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TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     iPhone vs Android comparison: does Android haveJul 26 06:49
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | iPhone vs Android comparison: does Android have the edge? | Tux MachinesJul 26 06:49
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oiaohmhttp://developer.amd.com/community/blog/2015/07/15/collaboration-and-open-source-at-amd-libreoffice/  This is impressive speed boostJul 26 08:20
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-developer.amd.com | Collaboration and Open Source at AMD: LibreOffice - AMD [ http://ur1.ca/n9mw2 ]Jul 26 08:20
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.gamingonlinux.com | Volo Airsport, An Air Gliding Game Released For Linux, We Have Keys To Throw At You | GamingOnLinuxJul 26 08:30
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-dot.kde.org | Akademy Talks Day 1 | KDE.newsJul 26 08:30
TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     iPhone vs Android comparison: does Android haveJul 26 08:30
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.androidpit.com | iPhone vs Android comparison: does Android have the edge? - AndroidPITJul 26 08:30
cubexyzahJul 26 08:31
cubexyzfinallyJul 26 08:31
cubexyzoiaohm, managed to get the serial term working :)Jul 26 08:32
cubexyzI need something better than minicom thoughJul 26 08:34
cubexyznow if X messes up, and the text console messes up, I should be able to still get inJul 26 08:37
oiaohmI found out why kdm was not working too well.  Turns out I was running way way too much testing.Jul 26 08:38
oiaohmcubexyz: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Simple_Desktop_Display_Manager  past a particular point on KDE you are meant to swap to this.Jul 26 08:39
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-en.wikipedia.org | Simple Desktop Display Manager - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia [ http://ur1.ca/n9nee ]Jul 26 08:39
cubexyzoiaohm, kdm keeps running Jul 26 08:44
cubexyznot sure what you meanJul 26 08:44
oiaohmafter reboot I was having 1 in 3 failures to start of KDM.Jul 26 08:45
oiaohmcubexyz: yes it was still running some of the time.Jul 26 08:45
cubexyzah there we goJul 26 08:47
cubexyzminicom -o Jul 26 08:47
cubexyzexcept xsetroot generates an errorJul 26 08:48
cubexyzthis should also work even if the router failsJul 26 08:50
oiaohmrunning from a serial you most likely did not have a X11 display value.Jul 26 08:56
oiaohmcubexyz: I would guess with xsetrootJul 26 08:56
cubexyzI need to make a smarter scriptJul 26 08:57
oiaohmI know that feeling.Jul 26 08:57
oiaohmThe fun of making a script to do a conditional backup and complain only if only 1 of the backup drives was not installed was fun.Jul 26 08:58
oiaohmOppsJul 26 08:58
oiaohmOnly complain if more than 1 of the backup drivers was not installed.Jul 26 08:59
cubexyzsame with running X11 programs on the serial portJul 26 08:59
cubexyzbut I guess an error is normal thenJul 26 08:59
oiaohmDisplay value with x11 can be fun to mess with the existing interface from the serial point.Jul 26 09:00
cubexyza really smart program would just switch into text mode when necessaryJul 26 09:00
oiaohmCan be a great prank.Jul 26 09:00
oiaohmcubexyz: http://archive.oreilly.com/pub/h/4441  it is possible to render X11 output as ascii art.Jul 26 09:02
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-archive.oreilly.com | Watch Videos in ASCII ArtJul 26 09:02
cubexyzI can't even remember why xsetroot is in .profileJul 26 09:04
oiaohmI would have to see the command line but it adjust X11 settings.Jul 26 09:07
cubexyzwhy did the kde people write kdm?Jul 26 09:07
cubexyzthere was already xdmJul 26 09:08
oiaohmTo be trueful feature wise xdm is very lean on.Jul 26 09:10
oiaohmhttps://github.com/sddm/sddmJul 26 09:11
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-github.com | sddm/sddm · GitHubJul 26 09:11
oiaohmkdm and sddm its replacement support way more complete theming cubexyzJul 26 09:11
cubexyzis that a KDE 5 thing?Jul 26 09:12
oiaohmsddm becomes KDE5 preferd dm but sddm is also used by lxqt projectJul 26 09:14
oiaohmcubexyz: basically I had too much KDE5 installed for KDM to work correctly any more.Jul 26 09:15
oiaohmsddm is cleaner at being pure pure QT where KDM uses kde particular libraries.Jul 26 09:16
schestowitzhttps://twitter.com/mellenoweth/status/625294017580953600   https://twitter.com/matthewstinar/status/625294301593899008Jul 26 09:20
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@mellenoweth: @schestowitz winning hearts and minds !Jul 26 09:20
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@matthewstinar: @schestowitz Android is less closed & runs on more hardware. Google spends less resources attacking good things & supports open source.Jul 26 09:20
oiaohmcubexyz: KDE 5 does not have kdm any more either.  Jul 26 09:20
oiaohmschestowitz: not exactly there is more to android being open source.  Name the most dominate phone OS before Android.Jul 26 09:21
oiaohmschestowitz: the answer is Symbian and why it was so popular is it source code got stolen.Jul 26 09:23
oiaohmschestowitz: The issue here is USA trade restrictions.Jul 26 09:23
cubexyznow I'm wondering what they did before X11R3Jul 26 09:24
cubexyzsince xdm started with X11R3Jul 26 09:25
cubexyzmaybe you just logged in then started XJul 26 09:28
oiaohmcubexyz: startxJul 26 09:29
oiaohmYes that is the horible reality of X11 is that core design does not have a clue about a display manager.Jul 26 09:30
cubexyzoiaohm, no need for startxJul 26 09:32
cubexyzxinit /usr/bin/whatever-wmJul 26 09:32
oiaohmcubexyz: go far enough back there is no xinitJul 26 09:33
schestowitzhttps://twitter.com/mellenoweth/status/625296915664629760Jul 26 09:33
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@mellenoweth: @schestowitz they came for the chronically sick and disabled...Jul 26 09:33
cubexyzstartx is just a bourne shell script is it not?Jul 26 09:34
cubexyzxinit goes back pretty farJul 26 09:35
oiaohmthese days.Jul 26 09:35
oiaohmit a script.Jul 26 09:35
oiaohmcubexyz: its horible,  At first startx then xinit then xinit and startx then dms.Jul 26 09:36
cubexyzwhat's dms?Jul 26 09:38
oiaohmcubexyz: dms I missed a mark dm's  being display managersJul 26 09:40
cubexyzoh :)Jul 26 09:40
oiaohmsddm in fact support wayland.Jul 26 09:41
schestowitzhttps://twitter.com/FrankViewZ/status/625300113712410629Jul 26 09:44
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@FrankViewZ: @schestowitz Looks like the State is on verge of taking control of drones from ordinary people by this scaremongering !!Jul 26 09:44
schestowitzMonopolising them like radio frequenciesJul 26 09:44
cubexyzoiaohm, I've thought about porting the old xwm.c to modern X11Jul 26 09:48
cubexyzor xwm ratherJul 26 09:48
cubexyzthere's no xwm.c I don't thinkJul 26 09:49
cubexyzbut tinywm is about 50 lines so it's the smallest by farJul 26 09:51
msb_.Jul 26 09:53
msb_XRevan86: MinceR: New Eurasian+ alliance counters US fascist empire!  http://www.commondreams.org/views/2015/07/23/eurasian-big-bang-how-china-and-russia-are-running-rings-around-washingtonJul 26 09:55
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.commondreams.org | The Eurasian Big Bang: How China and Russia Are Running Rings Around Washington | Common Dreams | Breaking News & Views for the Progressive Community [ http://ur1.ca/n9oqm ]Jul 26 09:55
msb_http://www.tomdispatch.com/post/176026/tomgram%3A_pepe_escobar%2C_the_pivot_to_eurasia/Jul 26 09:56
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tomdispatch.com | Tomgram: Pepe Escobar, The Pivot to Eurasia | TomDispatch [ http://ur1.ca/n9oqr ]Jul 26 09:56
msb_(same article)Jul 26 09:56
schestowitzmy site is downJul 26 09:57
schestowitzI think the server is kaputJul 26 09:57
schestowitz blueberry has been down for nearly a third of a day now. Can't access mail to check response to ticket. ETA? No status updates. They're not indicating even it'll come back online :-/Jul 26 09:57
schestowitzFuck, I know what happened nowJul 26 10:17
schestowitz> Hi Roy,Jul 26 10:17
schestowitz>Jul 26 10:17
schestowitz> There are unpaid invoices on the billing account for schestowitz.com so it is suspended.Jul 26 10:17
schestowitz>Jul 26 10:17
schestowitz> The billing login area is here billing.catalyst2.com/clientarea.phpJul 26 10:17
schestowitz>Jul 26 10:17
schestowitz> If you do not have login information for this area please can I have the full postal address that we have on the billing account so I am authorised to make account changes.Jul 26 10:17
schestowitz>Jul 26 10:17
schestowitzHi,Jul 26 10:17
schestowitzI have just spoken to Tom, after my site and all my E-mail accounts (not just mine) had been suspended for 12 hours, meaning that I could not read your reply until now, either. It turns out there was a cockup as Catalyst2 did not configure the accounts correctly after a migration that we were not even told about, so we never got sent any bills and my main site, therefore, got suspended for 12 hours. My home hub's IP address also got banned Jul 26 10:17
schestowitzby the firewall for some reasons (maybe related to this suspension), leaving me baffled and unable to know what was happening until I phoned up.Jul 26 10:17
schestowitzThis is the first such major cockup after 12 years with the company. I hope you can make up for that one way or another...Jul 26 10:18
schestowitzRegards,Jul 26 10:18
schestowitzRoyJul 26 10:18
schestowitz> Hi RoyJul 26 10:26
schestowitz>Jul 26 10:26
schestowitz> As I just confirmed on the phone now, I'm escalating the issue you had earlier today. This is the ticket for the problem.Jul 26 10:26
schestowitz>Jul 26 10:26
schestowitz> In the mean time, if you could login to the billing area and pay the outstanding invoice that would be appreciated. Jul 26 10:26
schestowitz> Hi RoyJul 26 10:26
schestowitz>Jul 26 10:26
schestowitz> Furthering my previous email, once you've logged into the new billing area and paid any outstanding invoices, you can also save your credit card details for future transactions on this page: https://billing.catalyst2.com/clientarea.php?action=creditcardJul 26 10:26
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-billing.catalyst2.com | Client Area - Catalyst2 Services Ltd [ http://ur1.ca/n9p05 ]Jul 26 10:26
schestowitz>Jul 26 10:26
schestowitz> As part of the transfer to the new system we were unable to transfer your card details across.Jul 26 10:26
schestowitz>Jul 26 10:26
schestowitz> As compensation for the issue you had with the billing transfer, we've credited your account with one month's hosting.Jul 26 10:26
schestowitzIn my billing there's one bill for "Late Fee (Added 26/06/2015)" - for bills that I never received... nor had any access to. Can that Late Fee (penalty I assume) please be removed and some form of compensation added to the account? Like I said, there's nothing that we did wrong in this case. We didn't even get contacted before the suspension. It was only us contacting the company after 12 hours of downtime (mail and site).Jul 26 10:26
schestowitzWow..Jul 26 10:26
schestowitztotal fuckupJul 26 10:26
schestowitz> Hi RoyJul 26 10:38
schestowitz>Jul 26 10:38
schestowitz> Once again, please accept our apologies for this. I've removed the late fee for you now and the compensation mentioned in the previous email has been credited to your account already.Jul 26 10:38
schestowitz>Jul 26 10:38
schestowitz> Any issues, let us know.Jul 26 10:38
schestowitz>Jul 26 10:38
schestowitz> Kind regardsJul 26 10:38
schestowitzHi,Jul 26 10:38
schestowitzI refreshed, but the late fee was still there. I also logged out and back in again and it's still there. This is proving to be time-consuming (the whole thing), set aside downtime and problems due to no access to essential E-mails (my wife's also).Jul 26 10:38
schestowitz> Hi RoyJul 26 10:48
schestowitz>Jul 26 10:48
schestowitz> I can't see that the late fee is still there for any of your invoices. The total balance due should be £310.79 - that's with the late fees removed.Jul 26 10:48
schestowitz>Jul 26 10:48
schestowitz> I appreciate that this hasn't been an ideal transfer for yourself, however this is just a one-off event as we transfer you. Once you're setup with the new billing area, you should not have any future issues.Jul 26 10:48
schestowitz>Jul 26 10:48
schestowitz> Kind regardsJul 26 10:48
schestowitzThe late fee is still definitely there, both in the panel and when I click pay all. Invoice # 133378. It just lost its Description and now it says "INV021539" instead of late fee. Also, when attempting to pay, I no longer see the credit paying accounted for, so basically there is no compensation for all the trouble and I still need to pay a late fee on bills that I never received or had access to. Please can you rectify so that I can pay? I'Jul 26 10:48
schestowitzve already lost many hours today (not just site visitors, who thought I got "suspended", which is embarrassing) due to all these issues.Jul 26 10:48
schestowitzhttps://twitter.com/catalyst2/status/625306791472164865Jul 26 10:49
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@catalyst2: @schestowitz it appears to be as you have invoices overdue on your account. Do you have the details to login?Jul 26 10:49
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schestowitzso they just gave compensation:Jul 26 11:12
schestowitz> Hi RoyJul 26 11:12
schestowitz>Jul 26 11:12
schestowitz> Let me clarify this.Jul 26 11:12
schestowitz>Jul 26 11:12
schestowitz> You have an invoice (number 133378) which was made up of two things:Jul 26 11:12
schestowitz> - £12.00 (for INV021539 - a reference from our OLD billing system)Jul 26 11:12
schestowitz> - £1.20 (a 10% late payment fee. I have removed this)Jul 26 11:12
schestowitz>Jul 26 11:12
schestowitz> The previous total was £13.20. It's now just £12.00 as I have removed the late payment fee.Jul 26 11:12
schestowitz>Jul 26 11:12
schestowitz> The reason there isn't a full description is because it's an invoice from our old billing system. In future, you'll see the full description of what is being invoiced - as you do for the other invoices. I have removed this invoice altogether for you, so there are just the two to pay.Jul 26 11:12
schestowitz>Jul 26 11:13
schestowitz> My apologies for the inconvenience caused. Jul 26 11:13
schestowitz>Jul 26 11:13
schestowitz> Kind regardsJul 26 11:13
schestowitzThank you, I have just made the payment.Jul 26 11:13
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schestowitzHi RoyJul 26 11:21
schestowitzMany thanks for making payment. I've just taken a look at the account and your credit card details have been successfully saved and so future invoices will be paid automatically, preventing this from happening again. Your email on the account is also now roy@schestowitz.com. If you wish to change this, you can do so from the new billing area.Jul 26 11:21
schestowitzOnce again, apologies for any inconvenience caused. Any issues, let us know.Jul 26 11:22
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.androidpit.com | What will the next Android version be called? Vote for your favorite Android M name now - AndroidPITJul 26 11:36
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schestowitzhttps://www.joindiaspora.com/posts/6389608Jul 26 13:46
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@harryhaller@nerdpol.ch: > ---- <strong> ![Avatar](https://nerdpol.ch/camo/8302cd6c55822406ab22d7a39b9ead65c5c880ae/68747470733a2f2f706f642e6f726b7a2e6e65742f75706c6f6164732f696d616765732f7468756d625f736d616c6c5f65663033336261626637363564396562633362302e6a7067) @{ maestro davincius ; maestro@pod.orkz.net} </strong><sup> [26/07/2015 18:30:20](/posts/8808ed3015e101332b4700163e5dbca2)</sup> > #fsf #openhardware #free-software #GNU #linux > Jul 26 13:46
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights--> www.phoronix.com | Purism Librem Laptops Remain Blobbed Up, Less Than Interesting - Phoronix [ http://ur1.ca/n9qr3 ]Jul 26 13:46
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schestowitzTony has emailed me several times. I think they will try to tackle these issues in the near future.Jul 26 13:46
schestowitz"Jul 26 13:47
schestowitzThe sad conclusion:Jul 26 13:47
schestowitzBut Todd swoops in, raises at least half a million dollars, and convinces lots of people that free systems with modern Intel hardware are not only possible but forthcoming. I imagine real efforts to make free systems will be met with more criticism than ever (or skepticism among anyone who realizes that Purism can’t fulfill their promises).Jul 26 13:47
schestowitz"Jul 26 13:47
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schestowitzhttps://joindiaspora.com/posts/6388740Jul 26 14:12
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: #investorplace helps people make money from #war http://investorplace.com/2015/07/war-stocks-to-buy-ktos-cvu/ "Stocks to Buy for the Future of Warfare. War isn't going anywhere"Jul 26 14:12
schestowitz"War is unfortunate but would be even unfortunate being the only ones not profiting of it, wouldn’t be?"Jul 26 14:12
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights--> investorplace.com | 2 Stocks to Buy for the Future of Warfare(KTOS, CVU) | InvestorPlace [ http://ur1.ca/n9qzm ]Jul 26 14:12
schestowitzThat's a psychopath's way of looking at itJul 26 14:13
schestowitzhttps://joindiaspora.com/posts/6388756Jul 26 14:13
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: "ISIS youth" https://www.foreignaffairs.com/articles/2015-07-21/cubs-caliphate like the West doesn't do military-like activities for children... #propaganda starts early.Jul 26 14:13
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights--> www.foreignaffairs.com | Mia Bloom | The Children of ISIS [ http://ur1.ca/n9r01 ]Jul 26 14:13
schestowitz"Jul 26 14:13
schestowitzYou can tell a totalitarian and brutal state when it targets kids for political or military purposes. Like this:Jul 26 14:13
schestowitzhttps://www.nsa.gov/kids/Jul 26 14:13
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.nsa.gov | CryptoKids® America's Future Codemakers & CodebreakersJul 26 14:13
schestowitz"Jul 26 14:13
schestowitzhttps://joindiaspora.com/posts/6387805Jul 26 14:14
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: Libyan war planes attack and sink a ship near BenghaziOp-Ed: Libyan war planes attack and sink a ship near #Benghazi http://www.digitaljournal.com/news/world/op-ed-libyan-war-planes-attack-and-sink-a-ship-near-benghazi/article/438881Jul 26 14:14
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights--> www.digitaljournal.com | Op-Ed: Libyan war planes attack and sink a ship near Benghazi [ http://ur1.ca/n9r0h ]Jul 26 14:14
schestowitz"Jul 26 14:14
schestowitz    CIA-linked General Khalifa HaftarJul 26 14:15
schestowitzHe’s a U.S. citizen.Jul 26 14:15
schestowitz"Jul 26 14:15
schestowitzhttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Khalifa_HaftarJul 26 14:15
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-en.wikipedia.org | Khalifa Haftar - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia [ http://ur1.ca/n9r0m ]Jul 26 14:15
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XRevan86Okay, mod_irc still sucks.Jul 26 14:31
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TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     Links 26/7/2015: Purism Librem and Freedom,Jul 26 14:33
TweetTuxMachines                 Akademy Updates http://t.co/B0LrKrbz1jJul 26 14:33
TweetTuxMachines                 (techrights.org)Jul 26 14:33
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Links 26/7/2015: Purism Librem and Freedom, Akademy Updates | TechrightsJul 26 14:33
TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     IRC Proceedings: July 12th, 2015 – July 25th,Jul 26 14:33
TweetTuxMachines                 2015Jul 26 14:33
TweetTuxMachines                  http://t.co/OIaNqsCQin (techrights.org)Jul 26 14:33
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | IRC Proceedings: July 12th, 2015 – July 25th, 2015 | TechrightsJul 26 14:33
TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     Plasma Mobile Media and Blog CoverageJul 26 14:38
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Plasma Mobile Media and Blog Coverage | Tux MachinesJul 26 14:38
TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     Leftovers: Gaming http://t.co/ll49w5hU3PJul 26 14:38
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Leftovers: Gaming | Tux MachinesJul 26 14:38
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TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     Leftovers: Software http://t.co/5FtWdfN4DQJul 26 14:38
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Leftovers: Software | Tux MachinesJul 26 14:38
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TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     today's howtos http://t.co/TAAZFp0KJAJul 26 14:39
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | today's howtos | Tux MachinesJul 26 14:39
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msb_http://www.digitaljournal.com/news/world/op-ed-libyan-war-planes-attack-and-sink-a-ship-near-benghazi/article/438881Jul 26 15:07
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.digitaljournal.com | Op-Ed: Libyan war planes attack and sink a ship near Benghazi [ http://ur1.ca/n9r0h ]Jul 26 15:07
msb_This is the govt that the US installed in Libya after it murdered socialist Gaddafi who had given the people the highest standard of living in Africa.  Now the nation is destroyed and the people are living in poverty.   Thanks to Barack Obama.Jul 26 15:09
msb_The Western press never mentions that event.Jul 26 15:10
msb_This was Libya:  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aJURNC0e6EkJul 26 15:12
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msb_Gaddafi proposed selling oil for other currencies than US dollars.  That would have messed up the US economy, which by now is based on nothing but debt and fear of its military.  So the US had him murdered, and his nation destroyed.Jul 26 15:28
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TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     today's leftovers http://t.co/PDh2M16NNsJul 26 17:44
TweetTuxMachines                 (www.tuxmachines.org)Jul 26 17:44
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | today's leftovers | Tux MachinesJul 26 17:44
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TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     Today in Techrights http://t.co/iStK5yrwEcJul 26 17:44
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Today in Techrights | Tux MachinesJul 26 17:44
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TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     Today in Techrights http://t.co/pHOVgMpNHoJul 26 17:44
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TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     The Penguin or the Egg: How To IncreaseJul 26 18:42
TweetTuxMachines                 Adoption Of Desktop LinuxJul 26 18:42
TweetTuxMachines                 http://t.co/IuRy8QTBi6 (www.tuxmachines.org)Jul 26 18:42
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | The Penguin or the Egg: How To Increase Adoption Of Desktop Linux | Tux MachinesJul 26 18:42
TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     Ubuntu MATE Is Dropping Ubuntu Software CenterJul 26 18:42
TweetTuxMachines                 http://t.co/lwz5QkCIQH (www.tuxmachines.org)Jul 26 18:42
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Ubuntu MATE Is Dropping Ubuntu Software Center | Tux MachinesJul 26 18:42
TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     Linux 4.2-rc4 http://t.co/0KLlfttGsYJul 26 18:43
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Linux 4.2-rc4 | Tux MachinesJul 26 18:43
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schestowitzhttps://twitter.com/petrock/status/625439812615442432Jul 26 18:58
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@petrock: @schestowitz The author says Skype is still the best option for video chat on GNU/Linux. I wonder if he has tried Firefox Hello.Jul 26 18:58
schestowitzI guess the author does not care about freedom or privacy, that's why we need to call it GNUJul 26 18:59
TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     The Penguin or the Egg: How To IncreaseJul 26 19:12
TweetTuxMachines                 Adoption Of Desktop LinuxJul 26 19:12
TweetTuxMachines                 http://t.co/UrAL41hGFK (www.maximumpc.com)Jul 26 19:12
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.maximumpc.com | The Penguin or the Egg: How To Increase Adoption Of Desktop Linux - Maximum PCJul 26 19:12
TweetTuxMachines........................................  http://ur1.ca/n9tjfJul 26 19:12
TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     Ubuntu MATE Is Dropping Ubuntu Software CenterJul 26 19:12
TweetTuxMachines                 http://t.co/UjrrhaykhT (news.softpedia.com)Jul 26 19:12
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-news.softpedia.com | Ubuntu MATE Is Dropping Ubuntu Software Center - SoftpediaJul 26 19:12
TweetTuxMachines........................................  http://ur1.ca/n9tjgJul 26 19:12
TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     Linux 4.2-rc4 https://t.co/DvvnTap7UAJul 26 19:12
TweetTuxMachines                 (lkml.org)Jul 26 19:12
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-lkml.org | LKML: Linus Torvalds: Linux 4.2-rc4Jul 26 19:12
TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     See How Your Linux System Stacks Up To 15 GPUsJul 26 19:26
TweetTuxMachines                 For 1080p Gaming http://t.co/ySbK9w22oQJul 26 19:26
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.phoronix.com | See How Your Linux System Stacks Up To 15 GPUs For 1080p Gaming - PhoronixJul 26 19:26
TweetTuxMachines                 (www.phoronix.com)Jul 26 19:26
TweetTuxMachines........................................  http://ur1.ca/n9tnvJul 26 19:26
TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     Victor Vran Action RPG Is Now Available onJul 26 19:26
TweetTuxMachines                 Steam for LinuxJul 26 19:26
TweetTuxMachines                  http://t.co/Gdhw470s1d (linux.softpedia.com)Jul 26 19:26
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-linux.softpedia.com | Victor Vran Action RPG Is Now Available on Steam for Linux - SoftpediaJul 26 19:26
TweetTuxMachines........................................  http://ur1.ca/n9tnwJul 26 19:26
TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     GNOME Initial Setup Gets a Revamp with NewJul 26 19:27
TweetTuxMachines                 Functionality and BugfixesJul 26 19:27
TweetTuxMachines                 http://t.co/zLEwRYsdbT (linux.softpedia.com)Jul 26 19:27
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-linux.softpedia.com | GNOME Initial Setup Gets a Revamp with New Functionality and Bugfixes - SoftpediaJul 26 19:27
TweetTuxMachines........................................  http://ur1.ca/n9tnxJul 26 19:27
msb_.Jul 26 19:28
msb_https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zXkVGxLmlAAJul 26 19:28
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.youtube.com | Geoengineering Exposed At California Jam 2015 - YouTube [ http://ur1.ca/n9toj ]Jul 26 19:28
schestowitzhttps://twitter.com/FrancisJeffrey7/status/625448627633303553Jul 26 19:34
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@FrancisJeffrey7: @schestowitz (did I see an Owl?)Jul 26 19:34
schestowitzI used t use RSSOwl for a few years....Jul 26 19:34
TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     How to Update Linux Kernel for Improved SystemJul 26 19:42
TweetTuxMachines                 Performance http://t.co/YdpyrGnwiTJul 26 19:42
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.makeuseof.com | How to Update Linux Kernel for Improved System PerformanceJul 26 19:42
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TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     "The developers of the lightweight andJul 26 19:42
TweetTuxMachines                 user-friendly #Claws Mail... release of theJul 26 19:42
TweetTuxMachines                 major 3.12.0 version." http://t.co/0M1fYghz36Jul 26 19:42
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-news.softpedia.com | Claws Mail 3.12 Open Source Email Client Adds Dozens of New Features, Fixes 35 Bugs - SoftpediaJul 26 19:42
TweetTuxMachines                 (news.softpedia.com)Jul 26 19:42
TweetTuxMachines........................................  http://ur1.ca/n9tttJul 26 19:42
TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     Audio Programming with Open Source LanguagesJul 26 19:42
TweetTuxMachines                 http://t.co/rQrSAMKtpw (www.linuxlinks.com)Jul 26 19:42
TweetTuxMachines........................................  http://ur1.ca/n9ttuJul 26 19:42
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.linuxlinks.com | Audio Programming with Open Source Languages - Linux Links - The Linux Portal SiteJul 26 19:42
*TweetTuxMachines @DataVizAI favourited '"The developers of the lightweight and user-friendly #Claws...'Jul 26 20:27
TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     GNOME Initial Setup Gets a Revamp with NewJul 26 20:27
TweetTuxMachines                 Functionality and BugfixesJul 26 20:27
TweetTuxMachines                 http://t.co/9UK2rYZheT (www.tuxmachines.org)Jul 26 20:27
TweetTuxMachines........................................  http://ur1.ca/n9u9dJul 26 20:27
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | GNOME Initial Setup Gets a Revamp with New Functionality and Bugfixes | Tux MachinesJul 26 20:27
cubexyzright, Purism Librem Laptop is a bit of a bustJul 26 21:03
cubexyzthat's why I suggested getting a chromebox or chromebookJul 26 21:06
cubexyzit comes with coreboot installedJul 26 21:06
cubexyzyou could spent 20 years or more learning all the ins and outs of a given laptopJul 26 21:08
cubexyzplus the price of the Purism laptop was ridiculousJul 26 21:12
cubexyzthen you have the people at how-to geek telling people not to buy ARM based chromebooks!Jul 26 21:15
cubexyzactually I'm not at all sure about the status of coreboot on chromebooks with ARM cpuJul 26 21:20
cubexyzearly chromebooks a BIOS that was a reworked UEFI-based BIOSJul 26 21:26
cubexyz2nd gen was x86 used a combination of coreboot and u-bootJul 26 21:27
cubexyzso ARM-based samsung chromebooks use only U-boot, not corebootJul 26 21:28
cubexyzbut u-boot is FOSSJul 26 21:29
cubexyzmy advice is don't be scared to buy a ARM chromebookJul 26 21:29
cubexyzyes, it is true that flash plugin for firefox only works on x86Jul 26 21:30
cubexyzbut so whatJul 26 21:30
cubexyzI am always KOing libflashplayer.so anywaysJul 26 21:31
cubexyzhttp://www.denx.de/wiki/U-Boot/SourceCodeJul 26 21:32
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.denx.de | SourceCode < U-Boot < DENX [ http://ur1.ca/n9uvj ]Jul 26 21:32
cubexyzdo we have source code for libflashplayer.so? Of course notJul 26 21:33
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TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     How to Update Linux Kernel for Improved SystemJul 27 02:38
TweetTuxMachines                 Performance http://t.co/NwQ9s2SiDqJul 27 02:38
TweetTuxMachines                 (www.tuxmachines.org)Jul 27 02:38
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | How to Update Linux Kernel for Improved System Performance | Tux MachinesJul 27 02:38
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DuraivkHi RoomJul 27 02:39
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schestowitz> Roy,Jul 27 03:23
schestowitz>Jul 27 03:23
schestowitz> We've also posted this page:Jul 27 03:23
schestowitz> https://puri.sm/road-to-fsf-ryf-endorsement-and-beyond/Jul 27 03:23
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-SSL connect error ( status 0 @ https://puri.sm/road-to-fsf-ryf-endorsement-and-beyond/ )Jul 27 03:23
schestowitz>Jul 27 03:23
schestowitz> Which gives a graphical representation of our road to FSF RYFJul 27 03:23
schestowitz> endorsement. Which before was so strewn about it took some digging toJul 27 03:23
schestowitz> get to it all.Jul 27 03:23
schestowitz>Jul 27 03:23
schestowitz> Let me know if that is clear to you, and if so, it should suffice.Jul 27 03:23
schestowitz>Jul 27 03:23
schestowitz> Thanks so much Roy!Jul 27 03:23
schestowitzAs I predicated, and that's why I forewarned, Phoronix did some negative coverage. There might be more coming (don't know where from), but I think Phoronix based it on libreboot folks.Jul 27 03:23
schestowitzhttps://twitter.com/VisibilityShift/status/625527344841621504Jul 27 03:25
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@VisibilityShift: @schestowitz #Puri_sm is not just working on it -- we are fully committed to liberating the BIOS. https://t.co/HVmmpCPPdwJul 27 03:25
