IRC: #techrights @ FreeNode: September 6th, 2015-September 12th, 2015

TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Building My Own Ubuntu http://t.co/vMdFVCtPdH	Sep 06 00:05
TweetTuxMachines	(freedompenguin.com)	Sep 06 00:05
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-freedompenguin.com \| Building My Own Ubuntu \| Freedom Penguin		Sep 06 00:05
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/nooup	Sep 06 00:05
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Links 5/9/2015: Elive 2.6.10 Beta, Mozilla’s	Sep 06 00:05
TweetTuxMachines	Bugzilla Issue http://t.co/0AESHewqbL	Sep 06 00:05
TweetTuxMachines	(techrights.org)	Sep 06 00:05
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/noouq	Sep 06 00:05
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org \| Links 5/9/2015: Elive 2.6.10 Beta, Mozilla’s Bugzilla Issue \| Techrights		Sep 06 00:05
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Android Leftovers http://t.co/fw7HNL8Zdo	Sep 06 00:05
TweetTuxMachines	(www.tuxmachines.org)	Sep 06 00:05
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/noour	Sep 06 00:05
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org \| Android Leftovers \| Tux Machines		Sep 06 00:05
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Leftovers: Gaming http://t.co/D1c4iqroFW	Sep 06 00:05
TweetTuxMachines	(www.tuxmachines.org)	Sep 06 00:05
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/noouu	Sep 06 00:05
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org \| Leftovers: Gaming \| Tux Machines		Sep 06 00:05
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines today's howtos http://t.co/zicDrYhYZO	Sep 06 00:05
TweetTuxMachines	(www.tuxmachines.org)	Sep 06 00:05
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/noouv	Sep 06 00:05
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org \| today's howtos \| Tux Machines		Sep 06 00:05
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Leftovers: Software http://t.co/0W4TOWB6zh	Sep 06 00:06
TweetTuxMachines	(www.tuxmachines.org)	Sep 06 00:06
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/nooux	Sep 06 00:06
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org \| Leftovers: Software \| Tux Machines		Sep 06 00:06
MinceR	http://pbfcomics.com/41	Sep 06 00:30
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-pbfcomics.com \| The Perry Bible Fellowship		Sep 06 00:30
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines today's leftovers http://t.co/SmZFKM5Pa6	Sep 06 00:50
TweetTuxMachines	(www.tuxmachines.org)	Sep 06 00:50
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org \| today's leftovers \| Tux Machines		Sep 06 00:50
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/nop8y	Sep 06 00:50
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines The best Linux distro for schools?	Sep 06 00:50
TweetTuxMachines	http://t.co/ComNJ0Hijj (www.itworld.com)	Sep 06 00:50
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/nop90	Sep 06 00:50
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.itworld.com \| The best Linux distro for schools? \| ITworld		Sep 06 00:50
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines "Last month, the tech giant released a new line	Sep 06 00:50
TweetTuxMachines	of Linux mainframes dubbed the LinuxONE"	Sep 06 00:50
TweetTuxMachines	http://t.co/cv7vIIx9gA	Sep 06 00:50
TweetTuxMachines	(www.franchiseherald.com)	Sep 06 00:50
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.franchiseherald.com \| IBM Joins Open Mainframe Project For Wider Linux Adoption; New LinuxONE Mainframes Launched : Trending News : Franchise Herald		Sep 06 00:50
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/nop91	Sep 06 00:50
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cubexyz	ok, I'm living in the future	Sep 06 06:57
cubexyz	samsung's got 1 ghz watches with 512 megs of ram	Sep 06 06:57
msb__	Can you talk with Dick Tracy on it?	Sep 06 07:44
schestowitz	https://twitter.com/maggiesecret/status/640363690236121088	Sep 06 07:45
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@maggiesecret: but I don't see them listening 2 all T peoples's request 2 return their CPF. https://t.co/AISZQbtMI6		Sep 06 07:45
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz: #pap has "charity arm" to pretend it gives a **** about #singapore and not just plutocrats http://t.co/UUshazXrGJ http://t.co/w8vX0isVI7		Sep 06 07:45
schestowitz	https://twitter.com/maggiesecret/status/640364165039652865 https://twitter.com/maggiesecret/status/640364632650059776	Sep 06 07:46
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@maggiesecret: Surely in 50yrs while T nation has progressed T people hv progressed in their thinking&make better decisions https://t.co/AISZQbtMI6		Sep 06 07:46
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@maggiesecret: regarding personal welfare.Listen 2 T pple on their CPF issues.Y hv this not be factored in PAP action agenda yet https://t.co/AISZQbtMI6		Sep 06 07:46
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Market share share of #vista10 based on past	Sep 06 08:16
TweetTuxMachines	week’s logs in #tuxmachines is 0.18%.	Sep 06 08:16
TweetTuxMachines	http://t.co/uh0QkLYUv8 (techrights.org)	Sep 06 08:16
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/not0s	Sep 06 08:16
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org \| Vista 10 Reality Log - Techrights		Sep 06 08:16
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Fedora 22 – MATE Desktop	Sep 06 08:16
TweetTuxMachines	http://t.co/z5rjW3LqmH (www.paulmellors.net)	Sep 06 08:16
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/not0u	Sep 06 08:16
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.paulmellors.net \| Fedora 22 – MATE Desktop \| Paul Mellors DOT NET		Sep 06 08:16
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Android is getting 'Force Touch' too on this	Sep 06 08:22
TweetTuxMachines	one phone http://t.co/ow1uXZDD7P	Sep 06 08:22
TweetTuxMachines	(www.komando.com)	Sep 06 08:22
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.komando.com \| NO TITLE		Sep 06 08:22
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/not35	Sep 06 08:22
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Fedora 23 Will Have Beautiful Supplemental	Sep 06 08:23
TweetTuxMachines	Wallpaper http://t.co/6F8HatJEiL	Sep 06 08:23
TweetTuxMachines	(karl-tux-stadt.de) Lots of nature (all my	Sep 06 08:23
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-karl-tux-stadt.de \| Karl-Tux-Stadt » Blog Archi » Fedora 23 Will Have Beautiful Supplemental Wallpaper		Sep 06 08:23
TweetTuxMachines	desktops/activities have animals)	Sep 06 08:23
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/not3a	Sep 06 08:23
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines 10 Years Debian Developer	Sep 06 08:23
TweetTuxMachines	http://t.co/xos7NXyhXB (www.df7cb.de) "Debian	Sep 06 08:23
TweetTuxMachines	such a wonderful place to be!"	Sep 06 08:23
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.df7cb.de \| 10 Years Debian Developer		Sep 06 08:23
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/not3c	Sep 06 08:23
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-NickServ-schestowitz!~roy@host86-157-135-245.range86-157.btcentralplus.com has just authenticated as you (schestowitz)		Sep 06 08:25
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines The gcc-5 transition is coming to testing	Sep 06 09:22
TweetTuxMachines	tonight https://t.co/Z6XnpWf6R8	Sep 06 09:22
TweetTuxMachines	(nthykier.wordpress.com)	Sep 06 09:22
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-nthykier.wordpress.com \| The gcc-5 transition is coming to testing tonight \| nthykier		Sep 06 09:22
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/noto3	Sep 06 09:22
*TweetTuxMachines @AppWonderwall favourited 'Fedora 23 Will Have Beautiful Supplemental Wallpaper http://t.co/6F8HatJEiL...'		Sep 06 09:22
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Next MATE Desktop Release to Add Display	Sep 06 10:21
TweetTuxMachines	Settings and Power Management Improvements	Sep 06 10:21
TweetTuxMachines	http://t.co/dD3pgovPVf (www.tuxmachines.org)	Sep 06 10:21
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/nou6v	Sep 06 10:21
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org \| Next MATE Desktop Release to Add Display Settings and Power Management Improvements \| Tux Machines		Sep 06 10:21
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines A Long Term Review of Android Devices	Sep 06 10:21
TweetTuxMachines	http://t.co/JrpLTVpqZz (www.tuxmachines.org)	Sep 06 10:21
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/nou6w	Sep 06 10:21
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org \| A Long Term Review of Android Devices \| Tux Machines		Sep 06 10:21
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines KDE Plasma 5.4 Lands in Kubuntu 15.10 (Wily	Sep 06 10:21
TweetTuxMachines	Werewolf) http://t.co/1HfJLQxnv7	Sep 06 10:21
TweetTuxMachines	(www.tuxmachines.org)	Sep 06 10:21
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org \| KDE Plasma 5.4 Lands in Kubuntu 15.10 (Wily Werewolf) \| Tux Machines		Sep 06 10:21
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/nou6x	Sep 06 10:21
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Wine Announcement http://t.co/WqeAcy1DQ9	Sep 06 16:02
TweetTuxMachines	(www.tuxmachines.org)	Sep 06 16:02
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/nox6d	Sep 06 16:02
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org \| Wine Announcement \| Tux Machines		Sep 06 16:02
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines First Tizen OS-Based Samsung Gear S2 Smartwatch	Sep 06 16:11
TweetTuxMachines	To Support Both Android and iOS Platforms	Sep 06 16:11
TweetTuxMachines	http://t.co/CrM7l15iip (www.tuxmachines.org)	Sep 06 16:11
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/nox9a	Sep 06 16:11
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org \| First Tizen OS-Based Samsung Gear S2 Smartwatch To Support Both Android and iOS Platforms \| Tux Machines		Sep 06 16:11
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Ubuntu Will Not Abandon DEB Packaging in Favor	Sep 06 16:11
TweetTuxMachines	of Snappy, Says Mark Shuttleworth	Sep 06 16:11
TweetTuxMachines	http://t.co/DJCWsoLprH (www.tuxmachines.org)	Sep 06 16:11
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/nox9c	Sep 06 16:11
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org \| Ubuntu Will Not Abandon DEB Packaging in Favor of Snappy, Says Mark Shuttleworth \| Tux Machines		Sep 06 16:11
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Introducing Apricity OS, an Arch Linux	Sep 06 16:11
TweetTuxMachines	Derivative for the Modern Linux User - Video	Sep 06 16:11
TweetTuxMachines	http://t.co/Zjk0qnkZrl (www.tuxmachines.org)	Sep 06 16:11
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/nox9d	Sep 06 16:11
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org \| Introducing Apricity OS, an Arch Linux Derivative for the Modern Linux User - Video \| Tux Machines		Sep 06 16:11
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines [How To] Access Linux Files In Windows When	Sep 06 19:45
TweetTuxMachines	Dual Booting Linux, Ubuntu, Linux Mint And	Sep 06 19:45
TweetTuxMachines	Windows 10 / 8.1 http://t.co/5halL1EWs2	Sep 06 19:45
TweetTuxMachines	(www.tuxmachines.org)	Sep 06 19:45
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/nozae	Sep 06 19:45
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org \| [How To] Access Linux Files In Windows When Dual Booting Linux, Ubuntu, Linux Mint And Windows 10 / 8.1 \| Tux Machines		Sep 06 19:45
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Nokia (NOK) Working On Android-Based Smartphone	Sep 06 19:45
TweetTuxMachines	http://t.co/asC530ANkT (www.tuxmachines.org)	Sep 06 19:45
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/nozaf	Sep 06 19:45
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org \| Nokia (NOK) Working On Android-Based Smartphone \| Tux Machines		Sep 06 19:46
schestowitz	https://twitter.com/haniefhaider/status/640596251965288449	Sep 06 19:47
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@haniefhaider: @schestowitz Better to kill him as a criminal than spare him 4 what he really is..a white terrorist & damage the agitprop for endless wars?		Sep 06 19:47
schestowitz	death penalty helps show us as no more merciful or humane than, say, Saudi Arabia or Singapore (horrible regimes)...	Sep 06 19:48
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schestowitz	https://joindiaspora.com/posts/6562176	Sep 06 20:00
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: #apple "OK" with apps where animals and humans killed, but not "hunters" http://www.cnet.com/uk/news/apple-bans-app-that-lets-you-shoot-at-hunters/ http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/news/cecil-lion-game-revenge-hunters-820043		Sep 06 20:00
schestowitz	"Think of the poachers."	Sep 06 20:00
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights--> www.cnet.com \| Apple bans app that lets you shoot at hunters - CNET [ http://ur1.ca/nozgt ]		Sep 06 20:00
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights--> www.hollywoodreporter.com \| Cecil the Lion Game That Guns Down Hunters Turned Down by Apple, Approved by Google - Hollywood Reporter [ http://ur1.ca/nozgu ]		Sep 06 20:00
schestowitz	This game might incite animals against them :-)	Sep 06 20:00
schestowitz	https://joindiaspora.com/posts/6561476	Sep 06 20:01
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: Can we trust Iran? Can they trust us? http://www.citizen-times.com/story/opinion/contributors/2015/09/04/can-trust-iran-can-trust-us/71705362/ "Do you find my question insulting?"		Sep 06 20:01
schestowitz	"Well, Persians invented chess? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chess . Hope the author is more informed"	Sep 06 20:01
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights--> www.citizen-times.com \| Can we trust Iran? Can they trust us? [ http://ur1.ca/nozh1 ]		Sep 06 20:01
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-en.wikipedia.org \| Chess - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia		Sep 06 20:01
schestowitz	"I see no reason to distrust Iran. Heck, I see no reason to believe that they were planning to build a nuclear bomb. Whether they can trust us, that’s a different story."	Sep 06 20:01
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msb__	Israel has 400 nuclear bombs and they are slowly exterminating the Palestinians. Israel bombed the water pipes in Gaza so the Palestinians are drinking sewage.	Sep 06 20:24
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schestowitz	http://www.albawaba.com/business/pr/red-hat-announces-participation-idc-cio-summit-2015-riyadh-739756	Sep 06 20:35
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.albawaba.com \| Red Hat announces participation at IDC CIO Summit 2015 in Riyadh \| Al Bawaba [ http://ur1.ca/nozu0 ]		Sep 06 20:35
schestowitz	LOL	Sep 06 20:35
schestowitz	Riyadh	Sep 06 20:35
schestowitz	watch out	Sep 06 20:35
schestowitz	or lose your head...	Sep 06 20:35
schestowitz	!google Riyadh beheadings 205	Sep 06 20:35
TechrightsBot-tr	[1] - When It Comes to Beheadings, ISIS Has Nothing Over Saudi Arabia \| http://www.newsweek.com/2014/10/24/when-it-comes-beheadings-isis-has-nothing-over-saudi-arabia-277385.html	Sep 06 20:35
TechrightsBot-tr	[2] - ISIS Beheadings and Saudi Punishments: 'Difference Is Clear' - NBC ... \| http://www.nbcnews.com/news/world/isis-beheadings-saudi-punishments-difference-clear-n296876	Sep 06 20:35
TechrightsBot-tr	[3] - Saudi Arabia Has Record Year — For Beheadings — War Is Boring ... \| https://medium.com/war-is-boring/saudi-arabia-has-record-year-for-beheadings-a538d0362e06	Sep 06 20:35
TechrightsBot-tr	[4] - WARNING: Extremely Graphic Beheading Video in Saudi Arabia ... \| http://www.youtube.com/watch%3Fv%3DV9DjzvyL0RQ	Sep 06 20:35
schestowitz	I don't even want to click [4]	Sep 06 20:35
schestowitz	if Google at all allows it to remain online	Sep 06 20:36
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Themes Of The Day \| http://t.co/ZQvoukf5df	Sep 06 20:54
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.LinuxAndUbuntu.com \| LinuxAndUbuntu - LinuxUbuntu Apps Reviews \| Tutorials \| HowTos \| News		Sep 06 20:54
TweetTuxMachines	(www.linuxandubuntu.com) http://t.co/86r0kxQ1u3	Sep 06 20:54
TweetTuxMachines	(www.tuxmachines.org)	Sep 06 20:54
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org \| Themes Of The Day \| LinuxAndUbuntu.com \| Tux Machines		Sep 06 20:54
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines TechBytes Episode 89: Back Into Season 5	Sep 06 20:54
TweetTuxMachines	retweeted by http://t.co/pYO7xfCeBg (bytesmedia.co.uk)	Sep 06 20:54
TweetTuxMachines	@schestowitz	Sep 06 20:54
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/np03a	Sep 06 20:54
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-bytesmedia.co.uk \| Bytes Media - TechBytes Episode 89: Back Into Season 5		Sep 06 20:54
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schestowitz	https://twitter.com/retroDoomer/status/640614766281515008	Sep 06 21:23
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@retroDoomer: @schestowitz hahaha! We're taking over, new school versus grey beards.		Sep 06 21:23
cubexyz	don't knock the grey beards	Sep 06 21:24
cubexyz	the grey beards invented Unix	Sep 06 21:24
cubexyz	did you find a keyboard you like msb__ ?	Sep 06 21:26
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines TechBytes Episode 89: Back Into Season 5	Sep 06 21:40
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Nokia (NOK) Working On Android-Based Smartphone	Sep 06 21:41
TweetTuxMachines	http://t.co/cyBIJU7MMO (www.bidnessetc.com)	Sep 06 21:41
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schestowitz	https://twitter.com/bigonbe/status/640625017177436160	Sep 06 21:43
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@bigonbe: @schestowitz The bsdutils package is built from util-linux source package		Sep 06 21:43
schestowitz	and that one depends on systemd?	Sep 06 21:43
cubexyz	why not just run openbsd instead?	Sep 06 21:45
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cubexyz	at least have one machine that's really unix	Sep 06 21:48
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Wine Announcement https://t.co/D0gm7Lk8P5	Sep 06 21:49
TweetTuxMachines	(www.winehq.org)	Sep 06 21:49
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines KDE Plasma 5.4 Lands in Kubuntu 15.10 (Wily	Sep 06 21:49
TweetTuxMachines	Werewolf) http://t.co/rlNrL7UKwL	Sep 06 21:49
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines A Long Term Review of Android Devices	Sep 06 21:49
TweetTuxMachines	http://t.co/FKP6G61Y0F (etbe.coker.com.au)	Sep 06 21:49
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Next MATE Desktop Release to Add Display	Sep 06 21:59
TweetTuxMachines	Settings and Power Management Improvements	Sep 06 21:59
TweetTuxMachines	http://t.co/0YpdKVoHyx (linux.softpedia.com)	Sep 06 21:59
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-linux.softpedia.com \| Next MATE Desktop Release to Add Display Settings and Power Management Improvements - Softpedia		Sep 06 21:59
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Ubuntu Will Not Abandon DEB Packaging in Favor	Sep 06 21:59
TweetTuxMachines	of Snappy, Says Mark Shuttleworth	Sep 06 21:59
TweetTuxMachines	http://t.co/KiNwmj1EmR (news.softpedia.com)	Sep 06 21:59
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Introducing Apricity OS, an Arch Linux	Sep 06 21:59
TweetTuxMachines	Derivative for the Modern Linux User - Video	Sep 06 21:59
TweetTuxMachines	http://t.co/xyBF4E6GSG (news.softpedia.com)	Sep 06 21:59
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schestowitz	https://twitter.com/bigonbe/status/640627533109702656 https://twitter.com/bigonbe/status/640628006474620928	Sep 06 22:02
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@bigonbe: @schestowitz Yes, it's that one depending on libsystemd (and not bsdmainutils) because logger write to the journal in addition to syslog		Sep 06 22:02
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@bigonbe: @schestowitz bsdmainutils is a collection of tools straight from *BSD, bsdutils is a GNU reimplementation of BSD tools AFAIK		Sep 06 22:02
schestowitz	So this kludge now makes it virtually impossible to uninstall #systemd unless you hose pretty much everything	Sep 06 22:03
schestowitz	https://twitter.com/bigonbe/status/640625017177436160	Sep 06 22:04
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@bigonbe: @schestowitz The bsdutils package is built from util-linux source package		Sep 06 22:04
schestowitz	https://twitter.com/retroDoomer/status/640628256589279234	Sep 06 22:06
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@retroDoomer: @schestowitz huh? I thought a week ago he said they would		Sep 06 22:06
schestowitz	maybe backpedal	Sep 06 22:06
schestowitz	https://twitter.com/retroDoomer/status/640631989817610240	Sep 06 22:07
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@retroDoomer: @schestowitz @bigonbe systemd is still better than init scripts which duplicate a lot of work. And people can still modify systemd		Sep 06 22:07
schestowitz	it's not an init system	Sep 06 22:08
schestowitz	https://twitter.com/bigonbe/status/640632348741083137	Sep 06 22:09
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@bigonbe: @schestowitz Euh? it depends against _libsystemd0_ not systemd running as PID1. Who cares about a lib that turn itself into a noop?		Sep 06 22:09
schestowitz	https://twitter.com/retroDoomer/status/640634160332193792	Sep 06 22:15
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@retroDoomer: @schestowitz @bigonbe what would you call it?		Sep 06 22:15
schestowitz	new kernel, work in progress, started as init system...	Sep 06 22:15
schestowitz	https://twitter.com/retroDoomer/status/640635907691819008	Sep 06 22:23
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@retroDoomer: @schestowitz @bigonbe that's hilarious. A new kernel? Are you seriously that angst about it?		Sep 06 22:23
schestowitz	I'm exaggerating a little, but they're taking over much of the kernel tools/functions, and make choice an impossibility	Sep 06 22:23
schestowitz	https://twitter.com/AJimenez1988/status/640636686326755329	Sep 06 22:27
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@AJimenez1988: @schestowitz "Politics is war without armed bloodshed. War is politics with armed bloodshed".		Sep 06 22:27
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schestowitz	https://twitter.com/bigonbe/status/640637448075264000	Sep 06 22:32
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@bigonbe: @schestowitz systemd is taking over function from the kernel???		Sep 06 22:32
schestowitz	https://twitter.com/frisdenker/status/640637468346351616	Sep 06 22:32
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@frisdenker: @schestowitz @meneer Should that be exciting? Another Android phone.		Sep 06 22:32
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cubexyz	if you really want to be positive you're OS has no traces at all of systemd then openbsd is a good choice	Sep 06 22:36
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cubexyz	even though Linux is great, it's not a good idea to be completely dependent on it	Sep 06 22:36
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cubexyz	it would be foolish not to at least consider running an alternative	Sep 06 22:36
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cubexyz	s/you're/your/	Sep 06 22:36
cubexyz	unfortunately we can't be sure that the Linux distros will stay systemd free	Sep 06 22:37
msb__	cubexyz: Keyboard? Yes! MinceR found me this one: http://www.amazon.com/CM-Storm-QuickFire-TK-Mechanical/dp/B00AOIRCI6	Sep 06 22:39
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.amazon.com \| Amazon.com: CM Storm QuickFire TK - Compact Mechanical Gaming Keyboard with CHERRY MX RED Switches and Fully LED Backlit: Computers & Accessories [ http://ur1.ca/np1az ]		Sep 06 22:39
cubexyz	but there's no function keys on the left like you wanted?	Sep 06 22:40
msb__	I can fix the driver so it maps Alt+n -> Fn, which won't be hard to get used to.	Sep 06 22:40
msb__	And it doesn't require extra reaching.	Sep 06 22:40
msb__	The keypad on the right is a little different, but I can deal with that too.	Sep 06 22:42
cubexyz	huh, I have to build unrar from source on openbsd	Sep 06 22:43
cubexyz	not only that	Sep 06 22:43
cubexyz	it can't be the newest version either	Sep 06 22:43
msb__	Don't the bsd's have a shim for running Linux executables?	Sep 06 22:45
cubexyz	I'd rather avoid that	Sep 06 22:45
cubexyz	better to compile from source	Sep 06 22:45
cubexyz	swprintf undeclared	Sep 06 22:46
cubexyz	must be a new function	Sep 06 22:46
cubexyz	ok, unrar 3.91 it is until I upgrade openbsd	Sep 06 22:47
cubexyz	I wonder why unrar was missing from the repos	Sep 06 22:48
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cubexyz	wide character output	Sep 06 22:52
cubexyz	tsk, why bother with wide character output on unrar?	Sep 06 22:54
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Ubuntu Touch Transforms into an Ubuntu Desktop	Sep 06 22:54
TweetTuxMachines	- Video http://t.co/VordLQk42T	Sep 06 22:54
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-news.softpedia.com \| Ubuntu Touch Transforms into an Ubuntu Desktop - Video - Softpedia		Sep 06 22:54
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Satellite Reign Strategy Game Released For	Sep 06 22:54
TweetTuxMachines	Linux, Some Impressions http://t.co/9tu45ezt3s	Sep 06 22:54
TweetTuxMachines	(www.gamingonlinux.com)	Sep 06 22:54
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/np1ga	Sep 06 22:54
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.gamingonlinux.com \| Satellite Reign Strategy Game Released For Linux, Some Impressions \| GamingOnLinux		Sep 06 22:54
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines The September 2015 Issue of the PCLinuxOS	Sep 06 22:54
TweetTuxMachines	Magazine http://t.co/OaGVlCZiqn (pclosmag.com)	Sep 06 22:54
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-pclosmag.com \| PCLinuxOS Magazine - List Of Articles		Sep 06 22:54
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msb__	cubexyz: Wide characters are un-American! Everyone should speak English or we'll bomb the crap out of them. We're working in that...	Sep 06 22:56
msb__	on that	Sep 06 22:56
cubexyz	guess I should watch "The Omega Glory" to re-indoctrinate myself :)	Sep 06 22:57
r_schestowitz	https://twitter.com/AJimenez1988/status/640644960069529600	Sep 06 22:58
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@AJimenez1988: @schestowitz I still dream of an alternate reality in which Elop is homeless and MeeGo became a major player.		Sep 06 22:58
cubexyz	that's a joke, hence the smilie on the end	Sep 06 22:58
msb__	The STTOS episode.	Sep 06 22:59
cubexyz	yes :)	Sep 06 22:59
msb__	Ironic, since Captain Jirk made it his business to destroy any culture that didn't obey the Protestant Work Ethic.	Sep 06 23:06
cubexyz	what, other types of work ethics don't measure up?	Sep 06 23:07
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines NCR introduces Android-based ATMs	Sep 06 23:07
TweetTuxMachines	http://t.co/Yt84zmjT5k (www.thestar.com.my)	Sep 06 23:08
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Ubuntu Touch Transforms into an Ubuntu Desktop	Sep 06 23:08
TweetTuxMachines	- Video http://t.co/eaeoxyRc9H	Sep 06 23:08
TweetTuxMachines	(www.tuxmachines.org)	Sep 06 23:08
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org \| Ubuntu Touch Transforms into an Ubuntu Desktop - Video \| Tux Machines		Sep 06 23:08
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Unique-Looking HandyLinux 2.2 Now Based on	Sep 06 23:08
TweetTuxMachines	Debian 8.2 http://t.co/84BfFAYnym	Sep 06 23:08
TweetTuxMachines	(www.tuxmachines.org)	Sep 06 23:08
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines NCR introduces Android-based ATMs	Sep 06 23:08
TweetTuxMachines	http://t.co/EBI1HZGM4s (www.tuxmachines.org)	Sep 06 23:08
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msb__	Immortality, nice-weather machine, Happiness, basically.	Sep 06 23:08
*cubexyz considers switching to MartinLutherOS, guaranteed not to have systemd in it		Sep 06 23:08
r_schestowitz	https://twitter.com/AJimenez1988/status/640646092649054208	Sep 06 23:10
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@AJimenez1988: @schestowitz Handsomely in the short and mid term. But ultimately it dooms you.		Sep 06 23:10
msb__	cubexyz: Does it require nailing anything to your computer?	Sep 06 23:11
cubexyz	I'll nail the Unix Philosophy on there	Sep 06 23:11
msb__	I asked on #suse-chat if there were any plans to make systemd optional. The answer was "That ship has sailed."	Sep 06 23:30
msb__	#opensuse-chat	Sep 06 23:31
MinceR	suse was always shit, afaict	Sep 06 23:33
msb__	I thought it was great. Well engineered, reliable, good help in IRC.	Sep 06 23:34
r_schestowitz	https://twitter.com/SleepyPenguin1/status/640654000531111936	Sep 06 23:35
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@SleepyPenguin1: Cyanogen OS @schestowitz Any comments ? Better or worse than Android ? https://t.co/tMKgYgHBoO		Sep 06 23:35
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights--> cyngn.com \| Cyanogen - Cyanogen OS		Sep 06 23:35
r_schestowitz	worse	Sep 06 23:35
MinceR	it always had a rotten reputation, and the versions i tried were crap	Sep 06 23:35
MinceR	and then novell bought suse and became a m$ drone	Sep 06 23:36
MinceR	and then they forced systemd on their users	Sep 06 23:36
r_schestowitz	http://www.google.com/custom?q=cyanogen&sa=Google+%E2%80%BA&sitesearch=techrights.org&client=pub-2479740519054892&forid=1&ie=ISO-8859-1&oe=ISO-8859-1&cof=GALT%3A%23999999%3BGL%3A1%3BDIV%3A%23336699%3BVLC%3A999999%3BAH%3Acenter%3BBGC%3AFFFFFF%3BLBGC%3A999999%3BALC%3A666666%3BLC%3A666666%3BT%3A000000%3BGFNT%3A333333%3BGIMP%3A333333%3BLH%3A50%3BLW%3A50%3BL%3Ahttp%3A%2F%2Ftechrights.org%2Ftechrights-search.png%3BS%3Ahttp%3A%2F%2Fschestowitz.	Sep 06 23:36
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r_schestowitz	com%3BFORID%3A1%3B&hl=en	Sep 06 23:36
MinceR	suse's idea of netinstall is "you'll have to know the ip address of and path on our ftp server by heart"	Sep 06 23:36
MinceR	apparently writing those into a config file on the image would be too difficult for suse	Sep 06 23:36
msb__	Or write it on a piece of paper.	Sep 06 23:37
MinceR	or use a distro that was made by people who know what they're doing.	Sep 06 23:37
MinceR	"open"suse is third to force systemd users on this list: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Systemd#Adoption_and_reception	Sep 06 23:38
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-en.wikipedia.org \| systemd - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia [ http://ur1.ca/nci1p ]		Sep 06 23:38
MinceR	before even arch	Sep 06 23:38
msb__	That's an _extremely_ tiny flaw from which to conclude that they don't know what they're doing. Of course adopting systemd _does_ prove it.	Sep 06 23:39
msb__	Well, they were good to me for a dozen years. I even bought boxed sets.	Sep 06 23:40
MinceR	they couldn't even be bothered to include code to resolve dns.	Sep 06 23:41
msb__	And now they've become Pod People.	Sep 06 23:42
MinceR	and that "open"suse install set the keyboard up to be unusable by default	Sep 06 23:42
MinceR	the shortest keypress resulted in dozens of character repeats	Sep 06 23:42
msb__	Not for me.	Sep 06 23:42
MinceR	and when i used sles/sled at work, it took ages to hunt down a few binary packages	Sep 06 23:43
MinceR	because binary packages are so precious	Sep 06 23:43
msb__	Did you ask for help in IRC?	Sep 06 23:45
MinceR	no	Sep 06 23:45
XRevan86	I think I missed a lot of openSUSE stuff	Sep 06 23:46
XRevan86	in here	Sep 06 23:46
XRevan86	no-systemd is almost a lost cause in openSUSE	Sep 06 23:46
msb__	#suse is very helpful. I've taken a few turns there.	Sep 06 23:46
XRevan86	but… if only someone could actually package the non-systemd stuff, like it was made in Arch	Sep 06 23:46
XRevan86	but nobody does and so here we are	Sep 06 23:47
XRevan86	as a non-English, I had no problems with keyboard layouts	Sep 06 23:48
msb__	XRevan86: I don't understand: "if only someone could actually package the non-systemd stuff..."	Sep 06 23:51
XRevan86	msb__: build.opensuse.org is a free place for any activity by anybody	Sep 06 23:51
XRevan86	except for patenting stuff	Sep 06 23:51
XRevan86	patented I mean	Sep 06 23:51
msb__	So...?	Sep 06 23:52
XRevan86	https://build.opensuse.org/project/show/Base:sysv project already exists but, as you see, maintainer… left	Sep 06 23:52
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msb__	Ah	Sep 06 23:53
XRevan86	msb__: So, if someone wants, that someone can support the stuff.	Sep 06 23:53
XRevan86	or, more proper to say, to make the stuff from stratch	Sep 06 23:55
XRevan86	scratch*	Sep 06 23:55
msb__	XRevan86: But aren't there other non-init programs that now depend on systemd?	Sep 06 23:55
XRevan86	msb__: The same method as with Devuan applies	Sep 06 23:56
XRevan86	repackage && PROFIT	Sep 06 23:56
XRevan86	and there's systemd-shim that can help	Sep 06 23:56
cubexyz	I'm leaning more towards openbsd these days	Sep 07 00:00
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Debian 8.2 and More Debian	Sep 07 00:01
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org \| Debian 8.2 and More Debian \| Tux Machines		Sep 07 00:01
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Systemd Starts Doing NTP/Timezones, Unified	Sep 07 00:01
TweetTuxMachines	Cgroup Hierarchy http://t.co/5ihnBmDdcl	Sep 07 00:01
TweetTuxMachines	(www.phoronix.com)	Sep 07 00:01
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.phoronix.com \| Systemd Starts Doing NTP/Timezones, Unified Cgroup Hierarchy - Phoronix		Sep 07 00:01
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cubexyz	void linux needs a P4 or newer evidently	Sep 07 00:01
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Unique-Looking HandyLinux 2.2 Now Based on	Sep 07 00:01
TweetTuxMachines	Debian 8.2 http://t.co/shIJflsz7a	Sep 07 00:01
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r_schestowitz	https://twitter.com/SleepyPenguin1/status/640655301100851200	Sep 07 00:01
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@SleepyPenguin1: @schestowitz Oh.. okay. I'll wander off to bed now .... :)		Sep 07 00:01
cubexyz	once I repair this old toughbook I'll make it into a void box	Sep 07 00:02
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MinceR	i'd rather avoid systemd-shim	Sep 07 00:19
MinceR	i don't want to reward redcrap for forcing their APIs on people	Sep 07 00:19
XRevan86	MinceR: Well, it's a start.	Sep 07 00:20
XRevan86	I'm not suggesting anything, just that it would make the impossible task less impossible.	Sep 07 00:21
MinceR	yes, it's a start to adopt systemd's toxic APIs	Sep 07 00:21
XRevan86	and maybe even pretty possible	Sep 07 00:21
MinceR	it's not impossible	Sep 07 00:21
MinceR	debian 7 can do it, gentoo can do it, slackware can do it	Sep 07 00:21
XRevan86	MinceR: Yeah, that's what I'm suggesting. Adopt systemd's toxic API in openSUSE.	Sep 07 00:21
XRevan86	with systemd-shim	Sep 07 00:22
MinceR	i don't see any point in using *suse at all	Sep 07 00:22
DaemonFC	So basically they're avoiding systemd by reimplementing everything it does with different bugs and quirks.	Sep 07 00:29
DaemonFC	Because that's smart. :P	Sep 07 00:30
MinceR	and the same braindead interfaces	Sep 07 00:30
MinceR	which depend on d-bus	Sep 07 00:30
DaemonFC	soon to be kdbus-shim? :)	Sep 07 00:32
cubexyz	kdbus-new-shim-systemd-shim-other-shims-just-in-case	Sep 07 00:33
MinceR	well, i expect redcrap to introduce backward incompatibility into kdbus once it's securely in place	Sep 07 00:35
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cubexyz	by Fedora 15 it was time to bail out	Sep 07 00:51
MinceR	indeed	Sep 07 00:52
MinceR	maybe they'll even introduce it before kdbus is merged into linux, to try and force it	Sep 07 00:52
cubexyz	mwm via Xnest with anti-aliased fonts looks pretty swish	Sep 07 01:08
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Links 6/9/2015: Debian 8.2, HandyLinux 2.2	Sep 07 01:10
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Leftovers: KDE http://t.co/jqxnd26yZP	Sep 07 01:11
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msb__	I just had a scary dream. I was on a planet where a war had been fought, or some dangerous experiments had been done, and various deadly pieces of equipment were left scattered around, buried. There was no way to find them. But every house had a meter that would detect if one of them had been activated. So I was sitting watching a movie with my friends, and the meter on the wall started beeping. It meant that one of those _things	Sep 07 01:54
msb__	had been triggered. We had five minutes to get a lightyear away before the entire planet was turned into a total-conversion bomb. We weren't going to make it...	Sep 07 01:54
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Leftovers: Gaming http://t.co/wQZDfUctVL	Sep 07 02:01
TweetTuxMachines	(www.tuxmachines.org)	Sep 07 02:01
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TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/np3cg	Sep 07 02:01
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines today's howtos http://t.co/7BjDgl2I3H	Sep 07 02:01
TweetTuxMachines	(www.tuxmachines.org)	Sep 07 02:01
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/np3ch	Sep 07 02:01
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org \| today's howtos \| Tux Machines		Sep 07 02:01
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Leftovers: Software http://t.co/0paKVu4lfK	Sep 07 02:01
TweetTuxMachines	(www.tuxmachines.org)	Sep 07 02:01
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/np3ck	Sep 07 02:01
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org \| Leftovers: Software \| Tux Machines		Sep 07 02:01
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines today's leftovers http://t.co/8kDdljIx5L	Sep 07 02:01
TweetTuxMachines	(www.tuxmachines.org)	Sep 07 02:01
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/np3cl	Sep 07 02:01
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org \| today's leftovers \| Tux Machines		Sep 07 02:01
msb__	https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Black_swan_theory	Sep 07 02:23
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-en.wikipedia.org \| Black swan theory - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia [ http://ur1.ca/np3jf ]		Sep 07 02:23
cubexyz	ok, I came up with a solution for missing applications on the openbsd side	Sep 07 02:25
cubexyz	e.g. ssh -X cubeman@vector FBReader	Sep 07 02:25
cubexyz	X11 forwarding must be on of course	Sep 07 02:28
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cubexyz	pretty happy with the configuration now	Sep 07 03:04
cubexyz	I've built a openbsd-style moat so to speak	Sep 07 03:04
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cubexyz	I don't relish going though this configuration process again	Sep 07 03:16
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cubexyz	the chromebook does one thing that's not really very good	Sep 07 05:34
cubexyz	zooming text in chrome changes the resolution of the display	Sep 07 05:34
cubexyz	on other computers the font increases in size	Sep 07 05:34
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schestowitz	https://joindiaspora.com/posts/6563894	Sep 07 08:25
schestowitz	"He is almost too happy about this …"	Sep 07 08:25
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schestowitz	https://joindiaspora.com/posts/6563894	Sep 07 08:29
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schestowitz	> http://as2914.net/#/	Sep 07 08:36
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schestowitz	>	Sep 07 08:37
schestowitz	> Good tech site ..	Sep 07 08:37
schestowitz	>	Sep 07 08:37
schestowitz	> https://news.ycombinator.com/	Sep 07 08:37
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-news.ycombinator.com \| Hacker News		Sep 07 08:37
schestowitz	Looks like a galaxy...	Sep 07 08:37
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schestowitz	https://joindiaspora.com/posts/6561839	Sep 07 08:41
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: If #malala - a critic of		Sep 07 08:41
schestowitz	"Ah, I see. Thanks!"	Sep 07 08:41
schestowitz	https://joindiaspora.com/posts/6562157	Sep 07 08:41
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: Take 10,000 refugees, petition urges #Mexico http://mexiconewsdaily.com/news/take-10000-refugees-petition-urges-mexico/		Sep 07 08:41
schestowitz	"Talking about that, I would like to know how many refugees is taking the US."	Sep 07 08:41
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights--> mexiconewsdaily.com \| Take 10,000 refugees, petition urges Mexico [ http://ur1.ca/nozpj ]		Sep 07 08:41
schestowitz	https://joindiaspora.com/posts/6563630	Sep 07 08:42
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: Nokia (NOK) Working On Android-Based Smartphone http://www.bidnessetc.com/51974-nokia-nok-working-on-androidbased-smartphone/Zx00972482 #android back in #nokia		Sep 07 08:42
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights--> www.bidnessetc.com \| Page Not Found [ http://ur1.ca/np716 ]		Sep 07 08:42
schestowitz	"Working link: http://www.bidnessetc.com/51974-nokia-nok-working-on-androidbased-smartphone/"	Sep 07 08:42
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.bidnessetc.com \| Nokia (NOK) Working On Android-Based Smartphone [ http://ur1.ca/np717 ]		Sep 07 08:42
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines NCR introduces Android-based ATMs	Sep 07 09:01
TweetTuxMachines	retweeted by http://t.co/Yt84zmjT5k (www.thestar.com.my)	Sep 07 09:01
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.thestar.com.my \| NCR introduces Android-based ATMs - Tech News \| The Star Online		Sep 07 09:01
TweetTuxMachines	@jesusguevarauto	Sep 07 09:01
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/np77h	Sep 07 09:01
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Android Can Dominate The Enterprise Mobility	Sep 07 09:01
TweetTuxMachines	Game http://t.co/JOdzp0vzD4 (techcrunch.com)	Sep 07 09:01
TweetTuxMachines	"mobile workforce user."	Sep 07 09:01
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techcrunch.com \| Android Can Dominate The Enterprise Mobility Game \| TechCrunch		Sep 07 09:01
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/np77i	Sep 07 09:01
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Android M Brings Up Service Center Info During	Sep 07 09:11
TweetTuxMachines	911 Calls http://t.co/2tDfXDtOzQ	Sep 07 09:11
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.androidheadlines.com \| Android M Brings Up Service Center Info During 911 Calls \| Androidheadlines.com		Sep 07 09:11
TweetTuxMachines	(www.androidheadlines.com)	Sep 07 09:11
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/np7b9	Sep 07 09:11
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Toshiba Laptops To Be Better Supported By Linux	Sep 07 09:11
TweetTuxMachines	4.3 http://t.co/zdP23dbf9v (www.phoronix.com)	Sep 07 09:11
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/np7ba	Sep 07 09:11
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.phoronix.com \| Toshiba Laptops To Be Better Supported By Linux 4.3, The Microsoft Surface Pro 3 Too - Phoronix		Sep 07 09:11
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Linux Foundation Security Checklist: Have It	Sep 07 09:11
TweetTuxMachines	Your Way http://t.co/jxZtyhq225	Sep 07 09:11
TweetTuxMachines	(www.linuxinsider.com)	Sep 07 09:11
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.linuxinsider.com \| Linux Foundation Security Checklist: Have It Your Way \| Community \| LinuxInsider		Sep 07 09:11
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/np7bb	Sep 07 09:11
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Best new icon packs for Android (September	Sep 07 09:11
TweetTuxMachines	2015) http://t.co/sdUDAruoC6	Sep 07 09:11
TweetTuxMachines	(www.tuxmachines.org)	Sep 07 09:11
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/np7bc	Sep 07 09:12
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org \| Best new icon packs for Android (September 2015) \| Tux Machines		Sep 07 09:12
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines LibreOffice Viewer for Ubuntu Touch Making	Sep 07 09:15
TweetTuxMachines	Great Progress http://t.co/wzSjoidU6e	Sep 07 09:15
TweetTuxMachines	(www.tuxmachines.org)	Sep 07 09:15
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/np7co	Sep 07 09:15
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org \| LibreOffice Viewer for Ubuntu Touch Making Great Progress \| Tux Machines		Sep 07 09:15
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines The Ubuntu Tablets Are Coming, and They Look	Sep 07 09:15
TweetTuxMachines	Beefy - Video http://t.co/UEBdHavcyH	Sep 07 09:15
TweetTuxMachines	(www.tuxmachines.org)	Sep 07 09:15
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/np7cp	Sep 07 09:15
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org \| The Ubuntu Tablets Are Coming, and They Look Beefy - Video \| Tux Machines		Sep 07 09:15
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Update notifications in Debian Jessie	Sep 07 09:15
TweetTuxMachines	http://t.co/9AFOAZ46gH (www.tuxmachines.org)	Sep 07 09:15
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/np7cq	Sep 07 09:15
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org \| Update notifications in Debian Jessie \| Tux Machines		Sep 07 09:15
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Best new icon packs for Android (September	Sep 07 09:17
TweetTuxMachines	2015) http://t.co/lLuD3V6I8I	Sep 07 09:17
TweetTuxMachines	(www.phonearena.com)	Sep 07 09:17
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.phonearena.com \| Best new icon packs for Android (September 2015)		Sep 07 09:17
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/np7dm	Sep 07 09:17
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines LibreOffice Viewer for Ubuntu Touch Making	Sep 07 09:17
TweetTuxMachines	Great Progress http://t.co/uUCeKBQ7Gf	Sep 07 09:17
TweetTuxMachines	(linux.softpedia.com)	Sep 07 09:17
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-linux.softpedia.com \| LibreOffice Viewer for Ubuntu Touch Making Great Progress - Softpedia		Sep 07 09:17
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/np7dn	Sep 07 09:17
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines The Ubuntu Tablets Are Coming, and They Look	Sep 07 09:17
TweetTuxMachines	Beefy - Video http://t.co/M4kvD7jqtP	Sep 07 09:17
TweetTuxMachines	(news.softpedia.com)	Sep 07 09:17
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-news.softpedia.com \| The Ubuntu Tablets Are Coming, and They Look Beefy - Video - Softpedia		Sep 07 09:17
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/np7do	Sep 07 09:17
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Update notifications in Debian Jessie	Sep 07 09:24
TweetTuxMachines	http://t.co/m6tB1EJlHg (blog.tenstral.net)	Sep 07 09:24
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/np7fz	Sep 07 09:24
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-blog.tenstral.net \| Update notifications in Debian Jessie \| Ximions Blog		Sep 07 09:24
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines GNOME's Nautilus 3.18 Beta 2 File Manager Gets	Sep 07 09:24
TweetTuxMachines	Multiple Improvements http://t.co/4bsYDSO1jV	Sep 07 09:24
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-linux.softpedia.com \| GNOME's Nautilus 3.18 Beta 2 File Manager Gets Multiple Improvements - Softpedia		Sep 07 09:24
TweetTuxMachines	(linux.softpedia.com)	Sep 07 09:24
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/np7g0	Sep 07 09:24
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Peppermint 6 Respin with UEFI Support Released	Sep 07 09:24
TweetTuxMachines	http://t.co/Lp7M11qjlD (peppermintos.com)	Sep 07 09:24
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/np7g1	Sep 07 09:24
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-peppermintos.com \| Peppermint 6 Respin with UEFI Support Released - Peppermint - The Linux Desktop OS		Sep 07 09:24
schestowitz	MinceR: cubelog msb__	Sep 07 09:33
schestowitz	http://blog.steve.org.uk/the_jessie_8.html	Sep 07 09:33
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-blog.steve.org.uk \| The Jessie 8.2 point-release broke for me [ http://ur1.ca/np7j7 ]		Sep 07 09:33
schestowitz	"The problem isn't running in the foreground, but systemd's process group handling." https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=783683	Sep 07 09:33
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-SSL connect error ( status 0 @ https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=783683 )		Sep 07 09:33
schestowitz	https://twitter.com/bigonbe/status/640814293852782592	Sep 07 10:11
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@bigonbe: @schestowitz Looks like the bug is fixed both in stable and in unstable		Sep 07 10:11
schestowitz	Until the next bug...	Sep 07 10:11
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Mesa 3D Graphics Library 10.6.6 Arrives with 40	Sep 07 10:20
TweetTuxMachines	Bugfixes, Mesa 11.0 RC3 Is Out Too	Sep 07 10:20
TweetTuxMachines	http://t.co/CwRbf1xTlX (news.softpedia.com)	Sep 07 10:20
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-news.softpedia.com \| Mesa 3D Graphics Library 10.6.6 Arrives with 40 Bugfixes, Mesa 11.0 RC3 Is Out Too - Softpedia		Sep 07 10:20
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/np7z5	Sep 07 10:20
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines "The Sunchip CX-S500 is a very tiny Android	Sep 07 10:20
TweetTuxMachines	powered mediaplayer" http://t.co/9nB0wGfIJZ	Sep 07 10:20
TweetTuxMachines	(www.itrunsonlinux.com)	Sep 07 10:20
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/np7z8	Sep 07 10:20
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.itrunsonlinux.com \| Sunchip CX-S500 Android mini mediaplayer \| It runs on Linux		Sep 07 10:20
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines MPV Open-Source MPlayer-Based Video Player Gets	Sep 07 10:20
TweetTuxMachines	a Major Update with New Features	Sep 07 10:20
TweetTuxMachines	http://t.co/8EzwAejIcZ (www.tuxmachines.org)	Sep 07 10:20
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/np7z9	Sep 07 10:20
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org \| MPV Open-Source MPlayer-Based Video Player Gets a Major Update with New Features \| Tux Machines		Sep 07 10:20
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Manjaro Linux: Octopi v0.8 around the corner -	Sep 07 10:20
TweetTuxMachines	translation help needed! http://t.co/O8iKUiJiTF	Sep 07 10:20
TweetTuxMachines	(www.tuxmachines.org)	Sep 07 10:20
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org \| Manjaro Linux: Octopi v0.8 around the corner - translation help needed! \| Tux Machines		Sep 07 10:20
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/np7za	Sep 07 10:20
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Top Five Reasons Why Ubuntu Is the Most Used	Sep 07 10:21
TweetTuxMachines	Linux OS http://t.co/mQGwiI0Q6A	Sep 07 10:21
TweetTuxMachines	(www.tuxmachines.org)	Sep 07 10:21
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org \| Top Five Reasons Why Ubuntu Is the Most Used Linux OS \| Tux Machines		Sep 07 10:21
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/np7zc	Sep 07 10:21
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines HTC Desire 728 Dual SIM With 5.5-Inch Display,	Sep 07 10:21
TweetTuxMachines	Android 5.1 Lollipop Launched	Sep 07 10:21
TweetTuxMachines	http://t.co/NAokdsL1rX (www.tuxmachines.org)	Sep 07 10:21
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/np7zf	Sep 07 10:21
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org \| HTC Desire 728 Dual SIM With 5.5-Inch Display, Android 5.1 Lollipop Launched \| Tux Machines		Sep 07 10:21
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schestowitz	https://twitter.com/bigonbe/status/640826321954828288	Sep 07 11:08
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@bigonbe: @schestowitz Yeah it's like any other components are bug-free...		Sep 07 11:08
schestowitz	systemd	Sep 07 11:08
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines digiKam Software Collection 4.13.0 released...	Sep 07 11:26
TweetTuxMachines	http://t.co/PlGYsibS04 (www.tuxmachines.org)	Sep 07 11:26
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/np8l7	Sep 07 11:26
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org \| digiKam Software Collection 4.13.0 released... \| Tux Machines		Sep 07 11:26
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines It's 2015 and Microsoft Still Cannot Properly	Sep 07 11:26
TweetTuxMachines	Handle Bootloaders http://t.co/2G3SKIFYxp	Sep 07 11:26
TweetTuxMachines	(techrights.org)	Sep 07 11:26
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/np8l8	Sep 07 11:26
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org \| Sabotage, Not Negligence: It’s 2015 and Microsoft Still Cannot Properly Handle Bootloaders \| Techrights		Sep 07 11:26
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Today in Techrights http://t.co/MxhiLsy2eC	Sep 07 11:26
TweetTuxMachines	(www.tuxmachines.org)	Sep 07 11:26
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org \| Today in Techrights \| Tux Machines		Sep 07 11:26
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/np8l9	Sep 07 11:26
*TweetTuxMachines @schestowitz retweeted @tuxmachines: 'Today in Techrights http://t.co/MxhiLsy2eC'		Sep 07 11:35
*TweetTuxMachines @schestowitz retweeted @tuxmachines: 'It's 2015 and Microsoft Still Cannot Properly Handle...'		Sep 07 11:35
__martin__	shit	Sep 07 12:03
__martin__	and it's here	Sep 07 12:03
__martin__	linux foundation advertises uefi/restrictedboot	Sep 07 12:04
__martin__	https://github.com/lfit/itpol/blob/master/linux-workstation-security.md	Sep 07 12:04
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-github.com \| itpol/linux-workstation-security.md at master · lfit/itpol · GitHub [ http://ur1.ca/nmfni ]		Sep 07 12:04
schestowitz	> Yes, it kills cron. AFAIK it also does not work with syslog unless you	Sep 07 12:04
schestowitz	> go out of your way to manually set it up, even then the communication	Sep 07 12:04
schestowitz	> from systemd to syslog is fragile and too easily broken to rely on it	Sep 07 12:04
schestowitz	> for diagnostics. I am at a loss for words and cannot articulate how	Sep 07 12:04
schestowitz	> wrong and stupid systemd is, even in concept.	Sep 07 12:04
schestowitz	>	Sep 07 12:04
schestowitz	> Yesterday, I did read another systemd booster on the Debian users' list	Sep 07 12:04
schestowitz	> use a fallacy of relative privation, trying to troll. Usually they go	Sep 07 12:04
schestowitz	> ad hominem right away so this was uncommon if not new.	Sep 07 12:04
schestowitz	>	Sep 07 12:04
schestowitz	> They won't stop until linux is dead. The Halloween Documents referred	Sep 07 12:04
schestowitz	> to M$, but Red Hat could effect a decommoditization of linux an achieve	Sep 07 12:04
schestowitz	> more or less the same damage.	Sep 07 12:04
schestowitz	>	Sep 07 12:04
schestowitz	> " Linux can win as long as services / protocols are	Sep 07 12:05
schestowitz	> commodities. "	Sep 07 12:05
schestowitz	>	Sep 07 12:05
schestowitz	> http://www.gnu.org/software/fsfe/projects/ms-vs-eu/halloween1.html	Sep 07 12:05
schestowitz	>	Sep 07 12:05
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.gnu.org \| The Open Source Initiative: Halloween Document 1 [ http://ur1.ca/np8z3 ]		Sep 07 12:05
schestowitz	> It doesn't help that the Stockholm syndrome kicks in with some users.	Sep 07 12:05
schestowitz	Do you think it would be suitable for techrights to start covering this subject? Like the FSF/GNU/RMS, I think it would be unnecessarily divisive for the site's audience, more so than the Novell/Mono thing...	Sep 07 12:05
schestowitz	__martin__: yes, I saw tgatr	Sep 07 12:05
schestowitz	TPM too	Sep 07 12:05
schestowitz	Now just UEFI crap	Sep 07 12:05
schestowitz	But remember IBM and Intel fund them, and both promote those things, respectively	Sep 07 12:05
__martin__	yes, always look at the money flow origin	Sep 07 12:07
schestowitz	https://twitter.com/retroDoomer/status/640841638072315904 https://twitter.com/retroDoomer/status/640841922903277568 https://twitter.com/retroDoomer/status/640843384442224640	Sep 07 12:07
