IRC: #techrights @ FreeNode: July 26th, 2015-August 1st, 2015

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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines iPhone vs Android comparison: does Android have	Jul 26 06:49
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oiaohm	http://developer.amd.com/community/blog/2015/07/15/collaboration-and-open-source-at-amd-libreoffice/ This is impressive speed boost	Jul 26 08:20
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Akademy Talks Day 1 https://t.co/csKuMejSL9	Jul 26 08:30
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines iPhone vs Android comparison: does Android have	Jul 26 08:30
TweetTuxMachines	the edge? https://t.co/LmChjiWeJj	Jul 26 08:30
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cubexyz	ah	Jul 26 08:31
cubexyz	finally	Jul 26 08:31
cubexyz	oiaohm, managed to get the serial term working :)	Jul 26 08:32
cubexyz	I need something better than minicom though	Jul 26 08:34
cubexyz	now if X messes up, and the text console messes up, I should be able to still get in	Jul 26 08:37
oiaohm	I found out why kdm was not working too well. Turns out I was running way way too much testing.	Jul 26 08:38
oiaohm	cubexyz: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Simple_Desktop_Display_Manager past a particular point on KDE you are meant to swap to this.	Jul 26 08:39
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-en.wikipedia.org \| Simple Desktop Display Manager - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia [ http://ur1.ca/n9nee ]		Jul 26 08:39
cubexyz	oiaohm, kdm keeps running	Jul 26 08:44
cubexyz	not sure what you mean	Jul 26 08:44
oiaohm	after reboot I was having 1 in 3 failures to start of KDM.	Jul 26 08:45
oiaohm	cubexyz: yes it was still running some of the time.	Jul 26 08:45
cubexyz	ah there we go	Jul 26 08:47
cubexyz	minicom -o	Jul 26 08:47
cubexyz	except xsetroot generates an error	Jul 26 08:48
cubexyz	this should also work even if the router fails	Jul 26 08:50
oiaohm	running from a serial you most likely did not have a X11 display value.	Jul 26 08:56
oiaohm	cubexyz: I would guess with xsetroot	Jul 26 08:56
cubexyz	I need to make a smarter script	Jul 26 08:57
oiaohm	I know that feeling.	Jul 26 08:57
oiaohm	The fun of making a script to do a conditional backup and complain only if only 1 of the backup drives was not installed was fun.	Jul 26 08:58
oiaohm	Opps	Jul 26 08:58
oiaohm	Only complain if more than 1 of the backup drivers was not installed.	Jul 26 08:59
cubexyz	same with running X11 programs on the serial port	Jul 26 08:59
cubexyz	but I guess an error is normal then	Jul 26 08:59
oiaohm	Display value with x11 can be fun to mess with the existing interface from the serial point.	Jul 26 09:00
cubexyz	a really smart program would just switch into text mode when necessary	Jul 26 09:00
oiaohm	Can be a great prank.	Jul 26 09:00
oiaohm	cubexyz: http://archive.oreilly.com/pub/h/4441 it is possible to render X11 output as ascii art.	Jul 26 09:02
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cubexyz	I can't even remember why xsetroot is in .profile	Jul 26 09:04
oiaohm	I would have to see the command line but it adjust X11 settings.	Jul 26 09:07
cubexyz	why did the kde people write kdm?	Jul 26 09:07
cubexyz	there was already xdm	Jul 26 09:08
oiaohm	To be trueful feature wise xdm is very lean on.	Jul 26 09:10
oiaohm	https://github.com/sddm/sddm	Jul 26 09:11
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-github.com \| sddm/sddm · GitHub		Jul 26 09:11
oiaohm	kdm and sddm its replacement support way more complete theming cubexyz	Jul 26 09:11
cubexyz	is that a KDE 5 thing?	Jul 26 09:12
oiaohm	sddm becomes KDE5 preferd dm but sddm is also used by lxqt project	Jul 26 09:14
oiaohm	cubexyz: basically I had too much KDE5 installed for KDM to work correctly any more.	Jul 26 09:15
oiaohm	sddm is cleaner at being pure pure QT where KDM uses kde particular libraries.	Jul 26 09:16
schestowitz	https://twitter.com/mellenoweth/status/625294017580953600 https://twitter.com/matthewstinar/status/625294301593899008	Jul 26 09:20
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@mellenoweth: @schestowitz winning hearts and minds !		Jul 26 09:20
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@matthewstinar: @schestowitz Android is less closed & runs on more hardware. Google spends less resources attacking good things & supports open source.		Jul 26 09:20
oiaohm	cubexyz: KDE 5 does not have kdm any more either.	Jul 26 09:20
oiaohm	schestowitz: not exactly there is more to android being open source. Name the most dominate phone OS before Android.	Jul 26 09:21
oiaohm	schestowitz: the answer is Symbian and why it was so popular is it source code got stolen.	Jul 26 09:23
oiaohm	schestowitz: The issue here is USA trade restrictions.	Jul 26 09:23
cubexyz	now I'm wondering what they did before X11R3	Jul 26 09:24
cubexyz	since xdm started with X11R3	Jul 26 09:25
cubexyz	maybe you just logged in then started X	Jul 26 09:28
oiaohm	cubexyz: startx	Jul 26 09:29
oiaohm	Yes that is the horible reality of X11 is that core design does not have a clue about a display manager.	Jul 26 09:30
cubexyz	oiaohm, no need for startx	Jul 26 09:32
cubexyz	xinit /usr/bin/whatever-wm	Jul 26 09:32
oiaohm	cubexyz: go far enough back there is no xinit	Jul 26 09:33
schestowitz	https://twitter.com/mellenoweth/status/625296915664629760	Jul 26 09:33
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@mellenoweth: @schestowitz they came for the chronically sick and disabled...		Jul 26 09:33
cubexyz	startx is just a bourne shell script is it not?	Jul 26 09:34
cubexyz	xinit goes back pretty far	Jul 26 09:35
oiaohm	these days.	Jul 26 09:35
oiaohm	it a script.	Jul 26 09:35
oiaohm	cubexyz: its horible, At first startx then xinit then xinit and startx then dms.	Jul 26 09:36
cubexyz	what's dms?	Jul 26 09:38
oiaohm	cubexyz: dms I missed a mark dm's being display managers	Jul 26 09:40
cubexyz	oh :)	Jul 26 09:40
oiaohm	sddm in fact support wayland.	Jul 26 09:41
schestowitz	https://twitter.com/FrankViewZ/status/625300113712410629	Jul 26 09:44
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@FrankViewZ: @schestowitz Looks like the State is on verge of taking control of drones from ordinary people by this scaremongering !!		Jul 26 09:44
schestowitz	Monopolising them like radio frequencies	Jul 26 09:44
cubexyz	oiaohm, I've thought about porting the old xwm.c to modern X11	Jul 26 09:48
cubexyz	or xwm rather	Jul 26 09:48
cubexyz	there's no xwm.c I don't think	Jul 26 09:49
cubexyz	but tinywm is about 50 lines so it's the smallest by far	Jul 26 09:51
msb_	.	Jul 26 09:53
msb_	XRevan86: MinceR: New Eurasian+ alliance counters US fascist empire! http://www.commondreams.org/views/2015/07/23/eurasian-big-bang-how-china-and-russia-are-running-rings-around-washington	Jul 26 09:55
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msb_	http://www.tomdispatch.com/post/176026/tomgram%3A_pepe_escobar%2C_the_pivot_to_eurasia/	Jul 26 09:56
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schestowitz	my site is down	Jul 26 09:57
schestowitz	I think the server is kaput	Jul 26 09:57
schestowitz	blueberry has been down for nearly a third of a day now. Can't access mail to check response to ticket. ETA? No status updates. They're not indicating even it'll come back online :-/	Jul 26 09:57
schestowitz	Fuck, I know what happened now	Jul 26 10:17
schestowitz	> Hi Roy,	Jul 26 10:17
schestowitz	>	Jul 26 10:17
schestowitz	> There are unpaid invoices on the billing account for schestowitz.com so it is suspended.	Jul 26 10:17
schestowitz	>	Jul 26 10:17
schestowitz	> The billing login area is here billing.catalyst2.com/clientarea.php	Jul 26 10:17
schestowitz	>	Jul 26 10:17
schestowitz	> If you do not have login information for this area please can I have the full postal address that we have on the billing account so I am authorised to make account changes.	Jul 26 10:17
schestowitz	>	Jul 26 10:17
schestowitz	Hi,	Jul 26 10:17
schestowitz	I have just spoken to Tom, after my site and all my E-mail accounts (not just mine) had been suspended for 12 hours, meaning that I could not read your reply until now, either. It turns out there was a cockup as Catalyst2 did not configure the accounts correctly after a migration that we were not even told about, so we never got sent any bills and my main site, therefore, got suspended for 12 hours. My home hub's IP address also got banned	Jul 26 10:17
schestowitz	by the firewall for some reasons (maybe related to this suspension), leaving me baffled and unable to know what was happening until I phoned up.	Jul 26 10:17
schestowitz	This is the first such major cockup after 12 years with the company. I hope you can make up for that one way or another...	Jul 26 10:18
schestowitz	Regards,	Jul 26 10:18
schestowitz	Roy	Jul 26 10:18
schestowitz	> Hi Roy	Jul 26 10:26
schestowitz	>	Jul 26 10:26
schestowitz	> As I just confirmed on the phone now, I'm escalating the issue you had earlier today. This is the ticket for the problem.	Jul 26 10:26
schestowitz	>	Jul 26 10:26
schestowitz	> In the mean time, if you could login to the billing area and pay the outstanding invoice that would be appreciated.	Jul 26 10:26
schestowitz	> Hi Roy	Jul 26 10:26
schestowitz	>	Jul 26 10:26
schestowitz	> Furthering my previous email, once you've logged into the new billing area and paid any outstanding invoices, you can also save your credit card details for future transactions on this page: https://billing.catalyst2.com/clientarea.php?action=creditcard	Jul 26 10:26
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-billing.catalyst2.com \| Client Area - Catalyst2 Services Ltd [ http://ur1.ca/n9p05 ]		Jul 26 10:26
schestowitz	>	Jul 26 10:26
schestowitz	> As part of the transfer to the new system we were unable to transfer your card details across.	Jul 26 10:26
schestowitz	>	Jul 26 10:26
schestowitz	> As compensation for the issue you had with the billing transfer, we've credited your account with one month's hosting.	Jul 26 10:26
schestowitz	In my billing there's one bill for "Late Fee (Added 26/06/2015)" - for bills that I never received... nor had any access to. Can that Late Fee (penalty I assume) please be removed and some form of compensation added to the account? Like I said, there's nothing that we did wrong in this case. We didn't even get contacted before the suspension. It was only us contacting the company after 12 hours of downtime (mail and site).	Jul 26 10:26
schestowitz	Wow..	Jul 26 10:26
schestowitz	total fuckup	Jul 26 10:26
schestowitz	> Hi Roy	Jul 26 10:38
schestowitz	>	Jul 26 10:38
schestowitz	> Once again, please accept our apologies for this. I've removed the late fee for you now and the compensation mentioned in the previous email has been credited to your account already.	Jul 26 10:38
schestowitz	>	Jul 26 10:38
schestowitz	> Any issues, let us know.	Jul 26 10:38
schestowitz	>	Jul 26 10:38
schestowitz	> Kind regards	Jul 26 10:38
schestowitz	Hi,	Jul 26 10:38
schestowitz	I refreshed, but the late fee was still there. I also logged out and back in again and it's still there. This is proving to be time-consuming (the whole thing), set aside downtime and problems due to no access to essential E-mails (my wife's also).	Jul 26 10:38
schestowitz	> Hi Roy	Jul 26 10:48
schestowitz	>	Jul 26 10:48
schestowitz	> I can't see that the late fee is still there for any of your invoices. The total balance due should be £310.79 - that's with the late fees removed.	Jul 26 10:48
schestowitz	>	Jul 26 10:48
schestowitz	> I appreciate that this hasn't been an ideal transfer for yourself, however this is just a one-off event as we transfer you. Once you're setup with the new billing area, you should not have any future issues.	Jul 26 10:48
schestowitz	>	Jul 26 10:48
schestowitz	> Kind regards	Jul 26 10:48
schestowitz	The late fee is still definitely there, both in the panel and when I click pay all. Invoice # 133378. It just lost its Description and now it says "INV021539" instead of late fee. Also, when attempting to pay, I no longer see the credit paying accounted for, so basically there is no compensation for all the trouble and I still need to pay a late fee on bills that I never received or had access to. Please can you rectify so that I can pay? I'	Jul 26 10:48
schestowitz	ve already lost many hours today (not just site visitors, who thought I got "suspended", which is embarrassing) due to all these issues.	Jul 26 10:48
schestowitz	https://twitter.com/catalyst2/status/625306791472164865	Jul 26 10:49
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@catalyst2: @schestowitz it appears to be as you have invoices overdue on your account. Do you have the details to login?		Jul 26 10:49
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schestowitz	so they just gave compensation:	Jul 26 11:12
schestowitz	> Hi Roy	Jul 26 11:12
schestowitz	>	Jul 26 11:12
schestowitz	> Let me clarify this.	Jul 26 11:12
schestowitz	>	Jul 26 11:12
schestowitz	> You have an invoice (number 133378) which was made up of two things:	Jul 26 11:12
schestowitz	> - £12.00 (for INV021539 - a reference from our OLD billing system)	Jul 26 11:12
schestowitz	> - £1.20 (a 10% late payment fee. I have removed this)	Jul 26 11:12
schestowitz	>	Jul 26 11:12
schestowitz	> The previous total was £13.20. It's now just £12.00 as I have removed the late payment fee.	Jul 26 11:12
schestowitz	>	Jul 26 11:12
schestowitz	> The reason there isn't a full description is because it's an invoice from our old billing system. In future, you'll see the full description of what is being invoiced - as you do for the other invoices. I have removed this invoice altogether for you, so there are just the two to pay.	Jul 26 11:12
schestowitz	>	Jul 26 11:13
schestowitz	> My apologies for the inconvenience caused.	Jul 26 11:13
schestowitz	>	Jul 26 11:13
schestowitz	> Kind regards	Jul 26 11:13
schestowitz	Thank you, I have just made the payment.	Jul 26 11:13
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schestowitz	Hi Roy	Jul 26 11:21
schestowitz	Many thanks for making payment. I've just taken a look at the account and your credit card details have been successfully saved and so future invoices will be paid automatically, preventing this from happening again. Your email on the account is also now roy@schestowitz.com. If you wish to change this, you can do so from the new billing area.	Jul 26 11:21
schestowitz	Once again, apologies for any inconvenience caused. Any issues, let us know.	Jul 26 11:22
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schestowitz	https://www.joindiaspora.com/posts/6389608	Jul 26 13:46
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@harryhaller@nerdpol.ch: > ---- <strong> ![Avatar](https://nerdpol.ch/camo/8302cd6c55822406ab22d7a39b9ead65c5c880ae/68747470733a2f2f706f642e6f726b7a2e6e65742f75706c6f6164732f696d616765732f7468756d625f736d616c6c5f65663033336261626637363564396562633362302e6a7067) @{ maestro davincius ; maestro@pod.orkz.net} </strong><sup> [26/07/2015 18:30:20](/posts/8808ed3015e101332b4700163e5dbca2)</sup> > #fsf #openhardware #free-software #GNU #linux >		Jul 26 13:46
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schestowitz	Tony has emailed me several times. I think they will try to tackle these issues in the near future.	Jul 26 13:46
schestowitz	"	Jul 26 13:47
schestowitz	The sad conclusion:	Jul 26 13:47
schestowitz	But Todd swoops in, raises at least half a million dollars, and convinces lots of people that free systems with modern Intel hardware are not only possible but forthcoming. I imagine real efforts to make free systems will be met with more criticism than ever (or skepticism among anyone who realizes that Purism can’t fulfill their promises).	Jul 26 13:47
schestowitz	"	Jul 26 13:47
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schestowitz	https://joindiaspora.com/posts/6388740	Jul 26 14:12
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: #investorplace helps people make money from #war http://investorplace.com/2015/07/war-stocks-to-buy-ktos-cvu/ "Stocks to Buy for the Future of Warfare. War isn't going anywhere"		Jul 26 14:12
schestowitz	"War is unfortunate but would be even unfortunate being the only ones not profiting of it, wouldn’t be?"	Jul 26 14:12
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights--> investorplace.com \| 2 Stocks to Buy for the Future of Warfare(KTOS, CVU) \| InvestorPlace [ http://ur1.ca/n9qzm ]		Jul 26 14:12
schestowitz	That's a psychopath's way of looking at it	Jul 26 14:13
schestowitz	https://joindiaspora.com/posts/6388756	Jul 26 14:13
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: "ISIS youth" https://www.foreignaffairs.com/articles/2015-07-21/cubs-caliphate like the West doesn't do military-like activities for children... #propaganda starts early.		Jul 26 14:13
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights--> www.foreignaffairs.com \| Mia Bloom \| The Children of ISIS [ http://ur1.ca/n9r01 ]		Jul 26 14:13
schestowitz	"	Jul 26 14:13
schestowitz	You can tell a totalitarian and brutal state when it targets kids for political or military purposes. Like this:	Jul 26 14:13
schestowitz	https://www.nsa.gov/kids/	Jul 26 14:13
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schestowitz	"	Jul 26 14:13
schestowitz	https://joindiaspora.com/posts/6387805	Jul 26 14:14
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: Libyan war planes attack and sink a ship near BenghaziOp-Ed: Libyan war planes attack and sink a ship near #Benghazi http://www.digitaljournal.com/news/world/op-ed-libyan-war-planes-attack-and-sink-a-ship-near-benghazi/article/438881		Jul 26 14:14
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schestowitz	"	Jul 26 14:14
schestowitz	CIA-linked General Khalifa Haftar	Jul 26 14:15
schestowitz	He’s a U.S. citizen.	Jul 26 14:15
schestowitz	"	Jul 26 14:15
schestowitz	https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Khalifa_Haftar	Jul 26 14:15
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XRevan86	Okay, mod_irc still sucks.	Jul 26 14:31
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Links 26/7/2015: Purism Librem and Freedom,	Jul 26 14:33
TweetTuxMachines	Akademy Updates http://t.co/B0LrKrbz1j	Jul 26 14:33
TweetTuxMachines	(techrights.org)	Jul 26 14:33
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org \| Links 26/7/2015: Purism Librem and Freedom, Akademy Updates \| Techrights		Jul 26 14:33
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines IRC Proceedings: July 12th, 2015 – July 25th,	Jul 26 14:33
TweetTuxMachines	2015	Jul 26 14:33
TweetTuxMachines	http://t.co/OIaNqsCQin (techrights.org)	Jul 26 14:33
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/n9r6c	Jul 26 14:33
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org \| IRC Proceedings: July 12th, 2015 – July 25th, 2015 \| Techrights		Jul 26 14:33
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Plasma Mobile Media and Blog Coverage	Jul 26 14:38
TweetTuxMachines	http://t.co/QCJryeaBu3 (www.tuxmachines.org)	Jul 26 14:38
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/n9r86	Jul 26 14:38
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org \| Plasma Mobile Media and Blog Coverage \| Tux Machines		Jul 26 14:38
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Leftovers: Gaming http://t.co/ll49w5hU3P	Jul 26 14:38
TweetTuxMachines	(www.tuxmachines.org)	Jul 26 14:38
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org \| Leftovers: Gaming \| Tux Machines		Jul 26 14:38
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/n9r89	Jul 26 14:38
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Leftovers: Software http://t.co/5FtWdfN4DQ	Jul 26 14:38
TweetTuxMachines	(www.tuxmachines.org)	Jul 26 14:38
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org \| Leftovers: Software \| Tux Machines		Jul 26 14:38
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/n9r8b	Jul 26 14:38
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines today's howtos http://t.co/TAAZFp0KJA	Jul 26 14:39
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TweetTuxMachines	(www.tuxmachines.org)	Jul 26 14:39
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msb_	http://www.digitaljournal.com/news/world/op-ed-libyan-war-planes-attack-and-sink-a-ship-near-benghazi/article/438881	Jul 26 15:07
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.digitaljournal.com \| Op-Ed: Libyan war planes attack and sink a ship near Benghazi [ http://ur1.ca/n9r0h ]		Jul 26 15:07
msb_	This is the govt that the US installed in Libya after it murdered socialist Gaddafi who had given the people the highest standard of living in Africa. Now the nation is destroyed and the people are living in poverty. Thanks to Barack Obama.	Jul 26 15:09
msb_	The Western press never mentions that event.	Jul 26 15:10
msb_	This was Libya: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aJURNC0e6Ek	Jul 26 15:12
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msb_	Gaddafi proposed selling oil for other currencies than US dollars. That would have messed up the US economy, which by now is based on nothing but debt and fear of its military. So the US had him murdered, and his nation destroyed.	Jul 26 15:28
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines today's leftovers http://t.co/PDh2M16NNs	Jul 26 17:44
TweetTuxMachines	(www.tuxmachines.org)	Jul 26 17:44
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org \| today's leftovers \| Tux Machines		Jul 26 17:44
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/n9stv	Jul 26 17:44
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Today in Techrights http://t.co/iStK5yrwEc	Jul 26 17:44
TweetTuxMachines	(www.tuxmachines.org)	Jul 26 17:44
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Today in Techrights http://t.co/pHOVgMpNHo	Jul 26 17:44
TweetTuxMachines	(www.tuxmachines.org)	Jul 26 17:44
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines The Penguin or the Egg: How To Increase	Jul 26 18:42
TweetTuxMachines	Adoption Of Desktop Linux	Jul 26 18:42
TweetTuxMachines	http://t.co/IuRy8QTBi6 (www.tuxmachines.org)	Jul 26 18:42
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/n9ta1	Jul 26 18:42
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org \| The Penguin or the Egg: How To Increase Adoption Of Desktop Linux \| Tux Machines		Jul 26 18:42
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Ubuntu MATE Is Dropping Ubuntu Software Center	Jul 26 18:42
TweetTuxMachines	http://t.co/lwz5QkCIQH (www.tuxmachines.org)	Jul 26 18:42
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/n9ta3	Jul 26 18:42
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org \| Ubuntu MATE Is Dropping Ubuntu Software Center \| Tux Machines		Jul 26 18:42
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Linux 4.2-rc4 http://t.co/0KLlfttGsY	Jul 26 18:43
TweetTuxMachines	(www.tuxmachines.org)	Jul 26 18:43
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org \| Linux 4.2-rc4 \| Tux Machines		Jul 26 18:43
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/n9ta4	Jul 26 18:43
schestowitz	https://twitter.com/petrock/status/625439812615442432	Jul 26 18:58
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@petrock: @schestowitz The author says Skype is still the best option for video chat on GNU/Linux. I wonder if he has tried Firefox Hello.		Jul 26 18:58
schestowitz	I guess the author does not care about freedom or privacy, that's why we need to call it GNU	Jul 26 18:59
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines The Penguin or the Egg: How To Increase	Jul 26 19:12
TweetTuxMachines	Adoption Of Desktop Linux	Jul 26 19:12
TweetTuxMachines	http://t.co/UrAL41hGFK (www.maximumpc.com)	Jul 26 19:12
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TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/n9tjf	Jul 26 19:12
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Ubuntu MATE Is Dropping Ubuntu Software Center	Jul 26 19:12
TweetTuxMachines	http://t.co/UjrrhaykhT (news.softpedia.com)	Jul 26 19:12
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TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/n9tjg	Jul 26 19:12
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Linux 4.2-rc4 https://t.co/DvvnTap7UA	Jul 26 19:12
TweetTuxMachines	(lkml.org)	Jul 26 19:12
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/n9tjh	Jul 26 19:12
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-lkml.org \| LKML: Linus Torvalds: Linux 4.2-rc4		Jul 26 19:12
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines See How Your Linux System Stacks Up To 15 GPUs	Jul 26 19:26
TweetTuxMachines	For 1080p Gaming http://t.co/ySbK9w22oQ	Jul 26 19:26
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.phoronix.com \| See How Your Linux System Stacks Up To 15 GPUs For 1080p Gaming - Phoronix		Jul 26 19:26
TweetTuxMachines	(www.phoronix.com)	Jul 26 19:26
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/n9tnv	Jul 26 19:26
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Victor Vran Action RPG Is Now Available on	Jul 26 19:26
TweetTuxMachines	Steam for Linux	Jul 26 19:26
TweetTuxMachines	http://t.co/Gdhw470s1d (linux.softpedia.com)	Jul 26 19:26
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-linux.softpedia.com \| Victor Vran Action RPG Is Now Available on Steam for Linux - Softpedia		Jul 26 19:26
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/n9tnw	Jul 26 19:26
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines GNOME Initial Setup Gets a Revamp with New	Jul 26 19:27
TweetTuxMachines	Functionality and Bugfixes	Jul 26 19:27
TweetTuxMachines	http://t.co/zLEwRYsdbT (linux.softpedia.com)	Jul 26 19:27
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-linux.softpedia.com \| GNOME Initial Setup Gets a Revamp with New Functionality and Bugfixes - Softpedia		Jul 26 19:27
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/n9tnx	Jul 26 19:27
msb_	.	Jul 26 19:28
msb_	https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zXkVGxLmlAA	Jul 26 19:28
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schestowitz	https://twitter.com/FrancisJeffrey7/status/625448627633303553	Jul 26 19:34
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@FrancisJeffrey7: @schestowitz (did I see an Owl?)		Jul 26 19:34
schestowitz	I used t use RSSOwl for a few years....	Jul 26 19:34
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines How to Update Linux Kernel for Improved System	Jul 26 19:42
TweetTuxMachines	Performance http://t.co/YdpyrGnwiT	Jul 26 19:42
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.makeuseof.com \| How to Update Linux Kernel for Improved System Performance		Jul 26 19:42
TweetTuxMachines	(www.makeuseof.com)	Jul 26 19:42
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/n9tts	Jul 26 19:42
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines "The developers of the lightweight and	Jul 26 19:42
TweetTuxMachines	user-friendly #Claws Mail... release of the	Jul 26 19:42
TweetTuxMachines	major 3.12.0 version." http://t.co/0M1fYghz36	Jul 26 19:42
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-news.softpedia.com \| Claws Mail 3.12 Open Source Email Client Adds Dozens of New Features, Fixes 35 Bugs - Softpedia		Jul 26 19:42
TweetTuxMachines	(news.softpedia.com)	Jul 26 19:42
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/n9ttt	Jul 26 19:42
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Audio Programming with Open Source Languages	Jul 26 19:42
TweetTuxMachines	http://t.co/rQrSAMKtpw (www.linuxlinks.com)	Jul 26 19:42
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/n9ttu	Jul 26 19:42
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.linuxlinks.com \| Audio Programming with Open Source Languages - Linux Links - The Linux Portal Site		Jul 26 19:42
*TweetTuxMachines @DataVizAI favourited '"The developers of the lightweight and user-friendly #Claws...'		Jul 26 20:27
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines GNOME Initial Setup Gets a Revamp with New	Jul 26 20:27
TweetTuxMachines	Functionality and Bugfixes	Jul 26 20:27
TweetTuxMachines	http://t.co/9UK2rYZheT (www.tuxmachines.org)	Jul 26 20:27
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/n9u9d	Jul 26 20:27
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org \| GNOME Initial Setup Gets a Revamp with New Functionality and Bugfixes \| Tux Machines		Jul 26 20:27
cubexyz	right, Purism Librem Laptop is a bit of a bust	Jul 26 21:03
cubexyz	that's why I suggested getting a chromebox or chromebook	Jul 26 21:06
cubexyz	it comes with coreboot installed	Jul 26 21:06
cubexyz	you could spent 20 years or more learning all the ins and outs of a given laptop	Jul 26 21:08
cubexyz	plus the price of the Purism laptop was ridiculous	Jul 26 21:12
cubexyz	then you have the people at how-to geek telling people not to buy ARM based chromebooks!	Jul 26 21:15
cubexyz	actually I'm not at all sure about the status of coreboot on chromebooks with ARM cpu	Jul 26 21:20
cubexyz	early chromebooks a BIOS that was a reworked UEFI-based BIOS	Jul 26 21:26
cubexyz	2nd gen was x86 used a combination of coreboot and u-boot	Jul 26 21:27
cubexyz	so ARM-based samsung chromebooks use only U-boot, not coreboot	Jul 26 21:28
cubexyz	but u-boot is FOSS	Jul 26 21:29
cubexyz	my advice is don't be scared to buy a ARM chromebook	Jul 26 21:29
cubexyz	yes, it is true that flash plugin for firefox only works on x86	Jul 26 21:30
cubexyz	but so what	Jul 26 21:30
cubexyz	I am always KOing libflashplayer.so anyways	Jul 26 21:31
cubexyz	http://www.denx.de/wiki/U-Boot/SourceCode	Jul 26 21:32
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cubexyz	do we have source code for libflashplayer.so? Of course not	Jul 26 21:33
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines How to Update Linux Kernel for Improved System	Jul 27 02:38
TweetTuxMachines	Performance http://t.co/NwQ9s2SiDq	Jul 27 02:38
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org \| How to Update Linux Kernel for Improved System Performance \| Tux Machines		Jul 27 02:38
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/n9x84	Jul 27 02:38
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Duraivk	Hi Room	Jul 27 02:39
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schestowitz	> Roy,	Jul 27 03:23
schestowitz	>	Jul 27 03:23
schestowitz	> We've also posted this page:	Jul 27 03:23
schestowitz	> https://puri.sm/road-to-fsf-ryf-endorsement-and-beyond/	Jul 27 03:23
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-SSL connect error ( status 0 @ https://puri.sm/road-to-fsf-ryf-endorsement-and-beyond/ )		Jul 27 03:23
schestowitz	>	Jul 27 03:23
schestowitz	> Which gives a graphical representation of our road to FSF RYF	Jul 27 03:23
schestowitz	> endorsement. Which before was so strewn about it took some digging to	Jul 27 03:23
schestowitz	> get to it all.	Jul 27 03:23
schestowitz	>	Jul 27 03:23
schestowitz	> Let me know if that is clear to you, and if so, it should suffice.	Jul 27 03:23
schestowitz	>	Jul 27 03:23
schestowitz	> Thanks so much Roy!	Jul 27 03:23
schestowitz	As I predicated, and that's why I forewarned, Phoronix did some negative coverage. There might be more coming (don't know where from), but I think Phoronix based it on libreboot folks.	Jul 27 03:23
schestowitz	https://twitter.com/VisibilityShift/status/625527344841621504	Jul 27 03:25
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@VisibilityShift: @schestowitz #Puri_sm is not just working on it -- we are fully committed to liberating the BIOS. https://t.co/HVmmpCPPdw		Jul 27 03:25
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-SSL connect error ( status 0 @ https://puri.sm/posts/road-to-fsf-ryf-endorsement-and-beyond/ )		Jul 27 03:25
schestowitz	https://twitter.com/andygmz2000/status/625569194298490881	Jul 27 03:35
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-No status found with that ID.		Jul 27 03:35
schestowitz	https://twitter.com/andygmz2000/status/625569194298490881	Jul 27 03:35
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Samsung And Red Hat Team Up To Provide	Jul 27 04:28
TweetTuxMachines	Enterprise Software Solutions	Jul 27 04:28
TweetTuxMachines	http://t.co/HWhqHC33u3 (www.tuxmachines.org)	Jul 27 04:28
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/n9xy3	Jul 27 04:28
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org \| Samsung And Red Hat Team Up To Provide Enterprise Software Solutions \| Tux Machines		Jul 27 04:28
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Claws Mail 3.12 Open-Source Email Client Adds	Jul 27 04:28
TweetTuxMachines	Dozens of New Features, Fixes 35 Bugs	Jul 27 04:28
TweetTuxMachines	http://t.co/t3q03y7Fld (www.tuxmachines.org)	Jul 27 04:28
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/n9xy7	Jul 27 04:28
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Ubuntu defibrillates 14.10 for one LAST patch	Jul 27 05:56
TweetTuxMachines	http://t.co/GtitKmIXuh (www.tuxmachines.org)	Jul 27 05:56
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/n9yif	Jul 27 05:56
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org \| Ubuntu defibrillates 14.10 for one LAST patch \| Tux Machines		Jul 27 05:56
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Android Maintains Grip on France's Smartphone	Jul 27 05:56
TweetTuxMachines	Market http://t.co/mlYn20GFTt	Jul 27 05:56
TweetTuxMachines	(www.tuxmachines.org)	Jul 27 05:56
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/n9yij	Jul 27 05:56
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org \| Android Maintains Grip on France's Smartphone Market \| Tux Machines		Jul 27 05:56
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Should You Be Buying an Ubuntu Phone Right Now?	Jul 27 05:56
TweetTuxMachines	http://t.co/a9MEUzqQUz (www.tuxmachines.org)	Jul 27 05:56
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/n9yil	Jul 27 05:56
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org \| Should You Be Buying an Ubuntu Phone Right Now? \| Tux Machines		Jul 27 05:56
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Today in Techrights http://t.co/nrqb1UNurP	Jul 27 06:29
TweetTuxMachines	(www.tuxmachines.org)	Jul 27 06:29
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/n9yrq	Jul 27 06:29
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org \| Today in Techrights \| Tux Machines		Jul 27 06:29
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Ubuntu defibrillates 14.10 for one LAST patch	Jul 27 06:29
TweetTuxMachines	http://t.co/94uunxswkY (www.theregister.co.uk)	Jul 27 06:29
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.theregister.co.uk \| Ubuntu defibrillates 14.10 for one LAST patch • The Register		Jul 27 06:29
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/n9yrr	Jul 27 06:29
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines NVIDIA shows some Tegra Note 7 love with	Jul 27 06:29
TweetTuxMachines	Android 5.1 http://t.co/8t0S6TkX36	Jul 27 06:29
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.slashgear.com \| NVIDIA shows some Tegra Note 7 love with Android 5.1 - SlashGear		Jul 27 06:29
TweetTuxMachines	(www.slashgear.com)	Jul 27 06:29
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/n9yrs	Jul 27 06:29
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Should You Be Buying an Ubuntu Phone Right Now?	Jul 27 06:33
TweetTuxMachines	http://t.co/MxTQ32qRya (news.softpedia.com)	Jul 27 06:33
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-news.softpedia.com \| Should You Be Buying an Ubuntu Phone Right Now? - Softpedia		Jul 27 06:33
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/n9ysp	Jul 27 06:33
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Android Maintains Grip on France's Smartphone	Jul 27 06:33
TweetTuxMachines	Market http://t.co/MxTQ32qRya	Jul 27 06:33
TweetTuxMachines	(news.softpedia.com)	Jul 27 06:33
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/n9ysq	Jul 27 06:33
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Samsung And Red Hat Team Up To Provide	Jul 27 06:33
TweetTuxMachines	Enterprise Software Solutions	Jul 27 06:33
TweetTuxMachines	http://t.co/E9i7FzGojR (www.droidreport.com)	Jul 27 06:33
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/n9ysr	Jul 27 06:33
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.droidreport.com \| Samsung And Red Hat Team Up To Provide Enterprise Software Solutions		Jul 27 06:33
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Mesa 3D Graphics Library 10.6.3 Fixes Many	Jul 27 06:35
TweetTuxMachines	Issues in the Nouveau Video Driver	Jul 27 06:35
TweetTuxMachines	http://t.co/OrE9JZG2Gp (news.softpedia.com)	Jul 27 06:35
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TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/n9ytf	Jul 27 06:35
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Debian GNU/Linux No Longer Supports the SPARC	Jul 27 06:35
TweetTuxMachines	Hardware Architecture http://t.co/rbtG4AWAAv	Jul 27 06:35
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TweetTuxMachines	(linux.softpedia.com)	Jul 27 06:35
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/n9ytg	Jul 27 06:35
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines ExLight Linux Live DVD 64 bit with	Jul 27 06:35
TweetTuxMachines	Enlightenment 0.19.7 and kernel 4.0.0-4-exton	Jul 27 06:35
TweetTuxMachines	https://t.co/wUh69agtRl	Jul 27 06:35
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-extonlinux.wordpress.com \| ExLight Linux Live DVD 64 bit with Enlightenment 0.19.7 and kernel 4.0.0-4-exton \| Exton's International Blog		Jul 27 06:35
TweetTuxMachines	(extonlinux.wordpress.com)	Jul 27 06:35
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/n9yth	Jul 27 06:35
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Manjaro Linux Needs Your Help, Here's How You	Jul 27 06:36
TweetTuxMachines	Can Contribute http://t.co/SXRQa8AkSv	Jul 27 06:36
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-news.softpedia.com \| Manjaro Linux Needs Your Help, Here's How You Can Contribute - Updated - Softpedia		Jul 27 06:36
TweetTuxMachines	(news.softpedia.com)	Jul 27 06:36
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/n9ytq	Jul 27 06:36
*TweetTuxMachines @LukeVizzicks retweeted @tuxmachines: 'Mesa 3D Graphics Library 10.6.3 Fixes Many Issues...'		Jul 27 06:36
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Enlightenment 0.19.7 Desktop Environment	Jul 27 06:45
TweetTuxMachines	Improves X11 Compatibility with Older EFLs	Jul 27 06:45
TweetTuxMachines	http://t.co/NeyQOxophd (linux.softpedia.com)	Jul 27 06:45
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-linux.softpedia.com \| Enlightenment 0.19.7 Desktop Environment Improves X11 Compatibility with Older EFLs - Softpedia		Jul 27 06:45
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/n9ywf	Jul 27 06:45
*TweetTuxMachines @schestowitz retweeted @tuxmachines: 'Today in Techrights http://t.co/nrqb1UNurP'		Jul 27 06:45
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org \| Today in Techrights \| Tux Machines		Jul 27 06:45
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines How is Firefox OS Different from Android, iOS,	Jul 27 06:45
TweetTuxMachines	Windows Phone and Ubuntu Touch	Jul 27 06:45
TweetTuxMachines	http://t.co/7RSIZORdoz (fossbytes.com)	Jul 27 06:45
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-fossbytes.com \| How is Firefox OS Different from Android, iOS, Windows Phone and Ubuntu Touch		Jul 27 06:45
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/n9ywg	Jul 27 06:45
schestowitz	I am trying to buy stickers, but "The page you requested cannot be found!" is what I always get when adding to cart	Jul 27 06:52
schestowitz	Linux stickers	Jul 27 06:52
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schestowitz	https://twitter.com/unixstickers/status/625620786544517120	Jul 27 07:05
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@unixstickers: @schestowitz everything is working correctly from our tests and we are unable to reproduce this error, can you please try again?		Jul 27 07:05
schestowitz	I think I can see what the issue is. The site requires JS to work, and runs JS on my PC from SEVEN different domains.	Jul 27 07:06
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schestowitz	https://joindiaspora.com/posts/6389849	Jul 27 07:21
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: "Nintendo discovered it needs users to click "OK" to something..." https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2lupgHYiK9Q #blackmail by bricking consoles until "OK" pressed		Jul 27 07:21
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*TweetTuxMachines @tokvbok retweeted @tuxmachines: 'Should You Be Buying an Ubuntu Phone Right...'		Jul 27 07:41
TweetTuxMachines	@maxdan94 OTA: Shell rotation is with us! #UbuntuPhone	Jul 27 07:41
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines @JamalPeter @M_MKTLines @rboese	Jul 27 07:41
TweetTuxMachines	@schestowitz @aman_devy @ajaxdude	Jul 27 07:41
TweetTuxMachines	@TalleyDigital	Jul 27 07:41
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/n9zbc	Jul 27 07:41
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TweetTuxMachines	@LindsworthDeer @tuxmachines Samsung sells 1 million Tizen	Jul 27 09:22
TweetTuxMachines	smartphones while seeking Developers	Jul 27 09:22
TweetTuxMachines	http://t.co/QInNvjTOlq (error)	Jul 27 09:22
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TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/n9zze	Jul 27 09:22
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Apple Watch and Android compatibility: Should	Jul 27 09:22
TweetTuxMachines	it happen? http://t.co/yp62lXZ1YQ	Jul 27 09:22
TweetTuxMachines	(www.tuxmachines.org)	Jul 27 09:22
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/n9zzf	Jul 27 09:22
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org \| Apple Watch and Android compatibility: Should it happen? \| Tux Machines		Jul 27 09:22
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines NVIDIA shows some Tegra Note 7 love with	Jul 27 09:22
TweetTuxMachines	Android 5.1 http://t.co/gYxH8Tln0m	Jul 27 09:22
TweetTuxMachines	(www.tuxmachines.org)	Jul 27 09:22
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/n9zzg	Jul 27 09:22
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org \| NVIDIA shows some Tegra Note 7 love with Android 5.1 \| Tux Machines		Jul 27 09:22
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Eating our own dog food in open source	Jul 27 09:22
TweetTuxMachines	http://t.co/IsPliLr4ZE (www.tuxmachines.org)	Jul 27 09:22
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/n9zzh	Jul 27 09:22
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org \| Eating our own dog food in open source \| Tux Machines		Jul 27 09:22
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Today in Techrights http://t.co/RjilVXvLQN	Jul 27 09:22
TweetTuxMachines	(www.tuxmachines.org)	Jul 27 09:22
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/n9zzl	Jul 27 09:22
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schestowitz	https://twitter.com/readergordonbp/status/625642488666148864	Jul 27 11:51
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@readergordonbp: @schestowitz I have first-hand experience...(typed from Linux Mint)		Jul 27 11:51
schestowitz	https://twitter.com/CandidCanon/status/625661552033566720	Jul 27 11:51
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@CandidCanon: @schestowitz http://t.co/CCwzppOeYG Android Patents and the Linux world...		Jul 27 11:51
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights--> techrights.org \| Patents in the Android World Further Complicate Freedom in This Linux-Powered Platform \| Techrights		Jul 27 11:51
schestowitz	https://twitter.com/SleepyPenguin1/status/625683976024399872	Jul 27 11:51
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@SleepyPenguin1: Why Chrysler's car hack 'fix' is staggeringly stupid @ruskin147 @schestowitz http://t.co/Lvw44i7375		Jul 27 11:51
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights--> www.zdnet.com \| Why Chrysler's car hack 'fix' is staggeringly stupid \| ZDNet		Jul 27 11:51
schestowitz	https://twitter.com/SleepyPenguin1/status/625611719075885056	Jul 27 11:53
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@SleepyPenguin1: The Windows advantage @ruskin147 https://t.co/g3AGStcpVi		Jul 27 11:53
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz: If #microsoft manages to push many #windows users to #vista10 (even if by removing price tag), it won't be a success. Admission of defeat.		Jul 27 11:53
cubexyz	churnalists, that's a new one	Jul 27 11:56
cubexyz	journalists that advocate software churn?	Jul 27 11:57
cubexyz	ah, I see now, there's a wikipedia entry for it	Jul 27 11:58
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Phoronix on Graphics http://t.co/9t96SNsB0W	Jul 27 12:02
TweetTuxMachines	(www.tuxmachines.org)	Jul 27 12:02
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schestowitz	https://twitter.com/FrancisJeffrey7/status/625696858246094848	Jul 27 12:10
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@FrancisJeffrey7: @schestowitz Further example of fundamental defects cited in-- http://t.co/wJj8aY9evB		Jul 27 12:10
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@cryptostorm_is: This is the single the best summation of 20 years of internet privacy & security progress we've read in... forever: https://t.co/65NfYSCaL6		Jul 27 12:10
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines AMD issues new Linux drivers	Jul 27 12:14
TweetTuxMachines	http://t.co/qPjGmtJFev (www.fudzilla.com)	Jul 27 12:14
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/na19g	Jul 27 12:14
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.fudzilla.com \| AMD issues new Linux drivers		Jul 27 12:14
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Victor Vran Action RPG Is Now Available on	Jul 27 12:14
TweetTuxMachines	Steam for Linux	Jul 27 12:14
TweetTuxMachines	http://t.co/Gdhw470s1d (linux.softpedia.com)	Jul 27 12:14
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-linux.softpedia.com \| Victor Vran Action RPG Is Now Available on Steam for Linux - Softpedia		Jul 27 12:14
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/na19j	Jul 27 12:14
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Meizu MX4 Ubuntu Edition Review - A Diamond in	Jul 27 12:14
TweetTuxMachines	the Rough http://t.co/ypx30SUfOk	Jul 27 12:14
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-news.softpedia.com \| Meizu MX4 Ubuntu Edition Review - A Diamond in the Rough - Softpedia		Jul 27 12:14
TweetTuxMachines	(news.softpedia.com)	Jul 27 12:14
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schestowitz	https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Niccol%C3%B2_Machiavelli	Jul 27 12:43
schestowitz	""Machiavellianism" is a widely-used negative term to characterize unscrupulous politicians of the sort Machiavelli described in The Prince. The book itself gained enormous notoriety and wide readership because most readers assumed the author was teaching and endorsing evil and immoral behavior. Because of this, the term "Machiavellian" is often associated with deceit, deviousness, ambition, and brutality, although Machiavelli likely only	Jul 27 12:43
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-en.wikipedia.org \| Niccolò Machiavelli - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia [ http://ur1.ca/na1iw ]		Jul 27 12:43
schestowitz	used it as stylistic device to gain the reader's attention for his close analysis of the actual techniques used by rulers."	Jul 27 12:43
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cubexyz	I'll just use the word "Microsoftian" instead	Jul 27 12:50
cubexyz	"Please select which program you use for office documents: A] Microsoft Office 2000 B] Microsoft Office 97 C] Microsoft Office Pro D] Microsoft ... E] Microsoft ... F] Microsoft ... G] Microsoft ..."	Jul 27 12:52
cubexyz	a 'Microsoftian' Choice	Jul 27 12:52
MinceR	:>	Jul 27 12:53
MinceR	what about 'microsoftesque'?	Jul 27 12:53
cubexyz	yes, that word has been used before	Jul 27 12:54
cubexyz	I've had younge people tell me that they use microsoft everything so it's all compatible, e.g. microsoft mouse, microsoft keyboard etc	Jul 27 12:56
cubexyz	although I do think things are improving slowly	Jul 27 13:00
cubexyz	it was over 10 years ago when I heard talk like that	Jul 27 13:00
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Meizu MX4 Ubuntu Edition Gets Big Improvement	Jul 27 13:42
TweetTuxMachines	for Battery http://t.co/xdrWmOIowr	Jul 27 13:42
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-news.softpedia.com \| Meizu MX4 Ubuntu Edition Gets Big Improvement for Battery - Softpedia		Jul 27 13:42
TweetTuxMachines	(news.softpedia.com)	Jul 27 13:42
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/na1yc	Jul 27 13:42
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Manjaro Linux 0.8.13 Update with All the Latest	Jul 27 13:42
TweetTuxMachines	Linux Kernels http://t.co/pGxIk937Bi	Jul 27 13:42
TweetTuxMachines	(www.tuxmachines.org)	Jul 27 13:42
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org \| Manjaro Linux 0.8.13 Update with All the Latest Linux Kernels \| Tux Machines		Jul 27 13:42
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/na1yd	Jul 27 13:42
schestowitz	https://joindiaspora.com/posts/6390734	Jul 27 13:46
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: Today I heard from a #techrights reader (and Windows developer) who said he'd abandon #windows for #gnu #linux because of #vista10		Jul 27 13:46
schestowitz	"	Jul 27 13:46
schestowitz	Would have been better to abandon Windows for GNU//Linux because of freedom, but he still made a good move.	Jul 27 13:46
schestowitz	Also,Windows 8 was really bad. Why not leave Windows due to that?	Jul 27 13:46
schestowitz	"	Jul 27 13:46
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Next-gen Android One phone launches in India	Jul 27 14:09
TweetTuxMachines	for $176 http://t.co/u1TkjTNENV	Jul 27 14:09
TweetTuxMachines	(www.tuxmachines.org)	Jul 27 14:09
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org \| Next-gen Android One phone launches in India for $176 \| Tux Machines		Jul 27 14:09
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/na25y	Jul 27 14:09
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines LG's got a flip phone that runs Android	Jul 27 14:09
TweetTuxMachines	Lollipop http://t.co/UifrOGZMZ1	Jul 27 14:09
TweetTuxMachines	(www.tuxmachines.org)	Jul 27 14:09
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org \| LG's got a flip phone that runs Android Lollipop \| Tux Machines		Jul 27 14:09
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/na25z	Jul 27 14:09
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines UK health service nurtures open source	Jul 27 14:10
TweetTuxMachines	communities http://t.co/pcMC6ur0Ln	Jul 27 14:10
TweetTuxMachines	(www.tuxmachines.org)	Jul 27 14:10
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org \| UK health service nurtures open source communities \| Tux Machines		Jul 27 14:10
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/na260	Jul 27 14:10
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines The Companies That Support Linux: MariaDB	Jul 27 14:10
TweetTuxMachines	http://t.co/B1JOvNLAwT (www.tuxmachines.org)	Jul 27 14:10
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/na262	Jul 27 14:10
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org \| The Companies That Support Linux: MariaDB \| Tux Machines		Jul 27 14:10
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines FreeBSD Making Progress With Their Linux Binary	Jul 27 18:04
TweetTuxMachines	Emulation & More http://t.co/xHXCPYJvbV	Jul 27 18:04
TweetTuxMachines	(www.tuxmachines.org)	Jul 27 18:04
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/na3sj	Jul 27 18:04
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org \| FreeBSD Making Progress With Their Linux Binary Emulation & More \| Tux Machines		Jul 27 18:04
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Exton\|OS Light Distro Brings Linux Kernel 4.0	Jul 27 18:04
TweetTuxMachines	and Openbox to Ubuntu 15.04	Jul 27 18:04
TweetTuxMachines	http://t.co/g54wtFVd6o (www.tuxmachines.org)	Jul 27 18:04
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/na3sk	Jul 27 18:04
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org \| Exton\|OS Light Distro Brings Linux Kernel 4.0 and Openbox to Ubuntu 15.04 \| Tux Machines		Jul 27 18:04
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schestowitz	https://joindiaspora.com/posts/6393245	Jul 27 18:05
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: #microsoft knew that Vista "was a pig" was was afraid of releasing it to the public while lying to the public http://betanews.com/2008/11/21/hurd-s-the-word-in-ballmer-s-e-mail-nightmares/		Jul 27 18:05
schestowitz	"	Jul 27 18:05
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights--> betanews.com \| Hurd's the word in Ballmer's e-mail nightmares [ http://ur1.ca/na3t7 ]		Jul 27 18:06
schestowitz	I like this comment, another case of people getting what deserved:	Jul 27 18:06
schestowitz	“but you have to remember that, at least some, users’ decision to get vista was as technical as “it looks pretty”. Many people equate the interface and the overall look of an OS to it being better.”	Jul 27 18:06
schestowitz	Haha!	Jul 27 18:06
schestowitz	"	Jul 27 18:06
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MinceR	http://www.breitbart.com/big-hollywood/2015/07/20/enough-entire-entertainment-industry-says-no-more-to-social-justice-warriors/	Jul 27 20:02
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.breitbart.com \| Entertainment Industry Says 'No More' to Social Justice Warriors [ http://ur1.ca/na4kh ]		Jul 27 20:02
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Mr. Robot TV Show Now Uses BackTrack Linux's	Jul 27 20:42
TweetTuxMachines	Successor, Kali Linux for Hacking	Jul 27 20:42
TweetTuxMachines	http://t.co/Q6rST8aISm (www.tuxmachines.org)	Jul 27 20:42
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/na4to	Jul 27 20:42
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org \| Mr. Robot TV Show Now Uses BackTrack Linux's Successor, Kali Linux for Hacking \| Tux Machines		Jul 27 20:42
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Major update in cauldron http://t.co/Upk5zsJgjx	Jul 27 20:42
TweetTuxMachines	(mageia.nicolaslecureuil.fr)	Jul 27 20:42
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-mageia.nicolaslecureuil.fr \| Major update in cauldron \| from a kde POV		Jul 27 20:42
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/na4tq	Jul 27 20:42
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Three months with a Chromebook computer	Jul 27 21:53
TweetTuxMachines	http://t.co/R2XLgO828u (www.itworld.com)	Jul 27 21:53
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/na588	Jul 27 21:53
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.itworld.com \| Three months with a Chromebook computer \| ITworld		Jul 27 21:53
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines LG's got a flip phone that runs Android	Jul 27 21:53
TweetTuxMachines	Lollipop http://t.co/lNcsoO0Tm7	Jul 27 21:53
TweetTuxMachines	(www.engadget.com)	Jul 27 21:53
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.engadget.com \| LG's got a flip phone that runs Android Lollipop		Jul 27 21:53
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/na58b	Jul 27 21:53
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Next-gen Android One phone launches in India	Jul 27 21:53
TweetTuxMachines	for $176 http://t.co/OJM9EHl3eV (www.zdnet.com)	Jul 27 21:53
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.zdnet.com \| Next-gen Android One phone launches in India for $176 \| ZDNet		Jul 27 21:53
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/na58c	Jul 27 21:53
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cubexyz	ok, got a bit of an oddball situation with IDE devices	Jul 27 23:31
cubexyz	I'd like to add a 5th IDE device	Jul 27 23:31
oiaohm	Exactly how is that odd.	Jul 27 23:36
oiaohm	Per sata port in one of my systems I have 5 drives	Jul 27 23:36
oiaohm	Some of those are a mix of sata and ide.	Jul 27 23:36
oiaohm	cubexyz: http://cplonline.com.au/internal-ide-to-sata-adaptor-ada-ide-sata.html?gclid=CP_K64nz_MYCFQxwvAodFA8EKw	Jul 27 23:38
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-cplonline.com.au \| Internal IDE to SATA Adaptor - Biggest Range and Best Price \| Computers & Parts Land [ http://ur1.ca/na5wb ]		Jul 27 23:38
oiaohm	cubexyz: This combind with a sata mulitpier and you could put 5 pata drives to 1 sata port.	Jul 27 23:38
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oiaohm	cubexyz: remember sata/pata drive based off spinning media cannot fill a sata ports transfer speed. Yes stacking 5 of them onto a single port still puts less transfer load than using a solid state drive.	Jul 27 23:43
cubexyz	oiaohm, doesn't matter	Jul 27 23:46
cubexyz	I don't have any SATA devices	Jul 27 23:46
cubexyz	could a P3 benefit from using a SATA hard drive?	Jul 27 23:47
cubexyz	guess I'm well out of date	Jul 27 23:48
oiaohm	cubexyz: to be warped there is pata port on motherboard to sata convertors out there.	Jul 27 23:48
oiaohm	Yes I have put a sata multiplier on those not for performance just because I could.	Jul 27 23:49
oiaohm	The reality is that is getting hard to get pata drives cubexyz	Jul 27 23:49
cubexyz	oiaohm, yes I stockpiled quite a few CDROM drives	Jul 27 23:49
cubexyz	do they not make IDE devices at all now?	Jul 27 23:50
oiaohm	cubexyz: exactly why would you.	Jul 27 23:50
cubexyz	to keep my older computers working	Jul 27 23:51
oiaohm	There is sata drive to pata as well as pata drive to sata	Jul 27 23:51
oiaohm	converters	Jul 27 23:51
cubexyz	oiaohm, same reason why I watch out for SCSI-1 hard drives	Jul 27 23:51
cubexyz	the amiga 500 needs those	Jul 27 23:51
cubexyz	I have an interesting in classic computing	Jul 27 23:52
cubexyz	s/interesting/interest/	Jul 27 23:52
oiaohm	http://www.amazon.com/HDE-SATA-Drive-Interface-Adapter/dp/B002Y2NI4M	Jul 27 23:52
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oiaohm	cubexyz: this above	Jul 27 23:52
oiaohm	That takes a sata drive and turns it into a pata.	Jul 27 23:52
oiaohm	and there is fun products like this. http://www.addonics.com/products/adsalvd160.php	Jul 27 23:54
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cubexyz	looks like canada computers doesn't have any IDE drives now	Jul 27 23:54
oiaohm	That take a sata drives and turns them into scsi for old systems.	Jul 27 23:55
oiaohm	So fairly much sata converted to everything.	Jul 27 23:55
cubexyz	hardly that oiaohm :)	Jul 27 23:56
cubexyz	for one thing, there's no 50 pin connector	Jul 27 23:56
cubexyz	hopefully there's still lots of used drives kicking around	Jul 27 23:57
oiaohm	Not really a issue.	Jul 27 23:57
cubexyz	I realize I'm a very atypical computer user	Jul 27 23:57
oiaohm	There is a scsi Lvd 160 to scsi 50 pin converter.	Jul 27 23:57
oiaohm	Most cases with a sata drive you need a max of 1 converter.	Jul 27 23:57
oiaohm	Some odd ball cases you need 2.	Jul 27 23:57
oiaohm	Bigger issue is formating and size of drive.	Jul 27 23:58
cubexyz	looks like ebay has a fair number of SCSI-1 hard drives	Jul 27 23:58
oiaohm	Mostly old and buggered.	Jul 27 23:59
oiaohm	I work with alot of old systems	Jul 27 23:59
oiaohm	Stupid enough to get like 40G drive new its go solid state.	Jul 28 00:00
cubexyz	I'd consider a plug-compatible SSD	Jul 28 00:00
oiaohm	Note I stated with sata ssd then adaptors.	Jul 28 00:00
oiaohm	cubexyz: http://www.ebay.com/itm/NEW-2014-SCA-80-to-50-68-PIN-ULTRA-SCSI-II-III-LVD-SE-ADAPTER-9866-/301462107251 I guess never seen these.	Jul 28 00:02
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oiaohm	Basically there is very little reason to be playing around with Sata 1 drives other than historic perfection	Jul 28 00:03
cubexyz	there is one other consideration	Jul 28 00:03
oiaohm	So that sata to scsi converter + plus the last one.	Jul 28 00:03
cubexyz	the amiga 500 has an external hard drive with it's own case	Jul 28 00:03
oiaohm	Add in solid state that is down right small.	Jul 28 00:04
oiaohm	And all that fits perfectly.	Jul 28 00:04
cubexyz	so the new device must fit inside the case	Jul 28 00:04
oiaohm	Yep no problem	Jul 28 00:04
oiaohm	2.5 inch solid state drive	Jul 28 00:04
cubexyz	ok good :)	Jul 28 00:04
oiaohm	Tons of room for the converters.	Jul 28 00:04
oiaohm	Yes you can choose to use spinning media.	Jul 28 00:05
cubexyz	oiaohm, I have a quantum scsi-1 from 1990	Jul 28 00:05
cubexyz	still works good	Jul 28 00:05
cubexyz	and another one from 1993	Jul 28 00:05
cubexyz	for some reason those drives seemed to last a lot longer	Jul 28 00:06
oiaohm	Would that be a bigfoot ie 5 1/2 inch	Jul 28 00:06
cubexyz	no, 3.5"	Jul 28 00:06
oiaohm	I have a old scsi-1 quantum bigfoot that still works.	Jul 28 00:06
amarsh04	$ lsscsi	Jul 28 00:06
amarsh04	[0:0:6:0] disk IBM DCAS-34330W S65A /dev/sda	Jul 28 00:06
amarsh04	1998 era 2 GB IBM SCSI	Jul 28 00:06
oiaohm	amarsh04: the bigfoot is 250Meg	Jul 28 00:07
amarsh04	correction, 4GiB	Jul 28 00:07
amarsh04	huge... (-:	Jul 28 00:08
oiaohm	Yep compared to the big foot that is huge.	Jul 28 00:08
cubexyz	I think there was some limitation on the amiga 500 regarding the size	Jul 28 00:08
oiaohm	But also small.	Jul 28 00:08
cubexyz	can't remember now exactly	Jul 28 00:08
oiaohm	cubexyz: that will be your biggest problem.	Jul 28 00:08
amarsh04	had opengl and vdpau fail on my radeon 3850HD video card, finally went back to the onboad video (radeon 3200HD) and it worked again	Jul 28 00:09
cubexyz	I think I run the oldest stuff here :)	Jul 28 00:09
amarsh04	spent a long time looking for software issues first	Jul 28 00:09
oiaohm	cubexyz: http://www.idotpc.com/thestore/pc/SD-SATA-SD-Card-Reader-to-SATA-Adapter-p918.htm	Jul 28 00:09
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oiaohm	Yes for some of your really old machines to use new turns insane.	Jul 28 00:10
oiaohm	So SD to sata to get drive small enough in size then Sata to converter to get to right type. Then maybe adapter to get to right plug size.	Jul 28 00:10
cubexyz	I think the limit was 4 gigs on the amiga	Jul 28 00:12
cubexyz	32-bit limit	Jul 28 00:12
oiaohm	You hope so	Jul 28 00:13
cubexyz	no, I'm reading what others have done	Jul 28 00:13
cubexyz	I'm reasonably sure	Jul 28 00:13
oiaohm	SD you can still do 1G drives	Jul 28 00:13
oiaohm	Yes a new SD with converters is still faster than the old drives back then.	Jul 28 00:13
cubexyz	I think that's just the partition limit though	Jul 28 00:14
cubexyz	so maybe I could make a bunch of 4 gig partitions	Jul 28 00:14
oiaohm	cubexyz: http://www.tldp.org/HOWTO/Large-Disk-HOWTO-4.html The historic limits	Jul 28 00:16
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oiaohm	The most horible that I currently don't have a solution using new is the 512Meg limit.	Jul 28 00:16
oiaohm	Yes I can get around the 512meg limit but its a custom order.	Jul 28 00:16
cubexyz	oiaohm, that article seems to be limited to PCs	Jul 28 00:17
cubexyz	it would be Amiga firmware in my case	Jul 28 00:17
oiaohm	IDE controllers all kinda had the same limits.	Jul 28 00:17
cubexyz	not IDE, SCSI-1 :)	Jul 28 00:17
oiaohm	scsi-1 also had the same kinds of limits.	Jul 28 00:18
oiaohm	Same firmware screw ups.	Jul 28 00:18
cubexyz	not to mention microvax or sparc	Jul 28 00:18
cubexyz	how big did scsi-1 drives get?	Jul 28 00:19
cubexyz	my SCSI rom is gvpscsi.device v4.15	Jul 28 00:20
cubexyz	I think early Suns used SCSI-1 also	Jul 28 00:24
oiaohm	The worst is atari software screw up biggest drive 16 megs	Jul 28 00:25
oiaohm	To replace that hard drive using modern parts is 100 percent custom order.	Jul 28 00:25
cubexyz	atari ST?	Jul 28 00:26
cubexyz	which atari are we talking about	Jul 28 00:26
oiaohm	Yep Atari ST I what I am talking about.	Jul 28 00:30
oiaohm	I have a guy who does displays of historic computers.	Jul 28 00:30
oiaohm	I do parts for him using current day so least ammount of collectable is used.	Jul 28 00:31
cubexyz	some amiga folks are using CF drives	Jul 28 00:31
oiaohm	cubexyz: try buying a CF small enough these days.	Jul 28 00:31
oiaohm	Its custom order.	Jul 28 00:31
oiaohm	That one is where I need a lie to me module.	Jul 28 00:32
oiaohm	cubexyz: http://www.ebay.com.au/itm/like/381296786606?limghlpsr=true&hlpv=2&ops=true&viphx=1&hlpht=true&lpid=107&chn=ps	Jul 28 00:35
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oiaohm	Floppy drives are these.	Jul 28 00:35
oiaohm	yes that a 3.5 inch usb that replaces a 5 1/2 inch floppy drive.	Jul 28 00:35
cubexyz	5.25"	Jul 28 00:35
oiaohm	Opps	Jul 28 00:35
oiaohm	5 1/4	Jul 28 00:36
cubexyz	I might want to get a 5.25" for a vic-20 or c64	Jul 28 00:36
cubexyz	the drive that is	Jul 28 00:36
cubexyz	some stuff needs to be archived	Jul 28 00:36
oiaohm	I think there is a emulator for c64 drive.	Jul 28 00:36
cubexyz	I still have some 5.25" floppies that need to be read	Jul 28 00:37
cubexyz	rather careless of me to have waited this long	Jul 28 00:37
oiaohm	http://www.lemon64.com/forum/viewtopic.php?p=11488	Jul 28 00:38
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oiaohm	You want a catweasel.	Jul 28 00:38
cubexyz	sounds expensive	Jul 28 00:38
oiaohm	The controller is about 120 dollars and goes into a standard PCI socket.	Jul 28 00:40
cubexyz	original catweasel was for ISA	Jul 28 00:40
cubexyz	so I guess I want PCI, yes	Jul 28 00:40
oiaohm	Its up to revision 4 cubexyz	Jul 28 00:40
oiaohm	I have used it with a PCI-e to pci converter before.	Jul 28 00:40
oiaohm	Yes that uses standard floppy drives.	Jul 28 00:40
oiaohm	So the controller is expensive but the drives it needs is not.	Jul 28 00:41
cubexyz	do they still make catweasel?	Jul 28 00:41
cubexyz	don't think anyone has them in stock	Jul 28 00:42
oiaohm	They are hard to get now.	Jul 28 00:45
oiaohm	But there are still some places around with old stock.	Jul 28 00:45
oiaohm	cubexyz: https://icomp.de/shop-icomp/en/shop/product/keyrah-v2.html problem is we are doing this more and more.	Jul 28 00:53
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oiaohm	Keep the shell hide a PI inside emulating the old system.	Jul 28 00:53
cubexyz	yes	Jul 28 00:54
cubexyz	hard to avoid especially if you are into old PDP-11 stuff	Jul 28 00:54
cubexyz	the old devices are $$$	Jul 28 00:54
oiaohm	And for displays not dependable.	Jul 28 00:56
cubexyz	actually I'd buy a good microvax emulator	Jul 28 00:57
cubexyz	it would need to run old X and old Unix	Jul 28 00:59
oiaohm	cubexyz: if you like PDP-11 stuff I hope you have heard about this one http://labo.nshimizu.com/pop11.html	Jul 28 01:00
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oiaohm	That is not a emulator that is a reimplementation using current day tech.	Jul 28 01:00
cubexyz	I was looking at this:	Jul 28 01:01
cubexyz	http://opencores.org/project,w11,systems	Jul 28 01:01
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oiaohm	Ok that is another one.	Jul 28 01:02
cubexyz	they already tried Unix v5 on it	Jul 28 01:02
cubexyz	and 2.11BSD	Jul 28 01:02
cubexyz	cheaper than buying a real PDP-11/70 that's for sure	Jul 28 01:03
oiaohm	Really I think fpga is what going to keep lot of the historic systems alive for demostrations.	Jul 28 01:03
cubexyz	I wouldn't use their Unix v5 image	Jul 28 01:03
cubexyz	I have my own :)	Jul 28 01:03
oiaohm	Australia first supercomputer (that performance is crap) cannot be turned on because it requires the power of 4 suburbs.	Jul 28 01:03
oiaohm	Basically power half a million homes or this historic computer that is less powerful than a calculator.	Jul 28 01:04
cubexyz	some vacuum tube monster?	Jul 28 01:04
oiaohm	Yep.	Jul 28 01:05
oiaohm	Its full repaired and theorically operational.	Jul 28 01:05
oiaohm	Just no one is willing to pay the power bill to find out.	Jul 28 01:05
oiaohm	cubexyz: Its located right next to a substation is it is possible to turn it on.	Jul 28 01:06
cubexyz	CSIRAC?	Jul 28 01:06
cubexyz	well maybe there's an emulator for it	Jul 28 01:07
oiaohm	Yep CSIRAC	Jul 28 01:07
cubexyz	they should turn it on for an hour run some tests then shut it down	Jul 28 01:07
oiaohm	http://www.csse.unimelb.edu.au/dept/about/csirac/emulator.html	Jul 28 01:08
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oiaohm	We do have a fully working software emulator for it.	Jul 28 01:08
cubexyz	I draw the line at SSI era :)	Jul 28 01:09
msb_	Hard to believe a vacuum tube computer could come anywhere near the power of a $200 CPU chip today.	Jul 28 01:13
oiaohm	cubexyz: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MONIAC_Computer I have considered building one of these.	Jul 28 01:13
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oiaohm	cubexyz: just for the wrongness factor.	Jul 28 01:13
cubexyz	remember the sci-fi theme of later generations not being able to fix anything	Jul 28 01:14
cubexyz	it's just about true nowadays	Jul 28 01:14
oiaohm	msb_: depends on what class of vaccum some of the old analog designs are very hard to copy in digital.	Jul 28 01:15
cubexyz	planned obsolescence all the way	Jul 28 01:16
msb_	Not _very_ hard. But I assumed it's digital.	Jul 28 01:16
cubexyz	I can't even think of a laptop that's highly repairable	Jul 28 01:17
oiaohm	Some of the old valve based computers had analog maths circuits msb_	Jul 28 01:18
cubexyz	they are all a pain in the butt to take apart	Jul 28 01:18
oiaohm	For doing some very strange and special maths.	Jul 28 01:18
oiaohm	Those can give a modern day digital a run for it money.	Jul 28 01:18
msb_	oiaohm: I know. 55 years ago I worked in a biochem lab. They built their own analog computer modules.	Jul 28 01:19
oiaohm	fpga and the like we are starting to see some classes of cpus are starting to be able to beat valve based always.	Jul 28 01:20
msb_	For modelling enzymatic reactions.	Jul 28 01:20
cubexyz	I can live with emulators	Jul 28 01:20
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msb_	During WW2 there were mechanical analog computers for figuring out trajectories, etc.	Jul 28 01:36
amarsh04	I remember the analog computer at the University of Adelaide Physics laboratories	Jul 28 01:44
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines OnePlus 2: A Big Android Phone for Relatively	Jul 28 05:41
TweetTuxMachines	Little Money http://t.co/fHIp7SAfsJ	Jul 28 05:41
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TweetTuxMachines	(blogs.wsj.com)	Jul 28 05:41
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/na88a	Jul 28 05:41
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines After Firefox, LibreOffice Has Been Hacked to	Jul 28 05:41
TweetTuxMachines	Work on Wayland - Video http://t.co/pXRGP16Wqn	Jul 28 05:41
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-linux.softpedia.com \| After Firefox, LibreOffice Has Been Hacked to Work on Wayland - Video - Softpedia		Jul 28 05:41
TweetTuxMachines	(linux.softpedia.com)	Jul 28 05:41
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/na88b	Jul 28 05:41
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Fedora's Package Growth Rate Has Begun To Stall	Jul 28 05:58
TweetTuxMachines	http://t.co/xTGkKwfRa8 (www.phoronix.com)	Jul 28 05:58
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/na8cd	Jul 28 05:58
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.phoronix.com \| Fedora's Package Growth Rate Has Begun To Stall - Phoronix		Jul 28 05:58
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Canonical Apologizes for Telephony Regression	Jul 28 05:58
TweetTuxMachines	in Ubuntu Touch for Nexus 4, Fix Released	Jul 28 05:58
TweetTuxMachines	http://t.co/jRkjL8y7pW (news.softpedia.com)	Jul 28 05:58
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-news.softpedia.com \| Canonical Apologizes for Telephony Regression in Ubuntu Touch for Nexus 4, Fix Released - Softpedia		Jul 28 05:58
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/na8ce	Jul 28 05:58
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Canonical Apologizes for Telephony Regression	Jul 28 05:59
TweetTuxMachines	in Ubuntu Touch for Nexus 4, Fix Released	Jul 28 05:59
TweetTuxMachines	http://t.co/DEL4IUv6hm (www.tuxmachines.org)	Jul 28 05:59
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/na8cg	Jul 28 05:59
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org \| Canonical Apologizes for Telephony Regression in Ubuntu Touch for Nexus 4, Fix Released \| Tux Machines		Jul 28 05:59
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines BackBox 4.3 review: Not just for penetration	Jul 28 05:59
TweetTuxMachines	tests and security assessments	Jul 28 05:59
TweetTuxMachines	http://t.co/Y1Ov2XR98P (www.tuxmachines.org)	Jul 28 05:59
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/na8cj	Jul 28 05:59
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org \| BackBox 4.3 review: Not just for penetration tests and security assessments \| Tux Machines		Jul 28 05:59
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Following Debian's GNU/Hurd in 2015	Jul 28 05:59
TweetTuxMachines	http://t.co/dzkuCIsxbN (www.tuxmachines.org)	Jul 28 05:59
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/na8cn	Jul 28 05:59
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org \| Following Debian's GNU/Hurd in 2015 \| Tux Machines		Jul 28 06:00
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Open source software is the only way to keep up	Jul 28 06:00
TweetTuxMachines	http://t.co/laA4RdpTrV (www.tuxmachines.org)	Jul 28 06:00
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/na8cs	Jul 28 06:00
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org \| Open source software is the only way to keep up \| Tux Machines		Jul 28 06:00
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines LibreOffice 5.0 to Bring Better Support for	Jul 28 06:58
TweetTuxMachines	Special Scientific Formats	Jul 28 06:58
TweetTuxMachines	http://t.co/VJU6I2FeOy (www.tuxmachines.org)	Jul 28 06:58
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/na8ql	Jul 28 06:58
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org \| LibreOffice 5.0 to Bring Better Support for Special Scientific Formats \| Tux Machines		Jul 28 06:58
*TweetTuxMachines @RamiSilawi retweeted @tuxmachines: 'LibreOffice 5.0 to Bring Better Support for Special...'		Jul 28 06:58
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Links 28/7/2015: Linux 4.2 RC4, New Logos and	Jul 28 07:14
TweetTuxMachines	Bug 'Branding' for FUD http://t.co/aHN69cLepu	Jul 28 07:14
TweetTuxMachines	(techrights.org)	Jul 28 07:14
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/na8ul	Jul 28 07:14
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines "The MakerWare I run on Ubuntu works well."	Jul 28 07:14
TweetTuxMachines	https://t.co/DM5iwkZc9e (outflux.net)	Jul 28 07:14
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/na8un	Jul 28 07:14
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Android Auto secrets hint at vehicle diagnostic	Jul 28 07:14
TweetTuxMachines	app, expanded car integration	Jul 28 07:14
TweetTuxMachines	http://t.co/K6rzaA3cIk (arstechnica.com)	Jul 28 07:14
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/na8uo	Jul 28 07:14
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org \| Links 28/7/2015: Linux 4.2 RC4, New Logos and Bug ‘Branding’ for FUD \| Techrights		Jul 28 07:14
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-outflux.net \| 3D printing Poe « codeblog		Jul 28 07:14
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-arstechnica.com \| Android Auto secrets hint at vehicle diagnostic app, expanded car integration \| Ars Technica		Jul 28 07:14
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Lava Pixel V1 to launch as the second-gen	Jul 28 07:25
TweetTuxMachines	Android One smartphone	Jul 28 07:25
TweetTuxMachines	http://t.co/LUxtqxVgJi (www.gsmarena.com)	Jul 28 07:25
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/na8xz	Jul 28 07:25
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.gsmarena.com \| Lava Pixel V1 to launch as the second-gen Android One smartphone - GSMArena.com news		Jul 28 07:25
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines What to expect from the OnePlus 2, the most	Jul 28 07:25
TweetTuxMachines	hyped Android phone of the year	Jul 28 07:25
TweetTuxMachines	http://t.co/Yjfc7aughl (mashable.com)	Jul 28 07:25
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-mashable.com \| What to expect from the OnePlus 2, the most hyped Android phone of the year		Jul 28 07:25
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/na8y0	Jul 28 07:25
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Red Hat News http://t.co/uAwCmUKOsY	Jul 28 07:25
TweetTuxMachines	(www.tuxmachines.org)	Jul 28 07:25
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/na8y1	Jul 28 07:25
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org \| Red Hat News \| Tux Machines		Jul 28 07:25
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Leftovers: Gaming http://t.co/MDSyy9JOSG	Jul 28 07:27
TweetTuxMachines	(www.tuxmachines.org)	Jul 28 07:27
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/na8yg	Jul 28 07:27
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org \| Leftovers: Gaming \| Tux Machines		Jul 28 07:27
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines today's howtos http://t.co/8BrV7HgFua	Jul 28 07:27
TweetTuxMachines	(www.tuxmachines.org)	Jul 28 07:27
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/na8yh	Jul 28 07:27
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org \| today's howtos \| Tux Machines		Jul 28 07:27
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Leftovers: Software http://t.co/OwU6pNIx6B	Jul 28 07:27
TweetTuxMachines	(www.tuxmachines.org)	Jul 28 07:27
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/na8yi	Jul 28 07:27
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org \| Leftovers: Software \| Tux Machines		Jul 28 07:27
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines today's leftovers http://t.co/EQQslPP0ne	Jul 28 07:27
TweetTuxMachines	(www.tuxmachines.org)	Jul 28 07:27
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org \| today's leftovers \| Tux Machines		Jul 28 07:27
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/na8yk	Jul 28 07:27
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oiaohm	http://www.zdnet.com/article/want-to-remove-the-ads-from-solitaire-in-windows-10-thatll-be-1-49-a-month/	Jul 28 07:33
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.zdnet.com \| Want to remove the ads from Solitaire in Windows 10? That'll be $1.49 a month \| ZDNet [ http://ur1.ca/na8zt ]		Jul 28 07:33
oiaohm	O my I new Microsoft would have to come up with something.	Jul 28 07:33
oiaohm	boy is the media nuts about the recent andriod phone issue. Its in fact in a turnable off part of android. Ok horiblely had part to turn off requiring adb shell but it does have a off switch.	Jul 28 07:46
cubexyz	doesn't windows have ads built-in now?	Jul 28 07:49
cubexyz	I haven't used windows in quite some time so my info is out of date	Jul 28 07:50
oiaohm	Not normally in default applications of the OS.	Jul 28 07:51
oiaohm	Trail ware yes.	Jul 28 07:51
cubexyz	WGA, activation, forced patches, and ads in solitaire	Jul 28 07:52
cubexyz	people will be reminiscing about the good ol' days of win2k	Jul 28 07:54
oiaohm	You missed sign in with microsoft accounts.	Jul 28 07:54
cubexyz	and by "good ol' days" I mean less shitty	Jul 28 07:54
oiaohm	So Microsoft tracks when you use your computer.	Jul 28 07:54
cubexyz	what, like MSN?	Jul 28 07:55
cubexyz	never used that	Jul 28 07:55
oiaohm	cubexyz: outlook.com	Jul 28 07:56
oiaohm	Default setup windows 8.x and 10 instead of creating a local account it asks you to use existing or create a new account with outlook.com	Jul 28 07:56
oiaohm	cubexyz: yes password is then changable by Microsoft server as well.	Jul 28 07:59
cubexyz	oiaohm, I know the source code for win2k solitaire was leaked	Jul 28 08:05
cubexyz	of course, best to avoid windows altogether	Jul 28 08:06
cubexyz	reversi as well	Jul 28 08:07
cubexyz	the tendency for microsoft these days is to remove stuff	Jul 28 08:13
cubexyz	kind of like SCO Xenix... you want a compiler it's $$$ extra, you want tcp/ip, it's extra, etc	Jul 28 08:14
oiaohm	Really microsoft use to sell their complier as well.	Jul 28 08:16
cubexyz	they don't any more?	Jul 28 08:18
oiaohm	The sdks with compliers for Windows has been free for years.	Jul 28 08:19
oiaohm	Ok crap from standards point of view but free.	Jul 28 08:19
cubexyz	can you recall which compiler they used to build windows 2000?	Jul 28 08:21
oiaohm	cubexyz: the complier in the driver development kit for Windows 2000	Jul 28 08:26
oiaohm	https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Windows_Driver_Kit	Jul 28 08:27
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cubexyz	I think that has vanished	Jul 28 08:32
cubexyz	but maybe someone archived it	Jul 28 08:32
cubexyz	I got vc6	Jul 28 08:35
cubexyz	probably good enough to compile some chunks	Jul 28 08:35
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oiaohm	cubexyz: no vc6 is different to the OS builder.	Jul 28 08:52
oiaohm	cubexyz: reactos does have a sdk based on mingw that is fairly able.	Jul 28 08:52
cubexyz	vc6 didn't seem to like wine too much	Jul 28 08:52
oiaohm	vc6 complier is from the psdk	Jul 28 08:53
oiaohm	Yes Microsoft has been making 2 compliers.	Jul 28 08:53
oiaohm	one for building userspace stuff and one for building kernel stuff.	Jul 28 08:53
oiaohm	Never in the middle should meet.	Jul 28 08:53
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Razer confirms Ouya purchase in bid to take	Jul 28 08:55
TweetTuxMachines	over Android TV gaming http://t.co/X7PyVEnqgx	Jul 28 08:55
TweetTuxMachines	(www.theverge.com)	Jul 28 08:55
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.theverge.com \| Razer confirms Ouya purchase in bid to take over Android TV gaming \| The Verge		Jul 28 08:55
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/na9ly	Jul 28 08:55
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Razer hopes Ouya acquistion will fuel an	Jul 28 08:55
TweetTuxMachines	Android-powered revolution	Jul 28 08:55
TweetTuxMachines	http://t.co/TXAOQ8GKjl (www.polygon.com)	Jul 28 08:55
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TweetTuxMachines	http://t.co/X7PyVEnqgx (www.theverge.com)	Jul 28 08:55
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/na9m0	Jul 28 08:55
cubexyz	hey oiaohm	Jul 28 09:02
cubexyz	http://www.maxhost.org/other/secret-stuff-do-not-look.png	Jul 28 09:02
cubexyz	the microsoft version of solitaire wasn't that great	Jul 28 09:04
oiaohm	cubexyz: that is why it so supid.	Jul 28 09:04
oiaohm	stupid	Jul 28 09:04
oiaohm	Charging money for something you did release the source code to.	Jul 28 09:05
cubexyz	they actually released the source code?	Jul 28 09:05
cubexyz	it got leaked	Jul 28 09:06
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cubexyz	as far as I know	Jul 28 09:08
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Links 28/7/2015: Linux 4.2 RC4, New Logos and	Jul 28 09:16
TweetTuxMachines	retweeted by Bug 'Branding' for FUD http://t.co/aHN69cLepu	Jul 28 09:16
TweetTuxMachines	@schestowitz (techrights.org)	Jul 28 09:16
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/na9w1	Jul 28 09:16
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines New home storage box with Fedora and ARM	Jul 28 09:16
TweetTuxMachines	http://t.co/VzIV6tVYnp (kushaldas.in)	Jul 28 09:16
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/na9w2	Jul 28 09:16
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Submerged, A Third-person Combat-free Adventure	Jul 28 09:16
TweetTuxMachines	Game May Get Linux Support	Jul 28 09:16
TweetTuxMachines	https://t.co/YbDK2jNcfD (www.gamingonlinux.com)	Jul 28 09:16
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/na9w7	Jul 28 09:16
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org \| Links 28/7/2015: Linux 4.2 RC4, New Logos and Bug ‘Branding’ for FUD \| Techrights		Jul 28 09:16
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-kushaldas.in \| New home storage box with Fedora and ARM		Jul 28 09:16
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines The Raven - Legacy Of A Master Thief Now	Jul 28 09:29
TweetTuxMachines	Available On GOG For Linux	Jul 28 09:29
TweetTuxMachines	https://t.co/8WLJMdKs03 (www.gamingonlinux.com)	Jul 28 09:29
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/na9zh	Jul 28 09:29
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.gamingonlinux.com \| The Raven - Legacy Of A Master Thief Now Available On GOG For Linux \| GamingOnLinux		Jul 28 09:29
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Starship Rubicon, A Space Combat Roguelike	Jul 28 09:30
TweetTuxMachines	Updated With A Linux Port, Some Thoughts	Jul 28 09:30
TweetTuxMachines	https://t.co/qvwiExR1pM (www.gamingonlinux.com)	Jul 28 09:30
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/na9zi	Jul 28 09:30
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.gamingonlinux.com \| Starship Rubicon, A Space Combat Roguelike Updated With A Linux Port, Some Thoughts \| GamingOnLinux		Jul 28 09:30
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Akademy 2015 videos available	Jul 28 09:30
TweetTuxMachines	https://t.co/jw3DJ5fdVd (dot.kde.org)	Jul 28 09:30
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/na9zj	Jul 28 09:30
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-dot.kde.org \| Akademy 2015 videos available \| KDE.news		Jul 28 09:30
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines "Elite Kubuntu developer Scarlett wins an	Jul 28 09:36
TweetTuxMachines	Akademy Award!" http://t.co/BwGy5QiAdr	Jul 28 09:36
TweetTuxMachines	(jriddell.org)	Jul 28 09:36
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-jriddell.org \| Akademy A Coruña Photos \| Jonathan Riddell's Diary		Jul 28 09:36
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/naa19	Jul 28 09:36
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines "LidarViewer is Linux specific. As a Linux	Jul 28 09:36
TweetTuxMachines	user, that made me really happy"	Jul 28 09:36
TweetTuxMachines	http://t.co/lk3c8Mv1Xa (opensource.com)	Jul 28 09:36
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-opensource.com \| 3D data manipulation in LidarViewer \| Opensource.com		Jul 28 09:36
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/naa1a	Jul 28 09:36
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Open source runs Croatia’s geospatial services	Jul 28 09:36
TweetTuxMachines	platforms http://t.co/R2WzkGOMCV	Jul 28 09:36
TweetTuxMachines	(www.tuxmachines.org)	Jul 28 09:36
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org \| Open source runs Croatia’s geospatial services platforms \| Tux Machines		Jul 28 09:36
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/naa1c	Jul 28 09:36
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Standardisation process should be open, study	Jul 28 09:40
TweetTuxMachines	shows http://t.co/ULjvFOgC6N	Jul 28 09:40
TweetTuxMachines	(www.tuxmachines.org)	Jul 28 09:40
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org \| Standardisation process should be open, study shows \| Tux Machines		Jul 28 09:40
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/naa2h	Jul 28 09:40
*TweetTuxMachines @ekimetrics favourited 'Open source runs Croatia’s geospatial services platforms http://t.co/R2WzkGOMCV'		Jul 28 09:40
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MinceR	to msb_, the world is black and white, and the Holy Trinity of putin, kim jong-un and xi jinping will save us all in a Holy Global Dictatorship	Jul 28 14:26
msb_	MinceR: Please stop lying about me and making false claims about what I think.	Jul 28 14:27
MinceR	msb_: please stop supporting causes and people you know jack shit about.	Jul 28 14:29
msb_	MinceR: What "causes and people" are you claiming that I support? Please give actual quotes from what I have written.	Jul 28 14:30
MinceR	like putin and his little adventure in ukraine and the baltic states	Jul 28 14:30
MinceR	and the chemtrail bullshit	Jul 28 14:31
msb_	MinceR: Every alternative news source says that the US backed a Nazi regime in Ukraine. For example: http://www.globalresearch.ca/the-u-s-has-installed-a-neo-nazi-government-in-ukraine/5371554	Jul 28 14:33
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.globalresearch.ca \| The U.S. has Installed a Neo-Nazi Government in Ukraine \| Global Research - Centre for Research on Globalization [ http://ur1.ca/ji3em ]		Jul 28 14:33
msb_	MinceR: What are you referring to regarding the Baltic states?	Jul 28 14:34
MinceR	that russia communicated that they're investigating the legality of the secession of Estonia, Latvia and Lithuania from the USSR	Jul 28 14:36
MinceR	which means he wants to annex them as well	Jul 28 14:36
MinceR	and i suspect he also wants Poland	Jul 28 14:36
msb_	MinceR: This site contains lots of good evidence for chemtrails aka geoengineering: http://www.geoengineeringwatch.org/	Jul 28 14:36
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.geoengineeringwatch.org \| Geoengineering Watch \| Exposing the climate engineering/geoengineering cover-up		Jul 28 14:36
MinceR	your "alternative news sources" are repeaters of putin's propaganda, and you defined them by that act	Jul 28 14:36
msb_	MinceR: Here is a recent talk by the same investigator: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zXkVGxLmlAA	Jul 28 14:37
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.youtube.com \| Geoengineering Exposed At California Jam 2015 - YouTube [ http://ur1.ca/n9toj ]		Jul 28 14:37
MinceR	but i guess the West can just keep appeasing putler by giving him further areas, that worked so well with hitler!	Jul 28 14:37
MinceR	it certainly did not lead to the second world war	Jul 28 14:37
msb_	MinceR: I have never heard of what you wrote about Estonia, Latvia Lithuania and Poland, and certainly have never written about it.	Jul 28 14:39
MinceR	of course, your "alternative news sources" would never mention it	Jul 28 14:40
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msb_	MinceR: Here are five alternative news sources that I recommend, that have no connection whatsoever with Russia or Putin. Since they all disagree with you, MinceR, it's obvious that your claims, and your obsession with Putin, need rethinking.	Jul 28 14:57
msb_	Global Research http://www.globalresearch.ca/	Jul 28 14:57
msb_	Op-Ed News http://www.opednews.com/	Jul 28 14:57
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.globalresearch.ca \| Global Research - Centre for Research on Globalization		Jul 28 14:57
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.opednews.com \| Opednews.com Progressive, Liberal United States and International News, Opinion, Op-Eds and Politics		Jul 28 14:57
msb_	Truth-Out http://www.truth-out.org/	Jul 28 14:57
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.truth-out.org \| Truthout \| Fearless, Independent News and Opinion		Jul 28 14:57
msb_	Free Critical Thinking http://freecriticalthinking.org/	Jul 28 14:57
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-freecriticalthinking.org \| Home		Jul 28 14:57
msb_	Paul Craig Roberts http://www.paulcraigroberts.org/	Jul 28 14:57
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.paulcraigroberts.org \| Paul Craig Roberts - Official Homepage		Jul 28 14:57
msb_	MinceR: BTW, what motivated your attack on me today?	Jul 28 14:58
MinceR	your response to a link i pasted in which you basically ignored the contents of the article.	Jul 28 14:59
msb_	MinceR: Here are two more excellent non-Russian alternative news sites that disagree with you:	Jul 28 15:03
msb_	Common Dreams http://www.commondreams.org/	Jul 28 15:03
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.commondreams.org \| Common Dreams \| Breaking News & Views for the Progressive Community		Jul 28 15:03
msb_	TomDispatch http://www.tomdispatch.com/	Jul 28 15:03
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tomdispatch.com \| TomDispatch		Jul 28 15:03
MinceR	how often do these "news sites" repeat the garbage that comes out of RT?	Jul 28 15:04
MinceR	apparently global"research".ca does	Jul 28 15:04
MinceR	North Korea, a Land of Human Achievement, Love and Joy	Jul 28 15:04
MinceR	—Everything you need to know about Globalresearch in a nutshell	Jul 28 15:04
msb_	MinceR: Are you talking about your link to a fascist website, breitbart, that attacked people who criticize video games and movies for constantly showing rapes and murders of women?	Jul 28 15:05
MinceR	yes, i'm talking about a link to an article you did not read	Jul 28 15:06
MinceR	http://www.cnx-software.com/2015/07/27/new-fcc-rules-may-prevent-installing-openwrt-on-wifi-routers/	Jul 28 15:06
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.cnx-software.com \| New FCC Rules May Prevent Installing OpenWRT on WiFi Routers [ http://ur1.ca/nachk ]		Jul 28 15:06
msb_	MinceR: If that's the article you're talking about, I did read it.	Jul 28 15:06
MinceR	good thing north korea isn't "fascist", right?	Jul 28 15:08
msb_	MinceR: Are you claiming that I have written something positive about North Korea? (I may have mentioned that the US govt murdered 30% of its population in the Korean War.)	Jul 28 15:10
msb_	MinceR: But I gave information about breitbart and SJWs that that fascist website omitted.	Jul 28 15:12
MinceR	you're obviously infatuated with marxist ideology, which north korea applies to the fullest extent	Jul 28 15:13
MinceR	it's also probably the worst dictatorship on the planet, and you obviously love dictatorships	Jul 28 15:13
msb_	MinceR: You are lying about me again. I have said that I favor entirely democratic socialism, NOT a dictatorship by a central communist party. And NOT -- you are lying again MinceR -- dictatorships of any kind.	Jul 28 15:14
MinceR	and yet the countries, regimes and dictators you keep raving about are about as far from democratic as possible	Jul 28 15:15
MinceR	i wouldn't worry if i were you though	Jul 28 15:16
MinceR	the way things are going, it won't be long until the entire earth is covered in regimes like north korea	Jul 28 15:16
MinceR	including the usa	Jul 28 15:16
MinceR	humans apparently hate their freedom and will do anything to get rid of it	Jul 28 15:16
msb_	MinceR: What "countries, regimes and dictators" do you claim I am "raving about"? Please give ACTUAL QUOTES from what I have written, NOT your imaginings.	Jul 28 15:16
MinceR	russia, north korea, venezuela	Jul 28 15:17
MinceR	and no, i'm not going to waste my time on searching my logs from the garbage you posted	Jul 28 15:17
MinceR	s/from/for/	Jul 28 15:17
msb_	MinceR: In other words, you refuse to give any evidence to support your lies about me.	Jul 28 15:18
msb_	MinceR: You are wrong about humans and freedom. Humans want to have food to eat and a place to live; those are our highest priorities. But we also desire freedom, unless we have been lied to so much, e.g., by the US govt, that we support operations that are taking away our freedom.	Jul 28 15:21
MinceR	humans would want that, if they were rational at all	Jul 28 15:21
MinceR	yet here we are, in systems that are (or were) democratic enough to show the preferences of the citizens	Jul 28 15:21
MinceR	with pretty strong evidence that they wanted to lose their freedom and prosperity	Jul 28 15:22
MinceR	and here we have you, advertising the rebuild of imperial russia and the (repeated) destruction of the eastern bloc	Jul 28 15:22
MinceR	(granted, you seem to be easily misled by the symbols people and groups use to refer to themselves)	Jul 28 15:23
MinceR	(like the mostly false distinction between state socialism and fascism/national socialism)	Jul 28 15:23
msb_	MinceR: The US govt has created several Islamic terror organizations, perpetrated the 911 attacks, and by setting up a Nazi govt in Ukraine has motivated Russia to annex the eastern edge of Ukraine at the request of its citizens. The US govt has done all this to frighten its own population into accepting the govt's attacks on other nations, which have murdered millions.	Jul 28 15:26
MinceR	...which makes putin a saint, how?	Jul 28 15:26
balrog	msb_: can you stop pushing your propaganda here?	Jul 28 15:26
balrog	first of all, that's extremely offensive; second, it doesn't belong in #TECHrights	Jul 28 15:27
MinceR	the government of the USA does horrible things, but this doesn't make them worse than russia or north korea.	Jul 28 15:27
MinceR	also, what balrog said.	Jul 28 15:27
msb_	balrog: I am answering attacks on me by MinceR, which came out of the blue. Perhaps you would ask him to stop posting attacks on me?	Jul 28 15:27
MinceR	yeah, it started when he kicked back!	Jul 28 15:28
msb_	balrog: And why don't you object to MinceR posting political material here?	Jul 28 15:28
balrog	well, I do keep these things called exhaustive logs	Jul 28 15:28
msb_	Yes, so do I.	Jul 28 15:28
MinceR	also, the world was created last thursday, and there's no history before then, obviously	Jul 28 15:28
msb_	balrog: What do logs have to do with this?	Jul 28 15:29
MinceR	and if msb_ could have been bothered to read the article he commented on, he would have noticed that it touches largely on the matter of video games	Jul 28 15:29
balrog	I did see MinceR's link to Breitbart about "SJWs" (which msb_'s response was fairly accurate to)	Jul 28 15:29
MinceR	which is pretty tech	Jul 28 15:29
balrog	(sorry MinceR I've been following this for a while)	Jul 28 15:29
msb_	balrog: And why don't you object to MinceR pushing HIS propaganda here. Is it because you agree with him?	Jul 28 15:29
balrog	but then it degenerated	Jul 28 15:30
balrog	due to both of you	Jul 28 15:30
MinceR	as for the sjw issue, it seems to me that most people on both sides haven't researched the original claim the whole issue was about	Jul 28 15:31
MinceR	and just picked up a label and started attacking the other team	Jul 28 15:31
balrog	MinceR: have you???	Jul 28 15:31
MinceR	which probably does more harm than good	Jul 28 15:31
balrog	msb_: at this point, the initial argument is a moot point.	Jul 28 15:31
MinceR	balrog: i've looked into it	Jul 28 15:31
balrog	what was the "original claim the whole issue was about"?	Jul 28 15:31
MinceR	balrog: i decided that there are suspicious arguments on both sides and i can't really verify either	Jul 28 15:31
MinceR	iirc it was that thing about that journalist allegedly providing positive reviews about a game in exchange for sex	Jul 28 15:32
msb_	balrog: This is the original attack post by MinceR that started this discussion: "<MinceR> to msb_, the world is black and white, and the Holy Trinity of putin, kim jong-un and xi jinping will save us all in a Holy Global Dictatorship"	Jul 28 15:33
MinceR	yeah, there was no history before then	Jul 28 15:33
msb_	balrog: Note that MinceR's attack has nothing to do with breitbart and SJWs. He seems to be obsessed with me, and anything I write sets him off.	Jul 28 15:34
MinceR	i noticed an underlying theme	Jul 28 15:34
balrog	I see plenty of anti-US stuff from you yesterday	Jul 28 15:35
balrog	as well as ##conspiracy stuff	Jul 28 15:35
msb_	balrog: If you are talking about me, please give some quotes so I can search for what you are referring to.	Jul 28 15:39
balrog	two days ago: "There is a flap going on on some of my mailing lists about a (relatively) new cure for cancer and autism, banned by the US govt, and doctors who used it being killed!"	Jul 28 15:39
balrog	that tells me more about your mailing lists than what actually is happening	Jul 28 15:40
balrog	;-)	Jul 28 15:40
MinceR	:>	Jul 28 15:40
balrog	err three days ago	Jul 28 15:40
msb_	Did you look at the reference(s) I gave?	Jul 28 15:40
MinceR	stuff that cures everything should be suspect from the get go	Jul 28 15:41
balrog	when the reference you gave has a headline saying "2 MIN NEWS TO ABOLISH THE CORPORATE GOVERNMENT "Because every dark cloud has a silver IODIDE lining", BECA– USE THERE IS A WAR ON FOR YOUR MIND,Your Mind is Your Weapon" ...	Jul 28 15:41
balrog	....lol	Jul 28 15:41
MinceR	lol	Jul 28 15:41
abeNd-org	awww, that cure-all developed by the n.koreans isnt real?	Jul 28 15:41
balrog	sorry but not sorry	Jul 28 15:41
MinceR	it isn't unless it's death	Jul 28 15:41
MinceR	technically most afflictions end with death	Jul 28 15:42
msb_	balrog: The "dark cloud" quote you are giving from a site that you say I linked to, is _metaphor_. Do you object to that?	Jul 28 15:43
balrog	I object to relying on a site full of that kind of crap	Jul 28 15:44
msb_	Here is a recent and very detailed article about the cancer cure. Note that it works by activating the immune system (specifically macrophages), so it's reasonable that it may help in many different kinds of disease.	Jul 28 15:45
msb_	http://www.naturalnews.com/050553_Dr_Bradstreet_GcMAF_cancer_therapy.html	Jul 28 15:45
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.naturalnews.com \| INVESTIGATION: Three days before Dr. Bradstreet was found dead in a river, U.S. govt. agents raided his research facility to seize a breakthrough cancer treatment called GcMAF - NaturalNews.com [ http://ur1.ca/nacu4 ]		Jul 28 15:45
balrog	http://www.washingtonpost.com/news/morning-mix/wp/2015/07/16/the-mysterious-death-of-a-doctor-who-peddled-autism-cures-to-thousands/	Jul 28 15:46
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.washingtonpost.com \| The mysterious death of a doctor who peddled autism ‘cures’ to thousands - The Washington Post [ http://ur1.ca/nacue ]		Jul 28 15:46
msb_	balrog: If you consider metaphor to be "that kind of crap", then I suggest you attempt to enhance your understanding of language.	Jul 28 15:47
msb_	balrog: Dr Bradstreet (before he was murdered) and others who were using GcMAF for autism claimed substantial success. But the WaPo article you link to uses the word "peddled" and puts quotes around the word "cured" which implies that his cures were fakes.	Jul 28 15:54
MinceR	were his cures proven in proper double blind clinical testing?	Jul 28 15:54
balrog	is there evidence to substantiate his claims that are not from him or people affiliated with him?	Jul 28 15:54
MinceR	also, how does an "activated" immune system defeat autism?	Jul 28 15:55
msb_	balrog: If you have not yet realized that the US corporate media tells LIES to support the US govt and corporations, I suggest that you compare articles from the corporate media with ones from the seven alternative news sites I gave, and that you use critical thinking to decide who is lying and who is telling the truth.	Jul 28 15:56
MinceR	good thing no other government or corporate media ever tells lies	Jul 28 15:56
MinceR	oh wait	Jul 28 15:56
msb_	I have no idea how an activated immune system defeats autism (claimed in most cases, not all). Unless the autism is being caused by an as yet unisolated virus.	Jul 28 15:57
msb_	MinceR: Of course some other govts and corp media lie.	Jul 28 15:58
msb_	balrog: You may be aware that viruses that have not been isolated, and for which, e.g., fluorescent-tagged antibodies have not been produced, are extremely difficult to detect. They just look like small particles under the electron microscope, undifferentiated from a myriad of other small particles.	Jul 28 16:01
balrog	msb_: can you stop treating me like an idiot?	Jul 28 16:01
msb_	balrog: How have I done that?	Jul 28 16:02
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msb_	balrog: I don't know how much you know about viruses. So if I gave information which you already know, I was not "treating [you] like an idiot".	Jul 28 16:06
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MinceR	http://www.commitstrip.com/en/2015/07/28/betting-on-the-right-horse/	Jul 28 17:04
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.commitstrip.com \| Betting on the right horse \| CommitStrip - Blog relating the daily life of web agencies developers [ http://ur1.ca/nadi7 ]		Jul 28 17:04
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Open Source Is Going Even More Open—Because It	Jul 28 17:08
TweetTuxMachines	Has To http://t.co/mjQ6mYmPMR	Jul 28 17:08
TweetTuxMachines	(www.tuxmachines.org)	Jul 28 17:08
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/nadj6	Jul 28 17:08
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org \| Open Source Is Going Even More Open—Because It Has To \| Tux Machines		Jul 28 17:08
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Student researchers collaborate virtually with	Jul 28 17:08
TweetTuxMachines	help of open-source software	Jul 28 17:08
TweetTuxMachines	http://t.co/HhQZSRY3tJ (www.tuxmachines.org)	Jul 28 17:08
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/nadja	Jul 28 17:08
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org \| Student researchers collaborate virtually with help of open-source software \| Tux Machines		Jul 28 17:08
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Move over Skype, Facetime, Hangouts. Here comes	Jul 28 17:09
TweetTuxMachines	Spreedbox, a fully open source, secure	Jul 28 17:09
TweetTuxMachines	videoconferencing solution	Jul 28 17:09
TweetTuxMachines	http://t.co/lhOQMAnA7U (www.tuxmachines.org)	Jul 28 17:09
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/nadjb	Jul 28 17:09
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org \| Move over Skype, Facetime, Hangouts. Here comes Spreedbox, a fully open source, secure videoconferencing solution \| Tux Machines		Jul 28 17:09
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Canonical Closes QEMU Vulnerabilities in Ubuntu	Jul 28 17:09
TweetTuxMachines	15.04 and Ubuntu 14.04 LTS	Jul 28 17:09
TweetTuxMachines	http://t.co/h8ROCwk1Gj (www.tuxmachines.org)	Jul 28 17:09
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/nadjc	Jul 28 17:09
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org \| Canonical Closes QEMU Vulnerabilities in Ubuntu 15.04 and Ubuntu 14.04 LTS \| Tux Machines		Jul 28 17:09
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schestowitz	MinceR: This is what it's like for developers to bet on the microsoft horse these days	Jul 28 17:25
schestowitz	LOL, Vista 10	Jul 28 17:25
schestowitz	What a shitty OS	Jul 28 17:25
MinceR	indeed	Jul 28 17:25
MinceR	with the mandatory "updates", it's a botnet now	Jul 28 17:25
schestowitz	New techrights page: Vista 10 Reality Log http://techrights.org/wiki/index.php/Vista_10_Reality_Log	Jul 28 17:25
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org \| Vista 10 Reality Log - Techrights [ http://ur1.ca/nadnk ]		Jul 28 17:25
MinceR	:)	Jul 28 17:26
schestowitz	and spyware all the time	Jul 28 17:26
schestowitz	even when playing solitaire	Jul 28 17:26
schestowitz	because ms needs to target ads	Jul 28 17:26
schestowitz	the page above was set up today	Jul 28 17:26
schestowitz	just in time for the "Ow"	Jul 28 17:26
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schestowitz	maybe it'll be the last of windows, in this form...	Jul 28 17:29
schestowitz	Chrome OS is very thin	Jul 28 17:29
schestowitz	mostly services (browser) platform	Jul 28 17:29
MinceR	because all future releases will be forced "updates"? :>	Jul 28 17:29
schestowitz	maybe MS will innov^H that	Jul 28 17:29
schestowitz	MinceR: that too is possible	Jul 28 17:30
MinceR	then again, if the alliance of fascists want to push the logical conclusion to uefi, there will be locked down appliances instead	Jul 28 17:30
schestowitz	rolling Windows	Jul 28 17:30
schestowitz	like Android on Nexus devices in particular	Jul 28 17:30
MinceR	so you can use the Cloud	Jul 28 17:30
schestowitz	and 'free' upgrade	Jul 28 17:30
MinceR	while being closely monitored by governments	Jul 28 17:30
schestowitz	but that's another discussion altogethe	Jul 28 17:30
MinceR	and the corporations that own the governments	Jul 28 17:30
schestowitz	Who would want MS Windows? Only those too cowardly to try something else	Jul 28 17:31
MinceR	(either directly or via the appliances used by the governments)	Jul 28 17:31
schestowitz	another question, how will MS make money? Will services be enough? Doubt it...	Jul 28 17:31
MinceR	they'll give the governments offers they can't refuse	Jul 28 17:31
MinceR	maybe a literal m$ tax	Jul 28 17:31
schestowitz	Google is exploring new antifeaturie	Jul 28 17:31
schestowitz	!google android m secure boot	Jul 28 17:31
TechrightsBot-tr	[1] - [Solved] Help: "Secure Boot error"… \| LG G3 \| XDA Forums - XDA ... \| http://forum.xda-developers.com/lg-g3/help/help-secure-boot-error-trying-to-boot-t3054977	Jul 28 17:31
TechrightsBot-tr	[2] - Verifying Boot \| Android Open Source Project \| https://source.android.com/devices/tech/security/verifiedboot/verified-boot.html	Jul 28 17:31
TechrightsBot-tr	[3] - Verified Boot \| Android Open Source Project \| https://source.android.com/devices/tech/security/verifiedboot/index.html	Jul 28 17:31
TechrightsBot-tr	[4] - What is Microsoft Secure Boot? Webopedia \| http://www.webopedia.com/TERM/M/microsoft_secure_boot.html	Jul 28 17:31
schestowitz	saw that today for the first time	Jul 28 17:31
MinceR	or people will play monthly rent on the appliances they use	Jul 28 17:31
MinceR	(and can't own)	Jul 28 17:31
schestowitz	they tried that	Jul 28 17:32
schestowitz	sort of	Jul 28 17:32
schestowitz	years ago	Jul 28 17:32
MinceR	they'll try it over and over until it sticks	Jul 28 17:32
schestowitz	!google mary jo foley microsoft rent windows	Jul 28 17:32
TechrightsBot-tr	[1] - Will Windows 10 Become a Subscription Model? -- Redmondmag.com \| https://redmondmag.com/articles/2015/04/01/subscription-model.aspx	Jul 28 17:32
TechrightsBot-tr	[2] - All About Microsoft \| ZDNet \| http://www.zdnet.com/blog/microsoft/	Jul 28 17:32
TechrightsBot-tr	[3] - Microsoft's 'Mohoro' Windows-as-a-service released as a public ... \| http://www.zdnet.com/article/microsofts-mohoro-windows-as-a-service-released-as-a-public-preview/	Jul 28 17:32
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schestowitz	see [1]	Jul 28 17:32
schestowitz	oh, wait...	Jul 28 17:32
MinceR	just like SOPA, TTIP, Palladium	Jul 28 17:32
schestowitz	no, there was an older one	Jul 28 17:32
schestowitz	maybe none of the above	Jul 28 17:32
schestowitz	anyway, Linux devalues Windows	Jul 28 17:32
schestowitz	Google Apps and others do that to Office	Jul 28 17:33
MinceR	windows devalues itself	Jul 28 17:33
schestowitz	so MS is losing money, the cash cows won't last, and some other divisions lose money	Jul 28 17:33
schestowitz	their big feeders are UK and US gov.	Jul 28 17:33
schestowitz	maybe all those high GDP countries that sign secret deals	Jul 28 17:33
schestowitz	MS just got 30m from Bulgaria	Jul 28 17:33
schestowitz	but it's not astronoical amounts	Jul 28 17:33
schestowitz	it gets BILLIONS from UK gov, NHS, etc.	Jul 28 17:34
schestowitz	Cut that rope and Microsoft will fall	Jul 28 17:34
schestowitz	ODF is helping	Jul 28 17:34
MinceR	i wonder how much blackmail material m$ has on the governments	Jul 28 17:34
schestowitz	Today I was delighted to see that nationalarchives gov uk only uses PDF and ODF - no vendor lockin	Jul 28 17:34
schestowitz	BTW, could use some help	Jul 28 17:34
schestowitz	the national archive (NA) won't always work for me	Jul 28 17:34
schestowitz	I am trying to set it up such that it'll redirect from 404	Jul 28 17:35
schestowitz	but it works only randomly	Jul 28 17:35
schestowitz	which is strange	Jul 28 17:35
schestowitz	sometimes works, sometimes doesn't, URL stays the same	Jul 28 17:35
schestowitz	Drupal, cache, NA	Jul 28 17:35
schestowitz	Hard to debug where it's failing	Jul 28 17:36
schestowitz	[22:34] <MinceR> i wonder how much blackmail material m$ has on the governments	Jul 28 17:36
schestowitz	it's counterproductive when they blow the whistle	Jul 28 17:36
schestowitz	so it's becoming a risk	Jul 28 17:36
schestowitz	!google microsoft blackmail uk	Jul 28 17:36
TechrightsBot-tr	[1] - Microsoft accused of blackmailing UK government \| ITProPortal.com \| http://www.itproportal.com/2015/05/25/microsoft-accused-blackmailing-uk-government/	Jul 28 17:36
TechrightsBot-tr	[2] - Microsoft Accused of Blackmailing UK Officials Supporting Open ... \| http://news.softpedia.com/news/Microsoft-Accused-of-Blackmailing-UK-Officials-Supporting-Open-Document-Format-481985.shtml	Jul 28 17:36
TechrightsBot-tr	[3] - Microsoft threatened job cuts to influence UK government IT policy \| http://betanews.com/2015/05/22/microsoft-threatened-job-cuts-to-influence-uk-government-it-policy/	Jul 28 17:36
TechrightsBot-tr	[4] - Microsoft Blackmails and Extorts British Politicians Over Open ... \| http://techrights.org/2015/05/22/microsoft-blackmailing-politicians/	Jul 28 17:36
schestowitz	this isn't helping them getting the next contract	Jul 28 17:36
schestowitz	(if revealed to the public)	Jul 28 17:37
schestowitz	!google microsoft bribes probe	Jul 28 17:37
TechrightsBot-tr	[1] - U.S. Probes Microsoft, Partners Over Bribery Claims - WSJ \| http://www.wsj.com/articles/SB10001424127887324392804578361971662214256	Jul 28 17:37
TechrightsBot-tr	[2] - Microsoft Bribe Probe Touches Russia, Pakistan Deals - WSJ \| http://www.wsj.com/articles/SB10001424127887324619504579027200320722342	Jul 28 17:37
TechrightsBot-tr	[3] - Analysis: Microsoft bribery probe hinges on definitions - USA Today \| http://www.usatoday.com/story/tech/2013/03/19/microsoft-bribery-probe-hinges-on-definitions/2000257/	Jul 28 17:37
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MinceR	they'll just pay more in bribes	Jul 28 17:37
schestowitz	there was never a followup on that	Jul 28 17:37
schestowitz	so I joke, maybe they bribe those who probed	Jul 28 17:37
MinceR	or get in via the back door and change the memo that say not to give m$ the next contract	Jul 28 17:37
schestowitz	risk/benefit matter	Jul 28 17:38
schestowitz	make it easier, with FOSS, to blow the whistle	Jul 28 17:38
schestowitz	and then people like Mark Ballard in the UK will come out with damning reports	Jul 28 17:38
schestowitz	that pressure the idiots in Newham, London	Jul 28 17:38
schestowitz	he did that some years ago, it does embarrass them	Jul 28 17:38
schestowitz	make an environment where rather than people are afraid to blow the whistle or privately speak to journalists it's the corporations feeling tooo fearful to bribe, blackmail	Jul 28 17:39
schestowitz	and then they rethink that	Jul 28 17:40
msb_	Maybe a near-future strategy will be to point out that Linux is so messed up and unreliable (which it may be in a year or so, from systemd, app-churn, etc) that Windows is just as good.	Jul 28 17:58
MinceR	and simultaneously revoke redhat's and canonical's bootloader stub certificates	Jul 28 17:59
msb_	If that requires collusion among psychopaths in MS, RedHat and the govt, well, I think full-blown psychopaths have no empathy for people, and have learned to cooperate with each other. So to them it's just them vs us. And they have the power.	Jul 28 18:01
msb_	Think of them as insectoids from Star Trek. Totally alien.	Jul 28 18:02
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MinceR	no, that doesn't require collusion	Jul 28 18:07
MinceR	it only requires m$ to be its usual fascistic self and redhat to be greedy and shortsighted, which they are	Jul 28 18:08
MinceR	(same for canonical)	Jul 28 18:08
MinceR	and it would be nice to think of them as alien, but all these things are very human	Jul 28 18:08
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msb_	Let's introduce the terms "humane" and "inhumane".	Jul 28 18:38
msb_	Psychopaths have human hardware, but inhumane software.	Jul 28 18:38
msb_	Normal people have human hardware and humane software.	Jul 28 18:38
MinceR	i think "humane"/"inhumane" are misleading	Jul 28 18:38
MinceR	humans have proven countless times that they are capable of a lot of evil	Jul 28 18:39
msb_	humane, adj: marked or motivated by concern with the alleviation of suffering; showing evidence of moral and intellectual advancement	Jul 28 18:40
msb_	MinceR: You are right. Organisms with human hardware are capable of murderous evil.	Jul 28 18:41
msb_	But that is the result of inhumane software.	Jul 28 18:41
MinceR	i think "humane"/"inhumane" are misleading because they imply that humans are wired to be good	Jul 28 18:41
msb_	If treated with love and kindness in childhood, we do turn out good.	Jul 28 18:42
MinceR	then it seems love and kindness is rare indeed in childhood	Jul 28 18:43
MinceR	even the other kids tend to be horrible	Jul 28 18:43
msb_	Jean Liedloff, author of _The Continuum Concept_, found technologically primitive people who were very kind to their children, and their children all grew up to be kind.	Jul 28 18:44
MinceR	Steven Pinker's findings in The Blank Slate and The Better Angels of Our Nature seem to make the point that humans need advanced civilization in order to be good	Jul 28 18:46
msb_	The problem is, once inhumane behavior is triggered by some kind of extreme stress, it tends to stay with the person, and they pass it on to their children by being harsh to them.	Jul 28 18:46
msb_	We need to have comfort and good nutrition.	Jul 28 18:46
MinceR	we also need to strive to be civilized people	Jul 28 18:47
MinceR	and we need to stop promoting successful crime as an admirable thing	Jul 28 18:47
msb_	But advanced civ is certainly not _sufficient_, as can be seen by the large proportion of inhumane people (as you point out).	Jul 28 18:47
MinceR	pursuit of money must cease to be the greatest, most important goal	Jul 28 18:47
MinceR	also, the tendency to regress must be stopped	Jul 28 18:48
msb_	All true. But the core of the personality is formed in infancy, in reaction to the way the infant is treated.	Jul 28 18:48
MinceR	humanity needs to stop eroding human rights and democracy	Jul 28 18:48
MinceR	yeah, older kids need to stop teaching the younger kids to be evil and nasty	Jul 28 18:49
msb_	Yes, all true. But once an infant has been emotionally abused, they develop a core of fear and anger, which is then susceptible to all the things you mention, and it's very difficult to dissolve.	Jul 28 18:50
msb_	Prolonged therapy with gentle psychedelics, and exposure to humane people, music and movies, may dissolve the core of anger and fear at the center of the personality.	Jul 28 18:53
msb_	I just mean cannabis -- nothing drastic.	Jul 28 18:54
MinceR	yes, that might work	Jul 28 18:54
MinceR	gradually	Jul 28 18:54
MinceR	make every generation better than the preceding one	Jul 28 18:54
msb_	In the 1960s it _did_ work!	Jul 28 18:54
msb_	In just a few years!	Jul 28 18:55
MinceR	it didn't stick, though	Jul 28 18:56
msb_	It was destroyed by the psychopath rulers. Cannabis sale punished as if it were murder. Kent State shootings. Murder of John Lennon.	Jul 28 18:57
msb_	The rulers knew what was going on. It was talked about in the "underground newspapers".	Jul 28 18:58
MinceR	the people who grow up to be rulers must also improve	Jul 28 18:58
msb_	The audience stood up and cheered when I talked about it from the audience at some talk on cannabis.	Jul 28 18:59
msb_	That would be great. I think the son of one of the big tobacco families ended up speaking out against tobacco. But that's rare.	Jul 28 19:00
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msb_	With the Net, and access to the old music in youtube, and medical marijuana, a widespread movement among ordinary people should be possible. I've outlined a first attempt here: http://cosmicpenguin.com/CauseAndCure.html	Jul 28 19:05
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msb_	There are also non-corporate ways to share music, if youtube takes it all down.	Jul 28 19:06
MinceR	http://thenextweb.com/gadgets/2015/07/28/robbed-in-60-seconds/	Jul 28 19:11
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msb_	And with Windows, smashing one's fist into the keyboard is probably one of the first things people do!	Jul 28 19:14
MinceR	lol	Jul 28 19:16
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cubexyz	I find running windows programs less painful on wine	Jul 28 21:18
cubexyz	in a way, it's FOSS if I have the source for the programs I'm running (I wrote a few) and the source of wine is available	Jul 28 21:19
cubexyz	rule of source code	Jul 28 21:19
oiaohm	Its the sandboxing on wine that solves a lot of problems.	Jul 28 21:21
oiaohm	That windows users suffer from without knowing what it is.	Jul 28 21:21
cubexyz	I wish I had the source code for some of the old Loki games	Jul 28 21:21
oiaohm	The old loki games work if you add the right runtimes	Jul 28 21:21
cubexyz	HOMM3 crashes a fair bit	Jul 28 21:22
cubexyz	EUS works well	Jul 28 21:23
MinceR	UT and Unreal Gold worked mostly fine	Jul 28 21:23
cubexyz	I think some code may be available	Jul 28 21:25
oiaohm	cubexyz: some of those loki games were horible for crashing back in the day.	Jul 28 21:28
cubexyz	oiaohm, can you remember which ones?	Jul 28 21:28
cubexyz	RT2 and EUS are two that work well	Jul 28 21:29
cubexyz	the SMPEG libs, I think there's code available for that	Jul 28 21:30
cubexyz	Heretic 2 works well	Jul 28 21:30
oiaohm	cubexyz: http://www.gentoo-wiki.info/HOWTO_Running_Old_Loki_Games You are using this?	Jul 28 21:30
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oiaohm	cubexyz: Heavy Metal: FAKK2 the pak3 patch there was required back in the day.	Jul 28 21:31
cubexyz	I can't access the gentoo-wiki	Jul 28 21:32
cubexyz	trying the cache now	Jul 28 21:32
MinceR	nice resource, saved and bookmarked	Jul 28 21:32
cubexyz	oiaohm, I think I've seen some of that info before	Jul 28 21:33
cubexyz	looks interesting, thanks	Jul 28 21:33
oiaohm	MinceR: grab the runtime file as well.	Jul 28 21:33
oiaohm	cubexyz: I have a true simcity 3000	Jul 28 21:33
MinceR	thanks for the tip	Jul 28 21:34
oiaohm	Yes that patch for it was required when that game was new.	Jul 28 21:34
cubexyz	and if anyone has source, I won't ask any questions :)	Jul 28 21:34
oiaohm	Loki games were not the best quality.	Jul 28 21:34
cubexyz	oiaohm, I'd say it was a mixed bag	Jul 28 21:34
cubexyz	some were quite good, others not so much	Jul 28 21:34
cubexyz	I tried "export LD_ASSUME_KERNEL=2.2.5" but it didn't seem to help	Jul 28 21:36
oiaohm	You need a lot of of those odd librarys	Jul 28 21:36
oiaohm	For the hard applications.	Jul 28 21:36
oiaohm	mostly depending on features that were not to spec.	Jul 28 21:36
oiaohm	And turned out to be secuirty faults.	Jul 28 21:36
oiaohm	is what breaks a lot of those old loki games.	Jul 28 21:37
cubexyz	I had a devil of a time getting network stuff to work on RT2	Jul 28 21:38
cubexyz	but now I can't find anyone who plays it	Jul 28 21:39
oiaohm	I guess you did not have the gentoo instructions.	Jul 28 21:39
cubexyz	I can add a few more remarks	Jul 28 21:40
cubexyz	http://www.maxhost.org/other/rt2-notes.txt	Jul 28 21:40
cubexyz	never had any contact with the loki devs	Jul 28 21:43
cubexyz	the gentoo wiki goes into more detail	Jul 28 21:45
oiaohm	The fun part is it gentoo instruction page but the libraries used are debian.	Jul 28 21:45
MinceR	ah, the good old days when debian wasn't yet another attempt to reimplement windows	Jul 28 21:46
cubexyz	Heretic II might have been the one to get it's code released	Jul 28 21:46
cubexyz	I think the Debian issues will eventually sort themselves out	Jul 28 21:47
cubexyz	there's enough developers who are unhappy with the way things are going	Jul 28 21:48
oiaohm	Really Debian when ever there has been major changes developers of it get uphappy.	Jul 28 21:48
cubexyz	I think Heretic II was indeed open sourced	Jul 28 21:49
oiaohm	I would not say debian developers are exactly majorally unhappy with direction.	Jul 28 21:49
oiaohm	Unhappy with the bugs.	Jul 28 21:49
MinceR	the bugs follow from their idiotic decision	Jul 28 21:50
MinceR	and people who know better told them this is going to happen	Jul 28 21:50
oiaohm	MinceR: you were not around when debian implemented there parall starting sysvinit.	Jul 28 21:50
oiaohm	The number of issues systemd has caused is way less.	Jul 28 21:51
MinceR	"must boot faster"	Jul 28 21:51
oiaohm	Parallel boot process was done when a 4096 core system was taking 2 days to boot MinceR	Jul 28 21:52
cubexyz	oiaohm, backward compatiblility is possible	Jul 28 21:53
oiaohm	Basically there is a point where "must boot faster" is truly the case.	Jul 28 21:53
MinceR	and believing that everyone's use case is the same leads to stuff like insisting on multiseat support on a server	Jul 28 21:53
cubexyz	quasijarus' tcp/ip programs still work	Jul 28 21:53
MinceR	cubexyz: but they aren't shiny and "modern" enough! :>	Jul 28 21:53
oiaohm	MinceR: systemd it is possible to disable multi-seat mode.	Jul 28 21:54
oiaohm	Just no one is putting the defaults in.	Jul 28 21:54
oiaohm	Also you have to remember doing multi seat before systemd was custom hacking.	Jul 28 21:54
MinceR	and that custom hacking was more reliable than giving poettering and sievers the wheel	Jul 28 21:55
oiaohm	MinceR: please not claim crap.	Jul 28 21:55
cubexyz	yikes, that breaks xrandr	Jul 28 21:55
oiaohm	I have used the custom hacked up X11 multi seat.	Jul 28 21:55
MinceR	then don't talk about crap :>	Jul 28 21:55
oiaohm	MinceR: you think multi-seat on server causes headaches.	Jul 28 21:55
MinceR	i never had a config that needed that hack, or systemd	Jul 28 21:55
cubexyz	do I null out LD_PRELOAD?	Jul 28 21:55
oiaohm	At least the systemd one in fact has debugging.	Jul 28 21:55
MinceR	oiaohm: i _know_ systemd fucks up servers	Jul 28 21:55
oiaohm	MinceR: I run systemd on servers.	Jul 28 21:56
MinceR	i know people who are forced to try and run that shit on servers	Jul 28 21:56
oiaohm	I do have a list of settings.	Jul 28 21:56
MinceR	then again, it even fails on laptops	Jul 28 21:56
oiaohm	I have laptops running it as well.	Jul 28 21:56
MinceR	https://lists.debian.org/debian-user/2015/02/msg00013.html	Jul 28 21:56
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MinceR	this is what redcrap calls mature software	Jul 28 21:56
oiaohm	MinceR: that there is not systemd	Jul 28 21:57
oiaohm	That is network-manager	Jul 28 21:57
MinceR	that's poetteringware all the same	Jul 28 21:57
oiaohm	In fact using networkd from systemd is more dependable.	Jul 28 21:57
oiaohm	potering did not do network-manager	Jul 28 21:57
MinceR	that's like saying "this turd smells less than that turd"	Jul 28 21:58
MinceR	also, afaik networkmanager has nothing to do with mounting	Jul 28 21:58
MinceR	it's systemd's decision to wait for random shit unnecessarily	Jul 28 21:58
MinceR	(also to not wait for stuff you shouldn't interrupt, like fsck)	Jul 28 21:58
oiaohm	network-manager does have to do with mounting.	Jul 28 21:59
oiaohm	Cause was a lot of people putting auto mount network drives in fstab.	Jul 28 21:59
oiaohm	MinceR: a lot of systemd so called issues turn out to be very bad configurations that were being let side. Some could turn into security risks.	Jul 28 22:01
oiaohm	Like its not wise to be attempting to connect to network shares where ever.	Jul 28 22:01
MinceR	security risks, like a web server built into what's marketed as an "init system"?	Jul 28 22:01
MinceR	or an unnecessary dns cache that's vulnerable to cache poisoning?	Jul 28 22:02
oiaohm	dnscaches before systemd also have been vulnerable to cache poisoning	Jul 28 22:03
oiaohm	Yes it is possible to turn systemd dnscache off.	Jul 28 22:03
MinceR	yes, sometime in the past, and then it was fixed	Jul 28 22:03
MinceR	and then a bunch of retards on redcrap payroll tell us to throw all that out and use this shiny new shit they just hacked up	Jul 28 22:04
oiaohm	MinceR: 3 of the Linux competitors in dnscache on Linux had the same fault in 2015	Jul 28 22:04
MinceR	out of how many?	Jul 28 22:04
oiaohm	MinceR: out of 8	Jul 28 22:04
oiaohm	And one was the prior debian default.	Jul 28 22:05
MinceR	dns cache poisoning was so well known it was part of my university curriculum, years ago	Jul 28 22:05
oiaohm	Might have been well know but it been like openssl issues.	Jul 28 22:05
MinceR	so there were 5 good ones and now we have the wannabe Emperor of GNU/Linux forcefeeding us a broken one	Jul 28 22:05
oiaohm	Not checked for.	Jul 28 22:05
oiaohm	MinceR: 8 counting systemd one.	Jul 28 22:05
oiaohm	So 4 good 4 bad	Jul 28 22:05
MinceR	under the slogan of "diversity is evil"	Jul 28 22:06
oiaohm	Basically as good as odds as flipping a coin.,	Jul 28 22:06
MinceR	except you can look it up and decide	Jul 28 22:06
oiaohm	diversity is not the evil bit.	Jul 28 22:06
MinceR	instead of flipping a coin	Jul 28 22:06
MinceR	i know that	Jul 28 22:06
MinceR	but companies like crApple, m$ and redcrap keep spouting this propaganda	Jul 28 22:06
oiaohm	No they were only audited after systemd one was found witht he fault.	Jul 28 22:06
oiaohm	So before systemd dns cache was found with the issue no one checked.	Jul 28 22:07
MinceR	they can't stand having to compete with OS-es that don't suck nearly as much as theirs	Jul 28 22:07
oiaohm	How of systemd faults have turned to be miss configuration and cases that audit has not been done in other projects so the same fault was exposed anyhow is not funny.	Jul 28 22:08
MinceR	picking a project that actually has some notion of focus already gives you a chance of 4 out of 7	Jul 28 22:08
MinceR	you can be certain that the tumor project that has no concept of boundaries but tries to reimplement _everything_ won't have time for security fixes	Jul 28 22:09
MinceR	misconfiguration, like using google dns by default, without asking the user?	Jul 28 22:09
oiaohm	Problem is you were not around when debian did parallel boot the first time.	Jul 28 22:09
MinceR	yeah, maybe then i would have gone with slackware instead	Jul 28 22:10
oiaohm	slackware did it worse.	Jul 28 22:10
oiaohm	at the same time.	Jul 28 22:10
oiaohm	Debain has proven they will work it through.	Jul 28 22:10
MinceR	i thought they did not do it at all	Jul 28 22:10
MinceR	oh really.	Jul 28 22:10
oiaohm	MinceR: slackware did 8 beta releases of parrallel boot.	Jul 28 22:11
MinceR	they will work it through after making an authoritarianistic decision centrally, without thinking about it	Jul 28 22:11
oiaohm	Out of all those only 1 booted.	Jul 28 22:11
oiaohm	Then sucessuflly died by its self.	Jul 28 22:11
oiaohm	So the reason why slackware does not have parrellel boot is they failed todo it completely.	Jul 28 22:12
MinceR	boo hoo, they didn't do this shiny and pointless feature	Jul 28 22:12
cubexyz	ha, I think they axed LD_ASSUME_KERNEL	Jul 28 22:13
cubexyz	only works in FC1 era	Jul 28 22:13
oiaohm	MinceR: not having that feature is why slackware is no found on very large systems.	Jul 28 22:17
oiaohm	MinceR: You need to change what you are calling pointless.	Jul 28 22:18
oiaohm	MinceR: to does not suite you usage.	Jul 28 22:18
MinceR	will the use cases for poettering's desktop pc work on very large systems? i doubt it.	Jul 28 22:18
oiaohm	MinceR: I have a 1024 core system.	Jul 28 22:18
oiaohm	Yes systemd is happy on it.	Jul 28 22:18
MinceR	we'll see for how long it will be happy	Jul 28 22:19
cubexyz	what motherboard is that?	Jul 28 22:19
MinceR	oiaohm: is it exposed to the internet?	Jul 28 22:19
oiaohm	cubexyz: that not a motherboard. its Motherboards.	Jul 28 22:20
oiaohm	MinceR: its a private data processing server.	Jul 28 22:20
oiaohm	So yes no internet.	Jul 28 22:20
MinceR	then at least you won't have chinese and russians trying out all the newest systemd exploits on it	Jul 28 22:21
MinceR	oh, and the ISIL guys	Jul 28 22:21
oiaohm	Mind you its possible to do 4096 in a desktop size case. http://www.tomshardware.com/news/apateva-epiphany-4096-Core-multicore-threaded,15064.html	Jul 28 22:22
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oiaohm	MinceR: does not matter if you are running systemd or sysvinit you will have the same attackers after you ass.	Jul 28 22:24
oiaohm	And the third parties bit of software you add on sysvinit cause their own problems.	Jul 28 22:25
MinceR	but with systemd you'll have a system "designed" by people who have an undying love affair with complexity	Jul 28 22:25
MinceR	with complexity come bugs	Jul 28 22:25
MinceR	so with unnecessary extreme complexity come unnecessary extreme bugs	Jul 28 22:25
MinceR	also, systemd (unlike init systems it's sold as an alternative to) listens to network connections	Jul 28 22:25
oiaohm	Optional feature MinceR	Jul 28 22:26
MinceR	yeah, "optional", like journald	Jul 28 22:26
oiaohm	Nop	Jul 28 22:27
MinceR	in redcrapspeak, "optional" means "we haven't found a way to force it down your throat yet"	Jul 28 22:27
oiaohm	journald you tell it to pass threw not disable.	Jul 28 22:27
MinceR	remember, in their minds diversity is evil	Jul 28 22:27
MinceR	so yeah, you don't get to disable journald	Jul 28 22:27
oiaohm	listern on network connections part of systemd you can delete a program.	Jul 28 22:27
MinceR	you can have it mangle log lines before passing them to a reasonable syslogd	Jul 28 22:27
oiaohm	And then it still functions.	Jul 28 22:27
cubexyz	oiaohm, it's still picking up /lib/ld-linux.so.2	Jul 28 22:28
oiaohm	So the listens on network connections under systemd you can truly disable systemd.	Jul 28 22:28
cubexyz	how do I get it to load old ld-linux.so.2?	Jul 28 22:28
MinceR	i suppose eventually you'll be able to have journald pass every one of your log lines through a dbus interface to a proprietary blob, get back a transformed version (or nothing) from it, and then feed that to your syslogd	Jul 28 22:28
oiaohm	cubexyz: ld-linux.so.2 is a static binary.	Jul 28 22:29
oiaohm	cubexyz: its an application in its own right.	Jul 28 22:29
MinceR	and then you'll point to the redcrap brochure saying you have signed, certified logs	Jul 28 22:29
MinceR	when in fact you'll have garbage.	Jul 28 22:29
cubexyz	oiaohm, that's the dynamic linker/loader	Jul 28 22:30
cubexyz	I want it to load the old one	Jul 28 22:30
oiaohm	LD_LIBRARY_PATH=/path/Loki_Compat/ /path/Loki_Compat/ld-linux.so.2 /path/CivCTP/civctp.dynamic	Jul 28 22:34
oiaohm	cubexyz: Note that line	Jul 28 22:34
oiaohm	cubexyz: instead of running the executable first you run the old loader first. After the loader is loaded its done.	Jul 28 22:35
oiaohm	cubexyz: what the Linux kernel in fact does is like that.	Jul 28 22:35
oiaohm	MinceR: there is no requirement for blob and use journld ForwardToSyslog= and Storage=none set	Jul 28 22:36
oiaohm	MinceR: then its only transfer operation.	Jul 28 22:37
MinceR	and i'm sure you'll always have the time to audit the overgrown, cancerous mess that comes out of redcrap's gate	Jul 28 22:37
oiaohm	MinceR: why do I know these options.	Jul 28 22:38
oiaohm	Knowing these options you can rebuid without a huge stack of stuff.	Jul 28 22:38
oiaohm	So slimming systemd down a hell of a lot.	Jul 28 22:38
MinceR	i know better options where i can avoid the whole train wreck.	Jul 28 22:39
MinceR	just like i avoid winblows and OSuX on my systems	Jul 28 22:39
oiaohm	I have people say I know better optiosn but then they don't put them up.	Jul 28 22:39
oiaohm	For my solutions I have very limited options.	Jul 28 22:39
oiaohm	That do everything that I require.	Jul 28 22:39
MinceR	yeah, it sucks being pressured into using shitty tools	Jul 28 22:40
oiaohm	No	Jul 28 22:40
oiaohm	I am using the least shitty	Jul 28 22:40
MinceR	happened routinely in my work	Jul 28 22:40
oiaohm	openrc and systemd are vastely better than sysvinit	Jul 28 22:40
oiaohm	for what I do.	Jul 28 22:40
oiaohm	heck way better than upstart	Jul 28 22:40
MinceR	probably so's runit, sinit, epoch, minit, ...	Jul 28 22:41
oiaohm	No	Jul 28 22:41
oiaohm	I have tried all of thoese.	Jul 28 22:41
oiaohm	This is the problem I have been after a good functional init system for a long time.	Jul 28 22:41
oiaohm	I am sick that on solaris and bsd the init systems truly work and on Linux I have had broken crap.	Jul 28 22:41
MinceR	and you still have broken crap	Jul 28 22:42
oiaohm	systemd is closer.	Jul 28 22:42
MinceR	and this time it's more broken	Jul 28 22:42
oiaohm	to what it needs to be.	Jul 28 22:42
MinceR	but it has more features and it's more "modern" so it's got to be great!	Jul 28 22:42
oiaohm	Ok not ideal	Jul 28 22:42
oiaohm	No	Jul 28 22:42
oiaohm	BSD init system is 20+ years old and it works.	Jul 28 22:43
oiaohm	So its not about being more modern.	Jul 28 22:43
oiaohm	Its about being functional.,	Jul 28 22:43
MinceR	i'm sure there won't be any consequences to ignoring all principles of good software design for no reason	Jul 28 22:43
MinceR	sysvinit works too	Jul 28 22:43
oiaohm	No it does not.	Jul 28 22:43
oiaohm	sysvinit is broken on a Linux kernel.	Jul 28 22:43
oiaohm	Claim it works is putting you head in the sand.	Jul 28 22:44
oiaohm	sysvinit is design for a OS that only uses PID numbers once.	Jul 28 22:44
MinceR	then i must have implanted memories	Jul 28 22:44
MinceR	my life is a lie!	Jul 28 22:44
oiaohm	Linux kernel after long enough running recycles PID numbers.	Jul 28 22:44
MinceR	that takes a while	Jul 28 22:44
oiaohm	You never run Linux kernel long enough with enough processes change over to have it go south.	Jul 28 22:44
MinceR	and properly written daemons don't tend to keep falling over	Jul 28 22:44
oiaohm	1024 system can do that in 12 hours.	Jul 28 22:45
MinceR	so the pid files tend to remain usable	Jul 28 22:45
oiaohm	4096 can hit recyclcing in 3	Jul 28 22:45
MinceR	did we have 1024-core systems 20+ years ago?	Jul 28 22:45
oiaohm	My first 1024 core system was 2004	Jul 28 22:46
MinceR	so we have different goalposts for bsd init on bsd and for sysvinit on gnu/linux	Jul 28 22:46
oiaohm	This as been annoying me for over 10 years.	Jul 28 22:46
MinceR	i guess you've got to move the goal posts around to make systemd look good	Jul 28 22:46
MinceR	and it still won't look good	Jul 28 22:46
oiaohm	bsd init tracks by tty that are unique numbers.	Jul 28 22:47
MinceR	i know	Jul 28 22:47
oiaohm	I have not moved goal posts.	Jul 28 22:47
oiaohm	I have a list of features I need a init system todo.	Jul 28 22:47
MinceR	thing is, all these hypotheses about sysvinit assume that stuff breaks all the time; while the hypotheses about systemd assume that the shitty code pumped out by poettering and sievers never fails	Jul 28 22:47
MinceR	yes, i'm familiar with the checklist-based method of IT product choice	Jul 28 22:48
MinceR	it leads us to horrible, unusable pieces of junk like m$ office	Jul 28 22:48
MinceR	and overgrown tumors like systemd and windows	Jul 28 22:48
oiaohm	BSD init was based on checklist development.	Jul 28 22:48
oiaohm	Funny right.	Jul 28 22:48
MinceR	"who cares if it works, add these features and everyone will want one!"	Jul 28 22:48
oiaohm	Almost all of BSD development is based on checklists.	Jul 28 22:49
oiaohm	part of the reason why it so good.	Jul 28 22:49
MinceR	and yet BSD is a lot simpler than systemd	Jul 28 22:49
oiaohm	What is wrong with msoffice and systemd is no checklist.	Jul 28 22:49
oiaohm	Feature creap is evil.	Jul 28 22:49
oiaohm	Not have core features is also evil.	Jul 28 22:49
MinceR	i meant that the goal of "development" is to rack up a long list of stuff they can show off to potential customers, but nobody will actually use	Jul 28 22:49
oiaohm	Like using PID to track services that can never work.	Jul 28 22:49
MinceR	(and most of which won't work, since fixing bugs is not sexy enough to actually do)	Jul 28 22:50
MinceR	and yet it works almost all the time, somehow	Jul 28 22:50
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MinceR	how can it be?	Jul 28 22:50
oiaohm	My checklist is based on what I need. Not the featues I will not use.	Jul 28 22:50
oiaohm	like I turn off journald binary logging.	Jul 28 22:50
MinceR	m$'s and redcrap's checklist is based on what nobody implemented (because nobody needed them)	Jul 28 22:51
oiaohm	And send to central storage logging.	Jul 28 22:51
MinceR	even if you turn that off, every line of log passes through journald's digestive tract	Jul 28 22:51
oiaohm	And if it was not going though journald to prevent impersenation it would have to be going threw a different program that I used before journald.	Jul 28 22:52
MinceR	chances are that previous program was not a cancerous growth	Jul 28 22:53
oiaohm	0 It has more features than journald and they were still adding more.	Jul 28 22:53
MinceR	did it have more features than systemd (of which journald is a part)?	Jul 28 22:54
oiaohm	Basically it was 100 percent a cancerous growth.	Jul 28 22:54
MinceR	did it have no scope, like systemd?	Jul 28 22:54
oiaohm	MinceR: just for loging it has 8000 options.	Jul 28 22:54
oiaohm	MinceR: yes all the program did was log.	Jul 28 22:54
oiaohm	Journald looks horible but compared to some of the commerical horibles out there is nice.	Jul 28 22:55
cubexyz	ok... looks good	Jul 28 22:56
cubexyz	finally got a script that works	Jul 28 22:56
MinceR	on my laptop, the probability of a pidfile for a dead service matching an existing process is 0.0067138672	Jul 28 22:56
MinceR	less than 1%	Jul 28 22:56
MinceR	i'd take that over poettering's baroque monstrosity any day	Jul 28 22:56
cubexyz	by baroque you mean overly elaborate I assume?	Jul 28 22:57
MinceR	(and if it bothered me that much, i could add a check for the command line)	Jul 28 22:57
MinceR	cubexyz: indeed	Jul 28 22:57
oiaohm	MinceR: but for a person like me running bigger systems can you see why I need something openrc or systemd on Linux.	Jul 28 22:57
oiaohm	MinceR: what am building on a laptop need to be tested for larger deployments.	Jul 28 22:58
MinceR	no, i can't see why you would need systemd just because your system has more cores	Jul 28 22:58
oiaohm	The issue here is when you get more cores you burn through PID numbers faster.	Jul 28 22:58
oiaohm	So anything depending on PID being unique is screwed.	Jul 28 22:59
MinceR	how many services do you run from rc anyway?	Jul 28 22:59
MinceR	also, i forgot to mention that stuff like runit can exist fine on top of sysvinit	Jul 28 22:59
MinceR	just like SMF is started by a more traditional init	Jul 28 23:00
oiaohm	MinceR: systemd can run on top of sysvinit	Jul 28 23:00
MinceR	i don't think so	Jul 28 23:00
oiaohm	systemd does not need pid 1	Jul 28 23:00
MinceR	iirc there were checks for having PID 1 and running in a chroot	Jul 28 23:00
MinceR	there is some shim from debian or ubuntu though, that lets you run some parts of systemd without running the pid1 part	Jul 28 23:00
oiaohm	Yes systemd checks if it PID1 but it does not fail to run just because it not.	Jul 28 23:00
oiaohm	The debian shim was just systemd packaged mostly without the default install location	Jul 28 23:01
oiaohm	MinceR: systemd include the code to coexist. But no one gives up example systems doing that.	Jul 28 23:02
oiaohm	MinceR: reason I have done openrc as PID1 then sub run systemd for heart beat of service tracking.	Jul 28 23:03
MinceR	that's a bit like frankenstein's monster	Jul 28 23:04
oiaohm	It was simpler todo that than reboot a 1024 core system.	Jul 28 23:05
oiaohm	since someone had coded a service depending on systemd heart beat monitoring.	Jul 28 23:05
MinceR	ah, so somebody fucked up their code	Jul 28 23:05
MinceR	forced systemd in by depending on it	Jul 28 23:06
oiaohm	But systemd in fact supports running that way.	Jul 28 23:06
MinceR	which is the real reason for the "need" for systemd	Jul 28 23:06
MinceR	as usual	Jul 28 23:06
oiaohm	No PID 1 requirement.	Jul 28 23:06
oiaohm	Yet for some reason people change the PID 1 when something needs systemd.	Jul 28 23:06
oiaohm	MinceR: systemd include a usermode	Jul 28 23:10
oiaohm	systemd in usermode does not need PID1	Jul 28 23:10
oiaohm	yet it can process unit files.	Jul 28 23:10
MinceR	i'll take a look at that when i'll feel like wading through its spaghetti code	Jul 28 23:19
oiaohm	There is a requirement	Jul 28 23:20
oiaohm	But its not PID1	Jul 28 23:20
MinceR	i faintly remember seeing some pid check	Jul 28 23:20
oiaohm	If it does not have PID1 it needs access to a cgroup manager.	Jul 28 23:20
oiaohm	openrc has a cgroup manager so no problems.	Jul 28 23:20
oiaohm	sysvinit if you start one no problems.	Jul 28 23:20
oiaohm	MinceR: https://maci0.wordpress.com/2014/07/23/run-systemd-in-an-unprivileged-docker-container/ With some shoving systemd will work without any privilages.	Jul 28 23:26
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-maci0.wordpress.com \| Run systemd in an unprivileged(!!!) docker container \| maci's random stuff [ http://ur1.ca/nagbl ]		Jul 28 23:26
oiaohm	Of course using that method Lose the cgroup tracking I want.	Jul 28 23:26
MinceR	it should be optional anyway	Jul 28 23:27
MinceR	yeah, dbus also needs to die in a fire	Jul 28 23:28
MinceR	along with kdbus, of course	Jul 28 23:28
oiaohm	Systemd in a unprividaged mode will start up withotu cgroups as long as the cgroup directory exists as ro entity.	Jul 28 23:28
oiaohm	The reality is once you start messing with systemd you find a heck lot is optional.	Jul 28 23:28
MinceR	then again, even if they did make systemd well-behaved and portable, the codebase would still be a mess	Jul 28 23:29
MinceR	systemd itself is optional	Jul 28 23:29
oiaohm	If systemd was not design modular making shims and the like would be harder.	Jul 28 23:30
MinceR	"modular" doesn't mean "a ton of bricks tangled together with razor wire, twine, glue and bitumen"	Jul 28 23:30
MinceR	if you can't pry modules out of it, it's not modular	Jul 28 23:30
oiaohm	You can pry modules out.	Jul 28 23:30
oiaohm	Most people don't try.	Jul 28 23:30
MinceR	yeah, they just won't work	Jul 28 23:30
oiaohm	No they work	Jul 28 23:31
oiaohm	when pryed out.	Jul 28 23:31
MinceR	just like m$ claiming most of their code that runs in kernel mode doesn't make their shit a microkernel.	Jul 28 23:31
MinceR	just like m$ claiming most of their code that runs in kernel mode "is not part of the kernel" doesn't make their shit a microkernel.	Jul 28 23:31
oiaohm	MinceR: I am not kiding when I say modular.	Jul 28 23:32
oiaohm	systemd-nspawn	Jul 28 23:32
oiaohm	That in in the systemd package but its in fact fully stand alone build	Jul 28 23:33
MinceR	http://lists.freedesktop.org/archives/systemd-devel/2014-May/019657.html	Jul 28 23:33
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MinceR	even udev isn't a "module" anymore	Jul 28 23:33
MinceR	it was assimilated	Jul 28 23:33
cubexyz	use what you like, discard what you don't	Jul 28 23:36
oiaohm	Not a good example.	Jul 28 23:36
cubexyz	if you want a traditional Unix, go with openbsd, freebsd, or netbsd	Jul 28 23:36
oiaohm	Newer Linux kernels don't support udev firmwareloader instead replaced by a internal kernel firmware loader.	Jul 28 23:36
oiaohm	That was a upstream change.	Jul 28 23:36
oiaohm	MinceR: CONFIG_FW_LOADER_USER_HELPER appears in 3.7 Linux kernel	Jul 28 23:37
oiaohm	If you have not worked out FW means forwards. Capture attempts to use udev firmware loader and use in kernel firmware loader instead.	Jul 28 23:38
cubexyz	the old loki games should have been open sourced	Jul 28 23:40
cubexyz	I think heretic II was	Jul 28 23:41
oiaohm	https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=718975	Jul 28 23:42
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oiaohm	MinceR: basically CONFIG_FW_LOADER_USER_HELPER is stupid	Jul 28 23:43
oiaohm	The Linux kernel since 3.7 as always attempted to load the firmware itself. So even if udev did load and send the firmware across the linux kernel goes an reloads it again.	Jul 28 23:43
oiaohm	Complete balls up feature.	Jul 28 23:44
cubexyz	firmware for...?	Jul 28 23:46
oiaohm	What ever driver the Linux kernel is wanting to use.	Jul 28 23:47
oiaohm	So devices start basically cubexyz	Jul 28 23:47
cubexyz	which devices?	Jul 28 23:47
oiaohm	cubexyz: http://lists.freedesktop.org/archives/systemd-devel/2014-May/019657.html	Jul 28 23:47
cubexyz	usually the firmware is inside the device	Jul 28 23:47
oiaohm	To understand why that is.	Jul 28 23:48
cubexyz	why would linux have to load different firmware?	Jul 28 23:48
oiaohm	Lots of devices these days don't have firmware	Jul 28 23:48
oiaohm	Instead OS has to send firmware into them so they fire up.	Jul 28 23:48
oiaohm	cubexyz: cost saving/updatability	Jul 28 23:49
cubexyz	I don't understandy why anyone would make a device like that	Jul 28 23:49
oiaohm	Like a webcam cubexyz	Jul 28 23:49
oiaohm	Does that need to work in boot up.	Jul 28 23:50
oiaohm	Answer no.	Jul 28 23:50
oiaohm	So save a few dollars and don't put firmware inside.	Jul 28 23:50
cubexyz	so you're saying some devices don't have any firmware at all?	Jul 28 23:50
oiaohm	some devices to start them you basically jtag them.	Jul 28 23:50
oiaohm	by usb	Jul 28 23:51
oiaohm	Only firmware is so the device shows up on usb.	Jul 28 23:51
cubexyz	I don't think I have any device like that	Jul 28 23:51
cubexyz	this must be a recent development	Jul 28 23:51
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cubexyz	seems like another control mechanism	Jul 28 23:52
oiaohm	Its that that new.	Jul 28 23:52
oiaohm	GPU units in most modern video cards are that way.	Jul 28 23:52
oiaohm	So no firmware no 3d GPU operations.	Jul 28 23:53
oiaohm	entery level cannon and lexmark printers were first todo it cubexyz	Jul 28 23:54
cubexyz	so when did this start?	Jul 28 23:54
oiaohm	I first saw it 1996	Jul 28 23:54
oiaohm	But it was not exactly new then.	Jul 28 23:55
cubexyz	there's only one file in /sys/class/firmware on my machines	Jul 28 23:55
cubexyz	and it's timeout	Jul 28 23:56
cubexyz	openbsd doesn't even have the directory	Jul 28 23:56
oiaohm	https://kernel.org/doc/Documentation/firmware_class/README	Jul 28 23:56
oiaohm	cubexyz: that is the in kernel loader	Jul 29 00:01
cubexyz	I spoke too soon, there's /lib/firmware	Jul 29 00:04
oiaohm	Yes there is quite a bit in there.	Jul 29 00:06
cubexyz	did you know The Weather Channel funded Tungsten Graphics to develop the Radeon 8500 driver?	Jul 29 00:06
oiaohm	Understandable.	Jul 29 00:06
oiaohm	They want competition between AMD and Nvidia to try to keep processing costs down.	Jul 29 00:06
cubexyz	oiaohm, I don't think older linux had /lib/firmware	Jul 29 00:07
oiaohm	cubexyz: weather forcasting these days uses a hell load of gpus.	Jul 29 00:07
cubexyz	yes	Jul 29 00:07
cubexyz	fc1 had /etc/firmware	Jul 29 00:08
oiaohm	Before /lib/firmware the firmware files were spreed all over the place.	Jul 29 00:08
oiaohm	Ie where ever distrobutions thought was a good idea.	Jul 29 00:08
oiaohm	Linux kernel setting /lib/firmware was a good solution.	Jul 29 00:08
cubexyz	not really a library though	Jul 29 00:09
oiaohm	Kinda is.	Jul 29 00:09
oiaohm	cubexyz: I now it streeching the meaning of library.	Jul 29 00:11
oiaohm	kernel loads firmware to shove into devices so devices provide functions.	Jul 29 00:11
oiaohm	You load libraries into normal application to get access to functions the library contains.	Jul 29 00:12
oiaohm	/lib/firmware makes more sense than /etc/firmware as you are really never to edit firmware files unless you are willing to make stuff burn.	Jul 29 00:12
cubexyz	I certainly have no idea what it does	Jul 29 00:13
oiaohm	That is the fun with firmware.	Jul 29 00:14
oiaohm	Until you load it to a device or can decomple it you don't know what it does.	Jul 29 00:14
cubexyz	all I know is it says "Loading R300 Microcode"	Jul 29 00:15
oiaohm	Other than provided documentation.	Jul 29 00:15
oiaohm	you have a radion video card I guess by that.	Jul 29 00:15
cubexyz	yes	Jul 29 00:15
oiaohm	That is making the GPU functional	Jul 29 00:16
cubexyz	so what would happen if the R300 microcode was not loaded?	Jul 29 00:16
oiaohm	Until that only 2d part of a R300 works.	Jul 29 00:16
oiaohm	Even not all the 3d part.	Jul 29 00:16
cubexyz	would the text console still work?	Jul 29 00:16
oiaohm	Opps	Jul 29 00:16
oiaohm	not even all the 2d part.	Jul 29 00:17
oiaohm	r300 in what. R300 I think apple did a machine that was frame buffer only.	Jul 29 00:17
cubexyz	no EXA acceleration, textured video or 3d acceleration without microcode it says	Jul 29 00:17
cubexyz	what's textured video? :)	Jul 29 00:18
oiaohm	video acceleration	Jul 29 00:18
oiaohm	texture video is gpu decode video to a opengl texture.	Jul 29 00:18
oiaohm	EXA is 2d acceleration. So fairly much back to a basic framebuffer without it.	Jul 29 00:19
cubexyz	it actually says it's loading R300 microcode every time I which to and from the text console	Jul 29 00:20
cubexyz	s/which/switch/	Jul 29 00:20