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-SSL connect error ( status 0 @ https://puri.sm/posts/road-to-fsf-ryf-endorsement-and-beyond/ )Jul 27 03:25
schestowitzhttps://twitter.com/andygmz2000/status/625569194298490881Jul 27 03:35
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-No status found with that ID.Jul 27 03:35
schestowitzhttps://twitter.com/andygmz2000/status/625569194298490881Jul 27 03:35
TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     Samsung And Red Hat Team Up To ProvideJul 27 04:28
TweetTuxMachines                 Enterprise Software SolutionsJul 27 04:28
TweetTuxMachines                 http://t.co/HWhqHC33u3 (www.tuxmachines.org)Jul 27 04:28
TweetTuxMachines........................................  http://ur1.ca/n9xy3Jul 27 04:28
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Samsung And Red Hat Team Up To Provide Enterprise Software Solutions | Tux MachinesJul 27 04:28
TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     Claws Mail 3.12 Open-Source Email Client AddsJul 27 04:28
TweetTuxMachines                 Dozens of New Features, Fixes 35 BugsJul 27 04:28
TweetTuxMachines                 http://t.co/t3q03y7Fld (www.tuxmachines.org)Jul 27 04:28
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Claws Mail 3.12 Open-Source Email Client Adds Dozens of New Features, Fixes 35 Bugs | Tux MachinesJul 27 04:28
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TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     Ubuntu defibrillates 14.10 for one LAST patchJul 27 05:56
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Ubuntu defibrillates 14.10 for one LAST patch | Tux MachinesJul 27 05:56
TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     Android Maintains Grip on France's SmartphoneJul 27 05:56
TweetTuxMachines                 Market http://t.co/mlYn20GFTtJul 27 05:56
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Android Maintains Grip on France's Smartphone Market | Tux MachinesJul 27 05:56
TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     Should You Be Buying an Ubuntu Phone Right Now?Jul 27 05:56
TweetTuxMachines                 http://t.co/a9MEUzqQUz (www.tuxmachines.org)Jul 27 05:56
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Should You Be Buying an Ubuntu Phone Right Now? | Tux MachinesJul 27 05:56
TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     Today in Techrights http://t.co/nrqb1UNurPJul 27 06:29
TweetTuxMachines                 (www.tuxmachines.org)Jul 27 06:29
TweetTuxMachines........................................  http://ur1.ca/n9yrqJul 27 06:29
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Today in Techrights | Tux MachinesJul 27 06:29
TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     Ubuntu defibrillates 14.10 for one LAST patchJul 27 06:29
TweetTuxMachines                 http://t.co/94uunxswkY (www.theregister.co.uk)Jul 27 06:29
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.theregister.co.uk | Ubuntu defibrillates 14.10 for one LAST patch • The RegisterJul 27 06:29
TweetTuxMachines........................................  http://ur1.ca/n9yrrJul 27 06:29
TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     NVIDIA shows some Tegra Note 7 love withJul 27 06:29
TweetTuxMachines                 Android 5.1 http://t.co/8t0S6TkX36Jul 27 06:29
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.slashgear.com | NVIDIA shows some Tegra Note 7 love with Android 5.1 - SlashGearJul 27 06:29
TweetTuxMachines                 (www.slashgear.com)Jul 27 06:29
TweetTuxMachines........................................  http://ur1.ca/n9yrsJul 27 06:29
TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     Should You Be Buying an Ubuntu Phone Right Now?Jul 27 06:33
TweetTuxMachines                 http://t.co/MxTQ32qRya (news.softpedia.com)Jul 27 06:33
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-news.softpedia.com | Should You Be Buying an Ubuntu Phone Right Now? - SoftpediaJul 27 06:33
TweetTuxMachines........................................  http://ur1.ca/n9yspJul 27 06:33
TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     Android Maintains Grip on France's SmartphoneJul 27 06:33
TweetTuxMachines                 Market http://t.co/MxTQ32qRyaJul 27 06:33
TweetTuxMachines                 (news.softpedia.com)Jul 27 06:33
TweetTuxMachines........................................  http://ur1.ca/n9ysqJul 27 06:33
TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     Samsung And Red Hat Team Up To ProvideJul 27 06:33
TweetTuxMachines                 Enterprise Software SolutionsJul 27 06:33
TweetTuxMachines                 http://t.co/E9i7FzGojR (www.droidreport.com)Jul 27 06:33
TweetTuxMachines........................................  http://ur1.ca/n9ysrJul 27 06:33
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.droidreport.com | Samsung And Red Hat Team Up To Provide Enterprise Software SolutionsJul 27 06:33
TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     Mesa 3D Graphics Library 10.6.3 Fixes ManyJul 27 06:35
TweetTuxMachines                 Issues in the Nouveau Video DriverJul 27 06:35
TweetTuxMachines                 http://t.co/OrE9JZG2Gp (news.softpedia.com)Jul 27 06:35
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-news.softpedia.com | Mesa 3D Graphics Library 10.6.3 Fixes Many Issues in the Nouveau Video Driver - SoftpediaJul 27 06:35
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TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     Debian GNU/Linux No Longer Supports the SPARCJul 27 06:35
TweetTuxMachines                 Hardware Architecture http://t.co/rbtG4AWAAvJul 27 06:35
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-linux.softpedia.com | Debian GNU/Linux No Longer Supports the SPARC Hardware Architecture - SoftpediaJul 27 06:35
TweetTuxMachines                 (linux.softpedia.com)Jul 27 06:35
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TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     ExLight Linux Live DVD 64 bit withJul 27 06:35
TweetTuxMachines                 Enlightenment 0.19.7 and kernel 4.0.0-4-extonJul 27 06:35
TweetTuxMachines                 https://t.co/wUh69agtRlJul 27 06:35
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-extonlinux.wordpress.com | ExLight Linux Live DVD 64 bit with Enlightenment 0.19.7 and kernel 4.0.0-4-exton | Exton's International BlogJul 27 06:35
TweetTuxMachines                 (extonlinux.wordpress.com)Jul 27 06:35
TweetTuxMachines........................................  http://ur1.ca/n9ythJul 27 06:35
TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     Manjaro Linux Needs Your Help, Here's How YouJul 27 06:36
TweetTuxMachines                 Can Contribute http://t.co/SXRQa8AkSvJul 27 06:36
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-news.softpedia.com | Manjaro Linux Needs Your Help, Here's How You Can Contribute - Updated - SoftpediaJul 27 06:36
TweetTuxMachines                 (news.softpedia.com)Jul 27 06:36
TweetTuxMachines........................................  http://ur1.ca/n9ytqJul 27 06:36
*TweetTuxMachines @LukeVizzicks retweeted @tuxmachines: 'Mesa 3D Graphics Library 10.6.3 Fixes Many Issues...'Jul 27 06:36
TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     Enlightenment 0.19.7 Desktop EnvironmentJul 27 06:45
TweetTuxMachines                 Improves X11 Compatibility with Older EFLsJul 27 06:45
TweetTuxMachines                 http://t.co/NeyQOxophd (linux.softpedia.com)Jul 27 06:45
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-linux.softpedia.com | Enlightenment 0.19.7 Desktop Environment Improves X11 Compatibility with Older EFLs - SoftpediaJul 27 06:45
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*TweetTuxMachines @schestowitz retweeted @tuxmachines: 'Today in Techrights http://t.co/nrqb1UNurP'Jul 27 06:45
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Today in Techrights | Tux MachinesJul 27 06:45
TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     How is Firefox OS Different from Android, iOS,Jul 27 06:45
TweetTuxMachines                 Windows Phone and Ubuntu TouchJul 27 06:45
TweetTuxMachines                 http://t.co/7RSIZORdoz (fossbytes.com)Jul 27 06:45
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-fossbytes.com | How is Firefox OS Different from Android, iOS, Windows Phone and Ubuntu TouchJul 27 06:45
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schestowitzI am trying to buy stickers, but "The page you requested cannot be found!" is what I always get when adding to cartJul 27 06:52
schestowitzLinux stickersJul 27 06:52
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schestowitzhttps://twitter.com/unixstickers/status/625620786544517120Jul 27 07:05
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@unixstickers: @schestowitz everything is working correctly from our tests and we are unable to reproduce this error, can you please try again?Jul 27 07:05
schestowitzI think I can see what the issue is. The site requires JS to work, and runs JS on my PC from SEVEN different domains.Jul 27 07:06
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schestowitzhttps://joindiaspora.com/posts/6389849Jul 27 07:21
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: "Nintendo discovered it needs users to click "OK" to something..." https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2lupgHYiK9Q #blackmail by bricking consoles until "OK" pressedJul 27 07:21
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*TweetTuxMachines @tokvbok retweeted @tuxmachines: 'Should You Be Buying an Ubuntu Phone Right...'Jul 27 07:41
TweetTuxMachines@maxdan94        OTA: Shell rotation is with us! #UbuntuPhoneJul 27 07:41
TweetTuxMachines                 @tuxmachines @JamalPeter @M_MKTLines @rboeseJul 27 07:41
TweetTuxMachines                 @schestowitz @aman_devy @ajaxdudeJul 27 07:41
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TweetTuxMachines@LindsworthDeer  @tuxmachines Samsung sells 1 million TizenJul 27 09:22
TweetTuxMachines                 smartphones while seeking Developers Jul 27 09:22
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.geezam.com | Samsung sells 1 million Tizen smartphones while seeking DevelopersJul 27 09:22
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TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     Apple Watch and Android compatibility: ShouldJul 27 09:22
TweetTuxMachines                 it happen? http://t.co/yp62lXZ1YQJul 27 09:22
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Apple Watch and Android compatibility: Should it happen? | Tux MachinesJul 27 09:22
TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     NVIDIA shows some Tegra Note 7 love withJul 27 09:22
TweetTuxMachines                 Android 5.1 http://t.co/gYxH8Tln0mJul 27 09:22
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | NVIDIA shows some Tegra Note 7 love with Android 5.1 | Tux MachinesJul 27 09:22
TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     Eating our own dog food in open sourceJul 27 09:22
TweetTuxMachines                 http://t.co/IsPliLr4ZE (www.tuxmachines.org)Jul 27 09:22
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Eating our own dog food in open source | Tux MachinesJul 27 09:22
TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     Today in Techrights http://t.co/RjilVXvLQNJul 27 09:22
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Today in Techrights | Tux MachinesJul 27 09:22
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schestowitzhttps://twitter.com/readergordonbp/status/625642488666148864Jul 27 11:51
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@readergordonbp: @schestowitz I have first-hand experience...(typed from Linux Mint)Jul 27 11:51
schestowitzhttps://twitter.com/CandidCanon/status/625661552033566720Jul 27 11:51
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@CandidCanon: @schestowitz http://t.co/CCwzppOeYG Android Patents and the Linux world...Jul 27 11:51
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights--> techrights.org | Patents in the Android World Further Complicate Freedom in This Linux-Powered Platform | TechrightsJul 27 11:51
schestowitzhttps://twitter.com/SleepyPenguin1/status/625683976024399872Jul 27 11:51
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@SleepyPenguin1: Why Chrysler's car hack 'fix' is staggeringly stupid @ruskin147 @schestowitz http://t.co/Lvw44i7375Jul 27 11:51
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights--> www.zdnet.com | Why Chrysler's car hack 'fix' is staggeringly stupid | ZDNetJul 27 11:51
schestowitzhttps://twitter.com/SleepyPenguin1/status/625611719075885056Jul 27 11:53
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@SleepyPenguin1: The Windows advantage @ruskin147 https://t.co/g3AGStcpViJul 27 11:53
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz: If #microsoft manages to push many #windows users to #vista10 (even if by removing price tag), it won't be a success. Admission of defeat.Jul 27 11:53
cubexyzchurnalists, that's a new oneJul 27 11:56
cubexyzjournalists that advocate software churn?Jul 27 11:57
cubexyzah, I see now, there's a wikipedia entry for itJul 27 11:58
TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     Phoronix on Graphics http://t.co/9t96SNsB0WJul 27 12:02
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Phoronix on Graphics | Tux MachinesJul 27 12:02
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schestowitzhttps://twitter.com/FrancisJeffrey7/status/625696858246094848Jul 27 12:10
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@FrancisJeffrey7: @schestowitz Further example of fundamental defects cited in-- http://t.co/wJj8aY9evBJul 27 12:10
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@cryptostorm_is: This is the single the best summation of 20 years of internet privacy & security progress we've read in... forever: https://t.co/65NfYSCaL6Jul 27 12:10
TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     AMD issues new Linux drivers Jul 27 12:14
TweetTuxMachines                 http://t.co/qPjGmtJFev (www.fudzilla.com)Jul 27 12:14
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.fudzilla.com | AMD issues new Linux driversJul 27 12:14
TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     Victor Vran Action RPG Is Now Available onJul 27 12:14
TweetTuxMachines                 Steam for LinuxJul 27 12:14
TweetTuxMachines                 http://t.co/Gdhw470s1d (linux.softpedia.com)Jul 27 12:14
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-linux.softpedia.com | Victor Vran Action RPG Is Now Available on Steam for Linux - SoftpediaJul 27 12:14
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TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     Meizu MX4 Ubuntu Edition Review - A Diamond inJul 27 12:14
TweetTuxMachines                 the Rough http://t.co/ypx30SUfOkJul 27 12:14
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-news.softpedia.com | Meizu MX4 Ubuntu Edition Review - A Diamond in the Rough - SoftpediaJul 27 12:14
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schestowitzhttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Niccol%C3%B2_MachiavelliJul 27 12:43
schestowitz""Machiavellianism" is a widely-used negative term to characterize unscrupulous politicians of the sort Machiavelli described in The Prince. The book itself gained enormous notoriety and wide readership because most readers assumed the author was teaching and endorsing evil and immoral behavior. Because of this, the term "Machiavellian" is often associated with deceit, deviousness, ambition, and brutality, although Machiavelli likely only Jul 27 12:43
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-en.wikipedia.org | Niccolò Machiavelli - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia [ http://ur1.ca/na1iw ]Jul 27 12:43
schestowitzused it as stylistic device to gain the reader's attention for his close analysis of the actual techniques used by rulers."Jul 27 12:43
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cubexyzI'll just use the word "Microsoftian" insteadJul 27 12:50
cubexyz"Please select which program you use for office documents: A] Microsoft Office 2000 B] Microsoft Office 97 C] Microsoft Office Pro D] Microsoft ... E] Microsoft ... F] Microsoft ... G] Microsoft ..."Jul 27 12:52
cubexyza 'Microsoftian' Choice Jul 27 12:52
MinceR:>Jul 27 12:53
MinceRwhat about 'microsoftesque'?Jul 27 12:53
cubexyzyes, that word has been used beforeJul 27 12:54
cubexyzI've had younge people tell me that they use microsoft everything so it's all compatible, e.g. microsoft mouse, microsoft keyboard etcJul 27 12:56
cubexyzalthough I do think things are improving slowlyJul 27 13:00
cubexyzit was over 10 years ago when I heard talk like thatJul 27 13:00
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TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     Meizu MX4 Ubuntu Edition Gets Big ImprovementJul 27 13:42
TweetTuxMachines                 for Battery http://t.co/xdrWmOIowrJul 27 13:42
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-news.softpedia.com | Meizu MX4 Ubuntu Edition Gets Big Improvement for Battery - SoftpediaJul 27 13:42
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TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     Manjaro Linux 0.8.13 Update with All the LatestJul 27 13:42
TweetTuxMachines                 Linux Kernels http://t.co/pGxIk937BiJul 27 13:42
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Manjaro Linux 0.8.13 Update with All the Latest Linux Kernels | Tux MachinesJul 27 13:42
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schestowitzhttps://joindiaspora.com/posts/6390734Jul 27 13:46
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: Today I heard from a #techrights reader (and Windows developer) who said he'd abandon #windows for #gnu #linux because of #vista10Jul 27 13:46
schestowitz"Jul 27 13:46
schestowitzWould have been better to abandon Windows for GNU//Linux because of freedom, but he still made a good move.Jul 27 13:46
schestowitzAlso,Windows 8 was really bad. Why not leave Windows due to that?Jul 27 13:46
schestowitz"Jul 27 13:46
TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     Next-gen Android One phone launches in IndiaJul 27 14:09
TweetTuxMachines                 for $176 http://t.co/u1TkjTNENVJul 27 14:09
TweetTuxMachines                 (www.tuxmachines.org)Jul 27 14:09
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Next-gen Android One phone launches in India for $176 | Tux MachinesJul 27 14:09
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TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     LG's got a flip phone that runs AndroidJul 27 14:09
TweetTuxMachines                 Lollipop http://t.co/UifrOGZMZ1Jul 27 14:09
TweetTuxMachines                 (www.tuxmachines.org)Jul 27 14:09
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | LG's got a flip phone that runs Android Lollipop | Tux MachinesJul 27 14:09
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TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     UK health service nurtures open sourceJul 27 14:10
TweetTuxMachines                 communities http://t.co/pcMC6ur0LnJul 27 14:10
TweetTuxMachines                 (www.tuxmachines.org)Jul 27 14:10
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | UK health service nurtures open source communities | Tux MachinesJul 27 14:10
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TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     The Companies That Support Linux: MariaDBJul 27 14:10
TweetTuxMachines                 http://t.co/B1JOvNLAwT (www.tuxmachines.org)Jul 27 14:10
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | The Companies That Support Linux: MariaDB | Tux MachinesJul 27 14:10
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TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     FreeBSD Making Progress With Their Linux BinaryJul 27 18:04
TweetTuxMachines                 Emulation & More http://t.co/xHXCPYJvbVJul 27 18:04
TweetTuxMachines                 (www.tuxmachines.org)Jul 27 18:04
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | FreeBSD Making Progress With Their Linux Binary Emulation & More | Tux MachinesJul 27 18:04
TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     Exton|OS Light Distro Brings Linux Kernel 4.0Jul 27 18:04
TweetTuxMachines                 and Openbox to Ubuntu 15.04Jul 27 18:04
TweetTuxMachines                 http://t.co/g54wtFVd6o (www.tuxmachines.org)Jul 27 18:04
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Exton|OS Light Distro Brings Linux Kernel 4.0 and Openbox to Ubuntu 15.04 | Tux MachinesJul 27 18:04
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schestowitzhttps://joindiaspora.com/posts/6393245Jul 27 18:05
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: #microsoft knew that Vista "was a pig" was was afraid of releasing it to the public while lying to the public http://betanews.com/2008/11/21/hurd-s-the-word-in-ballmer-s-e-mail-nightmares/Jul 27 18:05
schestowitz"Jul 27 18:05
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights--> betanews.com | Hurd's the word in Ballmer's e-mail nightmares [ http://ur1.ca/na3t7 ]Jul 27 18:06
schestowitzI like this comment, another case of people getting what deserved:Jul 27 18:06
schestowitz“but you have to remember that, at least some, users’ decision to get vista was as technical as “it looks pretty”. Many people equate the interface and the overall look of an OS to it being better.”Jul 27 18:06
schestowitzHaha!Jul 27 18:06
schestowitz"Jul 27 18:06
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MinceRhttp://www.breitbart.com/big-hollywood/2015/07/20/enough-entire-entertainment-industry-says-no-more-to-social-justice-warriors/Jul 27 20:02
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.breitbart.com | Entertainment Industry Says 'No More' to Social Justice Warriors [ http://ur1.ca/na4kh ]Jul 27 20:02
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TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     Mr. Robot TV Show Now Uses BackTrack Linux'sJul 27 20:42
TweetTuxMachines                 Successor, Kali Linux for HackingJul 27 20:42
TweetTuxMachines                 http://t.co/Q6rST8aISm (www.tuxmachines.org)Jul 27 20:42
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Mr. Robot TV Show Now Uses BackTrack Linux's Successor, Kali Linux for Hacking | Tux MachinesJul 27 20:42
TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     Major update in cauldron http://t.co/Upk5zsJgjxJul 27 20:42
TweetTuxMachines                 (mageia.nicolaslecureuil.fr)Jul 27 20:42
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-mageia.nicolaslecureuil.fr | Major update in cauldron | from a kde POVJul 27 20:42
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TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     Three months with a Chromebook computerJul 27 21:53
TweetTuxMachines                 http://t.co/R2XLgO828u (www.itworld.com)Jul 27 21:53
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.itworld.com | Three months with a Chromebook computer | ITworldJul 27 21:53
TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     LG's got a flip phone that runs AndroidJul 27 21:53
TweetTuxMachines                 Lollipop http://t.co/lNcsoO0Tm7Jul 27 21:53
TweetTuxMachines                 (www.engadget.com)Jul 27 21:53
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.engadget.com | LG's got a flip phone that runs Android LollipopJul 27 21:53
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TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     Next-gen Android One phone launches in IndiaJul 27 21:53
TweetTuxMachines                 for $176 http://t.co/OJM9EHl3eV (www.zdnet.com)Jul 27 21:53
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.zdnet.com | Next-gen Android One phone launches in India for $176 | ZDNetJul 27 21:53
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cubexyzok, got a bit of an oddball situation with IDE devicesJul 27 23:31
cubexyzI'd like to add a 5th IDE deviceJul 27 23:31
oiaohmExactly how is that odd.Jul 27 23:36
oiaohmPer sata port in one of my systems I have 5 drivesJul 27 23:36
oiaohmSome of those are a mix of sata and ide.Jul 27 23:36
oiaohmcubexyz: http://cplonline.com.au/internal-ide-to-sata-adaptor-ada-ide-sata.html?gclid=CP_K64nz_MYCFQxwvAodFA8EKwJul 27 23:38
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-cplonline.com.au | Internal IDE to SATA Adaptor - Biggest Range and Best Price | Computers & Parts Land [ http://ur1.ca/na5wb ]Jul 27 23:38
oiaohmcubexyz: This combind with a sata mulitpier and you could put 5 pata drives to 1 sata port. Jul 27 23:38
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oiaohmcubexyz: remember sata/pata drive based off spinning media cannot fill a sata ports transfer speed.    Yes stacking 5 of them onto a single port still puts less transfer load than using a solid state drive.Jul 27 23:43
cubexyzoiaohm, doesn't matterJul 27 23:46
cubexyzI don't have any SATA devicesJul 27 23:46
cubexyzcould a P3 benefit from using a SATA hard drive?Jul 27 23:47
cubexyzguess I'm well out of dateJul 27 23:48
oiaohmcubexyz: to be warped there is pata port on motherboard to sata convertors out there.Jul 27 23:48
oiaohmYes I have put a sata multiplier on those not for performance just because I could.Jul 27 23:49
oiaohmThe reality is that is getting hard to get pata drives cubexyzJul 27 23:49
cubexyzoiaohm, yes I stockpiled quite a few CDROM drivesJul 27 23:49
cubexyzdo they not make IDE devices at all now?Jul 27 23:50
oiaohmcubexyz: exactly why would you.Jul 27 23:50
cubexyzto keep my older computers workingJul 27 23:51
oiaohmThere is sata drive to pata as well as pata drive to sataJul 27 23:51
oiaohmconvertersJul 27 23:51
cubexyzoiaohm, same reason why I watch out for SCSI-1 hard drivesJul 27 23:51
cubexyzthe amiga 500 needs thoseJul 27 23:51
cubexyzI have an interesting in classic computingJul 27 23:52
cubexyzs/interesting/interest/Jul 27 23:52
oiaohmhttp://www.amazon.com/HDE-SATA-Drive-Interface-Adapter/dp/B002Y2NI4MJul 27 23:52
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.amazon.com | Amazon.com: HDE SATA to PATA/IDE Hard Drive Interface Adapter: Computers & Accessories [ http://ur1.ca/na5zl ]Jul 27 23:52
oiaohmcubexyz: this aboveJul 27 23:52
oiaohmThat takes a sata drive and turns it into a pata.Jul 27 23:52
oiaohmand there is fun products like this.  http://www.addonics.com/products/adsalvd160.phpJul 27 23:54
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.addonics.com | Addonics Product: SATA to SCSI Converter [ http://ur1.ca/na603 ]Jul 27 23:54
cubexyzlooks like canada computers doesn't have any IDE drives nowJul 27 23:54
oiaohmThat take a sata drives and turns them into scsi for old systems.Jul 27 23:55
oiaohmSo fairly much sata converted to everything.Jul 27 23:55
cubexyzhardly that oiaohm :)Jul 27 23:56
cubexyzfor one thing, there's no 50 pin connectorJul 27 23:56
cubexyzhopefully there's still lots of used drives kicking aroundJul 27 23:57
oiaohmNot really a issue.Jul 27 23:57
cubexyzI realize I'm a very atypical computer userJul 27 23:57
oiaohmThere is a scsi Lvd 160 to scsi 50 pin converter.Jul 27 23:57
oiaohmMost cases with a sata drive you need a max of 1 converter.Jul 27 23:57
oiaohmSome odd ball cases you need 2.Jul 27 23:57
oiaohmBigger issue is formating and size of drive.Jul 27 23:58
cubexyzlooks like ebay has a fair number of SCSI-1 hard drives Jul 27 23:58
oiaohmMostly old and buggered.Jul 27 23:59
oiaohmI work with alot of old systems Jul 27 23:59
oiaohmStupid enough to get like 40G drive new its go solid state.Jul 28 00:00
cubexyzI'd consider a plug-compatible SSD Jul 28 00:00
oiaohmNote I stated with sata ssd then adaptors.Jul 28 00:00
oiaohmcubexyz: http://www.ebay.com/itm/NEW-2014-SCA-80-to-50-68-PIN-ULTRA-SCSI-II-III-LVD-SE-ADAPTER-9866-/301462107251  I guess never seen these.Jul 28 00:02
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.ebay.com | New 2014 SCA 80 to 50 68 Pin Ultra SCSI II III LVD SE Adapter 9866 | eBay [ http://ur1.ca/na61o ]Jul 28 00:02
oiaohmBasically there is very little reason to be playing around with Sata 1 drives other than historic perfectionJul 28 00:03
cubexyzthere is one other considerationJul 28 00:03
oiaohmSo that sata to scsi converter + plus the last one.Jul 28 00:03
cubexyzthe amiga 500 has an external hard drive with it's own caseJul 28 00:03
oiaohmAdd in solid state that is down right small.Jul 28 00:04
oiaohmAnd all that fits perfectly.Jul 28 00:04
cubexyzso the new device must fit inside the caseJul 28 00:04
oiaohmYep no problemJul 28 00:04
oiaohm2.5 inch solid state driveJul 28 00:04
cubexyzok good :)Jul 28 00:04
oiaohmTons of room for the converters.Jul 28 00:04
oiaohmYes you can choose to use spinning media.Jul 28 00:05
cubexyzoiaohm, I have a quantum scsi-1 from 1990Jul 28 00:05
cubexyzstill works goodJul 28 00:05
cubexyzand another one from 1993Jul 28 00:05
cubexyzfor some reason those drives seemed to last a lot longerJul 28 00:06
oiaohmWould that be a bigfoot ie 5 1/2 inchJul 28 00:06
cubexyzno, 3.5"Jul 28 00:06
oiaohmI have a old scsi-1 quantum bigfoot that still works.Jul 28 00:06
amarsh04$ lsscsiJul 28 00:06
amarsh04[0:0:6:0]    disk    IBM      DCAS-34330W      S65A  /dev/sdaJul 28 00:06
amarsh041998 era 2 GB IBM SCSIJul 28 00:06
oiaohmamarsh04: the bigfoot is 250MegJul 28 00:07
amarsh04correction, 4GiBJul 28 00:07
amarsh04huge... (-:Jul 28 00:08
oiaohmYep compared to the big foot that is huge.Jul 28 00:08
cubexyzI think there was some limitation on the amiga 500 regarding the sizeJul 28 00:08
oiaohmBut also small.Jul 28 00:08
cubexyzcan't remember now exactlyJul 28 00:08
oiaohmcubexyz: that will be your biggest problem.Jul 28 00:08
amarsh04had opengl and vdpau fail on my radeon 3850HD video card, finally went back to the onboad video (radeon 3200HD) and it worked againJul 28 00:09
cubexyzI think I run the oldest stuff here :)Jul 28 00:09
amarsh04spent a long time looking for software issues firstJul 28 00:09
oiaohmcubexyz: http://www.idotpc.com/thestore/pc/SD-SATA-SD-Card-Reader-to-SATA-Adapter-p918.htmJul 28 00:09
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.idotpc.com | SD-SATA SD Card Reader to SATA Adapter [ http://ur1.ca/na634 ]Jul 28 00:09
oiaohmYes for some of your really old machines to use new turns insane.Jul 28 00:10
oiaohmSo SD to sata to get drive small enough in size then Sata to converter to get to right type.  Then maybe adapter to get to right plug size.Jul 28 00:10
cubexyzI think the limit was 4 gigs on the amigaJul 28 00:12
cubexyz32-bit limitJul 28 00:12
oiaohmYou hope soJul 28 00:13
cubexyzno, I'm reading what others have doneJul 28 00:13
cubexyzI'm reasonably sureJul 28 00:13
oiaohmSD you can still do 1G drivesJul 28 00:13
oiaohmYes a new SD with converters is still faster than the old drives back then.Jul 28 00:13
cubexyzI think that's just the partition limit thoughJul 28 00:14
cubexyzso maybe I could make a bunch of 4 gig partitionsJul 28 00:14
oiaohmcubexyz: http://www.tldp.org/HOWTO/Large-Disk-HOWTO-4.html  The historic limitsJul 28 00:16
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tldp.org | Large Disk HOWTO: History of BIOS and IDE limits [ http://ur1.ca/na64h ]Jul 28 00:16
oiaohmThe most horible that I currently don't have a solution using new is the 512Meg limit.Jul 28 00:16
oiaohmYes I can get around the 512meg limit but its a custom order.Jul 28 00:16
cubexyzoiaohm, that article seems to be limited to PCsJul 28 00:17
cubexyzit would be Amiga firmware in my caseJul 28 00:17
oiaohmIDE controllers all kinda had the same limits.Jul 28 00:17
cubexyznot IDE, SCSI-1 :)Jul 28 00:17
oiaohmscsi-1 also had the same kinds of limits.Jul 28 00:18
oiaohmSame firmware screw ups.Jul 28 00:18
cubexyznot to mention microvax or sparcJul 28 00:18
cubexyzhow big did scsi-1 drives get?Jul 28 00:19
cubexyzmy SCSI rom is gvpscsi.device v4.15Jul 28 00:20
cubexyzI think early Suns used SCSI-1 alsoJul 28 00:24
oiaohmThe worst is atari  software screw up biggest drive 16 megsJul 28 00:25
oiaohmTo replace that hard drive using modern parts is 100 percent custom order.Jul 28 00:25
cubexyzatari ST?Jul 28 00:26
cubexyzwhich atari are we talking aboutJul 28 00:26
oiaohmYep Atari ST I what I am talking about.Jul 28 00:30
oiaohmI have a guy who does displays of historic computers.Jul 28 00:30
oiaohmI do parts for him using current day so least ammount of collectable is used.Jul 28 00:31
cubexyzsome amiga folks are using CF drivesJul 28 00:31
oiaohmcubexyz: try buying a CF small enough these days.Jul 28 00:31
oiaohmIts custom order.Jul 28 00:31
oiaohmThat one is where I need a lie to me module.Jul 28 00:32
oiaohmcubexyz: http://www.ebay.com.au/itm/like/381296786606?limghlpsr=true&hlpv=2&ops=true&viphx=1&hlpht=true&lpid=107&chn=psJul 28 00:35
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.ebay.com.au | 3 5" 1 2MB USB SSD Floppy Drive Emulator Simulation FOR Embroidery Machines DIY | eBay [ http://ur1.ca/na68g ]Jul 28 00:35