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@retroDoomer: @schestowitz @juhasaarinen not surprised at all. MS has a massive presence here & just finished up a 3 day advert expo.		Sep 07 12:07
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@retroDoomer: @schestowitz @juhasaarinen we're also a politically fucked country and that paper/news outlet is very biased towards right wing politics		Sep 07 12:08
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@retroDoomer: Windows 10 is a privacy and security black hole. And @MasseyUni really should run FOSS email server not MS https://t.co/GycoxCyyBG		Sep 07 12:08
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz: A bait title for #microsoft puff piece http://t.co/7o8kQFhGUp a Microsoft and #vista10 ad in 'article' form		Sep 07 12:08
__martin__	actually what worries me more	Sep 07 12:08
__martin__	is this FCC firmware flashing proposal	Sep 07 12:08
schestowitz	A former colleague of mine works for this university. No idea they were that Microsoft-centric...	Sep 07 12:08
__martin__	have one functional librecmc device at home	Sep 07 12:08
schestowitz	__martin__: I think this proposal will get killed	Sep 07 12:08
schestowitz	__martin__: seems geared towards more easy sueveillance	Sep 07 12:08
schestowitz	as many routers have back doors in them	Sep 07 12:09
__martin__	btw roy, do you think larry lessing stands any chance against empire proposed republican/democrat candidates in run for u.s. president?	Sep 07 12:09
schestowitz	some being described as "bugs", not in the bugging sense	Sep 07 12:09
schestowitz	but based on their 'fixes', they're there intentionally	Sep 07 12:09
schestowitz	__martin__: no	Sep 07 12:09
schestowitz	but at least he gets some press out of it	Sep 07 12:09
schestowitz	or did, months ago	Sep 07 12:09
__martin__	+	Sep 07 12:09
schestowitz	1.5 months ago I think	Sep 07 12:09
schestowitz	and his cause gets some public awareness	Sep 07 12:09
schestowitz	mainly getting money out of politics	Sep 07 12:10
schestowitz	and superPACs	Sep 07 12:10
__martin__	and yeah, there are even scarce pre-defined superuser credentails on routers	Sep 07 12:11
__martin__	(regards cisco catalysts'.. no comment.. close mate of mine who got certificates and even applied to work for the in a krakow subsidiary tells me all the latest status quo stories regards "management bugs" in stable versions of IOS while working for this t-systems datacentre networking group via outsourced position)	Sep 07 12:14
__martin__	them*	Sep 07 12:14
schestowitz	__martin__: someone just sent me this:	Sep 07 12:16
schestowitz	http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/harvard-professor-larry-lessig-running-president/story?id=33568066	Sep 07 12:16
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-abcnews.go.com \| Harvard Professor Larry Lessig Says He's Running for President - ABC News [ http://ur1.ca/np937 ]		Sep 07 12:16
schestowitz	corporate media, too	Sep 07 12:16
schestowitz	https://twitter.com/Zeipt/status/640846927442116609	Sep 07 12:22
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@Zeipt: Спалился на геологах мобильника https://t.co/9W2on0xH4O		Sep 07 12:22
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz: #fbi "found that his phone did not follow the route that he had claimed he took when he went to look for the truck." http://t.co/Lvo321f9nI		Sep 07 12:22
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Linux Kernel 3.18.21 LTS Out Now with ARM,	Sep 07 12:33
TweetTuxMachines	MIPS, HPFS, and Btrfs Improvements	Sep 07 12:33
TweetTuxMachines	http://t.co/nqTCPEaxtw (news.softpedia.com)	Sep 07 12:33
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines MPV Open-Source MPlayer-Based Video Player Gets	Sep 07 12:33
TweetTuxMachines	a Major Update with New Features	Sep 07 12:33
TweetTuxMachines	http://t.co/KegGgmAuJE (news.softpedia.com)	Sep 07 12:33
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schestowitz	https://twitter.com/kstallett/status/640850143164694528	Sep 07 12:35
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Manjaro Linux: Octopi v0.8 around the corner -	Sep 07 12:36
TweetTuxMachines	translation help needed!	Sep 07 12:36
TweetTuxMachines	https://t.co/J3JkyY25UK (manjaro.github.io)	Sep 07 12:36
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-manjaro.github.io \| Octopi v0.8 around the corner - translation help needed! – Manjaro Linux – Enjoy the simplicity		Sep 07 12:36
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Top Five Reasons Why Ubuntu Is the Most Used	Sep 07 12:36
TweetTuxMachines	Linux OS http://t.co/mJTQwwoPE8	Sep 07 12:36
TweetTuxMachines	(news.softpedia.com)	Sep 07 12:36
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines HTC Desire 728 Dual SIM With 5.5-Inch Display,	Sep 07 12:37
TweetTuxMachines	Android 5.1 Lollipop Launched	Sep 07 12:37
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines digiKam Software Collection 4.13.0 released...	Sep 07 12:37
TweetTuxMachines	https://t.co/Pl9yvvIb1V (www.digikam.org)	Sep 07 12:37
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.digikam.org \| digiKam Software Collection 4.13.0 released... \| digiKam - Photo Management Program		Sep 07 12:37
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TweetTuxMachines	@RamiSilawi @tuxmachines just featured you on my	Sep 07 12:45
TweetTuxMachines	@RebelMouse http://t.co/Gb6V1dQPAF	Sep 07 12:45
TweetTuxMachines	(www.rebelmouse.com)	Sep 07 12:45
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msb__	schestowitz: "Sabotage, Not Negligence: It's 2015 and Microsoft Still Cannot Properly Handle Bootloaders" Interesting that Linux is being sabotaged by Microsoft at the same time that it's being sabotaged by RedHat/NSA with systemd.	Sep 07 13:29
msb__	schestowitz: My solution is to never go near MS-Windows, which is what I've done for 15 years. But there's no well-supported version of Linux that I can now recommend, since the major ones are all infected with systemd.	Sep 07 13:31
MinceR	http://thenextweb.com/insider/2015/09/07/this-hilarious-cisco-fail-is-a-network-engineers-worst-nightmare/	Sep 07 13:32
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-thenextweb.com \| This hilarious Cisco fail is a network engineer's worst nightmare [ http://ur1.ca/np9ui ]		Sep 07 13:32
msb__	MinceR: Wow, that's one for the history books!	Sep 07 13:35
msb__	Those fragile locking tabs are always breaking off from phone modular plugs, because if the cable is tangled in a knot and you pull on it, the tab catches on another loop of the cable, is bent backwards, and broken off. So you either have to buy a new cable, or secure the old one with duct tape.	Sep 07 13:38
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Today in Techrights http://t.co/uk9j6okWrD	Sep 07 13:38
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org \| Today in Techrights \| Tux Machines		Sep 07 13:38
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msb__	.	Sep 07 14:10
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msb__	.	Sep 07 14:51
MinceR		Sep 07 14:52
msb__	Anybody else seeing "Lag Unknown" on this channel?	Sep 07 14:52
MinceR	no	Sep 07 14:55
MinceR	103333 < schestowitz> http://blog.steve.org.uk/the_jessie_8.html	Sep 07 15:05
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MinceR	An "interesting" consequence of this bug is that unattended upgrades are	Sep 07 15:05
MinceR	triggered from cron, so when the cron package is automatically upgraded to the	Sep 07 15:05
MinceR	latest version, the upgrade gets killed and leaves the cron package in a broken	Sep 07 15:05
MinceR	state that "configure -a" doesn't fix but "dpkg -i cron.deb" does.	Sep 07 15:05
MinceR	what a beautiful train wreck!	Sep 07 15:05
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msb__	Prediction: KDE Plasma 5 will require systemd in many different ways, making it impossible to disentangle them. PS: My desktop experience is just fine with KDE3/Trinity.	Sep 07 15:46
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msb__	MinceR: What do u	Sep 07 15:52
msb__	MinceR: What do you use channel operator privileges for? Just curious?	Sep 07 15:52
MinceR	i used to use them to try and keep the channel clean, but i guess i no longer do	Sep 07 15:53
XRevan86	It depends on clean from what.	Sep 07 15:53
MinceR	doesn't matter	Sep 07 15:54
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XRevan86	Because trolls may come by, and obviously, there should be someone to kick them out.	Sep 07 15:55
MinceR	except we don't kick trolls anymore :>	Sep 07 15:56
msb__	Haven't had any since that anti-gay guy days ago. (Unless you count me. 8^)	Sep 07 15:56
XRevan86	MinceR: Who's a troll?	Sep 07 15:56
MinceR	let's not go into that	Sep 07 15:56
XRevan86	MinceR: I didn't see any for a while.	Sep 07 15:56
XRevan86	only people with opinions, legit ones.	Sep 07 15:56
msb__	Orderly trainload of refugees heading for Munich (where hopefully they will learn Linux).	Sep 07 16:01
msb__	Dairy farmers protesting all over Europe. They are cheesed-off at low diary prices, which result from the ban on sales to Russia.	Sep 07 16:04
msb__	David Cameron blames Bashar Assad for refugee problem, not US/UK/ISIL invasion and destruction of Syria.	Sep 07 16:14
MinceR	http://www.thefiscaltimes.com/2015/08/28/How-Many-Russian-Soldiers-Have-Died-Ukraine-Glimpse-Bloody-Toll	Sep 07 16:15
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.thefiscaltimes.com \| How Many Russian Soldiers Have Died in Ukraine? A Glimpse at the Bloody Toll \| The Fiscal Times [ http://ur1.ca/npbdb ]		Sep 07 16:15
msb__	Forbes and FT reports on Russian Troops in Ukraine came from hacked site: http://www.rt.com/news/313653-russia-ukraine-soldiers-fake-forbes/	Sep 07 16:54
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.rt.com \| Who slipped? How fake report on ‘Russian soldier deaths’ in Ukraine set MSM on fire — RT News [ http://ur1.ca/nl21a ]		Sep 07 16:54
msb__	Watch the video. It gives _facts_.	Sep 07 16:54
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MinceR	"facts"	Sep 07 16:58
MinceR	it's sad to see psychopaths succeeding at reprogramming people into supporting fascist dictators like putin and their regimes	Sep 07 16:58
msb__	MinceR: Yes, MinceR, _facts_. Despite your prejudice against everything Russian, the video details the investigation into the hacked news site. Sometimes the video stopped streaming, but I restarted it by moving the mouse pointer over the video screen.	Sep 07 16:59
MinceR	ooh, a quality video player applet	Sep 07 17:00
msb__	MinceR: Have you watched the video and read the article?	Sep 07 17:00
MinceR	have i wasted my time on more of putin's propaganda? no	Sep 07 17:00
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msb__	It's sad to see prejudiced people who won't access data that contradicts their prejudice.	Sep 07 17:00
MinceR	next time they should put their propaganda into a windows-only .exe file playing a 24-hour video instead of just a gratuitous video with a shitty player applet	Sep 07 17:01
msb__	MinceR: This time you should watch the video.	Sep 07 17:01
MinceR	ooh, linux foundation's uefi-loving, tpm-loving gnu/linux-destroying checklist	Sep 07 17:01
XRevan86	not just uefi-loving	Sep 07 17:01
XRevan86	secureboot-loving	Sep 07 17:01
XRevan86	What the hell is going on with Linux Foundation?	Sep 07 17:02
MinceR	it was taken over by suits similar to the ones running m$, crApple and redcrap	Sep 07 17:02
schestowitz	https://twitter.com/Zeipt/status/640851076430864384	Sep 07 17:02
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@Zeipt: .@schestowitz #PirateParty is not right a bit - #OpenDNS is #censorship.		Sep 07 17:02
MinceR	also, redcrap itself happened	Sep 07 17:02
schestowitz	https://twitter.com/retroDoomer/status/640851424323047425	Sep 07 17:02
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@retroDoomer: @schestowitz @MasseyUni very. Front page of main student login advertises free Office 365. I encourage LibreOffice where I can.		Sep 07 17:02
MinceR	msb__: if i'll be so desperate to waste my time that i'd watch putin's propaganda videos, i'll be sure to tell you.	Sep 07 17:02
MinceR	perhaps they want to monopolize people's time so they won't have to check sources not controlled by putin	Sep 07 17:03
MinceR	s/have/& time/	Sep 07 17:03
msb__	MinceR: If you ever want to have an accurate view of the world, you will have to engage in Critical Thinking. That involves examining data that contradicts what you already believe.	Sep 07 17:04
MinceR	msb__: Critical Thinking is not the same as immersing yourself in the spam that comes your way first.	Sep 07 17:04
msb__	MinceR: The video only takes a few minutes. So the idea of "monopolize people's time so they won't have to check sources" is utter nonsense.	Sep 07 17:05
MinceR	there's so much data and propaganda out there that nobody can afford to read/watch them all the way through	Sep 07 17:05
MinceR	msb__: text can be read, understood, skimmed, searched and processed far more quickly than video or audio.	Sep 07 17:05
msb__	MinceR: The important thing is to access data that disagrees with your beliefs, so your beliefs can be corrected if they are wrong. You refuse to do that.	Sep 07 17:06
MinceR	perhaps the extra time wasted on a video helps trigger cognitive dissonance, making people like putin more	Sep 07 17:06
msb__	Nonsense.	Sep 07 17:06
MinceR	"i'm a smart person and i've spent an hour on watching a video from RT, therefore RT must be a valuable source"	Sep 07 17:06
MinceR	msb__: you don't know what data i access and you will never know it	Sep 07 17:06
msb__	The video lasts only 5.5 minutes, not an hour.	Sep 07 17:07
msb__	MinceR: You have said right here that you refuse to access that video (which is much more concise than the text of the article).	Sep 07 17:08
MinceR	msb__: all the data consists of that single video?	Sep 07 17:08
msb__	All the data is concisely given in that video.	Sep 07 17:08
MinceR	the only accurate words in that sentence are 'that' and 'video'	Sep 07 17:09
MinceR	RT is your fox noise	Sep 07 17:09
msb__	MinceR: Instead of spending 5.5 minutes watching the video, you smear the source, in order not to have your prejudice questioned.	Sep 07 17:10
MinceR	keep fighting for oppression, putin's virtual warrior	Sep 07 17:11
msb__	MinceR: Keep LYING about me, MinceR. That way you won't ever learn anything.	Sep 07 17:11
MinceR	keep reading RT. that way you won't ever learn anything true.	Sep 07 17:12
MinceR	why not sign up for putin's army and volunteer to kill some crimean tatars?	Sep 07 17:12
msb__	I read many sources in addition to RT.	Sep 07 17:12
MinceR	yeah, you read many "sources" that do little more than repeat RT articles	Sep 07 17:12
msb__	MinceR: Why not go to a mental hospital and have yourself committed?	Sep 07 17:13
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MinceR	msb__: why not go kill some gay people if you hate them so much?	Sep 07 17:13
msb__	MinceR: Why not go to a mental hospital and have yourself committed?	Sep 07 17:13
MinceR	http://www.theguardian.com/world/2015/apr/06/russian-lgbt-activists-describe-victimisation-repression-and-hope	Sep 07 17:13
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.theguardian.com \| Russian LGBT activists describe victimisation, repression … and hope \| World news \| The Guardian [ http://ur1.ca/npc2a ]		Sep 07 17:13
MinceR	http://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2015/sep/05/snowden-criticises-russia-internet-homosexuality	Sep 07 17:13
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.theguardian.com \| Snowden criticises Russia for approach to internet and homosexuality \| US news \| The Guardian [ http://ur1.ca/npc2c ]		Sep 07 17:13
msb__	MinceR: STOP LYING ABOUT ME.	Sep 07 17:13
MinceR	stop lying about putin, russia and their enemies	Sep 07 17:14
msb__	Snowden is correct.	Sep 07 17:14
MinceR	and yet you support putin	Sep 07 17:14
msb__	MinceR: STOP LYING ABOUT ME. I do not lie about putin.	Sep 07 17:14
MinceR	you do, routinely	Sep 07 17:14
msb__	MinceR: STOP LYING ABOUT ME. The only way I support putin is in his actions to oppose the US from dominating the entire world.	Sep 07 17:15
MinceR	which are apparently all his actions, ever	Sep 07 17:15
MinceR	apparently you'd prefer for russia to dominate the entire world	Sep 07 17:15
msb__	MinceR: STOP LYING ABOUT ME. I have never said I would	Sep 07 17:16
MinceR	they've brainwashed you through their "news" and "research" sites	Sep 07 17:16
msb__	"prefer for russia to dominate the entire world".	Sep 07 17:16
msb__	If you claim that I have, QUOTE ME SAYING IT.	Sep 07 17:16
msb__	All seven of the alternative news sources that I've found, which have no connection with Russia or Putin, agree, e.g., that the US enforced a Nazi coup in Ukraine.	Sep 07 17:18
MinceR	you support putin's efforts to annex ukraine, the baltic countries, poland, hungary, and the rest of europe	Sep 07 17:18
MinceR	and your entire justification for it is "durr hurr the usa is evil!"	Sep 07 17:18
msb__	MinceR: You claim these news sites are controlled by Putin, but you have never given the slightest bit of proof.	Sep 07 17:18
MinceR	i have, but you ignored it	Sep 07 17:18
msb__	MinceR: STOP LYING ABOUT ME. I have never said anything like this: "you support putin's efforts to annex ukraine, the baltic countries, poland, hungary, and the rest of europe"	Sep 07 17:19
MinceR	yeah, you used different words	Sep 07 17:19
msb__	Quote me.	Sep 07 17:19
MinceR	i wonder if you'd sing the same song if you lived in the eastern bloc	Sep 07 17:20
MinceR	or you're only willing to toss out the lives and freedoms of other people	Sep 07 17:20
msb__	Quote me.	Sep 07 17:20
MinceR	it's easy to cheer for putin's conquests from an armchair in the usa	Sep 07 17:20
msb__	MinceR: STOP LYING ABOUT ME. Quote me saying I'm "willing to toss out the lives and freedoms of other people".	Sep 07 17:21
MinceR	anytime something goes wrong anywhere, you immediately say it's the usa/nazis, but whatever putin does (as the head of a christian fundamentalist nazi, fascist dictatorship) is acceptable to you	Sep 07 17:22
MinceR	whenever someone ends up on the opposite side of a conflict from putin, you attack them	Sep 07 17:22
MinceR	you keep advertising other dictatorships aligned with the ussr without having any clue about what actually goes on there	Sep 07 17:23
msb__	MinceR: STOP LYING ABOUT ME. Those are nonsensical generalizations about me that you have fabricated out of your irrational prejudice.	Sep 07 17:23
MinceR	if any state is ran in at least a little bit democratic way and their market is not completely centrally controlled, you call them nazis	Sep 07 17:24
msb__	MinceR: STOP LYING ABOUT ME. If you disagree with something I've said, quote it, and then argue about it.	Sep 07 17:24
MinceR	i'm summing up your ramblings	Sep 07 17:24
MinceR	if you forgot what you said, look it up in the logs.	Sep 07 17:24
msb__	Your are LYING about my statements.	Sep 07 17:24
MinceR	oh yes, if someone exposes you as a supporter of dictatorships and a hypocrite, all you can say is "HURR DURR YOU'RE LYING ABOUT ME"	Sep 07 17:25
msb__	Nonsense. If you make claims about what I said, it is your responsibility to quote what I said.	Sep 07 17:25
MinceR	no, it is not my responsibility to flood this channel with the bullshit you spewed here over the years	Sep 07 17:25
msb__	I haven't said hurr durr anything.	Sep 07 17:26
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msb__	You are flooding this channel with false generalizations about what I said. Because you know you can't prove your claims from quotes.	Sep 07 17:26
MinceR	apparently msb__ only reads book/movie reviews that quote the entire text of the book/movie	Sep 07 17:27
MinceR	what's in this for you?	Sep 07 17:27
MinceR	do you think putin will reward you for shilling for him?	Sep 07 17:28
msb__	Another nonsense statement.	Sep 07 17:28
MinceR	he won't. he doesn't care about you.	Sep 07 17:28
MinceR	he doesn't care for any of the misled people who fight for his cause online.	Sep 07 17:28
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msb__	I am not fighting for any cause except the truth. You linked an article based on false information. I linked a video correcting that information, but you refuse to access it.	Sep 07 17:30
msb__	You fabricate lies about what I've said, and refuse to back up your claims with quotes from me. You can't, because your claims are lies.	Sep 07 17:32
MinceR	you call whatever putin's mouthpieces say "the truth" regardless of whether it's true or not	Sep 07 17:32
MinceR	my claims are summaries of what you said over a long time, and i'm not going to flood the channel to appease you	Sep 07 17:33
MinceR	and by the way "a global dictatorship" is not "the truth", it's a dystopian future.	Sep 07 17:33
XRevan86	msb__: Well, it's not like this rt.com article was very convincing.	Sep 07 17:33
XRevan86	Though a little research of their presented information could lead to the truth	Sep 07 17:33
msb__	MinceR: If your claims are summaries, you should be able to give one or two recent quotes supporting your claims. But you can't, because your claims are lies.	Sep 07 17:33
XRevan86	(I didn't bother myself)	Sep 07 17:34
MinceR	msb__: your responses would be the same anyway, so i don't waste my time	Sep 07 17:34
msb__	XRevan86: The video at the top of the article is better than the text.	Sep 07 17:34
XRevan86	msb__: I watched it, yes.	Sep 07 17:34
XRevan86	msb__: Can you give the link again?	Sep 07 17:35
msb__	Well, it has the representative of the Delovaya Zhizn site saying that the article was hacked from a Kiev IP.	Sep 07 17:35
XRevan86	ah, no need	Sep 07 17:35
msb__	http://www.rt.com/news/313653-russia-ukraine-soldiers-fake-forbes/	Sep 07 17:36
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.rt.com \| Who slipped? How fake report on ‘Russian soldier deaths’ in Ukraine set MSM on fire — RT News [ http://ur1.ca/nl21a ]		Sep 07 17:36
XRevan86	msb__: Do they? Someone personally should ask them.	Sep 07 17:36
msb__	If the video won't stream, I have a recording of it that I made from RT.	Sep 07 17:36
XRevan86	msb__: It streams. I need to rewatch	Sep 07 17:37
msb__	The video details the attempts RT made to personally contact them. They refuse personal contact.	Sep 07 17:37
XRevan86	some fact slipped	Sep 07 17:37
XRevan86	msb__: If they refuse a personal contact	Sep 07 17:37
XRevan86	how do we know it's a hack?	Sep 07 17:37
MinceR	we don't	Sep 07 17:37
MinceR	all we have is some "news" sites friendly to the russian government claiming it was a "hack"	Sep 07 17:38
msb__	Then why do Forbes and FT claim the info is accurate?	Sep 07 17:38
XRevan86	MinceR: RT claims Forbes refers to BL while BL claims they were hacked.	Sep 07 17:38
XRevan86	I mean, RT claims all that	Sep 07 17:39
MinceR	because if a supporter of putin discloses something harmful to putin, it's more likely to be accurate than if it's beneficial to him	Sep 07 17:39
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XRevan86	> Editorial board of "Business Life"	Sep 07 17:39
XRevan86	msb__: Sorry, that's not enough.	Sep 07 17:39
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msb__	Here's the Forbes article: http://www.forbes.com/sites/paulroderickgregory/2015/08/25/kremlin-censors-rush-to-erase-inadvertent-release-of-russian-casualties-in-east-ukraine/	Sep 07 17:43
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.forbes.com \| Russia May Have Inadvertently Posted Its Casualties In Ukraine: 2,000 Deaths, 3,200 Disabled [ http://ur1.ca/npcfm ]		Sep 07 17:43
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XRevan86	> An independent analysis by Ruslan Leviev suggests that the Business Life document may be fake. I discuss Leviev’s analysis in a follow-up post, and have revised this post accordingly	Sep 07 17:44
XRevan86	And that is enough.	Sep 07 17:44
MinceR	that site is great	Sep 07 17:45
MinceR	empty page, with a circular animation going around and around	Sep 07 17:45
MinceR	i enable javascript, i get a fullscreen ad with a countdown	Sep 07 17:45
MinceR	i click contiune to site, i get the animation again	Sep 07 17:45
MinceR	the web is dead.	Sep 07 17:45
XRevan86	MinceR: Reenter the link	Sep 07 17:45
MinceR	congrats to the w3c, you did it, guys! you fucked it all up!	Sep 07 17:46
XRevan86	When I figured that, I finally realised Forbes just sucks	Sep 07 17:46
XRevan86	I thought they're blocking me	Sep 07 17:46
MinceR	they really should go whole hog and put activex into the html5 "standard" too	Sep 07 17:47
MinceR	but yeah, that's a far better argument than RT claiming BL claiming they were "hacked"	Sep 07 17:47
msb__	The Forbes article comes in ok for me with firefox.	Sep 07 17:47
MinceR	(not that "hack" means what they think it means anyway)	Sep 07 17:47
XRevan86	MinceR: Turnes out, RT is right.	Sep 07 17:47
MinceR	it managed to load (very slowly) in my trash profile	Sep 07 17:47
XRevan86	+1 to RT	Sep 07 17:48
msb__	MinceR: What is a "trash profile" ?	Sep 07 17:50
schestowitz	RT is crap	Sep 07 17:50
XRevan86	A secondary Firefox profile, I guess	Sep 07 17:50
XRevan86	-1 to RT	Sep 07 17:50
schestowitz	I only link to it when I lack enough sources to translate something	Sep 07 17:50
MinceR	msb__: a firefox/iceweasel profile named "trash" (named after adobe flash), which is the only profile i enabled the flash plugin in	Sep 07 17:50
schestowitz	RT is good at one thing	Sep 07 17:50
MinceR	it also doesn't have noscript installed	Sep 07 17:50
schestowitz	countering Washington jingoism	Sep 07 17:51
schestowitz	Police brutality, attacks on whistleblowers, etc.	Sep 07 17:51
MinceR	so i use that if i want to view the contents of a website that's doing way too much to prevent me from accessing it	Sep 07 17:51
schestowitz	Much of RT is Putin propaganda	Sep 07 17:51
schestowitz	underplaying/lowballing financial disparity and high-level corruption in Russia	Sep 07 17:51
schestowitz	and pro-Russia Military puff pieces	Sep 07 17:51
MinceR	(the usual shit: js from dozens of domains, preferably not connected to the site itself, flash applets, etc.)	Sep 07 17:51
schestowitz	inc. damage control, e.g. when a sub goes up in flames with smoke	Sep 07 17:52
MinceR	for less broken sites, enabling js from one or two domains or disabling css is sufficient	Sep 07 17:52
schestowitz	Kremlin and Russia are obviously influences a lot by military	Sep 07 17:52
schestowitz	like in USSR, like in UK, US, Israel etc.	Sep 07 17:52
schestowitz	Military censors and all in the media, don't trust it for reporting on its own affairs, only foreign, with a grain of salt	Sep 07 17:53
MinceR	i wonder what good is countering washington jingoism from a site that's not credible due to its shameless posting of putin's propaganda	Sep 07 17:53
msb__	schestowitz: Please cite some actual RT stories proving that "Much of RT is Putin propaganda"	Sep 07 17:53
MinceR	in the end, we get obviously biased sites shouting at each other	Sep 07 17:53
XRevan86	schestowitz: You believe, newsru.com is affected too?	Sep 07 17:53
schestowitz	[17:53] <MinceR> i wonder what good is countering washington jingoism from a site that's not credible due to its shameless posting of putin's propaganda	Sep 07 17:53
schestowitz	They still can't make stuff up when covering US abuses	Sep 07 17:54
schestowitz	it's too far away	Sep 07 17:54
MinceR	sure they can	Sep 07 17:54
XRevan86	schestowitz: Don't see a problem.	Sep 07 17:54
schestowitz	but when people like snowden of machon... or drake and binney have nobody in MSM to turn to, they got to RT or AJ	Sep 07 17:54
schestowitz	*go	Sep 07 17:54
MinceR	in current "journalism", they aren't even expected to cite their sources	Sep 07 17:54
MinceR	if only they turned to multiple sites independent of each other	Sep 07 17:55
schestowitz	so RT can be a platform for voicing opinions of US personnel whom the MSM in US (or UK, e.g. Machan, Pirate Party) suppresses	Sep 07 17:55
schestowitz	msb__: go to front page	Sep 07 17:55
schestowitz	msb__: browese around	Sep 07 17:55
schestowitz	a lot of RT is nationalistic	Sep 07 17:55
schestowitz	(like MSM in other countries, only RT is more tightly controlled by gov.)	Sep 07 17:56
schestowitz	!google putin visits Russia Today RT photos	Sep 07 17:56
TechrightsBot-tr	[1] - Putin's Beijing visit to boost Russia-China trade — RT Business \| https://www.rt.com/business/314081-russia-china-deals-coopeartion/	Sep 07 17:56
TechrightsBot-tr	[2] - Japan: Putin's visit to Tokyo may settle Kuril Islands dispute - RT.com \| https://www.rt.com/news/260277-putin-japan-kuril-islands/	Sep 07 17:56
TechrightsBot-tr	[3] - Putin talks NSA, Syria, Iran, drones in RT interview (FULL VIDEO ... \| http://www.rt.com/news/putin-rt-interview-full-577/	Sep 07 17:56
TechrightsBot-tr	[4] - 'His handshakes break hands': Press secretary dismisses Putin ... \| http://www.rt.com/politics/240025-russia-peskov-putin-health/	Sep 07 17:56
schestowitz	(disregard the above, not relevant)	Sep 07 17:56
schestowitz	[17:54] <MinceR> in current "journalism", they aren't even expected to cite their sources	Sep 07 17:56
schestowitz	Depends on how you define journalism	Sep 07 17:56
schestowitz	Sites like The Register or ITWire hardly have links	Sep 07 17:57
schestowitz	TR has many links	Sep 07 17:57
schestowitz	RT has some, but not many	Sep 07 17:57
schestowitz	Consrtium News has almost none	Sep 07 17:57
MinceR	TR does, but most sites i've seen don't have many, usually they have none	Sep 07 17:57
schestowitz	like it's printed in paper	Sep 07 17:57
schestowitz	they think we still have this limitation	Sep 07 17:57
MinceR	indeed	Sep 07 17:57
schestowitz	academic papers used to have citations [1]	Sep 07 17:58
MinceR	if journalism didn't die before the spread of the internet, we'd have them, most likely	Sep 07 17:58
schestowitz	some still use this limiting style on the Web!!!	Sep 07 17:58
schestowitz	Even if they don't just latex2html	Sep 07 17:58
schestowitz	A lot of the news I find I just looks links inside of... to find the source.... in MSM that's nearly impossible	Sep 07 17:58
schestowitz	they might name the source but even then not give the link	Sep 07 17:58
schestowitz	like "According to the Washington Post'	Sep 07 17:59
schestowitz	"An online blog..."	Sep 07 17:59
schestowitz	Still no link, that's rubbish and worthless	Sep 07 17:59
schestowitz	I can understand why sites that correspond to PRINTED newspapers don't have links	Sep 07 17:59
schestowitz	the reporters focus on print media	Sep 07 17:59
msb__	schestowitz: RT: "Liberals blast Russian election law as ‘medieval,’ suggest radical changes" Is that what you mean as Putin propaganda? If not, please point some out.	Sep 07 18:00
schestowitz	and print media has no notion like hyperlink	Sep 07 18:00
schestowitz	but if they have analogous online version, they might as well make it a two-form publication, one for paper and one for online, with working links	Sep 07 18:00
schestowitz	for sites with paywalls that are cited, or newspapers with no Internet sites (are there any?) this may be an issue	Sep 07 18:00
schestowitz	msb__: let me see..	Sep 07 18:01
schestowitz	front page	Sep 07 18:02
schestowitz	top two stories bash Europe	Sep 07 18:02
schestowitz	4th story also anti-US pro-Russia story	Sep 07 18:02
schestowitz	3rd is Iraq story	Sep 07 18:02
schestowitz	against ISIS, which Russia doesn't like (a threat to Russia at the south)	Sep 07 18:03
schestowitz	5th story abotu Thailand	Sep 07 18:03
schestowitz	and feature article in front page:	Sep 07 18:03
schestowitz	"95,000 Russian troops to take part in Central Military District surprise check"	Sep 07 18:03
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schestowitz	Military propaganda	Sep 07 18:04
MinceR	even printed newspapers could have URLs (shortened ones, even) in their articles	Sep 07 18:04
MinceR	if they cared	Sep 07 18:04
schestowitz	so in summary, 66% of top stories anti EU	Sep 07 18:04
schestowitz	the rest is Thaitrland and anti-US, pro-Russia military	Sep 07 18:05
schestowitz	and highlight is pro-Russia Military	Sep 07 18:05
schestowitz	and that's just based on a random check from 2 minutes ago	Sep 07 18:05
msb__	schestowitz: Which of those articles you cite are Putin propaganda, or are untrue?	Sep 07 18:05
schestowitz	so one who reads the site wouls think Russian soldiers are awesome, Russia "aids" Syria (with weapons), US stands in the way of aid, and Europe is a bloody mess that no Russian would ever want to immigrate to	Sep 07 18:06
schestowitz	of course it's easy to just stumble upon some particular RT articles you like	Sep 07 18:06
schestowitz	but that's not what RT _as a whole_ is about	Sep 07 18:06
schestowitz	msb__: bias by selection	Sep 07 18:07
msb__	schestowitz: Only if the reader was a lunatic who made ridiculous generalizations from a few limited news stories.	Sep 07 18:07
schestowitz	propaganda by amplifying what makes Russia look good	Sep 07 18:07
schestowitz	or what makes its adversaries look bad	Sep 07 18:07
schestowitz	show me RT exposing leaks/top stories on Russian oligarchs protected by Kremlin	Sep 07 18:07
schestowitz	Or something about Ukraine that's not Russian spin	Sep 07 18:08
msb__	schestowitz: So now you're saying that your claim that RT is Putin propaganda is based on what they _don't_ publish?	Sep 07 18:08
schestowitz	no, reread what I wrote	Sep 07 18:10
schestowitz	the editorial control is all nationalistic, as is the case in many other countries	Sep 07 18:10
schestowitz	so you need to read Russia-hostile sources to see what RT et al. are trying to hide or distract from	Sep 07 18:11
msb__	That would be any and all corporate US and UK newspapers.	Sep 07 18:11
MinceR	http://blogs.msdn.com/b/oldnewthing/archive/2015/09/07/10640031.aspx	Sep 07 18:12
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-blogs.msdn.com \| I guess this explains why Warren Buffett hasn't retired - The Old New Thing - Site Home - MSDN Blogs [ http://ur1.ca/npcsv ]		Sep 07 18:12
msb__	schestowitz: Here is the one and only article linked from the RT front page about Putin. Is there anything inaccurate in it? http://www.rt.com/politics/314397-situation-in-ukraine-depends-on/	Sep 07 18:14
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.rt.com \| ‘Ukraine situation depends on its people’s patience, not on Russia’ – Putin — RT Russian politics [ http://ur1.ca/npcty ]		Sep 07 18:15
MinceR	even the title is a blatant lie	Sep 07 18:15
schestowitz	https://twitter.com/backavar/status/640933890853441536?cn=cmVwbHk%3D&refsrc=email	Sep 07 18:15
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@backavar: @schestowitz maybe, but no one in the US has even bothered to listen to what I have to say. Instead they talk about me. I hate it.		Sep 07 18:15
schestowitz	Mr. drone strikes	Sep 07 18:15
schestowitz	1600 kills I think	Sep 07 18:15
schestowitz	like almost half of the whole	Sep 07 18:15
schestowitz	it's nice that he's in twitter, trying to appease people like me..	Sep 07 18:16
MinceR	russia is still pretending that they have no forces in crimea (and likely other parts of ukraine)?	Sep 07 18:16
MinceR	i guess this is classic Big Lie	Sep 07 18:16
schestowitz	I think in Crimea it's a lie to say no forces	Sep 07 18:20
schestowitz	alas, to say that the Buk was shot by Russians is not correct based on what I can gather	Sep 07 18:20
schestowitz	the Buk was made in Russian and came from there	Sep 07 18:20
schestowitz	but no evidence that the operators were Russians masked as "separatists"	Sep 07 18:21
schestowitz	Even Finland has Buks	Sep 07 18:21
schestowitz	Vladimir bukin	Sep 07 18:21
MinceR	i think it's unlikely that russians would hand over their Buks to the ukrainians they're aiming to subjugate	Sep 07 18:21
schestowitz	what about pro-Russian rebels?	Sep 07 18:21
MinceR	it's far more likely that they'd hand them over to the separatists who are allegedly not russian soldiers	Sep 07 18:21
schestowitz	yes, that's what I meant	Sep 07 18:22
MinceR	or allegedly on a vacation, depending on what fits into the official story better	Sep 07 18:22
schestowitz	https://www.joindiaspora.com/posts/6566290	Sep 07 18:22
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@c_blondel@framasphere.org: À Bruxelles, des agriculteurs jettent du foin sur la police et y mettent... https://youtu.be/N6e4-RJ1vyc via @Youyoute		Sep 07 18:22
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights--> www.youtube.com \| À Bruxelles, des agriculteurs jettent du foin sur la police et y mettent le feu - YouTube		Sep 07 18:22
msb__	MinceR: The US invaded Ukraine using Nazi proxies -- Right Sector and Svoboda -- and 5 BILLION dollars. Russia has the right to protect its people there who don't want to live under a regime that backs the WW2 Nazis that killed 20 million Russians.	Sep 07 18:23
MinceR	yawn	Sep 07 18:23
MinceR	https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BqmboHoCcAAgE8z.jpg	Sep 07 18:23
MinceR	don't you have any less tired fascist cliches ready?	Sep 07 18:23
msb__	MinceR: a nonsensical response.	Sep 07 18:23
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msb__	US corporate/govt media. Russia has done no mass murder or ethnic cleansing in Ukraine at all.	Sep 07 18:24
schestowitz	Germany under Nazis didn't try to protect "ethnic germans"	Sep 07 18:25
MinceR	funny how killing in ww2 matters but stuff that happened later you dismiss as being old stuff	Sep 07 18:25
schestowitz	that's not what the motivator was	Sep 07 18:25
MinceR	msb__: you really don't let facts hinder your argumentation, do you?	Sep 07 18:25
schestowitz	Not sure how to frame the Milosevic [spelling] thing	Sep 07 18:25
msb__	MinceR: You keep LYING about me, don't you?	Sep 07 18:25
MinceR	schestowitz: neither is russia	Sep 07 18:25
MinceR	they just want to extend their empire	Sep 07 18:25
MinceR	msb__: can't you come up with anything else?	Sep 07 18:26
schestowitz	something with the word "Destroy" in it	Sep 07 18:26
MinceR	msb__: one would think you're more mature than a kid in kindergarten...	Sep 07 18:26
msb__	If you come up with any facts, I will discuss them.	Sep 07 18:26
MinceR	msb__: i have, and you dismissed them or ignored them	Sep 07 18:26
schestowitz	I have alerts set for "roy", so msb_ keeps showing up in my alerts in KDE...	Sep 07 18:26
MinceR	schestowitz: lol	Sep 07 18:27
schestowitz	the other thing is twitter items with the word "royal" in them	Sep 07 18:27
schestowitz	in -social channel	Sep 07 18:27
schestowitz	but several times a day msb__ would say destroy, and probably Nazis too	Sep 07 18:27
schestowitz	maybe thermite...	Sep 07 18:28
msb__	MinceR: You fabricate lies about what I've said, and then refuse to cite any quotes from me to prove them. Because you can't.	Sep 07 18:28
MinceR	msb__: you apparently forget everything you say instantly	Sep 07 18:28
MinceR	msb__: or you don't know what the things you say mean	Sep 07 18:28
MinceR	msb__: or you're just a lying putler shill	Sep 07 18:28
MinceR	msb__: or a combination of the above	Sep 07 18:29
MinceR	msb__: why not put your money where your mouth is and move to russia?	Sep 07 18:29
msb__	MinceR: I remember well what I've said. It just doesn't support your lies about me, which is why I ask you to give quotes to support your claims.	Sep 07 18:29
MinceR	i'm sure you'd enjoy being enrolled into the russian orthodox church	Sep 07 18:30
msb__	Is that a requirement for all Russian citizens?	Sep 07 18:30
MinceR	you could even join the army and risk your own ass as a soldier "on vacation" instead of shooting your mouth off about how putin's enemies must die	Sep 07 18:31
MinceR	it may yet become a requirement	Sep 07 18:31
msb__	MinceR: Stop LYING about me. Or give a quote where I've said "putin's enemies must die"	Sep 07 18:33
MinceR	you support russians waging war on others	Sep 07 18:34
MinceR	what do you think happens in a war?	Sep 07 18:34
msb__	The US, its 5 billion dollars, and its Ukrainian Nazi proxies started the war in Ukraine. Russia has the right to protect its people there who are being atttacked and want its protection.	Sep 07 18:36
schestowitz	Russia has not historically protected Ukraine	Sep 07 18:37
msb__	It is the US and those Nazis that are "waging" war there.	Sep 07 18:37
schestowitz	!google stalin punish ukraine famine	Sep 07 18:37
TechrightsBot-tr	[1] - Ukraine Famine \| United Human Rights Council \| http://www.unitedhumanrights.org/genocide/ukraine_famine.htm	Sep 07 18:37
TechrightsBot-tr	[2] - InfoUkes: Ukrainian History -- The Artificial Famine/Genocide ... \| http://www.infoukes.com/history/famine/	Sep 07 18:37
TechrightsBot-tr	[3] - The Great Ukrainian Famine of 1932-33 - Online Encyclopedia of ... \| http://www.massviolence.org/the-1932-1933-great-famine-in-ukraine	Sep 07 18:37
TechrightsBot-tr	[4] - The Ukrainian Famine of 1932-1933 as Genocide \| http://www.faminegenocide.com/2008-competition/02-famine_as_genocide.htm	Sep 07 18:37
schestowitz	This alone is worse than all recent US invasions	Sep 07 18:37
msb__	It was also 80 years ago, and has nothing to do with the present situation.	Sep 07 18:38
MinceR	msb__: bullshit.	Sep 07 18:38
schestowitz	" Every year Ukrainians pay tribute to the 10 million innocent people who suffered and died from the artificial famine in Soviet Ukraine. The famine from 1932-1933 was not the result of a drought, flood, or crop failure; rather, it was caused by Joseph Stalin’s intention to eliminate the Ukrainian nation, and was entirely man-made. "	Sep 07 18:38
schestowitz	combined Vietnam, Iraq, korea etc. and you're stil short of 10 million dead, by most counts	Sep 07 18:39
schestowitz	some would say 11ml	Sep 07 18:39
msb__	That was 80 years ago. Ukrainian Nazis are killing people today (although maybe they've slowed down recently).	Sep 07 18:39
MinceR	russian nazis are killing people today	Sep 07 18:39
MinceR	and you're cheering them on	Sep 07 18:39
msb__	MinceR: No. First, Russians are not Nazis, except in your mind where you have falsified concepts. Second, people in east Ukraine have requested protection and annexation from Russia, and IIRC, a million people have fled to Russia from there.	Sep 07 18:41
MinceR	msb__: so, if the russian nationalist fundamentalist imperialist fascists who own the entire country, oppress gays and are in cahoots with the russian orthodox church aren't nazis, what are they?	Sep 07 18:43
msb__	They are not what you exaggerate them to be.	Sep 07 18:43
MinceR	they are all that, and more	Sep 07 18:43
msb__	So you lie.	Sep 07 18:44
MinceR	but of course your favorite RT won't tell that to you, and neither will the garbage sites who copy RT articles	Sep 07 18:44
MinceR	so to you, it doesn't exist	Sep 07 18:44
MinceR	msb__: also, if a KGB agent serving the ussr turned dictator with less denial about being a nationalist is not a nazi, then what is he?	Sep 07 18:44
msb__	MinceR: You constantly LIE about all alternative news sites and claim they are getting news from Russia, which they are not.	Sep 07 18:46
MinceR	they don't say they're getting news from RT?	Sep 07 18:46
msb__	Correct	Sep 07 18:46
MinceR	that's good, because that's not news, it's fascist government propaganda	Sep 07 18:46
msb__	You don't know what fascism is.	Sep 07 18:47
MinceR	no, you don't know what it is	Sep 07 18:47
MinceR	you never experienced it from your armchair in the usa.	Sep 07 18:47
MinceR	by the way, how does it feel to be in denial about opposing all human rights?	Sep 07 18:47
msb__	You think fascism and authoritarianism are the same, but you are wrong.	Sep 07 18:48
msb__	Fascism is a type of authoritarianism, but not all auth. is fascism.	Sep 07 18:48
MinceR	"Fascism (/fæʃɪzəm/) is a form of radical authoritarian nationalism[1][2] that came to prominence in early 20th-century Europe."	Sep 07 18:48
MinceR	radical, check. authoritarian, check. nationalist, check.	Sep 07 18:49
msb__	MinceR: BTW, how does it feel to be LYING with every alternate statement that you make?	Sep 07 18:49
MinceR	protip: pretending that you're a "council" and not a russian does not make you not nationalist.	Sep 07 18:49
MinceR	replacing words do not make the underlying concept any better.	Sep 07 18:49
MinceR	"council" is not better than "russian" in the same way "bing" is not better than "msn search"	Sep 07 18:49
msb__	As I said, Fascism is a type of authoritarianism.	Sep 07 18:49
MinceR	and you love authoritarianism	Sep 07 18:50
msb__	But not all authoritarianism is fascism.	Sep 07 18:50
MinceR	but you hate to have it called fascism	Sep 07 18:50
MinceR	even though the one you're shilling for is fascism.	Sep 07 18:50
msb__	MinceR: Do you understand subsets? Logical implication?	Sep 07 18:50
msb__	MinceR: STOP LYING ABOUT ME! STOP LYING ABOUT ME! STOP LYING ABOUT ME!	Sep 07 18:51
msb__	I am not shilling for anybody.	Sep 07 18:51
msb__	MinceR: Do you understand subsets? Logical implication?	Sep 07 18:51
MinceR	msb__: oh, and by the way, trying to blur the lines between (russian-style) state communism and anarcho-communism is not helping your case.	Sep 07 18:51
MinceR	msb__: unlike you, i know what i'm talking about.	Sep 07 18:52
msb__	MinceR: STOP LYING ABOUT ME! I have stated very clearly that I do not favor state-controlled socialism. I favor worker-controlled socialism.	Sep 07 18:53
msb__	I have told you that many times, but you keep lying about what I've said.	Sep 07 18:53
schestowitz	some sites follow RT	Sep 07 18:53
schestowitz	some repost it	Sep 07 18:53
MinceR	and then you run your mouth about how state-controlled "socialist" states are great	Sep 07 18:54
schestowitz	some take their memos/instructions from same auhtorities	Sep 07 18:54
schestowitz	Sputnik a recent addition to these	Sep 07 18:54
schestowitz	Some of them went off the radar	Sep 07 18:54
schestowitz	maybe abandoned when people realise what they were up to	Sep 07 18:54
msb__	I don't use sputnik.	Sep 07 18:54
schestowitz	pravda.ru is still active	Sep 07 18:54
msb__	Or pravda	Sep 07 18:54
schestowitz	some I'd never cite because they're vile sites calling themselves "news"	Sep 07 18:54
MinceR	wow, there are two putin mouthpieces msb__ does not admit to using	Sep 07 18:54
schestowitz	all operated out of moscow	Sep 07 18:55
schestowitz	they'd spew out the official line when instructed	Sep 07 18:55
msb__	MinceR: I don't admit it because I never use them. STOP LYING ABOUT ME!	Sep 07 18:55
schestowitz	like "jets shoot cockpit of Malaysia Airlines flight"	Sep 07 18:55
MinceR	msb__: if you had any credibility at all, that would even mean something.	Sep 07 18:55
msb__	schestowitz: There is photographic evidence of that -- pictures of the metal shot from both sides.	Sep 07 18:56
schestowitz	Sputnik is good at covering US whistleblowers and giving them a voice/platform	Sep 07 18:56
schestowitz	msb__: don't start...	Sep 07 18:56
schestowitz	leave that to Pravda and the Moscow Mafia...	Sep 07 18:56
MinceR	maybe he's a member of the moscow mafia	Sep 07 18:56
schestowitz	they're obviouslt effective as some people will believe anything	Sep 07 18:57
msb__	schestowitz: Are you telling me not to show the pictorial evidence?	Sep 07 18:58
MinceR	depends on whether you want us to be amazed by the photoshop skills of russian government employees	Sep 07 18:58
schestowitz	LOL I heard some peopel claiming the photos were of dolls	Sep 07 18:58
schestowitz	and that the plane parts didn't have real bodies amid them...	Sep 07 18:59
schestowitz	yes, they said it looked like inflatable dolls	Sep 07 18:59
msb__	Google ukrainian refugees russia 700,000 refugees from Ukraine have entered Russia after the US/Nazi coup.	Sep 07 19:02
MinceR	http://i.imgur.com/hvkytgB.jpg	Sep 07 19:06
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Today in Techrights http://t.co/uk9j6okWrD	Sep 07 19:47
TweetTuxMachines	retweeted by (www.tuxmachines.org)	Sep 07 19:47
TweetTuxMachines	@schestowitz	Sep 07 19:47
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org \| Today in Techrights \| Tux Machines		Sep 07 19:47
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/npbwo	Sep 07 19:47
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines BQ Aquaris E4.5 and E5 HD Ubuntu Editions Now	Sep 07 19:47
TweetTuxMachines	Available in India http://t.co/tLJ01uGjN8	Sep 07 19:47
TweetTuxMachines	(www.tuxmachines.org)	Sep 07 19:47
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org \| BQ Aquaris E4.5 and E5 HD Ubuntu Editions Now Available in India \| Tux Machines		Sep 07 19:47
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/npdy4	Sep 07 19:47
schestowitz	>>> If LP had wished to be non-disruptive, he would have demonstrated	Sep 07 19:47
schestowitz	>>> >> systemd in a separate testbed distro, something which has been pointed	Sep 07 19:47
schestowitz	>>> >> out to him for years. An example would be much like what NextBSD is	Sep 07 19:47
schestowitz	>>> >> doing with other technology:	Sep 07 19:47
schestowitz	>>> >>	Sep 07 19:48
schestowitz	>>> >> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/NextBSD	Sep 07 19:48
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-en.wikipedia.org \| NextBSD - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia		Sep 07 19:48
schestowitz	>>> >>	Sep 07 19:48
schestowitz	>>> >> But because he has chosen to force distros into systemd and the nasty	Sep 07 19:48
schestowitz	>>> >> tactics he and his (self-described) cabal employ, I can only say that it	Sep 07 19:48
schestowitz	>>> >> looks like disruption of both community and technology is one of the	Sep 07 19:48
schestowitz	>>> >> intended consequences.	Sep 07 19:48
schestowitz	>> > Working for Red Hat and the company's partners helps.	Sep 07 19:48
schestowitz	>> >	Sep 07 19:48
schestowitz	>> >	Sep 07 19:48
schestowitz	> Yeah, Red Hat in some ways has a lot to gain from weakening Debian and	Sep 07 19:48
schestowitz	> its community. However, overall I think it loses out by hurting them.	Sep 07 19:48
schestowitz	> They would do better to work together instead, they have M$ and, to a	Sep 07 19:48
schestowitz	> certain extent, Oracle to fight.	Sep 07 19:48
MinceR	i thought fedora _was_ a separate testbed distro	Sep 07 19:48
schestowitz	http://lxer.com/module/forums/t/35967/	Sep 07 19:53
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-lxer.com \| LXer: Microsoft vs. Open Source: Is Office 365 really cheaper than going open source?		Sep 07 19:53
schestowitz	"	Sep 07 19:53
schestowitz	> TCO studies about Microsoft vs. Open Source products always seem to assume that Windows knowledge is god-given.	Sep 07 19:53
schestowitz	You mean you don't find the MS ribbon interface to be a natural extension of the mind? ;-)	Sep 07 19:53
schestowitz	"	Sep 07 19:53
schestowitz	"	Sep 07 19:54
schestowitz	The typical Microsoft TCO argument only substantiates two things:	Sep 07 19:54
schestowitz	1. It is possible to manipulate statistics to "prove" any point, however weak.	Sep 07 19:54
schestowitz	2. Anyone buying into such weak arguments deserves to be labeled weak-minded and incapable of critical independent thinking.	Sep 07 19:54
schestowitz	"	Sep 07 19:54
MinceR	they also deserve to use the ribbon	Sep 07 19:59
schestowitz	I saw it a few time	Sep 07 20:02
schestowitz	weird UI	Sep 07 20:02
schestowitz	takes ages to get to the buttons you need	Sep 07 20:03
schestowitz	it just looks more 'advanced' with tabs	Sep 07 20:03
schestowitz	but practically, if you use just a few buttons many times, why not make it possible to customise your menu	Sep 07 20:03
schestowitz	like in mozilla firefox, thunderbird, kate, etc.	Sep 07 20:03
schestowitz	even lyx	Sep 07 20:03
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MinceR	it combines the disadvantages of the menu bar with the disadvantages of the toolbar	Sep 07 20:09
MinceR	and the advantages of neither	Sep 07 20:09
MinceR	and it breaks the title bar	Sep 07 20:09
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Real Linux Coming to Tablets	Sep 07 20:10
TweetTuxMachines	http://t.co/pDGGWbqqoa (www.tuxmachines.org)	Sep 07 20:10
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/npe85	Sep 07 20:10
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines QEMU Maintainers on the 2.4 Release	Sep 07 20:11
TweetTuxMachines	http://t.co/KAkzuZS0GQ (www.tuxmachines.org)	Sep 07 20:11
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/npe86	Sep 07 20:11
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org \| QEMU Maintainers on the 2.4 Release \| Tux Machines		Sep 07 20:11
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Porting Guix and GuixSD http://t.co/NMXo4ZQavp	Sep 07 20:11
TweetTuxMachines	(www.tuxmachines.org)	Sep 07 20:11
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/npe87	Sep 07 20:11
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org \| Porting Guix and GuixSD \| Tux Machines		Sep 07 20:11
MinceR	i'm pretty sure my android tablet runs "real linux"	Sep 07 20:11
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schestowitz	https://twitter.com/CandidCanon/status/640959753393324032 https://twitter.com/IAM_magazine/status/640962638747271168	Sep 07 21:19
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@CandidCanon: Well said: "but people don’t create patents, people create something and can then apply for a monopoly on it" @schestowitz @IAM_magazine		Sep 07 21:19
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@IAM_magazine: @CandidCanon @schestowitz All patents convey a monopoly? That's a new one. Aren't they actually a right - not an obligation - to exclude?		Sep 07 21:19
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Munich now a major contributor to open source	Sep 07 21:21
TweetTuxMachines	http://t.co/Bm9RZ3mbdG (www.tuxmachines.org)	Sep 07 21:21
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/npf2q	Sep 07 21:21
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Nvidia Releases Updated Linux Drivers for the	Sep 07 21:21
TweetTuxMachines	Old GeForce 8 and 9 Series	Sep 07 21:21
TweetTuxMachines	http://t.co/1e8eNJCFor (www.tuxmachines.org)	Sep 07 21:21
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/npf2r	Sep 07 21:21
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org \| Nvidia Releases Updated Linux Drivers for the Old GeForce 8 and 9 Series \| Tux Machines		Sep 07 21:21
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines OpenELEC 6.0 Beta 5 Now Uses Linux Kernel 4.1	Sep 07 21:21
TweetTuxMachines	and Latest Nvidia Drivers	Sep 07 21:21
TweetTuxMachines	http://t.co/FiIYr5hH3y (www.tuxmachines.org)	Sep 07 21:21
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/npf2t	Sep 07 21:21
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Take Linux Foundation Training, Get a Free	Sep 07 21:42
TweetTuxMachines	Chromebook http://t.co/WKYwCzXn7E	Sep 07 21:42
TweetTuxMachines	(www.tuxmachines.org)	Sep 07 21:42
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org \| Take Linux Foundation Training, Get a Free Chromebook \| Tux Machines		Sep 07 21:42
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/npfby	Sep 07 21:42
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msb__	Here's the major article showing the MH17 metal panel with bullet holes from both sides, thus from the two Ukraine-Nazi jet fighters that were seen with the airliner. Download the indicated pdf and expand it to see the holes clearly. http://www.anderweltonline.com/wissenschaft-und-technik/luftfahrt-2014/shocking-analysis-of-the-shooting-down-of-malaysian-mh17/	Sep 07 21:52
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.anderweltonline.com \| AnderweltOnline: Shocking Analysis of the ‘Shooting Down’ of Malaysian MH17 [ http://ur1.ca/jzepx ]		Sep 07 21:52
schestowitz	https://twitter.com/CandidCanon/status/640992317495599104	Sep 07 21:59
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@CandidCanon: @IAM_magazine @schestowitz Monopoly: "the exclusive possession or control of the supply or trade in a commodity or service."		Sep 07 21:59
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schestowitz	http://www.kubuntu.org/news/kde-applications-15041-available-kubuntu-1504	Sep 07 22:11
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.kubuntu.org \| KDE Applications 15.04.1 Available for Kubuntu 15.04 \| Kubuntu [ http://ur1.ca/npfnw ]		Sep 07 22:11
schestowitz	still no kde 5.4	Sep 07 22:11
schestowitz	only for alpha version	Sep 07 22:11
schestowitz	http://linux.softpedia.com/blog/Kubuntu-15-10-Will-Include-the-KDE-Plasma-5-4-Desktop-Environment-479860.shtml http://news.softpedia.com/news/kde-plasma-5-4-lands-in-kubuntu-15-10-wily-werewolf-491021.shtml	Sep 07 22:11
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-linux.softpedia.com \| Kubuntu 15.10 Will Include the KDE Plasma 5.4 Desktop Environment - Softpedia [ http://ur1.ca/npfo2 ]		Sep 07 22:11
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-news.softpedia.com \| KDE Plasma 5.4 Lands in Kubuntu 15.10 (Wily Werewolf) - Softpedia [ http://ur1.ca/npfo3 ]		Sep 07 22:11
schestowitz	kde 5.4 for kubuntu 15.04	Sep 07 22:14