cubexyz	it's an unconditional console message	Jul 29 00:21
oiaohm	AMD closed source drivers yes?	Jul 29 00:21
oiaohm	Because if so this is the open soruce/closed source cat fight.	Jul 29 00:21
cubexyz	actually wait, it's just in dmesg	Jul 29 00:22
cubexyz	but I just noticed it	Jul 29 00:22
oiaohm	If you are running Amd closed source drivers the X11 uses that.	Jul 29 00:22
oiaohm	And the text based framebuffer console uses open source	Jul 29 00:22
cubexyz	no, I have open source video driver	Jul 29 00:23
oiaohm	hmm that ood	Jul 29 00:23
oiaohm	because it should only need to load the firmware once in that case.	Jul 29 00:23
oiaohm	Maybe they are treating it like it has the closed source loaded.	Jul 29 00:23
oiaohm	amdgpu driver as a unified thing is going to be so great it not funny.	Jul 29 00:24
oiaohm	end all this stupid driver fighting with driver.	Jul 29 00:24
cubexyz	not sure if I have the source to radeonfb though	Jul 29 00:24
oiaohm	cubexyz: what I describe was how it was 2 years ago.	Jul 29 00:25
oiaohm	Nvidia closed source and framebuffer cat fights as well.	Jul 29 00:27
cubexyz	it used to be in /usr/src	Jul 29 00:28
cubexyz	radeonfb.c	Jul 29 00:28
cubexyz	so confusing	Jul 29 00:29
cubexyz	I wanted to look at that code to see what it does	Jul 29 00:29
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schestowitz	https://twitter.com/fcassia/status/626228273702400000	Jul 29 02:48
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@fcassia: Looks like #OpenBSD can give #Cisco routers some kicking https://t.co/VeqmB3o5zs cc/@schestowitz #opensource		Jul 29 02:48
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@fcassia: "we replaced all #Cisco routers w #OpenBSD boxes(…)extremely reliable&fast for #gigabit-level L3 intra-vlan routing" https://t.co/abb3nl27d1		Jul 29 02:48
schestowitz	https://twitter.com/annejanbrouwer/status/626284182357061632	Jul 29 02:55
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@annejanbrouwer: @schestowitz may prevent some squeamish ppl from installing openWRT		Jul 29 02:55
schestowitz	https://joindiaspora.com/posts/6399036	Jul 29 02:57
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: When corporations buy airspace http://www.theguardian.com/technology/2015/jul/28/amazon-autonomous-drones-only-airspace-package-delivery		Jul 29 02:57
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights--> www.theguardian.com \| Amazon proposes drones-only airspace to facilitate high-speed delivery \| Technology \| The Guardian [ http://ur1.ca/nahvq ]		Jul 29 02:57
schestowitz	"That ties in nicely with what the FAA proposed for rc aircraft a few months ago… What turkeys."	Jul 29 02:57
schestowitz	https://twitter.com/CDSRV/status/626288232305594369	Jul 29 03:10
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@CDSRV: @voidquest44 @schestowitz : digging up articles from 1990's?		Jul 29 03:10
schestowitz	> https://soylentnews.org/breakingnews/article.pl?sid=15/07/28/1433251	Jul 29 03:26
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schestowitz	>	Jul 29 03:26
schestowitz	> "The Company… has not successfully leveraged the	Jul 29 03:26
schestowitz	> Slashdot user base."	Jul 29 03:26
schestowitz	>	Jul 29 03:26
schestowitz	> http://arstechnica.com/information-technology/2015/07/dhi-group-plans-to-sell-off-slashdot-and-sourceforge/	Jul 29 03:26
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-arstechnica.com \| DHI Group plans to sell off Slashdot and Sourceforge \| Ars Technica [ http://ur1.ca/nai44 ]		Jul 29 03:26
schestowitz	>	Jul 29 03:26
schestowitz	> No, but they have successfully chased away the users and driven the site	Jul 29 03:26
schestowitz	> into the ground perhaps irrevocably, and probably on purpose.	Jul 29 03:26
schestowitz	Does the Dice/DHI Web site reveal any connection to MS, e.g. board of directors?	Jul 29 03:26
schestowitz	https://twitter.com/FrancisJeffrey7/status/626290600732696576]	Jul 29 03:32
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@FrancisJeffrey7: @voidquest44 @schestowitz Complex s/w that my crew wrote in 1990s: crashed (about) MONTHLY, on top of BSD Unix that crashed (about) WEEKLY.		Jul 29 03:32
schestowitz	https://twitter.com/Messgorough/status/626291866410053632	Jul 29 03:32
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@Messgorough: @schestowitz Can't quite see that Malaysian airways flight either.....		Jul 29 03:32
schestowitz	https://twitter.com/coryxoxo/status/626291882436341760	Jul 29 03:32
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@coryxoxo: @schestowitz Think they got a flying lightning death machine? I'd take one in a video game.		Jul 29 03:32
cubexyz	bull... bsd did not crash weekly	Jul 29 03:35
cubexyz	that's bull	Jul 29 03:35
cubexyz	even quasijarus had uptimes over 200 days	Jul 29 03:35
schestowitz	https://joindiaspora.com/posts/6399577	Jul 29 03:36
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: Nope, White House won’t pardon Snowden http://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/2015/07/nope-white-house-wont-pardon-snowden/ pardons the criminals, not the person reporting them		Jul 29 03:36
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights--> arstechnica.com \| Nope, White House won’t pardon Snowden \| Ars Technica [ http://ur1.ca/nai60 ]		Jul 29 03:36
schestowitz	"That was to expect…"	Jul 29 03:36
schestowitz	Some want to hang him	Jul 29 03:36
cubexyz	I never saw win2k last much beyond 50 days	Jul 29 03:36
cubexyz	win95 was a crashomatic	Jul 29 03:37
schestowitz	well, that was a long time ago	Jul 29 03:37
schestowitz	I guess Mac OS was not much better	Jul 29 03:37
schestowitz	nor Linux	Jul 29 03:37
schestowitz	which hardly even had a good GUI at the time	Jul 29 03:37
schestowitz	but WIndows continues to be buggy and unstable for a long time to come	Jul 29 03:37
schestowitz	cubexyz: I don't think there's much Windows left, the world adopts Android	Jul 29 03:38
cubexyz	I hear the guy on CTV news (normally pro microsoft) diss windows	Jul 29 03:38
schestowitz	Microsoft is learning to accept that too	Jul 29 03:38
schestowitz	now it has some launchers for android	Jul 29 03:38
schestowitz	ir seeks patent payments	Jul 29 03:39
cubexyz	the cracks are starting to show	Jul 29 03:39
schestowitz	and is uses Cyanogen Inc. as a Trojan horse	Jul 29 03:39
schestowitz	cubexyz: did he diss Vista 10?	Jul 29 03:39
schestowitz	I got marketing spam about it this morning	Jul 29 03:39
cubexyz	he basically said windows 8 was crap and fewer people now use windows	Jul 29 03:40
cubexyz	and that microsoft "has to" give windows 10 for free	Jul 29 03:40
schestowitz	https://joindiaspora.com/posts/6399577	Jul 29 03:41
schestowitz	"BUT WE ALL ASKED SO NICELY!!!11"	Jul 29 03:41
cubexyz	since google gives out chrome os for free and I think Apple gives away it's OS for free also?	Jul 29 03:41
cubexyz	not sure	Jul 29 03:41
schestowitz	Governments of occupations don't care what people think, they tell people what to think. And if people still don't agree, they call them dissident, "target" them.	Jul 29 03:41
cubexyz	a LOT of people are repurposing old computers with Linux	Jul 29 03:42
cubexyz	I saw that in Toronto recently	Jul 29 03:42
schestowitz	cool!	Jul 29 03:42
schestowitz	yes, BUT..	Jul 29 03:43
schestowitz	MS isn't giving it for free	Jul 29 03:43
schestowitz	that's a lie	Jul 29 03:43
schestowitz	it makes it free UPDATE	Jul 29 03:43
schestowitz	like system update	Jul 29 03:43
schestowitz	which is a different thing	Jul 29 03:43
cubexyz	how much does it cost for system builders I wonder	Jul 29 03:43
schestowitz	~5 posts debunking the 'free' Vista 10 lie in this new page: http://techrights.org/wiki/index.php/Vista_10_Reality_Log	Jul 29 03:43
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org \| Vista 10 Reality Log - Techrights [ http://ur1.ca/nadnk ]		Jul 29 03:43
schestowitz	cubexyz: depends which system builder	Jul 29 03:44
schestowitz	they keep that secret so that they can price syndamically	Jul 29 03:44
schestowitz	dynamically	Jul 29 03:44
cubexyz	probably about $15 to $50	Jul 29 03:44
schestowitz	but someone once leaked some documents to me	Jul 29 03:44
cubexyz	I'm guessing	Jul 29 03:44
schestowitz	http://techrights.org/2009/06/12/tesco-lies-for-ms-cash/	Jul 29 03:46
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org \| Tesco Recommends Vista “Due to Endorsement Money Paid to Tesco from Microsoft” \| Techrights [ http://ur1.ca/nai87 ]		Jul 29 03:46
schestowitz	http://techrights.org/2008/12/01/leaked-oem-vista-ad-incentives/	Jul 29 03:46
schestowitz	Classics	Jul 29 03:47
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org \| Leaked: Microsoft Pays Companies to Recommend Windows \| Techrights [ http://ur1.ca/204qa ]		Jul 29 03:47
cubexyz	ok I have an answer in the form of an email	Jul 29 03:59
cubexyz	microsoft windows 10 home OEM $127.99	Jul 29 03:59
cubexyz	$179.99 for pro	Jul 29 04:00
cubexyz	:-P	Jul 29 04:00
cubexyz	you can have crap or deluxe crap	Jul 29 04:02
cubexyz	anyways they were selling used P4's with Linux in Toronto for 20 bucks	Jul 29 04:03
cubexyz	http://eused.ca	Jul 29 04:03
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-eused.ca \| EUSED - Toronto PC Mac Linux Andriod Computer Store		Jul 29 04:03
cubexyz	not that I'd want a P4 but still it's so cheap	Jul 29 04:05
cubexyz	windows 10, not to be confused with windows 1.0	Jul 29 04:08
cubexyz	did you know you can't copy an audio cd on windows?	Jul 29 04:09
cubexyz	I had to use my customer's linux box to copy some audio cds	Jul 29 04:10
cubexyz	GST, that sounds like a Canadian Microsoft deal	Jul 29 04:11
cubexyz	oh wait, there's GST in Australia, Hong Kong, India, Malaysia, New Zealand and Singapore	Jul 29 04:13
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schestowitz	https://twitter.com/encycl/status/626306138938568704	Jul 29 04:20
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@encycl: @schestowitz "once upon a time" is not a defense for an offensive word. That's what progress means.		Jul 29 04:20
schestowitz	Right, but the point is, github threatens to censor projects based on offensive words	Jul 29 04:21
cubexyz	I pretty much knew Microsoft sucked back in 1988	Jul 29 04:30
cubexyz	I compared windows 2.0 to topview and desqview	Jul 29 04:30
cubexyz	topview was this awful thing from IBM	Jul 29 04:30
cubexyz	windows 2.0 was slightly better than topview but ran slow	Jul 29 04:30
cubexyz	Xenix was boring but it ran without problems	Jul 29 04:31
schestowitz	https://twitter.com/encycl/status/626307953570635777	Jul 29 04:31
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@encycl: @schestowitz the censorship is troubling to me.		Jul 29 04:31
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Western Greece switches to using open source	Jul 29 04:54
TweetTuxMachines	GIS http://t.co/bWYipi2y4u	Jul 29 04:54
TweetTuxMachines	(www.tuxmachines.org)	Jul 29 04:54
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/nairn	Jul 29 04:55
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org \| Western Greece switches to using open source GIS \| Tux Machines		Jul 29 04:55
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Gentoo-Based Sabayon Linux Gets Its Monthly	Jul 29 04:55
TweetTuxMachines	Update for August 2015 http://t.co/g0vw32jwpU	Jul 29 04:55
TweetTuxMachines	(www.tuxmachines.org)	Jul 29 04:55
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org \| Gentoo-Based Sabayon Linux Gets Its Monthly Update for August 2015 \| Tux Machines		Jul 29 04:55
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/nairq	Jul 29 04:55
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Second Release Candidate of NetBSD 7.0 Brings	Jul 29 04:55
TweetTuxMachines	Latest OpenSSL and BIND Updates	Jul 29 04:55
TweetTuxMachines	http://t.co/sfu1yFYAWK (www.tuxmachines.org)	Jul 29 04:55
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/nairr	Jul 29 04:55
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org \| Second Release Candidate of NetBSD 7.0 Brings Latest OpenSSL and BIND Updates \| Tux Machines		Jul 29 04:55
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Nvidia 352.30 Stable Driver for Linux Has Lots	Jul 29 04:56
TweetTuxMachines	of Fixes and GeForce 910M Support	Jul 29 04:56
TweetTuxMachines	http://t.co/moRAGYK0M0 (news.softpedia.com)	Jul 29 04:56
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/naisb	Jul 29 04:56
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-news.softpedia.com \| Nvidia 352.30 Stable Driver for Linux Has Lots of Fixes and GeForce 910M Support - Softpedia		Jul 29 04:56
*TweetTuxMachines @LukeVizzicks retweeted @tuxmachines: 'Second Release Candidate of NetBSD 7.0 Brings Latest...'		Jul 29 04:56
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Apache HTTP Server Vulnerabilities Fixes in	Jul 29 05:00
TweetTuxMachines	Ubuntu OSes http://t.co/twxwjpbqZS	Jul 29 05:00
TweetTuxMachines	(linux.softpedia.com)	Jul 29 05:00
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-linux.softpedia.com \| Apache HTTP Server Vulnerabilities Fixed in Ubuntu OSes - Softpedia		Jul 29 05:00
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/naiu7	Jul 29 05:00
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Ubuntu Software Center Is Really Hated by the	Jul 29 05:00
TweetTuxMachines	Community, but Why? http://t.co/UeNvcQPYcc	Jul 29 05:00
TweetTuxMachines	(news.softpedia.com) well-documented	Jul 29 05:00
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-news.softpedia.com \| Ubuntu Software Center Is Really Hated by the Community, but Why? - Softpedia		Jul 29 05:00
TweetTuxMachines	controversy	Jul 29 05:00
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/naiu8	Jul 29 05:00
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Canonical Patches Four Linux Kernel	Jul 29 05:00
TweetTuxMachines	Vulnerabilities in Ubuntu 15.04 and Ubuntu	Jul 29 05:00
TweetTuxMachines	14.04 http://t.co/4f6JgUmsq0	Jul 29 05:01
TweetTuxMachines	(news.softpedia.com)	Jul 29 05:01
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-news.softpedia.com \| Canonical Patches Four Linux Kernel Vulnerabilities in Ubuntu 15.04 and Ubuntu 14.04 - Softpedia		Jul 29 05:01
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/naiu9	Jul 29 05:01
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Raspberry Pi gains $35 HAT-based touchscreen	Jul 29 05:08
TweetTuxMachines	http://t.co/PyH47ouxbg (linuxgizmos.com)	Jul 29 05:08
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-linuxgizmos.com \| Raspberry Pi gains $35 HAT-based touchscreen · LinuxGizmos.com		Jul 29 05:08
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/naix3	Jul 29 05:08
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Watch: Ubuntu MATE 15.04 Linux Running on the	Jul 29 05:08
TweetTuxMachines	MK808B Plus Quad-Core Mini TV Box	Jul 29 05:08
TweetTuxMachines	http://t.co/UJEcefDmlg (linux.softpedia.com)	Jul 29 05:08
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/naix4	Jul 29 05:08
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-linux.softpedia.com \| Watch: Ubuntu MATE 15.04 Linux Running on the MK808B Plus Quad-Core Mini TV Box - Softpedia		Jul 29 05:08
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Ubuntu's Mir 0.14 Display Server Officially	Jul 29 05:08
TweetTuxMachines	Released, Here's What's Coming in Mir 0.15	Jul 29 05:08
TweetTuxMachines	http://t.co/95jJL67s2H (news.softpedia.com)	Jul 29 05:08
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/naix5	Jul 29 05:08
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-news.softpedia.com \| Ubuntu's Mir 0.14 Display Server Officially Released, Here's What's Coming in Mir 0.15 - Softpedia		Jul 29 05:08
msb_	I wrote a multitasking animated graphics program in C that ran under DesqView, I think on a 386. It was an excellent system.	Jul 29 05:21
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Gentoo-Based Sabayon Linux Gets Its Monthly	Jul 29 05:31
TweetTuxMachines	Update for August 2015 http://t.co/ntBuHOYOTl	Jul 29 05:31
TweetTuxMachines	(news.softpedia.com)	Jul 29 05:31
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-news.softpedia.com \| Gentoo-Based Sabayon Linux Gets Its Monthly Update for August 2015 - Softpedia		Jul 29 05:31
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/naj4w	Jul 29 05:31
schestowitz	https://twitter.com/JohnitoMusic/status/626322848584495104	Jul 29 05:31
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@JohnitoMusic: @schestowitz I can imagine.But to me the 'light on resources' argument is more important,especially because I only use second hand gear atm.		Jul 29 05:31
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines i.MX6 module and Pico-ITX sized carrier run	Jul 29 05:31
TweetTuxMachines	Buildroot Linux http://t.co/DLFtYfSUoo	Jul 29 05:31
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-linuxgizmos.com \| i.MX6 module and Pico-ITX sized carrier run Buildroot Linux · LinuxGizmos.com		Jul 29 05:31
TweetTuxMachines	(linuxgizmos.com)	Jul 29 05:31
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/naj4x	Jul 29 05:31
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines OlliOlli2 Grinding coming to gnu linux	Jul 29 05:32
TweetTuxMachines	http://t.co/lRaK2KjtXS (www.thesixthaxis.com)	Jul 29 05:32
schestowitz	That's why we need choice in GNU/Linux	Jul 29 05:32
TweetTuxMachines	http://t.co/kv79sfFG9i (www.hardcoregamer.com)	Jul 29 05:32
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.thesixthaxis.com \| OlliOlli 2 Brings The Tricks To PC, Mac & Linux On August 11th		Jul 29 05:32
TweetTuxMachines	http://t.co/2TwUcVlvOX (www.develop-online.net)	Jul 29 05:32
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.hardcoregamer.com \| OlliOlli2 Grinding to PC, Mac and Linux this August \| Hardcore Gamer		Jul 29 05:32
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/naj4z	Jul 29 05:32
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.develop-online.net \| OlliOlli2: Welcome to Olliwood Grinds Onto PC, Mac and Linux on August 11 \| Games industry press releases \| Develop		Jul 29 05:32
schestowitz	https://twitter.com/MariusNestor/status/626323027886739456	Jul 29 05:32
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@MariusNestor: @schestowitz haha 😁😁		Jul 29 05:32
schestowitz	https://twitter.com/JohnitoMusic/status/626324787867029504	Jul 29 05:42
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@JohnitoMusic: @schestowitz agreed. One of many things I like about it		Jul 29 05:42
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines It's Easy to Port Mobile HTML5 Games to Ubuntu	Jul 29 05:47
TweetTuxMachines	Phone, Says the Community Manager	Jul 29 05:47
TweetTuxMachines	http://t.co/2aotNAxFca (linux.softpedia.com)	Jul 29 05:47
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/najaw	Jul 29 05:47
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-linux.softpedia.com \| It's Easy to Port Mobile HTML5 Games to Ubuntu Phone, Says the Community Manager - Softpedia		Jul 29 05:47
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Solus Linux OS Boots in 1.2 Seconds	Jul 29 05:47
TweetTuxMachines	http://t.co/yeQecrYtcm (news.softpedia.com)	Jul 29 05:47
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-news.softpedia.com \| Solus Linux OS Boots in 1.2 Seconds - Softpedia		Jul 29 05:47
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/najax	Jul 29 05:47
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Canonical Patches Two BIND Vulnerabilities in	Jul 29 05:47
TweetTuxMachines	All Supported Ubuntu OSes, Update Now	Jul 29 05:47
TweetTuxMachines	http://t.co/rXhzUIHmsg (www.tuxmachines.org)	Jul 29 05:47
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/najb0	Jul 29 05:47
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org \| Canonical Patches Two BIND Vulnerabilities in All Supported Ubuntu OSes, Update Now \| Tux Machines		Jul 29 05:47
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Leftovers: Ubuntu Touch http://t.co/IUsQaVyk3L	Jul 29 05:47
TweetTuxMachines	(www.tuxmachines.org)	Jul 29 05:47
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org \| Leftovers: Ubuntu Touch \| Tux Machines		Jul 29 05:47
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/najb1	Jul 29 05:47
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Solus Linux OS Boots in 1.2 Seconds	Jul 29 05:47
TweetTuxMachines	http://t.co/0MFOBIkdxs (www.tuxmachines.org)	Jul 29 05:47
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/najb3	Jul 29 05:47
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org \| Solus Linux OS Boots in 1.2 Seconds \| Tux Machines		Jul 29 05:47
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Using OpenBSD as a FreeBSD Router	Jul 29 05:47
TweetTuxMachines	http://t.co/Fn70EtgHZk (www.tuxmachines.org)	Jul 29 05:47
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/najb4	Jul 29 05:47
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org \| Using OpenBSD as a FreeBSD Router \| Tux Machines		Jul 29 05:47
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines GNOME's LaTeXila TeX/LaTeX Editor App Gets New	Jul 29 05:47
TweetTuxMachines	Features, Prepares for GNOME 3.18	Jul 29 05:47
TweetTuxMachines	http://t.co/TeaWl2Ubgw (www.tuxmachines.org)	Jul 29 05:47
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/najb5	Jul 29 05:47
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org \| GNOME's LaTeXila TeX/LaTeX Editor App Gets New Features, Prepares for GNOME 3.18 \| Tux Machines		Jul 29 05:47
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schestowitz	https://twitter.com/johanhegg/status/626331434291085312	Jul 29 06:01
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@johanhegg: @schestowitz Mate		Jul 29 06:01
schestowitz	One of the few I never tried	Jul 29 06:01
schestowitz	unless Mint in 2010 counted for that	Jul 29 06:02
schestowitz	https://twitter.com/eee_eff/status/626331773794951168	Jul 29 06:02
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@eee_eff: @schestowitz I still like blackbox, most elegant, useful and uncluttered yet. Too bad NOT GPL, so #openbox		Jul 29 06:02
schestowitz	There's a openbox+kde+qt+plasma hybrid that I tried last year	Jul 29 06:02
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines GNOME's LaTeXila TeX/LaTeX Editor App Gets New	Jul 29 06:05
TweetTuxMachines	Features, Prepares for GNOME 3.18	Jul 29 06:05
TweetTuxMachines	http://t.co/RgjllReScP (linux.softpedia.com)	Jul 29 06:05
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-linux.softpedia.com \| GNOME's LaTeXila TeX/LaTeX Editor App Gets New Features, Prepares for GNOME 3.18 - Softpedia		Jul 29 06:05
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Today in Techrights http://t.co/ShMJFTRp01	Jul 29 06:05
TweetTuxMachines	retweeted by (www.tuxmachines.org)	Jul 29 06:05
TweetTuxMachines	@schestowitz	Jul 29 06:05
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/najet	Jul 29 06:05
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org \| Today in Techrights \| Tux Machines		Jul 29 06:05
schestowitz	https://twitter.com/eee_eff/status/626332623070171136	Jul 29 06:07
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@eee_eff: @schestowitz yes, SuSE has an openbox kde desktop. Used some, but some apps looked odd...		Jul 29 06:07
schestowitz	Yes, not tested under such setups	Jul 29 06:07
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schestowitz	https://twitter.com/johanhegg/status/626336681117913088	Jul 29 06:23
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@johanhegg: @schestowitz Nope lol tried mint, and Mate hands down for me at least, is the best so far, accessibility being my main reason		Jul 29 06:23
schestowitz	https://joindiaspora.com/posts/6399483	Jul 29 06:28
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: #diegogarcia is so blurred/grainy/low res in #googlemaps that one wonders if it's intentional. Nukes, subs, bombers, torture flights there.		Jul 29 06:28
schestowitz	"If it this is more the case than in surrounding bits of land, then I would stop wondering."	Jul 29 06:28
schestowitz	I guess all they have is satellite footage and no aerial footage like much of Google Maps. Would US Navy etc. want planes flying overhead for publication? If there was war, Diego Garcia would be a top target alongside Hawaii, Guam, maybe Luzon and a few other vulnerable but strategic areas	Jul 29 06:30
schestowitz	"Yes and sadly consumers have to pay a fee whenever they want to withdraw cash from ATMs so people start transitioning to cards."	Jul 29 06:32
schestowitz	https://joindiaspora.com/posts/6399548	Jul 29 06:32
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: In #sweden "banks don't want to pay the 'expense' of handling cash," iopkh shows http://www.svd.se/pengar-problem-i-kontanthanteringen/om/debatten-om-kontanterna		Jul 29 06:32
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights--> www.svd.se \| Ingen vill betala för kontanterna \| SvD [ http://ur1.ca/najtj ]		Jul 29 06:32
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Watch: Ubuntu MATE 15.04 Linux Running on the	Jul 29 06:49
TweetTuxMachines	retweeted by MK808B Plus Quad-Core Mini TV Box	Jul 29 06:49
TweetTuxMachines	@tokvbok http://t.co/UJEcefDmlg (linux.softpedia.com)	Jul 29 06:49
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/nak1e	Jul 29 06:49
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-linux.softpedia.com \| Watch: Ubuntu MATE 15.04 Linux Running on the MK808B Plus Quad-Core Mini TV Box - Softpedia		Jul 29 06:49
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines "I have settled on maintaining my sensitive	Jul 29 06:49
TweetTuxMachines	data in plain-text files that I then encrypt	Jul 29 06:49
TweetTuxMachines	asymmetrically" http://t.co/ZJzynpCvox	Jul 29 06:49
TweetTuxMachines	(www.linuxjournal.com)	Jul 29 06:49
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.linuxjournal.com \| Hacking a Safe with Bash \| Linux Journal		Jul 29 06:49
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/nak1f	Jul 29 06:49
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MinceR	https://plus.google.com/+JohnMcKenzie/posts/KFG3PWHrYHu	Jul 29 07:42
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-plus.google.com \| Just remember folks - upgrading to Windows 10 - Asimov/CEIP/WER (MS' real time… [ http://ur1.ca/nakpj ]		Jul 29 07:42
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MinceR	https://edri.org/microsofts-new-small-print-how-your-personal-data-abused/	Jul 29 07:59
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Canonical Says Ubuntu-Based Docker Images Are	Jul 29 08:24
TweetTuxMachines	Not a Copyright Violation	Jul 29 08:24
TweetTuxMachines	http://t.co/FjryivHca1 (www.tuxmachines.org)	Jul 29 08:24
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/nal69	Jul 29 08:24
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org \| Canonical Says Ubuntu-Based Docker Images Are Not a Copyright Violation \| Tux Machines		Jul 29 08:24
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Poll: "I am not using systemd and plan to avoid	Jul 29 08:24
TweetTuxMachines	it: 1170 (44%)	Jul 29 08:24
TweetTuxMachines	I use systemd and like it: 787 (30%)"	Jul 29 08:24
TweetTuxMachines	http://t.co/5MwBGsGZ9w (distrowatch.com)	Jul 29 08:24
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/nal6a	Jul 29 08:24
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-distrowatch.com \| DistroWatch.com: Put the fun back into computing. Use Linux, BSD.		Jul 29 08:24
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msb_	MinceR: People _do_ want to be free! "I am not using systemd and plan to avoid it: 1170 (44%)"	Jul 29 08:53
oiaohm	msb_: you are forgetting the 30 percent who are happy using it.	Jul 29 08:54
MinceR	that poll does not reflect the population of even one country	Jul 29 08:54
oiaohm	That is not a clear win one way or the other.	Jul 29 08:54
oiaohm	Due to the infighting over init systems before systemd I was not expecting a clear win.	Jul 29 08:55
msb_	That poll is representative of people in many countries.	Jul 29 08:55
oiaohm	Key word is plan to avoid includes people who have not even bothered trying it yet.	Jul 29 08:55
oiaohm	The level of bad press for it only to be 44 percent is impressive.	Jul 29 08:56
cubexyz	that poll over-simplifies things	Jul 29 08:56
msb_	Many people, nearly half, want to be free.	Jul 29 08:56
cubexyz	it doesn't talk about BSD init or Plan 9 init	Jul 29 08:56
oiaohm	BSD init and Plan 9 init are not properly functional on a Linux kernel.	Jul 29 08:57
cubexyz	ok, let's see the link	Jul 29 08:58
cubexyz	is this the _Distro_ Watch poll?	Jul 29 08:58
cubexyz	you distro watch not linux watch	Jul 29 08:59
cubexyz	you know	Jul 29 08:59
oiaohm	http://distrowatch.com/weekly.php?pollnumber=8&myaction=SeeVote&issue=20150713#poll	Jul 29 08:59
msb_	Most poll participants have only heard of sysvinit and systemd. And many have been forced into using systemd by coercive distro admins. Given those facts, 44% rejecting systemd is very encouraging.	Jul 29 08:59
oiaohm	If you total up those who using systemd hate it or not is 42 percent add on 4 percent who are going to try it.	Jul 29 08:59
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Links 29/7/2015: Akademy 2015 Ends, NetBSD 7.0	Jul 29 09:00
TweetTuxMachines	RC http://t.co/DRtLBikt3a (techrights.org)	Jul 29 09:00
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/nall3	Jul 29 09:00
cubexyz	right, doesn't say anything about the linux kernel	Jul 29 09:00
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines KDE and Akademy http://t.co/BxJMmu5XLm	Jul 29 09:00
TweetTuxMachines	(www.tuxmachines.org)	Jul 29 09:00
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/nall4	Jul 29 09:00
MinceR	"don't knock cyanide until you've tried it"	Jul 29 09:00
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Leftovers: Gaming http://t.co/BIreRfGwXU	Jul 29 09:00
TweetTuxMachines	(www.tuxmachines.org)	Jul 29 09:00
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/nall7	Jul 29 09:00
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Leftovers: Software http://t.co/z2mtwTBNTD	Jul 29 09:00
TweetTuxMachines	(www.tuxmachines.org)	Jul 29 09:00
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/nall8	Jul 29 09:00
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org \| Links 29/7/2015: Akademy 2015 Ends, NetBSD 7.0 RC \| Techrights		Jul 29 09:00
cubexyz	it just simpilifies things to like systemd don't like systemd	Jul 29 09:00
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org \| KDE and Akademy \| Tux Machines		Jul 29 09:00
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org \| Leftovers: Gaming \| Tux Machines		Jul 29 09:00
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cubexyz	so I guess "I am not using systemd" has to cover BSD init and other ones	Jul 29 09:01
msb_	Tens of millions of people have been using sysvinit with Linux for 15 years. Despite oiaohm's objections, they have had few if any problems with it.	Jul 29 09:01
cubexyz	that's too linux-centric	Jul 29 09:01
oiaohm	MinceR: I have eaten apple seeds that contains a small about of cyanide and its quite nice in fact.	Jul 29 09:02
msb_	cubexyz: What's the ratio of Linux users to BSD users?	Jul 29 09:02
oiaohm	about/amount	Jul 29 09:02
cubexyz	the fact is that Bell Labs Unix was the template for everything that came afterwards	Jul 29 09:02
oiaohm	msb_: all distrobutions have had open bugs over issues with sysvinit.	Jul 29 09:02
oiaohm	msb_: that is all Linux distrobutions.	Jul 29 09:03
msb_	oiaohm: But they are not significant in probability. That's what you keep ignoring.	Jul 29 09:03
MinceR	oiaohm: obviously the dosage was off. :>	Jul 29 09:04
oiaohm	Interesting enough lot of sysvinit emulation problems in systemd has to do with LSB meta data in sysvinit script to assist auto configuration of startup order being wrong.	Jul 29 09:04
cubexyz	sysvinit is from... AT&T Unix	Jul 29 09:05
oiaohm	So sysvinit auto configuration tools have been breaking for a long time.	Jul 29 09:05
cubexyz	people seem to forget their history	Jul 29 09:05
msb_	Decades ago I knew a girl with a brain tumor that was being kept in check with Laetrile tablets, the cyanide ingredient in apple and apricot seeds.	Jul 29 09:05
MinceR	well, it does have a cyanide group but that's not what i was referring to	Jul 29 09:06
MinceR	i was referring to the cyanide ion.	Jul 29 09:06
cubexyz	so around 1982	Jul 29 09:06
MinceR	(or the cyanide group in HCN)	Jul 29 09:06
cubexyz	now, all of a sudden sysvinit is bad	Jul 29 09:06
cubexyz	I never heard talk like that when I worked on SCO Xenix	Jul 29 09:07
oiaohm	cubexyz: SCO Xenix did not recycle PID instead crashed.	Jul 29 09:07
cubexyz	it was bad, but not because of sysvinit	Jul 29 09:07
cubexyz	it was bad because that it was closed source	Jul 29 09:07
MinceR	suddenly ony sysvinit and systemd exist, suddenly it's impossible to things without systemd that we've been doing without systemd for ages	Jul 29 09:08
MinceR	s/ony/only/	Jul 29 09:08
MinceR	we're living in interesting times	Jul 29 09:08
oiaohm	cubexyz: bad because it did not remain running as long as solaris or Linux that do recycle PID numbers.	Jul 29 09:08
oiaohm	cubexyz: and bsd	Jul 29 09:08
cubexyz	no, I never said only sysvinit and systemd	Jul 29 09:08
msb_	It is L-mandelonitrile, one of the first alternative cancer treatments. Cancer cells have more of the enzyme that breaks it down and releases the CN than normal cells.	Jul 29 09:08
MinceR	not you, cubexyz	Jul 29 09:08
cubexyz	I definitely talked about pre-sysvinit	Jul 29 09:08
MinceR	systemd apologists keep framing it as if only sysvinit and systemd existed	Jul 29 09:08
MinceR	(or, in the case of debian's leadership, only sysvinit, upstart and systemd existed)	Jul 29 09:09
oiaohm	MinceR: http://chemistry.about.com/od/healthsafety/f/Do-Apple-Seeds-Contain-Poison.htm Its the level of posion small ammount of cyanide is a danager to the human body. Is a interesting taste in fact.	Jul 29 09:09
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cubexyz	it is irksome that people don't talk about BSD	Jul 29 09:09
cubexyz	I think BSD is very important	Jul 29 09:09
MinceR	if redcrap and their following manages to kill GNU/Linux before they manage to kill BSD, people will talk a lot more about BSD.	Jul 29 09:10
oiaohm	MinceR: that is wrong debian leadership started with 20 and wittled down removing those broken by design.	Jul 29 09:10
cubexyz	clearly it was the template used by Stallman and Torvalds	Jul 29 09:10
oiaohm	Openrc almost won with the debian leadership.	Jul 29 09:10
msb_	Laetrile is the abbreviation for L-mandelonitrile. The human body can definitely withstand small amounts of CN, and it helps to keep cancer down.	Jul 29 09:10
MinceR	oiaohm: no, they didn't remove neither upstart nor systemd, even though both are broken by design.	Jul 29 09:10
oiaohm	upstart was removed due to its ptrace usage that is broken way of tracing processes.	Jul 29 09:11
MinceR	laetrile is a highly toxic product that has not shown any effect on treating cancer	Jul 29 09:11
oiaohm	systemd was taken on board by debian with the possiblity of forking it in future if required.	Jul 29 09:11
MinceR	upstart abuses signals	Jul 29 09:11
cubexyz	AIX is sysvinit too yes?	Jul 29 09:11
MinceR	systemd is basically a collection of design flaws	Jul 29 09:12
cubexyz	I think IBM knows a thing or two	Jul 29 09:12
oiaohm	Sorry MinceR systemd is not that big of a collection of design flaws.	Jul 29 09:12
msb_	This is the lie spread by big Pharma and the govt: " laetrile is a highly toxic product that has not shown any effect on treating cancer"	Jul 29 09:12
MinceR	it has no scope or cohesion, its code is nearly undocumented and unreadable, it's full of unchecked null pointer dereferences	Jul 29 09:12
oiaohm	If systemd is stripped back and not allowed feature creap. Ie taken back to its core its quite a good design.	Jul 29 09:12
MinceR	it does lots of things in PID1 as root that neither PID1 nor processes running as root should ever do	Jul 29 09:13
oiaohm	Not exactly.	Jul 29 09:13
oiaohm	MinceR: do you know what systemd in fact runs as PID1	Jul 29 09:13
oiaohm	Please be sure of what PID1.	Jul 29 09:13
MinceR	i don't, the code is an unholy mess	Jul 29 09:13
MinceR	but it's all tightly coupled	Jul 29 09:13
MinceR	so it doesn't really matter	Jul 29 09:13
oiaohm	Linux kernel has 2 defines of PID1.	Jul 29 09:13
MinceR	it's just like the microsoft school of kernel design	Jul 29 09:14
oiaohm	Nop	Jul 29 09:14
MinceR	systemd apologists wield dependencies as weapons	Jul 29 09:14
oiaohm	The claim of tightly coupled is very wrong.	Jul 29 09:14
oiaohm	libudev is removable.	Jul 29 09:14
MinceR	they've used gnome to foist systemd on debian and others	Jul 29 09:14
oiaohm	Same with logind	Jul 29 09:14
MinceR	now they're using their distros to force kdbus into the kernel	Jul 29 09:15
cubexyz	can you switch from systemd to a different init system easily?	Jul 29 09:15
MinceR	you can't	Jul 29 09:15
msb_	Now I know when I will switch to systemd! When I get a computer with 1024 cores!	Jul 29 09:15
cubexyz	e.g. apt-get remove systemd	Jul 29 09:15
MinceR	systemd comes with at least half of an OS	Jul 29 09:15
oiaohm	MinceR: stop over claiming.	Jul 29 09:15
MinceR	i know when i will switch to systemd	Jul 29 09:15
cubexyz	so if you can't remove it it is tightly coupled yes?	Jul 29 09:15
msb_	and lots of apps that now depend on it	Jul 29 09:15
MinceR	when i switch to windows.	Jul 29 09:15
MinceR	also, systemd is deliberately designed to make it difficult for independent users/developers to change or replace	Jul 29 09:16
cubexyz	so all the AIX and HP-UX devs are wrong too?	Jul 29 09:16
cubexyz	not likely	Jul 29 09:16
oiaohm	No there is more a issue with debian that key things like consolekit has not been updated.	Jul 29 09:16
msb_	Should be about year 2045.	Jul 29 09:17
oiaohm	cubexyz: AIX does not use sysvinit it uses another init that avoids the PID trap.	Jul 29 09:17
cubexyz	oiaohm, what's it called?	Jul 29 09:17
oiaohm	cubexyz: AIX init	Jul 29 09:18
MinceR	not updating "key things" is preferable to hijacking the entire OS	Jul 29 09:18
oiaohm	Yes it has it own init that is sysvinit config compadible but wraps like openrc does.	Jul 29 09:18
oiaohm	HP-UX just dies when it runs to the end of the PID count.	Jul 29 09:18
oiaohm	cubexyz: the reality is only systems that have unique PID numbers other than Linux have been using sysvinit.	Jul 29 09:19
cubexyz	so init 1 is single user mode?	Jul 29 09:19
cubexyz	and all the commands are the same?	Jul 29 09:20
oiaohm	cubexyz: all the commands are the same its like you with upstart you don't notice the difference unless you really look.	Jul 29 09:20
msb_	oiaohm: HP-UX dies after 32K process starts?	Jul 29 09:20
oiaohm	msb_: Yep I fork bomb crashes HP-UX in 1994	Jul 29 09:21
oiaohm	msb_: that way.	Jul 29 09:21
msb_	Linux certainly doesn't. It keeps recycling the unused PIDs.	Jul 29 09:21
oiaohm	msb_: the recycling of PIDs is why sysvinit and Linux don't get along.	Jul 29 09:22
MinceR	they still get along better than systemd and linux	Jul 29 09:22
msb_	I know because I renice Firefox, mencoder and mplayer by PID in order to record TV and play x265s.	Jul 29 09:22
cubexyz	oiaohm, I always wondered why Unix didn't protect against resource exhaustion	Jul 29 09:23
MinceR	(Linux -- soon to be called 'systemd-kernel')	Jul 29 09:23
cubexyz	it didn't seem too hard of a problem to fix	Jul 29 09:23
MinceR	(or is that 'systemd-kerneld'?)	Jul 29 09:23
msb_	Or Lennix.	Jul 29 09:23
MinceR	"Lennix" seems to imply that it has something to do with unix :>	Jul 29 09:24
oiaohm	cubexyz: PID recycling and other clean up come in systems designed that resource exhaustion has to be worried about.	Jul 29 09:24
cubexyz	oiaohm, why does Unix allocate a core part of memory for the OS?	Jul 29 09:24
oiaohm	The fact sysvinit is broken by design and a lot of other competting inits copied the sysvinit mistake of PID.	Jul 29 09:24
cubexyz	why in the world does it swap out everything instead	Jul 29 09:24
oiaohm	Leaves us today with such a limited choice.	Jul 29 09:25
cubexyz	the user can just open more and more programs infinitely until the system crashes	Jul 29 09:25
cubexyz	I thought that was silly	Jul 29 09:25
oiaohm	MinceR: I would like to be able to list more init systems than systemd and openrc as tracking services correctly.	Jul 29 09:25
MinceR	oiaohm: such as the ones that insist on daemons not forking?	Jul 29 09:26
cubexyz	ulimit -u 16384 is a start	Jul 29 09:26
cubexyz	or even 8192	Jul 29 09:26
oiaohm	MinceR: a hacked program can always fork.	Jul 29 09:26
msb_	I would rather have a simpler system that crashes once a year than a far more complicated one.	Jul 29 09:26
MinceR	oiaohm: if your system was broken into, losing track of your daemons is the least of your worries.	Jul 29 09:26
oiaohm	MinceR: depends what user was broken into.	Jul 29 09:27
oiaohm	And it is early detection.	Jul 29 09:27
cubexyz	oiaohm, for example the OS could say ok firefox you can use up to 75% of the memory in the system before I stop allocating you more memory	Jul 29 09:27
oiaohm	systemd can enforce syscall filters. So it can in fact run no fork deamons.	Jul 29 09:27
oiaohm	same with openrc	Jul 29 09:28
oiaohm	cubexyz: cgroups(linux) and zones(solaris) can apply limits like 75 percent of memory can only be allocated to this process group.	Jul 29 09:29
oiaohm	cubexyz: and not a bit more.	Jul 29 09:29
msb_	I just look at the system monitor from time to time, and if firefox is using too much cpu I kill and restart it. Stick shift instead of automatic.	Jul 29 09:29
cubexyz	ok, but it would be nice if the OS stopped it first	Jul 29 09:29
oiaohm	cubexyz: appling the limits you are talking about is why cgroups and zones were made.	Jul 29 09:30
msb_	No, limiting firefox would break it.	Jul 29 09:30
oiaohm	msb_: I have limited firefox.	Jul 29 09:30
cubexyz	there's the OOM killer	Jul 29 09:30
MinceR	cubexyz: afaik the only ways to limit that result in terminating firefox, though	Jul 29 09:30
oiaohm	MinceR: not true.	Jul 29 09:31
cubexyz	MinceR, how about close all tabs except one if memory gets full?	Jul 29 09:31
oiaohm	cgroups can in fact tell the kernel to return null when memory is full.	Jul 29 09:31
MinceR	well, if you can make firefox do that, that's nice	Jul 29 09:31
oiaohm	and firefox gets interesting when it sees that.	Jul 29 09:31
MinceR	but i doubt that the kernel refusing to give it more pages would result in that	Jul 29 09:31
oiaohm	Yes releasing memory.	Jul 29 09:31
oiaohm	You know those 30 pages you browsed past that it has still image rendered.	Jul 29 09:32
msb_	I'd rather quit it and restart it myself. Better chance to keep all my 500 tabs and 10,000 bookmarks.	Jul 29 09:32
MinceR	i've moved most of my tabs to directories	Jul 29 09:32
oiaohm	msb_: firefox will take out rendered images of pages first.	Jul 29 09:32
MinceR	i manage them with a set of shell functions that use wget to fetch the pages	Jul 29 09:32
oiaohm	msb_: so doing this you don't loss settings.	Jul 29 09:32
oiaohm	msb_: having oom killer run on the other hand you might loss settings.	Jul 29 09:32
msb_	I just need to go through the tabs and eliminate ones I no longer need.	Jul 29 09:33
oiaohm	msb_: No that is not how firefox render cache works.	Jul 29 09:33
cubexyz	I mean don't let firefox eat all memory, it seems like a no-brainer	Jul 29 09:33
cubexyz	ff can't have 100% of the memory	Jul 29 09:33
msb_	It doesn't eat all of my memory. It eats all of the cpu.	Jul 29 09:34
MinceR	disabling flash and having NoScript and AdBlock Plus block crap helps	Jul 29 09:34
msb_	Already do most of that.	Jul 29 09:35
cubexyz	yes, I do the same thing you do... I kill ff if the system lags too much	Jul 29 09:35
msb_	I do it when the cpu usage graph gets all humpy.	Jul 29 09:35
cubexyz	in CS it's called thrashing	Jul 29 09:35
MinceR	i restart ff if it uses too much memory	Jul 29 09:36
oiaohm	msb_: is also about limiting cpu usage.	Jul 29 09:37
oiaohm	Its one of the first things you notice after using openrc and systemd for a while.	Jul 29 09:38
cubexyz	CPU is usually just sitting there waiting for data	Jul 29 09:38
oiaohm	That alt-f1 to termianl to login to kill crap works a lot better.	Jul 29 09:38
msb_	I think thrashing would be going to swap. It doesn't do that. It stays in RAM but keeps thinking about all the page changes I've done since restart.	Jul 29 09:38
oiaohm	Because the cgroup of users has broken cpu allocation per user.	Jul 29 09:38
oiaohm	So 1 user cannot stave everyone else out.	Jul 29 09:39
cubexyz	new computer design:	Jul 29 09:39
oiaohm	You can also tune OOM Killer to only go after the user who has consumed everthing.	Jul 29 09:40
cubexyz	with two kinds of memory	Jul 29 09:40
cubexyz	1 gigabyte of ram for firefox	Jul 29 09:40
MinceR	lol	Jul 29 09:40
cubexyz	1 gigabyte of ram for everything else	Jul 29 09:40
MinceR	my idea was to set aside a computer for the web browser	Jul 29 09:40
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MinceR	of course, the "modern" web would have to be unfucked or replaced with something sane for a real solution	Jul 29 09:40
cubexyz	you could have OS ram and application ram	Jul 29 09:41
MinceR	the current mess of specs are probably impossible to implement with a non-bloated, non-leaking, sane web browser	Jul 29 09:41
MinceR	i have Osram LED bulbs, does that count? :>	Jul 29 09:41
cubexyz	I bet mainframes can do that	Jul 29 09:41
oiaohm	MinceR: non leaking is possible.	Jul 29 09:42
MinceR	just not even nearly easy	Jul 29 09:42
oiaohm	MinceR: but that is using sandboxing to terminate the page when the user leaves it.	Jul 29 09:43
oiaohm	Yes the process that renders the page be exterminated.	Jul 29 09:43
oiaohm	Leak proof browser is possible its just not going to be cpu friendly.	Jul 29 09:43
MinceR	yet even sandboxing didn't do the things people expected	Jul 29 09:43
MinceR	it is reported that chrome handles many tabs very badly	Jul 29 09:44
MinceR	(i don't know, as it was way too crash-prone on my PCs to get there)	Jul 29 09:44
oiaohm	chome shared items like flash plugins.	Jul 29 09:44
oiaohm	So no a pure limited that everything in page was rendered in the 1 sandbox.	Jul 29 09:45
MinceR	npapi, the new api, or both?	Jul 29 09:45
oiaohm	Both	Jul 29 09:45
cubexyz	you can tell firefox to never remember history	Jul 29 09:45
cubexyz	that might help	Jul 29 09:45
oiaohm	cubexyz: that is the thing.	Jul 29 09:46
oiaohm	to be leak proof also means losing things like history.	Jul 29 09:46
oiaohm	So a true private browser.	Jul 29 09:47
MinceR	little things nobody would miss? :>	Jul 29 09:47
oiaohm	MinceR: people who used single log-on would be hit as well opening multi tabs	Jul 29 09:47
oiaohm	MinceR: its like the hell trying to implement copy paste securely.	Jul 29 09:49
MinceR	add to that that no sandbox is perfect	Jul 29 09:49
oiaohm	When it comes to memory tracking and its not hacked that is something sandboxs can do.	Jul 29 09:50
cubexyz	I think you can even turn of the memory cache	Jul 29 09:50
oiaohm	If you were asking me to make a system that you cannot break out of the sandbox and hack the system that is kinda impossible.	Jul 29 09:50
cubexyz	off	Jul 29 09:50
cubexyz	sure it's possible... read-only OS	Jul 29 09:51
cubexyz	you can't alter it :)	Jul 29 09:51
MinceR	you could unplug everything, remove all batteries, encase the computer in a metal box without holes, then encase that in a big block of concrete	Jul 29 09:52
MinceR	then you'd finally have a secure system	Jul 29 09:52
oiaohm	cubexyz: you would have missed this one canvas.image.cache.limit	Jul 29 09:54
msb_	If the OS limited the amount of cpu that ff could use, then every time ff slowed down I'd have to figure out if it was being limited or if my connection had slowed down. My way, one glance at sysmon tells me.	Jul 29 09:54
oiaohm	cubexyz: that limit that is normally set 0 that is unlimited is the number of page images firefox can store.	Jul 29 09:54
oiaohm	cubexyz: in megs	Jul 29 09:54
oiaohm	Some of firefox default settings are evil.	Jul 29 09:55
cubexyz	I don't see taht	Jul 29 09:55
cubexyz	I see image.cache.size	Jul 29 09:55
cubexyz	and it's value is 5242880	Jul 29 09:56
msb_	I would rather have more readouts, scopes meters on my machines	Jul 29 09:56
msb_	and control them manually.	Jul 29 09:56
cubexyz	isn't there a way to limit a process from using 100% of cpu?	Jul 29 09:57
msb_	I would never fly in an airliner with one-button avionics.	Jul 29 09:57
cubexyz	nice it or something	Jul 29 09:58
oiaohm	cubexyz: to prevent a process taking 100% cpu place in a cgroup and set limit.	Jul 29 09:58
oiaohm	cubexyz: that is for Linux and solaris is use zones. BSd is use jails.	Jul 29 09:58
msb_	I do nice FF when I'm recording avi from TV or watching x265.	Jul 29 09:58
msb_	I'm driving an old jalopy but I like it!	Jul 29 09:59
msb_	Maybe when devuan is ready for primetime I'll spend a grand and build an 8-core AMD box.	Jul 29 10:00
cubexyz	I thought you had that already	Jul 29 10:00
msb_	Nope. That's what I was recommending for you. AMD FX8350	Jul 29 10:01
oiaohm	msb_: nice on chrome would not have worked. And will not in future on Linux.	Jul 29 10:01
oiaohm	Nice is a per linux kernel define of a PID applied value.	Jul 29 10:01
msb_	Because you can't play x265s, maybe not even big x264s	Jul 29 10:01
oiaohm	So something opens up 10000 thread it gets the nice value times 10000	Jul 29 10:02
msb_	I can, it just requires nicing.	Jul 29 10:02
oiaohm	msb_: nice is applied per thread.	Jul 29 10:02
oiaohm	cgroup is applied per bundle of processes.	Jul 29 10:02
oiaohm	That is under Linux	Jul 29 10:03
cubexyz	if ff uses 100% cpu for more than 60 seconds kill it	Jul 29 10:03
cubexyz	is there a way to do that?	Jul 29 10:03
msb_	It doesn't use 100%, more like 90%.	Jul 29 10:03
msb_	And I want to decide when to kill it.	Jul 29 10:03
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cubexyz	I know, I shall write a new program that does it... and it will be called systemd!	Jul 29 10:03
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cubexyz	j/k	Jul 29 10:04
msb_	That will kill everything!	Jul 29 10:04
cubexyz	too much kill	Jul 29 10:04
MinceR	kill kill kill kill	Jul 29 10:05
msb_	Kill for the love of killing! Kill for the love of Kali Linux!	Jul 29 10:05
cubexyz	real time operating systems don't freeze up	Jul 29 10:05
cubexyz	your system stays responsive	Jul 29 10:05
MinceR	there are RT patches for Linux	Jul 29 10:06
cubexyz	is there a distro for lazy people? :)	Jul 29 10:06
MinceR	if there is, i haven't found it yet	Jul 29 10:06
cubexyz	there's ChronOS Linux	Jul 29 10:06
cubexyz	not sure if that's a complete distro though	Jul 29 10:07
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msb_	My system stays responsive. The only time it didn't was when it got caught up in the KDE4 semantic analyzer. I had to make it non-executable.	Jul 29 10:09
msb_	Maybe it was trying to semantically analyze audios and videos. 8^)	Jul 29 10:11
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Today in Techrights http://t.co/0chrMDmuU7	Jul 29 13:26
TweetTuxMachines	retweeted by (www.tuxmachines.org)	Jul 29 13:26
TweetTuxMachines	@schestowitz	Jul 29 13:26
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/nano9	Jul 29 13:26
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org \| Today in Techrights \| Tux Machines		Jul 29 13:26
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Snappy Ubuntu Core 15.04 Gets a Second Stable	Jul 29 13:26
TweetTuxMachines	Release http://t.co/beYRv4whzM	Jul 29 13:26
TweetTuxMachines	(news.softpedia.com)	Jul 29 13:26
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-news.softpedia.com \| Snappy Ubuntu Core 15.04 Gets a Second Stable Release - Softpedia		Jul 29 13:26
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/naoqz	Jul 29 13:26
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines NVidia's Tegra X1 does well on Linux	Jul 29 13:26
TweetTuxMachines	http://t.co/1W5xAkjwyD (www.tuxmachines.org)	Jul 29 13:26
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/naor0	Jul 29 13:26
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org \| NVidia's Tegra X1 does well on Linux \| Tux Machines		Jul 29 13:26
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Snappy Ubuntu Core 15.04 Gets a Second Stable	Jul 29 13:26
TweetTuxMachines	Release http://t.co/tKKgciKsSU	Jul 29 13:26
TweetTuxMachines	(www.tuxmachines.org)	Jul 29 13:26
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Remix Mini Is the First Android PC, Runs	Jul 29 13:26
TweetTuxMachines	Lollipop-Based Remix OS http://t.co/Rrm4ErtP3A	Jul 29 13:26
TweetTuxMachines	(www.tuxmachines.org)	Jul 29 13:26
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/naor2	Jul 29 13:26
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines The AMD Radeon R9 Fury Is Currently A Disaster	Jul 29 14:32
TweetTuxMachines	On Linux http://t.co/RTYzefjxjT	Jul 29 14:32
TweetTuxMachines	(www.tuxmachines.org)	Jul 29 14:32
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org \| The AMD Radeon R9 Fury Is Currently A Disaster On Linux \| Tux Machines		Jul 29 14:32
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/napkd	Jul 29 14:32
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Battle of the sub-$450 Android phones: ZTE Axon	Jul 29 14:32
TweetTuxMachines	vs OnePlus 2 vs Moto X Style	Jul 29 14:32
TweetTuxMachines	http://t.co/Kxx7Zpbzuh (www.tuxmachines.org)	Jul 29 14:32
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/napkn	Jul 29 14:32
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org \| Battle of the sub-$450 Android phones: ZTE Axon vs OnePlus 2 vs Moto X Style \| Tux Machines		Jul 29 14:32
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines OpenDaylight dawn: Open-source software defined	Jul 29 14:32
TweetTuxMachines	networking goes into production	Jul 29 14:32
TweetTuxMachines	http://t.co/OOBDqDTp5M (www.tuxmachines.org)	Jul 29 14:32
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/napks	Jul 29 14:32
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schestowitz	https://joindiaspora.com/posts/6401633	Jul 29 15:02
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: This week I saw an idiot in the jacuzzi who brought his phone with him (powerful phone) to take selfies. I hope he wins Darwin Award.		Jul 29 15:02
schestowitz	"I really dislike selfies, but I think dropping a phone into a bathtub would be harmless for people."	Jul 29 15:02
schestowitz	not just to the user, but others around the user.... in this case.	Jul 29 15:03
schestowitz	https://joindiaspora.com/posts/6400102	Jul 29 15:03
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: To understand why poaching #CecilTheLion is big deal in #Zimbabwe imagine media reaction in US if Zimbabwean in US murdered Trump for 'fun'		Jul 29 15:03
schestowitz	"I can bet many people would not mind at all."	Jul 29 15:03
schestowitz	Corporate media would moan	Jul 29 15:03
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schestowitz	https://joindiaspora.com/posts/6399886	Jul 29 15:05
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: #Ubuntu Software Center Is Really Hated by the Community, but Why? http://news.softpedia.com/news/ubuntu-software-center-is-really-hated-by-community-but-why-487990.shtml well-documented controversy		Jul 29 15:05
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights--> news.softpedia.com \| Ubuntu Software Center Is Really Hated by the Community, but Why? - Softpedia [ http://ur1.ca/napxj ]		Jul 29 15:05
schestowitz	"Yeah, I never use it either. It is resource intensive and full of advertising. I like the Lubuntu Software Center better, but usually just use APT from the command line."	Jul 29 15:05
schestowitz	"Web search plus apt means I know what I’m getting into. Software centers? It’s hard for them to be as good."	Jul 29 15:05
schestowitz	https://joindiaspora.com/posts/6400465	Jul 29 15:06
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: My wife is extremely distraught over #CecilTheLion (a lot more than me).It's only now I realise media refusing to cover it caused ignorance.		Jul 29 15:06
schestowitz	"I remember a post titled “Killing a lion is the most cowardly thing you can do.”"	Jul 29 15:06
schestowitz	"I saw that too. But plenty of stuff on Diaspora* isn’t covered by the mainstream media."	Jul 29 15:07
schestowitz	I remember that one...	Jul 29 15:07
schestowitz	https://joindiaspora.com/posts/6400554	Jul 29 15:08
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: Poaching is a rich people's 'sport'. Only psychopaths can sleep well at night after doing that. In the #uk watch who does #foxHunting		Jul 29 15:08
schestowitz	"originally, hunting was a way for peasants to sustain themselves, before the enclosure movement made all land into property, declared wild hunting illegal, which drove the peasants into the cities as cheap workforce for the new industrial factories"	Jul 29 15:08
schestowitz	https://joindiaspora.com/posts/6400371	Jul 29 15:12
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: So if you 'upgrade' (for 'free') to #vista10 you lose access to 'free' Solitaire, which now spies on you (for ads) http://www.zdnet.com/article/want-to-remove-the-ads-from-solitaire-in-windows-10-thatll-be-1-49-a-month/		Jul 29 15:12
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights--> www.zdnet.com \| Want to remove the ads from Solitaire in Windows 10? That'll be $1.49 a month \| ZDNet [ http://ur1.ca/na8zt ]		Jul 29 15:12
schestowitz	"	Jul 29 15:12
schestowitz	http://sourceforge.net/projects/pysolfc/	Jul 29 15:12
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-sourceforge.net \| PySolFC download \| SourceForge.net		Jul 29 15:12
schestowitz	I’m seriiously having concerns about the sanity of Microsoft users - in so far as total ignorance isn’t the explanation.	Jul 29 15:12
schestowitz	"	Jul 29 15:12
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abeNd-org	cant say i have ever actually played any of those included windows games, except that pinball they had in win98	Jul 29 15:21
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Ubuntu Touch Finally Gets a Regression Fix for	Jul 29 15:56
TweetTuxMachines	Nexus 4 and Aquaris Phones	Jul 29 15:56
TweetTuxMachines	http://t.co/C4eX66J2uG (www.tuxmachines.org)	Jul 29 15:56
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/naqif	Jul 29 15:56
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org \| Ubuntu Touch Finally Gets a Regression Fix for Nexus 4 and Aquaris Phones \| Tux Machines		Jul 29 15:56
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines The road to LibreOffice 5.0	Jul 29 15:56
TweetTuxMachines	http://t.co/2q0G6HfV5I (www.tuxmachines.org)	Jul 29 15:56
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/naqig	Jul 29 15:56
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org \| The road to LibreOffice 5.0 \| Tux Machines		Jul 29 15:56
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schestowitz	https://joindiaspora.com/posts/6399555	Jul 29 16:22
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: Dice: "The Company… has not successfully leveraged the #Slashdot user base." http://arstechnica.com/information-technology/2015/07/dhi-group-plans-to-sell-off-slashdot-and-sourceforge/ leveraged?!		Jul 29 16:22
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights--> arstechnica.com \| DHI Group plans to sell off Slashdot and Sourceforge \| Ars Technica [ http://ur1.ca/nai44 ]		Jul 29 16:22
schestowitz	"I’ll give a try to Soylent news before being leveraged."	Jul 29 16:22
schestowitz	Leveraged and DICED.	Jul 29 16:23
schestowitz	https://joindiaspora.com/posts/6399642	Jul 29 16:23
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: 2009: Tesco Recommends Vista “Due to Endorsement Money Paid to Tesco from Microsoft” http://techrights.org/2009/06/12/tesco-lies-for-ms-cash/ #currys does this too now. #spam		Jul 29 16:23
schestowitz	"I wonder if there is someone that endorses Microsoft for free."	Jul 29 16:23
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights--> techrights.org \| Tesco Recommends Vista “Due to Endorsement Money Paid to Tesco from Microsoft” \| Techrights [ http://ur1.ca/nai87 ]		Jul 29 16:23
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schestowitz	DaemonFC is baaack	Jul 29 16:56
DaemonFC	Yeah. I've been busy.	Jul 29 16:58
schestowitz	that's jono's line	Jul 29 17:00
schestowitz	http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2015/07/29/ferguson-prisoner-beaten-by-cops-has-won-his-appeal.html #police said "destruction of property because he bled on their uniforms"	Jul 29 17:03
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.thedailybeast.com \| Ferguson Prisoner Beaten by Cops Has Won His Appeal - The Daily Beast [ http://ur1.ca/narbm ]		Jul 29 17:03
DaemonFC	Hmm.	Jul 29 17:03
DaemonFC	I just got an update for my Galaxy S6.	Jul 29 17:03
DaemonFC	That's been happening a lot.	Jul 29 17:03
DaemonFC	Good god.	Jul 29 17:05
DaemonFC	"Previous Windows installations: 19.7 GB"	Jul 29 17:05
XRevan86	DaemonFC: On Galaxy S6?	Jul 29 17:05
DaemonFC	No.	Jul 29 17:06
DaemonFC	I just upgraded Windows 8.1 to Windows 10.	Jul 29 17:06
DaemonFC	It also left 3.7 GB of upgrade files behind.	Jul 29 17:06
DaemonFC	Messy. :P	Jul 29 17:06
XRevan86	Oh, Windows 10 user. Good, I mean bad.	Jul 29 17:06
XRevan86	DaemonFC: https://reddit.com/r/Windows10/comments/31rxsv/disable_keylogger_windows_10	Jul 29 17:06
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.reddit.com \| Disable KeyLogger Windows 10 : Windows10 [ http://ur1.ca/narda ]		Jul 29 17:06
XRevan86	can you confirm this?	Jul 29 17:06
XRevan86	on the release version	Jul 29 17:07
XRevan86	Or maybe I was informed wrong and keylogger is not activated in the release.	Jul 29 17:07
DaemonFC	There's an option during setup that asks if you want it to send your typing and voice data to Microsoft to improve the quality of suggestions.	Jul 29 17:07
DaemonFC	I turned that to "off".	Jul 29 17:07
XRevan86	DaemonFC: ah	Jul 29 17:07
DaemonFC	It's kind of creepy that it would be able to do that and asks, and that it defaults to "on".	Jul 29 17:07
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DaemonFC	Probably one of those things where if they get sued later they want to say "It's not our fault that you didn't answer yes or not to 30 questions and used the default options button!".	Jul 29 17:08
XRevan86	DaemonFC: Used must be prepared to never touch the "defaults" button :).	Jul 29 17:10
XRevan86	DaemonFC: Installers of Windows applications do the same.	Jul 29 17:10
XRevan86	"Oh, you wanted to leave defaults? Okay, then get the Comodo browser, the panel for Internet Explorer, a system cleaner and a custom homepage"	Jul 29 17:11
schestowitz	http://www.theregister.co.uk/2014/10/14/windows_10_privacy_controversy_sysadmin_blog/	Jul 29 17:11
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.theregister.co.uk \| Windows 10: Forget Cloudobile, put Security and Privacy First • The Register [ http://ur1.ca/narfi ]		Jul 29 17:11
schestowitz	http://thenextweb.com/microsoft/2015/07/29/wind-nos/	Jul 29 17:11
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-thenextweb.com \| Windows 10? Here are privacy issues you should consider [ http://ur1.ca/narfn ]		Jul 29 17:11
schestowitz	https://edri.org/microsofts-new-small-print-how-your-personal-data-abused/	Jul 29 17:11
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-SSL connect error ( status 0 @ https://edri.org/microsofts-new-small-print-how-your-personal-data-abused/ )		Jul 29 17:11
schestowitz	https://plus.google.com/+JohnMcKenzie/posts/KFG3PWHrYHu	Jul 29 17:12
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-plus.google.com \| Just remember folks - upgrading to Windows 10 - Asimov/CEIP/WER (MS' real time… [ http://ur1.ca/nakpj ]		Jul 29 17:12
schestowitz	http://techrights.org/wiki/index.php/Vista_10_Reality_Log http://techrights.org/wiki/index.php/Microsoft_and_the_NSA	Jul 29 17:12
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org \| Vista 10 Reality Log - Techrights [ http://ur1.ca/nadnk ]		Jul 29 17:12
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org \| Microsoft and the NSA - Techrights [ http://ur1.ca/g1zod ]		Jul 29 17:12
schestowitz	"By default, when signing into Windows with a Microsoft account, Windows syncs some of your settings and data with Microsoft servers, for example “web browser history, favorites, and websites you have open” as well as “saved app, website, mobile hotspot, and Wi-Fi network names and passwords”. Users can however deactivate this transfer to the Microsoft servers by changing their settings."	Jul 29 17:13
schestowitz	"The problem is that both Microsoft and the US government have lost the trust of the general populace. Discovering borderline technologies incorporated into Windows 10's technical preview (like the built-in keylogger of ultimate controversy) simply serves as a catalyst for concerned citizens to ask the questions that have been bothering them for some time."	Jul 29 17:13
schestowitz	"Sign into Windows with your Microsoft account and the operating system immediately syncs settings and data to the company’s servers. That includes your browser history, favorites and the websites you currently have open as well as saved app, website and mobile hotspot passwords and Wi-Fi network names and passwords."	Jul 29 17:13
schestowitz	Sounds like the NSA will be happy	Jul 29 17:13
schestowitz	got all your passwords	Jul 29 17:13
schestowitz	MS doesn't even try to PRETEND to care about privacy	Jul 29 17:13
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schestowitz	just lip services for summies	Jul 29 17:14
schestowitz	*dummies	Jul 29 17:14
schestowitz	who don't read EULA, news, etc.	Jul 29 17:14
schestowitz	thankfully many CIOs/CTOs might	Jul 29 17:14
schestowitz	and I don't foresee govs adopting this cra	Jul 29 17:14
schestowitz	they'll consider gnu/linux	Jul 29 17:14
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schestowitz	I'm being trolled by FOUR 'security' developers from Microsoft today	Jul 29 17:15
schestowitz	they don't respond with any substance	Jul 29 17:15
schestowitz	just ad hominem against me and others	Jul 29 17:15
schestowitz	which says a lot...	Jul 29 17:15
MinceR	they don't have anything else to do	Jul 29 17:15
MinceR	they're "security" "developers" at m$, after all	Jul 29 17:15
schestowitz	"Stolen's a strong word. it's copyrighted content that the owner wasn't paid for."ill Gates, June 2006	Jul 29 17:16
schestowitz	Bill who watches copyrighted movies on youtube	Jul 29 17:16
schestowitz	and publicly admitted to it	Jul 29 17:16
MinceR	lol	Jul 29 17:16
schestowitz	"David Smith commented that Gartner will not bash MS if MS chooses to slip Vista."	Jul 29 17:17
MinceR	the tune changes when bill believes he was slighted	Jul 29 17:17
schestowitz	Jamin Spilzer, Microsoft	Jul 29 17:17
MinceR	the biggest criminals have the right to do anything	Jul 29 17:17
MinceR	and the slaves get to give everything they have	Jul 29 17:17
schestowitz	-rw-r--r--. 1 root root 165960713 Jul 29 14:19 techrights.org-access_log	Jul 29 17:19
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schestowitz	[root@techrights httpd]#	Jul 29 17:19
schestowitz	At this pace, we might have the busiest week perhaps ever...	Jul 29 17:19
schestowitz	or in recent years	Jul 29 17:20
schestowitz	3.5 days at the back end heading towards 330mb	Jul 29 17:20
schestowitz	the cache server does the vast majority, at around 1.6 GB/hour	Jul 29 17:20
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schestowitz	I think MS is getting a bad reputation	Jul 29 17:21
schestowitz	and I think they know they lose the battle over minds	Jul 29 17:21
schestowitz	which is why they lay off and lose money	Jul 29 17:21
schestowitz	they pay twitter now to promote their garbage	Jul 29 17:21
schestowitz	but people push back with rants about vista 10	Jul 29 17:21
abeNd-org	only end user rants i have heard so far have been people with 1366x768 screens, UI issues	Jul 29 17:23
DaemonFC	I don't really like the new start menu.	Jul 29 17:25
DaemonFC	It's still way too pushy about wanting you to run "Modern" apps.	Jul 29 17:25
MinceR	i'm not m$'s or crApple's or redcrap's target audience	Jul 29 17:25
MinceR	they design their products for idiots	Jul 29 17:26
abeNd-org	as a consultant that has to support ms (as well as linux/mac/mobile devices/etc) id sure like to see all the windows boxes moved to win10, at least it would be one platform to support	Jul 29 17:28
schestowitz	but it's not best for you	Jul 29 17:29
schestowitz	broken windows theory	Jul 29 17:29
schestowitz	if there's more work to do, you might get more work. That's what windows can be "good" for...	Jul 29 17:29
schestowitz	"job creation" through "broken windows" economy	Jul 29 17:30
MinceR	until you lose that work because general purpose computers were outlawed and replaced by telescreens where you can do nothing locally	Jul 29 17:30
MinceR	and the server side is in the techno-fascists' hands	Jul 29 17:31
abeNd-org	id rather support just 10 rather than 2000/xp/7/8/81 (none of the hundreds of customers has vista)	Jul 29 17:31
MinceR	breaking the world for someone else's benefit, like redcrap is doing	Jul 29 17:31
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XRevan86	abeNd-org: But Windows 7 and "newer" are pretty much the same.	Jul 29 17:31
abeNd-org	the OS itself I dont mind, some of the weird cruft that goes along with it like https://edri.org/microsofts-new-small-print-how-your-personal-data-abused/ is needless	Jul 29 17:31
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DaemonFC	Well, that was a crash.	Jul 29 17:33
abeNd-org	XRevan86: kinda sorta, but with 7pro you dont get bitlocker, 8pro you do, 10pro you do, so id like everyone on 10pro (or enterprise if they have the licensing). those that can use linux do, but with the business apps thats far & few between. plenty of linux server side though	Jul 29 17:33
DaemonFC	I went to uninstall something that had a helper in Windows Explorer, and it brought down the shell.	Jul 29 17:33
XRevan86	abeNd-org: Is there anyone who uses BitLocker?	Jul 29 17:33
abeNd-org	XRevan86: we have a good amount of clients that have machines with TPM & use bitlocker, it isnt 100% foolproof, but still better than letting users run with bare laptop drives	Jul 29 17:34
XRevan86	There are LibreCrypt, CipherShed, VeraCrypt	Jul 29 17:35
XRevan86	Why would anybody want to use BitLocker?	Jul 29 17:35
MinceR	and vista and vista7 are also pretty much the same	Jul 29 17:35
MinceR	except in marketing, of course	Jul 29 17:35
MinceR	XRevan86: because they don't know anything about security and believe the hype about Treacherous Computing	Jul 29 17:36
abeNd-org	XRevan86: because it can be controlled via gpo (easier management than most other alternatives), & it is built in. those alternatives are fine for individuals, but when you are trying to manage it on multiple computers it doesnt scale well	Jul 29 17:36
MinceR	or they might also believe the hype about storage devices that allegedly encrypt themselves and use those instead	Jul 29 17:36
MinceR	backdoors in windows, backdoors in the TPM, backdoors in the storage device	Jul 29 17:37
abeNd-org	backdoors into everything, but still better than bare	Jul 29 17:37
MinceR	most users are ignorant of Kerckhoffs's principle	Jul 29 17:37
DaemonFC	I actually gained a few GB of free space on my SSD compared with Windows 8 after that.	Jul 29 17:37
DaemonFC	Microsoft uses NTFS file and folder compression on some Windows files now.	Jul 29 17:37
MinceR	so they accept these kinds of untrustworthy snake oil	Jul 29 17:37
msb__	MinceR: YOU WILL LOVE TELESCREEN	Jul 29 17:39
MinceR	well, if i get the right drugs and conditioning, i probably will	Jul 29 17:39
MinceR	but i will probably die before that works	Jul 29 17:39
DaemonFC	It installed an app called "Get Microsoft Office". I removed it with the add/remove programs applet. :P	Jul 29 17:41
DaemonFC	I already have LibreOffice installed on the computer and it doesn't cost several hundred dollars.	Jul 29 17:42
MinceR	lol	Jul 29 17:42
MinceR	such a useful piece of software, "Get Microsoft Office"	Jul 29 17:42
MinceR	to "get" an application, you must first have another application so you can "get" it with that	Jul 29 17:43
MinceR	i await the announcement of the "Get Get Microsoft Office" application with bated breath	Jul 29 17:43
DaemonFC	MinceR, What it does is it either takes you to a site where you can buy it and then downloads and install it, or you can type in the license key from a card that you bought at Walmart or somewhere, and then it downloads and installs it.	Jul 29 17:45
abeNd-org	cripes im getting these google business listing calls almost daily now	Jul 29 17:45
abeNd-org	i cant get these buggers to stop calling me	Jul 29 17:46
MinceR	DaemonFC: you totally need an application for that	Jul 29 17:46
MinceR	and of course, to install "Get Get Microsoft Office", i will first need to install "Get Get Get Microsoft Office"	Jul 29 17:48
XRevan86	"Oracle Get OpenOffice"	Jul 29 17:48
abeNd-org	libreoffice5 is sounding promising, it is supposed to have much better filters for opening msoffice docx type formats?	Jul 29 17:49
abeNd-org	i think that is the main issue a business would have when using libreoffice vs msoffice, document formatting gets butchered	Jul 29 17:49
MinceR	that's a losing battle	Jul 29 17:50
MinceR	m$ will just keep changing the format	Jul 29 17:50
MinceR	also, the whole paradigm is broken	Jul 29 17:50
DaemonFC	Apparently, one command in the Mac OS terminal app gets you added to the sudoers file without needing a password. :)	Jul 29 17:55
DaemonFC	In OS X 10.10.	Jul 29 17:55
DaemonFC	It bypasses the "system file protection" feature, and even enables sudo rm -rf /	Jul 29 17:55
abeNd-org	DaemonFC: & i love how the apple users are such "apple products are perfect & have no security issues" zealots, even these days	Jul 29 17:56
MinceR	yeah, that's crApple "security" for you	Jul 29 17:56
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DaemonFC	http://www.theregister.co.uk/2015/07/22/os_x_root_hole/	Jul 29 18:01
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.theregister.co.uk \| Get root on an OS X 10.10 Mac: The exploit is so trivial it fits in a tweet • The Register [ http://ur1.ca/n7k00 ]		Jul 29 18:01
DaemonFC	Ryan Farmer	Jul 29 18:07
DaemonFC	Just now ·	Jul 29 18:07
DaemonFC	Apparently, Apple may have failed to realize the security implications of allowing arbitrary files to be written to for "debugging" purposes (derp!) and they may have even accidentally fixed it in the 10.11 beta as part of a code cleanup, having never realized the security problem they introduced into 10.10 in the first place.	Jul 29 18:07
DaemonFC	Programmers this stupid should never have been allowed to graduate from community college. Where do they get these people?	Jul 29 18:07
DaemonFC	https://www.sektioneins.de/en/blog/15-07-07-dyld_print_to_file_lpe.html	Jul 29 18:07
DaemonFC	"When Apple changed the dynamic linker code for OS X 10.10 to support the new DYLD_PRINT_TO_FILE environment variable they added the following code directly to the _main function of dyld. As you can see from this code the value of the environment variable is directly used as filename for the opened or created logging file.	Jul 29 18:07
DaemonFC	The problem with this code is that it does not come with any safeguards that are required when adding new environment variables to the dynamic linker. Normally for security reasons the dynamic linker should reject all environvent variables passed to it in case of restricted files. This is automatically handled when new environment variables are added to the processDyldEnvironmentVariable() function. However in the DYLD_PRINT_TO_FILE case	Jul 29 18:07
DaemonFC	the code was directly added to the _main function of dyld.	Jul 29 18:07
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.sektioneins.de \| OS X 10.10 DYLD_PRINT_TO_FILE Local Privilege Escalation Vulnerability \| SektionEins GmbH [ http://ur1.ca/nas4h ]		Jul 29 18:07
DaemonFC	Because of this oversight dyld will accept DYLD_PRINT_TO_FILE even for restricted binaries, like SUID root binaries. This is obviously a problem, because it allows the creation or opening (for writing) of any file in the filesystem. And because the log file is never closed by dyld and the file is not openes with the close on exec flag the opened file descriptor is inherited by child processes of SUID binaries. This can be easily exploited	Jul 29 18:07
DaemonFC	for privilege escalation.	Jul 29 18:07
DaemonFC	Apple has fixed this vulnerability in the OS X 10.11 beta by moving the code for the DYLD_PRINT_TO_FILE (and another new environment variable) to the processDyldEnvironmentVariable() function, which automatically protects them. This might however be the result of a code cleanup and not based on realizing the security implications. However if this is the result of a security fix then Apple has once again shown how unsupported their current	Jul 29 18:07
DaemonFC	versions become the moment a new beta is in development."	Jul 29 18:07
MinceR	https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9YuNpOYfasA	Jul 29 18:15
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.youtube.com \| Thought he played it off well - YouTube [ http://ur1.ca/nas8n ]		Jul 29 18:15
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DaemonFC	J. R. Bob Dobbs (formerly ZOMG Pink Ponies) says:	Jul 29 18:20
DaemonFC	The only people more bonehead stupid than the people writing Apple software are the people using it.	Jul 29 18:20
abeNd-org	were starting to get more customers that love apple	Jul 29 18:22
abeNd-org	you can Active directory integrate them, but most of them don't want to, so you have to jump through so many extra hoops to support them, manually map printers, manually map drives, manually install applications, & of course the osx password is usually blank, or the user forgot what they set it to	Jul 29 18:23
abeNd-org	i really dislike working with osx in the enterprise	Jul 29 18:23
abeNd-org	there are some 3rd party addons that could possibly make it bareable, but they arent cheap, so customers don't want them.	Jul 29 18:24
MinceR	AD is horribly crap, too	Jul 29 18:27
MinceR	i had that POS forget my password	Jul 29 18:27
schestowitz	https://twitter.com/freedomgirl2011/status/626506598148632576	Jul 29 18:27
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@freedomgirl2011: The #SamDubose police report is full of falsehoods from Ray Tensing's colleagues: http://t.co/oGQBQSnFar @OccupyTheBronx @schestowitz #OWS		Jul 29 18:27
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights--> www.slate.com \| The Sam Dubose police report is full of falsehoods from Ray Tensing's colleagues.		Jul 29 18:27
DaemonFC	Sounds like the "forgotten password" isn't a problem. Just use the "feature" that allows you to write to files you don't have permission to access, and add yourself as a sudoer, and then run sudo passwd <user> <new password>. B-)	Jul 29 18:28
MinceR	it was on winblows though	Jul 29 18:28
MinceR	and on systems i had no access to	Jul 29 18:28
MinceR	(nor did i have interest in gaining access to them)	Jul 29 18:28
abeNd-org	MinceR: cant say ive ever had a well maintained AD or eDirectory install have issues with passwords, but i have seen horribly maintained eDir & AD setups have many problems	Jul 29 18:28
MinceR	i don't know if it was well maintained	Jul 29 18:29
MinceR	i don't know if it is even possible to maintain well	Jul 29 18:29
abeNd-org	most arent	Jul 29 18:29
abeNd-org	there are powershell scripts to run for maintenance, or in edir's case linux scripts of your choice	Jul 29 18:29
abeNd-org	especially easy to muck it up if you have multiple locations & don't bother doing any setup beyond the default	Jul 29 18:30
abeNd-org	they give you just enough rope to set up the basics, & then hang yourself if you dont do anything further	Jul 29 18:31
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Carrier adds Arduino and MCU hooks to Zynq	Jul 29 18:31
TweetTuxMachines	ARM/FPGA COM http://t.co/Eq7jeiJhJ7	Jul 29 18:31
TweetTuxMachines	(www.tuxmachines.org)	Jul 29 18:31
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/nasg6	Jul 29 18:31
MinceR	:>	Jul 29 18:31
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org \| Carrier adds Arduino and MCU hooks to Zynq ARM/FPGA COM \| Tux Machines		Jul 29 18:31
DaemonFC	The thing about trying to run scripts in Mac OS is that they're using an ancient version of bash that has lots of known bugs, and is missing features that allow you to write shorter scripts that do the same function, so you have to rewrite your scripts to make them work on OS X, you have to avoid using any feature added to bash in the last 8 years, and you have to know about several dozen bugs in the features their does support that have	Jul 29 18:32
DaemonFC	subsequently been patched on Linux, because you could try to do something perfectly legal and have unintended consequences on Mac. :)	Jul 29 18:32
abeNd-org	no clue about running scripts on mac, i try not to work on them, but even though i am the biggest apple hater in the office, I seem to keep getting the tickets to work on them	Jul 29 18:32
abeNd-org	we even sent some people to official apple training in NYC, but do they get the tickets...nooo, i do...	Jul 29 18:34
MinceR	probably out of spite	Jul 29 18:34
DaemonFC	I'm lucky that anyone who brings me an Apple computer is going to leave with the advice "Sell it for whatever you can get and buy a device that works.".	Jul 29 18:34
MinceR	good advice, though it's getting harder to find a device that works	Jul 29 18:36
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Will an upgrade to Windows 10 on a dual-boot	Jul 29 18:36
TweetTuxMachines	system mess GRUB up? http://t.co/Tk2UIsuijA	Jul 29 18:36
TweetTuxMachines	(www.tuxmachines.org)	Jul 29 18:36
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org \| Will an upgrade to Windows 10 on a dual-boot system mess GRUB up? \| Tux Machines		Jul 29 18:36
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/nasit	Jul 29 18:36
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines An Everyday Linux User Review Of Android x86 -	Jul 29 18:36
TweetTuxMachines	Release 4.4 r3 http://t.co/RTnYhjq99d	Jul 29 18:36
TweetTuxMachines	(www.tuxmachines.org)	Jul 29 18:36
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org \| An Everyday Linux User Review Of Android x86 - Release 4.4 r3 \| Tux Machines		Jul 29 18:36
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/nasiu	Jul 29 18:36
abeNd-org	anyways, time to go play in traffic	Jul 29 18:39
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DaemonFC	MinceR, My new Galaxy S6 has been a fairly pleasant experience.	Jul 29 18:40
DaemonFC	The new firmware update seems to have enabled faster LTE support.	Jul 29 18:40
MinceR	that's nice, considering that the S6 is probably the worst phone in the S series	Jul 29 18:40
DaemonFC	How so?	Jul 29 18:45
DaemonFC	Yeah, it has an integrated battery and no SD card support.	Jul 29 18:46
DaemonFC	Then again, that was already true with my LG G2.	Jul 29 18:46
MinceR	they gave up the removable battery and the memory card slot for the sake of a pointless, impractical, fragile fingerprint collector as the back	Jul 29 18:47
DaemonFC	I never really noticed or cared. With a phone, most of the stuff you do involves apps and pushes the actual computing to another computer somewhere over the internet.	Jul 29 18:47
MinceR	and a frame that blocks radiowaves, in a device where the main point is allegedly communicating via radiowaves	Jul 29 18:47
DaemonFC	So, with the way this model works, you have an optimal amount of storage and then you reach a point of diminishing returns.	Jul 29 18:47
MinceR	all this to satisfy the hordes of the crying iDiots who wouldn't buy it anyway because it doesn't have the crApple logo on it	Jul 29 18:48
DaemonFC	On the Apple side though, the apps anre firmware are way bigger, so having a phone with only 16 GB of local storage isn't even funny anymore.	Jul 29 18:48
MinceR	what's worse, apparently they'll fuck up the note series in the same way	Jul 29 18:48
MinceR	also, LG fixed that in the G3	Jul 29 18:49
MinceR	and kept it that way in the G4	Jul 29 18:49
DaemonFC	Yeah. I was looking at the LG G4.	Jul 29 18:50
MinceR	so was i	Jul 29 18:50
DaemonFC	The better processor on the S6 was what ended up deciding that one for me.	Jul 29 18:50
MinceR	but i'm hoping they'll add a usb-c port in the G5	Jul 29 18:50
MinceR	or something	Jul 29 18:50
MinceR	so it will be a better replacement for my note II LTE, for which i have a Smart Dock	Jul 29 18:51
DaemonFC	Some of these apps are pretty slow. It's probably an issue of developers not optimizing them. Still, having a faster processor that can offload background tasks onto additional cores can only help things.	Jul 29 18:51
DaemonFC	MinceR, I compared some basic apps between the installed size on Android 5.x and on iOS, and the iOS ones were sometimes three times bigger.	Jul 29 18:52
DaemonFC	So, it's pretty clear that the first thing the base model iPhone is going to do is run out of storage and tell you that you have to delete a bunch of your stuff if you want to continue.	Jul 29 18:52
DaemonFC	Hmm. I found some change in the couch. Beer money.	Jul 29 19:37
DaemonFC	Okay, bad beer, but even bad beer is beer.	Jul 29 19:38
schestowitz	http://www.zdnet.com/article/telstra-discovers-pacnet-security-breach-after-takeover/#!	Jul 29 19:50
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.zdnet.com \| Telstra discovers Pacnet security breach after takeover \| ZDNet [ http://ur1.ca/natdv ]		Jul 29 19:50
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schestowitz	https://twitter.com/Morality124/status/626557907778318336	Jul 29 21:02
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@Morality124: @schestowitz Have they name-dropped the branded bugs yet?		Jul 29 21:02
schestowitz	not yet	Jul 29 21:02
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DaemonFC	Well, I stumbled onto a bug in Firefox that happens when it's running on Windows 10.	Jul 29 21:32
DaemonFC	Sometimes the window goes totally black with just the titlebar and the window controls visible.	Jul 29 21:32
MinceR	i wonder why such a bug would exist	Jul 29 21:32
DaemonFC	Seems that you have to minimize it and then restore it to make the page visible again.	Jul 29 21:32
MinceR	cough https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/AARD_code cough	Jul 29 21:33
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-en.wikipedia.org \| AARD code - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia		Jul 29 21:33
DaemonFC	Seems to happen most often on Facebook.	Jul 29 21:35
DaemonFC	The Edge browser is unbelievably shitty.	Jul 29 21:35
DaemonFC	Internet Explorer was better.	Jul 29 21:35
DaemonFC	Edge - No add-on support, they removed Tracking Protection Lists, the right click menu has three entries. "Select all", "Inspect element", and "View source". No back option.	Jul 29 21:37
MinceR	it's just a new name for ie	Jul 29 21:37
DaemonFC	I'm constantly moving back and forward with the right click menu in Firefox.	Jul 29 21:37
DaemonFC	No, it's not just IE. IE was better.	Jul 29 21:37
MinceR	alt+left and alt+right might help :>	Jul 29 21:37
MinceR	or the extra mouse button	Jul 29 21:37
MinceR	consider how averse m$ is to spending resources on developing software	Jul 29 21:38
MinceR	they much prefer to spend it on lawyers, ads and bribes	Jul 29 21:38
MinceR	to them, the obvious thing to do is to rebrand something, rearrange the deck chairs and claim it's a totally new product	Jul 29 21:39
MinceR	they've done it before and they'll do it again	Jul 29 21:39
DaemonFC	http://www.winbeta.org/news/norton-antivirus-doesnt-want-you-use-microsoft-edge-because-it-currently-lacks-extensions	Jul 29 21:39
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.winbeta.org \| Norton Antivirus doesn't want you to use Microsoft Edge because it currently lacks extensions [ http://ur1.ca/naul9 ]		Jul 29 21:39
DaemonFC	Well, there's a plus. It won't load the Norton BloatBar.	Jul 29 21:40
DaemonFC	:)	Jul 29 21:40
MinceR	that's fine i don't want to use anything from symantec or microsoft	Jul 29 21:40
MinceR	s/ne/&,/	Jul 29 21:40
MinceR	symantec used to love m$ so much	Jul 29 21:40
MinceR	they even spread lies and FUD on hungarian radio	Jul 29 21:40
MinceR	to support winblows	Jul 29 21:41
MinceR	and attack gnu/linux	Jul 29 21:41
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cubexyz	Microsoft was bad right from the very beginning	Jul 29 21:50
MinceR	indeed	Jul 29 21:50
cubexyz	Gates stole PDP-10 computer time to write the initial BAIC interpreter	Jul 29 21:50
cubexyz	BASIC	Jul 29 21:50
MinceR	and even that sucked	Jul 29 21:50
MinceR	altair had to patch it	Jul 29 21:50
cubexyz	what was wrong with it?	Jul 29 21:59
cubexyz	one of the early Microsoft programmers Monte Davidoff was interviewed in 2001	Jul 29 22:02
cubexyz	and he was using Redhat 6.1 at the time	Jul 29 22:02
cubexyz	he said Stallman's contribution to software was "enormous"	Jul 29 22:03
MinceR	it was full of bugs, afaik	Jul 29 22:05
MinceR	redhat used to be benign	Jul 29 22:05
MinceR	but they've turned into yet another m$ wannabe	Jul 29 22:06
MinceR	(as if we didn't have enough of those already)	Jul 29 22:06
DaemonFC	I don't think that's fair.	Jul 29 22:06
oiaohm	Redhat is still fairly benign. Only reason why systemd got as far as it has was not really redhat presume it was simple lack of quality comptition.	Jul 29 22:07
DaemonFC	They're just influential to the point where people give up and use the Red Hat solution because they lack the resources to produce anything better or more coherent.	Jul 29 22:07
MinceR	no, redhat is systematically using their control over gnome and some distros as leverage to force systemd on users and to force kdbus into the official kernel	Jul 29 22:07
oiaohm	Redhat though Ubuntu would have kept on backing upstart.	Jul 29 22:07
oiaohm	So you would have had upstart vs systemd.	Jul 29 22:08
MinceR	and both of those pieces of software are horribly shitty	Jul 29 22:08
DaemonFC	Upstart is worse.	Jul 29 22:08
MinceR	systemd is an enormous tumor of unrelated functionality tied together	Jul 29 22:08
DaemonFC	It was relying on patches that had been refused upstream or not even submitted upstream.	Jul 29 22:08
MinceR	kdbus is a piece of functionality forced into the kernel that does not belong to the kernel	Jul 29 22:08
DaemonFC	To the Linux kernel, that is.	Jul 29 22:08
DaemonFC	They had their prefetch method that required a rejected patch, for instance.	Jul 29 22:09
MinceR	in this way, both of them follow typical microsoft principles	Jul 29 22:09
DaemonFC	systemd uses the method that's supported in the vanilla kernel.	Jul 29 22:09
MinceR	so redhat now both makes shoddy products and uses leverage to force them on people	Jul 29 22:09
oiaohm	MinceR: think about it kdbus. You say systemd is forcing it. But every time they have been reject they have gone away and attempted to make it better.	Jul 29 22:09
MinceR	this should be familiar.	Jul 29 22:09
MinceR	oiaohm: the way to make it better is to not make it at all	Jul 29 22:09
oiaohm	MinceR: its not like google with binder where hell the upstream.	Jul 29 22:09
MinceR	oiaohm: if they wanted a good dbus, they should redesign dbus and reimplement it in userspace	Jul 29 22:10
MinceR	oh, and they should have someone other than a closeted winblows fanboy design it	Jul 29 22:10
MinceR	(no, rebooting is not an acceptable way to restart a service.)	Jul 29 22:10
oiaohm	MinceR: there are documented issues with race conditions.	Jul 29 22:11
oiaohm	MinceR: working in userspace.	Jul 29 22:11
MinceR	oiaohm: and throwing the whole thing into the kernel is the only way to solve them?	Jul 29 22:11
MinceR	sounds like a clueless excuse for a software engineer	Jul 29 22:11
oiaohm	There needs to be a part in kernel.	Jul 29 22:11
MinceR	by the way, they could just use TIPC, which is already in the kernel	Jul 29 22:11
oiaohm	MinceR: its like the networking filters in userspace.	Jul 29 22:11
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MinceR	but of course they suffer from a heavy dose of NIH syndrome	Jul 29 22:12
MinceR	also, trying to send >512kB messages through dbus _also_ stinks	Jul 29 22:12
MinceR	it's like there's not a single bit in the whole picture they can get right	Jul 29 22:12
MinceR	they've built the wrong tool in the wrong way, are using it the wrong way and to solve the issue, they're trying to build in an even more wrong way	Jul 29 22:13
oiaohm	MinceR: did you read what TIPC is https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/TIPC	Jul 29 22:13
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-en.wikipedia.org \| TIPC - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia		Jul 29 22:13
MinceR	GNU/Linux wasn't Bizarro OS a while ago	Jul 29 22:13
oiaohm	TIPC is put all control on the network interface.	Jul 29 22:13
MinceR	why does it have to turn into that?	Jul 29 22:13
oiaohm	Basically we need something like TIPC that is purely local.	Jul 29 22:14
cubexyz	Linux still isn't bizarro... look at slackware 12.1 or newer	Jul 29 22:14
DaemonFC	MinceR, There's always one good thing to be said about Microsoft.	Jul 29 22:14
MinceR	and of course, naturally kdbus would come with a systemd dependency	Jul 29 22:14
DaemonFC	"It could be worse. At least they're not Apple."	Jul 29 22:14
MinceR	because whatever from redcrap would possibly not come with a systemd dependency?	Jul 29 22:14
MinceR	DaemonFC: that might not be worse, as crApple seems to be significantly less effective, especially since the death of their demigod	Jul 29 22:14
oiaohm	MinceR: there has been a lot of debate about Linux IPC.	Jul 29 22:14
MinceR	(their god is, of course, The Almighty Money)	Jul 29 22:14
oiaohm	MinceR: the result is yes Linux kernel needs another one.	Jul 29 22:14
MinceR	oiaohm: no kidding	Jul 29 22:15
MinceR	ooh, it has to go into the kernel	Jul 29 22:15
MinceR	oiaohm: when will the "debate" result in that the kernel also needs a service manager, a windowing system, an email client, a kitchen sink and a flat tire built into it too?	Jul 29 22:15
oiaohm	You need autostart/restart MinceR like the v4l and network stack extentions in userspace has.	Jul 29 22:16
MinceR	if Linux "needs" kdbus, then perhaps i "need" to consider moving to NetBSD.	Jul 29 22:16
cubexyz	how about a way to reset the text console? :)	Jul 29 22:16
MinceR	i'd need autostart/restart if the service as buggy	Jul 29 22:16
MinceR	they should fix their code instead of leaning on the reset button.	Jul 29 22:16
MinceR	that is, if they didn't want to be microsoft	Jul 29 22:16
DaemonFC	The iPhone has been languishing for years.	Jul 29 22:16
oiaohm	MinceR: service does not have to be buggy bad ram.	Jul 29 22:16
DaemonFC	1 GB of RAM and 16 GB of storage is not OK on a $650 phone.	Jul 29 22:17
MinceR	also, autostart/restart isn't exactly rocket science.	Jul 29 22:17
oiaohm	MinceR: Linux kernel can detect bad ram and restart a driver that had a block.	Jul 29 22:17
MinceR	a few lines of shell script could do the job.	Jul 29 22:17
MinceR	restartd could do the job.	Jul 29 22:17
oiaohm	MinceR: it when it got to start.	Jul 29 22:17
MinceR	oiaohm: so, we should move all applications to the kernel so the kernel can restart them too?	Jul 29 22:17
MinceR	oiaohm: the OS you're looking for already exists: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/TempleOS	Jul 29 22:18
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-en.wikipedia.org \| TempleOS - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia		Jul 29 22:18
MinceR	"ring-0-only"	Jul 29 22:18
DaemonFC	Some people defend them by saying "But they control the OS and the hardware." as if that means it's more efficient.	Jul 29 22:18
MinceR	with their control, they've ensured that both are unusably crap	Jul 29 22:18
cubexyz	I used to hear talk like that from Amiga people	Jul 29 22:18
MinceR	good job, apple!	Jul 29 22:18
oiaohm	MinceR: so a network filter when do you start that MinceR	Jul 29 22:18
DaemonFC	But iOS apps are about 2-3 times larger than Android ones, because on Android, the only code that ends up on your device is the code for your device.	Jul 29 22:19
oiaohm	a userspace network filter MinceR	Jul 29 22:19
MinceR	oiaohm: is kdbus one of those?	Jul 29 22:19
oiaohm	This is the best way to explain the problem.	Jul 29 22:19
oiaohm	The reason why tipc was suggest is that it can be a network filter and auto started.	Jul 29 22:20
MinceR	maybe HURD already has a userspace network filter	Jul 29 22:20
oiaohm	Linux has userspace network filters.	Jul 29 22:20
oiaohm	I am sticking to pure Linux MinceR	Jul 29 22:20
MinceR	so, why do we need yet another daemon moved into the kernel?	Jul 29 22:20
oiaohm	The Linux kernel starts the network filter when the network has traffic also stops the network when there is no traffic.	Jul 29 22:21
MinceR	also, the fix to bad ram is not "run everything in ring 0"	Jul 29 22:21
MinceR	the fix to bad ram is to replace it, hopefully with ECC ram.	Jul 29 22:21
oiaohm	There is no ipc based auto start. That application starts sending to a ipc and the kernel goes hey I need to wake X up.	Jul 29 22:21
MinceR	"ipc based auto start" was made up as an excuse for systemd	Jul 29 22:22
MinceR	they call it "dbus activation" or something.	Jul 29 22:22
oiaohm	99 percent kdbus really does not need to be in kernel.	Jul 29 22:22
MinceR	well, there you have it	Jul 29 22:22
MinceR	kdbus doesn't need to be in the kernel.	Jul 29 22:22
oiaohm	dbus activation has been race coditioning.	Jul 29 22:22
MinceR	maybe something small that actually does something that's impractical to do in userspace needs to be	Jul 29 22:23
oiaohm	And issue with reconnections.	Jul 29 22:23
MinceR	kdbus is not it.	Jul 29 22:23
MinceR	if we want dbus to be so resilient, why does the damn thing require a reboot to restart?	Jul 29 22:23
oiaohm	The thing is wayland you can restart the comositor without upsetting the connected applications.	Jul 29 22:24
MinceR	maybe redhat could sell a little motorized device that presses the reset button every n seconds and name it "lennartd"	Jul 29 22:24
oiaohm	But wayland todo that has implemented extras in kernelspace.	Jul 29 22:24
MinceR	reboots are so cool and "modern", everybody should have them all the time!	Jul 29 22:24
MinceR	naturally, the toxic wayland design also wants in on the action	Jul 29 22:24
MinceR	like i said, kmutter is coming	Jul 29 22:24
MinceR	just like windows nt!	Jul 29 22:25
cubexyz	server uptime: 264 days openbsd uptime: 204 days	Jul 29 22:25
oiaohm	MinceR: you have to restart services as updates come in.	Jul 29 22:25
MinceR	i can do them when i think is right.	Jul 29 22:26
oiaohm	What is lacking is a IPC that works for service restarting.	Jul 29 22:26
MinceR	and what makes that need to be in the kernel?	Jul 29 22:26
MinceR	userspace can't see when someone disconnects from a socket?	Jul 29 22:26
MinceR	am i imagining the "Broken pipe" error message?	Jul 29 22:26
oiaohm	Broken is the keyword.	Jul 29 22:27
MinceR	yes, it seems to be the primary design principle	Jul 29 22:27
oiaohm	All messages that were in the pipe are lost.	Jul 29 22:27
MinceR	Let's Break Things Better	Jul 29 22:27
oiaohm	And the application sending messages don't know what ones made it.	Jul 29 22:28
MinceR	if only there was a way to re-send messages	Jul 29 22:28
MinceR	it would be really useful on the network	Jul 29 22:28
MinceR	they could call the implementation TCP	Jul 29 22:28
oiaohm	re-sending messages is how TCP can cause major network congistion.	Jul 29 22:28
MinceR	good thing a bug in kdbus can't cause the system to hang	Jul 29 22:28
MinceR	because ring 0 is the safest ring to do stuff in	Jul 29 22:29
oiaohm	fd sealing that wayland users	Jul 29 22:29
oiaohm	Allows you to know what fd the compositor picked up before it died.	Jul 29 22:29
oiaohm	Picked up and processed before it died.	Jul 29 22:30
MinceR	good things applications never die, so client-side decorations are reliable	Jul 29 22:31
MinceR	oh wait	Jul 29 22:31
MinceR	it's interesting that certain failure modes are only ever considered to exist when they're a convenient excuse for forcing lendows on people	Jul 29 22:31
MinceR	whenever they're not, they'll never be guarded against in any way	Jul 29 22:31
MinceR	i might as well just run Red Hat 7 and reboot whenever something goes wrong -- i'd accomplish the exact same thing, with the exact same number of reboots, with a fraction of the code	Jul 29 22:33
MinceR	(not RHEL 7)	Jul 29 22:33
oiaohm	MinceR: the fd locking wayland uses works both ways.	Jul 29 22:34
oiaohm	If an application is dies and is killed by kernel wayland compositor finds because the locks on the fd change to reflect that.	Jul 29 22:34
oiaohm	MinceR: wayland has these days client-side and server side decorations.	Jul 29 22:40
MinceR	afaik only kde's implementation supports SSD	Jul 29 22:41
MinceR	the others (especially gnome) only seem to be interested in putting shit in title bars	Jul 29 22:41
MinceR	(maybe they used the ribbon ui too much and it broke their brains)	Jul 29 22:41
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oiaohm	MinceR: http://blog.martin-graesslin.com/blog/2013/02/client-side-window-decorations-and-wayland/	Jul 29 23:02
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oiaohm	MinceR: problem here is client side decorations to make sense from a performance point of view.	Jul 29 23:02
oiaohm	MinceR: server side decorations main advantage is kill/resize buttons work.	Jul 29 23:03
oiaohm	Now if gnome and others using client side had added like some extra means to kill applications Less of a problem.	Jul 29 23:04
cubexyz	oiaohm, I just realized something about KDE	Jul 29 23:07
cubexyz	if one runs KDE 1.X applications on KDE 3.5 you can't talk to them via dcop	Jul 29 23:08
cubexyz	not a big deal, but interesting	Jul 29 23:08
oiaohm	Fun is my mixed state between KDE 4.x and KDE 5.x I have at moment.	Jul 29 23:08
oiaohm	KDE 5 network status tool does not work with KDE 4 plasma.	Jul 29 23:09
oiaohm	Than you gtk nm-applet	Jul 29 23:09
oiaohm	then off course kdeinit4 does not start kwin_x11 (that is KDE 5)	Jul 29 23:10
oiaohm	by default.	Jul 29 23:10
cubexyz	why not just run KDE 4 and KDE 5 on different machines?	Jul 29 23:11
cubexyz	just curious why you're combining them	Jul 29 23:11
oiaohm	The cause of combining is debian testing	Jul 29 23:11
oiaohm	I am only using packages that are in debian testing.	Jul 29 23:11
oiaohm	I could get all of KDE 5 if I went sid or I could have KDE 4 if I forced back to stable.	Jul 29 23:12
oiaohm	cubexyz: change over is a bitch basically.	Jul 29 23:12
cubexyz	hmmm, well I did combine parts of KDE 1.X and KDE 3.5.10	Jul 29 23:12
cubexyz	due to orphaned KDE 1 programs	Jul 29 23:13
cubexyz	and I combined icewm with klipper :)	Jul 29 23:13
oiaohm	My current system has some KDE 3.5 applications and KDE 4.x and KDE 5.x	Jul 29 23:14
oiaohm	I don't think I have any kde 1.x left.	Jul 29 23:14
cubexyz	dcop wasn't very well documented	Jul 29 23:17
cubexyz	I'm still learning new things about it KDE 3.X	Jul 29 23:18
cubexyz	I'm quite proud of this:	Jul 29 23:19
cubexyz	http://www.maxhost.org/other/mwm-desktop-of-the-future.png	Jul 29 23:19
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cubexyz	when did dcop first appear, anyone know?	Jul 29 23:21
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cubexyz	ah, KDE 3	Jul 29 23:24
cubexyz	it's kind of got silly with the continual upgrades	Jul 29 23:25
oiaohm	cubexyz: Linux desktops have got a lot more functional.	Jul 29 23:26
cubexyz	too many bloated memory hogs	Jul 29 23:26
cubexyz	overly complex	Jul 29 23:26
cubexyz	fortunately distro watch keeps one abreast of distros appropriate for older hardware	Jul 29 23:28
cubexyz	openbsd still works on microvax	Jul 29 23:28
cubexyz	that's why I kind of lost interest in new KDE... it was just too slow on older hardware	Jul 29 23:29
cubexyz	so I replaced most of KDE 3.5.10 with icewm but still used some parts like klipper	Jul 29 23:29
oiaohm	Since these days I run fairly powerful hardware KDE does not bother me.	Jul 29 23:30
cubexyz	http://www.maxhost.org/other/compare-all-wms.png	Jul 29 23:30
oiaohm	Back when I was using smaller systems I did use smaller wm.	Jul 29 23:30
oiaohm	cubexyz: that chart is getting a bit old.	Jul 29 23:31
cubexyz	also I've noticed P3 based machines lasted longer than P4's	Jul 29 23:31
oiaohm	https://flexion.org/posts/2014-03-memory-consumption-of-linux-desktop-environments.html	Jul 29 23:33
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oiaohm	cubexyz: KDE has been reducing its memory usage.	Jul 29 23:33
cubexyz	oiaohm, there's significant pollution caused by chip fabrication	Jul 29 23:33
oiaohm	But its still huge.	Jul 29 23:33
cubexyz	it makes sense to reuse and repurpose older computers (within reason of course)	Jul 29 23:33
cubexyz	acetone, arsenic, trichloroethylene all mess up the water table	Jul 29 23:34
msb_	This is my favorite computer: http://cosmicpenguin.com/images/pc_of_future.jpg	Jul 29 23:34
cubexyz	I just knew that old fart programmed in Fortran :)	Jul 29 23:35
msb_	I used to program in Fortran when I was a young fart.	Jul 29 23:36
cubexyz	it's still used in some places	Jul 29 23:36
cubexyz	oiaohm, all those DE's kind of suck memory-wise	Jul 29 23:38
cubexyz	I can run mwm... no real DE there	Jul 29 23:40
cubexyz	XFCE can only be considered light in comparison to KDE	Jul 29 23:44
cubexyz	icewm is quite useable... 4.5 megs	Jul 29 23:44
cubexyz	I used icewm on openbsd as well	Jul 29 23:44
cubexyz	ther's LKM I probably don't need but vector linux loads them anyway	Jul 29 23:46
cubexyz	pretty sure I don't need sunprc	Jul 29 23:46
cubexyz	sunrpc	Jul 29 23:46
oiaohm	cubexyz: part of the reason for running mix of KDE 4 and 5 is memory usage.	Jul 30 00:17
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DaemonFC	https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Rvn6mCzRRpU	Jul 30 02:17
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DaemonFC	Ryan Farmer	Jul 30 02:20
DaemonFC	Just now ·	Jul 30 02:20
DaemonFC	"The Xbox Live Auth Manager service terminated with the following service-specific error: The operation completed successfully."	Jul 30 02:20
DaemonFC	Ahhh, Microsoft.	Jul 30 02:20
DaemonFC	http://www.howtogeek.com/210589/mac-os-x-isn%E2%80%99t-safe-anymore-the-crapware-malware-epidemic-has-begun/	Jul 30 02:38
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DaemonFC	Apparently there are so many open Firefox bugs in the Windows 10 tracker bug that users should just assume that Firefox isn't usable on Windows 10 at the moment.	Jul 30 02:45
DaemonFC	https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1077146	Jul 30 02:46
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-bugzilla.mozilla.org \| 1077146 – (windows-10) [tracking] Windows 10 issues [ http://ur1.ca/naxnw ]		Jul 30 02:46
DaemonFC	How the hell this could happen is anyone's guess. I'm assuming that Mozilla could have set up some computers with the Windows 10 tech previews on them to figure out the obvious ones, like Facebook being totally broken.	Jul 30 02:47
DaemonFC	https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1180009	Jul 30 03:10
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DaemonFC	A security problem with Firefox under Windows 10.	Jul 30 03:10
DaemonFC	http://www.theregister.co.uk/2015/05/06/microsoft_edge_extensibility/	Jul 30 03:20
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DaemonFC	I tried it out. It is a very basic browser. It almost felt like the very early days of Google Chrome.	Jul 30 03:20
DaemonFC	It's pretty half-baked. It feels like they got it up to the bare minimum that could be called a web browser and then gave up and released it that way.	Jul 30 03:23
DaemonFC	http://www.theregister.co.uk/2015/07/20/court_to_hear_microsoft_irs_tax_dispute/	Jul 30 03:26
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.theregister.co.uk \| The US taxman thinks Microsoft owes billions. Prove it, says Microsoft • The Register [ http://ur1.ca/naxz9 ]		Jul 30 03:26
schestowitz	DaemonFC: ah	Jul 30 04:03
schestowitz	MS sued them	Jul 30 04:03
schestowitz	to scare them	Jul 30 04:04
DaemonFC	The IRS?	Jul 30 04:04
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cubexyz	too much microsoft blah blah	Jul 30 04:12
cubexyz	I'm going to concentrate on BSD/Linux/Other	Jul 30 04:12
schestowitz	yeah, media blurbs	Jul 30 04:16
schestowitz	manufactured by Microsoft	Jul 30 04:16
schestowitz	cubexyz: I will write about vista10 later today	Jul 30 04:30
schestowitz	in case you read the front page of the site, many of the links there come from IRC :-)	Jul 30 04:30
schestowitz	because since ages ago I no longer keep track of MS news	Jul 30 04:31
schestowitz	since 2010 I think.... when I stopped	Jul 30 04:31
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schestowitz	"I thought you were implying Fedora itself was GNU. There’s that Freedora thing but that’s pretty shady imo."	Jul 30 04:37
schestowitz	https://joindiaspora.com/posts/6399778	Jul 30 04:37
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: #Fedora23 will feature a Cinnamon Spin http://linuxbsdos.com/2015/07/28/fedora-23-will-feature-a-cinnamon-spin/ #fedora #redhat #gnu #linux		Jul 30 04:37
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights--> linuxbsdos.com \| Fedora 23 will feature a Cinnamon Spin \| LinuxBSDos.com [ http://ur1.ca/naqst ]		Jul 30 04:37
schestowitz	I use the GNU hashtag a lot to give credit	Jul 30 04:37
schestowitz	MinceR: https://joindiaspora.com/posts/6403300	Jul 30 04:37
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: "I think "humane"/"inhumane" are misleading because they imply that humans are wired to be good"- MinceR, #techrights		Jul 30 04:37
schestowitz	"	Jul 30 04:37
schestowitz	I would challenge the use of the word ‘wired’ in that sentence.	Jul 30 04:37
schestowitz	Certainly, as a species, under the present system of social organization we are demonstrating that we are not only not fit to survive, but unworthy to survive. That says nothing, however, about the potential that has been discarded by that system.	Jul 30 04:37
schestowitz	"	Jul 30 04:37
schestowitz	https://joindiaspora.com/posts/6403288	Jul 30 04:37
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: #microsoft back doors... in a SAFE! http://thenextweb.com/gadgets/2015/07/28/robbed-in-60-seconds/ http://techrights.org/wiki/index.php/Microsoft_and_the_NSA who came up with such a horrible idea?!		Jul 30 04:37
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights--> thenextweb.com \| Brinks safe runs Windows XP, can be hacked in 60 seconds… [ http://ur1.ca/naeex ]		Jul 30 04:37
schestowitz	"Excellent. I need to find one of those and hack it.	Jul 30 04:37
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schestowitz	"	Jul 30 04:37
schestowitz	https://joindiaspora.com/posts/6400257	Jul 30 04:38
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: Assault on #anonymous (cash) payments: "consumers have to pay a fee whenever they want to withdraw cash" https://joindiaspora.com/posts/6399548 #sweden		Jul 30 04:38
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: In #sweden "banks don't want to pay the 'expense' of handling cash," iopkh shows http://www.svd.se/pengar-problem-i-kontanthanteringen/om/debatten-om-kontanterna		Jul 30 04:38
schestowitz	"can be standard in Austria, depending on the deal you’ve got. There are fixed monthly fee models as well as the ‘pay per transaction’ model… since at least more than 20 years now."	Jul 30 04:38
schestowitz	Now I realise how lucky we are to be able to do this freely at any ATM (the banks allow customers to use each other's ATMs freely)	Jul 30 04:38
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Ubuntu Touch Finally Gets a Regression Fix for	Jul 30 04:42
TweetTuxMachines	Nexus 4 and Aquaris Phones	Jul 30 04:42
TweetTuxMachines	http://t.co/yOUDtRPPHl (linux.softpedia.com)	Jul 30 04:42
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Carrier adds Arduino and MCU hooks to Zynq	Jul 30 04:49
TweetTuxMachines	ARM/FPGA COM http://t.co/h4KFIQf4KC	Jul 30 04:49
TweetTuxMachines	(linuxgizmos.com)	Jul 30 04:49
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TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/naynu	Jul 30 04:49
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines An Everyday Linux User Review Of Android x86 -	Jul 30 04:49
TweetTuxMachines	Release 4.4 r3 http://t.co/EMF2c4fZHr	Jul 30 04:49
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TweetTuxMachines	(www.everydaylinuxuser.com)	Jul 30 04:49
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/naynv	Jul 30 04:49
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Battle of the sub-$450 Android phones: ZTE Axon	Jul 30 04:49
TweetTuxMachines	vs OnePlus 2 vs Moto X Style	Jul 30 04:49
TweetTuxMachines	http://t.co/9yv5AuATb6 (www.zdnet.com)	Jul 30 04:49
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines The AMD Radeon R9 Fury Is Currently A Disaster	Jul 30 04:49
TweetTuxMachines	On Linux http://t.co/yAM4kFLW8v	Jul 30 04:49
TweetTuxMachines	(www.phoronix.com) one to avoid then.	Jul 30 04:49
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Remix Mini Is the First Android PC, Runs	Jul 30 05:10
TweetTuxMachines	Lollipop-Based Remix OS http://t.co/15lp4APOWa	Jul 30 05:10
TweetTuxMachines	(news.softpedia.com)	Jul 30 05:10
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schestowitz	https://twitter.com/LadyKorenwolf/status/626683547101855744	Jul 30 05:21
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@LadyKorenwolf: .@schestowitz when a US policer officer shoots someone & says "I had no choice" I wonder what they would have done if they hadn't had a gun		Jul 30 05:21
schestowitz	An armed policeman is more likely to be shot at. Shooting at an unarmed cop is cowardly and often not necessary for one's defence.	Jul 30 05:22
schestowitz	https://twitter.com/LadyKorenwolf/status/626683978196586496	Jul 30 05:23
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@LadyKorenwolf: @schestowitz "I was cornered & he was threatening me w/ a pen" was, I believe, excuse for killing a mentally disturbed man in a wheelchair		Jul 30 05:23
schestowitz	https://twitter.com/LadyKorenwolf/status/626684249878478848	Jul 30 05:23
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@LadyKorenwolf: @schestowitz use of a firearm should always be the absolute last resort & only for defence (of self or another)		Jul 30 05:23
schestowitz	Works in theory, when you assume equal value of life for all	Jul 30 05:23
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oiaohm	schestowitz: presuming that unarmed policeman are safe is kinda wrong. Unarmed people would not get shot in crimes if the theory held.	Jul 30 06:01
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oiaohm	schestowitz: http://electronics.howstuffworks.com/gadgets/other-gadgets/taser-shotgun-shell.htm This tech is interesting.	Jul 30 06:09
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines i.MX6 hacker board features M.2 and wide-range	Jul 30 06:53
TweetTuxMachines	power http://t.co/awYqqUByv0	Jul 30 06:53
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Free software advocates heckle town of Pesaro	Jul 30 06:53
TweetTuxMachines	http://t.co/iyXpFyfpTZ (www.tuxmachines.org)	Jul 30 06:53
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MinceR	oiaohm: yes, i know, like their idols at m$, the only thing that matters to these ricers is that it must be faster	Jul 30 08:15
MinceR	(even if they give everything up for the sake of performance and then performance still sucks)	Jul 30 08:15
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schestowitz	oiaohm: wow	Jul 30 08:27
schestowitz	how horrid	Jul 30 08:27
schestowitz	[11:01] <oiaohm> schestowitz: presuming that unarmed policeman are safe is kinda wrong. Unarmed people would not get shot in crimes if the theory held.	Jul 30 08:28
schestowitz	if citizens assume that the police are armed, they're more likely to arm themselves	Jul 30 08:28
schestowitz	it's an arms race	Jul 30 08:29
cubexyz	redhat had it's 20 year anniversary this year	Jul 30 08:30
cubexyz	I don't think anyone noticed :)	Jul 30 08:30
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Remembering Nóirín Plunkett	Jul 30 08:31
TweetTuxMachines	http://t.co/5WbDThkUgB (www.tuxmachines.org)	Jul 30 08:31
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Ubuntu MATE Will Offer a Choice Between Ubuntu	Jul 30 08:31
TweetTuxMachines	Software Center and App Grid	Jul 30 08:31
TweetTuxMachines	http://t.co/qh3e7XemXN (www.tuxmachines.org)	Jul 30 08:31
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Parsix 8.0 Test 2 Is Based on Debian Testing	Jul 30 08:31
TweetTuxMachines	and GNOME 3.16 http://t.co/baJeFFcFcK	Jul 30 08:31
TweetTuxMachines	(www.tuxmachines.org)	Jul 30 08:31
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oiaohm	schestowitz: yes its an arms race. Problem here UK has had unarmed police for long time has not prevent them being shot.	Jul 30 08:42
MinceR	the harms race	Jul 30 08:46
schestowitz	https://twitter.com/ppetrovdotnet/status/626734919356653568	Jul 30 08:47
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@ppetrovdotnet: @schestowitz quite poor ... hope not someone first intro to linux in 2015 :(		Jul 30 08:47
schestowitz	oiaohm: doesn't happen much	Jul 30 08:47
schestowitz	it's HUGE news here when police get shot	Jul 30 08:47
schestowitz	two female officers got shot in Manchester about 3 years ago	Jul 30 08:47
schestowitz	it was national news for like a year almost...	Jul 30 08:47
schestowitz	That's not to say that non-cops never get shot	Jul 30 08:48
schestowitz	but it's rare	Jul 30 08:48
schestowitz	crime stats here probably differ a lot from US	Jul 30 08:48
schestowitz	not many fatalities	Jul 30 08:48
schestowitz	drugs, breakins, antisocial behaviour (hardly crime), hate crime, sometimes a stabbing	Jul 30 08:48
schestowitz	or arson/vandalism	Jul 30 08:48
oiaohm	schestowitz: the problem is the class of arms race.	Jul 30 08:49
oiaohm	Currently majority of the arm race has been around making lethal weapons cheap/affordable.	Jul 30 08:49
oiaohm	schestowitz: http://crimepreventionresearchcenter.org/wp-content/uploads/2014/10/Report-on-gun-related-suicides-and-crime-for-the-Australian-Parliament-Rev.pdf This was a report done for Australia.	Jul 30 08:50
schestowitz	does autralia have a gun crime epidemic?	Jul 30 08:50
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oiaohm	Basically it not safe to tell people to act passively it does not work.	Jul 30 08:50
schestowitz	i have not been paying attention to aussie figures, probably because they're not newsworthy	Jul 30 08:50
oiaohm	Australia does have gun crime problems.	Jul 30 08:50
schestowitz	how many fatalities?	Jul 30 08:50
schestowitz	exc. suicides?	Jul 30 08:50
oiaohm	Reduced when laws for commiting crime using guns increased.	Jul 30 08:50
oiaohm	suicide numbers stayed about the same after gun banning but guns disappeared as common method.	Jul 30 08:51
oiaohm	Yes overdoes replaced guns.	Jul 30 08:51
schestowitz	how many fatalities per year per million people?	Jul 30 08:51
schestowitz	Maybe 1?	Jul 30 08:51
schestowitz	In the Uk it's something like 1 or 2	Jul 30 08:51
cubexyz	is crime getting worse?	Jul 30 08:52
schestowitz	in some places it got better	Jul 30 08:52
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oiaohm	schestowitz: Homicides using guns dropped.	Jul 30 08:52
schestowitz	manchester used to have a gun crime issue around the 80s I think, in certain areas with many immigrants	Jul 30 08:52
oiaohm	Robberies using guns after the law cam in increased.	Jul 30 08:52
schestowitz	oiaohm: it's US it's still going up	Jul 30 08:52
oiaohm	But that was mostly until places got licensed secuirty.	Jul 30 08:52
schestowitz	maybe plateaued this year last i saw the graph	Jul 30 08:52
oiaohm	Then the numbers went back down.	Jul 30 08:52
schestowitz	economic downturn won't help	Jul 30 08:53
oiaohm	The thing that the Australian numbers tell us is we need weapons. Preferable of the non lethal class that are affordable and have range.	Jul 30 08:55
MinceR	there's no "non lethal", only "less lethal" or "less likely to be lethal"	Jul 30 08:56
oiaohm	MinceR: there is a non lethal but its big and expensive(so not that functional) tazer/differator combination.	Jul 30 08:58
cubexyz	there was that spray on foam gun	Jul 30 08:58
MinceR	can't that give you a lethal heart attack?	Jul 30 08:58
MinceR	or just kill your pacemaker	Jul 30 08:58
cubexyz	never seen anyone use it though	Jul 30 08:58
oiaohm	MinceR: that is why the combination.	Jul 30 08:59
oiaohm	MinceR: if it kills you pacemaker it contains the system to deal with that.	Jul 30 08:59
MinceR	oh, defibrillator	Jul 30 08:59
MinceR	interesting	Jul 30 08:59
oiaohm	There is also the radio freq that happens to turn all you pain sensors all that is completely useless for those that are extreamlly high on drugs.	Jul 30 09:00
oiaohm	But anyone else will stop tracks as they pass out.	Jul 30 09:01
schestowitz	https://twitter.com/BobSummerwill/status/626738465879658496	Jul 30 09:01
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@BobSummerwill: @schestowitz It does not surprise me that you are all over this. Horrifying situation with these multiple 'trade deals' on the brew		Jul 30 09:01
schestowitz	follow @glynmoody	Jul 30 09:01
MinceR	microwave?	Jul 30 09:01
MinceR	that can cook your eyes	Jul 30 09:01
oiaohm	MinceR: its a lower freq	Jul 30 09:01
oiaohm	Something completely strange that we react to.	Jul 30 09:01
oiaohm	MinceR: problem is it not very directional.	Jul 30 09:03
oiaohm	MinceR: so firing it you will most likely take everyone out.	Jul 30 09:03
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Today in Techrights http://t.co/gPJOuCbl2S	Jul 30 09:04
TweetTuxMachines	(www.tuxmachines.org)	Jul 30 09:04
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/nb0z6	Jul 30 09:04
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Review: Ubuntu 15.04 http://t.co/Bwsdlqud7k	Jul 30 09:04
TweetTuxMachines	(www.pcauthority.com.au)	Jul 30 09:04
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/nb0z7	Jul 30 09:04
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Ubuntu 15.04 On The Tegra X1 Yields Even Better	Jul 30 09:04
TweetTuxMachines	Results, More Benchmarks http://t.co/5JHmUwz9zT	Jul 30 09:04
TweetTuxMachines	(www.phoronix.com)	Jul 30 09:04
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TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/nb0z8	Jul 30 09:04
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Parsix 8.0 Test 2 Is Based on Debian Testing	Jul 30 09:06
TweetTuxMachines	and GNOME 3.16 http://t.co/vxG6N9UkWS	Jul 30 09:06
TweetTuxMachines	(news.softpedia.com)	Jul 30 09:06
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TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/nb0zv	Jul 30 09:06
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Ubuntu MATE Will Offer a Choice Between Ubuntu	Jul 30 09:06
TweetTuxMachines	Software Center and App Grid	Jul 30 09:06
TweetTuxMachines	http://t.co/SOs24Ye6xi (news.softpedia.com)	Jul 30 09:06
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/nb0zw	Jul 30 09:06
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oiaohm	MinceR: the microwave one is directional.	Jul 30 09:07
oiaohm	MinceR: and harmful.	Jul 30 09:08
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MinceR	http://blog.pluralsight.com/give-me-those-old-time-programmers	Jul 30 09:54
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oiaohm	MinceR: true but programmers building with small open source boards today have to work to same limits.	Jul 30 10:03
oiaohm	MinceR: arduino class items come to mind.	Jul 30 10:04
MinceR	most software is still shit	Jul 30 10:04
oiaohm	Even the old programmers made some crappy programs.	Jul 30 10:06
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Parsix 8.0 Test 2 Is Based on Debian Testing	Jul 30 10:06
TweetTuxMachines	retweeted by and GNOME 3.16 http://t.co/vxG6N9UkWS	Jul 30 10:06
TweetTuxMachines	@ningbojoe (news.softpedia.com)	Jul 30 10:06
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/nb1ho	Jul 30 10:06
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines i.MX6 hacker board features M.2 and wide-range	Jul 30 10:07
MinceR	now crap has become the norm	Jul 30 10:07
TweetTuxMachines	power http://t.co/A3f0gUh7m7 (linuxgizmos.com)	Jul 30 10:07
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TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/nb1hp	Jul 30 10:07
oiaohm	It was cases of nasa with enforced quality control that made most of the impressive stuff.	Jul 30 10:07
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines ROSA R6 "Desktop Fresh" Screencast and	Jul 30 10:07
TweetTuxMachines	Screenshots http://t.co/p1r0d803bO	Jul 30 10:07
TweetTuxMachines	(www.linuxquestions.org)	Jul 30 10:07
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TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/nb1hq	Jul 30 10:07
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines KDE Started Working At Fiber, A New QML-Based	Jul 30 10:09
TweetTuxMachines	Internet Browser http://t.co/Q9PHE67Lfk	Jul 30 10:09
TweetTuxMachines	(linuxg.net)	Jul 30 10:09
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/nb1im	Jul 30 10:09
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Review: Ubuntu 15.04 http://t.co/RulMSpN1w8	Jul 30 10:10
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Ubuntu 15.04 On The Tegra X1 Yields Even Better	Jul 30 10:10
TweetTuxMachines	Results, More Benchmarks http://t.co/uLB40YQkQE	Jul 30 10:10
TweetTuxMachines	(www.tuxmachines.org)	Jul 30 10:10
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TweetTuxMachines	(www.tuxmachines.org)	Jul 30 10:10
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Open Source Usage in Large Enterprises	Jul 30 10:12
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TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/nb1jg	Jul 30 10:12
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines OpenDaylight Project announces new members	Jul 30 10:12
TweetTuxMachines	http://t.co/LUUptcdwkI (www.tuxmachines.org)	Jul 30 10:12
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/nb1jk	Jul 30 10:12
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Porting Qt applications to Wayland	Jul 30 10:21
TweetTuxMachines	http://t.co/jTH34y3BFd	Jul 30 10:21
TweetTuxMachines	(blog.martin-graesslin.com)	Jul 30 10:21
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TweetTuxMachines	@schestowitz	Jul 30 10:40
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/nb1td	Jul 30 10:40
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines CoreOS CEO: Security is fundamental	Jul 30 10:40
TweetTuxMachines	http://t.co/zjX1VcDUkV (www.infoworld.com)	Jul 30 10:40
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/nb1te	Jul 30 10:40
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MinceR	https://muchweb.me/systemd-nsa-attempt/	Jul 30 11:00
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MinceR	http://img.pr0gramm.com/2015/07/30/3141fe8e90c09114.jpg	Jul 30 11:18
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Linux 4.2 May Finish Fixing Up Radeon Audio	Jul 30 11:19
TweetTuxMachines	Support http://t.co/imvNvTUhOg	Jul 30 11:19
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TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/nb25s	Jul 30 11:19
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Systemd Is Launching Its Own Conference	Jul 30 11:19
TweetTuxMachines	http://t.co/8nUCaEWrU0 (www.phoronix.com)	Jul 30 11:19
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/nb25t	Jul 30 11:19
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Must-Know Linux Commands For New Users	Jul 30 11:19
TweetTuxMachines	http://t.co/9CPeTRglka (www.linux.com)	Jul 30 11:19
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Linux 4.2 May Finish Fixing Up Radeon Audio	Jul 30 11:19
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Systemd Is Launching Its Own Conference	Jul 30 11:19
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Kodi 15 Brings XBMC Media Player to Android	Jul 30 11:19
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abeNd-org	kodi, meh, plex for the win!	Jul 30 11:40
schestowitz	https://joindiaspora.com/posts/6405195	Jul 30 11:51
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: #Microsoft 's Mouthpiece Mary Branscombe Tries to Shoot Down Free Software, But Fails Miserably http://techrights.org/2015/07/30/fud-from-mary-branscombe/ #freesw #cbs #zdnet		Jul 30 11:51
schestowitz	"just today i have been written that any software will eventually become free, because otherwise there would appear an analogue of that software which is free, and the first won’t survive competition with the second."	Jul 30 11:51
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights--> techrights.org \| Microsoft’s Mouthpiece Mary Branscombe Tries to Shoot Down Free Software, But Fails Miserably \| Techrights [ http://ur1.ca/nb2fg ]		Jul 30 11:51
schestowitz	https://spyurk.am/posts/1574387	Jul 30 11:52
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schestowitz	Possibly true	Jul 30 11:52
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schestowitz	https://joindiaspora.com/posts/6404420	Jul 30 11:58
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: 500 and counting: websites blocked by order of #UK courts http://ipkitten.blogspot.com/2015/07/500-and-counting-websites-blocked-by.html Tories aping #singapore or #china		Jul 30 11:58
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights--> ipkitten.blogspot.com \| The IPKat: 500 and counting: websites blocked by order of UK courts [ http://ur1.ca/nb2hr ]		Jul 30 11:58
schestowitz	No, just Tories being themselves. I was born in an era when everything was forbidden.""	Jul 30 11:58
schestowitz	Westminster? :-)	Jul 30 11:58
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schestowitz	https://joindiaspora.com/posts/6404540	Jul 30 12:05
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: A lot of #police in #manchester has been substituted with 'gentle' bouncers (usually man and woman) called PCSOs. Nonviolent, better.		Jul 30 12:05
schestowitz	"Non-violent societies have non-violent policemen. One is a consequence of the other."	Jul 30 12:05
schestowitz	https://joindiaspora.com/posts/6404528	Jul 30 12:08
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: Suing someone for broken wrist after punching him/her? It gets worse. Suing for bleeding on you after your assault http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2015/07/29/ferguson-prisoner-beaten-by-cops-has-won-his-appeal.html		Jul 30 12:08
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schestowitz	"If it looks like a totalitarian State, hears like a totalitarian State and smells like a totalitarian State, it might be a totalitarian State."	Jul 30 12:08
schestowitz	Makes even Mexico look safe...	Jul 30 12:09
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schestowitz	> x	Jul 30 12:19
schestowitz	> http://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2015/07/review-windows-10-is-the-best-version-yet-once-the-bugs-get-fixed/	Jul 30 12:19
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schestowitz	>	Jul 30 12:19
schestowitz	> "This versions is the $superlative yet" formula	Jul 30 12:19
schestowitz	Spam: #microsoft Peter ‘reviews’ Microsoft #vista10 http://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2015/07/review-windows-10-is-the-best-version-yet-once-the-bugs-get-fixed/ that’s like Chrysler reviewing Chrysler	Jul 30 12:19
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schestowitz	https://twitter.com/FrancisJeffrey7/status/626795191110926336	Jul 30 12:49
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@FrancisJeffrey7: @schestowitz Global "insiders" feeding on #snitchocracy & #snatchocracy, will not soon give up fight for their illegitimate power & profit.		Jul 30 12:49
schestowitz	https://twitter.com/SleepyPenguin1/status/626796844052381696	Jul 30 12:50
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@SleepyPenguin1: Does the Kremlin have a new way of hacking the West ? @ruskin147 @schestowitz http://t.co/Br4I0spUde		Jul 30 12:50
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights--> foreignpolicy.com \| Does the Kremlin Have a New Way of Hacking the West? \| Foreign Policy		Jul 30 12:50
schestowitz	hypocrites and crackers on both sides	Jul 30 12:51
schestowitz	https://twitter.com/SleepyPenguin1/status/626797584347213825	Jul 30 12:54
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@SleepyPenguin1: @schestowitz @ruskin147 Yes. Does look a bit like that...		Jul 30 12:54
schestowitz	That's like a Kremlin-based firm whining over NSA.... in this case, the US-based one also Chinophobic (for years now). And FP=Pentagon PR.	Jul 30 12:55
schestowitz	https://twitter.com/brokenrib/status/626798275379662848	Jul 30 12:56
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@brokenrib: @schestowitz have you send Maafra21? Documenting PPH stemming directly from 19th early 20th century eugenics movement. Sterilizing folks...		Jul 30 12:56
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schestowitz	https://twitter.com/brokenrib/status/626798571505872896	Jul 30 12:57
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@brokenrib: @schestowitz sry it's @maafa21		Jul 30 12:57
schestowitz	https://twitter.com/SleepyPenguin1/status/626798682239827968	Jul 30 12:57
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@SleepyPenguin1: @schestowitz @ruskin147 Yes...		Jul 30 12:57
schestowitz	Problem is, #china and #russia oppressive enough to scare potential dissent, domestic complaints over cracking	Jul 30 12:58
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Webconverger 31 Kiosk OS Is Now Using Firefox	Jul 30 13:10
TweetTuxMachines	39 http://t.co/nJNfj7FEQu (www.tuxmachines.org)	Jul 30 13:10
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines LibreOffice 4.4.5 "Still" Arrives with Over 80	Jul 30 13:10
TweetTuxMachines	Fixes http://t.co/61KyCwuOlH	Jul 30 13:10
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines HP ProBook 455 G2 Ubuntu review: It's	Jul 30 13:10
TweetTuxMachines	dirt-cheap, but this budget laptop may not be	Jul 30 13:10
TweetTuxMachines	your dream come true http://t.co/JNyVxOqX1A	Jul 30 13:10
TweetTuxMachines	(www.tuxmachines.org)	Jul 30 13:10
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines 10 Job Interview Questions for Linux System	Jul 30 13:21
TweetTuxMachines	Administrators http://t.co/ivNQBdpjos	Jul 30 13:21
TweetTuxMachines	(www.linux.com)	Jul 30 13:21
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.linux.com \| 10 Job Interview Questions for Linux System Administrators \| Linux.com		Jul 30 13:21
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Elive 2.6.8 beta released	Jul 30 13:21
TweetTuxMachines	http://t.co/rzxPurkDaI (www.elivecd.org)	Jul 30 13:21
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.elivecd.org \| Elive 2.6.8 beta released - Elive Linux		Jul 30 13:21
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Kodi 15 Brings XBMC Media Player to Android	Jul 30 13:21
TweetTuxMachines	http://t.co/2SOIu6ZiKJ (www.linux.com)	Jul 30 13:21
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Webconverger 31 Kiosk OS Is Now Using Firefox	Jul 30 13:29
TweetTuxMachines	39 http://t.co/2SOIu6ZiKJ (www.linux.com)	Jul 30 13:29
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines HP ProBook 455 G2 Ubuntu review: It's	Jul 30 13:29
TweetTuxMachines	dirt-cheap, but this budget laptop may not be	Jul 30 13:29
TweetTuxMachines	your dream come true http://t.co/twf1HSERf2	Jul 30 13:29
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Leftovers: SysAdmins/Servers	Jul 30 13:29
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schestowitz	https://twitter.com/karounos/status/626818209920995329	Jul 30 14:16
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@karounos: “@schestowitz: Granite Geek: Open Source #Hardware http://t.co/0rT6qvFEo5 #sharing designs, modding” @eellak @DSpinellis @adeligia		Jul 30 14:16
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schestowitz	https://twitter.com/karounos/status/626818673869725696	Jul 30 14:17
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@karounos: “@schestowitz: Open Source #FPGA Toolchain Builds CPU http://t.co/Fykrk4Ek8s” @eellak @DSpinellis @adeligia @kranidiotis		Jul 30 14:17
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schestowitz	https://twitter.com/cheekbyname/status/626820734871076864	Jul 30 14:27
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@cheekbyname: @schestowitz Running fine alongside my Debian Jessie install (grub), although they're on separate drives and it boots off the Debian one.		Jul 30 14:27
schestowitz	co-existing on CPU, not a hard drive :-)	Jul 30 14:27
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schestowitz	https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/626823245895991296	Jul 30 14:39
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz: When people love their precious "bible" more than they love people they may actually follow commands from the bible and murder people		Jul 30 14:39
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schestowitz	https://twitter.com/Winterbay_/status/626834512320811008	Jul 30 15:38
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@Winterbay_: @LadyKorenwolf @schestowitz I'm always confused as to why they don't shoot in legs or similar rather than fatal body areas...		Jul 30 15:38
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Elive 2.6.8 beta released	Jul 30 15:38
TweetTuxMachines	http://t.co/0RLbriq3Sa (www.tuxmachines.org)	Jul 30 15:38
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines DragonFlyBSD Has Full-Acceleration Now Working	Jul 30 15:38
TweetTuxMachines	For Intel Broadwell Graphics	Jul 30 15:38
TweetTuxMachines	http://t.co/G6DfyL5L3b (www.tuxmachines.org)	Jul 30 15:38
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schestowitz	The shot-at is witness/evidence, so better dead if abused	Jul 30 15:38
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Links 30/7/2015: Apache Spark on Z System,	Jul 30 15:38
TweetTuxMachines	Elive 2.6.8 Beta http://t.co/SF4A4cwR1C	Jul 30 15:38
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Security Leftovers http://t.co/M0y4KLd9wS	Jul 30 15:38
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Leftovers: OSS http://t.co/dVaCXZIu3b	Jul 30 15:39
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines today's howtos http://t.co/gK1RKByTOo	Jul 30 15:39
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Leftovers: Software http://t.co/h3F4Miy0kn	Jul 30 15:49
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines today's leftovers http://t.co/vgxBaA9HsW	Jul 30 15:49
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines We're happy to announce the general	Jul 30 15:49
TweetTuxMachines	availability of Oracle Linux 6 Update 7, the	Jul 30 15:49
TweetTuxMachines	seventh update release for Oracl...	Jul 30 15:49
TweetTuxMachines	https://t.co/OPLPVqwQot (joindiaspora.com)	Jul 30 15:49
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Announcing the general availability of Oracle	Jul 30 16:04
TweetTuxMachines	Linux 6.7 https://t.co/vM6bm3k2Xp	Jul 30 16:04
TweetTuxMachines	(blogs.oracle.com)	Jul 30 16:04
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-blogs.oracle.com \| Announcing the general availability of Oracle Linux 6.7 (Oracle's Linux Blog)		Jul 30 16:04
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Ubuntu MATE 15.04 Alpha 2 Officially Lands	Jul 30 16:04
TweetTuxMachines	Without Ubuntu Software Center	Jul 30 16:04
TweetTuxMachines	http://t.co/VnGqc7fMbg (news.softpedia.com)	Jul 30 16:04
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Fedora's Rawhide Kernel Adds In KDBUS Support,	Jul 30 16:04
TweetTuxMachines	Ready For Testing http://t.co/NJCkumfPuH	Jul 30 16:04
TweetTuxMachines	(www.phoronix.com)	Jul 30 16:04
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.phoronix.com \| Fedora's Rawhide Kernel Adds In KDBUS Support, Ready For Testing - Phoronix		Jul 30 16:04
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Gnumeric 1.12.23 Open Source Spreadsheet Editor	Jul 30 16:05
TweetTuxMachines	Brings Fuzzed File Hardening	Jul 30 16:05
TweetTuxMachines	http://t.co/LWJV8Ow5rm (news.softpedia.com)	Jul 30 16:05
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DaemonFC	http://www.theregister.co.uk/2015/07/29/windows_10_bug_alert_start_menu_breaks_512_entries/	Jul 30 16:14
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.theregister.co.uk \| MORE Windows 10 bugs! Too many Start menu apps BREAK it • The Register [ http://ur1.ca/nb51f ]		Jul 30 16:14
DaemonFC	If you have more than 512 entries in the Windows 10 start menu, it has a thermonuclear meltdown.	Jul 30 16:14
DaemonFC	Removing some apps won't fix the start menu once you've triggered the bug.	Jul 30 16:15
DaemonFC	https://www.stardock.com/products/start10/	Jul 30 16:17
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.stardock.com \| Start10, the first Windows 10 Start menu alternative! [ http://ur1.ca/nb52q ]		Jul 30 16:17
schestowitz	https://twitter.com/Winterbay_/status/626847645458432000	Jul 30 16:17
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@Winterbay_: @schestowitz @LadyKorenwolf That says an awful lot about the mindset of the shooters and it is a very sad picture it paints.		Jul 30 16:17
DaemonFC	It looks like the replacement Start Menu business will keep booming for Stardock since the one in Windows 10 is garbage.	Jul 30 16:18
schestowitz	do you use that drek?	Jul 30 16:18
DaemonFC	It's on this computer.	Jul 30 16:19
MinceR	:>	Jul 30 16:19
MinceR	can't you just disinfect it?	Jul 30 16:19
DaemonFC	HexChat doesn't appear to know what Windows 10 is.	Jul 30 16:19
DaemonFC	It still reports "Windows 8".	Jul 30 16:19
DaemonFC	Windows 10 has broken Firefox to the point where it's not even usable.	Jul 30 16:19
MinceR	why does it even care?	Jul 30 16:19
DaemonFC	MinceR, It works fine, but if you have a script or something that checks what OS it's on, it'll say Windows 8.	Jul 30 16:19
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Samsung docs detail Linux TRIM bug and fix	Jul 30 16:31
TweetTuxMachines	http://t.co/Eupa9nPeHt (techreport.com)	Jul 30 16:31
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techreport.com \| Samsung docs detail Linux TRIM bug and fix - The Tech Report		Jul 30 16:31
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Upgrading Fedora Easily To Mesa 10.7/Git	Jul 30 16:31
TweetTuxMachines	http://t.co/jJrO7wJ8W3 (www.phoronix.com)	Jul 30 16:31
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.phoronix.com \| Upgrading Fedora Easily To Mesa 10.7/Git - Phoronix		Jul 30 16:31
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines More Reliable Upgrades Hoped For With Fedora 23	Jul 30 16:31
TweetTuxMachines	http://t.co/wViPrIiemV (www.phoronix.com)	Jul 30 16:31
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.phoronix.com \| More Reliable Upgrades Hoped For With Fedora 23 - Phoronix		Jul 30 16:31
DaemonFC	Ryan Farmer	Jul 30 16:36
DaemonFC	Just now ·	Jul 30 16:36
DaemonFC	Apparently, the Windows 10 Hangover is still unfolding.	Jul 30 16:36
DaemonFC	The new error message from the installer is making the rounds as a new internet meme.	Jul 30 16:36
DaemonFC	"Something happened. Something happened."	Jul 30 16:36
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Motorola launches 3 new Android phones with	Jul 30 16:38
TweetTuxMachines	'amazing value' http://t.co/IMu2yArP9h	Jul 30 16:38
TweetTuxMachines	(www.computerworld.com)	Jul 30 16:38
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.computerworld.com \| Motorola launches 3 new Android phones with 'amazing value' \| Computerworld		Jul 30 16:38
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Gionee Pioneer P2M With Android 5.1 Lollipop,	Jul 30 16:38
TweetTuxMachines	3000mAh Battery Launched at Rs. 6,999	Jul 30 16:38
TweetTuxMachines	http://t.co/S858nuh2Sm (gadgets.ndtv.com)	Jul 30 16:38
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-gadgets.ndtv.com \| Gionee Pioneer P2M With Android 5.1 Lollipop, 3000mAh Battery Launched at Rs. 6,999 \| NDTV Gadgets		Jul 30 16:38
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Samsung Galaxy Folder Android Flip Phone With	Jul 30 16:39
TweetTuxMachines	3.8-Inch Display Launched	Jul 30 16:39
TweetTuxMachines	http://t.co/6ljOeyCovb (gadgets.ndtv.com)	Jul 30 16:39
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-gadgets.ndtv.com \| Samsung Galaxy Folder Android Flip Phone With 3.8-Inch Display Launched \| NDTV Gadgets		Jul 30 16:39
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DaemonFC	Ryan Farmer	Jul 30 16:43
DaemonFC	Just now · Spotify ·	Jul 30 16:43
DaemonFC	This should be the official Windows 10 song. "There's something happening here. What is is ain't exactly clear."	Jul 30 16:43
DaemonFC	For What It's Worth, a song by Buffalo Springfield	Jul 30 16:43
DaemonFC	err, *it	Jul 30 16:43
abeNd-org	classic	Jul 30 16:44
MinceR	:)	Jul 30 16:44
msb_	Every "non-lethal" pain-ray weapon that I've read about works by heating the surface of the skin. So it will heat the surface of the corneas, "hard-boil" them, and blind people permanently.	Jul 30 16:48
MinceR	that's what i thought too	Jul 30 16:48
msb_	One of the anti-Linux trolls in comp.os.linux.advocacy works with these weapons, or at least wrote a detailed article about them in a military magazine.	Jul 30 16:49
schestowitz	https://twitter.com/jwildeboer/status/626857852825665536	Jul 30 16:53
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@jwildeboer: .@schestowitz only if you think MSFT == RHT. And http://t.co/pjPlQr9XWj is open about being a Red Hat project. So why you think it's bogus?		Jul 30 16:53
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schestowitz	I just think it's imbalanced in favour of red hat and makes Red Hat look like openstack, opensource, docker authority	Jul 30 16:53
MinceR	which they hope to become via systemd and kdbus	Jul 30 16:54
schestowitz	Imagine a world where every corporation has its own "news" site syndicated by Google News	Jul 30 16:54
schestowitz	MinceR: yeah, that too	Jul 30 16:54
schestowitz	systemd has not been promoted there, yet	Jul 30 16:54
schestowitz	AFAIK	Jul 30 16:54
schestowitz	https://twitter.com/qu1j0t3/status/626858264588865536	Jul 30 16:54
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@qu1j0t3: Actually the battery life is laughable, worse than ever. https://t.co/vQBeUMqYBP		Jul 30 16:54
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz: Increased and improved battery life, more antennas etc. have escalated and popularised the #surveillance aspects of mobile phones		Jul 30 16:54
schestowitz	Poorly used	Jul 30 16:55
schestowitz	https://twitter.com/RamiSilawi/status/626857656582565888	Jul 30 16:56
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@RamiSilawi: @schestowitz iForgot iHave an iTrophy iLike & iFollow whatever and iBuy :)		Jul 30 16:56
MinceR	the crApple logo is still a status symbol among the poor though, apparently	Jul 30 16:57
msb_	Among leftests too, I think.	Jul 30 16:57
msb_	leftists	Jul 30 16:58
msb_	They think Apple is pro-humanity.	Jul 30 16:58
msb_	Thanks to many years of Apple advertising falsely implying that.	Jul 30 16:59
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schestowitz	https://twitter.com/qu1j0t3/status/626860386386608129	Jul 30 17:04
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@qu1j0t3: @schestowitz Can you get three weeks? My Nokia does. Pretty sure it's not smart enough to spy on me, either. http://t.co/U6mQ5kBkUF		Jul 30 17:04
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@qu1j0t3: @schestowitz Can you get three weeks? My Nokia does. Pretty sure it's not smart enough to spy on me, either. http://t.co/U6mQ5kBkUF		Jul 30 17:04
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msb_	Detailed video on US Air Force antigravity flying saucers replicated from alien ones. Video can be downloaded with latest version from http://youtube-dl.org/ -- https://vimeo.com/133170463	Jul 30 17:07
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-vimeo.com \| Zero Point: The Story of Mark McCandlish and the the Fluxliner (HQ) on Vimeo		Jul 30 17:07
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msb_	Use youtube-dl option -f h264-sd to get 500MB version instead of one 4x that size.	Jul 30 17:10
msb_	Used to hate vimeo because it was not downloadable, but no more!	Jul 30 17:11
DaemonFC	J. R. Bob Dobbs (formerly ZOMG Pink Ponies) says:	Jul 30 17:15
DaemonFC	At least it installed and mostly works. It could have been a Mac that froze during the Apple logo and won't start up at all. :)	Jul 30 17:15
DaemonFC	Google "mac freezes at apple logo" and you'll see that it's a recurring problem that has been ongoing since around 2009. Makes you wonder how this "tightly integrated OS and hardware" maker manages to **** their own bootloader during the upgrade process when they own the entire stack from the moment you press the power button. :)	Jul 30 17:15
MinceR	probably the same recipe as m$	Jul 30 17:16
MinceR	spending all their money on lawyers, ads and bribes	Jul 30 17:16
MinceR	and having retarded, incompetent "developers"	Jul 30 17:16
DaemonFC	The OS mostly works, but it feels like beta software that should have been pushed back another 3 months or so.	Jul 30 17:16
MinceR	they took freebsd and made it worse in every conceivable way	Jul 30 17:17
DaemonFC	No, I meant Windows 10.	Jul 30 17:18
DaemonFC	It works, but it's rough around the edges. ;)	Jul 30 17:18
DaemonFC	I absolutely hate the new web browser. It's worse than IE.	Jul 30 17:18
DaemonFC	The start menu bug is basically unforgivable.	Jul 30 17:18
DaemonFC	I think the Firefox issues are mostly the result of bugs in the video drivers.	Jul 30 17:19
MinceR	it's less surprising that winblows sucks, as they started with worse things	Jul 30 17:21
schestowitz	https://twitter.com/JohnitoMusic/status/626864975903129603	Jul 30 17:22
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@JohnitoMusic: Wow. Just f*cking wow. #Windows10 #privacy #violations #keylogger #NSA https://t.co/cdgLtHNjlt & http://t.co/bTqy8ZLKE4 Via @schestowitz		Jul 30 17:22
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: #disturbing privacy defaults in Windows 10 https://jonathan.porta.codes/2015/07/30/windows-10-seems-to-have-some-scary-privacy-defaults/ #vista10 is a monster. http://techrights.org/wiki/index.php/Microsoft_and_the_NSA http://techrights.org/2015/07/30/vista-10-surveillance-machine/		Jul 30 17:22
msb_	https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QPlMmwOq7U8	Jul 30 17:22
msb_	http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QPlMmwOq7U8	Jul 30 17:23
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights--> techrights.org \| Surveillance Machine With a Keylogger: Vista 10 Will Spy on the User (Over the Internet) Even While Playing Games \| Techrights		Jul 30 17:23
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.youtube.com \| "Lawyers, Guns and Money" by Warren Zevon - YouTube [ http://ur1.ca/nb5nw ]		Jul 30 17:23
abeNd-org	just did a fresh install of a retail win81, & it prompted for win10 update even before I got to a login prompt/desktop, & for windows update under optional win10 update was already prechecked... ms really wants you to update to 10	Jul 30 17:25
schestowitz	https://joindiaspora.com/posts/6405496	Jul 30 17:29
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: Currently watching Asian news channel that treats shoplifting of a pack of chocolates by youths as top news. Unbelievable.		Jul 30 17:29
schestowitz	"is this Channel News Asia?"\	Jul 30 17:29
schestowitz	ABS/CBN	Jul 30 17:29
msb_	Is stealing chocolate punishable with death by torture?	Jul 30 17:30
MinceR	of course they want you to downgrade to 10	Jul 30 17:30
MinceR	every time they put out a particularly rotten version, they tried hard to make people move to it	Jul 30 17:30