oiaohmFloppy drives are these.Jul 28 00:35
oiaohmyes that a 3.5 inch usb that replaces a 5 1/2 inch floppy drive.Jul 28 00:35
cubexyz5.25"Jul 28 00:35
oiaohmOppsJul 28 00:35
oiaohm5 1/4Jul 28 00:36
cubexyzI might want to get a 5.25" for a vic-20 or c64Jul 28 00:36
cubexyzthe drive that isJul 28 00:36
cubexyzsome stuff needs to be archivedJul 28 00:36
oiaohmI think there is a emulator for c64 drive.Jul 28 00:36
cubexyzI still have some 5.25" floppies that need to be readJul 28 00:37
cubexyzrather careless of me to have waited this longJul 28 00:37
oiaohmhttp://www.lemon64.com/forum/viewtopic.php?p=11488Jul 28 00:38
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.lemon64.com | Reading commodore 64 floppies in a 5.1/4" pc disk drive - Commodore 64 (C64) Forum [ http://ur1.ca/na694 ]Jul 28 00:38
oiaohmYou want a catweasel.Jul 28 00:38
cubexyzsounds expensiveJul 28 00:38
oiaohmThe controller is about 120 dollars and goes into a standard PCI socket.Jul 28 00:40
cubexyzoriginal catweasel was for ISAJul 28 00:40
cubexyzso I guess I want PCI, yesJul 28 00:40
oiaohmIts up to revision 4 cubexyzJul 28 00:40
oiaohmI have used it with a PCI-e to pci converter before.Jul 28 00:40
oiaohmYes that uses standard floppy drives.Jul 28 00:40
oiaohmSo the controller is expensive but the drives it needs is not.Jul 28 00:41
cubexyzdo they still make catweasel?Jul 28 00:41
cubexyzdon't think anyone has them in stockJul 28 00:42
oiaohmThey are hard to get now.Jul 28 00:45
oiaohmBut there are still some places around with old stock.Jul 28 00:45
oiaohmcubexyz: https://icomp.de/shop-icomp/en/shop/product/keyrah-v2.html   problem is we are doing this more and more.Jul 28 00:53
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-icomp.de | Keyrah V2 - icomp - en [ http://ur1.ca/na6ce ]Jul 28 00:53
oiaohmKeep the shell hide a PI inside emulating the old system.Jul 28 00:53
cubexyzyesJul 28 00:54
cubexyzhard to avoid especially if you are into old PDP-11 stuffJul 28 00:54
cubexyzthe old devices are $$$Jul 28 00:54
oiaohmAnd for displays not dependable.Jul 28 00:56
cubexyzactually I'd buy a good microvax emulatorJul 28 00:57
cubexyzit would need to run old X and old UnixJul 28 00:59
oiaohmcubexyz: if you like PDP-11 stuff I hope you have heard about this one http://labo.nshimizu.com/pop11.htmlJul 28 01:00
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-labo.nshimizu.com | POP11(PDP11 compatible On Programmable chip)Jul 28 01:00
oiaohmThat is not a emulator that is a reimplementation using current day tech.Jul 28 01:00
cubexyzI was looking at this:Jul 28 01:01
cubexyzhttp://opencores.org/project,w11,systemsJul 28 01:01
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-opencores.org | PDP-11/70 CPU core and SoC :: Systems :: OpenCoresJul 28 01:01
oiaohmOk that is another one.Jul 28 01:02
cubexyzthey already tried Unix v5 on itJul 28 01:02
cubexyzand 2.11BSDJul 28 01:02
cubexyzcheaper than buying a real PDP-11/70 that's for sureJul 28 01:03
oiaohmReally I think fpga is what going to keep lot of the historic systems alive for demostrations.Jul 28 01:03
cubexyzI wouldn't use their Unix v5 imageJul 28 01:03
cubexyzI have my own :)Jul 28 01:03
oiaohmAustralia first supercomputer (that performance is crap)  cannot be turned on because it requires the power of 4 suburbs.Jul 28 01:03
oiaohmBasically power half a million homes or this historic computer that is less powerful than a calculator.Jul 28 01:04
cubexyzsome vacuum tube monster?Jul 28 01:04
oiaohmYep.Jul 28 01:05
oiaohmIts full repaired and theorically operational.Jul 28 01:05
oiaohmJust no one is willing to pay the power bill to find out.Jul 28 01:05
oiaohmcubexyz: Its located right next to a substation is it is possible to turn it on.Jul 28 01:06
cubexyzCSIRAC?Jul 28 01:06
cubexyzwell maybe there's an emulator for itJul 28 01:07
oiaohmYep CSIRACJul 28 01:07
cubexyzthey should turn it on for an hour run some tests then shut it downJul 28 01:07
oiaohmhttp://www.csse.unimelb.edu.au/dept/about/csirac/emulator.htmlJul 28 01:08
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.csse.unimelb.edu.au | CSIRAC Emulator: CSIRAC, University of Melbourne [ http://ur1.ca/na6fe ]Jul 28 01:08
oiaohmWe do have a fully working software emulator for it.Jul 28 01:08
cubexyzI draw the line at SSI era :)Jul 28 01:09
msb_Hard to believe a vacuum tube computer could come anywhere near the power of a $200 CPU chip today.Jul 28 01:13
oiaohmcubexyz: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MONIAC_Computer  I have considered building one of these.Jul 28 01:13
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-en.wikipedia.org | MONIAC Computer - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia [ http://ur1.ca/na6gh ]Jul 28 01:13
oiaohmcubexyz: just for the wrongness factor.Jul 28 01:13
cubexyzremember the sci-fi theme of later generations not being able to fix anythingJul 28 01:14
cubexyzit's just about true nowadaysJul 28 01:14
oiaohmmsb_: depends on what class of vaccum some of the old analog designs are very hard to copy in digital.Jul 28 01:15
cubexyzplanned obsolescence all the wayJul 28 01:16
msb_Not _very_ hard.  But I assumed it's digital.Jul 28 01:16
cubexyzI can't even think of a laptop that's highly repairableJul 28 01:17
oiaohmSome of the old valve based computers had analog maths circuits msb_Jul 28 01:18
cubexyzthey are all a pain in the butt to take apartJul 28 01:18
oiaohmFor doing some very strange and special maths.Jul 28 01:18
oiaohmThose can give a modern day digital a run for it money.Jul 28 01:18
msb_oiaohm: I know.  55 years ago I worked in a biochem lab.  They built their own analog computer modules.Jul 28 01:19
oiaohmfpga and the like we are starting to see some classes of cpus are starting to be able to beat valve based always.Jul 28 01:20
msb_For modelling enzymatic reactions.Jul 28 01:20
cubexyzI can live with emulatorsJul 28 01:20
cubexyzhttp://www.maxhost.org/other/serial-login-to-openbsd.pngJul 28 01:25
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msb_Fascist breitbart claims to speak for the entire entertainment industry.Jul 28 01:33
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msb_During WW2 there were mechanical analog computers for figuring out trajectories, etc.Jul 28 01:36
amarsh04I remember the analog computer at the University of Adelaide Physics laboratoriesJul 28 01:44
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TweetTuxMachines                 https://t.co/DM5iwkZc9e (outflux.net)Jul 28 07:14
TweetTuxMachines........................................  http://ur1.ca/na8unJul 28 07:14
TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     Android Auto secrets hint at vehicle diagnosticJul 28 07:14
TweetTuxMachines                 app, expanded car integrationJul 28 07:14
TweetTuxMachines                 http://t.co/K6rzaA3cIk (arstechnica.com)Jul 28 07:14
TweetTuxMachines........................................  http://ur1.ca/na8uoJul 28 07:14
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Links 28/7/2015: Linux 4.2 RC4, New Logos and Bug ‘Branding’ for FUD | TechrightsJul 28 07:14
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-outflux.net | 3D printing Poe « codeblogJul 28 07:14
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-arstechnica.com | Android Auto secrets hint at vehicle diagnostic app, expanded car integration | Ars TechnicaJul 28 07:14
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TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     Lava Pixel V1 to launch as the second-genJul 28 07:25
TweetTuxMachines                 Android One smartphoneJul 28 07:25
TweetTuxMachines                  http://t.co/LUxtqxVgJi (www.gsmarena.com)Jul 28 07:25
TweetTuxMachines........................................  http://ur1.ca/na8xzJul 28 07:25
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.gsmarena.com | Lava Pixel V1 to launch as the second-gen Android One smartphone - GSMArena.com newsJul 28 07:25
TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     What to expect from the OnePlus 2, the mostJul 28 07:25
TweetTuxMachines                 hyped Android phone of the yearJul 28 07:25
TweetTuxMachines                 http://t.co/Yjfc7aughl (mashable.com)Jul 28 07:25
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-mashable.com | What to expect from the OnePlus 2, the most hyped Android phone of the yearJul 28 07:25
TweetTuxMachines........................................  http://ur1.ca/na8y0Jul 28 07:25
TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     Red Hat News http://t.co/uAwCmUKOsYJul 28 07:25
TweetTuxMachines                 (www.tuxmachines.org)Jul 28 07:25
TweetTuxMachines........................................  http://ur1.ca/na8y1Jul 28 07:25
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Red Hat News | Tux MachinesJul 28 07:25
TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     Leftovers: Gaming http://t.co/MDSyy9JOSGJul 28 07:27
TweetTuxMachines                 (www.tuxmachines.org)Jul 28 07:27
TweetTuxMachines........................................  http://ur1.ca/na8ygJul 28 07:27
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Leftovers: Gaming | Tux MachinesJul 28 07:27
TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     today's howtos http://t.co/8BrV7HgFuaJul 28 07:27
TweetTuxMachines                 (www.tuxmachines.org)Jul 28 07:27
TweetTuxMachines........................................  http://ur1.ca/na8yhJul 28 07:27
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | today's howtos | Tux MachinesJul 28 07:27
TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     Leftovers: Software http://t.co/OwU6pNIx6BJul 28 07:27
TweetTuxMachines                 (www.tuxmachines.org)Jul 28 07:27
TweetTuxMachines........................................  http://ur1.ca/na8yiJul 28 07:27
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Leftovers: Software | Tux MachinesJul 28 07:27
TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     today's leftovers http://t.co/EQQslPP0neJul 28 07:27
TweetTuxMachines                 (www.tuxmachines.org)Jul 28 07:27
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | today's leftovers | Tux MachinesJul 28 07:27
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oiaohmhttp://www.zdnet.com/article/want-to-remove-the-ads-from-solitaire-in-windows-10-thatll-be-1-49-a-month/Jul 28 07:33
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.zdnet.com | Want to remove the ads from Solitaire in Windows 10? That'll be $1.49 a month | ZDNet [ http://ur1.ca/na8zt ]Jul 28 07:33
oiaohmO my I new Microsoft would have to come up with something.Jul 28 07:33
oiaohmboy is the media nuts about the recent andriod phone issue.  Its in fact in a turnable off part of android.   Ok horiblely had part to turn off requiring adb shell but it does have a off switch.Jul 28 07:46
cubexyzdoesn't windows have ads built-in now?Jul 28 07:49
cubexyzI haven't used windows in quite some time so my info is out of dateJul 28 07:50
oiaohmNot normally in default applications of the OS.Jul 28 07:51
oiaohmTrail ware yes.Jul 28 07:51
cubexyzWGA, activation, forced patches, and ads in solitaireJul 28 07:52
cubexyzpeople will be reminiscing about the good ol' days of win2kJul 28 07:54
oiaohmYou missed sign in with microsoft accounts.Jul 28 07:54
cubexyzand by "good ol' days" I mean less shittyJul 28 07:54
oiaohmSo Microsoft tracks when you use your computer.Jul 28 07:54
cubexyzwhat, like MSN?Jul 28 07:55
cubexyznever used thatJul 28 07:55
oiaohmcubexyz: outlook.comJul 28 07:56
oiaohmDefault setup windows 8.x and 10 instead of creating a local account it asks you to use existing or create a new account with outlook.comJul 28 07:56
oiaohmcubexyz: yes password is then changable by Microsoft server as well.Jul 28 07:59
cubexyzoiaohm, I know the source code for win2k solitaire was leakedJul 28 08:05
cubexyzof course, best to avoid windows altogetherJul 28 08:06
cubexyzreversi as wellJul 28 08:07
cubexyzthe tendency for microsoft these days is to remove stuffJul 28 08:13
cubexyzkind of like SCO Xenix... you want a compiler it's $$$ extra, you want tcp/ip, it's extra, etcJul 28 08:14
oiaohmReally microsoft use to sell their complier as well.Jul 28 08:16
cubexyzthey don't any more?Jul 28 08:18
oiaohmThe sdks with compliers for Windows has been free for years.Jul 28 08:19
oiaohmOk crap from standards point of view but free.Jul 28 08:19
cubexyzcan you recall which compiler they used to build windows 2000?Jul 28 08:21
oiaohmcubexyz: the complier in the driver development kit for Windows 2000Jul 28 08:26
oiaohmhttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Windows_Driver_KitJul 28 08:27
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-en.wikipedia.org | Windows Driver Kit - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia [ http://ur1.ca/na9ex ]Jul 28 08:27
cubexyzI think that has vanishedJul 28 08:32
cubexyzbut maybe someone archived itJul 28 08:32
cubexyzI got vc6Jul 28 08:35
cubexyzprobably good enough to compile some chunksJul 28 08:35
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oiaohmcubexyz: no vc6 is different to the OS builder.Jul 28 08:52
oiaohmcubexyz: reactos does have a sdk based on mingw that is fairly able.Jul 28 08:52
cubexyzvc6 didn't seem to like wine too muchJul 28 08:52
oiaohmvc6 complier is from the psdkJul 28 08:53
oiaohmYes Microsoft has been making 2 compliers.Jul 28 08:53
oiaohmone for building userspace stuff and one for building kernel stuff.Jul 28 08:53
oiaohmNever in the middle should meet.Jul 28 08:53
TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     Razer confirms Ouya purchase in bid to takeJul 28 08:55
TweetTuxMachines                 over Android TV gaming  http://t.co/X7PyVEnqgxJul 28 08:55
TweetTuxMachines                 (www.theverge.com)Jul 28 08:55
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.theverge.com | Razer confirms Ouya purchase in bid to take over Android TV gaming | The VergeJul 28 08:55
TweetTuxMachines........................................  http://ur1.ca/na9lyJul 28 08:55
TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     Razer hopes Ouya acquistion will fuel anJul 28 08:55
TweetTuxMachines                 Android-powered revolutionJul 28 08:55
TweetTuxMachines                 http://t.co/TXAOQ8GKjl (www.polygon.com)Jul 28 08:55
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.polygon.com | Razer hopes Ouya acquistion will fuel an Android-powered revolution | PolygonJul 28 08:55
TweetTuxMachines                 http://t.co/X7PyVEnqgx (www.theverge.com)Jul 28 08:55
TweetTuxMachines........................................  http://ur1.ca/na9m0Jul 28 08:55
cubexyzhey oiaohm Jul 28 09:02
cubexyzhttp://www.maxhost.org/other/secret-stuff-do-not-look.pngJul 28 09:02
cubexyzthe microsoft version of solitaire wasn't that greatJul 28 09:04
oiaohmcubexyz: that is why it so supid.Jul 28 09:04
oiaohmstupidJul 28 09:04
oiaohmCharging money for something you did release the source code to.Jul 28 09:05
cubexyzthey actually released the source code?Jul 28 09:05
cubexyzit got leakedJul 28 09:06
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cubexyzas far as I know Jul 28 09:08
TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     Links 28/7/2015: Linux 4.2 RC4, New Logos andJul 28 09:16
TweetTuxMachines retweeted by    Bug 'Branding' for FUD http://t.co/aHN69cLepuJul 28 09:16
TweetTuxMachines @schestowitz    (techrights.org)Jul 28 09:16
TweetTuxMachines........................................  http://ur1.ca/na9w1Jul 28 09:16
TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     New home storage box with Fedora and ARMJul 28 09:16
TweetTuxMachines                 http://t.co/VzIV6tVYnp (kushaldas.in)Jul 28 09:16
TweetTuxMachines........................................  http://ur1.ca/na9w2Jul 28 09:16
TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     Submerged, A Third-person Combat-free AdventureJul 28 09:16
TweetTuxMachines                 Game May Get Linux SupportJul 28 09:16
TweetTuxMachines                 https://t.co/YbDK2jNcfD (www.gamingonlinux.com)Jul 28 09:16
TweetTuxMachines........................................  http://ur1.ca/na9w7Jul 28 09:16
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Links 28/7/2015: Linux 4.2 RC4, New Logos and Bug ‘Branding’ for FUD | TechrightsJul 28 09:16
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-kushaldas.in | New home storage box with Fedora and ARMJul 28 09:16
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TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     The Raven - Legacy Of A Master Thief NowJul 28 09:29
TweetTuxMachines                 Available On GOG For LinuxJul 28 09:29
TweetTuxMachines                 https://t.co/8WLJMdKs03 (www.gamingonlinux.com)Jul 28 09:29
TweetTuxMachines........................................  http://ur1.ca/na9zhJul 28 09:29
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.gamingonlinux.com | The Raven - Legacy Of A Master Thief Now Available On GOG For Linux | GamingOnLinuxJul 28 09:29
TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     Starship Rubicon, A Space Combat RoguelikeJul 28 09:30
TweetTuxMachines                 Updated With A Linux Port, Some ThoughtsJul 28 09:30
TweetTuxMachines                 https://t.co/qvwiExR1pM (www.gamingonlinux.com)Jul 28 09:30
TweetTuxMachines........................................  http://ur1.ca/na9ziJul 28 09:30
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.gamingonlinux.com | Starship Rubicon, A Space Combat Roguelike Updated With A Linux Port, Some Thoughts | GamingOnLinuxJul 28 09:30
TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     Akademy 2015 videos availableJul 28 09:30
TweetTuxMachines                 https://t.co/jw3DJ5fdVd (dot.kde.org)Jul 28 09:30
TweetTuxMachines........................................  http://ur1.ca/na9zjJul 28 09:30
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-dot.kde.org | Akademy 2015 videos available | KDE.newsJul 28 09:30
TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     "Elite Kubuntu developer Scarlett wins anJul 28 09:36
TweetTuxMachines                 Akademy Award!" http://t.co/BwGy5QiAdrJul 28 09:36
TweetTuxMachines                 (jriddell.org)Jul 28 09:36
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-jriddell.org | Akademy A Coruña Photos | Jonathan Riddell's DiaryJul 28 09:36
TweetTuxMachines........................................  http://ur1.ca/naa19Jul 28 09:36
TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     "LidarViewer is Linux specific. As a LinuxJul 28 09:36
TweetTuxMachines                 user, that made me really happy"Jul 28 09:36
TweetTuxMachines                 http://t.co/lk3c8Mv1Xa (opensource.com)Jul 28 09:36
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-opensource.com | 3D data manipulation in LidarViewer | Opensource.comJul 28 09:36
TweetTuxMachines........................................  http://ur1.ca/naa1aJul 28 09:36
TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     Open source runs Croatia’s geospatial servicesJul 28 09:36
TweetTuxMachines                 platforms http://t.co/R2WzkGOMCVJul 28 09:36
TweetTuxMachines                 (www.tuxmachines.org)Jul 28 09:36
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Open source runs Croatia’s geospatial services platforms | Tux MachinesJul 28 09:36
TweetTuxMachines........................................  http://ur1.ca/naa1cJul 28 09:36
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TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     Standardisation process should be open, studyJul 28 09:40
TweetTuxMachines                 shows http://t.co/ULjvFOgC6NJul 28 09:40
TweetTuxMachines                 (www.tuxmachines.org)Jul 28 09:40
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Standardisation process should be open, study shows | Tux MachinesJul 28 09:40
TweetTuxMachines........................................  http://ur1.ca/naa2hJul 28 09:40
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MinceRto msb_, the world is black and white, and the Holy Trinity of putin, kim jong-un and xi jinping will save us all in a Holy Global DictatorshipJul 28 14:26
msb_MinceR: Please stop lying about me and making false claims about what I think.Jul 28 14:27
MinceRmsb_: please stop supporting causes and people you know jack shit about.Jul 28 14:29
msb_MinceR: What "causes and people" are you claiming that I support?  Please give actual quotes from what I have written.Jul 28 14:30
MinceRlike putin and his little adventure in ukraine and the baltic statesJul 28 14:30
MinceRand the chemtrail bullshitJul 28 14:31
msb_MinceR: Every alternative news source says that the US backed a Nazi regime in Ukraine.  For example: http://www.globalresearch.ca/the-u-s-has-installed-a-neo-nazi-government-in-ukraine/5371554Jul 28 14:33
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.globalresearch.ca | The U.S. has Installed a Neo-Nazi Government in Ukraine | Global Research - Centre for Research on Globalization [ http://ur1.ca/ji3em ]Jul 28 14:33
msb_MinceR: What are you referring to regarding the Baltic states?Jul 28 14:34
MinceRthat russia communicated that they're investigating the legality of the secession of Estonia, Latvia and Lithuania from the USSRJul 28 14:36
MinceRwhich means he wants to annex them as wellJul 28 14:36
MinceRand i suspect he also wants PolandJul 28 14:36
msb_MinceR: This site contains lots of good evidence for chemtrails aka geoengineering:  http://www.geoengineeringwatch.org/Jul 28 14:36
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.geoengineeringwatch.org | Geoengineering Watch | Exposing the climate engineering/geoengineering cover-upJul 28 14:36
MinceRyour "alternative news sources" are repeaters of putin's propaganda, and you defined them by that actJul 28 14:36
msb_MinceR: Here is a recent talk by the same investigator:  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zXkVGxLmlAAJul 28 14:37
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.youtube.com | Geoengineering Exposed At California Jam 2015 - YouTube [ http://ur1.ca/n9toj ]Jul 28 14:37
MinceRbut i guess the West can just keep appeasing putler by giving him further areas, that worked so well with hitler!Jul 28 14:37
MinceRit certainly did not lead to the second world warJul 28 14:37
msb_MinceR: I have never heard of what you wrote about Estonia, Latvia Lithuania and Poland, and certainly have never written about it.Jul 28 14:39
MinceRof course, your "alternative news sources" would never mention itJul 28 14:40
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msb_MinceR: Here are five alternative news sources that I recommend, that have no connection whatsoever with Russia or Putin.  Since they all disagree with you, MinceR, it's obvious that your claims, and your obsession with Putin, need rethinking.Jul 28 14:57
msb_Global Research  http://www.globalresearch.ca/Jul 28 14:57
msb_Op-Ed News  http://www.opednews.com/Jul 28 14:57
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.globalresearch.ca | Global Research - Centre for Research on GlobalizationJul 28 14:57
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.opednews.com | Opednews.com Progressive, Liberal United States and International News, Opinion, Op-Eds and PoliticsJul 28 14:57
msb_Truth-Out  http://www.truth-out.org/Jul 28 14:57
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.truth-out.org | Truthout | Fearless, Independent News and OpinionJul 28 14:57
msb_Free Critical Thinking  http://freecriticalthinking.org/Jul 28 14:57
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-freecriticalthinking.org | HomeJul 28 14:57
msb_Paul Craig Roberts  http://www.paulcraigroberts.org/Jul 28 14:57
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.paulcraigroberts.org | Paul Craig Roberts - Official HomepageJul 28 14:57
msb_MinceR: BTW, what motivated your attack on me today?Jul 28 14:58
MinceRyour response to a link i pasted in which you basically ignored the contents of the article.Jul 28 14:59
msb_MinceR: Here are two more excellent non-Russian alternative news sites that disagree with you:Jul 28 15:03
msb_Common Dreams  http://www.commondreams.org/Jul 28 15:03
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.commondreams.org | Common Dreams | Breaking News & Views for the Progressive CommunityJul 28 15:03
msb_TomDispatch  http://www.tomdispatch.com/Jul 28 15:03
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tomdispatch.com | TomDispatchJul 28 15:03
MinceRhow often do these "news sites" repeat the garbage that comes out of RT?Jul 28 15:04
MinceRapparently global"research".ca doesJul 28 15:04
MinceRNorth Korea, a Land of Human Achievement, Love and JoyJul 28 15:04
MinceR—Everything you need to know about Globalresearch in a nutshellJul 28 15:04
msb_MinceR: Are you talking about your link to a fascist website, breitbart, that attacked people who criticize video games and movies for constantly showing rapes and murders of women?Jul 28 15:05
MinceRyes, i'm talking about a link to an article you did not readJul 28 15:06
MinceRhttp://www.cnx-software.com/2015/07/27/new-fcc-rules-may-prevent-installing-openwrt-on-wifi-routers/Jul 28 15:06
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.cnx-software.com | New FCC Rules May Prevent Installing OpenWRT on WiFi Routers [ http://ur1.ca/nachk ]Jul 28 15:06
msb_MinceR: If that's the article you're talking about, I did read it.Jul 28 15:06
MinceRgood thing north korea isn't "fascist", right?Jul 28 15:08
msb_MinceR: Are you claiming that I have written something positive about North Korea?  (I may have mentioned that the US govt murdered 30% of its population in the Korean War.)Jul 28 15:10
msb_MinceR: But I gave information about breitbart and SJWs that that fascist website omitted.Jul 28 15:12
MinceRyou're obviously infatuated with marxist ideology, which north korea applies to the fullest extentJul 28 15:13
MinceRit's also probably the worst dictatorship on the planet, and you obviously love dictatorshipsJul 28 15:13
msb_MinceR: You are lying about me again.  I have said that I favor entirely democratic socialism, NOT a dictatorship by a central communist party.  And NOT -- you are lying again MinceR -- dictatorships of any kind.Jul 28 15:14
MinceRand yet the countries, regimes and dictators you keep raving about are about as far from democratic as possibleJul 28 15:15
MinceRi wouldn't worry if i were you thoughJul 28 15:16
MinceRthe way things are going, it won't be long until the entire earth is covered in regimes like north koreaJul 28 15:16
MinceRincluding the usaJul 28 15:16
MinceRhumans apparently hate their freedom and will do anything to get rid of itJul 28 15:16
msb_MinceR: What "countries, regimes and dictators" do you claim I am "raving about"?  Please give ACTUAL QUOTES from what I have written, NOT your imaginings.Jul 28 15:16
MinceRrussia, north korea, venezuelaJul 28 15:17
MinceRand no, i'm not going to waste my time on searching my logs from the garbage you postedJul 28 15:17
MinceRs/from/for/Jul 28 15:17
msb_MinceR: In other words, you refuse to give any evidence to support your lies about me.Jul 28 15:18
msb_MinceR: You are wrong about humans and freedom.  Humans want to have food to eat and a place to live; those are our highest priorities.  But we also desire freedom, unless we have been lied to so much, e.g., by the US govt, that we support operations that are taking away our freedom.Jul 28 15:21
MinceRhumans would want that, if they were rational at allJul 28 15:21
MinceRyet here we are, in systems that are (or were) democratic enough to show the preferences of the citizensJul 28 15:21
MinceRwith pretty strong evidence that they wanted to lose their freedom and prosperityJul 28 15:22
MinceRand here we have you, advertising the rebuild of imperial russia and the (repeated) destruction of the eastern blocJul 28 15:22
MinceR(granted, you seem to be easily misled by the symbols people and groups use to refer to themselves)Jul 28 15:23
MinceR(like the mostly false distinction between state socialism and fascism/national socialism)Jul 28 15:23
msb_MinceR: The US govt has created several Islamic terror organizations, perpetrated the 911 attacks, and by setting up a Nazi govt in Ukraine has motivated Russia to annex the eastern edge of Ukraine at the request of its citizens.  The US govt has done all this to frighten its own population into accepting the govt's attacks on other nations, which have murdered millions.Jul 28 15:26
MinceR...which makes putin a saint, how?Jul 28 15:26
balrogmsb_: can you stop pushing your propaganda here?Jul 28 15:26
balrogfirst of all, that's extremely offensive; second, it doesn't belong in #TECHrightsJul 28 15:27
MinceRthe government of the USA does horrible things, but this doesn't make them worse than russia or north korea.Jul 28 15:27
MinceRalso, what balrog said.Jul 28 15:27
msb_balrog: I am answering attacks on me by MinceR, which came out of the blue.  Perhaps you would ask him to stop posting attacks on me?Jul 28 15:27
MinceRyeah, it started when he kicked back!Jul 28 15:28
msb_balrog: And why don't you object to MinceR posting political material here?Jul 28 15:28
balrogwell, I do keep these things called exhaustive logsJul 28 15:28
msb_Yes, so do I.Jul 28 15:28
MinceRalso, the world was created last thursday, and there's no history before then, obviouslyJul 28 15:28
msb_balrog: What do logs have to do with this?Jul 28 15:29
MinceRand if msb_ could have been bothered to read the article he commented on, he would have noticed that it touches largely on the matter of video gamesJul 28 15:29
balrogI did see MinceR's link to Breitbart about "SJWs" (which msb_'s response was fairly accurate to)Jul 28 15:29
MinceRwhich is pretty techJul 28 15:29
balrog(sorry MinceR I've been following this for a while)Jul 28 15:29
msb_balrog: And why don't you object to MinceR pushing HIS propaganda here.  Is it because you agree with him?Jul 28 15:29
balrogbut then it degeneratedJul 28 15:30
balrogdue to both of youJul 28 15:30
MinceRas for the sjw issue, it seems to me that most people on both sides haven't researched the original claim the whole issue was aboutJul 28 15:31
MinceRand just picked up a label and started attacking the other teamJul 28 15:31
balrogMinceR: have you???Jul 28 15:31
MinceRwhich probably does more harm than goodJul 28 15:31
balrogmsb_: at this point, the initial argument is a moot point.Jul 28 15:31
MinceRbalrog: i've looked into itJul 28 15:31
balrogwhat was the "original claim the whole issue was about"?Jul 28 15:31
MinceRbalrog: i decided that there are suspicious arguments on both sides and i can't really verify eitherJul 28 15:31
MinceRiirc it was that thing about that journalist allegedly providing positive reviews about a game in exchange for sexJul 28 15:32
msb_balrog: This is the original attack post by MinceR that started this discussion: "<MinceR> to msb_, the world is black and white, and the Holy Trinity of putin, kim jong-un and xi jinping will save us all in a Holy Global Dictatorship"Jul 28 15:33
MinceRyeah, there was no history before thenJul 28 15:33
msb_balrog: Note that MinceR's attack has nothing to do with breitbart and SJWs.  He seems to be obsessed with me, and anything I write sets him off.Jul 28 15:34
MinceRi noticed an underlying themeJul 28 15:34
balrogI see plenty of anti-US stuff from you yesterdayJul 28 15:35
balrogas well as ##conspiracy stuffJul 28 15:35
msb_balrog: If you are talking about me, please give some quotes so I can search for what you are referring to.Jul 28 15:39
balrogtwo days ago: "There is a flap going on on some of my mailing lists about a (relatively) new cure for cancer and autism, banned by the US govt, and doctors who used it being killed!"Jul 28 15:39
balrogthat tells me more about your mailing lists than what actually is happeningJul 28 15:40
balrog;-)Jul 28 15:40
MinceR:>Jul 28 15:40
balrogerr three days agoJul 28 15:40
msb_Did you look at the reference(s) I gave?Jul 28 15:40
MinceRstuff that cures everything should be suspect from the get goJul 28 15:41
balrogwhen the reference you gave has a headline saying "2 MIN NEWS TO ABOLISH THE CORPORATE GOVERNMENT "Because every dark cloud has a silver IODIDE lining", BECA– USE THERE IS A WAR ON FOR YOUR MIND,Your Mind is Your Weapon" ...Jul 28 15:41
balrog....lolJul 28 15:41
MinceRlolJul 28 15:41
abeNd-orgawww, that cure-all developed by the n.koreans isnt real?Jul 28 15:41
balrogsorry but not sorryJul 28 15:41
MinceRit isn't unless it's deathJul 28 15:41
MinceRtechnically most afflictions end with deathJul 28 15:42
msb_balrog: The "dark cloud" quote you are giving from a site that you say I linked to, is _metaphor_.  Do you object to that?Jul 28 15:43
balrogI object to relying on a site full of that kind of crapJul 28 15:44
msb_Here is a recent and very detailed article about the cancer cure.  Note that it works by activating the immune system (specifically macrophages), so it's reasonable that it may help in many different kinds of disease.  Jul 28 15:45