schestowitz	http://ubuntuhandbook.org/index.php/2015/08/install-kde-plasma-plasma-5-4/ http://askubuntu.com/questions/666175/how-to-install-plasma-5-4-on-kubuntu	Sep 07 22:15
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-ubuntuhandbook.org \| How to Install KDE Plasma 5.4 in (K)Ubuntu 15.04 \| UbuntuHandbook [ http://ur1.ca/npfpj ]		Sep 07 22:15
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-askubuntu.com \| How to install Plasma 5.4 on Kubuntu - Ask Ubuntu [ http://ur1.ca/npfpk ]		Sep 07 22:15
schestowitz	possibly flaky repo	Sep 07 22:15
schestowitz	the latter links to the first	Sep 07 22:16
schestowitz	Frm some blogger "Ji m"	Sep 07 22:16
schestowitz	Maybe some Chinese repo, can't trust it...	Sep 07 22:16
MinceR	of course it's flaky, it's kde5, for ubuntu :>	Sep 07 22:18
schestowitz	https://twitter.com/CandidCanon/status/640992359417708544 https://twitter.com/IAM_magazine/status/640997124734369796	Sep 07 22:22
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@CandidCanon: @IAM_magazine @schestowitz Kind of fits patents, no?		Sep 07 22:22
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@IAM_magazine: @CandidCanon @schestowitz No, the vast majority of patents have no value and do nothing.		Sep 07 22:22
schestowitz	LOL	Sep 07 22:22
schestowitz	What nonsense from patent lawyers	Sep 07 22:22
schestowitz	if they have no value, why get them?	Sep 07 22:22
schestowitz	And if they have value, then they're monopolies	Sep 07 22:23
schestowitz	and that's where they derive their 'value' from	Sep 07 22:23
schestowitz	MinceR: I might just wait for the next major release	Sep 07 22:23
schestowitz	like Kubuntu 15.10	Sep 07 22:23
schestowitz	might also be more stable	Sep 07 22:23
MinceR	i don't think it will get any better	Sep 07 22:23
schestowitz	with overall changed in and out, this systemd and plasma nonsense makes Kubuntu look like crap	Sep 07 22:24
schestowitz	maybe I'll move to devuan when it's ready	Sep 07 22:24
schestowitz	then just add kde to it	Sep 07 22:24
schestowitz	kubuntu got worse, not better	Sep 07 22:24
schestowitz	I would have stayed 'behind' in 2013 if I foresaw this...	Sep 07 22:25
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Librem 13 Free Software Laptop Nears Funding	Sep 07 22:34
TweetTuxMachines	Goals, After Self-Funding	Sep 07 22:34
TweetTuxMachines	http://t.co/t2wdCThVMk (www.tuxmachines.org)	Sep 07 22:34
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/npfxo	Sep 07 22:34
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org \| Librem 13 Free Software Laptop Nears Funding Goals, After Self-Funding \| Tux Machines		Sep 07 22:34
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines The Solus OS Fundraiser Deemed a Success,	Sep 07 22:34
TweetTuxMachines	Project Still Needs Your Help	Sep 07 22:34
TweetTuxMachines	http://t.co/6fdON3C64r (www.tuxmachines.org)	Sep 07 22:34
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/npfxr	Sep 07 22:34
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org \| The Solus OS Fundraiser Deemed a Success, Project Still Needs Your Help \| Tux Machines		Sep 07 22:34
cubexyz	well at least systemd have one positive effect	Sep 07 22:35
cubexyz	it motivated me to check out other distros	Sep 07 22:36
cubexyz	s/have/had/	Sep 07 22:36
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cubexyz	http://www.gabordemooij.com/escape_from_systemd	Sep 07 22:37
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.gabordemooij.com \| Escape from systemd [ http://ur1.ca/jv1fk ]		Sep 07 22:37
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Avnet and Red Hat to bring open source tech to	Sep 07 22:41
TweetTuxMachines	Netherlands http://t.co/NBEAYZiq4d	Sep 07 22:41
TweetTuxMachines	(www.tuxmachines.org)	Sep 07 22:41
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/npg0t	Sep 07 22:41
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org \| Avnet and Red Hat to bring open source tech to Netherlands \| Tux Machines		Sep 07 22:41
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines List Of 10 Funny Linux Commands	Sep 07 22:41
TweetTuxMachines	http://t.co/bSqJb7OppH (www.tuxmachines.org)	Sep 07 22:41
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/npg0u	Sep 07 22:41
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org \| List Of 10 Funny Linux Commands \| Tux Machines		Sep 07 22:41
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Canonical Shows X Apps Running Under Mir and	Sep 07 22:41
TweetTuxMachines	Unity 8 - Video http://t.co/AKwnVp8kIM	Sep 07 22:41
TweetTuxMachines	(www.tuxmachines.org)	Sep 07 22:41
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org \| Canonical Shows X Apps Running Under Mir and Unity 8 - Video \| Tux Machines		Sep 07 22:41
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cubexyz	I'm going to try an experiment	Sep 07 22:42
cubexyz	running TDE programs using ssh with X11 forwarding and compression	Sep 07 22:43
*TweetTuxMachines @RamiSilawi retweeted @tuxmachines: 'List Of 10 Funny Linux Commands http://t.co/bSqJb7OppH'		Sep 07 22:43
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cubexyz	basically run TDE from older computers	Sep 07 22:43
cubexyz	seems viable	Sep 07 22:55
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msb_	Damn! I'm getting "Lag Unknown" on all channels, despite having killed and restarted konversation. Previously, IRC has been very reliable for me.	Sep 07 23:20
MinceR	could be a client issue	Sep 07 23:22
cubexyz	give xchat a try	Sep 07 23:42
cubexyz	maybe check your traffic too, just in case someone is attacking you	Sep 07 23:43
MinceR	xchat is dead and nonfree	Sep 07 23:43
cubexyz	I don't see how it's nonfree	Sep 07 23:46
cubexyz	it's gpl under Linux and BSD	Sep 07 23:46
MinceR	the most recent release was only released for winblows, as shareware	Sep 07 23:48
MinceR	in violation of the GPL, of course	Sep 07 23:48
cubexyz	the IRC protocol hasn't changed much in a long time	Sep 07 23:49
XRevan86	MinceR: Happy thing it's dead.	Sep 07 23:49
XRevan86	and yet alive as hexchat	Sep 07 23:49
MinceR	indeed	Sep 07 23:49
cubexyz	so one could run an older xchat without any problems	Sep 07 23:49
MinceR	among gui clients i prefer kvirc anyway	Sep 07 23:50
MinceR	and if the gui is not a requirement, then weechat or irssi	Sep 07 23:50
XRevan86	cubexyz: But hexchat is the name you should be using.	Sep 07 23:50
XRevan86	It's like "hey, everybody go for OpenOffice.org"	Sep 07 23:50
msb_	I've been using this version of konversation for years. No way it could have changed. My traffic is zilch, at least on this side of my router, which has a firewall.	Sep 07 23:51
MinceR	i see	Sep 07 23:51
MinceR	something can change on the ircd side that would break lag detection though	Sep 07 23:52
MinceR	or connection issues	Sep 07 23:52
cubexyz	does anyone know if it's possible to run ssh forwarded X11 in grayscale?	Sep 07 23:52
cubexyz	trying to figure out a way to speed it up	Sep 07 23:52
MinceR	dunno, but if x can do it, i don't see why not	Sep 07 23:52
MinceR	x can certainly do monochrome	Sep 07 23:52
cubexyz	I bet that hasn't been tested in a long time	Sep 07 23:53
MinceR	:>	Sep 07 23:53
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cubexyz	xdpyinfo says depth 1 is supported but...	Sep 07 23:53
MinceR	(whether current x clients can cope with it is another matter...)	Sep 07 23:54
cubexyz	I get:	Sep 07 23:54
msb_	I suspect my ISP Comcast. In the last week I've had at least a dozen disconnections, lasting up to 30 minutes. They seem to have fixed that, but now there's this problem.	Sep 07 23:54
cubexyz	Fatal server error:	Sep 07 23:54
cubexyz	Unable to find desired default visual	Sep 07 23:54
cubexyz	what does it normally use, depth 24?	Sep 07 23:55
cubexyz	then depth 8 would be faster	Sep 07 23:55
cubexyz	the stupid server only supports 24 bpp it seems	Sep 07 23:56
cubexyz	but xdpyinfo says not	Sep 07 23:56
cubexyz	the video driver doesn't support depth 8	Sep 08 00:11
cubexyz	that figures	Sep 08 00:11
cubexyz	MinceR, could you even imagine firefox running in monochrome mode?	Sep 08 00:13
MinceR	i could imagine it	Sep 08 00:14
MinceR	but i doubt it supports that	Sep 08 00:14
cubexyz	depth 16 works	Sep 08 00:18
cubexyz	I can't really tell if it's any faster	Sep 08 00:18
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msb_	Lots of good MH17 info in this video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YFlGLqiDogA	Sep 08 01:02
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.youtube.com \| Flight MH17 False Flag Conspiracy FULLY EXPOSED! Complete Compilation Of ALL The Evidence! - BUSTED! - YouTube [ http://ur1.ca/nphmm ]		Sep 08 01:02
MinceR	yet another loose change?	Sep 08 01:03
msb_	That flight was diverted into the war zone. An air traffic controller saw Ukrainian air force jet fighters up there with it and tweeted about it and was interviewed.	Sep 08 01:05
__martin__	gn folks	Sep 08 01:05
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msb_	MinceR: The 911 videos linked here have much more information than the early "loose change" video: http://cosmicpenguin.com/#911	Sep 08 01:09
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MinceR	because the only problem with loose change was that it was early, right?	Sep 08 01:11
msb_	I don't even remember anything about it. But the ones here are very good: http://cosmicpenguin.com/#911	Sep 08 01:12
msb_	MinceR: But what you seem to be implying is correct. 911 was a false-flag operation designed to justify the US destruction of many middle-east nations, and the MH17 shootdown was a false-flag operation designed to justify US economic (and maybe other) attacks against Russia.	Sep 08 01:14
msb_	Various people on the ground also saw the jet fighters approaching MH17, and were interviewed about it. The sightings of the fighters, the holes in the metal from both directions, the diversion of the flight into the war zone, all prove that the Nazi-Ukrainians shot down MH17. Then Obama and the US govt/corporate controlled news all made a big storm about it being done by Russia or the people it's supporting.	Sep 08 01:19
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines List Of 10 Funny Linux Commands	Sep 08 01:26
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TweetTuxMachines	@zexy71	Sep 08 01:26
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Real Linux Coming to Tablets	Sep 08 01:30
TweetTuxMachines	http://t.co/M4EQrgeVPX (fossforce.com)	Sep 08 01:30
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-fossforce.com \| Real Linux Coming to Tablets \| FOSS Force		Sep 08 01:30
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Munich now a major contributor to open source	Sep 08 01:30
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msb_	4000x4000 resolution picture of metal plate with holes from both sides: http://www.theunhivedmind.com/wordpress3/wp-content/uploads/2014/07/flightmh17370giant.jpg	Sep 08 02:04
msb_	Sorry, 4418x2944	Sep 08 02:06
MinceR	http://www.stopfake.org/en/mh17-anniversary-in-russia-conspiracy-theories-on-downed-plane-still-find-believers/	Sep 08 02:08
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MinceR	http://www.stopfake.org/en/su-25-mh17-and-the-problems-with-keeping-a-story-straight/	Sep 08 02:14
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.stopfake.org \| SU-25, MH17 and the Problems with Keeping a Story Straight [ http://ur1.ca/npijd ]		Sep 08 02:14
msb_	MinceR: That article uses the word "conspiracy" or "conspiracy theory" eight times, but it does not even mention the holes from both sides and the diversion of the plane into the war zone. It dismisses the ground observers and the air traffic controller who saw the Ukrainian jet fighters near the airliner as "hoaxes", even though both were interviewed!	Sep 08 02:14
MinceR	well, if someone was interviewed, they surely told the truth and it's not possible for them to be wrong	Sep 08 02:14
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msb_	That site gets part of its funding from the "National Endowment for Democracy" Here's the story on them: http://www.thirdworldtraveler.com/Blum/TrojanHorse_RS.html	Sep 08 02:18
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.thirdworldtraveler.com \| Trojan Horse: The National Endowment for Democracy [ http://ur1.ca/npikx ]		Sep 08 02:18
msb_	MinceR: Why do you keep citing these CIA-based websites? Where do you get them from?	Sep 08 02:19
MinceR	https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/RT_%28TV_network%29	Sep 08 02:20
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-en.wikipedia.org \| RT (TV network) - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia [ http://ur1.ca/npilg ]		Sep 08 02:20
MinceR	>Russian state-funded	Sep 08 02:20
msb_	But the question is -- who is telling the truth?	Sep 08 02:20
MinceR	http://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Globalresearch.ca	Sep 08 02:21
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-rationalwiki.org \| Globalresearch.ca - RationalWiki [ http://ur1.ca/jze6b ]		Sep 08 02:21
MinceR	indeed, who is telling the truth?	Sep 08 02:22
MinceR	http://www.politico.eu/article/russias-information-warfare/	Sep 08 02:22
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.politico.eu \| Russia’s information warfare – POLITICO [ http://ur1.ca/npim7 ]		Sep 08 02:22
msb_	Everything in here is anti-Russia: http://www.stopfake.org/en/category/opinions/	Sep 08 02:23
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.stopfake.org \| Opinions [ http://ur1.ca/npiml ]		Sep 08 02:23
MinceR	reality apparently has an anti-russian bias	Sep 08 02:24
MinceR	in addition to its liberal bias	Sep 08 02:24
MinceR	how inconvenient to putin's shills...	Sep 08 02:24
msb_	The politico article screams that RT lies but provides NO examples!	Sep 08 02:25
msb_	MinceR: Again I ask you: Where do you get these US government based sites? Are they paying you, as you accused me?	Sep 08 02:26
MinceR	what makes you think these sites are "US government based"?	Sep 08 02:26
msb_	Stop-fake is funded by the NED which is the US govt.	Sep 08 02:27
msb_	MinceR: If you claim that RT is lying, please tell us some of its lies.	Sep 08 02:28
MinceR	i'm sure you're well aware of its lies	Sep 08 02:28
msb_	No, I haven't noticed any. Please tell us.	Sep 08 02:29
MinceR	the NED is one of the funders of stop-fake. what about the others?	Sep 08 02:29
MinceR	what about the other sites?	Sep 08 02:29
msb_	Why does stop-fake have no articles about the Nazi Maidan coup?	Sep 08 02:30
MinceR	actually, you've already linked a lie from RT in the last 24 hours	Sep 08 02:30
MinceR	191459 -TechrightsBot-tr:#techrights- www.rt.com \| ‘Ukraine situation depends on its people’s patience, not on Russia’ – Putin — RT Russian politics [	Sep 08 02:30
MinceR	http://ur1.ca/npcty ]	Sep 08 02:30
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.rt.com \| ‘Ukraine situation depends on its people’s patience, not on Russia’ – Putin — RT Russian politics		Sep 08 02:30
msb_	What other sites? Politico? It gives no evidence to support its claims.	Sep 08 02:30
MinceR	what evidence does RT or global"research" present?	Sep 08 02:31
msb_	MinceR: How is that a lie?	Sep 08 02:31
MinceR	ukraine is primarily threatened by russia; part of ukraine is under military occupation by russia	Sep 08 02:31
MinceR	they're clearly outgunned	Sep 08 02:31
MinceR	that's not a matter of "patience", that's a matter of russian aggression.	Sep 08 02:32
msb_	According to you. But the Nazi coup was done by the US with 5 BILLION dollars and two Nazi organizations.	Sep 08 02:32
msb_	Before that, everything was peaceful between Ukraine and Russia.	Sep 08 02:32
msb_	MinceR: Is your tactic to try to make us forget about how the conflict started?	Sep 08 02:33
MinceR	http://www.diplomaatia.ee/en/article/the-challenge-of-russias-anti-western-information-warfare/	Sep 08 02:33
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.diplomaatia.ee \| Diplomaatia – The Challenge of Russia’s Anti-Western Information Warfare [ http://ur1.ca/npir8 ]		Sep 08 02:33
MinceR	msb_: is it your tactic to repeat putin's lies until we believe them?	Sep 08 02:34
MinceR	the conflict exists because ukraine behaved as a sovereign state (which we were told it was) and took steps toward joining the EU and the NATO	Sep 08 02:34
msb_	MinceR: STOP LYING ABOUT ME! If you claim I have repeated a lie of Putin, then quote me.	Sep 08 02:34
MinceR	russia considers ukraine to be a part of the russian empire	Sep 08 02:34
MinceR	so they invaded ukraine	Sep 08 02:34
MinceR	033233 < msb_> According to you. But the Nazi coup was done by the US with 5 BILLION dollars and two Nazi organizations.	Sep 08 02:35
MinceR	here's one of those lies	Sep 08 02:35
MinceR	033016 < msb_> Why does stop-fake have no articles about the Nazi Maidan coup?	Sep 08 02:35
MinceR	here's another of those lies	Sep 08 02:35
msb_	But that's true, not a lie!	Sep 08 02:35
MinceR	maybe in the dream world you live in, it's true	Sep 08 02:35
MinceR	in the real world, it's a lie	Sep 08 02:35
msb_	Does it have any? Please link them?	Sep 08 02:35
MinceR	it's not a nazi coup	Sep 08 02:35
MinceR	unlike putin, who is a nazi, like orban	Sep 08 02:36
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MinceR	http://www.economist.com/news/europe/21646756-europe-belatedly-waking-up-russias-information-warfare-aux-armes-journalistes	Sep 08 02:38
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.economist.com \| Aux armes, journalistes! \| The Economist [ http://ur1.ca/npitk ]		Sep 08 02:38
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msb__	MinceR: Great. Your last shitty site crashed firefox, X, and KDE3.	Sep 08 02:40
MinceR	lol	Sep 08 02:40
MinceR	033818 < MinceR> http://www.economist.com/news/europe/21646756-europe-belatedly-waking-up-russias-information-warfare-aux-armes-journalistes	Sep 08 02:41
cubexyz	there's lots of very poor web sites	Sep 08 02:42
MinceR	and msb__ is in the habit of linking them here	Sep 08 02:42
msb__	diplomafia doesn't give any info about itself, but the article says " the disinformation campaign that Russia launched, first to discredit the Ukrainian revolution "	Sep 08 02:43
MinceR	does the catchy name come from the official guidebook to russian shills?	Sep 08 02:43
MinceR	does the instruction to power cycle your computer and blame a link you do not agree with come from there?	Sep 08 02:44
msb__	The "Ukrainian revolution" was a coup that overthrew a democratically elected government, with the aid of FIVE BILLION DOLLARS from the US and the Nazi groups Svoboda and Right Sector.	Sep 08 02:44
MinceR	there were plenty of groups there you're ignoring	Sep 08 02:44
cubexyz	technically poor and browser unfriendly	Sep 08 02:44
MinceR	and of course if the usa did not aid them but only supported them in words, you'd attack them for that instead	Sep 08 02:45
MinceR	there's nothing the usa could conceivably do that does not incite your hatred	Sep 08 02:45
msb__	The US State Department gave them FIVE BILLION DOLLARS.	Sep 08 02:45
MinceR	it was apparently not enough	Sep 08 02:45
MinceR	as the russians still ran ukraine over and it probably won't recover	Sep 08 02:46
msb__	What do you mean? The US/Nazi coup succeeded.	Sep 08 02:46
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msb__	The russians did not "run over": Ukraine. They annexed a very small part of it that voted 80% to join Russia.	Sep 08 02:47
MinceR	at gunpoint	Sep 08 02:47
MinceR	and the government lost control of much of the area, afaik	Sep 08 02:47
MinceR	and they're in crisis	Sep 08 02:47
msb__	Were there russian guns in the polling places? If so, prove it.	Sep 08 02:48
MinceR	irrelevant, they didn't have to be in the polling places	Sep 08 02:48
MinceR	the presence of the russian military was obvious either way	Sep 08 02:48
msb__	They lost control because those people did not want to live under a Nazi government.	Sep 08 02:48
msb__	Then how could they control the vote?	Sep 08 02:48
MinceR	by implied or expressed threats	Sep 08 02:48
MinceR	putler even threatened with nuke	Sep 08 02:49
MinceR	s	Sep 08 02:49
msb__	It was a secret ballot. How could the russians control it?	Sep 08 02:49
MinceR	by promising punishment for an unfavorable result	Sep 08 02:49
MinceR	when did the russians care about the fate of individual ukrainians?	Sep 08 02:49
msb__	but he didn't do that	Sep 08 02:49
MinceR	when they exterminated 2.5~7.5 million of them?	Sep 08 02:50
MinceR	or at some other point?	Sep 08 02:50
msb__	some 750,000 refugees from ukraine came to russia after the coup!	Sep 08 02:50
MinceR	good for them	Sep 08 02:50
msb__	80 years ago again!	Sep 08 02:50
MinceR	they can be sure to be oppressed by their favorite dictator, then	Sep 08 02:50
MinceR	what did russia learn since 80 years ago?	Sep 08 02:50
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msb__	They learned that the US was not their friend, as it pretended to be during WW2. So now they are making economic alliances with BRICS and related nations.	Sep 08 02:52
MinceR	nothing else.	Sep 08 02:53
MinceR	and yet you pretend they've totally changed	Sep 08 02:53
MinceR	you pretend they're free	Sep 08 02:53
MinceR	you pretend they're democratic	Sep 08 02:53
MinceR	you pretend they're not trying to take over the globe	Sep 08 02:53
msb__	MinceR: Please link to where Putin threatened Ukraine with nukes or threatened to punish Crimea for an unfavorable vote.	Sep 08 02:53
MinceR	034857 < MinceR> by implied or expressed threats	Sep 08 02:54
MinceR	do you know what the word "implied" means?	Sep 08 02:54
MinceR	can you find a dictionary on your own or should i google it for you?	Sep 08 02:54
msb__	It means it's only in your warped mind and you can't give any proof. As usual.	Sep 08 02:54
MinceR	putler should really make sure their shills speak english	Sep 08 02:54
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msb__	I don't pretend Russia is democratic or free. But it has made no attempt to take over the globe for some 60 years, whereas the US has destroyed half a dozen nations and murdered 2 million people in the last decade and a half.	Sep 08 02:56
MinceR	what's the annexation of parts of ukraine, georgia, etc. then?	Sep 08 02:56
MinceR	what's the creation of puppet regimes in belarus and ukraine, then?	Sep 08 02:57
msb__	MinceR: Crimea wanted to be annexed.	Sep 08 02:57
MinceR	bullshit	Sep 08 02:57
MinceR	what's the threats to take over the baltic states, poland, etc.?	Sep 08 02:57
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msb__	Just like the 750,000 ukrainians who fled to russia.	Sep 08 02:57
MinceR	those were probably russians, if they existed at all	Sep 08 02:58
MinceR	http://www.stopfake.org/en/none-of-eight-myths-in-putin-s-crimea-is-ours-ideology-stands-up-to-close-examination-popov-says/	Sep 08 02:59
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.stopfake.org \| None of Eight Myths in Putin’s ‘Crimea is Ours’ Ideology Stands Up to Close Examination, Popov Says [ http://ur1.ca/npj2f ]		Sep 08 02:59
msb__	MinceR: It's pointless to talk with you. You just make stuff up. It's a shame, because you are intelligent. But you are either obsessed or paid off.	Sep 08 02:59
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MinceR	msb__: it's pointless to try and reason with you because you have a religious belief in certain obvious falsehoods and some questionable loyalties.	Sep 08 03:00
MinceR	you try to justify all the atrocities of putin's russia on the basis of the bugbear of the usa	Sep 08 03:00
MinceR	you hold all human rights as expendable in the service of destroying the usa	Sep 08 03:01
msb__	Prove it by quoting me.	Sep 08 03:01
msb__	That article says that "The Crimean people have freely voted to rejoin Russia" and "The Euro-Maidan was fascist" are both myths. But it leaves proof of those claims to a non-existent "later article":.	Sep 08 03:02
MinceR	http://euromaidanpress.com/2015/08/27/popov-demolishes-third-krymnash-myth-that-crimean-people-freely-expressed-their-will/	Sep 08 03:03
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-euromaidanpress.com \| Popov demolishes third ‘KrymNash’ myth – that Crimean people freely expressed their will -- EUROMAIDAN PRESSEuromaidan Press \| [ http://ur1.ca/npj4c ]		Sep 08 03:03
MinceR	http://www.eurasiareview.com/05092015-popov-demolishes-krymnash-myth-of-fascist-euro-maidan-oped/	Sep 08 03:05
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.eurasiareview.com \| Popov Demolishes Krymnash Myth Of ‘Fascist Euro-Maidan’ – OpEd \| Eurasia Review [ http://ur1.ca/npj52 ]		Sep 08 03:05
MinceR	really, web search engines aren't that hard to use	Sep 08 03:05
msb__	THe article about the vote says it was invalid because it wasn't allowed by Ukrainian laws. That's a bullshit excuse, and does not say that the russians threatened the voters in any way.	Sep 08 03:07
MinceR	whose constitution should govern referenda?	Sep 08 03:08
msb__	Voting is voting. It should always be considered valid.	Sep 08 03:08
MinceR	even if the voting is in elections where the Party decides who may run?	Sep 08 03:08
MinceR	>When the UN General Assembly voted on the matter, 100 countries said it was not a legitimate referendum. Only 11 did, “including Russia.”	Sep 08 03:09
MinceR	who observed this alleged "referendum"?	Sep 08 03:10
MinceR	>Moreover, the radical right was a marginal force in the Maidan and afterwards. The Svoboda party received only ten percent of the vote, and the post-Maidan Ukrainian government had a Jewish deputy prime minister, an Armenian interior minister and two Russian ministers. “It is possible to call such a government facscist and nazi?”	Sep 08 03:10
msb__	you offered no proof that it was not a secret ballot	Sep 08 03:10
MinceR	try to shift the burden of proof?	Sep 08 03:11
MinceR	trying to shift the burden of proof?	Sep 08 03:11
MinceR	who observed this alleged "referendum"?	Sep 08 03:11
MinceR	http://www.forbes.com/sites/paulroderickgregory/2014/05/05/putins-human-rights-council-accidentally-posts-real-crimean-election-results-only-15-voted-for-annexation/	Sep 08 03:14
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.forbes.com \| Putin's 'Human Rights Council' Accidentally Posts Real Crimean Election Results [ http://ur1.ca/npj8d ]		Sep 08 03:14
MinceR	http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2014/mar/14/crimean-referendum-illegal-international-law	Sep 08 03:18
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.theguardian.com \| Why the Crimean referendum is illegal \| Lea Brilmayer \| Comment is free \| The Guardian [ http://ur1.ca/npja7 ]		Sep 08 03:18
MinceR	by the way, how's the referendum on the secession of Chechnya going?	Sep 08 03:19
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MinceR	http://www.rferl.org/content/putin-crimea-annexation-vote-secret/26891350.html	Sep 08 03:21
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.rferl.org \| Putin Says Crimeans Were Surveyed Before Annexation Vote [ http://ur1.ca/npjb8 ]		Sep 08 03:21
MinceR	>Gunmen were in evidence at polling stations and the atmosphere of intimidation was thick at the time.	Sep 08 03:21
MinceR	makes me wonder if that 30% was a result of gunmen deciding whom to let to the polling stations...	Sep 08 03:21
msb__	rferl is the US government.	Sep 08 03:22
MinceR	RT is the russian government.	Sep 08 03:22
MinceR	your point?	Sep 08 03:22
msb__	Go kill yourself. I'm done with you.	Sep 08 03:23
MinceR	that's an interesting way to admit defeat	Sep 08 03:23
MinceR	also classy	Sep 08 03:23
MinceR	like putler	Sep 08 03:24
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DaemonFC	Had a busy day today. Swimming at the lake, hiking, ATV riding.	Sep 08 05:18
DaemonFC	I got all of the stuff I meant to be doing this summer done on the last day. :P	Sep 08 05:18
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msb__	MinceR: I'm going to make a modified statement about why I'm done with you. A functional debate requires either that both sides be collegial or that the audience think critically and tells the two sides when they've made their claims and when they're full of it. Neither of these conditions is true here. You are not collegial. You either fire a rapid string of lies and refuse to prove any of them, or you reference CIA propaganda	Sep 08 07:47
msb__	websites.	Sep 08 07:47
msb__	MinceR: cubexyz is not an audience -- he's only interested in old software and computers. xrevan86 backs me up, but isn't interested in talking about politics. Roy refuses to access evidence on politics. There are no other participants here.	Sep 08 07:50
msb__	MinceR: It's sometimes useful to me to argue with you, for example today I found all the evidence about the Ukrainian-Nazi shootdown of MH17, which I'll put on my website. But convincing you is impossible. You are neither rational nor fair. In the political area, you're either a psychic vampire or a paid shill.	Sep 08 07:52
msb__	MinceR: If you ever talked politics with a critically-thinking audience, you'd be stomped flat in minutes. So, bye-bye. Psychic vampires (a metaphorical term) can only suck energy from people who participate with them, and I won't anymore. You'll probably go on spewing lies about me, but with no critical audience here, I don't care.	Sep 08 07:57
msb__	MinceR: If you do it a lot, I'll put a note about you on my website. I already have one about a full-blown psychopath who attacked me and others in Usenet.	Sep 08 07:58
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TweetTuxMachines	http://t.co/Pu8JHQrR2V (linuxblog.darkduck.com)	Sep 08 08:41
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/npmr4	Sep 08 08:41
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-linuxblog.darkduck.com \| Austrumi 3.2.2: a nice stranger - Linux notes from DarkDuck		Sep 08 08:41
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines openSUSE Gymnastics: Leaping and Tumbling	Sep 08 08:41
TweetTuxMachines	http://t.co/VI12u5w0CT (ostatic.com)	Sep 08 08:41
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/npmr5	Sep 08 08:41
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-ostatic.com \| openSUSE Gymnastics: Leaping and Tumbling		Sep 08 08:41
*TweetTuxMachines @retroDoomer favourited 'Saints Row 2 Looks Like It's Coming To...'		Sep 08 08:43
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Linux-based Aquaris E4.5 and E5 Ubuntu phones	Sep 08 08:44
TweetTuxMachines	now available for purchase	Sep 08 08:44
TweetTuxMachines	http://t.co/DSHZYCdPse (www.dnaindia.com)	Sep 08 08:44
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.dnaindia.com \| Linux-based Aquaris E4.5 and E5 Ubuntu phones now available for purchase \| Latest News & Updates at Daily News & Analysis		Sep 08 08:44
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/npmsi	Sep 08 08:44
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Ubuntu Touch Developer Proposes 64-Bit (ARM64)	Sep 08 08:56
TweetTuxMachines	Images of Ubuntu for Phones	Sep 08 08:56
TweetTuxMachines	http://t.co/Cidy2seSWj (linux.softpedia.com)	Sep 08 08:56
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-linux.softpedia.com \| Ubuntu Touch Developer Proposes 64-Bit (ARM64) Images of Ubuntu for Phones - Softpedia		Sep 08 08:56
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/npmxi	Sep 08 08:56
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Watch: Ubuntu Phone Scopes Walkthrough	Sep 08 08:56
TweetTuxMachines	http://t.co/ebjym7H1SA (linux.softpedia.com)	Sep 08 08:56
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-linux.softpedia.com \| Watch: Ubuntu Phone Scopes Walkthrough - Softpedia		Sep 08 08:56
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/npmxj	Sep 08 08:56
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Erle-Spider, an Ubuntu-based drone with six	Sep 08 08:57
TweetTuxMachines	legs, launches on Indiegogo	Sep 08 08:57
TweetTuxMachines	http://t.co/Z6IaIMnebw (arstechnica.co.uk)	Sep 08 08:57
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/npmxk	Sep 08 08:57
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-arstechnica.co.uk \| Erle-Spider, an Ubuntu-based drone with six legs, launches on Indiegogo \| Ars Technica UK		Sep 08 08:57
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*TweetTuxMachines @toterewagys favourited 'Erle-Spider, an Ubuntu-based drone with six legs, launches...'		Sep 08 09:14
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Debian upgrades Wheezy and Jessie with a	Sep 08 09:14
TweetTuxMachines	combined 372 updates http://t.co/vVVQbfzR65	Sep 08 09:14
TweetTuxMachines	(www.theregister.co.uk) http://t.co/Qbcz69EFEO	Sep 08 09:14
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.theregister.co.uk \| Debian upgrades Wheezy and Jessie with a combined 372 updates • The Register		Sep 08 09:14
TweetTuxMachines	(news.softpedia.com)	Sep 08 09:14
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-news.softpedia.com \| Debian GNU/Linux 7.9.0 "Wheezy" Now Available for Download - Softpedia		Sep 08 09:14
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/npn43	Sep 08 09:14
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Xiaomi 'Macbook Pro killer' laptop release	Sep 08 09:24
TweetTuxMachines	date, specs news: Device will run on Linux	Sep 08 09:24
TweetTuxMachines	http://t.co/aT09IVNuWz (www.mnrdaily.com)	Sep 08 09:24
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/npn7v	Sep 08 09:24
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.mnrdaily.com \| Xiaomi 'Macbook Pro killer' laptop release date, specs news: Device will run on Linux		Sep 08 09:24
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Mad Max for Linux Disappeared from Press	Sep 08 09:24
TweetTuxMachines	Releases Six Months Ago http://t.co/BghzfTmGA6	Sep 08 09:24
TweetTuxMachines	(news.softpedia.com)	Sep 08 09:24
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-news.softpedia.com \| Mad Max for Linux Disappeared from Press Releases Six Months Ago - Softpedia		Sep 08 09:24
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/npn7w	Sep 08 09:24
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines How to Install and run Kali Linux on any	Sep 08 09:25
TweetTuxMachines	Android Smartphone http://t.co/Ukb2r73IuT	Sep 08 09:25
TweetTuxMachines	(www.techworm.net)	Sep 08 09:25
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/npn7x	Sep 08 09:25
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.techworm.net \| How to Install and run Kali Linux on any Android Smartphone		Sep 08 09:25
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines openSUSE Gymnastics: Leaping and Tumbling	Sep 08 09:25
TweetTuxMachines	http://t.co/RKQ8IMAinm (www.tuxmachines.org)	Sep 08 09:25
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/npn80	Sep 08 09:25
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org \| openSUSE Gymnastics: Leaping and Tumbling \| Tux Machines		Sep 08 09:25
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Linux-based Aquaris E4.5 and E5 Ubuntu phones	Sep 08 09:25
TweetTuxMachines	now available for purchase	Sep 08 09:25
TweetTuxMachines	http://t.co/eZqapQAzqb (www.tuxmachines.org)	Sep 08 09:25
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/npn81	Sep 08 09:25
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org \| Linux-based Aquaris E4.5 and E5 Ubuntu phones now available for purchase \| Tux Machines		Sep 08 09:25
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Erle-Spider, an Ubuntu-based drone with six	Sep 08 09:25
TweetTuxMachines	legs, launches on Indiegogo	Sep 08 09:25
TweetTuxMachines	http://t.co/3XprFPJQj5 (www.tuxmachines.org)	Sep 08 09:25
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/npn84	Sep 08 09:25
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org \| Erle-Spider, an Ubuntu-based drone with six legs, launches on Indiegogo \| Tux Machines		Sep 08 09:25
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Debian Builds, Releases, Bugs	Sep 08 09:25
TweetTuxMachines	http://t.co/iwWe59DkkS (www.tuxmachines.org)	Sep 08 09:25
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/npn85	Sep 08 09:25
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org \| Debian Builds, Releases, Bugs \| Tux Machines		Sep 08 09:25
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines How to Install and run Kali Linux on any	Sep 08 09:45
TweetTuxMachines	Android Smartphone http://t.co/xyoMouDNs7	Sep 08 09:45
TweetTuxMachines	(www.tuxmachines.org)	Sep 08 09:45
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/npnff	Sep 08 09:45
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org \| How to Install and run Kali Linux on any Android Smartphone \| Tux Machines		Sep 08 09:45
*TweetTuxMachines @begebogumez favourited 'Erle-Spider, an Ubuntu-based drone with six legs, launches...'		Sep 08 09:46
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines "Chromebooks have been burning up the sales	Sep 08 09:57
TweetTuxMachines	charts at Amazon," http://t.co/0V799ceLsM	Sep 08 09:57
TweetTuxMachines	(www.itworld.com)	Sep 08 09:57
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/npnjt	Sep 08 09:57
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.itworld.com \| Chromebooks: Asus Flip or Acer 11.6 for Linux? \| ITworld		Sep 08 09:57
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Latest Manjaro Linux Update Brings Linux Kernel	Sep 08 09:57
TweetTuxMachines	4.2, MATE 1.10, and Nvidia 355.11	Sep 08 09:57
TweetTuxMachines	http://t.co/sVFmbpYYti (news.softpedia.com)	Sep 08 09:57
TweetTuxMachines	http://t.co/yd3RXXKmQB (news.softpedia.com)	Sep 08 09:57
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-news.softpedia.com \| Latest Manjaro Linux Update Brings Linux Kernel 4.2, MATE 1.10, and Nvidia 355.11 - Softpedia		Sep 08 09:57
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/npnjv	Sep 08 09:57
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-news.softpedia.com \| Manjaro Linux's Octopi 0.8 Graphical Package Manager Is Almost Ready - Softpedia		Sep 08 09:57
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines The Eagerly Awaited Raspberry Pi Display	Sep 08 09:57
TweetTuxMachines	https://t.co/RIRf76qgFK (www.raspberrypi.org)	Sep 08 09:57
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/npnjw	Sep 08 09:57
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.raspberrypi.org \| The Eagerly Awaited Raspberry Pi Display - Raspberry Pi		Sep 08 09:57
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Gorgeous Arch Linux-Based Apricity OS Gets New	Sep 08 10:05
TweetTuxMachines	Beta with Google Chrome 45, More	Sep 08 10:05
TweetTuxMachines	http://t.co/JIsNTl0t9t (news.softpedia.com)	Sep 08 10:05
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/npnmv	Sep 08 10:05
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-news.softpedia.com \| Gorgeous Arch Linux-Based Apricity OS Gets New Beta with Google Chrome 45, More - Softpedia		Sep 08 10:05
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Linux AIO Now Offers ISO Images with the Zorin	Sep 08 10:05
TweetTuxMachines	OS's Core and Lite Editions	Sep 08 10:05
TweetTuxMachines	http://t.co/veLctMqzae (news.softpedia.com)	Sep 08 10:05
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/npnmx	Sep 08 10:05
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-news.softpedia.com \| Linux AIO Now Offers ISO Images with the Zorin OS's Core and Lite Editions - Softpedia		Sep 08 10:05
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Erle-Spider, an Ubuntu-based drone with six	Sep 08 10:07
TweetTuxMachines	retweeted by legs, launches on Indiegogo	Sep 08 10:07
TweetTuxMachines	@retroDoomer http://t.co/Z6IaIMnebw (arstechnica.co.uk)	Sep 08 10:07
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-arstechnica.co.uk \| Erle-Spider, an Ubuntu-based drone with six legs, launches on Indiegogo \| Ars Technica UK		Sep 08 10:07
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/npnnu	Sep 08 10:07
*TweetTuxMachines @retroDoomer favourited 'Erle-Spider, an Ubuntu-based drone with six legs, launches...'		Sep 08 10:07
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Xiaomi 'Macbook Pro killer' laptop release	Sep 08 10:15
TweetTuxMachines	retweeted by date, specs news: Device will run on Linux	Sep 08 10:15
TweetTuxMachines	@retroDoomer http://t.co/aT09IVNuWz (www.mnrdaily.com)	Sep 08 10:16
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/npnqz	Sep 08 10:16
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.mnrdaily.com \| Xiaomi 'Macbook Pro killer' laptop release date, specs news: Device will run on Linux		Sep 08 10:16
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Vendetta Online 1.8.349 3D Space Combat Game	Sep 08 10:16
TweetTuxMachines	Updates the Voice Chat System	Sep 08 10:16
TweetTuxMachines	http://t.co/rL1lgbrqMD (news.softpedia.com)	Sep 08 10:16
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/npnr0	Sep 08 10:16
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Unvanquished 0.43 FPS Game Adds Map Updates,	Sep 08 10:26
TweetTuxMachines	Fixes the "Red Screen" Bug	Sep 08 10:26
TweetTuxMachines	http://t.co/XY1hHArArr (news.softpedia.com)	Sep 08 10:26
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/npnv6	Sep 08 10:26
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-news.softpedia.com \| Unvanquished 0.43 FPS Game Adds Map Updates, Fixes the "Red Screen" Bug - Softpedia		Sep 08 10:26
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines The Intel Changes For Linux 4.3	Sep 08 10:26
TweetTuxMachines	http://t.co/3wTtZn2qlO (www.phoronix.com)	Sep 08 10:26
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/npnv7	Sep 08 10:26
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.phoronix.com \| The Intel Changes For Linux 4.3 - Phoronix		Sep 08 10:26
cubexyz	it's an interestin thing...	Sep 08 10:26
cubexyz	as people have tried to make computers easier to use there's another effect that happens	Sep 08 10:27
cubexyz	the users get dumber	Sep 08 10:27
*TweetTuxMachines @techmuser favourited 'The Intel Changes For Linux 4.3 http://t.co/3wTtZn2qlO'		Sep 08 10:30
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Intel and Linux http://t.co/YTouVgV0lS	Sep 08 10:31
TweetTuxMachines	(www.phoronix.com) http://t.co/SiYlVnbG7l	Sep 08 10:31
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.phoronix.com \| L3 Cache Partitioning Coming For The Intel DRM Driver - Phoronix		Sep 08 10:31
TweetTuxMachines	(www.phoronix.com)	Sep 08 10:31
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.phoronix.com \| Intel's 3.0 X.Org Driver Has Now Been In Development For Two Years - Phoronix		Sep 08 10:31
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/npnxb	Sep 08 10:31
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Company of Heroes 2 DLCs Arrive from Feral	Sep 08 10:31
TweetTuxMachines	Interactive http://t.co/HnOOVtUJw8	Sep 08 10:31
TweetTuxMachines	(news.softpedia.com)	Sep 08 10:31
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-news.softpedia.com \| Company of Heroes 2 DLCs Arrive from Feral Interactive - Softpedia		Sep 08 10:31
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/npnxc	Sep 08 10:31
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines elementary OS 0.3.1 Is Still Beautiful, but	Sep 08 10:40
TweetTuxMachines	It's No Longer Exciting http://t.co/zET4o06oB1	Sep 08 10:40
TweetTuxMachines	(news.softpedia.com)	Sep 08 10:40
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-news.softpedia.com \| elementary OS 0.3.1 Is Still Beautiful, but It's No Longer Exciting - Softpedia		Sep 08 10:40
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/npo0w	Sep 08 10:40
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines XFS Lands Many Fixes For The Linux 4.3 Kernel	Sep 08 10:40
TweetTuxMachines	http://t.co/xWXHQJeNau (www.phoronix.com)	Sep 08 10:40
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/npo0y	Sep 08 10:40
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.phoronix.com \| XFS Lands Many Fixes For The Linux 4.3 Kernel - Phoronix		Sep 08 10:40
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Three Years Later, FBDEV Drivers Still Active	Sep 08 10:40
TweetTuxMachines	In The Linux Kernel http://t.co/iHjfdkUhbG	Sep 08 10:40
TweetTuxMachines	(www.phoronix.com)	Sep 08 10:40
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.phoronix.com \| Three Years Later, FBDEV Drivers Still Active In The Linux Kernel - Phoronix		Sep 08 10:40
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/npo0z	Sep 08 10:40
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Linux AIO Now Offers ISO Images with the Zorin	Sep 08 10:40
TweetTuxMachines	OS's Core and Lite Editions	Sep 08 10:40
TweetTuxMachines	http://t.co/QSBb3zpmzV (www.tuxmachines.org)	Sep 08 10:40
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/npo11	Sep 08 10:40
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org \| Linux AIO Now Offers ISO Images with the Zorin OS's Core and Lite Editions \| Tux Machines		Sep 08 10:40
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Intel and Linux http://t.co/zOUMdyeXDL	Sep 08 10:40
TweetTuxMachines	(www.tuxmachines.org)	Sep 08 10:40
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org \| Intel and Linux \| Tux Machines		Sep 08 10:40
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/npo12	Sep 08 10:40
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines elementary OS 0.3.1 Is Still Beautiful, but	Sep 08 10:40
TweetTuxMachines	It's No Longer Exciting http://t.co/dJ9dO5RWLY	Sep 08 10:40
TweetTuxMachines	(www.tuxmachines.org)	Sep 08 10:41
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org \| elementary OS 0.3.1 Is Still Beautiful, but It's No Longer Exciting \| Tux Machines		Sep 08 10:41
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/npo15	Sep 08 10:41
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Apple's iPhone loses top spot to Android in	Sep 08 10:41
TweetTuxMachines	Australia http://t.co/f6DFpSO1Fk	Sep 08 10:41
TweetTuxMachines	(www.tuxmachines.org)	Sep 08 10:41
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org \| Apple's iPhone loses top spot to Android in Australia \| Tux Machines		Sep 08 10:41
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/npo16	Sep 08 10:41
cubexyz	haha, this is cool	Sep 08 10:53
cubexyz	http://www.maxhost.org/other/openbsd-running-icecat-g1.png	Sep 08 10:53
cubexyz	http://www.maxhost.org/other/openbsd-running-kde.3.4.2-stuff.png	Sep 08 11:00
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines XFS Lands Many Fixes For The Linux 4.3 Kernel	Sep 08 11:28
TweetTuxMachines	http://t.co/gb5t9mfTXE (www.tuxmachines.org)	Sep 08 11:28
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/npoky	Sep 08 11:28
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org \| XFS Lands Many Fixes For The Linux 4.3 Kernel \| Tux Machines		Sep 08 11:28
*TweetTuxMachines @ApricityOS followed @tuxmachines		Sep 08 11:28
msb__	cubexyz: Looks much better with the cat!	Sep 08 11:45
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Links 8/9/2015: Peppermint 6, elementary OS	Sep 08 11:53
TweetTuxMachines	0.3.1	Sep 08 11:53
TweetTuxMachines	http://t.co/3kjfkbxREG (techrights.org)	Sep 08 11:53
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/npovl	Sep 08 11:53
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org \| Links 8/9/2015: Peppermint 6, elementary OS 0.3.1 \| Techrights		Sep 08 11:54
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Leftovers: Gaming http://t.co/8ceSsOuUVx	Sep 08 11:54
TweetTuxMachines	(www.tuxmachines.org)	Sep 08 11:54
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org \| Leftovers: Gaming \| Tux Machines		Sep 08 11:54
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/npovm	Sep 08 11:54
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines today's howtos http://t.co/8zhVug9SjA	Sep 08 11:54
TweetTuxMachines	(www.tuxmachines.org)	Sep 08 11:54
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org \| today's howtos \| Tux Machines		Sep 08 11:54
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/npovn	Sep 08 11:54
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Leftovers: Ubuntu http://t.co/yNZtCUPJDP	Sep 08 11:54
TweetTuxMachines	(www.tuxmachines.org)	Sep 08 11:54
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org \| Leftovers: Ubuntu \| Tux Machines		Sep 08 11:54
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/npovq	Sep 08 11:54
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cubexyz	a pity there's no modern firefox-g1	Sep 08 12:43
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Desktop Leftovers http://t.co/Ktvmd6ddUk	Sep 08 13:06
TweetTuxMachines	(www.tuxmachines.org)	Sep 08 13:06
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org \| Desktop Leftovers \| Tux Machines		Sep 08 13:06
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/npppk	Sep 08 13:06
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines today's leftovers http://t.co/UmX4Mn0a1J	Sep 08 13:06
TweetTuxMachines	(www.tuxmachines.org)	Sep 08 13:06
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org \| today's leftovers \| Tux Machines		Sep 08 13:06
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/npppl	Sep 08 13:06
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Today in Techrights http://t.co/4lYRm1Bl6E	Sep 08 13:07
TweetTuxMachines	(www.tuxmachines.org)	Sep 08 13:07
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org \| Today in Techrights \| Tux Machines		Sep 08 13:07
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/npppm	Sep 08 13:07
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MinceR	what msb__ did is known as https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Psychological_projection	Sep 08 13:32
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-en.wikipedia.org \| Psychological projection - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia [ http://ur1.ca/npq1z ]		Sep 08 13:32
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MinceR	http://www.pleated-jeans.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/08/red1-13.jpg	Sep 08 14:58
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Today in Techrights http://t.co/pJBG3VEH5U	Sep 08 17:09
TweetTuxMachines	(www.tuxmachines.org)	Sep 08 17:09
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TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/npsuq	Sep 08 17:09
msb__	Interesting! In this article from Radio Free Europe (i.e., the CIA) via MinceR, it says that Putin conducted an opinion survey in Crimea that found that 75% of the people wanted Crimea joined to Russia. The article says, "Gunmen were in evidence at polling stations and the atmosphere of intimidation was thick at the time" but it gives NO source for this claim, and it is well-known that the CIA lies copiously, and has done since the	Sep 08 17:10
msb__	end of WW2. So, given what can be trusted from the article, it proves that the Crimeans _did_ want to (re-)join Russia.	Sep 08 17:10
MinceR	cherry-picking	Sep 08 17:11
msb__	http://www.rferl.org/content/putin-crimea-annexation-vote-secret/26891350.html	Sep 08 17:11
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.rferl.org \| Putin Says Crimeans Were Surveyed Before Annexation Vote [ http://ur1.ca/npjb8 ]		Sep 08 17:11
MinceR	also, note the words "putin says"	Sep 08 17:11
MinceR	oh wait, to msb__ that means "the perfect truth that was revealed is as follows"	Sep 08 17:11
MinceR	putin says russia is an evil nazi empire	Sep 08 17:12
msb__	Note the words "The CIA says".	Sep 08 17:12
MinceR	http://www.economist.com/blogs/easternapproaches/2014/03/crimea-votes-secede	Sep 08 17:12
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.economist.com \| Crimea votes to secede: Ukraine's amputation \| The Economist [ http://ur1.ca/npswm ]		Sep 08 17:12
msb__	The CIA's title "Putin Says Crimeans Were Surveyed Before Annexation Vote" is a declaration against interest. If it's not true, why would the CIA mention it. And why would it quote Putin on the results of his opinion survey.	Sep 08 17:16
msb__	The very first comment to the Economist article accurately calls it "blatant one sided propaganda".	Sep 08 17:23
MinceR	which accurately describes your utterances	Sep 08 17:26
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Links 8/9/2015: Peppermint 6, elementary OS	Sep 08 17:28
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TweetTuxMachines	@schestowitz http://t.co/3kjfkbxREG (techrights.org)	Sep 08 17:28
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/npsvq	Sep 08 17:28
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines How Debian Is Trying to Shut Down the CIA and	Sep 08 17:28
TweetTuxMachines	Make Software Trustworthy Again	Sep 08 17:28
TweetTuxMachines	http://t.co/z2N7fYRxQX (motherboard.vice.com)	Sep 08 17:28
TweetTuxMachines	good article...	Sep 08 17:28
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TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/npt3g	Sep 08 17:28
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Amazon said to be readying $50 6-inch tablet	Sep 08 17:28
TweetTuxMachines	for holidays http://t.co/flQTdyS5Oo	Sep 08 17:28
TweetTuxMachines	(www.cnet.com)	Sep 08 17:28
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msb__	schestowitz: That article on reproducible compilation _is_ excellent. But unless Debian gets rid of systemd there's still the chance of a subtle backdoor being hidden in the source code, to be triggered by a stack overflow, etc.	Sep 08 17:36
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MinceR	180503 < MinceR> yeah, right	Sep 08 17:37
MinceR	180524 < MinceR> the distro that gave up all its principles to force systemd on its users cares about trustworthy software	Sep 08 17:37
schestowitz	>>> http://www.i-programmer.info/news/99-professional/8963-steve-wozniak-on-education-engineering-a-apple.html	Sep 08 17:37
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.i-programmer.info \| Steve Wozniak On Education, Engineering & Apple [ http://ur1.ca/npnpn ]		Sep 08 17:37
schestowitz	>>> >>	Sep 08 17:37
schestowitz	>> > Woz doesn't talk about FOSS in education, does he?	Sep 08 17:37
schestowitz	> Not directly. He does say this:	Sep 08 17:37
schestowitz	>	Sep 08 17:37
schestowitz	>	Sep 08 17:37
schestowitz	> "Steve Jobs played no role at all in any of my designs of the Apple I	Sep 08 17:37
schestowitz	> and Apple II computer and printer interfaces and serial interfaces and	Sep 08 17:37
schestowitz	> floppy disks and stuff that I made to enhance the computers. "	Sep 08 17:37
schestowitz	> ...	Sep 08 17:37
schestowitz	> "The Apple II computer, by the way, was the only successful product	Sep 08 17:37
schestowitz	> Apple had for its first 10 years, and it was all done, for my own	Sep 08 17:37
schestowitz	> reasons for myself, before Steve Jobs even knew it existed."	Sep 08 17:37
schestowitz	>	Sep 08 17:37
schestowitz	>	Sep 08 17:37
schestowitz	> And then it must be recalled separately that the Apple ][ came with both	Sep 08 17:37
schestowitz	> printed source code and full hardware schematics for the system. So it	Sep 08 17:37
schestowitz	> was both FOSS in that respect.	Sep 08 17:37
schestowitz	>	Sep 08 17:37
schestowitz	> Anecdotes: I rewrote part of the monitor ROM once and then got a friend	Sep 08 17:37
schestowitz	> of a friend to burn it to an (E)EPROM suitable for use. Others modded	Sep 08 17:37
schestowitz	> the keyboard. Several made their own peripherals. I made a pair of	Sep 08 17:37
schestowitz	> game joysticks by following someone else's instructions. A friend did	Sep 08 17:37
schestowitz	> the same and used it with some text editor that used it as what he	Sep 08 17:37
schestowitz	> called a "mouse", a new concept then.	Sep 08 17:37
schestowitz	>	Sep 08 17:37
schestowitz	> Even some games of the day came with source code. Read the splash	Sep 08 17:37
schestowitz	> screen for Eamon:	Sep 08 17:37
MericanShards	No pastebin use here?	Sep 08 17:37
schestowitz	>	Sep 08 17:37
schestowitz	> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eamon_%28video_game%29	Sep 08 17:37
schestowitz	>	Sep 08 17:37
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-en.wikipedia.org \| Eamon (video game) - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia [ http://ur1.ca/npt7p ]		Sep 08 17:37
schestowitz	> "Non-commercial distribution welcomed"	Sep 08 17:38
MericanShards	"Noncommercial distribution without a license welcomed..."	Sep 08 17:38
schestowitz	yeah	Sep 08 17:39
schestowitz	but that's not Apple	Sep 08 17:39
schestowitz	it's a friend recalling what Apple used to be and other companies used to allow	Sep 08 17:39
schestowitz	before MS and Apple (among others) made proprietary and secret the norm	Sep 08 17:39
MericanShards	I'm fine with proprietary software, as long as it has to compete fairly with open source. Proprietary games are often excellent software products, and open source games often make me want to cry.	Sep 08 17:42
MericanShards	However, both Autocad and BRL-Cad are excellent, though one is markedly more difficult to use.	Sep 08 17:43