MinceR	and for a good while, every version was worse than the previous one	Jul 30 17:31
MinceR	vista10 is the worst by far	Jul 30 17:31
msb_	How can the new version be worse? Has MS hired Poettering?	Jul 30 17:31
MinceR	it's much more open about being backdoored spyware	Jul 30 17:32
MinceR	and "updates" are mandatory	Jul 30 17:32
MinceR	even "enterprise" users only get to postpone them for a while	Jul 30 17:32
MinceR	so it's pretty openly a botnet	Jul 30 17:32
msb_	YOU WILL LOVE UPDATES!	Jul 30 17:32
MinceR	YOU WILL LOVE SYSTEMD!	Jul 30 17:32
msb_	WORSE IS BETTER!	Jul 30 17:33
MinceR	WAR IS PEACE!	Jul 30 17:33
msb_	We have always been at war with...well, everybody.	Jul 30 17:34
MinceR	The War On Freedom	Jul 30 17:35
abeNd-org	heh, id almost rather have forced updates than run into school districts still running winxp SP1....afraid to move to sp2 still because of the firewall changes	Jul 30 17:45
MinceR	i don't trust m$ with forced updates	Jul 30 17:45
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DaemonFC	I love this wireless charger.	Jul 30 17:57
MinceR	i'd care about wireless charging more if the nexus 7 (2013) didn't disable wireless charging while it's acting as a usb host	Jul 30 17:57
DaemonFC	I like how it's 2015 and the iPhone 6 doesn't have built-in wireless charging.	Jul 30 18:00
MinceR	it's apparently in part due to their idiotic metal back	Jul 30 18:00
DaemonFC	And if you get a wireless charging case and plug it into the phone charging port, you only have support for Qi, so if you run into a PMA mat somewhere, you can't use it.	Jul 30 18:00
MinceR	probably the only material that's less practical for that purpose than glass	Jul 30 18:01
DaemonFC	The Galaxy S6 supports both.	Jul 30 18:01
schestowitz	https://twitter.com/SleepyPenguin1/status/626874448562552836	Jul 30 18:02
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@SleepyPenguin1: Upgrading to Windows 10 switches your web browser to Edge – and Firefox's CEO is furious @ruskin147 @schestowitz http://t.co/XKVsEUEsby		Jul 30 18:02
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights--> m.theregister.co.uk \| Upgrading to Windows 10 switches your web browser to Edge – and Firefox's CEO is furious • The Register		Jul 30 18:02
MinceR	and this time even the EU won't bother them, most likely	Jul 30 18:03
MinceR	because nobody pretends that antitrust regulation has any force at all	Jul 30 18:03
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines OnePlus 2 offers cutting-edge hardware for	Jul 30 18:07
TweetTuxMachines	under $390… and Android fanboys are still	Jul 30 18:07
TweetTuxMachines	whining about it http://t.co/WszijWC9ZC	Jul 30 18:07
TweetTuxMachines	(bgr.com)	Jul 30 18:07
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/nb61s	Jul 30 18:07
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-bgr.com \| OnePlus 2 specs: No NFC a deal breaker for whining Android fans \| BGR		Jul 30 18:07
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines The best Android smartphone gets better	Jul 30 18:07
TweetTuxMachines	http://t.co/y8Ay5yWiKH (money.cnn.com) "Moto X	Jul 30 18:07
TweetTuxMachines	was the best smartphone of 2014"	Jul 30 18:07
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-money.cnn.com \| The best Android smartphone just got even better - Jul. 28, 2015		Jul 30 18:07
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/nb61t	Jul 30 18:07
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Motorola figured out how to fix the most	Jul 30 18:07
TweetTuxMachines	annoying thing about Android	Jul 30 18:07
TweetTuxMachines	http://t.co/n7WamJa5nO (bgr.com)	Jul 30 18:07
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/nb61u	Jul 30 18:07
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-bgr.com \| Moto X Pure and Moto G Android M Updates might roll out even faster \| BGR		Jul 30 18:07
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DaemonFC	Ryan Farmer	Jul 30 18:12
DaemonFC	Just now ·	Jul 30 18:12
DaemonFC	Windows 10 includes keylogging spyware, on by default.	Jul 30 18:12
DaemonFC	“Send typing and inking data to Microsoft to improve the recognition and suggestion platform.”	Jul 30 18:12
DaemonFC	Uhhh, no?	Jul 30 18:12
schestowitz	https://twitter.com/Zeusoft/status/626877543916929024	Jul 30 18:13
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@Zeusoft: @schestowitz Too much cloud dependent.		Jul 30 18:13
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DaemonFC	Windows has been sending more and more of your information back to Microsoft since XP.	Jul 30 18:14
DaemonFC	So, apparently my phone is affected by Stagefright, and between Samsung and Sprint, I'll be waiting for 30-60 days for the patch, even though Google patched it already.	Jul 30 18:19
DaemonFC	You'd think that carriers and OEMs would want to protect their reputation.	Jul 30 18:19
MinceR	welcome to the wonderful world of mobile/IoT operating systems	Jul 30 18:19
MinceR	and the readonly images that have to be patched whole	Jul 30 18:19
MinceR	redcrap wants to turn GNU/Linux into this too	Jul 30 18:20
MinceR	poettering raves about the concept regularly	Jul 30 18:20
DaemonFC	What happens when malicious payloads start going out and most Android phones are infected by attackers that send SMS messages blindly to random phone numbers?	Jul 30 18:20
MinceR	i think it's obvious why they want this	Jul 30 18:20
MinceR	they'll keep going out and succeeding for years, that's what	Jul 30 18:20
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schestowitz	http://t.co/cEBFVlYYEY	Jul 30 18:27
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.theregister.co.uk \| Windows 10 in head-on crash with Nvidia drivers as world watches launch • The Register		Jul 30 18:27
schestowitz	jgay: just seen your post in FSF site and put that in tuxmachines (my wife did)	Jul 30 18:27
schestowitz	very gently-worded	Jul 30 18:27
schestowitz	target audience must be windows useds....	Jul 30 18:28
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Retro City Rampage DX Parody Game Released For	Jul 30 18:38
TweetTuxMachines	Linux, Some Thoughts On This Nostalgia Trip	Jul 30 18:38
TweetTuxMachines	https://t.co/KyqxE9aMOC (www.gamingonlinux.com)	Jul 30 18:38
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/nb6bh	Jul 30 18:38
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.gamingonlinux.com \| Retro City Rampage DX Parody Game Released For Linux, Some Thoughts On This Nostalgia Trip \| GamingOnLinux		Jul 30 18:38
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Bound By Flame RPG May Get A Linux Version	Jul 30 18:38
TweetTuxMachines	https://t.co/utRTv5gsZu (www.gamingonlinux.com)	Jul 30 18:38
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/nb6bk	Jul 30 18:38
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.gamingonlinux.com \| Bound By Flame RPG May Get A Linux Version \| GamingOnLinux		Jul 30 18:38
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Shadowrun: Hong Kong RPG Arrives On August 20th	Jul 30 18:39
TweetTuxMachines	For Linux https://t.co/GEI8vUlM9n	Jul 30 18:39
TweetTuxMachines	(www.gamingonlinux.com)	Jul 30 18:39
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/nb6bl	Jul 30 18:39
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.gamingonlinux.com \| Shadowrun: Hong Kong RPG Arrives On August 20th For Linux \| GamingOnLinux		Jul 30 18:39
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Linux-powered smart sniper rifle can be hacked	Jul 30 18:39
TweetTuxMachines	http://t.co/h7d1tGuSS7 (www.tuxmachines.org)	Jul 30 18:39
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/nb6bn	Jul 30 18:39
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org \| Linux-powered smart sniper rifle can be hacked \| Tux Machines		Jul 30 18:39
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Ubuntu Kylin 15.10 Alpha 2 Is Out for Testing	Jul 30 18:39
TweetTuxMachines	with Linux Kernel 4.1, More	Jul 30 18:39
TweetTuxMachines	http://t.co/hjzdFw1McR (www.tuxmachines.org)	Jul 30 18:39
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/nb6bo	Jul 30 18:39
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org \| Ubuntu Kylin 15.10 Alpha 2 Is Out for Testing with Linux Kernel 4.1, More \| Tux Machines		Jul 30 18:39
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Lubuntu 15.10 Alpha 2 Is Ready for Download,	Jul 30 18:39
TweetTuxMachines	Still Using the LXDE Desktop Environment	Jul 30 18:39
TweetTuxMachines	http://t.co/U90yQpqlMt (www.tuxmachines.org)	Jul 30 18:39
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/nb6bp	Jul 30 18:39
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org \| Lubuntu 15.10 Alpha 2 Is Ready for Download, Still Using the LXDE Desktop Environment \| Tux Machines		Jul 30 18:39
MinceR	and here's an attempt at damage control which doesn't seem to actually fix anything >> http://www.ghacks.net/2015/07/27/microsoft-releases-tool-to-block-windows-10-updates/	Jul 30 18:41
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.ghacks.net \| Microsoft releases tool to block Windows 10 updates - gHacks Tech News [ http://ur1.ca/nb6cr ]		Jul 30 18:41
jgay	schestowitz on Canonical?	Jul 30 18:41
MinceR	"temporarily"	Jul 30 18:41
MinceR	"Note: Windows displays only updates on the next page that are not installed already. This means that you need to remove an update through other means before you can hide (block) it with the help of this tool."	Jul 30 18:42
MinceR	and this is after ed bought put the sugarcoat on it	Jul 30 18:42
jgay	schestowitz, I'm signing off now, but if you have any qustions let me know.	Jul 30 18:42
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines More AMD Radeon R9 Fury Linux Benchmarks	Jul 30 18:46
TweetTuxMachines	http://t.co/IxKsQlu0jZ (www.tuxmachines.org)	Jul 30 18:46
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/nb6e8	Jul 30 18:46
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org \| More AMD Radeon R9 Fury Linux Benchmarks \| Tux Machines		Jul 30 18:46
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines The FSF's statement on Windows 10	Jul 30 18:46
TweetTuxMachines	http://t.co/AGaYO58CKn (www.tuxmachines.org)	Jul 30 18:46
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/nb6e9	Jul 30 18:46
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org \| The FSF's statement on Windows 10 \| Tux Machines		Jul 30 18:46
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Middle-earth: Shadow Of Mordor Released For	Jul 30 18:46
TweetTuxMachines	Linux, We Love You Feral Interactive	Jul 30 18:46
TweetTuxMachines	https://t.co/qEQWzUIz1k (www.gamingonlinux.com)	Jul 30 18:46
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/nb6eb	Jul 30 18:46
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.gamingonlinux.com \| Middle-earth: Shadow Of Mordor Released For Linux, We Love You Feral Interactive \| GamingOnLinux		Jul 30 18:46
DaemonFC	It also hijacks your internet connection to serve other PCs updates.	Jul 30 18:50
DaemonFC	Saves Microsoft money.	Jul 30 18:50
DaemonFC	Windows 10 seems to have a lot of features that are bordering on malware.	Jul 30 18:51
MinceR	also helps circumvent corporate firewalls that were set up to prevent m$ from fucking up their configurations	Jul 30 18:51
MinceR	i don't think this is "bordering" anymore	Jul 30 18:51
MinceR	earlier versions were perhaps "bordering" on malware	Jul 30 18:51
MinceR	vista10 is clearly malware	Jul 30 18:51
MinceR	just like skype	Jul 30 18:51
MinceR	and just like hypeOS	Jul 30 18:52
MinceR	i wonder when we can expect a similar statement from the FSF on systemd	Jul 30 18:58
schestowitz	https://twitter.com/sblaydes/status/626888619928612864	Jul 30 19:01
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@sblaydes: Nice to see @Linode sponsoring the @debian LTS efforts. https://t.co/QrCaHA964h h/t:@schestowitz		Jul 30 19:01
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights--> raphaelhertzog.com \| Freexian’s report about Debian Long Term Support, June 2015		Jul 30 19:01
schestowitz	MinceR: systemDistribute	Jul 30 19:05
schestowitz	"it's free software"	Jul 30 19:05
schestowitz	they "share"	Jul 30 19:06
schestowitz	the patches	Jul 30 19:06
MinceR	yeah, it's "free software" like the obfuscated nv driver was	Jul 30 19:06
msb_	Could Microsoft shut down all Windows 10 computers by transmitting one command over the botnet? Suppose the government wanted to do that because it had done something like cancelling the elections.	Jul 30 19:10
MinceR	it looks like they certainly could	Jul 30 19:11
MinceR	maybe "enterprise" users could delay it for a set period	Jul 30 19:11
MinceR	then again, the language about DRM updates in previous EULAs suggests that they could do this previously too	Jul 30 19:11
schestowitz	they could do anything	Jul 30 19:13
schestowitz	there are always some zero-days	Jul 30 19:13
schestowitz	which makes you wonder what NSA could do at times of major war	Jul 30 19:13
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Bodhi in Fedora 23 is Ready	Jul 30 19:13
TweetTuxMachines	http://t.co/Y3ivfMAEEt (leinfeva.tumblr.com)	Jul 30 19:13
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/nb6ma	Jul 30 19:13
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-leinfeva.tumblr.com \| Lêínfeva — Bodhi in Fedora 23 is Ready		Jul 30 19:13
schestowitz	if china or russia, for example, STILL had some Windows lying around	Jul 30 19:13
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines "here comes a report about the work of paid	Jul 30 19:13
TweetTuxMachines	contributors to #Debian LTS."	Jul 30 19:13
TweetTuxMachines	https://t.co/8bp6vnkoBf (raphaelhertzog.com)	Jul 30 19:13
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/nb6mb	Jul 30 19:13
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Skullgirls Now In Closed Beta For Linux, Here	Jul 30 19:13
TweetTuxMachines	Are My Thoughts & A Video	Jul 30 19:13
TweetTuxMachines	https://t.co/z2QIAK37at (www.gamingonlinux.com)	Jul 30 19:13
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/nb6mf	Jul 30 19:13
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.gamingonlinux.com \| Skullgirls Now In Closed Beta For Linux, Here Are My Thoughts & A Video \| GamingOnLinux		Jul 30 19:13
schestowitz	At war you don't need to obey EULA	Jul 30 19:13
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MinceR	ooh, debian long term "support"	Jul 30 19:15
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MinceR	https://lists.debian.org/debian-lts/2015/07/msg00080.html	Jul 30 19:15
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-lists.debian.org \| Re: Suspend failing [ http://ur1.ca/nb6mr ]		Jul 30 19:15
MinceR	what a joke.	Jul 30 19:15
msb_	I think the psychopaths that run the Western governments, and the ones that run the banking, weapons, pharma, media, etc., corporations are organized in a loose alliance. Their enemies/victims are the people of the world.	Jul 30 19:17
msb_	enemies/victims/slaves	Jul 30 19:18
msb_	enemies/victims/slaves/targets	Jul 30 19:19
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msb_	So does Microsoft==RedHat? Basically, yes.	Jul 30 19:20
*TweetTuxMachines @unixstickers favourited '"here comes a report about the work of...'		Jul 30 19:24
*TweetTuxMachines @barleyman23 followed @tuxmachines		Jul 30 19:24
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Linux-powered smart sniper rifle can be hacked	Jul 30 19:29
TweetTuxMachines	http://t.co/wLAfRJerpW (www.geek.com) company	Jul 30 19:29
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.geek.com \| Linux-powered smart sniper rifle can be hacked \| Apps and Software \| Geek.com		Jul 30 19:29
TweetTuxMachines	behind it defunct, no?	Jul 30 19:29
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/nb6rd	Jul 30 19:29
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Ubuntu Kylin 15.10 Alpha 2 Is Out for Testing	Jul 30 19:29
TweetTuxMachines	with Linux Kernel 4.1, More	Jul 30 19:29
TweetTuxMachines	http://t.co/NioJPykZ5A (news.softpedia.com)	Jul 30 19:29
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/nb6re	Jul 30 19:29
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-news.softpedia.com \| Ubuntu Kylin 15.10 Alpha 2 Is Out for Testing with Linux Kernel 4.1, More - Softpedia		Jul 30 19:29
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Lubuntu 15.10 Alpha 2 Is Ready for Download,	Jul 30 19:29
TweetTuxMachines	Still Using the LXDE Desktop Environment	Jul 30 19:29
TweetTuxMachines	http://t.co/SCXN6wluaj (linux.softpedia.com)	Jul 30 19:29
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/nb6rf	Jul 30 19:29
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-linux.softpedia.com \| Lubuntu 15.10 Alpha 2 Is Ready for Download, Still Using the LXDE Desktop Environment - Softpedia		Jul 30 19:29
schestowitz	DaemonFC: https://twitter.com/iridesce57/status/626897076216070145	Jul 30 19:30
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@iridesce57: @schestowitz lol, good luck with that		Jul 30 19:30
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schestowitz	https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/626885819412946944	Jul 30 19:30
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz: #us in 2015 bans #freesw use http://t.co/zsKLOI6tGV #fcc		Jul 30 19:30
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights--> www.infoq.com \| FCC Rules Block use of Open Source		Jul 30 19:30
schestowitz	ESR foresaw this	Jul 30 19:30
schestowitz	trying to make FOSS illegal by government	Jul 30 19:34
schestowitz	https://twitter.com/opendna/status/626898261543137280	Jul 30 19:34
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@opendna: @schestowitz The biggest "mafia" in town are Western governments, and journalists get killed for writing that up. Whistleblowers? LOL		Jul 30 19:34
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msb_	That video I wrote about antigravity aircraft mentions several alternative-energy researchers who were murdered. The man who made the video was murdered. And this article about the new inexpensive cancer remedy GcMAF mentions several doctors using it who were murdered. Is it paranoid to think that govt or corporations killed these people? Governments and corporations routinely murder _millions_ of people, e.g., in Afghanistan, Iraq,	Jul 30 19:36
msb_	Libya, and Syria.	Jul 30 19:36
msb_	http://www.naturalnews.com/050582_nagalase_GcMAF_cancer_industry_profits.html	Jul 30 19:36
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.naturalnews.com \| REVEALED: Cancer industry profits 'locked in' by nagalase molecule injected into humans via vaccines... spurs tumor growth... explains aggressive vaccine push - NaturalNews.com [ http://ur1.ca/nb6td ]		Jul 30 19:36
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schestowitz	https://twitter.com/opendna/status/626899153487052800	Jul 30 19:37
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@opendna: @schestowitz You think that's bad? Chevron sent SecState Clinton to overturn the will of the people on fracking.		Jul 30 19:37
msb_	http://www.mintpressnews.com/california-using-recycled-fracking-water-to-irrigate-crops/207377/	Jul 30 19:42
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.mintpressnews.com \| California Using Recycled Fracking Water To Irrigate Crops [ http://ur1.ca/nb6v2 ]		Jul 30 19:42
msb_	Contains acetone, benzene and hydrocarbons.	Jul 30 19:42
msb_	Bon apetit!	Jul 30 19:43
msb_	Probably appetit, but you'd be safer sucking from an ape's tit.	Jul 30 19:44
DaemonFC	"This is the FBI. We've locked your computer because of illegal porn and terrorist activity. If you don't pay us a $200 fine by prepaid visa card, we will arrest you!"	Jul 30 20:19
DaemonFC	:)	Jul 30 20:19
DaemonFC	How do people get fooled by this kind of stuff?	Jul 30 20:20
MinceR	if the governments weren't so corrupt, perhaps this stuff would also be less believable	Jul 30 20:21
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MinceR	i would have appreciated some information about 1) how this affects the crops and 2) whether the crops take up these hydrocarbons from the soil	Jul 30 21:05
MinceR	(considering that they are not water-soluble)	Jul 30 21:05
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msb_	Well, it's a start. You can do some research.	Jul 30 21:34
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines More AMD Radeon R9 Fury Linux Benchmarks	Jul 30 21:41
TweetTuxMachines	http://t.co/cOJTLpD4Uv (www.phoronix.com)	Jul 30 21:41
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/nb7qt	Jul 30 21:41
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.phoronix.com \| More AMD Radeon R9 Fury Linux Benchmarks - Phoronix		Jul 30 21:41
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines It's Been Three Years Since "GNOME 4.0" Was	Jul 30 21:41
TweetTuxMachines	Proposed http://t.co/aa6JPdZl2C	Jul 30 21:41
TweetTuxMachines	(www.phoronix.com)	Jul 30 21:41
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.phoronix.com \| It's Been Three Years Since "GNOME 4.0" Was Proposed - Phoronix		Jul 30 21:41
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/nb7qu	Jul 30 21:41
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines It's Been Three Years Since "GNOME 4.0" Was	Jul 30 21:41
TweetTuxMachines	Proposed http://t.co/K5EMa4zxe2	Jul 30 21:41
TweetTuxMachines	(www.tuxmachines.org)	Jul 30 21:41
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org \| It's Been Three Years Since "GNOME 4.0" Was Proposed \| Tux Machines		Jul 30 21:41
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/nb7qw	Jul 30 21:41
MinceR	apparently i was wrong about solubility	Jul 30 21:46
MinceR	"Benzene is slightly soluble in water" http://www.atsdr.cdc.gov/phs/phs.asp?id=37&tid=14#bookmark02	Jul 30 21:47
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.atsdr.cdc.gov \| NO TITLE [ http://ur1.ca/nb7t8 ]		Jul 30 21:47
MinceR	acetone is also miscible in water https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Acetone	Jul 30 21:54
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-en.wikipedia.org \| Acetone - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia		Jul 30 21:54
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DaemonFC	http://www.theregister.co.uk/2015/04/30/microsoft_edge_sucks/	Jul 30 21:57
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.theregister.co.uk \| Who thinks Microsoft Edge SUCKS? Erm, Microsoft • The Register [ http://ur1.ca/nb7w9 ]		Jul 30 21:57
DaemonFC	Microsoft relaunched Internet Explorer this week as "Edge" – and the software behemoth appears already prepared to accept that its super new browser may absolutely suck.	Jul 30 21:58
DaemonFC	At the same time as the new name was announced at its Build conference in San Francisco, the Redmond biz instructed brand protection company MarkMonitor to register a number of domain names, including:	Jul 30 21:58
DaemonFC	MicrosoftEdgeSucks.com	Jul 30 21:58
DaemonFC	MSEdgeSucks.com	Jul 30 21:58
DaemonFC	MSFTEdgeSucks.com	Jul 30 21:58
DaemonFC	WhyEdgeSucks.com	Jul 30 21:58
DaemonFC	Ryan Farmer	Jul 30 21:58
DaemonFC	1 min ·	Jul 30 21:58
DaemonFC	Microsoft planned for the response to the new Microsoft Edge web browser. The thing is so gimped and basic that it feels like you're using Chrome 3. tongue emoticon	Jul 30 21:58
DaemonFC	They registered domains like MicrosoftEdgeSucks.com to prevent people from taking them out and co	Jul 30 21:58
DaemonFC	complaining about what a steaming pile of crap it is.	Jul 30 21:59
DaemonFC	http://www.seattletimes.com/seattle-news/politics/budget-deal-packed-in-tax-hike-for-microsoft/	Jul 30 22:35
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.seattletimes.com \| State budget deal includes tax increase for Microsoft \| The Seattle Times [ http://ur1.ca/nb86c ]		Jul 30 22:35
DaemonFC	schestowitz, Washington State is going to tax Microsoft, it seems.	Jul 30 22:36
msb_	Turns out I have RT (Russia Today) on my TV cable. I just turned it on, and there's a guy on, telling how the FDA has lied for years about GMO food, claiming it had no evidence of harm, when they had lots of reports from their own scientists, which they ignored.	Jul 30 22:36
DaemonFC	"They haven’t advertised it, but the budget deal agreed to by state lawmakers this week quietly targeted Microsoft for a $57 million tax increase over the next two years."	Jul 30 22:36
DaemonFC	Ryan Farmer	Jul 30 22:40
DaemonFC	Just now ·	Jul 30 22:40
DaemonFC	One of the most serious issues with Microsoft Edge is not having a built-in content blocker, which can be used to stop it from downloading malicious ads and scripts.	Jul 30 22:40
DaemonFC	There's even an Adblock filter for Firefox and Chrome that specifically targets thousands of malicious websites.	Jul 30 22:40
DaemonFC	I think that they should factor that into the equation. You can't get malware from a site that's simply not allowed to download anything to your computer.	Jul 30 22:40
DaemonFC	http://www.komando.com/happening-now/318789/the-new-microsoft-browser-has-brand-new-security-issues	Jul 30 22:40
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.komando.com \| The new Microsoft browser has brand new security issues \| Komando.com [ http://ur1.ca/nb87v ]		Jul 30 22:40
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DaemonFC	Johann Fritz says:	Jul 30 23:00
DaemonFC	Corporate tax rates are high. I suggest lowering them to allow repatriation.	Jul 30 23:00
DaemonFC	J. R. Bob Dobbs (formerly ZOMG Pink Ponies) says:	Jul 30 23:00
DaemonFC	I suggest giving them until next Tuesday before the IRS comes for their office furniture.	Jul 30 23:00
msb_	Their first-born children should be worth something too.	Jul 30 23:40
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msb_	They can also be given free room and board in the Graybar Hotel.	Jul 30 23:41
DaemonFC	LMAO	Jul 31 00:03
DaemonFC	Someone got a no-name 30-pin charging cable on Amazon for their iPhone....	Jul 31 00:05
DaemonFC	It caught fire and burned their iPhone charging port out.	Jul 31 00:08
DaemonFC	There's a great picture of it, I just can't find the link to the image.	Jul 31 00:08
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cubexyz	there's been some Linux bashing on slashdot of late	Jul 31 01:32
cubexyz	could be M$ shills	Jul 31 01:32
cubexyz	not to say there isn't M$ bashing	Jul 31 01:33
cubexyz	it's interesting that very few folks mention BSD at all	Jul 31 01:34
oiaohm	I have had weston running on X11 a bit recently.	Jul 31 01:40
oiaohm	Nvidia closed source drivers cannot do weston without X11 yet.	Jul 31 01:40
cubexyz	what about remotes GUI logins?	Jul 31 01:41
cubexyz	you still need X11 for those	Jul 31 01:41
oiaohm	Not exactly weston will sit on vnc and rdp	Jul 31 01:42
cubexyz	I'm not understanding the purpose of wayland	Jul 31 01:51
cubexyz	and I do write xlib programs	Jul 31 01:53
oiaohm	https://wiki.tizen.org/wiki/Weston_RDP_access	Jul 31 01:54
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-wiki.tizen.org \| Weston RDP access - Tizen Wiki [ http://ur1.ca/nb9t5 ]		Jul 31 01:54
oiaohm	Ok RDP support for weston and other waylands are not in mainline debian yet.	Jul 31 01:54
oiaohm	wayland comes out of the fact the X11 design become a mess.	Jul 31 01:55
oiaohm	Remote GUI logins don't have to be X11.	Jul 31 01:56
cubexyz	X is a historically networked oriented design	Jul 31 01:57
oiaohm	X11 was also not design in a time that OS security was required.	Jul 31 01:58
oiaohm	Under wayland an application can only see the windows it starts.	Jul 31 01:59
oiaohm	Unless it has special permission.	Jul 31 01:59
oiaohm	So random programs cannot screen capture under wayland.	Jul 31 01:59
oiaohm	Random programs cannot give other applications input under wayland.	Jul 31 02:00
cubexyz	for example:	Jul 31 02:00
cubexyz	ssh -X cubeman@server /usr/X11R6/bin/Xnest :1 -query localhost	Jul 31 02:00
cubexyz	that's how I can do a GUI login to the server	Jul 31 02:01
cubexyz	the ssh part takes care of the security element	Jul 31 02:01
oiaohm	RDP can take care of the encryption itself and you can use the ssh to port forwards rdp.	Jul 31 02:01
oiaohm	So more than 1 way to skin cat cubexyz	Jul 31 02:02
cubexyz	surely is	Jul 31 02:02
cubexyz	but it's faster without using vnc	Jul 31 02:02
oiaohm	xfreerdp could have been used instead of xnext with x11.	Jul 31 02:02
oiaohm	Wayland basically does not stop remote graphical. Question is performance.	Jul 31 02:03
cubexyz	it still makes sense to learn the older methods as there are a lot of old servers out there	Jul 31 02:03
oiaohm	Wayland is about fixing up the bugs.	Jul 31 02:03
oiaohm	of X11	Jul 31 02:03
oiaohm	Where xinput can be written by infact every application.	Jul 31 02:04
oiaohm	Worse read by every application.	Jul 31 02:04
oiaohm	So the secure password input is not that secure.	Jul 31 02:04
oiaohm	cubexyz: basically the faults in X11 design are that huge that fixing them is going to break applications anyhow.	Jul 31 02:05
oiaohm	Now other thay wayland using like rdp/vnc back ends.	Jul 31 02:06
oiaohm	QT and GTK are implementing html5 backends.	Jul 31 02:06
oiaohm	So port forwards that port that the graphical application is on and use web browser to interface with graphical application on server.	Jul 31 02:07
oiaohm	I know that a lot but its becoming remote html5 can do better than X11 could same with wayland with some backend.	Jul 31 02:08
oiaohm	cubexyz: sad as it sound using X11 is more bloated than using html5 to send the same thing.	Jul 31 02:13
cubexyz	haha got a blank screen for twm	Jul 31 02:19
cubexyz	thought something was wrong then I remembered twm does show a blank screen with the mouse pointer	Jul 31 02:19
cubexyz	way faster than remote gui login with gnome	Jul 31 02:20
cubexyz	ssh -XC is also better	Jul 31 02:21
oiaohm	cubexyz: remember you require the target machine to have X11 installed to use X11 forwarding.	Jul 31 02:27
oiaohm	https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fr8eo4RlPw4	Jul 31 02:27
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.youtube.com \| GTK+3 With Broadway (HTML5) Backend Enabled In Ubuntu - YouTube [ http://ur1.ca/nba2s ]		Jul 31 02:27
oiaohm	Stuff like this you are only looking for a web browser.	Jul 31 02:27
oiaohm	Or http://freerdp.net/ rdp	Jul 31 02:29
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-freerdp.net \| About FreeRDP-WebConnect		Jul 31 02:29
oiaohm	cubexyz: yes there are reason why I have got to understand the RDP side.	Jul 31 02:30
cubexyz	oiaohm, konsole is horribly slow via remote	Jul 31 02:30
cubexyz	xterm is nice and fast	Jul 31 02:31
oiaohm	Anything using opengl screwed up badly in X11 remote.	Jul 31 02:31
oiaohm	wayland rdp is looking into image rendering on server GPU instead of forwarding opengl instructions.	Jul 31 02:32
cubexyz	I bet the wayland folks won't test on old hardware	Jul 31 02:32
oiaohm	wayland is lighter on ram than X11	Jul 31 02:33
cubexyz	which era of X11? :)	Jul 31 02:35
oiaohm	Every one. Why X11 has the require for 1 large image the size of all your screens.	Jul 31 02:35
oiaohm	Wayland does not have this stupid requirement.	Jul 31 02:36
cubexyz	couldn't you do a black & white login to save ram?	Jul 31 02:36
oiaohm	No X11 demard a bitmap.	Jul 31 02:36
oiaohm	its what you access to take a X11 screen shot.	Jul 31 02:36
oiaohm	Yes there is a very good reason why wayland restricts what applications can take screenshots as a image of the desktop full only has to be produced when some applicaiton is truly wanting it.	Jul 31 02:37
cubexyz	but X11 run on 80s hardware	Jul 31 02:38
cubexyz	so it must have been faster in the past to manage that	Jul 31 02:38
cubexyz	well, late 80s at least	Jul 31 02:38
oiaohm	This is not being faster.	Jul 31 02:38
cubexyz	think of the memory limitations of 1989	Jul 31 02:39
oiaohm	Why wayland can get away with generate the desktop image on need is faster hardware.	Jul 31 02:39
oiaohm	cubexyz: screen res of the 1989 were large in most cases.	Jul 31 02:39
cubexyz	so if I have an interest in old computers I have to keep X11	Jul 31 02:40
cubexyz	correct?	Jul 31 02:40
oiaohm	And people were not wanting to run 12 to 16 screens off the one computer.	Jul 31 02:40
oiaohm	Old computer weak gpu most likely never be wayland compadible.	Jul 31 02:41
cubexyz	oiaohm, old computers could probably handle 12 tty terms	Jul 31 02:42
oiaohm	cubexyz: but that would be text not graphical right.	Jul 31 02:43
oiaohm	http://wayland.freedesktop.org/architecture.html	Jul 31 02:43
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cubexyz	yes of course	Jul 31 02:43
oiaohm	cubexyz: wayland is built around the presume you have EGL support in your card	Jul 31 02:43
cubexyz	some microvaxes didn't have a frame buffer :)	Jul 31 02:44
oiaohm	Or at least enough cpu processing power to emulate egl.	Jul 31 02:44
cubexyz	I think responsive is important	Jul 31 02:44
cubexyz	responsiveness	Jul 31 02:44
oiaohm	So wayland is lighter on ram requirements than X11 but heavier in GPU requirements.	Jul 31 02:44
oiaohm	Also wayland reduced the traffice required between the server and the application.	Jul 31 02:45
oiaohm	So in that way increases responsiveness.	Jul 31 02:45
oiaohm	cubexyz: basically there are a lot of good things about wayland there are a few downsides	Jul 31 02:46
cubexyz	only from a modern monster GPU perspective	Jul 31 02:47
oiaohm	Please note I said EGL not EGL followed by any numbers.	Jul 31 02:47
cubexyz	I can't seem to clipboard into remote twm :-/	Jul 31 02:47
oiaohm	NVIDIA NV1 1995-1996 card has enough to do wayland.	Jul 31 02:48
oiaohm	Even old voodoos	Jul 31 02:48
oiaohm	cubexyz: I don't think monster is exactly right.	Jul 31 02:49
cubexyz	have you actually tried wayland on 1995 technology?	Jul 31 02:49
cubexyz	wow twm is pretty fast, I'm liking this	Jul 31 02:50
cubexyz	it figures one of the oldest wm's would also be the fastest	Jul 31 02:51
oiaohm	http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=MTQ3ODQ << I have not run weston/wayland on old hardware but the directfb guys have.	Jul 31 02:53
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oiaohm	The main thing wayland is needing is a gpu that can take a texture(image of window) and place it where it told and sort out front to back order.	Jul 31 02:53
oiaohm	X11 did all that stuff in software.	Jul 31 02:54
cubexyz	what if I'm on a 486 with an ATI VGA wonder card?	Jul 31 02:54
cubexyz	probably too old	Jul 31 02:54
cubexyz	just trying to cover all the bases	Jul 31 02:54
oiaohm	That might in fact work.	Jul 31 02:54
oiaohm	Don't know if directfb support ati vga wonder.	Jul 31 02:54
oiaohm	http://directfb.org/index.php?path=Support%2FGraphics	Jul 31 02:56
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-directfb.org \| directfb.org \| Support \| Graphics [ http://ur1.ca/nbabm ]		Jul 31 02:56
oiaohm	Ok what is ati vga wonder card is it in that list.	Jul 31 02:57
oiaohm	Bascially this is scraping the bottom of barrel to run weston.	Jul 31 02:57
cubexyz	well maybe some crazy person could add it	Jul 31 02:58
cubexyz	mach64 looks like the oldest video card	Jul 31 02:58
cubexyz	interesting that my ATI VGA wonder card still works when many many modern cards have failed	Jul 31 02:59
cubexyz	I think there's a lesson there	Jul 31 02:59
oiaohm	mach64 is 1990	Jul 31 02:59
oiaohm	I would say wayland requires a modern gpu. With modern being post 1990 and decent.	Jul 31 03:00
oiaohm	Fairly much any gpu post year 2000 is fine.	Jul 31 03:00
oiaohm	Only issue is likes of Nvidia where there closed source driver demards X11 running.	Jul 31 03:01
oiaohm	Now its not wayland or weston that are going to hurt its going to be the likes of KDE and GNOME that you would look out for having insane spec requirements.	Jul 31 03:03
cubexyz	they did patch bash 2.05	Jul 31 03:04
cubexyz	I might want to use the remote login more often now that I have a faster way to do things	Jul 31 03:05
oiaohm	cubexyz: I don't know of a video card prior to 1990 that had gpu	Jul 31 03:06
oiaohm	wait	Jul 31 03:07
oiaohm	brain I was forgetting amiga	Jul 31 03:07
cubexyz	what about the motorola 6845 chip?	Jul 31 03:08
oiaohm	https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blitter	Jul 31 03:09
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-en.wikipedia.org \| Blitter - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia		Jul 31 03:09
cubexyz	too old? not a GPU? :)	Jul 31 03:09
oiaohm	Before GPU we have beasts that have Blitters	Jul 31 03:09
oiaohm	And the blitter only start appearing mid 1980s	Jul 31 03:10
oiaohm	Some of those blitters might be convincable to do EGL.	Jul 31 03:10
cubexyz	yes the Amiga 1000 had the angus chip	Jul 31 03:10
cubexyz	so I guess that must be considered a GPU	Jul 31 03:10
oiaohm	Difference between a blitter and a GPU is GPU contains 3d maths bilter is 2d only.	Jul 31 03:11
oiaohm	So Amiga 1000 is a bilitter.	Jul 31 03:12
oiaohm	Everything weston wants is 2d operations.	Jul 31 03:13
cubexyz	I feel constrained to point out that my old hardware seems to last a lot longer than the new stuff	Jul 31 03:13
oiaohm	cubexyz: its heat	Jul 31 03:13
oiaohm	And silcon size.	Jul 31 03:13
cubexyz	PDP-10s could overheat	Jul 31 03:13
cubexyz	I remember that	Jul 31 03:14
oiaohm	Smaller the nm the lower the resistance to heat.	Jul 31 03:14
oiaohm	Like some sat chips are still 140nm	Jul 31 03:14
cubexyz	so you agree that old computers (not ancient) had some advantages?	Jul 31 03:14
oiaohm	Not exactly.	Jul 31 03:14
oiaohm	140nm is a chip you can buy new today.	Jul 31 03:15
oiaohm	Hardware built to last is hardware built to last does not matter if it modern or old.	Jul 31 03:15
oiaohm	Like CPU/GPU getting to 80C+ plus and needing massive cooling were never going to last.	Jul 31 03:15
cubexyz	but can you get a GPU that doesn't get hot?	Jul 31 03:16
oiaohm	From a silcon stablity point of view you don't want to be crossing 50C	Jul 31 03:16
oiaohm	That is exactly the point you don't have to choose modern parts that age going to bake themselves to death.	Jul 31 03:17
cubexyz	I guess you have to hand it to the NASA engineers for Voyager 1, operating for 37 years and still communicates with Earth	Jul 31 03:17
oiaohm	You have to remember NASA engineers are building stuff now that will last as long as voyager 1	Jul 31 03:18
cubexyz	oiaohm, yes I realize that but I still don't know which video card to get for lastability	Jul 31 03:18
cubexyz	motherboard I have a good idea	Jul 31 03:19
oiaohm	Most of my video cards I get good life out of.	Jul 31 03:19
oiaohm	Mostly because I get themoal profile information.	Jul 31 03:19
oiaohm	And don't buy top permance.	Jul 31 03:19
oiaohm	Buy acceptable performance with low heat profile.	Jul 31 03:19
cubexyz	I don't want to mess around with thermal paste	Jul 31 03:20
oiaohm	Mid to bottom Nvidia have that.	Jul 31 03:20
oiaohm	I have never modified a video card cubexyz	Jul 31 03:20
oiaohm	So many video cards are overclocked to win performance points it not funny.	Jul 31 03:21
cubexyz	heat sink I can live with	Jul 31 03:21
oiaohm	Mid to bottom market they more care about getting the card produced cheeper.	Jul 31 03:21
cubexyz	giant fans going Whurrrrr all day I don't want	Jul 31 03:21
oiaohm	My gpu have had fans.	Jul 31 03:22
oiaohm	I do take a aircompesssor to my computer ever 12 months.	Jul 31 03:22
oiaohm	The sping clean.	Jul 31 03:22
cubexyz	how old is your computer?	Jul 31 03:22
oiaohm	Current one about 8 years.	Jul 31 03:23
oiaohm	Video card is newer.	Jul 31 03:23
oiaohm	From memory video card is 2008	Jul 31 03:23
oiaohm	Motherboard is 2004	Jul 31 03:23
oiaohm	Harddrives all over the place.	Jul 31 03:23
cubexyz	so really you're not continually upgrading	Jul 31 03:24
oiaohm	I upgrade when it breaks or annoys me too much.	Jul 31 03:24
oiaohm	Like Nvidia binary drives not supporting my video card simply any more.	Jul 31 03:24
oiaohm	Since my motherboard is 10 years old I am considering replaceing it.	Jul 31 03:25
oiaohm	cubexyz: I am 100 percent not on the windows tredmill. I am still on a Linux supported treadmil.	Jul 31 03:26
oiaohm	Ie once something gets 10 years old Linux support starts dropping.	Jul 31 03:26
cubexyz	haha	Jul 31 03:26
oiaohm	Also the 10 constant usage stuff starts getting upset.	Jul 31 03:27
cubexyz	well it would be interesting to see how long my server lasts	Jul 31 03:28
cubexyz	17 years so far	Jul 31 03:28
cubexyz	uptime is 265 days (last reboot was utility power failure)	Jul 31 03:29
oiaohm	I forgot I had replaced the GPU a little more recently.	Jul 31 03:29
oiaohm	May 15, 2012 is the current GPU.	Jul 31 03:29
oiaohm	cubexyz: I just looked at my service sheet	Jul 31 03:30
oiaohm	The prior card died from lizard in fan.	Jul 31 03:30
cubexyz	I can't seem to have multiple gui logins	Jul 31 03:31
cubexyz	so I'll create a new user for just remote logins	Jul 31 03:32
oiaohm	xsession file.	Jul 31 03:32
oiaohm	Yes annoynance of X11	Jul 31 03:32
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oiaohm	cubexyz: http://unix.stackexchange.com/questions/47359/what-is-xsession-for	Jul 31 03:34
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oiaohm	cubexyz: yes X11 is also designed with the idea a user will only be logged in 1 at a time.	Jul 31 03:35
oiaohm	cubexyz: yes it possible to make user login work more than once but its not highly recommended.	Jul 31 03:35
cubexyz	only graphical logins	Jul 31 03:35
cubexyz	multiple text logins are fine	Jul 31 03:35
oiaohm	Yep.	Jul 31 03:35
oiaohm	text side of Unix was designed with multi user in mind.	Jul 31 03:35
oiaohm	wayland is also designed with the multi user in mind	Jul 31 03:36
oiaohm	Fairly much X11 is broken.	Jul 31 03:36
oiaohm	Remember wayland lead developer is also a lead x.org developer who attempted for 4 years to fix X11 before going stuff it.	Jul 31 03:37
oiaohm	cubexyz: the more you play with X11 the more its annoying limitations show up.	Jul 31 03:37
oiaohm	Worse is most of those limitations are written into the protocol.	Jul 31 03:38
cubexyz	w only shows usernames up to 8 characters	Jul 31 03:40
cubexyz	exiting a program does seem a bit awkward in twm	Jul 31 03:42
cubexyz	but remote logins are faster than they have ever been	Jul 31 03:43
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schestowitz	https://twitter.com/RamiSilawi/status/626910436680704001	Jul 31 03:45
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@RamiSilawi: Will @ubuntu stay real #linux ? Don't lose innovation but ever never the #libre spirit ... #opensource http://t.co/NX6zUcVPvl		Jul 31 03:45
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schestowitz	https://twitter.com/retroDoomer/status/626915380359921664	Jul 31 03:46
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@retroDoomer: I tried explaining this to someone earlier. They really didn't understand the implications of it https://t.co/v02o7FMwVE		Jul 31 03:46
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz: "Windows 10 includes keylogging spyware, on by default." -DaemonFC, former #Microsoft MVP, now at #techrights		Jul 31 03:46
schestowitz	https://twitter.com/matthewstinar/status/626941191729319936	Jul 31 03:46
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@matthewstinar: @schestowitz I still haven't decided which Ubuntu variant I'm going with this time. I'm pretty sure I'm not ready for Arch yet. Suggestions?		Jul 31 03:46
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cubexyz	all Xlib programs can use -fn	Jul 31 03:53
oiaohm	cubexyz: You can run as many normally X11 applications per user as you like and use display to send them to different servers	Jul 31 03:53
oiaohm	cubexyz: problem is X11 Windows manager and the like use a session key that they talk to the server that they write into a single file.	Jul 31 03:54
oiaohm	cubexyz: ie wrong session key X11 server will not work for them.	Jul 31 03:54
cubexyz	yes I can just: ssh -XC cubeman@server /usr/local/bin/xwhatever	Jul 31 03:54
cubexyz	but i was curious about the remote gui stuff	Jul 31 03:55
oiaohm	rdp under weston is nicer than X11	Jul 31 03:55
oiaohm	No stupid session file to worry about.	Jul 31 03:55
oiaohm	cubexyz: sorry wrong file name	Jul 31 03:57
oiaohm	~/.Xauthority	Jul 31 03:57
oiaohm	The magic super cookie of annoyance.	Jul 31 03:57
cubexyz	one thing is I don't have a good method for IRC logging	Jul 31 03:58
cubexyz	so I have my main user logged in on the server	Jul 31 03:58
cubexyz	a better method would be to have a text based IRC logger	Jul 31 03:59
oiaohm	https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/X_Window_authorization	Jul 31 04:00
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oiaohm	cubexyz: this is what screws you over attempting to login multi times running a wm	Jul 31 04:00
oiaohm	cubexyz: wayland changes this. Wayland server gives application a file handle then application uses filehandle to talk to server. Nothing for authorisation written into the user home directory so it can run multi times without disaster.	Jul 31 04:03
schestowitz	> x	Jul 31 04:05
schestowitz	> http://www.itworld.com/article/2955001/linux/5-heros-of-the-linux-world.html	Jul 31 04:05
schestowitz	>	Jul 31 04:05
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.itworld.com \| 5 heroes of the Linux world \| ITworld [ http://ur1.ca/nbavt ]		Jul 31 04:05
schestowitz	> systemd is /not/ an init system. He's lost it.	Jul 31 04:05
schestowitz	Yes, I noticed this, laughed, and sort of mocked the inclusion in Twitter a couple of time.	Jul 31 04:05
oiaohm	schestowitz: systemd can be a init system or a demon management solution	Jul 31 04:06
oiaohm	schestowitz: systemd user mode is a demon management solution.	Jul 31 04:06
cubexyz	oiaohm, I can't think of anything I must to have X11 for when logging into the server	Jul 31 04:09
cubexyz	only thing is xchat logging needs X11	Jul 31 04:09
oiaohm	schestowitz: https://maci0.wordpress.com/2014/07/23/run-systemd-in-an-unprivileged-docker-container/ This is systemd running not privilaged with cgroup blocked and without PID1	Jul 31 04:10
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msb_	oiaohm: If you had more feral cats they would have caught that lizard before it killed your graphic card!	Jul 31 04:12
oiaohm	cubexyz: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ZNC You most likely want this on the server not xchat in the first place.	Jul 31 04:13
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oiaohm	msb_: Main reaosn I had a lizard problem my pet spider died.	Jul 31 04:14
msb_	Yikes! How big a spider was that?	Jul 31 04:14
msb_	Bigger than a Buick?	Jul 31 04:15
oiaohm	http://www.australiangeographic.com.au/topics/wildlife/2012/08/gallery-10-most-dangerous-spiders-in-australia/australian-spiders-the-10-most-dangerous_image9/	Jul 31 04:16
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oiaohm	Yes number 9 on the most dangerous spiders in Australia msb_	Jul 31 04:17
oiaohm	15cm across. There venom is not the threat is the scared reation. They also don't put webs everywhere they serousally chase their pray down.	Jul 31 04:17
schestowitz	https://twitter.com/SleepyPenguin1/status/626879417923567616	Jul 31 04:18
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@SleepyPenguin1: Microsoft evades billions of $$ in tax... #linux @ruskin147 http://t.co/tZjaURNjlv		Jul 31 04:18
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@JZA: @schestowitz I wish they fix the Kate protocols.		Jul 31 04:19
schestowitz	kate in kf5 works OK for me	Jul 31 04:19
oiaohm	msb_: a few pet huntsman spiders no lizard problems around the place.	Jul 31 04:19
msb_	Much rather have a Cat!	Jul 31 04:20
oiaohm	cat people hate them as there toxin kills cats.	Jul 31 04:20
oiaohm	Don't harm dogs.	Jul 31 04:20
msb_	Poisonous spiders get no mercy from me.	Jul 31 04:21
msb_	Squash or spray them on the spot.	Jul 31 04:22
msb_	But non-poisonous I encourage.	Jul 31 04:22
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msb_	I watched Road Games -- movie set in Australia -- a few days ago. Jamie Lee Curtis.	Jul 31 04:23
msb_	Are dingoes really unable to bark?	Jul 31 04:24
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oiaohm	msb_: --Are dingoes really unable to bark?-- Most pure dingo cannot bark. Only howl. Cross breeds can bark.	Jul 31 05:00
oiaohm	msb_: key word is most some island breeds of dingos can bark and they are not cross breeds	Jul 31 05:00
msb_	So the movie is accurate. Thanks!	Jul 31 05:01
oiaohm	msb_: its also the define of bark.	Jul 31 05:04
oiaohm	Cannot bark by our ears.	Jul 31 05:04
msb_	oiaohm: Ultrasonic?	Jul 31 05:04
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msb_	Like bats?	Jul 31 05:04
oiaohm	Yep.	Jul 31 05:05
oiaohm	Dingo barks are normally out side human hearing.	Jul 31 05:06
oiaohm	So we class them as cannot bark. when its more we cannot hear it.	Jul 31 05:06
msb_	Wiki doesn't mention ultrasonic bark.	Jul 31 05:09
msb_	Wanshang Dhole -- supernatural dog-like creature in X-files episode "Alpha"	Jul 31 05:14
msb_	Actual Dhole -- https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dhole	Jul 31 05:14
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schestowitz	https://twitter.com/RubenMassarotti/status/627045890381905920	Jul 31 05:20
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oiaohm	msb_: pure blood dingos do purr	Jul 31 05:27
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msb_	Wow!	Jul 31 05:27
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msb_	Now I want to see "Alpha"! Have to find the dvd.	Jul 31 05:29
oiaohm	msb_: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bark_%28sound%29	Jul 31 05:31
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oiaohm	msb_: It is kinda in the wikipedia.	Jul 31 05:31
oiaohm	The australian dingo bark does not sound like a normal dog bark.	Jul 31 05:32
msb_	As long as it's not a Wanshang Dhole!	Jul 31 05:32
oiaohm	msb_: Australian dingoes bark only in swooshing noises or in a mixture atonal/tonal.	Jul 31 05:32
oiaohm	Now that is if we can hear it.	Jul 31 05:33
oiaohm	So a dingo like dog making a dog like bark is a cross bread to be shot.	Jul 31 05:34
msb_	Sounds like normal bark: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i-GXvcnhE34	Jul 31 05:35
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oiaohm	msb_: that is a cross breed.	Jul 31 05:35
oiaohm	They would find that out if they did a DNA test.	Jul 31 05:35
oiaohm	msb_: I had a kepply dingo cross.	Jul 31 05:36
oiaohm	They look exactly the same to a normal dingo.	Jul 31 05:36
oiaohm	The difference is trainablity.	Jul 31 05:36
oiaohm	And bark.	Jul 31 05:36
msb_	https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A9bdlLqSRDk	Jul 31 05:36
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oiaohm	This is something nasty. To train a pure blood dingo you must get the pup before it eyes open.	Jul 31 05:39
oiaohm	The first creature it sees when it eyes open it the creature type it will obey.	Jul 31 05:39
msb_	https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wn2-Eri1oPY -- nice docu	Jul 31 05:42
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oiaohm	msb_: that last video bend in tail is a half breed. Due to a differance in bone count in tail between dingo and dog you end up with a particular bend in tail when they cross.	Jul 31 05:42
oiaohm	Ok video before last.	Jul 31 05:42
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oiaohm	msb_: the high sound out of that bark was close to a pure. The low sounds were the result of the cross.	Jul 31 05:42
oiaohm	msb_: this is the problem with you tube. Lot of people have half dingo half dog yet they call them dingo.	Jul 31 05:43
schestowitz	https://twitter.com/matthewstinar/status/627052012597813248 https://twitter.com/matthewstinar/status/627052205506494464	Jul 31 05:46
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@matthewstinar: @schestowitz I recall the graphics lagged and there was something off about the software manager. Maybe I'll take another look.		Jul 31 05:46
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@matthewstinar: @schestowitz It's been a while and Mint was certainly visually appealing.		Jul 31 05:46
oiaohm	msb_: http://www.dingosanctuary.org/dingo_old/dingo.html even in nature pure dingos normally don't bark. You are more likely to hear them purring.	Jul 31 05:53
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oiaohm	msb_: yes if you have cats for the purr you can have dingos in australia for it.	Jul 31 05:54
msb_	For some reason I've never liked dogs, always liked cats.	Jul 31 05:54
msb_	I think there was a nasty dog that barked at us every day on the way to school.;	Jul 31 05:55
msb_	Plus, they drool.	Jul 31 05:56
msb_	And shit everywhere.	Jul 31 05:56
oiaohm	Boy that does not sound like the dogs I had.	Jul 31 05:56
oiaohm	Ok drool into food bowl because I forget to give the dog a order to eat.	Jul 31 05:56
oiaohm	And the dog had been waiting for 30 mins.	Jul 31 05:57
oiaohm	I have always had working dogs msb_	Jul 31 05:57
oiaohm	So they are tollet trained and eat on command trained and so on.	Jul 31 05:57
msb_	I had neighbors and I used to hear her crying every day because the puppy had shit and pissed everywhere. I think they got rid of it.	Jul 31 05:57
oiaohm	I guess stupidly let pup in house before it was trained.	Jul 31 05:58
msb_	Cats come toilet-trained.	Jul 31 05:58
oiaohm	Not all cats come toilet trained.	Jul 31 05:59
oiaohm	Depends on breed.	Jul 31 05:59
msb_	All the ones I';ve had. Unless they were sick.	Jul 31 05:59
oiaohm	Same with dogs some dogs are cleaner than others.	Jul 31 05:59
msb_	Dogs are evil. They come from Microsoft and the US govt!!!	Jul 31 06:00
msb_	666! Evil! 666!	Jul 31 06:01
oiaohm	kelpie has a percentage of dingo.	Jul 31 06:01
oiaohm	Lot of my working dogs had percentage dingo msb_	Jul 31 06:01
msb_	What work did they do? Make fertilizer?	Jul 31 06:01
oiaohm	if not Australian Cattle Dog	Jul 31 06:02
oiaohm	msb_: basically I was working with cattle.	Jul 31 06:02
oiaohm	Due to the fact these dogs have been breed for Australian station usage they have been breed to be cleaner than you normal dogs.	Jul 31 06:03
oiaohm	msb_: basically pup that makes too much of mess earns it self a bullet and end of line.	Jul 31 06:03
msb_	Feed it to the giant tree-sloth bat-lizards!	Jul 31 06:04
msb_	Or Sharktopus.	Jul 31 06:06
oiaohm	msb_: Saint Bernard is another breed that is fairly simple to tollet train.	Jul 31 06:06
oiaohm	Again due to the same reason due to where they came from they would just kill the ones too hard to train.	Jul 31 06:06
oiaohm	So it what breed the dog is that defines how messy it is	Jul 31 06:07
msb_	St B is major drooler/slobberer.	Jul 31 06:08
oiaohm	Not all	Jul 31 06:08
oiaohm	Biggest problem with a Saint Bernad is there simple digging force and weight.	Jul 31 06:09
oiaohm	msb_: I have seen 3 of them crush a car.	Jul 31 06:09
msb_	oiaohm: How can dogs crush steel? Were they driving a tractor?	Jul 31 06:13
oiaohm	msb_: 4 and a half hours jumping up and down on it.	Jul 31 06:13
msb_	Cujo!	Jul 31 06:14
msb_	I watched that once. It was disgusting.	Jul 31 06:14
oiaohm	msb_: Its interesting watching the difference with https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alaskan_Malamute	Jul 31 06:15
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oiaohm	We have Alaskan Malamute that was breed in Australia for base usage and latter USA reimports.	Jul 31 06:15
oiaohm	The ones for base usage were culled based on cleanness and are massively cleaner dogs.	Jul 31 06:16
oiaohm	msb_: so I believe some of the problem with dogs and cleaness is poor breeding.	Jul 31 06:16
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TweetTuxMachines	of most of today’s Linux"	Jul 31 06:40
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Mir 0.14 Has Been Officially Released And	Jul 31 06:40
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Leftovers: KDE http://t.co/XJS1NgtHRb	Jul 31 06:40
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schestowitz	https://twitter.com/Messgorough/status/627066510461284352	Jul 31 06:45
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@Messgorough: @schestowitz And regulated by greed and corruption.		Jul 31 06:45
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schestowitz	https://twitter.com/SleepyPenguin1/status/627072377441099776	Jul 31 07:06
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@SleepyPenguin1: Cyber security 2015 @ruskin147 @schestowitz http://t.co/zLUp6ufokm		Jul 31 07:06
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cubexyz	one thing I don't understand about Xbox customers	Jul 31 07:27
cubexyz	they vehemently complain about how Microsoft treats them	Jul 31 07:27
cubexyz	can'	Jul 31 07:28
cubexyz	can	Jul 31 07:28
cubexyz	can't trade games, poor quality device keeps breaking etc	Jul 31 07:28
cubexyz	but they continue to give money to a company they hate	Jul 31 07:28
cubexyz	just starve the beast of cash	Jul 31 07:29
cubexyz	then the problem of microsoft will go away	Jul 31 07:29
oiaohm	Really when has that been different with game players.	Jul 31 07:32
oiaohm	I remember the Playstation 1 issues.	Jul 31 07:33
cubexyz	sega genesis is the clear counter-example	Jul 31 07:33
cubexyz	you buy the game, it's yours to trade or sell	Jul 31 07:33
oiaohm	I mean the broken hardware bit.	Jul 31 07:33
cubexyz	same answer	Jul 31 07:33
oiaohm	Gamers have historically been overly tollerant.	Jul 31 07:33
cubexyz	Sega Genesis, still have games that work for it	Jul 31 07:34
cubexyz	some people even play atari 2600	Jul 31 07:34
cubexyz	anything with a CD player in it will break for sure	Jul 31 07:34
oiaohm	I had the fun of early NES issues.	Jul 31 07:35
cubexyz	the stepper motor and spindle motor will fail in the cdrom	Jul 31 07:36
cubexyz	mechanical parts will fail	Jul 31 07:36
oiaohm	NES had issues with the contacts	Jul 31 07:37
abeNd-org	my wife had a summer job working for a subcontractor of gamestop repairing xbox (original), gamecubes, & psps.... how or why or what was in some of those systems...scary	Jul 31 07:38
cubexyz	I imagine cleaning the motherboard contacts on the NES would help	Jul 31 07:39
cubexyz	easier than repairing a cdrom at least	Jul 31 07:39
oiaohm	cubexyz: early nes suffered from hardware virus in the contacts.	Jul 31 07:39
oiaohm	where if 1 contact bent it preceded to detroy following catridges.	Jul 31 07:40
cubexyz	oiaohm, I found sci.electronics.repair is a good place for info	Jul 31 07:41
cubexyz	I assume google groups would have it	Jul 31 07:42
MinceR	who else managed a 54% hardware failure rate in gaming consoles, beside m$?	Jul 31 07:54
cubexyz	nntp.aioe.org is still around	Jul 31 07:55
cubexyz	well hopefully microsoft lost money on xbox	Jul 31 07:55
cubexyz	if they keep on losing money then... :)	Jul 31 07:56
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abeNd-org	yea, gamers are very forgiving of ms, & sony, i mean look at how many people keep coming back to the playstation network after how many hacks?	Jul 31 07:56
abeNd-org	xbox lost ms tons of money, i think they only started turning a profit with it late in the 360 days, & pretty sure they sell the console at a loss, only nintendo sells consoles for a profit...but poor nintendo isnt doing so hot overall	Jul 31 07:57
MinceR	yeah, and sony screwed ps2 users on advertised features	Jul 31 07:57
MinceR	gaming consoles suck	Jul 31 07:57
cubexyz	you're better off putting your money into a general purpose computer	Jul 31 07:57
abeNd-org	yes, but so does pc gaming, when you constantly have to buy a console priced video card to play whatever the latest game is	Jul 31 07:58
MinceR	while you can still get one	Jul 31 07:58
cubexyz	ok, well I mainly play older games	Jul 31 07:58
cubexyz	Loki/LGP, xboard, or homebrew	Jul 31 07:58
abeNd-org	and take console batman recently released, & then pulled, it still runs at horrible FPS, at least the one on ps4 is playable. the PC edition wont be fixed for ages	Jul 31 07:58
abeNd-org	isnt loki/lgp dead these days?	Jul 31 07:59
cubexyz	well loki is, not sure about lgp	Jul 31 08:00
cubexyz	LGP does seem to be mostly dead though	Jul 31 08:01
MinceR	http://cs6.pikabu.ru/post_img/2015/07/31/4/1438320138_629303719.jpg	Jul 31 08:02
abeNd-org	one thing edge has for it is no plugin infrastructure, no java, no flash	Jul 31 08:02
abeNd-org	keep it simple	Jul 31 08:03
abeNd-org	& maybe it wont suck as bad	Jul 31 08:03
cubexyz	well I doubt I'll use it, unless they port it to BSD :)	Jul 31 08:03
abeNd-org	that is called Safari on osx	Jul 31 08:04
abeNd-org	http://idle.slashdot.org/story/15/07/29/2223255/san-franciscos-public-works-agency-tests-paint-that-repels-urine?utm_source=feedly1.0mainlinkanon&utm_medium=feed - neat, but how about solving the homeless problem....	Jul 31 08:12
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MinceR	solving problems? that's not how the human species works	Jul 31 08:13
cubexyz	haha, paint that repels urine	Jul 31 08:14
abeNd-org	ok ok, how about rounding up all the homeless people & sending them to mars	Jul 31 08:15
abeNd-org	if they colonize the planet, they can call it home	Jul 31 08:15
MinceR	lol	Jul 31 08:17
MinceR	we can't afford to send that much mass to mars	Jul 31 08:17
abeNd-org	build a big pit, drop them all in it & call it a reality tv show version of http://www.imdb.com/title/tt3696720/ ?	Jul 31 08:24
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MinceR	i'd rather put all the rich criminals and dictators in a cage and tell them only one of them gets to come out alive	Jul 31 08:28
MinceR	(which would be a lie)	Jul 31 08:29
abeNd-org	how about housing the homeless in the huge mansions with the rich?	Jul 31 08:32
MinceR	it could work nicely, with particular rich people	Jul 31 08:32
abeNd-org	if someone has a nice 100 room mansion & they only use 2, cram it full of homeless people & some handlers	Jul 31 08:36
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Leftovers: Software http://t.co/SET8vch2lE	Jul 31 08:37
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Links 31/7/2015: Lennart Poettering as 'Linux	Jul 31 08:37
TweetTuxMachines	Hero' and systemd Conference Coming	Jul 31 08:37
TweetTuxMachines	http://t.co/HFBD6Gck2k (techrights.org)	Jul 31 08:37
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines An open source mapping primer	Jul 31 09:42
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines HP ProBook 455 G2: A low-cost business notebook	Jul 31 09:42
TweetTuxMachines	for Ubuntu lovers [Review]	Jul 31 09:42
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msb_	Solutions to "the homeless problem": https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Marching_Morons	Jul 31 10:08
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cubexyz	ha, an interesting story	Jul 31 10:19
cubexyz	I like the part how the con man gets conned	Jul 31 10:20
cubexyz	Idiocracy: The government is run on behalf of a few mega-corporations	Jul 31 10:22
cubexyz	oiaohm is not here	Jul 31 12:02
cubexyz	oh well I just discovered something	Jul 31 12:02
cubexyz	my motif program does in fact work on twm and tinywm	Jul 31 12:03
cubexyz	it's just that one window starts in a collasped state	Jul 31 12:03
cubexyz	no idea why that is but it's correctable	Jul 31 12:04
MinceR	i like that story	Jul 31 12:38
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DaemonFC	I made a post about forced Windows updates on Amazon Forums.	Jul 31 15:13
DaemonFC	The ending was, "The problem with Windows 10 will be that every Home user is now a canary in the coal mine so that Microsoft will know if it's OK to send the updates to their important customers.".	Jul 31 15:13
DaemonFC	I listed a bunch of examples of how broken updates go out once every few months on average, and that there won't be a way to avoid them now.	Jul 31 15:13
MinceR	DaemonFC: http://cs6.pikabu.ru/post_img/2015/07/31/4/1438320138_629303719.jpg	Jul 31 15:14
DaemonFC	MinceR, Calling Edge "Internet Explorer" is an insult to Internet Explorer based on my experiences with it.	Jul 31 15:14
DaemonFC	Internet Explorer 11 was almost usable.	Jul 31 15:15
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Today in Techrights http://t.co/g5hghOEXYe	Jul 31 15:15
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MinceR	that's like saying "calling bìng 'live search' is an insult to 'live search'"	Jul 31 15:15
DaemonFC	They cut out the most important feature in my opinion. Tracking Protection Lists. There's no such thing in Edge, which means you have to go back to using the fucking HOSTS file like it's 1999.	Jul 31 15:16
DaemonFC	Or use another browser, if you find one that Windows 10 didn't break.	Jul 31 15:16
MinceR	well, at least they didn't patch out the support for the hosts file from the code they ripped off bsd	Jul 31 15:16
DaemonFC	Well, there is something funny about the HOSTS file cutting off Microsoft Edge from loading a pornographic advertisement with "We're sorry, but we can't contact this site right now.".	Jul 31 15:17
DaemonFC	MinceR, No, but if you replace the HOSTS file with your own, Windows Defender pops up and alerts you that malware has tampered with the HOSTS file, and that it is being restored. :)	Jul 31 15:18
DaemonFC	So, you have to add C:\Windows\System32\drivers\etc\HOSTS to the exclusions list.	Jul 31 15:18
MinceR	lol	Jul 31 15:18
MinceR	what a train wreck	Jul 31 15:18
DaemonFC	Which is dumb, because there's never been any malware that has _only_ tampered with the HOSTS file.	Jul 31 15:19
DaemonFC	MinceR, IE 11 is still there, but they more or less hid it.	Jul 31 15:20
DaemonFC	The only icon leading to it is in the "Windows Accessories" menu.	Jul 31 15:21
DaemonFC	Apparently, it's going to live on as a zombie web browser that only gets security updates for the next ten years.	Jul 31 15:21
DaemonFC	:/	Jul 31 15:21
DaemonFC	It was getting too difficult to maintain with new features, so they forked the engine, stripped out a bunch of legacy crap, and called the resulting engine EdgeHTML.	Jul 31 15:23
DaemonFC	So now there are two rendering engines in Windows. MSHTML and EdgeHTML. They really are quite different.	Jul 31 15:23
DaemonFC	As far as I know, there will never be any other browsers using EdgeHTML because it has no ActiveX support, so you can't embed it in other applications, unless you're a Windows Store App, where it's part of that API.	Jul 31 15:24
DaemonFC	"Classic" Windows apps won't have access to any part of it. Even Edge isn't a "Classic" app. It's running on the desktop by way of the new feature that lets you run Windows Store apps on the desktop.	Jul 31 15:25
MinceR	obviously, m$ doesn't want anyone else develop browsers	Jul 31 15:25
MinceR	just like crApple	Jul 31 15:25
DaemonFC	Which is kind of sad.	Jul 31 15:25
MinceR	you're in their jail and they call the shots.	Jul 31 15:25
DaemonFC	The engine itself isn't too bad, but the only browser that is allowed to use it sucks.	Jul 31 15:26
MinceR	no, what is sad is that people use, pay for and advertise these shitty platforms.	Jul 31 15:26
XRevan86	DaemonFC: The engine is not crossplatform.	Jul 31 15:26
MinceR	there's a decent engine anyway, it's called gecko	Jul 31 15:26
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DaemonFC	http://www.theregister.co.uk/2015/07/30/win10_real_users_mail/	Jul 31 15:53
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.theregister.co.uk \| 'Fix these Windows 10 Horrors': Readers turn their guns on Redmond • The Register [ http://ur1.ca/nbhbv ]		Jul 31 15:53
DaemonFC	Actually, the default setting for the forced updates is to reboot your computer when Windows thinks you've been away from it for a while. It doesn't say whether or not it will stop if you have a word processor open with a document you haven't saved, or a web browser with pages you haven't read yet, etc.	Jul 31 15:54
DaemonFC	You can change it to "ask you to schedule a reboot", but that's all you can really change.	Jul 31 15:55
MinceR	don't fix those windows 10 horrors, eliminate the horror that is windows 10	Jul 31 15:55
DaemonFC	The updates are going in, one way or another, and whether or not your PC reboots is sort of up in the air.	Jul 31 15:55
MinceR	well, on a laptop owned by a client i've already experienced the wonderful idea of "we'll reboot your machine when we think it's right"	Jul 31 15:56
MinceR	it's really nice if you don't need to do _any_ work done with that computer, _ever_	Jul 31 15:56
schestowitz	https://twitter.com/kanarip/status/627206094864166912	Jul 31 15:58
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@kanarip: @jwildeboer @schestowitz For one, they only accept invited authors. If #redhat be so open about it, let's discuss topics. Somewhere open.		Jul 31 15:58
schestowitz	DaemonFC: thanks, saw that link	Jul 31 15:58
DaemonFC	http://www.theregister.co.uk/2015/07/31/rising_and_ongoing_cost_of_windows/	Jul 31 16:03
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.theregister.co.uk \| Windows 10 marks the end of 'pay once, use forever' software • The Register [ http://ur1.ca/nbhfj ]		Jul 31 16:03
DaemonFC	I think this goes a little bit too far.	Jul 31 16:03
DaemonFC	"DirectX 11.1 was released in early 2013, some six and a bit years before the January 2020 end of life for Windows 7. It was also an Xbox One exclusive so all those Xbox 360 users just got shoved off a cliff!"	Jul 31 16:03
DaemonFC	The graphics card in the XBOX 360 was only capable of running a subset of Direct3d 10.	Jul 31 16:04
MinceR	it has been "try to use sometimes, pay forever" for a while	Jul 31 16:04
MinceR	especially if you value your sanity.	Jul 31 16:04
DaemonFC	You can't magically add new features to hardware that doesn't support them.	Jul 31 16:04
MinceR	the ui randomly losing focus is _not_ good for sanity.	Jul 31 16:04
MinceR	most xbox 360s can't even run a subset of the empty set.	Jul 31 16:05
DaemonFC	DirectX 12 should work on any recent graphics card.	Jul 31 16:05
MinceR	since they're fried.	Jul 31 16:05
MinceR	http://www.ign.com/articles/2009/08/17/report-xbox-360-failure-rate-reaches-54	Jul 31 16:05
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.ign.com \| Report: Xbox 360 Failure Rate Reaches 54% - IGN [ http://ur1.ca/nbhg9 ]		Jul 31 16:05
MinceR	they have the functionality of a doorstop.	Jul 31 16:06
DaemonFC	If it really is between 50 and 70% faster than DirectX 11.1, then it will keep the older cards going for years.	Jul 31 16:06
DaemonFC	Assuming that game designers actually use it.	Jul 31 16:06
DaemonFC	MinceR, The original consoles were very bad.	Jul 31 16:06
DaemonFC	The redesigns have a much lower failure rate.	Jul 31 16:06
DaemonFC	I have an XBOX 360 again because someone gave it to me.	Jul 31 16:07
DaemonFC	Along with a bunch of games.	Jul 31 16:07
DaemonFC	I missed a bunch of them because there was no way to get the original console to cooperate, so I ended up selling it on Craigslist after my eighth refurbished console from the Microsoft repair center.	Jul 31 16:07
schestowitz	[20:13] <DaemonFC> The ending was, "The problem with Windows 10 will be that every Home user is now a canary in the coal mine so that Microsoft will know if it's OK to send the updates to their important customers.".	Jul 31 16:08
schestowitz	LOL	Jul 31 16:08
DaemonFC	I joked that their repair center was probably in McAllen, Texas so they could just toss them over the border into Mexico in a big pile.	Jul 31 16:08
MinceR	lol	Jul 31 16:08
DaemonFC	Somehow, opening the "Money" app triggered Windows to run it in the background and give me stock updates.	Jul 31 16:12
MinceR	surprise of the day for me: http://www.gordoni.com/os-sizes.html	Jul 31 16:12
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.gordoni.com \| Operating System Sizes		Jul 31 16:12
MinceR	some monolithic kernels are smaller than some microkernels	Jul 31 16:12
MinceR	especially plan9	Jul 31 16:12
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DaemonFC	http://www.chicagotribune.com/business/yourmoney/ct-marksjarvis-0802-biz-20150731-column.html	Jul 31 16:19
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.chicagotribune.com \| Dear millennials, you're ruining the economy. Move out. - Chicago Tribune [ http://ur1.ca/nbhko ]		Jul 31 16:19
DaemonFC	There we go again.	Jul 31 16:20
DaemonFC	"We're payin them $7.25 an hour. What on Earth is stopping them from buying a house!?" :)	Jul 31 16:20
schestowitz	https://twitter.com/Godzilla_Govt/status/627211714401038337	Jul 31 16:21
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@Godzilla_Govt: @schestowitz Oh. Okay. Go back to Zzz.... : }		Jul 31 16:21
schestowitz	https://twitter.com/Zeipt/status/627212248486944768	Jul 31 16:23
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@Zeipt: analysts say because Windows 10 has an Adobe Flash plug-in already installed, Edge could pose a bigger security risk https://t.co/LNOqSsnBBf		Jul 31 16:23
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz: The 'new' (rebranded) Microsoft browser has brand new security issues http://t.co/VQxXNee0qE		Jul 31 16:23
schestowitz	[00:20] <msb_> So does Microsoft==RedHat? Basically, yes.	Jul 31 16:24
schestowitz	nope	Jul 31 16:24
schestowitz	it was a straw man	Jul 31 16:25
schestowitz	from redhat staff	Jul 31 16:25
schestowitz	DaemonFC: thanks for sharing experiences with vista 10	Jul 31 16:25
schestowitz	I mention you in some recent posts, it helps to hear from one who actually used it	Jul 31 16:25
MinceR	redcrap is yet another faithful follower of microsoft	Jul 31 16:26
schestowitz	no, that's novell	Jul 31 16:26
DaemonFC	yep	Jul 31 16:26
schestowitz	but redhat hired some MS managers	Jul 31 16:26
schestowitz	for virt	Jul 31 16:26
DaemonFC	It's pretty easy to turn Flash off in Edge.	Jul 31 16:26
DaemonFC	Most sites will fall back to HTML 5 now if Flash isn't available.	Jul 31 16:27
DaemonFC	I don't have Flash installed in Firefox. It's mostly just used for tracking, gigantic ads, and malware.	Jul 31 16:27
schestowitz	http://www.theregister.co.uk/2015/07/29/windows_10_sysadmin_says_average_joe_will_be_happy/ http://www.theregister.co.uk/2015/07/31/stopping_windows_10_downloads_corporate_network/	Jul 31 16:29
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.theregister.co.uk \| Don't want Windows 10 FILTH on the company network? Step this way • The Register [ http://ur1.ca/nbhnb ]		Jul 31 16:29
schestowitz	DaemonFC: true today	Jul 31 16:29
schestowitz	maybe not 5 years ago	Jul 31 16:29
schestowitz	b/c of webm and mobile	Jul 31 16:30
MinceR	m$ has several followers	Jul 31 16:30
schestowitz	MS could help it regain ground if vista10 gets picked up by enough fools	Jul 31 16:30
schestowitz	MinceR: yeah	Jul 31 16:30
DaemonFC	Many of them are actually using MPEG-4.	Jul 31 16:30
schestowitz	MinceR: it pays for them	Jul 31 16:30
schestowitz	in twitter :-)	Jul 31 16:30
DaemonFC	Microsoft and Apple have deliberately avoided supporting anything else.	Jul 31 16:30
schestowitz	where fake followers are a "product"	Jul 31 16:30
schestowitz	DaemonFC: that pay the MPAG cartel	Jul 31 16:30
schestowitz	MPEG-LA	Jul 31 16:31
schestowitz	it's an obstruction to Android free of charge, Firefox, etc,.	Jul 31 16:31
schestowitz	basically Free software cannot be freely distributed with that patented BS	Jul 31 16:31
schestowitz	Even if there's a free implementation	Jul 31 16:31
schestowitz	opens door to litigation by trolls	Jul 31 16:31
schestowitz	funded by MS and Apple	Jul 31 16:31
DaemonFC	MPEG-4 support is also what's really causing the Stagefright bug.	Jul 31 16:32
DaemonFC	So, it's made pretty much every Android phone unsafe for the time being, and some people will get a patch and some won't.	Jul 31 16:33
MinceR	don't expect the industry to realize that the read-only image approach to mobile/IoT OS-es is extremely dangerous	Jul 31 16:33
DaemonFC	Years back, there was a really popular way to install malware on Windows computers.	Jul 31 16:34
DaemonFC	You'd give the victim a Windows Media file and flag it as "protected", right?	Jul 31 16:34
MinceR	you didn't need to do anything, they already had windows	Jul 31 16:34
DaemonFC	So, Windows Media Player would point you towards the "license server" using IE's rendering engine, then the site installs malware.	Jul 31 16:34
DaemonFC	Being able to run executable code or making your media player point you towards arbitrary websites is a really bad thing for security, but the companies that make these "standards" don't really care.	Jul 31 16:36
DaemonFC	Windows still doesn't recognize Ogg Vorbis as "music files"	Jul 31 16:36
DaemonFC	It will recognize FLAC now, but not Vorbis.	Jul 31 16:36
MinceR	they're more afraid of vorbis than flac	Jul 31 16:36
DaemonFC	I have thousands of Ogg Vorbis files. I told Cortana to play a song. So it said "I'm sorry. There doesn't appear to be any songs on your computer.".	Jul 31 16:37
schestowitz	> BF Skinner invented the START button in Win3.1 ?	Jul 31 16:37
schestowitz	>	Jul 31 16:37
schestowitz	> http://tech.slashdot.org/story/15/07/30/2231253/the-weird-history-of-the-microsoft-windows-start-button	Jul 31 16:37
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schestowitz	>	Jul 31 16:37
schestowitz	> and ex-Microsoft Danny Oran holds the patents for the Windows 95 Start menu and taskbar ..	Jul 31 16:37
schestowitz	>	Jul 31 16:37
schestowitz	> http://uk.businessinsider.com/history-of-the-windows-start-button-2015-7?r=US&IR=T	Jul 31 16:37
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schestowitz	>	Jul 31 16:37
schestowitz	> I know my memory isn't as good as it used to be, but I can't recall any of this. I do know there were any number of menuing guis out there at the time.	Jul 31 16:37
schestowitz	I saw this, I wrote about it this morning, and given who writes and promotes this, it's just Microsoft marketing disguised as "history".	Jul 31 16:37
DaemonFC	MinceR, Yeah. I just wish Mozilla would stop doing stupid things to Firefox.	Jul 31 16:49
DaemonFC	Like, how you no longer even have basic control over scripts without NoScript.	Jul 31 16:50
MinceR	indeed	Jul 31 16:50
MinceR	also, it often forgets the favicon of a tab	Jul 31 16:50
MinceR	also, it can be difficult to drag the page link to the bookmarks sidebar	Jul 31 16:51
MinceR	it recognizes that i'm trying to drag the page link slowly	Jul 31 16:51
MinceR	and sometimes even if it does, the line indicating where it will go fails to appear	Jul 31 16:51
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DaemonFC	Ryan Farmer	Jul 31 17:06
DaemonFC	Just now ·	Jul 31 17:06
DaemonFC	.	Jul 31 17:06
DaemonFC	In what passes for the news, some wealthy executive in Texas says that he dropped his iPhone from a mile and a half above the ground when the door to the plane he was in opened and it fell out of his pocket. When he found the device with "Find my iPhone", in the middle of a field, it still worked.	Jul 31 17:06
DaemonFC	Maybe he can tell other iPhone users his secret. Usually, dropping them from five feet means that the screen looks like a broken windshield when you pick them up.	Jul 31 17:06
MinceR	the trick is that since the hypePhone can't do anything, even if it's disintegrated, it doesn't lose any functionality	Jul 31 17:06
DaemonFC	Supposedly, the iPhone 6 was going to fix this with sapphire glass, and that never happened. In drop tests, the Galaxy S6 is more than twice as likely to survive a five foot drop, even without a case.	Jul 31 17:07
MinceR	even though the S-sucks is designed to break easily	Jul 31 17:08
schestowitz	or at least bend	Jul 31 17:10
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TweetTuxMachines	Developers Come Back http://t.co/zdsv0WGl4J	Jul 31 17:20
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines FFmpeg's Leader Resigns, Hopes To Make Libav	Jul 31 17:20
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schestowitz	http://a.disquscdn.com/uploads/mediaembed/images/2333/8777/original.jpg?w=800&h	Jul 31 17:22
schestowitz	https://twitter.com/MariusNestor/status/627227270336380929	Jul 31 17:23
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@MariusNestor: @schestowitz check out the comment with the meme http://t.co/KjPZMPvh28 :))		Jul 31 17:23
schestowitz	I thought I had noticed the similarity. Was all the text ripoff too?	Jul 31 17:23
schestowitz	Look ma! I can copy and paste release notes... err... COMPOSE AN ARTICLE. http://www.itrunsonlinux.com/desktopos/systemd-v223-released/	Jul 31 17:25
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schestowitz	https://twitter.com/MariusNestor/status/627228719648796672	Jul 31 17:27
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@MariusNestor: @schestowitz LOL		Jul 31 17:27
schestowitz	https://twitter.com/MariusNestor/status/627228827429797888	Jul 31 17:28
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@MariusNestor: @schestowitz I saw that earlier…		Jul 31 17:28
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schestowitz	Probably got the h/t from SoftPedia, err... inspiration	Jul 31 17:28
schestowitz	worry not, Rianne and I have mentally blacklisted that site	Jul 31 17:29
schestowitz	https://twitter.com/Metztli_IT/status/627229501559214084	Jul 31 17:29
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@Metztli_IT: Quite likely Microsoft apologists, blinded by #NSA-patriotic pride, will brand @schestowitz as a Kremlin agent ;-) https://t.co/Ix1omC88Gp		Jul 31 17:29
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@SputnikInt: #Windows10 Spies on Almost Everything You Do, Unless You Opt Out http://t.co/usKp4CyS36 #data #surveillance #privacy http://t.co/LMVhe2Rjn8		Jul 31 17:29
schestowitz	https://twitter.com/MariusNestor/status/627229569016299520	Jul 31 17:30
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@MariusNestor: @schestowitz The text is a remake of the text from Softpedia, as no one else bothered to write an article on the subject…		Jul 31 17:30
schestowitz	https://twitter.com/MariusNestor/status/627229742509498372	Jul 31 17:30
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@MariusNestor: @schestowitz but of course, I can recognize my writing anywhere… unfortunately :)		Jul 31 17:30
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schestowitz	https://twitter.com/PatentWire/status/627111254545403904 https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/627211337463132160 https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/627211534234710016 https://twitter.com/mf1337/status/627087664110522368	Jul 31 17:39
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@PatentWire: Vista 10 Inherently Criminal: Vandalising the Competition (Dual Boot, Rival Web Browsers, Online Services) http://t.co/q3mMlD0Mrh		Jul 31 17:39
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz: The 'new' (rebranded) Microsoft browser has brand new security issues http://t.co/VQxXNee0qE		Jul 31 17:39
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights--> www.komando.com \| The new Microsoft browser has brand new security issues \| Komando.com		Jul 31 17:39
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz: Microsoft has no "security issues", it has back doors and front doors http://t.co/pfhJZffIo8		Jul 31 17:39
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@mf1337: As Microsoft AstroTurfing/PR Budget Runs Dry, Vista 10 Truths Come Out http://t.co/otDxFAot3b		Jul 31 17:39
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schestowitz	https://twitter.com/Zeipt/status/627212248486944768 https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/627216758542352384]	Jul 31 17:39
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@Zeipt: analysts say because Windows 10 has an Adobe Flash plug-in already installed, Edge could pose a bigger security risk https://t.co/LNOqSsnBBf		Jul 31 17:39
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz: How to make #vista10 "news" after it's news? Dice-run #slashdot cites Microsoft booster with Microsoft marketing disguised as "history".		Jul 31 17:39
DaemonFC	MinceR, I put a Lifeproof case on it.	Jul 31 17:56
DaemonFC	I don't think it'll get damaged, but it did bulk up the phone a bit. :P	Jul 31 17:57
MinceR	at least that will hide the rear glass cover	Jul 31 17:57
DaemonFC	http://www.techtimes.com/articles/43177/20150330/samsung-galaxy-s6-indestructible-heres-video-prove.htm	Jul 31 18:00
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DaemonFC	"Check out the video for yourself"	Jul 31 18:00
DaemonFC	"Video does not exist."	Jul 31 18:00
MinceR	i'm pretty sure it's destructible	Jul 31 18:01
DaemonFC	Yeah, I heard a couple of people say that they dropped their phone and cracked the glass on the back.	Jul 31 18:01
DaemonFC	Yikes.	Jul 31 18:01
DaemonFC	Why would they do something like that? Put glass on the back of the phone?	Jul 31 18:02
DaemonFC	It looks great until you drop it.	Jul 31 18:02
DaemonFC	You can still see the back of the phone through the case.	Jul 31 18:03
DaemonFC	It just puts some hard plastic over it.	Jul 31 18:04
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Life in a Post-Container World and Why Linux	Jul 31 18:06
TweetTuxMachines	Will Play a Diminished Role	Jul 31 18:06
TweetTuxMachines	http://t.co/yLvobbUwHW (thenewstack.io)	Jul 31 18:06
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Life in a Post-Container World and Why Linux	Jul 31 18:07
TweetTuxMachines	Will Play a Diminished Role	Jul 31 18:07
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MinceR	because the crApple fanboys keep crying stupid bullshit like "premium materials"	Jul 31 18:10
MinceR	even though they have absolutely no clue about material science	Jul 31 18:11
DaemonFC	MinceR, Like the premium battery that zips from 100% to 0% as you watch? :)	Jul 31 18:16
DaemonFC	They only have an 1,800 mAh battery in the iPhone 6.	Jul 31 18:17
DaemonFC	So unless you turn the display backlight down to where you can barely make out the screen, the battery dies very quickly.	Jul 31 18:17
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MinceR	yeah	Jul 31 18:20
DaemonFC	I think the 2,550 in my S6 is about the lowest I'd feel comfortable with.	Jul 31 18:20
MinceR	and like the premium metal case that absorbs the radio waves you're trying to communicate with and the radio waves you're trying to charge the battery with	Jul 31 18:20
DaemonFC	It makes it about 1-1.5 days on a charge, which is fine.	Jul 31 18:20
MinceR	the best back cover material/texture i've experienced so far was that of the nexus 7 (2013)	Jul 31 18:21
DaemonFC	I still think they should have put a bigger battery in the S6.	Jul 31 18:21
MinceR	looks nice and doesn't slip out of my hand	Jul 31 18:21
DaemonFC	3,000 would have been ideal, imo.	Jul 31 18:21
MinceR	also doesn't collect fingerprints	Jul 31 18:21
DaemonFC	I got a portable charger that can fully charge the phone four times though.	Jul 31 18:21
MinceR	(not visibly, anyway)	Jul 31 18:21
MinceR	i have a power bank but i mostly use it as a flashlight :)	Jul 31 18:21
DaemonFC	I have to say that I'm not impressed with Samsung's handling of Stagefright.	Jul 31 18:22
DaemonFC	How long has it been since this was disclosed? No comment from Samsung.	Jul 31 18:22
MinceR	the platform should use a package manager to update itself, like gnu/linux distros do	Jul 31 18:23
DaemonFC	That's the thing, MinceR....	Jul 31 18:23
DaemonFC	The S6 has that ability.	Jul 31 18:23
MinceR	for system files?	Jul 31 18:23
MinceR	oh, also, updating shouldn't break root	Jul 31 18:23
DaemonFC	There's this thing called KNOX that Samsung can use to circumvent the carrier and update the phone right away.	Jul 31 18:23
DaemonFC	Yeah.	Jul 31 18:23
MinceR	i didn't think knox did that	Jul 31 18:24
DaemonFC	Oh, you can root your S6, but it blows an efuse.	Jul 31 18:24
MinceR	even if you root it via exploit?	Jul 31 18:24
DaemonFC	That way, even if you revert the rooting, Samsung knows to void your warranty.	Jul 31 18:24
DaemonFC	Yep.	Jul 31 18:24
MinceR	i rooted my galaxy tab pro 8.4, which has knox, with an exploit and it still says "Status: Official" under about	Jul 31 18:25
DaemonFC	http://www.androidrootz.com/2015/05/how-to-root-galaxy-s6-without-tripping.html	Jul 31 18:25
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DaemonFC	hmm, apparently there is a way to root it without knox knowing to do that.	Jul 31 18:25
MinceR	i couldn't get it to chroot so far, though	Jul 31 18:25
MinceR	hopefully using a non-busybox implementation will work	Jul 31 18:26
DaemonFC	MinceR, The thing about it is, I don't own the phone.	Jul 31 18:29
DaemonFC	Sprint owns the phone, and I'm leasing it from them.	Jul 31 18:29
MinceR	that sucks	Jul 31 18:30
MinceR	i always bought my phones unlocked	Jul 31 18:30
DaemonFC	I don't want to do anything to it that might have them say "We're not taking it back, and you owe us the buyout payment of $200.".	Jul 31 18:30
DaemonFC	MinceR, Yeah, but it made sense, financially, for me.	Jul 31 18:31
MinceR	understandable	Jul 31 18:31
DaemonFC	It was going to cost me $80 a month to keep using my old LG G2, even though I owned it.	Jul 31 18:31
MinceR	well, usually they get at least as much back on your extra monthly payments	Jul 31 18:31
DaemonFC	They offered me a Sprint Unlimited plan with the Galaxy S6 lease included for $75.	Jul 31 18:31
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MinceR	is it GSM/UMTS?	Jul 31 18:32
DaemonFC	No. It's CDMA.	Jul 31 18:32
MinceR	does that use a SIM[-equivalent]?	Jul 31 18:33
DaemonFC	It does support GSM, but only for roaming. It has a SIM that's permanently built-in to the phone.	Jul 31 18:33
DaemonFC	But the SIM is only for roaming on GSM networks.	Jul 31 18:33
MinceR	i see.	Jul 31 18:33
DaemonFC	Yeah, CDMA doesn't use a SIM.	Jul 31 18:34
DaemonFC	You tell your carrier the IMEI number and they use that to identify your phone on their network.	Jul 31 18:34
MinceR	that sucks	Jul 31 18:34
DaemonFC	CDMA is actually quite popular here in the US, but I don't think anyone else uses it.	Jul 31 18:34
DaemonFC	You go to the EU or Canada and GSM is mandated by law.	Jul 31 18:34
MinceR	:>	Jul 31 18:35
DaemonFC	Sprint and Verizon are CDMA.	Jul 31 18:35
DaemonFC	AT&T and T-Mobile are GSM.	Jul 31 18:35
DaemonFC	But that comes with a gotcha.	Jul 31 18:35
DaemonFC	AT&T and T-Mobile use different frequencies than GSM in Canada or the EU.	Jul 31 18:35
DaemonFC	T-Mobile is pretty infamous for being the worst of the four major carriers in the US.	Jul 31 18:36
DaemonFC	Their network sucks.	Jul 31 18:36
DaemonFC	Right now, they're growing their subscriber base by offering cheaper plans, but they're not cheap enough, in my opinion, to deal with their network gaps.	Jul 31 18:37
DaemonFC	Sprint has been improving rapidly. It's in third place, but the difference between Sprint and AT&T isn't what it used to be. Over the last year, they've built up their network to where you'd be hard-pressed to tell the difference, but Sprint is much cheaper than AT&T.	Jul 31 18:38
DaemonFC	AT&T got rid of their unlimited data plans.	Jul 31 18:38
DaemonFC	For every GB you want in your plan, you have to add $10 a month to the base service price, and if you go over by any part of 1 GB, it's $15 per GB.	Jul 31 18:39
DaemonFC	So, by the time you get done adding 3-4 GB to your plan, you're up at about $120-130 a month.	Jul 31 18:39
DaemonFC	AT&T is pretty well known for being an iPhone carrier. Almost everyone you see with an iPhone is on AT&T even though you don't have to be on AT&T anymore.	Jul 31 18:40
DaemonFC	I guess they gouge because more of their customer base is willing to let them get away with it.	Jul 31 18:40
DaemonFC	Do they spend the money improving their network? Not really. Most of it goes to paying off politicians and executive bonus packages.	Jul 31 18:41
DaemonFC	Their network really wasn't prepared to deal with the original iPhone. Customers who had detailed billing were getting 10 pound packages in the mail filled with hundreds of sheets of paper, telling them every time their iPhone made a network request that month.	Jul 31 18:42
DaemonFC	People started saying "Get AT&T and kill a tree.".	Jul 31 18:42
DaemonFC	MinceR, https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/300-page_iPhone_bill	Jul 31 18:43
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MinceR	still a better product than the hypePhone itself	Jul 31 18:43
DaemonFC	http://web.archive.org/web/20071119172546/http://www.computerworld.com/action/article.do?command=viewArticleBasic&articleId=9041858&pageNumber=2	Jul 31 18:45
DaemonFC	It gets better.	Jul 31 18:45
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DaemonFC	"such as when the company eliminated its 4GB model and cut the price of the 8GB model by $200 just two months after the devices had launched. Even ardent fanboys and girls used language that was so surprisingly sharp that Apple agreed to give early adopters a $100 store credit."	Jul 31 18:45
MinceR	they would have deserved it without the store credit	Jul 31 18:45
MinceR	especially the ones that camp in front of the store	Jul 31 18:46
DaemonFC	The second one was pretty funny too.	Jul 31 18:46
DaemonFC	A 16 year old cracked the Australian state government's porn filtering software in half an hour and said it was a horrible waste of money.	Jul 31 18:46
MinceR	government internet filtering is a horrible waste in any case	Jul 31 18:47
DaemonFC	AT&T is about the most corrupt and evil company in America.	Jul 31 18:51
DaemonFC	They've always done things that should be illegal and got away with them.	Jul 31 18:51
DaemonFC	Back in the 1990s, they would let companies give you a toll-free number to call for something and then quietly switch you over to a 1-900 number.	Jul 31 18:51
DaemonFC	Or they'd just send you a bill for $800-900 that said you were calling 1-900 numbers when you weren't.	Jul 31 18:52
DaemonFC	We got one of those in the mail in 1999. After my dad insisted that he wouldn't pay it, eventually, they agreed to "drop it, this one time".	Jul 31 18:52
DaemonFC	The outfit was that Miss Cleo's Psychic Friends Network thing.	Jul 31 18:53
DaemonFC	The people at AT&T tried to say that they were just forwarding a bill from that outfit as a "service".	Jul 31 18:53
DaemonFC	The government eventually raided those "psychics" but they let AT&T keep all the money they had made from enabling that.	Jul 31 18:54
DaemonFC	It was pretty funny stuff too. Among the items that government agents took from the "psychic friends" office were flow sheet papers that told the person on the phone how to do a cold reading.	Jul 31 18:55
MinceR	flow charts?	Jul 31 18:55
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DaemonFC	Yeah. Like, you'd start out by saying "I'm hearing a man whose name starts with a B, like Bill or Bob, or...".	Jul 31 18:56
DaemonFC	Then the person says "My dad's name was Bob!".	Jul 31 18:56
DaemonFC	So you move on.	Jul 31 18:56
DaemonFC	If you get something wrong, you just move on.	Jul 31 18:56
DaemonFC	The goal was to keep them on the phone because you were getting $3.99 a minute for every minute they stayed on the line.	Jul 31 18:56
DaemonFC	The commercials would say "Call me now for your free psychic reading!" and then at the bottom in tiny print it said "first three minutes free".	Jul 31 18:57
DaemonFC	So they put you on hold for three minutes before they started.	Jul 31 18:57
DaemonFC	MinceR, The problem with our economy is that there are almost no ways to make a significant amount of money honestly.	Jul 31 18:58
DaemonFC	I think that some of the people up at the top are so disconnected from reality, that they really think that the economy sucks because people have a bunch of money that they're choosing not to spend.	Jul 31 18:59
DaemonFC	MinceR, I think it's funny that most people think Apple invented smartphones and that Android is just a copy of iOS.	Jul 31 19:02
MinceR	i think it's sad	Jul 31 19:03
DaemonFC	Android existed for several years before iOS, and it's hard to call a phone that doesn't do anything but have a bad web browser a smartphone.	Jul 31 19:03
MinceR	exactly	Jul 31 19:03
DaemonFC	I just got my internet bill. I called Comcast in May and told them that I was considering switching ISPs, so they put me on their 30 Mbps plan for $29.99 a month.	Jul 31 19:09
DaemonFC	I'm hoping to move before that runs out anyway.	Jul 31 19:10
DaemonFC	I can't actually get another ISP here, but they don't seem to know that.	Jul 31 19:10
DaemonFC	It's saved me about $600 so far.	Jul 31 19:10
DaemonFC	J. R. Bob Dobbs (formerly ZOMG Pink Ponies) says:	Jul 31 19:14
DaemonFC	The teacher wrapped their eyes shut with duct tape and told them if they didn't cooperate, they'd be taken away in a white van.	Jul 31 19:14
DaemonFC	And what a wonderful career she could have had in the CIA. :)	Jul 31 19:14
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Civil society pushing open source in Bulgaria	Jul 31 19:15
TweetTuxMachines	http://t.co/uWd8saH0Lw (www.tuxmachines.org)	Jul 31 19:15
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/nbj6k	Jul 31 19:15
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Canonical Releases New Linux Kernel Update for	Jul 31 19:15
TweetTuxMachines	Ubuntu 14.04 LTS (Trusty Tahr)	Jul 31 19:15
TweetTuxMachines	http://t.co/TsQtzPB1vp (www.tuxmachines.org)	Jul 31 19:15
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/nbj6l	Jul 31 19:15
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Andalusia revamps its free software desktop	Jul 31 19:15
TweetTuxMachines	http://t.co/eOKVVemB8C (www.tuxmachines.org)	Jul 31 19:15
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/nbj6m	Jul 31 19:15
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DaemonFC	https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/no-flash/?src=ss	Jul 31 20:04
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-addons.mozilla.org \| No Flash :: Add-ons for Firefox [ http://ur1.ca/nbjk6 ]		Jul 31 20:04
DaemonFC	Changes embedded Flash videos to work with the HTML 5 player if you don't have Flash installed.	Jul 31 20:04
DaemonFC	Well, videos from Youtube anyway.	Jul 31 20:04
MinceR	youtube-dl is even better	Jul 31 20:06
MinceR	it lets you download and/or play youtube videos in a real video player :>	Jul 31 20:06
MinceR	(not realvideo)	Jul 31 20:06
MinceR	(or even audio player)	Jul 31 20:06
DaemonFC	http://www.windowscentral.com/report-windows-10-now-installed-67-million-pcs	Jul 31 20:07
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.windowscentral.com \| Report: Windows 10 is now installed on 67 million PCs as of this morning \| Windows Central [ http://ur1.ca/nbjkw ]		Jul 31 20:07
DaemonFC	There's extensions to download videos from within Firefox.	Jul 31 20:07
DaemonFC	Not just Youtube.	Jul 31 20:07
MinceR	indeed, and i have one	Jul 31 20:09
MinceR	but i prefer youtube-dl	Jul 31 20:09
MinceR	and it works with many other sites	Jul 31 20:09
DaemonFC	http://www.pcworld.com/article/2949827/windows/10-things-windows-10-failed-to-fix-or-flat-out-broke.html#slide1	Jul 31 20:11
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.pcworld.com \| 10 things Windows 10 failed to fix or flat-out broke \| PCWorld [ http://ur1.ca/nbjm9 ]		Jul 31 20:11
DaemonFC	Apparently, removing Windows Media Center is one thing that people are complaining about.	Jul 31 20:12
DaemonFC	If you had it installed, Windows 10 will install a DVD player app from the Windows Store, that can't play Blu Ray discs.	Jul 31 20:12
MinceR	some people inexplicably like winblows	Jul 31 20:12
MinceR	so it should be no surprise that some people inexplicably like winblows media center	Jul 31 20:12
DaemonFC	"Edge simply isn’t that great yet, as my colleague Mark Hachman noted in his Windows 10 review. It’s just so grey and bland, many of its killer features aren’t working great yet, and the browser can tax your hardware worse than Chrome in some scenarios."	Jul 31 20:13
DaemonFC	That's putting it mildly.	Jul 31 20:13
MinceR	what a surprise, ie isn't great	Jul 31 20:14
DaemonFC	Edge is worse.	Jul 31 20:14
DaemonFC	LOL	Jul 31 20:23
DaemonFC	Apple is going to port Apple Music to Android?	Jul 31 20:23
MinceR	indeed	Jul 31 20:23
DaemonFC	Probably the only way they can reach the economies of scale required to make the whole thing work. If they keep it on the iPhone, then they're limited to only about 1 in 5 smartphone users.	Jul 31 20:23
MinceR	they're admitting what their shills won't	Jul 31 20:23
MinceR	no, if they keep it on the hypePhone, then they're limited to 0% of smartphone users	Jul 31 20:24
MinceR	since the hypePhone is not a smartphone	Jul 31 20:24
DaemonFC	Completely derivative... There are how many music streaming services now?	Jul 31 20:27
DaemonFC	Google has one. Spotify has one. Slacker has one. Even Microsoft has one.	Jul 31 20:27
DaemonFC	Do we really need more?	Jul 31 20:27
MinceR	in theory, competition is good	Jul 31 20:30
MinceR	in practice, anything crApple does is pointless and harmful	Jul 31 20:30
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Benchmarking Debian GNU/Hurd 2015 vs. GNU/Linux	Jul 31 20:38
TweetTuxMachines	http://t.co/jSB6EsZGht (www.tuxmachines.org)	Jul 31 20:38
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/nbjsm	Jul 31 20:38
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DaemonFC	http://news.thewindowsclub.com/google-chrome-team-sends-congratulatory-cake-microsoft-edge-team-79518/	Jul 31 20:59
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-news.thewindowsclub.com \| Chrome team sends congratulatory cake to Edge team [ http://ur1.ca/nbjxv ]		Jul 31 20:59
MinceR	they should have congratulated m$ for ignoring users' preferences on "upgrading" and forcing ie-in-disguise on them	Jul 31 21:02
DaemonFC	J. R. Bob Dobbs (formerly ZOMG Pink Ponies) says:	Jul 31 21:07
DaemonFC	https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NPv1yRBo2u4	Jul 31 21:07
DaemonFC	Singers with one name by George Carlin.	Jul 31 21:07
DaemonFC	"Bono..... It's not bad enough that their music sucks, but with no last name you can't figure out where they live so you can go throw a ****ing bomb through their window. It's frustrating!"	Jul 31 21:07
DaemonFC	:)	Jul 31 21:07
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.youtube.com \| one name singers - YouTube [ http://ur1.ca/nbjzu ]		Jul 31 21:07
MinceR	lol	Jul 31 21:10
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DaemonFC	J. R. Bob Dobbs (formerly ZOMG Pink Ponies) says:	Jul 31 22:03
DaemonFC	http://cnet4.cbsistatic.com/hub/i/r/2015/07/01/8c7bc558-8fd9-48f6-9542-f49d8aba6ed6/resize/770x578/de43c1ef1627caebaf033e9c7620f46a/applemusicradiosucks.jpg	Jul 31 22:03
DaemonFC	Speaking of Apple, here's Apple Radio just working on an iPhone.	Jul 31 22:03
DaemonFC	"This operation could not be completed. An unknown error occurred. -12880"	Jul 31 22:03
oiaohm	DaemonFC: seen the Windows 10 fun message yet "something went wrong"	Jul 31 22:11
DaemonFC	It doesn't say something went wrong.	Jul 31 22:12
DaemonFC	It says something happened.	Jul 31 22:12
DaemonFC	J. R. Bob Dobbs (formerly ZOMG Pink Ponies) says:	Jul 31 22:12
DaemonFC	http://benjaminkerensa.com/2015/07/30/unnecessary-finger-pointing	Jul 31 22:12
DaemonFC	Here's another take on Microsoft hijacking your default browser with the Windows 10 installation.	Jul 31 22:12
DaemonFC	The author says that Mozilla shouldn't have expected anything less, and notes that Mozilla should have thought about that before inking a deal turning Firefox into a keylogger that sends your keystrokes to Microsoft by way of Yahoo, which is only a skin for Bing. Mozilla changed the default search engine from Google to Yahoo during a routine Firefox upgrade without asking their users (like me) if they wanted that, so they're really just the	Jul 31 22:12
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-benjaminkerensa.com \| Unnecessary Finger Pointing – Benjamin Kerensa [ http://ur1.ca/nbkge ]		Jul 31 22:12
DaemonFC	pot calling the kettle black.	Jul 31 22:12
DaemonFC	The only way Microsoft can get people to use Bing is through subterfuge and throwing money around. It wouldn't surprise me at all if Apple did change the default search engine to Bing. Even the iPhone users who hate Bing will say that they like it and it works perfectly once Apple makes up their mind for them. They'll all just fall into line.	Jul 31 22:12
oiaohm	DaemonFC: there is a something went wrong message as well.	Jul 31 22:14
oiaohm	When it fails to get the password hint.	Jul 31 22:14
oiaohm	Something happened is normally the wrong language.	Jul 31 22:15
oiaohm	DaemonFC: fun part windows new edge webrowser not Australian tax office compadible.	Jul 31 22:24
DaemonFC	J. R. Bob Dobbs (formerly ZOMG Pink Ponies) says:	Jul 31 22:29
DaemonFC	In all the years I've been using a PC, I've come to expect that Mac users are like smokers. They're obnoxious and they want the rest of the world to change around them to accomodate the fact that they bought the wrong gear.	Jul 31 22:29
oiaohm	DaemonFC: windows 10 has a lot of new Something messages.	Jul 31 22:29
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Benchmarking Debian GNU/Hurd 2015 vs. GNU/Linux	Jul 31 22:33
TweetTuxMachines	retweeted by http://t.co/jSB6EsZGht (www.tuxmachines.org)	Jul 31 22:33
TweetTuxMachines	@ningbojoe	Jul 31 22:33
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/nbklk	Jul 31 22:33
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines blackPanther OS 14.1 (Walking Dead) Unleashed	Jul 31 22:33
TweetTuxMachines	Worldwide, Download Now - Video	Jul 31 22:33
TweetTuxMachines	http://t.co/FPiNsmwIHo (www.tuxmachines.org)	Jul 31 22:33
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/nbklp	Jul 31 22:33
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org \| blackPanther OS 14.1 (Walking Dead) Unleashed Worldwide, Download Now - Video \| Tux Machines		Jul 31 22:33
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines GNOME Tracker 1.4 Gets Its First Point Release	Jul 31 22:33
TweetTuxMachines	with Dozens of Improvements and Fixes	Jul 31 22:33
TweetTuxMachines	http://t.co/dTW0NbkgqN (www.tuxmachines.org)	Jul 31 22:33
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/nbklq	Jul 31 22:33
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DaemonFC	http://www.androidcentral.com/windows-10-phone-companion-and-android-do-you-need-it	Jul 31 23:49
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.androidcentral.com \| The Windows 10 Phone Companion and Android: Do you need it? \| Android Central [ http://ur1.ca/nbl4a ]		Jul 31 23:49
DaemonFC	Windows 10 comes with an app designed to push Microsoft apps onto your phone.	Jul 31 23:49
DaemonFC	It opens itself when you plug your phone into the computer.	Jul 31 23:50
DaemonFC	It would be nice if I could remove OneNote, OneDrive, Lookout, and Hancom Office from my Galaxy S6.	Jul 31 23:51
DaemonFC	I'd rather have the 300 MB that they're occupying back.	Jul 31 23:51
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cubexyz	been looking for scientific software for FOSS and found this interesting ncurses program:	Aug 01 00:20
cubexyz	http://www.maxhost.org/other/electronic-periodic-table.png	Aug 01 00:20
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Samsung to release first Tizen Smartphone in	Aug 01 00:24
TweetTuxMachines	Egypt by early 2016 http://t.co/Ur1WlOoGuN	Aug 01 00:24
TweetTuxMachines	(www.tuxmachines.org)	Aug 01 00:24
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org \| Samsung to release first Tizen Smartphone in Egypt by early 2016 \| Tux Machines		Aug 01 00:24
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/nbldt	Aug 01 00:24
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines MKVToolNix Review - Powerful Tool to Split,	Aug 01 00:24
TweetTuxMachines	Merge, and Convert MKV Files	Aug 01 00:24
TweetTuxMachines	http://t.co/MtmwMGl493 (www.tuxmachines.org)	Aug 01 00:24
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/nbldv	Aug 01 00:24
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org \| MKVToolNix Review - Powerful Tool to Split, Merge, and Convert MKV Files \| Tux Machines		Aug 01 00:24
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Ubuntu Touch Might Receive Hotfixes Before	Aug 01 00:24
TweetTuxMachines	OTA-6, Major GCC 5 Transition in Effect	Aug 01 00:24
TweetTuxMachines	http://t.co/jTrFjgwmBP (www.tuxmachines.org)	Aug 01 00:24
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/nbldx	Aug 01 00:24
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DaemonFC	oiaohm, I assume that IE 11 is?	Aug 01 01:37
DaemonFC	It's still there. They just don't make it obvious that you can still use it just like you did before.	Aug 01 01:37
DaemonFC	It seems like it's not exactly the same IE 11 that was on Windows 8.	Aug 01 01:39
DaemonFC	It scored 348 on html5test.com, where IE 11 on Windows 8 scored 336.	Aug 01 01:40
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DaemonFC	Ryan Farmer	Aug 01 02:53
DaemonFC	1 min · Edited ·	Aug 01 02:53
DaemonFC	Starbucks is rolling out wireless charging for your phone.	Aug 01 02:53
DaemonFC	Galaxy S6 users just lay their phone down and it charges.	Aug 01 02:53
DaemonFC	iPhone 6 users have to buy a special "strap on" thing that plugs into their charging port and completely ruins the convenience (and the entire point) of wireless charging. Starbucks sells them for $9.99, but they are like half the size of the phone. It's really quite funny.	Aug 01 02:53
DaemonFC	I bought a Qi wireless charger for my nightstand and I don't believe I'll ever want a phone that can't do this again.	Aug 01 02:53
DaemonFC	(I have to admit, I feel a little bit guilty for staring at people using iPhones. For some reason, I have the opening music of 2001: A Space Odyssey playing in my mind.)	Aug 01 02:55
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DaemonFC	My next "laptop" will probably be a newer Chromebook.	Aug 01 03:10
DaemonFC	I've had a good experience with this one, but it's not aging very well.	Aug 01 03:10
DaemonFC	The screen is 11" and 1366 x 720 (iirc), and the 2 GB of RAM really isn't enough.	Aug 01 03:11
DaemonFC	I've been getting too many "He's dead, Jim!" tabs, which is what happens when it's out of memory.	Aug 01 03:11
DaemonFC	The memory requirements for Firefox 41 are way down.	Aug 01 03:36
DaemonFC	I had 32 tabs open a few hours ago, with Adblock Plus and a bunch of filters, and a bunch of other add-ons, and it was only using 438 MB of RAM.	Aug 01 03:36
DaemonFC	Ryan Farmer	Aug 01 03:41
DaemonFC	Just now · Edited ·	Aug 01 03:41
DaemonFC	It's time for Firefox to show Adobe Flash and Oracle Java to the door.	Aug 01 03:41
DaemonFC	I think that they need to strip out NPAPI plug in support and not replace it with anything. It would delete a bunch of code and potential security issues.	Aug 01 03:41
DaemonFC	Then they should take the "No Flash" add-on, which is available under the Mozilla Public License, and integrate it into the browser, to force embedded Youtube, Dailymotion, and other videos to use the HTML 5 player.	Aug 01 03:41
DaemonFC	If the Hacking Team memos that leaked out don't show us how foolish it is to have Flash installed, I don't know what would, and almost nothing actually needs Flash anymore. It's just a plug-in that's full of holes, and it's completely bloated and awful, and it's time to get rid of it.	Aug 01 03:41
DaemonFC	It's also time to deprecate 32-bit Firefox and make plans to end support for it. Having a 32-bit version isn't even funny anymore. The last 32-bit x86 CPU came off the line in 2003. I can't believe we're even still talking about this.	Aug 01 03:41
amarsh04	funnily enough I'm still running Debian i386 on one machine even though it has an Athlon CPU	Aug 01 03:52
amarsh04	time for a new kernel, back soon	Aug 01 03:53
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amarsh04	that was easy	Aug 01 03:58
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Adobe Brakets 1.4 An Awesome Text Editor	Aug 01 04:17
TweetTuxMachines	Released, Install In Ubuntu 15.04/14.04 Or	Aug 01 04:17
TweetTuxMachines	Derivatives http://t.co/vcbWiQhZfS	Aug 01 04:17
TweetTuxMachines	(www.tuxmachines.org)	Aug 01 04:17
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/nbn15	Aug 01 04:17
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Redis open source DBMS overview	Aug 01 04:32
TweetTuxMachines	http://t.co/ZXZNTW0ogP (www.tuxmachines.org)	Aug 01 04:32
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/nbn5u	Aug 01 04:32
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines 5 Best Linux Desktop Environments With Pros &	Aug 01 04:32
TweetTuxMachines	Cons http://t.co/mmjuPOlU80	Aug 01 04:32
TweetTuxMachines	(www.tuxmachines.org)	Aug 01 04:32
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org \| 5 Best Linux Desktop Environments With Pros & Cons \| Tux Machines		Aug 01 04:32
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/nbn5v	Aug 01 04:32
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Wifislax 4.11.1 Linux Distro Arrives with Linux	Aug 01 04:32
TweetTuxMachines	Kernel 4.1.3 LTS, Xfce 4.12.3	Aug 01 04:33
TweetTuxMachines	http://t.co/7cv7Hr3Rdf (www.tuxmachines.org)	Aug 01 04:33
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/nbn5x	Aug 01 04:33
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Most popular web browsers among Fedora users	Aug 01 04:33
TweetTuxMachines	https://t.co/viTv8Fp0aJ	Aug 01 04:33
TweetTuxMachines	(eischmann.wordpress.com)	Aug 01 04:33
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TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/nbn5z	Aug 01 04:33
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Canonical Releases New Linux Kernel Update for	Aug 01 04:36
TweetTuxMachines	Ubuntu 14.04 LTS (Trusty Tahr)	Aug 01 04:36
TweetTuxMachines	http://t.co/qhBCZDyj0P (linux.softpedia.com)	Aug 01 04:36
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/nbn6y	Aug 01 04:36
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Andalusia revamps its free software desktop	Aug 01 04:37
TweetTuxMachines	https://t.co/EPlkSfyJNp (joinup.ec.europa.eu)	Aug 01 04:37
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/nbn6z	Aug 01 04:37
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Benchmarking Debian GNU/Hurd 2015 vs. GNU/Linux	Aug 01 04:37
TweetTuxMachines	http://t.co/y3hA4f1MzP (www.phoronix.com)	Aug 01 04:37
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines blackPanther OS 14.1 (Walking Dead) Unleashed	Aug 01 04:43
TweetTuxMachines	Worldwide, Download Now - Video	Aug 01 04:43
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines GNOME Tracker 1.4 Gets Its First Point Release	Aug 01 04:43
TweetTuxMachines	with Dozens of Improvements and Fixes	Aug 01 04:43
TweetTuxMachines	http://t.co/KAoxcG1ZdD (news.softpedia.com)	Aug 01 04:43
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Samsung to release first Tizen Smartphone in	Aug 01 04:43
TweetTuxMachines	Egypt by early 2016 http://t.co/QbURKwRYLp	Aug 01 04:43
TweetTuxMachines	(www.tizenexperts.com)	Aug 01 04:43
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/nbn8j	Aug 01 04:43
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines MKVToolNix Review - Powerful Tool to Split,	Aug 01 04:52
TweetTuxMachines	Merge, and Convert MKV Files	Aug 01 04:52
TweetTuxMachines	http://t.co/Vhw37jVJNN (www.softpedia.com)	Aug 01 04:52
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Ubuntu Touch Might Receive Hotfixes Before	Aug 01 04:52
TweetTuxMachines	OTA-6, Major GCC 5 Transition in Effect	Aug 01 04:52
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Wifislax 4.11.1 Linux Distro Arrives with Linux	Aug 01 04:52
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Latest Ubuntu Touch SDK Updates Focus on	Aug 01 05:01
TweetTuxMachines	Convergence Features for OTA-6	Aug 01 05:01
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Linux Kernel 3.12.45 LTS Has ARM64 and x86	Aug 01 05:01
TweetTuxMachines	Fixes, Numerous Updated Drivers	Aug 01 05:01
TweetTuxMachines	http://t.co/gtz1nVthsD (news.softpedia.com)	Aug 01 05:01
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TweetTuxMachines	Convergence Features for OTA-6	Aug 01 05:01
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines US House Opens Up to Open Source	Aug 01 05:07
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Linux Kernel 3.12.45 LTS Has ARM64 and x86	Aug 01 05:07
TweetTuxMachines	Fixes, Numerous Updated Drivers	Aug 01 05:07
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Compact module runs Linux on quadCompact module	Aug 01 05:08
TweetTuxMachines	runs Linux on quad-core Braswell-core Braswell	Aug 01 05:08
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oiaohm	KDE 5 on debian annoying mostly by applications not updated yet.	Aug 01 05:25
msb__	I use lynx to view html versions of emails, and a lot of times i'm getting 403 forbidden when I try to go thru a link, and it's always from nginx. Does nginx not like lynx?	Aug 01 05:29
cubexyz	it may be https	Aug 01 05:29
cubexyz	can't remember if lynx can handle that	Aug 01 05:30
msb__	It's not, it's http.	Aug 01 05:30
msb__	Besides, it's nginx that's having the problem, not lynx.	Aug 01 05:31
cubexyz	which url?	Aug 01 05:31
msb__	http://www.paulcraigroberts.org/2015/07/29/incongruities-news-paul-craig-roberts/	Aug 01 05:31
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DaemonFC	Bleh. Chrome is an "Android system app" now.	Aug 01 05:32
DaemonFC	There's 100 MB wasted.	Aug 01 05:32
msb__	If I run lynx from the command line and give it that url the same thing happens.	Aug 01 05:33
cubexyz	try links instead	Aug 01 05:34
cubexyz	could be mod_security disallows lynx	Aug 01 05:38
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msb__	links works	Aug 01 05:41
oiaohm	msb__: do check your lynx version	Aug 01 05:42
oiaohm	Opps I notice my lynx has UA masked.	Aug 01 05:44
msb__	2.8.6 or 2.8.7	Aug 01 05:44
oiaohm	Mine lynx 2.8.9dev.6 and without modification it gets 403 from that site.	Aug 01 05:45
cubexyz	just for fun rename your lynx command as xnyl and try it again	Aug 01 05:45
cubexyz	I'm just curious	Aug 01 05:46
cubexyz	ah don't bother	Aug 01 05:47
cubexyz	same thing	Aug 01 05:47
msb__	I made a softlink and called that, same thing.	Aug 01 05:47
oiaohm	msb__: lynx --useragent=woof http://www.paulcraigroberts.org/2015/07/29/incongruities-news-paul-craig-roberts/	Aug 01 05:48
oiaohm	And it will work/	Aug 01 05:48
oiaohm	Its a useragent filter.	Aug 01 05:48
cubexyz	ha	Aug 01 05:48
cubexyz	but why?	Aug 01 05:49
oiaohm	Don't know.	Aug 01 05:49
msb__	After I exit, lynx says: Warning: User-Agent string does not contain "Lynx" or "L_y_n_x"!	Aug 01 05:50
oiaohm	lynx --useragent=Lynx http://www.paulcraigroberts.org/2015/07/29/incongruities-news-paul-craig-roberts/	Aug 01 05:50
oiaohm	Works as well	Aug 01 05:50
msb__	It's not only that website, it's lots of websites.	Aug 01 05:50
cubexyz	some silly default	Aug 01 05:52
cubexyz	why block lynx but not links?	Aug 01 05:52
oiaohm	lynx --useragent="Lynx/2.8.3dev.6 libwww-FM/2.14" http://www.paulcraigroberts.org/2015/07/29/incongruities-news-paul-craig-roberts/ This one fails	Aug 01 05:54
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oiaohm	lynx --useragent="Lynx/2.8.3dev.6" http://www.paulcraigroberts.org/2015/07/29/incongruities-news-paul-craig-roberts/ and this one works	Aug 01 05:55
oiaohm	lynx --useragent="Lynx (textmode)" http://www.paulcraigroberts.org/2015/07/29/incongruities-news-paul-craig-roberts/ and this one works.	Aug 01 05:57
oiaohm	msb__: note Lynx (textmode) is a generic when Lynx is not to tell version.	Aug 01 05:57
oiaohm	cubexyz: blocking does not always make sanity.	Aug 01 05:58
msb__	The frammis web browser (user agent) works too.	Aug 01 05:58
cubexyz	so it only blocks useragent lynx and nothing else?	Aug 01 05:58
msb__	someone is an idiot	Aug 01 05:59
oiaohm	lynx can be a spider.	Aug 01 05:59
msb__	wget works	Aug 01 06:00
msb__	wget is definitely a spider	Aug 01 06:01
msb__	or can be	Aug 01 06:01
cubexyz	yes but couldn't links also be a spider?	Aug 01 06:01
oiaohm	-crawl with -traversal, output each page to a file. with -dump, format output as with -traversal, but to the standard output. << these in lynx	Aug 01 06:02
msb__	presumably, if it can download web pages	Aug 01 06:02
oiaohm	msb__: wget does not run at the insane speed lynx can attempt.	Aug 01 06:02
msb__	but frammis does	Aug 01 06:02
msb__	some shithead nginx dev just decided to block lynx	Aug 01 06:03
msb__	google finds others reporting the same problem, and recommending changing useragent string.	Aug 01 06:04
msb__	I think wget runs as fast as it can unless you tell it not to.	Aug 01 06:05
oiaohm	http://wiki.nginx.org/LimitBrowsers O my	Aug 01 06:05
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cubexyz	I'd just block the ip of any troublemakers	Aug 01 06:05
oiaohm	The idea of filtering by useragent is nothing more than a temporary measure at best.	Aug 01 06:08
msb__	Assholes! It should just serve the web page and let the browser do as well as it can with it.	Aug 01 06:08
msb__	blocking lynx must be in nginx by default	Aug 01 06:09
msb__	Theres no reason why any user would put it in.	Aug 01 06:09
oiaohm	msb__: I would not be too sure.	Aug 01 06:10
msb__	oiaohm: They think spiders are poisonous?	Aug 01 06:11
oiaohm	lynx --useragent="Lynx/2.8.3dev.6 -FM/2.14" http://www.paulcraigroberts.org/2015/07/29/incongruities-news-paul-craig-roberts/ << this works	Aug 01 06:13
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oiaohm	lynx --useragent="libwww" http://www.paulcraigroberts.org/2015/07/29/incongruities-news-paul-craig-roberts/ this fails	Aug 01 06:13
oiaohm	Ok what is libwww	Aug 01 06:13
msb__	https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EQrQjNNZCAo	Aug 01 06:15
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oiaohm	msb__: I think I have found the problem.	Aug 01 06:15
oiaohm	msb__: someone has written an overally nasty rule.	Aug 01 06:16
oiaohm	https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Libwww	Aug 01 06:16
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-en.wikipedia.org \| libwww - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia		Aug 01 06:16
oiaohm	libwww is a old library applications are not meant to use any more.	Aug 01 06:16
msb__	so?	Aug 01 06:17
msb__	why should nginx block it?	Aug 01 06:17
oiaohm	libwww is techically unmaintained Lynx uses libwww-FM version that is maintained and is a fork.	Aug 01 06:18
oiaohm	So it trying to block unmaintained.	Aug 01 06:18
oiaohm	And is shotting lynx by mistake.	Aug 01 06:18
oiaohm	This is why when you fork a project keeping an almost identical name is a bad thing.	Aug 01 06:19
msb__	I love Papa Oom Mow Mow!	Aug 01 06:20
msb__	How does an unmaintained browser hurt a web server?	Aug 01 06:21
oiaohm	msb__: using more connections than it should.	Aug 01 06:22
msb__	Hell, it probably uses only one.	Aug 01 06:22
oiaohm	libwww can end up using 5	Aug 01 06:23
oiaohm	libwww-FM is 1	Aug 01 06:23
oiaohm	lets say that old broken is exactly that msb__	Aug 01 06:23
msb__	except lynx ain't broken	Aug 01 06:23
oiaohm	Yep lynx is not broken and its getting mistaken identiy with a broken.	Aug 01 06:24
msb__	Except by the Poettering Principle -- only new stuff is any good, all the rest must be forbidden.	Aug 01 06:24
oiaohm	No this is not a poettering Pirnciple.	Aug 01 06:24
oiaohm	Sections of the http protocol has been fixed over the years.	Aug 01 06:24
msb__	I'll just set the useragent. I call lynx from a bash script anyhow.	Aug 01 06:25
oiaohm	http://httpd.apache.org/docs/2.0/misc/known_client_problems.html	Aug 01 06:27
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oiaohm	Also Lynx has a bug msb__	Aug 01 06:28
msb__	Everything has bugs. The important thing is whether they work well enough.	Aug 01 06:30
oiaohm	msb__: Lynx claims to support --Transparent content negotiation-- when it does not.	Aug 01 06:30
msb__	big whoop	Aug 01 06:30
oiaohm	Web servers are getting strict msb__	Aug 01 06:30
oiaohm	If you client claims to support stuff and it does not they just blacklist it.	Aug 01 06:31
oiaohm	msb__ https://www.ietf.org/rfc/rfc2295.txt Transparent content negotiation its quite a useful feature	Aug 01 06:34
msb__	oiaohm: So? If I want to see a fancy rendering I'll go there with Firefox. Otherwise lynx rapidly shows me the text.	Aug 01 06:38
msb__	Great article by Paul Craig Roberts, as always!	Aug 01 06:38
oiaohm	msb__: Multi langauge site might have more than 1 language per URI.	Aug 01 06:40
msb__	OK, problem fixed and I got Papa Oom Mow Mow! Thanks, guys!	Aug 01 06:40
oiaohm	msb__: using Lynx you will get what ever is first on the list at times.	Aug 01 06:40
oiaohm	Basically Transparent content negotiation failure is not exactly fun.	Aug 01 06:41
oiaohm	links does support it msb__	Aug 01 06:41
msb__	I sure wouldn't to have less than a 100percent perfect "user experience"! </sarcasm>	Aug 01 06:42
msb__	I sure wouldn't want to have less than a 100percent perfect "user experience"! </sarcasm>	Aug 01 06:42
oiaohm	web adminstators don't want stack of strange complaints.	Aug 01 06:43
oiaohm	I have a fun bug.	Aug 01 06:46
oiaohm	My samsung monitor with a hdmi port and no speakers for some reason by Nvidia gets called an audio device when on DVI	Aug 01 06:47
DaemonFC	J. R. Bob Dobbs (formerly ZOMG Pink Ponies) says:	Aug 01 06:50
DaemonFC	The iPhone 6 is so fragile that even with the Lifeproof case on them, their Facebook wall is covered with horror stories about people who dropped their iPhone about a foot with the $100 case on it, and the screen completely shattered under the case.	Aug 01 06:50
DaemonFC	"I dropped my phone off the couch... My iPhone screen shatters.. I call customer service and they say, well we will cover the case.."	Aug 01 06:50
DaemonFC	"I was in the water for maybe 20 minutes with the case completely closed and I looked at my iphone 6 and it was water logged. The mute/sound button broke within 3 weeks of having the case. I have to buy a new phone now because the case leaked water from the finger print scanner."	Aug 01 06:50
DaemonFC	"My iphone 6 dropped in the pool and enough water got in and completely damaged it. They offered to give me a new case which is great... if i had a phone. But i dont have one now unless i want to pay $700 for a new iphone 6."	Aug 01 06:50
DaemonFC	Although, one iPhone moron got lucky....	Aug 01 06:50
DaemonFC	"I just ran over my iphone with my Honda Odyssey and left it in a hot parking lot for over two hours before I found it.. The front sticker had fallen off but it had not even a scratch and still works great! I will definitely be buying a replacement, this case is Awesome!"	Aug 01 06:50
DaemonFC	It says on page six of the owner's manual to test for leakage WITHOUT the phone in the case before you install the case. As for all the cracked and crushed screens from one or two foot drops. Well, they are iPhones. I'm not sure they're blaming the right company. My old LG G2 flew out of my hands while I was on a bicycle and hit the street face down at about 14 miles per hour (my average cycling speed, so that's just an educated guess),	Aug 01 06:50
DaemonFC	flipped over, hit the road again on the other side, and the process repeated a few more times. No screen protector on it. I picked it up. It didn't have a scratch. That's just what you get when you buy a quality product. Not that Apple users would know anything about that, and it's my sincere recommendation that they never reproduce.	Aug 01 06:50
DaemonFC	Oh, it's only a $700 phone. Why wouldn't you RUN OVER IT WITH A HONDA ODYSSEY!? LOL@THEM! ;)	Aug 01 06:50
DaemonFC	Maybe Apple is making so much money because of all the extra iPhones you have to buy due to their, errrm, early demise?	Aug 01 06:50
oiaohm	DaemonFC: yep it a good way of increasing sales.	Aug 01 06:51
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MinceR	http://suckless.org/sucks/systemd	Aug 01 07:10
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-suckless.org \| sucks - systemd \| suckless.org software that sucks less		Aug 01 07:10
schestowitz	https://twitter.com/braa_areefy/status/627441044108357632	Aug 01 07:32
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@braa_areefy: @schestowitz the bin laden's are the 2nd richest family in saudi arabia after the royal family which they worth over 450 billion dollars		Aug 01 07:32
MinceR	"worth"	Aug 01 07:32
schestowitz	MinceR: new page?	Aug 01 07:32
schestowitz	I thjnk the site ain't	Aug 01 07:32
schestowitz	not sure about the page	Aug 01 07:32
MinceR	yes, it's dated yesterday	Aug 01 07:32
schestowitz	seen the site before	Aug 01 07:32
MinceR	(at the bottom of the page)	Aug 01 07:32
schestowitz	MinceR: I've shared it online just now	Aug 01 07:33
schestowitz	to give it some hits	Aug 01 07:33
oiaohm	MinceR: I can see a bug on that suckless page already.	Aug 01 07:56
oiaohm	http://www.cyberciti.biz/tips/segmentation-fault-on-linux-unix.html	Aug 01 07:56
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oiaohm	Define of abnormal failure and a standard failure is a Unix thing MinceR	Aug 01 07:56
oiaohm	Just systemd splits those two.	Aug 01 07:57
oiaohm	systemctl -H command in fact does not connect directly to PID 1	Aug 01 07:59
oiaohm	Connect to a proxy.	Aug 01 07:59
oiaohm	MinceR: http://unix.ittoolbox.com/groups/technical-functional/ibm-aix-l/what-happens-after-restore-the-factory-default-settings-913152a-server-5414417	Aug 01 08:01
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-unix.ittoolbox.com \| What Happens After Restore the Factory Default Settings 9131-52a Server - Toolbox for IT Groups		Aug 01 08:01
oiaohm	AIX was first to implement restore to factory settings.	Aug 01 08:01
oiaohm	Windows and Systemd and everyone is copying that.	Aug 01 08:01
oiaohm	MinceR: should go on. This is my problem these sites have so much wrong its not funny.	Aug 01 08:01
MinceR	negligible compared to how much systemd gets wrong	Aug 01 08:02
oiaohm	Linux in high end server world has to compete against AIX and the like.	Aug 01 08:02
cubexyz	AIX is horribly expensive	Aug 01 08:02
oiaohm	MinceR: over 80 of that page is wrong.	Aug 01 08:02
oiaohm	MinceR: 80%	Aug 01 08:02
cubexyz	don't you have to buy IBM's hardware to run it?	Aug 01 08:02
oiaohm	cubexyz: yep AIX is insanely expensive	Aug 01 08:02
oiaohm	cubexyz: yep its IBM hardware only.	Aug 01 08:03
oiaohm	And to take over AIX market share you have to have it features.	Aug 01 08:03
MinceR	but you don't have to have its reliability?	Aug 01 08:04
cubexyz	is it reliable? :)	Aug 01 08:04
cubexyz	I suppose it must be since it's so $$$$	Aug 01 08:04
MinceR	compared to systemd, most likely	Aug 01 08:04
cubexyz	everything is doing their own thing these days	Aug 01 08:04
oiaohm	MinceR: LOOLLLLLLLLL	Aug 01 08:05
oiaohm	MinceR: you have never used AIX have you	Aug 01 08:05
MinceR	i haven't	Aug 01 08:05
MinceR	i've (unwittingly) used lendows, though	Aug 01 08:05
oiaohm	If you think systemd can do evil things to you.	Aug 01 08:05
oiaohm	AIX do way worse.	Aug 01 08:05
oiaohm	AIX can get into a process starting and stopping loop.	Aug 01 08:05
oiaohm	As it dependany tree goes completely stupid.	Aug 01 08:06
MinceR	systemd can fail to start services it was configured to start	Aug 01 08:06
oiaohm	MinceR: AIX will kill service so it can start another one	Aug 01 08:06
cubexyz	openbsd has been the most reliable OS i have used	Aug 01 08:06
MinceR	and for all the dependency tree hype, it still heavily relies on arbitrary delay times	Aug 01 08:06
cubexyz	but I never tried AIX for obvious reasons	Aug 01 08:06
MinceR	just like windows	Aug 01 08:07
oiaohm	The when the other starts it and find the first not there repeat the process over and over again.	Aug 01 08:07
oiaohm	systemd takes the sanish path otu.	Aug 01 08:07
oiaohm	O it failed leave it down.	Aug 01 08:07
cubexyz	I think IBM might have pretty reliable hardware though	Aug 01 08:07
oiaohm	AIX configured perfectly is solid	Aug 01 08:08
cubexyz	again, how could they justify their prices otherwise	Aug 01 08:08
oiaohm	Slightly missed configured it will drive you nuts.	Aug 01 08:08
MinceR	cubexyz: with FUD. "nobody got fired for choosing IBM"	Aug 01 08:09
cubexyz	I'd say IBM is on the way down these days	Aug 01 08:09
cubexyz	not sure if that's good or not	Aug 01 08:09
MinceR	IBM is dying	Aug 01 08:09
MinceR	and at this point, it's good	Aug 01 08:09
MinceR	their crApple advertising deserves to die	Aug 01 08:09
MinceR	and rational deserves to die	Aug 01 08:09
oiaohm	file-hierarchy man complaint shows the person never read it MinceR. Its a FHS standard in a man page.	Aug 01 08:10
cubexyz	you didn't like PS/2s? :)	Aug 01 08:10
MinceR	oiaohm: afaik the one they're referring to is not the FHS manpage	Aug 01 08:10
oiaohm	MinceR: No its not.	Aug 01 08:10
MinceR	cubexyz: afaik IBM sold their PC division to Lenovo ages ago	Aug 01 08:10
oiaohm	MinceR: there is no FHS man page.	Aug 01 08:10
cubexyz	they got the whole cast of M.A.S.H. telling you how good it was :)	Aug 01 08:10
MinceR	oiaohm: at any rate, it doesn't belong to systemd	Aug 01 08:10
oiaohm	MinceR: there is a FHS info fiile.	Aug 01 08:10
cubexyz	maybe no one remembers that	Aug 01 08:10
MinceR	it's marketed as an init system	Aug 01 08:10
MinceR	most of FHS is irrelevant to an init system.	Aug 01 08:11
oiaohm	Systemd auths wrote it in a man page to make it more accessable.	Aug 01 08:11
MinceR	cubexyz: m$ also got various airheaded celebrities advertising winblows	Aug 01 08:11
MinceR	that didn't make winblows any good	Aug 01 08:11
oiaohm	MinceR: anyone writting applications should be following the FHS	Aug 01 08:11
MinceR	oiaohm: if only they spent that time on documenting their own code instead.	Aug 01 08:11
oiaohm	on Linux.	Aug 01 08:11
cubexyz	MinceR, that is true	Aug 01 08:11
cubexyz	kind of a turn off really	Aug 01 08:12
oiaohm	MinceR: note some systemd authors were not placing stuff in the correct place.	Aug 01 08:12
cubexyz	I mean the celebrities opinion isn't too useful	Aug 01 08:12
MinceR	oiaohm: not surprising, given the amount of "stuff"	Aug 01 08:12
oiaohm	MinceR: the man page become a point to thing.	Aug 01 08:12
cubexyz	you know they are paid to shill whatever	Aug 01 08:12
MinceR	oiaohm: "Keep It Simple, Stupid"	Aug 01 08:12
oiaohm	Since then at least the sub programs follow the rules.	Aug 01 08:12
oiaohm	MinceR: a 80 document is not simple MinceR	Aug 01 08:13
MinceR	neither is systemd	Aug 01 08:13
oiaohm	MinceR: file-hierarchy man page takes a 80 page item and condences it down to 2 pages.	Aug 01 08:13
MinceR	they can't be arsed to read the original?	Aug 01 08:13
MinceR	that would be time not spent on writing crap code, i guess	Aug 01 08:14
oiaohm	The oringal has historic reference notes.	Aug 01 08:14
cubexyz	what if it were 20 pages, or 100? :)	Aug 01 08:14
oiaohm	Directory you should not use any more.	Aug 01 08:14
MinceR	systemd authors should have learned their history	Aug 01 08:14
MinceR	then they wouldn't be making old mistakes again	Aug 01 08:14
MinceR	same is true for the lendows gui authors	Aug 01 08:14
oiaohm	Some things systemd has done are ok.	Aug 01 08:15
MinceR	that is suspect	Aug 01 08:15
cubexyz	really I expect all of it Linux/BSD/Whatever will be supplanted by something else simpler and better	Aug 01 08:15
oiaohm	making the file-hierarchy man page with the current stuff only.	Aug 01 08:15
MinceR	so far what i've seen is that if there's something they can get wrong, they will	Aug 01 08:15
oiaohm	That is a good move.	Aug 01 08:15
oiaohm	Yet some people complained about it.	Aug 01 08:15
cubexyz	which OS do you use oiaohm? sorry I know I've asked that before	Aug 01 08:16
oiaohm	MinceR: have you ever looked at what systemd has got right.	Aug 01 08:17
oiaohm	cubexyz: debian	Aug 01 08:17
MinceR	oiaohm: i have yet to find such a thing	Aug 01 08:17
cubexyz	ok, right	Aug 01 08:17
oiaohm	cubexyz: Mix between debian stable/testing and sid	Aug 01 08:17
MinceR	i miss the days when debian "stable" was actually stable	Aug 01 08:17
oiaohm	MinceR: I have used debian from 0.90	Aug 01 08:18
XRevan86	I miss the days when debian "testing" was actually stable.	Aug 01 08:18
oiaohm	So what version are you talking about was stable.	Aug 01 08:18
oiaohm	XRevan86: you never pushed testing.	Aug 01 08:18
XRevan86	oiaohm: pushed?	Aug 01 08:18
MinceR	oiaohm: at least lenny, squeeze and wheezy	Aug 01 08:18
oiaohm	I have used debian since 1994 XRevan86	Aug 01 08:18
oiaohm	MinceR: I managed to break all those three at different times.	Aug 01 08:19
MinceR	i think i used ubuntu before that, and gentoo before that, and red hat before that	Aug 01 08:19
MinceR	and there was a bit of arch somewhere in there, iirc	Aug 01 08:19
oiaohm	My system has 12 WM managers and 4 desktop envorinements istalled	Aug 01 08:19
MinceR	oiaohm: afaik debian didn't even have a stable release until 1996	Aug 01 08:19
oiaohm	Yes this is a true asking for it configuration.	Aug 01 08:20
oiaohm	MinceR: I used debain before it was stable.	Aug 01 08:20
MinceR	i was talking about stable, though	Aug 01 08:20
oiaohm	Install enough windows managers with confliting support software it would always break.	Aug 01 08:20
MinceR	never happened to me	Aug 01 08:21
MinceR	and i did test many wm-s	Aug 01 08:21
oiaohm	Let take what I am currently running.	Aug 01 08:21
cubexyz	I'm running a bunch of wm's with no problems:	Aug 01 08:22
cubexyz	http://www.maxhost.org/other/kdm.png	Aug 01 08:22
cubexyz	even running them simultaneously :)	Aug 01 08:23
oiaohm	I have kmix and print-manager from KDE4 on KDE 5 But before this I was using kwin from KDE5 with KDE4	Aug 01 08:23
cubexyz	don't ask me what custom is though, I've never tried it	Aug 01 08:23
oiaohm	I also have a few gnomes mixing with each other.	Aug 01 08:24
oiaohm	Into the mix.	Aug 01 08:24
MinceR	i'm guessing custom is your xsession script	Aug 01 08:24
cubexyz	you know, I never really liked gnome	Aug 01 08:24
XRevan86	cubexyz: ls /usr/share/xsessions/	Aug 01 08:24
oiaohm	MinceR: these days I am abusing something different.	Aug 01 08:24
cubexyz	XRevan86, found not found	Aug 01 08:25
cubexyz	er, file not found	Aug 01 08:25
oiaohm	~/.config/autostart/	Aug 01 08:25
oiaohm	Is so much fun.	Aug 01 08:25
oiaohm	You know people complain about have psensors installed and having it start all the time.	Aug 01 08:26
oiaohm	Simple fix add a no file to the home directory autostart	Aug 01 08:26
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oiaohm	XRevan86: you reminded my I need to fix my login as chrome and chromuim	Aug 01 08:29
oiaohm	XRevan86: done	Aug 01 08:34
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oiaohm	MinceR: worst mistake on that site you brought in is complaining about logind learning a type web. Completely missing that apache had been calling pam at times. http://tldp.org/HOWTO/User-Authentication-HOWTO/x316.html	Aug 01 08:39
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MinceR	what has logind got to do with apache?	Aug 01 08:40
XRevan86	oiaohm: Chromium login?	Aug 01 08:40
oiaohm	--logind learned a new session type "web", for use in projects like Cockpit which register web clients as PAM sessions.-- This is the modification to systemd. That the site you linked to complains about.	Aug 01 08:42
oiaohm	XRevan86: Login using Chromium browser as the only thing.	Aug 01 08:42
MinceR	when did apache become a client?	Aug 01 08:42
MinceR	i know apache is bloated, but this is ridiculous	Aug 01 08:43
oiaohm	MinceR: apache was the first http server to allow PAM logins.	Aug 01 08:43
oiaohm	Worse changing uid and gid based on the PAM logins.	Aug 01 08:43
cubexyz	I prefer osmium logins, they carry more weight :)	Aug 01 08:43
MinceR	:)	Aug 01 08:43
oiaohm	logind adds a sandboxing flag.	Aug 01 08:43
oiaohm	web the login has come by web server.	Aug 01 08:44
oiaohm	Also that allows rejection rules like no root.	Aug 01 08:44
MinceR	why not uranium?	Aug 01 08:44
oiaohm	So the logind web flag is correct.	Aug 01 08:44
oiaohm	Insane but correct	Aug 01 08:44
MinceR	oiaohm: again, what is this doing in a piece of software that is marketed as an "init system"?	Aug 01 08:45
oiaohm	Question why logind is in systemd correct. But a lot of what logind is doing understand enough is required.	Aug 01 08:45
MinceR	no, it is not required	Aug 01 08:46
oiaohm	O yes it is.	Aug 01 08:46
MinceR	clean, stable and portable interfaces are required	Aug 01 08:46
oiaohm	There have been a lot of total system hacks from web servers using pam.	Aug 01 08:46
MinceR	mashing all the software in the world into a nasty, unmanageable blob is not required	Aug 01 08:46
oiaohm	logind is a define interface	Aug 01 08:46
oiaohm	that has been implemented by many parties.	Aug 01 08:46
MinceR	most of which is defined as unstable, yet used by gdm?	Aug 01 08:46
oiaohm	including BSD and consolekit2	Aug 01 08:47
MinceR	oh, who are those many parties?	Aug 01 08:47
cubexyz	when I do a remote gui login is that a PAM login?	Aug 01 08:47
MinceR	again, if logind has a "define interface", why doesn't it use that to interface with the service manager, instead of being tightly coupled to one?	Aug 01 08:47
XRevan86	LoginKit?	Aug 01 08:48
MinceR	if it has a "define interface", why is it only compatible with systemd that has the exact same version number (and sits in the exact same repository)?	Aug 01 08:48
cubexyz	no PAM until Redhat 5.0 btw	Aug 01 08:49
cubexyz	you can do shadow passwords without PAM	Aug 01 08:49
MinceR	slackware probably does that	Aug 01 08:50
cubexyz	MinceR, I think you're right	Aug 01 08:51
oiaohm	MinceR: http://www.freedesktop.org/wiki/Software/systemd/logind/	Aug 01 08:53
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oiaohm	Logind turns out to be one part of systemd that is well and truly documented.	Aug 01 08:53
MinceR	why didn't anyone tell the gdm developers that?	Aug 01 08:53
oiaohm	sddm and lightdm developers managed to get it right MinceR	Aug 01 08:54
oiaohm	Yes I don't know what the gdm developers smoked when they did the logind stuff but it was not good.	Aug 01 08:54
MinceR	aren't they on redcrap payroll?	Aug 01 08:55
oiaohm	Turns out no they are not MinceR	Aug 01 08:55
oiaohm	MinceR: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Features/NewGdm Fedora/Redhat runs there own fork.	Aug 01 08:57
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oiaohm	MinceR: notice the two names RayStrode, JonMccann	Aug 01 08:57
oiaohm	https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/GNOME_Display_Manager	Aug 01 08:58
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oiaohm	MinceR: then notice the names here.	Aug 01 08:58
oiaohm	No match at all.	Aug 01 08:58
MinceR	The GNOME Project (William Jon McCann, Brian Cameron, Ray Strode)	Aug 01 08:58
MinceR	Name: RayStrode, JonMccann	Aug 01 08:58
MinceR	yeah, no match whatsoever	Aug 01 08:59
oiaohm	MinceR: who is the one in charge of the main brance	Aug 01 08:59
oiaohm	branch	Aug 01 08:59
oiaohm	Brian Cameron	Aug 01 08:59
MinceR	no idea	Aug 01 08:59
oiaohm	Gnome policy against commercial control.	Aug 01 09:00
oiaohm	So you end up with the wrong people in charge.	Aug 01 09:00
oiaohm	And you end up with stupid forks.	Aug 01 09:00
MinceR	looks like they're not taking that policy seriously	Aug 01 09:00
MinceR	if they did, gnome would not depend on systemd	Aug 01 09:00
cubexyz	seems like a bad design	Aug 01 09:01
cubexyz	so you can't use gnome without also using systemd?	Aug 01 09:01
MinceR	you probably can, if you use the funtoo patches	Aug 01 09:01
MinceR	to gnome, that is	Aug 01 09:02
oiaohm	https://wiki.gnome.org/BrianCameron	Aug 01 09:02
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oiaohm	cubexyz: you can use gnome without systemd.	Aug 01 09:02
oiaohm	but you need distrobutions to have updated a particular package.	Aug 01 09:02
MinceR	i'm guessing that "particular package" is systemd	Aug 01 09:03
MinceR	"you can have it in any color you want, as long as it's black."	Aug 01 09:03
oiaohm	MinceR: wrong	Aug 01 09:03
oiaohm	http://consolekit2.github.io/ConsoleKit2/	Aug 01 09:04
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oiaohm	Before logind Linux systems used a older soltuion called consolekit MinceR	Aug 01 09:04
MinceR	if it ends in "kit", that's a bad sign	Aug 01 09:04
oiaohm	Consolekit went end of life.	Aug 01 09:04
MinceR	yeah, it was pushed off a cliff	Aug 01 09:04
oiaohm	Consolekit2 is the current uptodate version.	Aug 01 09:04
MinceR	to make way for glorious systemd	Aug 01 09:04
oiaohm	Consolekit2 contains Logind interfaces	Aug 01 09:05
oiaohm	So no need for systemd to use stuff depending on logind	Aug 01 09:05
MinceR	the ones gdm depends on?	Aug 01 09:05
oiaohm	Yep	Aug 01 09:05
oiaohm	Same with lightdm and sddm	Aug 01 09:05
oiaohm	Consolekit2 + openrc is very functional.	Aug 01 09:06
MinceR	i'm sure redcrap is working on that	Aug 01 09:06
MinceR	assuming it's true	Aug 01 09:06
oiaohm	Consolekit2 comes out of gentoo	Aug 01 09:06
oiaohm	Same with openrc	Aug 01 09:06
oiaohm	Your no alterative to systemd arguement has not been true MinceR	Aug 01 09:07
oiaohm	MinceR: https://wiki.gnome.org/Projects/ConsoleKit	Aug 01 09:09
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oiaohm	MinceR: if you had read a little more.	Aug 01 09:09
MinceR	it's not like redcrap won't try all the tricks in the m$ book to change that	Aug 01 09:09
oiaohm	KDE and Gnome and LXDE guys are checking there DM's against consolekit2	Aug 01 09:09
MinceR	http://lists.freedesktop.org/archives/systemd-devel/2014-May/019657.html	Aug 01 09:09
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MinceR	no way.	Aug 01 09:09
MinceR	kde announced they'll depend on systemd in this month	Aug 01 09:09
oiaohm	No MinceR	Aug 01 09:10
oiaohm	They said they would depend on logind	Aug 01 09:10
oiaohm	they did not say systemd	Aug 01 09:10
MinceR	which is a part of systemd	Aug 01 09:10
oiaohm	logind is consolekit2	Aug 01 09:10
MinceR	no, consolekit2 is consolekit2	Aug 01 09:10
oiaohm	No systemd is 1 implementation.	Aug 01 09:10
MinceR	yeah, just like windows is "1 implementation" of the windows api	Aug 01 09:10
oiaohm	logind is a api define.	Aug 01 09:11
MinceR	and internet explorer is "1 implementation" of what m$ wishes the web standards were	Aug 01 09:11
oiaohm	Now tested implemtentions KDE and GNome are using.	Aug 01 09:11
MinceR	(probably not too far since tbl sold out to them)	Aug 01 09:11
oiaohm	is that it works with consolekit, systemd and what ever openbsd does.	Aug 01 09:11
oiaohm	consolekit2 I should have typed there.	Aug 01 09:12
oiaohm	Reality is dependance on Logind is not dependance on systemd when the upstream developers are demarding testing against the other solutions.	Aug 01 09:12
oiaohm	Please remember lot of developers in KDE are gentoo.	Aug 01 09:13
MinceR	ooh, "testing"	Aug 01 09:13
MinceR	i doubt they even know that word at redcrap	Aug 01 09:13
oiaohm	But gentoo and BSD guys know what testing means. MinceR	Aug 01 09:13
MinceR	except in this context: "nobody of us tests this"	Aug 01 09:13
MinceR	https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=74589	Aug 01 09:13
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oiaohm	And will not put up with being stuck with a Init system they cannot remove.	Aug 01 09:14
MinceR	oiaohm: is that why gentoo added support for systemd, with the reasoning that this will let you use gnome?	Aug 01 09:14
oiaohm	systemd addition in gentoo is not gdm logind usage.	Aug 01 09:15
oiaohm	Its gnome sandboxed applications MinceR	Aug 01 09:15
MinceR	lol	Aug 01 09:15
oiaohm	My point is you are getting the faults wrong.	Aug 01 09:15
MinceR	i expect the gnome "sandbox" will make the chromium sandbox look good	Aug 01 09:15
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MinceR	s/m sandbox/m "sandbox"/	Aug 01 09:16
oiaohm	https://wiki.gnome.org/Projects/SandboxedApps	Aug 01 09:16
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oiaohm	MinceR: yes gnome sandbox design demards kdbus	Aug 01 09:16
MinceR	no surprise there	Aug 01 09:17
MinceR	the gnome project aspires to be the pinnacle of idiocy	Aug 01 09:17
oiaohm	MinceR: basically logind is not a problem.	Aug 01 09:17
MinceR	systemd, kdbus, CSD, crApple HIG	Aug 01 09:17
oiaohm	logind solves a lot of DM design nightmares.	Aug 01 09:17
MinceR	by replacing them with new ones	Aug 01 09:18
MinceR	btw, when is kmutter coming?	Aug 01 09:18
oiaohm	kdm has 8 backends to attempt to log into a system.	Aug 01 09:18
oiaohm	Hopefully attempting all them will not cause a kernel painic	Aug 01 09:18
oiaohm	logind provides a single location for the 1 to use to register.	Aug 01 09:18
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cubexyz	ok, custom is using $HOME/.xsession	Aug 01 09:45
cubexyz	which runs tinywm	Aug 01 09:45
cubexyz	and interestingly enough I can get my motif programs to work with tinywm	Aug 01 09:45
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cubexyz	oiaohm, do you have any idea what chooser does?	Aug 01 09:51
cubexyz	as in /etc/X11/xdm/chooser	Aug 01 09:51
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oiaohm	cubexyz: I don't have xdm installed.	Aug 01 09:58
oiaohm	cubexyz: http://www.me.umn.edu/~kaszeta/unix/xterminal/config.html	Aug 01 10:00
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cubexyz	oh it displays a menu of names and lets the user select one	Aug 01 10:05
oiaohm	Its what server to log into.	Aug 01 10:06
oiaohm	Hmm KDE 5 icon only task bar is nice.	Aug 01 10:06
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cubexyz	it would be nice if I could do a graphical login from any machine to any machine	Aug 01 10:15
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msb__	O Crap - Canada -- www.activistpost.com/2015/07/canada-is-tinpot-dictatorship.html	Aug 01 12:07
msb__	http://www.activistpost.com/2015/07/caada-is-tinpot-dictatorship.html	Aug 01 12:08
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schestowitz	> Old history:	Aug 01 12:12
schestowitz	>	Aug 01 12:12
schestowitz	>> > ... I asked principal about this and he said that the city of	Aug 01 12:12
schestowitz	>> > [redacted] has a deal with Microsoft and they're not allowing this	Aug 01 12:12
schestowitz	>> > migration to happen or it would be a breach of contract...	Aug 01 12:13
schestowitz	https://twitter.com/whvholst/status/627512704991907840	Aug 01 12:16
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@whvholst: @schestowitz @glynmoody Fuzzing the Peeping Toms may cause you to stray into gray areas of (criminal) law.		Aug 01 12:16
schestowitz	Which law would that be?	Aug 01 12:16
cubexyz	hmmm?	Aug 01 12:35
cubexyz	I thought the Munich thing was a done deal	Aug 01 12:35
schestowitz	https://twitter.com/whvholst/status/627516279491035137	Aug 01 12:36
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@whvholst: @schestowitz @glynmoody The various implementations of artt. 4-5 of the Cybercrime Convention.		Aug 01 12:36
schestowitz	https://twitter.com/sheilabenson/status/627518111122620416	Aug 01 12:37
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@sheilabenson: .@schestowitz Surely people just open new sites. How do these mechanisms keep up ?		Aug 01 12:37
schestowitz	They probably don't, i.e. false marketing, wishful thinking	Aug 01 12:37
schestowitz	https://twitter.com/whvholst/status/627518605266165760	Aug 01 12:38
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@whvholst: @schestowitz @glynmoody In your case that would be art. 3 of the Computer Misuse Act 1990. http://t.co/SHoCpRVOnQ		Aug 01 12:38
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights--> www.legislation.gov.uk \| Computer Misuse Act 1990		Aug 01 12:38
cubexyz	MinceR, do you know of a mixer program for mwm?	Aug 01 12:53
cubexyz	there's xmmix but it's just too old	Aug 01 12:53
MinceR	i don't	Aug 01 12:53
cubexyz	like 1996 old	Aug 01 12:53
MinceR	but you could run alsamixer in a terminal	Aug 01 12:53
cubexyz	what do you know... it's in openbsd	Aug 01 13:05
MinceR	:)	Aug 01 13:11
MinceR	should have specified what audio interface the mixer is for	Aug 01 13:11
cubexyz	alsa for linux	Aug 01 13:13
cubexyz	I guess xmmix just opens /dev/mixer	Aug 01 13:16
cubexyz	ok, it works on openbsd	Aug 01 13:27
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cubexyz	the speakers in this monitor kind of suck	Aug 01 13:28
schestowitz	https://twitter.com/SleepyPenguin1/status/627522477527318528	Aug 01 13:58
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@SleepyPenguin1: @schestowitz In the 15 years that I've used #GNU /Linux on my desktop I've hardly ever had any problems with it @ruskin147		Aug 01 13:58
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Arch Linux 2015.08.01 Is Now Available for	Aug 01 14:11
TweetTuxMachines	Download, Powered by Linux Kernel 4.1	Aug 01 14:11