msb_http://www.naturalnews.com/050553_Dr_Bradstreet_GcMAF_cancer_therapy.htmlJul 28 15:45
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.naturalnews.com | INVESTIGATION: Three days before Dr. Bradstreet was found dead in a river, U.S. govt. agents raided his research facility to seize a breakthrough cancer treatment called GcMAF - NaturalNews.com [ http://ur1.ca/nacu4 ]Jul 28 15:45
balroghttp://www.washingtonpost.com/news/morning-mix/wp/2015/07/16/the-mysterious-death-of-a-doctor-who-peddled-autism-cures-to-thousands/Jul 28 15:46
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.washingtonpost.com | The mysterious death of a doctor who peddled autism ‘cures’ to thousands - The Washington Post [ http://ur1.ca/nacue ]Jul 28 15:46
msb_balrog: If you consider metaphor to be "that kind of crap", then I suggest you attempt to enhance your understanding of language.Jul 28 15:47
msb_balrog: Dr Bradstreet (before he was murdered) and others who were using GcMAF for autism claimed substantial success.  But the WaPo article you link to uses the word "peddled" and puts quotes around the word "cured" which implies that his cures were fakes.Jul 28 15:54
MinceRwere his cures proven in proper double blind clinical testing?Jul 28 15:54
balrogis there evidence to substantiate his claims that are not from him or people affiliated with him?Jul 28 15:54
MinceRalso, how does an "activated" immune system defeat autism?Jul 28 15:55
msb_balrog: If you have not yet realized that the US corporate media tells LIES to support the US govt and corporations, I suggest that you compare articles from the corporate media with ones from the seven alternative news sites I gave, and that you use critical thinking to decide who is lying and who is telling the truth.Jul 28 15:56
MinceRgood thing no other government or corporate media ever tells liesJul 28 15:56
MinceRoh waitJul 28 15:56
msb_I have no idea how an activated immune system defeats autism (claimed in most cases, not all).  Unless the autism is being caused by an as yet unisolated virus.Jul 28 15:57
msb_MinceR: Of course some other govts and corp media lie.Jul 28 15:58
msb_balrog: You may be aware that viruses that have not been isolated, and for which, e.g., fluorescent-tagged antibodies have not been produced, are extremely difficult to detect.  They just look like small particles under the electron microscope, undifferentiated from a myriad of other small particles.Jul 28 16:01
balrogmsb_: can you stop treating me like an idiot?Jul 28 16:01
msb_balrog: How have I done that?Jul 28 16:02
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msb_balrog: I don't know how much you know about viruses.  So if I gave information which you already know, I was not "treating [you] like an idiot".  Jul 28 16:06
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MinceRhttp://www.commitstrip.com/en/2015/07/28/betting-on-the-right-horse/Jul 28 17:04
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.commitstrip.com | Betting on the right horse | CommitStrip - Blog relating the daily life of web agencies developers [ http://ur1.ca/nadi7 ]Jul 28 17:04
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TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     Open Source Is Going Even More Open—Because ItJul 28 17:08
TweetTuxMachines                 Has To http://t.co/mjQ6mYmPMRJul 28 17:08
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Open Source Is Going Even More Open—Because It Has To | Tux MachinesJul 28 17:08
TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     Student researchers collaborate virtually withJul 28 17:08
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TweetTuxMachines                 http://t.co/HhQZSRY3tJ (www.tuxmachines.org)Jul 28 17:08
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Student researchers collaborate virtually with help of open-source software | Tux MachinesJul 28 17:08
TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     Move over Skype, Facetime, Hangouts. Here comesJul 28 17:09
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Move over Skype, Facetime, Hangouts. Here comes Spreedbox, a fully open source, secure videoconferencing solution | Tux MachinesJul 28 17:09
TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     Canonical Closes QEMU Vulnerabilities in UbuntuJul 28 17:09
TweetTuxMachines                 15.04 and Ubuntu 14.04 LTSJul 28 17:09
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schestowitzMinceR: This is what it's like for developers to bet on the microsoft horse these days Jul 28 17:25
schestowitzLOL, Vista 10Jul 28 17:25
schestowitzWhat a shitty OSJul 28 17:25
MinceRindeedJul 28 17:25
MinceRwith the mandatory "updates", it's a botnet nowJul 28 17:25
schestowitzNew techrights page: Vista 10 Reality Log http://techrights.org/wiki/index.php/Vista_10_Reality_LogJul 28 17:25
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Vista 10 Reality Log - Techrights [ http://ur1.ca/nadnk ]Jul 28 17:25
MinceR:)Jul 28 17:26
schestowitzand spyware all the timeJul 28 17:26
schestowitzeven when playing solitaireJul 28 17:26
schestowitzbecause ms needs to target adsJul 28 17:26
schestowitzthe page above was set up todayJul 28 17:26
schestowitzjust in time for the "Ow"Jul 28 17:26
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schestowitzmaybe it'll be the last of windows, in this form...Jul 28 17:29
schestowitzChrome OS is very thinJul 28 17:29
schestowitzmostly services (browser) platformJul 28 17:29
MinceRbecause all future releases will be forced "updates"? :>Jul 28 17:29
schestowitzmaybe MS will innov^H thatJul 28 17:29
schestowitzMinceR: that too is possible Jul 28 17:30
MinceRthen again, if the alliance of fascists want to push the logical conclusion to uefi, there will be locked down appliances insteadJul 28 17:30
schestowitzrolling WindowsJul 28 17:30
schestowitzlike Android on Nexus devices in particularJul 28 17:30
MinceRso you can use the CloudJul 28 17:30
schestowitzand 'free' upgradeJul 28 17:30
MinceRwhile being closely monitored by governmentsJul 28 17:30
schestowitzbut that's another discussion altogetheJul 28 17:30
MinceRand the corporations that own the governmentsJul 28 17:30
schestowitzWho would want MS Windows? Only those too cowardly to try something elseJul 28 17:31
MinceR(either directly or via the appliances used by the governments)Jul 28 17:31
schestowitzanother question, how will MS make money? Will services be enough? Doubt it...Jul 28 17:31
MinceRthey'll give the governments offers they can't refuseJul 28 17:31
MinceRmaybe a literal m$ taxJul 28 17:31
schestowitzGoogle is exploring new antifeaturieJul 28 17:31
schestowitz!google android m secure bootJul 28 17:31
TechrightsBot-tr[1] - [Solved] Help: "Secure Boot error"… | LG G3 | XDA Forums - XDA ... | http://forum.xda-developers.com/lg-g3/help/help-secure-boot-error-trying-to-boot-t3054977Jul 28 17:31
TechrightsBot-tr[2] - Verifying Boot | Android Open Source Project | https://source.android.com/devices/tech/security/verifiedboot/verified-boot.htmlJul 28 17:31
TechrightsBot-tr[3] - Verified Boot | Android Open Source Project | https://source.android.com/devices/tech/security/verifiedboot/index.htmlJul 28 17:31
TechrightsBot-tr[4] - What is Microsoft Secure Boot? Webopedia | http://www.webopedia.com/TERM/M/microsoft_secure_boot.htmlJul 28 17:31
schestowitzsaw that today for the first timeJul 28 17:31
MinceRor people will play monthly rent on the appliances they useJul 28 17:31
MinceR(and can't own)Jul 28 17:31
schestowitzthey tried thatJul 28 17:32
schestowitzsort ofJul 28 17:32
schestowitzyears agoJul 28 17:32
MinceRthey'll try it over and over until it sticksJul 28 17:32
schestowitz!google mary jo foley microsoft rent windowsJul 28 17:32
TechrightsBot-tr[1] - Will Windows 10 Become a Subscription Model? -- Redmondmag.com | https://redmondmag.com/articles/2015/04/01/subscription-model.aspxJul 28 17:32
TechrightsBot-tr[2] - All About Microsoft | ZDNet | http://www.zdnet.com/blog/microsoft/Jul 28 17:32
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schestowitzsee [1]Jul 28 17:32
schestowitzoh, wait...Jul 28 17:32
MinceRjust like SOPA, TTIP, PalladiumJul 28 17:32
schestowitzno, there was an older oneJul 28 17:32
schestowitzmaybe none of the aboveJul 28 17:32
schestowitzanyway, Linux devalues WindowsJul 28 17:32
schestowitzGoogle Apps and others do that to OfficeJul 28 17:33
MinceRwindows devalues itselfJul 28 17:33
schestowitzso MS is losing money, the cash cows won't last, and some other divisions lose moneyJul 28 17:33
schestowitztheir big feeders are UK and US gov.Jul 28 17:33
schestowitzmaybe all those high GDP countries that sign secret dealsJul 28 17:33
schestowitzMS just got 30m from BulgariaJul 28 17:33
schestowitzbut it's not astronoical amountsJul 28 17:33
schestowitzit gets BILLIONS from UK gov, NHS, etc.Jul 28 17:34
schestowitzCut that rope and Microsoft will fallJul 28 17:34
schestowitzODF is helpingJul 28 17:34
MinceRi wonder how much blackmail material m$ has on the governmentsJul 28 17:34
schestowitzToday I was delighted to see that nationalarchives gov uk only uses PDF and ODF - no vendor lockinJul 28 17:34
schestowitzBTW, could use some helpJul 28 17:34
schestowitzthe national archive (NA) won't always work for meJul 28 17:34
schestowitzI am trying to set it up such that it'll redirect from 404Jul 28 17:35
schestowitzbut it works only randomlyJul 28 17:35
schestowitzwhich is strangeJul 28 17:35
schestowitzsometimes works, sometimes doesn't, URL stays the sameJul 28 17:35
schestowitzDrupal, cache, NAJul 28 17:35
schestowitzHard to debug where it's failingJul 28 17:36
schestowitz[22:34] <MinceR> i wonder how much blackmail material m$ has on the governmentsJul 28 17:36
schestowitzit's counterproductive when they blow the whistleJul 28 17:36
schestowitzso it's becoming a riskJul 28 17:36
schestowitz!google microsoft blackmail ukJul 28 17:36
TechrightsBot-tr[1] - Microsoft accused of blackmailing UK government | ITProPortal.com | http://www.itproportal.com/2015/05/25/microsoft-accused-blackmailing-uk-government/Jul 28 17:36
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TechrightsBot-tr[3] - Microsoft threatened job cuts to influence UK government IT policy | http://betanews.com/2015/05/22/microsoft-threatened-job-cuts-to-influence-uk-government-it-policy/Jul 28 17:36
TechrightsBot-tr[4] - Microsoft Blackmails and Extorts British Politicians Over Open ... | http://techrights.org/2015/05/22/microsoft-blackmailing-politicians/Jul 28 17:36
schestowitzthis isn't helping them getting the next contractJul 28 17:36
schestowitz(if revealed to the public)Jul 28 17:37
schestowitz!google microsoft bribes probeJul 28 17:37
TechrightsBot-tr[1] - U.S. Probes Microsoft, Partners Over Bribery Claims - WSJ | http://www.wsj.com/articles/SB10001424127887324392804578361971662214256Jul 28 17:37
TechrightsBot-tr[2] - Microsoft Bribe Probe Touches Russia, Pakistan Deals - WSJ | http://www.wsj.com/articles/SB10001424127887324619504579027200320722342Jul 28 17:37
TechrightsBot-tr[3] - Analysis: Microsoft bribery probe hinges on definitions - USA Today | http://www.usatoday.com/story/tech/2013/03/19/microsoft-bribery-probe-hinges-on-definitions/2000257/Jul 28 17:37
TechrightsBot-tr[4] - US probes Microsoft China bribery claim - FT.com | http://www.ft.com/cms/s/0/af5a109e-90d7-11e2-862b-00144feabdc0.htmlJul 28 17:37
MinceRthey'll just pay more in bribesJul 28 17:37
schestowitzthere was never a followup on thatJul 28 17:37
schestowitzso I joke, maybe they bribe those who probedJul 28 17:37
MinceRor get in via the back door and change the memo that say not to give m$ the next contractJul 28 17:37
schestowitzrisk/benefit matterJul 28 17:38
schestowitzmake it easier, with FOSS, to blow the whistleJul 28 17:38
schestowitzand then people like Mark Ballard in the UK will come out with damning reportsJul 28 17:38
schestowitzthat pressure the idiots in Newham, LondonJul 28 17:38
schestowitzhe did that some years ago, it does embarrass themJul 28 17:38
schestowitzmake an environment where rather than people are afraid to blow the whistle or privately speak to journalists it's the corporations feeling tooo fearful to bribe, blackmailJul 28 17:39
schestowitzand then they rethink that Jul 28 17:40
msb_Maybe a near-future strategy will be to point out that Linux is so messed up and unreliable (which it may be in a year or so, from systemd, app-churn, etc) that Windows is just as good.Jul 28 17:58
MinceRand simultaneously revoke redhat's and canonical's bootloader stub certificatesJul 28 17:59
msb_If that requires collusion among psychopaths in MS, RedHat and the govt, well, I think full-blown psychopaths have no empathy for people, and have learned to cooperate with each other.   So to them it's just them vs us.  And they have the power.Jul 28 18:01
msb_Think of them as insectoids from Star Trek.  Totally alien.Jul 28 18:02
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MinceRno, that doesn't require collusionJul 28 18:07
MinceRit only requires m$ to be its usual fascistic self and redhat to be greedy and shortsighted, which they areJul 28 18:08
MinceR(same for canonical)Jul 28 18:08
MinceRand it would be nice to think of them as alien, but all these things are very humanJul 28 18:08
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msb_Let's introduce the terms "humane" and "inhumane".Jul 28 18:38
msb_Psychopaths have human hardware, but inhumane software.Jul 28 18:38
msb_Normal people have human hardware and humane software.Jul 28 18:38
MinceRi think "humane"/"inhumane" are misleadingJul 28 18:38
MinceRhumans have proven countless times that they are capable of a lot of evilJul 28 18:39
msb_humane, adj:  marked or motivated by concern with the alleviation of suffering;  showing evidence of moral and intellectual advancementJul 28 18:40
msb_MinceR: You are right.  Organisms with human hardware are capable of murderous evil.Jul 28 18:41
msb_But that is the result of inhumane software.Jul 28 18:41
MinceRi think "humane"/"inhumane" are misleading because they imply that humans are wired to be goodJul 28 18:41
msb_If treated with love and kindness in childhood, we do turn out good.Jul 28 18:42
MinceRthen it seems love and kindness is rare indeed in childhoodJul 28 18:43
MinceReven the other kids tend to be horribleJul 28 18:43
msb_Jean Liedloff, author of _The Continuum Concept_, found technologically primitive people who were very kind to their children, and their children all grew up to be kind.Jul 28 18:44
MinceRSteven Pinker's findings in The Blank Slate and The Better Angels of Our Nature seem to make the point that humans need advanced civilization in order to be goodJul 28 18:46
msb_The problem is, once inhumane behavior is triggered by some kind of extreme stress, it tends to stay with the person, and they pass it on to their children by being harsh to them.Jul 28 18:46
msb_We need to have comfort and good nutrition.Jul 28 18:46
MinceRwe also need to strive to be civilized peopleJul 28 18:47
MinceRand we need to stop promoting successful crime as an admirable thingJul 28 18:47
msb_But advanced civ is certainly not _sufficient_, as can be seen by the large proportion of inhumane people (as you point out).Jul 28 18:47
MinceRpursuit of money must cease to be the greatest, most important goalJul 28 18:47
MinceRalso, the tendency to regress must be stoppedJul 28 18:48
msb_All true.  But the core of the personality is formed in infancy, in reaction to the way the infant is treated.Jul 28 18:48
MinceRhumanity needs to stop eroding human rights and democracyJul 28 18:48
MinceRyeah, older kids need to stop teaching the younger kids to be evil and nastyJul 28 18:49
msb_Yes, all true.  But once an infant has been emotionally abused, they develop a core of fear and anger, which is then susceptible to all the things you mention, and it's very difficult to dissolve.Jul 28 18:50
msb_Prolonged therapy with gentle psychedelics, and exposure to humane people, music and movies, may dissolve the core of anger and fear at the center of the personality.Jul 28 18:53
msb_I just mean cannabis -- nothing drastic.Jul 28 18:54
MinceRyes, that might workJul 28 18:54
MinceRgraduallyJul 28 18:54
MinceRmake every generation better than the preceding oneJul 28 18:54
msb_In the 1960s it _did_ work!Jul 28 18:54
msb_In just a few years!Jul 28 18:55
MinceRit didn't stick, thoughJul 28 18:56
msb_It was destroyed by the psychopath rulers.  Cannabis sale punished as if it were murder.  Kent State shootings.  Murder of John Lennon.Jul 28 18:57
msb_The rulers knew what was going on.  It was talked about in the "underground newspapers".Jul 28 18:58
MinceRthe people who grow up to be rulers must also improveJul 28 18:58
msb_The audience stood up and cheered when I talked about it from the audience at some talk on cannabis.Jul 28 18:59
msb_That would be great.  I think the son of one of the big tobacco families ended up speaking out against tobacco.  But that's rare.Jul 28 19:00
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msb_With the Net, and access to the old music in youtube, and medical marijuana, a widespread movement among ordinary people should be possible.  I've outlined a first attempt here:  http://cosmicpenguin.com/CauseAndCure.html Jul 28 19:05
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msb_There are also non-corporate ways to share music, if youtube takes it all down.Jul 28 19:06
MinceRhttp://thenextweb.com/gadgets/2015/07/28/robbed-in-60-seconds/Jul 28 19:11
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-thenextweb.com | Brinks safe runs Windows XP, can be hacked in 60 seconds… [ http://ur1.ca/naeex ]Jul 28 19:11
msb_And with Windows, smashing one's fist into the keyboard is probably one of the first things people do!Jul 28 19:14
MinceRlolJul 28 19:16
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cubexyzI find running windows programs less painful on wine Jul 28 21:18
cubexyzin a way, it's FOSS if I have the source for the programs I'm running (I wrote a few) and the source of wine is availableJul 28 21:19
cubexyzrule of source codeJul 28 21:19
oiaohmIts the sandboxing on wine that solves a lot of problems.Jul 28 21:21
oiaohmThat windows users suffer from without knowing what it is.Jul 28 21:21
cubexyzI wish I had the source code for some of the old Loki gamesJul 28 21:21
oiaohmThe old loki games work if you add the right runtimesJul 28 21:21
cubexyzHOMM3 crashes a fair bitJul 28 21:22
cubexyzEUS works wellJul 28 21:23
MinceRUT and Unreal Gold worked mostly fineJul 28 21:23
cubexyzI think some code may be availableJul 28 21:25
oiaohmcubexyz: some of those loki games were horible for  crashing back in the day.Jul 28 21:28
cubexyzoiaohm, can you remember which ones?Jul 28 21:28
cubexyzRT2 and EUS are two that work wellJul 28 21:29
cubexyzthe SMPEG libs, I think there's code available for thatJul 28 21:30
cubexyzHeretic 2 works wellJul 28 21:30
oiaohmcubexyz: http://www.gentoo-wiki.info/HOWTO_Running_Old_Loki_Games  You are using this?Jul 28 21:30
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oiaohmcubexyz: Heavy Metal: FAKK2   the pak3 patch there was required back in the day.Jul 28 21:31
cubexyzI can't access the gentoo-wikiJul 28 21:32
cubexyztrying the cache nowJul 28 21:32
MinceRnice resource, saved and bookmarkedJul 28 21:32
cubexyzoiaohm, I think I've seen some of that info beforeJul 28 21:33
cubexyzlooks interesting, thanksJul 28 21:33
oiaohmMinceR: grab the runtime file as well.Jul 28 21:33
oiaohmcubexyz: I have a true simcity 3000Jul 28 21:33
MinceRthanks for the tipJul 28 21:34
oiaohmYes that patch for it was required when that game was new.Jul 28 21:34
cubexyzand if anyone has source, I won't ask any questions :)Jul 28 21:34
oiaohmLoki games were not the best quality.Jul 28 21:34
cubexyzoiaohm, I'd say it was a mixed bagJul 28 21:34
cubexyzsome were quite good, others not so muchJul 28 21:34
cubexyzI tried "export LD_ASSUME_KERNEL=2.2.5" but it didn't seem to helpJul 28 21:36
oiaohmYou need a lot of of those odd librarysJul 28 21:36
oiaohmFor the hard applications.Jul 28 21:36
oiaohmmostly depending on features that were not to spec.Jul 28 21:36
oiaohmAnd turned out to be secuirty faults.Jul 28 21:36
oiaohmis what breaks a lot of those old loki games.Jul 28 21:37
cubexyzI had a devil of a time getting network stuff to work on RT2Jul 28 21:38
cubexyzbut now I can't find anyone who plays itJul 28 21:39
oiaohmI guess you did not have the gentoo instructions.Jul 28 21:39
cubexyzI can add a few more remarksJul 28 21:40
cubexyzhttp://www.maxhost.org/other/rt2-notes.txtJul 28 21:40
cubexyznever had any contact with the loki devsJul 28 21:43
cubexyzthe gentoo wiki goes into more detail Jul 28 21:45
oiaohmThe fun part is it gentoo instruction page but the libraries used are debian.Jul 28 21:45
MinceRah, the good old days when debian wasn't yet another attempt to reimplement windowsJul 28 21:46
cubexyzHeretic II might have been the one to get it's code releasedJul 28 21:46
cubexyzI think the Debian issues will eventually sort themselves outJul 28 21:47
cubexyzthere's enough developers who are unhappy with the way things are goingJul 28 21:48
oiaohmReally Debian when ever there has been major changes developers of it get uphappy.Jul 28 21:48
cubexyzI think Heretic II was indeed open sourcedJul 28 21:49
oiaohmI would not say debian developers are exactly majorally unhappy with direction.Jul 28 21:49
oiaohmUnhappy with the bugs.Jul 28 21:49
MinceRthe bugs follow from their idiotic decisionJul 28 21:50
MinceRand people who know better told them this is going to happenJul 28 21:50
oiaohmMinceR: you were not around when debian implemented there parall starting sysvinit.Jul 28 21:50
oiaohmThe number of issues systemd has caused is way less.Jul 28 21:51
MinceR"must boot faster"Jul 28 21:51
oiaohmParallel boot process was done when a 4096 core system was taking 2 days to boot MinceRJul 28 21:52
cubexyzoiaohm, backward compatiblility is possibleJul 28 21:53
oiaohmBasically there is a point where "must boot faster" is truly the case.Jul 28 21:53
MinceRand believing that everyone's use case is the same leads to stuff like insisting on multiseat support on a serverJul 28 21:53
cubexyzquasijarus' tcp/ip programs still workJul 28 21:53
MinceRcubexyz: but they aren't shiny and "modern" enough! :>Jul 28 21:53
oiaohmMinceR: systemd it is possible to disable multi-seat mode.Jul 28 21:54
oiaohmJust no one is putting the defaults in.Jul 28 21:54
oiaohmAlso you have to remember doing multi seat before systemd was custom hacking.Jul 28 21:54
MinceRand that custom hacking was more reliable than giving poettering and sievers the wheelJul 28 21:55
oiaohmMinceR: please not claim crap.Jul 28 21:55
cubexyzyikes, that breaks xrandrJul 28 21:55
oiaohmI have used the custom hacked up X11 multi seat.Jul 28 21:55
MinceRthen don't talk about crap :>Jul 28 21:55
oiaohmMinceR: you think multi-seat on server causes headaches.Jul 28 21:55
MinceRi never had a config that needed that hack, or systemdJul 28 21:55
cubexyzdo I null out LD_PRELOAD?Jul 28 21:55
oiaohmAt least the systemd one in fact has debugging.Jul 28 21:55
MinceRoiaohm: i _know_ systemd fucks up serversJul 28 21:55
oiaohmMinceR: I run systemd on servers.Jul 28 21:56
MinceRi know people who are forced to try and run that shit on serversJul 28 21:56
oiaohmI do have a list of settings.Jul 28 21:56
MinceRthen again, it even fails on laptopsJul 28 21:56
oiaohmI have laptops running it as well.Jul 28 21:56
MinceRhttps://lists.debian.org/debian-user/2015/02/msg00013.htmlJul 28 21:56
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MinceRthis is what redcrap calls mature softwareJul 28 21:56
oiaohmMinceR: that there is not systemdJul 28 21:57
oiaohmThat is network-managerJul 28 21:57
MinceRthat's poetteringware all the sameJul 28 21:57
oiaohmIn fact using networkd from systemd is more dependable.Jul 28 21:57
oiaohmpotering did not do network-managerJul 28 21:57
MinceRthat's like saying "this turd smells less than that turd"Jul 28 21:58
MinceRalso, afaik networkmanager has nothing to do with mountingJul 28 21:58
MinceRit's systemd's decision to wait for random shit unnecessarilyJul 28 21:58
MinceR(also to not wait for stuff you shouldn't interrupt, like fsck)Jul 28 21:58
oiaohmnetwork-manager does have to do with mounting.Jul 28 21:59
oiaohmCause was a lot of people putting auto mount network drives in fstab.Jul 28 21:59
oiaohmMinceR: a lot of systemd so called issues turn out to be very bad configurations that were being let side.   Some could turn into security risks.Jul 28 22:01
oiaohmLike its not wise to be attempting to connect to network shares where ever.Jul 28 22:01
MinceRsecurity risks, like a web server built into what's marketed as an "init system"?Jul 28 22:01
MinceRor an unnecessary dns cache that's vulnerable to cache poisoning?Jul 28 22:02
oiaohmdnscaches before systemd also have been vulnerable to cache poisoningJul 28 22:03
oiaohmYes it is possible to turn systemd dnscache off.Jul 28 22:03
MinceRyes, sometime in the past, and then it was fixedJul 28 22:03
MinceRand then a bunch of retards on redcrap payroll tell us to throw all that out and use this shiny new shit they just hacked upJul 28 22:04
oiaohmMinceR: 3 of the Linux competitors in dnscache on Linux had the same fault in 2015Jul 28 22:04
MinceRout of how many?Jul 28 22:04
oiaohmMinceR: out of 8Jul 28 22:04
oiaohmAnd one was the prior debian default.Jul 28 22:05
MinceRdns cache poisoning was so well known it was part of my university curriculum, years agoJul 28 22:05
oiaohmMight have been well know but it been like openssl issues.Jul 28 22:05
MinceRso there were 5 good ones and now we have the wannabe Emperor of GNU/Linux forcefeeding us a broken oneJul 28 22:05
oiaohmNot checked for.Jul 28 22:05
oiaohmMinceR: 8 counting systemd one.Jul 28 22:05
oiaohmSo 4 good 4 badJul 28 22:05
MinceRunder the slogan of "diversity is evil"Jul 28 22:06
oiaohmBasically as good as odds as flipping a coin.,Jul 28 22:06
MinceRexcept you can look it up and decideJul 28 22:06
oiaohmdiversity is not the evil bit.Jul 28 22:06
MinceRinstead of flipping a coinJul 28 22:06
MinceRi know thatJul 28 22:06
MinceRbut companies like crApple, m$ and redcrap keep spouting this propagandaJul 28 22:06
oiaohmNo they were only audited after systemd one was found witht he fault.Jul 28 22:06
oiaohmSo before systemd dns cache was found with the issue no one checked.Jul 28 22:07
MinceRthey can't stand having to compete with OS-es that don't suck nearly as much as theirsJul 28 22:07
oiaohmHow of systemd faults have turned to be miss configuration and cases that audit has not been done in other projects so the same fault was exposed anyhow is not funny.Jul 28 22:08
MinceRpicking a project that actually has some notion of focus already gives you a chance of 4 out of 7Jul 28 22:08
MinceRyou can be certain that the tumor project that has no concept of boundaries but tries to reimplement _everything_ won't have time for security fixesJul 28 22:09
MinceRmisconfiguration, like using google dns by default, without asking the user?Jul 28 22:09
oiaohmProblem is you were not around when debian did parallel boot the first time.Jul 28 22:09
MinceRyeah, maybe then i would have gone with slackware insteadJul 28 22:10
oiaohmslackware did it worse.Jul 28 22:10
oiaohmat the same time.Jul 28 22:10
oiaohmDebain has proven they will work it through.Jul 28 22:10
MinceRi thought they did not do it at allJul 28 22:10
MinceRoh really.Jul 28 22:10
oiaohmMinceR:  slackware did 8 beta releases of parrallel boot.Jul 28 22:11
MinceRthey will work it through after making an authoritarianistic decision centrally, without thinking about itJul 28 22:11
oiaohmOut of all those only 1 booted.Jul 28 22:11
oiaohmThen sucessuflly died by its self.Jul 28 22:11
oiaohmSo the reason why slackware does not have parrellel boot is they failed todo it completely.Jul 28 22:12
MinceRboo hoo, they didn't do this shiny and pointless featureJul 28 22:12
cubexyzha, I think they axed LD_ASSUME_KERNELJul 28 22:13
cubexyzonly works in FC1 eraJul 28 22:13
oiaohmMinceR: not having that feature is why slackware is no found on very large systems.Jul 28 22:17
oiaohmMinceR: You need to change what you are calling pointless.Jul 28 22:18
oiaohmMinceR: to does not suite you usage.Jul 28 22:18
MinceRwill the use cases for poettering's desktop pc work on very large systems? i doubt it.Jul 28 22:18
oiaohmMinceR: I have a 1024 core system.Jul 28 22:18
oiaohmYes systemd is happy on it.Jul 28 22:18
MinceRwe'll see for how long it will be happyJul 28 22:19
cubexyzwhat motherboard is that?Jul 28 22:19
MinceRoiaohm: is it exposed to the internet?Jul 28 22:19
oiaohmcubexyz: that not a motherboard.  its Motherboards.Jul 28 22:20
oiaohmMinceR: its a private data processing server.Jul 28 22:20
oiaohmSo yes no internet.Jul 28 22:20
MinceRthen at least you won't have chinese and russians trying out all the newest systemd exploits on itJul 28 22:21
MinceRoh, and the ISIL guysJul 28 22:21
oiaohmMind you its possible to do 4096 in a desktop size case.  http://www.tomshardware.com/news/apateva-epiphany-4096-Core-multicore-threaded,15064.htmlJul 28 22:22
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oiaohmMinceR: does not matter if you are running systemd or sysvinit you will have the same attackers after you ass.Jul 28 22:24
oiaohmAnd the third parties bit of software you add on sysvinit cause their own problems.Jul 28 22:25
MinceRbut with systemd you'll have a system "designed" by people who have an undying love affair with complexityJul 28 22:25
MinceRwith complexity come bugsJul 28 22:25
MinceRso with unnecessary extreme complexity come unnecessary extreme bugsJul 28 22:25
MinceRalso, systemd (unlike init systems it's sold as an alternative to) listens to network connectionsJul 28 22:25
oiaohmOptional feature MinceRJul 28 22:26
MinceRyeah, "optional", like journaldJul 28 22:26
oiaohmNopJul 28 22:27
MinceRin redcrapspeak, "optional" means "we haven't found a way to force it down your throat yet"Jul 28 22:27
oiaohmjournald you tell it to pass threw not disable.Jul 28 22:27
MinceRremember, in their minds diversity is evilJul 28 22:27
MinceRso yeah, you don't get to disable journaldJul 28 22:27
oiaohmlistern on network connections part of systemd you can delete a program.Jul 28 22:27
MinceRyou can have it mangle log lines before passing them to a reasonable syslogdJul 28 22:27
oiaohmAnd then it still functions.Jul 28 22:27
cubexyzoiaohm, it's still picking up /lib/ld-linux.so.2Jul 28 22:28
oiaohmSo the listens on network connections under systemd you can truly disable systemd.Jul 28 22:28
cubexyzhow do I get it to load old ld-linux.so.2?Jul 28 22:28
MinceRi suppose eventually you'll be able to have journald pass every one of your log lines through a dbus interface to a proprietary blob, get back a transformed version (or nothing) from it, and then feed that to your syslogdJul 28 22:28
oiaohmcubexyz:  ld-linux.so.2 is a static binary.Jul 28 22:29
oiaohmcubexyz: its an application in its own right.Jul 28 22:29
MinceRand then you'll point to the redcrap brochure saying you have signed, certified logsJul 28 22:29
MinceRwhen in fact you'll have garbage.Jul 28 22:29
cubexyzoiaohm, that's the dynamic linker/loaderJul 28 22:30
cubexyzI want it to load the old oneJul 28 22:30
oiaohmLD_LIBRARY_PATH=/path/Loki_Compat/ /path/Loki_Compat/ld-linux.so.2 /path/CivCTP/civctp.dynamicJul 28 22:34
oiaohmcubexyz: Note that lineJul 28 22:34
oiaohmcubexyz: instead of running the executable first you run the old loader first.   After the loader is loaded its done.Jul 28 22:35
oiaohmcubexyz: what the Linux kernel in fact does is like that.Jul 28 22:35
oiaohmMinceR: there is no requirement for blob and use journld   ForwardToSyslog=  and Storage=none set Jul 28 22:36
oiaohmMinceR: then its only transfer operation.Jul 28 22:37
MinceRand i'm sure you'll always have the time to audit the overgrown, cancerous mess that comes out of redcrap's gateJul 28 22:37
oiaohmMinceR: why do I know these options.Jul 28 22:38
oiaohmKnowing these options you can rebuid without a huge stack of stuff.Jul 28 22:38
oiaohmSo slimming systemd down a hell of a lot.Jul 28 22:38
MinceRi know better options where i can avoid the whole train wreck.Jul 28 22:39
MinceRjust like i avoid winblows and OSuX on my systemsJul 28 22:39
oiaohmI have people say I know better optiosn but then they don't put them up.Jul 28 22:39
oiaohmFor my solutions I have very limited options.Jul 28 22:39
oiaohmThat do everything that I require.Jul 28 22:39
MinceRyeah, it sucks being pressured into using shitty toolsJul 28 22:40
oiaohmNoJul 28 22:40
oiaohmI am using the least shittyJul 28 22:40
MinceRhappened routinely in my workJul 28 22:40
oiaohmopenrc and systemd are vastely better than sysvinitJul 28 22:40
oiaohmfor what I do.Jul 28 22:40
oiaohmheck way better than upstartJul 28 22:40
MinceRprobably so's runit, sinit, epoch, minit, ...Jul 28 22:41
oiaohmNoJul 28 22:41
oiaohmI have tried all of thoese.Jul 28 22:41
oiaohmThis is the problem I have been after a good functional init system for a long time.Jul 28 22:41