MinceR	have you tried xonotic?	Sep 08 17:43
MericanShards	I prefer OpenArena, though I really do need to implement 'cookie crumbs' and 'cookie crumb following bots'	Sep 08 17:43
MinceR	:>	Sep 08 17:44
MericanShards	I'm looking up Xonotic	Sep 08 17:44
msb__	The Apple ][ was very impressive, especially the extremely simple NTSC color encoding circuit that Woz invented. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Steve_Wozniak https://www.macstories.net/news/woz-putting-color-in-the-computer-was-one-of-the-biggest-things-apple-ever-did/	Sep 08 17:44
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-en.wikipedia.org \| Steve Wozniak - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia [ http://ur1.ca/nptaj ]		Sep 08 17:44
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.macstories.net \| Woz: Putting Color In The Computer Was One Of The Biggest Things Apple Ever Did – MacStories [ http://ur1.ca/nptak ]		Sep 08 17:44
MericanShards	Not really interested in Xonotic, I can get plenty of good FPS-es for reasonable or cheap. One of the commercial freemium games for android was pretty fun.	Sep 08 17:45
MericanShards	(I dislike paying, but the clearance bin doesn't hurt that much, and I like plots... better writers).	Sep 08 17:45
MericanShards	Though, if someone would finish this game engine, I WOULD KILL TO GET A GAME MADE WITH IT. https://github.com/xoyojank/nebula3	Sep 08 17:46
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-github.com \| xoyojank/nebula3 · GitHub		Sep 08 17:46
MericanShards	The fact of the matter is that Games(and game engines) are outdated so quickly and require such a level of expertise that it's hard for open source to compete.	Sep 08 17:47
MericanShards	*opinion	Sep 08 17:48
MericanShards	Anyway, I joined this channel over software patents and the recent ruling. I'm glad, but I really don't feel free enough to actually code yet, the impending 'legion of doom' terrifies me into only coding simple things, when I have much grander ideas.	Sep 08 17:49
msb__	RT has many non-Russian journalists highly respected in the US and the world, with their own shows: Max Keiser (with guest Gerald Celente), Larry King, Jesse Ventura, Tyrel Ventura.	Sep 08 18:06
schestowitz	[02:25] <msb_> The politico article screams that RT lies but provides NO examples!	Sep 08 18:22
schestowitz	Just caught up with this whole conversation	Sep 08 18:23
schestowitz	with msb__ still pushing the "9/11" lunacy	Sep 08 18:23
schestowitz	and then adding the latest spice from Ukraine	Sep 08 18:23
schestowitz	Citing some of the MOST RIDICULOUS flavours	Sep 08 18:23
schestowitz	like the "CIA did it"	Sep 08 18:23
schestowitz	Or "jets did it'	Sep 08 18:23
schestowitz	Rather than say, separatists rather than Russians did it	Sep 08 18:23
schestowitz	or some sane 9/11 debate over whether it could be prevented	Sep 08 18:23
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schestowitz	and whether there was a deliberate (as some claim) oversight, negligence, etc.	Sep 08 18:24
schestowitz	So in that sense, msb__ helps the CIA propaganda	Sep 08 18:24
schestowitz	Because he won't cite moderate voices, only those serving to distract from them, like the "truther" and "controlled demolition" crow	Sep 08 18:25
msb__	schestowitz: These videos prove that the WTC was blown up with explosives. But so far you refuse to view them. http://cosmicpenguin.com/#911	Sep 08 18:25
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-cosmicpenguin.com \| Human Society That Works For Everyone		Sep 08 18:25
schestowitz	there you go reinforcing what I said	Sep 08 18:27
msb__	As to MH17, here's the evidence that it was shot down by jet fighter planes: http://www.anderweltonline.com/wissenschaft-und-technik/luftfahrt-2014/shocking-analysis-of-the-shooting-down-of-malaysian-mh17/	Sep 08 18:27
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.anderweltonline.com \| AnderweltOnline: Shocking Analysis of the ‘Shooting Down’ of Malaysian MH17 [ http://ur1.ca/jzepx ]		Sep 08 18:27
msb__	http://www.theunhivedmind.com/wordpress3/wp-content/uploads/2014/07/flightmh17370giant.jpg	Sep 08 18:27
msb__	https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YFlGLqiDogA	Sep 08 18:28
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msb__	The idea that telling the actual truth "helps the CIA propaganda" is utter nonsense.	Sep 08 18:29
msb__	It sounds like something out of _1984_.	Sep 08 18:30
schestowitz	you discredit legitimate critics	Sep 08 18:31
msb__	The term "moderate" is ridiculous when applied to something like 911 or MH17. These things happened one way or the other. There's no middle ground.	Sep 08 18:31
schestowitz	but lumping with together with Kremlin disinfo	Sep 08 18:31
schestowitz	and making them look like Russian agents	Sep 08 18:31
msb__	They aren't ridiculous if they are _wrong_.	Sep 08 18:31
schestowitz	like those who would connect JFK assassination with alients	Sep 08 18:31
schestowitz	*aliens	Sep 08 18:31
msb__	Standard straw-man fallacy.	Sep 08 18:32
XRevan86	straw-men?	Sep 08 18:33
msb__	They aren't legitimate if they are _wrong_.	Sep 08 18:33
msb__	XRevan86: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Straw_man	Sep 08 18:34
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-en.wikipedia.org \| Straw man - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia		Sep 08 18:34
XRevan86	msb__: I see	Sep 08 18:34
msb__	It means attacking someone for a ridiculous argument (in this case JFK and aliens) that they never made.	Sep 08 18:35
msb__	schestowitz: Please read/view the 3 references I just gave for MH17. They have nothing to do with "Kremlin disinfo".	Sep 08 18:36
msb__	schestowitz: And please view the videos linked here: http://cosmicpenguin.com/#911 What are you afraid of? Watching a movie can't hurt you.	Sep 08 18:40
msb__	schestowitz: Some people are so brainwashed by Microsoft that they are afraid to even look at Linux. I don't think you want to be like that.	Sep 08 18:41
schestowitz	[17:36] <msb__> schestowitz: That article on reproducible compilation _is_ excellent. But unless Debian gets rid of systemd there's still the chance of a subtle backdoor being hidden in the source code, to be triggered by a stack overflow, etc.	Sep 08 18:44
schestowitz	Any software poses such a risk	Sep 08 18:44
schestowitz	the thing that makes systemd unique is that it's far less mature and harder to replace	Sep 08 18:44
schestowitz	so it makes it very prevalent in mnay distros	Sep 08 18:44
schestowitz	!google nsa phoronix systemd	Sep 08 18:45
TechrightsBot-tr	[1] - The NSA Is Looking At Systemd's KDBUS - Phoronix \| https://www.phoronix.com/scan.php%3Fpage%3Dnews_item%26px%3DNSA-KDBUS-Credentials	Sep 08 18:45
TechrightsBot-tr	[2] - systemd - Phoronix \| http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php%3Fpage%3Dsearch%26q%3Dsystemd	Sep 08 18:45
TechrightsBot-tr	[3] - The NSA Is Looking At Systemd's KDBUS - Phoronix Forums \| http://www.phoronix.com/forums/forum/phoronix/general-discussion/810047-the-nsa-is-looking-at-systemd-s-kdbus	Sep 08 18:45
TechrightsBot-tr	[4] - systemd Linux & Open-Source News - Phoronix \| https://www.phoronix.com/scan.php%3Fpage%3Dnews_topic%26q%3Dsystemd	Sep 08 18:45
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schestowitz	https://joindiaspora.com/posts/6568136	Sep 08 18:49
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: #Xiaomi 'Macbook Pro killer' laptop release date, specs news: Device will run on Linux http://www.mnrdaily.com/article/xiaomi.macbook.pro.killer.laptop.to.run.linux.to.be.released.in.2016/3763.htm #gnu #linux #china		Sep 08 18:49
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights--> www.mnrdaily.com \| Xiaomi 'Macbook Pro killer' laptop release date, specs news: To run Linux [ http://ur1.ca/npu2p ]		Sep 08 18:49
schestowitz	"Only second quarter of 2016?!"	Sep 08 18:49
schestowitz	Long wait...	Sep 08 18:49
msb__	schestowitz: systemd is very complex and has the possibility of subtle race conditions and other problems (as we've seen recently). I think that such problems could be built in (they may not be there now), and could allow the government to take control of Linux systems. It's a gut feeling based on the huge extent of violation of good Unix engineering practices, the unnecessarily rapid and widespread adoption, and the feeping	Sep 08 18:56
msb__	creaturism that is still ongoing.	Sep 08 18:56
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schestowitz	https://twitter.com/CandidCanon/status/641311013770526721 https://twitter.com/CandidCanon/status/641311195056762881 https://twitter.com/IAM_magazine/status/641313127766863873	Sep 08 19:13
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@CandidCanon: @IAM_magazine @schestowitz I must be in an alternate universe...how can you say that? Would you advocate removal of patents altogether then?		Sep 08 19:13
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@CandidCanon: @IAM_magazine @schestowitz Not for you anyway. I'm still not understanding what's going on here. Definitely needs a write up >140 chars...		Sep 08 19:13
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@IAM_magazine: @CandidCanon @schestowitz Nope. You don't know what patents are valuable - monetarily and/or strategically - until you have them.		Sep 08 19:13
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Viper550	wow, Microsoft is so desperate to infect the enterprise with its Surface products that it has compiled a list of companies you should no longer support under the guide of an "enterprise initutive"	Sep 08 19:32
MinceR	:>	Sep 08 19:33
Viper550	"Microsoft Expands Surface Pro Options for the Enterprise " says a blatant Microsoft booster	Sep 08 19:34
Viper550	Dell will be reselling it and offer its own enterprise services for them	Sep 08 19:40
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Today in Techrights http://t.co/pJBG3VEH5U	Sep 08 19:51
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TweetTuxMachines	@The_Code_Shirts	Sep 08 19:51
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/npusj	Sep 08 19:51
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Debian Security http://t.co/ofbFwEFntk	Sep 08 19:51
TweetTuxMachines	(www.tuxmachines.org)	Sep 08 19:51
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/npusl	Sep 08 19:51
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schestowitz	https://twitter.com/IAM_magazine/status/641313127766863873 https://twitter.com/IAM_magazine/status/641314218906664960 https://twitter.com/CandidCanon/status/641318199338926082	Sep 08 19:57
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@IAM_magazine: @CandidCanon @schestowitz FYI ... http://t.co/SmR2udkHDl		Sep 08 19:57
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights--> www.iam-media.com \| Under 1% of patents account for close to 50% of overall patent value in Europe - UPDATED - Blog - Intellectual Asset Management (IAM) - Maximising IP Value for Business		Sep 08 19:57
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@CandidCanon: @IAM_magazine @schestowitz That's the dumbest thing I've ever heard. I mean, like THE dumbest. You have to own a patent to know its worth?		Sep 08 19:57
schestowitz	https://twitter.com/IAM_magazine/status/641322622630895616	Sep 08 19:57
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@IAM_magazine: @CandidCanon @schestowitz It has to exist, yes. Sorry if that is too much for you to get your head round :-D		Sep 08 19:57
schestowitz	https://twitter.com/CandidCanon/status/641325667393634309 https://twitter.com/CandidCanon/status/641325734649307137 https://twitter.com/IAM_magazine/status/641326124019130368	Sep 08 20:07
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@CandidCanon: @IAM_magazine @schestowitz When you say "have them", you mean "until you've patented it". Not, as I thought, "until you own the patent."		Sep 08 20:07
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@CandidCanon: @IAM_magazine @schestowitz Am I closer? Does one of us need English speaking lessons? I vote you. =)		Sep 08 20:07
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@IAM_magazine: @CandidCanon @schestowitz You speak American, don't you? ;-)		Sep 08 20:07
schestowitz	https://twitter.com/CandidCanon/status/641326818356801537	Sep 08 20:08
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@CandidCanon: @IAM_magazine @schestowitz Close...Texan. Do not confuse Texans with Americans, it could be dangerous... LOL!		Sep 08 20:08
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines How I use Android: Falcon Pro and Twitter	Sep 08 20:33
TweetTuxMachines	developer Joaquim Vergès http://t.co/EU6uxbudfp	Sep 08 20:33
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines UK government publishes ODF guidance	Sep 08 20:33
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Plasma 5.4.1 Bugfix Release for September	Sep 08 20:33
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines The Moto 360 and Android Wear are coming to	Sep 08 20:33
TweetTuxMachines	China http://t.co/FbfbrQ2qCm	Sep 08 20:33
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XRevan86	For some unknown reason Devuan doesn't have some packages Debian must have.	Sep 08 21:08
XRevan86	https://packages.debian.org/jessie/osc is not in repos	Sep 08 21:08
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-SSL connect error ( status 0 @ https://packages.debian.org/jessie/osc )		Sep 08 21:08
XRevan86	ah, no alarm, there's nothing in repos	Sep 08 21:09
XRevan86	at all	Sep 08 21:09
MinceR	not even in the merged repo?	Sep 08 21:09
XRevan86	MinceR: Exactly merged repo	Sep 08 21:10
XRevan86	it's empty	Sep 08 21:10
MinceR	maybe some issue with amprolla	Sep 08 21:10
XRevan86	MinceR: I guess.	Sep 08 21:10
MinceR	it would be better to mention it on #devuan	Sep 08 21:10
MinceR	or to file a bug	Sep 08 21:10
XRevan86	I'll wait	Sep 08 21:11
XRevan86	I doubt it's unnoticed	Sep 08 21:11
XRevan86	I at first thought they went phyco and removed some stuff from repos %).	Sep 08 21:17
XRevan86	But no, everything's in order.	Sep 08 21:17
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DaemonFC	https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hungarian_forint	Sep 08 22:03
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DaemonFC	"Forgery of forint banknotes is not significant."	Sep 08 22:03
DaemonFC	Considering that you only get half as many US dollars for them as you could 7 years ago might be discouraging the counterfeiters.	Sep 08 22:03
DaemonFC	Massive devaluation.	Sep 08 22:03
MinceR	indeed	Sep 08 22:04
MinceR	and our government is pretending it's not losing value	Sep 08 22:04
MinceR	in part via trickery with prices set by the government	Sep 08 22:04
MinceR	(venezuela style)	Sep 08 22:04
DaemonFC	Yeah. "1.3% inflation" but price controls make sure that there's also nothing on the shelves while farmers are drowning the chickens.	Sep 08 22:05
DaemonFC	The US experimented with price controls briefly in the 70s and found out that the results were far worse than even double-digit inflation.	Sep 08 22:05
DaemonFC	The result of price controls has invariably been disaster, ever since Diocletian's Edict on Maximum Prices, but people never seem to learn. :)	Sep 08 22:11
DaemonFC	It sometimes works as a temporary wartime measure along with ration coupons, but it requires a population that's willing to make sacrifices for what they believe is ultimately the greater good. The US during the second world war, for example. I don't think we have people like that anymore. Tell them they can't buy the latest iPhone and watch them lose their shit.	Sep 08 22:14
MinceR	:>	Sep 08 22:14
DaemonFC	https://scontent-ord1-1.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-xfp1/v/t1.0-9/12003006_905554256183305_8884678373833488037_n.jpg?oh=42262aa883390e87b721c22f86521227&oe=566ED71E	Sep 08 22:19
msb__	I'm trying to adapt my PC-DOS C code for Tetris to Linux, but the arrays have graphic hex-codes in them (e.g., to make a solid square), that I can't even see properly with the mc editor. Aggh!	Sep 08 22:19
MinceR	vim could help	Sep 08 22:21
MinceR	http://vim.wikia.com/wiki/Showing_the_ASCII_value_of_the_current_character	Sep 08 22:21
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-vim.wikia.com \| Showing the ASCII value of the current character - Vim Tips Wiki [ http://ur1.ca/npwl8 ]		Sep 08 22:21
MinceR	also, this: http://www.asciitable.com/	Sep 08 22:21
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.asciitable.com \| Ascii Table - ASCII character codes and html, octal, hex and decimal chart conversion		Sep 08 22:21
msb__	I can see the characters with my "sho" program, that shows all 256 codes, but I can't edit them with that.	Sep 08 22:23
msb__	I don't want to learn a new editor. I'll just replace them with printable characters and convert them in the code when they're used.	Sep 08 22:25
MinceR	People think that I must be a very strange person. This is not correct. I have the heart of a small boy. It is in a glass jar on my desk.	Sep 08 22:25
MinceR	Stephen King	Sep 08 22:25
DaemonFC	MinceR, Do you suppose that Hungary is trying to keep a lid on official inflation and other stats to game its way into the Euro and then offload some of their problems onto neighbors?	Sep 08 23:05
MinceR	i doubt they're trying to get into the eurozone	Sep 08 23:05
MinceR	if they are, they're doing it badly	Sep 08 23:05
MinceR	then again, there's little they aren't doing badly	Sep 08 23:06
DaemonFC	http://www.zdnet.com/article/september-2015-patch-tuesday/	Sep 08 23:07
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.zdnet.com \| Microsoft fixes five critical flaws, including two hitting all versions of Windows \| ZDNet [ http://ur1.ca/npx8c ]		Sep 08 23:07
DaemonFC	http://news.softpedia.com/news/microsoft-releases-new-cumulative-update-for-windows-10-491231.shtml	Sep 08 23:10
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-news.softpedia.com \| Microsoft Releases New Cumulative Update for Windows 10 - Softpedia [ http://ur1.ca/npx9i ]		Sep 08 23:10
DaemonFC	No changelog = coverup for true number of bugs.	Sep 08 23:11
MinceR	business as usual	Sep 08 23:12
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Is it Time for the Linux Foundation to be	Sep 09 00:06
TweetTuxMachines	Renamed? http://t.co/pO0ze65m7O	Sep 09 00:06
TweetTuxMachines	(www.tuxmachines.org)	Sep 09 00:06
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org \| Is it Time for the Linux Foundation to be Renamed? \| Tux Machines		Sep 09 00:06
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/npxxb	Sep 09 00:06
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Ubuntu 15.10 (Wily Werewolf) Is Now Officially	Sep 09 00:06
TweetTuxMachines	Powered by Linux Kernel 4.2	Sep 09 00:06
TweetTuxMachines	http://t.co/9cNqIn59sd (www.tuxmachines.org)	Sep 09 00:06
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/npxxg	Sep 09 00:06
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Why Use Docker On A Dedicated Server?	Sep 09 00:44
TweetTuxMachines	http://t.co/htp41haI6R (www.tuxmachines.org)	Sep 09 00:44
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/npyda	Sep 09 00:44
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Waha Linux 8.2 Brings the Latest Debian 8.2	Sep 09 00:44
TweetTuxMachines	GNU/Linux OS to the Arab Community	Sep 09 00:44
TweetTuxMachines	http://t.co/KZYHgcx1mg (www.tuxmachines.org)	Sep 09 00:44
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/npydc	Sep 09 00:44
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines 4MLinux 13.1 Has Been Officially Released with	Sep 09 00:44
TweetTuxMachines	Linux Kernel 3.18 LTS http://t.co/XqquvrnS52	Sep 09 00:44
TweetTuxMachines	(www.tuxmachines.org)	Sep 09 00:44
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org \| 4MLinux 13.1 Has Been Officially Released with Linux Kernel 3.18 LTS \| Tux Machines		Sep 09 00:44
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Has Windows 10 Killed Linux On The Desktop?	Sep 09 03:45
TweetTuxMachines	http://t.co/a139YKC0ZA (www.tuxmachines.org)	Sep 09 03:45
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/nq0ha	Sep 09 03:45
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org \| Has Windows 10 Killed Linux On The Desktop? \| Tux Machines		Sep 09 03:45
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines “government spy agencies with reproducible	Sep 09 03:45
TweetTuxMachines	builds that aim to stop hidden backdoors.”	Sep 09 03:45
TweetTuxMachines	http://t.co/294LXXr7og (www.itworld.com)	Sep 09 03:45
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/nq0hc	Sep 09 03:45
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.itworld.com \| Debian Linux versus the CIA \| ITworld		Sep 09 03:45
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Linux Top 3: Robolinux 8.1, Linux Lite 2.6 and	Sep 09 03:46
TweetTuxMachines	RHEL 7.2 Beta	Sep 09 03:46
TweetTuxMachines	http://t.co/OHv78xEvbf (www.linuxplanet.com)	Sep 09 03:46
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.linuxplanet.com \| Linux Top 3: Robolinux 8.1, Linux Lite 2.6 and RHEL 7.2 Beta		Sep 09 03:46
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Today in Techrights http://t.co/4lYRm1Bl6E	Sep 09 03:54
TweetTuxMachines	retweeted by (www.tuxmachines.org)	Sep 09 03:54
TweetTuxMachines	@schestowitz	Sep 09 03:54
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/nq0j4	Sep 09 03:54
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org \| Today in Techrights \| Tux Machines		Sep 09 03:54
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Saints Row: The Third Also Looks Like It's	Sep 09 04:07
TweetTuxMachines	Coming To Linux http://t.co/GciheKZywT	Sep 09 04:07
TweetTuxMachines	(www.gamingonlinux.com)	Sep 09 04:07
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/nq0rt	Sep 09 04:07
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.gamingonlinux.com \| Saints Row: The Third Also Looks Like It's Coming To Linux \| GamingOnLinux		Sep 09 04:07
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msb__	Back when I was writing C for PCDOS, I could express hex constants as 0xnn. But now that doesn't work and I have to use \xnn. Did the language change?	Sep 09 04:37
cubexyz	0xnn does work	Sep 09 04:51
cubexyz	I can cite you numerous examples :)	Sep 09 04:51
cubexyz	http://www.maxhost.org/other/hex-example.c	Sep 09 04:58
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Apple's iPhone loses top spot to Android in	Sep 09 05:03
TweetTuxMachines	Australia http://t.co/CmHzHdOj1e	Sep 09 05:03
TweetTuxMachines	(www.smh.com.au)	Sep 09 05:03
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/nq1ez	Sep 09 05:03
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.smh.com.au \| Apple's iPhone loses top spot to Android in Australia		Sep 09 05:03
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines The Moto 360 and Android Wear are coming to	Sep 09 05:03
TweetTuxMachines	China http://t.co/UMzwfEbNJt (www.theverge.com)	Sep 09 05:03
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/nq1f0	Sep 09 05:03
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.theverge.com \| The Moto 360 and Android Wear are coming to China \| The Verge		Sep 09 05:03
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines How I use Android: Falcon Pro and Twitter	Sep 09 05:03
TweetTuxMachines	developer Joaquim Vergès http://t.co/NhsR3hECEk	Sep 09 05:03
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.computerworld.com \| How I use Android: Falcon Pro and Twitter developer Joaquim Vergès \| Computerworld		Sep 09 05:03
TweetTuxMachines	(www.computerworld.com)	Sep 09 05:03
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/nq1f1	Sep 09 05:03
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines VirtualBox 5.0.4 Brings Fixes for Linux Kernel	Sep 09 05:21
TweetTuxMachines	4.2 and Window Managers http://t.co/T1dVMVlHw5	Sep 09 05:21
TweetTuxMachines	(news.softpedia.com) http://t.co/w8JtSdXxL8	Sep 09 05:21
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-news.softpedia.com \| VirtualBox 5.0.4 Brings Fixes for Linux Kernel 4.2 and Window Managers - Softpedia		Sep 09 05:21
TweetTuxMachines	(betanews.com)	Sep 09 05:21
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-betanews.com \| VirtualBox squashes bugs, adds new guest resolution to pre-defined menu		Sep 09 05:21
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/nq1mj	Sep 09 05:21
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Frozen Synapse And The Red DLC Now On GOG For	Sep 09 05:21
TweetTuxMachines	Linux & On Sale http://t.co/X5dTv45VFg	Sep 09 05:21
TweetTuxMachines	(www.gamingonlinux.com)	Sep 09 05:21
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.gamingonlinux.com \| Frozen Synapse And The Red DLC Now On GOG For Linux & On Sale \| GamingOnLinux		Sep 09 05:21
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/nq1mk	Sep 09 05:21
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Last Chance to Get the Torchlight II Action RPG	Sep 09 05:22
TweetTuxMachines	with a 75% Discount	Sep 09 05:22
TweetTuxMachines	http://t.co/p7dxViVvXY (linux.softpedia.com)	Sep 09 05:22
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/nq1ml	Sep 09 05:22
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-linux.softpedia.com \| Last Chance to Get the Torchlight II Action RPG with a 75% Discount - Softpedia		Sep 09 05:22
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Plasma 5.4.1 Bugfix Release for September	Sep 09 05:42
TweetTuxMachines	https://t.co/K9UWqqPIhG (dot.kde.org)	Sep 09 05:42
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/nq1v7	Sep 09 05:42
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-dot.kde.org \| Plasma 5.4.1 Bugfix Release for September \| KDE.news		Sep 09 05:42
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines After Ditching Microsoft, the City of Munich Is	Sep 09 05:43
TweetTuxMachines	Now an Open Source Contributor	Sep 09 05:43
TweetTuxMachines	http://t.co/LdBCUrA4jZ (news.softpedia.com)	Sep 09 05:43
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/nq1v9	Sep 09 05:43
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msb__	cubexyz: hello?	Sep 09 05:52
cubexyz	hi	Sep 09 05:53
msb__	pm and I'll show you the code	Sep 09 05:54
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Live photos offer the first real look at the	Sep 09 06:12
TweetTuxMachines	Nokia C1 Android phone	Sep 09 06:12
TweetTuxMachines	http://t.co/kt4rdKjy7g (www.gsmarena.com)	Sep 09 06:12
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/nq27k	Sep 09 06:12
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.gsmarena.com \| Live photos offer the first real look at the Nokia C1Android phone - GSMArena.com news		Sep 09 06:12
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Android M 6.0 'Marshmallow' Preview & Release	Sep 09 06:43
TweetTuxMachines	Date Details: The Latest All-New Features in OS	Sep 09 06:43
TweetTuxMachines	Upgrade http://t.co/QZul8UBPji	Sep 09 06:43
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.latinopost.com \| Android M 6.0 'Marshmallow' Preview & Release Date Details: The Latest All-New Features in OS Upgrade : Tech : Latino Post		Sep 09 06:43
TweetTuxMachines	(www.latinopost.com)	Sep 09 06:43
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/nq2jr	Sep 09 06:43
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Nokia C1 Android Smartphone Images Leaked	Sep 09 06:43
TweetTuxMachines	Alongside Specifications http://t.co/sTXceqKyJ7	Sep 09 06:43
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-gadgets.ndtv.com \| Nokia C1 Android Smartphone Images Leaked Alongside Specifications \| NDTV Gadgets		Sep 09 06:43
TweetTuxMachines	(gadgets.ndtv.com)	Sep 09 06:43
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/nq2jt	Sep 09 06:43
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Would You Buy an Android Tablet If It Only Cost	Sep 09 06:43
TweetTuxMachines	$50? http://t.co/DZcabH4i4k (gizmodo.com)	Sep 09 06:43
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-gizmodo.com \| Would You Buy an Android Tablet If It Only Cost $50?		Sep 09 06:43
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/nq2ju	Sep 09 06:43
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Move Over Lollipop. It’s TIME For Android	Sep 09 06:43
TweetTuxMachines	Marshmallow	Sep 09 06:43
TweetTuxMachines	http://t.co/vkSmc83BDS (www.knowyourmobile.com)	Sep 09 06:43
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/nq2jv	Sep 09 06:43
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Android Lollipop is the OS of choice for one in	Sep 09 10:52
TweetTuxMachines	five users http://t.co/bBDDN28cOZ	Sep 09 10:52
TweetTuxMachines	(www.tuxmachines.org)	Sep 09 10:52
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org \| Android Lollipop is the OS of choice for one in five users \| Tux Machines		Sep 09 10:52
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schestowitz	> http://motherboard.vice.com/read/how-debian-is-trying-to-shut-down-the-cia-and-make-software-trustworthy-again	Sep 09 11:28
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-motherboard.vice.com \| How Debian Is Trying to Shut Down the CIA and Make Software Trustworthy Again \| Motherboard [ http://ur1.ca/npqys ]		Sep 09 11:28
schestowitz	>	Sep 09 11:28
schestowitz	> And with the other hand they add systemd ...	Sep 09 11:28
schestowitz	and depend on Red Hat, which works with the NSA.	Sep 09 11:28
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schestowitz	> https://soylentnews.org/article.pl?sid=15/09/08/1447250	Sep 09 11:38
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schestowitz	>	Sep 09 11:38
schestowitz	> an accidental good side to software patents	Sep 09 11:38
schestowitz	I wrote about the original story this week. This evening I have something coming about EPO...	Sep 09 11:38
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schestowitz	https://twitter.com/SleepyPenguin1/status/641562223245176832	Sep 09 11:43
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@SleepyPenguin1: Microsoft Buys Cloud Computing Security Startup Adallom \| NDTV Gadgets @schestowitz http://t.co/z9lxM2EFpb		Sep 09 11:43
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights--> gadgets.ndtv.com \| Microsoft Buys Cloud Computing Security Startup Adallom \| NDTV Gadgets		Sep 09 11:43
schestowitz	This is old 'news' re-announced	Sep 09 11:43
schestowitz	https://twitter.com/SleepyPenguin1/status/641563787057885184	Sep 09 11:52
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@SleepyPenguin1: @schestowitz Thought so.		Sep 09 11:52
schestowitz	https://twitter.com/MxsQueen/status/641565002646843392	Sep 09 11:53
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@MxsQueen: @schestowitz I thought that was Google's schtick.		Sep 09 11:53
schestowitz	Google does many more things than FB, including Android/OS. Some parts of Google are evil.	Sep 09 11:54
schestowitz	https://twitter.com/jmcest/status/641565071647371264	Sep 09 11:54
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@jmcest: Insecurity By Design. RT @schestowitz #TSA Master Keys https://t.co/WllXNLurzG abuse at so many levels, system for mass control		Sep 09 11:54
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights--> www.schneier.com \| TSA Master Keys - Schneier on Security		Sep 09 11:54
cubexyz	I suggested that people should stop using redhat quite a while ago	Sep 09 12:00
cubexyz	you want traditional Unix, you probably should have at least one openbsd box	Sep 09 12:01
schestowitz	https://twitter.com/pixelrust/status/641566545190232064	Sep 09 12:01
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@pixelrust: @schestowitz best line: the last one (between brackets) #debian #gnu #linux #secuity		Sep 09 12:01
schestowitz	" (lunar@debian sent me a very nice email. Don’t believe all the strawmen I wrote above...) "	Sep 09 12:01
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Mozilla pays it forward http://t.co/Kuy1bjXfoD	Sep 09 12:08
TweetTuxMachines	(www.tuxmachines.org)	Sep 09 12:08
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/nq5sn	Sep 09 12:08
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org \| Mozilla pays it forward \| Tux Machines		Sep 09 12:08
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Ubuntu Snappy Core and Raspberry Pi 2 Powered	Sep 09 12:08
TweetTuxMachines	Mycroft Device Successfully Funded	Sep 09 12:08
TweetTuxMachines	http://t.co/Y0d84DxzmZ (www.tuxmachines.org)	Sep 09 12:08
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/nq5sq	Sep 09 12:08
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org \| Ubuntu Snappy Core and Raspberry Pi 2 Powered Mycroft Device Successfully Funded \| Tux Machines		Sep 09 12:08
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines systemd 226 Adds New Features to the DHCP	Sep 09 12:08
TweetTuxMachines	Implementation of networkd, More	Sep 09 12:08
TweetTuxMachines	http://t.co/77R9YROhDH (www.tuxmachines.org)	Sep 09 12:08
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/nq5st	Sep 09 12:08
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org \| systemd 226 Adds New Features to the DHCP Implementation of networkd, More \| Tux Machines		Sep 09 12:08
schestowitz	https://joindiaspora.com/posts/6571751	Sep 09 12:09
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: Support #adblock to demolish a ruthless #surveillance industry http://thenextweb.com/insider/2015/09/08/adblock-plus-officially-lands-on-android-and-ios-today/		Sep 09 12:09
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights--> thenextweb.com \| Adblock Plus officially lands on Android and iOS today [ http://ur1.ca/nq5t6 ]		Sep 09 12:09
schestowitz	"Adblock has a “whitelist” of ads it allows through, they have to make their money somewhere. They will not demolish ads but hold them to ransom."	Sep 09 12:09
schestowitz	Even better, some of them deserve that	Sep 09 12:09
schestowitz	it also helps fund development of adblock	Sep 09 12:09
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Human Interface Guidelines (HIG) for the Unix	Sep 09 12:22
TweetTuxMachines	shell http://t.co/KO12hqXthe	Sep 09 12:22
TweetTuxMachines	(www.tuxmachines.org)	Sep 09 12:22
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org \| Human Interface Guidelines (HIG) for the Unix shell \| Tux Machines		Sep 09 12:22
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/nq5y8	Sep 09 12:22
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines SystemRescueCd 4.6.0 Is Out with Xfce 4.12,	Sep 09 12:22
TweetTuxMachines	Linux Kernel 4.1.6 LTS, and GParted 0.23.0	Sep 09 12:22
TweetTuxMachines	http://t.co/Nx632O4Eo9 (www.tuxmachines.org)	Sep 09 12:22
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/nq5ya	Sep 09 12:22
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org \| SystemRescueCd 4.6.0 Is Out with Xfce 4.12, Linux Kernel 4.1.6 LTS, and GParted 0.23.0 \| Tux Machines		Sep 09 12:22
TweetTuxMachines	@AndroidOrgAu Android Australia Daily News is out!	Sep 09 12:22
TweetTuxMachines	http://t.co/9idqaAFaTd (paper.li) Stories via	Sep 09 12:22
TweetTuxMachines	@Ausdroid @tuxmachines	Sep 09 12:22
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-paper.li \| Android Australia Daily News		Sep 09 12:22
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/nq5yb	Sep 09 12:22
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Ubuntu 15.10 (Wily Werewolf) Is Now Officially	Sep 09 12:26
TweetTuxMachines	Powered by Linux Kernel 4.2	Sep 09 12:26
TweetTuxMachines	http://t.co/zFZebYzlTk (news.softpedia.com)	Sep 09 12:26
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-news.softpedia.com \| Ubuntu 15.10 (Wily Werewolf) Is Now Officially Powered by Linux Kernel 4.2 - Softpedia		Sep 09 12:26
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/nq60m	Sep 09 12:26
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines systemd 226 Adds New Features to the DHCP	Sep 09 12:26
TweetTuxMachines	Implementation of networkd, More	Sep 09 12:26
TweetTuxMachines	http://t.co/3tYIEmIswc (news.softpedia.com)	Sep 09 12:26
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-news.softpedia.com \| systemd 226 Adds New Features to the DHCP Implementation of networkd, More - Softpedia		Sep 09 12:26
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/nq60n	Sep 09 12:26
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Why Use Docker On A Dedicated Server?	Sep 09 12:26
TweetTuxMachines	http://t.co/HUJ8paYvit	Sep 09 12:26
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.everydaylinuxuser.com \| Why Use Docker On A Dedicated Server? « Everyday Linux User		Sep 09 12:26
TweetTuxMachines	(www.everydaylinuxuser.com)	Sep 09 12:26
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/nq60o	Sep 09 12:26
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines 4MLinux 13.1 Has Been Officially Released with	Sep 09 12:26
TweetTuxMachines	Linux Kernel 3.18 LTS http://t.co/rB9ZCNUCh4	Sep 09 12:26
TweetTuxMachines	(linux.softpedia.com)	Sep 09 12:26
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/nq60p	Sep 09 12:26
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-linux.softpedia.com \| 4MLinux 13.1 Has Been Officially Released with Linux Kernel 3.18 LTS - Softpedia		Sep 09 12:26
*TweetTuxMachines @techmuser favourited '4MLinux 13.1 Has Been Officially Released with Linux...'		Sep 09 12:28
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Has Windows 10 Killed Linux On The Desktop?	Sep 09 12:28
TweetTuxMachines	http://t.co/akHSf2hCSp	Sep 09 12:28
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.everydaylinuxuser.com \| Has Windows 10 Killed Linux On The Desktop? « Everyday Linux User		Sep 09 12:28
TweetTuxMachines	(www.everydaylinuxuser.com) no, it probably	Sep 09 12:28
TweetTuxMachines	accelerated its adoption	Sep 09 12:28
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/nq61z	Sep 09 12:28
schestowitz	https://twitter.com/alexanderhanff/status/641574400924491776	Sep 09 12:31
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@alexanderhanff: @schestowitz I wouldn't really call an OS which has an enforced dominent market share a consumer choice would you?		Sep 09 12:31
schestowitz	the word "choice" was wrong here, I thought that too when I relayed	Sep 09 12:31
schestowitz	https://twitter.com/RamiSilawi/status/641574802956750849	Sep 09 12:33
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@RamiSilawi: @schestowitz check this out :) https://t.co/b7tUNXweml		Sep 09 12:33
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@RamiSilawi: Hasta la #vista10 , baby: Welcome #Linux ! Used the New Socially Awkward #Penguin my way :) http://t.co/OcawcmgNWA		Sep 09 12:33
schestowitz	Getty are after you for copyright royalties ;-)	Sep 09 12:33
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Waha Linux 8.2 Brings the Latest Debian 8.2	Sep 09 12:36
TweetTuxMachines	GNU/Linux OS to the Arab Community	Sep 09 12:36
TweetTuxMachines	http://t.co/jz3cSSRs5F (news.softpedia.com)	Sep 09 12:36
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/nq65n	Sep 09 12:36
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-news.softpedia.com \| Waha Linux 8.2 Brings the Latest Debian 8.2 GNU/Linux OS to the Arab Community - Softpedia		Sep 09 12:36
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Android Lollipop is the OS of choice for one in	Sep 09 12:36
TweetTuxMachines	five users http://t.co/FeFlG0RtON	Sep 09 12:36
TweetTuxMachines	(www.engadget.com)	Sep 09 12:36
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.engadget.com \| Android Lollipop is the OS of choice for one in five users		Sep 09 12:36
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/nq65o	Sep 09 12:36
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Ubuntu Snappy Core and Raspberry Pi 2 Powered	Sep 09 12:37
TweetTuxMachines	Mycroft Device Successfully Funded	Sep 09 12:37
TweetTuxMachines	http://t.co/a7VuMa0QGM (news.softpedia.com)	Sep 09 12:37
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/nq65p	Sep 09 12:37
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-news.softpedia.com \| Ubuntu Snappy Core and Raspberry Pi 2 Powered Mycroft Device Successfully Funded - Softpedia		Sep 09 12:37
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Human Interface Guidelines (HIG) for the Unix	Sep 09 12:40
TweetTuxMachines	shell http://t.co/jGYx11gEJD (opensource.com)	Sep 09 12:40
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/nq67h	Sep 09 12:40
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-opensource.com \| All Things Open, interview with Klaatu on HIG \| Opensource.com		Sep 09 12:40
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines SystemRescueCd 4.6.0 Is Out with Xfce 4.12,	Sep 09 12:40
TweetTuxMachines	Linux Kernel 4.1.6 LTS, and GParted 0.23.0	Sep 09 12:40
TweetTuxMachines	http://t.co/b7g6yipoGz (linux.softpedia.com)	Sep 09 12:40
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-linux.softpedia.com \| SystemRescueCd 4.6.0 Is Out with Xfce 4.12, Linux Kernel 4.1.6 LTS, and GParted 0.23.0 - Softpedia		Sep 09 12:40
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/nq67i	Sep 09 12:40
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Linux and Python education for students in	Sep 09 12:40
TweetTuxMachines	Israel http://t.co/OZmFMJcMSY (opensource.com)	Sep 09 12:40
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/nq67j	Sep 09 12:40
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-opensource.com \| ROSE project teaches open source to students in Israel \| Opensource.com		Sep 09 12:40
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Red Hat to boost APAC enterprises with its	Sep 09 12:48
TweetTuxMachines	fifth annual forum http://t.co/mi0XeNwZRb	Sep 09 12:48
TweetTuxMachines	(www.channelworld.in)	Sep 09 12:48
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/nq6b4	Sep 09 12:49
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.channelworld.in \| Red Hat to boost APAC enterprises with its fifth annual forum \| News \| ChannelWorld.in		Sep 09 12:49
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Ubuntu Wily gaggle builds 15.10 beta beachhead	Sep 09 12:49
TweetTuxMachines	http://t.co/AAy3vwkoMN (www.theregister.co.uk)	Sep 09 12:49
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.theregister.co.uk \| Ubuntu Wily gaggle builds 15.10 beta beachhead • The Register		Sep 09 12:49
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/nq6b5	Sep 09 12:49
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines MATE Interface for Linux Systems Remains Alive	Sep 09 12:49
TweetTuxMachines	and Growing http://t.co/rifZr62HNe	Sep 09 12:49
TweetTuxMachines	(thevarguy.com)	Sep 09 12:49
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-thevarguy.com \| MATE Interface for Linux Systems Remains Alive and Growing \| Open Source Application Software Companies content from The VAR Guy		Sep 09 12:49
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/nq6b6	Sep 09 12:49
schestowitz	http://www.pressgazette.co.uk/6000-drop-number-uk-journalists-over-two-years-18000-more-prs-labour-force-survey-shows	Sep 09 12:56
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.pressgazette.co.uk \| 6,000 drop in number of UK journalists over two years - but 18,000 more PRs, Labour Force Survey shows \| Press Gazette [ http://ur1.ca/nq6fm ]		Sep 09 12:56
schestowitz	And a lot of people who call themselves "journalists" are stenographers of gov. and/or corporations, without sense of shame	Sep 09 12:57
schestowitz	https://twitter.com/glynmoody/status/641582867945009152	Sep 09 13:07
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@glynmoody: @schestowitz indeed, and increasingly so, alas....		Sep 09 13:07
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schestowitz	https://twitter.com/RootUsers_/status/641583429276950528	Sep 09 13:18
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@RootUsers_: @schestowitz Agreed, have moved a few desktops over to Linux since Windows 10 privacy issues.		Sep 09 13:18
schestowitz	Looking at nations other than Five Eyes 'members', there is a big motion away from Windows (Vista 10) and to Free software	Sep 09 13:18
schestowitz	https://twitter.com/agente_smithe/status/641583777601482752	Sep 09 13:19
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@agente_smithe: @schestowitz systemd is RH pulling a M$ on the GNU/Linux ecosystem.		Sep 09 13:19
schestowitz	I wouldn't go as far as that....	Sep 09 13:19
schestowitz	https://twitter.com/agente_smithe/status/641584099170365440	Sep 09 13:19
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@agente_smithe: @schestowitz I m concerned with FB running tv ads promoting internet. And, by the end, internet by facebook. WTF ???		Sep 09 13:19
schestowitz	Facebook is very evil.	Sep 09 13:20
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Canonical Video Showcases Scopes Interface	Sep 09 13:31
TweetTuxMachines	Feature for Ubuntu Phones	Sep 09 13:31
TweetTuxMachines	http://t.co/yOg1IMO2wI (thevarguy.com)	Sep 09 13:31
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-thevarguy.com \| Canonical Video Showcases Scopes Interface Feature for Ubuntu Phones \| Open Source Application Software Companies content from The VAR Guy		Sep 09 13:31
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/nq6vy	Sep 09 13:31
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines The Best Way to Backup Ubuntu Software	Sep 09 13:31
TweetTuxMachines	http://t.co/SSkCnRDRf7 (www.datamation.com)	Sep 09 13:31
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/nq6vz	Sep 09 13:31
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.datamation.com \| The Best Way to Backup Ubuntu Software - Datamation		Sep 09 13:31
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Ubuntu-Based Ultimate Edition 4.6 Gamers Distro	Sep 09 13:31
TweetTuxMachines	Is the Ultimate Entertainment System	Sep 09 13:31
TweetTuxMachines	http://t.co/RbrW4tFYNV (news.softpedia.com)	Sep 09 13:31
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-news.softpedia.com \| Ubuntu-Based Ultimate Edition 4.6 Gamers Distro Is the Ultimate Entertainment System - Softpedia		Sep 09 13:31
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/nq6w1	Sep 09 13:31
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines MATE Interface for Linux Systems Remains Alive	Sep 09 13:32
TweetTuxMachines	and Growing http://t.co/atUiAFUtwP	Sep 09 13:32
TweetTuxMachines	(www.tuxmachines.org)	Sep 09 13:32
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org \| MATE Interface for Linux Systems Remains Alive and Growing \| Tux Machines		Sep 09 13:32
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/nq6w3	Sep 09 13:32
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Canonical Video Showcases Scopes Interface	Sep 09 13:32
TweetTuxMachines	Feature for Ubuntu Phones	Sep 09 13:32
TweetTuxMachines	http://t.co/hTSWphquCc (www.tuxmachines.org)	Sep 09 13:32
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/nq6w5	Sep 09 13:32
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org \| Canonical Video Showcases Scopes Interface Feature for Ubuntu Phones \| Tux Machines		Sep 09 13:32
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Android Influencer: Helen Li, the woman behind	Sep 09 13:32
TweetTuxMachines	OnePlus’s Oxygen OS http://t.co/NutbthpoRT	Sep 09 13:32
TweetTuxMachines	(www.tuxmachines.org)	Sep 09 13:32
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org \| Android Influencer: Helen Li, the woman behind OnePlus’s Oxygen OS \| Tux Machines		Sep 09 13:32
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/nq6w6	Sep 09 13:32
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines The Best Way to Backup Ubuntu Software	Sep 09 14:05
TweetTuxMachines	http://t.co/7CHGobQ9TK (www.tuxmachines.org)	Sep 09 14:05
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/nq7ar	Sep 09 14:05
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org \| The Best Way to Backup Ubuntu Software \| Tux Machines		Sep 09 14:05
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Ubuntu-Based Ultimate Edition 4.6 Gamers Distro	Sep 09 14:05
TweetTuxMachines	Is the Ultimate Entertainment System	Sep 09 14:05
TweetTuxMachines	http://t.co/UOF2eHBNu0 (www.tuxmachines.org)	Sep 09 14:05
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/nq7at	Sep 09 14:05
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org \| Ubuntu-Based Ultimate Edition 4.6 Gamers Distro Is the Ultimate Entertainment System \| Tux Machines		Sep 09 14:05
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Linux Missing Apps Is No Longer a Reason Not to	Sep 09 14:05
TweetTuxMachines	Dump Windows http://t.co/qW3N6jsE00	Sep 09 14:05
TweetTuxMachines	(news.softpedia.com)	Sep 09 14:05
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-news.softpedia.com \| Linux Missing Apps Is No Longer a Reason Not to Dump Windows - Softpedia		Sep 09 14:05
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/nq7av	Sep 09 14:05
*TweetTuxMachines @HYPRBrands favourited 'Android Influencer: Helen Li, the woman behind OnePlus’s...'		Sep 09 14:12
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Samba 4.3.0 Arrives with Support for Apple's	Sep 09 14:12
TweetTuxMachines	Spotlight, Logging Improvements	Sep 09 14:12
TweetTuxMachines	http://t.co/ympXJI4zmR (news.softpedia.com)	Sep 09 14:12
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/nq7ds	Sep 09 14:12
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-news.softpedia.com \| Samba 4.3.0 Arrives with Support for Apple's Spotlight, Logging Improvements - Softpedia		Sep 09 14:12
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schestowitz	https://twitter.com/jamiedpainter/status/641607906501206016	Sep 09 14:45
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@jamiedpainter: @schestowitz I'm curious where payment anonymity exists outside of cash transactions?		Sep 09 14:45
schestowitz	It';s 's tricky to find in the digital world	Sep 09 14:45
schestowitz	It's tricky to find in the digital world	Sep 09 14:45
schestowitz	https://twitter.com/HelwaniNose/status/641608864195022848	Sep 09 14:50
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@HelwaniNose: @schestowitz ever find out why plasma wont do multi-wallpapers/widget on virtual desktops? its loved feature (morethan activities) WONT fix		Sep 09 14:50
schestowitz	I'm not happy with Plasma5 and I'm hoping for a fix, maybe some time by the end of next year	Sep 09 14:50
schestowitz	https://twitter.com/HelwaniNose/status/641609226503254016	Sep 09 14:51
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@HelwaniNose: @schestowitz https://t.co/fAnu03zOR8		Sep 09 14:51
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights--> bugs.kde.org \| Bug 343246 – plasma 5 doesn't allow different wallpapers and widgets for each virtual desktop		Sep 09 14:51
schestowitz	I'd go back to KDE3 or Plasma 4 if it was easy (it's not anymore)	Sep 09 14:51
cubexyz	I'm running kde 3.5.10 and trinity	Sep 09 14:57
cubexyz	although on the openbsd box I'm using icewm and parts of xfce4	Sep 09 14:57
cubexyz	for that matter you can run kde 1 stuff	Sep 09 14:58
cubexyz	there's no difficulty at all	Sep 09 14:58
cubexyz	now writing kde 1 stuff might be a bit hard, but just using existing kde 1 stuff is not	Sep 09 14:59
cubexyz	I'll prove it	Sep 09 15:04
cubexyz	http://www.maxhost.org/other/openbsd-krubik-kde1.png	Sep 09 15:04
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Android Influencer: Helen Li, the woman behind	Sep 09 15:04
TweetTuxMachines	OnePlus’s Oxygen OS http://t.co/MWlOc7T0xX	Sep 09 15:04
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.greenbot.com \| Android Influencer: Helen Li, the woman behind OnePlus’s Oxygen OS \| Greenbot		Sep 09 15:04
TweetTuxMachines	(www.greenbot.com)	Sep 09 15:04
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/nq80k	Sep 09 15:04
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Looking Ahead to New Linux/FOSS Promotional	Sep 09 15:04
TweetTuxMachines	Events http://t.co/Uu0KPifiiS (fossforce.com)	Sep 09 15:04
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-fossforce.com \| Looking Ahead to New Linux/FOSS Promotional Events \| FOSS Force		Sep 09 15:04
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/nq80l	Sep 09 15:04
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines "first secrets file ever created with #KSecret	Sep 09 15:05
TweetTuxMachines	Service, and it happened here, in Randa."	Sep 09 15:05
TweetTuxMachines	https://t.co/1FGj7vOI7P (error)	Sep 09 15:05
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/nq80m	Sep 09 15:05
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-barlog.rusu.info \| KSecret Service just created its first secrets file \| Valentin Rusu		Sep 09 15:05
cubexyz	Eendebak told me he disliked KDE 2 so he stopped writing KDE programs	Sep 09 15:05
msb__	Extremely informative interview of Julian Assange regarding secret US plans to overthrow Assad years ago, how the US Empire works, multi-pronged attacks on nations it wants to influence or destroy, etc. -- https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W3HWiydFlJc	Sep 09 15:06
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.youtube.com \| Assange on 'US Empire', Assad govt overthrow plans & new book 'The WikiLeaks Files' (EXCLUSIVE) - YouTube [ http://ur1.ca/nq81d ]		Sep 09 15:06
MinceR	http://www.marietjeschaake.eu/2015/09/how-russia-uses-the-internet-for-surveillance-and-propaganda/	Sep 09 15:09
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.marietjeschaake.eu \| The Red Web: How Russia uses the internet for surveillance and propaganda [ http://ur1.ca/nq832 ]		Sep 09 15:09
cubexyz	you can even have one machine running trinity, or KDE whatever version and use compressed X11 forwarding via ssh to run on just about anything with X running on it	Sep 09 15:10
schestowitz	https://joindiaspora.com/posts/6572824	Sep 09 15:10
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: #microsoft #vista10 'damage control' http://www.zdnet.com/article/september-2015-patch-tuesday/ http://news.softpedia.com/news/microsoft-releases-new-cumulative-update-for-windows-10-491231.shtml Ryan (ex-MS MVP): "No changelog = coverup for true number of bugs."		Sep 09 15:10
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights--> www.zdnet.com \| Microsoft fixes five critical flaws, including two hitting all versions of Windows \| ZDNet [ http://ur1.ca/npx8c ]		Sep 09 15:10
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights--> news.softpedia.com \| Microsoft Releases New Cumulative Update for Windows 10 - Updated - Softpedia [ http://ur1.ca/npx9i ]		Sep 09 15:10
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cubexyz	with xmove you can even move an application to a different Xserver	Sep 09 15:14
cubexyz	there used to be a program called Guievict which was a bit more elaborate than xmove	Sep 09 15:16
cubexyz	don't think it's maintained any more though	Sep 09 15:16
cubexyz	xpra is the modern equivalent	Sep 09 15:17
msb__	So let's see... MinceR is telling us not to view the Assange interview because Russia broadcasts "propaganda" -- i.e., its view of things -- over the Net?	Sep 09 15:17
cubexyz	http://xpra.org	Sep 09 15:17
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-xpra.org \| xpra - screen for X		Sep 09 15:17
MinceR	msb__ is lying, as usual	Sep 09 15:18
MinceR	http://www.independent.co.uk/life-style/health-and-families/health-news/homeopathy-conference-ends-in-chaos-after-delegates-take-hallucinogenic-drug-10491114.html	Sep 09 15:18
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.independent.co.uk \| Homeopathy conference ends in chaos after delegates take hallucinogenic drug - Health News - Health & Families - The Independent [ http://ur1.ca/npu2t ]		Sep 09 15:18
msb__	Does MinceR want us to think that Assange is a Russian agent? Does MinceR not want us to be aware of US subversion and destruction of many nations around the world, which Assange is talking about?	Sep 09 15:19
MinceR	when will msb__ run out of straw men?	Sep 09 15:19
msb__	Why did MinceR post his non-informative article about Russia and the Net immediately after I posted the video of Assange? Does his CIA handler give him a list of these things to be posted at convenient times?	Sep 09 15:21
MinceR	why does msb__ get so outraged for every bit of dissent?	Sep 09 15:23
msb__	I'm not outraged at all, just asking questions about MinceR's peculiar behavior.	Sep 09 15:25
MinceR	the Thought Police does not tolerate any attitude towards the russian empire other than unconditional love and worship	Sep 09 15:25
msb__	What does Russia publishing opinion on the Net have to do with Julian Assange?	Sep 09 15:26
MinceR	similarly to how the Thought Police does not tolerate any attitude towards systemd other than unconditional love and worship	Sep 09 15:26