TweetTuxMachines	http://t.co/yCWeTaxnlx (linux.softpedia.com)	Aug 01 14:11
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Middle-earth: Shadow of Mordor GOTY Launches on	Aug 01 14:11
TweetTuxMachines	Linux with 50% Price Cut http://t.co/cURugUy4Rk	Aug 01 14:11
TweetTuxMachines	(news.softpedia.com)	Aug 01 14:11
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Steam for Linux Beta Client Updated with New	Aug 01 14:11
TweetTuxMachines	Features for Big Picture	Aug 01 14:11
TweetTuxMachines	http://t.co/aEBMrRIZlT (linux.softpedia.com)	Aug 01 14:11
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Fedora 23 in Alpha Freeze, Due August 11	Aug 01 14:20
TweetTuxMachines	http://t.co/zrABglv8VU (ostatic.com)	Aug 01 14:20
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines LEGO Smart Home http://t.co/XOHBFgGQNC	Aug 01 14:29
TweetTuxMachines	(www.linuxuser.co.uk)	Aug 01 14:29
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.linuxuser.co.uk \| LEGO Smart Home \| Linux User & Developer - the Linux and FOSS mag for a GNU generation		Aug 01 14:29
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Android for Work Gets Support from Major U.S.	Aug 01 14:40
TweetTuxMachines	Carriers http://t.co/Q7WpHzCgPY (ostatic.com)	Aug 01 14:41
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-ostatic.com \| Android for Work Gets Support from Major U.S. Carriers		Aug 01 14:41
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Valve Launches Big SteamOS Sale over the	Aug 01 14:41
TweetTuxMachines	Weekend http://t.co/h5KTrEX72y	Aug 01 14:41
TweetTuxMachines	(news.softpedia.com) that's now	Aug 01 14:41
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines ET: Legacy Is Preparing A New Wolfenstein Enemy	Aug 01 14:41
TweetTuxMachines	Territory Update http://t.co/ImD6XKujMJ	Aug 01 14:41
TweetTuxMachines	(www.phoronix.com)	Aug 01 14:41
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.phoronix.com \| ET: Legacy Is Preparing A New Wolfenstein Enemy Territory Update - Phoronix		Aug 01 14:41
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MinceR	http://i.imgur.com/0m234lL.png	Aug 01 14:42
cubexyz	lol	Aug 01 14:42
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__martin__	"The start menu doesn't open and the shell command and adding the registry dword didn't work. I really don't know what to do..." :_D	Aug 01 14:50
__martin__	frustration staging	Aug 01 14:51
MinceR	i know what to do in that case	Aug 01 14:51
schestowitz	https://twitter.com/muzzarca/status/627551947617341440	Aug 01 14:51
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@muzzarca: @schestowitz let's get them. pls help my offer for a reward get across. https://t.co/WFCTsV8lbR		Aug 01 14:51
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@muzzarca: I offer €10k ten thousand for the names of the people who killed #Jericho with evidence. http://t.co/JJspbdjYJW #CecilTheLion Please RT.		Aug 01 14:51
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__martin__	"Every couple of minutes, I will experience 4-5 'bursts' of lag. This manifests as rubberbanding in games, and not being able to find the page while browsing. This only started happening after I upgraded to Windows 10. I've updated my wifi card adapter, uninstalled/reinstalled it, reset router/modem, nothing helps. Anyone had a similar issue? My ping stays down where it usually is during the whole t	Aug 01 14:54
__martin__	hing. " aka phone @ home	Aug 01 14:54
MinceR	:)	Aug 01 14:54
__martin__	mince, you should not have linked that reddit pic	Aug 01 14:54
MinceR	why?	Aug 01 14:55
__martin__	it's even better than /r/latvianjokes :_DD	Aug 01 14:55
MinceR	also, it's not from reddit	Aug 01 14:55
MinceR	oh, a screenshot of reddit	Aug 01 14:55
cubexyz	I wonder how the windows 10 users are doing	Aug 01 14:55
MinceR	probably the usual way	Aug 01 14:55
MinceR	suffering, and treating their suffering with cognitive dissonance	Aug 01 14:56
__martin__	also, on the other hand, this nsa-os finally doing something useful.. will redirect more pissed of wives/girlfriends towards nofap.org/yourbrainonporn.com ;)	Aug 01 14:56
MinceR	or simply being unaware that an OS doesn't have to suck that much	Aug 01 14:56
__martin__	father stuck at pirated vi$ta7 / we don't talk technical matters since he is vendor-locked for quite a few years and stubborn /	Aug 01 14:57
MinceR	i don't think it will redirect anyone there	Aug 01 14:57
cubexyz	nsa-os :)	Aug 01 14:57
cubexyz	finally an OS I will not try	Aug 01 14:57
__martin__	cubexyz: please man, if it was you who linked in here that healthy-mind manifesto sort of like a week ago, could you point me there again?	Aug 01 14:58
cubexyz	eh?	Aug 01 14:58
__martin__	or was it msb___ / perhaps even oiaohm	Aug 01 14:58
cubexyz	healthy mind manifesto I never heard of that	Aug 01 14:58
__martin__	ik	Aug 01 14:59
__martin__	it was inserted within a debate of how general public is overly tapped into commodity logic	Aug 01 14:59
__martin__	nevermind	Aug 01 14:59
cubexyz	sounds like something msb would write :)	Aug 01 15:00
cubexyz	my grep-fu comes up with this:	Aug 01 15:01
cubexyz	http://cosmicpenguin.com/CauseAndCure.html	Aug 01 15:01
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cubexyz	my manifesto would be like... I'm sick of everyone complaining about windows 10	Aug 01 15:02
cubexyz	the end	Aug 01 15:02
MinceR	i'm sick of everyone trying to force me to use shitty OS-es	Aug 01 15:03
MinceR	like vista10 and lendows	Aug 01 15:03
__martin__	yes	Aug 01 15:03
__martin__	that's it!	Aug 01 15:03
__martin__	thanks (=	Aug 01 15:03
__martin__	[me not backing up mozilla bookmark's while distro-hopping]	Aug 01 15:03
__martin__	s*	Aug 01 15:03
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__martin__	ahah	Aug 01 15:07
__martin__	"Laptop not powerful enough to open the start menu, cannot revert back to windows 8.1"	Aug 01 15:08
MinceR	lol	Aug 01 15:08
__martin__	okay, srsly, stopping this spam	Aug 01 15:08
__martin__	well have to conclude	Aug 01 15:08
XRevan86	__martin__: I had that thing on Insider Preview. I got my fun and then closed the VM.	Aug 01 15:08
__martin__	the brain standards lowered since the 2nd millenium crossing	Aug 01 15:09
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__martin__	nn*	Aug 01 15:11
__martin__	true botnet	Aug 01 15:11
__martin__	https://www.reddit.com/r/Windows10/comments/3ffmj2/laptop_wont_shut_down_anyone_else_have_this_and/	Aug 01 15:11
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights- ( status 503 @ https://www.reddit.com/r/Windows10/comments/3ffmj2/laptop_wont_shut_down_anyone_else_have_this_and/ )		Aug 01 15:12
__martin__	"It turns off the monitor, but the keyboard lights and fan stay on indefinitely. I let it sit for a hour last night then took the power cord out and went to bed. In the morning the battery was 100% dead."	Aug 01 15:12
MinceR	power management, micro$oft style!	Aug 01 15:13
__martin__	btw, a nice read http://citizen-ex.com/stories/io	Aug 01 15:14
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-citizen-ex.com \| The story of .io \| Citizen Ex		Aug 01 15:14
__martin__	okay three more "jokes" and then am off with that :_D	Aug 01 15:17
__martin__	"Reverted to 7 and now my mouse and keyboard won't work at the welcome screen."	Aug 01 15:18
cubexyz	didn't revert far back enough	Aug 01 15:18
MinceR	probably the usb stack decided they should be in different ports :>	Aug 01 15:19
MinceR	2015: not the day of windows on the desktop	Aug 01 15:19
MinceR	s/day/year/	Aug 01 15:19
__martin__	"Every time I start a game (any game), loud "spike sound" comes from the speakers."	Aug 01 15:19
__martin__	"RULES: No malware/spyware/rats etc. Nothing that would disrupt the freedom of the user" - https://windows10tweaksanddebloat.codeplex.com/	Aug 01 15:20
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__martin__	xDDD	Aug 01 15:20
msb__	cubexyz: Thanks! Your grep-fu is the best!	Aug 01 15:32
cubexyz	np	Aug 01 15:32
__martin__	msb__: thx to you as well	Aug 01 15:34
msb__	__martin__: Glad you like it! Check it again in a week or so, I am putting in links and maybe more stuff.	Aug 01 15:36
__martin__	i will	Aug 01 15:36
__martin__	MinceR: the best one so far.. an advice from the m$ staffer: "Spam the activation servers - You can do this using the slmgr /ato command" :_D	Aug 01 15:36
MinceR	:)	Aug 01 15:37
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Rackspace reaching out to women with ‘Linux for	Aug 01 15:38
TweetTuxMachines	Ladies’ http://t.co/O9bq8AXp8W	Aug 01 15:38
TweetTuxMachines	(www.expressnews.com)	Aug 01 15:38
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schestowitz	https://twitter.com/HenkPoley/status/627566742760505344	Aug 01 15:52
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@HenkPoley: @schestowitz @dabeaz there's something alike: http://t.co/jz1Cg8JIU0		Aug 01 15:52
schestowitz	That sort of feeds the "bad guys", too, might cause complication for user	Aug 01 15:53
schestowitz	https://twitter.com/HenkPoley/status/627568126432030720	Aug 01 15:54
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@HenkPoley: @schestowitz @dabeaz you could modify Privacy Badger to fill "filtered" cookies with fuzzed data.		Aug 01 15:54
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Installing Linux on a Mac, Why Bother?	Aug 01 16:44
TweetTuxMachines	http://t.co/ZVocIXjjiD (news.softpedia.com)	Aug 01 16:44
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/nbse9	Aug 01 16:44
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Find the Perfect Linux-Compatible PC with	Aug 01 16:44
TweetTuxMachines	Ubuntu's Hardware Database	Aug 01 16:44
TweetTuxMachines	http://t.co/9vyz3kPrZj (lifehacker.com)	Aug 01 16:44
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TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/nbsea	Aug 01 16:44
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines OnePlus 2 Review Roundup: Solid Android	Aug 01 16:44
TweetTuxMachines	Smartphone And Fantastic Tag Price	Aug 01 16:44
TweetTuxMachines	http://t.co/xMnPiEgMPF (www.techtimes.com)	Aug 01 16:44
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/nbseb	Aug 01 16:44
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Links 1/8/2015: Steam Sale, blackPanther OS	Aug 01 17:02
TweetTuxMachines	14.1 http://t.co/30W6mlcnI2 (techrights.org)	Aug 01 17:02
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines KDE and Akademy http://t.co/zUlSk3I8VQ	Aug 01 17:02
TweetTuxMachines	(www.tuxmachines.org)	Aug 01 17:02
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/nbsih	Aug 01 17:02
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org \| KDE and Akademy \| Tux Machines		Aug 01 17:02
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Leftovers: Gaming http://t.co/nmJXl3HAHo	Aug 01 17:02
TweetTuxMachines	(www.tuxmachines.org)	Aug 01 17:02
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/nbsim	Aug 01 17:02
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org \| Leftovers: Gaming \| Tux Machines		Aug 01 17:02
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DaemonFC	http://www.wired.co.uk/news/archive/2015-07/30/windows-10-paid-ad-removal-solitaire	Aug 01 19:01
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DaemonFC	$10, every year.	Aug 01 19:01
MinceR	what a deal!	Aug 01 19:02
DaemonFC	I wonder if you can fix it by adding an entry to your hosts file.	Aug 01 19:02
MinceR	i'm sure you can fix it by overwriting vista10 with a real OS and installing a free software solitaire	Aug 01 19:03
DaemonFC	I'm going to wait and see what happens with Windows Phone 10. I've got two years on this lease for my Galaxy S6.	Aug 01 19:20
DaemonFC	If it turns out to flop, let other people spend their money to end up with a dead end that's never going to be supported again.	Aug 01 19:20
DaemonFC	I don't think Microsoft has any strategy with Windows Phone so far. Why would they want to be on the low end of the market where there's no money to be made, where they lose money on every phone they sell?	Aug 01 19:21
MinceR	i don't think it will be called "windows phone 10"	Aug 01 19:24
MinceR	they seem to be pursuing a pretense of a scalable OS (lol)	Aug 01 19:24
MinceR	and according to Tomi Ahonen, as long as m$ holds on to skype, winblows is as good as dead on phones	Aug 01 19:25
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines today's howtos http://t.co/eNG2c6x3HS	Aug 01 19:37
TweetTuxMachines	(www.tuxmachines.org)	Aug 01 19:37
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/nbtkr	Aug 01 19:37
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org \| today's howtos \| Tux Machines		Aug 01 19:37
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Leftovers: Software http://t.co/xPjOG8Hiiu	Aug 01 19:37
TweetTuxMachines	(www.tuxmachines.org)	Aug 01 19:37
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org \| Leftovers: Software \| Tux Machines		Aug 01 19:37
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/nbtks	Aug 01 19:37
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines today's leftovers http://t.co/XdtuBTPAfa	Aug 01 19:37
TweetTuxMachines	(www.tuxmachines.org)	Aug 01 19:37
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org \| today's leftovers \| Tux Machines		Aug 01 19:37
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/nbtku	Aug 01 19:37
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DaemonFC	https://www.amazon.com/forum/politics/ref=cm_cd_et_md_pl?_encoding=UTF8&cdForum=Fx1S3QSZRUL93V8&cdMsgID=Mx3AZ5LIAT43TOY&cdMsgNo=250&cdPage=10&cdSort=oldest&cdThread=Tx3HCX9UNG6IF06#Mx3AZ5LIAT43TOY	Aug 01 20:05
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DaemonFC	Part of that, "	Aug 01 20:05
DaemonFC	Most app developers end up working just to break even, or end up losing money on their iPhone app. Apple promotes a few "rock stars" to make it look like gigantic profits await those who develop for iPhones, but more than one developer has done the math and determined that they would have made more money working a minimum wage job.".	Aug 01 20:05
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Zidoo's 'X1' is a $59 Android media box that	Aug 01 21:20
TweetTuxMachines	touts its 4K prowess http://t.co/F4n351e6T4	Aug 01 21:20
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Zorin OS 10 Core & Ultimate have arrived	Aug 01 21:20
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msb__	RT TV has done two shows today on Socialism. Max Keiser interviewed an economist Guy Standing, who advocates giving people a basic income because jobs are disappearing due to technology. And there was a 30minute report on Occupy Tower, an abandoned 25-storey building in Caracas that homeless people moved into and set up their own government and economic system.	Aug 01 21:20
msb__	Max Keiser interview is here, can be downloaded with youtube-dl -- http://www.rt.com/shows/keiser-report/311323-episode-max-keiser-791/	Aug 01 21:56
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.rt.com \| Episode 791 RT — Keiser Report [ http://ur1.ca/nbug6 ]		Aug 01 21:56
DaemonFC	Ryan Farmer	Aug 01 22:34
DaemonFC	Just now ·	Aug 01 22:34
DaemonFC	Microsoft bought themselves a show on PBS. This comes after Walmart and the oil companies did the same thing.	Aug 01 22:34
DaemonFC	Of course, with everyday people losing their personal wealth and being left unable to donate, while PBS had their public funding slashed by more than two-thirds under George W. Bush, this was probably inevitable.	Aug 01 22:34
DaemonFC	http://politics.slashdot.org/story/15/08/01/1639256/microsoft-taps-pbs-to-advance-its-national-talent-strategy-with-code-trip	Aug 01 22:34
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oiaohm	Just noticed cups has added 3d printing support	Aug 01 23:30
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines iPhone vs Android comparison: does Android have	Jul 26 11:49
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Rogue's Tale Dungeon Crawler Released For Linux	Jul 26 11:52
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oiaohm	http://developer.amd.com/community/blog/2015/07/15/collaboration-and-open-source-at-amd-libreoffice/ This is impressive speed boost	Jul 26 13:20
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Volo Airsport, An Air Gliding Game Released For	Jul 26 13:30
TweetTuxMachines	Linux, We Have Keys To Throw At You	Jul 26 13:30
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Akademy Talks Day 1 https://t.co/csKuMejSL9	Jul 26 13:30
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines iPhone vs Android comparison: does Android have	Jul 26 13:30
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cubexyz	ah	Jul 26 13:31
cubexyz	finally	Jul 26 13:31
cubexyz	oiaohm, managed to get the serial term working :)	Jul 26 13:32
cubexyz	I need something better than minicom though	Jul 26 13:34
cubexyz	now if X messes up, and the text console messes up, I should be able to still get in	Jul 26 13:37
oiaohm	I found out why kdm was not working too well. Turns out I was running way way too much testing.	Jul 26 13:38
oiaohm	cubexyz: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Simple_Desktop_Display_Manager past a particular point on KDE you are meant to swap to this.	Jul 26 13:39
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cubexyz	oiaohm, kdm keeps running	Jul 26 13:44
cubexyz	not sure what you mean	Jul 26 13:44
oiaohm	after reboot I was having 1 in 3 failures to start of KDM.	Jul 26 13:45
oiaohm	cubexyz: yes it was still running some of the time.	Jul 26 13:45
cubexyz	ah there we go	Jul 26 13:47
cubexyz	minicom -o	Jul 26 13:47
cubexyz	except xsetroot generates an error	Jul 26 13:48
cubexyz	this should also work even if the router fails	Jul 26 13:50
oiaohm	running from a serial you most likely did not have a X11 display value.	Jul 26 13:56
oiaohm	cubexyz: I would guess with xsetroot	Jul 26 13:56
cubexyz	I need to make a smarter script	Jul 26 13:57
oiaohm	I know that feeling.	Jul 26 13:57
oiaohm	The fun of making a script to do a conditional backup and complain only if only 1 of the backup drives was not installed was fun.	Jul 26 13:58
oiaohm	Opps	Jul 26 13:58
oiaohm	Only complain if more than 1 of the backup drivers was not installed.	Jul 26 13:59
cubexyz	same with running X11 programs on the serial port	Jul 26 13:59
cubexyz	but I guess an error is normal then	Jul 26 13:59
oiaohm	Display value with x11 can be fun to mess with the existing interface from the serial point.	Jul 26 14:00
cubexyz	a really smart program would just switch into text mode when necessary	Jul 26 14:00
oiaohm	Can be a great prank.	Jul 26 14:00
oiaohm	cubexyz: http://archive.oreilly.com/pub/h/4441 it is possible to render X11 output as ascii art.	Jul 26 14:02
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cubexyz	I can't even remember why xsetroot is in .profile	Jul 26 14:04
oiaohm	I would have to see the command line but it adjust X11 settings.	Jul 26 14:07
cubexyz	why did the kde people write kdm?	Jul 26 14:07
cubexyz	there was already xdm	Jul 26 14:08
oiaohm	To be trueful feature wise xdm is very lean on.	Jul 26 14:10
oiaohm	https://github.com/sddm/sddm	Jul 26 14:11
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oiaohm	kdm and sddm its replacement support way more complete theming cubexyz	Jul 26 14:11
cubexyz	is that a KDE 5 thing?	Jul 26 14:12
oiaohm	sddm becomes KDE5 preferd dm but sddm is also used by lxqt project	Jul 26 14:14
oiaohm	cubexyz: basically I had too much KDE5 installed for KDM to work correctly any more.	Jul 26 14:15
oiaohm	sddm is cleaner at being pure pure QT where KDM uses kde particular libraries.	Jul 26 14:16
schestowitz	https://twitter.com/mellenoweth/status/625294017580953600 https://twitter.com/matthewstinar/status/625294301593899008	Jul 26 14:20
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@mellenoweth: @schestowitz winning hearts and minds !		Jul 26 14:20
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@matthewstinar: @schestowitz Android is less closed & runs on more hardware. Google spends less resources attacking good things & supports open source.		Jul 26 14:20
oiaohm	cubexyz: KDE 5 does not have kdm any more either.	Jul 26 14:20
oiaohm	schestowitz: not exactly there is more to android being open source. Name the most dominate phone OS before Android.	Jul 26 14:21
oiaohm	schestowitz: the answer is Symbian and why it was so popular is it source code got stolen.	Jul 26 14:23
oiaohm	schestowitz: The issue here is USA trade restrictions.	Jul 26 14:23
cubexyz	now I'm wondering what they did before X11R3	Jul 26 14:24
cubexyz	since xdm started with X11R3	Jul 26 14:25
cubexyz	maybe you just logged in then started X	Jul 26 14:28
oiaohm	cubexyz: startx	Jul 26 14:29
oiaohm	Yes that is the horible reality of X11 is that core design does not have a clue about a display manager.	Jul 26 14:30
cubexyz	oiaohm, no need for startx	Jul 26 14:32
cubexyz	xinit /usr/bin/whatever-wm	Jul 26 14:32
oiaohm	cubexyz: go far enough back there is no xinit	Jul 26 14:33
schestowitz	https://twitter.com/mellenoweth/status/625296915664629760	Jul 26 14:33
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@mellenoweth: @schestowitz they came for the chronically sick and disabled...		Jul 26 14:33
cubexyz	startx is just a bourne shell script is it not?	Jul 26 14:34
cubexyz	xinit goes back pretty far	Jul 26 14:35
oiaohm	these days.	Jul 26 14:35
oiaohm	it a script.	Jul 26 14:35
oiaohm	cubexyz: its horible, At first startx then xinit then xinit and startx then dms.	Jul 26 14:36
cubexyz	what's dms?	Jul 26 14:38
oiaohm	cubexyz: dms I missed a mark dm's being display managers	Jul 26 14:40
cubexyz	oh :)	Jul 26 14:40
oiaohm	sddm in fact support wayland.	Jul 26 14:41
schestowitz	https://twitter.com/FrankViewZ/status/625300113712410629	Jul 26 14:44
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@FrankViewZ: @schestowitz Looks like the State is on verge of taking control of drones from ordinary people by this scaremongering !!		Jul 26 14:44
schestowitz	Monopolising them like radio frequencies	Jul 26 14:44
cubexyz	oiaohm, I've thought about porting the old xwm.c to modern X11	Jul 26 14:48
cubexyz	or xwm rather	Jul 26 14:48
cubexyz	there's no xwm.c I don't think	Jul 26 14:49
cubexyz	but tinywm is about 50 lines so it's the smallest by far	Jul 26 14:51
msb_	.	Jul 26 14:53
msb_	XRevan86: MinceR: New Eurasian+ alliance counters US fascist empire! http://www.commondreams.org/views/2015/07/23/eurasian-big-bang-how-china-and-russia-are-running-rings-around-washington	Jul 26 14:55
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.commondreams.org \| The Eurasian Big Bang: How China and Russia Are Running Rings Around Washington \| Common Dreams \| Breaking News & Views for the Progressive Community [ http://ur1.ca/n9oqm ]		Jul 26 14:55
msb_	http://www.tomdispatch.com/post/176026/tomgram%3A_pepe_escobar%2C_the_pivot_to_eurasia/	Jul 26 14:56
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tomdispatch.com \| Tomgram: Pepe Escobar, The Pivot to Eurasia \| TomDispatch [ http://ur1.ca/n9oqr ]		Jul 26 14:56
msb_	(same article)	Jul 26 14:56
schestowitz	my site is down	Jul 26 14:57
schestowitz	I think the server is kaput	Jul 26 14:57
schestowitz	blueberry has been down for nearly a third of a day now. Can't access mail to check response to ticket. ETA? No status updates. They're not indicating even it'll come back online :-/	Jul 26 14:57
schestowitz	Fuck, I know what happened now	Jul 26 15:17
schestowitz	> Hi Roy,	Jul 26 15:17
schestowitz	>	Jul 26 15:17
schestowitz	> There are unpaid invoices on the billing account for schestowitz.com so it is suspended.	Jul 26 15:17
schestowitz	>	Jul 26 15:17
schestowitz	> The billing login area is here billing.catalyst2.com/clientarea.php	Jul 26 15:17
schestowitz	>	Jul 26 15:17
schestowitz	> If you do not have login information for this area please can I have the full postal address that we have on the billing account so I am authorised to make account changes.	Jul 26 15:17
schestowitz	>	Jul 26 15:17
schestowitz	Hi,	Jul 26 15:17
schestowitz	I have just spoken to Tom, after my site and all my E-mail accounts (not just mine) had been suspended for 12 hours, meaning that I could not read your reply until now, either. It turns out there was a cockup as Catalyst2 did not configure the accounts correctly after a migration that we were not even told about, so we never got sent any bills and my main site, therefore, got suspended for 12 hours. My home hub's IP address also got banned	Jul 26 15:17
schestowitz	by the firewall for some reasons (maybe related to this suspension), leaving me baffled and unable to know what was happening until I phoned up.	Jul 26 15:17
schestowitz	This is the first such major cockup after 12 years with the company. I hope you can make up for that one way or another...	Jul 26 15:18
schestowitz	Regards,	Jul 26 15:18
schestowitz	Roy	Jul 26 15:18
schestowitz	> Hi Roy	Jul 26 15:26
schestowitz	>	Jul 26 15:26
schestowitz	> As I just confirmed on the phone now, I'm escalating the issue you had earlier today. This is the ticket for the problem.	Jul 26 15:26
schestowitz	>	Jul 26 15:26
schestowitz	> In the mean time, if you could login to the billing area and pay the outstanding invoice that would be appreciated.	Jul 26 15:26
schestowitz	> Hi Roy	Jul 26 15:26
schestowitz	>	Jul 26 15:26
schestowitz	> Furthering my previous email, once you've logged into the new billing area and paid any outstanding invoices, you can also save your credit card details for future transactions on this page: https://billing.catalyst2.com/clientarea.php?action=creditcard	Jul 26 15:26
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-billing.catalyst2.com \| Client Area - Catalyst2 Services Ltd [ http://ur1.ca/n9p05 ]		Jul 26 15:26
schestowitz	>	Jul 26 15:26
schestowitz	> As part of the transfer to the new system we were unable to transfer your card details across.	Jul 26 15:26
schestowitz	>	Jul 26 15:26
schestowitz	> As compensation for the issue you had with the billing transfer, we've credited your account with one month's hosting.	Jul 26 15:26
schestowitz	In my billing there's one bill for "Late Fee (Added 26/06/2015)" - for bills that I never received... nor had any access to. Can that Late Fee (penalty I assume) please be removed and some form of compensation added to the account? Like I said, there's nothing that we did wrong in this case. We didn't even get contacted before the suspension. It was only us contacting the company after 12 hours of downtime (mail and site).	Jul 26 15:26
schestowitz	Wow..	Jul 26 15:26
schestowitz	total fuckup	Jul 26 15:26
schestowitz	> Hi Roy	Jul 26 15:38
schestowitz	>	Jul 26 15:38
schestowitz	> Once again, please accept our apologies for this. I've removed the late fee for you now and the compensation mentioned in the previous email has been credited to your account already.	Jul 26 15:38
schestowitz	>	Jul 26 15:38
schestowitz	> Any issues, let us know.	Jul 26 15:38
schestowitz	>	Jul 26 15:38
schestowitz	> Kind regards	Jul 26 15:38
schestowitz	Hi,	Jul 26 15:38
schestowitz	I refreshed, but the late fee was still there. I also logged out and back in again and it's still there. This is proving to be time-consuming (the whole thing), set aside downtime and problems due to no access to essential E-mails (my wife's also).	Jul 26 15:38
schestowitz	> Hi Roy	Jul 26 15:48
schestowitz	>	Jul 26 15:48
schestowitz	> I can't see that the late fee is still there for any of your invoices. The total balance due should be £310.79 - that's with the late fees removed.	Jul 26 15:48
schestowitz	>	Jul 26 15:48
schestowitz	> I appreciate that this hasn't been an ideal transfer for yourself, however this is just a one-off event as we transfer you. Once you're setup with the new billing area, you should not have any future issues.	Jul 26 15:48
schestowitz	>	Jul 26 15:48
schestowitz	> Kind regards	Jul 26 15:48
schestowitz	The late fee is still definitely there, both in the panel and when I click pay all. Invoice # 133378. It just lost its Description and now it says "INV021539" instead of late fee. Also, when attempting to pay, I no longer see the credit paying accounted for, so basically there is no compensation for all the trouble and I still need to pay a late fee on bills that I never received or had access to. Please can you rectify so that I can pay? I'	Jul 26 15:48
schestowitz	ve already lost many hours today (not just site visitors, who thought I got "suspended", which is embarrassing) due to all these issues.	Jul 26 15:48
schestowitz	https://twitter.com/catalyst2/status/625306791472164865	Jul 26 15:49
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@catalyst2: @schestowitz it appears to be as you have invoices overdue on your account. Do you have the details to login?		Jul 26 15:49
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schestowitz	so they just gave compensation:	Jul 26 16:12
schestowitz	> Hi Roy	Jul 26 16:12
schestowitz	>	Jul 26 16:12
schestowitz	> Let me clarify this.	Jul 26 16:12
schestowitz	>	Jul 26 16:12
schestowitz	> You have an invoice (number 133378) which was made up of two things:	Jul 26 16:12
schestowitz	> - £12.00 (for INV021539 - a reference from our OLD billing system)	Jul 26 16:12
schestowitz	> - £1.20 (a 10% late payment fee. I have removed this)	Jul 26 16:12
schestowitz	>	Jul 26 16:12
schestowitz	> The previous total was £13.20. It's now just £12.00 as I have removed the late payment fee.	Jul 26 16:12
schestowitz	>	Jul 26 16:12
schestowitz	> The reason there isn't a full description is because it's an invoice from our old billing system. In future, you'll see the full description of what is being invoiced - as you do for the other invoices. I have removed this invoice altogether for you, so there are just the two to pay.	Jul 26 16:12
schestowitz	>	Jul 26 16:13
schestowitz	> My apologies for the inconvenience caused.	Jul 26 16:13
schestowitz	>	Jul 26 16:13
schestowitz	> Kind regards	Jul 26 16:13
schestowitz	Thank you, I have just made the payment.	Jul 26 16:13
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schestowitz	Hi Roy	Jul 26 16:21
schestowitz	Many thanks for making payment. I've just taken a look at the account and your credit card details have been successfully saved and so future invoices will be paid automatically, preventing this from happening again. Your email on the account is also now roy@schestowitz.com. If you wish to change this, you can do so from the new billing area.	Jul 26 16:21
schestowitz	Once again, apologies for any inconvenience caused. Any issues, let us know.	Jul 26 16:22
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines The 10 best Android features you can’t live	Jul 26 16:29
TweetTuxMachines	without http://t.co/nR1x4hv2wY	Jul 26 16:29
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines NetBSD Ported To Run On NVIDIA's Jetson TK1	Jul 26 16:29
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines What will the next Android version be called?	Jul 26 16:36
TweetTuxMachines	Vote for your favorite Android M name now	Jul 26 16:36
TweetTuxMachines	https://t.co/eOb8L0MLhB (www.androidpit.com)	Jul 26 16:36
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.androidpit.com \| What will the next Android version be called? Vote for your favorite Android M name now - AndroidPIT		Jul 26 16:36
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Emmy votes for Chromecast, DVDs out of race	Jul 26 16:36
TweetTuxMachines	http://t.co/C0rNZOGz9o (www.linuxveda.com)	Jul 26 16:36
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines The 10 best Android features you can’t live	Jul 26 17:09
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schestowitz	https://www.joindiaspora.com/posts/6389608	Jul 26 18:46
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@harryhaller@nerdpol.ch: > ---- <strong> ![Avatar](https://nerdpol.ch/camo/8302cd6c55822406ab22d7a39b9ead65c5c880ae/68747470733a2f2f706f642e6f726b7a2e6e65742f75706c6f6164732f696d616765732f7468756d625f736d616c6c5f65663033336261626637363564396562633362302e6a7067) @{ maestro davincius ; maestro@pod.orkz.net} </strong><sup> [26/07/2015 18:30:20](/posts/8808ed3015e101332b4700163e5dbca2)</sup> > #fsf #openhardware #free-software #GNU #linux >		Jul 26 18:46
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights--> www.phoronix.com \| Purism Librem Laptops Remain Blobbed Up, Less Than Interesting - Phoronix [ http://ur1.ca/n9qr3 ]		Jul 26 18:46
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schestowitz	Tony has emailed me several times. I think they will try to tackle these issues in the near future.	Jul 26 18:46
schestowitz	"	Jul 26 18:47
schestowitz	The sad conclusion:	Jul 26 18:47
schestowitz	But Todd swoops in, raises at least half a million dollars, and convinces lots of people that free systems with modern Intel hardware are not only possible but forthcoming. I imagine real efforts to make free systems will be met with more criticism than ever (or skepticism among anyone who realizes that Purism can’t fulfill their promises).	Jul 26 18:47
schestowitz	"	Jul 26 18:47
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schestowitz	https://joindiaspora.com/posts/6388740	Jul 26 19:12
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: #investorplace helps people make money from #war http://investorplace.com/2015/07/war-stocks-to-buy-ktos-cvu/ "Stocks to Buy for the Future of Warfare. War isn't going anywhere"		Jul 26 19:12
schestowitz	"War is unfortunate but would be even unfortunate being the only ones not profiting of it, wouldn’t be?"	Jul 26 19:12
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schestowitz	That's a psychopath's way of looking at it	Jul 26 19:13
schestowitz	https://joindiaspora.com/posts/6388756	Jul 26 19:13
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: "ISIS youth" https://www.foreignaffairs.com/articles/2015-07-21/cubs-caliphate like the West doesn't do military-like activities for children... #propaganda starts early.		Jul 26 19:13
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schestowitz	"	Jul 26 19:13
schestowitz	You can tell a totalitarian and brutal state when it targets kids for political or military purposes. Like this:	Jul 26 19:13
schestowitz	https://www.nsa.gov/kids/	Jul 26 19:13
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schestowitz	"	Jul 26 19:13
schestowitz	https://joindiaspora.com/posts/6387805	Jul 26 19:14
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: Libyan war planes attack and sink a ship near BenghaziOp-Ed: Libyan war planes attack and sink a ship near #Benghazi http://www.digitaljournal.com/news/world/op-ed-libyan-war-planes-attack-and-sink-a-ship-near-benghazi/article/438881		Jul 26 19:14
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schestowitz	"	Jul 26 19:14
schestowitz	CIA-linked General Khalifa Haftar	Jul 26 19:15
schestowitz	He’s a U.S. citizen.	Jul 26 19:15
schestowitz	"	Jul 26 19:15
schestowitz	https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Khalifa_Haftar	Jul 26 19:15
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Links 26/7/2015: Purism Librem and Freedom,	Jul 26 19:33
TweetTuxMachines	Akademy Updates http://t.co/B0LrKrbz1j	Jul 26 19:33
TweetTuxMachines	(techrights.org)	Jul 26 19:33
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines IRC Proceedings: July 12th, 2015 – July 25th,	Jul 26 19:33
TweetTuxMachines	2015	Jul 26 19:33
TweetTuxMachines	http://t.co/OIaNqsCQin (techrights.org)	Jul 26 19:33
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Plasma Mobile Media and Blog Coverage	Jul 26 19:38
TweetTuxMachines	http://t.co/QCJryeaBu3 (www.tuxmachines.org)	Jul 26 19:38
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Leftovers: Gaming http://t.co/ll49w5hU3P	Jul 26 19:38
TweetTuxMachines	(www.tuxmachines.org)	Jul 26 19:38
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org \| Leftovers: Gaming \| Tux Machines		Jul 26 19:38
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Leftovers: Software http://t.co/5FtWdfN4DQ	Jul 26 19:38
TweetTuxMachines	(www.tuxmachines.org)	Jul 26 19:38
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines today's howtos http://t.co/TAAZFp0KJA	Jul 26 19:39
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TweetTuxMachines	(www.tuxmachines.org)	Jul 26 19:39
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msb_	http://www.digitaljournal.com/news/world/op-ed-libyan-war-planes-attack-and-sink-a-ship-near-benghazi/article/438881	Jul 26 20:07
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msb_	This is the govt that the US installed in Libya after it murdered socialist Gaddafi who had given the people the highest standard of living in Africa. Now the nation is destroyed and the people are living in poverty. Thanks to Barack Obama.	Jul 26 20:09
msb_	The Western press never mentions that event.	Jul 26 20:10
msb_	This was Libya: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aJURNC0e6Ek	Jul 26 20:12
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msb_	Gaddafi proposed selling oil for other currencies than US dollars. That would have messed up the US economy, which by now is based on nothing but debt and fear of its military. So the US had him murdered, and his nation destroyed.	Jul 26 20:28
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Today in Techrights http://t.co/iStK5yrwEc	Jul 26 22:44
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Today in Techrights http://t.co/pHOVgMpNHo	Jul 26 22:44
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines The Penguin or the Egg: How To Increase	Jul 26 23:42
TweetTuxMachines	Adoption Of Desktop Linux	Jul 26 23:42
TweetTuxMachines	http://t.co/IuRy8QTBi6 (www.tuxmachines.org)	Jul 26 23:42
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Ubuntu MATE Is Dropping Ubuntu Software Center	Jul 26 23:42
TweetTuxMachines	http://t.co/lwz5QkCIQH (www.tuxmachines.org)	Jul 26 23:42
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Linux 4.2-rc4 http://t.co/0KLlfttGsY	Jul 26 23:43
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schestowitz	https://twitter.com/petrock/status/625439812615442432	Jul 26 23:58
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@petrock: @schestowitz The author says Skype is still the best option for video chat on GNU/Linux. I wonder if he has tried Firefox Hello.		Jul 26 23:58
schestowitz	I guess the author does not care about freedom or privacy, that's why we need to call it GNU	Jul 26 23:59
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines The Penguin or the Egg: How To Increase	Jul 27 00:12
TweetTuxMachines	Adoption Of Desktop Linux	Jul 27 00:12
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Ubuntu MATE Is Dropping Ubuntu Software Center	Jul 27 00:12
TweetTuxMachines	http://t.co/UjrrhaykhT (news.softpedia.com)	Jul 27 00:12
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines See How Your Linux System Stacks Up To 15 GPUs	Jul 27 00:26
TweetTuxMachines	For 1080p Gaming http://t.co/ySbK9w22oQ	Jul 27 00:26
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Victor Vran Action RPG Is Now Available on	Jul 27 00:26
TweetTuxMachines	Steam for Linux	Jul 27 00:26
TweetTuxMachines	http://t.co/Gdhw470s1d (linux.softpedia.com)	Jul 27 00:26
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines GNOME Initial Setup Gets a Revamp with New	Jul 27 00:27
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msb_	.	Jul 27 00:28
msb_	https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zXkVGxLmlAA	Jul 27 00:28
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schestowitz	https://twitter.com/FrancisJeffrey7/status/625448627633303553	Jul 27 00:34
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schestowitz	I used t use RSSOwl for a few years....	Jul 27 00:34
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines How to Update Linux Kernel for Improved System	Jul 27 00:42
TweetTuxMachines	Performance http://t.co/YdpyrGnwiT	Jul 27 00:42
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines "The developers of the lightweight and	Jul 27 00:42
TweetTuxMachines	user-friendly #Claws Mail... release of the	Jul 27 00:42
TweetTuxMachines	major 3.12.0 version." http://t.co/0M1fYghz36	Jul 27 00:42
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Audio Programming with Open Source Languages	Jul 27 00:42
TweetTuxMachines	http://t.co/rQrSAMKtpw (www.linuxlinks.com)	Jul 27 00:42
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*TweetTuxMachines @DataVizAI favourited '"The developers of the lightweight and user-friendly #Claws...'		Jul 27 01:27
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines GNOME Initial Setup Gets a Revamp with New	Jul 27 01:27
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cubexyz	right, Purism Librem Laptop is a bit of a bust	Jul 27 02:03
cubexyz	that's why I suggested getting a chromebox or chromebook	Jul 27 02:06
cubexyz	it comes with coreboot installed	Jul 27 02:06
cubexyz	you could spent 20 years or more learning all the ins and outs of a given laptop	Jul 27 02:08
cubexyz	plus the price of the Purism laptop was ridiculous	Jul 27 02:12
cubexyz	then you have the people at how-to geek telling people not to buy ARM based chromebooks!	Jul 27 02:15
cubexyz	actually I'm not at all sure about the status of coreboot on chromebooks with ARM cpu	Jul 27 02:20
cubexyz	early chromebooks a BIOS that was a reworked UEFI-based BIOS	Jul 27 02:26
cubexyz	2nd gen was x86 used a combination of coreboot and u-boot	Jul 27 02:27
cubexyz	so ARM-based samsung chromebooks use only U-boot, not coreboot	Jul 27 02:28
cubexyz	but u-boot is FOSS	Jul 27 02:29
cubexyz	my advice is don't be scared to buy a ARM chromebook	Jul 27 02:29
cubexyz	yes, it is true that flash plugin for firefox only works on x86	Jul 27 02:30
cubexyz	but so what	Jul 27 02:30
cubexyz	I am always KOing libflashplayer.so anyways	Jul 27 02:31
cubexyz	http://www.denx.de/wiki/U-Boot/SourceCode	Jul 27 02:32
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cubexyz	do we have source code for libflashplayer.so? Of course not	Jul 27 02:33
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines How to Update Linux Kernel for Improved System	Jul 27 07:38
TweetTuxMachines	Performance http://t.co/NwQ9s2SiDq	Jul 27 07:38
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Duraivk	Hi Room	Jul 27 07:39
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schestowitz	> Roy,	Jul 27 08:23
schestowitz	>	Jul 27 08:23
schestowitz	> We've also posted this page:	Jul 27 08:23
schestowitz	> https://puri.sm/road-to-fsf-ryf-endorsement-and-beyond/	Jul 27 08:23
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-SSL connect error ( status 0 @ https://puri.sm/road-to-fsf-ryf-endorsement-and-beyond/ )		Jul 27 08:23
schestowitz	>	Jul 27 08:23
schestowitz	> Which gives a graphical representation of our road to FSF RYF	Jul 27 08:23
schestowitz	> endorsement. Which before was so strewn about it took some digging to	Jul 27 08:23
schestowitz	> get to it all.	Jul 27 08:23
schestowitz	>	Jul 27 08:23
schestowitz	> Let me know if that is clear to you, and if so, it should suffice.	Jul 27 08:23
schestowitz	>	Jul 27 08:23
schestowitz	> Thanks so much Roy!	Jul 27 08:23
schestowitz	As I predicated, and that's why I forewarned, Phoronix did some negative coverage. There might be more coming (don't know where from), but I think Phoronix based it on libreboot folks.	Jul 27 08:23
schestowitz	https://twitter.com/VisibilityShift/status/625527344841621504	Jul 27 08:25
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@VisibilityShift: @schestowitz #Puri_sm is not just working on it -- we are fully committed to liberating the BIOS. https://t.co/HVmmpCPPdw		Jul 27 08:25
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schestowitz	https://twitter.com/andygmz2000/status/625569194298490881	Jul 27 08:35
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-No status found with that ID.		Jul 27 08:35
schestowitz	https://twitter.com/andygmz2000/status/625569194298490881	Jul 27 08:35
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Samsung And Red Hat Team Up To Provide	Jul 27 09:28
TweetTuxMachines	Enterprise Software Solutions	Jul 27 09:28
TweetTuxMachines	http://t.co/HWhqHC33u3 (www.tuxmachines.org)	Jul 27 09:28
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org \| Samsung And Red Hat Team Up To Provide Enterprise Software Solutions \| Tux Machines		Jul 27 09:28
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Claws Mail 3.12 Open-Source Email Client Adds	Jul 27 09:28
TweetTuxMachines	Dozens of New Features, Fixes 35 Bugs	Jul 27 09:28
TweetTuxMachines	http://t.co/t3q03y7Fld (www.tuxmachines.org)	Jul 27 09:28
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Ubuntu defibrillates 14.10 for one LAST patch	Jul 27 10:56
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Android Maintains Grip on France's Smartphone	Jul 27 10:56
TweetTuxMachines	Market http://t.co/mlYn20GFTt	Jul 27 10:56
TweetTuxMachines	(www.tuxmachines.org)	Jul 27 10:56
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/n9yij	Jul 27 10:56
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org \| Android Maintains Grip on France's Smartphone Market \| Tux Machines		Jul 27 10:56
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Should You Be Buying an Ubuntu Phone Right Now?	Jul 27 10:56
TweetTuxMachines	http://t.co/a9MEUzqQUz (www.tuxmachines.org)	Jul 27 10:56
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/n9yil	Jul 27 10:56
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Today in Techrights http://t.co/nrqb1UNurP	Jul 27 11:29
TweetTuxMachines	(www.tuxmachines.org)	Jul 27 11:29
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/n9yrq	Jul 27 11:29
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Ubuntu defibrillates 14.10 for one LAST patch	Jul 27 11:29
TweetTuxMachines	http://t.co/94uunxswkY (www.theregister.co.uk)	Jul 27 11:29
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.theregister.co.uk \| Ubuntu defibrillates 14.10 for one LAST patch • The Register		Jul 27 11:29
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/n9yrr	Jul 27 11:29
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines NVIDIA shows some Tegra Note 7 love with	Jul 27 11:29
TweetTuxMachines	Android 5.1 http://t.co/8t0S6TkX36	Jul 27 11:29
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TweetTuxMachines	(www.slashgear.com)	Jul 27 11:29
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/n9yrs	Jul 27 11:29
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Should You Be Buying an Ubuntu Phone Right Now?	Jul 27 11:33
TweetTuxMachines	http://t.co/MxTQ32qRya (news.softpedia.com)	Jul 27 11:33
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-news.softpedia.com \| Should You Be Buying an Ubuntu Phone Right Now? - Softpedia		Jul 27 11:33
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/n9ysp	Jul 27 11:33
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Android Maintains Grip on France's Smartphone	Jul 27 11:33
TweetTuxMachines	Market http://t.co/MxTQ32qRya	Jul 27 11:33
TweetTuxMachines	(news.softpedia.com)	Jul 27 11:33
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Samsung And Red Hat Team Up To Provide	Jul 27 11:33
TweetTuxMachines	Enterprise Software Solutions	Jul 27 11:33
TweetTuxMachines	http://t.co/E9i7FzGojR (www.droidreport.com)	Jul 27 11:33
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/n9ysr	Jul 27 11:33
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.droidreport.com \| Samsung And Red Hat Team Up To Provide Enterprise Software Solutions		Jul 27 11:33
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Mesa 3D Graphics Library 10.6.3 Fixes Many	Jul 27 11:35
TweetTuxMachines	Issues in the Nouveau Video Driver	Jul 27 11:35
TweetTuxMachines	http://t.co/OrE9JZG2Gp (news.softpedia.com)	Jul 27 11:35
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-news.softpedia.com \| Mesa 3D Graphics Library 10.6.3 Fixes Many Issues in the Nouveau Video Driver - Softpedia		Jul 27 11:35
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/n9ytf	Jul 27 11:35
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Debian GNU/Linux No Longer Supports the SPARC	Jul 27 11:35
TweetTuxMachines	Hardware Architecture http://t.co/rbtG4AWAAv	Jul 27 11:35
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-linux.softpedia.com \| Debian GNU/Linux No Longer Supports the SPARC Hardware Architecture - Softpedia		Jul 27 11:35
TweetTuxMachines	(linux.softpedia.com)	Jul 27 11:35
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/n9ytg	Jul 27 11:35
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines ExLight Linux Live DVD 64 bit with	Jul 27 11:35
TweetTuxMachines	Enlightenment 0.19.7 and kernel 4.0.0-4-exton	Jul 27 11:35
TweetTuxMachines	https://t.co/wUh69agtRl	Jul 27 11:35
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-extonlinux.wordpress.com \| ExLight Linux Live DVD 64 bit with Enlightenment 0.19.7 and kernel 4.0.0-4-exton \| Exton's International Blog		Jul 27 11:35
TweetTuxMachines	(extonlinux.wordpress.com)	Jul 27 11:35
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/n9yth	Jul 27 11:35
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Manjaro Linux Needs Your Help, Here's How You	Jul 27 11:36
TweetTuxMachines	Can Contribute http://t.co/SXRQa8AkSv	Jul 27 11:36
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-news.softpedia.com \| Manjaro Linux Needs Your Help, Here's How You Can Contribute - Updated - Softpedia		Jul 27 11:36
TweetTuxMachines	(news.softpedia.com)	Jul 27 11:36
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/n9ytq	Jul 27 11:36
*TweetTuxMachines @LukeVizzicks retweeted @tuxmachines: 'Mesa 3D Graphics Library 10.6.3 Fixes Many Issues...'		Jul 27 11:36
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Enlightenment 0.19.7 Desktop Environment	Jul 27 11:45
TweetTuxMachines	Improves X11 Compatibility with Older EFLs	Jul 27 11:45
TweetTuxMachines	http://t.co/NeyQOxophd (linux.softpedia.com)	Jul 27 11:45
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-linux.softpedia.com \| Enlightenment 0.19.7 Desktop Environment Improves X11 Compatibility with Older EFLs - Softpedia		Jul 27 11:45
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/n9ywf	Jul 27 11:45
*TweetTuxMachines @schestowitz retweeted @tuxmachines: 'Today in Techrights http://t.co/nrqb1UNurP'		Jul 27 11:45
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org \| Today in Techrights \| Tux Machines		Jul 27 11:45
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines How is Firefox OS Different from Android, iOS,	Jul 27 11:45
TweetTuxMachines	Windows Phone and Ubuntu Touch	Jul 27 11:45
TweetTuxMachines	http://t.co/7RSIZORdoz (fossbytes.com)	Jul 27 11:45
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-fossbytes.com \| How is Firefox OS Different from Android, iOS, Windows Phone and Ubuntu Touch		Jul 27 11:45
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/n9ywg	Jul 27 11:45
schestowitz	I am trying to buy stickers, but "The page you requested cannot be found!" is what I always get when adding to cart	Jul 27 11:52
schestowitz	Linux stickers	Jul 27 11:52
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schestowitz	https://twitter.com/unixstickers/status/625620786544517120	Jul 27 12:05
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@unixstickers: @schestowitz everything is working correctly from our tests and we are unable to reproduce this error, can you please try again?		Jul 27 12:05
schestowitz	I think I can see what the issue is. The site requires JS to work, and runs JS on my PC from SEVEN different domains.	Jul 27 12:06
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schestowitz	https://joindiaspora.com/posts/6389849	Jul 27 12:21
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: "Nintendo discovered it needs users to click "OK" to something..." https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2lupgHYiK9Q #blackmail by bricking consoles until "OK" pressed		Jul 27 12:21
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights--> www.youtube.com \| Richard Stallman - "Freedom in your computer and in the net" (Speech 2014) - YouTube [ http://ur1.ca/n9z6a ]		Jul 27 12:21
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*TweetTuxMachines @tokvbok retweeted @tuxmachines: 'Should You Be Buying an Ubuntu Phone Right...'		Jul 27 12:41
TweetTuxMachines	@maxdan94 OTA: Shell rotation is with us! #UbuntuPhone	Jul 27 12:41
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines @JamalPeter @M_MKTLines @rboese	Jul 27 12:41
TweetTuxMachines	@schestowitz @aman_devy @ajaxdude	Jul 27 12:41
TweetTuxMachines	@TalleyDigital	Jul 27 12:41
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/n9zbc	Jul 27 12:41
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TweetTuxMachines	@LindsworthDeer @tuxmachines Samsung sells 1 million Tizen	Jul 27 14:22
TweetTuxMachines	smartphones while seeking Developers	Jul 27 14:22
TweetTuxMachines	http://t.co/QInNvjTOlq (error)	Jul 27 14:22
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.geezam.com \| Samsung sells 1 million Tizen smartphones while seeking Developers		Jul 27 14:22
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/n9zze	Jul 27 14:22
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Apple Watch and Android compatibility: Should	Jul 27 14:22
TweetTuxMachines	it happen? http://t.co/yp62lXZ1YQ	Jul 27 14:22
TweetTuxMachines	(www.tuxmachines.org)	Jul 27 14:22
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/n9zzf	Jul 27 14:22
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org \| Apple Watch and Android compatibility: Should it happen? \| Tux Machines		Jul 27 14:22
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines NVIDIA shows some Tegra Note 7 love with	Jul 27 14:22
TweetTuxMachines	Android 5.1 http://t.co/gYxH8Tln0m	Jul 27 14:22
TweetTuxMachines	(www.tuxmachines.org)	Jul 27 14:22
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/n9zzg	Jul 27 14:22
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org \| NVIDIA shows some Tegra Note 7 love with Android 5.1 \| Tux Machines		Jul 27 14:22
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Eating our own dog food in open source	Jul 27 14:22
TweetTuxMachines	http://t.co/IsPliLr4ZE (www.tuxmachines.org)	Jul 27 14:22
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/n9zzh	Jul 27 14:22
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org \| Eating our own dog food in open source \| Tux Machines		Jul 27 14:22
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Today in Techrights http://t.co/RjilVXvLQN	Jul 27 14:22
TweetTuxMachines	(www.tuxmachines.org)	Jul 27 14:22
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/n9zzl	Jul 27 14:22
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schestowitz	https://twitter.com/readergordonbp/status/625642488666148864	Jul 27 16:51
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@readergordonbp: @schestowitz I have first-hand experience...(typed from Linux Mint)		Jul 27 16:51
schestowitz	https://twitter.com/CandidCanon/status/625661552033566720	Jul 27 16:51
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@CandidCanon: @schestowitz http://t.co/CCwzppOeYG Android Patents and the Linux world...		Jul 27 16:51
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights--> techrights.org \| Patents in the Android World Further Complicate Freedom in This Linux-Powered Platform \| Techrights		Jul 27 16:51
schestowitz	https://twitter.com/SleepyPenguin1/status/625683976024399872	Jul 27 16:51
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@SleepyPenguin1: Why Chrysler's car hack 'fix' is staggeringly stupid @ruskin147 @schestowitz http://t.co/Lvw44i7375		Jul 27 16:51
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights--> www.zdnet.com \| Why Chrysler's car hack 'fix' is staggeringly stupid \| ZDNet		Jul 27 16:51
schestowitz	https://twitter.com/SleepyPenguin1/status/625611719075885056	Jul 27 16:53
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@SleepyPenguin1: The Windows advantage @ruskin147 https://t.co/g3AGStcpVi		Jul 27 16:53
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz: If #microsoft manages to push many #windows users to #vista10 (even if by removing price tag), it won't be a success. Admission of defeat.		Jul 27 16:53
cubexyz	churnalists, that's a new one	Jul 27 16:56
cubexyz	journalists that advocate software churn?	Jul 27 16:57
cubexyz	ah, I see now, there's a wikipedia entry for it	Jul 27 16:58
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Phoronix on Graphics http://t.co/9t96SNsB0W	Jul 27 17:02
TweetTuxMachines	(www.tuxmachines.org)	Jul 27 17:02
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org \| Phoronix on Graphics \| Tux Machines		Jul 27 17:02
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/na158	Jul 27 17:02
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schestowitz	https://twitter.com/FrancisJeffrey7/status/625696858246094848	Jul 27 17:10
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@FrancisJeffrey7: @schestowitz Further example of fundamental defects cited in-- http://t.co/wJj8aY9evB		Jul 27 17:10
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@cryptostorm_is: This is the single the best summation of 20 years of internet privacy & security progress we've read in... forever: https://t.co/65NfYSCaL6		Jul 27 17:10
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines AMD issues new Linux drivers	Jul 27 17:14
TweetTuxMachines	http://t.co/qPjGmtJFev (www.fudzilla.com)	Jul 27 17:14
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/na19g	Jul 27 17:14
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.fudzilla.com \| AMD issues new Linux drivers		Jul 27 17:14
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Victor Vran Action RPG Is Now Available on	Jul 27 17:14
TweetTuxMachines	Steam for Linux	Jul 27 17:14
TweetTuxMachines	http://t.co/Gdhw470s1d (linux.softpedia.com)	Jul 27 17:14
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-linux.softpedia.com \| Victor Vran Action RPG Is Now Available on Steam for Linux - Softpedia		Jul 27 17:14
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/na19j	Jul 27 17:14
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Meizu MX4 Ubuntu Edition Review - A Diamond in	Jul 27 17:14
TweetTuxMachines	the Rough http://t.co/ypx30SUfOk	Jul 27 17:14
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-news.softpedia.com \| Meizu MX4 Ubuntu Edition Review - A Diamond in the Rough - Softpedia		Jul 27 17:14
TweetTuxMachines	(news.softpedia.com)	Jul 27 17:14
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/na19k	Jul 27 17:14
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schestowitz	https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Niccol%C3%B2_Machiavelli	Jul 27 17:43
schestowitz	""Machiavellianism" is a widely-used negative term to characterize unscrupulous politicians of the sort Machiavelli described in The Prince. The book itself gained enormous notoriety and wide readership because most readers assumed the author was teaching and endorsing evil and immoral behavior. Because of this, the term "Machiavellian" is often associated with deceit, deviousness, ambition, and brutality, although Machiavelli likely only	Jul 27 17:43
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-en.wikipedia.org \| Niccolò Machiavelli - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia [ http://ur1.ca/na1iw ]		Jul 27 17:43
schestowitz	used it as stylistic device to gain the reader's attention for his close analysis of the actual techniques used by rulers."	Jul 27 17:43
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cubexyz	I'll just use the word "Microsoftian" instead	Jul 27 17:50
cubexyz	"Please select which program you use for office documents: A] Microsoft Office 2000 B] Microsoft Office 97 C] Microsoft Office Pro D] Microsoft ... E] Microsoft ... F] Microsoft ... G] Microsoft ..."	Jul 27 17:52
cubexyz	a 'Microsoftian' Choice	Jul 27 17:52
MinceR	:>	Jul 27 17:53
MinceR	what about 'microsoftesque'?	Jul 27 17:53
cubexyz	yes, that word has been used before	Jul 27 17:54
cubexyz	I've had younge people tell me that they use microsoft everything so it's all compatible, e.g. microsoft mouse, microsoft keyboard etc	Jul 27 17:56
cubexyz	although I do think things are improving slowly	Jul 27 18:00
cubexyz	it was over 10 years ago when I heard talk like that	Jul 27 18:00
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Meizu MX4 Ubuntu Edition Gets Big Improvement	Jul 27 18:42
TweetTuxMachines	for Battery http://t.co/xdrWmOIowr	Jul 27 18:42
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-news.softpedia.com \| Meizu MX4 Ubuntu Edition Gets Big Improvement for Battery - Softpedia		Jul 27 18:42
TweetTuxMachines	(news.softpedia.com)	Jul 27 18:42
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/na1yc	Jul 27 18:42
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Manjaro Linux 0.8.13 Update with All the Latest	Jul 27 18:42
TweetTuxMachines	Linux Kernels http://t.co/pGxIk937Bi	Jul 27 18:42
TweetTuxMachines	(www.tuxmachines.org)	Jul 27 18:42
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org \| Manjaro Linux 0.8.13 Update with All the Latest Linux Kernels \| Tux Machines		Jul 27 18:42
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/na1yd	Jul 27 18:42
schestowitz	https://joindiaspora.com/posts/6390734	Jul 27 18:46
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: Today I heard from a #techrights reader (and Windows developer) who said he'd abandon #windows for #gnu #linux because of #vista10		Jul 27 18:46
schestowitz	"	Jul 27 18:46
schestowitz	Would have been better to abandon Windows for GNU//Linux because of freedom, but he still made a good move.	Jul 27 18:46
schestowitz	Also,Windows 8 was really bad. Why not leave Windows due to that?	Jul 27 18:46
schestowitz	"	Jul 27 18:46
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Next-gen Android One phone launches in India	Jul 27 19:09
TweetTuxMachines	for $176 http://t.co/u1TkjTNENV	Jul 27 19:09
TweetTuxMachines	(www.tuxmachines.org)	Jul 27 19:09
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org \| Next-gen Android One phone launches in India for $176 \| Tux Machines		Jul 27 19:09
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/na25y	Jul 27 19:09
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines LG's got a flip phone that runs Android	Jul 27 19:09
TweetTuxMachines	Lollipop http://t.co/UifrOGZMZ1	Jul 27 19:09
TweetTuxMachines	(www.tuxmachines.org)	Jul 27 19:09
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org \| LG's got a flip phone that runs Android Lollipop \| Tux Machines		Jul 27 19:09
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/na25z	Jul 27 19:09
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines UK health service nurtures open source	Jul 27 19:10
TweetTuxMachines	communities http://t.co/pcMC6ur0Ln	Jul 27 19:10
TweetTuxMachines	(www.tuxmachines.org)	Jul 27 19:10
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org \| UK health service nurtures open source communities \| Tux Machines		Jul 27 19:10
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/na260	Jul 27 19:10
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines The Companies That Support Linux: MariaDB	Jul 27 19:10
TweetTuxMachines	http://t.co/B1JOvNLAwT (www.tuxmachines.org)	Jul 27 19:10
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/na262	Jul 27 19:10
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org \| The Companies That Support Linux: MariaDB \| Tux Machines		Jul 27 19:10
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines FreeBSD Making Progress With Their Linux Binary	Jul 27 23:04
TweetTuxMachines	Emulation & More http://t.co/xHXCPYJvbV	Jul 27 23:04
TweetTuxMachines	(www.tuxmachines.org)	Jul 27 23:04
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/na3sj	Jul 27 23:04
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org \| FreeBSD Making Progress With Their Linux Binary Emulation & More \| Tux Machines		Jul 27 23:04
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Exton\|OS Light Distro Brings Linux Kernel 4.0	Jul 27 23:04
TweetTuxMachines	and Openbox to Ubuntu 15.04	Jul 27 23:04
TweetTuxMachines	http://t.co/g54wtFVd6o (www.tuxmachines.org)	Jul 27 23:04
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/na3sk	Jul 27 23:04
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org \| Exton\|OS Light Distro Brings Linux Kernel 4.0 and Openbox to Ubuntu 15.04 \| Tux Machines		Jul 27 23:04
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schestowitz	https://joindiaspora.com/posts/6393245	Jul 27 23:05
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: #microsoft knew that Vista "was a pig" was was afraid of releasing it to the public while lying to the public http://betanews.com/2008/11/21/hurd-s-the-word-in-ballmer-s-e-mail-nightmares/		Jul 27 23:05
schestowitz	"	Jul 27 23:05
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights--> betanews.com \| Hurd's the word in Ballmer's e-mail nightmares [ http://ur1.ca/na3t7 ]		Jul 27 23:06
schestowitz	I like this comment, another case of people getting what deserved:	Jul 27 23:06
schestowitz	“but you have to remember that, at least some, users’ decision to get vista was as technical as “it looks pretty”. Many people equate the interface and the overall look of an OS to it being better.”	Jul 27 23:06
schestowitz	Haha!	Jul 27 23:06
schestowitz	"	Jul 27 23:06
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MinceR	http://www.breitbart.com/big-hollywood/2015/07/20/enough-entire-entertainment-industry-says-no-more-to-social-justice-warriors/	Jul 28 01:02
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.breitbart.com \| Entertainment Industry Says 'No More' to Social Justice Warriors [ http://ur1.ca/na4kh ]		Jul 28 01:02
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Mr. Robot TV Show Now Uses BackTrack Linux's	Jul 28 01:42
TweetTuxMachines	Successor, Kali Linux for Hacking	Jul 28 01:42
TweetTuxMachines	http://t.co/Q6rST8aISm (www.tuxmachines.org)	Jul 28 01:42
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/na4to	Jul 28 01:42
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org \| Mr. Robot TV Show Now Uses BackTrack Linux's Successor, Kali Linux for Hacking \| Tux Machines		Jul 28 01:42
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Major update in cauldron http://t.co/Upk5zsJgjx	Jul 28 01:42
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cubexyz	ok, got a bit of an oddball situation with IDE devices	Jul 28 04:31
cubexyz	I'd like to add a 5th IDE device	Jul 28 04:31
oiaohm	Exactly how is that odd.	Jul 28 04:36
oiaohm	Per sata port in one of my systems I have 5 drives	Jul 28 04:36
oiaohm	Some of those are a mix of sata and ide.	Jul 28 04:36
oiaohm	cubexyz: http://cplonline.com.au/internal-ide-to-sata-adaptor-ada-ide-sata.html?gclid=CP_K64nz_MYCFQxwvAodFA8EKw	Jul 28 04:38
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-cplonline.com.au \| Internal IDE to SATA Adaptor - Biggest Range and Best Price \| Computers & Parts Land [ http://ur1.ca/na5wb ]		Jul 28 04:38
oiaohm	cubexyz: This combind with a sata mulitpier and you could put 5 pata drives to 1 sata port.	Jul 28 04:38
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oiaohm	cubexyz: remember sata/pata drive based off spinning media cannot fill a sata ports transfer speed. Yes stacking 5 of them onto a single port still puts less transfer load than using a solid state drive.	Jul 28 04:43
cubexyz	oiaohm, doesn't matter	Jul 28 04:46
cubexyz	I don't have any SATA devices	Jul 28 04:46
cubexyz	could a P3 benefit from using a SATA hard drive?	Jul 28 04:47
cubexyz	guess I'm well out of date	Jul 28 04:48
oiaohm	cubexyz: to be warped there is pata port on motherboard to sata convertors out there.	Jul 28 04:48
oiaohm	Yes I have put a sata multiplier on those not for performance just because I could.	Jul 28 04:49
oiaohm	The reality is that is getting hard to get pata drives cubexyz	Jul 28 04:49
cubexyz	oiaohm, yes I stockpiled quite a few CDROM drives	Jul 28 04:49
cubexyz	do they not make IDE devices at all now?	Jul 28 04:50
oiaohm	cubexyz: exactly why would you.	Jul 28 04:50
cubexyz	to keep my older computers working	Jul 28 04:51
oiaohm	There is sata drive to pata as well as pata drive to sata	Jul 28 04:51
oiaohm	converters	Jul 28 04:51
cubexyz	oiaohm, same reason why I watch out for SCSI-1 hard drives	Jul 28 04:51
cubexyz	the amiga 500 needs those	Jul 28 04:51
cubexyz	I have an interesting in classic computing	Jul 28 04:52
cubexyz	s/interesting/interest/	Jul 28 04:52
oiaohm	http://www.amazon.com/HDE-SATA-Drive-Interface-Adapter/dp/B002Y2NI4M	Jul 28 04:52
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.amazon.com \| Amazon.com: HDE SATA to PATA/IDE Hard Drive Interface Adapter: Computers & Accessories [ http://ur1.ca/na5zl ]		Jul 28 04:52
oiaohm	cubexyz: this above	Jul 28 04:52
oiaohm	That takes a sata drive and turns it into a pata.	Jul 28 04:52
oiaohm	and there is fun products like this. http://www.addonics.com/products/adsalvd160.php	Jul 28 04:54
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.addonics.com \| Addonics Product: SATA to SCSI Converter [ http://ur1.ca/na603 ]		Jul 28 04:54
cubexyz	looks like canada computers doesn't have any IDE drives now	Jul 28 04:54
oiaohm	That take a sata drives and turns them into scsi for old systems.	Jul 28 04:55
oiaohm	So fairly much sata converted to everything.	Jul 28 04:55
cubexyz	hardly that oiaohm :)	Jul 28 04:56
cubexyz	for one thing, there's no 50 pin connector	Jul 28 04:56
cubexyz	hopefully there's still lots of used drives kicking around	Jul 28 04:57
oiaohm	Not really a issue.	Jul 28 04:57
cubexyz	I realize I'm a very atypical computer user	Jul 28 04:57
oiaohm	There is a scsi Lvd 160 to scsi 50 pin converter.	Jul 28 04:57
oiaohm	Most cases with a sata drive you need a max of 1 converter.	Jul 28 04:57
oiaohm	Some odd ball cases you need 2.	Jul 28 04:58
oiaohm	Bigger issue is formating and size of drive.	Jul 28 04:58
cubexyz	looks like ebay has a fair number of SCSI-1 hard drives	Jul 28 04:58
oiaohm	Mostly old and buggered.	Jul 28 04:59
oiaohm	I work with alot of old systems	Jul 28 04:59
oiaohm	Stupid enough to get like 40G drive new its go solid state.	Jul 28 05:00
cubexyz	I'd consider a plug-compatible SSD	Jul 28 05:00
oiaohm	Note I stated with sata ssd then adaptors.	Jul 28 05:00
oiaohm	cubexyz: http://www.ebay.com/itm/NEW-2014-SCA-80-to-50-68-PIN-ULTRA-SCSI-II-III-LVD-SE-ADAPTER-9866-/301462107251 I guess never seen these.	Jul 28 05:02
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.ebay.com \| New 2014 SCA 80 to 50 68 Pin Ultra SCSI II III LVD SE Adapter 9866 \| eBay [ http://ur1.ca/na61o ]		Jul 28 05:02
oiaohm	Basically there is very little reason to be playing around with Sata 1 drives other than historic perfection	Jul 28 05:03
cubexyz	there is one other consideration	Jul 28 05:03
oiaohm	So that sata to scsi converter + plus the last one.	Jul 28 05:03
cubexyz	the amiga 500 has an external hard drive with it's own case	Jul 28 05:03
oiaohm	Add in solid state that is down right small.	Jul 28 05:04
oiaohm	And all that fits perfectly.	Jul 28 05:04
cubexyz	so the new device must fit inside the case	Jul 28 05:04
oiaohm	Yep no problem	Jul 28 05:04
oiaohm	2.5 inch solid state drive	Jul 28 05:04
cubexyz	ok good :)	Jul 28 05:04
oiaohm	Tons of room for the converters.	Jul 28 05:04
oiaohm	Yes you can choose to use spinning media.	Jul 28 05:05
cubexyz	oiaohm, I have a quantum scsi-1 from 1990	Jul 28 05:05
cubexyz	still works good	Jul 28 05:05
cubexyz	and another one from 1993	Jul 28 05:05
cubexyz	for some reason those drives seemed to last a lot longer	Jul 28 05:06
oiaohm	Would that be a bigfoot ie 5 1/2 inch	Jul 28 05:06
cubexyz	no, 3.5"	Jul 28 05:06
oiaohm	I have a old scsi-1 quantum bigfoot that still works.	Jul 28 05:06
amarsh04	$ lsscsi	Jul 28 05:06
amarsh04	[0:0:6:0] disk IBM DCAS-34330W S65A /dev/sda	Jul 28 05:06
amarsh04	1998 era 2 GB IBM SCSI	Jul 28 05:06
oiaohm	amarsh04: the bigfoot is 250Meg	Jul 28 05:07
amarsh04	correction, 4GiB	Jul 28 05:07
amarsh04	huge... (-:	Jul 28 05:08
oiaohm	Yep compared to the big foot that is huge.	Jul 28 05:08
cubexyz	I think there was some limitation on the amiga 500 regarding the size	Jul 28 05:08
oiaohm	But also small.	Jul 28 05:08
cubexyz	can't remember now exactly	Jul 28 05:08
oiaohm	cubexyz: that will be your biggest problem.	Jul 28 05:08
amarsh04	had opengl and vdpau fail on my radeon 3850HD video card, finally went back to the onboad video (radeon 3200HD) and it worked again	Jul 28 05:09
cubexyz	I think I run the oldest stuff here :)	Jul 28 05:09
amarsh04	spent a long time looking for software issues first	Jul 28 05:09
oiaohm	cubexyz: http://www.idotpc.com/thestore/pc/SD-SATA-SD-Card-Reader-to-SATA-Adapter-p918.htm	Jul 28 05:09
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oiaohm	Yes for some of your really old machines to use new turns insane.	Jul 28 05:10
oiaohm	So SD to sata to get drive small enough in size then Sata to converter to get to right type. Then maybe adapter to get to right plug size.	Jul 28 05:10
cubexyz	I think the limit was 4 gigs on the amiga	Jul 28 05:12
cubexyz	32-bit limit	Jul 28 05:12
oiaohm	You hope so	Jul 28 05:13
cubexyz	no, I'm reading what others have done	Jul 28 05:13
cubexyz	I'm reasonably sure	Jul 28 05:13
oiaohm	SD you can still do 1G drives	Jul 28 05:13
oiaohm	Yes a new SD with converters is still faster than the old drives back then.	Jul 28 05:13
cubexyz	I think that's just the partition limit though	Jul 28 05:14
cubexyz	so maybe I could make a bunch of 4 gig partitions	Jul 28 05:14
oiaohm	cubexyz: http://www.tldp.org/HOWTO/Large-Disk-HOWTO-4.html The historic limits	Jul 28 05:16
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tldp.org \| Large Disk HOWTO: History of BIOS and IDE limits [ http://ur1.ca/na64h ]		Jul 28 05:16
oiaohm	The most horible that I currently don't have a solution using new is the 512Meg limit.	Jul 28 05:16
oiaohm	Yes I can get around the 512meg limit but its a custom order.	Jul 28 05:16
cubexyz	oiaohm, that article seems to be limited to PCs	Jul 28 05:17
cubexyz	it would be Amiga firmware in my case	Jul 28 05:17
oiaohm	IDE controllers all kinda had the same limits.	Jul 28 05:17
cubexyz	not IDE, SCSI-1 :)	Jul 28 05:17
oiaohm	scsi-1 also had the same kinds of limits.	Jul 28 05:18
oiaohm	Same firmware screw ups.	Jul 28 05:18
cubexyz	not to mention microvax or sparc	Jul 28 05:18
cubexyz	how big did scsi-1 drives get?	Jul 28 05:19
cubexyz	my SCSI rom is gvpscsi.device v4.15	Jul 28 05:20
cubexyz	I think early Suns used SCSI-1 also	Jul 28 05:24
oiaohm	The worst is atari software screw up biggest drive 16 megs	Jul 28 05:25
oiaohm	To replace that hard drive using modern parts is 100 percent custom order.	Jul 28 05:25
cubexyz	atari ST?	Jul 28 05:26
cubexyz	which atari are we talking about	Jul 28 05:26
oiaohm	Yep Atari ST I what I am talking about.	Jul 28 05:30
oiaohm	I have a guy who does displays of historic computers.	Jul 28 05:30
oiaohm	I do parts for him using current day so least ammount of collectable is used.	Jul 28 05:31
cubexyz	some amiga folks are using CF drives	Jul 28 05:31
oiaohm	cubexyz: try buying a CF small enough these days.	Jul 28 05:31
oiaohm	Its custom order.	Jul 28 05:31
oiaohm	That one is where I need a lie to me module.	Jul 28 05:32
oiaohm	cubexyz: http://www.ebay.com.au/itm/like/381296786606?limghlpsr=true&hlpv=2&ops=true&viphx=1&hlpht=true&lpid=107&chn=ps	Jul 28 05:35
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oiaohm	Floppy drives are these.	Jul 28 05:35
oiaohm	yes that a 3.5 inch usb that replaces a 5 1/2 inch floppy drive.	Jul 28 05:35
cubexyz	5.25"	Jul 28 05:35
oiaohm	Opps	Jul 28 05:35
oiaohm	5 1/4	Jul 28 05:36
cubexyz	I might want to get a 5.25" for a vic-20 or c64	Jul 28 05:36
cubexyz	the drive that is	Jul 28 05:36
cubexyz	some stuff needs to be archived	Jul 28 05:36
oiaohm	I think there is a emulator for c64 drive.	Jul 28 05:36
cubexyz	I still have some 5.25" floppies that need to be read	Jul 28 05:37
cubexyz	rather careless of me to have waited this long	Jul 28 05:37
oiaohm	http://www.lemon64.com/forum/viewtopic.php?p=11488	Jul 28 05:38
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oiaohm	You want a catweasel.	Jul 28 05:38
cubexyz	sounds expensive	Jul 28 05:38
oiaohm	The controller is about 120 dollars and goes into a standard PCI socket.	Jul 28 05:40
cubexyz	original catweasel was for ISA	Jul 28 05:40
cubexyz	so I guess I want PCI, yes	Jul 28 05:40
oiaohm	Its up to revision 4 cubexyz	Jul 28 05:40
oiaohm	I have used it with a PCI-e to pci converter before.	Jul 28 05:40
oiaohm	Yes that uses standard floppy drives.	Jul 28 05:40
oiaohm	So the controller is expensive but the drives it needs is not.	Jul 28 05:41
cubexyz	do they still make catweasel?	Jul 28 05:41
cubexyz	don't think anyone has them in stock	Jul 28 05:42
oiaohm	They are hard to get now.	Jul 28 05:45
oiaohm	But there are still some places around with old stock.	Jul 28 05:45
oiaohm	cubexyz: https://icomp.de/shop-icomp/en/shop/product/keyrah-v2.html problem is we are doing this more and more.	Jul 28 05:53
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oiaohm	Keep the shell hide a PI inside emulating the old system.	Jul 28 05:53
cubexyz	yes	Jul 28 05:54
cubexyz	hard to avoid especially if you are into old PDP-11 stuff	Jul 28 05:54
cubexyz	the old devices are $$$	Jul 28 05:54
oiaohm	And for displays not dependable.	Jul 28 05:56
cubexyz	actually I'd buy a good microvax emulator	Jul 28 05:57
cubexyz	it would need to run old X and old Unix	Jul 28 05:59
oiaohm	cubexyz: if you like PDP-11 stuff I hope you have heard about this one http://labo.nshimizu.com/pop11.html	Jul 28 06:00
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oiaohm	That is not a emulator that is a reimplementation using current day tech.	Jul 28 06:00
cubexyz	I was looking at this:	Jul 28 06:01
cubexyz	http://opencores.org/project,w11,systems	Jul 28 06:01
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oiaohm	Ok that is another one.	Jul 28 06:02
cubexyz	they already tried Unix v5 on it	Jul 28 06:02
cubexyz	and 2.11BSD	Jul 28 06:02
cubexyz	cheaper than buying a real PDP-11/70 that's for sure	Jul 28 06:03
oiaohm	Really I think fpga is what going to keep lot of the historic systems alive for demostrations.	Jul 28 06:03
cubexyz	I wouldn't use their Unix v5 image	Jul 28 06:03
cubexyz	I have my own :)	Jul 28 06:03
oiaohm	Australia first supercomputer (that performance is crap) cannot be turned on because it requires the power of 4 suburbs.	Jul 28 06:03
oiaohm	Basically power half a million homes or this historic computer that is less powerful than a calculator.	Jul 28 06:04
cubexyz	some vacuum tube monster?	Jul 28 06:04
oiaohm	Yep.	Jul 28 06:05
oiaohm	Its full repaired and theorically operational.	Jul 28 06:05
oiaohm	Just no one is willing to pay the power bill to find out.	Jul 28 06:05
oiaohm	cubexyz: Its located right next to a substation is it is possible to turn it on.	Jul 28 06:06
cubexyz	CSIRAC?	Jul 28 06:06
cubexyz	well maybe there's an emulator for it	Jul 28 06:07
oiaohm	Yep CSIRAC	Jul 28 06:07
cubexyz	they should turn it on for an hour run some tests then shut it down	Jul 28 06:07
oiaohm	http://www.csse.unimelb.edu.au/dept/about/csirac/emulator.html	Jul 28 06:08
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oiaohm	We do have a fully working software emulator for it.	Jul 28 06:08
cubexyz	I draw the line at SSI era :)	Jul 28 06:09
msb_	Hard to believe a vacuum tube computer could come anywhere near the power of a $200 CPU chip today.	Jul 28 06:13
oiaohm	cubexyz: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MONIAC_Computer I have considered building one of these.	Jul 28 06:13
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oiaohm	cubexyz: just for the wrongness factor.	Jul 28 06:13
cubexyz	remember the sci-fi theme of later generations not being able to fix anything	Jul 28 06:14
cubexyz	it's just about true nowadays	Jul 28 06:14
oiaohm	msb_: depends on what class of vaccum some of the old analog designs are very hard to copy in digital.	Jul 28 06:15
cubexyz	planned obsolescence all the way	Jul 28 06:16
msb_	Not _very_ hard. But I assumed it's digital.	Jul 28 06:16
cubexyz	I can't even think of a laptop that's highly repairable	Jul 28 06:17
oiaohm	Some of the old valve based computers had analog maths circuits msb_	Jul 28 06:18
cubexyz	they are all a pain in the butt to take apart	Jul 28 06:18
oiaohm	For doing some very strange and special maths.	Jul 28 06:18
oiaohm	Those can give a modern day digital a run for it money.	Jul 28 06:18
msb_	oiaohm: I know. 55 years ago I worked in a biochem lab. They built their own analog computer modules.	Jul 28 06:19
oiaohm	fpga and the like we are starting to see some classes of cpus are starting to be able to beat valve based always.	Jul 28 06:20
msb_	For modelling enzymatic reactions.	Jul 28 06:20
cubexyz	I can live with emulators	Jul 28 06:20
cubexyz	http://www.maxhost.org/other/serial-login-to-openbsd.png	Jul 28 06:25
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msb_	Fascist breitbart claims to speak for the entire entertainment industry.	Jul 28 06:33
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msb_	During WW2 there were mechanical analog computers for figuring out trajectories, etc.	Jul 28 06:36
amarsh04	I remember the analog computer at the University of Adelaide Physics laboratories	Jul 28 06:44
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Mr. Robot TV Show Now Uses BackTrack Linux's	Jul 28 08:34
TweetTuxMachines	Successor, Kali Linux for Hacking	Jul 28 08:34
TweetTuxMachines	http://t.co/wc9e8Ijaa5 (linux.softpedia.com)	Jul 28 08:34
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Akademy Day 3 the start of BoFs, meetings and	Jul 28 08:35
TweetTuxMachines	workshops https://t.co/9RQCfL2cna (dot.kde.org)	Jul 28 08:35
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/na7dm	Jul 28 08:35
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines 3.5-inch SBC runs Yocto on Braswell and 6 Watts	Jul 28 10:37
TweetTuxMachines	http://t.co/gT8X20J5KT (linuxgizmos.com)	Jul 28 10:37
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TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/na86y	Jul 28 10:37
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Following Debian's GNU/Hurd in 2015	Jul 28 10:37
TweetTuxMachines	http://t.co/pIVcUDD7lZ (distrowatch.com)	Jul 28 10:37
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/na870	Jul 28 10:37
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines ARNU Box Announces the First Pure Linux Kodi	Jul 28 10:37
TweetTuxMachines	15.0 "Isengard" Powered Set-Top Boxes	Jul 28 10:37
TweetTuxMachines	http://t.co/pjOEiAyrDQ (news.softpedia.com)	Jul 28 10:37
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines BackBox 4.3 review: Not just for penetration	Jul 28 10:41
TweetTuxMachines	tests and security assessments	Jul 28 10:41
TweetTuxMachines	http://t.co/GPxjfts8iB (linuxbsdos.com)	Jul 28 10:41
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/na889	Jul 28 10:41
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines OnePlus 2: A Big Android Phone for Relatively	Jul 28 10:41
TweetTuxMachines	Little Money http://t.co/fHIp7SAfsJ	Jul 28 10:41
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TweetTuxMachines	(blogs.wsj.com)	Jul 28 10:41
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/na88a	Jul 28 10:41
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines After Firefox, LibreOffice Has Been Hacked to	Jul 28 10:41
TweetTuxMachines	Work on Wayland - Video http://t.co/pXRGP16Wqn	Jul 28 10:41
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TweetTuxMachines	(linux.softpedia.com)	Jul 28 10:41
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/na88b	Jul 28 10:41
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Fedora's Package Growth Rate Has Begun To Stall	Jul 28 10:58
TweetTuxMachines	http://t.co/xTGkKwfRa8 (www.phoronix.com)	Jul 28 10:58
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/na8cd	Jul 28 10:58
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Canonical Apologizes for Telephony Regression	Jul 28 10:58
TweetTuxMachines	in Ubuntu Touch for Nexus 4, Fix Released	Jul 28 10:58
TweetTuxMachines	http://t.co/jRkjL8y7pW (news.softpedia.com)	Jul 28 10:58
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-news.softpedia.com \| Canonical Apologizes for Telephony Regression in Ubuntu Touch for Nexus 4, Fix Released - Softpedia		Jul 28 10:58
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/na8ce	Jul 28 10:58
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Canonical Apologizes for Telephony Regression	Jul 28 10:59
TweetTuxMachines	in Ubuntu Touch for Nexus 4, Fix Released	Jul 28 10:59
TweetTuxMachines	http://t.co/DEL4IUv6hm (www.tuxmachines.org)	Jul 28 10:59
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/na8cg	Jul 28 10:59
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines BackBox 4.3 review: Not just for penetration	Jul 28 10:59
TweetTuxMachines	tests and security assessments	Jul 28 10:59
TweetTuxMachines	http://t.co/Y1Ov2XR98P (www.tuxmachines.org)	Jul 28 10:59
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/na8cj	Jul 28 10:59
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org \| BackBox 4.3 review: Not just for penetration tests and security assessments \| Tux Machines		Jul 28 10:59
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Following Debian's GNU/Hurd in 2015	Jul 28 10:59
TweetTuxMachines	http://t.co/dzkuCIsxbN (www.tuxmachines.org)	Jul 28 10:59
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/na8cn	Jul 28 10:59
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Open source software is the only way to keep up	Jul 28 11:00
TweetTuxMachines	http://t.co/laA4RdpTrV (www.tuxmachines.org)	Jul 28 11:00
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/na8cs	Jul 28 11:00
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines LibreOffice 5.0 to Bring Better Support for	Jul 28 11:58
TweetTuxMachines	Special Scientific Formats	Jul 28 11:58
TweetTuxMachines	http://t.co/VJU6I2FeOy (www.tuxmachines.org)	Jul 28 11:58
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/na8ql	Jul 28 11:58
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org \| LibreOffice 5.0 to Bring Better Support for Special Scientific Formats \| Tux Machines		Jul 28 11:58
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Links 28/7/2015: Linux 4.2 RC4, New Logos and	Jul 28 12:14
TweetTuxMachines	Bug 'Branding' for FUD http://t.co/aHN69cLepu	Jul 28 12:14
TweetTuxMachines	(techrights.org)	Jul 28 12:14
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/na8ul	Jul 28 12:14
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines "The MakerWare I run on Ubuntu works well."	Jul 28 12:14
TweetTuxMachines	https://t.co/DM5iwkZc9e (outflux.net)	Jul 28 12:14
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/na8un	Jul 28 12:14
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Android Auto secrets hint at vehicle diagnostic	Jul 28 12:14
TweetTuxMachines	app, expanded car integration	Jul 28 12:14
TweetTuxMachines	http://t.co/K6rzaA3cIk (arstechnica.com)	Jul 28 12:14
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/na8uo	Jul 28 12:14
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-outflux.net \| 3D printing Poe « codeblog		Jul 28 12:14
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Lava Pixel V1 to launch as the second-gen	Jul 28 12:25
TweetTuxMachines	Android One smartphone	Jul 28 12:25
TweetTuxMachines	http://t.co/LUxtqxVgJi (www.gsmarena.com)	Jul 28 12:25
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/na8xz	Jul 28 12:25
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines What to expect from the OnePlus 2, the most	Jul 28 12:25
TweetTuxMachines	hyped Android phone of the year	Jul 28 12:25
TweetTuxMachines	http://t.co/Yjfc7aughl (mashable.com)	Jul 28 12:25
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TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/na8y0	Jul 28 12:25
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Red Hat News http://t.co/uAwCmUKOsY	Jul 28 12:25
TweetTuxMachines	(www.tuxmachines.org)	Jul 28 12:25
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/na8y1	Jul 28 12:25
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Leftovers: Gaming http://t.co/MDSyy9JOSG	Jul 28 12:27
TweetTuxMachines	(www.tuxmachines.org)	Jul 28 12:27
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/na8yg	Jul 28 12:27
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines today's howtos http://t.co/8BrV7HgFua	Jul 28 12:27
TweetTuxMachines	(www.tuxmachines.org)	Jul 28 12:27
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/na8yh	Jul 28 12:27
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Leftovers: Software http://t.co/OwU6pNIx6B	Jul 28 12:27
TweetTuxMachines	(www.tuxmachines.org)	Jul 28 12:27
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/na8yi	Jul 28 12:27
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines today's leftovers http://t.co/EQQslPP0ne	Jul 28 12:27
TweetTuxMachines	(www.tuxmachines.org)	Jul 28 12:27
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TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/na8yk	Jul 28 12:27
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oiaohm	http://www.zdnet.com/article/want-to-remove-the-ads-from-solitaire-in-windows-10-thatll-be-1-49-a-month/	Jul 28 12:33
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.zdnet.com \| Want to remove the ads from Solitaire in Windows 10? That'll be $1.49 a month \| ZDNet [ http://ur1.ca/na8zt ]		Jul 28 12:33
oiaohm	O my I new Microsoft would have to come up with something.	Jul 28 12:33
oiaohm	boy is the media nuts about the recent andriod phone issue. Its in fact in a turnable off part of android. Ok horiblely had part to turn off requiring adb shell but it does have a off switch.	Jul 28 12:46
cubexyz	doesn't windows have ads built-in now?	Jul 28 12:49
cubexyz	I haven't used windows in quite some time so my info is out of date	Jul 28 12:50
oiaohm	Not normally in default applications of the OS.	Jul 28 12:51
oiaohm	Trail ware yes.	Jul 28 12:51
cubexyz	WGA, activation, forced patches, and ads in solitaire	Jul 28 12:52
cubexyz	people will be reminiscing about the good ol' days of win2k	Jul 28 12:54
oiaohm	You missed sign in with microsoft accounts.	Jul 28 12:54
cubexyz	and by "good ol' days" I mean less shitty	Jul 28 12:54
oiaohm	So Microsoft tracks when you use your computer.	Jul 28 12:54
cubexyz	what, like MSN?	Jul 28 12:55
cubexyz	never used that	Jul 28 12:55
oiaohm	cubexyz: outlook.com	Jul 28 12:56
oiaohm	Default setup windows 8.x and 10 instead of creating a local account it asks you to use existing or create a new account with outlook.com	Jul 28 12:56
oiaohm	cubexyz: yes password is then changable by Microsoft server as well.	Jul 28 12:59
cubexyz	oiaohm, I know the source code for win2k solitaire was leaked	Jul 28 13:05
cubexyz	of course, best to avoid windows altogether	Jul 28 13:06
cubexyz	reversi as well	Jul 28 13:07
cubexyz	the tendency for microsoft these days is to remove stuff	Jul 28 13:13
cubexyz	kind of like SCO Xenix... you want a compiler it's $$$ extra, you want tcp/ip, it's extra, etc	Jul 28 13:14
oiaohm	Really microsoft use to sell their complier as well.	Jul 28 13:16
cubexyz	they don't any more?	Jul 28 13:18
oiaohm	The sdks with compliers for Windows has been free for years.	Jul 28 13:19
oiaohm	Ok crap from standards point of view but free.	Jul 28 13:19
cubexyz	can you recall which compiler they used to build windows 2000?	Jul 28 13:21
oiaohm	cubexyz: the complier in the driver development kit for Windows 2000	Jul 28 13:26
oiaohm	https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Windows_Driver_Kit	Jul 28 13:27
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cubexyz	I think that has vanished	Jul 28 13:32
cubexyz	but maybe someone archived it	Jul 28 13:32
cubexyz	I got vc6	Jul 28 13:35
cubexyz	probably good enough to compile some chunks	Jul 28 13:35
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oiaohm	cubexyz: no vc6 is different to the OS builder.	Jul 28 13:52
oiaohm	cubexyz: reactos does have a sdk based on mingw that is fairly able.	Jul 28 13:52
cubexyz	vc6 didn't seem to like wine too much	Jul 28 13:52
oiaohm	vc6 complier is from the psdk	Jul 28 13:53
oiaohm	Yes Microsoft has been making 2 compliers.	Jul 28 13:53
oiaohm	one for building userspace stuff and one for building kernel stuff.	Jul 28 13:53
oiaohm	Never in the middle should meet.	Jul 28 13:53
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Razer confirms Ouya purchase in bid to take	Jul 28 13:55
TweetTuxMachines	over Android TV gaming http://t.co/X7PyVEnqgx	Jul 28 13:55
TweetTuxMachines	(www.theverge.com)	Jul 28 13:55
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.theverge.com \| Razer confirms Ouya purchase in bid to take over Android TV gaming \| The Verge		Jul 28 13:55
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/na9ly	Jul 28 13:55
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Razer hopes Ouya acquistion will fuel an	Jul 28 13:55
TweetTuxMachines	Android-powered revolution	Jul 28 13:55
TweetTuxMachines	http://t.co/TXAOQ8GKjl (www.polygon.com)	Jul 28 13:55
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TweetTuxMachines	http://t.co/X7PyVEnqgx (www.theverge.com)	Jul 28 13:55
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/na9m0	Jul 28 13:55
cubexyz	hey oiaohm	Jul 28 14:02
cubexyz	http://www.maxhost.org/other/secret-stuff-do-not-look.png	Jul 28 14:02
cubexyz	the microsoft version of solitaire wasn't that great	Jul 28 14:04
oiaohm	cubexyz: that is why it so supid.	Jul 28 14:04
oiaohm	stupid	Jul 28 14:04
oiaohm	Charging money for something you did release the source code to.	Jul 28 14:05
cubexyz	they actually released the source code?	Jul 28 14:05
cubexyz	it got leaked	Jul 28 14:06
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cubexyz	as far as I know	Jul 28 14:08
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Links 28/7/2015: Linux 4.2 RC4, New Logos and	Jul 28 14:16
TweetTuxMachines	retweeted by Bug 'Branding' for FUD http://t.co/aHN69cLepu	Jul 28 14:16
TweetTuxMachines	@schestowitz (techrights.org)	Jul 28 14:16
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/na9w1	Jul 28 14:16
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines New home storage box with Fedora and ARM	Jul 28 14:16
TweetTuxMachines	http://t.co/VzIV6tVYnp (kushaldas.in)	Jul 28 14:16
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/na9w2	Jul 28 14:16
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Submerged, A Third-person Combat-free Adventure	Jul 28 14:16
TweetTuxMachines	Game May Get Linux Support	Jul 28 14:16
TweetTuxMachines	https://t.co/YbDK2jNcfD (www.gamingonlinux.com)	Jul 28 14:16
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/na9w7	Jul 28 14:16
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org \| Links 28/7/2015: Linux 4.2 RC4, New Logos and Bug ‘Branding’ for FUD \| Techrights		Jul 28 14:16
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines The Raven - Legacy Of A Master Thief Now	Jul 28 14:29
TweetTuxMachines	Available On GOG For Linux	Jul 28 14:29
TweetTuxMachines	https://t.co/8WLJMdKs03 (www.gamingonlinux.com)	Jul 28 14:29
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/na9zh	Jul 28 14:29
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.gamingonlinux.com \| The Raven - Legacy Of A Master Thief Now Available On GOG For Linux \| GamingOnLinux		Jul 28 14:29
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Starship Rubicon, A Space Combat Roguelike	Jul 28 14:30
TweetTuxMachines	Updated With A Linux Port, Some Thoughts	Jul 28 14:30
TweetTuxMachines	https://t.co/qvwiExR1pM (www.gamingonlinux.com)	Jul 28 14:30
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/na9zi	Jul 28 14:30
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Akademy 2015 videos available	Jul 28 14:30
TweetTuxMachines	https://t.co/jw3DJ5fdVd (dot.kde.org)	Jul 28 14:30
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/na9zj	Jul 28 14:30
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-dot.kde.org \| Akademy 2015 videos available \| KDE.news		Jul 28 14:30
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines "Elite Kubuntu developer Scarlett wins an	Jul 28 14:36
TweetTuxMachines	Akademy Award!" http://t.co/BwGy5QiAdr	Jul 28 14:36
TweetTuxMachines	(jriddell.org)	Jul 28 14:36
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-jriddell.org \| Akademy A Coruña Photos \| Jonathan Riddell's Diary		Jul 28 14:36
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/naa19	Jul 28 14:36
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines "LidarViewer is Linux specific. As a Linux	Jul 28 14:36
TweetTuxMachines	user, that made me really happy"	Jul 28 14:36
TweetTuxMachines	http://t.co/lk3c8Mv1Xa (opensource.com)	Jul 28 14:36
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-opensource.com \| 3D data manipulation in LidarViewer \| Opensource.com		Jul 28 14:36
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/naa1a	Jul 28 14:36
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Open source runs Croatia’s geospatial services	Jul 28 14:36
TweetTuxMachines	platforms http://t.co/R2WzkGOMCV	Jul 28 14:36
TweetTuxMachines	(www.tuxmachines.org)	Jul 28 14:36
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TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/naa1c	Jul 28 14:36
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Standardisation process should be open, study	Jul 28 14:40
TweetTuxMachines	shows http://t.co/ULjvFOgC6N	Jul 28 14:40
TweetTuxMachines	(www.tuxmachines.org)	Jul 28 14:40
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TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/naa2h	Jul 28 14:40
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MinceR	to msb_, the world is black and white, and the Holy Trinity of putin, kim jong-un and xi jinping will save us all in a Holy Global Dictatorship	Jul 28 19:26
msb_	MinceR: Please stop lying about me and making false claims about what I think.	Jul 28 19:27
MinceR	msb_: please stop supporting causes and people you know jack shit about.	Jul 28 19:29
msb_	MinceR: What "causes and people" are you claiming that I support? Please give actual quotes from what I have written.	Jul 28 19:30
MinceR	like putin and his little adventure in ukraine and the baltic states	Jul 28 19:30
MinceR	and the chemtrail bullshit	Jul 28 19:31
msb_	MinceR: Every alternative news source says that the US backed a Nazi regime in Ukraine. For example: http://www.globalresearch.ca/the-u-s-has-installed-a-neo-nazi-government-in-ukraine/5371554	Jul 28 19:33
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.globalresearch.ca \| The U.S. has Installed a Neo-Nazi Government in Ukraine \| Global Research - Centre for Research on Globalization [ http://ur1.ca/ji3em ]		Jul 28 19:33
msb_	MinceR: What are you referring to regarding the Baltic states?	Jul 28 19:34
MinceR	that russia communicated that they're investigating the legality of the secession of Estonia, Latvia and Lithuania from the USSR	Jul 28 19:35
MinceR	which means he wants to annex them as well	Jul 28 19:36
MinceR	and i suspect he also wants Poland	Jul 28 19:36
msb_	MinceR: This site contains lots of good evidence for chemtrails aka geoengineering: http://www.geoengineeringwatch.org/	Jul 28 19:36
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.geoengineeringwatch.org \| Geoengineering Watch \| Exposing the climate engineering/geoengineering cover-up		Jul 28 19:36
MinceR	your "alternative news sources" are repeaters of putin's propaganda, and you defined them by that act	Jul 28 19:36
msb_	MinceR: Here is a recent talk by the same investigator: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zXkVGxLmlAA	Jul 28 19:37
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.youtube.com \| Geoengineering Exposed At California Jam 2015 - YouTube [ http://ur1.ca/n9toj ]		Jul 28 19:37
MinceR	but i guess the West can just keep appeasing putler by giving him further areas, that worked so well with hitler!	Jul 28 19:37
MinceR	it certainly did not lead to the second world war	Jul 28 19:37
msb_	MinceR: I have never heard of what you wrote about Estonia, Latvia Lithuania and Poland, and certainly have never written about it.	Jul 28 19:39
MinceR	of course, your "alternative news sources" would never mention it	Jul 28 19:40
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msb_	MinceR: Here are five alternative news sources that I recommend, that have no connection whatsoever with Russia or Putin. Since they all disagree with you, MinceR, it's obvious that your claims, and your obsession with Putin, need rethinking.	Jul 28 19:57
msb_	Global Research http://www.globalresearch.ca/	Jul 28 19:57
msb_	Op-Ed News http://www.opednews.com/	Jul 28 19:57
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.globalresearch.ca \| Global Research - Centre for Research on Globalization		Jul 28 19:57
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.opednews.com \| Opednews.com Progressive, Liberal United States and International News, Opinion, Op-Eds and Politics		Jul 28 19:57
msb_	Truth-Out http://www.truth-out.org/	Jul 28 19:57
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.truth-out.org \| Truthout \| Fearless, Independent News and Opinion		Jul 28 19:57
msb_	Free Critical Thinking http://freecriticalthinking.org/	Jul 28 19:57
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-freecriticalthinking.org \| Home		Jul 28 19:57
msb_	Paul Craig Roberts http://www.paulcraigroberts.org/	Jul 28 19:57
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.paulcraigroberts.org \| Paul Craig Roberts - Official Homepage		Jul 28 19:57
msb_	MinceR: BTW, what motivated your attack on me today?	Jul 28 19:58
MinceR	your response to a link i pasted in which you basically ignored the contents of the article.	Jul 28 19:59
msb_	MinceR: Here are two more excellent non-Russian alternative news sites that disagree with you:	Jul 28 20:03
msb_	Common Dreams http://www.commondreams.org/	Jul 28 20:03
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.commondreams.org \| Common Dreams \| Breaking News & Views for the Progressive Community		Jul 28 20:03
msb_	TomDispatch http://www.tomdispatch.com/	Jul 28 20:03
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tomdispatch.com \| TomDispatch		Jul 28 20:03
MinceR	how often do these "news sites" repeat the garbage that comes out of RT?	Jul 28 20:03
MinceR	apparently global"research".ca does	Jul 28 20:04
MinceR	North Korea, a Land of Human Achievement, Love and Joy	Jul 28 20:04
MinceR	—Everything you need to know about Globalresearch in a nutshell	Jul 28 20:04
msb_	MinceR: Are you talking about your link to a fascist website, breitbart, that attacked people who criticize video games and movies for constantly showing rapes and murders of women?	Jul 28 20:05
MinceR	yes, i'm talking about a link to an article you did not read	Jul 28 20:06
MinceR	http://www.cnx-software.com/2015/07/27/new-fcc-rules-may-prevent-installing-openwrt-on-wifi-routers/	Jul 28 20:06
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.cnx-software.com \| New FCC Rules May Prevent Installing OpenWRT on WiFi Routers [ http://ur1.ca/nachk ]		Jul 28 20:06
msb_	MinceR: If that's the article you're talking about, I did read it.	Jul 28 20:06
MinceR	good thing north korea isn't "fascist", right?	Jul 28 20:08
msb_	MinceR: Are you claiming that I have written something positive about North Korea? (I may have mentioned that the US govt murdered 30% of its population in the Korean War.)	Jul 28 20:10
msb_	MinceR: But I gave information about breitbart and SJWs that that fascist website omitted.	Jul 28 20:12
MinceR	you're obviously infatuated with marxist ideology, which north korea applies to the fullest extent	Jul 28 20:13
MinceR	it's also probably the worst dictatorship on the planet, and you obviously love dictatorships	Jul 28 20:13
msb_	MinceR: You are lying about me again. I have said that I favor entirely democratic socialism, NOT a dictatorship by a central communist party. And NOT -- you are lying again MinceR -- dictatorships of any kind.	Jul 28 20:14
MinceR	and yet the countries, regimes and dictators you keep raving about are about as far from democratic as possible	Jul 28 20:15
MinceR	i wouldn't worry if i were you though	Jul 28 20:16
MinceR	the way things are going, it won't be long until the entire earth is covered in regimes like north korea	Jul 28 20:16
MinceR	including the usa	Jul 28 20:16
MinceR	humans apparently hate their freedom and will do anything to get rid of it	Jul 28 20:16
msb_	MinceR: What "countries, regimes and dictators" do you claim I am "raving about"? Please give ACTUAL QUOTES from what I have written, NOT your imaginings.	Jul 28 20:16
MinceR	russia, north korea, venezuela	Jul 28 20:17
MinceR	and no, i'm not going to waste my time on searching my logs from the garbage you posted	Jul 28 20:17
MinceR	s/from/for/	Jul 28 20:17
msb_	MinceR: In other words, you refuse to give any evidence to support your lies about me.	Jul 28 20:18
msb_	MinceR: You are wrong about humans and freedom. Humans want to have food to eat and a place to live; those are our highest priorities. But we also desire freedom, unless we have been lied to so much, e.g., by the US govt, that we support operations that are taking away our freedom.	Jul 28 20:21
MinceR	humans would want that, if they were rational at all	Jul 28 20:21
MinceR	yet here we are, in systems that are (or were) democratic enough to show the preferences of the citizens	Jul 28 20:21
MinceR	with pretty strong evidence that they wanted to lose their freedom and prosperity	Jul 28 20:22
MinceR	and here we have you, advertising the rebuild of imperial russia and the (repeated) destruction of the eastern bloc	Jul 28 20:22
MinceR	(granted, you seem to be easily misled by the symbols people and groups use to refer to themselves)	Jul 28 20:23
MinceR	(like the mostly false distinction between state socialism and fascism/national socialism)	Jul 28 20:23
msb_	MinceR: The US govt has created several Islamic terror organizations, perpetrated the 911 attacks, and by setting up a Nazi govt in Ukraine has motivated Russia to annex the eastern edge of Ukraine at the request of its citizens. The US govt has done all this to frighten its own population into accepting the govt's attacks on other nations, which have murdered millions.	Jul 28 20:26
MinceR	...which makes putin a saint, how?	Jul 28 20:26
balrog	msb_: can you stop pushing your propaganda here?	Jul 28 20:26
balrog	first of all, that's extremely offensive; second, it doesn't belong in #TECHrights	Jul 28 20:27
MinceR	the government of the USA does horrible things, but this doesn't make them worse than russia or north korea.	Jul 28 20:27
MinceR	also, what balrog said.	Jul 28 20:27
msb_	balrog: I am answering attacks on me by MinceR, which came out of the blue. Perhaps you would ask him to stop posting attacks on me?	Jul 28 20:27
MinceR	yeah, it started when he kicked back!	Jul 28 20:28
msb_	balrog: And why don't you object to MinceR posting political material here?	Jul 28 20:28
balrog	well, I do keep these things called exhaustive logs	Jul 28 20:28
msb_	Yes, so do I.	Jul 28 20:28
MinceR	also, the world was created last thursday, and there's no history before then, obviously	Jul 28 20:28
msb_	balrog: What do logs have to do with this?	Jul 28 20:29
MinceR	and if msb_ could have been bothered to read the article he commented on, he would have noticed that it touches largely on the matter of video games	Jul 28 20:29
balrog	I did see MinceR's link to Breitbart about "SJWs" (which msb_'s response was fairly accurate to)	Jul 28 20:29
MinceR	which is pretty tech	Jul 28 20:29
balrog	(sorry MinceR I've been following this for a while)	Jul 28 20:29
msb_	balrog: And why don't you object to MinceR pushing HIS propaganda here. Is it because you agree with him?	Jul 28 20:29
balrog	but then it degenerated	Jul 28 20:30
balrog	due to both of you	Jul 28 20:30
MinceR	as for the sjw issue, it seems to me that most people on both sides haven't researched the original claim the whole issue was about	Jul 28 20:31
MinceR	and just picked up a label and started attacking the other team	Jul 28 20:31
balrog	MinceR: have you???	Jul 28 20:31
MinceR	which probably does more harm than good	Jul 28 20:31
balrog	msb_: at this point, the initial argument is a moot point.	Jul 28 20:31
MinceR	balrog: i've looked into it	Jul 28 20:31
balrog	what was the "original claim the whole issue was about"?	Jul 28 20:31
MinceR	balrog: i decided that there are suspicious arguments on both sides and i can't really verify either	Jul 28 20:31
MinceR	iirc it was that thing about that journalist allegedly providing positive reviews about a game in exchange for sex	Jul 28 20:32
msb_	balrog: This is the original attack post by MinceR that started this discussion: "<MinceR> to msb_, the world is black and white, and the Holy Trinity of putin, kim jong-un and xi jinping will save us all in a Holy Global Dictatorship"	Jul 28 20:33
MinceR	yeah, there was no history before then	Jul 28 20:33
msb_	balrog: Note that MinceR's attack has nothing to do with breitbart and SJWs. He seems to be obsessed with me, and anything I write sets him off.	Jul 28 20:34
MinceR	i noticed an underlying theme	Jul 28 20:34
balrog	I see plenty of anti-US stuff from you yesterday	Jul 28 20:35
balrog	as well as ##conspiracy stuff	Jul 28 20:35
msb_	balrog: If you are talking about me, please give some quotes so I can search for what you are referring to.	Jul 28 20:39
balrog	two days ago: "There is a flap going on on some of my mailing lists about a (relatively) new cure for cancer and autism, banned by the US govt, and doctors who used it being killed!"	Jul 28 20:39
balrog	that tells me more about your mailing lists than what actually is happening	Jul 28 20:40
balrog	;-)	Jul 28 20:40
MinceR	:>	Jul 28 20:40
balrog	err three days ago	Jul 28 20:40
msb_	Did you look at the reference(s) I gave?	Jul 28 20:40
MinceR	stuff that cures everything should be suspect from the get go	Jul 28 20:41
balrog	when the reference you gave has a headline saying "2 MIN NEWS TO ABOLISH THE CORPORATE GOVERNMENT "Because every dark cloud has a silver IODIDE lining", BECA– USE THERE IS A WAR ON FOR YOUR MIND,Your Mind is Your Weapon" ...	Jul 28 20:41
balrog	....lol	Jul 28 20:41
MinceR	lol	Jul 28 20:41
abeNd-org	awww, that cure-all developed by the n.koreans isnt real?	Jul 28 20:41
balrog	sorry but not sorry	Jul 28 20:41
MinceR	it isn't unless it's death	Jul 28 20:41
MinceR	technically most afflictions end with death	Jul 28 20:42
msb_	balrog: The "dark cloud" quote you are giving from a site that you say I linked to, is _metaphor_. Do you object to that?	Jul 28 20:43
balrog	I object to relying on a site full of that kind of crap	Jul 28 20:44
msb_	Here is a recent and very detailed article about the cancer cure. Note that it works by activating the immune system (specifically macrophages), so it's reasonable that it may help in many different kinds of disease.	Jul 28 20:45
msb_	http://www.naturalnews.com/050553_Dr_Bradstreet_GcMAF_cancer_therapy.html	Jul 28 20:45
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.naturalnews.com \| INVESTIGATION: Three days before Dr. Bradstreet was found dead in a river, U.S. govt. agents raided his research facility to seize a breakthrough cancer treatment called GcMAF - NaturalNews.com [ http://ur1.ca/nacu4 ]		Jul 28 20:45
balrog	http://www.washingtonpost.com/news/morning-mix/wp/2015/07/16/the-mysterious-death-of-a-doctor-who-peddled-autism-cures-to-thousands/	Jul 28 20:46
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.washingtonpost.com \| The mysterious death of a doctor who peddled autism ‘cures’ to thousands - The Washington Post [ http://ur1.ca/nacue ]		Jul 28 20:46
msb_	balrog: If you consider metaphor to be "that kind of crap", then I suggest you attempt to enhance your understanding of language.	Jul 28 20:47
msb_	balrog: Dr Bradstreet (before he was murdered) and others who were using GcMAF for autism claimed substantial success. But the WaPo article you link to uses the word "peddled" and puts quotes around the word "cured" which implies that his cures were fakes.	Jul 28 20:54
MinceR	were his cures proven in proper double blind clinical testing?	Jul 28 20:54
balrog	is there evidence to substantiate his claims that are not from him or people affiliated with him?	Jul 28 20:54
MinceR	also, how does an "activated" immune system defeat autism?	Jul 28 20:55
msb_	balrog: If you have not yet realized that the US corporate media tells LIES to support the US govt and corporations, I suggest that you compare articles from the corporate media with ones from the seven alternative news sites I gave, and that you use critical thinking to decide who is lying and who is telling the truth.	Jul 28 20:56
MinceR	good thing no other government or corporate media ever tells lies	Jul 28 20:56
MinceR	oh wait	Jul 28 20:56
msb_	I have no idea how an activated immune system defeats autism (claimed in most cases, not all). Unless the autism is being caused by an as yet unisolated virus.	Jul 28 20:57
msb_	MinceR: Of course some other govts and corp media lie.	Jul 28 20:58
msb_	balrog: You may be aware that viruses that have not been isolated, and for which, e.g., fluorescent-tagged antibodies have not been produced, are extremely difficult to detect. They just look like small particles under the electron microscope, undifferentiated from a myriad of other small particles.	Jul 28 21:01
balrog	msb_: can you stop treating me like an idiot?	Jul 28 21:01
msb_	balrog: How have I done that?	Jul 28 21:02
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msb_	balrog: I don't know how much you know about viruses. So if I gave information which you already know, I was not "treating [you] like an idiot".	Jul 28 21:06
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MinceR	http://www.commitstrip.com/en/2015/07/28/betting-on-the-right-horse/	Jul 28 22:04
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.commitstrip.com \| Betting on the right horse \| CommitStrip - Blog relating the daily life of web agencies developers [ http://ur1.ca/nadi7 ]		Jul 28 22:04
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Open Source Is Going Even More Open—Because It	Jul 28 22:08
TweetTuxMachines	Has To http://t.co/mjQ6mYmPMR	Jul 28 22:08
TweetTuxMachines	(www.tuxmachines.org)	Jul 28 22:08
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/nadj6	Jul 28 22:08
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org \| Open Source Is Going Even More Open—Because It Has To \| Tux Machines		Jul 28 22:08
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Student researchers collaborate virtually with	Jul 28 22:08
TweetTuxMachines	help of open-source software	Jul 28 22:08
TweetTuxMachines	http://t.co/HhQZSRY3tJ (www.tuxmachines.org)	Jul 28 22:08
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/nadja	Jul 28 22:08
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org \| Student researchers collaborate virtually with help of open-source software \| Tux Machines		Jul 28 22:08
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Move over Skype, Facetime, Hangouts. Here comes	Jul 28 22:09
TweetTuxMachines	Spreedbox, a fully open source, secure	Jul 28 22:09
TweetTuxMachines	videoconferencing solution	Jul 28 22:09
TweetTuxMachines	http://t.co/lhOQMAnA7U (www.tuxmachines.org)	Jul 28 22:09
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/nadjb	Jul 28 22:09
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org \| Move over Skype, Facetime, Hangouts. Here comes Spreedbox, a fully open source, secure videoconferencing solution \| Tux Machines		Jul 28 22:09
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Canonical Closes QEMU Vulnerabilities in Ubuntu	Jul 28 22:09
TweetTuxMachines	15.04 and Ubuntu 14.04 LTS	Jul 28 22:09
TweetTuxMachines	http://t.co/h8ROCwk1Gj (www.tuxmachines.org)	Jul 28 22:09
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/nadjc	Jul 28 22:09
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schestowitz	MinceR: This is what it's like for developers to bet on the microsoft horse these days	Jul 28 22:25
schestowitz	LOL, Vista 10	Jul 28 22:25
schestowitz	What a shitty OS	Jul 28 22:25
MinceR	indeed	Jul 28 22:25
MinceR	with the mandatory "updates", it's a botnet now	Jul 28 22:25
schestowitz	New techrights page: Vista 10 Reality Log http://techrights.org/wiki/index.php/Vista_10_Reality_Log	Jul 28 22:25
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org \| Vista 10 Reality Log - Techrights [ http://ur1.ca/nadnk ]		Jul 28 22:25
MinceR	:)	Jul 28 22:26
schestowitz	and spyware all the time	Jul 28 22:26
schestowitz	even when playing solitaire	Jul 28 22:26
schestowitz	because ms needs to target ads	Jul 28 22:26
schestowitz	the page above was set up today	Jul 28 22:26
schestowitz	just in time for the "Ow"	Jul 28 22:26
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schestowitz	maybe it'll be the last of windows, in this form...	Jul 28 22:29
schestowitz	Chrome OS is very thin	Jul 28 22:29
schestowitz	mostly services (browser) platform	Jul 28 22:29
MinceR	because all future releases will be forced "updates"? :>	Jul 28 22:29
schestowitz	maybe MS will innov^H that	Jul 28 22:29
schestowitz	MinceR: that too is possible	Jul 28 22:30
MinceR	then again, if the alliance of fascists want to push the logical conclusion to uefi, there will be locked down appliances instead	Jul 28 22:30
schestowitz	rolling Windows	Jul 28 22:30
schestowitz	like Android on Nexus devices in particular	Jul 28 22:30
MinceR	so you can use the Cloud	Jul 28 22:30
schestowitz	and 'free' upgrade	Jul 28 22:30
MinceR	while being closely monitored by governments	Jul 28 22:30
schestowitz	but that's another discussion altogethe	Jul 28 22:30
MinceR	and the corporations that own the governments	Jul 28 22:30
schestowitz	Who would want MS Windows? Only those too cowardly to try something else	Jul 28 22:31
MinceR	(either directly or via the appliances used by the governments)	Jul 28 22:31
schestowitz	another question, how will MS make money? Will services be enough? Doubt it...	Jul 28 22:31
MinceR	they'll give the governments offers they can't refuse	Jul 28 22:31
MinceR	maybe a literal m$ tax	Jul 28 22:31
schestowitz	Google is exploring new antifeaturie	Jul 28 22:31
schestowitz	!google android m secure boot	Jul 28 22:31
TechrightsBot-tr	[1] - [Solved] Help: "Secure Boot error"… \| LG G3 \| XDA Forums - XDA ... \| http://forum.xda-developers.com/lg-g3/help/help-secure-boot-error-trying-to-boot-t3054977	Jul 28 22:31
TechrightsBot-tr	[2] - Verifying Boot \| Android Open Source Project \| https://source.android.com/devices/tech/security/verifiedboot/verified-boot.html	Jul 28 22:31
TechrightsBot-tr	[3] - Verified Boot \| Android Open Source Project \| https://source.android.com/devices/tech/security/verifiedboot/index.html	Jul 28 22:31
TechrightsBot-tr	[4] - What is Microsoft Secure Boot? Webopedia \| http://www.webopedia.com/TERM/M/microsoft_secure_boot.html	Jul 28 22:31
schestowitz	saw that today for the first time	Jul 28 22:31
MinceR	or people will play monthly rent on the appliances they use	Jul 28 22:31
MinceR	(and can't own)	Jul 28 22:31
schestowitz	they tried that	Jul 28 22:32
schestowitz	sort of	Jul 28 22:32
schestowitz	years ago	Jul 28 22:32
MinceR	they'll try it over and over until it sticks	Jul 28 22:32
schestowitz	!google mary jo foley microsoft rent windows	Jul 28 22:32
TechrightsBot-tr	[1] - Will Windows 10 Become a Subscription Model? -- Redmondmag.com \| https://redmondmag.com/articles/2015/04/01/subscription-model.aspx	Jul 28 22:32
TechrightsBot-tr	[2] - All About Microsoft \| ZDNet \| http://www.zdnet.com/blog/microsoft/	Jul 28 22:32
TechrightsBot-tr	[3] - Microsoft's 'Mohoro' Windows-as-a-service released as a public ... \| http://www.zdnet.com/article/microsofts-mohoro-windows-as-a-service-released-as-a-public-preview/	Jul 28 22:32
TechrightsBot-tr	[4] - How much does Microsoft make from PC makers with Windows 8.1 ... \| http://www.zdnet.com/article/how-much-does-microsoft-make-from-pc-makers-with-windows-8-1/	Jul 28 22:32
schestowitz	see [1]	Jul 28 22:32
schestowitz	oh, wait...	Jul 28 22:32
MinceR	just like SOPA, TTIP, Palladium	Jul 28 22:32
schestowitz	no, there was an older one	Jul 28 22:32
schestowitz	maybe none of the above	Jul 28 22:32
schestowitz	anyway, Linux devalues Windows	Jul 28 22:32
schestowitz	Google Apps and others do that to Office	Jul 28 22:33
MinceR	windows devalues itself	Jul 28 22:33
schestowitz	so MS is losing money, the cash cows won't last, and some other divisions lose money	Jul 28 22:33
schestowitz	their big feeders are UK and US gov.	Jul 28 22:33
schestowitz	maybe all those high GDP countries that sign secret deals	Jul 28 22:33
schestowitz	MS just got 30m from Bulgaria	Jul 28 22:33
schestowitz	but it's not astronoical amounts	Jul 28 22:33
schestowitz	it gets BILLIONS from UK gov, NHS, etc.	Jul 28 22:34
schestowitz	Cut that rope and Microsoft will fall	Jul 28 22:34
schestowitz	ODF is helping	Jul 28 22:34
MinceR	i wonder how much blackmail material m$ has on the governments	Jul 28 22:34
schestowitz	Today I was delighted to see that nationalarchives gov uk only uses PDF and ODF - no vendor lockin	Jul 28 22:34
schestowitz	BTW, could use some help	Jul 28 22:34
schestowitz	the national archive (NA) won't always work for me	Jul 28 22:34
schestowitz	I am trying to set it up such that it'll redirect from 404	Jul 28 22:35
schestowitz	but it works only randomly	Jul 28 22:35
schestowitz	which is strange	Jul 28 22:35
schestowitz	sometimes works, sometimes doesn't, URL stays the same	Jul 28 22:35
schestowitz	Drupal, cache, NA	Jul 28 22:35
schestowitz	Hard to debug where it's failing	Jul 28 22:36
schestowitz	[22:34] <MinceR> i wonder how much blackmail material m$ has on the governments	Jul 28 22:36
schestowitz	it's counterproductive when they blow the whistle	Jul 28 22:36
schestowitz	so it's becoming a risk	Jul 28 22:36
schestowitz	!google microsoft blackmail uk	Jul 28 22:36
TechrightsBot-tr	[1] - Microsoft accused of blackmailing UK government \| ITProPortal.com \| http://www.itproportal.com/2015/05/25/microsoft-accused-blackmailing-uk-government/	Jul 28 22:36
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schestowitz	this isn't helping them getting the next contract	Jul 28 22:36
schestowitz	(if revealed to the public)	Jul 28 22:37
schestowitz	!google microsoft bribes probe	Jul 28 22:37
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MinceR	they'll just pay more in bribes	Jul 28 22:37
schestowitz	there was never a followup on that	Jul 28 22:37
schestowitz	so I joke, maybe they bribe those who probed	Jul 28 22:37
MinceR	or get in via the back door and change the memo that say not to give m$ the next contract	Jul 28 22:37
schestowitz	risk/benefit matter	Jul 28 22:38
schestowitz	make it easier, with FOSS, to blow the whistle	Jul 28 22:38
schestowitz	and then people like Mark Ballard in the UK will come out with damning reports	Jul 28 22:38
schestowitz	that pressure the idiots in Newham, London	Jul 28 22:38
schestowitz	he did that some years ago, it does embarrass them	Jul 28 22:38
schestowitz	make an environment where rather than people are afraid to blow the whistle or privately speak to journalists it's the corporations feeling tooo fearful to bribe, blackmail	Jul 28 22:39
schestowitz	and then they rethink that	Jul 28 22:40
msb_	Maybe a near-future strategy will be to point out that Linux is so messed up and unreliable (which it may be in a year or so, from systemd, app-churn, etc) that Windows is just as good.	Jul 28 22:58
MinceR	and simultaneously revoke redhat's and canonical's bootloader stub certificates	Jul 28 22:59
msb_	If that requires collusion among psychopaths in MS, RedHat and the govt, well, I think full-blown psychopaths have no empathy for people, and have learned to cooperate with each other. So to them it's just them vs us. And they have the power.	Jul 28 23:01
msb_	Think of them as insectoids from Star Trek. Totally alien.	Jul 28 23:02
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MinceR	no, that doesn't require collusion	Jul 28 23:07
MinceR	it only requires m$ to be its usual fascistic self and redhat to be greedy and shortsighted, which they are	Jul 28 23:08
MinceR	(same for canonical)	Jul 28 23:08
MinceR	and it would be nice to think of them as alien, but all these things are very human	Jul 28 23:08
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msb_	Let's introduce the terms "humane" and "inhumane".	Jul 28 23:38
msb_	Psychopaths have human hardware, but inhumane software.	Jul 28 23:38
msb_	Normal people have human hardware and humane software.	Jul 28 23:38
MinceR	i think "humane"/"inhumane" are misleading	Jul 28 23:38
MinceR	humans have proven countless times that they are capable of a lot of evil	Jul 28 23:39
msb_	humane, adj: marked or motivated by concern with the alleviation of suffering; showing evidence of moral and intellectual advancement	Jul 28 23:40
msb_	MinceR: You are right. Organisms with human hardware are capable of murderous evil.	Jul 28 23:41
msb_	But that is the result of inhumane software.	Jul 28 23:41
MinceR	i think "humane"/"inhumane" are misleading because they imply that humans are wired to be good	Jul 28 23:41
msb_	If treated with love and kindness in childhood, we do turn out good.	Jul 28 23:42
MinceR	then it seems love and kindness is rare indeed in childhood	Jul 28 23:43
MinceR	even the other kids tend to be horrible	Jul 28 23:43
msb_	Jean Liedloff, author of _The Continuum Concept_, found technologically primitive people who were very kind to their children, and their children all grew up to be kind.	Jul 28 23:44
MinceR	Steven Pinker's findings in The Blank Slate and The Better Angels of Our Nature seem to make the point that humans need advanced civilization in order to be good	Jul 28 23:46
msb_	The problem is, once inhumane behavior is triggered by some kind of extreme stress, it tends to stay with the person, and they pass it on to their children by being harsh to them.	Jul 28 23:46
msb_	We need to have comfort and good nutrition.	Jul 28 23:46
MinceR	we also need to strive to be civilized people	Jul 28 23:47
MinceR	and we need to stop promoting successful crime as an admirable thing	Jul 28 23:47
msb_	But advanced civ is certainly not _sufficient_, as can be seen by the large proportion of inhumane people (as you point out).	Jul 28 23:47
MinceR	pursuit of money must cease to be the greatest, most important goal	Jul 28 23:47
MinceR	also, the tendency to regress must be stopped	Jul 28 23:48
msb_	All true. But the core of the personality is formed in infancy, in reaction to the way the infant is treated.	Jul 28 23:48
MinceR	humanity needs to stop eroding human rights and democracy	Jul 28 23:48
MinceR	yeah, older kids need to stop teaching the younger kids to be evil and nasty	Jul 28 23:49
msb_	Yes, all true. But once an infant has been emotionally abused, they develop a core of fear and anger, which is then susceptible to all the things you mention, and it's very difficult to dissolve.	Jul 28 23:50
msb_	Prolonged therapy with gentle psychedelics, and exposure to humane people, music and movies, may dissolve the core of anger and fear at the center of the personality.	Jul 28 23:53
msb_	I just mean cannabis -- nothing drastic.	Jul 28 23:54
MinceR	yes, that might work	Jul 28 23:54
MinceR	gradually	Jul 28 23:54
MinceR	make every generation better than the preceding one	Jul 28 23:54
msb_	In the 1960s it _did_ work!	Jul 28 23:54
msb_	In just a few years!	Jul 28 23:55
MinceR	it didn't stick, though	Jul 28 23:56
msb_	It was destroyed by the psychopath rulers. Cannabis sale punished as if it were murder. Kent State shootings. Murder of John Lennon.	Jul 28 23:57
msb_	The rulers knew what was going on. It was talked about in the "underground newspapers".	Jul 28 23:58
MinceR	the people who grow up to be rulers must also improve	Jul 28 23:58
msb_	The audience stood up and cheered when I talked about it from the audience at some talk on cannabis.	Jul 28 23:59
msb_	That would be great. I think the son of one of the big tobacco families ended up speaking out against tobacco. But that's rare.	Jul 29 00:00
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msb_	With the Net, and access to the old music in youtube, and medical marijuana, a widespread movement among ordinary people should be possible. I've outlined a first attempt here: http://cosmicpenguin.com/CauseAndCure.html	Jul 29 00:05
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msb_	There are also non-corporate ways to share music, if youtube takes it all down.	Jul 29 00:06
MinceR	http://thenextweb.com/gadgets/2015/07/28/robbed-in-60-seconds/	Jul 29 00:11
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msb_	And with Windows, smashing one's fist into the keyboard is probably one of the first things people do!	Jul 29 00:14
MinceR	lol	Jul 29 00:16
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cubexyz	I find running windows programs less painful on wine	Jul 29 02:18
cubexyz	in a way, it's FOSS if I have the source for the programs I'm running (I wrote a few) and the source of wine is available	Jul 29 02:19
cubexyz	rule of source code	Jul 29 02:20
oiaohm	Its the sandboxing on wine that solves a lot of problems.	Jul 29 02:21
oiaohm	That windows users suffer from without knowing what it is.	Jul 29 02:21
cubexyz	I wish I had the source code for some of the old Loki games	Jul 29 02:21
oiaohm	The old loki games work if you add the right runtimes	Jul 29 02:21
cubexyz	HOMM3 crashes a fair bit	Jul 29 02:22
cubexyz	EUS works well	Jul 29 02:23
MinceR	UT and Unreal Gold worked mostly fine	Jul 29 02:23
cubexyz	I think some code may be available	Jul 29 02:25
oiaohm	cubexyz: some of those loki games were horible for crashing back in the day.	Jul 29 02:28
cubexyz	oiaohm, can you remember which ones?	Jul 29 02:28
cubexyz	RT2 and EUS are two that work well	Jul 29 02:29
cubexyz	the SMPEG libs, I think there's code available for that	Jul 29 02:30
cubexyz	Heretic 2 works well	Jul 29 02:30
oiaohm	cubexyz: http://www.gentoo-wiki.info/HOWTO_Running_Old_Loki_Games You are using this?	Jul 29 02:30
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oiaohm	cubexyz: Heavy Metal: FAKK2 the pak3 patch there was required back in the day.	Jul 29 02:31
cubexyz	I can't access the gentoo-wiki	Jul 29 02:32
cubexyz	trying the cache now	Jul 29 02:32
MinceR	nice resource, saved and bookmarked	Jul 29 02:32
cubexyz	oiaohm, I think I've seen some of that info before	Jul 29 02:33
cubexyz	looks interesting, thanks	Jul 29 02:33
oiaohm	MinceR: grab the runtime file as well.	Jul 29 02:33
oiaohm	cubexyz: I have a true simcity 3000	Jul 29 02:33
MinceR	thanks for the tip	Jul 29 02:34
oiaohm	Yes that patch for it was required when that game was new.	Jul 29 02:34
cubexyz	and if anyone has source, I won't ask any questions :)	Jul 29 02:34
oiaohm	Loki games were not the best quality.	Jul 29 02:34
cubexyz	oiaohm, I'd say it was a mixed bag	Jul 29 02:34
cubexyz	some were quite good, others not so much	Jul 29 02:34
cubexyz	I tried "export LD_ASSUME_KERNEL=2.2.5" but it didn't seem to help	Jul 29 02:36
oiaohm	You need a lot of of those odd librarys	Jul 29 02:36
oiaohm	For the hard applications.	Jul 29 02:36
oiaohm	mostly depending on features that were not to spec.	Jul 29 02:36
oiaohm	And turned out to be secuirty faults.	Jul 29 02:36
oiaohm	is what breaks a lot of those old loki games.	Jul 29 02:37
cubexyz	I had a devil of a time getting network stuff to work on RT2	Jul 29 02:38
cubexyz	but now I can't find anyone who plays it	Jul 29 02:39
oiaohm	I guess you did not have the gentoo instructions.	Jul 29 02:39
cubexyz	I can add a few more remarks	Jul 29 02:40
cubexyz	http://www.maxhost.org/other/rt2-notes.txt	Jul 29 02:40
cubexyz	never had any contact with the loki devs	Jul 29 02:43
cubexyz	the gentoo wiki goes into more detail	Jul 29 02:45
oiaohm	The fun part is it gentoo instruction page but the libraries used are debian.	Jul 29 02:45
MinceR	ah, the good old days when debian wasn't yet another attempt to reimplement windows	Jul 29 02:46
cubexyz	Heretic II might have been the one to get it's code released	Jul 29 02:46
cubexyz	I think the Debian issues will eventually sort themselves out	Jul 29 02:47
cubexyz	there's enough developers who are unhappy with the way things are going	Jul 29 02:48
oiaohm	Really Debian when ever there has been major changes developers of it get uphappy.	Jul 29 02:48
cubexyz	I think Heretic II was indeed open sourced	Jul 29 02:49
oiaohm	I would not say debian developers are exactly majorally unhappy with direction.	Jul 29 02:49
oiaohm	Unhappy with the bugs.	Jul 29 02:49
MinceR	the bugs follow from their idiotic decision	Jul 29 02:50
MinceR	and people who know better told them this is going to happen	Jul 29 02:50
oiaohm	MinceR: you were not around when debian implemented there parall starting sysvinit.	Jul 29 02:50
oiaohm	The number of issues systemd has caused is way less.	Jul 29 02:51
MinceR	"must boot faster"	Jul 29 02:51
oiaohm	Parallel boot process was done when a 4096 core system was taking 2 days to boot MinceR	Jul 29 02:52
cubexyz	oiaohm, backward compatiblility is possible	Jul 29 02:53
oiaohm	Basically there is a point where "must boot faster" is truly the case.	Jul 29 02:53
MinceR	and believing that everyone's use case is the same leads to stuff like insisting on multiseat support on a server	Jul 29 02:53
cubexyz	quasijarus' tcp/ip programs still work	Jul 29 02:53
MinceR	cubexyz: but they aren't shiny and "modern" enough! :>	Jul 29 02:53
oiaohm	MinceR: systemd it is possible to disable multi-seat mode.	Jul 29 02:54
oiaohm	Just no one is putting the defaults in.	Jul 29 02:54
oiaohm	Also you have to remember doing multi seat before systemd was custom hacking.	Jul 29 02:54
MinceR	and that custom hacking was more reliable than giving poettering and sievers the wheel	Jul 29 02:55
oiaohm	MinceR: please not claim crap.	Jul 29 02:55
cubexyz	yikes, that breaks xrandr	Jul 29 02:55
oiaohm	I have used the custom hacked up X11 multi seat.	Jul 29 02:55
MinceR	then don't talk about crap :>	Jul 29 02:55
oiaohm	MinceR: you think multi-seat on server causes headaches.	Jul 29 02:55
MinceR	i never had a config that needed that hack, or systemd	Jul 29 02:55
cubexyz	do I null out LD_PRELOAD?	Jul 29 02:55
oiaohm	At least the systemd one in fact has debugging.	Jul 29 02:55
MinceR	oiaohm: i _know_ systemd fucks up servers	Jul 29 02:55
oiaohm	MinceR: I run systemd on servers.	Jul 29 02:56
MinceR	i know people who are forced to try and run that shit on servers	Jul 29 02:56
oiaohm	I do have a list of settings.	Jul 29 02:56
MinceR	then again, it even fails on laptops	Jul 29 02:56
oiaohm	I have laptops running it as well.	Jul 29 02:56
MinceR	https://lists.debian.org/debian-user/2015/02/msg00013.html	Jul 29 02:56
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MinceR	this is what redcrap calls mature software	Jul 29 02:56
oiaohm	MinceR: that there is not systemd	Jul 29 02:57
oiaohm	That is network-manager	Jul 29 02:57
MinceR	that's poetteringware all the same	Jul 29 02:57
oiaohm	In fact using networkd from systemd is more dependable.	Jul 29 02:57
oiaohm	potering did not do network-manager	Jul 29 02:57
MinceR	that's like saying "this turd smells less than that turd"	Jul 29 02:58
MinceR	also, afaik networkmanager has nothing to do with mounting	Jul 29 02:58
MinceR	it's systemd's decision to wait for random shit unnecessarily	Jul 29 02:58
MinceR	(also to not wait for stuff you shouldn't interrupt, like fsck)	Jul 29 02:58
oiaohm	network-manager does have to do with mounting.	Jul 29 02:59
oiaohm	Cause was a lot of people putting auto mount network drives in fstab.	Jul 29 02:59
oiaohm	MinceR: a lot of systemd so called issues turn out to be very bad configurations that were being let side. Some could turn into security risks.	Jul 29 03:01
oiaohm	Like its not wise to be attempting to connect to network shares where ever.	Jul 29 03:01
MinceR	security risks, like a web server built into what's marketed as an "init system"?	Jul 29 03:01
MinceR	or an unnecessary dns cache that's vulnerable to cache poisoning?	Jul 29 03:02
oiaohm	dnscaches before systemd also have been vulnerable to cache poisoning	Jul 29 03:03
oiaohm	Yes it is possible to turn systemd dnscache off.	Jul 29 03:03
MinceR	yes, sometime in the past, and then it was fixed	Jul 29 03:03
MinceR	and then a bunch of retards on redcrap payroll tell us to throw all that out and use this shiny new shit they just hacked up	Jul 29 03:04
oiaohm	MinceR: 3 of the Linux competitors in dnscache on Linux had the same fault in 2015	Jul 29 03:04
MinceR	out of how many?	Jul 29 03:04
oiaohm	MinceR: out of 8	Jul 29 03:04
oiaohm	And one was the prior debian default.	Jul 29 03:05
MinceR	dns cache poisoning was so well known it was part of my university curriculum, years ago	Jul 29 03:05
oiaohm	Might have been well know but it been like openssl issues.	Jul 29 03:05
MinceR	so there were 5 good ones and now we have the wannabe Emperor of GNU/Linux forcefeeding us a broken one	Jul 29 03:05
oiaohm	Not checked for.	Jul 29 03:05
oiaohm	MinceR: 8 counting systemd one.	Jul 29 03:05
oiaohm	So 4 good 4 bad	Jul 29 03:05
MinceR	under the slogan of "diversity is evil"	Jul 29 03:06
oiaohm	Basically as good as odds as flipping a coin.,	Jul 29 03:06
MinceR	except you can look it up and decide	Jul 29 03:06
oiaohm	diversity is not the evil bit.	Jul 29 03:06
MinceR	instead of flipping a coin	Jul 29 03:06
MinceR	i know that	Jul 29 03:06
MinceR	but companies like crApple, m$ and redcrap keep spouting this propaganda	Jul 29 03:06
oiaohm	No they were only audited after systemd one was found witht he fault.	Jul 29 03:06
oiaohm	So before systemd dns cache was found with the issue no one checked.	Jul 29 03:07
MinceR	they can't stand having to compete with OS-es that don't suck nearly as much as theirs	Jul 29 03:07
oiaohm	How of systemd faults have turned to be miss configuration and cases that audit has not been done in other projects so the same fault was exposed anyhow is not funny.	Jul 29 03:08
MinceR	picking a project that actually has some notion of focus already gives you a chance of 4 out of 7	Jul 29 03:08
MinceR	you can be certain that the tumor project that has no concept of boundaries but tries to reimplement _everything_ won't have time for security fixes	Jul 29 03:09
MinceR	misconfiguration, like using google dns by default, without asking the user?	Jul 29 03:09
oiaohm	Problem is you were not around when debian did parallel boot the first time.	Jul 29 03:09
MinceR	yeah, maybe then i would have gone with slackware instead	Jul 29 03:10
oiaohm	slackware did it worse.	Jul 29 03:10
oiaohm	at the same time.	Jul 29 03:10
oiaohm	Debain has proven they will work it through.	Jul 29 03:10
MinceR	i thought they did not do it at all	Jul 29 03:10
MinceR	oh really.	Jul 29 03:10
oiaohm	MinceR: slackware did 8 beta releases of parrallel boot.	Jul 29 03:11
MinceR	they will work it through after making an authoritarianistic decision centrally, without thinking about it	Jul 29 03:11
oiaohm	Out of all those only 1 booted.	Jul 29 03:11
oiaohm	Then sucessuflly died by its self.	Jul 29 03:11
oiaohm	So the reason why slackware does not have parrellel boot is they failed todo it completely.	Jul 29 03:12
MinceR	boo hoo, they didn't do this shiny and pointless feature	Jul 29 03:12
cubexyz	ha, I think they axed LD_ASSUME_KERNEL	Jul 29 03:13
cubexyz	only works in FC1 era	Jul 29 03:13
oiaohm	MinceR: not having that feature is why slackware is no found on very large systems.	Jul 29 03:17
oiaohm	MinceR: You need to change what you are calling pointless.	Jul 29 03:18
oiaohm	MinceR: to does not suite you usage.	Jul 29 03:18
MinceR	will the use cases for poettering's desktop pc work on very large systems? i doubt it.	Jul 29 03:18
oiaohm	MinceR: I have a 1024 core system.	Jul 29 03:18
oiaohm	Yes systemd is happy on it.	Jul 29 03:18
MinceR	we'll see for how long it will be happy	Jul 29 03:19
cubexyz	what motherboard is that?	Jul 29 03:19
MinceR	oiaohm: is it exposed to the internet?	Jul 29 03:19
oiaohm	cubexyz: that not a motherboard. its Motherboards.	Jul 29 03:20
oiaohm	MinceR: its a private data processing server.	Jul 29 03:20
oiaohm	So yes no internet.	Jul 29 03:20
MinceR	then at least you won't have chinese and russians trying out all the newest systemd exploits on it	Jul 29 03:21
MinceR	oh, and the ISIL guys	Jul 29 03:21
oiaohm	Mind you its possible to do 4096 in a desktop size case. http://www.tomshardware.com/news/apateva-epiphany-4096-Core-multicore-threaded,15064.html	Jul 29 03:22
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oiaohm	MinceR: does not matter if you are running systemd or sysvinit you will have the same attackers after you ass.	Jul 29 03:24
oiaohm	And the third parties bit of software you add on sysvinit cause their own problems.	Jul 29 03:25
MinceR	but with systemd you'll have a system "designed" by people who have an undying love affair with complexity	Jul 29 03:25
MinceR	with complexity come bugs	Jul 29 03:25
MinceR	so with unnecessary extreme complexity come unnecessary extreme bugs	Jul 29 03:25
MinceR	also, systemd (unlike init systems it's sold as an alternative to) listens to network connections	Jul 29 03:25
oiaohm	Optional feature MinceR	Jul 29 03:26
MinceR	yeah, "optional", like journald	Jul 29 03:26
oiaohm	Nop	Jul 29 03:27
MinceR	in redcrapspeak, "optional" means "we haven't found a way to force it down your throat yet"	Jul 29 03:27
oiaohm	journald you tell it to pass threw not disable.	Jul 29 03:27
MinceR	remember, in their minds diversity is evil	Jul 29 03:27
MinceR	so yeah, you don't get to disable journald	Jul 29 03:27
oiaohm	listern on network connections part of systemd you can delete a program.	Jul 29 03:27
MinceR	you can have it mangle log lines before passing them to a reasonable syslogd	Jul 29 03:27
oiaohm	And then it still functions.	Jul 29 03:27
cubexyz	oiaohm, it's still picking up /lib/ld-linux.so.2	Jul 29 03:28
oiaohm	So the listens on network connections under systemd you can truly disable systemd.	Jul 29 03:28
cubexyz	how do I get it to load old ld-linux.so.2?	Jul 29 03:28
MinceR	i suppose eventually you'll be able to have journald pass every one of your log lines through a dbus interface to a proprietary blob, get back a transformed version (or nothing) from it, and then feed that to your syslogd	Jul 29 03:28
oiaohm	cubexyz: ld-linux.so.2 is a static binary.	Jul 29 03:29
oiaohm	cubexyz: its an application in its own right.	Jul 29 03:29
MinceR	and then you'll point to the redcrap brochure saying you have signed, certified logs	Jul 29 03:29
MinceR	when in fact you'll have garbage.	Jul 29 03:29
cubexyz	oiaohm, that's the dynamic linker/loader	Jul 29 03:30
cubexyz	I want it to load the old one	Jul 29 03:30
oiaohm	LD_LIBRARY_PATH=/path/Loki_Compat/ /path/Loki_Compat/ld-linux.so.2 /path/CivCTP/civctp.dynamic	Jul 29 03:34
oiaohm	cubexyz: Note that line	Jul 29 03:34
oiaohm	cubexyz: instead of running the executable first you run the old loader first. After the loader is loaded its done.	Jul 29 03:35
oiaohm	cubexyz: what the Linux kernel in fact does is like that.	Jul 29 03:35
oiaohm	MinceR: there is no requirement for blob and use journld ForwardToSyslog= and Storage=none set	Jul 29 03:36
oiaohm	MinceR: then its only transfer operation.	Jul 29 03:37
MinceR	and i'm sure you'll always have the time to audit the overgrown, cancerous mess that comes out of redcrap's gate	Jul 29 03:37
oiaohm	MinceR: why do I know these options.	Jul 29 03:38
oiaohm	Knowing these options you can rebuid without a huge stack of stuff.	Jul 29 03:38
oiaohm	So slimming systemd down a hell of a lot.	Jul 29 03:38
MinceR	i know better options where i can avoid the whole train wreck.	Jul 29 03:39
MinceR	just like i avoid winblows and OSuX on my systems	Jul 29 03:39
oiaohm	I have people say I know better optiosn but then they don't put them up.	Jul 29 03:39
oiaohm	For my solutions I have very limited options.	Jul 29 03:39
oiaohm	That do everything that I require.	Jul 29 03:39
MinceR	yeah, it sucks being pressured into using shitty tools	Jul 29 03:40
oiaohm	No	Jul 29 03:40
oiaohm	I am using the least shitty	Jul 29 03:40
MinceR	happened routinely in my work	Jul 29 03:40
oiaohm	openrc and systemd are vastely better than sysvinit	Jul 29 03:40
oiaohm	for what I do.	Jul 29 03:40
oiaohm	heck way better than upstart	Jul 29 03:40
MinceR	probably so's runit, sinit, epoch, minit, ...	Jul 29 03:41
oiaohm	No	Jul 29 03:41
oiaohm	I have tried all of thoese.	Jul 29 03:41
oiaohm	This is the problem I have been after a good functional init system for a long time.	Jul 29 03:41
oiaohm	I am sick that on solaris and bsd the init systems truly work and on Linux I have had broken crap.	Jul 29 03:41
MinceR	and you still have broken crap	Jul 29 03:42
oiaohm	systemd is closer.	Jul 29 03:42
MinceR	and this time it's more broken	Jul 29 03:42
oiaohm	to what it needs to be.	Jul 29 03:42
MinceR	but it has more features and it's more "modern" so it's got to be great!	Jul 29 03:42
oiaohm	Ok not ideal	Jul 29 03:42
oiaohm	No	Jul 29 03:42
oiaohm	BSD init system is 20+ years old and it works.	Jul 29 03:43
oiaohm	So its not about being more modern.	Jul 29 03:43
oiaohm	Its about being functional.,	Jul 29 03:43
MinceR	i'm sure there won't be any consequences to ignoring all principles of good software design for no reason	Jul 29 03:43
MinceR	sysvinit works too	Jul 29 03:43
oiaohm	No it does not.	Jul 29 03:43
oiaohm	sysvinit is broken on a Linux kernel.	Jul 29 03:43
oiaohm	Claim it works is putting you head in the sand.	Jul 29 03:44
oiaohm	sysvinit is design for a OS that only uses PID numbers once.	Jul 29 03:44
MinceR	then i must have implanted memories	Jul 29 03:44
MinceR	my life is a lie!	Jul 29 03:44
oiaohm	Linux kernel after long enough running recycles PID numbers.	Jul 29 03:44
MinceR	that takes a while	Jul 29 03:44
oiaohm	You never run Linux kernel long enough with enough processes change over to have it go south.	Jul 29 03:44
MinceR	and properly written daemons don't tend to keep falling over	Jul 29 03:44
oiaohm	1024 system can do that in 12 hours.	Jul 29 03:45
MinceR	so the pid files tend to remain usable	Jul 29 03:45
oiaohm	4096 can hit recyclcing in 3	Jul 29 03:45
MinceR	did we have 1024-core systems 20+ years ago?	Jul 29 03:45
oiaohm	My first 1024 core system was 2004	Jul 29 03:46
MinceR	so we have different goalposts for bsd init on bsd and for sysvinit on gnu/linux	Jul 29 03:46
oiaohm	This as been annoying me for over 10 years.	Jul 29 03:46
MinceR	i guess you've got to move the goal posts around to make systemd look good	Jul 29 03:46
MinceR	and it still won't look good	Jul 29 03:46
oiaohm	bsd init tracks by tty that are unique numbers.	Jul 29 03:47
MinceR	i know	Jul 29 03:47
oiaohm	I have not moved goal posts.	Jul 29 03:47
oiaohm	I have a list of features I need a init system todo.	Jul 29 03:47
MinceR	thing is, all these hypotheses about sysvinit assume that stuff breaks all the time; while the hypotheses about systemd assume that the shitty code pumped out by poettering and sievers never fails	Jul 29 03:47
MinceR	yes, i'm familiar with the checklist-based method of IT product choice	Jul 29 03:48
MinceR	it leads us to horrible, unusable pieces of junk like m$ office	Jul 29 03:48
MinceR	and overgrown tumors like systemd and windows	Jul 29 03:48
oiaohm	BSD init was based on checklist development.	Jul 29 03:48
oiaohm	Funny right.	Jul 29 03:48
MinceR	"who cares if it works, add these features and everyone will want one!"	Jul 29 03:48
oiaohm	Almost all of BSD development is based on checklists.	Jul 29 03:49
oiaohm	part of the reason why it so good.	Jul 29 03:49
MinceR	and yet BSD is a lot simpler than systemd	Jul 29 03:49
oiaohm	What is wrong with msoffice and systemd is no checklist.	Jul 29 03:49
oiaohm	Feature creap is evil.	Jul 29 03:49
oiaohm	Not have core features is also evil.	Jul 29 03:49
MinceR	i meant that the goal of "development" is to rack up a long list of stuff they can show off to potential customers, but nobody will actually use	Jul 29 03:49
oiaohm	Like using PID to track services that can never work.	Jul 29 03:49
MinceR	(and most of which won't work, since fixing bugs is not sexy enough to actually do)	Jul 29 03:50
MinceR	and yet it works almost all the time, somehow	Jul 29 03:50
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MinceR	how can it be?	Jul 29 03:50
oiaohm	My checklist is based on what I need. Not the featues I will not use.	Jul 29 03:50
oiaohm	like I turn off journald binary logging.	Jul 29 03:50
MinceR	m$'s and redcrap's checklist is based on what nobody implemented (because nobody needed them)	Jul 29 03:51
oiaohm	And send to central storage logging.	Jul 29 03:51
MinceR	even if you turn that off, every line of log passes through journald's digestive tract	Jul 29 03:51
oiaohm	And if it was not going though journald to prevent impersenation it would have to be going threw a different program that I used before journald.	Jul 29 03:52
MinceR	chances are that previous program was not a cancerous growth	Jul 29 03:53
oiaohm	0 It has more features than journald and they were still adding more.	Jul 29 03:53
MinceR	did it have more features than systemd (of which journald is a part)?	Jul 29 03:54
oiaohm	Basically it was 100 percent a cancerous growth.	Jul 29 03:54
MinceR	did it have no scope, like systemd?	Jul 29 03:54
oiaohm	MinceR: just for loging it has 8000 options.	Jul 29 03:54
oiaohm	MinceR: yes all the program did was log.	Jul 29 03:54
oiaohm	Journald looks horible but compared to some of the commerical horibles out there is nice.	Jul 29 03:55
cubexyz	ok... looks good	Jul 29 03:56
cubexyz	finally got a script that works	Jul 29 03:56
MinceR	on my laptop, the probability of a pidfile for a dead service matching an existing process is 0.0067138672	Jul 29 03:56
MinceR	less than 1%	Jul 29 03:56
MinceR	i'd take that over poettering's baroque monstrosity any day	Jul 29 03:56
cubexyz	by baroque you mean overly elaborate I assume?	Jul 29 03:57
MinceR	(and if it bothered me that much, i could add a check for the command line)	Jul 29 03:57
MinceR	cubexyz: indeed	Jul 29 03:57
oiaohm	MinceR: but for a person like me running bigger systems can you see why I need something openrc or systemd on Linux.	Jul 29 03:57
oiaohm	MinceR: what am building on a laptop need to be tested for larger deployments.	Jul 29 03:58
MinceR	no, i can't see why you would need systemd just because your system has more cores	Jul 29 03:58
oiaohm	The issue here is when you get more cores you burn through PID numbers faster.	Jul 29 03:58
oiaohm	So anything depending on PID being unique is screwed.	Jul 29 03:59
MinceR	how many services do you run from rc anyway?	Jul 29 03:59
MinceR	also, i forgot to mention that stuff like runit can exist fine on top of sysvinit	Jul 29 03:59
MinceR	just like SMF is started by a more traditional init	Jul 29 04:00
oiaohm	MinceR: systemd can run on top of sysvinit	Jul 29 04:00
MinceR	i don't think so	Jul 29 04:00
oiaohm	systemd does not need pid 1	Jul 29 04:00
MinceR	iirc there were checks for having PID 1 and running in a chroot	Jul 29 04:00
MinceR	there is some shim from debian or ubuntu though, that lets you run some parts of systemd without running the pid1 part	Jul 29 04:00
oiaohm	Yes systemd checks if it PID1 but it does not fail to run just because it not.	Jul 29 04:00
oiaohm	The debian shim was just systemd packaged mostly without the default install location	Jul 29 04:01
oiaohm	MinceR: systemd include the code to coexist. But no one gives up example systems doing that.	Jul 29 04:02
oiaohm	MinceR: reason I have done openrc as PID1 then sub run systemd for heart beat of service tracking.	Jul 29 04:03
MinceR	that's a bit like frankenstein's monster	Jul 29 04:04
oiaohm	It was simpler todo that than reboot a 1024 core system.	Jul 29 04:05
oiaohm	since someone had coded a service depending on systemd heart beat monitoring.	Jul 29 04:05
MinceR	ah, so somebody fucked up their code	Jul 29 04:05
MinceR	forced systemd in by depending on it	Jul 29 04:06
oiaohm	But systemd in fact supports running that way.	Jul 29 04:06
MinceR	which is the real reason for the "need" for systemd	Jul 29 04:06
MinceR	as usual	Jul 29 04:06