oiaohmI am sick that on solaris and bsd the init systems truly work and on Linux I have had broken crap.Jul 28 22:41
MinceRand you still have broken crapJul 28 22:42
oiaohmsystemd is closer.Jul 28 22:42
MinceRand this time it's more brokenJul 28 22:42
oiaohmto what it needs to be.Jul 28 22:42
MinceRbut it has more features and it's more "modern" so it's got to be great!Jul 28 22:42
oiaohmOk not idealJul 28 22:42
oiaohmNoJul 28 22:42
oiaohmBSD init system is 20+ years old and it works.Jul 28 22:43
oiaohmSo its not about being more modern.Jul 28 22:43
oiaohmIts about being functional.,Jul 28 22:43
MinceRi'm sure there won't be any consequences to ignoring all principles of good software design for no reasonJul 28 22:43
MinceRsysvinit works tooJul 28 22:43
oiaohmNo it does not.Jul 28 22:43
oiaohmsysvinit is broken on a Linux kernel.Jul 28 22:43
oiaohmClaim it works is putting you head in the sand.Jul 28 22:44
oiaohmsysvinit is design for a OS that only uses PID numbers once.Jul 28 22:44
MinceRthen i must have implanted memoriesJul 28 22:44
MinceRmy life is a lie!Jul 28 22:44
oiaohmLinux kernel after long enough running recycles PID numbers.Jul 28 22:44
MinceRthat takes a whileJul 28 22:44
oiaohmYou never run Linux kernel long enough with enough processes change over to have it go south.Jul 28 22:44
MinceRand properly written daemons don't tend to keep falling overJul 28 22:44
oiaohm1024 system can do that in 12 hours.Jul 28 22:45
MinceRso the pid files tend to remain usableJul 28 22:45
oiaohm4096 can hit recyclcing in 3Jul 28 22:45
MinceRdid we have 1024-core systems 20+ years ago?Jul 28 22:45
oiaohmMy first 1024 core system was 2004Jul 28 22:46
MinceRso we have different goalposts for bsd init on bsd and for sysvinit on gnu/linuxJul 28 22:46
oiaohmThis as been annoying me for over 10 years.Jul 28 22:46
MinceRi guess you've got to move the goal posts around to make systemd look goodJul 28 22:46
MinceRand it still won't look goodJul 28 22:46
oiaohmbsd init tracks by tty that are unique numbers.Jul 28 22:47
MinceRi knowJul 28 22:47
oiaohmI have not moved goal posts.Jul 28 22:47
oiaohmI have a list of features I need a init system todo.Jul 28 22:47
MinceRthing is, all these hypotheses about sysvinit assume that stuff breaks all the time; while the hypotheses about systemd assume that the shitty code pumped out by poettering and sievers never failsJul 28 22:47
MinceRyes, i'm familiar with the checklist-based method of IT product choiceJul 28 22:48
MinceRit leads us to horrible, unusable pieces of junk like m$ officeJul 28 22:48
MinceRand overgrown tumors like systemd and windowsJul 28 22:48
oiaohmBSD init was based on checklist development.Jul 28 22:48
oiaohmFunny right.Jul 28 22:48
MinceR"who cares if it works, add these features and everyone will want one!"Jul 28 22:48
oiaohmAlmost all of BSD development is based on checklists.Jul 28 22:49
oiaohmpart of the reason why it so good.Jul 28 22:49
MinceRand yet BSD is a lot simpler than systemdJul 28 22:49
oiaohmWhat is wrong with msoffice and systemd is no checklist.Jul 28 22:49
oiaohmFeature creap is evil.Jul 28 22:49
oiaohmNot have core features is also evil.Jul 28 22:49
MinceRi meant that the goal of "development" is to rack up a long list of stuff they can show off to potential customers, but nobody will actually useJul 28 22:49
oiaohmLike using PID to track services that can never work.Jul 28 22:49
MinceR(and most of which won't work, since fixing bugs is not sexy enough to actually do)Jul 28 22:50
MinceRand yet it works almost all the time, somehowJul 28 22:50
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MinceRhow can it be?Jul 28 22:50
oiaohmMy checklist is based on what I need.   Not the featues I will not use.Jul 28 22:50
oiaohmlike I turn off journald binary logging.Jul 28 22:50
MinceRm$'s and redcrap's checklist is based on what nobody implemented (because nobody needed them)Jul 28 22:51
oiaohmAnd send to central storage logging.Jul 28 22:51
MinceReven if you turn that off, every line of log passes through journald's digestive tractJul 28 22:51
oiaohmAnd if it was not going though journald to prevent impersenation it would have to be going threw a different program that I used before journald.Jul 28 22:52
MinceRchances are that previous program was not a cancerous growthJul 28 22:53
oiaohm0 It has more features than journald and they were still adding more.Jul 28 22:53
MinceRdid it have more features than systemd (of which journald is a part)?Jul 28 22:54
oiaohmBasically it was 100 percent a cancerous growth.Jul 28 22:54
MinceRdid it have no scope, like systemd?Jul 28 22:54
oiaohmMinceR: just for loging it has 8000 options.Jul 28 22:54
oiaohmMinceR: yes all the program did was log.Jul 28 22:54
oiaohmJournald looks horible but compared to some of the commerical horibles out there is nice.Jul 28 22:55
cubexyzok... looks goodJul 28 22:56
cubexyzfinally got a script that worksJul 28 22:56
MinceRon my laptop, the probability of a pidfile for a dead service matching an existing process is 0.0067138672Jul 28 22:56
MinceRless than 1%Jul 28 22:56
MinceRi'd take that over poettering's baroque monstrosity any dayJul 28 22:56
cubexyzby baroque you mean overly elaborate I assume?Jul 28 22:57
MinceR(and if it bothered me that much, i could add a check for the command line)Jul 28 22:57
MinceRcubexyz: indeedJul 28 22:57
oiaohmMinceR: but for a person like me running bigger systems can you see why I need something openrc or systemd on Linux.Jul 28 22:57
oiaohmMinceR: what am building on a laptop need to be tested for larger deployments.Jul 28 22:58
MinceRno, i can't see why you would need systemd just because your system has more coresJul 28 22:58
oiaohmThe issue here is when you get more cores you burn through PID numbers faster.Jul 28 22:58
oiaohmSo anything depending on PID being unique is screwed.Jul 28 22:59
MinceRhow many services do you run from rc anyway?Jul 28 22:59
MinceRalso, i forgot to mention that stuff like runit can exist fine on top of sysvinitJul 28 22:59
MinceRjust like SMF is started by a more traditional initJul 28 23:00
oiaohmMinceR: systemd can run on top of sysvinitJul 28 23:00
MinceRi don't think soJul 28 23:00
oiaohmsystemd does not need pid 1Jul 28 23:00
MinceRiirc there were checks for having PID 1 and running in a chrootJul 28 23:00
MinceRthere is some shim from debian or ubuntu though, that lets you run some parts of systemd without running the pid1 partJul 28 23:00
oiaohmYes systemd checks if it PID1 but it does not fail to run just because it not.Jul 28 23:00
oiaohmThe debian shim was just systemd packaged mostly without the default install locationJul 28 23:01
oiaohmMinceR: systemd include the code to coexist.   But no one gives up example systems doing that.Jul 28 23:02
oiaohmMinceR: reason I have done openrc as PID1 then sub run systemd for heart beat of service tracking.Jul 28 23:03
MinceRthat's a bit like frankenstein's monsterJul 28 23:04
oiaohmIt was simpler todo that than reboot a 1024 core system.Jul 28 23:05
oiaohmsince someone had coded a service depending on systemd heart beat monitoring.Jul 28 23:05
MinceRah, so somebody fucked up their codeJul 28 23:05
MinceRforced systemd in by depending on itJul 28 23:06
oiaohmBut systemd in fact supports running that way.Jul 28 23:06
MinceRwhich is the real reason for the "need" for systemdJul 28 23:06
MinceRas usualJul 28 23:06
oiaohmNo PID 1 requirement.Jul 28 23:06
oiaohmYet for some reason people change the PID 1 when something needs systemd.Jul 28 23:06
oiaohmMinceR: systemd include a usermodeJul 28 23:10
oiaohmsystemd in usermode does not need PID1Jul 28 23:10
oiaohmyet it can process unit files.Jul 28 23:10
MinceRi'll take a look at that when i'll feel like wading through its spaghetti codeJul 28 23:19
oiaohmThere is a requirementJul 28 23:20
oiaohmBut its not PID1Jul 28 23:20
MinceRi faintly remember seeing some pid checkJul 28 23:20
oiaohmIf it does not have PID1 it needs access to a cgroup manager.Jul 28 23:20
oiaohmopenrc has a cgroup manager so no problems.Jul 28 23:20
oiaohmsysvinit if you start one no problems.Jul 28 23:20
oiaohmMinceR: https://maci0.wordpress.com/2014/07/23/run-systemd-in-an-unprivileged-docker-container/  With some shoving systemd will work without any privilages.Jul 28 23:26
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oiaohmOf course using that method Lose the cgroup tracking I want.Jul 28 23:26
MinceRit should be optional anywayJul 28 23:27
MinceRyeah, dbus also needs to die in a fireJul 28 23:28
MinceRalong with kdbus, of courseJul 28 23:28
oiaohmSystemd in a unprividaged mode will start up withotu cgroups as long as the cgroup directory exists as ro entity.Jul 28 23:28
oiaohmThe reality is once you start messing with systemd you find a heck lot is optional.Jul 28 23:28
MinceRthen again, even if they did make systemd well-behaved and portable, the codebase would still be a messJul 28 23:29
MinceRsystemd itself is optionalJul 28 23:29
oiaohmIf systemd was not design modular making shims and the like would be harder.Jul 28 23:30
MinceR"modular" doesn't mean "a ton of bricks tangled together with razor wire, twine, glue and bitumen"Jul 28 23:30
MinceRif you can't pry modules out of it, it's not modularJul 28 23:30
oiaohmYou can pry modules out.Jul 28 23:30
oiaohmMost people don't try.Jul 28 23:30
MinceRyeah, they just won't workJul 28 23:30
oiaohmNo they workJul 28 23:31
oiaohmwhen pryed out.Jul 28 23:31
MinceRjust like m$ claiming most of their code that runs in kernel mode doesn't make their shit a microkernel.Jul 28 23:31
MinceRjust like m$ claiming most of their code that runs in kernel mode "is not part of the kernel" doesn't make their shit a microkernel.Jul 28 23:31
oiaohmMinceR: I am not kiding when I say modular.Jul 28 23:32
oiaohmsystemd-nspawnJul 28 23:32
oiaohmThat in in the systemd package but its in fact fully stand alone buildJul 28 23:33
MinceRhttp://lists.freedesktop.org/archives/systemd-devel/2014-May/019657.htmlJul 28 23:33
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MinceReven udev isn't a "module" anymoreJul 28 23:33
MinceRit was assimilatedJul 28 23:33
cubexyzuse what you like, discard what you don'tJul 28 23:36
oiaohmNot a good example.Jul 28 23:36
cubexyzif you want a traditional Unix, go with openbsd, freebsd, or netbsdJul 28 23:36
oiaohmNewer Linux kernels don't support udev firmwareloader instead replaced by a internal kernel firmware loader.Jul 28 23:36
oiaohmThat was a upstream change.Jul 28 23:36
oiaohmMinceR:  CONFIG_FW_LOADER_USER_HELPER appears in 3.7 Linux kernel Jul 28 23:37
oiaohmIf you have not worked out FW means forwards.   Capture attempts to use udev firmware loader and use in kernel firmware loader instead.Jul 28 23:38
cubexyzthe old loki games should have been open sourcedJul 28 23:40
cubexyzI think heretic II wasJul 28 23:41
oiaohmhttps://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=718975Jul 28 23:42
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oiaohmMinceR: basically CONFIG_FW_LOADER_USER_HELPER is stupidJul 28 23:43
oiaohmThe Linux kernel since 3.7 as always attempted to load the firmware itself.    So even if udev did load and send the firmware across the linux kernel goes an reloads it again.Jul 28 23:43
oiaohmComplete balls up feature.Jul 28 23:44
cubexyzfirmware for...?Jul 28 23:46
oiaohmWhat ever driver the Linux kernel is wanting to use.Jul 28 23:47
oiaohmSo devices start basically cubexyzJul 28 23:47
cubexyzwhich devices?Jul 28 23:47
oiaohmcubexyz:  http://lists.freedesktop.org/archives/systemd-devel/2014-May/019657.htmlJul 28 23:47
cubexyzusually the firmware is inside the deviceJul 28 23:47
oiaohmTo understand why that is.Jul 28 23:48
cubexyzwhy would linux have to load different firmware?Jul 28 23:48
oiaohmLots of devices these days don't have firmwareJul 28 23:48
oiaohmInstead OS has to send firmware into them so they fire up.Jul 28 23:48
oiaohmcubexyz: cost saving/updatability Jul 28 23:49
cubexyzI don't understandy why anyone would make a device like thatJul 28 23:49
oiaohmLike a webcam cubexyzJul 28 23:49
oiaohmDoes that need to work in boot up.Jul 28 23:50
oiaohmAnswer no.Jul 28 23:50
oiaohmSo save a few dollars and don't put firmware inside.Jul 28 23:50
cubexyzso you're saying some devices don't have any firmware at all?Jul 28 23:50
oiaohmsome devices to start them you basically jtag them.Jul 28 23:50
oiaohmby usbJul 28 23:51
oiaohmOnly firmware is so the device shows up on usb.Jul 28 23:51
cubexyzI don't think I have any device like thatJul 28 23:51
cubexyzthis must be a recent developmentJul 28 23:51
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cubexyzseems like another control mechanism Jul 28 23:52
oiaohmIts that that new.Jul 28 23:52
oiaohmGPU units in most modern video cards are that way.Jul 28 23:52
oiaohmSo no firmware no 3d GPU operations.Jul 28 23:53
oiaohmentery level cannon and lexmark printers were first todo it cubexyzJul 28 23:54
cubexyzso when did this start?Jul 28 23:54
oiaohmI first saw it 1996Jul 28 23:54
oiaohmBut it was not exactly new then.Jul 28 23:55
cubexyzthere's only one file in /sys/class/firmware on my machinesJul 28 23:55
cubexyzand it's timeoutJul 28 23:56
cubexyzopenbsd doesn't even have the directoryJul 28 23:56
oiaohmhttps://kernel.org/doc/Documentation/firmware_class/READMEJul 28 23:56
oiaohmcubexyz: that is the in kernel loaderJul 29 00:01
cubexyzI spoke too soon, there's /lib/firmwareJul 29 00:04
oiaohmYes there is quite a bit in there.Jul 29 00:06
cubexyzdid you know The Weather Channel funded Tungsten Graphics to develop the Radeon 8500 driver?Jul 29 00:06
oiaohmUnderstandable.Jul 29 00:06
oiaohmThey want competition between AMD and Nvidia to try to keep processing costs down.Jul 29 00:06
cubexyzoiaohm, I don't think older linux had /lib/firmwareJul 29 00:07
oiaohmcubexyz: weather forcasting these days uses a hell load of gpus.Jul 29 00:07
cubexyzyesJul 29 00:07
cubexyzfc1 had /etc/firmwareJul 29 00:08
oiaohmBefore /lib/firmware the firmware files were spreed all over the place.Jul 29 00:08
oiaohmIe where ever distrobutions thought was a good idea.Jul 29 00:08
oiaohmLinux kernel setting /lib/firmware was a good solution.Jul 29 00:08
cubexyznot really a library thoughJul 29 00:09
oiaohmKinda is.Jul 29 00:09
oiaohmcubexyz: I now it streeching the meaning of library.Jul 29 00:11
oiaohmkernel loads firmware to shove into devices so devices provide functions.Jul 29 00:11
oiaohmYou load libraries into normal application to get access to functions the library contains.Jul 29 00:12
oiaohm /lib/firmware makes more sense than /etc/firmware as you are really never to edit firmware files unless you are willing to make stuff burn.Jul 29 00:12
cubexyzI certainly have no idea what it doesJul 29 00:13
oiaohmThat is the fun with firmware.Jul 29 00:14
oiaohmUntil you load it to a device or can decomple it you don't know what it does.Jul 29 00:14
cubexyzall I know is it says "Loading R300 Microcode"Jul 29 00:15
oiaohmOther than provided documentation.Jul 29 00:15
oiaohmyou have a radion video card I guess by that.Jul 29 00:15
cubexyzyesJul 29 00:15
oiaohmThat is making the GPU functional Jul 29 00:16
cubexyzso what would happen if the R300 microcode was not loaded?Jul 29 00:16
oiaohmUntil that only 2d part of a R300 works.Jul 29 00:16
oiaohmEven not all the 3d part.Jul 29 00:16
cubexyzwould the text console still work?Jul 29 00:16
oiaohmOppsJul 29 00:16
oiaohmnot even all the 2d part.Jul 29 00:17
oiaohmr300 in what.    R300 I think apple did a machine that was frame buffer only.Jul 29 00:17
cubexyzno EXA acceleration, textured video or 3d acceleration without microcode it saysJul 29 00:17
cubexyzwhat's textured video? :)Jul 29 00:18
oiaohmvideo accelerationJul 29 00:18
oiaohmtexture video is gpu decode video to a opengl texture.Jul 29 00:18
oiaohmEXA is 2d acceleration.   So fairly much back to a basic framebuffer without it.Jul 29 00:19
cubexyzit actually says it's loading R300 microcode every time I which to and from the text consoleJul 29 00:20
cubexyzs/which/switch/Jul 29 00:20
cubexyzit's an unconditional console messageJul 29 00:21
oiaohmAMD closed source drivers yes?Jul 29 00:21
oiaohmBecause if so this is the open soruce/closed source cat fight.Jul 29 00:21
cubexyzactually wait, it's just in dmesgJul 29 00:22
cubexyzbut I just noticed itJul 29 00:22
oiaohmIf you are running Amd closed source drivers the X11 uses that.Jul 29 00:22
oiaohmAnd the text based framebuffer console uses open sourceJul 29 00:22
cubexyzno, I have open source video driverJul 29 00:23
oiaohmhmm that oodJul 29 00:23
oiaohmbecause it should only need to load the firmware once in that case.Jul 29 00:23
oiaohmMaybe they are treating it like it has the closed source loaded.Jul 29 00:23
oiaohmamdgpu driver as a unified thing is going to be so great it not funny.Jul 29 00:24
oiaohmend all this stupid driver fighting with driver.Jul 29 00:24
cubexyznot sure if I have the source to radeonfb thoughJul 29 00:24
oiaohmcubexyz: what I describe was how it was 2 years ago.Jul 29 00:25
oiaohmNvidia closed source and framebuffer cat fights as well.Jul 29 00:27
cubexyzit used to be in /usr/srcJul 29 00:28
cubexyzradeonfb.cJul 29 00:28
cubexyzso confusingJul 29 00:29
cubexyzI wanted to look at that code to see what it doesJul 29 00:29
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schestowitzhttps://twitter.com/fcassia/status/626228273702400000Jul 29 02:48
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@fcassia: Looks like #OpenBSD can give #Cisco routers some kicking https://t.co/VeqmB3o5zs cc/@schestowitz #opensourceJul 29 02:48
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@fcassia: "we replaced all #Cisco routers w #OpenBSD boxes(…)extremely reliable&fast for #gigabit-level L3 intra-vlan routing" https://t.co/abb3nl27d1Jul 29 02:48
schestowitzhttps://twitter.com/annejanbrouwer/status/626284182357061632Jul 29 02:55
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@annejanbrouwer: @schestowitz may prevent some squeamish ppl from installing openWRTJul 29 02:55
schestowitzhttps://joindiaspora.com/posts/6399036Jul 29 02:57
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: When corporations buy airspace http://www.theguardian.com/technology/2015/jul/28/amazon-autonomous-drones-only-airspace-package-deliveryJul 29 02:57
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schestowitz"That ties in nicely with what the FAA proposed for rc aircraft a few months ago… What turkeys."Jul 29 02:57
schestowitzhttps://twitter.com/CDSRV/status/626288232305594369Jul 29 03:10
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@CDSRV: @voidquest44 @schestowitz : digging up articles from 1990's?Jul 29 03:10
schestowitz> https://soylentnews.org/breakingnews/article.pl?sid=15/07/28/1433251Jul 29 03:26
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schestowitz>Jul 29 03:26
schestowitz> -Jul 29 03:26
schestowitz>Jul 29 03:26
schestowitz> "The Company… has not successfully leveraged theJul 29 03:26
schestowitz> Slashdot user base."Jul 29 03:26
schestowitz>Jul 29 03:26
schestowitz> http://arstechnica.com/information-technology/2015/07/dhi-group-plans-to-sell-off-slashdot-and-sourceforge/Jul 29 03:26
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-arstechnica.com | DHI Group plans to sell off Slashdot and Sourceforge | Ars Technica [ http://ur1.ca/nai44 ]Jul 29 03:26
schestowitz>Jul 29 03:26
schestowitz> No, but they have successfully chased away the users and driven the siteJul 29 03:26
schestowitz> into the ground perhaps irrevocably, and probably on purpose.Jul 29 03:26
schestowitzDoes the Dice/DHI Web site reveal any connection to MS, e.g. board of directors?Jul 29 03:26
schestowitzhttps://twitter.com/FrancisJeffrey7/status/626290600732696576]Jul 29 03:32
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@FrancisJeffrey7: @voidquest44 @schestowitz Complex s/w that my crew wrote in 1990s: crashed (about) MONTHLY, on top of BSD Unix that crashed (about) WEEKLY.Jul 29 03:32
schestowitzhttps://twitter.com/Messgorough/status/626291866410053632Jul 29 03:32
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@Messgorough: @schestowitz Can't quite see that Malaysian airways flight either.....Jul 29 03:32
schestowitzhttps://twitter.com/coryxoxo/status/626291882436341760Jul 29 03:32
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@coryxoxo: @schestowitz Think they got a flying lightning death machine? I'd take one in a video game.Jul 29 03:32
cubexyzbull... bsd did not crash weeklyJul 29 03:35
cubexyzthat's bullJul 29 03:35
cubexyzeven quasijarus had uptimes over 200 daysJul 29 03:35
schestowitzhttps://joindiaspora.com/posts/6399577Jul 29 03:36
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schestowitz"That was to expect…"Jul 29 03:36
schestowitzSome want to hang himJul 29 03:36
cubexyzI never saw win2k last much beyond 50 daysJul 29 03:36
cubexyzwin95 was a crashomaticJul 29 03:37
schestowitzwell, that was a long time agoJul 29 03:37
schestowitzI guess Mac OS was not much betterJul 29 03:37
schestowitznor LinuxJul 29 03:37
schestowitzwhich hardly even had a good GUI at the timeJul 29 03:37
schestowitzbut WIndows continues to be buggy and unstable for a long time to comeJul 29 03:37
schestowitzcubexyz: I don't think there's much Windows left, the world adopts AndroidJul 29 03:38
cubexyzI hear the guy on CTV news (normally pro microsoft) diss windows Jul 29 03:38
schestowitzMicrosoft is learning to accept that tooJul 29 03:38
schestowitznow it has some launchers for androidJul 29 03:38
schestowitzir seeks patent paymentsJul 29 03:39
cubexyzthe cracks are starting to showJul 29 03:39
schestowitzand is uses Cyanogen Inc. as a Trojan horseJul 29 03:39
schestowitzcubexyz: did he diss Vista 10?Jul 29 03:39
schestowitzI got marketing spam about it this morningJul 29 03:39
cubexyzhe basically said windows 8 was crap and fewer people now use windowsJul 29 03:40
cubexyzand that microsoft "has to" give windows 10 for freeJul 29 03:40
schestowitzhttps://joindiaspora.com/posts/6399577Jul 29 03:41
schestowitz"BUT WE ALL ASKED SO NICELY!!!11"Jul 29 03:41
cubexyzsince google gives out chrome os for free and I think Apple gives away it's OS for free also?Jul 29 03:41
cubexyznot sure Jul 29 03:41
schestowitzGovernments of occupations don't care what people think, they tell people what to think. And if people still don't agree, they call them dissident, "target" them.Jul 29 03:41
cubexyza LOT of people are repurposing old computers with LinuxJul 29 03:42
cubexyzI saw that in Toronto recentlyJul 29 03:42
schestowitzcool!Jul 29 03:42
schestowitzyes, BUT..Jul 29 03:43
schestowitzMS isn't giving it for freeJul 29 03:43
schestowitzthat's a lieJul 29 03:43
schestowitzit makes it free UPDATEJul 29 03:43
schestowitzlike system updateJul 29 03:43
schestowitzwhich is a  different thingJul 29 03:43
cubexyzhow much does it cost for system builders I wonderJul 29 03:43
schestowitz~5 posts debunking the 'free' Vista 10 lie in this new page: http://techrights.org/wiki/index.php/Vista_10_Reality_LogJul 29 03:43
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Vista 10 Reality Log - Techrights [ http://ur1.ca/nadnk ]Jul 29 03:43
schestowitzcubexyz: depends which system builderJul 29 03:44
schestowitzthey keep that secret so that they can price syndamicallyJul 29 03:44
schestowitzdynamicallyJul 29 03:44
cubexyzprobably about $15 to $50 Jul 29 03:44
schestowitzbut someone once leaked some documents to meJul 29 03:44
cubexyzI'm guessingJul 29 03:44
schestowitzhttp://techrights.org/2009/06/12/tesco-lies-for-ms-cash/Jul 29 03:46
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Tesco Recommends Vista “Due to Endorsement Money Paid to Tesco from Microsoft” | Techrights [ http://ur1.ca/nai87 ]Jul 29 03:46
schestowitzhttp://techrights.org/2008/12/01/leaked-oem-vista-ad-incentives/Jul 29 03:46
schestowitzClassicsJul 29 03:47
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Leaked: Microsoft Pays Companies to Recommend Windows | Techrights [ http://ur1.ca/204qa ]Jul 29 03:47
cubexyzok I have an answer in the form of an emailJul 29 03:59
cubexyzmicrosoft windows 10 home OEM $127.99Jul 29 03:59
cubexyz$179.99 for proJul 29 04:00
cubexyz:-PJul 29 04:00
cubexyzyou can have crap or deluxe crapJul 29 04:02
cubexyzanyways they were selling used P4's with Linux in Toronto for 20 bucksJul 29 04:03
cubexyzhttp://eused.caJul 29 04:03
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cubexyznot that I'd want a P4 but still it's so cheapJul 29 04:05
cubexyzwindows 10, not to be confused with windows 1.0Jul 29 04:08
cubexyzdid you know you can't copy an audio cd on windows?Jul 29 04:09
cubexyzI had to use my customer's linux box to copy some audio cdsJul 29 04:10
cubexyzGST, that sounds like a Canadian Microsoft dealJul 29 04:11
cubexyzoh wait, there's GST in Australia, Hong Kong, India, Malaysia, New Zealand and SingaporeJul 29 04:13
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schestowitzhttps://twitter.com/encycl/status/626306138938568704Jul 29 04:20
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@encycl: @schestowitz "once upon a time" is not a defense for an offensive word. That's what progress means.Jul 29 04:20
schestowitzRight, but the point is, github threatens to censor projects based on offensive wordsJul 29 04:21
cubexyzI pretty much knew Microsoft sucked back in 1988 Jul 29 04:30
cubexyzI compared windows 2.0 to topview and desqviewJul 29 04:30
cubexyztopview was this awful thing from IBMJul 29 04:30
cubexyzwindows 2.0 was slightly better than topview but ran slowJul 29 04:30
cubexyzXenix was boring but it ran without problemsJul 29 04:31
schestowitzhttps://twitter.com/encycl/status/626307953570635777Jul 29 04:31
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@encycl: @schestowitz the censorship is troubling to me.Jul 29 04:31
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schestowitzhttps://twitter.com/MariusNestor/status/626323027886739456Jul 29 05:32
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@MariusNestor: @schestowitz haha 😁😁Jul 29 05:32
schestowitzhttps://twitter.com/JohnitoMusic/status/626324787867029504Jul 29 05:42
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TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     Canonical Patches Two BIND Vulnerabilities inJul 29 05:47
TweetTuxMachines                 All Supported Ubuntu OSes, Update NowJul 29 05:47
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Canonical Patches Two BIND Vulnerabilities in All Supported Ubuntu OSes, Update Now | Tux MachinesJul 29 05:47
TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     Leftovers: Ubuntu Touch http://t.co/IUsQaVyk3LJul 29 05:47
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Leftovers: Ubuntu Touch | Tux MachinesJul 29 05:47
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TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     Solus Linux OS Boots in 1.2 SecondsJul 29 05:47
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Solus Linux OS Boots in 1.2 Seconds | Tux MachinesJul 29 05:47
TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     Using OpenBSD as a FreeBSD RouterJul 29 05:47
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Using OpenBSD as a FreeBSD Router | Tux MachinesJul 29 05:47
TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     GNOME's LaTeXila TeX/LaTeX Editor App Gets NewJul 29 05:47
TweetTuxMachines                 Features, Prepares for GNOME 3.18Jul 29 05:47
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schestowitzhttps://twitter.com/johanhegg/status/626331434291085312Jul 29 06:01
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@johanhegg: @schestowitz MateJul 29 06:01
schestowitzOne of the few I never triedJul 29 06:01
schestowitzunless Mint in 2010 counted for thatJul 29 06:02
schestowitzhttps://twitter.com/eee_eff/status/626331773794951168Jul 29 06:02
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@eee_eff: @schestowitz I still like blackbox, most elegant, useful and uncluttered yet. Too bad NOT GPL, so #openboxJul 29 06:02
schestowitzThere's a openbox+kde+qt+plasma hybrid that I tried last yearJul 29 06:02
TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     GNOME's LaTeXila TeX/LaTeX Editor App Gets NewJul 29 06:05
TweetTuxMachines                 Features, Prepares for GNOME 3.18Jul 29 06:05
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TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     Today in Techrights  http://t.co/ShMJFTRp01Jul 29 06:05
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schestowitzhttps://twitter.com/eee_eff/status/626332623070171136Jul 29 06:07
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@eee_eff: @schestowitz yes, SuSE has an openbox kde desktop. Used some, but some apps looked odd...Jul 29 06:07
schestowitzYes, not tested under such setupsJul 29 06:07
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schestowitzhttps://twitter.com/johanhegg/status/626336681117913088Jul 29 06:23
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@johanhegg: @schestowitz Nope lol tried mint, and Mate hands down for me at least, is the best so far, accessibility being my main reasonJul 29 06:23
schestowitzhttps://joindiaspora.com/posts/6399483Jul 29 06:28
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: #diegogarcia is so blurred/grainy/low res in #googlemaps that one wonders if it's intentional. Nukes, subs, bombers, torture flights there.Jul 29 06:28
schestowitz"If it this is more the case than in surrounding bits of land, then I would stop wondering."Jul 29 06:28
schestowitzI guess all they have is satellite footage and no aerial footage like much of Google Maps. Would US Navy etc. want planes flying overhead for publication? If there was war, Diego Garcia would be a top target alongside Hawaii, Guam, maybe Luzon and a few other vulnerable but strategic areasJul 29 06:30
schestowitz"Yes and sadly consumers have to pay a fee whenever they want to withdraw cash from ATMs so people start transitioning to cards." Jul 29 06:32
schestowitzhttps://joindiaspora.com/posts/6399548Jul 29 06:32
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: In #sweden "banks don't want to pay the 'expense' of handling cash," iopkh shows http://www.svd.se/pengar-problem-i-kontanthanteringen/om/debatten-om-kontanternaJul 29 06:32
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights--> www.svd.se | Ingen vill betala för kontanterna | SvD [ http://ur1.ca/najtj ]Jul 29 06:32
TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     Watch: Ubuntu MATE 15.04 Linux Running on theJul 29 06:49
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TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     "I have settled on maintaining my sensitiveJul 29 06:49
TweetTuxMachines                 data in plain-text files that I then encryptJul 29 06:49
TweetTuxMachines                 asymmetrically" http://t.co/ZJzynpCvoxJul 29 06:49
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.linuxjournal.com | Hacking a Safe with Bash | Linux JournalJul 29 06:49
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MinceRhttps://plus.google.com/+JohnMcKenzie/posts/KFG3PWHrYHuJul 29 07:42
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-plus.google.com | Just remember folks - upgrading to Windows 10 -  Asimov/CEIP/WER (MS' real time… [ http://ur1.ca/nakpj ]Jul 29 07:42
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MinceRhttps://edri.org/microsofts-new-small-print-how-your-personal-data-abused/Jul 29 07:59
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TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     Canonical Says Ubuntu-Based Docker Images AreJul 29 08:24
TweetTuxMachines                 Not a Copyright ViolationJul 29 08:24
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Canonical Says Ubuntu-Based Docker Images Are Not a Copyright Violation | Tux MachinesJul 29 08:24
TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     Poll: "I am not using systemd and plan to avoidJul 29 08:24
TweetTuxMachines                 it:     1170 (44%)Jul 29 08:24
TweetTuxMachines                 I use systemd and like it:  787 (30%)"Jul 29 08:24
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-distrowatch.com | DistroWatch.com: Put the fun back into computing. Use Linux, BSD.Jul 29 08:24
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msb_MinceR: People _do_ want to be free!  "I am not using systemd and plan to avoid  it:     1170 (44%)"Jul 29 08:53
oiaohmmsb_: you are forgetting the 30 percent who are happy using it.Jul 29 08:54
MinceRthat poll does not reflect the population of even one countryJul 29 08:54
oiaohmThat is not a clear win one way or the other.Jul 29 08:54
oiaohmDue to the infighting over init systems before systemd I was not expecting a clear win.Jul 29 08:55
msb_That poll is representative of people in many countries.Jul 29 08:55
oiaohmKey word is plan to avoid includes people who have not even bothered trying it yet.Jul 29 08:55
oiaohmThe level of bad press for it only to be 44 percent is impressive.Jul 29 08:56
cubexyzthat poll over-simplifies thingsJul 29 08:56