msb__	What does Russia publishing opinion on the Net have to do with Julian Assange?	Sep 09 15:26
MinceR	who said it did?	Sep 09 15:26
msb__	Why did you post the article about it immediately after I posted the one about Assange?	Sep 09 15:27
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines We're Still Waiting To See If KDBUS Will Come	Sep 09 15:27
TweetTuxMachines	For Linux 4.3 http://t.co/1FpSbUQe6K	Sep 09 15:27
TweetTuxMachines	(www.phoronix.com)	Sep 09 15:27
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.phoronix.com \| We're Still Waiting To See If KDBUS Will Come For Linux 4.3 - Phoronix		Sep 09 15:27
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/nq8ap	Sep 09 15:27
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Xen Has A Few Additions For Linux 4.3	Sep 09 15:27
TweetTuxMachines	http://t.co/8SRhkQt4ji (www.phoronix.com)	Sep 09 15:27
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/nq8ar	Sep 09 15:27
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.phoronix.com \| Xen Has A Few Additions For Linux 4.3 - Phoronix		Sep 09 15:27
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Epiphany 3.17.91 Released, Blocks Ads By	Sep 09 15:27
TweetTuxMachines	Default http://t.co/rEmfm1M2Hq	Sep 09 15:27
TweetTuxMachines	(www.phoronix.com)	Sep 09 15:27
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.phoronix.com \| Epiphany 3.17.91 Released, Blocks Ads By Default - Phoronix		Sep 09 15:27
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/nq8as	Sep 09 15:27
MinceR	why does msb__ pretend that one was solely about Assange?	Sep 09 15:28
msb__	MinceR: That what was solely about Assange?	Sep 09 15:28
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Secure Boot — Fedora, RHEL, and Shim Upstream	Sep 09 15:32
TweetTuxMachines	Maintenance: Government Involvement or Lack	Sep 09 15:32
TweetTuxMachines	Thereof http://t.co/5kK14ZhGrs	Sep 09 15:32
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-blog.uncooperative.org \| Secure Boot — Fedora, RHEL, and Shim Upstream Maintenance: Government Involvement or Lack Thereof - The Uncoöperative Organization		Sep 09 15:32
TweetTuxMachines	(blog.uncooperative.org) posted regularly	Sep 09 15:32
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Hands-on: Installing openSuSE Tumbleweed on my	Sep 09 15:32
TweetTuxMachines	new Acer Aspire V3-331	Sep 09 15:32
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Hands-on: Installing openSuSE Tumbleweed on my	Sep 09 15:33
TweetTuxMachines	new Acer Aspire V3-331	Sep 09 15:33
TweetTuxMachines	http://t.co/Ipn4TM8Pxg (www.zdnet.com)	Sep 09 15:33
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.zdnet.com \| Hands-on: Installing openSuSE Tumbleweed on my new Acer Aspire V3-331 \| ZDNet		Sep 09 15:33
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cubexyz	a pity X11 forwarding doesn't work very well for firefox/iceweasel	Sep 09 15:35
schestowitz	https://twitter.com/dudumimran/status/641620069001261056	Sep 09 15:35
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@dudumimran: @schestowitz Morphisec prevents zero-days as written in the story - nothing to do with backdoors nor the headline title so why liars?		Sep 09 15:35
cubexyz	it worked a lot better on the old icecat	Sep 09 15:35
schestowitz	The OS itself cannot be made secure, as its code is secret (proprietary) and known to have back doors. Target OSS instead.	Sep 09 15:36
msb__	cubexyz: Why? Too much data from firefox?	Sep 09 15:36
cubexyz	well part of the problem is the R30 is just too slow for it and it's the R30 that is running q4os	Sep 09 15:37
cubexyz	not sure exactly why it's so slow	Sep 09 15:38
cubexyz	the motif programs all run very fast via X11 forwarding	Sep 09 15:38
msb__	I've been having trouble lately running firefox on one machine. When it's supposed to show a new page, it doesn't, until I hover the pointer over the circle-X gadget at the right of the url-bar. I think it upgraded recently.	Sep 09 15:39
msb__	What's an R30?	Sep 09 15:39
cubexyz	Thinkpad R30, it's a 1 ghz P3	Sep 09 15:39
msb__	Sounded like the designation of a British airship, as in "The R30 disaster".	Sep 09 15:40
msb__	Did your firefox update recently?	Sep 09 15:41
msb__	Mine is version 40.0.3	Sep 09 15:41
cubexyz	I'm running multiple versions	Sep 09 15:41
cubexyz	firefox 16 is the one I use the most	Sep 09 15:42
msb__	And it's slow with X11 forwarding?	Sep 09 15:42
cubexyz	Mozilla Iceweasel 38.2.1 is slow	Sep 09 15:43
schestowitz	https://twitter.com/freedomgirl2011/status/641622286525726721	Sep 09 15:43
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@freedomgirl2011: @schestowitz HackRead has the answers and directions to enable		Sep 09 15:43
cubexyz	let me try firefox 16 with X11 forwarding	Sep 09 15:43
schestowitz	https://twitter.com/dudumimran/status/641622862466453504	Sep 09 15:43
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@dudumimran: @schestowitz Morphisec protects against zero-days and other exploits. Far from a secure OS which was an interpretation of the Techworm.		Sep 09 15:43
cubexyz	haven't tried that	Sep 09 15:43
msb__	Do you have a graphical system monitor running on the R30 that shows if the CPU is saturated?	Sep 09 15:43
schestowitz	better to use a secure OS, not back doored kludge with a sense of security on top of it	Sep 09 15:43
msb__	I find that very helpful. I'm using the KDE4 system monitor.	Sep 09 15:44
cubexyz	actually I'm running firefox 16 on the openbsd box and it's not bad at all speed-wise	Sep 09 15:45
cubexyz	except it doesn't let me run it on both machines at the same time	Sep 09 15:45
msb__	I always keep it running. If the system slows down and the cpu graph is humpy, I know to kill and restart firefox.	Sep 09 15:45
schestowitz	https://twitter.com/dudumimran/status/641622991650996225	Sep 09 15:45
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@dudumimran: @schestowitz the fact one does not have control on media interpretations does not make one a liar.		Sep 09 15:45
schestowitz	Maybe best to speak to the media then	Sep 09 15:45
schestowitz	The article promoted the ludicrous notion of 'secure' Windows	Sep 09 15:46
schestowitz	https://twitter.com/dudumimran/status/641623551225655296	Sep 09 15:46
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@dudumimran: @schestowitz Personally I agree but as you know proprietary OSes are widely used and their need for protection can not be ignored. Reality.		Sep 09 15:46
msb__	Sure. US "national security".	Sep 09 15:47
schestowitz	It's possible to secure FOSS, but not secret code in operating systems whose makers are actively colluding with the NSA	Sep 09 15:47
schestowitz	Giving people a false sense of security is worse than none at all	Sep 09 15:47
schestowitz	msb__: yeah	Sep 09 15:48
cubexyz	http://www.maxhost.org/other/openbsd-firefox-16.png	Sep 09 15:49
cubexyz	so it works well, but with the limitation of only running on one machine at a time	Sep 09 15:49
msb__	cubexyz: How do it know?	Sep 09 15:50
schestowitz	https://twitter.com/dudumimran/status/641624256099454976 https://twitter.com/dudumimran/status/641624392934387712	Sep 09 15:50
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@dudumimran: @schestowitz very difficult to control what others say about you, in general I think:) Check out their site http://t.co/ikpTMf1S1v		Sep 09 15:50
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights--> www.morphisec.com \| Morphisec - Polymorphic Cyber Defense		Sep 09 15:50
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@dudumimran: @schestowitz agree but that happens many times with media coverages, nothing new.		Sep 09 15:50
cubexyz	well it knows that the host machine is already running firefox	Sep 09 15:51
msb__	cubexyz: Do you know the thermos bottle joke?	Sep 09 15:51
schestowitz	Credit card leaks in your country demonstrate the high cost of encouraging companies to continue storing them on Windows	Sep 09 15:51
cubexyz	msb__, nope	Sep 09 15:51
schestowitz	https://twitter.com/FrancisJeffrey7/status/641624539781185536	Sep 09 15:52
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@FrancisJeffrey7: @schestowitz For anyone reading, briefly: #snachocracy --> #snitchocracy ? If anything esoteric, please DM that to me.		Sep 09 15:52
msb__	An ethnic man's wife gives him a thermos bottle as a present. He's very happy with it and tells his co-workers, "If I put something hot in it it keeps it hot, and if I put something cold in it, it keeps it cold." They say, "So what?" He replies, "How do it know?"	Sep 09 15:53
schestowitz	https://twitter.com/dudumimran/status/641625551166279680	Sep 09 15:55
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@dudumimran: @schestowitz a general question, do you believe that if everyone worked on Linux the number of attacks were to decline?		Sep 09 15:55
schestowitz	No, but maybe the overall proportion of attacks that are successful would decrease. See CII.	Sep 09 15:56
msb__	I think FOSS becomes more difficult to secure if it's more difficult to understand what's going on inside it, and that happens if engineering principles of simplicity and modularity are violated, which systemd is doing.	Sep 09 15:58
cubexyz	stupid firefox!	Sep 09 15:59
msb__	cubexyz: you're running version 16. That's so last millennium. 8^)	Sep 09 16:00
schestowitz	https://twitter.com/dudumimran/status/641626742759665664	Sep 09 16:00
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@dudumimran: @schestowitz maybe. I used to think that though today I believe motivation supersedes technical difficulties and we agreed that is no 100%		Sep 09 16:00
schestowitz	negligence in patching is an issue, no doubt... but no matter the amount of patching if there are intentional back doors...	Sep 09 16:00
msb__	simplicity, modularity and visibility	Sep 09 16:01
msb__	Firefox has its ups and downs. Months ago it was using up some X resource, which caused the screen to flicker rapidly and then X and the KDE3 session crashed and I was back in kdm. That hasn't happened for a while until I went to one of MinceR's CIA sites, I think yesterday. Blammo!	Sep 09 16:04
msb__	I know it was an X problem because there was a last log entry in the syslog or the x log about X.	Sep 09 16:05
schestowitz	https://twitter.com/dudumimran/status/641627777863585793 https://twitter.com/dudumimran/status/641627925960224768	Sep 09 16:07
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@dudumimran: @schestowitz I don't believe patching can ever cope with exploits. Exploits are inevitable due to sw complexity and dependency on 3rd party		Sep 09 16:07
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@dudumimran: @schestowitz I've written once about it if you've got the patience to read:) http://t.co/6ipocGHrk5 - that topic is my specialty.		Sep 09 16:07
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights--> www.dudumimran.com \| Is It GAME OVER? - Dudu Mimran Blog		Sep 09 16:07
schestowitz	Thanks, will read it later today	Sep 09 16:07
msb__	To take advantage of the current huge Windows 10 disaster, we really need a well-supported non-systemd LInux distro with a huge repo, so people can easily find and install all the software they need.	Sep 09 16:10
msb__	I was sad at being named Bilk until I met a man named Dudu!	Sep 09 16:12
cubexyz	ok... I figured out a work-around	Sep 09 16:12
cubexyz	instead of X11 forwarding from the vector box (which is already running firefox) I simply forward from another computer	Sep 09 16:12
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines How ABRT helped us make Fedora Workstation more	Sep 09 16:13
TweetTuxMachines	stable https://t.co/IfwIOxcgdU	Sep 09 16:13
TweetTuxMachines	(eischmann.wordpress.com)	Sep 09 16:13
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/nq8we	Sep 09 16:13
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-eischmann.wordpress.com \| How ABRT helped us make Fedora Workstation more stable \| Brno's hat		Sep 09 16:13
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Gnome-like activity overview in other desktop	Sep 09 16:13
TweetTuxMachines	environments https://t.co/OljrC0Fkof	Sep 09 16:13
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-pigjuliux.wordpress.com \| Gnome-like activity overview in other desktop environments \| JuLiuX' World		Sep 09 16:13
TweetTuxMachines	(pigjuliux.wordpress.com)	Sep 09 16:13
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cubexyz	so firefox is running fast on a machine with 256 megs :)	Sep 09 16:13
cubexyz	yes, I'm quite pleased	Sep 09 16:13
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Red Hat exec is one of top 10 female leaders in	Sep 09 16:13
TweetTuxMachines	'cloud' technology http://t.co/h0lwLqurI2	Sep 09 16:13
TweetTuxMachines	(wraltechwire.com)	Sep 09 16:13
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-wraltechwire.com \| Red Hat exec is one of top 10 female leaders in 'cloud' technology :: Editor's Blog at WRAL TechWire		Sep 09 16:13
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/nq8wg	Sep 09 16:13
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Xiaomi 'Macbook Pro killer' laptop release	Sep 09 16:14
TweetTuxMachines	date, specs rumors: To run Linux	Sep 09 16:14
TweetTuxMachines	http://t.co/aT09IVNuWz (www.mnrdaily.com)	Sep 09 16:14
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.mnrdaily.com \| Xiaomi 'Macbook Pro killer' laptop release date, specs rumors: To run Linux		Sep 09 16:14
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Epiphany 3.17.91 Released, Blocks Ads By	Sep 09 16:14
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TweetTuxMachines	(www.tuxmachines.org)	Sep 09 16:14
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org \| Epiphany 3.17.91 Released, Blocks Ads By Default \| Tux Machines		Sep 09 16:14
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Events: 30 years Free Software Foundation,	Sep 09 16:15
TweetTuxMachines	ownCloud, and Linux/FOSS Promotional Events	Sep 09 16:15
TweetTuxMachines	http://t.co/dL2uILl6vH (www.tuxmachines.org)	Sep 09 16:15
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org \| Events: 30 years Free Software Foundation, ownCloud, and Linux/FOSS Promotional Events \| Tux Machines		Sep 09 16:15
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines We're Still Waiting To See If KDBUS Will Come	Sep 09 16:15
TweetTuxMachines	For Linux 4.3 http://t.co/3Qa2TRa5XV	Sep 09 16:15
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org \| We're Still Waiting To See If KDBUS Will Come For Linux 4.3 \| Tux Machines		Sep 09 16:15
TweetTuxMachines	(www.tuxmachines.org)	Sep 09 16:15
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cubexyz	funky, I'm running google-chrome on the ancient openbsd box :)	Sep 09 16:15
msb__	I want to run Unix on a cross-connected 12AX7, which I will communicate with using a telegraph key and a neon lamp.	Sep 09 16:15
cubexyz	http://www.maxhost.org/other/openbsd-running-chrome-v20.png	Sep 09 16:17
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights- ( status 404 @ http://www.maxhost.org/other/openbsd-running-chrome-v20.png )		Sep 09 16:17
cubexyz	oops	Sep 09 16:17
cubexyz	it's quite the memory workout remembering all the passwords	Sep 09 16:18
cubexyz	http://www.maxhost.org/other/openbsd-running-chrome-v20.png	Sep 09 16:18
cubexyz	well msb__ that brings me up to 2012 at least	Sep 09 16:18
msb__	Very good!	Sep 09 16:18
cubexyz	good, except for the huge office 365 ad that just appeared	Sep 09 16:20
msb__	The first computer I programmed on was a Royal McBee something-16, which had no RAM. It had a 60Hz drum and so could execute 60 instructions per second, unless you spaced them carefully around the drum.	Sep 09 16:20
msb__	No AdBlocker?	Sep 09 16:21
cubexyz	you know this is faster than trying to run firefox on the old machine	Sep 09 16:22
cubexyz	it's quite useable	Sep 09 16:22
cubexyz	evidently not on the machine I'm forwarding from	Sep 09 16:23
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Hands-on: Installing openSuSE Tumbleweed on my	Sep 09 16:25
TweetTuxMachines	new Acer Aspire V3-331 http://t.co/sK3FFJsNsm	Sep 09 16:25
TweetTuxMachines	(www.tuxmachines.org)	Sep 09 16:25
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org \| Hands-on: Installing openSuSE Tumbleweed on my new Acer Aspire V3-331 \| Tux Machines		Sep 09 16:25
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Open Source CMS Platform Acquired	Sep 09 16:25
TweetTuxMachines	http://t.co/GD8zHZ2BkT (www.tuxmachines.org)	Sep 09 16:25
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org \| Open Source CMS Platform Acquired \| Tux Machines		Sep 09 16:25
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/nq92e	Sep 09 16:25
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Five Useful Tools For Debian Based Systems	Sep 09 16:25
TweetTuxMachines	http://t.co/UmDOXotS6t (www.unixmen.com)	Sep 09 16:25
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/nq92f	Sep 09 16:25
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.unixmen.com \| Five Useful Tools For Debian Based Systems \| Unixmen		Sep 09 16:26
cubexyz	the animated thing on schestowitz techrights.org site does slow it down a lot though	Sep 09 16:26
cubexyz	but that disappears once you click on a link	Sep 09 16:26
cubexyz	I've managed to make my own browser cloud :)	Sep 09 16:30
schestowitz	https://twitter.com/dudumimran/status/641629139359789057	Sep 09 16:33
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@dudumimran: @schestowitz great - nice meeting:)		Sep 09 16:33
schestowitz	[16:26] <cubexyz> the animated thing on schestowitz techrights.org site does slow it down a lot though	Sep 09 16:33
schestowitz	Which one?	Sep 09 16:33
schestowitz	The site is under heavy load at the moment	Sep 09 16:33
cubexyz	the Snowden one	Sep 09 16:36
cubexyz	but it's mainly because of the X11 forwarding	Sep 09 16:37
cubexyz	it's still useable	Sep 09 16:37
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines This Is Not The New Nokia Android Smartphone	Sep 09 17:09
TweetTuxMachines	You Desire http://t.co/4WmwQjva6r	Sep 09 17:09
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.forbes.com \| This Is Not The New Nokia Android Smartphone You Desire		Sep 09 17:09
TweetTuxMachines	(www.forbes.com)	Sep 09 17:09
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Getting IoT kick started on Fedora	Sep 09 17:09
TweetTuxMachines	http://t.co/76YDzLUCng (nullr0ute.com)	Sep 09 17:09
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/nq9ne	Sep 09 17:09
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-nullr0ute.com \| Getting IoT kick started on Fedora \| nullr0ute's blog		Sep 09 17:09
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Links 9/9/2015: Steam for GNU/Linux Rising,	Sep 09 17:09
TweetTuxMachines	Plasma 5.4.1 is Out http://t.co/rJ1uBJnJnV	Sep 09 17:09
TweetTuxMachines	(techrights.org)	Sep 09 17:09
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/nq9ng	Sep 09 17:09
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org \| Links 9/9/2015: Steam for GNU/Linux Rising, Plasma 5.4.1 is Out \| Techrights		Sep 09 17:09
schestowitz	https://twitter.com/jwildeboer/status/641645941347491840	Sep 09 17:15
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@jwildeboer: @schestowitz #blamesystemd ;-)		Sep 09 17:15
schestowitz	No, not for this one...	Sep 09 17:16
schestowitz	context: https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/641610226811203584	Sep 09 17:16
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz: A lot of the stuff I was able to do in #kde3 (~12 years ago) I was no longer able to do in #kde4 and Plasma 5 is the same re Plasma 4. Why?		Sep 09 17:16
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Today in Techrights http://t.co/1b9wOW61KG	Sep 09 17:23
TweetTuxMachines	(www.tuxmachines.org)	Sep 09 17:23
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org \| Today in Techrights \| Tux Machines		Sep 09 17:23
schestowitz	https://twitter.com/ildiariopad/status/641649322514231297	Sep 09 17:28
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@ildiariopad: @schestowitz: “The next [ #EPO ]demonstration will take place on Tuesday 15 September” http://t.co/GqgowUCFif… http://t.co/gmxs9bDkEQ		Sep 09 17:28
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights--> t.co \| t.co / Twitter		Sep 09 17:28
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights--> ildiariopad.altervista.org \| @schestowitz: "The next [ #EPO ]demonstration will take place on Tuesday 15 September" http://t.co/4DQH4gIQPY #europe #patents #upc » Diario Pad notizie potenziate		Sep 09 17:28
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schestowitz	[15:18] [Notice] -TechrightsBot-tr to #techrights- www.independent.co.uk \| Homeopathy conference ends in chaos after delegates take hallucinogenic drug - Health News - Health & Families - The Independent [ http://ur1.ca/npu2t ]	Sep 09 17:41
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.independent.co.uk \| Homeopathy conference ends in chaos after delegates take hallucinogenic drug - Health News - Health & Families - The Independent		Sep 09 17:41
schestowitz	LOL	Sep 09 17:41
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schestowitz	https://twitter.com/i/redirect?url=https%3A%2F%2Ftwitter.com%2Fwikileaks%2Fstatus%2F641609927379828736%3Ft%3D1%26cn%3DZmxleGlibGVfcmVjcw%253D%253D%26sig%3D1a48b5a5152358a41281d2964bc44cd79d29f064%26al%3D1%26refsrc%3Demail%26iid%3De08c3ce7c39246f68bfda36af7d3cf03%26autoactions%3D1441816493%26uid%3D26603208%26nid%3D244%2B1489&t=1&cn=ZmxleGlibGVfcmVjcw%3D%3D&sig=0e7c416bf94e78f62898caec54a950c41a34df1c&iid=e08c3ce7c39246f68bfda36af7d3cf03&	Sep 09 17:52
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights- ( status 404 @ https://twitter.com/i/redirect?url=https%3A%2F%2Ftwitter.com%2Fwikileaks%2Fstatus%2F641609927379828736%3Ft%3D1%26cn%3DZmxleGlibGVfcmVjcw%253D%253D%26sig%3D1a48b5a5152358a41281d2964bc44cd79d29f064%26al%3D1%26refsrc%3Demail%26iid%3De08c3ce7c39246f68bfda36af7d3cf03%26autoactions%3D1441816493%26uid%3D26603208%26nid%3D244%2B1489&t=1&cn=ZmxleGlibGVfcmVjcw%3D%3D&sig=0e7c416bf94e78f62898caec54a950c41a34df1c&iid=e08c3ce7c39246f68bfda36a		Sep 09 17:52
schestowitz	uid=26603208&nid=244+1489	Sep 09 17:52
schestowitz	leads to https://twitter.com/wikileaks/status/641609927379828736	Sep 09 17:53
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@wikileaks: Julian #Assange on Jeremy Corbyn & US/UK special relationship https://t.co/Ob1fzgbPQJ		Sep 09 17:53
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights--> www.youtube.com \| Julian Assange on Jeremy Corbyn & US/UK special relationship - YouTube		Sep 09 17:53
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schestowitz	https://twitter.com/glynmoody/status/641658984609529856 https://twitter.com/GarrettCobarr/status/641659540174344192	Sep 09 18:09
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@glynmoody: @alexanderhanff @schestowitz yes, that struck me too: how is that a realistic solution (rhetorical question....)?		Sep 09 18:09
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@GarrettCobarr: @glynmoody @alexanderhanff @schestowitz Challenging #surveillance abuse by #NSA & their ilk on US citizens, not much better. Prove standing		Sep 09 18:09
MinceR	https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2007_cyberattacks_on_Estonia	Sep 09 18:10
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-en.wikipedia.org \| 2007 cyberattacks on Estonia - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia [ http://ur1.ca/nqaj8 ]		Sep 09 18:10
schestowitz	https://twitter.com/glynmoody/status/641659966617726976	Sep 09 18:10
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@glynmoody: @GarrettCobarr @alexanderhanff @schestowitz indeed		Sep 09 18:10
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DaemonFC	http://www.addictinginfo.org/2015/09/09/karma-came-quickly-for-the-journalist-who-kicked-and-tripped-refugees-on-camera-video/	Sep 09 19:12
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DaemonFC	MinceR, An Orban supporter?	Sep 09 19:13
MinceR	possibly	Sep 09 19:13
DaemonFC	The more I read about him, the more I say, "What an awful piece of shit...".	Sep 09 19:13
MinceR	could also be someone who mistakenly believes vona to be in opposition to orban	Sep 09 19:13
MinceR	(even though jobbik supports all the abuses fidesz/kdnp have committed so far)	Sep 09 19:14
DaemonFC	The EU is obviously not concerned about human rights, at least not anymore.	Sep 09 19:14
MinceR	indeed	Sep 09 19:14
DaemonFC	They should have expelled and sanctioned Hungary a long time ago.	Sep 09 19:14
MinceR	and this is probably due to the power of EPP	Sep 09 19:14
DaemonFC	The point of sanctions is to punish the people who have put that government in place until they change their minds.	Sep 09 19:15
MinceR	they rule the EU and have yet to kick fidesz out	Sep 09 19:15
DaemonFC	The suffering ends whenever they want it to.	Sep 09 19:15
MinceR	and the EU keeps funding hungary and keeping it around as a member	Sep 09 19:15
XRevan86	DaemonFC: I wonder why that doesn't work.	Sep 09 19:15
MinceR	religious fundamentalism will probably lead to the extinction of the human species	Sep 09 19:16
XRevan86	(seriously, it doesn't)	Sep 09 19:16
DaemonFC	XRevan86, The ability for sanctions to work is limited by how much the other economy depends on your support.	Sep 09 19:16
XRevan86	DaemonFC: It's like blackmailing.	Sep 09 19:16
DaemonFC	At this point, Hungary needs the EU single market more than Russia needed the US trade that was cut.	Sep 09 19:16
MinceR	if the payments ended, the hungarian economy would probably collapse immediately	Sep 09 19:16
DaemonFC	The sanctions have hurt Russia's economy more than ours though.	Sep 09 19:17
DaemonFC	If anything, it has improved our own jobs market.	Sep 09 19:17
XRevan86	DaemonFC: It is pretty hurt indeed.	Sep 09 19:17
MinceR	the drop of the price of oil also seems to have hurt russia's economy	Sep 09 19:17
DaemonFC	Jobs involving natural gas are being added faster than normal in the US.	Sep 09 19:17
MinceR	this is why they should have diversified instead of doing the same old shit	Sep 09 19:18
DaemonFC	MinceR, Yeah, it's certainly not helping them.	Sep 09 19:18
DaemonFC	They're not losing their asses on it, but it's not at the point where their federal budget comes close to balancing.	Sep 09 19:18
DaemonFC	One of the things that made Putin popular was balancing the federal budget and goosing the economy with government spending, but that's not the case anymore.	Sep 09 19:19
DaemonFC	If they want a balanced budget, it will require severe cuts in government spending. If they don't cut the spending, they'll run out of foreign currency reserves eventually, and have to inflate the Ruble.	Sep 09 19:20
MinceR	i wasn't aware of this "N1TV" but they sound like nazis	Sep 09 19:20
DaemonFC	Either way brings pain. Either they get an unemployment crisis and a recession or they devalue their currency and deal with an inflation crisis.	Sep 09 19:21
DaemonFC	That's really the problem with trying to set monetary policy No matter what you do, there are good and bad things that will come of it.	Sep 09 19:21
MinceR	http://www.theguardian.com/world/2015/sep/08/hungarian-nationalist-tv-camera-operator-filmed-kicking-refugee-children	Sep 09 19:21
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.theguardian.com \| Hungarian nationalist TV camera operator filmed kicking refugee children \| World news \| The Guardian [ http://ur1.ca/nqbgu ]		Sep 09 19:21
MinceR	"closely linked to the country’s far-right Jobbik party"	Sep 09 19:21
MinceR	very few people seem to care about human rights anymore	Sep 09 19:23
DaemonFC	The US has had a currency crisis before, like the kind in Weimar Germany or Zimbabwe.	Sep 09 19:25
MinceR	i was unaware of that	Sep 09 19:25
DaemonFC	Oh yeah.	Sep 09 19:25
DaemonFC	In the 1700s.	Sep 09 19:26
DaemonFC	The Congress was hamstrung by war debt, the Articles of Confederation (the original constitution), and the fact that the US dollar was new and represented a largely agrarian economy.	Sep 09 19:26
DaemonFC	The Articles left Congress with no power to levy taxes on anyone. They had to rely on voluntary contributions from the states, and the states mostly decided to ignore the requests.	Sep 09 19:27
MinceR	ic	Sep 09 19:27
DaemonFC	So Congress fired up the printing presses and the British were still trying to subvert us through counterfeiting, which never really stopped after the war.	Sep 09 19:28
DaemonFC	The Continental Dollar stopped passing as currency. Nobody would take it. A barter economy developed instead for a while.	Sep 09 19:28
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DaemonFC	The dollar is in no danger of having a crisis in the foreseeable future. Other currencies which were believed to threaten it (mostly the Euro), well.... Have you taken a look at the Euro lately? :)	Sep 09 19:31
DaemonFC	For a while, Germany was benefiting from it immensely, but now that looks like it's changing too.	Sep 09 19:33
DaemonFC	Orders for goods from German factories just took a dive this last month.	Sep 09 19:33
DaemonFC	Japan has turned into an old age colony and even currency devaluation and huge government stimulus packages aren't helping.	Sep 09 19:34
schestowitz	[19:25] <DaemonFC> The US has had a currency crisis before, like the kind in Weimar Germany or Zimbabwe.	Sep 09 19:36
schestowitz	I didn't know that either	Sep 09 19:36
DaemonFC	As in, it gets so bad that it stops passing for money. :)	Sep 09 19:36
schestowitz	safer than to invest in exchnageable things	Sep 09 19:37
DaemonFC	Twice if you count the Confederacy as the United States, but laws passed after the war voided the debt that they took on while they were in rebellion.	Sep 09 19:37
schestowitz	DaemonFC: ryan, did you ever pay those hospital bills?	Sep 09 19:37
schestowitz	Did they keep chasing you through proxies after all this time?	Sep 09 19:37
DaemonFC	Europe didn't want to get too involved. They knew that if the United States ended up winning that we would be pissed and turn our wartime economy on whoever helped the Confederate states.	Sep 09 19:38
DaemonFC	schestowitz, At this point, under state law... They're never going to get their money.	Sep 09 19:38
DaemonFC	The six year mark is actually today.	Sep 09 19:38
DaemonFC	So, it's considered uncollectable since the statute of limitations passed without a successful collection.	Sep 09 19:39
DaemonFC	I was in the hospital on September 9, 2009.	Sep 09 19:39
schestowitz	wow, i thought longer (ago) than that	Sep 09 19:39
schestowitz	they were grossly overchanrging anyway	Sep 09 19:39
DaemonFC	I managed to wait them out without being sued. Some people (with more stuff to take) aren't as lucky.	Sep 09 19:40
schestowitz	the hospitals can be like cartels in the US	Sep 09 19:40
schestowitz	well, other people probably show off their assets in FB	Sep 09 19:40
DaemonFC	Yeah. It's also better to not have any large bank balances.	Sep 09 19:40
schestowitz	and debt collectors can impersonate people to get into people's 'walls' for proof, without having to resort to surveillance agencies	Sep 09 19:41
schestowitz	nno warrants	Sep 09 19:41
DaemonFC	They can freeze your accounts, but they can't freeze cash.	Sep 09 19:41
schestowitz	I think that there was a case about this some years ago, some insurance company or something setting up bogus accounts	Sep 09 19:41
schestowitz	and got sued	Sep 09 19:41
DaemonFC	Yeah, I mostly hid everything on my Facebook page.	Sep 09 19:41
schestowitz	yes, greezing accounts is more than money seizures	Sep 09 19:41
DaemonFC	Only friends of friends can send me a friend request.	Sep 09 19:42
schestowitz	can cut off your cables and other billables	Sep 09 19:42
DaemonFC	I used a robots.txt to keep search engines from indexing it.	Sep 09 19:42
schestowitz	therein lies the real punishment, it's like sanction/stragulation	Sep 09 19:42
schestowitz	*ngulation	Sep 09 19:42
DaemonFC	I went through the public records sites and managed to get my info taken down from all of them.	Sep 09 19:42
DaemonFC	I had a problem with one called Intelius that was started by an ex-Microsoft manager.	Sep 09 19:43
schestowitz	is this why you deleted your blogs/s and twitter account?	Sep 09 19:43
DaemonFC	They wanted me to send a copy of my state ID and everything. Instead, I contacted the state attorney general and had him contact them.	Sep 09 19:43
DaemonFC	They sent a letter back to me telling me they decided to comply rather than have me push forward with a consumer protection complaint.	Sep 09 19:44
DaemonFC	Yeah.	Sep 09 19:44
MinceR	at least there's consumer protection in the usa	Sep 09 19:44
DaemonFC	Those bill collectors will do anything. It doesn't even matter if it's legal or not.	Sep 09 19:44
MinceR	unlike hungary, where there's jack shit	Sep 09 19:44
DaemonFC	I disappeared as much as I could. Changed my telephone number a couple of times.	Sep 09 19:44
MinceR	the state-run consumer protection agency takes its wages from our taxes and then proceeds to sit with its thumbs up its asses.	Sep 09 19:45
DaemonFC	They filed a collection account on my credit report.	Sep 09 19:45
DaemonFC	All of the collection accounts I have on there will be gone by the end of next year though.	Sep 09 19:45
schestowitz	they wanted $3000 for one night at the hospital?	Sep 09 19:46
schestowitz	Here it would be free	Sep 09 19:46
schestowitz	and the tax associated with NHS is like an order of magnitude lower than this amount	Sep 09 19:46
DaemonFC	schestowitz, No. $11,500 + $500 from the doctor for three hours in the hospital.	Sep 09 19:46
schestowitz	so maybe you have agenciies that help protect you, but from who? The medical mafia? Which should be eliminated for delivering no value and leading many to needless death...	Sep 09 19:47
schestowitz	LOL	Sep 09 19:47
schestowitz	$12k	Sep 09 19:47
schestowitz	That's like a whole year's savings	Sep 09 19:47
schestowitz	for a decent salaried role	Sep 09 19:48
schestowitz	and three hours over a seizure	Sep 09 19:48
DaemonFC	Yes.	Sep 09 19:48
schestowitz	better not faint again	Sep 09 19:48
schestowitz	if you must, die quickly	Sep 09 19:48
DaemonFC	If you stop paying all of your bills for a year, including your rent.	Sep 09 19:48
schestowitz	!google grayson die quickly	Sep 09 19:48
TechrightsBot-tr	[1] - Alan Grayson on the GOP Health Care Plan: "Don't Get Sick! And if ... \| http://www.youtube.com/watch%3Fv%3D-usmvYOPfco	Sep 09 19:48
TechrightsBot-tr	[2] - Alan Grayson - Wikiquote \| https://en.wikiquote.org/wiki/Alan_Grayson	Sep 09 19:48
TechrightsBot-tr	[3] - Alan Grayson "Die Quickly" Comment Prompts Uproar - CBS News \| http://www.cbsnews.com/news/alan-grayson-die-quickly-comment-prompts-uproar/	Sep 09 19:48
TechrightsBot-tr	[4] - Six Most Outrageous Quotes from Rep. Alan Grayson \| Mother Jones \| http://www.motherjones.com/politics/2010/01/best-quotes-alan-grayson	Sep 09 19:48
schestowitz	to force you to buy into the insurance cartel	Sep 09 19:49
schestowitz	or always just rent everything, lviing on the brink	Sep 09 19:49
DaemonFC	Exactly. Now it's not even optional.	Sep 09 19:49
schestowitz	makes more obedient workers	Sep 09 19:49
DaemonFC	You HAVE to buy insurance. Or you pay the federal tax agency a huge fine.	Sep 09 19:49
schestowitz	trying to avoid eviction every months... when making ends meet means food on the table and a roof	Sep 09 19:49
schestowitz	(or living with your gradma, when all else fails)	Sep 09 19:49
DaemonFC	By 2017, the fine will be like 3% of your gross income or $1,095, whichever is more.	Sep 09 19:50
DaemonFC	So, basically, they'll seize your entire tax return.	Sep 09 19:50
DaemonFC	The law doesn't let them file a lien on your house, car, or bank accounts over the no insurance tax.	Sep 09 19:50
DaemonFC	But they can just keep taking your entire tax return forever.	Sep 09 19:50
schestowitz	here they take money for NHS, deducted	Sep 09 19:51
schestowitz	maybe it's for the better for you, depending how much is covered and at what fares	Sep 09 19:51
schestowitz	they'll probably cover too little and make it as overpriced as it is now	Sep 09 19:51
DaemonFC	So if you're going to owe them money, you go to your HR, fill out a new W4, and take another deduction.	Sep 09 19:51
DaemonFC	You'll owe them income tax that was unpaid at the end of the year plus the no insurance fine.	Sep 09 19:51
DaemonFC	Take the total amount of both, subtract the fine, and send them the income tax amount.	Sep 09 19:52
DaemonFC	Then there's nothing they can do to get the rest.	Sep 09 19:52
schestowitz	I'm glad I neer moved to the US	Sep 09 19:52
DaemonFC	At least, assuming the government follows its own laws.	Sep 09 19:52
schestowitz	(I was close to it, already nearly applied for colleges there)	Sep 09 19:52
DaemonFC	That's a big if these days.	Sep 09 19:52
DaemonFC	schestowitz, Yeah, basically everyone knows someone from the UK, Canada, Australia, etc.	Sep 09 19:53
DaemonFC	They hop on a plane and go home if they get sick, assuming they can.	Sep 09 19:53
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DaemonFC	A US hospital sent a Canadian woman a $1 million hospital bill for going into labor and having a baby in Washington state.	Sep 09 19:54
DaemonFC	schestowitz, And the minimum acceptable insurance under Obamacare costs most people a fucking fortune and doesn't cover anything, really.	Sep 09 19:55
schestowitz	!google sued for creating fake account to spy on woman	Sep 09 19:55
TechrightsBot-tr	[1] - Feds Using Fake Online Profiles To Spy On Suspects - Huffington Post \| http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2010/03/16/fbi-uses-fake-facebook-pr_n_500776.html	Sep 09 19:55
TechrightsBot-tr	[2] - DEA set up fake Facebook account to impersonate woman and spy ... \| http://www.policestateusa.com/2014/sondra-arquiett/	Sep 09 19:55
TechrightsBot-tr	[3] - DEA created a fake Facebook profile in this woman's name using ... \| http://www.washingtonpost.com/news/morning-mix/wp/2014/10/07/dea-created-a-fake-facebook-profile-in-this-womans-name-using-seized-pics-then-impersonated-her/	Sep 09 19:55
TechrightsBot-tr	[4] - Woman sues federal agent over fake Facebook profile used in drug ... \| http://www.theguardian.com/world/2014/oct/07/fake-facebook-dea-agent-lawsuit-sondra-arquiett	Sep 09 19:55
DaemonFC	If you're making over 400% of what the goveernment declares to be the poverty level that year for your household size, you get stuck with no subsidy and the insurance mandate.	Sep 09 19:55
schestowitz	Ah, DEA	Sep 09 19:56
schestowitz	they also get phone records	Sep 09 19:56
schestowitz	so similar to spying agencies either way	Sep 09 19:56
DaemonFC	So, basically, for an individual who makes just above like $44,000 and some change, they get into that situation.	Sep 09 19:56
schestowitz	!google dea records call	Sep 09 19:56
TechrightsBot-tr	[1] - U.S. secretly tracked billions of calls for decades - USA Today \| http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/2015/04/07/dea-bulk-telephone-surveillance-operation/70808616/	Sep 09 19:56
TechrightsBot-tr	[2] - DEA program secretly collected bulk phone records for decades ... \| http://thehill.com/policy/technology/238135-dea-program-collected-bulk-records-on-americans-international-calls	Sep 09 19:56
TechrightsBot-tr	[3] - Original Phone Record Dragnet Faces Lawsuit - US News & World ... \| http://www.usnews.com/news/articles/2015/04/09/original-us-phone-record-dragnet-finally-faces-lawsuit	Sep 09 19:56
TechrightsBot-tr	[4] - Human Rights Watch Sues DEA Over Bulk Collection of Americans ... \| https://www.eff.org/press/releases/human-rights-watch-sues-dea-over-bulk-collection-americans-telephone-records	Sep 09 19:56
DaemonFC	Then their insurance costs like $700-800 a month just for the basic plan.	Sep 09 19:56
schestowitz	[1] was the original/exclusive at the time	Sep 09 19:56
DaemonFC	It's only a good deal if you're poor.	Sep 09 19:56
DaemonFC	The deal gets worse, the more money you make.	Sep 09 19:57
DaemonFC	So it's a perverse incentive to stay poor.	Sep 09 19:57
schestowitz	I hope they treat the poor better	Sep 09 19:57
DaemonFC	If you make $15,000 that year, you get insurance for $20 a month.	Sep 09 19:57
schestowitz	the US has a lot of poverty (compared to 'first world' countries)	Sep 09 19:57
DaemonFC	If you make $45,000 that year, it can be $1,200 for the same coverage.	Sep 09 19:57
schestowitz	maybe gun crime will decline if the poor feel less separate	Sep 09 19:58
DaemonFC	So you make more money, but then you lose about $14,000 of it.	Sep 09 19:58
schestowitz	better to have spouse	Sep 09 19:58
schestowitz	for tax purposes at the very least	Sep 09 19:58
DaemonFC	So, workers are doing what they can to earn less money.	Sep 09 19:58
schestowitz	two salaries for same family aren't taxes as one cululative	Sep 09 19:58
schestowitz	which i think in itself is a bit of a loophole	Sep 09 19:59
DaemonFC	That way, the government pays their insurance bills and why work harder if they're just going to take it away from you anyway?	Sep 09 19:59
schestowitz	and an incentive to marry	Sep 09 19:59
schestowitz	saving to buy a house as a single person is hard everywhere	Sep 09 19:59
schestowitz	[19:59] <DaemonFC> That way, the government pays their insurance bills and why work harder if they're just going to take it away from you anyway?	Sep 09 19:59
DaemonFC	schestowitz, No. There's an incentive not to get married.	Sep 09 19:59
schestowitz	That's why I and my wife's cousins aren't too eager to take extra work	Sep 09 19:59
schestowitz	the more you work, the less you get per hour	Sep 09 20:00
schestowitz	so it's better to keep it balanced lower	Sep 09 20:00
DaemonFC	A lot of federal benefits say things like "You qualify if you make less than $1400 a month as an individual or $2,000 a month as a married couple."	Sep 09 20:00
schestowitz	My brother pays almost 40% of his salary to deductables	Sep 09 20:00
schestowitz	40%	Sep 09 20:00
schestowitz	it's like he's wasting his time subsidizing the state	Sep 09 20:00
DaemonFC	That's why the Congressional Budget Office said that gay marriage would reduce the federal deficit by $100 million a year.	Sep 09 20:00
MinceR	the government should not meddle in private affairs.	Sep 09 20:00
DaemonFC	And that was before the insurance reform law.	Sep 09 20:00
schestowitz	and he's not alone, I saw others who worked their arse off just for a gross (on paper) high wage	Sep 09 20:00
DaemonFC	MinceR, The United States is turning into a god damned kleptocracy right before our eyes.	Sep 09 20:01
schestowitz	the US is more amusing than the UK	Sep 09 20:01
MinceR	yes	Sep 09 20:01
schestowitz	I often get the impression people there are easier to fool, and politicians capitalise on it	Sep 09 20:01
DaemonFC	schestowitz, The message to people who want to do better is "Don't do better. The government will just seize all of it.".	Sep 09 20:01
MinceR	meanwhile, some people hold up a long-entrenched kleptocracy as the shining example that must be followed	Sep 09 20:01
schestowitz	"the American people", "Hope", "in God"...	Sep 09 20:01
schestowitz	wouldn't fly here	Sep 09 20:01
MinceR	it seems that "in God" does fly there	Sep 09 20:02
schestowitz	even the royals here have become a bit of a laughing stock, naked emperors	Sep 09 20:02
MinceR	considering cameron's and his pals' success	Sep 09 20:02
schestowitz	old people vote for Tories	Sep 09 20:02
MinceR	and the corresponding human rights abuses	Sep 09 20:02
schestowitz	and there aren't many children here	Sep 09 20:02
schestowitz	low birth rates compared to the world, maybe above average for western europe	Sep 09 20:03
schestowitz	and increasing longevity	Sep 09 20:03
DaemonFC	schestowitz, Yeah, I saw a guy outside Buckingham Palace singing something like "The queen is much better than us and she deserves another palace!" to the tune of "God Save the Queen".	Sep 09 20:03
schestowitz	so enough idiots still who like their teas, scones, and queen Liz	Sep 09 20:03
DaemonFC	The police were....annoyed.	Sep 09 20:03
schestowitz	and they vote Tories, or worse, UKIP	Sep 09 20:03
schestowitz	and murdoch's papers keep telling them why it's a GOod Idea	Sep 09 20:03
schestowitz	[20:03] <DaemonFC> schestowitz, Yeah, I saw a guy outside Buckingham Palace singing something like "The queen is much better than us and she deserves another palace!" to the tune of "God Save the Queen".	Sep 09 20:04
schestowitz	!google holyrood queen	Sep 09 20:04
TechrightsBot-tr	[1] - Holyrood Week - The British Monarchy \| http://www.royal.gov.uk/RoyalEventsandCeremonies/HolyroodWeek/HolyroodWeek.aspx	Sep 09 20:04
TechrightsBot-tr	[2] - Visit The Queen's Gallery, Palace of Holyroodhouse \| https://www.royalcollection.org.uk/visit/the-queens-gallery-palace-of-holyroodhouse	Sep 09 20:04
TechrightsBot-tr	[3] - Queen takes part in ceremony receiving her into Edinburgh for ... \| http://www.dailymail.co.uk/femail/article-3144982/Glorious-green-Queen-provides-flash-colour-florals-takes-ancient-ceremony-receive-city-Edinburgh-Holyrood-week.html	Sep 09 20:04
TechrightsBot-tr	[4] - Holyrood Palace - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia \| https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Holyrood_Palace	Sep 09 20:04
schestowitz	She already has her arse in some other palaces	Sep 09 20:04
schestowitz	and she charged my wife and my mom to enter to merely see it from the inside	Sep 09 20:04
schestowitz	last year	Sep 09 20:04
MinceR	DaemonFC: lol	Sep 09 20:04
schestowitz	it's right opposite the scottish parliment	Sep 09 20:05
schestowitz	which adds insult to injury	Sep 09 20:05
MinceR	probably deliberately so	Sep 09 20:05
schestowitz	popular Scottish parties like SNP want to cut off Westminster	Sep 09 20:05
schestowitz	while 'her majesty' is across the road jiggling her wealth	Sep 09 20:05
schestowitz	she hardly ever visits it	Sep 09 20:06
DaemonFC	schestowitz, Didn't they try to get her on welfare to pay her $40,000 utility bills? :)	Sep 09 20:06
MinceR	lol	Sep 09 20:06
MinceR	welfare Queen?	Sep 09 20:06
schestowitz	her car came by our house 2 years ago, I saw her sitting there surrounded by like a dozen motorcycles... hence the hidden high cost of 'royal' family	Sep 09 20:06
DaemonFC	I saw that in the news a few years back and when they were caught the guy that did it basically said "Oops.".	Sep 09 20:06
schestowitz	!google buckingham refurb	Sep 09 20:07
TechrightsBot-tr	[1] - Queen 'may be forced out of Buckingham Palace' during building's ... \| http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/home-news/queen-may-be-forced-out-of-buckingham-palace-during-buildings-150m-refurbishment-10340682.html	Sep 09 20:07
TechrightsBot-tr	[2] - This is why Buckingham Palace needs a £150 million refurbishment ... \| http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/buckingham-palace-needs-150-million-5938912	Sep 09 20:07
TechrightsBot-tr	[3] - The Queen could move out of Buckingham Palace while £150m ... \| http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/queen-could-move-out-buckingham-5938367	Sep 09 20:07
TechrightsBot-tr	[4] - Queen might have to move out of Buckingham Palace amid ... \| http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/queen-elizabeth-II/11694694/Queen-might-have-to-move-out-of-Buckingham-Palace-amid-151million-of-repairs.html	Sep 09 20:07
schestowitz	but no money for disabled people and hungry old people	Sep 09 20:07
DaemonFC	MinceR, Yeah. Some sort of welfare intended to pay utility bills for the poor.	Sep 09 20:07
DaemonFC	They tried to get the palace on that program.	Sep 09 20:07
DaemonFC	Fucking thiefs.	Sep 09 20:07
DaemonFC	Parasiting off the working folks.	Sep 09 20:07
MinceR	indeed	Sep 09 20:07
schestowitz	is this true?	Sep 09 20:08
schestowitz	Or exaggerated for drama?	Sep 09 20:08
DaemonFC	!google queen utility bill	Sep 09 20:08
TechrightsBot-tr	[1] - Queen Creek, AZ : Pay Your Utility Bill \| http://www.queencreek.org/community/pay-your-utility-bill	Sep 09 20:08
TechrightsBot-tr	[2] - Online Account Access for Town of Queen Creek \| https://www.iwebms.net/queencreek	Sep 09 20:08
TechrightsBot-tr	[3] - Ways to Pay Your Bill - NYC.gov \| http://www.nyc.gov/html/dep/html/water_and_sewer_bills/index.shtml	Sep 09 20:08
TechrightsBot-tr	[4] - The Queen is hit by energy price rises as utility bills soar by £1m ... \| http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2459014/The-Queen-hit-energy-price-rises-utility-bills-soar-1m.html	Sep 09 20:08
schestowitz	welfare usually is enough to cover utility, food	Sep 09 20:08
DaemonFC	hmm	Sep 09 20:08
DaemonFC	need to search for that	Sep 09 20:08
schestowitz	you'd probably have to living with other family members, unless they also give you a council house	Sep 09 20:08
DaemonFC	http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1314446/The-Queen-pleads-poverty-help-Buckingham-Palace-heating-bill.html	Sep 09 20:08
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.dailymail.co.uk \| The Queen pleads poverty for help with Buckingham Palace heating bill \| Daily Mail Online [ http://ur1.ca/nqc2q ]		Sep 09 20:08
schestowitz	to apply for one you might have to be a vet, disabled, unable to work, retired etc.	Sep 09 20:09
schestowitz	dailyfail is not reliable	Sep 09 20:09
DaemonFC	http://www.nydailynews.com/news/world/queen-elizabeth-ii-utility-bills-subsidized-gov-program-low-income-residents-article-1.439368	Sep 09 20:09
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.nydailynews.com \| NO TITLE [ http://ur1.ca/nqc37 ]		Sep 09 20:09
schestowitz	maybe it's not heating bill and not poverty	Sep 09 20:09
DaemonFC	"Unable to keep up with rising utility costs at Buckingham Palace, Queen Elizabeth II once sought a handout to help pay palace heating bills from a government program that subsidizes heating costs for the poor."	Sep 09 20:09
schestowitz	ah, maybe a hoax	Sep 09 20:09
schestowitz	maybe someone signed her up for it	Sep 09 20:10
DaemonFC	http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/home-news/queen-tried-to-use-state-poverty-fund-to-heat-buckingham-palace-2088179.html	Sep 09 20:10
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.independent.co.uk \| Queen tried to use state poverty fund to heat Buckingham Palace - Home News - UK - The Independent [ http://ur1.ca/nqc3i ]		Sep 09 20:10
DaemonFC	Yeah, it wasn't her personally.	Sep 09 20:10
schestowitz	it would be foolish to attempt otherwsiee	Sep 09 20:10
schestowitz	ah, ok, maybe some staff of the palace	Sep 09 20:10
schestowitz	and likely reprimanded or fired after bad press	Sep 09 20:10
schestowitz	40k to heat it up?	Sep 09 20:10
DaemonFC	The US experimented with public housing up until about the 1980s.	Sep 09 20:10
schestowitz	per month?	Sep 09 20:10
DaemonFC	It gave us things like Cabrini-Green.	Sep 09 20:11
schestowitz	Maybe she should switch energy sources...	Sep 09 20:11
schestowitz	my electric+gas bill is about 50 a month	Sep 09 20:11
schestowitz	for 2 people	Sep 09 20:11
DaemonFC	Infamous poverty concentration. 5-6 people killed in the projects every night.	Sep 09 20:11
schestowitz	maybe 60, depending on the season	Sep 09 20:11
MinceR	maybe she should get a fucking job already	Sep 09 20:11
schestowitz	brb	Sep 09 20:11
schestowitz	she had a job	Sep 09 20:11
MinceR	parasite	Sep 09 20:11
schestowitz	she was queen	Sep 09 20:11
MinceR	that's not a job	Sep 09 20:11
schestowitz	she was waving hello	Sep 09 20:11
DaemonFC	So the public housing policy is now vouchers to private landlords mostly. When you do scatter-site, things like gangs don't form as easily.	Sep 09 20:12
schestowitz	yesterday i saw in M&S some plates	Sep 09 20:12
schestowitz	"royal wedding"	Sep 09 20:12
schestowitz	And it says Willian and Catherine on it	Sep 09 20:12
MinceR	that's like saying janos kadar worked hard	Sep 09 20:12
DaemonFC	Unfortunately, there's projects leftover from the 60s and 70s. Like Eden Green in Fort Wayne.	Sep 09 20:12
schestowitz	these were "Discounted" now	Sep 09 20:12
schestowitz	i could buy them just to puke on them	Sep 09 20:12
DaemonFC	That's where all the crime is. Shootings every day.	Sep 09 20:12
MinceR	maybe he licked the asses of the russians hard	Sep 09 20:12
MinceR	but that's hardly "work"	Sep 09 20:12
schestowitz	!google cameron compares putin to hitler	Sep 09 20:13
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DaemonFC	schestowitz, Welfare doesn't really make as much sense when there's 20 million people who would still have no jobs even if there was a perfect skills match.	Sep 09 20:13
schestowitz	no provocation there...	Sep 09 20:13
DaemonFC	That's the situation here in the US.	Sep 09 20:13
MinceR	DaemonFC: how common are apartment buildings like Cabrini-Green in the USA?	Sep 09 20:13
MinceR	putin _is_ like hitler	Sep 09 20:13
DaemonFC	20 million people who are permanently unemployable no matter what. Government doesn't talk about it.	Sep 09 20:14
MinceR	and putin is being appeased like hitler was	Sep 09 20:14
schestowitz	putler	Sep 09 20:14
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MinceR	the nazis got the beating they deserved	Sep 09 20:14
MinceR	but the commies never did	Sep 09 20:14
DaemonFC	MinceR, They're more common in major cities.	Sep 09 20:14
DaemonFC	Cabrini-Green was torn down.	Sep 09 20:14
MinceR	now we have a second cold war, and the third world war is coming	Sep 09 20:14
schestowitz	Hungary has been reduced from empire to jobbik racist carnival	Sep 09 20:15
DaemonFC	Obama has the authority to end unemployment, at least in theory.	Sep 09 20:15
schestowitz	Germany rose back	Sep 09 20:15
schestowitz	Greek is another Zimbabwe, it seems...	Sep 09 20:15
schestowitz	*Greece	Sep 09 20:15
DaemonFC	The Humphrey-Hawkins act (1978?) authorizes the government to create jobs for anyone who can't get one in the private sector, but it's never been invoked.	Sep 09 20:15
DaemonFC	They don't want to do expensive public works projects because of the cost, even though there are tons of things that really need done.	Sep 09 20:16
MinceR	DaemonFC: i see	Sep 09 20:16
DaemonFC	There are at least several flood control reservoirs in Indiana that need to be enlarged because of the amount of rain that we've been getting.	Sep 09 20:16
DaemonFC	At least a 15% enlargement of three just in the counties surrounding me. Congress won't do anything until the dams break and several entire cities are under three or four feet of water.	Sep 09 20:17
DaemonFC	If they enlarged the reservoirs now in anticipation of this sort of thing becoming more common, they would spend only about 1-2% of the cost of cleaning up that sort of disaster.	Sep 09 20:18
DaemonFC	We have the most ignorant and corrupt Congress now of my lifetime.	Sep 09 20:18
DaemonFC	They used to care, then they used to pretend to care. Now they just tell the constituents to eat shit, and they get re-elected anyway, so that's what they do.	Sep 09 20:19
DaemonFC	That entire branch of government is pretty close to an entire breakdown.	Sep 09 20:20
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DaemonFC	You've got the president and the Supreme Court trying to do as much as they can without Congress.	Sep 09 20:21
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DaemonFC	I'm glad that they dismantled the gay marriage ban laws. It was becoming a national embarrassment. A sign of just how far back we were. Oh, and the conservatives howled.	Sep 09 20:22
DaemonFC	"We had a vote on your rights and decided fair and square that you don't have them!"	Sep 09 20:22
DaemonFC	The Supreme Court said, "Fuck you. That's not how it works. Next!". A rare moment where some of my faith in the system was restored. Don't worry. It won't last long. They'll be back to no good in short order.	Sep 09 20:23
MinceR	are those apartement buildings shitty too? (stuff like lack of thermal and sound insulation, bad layout, cramped spaces, low quality)	Sep 09 20:25
DaemonFC	MinceR, The American Recovery and Reinvestment Act included some funding to renovate and modernize, to an extent.	Sep 09 20:26
DaemonFC	Since the government pays the utility bills too, it made sense to make them more energy and water efficient.	Sep 09 20:26
DaemonFC	Of course, that passed with no Republican votes at all.	Sep 09 20:26
DaemonFC	MinceR, The public housing for white people in rural areas is managed by a program through the US Department of Agriculture.	Sep 09 20:27
DaemonFC	Then they can defund Section 8 for poor black people in the major cities without hurting the Republican voters.	Sep 09 20:27
MinceR	ic	Sep 09 20:27
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MinceR	just as i suspected, the russian communist-style shit we get doesn't fly in the us	Sep 09 20:28
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Sailfish OS 2.0 UI Now In Early Access	Sep 09 20:28
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MinceR	even the doors are badly designed here	Sep 09 20:28