oiaohm	No PID 1 requirement.	Jul 29 04:06
oiaohm	Yet for some reason people change the PID 1 when something needs systemd.	Jul 29 04:06
oiaohm	MinceR: systemd include a usermode	Jul 29 04:10
oiaohm	systemd in usermode does not need PID1	Jul 29 04:10
oiaohm	yet it can process unit files.	Jul 29 04:10
MinceR	i'll take a look at that when i'll feel like wading through its spaghetti code	Jul 29 04:19
oiaohm	There is a requirement	Jul 29 04:20
oiaohm	But its not PID1	Jul 29 04:20
MinceR	i faintly remember seeing some pid check	Jul 29 04:20
oiaohm	If it does not have PID1 it needs access to a cgroup manager.	Jul 29 04:20
oiaohm	openrc has a cgroup manager so no problems.	Jul 29 04:20
oiaohm	sysvinit if you start one no problems.	Jul 29 04:20
oiaohm	MinceR: https://maci0.wordpress.com/2014/07/23/run-systemd-in-an-unprivileged-docker-container/ With some shoving systemd will work without any privilages.	Jul 29 04:26
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-maci0.wordpress.com \| Run systemd in an unprivileged(!!!) docker container \| maci's random stuff [ http://ur1.ca/nagbl ]		Jul 29 04:26
oiaohm	Of course using that method Lose the cgroup tracking I want.	Jul 29 04:26
MinceR	it should be optional anyway	Jul 29 04:27
MinceR	yeah, dbus also needs to die in a fire	Jul 29 04:28
MinceR	along with kdbus, of course	Jul 29 04:28
oiaohm	Systemd in a unprividaged mode will start up withotu cgroups as long as the cgroup directory exists as ro entity.	Jul 29 04:28
oiaohm	The reality is once you start messing with systemd you find a heck lot is optional.	Jul 29 04:29
MinceR	then again, even if they did make systemd well-behaved and portable, the codebase would still be a mess	Jul 29 04:29
MinceR	systemd itself is optional	Jul 29 04:29
oiaohm	If systemd was not design modular making shims and the like would be harder.	Jul 29 04:30
MinceR	"modular" doesn't mean "a ton of bricks tangled together with razor wire, twine, glue and bitumen"	Jul 29 04:30
MinceR	if you can't pry modules out of it, it's not modular	Jul 29 04:30
oiaohm	You can pry modules out.	Jul 29 04:30
oiaohm	Most people don't try.	Jul 29 04:30
MinceR	yeah, they just won't work	Jul 29 04:30
oiaohm	No they work	Jul 29 04:31
oiaohm	when pryed out.	Jul 29 04:31
MinceR	just like m$ claiming most of their code that runs in kernel mode doesn't make their shit a microkernel.	Jul 29 04:31
MinceR	just like m$ claiming most of their code that runs in kernel mode "is not part of the kernel" doesn't make their shit a microkernel.	Jul 29 04:31
oiaohm	MinceR: I am not kiding when I say modular.	Jul 29 04:32
oiaohm	systemd-nspawn	Jul 29 04:32
oiaohm	That in in the systemd package but its in fact fully stand alone build	Jul 29 04:33
MinceR	http://lists.freedesktop.org/archives/systemd-devel/2014-May/019657.html	Jul 29 04:33
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MinceR	even udev isn't a "module" anymore	Jul 29 04:33
MinceR	it was assimilated	Jul 29 04:33
cubexyz	use what you like, discard what you don't	Jul 29 04:36
oiaohm	Not a good example.	Jul 29 04:36
cubexyz	if you want a traditional Unix, go with openbsd, freebsd, or netbsd	Jul 29 04:36
oiaohm	Newer Linux kernels don't support udev firmwareloader instead replaced by a internal kernel firmware loader.	Jul 29 04:36
oiaohm	That was a upstream change.	Jul 29 04:36
oiaohm	MinceR: CONFIG_FW_LOADER_USER_HELPER appears in 3.7 Linux kernel	Jul 29 04:37
oiaohm	If you have not worked out FW means forwards. Capture attempts to use udev firmware loader and use in kernel firmware loader instead.	Jul 29 04:38
cubexyz	the old loki games should have been open sourced	Jul 29 04:40
cubexyz	I think heretic II was	Jul 29 04:41
oiaohm	https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=718975	Jul 29 04:42
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oiaohm	MinceR: basically CONFIG_FW_LOADER_USER_HELPER is stupid	Jul 29 04:43
oiaohm	The Linux kernel since 3.7 as always attempted to load the firmware itself. So even if udev did load and send the firmware across the linux kernel goes an reloads it again.	Jul 29 04:43
oiaohm	Complete balls up feature.	Jul 29 04:44
cubexyz	firmware for...?	Jul 29 04:46
oiaohm	What ever driver the Linux kernel is wanting to use.	Jul 29 04:47
oiaohm	So devices start basically cubexyz	Jul 29 04:47
cubexyz	which devices?	Jul 29 04:47
oiaohm	cubexyz: http://lists.freedesktop.org/archives/systemd-devel/2014-May/019657.html	Jul 29 04:47
cubexyz	usually the firmware is inside the device	Jul 29 04:47
oiaohm	To understand why that is.	Jul 29 04:48
cubexyz	why would linux have to load different firmware?	Jul 29 04:48
oiaohm	Lots of devices these days don't have firmware	Jul 29 04:48
oiaohm	Instead OS has to send firmware into them so they fire up.	Jul 29 04:48
oiaohm	cubexyz: cost saving/updatability	Jul 29 04:49
cubexyz	I don't understandy why anyone would make a device like that	Jul 29 04:49
oiaohm	Like a webcam cubexyz	Jul 29 04:49
oiaohm	Does that need to work in boot up.	Jul 29 04:50
oiaohm	Answer no.	Jul 29 04:50
oiaohm	So save a few dollars and don't put firmware inside.	Jul 29 04:50
cubexyz	so you're saying some devices don't have any firmware at all?	Jul 29 04:50
oiaohm	some devices to start them you basically jtag them.	Jul 29 04:50
oiaohm	by usb	Jul 29 04:51
oiaohm	Only firmware is so the device shows up on usb.	Jul 29 04:51
cubexyz	I don't think I have any device like that	Jul 29 04:51
cubexyz	this must be a recent development	Jul 29 04:51
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cubexyz	seems like another control mechanism	Jul 29 04:52
oiaohm	Its that that new.	Jul 29 04:52
oiaohm	GPU units in most modern video cards are that way.	Jul 29 04:52
oiaohm	So no firmware no 3d GPU operations.	Jul 29 04:53
oiaohm	entery level cannon and lexmark printers were first todo it cubexyz	Jul 29 04:54
cubexyz	so when did this start?	Jul 29 04:54
oiaohm	I first saw it 1996	Jul 29 04:54
oiaohm	But it was not exactly new then.	Jul 29 04:55
cubexyz	there's only one file in /sys/class/firmware on my machines	Jul 29 04:55
cubexyz	and it's timeout	Jul 29 04:56
cubexyz	openbsd doesn't even have the directory	Jul 29 04:56
oiaohm	https://kernel.org/doc/Documentation/firmware_class/README	Jul 29 04:56
oiaohm	cubexyz: that is the in kernel loader	Jul 29 05:01
cubexyz	I spoke too soon, there's /lib/firmware	Jul 29 05:04
oiaohm	Yes there is quite a bit in there.	Jul 29 05:06
cubexyz	did you know The Weather Channel funded Tungsten Graphics to develop the Radeon 8500 driver?	Jul 29 05:06
oiaohm	Understandable.	Jul 29 05:06
oiaohm	They want competition between AMD and Nvidia to try to keep processing costs down.	Jul 29 05:06
cubexyz	oiaohm, I don't think older linux had /lib/firmware	Jul 29 05:07
oiaohm	cubexyz: weather forcasting these days uses a hell load of gpus.	Jul 29 05:07
cubexyz	yes	Jul 29 05:07
cubexyz	fc1 had /etc/firmware	Jul 29 05:08
oiaohm	Before /lib/firmware the firmware files were spreed all over the place.	Jul 29 05:08
oiaohm	Ie where ever distrobutions thought was a good idea.	Jul 29 05:08
oiaohm	Linux kernel setting /lib/firmware was a good solution.	Jul 29 05:08
cubexyz	not really a library though	Jul 29 05:09
oiaohm	Kinda is.	Jul 29 05:09
oiaohm	cubexyz: I now it streeching the meaning of library.	Jul 29 05:11
oiaohm	kernel loads firmware to shove into devices so devices provide functions.	Jul 29 05:11
oiaohm	You load libraries into normal application to get access to functions the library contains.	Jul 29 05:12
oiaohm	/lib/firmware makes more sense than /etc/firmware as you are really never to edit firmware files unless you are willing to make stuff burn.	Jul 29 05:12
cubexyz	I certainly have no idea what it does	Jul 29 05:13
oiaohm	That is the fun with firmware.	Jul 29 05:14
oiaohm	Until you load it to a device or can decomple it you don't know what it does.	Jul 29 05:14
cubexyz	all I know is it says "Loading R300 Microcode"	Jul 29 05:15
oiaohm	Other than provided documentation.	Jul 29 05:15
oiaohm	you have a radion video card I guess by that.	Jul 29 05:15
cubexyz	yes	Jul 29 05:15
oiaohm	That is making the GPU functional	Jul 29 05:16
cubexyz	so what would happen if the R300 microcode was not loaded?	Jul 29 05:16
oiaohm	Until that only 2d part of a R300 works.	Jul 29 05:16
oiaohm	Even not all the 3d part.	Jul 29 05:16
cubexyz	would the text console still work?	Jul 29 05:16
oiaohm	Opps	Jul 29 05:16
oiaohm	not even all the 2d part.	Jul 29 05:17
oiaohm	r300 in what. R300 I think apple did a machine that was frame buffer only.	Jul 29 05:17
cubexyz	no EXA acceleration, textured video or 3d acceleration without microcode it says	Jul 29 05:17
cubexyz	what's textured video? :)	Jul 29 05:18
oiaohm	video acceleration	Jul 29 05:18
oiaohm	texture video is gpu decode video to a opengl texture.	Jul 29 05:18
oiaohm	EXA is 2d acceleration. So fairly much back to a basic framebuffer without it.	Jul 29 05:19
cubexyz	it actually says it's loading R300 microcode every time I which to and from the text console	Jul 29 05:20
cubexyz	s/which/switch/	Jul 29 05:20
cubexyz	it's an unconditional console message	Jul 29 05:21
oiaohm	AMD closed source drivers yes?	Jul 29 05:21
oiaohm	Because if so this is the open soruce/closed source cat fight.	Jul 29 05:21
cubexyz	actually wait, it's just in dmesg	Jul 29 05:22
cubexyz	but I just noticed it	Jul 29 05:22
oiaohm	If you are running Amd closed source drivers the X11 uses that.	Jul 29 05:22
oiaohm	And the text based framebuffer console uses open source	Jul 29 05:22
cubexyz	no, I have open source video driver	Jul 29 05:23
oiaohm	hmm that ood	Jul 29 05:23
oiaohm	because it should only need to load the firmware once in that case.	Jul 29 05:23
oiaohm	Maybe they are treating it like it has the closed source loaded.	Jul 29 05:23
oiaohm	amdgpu driver as a unified thing is going to be so great it not funny.	Jul 29 05:24
oiaohm	end all this stupid driver fighting with driver.	Jul 29 05:24
cubexyz	not sure if I have the source to radeonfb though	Jul 29 05:24
oiaohm	cubexyz: what I describe was how it was 2 years ago.	Jul 29 05:25
oiaohm	Nvidia closed source and framebuffer cat fights as well.	Jul 29 05:27
cubexyz	it used to be in /usr/src	Jul 29 05:28
cubexyz	radeonfb.c	Jul 29 05:28
cubexyz	so confusing	Jul 29 05:29
cubexyz	I wanted to look at that code to see what it does	Jul 29 05:29
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schestowitz	https://twitter.com/fcassia/status/626228273702400000	Jul 29 07:48
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@fcassia: Looks like #OpenBSD can give #Cisco routers some kicking https://t.co/VeqmB3o5zs cc/@schestowitz #opensource		Jul 29 07:48
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@fcassia: "we replaced all #Cisco routers w #OpenBSD boxes(…)extremely reliable&fast for #gigabit-level L3 intra-vlan routing" https://t.co/abb3nl27d1		Jul 29 07:48
schestowitz	https://twitter.com/annejanbrouwer/status/626284182357061632	Jul 29 07:55
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@annejanbrouwer: @schestowitz may prevent some squeamish ppl from installing openWRT		Jul 29 07:55
schestowitz	https://joindiaspora.com/posts/6399036	Jul 29 07:57
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: When corporations buy airspace http://www.theguardian.com/technology/2015/jul/28/amazon-autonomous-drones-only-airspace-package-delivery		Jul 29 07:57
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights--> www.theguardian.com \| Amazon proposes drones-only airspace to facilitate high-speed delivery \| Technology \| The Guardian [ http://ur1.ca/nahvq ]		Jul 29 07:57
schestowitz	"That ties in nicely with what the FAA proposed for rc aircraft a few months ago… What turkeys."	Jul 29 07:57
schestowitz	https://twitter.com/CDSRV/status/626288232305594369	Jul 29 08:10
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@CDSRV: @voidquest44 @schestowitz : digging up articles from 1990's?		Jul 29 08:10
schestowitz	> https://soylentnews.org/breakingnews/article.pl?sid=15/07/28/1433251	Jul 29 08:26
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schestowitz	>	Jul 29 08:26
schestowitz	> -	Jul 29 08:26
schestowitz	>	Jul 29 08:26
schestowitz	> "The Company… has not successfully leveraged the	Jul 29 08:26
schestowitz	> Slashdot user base."	Jul 29 08:26
schestowitz	>	Jul 29 08:26
schestowitz	> http://arstechnica.com/information-technology/2015/07/dhi-group-plans-to-sell-off-slashdot-and-sourceforge/	Jul 29 08:26
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-arstechnica.com \| DHI Group plans to sell off Slashdot and Sourceforge \| Ars Technica [ http://ur1.ca/nai44 ]		Jul 29 08:26
schestowitz	>	Jul 29 08:26
schestowitz	> No, but they have successfully chased away the users and driven the site	Jul 29 08:26
schestowitz	> into the ground perhaps irrevocably, and probably on purpose.	Jul 29 08:26
schestowitz	Does the Dice/DHI Web site reveal any connection to MS, e.g. board of directors?	Jul 29 08:26
schestowitz	https://twitter.com/FrancisJeffrey7/status/626290600732696576]	Jul 29 08:32
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@FrancisJeffrey7: @voidquest44 @schestowitz Complex s/w that my crew wrote in 1990s: crashed (about) MONTHLY, on top of BSD Unix that crashed (about) WEEKLY.		Jul 29 08:32
schestowitz	https://twitter.com/Messgorough/status/626291866410053632	Jul 29 08:32
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@Messgorough: @schestowitz Can't quite see that Malaysian airways flight either.....		Jul 29 08:32
schestowitz	https://twitter.com/coryxoxo/status/626291882436341760	Jul 29 08:32
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@coryxoxo: @schestowitz Think they got a flying lightning death machine? I'd take one in a video game.		Jul 29 08:32
cubexyz	bull... bsd did not crash weekly	Jul 29 08:35
cubexyz	that's bull	Jul 29 08:35
cubexyz	even quasijarus had uptimes over 200 days	Jul 29 08:35
schestowitz	https://joindiaspora.com/posts/6399577	Jul 29 08:36
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: Nope, White House won’t pardon Snowden http://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/2015/07/nope-white-house-wont-pardon-snowden/ pardons the criminals, not the person reporting them		Jul 29 08:36
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights--> arstechnica.com \| Nope, White House won’t pardon Snowden \| Ars Technica [ http://ur1.ca/nai60 ]		Jul 29 08:36
schestowitz	"That was to expect…"	Jul 29 08:36
schestowitz	Some want to hang him	Jul 29 08:36
cubexyz	I never saw win2k last much beyond 50 days	Jul 29 08:36
cubexyz	win95 was a crashomatic	Jul 29 08:37
schestowitz	well, that was a long time ago	Jul 29 08:37
schestowitz	I guess Mac OS was not much better	Jul 29 08:37
schestowitz	nor Linux	Jul 29 08:37
schestowitz	which hardly even had a good GUI at the time	Jul 29 08:37
schestowitz	but WIndows continues to be buggy and unstable for a long time to come	Jul 29 08:37
schestowitz	cubexyz: I don't think there's much Windows left, the world adopts Android	Jul 29 08:38
cubexyz	I hear the guy on CTV news (normally pro microsoft) diss windows	Jul 29 08:38
schestowitz	Microsoft is learning to accept that too	Jul 29 08:38
schestowitz	now it has some launchers for android	Jul 29 08:38
schestowitz	ir seeks patent payments	Jul 29 08:39
cubexyz	the cracks are starting to show	Jul 29 08:39
schestowitz	and is uses Cyanogen Inc. as a Trojan horse	Jul 29 08:39
schestowitz	cubexyz: did he diss Vista 10?	Jul 29 08:39
schestowitz	I got marketing spam about it this morning	Jul 29 08:39
cubexyz	he basically said windows 8 was crap and fewer people now use windows	Jul 29 08:40
cubexyz	and that microsoft "has to" give windows 10 for free	Jul 29 08:40
schestowitz	https://joindiaspora.com/posts/6399577	Jul 29 08:41
schestowitz	"BUT WE ALL ASKED SO NICELY!!!11"	Jul 29 08:41
cubexyz	since google gives out chrome os for free and I think Apple gives away it's OS for free also?	Jul 29 08:41
cubexyz	not sure	Jul 29 08:41
schestowitz	Governments of occupations don't care what people think, they tell people what to think. And if people still don't agree, they call them dissident, "target" them.	Jul 29 08:41
cubexyz	a LOT of people are repurposing old computers with Linux	Jul 29 08:42
cubexyz	I saw that in Toronto recently	Jul 29 08:42
schestowitz	cool!	Jul 29 08:42
schestowitz	yes, BUT..	Jul 29 08:43
schestowitz	MS isn't giving it for free	Jul 29 08:43
schestowitz	that's a lie	Jul 29 08:43
schestowitz	it makes it free UPDATE	Jul 29 08:43
schestowitz	like system update	Jul 29 08:43
schestowitz	which is a different thing	Jul 29 08:43
cubexyz	how much does it cost for system builders I wonder	Jul 29 08:43
schestowitz	~5 posts debunking the 'free' Vista 10 lie in this new page: http://techrights.org/wiki/index.php/Vista_10_Reality_Log	Jul 29 08:43
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org \| Vista 10 Reality Log - Techrights [ http://ur1.ca/nadnk ]		Jul 29 08:43
schestowitz	cubexyz: depends which system builder	Jul 29 08:44
schestowitz	they keep that secret so that they can price syndamically	Jul 29 08:44
schestowitz	dynamically	Jul 29 08:44
cubexyz	probably about $15 to $50	Jul 29 08:44
schestowitz	but someone once leaked some documents to me	Jul 29 08:44
cubexyz	I'm guessing	Jul 29 08:44
schestowitz	http://techrights.org/2009/06/12/tesco-lies-for-ms-cash/	Jul 29 08:46
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org \| Tesco Recommends Vista “Due to Endorsement Money Paid to Tesco from Microsoft” \| Techrights [ http://ur1.ca/nai87 ]		Jul 29 08:46
schestowitz	http://techrights.org/2008/12/01/leaked-oem-vista-ad-incentives/	Jul 29 08:46
schestowitz	Classics	Jul 29 08:47
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org \| Leaked: Microsoft Pays Companies to Recommend Windows \| Techrights [ http://ur1.ca/204qa ]		Jul 29 08:47
cubexyz	ok I have an answer in the form of an email	Jul 29 08:59
cubexyz	microsoft windows 10 home OEM $127.99	Jul 29 08:59
cubexyz	$179.99 for pro	Jul 29 09:00
cubexyz	:-P	Jul 29 09:00
cubexyz	you can have crap or deluxe crap	Jul 29 09:02
cubexyz	anyways they were selling used P4's with Linux in Toronto for 20 bucks	Jul 29 09:03
cubexyz	http://eused.ca	Jul 29 09:03
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-eused.ca \| EUSED - Toronto PC Mac Linux Andriod Computer Store		Jul 29 09:03
cubexyz	not that I'd want a P4 but still it's so cheap	Jul 29 09:05
cubexyz	windows 10, not to be confused with windows 1.0	Jul 29 09:08
cubexyz	did you know you can't copy an audio cd on windows?	Jul 29 09:09
cubexyz	I had to use my customer's linux box to copy some audio cds	Jul 29 09:10
cubexyz	GST, that sounds like a Canadian Microsoft deal	Jul 29 09:11
cubexyz	oh wait, there's GST in Australia, Hong Kong, India, Malaysia, New Zealand and Singapore	Jul 29 09:13
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schestowitz	https://twitter.com/encycl/status/626306138938568704	Jul 29 09:20
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@encycl: @schestowitz "once upon a time" is not a defense for an offensive word. That's what progress means.		Jul 29 09:20
schestowitz	Right, but the point is, github threatens to censor projects based on offensive words	Jul 29 09:21
cubexyz	I pretty much knew Microsoft sucked back in 1988	Jul 29 09:30
cubexyz	I compared windows 2.0 to topview and desqview	Jul 29 09:30
cubexyz	topview was this awful thing from IBM	Jul 29 09:30
cubexyz	windows 2.0 was slightly better than topview but ran slow	Jul 29 09:30
cubexyz	Xenix was boring but it ran without problems	Jul 29 09:31
schestowitz	https://twitter.com/encycl/status/626307953570635777	Jul 29 09:31
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@encycl: @schestowitz the censorship is troubling to me.		Jul 29 09:31
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Western Greece switches to using open source	Jul 29 09:54
TweetTuxMachines	GIS http://t.co/bWYipi2y4u	Jul 29 09:54
TweetTuxMachines	(www.tuxmachines.org)	Jul 29 09:54
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Gentoo-Based Sabayon Linux Gets Its Monthly	Jul 29 09:55
TweetTuxMachines	Update for August 2015 http://t.co/g0vw32jwpU	Jul 29 09:55
TweetTuxMachines	(www.tuxmachines.org)	Jul 29 09:55
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Second Release Candidate of NetBSD 7.0 Brings	Jul 29 09:55
TweetTuxMachines	Latest OpenSSL and BIND Updates	Jul 29 09:55
TweetTuxMachines	http://t.co/sfu1yFYAWK (www.tuxmachines.org)	Jul 29 09:55
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Nvidia 352.30 Stable Driver for Linux Has Lots	Jul 29 09:56
TweetTuxMachines	of Fixes and GeForce 910M Support	Jul 29 09:56
TweetTuxMachines	http://t.co/moRAGYK0M0 (news.softpedia.com)	Jul 29 09:56
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*TweetTuxMachines @LukeVizzicks retweeted @tuxmachines: 'Second Release Candidate of NetBSD 7.0 Brings Latest...'		Jul 29 09:56
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Apache HTTP Server Vulnerabilities Fixes in	Jul 29 10:00
TweetTuxMachines	Ubuntu OSes http://t.co/twxwjpbqZS	Jul 29 10:00
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Ubuntu Software Center Is Really Hated by the	Jul 29 10:00
TweetTuxMachines	Community, but Why? http://t.co/UeNvcQPYcc	Jul 29 10:00
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TweetTuxMachines	(news.softpedia.com) well-documented	Jul 29 10:00
TweetTuxMachines	controversy	Jul 29 10:00
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Canonical Patches Four Linux Kernel	Jul 29 10:00
TweetTuxMachines	Vulnerabilities in Ubuntu 15.04 and Ubuntu	Jul 29 10:00
TweetTuxMachines	14.04 http://t.co/4f6JgUmsq0	Jul 29 10:01
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Raspberry Pi gains $35 HAT-based touchscreen	Jul 29 10:08
TweetTuxMachines	http://t.co/PyH47ouxbg (linuxgizmos.com)	Jul 29 10:08
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-linuxgizmos.com \| Raspberry Pi gains $35 HAT-based touchscreen · LinuxGizmos.com		Jul 29 10:08
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Watch: Ubuntu MATE 15.04 Linux Running on the	Jul 29 10:08
TweetTuxMachines	MK808B Plus Quad-Core Mini TV Box	Jul 29 10:08
TweetTuxMachines	http://t.co/UJEcefDmlg (linux.softpedia.com)	Jul 29 10:08
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Ubuntu's Mir 0.14 Display Server Officially	Jul 29 10:08
TweetTuxMachines	Released, Here's What's Coming in Mir 0.15	Jul 29 10:08
TweetTuxMachines	http://t.co/95jJL67s2H (news.softpedia.com)	Jul 29 10:08
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-news.softpedia.com \| Ubuntu's Mir 0.14 Display Server Officially Released, Here's What's Coming in Mir 0.15 - Softpedia		Jul 29 10:08
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msb_	I wrote a multitasking animated graphics program in C that ran under DesqView, I think on a 386. It was an excellent system.	Jul 29 10:21
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Gentoo-Based Sabayon Linux Gets Its Monthly	Jul 29 10:31
TweetTuxMachines	Update for August 2015 http://t.co/ntBuHOYOTl	Jul 29 10:31
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TweetTuxMachines	(news.softpedia.com)	Jul 29 10:31
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schestowitz	https://twitter.com/JohnitoMusic/status/626322848584495104	Jul 29 10:31
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@JohnitoMusic: @schestowitz I can imagine.But to me the 'light on resources' argument is more important,especially because I only use second hand gear atm.		Jul 29 10:31
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines i.MX6 module and Pico-ITX sized carrier run	Jul 29 10:31
TweetTuxMachines	Buildroot Linux http://t.co/DLFtYfSUoo	Jul 29 10:31
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-linuxgizmos.com \| i.MX6 module and Pico-ITX sized carrier run Buildroot Linux · LinuxGizmos.com		Jul 29 10:31
TweetTuxMachines	(linuxgizmos.com)	Jul 29 10:31
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines OlliOlli2 Grinding coming to gnu linux	Jul 29 10:32
TweetTuxMachines	http://t.co/lRaK2KjtXS (www.thesixthaxis.com)	Jul 29 10:32
schestowitz	That's why we need choice in GNU/Linux	Jul 29 10:32
TweetTuxMachines	http://t.co/kv79sfFG9i (www.hardcoregamer.com)	Jul 29 10:32
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TweetTuxMachines	http://t.co/2TwUcVlvOX (www.develop-online.net)	Jul 29 10:32
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.hardcoregamer.com \| OlliOlli2 Grinding to PC, Mac and Linux this August \| Hardcore Gamer		Jul 29 10:32
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/naj4z	Jul 29 10:32
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.develop-online.net \| OlliOlli2: Welcome to Olliwood Grinds Onto PC, Mac and Linux on August 11 \| Games industry press releases \| Develop		Jul 29 10:32
schestowitz	https://twitter.com/MariusNestor/status/626323027886739456	Jul 29 10:32
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@MariusNestor: @schestowitz haha 😁😁		Jul 29 10:32
schestowitz	https://twitter.com/JohnitoMusic/status/626324787867029504	Jul 29 10:42
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@JohnitoMusic: @schestowitz agreed. One of many things I like about it		Jul 29 10:42
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines It's Easy to Port Mobile HTML5 Games to Ubuntu	Jul 29 10:47
TweetTuxMachines	Phone, Says the Community Manager	Jul 29 10:47
TweetTuxMachines	http://t.co/2aotNAxFca (linux.softpedia.com)	Jul 29 10:47
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-linux.softpedia.com \| It's Easy to Port Mobile HTML5 Games to Ubuntu Phone, Says the Community Manager - Softpedia		Jul 29 10:47
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Solus Linux OS Boots in 1.2 Seconds	Jul 29 10:47
TweetTuxMachines	http://t.co/yeQecrYtcm (news.softpedia.com)	Jul 29 10:47
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Canonical Patches Two BIND Vulnerabilities in	Jul 29 10:47
TweetTuxMachines	All Supported Ubuntu OSes, Update Now	Jul 29 10:47
TweetTuxMachines	http://t.co/rXhzUIHmsg (www.tuxmachines.org)	Jul 29 10:47
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Leftovers: Ubuntu Touch http://t.co/IUsQaVyk3L	Jul 29 10:47
TweetTuxMachines	(www.tuxmachines.org)	Jul 29 10:47
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org \| Leftovers: Ubuntu Touch \| Tux Machines		Jul 29 10:47
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Solus Linux OS Boots in 1.2 Seconds	Jul 29 10:47
TweetTuxMachines	http://t.co/0MFOBIkdxs (www.tuxmachines.org)	Jul 29 10:47
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org \| Solus Linux OS Boots in 1.2 Seconds \| Tux Machines		Jul 29 10:47
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Using OpenBSD as a FreeBSD Router	Jul 29 10:47
TweetTuxMachines	http://t.co/Fn70EtgHZk (www.tuxmachines.org)	Jul 29 10:47
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org \| Using OpenBSD as a FreeBSD Router \| Tux Machines		Jul 29 10:47
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines GNOME's LaTeXila TeX/LaTeX Editor App Gets New	Jul 29 10:47
TweetTuxMachines	Features, Prepares for GNOME 3.18	Jul 29 10:47
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schestowitz	https://twitter.com/johanhegg/status/626331434291085312	Jul 29 11:01
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@johanhegg: @schestowitz Mate		Jul 29 11:01
schestowitz	One of the few I never tried	Jul 29 11:01
schestowitz	unless Mint in 2010 counted for that	Jul 29 11:02
schestowitz	https://twitter.com/eee_eff/status/626331773794951168	Jul 29 11:02
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@eee_eff: @schestowitz I still like blackbox, most elegant, useful and uncluttered yet. Too bad NOT GPL, so #openbox		Jul 29 11:02
schestowitz	There's a openbox+kde+qt+plasma hybrid that I tried last year	Jul 29 11:02
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines GNOME's LaTeXila TeX/LaTeX Editor App Gets New	Jul 29 11:05
TweetTuxMachines	Features, Prepares for GNOME 3.18	Jul 29 11:05
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Today in Techrights http://t.co/ShMJFTRp01	Jul 29 11:05
TweetTuxMachines	retweeted by (www.tuxmachines.org)	Jul 29 11:05
TweetTuxMachines	@schestowitz	Jul 29 11:05
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org \| Today in Techrights \| Tux Machines		Jul 29 11:05
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schestowitz	https://twitter.com/eee_eff/status/626332623070171136	Jul 29 11:07
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@eee_eff: @schestowitz yes, SuSE has an openbox kde desktop. Used some, but some apps looked odd...		Jul 29 11:07
schestowitz	Yes, not tested under such setups	Jul 29 11:07
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schestowitz	https://twitter.com/johanhegg/status/626336681117913088	Jul 29 11:23
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@johanhegg: @schestowitz Nope lol tried mint, and Mate hands down for me at least, is the best so far, accessibility being my main reason		Jul 29 11:23
schestowitz	https://joindiaspora.com/posts/6399483	Jul 29 11:28
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: #diegogarcia is so blurred/grainy/low res in #googlemaps that one wonders if it's intentional. Nukes, subs, bombers, torture flights there.		Jul 29 11:28
schestowitz	"If it this is more the case than in surrounding bits of land, then I would stop wondering."	Jul 29 11:28
schestowitz	I guess all they have is satellite footage and no aerial footage like much of Google Maps. Would US Navy etc. want planes flying overhead for publication? If there was war, Diego Garcia would be a top target alongside Hawaii, Guam, maybe Luzon and a few other vulnerable but strategic areas	Jul 29 11:30
schestowitz	"Yes and sadly consumers have to pay a fee whenever they want to withdraw cash from ATMs so people start transitioning to cards."	Jul 29 11:32
schestowitz	https://joindiaspora.com/posts/6399548	Jul 29 11:32
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: In #sweden "banks don't want to pay the 'expense' of handling cash," iopkh shows http://www.svd.se/pengar-problem-i-kontanthanteringen/om/debatten-om-kontanterna		Jul 29 11:32
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights--> www.svd.se \| Ingen vill betala för kontanterna \| SvD [ http://ur1.ca/najtj ]		Jul 29 11:32
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Watch: Ubuntu MATE 15.04 Linux Running on the	Jul 29 11:49
TweetTuxMachines	retweeted by MK808B Plus Quad-Core Mini TV Box	Jul 29 11:49
TweetTuxMachines	@tokvbok http://t.co/UJEcefDmlg (linux.softpedia.com)	Jul 29 11:49
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-linux.softpedia.com \| Watch: Ubuntu MATE 15.04 Linux Running on the MK808B Plus Quad-Core Mini TV Box - Softpedia		Jul 29 11:49
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines "I have settled on maintaining my sensitive	Jul 29 11:49
TweetTuxMachines	data in plain-text files that I then encrypt	Jul 29 11:49
TweetTuxMachines	asymmetrically" http://t.co/ZJzynpCvox	Jul 29 11:49
TweetTuxMachines	(www.linuxjournal.com)	Jul 29 11:49
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.linuxjournal.com \| Hacking a Safe with Bash \| Linux Journal		Jul 29 11:49
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MinceR	https://plus.google.com/+JohnMcKenzie/posts/KFG3PWHrYHu	Jul 29 12:42
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Canonical Says Ubuntu-Based Docker Images Are	Jul 29 13:24
TweetTuxMachines	Not a Copyright Violation	Jul 29 13:24
TweetTuxMachines	http://t.co/FjryivHca1 (www.tuxmachines.org)	Jul 29 13:24
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org \| Canonical Says Ubuntu-Based Docker Images Are Not a Copyright Violation \| Tux Machines		Jul 29 13:24
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Poll: "I am not using systemd and plan to avoid	Jul 29 13:24
TweetTuxMachines	it: 1170 (44%)	Jul 29 13:24
TweetTuxMachines	I use systemd and like it: 787 (30%)"	Jul 29 13:24
TweetTuxMachines	http://t.co/5MwBGsGZ9w (distrowatch.com)	Jul 29 13:24
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-distrowatch.com \| DistroWatch.com: Put the fun back into computing. Use Linux, BSD.		Jul 29 13:24
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msb_	MinceR: People _do_ want to be free! "I am not using systemd and plan to avoid it: 1170 (44%)"	Jul 29 13:53
oiaohm	msb_: you are forgetting the 30 percent who are happy using it.	Jul 29 13:54
MinceR	that poll does not reflect the population of even one country	Jul 29 13:54
oiaohm	That is not a clear win one way or the other.	Jul 29 13:54
oiaohm	Due to the infighting over init systems before systemd I was not expecting a clear win.	Jul 29 13:55
msb_	That poll is representative of people in many countries.	Jul 29 13:55
oiaohm	Key word is plan to avoid includes people who have not even bothered trying it yet.	Jul 29 13:55
oiaohm	The level of bad press for it only to be 44 percent is impressive.	Jul 29 13:56
cubexyz	that poll over-simplifies things	Jul 29 13:56
msb_	Many people, nearly half, want to be free.	Jul 29 13:56
cubexyz	it doesn't talk about BSD init or Plan 9 init	Jul 29 13:56
oiaohm	BSD init and Plan 9 init are not properly functional on a Linux kernel.	Jul 29 13:57
cubexyz	ok, let's see the link	Jul 29 13:58
cubexyz	is this the _Distro_ Watch poll?	Jul 29 13:58
cubexyz	you distro watch not linux watch	Jul 29 13:59
cubexyz	you know	Jul 29 13:59
oiaohm	http://distrowatch.com/weekly.php?pollnumber=8&myaction=SeeVote&issue=20150713#poll	Jul 29 13:59
msb_	Most poll participants have only heard of sysvinit and systemd. And many have been forced into using systemd by coercive distro admins. Given those facts, 44% rejecting systemd is very encouraging.	Jul 29 13:59
oiaohm	If you total up those who using systemd hate it or not is 42 percent add on 4 percent who are going to try it.	Jul 29 13:59
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cubexyz	right, doesn't say anything about the linux kernel	Jul 29 14:00
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cubexyz	it just simpilifies things to like systemd don't like systemd	Jul 29 14:00
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cubexyz	so I guess "I am not using systemd" has to cover BSD init and other ones	Jul 29 14:01
msb_	Tens of millions of people have been using sysvinit with Linux for 15 years. Despite oiaohm's objections, they have had few if any problems with it.	Jul 29 14:01
cubexyz	that's too linux-centric	Jul 29 14:01
oiaohm	MinceR: I have eaten apple seeds that contains a small about of cyanide and its quite nice in fact.	Jul 29 14:02
msb_	cubexyz: What's the ratio of Linux users to BSD users?	Jul 29 14:02
oiaohm	about/amount	Jul 29 14:02
cubexyz	the fact is that Bell Labs Unix was the template for everything that came afterwards	Jul 29 14:02
oiaohm	msb_: all distrobutions have had open bugs over issues with sysvinit.	Jul 29 14:02
oiaohm	msb_: that is all Linux distrobutions.	Jul 29 14:03
msb_	oiaohm: But they are not significant in probability. That's what you keep ignoring.	Jul 29 14:03
MinceR	oiaohm: obviously the dosage was off. :>	Jul 29 14:04
oiaohm	Interesting enough lot of sysvinit emulation problems in systemd has to do with LSB meta data in sysvinit script to assist auto configuration of startup order being wrong.	Jul 29 14:04
cubexyz	sysvinit is from... AT&T Unix	Jul 29 14:05
oiaohm	So sysvinit auto configuration tools have been breaking for a long time.	Jul 29 14:05
cubexyz	people seem to forget their history	Jul 29 14:05
msb_	Decades ago I knew a girl with a brain tumor that was being kept in check with Laetrile tablets, the cyanide ingredient in apple and apricot seeds.	Jul 29 14:05
MinceR	well, it does have a cyanide group but that's not what i was referring to	Jul 29 14:06
MinceR	i was referring to the cyanide ion.	Jul 29 14:06
cubexyz	so around 1982	Jul 29 14:06
MinceR	(or the cyanide group in HCN)	Jul 29 14:06
cubexyz	now, all of a sudden sysvinit is bad	Jul 29 14:06
cubexyz	I never heard talk like that when I worked on SCO Xenix	Jul 29 14:07
oiaohm	cubexyz: SCO Xenix did not recycle PID instead crashed.	Jul 29 14:07
cubexyz	it was bad, but not because of sysvinit	Jul 29 14:07
cubexyz	it was bad because that it was closed source	Jul 29 14:07
MinceR	suddenly ony sysvinit and systemd exist, suddenly it's impossible to things without systemd that we've been doing without systemd for ages	Jul 29 14:08
MinceR	s/ony/only/	Jul 29 14:08
MinceR	we're living in interesting times	Jul 29 14:08
oiaohm	cubexyz: bad because it did not remain running as long as solaris or Linux that do recycle PID numbers.	Jul 29 14:08
oiaohm	cubexyz: and bsd	Jul 29 14:08
cubexyz	no, I never said only sysvinit and systemd	Jul 29 14:08
msb_	It is L-mandelonitrile, one of the first alternative cancer treatments. Cancer cells have more of the enzyme that breaks it down and releases the CN than normal cells.	Jul 29 14:08
MinceR	not you, cubexyz	Jul 29 14:08
cubexyz	I definitely talked about pre-sysvinit	Jul 29 14:08
MinceR	systemd apologists keep framing it as if only sysvinit and systemd existed	Jul 29 14:08
MinceR	(or, in the case of debian's leadership, only sysvinit, upstart and systemd existed)	Jul 29 14:09
oiaohm	MinceR: http://chemistry.about.com/od/healthsafety/f/Do-Apple-Seeds-Contain-Poison.htm Its the level of posion small ammount of cyanide is a danager to the human body. Is a interesting taste in fact.	Jul 29 14:09
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cubexyz	it is irksome that people don't talk about BSD	Jul 29 14:09
cubexyz	I think BSD is very important	Jul 29 14:09
MinceR	if redcrap and their following manages to kill GNU/Linux before they manage to kill BSD, people will talk a lot more about BSD.	Jul 29 14:10
oiaohm	MinceR: that is wrong debian leadership started with 20 and wittled down removing those broken by design.	Jul 29 14:10
cubexyz	clearly it was the template used by Stallman and Torvalds	Jul 29 14:10
oiaohm	Openrc almost won with the debian leadership.	Jul 29 14:10
msb_	Laetrile is the abbreviation for L-mandelonitrile. The human body can definitely withstand small amounts of CN, and it helps to keep cancer down.	Jul 29 14:10
MinceR	oiaohm: no, they didn't remove neither upstart nor systemd, even though both are broken by design.	Jul 29 14:10
oiaohm	upstart was removed due to its ptrace usage that is broken way of tracing processes.	Jul 29 14:11
MinceR	laetrile is a highly toxic product that has not shown any effect on treating cancer	Jul 29 14:11
oiaohm	systemd was taken on board by debian with the possiblity of forking it in future if required.	Jul 29 14:11
MinceR	upstart abuses signals	Jul 29 14:11
cubexyz	AIX is sysvinit too yes?	Jul 29 14:11
MinceR	systemd is basically a collection of design flaws	Jul 29 14:12
cubexyz	I think IBM knows a thing or two	Jul 29 14:12
oiaohm	Sorry MinceR systemd is not that big of a collection of design flaws.	Jul 29 14:12
msb_	This is the lie spread by big Pharma and the govt: " laetrile is a highly toxic product that has not shown any effect on treating cancer"	Jul 29 14:12
MinceR	it has no scope or cohesion, its code is nearly undocumented and unreadable, it's full of unchecked null pointer dereferences	Jul 29 14:12
oiaohm	If systemd is stripped back and not allowed feature creap. Ie taken back to its core its quite a good design.	Jul 29 14:12
MinceR	it does lots of things in PID1 as root that neither PID1 nor processes running as root should ever do	Jul 29 14:13
oiaohm	Not exactly.	Jul 29 14:13
oiaohm	MinceR: do you know what systemd in fact runs as PID1	Jul 29 14:13
MinceR	i don't, the code is an unholy mess	Jul 29 14:13
oiaohm	Please be sure of what PID1.	Jul 29 14:13
MinceR	but it's all tightly coupled	Jul 29 14:13
MinceR	so it doesn't really matter	Jul 29 14:13
oiaohm	Linux kernel has 2 defines of PID1.	Jul 29 14:13
MinceR	it's just like the microsoft school of kernel design	Jul 29 14:14
oiaohm	Nop	Jul 29 14:14
MinceR	systemd apologists wield dependencies as weapons	Jul 29 14:14
oiaohm	The claim of tightly coupled is very wrong.	Jul 29 14:14
oiaohm	libudev is removable.	Jul 29 14:14
MinceR	they've used gnome to foist systemd on debian and others	Jul 29 14:14
oiaohm	Same with logind	Jul 29 14:14
MinceR	now they're using their distros to force kdbus into the kernel	Jul 29 14:15
cubexyz	can you switch from systemd to a different init system easily?	Jul 29 14:15
MinceR	you can't	Jul 29 14:15
msb_	Now I know when I will switch to systemd! When I get a computer with 1024 cores!	Jul 29 14:15
cubexyz	e.g. apt-get remove systemd	Jul 29 14:15
MinceR	systemd comes with at least half of an OS	Jul 29 14:15
oiaohm	MinceR: stop over claiming.	Jul 29 14:15
MinceR	i know when i will switch to systemd	Jul 29 14:15
cubexyz	so if you can't remove it it is tightly coupled yes?	Jul 29 14:15
msb_	and lots of apps that now depend on it	Jul 29 14:15
MinceR	when i switch to windows.	Jul 29 14:15
MinceR	also, systemd is deliberately designed to make it difficult for independent users/developers to change or replace	Jul 29 14:16
cubexyz	so all the AIX and HP-UX devs are wrong too?	Jul 29 14:16
cubexyz	not likely	Jul 29 14:16
oiaohm	No there is more a issue with debian that key things like consolekit has not been updated.	Jul 29 14:16
msb_	Should be about year 2045.	Jul 29 14:17
oiaohm	cubexyz: AIX does not use sysvinit it uses another init that avoids the PID trap.	Jul 29 14:17
cubexyz	oiaohm, what's it called?	Jul 29 14:17
oiaohm	cubexyz: AIX init	Jul 29 14:18
MinceR	not updating "key things" is preferable to hijacking the entire OS	Jul 29 14:18
oiaohm	Yes it has it own init that is sysvinit config compadible but wraps like openrc does.	Jul 29 14:18
oiaohm	HP-UX just dies when it runs to the end of the PID count.	Jul 29 14:18
oiaohm	cubexyz: the reality is only systems that have unique PID numbers other than Linux have been using sysvinit.	Jul 29 14:19
cubexyz	so init 1 is single user mode?	Jul 29 14:19
cubexyz	and all the commands are the same?	Jul 29 14:20
oiaohm	cubexyz: all the commands are the same its like you with upstart you don't notice the difference unless you really look.	Jul 29 14:20
msb_	oiaohm: HP-UX dies after 32K process starts?	Jul 29 14:20
oiaohm	msb_: Yep I fork bomb crashes HP-UX in 1994	Jul 29 14:21
oiaohm	msb_: that way.	Jul 29 14:21
msb_	Linux certainly doesn't. It keeps recycling the unused PIDs.	Jul 29 14:21
oiaohm	msb_: the recycling of PIDs is why sysvinit and Linux don't get along.	Jul 29 14:22
MinceR	they still get along better than systemd and linux	Jul 29 14:22
msb_	I know because I renice Firefox, mencoder and mplayer by PID in order to record TV and play x265s.	Jul 29 14:22
cubexyz	oiaohm, I always wondered why Unix didn't protect against resource exhaustion	Jul 29 14:23
MinceR	(Linux -- soon to be called 'systemd-kernel')	Jul 29 14:23
cubexyz	it didn't seem too hard of a problem to fix	Jul 29 14:23
MinceR	(or is that 'systemd-kerneld'?)	Jul 29 14:23
msb_	Or Lennix.	Jul 29 14:23
MinceR	"Lennix" seems to imply that it has something to do with unix :>	Jul 29 14:24
oiaohm	cubexyz: PID recycling and other clean up come in systems designed that resource exhaustion has to be worried about.	Jul 29 14:24
cubexyz	oiaohm, why does Unix allocate a core part of memory for the OS?	Jul 29 14:24
oiaohm	The fact sysvinit is broken by design and a lot of other competting inits copied the sysvinit mistake of PID.	Jul 29 14:24
cubexyz	why in the world does it swap out everything instead	Jul 29 14:24
oiaohm	Leaves us today with such a limited choice.	Jul 29 14:25
cubexyz	the user can just open more and more programs infinitely until the system crashes	Jul 29 14:25
cubexyz	I thought that was silly	Jul 29 14:25
oiaohm	MinceR: I would like to be able to list more init systems than systemd and openrc as tracking services correctly.	Jul 29 14:25
MinceR	oiaohm: such as the ones that insist on daemons not forking?	Jul 29 14:26
cubexyz	ulimit -u 16384 is a start	Jul 29 14:26
cubexyz	or even 8192	Jul 29 14:26
oiaohm	MinceR: a hacked program can always fork.	Jul 29 14:26
msb_	I would rather have a simpler system that crashes once a year than a far more complicated one.	Jul 29 14:26
MinceR	oiaohm: if your system was broken into, losing track of your daemons is the least of your worries.	Jul 29 14:26
oiaohm	MinceR: depends what user was broken into.	Jul 29 14:27
oiaohm	And it is early detection.	Jul 29 14:27
cubexyz	oiaohm, for example the OS could say ok firefox you can use up to 75% of the memory in the system before I stop allocating you more memory	Jul 29 14:27
oiaohm	systemd can enforce syscall filters. So it can in fact run no fork deamons.	Jul 29 14:27
oiaohm	same with openrc	Jul 29 14:28
oiaohm	cubexyz: cgroups(linux) and zones(solaris) can apply limits like 75 percent of memory can only be allocated to this process group.	Jul 29 14:29
oiaohm	cubexyz: and not a bit more.	Jul 29 14:29
msb_	I just look at the system monitor from time to time, and if firefox is using too much cpu I kill and restart it. Stick shift instead of automatic.	Jul 29 14:29
cubexyz	ok, but it would be nice if the OS stopped it first	Jul 29 14:29
oiaohm	cubexyz: appling the limits you are talking about is why cgroups and zones were made.	Jul 29 14:30
msb_	No, limiting firefox would break it.	Jul 29 14:30
oiaohm	msb_: I have limited firefox.	Jul 29 14:30
cubexyz	there's the OOM killer	Jul 29 14:30
MinceR	cubexyz: afaik the only ways to limit that result in terminating firefox, though	Jul 29 14:30
oiaohm	MinceR: not true.	Jul 29 14:31
cubexyz	MinceR, how about close all tabs except one if memory gets full?	Jul 29 14:31
oiaohm	cgroups can in fact tell the kernel to return null when memory is full.	Jul 29 14:31
MinceR	well, if you can make firefox do that, that's nice	Jul 29 14:31
oiaohm	and firefox gets interesting when it sees that.	Jul 29 14:31
MinceR	but i doubt that the kernel refusing to give it more pages would result in that	Jul 29 14:31
oiaohm	Yes releasing memory.	Jul 29 14:31
oiaohm	You know those 30 pages you browsed past that it has still image rendered.	Jul 29 14:32
msb_	I'd rather quit it and restart it myself. Better chance to keep all my 500 tabs and 10,000 bookmarks.	Jul 29 14:32
MinceR	i've moved most of my tabs to directories	Jul 29 14:32
oiaohm	msb_: firefox will take out rendered images of pages first.	Jul 29 14:32
MinceR	i manage them with a set of shell functions that use wget to fetch the pages	Jul 29 14:32
oiaohm	msb_: so doing this you don't loss settings.	Jul 29 14:32
oiaohm	msb_: having oom killer run on the other hand you might loss settings.	Jul 29 14:32
msb_	I just need to go through the tabs and eliminate ones I no longer need.	Jul 29 14:33
oiaohm	msb_: No that is not how firefox render cache works.	Jul 29 14:33
cubexyz	I mean don't let firefox eat all memory, it seems like a no-brainer	Jul 29 14:33
cubexyz	ff can't have 100% of the memory	Jul 29 14:33
msb_	It doesn't eat all of my memory. It eats all of the cpu.	Jul 29 14:34
MinceR	disabling flash and having NoScript and AdBlock Plus block crap helps	Jul 29 14:34
msb_	Already do most of that.	Jul 29 14:35
cubexyz	yes, I do the same thing you do... I kill ff if the system lags too much	Jul 29 14:35
msb_	I do it when the cpu usage graph gets all humpy.	Jul 29 14:35
cubexyz	in CS it's called thrashing	Jul 29 14:35
MinceR	i restart ff if it uses too much memory	Jul 29 14:36
oiaohm	msb_: is also about limiting cpu usage.	Jul 29 14:37
oiaohm	Its one of the first things you notice after using openrc and systemd for a while.	Jul 29 14:38
cubexyz	CPU is usually just sitting there waiting for data	Jul 29 14:38
oiaohm	That alt-f1 to termianl to login to kill crap works a lot better.	Jul 29 14:38
msb_	I think thrashing would be going to swap. It doesn't do that. It stays in RAM but keeps thinking about all the page changes I've done since restart.	Jul 29 14:38
oiaohm	Because the cgroup of users has broken cpu allocation per user.	Jul 29 14:38
oiaohm	So 1 user cannot stave everyone else out.	Jul 29 14:39
cubexyz	new computer design:	Jul 29 14:40
oiaohm	You can also tune OOM Killer to only go after the user who has consumed everthing.	Jul 29 14:40
cubexyz	with two kinds of memory	Jul 29 14:40
cubexyz	1 gigabyte of ram for firefox	Jul 29 14:40
MinceR	lol	Jul 29 14:40
cubexyz	1 gigabyte of ram for everything else	Jul 29 14:40
MinceR	my idea was to set aside a computer for the web browser	Jul 29 14:40
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MinceR	of course, the "modern" web would have to be unfucked or replaced with something sane for a real solution	Jul 29 14:40
cubexyz	you could have OS ram and application ram	Jul 29 14:41
MinceR	the current mess of specs are probably impossible to implement with a non-bloated, non-leaking, sane web browser	Jul 29 14:41
MinceR	i have Osram LED bulbs, does that count? :>	Jul 29 14:41
cubexyz	I bet mainframes can do that	Jul 29 14:41
oiaohm	MinceR: non leaking is possible.	Jul 29 14:42
MinceR	just not even nearly easy	Jul 29 14:42
oiaohm	MinceR: but that is using sandboxing to terminate the page when the user leaves it.	Jul 29 14:43
oiaohm	Yes the process that renders the page be exterminated.	Jul 29 14:43
oiaohm	Leak proof browser is possible its just not going to be cpu friendly.	Jul 29 14:43
MinceR	yet even sandboxing didn't do the things people expected	Jul 29 14:43
MinceR	it is reported that chrome handles many tabs very badly	Jul 29 14:44
MinceR	(i don't know, as it was way too crash-prone on my PCs to get there)	Jul 29 14:44
oiaohm	chome shared items like flash plugins.	Jul 29 14:44
oiaohm	So no a pure limited that everything in page was rendered in the 1 sandbox.	Jul 29 14:45
MinceR	npapi, the new api, or both?	Jul 29 14:45
oiaohm	Both	Jul 29 14:45
cubexyz	you can tell firefox to never remember history	Jul 29 14:45
cubexyz	that might help	Jul 29 14:45
oiaohm	cubexyz: that is the thing.	Jul 29 14:46
oiaohm	to be leak proof also means losing things like history.	Jul 29 14:46
oiaohm	So a true private browser.	Jul 29 14:47
MinceR	little things nobody would miss? :>	Jul 29 14:47
oiaohm	MinceR: people who used single log-on would be hit as well opening multi tabs	Jul 29 14:47
oiaohm	MinceR: its like the hell trying to implement copy paste securely.	Jul 29 14:49
MinceR	add to that that no sandbox is perfect	Jul 29 14:49
oiaohm	When it comes to memory tracking and its not hacked that is something sandboxs can do.	Jul 29 14:50
cubexyz	I think you can even turn of the memory cache	Jul 29 14:50
oiaohm	If you were asking me to make a system that you cannot break out of the sandbox and hack the system that is kinda impossible.	Jul 29 14:50
cubexyz	off	Jul 29 14:50
cubexyz	sure it's possible... read-only OS	Jul 29 14:51
cubexyz	you can't alter it :)	Jul 29 14:51
MinceR	you could unplug everything, remove all batteries, encase the computer in a metal box without holes, then encase that in a big block of concrete	Jul 29 14:52
MinceR	then you'd finally have a secure system	Jul 29 14:52
oiaohm	cubexyz: you would have missed this one canvas.image.cache.limit	Jul 29 14:54
msb_	If the OS limited the amount of cpu that ff could use, then every time ff slowed down I'd have to figure out if it was being limited or if my connection had slowed down. My way, one glance at sysmon tells me.	Jul 29 14:54
oiaohm	cubexyz: that limit that is normally set 0 that is unlimited is the number of page images firefox can store.	Jul 29 14:54
oiaohm	cubexyz: in megs	Jul 29 14:54
oiaohm	Some of firefox default settings are evil.	Jul 29 14:55
cubexyz	I don't see taht	Jul 29 14:55
cubexyz	I see image.cache.size	Jul 29 14:55
cubexyz	and it's value is 5242880	Jul 29 14:56
msb_	I would rather have more readouts, scopes meters on my machines	Jul 29 14:56
msb_	and control them manually.	Jul 29 14:56
cubexyz	isn't there a way to limit a process from using 100% of cpu?	Jul 29 14:57
msb_	I would never fly in an airliner with one-button avionics.	Jul 29 14:57
cubexyz	nice it or something	Jul 29 14:58
oiaohm	cubexyz: to prevent a process taking 100% cpu place in a cgroup and set limit.	Jul 29 14:58
oiaohm	cubexyz: that is for Linux and solaris is use zones. BSd is use jails.	Jul 29 14:58
msb_	I do nice FF when I'm recording avi from TV or watching x265.	Jul 29 14:58
msb_	I'm driving an old jalopy but I like it!	Jul 29 14:59
msb_	Maybe when devuan is ready for primetime I'll spend a grand and build an 8-core AMD box.	Jul 29 15:00
cubexyz	I thought you had that already	Jul 29 15:00
msb_	Nope. That's what I was recommending for you. AMD FX8350	Jul 29 15:01
oiaohm	msb_: nice on chrome would not have worked. And will not in future on Linux.	Jul 29 15:01
oiaohm	Nice is a per linux kernel define of a PID applied value.	Jul 29 15:01
msb_	Because you can't play x265s, maybe not even big x264s	Jul 29 15:01
oiaohm	So something opens up 10000 thread it gets the nice value times 10000	Jul 29 15:02
msb_	I can, it just requires nicing.	Jul 29 15:02
oiaohm	msb_: nice is applied per thread.	Jul 29 15:02
oiaohm	cgroup is applied per bundle of processes.	Jul 29 15:02
oiaohm	That is under Linux	Jul 29 15:03
cubexyz	if ff uses 100% cpu for more than 60 seconds kill it	Jul 29 15:03
cubexyz	is there a way to do that?	Jul 29 15:03
msb_	It doesn't use 100%, more like 90%.	Jul 29 15:03
msb_	And I want to decide when to kill it.	Jul 29 15:03
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cubexyz	I know, I shall write a new program that does it... and it will be called systemd!	Jul 29 15:03
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cubexyz	j/k	Jul 29 15:04
msb_	That will kill everything!	Jul 29 15:04
cubexyz	too much kill	Jul 29 15:04
MinceR	kill kill kill kill	Jul 29 15:05
msb_	Kill for the love of killing! Kill for the love of Kali Linux!	Jul 29 15:05
cubexyz	real time operating systems don't freeze up	Jul 29 15:05
cubexyz	your system stays responsive	Jul 29 15:05
MinceR	there are RT patches for Linux	Jul 29 15:06
cubexyz	is there a distro for lazy people? :)	Jul 29 15:06
MinceR	if there is, i haven't found it yet	Jul 29 15:06
cubexyz	there's ChronOS Linux	Jul 29 15:06
cubexyz	not sure if that's a complete distro though	Jul 29 15:07
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msb_	My system stays responsive. The only time it didn't was when it got caught up in the KDE4 semantic analyzer. I had to make it non-executable.	Jul 29 15:09
msb_	Maybe it was trying to semantically analyze audios and videos. 8^)	Jul 29 15:11
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MinceR	https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=793932	Jul 29 16:47
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines today's leftovers http://t.co/oVjWViqwyU	Jul 29 16:59
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@___discovery: Something happened while trying to install #Windows10 https://t.co/xErI5zyBNw http://t.co/pweJtrUPgC		Jul 29 17:33
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Today in Techrights http://t.co/0chrMDmuU7	Jul 29 18:26
TweetTuxMachines	retweeted by (www.tuxmachines.org)	Jul 29 18:26
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Snappy Ubuntu Core 15.04 Gets a Second Stable	Jul 29 18:26
TweetTuxMachines	Release http://t.co/beYRv4whzM	Jul 29 18:26
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines NVidia's Tegra X1 does well on Linux	Jul 29 18:26
TweetTuxMachines	http://t.co/1W5xAkjwyD (www.tuxmachines.org)	Jul 29 18:26
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Snappy Ubuntu Core 15.04 Gets a Second Stable	Jul 29 18:26
TweetTuxMachines	Release http://t.co/tKKgciKsSU	Jul 29 18:26
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Remix Mini Is the First Android PC, Runs	Jul 29 18:26
TweetTuxMachines	Lollipop-Based Remix OS http://t.co/Rrm4ErtP3A	Jul 29 18:26
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines The AMD Radeon R9 Fury Is Currently A Disaster	Jul 29 19:32
TweetTuxMachines	On Linux http://t.co/RTYzefjxjT	Jul 29 19:32
TweetTuxMachines	(www.tuxmachines.org)	Jul 29 19:32
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TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/napkd	Jul 29 19:32
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Battle of the sub-$450 Android phones: ZTE Axon	Jul 29 19:32
TweetTuxMachines	vs OnePlus 2 vs Moto X Style	Jul 29 19:32
TweetTuxMachines	http://t.co/Kxx7Zpbzuh (www.tuxmachines.org)	Jul 29 19:32
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/napkn	Jul 29 19:32
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines OpenDaylight dawn: Open-source software defined	Jul 29 19:32
TweetTuxMachines	networking goes into production	Jul 29 19:32
TweetTuxMachines	http://t.co/OOBDqDTp5M (www.tuxmachines.org)	Jul 29 19:32
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schestowitz	https://joindiaspora.com/posts/6401633	Jul 29 20:02
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: This week I saw an idiot in the jacuzzi who brought his phone with him (powerful phone) to take selfies. I hope he wins Darwin Award.		Jul 29 20:02
schestowitz	"I really dislike selfies, but I think dropping a phone into a bathtub would be harmless for people."	Jul 29 20:02
schestowitz	not just to the user, but others around the user.... in this case.	Jul 29 20:03
schestowitz	https://joindiaspora.com/posts/6400102	Jul 29 20:03
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: To understand why poaching #CecilTheLion is big deal in #Zimbabwe imagine media reaction in US if Zimbabwean in US murdered Trump for 'fun'		Jul 29 20:03
schestowitz	"I can bet many people would not mind at all."	Jul 29 20:03
schestowitz	Corporate media would moan	Jul 29 20:03
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schestowitz	https://joindiaspora.com/posts/6399886	Jul 29 20:05
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: #Ubuntu Software Center Is Really Hated by the Community, but Why? http://news.softpedia.com/news/ubuntu-software-center-is-really-hated-by-community-but-why-487990.shtml well-documented controversy		Jul 29 20:05
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights--> news.softpedia.com \| Ubuntu Software Center Is Really Hated by the Community, but Why? - Softpedia [ http://ur1.ca/napxj ]		Jul 29 20:05
schestowitz	"Yeah, I never use it either. It is resource intensive and full of advertising. I like the Lubuntu Software Center better, but usually just use APT from the command line."	Jul 29 20:05
schestowitz	"Web search plus apt means I know what I’m getting into. Software centers? It’s hard for them to be as good."	Jul 29 20:05
schestowitz	https://joindiaspora.com/posts/6400465	Jul 29 20:06
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: My wife is extremely distraught over #CecilTheLion (a lot more than me).It's only now I realise media refusing to cover it caused ignorance.		Jul 29 20:06
schestowitz	"I remember a post titled “Killing a lion is the most cowardly thing you can do.”"	Jul 29 20:06
schestowitz	"I saw that too. But plenty of stuff on Diaspora* isn’t covered by the mainstream media."	Jul 29 20:07
schestowitz	I remember that one...	Jul 29 20:07
schestowitz	https://joindiaspora.com/posts/6400554	Jul 29 20:08
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: Poaching is a rich people's 'sport'. Only psychopaths can sleep well at night after doing that. In the #uk watch who does #foxHunting		Jul 29 20:08
schestowitz	"originally, hunting was a way for peasants to sustain themselves, before the enclosure movement made all land into property, declared wild hunting illegal, which drove the peasants into the cities as cheap workforce for the new industrial factories"	Jul 29 20:08
schestowitz	https://joindiaspora.com/posts/6400371	Jul 29 20:12
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: So if you 'upgrade' (for 'free') to #vista10 you lose access to 'free' Solitaire, which now spies on you (for ads) http://www.zdnet.com/article/want-to-remove-the-ads-from-solitaire-in-windows-10-thatll-be-1-49-a-month/		Jul 29 20:12
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights--> www.zdnet.com \| Want to remove the ads from Solitaire in Windows 10? That'll be $1.49 a month \| ZDNet [ http://ur1.ca/na8zt ]		Jul 29 20:12
schestowitz	"	Jul 29 20:12
schestowitz	http://sourceforge.net/projects/pysolfc/	Jul 29 20:12
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-sourceforge.net \| PySolFC download \| SourceForge.net		Jul 29 20:12
schestowitz	I’m seriiously having concerns about the sanity of Microsoft users - in so far as total ignorance isn’t the explanation.	Jul 29 20:12
schestowitz	"	Jul 29 20:12
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abeNd-org	cant say i have ever actually played any of those included windows games, except that pinball they had in win98	Jul 29 20:21
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Ubuntu Touch Finally Gets a Regression Fix for	Jul 29 20:56
TweetTuxMachines	Nexus 4 and Aquaris Phones	Jul 29 20:56
TweetTuxMachines	http://t.co/C4eX66J2uG (www.tuxmachines.org)	Jul 29 20:56
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines The road to LibreOffice 5.0	Jul 29 20:56
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schestowitz	https://joindiaspora.com/posts/6399555	Jul 29 21:22
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: Dice: "The Company… has not successfully leveraged the #Slashdot user base." http://arstechnica.com/information-technology/2015/07/dhi-group-plans-to-sell-off-slashdot-and-sourceforge/ leveraged?!		Jul 29 21:22
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights--> arstechnica.com \| DHI Group plans to sell off Slashdot and Sourceforge \| Ars Technica [ http://ur1.ca/nai44 ]		Jul 29 21:22
schestowitz	"I’ll give a try to Soylent news before being leveraged."	Jul 29 21:22
schestowitz	Leveraged and DICED.	Jul 29 21:23
schestowitz	https://joindiaspora.com/posts/6399642	Jul 29 21:23
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: 2009: Tesco Recommends Vista “Due to Endorsement Money Paid to Tesco from Microsoft” http://techrights.org/2009/06/12/tesco-lies-for-ms-cash/ #currys does this too now. #spam		Jul 29 21:23
schestowitz	"I wonder if there is someone that endorses Microsoft for free."	Jul 29 21:23
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schestowitz	DaemonFC is baaack	Jul 29 21:56
DaemonFC	Yeah. I've been busy.	Jul 29 21:58
schestowitz	that's jono's line	Jul 29 22:00
schestowitz	http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2015/07/29/ferguson-prisoner-beaten-by-cops-has-won-his-appeal.html #police said "destruction of property because he bled on their uniforms"	Jul 29 22:03
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DaemonFC	Hmm.	Jul 29 22:03
DaemonFC	I just got an update for my Galaxy S6.	Jul 29 22:03
DaemonFC	That's been happening a lot.	Jul 29 22:03
DaemonFC	Good god.	Jul 29 22:05
DaemonFC	"Previous Windows installations: 19.7 GB"	Jul 29 22:05
XRevan86	DaemonFC: On Galaxy S6?	Jul 29 22:05
DaemonFC	No.	Jul 29 22:06
DaemonFC	I just upgraded Windows 8.1 to Windows 10.	Jul 29 22:06
DaemonFC	It also left 3.7 GB of upgrade files behind.	Jul 29 22:06
DaemonFC	Messy. :P	Jul 29 22:06
XRevan86	Oh, Windows 10 user. Good, I mean bad.	Jul 29 22:06
XRevan86	DaemonFC: https://reddit.com/r/Windows10/comments/31rxsv/disable_keylogger_windows_10	Jul 29 22:06
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.reddit.com \| Disable KeyLogger Windows 10 : Windows10 [ http://ur1.ca/narda ]		Jul 29 22:06
XRevan86	can you confirm this?	Jul 29 22:06
XRevan86	on the release version	Jul 29 22:07
XRevan86	Or maybe I was informed wrong and keylogger is not activated in the release.	Jul 29 22:07
DaemonFC	There's an option during setup that asks if you want it to send your typing and voice data to Microsoft to improve the quality of suggestions.	Jul 29 22:07
DaemonFC	I turned that to "off".	Jul 29 22:07
XRevan86	DaemonFC: ah	Jul 29 22:07
DaemonFC	It's kind of creepy that it would be able to do that and asks, and that it defaults to "on".	Jul 29 22:07
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DaemonFC	Probably one of those things where if they get sued later they want to say "It's not our fault that you didn't answer yes or not to 30 questions and used the default options button!".	Jul 29 22:08
XRevan86	DaemonFC: Used must be prepared to never touch the "defaults" button :).	Jul 29 22:10
XRevan86	DaemonFC: Installers of Windows applications do the same.	Jul 29 22:10
XRevan86	"Oh, you wanted to leave defaults? Okay, then get the Comodo browser, the panel for Internet Explorer, a system cleaner and a custom homepage"	Jul 29 22:11
schestowitz	http://www.theregister.co.uk/2014/10/14/windows_10_privacy_controversy_sysadmin_blog/	Jul 29 22:11
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.theregister.co.uk \| Windows 10: Forget Cloudobile, put Security and Privacy First • The Register [ http://ur1.ca/narfi ]		Jul 29 22:11
schestowitz	http://thenextweb.com/microsoft/2015/07/29/wind-nos/	Jul 29 22:11
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-thenextweb.com \| Windows 10? Here are privacy issues you should consider [ http://ur1.ca/narfn ]		Jul 29 22:11
schestowitz	https://edri.org/microsofts-new-small-print-how-your-personal-data-abused/	Jul 29 22:11
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schestowitz	https://plus.google.com/+JohnMcKenzie/posts/KFG3PWHrYHu	Jul 29 22:12
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-plus.google.com \| Just remember folks - upgrading to Windows 10 - Asimov/CEIP/WER (MS' real time… [ http://ur1.ca/nakpj ]		Jul 29 22:12
schestowitz	http://techrights.org/wiki/index.php/Vista_10_Reality_Log http://techrights.org/wiki/index.php/Microsoft_and_the_NSA	Jul 29 22:12
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org \| Vista 10 Reality Log - Techrights [ http://ur1.ca/nadnk ]		Jul 29 22:12
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org \| Microsoft and the NSA - Techrights [ http://ur1.ca/g1zod ]		Jul 29 22:12
schestowitz	"By default, when signing into Windows with a Microsoft account, Windows syncs some of your settings and data with Microsoft servers, for example “web browser history, favorites, and websites you have open” as well as “saved app, website, mobile hotspot, and Wi-Fi network names and passwords”. Users can however deactivate this transfer to the Microsoft servers by changing their settings."	Jul 29 22:13
schestowitz	"The problem is that both Microsoft and the US government have lost the trust of the general populace. Discovering borderline technologies incorporated into Windows 10's technical preview (like the built-in keylogger of ultimate controversy) simply serves as a catalyst for concerned citizens to ask the questions that have been bothering them for some time."	Jul 29 22:13
schestowitz	"Sign into Windows with your Microsoft account and the operating system immediately syncs settings and data to the company’s servers. That includes your browser history, favorites and the websites you currently have open as well as saved app, website and mobile hotspot passwords and Wi-Fi network names and passwords."	Jul 29 22:13
schestowitz	Sounds like the NSA will be happy	Jul 29 22:13
schestowitz	got all your passwords	Jul 29 22:13
schestowitz	MS doesn't even try to PRETEND to care about privacy	Jul 29 22:13
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schestowitz	just lip services for summies	Jul 29 22:14
schestowitz	*dummies	Jul 29 22:14
schestowitz	who don't read EULA, news, etc.	Jul 29 22:14
schestowitz	thankfully many CIOs/CTOs might	Jul 29 22:14
schestowitz	and I don't foresee govs adopting this cra	Jul 29 22:14
schestowitz	they'll consider gnu/linux	Jul 29 22:14
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schestowitz	I'm being trolled by FOUR 'security' developers from Microsoft today	Jul 29 22:15
schestowitz	they don't respond with any substance	Jul 29 22:15
schestowitz	just ad hominem against me and others	Jul 29 22:15
schestowitz	which says a lot...	Jul 29 22:15
MinceR	they don't have anything else to do	Jul 29 22:15
MinceR	they're "security" "developers" at m$, after all	Jul 29 22:15
schestowitz	"Stolen's a strong word. it's copyrighted content that the owner wasn't paid for."ill Gates, June 2006	Jul 29 22:16
schestowitz	Bill who watches copyrighted movies on youtube	Jul 29 22:16
schestowitz	and publicly admitted to it	Jul 29 22:16
MinceR	lol	Jul 29 22:16
schestowitz	"David Smith commented that Gartner will not bash MS if MS chooses to slip Vista."	Jul 29 22:17
MinceR	the tune changes when bill believes he was slighted	Jul 29 22:17
schestowitz	Jamin Spilzer, Microsoft	Jul 29 22:17
MinceR	the biggest criminals have the right to do anything	Jul 29 22:17
MinceR	and the slaves get to give everything they have	Jul 29 22:17
schestowitz	-rw-r--r--. 1 root root 165960713 Jul 29 14:19 techrights.org-access_log	Jul 29 22:19
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schestowitz	[root@techrights httpd]#	Jul 29 22:19
schestowitz	At this pace, we might have the busiest week perhaps ever...	Jul 29 22:19
schestowitz	or in recent years	Jul 29 22:19
schestowitz	3.5 days at the back end heading towards 330mb	Jul 29 22:20
schestowitz	the cache server does the vast majority, at around 1.6 GB/hour	Jul 29 22:20
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schestowitz	I think MS is getting a bad reputation	Jul 29 22:21
schestowitz	and I think they know they lose the battle over minds	Jul 29 22:21
schestowitz	which is why they lay off and lose money	Jul 29 22:21
schestowitz	they pay twitter now to promote their garbage	Jul 29 22:21
schestowitz	but people push back with rants about vista 10	Jul 29 22:21
abeNd-org	only end user rants i have heard so far have been people with 1366x768 screens, UI issues	Jul 29 22:23
DaemonFC	I don't really like the new start menu.	Jul 29 22:25
DaemonFC	It's still way too pushy about wanting you to run "Modern" apps.	Jul 29 22:25
MinceR	i'm not m$'s or crApple's or redcrap's target audience	Jul 29 22:25
MinceR	they design their products for idiots	Jul 29 22:26
abeNd-org	as a consultant that has to support ms (as well as linux/mac/mobile devices/etc) id sure like to see all the windows boxes moved to win10, at least it would be one platform to support	Jul 29 22:28
schestowitz	but it's not best for you	Jul 29 22:29
schestowitz	broken windows theory	Jul 29 22:29
schestowitz	if there's more work to do, you might get more work. That's what windows can be "good" for...	Jul 29 22:29
schestowitz	"job creation" through "broken windows" economy	Jul 29 22:30
MinceR	until you lose that work because general purpose computers were outlawed and replaced by telescreens where you can do nothing locally	Jul 29 22:30
MinceR	and the server side is in the techno-fascists' hands	Jul 29 22:31
abeNd-org	id rather support just 10 rather than 2000/xp/7/8/81 (none of the hundreds of customers has vista)	Jul 29 22:31
MinceR	breaking the world for someone else's benefit, like redcrap is doing	Jul 29 22:31
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XRevan86	abeNd-org: But Windows 7 and "newer" are pretty much the same.	Jul 29 22:31
abeNd-org	the OS itself I dont mind, some of the weird cruft that goes along with it like https://edri.org/microsofts-new-small-print-how-your-personal-data-abused/ is needless	Jul 29 22:31
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DaemonFC	Well, that was a crash.	Jul 29 22:33
abeNd-org	XRevan86: kinda sorta, but with 7pro you dont get bitlocker, 8pro you do, 10pro you do, so id like everyone on 10pro (or enterprise if they have the licensing). those that can use linux do, but with the business apps thats far & few between. plenty of linux server side though	Jul 29 22:33
DaemonFC	I went to uninstall something that had a helper in Windows Explorer, and it brought down the shell.	Jul 29 22:33
XRevan86	abeNd-org: Is there anyone who uses BitLocker?	Jul 29 22:33
abeNd-org	XRevan86: we have a good amount of clients that have machines with TPM & use bitlocker, it isnt 100% foolproof, but still better than letting users run with bare laptop drives	Jul 29 22:34
XRevan86	There are LibreCrypt, CipherShed, VeraCrypt	Jul 29 22:35
XRevan86	Why would anybody want to use BitLocker?	Jul 29 22:35
MinceR	and vista and vista7 are also pretty much the same	Jul 29 22:35
MinceR	except in marketing, of course	Jul 29 22:35
MinceR	XRevan86: because they don't know anything about security and believe the hype about Treacherous Computing	Jul 29 22:36
abeNd-org	XRevan86: because it can be controlled via gpo (easier management than most other alternatives), & it is built in. those alternatives are fine for individuals, but when you are trying to manage it on multiple computers it doesnt scale well	Jul 29 22:36
MinceR	or they might also believe the hype about storage devices that allegedly encrypt themselves and use those instead	Jul 29 22:36
MinceR	backdoors in windows, backdoors in the TPM, backdoors in the storage device	Jul 29 22:37
abeNd-org	backdoors into everything, but still better than bare	Jul 29 22:37
MinceR	most users are ignorant of Kerckhoffs's principle	Jul 29 22:37
DaemonFC	I actually gained a few GB of free space on my SSD compared with Windows 8 after that.	Jul 29 22:37
DaemonFC	Microsoft uses NTFS file and folder compression on some Windows files now.	Jul 29 22:37
MinceR	so they accept these kinds of untrustworthy snake oil	Jul 29 22:37
msb__	MinceR: YOU WILL LOVE TELESCREEN	Jul 29 22:39
MinceR	well, if i get the right drugs and conditioning, i probably will	Jul 29 22:39
MinceR	but i will probably die before that works	Jul 29 22:39
DaemonFC	It installed an app called "Get Microsoft Office". I removed it with the add/remove programs applet. :P	Jul 29 22:41
DaemonFC	I already have LibreOffice installed on the computer and it doesn't cost several hundred dollars.	Jul 29 22:42
MinceR	lol	Jul 29 22:42
MinceR	such a useful piece of software, "Get Microsoft Office"	Jul 29 22:42
MinceR	to "get" an application, you must first have another application so you can "get" it with that	Jul 29 22:43
MinceR	i await the announcement of the "Get Get Microsoft Office" application with bated breath	Jul 29 22:43
DaemonFC	MinceR, What it does is it either takes you to a site where you can buy it and then downloads and install it, or you can type in the license key from a card that you bought at Walmart or somewhere, and then it downloads and installs it.	Jul 29 22:45
abeNd-org	cripes im getting these google business listing calls almost daily now	Jul 29 22:45
abeNd-org	i cant get these buggers to stop calling me	Jul 29 22:46
MinceR	DaemonFC: you totally need an application for that	Jul 29 22:46
MinceR	and of course, to install "Get Get Microsoft Office", i will first need to install "Get Get Get Microsoft Office"	Jul 29 22:48
XRevan86	"Oracle Get OpenOffice"	Jul 29 22:48
abeNd-org	libreoffice5 is sounding promising, it is supposed to have much better filters for opening msoffice docx type formats?	Jul 29 22:49
abeNd-org	i think that is the main issue a business would have when using libreoffice vs msoffice, document formatting gets butchered	Jul 29 22:49
MinceR	that's a losing battle	Jul 29 22:50
MinceR	m$ will just keep changing the format	Jul 29 22:50
MinceR	also, the whole paradigm is broken	Jul 29 22:50
DaemonFC	Apparently, one command in the Mac OS terminal app gets you added to the sudoers file without needing a password. :)	Jul 29 22:55
DaemonFC	In OS X 10.10.	Jul 29 22:55
DaemonFC	It bypasses the "system file protection" feature, and even enables sudo rm -rf /	Jul 29 22:55
abeNd-org	DaemonFC: & i love how the apple users are such "apple products are perfect & have no security issues" zealots, even these days	Jul 29 22:56
MinceR	yeah, that's crApple "security" for you	Jul 29 22:56
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DaemonFC	http://www.theregister.co.uk/2015/07/22/os_x_root_hole/	Jul 29 23:01
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.theregister.co.uk \| Get root on an OS X 10.10 Mac: The exploit is so trivial it fits in a tweet • The Register [ http://ur1.ca/n7k00 ]		Jul 29 23:01
DaemonFC	Ryan Farmer	Jul 29 23:07
DaemonFC	Just now ·	Jul 29 23:07
DaemonFC	Apparently, Apple may have failed to realize the security implications of allowing arbitrary files to be written to for "debugging" purposes (derp!) and they may have even accidentally fixed it in the 10.11 beta as part of a code cleanup, having never realized the security problem they introduced into 10.10 in the first place.	Jul 29 23:07
DaemonFC	Programmers this stupid should never have been allowed to graduate from community college. Where do they get these people?	Jul 29 23:07
DaemonFC	https://www.sektioneins.de/en/blog/15-07-07-dyld_print_to_file_lpe.html	Jul 29 23:07
DaemonFC	"When Apple changed the dynamic linker code for OS X 10.10 to support the new DYLD_PRINT_TO_FILE environment variable they added the following code directly to the _main function of dyld. As you can see from this code the value of the environment variable is directly used as filename for the opened or created logging file.	Jul 29 23:07
DaemonFC	The problem with this code is that it does not come with any safeguards that are required when adding new environment variables to the dynamic linker. Normally for security reasons the dynamic linker should reject all environvent variables passed to it in case of restricted files. This is automatically handled when new environment variables are added to the processDyldEnvironmentVariable() function. However in the DYLD_PRINT_TO_FILE case	Jul 29 23:07
DaemonFC	the code was directly added to the _main function of dyld.	Jul 29 23:07
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.sektioneins.de \| OS X 10.10 DYLD_PRINT_TO_FILE Local Privilege Escalation Vulnerability \| SektionEins GmbH [ http://ur1.ca/nas4h ]		Jul 29 23:07
DaemonFC	Because of this oversight dyld will accept DYLD_PRINT_TO_FILE even for restricted binaries, like SUID root binaries. This is obviously a problem, because it allows the creation or opening (for writing) of any file in the filesystem. And because the log file is never closed by dyld and the file is not openes with the close on exec flag the opened file descriptor is inherited by child processes of SUID binaries. This can be easily exploited	Jul 29 23:07
DaemonFC	for privilege escalation.	Jul 29 23:07
DaemonFC	Apple has fixed this vulnerability in the OS X 10.11 beta by moving the code for the DYLD_PRINT_TO_FILE (and another new environment variable) to the processDyldEnvironmentVariable() function, which automatically protects them. This might however be the result of a code cleanup and not based on realizing the security implications. However if this is the result of a security fix then Apple has once again shown how unsupported their current	Jul 29 23:07
DaemonFC	versions become the moment a new beta is in development."	Jul 29 23:07
MinceR	https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9YuNpOYfasA	Jul 29 23:15
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.youtube.com \| Thought he played it off well - YouTube [ http://ur1.ca/nas8n ]		Jul 29 23:15
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DaemonFC	J. R. Bob Dobbs (formerly ZOMG Pink Ponies) says:	Jul 29 23:20
DaemonFC	The only people more bonehead stupid than the people writing Apple software are the people using it.	Jul 29 23:20
abeNd-org	were starting to get more customers that love apple	Jul 29 23:22
abeNd-org	you can Active directory integrate them, but most of them don't want to, so you have to jump through so many extra hoops to support them, manually map printers, manually map drives, manually install applications, & of course the osx password is usually blank, or the user forgot what they set it to	Jul 29 23:23
abeNd-org	i really dislike working with osx in the enterprise	Jul 29 23:23
abeNd-org	there are some 3rd party addons that could possibly make it bareable, but they arent cheap, so customers don't want them.	Jul 29 23:24
MinceR	AD is horribly crap, too	Jul 29 23:27
MinceR	i had that POS forget my password	Jul 29 23:27
schestowitz	https://twitter.com/freedomgirl2011/status/626506598148632576	Jul 29 23:27
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@freedomgirl2011: The #SamDubose police report is full of falsehoods from Ray Tensing's colleagues: http://t.co/oGQBQSnFar @OccupyTheBronx @schestowitz #OWS		Jul 29 23:27
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights--> www.slate.com \| The Sam Dubose police report is full of falsehoods from Ray Tensing's colleagues.		Jul 29 23:27
DaemonFC	Sounds like the "forgotten password" isn't a problem. Just use the "feature" that allows you to write to files you don't have permission to access, and add yourself as a sudoer, and then run sudo passwd <user> <new password>. B-)	Jul 29 23:28
MinceR	it was on winblows though	Jul 29 23:28
MinceR	and on systems i had no access to	Jul 29 23:28
MinceR	(nor did i have interest in gaining access to them)	Jul 29 23:28
abeNd-org	MinceR: cant say ive ever had a well maintained AD or eDirectory install have issues with passwords, but i have seen horribly maintained eDir & AD setups have many problems	Jul 29 23:28
MinceR	i don't know if it was well maintained	Jul 29 23:29
MinceR	i don't know if it is even possible to maintain well	Jul 29 23:29
abeNd-org	most arent	Jul 29 23:29
abeNd-org	there are powershell scripts to run for maintenance, or in edir's case linux scripts of your choice	Jul 29 23:29
abeNd-org	especially easy to muck it up if you have multiple locations & don't bother doing any setup beyond the default	Jul 29 23:30
abeNd-org	they give you just enough rope to set up the basics, & then hang yourself if you dont do anything further	Jul 29 23:31
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Carrier adds Arduino and MCU hooks to Zynq	Jul 29 23:31
TweetTuxMachines	ARM/FPGA COM http://t.co/Eq7jeiJhJ7	Jul 29 23:31
TweetTuxMachines	(www.tuxmachines.org)	Jul 29 23:31
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/nasg6	Jul 29 23:31
MinceR	:>	Jul 29 23:31
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org \| Carrier adds Arduino and MCU hooks to Zynq ARM/FPGA COM \| Tux Machines		Jul 29 23:31
DaemonFC	The thing about trying to run scripts in Mac OS is that they're using an ancient version of bash that has lots of known bugs, and is missing features that allow you to write shorter scripts that do the same function, so you have to rewrite your scripts to make them work on OS X, you have to avoid using any feature added to bash in the last 8 years, and you have to know about several dozen bugs in the features their does support that have	Jul 29 23:32
DaemonFC	subsequently been patched on Linux, because you could try to do something perfectly legal and have unintended consequences on Mac. :)	Jul 29 23:32
abeNd-org	no clue about running scripts on mac, i try not to work on them, but even though i am the biggest apple hater in the office, I seem to keep getting the tickets to work on them	Jul 29 23:32
abeNd-org	we even sent some people to official apple training in NYC, but do they get the tickets...nooo, i do...	Jul 29 23:34
MinceR	probably out of spite	Jul 29 23:34
DaemonFC	I'm lucky that anyone who brings me an Apple computer is going to leave with the advice "Sell it for whatever you can get and buy a device that works.".	Jul 29 23:34
MinceR	good advice, though it's getting harder to find a device that works	Jul 29 23:36
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Will an upgrade to Windows 10 on a dual-boot	Jul 29 23:36
TweetTuxMachines	system mess GRUB up? http://t.co/Tk2UIsuijA	Jul 29 23:36
TweetTuxMachines	(www.tuxmachines.org)	Jul 29 23:36
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org \| Will an upgrade to Windows 10 on a dual-boot system mess GRUB up? \| Tux Machines		Jul 29 23:36
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/nasit	Jul 29 23:36
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines An Everyday Linux User Review Of Android x86 -	Jul 29 23:36
TweetTuxMachines	Release 4.4 r3 http://t.co/RTnYhjq99d	Jul 29 23:36
TweetTuxMachines	(www.tuxmachines.org)	Jul 29 23:36
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org \| An Everyday Linux User Review Of Android x86 - Release 4.4 r3 \| Tux Machines		Jul 29 23:36
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/nasiu	Jul 29 23:36
abeNd-org	anyways, time to go play in traffic	Jul 29 23:39
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DaemonFC	MinceR, My new Galaxy S6 has been a fairly pleasant experience.	Jul 29 23:40
DaemonFC	The new firmware update seems to have enabled faster LTE support.	Jul 29 23:40
MinceR	that's nice, considering that the S6 is probably the worst phone in the S series	Jul 29 23:40
DaemonFC	How so?	Jul 29 23:45
DaemonFC	Yeah, it has an integrated battery and no SD card support.	Jul 29 23:46
DaemonFC	Then again, that was already true with my LG G2.	Jul 29 23:46
MinceR	they gave up the removable battery and the memory card slot for the sake of a pointless, impractical, fragile fingerprint collector as the back	Jul 29 23:47
DaemonFC	I never really noticed or cared. With a phone, most of the stuff you do involves apps and pushes the actual computing to another computer somewhere over the internet.	Jul 29 23:47
MinceR	and a frame that blocks radiowaves, in a device where the main point is allegedly communicating via radiowaves	Jul 29 23:47
DaemonFC	So, with the way this model works, you have an optimal amount of storage and then you reach a point of diminishing returns.	Jul 29 23:47
MinceR	all this to satisfy the hordes of the crying iDiots who wouldn't buy it anyway because it doesn't have the crApple logo on it	Jul 29 23:48
DaemonFC	On the Apple side though, the apps anre firmware are way bigger, so having a phone with only 16 GB of local storage isn't even funny anymore.	Jul 29 23:48
MinceR	what's worse, apparently they'll fuck up the note series in the same way	Jul 29 23:48
MinceR	also, LG fixed that in the G3	Jul 29 23:49
MinceR	and kept it that way in the G4	Jul 29 23:49
DaemonFC	Yeah. I was looking at the LG G4.	Jul 29 23:50
MinceR	so was i	Jul 29 23:50
DaemonFC	The better processor on the S6 was what ended up deciding that one for me.	Jul 29 23:50
MinceR	but i'm hoping they'll add a usb-c port in the G5	Jul 29 23:50
MinceR	or something	Jul 29 23:50
MinceR	so it will be a better replacement for my note II LTE, for which i have a Smart Dock	Jul 29 23:51
DaemonFC	Some of these apps are pretty slow. It's probably an issue of developers not optimizing them. Still, having a faster processor that can offload background tasks onto additional cores can only help things.	Jul 29 23:51
DaemonFC	MinceR, I compared some basic apps between the installed size on Android 5.x and on iOS, and the iOS ones were sometimes three times bigger.	Jul 29 23:52
DaemonFC	So, it's pretty clear that the first thing the base model iPhone is going to do is run out of storage and tell you that you have to delete a bunch of your stuff if you want to continue.	Jul 29 23:52
DaemonFC	Hmm. I found some change in the couch. Beer money.	Jul 30 00:37
DaemonFC	Okay, bad beer, but even bad beer is beer.	Jul 30 00:38
schestowitz	http://www.zdnet.com/article/telstra-discovers-pacnet-security-breach-after-takeover/#!	Jul 30 00:50
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.zdnet.com \| Telstra discovers Pacnet security breach after takeover \| ZDNet [ http://ur1.ca/natdv ]		Jul 30 00:50
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schestowitz	https://twitter.com/Morality124/status/626557907778318336	Jul 30 02:02
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@Morality124: @schestowitz Have they name-dropped the branded bugs yet?		Jul 30 02:02
schestowitz	not yet	Jul 30 02:02
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DaemonFC	Well, I stumbled onto a bug in Firefox that happens when it's running on Windows 10.	Jul 30 02:32
DaemonFC	Sometimes the window goes totally black with just the titlebar and the window controls visible.	Jul 30 02:32
MinceR	i wonder why such a bug would exist	Jul 30 02:32
DaemonFC	Seems that you have to minimize it and then restore it to make the page visible again.	Jul 30 02:32
MinceR	cough https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/AARD_code cough	Jul 30 02:33
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-en.wikipedia.org \| AARD code - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia		Jul 30 02:33
DaemonFC	Seems to happen most often on Facebook.	Jul 30 02:35
DaemonFC	The Edge browser is unbelievably shitty.	Jul 30 02:35
DaemonFC	Internet Explorer was better.	Jul 30 02:35
DaemonFC	Edge - No add-on support, they removed Tracking Protection Lists, the right click menu has three entries. "Select all", "Inspect element", and "View source". No back option.	Jul 30 02:37
MinceR	it's just a new name for ie	Jul 30 02:37
DaemonFC	I'm constantly moving back and forward with the right click menu in Firefox.	Jul 30 02:37
DaemonFC	No, it's not just IE. IE was better.	Jul 30 02:37
MinceR	alt+left and alt+right might help :>	Jul 30 02:37
MinceR	or the extra mouse button	Jul 30 02:37
MinceR	consider how averse m$ is to spending resources on developing software	Jul 30 02:38
MinceR	they much prefer to spend it on lawyers, ads and bribes	Jul 30 02:38
MinceR	to them, the obvious thing to do is to rebrand something, rearrange the deck chairs and claim it's a totally new product	Jul 30 02:39
MinceR	they've done it before and they'll do it again	Jul 30 02:39
DaemonFC	http://www.winbeta.org/news/norton-antivirus-doesnt-want-you-use-microsoft-edge-because-it-currently-lacks-extensions	Jul 30 02:39
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.winbeta.org \| Norton Antivirus doesn't want you to use Microsoft Edge because it currently lacks extensions [ http://ur1.ca/naul9 ]		Jul 30 02:39
DaemonFC	Well, there's a plus. It won't load the Norton BloatBar.	Jul 30 02:40
DaemonFC	:)	Jul 30 02:40
MinceR	that's fine i don't want to use anything from symantec or microsoft	Jul 30 02:40
MinceR	s/ne/&,/	Jul 30 02:40
MinceR	symantec used to love m$ so much	Jul 30 02:40
MinceR	they even spread lies and FUD on hungarian radio	Jul 30 02:40
MinceR	to support winblows	Jul 30 02:41
MinceR	and attack gnu/linux	Jul 30 02:41
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cubexyz	Microsoft was bad right from the very beginning	Jul 30 02:50
MinceR	indeed	Jul 30 02:50
cubexyz	Gates stole PDP-10 computer time to write the initial BAIC interpreter	Jul 30 02:50
cubexyz	BASIC	Jul 30 02:50
MinceR	and even that sucked	Jul 30 02:50
MinceR	altair had to patch it	Jul 30 02:50
cubexyz	what was wrong with it?	Jul 30 02:59
cubexyz	one of the early Microsoft programmers Monte Davidoff was interviewed in 2001	Jul 30 03:02
cubexyz	and he was using Redhat 6.1 at the time	Jul 30 03:02
cubexyz	he said Stallman's contribution to software was "enormous"	Jul 30 03:03
MinceR	it was full of bugs, afaik	Jul 30 03:05
MinceR	redhat used to be benign	Jul 30 03:05
MinceR	but they've turned into yet another m$ wannabe	Jul 30 03:06
MinceR	(as if we didn't have enough of those already)	Jul 30 03:06
DaemonFC	I don't think that's fair.	Jul 30 03:06
oiaohm	Redhat is still fairly benign. Only reason why systemd got as far as it has was not really redhat presume it was simple lack of quality comptition.	Jul 30 03:07
DaemonFC	They're just influential to the point where people give up and use the Red Hat solution because they lack the resources to produce anything better or more coherent.	Jul 30 03:07
MinceR	no, redhat is systematically using their control over gnome and some distros as leverage to force systemd on users and to force kdbus into the official kernel	Jul 30 03:07
oiaohm	Redhat though Ubuntu would have kept on backing upstart.	Jul 30 03:07
oiaohm	So you would have had upstart vs systemd.	Jul 30 03:08
MinceR	and both of those pieces of software are horribly shitty	Jul 30 03:08
DaemonFC	Upstart is worse.	Jul 30 03:08
MinceR	systemd is an enormous tumor of unrelated functionality tied together	Jul 30 03:08
DaemonFC	It was relying on patches that had been refused upstream or not even submitted upstream.	Jul 30 03:08
MinceR	kdbus is a piece of functionality forced into the kernel that does not belong to the kernel	Jul 30 03:08
DaemonFC	To the Linux kernel, that is.	Jul 30 03:08
DaemonFC	They had their prefetch method that required a rejected patch, for instance.	Jul 30 03:09
MinceR	in this way, both of them follow typical microsoft principles	Jul 30 03:09
DaemonFC	systemd uses the method that's supported in the vanilla kernel.	Jul 30 03:09
MinceR	so redhat now both makes shoddy products and uses leverage to force them on people	Jul 30 03:09
oiaohm	MinceR: think about it kdbus. You say systemd is forcing it. But every time they have been reject they have gone away and attempted to make it better.	Jul 30 03:09
MinceR	this should be familiar.	Jul 30 03:09
MinceR	oiaohm: the way to make it better is to not make it at all	Jul 30 03:09
oiaohm	MinceR: its not like google with binder where hell the upstream.	Jul 30 03:09
MinceR	oiaohm: if they wanted a good dbus, they should redesign dbus and reimplement it in userspace	Jul 30 03:10
MinceR	oh, and they should have someone other than a closeted winblows fanboy design it	Jul 30 03:10
MinceR	(no, rebooting is not an acceptable way to restart a service.)	Jul 30 03:10
oiaohm	MinceR: there are documented issues with race conditions.	Jul 30 03:11
oiaohm	MinceR: working in userspace.	Jul 30 03:11
MinceR	oiaohm: and throwing the whole thing into the kernel is the only way to solve them?	Jul 30 03:11
MinceR	sounds like a clueless excuse for a software engineer	Jul 30 03:11
oiaohm	There needs to be a part in kernel.	Jul 30 03:11
MinceR	by the way, they could just use TIPC, which is already in the kernel	Jul 30 03:11
oiaohm	MinceR: its like the networking filters in userspace.	Jul 30 03:11
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MinceR	but of course they suffer from a heavy dose of NIH syndrome	Jul 30 03:12
MinceR	also, trying to send >512kB messages through dbus _also_ stinks	Jul 30 03:12
MinceR	it's like there's not a single bit in the whole picture they can get right	Jul 30 03:12
MinceR	they've built the wrong tool in the wrong way, are using it the wrong way and to solve the issue, they're trying to build in an even more wrong way	Jul 30 03:13
oiaohm	MinceR: did you read what TIPC is https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/TIPC	Jul 30 03:13
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-en.wikipedia.org \| TIPC - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia		Jul 30 03:13
MinceR	GNU/Linux wasn't Bizarro OS a while ago	Jul 30 03:13
oiaohm	TIPC is put all control on the network interface.	Jul 30 03:13
MinceR	why does it have to turn into that?	Jul 30 03:13
oiaohm	Basically we need something like TIPC that is purely local.	Jul 30 03:14
cubexyz	Linux still isn't bizarro... look at slackware 12.1 or newer	Jul 30 03:14
DaemonFC	MinceR, There's always one good thing to be said about Microsoft.	Jul 30 03:14
MinceR	and of course, naturally kdbus would come with a systemd dependency	Jul 30 03:14
DaemonFC	"It could be worse. At least they're not Apple."	Jul 30 03:14
MinceR	because whatever from redcrap would possibly not come with a systemd dependency?	Jul 30 03:14
MinceR	DaemonFC: that might not be worse, as crApple seems to be significantly less effective, especially since the death of their demigod	Jul 30 03:14
oiaohm	MinceR: there has been a lot of debate about Linux IPC.	Jul 30 03:14
MinceR	(their god is, of course, The Almighty Money)	Jul 30 03:14
oiaohm	MinceR: the result is yes Linux kernel needs another one.	Jul 30 03:14
MinceR	oiaohm: no kidding	Jul 30 03:15
MinceR	ooh, it has to go into the kernel	Jul 30 03:15
MinceR	oiaohm: when will the "debate" result in that the kernel also needs a service manager, a windowing system, an email client, a kitchen sink and a flat tire built into it too?	Jul 30 03:15
oiaohm	You need autostart/restart MinceR like the v4l and network stack extentions in userspace has.	Jul 30 03:16
MinceR	if Linux "needs" kdbus, then perhaps i "need" to consider moving to NetBSD.	Jul 30 03:16
cubexyz	how about a way to reset the text console? :)	Jul 30 03:16
MinceR	i'd need autostart/restart if the service as buggy	Jul 30 03:16
MinceR	they should fix their code instead of leaning on the reset button.	Jul 30 03:16
MinceR	that is, if they didn't want to be microsoft	Jul 30 03:16
DaemonFC	The iPhone has been languishing for years.	Jul 30 03:16
oiaohm	MinceR: service does not have to be buggy bad ram.	Jul 30 03:16
DaemonFC	1 GB of RAM and 16 GB of storage is not OK on a $650 phone.	Jul 30 03:17
MinceR	also, autostart/restart isn't exactly rocket science.	Jul 30 03:17
oiaohm	MinceR: Linux kernel can detect bad ram and restart a driver that had a block.	Jul 30 03:17
MinceR	a few lines of shell script could do the job.	Jul 30 03:17
MinceR	restartd could do the job.	Jul 30 03:17
oiaohm	MinceR: it when it got to start.	Jul 30 03:17
MinceR	oiaohm: so, we should move all applications to the kernel so the kernel can restart them too?	Jul 30 03:17
MinceR	oiaohm: the OS you're looking for already exists: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/TempleOS	Jul 30 03:18
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-en.wikipedia.org \| TempleOS - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia		Jul 30 03:18
MinceR	"ring-0-only"	Jul 30 03:18
DaemonFC	Some people defend them by saying "But they control the OS and the hardware." as if that means it's more efficient.	Jul 30 03:18
MinceR	with their control, they've ensured that both are unusably crap	Jul 30 03:18
cubexyz	I used to hear talk like that from Amiga people	Jul 30 03:18
MinceR	good job, apple!	Jul 30 03:18
oiaohm	MinceR: so a network filter when do you start that MinceR	Jul 30 03:18
DaemonFC	But iOS apps are about 2-3 times larger than Android ones, because on Android, the only code that ends up on your device is the code for your device.	Jul 30 03:19
oiaohm	a userspace network filter MinceR	Jul 30 03:19
MinceR	oiaohm: is kdbus one of those?	Jul 30 03:19
oiaohm	This is the best way to explain the problem.	Jul 30 03:19
oiaohm	The reason why tipc was suggest is that it can be a network filter and auto started.	Jul 30 03:20
MinceR	maybe HURD already has a userspace network filter	Jul 30 03:20
oiaohm	Linux has userspace network filters.	Jul 30 03:20
oiaohm	I am sticking to pure Linux MinceR	Jul 30 03:20
MinceR	so, why do we need yet another daemon moved into the kernel?	Jul 30 03:20
oiaohm	The Linux kernel starts the network filter when the network has traffic also stops the network when there is no traffic.	Jul 30 03:21
MinceR	also, the fix to bad ram is not "run everything in ring 0"	Jul 30 03:21
MinceR	the fix to bad ram is to replace it, hopefully with ECC ram.	Jul 30 03:21
oiaohm	There is no ipc based auto start. That application starts sending to a ipc and the kernel goes hey I need to wake X up.	Jul 30 03:21
MinceR	"ipc based auto start" was made up as an excuse for systemd	Jul 30 03:22
MinceR	they call it "dbus activation" or something.	Jul 30 03:22
oiaohm	99 percent kdbus really does not need to be in kernel.	Jul 30 03:22
MinceR	well, there you have it	Jul 30 03:22
MinceR	kdbus doesn't need to be in the kernel.	Jul 30 03:22
oiaohm	dbus activation has been race coditioning.	Jul 30 03:22
MinceR	maybe something small that actually does something that's impractical to do in userspace needs to be	Jul 30 03:23
oiaohm	And issue with reconnections.	Jul 30 03:23
MinceR	kdbus is not it.	Jul 30 03:23
MinceR	if we want dbus to be so resilient, why does the damn thing require a reboot to restart?	Jul 30 03:23
oiaohm	The thing is wayland you can restart the comositor without upsetting the connected applications.	Jul 30 03:24
MinceR	maybe redhat could sell a little motorized device that presses the reset button every n seconds and name it "lennartd"	Jul 30 03:24
oiaohm	But wayland todo that has implemented extras in kernelspace.	Jul 30 03:24
MinceR	reboots are so cool and "modern", everybody should have them all the time!	Jul 30 03:24
MinceR	naturally, the toxic wayland design also wants in on the action	Jul 30 03:24
MinceR	like i said, kmutter is coming	Jul 30 03:24
MinceR	just like windows nt!	Jul 30 03:25
cubexyz	server uptime: 264 days openbsd uptime: 204 days	Jul 30 03:25
oiaohm	MinceR: you have to restart services as updates come in.	Jul 30 03:25
MinceR	i can do them when i think is right.	Jul 30 03:26
oiaohm	What is lacking is a IPC that works for service restarting.	Jul 30 03:26
MinceR	and what makes that need to be in the kernel?	Jul 30 03:26
MinceR	userspace can't see when someone disconnects from a socket?	Jul 30 03:26
MinceR	am i imagining the "Broken pipe" error message?	Jul 30 03:26
oiaohm	Broken is the keyword.	Jul 30 03:27
MinceR	yes, it seems to be the primary design principle	Jul 30 03:27
oiaohm	All messages that were in the pipe are lost.	Jul 30 03:27
MinceR	Let's Break Things Better	Jul 30 03:27
oiaohm	And the application sending messages don't know what ones made it.	Jul 30 03:28
MinceR	if only there was a way to re-send messages	Jul 30 03:28
MinceR	it would be really useful on the network	Jul 30 03:28
MinceR	they could call the implementation TCP	Jul 30 03:28
oiaohm	re-sending messages is how TCP can cause major network congistion.	Jul 30 03:28
MinceR	good thing a bug in kdbus can't cause the system to hang	Jul 30 03:28
MinceR	because ring 0 is the safest ring to do stuff in	Jul 30 03:29
oiaohm	fd sealing that wayland users	Jul 30 03:29
oiaohm	Allows you to know what fd the compositor picked up before it died.	Jul 30 03:29
oiaohm	Picked up and processed before it died.	Jul 30 03:30
MinceR	good things applications never die, so client-side decorations are reliable	Jul 30 03:31
MinceR	oh wait	Jul 30 03:31
MinceR	it's interesting that certain failure modes are only ever considered to exist when they're a convenient excuse for forcing lendows on people	Jul 30 03:31
MinceR	whenever they're not, they'll never be guarded against in any way	Jul 30 03:31
MinceR	i might as well just run Red Hat 7 and reboot whenever something goes wrong -- i'd accomplish the exact same thing, with the exact same number of reboots, with a fraction of the code	Jul 30 03:33
MinceR	(not RHEL 7)	Jul 30 03:33
oiaohm	MinceR: the fd locking wayland uses works both ways.	Jul 30 03:34
oiaohm	If an application is dies and is killed by kernel wayland compositor finds because the locks on the fd change to reflect that.	Jul 30 03:34
oiaohm	MinceR: wayland has these days client-side and server side decorations.	Jul 30 03:40
MinceR	afaik only kde's implementation supports SSD	Jul 30 03:41
MinceR	the others (especially gnome) only seem to be interested in putting shit in title bars	Jul 30 03:41
MinceR	(maybe they used the ribbon ui too much and it broke their brains)	Jul 30 03:41
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oiaohm	MinceR: http://blog.martin-graesslin.com/blog/2013/02/client-side-window-decorations-and-wayland/	Jul 30 04:02
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oiaohm	MinceR: problem here is client side decorations to make sense from a performance point of view.	Jul 30 04:02
oiaohm	MinceR: server side decorations main advantage is kill/resize buttons work.	Jul 30 04:03
oiaohm	Now if gnome and others using client side had added like some extra means to kill applications Less of a problem.	Jul 30 04:04
cubexyz	oiaohm, I just realized something about KDE	Jul 30 04:07
cubexyz	if one runs KDE 1.X applications on KDE 3.5 you can't talk to them via dcop	Jul 30 04:08
cubexyz	not a big deal, but interesting	Jul 30 04:08
oiaohm	Fun is my mixed state between KDE 4.x and KDE 5.x I have at moment.	Jul 30 04:08
oiaohm	KDE 5 network status tool does not work with KDE 4 plasma.	Jul 30 04:09
oiaohm	Than you gtk nm-applet	Jul 30 04:09
oiaohm	then off course kdeinit4 does not start kwin_x11 (that is KDE 5)	Jul 30 04:10
oiaohm	by default.	Jul 30 04:10
cubexyz	why not just run KDE 4 and KDE 5 on different machines?	Jul 30 04:11
cubexyz	just curious why you're combining them	Jul 30 04:11
oiaohm	The cause of combining is debian testing	Jul 30 04:11
oiaohm	I am only using packages that are in debian testing.	Jul 30 04:11
oiaohm	I could get all of KDE 5 if I went sid or I could have KDE 4 if I forced back to stable.	Jul 30 04:12
oiaohm	cubexyz: change over is a bitch basically.	Jul 30 04:12
cubexyz	hmmm, well I did combine parts of KDE 1.X and KDE 3.5.10	Jul 30 04:12
cubexyz	due to orphaned KDE 1 programs	Jul 30 04:13
cubexyz	and I combined icewm with klipper :)	Jul 30 04:13
oiaohm	My current system has some KDE 3.5 applications and KDE 4.x and KDE 5.x	Jul 30 04:14
oiaohm	I don't think I have any kde 1.x left.	Jul 30 04:14
cubexyz	dcop wasn't very well documented	Jul 30 04:17
cubexyz	I'm still learning new things about it KDE 3.X	Jul 30 04:18
cubexyz	I'm quite proud of this:	Jul 30 04:19
cubexyz	http://www.maxhost.org/other/mwm-desktop-of-the-future.png	Jul 30 04:19
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cubexyz	when did dcop first appear, anyone know?	Jul 30 04:21
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cubexyz	ah, KDE 3	Jul 30 04:24
cubexyz	it's kind of got silly with the continual upgrades	Jul 30 04:25
oiaohm	cubexyz: Linux desktops have got a lot more functional.	Jul 30 04:26
cubexyz	too many bloated memory hogs	Jul 30 04:26
cubexyz	overly complex	Jul 30 04:26
cubexyz	fortunately distro watch keeps one abreast of distros appropriate for older hardware	Jul 30 04:28
cubexyz	openbsd still works on microvax	Jul 30 04:28
cubexyz	that's why I kind of lost interest in new KDE... it was just too slow on older hardware	Jul 30 04:29
cubexyz	so I replaced most of KDE 3.5.10 with icewm but still used some parts like klipper	Jul 30 04:29
oiaohm	Since these days I run fairly powerful hardware KDE does not bother me.	Jul 30 04:30
cubexyz	http://www.maxhost.org/other/compare-all-wms.png	Jul 30 04:30
oiaohm	Back when I was using smaller systems I did use smaller wm.	Jul 30 04:30
oiaohm	cubexyz: that chart is getting a bit old.	Jul 30 04:31
cubexyz	also I've noticed P3 based machines lasted longer than P4's	Jul 30 04:31
oiaohm	https://flexion.org/posts/2014-03-memory-consumption-of-linux-desktop-environments.html	Jul 30 04:33
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oiaohm	cubexyz: KDE has been reducing its memory usage.	Jul 30 04:33
cubexyz	oiaohm, there's significant pollution caused by chip fabrication	Jul 30 04:33
oiaohm	But its still huge.	Jul 30 04:33
cubexyz	it makes sense to reuse and repurpose older computers (within reason of course)	Jul 30 04:33
cubexyz	acetone, arsenic, trichloroethylene all mess up the water table	Jul 30 04:34
msb_	This is my favorite computer: http://cosmicpenguin.com/images/pc_of_future.jpg	Jul 30 04:34
cubexyz	I just knew that old fart programmed in Fortran :)	Jul 30 04:35
msb_	I used to program in Fortran when I was a young fart.	Jul 30 04:36
cubexyz	it's still used in some places	Jul 30 04:36
cubexyz	oiaohm, all those DE's kind of suck memory-wise	Jul 30 04:38
cubexyz	I can run mwm... no real DE there	Jul 30 04:40
cubexyz	XFCE can only be considered light in comparison to KDE	Jul 30 04:44
cubexyz	icewm is quite useable... 4.5 megs	Jul 30 04:44
cubexyz	I used icewm on openbsd as well	Jul 30 04:44
cubexyz	ther's LKM I probably don't need but vector linux loads them anyway	Jul 30 04:46
cubexyz	pretty sure I don't need sunprc	Jul 30 04:46
cubexyz	sunrpc	Jul 30 04:46
oiaohm	cubexyz: part of the reason for running mix of KDE 4 and 5 is memory usage.	Jul 30 05:17
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DaemonFC	https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Rvn6mCzRRpU	Jul 30 07:17
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DaemonFC	Ryan Farmer	Jul 30 07:20
DaemonFC	Just now ·	Jul 30 07:20
DaemonFC	"The Xbox Live Auth Manager service terminated with the following service-specific error: The operation completed successfully."	Jul 30 07:20
DaemonFC	Ahhh, Microsoft.	Jul 30 07:20
DaemonFC	http://www.howtogeek.com/210589/mac-os-x-isn%E2%80%99t-safe-anymore-the-crapware-malware-epidemic-has-begun/	Jul 30 07:38
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DaemonFC	Apparently there are so many open Firefox bugs in the Windows 10 tracker bug that users should just assume that Firefox isn't usable on Windows 10 at the moment.	Jul 30 07:45
DaemonFC	https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1077146	Jul 30 07:46
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-bugzilla.mozilla.org \| 1077146 – (windows-10) [tracking] Windows 10 issues [ http://ur1.ca/naxnw ]		Jul 30 07:46
DaemonFC	How the hell this could happen is anyone's guess. I'm assuming that Mozilla could have set up some computers with the Windows 10 tech previews on them to figure out the obvious ones, like Facebook being totally broken.	Jul 30 07:47
DaemonFC	https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1180009	Jul 30 08:10
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DaemonFC	A security problem with Firefox under Windows 10.	Jul 30 08:10
DaemonFC	http://www.theregister.co.uk/2015/05/06/microsoft_edge_extensibility/	Jul 30 08:20
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DaemonFC	I tried it out. It is a very basic browser. It almost felt like the very early days of Google Chrome.	Jul 30 08:20
DaemonFC	It's pretty half-baked. It feels like they got it up to the bare minimum that could be called a web browser and then gave up and released it that way.	Jul 30 08:23
DaemonFC	http://www.theregister.co.uk/2015/07/20/court_to_hear_microsoft_irs_tax_dispute/	Jul 30 08:26
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.theregister.co.uk \| The US taxman thinks Microsoft owes billions. Prove it, says Microsoft • The Register [ http://ur1.ca/naxz9 ]		Jul 30 08:26
schestowitz	DaemonFC: ah	Jul 30 09:03
schestowitz	MS sued them	Jul 30 09:03
schestowitz	to scare them	Jul 30 09:04
DaemonFC	The IRS?	Jul 30 09:04
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cubexyz	too much microsoft blah blah	Jul 30 09:12
cubexyz	I'm going to concentrate on BSD/Linux/Other	Jul 30 09:12
schestowitz	yeah, media blurbs	Jul 30 09:16
schestowitz	manufactured by Microsoft	Jul 30 09:16
schestowitz	cubexyz: I will write about vista10 later today	Jul 30 09:30
schestowitz	in case you read the front page of the site, many of the links there come from IRC :-)	Jul 30 09:30
schestowitz	because since ages ago I no longer keep track of MS news	Jul 30 09:31
schestowitz	since 2010 I think.... when I stopped	Jul 30 09:31
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schestowitz	"I thought you were implying Fedora itself was GNU. There’s that Freedora thing but that’s pretty shady imo."	Jul 30 09:37
schestowitz	https://joindiaspora.com/posts/6399778	Jul 30 09:37
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: #Fedora23 will feature a Cinnamon Spin http://linuxbsdos.com/2015/07/28/fedora-23-will-feature-a-cinnamon-spin/ #fedora #redhat #gnu #linux		Jul 30 09:37
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schestowitz	I use the GNU hashtag a lot to give credit	Jul 30 09:37
schestowitz	MinceR: https://joindiaspora.com/posts/6403300	Jul 30 09:37
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: "I think "humane"/"inhumane" are misleading because they imply that humans are wired to be good"- MinceR, #techrights		Jul 30 09:37
schestowitz	"	Jul 30 09:37
schestowitz	I would challenge the use of the word ‘wired’ in that sentence.	Jul 30 09:37
schestowitz	Certainly, as a species, under the present system of social organization we are demonstrating that we are not only not fit to survive, but unworthy to survive. That says nothing, however, about the potential that has been discarded by that system.	Jul 30 09:37
schestowitz	"	Jul 30 09:37
schestowitz	https://joindiaspora.com/posts/6403288	Jul 30 09:37
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: #microsoft back doors... in a SAFE! http://thenextweb.com/gadgets/2015/07/28/robbed-in-60-seconds/ http://techrights.org/wiki/index.php/Microsoft_and_the_NSA who came up with such a horrible idea?!		Jul 30 09:37
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights--> thenextweb.com \| Brinks safe runs Windows XP, can be hacked in 60 seconds… [ http://ur1.ca/naeex ]		Jul 30 09:37
schestowitz	"Excellent. I need to find one of those and hack it.	Jul 30 09:37
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schestowitz	"	Jul 30 09:37
schestowitz	https://joindiaspora.com/posts/6400257	Jul 30 09:38
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: Assault on #anonymous (cash) payments: "consumers have to pay a fee whenever they want to withdraw cash" https://joindiaspora.com/posts/6399548 #sweden		Jul 30 09:38
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: In #sweden "banks don't want to pay the 'expense' of handling cash," iopkh shows http://www.svd.se/pengar-problem-i-kontanthanteringen/om/debatten-om-kontanterna		Jul 30 09:38
schestowitz	"can be standard in Austria, depending on the deal you’ve got. There are fixed monthly fee models as well as the ‘pay per transaction’ model… since at least more than 20 years now."	Jul 30 09:38
schestowitz	Now I realise how lucky we are to be able to do this freely at any ATM (the banks allow customers to use each other's ATMs freely)	Jul 30 09:38
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Ubuntu Touch Finally Gets a Regression Fix for	Jul 30 09:42
TweetTuxMachines	Nexus 4 and Aquaris Phones	Jul 30 09:42
TweetTuxMachines	http://t.co/yOUDtRPPHl (linux.softpedia.com)	Jul 30 09:42
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Carrier adds Arduino and MCU hooks to Zynq	Jul 30 09:49
TweetTuxMachines	ARM/FPGA COM http://t.co/h4KFIQf4KC	Jul 30 09:49
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines An Everyday Linux User Review Of Android x86 -	Jul 30 09:49
TweetTuxMachines	Release 4.4 r3 http://t.co/EMF2c4fZHr	Jul 30 09:49
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Battle of the sub-$450 Android phones: ZTE Axon	Jul 30 09:49
TweetTuxMachines	vs OnePlus 2 vs Moto X Style	Jul 30 09:49
TweetTuxMachines	http://t.co/9yv5AuATb6 (www.zdnet.com)	Jul 30 09:49
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines The AMD Radeon R9 Fury Is Currently A Disaster	Jul 30 09:49
TweetTuxMachines	On Linux http://t.co/yAM4kFLW8v	Jul 30 09:49
TweetTuxMachines	(www.phoronix.com) one to avoid then.	Jul 30 09:49
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Remix Mini Is the First Android PC, Runs	Jul 30 10:10
TweetTuxMachines	Lollipop-Based Remix OS http://t.co/15lp4APOWa	Jul 30 10:10
TweetTuxMachines	(news.softpedia.com)	Jul 30 10:10
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schestowitz	https://twitter.com/LadyKorenwolf/status/626683547101855744	Jul 30 10:21
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@LadyKorenwolf: .@schestowitz when a US policer officer shoots someone & says "I had no choice" I wonder what they would have done if they hadn't had a gun		Jul 30 10:21
schestowitz	An armed policeman is more likely to be shot at. Shooting at an unarmed cop is cowardly and often not necessary for one's defence.	Jul 30 10:22
schestowitz	https://twitter.com/LadyKorenwolf/status/626683978196586496	Jul 30 10:23
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@LadyKorenwolf: @schestowitz "I was cornered & he was threatening me w/ a pen" was, I believe, excuse for killing a mentally disturbed man in a wheelchair		Jul 30 10:23
schestowitz	https://twitter.com/LadyKorenwolf/status/626684249878478848	Jul 30 10:23
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@LadyKorenwolf: @schestowitz use of a firearm should always be the absolute last resort & only for defence (of self or another)		Jul 30 10:23
schestowitz	Works in theory, when you assume equal value of life for all	Jul 30 10:23
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oiaohm	schestowitz: presuming that unarmed policeman are safe is kinda wrong. Unarmed people would not get shot in crimes if the theory held.	Jul 30 11:01
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oiaohm	schestowitz: http://electronics.howstuffworks.com/gadgets/other-gadgets/taser-shotgun-shell.htm This tech is interesting.	Jul 30 11:09
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines i.MX6 hacker board features M.2 and wide-range	Jul 30 11:53
TweetTuxMachines	power http://t.co/awYqqUByv0	Jul 30 11:53
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Free software advocates heckle town of Pesaro	Jul 30 11:53
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MinceR	oiaohm: yes, i know, like their idols at m$, the only thing that matters to these ricers is that it must be faster	Jul 30 13:15
MinceR	(even if they give everything up for the sake of performance and then performance still sucks)	Jul 30 13:15
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schestowitz	oiaohm: wow	Jul 30 13:27
schestowitz	how horrid	Jul 30 13:27
schestowitz	[11:01] <oiaohm> schestowitz: presuming that unarmed policeman are safe is kinda wrong. Unarmed people would not get shot in crimes if the theory held.	Jul 30 13:28
schestowitz	if citizens assume that the police are armed, they're more likely to arm themselves	Jul 30 13:28
schestowitz	it's an arms race	Jul 30 13:29
cubexyz	redhat had it's 20 year anniversary this year	Jul 30 13:30
cubexyz	I don't think anyone noticed :)	Jul 30 13:30
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Remembering Nóirín Plunkett	Jul 30 13:31
TweetTuxMachines	http://t.co/5WbDThkUgB (www.tuxmachines.org)	Jul 30 13:31
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Ubuntu MATE Will Offer a Choice Between Ubuntu	Jul 30 13:31
TweetTuxMachines	Software Center and App Grid	Jul 30 13:31
TweetTuxMachines	http://t.co/qh3e7XemXN (www.tuxmachines.org)	Jul 30 13:31
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Parsix 8.0 Test 2 Is Based on Debian Testing	Jul 30 13:31
TweetTuxMachines	and GNOME 3.16 http://t.co/baJeFFcFcK	Jul 30 13:31
TweetTuxMachines	(www.tuxmachines.org)	Jul 30 13:31
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/nb0ph	Jul 30 13:31
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oiaohm	schestowitz: yes its an arms race. Problem here UK has had unarmed police for long time has not prevent them being shot.	Jul 30 13:42
MinceR	the harms race	Jul 30 13:46
schestowitz	https://twitter.com/ppetrovdotnet/status/626734919356653568	Jul 30 13:47
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@ppetrovdotnet: @schestowitz quite poor ... hope not someone first intro to linux in 2015 :(		Jul 30 13:47
schestowitz	oiaohm: doesn't happen much	Jul 30 13:47
schestowitz	it's HUGE news here when police get shot	Jul 30 13:47
schestowitz	two female officers got shot in Manchester about 3 years ago	Jul 30 13:47
schestowitz	it was national news for like a year almost...	Jul 30 13:47
schestowitz	That's not to say that non-cops never get shot	Jul 30 13:48
schestowitz	but it's rare	Jul 30 13:48
schestowitz	crime stats here probably differ a lot from US	Jul 30 13:48
schestowitz	not many fatalities	Jul 30 13:48
schestowitz	drugs, breakins, antisocial behaviour (hardly crime), hate crime, sometimes a stabbing	Jul 30 13:48
schestowitz	or arson/vandalism	Jul 30 13:48
oiaohm	schestowitz: the problem is the class of arms race.	Jul 30 13:49
oiaohm	Currently majority of the arm race has been around making lethal weapons cheap/affordable.	Jul 30 13:49
oiaohm	schestowitz: http://crimepreventionresearchcenter.org/wp-content/uploads/2014/10/Report-on-gun-related-suicides-and-crime-for-the-Australian-Parliament-Rev.pdf This was a report done for Australia.	Jul 30 13:50
schestowitz	does autralia have a gun crime epidemic?	Jul 30 13:50
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oiaohm	Basically it not safe to tell people to act passively it does not work.	Jul 30 13:50
schestowitz	i have not been paying attention to aussie figures, probably because they're not newsworthy	Jul 30 13:50
oiaohm	Australia does have gun crime problems.	Jul 30 13:50
schestowitz	how many fatalities?	Jul 30 13:50
schestowitz	exc. suicides?	Jul 30 13:50
oiaohm	Reduced when laws for commiting crime using guns increased.	Jul 30 13:50
oiaohm	suicide numbers stayed about the same after gun banning but guns disappeared as common method.	Jul 30 13:51
oiaohm	Yes overdoes replaced guns.	Jul 30 13:51
schestowitz	how many fatalities per year per million people?	Jul 30 13:51
schestowitz	Maybe 1?	Jul 30 13:51
schestowitz	In the Uk it's something like 1 or 2	Jul 30 13:51
cubexyz	is crime getting worse?	Jul 30 13:52
schestowitz	in some places it got better	Jul 30 13:52
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oiaohm	schestowitz: Homicides using guns dropped.	Jul 30 13:52
schestowitz	manchester used to have a gun crime issue around the 80s I think, in certain areas with many immigrants	Jul 30 13:52
oiaohm	Robberies using guns after the law cam in increased.	Jul 30 13:52
schestowitz	oiaohm: it's US it's still going up	Jul 30 13:52
oiaohm	But that was mostly until places got licensed secuirty.	Jul 30 13:52
schestowitz	maybe plateaued this year last i saw the graph	Jul 30 13:52
oiaohm	Then the numbers went back down.	Jul 30 13:52
schestowitz	economic downturn won't help	Jul 30 13:53
oiaohm	The thing that the Australian numbers tell us is we need weapons. Preferable of the non lethal class that are affordable and have range.	Jul 30 13:55
MinceR	there's no "non lethal", only "less lethal" or "less likely to be lethal"	Jul 30 13:56
oiaohm	MinceR: there is a non lethal but its big and expensive(so not that functional) tazer/differator combination.	Jul 30 13:58
cubexyz	there was that spray on foam gun	Jul 30 13:58
MinceR	can't that give you a lethal heart attack?	Jul 30 13:58
MinceR	or just kill your pacemaker	Jul 30 13:58
cubexyz	never seen anyone use it though	Jul 30 13:58
oiaohm	MinceR: that is why the combination.	Jul 30 13:59
oiaohm	MinceR: if it kills you pacemaker it contains the system to deal with that.	Jul 30 13:59
MinceR	oh, defibrillator	Jul 30 13:59
MinceR	interesting	Jul 30 13:59
oiaohm	There is also the radio freq that happens to turn all you pain sensors all that is completely useless for those that are extreamlly high on drugs.	Jul 30 14:00
oiaohm	But anyone else will stop tracks as they pass out.	Jul 30 14:01
schestowitz	https://twitter.com/BobSummerwill/status/626738465879658496	Jul 30 14:01
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@BobSummerwill: @schestowitz It does not surprise me that you are all over this. Horrifying situation with these multiple 'trade deals' on the brew		Jul 30 14:01
schestowitz	follow @glynmoody	Jul 30 14:01
MinceR	microwave?	Jul 30 14:01
MinceR	that can cook your eyes	Jul 30 14:01
oiaohm	MinceR: its a lower freq	Jul 30 14:01
oiaohm	Something completely strange that we react to.	Jul 30 14:01
oiaohm	MinceR: problem is it not very directional.	Jul 30 14:03
oiaohm	MinceR: so firing it you will most likely take everyone out.	Jul 30 14:03
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Today in Techrights http://t.co/gPJOuCbl2S	Jul 30 14:04
TweetTuxMachines	(www.tuxmachines.org)	Jul 30 14:04
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/nb0z6	Jul 30 14:04
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Review: Ubuntu 15.04 http://t.co/Bwsdlqud7k	Jul 30 14:04
TweetTuxMachines	(www.pcauthority.com.au)	Jul 30 14:04
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/nb0z7	Jul 30 14:04
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Ubuntu 15.04 On The Tegra X1 Yields Even Better	Jul 30 14:04
TweetTuxMachines	Results, More Benchmarks http://t.co/5JHmUwz9zT	Jul 30 14:04
TweetTuxMachines	(www.phoronix.com)	Jul 30 14:04
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TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/nb0z8	Jul 30 14:04
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Parsix 8.0 Test 2 Is Based on Debian Testing	Jul 30 14:06
TweetTuxMachines	and GNOME 3.16 http://t.co/vxG6N9UkWS	Jul 30 14:06
TweetTuxMachines	(news.softpedia.com)	Jul 30 14:06
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Ubuntu MATE Will Offer a Choice Between Ubuntu	Jul 30 14:06
TweetTuxMachines	Software Center and App Grid	Jul 30 14:06
TweetTuxMachines	http://t.co/SOs24Ye6xi (news.softpedia.com)	Jul 30 14:06
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oiaohm	MinceR: the microwave one is directional.	Jul 30 14:07
oiaohm	MinceR: and harmful.	Jul 30 14:08
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MinceR	http://blog.pluralsight.com/give-me-those-old-time-programmers	Jul 30 14:54
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oiaohm	MinceR: true but programmers building with small open source boards today have to work to same limits.	Jul 30 15:03
oiaohm	MinceR: arduino class items come to mind.	Jul 30 15:04
MinceR	most software is still shit	Jul 30 15:04
oiaohm	Even the old programmers made some crappy programs.	Jul 30 15:06
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Parsix 8.0 Test 2 Is Based on Debian Testing	Jul 30 15:06
TweetTuxMachines	retweeted by and GNOME 3.16 http://t.co/vxG6N9UkWS	Jul 30 15:06
TweetTuxMachines	@ningbojoe (news.softpedia.com)	Jul 30 15:06
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/nb1ho	Jul 30 15:06
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines i.MX6 hacker board features M.2 and wide-range	Jul 30 15:07
MinceR	now crap has become the norm	Jul 30 15:07
TweetTuxMachines	power http://t.co/A3f0gUh7m7 (linuxgizmos.com)	Jul 30 15:07
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TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/nb1hp	Jul 30 15:07
oiaohm	It was cases of nasa with enforced quality control that made most of the impressive stuff.	Jul 30 15:07
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines ROSA R6 "Desktop Fresh" Screencast and	Jul 30 15:07
TweetTuxMachines	Screenshots http://t.co/p1r0d803bO	Jul 30 15:07
TweetTuxMachines	(www.linuxquestions.org)	Jul 30 15:07
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TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/nb1hq	Jul 30 15:07
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines KDE Started Working At Fiber, A New QML-Based	Jul 30 15:09
TweetTuxMachines	Internet Browser http://t.co/Q9PHE67Lfk	Jul 30 15:09
TweetTuxMachines	(linuxg.net)	Jul 30 15:09
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Review: Ubuntu 15.04 http://t.co/RulMSpN1w8	Jul 30 15:10
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Ubuntu 15.04 On The Tegra X1 Yields Even Better	Jul 30 15:10
TweetTuxMachines	Results, More Benchmarks http://t.co/uLB40YQkQE	Jul 30 15:10
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Open Source Usage in Large Enterprises	Jul 30 15:12
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines OpenDaylight Project announces new members	Jul 30 15:12
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TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/nb1jk	Jul 30 15:12
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Porting Qt applications to Wayland	Jul 30 15:21
TweetTuxMachines	http://t.co/jTH34y3BFd	Jul 30 15:21
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Today in Techrights http://t.co/cKCd0vEZtI	Jul 30 15:40
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TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/nb1td	Jul 30 15:40
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines CoreOS CEO: Security is fundamental	Jul 30 15:40
TweetTuxMachines	http://t.co/zjX1VcDUkV (www.infoworld.com)	Jul 30 15:40
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/nb1te	Jul 30 15:40
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MinceR	https://muchweb.me/systemd-nsa-attempt/	Jul 30 16:00
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MinceR	http://img.pr0gramm.com/2015/07/30/3141fe8e90c09114.jpg	Jul 30 16:18
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Linux 4.2 May Finish Fixing Up Radeon Audio	Jul 30 16:19
TweetTuxMachines	Support http://t.co/imvNvTUhOg	Jul 30 16:19
TweetTuxMachines	(www.phoronix.com) http://t.co/yHDiA2SV6M	Jul 30 16:19
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TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/nb25s	Jul 30 16:19
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Systemd Is Launching Its Own Conference	Jul 30 16:19
TweetTuxMachines	http://t.co/8nUCaEWrU0 (www.phoronix.com)	Jul 30 16:19
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Must-Know Linux Commands For New Users	Jul 30 16:19
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Linux 4.2 May Finish Fixing Up Radeon Audio	Jul 30 16:19
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Systemd Is Launching Its Own Conference	Jul 30 16:19
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Kodi 15 Brings XBMC Media Player to Android	Jul 30 16:19
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abeNd-org	kodi, meh, plex for the win!	Jul 30 16:40
schestowitz	https://joindiaspora.com/posts/6405195	Jul 30 16:51
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: #Microsoft 's Mouthpiece Mary Branscombe Tries to Shoot Down Free Software, But Fails Miserably http://techrights.org/2015/07/30/fud-from-mary-branscombe/ #freesw #cbs #zdnet		Jul 30 16:51
schestowitz	"just today i have been written that any software will eventually become free, because otherwise there would appear an analogue of that software which is free, and the first won’t survive competition with the second."	Jul 30 16:51
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights--> techrights.org \| Microsoft’s Mouthpiece Mary Branscombe Tries to Shoot Down Free Software, But Fails Miserably \| Techrights [ http://ur1.ca/nb2fg ]		Jul 30 16:51
schestowitz	https://spyurk.am/posts/1574387	Jul 30 16:52
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schestowitz	Possibly true	Jul 30 16:52
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schestowitz	https://joindiaspora.com/posts/6404420	Jul 30 16:58
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: 500 and counting: websites blocked by order of #UK courts http://ipkitten.blogspot.com/2015/07/500-and-counting-websites-blocked-by.html Tories aping #singapore or #china		Jul 30 16:58
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights--> ipkitten.blogspot.com \| The IPKat: 500 and counting: websites blocked by order of UK courts [ http://ur1.ca/nb2hr ]		Jul 30 16:58
schestowitz	No, just Tories being themselves. I was born in an era when everything was forbidden.""	Jul 30 16:58
schestowitz	Westminster? :-)	Jul 30 16:58
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schestowitz	https://joindiaspora.com/posts/6404540	Jul 30 17:05
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: A lot of #police in #manchester has been substituted with 'gentle' bouncers (usually man and woman) called PCSOs. Nonviolent, better.		Jul 30 17:05
schestowitz	"Non-violent societies have non-violent policemen. One is a consequence of the other."	Jul 30 17:05
schestowitz	https://joindiaspora.com/posts/6404528	Jul 30 17:08
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: Suing someone for broken wrist after punching him/her? It gets worse. Suing for bleeding on you after your assault http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2015/07/29/ferguson-prisoner-beaten-by-cops-has-won-his-appeal.html		Jul 30 17:08
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schestowitz	"If it looks like a totalitarian State, hears like a totalitarian State and smells like a totalitarian State, it might be a totalitarian State."	Jul 30 17:08
schestowitz	Makes even Mexico look safe...	Jul 30 17:09
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schestowitz	> x	Jul 30 17:19
schestowitz	> http://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2015/07/review-windows-10-is-the-best-version-yet-once-the-bugs-get-fixed/	Jul 30 17:19
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schestowitz	>	Jul 30 17:19
schestowitz	> "This versions is the $superlative yet" formula	Jul 30 17:19
schestowitz	Spam: #microsoft Peter ‘reviews’ Microsoft #vista10 http://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2015/07/review-windows-10-is-the-best-version-yet-once-the-bugs-get-fixed/ that’s like Chrysler reviewing Chrysler	Jul 30 17:19
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schestowitz	https://twitter.com/FrancisJeffrey7/status/626795191110926336	Jul 30 17:49
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@FrancisJeffrey7: @schestowitz Global "insiders" feeding on #snitchocracy & #snatchocracy, will not soon give up fight for their illegitimate power & profit.		Jul 30 17:49
schestowitz	https://twitter.com/SleepyPenguin1/status/626796844052381696	Jul 30 17:50
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@SleepyPenguin1: Does the Kremlin have a new way of hacking the West ? @ruskin147 @schestowitz http://t.co/Br4I0spUde		Jul 30 17:50
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schestowitz	hypocrites and crackers on both sides	Jul 30 17:51
schestowitz	https://twitter.com/SleepyPenguin1/status/626797584347213825	Jul 30 17:54
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@SleepyPenguin1: @schestowitz @ruskin147 Yes. Does look a bit like that...		Jul 30 17:54
schestowitz	That's like a Kremlin-based firm whining over NSA.... in this case, the US-based one also Chinophobic (for years now). And FP=Pentagon PR.	Jul 30 17:55
schestowitz	https://twitter.com/brokenrib/status/626798275379662848	Jul 30 17:56
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@brokenrib: @schestowitz have you send Maafra21? Documenting PPH stemming directly from 19th early 20th century eugenics movement. Sterilizing folks...		Jul 30 17:56
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schestowitz	https://twitter.com/brokenrib/status/626798571505872896	Jul 30 17:57
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@brokenrib: @schestowitz sry it's @maafa21		Jul 30 17:57
schestowitz	https://twitter.com/SleepyPenguin1/status/626798682239827968	Jul 30 17:57
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@SleepyPenguin1: @schestowitz @ruskin147 Yes...		Jul 30 17:57
schestowitz	Problem is, #china and #russia oppressive enough to scare potential dissent, domestic complaints over cracking	Jul 30 17:58
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Webconverger 31 Kiosk OS Is Now Using Firefox	Jul 30 18:10
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines LibreOffice 4.4.5 "Still" Arrives with Over 80	Jul 30 18:10
TweetTuxMachines	Fixes http://t.co/61KyCwuOlH	Jul 30 18:10
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines HP ProBook 455 G2 Ubuntu review: It's	Jul 30 18:10
TweetTuxMachines	dirt-cheap, but this budget laptop may not be	Jul 30 18:10
TweetTuxMachines	your dream come true http://t.co/JNyVxOqX1A	Jul 30 18:10
TweetTuxMachines	(www.tuxmachines.org)	Jul 30 18:10
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines 10 Job Interview Questions for Linux System	Jul 30 18:21
TweetTuxMachines	Administrators http://t.co/ivNQBdpjos	Jul 30 18:21
TweetTuxMachines	(www.linux.com)	Jul 30 18:21
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Elive 2.6.8 beta released	Jul 30 18:21
TweetTuxMachines	http://t.co/rzxPurkDaI (www.elivecd.org)	Jul 30 18:21
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Kodi 15 Brings XBMC Media Player to Android	Jul 30 18:21
TweetTuxMachines	http://t.co/2SOIu6ZiKJ (www.linux.com)	Jul 30 18:21
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines HP ProBook 455 G2 Ubuntu review: It's	Jul 30 18:29
TweetTuxMachines	dirt-cheap, but this budget laptop may not be	Jul 30 18:29
TweetTuxMachines	your dream come true http://t.co/twf1HSERf2	Jul 30 18:29
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Leftovers: SysAdmins/Servers	Jul 30 18:29
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schestowitz	https://twitter.com/karounos/status/626818209920995329	Jul 30 19:16
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@karounos: “@schestowitz: Granite Geek: Open Source #Hardware http://t.co/0rT6qvFEo5 #sharing designs, modding” @eellak @DSpinellis @adeligia		Jul 30 19:16
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schestowitz	https://twitter.com/karounos/status/626818673869725696	Jul 30 19:17
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@karounos: “@schestowitz: Open Source #FPGA Toolchain Builds CPU http://t.co/Fykrk4Ek8s” @eellak @DSpinellis @adeligia @kranidiotis		Jul 30 19:17
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schestowitz	https://twitter.com/cheekbyname/status/626820734871076864	Jul 30 19:27
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@cheekbyname: @schestowitz Running fine alongside my Debian Jessie install (grub), although they're on separate drives and it boots off the Debian one.		Jul 30 19:27
schestowitz	co-existing on CPU, not a hard drive :-)	Jul 30 19:27
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schestowitz	https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/626823245895991296	Jul 30 19:39
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz: When people love their precious "bible" more than they love people they may actually follow commands from the bible and murder people		Jul 30 19:39
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schestowitz	https://twitter.com/Winterbay_/status/626834512320811008	Jul 30 20:38
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@Winterbay_: @LadyKorenwolf @schestowitz I'm always confused as to why they don't shoot in legs or similar rather than fatal body areas...		Jul 30 20:38
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Elive 2.6.8 beta released	Jul 30 20:38
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines DragonFlyBSD Has Full-Acceleration Now Working	Jul 30 20:38
TweetTuxMachines	For Intel Broadwell Graphics	Jul 30 20:38
TweetTuxMachines	http://t.co/G6DfyL5L3b (www.tuxmachines.org)	Jul 30 20:38
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schestowitz	The shot-at is witness/evidence, so better dead if abused	Jul 30 20:38
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Links 30/7/2015: Apache Spark on Z System,	Jul 30 20:38
TweetTuxMachines	Elive 2.6.8 Beta http://t.co/SF4A4cwR1C	Jul 30 20:38
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Security Leftovers http://t.co/M0y4KLd9wS	Jul 30 20:38
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Leftovers: OSS http://t.co/dVaCXZIu3b	Jul 30 20:39
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines today's howtos http://t.co/gK1RKByTOo	Jul 30 20:39
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Leftovers: Software http://t.co/h3F4Miy0kn	Jul 30 20:49
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines today's leftovers http://t.co/vgxBaA9HsW	Jul 30 20:49
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines We're happy to announce the general	Jul 30 20:49
TweetTuxMachines	availability of Oracle Linux 6 Update 7, the	Jul 30 20:49
TweetTuxMachines	seventh update release for Oracl...	Jul 30 20:49
TweetTuxMachines	https://t.co/OPLPVqwQot (joindiaspora.com)	Jul 30 20:49
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Announcing the general availability of Oracle	Jul 30 21:04
TweetTuxMachines	Linux 6.7 https://t.co/vM6bm3k2Xp	Jul 30 21:04
TweetTuxMachines	(blogs.oracle.com)	Jul 30 21:04
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-blogs.oracle.com \| Announcing the general availability of Oracle Linux 6.7 (Oracle's Linux Blog)		Jul 30 21:04
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Ubuntu MATE 15.04 Alpha 2 Officially Lands	Jul 30 21:04
TweetTuxMachines	Without Ubuntu Software Center	Jul 30 21:04
TweetTuxMachines	http://t.co/VnGqc7fMbg (news.softpedia.com)	Jul 30 21:04
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Fedora's Rawhide Kernel Adds In KDBUS Support,	Jul 30 21:04
TweetTuxMachines	Ready For Testing http://t.co/NJCkumfPuH	Jul 30 21:04
TweetTuxMachines	(www.phoronix.com)	Jul 30 21:04
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Gnumeric 1.12.23 Open Source Spreadsheet Editor	Jul 30 21:05
TweetTuxMachines	Brings Fuzzed File Hardening	Jul 30 21:05
TweetTuxMachines	http://t.co/LWJV8Ow5rm (news.softpedia.com)	Jul 30 21:05
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DaemonFC	http://www.theregister.co.uk/2015/07/29/windows_10_bug_alert_start_menu_breaks_512_entries/	Jul 30 21:14
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.theregister.co.uk \| MORE Windows 10 bugs! Too many Start menu apps BREAK it • The Register [ http://ur1.ca/nb51f ]		Jul 30 21:14
DaemonFC	If you have more than 512 entries in the Windows 10 start menu, it has a thermonuclear meltdown.	Jul 30 21:14
DaemonFC	Removing some apps won't fix the start menu once you've triggered the bug.	Jul 30 21:15
DaemonFC	https://www.stardock.com/products/start10/	Jul 30 21:17
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.stardock.com \| Start10, the first Windows 10 Start menu alternative! [ http://ur1.ca/nb52q ]		Jul 30 21:17
schestowitz	https://twitter.com/Winterbay_/status/626847645458432000	Jul 30 21:17
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@Winterbay_: @schestowitz @LadyKorenwolf That says an awful lot about the mindset of the shooters and it is a very sad picture it paints.		Jul 30 21:17
DaemonFC	It looks like the replacement Start Menu business will keep booming for Stardock since the one in Windows 10 is garbage.	Jul 30 21:18
schestowitz	do you use that drek?	Jul 30 21:18
DaemonFC	It's on this computer.	Jul 30 21:19
MinceR	:>	Jul 30 21:19
MinceR	can't you just disinfect it?	Jul 30 21:19
DaemonFC	HexChat doesn't appear to know what Windows 10 is.	Jul 30 21:19
DaemonFC	It still reports "Windows 8".	Jul 30 21:19
DaemonFC	Windows 10 has broken Firefox to the point where it's not even usable.	Jul 30 21:19
MinceR	why does it even care?	Jul 30 21:19
DaemonFC	MinceR, It works fine, but if you have a script or something that checks what OS it's on, it'll say Windows 8.	Jul 30 21:19
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Samsung docs detail Linux TRIM bug and fix	Jul 30 21:31
TweetTuxMachines	http://t.co/Eupa9nPeHt (techreport.com)	Jul 30 21:31
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techreport.com \| Samsung docs detail Linux TRIM bug and fix - The Tech Report		Jul 30 21:31
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Upgrading Fedora Easily To Mesa 10.7/Git	Jul 30 21:31
TweetTuxMachines	http://t.co/jJrO7wJ8W3 (www.phoronix.com)	Jul 30 21:31
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines More Reliable Upgrades Hoped For With Fedora 23	Jul 30 21:31
TweetTuxMachines	http://t.co/wViPrIiemV (www.phoronix.com)	Jul 30 21:31
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.phoronix.com \| More Reliable Upgrades Hoped For With Fedora 23 - Phoronix		Jul 30 21:31
DaemonFC	Ryan Farmer	Jul 30 21:36
DaemonFC	Just now ·	Jul 30 21:36
DaemonFC	Apparently, the Windows 10 Hangover is still unfolding.	Jul 30 21:36
DaemonFC	The new error message from the installer is making the rounds as a new internet meme.	Jul 30 21:36
DaemonFC	"Something happened. Something happened."	Jul 30 21:36
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Motorola launches 3 new Android phones with	Jul 30 21:38
TweetTuxMachines	'amazing value' http://t.co/IMu2yArP9h	Jul 30 21:38
TweetTuxMachines	(www.computerworld.com)	Jul 30 21:38
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.computerworld.com \| Motorola launches 3 new Android phones with 'amazing value' \| Computerworld		Jul 30 21:38
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Gionee Pioneer P2M With Android 5.1 Lollipop,	Jul 30 21:38
TweetTuxMachines	3000mAh Battery Launched at Rs. 6,999	Jul 30 21:38
TweetTuxMachines	http://t.co/S858nuh2Sm (gadgets.ndtv.com)	Jul 30 21:38
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-gadgets.ndtv.com \| Gionee Pioneer P2M With Android 5.1 Lollipop, 3000mAh Battery Launched at Rs. 6,999 \| NDTV Gadgets		Jul 30 21:38
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Samsung Galaxy Folder Android Flip Phone With	Jul 30 21:39
TweetTuxMachines	3.8-Inch Display Launched	Jul 30 21:39
TweetTuxMachines	http://t.co/6ljOeyCovb (gadgets.ndtv.com)	Jul 30 21:39
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-gadgets.ndtv.com \| Samsung Galaxy Folder Android Flip Phone With 3.8-Inch Display Launched \| NDTV Gadgets		Jul 30 21:39
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DaemonFC	Ryan Farmer	Jul 30 21:43
DaemonFC	Just now · Spotify ·	Jul 30 21:43
DaemonFC	This should be the official Windows 10 song. "There's something happening here. What is is ain't exactly clear."	Jul 30 21:43
DaemonFC	For What It's Worth, a song by Buffalo Springfield	Jul 30 21:43
DaemonFC	err, *it	Jul 30 21:43
abeNd-org	classic	Jul 30 21:44
MinceR	:)	Jul 30 21:44
msb_	Every "non-lethal" pain-ray weapon that I've read about works by heating the surface of the skin. So it will heat the surface of the corneas, "hard-boil" them, and blind people permanently.	Jul 30 21:48
MinceR	that's what i thought too	Jul 30 21:48
msb_	One of the anti-Linux trolls in comp.os.linux.advocacy works with these weapons, or at least wrote a detailed article about them in a military magazine.	Jul 30 21:49
schestowitz	https://twitter.com/jwildeboer/status/626857852825665536	Jul 30 21:53
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@jwildeboer: .@schestowitz only if you think MSFT == RHT. And http://t.co/pjPlQr9XWj is open about being a Red Hat project. So why you think it's bogus?		Jul 30 21:53
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schestowitz	I just think it's imbalanced in favour of red hat and makes Red Hat look like openstack, opensource, docker authority	Jul 30 21:53
MinceR	which they hope to become via systemd and kdbus	Jul 30 21:54
schestowitz	Imagine a world where every corporation has its own "news" site syndicated by Google News	Jul 30 21:54
schestowitz	MinceR: yeah, that too	Jul 30 21:54
schestowitz	systemd has not been promoted there, yet	Jul 30 21:54
schestowitz	AFAIK	Jul 30 21:54
schestowitz	https://twitter.com/qu1j0t3/status/626858264588865536	Jul 30 21:54
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@qu1j0t3: Actually the battery life is laughable, worse than ever. https://t.co/vQBeUMqYBP		Jul 30 21:54
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz: Increased and improved battery life, more antennas etc. have escalated and popularised the #surveillance aspects of mobile phones		Jul 30 21:54
schestowitz	Poorly used	Jul 30 21:55
schestowitz	https://twitter.com/RamiSilawi/status/626857656582565888	Jul 30 21:56
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@RamiSilawi: @schestowitz iForgot iHave an iTrophy iLike & iFollow whatever and iBuy :)		Jul 30 21:56
MinceR	the crApple logo is still a status symbol among the poor though, apparently	Jul 30 21:57
msb_	Among leftests too, I think.	Jul 30 21:57
msb_	leftists	Jul 30 21:58
msb_	They think Apple is pro-humanity.	Jul 30 21:58
msb_	Thanks to many years of Apple advertising falsely implying that.	Jul 30 21:59
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schestowitz	https://twitter.com/qu1j0t3/status/626860386386608129	Jul 30 22:04
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@qu1j0t3: @schestowitz Can you get three weeks? My Nokia does. Pretty sure it's not smart enough to spy on me, either. http://t.co/U6mQ5kBkUF		Jul 30 22:04
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@qu1j0t3: @schestowitz Can you get three weeks? My Nokia does. Pretty sure it's not smart enough to spy on me, either. http://t.co/U6mQ5kBkUF		Jul 30 22:04
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msb_	Detailed video on US Air Force antigravity flying saucers replicated from alien ones. Video can be downloaded with latest version from http://youtube-dl.org/ -- https://vimeo.com/133170463	Jul 30 22:07
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msb_	Use youtube-dl option -f h264-sd to get 500MB version instead of one 4x that size.	Jul 30 22:10
msb_	Used to hate vimeo because it was not downloadable, but no more!	Jul 30 22:11
DaemonFC	J. R. Bob Dobbs (formerly ZOMG Pink Ponies) says:	Jul 30 22:15
DaemonFC	At least it installed and mostly works. It could have been a Mac that froze during the Apple logo and won't start up at all. :)	Jul 30 22:15
DaemonFC	Google "mac freezes at apple logo" and you'll see that it's a recurring problem that has been ongoing since around 2009. Makes you wonder how this "tightly integrated OS and hardware" maker manages to **** their own bootloader during the upgrade process when they own the entire stack from the moment you press the power button. :)	Jul 30 22:15
MinceR	probably the same recipe as m$	Jul 30 22:16
MinceR	spending all their money on lawyers, ads and bribes	Jul 30 22:16
MinceR	and having retarded, incompetent "developers"	Jul 30 22:16
DaemonFC	The OS mostly works, but it feels like beta software that should have been pushed back another 3 months or so.	Jul 30 22:16
MinceR	they took freebsd and made it worse in every conceivable way	Jul 30 22:17
DaemonFC	No, I meant Windows 10.	Jul 30 22:18
DaemonFC	It works, but it's rough around the edges. ;)	Jul 30 22:18
DaemonFC	I absolutely hate the new web browser. It's worse than IE.	Jul 30 22:18
DaemonFC	The start menu bug is basically unforgivable.	Jul 30 22:18
DaemonFC	I think the Firefox issues are mostly the result of bugs in the video drivers.	Jul 30 22:19
MinceR	it's less surprising that winblows sucks, as they started with worse things	Jul 30 22:21
schestowitz	https://twitter.com/JohnitoMusic/status/626864975903129603	Jul 30 22:22
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@JohnitoMusic: Wow. Just f*cking wow. #Windows10 #privacy #violations #keylogger #NSA https://t.co/cdgLtHNjlt & http://t.co/bTqy8ZLKE4 Via @schestowitz		Jul 30 22:22
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: #disturbing privacy defaults in Windows 10 https://jonathan.porta.codes/2015/07/30/windows-10-seems-to-have-some-scary-privacy-defaults/ #vista10 is a monster. http://techrights.org/wiki/index.php/Microsoft_and_the_NSA http://techrights.org/2015/07/30/vista-10-surveillance-machine/		Jul 30 22:22
msb_	https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QPlMmwOq7U8	Jul 30 22:22
msb_	http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QPlMmwOq7U8	Jul 30 22:23
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights--> techrights.org \| Surveillance Machine With a Keylogger: Vista 10 Will Spy on the User (Over the Internet) Even While Playing Games \| Techrights		Jul 30 22:23
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.youtube.com \| "Lawyers, Guns and Money" by Warren Zevon - YouTube [ http://ur1.ca/nb5nw ]		Jul 30 22:23
abeNd-org	just did a fresh install of a retail win81, & it prompted for win10 update even before I got to a login prompt/desktop, & for windows update under optional win10 update was already prechecked... ms really wants you to update to 10	Jul 30 22:25
schestowitz	https://joindiaspora.com/posts/6405496	Jul 30 22:29
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: Currently watching Asian news channel that treats shoplifting of a pack of chocolates by youths as top news. Unbelievable.		Jul 30 22:29
schestowitz	"is this Channel News Asia?"\	Jul 30 22:29
schestowitz	ABS/CBN	Jul 30 22:29
msb_	Is stealing chocolate punishable with death by torture?	Jul 30 22:30
MinceR	of course they want you to downgrade to 10	Jul 30 22:30
MinceR	every time they put out a particularly rotten version, they tried hard to make people move to it	Jul 30 22:30
MinceR	and for a good while, every version was worse than the previous one	Jul 30 22:31
MinceR	vista10 is the worst by far	Jul 30 22:31
msb_	How can the new version be worse? Has MS hired Poettering?	Jul 30 22:31
MinceR	it's much more open about being backdoored spyware	Jul 30 22:32
MinceR	and "updates" are mandatory	Jul 30 22:32
MinceR	even "enterprise" users only get to postpone them for a while	Jul 30 22:32
MinceR	so it's pretty openly a botnet	Jul 30 22:32
msb_	YOU WILL LOVE UPDATES!	Jul 30 22:32
MinceR	YOU WILL LOVE SYSTEMD!	Jul 30 22:32