msb_Many people, nearly half, want to be free.Jul 29 08:56
cubexyzit doesn't talk about BSD init or Plan 9 initJul 29 08:56
oiaohmBSD init and Plan 9 init are not properly functional on a Linux kernel.Jul 29 08:57
cubexyzok, let's see the linkJul 29 08:58
cubexyzis this the _Distro_ Watch poll?Jul 29 08:58
cubexyzyou distro watch not linux watchJul 29 08:59
cubexyzyou knowJul 29 08:59
oiaohmhttp://distrowatch.com/weekly.php?pollnumber=8&myaction=SeeVote&issue=20150713#pollJul 29 08:59
msb_Most poll participants have only heard of sysvinit and systemd.  And many have been forced into using systemd by coercive distro admins.  Given those facts, 44% rejecting systemd is very encouraging.Jul 29 08:59
oiaohmIf you total up those who using systemd hate it or not is 42 percent add on 4 percent who are going to try it.Jul 29 08:59
TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     Links 29/7/2015:  Akademy 2015 Ends, NetBSD 7.0Jul 29 09:00
TweetTuxMachines                 RC http://t.co/DRtLBikt3a (techrights.org)Jul 29 09:00
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cubexyzright, doesn't say anything about the linux kernelJul 29 09:00
TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     KDE and Akademy http://t.co/BxJMmu5XLmJul 29 09:00
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MinceR"don't knock cyanide until you've tried it"Jul 29 09:00
TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     Leftovers: Gaming http://t.co/BIreRfGwXUJul 29 09:00
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cubexyzit just simpilifies things to like systemd don't like systemdJul 29 09:00
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | KDE and Akademy | Tux MachinesJul 29 09:00
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Leftovers: Gaming | Tux MachinesJul 29 09:00
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Leftovers: Software | Tux MachinesJul 29 09:00
cubexyzso I guess "I am not using systemd" has to cover BSD init and other onesJul 29 09:01
msb_Tens of millions of people have been using sysvinit with Linux for 15 years.  Despite oiaohm's objections, they have had few if any problems with it.Jul 29 09:01
cubexyzthat's too linux-centricJul 29 09:01
oiaohmMinceR: I have eaten apple seeds that contains a small about of cyanide and its quite nice in fact.Jul 29 09:02
msb_cubexyz: What's the ratio of Linux users to BSD users?Jul 29 09:02
oiaohmabout/amountJul 29 09:02
cubexyzthe fact is that Bell Labs Unix was the template for everything that came afterwardsJul 29 09:02
oiaohmmsb_: all distrobutions have had open bugs over issues with sysvinit.Jul 29 09:02
oiaohmmsb_: that is all Linux distrobutions.Jul 29 09:03
msb_oiaohm: But they are not significant in  probability.  That's what you keep ignoring.Jul 29 09:03
MinceRoiaohm: obviously the dosage was off. :>Jul 29 09:04
oiaohmInteresting enough lot of sysvinit emulation problems in systemd has to do with LSB meta data in sysvinit script to assist auto configuration of startup order being wrong.Jul 29 09:04
cubexyzsysvinit is from... AT&T UnixJul 29 09:05
oiaohmSo sysvinit auto configuration tools have been breaking for a long time.Jul 29 09:05
cubexyzpeople seem to forget their historyJul 29 09:05
msb_Decades ago I knew a girl with a brain tumor that was being kept in check with Laetrile tablets, the cyanide ingredient in apple and apricot seeds.Jul 29 09:05
MinceRwell, it does have a cyanide group but that's not what i was referring toJul 29 09:06
MinceRi was referring to the cyanide ion.Jul 29 09:06
cubexyzso around 1982Jul 29 09:06
MinceR(or the cyanide group in HCN)Jul 29 09:06
cubexyznow, all of a sudden sysvinit is badJul 29 09:06
cubexyzI never heard talk like that when I worked on SCO XenixJul 29 09:07
oiaohmcubexyz: SCO Xenix did not recycle PID instead crashed.Jul 29 09:07
cubexyzit was bad, but not because of sysvinitJul 29 09:07
cubexyzit was bad because that it was closed sourceJul 29 09:07
MinceRsuddenly ony sysvinit and systemd exist, suddenly it's impossible to things without systemd that we've been doing without systemd for agesJul 29 09:08
MinceRs/ony/only/Jul 29 09:08
MinceRwe're living in interesting timesJul 29 09:08
oiaohmcubexyz: bad because it did not remain running as long as solaris or Linux that do recycle PID numbers.Jul 29 09:08
oiaohmcubexyz: and bsdJul 29 09:08
cubexyzno, I never said only sysvinit and systemdJul 29 09:08
msb_It is L-mandelonitrile, one of the first alternative cancer treatments.  Cancer cells have more of the enzyme that breaks it down and releases the CN than normal cells.Jul 29 09:08
MinceRnot you, cubexyz Jul 29 09:08
cubexyzI definitely talked about pre-sysvinitJul 29 09:08
MinceRsystemd apologists keep framing it as if only sysvinit and systemd existedJul 29 09:08
MinceR(or, in the case of debian's leadership, only sysvinit, upstart and systemd existed)Jul 29 09:09
oiaohmMinceR:  http://chemistry.about.com/od/healthsafety/f/Do-Apple-Seeds-Contain-Poison.htm  Its the level of posion small ammount of cyanide is a danager to the human body.  Is a interesting taste in fact.Jul 29 09:09
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-chemistry.about.com | Are Apple Seeds Poisonous? [ http://ur1.ca/nalp5 ]Jul 29 09:09
cubexyzit is irksome that people don't talk about BSDJul 29 09:09
cubexyzI think BSD is very importantJul 29 09:09
MinceRif redcrap and their following manages to kill GNU/Linux before they manage to kill BSD, people will talk a lot more about BSD.Jul 29 09:10
oiaohmMinceR: that is wrong debian leadership started with 20 and wittled down removing those broken by design.Jul 29 09:10
cubexyzclearly it was the template used by Stallman and TorvaldsJul 29 09:10
oiaohmOpenrc almost won with the debian leadership.Jul 29 09:10
msb_Laetrile is the abbreviation for  L-mandelonitrile.  The human body can definitely withstand small amounts of CN, and it helps to keep cancer down.Jul 29 09:10
MinceRoiaohm: no, they didn't remove neither upstart nor systemd, even though both are broken by design.Jul 29 09:10
oiaohmupstart was removed due to its ptrace usage that is broken way of tracing processes.Jul 29 09:11
MinceRlaetrile is a highly toxic product that has not shown any effect on treating cancerJul 29 09:11
oiaohmsystemd was taken on board by debian with the possiblity of forking it in future if required.Jul 29 09:11
MinceRupstart abuses signalsJul 29 09:11
cubexyzAIX is sysvinit too yes?Jul 29 09:11
MinceRsystemd is basically a collection of design flawsJul 29 09:12
cubexyzI think IBM knows a thing or two Jul 29 09:12
oiaohmSorry MinceR systemd is not that big of a collection of design flaws.Jul 29 09:12
msb_This is the lie spread by big Pharma and the govt:  " laetrile is a highly toxic product that has not shown any effect on treating cancer"Jul 29 09:12
MinceRit has no scope or cohesion, its code is nearly undocumented and unreadable, it's full of unchecked null pointer dereferencesJul 29 09:12
oiaohmIf systemd is stripped back and not allowed feature creap.   Ie taken back to its core its quite a good design.Jul 29 09:12
MinceRit does lots of things in PID1 as root that neither PID1 nor processes running as root should ever doJul 29 09:13
oiaohmNot exactly.Jul 29 09:13
oiaohmMinceR: do you know what systemd in fact runs as PID1Jul 29 09:13
oiaohmPlease be sure of what PID1.Jul 29 09:13
MinceRi don't, the code is an unholy messJul 29 09:13
MinceRbut it's all tightly coupledJul 29 09:13
MinceRso it doesn't really matterJul 29 09:13
oiaohmLinux kernel has 2 defines of PID1.Jul 29 09:13
MinceRit's just like the microsoft school of kernel designJul 29 09:14
oiaohmNopJul 29 09:14
MinceRsystemd apologists wield dependencies as weaponsJul 29 09:14
oiaohmThe claim of tightly coupled is very wrong.Jul 29 09:14
oiaohmlibudev is removable.Jul 29 09:14
MinceRthey've used gnome to foist systemd on debian and othersJul 29 09:14
oiaohmSame with logindJul 29 09:14
MinceRnow they're using their distros to force kdbus into the kernelJul 29 09:15
cubexyzcan you switch from systemd to a different init system easily?Jul 29 09:15
MinceRyou can'tJul 29 09:15
msb_Now I know when I will switch to systemd!  When I get a computer with 1024 cores!Jul 29 09:15
cubexyze.g. apt-get remove systemdJul 29 09:15
MinceRsystemd comes with at least half of an OSJul 29 09:15
oiaohmMinceR: stop over claiming.Jul 29 09:15
MinceRi know when i will switch to systemdJul 29 09:15
cubexyzso if you can't remove it it is tightly coupled yes?Jul 29 09:15
msb_and lots of apps that now depend on itJul 29 09:15
MinceRwhen i switch to windows.Jul 29 09:15
MinceRalso, systemd is deliberately designed to make it difficult for independent users/developers to change or replaceJul 29 09:16
cubexyzso all the AIX and HP-UX devs are wrong too?Jul 29 09:16
cubexyznot likelyJul 29 09:16
oiaohmNo there is more a issue with debian that key things like consolekit has not been updated.Jul 29 09:16
msb_Should be about year 2045.Jul 29 09:17
oiaohmcubexyz: AIX does not use sysvinit it uses another init that avoids the PID trap.Jul 29 09:17
cubexyzoiaohm, what's it called?Jul 29 09:17
oiaohmcubexyz: AIX initJul 29 09:18
MinceRnot updating "key things" is preferable to hijacking the entire OSJul 29 09:18
oiaohmYes it has it own init that is sysvinit config compadible but wraps like openrc does.Jul 29 09:18
oiaohm HP-UX just dies when it runs to the end of the PID count.Jul 29 09:18
oiaohmcubexyz: the reality is only systems that have unique PID numbers other than Linux have been using sysvinit.Jul 29 09:19
cubexyzso init 1 is single user mode?Jul 29 09:19
cubexyzand all the commands are the same?Jul 29 09:20
oiaohmcubexyz: all the commands are the same its like you with upstart you don't notice the difference unless you really look.Jul 29 09:20
msb_oiaohm: HP-UX dies after 32K process starts?Jul 29 09:20
oiaohmmsb_: Yep I fork bomb crashes HP-UX in 1994Jul 29 09:21
oiaohmmsb_: that way.Jul 29 09:21
msb_Linux certainly doesn't.  It keeps recycling the unused PIDs.Jul 29 09:21
oiaohmmsb_: the recycling of PIDs is why sysvinit and Linux don't get along.Jul 29 09:22
MinceRthey still get along better than systemd and linuxJul 29 09:22
msb_I know because I renice Firefox, mencoder and mplayer by PID in order to record TV and play x265s.Jul 29 09:22
cubexyzoiaohm, I always wondered why Unix didn't protect against resource exhaustionJul 29 09:23
MinceR(Linux -- soon to be called 'systemd-kernel')Jul 29 09:23
cubexyzit didn't seem too hard of a problem to fixJul 29 09:23
MinceR(or is that 'systemd-kerneld'?)Jul 29 09:23
msb_Or Lennix.Jul 29 09:23
MinceR"Lennix" seems to imply that it has something to do with unix :>Jul 29 09:24
oiaohmcubexyz: PID recycling and other clean up come in systems designed that resource exhaustion has to be worried about.Jul 29 09:24
cubexyzoiaohm, why does Unix allocate a core part of memory for the OS?Jul 29 09:24
oiaohmThe fact sysvinit is broken by design and a lot of other competting inits copied the sysvinit mistake of PID.Jul 29 09:24
cubexyzwhy in the world does it swap out everything insteadJul 29 09:24
oiaohmLeaves us today with such a limited choice.Jul 29 09:25
cubexyzthe user can just open more and more programs infinitely until the system crashesJul 29 09:25
cubexyzI thought that was sillyJul 29 09:25
oiaohmMinceR: I would like to be able to list more init systems than systemd and openrc as tracking services correctly.Jul 29 09:25
MinceRoiaohm: such as the ones that insist on daemons not forking?Jul 29 09:26
cubexyzulimit -u 16384 is a startJul 29 09:26
cubexyzor even 8192Jul 29 09:26
oiaohmMinceR: a hacked program can always fork.Jul 29 09:26
msb_I would rather have a simpler system that crashes once a year than a far more complicated one.Jul 29 09:26
MinceRoiaohm: if your system was broken into, losing track of your daemons is the least of your worries.Jul 29 09:26
oiaohmMinceR: depends what user was broken into.Jul 29 09:27
oiaohmAnd it is early detection.Jul 29 09:27
cubexyzoiaohm, for example the OS could say ok firefox you can use up to 75% of the memory in the system before I stop allocating you more memoryJul 29 09:27
oiaohmsystemd can enforce syscall filters.   So it can in fact run no fork deamons.Jul 29 09:27
oiaohmsame with openrcJul 29 09:28
oiaohmcubexyz: cgroups(linux) and zones(solaris) can apply limits like 75 percent of memory can only be allocated to this process group.Jul 29 09:29
oiaohmcubexyz: and not a bit more.Jul 29 09:29
msb_I just look at the system monitor from time to time, and if firefox is using too much cpu I kill and restart it.  Stick shift instead of automatic.Jul 29 09:29
cubexyzok, but it would be nice if the OS stopped it firstJul 29 09:29
oiaohmcubexyz: appling the limits you are talking about is why cgroups and zones were made.Jul 29 09:30
msb_No, limiting firefox would break it.Jul 29 09:30
oiaohmmsb_: I have limited firefox.Jul 29 09:30
cubexyzthere's the OOM killerJul 29 09:30
MinceRcubexyz: afaik the only ways to limit that result in terminating firefox, thoughJul 29 09:30
oiaohmMinceR: not true.Jul 29 09:31
cubexyzMinceR, how about close all tabs except one if memory gets full?Jul 29 09:31
oiaohmcgroups can in fact tell the kernel to return null when memory is full.Jul 29 09:31
MinceRwell, if you can make firefox do that, that's niceJul 29 09:31
oiaohmand firefox gets interesting when it sees that.Jul 29 09:31
MinceRbut i doubt that the kernel refusing to give it more pages would result in thatJul 29 09:31
oiaohmYes releasing memory.Jul 29 09:31
oiaohmYou know those 30 pages you browsed past that it has still image rendered.Jul 29 09:32
msb_I'd rather quit it and restart it myself.  Better chance to keep all my 500 tabs and 10,000 bookmarks.Jul 29 09:32
MinceRi've moved most of my tabs to directoriesJul 29 09:32
oiaohmmsb_: firefox will take out rendered images of pages first.Jul 29 09:32
MinceRi manage them with a set of shell functions that use wget to fetch the pagesJul 29 09:32
oiaohmmsb_: so doing this you don't loss settings.Jul 29 09:32
oiaohmmsb_: having oom killer run on the other hand you might loss settings.Jul 29 09:32
msb_I just need to go through the tabs and eliminate ones I no longer need.Jul 29 09:33
oiaohmmsb_: No that is not how firefox render cache works.Jul 29 09:33
cubexyzI mean don't let firefox eat all memory, it seems like a no-brainerJul 29 09:33
cubexyzff can't have 100% of the memoryJul 29 09:33
msb_It doesn't eat all of my memory.  It eats all of the cpu.Jul 29 09:34
MinceRdisabling flash and having NoScript and AdBlock Plus block crap helpsJul 29 09:34
msb_Already do most of that.Jul 29 09:35
cubexyzyes, I do the same thing you do... I kill ff if the system lags too muchJul 29 09:35
msb_I do it when the cpu usage graph gets all humpy.Jul 29 09:35
cubexyzin CS it's called thrashingJul 29 09:35
MinceRi restart ff if it uses too much memoryJul 29 09:36
oiaohmmsb_: is also about limiting cpu usage.Jul 29 09:37
oiaohmIts one of the first things you notice after using openrc and systemd for a while.Jul 29 09:38
cubexyzCPU is usually just sitting there waiting for dataJul 29 09:38
oiaohmThat alt-f1 to termianl to login to kill crap works a lot better.Jul 29 09:38
msb_I think thrashing would be going to swap.  It doesn't do that.  It stays in RAM but keeps thinking about all the page changes I've done since restart.Jul 29 09:38
oiaohmBecause the cgroup of users has broken cpu allocation per user.Jul 29 09:38
oiaohmSo 1 user cannot stave everyone else out.Jul 29 09:39
cubexyznew computer design:Jul 29 09:39
oiaohmYou can also tune OOM Killer to only go after the user who has consumed everthing.Jul 29 09:40
cubexyzwith two kinds of memoryJul 29 09:40
cubexyz1 gigabyte of ram for firefoxJul 29 09:40
MinceRlolJul 29 09:40
cubexyz1 gigabyte of ram for everything elseJul 29 09:40
MinceRmy idea was to set aside a computer for the web browserJul 29 09:40
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MinceRof course, the "modern" web would have to be unfucked or replaced with something sane for a real solutionJul 29 09:40
cubexyzyou could have OS ram and application ramJul 29 09:41
MinceRthe current mess of specs are probably impossible to implement with a non-bloated, non-leaking, sane web browserJul 29 09:41
MinceRi have Osram LED bulbs, does that count? :>Jul 29 09:41
cubexyzI bet mainframes can do thatJul 29 09:41
oiaohmMinceR: non leaking is possible.Jul 29 09:42
MinceRjust not even nearly easyJul 29 09:42
oiaohmMinceR: but that is using sandboxing to terminate the page when the user leaves it.Jul 29 09:43
oiaohmYes the process that renders the page be exterminated.Jul 29 09:43
oiaohmLeak proof browser is possible its just not going to be cpu friendly.Jul 29 09:43
MinceRyet even sandboxing didn't do the things people expectedJul 29 09:43
MinceRit is reported that chrome handles many tabs very badlyJul 29 09:44
MinceR(i don't know, as it was way too crash-prone on my PCs to get there)Jul 29 09:44
oiaohmchome shared items like flash plugins.Jul 29 09:44
oiaohmSo no a pure limited that everything in page was rendered in the 1 sandbox.Jul 29 09:45
MinceRnpapi, the new api, or both?Jul 29 09:45
oiaohmBothJul 29 09:45
cubexyzyou can tell firefox to never remember historyJul 29 09:45
cubexyzthat might helpJul 29 09:45
oiaohmcubexyz: that is the thing.Jul 29 09:46
oiaohmto be leak proof also means losing things like history.Jul 29 09:46
oiaohmSo a true private browser.Jul 29 09:47
MinceRlittle things nobody would miss? :>Jul 29 09:47
oiaohmMinceR: people who used single log-on would be hit as well opening multi tabsJul 29 09:47
oiaohmMinceR: its like the hell trying to implement copy paste securely.Jul 29 09:49
MinceRadd to that that no sandbox is perfectJul 29 09:49
oiaohmWhen it comes to memory tracking and its not hacked that is something sandboxs can do.Jul 29 09:50
cubexyzI think you can even turn of the memory cacheJul 29 09:50
oiaohmIf you were asking me to make a system that you cannot break out of the sandbox and hack the system that is kinda impossible.Jul 29 09:50
cubexyzoffJul 29 09:50
cubexyzsure it's possible... read-only OSJul 29 09:51
cubexyzyou can't alter it :)Jul 29 09:51
MinceRyou could unplug everything, remove all batteries, encase the computer in a metal box without holes, then encase that in a big block of concreteJul 29 09:52
MinceRthen you'd finally have a secure systemJul 29 09:52
oiaohmcubexyz: you would have missed this one canvas.image.cache.limitJul 29 09:54
msb_If the OS limited the amount of cpu that ff could use, then every time ff slowed down I'd have to figure out if it was being limited or if my connection had slowed down.  My way, one glance at sysmon tells me.Jul 29 09:54
oiaohmcubexyz: that limit that is normally set 0 that is unlimited is the number of page images firefox can store.Jul 29 09:54
oiaohmcubexyz: in megsJul 29 09:54
oiaohmSome of firefox default settings are evil.Jul 29 09:55
cubexyzI don't see tahtJul 29 09:55
cubexyzI see image.cache.size Jul 29 09:55
cubexyzand it's value is 5242880Jul 29 09:56
msb_I would rather have more readouts, scopes meters on my machines Jul 29 09:56
msb_and control them manually.Jul 29 09:56
cubexyzisn't there a way to limit a process from using 100% of cpu?Jul 29 09:57
msb_I would never fly in an airliner with one-button avionics.Jul 29 09:57
cubexyznice it or somethingJul 29 09:58
oiaohmcubexyz: to prevent a process taking 100% cpu place in a cgroup and set limit.Jul 29 09:58
oiaohmcubexyz: that is for Linux and solaris is use zones.   BSd is use jails.Jul 29 09:58
msb_I do nice FF when I'm recording avi from TV or watching x265.Jul 29 09:58
msb_I'm driving an old jalopy but I like it!Jul 29 09:59
msb_Maybe when devuan is ready for primetime I'll spend a grand and build an 8-core AMD box.Jul 29 10:00
cubexyzI thought you had that alreadyJul 29 10:00
msb_Nope.  That's what I was recommending for you.  AMD FX8350Jul 29 10:01
oiaohmmsb_: nice  on chrome would not have worked.   And will not in future on Linux.Jul 29 10:01
oiaohmNice is a per linux kernel define of a PID applied value.Jul 29 10:01
msb_Because you can't play x265s, maybe not even big x264sJul 29 10:01
oiaohmSo something opens up 10000 thread it gets the nice value times 10000Jul 29 10:02
msb_I can, it just requires nicing.Jul 29 10:02
oiaohmmsb_: nice is applied per thread.Jul 29 10:02
oiaohmcgroup is applied per bundle of processes.Jul 29 10:02
oiaohmThat is under LinuxJul 29 10:03
cubexyzif ff uses 100% cpu for more than 60 seconds kill itJul 29 10:03
cubexyzis there a way to do that?Jul 29 10:03
msb_It doesn't use 100%, more like 90%.Jul 29 10:03
msb_And I want to decide when to kill it.Jul 29 10:03
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cubexyzI know, I shall write a new program that does it... and it will be called systemd!Jul 29 10:03
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cubexyzj/kJul 29 10:04
msb_That will kill everything!Jul 29 10:04
cubexyztoo much killJul 29 10:04
MinceRkill kill kill killJul 29 10:05
msb_Kill for the love of killing!  Kill for the love of Kali Linux!Jul 29 10:05
cubexyzreal time operating systems don't freeze upJul 29 10:05
cubexyzyour system stays responsiveJul 29 10:05
MinceRthere are RT patches for LinuxJul 29 10:06
cubexyzis there a distro for lazy people? :)Jul 29 10:06
MinceRif there is, i haven't found it yetJul 29 10:06
cubexyzthere's ChronOS LinuxJul 29 10:06
cubexyznot sure if that's a complete distro thoughJul 29 10:07
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msb_My system stays responsive.  The only time it didn't was when it got caught up in the KDE4 semantic analyzer.  I had to make it non-executable.Jul 29 10:09
msb_Maybe it was trying to semantically analyze audios and videos.  8^)Jul 29 10:11
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MinceRhttps://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=793932Jul 29 11:47
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | today's howtos | Tux MachinesJul 29 11:59
TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     today's leftovers http://t.co/oVjWViqwyUJul 29 11:59
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MinceRhttps://twitter.com/___discovery/status/626327366848106496/photo/1Jul 29 12:33
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@___discovery: Something happened while trying to install #Windows10 https://t.co/xErI5zyBNw http://t.co/pweJtrUPgCJul 29 12:33
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights--> imgur.com | Oh good - ImgurJul 29 12:33
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@___discovery: Something happened while trying to install #Windows10 https://t.co/xErI5zyBNw http://t.co/pweJtrUPgCJul 29 12:33
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schestowitzhttps://twitter.com/SleepyPenguin1/status/626438959644737536Jul 29 13:21
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@SleepyPenguin1: Where do want to go tomorrow ? Windows 10: Here are the privacy issues you should know about @ruskin147 @schestowitz http://t.co/TzXAvIcSGuJul 29 13:21
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MinceRhttps://imgur.com/s274w4EJul 29 13:22
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-imgur.com | 4chan on Windows10 - ImgurJul 29 13:22
TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     Today in Techrights http://t.co/0chrMDmuU7Jul 29 13:26
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Today in Techrights | Tux MachinesJul 29 13:26
TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     Snappy Ubuntu Core 15.04 Gets a Second StableJul 29 13:26
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TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     NVidia's Tegra X1 does well on LinuxJul 29 13:26
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TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     Remix Mini Is the First Android PC, RunsJul 29 13:26
TweetTuxMachines                 Lollipop-Based Remix OS http://t.co/Rrm4ErtP3AJul 29 13:26
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Remix Mini Is the First Android PC, Runs Lollipop-Based Remix OS | Tux MachinesJul 29 13:26
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TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     Battle of the sub-$450 Android phones: ZTE AxonJul 29 14:32
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TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     OpenDaylight dawn: Open-source software definedJul 29 14:32
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schestowitzhttps://joindiaspora.com/posts/6401633Jul 29 15:02
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: This week I saw an idiot in the jacuzzi who brought his phone with him (powerful phone) to take selfies. I hope he wins Darwin Award.Jul 29 15:02
schestowitz"I really dislike selfies, but I think dropping a phone into a bathtub would be harmless for people."Jul 29 15:02
schestowitznot just to the user, but others around the user.... in this case.Jul 29 15:03
schestowitzhttps://joindiaspora.com/posts/6400102Jul 29 15:03
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: To understand why poaching #CecilTheLion is big deal in #Zimbabwe imagine media reaction in US if Zimbabwean in US murdered Trump for 'fun'Jul 29 15:03
schestowitz"I can bet many people would not mind at all."Jul 29 15:03
schestowitzCorporate media would moanJul 29 15:03
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schestowitzhttps://joindiaspora.com/posts/6399886Jul 29 15:05
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: #Ubuntu Software Center Is Really Hated by the Community, but Why? http://news.softpedia.com/news/ubuntu-software-center-is-really-hated-by-community-but-why-487990.shtml well-documented controversyJul 29 15:05
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights--> news.softpedia.com | Ubuntu Software Center Is Really Hated by the Community, but Why? - Softpedia [ http://ur1.ca/napxj ]Jul 29 15:05
schestowitz"Yeah, I never use it either. It is resource intensive and full of advertising. I like the Lubuntu Software Center better, but usually just use APT from the command line."Jul 29 15:05
schestowitz"Web search plus apt means I know what I’m getting into. Software centers? It’s hard for them to be as good."Jul 29 15:05
schestowitzhttps://joindiaspora.com/posts/6400465Jul 29 15:06
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: My wife is extremely distraught over #CecilTheLion (a lot more than me).It's only now I realise media refusing to cover it caused ignorance.Jul 29 15:06
schestowitz"I remember a post titled “Killing a lion is the most cowardly thing you can do.”"Jul 29 15:06
schestowitz"I saw that too. But plenty of stuff on Diaspora* isn’t covered by the mainstream media."Jul 29 15:07
schestowitzI remember that one...Jul 29 15:07
schestowitzhttps://joindiaspora.com/posts/6400554Jul 29 15:08
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: Poaching is a rich people's 'sport'. Only psychopaths can sleep well at night after doing that. In the #uk watch who does #foxHuntingJul 29 15:08
schestowitz"originally, hunting was a way for peasants to sustain themselves, before the enclosure movement made all land into property, declared wild hunting illegal, which drove the peasants into the cities as cheap workforce for the new industrial factories"Jul 29 15:08
schestowitzhttps://joindiaspora.com/posts/6400371Jul 29 15:12
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: So if you 'upgrade' (for 'free') to #vista10 you lose access to 'free' Solitaire, which now spies on you (for ads) http://www.zdnet.com/article/want-to-remove-the-ads-from-solitaire-in-windows-10-thatll-be-1-49-a-month/Jul 29 15:12
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights--> www.zdnet.com | Want to remove the ads from Solitaire in Windows 10? That'll be $1.49 a month | ZDNet [ http://ur1.ca/na8zt ]Jul 29 15:12
schestowitz"Jul 29 15:12
schestowitzhttp://sourceforge.net/projects/pysolfc/Jul 29 15:12
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-sourceforge.net | PySolFC download | SourceForge.netJul 29 15:12
schestowitzI’m seriiously having concerns about the sanity of Microsoft users - in so far as total ignorance isn’t the explanation.Jul 29 15:12
schestowitz"Jul 29 15:12
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abeNd-orgcant say i have ever actually played any of those included windows games, except that pinball they had in win98Jul 29 15:21
TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     Ubuntu Touch Finally Gets a Regression Fix forJul 29 15:56
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schestowitzhttps://joindiaspora.com/posts/6399555Jul 29 16:22
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: Dice: "The Company… has not successfully leveraged the #Slashdot user base." http://arstechnica.com/information-technology/2015/07/dhi-group-plans-to-sell-off-slashdot-and-sourceforge/ leveraged?!Jul 29 16:22
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights--> arstechnica.com | DHI Group plans to sell off Slashdot and Sourceforge | Ars Technica [ http://ur1.ca/nai44 ]Jul 29 16:22
schestowitz"I’ll give a try to Soylent news before being leveraged."Jul 29 16:22
schestowitzLeveraged and DICED.Jul 29 16:23
schestowitzhttps://joindiaspora.com/posts/6399642Jul 29 16:23
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: 2009: Tesco Recommends Vista “Due to Endorsement Money Paid to Tesco from Microsoft” http://techrights.org/2009/06/12/tesco-lies-for-ms-cash/ #currys does this too now. #spamJul 29 16:23
schestowitz"I wonder if there is someone that endorses Microsoft for free."Jul 29 16:23
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schestowitzDaemonFC is baaackJul 29 16:56
DaemonFCYeah. I've been busy. Jul 29 16:58
schestowitzthat's jono's lineJul 29 17:00
schestowitzhttp://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2015/07/29/ferguson-prisoner-beaten-by-cops-has-won-his-appeal.html #police said "destruction of property because he bled on their uniforms"Jul 29 17:03
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.thedailybeast.com | Ferguson Prisoner Beaten by Cops Has Won His Appeal - The Daily Beast [ http://ur1.ca/narbm ]Jul 29 17:03
DaemonFCHmm.Jul 29 17:03
DaemonFCI just got an update for my Galaxy S6.Jul 29 17:03
DaemonFCThat's been happening a lot.Jul 29 17:03
DaemonFCGood god.Jul 29 17:05
DaemonFC"Previous Windows installations: 19.7 GB"Jul 29 17:05
XRevan86DaemonFC: On Galaxy S6?Jul 29 17:05
DaemonFCNo.Jul 29 17:06
DaemonFCI just upgraded Windows 8.1 to Windows 10.Jul 29 17:06
DaemonFCIt also left 3.7 GB of upgrade files behind.Jul 29 17:06
DaemonFCMessy. :PJul 29 17:06
XRevan86Oh, Windows 10 user. Good, I mean bad.Jul 29 17:06
XRevan86DaemonFC: https://reddit.com/r/Windows10/comments/31rxsv/disable_keylogger_windows_10Jul 29 17:06
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.reddit.com | Disable KeyLogger Windows 10 : Windows10 [ http://ur1.ca/narda ]Jul 29 17:06
XRevan86can you confirm this?Jul 29 17:06
XRevan86on the release versionJul 29 17:07
XRevan86Or maybe I was informed wrong and keylogger is not activated in the release.Jul 29 17:07
DaemonFCThere's an option during setup that asks if you want it to send your typing and voice data to Microsoft to improve the quality of suggestions.Jul 29 17:07
DaemonFCI turned that to "off".Jul 29 17:07
XRevan86DaemonFC: ahJul 29 17:07
DaemonFCIt's kind of creepy that it would be able to do that and asks, and that it defaults to "on".Jul 29 17:07
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DaemonFCProbably one of those things where if they get sued later they want to say "It's not our fault that you didn't answer yes or not to 30 questions and used the default options button!".Jul 29 17:08
XRevan86DaemonFC: Used must be prepared to never touch the "defaults" button :).Jul 29 17:10
XRevan86DaemonFC: Installers of Windows applications do the same.Jul 29 17:10
XRevan86"Oh, you wanted to leave defaults? Okay, then get the Comodo browser, the panel for Internet Explorer, a system cleaner and a custom homepage"Jul 29 17:11
schestowitzhttp://www.theregister.co.uk/2014/10/14/windows_10_privacy_controversy_sysadmin_blog/Jul 29 17:11
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.theregister.co.uk | Windows 10: Forget Cloudobile, put Security and Privacy First • The Register [ http://ur1.ca/narfi ]Jul 29 17:11
schestowitzhttp://thenextweb.com/microsoft/2015/07/29/wind-nos/Jul 29 17:11
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-thenextweb.com | Windows 10? Here are privacy issues you should consider [ http://ur1.ca/narfn ]Jul 29 17:11
schestowitzhttps://edri.org/microsofts-new-small-print-how-your-personal-data-abused/Jul 29 17:11
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-SSL connect error ( status 0 @ https://edri.org/microsofts-new-small-print-how-your-personal-data-abused/ )Jul 29 17:11
schestowitzhttps://plus.google.com/+JohnMcKenzie/posts/KFG3PWHrYHu Jul 29 17:12
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-plus.google.com | Just remember folks - upgrading to Windows 10 -  Asimov/CEIP/WER (MS' real time… [ http://ur1.ca/nakpj ]Jul 29 17:12