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines New open source tool to help reporters rethink	Sep 09 20:28
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DaemonFC	MinceR, They let it get to the point where the old stuff was from the 70s, 80s, and 90s. Obviously, you replace a refrigerator from the 90s and an air conditioner from the late 80s, there's going to be some big efficiency gains.	Sep 09 20:29
DaemonFC	The toilets were those old 3 gallon per flush monsters from before the 1993 law that banned them and replaced them with the 1.5 gallon models.	Sep 09 20:30
DaemonFC	The Republicans didn't like that law. Conservation isn't real popular with them.	Sep 09 20:30
MinceR	you don't have the flush mechanisms that stop when you release the string/lever?	Sep 09 20:31
DaemonFC	Well, the first models weren't very good. They were just the same design with smaller tanks, so you had to flush 2-3 times. But they got better.	Sep 09 20:31
DaemonFC	Now they use air pressure to assist the flushing mechanism, and they work fine.	Sep 09 20:31
DaemonFC	That's why when Senator Rand Paul (R-Kentucky) got up in the Senate in 2012 and complained about his toilet for 30 minutes, I was like "Where the hell has he been?".	Sep 09 20:32
MinceR	:)	Sep 09 20:33
DaemonFC	MinceR, My state representative sent out a survey asking for ideas on how to save Indiana taxpayers money.	Sep 09 20:34
DaemonFC	I replied "Abolish the Indiana House of Representatives and send your pay and benefits back to the General Fund. Make the state Senate the legislature, like Nebraska.".	Sep 09 20:34
DaemonFC	I also put that on his Facebook wall. Never got a reply.	Sep 09 20:36
DaemonFC	Changing the state constitution requires the same amendment to pass in three consecutive sessions of the General Assembly, and then the governor has to sign it, and then it is up for an up or down approval vote by the public in the next election year.	Sep 09 20:37
DaemonFC	The last big win that we got was eliminating township tax assessors. I voted in favor of eliminating that position and firing all of them, and transferring their duties to the county assessor. It saves the state about $350,000 a year.	Sep 09 20:38
DaemonFC	Indiana just has too many levels of government. (Former) Governor Daniels wanted to get rid of Townships entirely, and I agreed, but he never got the rest of the Township elimination amendments passed. I would have voted in favor of all of them.	Sep 09 20:39
DaemonFC	The last time the government layout was significantly reformed was in 1865, so a lot of it has become an irrelevant holdover.	Sep 09 20:40
DaemonFC	One small city can have 5-6 townships in it, and they all have their own officials. It's completely stupid.	Sep 09 20:40
DaemonFC	I'd eliminate and streamline it if it was up to me, but the only way I get to vote on it is if the people who are part of that bloated unnecessary structure say I can. :P	Sep 09 20:42
DaemonFC	schestowitz, Yeah, Parkview Hospital is buttering up Fort Wayne.	Sep 09 20:49
DaemonFC	They have their own hospital police.	Sep 09 20:49
DaemonFC	They moved out of the city to avoid taxes.	Sep 09 20:49
DaemonFC	They bought the naming rights to a bunch of stuff. They "donate" to build walking trails and stuff.	Sep 09 20:49
DaemonFC	They throw all this money around and they got it by sending ridiculous hospital bills to people.	Sep 09 20:50
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DaemonFC	Gizmodo wrote an article that says that Apple's fetal monitor is the best thing they've ever done for women. I replied, "The best thing they've done for pregnant women ever since forcing them to work with hazardous chemicals for 20 cents an hour in a factory with suicide nets.".	Sep 09 23:45
MinceR	http://imgur.com/gallery/m00tubZ	Sep 09 23:48
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-imgur.com \| Domo arigato. - Imgur		Sep 09 23:48
MinceR	the best thing crApple can do for women is to become defunct	Sep 09 23:48
DaemonFC	J. R. Bob Dobbs (formerly ZOMG Pink Ponies) says:	Sep 09 23:54
DaemonFC	https://support.apple.com/en-us/HT201412	Sep 09 23:54
DaemonFC	"If your iPhone, iPad, or iPod touch doesn't respond or doesn't turn on"	Sep 09 23:54
DaemonFC	Otherwise known as crashing, freezing, and bombing out. But Apple banned those terms in their employee handbook.	Sep 09 23:54
DaemonFC	If all else fails, get a smartphone next time. :)	Sep 09 23:54
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-support.apple.com \| If your iPhone, iPad, or iPod touch doesn't respond or doesn't turn on - Apple Support		Sep 09 23:54
DaemonFC	Control the language and you control how people are allowed to think.	Sep 09 23:55
MinceR	in the case of crApple, do they not think because they can't or because they aren't allowed to?	Sep 09 23:57
DaemonFC	J. R. Bob Dobbs (formerly ZOMG Pink Ponies) says:	Sep 10 00:01
DaemonFC	http://www.rawstory.com/2015/09/houston-cops-shoot-unarmed-black-patient-in-hospital-and-then-charge-him-with-assault/	Sep 10 00:01
DaemonFC	Texas police shot an unarmed black man in a hospital, unprovoked, and then charged him with assault.	Sep 10 00:01
DaemonFC	The neglect of the mental health condition that drove him to check himself into the hospital in the first place was probably due to the pump and dump nature of American hospitals. Unless you're rich or have insurance, they dump you out on the street with the minimum possible amount of treatment.	Sep 10 00:01
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.rawstory.com \| Houston cops shoot unarmed black patient in hospital — and then charge him with assault [ http://ur1.ca/nqew8 ]		Sep 10 00:01
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DaemonFC	MinceR, They're using soft language. When they have to admit that there's bugs they use soft language.	Sep 10 00:40
DaemonFC	There's an "issue". They'll "resolve" it. Your computer didn't crash and freeze. It "stopped responding".	Sep 10 00:40
MinceR	and yet their products suck	Sep 10 00:46
MinceR	all the trickery can't make up for the fact that they omit essential functionality and severely cripple what remains	Sep 10 00:46
MinceR	and implement it at bargain basement quality, and provide worthless support for it	Sep 10 00:46
DaemonFC	MinceR, There was an old style army plane that someone was flying a few hundred feet above the reservoir while we were swimming.	Sep 10 00:47
DaemonFC	It made me think of that scene from GTA V.	Sep 10 00:47
DaemonFC	Trevor is going to have to crash land a plane.	Sep 10 00:47
DaemonFC	Michael says "Those poor farmers!".	Sep 10 00:47
DaemonFC	Trevor says "They aren't farming anything down there but meth!".	Sep 10 00:47
MinceR	:>	Sep 10 00:48
DaemonFC	https://scontent-ord1-1.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-xpa1/v/t1.0-9/10665818_262168230659882_2960500663487330238_n.jpg?oh=1a8610b9e0230d455f7c1b64140ab08b&oe=56A6B69A	Sep 10 00:59
MinceR	:)	Sep 10 01:01
cubexyz	there's different types of non-responsiveness	Sep 10 01:12
cubexyz	you can be locked out of almost everything: keyboard, mouse even ssh and still recover via a serial terminal	Sep 10 01:12
cubexyz	depends on the kernel state	Sep 10 01:13
MinceR	if you said that a crApple luser, they too would enter a state of non-responsiveness	Sep 10 01:14
DaemonFC	http://thinkprogress.org/health/2015/09/08/3699290/impending-insurance-mergers/	Sep 10 01:26
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DaemonFC	They can buy each other up and then render the comparison shopping on the marketplace useless since there will only be one or two health insurance companies left in the country.	Sep 10 01:28
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DaemonFC	MinceR, There was an article a while back that said that businesses were trying to figure out what to do about the "problem" of frugality that stuck with many people after the last recession.	Sep 10 01:38
DaemonFC	I commented "Don't start another one?".	Sep 10 01:38
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MinceR	:>	Sep 10 01:38
cubexyz	UCL did some work on a self-repairing computer	Sep 10 01:38
cubexyz	had some rudimentary smarts	Sep 10 01:39
cubexyz	if there was danger of overheating it would reduce CPU speed	Sep 10 01:40
MinceR	intel did that too :>	Sep 10 01:40
cubexyz	yes	Sep 10 01:40
cubexyz	they did some other interesting things beyond that	Sep 10 01:42
cubexyz	it was called the "systemic computer"	Sep 10 01:42
cubexyz	it ran multiple copies of its instructions distributed across many nodes	Sep 10 01:43
cubexyz	so if one node bombs out, it would restore itself from another node	Sep 10 01:43
MinceR	nice	Sep 10 01:45
cubexyz	http://www.maxhost.org/other/crash-proof-computer.pdf	Sep 10 01:46
cubexyz	self-healing depends on having spare capacity somewhere	Sep 10 02:08
cubexyz	e.g. a hard drive can 'repair' failing sectors by mapping that data to unused capacity held back for that reason	Sep 10 02:09
MinceR	eventually it could also depend on manufacturing and installing replacement parts	Sep 10 02:10
cubexyz	IBM mainframes have hot-plugging	Sep 10 02:10
cubexyz	not sure what the cheapest mainframe costs these days	Sep 10 02:11
cubexyz	you can get SSD/HD hot swap bays	Sep 10 02:15
MinceR	usb and pcie can do hotplugging too, afaik	Sep 10 02:23
cubexyz	the problem is the motherboard might flex when inserting a card	Sep 10 02:27
MinceR	ExpressCard avoids that :)	Sep 10 02:27
cubexyz	can one get that with a standard ATX motherboard?	Sep 10 02:29
MinceR	dunno	Sep 10 02:29
cubexyz	ok, yes you can, cool	Sep 10 02:29
MinceR	some of my laptops have it	Sep 10 02:29
cubexyz	how many laptops do you have?	Sep 10 02:30
MinceR	about 4	Sep 10 02:31
MinceR	i only use 1 regularly, though	Sep 10 02:31
cubexyz	I guess there's USB video cards?	Sep 10 02:44
MinceR	well, DisplayLink probably exists	Sep 10 02:44
MinceR	though i have never seen a display that actually implemented it	Sep 10 02:44
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DaemonFC	<cubexyz> e.g. a hard drive can 'repair' failing sectors by mapping that data to unused capacity held back for that reason	Sep 10 02:56
DaemonFC	It reduces performance and it will eventually run out.	Sep 10 02:56
DaemonFC	If it's happening a lot it means the disk is failing and back up whatever you can right now.	Sep 10 02:56
cubexyz	MinceR, I have a standard hot plug pci controller module called shpchp	Sep 10 03:08
MinceR	:)	Sep 10 03:08
cubexyz	but how to use it... no idea	Sep 10 03:08
cubexyz	it's been around a long time	Sep 10 03:10
cubexyz	ah, seems to tie into ACPI support	Sep 10 03:10
cubexyz	this one is evidently supported by linux:	Sep 10 03:21
cubexyz	http://www.accellcables.com/products/ultravideo-usb-2-0-to-dvi-i-or-vga-video-adapter?variant=729677365	Sep 10 03:21
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.accellcables.com \| UltraVideo® USB 2.0 to DVI-I or VGA Video Adapter – Accell [ http://ur1.ca/nqh69 ]		Sep 10 03:21
cubexyz	kernel 3.4 or newer	Sep 10 03:23
cubexyz	some of then use encryption	Sep 10 03:23
cubexyz	s/then/them/	Sep 10 03:23
MinceR	:)	Sep 10 03:23
cubexyz	my other idea of using two serial ports for two serial terminals won't work	Sep 10 03:36
cubexyz	oh wait... maybe it will	Sep 10 03:36
cubexyz	and the usb video cards can overheat, great	Sep 10 03:41
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schestowitz	https://twitter.com/fcassia/status/641844948501970944 https://twitter.com/fcassia/status/641845109110239232 https://twitter.com/fcassia/status/641845403512668160	Sep 10 06:29
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@fcassia: @schestowitz you're a bit behind on that news piece. It was all over down here the last t +24hrs. Even sparking memes		Sep 10 06:29
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@fcassia: .@schestowitz http://t.co/kgNI7p7gc7		Sep 10 06:29
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@fcassia: .@schestowitz http://t.co/Fd9Pnlasjp		Sep 10 06:29
schestowitz	https://twitter.com/fcassia/status/641845730789998592	Sep 10 06:29
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@fcassia: .@schestowitz http://t.co/7Tm2YGKRWD		Sep 10 06:29
schestowitz	https://twitter.com/fcassia/status/641846006389297152	Sep 10 06:30
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@fcassia: .@schestowitz http://t.co/IeskyRBKbz		Sep 10 06:30
schestowitz	https://joindiaspora.com/posts/6515918	Sep 10 06:34
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: Sadly, to quite a lot of people RMS is a "nuisance" for starting the system which they use for free, Torvalds a celebrated hero. #gnu #linux		Sep 10 06:34
schestowitz	"If systemd is really that bad, the community will fork and leave Red Hat where Novell went. GNU has an init daemon if there’s anything really wrong with init."	Sep 10 06:34
schestowitz	Systemd is being made harder to remove over time. It ceased being just an init system a very long time ago.	Sep 10 06:35
schestowitz	https://twitter.com/fcassia/status/641846463803301888	Sep 10 06:35
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@fcassia: @schestowitz see, the fundamental problems in our country we solve them never. The memes,those we do immediately. ;-p		Sep 10 06:35
schestowitz	I didn't know if had made so much impact on the Web...	Sep 10 06:35
schestowitz	https://twitter.com/pefercos/status/641846943707176960	Sep 10 06:36
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@pefercos: @TechJournalist @schestowitz And people applauded it. Stab me, please. #apple #braindead #stupidity		Sep 10 06:36
schestowitz	They're not people, they're Apple drones showing their own stupidity	Sep 10 06:36
schestowitz	https://joindiaspora.com/posts/6573629	Sep 10 06:38
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: #Xiaomi 'Macbook Pro killer' laptop release date, specs rumors: To run Linux http://www.mnrdaily.com/article/xiaomi.macbook.pro.killer.laptop.to.run.linux.to.be.released.in.2016/3763.htm #gnu #linux #china		Sep 10 06:38
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights--> www.mnrdaily.com \| Xiaomi 'Macbook Pro killer' laptop release date, specs rumors: To run Linux [ http://ur1.ca/npu2p ]		Sep 10 06:38
schestowitz	";Rumors i heard said they will probably use a “modified” linux system like they use a “modified” Android system on their phones. Hopefully it will allow loading of standard Linux distros, time will tell."	Sep 10 06:38
schestowitz	China isn't too keen on that...	Sep 10 06:38
schestowitz	https://joindiaspora.com/posts/6566110	Sep 10 06:39
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: Why market a distro - ANY distro - using 'Secure Boot'? http://news.softpedia.com/news/ubuntu-based-peppermint-os-6-receives-full-uefi-and-secure-boot-support-491059.shtml It's not a feature http://techrights.org/wiki/index.php/UEFI		Sep 10 06:39
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights--> news.softpedia.com \| Ubuntu-Based Peppermint OS 6 Receives Full UEFI and Secure Boot Support - Softpedia [ http://ur1.ca/npmfa ]		Sep 10 06:39
schestowitz	"I don’t think Orwell predicted this level of shamelessness in language. I’ve got a Vista 7 system here at work. At any given time, it’s running dozens of programs. They call themselves “services” and many have “security” in their names, but what could be less secure than the blind faith a person puts in non free software? Thanks to Edward Snowden, we have concrete proof that Microsoft betrayed all of their users while	Sep 10 06:39
schestowitz	promising them privacy and security."	Sep 10 06:39
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights--> techrights.org \| UEFI - Techrights [ http://ur1.ca/arj9i ]		Sep 10 06:39
schestowitz	A lot of so-called security software only adds intrusion vectors	Sep 10 06:40
schestowitz	https://twitter.com/fcassia/status/641848068627898368	Sep 10 06:40
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@fcassia: @schestowitz what a horrible person, that woman.		Sep 10 06:40
schestowitz	https://twitter.com/fcassia/status/641848881718935553	Sep 10 06:42
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@fcassia: @schestowitz it's surprising that she wasn't smacked. even refugees running from police should have a little pride and self esteem left.		Sep 10 06:42
schestowitz	> http://data.unhcr.org/mediterranean/regional.html	Sep 10 06:47
schestowitz	>	Sep 10 06:47
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-data.unhcr.org \| Refugees/Migrants Emergency Response - Mediterranean - Regional Overview [ http://ur1.ca/nqjkt ]		Sep 10 06:47
schestowitz	> 72% male, yet the news is full of toddlers. Merkel has doomed Europe to	Sep 10 06:47
schestowitz	> internal war. Makes sense if you think about who benefits monetarily.	Sep 10 06:47
schestowitz	I heard the theory that it's design to distract the population from class war (focusing on race instead).	Sep 10 06:47
schestowitz	https://twitter.com/fcassia/status/641851731488440320	Sep 10 06:55
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@fcassia: @schestowitz "Here is the news.... another action-filled adventure.... all the worst from the World Convention..." https://t.co/v9e8FEaAOJ		Sep 10 06:55
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights--> www.youtube.com \| ELO - Here Is the News - YouTube		Sep 10 06:55
schestowitz	https://twitter.com/fcassia/status/641852606898405376	Sep 10 07:00
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@fcassia: @schestowitz my Hi-Fi VHS version of Pink Floyd's Delicate Sound of Thunder still plays. And doesn't clog my bandwidth while I'm watching :p		Sep 10 07:00
schestowitz	https://twitter.com/fcassia/status/641852907487383552	Sep 10 07:00
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@fcassia: @schestowitz and then we become http://t.co/cDhpk3g1KM		Sep 10 07:00
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@fcassia: @schestowitz and then we become http://t.co/cDhpk3g1KM		Sep 10 07:00
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines GNOME 3.20 to Get a Redesigned Print Dialog	Sep 10 07:16
TweetTuxMachines	http://t.co/NJBHm0EWDv (linux.softpedia.com)	Sep 10 07:16
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/nqjw6	Sep 10 07:16
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-linux.softpedia.com \| GNOME 3.20 to Get a Redesigned Print Dialog - Softpedia		Sep 10 07:16
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Spice Vulnerability Closes in Ubuntu 15.04 and	Sep 10 07:19
TweetTuxMachines	Ubuntu 14.04 LTS http://t.co/NjgqKtw791	Sep 10 07:19
TweetTuxMachines	(linux.softpedia.com)	Sep 10 07:19
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Sailfish OS 2.0 UI Now In Early Access	Sep 10 07:19
TweetTuxMachines	http://t.co/zJGUKJEyKA (www.phoronix.com)	Sep 10 07:19
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/nqjxk	Sep 10 07:19
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines DNF 1.1.1 and DNF-PLUGINS-CORE 0.1.11 Released	Sep 10 07:19
TweetTuxMachines	http://t.co/hgSjrfEJ3F (dnf.baseurl.org)	Sep 10 07:19
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/nqjxl	Sep 10 07:19
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Qt 5.6 Alpha released http://t.co/RpEB0IGVap	Sep 10 08:34
TweetTuxMachines	(blog.qt.io)	Sep 10 08:34
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/nqkt9	Sep 10 08:34
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-blog.qt.io \| Qt 5.6 Alpha released - Qt Blog		Sep 10 08:34
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Toradex preps first Freescale i.MX7-based COMs	Sep 10 08:35
TweetTuxMachines	http://t.co/X3VVJYlffQ (linuxgizmos.com)	Sep 10 08:35
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-linuxgizmos.com \| Toradex preps first Freescale i.MX7-based COMs · LinuxGizmos.com		Sep 10 08:35
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/nqkta	Sep 10 08:35
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Top 5 Upcoming Linux-Based Smartphone Operating	Sep 10 08:35
TweetTuxMachines	Systems http://t.co/NKvAh1Fk6U (www.linux.com)	Sep 10 08:35
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/nqktc	Sep 10 08:35
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.linux.com \| Top 5 Upcoming Linux-Based Smartphone Operating Systems \| Linux.com		Sep 10 08:35
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines For the iPhone 6s, Apple stole some of	Sep 10 08:35
TweetTuxMachines	Android's best ideas and tried to improve on	Sep 10 08:35
TweetTuxMachines	them http://t.co/OM3DKeCNCO	Sep 10 08:35
TweetTuxMachines	(www.tuxmachines.org)	Sep 10 08:35
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/nqkte	Sep 10 08:35
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org \| For the iPhone 6s, Apple stole some of Android's best ideas and tried to improve on them \| Tux Machines		Sep 10 08:35
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Canonical Patches Critical Linux Kernel	Sep 10 08:35
TweetTuxMachines	Vulnerability in Ubuntu 15.04, Update Now	Sep 10 08:35
TweetTuxMachines	http://t.co/mAKKZc8Qhg (www.tuxmachines.org)	Sep 10 08:35
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/nqktl	Sep 10 08:35
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org \| Canonical Patches Critical Linux Kernel Vulnerability in Ubuntu 15.04, Update Now \| Tux Machines		Sep 10 08:35
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Introducing Pi-Cubes, Ubuntu Snappy	Sep 10 08:35
TweetTuxMachines	Core-Powered HVAC Automation System	Sep 10 08:35
TweetTuxMachines	http://t.co/tY671GNFIA (www.tuxmachines.org)	Sep 10 08:35
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/nqkto	Sep 10 08:35
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org \| Introducing Pi-Cubes, Ubuntu Snappy Core-Powered HVAC Automation System \| Tux Machines		Sep 10 08:35
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Node.js Fork is Done as Node v 4.0.0 Released	Sep 10 08:58
TweetTuxMachines	http://t.co/Y70udBcHZ9 (www.tuxmachines.org)	Sep 10 08:58
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/nql1r	Sep 10 08:58
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org \| Node.js Fork is Done as Node v 4.0.0 Released \| Tux Machines		Sep 10 08:58
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Manjaro Linux Xfce 15.09 Release Candidate 2 Is	Sep 10 08:58
TweetTuxMachines	Now Available for Download	Sep 10 08:58
TweetTuxMachines	http://t.co/bQNFqgxjss (www.tuxmachines.org)	Sep 10 08:58
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/nql1v	Sep 10 08:58
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org \| Manjaro Linux Xfce 15.09 Release Candidate 2 Is Now Available for Download \| Tux Machines		Sep 10 08:58
*TweetTuxMachines @ameanmbot retweeted @tuxmachines: 'Node.js Fork is Done as Node v 4.0.0...'		Sep 10 08:58
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines The Mycroft AI Still Needs Your Help to Land on	Sep 10 09:08
TweetTuxMachines	the Linux Desktop http://t.co/0sE9frLapc	Sep 10 09:08
TweetTuxMachines	(news.softpedia.com)	Sep 10 09:08
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-news.softpedia.com \| The Mycroft AI Still Needs Your Help to Land on the Linux Desktop - Softpedia		Sep 10 09:08
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/nql5t	Sep 10 09:08
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Linux Foundation Diversity Scholarship Profile:	Sep 10 09:08
TweetTuxMachines	Bonnie King https://t.co/uKwIHggSps	Sep 10 09:08
TweetTuxMachines	(www.linux.com)	Sep 10 09:08
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/nql5u	Sep 10 09:08
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.linux.com \| Linux Foundation Diversity Scholarship Profile: Bonnie King \| Linux.com		Sep 10 09:08
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines For the iPhone 6s, Apple stole some of	Sep 10 09:08
TweetTuxMachines	Android's best ideas and tried to improve on	Sep 10 09:08
TweetTuxMachines	them http://t.co/r66O26MeGU (phandroid.com)	Sep 10 09:08
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-phandroid.com \| For the iPhone 6s, Apple stole some of Android’s best ideas and tried to improve on them		Sep 10 09:08
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/nql5w	Sep 10 09:08
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Canonical Patches Critical Linux Kernel	Sep 10 09:16
TweetTuxMachines	Vulnerability in Ubuntu 15.04, Update Now	Sep 10 09:16
TweetTuxMachines	http://t.co/Of48J3TaF9 (news.softpedia.com)	Sep 10 09:16
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/nql8q	Sep 10 09:16
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-news.softpedia.com \| Canonical Patches Critical Linux Kernel Vulnerability in Ubuntu 15.04, Update Now - Softpedia		Sep 10 09:16
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Introducing Pi-Cubes, Ubuntu Snappy	Sep 10 09:16
TweetTuxMachines	Core-Powered HVAC Automation System	Sep 10 09:16
TweetTuxMachines	http://t.co/tov9kmDHqr (news.softpedia.com)	Sep 10 09:16
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/nql8r	Sep 10 09:16
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-news.softpedia.com \| Introducing Pi-Cubes, Ubuntu Snappy Core-Powered HVAC Automation System - Softpedia		Sep 10 09:16
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Manjaro Linux Xfce 15.09 Release Candidate 2 Is	Sep 10 09:16
TweetTuxMachines	Now Available for Download	Sep 10 09:16
TweetTuxMachines	http://t.co/IYcpCl1Mc6 (news.softpedia.com)	Sep 10 09:16
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/nql8s	Sep 10 09:16
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-news.softpedia.com \| Manjaro Linux Xfce 15.09 Release Candidate 2 Is Now Available for Download - Softpedia		Sep 10 09:16
schestowitz	MinceR: https://www.joindiaspora.com/posts/6575888	Sep 10 09:20
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: Hungarian nationalist TV camera operator filmed kicking refugee http://www.theguardian.com/world/2015/sep/08/hungarian-nationalist-tv-camera-operator-filmed-kicking-refugee-children maybe inspired by #jobbik or #orban (the "fascist")		Sep 10 09:20
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights--> www.theguardian.com \| Hungarian nationalist TV camera operator filmed kicking refugee children \| World news \| The Guardian [ http://ur1.ca/nqbgu ]		Sep 10 09:20
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schestowitz	https://twitter.com/FOSSpatents/status/641897602557063168	Sep 10 10:04
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@FOSSpatents: @schestowitz quoted you extensively in latest post		Sep 10 10:04
schestowitz	> http://www.datamation.com/open-source/should-windows-be-linuxs-design-model.html	Sep 10 10:16
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.datamation.com \| Should Windows Be Linux's Design Model? - Datamation [ http://ur1.ca/nqlvu ]		Sep 10 10:16
schestowitz	>	Sep 10 10:16
schestowitz	> hell no	Sep 10 10:16
schestowitz	The title was chosen by my former boss to provoke, to attract hits. It's his style, framing it as questions...	Sep 10 10:16
schestowitz	https://twitter.com/SleepyPenguin1/status/641903148907528192	Sep 10 10:21
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@SleepyPenguin1: Using Internet Exploder 9 @schestowitz in an office in Sheffield. Winduhs 7. Yes!! It's crashed again !		Sep 10 10:21
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Manjaro Linux KDE 15.09 RC2 Has KDE Plasma 5.4	Sep 10 10:42
TweetTuxMachines	and KDE Applications 15.08	Sep 10 10:42
TweetTuxMachines	http://t.co/yVGfpsX4cj (linux.softpedia.com)	Sep 10 10:42
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-linux.softpedia.com \| Tiny Core Linux 6.4 Gets New ASCII Penguin, Available for Download Now - Softpedia		Sep 10 10:42
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/nqm66	Sep 10 10:42
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Manjaro Linux KDE 15.09 RC2 Has KDE Plasma 5.4	Sep 10 10:42
TweetTuxMachines	and KDE Applications 15.08	Sep 10 10:42
TweetTuxMachines	http://t.co/CB0KMwwZ6O (news.softpedia.com)	Sep 10 10:42
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-news.softpedia.com \| Manjaro Linux KDE 15.09 RC2 Has KDE Plasma 5.4 and KDE Applications 15.08 - Softpedia		Sep 10 10:42
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/nqm67	Sep 10 10:42
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Tiny Core Linux 6.4 Gets New ASCII Penguin,	Sep 10 10:42
TweetTuxMachines	Available for Download Now	Sep 10 10:42
TweetTuxMachines	http://t.co/yVGfpsX4cj (linux.softpedia.com)	Sep 10 10:42
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/nqm68	Sep 10 10:42
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Tiny Core Linux 6.4 Gets New ASCII Penguin,	Sep 10 10:42
TweetTuxMachines	Available for Download Now	Sep 10 10:42
TweetTuxMachines	http://t.co/fKNQwVKoLo (www.tuxmachines.org)	Sep 10 10:42
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/nqm6d	Sep 10 10:42
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org \| Tiny Core Linux 6.4 Gets New ASCII Penguin, Available for Download Now \| Tux Machines		Sep 10 10:42
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines The Mycroft AI Still Needs Your Help to Land on	Sep 10 10:43
TweetTuxMachines	the Linux Desktop http://t.co/b9X5rK7TJ7	Sep 10 10:43
TweetTuxMachines	(www.tuxmachines.org)	Sep 10 10:43
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org \| The Mycroft AI Still Needs Your Help to Land on the Linux Desktop \| Tux Machines		Sep 10 10:43
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/nqm6e	Sep 10 10:43
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Linux Foundation Diversity Scholarship Profile:	Sep 10 10:43
TweetTuxMachines	Bonnie King http://t.co/Fa3uYXWf7F	Sep 10 10:43
TweetTuxMachines	(www.tuxmachines.org)	Sep 10 10:43
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org \| Linux Foundation Diversity Scholarship Profile: Bonnie King \| Tux Machines		Sep 10 10:43
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MinceR	043612 < cubexyz> my other idea of using two serial ports for two serial terminals won't work	Sep 10 13:13
MinceR	why not?	Sep 10 13:13
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Should Windows Be Linux's Design Model?	Sep 10 13:23
TweetTuxMachines	http://t.co/9ZFQd90paP (www.tuxmachines.org)	Sep 10 13:23
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org \| Should Windows Be Linux's Design Model? \| Tux Machines		Sep 10 13:23
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Linux Kernel Developer Workspaces Video: Hans	Sep 10 13:23
TweetTuxMachines	Verkuil http://t.co/m4r0SxzUgv	Sep 10 13:23
TweetTuxMachines	(www.tuxmachines.org)	Sep 10 13:23
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org \| Linux Kernel Developer Workspaces Video: Hans Verkuil \| Tux Machines		Sep 10 13:23
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Teaching big data processing with open source	Sep 10 13:23
TweetTuxMachines	software http://t.co/uOTL2qGW15	Sep 10 13:23
TweetTuxMachines	(www.tuxmachines.org)	Sep 10 13:23
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org \| Teaching big data processing with open source software \| Tux Machines		Sep 10 13:23
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines The Mycroft Voice Recognition AI for Linux	Sep 10 13:23
TweetTuxMachines	Desktops Gets Funded http://t.co/JMagQ0ukvX	Sep 10 13:23
TweetTuxMachines	(www.tuxmachines.org)	Sep 10 13:23
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org \| The Mycroft Voice Recognition AI for Linux Desktops Gets Funded \| Tux Machines		Sep 10 13:23
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Beware of Open Source Software Zombies	Sep 10 13:24
TweetTuxMachines	http://t.co/Bawbq8thml (www.tuxmachines.org)	Sep 10 13:24
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org \| Beware of Open Source Software Zombies \| Tux Machines		Sep 10 13:24
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines 5 open source alternatives to Gmail	Sep 10 13:24
TweetTuxMachines	http://t.co/0mRIuTb65t (www.tuxmachines.org)	Sep 10 13:24
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/nqnu9	Sep 10 13:24
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org \| 5 open source alternatives to Gmail \| Tux Machines		Sep 10 13:24
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines SteamOS Brewmaster Based on Debian 8 Prepares	Sep 10 13:36
TweetTuxMachines	for Screen Magnification http://t.co/5eO13xS3Ub	Sep 10 13:36
TweetTuxMachines	(www.tuxmachines.org)	Sep 10 13:36
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org \| SteamOS Brewmaster Based on Debian 8 Prepares for Screen Magnification \| Tux Machines		Sep 10 13:36
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/nqnzq	Sep 10 13:36
*TweetTuxMachines @johanlouwers favourited 'The Mycroft Voice Recognition AI for Linux Desktops...'		Sep 10 13:36
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MinceR	http://www.datamation.com/open-source/should-windows-be-linuxs-design-model.html	Sep 10 13:49
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.datamation.com \| Should Windows Be Linux's Design Model? - Datamation [ http://ur1.ca/nqlvu ]		Sep 10 13:49
MinceR	funny, _now_ he doesn't want windows in */linux?	Sep 10 13:49
msb__	I got my CPU core temps from 73C down to 51 and 60C by blowing the dust out of the heatsink. Didn't have to shut it down. I got these "eraser sticks" and if you take out the cap and the eraser core you get a cylinder and nozzle that makes a high-speed stream of air when you blow into it. I blew thru the CPU fan into the heatsink, which being an aftermarket job had wider spacing between the fins. After I finished choking on the	Sep 10 13:50
msb__	dust (from the fans, too) it was much cooler.	Sep 10 13:50
MinceR	doesn't that run the risk of generating current in the fan?	Sep 10 13:51
msb__	No, it doesn't even change the fan rotational speed.	Sep 10 13:52
msb__	I hadn't looked at the temperature graphs in the sys monitor for months, and when I did they were much higher than I remembered.	Sep 10 13:53
msb__	How about using the MS butterfly as the design model for a Linux trashcan?	Sep 10 13:54
MinceR	:)	Sep 10 13:55
msb__	The air stream I was blowing in was only about 1/4 inch diameter, and the fan is about 4-5 inches diameter.	Sep 10 13:55
msb__	MinceR: Has the day come when you could look at that David Korten video? You said recently that crApple users can't think, and you've said that people want to be slaves, but _you_ are a person and you don't want to be a slave. Neither do the other people who speak up here, and many more out on the Net.	Sep 10 14:01
MinceR	i think it has	Sep 10 14:01
MinceR	i viewed a couple of videos yesterday	Sep 10 14:01
msb__	https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jPiZJ5N9TkY	Sep 10 14:02
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.youtube.com \| David Korten - The Great Turning - YouTube [ http://ur1.ca/grbde ]		Sep 10 14:02
MinceR	(i downloaded a lot of videos into the same directory, with the intent of eventually viewing them)	Sep 10 14:02
MinceR	http://news.mit.edu/2015/first-new-cache-coherence-mechanism-30-years-0910	Sep 10 14:04
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-news.mit.edu \| First new cache-coherence mechanism in 30 years \| MIT News [ http://ur1.ca/nqobd ]		Sep 10 14:04
msb__	I've been getting halts in streaming from youtube lately, so you might want to download it with youtube-dl and watch it from your disk.	Sep 10 14:04
MinceR	i did that	Sep 10 14:05
MinceR	video playing is a lot smoother and easier on the hardware if i don't do it with a browser	Sep 10 14:05
msb__	Youtube-dl doesn't use the browser, and it gives you a choice of the various formats the video comes in. The ones that are about 360 pixels high show all the detail (to my old eyes) and are about 1/4 the size of the 720 high. -F shows the formats and -f n lets you choose one,	Sep 10 14:09
MinceR	i know	Sep 10 14:09
msb__	The download time is much less than the viewing time of the video. I sometimes get 2MBytes/sec download.	Sep 10 14:11
MinceR	http://hijinksensue.com/comic/surface-tension/	Sep 10 14:12
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights- ( status 403 @ http://hijinksensue.com/comic/surface-tension/ )		Sep 10 14:12
msb__	Everybody copies everyone else. In a sane society that would be considered a good thing (but not saying you had invented it).	Sep 10 14:15
msb__	Using other people's good ideas is how technology and civilization evolve.	Sep 10 14:16
MinceR	https://www.hrw.org/news/2015/09/01/letter-obama-regarding-plan-close-guantanamo-bay-detention-facility	Sep 10 14:16
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.hrw.org \| Letter to Obama regarding plan to close the Guantanamo Bay detention facility \| Human Rights Watch [ http://ur1.ca/nqogl ]		Sep 10 14:16
MinceR	yes, but crApple is the one that keeps screaming that they invented everything and they'll sue everyone else, including the ones who did it before them	Sep 10 14:17
MinceR	https://github.com/systemd/systemd/issues/1205	Sep 10 14:17
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-github.com \| systemd fails to provide a proper rescue prompt · Issue #1205 · systemd/systemd · GitHub [ http://ur1.ca/nqoh8 ]		Sep 10 14:17
msb__	If high-level government officials actually guilty of war crimes were to end up in a supermax prison, it would include the two previous US presidents and the current one.	Sep 10 14:20
MinceR	they'll get away with it	Sep 10 14:21
msb__	Was it Apple that tried to sue someone over a rectangular screen with rounded corners?	Sep 10 14:21
MinceR	indeed	Sep 10 14:21
MinceR	they sued samsung	Sep 10 14:21
MinceR	even though samsung sold such devices before crApple did	Sep 10 14:21
MinceR	and so did others	Sep 10 14:21
msb__	Etch-a-Sketch sold devices before crApple did.	Sep 10 14:22
MinceR	the samsung F700 looked about as similar to the hypePhone as the galaxy S, for which crApple sued samsung	Sep 10 14:22
MinceR	the F700 was released before the first hypePhone	Sep 10 14:22
MinceR	also, the LG Prada was also similar enough, and that too came out before the hypePhone	Sep 10 14:23
MinceR	the crApple cult keeps saying that crApple invented the capacitive touchscreen	Sep 10 14:23
MinceR	but the LG Prada had one before the hypePhone	Sep 10 14:23
MinceR	Samsung sold picture frames that looked like some Samsung tablets and the hypePad from the front (close enough to be sued) before either, and they still got attacked for "stealing" the design of the hypePad	Sep 10 14:24
cubexyz	MinceR, ah I tried something a bit silly	Sep 10 14:24
msb__	Apple has come a long way since the days of Woz, all downhill.	Sep 10 14:24
MinceR	also, crApple stole the design of the hypePhone from Sony	Sep 10 14:24
MinceR	woz is a nutcase	Sep 10 14:25
msb__	How so?	Sep 10 14:25
MinceR	he can't decide whether to attack free software or not	Sep 10 14:25
cubexyz	using one serial cable to go in both directions didn't work	Sep 10 14:25
MinceR	to woz, free software is about people not wanting to pay for stuff	Sep 10 14:25
MinceR	cubexyz: i see	Sep 10 14:25
cubexyz	so next time I'll just use two serial cables on two serial ports for two serial terminals	Sep 10 14:25
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cubexyz	vector box to openbsd and openbsd to vector box	Sep 10 14:26
MinceR	crApple also regularly steals designs from Braun	Sep 10 14:26
cubexyz	MinceR, but didn't woz invent the PC? :)	Sep 10 14:27
MinceR	he didn't invent shit	Sep 10 14:27
MinceR	crApple can't even invent brands	Sep 10 14:27
cubexyz	give him some credit for the Apple 1	Sep 10 14:27
msb__	He invented that nice NTSC color circuit for the Apple II.	Sep 10 14:27
MinceR	the iPhone was a cisco/linksys product	Sep 10 14:28
MinceR	IOS was a cisco OS	Sep 10 14:28
MinceR	iPAD was a Fujitsu product	Sep 10 14:28
MinceR	nobody cares about the stupid ntsc color circuit	Sep 10 14:29
MinceR	afaik nobody else used it	Sep 10 14:29
cubexyz	there were PAL and SECAM Apple II's	Sep 10 14:29
cubexyz	Australians used PAL version I think	Sep 10 14:30
MinceR	and then there was this >> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Apple_III#Design_flaws	Sep 10 14:30
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-en.wikipedia.org \| Apple III - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia [ http://ur1.ca/nqon2 ]		Sep 10 14:30
cubexyz	I hate how wikipedia forces https	Sep 10 14:31
MinceR	why?	Sep 10 14:31
MinceR	keeps spooks from knowing what you read and screwing with the contents	Sep 10 14:31
cubexyz	well, it just means I can't use a low memory browser like Dillo	Sep 10 14:31
msb__	MinceR: It was a brilliant invention using only 1 or 2 standard chips.	Sep 10 14:31
MinceR	and results in greater backlash on countries that would censor it	Sep 10 14:31
MinceR	even low memory browsers should support TLS in 2015	Sep 10 14:32
cubexyz	ok, well X11 forwarding to the rescue then	Sep 10 14:32
MinceR	:)	Sep 10 14:32
cubexyz	those were Apple III design flaws though	Sep 10 14:32
MinceR	indeed	Sep 10 14:32
cubexyz	the Apple II, although over-priced, was a decent machine	Sep 10 14:33
MinceR	and they targeted their products exclusively at idiots starting with the Lisa	Sep 10 14:33
msb__	Well Apple did invent the window-icon-menu-pointer paradigm used in the Lisa.	Sep 10 14:34
msb__	Oh, wait.	Sep 10 14:34
MinceR	lol	Sep 10 14:34
cubexyz	no... Xerox PARC dude :)	Sep 10 14:35
cubexyz	Xerox Alto and Xerox Star were before Lisa	Sep 10 14:35
msb__	cubexyz: I know -- just kidding.	Sep 10 14:35
cubexyz	I still remember it appearing in SciAm	Sep 10 14:35
MinceR	not Douglas Engelbart might have done some work on those before he went to Xerox PARC	Sep 10 14:35
MinceR	i don't know	Sep 10 14:35
msb__	But at the West Coast Computer Faire when the Lisa was first demoed, I took notes.	Sep 10 14:35
MinceR	s/^not //	Sep 10 14:35
cubexyz	Stanford Research also deserves a lot of credit	Sep 10 14:38
msb__	I want a voice-input device for my computer so I can tell it to compute pi to the last decimal place.	Sep 10 14:38
MinceR	lol	Sep 10 14:38
cubexyz	http://www.maxhost.org/other/w-window-system.gif	Sep 10 14:39
msb__	I think the first mouse was made on a piece of wood.	Sep 10 14:39
msb__	I use one of these. It's great and it looks like a one-eyed alien slug. https://secure.logitech.com/en-us/product/trackman-marble	Sep 10 14:43
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-secure.logitech.com \| Logitech - Trackman Marble Trackball [ http://ur1.ca/nqosz ]		Sep 10 14:43
MinceR	i seem to remember such a picture	Sep 10 14:43
MinceR	it also had two wheels instead of a ball	Sep 10 14:43
cubexyz	that's right	Sep 10 14:43
MinceR	https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Altair_8800	Sep 10 14:43
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-en.wikipedia.org \| Altair 8800 - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia [ http://ur1.ca/nqot5 ]		Sep 10 14:43
MinceR	"the first successful personal computer", according to wikipedia	Sep 10 14:43
MinceR	(referred at https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Motorola_6800#Personal_computers )	Sep 10 14:44
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-en.wikipedia.org \| Motorola 6800 - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia [ http://ur1.ca/nqoth ]		Sep 10 14:44
cubexyz	assuming you don't count the IBM 5100	Sep 10 14:44
cubexyz	or the IMSAI 8080 :)	Sep 10 14:44
MinceR	maybe they don't think those were successful :)	Sep 10 14:45
cubexyz	the Sphere computer was cheaper and came out the same year	Sep 10 14:45
cubexyz	and you could buy a monitor for it	Sep 10 14:46
cubexyz	there were a bunch of ones from 1976 that did 32x16 text	Sep 10 14:46
msb__	No, _this_ was the first personal computer: http://cosmicpenguin.com/images/pc_of_future.jpg	Sep 10 14:47
cubexyz	no, I'm not clicking on that again :)	Sep 10 14:47
MinceR	wikipedia says the 8800 came out before the 5100 and the 8080	Sep 10 14:47
MinceR	:)	Sep 10 14:47
msb__	Note steering wheel for games!	Sep 10 14:47
MinceR	i don't think that was for games	Sep 10 14:47
msb__	Or steering your submarine.	Sep 10 14:48
MinceR	:)	Sep 10 14:48
cubexyz	ok...Mark-8 was 1974, before the Altair	Sep 10 14:48
cubexyz	and the Xerox Alto II was before Altair :)	Sep 10 14:49
MinceR	nice	Sep 10 14:49
cubexyz	and there was that Canadian machine, I'm trying to remember	Sep 10 14:50
cubexyz	oh yeah	Sep 10 14:50
cubexyz	MCM/70	Sep 10 14:50
cubexyz	I forget what year, but it was definitely before Altair	Sep 10 14:50
MinceR	the Alto was too expensive to be a home computer though, wasn't it?	Sep 10 14:50
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cubexyz	first built in 1973	Sep 10 14:50
cubexyz	http://www.maxhost.org/other/altairs-suck.jpg	Sep 10 14:51
MinceR	:D	Sep 10 14:51
cubexyz	not everybody liked Altair :)	Sep 10 14:51
cubexyz	yeah, the Alto was like $20K or something	Sep 10 14:51
cubexyz	https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MCM/70	Sep 10 14:52
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-en.wikipedia.org \| MCM/70 - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia		Sep 10 14:52
msb__	That picture from SWTP or whatever -- their machine used a 6502 and was hell to program.	Sep 10 14:52
msb__	But very cheap.	Sep 10 14:53
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cubexyz	Altair 8800 was $439 US in kit form	Sep 10 14:53
msb__	Basically 8-bit addressing. Aggh!	Sep 10 14:53
cubexyz	$621 assembled	Sep 10 14:53
cubexyz	did it use bank switching or something because without 16-bit addressing you can only address 256 bytes of memory	Sep 10 14:57
cubexyz	wait, 6502 has 16-bit addressing	Sep 10 14:57
msb__	But for most instructions you could only access one particular 256 byte page at a time.	Sep 10 14:59
MinceR	sounds like the "registers" of the PIC	Sep 10 15:00
MinceR	that thing was hell to program	Sep 10 15:00
msb__	6502 was best programmed in BASIC.	Sep 10 15:01
cubexyz	well if you were writing a chess program you probably would have had to use assembly language	Sep 10 15:03
cubexyz	or at least BASIC compiled + assembler	Sep 10 15:03
cubexyz	that's what I did for my early cube programs	Sep 10 15:04
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cubexyz	it was a primitive environment to be sure	Sep 10 15:05
cubexyz	disk IO was very slow	Sep 10 15:05
cubexyz	but at least I understood most of the machine	Sep 10 15:06
msb__	I set up one of those SWTP boxes as a satellite to a DG Eclipse computer. The little one would take data rapidly from an A/D converter measuring some experiment parameter, and then send it slowly over a serial line to the Eclipse. Ah, there it is: http://www.swtpc.com/mholley/	Sep 10 15:06
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cubexyz	in the early 1980s just having a computer in the home was quite a novelty	Sep 10 15:07
cubexyz	surely you learned 6502 assembly language?	Sep 10 15:09
msb__	The 6502 box program was loaded from a standard audio tape recorder, with the help of an improved circuit from this great guy who had a monthly column in maybe Popular Electronics. I can't remember his name.	Sep 10 15:09
cubexyz	of course, in 1975 I wonder if they even had an assembler for it	Sep 10 15:09
cubexyz	I know the Unix assembler goes back to the PDP-7 era	Sep 10 15:10
msb__	Don Lancaster! He's still there! http://www.tinaja.com/	Sep 10 15:10
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tinaja.com \| Don Lancaster's Guru's Lair		Sep 10 15:10
cubexyz	given a choice I'll rather have a PDP-11/20 :)	Sep 10 15:12
msb__	And pay 100 times as much for it.	Sep 10 15:19
cubexyz	I couldn't afford anything in 1975 anyways	Sep 10 15:20
cubexyz	not even the SWTP computer	Sep 10 15:20
msb__	The idea was to have one of these $200 6502 boxes in each lab, each one communicating to the Eclipse via a serial line. It was a good sharing of resources.	Sep 10 15:21
msb__	The audio tape drive interface on the SWTP box didn't really work until I put Don Lancaster's circuit mod on it.	Sep 10 15:22
cubexyz	I assume it had rom basic, so when you turned it on it was in basic?	Sep 10 15:23
msb__	It was like having a bunch of PDP-8 satellite computers, but at a tiny fraction of the cost.	Sep 10 15:23
msb__	Probably, but I don't remember.	Sep 10 15:24
cubexyz	which OS did the Eclipse use?	Sep 10 15:24
msb__	The old one, not the good one, but beyond that...	Sep 10 15:25
cubexyz	no Unix I guess	Sep 10 15:25
cubexyz	can't recall any Unix port to that machine	Sep 10 15:25
msb__	No, maybe the new good one had Unix.	Sep 10 15:25
cubexyz	Interdata 7/32, PDP-11, and later on Vax 780	Sep 10 15:27
cubexyz	wikipedia says AOS for Eclipse	Sep 10 15:27
msb__	I personally specified that Eclipse computer, and arranged with the broker to get a particular machine with the specs we needed. But the UCSF purchasing department rewrote the order, eliminating my details. The one we got was all wrong, and the broker had already sold the good one to Communist China. Presumably for guiding their ICBMs.	Sep 10 15:28
cubexyz	ah, there was MV/UX which was Unix under AOS/VS	Sep 10 15:29
msb__	I think AOS was the newer OS.	Sep 10 15:29
cubexyz	so they did have it later on	Sep 10 15:29
msb__	The old one was maybe DGOS or something.	Sep 10 15:29
msb__	Hey, it had Fortran!	Sep 10 15:29
msb__	I got pretty good at Fortran.	Sep 10 15:30
cubexyz	it's still used	Sep 10 15:30
cubexyz	although I haven't used it in ages	Sep 10 15:30
msb__	It's the only thing for submarine steering wheels!	Sep 10 15:31
-NickServ-roy__!~schestowi@host86-157-132-162.range86-157.btcentralplus.com has just authenticated as you (schestowitz)		Sep 10 15:35
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msb__	Back then I think there was some weird trick you had to use for addressing arrays, which was subsequently fixed.	Sep 10 15:36
cubexyz	I remember some very early BASICs had 256-byte limited arrays	Sep 10 15:37
cubexyz	or limited to 256 elements at least	Sep 10 15:37
amarsh04	also worth a read of "the soul of a new machine" on the 32-bit version of the Eclipse	Sep 10 15:50
schestowitz	>>> >> PS. Citizenfour was on TV last night on a main channel. It was ok but	Sep 10 16:02
schestowitz	>>> >> my Brazilian is not good enough to do more than get the gist of what was	Sep 10 16:02
schestowitz	>>> >> said towards the end. I have the feeling that the details there were	Sep 10 16:02
schestowitz	>>> >> important.	Sep 10 16:02
schestowitz	>> >	Sep 10 16:02
schestowitz	>> > The impact of the Snowden leaks has been sunsetting as of late (this summer)	Sep 10 16:02
schestowitz	> There's only so much time to spread around on various crises. Of late,	Sep 10 16:02
schestowitz	> TISA, ISDS, and TTIP are finally getting noticed locally. I just	Sep 10 16:02
schestowitz	> forwarded some Glyn Moody articles to someone the other day as a result.	Sep 10 16:02
schestowitz	> I'm glad he had those available. However, the politicians here are	Sep 10 16:02
schestowitz	> apparently completely unaware of TTIP and co.	Sep 10 16:02
schestowitz	Ignorance leads to apathy, which leads to inaction.	Sep 10 16:02
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: "The problem isn't running in the foreground, but systemd's process group handling." https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=783683 yes, #systemd in #debian		Sep 10 16:23
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schestowitz	Cronos: systemd removed a bunch of kill-s is scripts that might have also broken your system in odd and unexpected ways. So this one packaging bug means that systemd is broken?	Sep 10 16:23
schestowitz	Dr. Roy: no. This bug didn’t cause crond not to run. Crond was restarted properly.	Sep 10 16:23
schestowitz	"	Sep 10 16:23
schestowitz	"	Sep 10 16:23
schestowitz	As I said, in all these many years I have been working with Linux servers I remember broken systems after upgrading apache, PHP, the kernel, Gnome … But no, no init upgrade comes to my mind breaking things. Also I give those projects the benefit of the doubt, I can see the Linux kernel today is a lot better than the Linux kernel 5 years ago.	Sep 10 16:23
schestowitz	In the case of systemd, I’m still to see the benefits of so many changes and broken things.	Sep 10 16:23
schestowitz	"	Sep 10 16:23
schestowitz	https://joindiaspora.com/posts/6577370	Sep 10 16:23
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: The number of scripts & number of DOMAINS that #scribd links to with #javascript is astounding. It's like #spying is their business model.		Sep 10 16:23
schestowitz	"	Sep 10 16:23
schestowitz	Well, giving document hosting for free might not be profitable. =)	Sep 10 16:23
schestowitz	By the way I do not like scribd.	Sep 10 16:23
schestowitz	"	Sep 10 16:23
schestowitz	I do not like PDF, either.	Sep 10 16:23
schestowitz	https://joindiaspora.com/posts/6515918	Sep 10 16:24
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: Sadly, to quite a lot of people RMS is a "nuisance" for starting the system which they use for free, Torvalds a celebrated hero. #gnu #linux		Sep 10 16:24
schestowitz	"So what positives are there to Systemd, if any?"	Sep 10 16:24
schestowitz	The systemd developers might be the best people to ask and I doubt even they can give a good answer.	Sep 10 16:24
MinceR	they can give lies, though	Sep 10 16:28
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Viper550	Microsoft REALLY wants people to use Vista 10. www.theinquirer.net/inquirer/news/2425381/microsoft-is-downloading-windows-10-to-your-machine-just-in-case	Sep 10 16:39
MinceR	this makes me glad my computers are not part of the m$ botnet	Sep 10 16:40
Viper550	but thenagain, I personally think the latest article is a little ... exaggerated. The so-called "universal reset" is just a checkbox enabled by default. I believe they call those a Dark Pattern	Sep 10 16:41
Viper550	http://darkpatterns.org/windows-8-1-installation-february-2014/	Sep 10 16:42
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MinceR	Dark Pattern sounds evil enough	Sep 10 16:42
schestowitz	https://twitter.com/glynmoody/status/641999983772872704	Sep 10 16:44
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@glynmoody: @schestowitz thanks, that's good to hear; another big article coming up soon...		Sep 10 16:44
schestowitz	Viper550: wow	Sep 10 16:50
schestowitz	interesting, I've just shared that	Sep 10 16:50
Viper550	that is IF they have automatic updates enabled	Sep 10 16:50
schestowitz	does it get future versions of Windows too?	Sep 10 16:51
schestowitz	And if this in the EULA?	Sep 10 16:51
msb__	It's like "Genuine Advantage", which is an advantage for MS, but can be disaster for the user.	Sep 10 16:53
MinceR	not sure if it's really an advantage even for m$	Sep 10 16:56
MinceR	they're idiots, they can't plan ahead	Sep 10 16:56
MinceR	then again, most people are idiots, so they're easy to manipulate and mislead	Sep 10 16:56
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Viper550	oh, and I read through slashdot comments and found this gem:	Sep 10 17:04
Viper550	“On other news, linux distributions started downloading systemd to users that did not want it.”	Sep 10 17:05
MinceR	lol	Sep 10 17:05
schestowitz	ha	Sep 10 17:05
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Viper550	and Debian's peddling telemetry too, something innocously called "popularity-contest"	Sep 10 17:07
MinceR	it asks you on install and it's off by default, iirc	Sep 10 17:07
MinceR	also, m$ calling spying "telemetry" is an insult to actual telemetry	Sep 10 17:08
MinceR	afaik it's a bit more difficult than what m$'s code monkeys do in the breaks between eating glue	Sep 10 17:08
Viper550	/sarcasm	Sep 10 17:11
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DaemonFC	I got a letter from Sprint. They said I didn't return my femtocell and that I'll owe them $140 if I don't. I have the return receipt right here in my email.	Sep 10 17:16
MinceR	http://imgur.com/gallery/McQfOfb	Sep 10 17:18
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-imgur.com \| Just do it, you won't regret - GIF on Imgur		Sep 10 17:18
schestowitz	https://joindiaspora.com/posts/6577726	Sep 10 17:21
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: The world increasingly needs #privacy and for this we need #freesw (no back doors). Effective whistleblowers can't exist without privacy.		Sep 10 17:21
schestowitz	"But we must fight surveiilance politically - we mustn’t accept surveillence as a principle. We shouldn’t be put on the back foot. Without court orders, invasion of privacy must be a crime - whether committed by private, corporate or state persons."	Sep 10 17:21
schestowitz	Good reasons to support ACLU, EFF, Privacy Int. etc.	Sep 10 17:21
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schestowitz	https://joindiaspora.com/posts/6577705	Sep 10 17:25
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: If media #propaganda continues in the #uk those who 'dare' to question the potency (never mind legality) of drone strikes will be "enemy"		Sep 10 17:25