msb_	WORSE IS BETTER!	Jul 30 22:33
MinceR	WAR IS PEACE!	Jul 30 22:33
msb_	We have always been at war with...well, everybody.	Jul 30 22:34
MinceR	The War On Freedom	Jul 30 22:35
abeNd-org	heh, id almost rather have forced updates than run into school districts still running winxp SP1....afraid to move to sp2 still because of the firewall changes	Jul 30 22:45
MinceR	i don't trust m$ with forced updates	Jul 30 22:45
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DaemonFC	I love this wireless charger.	Jul 30 22:57
MinceR	i'd care about wireless charging more if the nexus 7 (2013) didn't disable wireless charging while it's acting as a usb host	Jul 30 22:57
DaemonFC	I like how it's 2015 and the iPhone 6 doesn't have built-in wireless charging.	Jul 30 23:00
MinceR	it's apparently in part due to their idiotic metal back	Jul 30 23:00
DaemonFC	And if you get a wireless charging case and plug it into the phone charging port, you only have support for Qi, so if you run into a PMA mat somewhere, you can't use it.	Jul 30 23:00
MinceR	probably the only material that's less practical for that purpose than glass	Jul 30 23:01
DaemonFC	The Galaxy S6 supports both.	Jul 30 23:01
schestowitz	https://twitter.com/SleepyPenguin1/status/626874448562552836	Jul 30 23:02
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@SleepyPenguin1: Upgrading to Windows 10 switches your web browser to Edge – and Firefox's CEO is furious @ruskin147 @schestowitz http://t.co/XKVsEUEsby		Jul 30 23:02
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights--> m.theregister.co.uk \| Upgrading to Windows 10 switches your web browser to Edge – and Firefox's CEO is furious • The Register		Jul 30 23:02
MinceR	and this time even the EU won't bother them, most likely	Jul 30 23:03
MinceR	because nobody pretends that antitrust regulation has any force at all	Jul 30 23:03
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines OnePlus 2 offers cutting-edge hardware for	Jul 30 23:07
TweetTuxMachines	under $390… and Android fanboys are still	Jul 30 23:07
TweetTuxMachines	whining about it http://t.co/WszijWC9ZC	Jul 30 23:07
TweetTuxMachines	(bgr.com)	Jul 30 23:07
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/nb61s	Jul 30 23:07
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-bgr.com \| OnePlus 2 specs: No NFC a deal breaker for whining Android fans \| BGR		Jul 30 23:07
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines The best Android smartphone gets better	Jul 30 23:07
TweetTuxMachines	http://t.co/y8Ay5yWiKH (money.cnn.com) "Moto X	Jul 30 23:07
TweetTuxMachines	was the best smartphone of 2014"	Jul 30 23:07
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-money.cnn.com \| The best Android smartphone just got even better - Jul. 28, 2015		Jul 30 23:07
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/nb61t	Jul 30 23:07
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Motorola figured out how to fix the most	Jul 30 23:07
TweetTuxMachines	annoying thing about Android	Jul 30 23:07
TweetTuxMachines	http://t.co/n7WamJa5nO (bgr.com)	Jul 30 23:07
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/nb61u	Jul 30 23:07
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-bgr.com \| Moto X Pure and Moto G Android M Updates might roll out even faster \| BGR		Jul 30 23:07
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DaemonFC	Ryan Farmer	Jul 30 23:12
DaemonFC	Just now ·	Jul 30 23:12
DaemonFC	Windows 10 includes keylogging spyware, on by default.	Jul 30 23:12
DaemonFC	“Send typing and inking data to Microsoft to improve the recognition and suggestion platform.”	Jul 30 23:12
DaemonFC	Uhhh, no?	Jul 30 23:12
schestowitz	https://twitter.com/Zeusoft/status/626877543916929024	Jul 30 23:13
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@Zeusoft: @schestowitz Too much cloud dependent.		Jul 30 23:13
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DaemonFC	Windows has been sending more and more of your information back to Microsoft since XP.	Jul 30 23:14
DaemonFC	So, apparently my phone is affected by Stagefright, and between Samsung and Sprint, I'll be waiting for 30-60 days for the patch, even though Google patched it already.	Jul 30 23:19
DaemonFC	You'd think that carriers and OEMs would want to protect their reputation.	Jul 30 23:19
MinceR	welcome to the wonderful world of mobile/IoT operating systems	Jul 30 23:19
MinceR	and the readonly images that have to be patched whole	Jul 30 23:19
MinceR	redcrap wants to turn GNU/Linux into this too	Jul 30 23:20
MinceR	poettering raves about the concept regularly	Jul 30 23:20
DaemonFC	What happens when malicious payloads start going out and most Android phones are infected by attackers that send SMS messages blindly to random phone numbers?	Jul 30 23:20
MinceR	i think it's obvious why they want this	Jul 30 23:20
MinceR	they'll keep going out and succeeding for years, that's what	Jul 30 23:20
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schestowitz	http://t.co/cEBFVlYYEY	Jul 30 23:27
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.theregister.co.uk \| Windows 10 in head-on crash with Nvidia drivers as world watches launch • The Register		Jul 30 23:27
schestowitz	jgay: just seen your post in FSF site and put that in tuxmachines (my wife did)	Jul 30 23:27
schestowitz	very gently-worded	Jul 30 23:27
schestowitz	target audience must be windows useds....	Jul 30 23:28
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Retro City Rampage DX Parody Game Released For	Jul 30 23:38
TweetTuxMachines	Linux, Some Thoughts On This Nostalgia Trip	Jul 30 23:38
TweetTuxMachines	https://t.co/KyqxE9aMOC (www.gamingonlinux.com)	Jul 30 23:38
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/nb6bh	Jul 30 23:38
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.gamingonlinux.com \| Retro City Rampage DX Parody Game Released For Linux, Some Thoughts On This Nostalgia Trip \| GamingOnLinux		Jul 30 23:38
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Bound By Flame RPG May Get A Linux Version	Jul 30 23:38
TweetTuxMachines	https://t.co/utRTv5gsZu (www.gamingonlinux.com)	Jul 30 23:38
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/nb6bk	Jul 30 23:38
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.gamingonlinux.com \| Bound By Flame RPG May Get A Linux Version \| GamingOnLinux		Jul 30 23:38
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Shadowrun: Hong Kong RPG Arrives On August 20th	Jul 30 23:39
TweetTuxMachines	For Linux https://t.co/GEI8vUlM9n	Jul 30 23:39
TweetTuxMachines	(www.gamingonlinux.com)	Jul 30 23:39
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/nb6bl	Jul 30 23:39
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.gamingonlinux.com \| Shadowrun: Hong Kong RPG Arrives On August 20th For Linux \| GamingOnLinux		Jul 30 23:39
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Linux-powered smart sniper rifle can be hacked	Jul 30 23:39
TweetTuxMachines	http://t.co/h7d1tGuSS7 (www.tuxmachines.org)	Jul 30 23:39
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/nb6bn	Jul 30 23:39
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org \| Linux-powered smart sniper rifle can be hacked \| Tux Machines		Jul 30 23:39
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Ubuntu Kylin 15.10 Alpha 2 Is Out for Testing	Jul 30 23:39
TweetTuxMachines	with Linux Kernel 4.1, More	Jul 30 23:39
TweetTuxMachines	http://t.co/hjzdFw1McR (www.tuxmachines.org)	Jul 30 23:39
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/nb6bo	Jul 30 23:39
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org \| Ubuntu Kylin 15.10 Alpha 2 Is Out for Testing with Linux Kernel 4.1, More \| Tux Machines		Jul 30 23:39
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Lubuntu 15.10 Alpha 2 Is Ready for Download,	Jul 30 23:39
TweetTuxMachines	Still Using the LXDE Desktop Environment	Jul 30 23:39
TweetTuxMachines	http://t.co/U90yQpqlMt (www.tuxmachines.org)	Jul 30 23:39
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/nb6bp	Jul 30 23:39
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org \| Lubuntu 15.10 Alpha 2 Is Ready for Download, Still Using the LXDE Desktop Environment \| Tux Machines		Jul 30 23:39
MinceR	and here's an attempt at damage control which doesn't seem to actually fix anything >> http://www.ghacks.net/2015/07/27/microsoft-releases-tool-to-block-windows-10-updates/	Jul 30 23:41
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.ghacks.net \| Microsoft releases tool to block Windows 10 updates - gHacks Tech News [ http://ur1.ca/nb6cr ]		Jul 30 23:41
jgay	schestowitz on Canonical?	Jul 30 23:41
MinceR	"temporarily"	Jul 30 23:41
MinceR	"Note: Windows displays only updates on the next page that are not installed already. This means that you need to remove an update through other means before you can hide (block) it with the help of this tool."	Jul 30 23:42
MinceR	and this is after ed bought put the sugarcoat on it	Jul 30 23:42
jgay	schestowitz, I'm signing off now, but if you have any qustions let me know.	Jul 30 23:42
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines More AMD Radeon R9 Fury Linux Benchmarks	Jul 30 23:46
TweetTuxMachines	http://t.co/IxKsQlu0jZ (www.tuxmachines.org)	Jul 30 23:46
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/nb6e8	Jul 30 23:46
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org \| More AMD Radeon R9 Fury Linux Benchmarks \| Tux Machines		Jul 30 23:46
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines The FSF's statement on Windows 10	Jul 30 23:46
TweetTuxMachines	http://t.co/AGaYO58CKn (www.tuxmachines.org)	Jul 30 23:46
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/nb6e9	Jul 30 23:46
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org \| The FSF's statement on Windows 10 \| Tux Machines		Jul 30 23:46
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Middle-earth: Shadow Of Mordor Released For	Jul 30 23:46
TweetTuxMachines	Linux, We Love You Feral Interactive	Jul 30 23:46
TweetTuxMachines	https://t.co/qEQWzUIz1k (www.gamingonlinux.com)	Jul 30 23:46
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/nb6eb	Jul 30 23:46
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.gamingonlinux.com \| Middle-earth: Shadow Of Mordor Released For Linux, We Love You Feral Interactive \| GamingOnLinux		Jul 30 23:46
DaemonFC	It also hijacks your internet connection to serve other PCs updates.	Jul 30 23:50
DaemonFC	Saves Microsoft money.	Jul 30 23:50
DaemonFC	Windows 10 seems to have a lot of features that are bordering on malware.	Jul 30 23:51
MinceR	also helps circumvent corporate firewalls that were set up to prevent m$ from fucking up their configurations	Jul 30 23:51
MinceR	i don't think this is "bordering" anymore	Jul 30 23:51
MinceR	earlier versions were perhaps "bordering" on malware	Jul 30 23:51
MinceR	vista10 is clearly malware	Jul 30 23:51
MinceR	just like skype	Jul 30 23:51
MinceR	and just like hypeOS	Jul 30 23:52
MinceR	i wonder when we can expect a similar statement from the FSF on systemd	Jul 30 23:58
schestowitz	https://twitter.com/sblaydes/status/626888619928612864	Jul 31 00:01
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@sblaydes: Nice to see @Linode sponsoring the @debian LTS efforts. https://t.co/QrCaHA964h h/t:@schestowitz		Jul 31 00:01
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights--> raphaelhertzog.com \| Freexian’s report about Debian Long Term Support, June 2015		Jul 31 00:01
schestowitz	MinceR: systemDistribute	Jul 31 00:05
schestowitz	"it's free software"	Jul 31 00:05
schestowitz	they "share"	Jul 31 00:06
schestowitz	the patches	Jul 31 00:06
MinceR	yeah, it's "free software" like the obfuscated nv driver was	Jul 31 00:06
msb_	Could Microsoft shut down all Windows 10 computers by transmitting one command over the botnet? Suppose the government wanted to do that because it had done something like cancelling the elections.	Jul 31 00:10
MinceR	it looks like they certainly could	Jul 31 00:11
MinceR	maybe "enterprise" users could delay it for a set period	Jul 31 00:11
MinceR	then again, the language about DRM updates in previous EULAs suggests that they could do this previously too	Jul 31 00:11
schestowitz	they could do anything	Jul 31 00:13
schestowitz	there are always some zero-days	Jul 31 00:13
schestowitz	which makes you wonder what NSA could do at times of major war	Jul 31 00:13
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Bodhi in Fedora 23 is Ready	Jul 31 00:13
TweetTuxMachines	http://t.co/Y3ivfMAEEt (leinfeva.tumblr.com)	Jul 31 00:13
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/nb6ma	Jul 31 00:13
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-leinfeva.tumblr.com \| Lêínfeva — Bodhi in Fedora 23 is Ready		Jul 31 00:13
schestowitz	if china or russia, for example, STILL had some Windows lying around	Jul 31 00:13
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines "here comes a report about the work of paid	Jul 31 00:13
TweetTuxMachines	contributors to #Debian LTS."	Jul 31 00:13
TweetTuxMachines	https://t.co/8bp6vnkoBf (raphaelhertzog.com)	Jul 31 00:13
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/nb6mb	Jul 31 00:13
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Skullgirls Now In Closed Beta For Linux, Here	Jul 31 00:13
TweetTuxMachines	Are My Thoughts & A Video	Jul 31 00:13
TweetTuxMachines	https://t.co/z2QIAK37at (www.gamingonlinux.com)	Jul 31 00:13
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/nb6mf	Jul 31 00:13
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.gamingonlinux.com \| Skullgirls Now In Closed Beta For Linux, Here Are My Thoughts & A Video \| GamingOnLinux		Jul 31 00:13
schestowitz	At war you don't need to obey EULA	Jul 31 00:13
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MinceR	ooh, debian long term "support"	Jul 31 00:15
-NickServ-schestowitz!~roy@host109-155-204-61.range109-155.btcentralplus.com has just authenticated as you (schestowitz)		Jul 31 00:15
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MinceR	https://lists.debian.org/debian-lts/2015/07/msg00080.html	Jul 31 00:15
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-lists.debian.org \| Re: Suspend failing [ http://ur1.ca/nb6mr ]		Jul 31 00:15
MinceR	what a joke.	Jul 31 00:15
msb_	I think the psychopaths that run the Western governments, and the ones that run the banking, weapons, pharma, media, etc., corporations are organized in a loose alliance. Their enemies/victims are the people of the world.	Jul 31 00:17
msb_	enemies/victims/slaves	Jul 31 00:18
msb_	enemies/victims/slaves/targets	Jul 31 00:19
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msb_	So does Microsoft==RedHat? Basically, yes.	Jul 31 00:20
*TweetTuxMachines @unixstickers favourited '"here comes a report about the work of...'		Jul 31 00:24
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Linux-powered smart sniper rifle can be hacked	Jul 31 00:29
TweetTuxMachines	http://t.co/wLAfRJerpW (www.geek.com) company	Jul 31 00:29
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.geek.com \| Linux-powered smart sniper rifle can be hacked \| Apps and Software \| Geek.com		Jul 31 00:29
TweetTuxMachines	behind it defunct, no?	Jul 31 00:29
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/nb6rd	Jul 31 00:29
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Ubuntu Kylin 15.10 Alpha 2 Is Out for Testing	Jul 31 00:29
TweetTuxMachines	with Linux Kernel 4.1, More	Jul 31 00:29
TweetTuxMachines	http://t.co/NioJPykZ5A (news.softpedia.com)	Jul 31 00:29
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/nb6re	Jul 31 00:29
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-news.softpedia.com \| Ubuntu Kylin 15.10 Alpha 2 Is Out for Testing with Linux Kernel 4.1, More - Softpedia		Jul 31 00:29
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Lubuntu 15.10 Alpha 2 Is Ready for Download,	Jul 31 00:29
TweetTuxMachines	Still Using the LXDE Desktop Environment	Jul 31 00:29
TweetTuxMachines	http://t.co/SCXN6wluaj (linux.softpedia.com)	Jul 31 00:29
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/nb6rf	Jul 31 00:29
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-linux.softpedia.com \| Lubuntu 15.10 Alpha 2 Is Ready for Download, Still Using the LXDE Desktop Environment - Softpedia		Jul 31 00:29
schestowitz	DaemonFC: https://twitter.com/iridesce57/status/626897076216070145	Jul 31 00:30
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@iridesce57: @schestowitz lol, good luck with that		Jul 31 00:30
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schestowitz	https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/626885819412946944	Jul 31 00:30
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz: #us in 2015 bans #freesw use http://t.co/zsKLOI6tGV #fcc		Jul 31 00:30
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights--> www.infoq.com \| FCC Rules Block use of Open Source		Jul 31 00:30
schestowitz	ESR foresaw this	Jul 31 00:30
schestowitz	trying to make FOSS illegal by government	Jul 31 00:34
schestowitz	https://twitter.com/opendna/status/626898261543137280	Jul 31 00:34
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@opendna: @schestowitz The biggest "mafia" in town are Western governments, and journalists get killed for writing that up. Whistleblowers? LOL		Jul 31 00:34
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msb_	That video I wrote about antigravity aircraft mentions several alternative-energy researchers who were murdered. The man who made the video was murdered. And this article about the new inexpensive cancer remedy GcMAF mentions several doctors using it who were murdered. Is it paranoid to think that govt or corporations killed these people? Governments and corporations routinely murder _millions_ of people, e.g., in Afghanistan, Iraq,	Jul 31 00:36
msb_	Libya, and Syria.	Jul 31 00:36
msb_	http://www.naturalnews.com/050582_nagalase_GcMAF_cancer_industry_profits.html	Jul 31 00:36
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.naturalnews.com \| REVEALED: Cancer industry profits 'locked in' by nagalase molecule injected into humans via vaccines... spurs tumor growth... explains aggressive vaccine push - NaturalNews.com [ http://ur1.ca/nb6td ]		Jul 31 00:36
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schestowitz	https://twitter.com/opendna/status/626899153487052800	Jul 31 00:37
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@opendna: @schestowitz You think that's bad? Chevron sent SecState Clinton to overturn the will of the people on fracking.		Jul 31 00:37
msb_	http://www.mintpressnews.com/california-using-recycled-fracking-water-to-irrigate-crops/207377/	Jul 31 00:42
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.mintpressnews.com \| California Using Recycled Fracking Water To Irrigate Crops [ http://ur1.ca/nb6v2 ]		Jul 31 00:42
msb_	Contains acetone, benzene and hydrocarbons.	Jul 31 00:42
msb_	Bon apetit!	Jul 31 00:43
msb_	Probably appetit, but you'd be safer sucking from an ape's tit.	Jul 31 00:44
DaemonFC	"This is the FBI. We've locked your computer because of illegal porn and terrorist activity. If you don't pay us a $200 fine by prepaid visa card, we will arrest you!"	Jul 31 01:19
DaemonFC	:)	Jul 31 01:19
DaemonFC	How do people get fooled by this kind of stuff?	Jul 31 01:20
MinceR	if the governments weren't so corrupt, perhaps this stuff would also be less believable	Jul 31 01:21
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MinceR	i would have appreciated some information about 1) how this affects the crops and 2) whether the crops take up these hydrocarbons from the soil	Jul 31 02:05
MinceR	(considering that they are not water-soluble)	Jul 31 02:05
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msb_	Well, it's a start. You can do some research.	Jul 31 02:34
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines More AMD Radeon R9 Fury Linux Benchmarks	Jul 31 02:41
TweetTuxMachines	http://t.co/cOJTLpD4Uv (www.phoronix.com)	Jul 31 02:41
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/nb7qt	Jul 31 02:41
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.phoronix.com \| More AMD Radeon R9 Fury Linux Benchmarks - Phoronix		Jul 31 02:41
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines It's Been Three Years Since "GNOME 4.0" Was	Jul 31 02:41
TweetTuxMachines	Proposed http://t.co/aa6JPdZl2C	Jul 31 02:41
TweetTuxMachines	(www.phoronix.com)	Jul 31 02:41
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.phoronix.com \| It's Been Three Years Since "GNOME 4.0" Was Proposed - Phoronix		Jul 31 02:41
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/nb7qu	Jul 31 02:41
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines It's Been Three Years Since "GNOME 4.0" Was	Jul 31 02:41
TweetTuxMachines	Proposed http://t.co/K5EMa4zxe2	Jul 31 02:41
TweetTuxMachines	(www.tuxmachines.org)	Jul 31 02:41
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TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/nb7qw	Jul 31 02:41
MinceR	apparently i was wrong about solubility	Jul 31 02:46
MinceR	"Benzene is slightly soluble in water" http://www.atsdr.cdc.gov/phs/phs.asp?id=37&tid=14#bookmark02	Jul 31 02:47
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.atsdr.cdc.gov \| NO TITLE [ http://ur1.ca/nb7t8 ]		Jul 31 02:47
MinceR	acetone is also miscible in water https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Acetone	Jul 31 02:54
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DaemonFC	http://www.theregister.co.uk/2015/04/30/microsoft_edge_sucks/	Jul 31 02:57
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DaemonFC	Microsoft relaunched Internet Explorer this week as "Edge" – and the software behemoth appears already prepared to accept that its super new browser may absolutely suck.	Jul 31 02:58
DaemonFC	At the same time as the new name was announced at its Build conference in San Francisco, the Redmond biz instructed brand protection company MarkMonitor to register a number of domain names, including:	Jul 31 02:58
DaemonFC	MicrosoftEdgeSucks.com	Jul 31 02:58
DaemonFC	MSEdgeSucks.com	Jul 31 02:58
DaemonFC	MSFTEdgeSucks.com	Jul 31 02:58
DaemonFC	WhyEdgeSucks.com	Jul 31 02:58
DaemonFC	Ryan Farmer	Jul 31 02:58
DaemonFC	1 min ·	Jul 31 02:58
DaemonFC	Microsoft planned for the response to the new Microsoft Edge web browser. The thing is so gimped and basic that it feels like you're using Chrome 3. tongue emoticon	Jul 31 02:58
DaemonFC	They registered domains like MicrosoftEdgeSucks.com to prevent people from taking them out and co	Jul 31 02:58
DaemonFC	complaining about what a steaming pile of crap it is.	Jul 31 02:59
DaemonFC	http://www.seattletimes.com/seattle-news/politics/budget-deal-packed-in-tax-hike-for-microsoft/	Jul 31 03:35
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.seattletimes.com \| State budget deal includes tax increase for Microsoft \| The Seattle Times [ http://ur1.ca/nb86c ]		Jul 31 03:35
DaemonFC	schestowitz, Washington State is going to tax Microsoft, it seems.	Jul 31 03:36
msb_	Turns out I have RT (Russia Today) on my TV cable. I just turned it on, and there's a guy on, telling how the FDA has lied for years about GMO food, claiming it had no evidence of harm, when they had lots of reports from their own scientists, which they ignored.	Jul 31 03:36
DaemonFC	"They haven’t advertised it, but the budget deal agreed to by state lawmakers this week quietly targeted Microsoft for a $57 million tax increase over the next two years."	Jul 31 03:36
DaemonFC	Ryan Farmer	Jul 31 03:40
DaemonFC	Just now ·	Jul 31 03:40
DaemonFC	One of the most serious issues with Microsoft Edge is not having a built-in content blocker, which can be used to stop it from downloading malicious ads and scripts.	Jul 31 03:40
DaemonFC	There's even an Adblock filter for Firefox and Chrome that specifically targets thousands of malicious websites.	Jul 31 03:40
DaemonFC	I think that they should factor that into the equation. You can't get malware from a site that's simply not allowed to download anything to your computer.	Jul 31 03:40
DaemonFC	http://www.komando.com/happening-now/318789/the-new-microsoft-browser-has-brand-new-security-issues	Jul 31 03:40
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.komando.com \| The new Microsoft browser has brand new security issues \| Komando.com [ http://ur1.ca/nb87v ]		Jul 31 03:40
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DaemonFC	Johann Fritz says:	Jul 31 04:00
DaemonFC	Corporate tax rates are high. I suggest lowering them to allow repatriation.	Jul 31 04:00
DaemonFC	J. R. Bob Dobbs (formerly ZOMG Pink Ponies) says:	Jul 31 04:00
DaemonFC	I suggest giving them until next Tuesday before the IRS comes for their office furniture.	Jul 31 04:00
msb_	Their first-born children should be worth something too.	Jul 31 04:40
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msb_	They can also be given free room and board in the Graybar Hotel.	Jul 31 04:41
DaemonFC	LMAO	Jul 31 05:03
DaemonFC	Someone got a no-name 30-pin charging cable on Amazon for their iPhone....	Jul 31 05:05
DaemonFC	It caught fire and burned their iPhone charging port out.	Jul 31 05:08
DaemonFC	There's a great picture of it, I just can't find the link to the image.	Jul 31 05:08
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cubexyz	there's been some Linux bashing on slashdot of late	Jul 31 06:32
cubexyz	could be M$ shills	Jul 31 06:32
cubexyz	not to say there isn't M$ bashing	Jul 31 06:33
cubexyz	it's interesting that very few folks mention BSD at all	Jul 31 06:34
oiaohm	I have had weston running on X11 a bit recently.	Jul 31 06:40
oiaohm	Nvidia closed source drivers cannot do weston without X11 yet.	Jul 31 06:40
cubexyz	what about remotes GUI logins?	Jul 31 06:41
cubexyz	you still need X11 for those	Jul 31 06:41
oiaohm	Not exactly weston will sit on vnc and rdp	Jul 31 06:42
cubexyz	I'm not understanding the purpose of wayland	Jul 31 06:51
cubexyz	and I do write xlib programs	Jul 31 06:53
oiaohm	https://wiki.tizen.org/wiki/Weston_RDP_access	Jul 31 06:54
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-wiki.tizen.org \| Weston RDP access - Tizen Wiki [ http://ur1.ca/nb9t5 ]		Jul 31 06:54
oiaohm	Ok RDP support for weston and other waylands are not in mainline debian yet.	Jul 31 06:54
oiaohm	wayland comes out of the fact the X11 design become a mess.	Jul 31 06:55
oiaohm	Remote GUI logins don't have to be X11.	Jul 31 06:56
cubexyz	X is a historically networked oriented design	Jul 31 06:57
oiaohm	X11 was also not design in a time that OS security was required.	Jul 31 06:58
oiaohm	Under wayland an application can only see the windows it starts.	Jul 31 06:59
oiaohm	Unless it has special permission.	Jul 31 06:59
oiaohm	So random programs cannot screen capture under wayland.	Jul 31 06:59
oiaohm	Random programs cannot give other applications input under wayland.	Jul 31 07:00
cubexyz	for example:	Jul 31 07:00
cubexyz	ssh -X cubeman@server /usr/X11R6/bin/Xnest :1 -query localhost	Jul 31 07:00
cubexyz	that's how I can do a GUI login to the server	Jul 31 07:01
cubexyz	the ssh part takes care of the security element	Jul 31 07:01
oiaohm	RDP can take care of the encryption itself and you can use the ssh to port forwards rdp.	Jul 31 07:01
oiaohm	So more than 1 way to skin cat cubexyz	Jul 31 07:02
cubexyz	surely is	Jul 31 07:02
cubexyz	but it's faster without using vnc	Jul 31 07:02
oiaohm	xfreerdp could have been used instead of xnext with x11.	Jul 31 07:02
oiaohm	Wayland basically does not stop remote graphical. Question is performance.	Jul 31 07:03
cubexyz	it still makes sense to learn the older methods as there are a lot of old servers out there	Jul 31 07:03
oiaohm	Wayland is about fixing up the bugs.	Jul 31 07:03
oiaohm	of X11	Jul 31 07:03
oiaohm	Where xinput can be written by infact every application.	Jul 31 07:04
oiaohm	Worse read by every application.	Jul 31 07:04
oiaohm	So the secure password input is not that secure.	Jul 31 07:04
oiaohm	cubexyz: basically the faults in X11 design are that huge that fixing them is going to break applications anyhow.	Jul 31 07:05
oiaohm	Now other thay wayland using like rdp/vnc back ends.	Jul 31 07:06
oiaohm	QT and GTK are implementing html5 backends.	Jul 31 07:06
oiaohm	So port forwards that port that the graphical application is on and use web browser to interface with graphical application on server.	Jul 31 07:07
oiaohm	I know that a lot but its becoming remote html5 can do better than X11 could same with wayland with some backend.	Jul 31 07:08
oiaohm	cubexyz: sad as it sound using X11 is more bloated than using html5 to send the same thing.	Jul 31 07:13
cubexyz	haha got a blank screen for twm	Jul 31 07:19
cubexyz	thought something was wrong then I remembered twm does show a blank screen with the mouse pointer	Jul 31 07:19
cubexyz	way faster than remote gui login with gnome	Jul 31 07:20
cubexyz	ssh -XC is also better	Jul 31 07:21
oiaohm	cubexyz: remember you require the target machine to have X11 installed to use X11 forwarding.	Jul 31 07:27
oiaohm	https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fr8eo4RlPw4	Jul 31 07:27
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oiaohm	Stuff like this you are only looking for a web browser.	Jul 31 07:27
oiaohm	Or http://freerdp.net/ rdp	Jul 31 07:29
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-freerdp.net \| About FreeRDP-WebConnect		Jul 31 07:29
oiaohm	cubexyz: yes there are reason why I have got to understand the RDP side.	Jul 31 07:30
cubexyz	oiaohm, konsole is horribly slow via remote	Jul 31 07:30
cubexyz	xterm is nice and fast	Jul 31 07:31
oiaohm	Anything using opengl screwed up badly in X11 remote.	Jul 31 07:31
oiaohm	wayland rdp is looking into image rendering on server GPU instead of forwarding opengl instructions.	Jul 31 07:32
cubexyz	I bet the wayland folks won't test on old hardware	Jul 31 07:32
oiaohm	wayland is lighter on ram than X11	Jul 31 07:33
cubexyz	which era of X11? :)	Jul 31 07:35
oiaohm	Every one. Why X11 has the require for 1 large image the size of all your screens.	Jul 31 07:35
oiaohm	Wayland does not have this stupid requirement.	Jul 31 07:36
cubexyz	couldn't you do a black & white login to save ram?	Jul 31 07:36
oiaohm	No X11 demard a bitmap.	Jul 31 07:36
oiaohm	its what you access to take a X11 screen shot.	Jul 31 07:36
oiaohm	Yes there is a very good reason why wayland restricts what applications can take screenshots as a image of the desktop full only has to be produced when some applicaiton is truly wanting it.	Jul 31 07:37
cubexyz	but X11 run on 80s hardware	Jul 31 07:38
cubexyz	so it must have been faster in the past to manage that	Jul 31 07:38
cubexyz	well, late 80s at least	Jul 31 07:38
oiaohm	This is not being faster.	Jul 31 07:38
cubexyz	think of the memory limitations of 1989	Jul 31 07:39
oiaohm	Why wayland can get away with generate the desktop image on need is faster hardware.	Jul 31 07:39
oiaohm	cubexyz: screen res of the 1989 were large in most cases.	Jul 31 07:39
cubexyz	so if I have an interest in old computers I have to keep X11	Jul 31 07:40
cubexyz	correct?	Jul 31 07:40
oiaohm	And people were not wanting to run 12 to 16 screens off the one computer.	Jul 31 07:40
oiaohm	Old computer weak gpu most likely never be wayland compadible.	Jul 31 07:41
cubexyz	oiaohm, old computers could probably handle 12 tty terms	Jul 31 07:42
oiaohm	cubexyz: but that would be text not graphical right.	Jul 31 07:43
oiaohm	http://wayland.freedesktop.org/architecture.html	Jul 31 07:43
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cubexyz	yes of course	Jul 31 07:43
oiaohm	cubexyz: wayland is built around the presume you have EGL support in your card	Jul 31 07:43
cubexyz	some microvaxes didn't have a frame buffer :)	Jul 31 07:44
oiaohm	Or at least enough cpu processing power to emulate egl.	Jul 31 07:44
cubexyz	I think responsive is important	Jul 31 07:44
cubexyz	responsiveness	Jul 31 07:44
oiaohm	So wayland is lighter on ram requirements than X11 but heavier in GPU requirements.	Jul 31 07:44
oiaohm	Also wayland reduced the traffice required between the server and the application.	Jul 31 07:45
oiaohm	So in that way increases responsiveness.	Jul 31 07:45
oiaohm	cubexyz: basically there are a lot of good things about wayland there are a few downsides	Jul 31 07:46
cubexyz	only from a modern monster GPU perspective	Jul 31 07:47
oiaohm	Please note I said EGL not EGL followed by any numbers.	Jul 31 07:47
cubexyz	I can't seem to clipboard into remote twm :-/	Jul 31 07:47
oiaohm	NVIDIA NV1 1995-1996 card has enough to do wayland.	Jul 31 07:48
oiaohm	Even old voodoos	Jul 31 07:48
oiaohm	cubexyz: I don't think monster is exactly right.	Jul 31 07:49
cubexyz	have you actually tried wayland on 1995 technology?	Jul 31 07:49
cubexyz	wow twm is pretty fast, I'm liking this	Jul 31 07:50
cubexyz	it figures one of the oldest wm's would also be the fastest	Jul 31 07:51
oiaohm	http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=MTQ3ODQ << I have not run weston/wayland on old hardware but the directfb guys have.	Jul 31 07:53
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oiaohm	The main thing wayland is needing is a gpu that can take a texture(image of window) and place it where it told and sort out front to back order.	Jul 31 07:53
oiaohm	X11 did all that stuff in software.	Jul 31 07:54
cubexyz	what if I'm on a 486 with an ATI VGA wonder card?	Jul 31 07:54
cubexyz	probably too old	Jul 31 07:54
cubexyz	just trying to cover all the bases	Jul 31 07:54
oiaohm	That might in fact work.	Jul 31 07:54
oiaohm	Don't know if directfb support ati vga wonder.	Jul 31 07:54
oiaohm	http://directfb.org/index.php?path=Support%2FGraphics	Jul 31 07:56
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oiaohm	Ok what is ati vga wonder card is it in that list.	Jul 31 07:57
oiaohm	Bascially this is scraping the bottom of barrel to run weston.	Jul 31 07:57
cubexyz	well maybe some crazy person could add it	Jul 31 07:58
cubexyz	mach64 looks like the oldest video card	Jul 31 07:58
cubexyz	interesting that my ATI VGA wonder card still works when many many modern cards have failed	Jul 31 07:59
cubexyz	I think there's a lesson there	Jul 31 07:59
oiaohm	mach64 is 1990	Jul 31 07:59
oiaohm	I would say wayland requires a modern gpu. With modern being post 1990 and decent.	Jul 31 08:00
oiaohm	Fairly much any gpu post year 2000 is fine.	Jul 31 08:00
oiaohm	Only issue is likes of Nvidia where there closed source driver demards X11 running.	Jul 31 08:01
oiaohm	Now its not wayland or weston that are going to hurt its going to be the likes of KDE and GNOME that you would look out for having insane spec requirements.	Jul 31 08:03
cubexyz	they did patch bash 2.05	Jul 31 08:04
cubexyz	I might want to use the remote login more often now that I have a faster way to do things	Jul 31 08:05
oiaohm	cubexyz: I don't know of a video card prior to 1990 that had gpu	Jul 31 08:06
oiaohm	wait	Jul 31 08:07
oiaohm	brain I was forgetting amiga	Jul 31 08:07
cubexyz	what about the motorola 6845 chip?	Jul 31 08:08
oiaohm	https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blitter	Jul 31 08:09
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-en.wikipedia.org \| Blitter - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia		Jul 31 08:09
cubexyz	too old? not a GPU? :)	Jul 31 08:09
oiaohm	Before GPU we have beasts that have Blitters	Jul 31 08:09
oiaohm	And the blitter only start appearing mid 1980s	Jul 31 08:10
oiaohm	Some of those blitters might be convincable to do EGL.	Jul 31 08:10
cubexyz	yes the Amiga 1000 had the angus chip	Jul 31 08:10
cubexyz	so I guess that must be considered a GPU	Jul 31 08:10
oiaohm	Difference between a blitter and a GPU is GPU contains 3d maths bilter is 2d only.	Jul 31 08:11
oiaohm	So Amiga 1000 is a bilitter.	Jul 31 08:12
oiaohm	Everything weston wants is 2d operations.	Jul 31 08:13
cubexyz	I feel constrained to point out that my old hardware seems to last a lot longer than the new stuff	Jul 31 08:13
oiaohm	cubexyz: its heat	Jul 31 08:13
oiaohm	And silcon size.	Jul 31 08:13
cubexyz	PDP-10s could overheat	Jul 31 08:13
cubexyz	I remember that	Jul 31 08:14
oiaohm	Smaller the nm the lower the resistance to heat.	Jul 31 08:14
oiaohm	Like some sat chips are still 140nm	Jul 31 08:14
cubexyz	so you agree that old computers (not ancient) had some advantages?	Jul 31 08:14
oiaohm	Not exactly.	Jul 31 08:14
oiaohm	140nm is a chip you can buy new today.	Jul 31 08:15
oiaohm	Hardware built to last is hardware built to last does not matter if it modern or old.	Jul 31 08:15
oiaohm	Like CPU/GPU getting to 80C+ plus and needing massive cooling were never going to last.	Jul 31 08:15
cubexyz	but can you get a GPU that doesn't get hot?	Jul 31 08:16
oiaohm	From a silcon stablity point of view you don't want to be crossing 50C	Jul 31 08:16
oiaohm	That is exactly the point you don't have to choose modern parts that age going to bake themselves to death.	Jul 31 08:17
cubexyz	I guess you have to hand it to the NASA engineers for Voyager 1, operating for 37 years and still communicates with Earth	Jul 31 08:17
oiaohm	You have to remember NASA engineers are building stuff now that will last as long as voyager 1	Jul 31 08:18
cubexyz	oiaohm, yes I realize that but I still don't know which video card to get for lastability	Jul 31 08:18
cubexyz	motherboard I have a good idea	Jul 31 08:19
oiaohm	Most of my video cards I get good life out of.	Jul 31 08:19
oiaohm	Mostly because I get themoal profile information.	Jul 31 08:19
oiaohm	And don't buy top permance.	Jul 31 08:19
oiaohm	Buy acceptable performance with low heat profile.	Jul 31 08:19
cubexyz	I don't want to mess around with thermal paste	Jul 31 08:20
oiaohm	Mid to bottom Nvidia have that.	Jul 31 08:20
oiaohm	I have never modified a video card cubexyz	Jul 31 08:20
oiaohm	So many video cards are overclocked to win performance points it not funny.	Jul 31 08:21
cubexyz	heat sink I can live with	Jul 31 08:21
oiaohm	Mid to bottom market they more care about getting the card produced cheeper.	Jul 31 08:21
cubexyz	giant fans going Whurrrrr all day I don't want	Jul 31 08:21
oiaohm	My gpu have had fans.	Jul 31 08:22
oiaohm	I do take a aircompesssor to my computer ever 12 months.	Jul 31 08:22
oiaohm	The sping clean.	Jul 31 08:22
cubexyz	how old is your computer?	Jul 31 08:22
oiaohm	Current one about 8 years.	Jul 31 08:23
oiaohm	Video card is newer.	Jul 31 08:23
oiaohm	From memory video card is 2008	Jul 31 08:23
oiaohm	Motherboard is 2004	Jul 31 08:23
oiaohm	Harddrives all over the place.	Jul 31 08:23
cubexyz	so really you're not continually upgrading	Jul 31 08:24
oiaohm	I upgrade when it breaks or annoys me too much.	Jul 31 08:24
oiaohm	Like Nvidia binary drives not supporting my video card simply any more.	Jul 31 08:24
oiaohm	Since my motherboard is 10 years old I am considering replaceing it.	Jul 31 08:25
oiaohm	cubexyz: I am 100 percent not on the windows tredmill. I am still on a Linux supported treadmil.	Jul 31 08:26
oiaohm	Ie once something gets 10 years old Linux support starts dropping.	Jul 31 08:26
cubexyz	haha	Jul 31 08:26
oiaohm	Also the 10 constant usage stuff starts getting upset.	Jul 31 08:27
cubexyz	well it would be interesting to see how long my server lasts	Jul 31 08:28
cubexyz	17 years so far	Jul 31 08:28
cubexyz	uptime is 265 days (last reboot was utility power failure)	Jul 31 08:29
oiaohm	I forgot I had replaced the GPU a little more recently.	Jul 31 08:29
oiaohm	May 15, 2012 is the current GPU.	Jul 31 08:29
oiaohm	cubexyz: I just looked at my service sheet	Jul 31 08:30
oiaohm	The prior card died from lizard in fan.	Jul 31 08:30
cubexyz	I can't seem to have multiple gui logins	Jul 31 08:31
cubexyz	so I'll create a new user for just remote logins	Jul 31 08:32
oiaohm	xsession file.	Jul 31 08:32
oiaohm	Yes annoynance of X11	Jul 31 08:32
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oiaohm	cubexyz: http://unix.stackexchange.com/questions/47359/what-is-xsession-for	Jul 31 08:34
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oiaohm	cubexyz: yes X11 is also designed with the idea a user will only be logged in 1 at a time.	Jul 31 08:35
oiaohm	cubexyz: yes it possible to make user login work more than once but its not highly recommended.	Jul 31 08:35
cubexyz	only graphical logins	Jul 31 08:35
cubexyz	multiple text logins are fine	Jul 31 08:35
oiaohm	Yep.	Jul 31 08:35
oiaohm	text side of Unix was designed with multi user in mind.	Jul 31 08:35
oiaohm	wayland is also designed with the multi user in mind	Jul 31 08:36
oiaohm	Fairly much X11 is broken.	Jul 31 08:36
oiaohm	Remember wayland lead developer is also a lead x.org developer who attempted for 4 years to fix X11 before going stuff it.	Jul 31 08:37
oiaohm	cubexyz: the more you play with X11 the more its annoying limitations show up.	Jul 31 08:37
oiaohm	Worse is most of those limitations are written into the protocol.	Jul 31 08:38
cubexyz	w only shows usernames up to 8 characters	Jul 31 08:40
cubexyz	exiting a program does seem a bit awkward in twm	Jul 31 08:42
cubexyz	but remote logins are faster than they have ever been	Jul 31 08:43
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schestowitz	https://twitter.com/RamiSilawi/status/626910436680704001	Jul 31 08:45
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@RamiSilawi: Will @ubuntu stay real #linux ? Don't lose innovation but ever never the #libre spirit ... #opensource http://t.co/NX6zUcVPvl		Jul 31 08:45
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@RamiSilawi: Will @ubuntu stay real #linux ? Don't lose innovation but ever never the #libre spirit ... #opensource http://t.co/NX6zUcVPvl		Jul 31 08:45
schestowitz	https://twitter.com/retroDoomer/status/626915380359921664	Jul 31 08:46
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@retroDoomer: I tried explaining this to someone earlier. They really didn't understand the implications of it https://t.co/v02o7FMwVE		Jul 31 08:46
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz: "Windows 10 includes keylogging spyware, on by default." -DaemonFC, former #Microsoft MVP, now at #techrights		Jul 31 08:46
schestowitz	https://twitter.com/matthewstinar/status/626941191729319936	Jul 31 08:46
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@matthewstinar: @schestowitz I still haven't decided which Ubuntu variant I'm going with this time. I'm pretty sure I'm not ready for Arch yet. Suggestions?		Jul 31 08:46
schestowitz	Mint?	Jul 31 08:46
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines 3 Twitter Clients For Linux That You Don't Want	Jul 31 08:46
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cubexyz	all Xlib programs can use -fn	Jul 31 08:53
oiaohm	cubexyz: You can run as many normally X11 applications per user as you like and use display to send them to different servers	Jul 31 08:53
oiaohm	cubexyz: problem is X11 Windows manager and the like use a session key that they talk to the server that they write into a single file.	Jul 31 08:54
oiaohm	cubexyz: ie wrong session key X11 server will not work for them.	Jul 31 08:54
cubexyz	yes I can just: ssh -XC cubeman@server /usr/local/bin/xwhatever	Jul 31 08:54
cubexyz	but i was curious about the remote gui stuff	Jul 31 08:55
oiaohm	rdp under weston is nicer than X11	Jul 31 08:55
oiaohm	No stupid session file to worry about.	Jul 31 08:55
oiaohm	cubexyz: sorry wrong file name	Jul 31 08:57
oiaohm	~/.Xauthority	Jul 31 08:57
oiaohm	The magic super cookie of annoyance.	Jul 31 08:57
cubexyz	one thing is I don't have a good method for IRC logging	Jul 31 08:58
cubexyz	so I have my main user logged in on the server	Jul 31 08:58
cubexyz	a better method would be to have a text based IRC logger	Jul 31 08:59
oiaohm	https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/X_Window_authorization	Jul 31 09:00
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oiaohm	cubexyz: this is what screws you over attempting to login multi times running a wm	Jul 31 09:00
oiaohm	cubexyz: wayland changes this. Wayland server gives application a file handle then application uses filehandle to talk to server. Nothing for authorisation written into the user home directory so it can run multi times without disaster.	Jul 31 09:03
schestowitz	> x	Jul 31 09:05
schestowitz	> http://www.itworld.com/article/2955001/linux/5-heros-of-the-linux-world.html	Jul 31 09:05
schestowitz	>	Jul 31 09:05
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schestowitz	> systemd is /not/ an init system. He's lost it.	Jul 31 09:05
schestowitz	Yes, I noticed this, laughed, and sort of mocked the inclusion in Twitter a couple of time.	Jul 31 09:05
oiaohm	schestowitz: systemd can be a init system or a demon management solution	Jul 31 09:06
oiaohm	schestowitz: systemd user mode is a demon management solution.	Jul 31 09:06
cubexyz	oiaohm, I can't think of anything I must to have X11 for when logging into the server	Jul 31 09:09
cubexyz	only thing is xchat logging needs X11	Jul 31 09:09
oiaohm	schestowitz: https://maci0.wordpress.com/2014/07/23/run-systemd-in-an-unprivileged-docker-container/ This is systemd running not privilaged with cgroup blocked and without PID1	Jul 31 09:10
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msb_	oiaohm: If you had more feral cats they would have caught that lizard before it killed your graphic card!	Jul 31 09:12
oiaohm	cubexyz: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ZNC You most likely want this on the server not xchat in the first place.	Jul 31 09:13
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oiaohm	msb_: Main reaosn I had a lizard problem my pet spider died.	Jul 31 09:14
msb_	Yikes! How big a spider was that?	Jul 31 09:14
msb_	Bigger than a Buick?	Jul 31 09:15
oiaohm	http://www.australiangeographic.com.au/topics/wildlife/2012/08/gallery-10-most-dangerous-spiders-in-australia/australian-spiders-the-10-most-dangerous_image9/	Jul 31 09:16
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oiaohm	Yes number 9 on the most dangerous spiders in Australia msb_	Jul 31 09:17
oiaohm	15cm across. There venom is not the threat is the scared reation. They also don't put webs everywhere they serousally chase their pray down.	Jul 31 09:17
schestowitz	https://twitter.com/SleepyPenguin1/status/626879417923567616	Jul 31 09:18
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@SleepyPenguin1: Microsoft evades billions of $$ in tax... #linux @ruskin147 http://t.co/tZjaURNjlv		Jul 31 09:18
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schestowitz	https://twitter.com/JZA/status/627030109309026304	Jul 31 09:19
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@JZA: @schestowitz I wish they fix the Kate protocols.		Jul 31 09:19
schestowitz	kate in kf5 works OK for me	Jul 31 09:19
oiaohm	msb_: a few pet huntsman spiders no lizard problems around the place.	Jul 31 09:19
msb_	Much rather have a Cat!	Jul 31 09:20
oiaohm	cat people hate them as there toxin kills cats.	Jul 31 09:20
oiaohm	Don't harm dogs.	Jul 31 09:20
msb_	Poisonous spiders get no mercy from me.	Jul 31 09:21
msb_	Squash or spray them on the spot.	Jul 31 09:22
msb_	But non-poisonous I encourage.	Jul 31 09:22
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msb_	I watched Road Games -- movie set in Australia -- a few days ago. Jamie Lee Curtis.	Jul 31 09:23
msb_	Are dingoes really unable to bark?	Jul 31 09:24
cubexyz	Laurie Strode knows how to survive murderous psychos	Jul 31 09:27
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Fedora LiveUSB Creator artwork	Jul 31 09:30
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines 5 Less known Linux Admin Tools	Jul 31 09:30
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines LaaS (Linux as a Service) -- What you can	Jul 31 09:46
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Migrate from Proprietary Software to Linux to	Jul 31 09:47
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Migrate from Proprietary Software to Linux to	Jul 31 09:47
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TweetTuxMachines	cloud http://t.co/RWwZaZrQIA	Jul 31 09:48
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Open source is the only way to operate,	Jul 31 09:48
TweetTuxMachines	Accuvant researchers to release open source	Jul 31 09:48
TweetTuxMachines	RFID access tool http://t.co/BsTnZPrvgJ	Jul 31 09:48
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Red Hat and Fedora http://t.co/jyjm0LSAMT	Jul 31 09:48
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Kim Dotcom to create Wikimedia-style open	Jul 31 09:48
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines systemd 223 Out Now, Linux Distro Vendors Urged	Jul 31 09:49
TweetTuxMachines	to Create Separate Package for python-systemd	Jul 31 09:49
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Ubuntu 15.10 Alpha 2 Releases Now Available for	Jul 31 09:49
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines SOME GTK+ SIGHTINGS https://t.co/BIZzpkpino	Jul 31 09:50
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*TweetTuxMachines @MakeMoneyCloud retweeted @tuxmachines: 'LaaS (Linux as a Service) -- What you...'		Jul 31 09:53
TweetTuxMachines	@MakeMoneyCloud 16:47 07/31 Dedicated Server 8GB DDR3 500G SATA	Jul 31 09:53
TweetTuxMachines	10T Transfer $49/mo http://t.co/szPXE1fQUf	Jul 31 09:53
TweetTuxMachines	(cloudservermarket.com) @tuxmachines LaaS	Jul 31 09:53
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-cloudservermarket.com \| Cloud Server Market \| SSD Cloud Server & Dedicated Server Market		Jul 31 09:53
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines New systemd Service Promises to Automatically	Jul 31 09:53
TweetTuxMachines	Swap Nvidia and AMD Video Drivers on Boot	Jul 31 09:53
TweetTuxMachines	http://t.co/r1IcY6SvhJ (news.softpedia.com)	Jul 31 09:53
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oiaohm	msb_: --Are dingoes really unable to bark?-- Most pure dingo cannot bark. Only howl. Cross breeds can bark.	Jul 31 10:00
oiaohm	msb_: key word is most some island breeds of dingos can bark and they are not cross breeds	Jul 31 10:00
msb_	So the movie is accurate. Thanks!	Jul 31 10:01
oiaohm	msb_: its also the define of bark.	Jul 31 10:04
oiaohm	Cannot bark by our ears.	Jul 31 10:04
msb_	oiaohm: Ultrasonic?	Jul 31 10:04
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msb_	Like bats?	Jul 31 10:04
oiaohm	Yep.	Jul 31 10:05
oiaohm	Dingo barks are normally out side human hearing.	Jul 31 10:06
oiaohm	So we class them as cannot bark. when its more we cannot hear it.	Jul 31 10:06
msb_	Wiki doesn't mention ultrasonic bark.	Jul 31 10:09
msb_	Wanshang Dhole -- supernatural dog-like creature in X-files episode "Alpha"	Jul 31 10:14
msb_	Actual Dhole -- https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dhole	Jul 31 10:14
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TweetTuxMachines	@RamiSilawi @tuxmachines Don't forget @corebirdclient ...	Jul 31 10:18
TweetTuxMachines	It's fully fledged and ready for @ubuntu 15.04	Jul 31 10:18
TweetTuxMachines	and @fedora 22	Jul 31 10:18
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines VectorLinux 7.1 “Light” Screencast and	Jul 31 10:18
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Goggles Music Manager 1.0.7 Adds Support for	Jul 31 10:18
TweetTuxMachines	Ratings and Tags to Filters, More	Jul 31 10:18
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schestowitz	https://twitter.com/RubenMassarotti/status/627045890381905920	Jul 31 10:20
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@RubenMassarotti: @schestowitz Want a better web? Join the Mozilla movement. There is something to do for everyone. Get started http://t.co/vr53dzO5Mb #fxhelp		Jul 31 10:20
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights--> www.mozilla.org \| Volunteer Opportunities at Mozilla — Mozilla		Jul 31 10:20
schestowitz	I help Mozilla in other ways...	Jul 31 10:20
schestowitz	https://twitter.com/RubenMassarotti/status/627046740571594752	Jul 31 10:24
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@RubenMassarotti: @schestowitz Thanks for help in developing a web freely and safely .		Jul 31 10:24
oiaohm	msb_: pure blood dingos do purr	Jul 31 10:27
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Fedora 23 Alpha Comes on August 11, Feature and	Jul 31 10:27
TweetTuxMachines	Software String Freeze Now in Effect	Jul 31 10:27
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines SteamOS Weekend Sale: Grab Some Linux Friendly	Jul 31 10:27
TweetTuxMachines	Games http://t.co/zV3q23LjL9 (www.phoronix.com)	Jul 31 10:27
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msb_	Wow!	Jul 31 10:27
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Benchmarking Middle-Earth: Shadow of Mordor On	Jul 31 10:27
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msb_	Now I want to see "Alpha"! Have to find the dvd.	Jul 31 10:29
oiaohm	msb_: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bark_%28sound%29	Jul 31 10:31
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oiaohm	msb_: It is kinda in the wikipedia.	Jul 31 10:31
oiaohm	The australian dingo bark does not sound like a normal dog bark.	Jul 31 10:32
msb_	As long as it's not a Wanshang Dhole!	Jul 31 10:32
oiaohm	msb_: Australian dingoes bark only in swooshing noises or in a mixture atonal/tonal.	Jul 31 10:32
oiaohm	Now that is if we can hear it.	Jul 31 10:33
oiaohm	So a dingo like dog making a dog like bark is a cross bread to be shot.	Jul 31 10:34
msb_	Sounds like normal bark: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i-GXvcnhE34	Jul 31 10:35
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.youtube.com \| Australia's Dingos don't Bark! Or do they??? - YouTube [ http://ur1.ca/nbbpq ]		Jul 31 10:35
oiaohm	msb_: that is a cross breed.	Jul 31 10:35
oiaohm	They would find that out if they did a DNA test.	Jul 31 10:35
oiaohm	msb_: I had a kepply dingo cross.	Jul 31 10:36
oiaohm	They look exactly the same to a normal dingo.	Jul 31 10:36
oiaohm	The difference is trainablity.	Jul 31 10:36
oiaohm	And bark.	Jul 31 10:36
msb_	https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A9bdlLqSRDk	Jul 31 10:36
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.youtube.com \| Dingo barking - YouTube [ http://ur1.ca/nbbqc ]		Jul 31 10:36
oiaohm	This is something nasty. To train a pure blood dingo you must get the pup before it eyes open.	Jul 31 10:39
oiaohm	The first creature it sees when it eyes open it the creature type it will obey.	Jul 31 10:39
msb_	https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wn2-Eri1oPY -- nice docu	Jul 31 10:42
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oiaohm	msb_: that last video bend in tail is a half breed. Due to a differance in bone count in tail between dingo and dog you end up with a particular bend in tail when they cross.	Jul 31 10:42
oiaohm	Ok video before last.	Jul 31 10:42
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oiaohm	msb_: the high sound out of that bark was close to a pure. The low sounds were the result of the cross.	Jul 31 10:42
oiaohm	msb_: this is the problem with you tube. Lot of people have half dingo half dog yet they call them dingo.	Jul 31 10:43
schestowitz	https://twitter.com/matthewstinar/status/627052012597813248 https://twitter.com/matthewstinar/status/627052205506494464	Jul 31 10:46
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@matthewstinar: @schestowitz I recall the graphics lagged and there was something off about the software manager. Maybe I'll take another look.		Jul 31 10:46
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@matthewstinar: @schestowitz It's been a while and Mint was certainly visually appealing.		Jul 31 10:46
oiaohm	msb_: http://www.dingosanctuary.org/dingo_old/dingo.html even in nature pure dingos normally don't bark. You are more likely to hear them purring.	Jul 31 10:53
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oiaohm	msb_: yes if you have cats for the purr you can have dingos in australia for it.	Jul 31 10:54
msb_	For some reason I've never liked dogs, always liked cats.	Jul 31 10:54
msb_	I think there was a nasty dog that barked at us every day on the way to school.;	Jul 31 10:55
msb_	Plus, they drool.	Jul 31 10:56
msb_	And shit everywhere.	Jul 31 10:56
oiaohm	Boy that does not sound like the dogs I had.	Jul 31 10:56
oiaohm	Ok drool into food bowl because I forget to give the dog a order to eat.	Jul 31 10:56
oiaohm	And the dog had been waiting for 30 mins.	Jul 31 10:57
oiaohm	I have always had working dogs msb_	Jul 31 10:57
oiaohm	So they are tollet trained and eat on command trained and so on.	Jul 31 10:57
msb_	I had neighbors and I used to hear her crying every day because the puppy had shit and pissed everywhere. I think they got rid of it.	Jul 31 10:57
oiaohm	I guess stupidly let pup in house before it was trained.	Jul 31 10:58
msb_	Cats come toilet-trained.	Jul 31 10:58
oiaohm	Not all cats come toilet trained.	Jul 31 10:59
oiaohm	Depends on breed.	Jul 31 10:59
msb_	All the ones I';ve had. Unless they were sick.	Jul 31 10:59
oiaohm	Same with dogs some dogs are cleaner than others.	Jul 31 10:59
msb_	Dogs are evil. They come from Microsoft and the US govt!!!	Jul 31 11:00
msb_	666! Evil! 666!	Jul 31 11:01
oiaohm	kelpie has a percentage of dingo.	Jul 31 11:01
oiaohm	Lot of my working dogs had percentage dingo msb_	Jul 31 11:01
msb_	What work did they do? Make fertilizer?	Jul 31 11:01
oiaohm	if not Australian Cattle Dog	Jul 31 11:02
oiaohm	msb_: basically I was working with cattle.	Jul 31 11:02
oiaohm	Due to the fact these dogs have been breed for Australian station usage they have been breed to be cleaner than you normal dogs.	Jul 31 11:03
oiaohm	msb_: basically pup that makes too much of mess earns it self a bullet and end of line.	Jul 31 11:03
msb_	Feed it to the giant tree-sloth bat-lizards!	Jul 31 11:04
msb_	Or Sharktopus.	Jul 31 11:06
oiaohm	msb_: Saint Bernard is another breed that is fairly simple to tollet train.	Jul 31 11:06
oiaohm	Again due to the same reason due to where they came from they would just kill the ones too hard to train.	Jul 31 11:06
oiaohm	So it what breed the dog is that defines how messy it is	Jul 31 11:07
msb_	St B is major drooler/slobberer.	Jul 31 11:08
oiaohm	Not all	Jul 31 11:08
oiaohm	Biggest problem with a Saint Bernad is there simple digging force and weight.	Jul 31 11:09
oiaohm	msb_: I have seen 3 of them crush a car.	Jul 31 11:09
msb_	oiaohm: How can dogs crush steel? Were they driving a tractor?	Jul 31 11:13
oiaohm	msb_: 4 and a half hours jumping up and down on it.	Jul 31 11:13
msb_	Cujo!	Jul 31 11:14
msb_	I watched that once. It was disgusting.	Jul 31 11:14
oiaohm	msb_: Its interesting watching the difference with https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alaskan_Malamute	Jul 31 11:15
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oiaohm	We have Alaskan Malamute that was breed in Australia for base usage and latter USA reimports.	Jul 31 11:15
oiaohm	The ones for base usage were culled based on cleanness and are massively cleaner dogs.	Jul 31 11:16
oiaohm	msb_: so I believe some of the problem with dogs and cleaness is poor breeding.	Jul 31 11:16
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cubexyz	one thing I don't understand about Xbox customers	Jul 31 12:27
cubexyz	they vehemently complain about how Microsoft treats them	Jul 31 12:27
cubexyz	can'	Jul 31 12:28
cubexyz	can	Jul 31 12:28
cubexyz	can't trade games, poor quality device keeps breaking etc	Jul 31 12:28
cubexyz	but they continue to give money to a company they hate	Jul 31 12:28
cubexyz	just starve the beast of cash	Jul 31 12:29
cubexyz	then the problem of microsoft will go away	Jul 31 12:29
oiaohm	Really when has that been different with game players.	Jul 31 12:32
oiaohm	I remember the Playstation 1 issues.	Jul 31 12:33
cubexyz	sega genesis is the clear counter-example	Jul 31 12:33
cubexyz	you buy the game, it's yours to trade or sell	Jul 31 12:33
oiaohm	I mean the broken hardware bit.	Jul 31 12:33
cubexyz	same answer	Jul 31 12:33
oiaohm	Gamers have historically been overly tollerant.	Jul 31 12:33
cubexyz	Sega Genesis, still have games that work for it	Jul 31 12:34
cubexyz	some people even play atari 2600	Jul 31 12:34
cubexyz	anything with a CD player in it will break for sure	Jul 31 12:34
oiaohm	I had the fun of early NES issues.	Jul 31 12:35
cubexyz	the stepper motor and spindle motor will fail in the cdrom	Jul 31 12:36
cubexyz	mechanical parts will fail	Jul 31 12:36
oiaohm	NES had issues with the contacts	Jul 31 12:37
abeNd-org	my wife had a summer job working for a subcontractor of gamestop repairing xbox (original), gamecubes, & psps.... how or why or what was in some of those systems...scary	Jul 31 12:38
cubexyz	I imagine cleaning the motherboard contacts on the NES would help	Jul 31 12:39
cubexyz	easier than repairing a cdrom at least	Jul 31 12:39
oiaohm	cubexyz: early nes suffered from hardware virus in the contacts.	Jul 31 12:39
oiaohm	where if 1 contact bent it preceded to detroy following catridges.	Jul 31 12:40
cubexyz	oiaohm, I found sci.electronics.repair is a good place for info	Jul 31 12:41
cubexyz	I assume google groups would have it	Jul 31 12:42
MinceR	who else managed a 54% hardware failure rate in gaming consoles, beside m$?	Jul 31 12:54
cubexyz	nntp.aioe.org is still around	Jul 31 12:55
cubexyz	well hopefully microsoft lost money on xbox	Jul 31 12:55
cubexyz	if they keep on losing money then... :)	Jul 31 12:56
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abeNd-org	yea, gamers are very forgiving of ms, & sony, i mean look at how many people keep coming back to the playstation network after how many hacks?	Jul 31 12:56
abeNd-org	xbox lost ms tons of money, i think they only started turning a profit with it late in the 360 days, & pretty sure they sell the console at a loss, only nintendo sells consoles for a profit...but poor nintendo isnt doing so hot overall	Jul 31 12:57
MinceR	yeah, and sony screwed ps2 users on advertised features	Jul 31 12:57
MinceR	gaming consoles suck	Jul 31 12:57
cubexyz	you're better off putting your money into a general purpose computer	Jul 31 12:57
abeNd-org	yes, but so does pc gaming, when you constantly have to buy a console priced video card to play whatever the latest game is	Jul 31 12:58
MinceR	while you can still get one	Jul 31 12:58
cubexyz	ok, well I mainly play older games	Jul 31 12:58
cubexyz	Loki/LGP, xboard, or homebrew	Jul 31 12:58
abeNd-org	and take console batman recently released, & then pulled, it still runs at horrible FPS, at least the one on ps4 is playable. the PC edition wont be fixed for ages	Jul 31 12:58
abeNd-org	isnt loki/lgp dead these days?	Jul 31 12:59
cubexyz	well loki is, not sure about lgp	Jul 31 13:00
cubexyz	LGP does seem to be mostly dead though	Jul 31 13:01
MinceR	http://cs6.pikabu.ru/post_img/2015/07/31/4/1438320138_629303719.jpg	Jul 31 13:02
abeNd-org	one thing edge has for it is no plugin infrastructure, no java, no flash	Jul 31 13:02
abeNd-org	keep it simple	Jul 31 13:03
abeNd-org	& maybe it wont suck as bad	Jul 31 13:03
cubexyz	well I doubt I'll use it, unless they port it to BSD :)	Jul 31 13:03
abeNd-org	that is called Safari on osx	Jul 31 13:04
abeNd-org	http://idle.slashdot.org/story/15/07/29/2223255/san-franciscos-public-works-agency-tests-paint-that-repels-urine?utm_source=feedly1.0mainlinkanon&utm_medium=feed - neat, but how about solving the homeless problem....	Jul 31 13:12
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MinceR	solving problems? that's not how the human species works	Jul 31 13:13
cubexyz	haha, paint that repels urine	Jul 31 13:14
abeNd-org	ok ok, how about rounding up all the homeless people & sending them to mars	Jul 31 13:15
abeNd-org	if they colonize the planet, they can call it home	Jul 31 13:15
MinceR	lol	Jul 31 13:17
MinceR	we can't afford to send that much mass to mars	Jul 31 13:17
abeNd-org	build a big pit, drop them all in it & call it a reality tv show version of http://www.imdb.com/title/tt3696720/ ?	Jul 31 13:24
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MinceR	i'd rather put all the rich criminals and dictators in a cage and tell them only one of them gets to come out alive	Jul 31 13:28
MinceR	(which would be a lie)	Jul 31 13:29
abeNd-org	how about housing the homeless in the huge mansions with the rich?	Jul 31 13:32
MinceR	it could work nicely, with particular rich people	Jul 31 13:32
abeNd-org	if someone has a nice 100 room mansion & they only use 2, cram it full of homeless people & some handlers	Jul 31 13:36
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Links 31/7/2015: Lennart Poettering as 'Linux	Jul 31 13:37
TweetTuxMachines	Hero' and systemd Conference Coming	Jul 31 13:37
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines HP ProBook 455 G2: A low-cost business notebook	Jul 31 14:42
TweetTuxMachines	for Ubuntu lovers [Review]	Jul 31 14:42
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msb_	Solutions to "the homeless problem": https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Marching_Morons	Jul 31 15:08
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cubexyz	ha, an interesting story	Jul 31 15:19
cubexyz	I like the part how the con man gets conned	Jul 31 15:20
cubexyz	Idiocracy: The government is run on behalf of a few mega-corporations	Jul 31 15:22
cubexyz	oiaohm is not here	Jul 31 17:02
cubexyz	oh well I just discovered something	Jul 31 17:02
cubexyz	my motif program does in fact work on twm and tinywm	Jul 31 17:03
cubexyz	it's just that one window starts in a collasped state	Jul 31 17:03
cubexyz	no idea why that is but it's correctable	Jul 31 17:04
MinceR	i like that story	Jul 31 17:38
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DaemonFC	I made a post about forced Windows updates on Amazon Forums.	Jul 31 20:13
DaemonFC	The ending was, "The problem with Windows 10 will be that every Home user is now a canary in the coal mine so that Microsoft will know if it's OK to send the updates to their important customers.".	Jul 31 20:13
DaemonFC	I listed a bunch of examples of how broken updates go out once every few months on average, and that there won't be a way to avoid them now.	Jul 31 20:13
MinceR	DaemonFC: http://cs6.pikabu.ru/post_img/2015/07/31/4/1438320138_629303719.jpg	Jul 31 20:14
DaemonFC	MinceR, Calling Edge "Internet Explorer" is an insult to Internet Explorer based on my experiences with it.	Jul 31 20:14
DaemonFC	Internet Explorer 11 was almost usable.	Jul 31 20:15
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MinceR	that's like saying "calling bìng 'live search' is an insult to 'live search'"	Jul 31 20:15
DaemonFC	They cut out the most important feature in my opinion. Tracking Protection Lists. There's no such thing in Edge, which means you have to go back to using the fucking HOSTS file like it's 1999.	Jul 31 20:16
DaemonFC	Or use another browser, if you find one that Windows 10 didn't break.	Jul 31 20:16
MinceR	well, at least they didn't patch out the support for the hosts file from the code they ripped off bsd	Jul 31 20:16
DaemonFC	Well, there is something funny about the HOSTS file cutting off Microsoft Edge from loading a pornographic advertisement with "We're sorry, but we can't contact this site right now.".	Jul 31 20:17
DaemonFC	MinceR, No, but if you replace the HOSTS file with your own, Windows Defender pops up and alerts you that malware has tampered with the HOSTS file, and that it is being restored. :)	Jul 31 20:18
DaemonFC	So, you have to add C:\Windows\System32\drivers\etc\HOSTS to the exclusions list.	Jul 31 20:18
MinceR	lol	Jul 31 20:18
MinceR	what a train wreck	Jul 31 20:18
DaemonFC	Which is dumb, because there's never been any malware that has _only_ tampered with the HOSTS file.	Jul 31 20:19
DaemonFC	MinceR, IE 11 is still there, but they more or less hid it.	Jul 31 20:20
DaemonFC	The only icon leading to it is in the "Windows Accessories" menu.	Jul 31 20:21
DaemonFC	Apparently, it's going to live on as a zombie web browser that only gets security updates for the next ten years.	Jul 31 20:21
DaemonFC	:/	Jul 31 20:21
DaemonFC	It was getting too difficult to maintain with new features, so they forked the engine, stripped out a bunch of legacy crap, and called the resulting engine EdgeHTML.	Jul 31 20:23
DaemonFC	So now there are two rendering engines in Windows. MSHTML and EdgeHTML. They really are quite different.	Jul 31 20:23
DaemonFC	As far as I know, there will never be any other browsers using EdgeHTML because it has no ActiveX support, so you can't embed it in other applications, unless you're a Windows Store App, where it's part of that API.	Jul 31 20:24
DaemonFC	"Classic" Windows apps won't have access to any part of it. Even Edge isn't a "Classic" app. It's running on the desktop by way of the new feature that lets you run Windows Store apps on the desktop.	Jul 31 20:25
MinceR	obviously, m$ doesn't want anyone else develop browsers	Jul 31 20:25
MinceR	just like crApple	Jul 31 20:25
DaemonFC	Which is kind of sad.	Jul 31 20:25
MinceR	you're in their jail and they call the shots.	Jul 31 20:25
DaemonFC	The engine itself isn't too bad, but the only browser that is allowed to use it sucks.	Jul 31 20:26
MinceR	no, what is sad is that people use, pay for and advertise these shitty platforms.	Jul 31 20:26
XRevan86	DaemonFC: The engine is not crossplatform.	Jul 31 20:26
MinceR	there's a decent engine anyway, it's called gecko	Jul 31 20:26
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DaemonFC	http://www.theregister.co.uk/2015/07/30/win10_real_users_mail/	Jul 31 20:53
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DaemonFC	Actually, the default setting for the forced updates is to reboot your computer when Windows thinks you've been away from it for a while. It doesn't say whether or not it will stop if you have a word processor open with a document you haven't saved, or a web browser with pages you haven't read yet, etc.	Jul 31 20:54
DaemonFC	You can change it to "ask you to schedule a reboot", but that's all you can really change.	Jul 31 20:55
MinceR	don't fix those windows 10 horrors, eliminate the horror that is windows 10	Jul 31 20:55
DaemonFC	The updates are going in, one way or another, and whether or not your PC reboots is sort of up in the air.	Jul 31 20:55
MinceR	well, on a laptop owned by a client i've already experienced the wonderful idea of "we'll reboot your machine when we think it's right"	Jul 31 20:56
MinceR	it's really nice if you don't need to do _any_ work done with that computer, _ever_	Jul 31 20:56
schestowitz	https://twitter.com/kanarip/status/627206094864166912	Jul 31 20:58
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@kanarip: @jwildeboer @schestowitz For one, they only accept invited authors. If #redhat be so open about it, let's discuss topics. Somewhere open.		Jul 31 20:58
schestowitz	DaemonFC: thanks, saw that link	Jul 31 20:58
DaemonFC	http://www.theregister.co.uk/2015/07/31/rising_and_ongoing_cost_of_windows/	Jul 31 21:03
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DaemonFC	I think this goes a little bit too far.	Jul 31 21:03
DaemonFC	"DirectX 11.1 was released in early 2013, some six and a bit years before the January 2020 end of life for Windows 7. It was also an Xbox One exclusive so all those Xbox 360 users just got shoved off a cliff!"	Jul 31 21:03
DaemonFC	The graphics card in the XBOX 360 was only capable of running a subset of Direct3d 10.	Jul 31 21:04
MinceR	it has been "try to use sometimes, pay forever" for a while	Jul 31 21:04
MinceR	especially if you value your sanity.	Jul 31 21:04
DaemonFC	You can't magically add new features to hardware that doesn't support them.	Jul 31 21:04
MinceR	the ui randomly losing focus is _not_ good for sanity.	Jul 31 21:04
MinceR	most xbox 360s can't even run a subset of the empty set.	Jul 31 21:05
DaemonFC	DirectX 12 should work on any recent graphics card.	Jul 31 21:05
MinceR	since they're fried.	Jul 31 21:05
MinceR	http://www.ign.com/articles/2009/08/17/report-xbox-360-failure-rate-reaches-54	Jul 31 21:05
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MinceR	they have the functionality of a doorstop.	Jul 31 21:06
DaemonFC	If it really is between 50 and 70% faster than DirectX 11.1, then it will keep the older cards going for years.	Jul 31 21:06
DaemonFC	Assuming that game designers actually use it.	Jul 31 21:06
DaemonFC	MinceR, The original consoles were very bad.	Jul 31 21:06
DaemonFC	The redesigns have a much lower failure rate.	Jul 31 21:06
DaemonFC	I have an XBOX 360 again because someone gave it to me.	Jul 31 21:07
DaemonFC	Along with a bunch of games.	Jul 31 21:07
DaemonFC	I missed a bunch of them because there was no way to get the original console to cooperate, so I ended up selling it on Craigslist after my eighth refurbished console from the Microsoft repair center.	Jul 31 21:07
schestowitz	[20:13] <DaemonFC> The ending was, "The problem with Windows 10 will be that every Home user is now a canary in the coal mine so that Microsoft will know if it's OK to send the updates to their important customers.".	Jul 31 21:08
schestowitz	LOL	Jul 31 21:08
DaemonFC	I joked that their repair center was probably in McAllen, Texas so they could just toss them over the border into Mexico in a big pile.	Jul 31 21:08
MinceR	lol	Jul 31 21:08
DaemonFC	Somehow, opening the "Money" app triggered Windows to run it in the background and give me stock updates.	Jul 31 21:12
MinceR	surprise of the day for me: http://www.gordoni.com/os-sizes.html	Jul 31 21:12
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.gordoni.com \| Operating System Sizes		Jul 31 21:12
MinceR	some monolithic kernels are smaller than some microkernels	Jul 31 21:12
MinceR	especially plan9	Jul 31 21:12
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DaemonFC	http://www.chicagotribune.com/business/yourmoney/ct-marksjarvis-0802-biz-20150731-column.html	Jul 31 21:19
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DaemonFC	There we go again.	Jul 31 21:20
DaemonFC	"We're payin them $7.25 an hour. What on Earth is stopping them from buying a house!?" :)	Jul 31 21:20
schestowitz	https://twitter.com/Godzilla_Govt/status/627211714401038337	Jul 31 21:21
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@Godzilla_Govt: @schestowitz Oh. Okay. Go back to Zzz.... : }		Jul 31 21:21
schestowitz	https://twitter.com/Zeipt/status/627212248486944768	Jul 31 21:23
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@Zeipt: analysts say because Windows 10 has an Adobe Flash plug-in already installed, Edge could pose a bigger security risk https://t.co/LNOqSsnBBf		Jul 31 21:23
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz: The 'new' (rebranded) Microsoft browser has brand new security issues http://t.co/VQxXNee0qE		Jul 31 21:23
schestowitz	[00:20] <msb_> So does Microsoft==RedHat? Basically, yes.	Jul 31 21:24
schestowitz	nope	Jul 31 21:24
schestowitz	it was a straw man	Jul 31 21:25
schestowitz	from redhat staff	Jul 31 21:25
schestowitz	DaemonFC: thanks for sharing experiences with vista 10	Jul 31 21:25
schestowitz	I mention you in some recent posts, it helps to hear from one who actually used it	Jul 31 21:25
MinceR	redcrap is yet another faithful follower of microsoft	Jul 31 21:26
schestowitz	no, that's novell	Jul 31 21:26
DaemonFC	yep	Jul 31 21:26
schestowitz	but redhat hired some MS managers	Jul 31 21:26
schestowitz	for virt	Jul 31 21:26
DaemonFC	It's pretty easy to turn Flash off in Edge.	Jul 31 21:26
DaemonFC	Most sites will fall back to HTML 5 now if Flash isn't available.	Jul 31 21:27
DaemonFC	I don't have Flash installed in Firefox. It's mostly just used for tracking, gigantic ads, and malware.	Jul 31 21:27
schestowitz	http://www.theregister.co.uk/2015/07/29/windows_10_sysadmin_says_average_joe_will_be_happy/ http://www.theregister.co.uk/2015/07/31/stopping_windows_10_downloads_corporate_network/	Jul 31 21:29
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.theregister.co.uk \| Windows 10: A SYSADMIN speaks his brains – and says MEH • The Register [ http://ur1.ca/nbhna ]		Jul 31 21:29
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.theregister.co.uk \| Don't want Windows 10 FILTH on the company network? Step this way • The Register [ http://ur1.ca/nbhnb ]		Jul 31 21:29
schestowitz	DaemonFC: true today	Jul 31 21:29
schestowitz	maybe not 5 years ago	Jul 31 21:29
schestowitz	b/c of webm and mobile	Jul 31 21:30
MinceR	m$ has several followers	Jul 31 21:30
schestowitz	MS could help it regain ground if vista10 gets picked up by enough fools	Jul 31 21:30
schestowitz	MinceR: yeah	Jul 31 21:30
DaemonFC	Many of them are actually using MPEG-4.	Jul 31 21:30
schestowitz	MinceR: it pays for them	Jul 31 21:30
schestowitz	in twitter :-)	Jul 31 21:30
DaemonFC	Microsoft and Apple have deliberately avoided supporting anything else.	Jul 31 21:30
schestowitz	where fake followers are a "product"	Jul 31 21:30
schestowitz	DaemonFC: that pay the MPAG cartel	Jul 31 21:30
schestowitz	MPEG-LA	Jul 31 21:31
schestowitz	it's an obstruction to Android free of charge, Firefox, etc,.	Jul 31 21:31
schestowitz	basically Free software cannot be freely distributed with that patented BS	Jul 31 21:31
schestowitz	Even if there's a free implementation	Jul 31 21:31
schestowitz	opens door to litigation by trolls	Jul 31 21:31
schestowitz	funded by MS and Apple	Jul 31 21:31
DaemonFC	MPEG-4 support is also what's really causing the Stagefright bug.	Jul 31 21:32
DaemonFC	So, it's made pretty much every Android phone unsafe for the time being, and some people will get a patch and some won't.	Jul 31 21:33
MinceR	don't expect the industry to realize that the read-only image approach to mobile/IoT OS-es is extremely dangerous	Jul 31 21:33
DaemonFC	Years back, there was a really popular way to install malware on Windows computers.	Jul 31 21:34
DaemonFC	You'd give the victim a Windows Media file and flag it as "protected", right?	Jul 31 21:34
MinceR	you didn't need to do anything, they already had windows	Jul 31 21:34
DaemonFC	So, Windows Media Player would point you towards the "license server" using IE's rendering engine, then the site installs malware.	Jul 31 21:34
DaemonFC	Being able to run executable code or making your media player point you towards arbitrary websites is a really bad thing for security, but the companies that make these "standards" don't really care.	Jul 31 21:36
DaemonFC	Windows still doesn't recognize Ogg Vorbis as "music files"	Jul 31 21:36
DaemonFC	It will recognize FLAC now, but not Vorbis.	Jul 31 21:36
MinceR	they're more afraid of vorbis than flac	Jul 31 21:36
DaemonFC	I have thousands of Ogg Vorbis files. I told Cortana to play a song. So it said "I'm sorry. There doesn't appear to be any songs on your computer.".	Jul 31 21:37
schestowitz	> BF Skinner invented the START button in Win3.1 ?	Jul 31 21:37
schestowitz	>	Jul 31 21:37
schestowitz	> http://tech.slashdot.org/story/15/07/30/2231253/the-weird-history-of-the-microsoft-windows-start-button	Jul 31 21:37
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-tech.slashdot.org \| The Weird History of the Microsoft Windows Start Button - Slashdot [ http://ur1.ca/nbhpv ]		Jul 31 21:37
schestowitz	>	Jul 31 21:37
schestowitz	> and ex-Microsoft Danny Oran holds the patents for the Windows 95 Start menu and taskbar ..	Jul 31 21:37
schestowitz	>	Jul 31 21:37
schestowitz	> http://uk.businessinsider.com/history-of-the-windows-start-button-2015-7?r=US&IR=T	Jul 31 21:37
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-uk.businessinsider.com \| History of the Windows Start button - Business Insider [ http://ur1.ca/nbhpy ]		Jul 31 21:37
schestowitz	>	Jul 31 21:37
schestowitz	> I know my memory isn't as good as it used to be, but I can't recall any of this. I do know there were any number of menuing guis out there at the time.	Jul 31 21:37
schestowitz	I saw this, I wrote about it this morning, and given who writes and promotes this, it's just Microsoft marketing disguised as "history".	Jul 31 21:37
DaemonFC	MinceR, Yeah. I just wish Mozilla would stop doing stupid things to Firefox.	Jul 31 21:49
DaemonFC	Like, how you no longer even have basic control over scripts without NoScript.	Jul 31 21:50
MinceR	indeed	Jul 31 21:50
MinceR	also, it often forgets the favicon of a tab	Jul 31 21:50
MinceR	also, it can be difficult to drag the page link to the bookmarks sidebar	Jul 31 21:51
MinceR	it recognizes that i'm trying to drag the page link slowly	Jul 31 21:51
MinceR	and sometimes even if it does, the line indicating where it will go fails to appear	Jul 31 21:51
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines The Document Foundation Released LibreOffice	Jul 31 21:59
TweetTuxMachines	4.4.5 With Bug Fixes http://t.co/ajE65v0pHT	Jul 31 21:59
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Akademy 2015 coming to an end	Jul 31 21:59
TweetTuxMachines	https://t.co/ycAS0Q3uLR (dot.kde.org)	Jul 31 21:59
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DaemonFC	Ryan Farmer	Jul 31 22:06
DaemonFC	Just now ·	Jul 31 22:06
DaemonFC	.	Jul 31 22:06
DaemonFC	In what passes for the news, some wealthy executive in Texas says that he dropped his iPhone from a mile and a half above the ground when the door to the plane he was in opened and it fell out of his pocket. When he found the device with "Find my iPhone", in the middle of a field, it still worked.	Jul 31 22:06
DaemonFC	Maybe he can tell other iPhone users his secret. Usually, dropping them from five feet means that the screen looks like a broken windshield when you pick them up.	Jul 31 22:06
MinceR	the trick is that since the hypePhone can't do anything, even if it's disintegrated, it doesn't lose any functionality	Jul 31 22:06
DaemonFC	Supposedly, the iPhone 6 was going to fix this with sapphire glass, and that never happened. In drop tests, the Galaxy S6 is more than twice as likely to survive a five foot drop, even without a case.	Jul 31 22:07
MinceR	even though the S-sucks is designed to break easily	Jul 31 22:08
schestowitz	or at least bend	Jul 31 22:10
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines FFmpeg's Leader Resigns, Hopes To Make Libav	Jul 31 22:20
TweetTuxMachines	Developers Come Back http://t.co/zdsv0WGl4J	Jul 31 22:20
TweetTuxMachines	(www.phoronix.com)	Jul 31 22:20
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines HP ProBook 455 G2: A low-cost business notebook	Jul 31 22:20
TweetTuxMachines	for Ubuntu lovers [Review]	Jul 31 22:20
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines 30 Sys Admins to Follow on SysAdmin Day	Jul 31 22:20
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines FFmpeg's Leader Resigns, Hopes To Make Libav	Jul 31 22:20
TweetTuxMachines	Developers Come Back http://t.co/6dmTps2BFp	Jul 31 22:20
TweetTuxMachines	(www.tuxmachines.org)	Jul 31 22:20
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schestowitz	http://a.disquscdn.com/uploads/mediaembed/images/2333/8777/original.jpg?w=800&h	Jul 31 22:22
schestowitz	https://twitter.com/MariusNestor/status/627227270336380929	Jul 31 22:23
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@MariusNestor: @schestowitz check out the comment with the meme http://t.co/KjPZMPvh28 :))		Jul 31 22:23
schestowitz	I thought I had noticed the similarity. Was all the text ripoff too?	Jul 31 22:23
schestowitz	Look ma! I can copy and paste release notes... err... COMPOSE AN ARTICLE. http://www.itrunsonlinux.com/desktopos/systemd-v223-released/	Jul 31 22:25
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.itrunsonlinux.com \| Systemd v223 released \| It runs on Linux [ http://ur1.ca/nbi79 ]		Jul 31 22:25
schestowitz	https://twitter.com/MariusNestor/status/627228719648796672	Jul 31 22:27
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@MariusNestor: @schestowitz LOL		Jul 31 22:27
schestowitz	https://twitter.com/MariusNestor/status/627228827429797888	Jul 31 22:28
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@MariusNestor: @schestowitz I saw that earlier…		Jul 31 22:28
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schestowitz	Probably got the h/t from SoftPedia, err... inspiration	Jul 31 22:28
schestowitz	worry not, Rianne and I have mentally blacklisted that site	Jul 31 22:29
schestowitz	https://twitter.com/Metztli_IT/status/627229501559214084	Jul 31 22:29
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@Metztli_IT: Quite likely Microsoft apologists, blinded by #NSA-patriotic pride, will brand @schestowitz as a Kremlin agent ;-) https://t.co/Ix1omC88Gp		Jul 31 22:29
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@SputnikInt: #Windows10 Spies on Almost Everything You Do, Unless You Opt Out http://t.co/usKp4CyS36 #data #surveillance #privacy http://t.co/LMVhe2Rjn8		Jul 31 22:29
schestowitz	https://twitter.com/MariusNestor/status/627229569016299520	Jul 31 22:30
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@MariusNestor: @schestowitz The text is a remake of the text from Softpedia, as no one else bothered to write an article on the subject…		Jul 31 22:30
schestowitz	https://twitter.com/MariusNestor/status/627229742509498372	Jul 31 22:30
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@MariusNestor: @schestowitz but of course, I can recognize my writing anywhere… unfortunately :)		Jul 31 22:30
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schestowitz	https://twitter.com/PatentWire/status/627111254545403904 https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/627211337463132160 https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/627211534234710016 https://twitter.com/mf1337/status/627087664110522368	Jul 31 22:39
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@PatentWire: Vista 10 Inherently Criminal: Vandalising the Competition (Dual Boot, Rival Web Browsers, Online Services) http://t.co/q3mMlD0Mrh		Jul 31 22:39
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights--> techrights.org \| Vista 10 Inherently Criminal: Vandalising the Competition (Dual Boot, Rival Web Browsers, Online Services) \| Techrights		Jul 31 22:39
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz: The 'new' (rebranded) Microsoft browser has brand new security issues http://t.co/VQxXNee0qE		Jul 31 22:39
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights--> www.komando.com \| The new Microsoft browser has brand new security issues \| Komando.com		Jul 31 22:39
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz: Microsoft has no "security issues", it has back doors and front doors http://t.co/pfhJZffIo8		Jul 31 22:39
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@mf1337: As Microsoft AstroTurfing/PR Budget Runs Dry, Vista 10 Truths Come Out http://t.co/otDxFAot3b		Jul 31 22:39
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schestowitz	https://twitter.com/Zeipt/status/627212248486944768 https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/627216758542352384]	Jul 31 22:39
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@Zeipt: analysts say because Windows 10 has an Adobe Flash plug-in already installed, Edge could pose a bigger security risk https://t.co/LNOqSsnBBf		Jul 31 22:39
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz: How to make #vista10 "news" after it's news? Dice-run #slashdot cites Microsoft booster with Microsoft marketing disguised as "history".		Jul 31 22:39
DaemonFC	MinceR, I put a Lifeproof case on it.	Jul 31 22:56
DaemonFC	I don't think it'll get damaged, but it did bulk up the phone a bit. :P	Jul 31 22:57
MinceR	at least that will hide the rear glass cover	Jul 31 22:57
DaemonFC	http://www.techtimes.com/articles/43177/20150330/samsung-galaxy-s6-indestructible-heres-video-prove.htm	Jul 31 23:00
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DaemonFC	"Check out the video for yourself"	Jul 31 23:00
DaemonFC	"Video does not exist."	Jul 31 23:00
MinceR	i'm pretty sure it's destructible	Jul 31 23:01
DaemonFC	Yeah, I heard a couple of people say that they dropped their phone and cracked the glass on the back.	Jul 31 23:01
DaemonFC	Yikes.	Jul 31 23:01
DaemonFC	Why would they do something like that? Put glass on the back of the phone?	Jul 31 23:02
DaemonFC	It looks great until you drop it.	Jul 31 23:02
DaemonFC	You can still see the back of the phone through the case.	Jul 31 23:03
DaemonFC	It just puts some hard plastic over it.	Jul 31 23:04
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Life in a Post-Container World and Why Linux	Jul 31 23:06
TweetTuxMachines	Will Play a Diminished Role	Jul 31 23:06
TweetTuxMachines	http://t.co/yLvobbUwHW (thenewstack.io)	Jul 31 23:06
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Life in a Post-Container World and Why Linux	Jul 31 23:07
TweetTuxMachines	Will Play a Diminished Role	Jul 31 23:07
TweetTuxMachines	http://t.co/JCihvQpY5a (www.tuxmachines.org)	Jul 31 23:07
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org \| Life in a Post-Container World and Why Linux Will Play a Diminished Role \| Tux Machines		Jul 31 23:07
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Most popular web browsers among Fedora users	Jul 31 23:07
TweetTuxMachines	http://t.co/ffZnAKIH5S (www.tuxmachines.org)	Jul 31 23:07
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MinceR	because the crApple fanboys keep crying stupid bullshit like "premium materials"	Jul 31 23:10
MinceR	even though they have absolutely no clue about material science	Jul 31 23:11
DaemonFC	MinceR, Like the premium battery that zips from 100% to 0% as you watch? :)	Jul 31 23:16
DaemonFC	They only have an 1,800 mAh battery in the iPhone 6.	Jul 31 23:17
DaemonFC	So unless you turn the display backlight down to where you can barely make out the screen, the battery dies very quickly.	Jul 31 23:17
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MinceR	yeah	Jul 31 23:20
DaemonFC	I think the 2,550 in my S6 is about the lowest I'd feel comfortable with.	Jul 31 23:20
MinceR	and like the premium metal case that absorbs the radio waves you're trying to communicate with and the radio waves you're trying to charge the battery with	Jul 31 23:20
DaemonFC	It makes it about 1-1.5 days on a charge, which is fine.	Jul 31 23:20
MinceR	the best back cover material/texture i've experienced so far was that of the nexus 7 (2013)	Jul 31 23:21
DaemonFC	I still think they should have put a bigger battery in the S6.	Jul 31 23:21
MinceR	looks nice and doesn't slip out of my hand	Jul 31 23:21
DaemonFC	3,000 would have been ideal, imo.	Jul 31 23:21
MinceR	also doesn't collect fingerprints	Jul 31 23:21
DaemonFC	I got a portable charger that can fully charge the phone four times though.	Jul 31 23:21
MinceR	(not visibly, anyway)	Jul 31 23:21
MinceR	i have a power bank but i mostly use it as a flashlight :)	Jul 31 23:21
DaemonFC	I have to say that I'm not impressed with Samsung's handling of Stagefright.	Jul 31 23:22
DaemonFC	How long has it been since this was disclosed? No comment from Samsung.	Jul 31 23:22
MinceR	the platform should use a package manager to update itself, like gnu/linux distros do	Jul 31 23:23
DaemonFC	That's the thing, MinceR....	Jul 31 23:23
DaemonFC	The S6 has that ability.	Jul 31 23:23
MinceR	for system files?	Jul 31 23:23
MinceR	oh, also, updating shouldn't break root	Jul 31 23:23
DaemonFC	There's this thing called KNOX that Samsung can use to circumvent the carrier and update the phone right away.	Jul 31 23:23
DaemonFC	Yeah.	Jul 31 23:23
MinceR	i didn't think knox did that	Jul 31 23:24
DaemonFC	Oh, you can root your S6, but it blows an efuse.	Jul 31 23:24
MinceR	even if you root it via exploit?	Jul 31 23:24
DaemonFC	That way, even if you revert the rooting, Samsung knows to void your warranty.	Jul 31 23:24
DaemonFC	Yep.	Jul 31 23:24
MinceR	i rooted my galaxy tab pro 8.4, which has knox, with an exploit and it still says "Status: Official" under about	Jul 31 23:25
DaemonFC	http://www.androidrootz.com/2015/05/how-to-root-galaxy-s6-without-tripping.html	Jul 31 23:25
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.androidrootz.com \| How to Root Galaxy S6 & S6 Edge without Tripping Knox! [PingPong Root] ~ AndroidRootz.com \| Source for Android Rooting, ROMS, Tricks and More! [ http://ur1.ca/nbir8 ]		Jul 31 23:25
DaemonFC	hmm, apparently there is a way to root it without knox knowing to do that.	Jul 31 23:25
MinceR	i couldn't get it to chroot so far, though	Jul 31 23:25
MinceR	hopefully using a non-busybox implementation will work	Jul 31 23:26
DaemonFC	MinceR, The thing about it is, I don't own the phone.	Jul 31 23:29
DaemonFC	Sprint owns the phone, and I'm leasing it from them.	Jul 31 23:29
MinceR	that sucks	Jul 31 23:30
MinceR	i always bought my phones unlocked	Jul 31 23:30
DaemonFC	I don't want to do anything to it that might have them say "We're not taking it back, and you owe us the buyout payment of $200.".	Jul 31 23:30
DaemonFC	MinceR, Yeah, but it made sense, financially, for me.	Jul 31 23:31
MinceR	understandable	Jul 31 23:31
DaemonFC	It was going to cost me $80 a month to keep using my old LG G2, even though I owned it.	Jul 31 23:31
MinceR	well, usually they get at least as much back on your extra monthly payments	Jul 31 23:31
DaemonFC	They offered me a Sprint Unlimited plan with the Galaxy S6 lease included for $75.	Jul 31 23:31
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MinceR	is it GSM/UMTS?	Jul 31 23:32
DaemonFC	No. It's CDMA.	Jul 31 23:32
MinceR	does that use a SIM[-equivalent]?	Jul 31 23:33
DaemonFC	It does support GSM, but only for roaming. It has a SIM that's permanently built-in to the phone.	Jul 31 23:33
DaemonFC	But the SIM is only for roaming on GSM networks.	Jul 31 23:33
MinceR	i see.	Jul 31 23:33
DaemonFC	Yeah, CDMA doesn't use a SIM.	Jul 31 23:34
DaemonFC	You tell your carrier the IMEI number and they use that to identify your phone on their network.	Jul 31 23:34
MinceR	that sucks	Jul 31 23:34
DaemonFC	CDMA is actually quite popular here in the US, but I don't think anyone else uses it.	Jul 31 23:34
DaemonFC	You go to the EU or Canada and GSM is mandated by law.	Jul 31 23:34
MinceR	:>	Jul 31 23:35
DaemonFC	Sprint and Verizon are CDMA.	Jul 31 23:35
DaemonFC	AT&T and T-Mobile are GSM.	Jul 31 23:35
DaemonFC	But that comes with a gotcha.	Jul 31 23:35
DaemonFC	AT&T and T-Mobile use different frequencies than GSM in Canada or the EU.	Jul 31 23:35
DaemonFC	T-Mobile is pretty infamous for being the worst of the four major carriers in the US.	Jul 31 23:36
DaemonFC	Their network sucks.	Jul 31 23:36
DaemonFC	Right now, they're growing their subscriber base by offering cheaper plans, but they're not cheap enough, in my opinion, to deal with their network gaps.	Jul 31 23:37
DaemonFC	Sprint has been improving rapidly. It's in third place, but the difference between Sprint and AT&T isn't what it used to be. Over the last year, they've built up their network to where you'd be hard-pressed to tell the difference, but Sprint is much cheaper than AT&T.	Jul 31 23:38
DaemonFC	AT&T got rid of their unlimited data plans.	Jul 31 23:38
DaemonFC	For every GB you want in your plan, you have to add $10 a month to the base service price, and if you go over by any part of 1 GB, it's $15 per GB.	Jul 31 23:39
DaemonFC	So, by the time you get done adding 3-4 GB to your plan, you're up at about $120-130 a month.	Jul 31 23:39
DaemonFC	AT&T is pretty well known for being an iPhone carrier. Almost everyone you see with an iPhone is on AT&T even though you don't have to be on AT&T anymore.	Jul 31 23:40
DaemonFC	I guess they gouge because more of their customer base is willing to let them get away with it.	Jul 31 23:40
DaemonFC	Do they spend the money improving their network? Not really. Most of it goes to paying off politicians and executive bonus packages.	Jul 31 23:41
DaemonFC	Their network really wasn't prepared to deal with the original iPhone. Customers who had detailed billing were getting 10 pound packages in the mail filled with hundreds of sheets of paper, telling them every time their iPhone made a network request that month.	Jul 31 23:42
DaemonFC	People started saying "Get AT&T and kill a tree.".	Jul 31 23:42
DaemonFC	MinceR, https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/300-page_iPhone_bill	Jul 31 23:43
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-en.wikipedia.org \| 300-page iPhone bill - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia [ http://ur1.ca/hb857 ]		Jul 31 23:43
MinceR	still a better product than the hypePhone itself	Jul 31 23:43
DaemonFC	http://web.archive.org/web/20071119172546/http://www.computerworld.com/action/article.do?command=viewArticleBasic&articleId=9041858&pageNumber=2	Jul 31 23:45
DaemonFC	It gets better.	Jul 31 23:45
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-web.archive.org \| Technology's 10 Most Mortifying Moments		Jul 31 23:45
DaemonFC	"such as when the company eliminated its 4GB model and cut the price of the 8GB model by $200 just two months after the devices had launched. Even ardent fanboys and girls used language that was so surprisingly sharp that Apple agreed to give early adopters a $100 store credit."	Jul 31 23:45
MinceR	they would have deserved it without the store credit	Jul 31 23:45
MinceR	especially the ones that camp in front of the store	Jul 31 23:46
DaemonFC	The second one was pretty funny too.	Jul 31 23:46
DaemonFC	A 16 year old cracked the Australian state government's porn filtering software in half an hour and said it was a horrible waste of money.	Jul 31 23:46
MinceR	government internet filtering is a horrible waste in any case	Jul 31 23:47
DaemonFC	AT&T is about the most corrupt and evil company in America.	Jul 31 23:51
DaemonFC	They've always done things that should be illegal and got away with them.	Jul 31 23:51
DaemonFC	Back in the 1990s, they would let companies give you a toll-free number to call for something and then quietly switch you over to a 1-900 number.	Jul 31 23:51
DaemonFC	Or they'd just send you a bill for $800-900 that said you were calling 1-900 numbers when you weren't.	Jul 31 23:52
DaemonFC	We got one of those in the mail in 1999. After my dad insisted that he wouldn't pay it, eventually, they agreed to "drop it, this one time".	Jul 31 23:52
DaemonFC	The outfit was that Miss Cleo's Psychic Friends Network thing.	Jul 31 23:53
DaemonFC	The people at AT&T tried to say that they were just forwarding a bill from that outfit as a "service".	Jul 31 23:53
DaemonFC	The government eventually raided those "psychics" but they let AT&T keep all the money they had made from enabling that.	Jul 31 23:54
DaemonFC	It was pretty funny stuff too. Among the items that government agents took from the "psychic friends" office were flow sheet papers that told the person on the phone how to do a cold reading.	Jul 31 23:55
MinceR	flow charts?	Jul 31 23:55
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DaemonFC	Yeah. Like, you'd start out by saying "I'm hearing a man whose name starts with a B, like Bill or Bob, or...".	Jul 31 23:56
DaemonFC	Then the person says "My dad's name was Bob!".	Jul 31 23:56
DaemonFC	So you move on.	Jul 31 23:56
DaemonFC	If you get something wrong, you just move on.	Jul 31 23:56
DaemonFC	The goal was to keep them on the phone because you were getting $3.99 a minute for every minute they stayed on the line.	Jul 31 23:56
DaemonFC	The commercials would say "Call me now for your free psychic reading!" and then at the bottom in tiny print it said "first three minutes free".	Jul 31 23:57
DaemonFC	So they put you on hold for three minutes before they started.	Jul 31 23:57
DaemonFC	MinceR, The problem with our economy is that there are almost no ways to make a significant amount of money honestly.	Jul 31 23:58
DaemonFC	I think that some of the people up at the top are so disconnected from reality, that they really think that the economy sucks because people have a bunch of money that they're choosing not to spend.	Jul 31 23:59
DaemonFC	MinceR, I think it's funny that most people think Apple invented smartphones and that Android is just a copy of iOS.	Aug 01 00:02
MinceR	i think it's sad	Aug 01 00:03
DaemonFC	Android existed for several years before iOS, and it's hard to call a phone that doesn't do anything but have a bad web browser a smartphone.	Aug 01 00:03
MinceR	exactly	Aug 01 00:03
DaemonFC	I just got my internet bill. I called Comcast in May and told them that I was considering switching ISPs, so they put me on their 30 Mbps plan for $29.99 a month.	Aug 01 00:09
DaemonFC	I'm hoping to move before that runs out anyway.	Aug 01 00:10
DaemonFC	I can't actually get another ISP here, but they don't seem to know that.	Aug 01 00:10
DaemonFC	It's saved me about $600 so far.	Aug 01 00:10
DaemonFC	J. R. Bob Dobbs (formerly ZOMG Pink Ponies) says:	Aug 01 00:14
DaemonFC	The teacher wrapped their eyes shut with duct tape and told them if they didn't cooperate, they'd be taken away in a white van.	Aug 01 00:14
DaemonFC	And what a wonderful career she could have had in the CIA. :)	Aug 01 00:14
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Civil society pushing open source in Bulgaria	Aug 01 00:15
TweetTuxMachines	http://t.co/uWd8saH0Lw (www.tuxmachines.org)	Aug 01 00:15
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Canonical Releases New Linux Kernel Update for	Aug 01 00:15
TweetTuxMachines	Ubuntu 14.04 LTS (Trusty Tahr)	Aug 01 00:15
TweetTuxMachines	http://t.co/TsQtzPB1vp (www.tuxmachines.org)	Aug 01 00:15
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Andalusia revamps its free software desktop	Aug 01 00:15
TweetTuxMachines	http://t.co/eOKVVemB8C (www.tuxmachines.org)	Aug 01 00:15
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DaemonFC	https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/no-flash/?src=ss	Aug 01 01:04
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DaemonFC	Changes embedded Flash videos to work with the HTML 5 player if you don't have Flash installed.	Aug 01 01:04
DaemonFC	Well, videos from Youtube anyway.	Aug 01 01:04
MinceR	youtube-dl is even better	Aug 01 01:06
MinceR	it lets you download and/or play youtube videos in a real video player :>	Aug 01 01:06
MinceR	(not realvideo)	Aug 01 01:06
MinceR	(or even audio player)	Aug 01 01:06
DaemonFC	http://www.windowscentral.com/report-windows-10-now-installed-67-million-pcs	Aug 01 01:07
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.windowscentral.com \| Report: Windows 10 is now installed on 67 million PCs as of this morning \| Windows Central [ http://ur1.ca/nbjkw ]		Aug 01 01:07
DaemonFC	There's extensions to download videos from within Firefox.	Aug 01 01:07
DaemonFC	Not just Youtube.	Aug 01 01:07
MinceR	indeed, and i have one	Aug 01 01:09
MinceR	but i prefer youtube-dl	Aug 01 01:09
MinceR	and it works with many other sites	Aug 01 01:09
DaemonFC	http://www.pcworld.com/article/2949827/windows/10-things-windows-10-failed-to-fix-or-flat-out-broke.html#slide1	Aug 01 01:11
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.pcworld.com \| 10 things Windows 10 failed to fix or flat-out broke \| PCWorld [ http://ur1.ca/nbjm9 ]		Aug 01 01:11
DaemonFC	Apparently, removing Windows Media Center is one thing that people are complaining about.	Aug 01 01:12
DaemonFC	If you had it installed, Windows 10 will install a DVD player app from the Windows Store, that can't play Blu Ray discs.	Aug 01 01:12
MinceR	some people inexplicably like winblows	Aug 01 01:12
MinceR	so it should be no surprise that some people inexplicably like winblows media center	Aug 01 01:12
DaemonFC	"Edge simply isn’t that great yet, as my colleague Mark Hachman noted in his Windows 10 review. It’s just so grey and bland, many of its killer features aren’t working great yet, and the browser can tax your hardware worse than Chrome in some scenarios."	Aug 01 01:13
DaemonFC	That's putting it mildly.	Aug 01 01:13
MinceR	what a surprise, ie isn't great	Aug 01 01:14
DaemonFC	Edge is worse.	Aug 01 01:14
DaemonFC	LOL	Aug 01 01:23
DaemonFC	Apple is going to port Apple Music to Android?	Aug 01 01:23
MinceR	indeed	Aug 01 01:23
DaemonFC	Probably the only way they can reach the economies of scale required to make the whole thing work. If they keep it on the iPhone, then they're limited to only about 1 in 5 smartphone users.	Aug 01 01:23
MinceR	they're admitting what their shills won't	Aug 01 01:23
MinceR	no, if they keep it on the hypePhone, then they're limited to 0% of smartphone users	Aug 01 01:24
MinceR	since the hypePhone is not a smartphone	Aug 01 01:24
DaemonFC	Completely derivative... There are how many music streaming services now?	Aug 01 01:27
DaemonFC	Google has one. Spotify has one. Slacker has one. Even Microsoft has one.	Aug 01 01:27
DaemonFC	Do we really need more?	Aug 01 01:27
MinceR	in theory, competition is good	Aug 01 01:30
MinceR	in practice, anything crApple does is pointless and harmful	Aug 01 01:30
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Benchmarking Debian GNU/Hurd 2015 vs. GNU/Linux	Aug 01 01:38
TweetTuxMachines	http://t.co/jSB6EsZGht (www.tuxmachines.org)	Aug 01 01:38
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DaemonFC	http://news.thewindowsclub.com/google-chrome-team-sends-congratulatory-cake-microsoft-edge-team-79518/	Aug 01 01:59
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MinceR	they should have congratulated m$ for ignoring users' preferences on "upgrading" and forcing ie-in-disguise on them	Aug 01 02:02
DaemonFC	J. R. Bob Dobbs (formerly ZOMG Pink Ponies) says:	Aug 01 02:07
DaemonFC	https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NPv1yRBo2u4	Aug 01 02:07
DaemonFC	Singers with one name by George Carlin.	Aug 01 02:07
DaemonFC	"Bono..... It's not bad enough that their music sucks, but with no last name you can't figure out where they live so you can go throw a ****ing bomb through their window. It's frustrating!"	Aug 01 02:07
DaemonFC	:)	Aug 01 02:07
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.youtube.com \| one name singers - YouTube [ http://ur1.ca/nbjzu ]		Aug 01 02:07
MinceR	lol	Aug 01 02:10
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DaemonFC	J. R. Bob Dobbs (formerly ZOMG Pink Ponies) says:	Aug 01 03:03
DaemonFC	http://cnet4.cbsistatic.com/hub/i/r/2015/07/01/8c7bc558-8fd9-48f6-9542-f49d8aba6ed6/resize/770x578/de43c1ef1627caebaf033e9c7620f46a/applemusicradiosucks.jpg	Aug 01 03:03
DaemonFC	Speaking of Apple, here's Apple Radio just working on an iPhone.	Aug 01 03:03
DaemonFC	"This operation could not be completed. An unknown error occurred. -12880"	Aug 01 03:03
oiaohm	DaemonFC: seen the Windows 10 fun message yet "something went wrong"	Aug 01 03:11
DaemonFC	It doesn't say something went wrong.	Aug 01 03:12
DaemonFC	It says something happened.	Aug 01 03:12
DaemonFC	J. R. Bob Dobbs (formerly ZOMG Pink Ponies) says:	Aug 01 03:12
DaemonFC	http://benjaminkerensa.com/2015/07/30/unnecessary-finger-pointing	Aug 01 03:12
DaemonFC	Here's another take on Microsoft hijacking your default browser with the Windows 10 installation.	Aug 01 03:12
DaemonFC	The author says that Mozilla shouldn't have expected anything less, and notes that Mozilla should have thought about that before inking a deal turning Firefox into a keylogger that sends your keystrokes to Microsoft by way of Yahoo, which is only a skin for Bing. Mozilla changed the default search engine from Google to Yahoo during a routine Firefox upgrade without asking their users (like me) if they wanted that, so they're really just the	Aug 01 03:12
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-benjaminkerensa.com \| Unnecessary Finger Pointing – Benjamin Kerensa [ http://ur1.ca/nbkge ]		Aug 01 03:12
DaemonFC	pot calling the kettle black.	Aug 01 03:12
DaemonFC	The only way Microsoft can get people to use Bing is through subterfuge and throwing money around. It wouldn't surprise me at all if Apple did change the default search engine to Bing. Even the iPhone users who hate Bing will say that they like it and it works perfectly once Apple makes up their mind for them. They'll all just fall into line.	Aug 01 03:12
oiaohm	DaemonFC: there is a something went wrong message as well.	Aug 01 03:14
oiaohm	When it fails to get the password hint.	Aug 01 03:14
oiaohm	Something happened is normally the wrong language.	Aug 01 03:15
oiaohm	DaemonFC: fun part windows new edge webrowser not Australian tax office compadible.	Aug 01 03:24
DaemonFC	J. R. Bob Dobbs (formerly ZOMG Pink Ponies) says:	Aug 01 03:29
DaemonFC	In all the years I've been using a PC, I've come to expect that Mac users are like smokers. They're obnoxious and they want the rest of the world to change around them to accomodate the fact that they bought the wrong gear.	Aug 01 03:29
oiaohm	DaemonFC: windows 10 has a lot of new Something messages.	Aug 01 03:29
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Benchmarking Debian GNU/Hurd 2015 vs. GNU/Linux	Aug 01 03:33
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines blackPanther OS 14.1 (Walking Dead) Unleashed	Aug 01 03:33
TweetTuxMachines	Worldwide, Download Now - Video	Aug 01 03:33
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines GNOME Tracker 1.4 Gets Its First Point Release	Aug 01 03:33
TweetTuxMachines	with Dozens of Improvements and Fixes	Aug 01 03:33
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DaemonFC	http://www.androidcentral.com/windows-10-phone-companion-and-android-do-you-need-it	Aug 01 04:49
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.androidcentral.com \| The Windows 10 Phone Companion and Android: Do you need it? \| Android Central [ http://ur1.ca/nbl4a ]		Aug 01 04:49
DaemonFC	Windows 10 comes with an app designed to push Microsoft apps onto your phone.	Aug 01 04:49
DaemonFC	It opens itself when you plug your phone into the computer.	Aug 01 04:50
DaemonFC	It would be nice if I could remove OneNote, OneDrive, Lookout, and Hancom Office from my Galaxy S6.	Aug 01 04:51
DaemonFC	I'd rather have the 300 MB that they're occupying back.	Aug 01 04:51
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cubexyz	been looking for scientific software for FOSS and found this interesting ncurses program:	Aug 01 05:20
cubexyz	http://www.maxhost.org/other/electronic-periodic-table.png	Aug 01 05:20
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Samsung to release first Tizen Smartphone in	Aug 01 05:24
TweetTuxMachines	Egypt by early 2016 http://t.co/Ur1WlOoGuN	Aug 01 05:24
TweetTuxMachines	(www.tuxmachines.org)	Aug 01 05:24
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines MKVToolNix Review - Powerful Tool to Split,	Aug 01 05:24
TweetTuxMachines	Merge, and Convert MKV Files	Aug 01 05:24
TweetTuxMachines	http://t.co/MtmwMGl493 (www.tuxmachines.org)	Aug 01 05:24
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Ubuntu Touch Might Receive Hotfixes Before	Aug 01 05:24
TweetTuxMachines	OTA-6, Major GCC 5 Transition in Effect	Aug 01 05:24
TweetTuxMachines	http://t.co/jTrFjgwmBP (www.tuxmachines.org)	Aug 01 05:24
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DaemonFC	oiaohm, I assume that IE 11 is?	Aug 01 06:37
DaemonFC	It's still there. They just don't make it obvious that you can still use it just like you did before.	Aug 01 06:37
DaemonFC	It seems like it's not exactly the same IE 11 that was on Windows 8.	Aug 01 06:39
DaemonFC	It scored 348 on html5test.com, where IE 11 on Windows 8 scored 336.	Aug 01 06:40
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DaemonFC	Ryan Farmer	Aug 01 07:53
DaemonFC	1 min · Edited ·	Aug 01 07:53
DaemonFC	Starbucks is rolling out wireless charging for your phone.	Aug 01 07:53
DaemonFC	Galaxy S6 users just lay their phone down and it charges.	Aug 01 07:53
DaemonFC	iPhone 6 users have to buy a special "strap on" thing that plugs into their charging port and completely ruins the convenience (and the entire point) of wireless charging. Starbucks sells them for $9.99, but they are like half the size of the phone. It's really quite funny.	Aug 01 07:53
DaemonFC	I bought a Qi wireless charger for my nightstand and I don't believe I'll ever want a phone that can't do this again.	Aug 01 07:53
DaemonFC	(I have to admit, I feel a little bit guilty for staring at people using iPhones. For some reason, I have the opening music of 2001: A Space Odyssey playing in my mind.)	Aug 01 07:55
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DaemonFC	My next "laptop" will probably be a newer Chromebook.	Aug 01 08:10
DaemonFC	I've had a good experience with this one, but it's not aging very well.	Aug 01 08:10
DaemonFC	The screen is 11" and 1366 x 720 (iirc), and the 2 GB of RAM really isn't enough.	Aug 01 08:11
DaemonFC	I've been getting too many "He's dead, Jim!" tabs, which is what happens when it's out of memory.	Aug 01 08:11
DaemonFC	The memory requirements for Firefox 41 are way down.	Aug 01 08:36
DaemonFC	I had 32 tabs open a few hours ago, with Adblock Plus and a bunch of filters, and a bunch of other add-ons, and it was only using 438 MB of RAM.	Aug 01 08:36
DaemonFC	Ryan Farmer	Aug 01 08:41
DaemonFC	Just now · Edited ·	Aug 01 08:41
DaemonFC	It's time for Firefox to show Adobe Flash and Oracle Java to the door.	Aug 01 08:41
DaemonFC	I think that they need to strip out NPAPI plug in support and not replace it with anything. It would delete a bunch of code and potential security issues.	Aug 01 08:41
DaemonFC	Then they should take the "No Flash" add-on, which is available under the Mozilla Public License, and integrate it into the browser, to force embedded Youtube, Dailymotion, and other videos to use the HTML 5 player.	Aug 01 08:41
DaemonFC	If the Hacking Team memos that leaked out don't show us how foolish it is to have Flash installed, I don't know what would, and almost nothing actually needs Flash anymore. It's just a plug-in that's full of holes, and it's completely bloated and awful, and it's time to get rid of it.	Aug 01 08:41
DaemonFC	It's also time to deprecate 32-bit Firefox and make plans to end support for it. Having a 32-bit version isn't even funny anymore. The last 32-bit x86 CPU came off the line in 2003. I can't believe we're even still talking about this.	Aug 01 08:41
amarsh04	funnily enough I'm still running Debian i386 on one machine even though it has an Athlon CPU	Aug 01 08:52
amarsh04	time for a new kernel, back soon	Aug 01 08:53
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amarsh04	that was easy	Aug 01 08:58
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TweetTuxMachines	Released, Install In Ubuntu 15.04/14.04 Or	Aug 01 09:17
TweetTuxMachines	Derivatives http://t.co/vcbWiQhZfS	Aug 01 09:17
TweetTuxMachines	(www.tuxmachines.org)	Aug 01 09:17
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines 5 Best Linux Desktop Environments With Pros &	Aug 01 09:32
TweetTuxMachines	Cons http://t.co/mmjuPOlU80	Aug 01 09:32
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Wifislax 4.11.1 Linux Distro Arrives with Linux	Aug 01 09:32
TweetTuxMachines	Kernel 4.1.3 LTS, Xfce 4.12.3	Aug 01 09:33
TweetTuxMachines	http://t.co/7cv7Hr3Rdf (www.tuxmachines.org)	Aug 01 09:33
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Most popular web browsers among Fedora users	Aug 01 09:33
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Canonical Releases New Linux Kernel Update for	Aug 01 09:36
TweetTuxMachines	Ubuntu 14.04 LTS (Trusty Tahr)	Aug 01 09:36
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Andalusia revamps its free software desktop	Aug 01 09:37
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Benchmarking Debian GNU/Hurd 2015 vs. GNU/Linux	Aug 01 09:37
TweetTuxMachines	http://t.co/y3hA4f1MzP (www.phoronix.com)	Aug 01 09:37
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/nbn70	Aug 01 09:37
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines blackPanther OS 14.1 (Walking Dead) Unleashed	Aug 01 09:43
TweetTuxMachines	Worldwide, Download Now - Video	Aug 01 09:43
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines GNOME Tracker 1.4 Gets Its First Point Release	Aug 01 09:43
TweetTuxMachines	with Dozens of Improvements and Fixes	Aug 01 09:43
TweetTuxMachines	http://t.co/KAoxcG1ZdD (news.softpedia.com)	Aug 01 09:43
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Samsung to release first Tizen Smartphone in	Aug 01 09:43
TweetTuxMachines	Egypt by early 2016 http://t.co/QbURKwRYLp	Aug 01 09:43
TweetTuxMachines	(www.tizenexperts.com)	Aug 01 09:43
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines MKVToolNix Review - Powerful Tool to Split,	Aug 01 09:52
TweetTuxMachines	Merge, and Convert MKV Files	Aug 01 09:52
TweetTuxMachines	http://t.co/Vhw37jVJNN (www.softpedia.com)	Aug 01 09:52
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Ubuntu Touch Might Receive Hotfixes Before	Aug 01 09:52
TweetTuxMachines	OTA-6, Major GCC 5 Transition in Effect	Aug 01 09:52
TweetTuxMachines	http://t.co/v2mgz4oslx (linux.softpedia.com)	Aug 01 09:52
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Wifislax 4.11.1 Linux Distro Arrives with Linux	Aug 01 09:52
TweetTuxMachines	Kernel 4.1.3 LTS, Xfce 4.12.3	Aug 01 09:52
TweetTuxMachines	http://t.co/SO3d6Yhbmt (news.softpedia.com)	Aug 01 09:52
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Latest Ubuntu Touch SDK Updates Focus on	Aug 01 10:01
TweetTuxMachines	Convergence Features for OTA-6	Aug 01 10:01
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Linux Kernel 3.12.45 LTS Has ARM64 and x86	Aug 01 10:01
TweetTuxMachines	Fixes, Numerous Updated Drivers	Aug 01 10:01
TweetTuxMachines	http://t.co/gtz1nVthsD (news.softpedia.com)	Aug 01 10:01
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Latest Ubuntu Touch SDK Updates Focus on	Aug 01 10:01
TweetTuxMachines	Convergence Features for OTA-6	Aug 01 10:01
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines US House Opens Up to Open Source	Aug 01 10:07
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Linux Kernel 3.12.45 LTS Has ARM64 and x86	Aug 01 10:07
TweetTuxMachines	Fixes, Numerous Updated Drivers	Aug 01 10:07
TweetTuxMachines	http://t.co/E4mCDDiRax (www.tuxmachines.org)	Aug 01 10:07
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Compact module runs Linux on quadCompact module	Aug 01 10:08
TweetTuxMachines	runs Linux on quad-core Braswell-core Braswell	Aug 01 10:08
TweetTuxMachines	http://t.co/Xr07yTJL3s (linuxgizmos.com)	Aug 01 10:08
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oiaohm	KDE 5 on debian annoying mostly by applications not updated yet.	Aug 01 10:25
msb__	I use lynx to view html versions of emails, and a lot of times i'm getting 403 forbidden when I try to go thru a link, and it's always from nginx. Does nginx not like lynx?	Aug 01 10:29
cubexyz	it may be https	Aug 01 10:29
cubexyz	can't remember if lynx can handle that	Aug 01 10:30
msb__	It's not, it's http.	Aug 01 10:30
msb__	Besides, it's nginx that's having the problem, not lynx.	Aug 01 10:31
cubexyz	which url?	Aug 01 10:31
msb__	http://www.paulcraigroberts.org/2015/07/29/incongruities-news-paul-craig-roberts/	Aug 01 10:31
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.paulcraigroberts.org \| Incongruities in the News -- Paul Craig Roberts - PaulCraigRoberts.org [ http://ur1.ca/nbnju ]		Aug 01 10:31
DaemonFC	Bleh. Chrome is an "Android system app" now.	Aug 01 10:32
DaemonFC	There's 100 MB wasted.	Aug 01 10:32
msb__	If I run lynx from the command line and give it that url the same thing happens.	Aug 01 10:33
cubexyz	try links instead	Aug 01 10:34
cubexyz	could be mod_security disallows lynx	Aug 01 10:38
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msb__	links works	Aug 01 10:41
oiaohm	msb__: do check your lynx version	Aug 01 10:42
oiaohm	Opps I notice my lynx has UA masked.	Aug 01 10:44
msb__	2.8.6 or 2.8.7	Aug 01 10:44
oiaohm	Mine lynx 2.8.9dev.6 and without modification it gets 403 from that site.	Aug 01 10:45
cubexyz	just for fun rename your lynx command as xnyl and try it again	Aug 01 10:45
cubexyz	I'm just curious	Aug 01 10:46
cubexyz	ah don't bother	Aug 01 10:47
cubexyz	same thing	Aug 01 10:47
msb__	I made a softlink and called that, same thing.	Aug 01 10:47
oiaohm	msb__: lynx --useragent=woof http://www.paulcraigroberts.org/2015/07/29/incongruities-news-paul-craig-roberts/	Aug 01 10:48
oiaohm	And it will work/	Aug 01 10:48
oiaohm	Its a useragent filter.	Aug 01 10:48
cubexyz	ha	Aug 01 10:48
cubexyz	but why?	Aug 01 10:49
oiaohm	Don't know.	Aug 01 10:49
msb__	After I exit, lynx says: Warning: User-Agent string does not contain "Lynx" or "L_y_n_x"!	Aug 01 10:50
oiaohm	lynx --useragent=Lynx http://www.paulcraigroberts.org/2015/07/29/incongruities-news-paul-craig-roberts/	Aug 01 10:50
oiaohm	Works as well	Aug 01 10:50
msb__	It's not only that website, it's lots of websites.	Aug 01 10:50
cubexyz	some silly default	Aug 01 10:52
cubexyz	why block lynx but not links?	Aug 01 10:52
oiaohm	lynx --useragent="Lynx/2.8.3dev.6 libwww-FM/2.14" http://www.paulcraigroberts.org/2015/07/29/incongruities-news-paul-craig-roberts/ This one fails	Aug 01 10:54
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oiaohm	lynx --useragent="Lynx/2.8.3dev.6" http://www.paulcraigroberts.org/2015/07/29/incongruities-news-paul-craig-roberts/ and this one works	Aug 01 10:55
oiaohm	lynx --useragent="Lynx (textmode)" http://www.paulcraigroberts.org/2015/07/29/incongruities-news-paul-craig-roberts/ and this one works.	Aug 01 10:57
oiaohm	msb__: note Lynx (textmode) is a generic when Lynx is not to tell version.	Aug 01 10:57
oiaohm	cubexyz: blocking does not always make sanity.	Aug 01 10:58
msb__	The frammis web browser (user agent) works too.	Aug 01 10:58
cubexyz	so it only blocks useragent lynx and nothing else?	Aug 01 10:58
msb__	someone is an idiot	Aug 01 10:59
oiaohm	lynx can be a spider.	Aug 01 10:59
msb__	wget works	Aug 01 11:00
msb__	wget is definitely a spider	Aug 01 11:01
msb__	or can be	Aug 01 11:01
cubexyz	yes but couldn't links also be a spider?	Aug 01 11:01
oiaohm	-crawl with -traversal, output each page to a file. with -dump, format output as with -traversal, but to the standard output. << these in lynx	Aug 01 11:02
msb__	presumably, if it can download web pages	Aug 01 11:02
oiaohm	msb__: wget does not run at the insane speed lynx can attempt.	Aug 01 11:02
msb__	but frammis does	Aug 01 11:02
msb__	some shithead nginx dev just decided to block lynx	Aug 01 11:03
msb__	google finds others reporting the same problem, and recommending changing useragent string.	Aug 01 11:04
msb__	I think wget runs as fast as it can unless you tell it not to.	Aug 01 11:05
oiaohm	http://wiki.nginx.org/LimitBrowsers O my	Aug 01 11:05
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cubexyz	I'd just block the ip of any troublemakers	Aug 01 11:05
oiaohm	The idea of filtering by useragent is nothing more than a temporary measure at best.	Aug 01 11:08
msb__	Assholes! It should just serve the web page and let the browser do as well as it can with it.	Aug 01 11:08
msb__	blocking lynx must be in nginx by default	Aug 01 11:09
msb__	Theres no reason why any user would put it in.	Aug 01 11:09
oiaohm	msb__: I would not be too sure.	Aug 01 11:10
msb__	oiaohm: They think spiders are poisonous?	Aug 01 11:11
oiaohm	lynx --useragent="Lynx/2.8.3dev.6 -FM/2.14" http://www.paulcraigroberts.org/2015/07/29/incongruities-news-paul-craig-roberts/ << this works	Aug 01 11:13
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oiaohm	lynx --useragent="libwww" http://www.paulcraigroberts.org/2015/07/29/incongruities-news-paul-craig-roberts/ this fails	Aug 01 11:13
oiaohm	Ok what is libwww	Aug 01 11:13
msb__	https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EQrQjNNZCAo	Aug 01 11:15
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oiaohm	msb__: I think I have found the problem.	Aug 01 11:15
oiaohm	msb__: someone has written an overally nasty rule.	Aug 01 11:16
oiaohm	https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Libwww	Aug 01 11:16
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-en.wikipedia.org \| libwww - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia		Aug 01 11:16
oiaohm	libwww is a old library applications are not meant to use any more.	Aug 01 11:16
msb__	so?	Aug 01 11:17
msb__	why should nginx block it?	Aug 01 11:17
oiaohm	libwww is techically unmaintained Lynx uses libwww-FM version that is maintained and is a fork.	Aug 01 11:18
oiaohm	So it trying to block unmaintained.	Aug 01 11:18
oiaohm	And is shotting lynx by mistake.	Aug 01 11:18
oiaohm	This is why when you fork a project keeping an almost identical name is a bad thing.	Aug 01 11:19
msb__	I love Papa Oom Mow Mow!	Aug 01 11:20
msb__	How does an unmaintained browser hurt a web server?	Aug 01 11:21
oiaohm	msb__: using more connections than it should.	Aug 01 11:22
msb__	Hell, it probably uses only one.	Aug 01 11:22
oiaohm	libwww can end up using 5	Aug 01 11:23
oiaohm	libwww-FM is 1	Aug 01 11:23
oiaohm	lets say that old broken is exactly that msb__	Aug 01 11:23
msb__	except lynx ain't broken	Aug 01 11:23
oiaohm	Yep lynx is not broken and its getting mistaken identiy with a broken.	Aug 01 11:24
msb__	Except by the Poettering Principle -- only new stuff is any good, all the rest must be forbidden.	Aug 01 11:24
oiaohm	No this is not a poettering Pirnciple.	Aug 01 11:24
oiaohm	Sections of the http protocol has been fixed over the years.	Aug 01 11:24
msb__	I'll just set the useragent. I call lynx from a bash script anyhow.	Aug 01 11:25
oiaohm	http://httpd.apache.org/docs/2.0/misc/known_client_problems.html	Aug 01 11:27
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oiaohm	Also Lynx has a bug msb__	Aug 01 11:28
msb__	Everything has bugs. The important thing is whether they work well enough.	Aug 01 11:30
oiaohm	msb__: Lynx claims to support --Transparent content negotiation-- when it does not.	Aug 01 11:30
msb__	big whoop	Aug 01 11:30
oiaohm	Web servers are getting strict msb__	Aug 01 11:30
oiaohm	If you client claims to support stuff and it does not they just blacklist it.	Aug 01 11:31
oiaohm	msb__ https://www.ietf.org/rfc/rfc2295.txt Transparent content negotiation its quite a useful feature	Aug 01 11:34
msb__	oiaohm: So? If I want to see a fancy rendering I'll go there with Firefox. Otherwise lynx rapidly shows me the text.	Aug 01 11:38
msb__	Great article by Paul Craig Roberts, as always!	Aug 01 11:38
oiaohm	msb__: Multi langauge site might have more than 1 language per URI.	Aug 01 11:40
msb__	OK, problem fixed and I got Papa Oom Mow Mow! Thanks, guys!	Aug 01 11:40
oiaohm	msb__: using Lynx you will get what ever is first on the list at times.	Aug 01 11:40
oiaohm	Basically Transparent content negotiation failure is not exactly fun.	Aug 01 11:41
oiaohm	links does support it msb__	Aug 01 11:41
msb__	I sure wouldn't to have less than a 100percent perfect "user experience"! </sarcasm>	Aug 01 11:42
msb__	I sure wouldn't want to have less than a 100percent perfect "user experience"! </sarcasm>	Aug 01 11:42
oiaohm	web adminstators don't want stack of strange complaints.	Aug 01 11:43
oiaohm	I have a fun bug.	Aug 01 11:46
oiaohm	My samsung monitor with a hdmi port and no speakers for some reason by Nvidia gets called an audio device when on DVI	Aug 01 11:47
DaemonFC	J. R. Bob Dobbs (formerly ZOMG Pink Ponies) says:	Aug 01 11:50
DaemonFC	The iPhone 6 is so fragile that even with the Lifeproof case on them, their Facebook wall is covered with horror stories about people who dropped their iPhone about a foot with the $100 case on it, and the screen completely shattered under the case.	Aug 01 11:50
DaemonFC	"I dropped my phone off the couch... My iPhone screen shatters.. I call customer service and they say, well we will cover the case.."	Aug 01 11:50
DaemonFC	"I was in the water for maybe 20 minutes with the case completely closed and I looked at my iphone 6 and it was water logged. The mute/sound button broke within 3 weeks of having the case. I have to buy a new phone now because the case leaked water from the finger print scanner."	Aug 01 11:50
DaemonFC	"My iphone 6 dropped in the pool and enough water got in and completely damaged it. They offered to give me a new case which is great... if i had a phone. But i dont have one now unless i want to pay $700 for a new iphone 6."	Aug 01 11:50
DaemonFC	Although, one iPhone moron got lucky....	Aug 01 11:50
DaemonFC	"I just ran over my iphone with my Honda Odyssey and left it in a hot parking lot for over two hours before I found it.. The front sticker had fallen off but it had not even a scratch and still works great! I will definitely be buying a replacement, this case is Awesome!"	Aug 01 11:50
DaemonFC	It says on page six of the owner's manual to test for leakage WITHOUT the phone in the case before you install the case. As for all the cracked and crushed screens from one or two foot drops. Well, they are iPhones. I'm not sure they're blaming the right company. My old LG G2 flew out of my hands while I was on a bicycle and hit the street face down at about 14 miles per hour (my average cycling speed, so that's just an educated guess),	Aug 01 11:50
DaemonFC	flipped over, hit the road again on the other side, and the process repeated a few more times. No screen protector on it. I picked it up. It didn't have a scratch. That's just what you get when you buy a quality product. Not that Apple users would know anything about that, and it's my sincere recommendation that they never reproduce.	Aug 01 11:50
DaemonFC	Oh, it's only a $700 phone. Why wouldn't you RUN OVER IT WITH A HONDA ODYSSEY!? LOL@THEM! ;)	Aug 01 11:50
DaemonFC	Maybe Apple is making so much money because of all the extra iPhones you have to buy due to their, errrm, early demise?	Aug 01 11:50
oiaohm	DaemonFC: yep it a good way of increasing sales.	Aug 01 11:51
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MinceR	http://suckless.org/sucks/systemd	Aug 01 12:10
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-suckless.org \| sucks - systemd \| suckless.org software that sucks less		Aug 01 12:10
schestowitz	https://twitter.com/braa_areefy/status/627441044108357632	Aug 01 12:32
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@braa_areefy: @schestowitz the bin laden's are the 2nd richest family in saudi arabia after the royal family which they worth over 450 billion dollars		Aug 01 12:32
MinceR	"worth"	Aug 01 12:32
schestowitz	MinceR: new page?	Aug 01 12:32
schestowitz	I thjnk the site ain't	Aug 01 12:32
schestowitz	not sure about the page	Aug 01 12:32
MinceR	yes, it's dated yesterday	Aug 01 12:32
schestowitz	seen the site before	Aug 01 12:32
MinceR	(at the bottom of the page)	Aug 01 12:32
schestowitz	MinceR: I've shared it online just now	Aug 01 12:33
schestowitz	to give it some hits	Aug 01 12:33
oiaohm	MinceR: I can see a bug on that suckless page already.	Aug 01 12:56
oiaohm	http://www.cyberciti.biz/tips/segmentation-fault-on-linux-unix.html	Aug 01 12:56
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oiaohm	Define of abnormal failure and a standard failure is a Unix thing MinceR	Aug 01 12:56
oiaohm	Just systemd splits those two.	Aug 01 12:57
oiaohm	systemctl -H command in fact does not connect directly to PID 1	Aug 01 12:59
oiaohm	Connect to a proxy.	Aug 01 12:59
oiaohm	MinceR: http://unix.ittoolbox.com/groups/technical-functional/ibm-aix-l/what-happens-after-restore-the-factory-default-settings-913152a-server-5414417	Aug 01 13:01
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-unix.ittoolbox.com \| What Happens After Restore the Factory Default Settings 9131-52a Server - Toolbox for IT Groups		Aug 01 13:01
oiaohm	AIX was first to implement restore to factory settings.	Aug 01 13:01
oiaohm	Windows and Systemd and everyone is copying that.	Aug 01 13:01
oiaohm	MinceR: should go on. This is my problem these sites have so much wrong its not funny.	Aug 01 13:01
MinceR	negligible compared to how much systemd gets wrong	Aug 01 13:02
oiaohm	Linux in high end server world has to compete against AIX and the like.	Aug 01 13:02
cubexyz	AIX is horribly expensive	Aug 01 13:02
oiaohm	MinceR: over 80 of that page is wrong.	Aug 01 13:02
oiaohm	MinceR: 80%	Aug 01 13:02
cubexyz	don't you have to buy IBM's hardware to run it?	Aug 01 13:02
oiaohm	cubexyz: yep AIX is insanely expensive	Aug 01 13:02
oiaohm	cubexyz: yep its IBM hardware only.	Aug 01 13:03
oiaohm	And to take over AIX market share you have to have it features.	Aug 01 13:03
MinceR	but you don't have to have its reliability?	Aug 01 13:04
cubexyz	is it reliable? :)	Aug 01 13:04
cubexyz	I suppose it must be since it's so $$$$	Aug 01 13:04
MinceR	compared to systemd, most likely	Aug 01 13:04
cubexyz	everything is doing their own thing these days	Aug 01 13:04
oiaohm	MinceR: LOOLLLLLLLLL	Aug 01 13:05
oiaohm	MinceR: you have never used AIX have you	Aug 01 13:05
MinceR	i haven't	Aug 01 13:05
MinceR	i've (unwittingly) used lendows, though	Aug 01 13:05
oiaohm	If you think systemd can do evil things to you.	Aug 01 13:05
oiaohm	AIX do way worse.	Aug 01 13:05
oiaohm	AIX can get into a process starting and stopping loop.	Aug 01 13:05
oiaohm	As it dependany tree goes completely stupid.	Aug 01 13:06
MinceR	systemd can fail to start services it was configured to start	Aug 01 13:06
oiaohm	MinceR: AIX will kill service so it can start another one	Aug 01 13:06
cubexyz	openbsd has been the most reliable OS i have used	Aug 01 13:06
MinceR	and for all the dependency tree hype, it still heavily relies on arbitrary delay times	Aug 01 13:06
cubexyz	but I never tried AIX for obvious reasons	Aug 01 13:06
MinceR	just like windows	Aug 01 13:07
oiaohm	The when the other starts it and find the first not there repeat the process over and over again.	Aug 01 13:07
oiaohm	systemd takes the sanish path otu.	Aug 01 13:07
oiaohm	O it failed leave it down.	Aug 01 13:07
cubexyz	I think IBM might have pretty reliable hardware though	Aug 01 13:07
oiaohm	AIX configured perfectly is solid	Aug 01 13:08
cubexyz	again, how could they justify their prices otherwise	Aug 01 13:08
oiaohm	Slightly missed configured it will drive you nuts.	Aug 01 13:08
MinceR	cubexyz: with FUD. "nobody got fired for choosing IBM"	Aug 01 13:09
cubexyz	I'd say IBM is on the way down these days	Aug 01 13:09
cubexyz	not sure if that's good or not	Aug 01 13:09
MinceR	IBM is dying	Aug 01 13:09
MinceR	and at this point, it's good	Aug 01 13:09
MinceR	their crApple advertising deserves to die	Aug 01 13:09
MinceR	and rational deserves to die	Aug 01 13:09
oiaohm	file-hierarchy man complaint shows the person never read it MinceR. Its a FHS standard in a man page.	Aug 01 13:10
cubexyz	you didn't like PS/2s? :)	Aug 01 13:10
MinceR	oiaohm: afaik the one they're referring to is not the FHS manpage	Aug 01 13:10
oiaohm	MinceR: No its not.	Aug 01 13:10
MinceR	cubexyz: afaik IBM sold their PC division to Lenovo ages ago	Aug 01 13:10
oiaohm	MinceR: there is no FHS man page.	Aug 01 13:10
cubexyz	they got the whole cast of M.A.S.H. telling you how good it was :)	Aug 01 13:10
MinceR	oiaohm: at any rate, it doesn't belong to systemd	Aug 01 13:10
oiaohm	MinceR: there is a FHS info fiile.	Aug 01 13:10
cubexyz	maybe no one remembers that	Aug 01 13:10
MinceR	it's marketed as an init system	Aug 01 13:10
MinceR	most of FHS is irrelevant to an init system.	Aug 01 13:11
oiaohm	Systemd auths wrote it in a man page to make it more accessable.	Aug 01 13:11
MinceR	cubexyz: m$ also got various airheaded celebrities advertising winblows	Aug 01 13:11
MinceR	that didn't make winblows any good	Aug 01 13:11
oiaohm	MinceR: anyone writting applications should be following the FHS	Aug 01 13:11
MinceR	oiaohm: if only they spent that time on documenting their own code instead.	Aug 01 13:11
oiaohm	on Linux.	Aug 01 13:11
cubexyz	MinceR, that is true	Aug 01 13:11
cubexyz	kind of a turn off really	Aug 01 13:12
oiaohm	MinceR: note some systemd authors were not placing stuff in the correct place.	Aug 01 13:12
cubexyz	I mean the celebrities opinion isn't too useful	Aug 01 13:12
MinceR	oiaohm: not surprising, given the amount of "stuff"	Aug 01 13:12
oiaohm	MinceR: the man page become a point to thing.	Aug 01 13:12
cubexyz	you know they are paid to shill whatever	Aug 01 13:12
MinceR	oiaohm: "Keep It Simple, Stupid"	Aug 01 13:12
oiaohm	Since then at least the sub programs follow the rules.	Aug 01 13:12
oiaohm	MinceR: a 80 document is not simple MinceR	Aug 01 13:13
MinceR	neither is systemd	Aug 01 13:13
oiaohm	MinceR: file-hierarchy man page takes a 80 page item and condences it down to 2 pages.	Aug 01 13:13
MinceR	they can't be arsed to read the original?	Aug 01 13:13
MinceR	that would be time not spent on writing crap code, i guess	Aug 01 13:14
oiaohm	The oringal has historic reference notes.	Aug 01 13:14
cubexyz	what if it were 20 pages, or 100? :)	Aug 01 13:14
oiaohm	Directory you should not use any more.	Aug 01 13:14
MinceR	systemd authors should have learned their history	Aug 01 13:14
MinceR	then they wouldn't be making old mistakes again	Aug 01 13:14
MinceR	same is true for the lendows gui authors	Aug 01 13:14
oiaohm	Some things systemd has done are ok.	Aug 01 13:15
MinceR	that is suspect	Aug 01 13:15
cubexyz	really I expect all of it Linux/BSD/Whatever will be supplanted by something else simpler and better	Aug 01 13:15
oiaohm	making the file-hierarchy man page with the current stuff only.	Aug 01 13:15
MinceR	so far what i've seen is that if there's something they can get wrong, they will	Aug 01 13:15
oiaohm	That is a good move.	Aug 01 13:15
oiaohm	Yet some people complained about it.	Aug 01 13:15
cubexyz	which OS do you use oiaohm? sorry I know I've asked that before	Aug 01 13:16
oiaohm	MinceR: have you ever looked at what systemd has got right.	Aug 01 13:17
oiaohm	cubexyz: debian	Aug 01 13:17
MinceR	oiaohm: i have yet to find such a thing	Aug 01 13:17
cubexyz	ok, right	Aug 01 13:17
oiaohm	cubexyz: Mix between debian stable/testing and sid	Aug 01 13:17
MinceR	i miss the days when debian "stable" was actually stable	Aug 01 13:17
oiaohm	MinceR: I have used debian from 0.90	Aug 01 13:18
XRevan86	I miss the days when debian "testing" was actually stable.	Aug 01 13:18
oiaohm	So what version are you talking about was stable.	Aug 01 13:18
oiaohm	XRevan86: you never pushed testing.	Aug 01 13:18
XRevan86	oiaohm: pushed?	Aug 01 13:18
MinceR	oiaohm: at least lenny, squeeze and wheezy	Aug 01 13:18
oiaohm	I have used debian since 1994 XRevan86	Aug 01 13:18
oiaohm	MinceR: I managed to break all those three at different times.	Aug 01 13:19
MinceR	i think i used ubuntu before that, and gentoo before that, and red hat before that	Aug 01 13:19
MinceR	and there was a bit of arch somewhere in there, iirc	Aug 01 13:19
oiaohm	My system has 12 WM managers and 4 desktop envorinements istalled	Aug 01 13:19
MinceR	oiaohm: afaik debian didn't even have a stable release until 1996	Aug 01 13:19
oiaohm	Yes this is a true asking for it configuration.	Aug 01 13:20
oiaohm	MinceR: I used debain before it was stable.	Aug 01 13:20
MinceR	i was talking about stable, though	Aug 01 13:20
oiaohm	Install enough windows managers with confliting support software it would always break.	Aug 01 13:20
MinceR	never happened to me	Aug 01 13:21
MinceR	and i did test many wm-s	Aug 01 13:21
oiaohm	Let take what I am currently running.	Aug 01 13:21
cubexyz	I'm running a bunch of wm's with no problems:	Aug 01 13:22
cubexyz	http://www.maxhost.org/other/kdm.png	Aug 01 13:22
cubexyz	even running them simultaneously :)	Aug 01 13:23
oiaohm	I have kmix and print-manager from KDE4 on KDE 5 But before this I was using kwin from KDE5 with KDE4	Aug 01 13:23
cubexyz	don't ask me what custom is though, I've never tried it	Aug 01 13:23
oiaohm	I also have a few gnomes mixing with each other.	Aug 01 13:24
oiaohm	Into the mix.	Aug 01 13:24
MinceR	i'm guessing custom is your xsession script	Aug 01 13:24
cubexyz	you know, I never really liked gnome	Aug 01 13:24
XRevan86	cubexyz: ls /usr/share/xsessions/	Aug 01 13:24
oiaohm	MinceR: these days I am abusing something different.	Aug 01 13:24
cubexyz	XRevan86, found not found	Aug 01 13:25
cubexyz	er, file not found	Aug 01 13:25
oiaohm	~/.config/autostart/	Aug 01 13:25
oiaohm	Is so much fun.	Aug 01 13:25
oiaohm	You know people complain about have psensors installed and having it start all the time.	Aug 01 13:26
oiaohm	Simple fix add a no file to the home directory autostart	Aug 01 13:26
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oiaohm	XRevan86: done	Aug 01 13:34
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oiaohm	MinceR: worst mistake on that site you brought in is complaining about logind learning a type web. Completely missing that apache had been calling pam at times. http://tldp.org/HOWTO/User-Authentication-HOWTO/x316.html	Aug 01 13:39
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MinceR	what has logind got to do with apache?	Aug 01 13:40
XRevan86	oiaohm: Chromium login?	Aug 01 13:40
oiaohm	--logind learned a new session type "web", for use in projects like Cockpit which register web clients as PAM sessions.-- This is the modification to systemd. That the site you linked to complains about.	Aug 01 13:42
oiaohm	XRevan86: Login using Chromium browser as the only thing.	Aug 01 13:42
MinceR	when did apache become a client?	Aug 01 13:42
MinceR	i know apache is bloated, but this is ridiculous	Aug 01 13:43
oiaohm	MinceR: apache was the first http server to allow PAM logins.	Aug 01 13:43
oiaohm	Worse changing uid and gid based on the PAM logins.	Aug 01 13:43
cubexyz	I prefer osmium logins, they carry more weight :)	Aug 01 13:43
MinceR	:)	Aug 01 13:43
oiaohm	logind adds a sandboxing flag.	Aug 01 13:43
oiaohm	web the login has come by web server.	Aug 01 13:44
oiaohm	Also that allows rejection rules like no root.	Aug 01 13:44
MinceR	why not uranium?	Aug 01 13:44
oiaohm	So the logind web flag is correct.	Aug 01 13:44
oiaohm	Insane but correct	Aug 01 13:44
MinceR	oiaohm: again, what is this doing in a piece of software that is marketed as an "init system"?	Aug 01 13:45
oiaohm	Question why logind is in systemd correct. But a lot of what logind is doing understand enough is required.	Aug 01 13:45
MinceR	no, it is not required	Aug 01 13:46
oiaohm	O yes it is.	Aug 01 13:46
MinceR	clean, stable and portable interfaces are required	Aug 01 13:46
oiaohm	There have been a lot of total system hacks from web servers using pam.	Aug 01 13:46
MinceR	mashing all the software in the world into a nasty, unmanageable blob is not required	Aug 01 13:46
oiaohm	logind is a define interface	Aug 01 13:46
oiaohm	that has been implemented by many parties.	Aug 01 13:46
MinceR	most of which is defined as unstable, yet used by gdm?	Aug 01 13:46
oiaohm	including BSD and consolekit2	Aug 01 13:47
MinceR	oh, who are those many parties?	Aug 01 13:47
cubexyz	when I do a remote gui login is that a PAM login?	Aug 01 13:47
MinceR	again, if logind has a "define interface", why doesn't it use that to interface with the service manager, instead of being tightly coupled to one?	Aug 01 13:47
XRevan86	LoginKit?	Aug 01 13:48
MinceR	if it has a "define interface", why is it only compatible with systemd that has the exact same version number (and sits in the exact same repository)?	Aug 01 13:48
cubexyz	no PAM until Redhat 5.0 btw	Aug 01 13:49
cubexyz	you can do shadow passwords without PAM	Aug 01 13:49
MinceR	slackware probably does that	Aug 01 13:50
cubexyz	MinceR, I think you're right	Aug 01 13:51
oiaohm	MinceR: http://www.freedesktop.org/wiki/Software/systemd/logind/	Aug 01 13:53
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oiaohm	Logind turns out to be one part of systemd that is well and truly documented.	Aug 01 13:53
MinceR	why didn't anyone tell the gdm developers that?	Aug 01 13:53
oiaohm	sddm and lightdm developers managed to get it right MinceR	Aug 01 13:54
oiaohm	Yes I don't know what the gdm developers smoked when they did the logind stuff but it was not good.	Aug 01 13:54
MinceR	aren't they on redcrap payroll?	Aug 01 13:55
oiaohm	Turns out no they are not MinceR	Aug 01 13:55
oiaohm	MinceR: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Features/NewGdm Fedora/Redhat runs there own fork.	Aug 01 13:57
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oiaohm	MinceR: notice the two names RayStrode, JonMccann	Aug 01 13:57
oiaohm	https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/GNOME_Display_Manager	Aug 01 13:58
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oiaohm	MinceR: then notice the names here.	Aug 01 13:58
oiaohm	No match at all.	Aug 01 13:58
MinceR	The GNOME Project (William Jon McCann, Brian Cameron, Ray Strode)	Aug 01 13:58
MinceR	Name: RayStrode, JonMccann	Aug 01 13:58
MinceR	yeah, no match whatsoever	Aug 01 13:59
oiaohm	MinceR: who is the one in charge of the main brance	Aug 01 13:59
oiaohm	branch	Aug 01 13:59
oiaohm	Brian Cameron	Aug 01 13:59
MinceR	no idea	Aug 01 13:59
oiaohm	Gnome policy against commercial control.	Aug 01 14:00
oiaohm	So you end up with the wrong people in charge.	Aug 01 14:00
oiaohm	And you end up with stupid forks.	Aug 01 14:00
MinceR	looks like they're not taking that policy seriously	Aug 01 14:00
MinceR	if they did, gnome would not depend on systemd	Aug 01 14:00
cubexyz	seems like a bad design	Aug 01 14:01
cubexyz	so you can't use gnome without also using systemd?	Aug 01 14:01
MinceR	you probably can, if you use the funtoo patches	Aug 01 14:01
MinceR	to gnome, that is	Aug 01 14:02
oiaohm	https://wiki.gnome.org/BrianCameron	Aug 01 14:02
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oiaohm	cubexyz: you can use gnome without systemd.	Aug 01 14:02
oiaohm	but you need distrobutions to have updated a particular package.	Aug 01 14:02
MinceR	i'm guessing that "particular package" is systemd	Aug 01 14:03
MinceR	"you can have it in any color you want, as long as it's black."	Aug 01 14:03
oiaohm	MinceR: wrong	Aug 01 14:03
oiaohm	http://consolekit2.github.io/ConsoleKit2/	Aug 01 14:04
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oiaohm	Before logind Linux systems used a older soltuion called consolekit MinceR	Aug 01 14:04
MinceR	if it ends in "kit", that's a bad sign	Aug 01 14:04
oiaohm	Consolekit went end of life.	Aug 01 14:04
MinceR	yeah, it was pushed off a cliff	Aug 01 14:04
oiaohm	Consolekit2 is the current uptodate version.	Aug 01 14:04
MinceR	to make way for glorious systemd	Aug 01 14:04
oiaohm	Consolekit2 contains Logind interfaces	Aug 01 14:05
oiaohm	So no need for systemd to use stuff depending on logind	Aug 01 14:05
MinceR	the ones gdm depends on?	Aug 01 14:05
oiaohm	Yep	Aug 01 14:05
oiaohm	Same with lightdm and sddm	Aug 01 14:05
oiaohm	Consolekit2 + openrc is very functional.	Aug 01 14:06
MinceR	i'm sure redcrap is working on that	Aug 01 14:06
MinceR	assuming it's true	Aug 01 14:06
oiaohm	Consolekit2 comes out of gentoo	Aug 01 14:06
oiaohm	Same with openrc	Aug 01 14:06
oiaohm	Your no alterative to systemd arguement has not been true MinceR	Aug 01 14:07
oiaohm	MinceR: https://wiki.gnome.org/Projects/ConsoleKit	Aug 01 14:09
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oiaohm	MinceR: if you had read a little more.	Aug 01 14:09
MinceR	it's not like redcrap won't try all the tricks in the m$ book to change that	Aug 01 14:09
oiaohm	KDE and Gnome and LXDE guys are checking there DM's against consolekit2	Aug 01 14:09
MinceR	http://lists.freedesktop.org/archives/systemd-devel/2014-May/019657.html	Aug 01 14:09
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MinceR	no way.	Aug 01 14:09
MinceR	kde announced they'll depend on systemd in this month	Aug 01 14:09
oiaohm	No MinceR	Aug 01 14:10
oiaohm	They said they would depend on logind	Aug 01 14:10
oiaohm	they did not say systemd	Aug 01 14:10
MinceR	which is a part of systemd	Aug 01 14:10
oiaohm	logind is consolekit2	Aug 01 14:10
MinceR	no, consolekit2 is consolekit2	Aug 01 14:10
oiaohm	No systemd is 1 implementation.	Aug 01 14:10
MinceR	yeah, just like windows is "1 implementation" of the windows api	Aug 01 14:10
oiaohm	logind is a api define.	Aug 01 14:11
MinceR	and internet explorer is "1 implementation" of what m$ wishes the web standards were	Aug 01 14:11
oiaohm	Now tested implemtentions KDE and GNome are using.	Aug 01 14:11
MinceR	(probably not too far since tbl sold out to them)	Aug 01 14:11
oiaohm	is that it works with consolekit, systemd and what ever openbsd does.	Aug 01 14:11
oiaohm	consolekit2 I should have typed there.	Aug 01 14:12
oiaohm	Reality is dependance on Logind is not dependance on systemd when the upstream developers are demarding testing against the other solutions.	Aug 01 14:12
oiaohm	Please remember lot of developers in KDE are gentoo.	Aug 01 14:13
MinceR	ooh, "testing"	Aug 01 14:13
MinceR	i doubt they even know that word at redcrap	Aug 01 14:13
oiaohm	But gentoo and BSD guys know what testing means. MinceR	Aug 01 14:13
MinceR	except in this context: "nobody of us tests this"	Aug 01 14:13
MinceR	https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=74589	Aug 01 14:13
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oiaohm	And will not put up with being stuck with a Init system they cannot remove.	Aug 01 14:14
MinceR	oiaohm: is that why gentoo added support for systemd, with the reasoning that this will let you use gnome?	Aug 01 14:14
oiaohm	systemd addition in gentoo is not gdm logind usage.	Aug 01 14:15
oiaohm	Its gnome sandboxed applications MinceR	Aug 01 14:15
MinceR	lol	Aug 01 14:15
oiaohm	My point is you are getting the faults wrong.	Aug 01 14:15
MinceR	i expect the gnome "sandbox" will make the chromium sandbox look good	Aug 01 14:15
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MinceR	s/m sandbox/m "sandbox"/	Aug 01 14:16
oiaohm	https://wiki.gnome.org/Projects/SandboxedApps	Aug 01 14:16
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oiaohm	MinceR: yes gnome sandbox design demards kdbus	Aug 01 14:16
MinceR	no surprise there	Aug 01 14:17
MinceR	the gnome project aspires to be the pinnacle of idiocy	Aug 01 14:17
oiaohm	MinceR: basically logind is not a problem.	Aug 01 14:17
MinceR	systemd, kdbus, CSD, crApple HIG	Aug 01 14:17
oiaohm	logind solves a lot of DM design nightmares.	Aug 01 14:17
MinceR	by replacing them with new ones	Aug 01 14:18
MinceR	btw, when is kmutter coming?	Aug 01 14:18
oiaohm	kdm has 8 backends to attempt to log into a system.	Aug 01 14:18
oiaohm	Hopefully attempting all them will not cause a kernel painic	Aug 01 14:18
oiaohm	logind provides a single location for the 1 to use to register.	Aug 01 14:18
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cubexyz	ok, custom is using $HOME/.xsession	Aug 01 14:45
cubexyz	which runs tinywm	Aug 01 14:45
cubexyz	and interestingly enough I can get my motif programs to work with tinywm	Aug 01 14:45
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cubexyz	oiaohm, do you have any idea what chooser does?	Aug 01 14:51
cubexyz	as in /etc/X11/xdm/chooser	Aug 01 14:51
DaemonFC	J. R. Bob Dobbs (formerly ZOMG Pink Ponies) says:	Aug 01 14:54
DaemonFC	http://www.billboard.com/articles/business/6641711/al-franken-apple-music-app-store-letter-ftc	Aug 01 14:54
DaemonFC	Said the article, in part,	Aug 01 14:54
DaemonFC	As previously reported, Apple takes a 30 percent cut of all purchases within its App store. Outside developers are barred from informing consumers within their App pages that the same service can be purchased on their third-party websites, thereby cutting Apple out of the equation. Rules also prohibit apps from including a link to their websites and from mentioning other platforms, like Google Play.	Aug 01 14:54
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.billboard.com \| Sen. Al Franken Wants Federal Probe of Apple Music, App Store Practices \| Billboard [ http://ur1.ca/nbpfq ]		Aug 01 14:54
DaemonFC	"These types of restrictions seem to offer no competitive benefit and may actually undermine the competitive process, to the detriment of consumers, who may end up paying substantially more than the current market price point," Franken said in his letter.	Aug 01 14:54
DaemonFC	Franken's letter addresses concerns from music streaming services that believe consumers should be better informed about pricing disparities between the App store and their websites. Services including Spotify and Rdio charge $12.99/month in the App store to account for Apple's 30 percent cut. If purchased directly, the price would be $9.99/month.	Aug 01 14:54
DaemonFC	Taking matters into their own hands, Spotify recently announced plans to email iPhone users with directions on how to alter their subscriptions in order to save a few dollars each month. "It's super simple," the emailed tutorial reads.	Aug 01 14:54
DaemonFC	Apple Music, which launched June 30 to much fanfare, also charges $9.99 but does not have to worry about the company's 30 percent.	Aug 01 14:54
oiaohm	cubexyz: I don't have xdm installed.	Aug 01 14:58
oiaohm	cubexyz: http://www.me.umn.edu/~kaszeta/unix/xterminal/config.html	Aug 01 15:00