schestowitzhttp://techrights.org/wiki/index.php/Vista_10_Reality_Log http://techrights.org/wiki/index.php/Microsoft_and_the_NSAJul 29 17:12
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Vista 10 Reality Log - Techrights [ http://ur1.ca/nadnk ]Jul 29 17:12
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Microsoft and the NSA - Techrights [ http://ur1.ca/g1zod ]Jul 29 17:12
schestowitz"By default, when signing into Windows with a Microsoft account, Windows syncs some of your settings and data with Microsoft servers, for example “web browser history, favorites, and websites you have open” as well as “saved app, website, mobile hotspot, and Wi-Fi network names and passwords”. Users can however deactivate this transfer to the Microsoft servers by changing their settings."Jul 29 17:13
schestowitz"The problem is that both Microsoft and the US government have lost the trust of the general populace. Discovering borderline technologies incorporated into Windows 10's technical preview (like the built-in keylogger of ultimate controversy) simply serves as a catalyst for concerned citizens to ask the questions that have been bothering them for some time."Jul 29 17:13
schestowitz"Sign into Windows with your Microsoft account and the operating system immediately syncs settings and data to the company’s servers. That includes your browser history, favorites and the websites you currently have open as well as saved app, website and mobile hotspot passwords and Wi-Fi network names and passwords."Jul 29 17:13
schestowitzSounds like the NSA will be happyJul 29 17:13
schestowitzgot all your passwordsJul 29 17:13
schestowitzMS doesn't even try to PRETEND to care about privacyJul 29 17:13
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schestowitzjust lip services for summiesJul 29 17:14
schestowitz*dummiesJul 29 17:14
schestowitzwho don't read EULA, news, etc.Jul 29 17:14
schestowitzthankfully many CIOs/CTOs mightJul 29 17:14
schestowitzand I don't foresee govs adopting this craJul 29 17:14
schestowitzthey'll consider gnu/linuxJul 29 17:14
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schestowitzI'm being trolled by FOUR 'security' developers from Microsoft todayJul 29 17:15
schestowitzthey don't respond with any substanceJul 29 17:15
schestowitzjust ad hominem against me and othersJul 29 17:15
schestowitzwhich says a lot...Jul 29 17:15
MinceRthey don't have anything else to doJul 29 17:15
MinceRthey're "security" "developers" at m$, after allJul 29 17:15
schestowitz"Stolen's a strong word. it's copyrighted content that the owner wasn't paid for."ill Gates, June 2006Jul 29 17:16
schestowitzBill who watches copyrighted movies on youtubeJul 29 17:16
schestowitzand publicly admitted to itJul 29 17:16
MinceRlolJul 29 17:16
schestowitz"David Smith commented that Gartner will not bash MS if MS chooses to slip Vista."Jul 29 17:17
MinceRthe tune changes when bill believes he was slightedJul 29 17:17
schestowitzJamin Spilzer, MicrosoftJul 29 17:17
MinceRthe biggest criminals have the right to do anythingJul 29 17:17
MinceRand the slaves get to give everything they haveJul 29 17:17
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schestowitz[root@techrights httpd]# Jul 29 17:19
schestowitzAt this pace, we might have the busiest week perhaps ever...Jul 29 17:19
schestowitzor in recent yearsJul 29 17:20
schestowitz3.5 days at the back end heading towards 330mbJul 29 17:20
schestowitzthe cache server does the vast majority, at around 1.6 GB/hourJul 29 17:20
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schestowitzI think MS is getting a bad reputationJul 29 17:21
schestowitzand I think they know they lose the battle over mindsJul 29 17:21
schestowitzwhich is why they lay off and lose moneyJul 29 17:21
schestowitzthey pay twitter now to promote their garbageJul 29 17:21
schestowitzbut people push back with rants about vista 10Jul 29 17:21
abeNd-orgonly end user rants i have heard so far have been people with 1366x768 screens, UI issuesJul 29 17:23
DaemonFCI don't really like the new start menu.Jul 29 17:25
DaemonFCIt's still way too pushy about wanting you to run "Modern" apps.Jul 29 17:25
MinceRi'm not m$'s or crApple's or redcrap's target audienceJul 29 17:25
MinceRthey design their products for idiotsJul 29 17:26
abeNd-orgas a consultant that has to support ms (as well as linux/mac/mobile devices/etc) id sure like to see all the windows boxes moved to win10, at least it would be one platform to supportJul 29 17:28
schestowitzbut it's not best for youJul 29 17:29
schestowitzbroken windows theoryJul 29 17:29
schestowitzif there's more work to do, you might get more work. That's what windows can be "good" for...Jul 29 17:29
schestowitz"job creation" through "broken windows" economyJul 29 17:30
MinceRuntil you lose that work because general purpose computers were outlawed and replaced by telescreens where you can do nothing locallyJul 29 17:30
MinceRand the server side is in the techno-fascists' handsJul 29 17:31
abeNd-orgid rather support just 10 rather than 2000/xp/7/8/81 (none of the hundreds of customers has vista)Jul 29 17:31
MinceRbreaking the world for someone else's benefit, like redcrap is doingJul 29 17:31
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XRevan86abeNd-org: But Windows 7 and "newer" are pretty much the same.Jul 29 17:31
abeNd-orgthe OS itself I dont mind, some of the weird cruft that goes along with it like https://edri.org/microsofts-new-small-print-how-your-personal-data-abused/ is needlessJul 29 17:31
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-SSL connect error ( status 0 @ https://edri.org/microsofts-new-small-print-how-your-personal-data-abused/ )Jul 29 17:31
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DaemonFCWell, that was a crash.Jul 29 17:33
abeNd-orgXRevan86: kinda sorta, but with 7pro you dont get bitlocker, 8pro you do, 10pro you do, so id like everyone on 10pro (or enterprise if they have the licensing). those that can use linux do, but with the business apps thats far & few between. plenty of linux server side thoughJul 29 17:33
DaemonFCI went to uninstall something that had a helper in Windows Explorer, and it brought down the shell.Jul 29 17:33
XRevan86abeNd-org: Is there anyone who uses BitLocker?Jul 29 17:33
abeNd-orgXRevan86: we have a good amount of clients that have machines with TPM & use bitlocker, it isnt 100% foolproof, but still better than letting users run with bare laptop drivesJul 29 17:34
XRevan86There are LibreCrypt, CipherShed, VeraCryptJul 29 17:35
XRevan86Why would anybody want to use BitLocker?Jul 29 17:35
MinceRand vista and vista7 are also pretty much the sameJul 29 17:35
MinceRexcept in marketing, of courseJul 29 17:35
MinceRXRevan86: because they don't know anything about security and believe the hype about Treacherous ComputingJul 29 17:36
abeNd-orgXRevan86: because it can be controlled via gpo (easier management than most other alternatives), & it is built in. those alternatives are fine for individuals, but when you are trying to manage it on multiple computers it doesnt scale wellJul 29 17:36
MinceRor they might also believe the hype about storage devices that allegedly encrypt themselves and use those insteadJul 29 17:36
MinceRbackdoors in windows, backdoors in the TPM, backdoors in the storage deviceJul 29 17:37
abeNd-orgbackdoors into everything, but still better than bareJul 29 17:37
MinceRmost users are ignorant of Kerckhoffs's principleJul 29 17:37
DaemonFCI actually gained a few GB of free space on my SSD compared with Windows 8 after that.Jul 29 17:37
DaemonFCMicrosoft uses NTFS file and folder compression on some Windows files now.Jul 29 17:37
MinceRso they accept these kinds of untrustworthy snake oilJul 29 17:37
msb__MinceR: YOU WILL LOVE TELESCREENJul 29 17:39
MinceRwell, if i get the right drugs and conditioning, i probably willJul 29 17:39
MinceRbut i will probably die before that worksJul 29 17:39
DaemonFCIt installed an app called "Get Microsoft Office". I removed it with the add/remove programs applet. :P Jul 29 17:41
DaemonFCI already have LibreOffice installed on the computer and it doesn't cost several hundred dollars. Jul 29 17:42
MinceRlolJul 29 17:42
MinceRsuch a useful piece of software, "Get Microsoft Office"Jul 29 17:42
MinceRto "get" an application, you must first have another application so you can "get" it with thatJul 29 17:43
MinceRi await the announcement of the "Get Get Microsoft Office" application with bated breathJul 29 17:43
DaemonFCMinceR, What it does is it either takes you to a site where you can buy it and then downloads and install it, or you can type in the license key from a card that you bought at Walmart or somewhere, and then it downloads and installs it.Jul 29 17:45
abeNd-orgcripes im getting these google business listing calls almost daily nowJul 29 17:45
abeNd-orgi cant get these buggers to stop calling meJul 29 17:46
MinceRDaemonFC: you totally need an application for thatJul 29 17:46
MinceRand of course, to install "Get Get Microsoft Office", i will first need to install "Get Get Get Microsoft Office"Jul 29 17:48
XRevan86"Oracle Get OpenOffice"Jul 29 17:48
abeNd-orglibreoffice5 is sounding promising, it is supposed to have much better filters for opening msoffice docx type formats? Jul 29 17:49
abeNd-orgi think that is the main issue a business would have when using libreoffice vs msoffice, document formatting gets butchered Jul 29 17:49
MinceRthat's a losing battleJul 29 17:50
MinceRm$ will just keep changing the formatJul 29 17:50
MinceRalso, the whole paradigm is brokenJul 29 17:50
DaemonFCApparently, one command in the Mac OS terminal app gets you added to the sudoers file without needing a password. :)Jul 29 17:55
DaemonFCIn OS X 10.10. Jul 29 17:55
DaemonFCIt bypasses the "system file protection" feature, and even enables sudo rm -rf /Jul 29 17:55
abeNd-orgDaemonFC: & i love how the apple users are such "apple products are perfect & have no security issues" zealots, even these daysJul 29 17:56
MinceRyeah, that's crApple "security" for youJul 29 17:56
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DaemonFChttp://www.theregister.co.uk/2015/07/22/os_x_root_hole/Jul 29 18:01
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.theregister.co.uk | Get root on an OS X 10.10 Mac: The exploit is so trivial it fits in a tweet • The Register [ http://ur1.ca/n7k00 ]Jul 29 18:01
DaemonFCRyan FarmerJul 29 18:07
DaemonFCJust now ·Jul 29 18:07
DaemonFCApparently, Apple may have failed to realize the security implications of allowing arbitrary files to be written to for "debugging" purposes (derp!) and they may have even accidentally fixed it in the 10.11 beta as part of a code cleanup, having never realized the security problem they introduced into 10.10 in the first place.Jul 29 18:07
DaemonFCProgrammers this stupid should never have been allowed to graduate from community college. Where do they get these people?Jul 29 18:07
DaemonFChttps://www.sektioneins.de/en/blog/15-07-07-dyld_print_to_file_lpe.htmlJul 29 18:07
DaemonFC"When Apple changed the dynamic linker code for OS X 10.10 to support the new DYLD_PRINT_TO_FILE environment variable they added the following code directly to the _main function of dyld. As you can see from this code the value of the environment variable is directly used as filename for the opened or created logging file.Jul 29 18:07
DaemonFCThe problem with this code is that it does not come with any safeguards that are required when adding new environment variables to the dynamic linker. Normally for security reasons the dynamic linker should reject all environvent variables passed to it in case of restricted files. This is automatically handled when new environment variables are added to the processDyldEnvironmentVariable() function. However in the DYLD_PRINT_TO_FILE case Jul 29 18:07
DaemonFCthe code was directly added to the _main function of dyld.Jul 29 18:07
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.sektioneins.de | OS X 10.10 DYLD_PRINT_TO_FILE Local Privilege Escalation Vulnerability | SektionEins GmbH [ http://ur1.ca/nas4h ]Jul 29 18:07
DaemonFCBecause of this oversight dyld will accept DYLD_PRINT_TO_FILE even for restricted binaries, like SUID root binaries. This is obviously a problem, because it allows the creation or opening (for writing) of any file in the filesystem. And because the log file is never closed by dyld and the file is not openes with the close on exec flag the opened file descriptor is inherited by child processes of SUID binaries. This can be easily exploited Jul 29 18:07
DaemonFCfor privilege escalation.Jul 29 18:07
DaemonFCApple has fixed this vulnerability in the OS X 10.11 beta by moving the code for the DYLD_PRINT_TO_FILE (and another new environment variable) to the processDyldEnvironmentVariable() function, which automatically protects them. This might however be the result of a code cleanup and not based on realizing the security implications. However if this is the result of a security fix then Apple has once again shown how unsupported their current Jul 29 18:07
DaemonFCversions become the moment a new beta is in development."Jul 29 18:07
MinceRhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9YuNpOYfasAJul 29 18:15
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.youtube.com | Thought he played it off well - YouTube [ http://ur1.ca/nas8n ]Jul 29 18:15
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DaemonFC J. R. Bob Dobbs (formerly ZOMG Pink Ponies) says:Jul 29 18:20
DaemonFCThe only people more bonehead stupid than the people writing Apple software are the people using it. Jul 29 18:20
abeNd-orgwere starting to get more customers that love appleJul 29 18:22
abeNd-orgyou can Active directory integrate them, but most of them don't want to, so you have to jump through so many extra hoops to support them, manually map printers, manually map drives, manually install applications, & of course the osx password is usually blank, or the user forgot what they set it toJul 29 18:23
abeNd-orgi really dislike working with osx in the enterpriseJul 29 18:23
abeNd-orgthere are some 3rd party addons that could possibly make it bareable, but they arent cheap, so customers don't want them. Jul 29 18:24
MinceRAD is horribly crap, tooJul 29 18:27
MinceRi had that POS forget my passwordJul 29 18:27
schestowitzhttps://twitter.com/freedomgirl2011/status/626506598148632576Jul 29 18:27
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@freedomgirl2011: The #SamDubose police report is full of falsehoods from Ray Tensing's colleagues: http://t.co/oGQBQSnFar @OccupyTheBronx @schestowitz #OWSJul 29 18:27
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights--> www.slate.com | The Sam Dubose police report is full of falsehoods from Ray Tensing's colleagues.Jul 29 18:27
DaemonFCSounds like the "forgotten password" isn't a problem. Just use the "feature" that allows you to write to files you don't have permission to access, and add yourself as a sudoer, and then run sudo passwd <user> <new password>. B-)Jul 29 18:28
MinceRit was on winblows thoughJul 29 18:28
MinceRand on systems i had no access toJul 29 18:28
MinceR(nor did i have interest in gaining access to them)Jul 29 18:28
abeNd-orgMinceR: cant say ive ever had a well maintained AD or eDirectory install have issues with passwords, but i have seen horribly maintained eDir & AD setups have many problemsJul 29 18:28
MinceRi don't know if it was well maintainedJul 29 18:29
MinceRi don't know if it is even possible to maintain wellJul 29 18:29
abeNd-orgmost arentJul 29 18:29
abeNd-orgthere are powershell scripts to run for maintenance, or in edir's case linux scripts of your choiceJul 29 18:29
abeNd-orgespecially easy to muck it up if you have multiple locations & don't bother doing any setup beyond the defaultJul 29 18:30
abeNd-orgthey give you just enough rope to set up the basics, & then hang yourself if you dont do anything furtherJul 29 18:31
TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     Carrier adds Arduino and MCU hooks to ZynqJul 29 18:31
TweetTuxMachines                 ARM/FPGA COM http://t.co/Eq7jeiJhJ7Jul 29 18:31
TweetTuxMachines                 (www.tuxmachines.org)Jul 29 18:31
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MinceR:>Jul 29 18:31
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Carrier adds Arduino and MCU hooks to Zynq ARM/FPGA COM | Tux MachinesJul 29 18:31
DaemonFCThe thing about trying to run scripts in Mac OS is that they're using an ancient version of bash that has lots of known bugs, and is missing features that allow you to write shorter scripts that do the same function, so you have to rewrite your scripts to make them work on OS X, you have to avoid using any feature added to bash in the last 8 years, and you have to know about several dozen bugs in the features their does support that have Jul 29 18:32
DaemonFCsubsequently been patched on Linux, because you could try to do something perfectly legal and have unintended consequences on Mac. :)Jul 29 18:32
abeNd-orgno clue about running scripts on mac, i try not to work on them, but even though i am the biggest apple hater in the office, I seem to keep getting the tickets to work on themJul 29 18:32
abeNd-orgwe even sent some people to official apple training in NYC, but do they get the tickets...nooo, i do...Jul 29 18:34
MinceRprobably out of spiteJul 29 18:34
DaemonFCI'm lucky that anyone who brings me an Apple computer is going to leave with the advice "Sell it for whatever you can get and buy a device that works.".Jul 29 18:34
MinceRgood advice, though it's getting harder to find a device that worksJul 29 18:36
TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     Will an upgrade to Windows 10 on a dual-bootJul 29 18:36
TweetTuxMachines                 system mess GRUB up? http://t.co/Tk2UIsuijAJul 29 18:36
TweetTuxMachines                 (www.tuxmachines.org)Jul 29 18:36
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Will an upgrade to Windows 10 on a dual-boot system mess GRUB up? | Tux MachinesJul 29 18:36
TweetTuxMachines........................................  http://ur1.ca/nasitJul 29 18:36
TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     An Everyday Linux User Review Of Android x86 -Jul 29 18:36
TweetTuxMachines                 Release 4.4 r3 http://t.co/RTnYhjq99dJul 29 18:36
TweetTuxMachines                 (www.tuxmachines.org)Jul 29 18:36
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | An Everyday Linux User Review Of Android x86 - Release 4.4 r3 | Tux MachinesJul 29 18:36
TweetTuxMachines........................................  http://ur1.ca/nasiuJul 29 18:36
abeNd-organyways, time to go play in trafficJul 29 18:39
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DaemonFCMinceR, My new Galaxy S6 has been a fairly pleasant experience.Jul 29 18:40
DaemonFCThe new firmware update seems to have enabled faster LTE support.Jul 29 18:40
MinceRthat's nice, considering that the S6 is probably the worst phone in the S seriesJul 29 18:40
DaemonFCHow so?Jul 29 18:45
DaemonFCYeah, it has an integrated battery and no SD card support.Jul 29 18:46
DaemonFCThen again, that was already true with my LG G2.Jul 29 18:46
MinceRthey gave up the removable battery and the memory card slot for the sake of a pointless, impractical, fragile fingerprint collector as the backJul 29 18:47
DaemonFCI never really noticed or cared. With a phone, most of the stuff you do involves apps and pushes the actual computing to another computer somewhere over the internet.Jul 29 18:47
MinceRand a frame that blocks radiowaves, in a device where the main point is allegedly communicating via radiowavesJul 29 18:47
DaemonFCSo, with the way this model works, you have an optimal amount of storage and then you reach a point of diminishing returns.Jul 29 18:47
MinceRall this to satisfy the hordes of the crying iDiots who wouldn't buy it anyway because it doesn't have the crApple logo on itJul 29 18:48
DaemonFCOn the Apple side though, the apps anre firmware are way bigger, so having a phone with only 16 GB of local storage isn't even funny anymore.Jul 29 18:48
MinceRwhat's worse, apparently they'll fuck up the note series in the same wayJul 29 18:48
MinceRalso, LG fixed that in the G3Jul 29 18:49
MinceRand kept it that way in the G4Jul 29 18:49
DaemonFCYeah. I was looking at the LG G4.Jul 29 18:50
MinceRso was iJul 29 18:50
DaemonFCThe better processor on the S6 was what ended up deciding that one for me.Jul 29 18:50
MinceRbut i'm hoping they'll add a usb-c port in the G5Jul 29 18:50
MinceRor somethingJul 29 18:50
MinceRso it will be a better replacement for my note II LTE, for which i have a Smart DockJul 29 18:51
DaemonFCSome of these apps are pretty slow. It's probably an issue of developers not optimizing them. Still, having a faster processor that can offload background tasks onto additional cores can only help things.Jul 29 18:51
DaemonFCMinceR, I compared some basic apps between the installed size on Android 5.x and on iOS, and the iOS ones were sometimes three times bigger.Jul 29 18:52
DaemonFCSo, it's pretty clear that the first thing the base model iPhone is going to do is run out of storage and tell you that you have to delete a bunch of your stuff if you want to continue.Jul 29 18:52
DaemonFCHmm. I found some change in the couch. Beer money.Jul 29 19:37
DaemonFCOkay, bad beer, but even bad beer is beer.Jul 29 19:38
schestowitzhttp://www.zdnet.com/article/telstra-discovers-pacnet-security-breach-after-takeover/#!Jul 29 19:50
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.zdnet.com | Telstra discovers Pacnet security breach after takeover | ZDNet [ http://ur1.ca/natdv ]Jul 29 19:50
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schestowitzhttps://twitter.com/Morality124/status/626557907778318336Jul 29 21:02
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@Morality124: @schestowitz Have they name-dropped the branded bugs yet?Jul 29 21:02
schestowitznot yetJul 29 21:02
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DaemonFCWell, I stumbled onto a bug in Firefox that happens when it's running on Windows 10. Jul 29 21:32
DaemonFCSometimes the window goes totally black with just the titlebar and the window controls visible.Jul 29 21:32
MinceRi wonder why such a bug would existJul 29 21:32
DaemonFCSeems that you have to minimize it and then restore it to make the page visible again.Jul 29 21:32
MinceR*cough* https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/AARD_code *cough*Jul 29 21:33
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-en.wikipedia.org | AARD code - Wikipedia, the free encyclopediaJul 29 21:33
DaemonFCSeems to happen most often on Facebook.Jul 29 21:35
DaemonFCThe Edge browser is unbelievably shitty.Jul 29 21:35
DaemonFCInternet Explorer was better.Jul 29 21:35
DaemonFCEdge - No add-on support, they removed Tracking Protection Lists, the right click menu has three entries. "Select all", "Inspect element", and "View source". No back option.Jul 29 21:37
MinceRit's just a new name for ieJul 29 21:37
DaemonFCI'm constantly moving back and forward with the right click menu in Firefox.Jul 29 21:37
DaemonFCNo, it's not just IE. IE was better.Jul 29 21:37
MinceRalt+left and alt+right might help :>Jul 29 21:37
MinceRor the extra mouse buttonJul 29 21:37
MinceRconsider how averse m$ is to spending resources on developing softwareJul 29 21:38
MinceRthey much prefer to spend it on lawyers, ads and bribesJul 29 21:38
MinceRto them, the obvious thing to do is to rebrand something, rearrange the deck chairs and claim it's a totally new productJul 29 21:39
MinceRthey've done it before and they'll do it againJul 29 21:39
DaemonFChttp://www.winbeta.org/news/norton-antivirus-doesnt-want-you-use-microsoft-edge-because-it-currently-lacks-extensionsJul 29 21:39
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.winbeta.org | Norton Antivirus doesn't want you to use Microsoft Edge because it currently lacks extensions [ http://ur1.ca/naul9 ]Jul 29 21:39
DaemonFCWell, there's a plus. It won't load the Norton BloatBar.Jul 29 21:40
DaemonFC:)Jul 29 21:40
MinceRthat's fine i don't want to use anything from symantec or microsoftJul 29 21:40
MinceRs/ne/&,/Jul 29 21:40
MinceRsymantec used to love m$ so muchJul 29 21:40
MinceRthey even spread lies and FUD on hungarian radioJul 29 21:40
MinceRto support winblowsJul 29 21:41
MinceRand attack gnu/linuxJul 29 21:41
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cubexyzMicrosoft was bad right from the very beginningJul 29 21:50
MinceRindeedJul 29 21:50
cubexyzGates stole PDP-10 computer time to write the initial BAIC interpreterJul 29 21:50
cubexyzBASICJul 29 21:50
MinceRand even that suckedJul 29 21:50
MinceRaltair had to patch itJul 29 21:50
cubexyzwhat was wrong with it?Jul 29 21:59
cubexyzone of the early Microsoft programmers Monte Davidoff was interviewed in 2001Jul 29 22:02
cubexyzand he was using Redhat 6.1 at the timeJul 29 22:02
cubexyzhe said Stallman's contribution to software was "enormous"Jul 29 22:03
MinceRit was full of bugs, afaikJul 29 22:05
MinceRredhat used to be benignJul 29 22:05
MinceRbut they've turned into yet another m$ wannabeJul 29 22:06
MinceR(as if we didn't have enough of those already)Jul 29 22:06
DaemonFCI don't think that's fair.Jul 29 22:06
oiaohmRedhat is still fairly benign.    Only reason why systemd got as far as it has was not really redhat presume it was simple lack of quality comptition.Jul 29 22:07
DaemonFCThey're just influential to the point where people give up and use the Red Hat solution because they lack the resources to produce anything better or more coherent.Jul 29 22:07
MinceRno, redhat is systematically using their control over gnome and some distros as leverage to force systemd on users and to force kdbus into the official kernelJul 29 22:07
oiaohmRedhat though Ubuntu would have kept on backing upstart.Jul 29 22:07
oiaohmSo you would have had upstart vs systemd.Jul 29 22:08
MinceRand both of those pieces of software are horribly shittyJul 29 22:08
DaemonFCUpstart is worse.Jul 29 22:08
MinceRsystemd is an enormous tumor of unrelated functionality tied togetherJul 29 22:08
DaemonFCIt was relying on patches that had been refused upstream or not even submitted upstream.Jul 29 22:08
MinceRkdbus is a piece of functionality forced into the kernel that does not belong to the kernelJul 29 22:08
DaemonFCTo the Linux kernel, that is.Jul 29 22:08
DaemonFCThey had their prefetch method that required a rejected patch, for instance.Jul 29 22:09
MinceRin this way, both of them follow typical microsoft principlesJul 29 22:09
DaemonFCsystemd uses the method that's supported in the vanilla kernel.Jul 29 22:09
MinceRso redhat now both makes shoddy products and uses leverage to force them on peopleJul 29 22:09
oiaohmMinceR: think about it kdbus.   You say systemd is forcing it.    But every time they have been reject they have gone away and attempted to make it better.Jul 29 22:09
MinceRthis should be familiar.Jul 29 22:09
MinceRoiaohm: the way to make it better is to not make it at allJul 29 22:09
oiaohmMinceR: its not like google with binder where hell the upstream.Jul 29 22:09
MinceRoiaohm: if they wanted a good dbus, they should redesign dbus and reimplement it in userspaceJul 29 22:10
MinceRoh, and they should have someone other than a closeted winblows fanboy design itJul 29 22:10
MinceR(no, rebooting is not an acceptable way to restart a service.)Jul 29 22:10
oiaohmMinceR: there are documented issues with race conditions.Jul 29 22:11
oiaohmMinceR: working in userspace.Jul 29 22:11
MinceRoiaohm: and throwing the whole thing into the kernel is the only way to solve them?Jul 29 22:11
MinceRsounds like a clueless excuse for a software engineerJul 29 22:11
oiaohmThere needs to be a part in kernel. Jul 29 22:11
MinceRby the way, they could just use TIPC, which is already in the kernelJul 29 22:11
oiaohmMinceR: its like the networking filters in userspace.Jul 29 22:11
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MinceRbut of course they suffer from a heavy dose of NIH syndromeJul 29 22:12
MinceRalso, trying to send >512kB messages through dbus _also_ stinksJul 29 22:12
MinceRit's like there's not a single bit in the whole picture they can get rightJul 29 22:12
MinceRthey've built the wrong tool in the wrong way, are using it the wrong way and to solve the issue, they're trying to build in an even more wrong wayJul 29 22:13
oiaohmMinceR: did you read what TIPC is https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/TIPCJul 29 22:13
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-en.wikipedia.org | TIPC - Wikipedia, the free encyclopediaJul 29 22:13
MinceRGNU/Linux wasn't Bizarro OS a while agoJul 29 22:13
oiaohmTIPC is put all control on the network interface.Jul 29 22:13
MinceRwhy does it have to turn into that?Jul 29 22:13
oiaohmBasically we need something like TIPC that is purely local.Jul 29 22:14
cubexyzLinux still isn't bizarro... look at slackware 12.1 or newerJul 29 22:14
DaemonFCMinceR, There's always one good thing to be said about Microsoft.Jul 29 22:14
MinceRand of course, naturally kdbus would come with a systemd dependencyJul 29 22:14
DaemonFC"It could be worse. At least they're not Apple."Jul 29 22:14
MinceRbecause whatever from redcrap would possibly not come with a systemd dependency?Jul 29 22:14
MinceRDaemonFC: that might not be worse, as crApple seems to be significantly less effective, especially since the death of their demigodJul 29 22:14
oiaohmMinceR: there has been a lot of debate about Linux IPC.Jul 29 22:14
MinceR(their god is, of course, The Almighty Money)Jul 29 22:14
oiaohmMinceR: the result is yes Linux kernel needs another one.Jul 29 22:14
MinceRoiaohm: no kiddingJul 29 22:15
MinceRooh, it has to go into the kernelJul 29 22:15
MinceRoiaohm: when will the "debate" result in that the kernel also needs a service manager, a windowing system, an email client, a kitchen sink and a flat tire built into it too?Jul 29 22:15
oiaohmYou need autostart/restart MinceR like the v4l and network stack extentions in userspace has.Jul 29 22:16
MinceRif Linux "needs" kdbus, then perhaps i "need" to consider moving to NetBSD.Jul 29 22:16
cubexyzhow about a way to reset the text console? :)Jul 29 22:16
MinceRi'd need autostart/restart if the service as buggyJul 29 22:16
MinceRthey should fix their code instead of leaning on the reset button.Jul 29 22:16
MinceRthat is, if they didn't want to be microsoftJul 29 22:16
DaemonFCThe iPhone has been languishing for years.Jul 29 22:16
oiaohmMinceR: service does not have to be buggy bad ram.Jul 29 22:16
DaemonFC1 GB of RAM and 16 GB of storage is not OK on a $650 phone.Jul 29 22:17
MinceRalso, autostart/restart isn't exactly rocket science.Jul 29 22:17
oiaohmMinceR: Linux kernel can detect bad ram and restart a driver that had a block.Jul 29 22:17
MinceRa few lines of shell script could do the job.Jul 29 22:17
MinceRrestartd could do the job.Jul 29 22:17
oiaohmMinceR: it when it got to start.Jul 29 22:17
MinceRoiaohm: so, we should move all applications to the kernel so the kernel can restart them too?Jul 29 22:17
MinceRoiaohm: the OS you're looking for already exists: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/TempleOSJul 29 22:18
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-en.wikipedia.org | TempleOS - Wikipedia, the free encyclopediaJul 29 22:18
MinceR"ring-0-only"Jul 29 22:18
DaemonFCSome people defend them by saying "But they control the OS and the hardware." as if that means it's more efficient.Jul 29 22:18
MinceRwith their control, they've ensured that both are unusably crapJul 29 22:18
cubexyzI used to hear talk like that from Amiga peopleJul 29 22:18
MinceRgood job, apple!Jul 29 22:18
oiaohmMinceR: so a network filter when do you start that MinceRJul 29 22:18
DaemonFCBut iOS apps are about 2-3 times larger than Android ones, because on Android, the only code that ends up on your device is the code for your device.Jul 29 22:19
oiaohma userspace network filter MinceRJul 29 22:19
MinceRoiaohm: is kdbus one of those?Jul 29 22:19
oiaohmThis is the best way to explain the problem.Jul 29 22:19
oiaohmThe reason why tipc was suggest is that it can be a network filter and auto started.Jul 29 22:20
MinceRmaybe HURD already has a userspace network filterJul 29 22:20
oiaohmLinux has userspace network filters.Jul 29 22:20
oiaohmI am sticking to pure Linux MinceRJul 29 22:20
MinceRso, why do we need yet another daemon moved into the kernel?Jul 29 22:20
oiaohmThe Linux kernel starts the network filter when the network has traffic also stops the network when there is no traffic.Jul 29 22:21
MinceRalso, the fix to bad ram is not "run everything in ring 0"Jul 29 22:21
MinceRthe fix to bad ram is to replace it, hopefully with ECC ram.Jul 29 22:21
oiaohmThere is no ipc based auto start.   That application starts sending to a ipc and the kernel goes hey I need to wake X up.Jul 29 22:21
MinceR"ipc based auto start" was made up as an excuse for systemdJul 29 22:22