schestowitz	"We are all the enemy, hence the security measures. Those who dare question are the Oliver Twists not ACCEPTING the state of affairs - therefore they are selected for special treatment - some get bribed - former dissidents are valuable - the Big Brother theme - resistance is futile - you will love Big Brother."	Sep 10 17:25
schestowitz	remaining dissidents will feel isolated, unsupported, and then be called "crazy"	Sep 10 17:25
schestowitz	https://twitter.com/agente_smithe/status/642010794310418432	Sep 10 17:26
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@agente_smithe: @schestowitz You bet, systemd is the winblow$ 8 of Linux.		Sep 10 17:26
schestowitz	[17:07] <MinceR> it asks you on install and it's off by default, iirc	Sep 10 17:26
schestowitz	it is	Sep 10 17:26
schestowitz	so a little different	Sep 10 17:26
schestowitz	also used for other purposes	Sep 10 17:26
schestowitz	and the info gets published to the user	Sep 10 17:26
schestowitz	bot hoarded for intel' purposes	Sep 10 17:26
schestowitz	https://twitter.com/iridesce57/status/642011055175168000	Sep 10 17:27
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@iridesce57: @schestowitz I'm sure its in the mind numbing portion of the EULA		Sep 10 17:27
msb__	MinceR: Most people are NOT idiots! They are trained to obey authority and believe what they are told. People are easily programmed, especially when they're only told one side of an issue, and they're told repeatedly, from different sources. But that's what the American Empire does. It puts out the same stories through multiple corporate newspapers and TV stations. It's been called "The Mighty Wurlitzer" -- a powerful sound you	Sep 10 17:30
msb__	hear no matter which way you turn. So people believe it, whether it's from government or corporations. This is what Edward Bernays told them to do to control people.	Sep 10 17:30
MinceR	yet they fall for shit like religions	Sep 10 17:32
msb__	MinceR: Societies did not always control people like this. It started about 5,000 years ago with the JCI religions. Please read The Chalice and the Blade by Riane Eisler.	Sep 10 17:32
MinceR	it's on my list	Sep 10 17:33
msb__	Do you have a copy?	Sep 10 17:33
MinceR	not yet	Sep 10 17:33
MinceR	it's not on libgen, afaict	Sep 10 17:33
MinceR	also, i doubt it hasn't occurred to anyone before judaism	Sep 10 17:35
MinceR	do you have an epub or a pdf or a djvu, etc?	Sep 10 17:36
*TweetTuxMachines @vytautas_a favourited 'Human Interface Guidelines (HIG) for the Unix shell...'		Sep 10 17:39
*TweetTuxMachines @vytautas_a favourited 'Human Interface Guidelines (HIG) for the Unix shell...'		Sep 10 17:39
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines SparkyLinux - Lightweight & fast Debian-based	Sep 10 17:39
TweetTuxMachines	Linux Distribution http://t.co/U7MbD4uOAw	Sep 10 17:39
TweetTuxMachines	(www.tuxmachines.org)	Sep 10 17:39
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org \| SparkyLinux - Lightweight & fast Debian-based Linux Distribution \| Tux Machines		Sep 10 17:39
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Five Stunning Ubuntu Alternatives That You’ve	Sep 10 17:39
TweetTuxMachines	Never Heard Of http://t.co/KsCz1SI2kq	Sep 10 17:39
TweetTuxMachines	(www.tuxmachines.org)	Sep 10 17:39
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org \| Five Stunning Ubuntu Alternatives That You’ve Never Heard Of \| Tux Machines		Sep 10 17:39
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines SUSE – “Will not diverge from its Open Source	Sep 10 17:39
TweetTuxMachines	roots!” http://t.co/8qIzVbz4Lc	Sep 10 17:39
TweetTuxMachines	(www.tuxmachines.org)	Sep 10 17:39
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org \| SUSE – “Will not diverge from its Open Source roots!” \| Tux Machines		Sep 10 17:39
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MinceR	i've found a pdf	Sep 10 17:40
schestowitz	https://twitter.com/jurasick/status/642014755822170114 https://twitter.com/jurasick/status/642015273315401728	Sep 10 17:43
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@jurasick: @schestowitz Trump said yesterday "if I am president, US will win so much, Americans will get tired of winning"!! Or that he would get (1/2)		Sep 10 17:43
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@jurasick: @schestowitz 4 Americans imprisoned in Iran released before he gets to the White House!! Trump's blow hardness knows no bounds! (2/2)		Sep 10 17:43
MinceR	and that extreme blowhardness apparently works with many people	Sep 10 17:44
msb__	Imagine him with huge red banners behind him with swastikas on them.	Sep 10 17:47
msb__	"Winning" is almost almost always wrong. Because if somebody "wins" then somebody else loses.	Sep 10 17:49
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Trying Out The Open-Source NVIDIA/Nouveau	Sep 10 17:50
TweetTuxMachines	Driver Rework In Linux 4.3	Sep 10 17:50
TweetTuxMachines	http://t.co/An350Y0r3j (www.tuxmachines.org)	Sep 10 17:50
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org \| Trying Out The Open-Source NVIDIA/Nouveau Driver Rework In Linux 4.3 \| Tux Machines		Sep 10 17:50
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines elementary OS Is Really Trying to Make Me Hate	Sep 10 17:50
TweetTuxMachines	It and It's Succeeding http://t.co/u12Rxd4eBa	Sep 10 17:50
TweetTuxMachines	(www.tuxmachines.org)	Sep 10 17:50
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org \| elementary OS Is Really Trying to Make Me Hate It and It's Succeeding \| Tux Machines		Sep 10 17:50
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Today in Techrights http://t.co/Zcch6qamVO	Sep 10 17:50
TweetTuxMachines	(www.tuxmachines.org)	Sep 10 17:50
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msb__	tRump is starting to scare me. There may be enough programmed people in the US to vote him in. And he will antagonize the rest of the world.	Sep 10 17:53
MinceR	so, no change	Sep 10 17:54
MinceR	republican business as usual	Sep 10 17:54
MinceR	which is little different from democrat business as usual	Sep 10 17:54
msb__	Will I have to vote for Hillary Clinton, the murderer of Libya, to keep him out? Gack!	Sep 10 17:54
MinceR	not if you manage to get Lessig or Sanders get the democrat nomination	Sep 10 17:55
schestowitz	https://twitter.com/jurasick/status/642016803091283968	Sep 10 17:55
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@jurasick: @schestowitz here they all are! http://t.co/CT7Y8CQJqE. What a man, what a joke. Makes me want to give up on democracy!		Sep 10 17:55
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights--> uproxx.com \| Donald Trump’s Most Outrageous Quotes From His Protest On Capitol Hill		Sep 10 17:55
MinceR	also, there are other parties	Sep 10 17:55
MinceR	like the greens and the libertarians	Sep 10 17:55
msb__	True on both counts. But I thin tRump is a lot smarter than George W Bush, who seemed to have a below-average intelligence. And tRump is a lot more bold, too.	Sep 10 17:55
MinceR	according to Scott Adams, Trump is using NLP	Sep 10 17:56
schestowitz	Trump would reinforce the perception of US as arrogant	Sep 10 17:56
schestowitz	that might wake more nations up	Sep 10 17:56
schestowitz	bad for USians though	Sep 10 17:56
msb__	In the American two-party winner-take-all system, minority parties have no chance and no power.	Sep 10 17:56
MinceR	close to no chance	Sep 10 17:56
MinceR	but if the people realize that there's not much of a difference between the two big parties, this can change	Sep 10 17:57
schestowitz	heh. Maybe Bill gates will run for democrats	Sep 10 17:57
MinceR	lol	Sep 10 17:57
schestowitz	to 'save the day'	Sep 10 17:57
schestowitz	Monsanto for free.... to everyone	Sep 10 17:57
schestowitz	and MS spyware as mandatory	Sep 10 17:57
schestowitz	executive order	Sep 10 17:57
msb__	"not much of a difference" will just make them choose one of the two at random.	Sep 10 17:58
MinceR	also, trump might only be posturing to win the republican nomination	Sep 10 17:58
MinceR	he may become less extreme once that's done	Sep 10 17:58
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Should Windows Be Linux's Design Model?	Sep 10 17:58
TweetTuxMachines	http://t.co/q0D2CzGgLp (www.datamation.com)	Sep 10 17:58
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.datamation.com \| Should Windows Be Linux's Design Model? - Datamation		Sep 10 17:58
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Linux Kernel Developer Workspaces Video: Hans	Sep 10 17:58
TweetTuxMachines	Verkuil http://t.co/dUp6wvDZtJ (www.linux.com)	Sep 10 17:58
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.linux.com \| Linux Kernel Developer Workspaces Video: Hans Verkuil \| Linux.com		Sep 10 17:58
MinceR	no, if they really understood that, they'd be looking for real alternatives	Sep 10 17:58
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Lollipop chews off 21% of Android devices	Sep 10 17:59
TweetTuxMachines	http://t.co/d7EhQHyBRv (www.cnet.com)	Sep 10 17:59
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.cnet.com \| Lollipop chews off 21% of Android devices - CNET		Sep 10 17:59
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msb__	Wishful thinking, since we know he has it in him.	Sep 10 17:59
msb__	If they really understood things, they'd be supporting Bernie Sanders.	Sep 10 17:59
MinceR	and of course the people could initiate a new Constitutional Convention and fix the election system	Sep 10 18:00
MinceR	http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-Ih554K9omt4/VfGNxF1iRJI/AAAAAAAAaWE/EtVUhrbziPU/s1600/funny-english-language-united-states.jpg	Sep 10 18:00
msb__	Too drastic for it to ever happen.	Sep 10 18:00
msb__	Good one!	Sep 10 18:02
MinceR	there was even a hypothesis that trump is only trying to get the republican nomination to help his friend hillary clinton get elected	Sep 10 18:03
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines elementary OS Is Really Trying to Make Me Hate	Sep 10 18:04
TweetTuxMachines	It and It's Succeeding http://t.co/HVruJQJ0IA	Sep 10 18:04
TweetTuxMachines	(news.softpedia.com)	Sep 10 18:04
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-news.softpedia.com \| elementary OS Is Really Trying to Make Me Hate It and It's Succeeding - Softpedia		Sep 10 18:04
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Trying Out The Open-Source NVIDIA/Nouveau	Sep 10 18:04
TweetTuxMachines	Driver Rework In Linux 4.3	Sep 10 18:04
TweetTuxMachines	http://t.co/ZJDbnS7MBN (www.phoronix.com)	Sep 10 18:04
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/nqrkv	Sep 10 18:04
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.phoronix.com \| Trying Out The Open-Source NVIDIA/Nouveau Driver Rework In Linux 4.3 - Phoronix		Sep 10 18:04
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Five Stunning Ubuntu Alternatives That You’ve	Sep 10 18:04
TweetTuxMachines	Never Heard Of http://t.co/rPFBGKnKXi	Sep 10 18:04
TweetTuxMachines	(www.makeuseof.com)	Sep 10 18:04
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.makeuseof.com \| Five Stunning Ubuntu Alternatives That You've Never Heard Of		Sep 10 18:04
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/nqrkw	Sep 10 18:04
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines SparkyLinux - Lightweight & fast Debian-based	Sep 10 18:05
TweetTuxMachines	Linux Distribution http://t.co/B0QOu6F5nG	Sep 10 18:05
TweetTuxMachines	(www.kitploit.com)	Sep 10 18:05
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.kitploit.com \| SparkyLinux - Lightweight & fast Debian-based Linux Distribution		Sep 10 18:05
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/nqrkx	Sep 10 18:05
msb__	Wowie! Fifty new Linux distros that will give you an orgasmic user experience and they all have systemd!	Sep 10 18:06
MinceR	lol	Sep 10 18:07
MinceR	fifty new linux distros are nearly the same!	Sep 10 18:07
MinceR	and once systemdnf comes out, they can just slap their logo on the fedora iso and they're good to go.	Sep 10 18:07
msb__	You'll love it until Big Brother appears on your screen flashing at the alpha frequency and totally controlling your mind.	Sep 10 18:08
MinceR	my mind is not so easy to control	Sep 10 18:08
msb__	Well, you're not using systemd, either.	Sep 10 18:09
MinceR	indeed	Sep 10 18:09
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Qt To Get Possible Speech Recognition API	Sep 10 18:15
TweetTuxMachines	http://t.co/F2x14SkO4q (www.phoronix.com)	Sep 10 18:15
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/nqrqi	Sep 10 18:15
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.phoronix.com \| Qt To Get Possible Speech Recognition API - Phoronix		Sep 10 18:15
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines The Mycroft Voice Recognition AI for Linux	Sep 10 18:15
TweetTuxMachines	Desktops Gets Funded http://t.co/eG37lEVn84	Sep 10 18:15
TweetTuxMachines	(news.softpedia.com)	Sep 10 18:15
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-news.softpedia.com \| The Mycroft Voice Recognition AI for Linux Desktops Gets Funded - Softpedia		Sep 10 18:15
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/nqrqj	Sep 10 18:15
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines SteamOS Brewmaster Based on Debian 8 Prepares	Sep 10 18:16
TweetTuxMachines	for Screen Magnification http://t.co/AGB6eLr3sm	Sep 10 18:16
TweetTuxMachines	(news.softpedia.com)	Sep 10 18:16
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-news.softpedia.com \| SteamOS Brewmaster Based on Debian 8 Prepares for Screen Magnification - Softpedia		Sep 10 18:16
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/nqrqk	Sep 10 18:16
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Ubuntu Desktop Lead Working to Get New	Sep 10 18:22
TweetTuxMachines	Important Feature for Disabled Users	Sep 10 18:22
TweetTuxMachines	http://t.co/GxHKo3xPZc (news.softpedia.com)	Sep 10 18:22
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-news.softpedia.com \| Ubuntu Desktop Lead Working to Get New Important Feature for Disabled Users - Softpedia		Sep 10 18:22
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Hands-on: Testing more Linux distributions on	Sep 10 18:22
TweetTuxMachines	my Aspire V3-331 http://t.co/wUVINiciw6	Sep 10 18:22
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.zdnet.com \| Hands-on: Testing more Linux distributions on my Aspire V3-331 \| ZDNet		Sep 10 18:22
TweetTuxMachines	(www.zdnet.com)	Sep 10 18:22
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Ubuntu Touch Received Sync, Messaging,	Sep 10 18:22
TweetTuxMachines	Telephony, and Browser Improvements	Sep 10 18:22
TweetTuxMachines	http://t.co/b7TXOlKHYU (news.softpedia.com)	Sep 10 18:22
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/nqrua	Sep 10 18:23
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-news.softpedia.com \| Ubuntu Touch Received Sync, Messaging, Telephony, and Browser Improvements - Softpedia		Sep 10 18:23
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Linux builds with Vagrant and Steam Runtime	Sep 10 18:24
TweetTuxMachines	http://t.co/YcoYvUfFn4 (www.gamasutra.com)	Sep 10 18:24
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/nqrvc	Sep 10 18:24
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.gamasutra.com \| Gamasutra: Nick Gravelyn's Blog - Linux builds with Vagrant and Steam Runtime		Sep 10 18:24
*TweetTuxMachines @abeerschool retweeted @tuxmachines: 'SteamOS Brewmaster Based on Debian 8 Prepares for...'		Sep 10 18:24
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Canonical Video Showcases Scopes Interface	Sep 10 18:31
TweetTuxMachines	Feature for Ubuntu Phones	Sep 10 18:31
TweetTuxMachines	http://t.co/yOg1IMO2wI (thevarguy.com)	Sep 10 18:31
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-thevarguy.com \| Canonical Video Showcases Scopes Interface Feature for Ubuntu Phones \| Open Source Application Software Companies content from The VAR Guy		Sep 10 18:31
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Falldown for Ubuntu Phone Hits the Streets, a	Sep 10 18:31
TweetTuxMachines	Fast-Paced and Addictive Game	Sep 10 18:31
TweetTuxMachines	http://t.co/f6y2TKsnfI (linux.softpedia.com)	Sep 10 18:31
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines DigiKam 4.13.0 Released, Install/Upgrade In	Sep 10 19:02
TweetTuxMachines	Ubuntu/Linux Mint Or Derivatives	Sep 10 19:02
TweetTuxMachines	http://t.co/690ZABV2ZW (www.tuxmachines.org)	Sep 10 19:02
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines The X First Aid Kit For Linux	Sep 10 19:02
TweetTuxMachines	http://t.co/IldaIAUOUx (www.tuxmachines.org)	Sep 10 19:02
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schestowitz	https://twitter.com/stepansmith/status/642030147047161856 https://twitter.com/stepansmith/status/642030287719923712 https://twitter.com/stepansmith/status/642030428182958080	Sep 10 19:03
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@stepansmith: @schestowitz They deserve all they get, when they call it privacy respecting, even though it has a backdoor: http://t.co/wq5OlUFnFz		Sep 10 19:03
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights--> libreboot.org \| Answers to Frequently Asked Questions about libreboot		Sep 10 19:03
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@stepansmith: @schestowitz Librem has a backdoor in it. http://t.co/wq5OlUFnFz		Sep 10 19:03
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@stepansmith: @VisibilityShift @schestowitz @Puri_sm No, they're not. They can't. See http://t.co/Y2o7Oh238t		Sep 10 19:03
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schestowitz	https://twitter.com/Puri_sm/status/642031099216982018	Sep 10 19:04
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@Puri_sm: @stepansmith @VisibilityShift @schestowitz http://t.co/YBDq3twEOn		Sep 10 19:04
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@Puri_sm: @stepansmith @VisibilityShift @schestowitz http://t.co/YBDq3twEOn		Sep 10 19:04
schestowitz	https://twitter.com/stepansmith/status/642032845242941440 https://twitter.com/stepansmith/status/642032936133480448	Sep 10 19:04
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@stepansmith: @Puri_sm @VisibilityShift @schestowitz No, it really is impossible. http://t.co/Y2o7Oh238t		Sep 10 19:04
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@stepansmith: @Puri_sm @VisibilityShift @schestowitz No, it really is impossible for Purism to provide freedom. For real. http://t.co/Y2o7Oh238t		Sep 10 19:04
schestowitz	Is @ioerror still on board?	Sep 10 19:05
schestowitz	https://twitter.com/VisibilityShift/status/626081158841831427	Sep 10 19:05
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@VisibilityShift: @schestowitz @puri_sm is working to be first computer with FSF Respect Your Freedoms certification https://t.co/AbbbgNjLm4		Sep 10 19:05
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-SSL connect error ( status 0 @ https://puri.sm/road-to-fsf-ryf-endorsement-and-beyond/ )		Sep 10 19:05
schestowitz	https://twitter.com/stepansmith/status/642032936133480448 https://twitter.com/stepansmith/status/642032845242941440	Sep 10 19:06
schestowitz	https://twitter.com/Puri_sm/status/642034628224684032	Sep 10 19:06
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@Puri_sm: @stepansmith @schestowitz We are 100% committed to creating a 100% free (as in freedom) computer. #opensource http://t.co/AXyFncMgNU		Sep 10 19:06
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@Puri_sm: @stepansmith @schestowitz We are 100% committed to creating a 100% free (as in freedom) computer. #opensource http://t.co/AXyFncMgNU		Sep 10 19:06
schestowitz	https://twitter.com/stepansmith/status/642035805544968192 https://twitter.com/stepansmith/status/642035930946215936 https://twitter.com/stepansmith/status/642036321951838208	Sep 10 19:06
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@stepansmith: @Puri_sm @schestowitz Lack of humility is also seen in small men. You can't admit that your laptops are proprietary. http://t.co/Y2o7Oh238t		Sep 10 19:07
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@stepansmith: @Puri_sm @schestowitz And, more specifically, that you don't admit that these issues can't be solved. http://t.co/pxCA8UniNJ		Sep 10 19:07
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights--> libreboot.org \| Answers to Frequently Asked Questions about libreboot		Sep 10 19:07
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@stepansmith: @schestowitz @Puri_sm @VisibilityShift @ioerror I don't know.		Sep 10 19:07
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MinceR	http://imgur.com/gallery/IXO2EhL	Sep 10 19:30
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schestowitz	https://twitter.com/We3forDemocracy/status/642042992732209152	Sep 10 19:33
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@We3forDemocracy: @schestowitz The answer to political blackmail is for the black mailed to publicly announce the issue and the black mailer.		Sep 10 19:33
schestowitz	But that ignore the nature of blackmail. See the movie where Russell Crowe shown this working in two ways: 'Broken City'	Sep 10 19:35
schestowitz	*shows	Sep 10 19:35
schestowitz	But that ignore the nature of blackmail. See the movie where Russell Crowe shows this working in two ways: 'Broken City'	Sep 10 19:36
schestowitz	https://twitter.com/We3forDemocracy/status/642043130758365184	Sep 10 19:36
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@We3forDemocracy: @schestowitz The police are likely initially useless in political blackmail because they may be involved.		Sep 10 19:36
schestowitz	Policepeople too can be controlled by blackmail, manipulating them in all sorts of ways from up above	Sep 10 19:37
schestowitz	https://twitter.com/We3forDemocracy/status/642043425148170240	Sep 10 19:38
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@We3forDemocracy: @schestowitz Forget what the circumstances were, but Angela Merkel publicly reported blackmail by U.S.		Sep 10 19:38
schestowitz	https://twitter.com/We3forDemocracy/status/642044572575526912	Sep 10 19:39
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@We3forDemocracy: @schestowitz Once blackmailable secrets o politicos & officials are in the open, the power 2 destroy the victim's & nation's life is reduced		Sep 10 19:39
schestowitz	But it can also undermine these politicians for good. That's why many people refuse to enter politics in the first place: fear	Sep 10 19:40
schestowitz	https://twitter.com/We3forDemocracy/status/642044844907433984	Sep 10 19:40
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@We3forDemocracy: @schestowitz If politicians and officials give in to blackmail, it's like the Mafia - they will be led to do further and greater wrongs.		Sep 10 19:40
schestowitz	yes, so better stop mass surveillance, before dealing with remedies after the act	Sep 10 19:41
schestowitz	https://twitter.com/We3forDemocracy/status/642045229667717121	Sep 10 19:42
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@We3forDemocracy: @schestowitz The police R particularly disposed to blackmail (which is a form of corrupt action) Anyone in a position of power or wealth is		Sep 10 19:42
schestowitz	https://www.joindiaspora.com/posts/6578346	Sep 10 19:51
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@conobs@diasp.de reshared: Audio and video with #XJadeo http://opensource.com/life/15/9/audio-and-video-xjadeo #freesw		Sep 10 19:51
schestowitz	"Some good notes I’ll need to take into practice."	Sep 10 19:51
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights--> opensource.com \| Using XJadeo to handle audio and video \| Opensource.com [ http://ur1.ca/nqt2c ]		Sep 10 19:51
schestowitz	https://www.joindiaspora.com/posts/6578373	Sep 10 19:52
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: A lot of people have, at one point in their life, felt depressed/down; some were curious enough to read up about suicide. Spies collect this		Sep 10 19:52
schestowitz	"I never found any good information on it. All the search results seem to be anti-suicide propaganda."	Sep 10 19:52
schestowitz	"+1 ^"	Sep 10 19:52
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Free Software Foundation seeks nominations for	Sep 10 19:57
TweetTuxMachines	18th annual Free Software Awards	Sep 10 19:57
TweetTuxMachines	http://t.co/T8mWb6Rksk (www.tuxmachines.org)	Sep 10 19:57
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Red Hat, Citrix-backed accelerator selects 12	Sep 10 19:57
TweetTuxMachines	startups http://t.co/NYnXe7Ye8W	Sep 10 19:57
TweetTuxMachines	(www.tuxmachines.org)	Sep 10 19:57
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org \| Red Hat, Citrix-backed accelerator selects 12 startups \| Tux Machines		Sep 10 19:57
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Ubuntu Desktop Lead Working to Get New	Sep 10 19:57
TweetTuxMachines	Important Feature for Disabled Users	Sep 10 19:57
TweetTuxMachines	http://t.co/eN1PYN37Cz (www.tuxmachines.org)	Sep 10 19:57
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schestowitz	https://twitter.com/We3forDemocracy/status/642052083785461760 https://twitter.com/We3forDemocracy/status/642052403110350848	Sep 10 20:10
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@We3forDemocracy: @schestowitz If that happens (though public can be surprisingly accommodating) they no longer have to live in fear or be forced to do wrong		Sep 10 20:10
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@We3forDemocracy: @schestowitz If a politician is being blackmailed by another nation; IMO their own nation, is more likely to be outraged against perpetrator		Sep 10 20:10
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Red Hat, Citrix-backed accelerator selects 12	Sep 10 20:17
TweetTuxMachines	startups http://t.co/orrjC7W2td	Sep 10 20:17
TweetTuxMachines	(www.bizjournals.com)	Sep 10 20:17
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.bizjournals.com \| Red Hat, Citrix-backed accelerator selects 12 startups - Triangle Business Journal		Sep 10 20:17
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Tiny COM runs Linux on quad-core 64-bit	Sep 10 20:17
TweetTuxMachines	Snapdragon 410 http://t.co/wwxXHT4MI4	Sep 10 20:17
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-linuxgizmos.com \| Tiny COM runs Linux on quad-core 64-bit Snapdragon 410 · LinuxGizmos.com		Sep 10 20:17
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TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/nqtc1	Sep 10 20:17
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Grim Fandango Remastered Is Now 66% Off on	Sep 10 20:17
TweetTuxMachines	Steam for Linux http://t.co/Z8dvuY4zqb	Sep 10 20:17
TweetTuxMachines	(linux.softpedia.com)	Sep 10 20:17
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-linux.softpedia.com \| Grim Fandango Remastered Is Now 66% Off on Steam for Linux - Softpedia		Sep 10 20:17
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Exclusive Interview: Rancher Labs Founder Sheng	Sep 10 20:31
TweetTuxMachines	Liang http://t.co/YPFkRY3IPo (www.linux.com)	Sep 10 20:31
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.linux.com \| Exclusive Interview: Rancher Labs Founder Sheng Liang \| Linux.com		Sep 10 20:31
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Cutelyst 0.10.0 released!	Sep 10 20:31
TweetTuxMachines	https://t.co/jE1sWVMZ1I (dantti.wordpress.com)	Sep 10 20:31
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-dantti.wordpress.com \| Cutelyst 0.10.0 released! \| Dantti's Blog		Sep 10 20:31
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines KDE Plasma 5.4.1 Now Powers Kubuntu 15.10	Sep 10 20:31
TweetTuxMachines	http://t.co/kv7ns08wD6 (linux.softpedia.com)	Sep 10 20:31
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-linux.softpedia.com \| KDE Plasma 5.4.1 Now Powers Kubuntu 15.10 - Softpedia		Sep 10 20:31
TweetTuxMachines	http://t.co/epeHgZo8nX (wire.kubuntu.org)	Sep 10 20:31
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-wire.kubuntu.org \| Plasma 5.4.1 lands in Kubuntu Wily \| Kubuntu Wire		Sep 10 20:31
schestowitz	https://twitter.com/agente_smithe/status/642060658150932480	Sep 10 20:44
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@agente_smithe: @schestowitz The KDE folks lost their way with those semantic desktop tools... Ugh.		Sep 10 20:44
schestowitz	I always kill them all (disabling it not enough) when starting my kde session	Sep 10 20:44
schestowitz	https://twitter.com/We3forDemocracy/status/642060904700362752	Sep 10 20:45
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@We3forDemocracy: @schestowitz Need to deal with blackmail consequences now, so politicians can act pro-public; or Big Brother will not be defeated.		Sep 10 20:45
schestowitz	Right now Big Brother/Military is stronger than Five Eyes governments; strong lobby, bogus intel' to suit agenda	Sep 10 20:45
Sosumi	http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2015-09-10/why-apple’s-launch-event-was-creepy-hell	Sep 10 20:50
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.zerohedge.com \| NO TITLE [ http://ur1.ca/nqtol ]		Sep 10 20:50
XRevan86	Apple presented something?	Sep 10 20:51
Sosumi	related to yesterday's apple event	Sep 10 20:51
Sosumi	"The Apple Launch is a closed circle of fawning sycophants, thrilled with gimmicks, adapted to computers, programmed, a throng of identical authentic individuals chained to their machines and congratulating themselves on being ‘connected,’ led by a human that resembles a robot.	Sep 10 20:52
Sosumi	Two hours of watching the Apple Launch actually made the Manson Family seem homey."	Sep 10 20:52
Sosumi	and it is all true	Sep 10 20:52
Sosumi	when they announced the stylus	Sep 10 20:52
Sosumi	and I saw them clapping	Sep 10 20:53
Sosumi	all I could think of was "stab me"	Sep 10 20:53
XRevan86	Sosumi: Oh my, Apple invented a stylus.	Sep 10 20:53
XRevan86	finally	Sep 10 20:53
Sosumi	it's called the apple pen	Sep 10 20:54
Sosumi	$99 for a piece of plastic	Sep 10 20:54
Sosumi	and they all applauded	Sep 10 20:54
XRevan86	Sosumi: I don't have enough sarcasm left.	Sep 10 20:54
Sosumi	seriously, common sense, earth, raptor jesus...	Sep 10 20:55
Sosumi	what a bunch of idiots	Sep 10 20:55
Sosumi	*iDiots	Sep 10 20:55
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines How Debian and other open-source projects are	Sep 10 20:56
TweetTuxMachines	making software more trustworthy	Sep 10 20:56
TweetTuxMachines	http://t.co/9Ihkk5u610 (www.pcworld.com)	Sep 10 20:56
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.pcworld.com \| How Debian and other open-source projects are making software more trustworthy \| PCWorld		Sep 10 20:56
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines The Dwarves, Superb Fantasy RPG from KING Art	Sep 10 20:57
TweetTuxMachines	Games, to Get a Linux Launch	Sep 10 20:57
TweetTuxMachines	http://t.co/R8aeIPIW35 (news.softpedia.com)	Sep 10 20:57
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-news.softpedia.com \| The Dwarves, Superb Fantasy RPG from KING Art Games, to Get a Linux Launch - Softpedia		Sep 10 20:57
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Moksha Modules and Ultimate Gaming	Sep 10 20:57
TweetTuxMachines	http://t.co/IH2y2L3Eo6 (ostatic.com)	Sep 10 20:57
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/nqtqi	Sep 10 20:57
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-ostatic.com \| Moksha Modules and Ultimate Gaming		Sep 10 20:57
schestowitz	https://twitter.com/sjvn/status/642063270011125760	Sep 10 20:57
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@sjvn: @schestowitz We'll have to agree to disagree on this one. The old MSFT employees are either out the door or going, the new ones are open.		Sep 10 20:57
schestowitz	not the ones I know, depends who you're left to speak to	Sep 10 20:58
schestowitz	But I nod to the "agree to disagree on this one." No two persons agree 100% of the time, not even me and @TechJournalist - that's fine	Sep 10 20:59
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XRevan86	Sosumi: This is sick.	Sep 10 21:02
Sosumi	what is sick?	Sep 10 21:02
XRevan86	Sosumi: Apple-lovers.	Sep 10 21:03
Sosumi	ha	Sep 10 21:03
XRevan86	Sosumi: Not opposing them obviously :).	Sep 10 21:03
Sosumi	let them eat cake, I suppose	Sep 10 21:03
Sosumi	and then throw jokes at them	Sep 10 21:04
XRevan86	Sosumi: I suppose, Apple did some things a proper government would consider destructive.	Sep 10 21:06
XRevan86	therefore, no cake	Sep 10 21:06
Sosumi	:)	Sep 10 21:07
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines KDE Connect: "more than 60 people have	Sep 10 21:07
TweetTuxMachines	contributed code patches... ttranslated to 26	Sep 10 21:07
TweetTuxMachines	languages!" https://t.co/n7IxoYmyDw	Sep 10 21:07
TweetTuxMachines	(albertvaka.wordpress.com)	Sep 10 21:07
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-albertvaka.wordpress.com \| KDE Connect 2nd anniversary and Beta program \| Albert Vaca's blog		Sep 10 21:07
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Look and Feel of Plasma sidebars	Sep 10 21:07
TweetTuxMachines	http://t.co/pHqeBeE4J4 (user-prompt.com)	Sep 10 21:07
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-user-prompt.com \| Look and Feel of Plasma sidebars \| User Prompt – Psychologic IT Expertise		Sep 10 21:07
XRevan86	But instead, they're like… invulnerable.	Sep 10 21:08
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Gryphon Knight Epic Shoot 'Em Up Released For	Sep 10 21:08
TweetTuxMachines	Linux, It’s Pretty Terrible Right Now	Sep 10 21:08
TweetTuxMachines	http://t.co/HaafPnNM0r (www.gamingonlinux.com)	Sep 10 21:08
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.gamingonlinux.com \| Gryphon Knight Epic Shoot 'Em Up Released For Linux, It’s Pretty Terrible Right Now \| GamingOnLinux		Sep 10 21:08
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines "The Stanley Parable has finally been released	Sep 10 21:09
TweetTuxMachines	for Linux after a bit of a delay"	Sep 10 21:09
TweetTuxMachines	http://t.co/rAck7EY4fS (www.gamingonlinux.com)	Sep 10 21:09
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XRevan86	Apple going down? I wouldn't believe it even if I see it.	Sep 10 21:09
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.gamingonlinux.com \| The Stanley Parable Released For Linux, You Will Play It, You Won’t Play It \| GamingOnLinux		Sep 10 21:09
schestowitz	https://twitter.com/sjvn/status/642066198784540672	Sep 10 21:11
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@sjvn: @schestowitz I'm finding more and more of them who actually Get "open source" & many them are in places where they can make a difference		Sep 10 21:11
schestowitz	Well, meanwhile Microsoft continues to attack Linux from many directions, including attacks on Android	Sep 10 21:12
XRevan86	and so, Microsoft can do whatever they want as well	Sep 10 21:12
XRevan86	Every scheme is allowed unless it's too obvious (therefore, people won't eat the pill) or can harm the gov.	Sep 10 21:13
XRevan86	or can harm some corporations with lawsuit guys.	Sep 10 21:15
XRevan86	But then again, why expect governments to do something while they're involved in it as well.	Sep 10 21:17
XRevan86	It's not like a smart thought, just anger.	Sep 10 21:19
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XRevan86	Sosumi: I'm not always that stupid.	Sep 10 21:22
DaemonFC	https://www.amazon.com/forum/politics/ref=cm_cd_et_md_pl?_encoding=UTF8&cdForum=Fx1S3QSZRUL93V8&cdMsgID=Mx3FFKSLMAZG4RI&cdMsgNo=14&cdPage=1&cdSort=oldest&cdThread=Tx15Z2QXMDKATFF#Mx3FFKSLMAZG4RI	Sep 10 21:23
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.amazon.com \| Amazon.com: Customer Discussions: Homosexuality used to be accepted in most of Africa, until Christianity brought condemnation with it. [ http://ur1.ca/nqtz5 ]		Sep 10 21:23
DaemonFC	I copied one of my Facebook posts into that topic.	Sep 10 21:23
DaemonFC	My favorite part was: Numbers 16:41-49 - God kills 14,000 people for complaining that God keeps killing so many people.	Sep 10 21:24
DaemonFC	Ryan Farmer - I remember hearing the story of a Chinese woman who moved to America and gets PTSD attacks around the holidays because they put her in prison and made her do forced labor for being a Christian. The punishment? Making Christmas tree lights. Christians have it so easy in the United States, and yet they never stop kvetching about anything. It's getting really old.	Sep 10 21:27
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DaemonFC	J. R. Bob Dobbs (formerly ZOMG Pink Ponies) says:	Sep 10 21:30
DaemonFC	I LOL'd at that episode of The Walking Dead where the zombies overran the church and walked through the entrance that says "Whoever eats my flesh and drinks my blood shall have eternal life.".	Sep 10 21:30
msb__	schestowitz: This is a great article! Thanks. I've been there. "The X First Aid Kit For Linux" http://freedompenguin.com/articles/how-to/the-x-first-aid-kit-for-linux/	Sep 10 21:37
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-freedompenguin.com \| The X First Aid Kit For Linux \| Freedom Penguin [ http://ur1.ca/nqu4l ]		Sep 10 21:37
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MinceR	>adapted to computers	Sep 10 21:42
MinceR	i'm not so sure about that bit	Sep 10 21:42
MinceR	also, crApple could have obtained a far better stylus if they got the parts from wacom	Sep 10 21:43
MinceR	a battery in the stylus, ludicrous	Sep 10 21:43
r_schestowitz	https://twitter.com/agente_smithe/status/642076455313215488	Sep 10 21:47
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@agente_smithe: @schestowitz Evangelism ?		Sep 10 21:47
r_schestowitz	another word for the same thing	Sep 10 21:47
r_schestowitz	https://twitter.com/sjvn/status/642077185122127872	Sep 10 21:50
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@sjvn: @schestowitz Unless MSFT can re-invent itself as a cloud power that works with open source--and they are trying--they're headed down & out		Sep 10 21:50
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msb__	DaemonFC: Can Christians kvetch? I thought only we Jews could do that. Anyhow, the big problem with many JCI religionists in the US isn't following the religion themselves. It's that they want to force _everyone_ to obey their religion, like no gay marriage, no abortion, etc. Apparently their afraid that if a few disobey, then Ghod will punish _everyone_. But isn't that collective punishment, like bombing civilians in a war to	Sep 10 21:51
r_schestowitz	Let's not help them recover after what they have done; there are many companies more worthy of positive coverage	Sep 10 21:51
msb__	make them stop their military. (Like Truman nuking Japan.) We mere humans have learned that that's morally wrong. Hasn't Ghod?	Sep 10 21:51
r_schestowitz	https://joindiaspora.com/posts/6578070	Sep 10 21:54
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: Free Software Foundation seeks nominations for 18th annual Free Software Awards http://www.fsf.org/news/free-software-foundation-seeks-nominations-for-18th-annual-free-software-awards #fsf #gnu #freesw		Sep 10 21:54
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights--> www.fsf.org \| Free Software Foundation seeks nominations for 18th annual Free Software Awards — Free Software Foundation — working together for free software [ http://ur1.ca/nquc6 ]		Sep 10 21:54
r_schestowitz	"Bleachbit!!!"	Sep 10 21:55
r_schestowitz	https://twitter.com/JainendraNahata/status/642078171534233604	Sep 10 21:56
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@JainendraNahata: @schestowitz haha.....well not fine exactly sir. 95% of modern machines run UEFI. Btw doesn't Kubuntu support UEFI mode in alpha?		Sep 10 21:56
msb__	r_schestowitz: Bleachbit? Are you kidding? I don't like anything deleting files from my system but me, and I barely trust myself. I like to see the files in mc when I'm deleting them.	Sep 10 21:58
r_schestowitz	same here	Sep 10 22:21
r_schestowitz	but I think you get to what KIND of files get deleted	Sep 10 22:21
r_schestowitz	e.g. tmp	Sep 10 22:22
r_schestowitz	thumbnails..	Sep 10 22:22
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Performance of RAID1 with mix of HDD and SSD	Sep 10 22:25
TweetTuxMachines	http://t.co/EQ1zMPcV9H (miroslav.suchy.cz)	Sep 10 22:25
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/nqupn	Sep 10 22:25
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-miroslav.suchy.cz \| Performance of RAID1 with mix of HDD and SSD \| Miroslav Suchý		Sep 10 22:25
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines ABRT statistics are helping not only in Fedora	Sep 10 22:25
TweetTuxMachines	http://t.co/qc6hD8o8vA (rvokal.livejournal.com)	Sep 10 22:25
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-rvokal.livejournal.com \| ABRT statistics are helping not only in Fedora - </linux>		Sep 10 22:25
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DaemonFC	I accidentally paid the credit card twice.	Sep 10 22:29
DaemonFC	Now I have a negative $109.50 balance. LOL	Sep 10 22:29
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines ABRT statistics are helping not only in Fedora	Sep 10 22:40
TweetTuxMachines	http://t.co/qc6hD8FJn8 (rvokal.livejournal.com)	Sep 10 22:40
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/nquwg	Sep 10 22:40
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines [Developer] Tizen Tools Pre-Release for Ubuntu	Sep 10 22:40
TweetTuxMachines	15.04 http://t.co/jvo1GvVu3I	Sep 10 22:40
TweetTuxMachines	(www.tizenexperts.com)	Sep 10 22:40
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/nquwj	Sep 10 22:40
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tizenexperts.com \| [Developer] Tizen Tools Pre-Release for Ubuntu 15.04 - Tizen Experts		Sep 10 22:40
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines 30 days with Udacity: A fast-paced and	Sep 10 22:40
TweetTuxMachines	challenging path to Android development	Sep 10 22:40
TweetTuxMachines	http://t.co/NNoWPNdpR1 (www.greenbot.com)	Sep 10 22:40
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.greenbot.com \| 30 days with Udacity: A fast-paced and challenging path to Android development \| Greenbot		Sep 10 22:40
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines KDE Plasma 5.4.1 Now Powers Kubuntu 15.10	Sep 10 22:41
TweetTuxMachines	http://t.co/8eACWgPyiH (www.tuxmachines.org)	Sep 10 22:41
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/nquwl	Sep 10 22:41
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org \| KDE Plasma 5.4.1 Now Powers Kubuntu 15.10 \| Tux Machines		Sep 10 22:41
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines UK government backs away from Microsoft, moves	Sep 10 22:41
TweetTuxMachines	closer to Open Document Format	Sep 10 22:41
TweetTuxMachines	http://t.co/cPFIJaWhq8 (www.tuxmachines.org)	Sep 10 22:41
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/nquwm	Sep 10 22:41
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org \| UK government backs away from Microsoft, moves closer to Open Document Format \| Tux Machines		Sep 10 22:41
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Moksha Modules and Ultimate Gaming	Sep 10 22:41
TweetTuxMachines	http://t.co/cdqgbYhDiQ (www.tuxmachines.org)	Sep 10 22:41
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/nquwo	Sep 10 22:41
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org \| Moksha Modules and Ultimate Gaming \| Tux Machines		Sep 10 22:41
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Initial impressions of the ZUK Z1 $300	Sep 10 22:41
TweetTuxMachines	Cyanogen-powered Android smartphone	Sep 10 22:41
TweetTuxMachines	http://t.co/9uFOQzZ8M9 (www.tuxmachines.org)	Sep 10 22:41
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/nquwp	Sep 10 22:41
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org \| Initial impressions of the ZUK Z1 $300 Cyanogen-powered Android smartphone \| Tux Machines		Sep 10 22:41
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DaemonFC	Ryan Farmer	Sep 10 22:47
DaemonFC	Just now ·	Sep 10 22:47
DaemonFC	So some guy on Sprint's page got three iPhones under lease, and didn't read the contract, and now he's pissed because he canceled and owes them $1800.	Sep 10 22:47
DaemonFC	"Early Termination: You may terminate this lease agreement before the end of the lease term by notifying us at least 30 days prior to termination, returning the Goods in good condition and repair, and paying the remaining lease payments due. Failure to return the Goods and pay the remaining lease payments will constitute an Event of Default." Yada yada. It goes on to say that if they cancel the lease agreement, then you are not obligated to	Sep 10 22:47
DaemonFC	make the rest of the payments, but in either case, you must return the Goods.	Sep 10 22:47
DaemonFC	An Event of Default is later described as follows:	Sep 10 22:47
DaemonFC	If you default, you have 30 days to fix the default, or else Sprint might sue you. If Sprint sues you, and the judge rules against you, you will have to pay the balance owed plus any interest, and probably Sprint's court costs and their legal fees.	Sep 10 22:47
DaemonFC	Maybe read that before you get three iPhones, cancel, don't pay them, and then go "What the hell?".	Sep 10 22:47
DaemonFC	I did get Sprint to remove that stupid Airrave from my account and fix the $140 fee they were trying to charge me. I told them that if they didn't that I would dispute $140 of the next credit card statement, and print out the return receipt email and scan that and send it in to my credit card company's dispute resolution department.	Sep 10 22:49
DaemonFC	They fixed it in about 20 minutes after two phone calls to get it off my account over the last couple of months didn't work.	Sep 10 22:49
DaemonFC	Having a credit card has several benefits over paying with a check or a debit card. There's rewards points, enhanced fraud protection, and if a merchant screws you, the card company can take the money back and credit your account.	Sep 10 22:51
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines MATE 1.10 Uploaded in Debian Unstable, Ubuntu	Sep 10 22:56
TweetTuxMachines	Stretch, and Ubuntu 15.10 Repos	Sep 10 22:56
TweetTuxMachines	http://t.co/zqU9qD5Qpv (www.tuxmachines.org)	Sep 10 22:56
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/nqv48	Sep 10 22:56
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org \| MATE 1.10 Uploaded in Debian Unstable, Ubuntu Stretch, and Ubuntu 15.10 Repos \| Tux Machines		Sep 10 22:56
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Where is my Fedora 15 (or how to deal with the	Sep 10 22:57
TweetTuxMachines	disconnect between Fedora and your textbook).	Sep 10 22:57
TweetTuxMachines	http://t.co/RM7ilxyfnf	Sep 10 22:57
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-smoogespace.blogspot.co.uk \| SmoogeSpace: Where is my Fedora 15 (or how to deal with the disconnect between Fedora and your textbook).		Sep 10 22:57
TweetTuxMachines	(smoogespace.blogspot.co.uk)	Sep 10 22:57
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/nqv49	Sep 10 22:57
DaemonFC	J. R. Bob Dobbs (formerly ZOMG Pink Ponies) says:	Sep 10 23:04
DaemonFC	At least Obama can make a speech. Sarah Palin said something about us being nuked by Iranian unicorns that don't want us to change a light bulb, or something. :)	Sep 10 23:04
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines UK government backs away from Microsoft, moves	Sep 10 23:14
TweetTuxMachines	retweeted by closer to Open Document Format	Sep 10 23:14
TweetTuxMachines	@RamiSilawi http://t.co/cPFIJaWhq8 (www.tuxmachines.org)	Sep 10 23:14
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/nqvcq	Sep 10 23:14
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org \| UK government backs away from Microsoft, moves closer to Open Document Format \| Tux Machines		Sep 10 23:14
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Looks Like 'The Escapists' Is Coming To Linux	Sep 10 23:14
TweetTuxMachines	http://t.co/Izdr8dadzM (www.gamingonlinux.com)	Sep 10 23:14
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/nqvcr	Sep 10 23:14
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.gamingonlinux.com \| Looks Like 'The Escapists' Is Coming To Linux \| GamingOnLinux		Sep 10 23:14
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Initial impressions of the ZUK Z1 $300	Sep 10 23:15
TweetTuxMachines	Cyanogen-powered Android smartphone	Sep 10 23:15
TweetTuxMachines	http://t.co/zl9MjB3Cus (www.zdnet.com)	Sep 10 23:15
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.zdnet.com \| Initial impressions of the ZUK Z1 $300 Cyanogen-powered Android smartphone \| ZDNet		Sep 10 23:15
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/nqvcs	Sep 10 23:15
DaemonFC	J. R. Bob Dobbs (formerly ZOMG Pink Ponies) says:	Sep 10 23:38
DaemonFC	They always issue an alert on 9/11 just to remind everyone that they need to be afraid all the time, and that a government that failed to stop so many attacks will protect them.	Sep 10 23:38
DaemonFC	A British meter maid that had a car bomb towed for being illegally parked saved more lives from terrorists than the US government has.	Sep 10 23:38
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines MATE 1.10 Uploaded in Debian Unstable, Ubuntu	Sep 10 23:50
TweetTuxMachines	Stretch, and Ubuntu 15.10 Repos	Sep 10 23:50
TweetTuxMachines	http://t.co/qEqYNc4Thy (linux.softpedia.com)	Sep 10 23:50
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-linux.softpedia.com \| MATE 1.10 Uploaded in Debian Unstable, Ubuntu Stretch, and Ubuntu 15.10 Repos - Softpedia		Sep 10 23:50
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/nqvta	Sep 10 23:50
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines GNOME 3.18 Will Not be Identified as Android	Sep 10 23:50
TweetTuxMachines	When Connecting a Google Account	Sep 10 23:50
TweetTuxMachines	http://t.co/povj3AgQ6b (news.softpedia.com)	Sep 10 23:50
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TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/nqvtc	Sep 10 23:50
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Ubuntu Make Now Lets You Install Only the	Sep 10 23:50
TweetTuxMachines	Android SDK in Ubuntu Linux	Sep 10 23:50
TweetTuxMachines	http://t.co/hEF4FMJEKA (news.softpedia.com)	Sep 10 23:50
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/nqvtd	Sep 10 23:50
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-news.softpedia.com \| Ubuntu Make Now Lets You Install Only the Android SDK in Ubuntu Linux - Softpedia		Sep 10 23:50
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines The Current State Of Debian GNU Hurd	Sep 10 23:51
TweetTuxMachines	http://t.co/1adrvCboNE (www.phoronix.com)	Sep 10 23:51
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/nqvtp	Sep 10 23:51
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.phoronix.com \| The Current State Of Debian GNU Hurd - Phoronix		Sep 10 23:51
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines GhostBSD 10.1 BETA2 now available	Sep 10 23:51
TweetTuxMachines	http://t.co/qglZA97zD3 (www.tuxmachines.org)	Sep 10 23:51
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/nqvtu	Sep 10 23:51
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org \| GhostBSD 10.1 BETA2 now available \| Tux Machines		Sep 10 23:51
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines GNOME 3.18 Will Not be Identified as Android	Sep 10 23:51
TweetTuxMachines	When Connecting a Google Account	Sep 10 23:51
TweetTuxMachines	http://t.co/t2vcAq5koV (www.tuxmachines.org)	Sep 10 23:51
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/nqvu2	Sep 10 23:51
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Internet Bug Bounty Helps Secure Open Source	Sep 10 23:54
TweetTuxMachines	and the Internet [VIDEO] http://t.co/1pKBJ4ioVp	Sep 10 23:54
TweetTuxMachines	(www.tuxmachines.org)	Sep 10 23:54
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/nqvv3	Sep 10 23:54
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org \| Internet Bug Bounty Helps Secure Open Source and the Internet [VIDEO] \| Tux Machines		Sep 10 23:54
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Ubuntu Make Now Lets You Install Only the	Sep 10 23:54
TweetTuxMachines	Android SDK in Ubuntu Linux	Sep 10 23:54
TweetTuxMachines	http://t.co/NAL3yGeDLI (www.tuxmachines.org)	Sep 10 23:54
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/nqvv4	Sep 10 23:54
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org \| Ubuntu Make Now Lets You Install Only the Android SDK in Ubuntu Linux \| Tux Machines		Sep 10 23:54
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Mir Working On Evdev Device Detection	Sep 10 23:54
TweetTuxMachines	http://t.co/lr9uQ5dWGE (www.phoronix.com)	Sep 10 23:54
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/nqvv6	Sep 10 23:54
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.phoronix.com \| Mir Working On Evdev Device Detection - Phoronix		Sep 10 23:54
*TweetTuxMachines @pkoutoupis favourited 'Mir Working On Evdev Device Detection http://t.co/lr9uQ5dWGE'		Sep 10 23:54
msb__	Oh no! An important part of my infrastructure has been damaged! The duct tape on the hot hose flange of my A/C has come loose from its windowframe hole, and deadly hot air is spilling into my apartment. I'm all doomed!	Sep 10 23:59
msb__	Many layers of duct tape. Hose held to the window by a wire connected to an angle iron screwed(?) to the wall. Very complex! Obama or the Iranians or the Welfare Queens must have done this to me!	Sep 11 00:01
DaemonFC	http://www.geek.com/microsoft/microsoft-pushing-windows-10-onto-machines-even-if-they-havent-reserved-it-1633732/	Sep 11 00:11
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.geek.com \| Microsoft is forcing Windows 10 on users’ machines without consent \| Microsoft \| Geek.com [ http://ur1.ca/nqw30 ]		Sep 11 00:11
MinceR	lol	Sep 11 00:23
MinceR	msb__: you should post it to thereifixedit.com	Sep 11 00:23
msb__	I should post it to thereIshoveditbacktogetherandidontknowhowlongitwillhold.com	Sep 11 00:25
msb__	You only get one chance with duct tape. If you pull it off and put on new, it never sticks the same because some of the old adhesive is still on there.	Sep 11 00:26
MinceR	:)	Sep 11 00:27
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msb__	I'll wait til the weather gets cooler -- it's been very hot the last few days -- cut the old tape off and put on new. The wire is taking almost all the weight, so it might work.	Sep 11 00:29
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines The Toshiba Chromebook 2 – An Amazing	Sep 11 00:57
TweetTuxMachines	Chromebook, Good Linux Laptop, and Decent	Sep 11 00:57
TweetTuxMachines	MacBook http://t.co/9SVm3E4KXJ (blogsofwar.com)	Sep 11 00:57
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/nqwnn	Sep 11 00:57
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-blogsofwar.com \| The Toshiba Chromebook 2 – An Amazing Chromebook, Good Linux Laptop, and Decent MacBook \| Blogs of War		Sep 11 00:57
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Leftovers: KDE http://t.co/FlU2Bwh6ej	Sep 11 00:57
TweetTuxMachines	(www.tuxmachines.org)	Sep 11 00:57
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/nqwnq	Sep 11 00:57
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org \| Leftovers: KDE \| Tux Machines		Sep 11 00:57
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Leftovers: Gaming http://t.co/KP89db24sY	Sep 11 00:57
TweetTuxMachines	(www.tuxmachines.org)	Sep 11 00:57
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/nqwns	Sep 11 00:57
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org \| Leftovers: Gaming \| Tux Machines		Sep 11 00:57
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines today's howtos http://t.co/JBQwGk3zJk	Sep 11 00:57
TweetTuxMachines	(www.tuxmachines.org)	Sep 11 00:57
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/nqwnv	Sep 11 00:57
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org \| today's howtos \| Tux Machines		Sep 11 00:57
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Leftovers: Software http://t.co/wfdjr7xrmw	Sep 11 00:57
TweetTuxMachines	(www.tuxmachines.org)	Sep 11 00:57
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/nqwo0	Sep 11 00:57
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org \| Leftovers: Software \| Tux Machines		Sep 11 00:57
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines today's leftovers http://t.co/xGAQKPLFQh	Sep 11 00:57
TweetTuxMachines	(www.tuxmachines.org)	Sep 11 00:57
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/nqwo4	Sep 11 00:57
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msb__	http://blog.darknedgy.net/technology/2015/09/05/0/	Sep 11 01:53
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-blog.darknedgy.net \| A history of modern init systems (1992-2015) [ http://ur1.ca/nqxbk ]		Sep 11 01:53