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cubexyz	oh it displays a menu of names and lets the user select one	Aug 01 15:05
oiaohm	Its what server to log into.	Aug 01 15:06
oiaohm	Hmm KDE 5 icon only task bar is nice.	Aug 01 15:06
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cubexyz	it would be nice if I could do a graphical login from any machine to any machine	Aug 01 15:15
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DaemonFC	http://gizmodo.com/dont-fall-for-this-windows-10-email-scam-1721498280?utm_campaign=socialflow_gizmodo_facebook&utm_source=gizmodo_facebook&utm_medium=socialflow	Aug 01 16:12
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msb__	O Crap - Canada -- www.activistpost.com/2015/07/canada-is-tinpot-dictatorship.html	Aug 01 17:07
msb__	http://www.activistpost.com/2015/07/caada-is-tinpot-dictatorship.html	Aug 01 17:08
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msb__	http://www.activistpost.com/2015/07/canada-is-tinpot-dictatorship.html	Aug 01 17:09
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schestowitz	> Old history:	Aug 01 17:12
schestowitz	>	Aug 01 17:12
schestowitz	>> > ... I asked principal about this and he said that the city of	Aug 01 17:12
schestowitz	>> > [redacted] has a deal with Microsoft and they're not allowing this	Aug 01 17:12
schestowitz	>> > migration to happen or it would be a breach of contract...	Aug 01 17:13
schestowitz	https://twitter.com/whvholst/status/627512704991907840	Aug 01 17:16
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@whvholst: @schestowitz @glynmoody Fuzzing the Peeping Toms may cause you to stray into gray areas of (criminal) law.		Aug 01 17:16
schestowitz	Which law would that be?	Aug 01 17:16
cubexyz	hmmm?	Aug 01 17:35
cubexyz	I thought the Munich thing was a done deal	Aug 01 17:35
schestowitz	https://twitter.com/whvholst/status/627516279491035137	Aug 01 17:36
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@whvholst: @schestowitz @glynmoody The various implementations of artt. 4-5 of the Cybercrime Convention.		Aug 01 17:36
schestowitz	https://twitter.com/sheilabenson/status/627518111122620416	Aug 01 17:37
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@sheilabenson: .@schestowitz Surely people just open new sites. How do these mechanisms keep up ?		Aug 01 17:37
schestowitz	They probably don't, i.e. false marketing, wishful thinking	Aug 01 17:37
schestowitz	https://twitter.com/whvholst/status/627518605266165760	Aug 01 17:38
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@whvholst: @schestowitz @glynmoody In your case that would be art. 3 of the Computer Misuse Act 1990. http://t.co/SHoCpRVOnQ		Aug 01 17:38
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights--> www.legislation.gov.uk \| Computer Misuse Act 1990		Aug 01 17:38
cubexyz	MinceR, do you know of a mixer program for mwm?	Aug 01 17:53
cubexyz	there's xmmix but it's just too old	Aug 01 17:53
MinceR	i don't	Aug 01 17:53
cubexyz	like 1996 old	Aug 01 17:53
MinceR	but you could run alsamixer in a terminal	Aug 01 17:53
cubexyz	what do you know... it's in openbsd	Aug 01 18:05
MinceR	:)	Aug 01 18:11
MinceR	should have specified what audio interface the mixer is for	Aug 01 18:11
cubexyz	alsa for linux	Aug 01 18:13
cubexyz	I guess xmmix just opens /dev/mixer	Aug 01 18:16
cubexyz	ok, it works on openbsd	Aug 01 18:27
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cubexyz	the speakers in this monitor kind of suck	Aug 01 18:28
schestowitz	https://twitter.com/SleepyPenguin1/status/627522477527318528	Aug 01 18:58
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@SleepyPenguin1: @schestowitz In the 15 years that I've used #GNU /Linux on my desktop I've hardly ever had any problems with it @ruskin147		Aug 01 18:58
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Arch Linux 2015.08.01 Is Now Available for	Aug 01 19:11
TweetTuxMachines	Download, Powered by Linux Kernel 4.1	Aug 01 19:11
TweetTuxMachines	http://t.co/yCWeTaxnlx (linux.softpedia.com)	Aug 01 19:11
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Middle-earth: Shadow of Mordor GOTY Launches on	Aug 01 19:11
TweetTuxMachines	Linux with 50% Price Cut http://t.co/cURugUy4Rk	Aug 01 19:11
TweetTuxMachines	(news.softpedia.com)	Aug 01 19:11
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Steam for Linux Beta Client Updated with New	Aug 01 19:11
TweetTuxMachines	Features for Big Picture	Aug 01 19:11
TweetTuxMachines	http://t.co/aEBMrRIZlT (linux.softpedia.com)	Aug 01 19:11
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Fedora 23 in Alpha Freeze, Due August 11	Aug 01 19:20
TweetTuxMachines	http://t.co/zrABglv8VU (ostatic.com)	Aug 01 19:20
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines LEGO Smart Home http://t.co/XOHBFgGQNC	Aug 01 19:29
TweetTuxMachines	(www.linuxuser.co.uk)	Aug 01 19:29
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/nbrfq	Aug 01 19:29
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.linuxuser.co.uk \| LEGO Smart Home \| Linux User & Developer - the Linux and FOSS mag for a GNU generation		Aug 01 19:29
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Android for Work Gets Support from Major U.S.	Aug 01 19:40
TweetTuxMachines	Carriers http://t.co/Q7WpHzCgPY (ostatic.com)	Aug 01 19:40
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/nbriz	Aug 01 19:41
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-ostatic.com \| Android for Work Gets Support from Major U.S. Carriers		Aug 01 19:41
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Valve Launches Big SteamOS Sale over the	Aug 01 19:41
TweetTuxMachines	Weekend http://t.co/h5KTrEX72y	Aug 01 19:41
TweetTuxMachines	(news.softpedia.com) that's now	Aug 01 19:41
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-news.softpedia.com \| Valve Launches Big SteamOS Sale over the Weekend - Softpedia		Aug 01 19:41
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines ET: Legacy Is Preparing A New Wolfenstein Enemy	Aug 01 19:41
TweetTuxMachines	Territory Update http://t.co/ImD6XKujMJ	Aug 01 19:41
TweetTuxMachines	(www.phoronix.com)	Aug 01 19:41
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.phoronix.com \| ET: Legacy Is Preparing A New Wolfenstein Enemy Territory Update - Phoronix		Aug 01 19:41
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MinceR	http://i.imgur.com/0m234lL.png	Aug 01 19:42
cubexyz	lol	Aug 01 19:42
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__martin__	"The start menu doesn't open and the shell command and adding the registry dword didn't work. I really don't know what to do..." :_D	Aug 01 19:50
__martin__	frustration staging	Aug 01 19:51
MinceR	i know what to do in that case	Aug 01 19:51
schestowitz	https://twitter.com/muzzarca/status/627551947617341440	Aug 01 19:51
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@muzzarca: @schestowitz let's get them. pls help my offer for a reward get across. https://t.co/WFCTsV8lbR		Aug 01 19:51
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@muzzarca: I offer €10k ten thousand for the names of the people who killed #Jericho with evidence. http://t.co/JJspbdjYJW #CecilTheLion Please RT.		Aug 01 19:51
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__martin__	"Every couple of minutes, I will experience 4-5 'bursts' of lag. This manifests as rubberbanding in games, and not being able to find the page while browsing. This only started happening after I upgraded to Windows 10. I've updated my wifi card adapter, uninstalled/reinstalled it, reset router/modem, nothing helps. Anyone had a similar issue? My ping stays down where it usually is during the whole t	Aug 01 19:54
__martin__	hing. " aka phone @ home	Aug 01 19:54
MinceR	:)	Aug 01 19:54
__martin__	mince, you should not have linked that reddit pic	Aug 01 19:54
MinceR	why?	Aug 01 19:55
__martin__	it's even better than /r/latvianjokes :_DD	Aug 01 19:55
MinceR	also, it's not from reddit	Aug 01 19:55
MinceR	oh, a screenshot of reddit	Aug 01 19:55
cubexyz	I wonder how the windows 10 users are doing	Aug 01 19:55
MinceR	probably the usual way	Aug 01 19:55
MinceR	suffering, and treating their suffering with cognitive dissonance	Aug 01 19:56
__martin__	also, on the other hand, this nsa-os finally doing something useful.. will redirect more pissed of wives/girlfriends towards nofap.org/yourbrainonporn.com ;)	Aug 01 19:56
MinceR	or simply being unaware that an OS doesn't have to suck that much	Aug 01 19:56
__martin__	father stuck at pirated vi$ta7 / we don't talk technical matters since he is vendor-locked for quite a few years and stubborn /	Aug 01 19:57
MinceR	i don't think it will redirect anyone there	Aug 01 19:57
cubexyz	nsa-os :)	Aug 01 19:57
cubexyz	finally an OS I will not try	Aug 01 19:57
__martin__	cubexyz: please man, if it was you who linked in here that healthy-mind manifesto sort of like a week ago, could you point me there again?	Aug 01 19:58
cubexyz	eh?	Aug 01 19:58
__martin__	or was it msb___ / perhaps even oiaohm	Aug 01 19:58
cubexyz	healthy mind manifesto I never heard of that	Aug 01 19:58
__martin__	ik	Aug 01 19:59
__martin__	it was inserted within a debate of how general public is overly tapped into commodity logic	Aug 01 19:59
__martin__	nevermind	Aug 01 19:59
cubexyz	sounds like something msb would write :)	Aug 01 20:00
cubexyz	my grep-fu comes up with this:	Aug 01 20:01
cubexyz	http://cosmicpenguin.com/CauseAndCure.html	Aug 01 20:01
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-cosmicpenguin.com \| THE CAUSE AND CURE OF HUMANITY'S PROBLEMS [ http://ur1.ca/n52a6 ]		Aug 01 20:01
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cubexyz	my manifesto would be like... I'm sick of everyone complaining about windows 10	Aug 01 20:02
cubexyz	the end	Aug 01 20:02
MinceR	i'm sick of everyone trying to force me to use shitty OS-es	Aug 01 20:03
MinceR	like vista10 and lendows	Aug 01 20:03
__martin__	yes	Aug 01 20:03
__martin__	that's it!	Aug 01 20:03
__martin__	thanks (=	Aug 01 20:03
__martin__	[me not backing up mozilla bookmark's while distro-hopping]	Aug 01 20:03
__martin__	s*	Aug 01 20:03
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__martin__	ahah	Aug 01 20:07
__martin__	"Laptop not powerful enough to open the start menu, cannot revert back to windows 8.1"	Aug 01 20:08
MinceR	lol	Aug 01 20:08
__martin__	okay, srsly, stopping this spam	Aug 01 20:08
__martin__	well have to conclude	Aug 01 20:08
XRevan86	__martin__: I had that thing on Insider Preview. I got my fun and then closed the VM.	Aug 01 20:08
__martin__	the brain standards lowered since the 2nd millenium crossing	Aug 01 20:09
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__martin__	nn*	Aug 01 20:11
__martin__	true botnet	Aug 01 20:11
__martin__	https://www.reddit.com/r/Windows10/comments/3ffmj2/laptop_wont_shut_down_anyone_else_have_this_and/	Aug 01 20:11
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights- ( status 503 @ https://www.reddit.com/r/Windows10/comments/3ffmj2/laptop_wont_shut_down_anyone_else_have_this_and/ )		Aug 01 20:12
__martin__	"It turns off the monitor, but the keyboard lights and fan stay on indefinitely. I let it sit for a hour last night then took the power cord out and went to bed. In the morning the battery was 100% dead."	Aug 01 20:12
MinceR	power management, micro$oft style!	Aug 01 20:13
__martin__	btw, a nice read http://citizen-ex.com/stories/io	Aug 01 20:14
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-citizen-ex.com \| The story of .io \| Citizen Ex		Aug 01 20:14
__martin__	okay three more "jokes" and then am off with that :_D	Aug 01 20:17
__martin__	"Reverted to 7 and now my mouse and keyboard won't work at the welcome screen."	Aug 01 20:18
cubexyz	didn't revert far back enough	Aug 01 20:18
MinceR	probably the usb stack decided they should be in different ports :>	Aug 01 20:19
MinceR	2015: not the day of windows on the desktop	Aug 01 20:19
MinceR	s/day/year/	Aug 01 20:19
__martin__	"Every time I start a game (any game), loud "spike sound" comes from the speakers."	Aug 01 20:19
__martin__	"RULES: No malware/spyware/rats etc. Nothing that would disrupt the freedom of the user" - https://windows10tweaksanddebloat.codeplex.com/	Aug 01 20:20
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-windows10tweaksanddebloat.codeplex.com \| Windows 10 Tweaks and Debloating Tools - Home [ http://ur1.ca/nbrtv ]		Aug 01 20:20
__martin__	xDDD	Aug 01 20:20
msb__	cubexyz: Thanks! Your grep-fu is the best!	Aug 01 20:32
cubexyz	np	Aug 01 20:32
__martin__	msb__: thx to you as well	Aug 01 20:34
msb__	__martin__: Glad you like it! Check it again in a week or so, I am putting in links and maybe more stuff.	Aug 01 20:36
__martin__	i will	Aug 01 20:36
__martin__	MinceR: the best one so far.. an advice from the m$ staffer: "Spam the activation servers - You can do this using the slmgr /ato command" :_D	Aug 01 20:36
MinceR	:)	Aug 01 20:37
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Rackspace reaching out to women with ‘Linux for	Aug 01 20:38
TweetTuxMachines	Ladies’ http://t.co/O9bq8AXp8W	Aug 01 20:38
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schestowitz	https://twitter.com/HenkPoley/status/627566742760505344	Aug 01 20:52
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@HenkPoley: @schestowitz @dabeaz there's something alike: http://t.co/jz1Cg8JIU0		Aug 01 20:52
schestowitz	That sort of feeds the "bad guys", too, might cause complication for user	Aug 01 20:53
schestowitz	https://twitter.com/HenkPoley/status/627568126432030720	Aug 01 20:54
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@HenkPoley: @schestowitz @dabeaz you could modify Privacy Badger to fill "filtered" cookies with fuzzed data.		Aug 01 20:54
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Installing Linux on a Mac, Why Bother?	Aug 01 21:44
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Find the Perfect Linux-Compatible PC with	Aug 01 21:44
TweetTuxMachines	Ubuntu's Hardware Database	Aug 01 21:44
TweetTuxMachines	http://t.co/9vyz3kPrZj (lifehacker.com)	Aug 01 21:44
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines OnePlus 2 Review Roundup: Solid Android	Aug 01 21:44
TweetTuxMachines	Smartphone And Fantastic Tag Price	Aug 01 21:44
TweetTuxMachines	http://t.co/xMnPiEgMPF (www.techtimes.com)	Aug 01 21:44
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Links 1/8/2015: Steam Sale, blackPanther OS	Aug 01 22:02
TweetTuxMachines	14.1 http://t.co/30W6mlcnI2 (techrights.org)	Aug 01 22:02
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines KDE and Akademy http://t.co/zUlSk3I8VQ	Aug 01 22:02
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org \| KDE and Akademy \| Tux Machines		Aug 01 22:02
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Leftovers: Gaming http://t.co/nmJXl3HAHo	Aug 01 22:02
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org \| Leftovers: Gaming \| Tux Machines		Aug 01 22:02
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oiaohm	http://developer.amd.com/community/blog/2015/07/15/collaboration-and-open-source-at-amd-libreoffice/ This is impressive speed boost	Jul 26 13:20
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cubexyz	ah	Jul 26 13:31
cubexyz	finally	Jul 26 13:31
cubexyz	oiaohm, managed to get the serial term working :)	Jul 26 13:32
cubexyz	I need something better than minicom though	Jul 26 13:34
cubexyz	now if X messes up, and the text console messes up, I should be able to still get in	Jul 26 13:37
oiaohm	I found out why kdm was not working too well. Turns out I was running way way too much testing.	Jul 26 13:38
oiaohm	cubexyz: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Simple_Desktop_Display_Manager past a particular point on KDE you are meant to swap to this.	Jul 26 13:39
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cubexyz	oiaohm, kdm keeps running	Jul 26 13:44
cubexyz	not sure what you mean	Jul 26 13:44
oiaohm	after reboot I was having 1 in 3 failures to start of KDM.	Jul 26 13:45
oiaohm	cubexyz: yes it was still running some of the time.	Jul 26 13:45
cubexyz	ah there we go	Jul 26 13:47
cubexyz	minicom -o	Jul 26 13:47
cubexyz	except xsetroot generates an error	Jul 26 13:48
cubexyz	this should also work even if the router fails	Jul 26 13:50
oiaohm	running from a serial you most likely did not have a X11 display value.	Jul 26 13:56
oiaohm	cubexyz: I would guess with xsetroot	Jul 26 13:56
cubexyz	I need to make a smarter script	Jul 26 13:57
oiaohm	I know that feeling.	Jul 26 13:57
oiaohm	The fun of making a script to do a conditional backup and complain only if only 1 of the backup drives was not installed was fun.	Jul 26 13:58
oiaohm	Opps	Jul 26 13:58
oiaohm	Only complain if more than 1 of the backup drivers was not installed.	Jul 26 13:59
cubexyz	same with running X11 programs on the serial port	Jul 26 13:59
cubexyz	but I guess an error is normal then	Jul 26 13:59
oiaohm	Display value with x11 can be fun to mess with the existing interface from the serial point.	Jul 26 14:00
cubexyz	a really smart program would just switch into text mode when necessary	Jul 26 14:00
oiaohm	Can be a great prank.	Jul 26 14:00
oiaohm	cubexyz: http://archive.oreilly.com/pub/h/4441 it is possible to render X11 output as ascii art.	Jul 26 14:02
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cubexyz	I can't even remember why xsetroot is in .profile	Jul 26 14:04
oiaohm	I would have to see the command line but it adjust X11 settings.	Jul 26 14:07
cubexyz	why did the kde people write kdm?	Jul 26 14:07
cubexyz	there was already xdm	Jul 26 14:08
oiaohm	To be trueful feature wise xdm is very lean on.	Jul 26 14:10
oiaohm	https://github.com/sddm/sddm	Jul 26 14:11
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oiaohm	kdm and sddm its replacement support way more complete theming cubexyz	Jul 26 14:11
cubexyz	is that a KDE 5 thing?	Jul 26 14:12
oiaohm	sddm becomes KDE5 preferd dm but sddm is also used by lxqt project	Jul 26 14:14
oiaohm	cubexyz: basically I had too much KDE5 installed for KDM to work correctly any more.	Jul 26 14:15
oiaohm	sddm is cleaner at being pure pure QT where KDM uses kde particular libraries.	Jul 26 14:16
schestowitz	https://twitter.com/mellenoweth/status/625294017580953600 https://twitter.com/matthewstinar/status/625294301593899008	Jul 26 14:20
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@mellenoweth: @schestowitz winning hearts and minds !		Jul 26 14:20
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@matthewstinar: @schestowitz Android is less closed & runs on more hardware. Google spends less resources attacking good things & supports open source.		Jul 26 14:20
oiaohm	cubexyz: KDE 5 does not have kdm any more either.	Jul 26 14:20
oiaohm	schestowitz: not exactly there is more to android being open source. Name the most dominate phone OS before Android.	Jul 26 14:21
oiaohm	schestowitz: the answer is Symbian and why it was so popular is it source code got stolen.	Jul 26 14:23
oiaohm	schestowitz: The issue here is USA trade restrictions.	Jul 26 14:23
cubexyz	now I'm wondering what they did before X11R3	Jul 26 14:24
cubexyz	since xdm started with X11R3	Jul 26 14:25
cubexyz	maybe you just logged in then started X	Jul 26 14:28
oiaohm	cubexyz: startx	Jul 26 14:29
oiaohm	Yes that is the horible reality of X11 is that core design does not have a clue about a display manager.	Jul 26 14:30
cubexyz	oiaohm, no need for startx	Jul 26 14:32
cubexyz	xinit /usr/bin/whatever-wm	Jul 26 14:32
oiaohm	cubexyz: go far enough back there is no xinit	Jul 26 14:33
schestowitz	https://twitter.com/mellenoweth/status/625296915664629760	Jul 26 14:33
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@mellenoweth: @schestowitz they came for the chronically sick and disabled...		Jul 26 14:33
cubexyz	startx is just a bourne shell script is it not?	Jul 26 14:34
cubexyz	xinit goes back pretty far	Jul 26 14:35
oiaohm	these days.	Jul 26 14:35
oiaohm	it a script.	Jul 26 14:35
oiaohm	cubexyz: its horible, At first startx then xinit then xinit and startx then dms.	Jul 26 14:36
cubexyz	what's dms?	Jul 26 14:38
oiaohm	cubexyz: dms I missed a mark dm's being display managers	Jul 26 14:40
cubexyz	oh :)	Jul 26 14:40
oiaohm	sddm in fact support wayland.	Jul 26 14:41
schestowitz	https://twitter.com/FrankViewZ/status/625300113712410629	Jul 26 14:44
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@FrankViewZ: @schestowitz Looks like the State is on verge of taking control of drones from ordinary people by this scaremongering !!		Jul 26 14:44
schestowitz	Monopolising them like radio frequencies	Jul 26 14:44
cubexyz	oiaohm, I've thought about porting the old xwm.c to modern X11	Jul 26 14:48
cubexyz	or xwm rather	Jul 26 14:48
cubexyz	there's no xwm.c I don't think	Jul 26 14:49
cubexyz	but tinywm is about 50 lines so it's the smallest by far	Jul 26 14:50
msb_	.	Jul 26 14:53
msb_	XRevan86: MinceR: New Eurasian+ alliance counters US fascist empire! http://www.commondreams.org/views/2015/07/23/eurasian-big-bang-how-china-and-russia-are-running-rings-around-washington	Jul 26 14:55
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msb_	http://www.tomdispatch.com/post/176026/tomgram%3A_pepe_escobar%2C_the_pivot_to_eurasia/	Jul 26 14:56
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schestowitz	my site is down	Jul 26 14:57
schestowitz	I think the server is kaput	Jul 26 14:57
schestowitz	blueberry has been down for nearly a third of a day now. Can't access mail to check response to ticket. ETA? No status updates. They're not indicating even it'll come back online :-/	Jul 26 14:57
schestowitz	Fuck, I know what happened now	Jul 26 15:17
schestowitz	> Hi Roy,	Jul 26 15:17
schestowitz	>	Jul 26 15:17
schestowitz	> There are unpaid invoices on the billing account for schestowitz.com so it is suspended.	Jul 26 15:17
schestowitz	>	Jul 26 15:17
schestowitz	> The billing login area is here billing.catalyst2.com/clientarea.php	Jul 26 15:17
schestowitz	>	Jul 26 15:17
schestowitz	> If you do not have login information for this area please can I have the full postal address that we have on the billing account so I am authorised to make account changes.	Jul 26 15:17
schestowitz	>	Jul 26 15:17
schestowitz	Hi,	Jul 26 15:17
schestowitz	I have just spoken to Tom, after my site and all my E-mail accounts (not just mine) had been suspended for 12 hours, meaning that I could not read your reply until now, either. It turns out there was a cockup as Catalyst2 did not configure the accounts correctly after a migration that we were not even told about, so we never got sent any bills and my main site, therefore, got suspended for 12 hours. My home hub's IP address also got banned	Jul 26 15:17
schestowitz	by the firewall for some reasons (maybe related to this suspension), leaving me baffled and unable to know what was happening until I phoned up.	Jul 26 15:17
schestowitz	This is the first such major cockup after 12 years with the company. I hope you can make up for that one way or another...	Jul 26 15:17
schestowitz	Regards,	Jul 26 15:18
schestowitz	Roy	Jul 26 15:18
schestowitz	> Hi Roy	Jul 26 15:26
schestowitz	>	Jul 26 15:26
schestowitz	> As I just confirmed on the phone now, I'm escalating the issue you had earlier today. This is the ticket for the problem.	Jul 26 15:26
schestowitz	>	Jul 26 15:26
schestowitz	> In the mean time, if you could login to the billing area and pay the outstanding invoice that would be appreciated.	Jul 26 15:26
schestowitz	> Hi Roy	Jul 26 15:26
schestowitz	>	Jul 26 15:26
schestowitz	> Furthering my previous email, once you've logged into the new billing area and paid any outstanding invoices, you can also save your credit card details for future transactions on this page: https://billing.catalyst2.com/clientarea.php?action=creditcard	Jul 26 15:26
schestowitz	>	Jul 26 15:26
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-billing.catalyst2.com \| Client Area - Catalyst2 Services Ltd [ http://ur1.ca/n9p05 ]		Jul 26 15:26
schestowitz	> As part of the transfer to the new system we were unable to transfer your card details across.	Jul 26 15:26
schestowitz	>	Jul 26 15:26
schestowitz	> As compensation for the issue you had with the billing transfer, we've credited your account with one month's hosting.	Jul 26 15:26
schestowitz	In my billing there's one bill for "Late Fee (Added 26/06/2015)" - for bills that I never received... nor had any access to. Can that Late Fee (penalty I assume) please be removed and some form of compensation added to the account? Like I said, there's nothing that we did wrong in this case. We didn't even get contacted before the suspension. It was only us contacting the company after 12 hours of downtime (mail and site).	Jul 26 15:26
schestowitz	Wow..	Jul 26 15:26
schestowitz	total fuckup	Jul 26 15:26
schestowitz	> Hi Roy	Jul 26 15:38
schestowitz	>	Jul 26 15:38
schestowitz	> Once again, please accept our apologies for this. I've removed the late fee for you now and the compensation mentioned in the previous email has been credited to your account already.	Jul 26 15:38
schestowitz	>	Jul 26 15:38
schestowitz	> Any issues, let us know.	Jul 26 15:38
schestowitz	>	Jul 26 15:38
schestowitz	> Kind regards	Jul 26 15:38
schestowitz	Hi,	Jul 26 15:38
schestowitz	I refreshed, but the late fee was still there. I also logged out and back in again and it's still there. This is proving to be time-consuming (the whole thing), set aside downtime and problems due to no access to essential E-mails (my wife's also).	Jul 26 15:38
schestowitz	> Hi Roy	Jul 26 15:48
schestowitz	>	Jul 26 15:48
schestowitz	> I can't see that the late fee is still there for any of your invoices. The total balance due should be £310.79 - that's with the late fees removed.	Jul 26 15:48
schestowitz	>	Jul 26 15:48
schestowitz	> I appreciate that this hasn't been an ideal transfer for yourself, however this is just a one-off event as we transfer you. Once you're setup with the new billing area, you should not have any future issues.	Jul 26 15:48
schestowitz	>	Jul 26 15:48
schestowitz	> Kind regards	Jul 26 15:48
schestowitz	The late fee is still definitely there, both in the panel and when I click pay all. Invoice # 133378. It just lost its Description and now it says "INV021539" instead of late fee. Also, when attempting to pay, I no longer see the credit paying accounted for, so basically there is no compensation for all the trouble and I still need to pay a late fee on bills that I never received or had access to. Please can you rectify so that I can pay? I'	Jul 26 15:48
schestowitz	ve already lost many hours today (not just site visitors, who thought I got "suspended", which is embarrassing) due to all these issues.	Jul 26 15:48
schestowitz	https://twitter.com/catalyst2/status/625306791472164865	Jul 26 15:49
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@catalyst2: @schestowitz it appears to be as you have invoices overdue on your account. Do you have the details to login?		Jul 26 15:49
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schestowitz	so they just gave compensation:	Jul 26 16:12
schestowitz	> Hi Roy	Jul 26 16:12
schestowitz	>	Jul 26 16:12
schestowitz	> Let me clarify this.	Jul 26 16:12
schestowitz	>	Jul 26 16:12
schestowitz	> You have an invoice (number 133378) which was made up of two things:	Jul 26 16:12
schestowitz	> - £12.00 (for INV021539 - a reference from our OLD billing system)	Jul 26 16:12
schestowitz	> - £1.20 (a 10% late payment fee. I have removed this)	Jul 26 16:12
schestowitz	>	Jul 26 16:12
schestowitz	> The previous total was £13.20. It's now just £12.00 as I have removed the late payment fee.	Jul 26 16:12
schestowitz	>	Jul 26 16:12
schestowitz	> The reason there isn't a full description is because it's an invoice from our old billing system. In future, you'll see the full description of what is being invoiced - as you do for the other invoices. I have removed this invoice altogether for you, so there are just the two to pay.	Jul 26 16:12
schestowitz	>	Jul 26 16:13
schestowitz	> My apologies for the inconvenience caused.	Jul 26 16:13
schestowitz	>	Jul 26 16:13
schestowitz	> Kind regards	Jul 26 16:13
schestowitz	Thank you, I have just made the payment.	Jul 26 16:13
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schestowitz	Hi Roy	Jul 26 16:21
schestowitz	Many thanks for making payment. I've just taken a look at the account and your credit card details have been successfully saved and so future invoices will be paid automatically, preventing this from happening again. Your email on the account is also now roy@schestowitz.com. If you wish to change this, you can do so from the new billing area.	Jul 26 16:21
schestowitz	Once again, apologies for any inconvenience caused. Any issues, let us know.	Jul 26 16:21
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schestowitz	https://www.joindiaspora.com/posts/6389608	Jul 26 18:46
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@harryhaller@nerdpol.ch: > ---- <strong> ![Avatar](https://nerdpol.ch/camo/8302cd6c55822406ab22d7a39b9ead65c5c880ae/68747470733a2f2f706f642e6f726b7a2e6e65742f75706c6f6164732f696d616765732f7468756d625f736d616c6c5f65663033336261626637363564396562633362302e6a7067) @{ maestro davincius ; maestro@pod.orkz.net} </strong><sup> [26/07/2015 18:30:20](/posts/8808ed3015e101332b4700163e5dbca2)</sup> > #fsf #openhardware #free-software #GNU #linux >		Jul 26 18:46
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schestowitz	Tony has emailed me several times. I think they will try to tackle these issues in the near future.	Jul 26 18:46
schestowitz	"	Jul 26 18:47
schestowitz	The sad conclusion:	Jul 26 18:47
schestowitz	But Todd swoops in, raises at least half a million dollars, and convinces lots of people that free systems with modern Intel hardware are not only possible but forthcoming. I imagine real efforts to make free systems will be met with more criticism than ever (or skepticism among anyone who realizes that Purism can’t fulfill their promises).	Jul 26 18:47
schestowitz	"	Jul 26 18:47
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schestowitz	https://joindiaspora.com/posts/6388740	Jul 26 19:12
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: #investorplace helps people make money from #war http://investorplace.com/2015/07/war-stocks-to-buy-ktos-cvu/ "Stocks to Buy for the Future of Warfare. War isn't going anywhere"		Jul 26 19:12
schestowitz	"War is unfortunate but would be even unfortunate being the only ones not profiting of it, wouldn’t be?"	Jul 26 19:12
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schestowitz	That's a psychopath's way of looking at it	Jul 26 19:13
schestowitz	https://joindiaspora.com/posts/6388756	Jul 26 19:13
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: "ISIS youth" https://www.foreignaffairs.com/articles/2015-07-21/cubs-caliphate like the West doesn't do military-like activities for children... #propaganda starts early.		Jul 26 19:13
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schestowitz	"	Jul 26 19:13
schestowitz	You can tell a totalitarian and brutal state when it targets kids for political or military purposes. Like this:	Jul 26 19:13
schestowitz	https://www.nsa.gov/kids/	Jul 26 19:13
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schestowitz	"	Jul 26 19:13
schestowitz	https://joindiaspora.com/posts/6387805	Jul 26 19:14
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: Libyan war planes attack and sink a ship near BenghaziOp-Ed: Libyan war planes attack and sink a ship near #Benghazi http://www.digitaljournal.com/news/world/op-ed-libyan-war-planes-attack-and-sink-a-ship-near-benghazi/article/438881		Jul 26 19:14
schestowitz	"	Jul 26 19:14
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schestowitz	CIA-linked General Khalifa Haftar	Jul 26 19:15
schestowitz	He’s a U.S. citizen.	Jul 26 19:15
schestowitz	"	Jul 26 19:15
schestowitz	https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Khalifa_Haftar	Jul 26 19:15
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Links 26/7/2015: Purism Librem and Freedom,	Jul 26 19:33
TweetTuxMachines	Akademy Updates http://t.co/B0LrKrbz1j	Jul 26 19:33
TweetTuxMachines	(techrights.org)	Jul 26 19:33
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines IRC Proceedings: July 12th, 2015 – July 25th,	Jul 26 19:33
TweetTuxMachines	2015	Jul 26 19:33
TweetTuxMachines	http://t.co/OIaNqsCQin (techrights.org)	Jul 26 19:33
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Plasma Mobile Media and Blog Coverage	Jul 26 19:38
TweetTuxMachines	http://t.co/QCJryeaBu3 (www.tuxmachines.org)	Jul 26 19:38
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Leftovers: Gaming http://t.co/ll49w5hU3P	Jul 26 19:38
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TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/n9r89	Jul 26 19:38
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Leftovers: Software http://t.co/5FtWdfN4DQ	Jul 26 19:38
TweetTuxMachines	(www.tuxmachines.org)	Jul 26 19:38
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/n9r8b	Jul 26 19:38
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines today's howtos http://t.co/TAAZFp0KJA	Jul 26 19:39
TweetTuxMachines	(www.tuxmachines.org)	Jul 26 19:39
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msb_	http://www.digitaljournal.com/news/world/op-ed-libyan-war-planes-attack-and-sink-a-ship-near-benghazi/article/438881	Jul 26 20:07
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.digitaljournal.com \| Op-Ed: Libyan war planes attack and sink a ship near Benghazi [ http://ur1.ca/n9r0h ]		Jul 26 20:07
msb_	This is the govt that the US installed in Libya after it murdered socialist Gaddafi who had given the people the highest standard of living in Africa. Now the nation is destroyed and the people are living in poverty. Thanks to Barack Obama.	Jul 26 20:09
msb_	The Western press never mentions that event.	Jul 26 20:10
msb_	This was Libya: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aJURNC0e6Ek	Jul 26 20:12
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msb_	Gaddafi proposed selling oil for other currencies than US dollars. That would have messed up the US economy, which by now is based on nothing but debt and fear of its military. So the US had him murdered, and his nation destroyed.	Jul 26 20:28
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TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/n9stv	Jul 26 22:44
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Today in Techrights http://t.co/iStK5yrwEc	Jul 26 22:44
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TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/n9stw	Jul 26 22:44
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Today in Techrights http://t.co/pHOVgMpNHo	Jul 26 22:44
TweetTuxMachines	(www.tuxmachines.org)	Jul 26 22:44
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*Topic for #techrights set by schestowitz!~schestowi@unaffiliated/schestowitz at Sat Jun 9 18:16:19 2012		Jul 27 08:21
schestowitz	> Roy,	Jul 27 08:23
schestowitz	>	Jul 27 08:23
schestowitz	> We've also posted this page:	Jul 27 08:23
schestowitz	> https://puri.sm/road-to-fsf-ryf-endorsement-and-beyond/	Jul 27 08:23
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schestowitz	>	Jul 27 08:23
schestowitz	> Which gives a graphical representation of our road to FSF RYF	Jul 27 08:23
schestowitz	> endorsement. Which before was so strewn about it took some digging to	Jul 27 08:23
schestowitz	> get to it all.	Jul 27 08:23
schestowitz	>	Jul 27 08:23
schestowitz	> Let me know if that is clear to you, and if so, it should suffice.	Jul 27 08:23
schestowitz	>	Jul 27 08:23
schestowitz	> Thanks so much Roy!	Jul 27 08:23
schestowitz	As I predicated, and that's why I forewarned, Phoronix did some negative coverage. There might be more coming (don't know where from), but I think Phoronix based it on libreboot folks.	Jul 27 08:23
schestowitz	https://twitter.com/VisibilityShift/status/625527344841621504	Jul 27 08:25
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@VisibilityShift: @schestowitz #Puri_sm is not just working on it -- we are fully committed to liberating the BIOS. https://t.co/HVmmpCPPdw		Jul 27 08:25
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schestowitz	https://twitter.com/andygmz2000/status/625569194298490881	Jul 27 08:35
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schestowitz	https://twitter.com/andygmz2000/status/625569194298490881	Jul 27 08:35
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Samsung And Red Hat Team Up To Provide	Jul 27 09:28
TweetTuxMachines	Enterprise Software Solutions	Jul 27 09:28
TweetTuxMachines	http://t.co/HWhqHC33u3 (www.tuxmachines.org)	Jul 27 09:28
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/n9xy3	Jul 27 09:28
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org \| Samsung And Red Hat Team Up To Provide Enterprise Software Solutions \| Tux Machines		Jul 27 09:28
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Claws Mail 3.12 Open-Source Email Client Adds	Jul 27 09:28
TweetTuxMachines	Dozens of New Features, Fixes 35 Bugs	Jul 27 09:28
TweetTuxMachines	http://t.co/t3q03y7Fld (www.tuxmachines.org)	Jul 27 09:28
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/n9xy7	Jul 27 09:28
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Ubuntu defibrillates 14.10 for one LAST patch	Jul 27 10:56
TweetTuxMachines	http://t.co/GtitKmIXuh (www.tuxmachines.org)	Jul 27 10:56
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/n9yif	Jul 27 10:56
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org \| Ubuntu defibrillates 14.10 for one LAST patch \| Tux Machines		Jul 27 10:56
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Android Maintains Grip on France's Smartphone	Jul 27 10:56
TweetTuxMachines	Market http://t.co/mlYn20GFTt	Jul 27 10:56
TweetTuxMachines	(www.tuxmachines.org)	Jul 27 10:56
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/n9yij	Jul 27 10:56
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org \| Android Maintains Grip on France's Smartphone Market \| Tux Machines		Jul 27 10:56
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Should You Be Buying an Ubuntu Phone Right Now?	Jul 27 10:56
TweetTuxMachines	http://t.co/a9MEUzqQUz (www.tuxmachines.org)	Jul 27 10:56
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/n9yil	Jul 27 10:56
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Today in Techrights http://t.co/nrqb1UNurP	Jul 27 11:29
TweetTuxMachines	(www.tuxmachines.org)	Jul 27 11:29
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/n9yrq	Jul 27 11:29
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Ubuntu defibrillates 14.10 for one LAST patch	Jul 27 11:29
TweetTuxMachines	http://t.co/94uunxswkY (www.theregister.co.uk)	Jul 27 11:29
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/n9yrr	Jul 27 11:29
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.theregister.co.uk \| Ubuntu defibrillates 14.10 for one LAST patch • The Register		Jul 27 11:29
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines NVIDIA shows some Tegra Note 7 love with	Jul 27 11:29
TweetTuxMachines	Android 5.1 http://t.co/8t0S6TkX36	Jul 27 11:29
TweetTuxMachines	(www.slashgear.com)	Jul 27 11:29
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TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/n9yrs	Jul 27 11:29
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Should You Be Buying an Ubuntu Phone Right Now?	Jul 27 11:33
TweetTuxMachines	http://t.co/MxTQ32qRya (news.softpedia.com)	Jul 27 11:33
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/n9ysp	Jul 27 11:33
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Android Maintains Grip on France's Smartphone	Jul 27 11:33
TweetTuxMachines	Market http://t.co/MxTQ32qRya	Jul 27 11:33
TweetTuxMachines	(news.softpedia.com)	Jul 27 11:33
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/n9ysq	Jul 27 11:33
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Samsung And Red Hat Team Up To Provide	Jul 27 11:33
TweetTuxMachines	Enterprise Software Solutions	Jul 27 11:33
TweetTuxMachines	http://t.co/E9i7FzGojR (www.droidreport.com)	Jul 27 11:33
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/n9ysr	Jul 27 11:33
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Mesa 3D Graphics Library 10.6.3 Fixes Many	Jul 27 11:35
TweetTuxMachines	Issues in the Nouveau Video Driver	Jul 27 11:35
TweetTuxMachines	http://t.co/OrE9JZG2Gp (news.softpedia.com)	Jul 27 11:35
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/n9ytf	Jul 27 11:35
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Debian GNU/Linux No Longer Supports the SPARC	Jul 27 11:35
TweetTuxMachines	Hardware Architecture http://t.co/rbtG4AWAAv	Jul 27 11:35
TweetTuxMachines	(linux.softpedia.com)	Jul 27 11:35
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TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/n9ytg	Jul 27 11:35
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines ExLight Linux Live DVD 64 bit with	Jul 27 11:35
TweetTuxMachines	Enlightenment 0.19.7 and kernel 4.0.0-4-exton	Jul 27 11:35
TweetTuxMachines	https://t.co/wUh69agtRl	Jul 27 11:35
TweetTuxMachines	(extonlinux.wordpress.com)	Jul 27 11:35
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-extonlinux.wordpress.com \| ExLight Linux Live DVD 64 bit with Enlightenment 0.19.7 and kernel 4.0.0-4-exton \| Exton's International Blog		Jul 27 11:35
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/n9yth	Jul 27 11:35
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Manjaro Linux Needs Your Help, Here's How You	Jul 27 11:36
TweetTuxMachines	Can Contribute http://t.co/SXRQa8AkSv	Jul 27 11:36
TweetTuxMachines	(news.softpedia.com)	Jul 27 11:36
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-news.softpedia.com \| Manjaro Linux Needs Your Help, Here's How You Can Contribute - Updated - Softpedia		Jul 27 11:36
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/n9ytq	Jul 27 11:36
*TweetTuxMachines @LukeVizzicks retweeted @tuxmachines: 'Mesa 3D Graphics Library 10.6.3 Fixes Many Issues...'		Jul 27 11:36
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Enlightenment 0.19.7 Desktop Environment	Jul 27 11:45
TweetTuxMachines	Improves X11 Compatibility with Older EFLs	Jul 27 11:45
TweetTuxMachines	http://t.co/NeyQOxophd (linux.softpedia.com)	Jul 27 11:45
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/n9ywf	Jul 27 11:45
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*TweetTuxMachines @schestowitz retweeted @tuxmachines: 'Today in Techrights http://t.co/nrqb1UNurP'		Jul 27 11:45
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org \| Today in Techrights \| Tux Machines		Jul 27 11:45
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines How is Firefox OS Different from Android, iOS,	Jul 27 11:45
TweetTuxMachines	Windows Phone and Ubuntu Touch	Jul 27 11:45
TweetTuxMachines	http://t.co/7RSIZORdoz (fossbytes.com)	Jul 27 11:45
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/n9ywg	Jul 27 11:45
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-fossbytes.com \| How is Firefox OS Different from Android, iOS, Windows Phone and Ubuntu Touch		Jul 27 11:45
schestowitz	I am trying to buy stickers, but "The page you requested cannot be found!" is what I always get when adding to cart	Jul 27 11:52
schestowitz	Linux stickers	Jul 27 11:52
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schestowitz	https://twitter.com/unixstickers/status/625620786544517120	Jul 27 12:05
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@unixstickers: @schestowitz everything is working correctly from our tests and we are unable to reproduce this error, can you please try again?		Jul 27 12:05
schestowitz	I think I can see what the issue is. The site requires JS to work, and runs JS on my PC from SEVEN different domains.	Jul 27 12:06
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schestowitz	https://joindiaspora.com/posts/6389849	Jul 27 12:21
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: "Nintendo discovered it needs users to click "OK" to something..." https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2lupgHYiK9Q #blackmail by bricking consoles until "OK" pressed		Jul 27 12:21
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights--> www.youtube.com \| Richard Stallman - "Freedom in your computer and in the net" (Speech 2014) - YouTube [ http://ur1.ca/n9z6a ]		Jul 27 12:21
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*TweetTuxMachines @tokvbok retweeted @tuxmachines: 'Should You Be Buying an Ubuntu Phone Right...'		Jul 27 12:41
TweetTuxMachines	@maxdan94 OTA: Shell rotation is with us! #UbuntuPhone	Jul 27 12:41
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines @JamalPeter @M_MKTLines @rboese	Jul 27 12:41
TweetTuxMachines	@schestowitz @aman_devy @ajaxdude	Jul 27 12:41
TweetTuxMachines	@TalleyDigital	Jul 27 12:41
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*Topic for #techrights is: TechRights.org \| Channel #techrights for http://TechRights.org :: please also join channels #boycottnovell-social #techbytes and #boycottnovell		Jul 27 17:04
*Topic for #techrights set by schestowitz!~schestowi@unaffiliated/schestowitz at Sat Jun 9 18:16:19 2012		Jul 27 17:04
schestowitz	https://twitter.com/FrancisJeffrey7/status/625696858246094848	Jul 27 17:10
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@FrancisJeffrey7: @schestowitz Further example of fundamental defects cited in-- http://t.co/wJj8aY9evB		Jul 27 17:10
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@cryptostorm_is: This is the single the best summation of 20 years of internet privacy & security progress we've read in... forever: https://t.co/65NfYSCaL6		Jul 27 17:10
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines AMD issues new Linux drivers	Jul 27 17:14
TweetTuxMachines	http://t.co/qPjGmtJFev (www.fudzilla.com)	Jul 27 17:14
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.fudzilla.com \| AMD issues new Linux drivers		Jul 27 17:14
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Victor Vran Action RPG Is Now Available on	Jul 27 17:14
TweetTuxMachines	Steam for Linux	Jul 27 17:14
TweetTuxMachines	http://t.co/Gdhw470s1d (linux.softpedia.com)	Jul 27 17:14
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/na19j	Jul 27 17:14
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Meizu MX4 Ubuntu Edition Review - A Diamond in	Jul 27 17:14
TweetTuxMachines	the Rough http://t.co/ypx30SUfOk	Jul 27 17:14
TweetTuxMachines	(news.softpedia.com)	Jul 27 17:14
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-news.softpedia.com \| Meizu MX4 Ubuntu Edition Review - A Diamond in the Rough - Softpedia		Jul 27 17:14
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schestowitz	https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Niccol%C3%B2_Machiavelli	Jul 27 17:43
schestowitz	""Machiavellianism" is a widely-used negative term to characterize unscrupulous politicians of the sort Machiavelli described in The Prince. The book itself gained enormous notoriety and wide readership because most readers assumed the author was teaching and endorsing evil and immoral behavior. Because of this, the term "Machiavellian" is often associated with deceit, deviousness, ambition, and brutality, although Machiavelli likely only	Jul 27 17:43
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-en.wikipedia.org \| Niccolò Machiavelli - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia [ http://ur1.ca/na1iw ]		Jul 27 17:43
schestowitz	used it as stylistic device to gain the reader's attention for his close analysis of the actual techniques used by rulers."	Jul 27 17:43
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cubexyz	I'll just use the word "Microsoftian" instead	Jul 27 17:50
cubexyz	"Please select which program you use for office documents: A] Microsoft Office 2000 B] Microsoft Office 97 C] Microsoft Office Pro D] Microsoft ... E] Microsoft ... F] Microsoft ... G] Microsoft ..."	Jul 27 17:52
cubexyz	a 'Microsoftian' Choice	Jul 27 17:52
MinceR	:>	Jul 27 17:53
MinceR	what about 'microsoftesque'?	Jul 27 17:53
cubexyz	yes, that word has been used before	Jul 27 17:54
cubexyz	I've had younge people tell me that they use microsoft everything so it's all compatible, e.g. microsoft mouse, microsoft keyboard etc	Jul 27 17:56
cubexyz	although I do think things are improving slowly	Jul 27 18:00
cubexyz	it was over 10 years ago when I heard talk like that	Jul 27 18:00
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Meizu MX4 Ubuntu Edition Gets Big Improvement	Jul 27 18:42
TweetTuxMachines	for Battery http://t.co/xdrWmOIowr	Jul 27 18:42
TweetTuxMachines	(news.softpedia.com)	Jul 27 18:42
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-news.softpedia.com \| Meizu MX4 Ubuntu Edition Gets Big Improvement for Battery - Softpedia		Jul 27 18:42
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/na1yc	Jul 27 18:42
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Manjaro Linux 0.8.13 Update with All the Latest	Jul 27 18:42
TweetTuxMachines	Linux Kernels http://t.co/pGxIk937Bi	Jul 27 18:42
TweetTuxMachines	(www.tuxmachines.org)	Jul 27 18:42
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org \| Manjaro Linux 0.8.13 Update with All the Latest Linux Kernels \| Tux Machines		Jul 27 18:42
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/na1yd	Jul 27 18:42
schestowitz	https://joindiaspora.com/posts/6390734	Jul 27 18:46
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: Today I heard from a #techrights reader (and Windows developer) who said he'd abandon #windows for #gnu #linux because of #vista10		Jul 27 18:46
schestowitz	"	Jul 27 18:46
schestowitz	Would have been better to abandon Windows for GNU//Linux because of freedom, but he still made a good move.	Jul 27 18:46
schestowitz	Also,Windows 8 was really bad. Why not leave Windows due to that?	Jul 27 18:46
schestowitz	"	Jul 27 18:46
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Next-gen Android One phone launches in India	Jul 27 19:09
TweetTuxMachines	for $176 http://t.co/u1TkjTNENV	Jul 27 19:09
TweetTuxMachines	(www.tuxmachines.org)	Jul 27 19:09
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/na25y	Jul 27 19:09
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org \| Next-gen Android One phone launches in India for $176 \| Tux Machines		Jul 27 19:09
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines LG's got a flip phone that runs Android	Jul 27 19:09
TweetTuxMachines	Lollipop http://t.co/UifrOGZMZ1	Jul 27 19:09
TweetTuxMachines	(www.tuxmachines.org)	Jul 27 19:09
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org \| LG's got a flip phone that runs Android Lollipop \| Tux Machines		Jul 27 19:09
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/na25z	Jul 27 19:09
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines UK health service nurtures open source	Jul 27 19:10
TweetTuxMachines	communities http://t.co/pcMC6ur0Ln	Jul 27 19:10
TweetTuxMachines	(www.tuxmachines.org)	Jul 27 19:10
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org \| UK health service nurtures open source communities \| Tux Machines		Jul 27 19:10
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/na260	Jul 27 19:10
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines The Companies That Support Linux: MariaDB	Jul 27 19:10
TweetTuxMachines	http://t.co/B1JOvNLAwT (www.tuxmachines.org)	Jul 27 19:10
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/na262	Jul 27 19:10
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org \| The Companies That Support Linux: MariaDB \| Tux Machines		Jul 27 19:10
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines FreeBSD Making Progress With Their Linux Binary	Jul 27 23:04
TweetTuxMachines	Emulation & More http://t.co/xHXCPYJvbV	Jul 27 23:04
TweetTuxMachines	(www.tuxmachines.org)	Jul 27 23:04
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/na3sj	Jul 27 23:04
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org \| FreeBSD Making Progress With Their Linux Binary Emulation & More \| Tux Machines		Jul 27 23:04
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Exton\|OS Light Distro Brings Linux Kernel 4.0	Jul 27 23:04
TweetTuxMachines	and Openbox to Ubuntu 15.04	Jul 27 23:04
TweetTuxMachines	http://t.co/g54wtFVd6o (www.tuxmachines.org)	Jul 27 23:04
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/na3sk	Jul 27 23:04
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org \| Exton\|OS Light Distro Brings Linux Kernel 4.0 and Openbox to Ubuntu 15.04 \| Tux Machines		Jul 27 23:04
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schestowitz	https://joindiaspora.com/posts/6393245	Jul 27 23:05
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: #microsoft knew that Vista "was a pig" was was afraid of releasing it to the public while lying to the public http://betanews.com/2008/11/21/hurd-s-the-word-in-ballmer-s-e-mail-nightmares/		Jul 27 23:05
schestowitz	"	Jul 27 23:05
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights--> betanews.com \| Hurd's the word in Ballmer's e-mail nightmares [ http://ur1.ca/na3t7 ]		Jul 27 23:05
schestowitz	I like this comment, another case of people getting what deserved:	Jul 27 23:06
schestowitz	“but you have to remember that, at least some, users’ decision to get vista was as technical as “it looks pretty”. Many people equate the interface and the overall look of an OS to it being better.”	Jul 27 23:06
schestowitz	Haha!	Jul 27 23:06
schestowitz	"	Jul 27 23:06
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MinceR	http://www.breitbart.com/big-hollywood/2015/07/20/enough-entire-entertainment-industry-says-no-more-to-social-justice-warriors/	Jul 28 01:02
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.breitbart.com \| Entertainment Industry Says 'No More' to Social Justice Warriors [ http://ur1.ca/na4kh ]		Jul 28 01:02
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Mr. Robot TV Show Now Uses BackTrack Linux's	Jul 28 01:42
TweetTuxMachines	Successor, Kali Linux for Hacking	Jul 28 01:42
TweetTuxMachines	http://t.co/Q6rST8aISm (www.tuxmachines.org)	Jul 28 01:42
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/na4to	Jul 28 01:42
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org \| Mr. Robot TV Show Now Uses BackTrack Linux's Successor, Kali Linux for Hacking \| Tux Machines		Jul 28 01:42
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Major update in cauldron http://t.co/Upk5zsJgjx	Jul 28 01:42
TweetTuxMachines	(mageia.nicolaslecureuil.fr)	Jul 28 01:42
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-mageia.nicolaslecureuil.fr \| Major update in cauldron \| from a kde POV		Jul 28 01:42
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/na4tq	Jul 28 01:42
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*Topic for #techrights is: TechRights.org \| Channel #techrights for http://TechRights.org :: please also join channels #boycottnovell-social #techbytes and #boycottnovell		Jul 28 08:37
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines 3.5-inch SBC runs Yocto on Braswell and 6 Watts	Jul 28 10:36
TweetTuxMachines	http://t.co/gT8X20J5KT (linuxgizmos.com)	Jul 28 10:37
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-linuxgizmos.com \| 3.5-inch SBC runs Yocto on Braswell and 6 Watts · LinuxGizmos.com		Jul 28 10:37
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/na86y	Jul 28 10:37
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Following Debian's GNU/Hurd in 2015	Jul 28 10:37
TweetTuxMachines	http://t.co/pIVcUDD7lZ (distrowatch.com)	Jul 28 10:37
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/na870	Jul 28 10:37
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-distrowatch.com \| DistroWatch.com: Put the fun back into computing. Use Linux, BSD.		Jul 28 10:37
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines ARNU Box Announces the First Pure Linux Kodi	Jul 28 10:37
TweetTuxMachines	15.0 "Isengard" Powered Set-Top Boxes	Jul 28 10:37
TweetTuxMachines	http://t.co/pjOEiAyrDQ (news.softpedia.com)	Jul 28 10:37
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/na871	Jul 28 10:37
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-news.softpedia.com \| ARNU Box Announces the First Pure Linux Kodi 15.0 "Isengard" Powered Set-Top Boxes - Softpedia		Jul 28 10:37
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines BackBox 4.3 review: Not just for penetration	Jul 28 10:41
TweetTuxMachines	tests and security assessments	Jul 28 10:41
TweetTuxMachines	http://t.co/GPxjfts8iB (linuxbsdos.com)	Jul 28 10:41
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/na889	Jul 28 10:41
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-linuxbsdos.com \| BackBox 4.3 review: Not just for penetration tests and security assessments \| LinuxBSDos.com		Jul 28 10:41
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines OnePlus 2: A Big Android Phone for Relatively	Jul 28 10:41
TweetTuxMachines	Little Money http://t.co/fHIp7SAfsJ	Jul 28 10:41
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-blogs.wsj.com \| OnePlus 2: A Big Android Phone for Relatively Little Money - Personal Tech News - WSJ		Jul 28 10:41
TweetTuxMachines	(blogs.wsj.com)	Jul 28 10:41
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/na88a	Jul 28 10:41
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines After Firefox, LibreOffice Has Been Hacked to	Jul 28 10:41
TweetTuxMachines	Work on Wayland - Video http://t.co/pXRGP16Wqn	Jul 28 10:41
TweetTuxMachines	(linux.softpedia.com)	Jul 28 10:41
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-linux.softpedia.com \| After Firefox, LibreOffice Has Been Hacked to Work on Wayland - Video - Softpedia		Jul 28 10:41
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Fedora's Package Growth Rate Has Begun To Stall	Jul 28 10:58
TweetTuxMachines	http://t.co/xTGkKwfRa8 (www.phoronix.com)	Jul 28 10:58
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/na8cd	Jul 28 10:58
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.phoronix.com \| Fedora's Package Growth Rate Has Begun To Stall - Phoronix		Jul 28 10:58
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Canonical Apologizes for Telephony Regression	Jul 28 10:58
TweetTuxMachines	in Ubuntu Touch for Nexus 4, Fix Released	Jul 28 10:58
TweetTuxMachines	http://t.co/jRkjL8y7pW (news.softpedia.com)	Jul 28 10:58
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/na8ce	Jul 28 10:58
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-news.softpedia.com \| Canonical Apologizes for Telephony Regression in Ubuntu Touch for Nexus 4, Fix Released - Softpedia		Jul 28 10:58
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Canonical Apologizes for Telephony Regression	Jul 28 10:59
TweetTuxMachines	in Ubuntu Touch for Nexus 4, Fix Released	Jul 28 10:59
TweetTuxMachines	http://t.co/DEL4IUv6hm (www.tuxmachines.org)	Jul 28 10:59
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/na8cg	Jul 28 10:59
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org \| Canonical Apologizes for Telephony Regression in Ubuntu Touch for Nexus 4, Fix Released \| Tux Machines		Jul 28 10:59
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines BackBox 4.3 review: Not just for penetration	Jul 28 10:59
TweetTuxMachines	tests and security assessments	Jul 28 10:59
TweetTuxMachines	http://t.co/Y1Ov2XR98P (www.tuxmachines.org)	Jul 28 10:59
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/na8cj	Jul 28 10:59
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org \| BackBox 4.3 review: Not just for penetration tests and security assessments \| Tux Machines		Jul 28 10:59
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Following Debian's GNU/Hurd in 2015	Jul 28 10:59
TweetTuxMachines	http://t.co/dzkuCIsxbN (www.tuxmachines.org)	Jul 28 10:59
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/na8cn	Jul 28 10:59
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org \| Following Debian's GNU/Hurd in 2015 \| Tux Machines		Jul 28 11:00
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Open source software is the only way to keep up	Jul 28 11:00
TweetTuxMachines	http://t.co/laA4RdpTrV (www.tuxmachines.org)	Jul 28 11:00
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/na8cs	Jul 28 11:00
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org \| Open source software is the only way to keep up \| Tux Machines		Jul 28 11:00
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines LibreOffice 5.0 to Bring Better Support for	Jul 28 11:58
TweetTuxMachines	Special Scientific Formats	Jul 28 11:58
TweetTuxMachines	http://t.co/VJU6I2FeOy (www.tuxmachines.org)	Jul 28 11:58
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/na8ql	Jul 28 11:58
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org \| LibreOffice 5.0 to Bring Better Support for Special Scientific Formats \| Tux Machines		Jul 28 11:58
*TweetTuxMachines @RamiSilawi retweeted @tuxmachines: 'LibreOffice 5.0 to Bring Better Support for Special...'		Jul 28 11:58
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Links 28/7/2015: Linux 4.2 RC4, New Logos and	Jul 28 12:14
TweetTuxMachines	Bug 'Branding' for FUD http://t.co/aHN69cLepu	Jul 28 12:14
TweetTuxMachines	(techrights.org)	Jul 28 12:14
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/na8ul	Jul 28 12:14
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines "The MakerWare I run on Ubuntu works well."	Jul 28 12:14
TweetTuxMachines	https://t.co/DM5iwkZc9e (outflux.net)	Jul 28 12:14
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/na8un	Jul 28 12:14
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Android Auto secrets hint at vehicle diagnostic	Jul 28 12:14
TweetTuxMachines	app, expanded car integration	Jul 28 12:14
TweetTuxMachines	http://t.co/K6rzaA3cIk (arstechnica.com)	Jul 28 12:14
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/na8uo	Jul 28 12:14
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org \| Links 28/7/2015: Linux 4.2 RC4, New Logos and Bug ‘Branding’ for FUD \| Techrights		Jul 28 12:14
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-outflux.net \| 3D printing Poe « codeblog		Jul 28 12:14
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-arstechnica.com \| Android Auto secrets hint at vehicle diagnostic app, expanded car integration \| Ars Technica		Jul 28 12:14
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Lava Pixel V1 to launch as the second-gen	Jul 28 12:25
TweetTuxMachines	Android One smartphone	Jul 28 12:25
TweetTuxMachines	http://t.co/LUxtqxVgJi (www.gsmarena.com)	Jul 28 12:25
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/na8xz	Jul 28 12:25
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.gsmarena.com \| Lava Pixel V1 to launch as the second-gen Android One smartphone - GSMArena.com news		Jul 28 12:25
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines What to expect from the OnePlus 2, the most	Jul 28 12:25
TweetTuxMachines	hyped Android phone of the year	Jul 28 12:25
TweetTuxMachines	http://t.co/Yjfc7aughl (mashable.com)	Jul 28 12:25
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-mashable.com \| What to expect from the OnePlus 2, the most hyped Android phone of the year		Jul 28 12:25
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/na8y0	Jul 28 12:25
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Red Hat News http://t.co/uAwCmUKOsY	Jul 28 12:25
TweetTuxMachines	(www.tuxmachines.org)	Jul 28 12:25
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/na8y1	Jul 28 12:25
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org \| Red Hat News \| Tux Machines		Jul 28 12:25
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Leftovers: Gaming http://t.co/MDSyy9JOSG	Jul 28 12:27
TweetTuxMachines	(www.tuxmachines.org)	Jul 28 12:27
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/na8yg	Jul 28 12:27
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org \| Leftovers: Gaming \| Tux Machines		Jul 28 12:27
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines today's howtos http://t.co/8BrV7HgFua	Jul 28 12:27
TweetTuxMachines	(www.tuxmachines.org)	Jul 28 12:27
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/na8yh	Jul 28 12:27
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org \| today's howtos \| Tux Machines		Jul 28 12:27
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Leftovers: Software http://t.co/OwU6pNIx6B	Jul 28 12:27
TweetTuxMachines	(www.tuxmachines.org)	Jul 28 12:27
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/na8yi	Jul 28 12:27
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org \| Leftovers: Software \| Tux Machines		Jul 28 12:27
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines today's leftovers http://t.co/EQQslPP0ne	Jul 28 12:27
TweetTuxMachines	(www.tuxmachines.org)	Jul 28 12:27
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org \| today's leftovers \| Tux Machines		Jul 28 12:27
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/na8yk	Jul 28 12:27
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oiaohm	http://www.zdnet.com/article/want-to-remove-the-ads-from-solitaire-in-windows-10-thatll-be-1-49-a-month/	Jul 28 12:33
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.zdnet.com \| Want to remove the ads from Solitaire in Windows 10? That'll be $1.49 a month \| ZDNet [ http://ur1.ca/na8zt ]		Jul 28 12:33
oiaohm	O my I new Microsoft would have to come up with something.	Jul 28 12:33
oiaohm	boy is the media nuts about the recent andriod phone issue. Its in fact in a turnable off part of android. Ok horiblely had part to turn off requiring adb shell but it does have a off switch.	Jul 28 12:46
cubexyz	doesn't windows have ads built-in now?	Jul 28 12:49
cubexyz	I haven't used windows in quite some time so my info is out of date	Jul 28 12:50
oiaohm	Not normally in default applications of the OS.	Jul 28 12:51
oiaohm	Trail ware yes.	Jul 28 12:51
cubexyz	WGA, activation, forced patches, and ads in solitaire	Jul 28 12:52
cubexyz	people will be reminiscing about the good ol' days of win2k	Jul 28 12:54
oiaohm	You missed sign in with microsoft accounts.	Jul 28 12:54
cubexyz	and by "good ol' days" I mean less shitty	Jul 28 12:54
oiaohm	So Microsoft tracks when you use your computer.	Jul 28 12:54
cubexyz	what, like MSN?	Jul 28 12:55
cubexyz	never used that	Jul 28 12:55
oiaohm	cubexyz: outlook.com	Jul 28 12:56
oiaohm	Default setup windows 8.x and 10 instead of creating a local account it asks you to use existing or create a new account with outlook.com	Jul 28 12:56
oiaohm	cubexyz: yes password is then changable by Microsoft server as well.	Jul 28 12:59
cubexyz	oiaohm, I know the source code for win2k solitaire was leaked	Jul 28 13:05
cubexyz	of course, best to avoid windows altogether	Jul 28 13:06
cubexyz	reversi as well	Jul 28 13:07
cubexyz	the tendency for microsoft these days is to remove stuff	Jul 28 13:13
cubexyz	kind of like SCO Xenix... you want a compiler it's $$$ extra, you want tcp/ip, it's extra, etc	Jul 28 13:14
oiaohm	Really microsoft use to sell their complier as well.	Jul 28 13:16
cubexyz	they don't any more?	Jul 28 13:18
oiaohm	The sdks with compliers for Windows has been free for years.	Jul 28 13:19
oiaohm	Ok crap from standards point of view but free.	Jul 28 13:19
cubexyz	can you recall which compiler they used to build windows 2000?	Jul 28 13:21
oiaohm	cubexyz: the complier in the driver development kit for Windows 2000	Jul 28 13:26
oiaohm	https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Windows_Driver_Kit	Jul 28 13:27
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-en.wikipedia.org \| Windows Driver Kit - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia [ http://ur1.ca/na9ex ]		Jul 28 13:27
cubexyz	I think that has vanished	Jul 28 13:32
cubexyz	but maybe someone archived it	Jul 28 13:32
cubexyz	I got vc6	Jul 28 13:35
cubexyz	probably good enough to compile some chunks	Jul 28 13:35
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oiaohm	cubexyz: no vc6 is different to the OS builder.	Jul 28 13:52
oiaohm	cubexyz: reactos does have a sdk based on mingw that is fairly able.	Jul 28 13:52
cubexyz	vc6 didn't seem to like wine too much	Jul 28 13:52
oiaohm	vc6 complier is from the psdk	Jul 28 13:53
oiaohm	Yes Microsoft has been making 2 compliers.	Jul 28 13:53
oiaohm	one for building userspace stuff and one for building kernel stuff.	Jul 28 13:53
oiaohm	Never in the middle should meet.	Jul 28 13:53
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Razer confirms Ouya purchase in bid to take	Jul 28 13:55
TweetTuxMachines	over Android TV gaming http://t.co/X7PyVEnqgx	Jul 28 13:55
TweetTuxMachines	(www.theverge.com)	Jul 28 13:55
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.theverge.com \| Razer confirms Ouya purchase in bid to take over Android TV gaming \| The Verge		Jul 28 13:55
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/na9ly	Jul 28 13:55
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Razer hopes Ouya acquistion will fuel an	Jul 28 13:55
TweetTuxMachines	Android-powered revolution	Jul 28 13:55
TweetTuxMachines	http://t.co/TXAOQ8GKjl (www.polygon.com)	Jul 28 13:55
TweetTuxMachines	http://t.co/X7PyVEnqgx (www.theverge.com)	Jul 28 13:55
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.polygon.com \| Razer hopes Ouya acquistion will fuel an Android-powered revolution \| Polygon		Jul 28 13:55
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/na9m0	Jul 28 13:55
cubexyz	hey oiaohm	Jul 28 14:02
cubexyz	http://www.maxhost.org/other/secret-stuff-do-not-look.png	Jul 28 14:02
cubexyz	the microsoft version of solitaire wasn't that great	Jul 28 14:04
oiaohm	cubexyz: that is why it so supid.	Jul 28 14:04
oiaohm	stupid	Jul 28 14:04
oiaohm	Charging money for something you did release the source code to.	Jul 28 14:05
cubexyz	they actually released the source code?	Jul 28 14:05
cubexyz	it got leaked	Jul 28 14:06
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cubexyz	as far as I know	Jul 28 14:08
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Links 28/7/2015: Linux 4.2 RC4, New Logos and	Jul 28 14:16
TweetTuxMachines	retweeted by Bug 'Branding' for FUD http://t.co/aHN69cLepu	Jul 28 14:16
TweetTuxMachines	@schestowitz (techrights.org)	Jul 28 14:16
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/na9w1	Jul 28 14:16
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines New home storage box with Fedora and ARM	Jul 28 14:16
TweetTuxMachines	http://t.co/VzIV6tVYnp (kushaldas.in)	Jul 28 14:16
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines The Raven - Legacy Of A Master Thief Now	Jul 28 14:29
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TweetTuxMachines	Akademy Award!" http://t.co/BwGy5QiAdr	Jul 28 14:36
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TweetTuxMachines	user, that made me really happy"	Jul 28 14:36
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Open source runs Croatia’s geospatial services	Jul 28 14:36
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Standardisation process should be open, study	Jul 28 14:40
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MinceR	to msb_, the world is black and white, and the Holy Trinity of putin, kim jong-un and xi jinping will save us all in a Holy Global Dictatorship	Jul 28 19:26
msb_	MinceR: Please stop lying about me and making false claims about what I think.	Jul 28 19:27
MinceR	msb_: please stop supporting causes and people you know jack shit about.	Jul 28 19:29
msb_	MinceR: What "causes and people" are you claiming that I support? Please give actual quotes from what I have written.	Jul 28 19:30
MinceR	like putin and his little adventure in ukraine and the baltic states	Jul 28 19:30
MinceR	and the chemtrail bullshit	Jul 28 19:31
msb_	MinceR: Every alternative news source says that the US backed a Nazi regime in Ukraine. For example: http://www.globalresearch.ca/the-u-s-has-installed-a-neo-nazi-government-in-ukraine/5371554	Jul 28 19:33
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.globalresearch.ca \| The U.S. has Installed a Neo-Nazi Government in Ukraine \| Global Research - Centre for Research on Globalization [ http://ur1.ca/ji3em ]		Jul 28 19:33
msb_	MinceR: What are you referring to regarding the Baltic states?	Jul 28 19:34
MinceR	that russia communicated that they're investigating the legality of the secession of Estonia, Latvia and Lithuania from the USSR	Jul 28 19:35
MinceR	which means he wants to annex them as well	Jul 28 19:36
MinceR	and i suspect he also wants Poland	Jul 28 19:36
msb_	MinceR: This site contains lots of good evidence for chemtrails aka geoengineering: http://www.geoengineeringwatch.org/	Jul 28 19:36
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.geoengineeringwatch.org \| Geoengineering Watch \| Exposing the climate engineering/geoengineering cover-up		Jul 28 19:36
MinceR	your "alternative news sources" are repeaters of putin's propaganda, and you defined them by that act	Jul 28 19:36
msb_	MinceR: Here is a recent talk by the same investigator: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zXkVGxLmlAA	Jul 28 19:37
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.youtube.com \| Geoengineering Exposed At California Jam 2015 - YouTube [ http://ur1.ca/n9toj ]		Jul 28 19:37
MinceR	but i guess the West can just keep appeasing putler by giving him further areas, that worked so well with hitler!	Jul 28 19:37
MinceR	it certainly did not lead to the second world war	Jul 28 19:37
msb_	MinceR: I have never heard of what you wrote about Estonia, Latvia Lithuania and Poland, and certainly have never written about it.	Jul 28 19:39
MinceR	of course, your "alternative news sources" would never mention it	Jul 28 19:40
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msb_	MinceR: Here are five alternative news sources that I recommend, that have no connection whatsoever with Russia or Putin. Since they all disagree with you, MinceR, it's obvious that your claims, and your obsession with Putin, need rethinking.	Jul 28 19:57
msb_	Global Research http://www.globalresearch.ca/	Jul 28 19:57
msb_	Op-Ed News http://www.opednews.com/	Jul 28 19:57
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.globalresearch.ca \| Global Research - Centre for Research on Globalization		Jul 28 19:57
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.opednews.com \| Opednews.com Progressive, Liberal United States and International News, Opinion, Op-Eds and Politics		Jul 28 19:57
msb_	Truth-Out http://www.truth-out.org/	Jul 28 19:57
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.truth-out.org \| Truthout \| Fearless, Independent News and Opinion		Jul 28 19:57
msb_	Free Critical Thinking http://freecriticalthinking.org/	Jul 28 19:57
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-freecriticalthinking.org \| Home		Jul 28 19:57
msb_	Paul Craig Roberts http://www.paulcraigroberts.org/	Jul 28 19:57
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.paulcraigroberts.org \| Paul Craig Roberts - Official Homepage		Jul 28 19:57
msb_	MinceR: BTW, what motivated your attack on me today?	Jul 28 19:58
MinceR	your response to a link i pasted in which you basically ignored the contents of the article.	Jul 28 19:59
msb_	MinceR: Here are two more excellent non-Russian alternative news sites that disagree with you:	Jul 28 20:03
msb_	Common Dreams http://www.commondreams.org/	Jul 28 20:03
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.commondreams.org \| Common Dreams \| Breaking News & Views for the Progressive Community		Jul 28 20:03
msb_	TomDispatch http://www.tomdispatch.com/	Jul 28 20:03
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tomdispatch.com \| TomDispatch		Jul 28 20:03
MinceR	how often do these "news sites" repeat the garbage that comes out of RT?	Jul 28 20:03
MinceR	apparently global"research".ca does	Jul 28 20:04
MinceR	North Korea, a Land of Human Achievement, Love and Joy	Jul 28 20:04
MinceR	—Everything you need to know about Globalresearch in a nutshell	Jul 28 20:04
msb_	MinceR: Are you talking about your link to a fascist website, breitbart, that attacked people who criticize video games and movies for constantly showing rapes and murders of women?	Jul 28 20:05
MinceR	yes, i'm talking about a link to an article you did not read	Jul 28 20:05
MinceR	http://www.cnx-software.com/2015/07/27/new-fcc-rules-may-prevent-installing-openwrt-on-wifi-routers/	Jul 28 20:06
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.cnx-software.com \| New FCC Rules May Prevent Installing OpenWRT on WiFi Routers [ http://ur1.ca/nachk ]		Jul 28 20:06
msb_	MinceR: If that's the article you're talking about, I did read it.	Jul 28 20:06
MinceR	good thing north korea isn't "fascist", right?	Jul 28 20:08
msb_	MinceR: Are you claiming that I have written something positive about North Korea? (I may have mentioned that the US govt murdered 30% of its population in the Korean War.)	Jul 28 20:10
msb_	MinceR: But I gave information about breitbart and SJWs that that fascist website omitted.	Jul 28 20:12
MinceR	you're obviously infatuated with marxist ideology, which north korea applies to the fullest extent	Jul 28 20:13
MinceR	it's also probably the worst dictatorship on the planet, and you obviously love dictatorships	Jul 28 20:13
msb_	MinceR: You are lying about me again. I have said that I favor entirely democratic socialism, NOT a dictatorship by a central communist party. And NOT -- you are lying again MinceR -- dictatorships of any kind.	Jul 28 20:14
MinceR	and yet the countries, regimes and dictators you keep raving about are about as far from democratic as possible	Jul 28 20:15
MinceR	i wouldn't worry if i were you though	Jul 28 20:16
MinceR	the way things are going, it won't be long until the entire earth is covered in regimes like north korea	Jul 28 20:16
MinceR	including the usa	Jul 28 20:16
MinceR	humans apparently hate their freedom and will do anything to get rid of it	Jul 28 20:16
msb_	MinceR: What "countries, regimes and dictators" do you claim I am "raving about"? Please give ACTUAL QUOTES from what I have written, NOT your imaginings.	Jul 28 20:16
MinceR	russia, north korea, venezuela	Jul 28 20:17
MinceR	and no, i'm not going to waste my time on searching my logs from the garbage you posted	Jul 28 20:17
MinceR	s/from/for/	Jul 28 20:17
msb_	MinceR: In other words, you refuse to give any evidence to support your lies about me.	Jul 28 20:18
msb_	MinceR: You are wrong about humans and freedom. Humans want to have food to eat and a place to live; those are our highest priorities. But we also desire freedom, unless we have been lied to so much, e.g., by the US govt, that we support operations that are taking away our freedom.	Jul 28 20:21
MinceR	humans would want that, if they were rational at all	Jul 28 20:21
MinceR	yet here we are, in systems that are (or were) democratic enough to show the preferences of the citizens	Jul 28 20:21
MinceR	with pretty strong evidence that they wanted to lose their freedom and prosperity	Jul 28 20:22
MinceR	and here we have you, advertising the rebuild of imperial russia and the (repeated) destruction of the eastern bloc	Jul 28 20:22
MinceR	(granted, you seem to be easily misled by the symbols people and groups use to refer to themselves)	Jul 28 20:23
MinceR	(like the mostly false distinction between state socialism and fascism/national socialism)	Jul 28 20:23
msb_	MinceR: The US govt has created several Islamic terror organizations, perpetrated the 911 attacks, and by setting up a Nazi govt in Ukraine has motivated Russia to annex the eastern edge of Ukraine at the request of its citizens. The US govt has done all this to frighten its own population into accepting the govt's attacks on other nations, which have murdered millions.	Jul 28 20:26
MinceR	...which makes putin a saint, how?	Jul 28 20:26
balrog	msb_: can you stop pushing your propaganda here?	Jul 28 20:26
balrog	first of all, that's extremely offensive; second, it doesn't belong in #TECHrights	Jul 28 20:27
MinceR	the government of the USA does horrible things, but this doesn't make them worse than russia or north korea.	Jul 28 20:27
MinceR	also, what balrog said.	Jul 28 20:27
msb_	balrog: I am answering attacks on me by MinceR, which came out of the blue. Perhaps you would ask him to stop posting attacks on me?	Jul 28 20:27
MinceR	yeah, it started when he kicked back!	Jul 28 20:28
msb_	balrog: And why don't you object to MinceR posting political material here?	Jul 28 20:28
balrog	well, I do keep these things called exhaustive logs	Jul 28 20:28
msb_	Yes, so do I.	Jul 28 20:28
MinceR	also, the world was created last thursday, and there's no history before then, obviously	Jul 28 20:28
msb_	balrog: What do logs have to do with this?	Jul 28 20:29
MinceR	and if msb_ could have been bothered to read the article he commented on, he would have noticed that it touches largely on the matter of video games	Jul 28 20:29
balrog	I did see MinceR's link to Breitbart about "SJWs" (which msb_'s response was fairly accurate to)	Jul 28 20:29
MinceR	which is pretty tech	Jul 28 20:29
balrog	(sorry MinceR I've been following this for a while)	Jul 28 20:29
msb_	balrog: And why don't you object to MinceR pushing HIS propaganda here. Is it because you agree with him?	Jul 28 20:29
balrog	but then it degenerated	Jul 28 20:30
balrog	due to both of you	Jul 28 20:30
MinceR	as for the sjw issue, it seems to me that most people on both sides haven't researched the original claim the whole issue was about	Jul 28 20:31
MinceR	and just picked up a label and started attacking the other team	Jul 28 20:31
balrog	MinceR: have you???	Jul 28 20:31
MinceR	which probably does more harm than good	Jul 28 20:31
balrog	msb_: at this point, the initial argument is a moot point.	Jul 28 20:31
MinceR	balrog: i've looked into it	Jul 28 20:31
balrog	what was the "original claim the whole issue was about"?	Jul 28 20:31
MinceR	balrog: i decided that there are suspicious arguments on both sides and i can't really verify either	Jul 28 20:31
MinceR	iirc it was that thing about that journalist allegedly providing positive reviews about a game in exchange for sex	Jul 28 20:32
msb_	balrog: This is the original attack post by MinceR that started this discussion: "<MinceR> to msb_, the world is black and white, and the Holy Trinity of putin, kim jong-un and xi jinping will save us all in a Holy Global Dictatorship"	Jul 28 20:32
MinceR	yeah, there was no history before then	Jul 28 20:33
msb_	balrog: Note that MinceR's attack has nothing to do with breitbart and SJWs. He seems to be obsessed with me, and anything I write sets him off.	Jul 28 20:34
MinceR	i noticed an underlying theme	Jul 28 20:34
balrog	I see plenty of anti-US stuff from you yesterday	Jul 28 20:35
balrog	as well as ##conspiracy stuff	Jul 28 20:35
msb_	balrog: If you are talking about me, please give some quotes so I can search for what you are referring to.	Jul 28 20:39
balrog	two days ago: "There is a flap going on on some of my mailing lists about a (relatively) new cure for cancer and autism, banned by the US govt, and doctors who used it being killed!"	Jul 28 20:39
balrog	that tells me more about your mailing lists than what actually is happening	Jul 28 20:40
balrog	;-)	Jul 28 20:40
MinceR	:>	Jul 28 20:40
balrog	err three days ago	Jul 28 20:40
msb_	Did you look at the reference(s) I gave?	Jul 28 20:40
MinceR	stuff that cures everything should be suspect from the get go	Jul 28 20:41
balrog	when the reference you gave has a headline saying "2 MIN NEWS TO ABOLISH THE CORPORATE GOVERNMENT "Because every dark cloud has a silver IODIDE lining", BECA– USE THERE IS A WAR ON FOR YOUR MIND,Your Mind is Your Weapon" ...	Jul 28 20:41
balrog	....lol	Jul 28 20:41
MinceR	lol	Jul 28 20:41
abeNd-org	awww, that cure-all developed by the n.koreans isnt real?	Jul 28 20:41
balrog	sorry but not sorry	Jul 28 20:41
MinceR	it isn't unless it's death	Jul 28 20:41
MinceR	technically most afflictions end with death	Jul 28 20:42
msb_	balrog: The "dark cloud" quote you are giving from a site that you say I linked to, is _metaphor_. Do you object to that?	Jul 28 20:43
balrog	I object to relying on a site full of that kind of crap	Jul 28 20:44
msb_	Here is a recent and very detailed article about the cancer cure. Note that it works by activating the immune system (specifically macrophages), so it's reasonable that it may help in many different kinds of disease.	Jul 28 20:45
msb_	http://www.naturalnews.com/050553_Dr_Bradstreet_GcMAF_cancer_therapy.html	Jul 28 20:45
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.naturalnews.com \| INVESTIGATION: Three days before Dr. Bradstreet was found dead in a river, U.S. govt. agents raided his research facility to seize a breakthrough cancer treatment called GcMAF - NaturalNews.com [ http://ur1.ca/nacu4 ]		Jul 28 20:45
balrog	http://www.washingtonpost.com/news/morning-mix/wp/2015/07/16/the-mysterious-death-of-a-doctor-who-peddled-autism-cures-to-thousands/	Jul 28 20:46
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.washingtonpost.com \| The mysterious death of a doctor who peddled autism ‘cures’ to thousands - The Washington Post [ http://ur1.ca/nacue ]		Jul 28 20:46
msb_	balrog: If you consider metaphor to be "that kind of crap", then I suggest you attempt to enhance your understanding of language.	Jul 28 20:47
msb_	balrog: Dr Bradstreet (before he was murdered) and others who were using GcMAF for autism claimed substantial success. But the WaPo article you link to uses the word "peddled" and puts quotes around the word "cured" which implies that his cures were fakes.	Jul 28 20:54
MinceR	were his cures proven in proper double blind clinical testing?	Jul 28 20:54
balrog	is there evidence to substantiate his claims that are not from him or people affiliated with him?	Jul 28 20:54
MinceR	also, how does an "activated" immune system defeat autism?	Jul 28 20:55
msb_	balrog: If you have not yet realized that the US corporate media tells LIES to support the US govt and corporations, I suggest that you compare articles from the corporate media with ones from the seven alternative news sites I gave, and that you use critical thinking to decide who is lying and who is telling the truth.	Jul 28 20:56
MinceR	good thing no other government or corporate media ever tells lies	Jul 28 20:56
MinceR	oh wait	Jul 28 20:56
msb_	I have no idea how an activated immune system defeats autism (claimed in most cases, not all). Unless the autism is being caused by an as yet unisolated virus.	Jul 28 20:57
msb_	MinceR: Of course some other govts and corp media lie.	Jul 28 20:58
msb_	balrog: You may be aware that viruses that have not been isolated, and for which, e.g., fluorescent-tagged antibodies have not been produced, are extremely difficult to detect. They just look like small particles under the electron microscope, undifferentiated from a myriad of other small particles.	Jul 28 21:01
balrog	msb_: can you stop treating me like an idiot?	Jul 28 21:01
msb_	balrog: How have I done that?	Jul 28 21:02
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msb_	balrog: I don't know how much you know about viruses. So if I gave information which you already know, I was not "treating [you] like an idiot".	Jul 28 21:06
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MinceR	http://www.commitstrip.com/en/2015/07/28/betting-on-the-right-horse/	Jul 28 22:03
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.commitstrip.com \| Betting on the right horse \| CommitStrip - Blog relating the daily life of web agencies developers [ http://ur1.ca/nadi7 ]		Jul 28 22:04
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Open Source Is Going Even More Open—Because It	Jul 28 22:08
TweetTuxMachines	Has To http://t.co/mjQ6mYmPMR	Jul 28 22:08
TweetTuxMachines	(www.tuxmachines.org)	Jul 28 22:08
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/nadj6	Jul 28 22:08
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org \| Open Source Is Going Even More Open—Because It Has To \| Tux Machines		Jul 28 22:08
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Student researchers collaborate virtually with	Jul 28 22:08
TweetTuxMachines	help of open-source software	Jul 28 22:08
TweetTuxMachines	http://t.co/HhQZSRY3tJ (www.tuxmachines.org)	Jul 28 22:08
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/nadja	Jul 28 22:08
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org \| Student researchers collaborate virtually with help of open-source software \| Tux Machines		Jul 28 22:08
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Move over Skype, Facetime, Hangouts. Here comes	Jul 28 22:08
TweetTuxMachines	Spreedbox, a fully open source, secure	Jul 28 22:08
TweetTuxMachines	videoconferencing solution	Jul 28 22:09
TweetTuxMachines	http://t.co/lhOQMAnA7U (www.tuxmachines.org)	Jul 28 22:09
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/nadjb	Jul 28 22:09
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org \| Move over Skype, Facetime, Hangouts. Here comes Spreedbox, a fully open source, secure videoconferencing solution \| Tux Machines		Jul 28 22:09
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Canonical Closes QEMU Vulnerabilities in Ubuntu	Jul 28 22:09
TweetTuxMachines	15.04 and Ubuntu 14.04 LTS	Jul 28 22:09
TweetTuxMachines	http://t.co/h8ROCwk1Gj (www.tuxmachines.org)	Jul 28 22:09
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/nadjc	Jul 28 22:09
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org \| Canonical Closes QEMU Vulnerabilities in Ubuntu 15.04 and Ubuntu 14.04 LTS \| Tux Machines		Jul 28 22:09
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schestowitz	MinceR: This is what it's like for developers to bet on the microsoft horse these days	Jul 28 22:25
schestowitz	LOL, Vista 10	Jul 28 22:25
schestowitz	What a shitty OS	Jul 28 22:25
MinceR	indeed	Jul 28 22:25
MinceR	with the mandatory "updates", it's a botnet now	Jul 28 22:25
schestowitz	New techrights page: Vista 10 Reality Log http://techrights.org/wiki/index.php/Vista_10_Reality_Log	Jul 28 22:25
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org \| Vista 10 Reality Log - Techrights [ http://ur1.ca/nadnk ]		Jul 28 22:25
MinceR	:)	Jul 28 22:26
schestowitz	and spyware all the time	Jul 28 22:26
schestowitz	even when playing solitaire	Jul 28 22:26
schestowitz	because ms needs to target ads	Jul 28 22:26
schestowitz	the page above was set up today	Jul 28 22:26
schestowitz	just in time for the "Ow"	Jul 28 22:26
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schestowitz	maybe it'll be the last of windows, in this form...	Jul 28 22:29
schestowitz	Chrome OS is very thin	Jul 28 22:29
schestowitz	mostly services (browser) platform	Jul 28 22:29
MinceR	because all future releases will be forced "updates"? :>	Jul 28 22:29
schestowitz	maybe MS will innov^H that	Jul 28 22:29
schestowitz	MinceR: that too is possible	Jul 28 22:30
MinceR	then again, if the alliance of fascists want to push the logical conclusion to uefi, there will be locked down appliances instead	Jul 28 22:30
schestowitz	rolling Windows	Jul 28 22:30
schestowitz	like Android on Nexus devices in particular	Jul 28 22:30
MinceR	so you can use the Cloud	Jul 28 22:30
schestowitz	and 'free' upgrade	Jul 28 22:30
MinceR	while being closely monitored by governments	Jul 28 22:30
schestowitz	but that's another discussion altogethe	Jul 28 22:30
MinceR	and the corporations that own the governments	Jul 28 22:30
schestowitz	Who would want MS Windows? Only those too cowardly to try something else	Jul 28 22:31
MinceR	(either directly or via the appliances used by the governments)	Jul 28 22:31
schestowitz	another question, how will MS make money? Will services be enough? Doubt it...	Jul 28 22:31
MinceR	they'll give the governments offers they can't refuse	Jul 28 22:31
MinceR	maybe a literal m$ tax	Jul 28 22:31
schestowitz	Google is exploring new antifeaturie	Jul 28 22:31
schestowitz	!google android m secure boot	Jul 28 22:31
TechrightsBot-tr	[1] - [Solved] Help: "Secure Boot error"… \| LG G3 \| XDA Forums - XDA ... \| http://forum.xda-developers.com/lg-g3/help/help-secure-boot-error-trying-to-boot-t3054977	Jul 28 22:31
TechrightsBot-tr	[2] - Verifying Boot \| Android Open Source Project \| https://source.android.com/devices/tech/security/verifiedboot/verified-boot.html	Jul 28 22:31
TechrightsBot-tr	[3] - Verified Boot \| Android Open Source Project \| https://source.android.com/devices/tech/security/verifiedboot/index.html	Jul 28 22:31
TechrightsBot-tr	[4] - What is Microsoft Secure Boot? Webopedia \| http://www.webopedia.com/TERM/M/microsoft_secure_boot.html	Jul 28 22:31
schestowitz	saw that today for the first time	Jul 28 22:31
MinceR	or people will play monthly rent on the appliances they use	Jul 28 22:31
MinceR	(and can't own)	Jul 28 22:31
schestowitz	they tried that	Jul 28 22:32
schestowitz	sort of	Jul 28 22:32
schestowitz	years ago	Jul 28 22:32
MinceR	they'll try it over and over until it sticks	Jul 28 22:32
schestowitz	!google mary jo foley microsoft rent windows	Jul 28 22:32
TechrightsBot-tr	[1] - Will Windows 10 Become a Subscription Model? -- Redmondmag.com \| https://redmondmag.com/articles/2015/04/01/subscription-model.aspx	Jul 28 22:32
TechrightsBot-tr	[2] - All About Microsoft \| ZDNet \| http://www.zdnet.com/blog/microsoft/	Jul 28 22:32
TechrightsBot-tr	[3] - Microsoft's 'Mohoro' Windows-as-a-service released as a public ... \| http://www.zdnet.com/article/microsofts-mohoro-windows-as-a-service-released-as-a-public-preview/	Jul 28 22:32
TechrightsBot-tr	[4] - How much does Microsoft make from PC makers with Windows 8.1 ... \| http://www.zdnet.com/article/how-much-does-microsoft-make-from-pc-makers-with-windows-8-1/	Jul 28 22:32
schestowitz	see [1]	Jul 28 22:32
schestowitz	oh, wait...	Jul 28 22:32
MinceR	just like SOPA, TTIP, Palladium	Jul 28 22:32
schestowitz	no, there was an older one	Jul 28 22:32
schestowitz	maybe none of the above	Jul 28 22:32
schestowitz	anyway, Linux devalues Windows	Jul 28 22:32
schestowitz	Google Apps and others do that to Office	Jul 28 22:33
MinceR	windows devalues itself	Jul 28 22:33
schestowitz	so MS is losing money, the cash cows won't last, and some other divisions lose money	Jul 28 22:33
schestowitz	their big feeders are UK and US gov.	Jul 28 22:33
schestowitz	maybe all those high GDP countries that sign secret deals	Jul 28 22:33
schestowitz	MS just got 30m from Bulgaria	Jul 28 22:33
schestowitz	but it's not astronoical amounts	Jul 28 22:33
schestowitz	it gets BILLIONS from UK gov, NHS, etc.	Jul 28 22:34
schestowitz	Cut that rope and Microsoft will fall	Jul 28 22:34
schestowitz	ODF is helping	Jul 28 22:34
MinceR	i wonder how much blackmail material m$ has on the governments	Jul 28 22:34
schestowitz	Today I was delighted to see that nationalarchives gov uk only uses PDF and ODF - no vendor lockin	Jul 28 22:34
schestowitz	BTW, could use some help	Jul 28 22:34
schestowitz	the national archive (NA) won't always work for me	Jul 28 22:34
schestowitz	I am trying to set it up such that it'll redirect from 404	Jul 28 22:35
schestowitz	but it works only randomly	Jul 28 22:35
schestowitz	which is strange	Jul 28 22:35
schestowitz	sometimes works, sometimes doesn't, URL stays the same	Jul 28 22:35
schestowitz	Drupal, cache, NA	Jul 28 22:35
schestowitz	Hard to debug where it's failing	Jul 28 22:36
schestowitz	[22:34] <MinceR> i wonder how much blackmail material m$ has on the governments	Jul 28 22:36
schestowitz	it's counterproductive when they blow the whistle	Jul 28 22:36
schestowitz	so it's becoming a risk	Jul 28 22:36
schestowitz	!google microsoft blackmail uk	Jul 28 22:36
TechrightsBot-tr	[1] - Microsoft accused of blackmailing UK government \| ITProPortal.com \| http://www.itproportal.com/2015/05/25/microsoft-accused-blackmailing-uk-government/	Jul 28 22:36
TechrightsBot-tr	[2] - Microsoft Accused of Blackmailing UK Officials Supporting Open ... \| http://news.softpedia.com/news/Microsoft-Accused-of-Blackmailing-UK-Officials-Supporting-Open-Document-Format-481985.shtml	Jul 28 22:36
TechrightsBot-tr	[3] - Microsoft threatened job cuts to influence UK government IT policy \| http://betanews.com/2015/05/22/microsoft-threatened-job-cuts-to-influence-uk-government-it-policy/	Jul 28 22:36
TechrightsBot-tr	[4] - Microsoft Blackmails and Extorts British Politicians Over Open ... \| http://techrights.org/2015/05/22/microsoft-blackmailing-politicians/	Jul 28 22:36
schestowitz	this isn't helping them getting the next contract	Jul 28 22:36
schestowitz	(if revealed to the public)	Jul 28 22:37
schestowitz	!google microsoft bribes probe	Jul 28 22:37
TechrightsBot-tr	[1] - U.S. Probes Microsoft, Partners Over Bribery Claims - WSJ \| http://www.wsj.com/articles/SB10001424127887324392804578361971662214256	Jul 28 22:37
TechrightsBot-tr	[2] - Microsoft Bribe Probe Touches Russia, Pakistan Deals - WSJ \| http://www.wsj.com/articles/SB10001424127887324619504579027200320722342	Jul 28 22:37
TechrightsBot-tr	[3] - Analysis: Microsoft bribery probe hinges on definitions - USA Today \| http://www.usatoday.com/story/tech/2013/03/19/microsoft-bribery-probe-hinges-on-definitions/2000257/	Jul 28 22:37
TechrightsBot-tr	[4] - US probes Microsoft China bribery claim - FT.com \| http://www.ft.com/cms/s/0/af5a109e-90d7-11e2-862b-00144feabdc0.html	Jul 28 22:37
MinceR	they'll just pay more in bribes	Jul 28 22:37
schestowitz	there was never a followup on that	Jul 28 22:37
schestowitz	so I joke, maybe they bribe those who probed	Jul 28 22:37
MinceR	or get in via the back door and change the memo that say not to give m$ the next contract	Jul 28 22:37
schestowitz	risk/benefit matter	Jul 28 22:38
schestowitz	make it easier, with FOSS, to blow the whistle	Jul 28 22:38
schestowitz	and then people like Mark Ballard in the UK will come out with damning reports	Jul 28 22:38
schestowitz	that pressure the idiots in Newham, London	Jul 28 22:38
schestowitz	he did that some years ago, it does embarrass them	Jul 28 22:38
schestowitz	make an environment where rather than people are afraid to blow the whistle or privately speak to journalists it's the corporations feeling tooo fearful to bribe, blackmail	Jul 28 22:39
schestowitz	and then they rethink that	Jul 28 22:39
msb_	Maybe a near-future strategy will be to point out that Linux is so messed up and unreliable (which it may be in a year or so, from systemd, app-churn, etc) that Windows is just as good.	Jul 28 22:58
MinceR	and simultaneously revoke redhat's and canonical's bootloader stub certificates	Jul 28 22:59
msb_	If that requires collusion among psychopaths in MS, RedHat and the govt, well, I think full-blown psychopaths have no empathy for people, and have learned to cooperate with each other. So to them it's just them vs us. And they have the power.	Jul 28 23:01
msb_	Think of them as insectoids from Star Trek. Totally alien.	Jul 28 23:02
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MinceR	no, that doesn't require collusion	Jul 28 23:07
MinceR	it only requires m$ to be its usual fascistic self and redhat to be greedy and shortsighted, which they are	Jul 28 23:08
MinceR	(same for canonical)	Jul 28 23:08
MinceR	and it would be nice to think of them as alien, but all these things are very human	Jul 28 23:08
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msb_	Let's introduce the terms "humane" and "inhumane".	Jul 28 23:38
msb_	Psychopaths have human hardware, but inhumane software.	Jul 28 23:38
msb_	Normal people have human hardware and humane software.	Jul 28 23:38
MinceR	i think "humane"/"inhumane" are misleading	Jul 28 23:38
MinceR	humans have proven countless times that they are capable of a lot of evil	Jul 28 23:39
msb_	humane, adj: marked or motivated by concern with the alleviation of suffering; showing evidence of moral and intellectual advancement	Jul 28 23:40
msb_	MinceR: You are right. Organisms with human hardware are capable of murderous evil.	Jul 28 23:41
msb_	But that is the result of inhumane software.	Jul 28 23:41
MinceR	i think "humane"/"inhumane" are misleading because they imply that humans are wired to be good	Jul 28 23:41
msb_	If treated with love and kindness in childhood, we do turn out good.	Jul 28 23:42
MinceR	then it seems love and kindness is rare indeed in childhood	Jul 28 23:43
MinceR	even the other kids tend to be horrible	Jul 28 23:43
msb_	Jean Liedloff, author of _The Continuum Concept_, found technologically primitive people who were very kind to their children, and their children all grew up to be kind.	Jul 28 23:44
MinceR	Steven Pinker's findings in The Blank Slate and The Better Angels of Our Nature seem to make the point that humans need advanced civilization in order to be good	Jul 28 23:46
msb_	The problem is, once inhumane behavior is triggered by some kind of extreme stress, it tends to stay with the person, and they pass it on to their children by being harsh to them.	Jul 28 23:46
msb_	We need to have comfort and good nutrition.	Jul 28 23:46
MinceR	we also need to strive to be civilized people	Jul 28 23:47
MinceR	and we need to stop promoting successful crime as an admirable thing	Jul 28 23:47
msb_	But advanced civ is certainly not _sufficient_, as can be seen by the large proportion of inhumane people (as you point out).	Jul 28 23:47
MinceR	pursuit of money must cease to be the greatest, most important goal	Jul 28 23:47
MinceR	also, the tendency to regress must be stopped	Jul 28 23:48
msb_	All true. But the core of the personality is formed in infancy, in reaction to the way the infant is treated.	Jul 28 23:48
MinceR	humanity needs to stop eroding human rights and democracy	Jul 28 23:48
MinceR	yeah, older kids need to stop teaching the younger kids to be evil and nasty	Jul 28 23:49
msb_	Yes, all true. But once an infant has been emotionally abused, they develop a core of fear and anger, which is then susceptible to all the things you mention, and it's very difficult to dissolve.	Jul 28 23:50
msb_	Prolonged therapy with gentle psychedelics, and exposure to humane people, music and movies, may dissolve the core of anger and fear at the center of the personality.	Jul 28 23:53
msb_	I just mean cannabis -- nothing drastic.	Jul 28 23:54
MinceR	yes, that might work	Jul 28 23:54
MinceR	gradually	Jul 28 23:54
MinceR	make every generation better than the preceding one	Jul 28 23:54
msb_	In the 1960s it _did_ work!	Jul 28 23:54
msb_	In just a few years!	Jul 28 23:55
MinceR	it didn't stick, though	Jul 28 23:56
msb_	It was destroyed by the psychopath rulers. Cannabis sale punished as if it were murder. Kent State shootings. Murder of John Lennon.	Jul 28 23:57
msb_	The rulers knew what was going on. It was talked about in the "underground newspapers".	Jul 28 23:58
MinceR	the people who grow up to be rulers must also improve	Jul 28 23:58
msb_	The audience stood up and cheered when I talked about it from the audience at some talk on cannabis.	Jul 28 23:59
msb_	That would be great. I think the son of one of the big tobacco families ended up speaking out against tobacco. But that's rare.	Jul 29 00:00
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msb_	With the Net, and access to the old music in youtube, and medical marijuana, a widespread movement among ordinary people should be possible. I've outlined a first attempt here: http://cosmicpenguin.com/CauseAndCure.html	Jul 29 00:05
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-cosmicpenguin.com \| THE CAUSE AND CURE OF HUMANITY'S PROBLEMS [ http://ur1.ca/n52a6 ]		Jul 29 00:05
msb_	There are also non-corporate ways to share music, if youtube takes it all down.	Jul 29 00:06
MinceR	http://thenextweb.com/gadgets/2015/07/28/robbed-in-60-seconds/	Jul 29 00:11
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-thenextweb.com \| Brinks safe runs Windows XP, can be hacked in 60 seconds… [ http://ur1.ca/naeex ]		Jul 29 00:11
msb_	And with Windows, smashing one's fist into the keyboard is probably one of the first things people do!	Jul 29 00:14
MinceR	lol	Jul 29 00:16
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schestowitz	https://twitter.com/encycl/status/626306138938568704	Jul 29 09:20
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@encycl: @schestowitz "once upon a time" is not a defense for an offensive word. That's what progress means.		Jul 29 09:20
schestowitz	Right, but the point is, github threatens to censor projects based on offensive words	Jul 29 09:21
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Gentoo-Based Sabayon Linux Gets Its Monthly	Jul 29 09:55
TweetTuxMachines	Update for August 2015 http://t.co/g0vw32jwpU	Jul 29 09:55
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Second Release Candidate of NetBSD 7.0 Brings	Jul 29 09:55
TweetTuxMachines	Latest OpenSSL and BIND Updates	Jul 29 09:55
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Nvidia 352.30 Stable Driver for Linux Has Lots	Jul 29 09:56
TweetTuxMachines	of Fixes and GeForce 910M Support	Jul 29 09:56
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Apache HTTP Server Vulnerabilities Fixes in	Jul 29 10:00
TweetTuxMachines	Ubuntu OSes http://t.co/twxwjpbqZS	Jul 29 10:00
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Ubuntu Software Center Is Really Hated by the	Jul 29 10:00
TweetTuxMachines	Community, but Why? http://t.co/UeNvcQPYcc	Jul 29 10:00
TweetTuxMachines	(news.softpedia.com) well-documented	Jul 29 10:00
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Canonical Patches Four Linux Kernel	Jul 29 10:00
TweetTuxMachines	Vulnerabilities in Ubuntu 15.04 and Ubuntu	Jul 29 10:00
TweetTuxMachines	14.04 http://t.co/4f6JgUmsq0	Jul 29 10:00
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Raspberry Pi gains $35 HAT-based touchscreen	Jul 29 10:08
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Watch: Ubuntu MATE 15.04 Linux Running on the	Jul 29 10:08
TweetTuxMachines	MK808B Plus Quad-Core Mini TV Box	Jul 29 10:08
TweetTuxMachines	http://t.co/UJEcefDmlg (linux.softpedia.com)	Jul 29 10:08
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Ubuntu's Mir 0.14 Display Server Officially	Jul 29 10:08
TweetTuxMachines	Released, Here's What's Coming in Mir 0.15	Jul 29 10:08
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msb_	I wrote a multitasking animated graphics program in C that ran under DesqView, I think on a 386. It was an excellent system.	Jul 29 10:21
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Gentoo-Based Sabayon Linux Gets Its Monthly	Jul 29 10:31
TweetTuxMachines	Update for August 2015 http://t.co/ntBuHOYOTl	Jul 29 10:31
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schestowitz	https://twitter.com/JohnitoMusic/status/626322848584495104	Jul 29 10:31
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@JohnitoMusic: @schestowitz I can imagine.But to me the 'light on resources' argument is more important,especially because I only use second hand gear atm.		Jul 29 10:31
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines i.MX6 module and Pico-ITX sized carrier run	Jul 29 10:31
TweetTuxMachines	Buildroot Linux http://t.co/DLFtYfSUoo	Jul 29 10:31
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines OlliOlli2 Grinding coming to gnu linux	Jul 29 10:31
TweetTuxMachines	http://t.co/lRaK2KjtXS (www.thesixthaxis.com)	Jul 29 10:32
schestowitz	That's why we need choice in GNU/Linux	Jul 29 10:32
TweetTuxMachines	http://t.co/kv79sfFG9i (www.hardcoregamer.com)	Jul 29 10:32
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TweetTuxMachines	http://t.co/2TwUcVlvOX (www.develop-online.net)	Jul 29 10:32
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.hardcoregamer.com \| OlliOlli2 Grinding to PC, Mac and Linux this August \| Hardcore Gamer		Jul 29 10:32
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.develop-online.net \| OlliOlli2: Welcome to Olliwood Grinds Onto PC, Mac and Linux on August 11 \| Games industry press releases \| Develop		Jul 29 10:32
schestowitz	https://twitter.com/MariusNestor/status/626323027886739456	Jul 29 10:32
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@MariusNestor: @schestowitz haha 😁😁		Jul 29 10:32
schestowitz	https://twitter.com/JohnitoMusic/status/626324787867029504	Jul 29 10:42
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@JohnitoMusic: @schestowitz agreed. One of many things I like about it		Jul 29 10:42
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines It's Easy to Port Mobile HTML5 Games to Ubuntu	Jul 29 10:47
TweetTuxMachines	Phone, Says the Community Manager	Jul 29 10:47
TweetTuxMachines	http://t.co/2aotNAxFca (linux.softpedia.com)	Jul 29 10:47
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-linux.softpedia.com \| It's Easy to Port Mobile HTML5 Games to Ubuntu Phone, Says the Community Manager - Softpedia		Jul 29 10:47
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Solus Linux OS Boots in 1.2 Seconds	Jul 29 10:47
TweetTuxMachines	http://t.co/yeQecrYtcm (news.softpedia.com)	Jul 29 10:47
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-news.softpedia.com \| Solus Linux OS Boots in 1.2 Seconds - Softpedia		Jul 29 10:47
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Canonical Patches Two BIND Vulnerabilities in	Jul 29 10:47
TweetTuxMachines	All Supported Ubuntu OSes, Update Now	Jul 29 10:47
TweetTuxMachines	http://t.co/rXhzUIHmsg (www.tuxmachines.org)	Jul 29 10:47
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org \| Canonical Patches Two BIND Vulnerabilities in All Supported Ubuntu OSes, Update Now \| Tux Machines		Jul 29 10:47
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Leftovers: Ubuntu Touch http://t.co/IUsQaVyk3L	Jul 29 10:47
TweetTuxMachines	(www.tuxmachines.org)	Jul 29 10:47
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Solus Linux OS Boots in 1.2 Seconds	Jul 29 10:47
TweetTuxMachines	http://t.co/0MFOBIkdxs (www.tuxmachines.org)	Jul 29 10:47
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/najb3	Jul 29 10:47
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Using OpenBSD as a FreeBSD Router	Jul 29 10:47
TweetTuxMachines	http://t.co/Fn70EtgHZk (www.tuxmachines.org)	Jul 29 10:47
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org \| Using OpenBSD as a FreeBSD Router \| Tux Machines		Jul 29 10:47
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines GNOME's LaTeXila TeX/LaTeX Editor App Gets New	Jul 29 10:47
TweetTuxMachines	Features, Prepares for GNOME 3.18	Jul 29 10:47
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@johanhegg: @schestowitz Mate		Jul 29 11:01
schestowitz	One of the few I never tried	Jul 29 11:01
schestowitz	unless Mint in 2010 counted for that	Jul 29 11:02
schestowitz	https://twitter.com/eee_eff/status/626331773794951168	Jul 29 11:02
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@eee_eff: @schestowitz I still like blackbox, most elegant, useful and uncluttered yet. Too bad NOT GPL, so #openbox		Jul 29 11:02
schestowitz	There's a openbox+kde+qt+plasma hybrid that I tried last year	Jul 29 11:02
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines GNOME's LaTeXila TeX/LaTeX Editor App Gets New	Jul 29 11:05
TweetTuxMachines	Features, Prepares for GNOME 3.18	Jul 29 11:05
TweetTuxMachines	http://t.co/RgjllReScP (linux.softpedia.com)	Jul 29 11:05
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Today in Techrights http://t.co/ShMJFTRp01	Jul 29 11:05
TweetTuxMachines	retweeted by (www.tuxmachines.org)	Jul 29 11:05
TweetTuxMachines	@schestowitz	Jul 29 11:05
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/najet	Jul 29 11:05
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org \| Today in Techrights \| Tux Machines		Jul 29 11:05
schestowitz	https://twitter.com/eee_eff/status/626332623070171136	Jul 29 11:07
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@eee_eff: @schestowitz yes, SuSE has an openbox kde desktop. Used some, but some apps looked odd...		Jul 29 11:07
schestowitz	Yes, not tested under such setups	Jul 29 11:07
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schestowitz	https://twitter.com/johanhegg/status/626336681117913088	Jul 29 11:23
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@johanhegg: @schestowitz Nope lol tried mint, and Mate hands down for me at least, is the best so far, accessibility being my main reason		Jul 29 11:23
schestowitz	https://joindiaspora.com/posts/6399483	Jul 29 11:28
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: #diegogarcia is so blurred/grainy/low res in #googlemaps that one wonders if it's intentional. Nukes, subs, bombers, torture flights there.		Jul 29 11:28
schestowitz	"If it this is more the case than in surrounding bits of land, then I would stop wondering."	Jul 29 11:28
schestowitz	I guess all they have is satellite footage and no aerial footage like much of Google Maps. Would US Navy etc. want planes flying overhead for publication? If there was war, Diego Garcia would be a top target alongside Hawaii, Guam, maybe Luzon and a few other vulnerable but strategic areas	Jul 29 11:29
schestowitz	"Yes and sadly consumers have to pay a fee whenever they want to withdraw cash from ATMs so people start transitioning to cards."	Jul 29 11:32
schestowitz	https://joindiaspora.com/posts/6399548	Jul 29 11:32
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: In #sweden "banks don't want to pay the 'expense' of handling cash," iopkh shows http://www.svd.se/pengar-problem-i-kontanthanteringen/om/debatten-om-kontanterna		Jul 29 11:32
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights--> www.svd.se \| Ingen vill betala för kontanterna \| SvD [ http://ur1.ca/najtj ]		Jul 29 11:32
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Watch: Ubuntu MATE 15.04 Linux Running on the	Jul 29 11:49
TweetTuxMachines	retweeted by MK808B Plus Quad-Core Mini TV Box	Jul 29 11:49
TweetTuxMachines	@tokvbok http://t.co/UJEcefDmlg (linux.softpedia.com)	Jul 29 11:49
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/nak1e	Jul 29 11:49
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines "I have settled on maintaining my sensitive	Jul 29 11:49
TweetTuxMachines	data in plain-text files that I then encrypt	Jul 29 11:49
TweetTuxMachines	asymmetrically" http://t.co/ZJzynpCvox	Jul 29 11:49
TweetTuxMachines	(www.linuxjournal.com)	Jul 29 11:49
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.linuxjournal.com \| Hacking a Safe with Bash \| Linux Journal		Jul 29 11:49
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MinceR	https://plus.google.com/+JohnMcKenzie/posts/KFG3PWHrYHu	Jul 29 12:42
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-plus.google.com \| Just remember folks - upgrading to Windows 10 - Asimov/CEIP/WER (MS' real time… [ http://ur1.ca/nakpj ]		Jul 29 12:42
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MinceR	https://edri.org/microsofts-new-small-print-how-your-personal-data-abused/	Jul 29 12:59
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Canonical Says Ubuntu-Based Docker Images Are	Jul 29 13:24
TweetTuxMachines	Not a Copyright Violation	Jul 29 13:24
TweetTuxMachines	http://t.co/FjryivHca1 (www.tuxmachines.org)	Jul 29 13:24
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/nal69	Jul 29 13:24
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Poll: "I am not using systemd and plan to avoid	Jul 29 13:24
TweetTuxMachines	it: 1170 (44%)	Jul 29 13:24
TweetTuxMachines	I use systemd and like it: 787 (30%)"	Jul 29 13:24
TweetTuxMachines	http://t.co/5MwBGsGZ9w (distrowatch.com)	Jul 29 13:24
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/nal6a	Jul 29 13:24
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-distrowatch.com \| DistroWatch.com: Put the fun back into computing. Use Linux, BSD.		Jul 29 13:24
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*Topic for #techrights is: TechRights.org \| Channel #techrights for http://TechRights.org :: please also join channels #boycottnovell-social #techbytes and #boycottnovell		Jul 29 16:57
*Topic for #techrights set by schestowitz!~schestowi@unaffiliated/schestowitz at Sat Jun 9 18:16:19 2012		Jul 29 16:57
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines today's howtos http://t.co/9sKvEIQ2Dx	Jul 29 16:59
TweetTuxMachines	(www.tuxmachines.org)	Jul 29 16:59
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/nannv	Jul 29 16:59
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines today's leftovers http://t.co/oVjWViqwyU	Jul 29 16:59
TweetTuxMachines	(www.tuxmachines.org)	Jul 29 16:59
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/nannw	Jul 29 16:59
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MinceR	https://twitter.com/___discovery/status/626327366848106496/photo/1	Jul 29 17:33
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@___discovery: Something happened while trying to install #Windows10 https://t.co/xErI5zyBNw http://t.co/pweJtrUPgC		Jul 29 17:33
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights--> imgur.com \| Oh good - Imgur		Jul 29 17:33
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@___discovery: Something happened while trying to install #Windows10 https://t.co/xErI5zyBNw http://t.co/pweJtrUPgC		Jul 29 17:33
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schestowitz	https://twitter.com/SleepyPenguin1/status/626438959644737536	Jul 29 18:21
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@SleepyPenguin1: Where do want to go tomorrow ? Windows 10: Here are the privacy issues you should know about @ruskin147 @schestowitz http://t.co/TzXAvIcSGu		Jul 29 18:21
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights--> thenextweb.com \| Windows 10? Here are privacy issues you should consider		Jul 29 18:21
MinceR	https://imgur.com/s274w4E	Jul 29 18:22
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-imgur.com \| 4chan on Windows10 - Imgur		Jul 29 18:22
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Today in Techrights http://t.co/0chrMDmuU7	Jul 29 18:26
TweetTuxMachines	retweeted by (www.tuxmachines.org)	Jul 29 18:26
TweetTuxMachines	@schestowitz	Jul 29 18:26
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/nano9	Jul 29 18:26
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org \| Today in Techrights \| Tux Machines		Jul 29 18:26
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Snappy Ubuntu Core 15.04 Gets a Second Stable	Jul 29 18:26
TweetTuxMachines	Release http://t.co/beYRv4whzM	Jul 29 18:26
TweetTuxMachines	(news.softpedia.com)	Jul 29 18:26
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TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/naoqz	Jul 29 18:26
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines NVidia's Tegra X1 does well on Linux	Jul 29 18:26
TweetTuxMachines	http://t.co/1W5xAkjwyD (www.tuxmachines.org)	Jul 29 18:26
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/naor0	Jul 29 18:26
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org \| NVidia's Tegra X1 does well on Linux \| Tux Machines		Jul 29 18:26
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Snappy Ubuntu Core 15.04 Gets a Second Stable	Jul 29 18:26
TweetTuxMachines	Release http://t.co/tKKgciKsSU	Jul 29 18:26
TweetTuxMachines	(www.tuxmachines.org)	Jul 29 18:26
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org \| Snappy Ubuntu Core 15.04 Gets a Second Stable Release \| Tux Machines		Jul 29 18:26
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Remix Mini Is the First Android PC, Runs	Jul 29 18:26
TweetTuxMachines	Lollipop-Based Remix OS http://t.co/Rrm4ErtP3A	Jul 29 18:26
TweetTuxMachines	(www.tuxmachines.org)	Jul 29 18:26
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/naor2	Jul 29 18:26
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines The AMD Radeon R9 Fury Is Currently A Disaster	Jul 29 19:32
TweetTuxMachines	On Linux http://t.co/RTYzefjxjT	Jul 29 19:32
TweetTuxMachines	(www.tuxmachines.org)	Jul 29 19:32
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org \| The AMD Radeon R9 Fury Is Currently A Disaster On Linux \| Tux Machines		Jul 29 19:32
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/napkd	Jul 29 19:32
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Battle of the sub-$450 Android phones: ZTE Axon	Jul 29 19:32
TweetTuxMachines	vs OnePlus 2 vs Moto X Style	Jul 29 19:32
TweetTuxMachines	http://t.co/Kxx7Zpbzuh (www.tuxmachines.org)	Jul 29 19:32
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/napkn	Jul 29 19:32
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org \| Battle of the sub-$450 Android phones: ZTE Axon vs OnePlus 2 vs Moto X Style \| Tux Machines		Jul 29 19:32
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines OpenDaylight dawn: Open-source software defined	Jul 29 19:32
TweetTuxMachines	networking goes into production	Jul 29 19:32
TweetTuxMachines	http://t.co/OOBDqDTp5M (www.tuxmachines.org)	Jul 29 19:32
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/napks	Jul 29 19:32
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org \| OpenDaylight dawn: Open-source software defined networking goes into production \| Tux Machines		Jul 29 19:32
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schestowitz	https://joindiaspora.com/posts/6401633	Jul 29 20:02
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: This week I saw an idiot in the jacuzzi who brought his phone with him (powerful phone) to take selfies. I hope he wins Darwin Award.		Jul 29 20:02
schestowitz	"I really dislike selfies, but I think dropping a phone into a bathtub would be harmless for people."	Jul 29 20:02
schestowitz	not just to the user, but others around the user.... in this case.	Jul 29 20:03
schestowitz	https://joindiaspora.com/posts/6400102	Jul 29 20:03
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: To understand why poaching #CecilTheLion is big deal in #Zimbabwe imagine media reaction in US if Zimbabwean in US murdered Trump for 'fun'		Jul 29 20:03
schestowitz	"I can bet many people would not mind at all."	Jul 29 20:03
schestowitz	Corporate media would moan	Jul 29 20:03
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schestowitz	https://joindiaspora.com/posts/6399886	Jul 29 20:05
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: #Ubuntu Software Center Is Really Hated by the Community, but Why? http://news.softpedia.com/news/ubuntu-software-center-is-really-hated-by-community-but-why-487990.shtml well-documented controversy		Jul 29 20:05
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights--> news.softpedia.com \| Ubuntu Software Center Is Really Hated by the Community, but Why? - Softpedia [ http://ur1.ca/napxj ]		Jul 29 20:05
schestowitz	"Yeah, I never use it either. It is resource intensive and full of advertising. I like the Lubuntu Software Center better, but usually just use APT from the command line."	Jul 29 20:05
schestowitz	"Web search plus apt means I know what I’m getting into. Software centers? It’s hard for them to be as good."	Jul 29 20:05
schestowitz	https://joindiaspora.com/posts/6400465	Jul 29 20:06
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: My wife is extremely distraught over #CecilTheLion (a lot more than me).It's only now I realise media refusing to cover it caused ignorance.		Jul 29 20:06
schestowitz	"I remember a post titled “Killing a lion is the most cowardly thing you can do.”"	Jul 29 20:06
schestowitz	"I saw that too. But plenty of stuff on Diaspora* isn’t covered by the mainstream media."	Jul 29 20:07
schestowitz	I remember that one...	Jul 29 20:07
schestowitz	https://joindiaspora.com/posts/6400554	Jul 29 20:08
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: Poaching is a rich people's 'sport'. Only psychopaths can sleep well at night after doing that. In the #uk watch who does #foxHunting		Jul 29 20:08
schestowitz	"originally, hunting was a way for peasants to sustain themselves, before the enclosure movement made all land into property, declared wild hunting illegal, which drove the peasants into the cities as cheap workforce for the new industrial factories"	Jul 29 20:08
schestowitz	https://joindiaspora.com/posts/6400371	Jul 29 20:12
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: So if you 'upgrade' (for 'free') to #vista10 you lose access to 'free' Solitaire, which now spies on you (for ads) http://www.zdnet.com/article/want-to-remove-the-ads-from-solitaire-in-windows-10-thatll-be-1-49-a-month/		Jul 29 20:12
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights--> www.zdnet.com \| Want to remove the ads from Solitaire in Windows 10? That'll be $1.49 a month \| ZDNet [ http://ur1.ca/na8zt ]		Jul 29 20:12
schestowitz	"	Jul 29 20:12
schestowitz	http://sourceforge.net/projects/pysolfc/	Jul 29 20:12
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-sourceforge.net \| PySolFC download \| SourceForge.net		Jul 29 20:12
schestowitz	I’m seriiously having concerns about the sanity of Microsoft users - in so far as total ignorance isn’t the explanation.	Jul 29 20:12
schestowitz	"	Jul 29 20:12
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abeNd-org	cant say i have ever actually played any of those included windows games, except that pinball they had in win98	Jul 29 20:21
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Ubuntu Touch Finally Gets a Regression Fix for	Jul 29 20:56
TweetTuxMachines	Nexus 4 and Aquaris Phones	Jul 29 20:56
TweetTuxMachines	http://t.co/C4eX66J2uG (www.tuxmachines.org)	Jul 29 20:56
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/naqif	Jul 29 20:56
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org \| Ubuntu Touch Finally Gets a Regression Fix for Nexus 4 and Aquaris Phones \| Tux Machines		Jul 29 20:56
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines The road to LibreOffice 5.0	Jul 29 20:56
TweetTuxMachines	http://t.co/2q0G6HfV5I (www.tuxmachines.org)	Jul 29 20:56
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/naqig	Jul 29 20:56
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org \| The road to LibreOffice 5.0 \| Tux Machines		Jul 29 20:56
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schestowitz	https://joindiaspora.com/posts/6399555	Jul 29 21:22
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: Dice: "The Company… has not successfully leveraged the #Slashdot user base." http://arstechnica.com/information-technology/2015/07/dhi-group-plans-to-sell-off-slashdot-and-sourceforge/ leveraged?!		Jul 29 21:22
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights--> arstechnica.com \| DHI Group plans to sell off Slashdot and Sourceforge \| Ars Technica [ http://ur1.ca/nai44 ]		Jul 29 21:22
schestowitz	"I’ll give a try to Soylent news before being leveraged."	Jul 29 21:22
schestowitz	Leveraged and DICED.	Jul 29 21:23
schestowitz	https://joindiaspora.com/posts/6399642	Jul 29 21:23
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: 2009: Tesco Recommends Vista “Due to Endorsement Money Paid to Tesco from Microsoft” http://techrights.org/2009/06/12/tesco-lies-for-ms-cash/ #currys does this too now. #spam		Jul 29 21:23
schestowitz	"I wonder if there is someone that endorses Microsoft for free."	Jul 29 21:23
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights--> techrights.org \| Tesco Recommends Vista “Due to Endorsement Money Paid to Tesco from Microsoft” \| Techrights [ http://ur1.ca/nai87 ]		Jul 29 21:23
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msb__	.	Jul 29 21:40
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schestowitz	DaemonFC is baaack	Jul 29 21:56
DaemonFC	Yeah. I've been busy.	Jul 29 21:58
schestowitz	that's jono's line	Jul 29 22:00
schestowitz	http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2015/07/29/ferguson-prisoner-beaten-by-cops-has-won-his-appeal.html #police said "destruction of property because he bled on their uniforms"	Jul 29 22:03
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.thedailybeast.com \| Ferguson Prisoner Beaten by Cops Has Won His Appeal - The Daily Beast [ http://ur1.ca/narbm ]		Jul 29 22:03
DaemonFC	Hmm.	Jul 29 22:03
DaemonFC	I just got an update for my Galaxy S6.	Jul 29 22:03
DaemonFC	That's been happening a lot.	Jul 29 22:03
DaemonFC	Good god.	Jul 29 22:05
DaemonFC	"Previous Windows installations: 19.7 GB"	Jul 29 22:05
XRevan86	DaemonFC: On Galaxy S6?	Jul 29 22:05
DaemonFC	No.	Jul 29 22:06
DaemonFC	I just upgraded Windows 8.1 to Windows 10.	Jul 29 22:06
DaemonFC	It also left 3.7 GB of upgrade files behind.	Jul 29 22:06
DaemonFC	Messy. :P	Jul 29 22:06
XRevan86	Oh, Windows 10 user. Good, I mean bad.	Jul 29 22:06
XRevan86	DaemonFC: https://reddit.com/r/Windows10/comments/31rxsv/disable_keylogger_windows_10	Jul 29 22:06
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.reddit.com \| Disable KeyLogger Windows 10 : Windows10 [ http://ur1.ca/narda ]		Jul 29 22:06
XRevan86	can you confirm this?	Jul 29 22:06
XRevan86	on the release version	Jul 29 22:07
XRevan86	Or maybe I was informed wrong and keylogger is not activated in the release.	Jul 29 22:07
DaemonFC	There's an option during setup that asks if you want it to send your typing and voice data to Microsoft to improve the quality of suggestions.	Jul 29 22:07
DaemonFC	I turned that to "off".	Jul 29 22:07
XRevan86	DaemonFC: ah	Jul 29 22:07
DaemonFC	It's kind of creepy that it would be able to do that and asks, and that it defaults to "on".	Jul 29 22:07
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DaemonFC	Probably one of those things where if they get sued later they want to say "It's not our fault that you didn't answer yes or not to 30 questions and used the default options button!".	Jul 29 22:08
XRevan86	DaemonFC: Used must be prepared to never touch the "defaults" button :).	Jul 29 22:10
XRevan86	DaemonFC: Installers of Windows applications do the same.	Jul 29 22:10
XRevan86	"Oh, you wanted to leave defaults? Okay, then get the Comodo browser, the panel for Internet Explorer, a system cleaner and a custom homepage"	Jul 29 22:11
schestowitz	http://www.theregister.co.uk/2014/10/14/windows_10_privacy_controversy_sysadmin_blog/	Jul 29 22:11
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.theregister.co.uk \| Windows 10: Forget Cloudobile, put Security and Privacy First • The Register [ http://ur1.ca/narfi ]		Jul 29 22:11
schestowitz	http://thenextweb.com/microsoft/2015/07/29/wind-nos/	Jul 29 22:11
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-thenextweb.com \| Windows 10? Here are privacy issues you should consider [ http://ur1.ca/narfn ]		Jul 29 22:11
schestowitz	https://edri.org/microsofts-new-small-print-how-your-personal-data-abused/	Jul 29 22:11
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-SSL connect error ( status 0 @ https://edri.org/microsofts-new-small-print-how-your-personal-data-abused/ )		Jul 29 22:11
schestowitz	https://plus.google.com/+JohnMcKenzie/posts/KFG3PWHrYHu	Jul 29 22:12
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-plus.google.com \| Just remember folks - upgrading to Windows 10 - Asimov/CEIP/WER (MS' real time… [ http://ur1.ca/nakpj ]		Jul 29 22:12
schestowitz	http://techrights.org/wiki/index.php/Vista_10_Reality_Log http://techrights.org/wiki/index.php/Microsoft_and_the_NSA	Jul 29 22:12
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org \| Vista 10 Reality Log - Techrights [ http://ur1.ca/nadnk ]		Jul 29 22:12
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org \| Microsoft and the NSA - Techrights [ http://ur1.ca/g1zod ]		Jul 29 22:12
schestowitz	"By default, when signing into Windows with a Microsoft account, Windows syncs some of your settings and data with Microsoft servers, for example “web browser history, favorites, and websites you have open” as well as “saved app, website, mobile hotspot, and Wi-Fi network names and passwords”. Users can however deactivate this transfer to the Microsoft servers by changing their settings."	Jul 29 22:13
schestowitz	"The problem is that both Microsoft and the US government have lost the trust of the general populace. Discovering borderline technologies incorporated into Windows 10's technical preview (like the built-in keylogger of ultimate controversy) simply serves as a catalyst for concerned citizens to ask the questions that have been bothering them for some time."	Jul 29 22:13
schestowitz	"Sign into Windows with your Microsoft account and the operating system immediately syncs settings and data to the company’s servers. That includes your browser history, favorites and the websites you currently have open as well as saved app, website and mobile hotspot passwords and Wi-Fi network names and passwords."	Jul 29 22:13
schestowitz	Sounds like the NSA will be happy	Jul 29 22:13
schestowitz	got all your passwords	Jul 29 22:13
schestowitz	MS doesn't even try to PRETEND to care about privacy	Jul 29 22:13
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schestowitz	just lip services for summies	Jul 29 22:14
schestowitz	*dummies	Jul 29 22:14
schestowitz	who don't read EULA, news, etc.	Jul 29 22:14
schestowitz	thankfully many CIOs/CTOs might	Jul 29 22:14
schestowitz	and I don't foresee govs adopting this cra	Jul 29 22:14
schestowitz	they'll consider gnu/linux	Jul 29 22:14
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schestowitz	I'm being trolled by FOUR 'security' developers from Microsoft today	Jul 29 22:15
schestowitz	they don't respond with any substance	Jul 29 22:15
schestowitz	just ad hominem against me and others	Jul 29 22:15
schestowitz	which says a lot...	Jul 29 22:15
MinceR	they don't have anything else to do	Jul 29 22:15
MinceR	they're "security" "developers" at m$, after all	Jul 29 22:15
schestowitz	"Stolen's a strong word. it's copyrighted content that the owner wasn't paid for."ill Gates, June 2006	Jul 29 22:16
schestowitz	Bill who watches copyrighted movies on youtube	Jul 29 22:16
schestowitz	and publicly admitted to it	Jul 29 22:16
MinceR	lol	Jul 29 22:16
schestowitz	"David Smith commented that Gartner will not bash MS if MS chooses to slip Vista."	Jul 29 22:17
MinceR	the tune changes when bill believes he was slighted	Jul 29 22:17
schestowitz	Jamin Spilzer, Microsoft	Jul 29 22:17
MinceR	the biggest criminals have the right to do anything	Jul 29 22:17
MinceR	and the slaves get to give everything they have	Jul 29 22:17
schestowitz	-rw-r--r--. 1 root root 165960713 Jul 29 14:19 techrights.org-access_log	Jul 29 22:19
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schestowitz	[root@techrights httpd]#	Jul 29 22:19
schestowitz	At this pace, we might have the busiest week perhaps ever...	Jul 29 22:19
schestowitz	or in recent years	Jul 29 22:19
schestowitz	3.5 days at the back end heading towards 330mb	Jul 29 22:20
schestowitz	the cache server does the vast majority, at around 1.6 GB/hour	Jul 29 22:20
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schestowitz	I think MS is getting a bad reputation	Jul 29 22:21
schestowitz	and I think they know they lose the battle over minds	Jul 29 22:21
schestowitz	which is why they lay off and lose money	Jul 29 22:21
schestowitz	they pay twitter now to promote their garbage	Jul 29 22:21
schestowitz	but people push back with rants about vista 10	Jul 29 22:21
abeNd-org	only end user rants i have heard so far have been people with 1366x768 screens, UI issues	Jul 29 22:23
DaemonFC	I don't really like the new start menu.	Jul 29 22:25
DaemonFC	It's still way too pushy about wanting you to run "Modern" apps.	Jul 29 22:25
MinceR	i'm not m$'s or crApple's or redcrap's target audience	Jul 29 22:25
MinceR	they design their products for idiots	Jul 29 22:26
abeNd-org	as a consultant that has to support ms (as well as linux/mac/mobile devices/etc) id sure like to see all the windows boxes moved to win10, at least it would be one platform to support	Jul 29 22:28
schestowitz	but it's not best for you	Jul 29 22:29
schestowitz	broken windows theory	Jul 29 22:29
schestowitz	if there's more work to do, you might get more work. That's what windows can be "good" for...	Jul 29 22:29
schestowitz	"job creation" through "broken windows" economy	Jul 29 22:30
MinceR	until you lose that work because general purpose computers were outlawed and replaced by telescreens where you can do nothing locally	Jul 29 22:30
MinceR	and the server side is in the techno-fascists' hands	Jul 29 22:31
abeNd-org	id rather support just 10 rather than 2000/xp/7/8/81 (none of the hundreds of customers has vista)	Jul 29 22:31
MinceR	breaking the world for someone else's benefit, like redcrap is doing	Jul 29 22:31
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XRevan86	abeNd-org: But Windows 7 and "newer" are pretty much the same.	Jul 29 22:31
abeNd-org	the OS itself I dont mind, some of the weird cruft that goes along with it like https://edri.org/microsofts-new-small-print-how-your-personal-data-abused/ is needless	Jul 29 22:31
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DaemonFC	Well, that was a crash.	Jul 29 22:33
abeNd-org	XRevan86: kinda sorta, but with 7pro you dont get bitlocker, 8pro you do, 10pro you do, so id like everyone on 10pro (or enterprise if they have the licensing). those that can use linux do, but with the business apps thats far & few between. plenty of linux server side though	Jul 29 22:33
DaemonFC	I went to uninstall something that had a helper in Windows Explorer, and it brought down the shell.	Jul 29 22:33
XRevan86	abeNd-org: Is there anyone who uses BitLocker?	Jul 29 22:33
abeNd-org	XRevan86: we have a good amount of clients that have machines with TPM & use bitlocker, it isnt 100% foolproof, but still better than letting users run with bare laptop drives	Jul 29 22:34
XRevan86	There are LibreCrypt, CipherShed, VeraCrypt	Jul 29 22:35
XRevan86	Why would anybody want to use BitLocker?	Jul 29 22:35
MinceR	and vista and vista7 are also pretty much the same	Jul 29 22:35
MinceR	except in marketing, of course	Jul 29 22:35
MinceR	XRevan86: because they don't know anything about security and believe the hype about Treacherous Computing	Jul 29 22:36
abeNd-org	XRevan86: because it can be controlled via gpo (easier management than most other alternatives), & it is built in. those alternatives are fine for individuals, but when you are trying to manage it on multiple computers it doesnt scale well	Jul 29 22:36
MinceR	or they might also believe the hype about storage devices that allegedly encrypt themselves and use those instead	Jul 29 22:36
MinceR	backdoors in windows, backdoors in the TPM, backdoors in the storage device	Jul 29 22:37
abeNd-org	backdoors into everything, but still better than bare	Jul 29 22:37
MinceR	most users are ignorant of Kerckhoffs's principle	Jul 29 22:37
DaemonFC	I actually gained a few GB of free space on my SSD compared with Windows 8 after that.	Jul 29 22:37
DaemonFC	Microsoft uses NTFS file and folder compression on some Windows files now.	Jul 29 22:37
MinceR	so they accept these kinds of untrustworthy snake oil	Jul 29 22:37
msb__	MinceR: YOU WILL LOVE TELESCREEN	Jul 29 22:39
MinceR	well, if i get the right drugs and conditioning, i probably will	Jul 29 22:39
MinceR	but i will probably die before that works	Jul 29 22:39
DaemonFC	It installed an app called "Get Microsoft Office". I removed it with the add/remove programs applet. :P	Jul 29 22:41
DaemonFC	I already have LibreOffice installed on the computer and it doesn't cost several hundred dollars.	Jul 29 22:42
MinceR	lol	Jul 29 22:42
MinceR	such a useful piece of software, "Get Microsoft Office"	Jul 29 22:42
MinceR	to "get" an application, you must first have another application so you can "get" it with that	Jul 29 22:43
MinceR	i await the announcement of the "Get Get Microsoft Office" application with bated breath	Jul 29 22:43
DaemonFC	MinceR, What it does is it either takes you to a site where you can buy it and then downloads and install it, or you can type in the license key from a card that you bought at Walmart or somewhere, and then it downloads and installs it.	Jul 29 22:45
abeNd-org	cripes im getting these google business listing calls almost daily now	Jul 29 22:45
abeNd-org	i cant get these buggers to stop calling me	Jul 29 22:46
MinceR	DaemonFC: you totally need an application for that	Jul 29 22:46
MinceR	and of course, to install "Get Get Microsoft Office", i will first need to install "Get Get Get Microsoft Office"	Jul 29 22:48
XRevan86	"Oracle Get OpenOffice"	Jul 29 22:48
abeNd-org	libreoffice5 is sounding promising, it is supposed to have much better filters for opening msoffice docx type formats?	Jul 29 22:49
abeNd-org	i think that is the main issue a business would have when using libreoffice vs msoffice, document formatting gets butchered	Jul 29 22:49
MinceR	that's a losing battle	Jul 29 22:50
MinceR	m$ will just keep changing the format	Jul 29 22:50
MinceR	also, the whole paradigm is broken	Jul 29 22:50
DaemonFC	Apparently, one command in the Mac OS terminal app gets you added to the sudoers file without needing a password. :)	Jul 29 22:55
DaemonFC	In OS X 10.10.	Jul 29 22:55
DaemonFC	It bypasses the "system file protection" feature, and even enables sudo rm -rf /	Jul 29 22:55
abeNd-org	DaemonFC: & i love how the apple users are such "apple products are perfect & have no security issues" zealots, even these days	Jul 29 22:56
MinceR	yeah, that's crApple "security" for you	Jul 29 22:56
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DaemonFC	http://www.theregister.co.uk/2015/07/22/os_x_root_hole/	Jul 29 23:01
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.theregister.co.uk \| Get root on an OS X 10.10 Mac: The exploit is so trivial it fits in a tweet • The Register [ http://ur1.ca/n7k00 ]		Jul 29 23:01
DaemonFC	Ryan Farmer	Jul 29 23:07
DaemonFC	Just now ·	Jul 29 23:07
DaemonFC	Apparently, Apple may have failed to realize the security implications of allowing arbitrary files to be written to for "debugging" purposes (derp!) and they may have even accidentally fixed it in the 10.11 beta as part of a code cleanup, having never realized the security problem they introduced into 10.10 in the first place.	Jul 29 23:07
DaemonFC	Programmers this stupid should never have been allowed to graduate from community college. Where do they get these people?	Jul 29 23:07
DaemonFC	https://www.sektioneins.de/en/blog/15-07-07-dyld_print_to_file_lpe.html	Jul 29 23:07
DaemonFC	"When Apple changed the dynamic linker code for OS X 10.10 to support the new DYLD_PRINT_TO_FILE environment variable they added the following code directly to the _main function of dyld. As you can see from this code the value of the environment variable is directly used as filename for the opened or created logging file.	Jul 29 23:07
DaemonFC	The problem with this code is that it does not come with any safeguards that are required when adding new environment variables to the dynamic linker. Normally for security reasons the dynamic linker should reject all environvent variables passed to it in case of restricted files. This is automatically handled when new environment variables are added to the processDyldEnvironmentVariable() function. However in the DYLD_PRINT_TO_FILE case	Jul 29 23:07
DaemonFC	the code was directly added to the _main function of dyld.	Jul 29 23:07
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.sektioneins.de \| OS X 10.10 DYLD_PRINT_TO_FILE Local Privilege Escalation Vulnerability \| SektionEins GmbH [ http://ur1.ca/nas4h ]		Jul 29 23:07
DaemonFC	Because of this oversight dyld will accept DYLD_PRINT_TO_FILE even for restricted binaries, like SUID root binaries. This is obviously a problem, because it allows the creation or opening (for writing) of any file in the filesystem. And because the log file is never closed by dyld and the file is not openes with the close on exec flag the opened file descriptor is inherited by child processes of SUID binaries. This can be easily exploited	Jul 29 23:07
DaemonFC	for privilege escalation.	Jul 29 23:07
DaemonFC	Apple has fixed this vulnerability in the OS X 10.11 beta by moving the code for the DYLD_PRINT_TO_FILE (and another new environment variable) to the processDyldEnvironmentVariable() function, which automatically protects them. This might however be the result of a code cleanup and not based on realizing the security implications. However if this is the result of a security fix then Apple has once again shown how unsupported their current	Jul 29 23:07
DaemonFC	versions become the moment a new beta is in development."	Jul 29 23:07
MinceR	https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9YuNpOYfasA	Jul 29 23:15
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.youtube.com \| Thought he played it off well - YouTube [ http://ur1.ca/nas8n ]		Jul 29 23:15
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DaemonFC	J. R. Bob Dobbs (formerly ZOMG Pink Ponies) says:	Jul 29 23:20
DaemonFC	The only people more bonehead stupid than the people writing Apple software are the people using it.	Jul 29 23:20
abeNd-org	were starting to get more customers that love apple	Jul 29 23:22
abeNd-org	you can Active directory integrate them, but most of them don't want to, so you have to jump through so many extra hoops to support them, manually map printers, manually map drives, manually install applications, & of course the osx password is usually blank, or the user forgot what they set it to	Jul 29 23:23
abeNd-org	i really dislike working with osx in the enterprise	Jul 29 23:23
abeNd-org	there are some 3rd party addons that could possibly make it bareable, but they arent cheap, so customers don't want them.	Jul 29 23:24
MinceR	AD is horribly crap, too	Jul 29 23:27
MinceR	i had that POS forget my password	Jul 29 23:27
schestowitz	https://twitter.com/freedomgirl2011/status/626506598148632576	Jul 29 23:27
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@freedomgirl2011: The #SamDubose police report is full of falsehoods from Ray Tensing's colleagues: http://t.co/oGQBQSnFar @OccupyTheBronx @schestowitz #OWS		Jul 29 23:27
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights--> www.slate.com \| The Sam Dubose police report is full of falsehoods from Ray Tensing's colleagues.		Jul 29 23:27
DaemonFC	Sounds like the "forgotten password" isn't a problem. Just use the "feature" that allows you to write to files you don't have permission to access, and add yourself as a sudoer, and then run sudo passwd <user> <new password>. B-)	Jul 29 23:28
MinceR	it was on winblows though	Jul 29 23:28
MinceR	and on systems i had no access to	Jul 29 23:28
MinceR	(nor did i have interest in gaining access to them)	Jul 29 23:28
abeNd-org	MinceR: cant say ive ever had a well maintained AD or eDirectory install have issues with passwords, but i have seen horribly maintained eDir & AD setups have many problems	Jul 29 23:28
MinceR	i don't know if it was well maintained	Jul 29 23:29
MinceR	i don't know if it is even possible to maintain well	Jul 29 23:29
abeNd-org	most arent	Jul 29 23:29
abeNd-org	there are powershell scripts to run for maintenance, or in edir's case linux scripts of your choice	Jul 29 23:29
abeNd-org	especially easy to muck it up if you have multiple locations & don't bother doing any setup beyond the default	Jul 29 23:30
abeNd-org	they give you just enough rope to set up the basics, & then hang yourself if you dont do anything further	Jul 29 23:31
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Carrier adds Arduino and MCU hooks to Zynq	Jul 29 23:31
TweetTuxMachines	ARM/FPGA COM http://t.co/Eq7jeiJhJ7	Jul 29 23:31
TweetTuxMachines	(www.tuxmachines.org)	Jul 29 23:31
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/nasg6	Jul 29 23:31
MinceR	:>	Jul 29 23:31
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org \| Carrier adds Arduino and MCU hooks to Zynq ARM/FPGA COM \| Tux Machines		Jul 29 23:31
DaemonFC	The thing about trying to run scripts in Mac OS is that they're using an ancient version of bash that has lots of known bugs, and is missing features that allow you to write shorter scripts that do the same function, so you have to rewrite your scripts to make them work on OS X, you have to avoid using any feature added to bash in the last 8 years, and you have to know about several dozen bugs in the features their does support that have	Jul 29 23:32
DaemonFC	subsequently been patched on Linux, because you could try to do something perfectly legal and have unintended consequences on Mac. :)	Jul 29 23:32
abeNd-org	no clue about running scripts on mac, i try not to work on them, but even though i am the biggest apple hater in the office, I seem to keep getting the tickets to work on them	Jul 29 23:32
abeNd-org	we even sent some people to official apple training in NYC, but do they get the tickets...nooo, i do...	Jul 29 23:34
MinceR	probably out of spite	Jul 29 23:34
DaemonFC	I'm lucky that anyone who brings me an Apple computer is going to leave with the advice "Sell it for whatever you can get and buy a device that works.".	Jul 29 23:34
MinceR	good advice, though it's getting harder to find a device that works	Jul 29 23:36
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Will an upgrade to Windows 10 on a dual-boot	Jul 29 23:36
TweetTuxMachines	system mess GRUB up? http://t.co/Tk2UIsuijA	Jul 29 23:36
TweetTuxMachines	(www.tuxmachines.org)	Jul 29 23:36
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org \| Will an upgrade to Windows 10 on a dual-boot system mess GRUB up? \| Tux Machines		Jul 29 23:36
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/nasit	Jul 29 23:36
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines An Everyday Linux User Review Of Android x86 -	Jul 29 23:36
TweetTuxMachines	Release 4.4 r3 http://t.co/RTnYhjq99d	Jul 29 23:36
TweetTuxMachines	(www.tuxmachines.org)	Jul 29 23:36
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org \| An Everyday Linux User Review Of Android x86 - Release 4.4 r3 \| Tux Machines		Jul 29 23:36
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/nasiu	Jul 29 23:36
abeNd-org	anyways, time to go play in traffic	Jul 29 23:39
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DaemonFC	MinceR, My new Galaxy S6 has been a fairly pleasant experience.	Jul 29 23:39
DaemonFC	The new firmware update seems to have enabled faster LTE support.	Jul 29 23:40
MinceR	that's nice, considering that the S6 is probably the worst phone in the S series	Jul 29 23:40
DaemonFC	How so?	Jul 29 23:45
DaemonFC	Yeah, it has an integrated battery and no SD card support.	Jul 29 23:46
DaemonFC	Then again, that was already true with my LG G2.	Jul 29 23:46
MinceR	they gave up the removable battery and the memory card slot for the sake of a pointless, impractical, fragile fingerprint collector as the back	Jul 29 23:47
DaemonFC	I never really noticed or cared. With a phone, most of the stuff you do involves apps and pushes the actual computing to another computer somewhere over the internet.	Jul 29 23:47
MinceR	and a frame that blocks radiowaves, in a device where the main point is allegedly communicating via radiowaves	Jul 29 23:47
DaemonFC	So, with the way this model works, you have an optimal amount of storage and then you reach a point of diminishing returns.	Jul 29 23:47
MinceR	all this to satisfy the hordes of the crying iDiots who wouldn't buy it anyway because it doesn't have the crApple logo on it	Jul 29 23:48
DaemonFC	On the Apple side though, the apps anre firmware are way bigger, so having a phone with only 16 GB of local storage isn't even funny anymore.	Jul 29 23:48
MinceR	what's worse, apparently they'll fuck up the note series in the same way	Jul 29 23:48
MinceR	also, LG fixed that in the G3	Jul 29 23:49
MinceR	and kept it that way in the G4	Jul 29 23:49
DaemonFC	Yeah. I was looking at the LG G4.	Jul 29 23:50
MinceR	so was i	Jul 29 23:50
DaemonFC	The better processor on the S6 was what ended up deciding that one for me.	Jul 29 23:50
MinceR	but i'm hoping they'll add a usb-c port in the G5	Jul 29 23:50
MinceR	or something	Jul 29 23:50
MinceR	so it will be a better replacement for my note II LTE, for which i have a Smart Dock	Jul 29 23:51
DaemonFC	Some of these apps are pretty slow. It's probably an issue of developers not optimizing them. Still, having a faster processor that can offload background tasks onto additional cores can only help things.	Jul 29 23:51
DaemonFC	MinceR, I compared some basic apps between the installed size on Android 5.x and on iOS, and the iOS ones were sometimes three times bigger.	Jul 29 23:52
DaemonFC	So, it's pretty clear that the first thing the base model iPhone is going to do is run out of storage and tell you that you have to delete a bunch of your stuff if you want to continue.	Jul 29 23:52
DaemonFC	Hmm. I found some change in the couch. Beer money.	Jul 30 00:37
DaemonFC	Okay, bad beer, but even bad beer is beer.	Jul 30 00:38