MinceRthey call it "dbus activation" or something.Jul 29 22:22
oiaohm99 percent kdbus really does not need to be in kernel.Jul 29 22:22
MinceRwell, there you have itJul 29 22:22
MinceRkdbus doesn't need to be in the kernel.Jul 29 22:22
oiaohmdbus activation has been race coditioning.Jul 29 22:22
MinceRmaybe something small that actually does something that's impractical to do in userspace needs to beJul 29 22:23
oiaohmAnd issue with reconnections.Jul 29 22:23
MinceRkdbus is not it.Jul 29 22:23
MinceRif we want dbus to be so resilient, why does the damn thing require a reboot to restart?Jul 29 22:23
oiaohmThe thing is wayland you can restart the comositor without upsetting the connected applications.Jul 29 22:24
MinceRmaybe redhat could sell a little motorized device that presses the reset button every n seconds and name it "lennartd"Jul 29 22:24
oiaohmBut wayland todo that has implemented extras in kernelspace.Jul 29 22:24
MinceRreboots are so cool and "modern", everybody should have them all the time!Jul 29 22:24
MinceRnaturally, the toxic wayland design also wants in on the actionJul 29 22:24
MinceRlike i said, kmutter is comingJul 29 22:24
MinceRjust like windows nt!Jul 29 22:25
cubexyzserver uptime: 264 days  openbsd uptime: 204 daysJul 29 22:25
oiaohmMinceR: you have to restart services as updates come in.Jul 29 22:25
MinceRi can do them when i think is right.Jul 29 22:26
oiaohmWhat is lacking is a IPC that works for service restarting.Jul 29 22:26
MinceRand what makes that need to be in the kernel?Jul 29 22:26
MinceRuserspace can't see when someone disconnects from a socket?Jul 29 22:26
MinceRam i imagining the "Broken pipe" error message?Jul 29 22:26
oiaohmBroken is the keyword.Jul 29 22:27
MinceRyes, it seems to be the primary design principleJul 29 22:27
oiaohmAll messages that were in the pipe are lost.Jul 29 22:27
MinceRLet's Break Things BetterJul 29 22:27
oiaohmAnd the application sending messages don't know what ones made it.Jul 29 22:28
MinceRif only there was a way to re-send messagesJul 29 22:28
MinceRit would be really useful on the networkJul 29 22:28
MinceRthey could call the implementation TCPJul 29 22:28
oiaohmre-sending messages is how TCP can cause major network congistion.Jul 29 22:28
MinceRgood thing a bug in kdbus can't cause the system to hangJul 29 22:28
MinceRbecause ring 0 is the safest ring to do stuff inJul 29 22:29
oiaohmfd sealing that wayland usersJul 29 22:29
oiaohmAllows you to know what fd the compositor picked up before it died.Jul 29 22:29
oiaohmPicked up and processed before it died.Jul 29 22:30
MinceRgood things applications never die, so client-side decorations are reliableJul 29 22:31
MinceRoh waitJul 29 22:31
MinceRit's interesting that certain failure modes are only ever considered to exist when they're a convenient excuse for forcing lendows on peopleJul 29 22:31
MinceRwhenever they're not, they'll never be guarded against in any wayJul 29 22:31
MinceRi might as well just run Red Hat 7 and reboot whenever something goes wrong -- i'd accomplish the exact same thing, with the exact same number of reboots, with a fraction of the codeJul 29 22:33
MinceR(not RHEL 7)Jul 29 22:33
oiaohmMinceR: the fd locking wayland uses works both ways.Jul 29 22:34
oiaohmIf an application is dies and is killed by kernel wayland compositor finds because the locks on the fd change to reflect that. Jul 29 22:34
oiaohmMinceR: wayland has these days client-side and server side decorations.Jul 29 22:40
MinceRafaik only kde's implementation supports SSDJul 29 22:41
MinceRthe others (especially gnome) only seem to be interested in putting shit in title barsJul 29 22:41
MinceR(maybe they used the ribbon ui too much and it broke their brains)Jul 29 22:41
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oiaohmMinceR: problem here is client side decorations to make sense from a performance point of view.Jul 29 23:02
oiaohmMinceR: server side decorations main advantage is kill/resize buttons work.Jul 29 23:03
oiaohmNow if gnome and others using client side had added like some extra means to kill applications   Less of a problem.Jul 29 23:04
cubexyzoiaohm, I just realized something about KDEJul 29 23:07
cubexyzif one runs KDE 1.X applications on KDE 3.5 you can't talk to them via dcopJul 29 23:08
cubexyznot a big deal, but interestingJul 29 23:08
oiaohmFun is my mixed state between KDE 4.x and KDE 5.x I have at moment.Jul 29 23:08
oiaohmKDE 5 network status tool does not work with KDE 4 plasma.Jul 29 23:09
oiaohmThan you gtk nm-appletJul 29 23:09
oiaohmthen off course kdeinit4  does not start kwin_x11 (that is KDE 5)Jul 29 23:10
oiaohmby default.Jul 29 23:10
cubexyzwhy not just run KDE 4 and KDE 5 on different machines?Jul 29 23:11
cubexyzjust curious why you're combining themJul 29 23:11
oiaohmThe cause of combining is debian testingJul 29 23:11
oiaohmI am only using packages that are in debian testing.Jul 29 23:11
oiaohmI could get all of KDE 5 if I went sid or I could have KDE 4 if I forced back to stable.Jul 29 23:12
oiaohmcubexyz: change over is a bitch basically.Jul 29 23:12
cubexyzhmmm, well I did combine parts of KDE 1.X and KDE 3.5.10Jul 29 23:12
cubexyzdue to orphaned KDE 1 programsJul 29 23:13
cubexyzand I combined icewm with klipper :)Jul 29 23:13
oiaohmMy current system has some KDE 3.5 applications and KDE 4.x and KDE 5.xJul 29 23:14
oiaohmI don't think I have any kde 1.x left.Jul 29 23:14
cubexyzdcop wasn't very well documentedJul 29 23:17
cubexyzI'm still learning new things about it KDE 3.XJul 29 23:18
cubexyzI'm quite proud of this:Jul 29 23:19
cubexyzhttp://www.maxhost.org/other/mwm-desktop-of-the-future.pngJul 29 23:19
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cubexyzwhen did dcop first appear, anyone know?Jul 29 23:21
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cubexyzah, KDE 3Jul 29 23:24
cubexyzit's kind of got silly with the continual upgradesJul 29 23:25
oiaohmcubexyz: Linux desktops have got a lot more functional.Jul 29 23:26
cubexyztoo many bloated memory hogsJul 29 23:26
cubexyzoverly complexJul 29 23:26
cubexyzfortunately distro watch keeps one abreast of distros appropriate for older hardwareJul 29 23:28
cubexyzopenbsd still works on microvaxJul 29 23:28
cubexyzthat's why I kind of lost interest in new KDE... it was just too slow on older hardwareJul 29 23:29
cubexyzso I replaced most of KDE 3.5.10 with icewm but still used some parts like klipperJul 29 23:29
oiaohmSince these days I run fairly powerful hardware KDE does not bother me.Jul 29 23:30
cubexyzhttp://www.maxhost.org/other/compare-all-wms.pngJul 29 23:30
oiaohmBack when I was using smaller systems I did use smaller wm.Jul 29 23:30
oiaohmcubexyz: that chart is getting a bit old.Jul 29 23:31
cubexyzalso I've noticed P3 based machines lasted longer than P4'sJul 29 23:31
oiaohmhttps://flexion.org/posts/2014-03-memory-consumption-of-linux-desktop-environments.htmlJul 29 23:33
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oiaohmcubexyz: KDE has been reducing its memory usage.Jul 29 23:33
cubexyzoiaohm, there's significant pollution caused by chip fabricationJul 29 23:33
oiaohmBut its still huge.Jul 29 23:33
cubexyzit makes sense to reuse and repurpose older computers (within reason of course)Jul 29 23:33
cubexyzacetone, arsenic, trichloroethylene all mess up the water tableJul 29 23:34
msb_This is my favorite computer:  http://cosmicpenguin.com/images/pc_of_future.jpgJul 29 23:34
cubexyzI just knew that old fart programmed in Fortran :)Jul 29 23:35
msb_I used to program in Fortran when I was a young fart.Jul 29 23:36
cubexyzit's still used in some placesJul 29 23:36
cubexyzoiaohm, all those DE's kind of suck memory-wiseJul 29 23:38
cubexyzI can run mwm... no real DE thereJul 29 23:40
cubexyzXFCE can only be considered light in comparison to KDEJul 29 23:44
cubexyzicewm is quite useable... 4.5 megsJul 29 23:44
cubexyzI used icewm on openbsd as wellJul 29 23:44
cubexyzther's LKM I probably don't need but vector linux loads them anywayJul 29 23:46
cubexyzpretty sure I don't need sunprcJul 29 23:46
cubexyzsunrpcJul 29 23:46
oiaohmcubexyz: part of the reason for running mix of KDE 4 and 5 is memory usage.Jul 30 00:17
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DaemonFChttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Rvn6mCzRRpUJul 30 02:17
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.youtube.com | "Tech Support" scammer held on line for 75 minutes - YouTube [ http://ur1.ca/naxf1 ]Jul 30 02:17
DaemonFCRyan FarmerJul 30 02:20
DaemonFCJust now · Jul 30 02:20
DaemonFC"The Xbox Live Auth Manager service terminated with the following service-specific error: The operation completed successfully."Jul 30 02:20
DaemonFCAhhh, Microsoft.Jul 30 02:20
DaemonFChttp://www.howtogeek.com/210589/mac-os-x-isn%E2%80%99t-safe-anymore-the-crapware-malware-epidemic-has-begun/Jul 30 02:38
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.howtogeek.com | Mac OS X Isn’t Safe Anymore: The Crapware / Malware Epidemic Has Begun [ http://ur1.ca/naxli ]Jul 30 02:38
DaemonFCApparently there are so many open Firefox bugs in the Windows 10 tracker bug that users should just assume that Firefox isn't usable on Windows 10 at the moment.Jul 30 02:45
DaemonFChttps://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1077146Jul 30 02:46
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-bugzilla.mozilla.org | 1077146 – (windows-10) [tracking] Windows 10 issues [ http://ur1.ca/naxnw ]Jul 30 02:46
DaemonFCHow the hell this could happen is anyone's guess. I'm assuming that Mozilla could have set up some computers with the Windows 10 tech previews on them to figure out the obvious ones, like Facebook being totally broken.Jul 30 02:47
DaemonFChttps://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1180009Jul 30 03:10
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DaemonFCA security problem with Firefox under Windows 10.Jul 30 03:10
DaemonFChttp://www.theregister.co.uk/2015/05/06/microsoft_edge_extensibility/Jul 30 03:20
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DaemonFCI tried it out. It is a very basic browser. It almost felt like the very early days of Google Chrome.Jul 30 03:20
DaemonFCIt's pretty half-baked. It feels like they got it up to the bare minimum that could be called a web browser and then gave up and released it that way.Jul 30 03:23
DaemonFChttp://www.theregister.co.uk/2015/07/20/court_to_hear_microsoft_irs_tax_dispute/Jul 30 03:26
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schestowitzDaemonFC: ahJul 30 04:03
schestowitzMS sued themJul 30 04:03
schestowitzto scare themJul 30 04:04
DaemonFCThe IRS?Jul 30 04:04
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cubexyztoo much microsoft blah blahJul 30 04:12
cubexyzI'm going to concentrate on BSD/Linux/OtherJul 30 04:12
schestowitzyeah, media blurbsJul 30 04:16
schestowitzmanufactured by MicrosoftJul 30 04:16
schestowitzcubexyz: I will write about vista10 later todayJul 30 04:30
schestowitzin case you read the front page of the site, many of the links there come from IRC :-)Jul 30 04:30
schestowitzbecause since ages ago I no longer keep track of MS newsJul 30 04:31
schestowitzsince 2010 I think.... when I stoppedJul 30 04:31
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schestowitz"I thought you were implying Fedora itself was GNU. There’s that Freedora thing but that’s pretty shady imo."Jul 30 04:37
schestowitzhttps://joindiaspora.com/posts/6399778Jul 30 04:37
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: #Fedora23 will feature a Cinnamon Spin http://linuxbsdos.com/2015/07/28/fedora-23-will-feature-a-cinnamon-spin/ #fedora #redhat #gnu #linuxJul 30 04:37
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schestowitzI use the GNU hashtag a lot to give creditJul 30 04:37
schestowitzMinceR: https://joindiaspora.com/posts/6403300Jul 30 04:37
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: "I think "humane"/"inhumane" are misleading because they imply that humans are wired to be good"- MinceR, #techrightsJul 30 04:37
schestowitz"Jul 30 04:37
schestowitzI would challenge the use of the word ‘wired’ in that sentence.Jul 30 04:37
schestowitzCertainly, as a species, under the present system of social organization we are demonstrating that we are not only not fit to survive, but unworthy to survive. That says nothing, however, about the potential that has been discarded by that system.Jul 30 04:37
schestowitz"Jul 30 04:37
schestowitzhttps://joindiaspora.com/posts/6403288Jul 30 04:37
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: #microsoft back doors... in a SAFE! http://thenextweb.com/gadgets/2015/07/28/robbed-in-60-seconds/ http://techrights.org/wiki/index.php/Microsoft_and_the_NSA who came up with such a horrible idea?!Jul 30 04:37
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights--> thenextweb.com | Brinks safe runs Windows XP, can be hacked in 60 seconds… [ http://ur1.ca/naeex ]Jul 30 04:37
schestowitz"Excellent. I need to find one of those and hack it.Jul 30 04:37
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schestowitz"Jul 30 04:37
schestowitzhttps://joindiaspora.com/posts/6400257Jul 30 04:38
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: Assault on #anonymous (cash) payments: "consumers have to pay a fee whenever they want to withdraw cash" https://joindiaspora.com/posts/6399548 #swedenJul 30 04:38
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: In #sweden "banks don't want to pay the 'expense' of handling cash," iopkh shows http://www.svd.se/pengar-problem-i-kontanthanteringen/om/debatten-om-kontanternaJul 30 04:38
schestowitz"can be standard in Austria, depending on the deal you’ve got. There are fixed monthly fee models as well as the ‘pay per transaction’ model… since at least more than 20 years now."Jul 30 04:38
schestowitzNow I realise how lucky we are to be able to do this freely at any ATM (the banks allow customers to use each other's ATMs freely)Jul 30 04:38
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TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     Battle of the sub-$450 Android phones: ZTE AxonJul 30 04:49
TweetTuxMachines                 vs OnePlus 2 vs Moto X StyleJul 30 04:49
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TweetTuxMachines                 On Linux http://t.co/yAM4kFLW8vJul 30 04:49
TweetTuxMachines                 (www.phoronix.com) one to avoid then.Jul 30 04:49
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schestowitzhttps://twitter.com/LadyKorenwolf/status/626683547101855744Jul 30 05:21
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@LadyKorenwolf: .@schestowitz when a US policer officer shoots someone & says "I had no choice" I wonder what they would have done if they hadn't had a gunJul 30 05:21
schestowitzAn armed policeman is more likely to be shot at. Shooting at an unarmed cop is cowardly and often not necessary for one's defence.Jul 30 05:22
schestowitzhttps://twitter.com/LadyKorenwolf/status/626683978196586496Jul 30 05:23
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@LadyKorenwolf: @schestowitz "I was cornered & he was threatening me w/ a pen" was, I believe, excuse for killing a mentally disturbed man in a wheelchairJul 30 05:23
schestowitzhttps://twitter.com/LadyKorenwolf/status/626684249878478848Jul 30 05:23
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@LadyKorenwolf: @schestowitz use of a firearm should always be the absolute last resort & only for defence (of self or another)Jul 30 05:23
schestowitzWorks in theory, when you assume equal value of life for allJul 30 05:23
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oiaohmschestowitz: presuming that unarmed policeman are safe is kinda wrong.    Unarmed people would not get shot in crimes if the theory held.Jul 30 06:01
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oiaohmschestowitz: http://electronics.howstuffworks.com/gadgets/other-gadgets/taser-shotgun-shell.htm  This tech is interesting.Jul 30 06:09
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-electronics.howstuffworks.com | How the Taser Shotgun Shell Works - HowStuffWorks [ http://ur1.ca/nazcg ]Jul 30 06:10
TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     i.MX6 hacker board features M.2 and wide-rangeJul 30 06:53
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TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     Free software advocates heckle town of PesaroJul 30 06:53
TweetTuxMachines                 http://t.co/iyXpFyfpTZ (www.tuxmachines.org)Jul 30 06:53
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MinceRoiaohm: yes, i know, like their idols at m$, the only thing that matters to these ricers is that it must be fasterJul 30 08:15
MinceR(even if they give everything up for the sake of performance and then performance still sucks)Jul 30 08:15
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schestowitzoiaohm: wowJul 30 08:27
schestowitzhow horridJul 30 08:27
schestowitz[11:01] <oiaohm> schestowitz: presuming that unarmed policeman are safe is kinda wrong.    Unarmed people would not get shot in crimes if the theory held.Jul 30 08:28
schestowitzif citizens assume that the police are armed, they're more likely to arm themselvesJul 30 08:28
schestowitzit's an arms raceJul 30 08:29
cubexyzredhat had it's 20 year anniversary this yearJul 30 08:30
cubexyzI don't think anyone noticed :)Jul 30 08:30
TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     Remembering Nóirín PlunkettJul 30 08:31
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Remembering Nóirín Plunkett | Tux MachinesJul 30 08:31
TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     Ubuntu MATE Will Offer a Choice Between UbuntuJul 30 08:31
TweetTuxMachines                 Software Center and App GridJul 30 08:31
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oiaohmschestowitz: yes its an arms race.   Problem here UK has had unarmed police for long time has not prevent them being shot.Jul 30 08:42
MinceRthe harms raceJul 30 08:46
schestowitzhttps://twitter.com/ppetrovdotnet/status/626734919356653568Jul 30 08:47
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@ppetrovdotnet: @schestowitz quite poor ... hope not someone first intro to linux in 2015 :(Jul 30 08:47
schestowitzoiaohm: doesn't happen muchJul 30 08:47
schestowitzit's HUGE news here when police get shotJul 30 08:47
schestowitztwo female officers got shot in Manchester about 3 years agoJul 30 08:47
schestowitzit was national news for like a year almost...Jul 30 08:47
schestowitzThat's not to say that non-cops never get shotJul 30 08:48
schestowitzbut it's rareJul 30 08:48
schestowitzcrime stats here probably differ a lot from USJul 30 08:48
schestowitznot many fatalitiesJul 30 08:48
schestowitzdrugs, breakins, antisocial behaviour (hardly crime), hate crime, sometimes a stabbingJul 30 08:48
schestowitzor arson/vandalismJul 30 08:48
oiaohmschestowitz: the problem is the class of arms race.Jul 30 08:49
oiaohmCurrently majority of the arm race has been around making lethal weapons cheap/affordable.Jul 30 08:49
oiaohmschestowitz: http://crimepreventionresearchcenter.org/wp-content/uploads/2014/10/Report-on-gun-related-suicides-and-crime-for-the-Australian-Parliament-Rev.pdf   This was a report done for Australia.Jul 30 08:50
schestowitzdoes autralia have a gun crime epidemic?Jul 30 08:50
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oiaohmBasically it not safe to tell people to act passively it does not work.Jul 30 08:50
schestowitzi have not been paying attention to aussie figures, probably because they're not newsworthyJul 30 08:50
oiaohmAustralia does have gun crime problems.Jul 30 08:50
schestowitzhow many fatalities?Jul 30 08:50
schestowitzexc. suicides?Jul 30 08:50
oiaohmReduced when laws for commiting crime using guns increased.Jul 30 08:50
oiaohmsuicide numbers stayed about the same after gun banning but guns disappeared as common method.Jul 30 08:51
oiaohmYes overdoes replaced guns.Jul 30 08:51
schestowitzhow many fatalities per year per million people?Jul 30 08:51
schestowitzMaybe 1?Jul 30 08:51
schestowitzIn the Uk it's something like 1 or 2Jul 30 08:51
cubexyzis crime getting worse?Jul 30 08:52
schestowitzin some places it got betterJul 30 08:52
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oiaohmschestowitz: Homicides using guns dropped.Jul 30 08:52
schestowitzmanchester used to have a gun crime issue around the 80s I think, in certain areas with many immigrantsJul 30 08:52
oiaohmRobberies using guns after the law cam in increased.Jul 30 08:52
schestowitzoiaohm: it's US it's still going upJul 30 08:52
oiaohmBut that was mostly until places got licensed secuirty.Jul 30 08:52
schestowitzmaybe plateaued this year last i saw the graphJul 30 08:52
oiaohmThen the numbers went back down.Jul 30 08:52
schestowitzeconomic downturn won't helpJul 30 08:53
oiaohmThe thing that the Australian numbers tell us is we need weapons.  Preferable of the non lethal class that are affordable and have range.Jul 30 08:55
MinceRthere's no "non lethal", only "less lethal" or "less likely to be lethal"Jul 30 08:56
oiaohmMinceR: there is a non lethal but its big and expensive(so not that functional)  tazer/differator combination.Jul 30 08:58
cubexyzthere was that spray on foam gun Jul 30 08:58
MinceRcan't that give you a lethal heart attack?Jul 30 08:58
MinceRor just kill your pacemakerJul 30 08:58
cubexyznever seen anyone use it though Jul 30 08:58
oiaohmMinceR: that is why the combination.Jul 30 08:59
oiaohmMinceR: if it kills you pacemaker it contains the system to deal with that.Jul 30 08:59
MinceRoh, defibrillatorJul 30 08:59
MinceRinterestingJul 30 08:59
oiaohmThere is also the radio freq that happens to turn all you pain sensors all that is completely useless for those that are extreamlly high on drugs.Jul 30 09:00
oiaohmBut anyone else will stop tracks as they pass out.Jul 30 09:01
schestowitzhttps://twitter.com/BobSummerwill/status/626738465879658496Jul 30 09:01
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@BobSummerwill: @schestowitz It does not surprise me that you are all over this. Horrifying situation with these multiple 'trade deals' on the brewJul 30 09:01
schestowitzfollow @glynmoodyJul 30 09:01
MinceRmicrowave?Jul 30 09:01
MinceRthat can cook your eyesJul 30 09:01
oiaohmMinceR: its a lower freqJul 30 09:01
oiaohmSomething completely strange that we react to.Jul 30 09:01
oiaohmMinceR: problem is it not very directional.Jul 30 09:03
oiaohmMinceR: so firing it you will most likely take everyone out.Jul 30 09:03
TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     Today in Techrights http://t.co/gPJOuCbl2SJul 30 09:04
TweetTuxMachines                 (www.tuxmachines.org)Jul 30 09:04
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Today in Techrights | Tux MachinesJul 30 09:04
TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     Review: Ubuntu 15.04 http://t.co/Bwsdlqud7kJul 30 09:04
TweetTuxMachines                 (www.pcauthority.com.au)Jul 30 09:04
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.pcauthority.com.au | Review: Ubuntu 15.04 - PC & Tech AuthorityJul 30 09:04
TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     Ubuntu 15.04 On The Tegra X1 Yields Even BetterJul 30 09:04
TweetTuxMachines                 Results, More Benchmarks http://t.co/5JHmUwz9zTJul 30 09:04
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TweetTuxMachines........................................  http://ur1.ca/nb0z8Jul 30 09:04
TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     Parsix 8.0 Test 2 Is Based on Debian TestingJul 30 09:06
TweetTuxMachines                 and GNOME 3.16 http://t.co/vxG6N9UkWSJul 30 09:06
TweetTuxMachines                 (news.softpedia.com)Jul 30 09:06
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-news.softpedia.com | Parsix 8.0 Test 2 Is Based on Debian Testing and GNOME 3.16 - SoftpediaJul 30 09:06
TweetTuxMachines........................................  http://ur1.ca/nb0zvJul 30 09:06
TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     Ubuntu MATE Will Offer a Choice Between UbuntuJul 30 09:06
TweetTuxMachines                 Software Center and App GridJul 30 09:06
TweetTuxMachines                 http://t.co/SOs24Ye6xi (news.softpedia.com)Jul 30 09:06
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oiaohmMinceR: the microwave one is directional.Jul 30 09:07
oiaohmMinceR: and harmful.Jul 30 09:08
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MinceRhttp://blog.pluralsight.com/give-me-those-old-time-programmersJul 30 09:54
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-blog.pluralsight.com | Give me those old time programmers [ http://ur1.ca/nb1du ]Jul 30 09:54
oiaohmMinceR: true but programmers building with small open source boards today have to work to same limits.Jul 30 10:03
oiaohmMinceR: arduino class items come to mind.Jul 30 10:04
MinceRmost software is still shitJul 30 10:04
oiaohmEven the old programmers made some crappy programs.Jul 30 10:06
TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     Parsix 8.0 Test 2 Is Based on Debian TestingJul 30 10:06
TweetTuxMachines retweeted by    and GNOME 3.16 http://t.co/vxG6N9UkWSJul 30 10:06
TweetTuxMachines @ningbojoe      (news.softpedia.com)Jul 30 10:06
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TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     i.MX6 hacker board features M.2 and wide-rangeJul 30 10:07
MinceRnow crap has become the normJul 30 10:07
TweetTuxMachines                 power http://t.co/A3f0gUh7m7 (linuxgizmos.com)Jul 30 10:07
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TweetTuxMachines........................................  http://ur1.ca/nb1hpJul 30 10:07
oiaohmIt was cases of nasa with enforced quality control that made most of the impressive stuff.Jul 30 10:07
TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     ROSA R6 "Desktop Fresh" Screencast andJul 30 10:07
TweetTuxMachines                 Screenshots  http://t.co/p1r0d803bOJul 30 10:07
TweetTuxMachines                 (www.linuxquestions.org)Jul 30 10:07
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TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     KDE Started Working At Fiber, A New QML-BasedJul 30 10:09
TweetTuxMachines                 Internet Browser http://t.co/Q9PHE67LfkJul 30 10:09
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-linuxg.net | KDE Started Working At Fiber, A New QML-Based Internet Browser | LinuxG.netJul 30 10:09
TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     Review: Ubuntu 15.04 http://t.co/RulMSpN1w8Jul 30 10:10
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TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     Ubuntu 15.04 On The Tegra X1 Yields Even BetterJul 30 10:10
TweetTuxMachines                 Results, More Benchmarks http://t.co/uLB40YQkQEJul 30 10:10
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TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     Open Source Usage in Large EnterprisesJul 30 10:12
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TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     OpenDaylight Project announces new membersJul 30 10:12
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | OpenDaylight Project announces new members | Tux MachinesJul 30 10:12
TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     Porting Qt applications to WaylandJul 30 10:21
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TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     CoreOS CEO: Security is fundamentalJul 30 10:40
TweetTuxMachines                 http://t.co/zjX1VcDUkV (www.infoworld.com)Jul 30 10:40
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MinceRhttps://muchweb.me/systemd-nsa-attempt/Jul 30 11:00
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MinceRhttp://img.pr0gramm.com/2015/07/30/3141fe8e90c09114.jpgJul 30 11:18
TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     Linux 4.2 May Finish Fixing Up Radeon AudioJul 30 11:19
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TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     Systemd Is Launching Its Own ConferenceJul 30 11:19
TweetTuxMachines                 http://t.co/8nUCaEWrU0 (www.phoronix.com)Jul 30 11:19
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TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     Must-Know Linux Commands For New Users Jul 30 11:19
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.linux.com | Must-Know Linux Commands For New Users | Linux.comJul 30 11:19
TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     Linux 4.2 May Finish Fixing Up Radeon AudioJul 30 11:19
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TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     Systemd Is Launching Its Own ConferenceJul 30 11:19
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Systemd Is Launching Its Own Conference | Tux MachinesJul 30 11:19
TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     Kodi 15 Brings XBMC Media Player to AndroidJul 30 11:19
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abeNd-orgkodi, meh, plex for the win!Jul 30 11:40
schestowitzhttps://joindiaspora.com/posts/6405195Jul 30 11:51
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: #Microsoft 's Mouthpiece Mary Branscombe Tries to Shoot Down Free Software, But Fails Miserably http://techrights.org/2015/07/30/fud-from-mary-branscombe/ #freesw #cbs #zdnetJul 30 11:51
schestowitz"just today i have been written that any software will eventually become free, because otherwise there would appear an analogue of that software which is free, and the first won’t survive competition with the second."Jul 30 11:51
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights--> techrights.org | Microsoft’s Mouthpiece Mary Branscombe Tries to Shoot Down Free Software, But Fails Miserably | Techrights [ http://ur1.ca/nb2fg ]Jul 30 11:51
schestowitzhttps://spyurk.am/posts/1574387Jul 30 11:52
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-SSL connect error ( status 0 @ https://spyurk.am/posts/1574387 )Jul 30 11:52
schestowitzPossibly trueJul 30 11:52
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schestowitzhttps://joindiaspora.com/posts/6404420Jul 30 11:58
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: 500 and counting: websites blocked by order of #UK courts http://ipkitten.blogspot.com/2015/07/500-and-counting-websites-blocked-by.html Tories aping #singapore or #chinaJul 30 11:58
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights--> ipkitten.blogspot.com | The IPKat: 500 and counting: websites blocked by order of UK courts [ http://ur1.ca/nb2hr ]Jul 30 11:58
schestowitzNo, just Tories being themselves. I was born in an era when everything was forbidden.""Jul 30 11:58
schestowitzWestminster? :-)Jul 30 11:58
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schestowitzhttps://joindiaspora.com/posts/6404540Jul 30 12:05
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: A lot of #police in #manchester has been substituted with 'gentle' bouncers (usually man and woman) called PCSOs. Nonviolent, better.Jul 30 12:05
schestowitz"Non-violent societies have non-violent policemen. One is a consequence of the other."Jul 30 12:05
schestowitzhttps://joindiaspora.com/posts/6404528Jul 30 12:08
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: Suing someone for broken wrist after punching him/her? It gets worse. Suing for bleeding on you after your assault http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2015/07/29/ferguson-prisoner-beaten-by-cops-has-won-his-appeal.htmlJul 30 12:08
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights--> www.thedailybeast.com | Ferguson Prisoner Beaten by Cops Has Won His Appeal - The Daily Beast [ http://ur1.ca/narbm ]Jul 30 12:08
schestowitz"If it looks like a totalitarian State, hears like a totalitarian State and smells like a totalitarian State, it might be a totalitarian State."Jul 30 12:08
schestowitzMakes even Mexico look safe...Jul 30 12:09
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schestowitz> xJul 30 12:19
schestowitz> http://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2015/07/review-windows-10-is-the-best-version-yet-once-the-bugs-get-fixed/Jul 30 12:19
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-arstechnica.com | Review: Windows 10 is the best version yet—once the bugs get fixed | Ars Technica [ http://ur1.ca/nb2p5 ]Jul 30 12:19
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schestowitz> "This versions is the $superlative yet" formulaJul 30 12:19
schestowitzSpam: #microsoft Peter ‘reviews’ Microsoft #vista10 http://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2015/07/review-windows-10-is-the-best-version-yet-once-the-bugs-get-fixed/ that’s like Chrysler reviewing ChryslerJul 30 12:19
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schestowitzhttps://twitter.com/FrancisJeffrey7/status/626795191110926336Jul 30 12:49
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@FrancisJeffrey7: @schestowitz Global "insiders" feeding on #snitchocrac