schestowitz	http://www.zdnet.com/article/telstra-discovers-pacnet-security-breach-after-takeover/#!	Jul 30 00:50
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.zdnet.com \| Telstra discovers Pacnet security breach after takeover \| ZDNet [ http://ur1.ca/natdv ]		Jul 30 00:50
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schestowitz	https://twitter.com/Morality124/status/626557907778318336	Jul 30 02:02
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@Morality124: @schestowitz Have they name-dropped the branded bugs yet?		Jul 30 02:02
schestowitz	not yet	Jul 30 02:02
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DaemonFC	Well, I stumbled onto a bug in Firefox that happens when it's running on Windows 10.	Jul 30 02:32
DaemonFC	Sometimes the window goes totally black with just the titlebar and the window controls visible.	Jul 30 02:32
MinceR	i wonder why such a bug would exist	Jul 30 02:32
DaemonFC	Seems that you have to minimize it and then restore it to make the page visible again.	Jul 30 02:32
MinceR	cough https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/AARD_code cough	Jul 30 02:33
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-en.wikipedia.org \| AARD code - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia		Jul 30 02:33
DaemonFC	Seems to happen most often on Facebook.	Jul 30 02:35
DaemonFC	The Edge browser is unbelievably shitty.	Jul 30 02:35
DaemonFC	Internet Explorer was better.	Jul 30 02:35
DaemonFC	Edge - No add-on support, they removed Tracking Protection Lists, the right click menu has three entries. "Select all", "Inspect element", and "View source". No back option.	Jul 30 02:37
MinceR	it's just a new name for ie	Jul 30 02:37
DaemonFC	I'm constantly moving back and forward with the right click menu in Firefox.	Jul 30 02:37
DaemonFC	No, it's not just IE. IE was better.	Jul 30 02:37
MinceR	alt+left and alt+right might help :>	Jul 30 02:37
MinceR	or the extra mouse button	Jul 30 02:37
MinceR	consider how averse m$ is to spending resources on developing software	Jul 30 02:38
MinceR	they much prefer to spend it on lawyers, ads and bribes	Jul 30 02:38
MinceR	to them, the obvious thing to do is to rebrand something, rearrange the deck chairs and claim it's a totally new product	Jul 30 02:39
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oiaohm	schestowitz: presuming that unarmed policeman are safe is kinda wrong. Unarmed people would not get shot in crimes if the theory held.	Jul 30 11:01
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oiaohm	schestowitz: http://electronics.howstuffworks.com/gadgets/other-gadgets/taser-shotgun-shell.htm This tech is interesting.	Jul 30 11:09
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines i.MX6 hacker board features M.2 and wide-range	Jul 30 11:53
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Free software advocates heckle town of Pesaro	Jul 30 11:53
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MinceR	oiaohm: yes, i know, like their idols at m$, the only thing that matters to these ricers is that it must be faster	Jul 30 13:15
MinceR	(even if they give everything up for the sake of performance and then performance still sucks)	Jul 30 13:15
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schestowitz	oiaohm: wow	Jul 30 13:27
schestowitz	how horrid	Jul 30 13:27
schestowitz	[11:01] <oiaohm> schestowitz: presuming that unarmed policeman are safe is kinda wrong. Unarmed people would not get shot in crimes if the theory held.	Jul 30 13:28
schestowitz	if citizens assume that the police are armed, they're more likely to arm themselves	Jul 30 13:28
schestowitz	it's an arms race	Jul 30 13:28
cubexyz	redhat had it's 20 year anniversary this year	Jul 30 13:30
cubexyz	I don't think anyone noticed :)	Jul 30 13:30
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Remembering Nóirín Plunkett	Jul 30 13:31
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Ubuntu MATE Will Offer a Choice Between Ubuntu	Jul 30 13:31
TweetTuxMachines	Software Center and App Grid	Jul 30 13:31
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Parsix 8.0 Test 2 Is Based on Debian Testing	Jul 30 13:31
TweetTuxMachines	and GNOME 3.16 http://t.co/baJeFFcFcK	Jul 30 13:31
TweetTuxMachines	(www.tuxmachines.org)	Jul 30 13:31
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oiaohm	schestowitz: yes its an arms race. Problem here UK has had unarmed police for long time has not prevent them being shot.	Jul 30 13:42
MinceR	the harms race	Jul 30 13:46
schestowitz	https://twitter.com/ppetrovdotnet/status/626734919356653568	Jul 30 13:47
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@ppetrovdotnet: @schestowitz quite poor ... hope not someone first intro to linux in 2015 :(		Jul 30 13:47
schestowitz	oiaohm: doesn't happen much	Jul 30 13:47
schestowitz	it's HUGE news here when police get shot	Jul 30 13:47
schestowitz	two female officers got shot in Manchester about 3 years ago	Jul 30 13:47
schestowitz	it was national news for like a year almost...	Jul 30 13:47
schestowitz	That's not to say that non-cops never get shot	Jul 30 13:48
schestowitz	but it's rare	Jul 30 13:48
schestowitz	crime stats here probably differ a lot from US	Jul 30 13:48
schestowitz	not many fatalities	Jul 30 13:48
schestowitz	drugs, breakins, antisocial behaviour (hardly crime), hate crime, sometimes a stabbing	Jul 30 13:48
schestowitz	or arson/vandalism	Jul 30 13:48
oiaohm	schestowitz: the problem is the class of arms race.	Jul 30 13:49
oiaohm	Currently majority of the arm race has been around making lethal weapons cheap/affordable.	Jul 30 13:49
oiaohm	schestowitz: http://crimepreventionresearchcenter.org/wp-content/uploads/2014/10/Report-on-gun-related-suicides-and-crime-for-the-Australian-Parliament-Rev.pdf This was a report done for Australia.	Jul 30 13:50
schestowitz	does autralia have a gun crime epidemic?	Jul 30 13:50
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oiaohm	Basically it not safe to tell people to act passively it does not work.	Jul 30 13:50
schestowitz	i have not been paying attention to aussie figures, probably because they're not newsworthy	Jul 30 13:50
oiaohm	Australia does have gun crime problems.	Jul 30 13:50
schestowitz	how many fatalities?	Jul 30 13:50
schestowitz	exc. suicides?	Jul 30 13:50
oiaohm	Reduced when laws for commiting crime using guns increased.	Jul 30 13:50
oiaohm	suicide numbers stayed about the same after gun banning but guns disappeared as common method.	Jul 30 13:51
oiaohm	Yes overdoes replaced guns.	Jul 30 13:51
schestowitz	how many fatalities per year per million people?	Jul 30 13:51
schestowitz	Maybe 1?	Jul 30 13:51
schestowitz	In the Uk it's something like 1 or 2	Jul 30 13:51
cubexyz	is crime getting worse?	Jul 30 13:52
schestowitz	in some places it got better	Jul 30 13:52
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oiaohm	schestowitz: Homicides using guns dropped.	Jul 30 13:52
schestowitz	manchester used to have a gun crime issue around the 80s I think, in certain areas with many immigrants	Jul 30 13:52
oiaohm	Robberies using guns after the law cam in increased.	Jul 30 13:52
schestowitz	oiaohm: it's US it's still going up	Jul 30 13:52
oiaohm	But that was mostly until places got licensed secuirty.	Jul 30 13:52
schestowitz	maybe plateaued this year last i saw the graph	Jul 30 13:52
oiaohm	Then the numbers went back down.	Jul 30 13:52
schestowitz	economic downturn won't help	Jul 30 13:53
oiaohm	The thing that the Australian numbers tell us is we need weapons. Preferable of the non lethal class that are affordable and have range.	Jul 30 13:55
MinceR	there's no "non lethal", only "less lethal" or "less likely to be lethal"	Jul 30 13:56
oiaohm	MinceR: there is a non lethal but its big and expensive(so not that functional) tazer/differator combination.	Jul 30 13:58
cubexyz	there was that spray on foam gun	Jul 30 13:58
MinceR	can't that give you a lethal heart attack?	Jul 30 13:58
MinceR	or just kill your pacemaker	Jul 30 13:58
cubexyz	never seen anyone use it though	Jul 30 13:58
oiaohm	MinceR: that is why the combination.	Jul 30 13:59
oiaohm	MinceR: if it kills you pacemaker it contains the system to deal with that.	Jul 30 13:59
MinceR	oh, defibrillator	Jul 30 13:59
MinceR	interesting	Jul 30 13:59
oiaohm	There is also the radio freq that happens to turn all you pain sensors all that is completely useless for those that are extreamlly high on drugs.	Jul 30 14:00
oiaohm	But anyone else will stop tracks as they pass out.	Jul 30 14:01
schestowitz	https://twitter.com/BobSummerwill/status/626738465879658496	Jul 30 14:01
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@BobSummerwill: @schestowitz It does not surprise me that you are all over this. Horrifying situation with these multiple 'trade deals' on the brew		Jul 30 14:01
schestowitz	follow @glynmoody	Jul 30 14:01
MinceR	microwave?	Jul 30 14:01
MinceR	that can cook your eyes	Jul 30 14:01
oiaohm	MinceR: its a lower freq	Jul 30 14:01
oiaohm	Something completely strange that we react to.	Jul 30 14:01
oiaohm	MinceR: problem is it not very directional.	Jul 30 14:03
oiaohm	MinceR: so firing it you will most likely take everyone out.	Jul 30 14:03
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Review: Ubuntu 15.04 http://t.co/Bwsdlqud7k	Jul 30 14:04
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Ubuntu 15.04 On The Tegra X1 Yields Even Better	Jul 30 14:04
TweetTuxMachines	Results, More Benchmarks http://t.co/5JHmUwz9zT	Jul 30 14:04
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Parsix 8.0 Test 2 Is Based on Debian Testing	Jul 30 14:06
TweetTuxMachines	and GNOME 3.16 http://t.co/vxG6N9UkWS	Jul 30 14:06
TweetTuxMachines	(news.softpedia.com)	Jul 30 14:06
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Ubuntu MATE Will Offer a Choice Between Ubuntu	Jul 30 14:06
TweetTuxMachines	Software Center and App Grid	Jul 30 14:06
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oiaohm	MinceR: the microwave one is directional.	Jul 30 14:07
oiaohm	MinceR: and harmful.	Jul 30 14:08
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MinceR	http://blog.pluralsight.com/give-me-those-old-time-programmers	Jul 30 14:54
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oiaohm	MinceR: true but programmers building with small open source boards today have to work to same limits.	Jul 30 15:03
oiaohm	MinceR: arduino class items come to mind.	Jul 30 15:04
MinceR	most software is still shit	Jul 30 15:04
oiaohm	Even the old programmers made some crappy programs.	Jul 30 15:06
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Parsix 8.0 Test 2 Is Based on Debian Testing	Jul 30 15:06
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines i.MX6 hacker board features M.2 and wide-range	Jul 30 15:07
MinceR	now crap has become the norm	Jul 30 15:07
TweetTuxMachines	power http://t.co/A3f0gUh7m7 (linuxgizmos.com)	Jul 30 15:07
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oiaohm	It was cases of nasa with enforced quality control that made most of the impressive stuff.	Jul 30 15:07
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines ROSA R6 "Desktop Fresh" Screencast and	Jul 30 15:07
TweetTuxMachines	Screenshots http://t.co/p1r0d803bO	Jul 30 15:07
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines KDE Started Working At Fiber, A New QML-Based	Jul 30 15:09
TweetTuxMachines	Internet Browser http://t.co/Q9PHE67Lfk	Jul 30 15:09
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Ubuntu 15.04 On The Tegra X1 Yields Even Better	Jul 30 15:10
TweetTuxMachines	Results, More Benchmarks http://t.co/uLB40YQkQE	Jul 30 15:10
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Open Source Usage in Large Enterprises	Jul 30 15:12
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines OpenDaylight Project announces new members	Jul 30 15:12
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Porting Qt applications to Wayland	Jul 30 15:21
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines CoreOS CEO: Security is fundamental	Jul 30 15:40
TweetTuxMachines	http://t.co/zjX1VcDUkV (www.infoworld.com)	Jul 30 15:40
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Linux 4.2 May Finish Fixing Up Radeon Audio	Jul 30 16:19
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Must-Know Linux Commands For New Users	Jul 30 16:19
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Systemd Is Launching Its Own Conference	Jul 30 16:19
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Kodi 15 Brings XBMC Media Player to Android	Jul 30 16:19
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abeNd-org	kodi, meh, plex for the win!	Jul 30 16:40
schestowitz	https://joindiaspora.com/posts/6405195	Jul 30 16:51
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: #Microsoft 's Mouthpiece Mary Branscombe Tries to Shoot Down Free Software, But Fails Miserably http://techrights.org/2015/07/30/fud-from-mary-branscombe/ #freesw #cbs #zdnet		Jul 30 16:51
schestowitz	"just today i have been written that any software will eventually become free, because otherwise there would appear an analogue of that software which is free, and the first won’t survive competition with the second."	Jul 30 16:51
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schestowitz	https://spyurk.am/posts/1574387	Jul 30 16:52
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schestowitz	Possibly true	Jul 30 16:52
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schestowitz	https://joindiaspora.com/posts/6404420	Jul 30 16:58
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schestowitz	No, just Tories being themselves. I was born in an era when everything was forbidden.""	Jul 30 16:58
schestowitz	Westminster? :-)	Jul 30 16:58
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schestowitz	https://joindiaspora.com/posts/6404540	Jul 30 17:05
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: A lot of #police in #manchester has been substituted with 'gentle' bouncers (usually man and woman) called PCSOs. Nonviolent, better.		Jul 30 17:05
schestowitz	"Non-violent societies have non-violent policemen. One is a consequence of the other."	Jul 30 17:05
schestowitz	https://joindiaspora.com/posts/6404528	Jul 30 17:08
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: Suing someone for broken wrist after punching him/her? It gets worse. Suing for bleeding on you after your assault http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2015/07/29/ferguson-prisoner-beaten-by-cops-has-won-his-appeal.html		Jul 30 17:08
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schestowitz	"If it looks like a totalitarian State, hears like a totalitarian State and smells like a totalitarian State, it might be a totalitarian State."	Jul 30 17:08
schestowitz	Makes even Mexico look safe...	Jul 30 17:09
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schestowitz	> x	Jul 30 17:19
schestowitz	> http://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2015/07/review-windows-10-is-the-best-version-yet-once-the-bugs-get-fixed/	Jul 30 17:19
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-arstechnica.com \| Review: Windows 10 is the best version yet—once the bugs get fixed \| Ars Technica [ http://ur1.ca/nb2p5 ]		Jul 30 17:19
schestowitz	>	Jul 30 17:19
schestowitz	> "This versions is the $superlative yet" formula	Jul 30 17:19
schestowitz	Spam: #microsoft Peter ‘reviews’ Microsoft #vista10 http://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2015/07/review-windows-10-is-the-best-version-yet-once-the-bugs-get-fixed/ that’s like Chrysler reviewing Chrysler	Jul 30 17:19
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schestowitz	https://twitter.com/FrancisJeffrey7/status/626795191110926336	Jul 30 17:49
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@FrancisJeffrey7: @schestowitz Global "insiders" feeding on #snitchocracy & #snatchocracy, will not soon give up fight for their illegitimate power & profit.		Jul 30 17:49
schestowitz	https://twitter.com/SleepyPenguin1/status/626796844052381696	Jul 30 17:50
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@SleepyPenguin1: Does the Kremlin have a new way of hacking the West ? @ruskin147 @schestowitz http://t.co/Br4I0spUde		Jul 30 17:50
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schestowitz	hypocrites and crackers on both sides	Jul 30 17:51
schestowitz	https://twitter.com/SleepyPenguin1/status/626797584347213825	Jul 30 17:54
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@SleepyPenguin1: @schestowitz @ruskin147 Yes. Does look a bit like that...		Jul 30 17:54
schestowitz	That's like a Kremlin-based firm whining over NSA.... in this case, the US-based one also Chinophobic (for years now). And FP=Pentagon PR.	Jul 30 17:55
schestowitz	https://twitter.com/brokenrib/status/626798275379662848	Jul 30 17:56
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@brokenrib: @schestowitz have you send Maafra21? Documenting PPH stemming directly from 19th early 20th century eugenics movement. Sterilizing folks...		Jul 30 17:56
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schestowitz	https://twitter.com/brokenrib/status/626798571505872896	Jul 30 17:57
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@brokenrib: @schestowitz sry it's @maafa21		Jul 30 17:57
schestowitz	https://twitter.com/SleepyPenguin1/status/626798682239827968	Jul 30 17:57
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@SleepyPenguin1: @schestowitz @ruskin147 Yes...		Jul 30 17:57
schestowitz	Problem is, #china and #russia oppressive enough to scare potential dissent, domestic complaints over cracking	Jul 30 17:58
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Webconverger 31 Kiosk OS Is Now Using Firefox	Jul 30 18:10
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines LibreOffice 4.4.5 "Still" Arrives with Over 80	Jul 30 18:10
TweetTuxMachines	Fixes http://t.co/61KyCwuOlH	Jul 30 18:10
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines HP ProBook 455 G2 Ubuntu review: It's	Jul 30 18:10
TweetTuxMachines	dirt-cheap, but this budget laptop may not be	Jul 30 18:10
TweetTuxMachines	your dream come true http://t.co/JNyVxOqX1A	Jul 30 18:10
TweetTuxMachines	(www.tuxmachines.org)	Jul 30 18:10
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines 10 Job Interview Questions for Linux System	Jul 30 18:21
TweetTuxMachines	Administrators http://t.co/ivNQBdpjos	Jul 30 18:21
TweetTuxMachines	(www.linux.com)	Jul 30 18:21
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.linux.com \| 10 Job Interview Questions for Linux System Administrators \| Linux.com		Jul 30 18:21
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Elive 2.6.8 beta released	Jul 30 18:21
TweetTuxMachines	http://t.co/rzxPurkDaI (www.elivecd.org)	Jul 30 18:21
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Kodi 15 Brings XBMC Media Player to Android	Jul 30 18:21
TweetTuxMachines	http://t.co/2SOIu6ZiKJ (www.linux.com)	Jul 30 18:21
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines HP ProBook 455 G2 Ubuntu review: It's	Jul 30 18:29
TweetTuxMachines	dirt-cheap, but this budget laptop may not be	Jul 30 18:29
TweetTuxMachines	your dream come true http://t.co/twf1HSERf2	Jul 30 18:29
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Leftovers: SysAdmins/Servers	Jul 30 18:29
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schestowitz	https://twitter.com/karounos/status/626818209920995329	Jul 30 19:16
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@karounos: “@schestowitz: Granite Geek: Open Source #Hardware http://t.co/0rT6qvFEo5 #sharing designs, modding” @eellak @DSpinellis @adeligia		Jul 30 19:16
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schestowitz	https://twitter.com/karounos/status/626818673869725696	Jul 30 19:17
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@karounos: “@schestowitz: Open Source #FPGA Toolchain Builds CPU http://t.co/Fykrk4Ek8s” @eellak @DSpinellis @adeligia @kranidiotis		Jul 30 19:17
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schestowitz	https://twitter.com/cheekbyname/status/626820734871076864	Jul 30 19:27
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@cheekbyname: @schestowitz Running fine alongside my Debian Jessie install (grub), although they're on separate drives and it boots off the Debian one.		Jul 30 19:27
schestowitz	co-existing on CPU, not a hard drive :-)	Jul 30 19:27
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schestowitz	https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/626823245895991296	Jul 30 19:39
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz: When people love their precious "bible" more than they love people they may actually follow commands from the bible and murder people		Jul 30 19:39
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schestowitz	https://twitter.com/Winterbay_/status/626834512320811008	Jul 30 20:38
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@Winterbay_: @LadyKorenwolf @schestowitz I'm always confused as to why they don't shoot in legs or similar rather than fatal body areas...		Jul 30 20:38
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Elive 2.6.8 beta released	Jul 30 20:38
TweetTuxMachines	http://t.co/0RLbriq3Sa (www.tuxmachines.org)	Jul 30 20:38
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines DragonFlyBSD Has Full-Acceleration Now Working	Jul 30 20:38
TweetTuxMachines	For Intel Broadwell Graphics	Jul 30 20:38
TweetTuxMachines	http://t.co/G6DfyL5L3b (www.tuxmachines.org)	Jul 30 20:38
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schestowitz	The shot-at is witness/evidence, so better dead if abused	Jul 30 20:38
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Links 30/7/2015: Apache Spark on Z System,	Jul 30 20:38
TweetTuxMachines	Elive 2.6.8 Beta http://t.co/SF4A4cwR1C	Jul 30 20:38
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Security Leftovers http://t.co/M0y4KLd9wS	Jul 30 20:38
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Leftovers: OSS http://t.co/dVaCXZIu3b	Jul 30 20:39
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines today's howtos http://t.co/gK1RKByTOo	Jul 30 20:39
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Leftovers: Software http://t.co/h3F4Miy0kn	Jul 30 20:49
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines today's leftovers http://t.co/vgxBaA9HsW	Jul 30 20:49
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines We're happy to announce the general	Jul 30 20:49
TweetTuxMachines	availability of Oracle Linux 6 Update 7, the	Jul 30 20:49
TweetTuxMachines	seventh update release for Oracl...	Jul 30 20:49
TweetTuxMachines	https://t.co/OPLPVqwQot (joindiaspora.com)	Jul 30 20:49
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Announcing the general availability of Oracle	Jul 30 21:04
TweetTuxMachines	Linux 6.7 https://t.co/vM6bm3k2Xp	Jul 30 21:04
TweetTuxMachines	(blogs.oracle.com)	Jul 30 21:04
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-blogs.oracle.com \| Announcing the general availability of Oracle Linux 6.7 (Oracle's Linux Blog)		Jul 30 21:04
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Ubuntu MATE 15.04 Alpha 2 Officially Lands	Jul 30 21:04
TweetTuxMachines	Without Ubuntu Software Center	Jul 30 21:04
TweetTuxMachines	http://t.co/VnGqc7fMbg (news.softpedia.com)	Jul 30 21:04
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Fedora's Rawhide Kernel Adds In KDBUS Support,	Jul 30 21:04
TweetTuxMachines	Ready For Testing http://t.co/NJCkumfPuH	Jul 30 21:04
TweetTuxMachines	(www.phoronix.com)	Jul 30 21:04
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Gnumeric 1.12.23 Open Source Spreadsheet Editor	Jul 30 21:05
TweetTuxMachines	Brings Fuzzed File Hardening	Jul 30 21:05
TweetTuxMachines	http://t.co/LWJV8Ow5rm (news.softpedia.com)	Jul 30 21:05
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DaemonFC	http://www.theregister.co.uk/2015/07/29/windows_10_bug_alert_start_menu_breaks_512_entries/	Jul 30 21:14
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.theregister.co.uk \| MORE Windows 10 bugs! Too many Start menu apps BREAK it • The Register [ http://ur1.ca/nb51f ]		Jul 30 21:14
DaemonFC	If you have more than 512 entries in the Windows 10 start menu, it has a thermonuclear meltdown.	Jul 30 21:14
DaemonFC	Removing some apps won't fix the start menu once you've triggered the bug.	Jul 30 21:15
DaemonFC	https://www.stardock.com/products/start10/	Jul 30 21:17
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.stardock.com \| Start10, the first Windows 10 Start menu alternative! [ http://ur1.ca/nb52q ]		Jul 30 21:17
schestowitz	https://twitter.com/Winterbay_/status/626847645458432000	Jul 30 21:17
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@Winterbay_: @schestowitz @LadyKorenwolf That says an awful lot about the mindset of the shooters and it is a very sad picture it paints.		Jul 30 21:17
DaemonFC	It looks like the replacement Start Menu business will keep booming for Stardock since the one in Windows 10 is garbage.	Jul 30 21:18
schestowitz	do you use that drek?	Jul 30 21:18
DaemonFC	It's on this computer.	Jul 30 21:19
MinceR	:>	Jul 30 21:19
MinceR	can't you just disinfect it?	Jul 30 21:19
DaemonFC	HexChat doesn't appear to know what Windows 10 is.	Jul 30 21:19
DaemonFC	It still reports "Windows 8".	Jul 30 21:19
DaemonFC	Windows 10 has broken Firefox to the point where it's not even usable.	Jul 30 21:19
MinceR	why does it even care?	Jul 30 21:19
DaemonFC	MinceR, It works fine, but if you have a script or something that checks what OS it's on, it'll say Windows 8.	Jul 30 21:19
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Samsung docs detail Linux TRIM bug and fix	Jul 30 21:31
TweetTuxMachines	http://t.co/Eupa9nPeHt (techreport.com)	Jul 30 21:31
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Upgrading Fedora Easily To Mesa 10.7/Git	Jul 30 21:31
TweetTuxMachines	http://t.co/jJrO7wJ8W3 (www.phoronix.com)	Jul 30 21:31
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines More Reliable Upgrades Hoped For With Fedora 23	Jul 30 21:31
TweetTuxMachines	http://t.co/wViPrIiemV (www.phoronix.com)	Jul 30 21:31
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.phoronix.com \| More Reliable Upgrades Hoped For With Fedora 23 - Phoronix		Jul 30 21:31
DaemonFC	Ryan Farmer	Jul 30 21:36
DaemonFC	Just now ·	Jul 30 21:36
DaemonFC	Apparently, the Windows 10 Hangover is still unfolding.	Jul 30 21:36
DaemonFC	The new error message from the installer is making the rounds as a new internet meme.	Jul 30 21:36
DaemonFC	"Something happened. Something happened."	Jul 30 21:36
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Motorola launches 3 new Android phones with	Jul 30 21:38
TweetTuxMachines	'amazing value' http://t.co/IMu2yArP9h	Jul 30 21:38
TweetTuxMachines	(www.computerworld.com)	Jul 30 21:38
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Gionee Pioneer P2M With Android 5.1 Lollipop,	Jul 30 21:38
TweetTuxMachines	3000mAh Battery Launched at Rs. 6,999	Jul 30 21:38
TweetTuxMachines	http://t.co/S858nuh2Sm (gadgets.ndtv.com)	Jul 30 21:38
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-gadgets.ndtv.com \| Gionee Pioneer P2M With Android 5.1 Lollipop, 3000mAh Battery Launched at Rs. 6,999 \| NDTV Gadgets		Jul 30 21:38
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Samsung Galaxy Folder Android Flip Phone With	Jul 30 21:39
TweetTuxMachines	3.8-Inch Display Launched	Jul 30 21:39
TweetTuxMachines	http://t.co/6ljOeyCovb (gadgets.ndtv.com)	Jul 30 21:39
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-gadgets.ndtv.com \| Samsung Galaxy Folder Android Flip Phone With 3.8-Inch Display Launched \| NDTV Gadgets		Jul 30 21:39
DaemonFC	Ryan Farmer	Jul 30 21:43
DaemonFC	Just now · Spotify ·	Jul 30 21:43
DaemonFC	This should be the official Windows 10 song. "There's something happening here. What is is ain't exactly clear."	Jul 30 21:43
DaemonFC	For What It's Worth, a song by Buffalo Springfield	Jul 30 21:43
DaemonFC	err, *it	Jul 30 21:43
abeNd-org	classic	Jul 30 21:44
MinceR	:)	Jul 30 21:44
msb_	Every "non-lethal" pain-ray weapon that I've read about works by heating the surface of the skin. So it will heat the surface of the corneas, "hard-boil" them, and blind people permanently.	Jul 30 21:48
MinceR	that's what i thought too	Jul 30 21:48
msb_	One of the anti-Linux trolls in comp.os.linux.advocacy works with these weapons, or at least wrote a detailed article about them in a military magazine.	Jul 30 21:49
schestowitz	https://twitter.com/jwildeboer/status/626857852825665536	Jul 30 21:53
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@jwildeboer: .@schestowitz only if you think MSFT == RHT. And http://t.co/pjPlQr9XWj is open about being a Red Hat project. So why you think it's bogus?		Jul 30 21:53
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schestowitz	I just think it's imbalanced in favour of red hat and makes Red Hat look like openstack, opensource, docker authority	Jul 30 21:53
MinceR	which they hope to become via systemd and kdbus	Jul 30 21:54
schestowitz	Imagine a world where every corporation has its own "news" site syndicated by Google News	Jul 30 21:54
schestowitz	MinceR: yeah, that too	Jul 30 21:54
schestowitz	systemd has not been promoted there, yet	Jul 30 21:54
schestowitz	AFAIK	Jul 30 21:54
schestowitz	https://twitter.com/qu1j0t3/status/626858264588865536	Jul 30 21:54
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@qu1j0t3: Actually the battery life is laughable, worse than ever. https://t.co/vQBeUMqYBP		Jul 30 21:54
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz: Increased and improved battery life, more antennas etc. have escalated and popularised the #surveillance aspects of mobile phones		Jul 30 21:54
schestowitz	Poorly used	Jul 30 21:55
schestowitz	https://twitter.com/RamiSilawi/status/626857656582565888	Jul 30 21:56
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@RamiSilawi: @schestowitz iForgot iHave an iTrophy iLike & iFollow whatever and iBuy :)		Jul 30 21:56
MinceR	the crApple logo is still a status symbol among the poor though, apparently	Jul 30 21:57
msb_	Among leftests too, I think.	Jul 30 21:57
msb_	leftists	Jul 30 21:58
msb_	They think Apple is pro-humanity.	Jul 30 21:58
msb_	Thanks to many years of Apple advertising falsely implying that.	Jul 30 21:59
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schestowitz	https://twitter.com/qu1j0t3/status/626860386386608129	Jul 30 22:04
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@qu1j0t3: @schestowitz Can you get three weeks? My Nokia does. Pretty sure it's not smart enough to spy on me, either. http://t.co/U6mQ5kBkUF		Jul 30 22:04
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@qu1j0t3: @schestowitz Can you get three weeks? My Nokia does. Pretty sure it's not smart enough to spy on me, either. http://t.co/U6mQ5kBkUF		Jul 30 22:04
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msb_	Detailed video on US Air Force antigravity flying saucers replicated from alien ones. Video can be downloaded with latest version from http://youtube-dl.org/ -- https://vimeo.com/133170463	Jul 30 22:07
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msb_	Use youtube-dl option -f h264-sd to get 500MB version instead of one 4x that size.	Jul 30 22:10
msb_	Used to hate vimeo because it was not downloadable, but no more!	Jul 30 22:11
DaemonFC	J. R. Bob Dobbs (formerly ZOMG Pink Ponies) says:	Jul 30 22:15
DaemonFC	At least it installed and mostly works. It could have been a Mac that froze during the Apple logo and won't start up at all. :)	Jul 30 22:15
DaemonFC	Google "mac freezes at apple logo" and you'll see that it's a recurring problem that has been ongoing since around 2009. Makes you wonder how this "tightly integrated OS and hardware" maker manages to **** their own bootloader during the upgrade process when they own the entire stack from the moment you press the power button. :)	Jul 30 22:15
MinceR	probably the same recipe as m$	Jul 30 22:16
MinceR	spending all their money on lawyers, ads and bribes	Jul 30 22:16
MinceR	and having retarded, incompetent "developers"	Jul 30 22:16
DaemonFC	The OS mostly works, but it feels like beta software that should have been pushed back another 3 months or so.	Jul 30 22:16
MinceR	they took freebsd and made it worse in every conceivable way	Jul 30 22:17
DaemonFC	No, I meant Windows 10.	Jul 30 22:18
DaemonFC	It works, but it's rough around the edges. ;)	Jul 30 22:18
DaemonFC	I absolutely hate the new web browser. It's worse than IE.	Jul 30 22:18
DaemonFC	The start menu bug is basically unforgivable.	Jul 30 22:18
DaemonFC	I think the Firefox issues are mostly the result of bugs in the video drivers.	Jul 30 22:19
MinceR	it's less surprising that winblows sucks, as they started with worse things	Jul 30 22:21
schestowitz	https://twitter.com/JohnitoMusic/status/626864975903129603	Jul 30 22:22
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@JohnitoMusic: Wow. Just f*cking wow. #Windows10 #privacy #violations #keylogger #NSA https://t.co/cdgLtHNjlt & http://t.co/bTqy8ZLKE4 Via @schestowitz		Jul 30 22:22
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: #disturbing privacy defaults in Windows 10 https://jonathan.porta.codes/2015/07/30/windows-10-seems-to-have-some-scary-privacy-defaults/ #vista10 is a monster. http://techrights.org/wiki/index.php/Microsoft_and_the_NSA http://techrights.org/2015/07/30/vista-10-surveillance-machine/		Jul 30 22:22
msb_	https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QPlMmwOq7U8	Jul 30 22:22
msb_	http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QPlMmwOq7U8	Jul 30 22:23
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights--> techrights.org \| Surveillance Machine With a Keylogger: Vista 10 Will Spy on the User (Over the Internet) Even While Playing Games \| Techrights		Jul 30 22:23
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.youtube.com \| "Lawyers, Guns and Money" by Warren Zevon - YouTube [ http://ur1.ca/nb5nw ]		Jul 30 22:23
abeNd-org	just did a fresh install of a retail win81, & it prompted for win10 update even before I got to a login prompt/desktop, & for windows update under optional win10 update was already prechecked... ms really wants you to update to 10	Jul 30 22:25
schestowitz	https://joindiaspora.com/posts/6405496	Jul 30 22:29
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: Currently watching Asian news channel that treats shoplifting of a pack of chocolates by youths as top news. Unbelievable.		Jul 30 22:29
schestowitz	"is this Channel News Asia?"\	Jul 30 22:29
schestowitz	ABS/CBN	Jul 30 22:29
msb_	Is stealing chocolate punishable with death by torture?	Jul 30 22:30
MinceR	of course they want you to downgrade to 10	Jul 30 22:30
MinceR	every time they put out a particularly rotten version, they tried hard to make people move to it	Jul 30 22:30
MinceR	and for a good while, every version was worse than the previous one	Jul 30 22:31
MinceR	vista10 is the worst by far	Jul 30 22:31
msb_	How can the new version be worse? Has MS hired Poettering?	Jul 30 22:31
MinceR	it's much more open about being backdoored spyware	Jul 30 22:32
MinceR	and "updates" are mandatory	Jul 30 22:32
MinceR	even "enterprise" users only get to postpone them for a while	Jul 30 22:32
MinceR	so it's pretty openly a botnet	Jul 30 22:32
msb_	YOU WILL LOVE UPDATES!	Jul 30 22:32
MinceR	YOU WILL LOVE SYSTEMD!	Jul 30 22:32
msb_	WORSE IS BETTER!	Jul 30 22:33
MinceR	WAR IS PEACE!	Jul 30 22:33
msb_	We have always been at war with...well, everybody.	Jul 30 22:34
MinceR	The War On Freedom	Jul 30 22:35
abeNd-org	heh, id almost rather have forced updates than run into school districts still running winxp SP1....afraid to move to sp2 still because of the firewall changes	Jul 30 22:45
MinceR	i don't trust m$ with forced updates	Jul 30 22:45
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DaemonFC	I love this wireless charger.	Jul 30 22:57
MinceR	i'd care about wireless charging more if the nexus 7 (2013) didn't disable wireless charging while it's acting as a usb host	Jul 30 22:57
DaemonFC	I like how it's 2015 and the iPhone 6 doesn't have built-in wireless charging.	Jul 30 23:00
MinceR	it's apparently in part due to their idiotic metal back	Jul 30 23:00
DaemonFC	And if you get a wireless charging case and plug it into the phone charging port, you only have support for Qi, so if you run into a PMA mat somewhere, you can't use it.	Jul 30 23:00
MinceR	probably the only material that's less practical for that purpose than glass	Jul 30 23:00
DaemonFC	The Galaxy S6 supports both.	Jul 30 23:01
schestowitz	https://twitter.com/SleepyPenguin1/status/626874448562552836	Jul 30 23:02
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@SleepyPenguin1: Upgrading to Windows 10 switches your web browser to Edge – and Firefox's CEO is furious @ruskin147 @schestowitz http://t.co/XKVsEUEsby		Jul 30 23:02
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights--> m.theregister.co.uk \| Upgrading to Windows 10 switches your web browser to Edge – and Firefox's CEO is furious • The Register		Jul 30 23:02
MinceR	and this time even the EU won't bother them, most likely	Jul 30 23:03
MinceR	because nobody pretends that antitrust regulation has any force at all	Jul 30 23:03
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines OnePlus 2 offers cutting-edge hardware for	Jul 30 23:07
TweetTuxMachines	under $390… and Android fanboys are still	Jul 30 23:07
TweetTuxMachines	whining about it http://t.co/WszijWC9ZC	Jul 30 23:07
TweetTuxMachines	(bgr.com)	Jul 30 23:07
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/nb61s	Jul 30 23:07
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-bgr.com \| OnePlus 2 specs: No NFC a deal breaker for whining Android fans \| BGR		Jul 30 23:07
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines The best Android smartphone gets better	Jul 30 23:07
TweetTuxMachines	http://t.co/y8Ay5yWiKH (money.cnn.com) "Moto X	Jul 30 23:07
TweetTuxMachines	was the best smartphone of 2014"	Jul 30 23:07
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-money.cnn.com \| The best Android smartphone just got even better - Jul. 28, 2015		Jul 30 23:07
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/nb61t	Jul 30 23:07
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Motorola figured out how to fix the most	Jul 30 23:07
TweetTuxMachines	annoying thing about Android	Jul 30 23:07
TweetTuxMachines	http://t.co/n7WamJa5nO (bgr.com)	Jul 30 23:07
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/nb61u	Jul 30 23:07
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-bgr.com \| Moto X Pure and Moto G Android M Updates might roll out even faster \| BGR		Jul 30 23:07
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DaemonFC	Ryan Farmer	Jul 30 23:12
DaemonFC	Just now ·	Jul 30 23:12
DaemonFC	Windows 10 includes keylogging spyware, on by default.	Jul 30 23:12
DaemonFC	“Send typing and inking data to Microsoft to improve the recognition and suggestion platform.”	Jul 30 23:12
DaemonFC	Uhhh, no?	Jul 30 23:12
schestowitz	https://twitter.com/Zeusoft/status/626877543916929024	Jul 30 23:13
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@Zeusoft: @schestowitz Too much cloud dependent.		Jul 30 23:13
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DaemonFC	Windows has been sending more and more of your information back to Microsoft since XP.	Jul 30 23:14
DaemonFC	So, apparently my phone is affected by Stagefright, and between Samsung and Sprint, I'll be waiting for 30-60 days for the patch, even though Google patched it already.	Jul 30 23:19
DaemonFC	You'd think that carriers and OEMs would want to protect their reputation.	Jul 30 23:19
MinceR	welcome to the wonderful world of mobile/IoT operating systems	Jul 30 23:19
MinceR	and the readonly images that have to be patched whole	Jul 30 23:19
MinceR	redcrap wants to turn GNU/Linux into this too	Jul 30 23:20
MinceR	poettering raves about the concept regularly	Jul 30 23:20
DaemonFC	What happens when malicious payloads start going out and most Android phones are infected by attackers that send SMS messages blindly to random phone numbers?	Jul 30 23:20
MinceR	i think it's obvious why they want this	Jul 30 23:20
MinceR	they'll keep going out and succeeding for years, that's what	Jul 30 23:20
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schestowitz	http://t.co/cEBFVlYYEY	Jul 30 23:27
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.theregister.co.uk \| Windows 10 in head-on crash with Nvidia drivers as world watches launch • The Register		Jul 30 23:27
schestowitz	jgay: just seen your post in FSF site and put that in tuxmachines (my wife did)	Jul 30 23:27
schestowitz	very gently-worded	Jul 30 23:27
schestowitz	target audience must be windows useds....	Jul 30 23:28
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Retro City Rampage DX Parody Game Released For	Jul 30 23:38
TweetTuxMachines	Linux, Some Thoughts On This Nostalgia Trip	Jul 30 23:38
TweetTuxMachines	https://t.co/KyqxE9aMOC (www.gamingonlinux.com)	Jul 30 23:38
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/nb6bh	Jul 30 23:38
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.gamingonlinux.com \| Retro City Rampage DX Parody Game Released For Linux, Some Thoughts On This Nostalgia Trip \| GamingOnLinux		Jul 30 23:38
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Bound By Flame RPG May Get A Linux Version	Jul 30 23:38
TweetTuxMachines	https://t.co/utRTv5gsZu (www.gamingonlinux.com)	Jul 30 23:38
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/nb6bk	Jul 30 23:38
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.gamingonlinux.com \| Bound By Flame RPG May Get A Linux Version \| GamingOnLinux		Jul 30 23:38
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Shadowrun: Hong Kong RPG Arrives On August 20th	Jul 30 23:39
TweetTuxMachines	For Linux https://t.co/GEI8vUlM9n	Jul 30 23:39
TweetTuxMachines	(www.gamingonlinux.com)	Jul 30 23:39
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/nb6bl	Jul 30 23:39
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.gamingonlinux.com \| Shadowrun: Hong Kong RPG Arrives On August 20th For Linux \| GamingOnLinux		Jul 30 23:39
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Linux-powered smart sniper rifle can be hacked	Jul 30 23:39
TweetTuxMachines	http://t.co/h7d1tGuSS7 (www.tuxmachines.org)	Jul 30 23:39
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/nb6bn	Jul 30 23:39
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org \| Linux-powered smart sniper rifle can be hacked \| Tux Machines		Jul 30 23:39
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Ubuntu Kylin 15.10 Alpha 2 Is Out for Testing	Jul 30 23:39
TweetTuxMachines	with Linux Kernel 4.1, More	Jul 30 23:39
TweetTuxMachines	http://t.co/hjzdFw1McR (www.tuxmachines.org)	Jul 30 23:39
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/nb6bo	Jul 30 23:39
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org \| Ubuntu Kylin 15.10 Alpha 2 Is Out for Testing with Linux Kernel 4.1, More \| Tux Machines		Jul 30 23:39
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Lubuntu 15.10 Alpha 2 Is Ready for Download,	Jul 30 23:39
TweetTuxMachines	Still Using the LXDE Desktop Environment	Jul 30 23:39
TweetTuxMachines	http://t.co/U90yQpqlMt (www.tuxmachines.org)	Jul 30 23:39
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/nb6bp	Jul 30 23:39
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org \| Lubuntu 15.10 Alpha 2 Is Ready for Download, Still Using the LXDE Desktop Environment \| Tux Machines		Jul 30 23:39
MinceR	and here's an attempt at damage control which doesn't seem to actually fix anything >> http://www.ghacks.net/2015/07/27/microsoft-releases-tool-to-block-windows-10-updates/	Jul 30 23:41
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.ghacks.net \| Microsoft releases tool to block Windows 10 updates - gHacks Tech News [ http://ur1.ca/nb6cr ]		Jul 30 23:41
jgay	schestowitz on Canonical?	Jul 30 23:41
MinceR	"temporarily"	Jul 30 23:41
MinceR	"Note: Windows displays only updates on the next page that are not installed already. This means that you need to remove an update through other means before you can hide (block) it with the help of this tool."	Jul 30 23:42
MinceR	and this is after ed bought put the sugarcoat on it	Jul 30 23:42
jgay	schestowitz, I'm signing off now, but if you have any qustions let me know.	Jul 30 23:42
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines More AMD Radeon R9 Fury Linux Benchmarks	Jul 30 23:46
TweetTuxMachines	http://t.co/IxKsQlu0jZ (www.tuxmachines.org)	Jul 30 23:46
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/nb6e8	Jul 30 23:46
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org \| More AMD Radeon R9 Fury Linux Benchmarks \| Tux Machines		Jul 30 23:46
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines The FSF's statement on Windows 10	Jul 30 23:46
TweetTuxMachines	http://t.co/AGaYO58CKn (www.tuxmachines.org)	Jul 30 23:46
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/nb6e9	Jul 30 23:46
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org \| The FSF's statement on Windows 10 \| Tux Machines		Jul 30 23:46
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Middle-earth: Shadow Of Mordor Released For	Jul 30 23:46
TweetTuxMachines	Linux, We Love You Feral Interactive	Jul 30 23:46
TweetTuxMachines	https://t.co/qEQWzUIz1k (www.gamingonlinux.com)	Jul 30 23:46
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/nb6eb	Jul 30 23:46
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.gamingonlinux.com \| Middle-earth: Shadow Of Mordor Released For Linux, We Love You Feral Interactive \| GamingOnLinux		Jul 30 23:46
DaemonFC	It also hijacks your internet connection to serve other PCs updates.	Jul 30 23:50
DaemonFC	Saves Microsoft money.	Jul 30 23:50
DaemonFC	Windows 10 seems to have a lot of features that are bordering on malware.	Jul 30 23:51
MinceR	also helps circumvent corporate firewalls that were set up to prevent m$ from fucking up their configurations	Jul 30 23:51
MinceR	i don't think this is "bordering" anymore	Jul 30 23:51
MinceR	earlier versions were perhaps "bordering" on malware	Jul 30 23:51
MinceR	vista10 is clearly malware	Jul 30 23:51
MinceR	just like skype	Jul 30 23:51
MinceR	and just like hypeOS	Jul 30 23:52
MinceR	i wonder when we can expect a similar statement from the FSF on systemd	Jul 30 23:58
schestowitz	https://twitter.com/sblaydes/status/626888619928612864	Jul 31 00:01
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@sblaydes: Nice to see @Linode sponsoring the @debian LTS efforts. https://t.co/QrCaHA964h h/t:@schestowitz		Jul 31 00:01
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights--> raphaelhertzog.com \| Freexian’s report about Debian Long Term Support, June 2015		Jul 31 00:01
schestowitz	MinceR: systemDistribute	Jul 31 00:05
schestowitz	"it's free software"	Jul 31 00:05
schestowitz	they "share"	Jul 31 00:06
schestowitz	the patches	Jul 31 00:06
MinceR	yeah, it's "free software" like the obfuscated nv driver was	Jul 31 00:06
msb_	Could Microsoft shut down all Windows 10 computers by transmitting one command over the botnet? Suppose the government wanted to do that because it had done something like cancelling the elections.	Jul 31 00:10
MinceR	it looks like they certainly could	Jul 31 00:11
MinceR	maybe "enterprise" users could delay it for a set period	Jul 31 00:11
MinceR	then again, the language about DRM updates in previous EULAs suggests that they could do this previously too	Jul 31 00:11
schestowitz	they could do anything	Jul 31 00:13
schestowitz	there are always some zero-days	Jul 31 00:13
schestowitz	which makes you wonder what NSA could do at times of major war	Jul 31 00:13
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Bodhi in Fedora 23 is Ready	Jul 31 00:13
TweetTuxMachines	http://t.co/Y3ivfMAEEt (leinfeva.tumblr.com)	Jul 31 00:13
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/nb6ma	Jul 31 00:13
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-leinfeva.tumblr.com \| Lêínfeva — Bodhi in Fedora 23 is Ready		Jul 31 00:13
schestowitz	if china or russia, for example, STILL had some Windows lying around	Jul 31 00:13
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines "here comes a report about the work of paid	Jul 31 00:13
TweetTuxMachines	contributors to #Debian LTS."	Jul 31 00:13
TweetTuxMachines	https://t.co/8bp6vnkoBf (raphaelhertzog.com)	Jul 31 00:13
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/nb6mb	Jul 31 00:13
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Skullgirls Now In Closed Beta For Linux, Here	Jul 31 00:13
TweetTuxMachines	Are My Thoughts & A Video	Jul 31 00:13
TweetTuxMachines	https://t.co/z2QIAK37at (www.gamingonlinux.com)	Jul 31 00:13
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/nb6mf	Jul 31 00:13
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.gamingonlinux.com \| Skullgirls Now In Closed Beta For Linux, Here Are My Thoughts & A Video \| GamingOnLinux		Jul 31 00:13
schestowitz	At war you don't need to obey EULA	Jul 31 00:13
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schestowitz	https://twitter.com/RamiSilawi/status/626910436680704001	Jul 31 08:45
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@RamiSilawi: Will @ubuntu stay real #linux ? Don't lose innovation but ever never the #libre spirit ... #opensource http://t.co/NX6zUcVPvl		Jul 31 08:45
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@RamiSilawi: Will @ubuntu stay real #linux ? Don't lose innovation but ever never the #libre spirit ... #opensource http://t.co/NX6zUcVPvl		Jul 31 08:45
schestowitz	https://twitter.com/retroDoomer/status/626915380359921664	Jul 31 08:46
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@retroDoomer: I tried explaining this to someone earlier. They really didn't understand the implications of it https://t.co/v02o7FMwVE		Jul 31 08:46
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz: "Windows 10 includes keylogging spyware, on by default." -DaemonFC, former #Microsoft MVP, now at #techrights		Jul 31 08:46
schestowitz	https://twitter.com/matthewstinar/status/626941191729319936	Jul 31 08:46
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@matthewstinar: @schestowitz I still haven't decided which Ubuntu variant I'm going with this time. I'm pretty sure I'm not ready for Arch yet. Suggestions?		Jul 31 08:46
schestowitz	Mint?	Jul 31 08:46
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines 3 Twitter Clients For Linux That You Don't Want	Jul 31 08:46
TweetTuxMachines	To Miss http://t.co/APsxWjB4Dq	Jul 31 08:46
TweetTuxMachines	(www.tuxmachines.org)	Jul 31 08:46
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org \| 3 Twitter Clients For Linux That You Don't Want To Miss \| Tux Machines		Jul 31 08:46
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/nbaqh	Jul 31 08:46
cubexyz	all Xlib programs can use -fn	Jul 31 08:53
oiaohm	cubexyz: You can run as many normally X11 applications per user as you like and use display to send them to different servers	Jul 31 08:53
oiaohm	cubexyz: problem is X11 Windows manager and the like use a session key that they talk to the server that they write into a single file.	Jul 31 08:54
oiaohm	cubexyz: ie wrong session key X11 server will not work for them.	Jul 31 08:54
cubexyz	yes I can just: ssh -XC cubeman@server /usr/local/bin/xwhatever	Jul 31 08:54
cubexyz	but i was curious about the remote gui stuff	Jul 31 08:55
oiaohm	rdp under weston is nicer than X11	Jul 31 08:55
oiaohm	No stupid session file to worry about.	Jul 31 08:55
oiaohm	cubexyz: sorry wrong file name	Jul 31 08:57
oiaohm	~/.Xauthority	Jul 31 08:57
oiaohm	The magic super cookie of annoyance.	Jul 31 08:57
cubexyz	one thing is I don't have a good method for IRC logging	Jul 31 08:58
cubexyz	so I have my main user logged in on the server	Jul 31 08:58
cubexyz	a better method would be to have a text based IRC logger	Jul 31 08:59
oiaohm	https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/X_Window_authorization	Jul 31 09:00
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-en.wikipedia.org \| X Window authorization - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia [ http://ur1.ca/nbaul ]		Jul 31 09:00
oiaohm	cubexyz: this is what screws you over attempting to login multi times running a wm	Jul 31 09:00
oiaohm	cubexyz: wayland changes this. Wayland server gives application a file handle then application uses filehandle to talk to server. Nothing for authorisation written into the user home directory so it can run multi times without disaster.	Jul 31 09:03
schestowitz	> x	Jul 31 09:05
schestowitz	> http://www.itworld.com/article/2955001/linux/5-heros-of-the-linux-world.html	Jul 31 09:05
schestowitz	>	Jul 31 09:05
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schestowitz	> systemd is /not/ an init system. He's lost it.	Jul 31 09:05
schestowitz	Yes, I noticed this, laughed, and sort of mocked the inclusion in Twitter a couple of time.	Jul 31 09:05
oiaohm	schestowitz: systemd can be a init system or a demon management solution	Jul 31 09:06
oiaohm	schestowitz: systemd user mode is a demon management solution.	Jul 31 09:06
cubexyz	oiaohm, I can't think of anything I must to have X11 for when logging into the server	Jul 31 09:09
cubexyz	only thing is xchat logging needs X11	Jul 31 09:09
oiaohm	schestowitz: https://maci0.wordpress.com/2014/07/23/run-systemd-in-an-unprivileged-docker-container/ This is systemd running not privilaged with cgroup blocked and without PID1	Jul 31 09:10
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msb_	oiaohm: If you had more feral cats they would have caught that lizard before it killed your graphic card!	Jul 31 09:12
oiaohm	cubexyz: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ZNC You most likely want this on the server not xchat in the first place.	Jul 31 09:13
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oiaohm	msb_: Main reaosn I had a lizard problem my pet spider died.	Jul 31 09:14
msb_	Yikes! How big a spider was that?	Jul 31 09:14
msb_	Bigger than a Buick?	Jul 31 09:15
oiaohm	http://www.australiangeographic.com.au/topics/wildlife/2012/08/gallery-10-most-dangerous-spiders-in-australia/australian-spiders-the-10-most-dangerous_image9/	Jul 31 09:16
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oiaohm	Yes number 9 on the most dangerous spiders in Australia msb_	Jul 31 09:16
oiaohm	15cm across. There venom is not the threat is the scared reation. They also don't put webs everywhere they serousally chase their pray down.	Jul 31 09:17
schestowitz	https://twitter.com/SleepyPenguin1/status/626879417923567616	Jul 31 09:18
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@SleepyPenguin1: Microsoft evades billions of $$ in tax... #linux @ruskin147 http://t.co/tZjaURNjlv		Jul 31 09:18
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schestowitz	https://twitter.com/JZA/status/627030109309026304	Jul 31 09:19
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@JZA: @schestowitz I wish they fix the Kate protocols.		Jul 31 09:19
schestowitz	kate in kf5 works OK for me	Jul 31 09:19
oiaohm	msb_: a few pet huntsman spiders no lizard problems around the place.	Jul 31 09:19
msb_	Much rather have a Cat!	Jul 31 09:20
oiaohm	cat people hate them as there toxin kills cats.	Jul 31 09:20
oiaohm	Don't harm dogs.	Jul 31 09:20
msb_	Poisonous spiders get no mercy from me.	Jul 31 09:21
msb_	Squash or spray them on the spot.	Jul 31 09:22
msb_	But non-poisonous I encourage.	Jul 31 09:22
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msb_	I watched Road Games -- movie set in Australia -- a few days ago. Jamie Lee Curtis.	Jul 31 09:23
msb_	Are dingoes really unable to bark?	Jul 31 09:24
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines New systemd Service Promises to Automatically	Jul 31 09:53
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oiaohm	msb_: --Are dingoes really unable to bark?-- Most pure dingo cannot bark. Only howl. Cross breeds can bark.	Jul 31 10:00
oiaohm	msb_: key word is most some island breeds of dingos can bark and they are not cross breeds	Jul 31 10:00
msb_	So the movie is accurate. Thanks!	Jul 31 10:01
oiaohm	msb_: its also the define of bark.	Jul 31 10:04
oiaohm	Cannot bark by our ears.	Jul 31 10:04
msb_	oiaohm: Ultrasonic?	Jul 31 10:04
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msb_	Like bats?	Jul 31 10:04
oiaohm	Yep.	Jul 31 10:05
oiaohm	Dingo barks are normally out side human hearing.	Jul 31 10:06
oiaohm	So we class them as cannot bark. when its more we cannot hear it.	Jul 31 10:06
msb_	Wiki doesn't mention ultrasonic bark.	Jul 31 10:09
msb_	Wanshang Dhole -- supernatural dog-like creature in X-files episode "Alpha"	Jul 31 10:14
msb_	Actual Dhole -- https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dhole	Jul 31 10:14
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schestowitz	https://twitter.com/RubenMassarotti/status/627045890381905920	Jul 31 10:20
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oiaohm	msb_: pure blood dingos do purr	Jul 31 10:27
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msb_	Wow!	Jul 31 10:27
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msb_	Now I want to see "Alpha"! Have to find the dvd.	Jul 31 10:29
oiaohm	msb_: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bark_%28sound%29	Jul 31 10:31
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oiaohm	msb_: It is kinda in the wikipedia.	Jul 31 10:31
oiaohm	The australian dingo bark does not sound like a normal dog bark.	Jul 31 10:32
msb_	As long as it's not a Wanshang Dhole!	Jul 31 10:32
oiaohm	msb_: Australian dingoes bark only in swooshing noises or in a mixture atonal/tonal.	Jul 31 10:32
oiaohm	Now that is if we can hear it.	Jul 31 10:33
oiaohm	So a dingo like dog making a dog like bark is a cross bread to be shot.	Jul 31 10:34
msb_	Sounds like normal bark: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i-GXvcnhE34	Jul 31 10:35
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oiaohm	msb_: that is a cross breed.	Jul 31 10:35
oiaohm	They would find that out if they did a DNA test.	Jul 31 10:35
oiaohm	msb_: I had a kepply dingo cross.	Jul 31 10:36
oiaohm	They look exactly the same to a normal dingo.	Jul 31 10:36
oiaohm	The difference is trainablity.	Jul 31 10:36
oiaohm	And bark.	Jul 31 10:36
msb_	https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A9bdlLqSRDk	Jul 31 10:36
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oiaohm	This is something nasty. To train a pure blood dingo you must get the pup before it eyes open.	Jul 31 10:39
oiaohm	The first creature it sees when it eyes open it the creature type it will obey.	Jul 31 10:39
msb_	https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wn2-Eri1oPY -- nice docu	Jul 31 10:42
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oiaohm	msb_: that last video bend in tail is a half breed. Due to a differance in bone count in tail between dingo and dog you end up with a particular bend in tail when they cross.	Jul 31 10:42
oiaohm	Ok video before last.	Jul 31 10:42
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oiaohm	msb_: the high sound out of that bark was close to a pure. The low sounds were the result of the cross.	Jul 31 10:42
oiaohm	msb_: this is the problem with you tube. Lot of people have half dingo half dog yet they call them dingo.	Jul 31 10:43
schestowitz	https://twitter.com/matthewstinar/status/627052012597813248 https://twitter.com/matthewstinar/status/627052205506494464	Jul 31 10:46
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@matthewstinar: @schestowitz I recall the graphics lagged and there was something off about the software manager. Maybe I'll take another look.		Jul 31 10:46
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@matthewstinar: @schestowitz It's been a while and Mint was certainly visually appealing.		Jul 31 10:46
oiaohm	msb_: http://www.dingosanctuary.org/dingo_old/dingo.html even in nature pure dingos normally don't bark. You are more likely to hear them purring.	Jul 31 10:53
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oiaohm	msb_: yes if you have cats for the purr you can have dingos in australia for it.	Jul 31 10:54
msb_	For some reason I've never liked dogs, always liked cats.	Jul 31 10:54
msb_	I think there was a nasty dog that barked at us every day on the way to school.;	Jul 31 10:55
msb_	Plus, they drool.	Jul 31 10:56
msb_	And shit everywhere.	Jul 31 10:56
oiaohm	Boy that does not sound like the dogs I had.	Jul 31 10:56
oiaohm	Ok drool into food bowl because I forget to give the dog a order to eat.	Jul 31 10:56
oiaohm	And the dog had been waiting for 30 mins.	Jul 31 10:57
oiaohm	I have always had working dogs msb_	Jul 31 10:57
oiaohm	So they are tollet trained and eat on command trained and so on.	Jul 31 10:57
msb_	I had neighbors and I used to hear her crying every day because the puppy had shit and pissed everywhere. I think they got rid of it.	Jul 31 10:57
oiaohm	I guess stupidly let pup in house before it was trained.	Jul 31 10:58
msb_	Cats come toilet-trained.	Jul 31 10:58
oiaohm	Not all cats come toilet trained.	Jul 31 10:59
oiaohm	Depends on breed.	Jul 31 10:59
msb_	All the ones I';ve had. Unless they were sick.	Jul 31 10:59
oiaohm	Same with dogs some dogs are cleaner than others.	Jul 31 10:59
msb_	Dogs are evil. They come from Microsoft and the US govt!!!	Jul 31 11:00
msb_	666! Evil! 666!	Jul 31 11:01
oiaohm	kelpie has a percentage of dingo.	Jul 31 11:01
oiaohm	Lot of my working dogs had percentage dingo msb_	Jul 31 11:01
msb_	What work did they do? Make fertilizer?	Jul 31 11:01
oiaohm	if not Australian Cattle Dog	Jul 31 11:02
oiaohm	msb_: basically I was working with cattle.	Jul 31 11:02
oiaohm	Due to the fact these dogs have been breed for Australian station usage they have been breed to be cleaner than you normal dogs.	Jul 31 11:03
oiaohm	msb_: basically pup that makes too much of mess earns it self a bullet and end of line.	Jul 31 11:03
msb_	Feed it to the giant tree-sloth bat-lizards!	Jul 31 11:04
msb_	Or Sharktopus.	Jul 31 11:06
oiaohm	msb_: Saint Bernard is another breed that is fairly simple to tollet train.	Jul 31 11:06
oiaohm	Again due to the same reason due to where they came from they would just kill the ones too hard to train.	Jul 31 11:06
oiaohm	So it what breed the dog is that defines how messy it is	Jul 31 11:07
msb_	St B is major drooler/slobberer.	Jul 31 11:08
oiaohm	Not all	Jul 31 11:08
oiaohm	Biggest problem with a Saint Bernad is there simple digging force and weight.	Jul 31 11:09
oiaohm	msb_: I have seen 3 of them crush a car.	Jul 31 11:09
msb_	oiaohm: How can dogs crush steel? Were they driving a tractor?	Jul 31 11:13
oiaohm	msb_: 4 and a half hours jumping up and down on it.	Jul 31 11:13
msb_	Cujo!	Jul 31 11:14
msb_	I watched that once. It was disgusting.	Jul 31 11:14
oiaohm	msb_: Its interesting watching the difference with https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alaskan_Malamute	Jul 31 11:15
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oiaohm	We have Alaskan Malamute that was breed in Australia for base usage and latter USA reimports.	Jul 31 11:15
oiaohm	The ones for base usage were culled based on cleanness and are massively cleaner dogs.	Jul 31 11:16
oiaohm	msb_: so I believe some of the problem with dogs and cleaness is poor breeding.	Jul 31 11:16
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines DNF Might Handle System Upgrades in Fedora 23	Jul 31 11:39
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines "systemd project is one of the core components	Jul 31 11:40
TweetTuxMachines	of most of today’s Linux"	Jul 31 11:40
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Mir 0.14 Has Been Officially Released And	Jul 31 11:40
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Leftovers: Gaming http://t.co/au28of1cAb	Jul 31 11:40
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines today's howtos http://t.co/CntiW3SqGJ	Jul 31 11:40
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schestowitz	https://twitter.com/esdaniel/status/627059548482871296	Jul 31 11:42
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schestowitz	https://twitter.com/Messgorough/status/627066510461284352	Jul 31 11:45
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@Messgorough: @schestowitz And regulated by greed and corruption.		Jul 31 11:45
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schestowitz	https://twitter.com/SleepyPenguin1/status/627072377441099776	Jul 31 12:06
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@SleepyPenguin1: Cyber security 2015 @ruskin147 @schestowitz http://t.co/zLUp6ufokm		Jul 31 12:06
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cubexyz	one thing I don't understand about Xbox customers	Jul 31 12:27
cubexyz	they vehemently complain about how Microsoft treats them	Jul 31 12:27
cubexyz	can'	Jul 31 12:28
cubexyz	can	Jul 31 12:28
cubexyz	can't trade games, poor quality device keeps breaking etc	Jul 31 12:28
cubexyz	but they continue to give money to a company they hate	Jul 31 12:28
cubexyz	just starve the beast of cash	Jul 31 12:29
cubexyz	then the problem of microsoft will go away	Jul 31 12:29
oiaohm	Really when has that been different with game players.	Jul 31 12:32
oiaohm	I remember the Playstation 1 issues.	Jul 31 12:33
cubexyz	sega genesis is the clear counter-example	Jul 31 12:33
cubexyz	you buy the game, it's yours to trade or sell	Jul 31 12:33
oiaohm	I mean the broken hardware bit.	Jul 31 12:33
cubexyz	same answer	Jul 31 12:33
oiaohm	Gamers have historically been overly tollerant.	Jul 31 12:33
cubexyz	Sega Genesis, still have games that work for it	Jul 31 12:34
cubexyz	some people even play atari 2600	Jul 31 12:34
cubexyz	anything with a CD player in it will break for sure	Jul 31 12:34
oiaohm	I had the fun of early NES issues.	Jul 31 12:35
cubexyz	the stepper motor and spindle motor will fail in the cdrom	Jul 31 12:36
cubexyz	mechanical parts will fail	Jul 31 12:36
oiaohm	NES had issues with the contacts	Jul 31 12:37
abeNd-org	my wife had a summer job working for a subcontractor of gamestop repairing xbox (original), gamecubes, & psps.... how or why or what was in some of those systems...scary	Jul 31 12:38
cubexyz	I imagine cleaning the motherboard contacts on the NES would help	Jul 31 12:39
cubexyz	easier than repairing a cdrom at least	Jul 31 12:39
oiaohm	cubexyz: early nes suffered from hardware virus in the contacts.	Jul 31 12:39
oiaohm	where if 1 contact bent it preceded to detroy following catridges.	Jul 31 12:40
cubexyz	oiaohm, I found sci.electronics.repair is a good place for info	Jul 31 12:41
cubexyz	I assume google groups would have it	Jul 31 12:42
MinceR	who else managed a 54% hardware failure rate in gaming consoles, beside m$?	Jul 31 12:54
cubexyz	nntp.aioe.org is still around	Jul 31 12:55
cubexyz	well hopefully microsoft lost money on xbox	Jul 31 12:55
cubexyz	if they keep on losing money then... :)	Jul 31 12:56
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abeNd-org	yea, gamers are very forgiving of ms, & sony, i mean look at how many people keep coming back to the playstation network after how many hacks?	Jul 31 12:56
abeNd-org	xbox lost ms tons of money, i think they only started turning a profit with it late in the 360 days, & pretty sure they sell the console at a loss, only nintendo sells consoles for a profit...but poor nintendo isnt doing so hot overall	Jul 31 12:57
MinceR	yeah, and sony screwed ps2 users on advertised features	Jul 31 12:57
MinceR	gaming consoles suck	Jul 31 12:57
cubexyz	you're better off putting your money into a general purpose computer	Jul 31 12:57
abeNd-org	yes, but so does pc gaming, when you constantly have to buy a console priced video card to play whatever the latest game is	Jul 31 12:58
MinceR	while you can still get one	Jul 31 12:58
cubexyz	ok, well I mainly play older games	Jul 31 12:58
cubexyz	Loki/LGP, xboard, or homebrew	Jul 31 12:58
abeNd-org	and take console batman recently released, & then pulled, it still runs at horrible FPS, at least the one on ps4 is playable. the PC edition wont be fixed for ages	Jul 31 12:58
abeNd-org	isnt loki/lgp dead these days?	Jul 31 12:59
cubexyz	well loki is, not sure about lgp	Jul 31 13:00
cubexyz	LGP does seem to be mostly dead though	Jul 31 13:01
MinceR	http://cs6.pikabu.ru/post_img/2015/07/31/4/1438320138_629303719.jpg	Jul 31 13:02
abeNd-org	one thing edge has for it is no plugin infrastructure, no java, no flash	Jul 31 13:02
abeNd-org	keep it simple	Jul 31 13:03
abeNd-org	& maybe it wont suck as bad	Jul 31 13:03
cubexyz	well I doubt I'll use it, unless they port it to BSD :)	Jul 31 13:03
abeNd-org	that is called Safari on osx	Jul 31 13:04
abeNd-org	http://idle.slashdot.org/story/15/07/29/2223255/san-franciscos-public-works-agency-tests-paint-that-repels-urine?utm_source=feedly1.0mainlinkanon&utm_medium=feed - neat, but how about solving the homeless problem....	Jul 31 13:12
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MinceR	solving problems? that's not how the human species works	Jul 31 13:13
cubexyz	haha, paint that repels urine	Jul 31 13:14
abeNd-org	ok ok, how about rounding up all the homeless people & sending them to mars	Jul 31 13:15
abeNd-org	if they colonize the planet, they can call it home	Jul 31 13:15
MinceR	lol	Jul 31 13:17
MinceR	we can't afford to send that much mass to mars	Jul 31 13:17
abeNd-org	build a big pit, drop them all in it & call it a reality tv show version of http://www.imdb.com/title/tt3696720/ ?	Jul 31 13:24
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MinceR	i'd rather put all the rich criminals and dictators in a cage and tell them only one of them gets to come out alive	Jul 31 13:28
MinceR	(which would be a lie)	Jul 31 13:29
abeNd-org	how about housing the homeless in the huge mansions with the rich?	Jul 31 13:32
MinceR	it could work nicely, with particular rich people	Jul 31 13:32
abeNd-org	if someone has a nice 100 room mansion & they only use 2, cram it full of homeless people & some handlers	Jul 31 13:36
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Links 31/7/2015: Lennart Poettering as 'Linux	Jul 31 13:37
TweetTuxMachines	Hero' and systemd Conference Coming	Jul 31 13:37
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines The Document Foundation Released LibreOffice	Jul 31 21:59
TweetTuxMachines	4.4.5 With Bug Fixes http://t.co/ajE65v0pHT	Jul 31 21:59
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Akademy 2015 coming to an end	Jul 31 21:59
TweetTuxMachines	https://t.co/ycAS0Q3uLR (dot.kde.org)	Jul 31 21:59
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DaemonFC	Ryan Farmer	Jul 31 22:06
DaemonFC	Just now ·	Jul 31 22:06
DaemonFC	.	Jul 31 22:06
DaemonFC	In what passes for the news, some wealthy executive in Texas says that he dropped his iPhone from a mile and a half above the ground when the door to the plane he was in opened and it fell out of his pocket. When he found the device with "Find my iPhone", in the middle of a field, it still worked.	Jul 31 22:06
DaemonFC	Maybe he can tell other iPhone users his secret. Usually, dropping them from five feet means that the screen looks like a broken windshield when you pick them up.	Jul 31 22:06
MinceR	the trick is that since the hypePhone can't do anything, even if it's disintegrated, it doesn't lose any functionality	Jul 31 22:06
DaemonFC	Supposedly, the iPhone 6 was going to fix this with sapphire glass, and that never happened. In drop tests, the Galaxy S6 is more than twice as likely to survive a five foot drop, even without a case.	Jul 31 22:07
MinceR	even though the S-sucks is designed to break easily	Jul 31 22:08
schestowitz	or at least bend	Jul 31 22:10
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines FFmpeg's Leader Resigns, Hopes To Make Libav	Jul 31 22:20
TweetTuxMachines	Developers Come Back http://t.co/zdsv0WGl4J	Jul 31 22:20
TweetTuxMachines	(www.phoronix.com)	Jul 31 22:20
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines HP ProBook 455 G2: A low-cost business notebook	Jul 31 22:20
TweetTuxMachines	for Ubuntu lovers [Review]	Jul 31 22:20
TweetTuxMachines	http://t.co/jVuBAZZTAl (betanews.com)	Jul 31 22:20
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines 30 Sys Admins to Follow on SysAdmin Day	Jul 31 22:20
TweetTuxMachines	http://t.co/3O6XazybWt (www.tuxmachines.org)	Jul 31 22:20
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org \| 30 Sys Admins to Follow on SysAdmin Day \| Tux Machines		Jul 31 22:20
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines FFmpeg's Leader Resigns, Hopes To Make Libav	Jul 31 22:20
TweetTuxMachines	Developers Come Back http://t.co/6dmTps2BFp	Jul 31 22:20
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schestowitz	http://a.disquscdn.com/uploads/mediaembed/images/2333/8777/original.jpg?w=800&h	Jul 31 22:22
schestowitz	https://twitter.com/MariusNestor/status/627227270336380929	Jul 31 22:23
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@MariusNestor: @schestowitz check out the comment with the meme http://t.co/KjPZMPvh28 :))		Jul 31 22:23
schestowitz	I thought I had noticed the similarity. Was all the text ripoff too?	Jul 31 22:23
schestowitz	Look ma! I can copy and paste release notes... err... COMPOSE AN ARTICLE. http://www.itrunsonlinux.com/desktopos/systemd-v223-released/	Jul 31 22:25
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.itrunsonlinux.com \| Systemd v223 released \| It runs on Linux [ http://ur1.ca/nbi79 ]		Jul 31 22:25
schestowitz	https://twitter.com/MariusNestor/status/627228719648796672	Jul 31 22:27
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@MariusNestor: @schestowitz LOL		Jul 31 22:27
schestowitz	https://twitter.com/MariusNestor/status/627228827429797888	Jul 31 22:28
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@MariusNestor: @schestowitz I saw that earlier…		Jul 31 22:28
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schestowitz	Probably got the h/t from SoftPedia, err... inspiration	Jul 31 22:28
schestowitz	worry not, Rianne and I have mentally blacklisted that site	Jul 31 22:29
schestowitz	https://twitter.com/Metztli_IT/status/627229501559214084	Jul 31 22:29
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@Metztli_IT: Quite likely Microsoft apologists, blinded by #NSA-patriotic pride, will brand @schestowitz as a Kremlin agent ;-) https://t.co/Ix1omC88Gp		Jul 31 22:29
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@SputnikInt: #Windows10 Spies on Almost Everything You Do, Unless You Opt Out http://t.co/usKp4CyS36 #data #surveillance #privacy http://t.co/LMVhe2Rjn8		Jul 31 22:29
schestowitz	https://twitter.com/MariusNestor/status/627229569016299520	Jul 31 22:30
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@MariusNestor: @schestowitz The text is a remake of the text from Softpedia, as no one else bothered to write an article on the subject…		Jul 31 22:30
schestowitz	https://twitter.com/MariusNestor/status/627229742509498372	Jul 31 22:30
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@MariusNestor: @schestowitz but of course, I can recognize my writing anywhere… unfortunately :)		Jul 31 22:30
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schestowitz	https://twitter.com/PatentWire/status/627111254545403904 https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/627211337463132160 https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/627211534234710016 https://twitter.com/mf1337/status/627087664110522368	Jul 31 22:39
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz: The 'new' (rebranded) Microsoft browser has brand new security issues http://t.co/VQxXNee0qE		Jul 31 22:39
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz: Microsoft has no "security issues", it has back doors and front doors http://t.co/pfhJZffIo8		Jul 31 22:39
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@Zeipt: analysts say because Windows 10 has an Adobe Flash plug-in already installed, Edge could pose a bigger security risk https://t.co/LNOqSsnBBf		Jul 31 22:39
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz: How to make #vista10 "news" after it's news? Dice-run #slashdot cites Microsoft booster with Microsoft marketing disguised as "history".		Jul 31 22:39
DaemonFC	MinceR, I put a Lifeproof case on it.	Jul 31 22:56
DaemonFC	I don't think it'll get damaged, but it did bulk up the phone a bit. :P	Jul 31 22:56
MinceR	at least that will hide the rear glass cover	Jul 31 22:57
DaemonFC	http://www.techtimes.com/articles/43177/20150330/samsung-galaxy-s6-indestructible-heres-video-prove.htm	Jul 31 23:00
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.techtimes.com \| The Samsung Galaxy S6 Is Indestructible — Here's A Video To Prove It : PERSONAL TECH : Tech Times [ http://ur1.ca/nbijf ]		Jul 31 23:00
DaemonFC	"Check out the video for yourself"	Jul 31 23:00
DaemonFC	"Video does not exist."	Jul 31 23:00
MinceR	i'm pretty sure it's destructible	Jul 31 23:01
DaemonFC	Yeah, I heard a couple of people say that they dropped their phone and cracked the glass on the back.	Jul 31 23:01
DaemonFC	Yikes.	Jul 31 23:01
DaemonFC	Why would they do something like that? Put glass on the back of the phone?	Jul 31 23:02
DaemonFC	It looks great until you drop it.	Jul 31 23:02
DaemonFC	You can still see the back of the phone through the case.	Jul 31 23:03
DaemonFC	It just puts some hard plastic over it.	Jul 31 23:04
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Life in a Post-Container World and Why Linux	Jul 31 23:06
TweetTuxMachines	Will Play a Diminished Role	Jul 31 23:06
TweetTuxMachines	http://t.co/yLvobbUwHW (thenewstack.io)	Jul 31 23:06
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-thenewstack.io \| Life in a Post-Container World and Why Linux Will Play a Diminished Role - The New Stack		Jul 31 23:06
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Life in a Post-Container World and Why Linux	Jul 31 23:07
TweetTuxMachines	Will Play a Diminished Role	Jul 31 23:07
TweetTuxMachines	http://t.co/JCihvQpY5a (www.tuxmachines.org)	Jul 31 23:07
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org \| Life in a Post-Container World and Why Linux Will Play a Diminished Role \| Tux Machines		Jul 31 23:07
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Most popular web browsers among Fedora users	Jul 31 23:07
TweetTuxMachines	http://t.co/ffZnAKIH5S (www.tuxmachines.org)	Jul 31 23:07
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MinceR	because the crApple fanboys keep crying stupid bullshit like "premium materials"	Jul 31 23:10
MinceR	even though they have absolutely no clue about material science	Jul 31 23:11
DaemonFC	MinceR, Like the premium battery that zips from 100% to 0% as you watch? :)	Jul 31 23:16
DaemonFC	They only have an 1,800 mAh battery in the iPhone 6.	Jul 31 23:17
DaemonFC	So unless you turn the display backlight down to where you can barely make out the screen, the battery dies very quickly.	Jul 31 23:17
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MinceR	yeah	Jul 31 23:20
DaemonFC	I think the 2,550 in my S6 is about the lowest I'd feel comfortable with.	Jul 31 23:20
MinceR	and like the premium metal case that absorbs the radio waves you're trying to communicate with and the radio waves you're trying to charge the battery with	Jul 31 23:20
DaemonFC	It makes it about 1-1.5 days on a charge, which is fine.	Jul 31 23:20
MinceR	the best back cover material/texture i've experienced so far was that of the nexus 7 (2013)	Jul 31 23:21
DaemonFC	I still think they should have put a bigger battery in the S6.	Jul 31 23:21
MinceR	looks nice and doesn't slip out of my hand	Jul 31 23:21
DaemonFC	3,000 would have been ideal, imo.	Jul 31 23:21
MinceR	also doesn't collect fingerprints	Jul 31 23:21
DaemonFC	I got a portable charger that can fully charge the phone four times though.	Jul 31 23:21
MinceR	(not visibly, anyway)	Jul 31 23:21
MinceR	i have a power bank but i mostly use it as a flashlight :)	Jul 31 23:21
DaemonFC	I have to say that I'm not impressed with Samsung's handling of Stagefright.	Jul 31 23:22
DaemonFC	How long has it been since this was disclosed? No comment from Samsung.	Jul 31 23:22
MinceR	the platform should use a package manager to update itself, like gnu/linux distros do	Jul 31 23:23
DaemonFC	That's the thing, MinceR....	Jul 31 23:23
DaemonFC	The S6 has that ability.	Jul 31 23:23
MinceR	for system files?	Jul 31 23:23
MinceR	oh, also, updating shouldn't break root	Jul 31 23:23
DaemonFC	There's this thing called KNOX that Samsung can use to circumvent the carrier and update the phone right away.	Jul 31 23:23
DaemonFC	Yeah.	Jul 31 23:23
MinceR	i didn't think knox did that	Jul 31 23:24
DaemonFC	Oh, you can root your S6, but it blows an efuse.	Jul 31 23:24
MinceR	even if you root it via exploit?	Jul 31 23:24
DaemonFC	That way, even if you revert the rooting, Samsung knows to void your warranty.	Jul 31 23:24
DaemonFC	Yep.	Jul 31 23:24
MinceR	i rooted my galaxy tab pro 8.4, which has knox, with an exploit and it still says "Status: Official" under about	Jul 31 23:25
DaemonFC	http://www.androidrootz.com/2015/05/how-to-root-galaxy-s6-without-tripping.html	Jul 31 23:25
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.androidrootz.com \| How to Root Galaxy S6 & S6 Edge without Tripping Knox! [PingPong Root] ~ AndroidRootz.com \| Source for Android Rooting, ROMS, Tricks and More! [ http://ur1.ca/nbir8 ]		Jul 31 23:25
DaemonFC	hmm, apparently there is a way to root it without knox knowing to do that.	Jul 31 23:25
MinceR	i couldn't get it to chroot so far, though	Jul 31 23:25
MinceR	hopefully using a non-busybox implementation will work	Jul 31 23:26
DaemonFC	MinceR, The thing about it is, I don't own the phone.	Jul 31 23:29
DaemonFC	Sprint owns the phone, and I'm leasing it from them.	Jul 31 23:29
MinceR	that sucks	Jul 31 23:29
MinceR	i always bought my phones unlocked	Jul 31 23:30
DaemonFC	I don't want to do anything to it that might have them say "We're not taking it back, and you owe us the buyout payment of $200.".	Jul 31 23:30
DaemonFC	MinceR, Yeah, but it made sense, financially, for me.	Jul 31 23:31
MinceR	understandable	Jul 31 23:31
DaemonFC	It was going to cost me $80 a month to keep using my old LG G2, even though I owned it.	Jul 31 23:31
MinceR	well, usually they get at least as much back on your extra monthly payments	Jul 31 23:31
DaemonFC	They offered me a Sprint Unlimited plan with the Galaxy S6 lease included for $75.	Jul 31 23:31
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MinceR	ic	Jul 31 23:32
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MinceR	is it GSM/UMTS?	Jul 31 23:32
DaemonFC	No. It's CDMA.	Jul 31 23:32
MinceR	does that use a SIM[-equivalent]?	Jul 31 23:33
DaemonFC	It does support GSM, but only for roaming. It has a SIM that's permanently built-in to the phone.	Jul 31 23:33
DaemonFC	But the SIM is only for roaming on GSM networks.	Jul 31 23:33
MinceR	i see.	Jul 31 23:33
DaemonFC	Yeah, CDMA doesn't use a SIM.	Jul 31 23:34
DaemonFC	You tell your carrier the IMEI number and they use that to identify your phone on their network.	Jul 31 23:34
MinceR	that sucks	Jul 31 23:34
DaemonFC	CDMA is actually quite popular here in the US, but I don't think anyone else uses it.	Jul 31 23:34
DaemonFC	You go to the EU or Canada and GSM is mandated by law.	Jul 31 23:34
MinceR	:>	Jul 31 23:35
DaemonFC	Sprint and Verizon are CDMA.	Jul 31 23:35
DaemonFC	AT&T and T-Mobile are GSM.	Jul 31 23:35
DaemonFC	But that comes with a gotcha.	Jul 31 23:35
DaemonFC	AT&T and T-Mobile use different frequencies than GSM in Canada or the EU.	Jul 31 23:35
DaemonFC	T-Mobile is pretty infamous for being the worst of the four major carriers in the US.	Jul 31 23:36
DaemonFC	Their network sucks.	Jul 31 23:36
DaemonFC	Right now, they're growing their subscriber base by offering cheaper plans, but they're not cheap enough, in my opinion, to deal with their network gaps.	Jul 31 23:37
DaemonFC	Sprint has been improving rapidly. It's in third place, but the difference between Sprint and AT&T isn't what it used to be. Over the last year, they've built up their network to where you'd be hard-pressed to tell the difference, but Sprint is much cheaper than AT&T.	Jul 31 23:38
DaemonFC	AT&T got rid of their unlimited data plans.	Jul 31 23:38
DaemonFC	For every GB you want in your plan, you have to add $10 a month to the base service price, and if you go over by any part of 1 GB, it's $15 per GB.	Jul 31 23:39
DaemonFC	So, by the time you get done adding 3-4 GB to your plan, you're up at about $120-130 a month.	Jul 31 23:39
DaemonFC	AT&T is pretty well known for being an iPhone carrier. Almost everyone you see with an iPhone is on AT&T even though you don't have to be on AT&T anymore.	Jul 31 23:40
DaemonFC	I guess they gouge because more of their customer base is willing to let them get away with it.	Jul 31 23:40
DaemonFC	Do they spend the money improving their network? Not really. Most of it goes to paying off politicians and executive bonus packages.	Jul 31 23:41
DaemonFC	Their network really wasn't prepared to deal with the original iPhone. Customers who had detailed billing were getting 10 pound packages in the mail filled with hundreds of sheets of paper, telling them every time their iPhone made a network request that month.	Jul 31 23:42
DaemonFC	People started saying "Get AT&T and kill a tree.".	Jul 31 23:42
DaemonFC	MinceR, https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/300-page_iPhone_bill	Jul 31 23:43
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-en.wikipedia.org \| 300-page iPhone bill - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia [ http://ur1.ca/hb857 ]		Jul 31 23:43
MinceR	still a better product than the hypePhone itself	Jul 31 23:43
DaemonFC	http://web.archive.org/web/20071119172546/http://www.computerworld.com/action/article.do?command=viewArticleBasic&articleId=9041858&pageNumber=2	Jul 31 23:44
DaemonFC	It gets better.	Jul 31 23:45
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-web.archive.org \| Technology's 10 Most Mortifying Moments		Jul 31 23:45
DaemonFC	"such as when the company eliminated its 4GB model and cut the price of the 8GB model by $200 just two months after the devices had launched. Even ardent fanboys and girls used language that was so surprisingly sharp that Apple agreed to give early adopters a $100 store credit."	Jul 31 23:45
MinceR	they would have deserved it without the store credit	Jul 31 23:45
MinceR	especially the ones that camp in front of the store	Jul 31 23:46
DaemonFC	The second one was pretty funny too.	Jul 31 23:46
DaemonFC	A 16 year old cracked the Australian state government's porn filtering software in half an hour and said it was a horrible waste of money.	Jul 31 23:46
MinceR	government internet filtering is a horrible waste in any case	Jul 31 23:47
DaemonFC	AT&T is about the most corrupt and evil company in America.	Jul 31 23:51
DaemonFC	They've always done things that should be illegal and got away with them.	Jul 31 23:51
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DaemonFC	https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/no-flash/?src=ss	Aug 01 01:04
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-addons.mozilla.org \| No Flash :: Add-ons for Firefox [ http://ur1.ca/nbjk6 ]		Aug 01 01:04
DaemonFC	Changes embedded Flash videos to work with the HTML 5 player if you don't have Flash installed.	Aug 01 01:04
DaemonFC	Well, videos from Youtube anyway.	Aug 01 01:04
MinceR	youtube-dl is even better	Aug 01 01:06
MinceR	it lets you download and/or play youtube videos in a real video player :>	Aug 01 01:06
MinceR	(not realvideo)	Aug 01 01:06
MinceR	(or even audio player)	Aug 01 01:06
DaemonFC	http://www.windowscentral.com/report-windows-10-now-installed-67-million-pcs	Aug 01 01:07
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.windowscentral.com \| Report: Windows 10 is now installed on 67 million PCs as of this morning \| Windows Central [ http://ur1.ca/nbjkw ]		Aug 01 01:07
DaemonFC	There's extensions to download videos from within Firefox.	Aug 01 01:07
DaemonFC	Not just Youtube.	Aug 01 01:07
MinceR	indeed, and i have one	Aug 01 01:09
MinceR	but i prefer youtube-dl	Aug 01 01:09
MinceR	and it works with many other sites	Aug 01 01:09
DaemonFC	http://www.pcworld.com/article/2949827/windows/10-things-windows-10-failed-to-fix-or-flat-out-broke.html#slide1	Aug 01 01:11
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.pcworld.com \| 10 things Windows 10 failed to fix or flat-out broke \| PCWorld [ http://ur1.ca/nbjm9 ]		Aug 01 01:11
DaemonFC	Apparently, removing Windows Media Center is one thing that people are complaining about.	Aug 01 01:12
DaemonFC	If you had it installed, Windows 10 will install a DVD player app from the Windows Store, that can't play Blu Ray discs.	Aug 01 01:12
MinceR	some people inexplicably like winblows	Aug 01 01:12
MinceR	so it should be no surprise that some people inexplicably like winblows media center	Aug 01 01:12
DaemonFC	"Edge simply isn’t that great yet, as my colleague Mark Hachman noted in his Windows 10 review. It’s just so grey and bland, many of its killer features aren’t working great yet, and the browser can tax your hardware worse than Chrome in some scenarios."	Aug 01 01:13
DaemonFC	That's putting it mildly.	Aug 01 01:13
MinceR	what a surprise, ie isn't great	Aug 01 01:14
DaemonFC	Edge is worse.	Aug 01 01:14
DaemonFC	LOL	Aug 01 01:23
DaemonFC	Apple is going to port Apple Music to Android?	Aug 01 01:23
MinceR	indeed	Aug 01 01:23
DaemonFC	Probably the only way they can reach the economies of scale required to make the whole thing work. If they keep it on the iPhone, then they're limited to only about 1 in 5 smartphone users.	Aug 01 01:23
MinceR	they're admitting what their shills won't	Aug 01 01:23
MinceR	no, if they keep it on the hypePhone, then they're limited to 0% of smartphone users	Aug 01 01:24
MinceR	since the hypePhone is not a smartphone	Aug 01 01:24
DaemonFC	Completely derivative... There are how many music streaming services now?	Aug 01 01:27
DaemonFC	Google has one. Spotify has one. Slacker has one. Even Microsoft has one.	Aug 01 01:27
DaemonFC	Do we really need more?	Aug 01 01:27
MinceR	in theory, competition is good	Aug 01 01:30
MinceR	in practice, anything crApple does is pointless and harmful	Aug 01 01:30
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Benchmarking Debian GNU/Hurd 2015 vs. GNU/Linux	Aug 01 01:38
TweetTuxMachines	http://t.co/jSB6EsZGht (www.tuxmachines.org)	Aug 01 01:38
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/nbjsm	Aug 01 01:38
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DaemonFC	http://news.thewindowsclub.com/google-chrome-team-sends-congratulatory-cake-microsoft-edge-team-79518/	Aug 01 01:59
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-news.thewindowsclub.com \| Chrome team sends congratulatory cake to Edge team [ http://ur1.ca/nbjxv ]		Aug 01 01:59
MinceR	they should have congratulated m$ for ignoring users' preferences on "upgrading" and forcing ie-in-disguise on them	Aug 01 02:02
DaemonFC	J. R. Bob Dobbs (formerly ZOMG Pink Ponies) says:	Aug 01 02:07
DaemonFC	https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NPv1yRBo2u4	Aug 01 02:07
DaemonFC	Singers with one name by George Carlin.	Aug 01 02:07
DaemonFC	"Bono..... It's not bad enough that their music sucks, but with no last name you can't figure out where they live so you can go throw a ****ing bomb through their window. It's frustrating!"	Aug 01 02:07
DaemonFC	:)	Aug 01 02:07
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.youtube.com \| one name singers - YouTube [ http://ur1.ca/nbjzu ]		Aug 01 02:07
MinceR	lol	Aug 01 02:10
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DaemonFC	J. R. Bob Dobbs (formerly ZOMG Pink Ponies) says:	Aug 01 03:03
DaemonFC	http://cnet4.cbsistatic.com/hub/i/r/2015/07/01/8c7bc558-8fd9-48f6-9542-f49d8aba6ed6/resize/770x578/de43c1ef1627caebaf033e9c7620f46a/applemusicradiosucks.jpg	Aug 01 03:03
DaemonFC	Speaking of Apple, here's Apple Radio just working on an iPhone.	Aug 01 03:03
DaemonFC	"This operation could not be completed. An unknown error occurred. -12880"	Aug 01 03:03
oiaohm	DaemonFC: seen the Windows 10 fun message yet "something went wrong"	Aug 01 03:11
DaemonFC	It doesn't say something went wrong.	Aug 01 03:12
DaemonFC	It says something happened.	Aug 01 03:12
DaemonFC	J. R. Bob Dobbs (formerly ZOMG Pink Ponies) says:	Aug 01 03:12
DaemonFC	http://benjaminkerensa.com/2015/07/30/unnecessary-finger-pointing	Aug 01 03:12
DaemonFC	Here's another take on Microsoft hijacking your default browser with the Windows 10 installation.	Aug 01 03:12
DaemonFC	The author says that Mozilla shouldn't have expected anything less, and notes that Mozilla should have thought about that before inking a deal turning Firefox into a keylogger that sends your keystrokes to Microsoft by way of Yahoo, which is only a skin for Bing. Mozilla changed the default search engine from Google to Yahoo during a routine Firefox upgrade without asking their users (like me) if they wanted that, so they're really just the	Aug 01 03:12
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-benjaminkerensa.com \| Unnecessary Finger Pointing – Benjamin Kerensa [ http://ur1.ca/nbkge ]		Aug 01 03:12
DaemonFC	pot calling the kettle black.	Aug 01 03:12
DaemonFC	The only way Microsoft can get people to use Bing is through subterfuge and throwing money around. It wouldn't surprise me at all if Apple did change the default search engine to Bing. Even the iPhone users who hate Bing will say that they like it and it works perfectly once Apple makes up their mind for them. They'll all just fall into line.	Aug 01 03:12
oiaohm	DaemonFC: there is a something went wrong message as well.	Aug 01 03:14
oiaohm	When it fails to get the password hint.	Aug 01 03:14
oiaohm	Something happened is normally the wrong language.	Aug 01 03:14
oiaohm	DaemonFC: fun part windows new edge webrowser not Australian tax office compadible.	Aug 01 03:24
DaemonFC	J. R. Bob Dobbs (formerly ZOMG Pink Ponies) says:	Aug 01 03:29
DaemonFC	In all the years I've been using a PC, I've come to expect that Mac users are like smokers. They're obnoxious and they want the rest of the world to change around them to accomodate the fact that they bought the wrong gear.	Aug 01 03:29
oiaohm	DaemonFC: windows 10 has a lot of new Something messages.	Aug 01 03:29
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TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/nbklk	Aug 01 03:33
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines blackPanther OS 14.1 (Walking Dead) Unleashed	Aug 01 03:33
TweetTuxMachines	Worldwide, Download Now - Video	Aug 01 03:33
TweetTuxMachines	http://t.co/FPiNsmwIHo (www.tuxmachines.org)	Aug 01 03:33
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/nbklp	Aug 01 03:33
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines GNOME Tracker 1.4 Gets Its First Point Release	Aug 01 03:33
TweetTuxMachines	with Dozens of Improvements and Fixes	Aug 01 03:33
TweetTuxMachines	http://t.co/dTW0NbkgqN (www.tuxmachines.org)	Aug 01 03:33
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org \| GNOME Tracker 1.4 Gets Its First Point Release with Dozens of Improvements and Fixes \| Tux Machines		Aug 01 03:33
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DaemonFC	http://www.androidcentral.com/windows-10-phone-companion-and-android-do-you-need-it	Aug 01 04:49
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.androidcentral.com \| The Windows 10 Phone Companion and Android: Do you need it? \| Android Central [ http://ur1.ca/nbl4a ]		Aug 01 04:49
DaemonFC	Windows 10 comes with an app designed to push Microsoft apps onto your phone.	Aug 01 04:49
DaemonFC	It opens itself when you plug your phone into the computer.	Aug 01 04:50
DaemonFC	It would be nice if I could remove OneNote, OneDrive, Lookout, and Hancom Office from my Galaxy S6.	Aug 01 04:51
DaemonFC	I'd rather have the 300 MB that they're occupying back.	Aug 01 04:51
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cubexyz	been looking for scientific software for FOSS and found this interesting ncurses program:	Aug 01 05:20
cubexyz	http://www.maxhost.org/other/electronic-periodic-table.png	Aug 01 05:20
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Samsung to release first Tizen Smartphone in	Aug 01 05:24
TweetTuxMachines	Egypt by early 2016 http://t.co/Ur1WlOoGuN	Aug 01 05:24
TweetTuxMachines	(www.tuxmachines.org)	Aug 01 05:24
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org \| Samsung to release first Tizen Smartphone in Egypt by early 2016 \| Tux Machines		Aug 01 05:24
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines MKVToolNix Review - Powerful Tool to Split,	Aug 01 05:24
TweetTuxMachines	Merge, and Convert MKV Files	Aug 01 05:24
TweetTuxMachines	http://t.co/MtmwMGl493 (www.tuxmachines.org)	Aug 01 05:24
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/nbldv	Aug 01 05:24
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org \| MKVToolNix Review - Powerful Tool to Split, Merge, and Convert MKV Files \| Tux Machines		Aug 01 05:24
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Ubuntu Touch Might Receive Hotfixes Before	Aug 01 05:24
TweetTuxMachines	OTA-6, Major GCC 5 Transition in Effect	Aug 01 05:24
TweetTuxMachines	http://t.co/jTrFjgwmBP (www.tuxmachines.org)	Aug 01 05:24
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/nbldx	Aug 01 05:24
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DaemonFC	My next "laptop" will probably be a newer Chromebook.	Aug 01 08:10
DaemonFC	I've had a good experience with this one, but it's not aging very well.	Aug 01 08:10
DaemonFC	The screen is 11" and 1366 x 720 (iirc), and the 2 GB of RAM really isn't enough.	Aug 01 08:11
DaemonFC	I've been getting too many "He's dead, Jim!" tabs, which is what happens when it's out of memory.	Aug 01 08:11
DaemonFC	The memory requirements for Firefox 41 are way down.	Aug 01 08:36
DaemonFC	I had 32 tabs open a few hours ago, with Adblock Plus and a bunch of filters, and a bunch of other add-ons, and it was only using 438 MB of RAM.	Aug 01 08:36
DaemonFC	Ryan Farmer	Aug 01 08:41
DaemonFC	Just now · Edited ·	Aug 01 08:41
DaemonFC	It's time for Firefox to show Adobe Flash and Oracle Java to the door.	Aug 01 08:41
DaemonFC	I think that they need to strip out NPAPI plug in support and not replace it with anything. It would delete a bunch of code and potential security issues.	Aug 01 08:41
DaemonFC	Then they should take the "No Flash" add-on, which is available under the Mozilla Public License, and integrate it into the browser, to force embedded Youtube, Dailymotion, and other videos to use the HTML 5 player.	Aug 01 08:41
DaemonFC	If the Hacking Team memos that leaked out don't show us how foolish it is to have Flash installed, I don't know what would, and almost nothing actually needs Flash anymore. It's just a plug-in that's full of holes, and it's completely bloated and awful, and it's time to get rid of it.	Aug 01 08:41
DaemonFC	It's also time to deprecate 32-bit Firefox and make plans to end support for it. Having a 32-bit version isn't even funny anymore. The last 32-bit x86 CPU came off the line in 2003. I can't believe we're even still talking about this.	Aug 01 08:41
amarsh04	funnily enough I'm still running Debian i386 on one machine even though it has an Athlon CPU	Aug 01 08:52
amarsh04	time for a new kernel, back soon	Aug 01 08:53
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amarsh04	that was easy	Aug 01 08:58
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Adobe Brakets 1.4 An Awesome Text Editor	Aug 01 09:17
TweetTuxMachines	Released, Install In Ubuntu 15.04/14.04 Or	Aug 01 09:17
TweetTuxMachines	Derivatives http://t.co/vcbWiQhZfS	Aug 01 09:17
TweetTuxMachines	(www.tuxmachines.org)	Aug 01 09:17
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Redis open source DBMS overview	Aug 01 09:32
TweetTuxMachines	http://t.co/ZXZNTW0ogP (www.tuxmachines.org)	Aug 01 09:32
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines 5 Best Linux Desktop Environments With Pros &	Aug 01 09:32
TweetTuxMachines	Cons http://t.co/mmjuPOlU80	Aug 01 09:32
TweetTuxMachines	(www.tuxmachines.org)	Aug 01 09:32
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Wifislax 4.11.1 Linux Distro Arrives with Linux	Aug 01 09:32
TweetTuxMachines	Kernel 4.1.3 LTS, Xfce 4.12.3	Aug 01 09:32
TweetTuxMachines	http://t.co/7cv7Hr3Rdf (www.tuxmachines.org)	Aug 01 09:32
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Most popular web browsers among Fedora users	Aug 01 09:33
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Canonical Releases New Linux Kernel Update for	Aug 01 09:36
TweetTuxMachines	Ubuntu 14.04 LTS (Trusty Tahr)	Aug 01 09:36
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Andalusia revamps its free software desktop	Aug 01 09:37
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Benchmarking Debian GNU/Hurd 2015 vs. GNU/Linux	Aug 01 09:37
TweetTuxMachines	http://t.co/y3hA4f1MzP (www.phoronix.com)	Aug 01 09:37
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines blackPanther OS 14.1 (Walking Dead) Unleashed	Aug 01 09:43
TweetTuxMachines	Worldwide, Download Now - Video	Aug 01 09:43
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines GNOME Tracker 1.4 Gets Its First Point Release	Aug 01 09:43
TweetTuxMachines	with Dozens of Improvements and Fixes	Aug 01 09:43
TweetTuxMachines	http://t.co/KAoxcG1ZdD (news.softpedia.com)	Aug 01 09:43
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Samsung to release first Tizen Smartphone in	Aug 01 09:43
TweetTuxMachines	Egypt by early 2016 http://t.co/QbURKwRYLp	Aug 01 09:43
TweetTuxMachines	(www.tizenexperts.com)	Aug 01 09:43
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines MKVToolNix Review - Powerful Tool to Split,	Aug 01 09:52
TweetTuxMachines	Merge, and Convert MKV Files	Aug 01 09:52
TweetTuxMachines	http://t.co/Vhw37jVJNN (www.softpedia.com)	Aug 01 09:52
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Ubuntu Touch Might Receive Hotfixes Before	Aug 01 09:52
TweetTuxMachines	OTA-6, Major GCC 5 Transition in Effect	Aug 01 09:52
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Wifislax 4.11.1 Linux Distro Arrives with Linux	Aug 01 09:52
TweetTuxMachines	Kernel 4.1.3 LTS, Xfce 4.12.3	Aug 01 09:52
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Latest Ubuntu Touch SDK Updates Focus on	Aug 01 10:01
TweetTuxMachines	Convergence Features for OTA-6	Aug 01 10:01
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Linux Kernel 3.12.45 LTS Has ARM64 and x86	Aug 01 10:01
TweetTuxMachines	Fixes, Numerous Updated Drivers	Aug 01 10:01
TweetTuxMachines	http://t.co/gtz1nVthsD (news.softpedia.com)	Aug 01 10:01
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Latest Ubuntu Touch SDK Updates Focus on	Aug 01 10:01
TweetTuxMachines	Convergence Features for OTA-6	Aug 01 10:01
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines US House Opens Up to Open Source	Aug 01 10:07
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Linux Kernel 3.12.45 LTS Has ARM64 and x86	Aug 01 10:07
TweetTuxMachines	Fixes, Numerous Updated Drivers	Aug 01 10:07
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Compact module runs Linux on quadCompact module	Aug 01 10:08
TweetTuxMachines	runs Linux on quad-core Braswell-core Braswell	Aug 01 10:08
TweetTuxMachines	http://t.co/Xr07yTJL3s (linuxgizmos.com)	Aug 01 10:08
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oiaohm	KDE 5 on debian annoying mostly by applications not updated yet.	Aug 01 10:25
msb__	I use lynx to view html versions of emails, and a lot of times i'm getting 403 forbidden when I try to go thru a link, and it's always from nginx. Does nginx not like lynx?	Aug 01 10:29
cubexyz	it may be https	Aug 01 10:29
cubexyz	can't remember if lynx can handle that	Aug 01 10:30
msb__	It's not, it's http.	Aug 01 10:30
msb__	Besides, it's nginx that's having the problem, not lynx.	Aug 01 10:31
cubexyz	which url?	Aug 01 10:31
msb__	http://www.paulcraigroberts.org/2015/07/29/incongruities-news-paul-craig-roberts/	Aug 01 10:31
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.paulcraigroberts.org \| Incongruities in the News -- Paul Craig Roberts - PaulCraigRoberts.org [ http://ur1.ca/nbnju ]		Aug 01 10:31
DaemonFC	Bleh. Chrome is an "Android system app" now.	Aug 01 10:32
DaemonFC	There's 100 MB wasted.	Aug 01 10:32
msb__	If I run lynx from the command line and give it that url the same thing happens.	Aug 01 10:33
cubexyz	try links instead	Aug 01 10:34
cubexyz	could be mod_security disallows lynx	Aug 01 10:38
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msb__	links works	Aug 01 10:41
oiaohm	msb__: do check your lynx version	Aug 01 10:42
oiaohm	Opps I notice my lynx has UA masked.	Aug 01 10:44
msb__	2.8.6 or 2.8.7	Aug 01 10:44
oiaohm	Mine lynx 2.8.9dev.6 and without modification it gets 403 from that site.	Aug 01 10:45
cubexyz	just for fun rename your lynx command as xnyl and try it again	Aug 01 10:45
cubexyz	I'm just curious	Aug 01 10:46
cubexyz	ah don't bother	Aug 01 10:46
cubexyz	same thing	Aug 01 10:47
msb__	I made a softlink and called that, same thing.	Aug 01 10:47
oiaohm	msb__: lynx --useragent=woof http://www.paulcraigroberts.org/2015/07/29/incongruities-news-paul-craig-roberts/	Aug 01 10:48
oiaohm	And it will work/	Aug 01 10:48
oiaohm	Its a useragent filter.	Aug 01 10:48
cubexyz	ha	Aug 01 10:48
cubexyz	but why?	Aug 01 10:49
oiaohm	Don't know.	Aug 01 10:49
msb__	After I exit, lynx says: Warning: User-Agent string does not contain "Lynx" or "L_y_n_x"!	Aug 01 10:50
oiaohm	lynx --useragent=Lynx http://www.paulcraigroberts.org/2015/07/29/incongruities-news-paul-craig-roberts/	Aug 01 10:50
oiaohm	Works as well	Aug 01 10:50
msb__	It's not only that website, it's lots of websites.	Aug 01 10:50
cubexyz	some silly default	Aug 01 10:52
cubexyz	why block lynx but not links?	Aug 01 10:52
oiaohm	lynx --useragent="Lynx/2.8.3dev.6 libwww-FM/2.14" http://www.paulcraigroberts.org/2015/07/29/incongruities-news-paul-craig-roberts/ This one fails	Aug 01 10:54
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oiaohm	lynx --useragent="Lynx/2.8.3dev.6" http://www.paulcraigroberts.org/2015/07/29/incongruities-news-paul-craig-roberts/ and this one works	Aug 01 10:55
oiaohm	lynx --useragent="Lynx (textmode)" http://www.paulcraigroberts.org/2015/07/29/incongruities-news-paul-craig-roberts/ and this one works.	Aug 01 10:57
oiaohm	msb__: note Lynx (textmode) is a generic when Lynx is not to tell version.	Aug 01 10:57
oiaohm	cubexyz: blocking does not always make sanity.	Aug 01 10:58
msb__	The frammis web browser (user agent) works too.	Aug 01 10:58
cubexyz	so it only blocks useragent lynx and nothing else?	Aug 01 10:58
msb__	someone is an idiot	Aug 01 10:59
oiaohm	lynx can be a spider.	Aug 01 10:59
msb__	wget works	Aug 01 11:00
msb__	wget is definitely a spider	Aug 01 11:01
msb__	or can be	Aug 01 11:01
cubexyz	yes but couldn't links also be a spider?	Aug 01 11:01
oiaohm	-crawl with -traversal, output each page to a file. with -dump, format output as with -traversal, but to the standard output. << these in lynx	Aug 01 11:02
msb__	presumably, if it can download web pages	Aug 01 11:02
oiaohm	msb__: wget does not run at the insane speed lynx can attempt.	Aug 01 11:02
msb__	but frammis does	Aug 01 11:02
msb__	some shithead nginx dev just decided to block lynx	Aug 01 11:03
msb__	google finds others reporting the same problem, and recommending changing useragent string.	Aug 01 11:04
msb__	I think wget runs as fast as it can unless you tell it not to.	Aug 01 11:05
oiaohm	http://wiki.nginx.org/LimitBrowsers O my	Aug 01 11:05
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cubexyz	I'd just block the ip of any troublemakers	Aug 01 11:05
oiaohm	The idea of filtering by useragent is nothing more than a temporary measure at best.	Aug 01 11:08
msb__	Assholes! It should just serve the web page and let the browser do as well as it can with it.	Aug 01 11:08
msb__	blocking lynx must be in nginx by default	Aug 01 11:09
msb__	Theres no reason why any user would put it in.	Aug 01 11:09
oiaohm	msb__: I would not be too sure.	Aug 01 11:10
msb__	oiaohm: They think spiders are poisonous?	Aug 01 11:11
oiaohm	lynx --useragent="Lynx/2.8.3dev.6 -FM/2.14" http://www.paulcraigroberts.org/2015/07/29/incongruities-news-paul-craig-roberts/ << this works	Aug 01 11:13
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oiaohm	lynx --useragent="libwww" http://www.paulcraigroberts.org/2015/07/29/incongruities-news-paul-craig-roberts/ this fails	Aug 01 11:13
oiaohm	Ok what is libwww	Aug 01 11:13
msb__	https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EQrQjNNZCAo	Aug 01 11:15
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oiaohm	msb__: I think I have found the problem.	Aug 01 11:15
oiaohm	msb__: someone has written an overally nasty rule.	Aug 01 11:15
oiaohm	https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Libwww	Aug 01 11:16
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-en.wikipedia.org \| libwww - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia		Aug 01 11:16
oiaohm	libwww is a old library applications are not meant to use any more.	Aug 01 11:16
msb__	so?	Aug 01 11:17
msb__	why should nginx block it?	Aug 01 11:17
oiaohm	libwww is techically unmaintained Lynx uses libwww-FM version that is maintained and is a fork.	Aug 01 11:18
oiaohm	So it trying to block unmaintained.	Aug 01 11:18
oiaohm	And is shotting lynx by mistake.	Aug 01 11:18
oiaohm	This is why when you fork a project keeping an almost identical name is a bad thing.	Aug 01 11:19
msb__	I love Papa Oom Mow Mow!	Aug 01 11:20
msb__	How does an unmaintained browser hurt a web server?	Aug 01 11:21
oiaohm	msb__: using more connections than it should.	Aug 01 11:22
msb__	Hell, it probably uses only one.	Aug 01 11:22
oiaohm	libwww can end up using 5	Aug 01 11:23
oiaohm	libwww-FM is 1	Aug 01 11:23
oiaohm	lets say that old broken is exactly that msb__	Aug 01 11:23
msb__	except lynx ain't broken	Aug 01 11:23
oiaohm	Yep lynx is not broken and its getting mistaken identiy with a broken.	Aug 01 11:24
msb__	Except by the Poettering Principle -- only new stuff is any good, all the rest must be forbidden.	Aug 01 11:24
oiaohm	No this is not a poettering Pirnciple.	Aug 01 11:24
oiaohm	Sections of the http protocol has been fixed over the years.	Aug 01 11:24
msb__	I'll just set the useragent. I call lynx from a bash script anyhow.	Aug 01 11:25
oiaohm	http://httpd.apache.org/docs/2.0/misc/known_client_problems.html	Aug 01 11:27
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oiaohm	Also Lynx has a bug msb__	Aug 01 11:27
msb__	Everything has bugs. The important thing is whether they work well enough.	Aug 01 11:30
oiaohm	msb__: Lynx claims to support --Transparent content negotiation-- when it does not.	Aug 01 11:30
msb__	big whoop	Aug 01 11:30
oiaohm	Web servers are getting strict msb__	Aug 01 11:30
oiaohm	If you client claims to support stuff and it does not they just blacklist it.	Aug 01 11:31
oiaohm	msb__ https://www.ietf.org/rfc/rfc2295.txt Transparent content negotiation its quite a useful feature	Aug 01 11:34
msb__	oiaohm: So? If I want to see a fancy rendering I'll go there with Firefox. Otherwise lynx rapidly shows me the text.	Aug 01 11:38
msb__	Great article by Paul Craig Roberts, as always!	Aug 01 11:38
oiaohm	msb__: Multi langauge site might have more than 1 language per URI.	Aug 01 11:40
msb__	OK, problem fixed and I got Papa Oom Mow Mow! Thanks, guys!	Aug 01 11:40
oiaohm	msb__: using Lynx you will get what ever is first on the list at times.	Aug 01 11:40
oiaohm	Basically Transparent content negotiation failure is not exactly fun.	Aug 01 11:41
oiaohm	links does support it msb__	Aug 01 11:41
msb__	I sure wouldn't to have less than a 100percent perfect "user experience"! </sarcasm>	Aug 01 11:42
msb__	I sure wouldn't want to have less than a 100percent perfect "user experience"! </sarcasm>	Aug 01 11:42
oiaohm	web adminstators don't want stack of strange complaints.	Aug 01 11:43
oiaohm	I have a fun bug.	Aug 01 11:46
oiaohm	My samsung monitor with a hdmi port and no speakers for some reason by Nvidia gets called an audio device when on DVI	Aug 01 11:47
DaemonFC	J. R. Bob Dobbs (formerly ZOMG Pink Ponies) says:	Aug 01 11:50
DaemonFC	The iPhone 6 is so fragile that even with the Lifeproof case on them, their Facebook wall is covered with horror stories about people who dropped their iPhone about a foot with the $100 case on it, and the screen completely shattered under the case.	Aug 01 11:50
DaemonFC	"I dropped my phone off the couch... My iPhone screen shatters.. I call customer service and they say, well we will cover the case.."	Aug 01 11:50
DaemonFC	"I was in the water for maybe 20 minutes with the case completely closed and I looked at my iphone 6 and it was water logged. The mute/sound button broke within 3 weeks of having the case. I have to buy a new phone now because the case leaked water from the finger print scanner."	Aug 01 11:50
DaemonFC	"My iphone 6 dropped in the pool and enough water got in and completely damaged it. They offered to give me a new case which is great... if i had a phone. But i dont have one now unless i want to pay $700 for a new iphone 6."	Aug 01 11:50
DaemonFC	Although, one iPhone moron got lucky....	Aug 01 11:50
DaemonFC	"I just ran over my iphone with my Honda Odyssey and left it in a hot parking lot for over two hours before I found it.. The front sticker had fallen off but it had not even a scratch and still works great! I will definitely be buying a replacement, this case is Awesome!"	Aug 01 11:50
DaemonFC	It says on page six of the owner's manual to test for leakage WITHOUT the phone in the case before you install the case. As for all the cracked and crushed screens from one or two foot drops. Well, they are iPhones. I'm not sure they're blaming the right company. My old LG G2 flew out of my hands while I was on a bicycle and hit the street face down at about 14 miles per hour (my average cycling speed, so that's just an educated guess),	Aug 01 11:50
DaemonFC	flipped over, hit the road again on the other side, and the process repeated a few more times. No screen protector on it. I picked it up. It didn't have a scratch. That's just what you get when you buy a quality product. Not that Apple users would know anything about that, and it's my sincere recommendation that they never reproduce.	Aug 01 11:50
DaemonFC	Oh, it's only a $700 phone. Why wouldn't you RUN OVER IT WITH A HONDA ODYSSEY!? LOL@THEM! ;)	Aug 01 11:50
DaemonFC	Maybe Apple is making so much money because of all the extra iPhones you have to buy due to their, errrm, early demise?	Aug 01 11:50
oiaohm	DaemonFC: yep it a good way of increasing sales.	Aug 01 11:51
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MinceR	http://suckless.org/sucks/systemd	Aug 01 12:10
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-suckless.org \| sucks - systemd \| suckless.org software that sucks less		Aug 01 12:10
schestowitz	https://twitter.com/braa_areefy/status/627441044108357632	Aug 01 12:31
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@braa_areefy: @schestowitz the bin laden's are the 2nd richest family in saudi arabia after the royal family which they worth over 450 billion dollars		Aug 01 12:32
MinceR	"worth"	Aug 01 12:32
schestowitz	MinceR: new page?	Aug 01 12:32
schestowitz	I thjnk the site ain't	Aug 01 12:32
schestowitz	not sure about the page	Aug 01 12:32
MinceR	yes, it's dated yesterday	Aug 01 12:32
schestowitz	seen the site before	Aug 01 12:32
MinceR	(at the bottom of the page)	Aug 01 12:32
schestowitz	MinceR: I've shared it online just now	Aug 01 12:33
schestowitz	to give it some hits	Aug 01 12:33
oiaohm	MinceR: I can see a bug on that suckless page already.	Aug 01 12:56
oiaohm	http://www.cyberciti.biz/tips/segmentation-fault-on-linux-unix.html	Aug 01 12:56
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.cyberciti.biz \| Why Does The Segmentation Fault Occur on Linux / UNIX Systems? [ http://ur1.ca/nbom5 ]		Aug 01 12:56
oiaohm	Define of abnormal failure and a standard failure is a Unix thing MinceR	Aug 01 12:56
oiaohm	Just systemd splits those two.	Aug 01 12:57
oiaohm	systemctl -H command in fact does not connect directly to PID 1	Aug 01 12:59
oiaohm	Connect to a proxy.	Aug 01 12:59
oiaohm	MinceR: http://unix.ittoolbox.com/groups/technical-functional/ibm-aix-l/what-happens-after-restore-the-factory-default-settings-913152a-server-5414417	Aug 01 13:01
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-unix.ittoolbox.com \| What Happens After Restore the Factory Default Settings 9131-52a Server - Toolbox for IT Groups		Aug 01 13:01
oiaohm	AIX was first to implement restore to factory settings.	Aug 01 13:01
oiaohm	Windows and Systemd and everyone is copying that.	Aug 01 13:01
oiaohm	MinceR: should go on. This is my problem these sites have so much wrong its not funny.	Aug 01 13:01
MinceR	negligible compared to how much systemd gets wrong	Aug 01 13:02
oiaohm	Linux in high end server world has to compete against AIX and the like.	Aug 01 13:02
cubexyz	AIX is horribly expensive	Aug 01 13:02
oiaohm	MinceR: over 80 of that page is wrong.	Aug 01 13:02
oiaohm	MinceR: 80%	Aug 01 13:02
cubexyz	don't you have to buy IBM's hardware to run it?	Aug 01 13:02
oiaohm	cubexyz: yep AIX is insanely expensive	Aug 01 13:02
oiaohm	cubexyz: yep its IBM hardware only.	Aug 01 13:03
oiaohm	And to take over AIX market share you have to have it features.	Aug 01 13:03
MinceR	but you don't have to have its reliability?	Aug 01 13:03
cubexyz	is it reliable? :)	Aug 01 13:04
cubexyz	I suppose it must be since it's so $$$$	Aug 01 13:04
MinceR	compared to systemd, most likely	Aug 01 13:04
cubexyz	everything is doing their own thing these days	Aug 01 13:04
oiaohm	MinceR: LOOLLLLLLLLL	Aug 01 13:05
oiaohm	MinceR: you have never used AIX have you	Aug 01 13:05
MinceR	i haven't	Aug 01 13:05
MinceR	i've (unwittingly) used lendows, though	Aug 01 13:05
oiaohm	If you think systemd can do evil things to you.	Aug 01 13:05
oiaohm	AIX do way worse.	Aug 01 13:05
oiaohm	AIX can get into a process starting and stopping loop.	Aug 01 13:05
oiaohm	As it dependany tree goes completely stupid.	Aug 01 13:06
MinceR	systemd can fail to start services it was configured to start	Aug 01 13:06
oiaohm	MinceR: AIX will kill service so it can start another one	Aug 01 13:06
cubexyz	openbsd has been the most reliable OS i have used	Aug 01 13:06
MinceR	and for all the dependency tree hype, it still heavily relies on arbitrary delay times	Aug 01 13:06
cubexyz	but I never tried AIX for obvious reasons	Aug 01 13:06
MinceR	just like windows	Aug 01 13:07
oiaohm	The when the other starts it and find the first not there repeat the process over and over again.	Aug 01 13:07
oiaohm	systemd takes the sanish path otu.	Aug 01 13:07
oiaohm	O it failed leave it down.	Aug 01 13:07
cubexyz	I think IBM might have pretty reliable hardware though	Aug 01 13:07
oiaohm	AIX configured perfectly is solid	Aug 01 13:07
cubexyz	again, how could they justify their prices otherwise	Aug 01 13:08
oiaohm	Slightly missed configured it will drive you nuts.	Aug 01 13:08
MinceR	cubexyz: with FUD. "nobody got fired for choosing IBM"	Aug 01 13:09
cubexyz	I'd say IBM is on the way down these days	Aug 01 13:09
cubexyz	not sure if that's good or not	Aug 01 13:09
MinceR	IBM is dying	Aug 01 13:09
MinceR	and at this point, it's good	Aug 01 13:09
MinceR	their crApple advertising deserves to die	Aug 01 13:09
MinceR	and rational deserves to die	Aug 01 13:09
oiaohm	file-hierarchy man complaint shows the person never read it MinceR. Its a FHS standard in a man page.	Aug 01 13:10
cubexyz	you didn't like PS/2s? :)	Aug 01 13:10
MinceR	oiaohm: afaik the one they're referring to is not the FHS manpage	Aug 01 13:10
oiaohm	MinceR: No its not.	Aug 01 13:10
MinceR	cubexyz: afaik IBM sold their PC division to Lenovo ages ago	Aug 01 13:10
oiaohm	MinceR: there is no FHS man page.	Aug 01 13:10
cubexyz	they got the whole cast of M.A.S.H. telling you how good it was :)	Aug 01 13:10
MinceR	oiaohm: at any rate, it doesn't belong to systemd	Aug 01 13:10
oiaohm	MinceR: there is a FHS info fiile.	Aug 01 13:10
cubexyz	maybe no one remembers that	Aug 01 13:10
MinceR	it's marketed as an init system	Aug 01 13:10
MinceR	most of FHS is irrelevant to an init system.	Aug 01 13:11
oiaohm	Systemd auths wrote it in a man page to make it more accessable.	Aug 01 13:11
MinceR	cubexyz: m$ also got various airheaded celebrities advertising winblows	Aug 01 13:11
MinceR	that didn't make winblows any good	Aug 01 13:11
oiaohm	MinceR: anyone writting applications should be following the FHS	Aug 01 13:11
MinceR	oiaohm: if only they spent that time on documenting their own code instead.	Aug 01 13:11
oiaohm	on Linux.	Aug 01 13:11
cubexyz	MinceR, that is true	Aug 01 13:11
cubexyz	kind of a turn off really	Aug 01 13:12
oiaohm	MinceR: note some systemd authors were not placing stuff in the correct place.	Aug 01 13:12
cubexyz	I mean the celebrities opinion isn't too useful	Aug 01 13:12
MinceR	oiaohm: not surprising, given the amount of "stuff"	Aug 01 13:12
oiaohm	MinceR: the man page become a point to thing.	Aug 01 13:12
cubexyz	you know they are paid to shill whatever	Aug 01 13:12
MinceR	oiaohm: "Keep It Simple, Stupid"	Aug 01 13:12
oiaohm	Since then at least the sub programs follow the rules.	Aug 01 13:12
oiaohm	MinceR: a 80 document is not simple MinceR	Aug 01 13:13
MinceR	neither is systemd	Aug 01 13:13
oiaohm	MinceR: file-hierarchy man page takes a 80 page item and condences it down to 2 pages.	Aug 01 13:13
MinceR	they can't be arsed to read the original?	Aug 01 13:13
MinceR	that would be time not spent on writing crap code, i guess	Aug 01 13:14
oiaohm	The oringal has historic reference notes.	Aug 01 13:14
cubexyz	what if it were 20 pages, or 100? :)	Aug 01 13:14
oiaohm	Directory you should not use any more.	Aug 01 13:14
MinceR	systemd authors should have learned their history	Aug 01 13:14
MinceR	then they wouldn't be making old mistakes again	Aug 01 13:14
MinceR	same is true for the lendows gui authors	Aug 01 13:14
oiaohm	Some things systemd has done are ok.	Aug 01 13:14
MinceR	that is suspect	Aug 01 13:15
cubexyz	really I expect all of it Linux/BSD/Whatever will be supplanted by something else simpler and better	Aug 01 13:15
oiaohm	making the file-hierarchy man page with the current stuff only.	Aug 01 13:15
MinceR	so far what i've seen is that if there's something they can get wrong, they will	Aug 01 13:15
oiaohm	That is a good move.	Aug 01 13:15
oiaohm	Yet some people complained about it.	Aug 01 13:15
cubexyz	which OS do you use oiaohm? sorry I know I've asked that before	Aug 01 13:16
oiaohm	MinceR: have you ever looked at what systemd has got right.	Aug 01 13:16
oiaohm	cubexyz: debian	Aug 01 13:17
MinceR	oiaohm: i have yet to find such a thing	Aug 01 13:17
cubexyz	ok, right	Aug 01 13:17
oiaohm	cubexyz: Mix between debian stable/testing and sid	Aug 01 13:17
MinceR	i miss the days when debian "stable" was actually stable	Aug 01 13:17
oiaohm	MinceR: I have used debian from 0.90	Aug 01 13:18
XRevan86	I miss the days when debian "testing" was actually stable.	Aug 01 13:18
oiaohm	So what version are you talking about was stable.	Aug 01 13:18
oiaohm	XRevan86: you never pushed testing.	Aug 01 13:18
XRevan86	oiaohm: pushed?	Aug 01 13:18
MinceR	oiaohm: at least lenny, squeeze and wheezy	Aug 01 13:18
oiaohm	I have used debian since 1994 XRevan86	Aug 01 13:18
oiaohm	MinceR: I managed to break all those three at different times.	Aug 01 13:19
MinceR	i think i used ubuntu before that, and gentoo before that, and red hat before that	Aug 01 13:19
MinceR	and there was a bit of arch somewhere in there, iirc	Aug 01 13:19
oiaohm	My system has 12 WM managers and 4 desktop envorinements istalled	Aug 01 13:19
MinceR	oiaohm: afaik debian didn't even have a stable release until 1996	Aug 01 13:19
oiaohm	Yes this is a true asking for it configuration.	Aug 01 13:20
oiaohm	MinceR: I used debain before it was stable.	Aug 01 13:20
MinceR	i was talking about stable, though	Aug 01 13:20
oiaohm	Install enough windows managers with confliting support software it would always break.	Aug 01 13:20
MinceR	never happened to me	Aug 01 13:21
MinceR	and i did test many wm-s	Aug 01 13:21
oiaohm	Let take what I am currently running.	Aug 01 13:21
cubexyz	I'm running a bunch of wm's with no problems:	Aug 01 13:22
cubexyz	http://www.maxhost.org/other/kdm.png	Aug 01 13:22
cubexyz	even running them simultaneously :)	Aug 01 13:23
oiaohm	I have kmix and print-manager from KDE4 on KDE 5 But before this I was using kwin from KDE5 with KDE4	Aug 01 13:23
cubexyz	don't ask me what custom is though, I've never tried it	Aug 01 13:23
oiaohm	I also have a few gnomes mixing with each other.	Aug 01 13:24
oiaohm	Into the mix.	Aug 01 13:24
MinceR	i'm guessing custom is your xsession script	Aug 01 13:24
cubexyz	you know, I never really liked gnome	Aug 01 13:24
XRevan86	cubexyz: ls /usr/share/xsessions/	Aug 01 13:24
oiaohm	MinceR: these days I am abusing something different.	Aug 01 13:24
cubexyz	XRevan86, found not found	Aug 01 13:25
cubexyz	er, file not found	Aug 01 13:25
oiaohm	~/.config/autostart/	Aug 01 13:25
oiaohm	Is so much fun.	Aug 01 13:25
oiaohm	You know people complain about have psensors installed and having it start all the time.	Aug 01 13:26
oiaohm	Simple fix add a no file to the home directory autostart	Aug 01 13:26
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oiaohm	XRevan86: done	Aug 01 13:34
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oiaohm	MinceR: worst mistake on that site you brought in is complaining about logind learning a type web. Completely missing that apache had been calling pam at times. http://tldp.org/HOWTO/User-Authentication-HOWTO/x316.html	Aug 01 13:39
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MinceR	what has logind got to do with apache?	Aug 01 13:40
XRevan86	oiaohm: Chromium login?	Aug 01 13:40
oiaohm	--logind learned a new session type "web", for use in projects like Cockpit which register web clients as PAM sessions.-- This is the modification to systemd. That the site you linked to complains about.	Aug 01 13:42
oiaohm	XRevan86: Login using Chromium browser as the only thing.	Aug 01 13:42
MinceR	when did apache become a client?	Aug 01 13:42
MinceR	i know apache is bloated, but this is ridiculous	Aug 01 13:43
oiaohm	MinceR: apache was the first http server to allow PAM logins.	Aug 01 13:43
oiaohm	Worse changing uid and gid based on the PAM logins.	Aug 01 13:43
cubexyz	I prefer osmium logins, they carry more weight :)	Aug 01 13:43
MinceR	:)	Aug 01 13:43
oiaohm	logind adds a sandboxing flag.	Aug 01 13:43
oiaohm	web the login has come by web server.	Aug 01 13:44
oiaohm	Also that allows rejection rules like no root.	Aug 01 13:44
MinceR	why not uranium?	Aug 01 13:44
oiaohm	So the logind web flag is correct.	Aug 01 13:44
oiaohm	Insane but correct	Aug 01 13:44
MinceR	oiaohm: again, what is this doing in a piece of software that is marketed as an "init system"?	Aug 01 13:45
oiaohm	Question why logind is in systemd correct. But a lot of what logind is doing understand enough is required.	Aug 01 13:45
MinceR	no, it is not required	Aug 01 13:46
oiaohm	O yes it is.	Aug 01 13:46
MinceR	clean, stable and portable interfaces are required	Aug 01 13:46
oiaohm	There have been a lot of total system hacks from web servers using pam.	Aug 01 13:46
MinceR	mashing all the software in the world into a nasty, unmanageable blob is not required	Aug 01 13:46
oiaohm	logind is a define interface	Aug 01 13:46
oiaohm	that has been implemented by many parties.	Aug 01 13:46
MinceR	most of which is defined as unstable, yet used by gdm?	Aug 01 13:46
oiaohm	including BSD and consolekit2	Aug 01 13:46
MinceR	oh, who are those many parties?	Aug 01 13:47
cubexyz	when I do a remote gui login is that a PAM login?	Aug 01 13:47
MinceR	again, if logind has a "define interface", why doesn't it use that to interface with the service manager, instead of being tightly coupled to one?	Aug 01 13:47
XRevan86	LoginKit?	Aug 01 13:48
MinceR	if it has a "define interface", why is it only compatible with systemd that has the exact same version number (and sits in the exact same repository)?	Aug 01 13:48
cubexyz	no PAM until Redhat 5.0 btw	Aug 01 13:49
cubexyz	you can do shadow passwords without PAM	Aug 01 13:49
MinceR	slackware probably does that	Aug 01 13:50
cubexyz	MinceR, I think you're right	Aug 01 13:51
oiaohm	MinceR: http://www.freedesktop.org/wiki/Software/systemd/logind/	Aug 01 13:53
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oiaohm	Logind turns out to be one part of systemd that is well and truly documented.	Aug 01 13:53
MinceR	why didn't anyone tell the gdm developers that?	Aug 01 13:53
oiaohm	sddm and lightdm developers managed to get it right MinceR	Aug 01 13:54
oiaohm	Yes I don't know what the gdm developers smoked when they did the logind stuff but it was not good.	Aug 01 13:54
MinceR	aren't they on redcrap payroll?	Aug 01 13:55
oiaohm	Turns out no they are not MinceR	Aug 01 13:55
oiaohm	MinceR: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Features/NewGdm Fedora/Redhat runs there own fork.	Aug 01 13:57
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oiaohm	MinceR: notice the two names RayStrode, JonMccann	Aug 01 13:57
oiaohm	https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/GNOME_Display_Manager	Aug 01 13:58
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oiaohm	MinceR: then notice the names here.	Aug 01 13:58
oiaohm	No match at all.	Aug 01 13:58
MinceR	The GNOME Project (William Jon McCann, Brian Cameron, Ray Strode)	Aug 01 13:58
MinceR	Name: RayStrode, JonMccann	Aug 01 13:58
MinceR	yeah, no match whatsoever	Aug 01 13:59
oiaohm	MinceR: who is the one in charge of the main brance	Aug 01 13:59
oiaohm	branch	Aug 01 13:59
oiaohm	Brian Cameron	Aug 01 13:59
MinceR	no idea	Aug 01 13:59
oiaohm	Gnome policy against commercial control.	Aug 01 14:00
oiaohm	So you end up with the wrong people in charge.	Aug 01 14:00
oiaohm	And you end up with stupid forks.	Aug 01 14:00
MinceR	looks like they're not taking that policy seriously	Aug 01 14:00
MinceR	if they did, gnome would not depend on systemd	Aug 01 14:00
cubexyz	seems like a bad design	Aug 01 14:01
cubexyz	so you can't use gnome without also using systemd?	Aug 01 14:01
MinceR	you probably can, if you use the funtoo patches	Aug 01 14:01
MinceR	to gnome, that is	Aug 01 14:02
oiaohm	https://wiki.gnome.org/BrianCameron	Aug 01 14:02
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oiaohm	cubexyz: you can use gnome without systemd.	Aug 01 14:02
oiaohm	but you need distrobutions to have updated a particular package.	Aug 01 14:02
MinceR	i'm guessing that "particular package" is systemd	Aug 01 14:03
MinceR	"you can have it in any color you want, as long as it's black."	Aug 01 14:03
oiaohm	MinceR: wrong	Aug 01 14:03
oiaohm	http://consolekit2.github.io/ConsoleKit2/	Aug 01 14:04
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oiaohm	Before logind Linux systems used a older soltuion called consolekit MinceR	Aug 01 14:04
MinceR	if it ends in "kit", that's a bad sign	Aug 01 14:04
oiaohm	Consolekit went end of life.	Aug 01 14:04
MinceR	yeah, it was pushed off a cliff	Aug 01 14:04
oiaohm	Consolekit2 is the current uptodate version.	Aug 01 14:04
MinceR	to make way for glorious systemd	Aug 01 14:04
oiaohm	Consolekit2 contains Logind interfaces	Aug 01 14:05
oiaohm	So no need for systemd to use stuff depending on logind	Aug 01 14:05
MinceR	the ones gdm depends on?	Aug 01 14:05
oiaohm	Yep	Aug 01 14:05
oiaohm	Same with lightdm and sddm	Aug 01 14:05
oiaohm	Consolekit2 + openrc is very functional.	Aug 01 14:06
MinceR	i'm sure redcrap is working on that	Aug 01 14:06
MinceR	assuming it's true	Aug 01 14:06
oiaohm	Consolekit2 comes out of gentoo	Aug 01 14:06
oiaohm	Same with openrc	Aug 01 14:06
oiaohm	Your no alterative to systemd arguement has not been true MinceR	Aug 01 14:07
oiaohm	MinceR: https://wiki.gnome.org/Projects/ConsoleKit	Aug 01 14:09
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oiaohm	MinceR: if you had read a little more.	Aug 01 14:09
MinceR	it's not like redcrap won't try all the tricks in the m$ book to change that	Aug 01 14:09
oiaohm	KDE and Gnome and LXDE guys are checking there DM's against consolekit2	Aug 01 14:09
MinceR	http://lists.freedesktop.org/archives/systemd-devel/2014-May/019657.html	Aug 01 14:09
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MinceR	no way.	Aug 01 14:09
MinceR	kde announced they'll depend on systemd in this month	Aug 01 14:09
oiaohm	No MinceR	Aug 01 14:10
oiaohm	They said they would depend on logind	Aug 01 14:10
oiaohm	they did not say systemd	Aug 01 14:10
MinceR	which is a part of systemd	Aug 01 14:10
oiaohm	logind is consolekit2	Aug 01 14:10
MinceR	no, consolekit2 is consolekit2	Aug 01 14:10
oiaohm	No systemd is 1 implementation.	Aug 01 14:10
MinceR	yeah, just like windows is "1 implementation" of the windows api	Aug 01 14:10
oiaohm	logind is a api define.	Aug 01 14:11
MinceR	and internet explorer is "1 implementation" of what m$ wishes the web standards were	Aug 01 14:11
oiaohm	Now tested implemtentions KDE and GNome are using.	Aug 01 14:11
MinceR	(probably not too far since tbl sold out to them)	Aug 01 14:11
oiaohm	is that it works with consolekit, systemd and what ever openbsd does.	Aug 01 14:11
oiaohm	consolekit2 I should have typed there.	Aug 01 14:12
oiaohm	Reality is dependance on Logind is not dependance on systemd when the upstream developers are demarding testing against the other solutions.	Aug 01 14:12
oiaohm	Please remember lot of developers in KDE are gentoo.	Aug 01 14:13
MinceR	ooh, "testing"	Aug 01 14:13
MinceR	i doubt they even know that word at redcrap	Aug 01 14:13
oiaohm	But gentoo and BSD guys know what testing means. MinceR	Aug 01 14:13
MinceR	except in this context: "nobody of us tests this"	Aug 01 14:13
MinceR	https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=74589	Aug 01 14:13
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oiaohm	And will not put up with being stuck with a Init system they cannot remove.	Aug 01 14:14
MinceR	oiaohm: is that why gentoo added support for systemd, with the reasoning that this will let you use gnome?	Aug 01 14:14
oiaohm	systemd addition in gentoo is not gdm logind usage.	Aug 01 14:15
oiaohm	Its gnome sandboxed applications MinceR	Aug 01 14:15
MinceR	lol	Aug 01 14:15
oiaohm	My point is you are getting the faults wrong.	Aug 01 14:15
MinceR	i expect the gnome "sandbox" will make the chromium sandbox look good	Aug 01 14:15
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MinceR	s/m sandbox/m "sandbox"/	Aug 01 14:16
oiaohm	https://wiki.gnome.org/Projects/SandboxedApps	Aug 01 14:16
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oiaohm	MinceR: yes gnome sandbox design demards kdbus	Aug 01 14:16
MinceR	no surprise there	Aug 01 14:16
MinceR	the gnome project aspires to be the pinnacle of idiocy	Aug 01 14:17
oiaohm	MinceR: basically logind is not a problem.	Aug 01 14:17
MinceR	systemd, kdbus, CSD, crApple HIG	Aug 01 14:17
oiaohm	logind solves a lot of DM design nightmares.	Aug 01 14:17
MinceR	by replacing them with new ones	Aug 01 14:17
MinceR	btw, when is kmutter coming?	Aug 01 14:18
oiaohm	kdm has 8 backends to attempt to log into a system.	Aug 01 14:18
oiaohm	Hopefully attempting all them will not cause a kernel painic	Aug 01 14:18
oiaohm	logind provides a single location for the 1 to use to register.	Aug 01 14:18
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cubexyz	ok, custom is using $HOME/.xsession	Aug 01 14:45
cubexyz	which runs tinywm	Aug 01 14:45
cubexyz	and interestingly enough I can get my motif programs to work with tinywm	Aug 01 14:45
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cubexyz	oiaohm, do you have any idea what chooser does?	Aug 01 14:51
cubexyz	as in /etc/X11/xdm/chooser	Aug 01 14:51
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.billboard.com \| Sen. Al Franken Wants Federal Probe of Apple Music, App Store Practices \| Billboard [ http://ur1.ca/nbpfq ]		Aug 01 14:54
DaemonFC	"These types of restrictions seem to offer no competitive benefit and may actually undermine the competitive process, to the detriment of consumers, who may end up paying substantially more than the current market price point," Franken said in his letter.	Aug 01 14:54
DaemonFC	Franken's letter addresses concerns from music streaming services that believe consumers should be better informed about pricing disparities between the App store and their websites. Services including Spotify and Rdio charge $12.99/month in the App store to account for Apple's 30 percent cut. If purchased directly, the price would be $9.99/month.	Aug 01 14:54
DaemonFC	Taking matters into their own hands, Spotify recently announced plans to email iPhone users with directions on how to alter their subscriptions in order to save a few dollars each month. "It's super simple," the emailed tutorial reads.	Aug 01 14:54
DaemonFC	Apple Music, which launched June 30 to much fanfare, also charges $9.99 but does not have to worry about the company's 30 percent.	Aug 01 14:54
oiaohm	cubexyz: I don't have xdm installed.	Aug 01 14:58
oiaohm	cubexyz: http://www.me.umn.edu/~kaszeta/unix/xterminal/config.html	Aug 01 15:00
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cubexyz	oh it displays a menu of names and lets the user select one	Aug 01 15:05
oiaohm	Its what server to log into.	Aug 01 15:06
oiaohm	Hmm KDE 5 icon only task bar is nice.	Aug 01 15:06
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cubexyz	it would be nice if I could do a graphical login from any machine to any machine	Aug 01 15:15
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msb__	O Crap - Canada -- www.activistpost.com/2015/07/canada-is-tinpot-dictatorship.html	Aug 01 17:07
msb__	http://www.activistpost.com/2015/07/caada-is-tinpot-dictatorship.html	Aug 01 17:08
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msb__	http://www.activistpost.com/2015/07/canada-is-tinpot-dictatorship.html	Aug 01 17:09
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.activistpost.com \| Activist Post: Canada is a Tinpot Dictatorship [ http://ur1.ca/nbqgi ]		Aug 01 17:09
schestowitz	> Old history:	Aug 01 17:12
schestowitz	>	Aug 01 17:12
schestowitz	>> > ... I asked principal about this and he said that the city of	Aug 01 17:12
schestowitz	>> > [redacted] has a deal with Microsoft and they're not allowing this	Aug 01 17:12
schestowitz	>> > migration to happen or it would be a breach of contract...	Aug 01 17:13
schestowitz	https://twitter.com/whvholst/status/627512704991907840	Aug 01 17:16
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@whvholst: @schestowitz @glynmoody Fuzzing the Peeping Toms may cause you to stray into gray areas of (criminal) law.		Aug 01 17:16
schestowitz	Which law would that be?	Aug 01 17:16
cubexyz	hmmm?	Aug 01 17:35
cubexyz	I thought the Munich thing was a done deal	Aug 01 17:35
schestowitz	https://twitter.com/whvholst/status/627516279491035137	Aug 01 17:36
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@whvholst: @schestowitz @glynmoody The various implementations of artt. 4-5 of the Cybercrime Convention.		Aug 01 17:36
schestowitz	https://twitter.com/sheilabenson/status/627518111122620416	Aug 01 17:37
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@sheilabenson: .@schestowitz Surely people just open new sites. How do these mechanisms keep up ?		Aug 01 17:37
schestowitz	They probably don't, i.e. false marketing, wishful thinking	Aug 01 17:37
schestowitz	https://twitter.com/whvholst/status/627518605266165760	Aug 01 17:38
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@whvholst: @schestowitz @glynmoody In your case that would be art. 3 of the Computer Misuse Act 1990. http://t.co/SHoCpRVOnQ		Aug 01 17:38
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights--> www.legislation.gov.uk \| Computer Misuse Act 1990		Aug 01 17:38
cubexyz	MinceR, do you know of a mixer program for mwm?	Aug 01 17:53
cubexyz	there's xmmix but it's just too old	Aug 01 17:53
MinceR	i don't	Aug 01 17:53
cubexyz	like 1996 old	Aug 01 17:53
MinceR	but you could run alsamixer in a terminal	Aug 01 17:53
cubexyz	what do you know... it's in openbsd	Aug 01 18:05
MinceR	:)	Aug 01 18:11
MinceR	should have specified what audio interface the mixer is for	Aug 01 18:11
cubexyz	alsa for linux	Aug 01 18:13
cubexyz	I guess xmmix just opens /dev/mixer	Aug 01 18:16
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*TweetTuxMachines @NewEducaTec retweeted @tuxmachines: 'Steam for Linux Beta Client Updated with New...'		Aug 01 19:28
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines LEGO Smart Home http://t.co/XOHBFgGQNC	Aug 01 19:29
TweetTuxMachines	(www.linuxuser.co.uk)	Aug 01 19:29
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/nbrfq	Aug 01 19:29
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.linuxuser.co.uk \| LEGO Smart Home \| Linux User & Developer - the Linux and FOSS mag for a GNU generation		Aug 01 19:29
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Android for Work Gets Support from Major U.S.	Aug 01 19:40
TweetTuxMachines	Carriers http://t.co/Q7WpHzCgPY (ostatic.com)	Aug 01 19:40
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/nbriz	Aug 01 19:41
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-ostatic.com \| Android for Work Gets Support from Major U.S. Carriers		Aug 01 19:41
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Valve Launches Big SteamOS Sale over the	Aug 01 19:41
TweetTuxMachines	Weekend http://t.co/h5KTrEX72y	Aug 01 19:41
TweetTuxMachines	(news.softpedia.com) that's now	Aug 01 19:41
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-news.softpedia.com \| Valve Launches Big SteamOS Sale over the Weekend - Softpedia		Aug 01 19:41
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/nbrj0	Aug 01 19:41
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines ET: Legacy Is Preparing A New Wolfenstein Enemy	Aug 01 19:41
TweetTuxMachines	Territory Update http://t.co/ImD6XKujMJ	Aug 01 19:41
TweetTuxMachines	(www.phoronix.com)	Aug 01 19:41
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.phoronix.com \| ET: Legacy Is Preparing A New Wolfenstein Enemy Territory Update - Phoronix		Aug 01 19:41
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/nbrj1	Aug 01 19:41
MinceR	http://i.imgur.com/0m234lL.png	Aug 01 19:42
cubexyz	lol	Aug 01 19:42
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__martin__	"The start menu doesn't open and the shell command and adding the registry dword didn't work. I really don't know what to do..." :_D	Aug 01 19:50
__martin__	frustration staging	Aug 01 19:51
MinceR	i know what to do in that case	Aug 01 19:51
schestowitz	https://twitter.com/muzzarca/status/627551947617341440	Aug 01 19:51
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@muzzarca: @schestowitz let's get them. pls help my offer for a reward get across. https://t.co/WFCTsV8lbR		Aug 01 19:51
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@muzzarca: I offer €10k ten thousand for the names of the people who killed #Jericho with evidence. http://t.co/JJspbdjYJW #CecilTheLion Please RT.		Aug 01 19:51
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__martin__	"Every couple of minutes, I will experience 4-5 'bursts' of lag. This manifests as rubberbanding in games, and not being able to find the page while browsing. This only started happening after I upgraded to Windows 10. I've updated my wifi card adapter, uninstalled/reinstalled it, reset router/modem, nothing helps. Anyone had a similar issue? My ping stays down where it usually is during the whole t	Aug 01 19:54
__martin__	hing. " aka phone @ home	Aug 01 19:54
MinceR	:)	Aug 01 19:54
__martin__	mince, you should not have linked that reddit pic	Aug 01 19:54
MinceR	why?	Aug 01 19:55
__martin__	it's even better than /r/latvianjokes :_DD	Aug 01 19:55
MinceR	also, it's not from reddit	Aug 01 19:55
MinceR	oh, a screenshot of reddit	Aug 01 19:55
cubexyz	I wonder how the windows 10 users are doing	Aug 01 19:55
MinceR	probably the usual way	Aug 01 19:55
MinceR	suffering, and treating their suffering with cognitive dissonance	Aug 01 19:56
__martin__	also, on the other hand, this nsa-os finally doing something useful.. will redirect more pissed of wives/girlfriends towards nofap.org/yourbrainonporn.com ;)	Aug 01 19:56
MinceR	or simply being unaware that an OS doesn't have to suck that much	Aug 01 19:56
__martin__	father stuck at pirated vi$ta7 / we don't talk technical matters since he is vendor-locked for quite a few years and stubborn /	Aug 01 19:57
MinceR	i don't think it will redirect anyone there	Aug 01 19:57
cubexyz	nsa-os :)	Aug 01 19:57
cubexyz	finally an OS I will not try	Aug 01 19:57
__martin__	cubexyz: please man, if it was you who linked in here that healthy-mind manifesto sort of like a week ago, could you point me there again?	Aug 01 19:58
cubexyz	eh?	Aug 01 19:58
__martin__	or was it msb___ / perhaps even oiaohm	Aug 01 19:58
cubexyz	healthy mind manifesto I never heard of that	Aug 01 19:58
__martin__	ik	Aug 01 19:59
__martin__	it was inserted within a debate of how general public is overly tapped into commodity logic	Aug 01 19:59
__martin__	nevermind	Aug 01 19:59
cubexyz	sounds like something msb would write :)	Aug 01 20:00
cubexyz	my grep-fu comes up with this:	Aug 01 20:01
cubexyz	http://cosmicpenguin.com/CauseAndCure.html	Aug 01 20:01
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-cosmicpenguin.com \| THE CAUSE AND CURE OF HUMANITY'S PROBLEMS [ http://ur1.ca/n52a6 ]		Aug 01 20:01
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cubexyz	my manifesto would be like... I'm sick of everyone complaining about windows 10	Aug 01 20:02
cubexyz	the end	Aug 01 20:02
MinceR	i'm sick of everyone trying to force me to use shitty OS-es	Aug 01 20:03
MinceR	like vista10 and lendows	Aug 01 20:03
__martin__	yes	Aug 01 20:03
__martin__	that's it!	Aug 01 20:03
__martin__	thanks (=	Aug 01 20:03
__martin__	[me not backing up mozilla bookmark's while distro-hopping]	Aug 01 20:03
__martin__	s*	Aug 01 20:03
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__martin__	ahah	Aug 01 20:07
__martin__	"Laptop not powerful enough to open the start menu, cannot revert back to windows 8.1"	Aug 01 20:08
MinceR	lol	Aug 01 20:08
__martin__	okay, srsly, stopping this spam	Aug 01 20:08
__martin__	well have to conclude	Aug 01 20:08
XRevan86	__martin__: I had that thing on Insider Preview. I got my fun and then closed the VM.	Aug 01 20:08
__martin__	the brain standards lowered since the 2nd millenium crossing	Aug 01 20:09
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__martin__	nn*	Aug 01 20:11
__martin__	true botnet	Aug 01 20:11
__martin__	https://www.reddit.com/r/Windows10/comments/3ffmj2/laptop_wont_shut_down_anyone_else_have_this_and/	Aug 01 20:11
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights- ( status 503 @ https://www.reddit.com/r/Windows10/comments/3ffmj2/laptop_wont_shut_down_anyone_else_have_this_and/ )		Aug 01 20:12
__martin__	"It turns off the monitor, but the keyboard lights and fan stay on indefinitely. I let it sit for a hour last night then took the power cord out and went to bed. In the morning the battery was 100% dead."	Aug 01 20:12
MinceR	power management, micro$oft style!	Aug 01 20:13
__martin__	btw, a nice read http://citizen-ex.com/stories/io	Aug 01 20:14
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-citizen-ex.com \| The story of .io \| Citizen Ex		Aug 01 20:14
__martin__	okay three more "jokes" and then am off with that :_D	Aug 01 20:17
__martin__	"Reverted to 7 and now my mouse and keyboard won't work at the welcome screen."	Aug 01 20:18
cubexyz	didn't revert far back enough	Aug 01 20:18
MinceR	probably the usb stack decided they should be in different ports :>	Aug 01 20:19
MinceR	2015: not the day of windows on the desktop	Aug 01 20:19
MinceR	s/day/year/	Aug 01 20:19
__martin__	"Every time I start a game (any game), loud "spike sound" comes from the speakers."	Aug 01 20:19
__martin__	"RULES: No malware/spyware/rats etc. Nothing that would disrupt the freedom of the user" - https://windows10tweaksanddebloat.codeplex.com/	Aug 01 20:20
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-windows10tweaksanddebloat.codeplex.com \| Windows 10 Tweaks and Debloating Tools - Home [ http://ur1.ca/nbrtv ]		Aug 01 20:20
__martin__	xDDD	Aug 01 20:20
msb__	cubexyz: Thanks! Your grep-fu is the best!	Aug 01 20:32
cubexyz	np	Aug 01 20:32
__martin__	msb__: thx to you as well	Aug 01 20:34
msb__	__martin__: Glad you like it! Check it again in a week or so, I am putting in links and maybe more stuff.	Aug 01 20:36
__martin__	i will	Aug 01 20:36
__martin__	MinceR: the best one so far.. an advice from the m$ staffer: "Spam the activation servers - You can do this using the slmgr /ato command" :_D	Aug 01 20:36
MinceR	:)	Aug 01 20:37
*TweetTuxMachines @lipelinux favourited 'Steam for Linux Beta Client Updated with New...'		Aug 01 20:38
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Rackspace reaching out to women with ‘Linux for	Aug 01 20:38
TweetTuxMachines	Ladies’ http://t.co/O9bq8AXp8W	Aug 01 20:38
TweetTuxMachines	(www.expressnews.com)	Aug 01 20:38
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.expressnews.com \| Rackspace reaching out to women with ‘Linux for Ladies’ - San Antonio Express-News		Aug 01 20:38
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schestowitz	https://twitter.com/HenkPoley/status/627566742760505344	Aug 01 20:52
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@HenkPoley: @schestowitz @dabeaz there's something alike: http://t.co/jz1Cg8JIU0		Aug 01 20:52
schestowitz	That sort of feeds the "bad guys", too, might cause complication for user	Aug 01 20:53
schestowitz	https://twitter.com/HenkPoley/status/627568126432030720	Aug 01 20:54
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@HenkPoley: @schestowitz @dabeaz you could modify Privacy Badger to fill "filtered" cookies with fuzzed data.		Aug 01 20:54
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Installing Linux on a Mac, Why Bother?	Aug 01 21:44
TweetTuxMachines	http://t.co/ZVocIXjjiD (news.softpedia.com)	Aug 01 21:44
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/nbse9	Aug 01 21:44
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-news.softpedia.com \| Installing Linux on a Mac, Why Bother? - Softpedia		Aug 01 21:44
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Find the Perfect Linux-Compatible PC with	Aug 01 21:44
TweetTuxMachines	Ubuntu's Hardware Database	Aug 01 21:44
TweetTuxMachines	http://t.co/9vyz3kPrZj (lifehacker.com)	Aug 01 21:44
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-lifehacker.com \| Find the Perfect Linux-Compatible PC with Ubuntu's Hardware Database		Aug 01 21:44
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/nbsea	Aug 01 21:44
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines OnePlus 2 Review Roundup: Solid Android	Aug 01 21:44
TweetTuxMachines	Smartphone And Fantastic Tag Price	Aug 01 21:44
TweetTuxMachines	http://t.co/xMnPiEgMPF (www.techtimes.com)	Aug 01 21:44
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/nbseb	Aug 01 21:44
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.techtimes.com \| OnePlus 2 Review Roundup: Solid Android Smartphone And Fantastic Tag Price : PERSONAL TECH : Tech Times		Aug 01 21:44
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Links 1/8/2015: Steam Sale, blackPanther OS	Aug 01 22:02
TweetTuxMachines	14.1 http://t.co/30W6mlcnI2 (techrights.org)	Aug 01 22:02
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/nbsif	Aug 01 22:02
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org \| Links 1/8/2015: Steam Sale, blackPanther OS 14.1 \| Techrights		Aug 01 22:02
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines KDE and Akademy http://t.co/zUlSk3I8VQ	Aug 01 22:02
TweetTuxMachines	(www.tuxmachines.org)	Aug 01 22:02
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/nbsih	Aug 01 22:02
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org \| KDE and Akademy \| Tux Machines		Aug 01 22:02
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Leftovers: Gaming http://t.co/nmJXl3HAHo	Aug 01 22:02
TweetTuxMachines	(www.tuxmachines.org)	Aug 01 22:02
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/nbsim	Aug 01 22:02
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