msb__	cubexyz: ^^^	Sep 11 01:54
cubexyz	at least the chromebooks don't use systemd	Sep 11 01:59
DaemonFC	For now.	Sep 11 02:11
cubexyz	really their line of demarcation is a bit off	Sep 11 02:14
cubexyz	for one thing SVR4 appeared in 1988	Sep 11 02:14
cubexyz	one could go back farther to System III which appeared in 1982	Sep 11 02:15
cubexyz	and they blithely state that sysvinit "sucked" but no reason is given	Sep 11 02:17
cubexyz	also no credit given to Miquel van Smoorenburg?	Sep 11 02:21
cubexyz	http://www.linux-magazine.com/Issues/2013/156/Init-Systems	Sep 11 02:22
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.linux-magazine.com \| Scramble at the Start » Linux Magazine [ http://ur1.ca/nqxno ]		Sep 11 02:22
cubexyz	of course Remnant joined Google...	Sep 11 02:26
cubexyz	thus chromeos uses upstart	Sep 11 02:27
cubexyz	let's have another look at Unix v5 init:	Sep 11 02:30
cubexyz	http://www.maxhost.org/other/original-unix-v5-init.c	Sep 11 02:30
cubexyz	at least that one is comprehensible	Sep 11 02:31
cubexyz	ok... something a bit more modern:	Sep 11 02:33
cubexyz	http://www.maxhost.org/other/init-v7.c	Sep 11 02:33
cubexyz	the truth is the old sysvinit system worked OK	Sep 11 02:43
cubexyz	I know that's the case since FC1 has run for over 11 years without any problems	Sep 11 02:44
cubexyz	pre-TCP/IP era is different of course	Sep 11 02:45
cubexyz	there was a bit of a bug in Unix v5 which I fixed	Sep 11 02:47
cubexyz	in ps.c there was a line: execl (init, minus, 0);	Sep 11 02:47
cubexyz	so I changed it so it would show the init process	Sep 11 02:48
cubexyz	the original version just showed a minus sign	Sep 11 02:48
cubexyz	ok, one can see how complex sysvinit was even near the beginning	Sep 11 02:51
cubexyz	there's a fair amount of code to understand in there	Sep 11 02:57
cubexyz	http://www.maxhost.org/other/pdp11-sysvinit.c	Sep 11 02:57
cubexyz	the interesting thing is sysvinit was a very stable standard	Sep 11 03:03
cubexyz	or really sysvinit is too specific, I should say sysv itself was stable	Sep 11 03:05
cubexyz	it was used in many different Unixes	Sep 11 03:05
cubexyz	https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/UNIX_System_V	Sep 11 03:06
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-en.wikipedia.org \| UNIX System V - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia [ http://ur1.ca/nqy47 ]		Sep 11 03:06
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Links 11/9/2015: Android Pay, Plasma 5.4.1 in	Sep 11 04:33
TweetTuxMachines	Kubuntu http://t.co/2pj0DsacpR (techrights.org)	Sep 11 04:33
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/nqywv	Sep 11 04:33
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines New RapidDisk Repository Added	Sep 11 04:33
TweetTuxMachines	http://t.co/64KLdeRtvP (www.tuxmachines.org)	Sep 11 04:33
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org \| Links 11/9/2015: Android Pay, Plasma 5.4.1 in Kubuntu \| Techrights		Sep 11 04:33
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/nqywx	Sep 11 04:33
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cubexyz	heh, x2x is neat	Sep 11 06:37
cubexyz	first time I managed to get it to work	Sep 11 06:37
cubexyz	it only seems to work from openbsd into vector and not the other way around	Sep 11 06:39
cubexyz	and note msb__ that there is no x2x in the vector repo	Sep 11 06:40
cubexyz	so compiling from source was necessary	Sep 11 06:41
cubexyz	hmmm, that's odd	Sep 11 06:44
cubexyz	ssh -YC works, ssh -XC doesn't work	Sep 11 06:44
cubexyz	anyways, it works both ways now... trippy	Sep 11 06:45
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cubexyz	so I'm typing this from another computer and running firefox from a third computer :)	Sep 11 06:53
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r_schestowitz	[18:07] <MinceR> fifty new linux distros are nearly the same!	Sep 11 09:00
r_schestowitz	yes, systemd will only be spared in some esoteric ones	Sep 11 09:00
r_schestowitz	if any	Sep 11 09:00
r_schestowitz	[06:53] <cubexyz> so I'm typing this from another computer and running firefox from a third computer :)	Sep 11 09:00
r_schestowitz	I do this with the machine downstairs sometimes	Sep 11 09:01
r_schestowitz	to offload RAM and CPU usage	Sep 11 09:01
r_schestowitz	the machine downstairs is mostly idle	Sep 11 09:01
r_schestowitz	with x forwarding there's much you can do to offload "workloads" (buzzword)	Sep 11 09:01
r_schestowitz	https://twitter.com/SleepyPenguin1/status/642246702934683648	Sep 11 09:03
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@SleepyPenguin1: @schestowitz I can get a plastic door wedge for 99p that keeps the door open..		Sep 11 09:03
r_schestowitz	It's also more material, made in the same country as 'i' things (China)	Sep 11 09:03
r_schestowitz	https://twitter.com/LinuxSocist/status/642247252187185152	Sep 11 09:06
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@LinuxSocist: @schestowitz But think of the 3200 people that were killed by terrorism on 9/11. https://t.co/eCipPg6Mpl		Sep 11 09:06
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights--> www.youtube.com \| The first 9/11 - Noam Chomsky - YouTube		Sep 11 09:06
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-NickServ-schestowitz!~roy@host86-157-132-162.range86-157.btcentralplus.com has just authenticated as you (schestowitz)		Sep 11 09:17
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msb__	MinceR: You will love this! Youtube is laggy, so download with the latest youtube-dl using this command. Then delete the string ".en" from the subtitle file and play with mplayer. yt --write-auto-sub https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9F20-VkvJ2Y	Sep 11 09:22
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.youtube.com \| Vladimir Putin in a Finnish sketch comedy show - YouTube [ http://ur1.ca/nr1hr ]		Sep 11 09:22
*TweetTuxMachines @Tech_Singapore favourited 'KDE Plasma 5.4 Enhances Linux Desktop Experience http://t.co/qDYSzRh0Sw'		Sep 11 09:27
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.eweek.com \| KDE Plasma 5.4 Enhances Linux Desktop Experience		Sep 11 09:27
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines GnuPG 2.1.8 Supports Sending of Very Large Keys	Sep 11 09:27
TweetTuxMachines	to Key Servers http://t.co/Gugcx3eOWB	Sep 11 09:27
TweetTuxMachines	(www.tuxmachines.org)	Sep 11 09:27
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org \| GnuPG 2.1.8 Supports Sending of Very Large Keys to Key Servers \| Tux Machines		Sep 11 09:27
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/nr1j2	Sep 11 09:27
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Mageia 4 about to reach its end-of-life	Sep 11 09:27
TweetTuxMachines	http://t.co/j3xa221ZPN (www.tuxmachines.org)	Sep 11 09:27
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/nr1j3	Sep 11 09:27
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org \| Mageia 4 about to reach its end-of-life \| Tux Machines		Sep 11 09:27
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Announcing a New Release of CentOS Atomic Host	Sep 11 09:27
TweetTuxMachines	http://t.co/7SRlZTavwC (www.tuxmachines.org)	Sep 11 09:27
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/nr1j4	Sep 11 09:27
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org \| Announcing a New Release of CentOS Atomic Host \| Tux Machines		Sep 11 09:27
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Rackspace joins Ubuntu Certified Public Cloud	Sep 11 09:29
TweetTuxMachines	http://t.co/2ZTI509IzI (www.tuxmachines.org)	Sep 11 09:29
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/nr1jr	Sep 11 09:29
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org \| Rackspace joins Ubuntu Certified Public Cloud \| Tux Machines		Sep 11 09:29
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Linux Workshop to be held in Mumbai, BMC plans	Sep 11 09:29
TweetTuxMachines	to ban Windows usage for 7-days across the	Sep 11 09:29
TweetTuxMachines	state http://t.co/yP2bcQFjvc	Sep 11 09:29
TweetTuxMachines	(www.tuxmachines.org)	Sep 11 09:29
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org \| Linux Workshop to be held in Mumbai, BMC plans to ban Windows usage for 7-days across the state \| Tux Machines		Sep 11 09:29
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/nr1js	Sep 11 09:29
schestowitz	test	Sep 11 09:38
schestowitz	ok, connection got wobbly for a moment	Sep 11 09:38
msb__	MinceR: Sorry, I meant delete the string ".en" from the subtitle fileNAME	Sep 11 09:39
schestowitz	https://joindiaspora.com/posts/6577799	Sep 11 09:42
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: #Microsoft is downloading #vista10 to your machine 'just in case' http://www.theinquirer.net/inquirer/news/2425381/microsoft-is-downloading-windows-10-to-your-machine-just-in-case wow, botnet with spyware. Legal?		Sep 11 09:42
schestowitz	"	Sep 11 09:42
schestowitz	Now I’ve started maintaining a local wiki page with all the windows updates not to be installed. Ever.	Sep 11 09:42
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights--> www.theinquirer.net \| Microsoft is downloading Windows 10 to your machine 'just in case'- The Inquirer [ http://ur1.ca/nr1oc ]		Sep 11 09:42
schestowitz	Microsoft, you just started costing me way too much money to be able to afford continued usage of all your recent operating systems. So I will not buy any new licenses for any of those ever again. Your TCO has risen way above my painlevel now.	Sep 11 09:42
schestowitz	"	Sep 11 09:42
schestowitz	"It’s funny how you might have a good laugh over outrageous things when you’re not affected."	Sep 11 09:42
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Links 11/9/2015: Android Pay, Plasma 5.4.1 in	Sep 11 09:42
TweetTuxMachines	retweeted by Kubuntu http://t.co/2pj0DsacpR (techrights.org)	Sep 11 09:42
TweetTuxMachines	@schestowitz	Sep 11 09:43
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/nr1k0	Sep 11 09:43
*TweetTuxMachines @CertDepot retweeted @tuxmachines: 'Announcing a New Release of CentOS Atomic Host...'		Sep 11 09:43
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org \| Links 11/9/2015: Android Pay, Plasma 5.4.1 in Kubuntu \| Techrights		Sep 11 09:43
schestowitz	They're trying to gain competitive advantage over GNU/Linux by clogging up networks (shared with me), which I find not amusing but infuriating.	Sep 11 09:43
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cubexyz	even when redhat 5.2 came out it was better than windows	Sep 11 09:49
cubexyz	a pity I was slow to realize that	Sep 11 09:49
cubexyz	didn't have broadband back in 1998	Sep 11 09:50
cubexyz	wasn't completely anti-microsoft back then either	Sep 11 09:51
cubexyz	NT 4.0 seemed OK	Sep 11 09:51
cubexyz	supported dual cpu	Sep 11 09:51
cubexyz	there was ANSI T1.413-1998 so technically it was possible to get DSL in some places in 1998	Sep 11 09:55
schestowitz	older:	Sep 11 09:57
schestowitz	https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wTH6_MGE98k	Sep 11 09:57
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.youtube.com \| RiP: A remix manifesto. Complete - YouTube [ http://ur1.ca/nr1ud ]		Sep 11 09:57
schestowitz	"80 percent of first purchases on Ashley Madison were a result of a man	Sep 11 10:02
schestowitz	trying to contact a bot, or reading a message from one. "	Sep 11 10:02
schestowitz	http://gizmodo.com/how-ashley-madison-hid-its-fembot-con-from-users-and-in-1728410265	Sep 11 10:02
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-gizmodo.com \| How Ashley Madison Hid Its Fembot Con From Users and Investigators [ http://ur1.ca/nr1vn ]		Sep 11 10:02
cubexyz	ha, so the whole thing is mostly a scam	Sep 11 10:02
cubexyz	hmmm, guess I'll have to use the chromebook for that one	Sep 11 10:04
schestowitz	https://thestack.com/security/2015/09/10/major-web-security-company-sought-to-conceal-that-it-ran-compromised-servers/	Sep 11 10:22
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-thestack.com \| Federal security provider sought to hide fact of compromised servers [ http://ur1.ca/nr238 ]		Sep 11 10:22
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-NickServ-schestowitz!~roy@host86-157-132-162.range86-157.btcentralplus.com has just authenticated as you (schestowitz)		Sep 11 10:24
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schestowitz	https://twitter.com/retroDoomer/status/642266771911606272	Sep 11 10:24
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@retroDoomer: @schestowitz I hope they turn them down		Sep 11 10:24
schestowitz	re https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/642264659412799488	Sep 11 10:24
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz: Saudi Arabia offers Germany 200 mosques – one for every 100 refugees who arrived last weekend http://t.co/ZY6mp58wst exporting radicalism		Sep 11 10:24
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights--> www.independent.co.uk \| Saudi Arabia offers Germany 200 mosques – one for every 100 refugees who arrived last weekend - Europe - World - The Independent		Sep 11 10:24
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Links 11/9/2015: Android Pay, Plasma 5.4.1 in	Sep 11 10:35
TweetTuxMachines	retweeted by Kubuntu http://t.co/2pj0DsacpR (techrights.org)	Sep 11 10:35
TweetTuxMachines	@cypherkoi	Sep 11 10:35
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/nr28k	Sep 11 10:35
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines "Rcpp is now on the CRAN network for GNU R this	Sep 11 10:35
TweetTuxMachines	morning, and I will push a Debian package."	Sep 11 10:35
TweetTuxMachines	http://t.co/JWTiAlUYW3 (dirk.eddelbuettel.com)	Sep 11 10:35
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-dirk.eddelbuettel.com \| Thinking inside the box		Sep 11 10:35
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/nr28l	Sep 11 10:35
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Kickstarter: Is Nextbit’s Robin the Android	Sep 11 10:38
TweetTuxMachines	differentiator we have been waiting for?	Sep 11 10:38
TweetTuxMachines	http://t.co/ZycfjNvNWs (indianexpress.com)	Sep 11 10:38
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-indianexpress.com \| Kickstarter: Is Nextbit’s Robin the Android differentiator we have been waiting for? \| The Indian Express		Sep 11 10:38
TweetTuxMachines	"$400 Android smartphone"	Sep 11 10:38
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/nr29r	Sep 11 10:38
*TweetTuxMachines @MarusenkoMs favourited 'Kickstarter: Is Nextbit’s Robin the Android differentiator we...'		Sep 11 10:41
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Wedia Integrates Tuxera's Streaming Technology	Sep 11 10:41
TweetTuxMachines	With its Linux-Based Teatro-3.0 STB Software	Sep 11 10:41
TweetTuxMachines	Solution http://t.co/pV34NT6n3b	Sep 11 10:41
TweetTuxMachines	(www.tuxmachines.org)	Sep 11 10:41
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/nr2ar	Sep 11 10:41
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org \| Wedia Integrates Tuxera's Streaming Technology With its Linux-Based Teatro-3.0 STB Software Solution \| Tux Machines		Sep 11 10:41
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines My dad's Linux story begins in textiles	Sep 11 10:41
TweetTuxMachines	http://t.co/Pa9ph2R5yx (www.tuxmachines.org)	Sep 11 10:41
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/nr2as	Sep 11 10:41
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org \| My dad's Linux story begins in textiles \| Tux Machines		Sep 11 10:41
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Amarok 2.9 Enters Beta After Two Years of	Sep 11 10:43
TweetTuxMachines	Development, Amarok 3.0 Prepares for Qt5	Sep 11 10:43
TweetTuxMachines	http://t.co/1SfFIeaWe1 (www.tuxmachines.org)	Sep 11 10:43
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/nr2bp	Sep 11 10:43
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org \| Amarok 2.9 Enters Beta After Two Years of Development, Amarok 3.0 Prepares for Qt5 \| Tux Machines		Sep 11 10:43
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Interviews: RMS Answers Your Questions	Sep 11 10:44
TweetTuxMachines	http://t.co/177UrVGT0B (www.tuxmachines.org)	Sep 11 10:44
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/nr2br	Sep 11 10:44
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org \| Interviews: RMS Answers Your Questions \| Tux Machines		Sep 11 10:44
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Norway’s Frikomport readied to switch to Moodle	Sep 11 10:44
TweetTuxMachines	http://t.co/kycKdvRcLj (www.tuxmachines.org)	Sep 11 10:44
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/nr2bs	Sep 11 10:44
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org \| Norway’s Frikomport readied to switch to Moodle \| Tux Machines		Sep 11 10:44
cubexyz	interesting video	Sep 11 10:46
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cubexyz	he's using windows :-/	Sep 11 10:48
*TweetTuxMachines @staceycdz32 favourited 'Kickstarter: Is Nextbit’s Robin the Android differentiator we...'		Sep 11 10:51
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Nice new phone, Apple - but my Android's still	Sep 11 10:51
TweetTuxMachines	better, and cheaper http://t.co/LfkqrjLAl2	Sep 11 10:51
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.smh.com.au \| Nice new phone, Apple - but my Android's still better, and cheaper		Sep 11 10:51
TweetTuxMachines	(www.smh.com.au)	Sep 11 10:51
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/nr2e7	Sep 11 10:51
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines GNOME 3.17.92 rc tarballs due (and more)	Sep 11 10:53
TweetTuxMachines	(responsible: fredp) http://t.co/72ruXeB3Wy	Sep 11 10:53
TweetTuxMachines	(permalink.gmane.org)	Sep 11 10:53
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-permalink.gmane.org \| GNOME 3.17.92 rc tarballs due (and more) (responsible: fredp)		Sep 11 10:53
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/nr2f3	Sep 11 10:54
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Nano-ITX SBC runs Linux on quad-core Atom, has	Sep 11 10:54
TweetTuxMachines	dual GbE http://t.co/nDuOXVHciz	Sep 11 10:54
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-linuxgizmos.com \| Nano-ITX SBC runs Linux on quad-core Atom, has dual GbE · LinuxGizmos.com		Sep 11 10:54
TweetTuxMachines	(linuxgizmos.com)	Sep 11 10:54
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/nr2f5	Sep 11 10:54
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Second Beta Build of Proxmox VE 4.0 Is Based on	Sep 11 10:54
TweetTuxMachines	Debian 8.2, Uses Linux Kernel 4.2	Sep 11 10:54
TweetTuxMachines	http://t.co/rHRQHlZJOO (news.softpedia.com)	Sep 11 10:54
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/nr2f6	Sep 11 10:54
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-news.softpedia.com \| Second Beta Build of Proxmox VE 4.0 Is Based on Debian 8.2, Uses Linux Kernel 4.2 - Softpedia		Sep 11 10:54
cubexyz	everybody learns from everybody else, humans imitate each other	Sep 11 10:54
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines GnuPG 2.1.8 Supports Sending of Very Large Keys	Sep 11 10:55
TweetTuxMachines	to Key Servers http://t.co/04FLk5Mi0t	Sep 11 10:55
TweetTuxMachines	(news.softpedia.com)	Sep 11 10:55
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-news.softpedia.com \| GnuPG 2.1.8 Supports Sending of Very Large Keys to Key Servers - Softpedia		Sep 11 10:55
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/nr2fq	Sep 11 10:55
*TweetTuxMachines @ningbojoe retweeted @tuxmachines: 'Second Beta Build of Proxmox VE 4.0 Is...'		Sep 11 10:55
cubexyz	good video, thanks for posting the URL	Sep 11 10:57
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schestowitz	https://twitter.com/Oxfordite/status/642283572188028928	Sep 11 11:29
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@Oxfordite: @glynmoody @schestowitz crash caused by banks "boundless greed".. unregulated greed?		Sep 11 11:29
schestowitz	cubexyz: indeed	Sep 11 11:30
schestowitz	I watched the first half an hour	Sep 11 11:30
schestowitz	he's using windows but says "copyleft"	Sep 11 11:30
schestowitz	RMS' term	Sep 11 11:30
cubexyz	half enlightened is beter than none :)	Sep 11 11:31
cubexyz	I don't actually know anyone who got burned for mp3 downloads in Canada	Sep 11 11:32
cubexyz	I assume it has happened	Sep 11 11:32
schestowitz	I don't know of one, either	Sep 11 11:34
schestowitz	one guy in Texas is named there for it	Sep 11 11:34
schestowitz	imagines a world where you can stream from youtube...	Sep 11 11:34
schestowitz	but...	Sep 11 11:34
schestowitz	if you download from youtube, then you get menacing letters	Sep 11 11:34
schestowitz	even if the uploaded in youtube is the copyright holder	Sep 11 11:34
schestowitz	looking for promotion of ad revenue, like Vevo	Sep 11 11:35
cubexyz	I made some of the same arguments about Disney	Sep 11 11:42
cubexyz	Grimm's Fairy Tales etc	Sep 11 11:43
schestowitz	https://twitter.com/RamiSilawi/status/642286983230947332	Sep 11 11:44
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@RamiSilawi: @schestowitz It just went live, crediting you, on my @RebelMouse http://t.co/DQqqYJHjhw		Sep 11 11:44
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights--> www.rebelmouse.com \| RamiSilawi		Sep 11 11:44
schestowitz	https://twitter.com/glynmoody/status/642288855996071936	Sep 11 11:52
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@glynmoody: @Oxfordite @schestowitz unregulated boundless greed...		Sep 11 11:52
schestowitz	Tories-supported unregulated boundless greed...	Sep 11 11:52
schestowitz	https://twitter.com/Oxfordite/status/642289861119094784	Sep 11 11:53
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@Oxfordite: "@glynmoody: @Oxfordite @schestowitz unregulated boundless greed..." There is good reason for regulation with all that greed..		Sep 11 11:54
schestowitz	https://twitter.com/Oxfordite/status/642290073447309312	Sep 11 11:56
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@Oxfordite: "@schestowitz: @glynmoody @Oxfordite Tories-supported unregulated boundless greed..." ..did not New Labour relax banking regulation too?		Sep 11 11:56
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Mageia 4 about to reach its end-of-life	Sep 11 11:56
TweetTuxMachines	http://t.co/ekqO83MlZT (error)	Sep 11 11:56
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/nr2hz	Sep 11 11:56
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Announcing a New Release of CentOS Atomic Host	Sep 11 11:57
TweetTuxMachines	http://t.co/VIIcaig5fk (seven.centos.org)	Sep 11 11:57
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/nr310	Sep 11 11:57
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Rackspace joins Ubuntu Certified Public Cloud	Sep 11 11:57
TweetTuxMachines	https://t.co/6odKGi9wqK (insights.ubuntu.com)	Sep 11 11:57
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/nr311	Sep 11 11:57
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Linux Workshop to be held in Mumbai, BMC plans	Sep 11 11:57
TweetTuxMachines	to ban Windows usage for 7-days across the	Sep 11 11:57
TweetTuxMachines	state http://t.co/2BOktZpdCc	Sep 11 11:57
TweetTuxMachines	(www.fakingnews.firstpost.com)	Sep 11 11:57
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/nr312	Sep 11 11:57
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines My dad's Linux story begins in textiles	Sep 11 11:57
TweetTuxMachines	http://t.co/xVezeBMJ8e (opensource.com)	Sep 11 11:57
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/nr313	Sep 11 11:57
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Amarok 2.9 Enters Beta After Two Years of	Sep 11 11:57
TweetTuxMachines	Development, Amarok 3.0 Prepares for Qt5	Sep 11 11:57
TweetTuxMachines	http://t.co/z8KyM4w4NM (linux.softpedia.com)	Sep 11 11:57
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/nr314	Sep 11 11:57
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines New Kubuntu Council members	Sep 11 11:57
TweetTuxMachines	http://t.co/7y3EoYMwCs (kubuntu.org)	Sep 11 11:57
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/nr315	Sep 11 11:57
*TweetTuxMachines @retroDoomer favourited 'My dad's Linux story begins in textiles http://t.co/xVezeBMJ8e'		Sep 11 11:57
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Empty reply from server ( status 0 @ http://blog.mageia.org/en/2015/09/10/mageia-4-about-to-reach-its-end-of-life/ )		Sep 11 11:58
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-seven.centos.org \| Announcing a New Release of CentOS Atomic Host – Seven.CentOS.org		Sep 11 11:58
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-insights.ubuntu.com \| Rackspace joins Ubuntu Certified Public Cloud \| Ubuntu Insights		Sep 11 11:59
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.fakingnews.firstpost.com \| Linux Workshop to be held in Mumbai, BMC plans to ban Windows usage for 7-days across the city \| Faking News		Sep 11 11:59
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-opensource.com \| Mr. Brian's Linux Story \| Opensource.com		Sep 11 11:59
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-linux.softpedia.com \| Amarok 2.9 Enters Beta After Two Years of Development, Amarok 3.0 Prepares for Qt5 - Softpedia		Sep 11 11:59
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-kubuntu.org \| New Kubuntu Council members \| Kubuntu		Sep 11 11:59
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Interviews: RMS Answers Your Questions	Sep 11 11:59
TweetTuxMachines	retweeted by http://t.co/177UrVGT0B (www.tuxmachines.org)	Sep 11 11:59
TweetTuxMachines	@speedytux	Sep 11 11:59
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/nr31y	Sep 11 11:59
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org \| Interviews: RMS Answers Your Questions \| Tux Machines		Sep 11 11:59
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Opening Linux Even Further	Sep 11 11:59
TweetTuxMachines	https://t.co/HWEwoNU7Up (medium.com)	Sep 11 11:59
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/nr321	Sep 11 11:59
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-medium.com \| Opening Linux Even Further — Medium		Sep 11 11:59
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Kubuntu Council Welcomes New Members, Mageia 4	Sep 11 11:59
TweetTuxMachines	EOL http://t.co/F3xNCxXrjw	Sep 11 11:59
TweetTuxMachines	(www.tuxmachines.org)	Sep 11 11:59
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/nr322	Sep 11 11:59
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org \| Kubuntu Council Welcomes New Members, Mageia 4 EOL \| Tux Machines		Sep 11 11:59
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Opening Linux Even Further	Sep 11 12:05
TweetTuxMachines	http://t.co/MSELIsiGQI (www.tuxmachines.org)	Sep 11 12:05
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/nr341	Sep 11 12:05
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org \| Opening Linux Even Further \| Tux Machines		Sep 11 12:05
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines 9 ways to attract students to your open source	Sep 11 12:05
TweetTuxMachines	project http://t.co/FXRhlPhkip	Sep 11 12:05
TweetTuxMachines	(www.tuxmachines.org)	Sep 11 12:05
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org \| 9 ways to attract students to your open source project \| Tux Machines		Sep 11 12:05
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/nr343	Sep 11 12:05
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Samsung Z3 (SM-Z300F) could be heading for	Sep 11 12:05
TweetTuxMachines	Russia, with Tizen Love! http://t.co/YsLvKSz1JN	Sep 11 12:05
TweetTuxMachines	(www.tuxmachines.org)	Sep 11 12:05
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org \| Samsung Z3 (SM-Z300F) could be heading for Russia, with Tizen Love! \| Tux Machines		Sep 11 12:05
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/nr344	Sep 11 12:05
cubexyz	Rip!: A Remix Manifesto is from 2008	Sep 11 12:23
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schestowitz	https://twitter.com/AJimenez1988/status/642307628060815360	Sep 11 13:11
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@AJimenez1988: @schestowitz @glynmoody @Oxfordite Oh no no. It's perfectly regulated to avoid pesky upstarts unbalancing the statu quo.		Sep 11 13:11
schestowitz	https://twitter.com/AlexArchambault/status/642309585970307072	Sep 11 13:13
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@AlexArchambault: Cette personnalisation par une marque tierce d'un produit Apple est une première https://t.co/tXJsqo2YhT		Sep 11 13:13
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz: #Microsoft Clogs Up Networks to Push #Vista10 Spyware Into PCs, Even Without Users' Consent http://t.co/6ACfTvSk2A #windows #windows10		Sep 11 13:13
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MinceR	http://www.rouming.cz/roumingShow.php?file=push_your_borders.jpg	Sep 11 14:40
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.rouming.cz \| Roumenův Rouming - Zábavné a zajímavé obrázky - push your borders [ http://ur1.ca/nr4i7 ]		Sep 11 14:40
MinceR	(old) http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2013/jul/2/donald-trump-edward-snowden-kill-traitor/	Sep 11 14:44
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.washingtontimes.com \| Donald Trump on Edward Snowden: Kill the 'traitor' - Washington Times [ http://ur1.ca/nr4jt ]		Sep 11 14:44
MinceR	though afaik hitlery clinton wants the same	Sep 11 14:44
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Sosumi	http://arstechnica.com/information-technology/2015/09/microsoft-is-downloading-windows-10-to-pcs-even-if-you-dont-reserve-a-copy/	Sep 11 16:06
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-arstechnica.com \| Microsoft is downloading Windows 10 to PCs, even if you don’t “reserve” a copy \| Ars Technica [ http://ur1.ca/nr5de ]		Sep 11 16:06
msb__	Hitlery Clinton crowed on TV about the US murder of Muammar Gaddafi. "We came, we saw, he died!"	Sep 11 16:06
Sosumi	ho, hitlery, maybe we should send all those refugees to her mansion	Sep 11 16:08
Sosumi	since most of the weapons being used in Syria by daesh and the other terrorists came from Gaddafi's arsenal	Sep 11 16:09
msb__	But regarding "push your borders", the US has, by its military and the jihadist proxies it has given weapons and money to, pushed its effective borders to Afghanistan, Iraq, Libya,Ukraine, Syria, and has destroyed, or is in the process of destroying, all those nations.	Sep 11 16:10
msb__	Sosumi: from Gaddafi's arsenal -- do you have a reference for that?	Sep 11 16:11
Sosumi	http://www.nytimes.com/2013/06/22/world/africa/in-a-turnabout-syria-rebels-get-libyan-weapons.html?_r=0	Sep 11 16:12
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-myaccount.nytimes.com \| Log In - The New York Times [ http://ur1.ca/nr5g2 ]		Sep 11 16:12
Sosumi	and that included chemical weapons	Sep 11 16:13
Sosumi	that later were used on the population and blamed on Assad by the western media	Sep 11 16:14
msb__	Ah, the newspaper of broken record. It makes no mention of the facts that Gaddafi treated the citizens of Libya very well, and that Assad isn't that bad, and that the jihadists getting the weapons are paving the way for ISIL to take over Syria.	Sep 11 16:19
msb__	The US says "Assad must go" but doesn't say why. The actual reasons include Syria's refusal to take loans from Western banks and thus become an economic slave, and its opposition to Israel's genocide of the Palestinians.	Sep 11 16:22
msb__	http://www.globalresearch.ca/syria-democracy-vs-the-foreign-invasion-who-is-bashar-al-assad/5329181	Sep 11 16:23
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.globalresearch.ca \| Syria: Democracy vs. Foreign Invasion. Who is Bashar Al Assad? \| Global Research - Centre for Research on Globalization [ http://ur1.ca/nr5ju ]		Sep 11 16:23
MinceR	https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AyA3Rg4gFJY	Sep 11 16:24
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.youtube.com \| Human Rights in Decline in Crimea - YouTube [ http://ur1.ca/nr5kk ]		Sep 11 16:24
msb__	Fux News reveals the real culprit behind the refugee crisis in Europe -- Russia! By giving aid to Assad and prolonging that fight, it's creating refugees. Of course if US jihadists succeed in overthrowing Assad and taking over, there will be many more refugees fleeing from the jihadists.	Sep 11 16:33
msb__	I always thought Human Rights Watch was a good organisation but I am realising it is very selective about what it reports and campaigns on. Human Rights Watch cannot have missed the slaughter in Donbass by the (largely conscripted under pain of 30 yrs prison) Ukrainian Army and Sveboda/Azov 'punitive' brigades and yet they appear to choose to highlight relatively minor incidents in Crimea whilst at the same time totally ignoring the	Sep 11 16:36
msb__	cutting off of water, electricity and other basic essentials by the Ukrainian Gov.	Sep 11 16:36
msb__	The video doesn't say _who_ is attacking the Crimean Tatars, only that Russia is failing to protect the Tatars. Could the attackers be Svoboda and Right-Sector Nazis, known for their racism?	Sep 11 16:41
msb__	Sorry, that bit starting with "I always thought..." was the first comment on the video.	Sep 11 16:42
msb__	MinceR: Did you watch that Putin parody video I posted here for you?	Sep 11 16:47
msb__	MinceR: You will love this! Youtube is laggy, so download with the latest youtube-dl using this command. Then delete the string ".en" from the subtitle filename and play with mplayer. yt --write-auto-sub https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9F20-VkvJ2Y	Sep 11 16:51
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.youtube.com \| Vladimir Putin in a Finnish sketch comedy show - YouTube [ http://ur1.ca/nr1hr ]		Sep 11 16:51
msb__	It's totally anti-Putin, posted by an East European guy in another Linux channel. Please, somebody watch it and tell MinceR how funny it is.	Sep 11 16:54
MinceR	msb__: i've saved it, i haven't started viewing videos today yet	Sep 11 16:55
msb__	good. Hopefully you got it with the subtitles per instructions.	Sep 11 16:56
msb__	youtube-dl didn't used to get subtitles but now it does. They are working on it feverishly, a new version every couple of days.	Sep 11 16:57
MinceR	indeed	Sep 11 16:57
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msb__	Excellent documentary on US planning and role in the Nazi overthrow of the Ukraine government. Broadcast on RT, some will deride it as "putler propaganda", even though it gives facts and _evidence_. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bkD8VFOz4-8	Sep 11 17:28
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.youtube.com \| Mosaic of Facts - YouTube [ http://ur1.ca/nr6b7 ]		Sep 11 17:28
MinceR	http://www.vox.com/2015/6/29/8845913/russia-war	Sep 11 17:29
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.vox.com \| How World War III became possible - Vox [ http://ur1.ca/nr6bd ]		Sep 11 17:29
msb__	Also gives extensive info on US govt/corporate control of media.	Sep 11 17:29
msb__	Once again, MinceR posts an article immediately after I post one. Why? Does he have handlers? Do they give him this material with instructions?	Sep 11 17:36
MinceR	i'm simply tired of your russophile propaganda	Sep 11 17:37
MinceR	also, i didn't know you were the only one allowed to link articles here	Sep 11 17:37
msb__	The video I posted is simply factual. The US is aggressing against Russia in Ukraine.	Sep 11 17:37
msb__	Of course not, but why do you post yours immediately after I post. There's no connection in the subject matter.	Sep 11 17:38
MinceR	the article i linked is factual	Sep 11 17:38
MinceR	and pretty neutral, as far as i can tell	Sep 11 17:39
MinceR	of course, from your perspective that means it's "evil" and from the "CIA"	Sep 11 17:39
msb__	But the question is: Who started the conflict?	Sep 11 17:39
msb__	Does your article say that the US started it by backing the Nazi coup that overthrew the Ukraine government?	Sep 11 17:40
msb__	No. It only covers events after that, after the conflict was underway.	Sep 11 17:40
MinceR	http://i.4cdn.org/b/1441980895703.gif	Sep 11 17:41
msb__	Ignoring the initial attack is a very common propaganda method. For example, used by Israel against the Palestinians.	Sep 11 17:41
MinceR	no, russia caused that revolution by placing its puppet in control of ukraine	Sep 11 17:41
MinceR	indeed, lying about who started things is a very common propaganda method, used often by russowankers	Sep 11 17:42
msb__	Russia caused the US to back Nazis Svoboda and Right-Sector to attack the elected Ukraine government?	Sep 11 17:43
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msb__	The video I posted has US govt officials on video planning the attack in advance and saying which people they want to put in charge. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bkD8VFOz4-8	Sep 11 17:44
MinceR	http://xkcd.com/1576/	Sep 11 17:45
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MinceR	http://www.vox.com/2015/6/29/8858909/russia-war-flowchart	Sep 11 17:45
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.vox.com \| How a crisis in Estonia could lead to World War III - Vox [ http://ur1.ca/nr6ib ]		Sep 11 17:45
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MinceR	pretending that the revolution was only backed by svoboda and right sector doesn't exactly help your credibility	Sep 11 17:45
msb__	A violent, externally backed and paid-for coup is not a "revolution".	Sep 11 17:47
MinceR	unless it's done by people msb__ supports	Sep 11 17:47
msb__	The _facts_ have nothing to do with who I support. I just report facts. If the facts indict some and credit others, that's not my doing. It's what actually happened.	Sep 11 17:50
MinceR	no, you repeat putinist propaganda and call it "facts"	Sep 11 17:50
MinceR	you're just like fox noise	Sep 11 17:51
MinceR	"fair and balanced"	Sep 11 17:51
msb__	No, you call any facts that you don't like "putinist propaganda" even if they are simple truth.	Sep 11 17:51
msb__	The article on Estonia says, " the US is deploying heavy military equipment there to deter possible Russian aggression". So the US is ACTUALLY placing major military weapons on the border of Russia, supposedly to deter POSSIBLE Russian aggression.	Sep 11 17:55
DaemonFC`	J. R. Bob Dobbs (formerly ZOMG Pink Ponies) says:	Sep 11 17:55
DaemonFC`	Mike Hucksterbee seems to be horribly misguided on the constitution. He says that Dred Scott v. Sandford is still the law, so if gay people can marry, then you can buy black people.	Sep 11 17:55
DaemonFC`	"Oh crap, he's using the Chewbacca defense!" (South Park)	Sep 11 17:55
DaemonFC`	There were two constitutional amendments to reverse Dred Scott v. Sandford, one of them outlawing slavery and one granting full citizenship to former slaves and all of their children. So, no, no you can't buy black people. It's horrifying that Arkansas made someone like this their governor.	Sep 11 17:55
DaemonFC`	He must be an originalist if he's counting people in fifths.	Sep 11 17:55
msb__	Who is at fault there? Who is the initial aggressor?	Sep 11 17:55
MinceR	and if you had read the previous article, you would perhaps even understand it	Sep 11 17:56
msb__	DaemonFC`: Maybe he's counting people after drinking a couple of fifths.	Sep 11 17:57
MinceR	mike fuckabee?	Sep 11 17:57
msb__	MinceR: Oh do explain, instead of making an information-free personal attack.	Sep 11 17:58
DaemonFC`	MinceR, Fucksterbee	Sep 11 17:59
MinceR	msb__: russia is trolling NATO members in an attempt to either trigger article 5 or make them appear to fail to uphold it	Sep 11 17:59
*DaemonFC` is now known as DaemonFC		Sep 11 17:59
MinceR	leading either to ww3 or the NATO falling apart	Sep 11 17:59
MinceR	russia is trying to blur the line there	Sep 11 18:00
MinceR	this is a particularly nasty example of that: http://www.vox.com/2014/9/5/6110037/estonia-russia-officer-kidnapped	Sep 11 18:00
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.vox.com \| This is bad: Russia 'abducts' Estonian officer after Obama says US will defend Estonia - Vox [ http://ur1.ca/nr6nw ]		Sep 11 18:00
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msb__	If the Russian version is accurate, that "counter-intelligence officer" was either spying in Russia, or committing another US-motivated provocation.	Sep 11 18:07
MinceR	that putin video is indeed funny	Sep 11 18:07
msb__	Like the US attacks on Ukraine and Syria.	Sep 11 18:07
MinceR	if it's like those, then it's not accurate	Sep 11 18:08
msb__	The method used is different in the three cases, but the motivation is the same -- maintain Russia as THE ENEMY, thus keeping US citizens in fear and voting for strongman leaders.	Sep 11 18:10
MinceR	that was up to russia	Sep 11 18:10
MinceR	they had plenty of chances to become friendly	Sep 11 18:10
MinceR	they could have progressed toward democracy and market economy, diversified their economy and joined the EU.	Sep 11 18:10
MinceR	instead they chose to try and rebuild the USSR.	Sep 11 18:11
MinceR	and so we have a second Cold War and we're on the brink of WW3	Sep 11 18:11
msb__	The US and other capitalist nations attacked Russia immediately after the Bolshevik Revolution, murdering millions.	Sep 11 18:12
MinceR	so that wasn't a "coup"?	Sep 11 18:12
msb__	Then wealthy Americans gave Hitler 75% of the financing for his military buildup for WW2, so he would exterminate socialists in Russia and Europe.	Sep 11 18:13
MinceR	apparently a violent change of system must lead to dictatorship to gain msb__'s favor	Sep 11 18:13
msb__	After WW2, the US attacked some 55 nations, mostly because they were socialist or had socialist leaders, murdering 20 million people.	Sep 11 18:14
MinceR	for example, if hungarians got a clue and deposed orban tomorrow, we'd hear from you about how evil they are	Sep 11 18:14
msb__	Now the US is attacking Syria and Ukraine to harass the Russians.	Sep 11 18:14
MinceR	https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Katyn_massacre	Sep 11 18:14
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MinceR	https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Holodomor	Sep 11 18:14
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-en.wikipedia.org \| Holodomor - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia		Sep 11 18:14
MinceR	https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gulag	Sep 11 18:15
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-en.wikipedia.org \| Gulag - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia		Sep 11 18:15
msb__	Well goody. Obama should start World War Three because Stalin was a bad guy.	Sep 11 18:20
MinceR	putin's role in that is unthinkable for you?	Sep 11 18:23
msb__	Are you able to respond to facts without making personal attacks?	Sep 11 18:24
msb__	MinceR: See if you can talk about the facts without mentioning me or what you claim I support or what you claim I think or would do.	Sep 11 18:27
MinceR	see if you can talk about the facts	Sep 11 18:28
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MinceR	like the fact that the west has routinely underestimated russia's willingness to use nukes since 1990 or so	Sep 11 18:29
msb__	Putin had no role in the US attacks on Syria nor in the Ukraine putsch.	Sep 11 18:29
MinceR	oh, he did have plenty of role in taking over ukraine	Sep 11 18:29
MinceR	also in annexing parts of ukraine	Sep 11 18:29
msb__	He annexed Crimea after the people there begged him to do it, because they didn't want to live under a Nazi regime. But what was his role in "taking over Ukraine" ?	Sep 11 18:31
MinceR	if the people there begged him to do it, why did he send unmarked military forces there before that?	Sep 11 18:31
MinceR	this is the guy you're looking for: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Viktor_Yanukovych	Sep 11 18:32
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-en.wikipedia.org \| Viktor Yanukovych - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia [ http://ur1.ca/gp2ce ]		Sep 11 18:32
msb__	I don't know if he did, but if he did it was to protect the people against Nazi attacks.	Sep 11 18:32
MinceR	that's a common excuse	Sep 11 18:32
MinceR	https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BqmboHoCcAAgE8z.jpg	Sep 11 18:33
MinceR	even the only dictatorship you don't love used it	Sep 11 18:33
msb__	Another personal attack. You just can't give it up.	Sep 11 18:35
MinceR	i don't see how that's personal	Sep 11 18:35
MinceR	you keep advertising dictatorships all over the world here	Sep 11 18:35
msb__	Sometimes invasions are to protect people. Like the US invasion of Europe in WW2.	Sep 11 18:35
MinceR	193240 < msb__> I don't know if he did, but if he did it was to protect the people against Nazi attacks.	Sep 11 18:36
MinceR	this shows how little you know	Sep 11 18:36
msb__	Yet another personal attack. Two of them actually.	Sep 11 18:36
msb__	If you talk about me, it's a personal attack. (Unless you tell me how much you love me.)	Sep 11 18:37
MinceR	that's clearly false	Sep 11 18:38
msb__	How so?	Sep 11 18:39
MinceR	talking about someone is not necessarily an attack or a declaration of love	Sep 11 18:39
msb__	It is if everything you say about me is negative.	Sep 11 18:39
MinceR	what's positive about supporting dictatorships and taking part in their misinformation campaigns?	Sep 11 18:41
msb__	I don't know. You do it all the time.	Sep 11 18:42
msb__	You support the US in destroying whole nations and murdering millions of people, and you constantly refer us to US govt propaganda websites.	Sep 11 18:43
MinceR	by the way, one of the articles you're ignoring also explains how russia (under putin) violated the Intermediate-Range Nuclear Forces Treaty, kicking the world closer to nuclear annihilation	Sep 11 18:43
MinceR	the US didn't destroy any of the nations we mentioned	Sep 11 18:43
MinceR	russia, on the other hand has destroyed several	Sep 11 18:44
MinceR	and apparently you call all websites that aren't putin apologists "US government propaganda" or even "CIA"	Sep 11 18:44
msb__	If you don't know that "Radio Free Europe" is the CIA, then you should get your head examined.	Sep 11 18:45
msb__	The US destroyed Afghanistan, Iraq, Libya, and most of Syria.	Sep 11 18:45
schestowitz	there he goes again	Sep 11 18:45
schestowitz	4 highlighs	Sep 11 18:45
schestowitz	in kde notifications	Sep 11 18:45
schestowitz	destROY destROY destROY destROY destROY	Sep 11 18:45
MinceR	:)	Sep 11 18:46
MinceR	194508 < msb__> If you don't know that "Radio Free Europe" is the CIA, then you should get your head examined.	Sep 11 18:46
MinceR	good thing this isn't a personal attack	Sep 11 18:46
schestowitz	yes, it's CIA funded	Sep 11 18:46
schestowitz	similar to CIA but not interchangeable	Sep 11 18:46
MinceR	one of msb__'s beloved dictators, gaddafi destroyed libya	Sep 11 18:46
schestowitz	libya was OK before	Sep 11 18:46
MinceR	islamists destroyed iraq and syria	Sep 11 18:47
schestowitz	not the place people ran away from	Sep 11 18:47
MinceR	and russia destroyed afghanistan	Sep 11 18:47
schestowitz	they're resources-rich	Sep 11 18:47
schestowitz	so the West had to ruins it	Sep 11 18:47
msb__	https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aJURNC0e6Ek	Sep 11 18:47
schestowitz	*ruin	Sep 11 18:47
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.youtube.com \| Libya Truth (DnB Soundtrack) - YouTube [ http://ur1.ca/jld5s ]		Sep 11 18:47
MinceR	question is, who's "resources-rich" there, the people or the dictator who owns them?	Sep 11 18:47
schestowitz	no, russia was provoked from afgh' even before going there	Sep 11 18:47
schestowitz	it was a Brezinski strategy	Sep 11 18:47
schestowitz	to entice them in	Sep 11 18:47
schestowitz	MinceR: same issue in Iraq	Sep 11 18:48
schestowitz	at least they were stable before	Sep 11 18:48
schestowitz	why doesn't the US/NATO bomb Saudi Arabia	Sep 11 18:48
schestowitz	or UQE	Sep 11 18:48
schestowitz	Bahrain	Sep 11 18:48
schestowitz	Oman	Sep 11 18:48
MinceR	being stable is little comfort to the slave	Sep 11 18:48
schestowitz	for the oil going into the pickets of very few families?	Sep 11 18:48
schestowitz	or even Brunei for that matter...	Sep 11 18:48
MinceR	those in gulags probably wished for the opposite of stability	Sep 11 18:48
schestowitz	they're not any less slaves than they were before	Sep 11 18:49
schestowitz	these issues are orthoginal	Sep 11 18:49
schestowitz	ruining these countries hasn't the goal or redistributing wealth	Sep 11 18:49
schestowitz	just some vacuous promises of "freedom and democracy'	Sep 11 18:49
schestowitz	where democracy means few British and US generals electing a puppet	Sep 11 18:49
MinceR	which would normally lead to redistributing wealth in a sense	Sep 11 18:49
schestowitz	hardly	Sep 11 18:50
schestowitz	maybe a distant side effect	Sep 11 18:50
schestowitz	it ruins the national worth	Sep 11 18:50
MinceR	living in a democracy is certainly more free and allows for more control over resources than being owned by a dictatorship	Sep 11 18:50
schestowitz	how many people have toured into Iraq for holiday?	Sep 11 18:50
MinceR	when did they do that?	Sep 11 18:50
schestowitz	How many businesses set up a HQ/branch there since Shock and Awe	Sep 11 18:50
schestowitz	Their worth and their name	Sep 11 18:51
MinceR	afaik it was pretty long ago when the muslims in the middle east weren't trying to exterminate each other	Sep 11 18:51
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schestowitz	let's be honest, NATO didn't bring democracy to Iraq and Libya	Sep 11 18:51
schestowitz	at least _not yet_	Sep 11 18:51
MinceR	they probably didn't	Sep 11 18:51
schestowitz	it's hardly even on the agenda	Sep 11 18:51
schestowitz	and watch Afgh'	Sep 11 18:51
MinceR	and it's probably not even possible	Sep 11 18:51
msb__	Watch this video to see how "dictator" Qadaffi "oppressed": his people. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aJURNC0e6Ek	Sep 11 18:51
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.youtube.com \| Libya Truth (DnB Soundtrack) - YouTube [ http://ur1.ca/jld5s ]		Sep 11 18:51
MinceR	just as it isn't possible to maintain democracy in hungary	Sep 11 18:51
schestowitz	it's just a showoff and discharge of many bombs and other munitions	Sep 11 18:52
schestowitz	Hungary is far better off, for now...	Sep 11 18:52
MinceR	better than who?	Sep 11 18:52
schestowitz	You don't have to worry about car bombs for instance	Sep 11 18:52
schestowitz	better than the countries we speak of	Sep 11 18:52
MinceR	i have to worry about nukes, instead	Sep 11 18:52
MinceR	is that better?	Sep 11 18:52
schestowitz	whose? Putler?	Sep 11 18:52
MinceR	yup	Sep 11 18:53
MinceR	he's playing war next door	Sep 11 18:53
schestowitz	Russia never nuked anyone, US has	Sep 11 18:53
MinceR	because the ukrainians dared to try to become democratic	Sep 11 18:53
MinceR	russia is saber-rattling, not the us	Sep 11 18:53
schestowitz	let's wait for "Hungarian separatists"	Sep 11 18:53
MinceR	russia is openly threatening everyone with nukes, not the us	Sep 11 18:53
schestowitz	with Russian accent	Sep 11 18:53
MinceR	that will not be necessary unless a revolution deposes orban/vona	Sep 11 18:53
schestowitz	Who is Orban loyal to anyway?	Sep 11 18:54
MinceR	our government loves putin, like yanukovych and lukashenka do	Sep 11 18:54
MinceR	not sure	Sep 11 18:54
schestowitz	EU, US, Russia?	Sep 11 18:54
schestowitz	and to what degree to each?	Sep 11 18:54
MinceR	certainly not to the EU or the US	Sep 11 18:54
schestowitz	based on rhetoric at least	Sep 11 18:54
schestowitz	I think he meets Putler sometimes	Sep 11 18:54
MinceR	probably to russia, but it's hard to tell to what extent	Sep 11 18:54
schestowitz	but so does Merkel	Sep 11 18:54
schestowitz	Romania gave the CIA torture sites	Sep 11 18:55
schestowitz	not far from Russia	Sep 11 18:55
schestowitz	!google romania black sites	Sep 11 18:55
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TechrightsBot-tr	[2] - Black site - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia \| https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Black_site	Sep 11 18:55
TechrightsBot-tr	[3] - CIA Black Site in Romania: Hidden in Plain Sight \| Mother Jones \| http://www.motherjones.com/mojo/2011/12/cia-black-site-romania-hidden-plain-sight	Sep 11 18:55
TechrightsBot-tr	[4] - Romanian ex-spy chief acknowledges CIA had 'black prisons' in ... \| http://www.theguardian.com/world/2014/dec/14/romania-cia-black-prisons-ioan-talpes	Sep 11 18:55
MinceR	russia is violating airspaces with nuclear carriers, not the us	Sep 11 18:55
schestowitz	!google us planes taiwan	Sep 11 18:55
TechrightsBot-tr	[1] - China objects after US fighter planes land in Taiwan - Yahoo News \| http://news.yahoo.com/china-objects-us-fighter-planes-land-taiwan-110734376.html	Sep 11 18:55
TechrightsBot-tr	[2] - US Marine F-18s Land at Taiwan Air Base, Beijing Protests \| The ... \| http://thediplomat.com/2015/04/us-marine-f-18s-land-at-taiwan-air-base-beijing-protests/	Sep 11 18:55
TechrightsBot-tr	[3] - Two US F-18 Fighters Forced to Land in Taiwan \| Military.com \| http://www.military.com/daily-news/2015/04/01/two-us-f-18-fighters-forced-to-land-in-taiwan.html	Sep 11 18:55
TechrightsBot-tr	[4] - 'Wow, pulled back wrong throttle:' captain of crashed TransAsia plane \| http://www.reuters.com/article/2015/07/02/us-taiwan-airplane-idUSKCN0PC05L20150702	Sep 11 18:55
MinceR	russia is DDoSing european countries, not the us	Sep 11 18:55
schestowitz	so that last statement is not ENTIRELY true	Sep 11 18:55
schestowitz	it's just often omitted from our media	Sep 11 18:55
schestowitz	British media speaks of such planes flying near Scotlancd	Sep 11 18:56
schestowitz	US does too	Sep 11 18:56
schestowitz	Even worse	Sep 11 18:56
schestowitz	!google us syrian internet	Sep 11 18:56
TechrightsBot-tr	[1] - Syria Internet Blackout - Huffington Post \| http://www.huffingtonpost.com/news/syria-internet-blackout/	Sep 11 18:56
TechrightsBot-tr	[2] - Snowden: NSA accidentally caused Syria's internet blackout in 2012 ... \| http://www.theguardian.com/world/2014/aug/13/snowden-nsa-syria-internet-outage-civil-war	Sep 11 18:56
TechrightsBot-tr	[3] - Internet censorship in Syria - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia \| https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Internet_censorship_in_Syria	Sep 11 18:56
TechrightsBot-tr	[4] - Elite US hackers shut down Syrian internet trying to snoop on ... - RT \| http://www.rt.com/news/180304-syria-internet-blackout-nsa/	Sep 11 18:56
MinceR	https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cyberattacks_during_the_Russo-Georgian_War	Sep 11 18:56
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-en.wikipedia.org \| Cyberattacks during the Russo-Georgian War - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia [ http://ur1.ca/nr78v ]		Sep 11 18:56
MinceR	http://www.darkreading.com/attacks-and-breaches/ddos-attacks-hit-nato-ukrainian-media-outlets/d/d-id/1127742	Sep 11 18:56
schestowitz	!google us huaweir	Sep 11 18:56
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.darkreading.com \| DDoS Attacks Hit NATO, Ukrainian Media Outlets [ http://ur1.ca/nr78x ]		Sep 11 18:56
TechrightsBot-tr	[1] - Huawei United States - A leading global ICT solutions provider \| http://www.huawei.com/us/	Sep 11 18:56
TechrightsBot-tr	[2] - Huawei United States - Research & Development \| http://www.huawei.com/us/about-huawei/corporate-info/research-development/	Sep 11 18:56
TechrightsBot-tr	[3] - HuaweiDeviceUSA (@HuaweiDeviceUSA) \| Twitter \| https://twitter.com/huaweideviceusa	Sep 11 18:56
TechrightsBot-tr	[4] - Huawei USA - A Global Information Communications Technology ... \| http://usahuawei.com/	Sep 11 18:56
schestowitz	!google us huawei breach	Sep 11 18:56
TechrightsBot-tr	[1] - NSA Breached Chinese Servers Seen as Security Threat - The New ... \| http://www.nytimes.com/2014/03/23/world/asia/nsa-breached-chinese-servers-seen-as-spy-peril.html	Sep 11 18:56
TechrightsBot-tr	[2] - NSA accused of breaching networks run by China's Huawei - FT.com \| http://www.ft.com/cms/s/0/beb9f242-b26f-11e3-b891-00144feabdc0.html	Sep 11 18:56
TechrightsBot-tr	[3] - NSA infiltrates servers of China telecom giant Huawei: report \| Reuters \| http://www.reuters.com/article/2014/03/24/us-usa-security-china-nsa-idUSBREA2L0PD20140324	Sep 11 18:56
TechrightsBot-tr	[4] - Leak Shows NSA Breached Huawei's Internal Servers, Grabbed ... \| https://www.techdirt.com/articles/20140323/08082126663/leak-shows-nsa-breached-huaweis-internal-servers-grabbed-executive-emails-source-code.shtml	Sep 11 18:56
schestowitz	MinceR: yes, I read about that recently	Sep 11 18:57
schestowitz	Also Estonia	Sep 11 18:57
schestowitz	seems like there's strong evidence of Kremlin punishing Estonia using DDOS	Sep 11 18:57
MinceR	russia abducted an estonian official, not the us	Sep 11 18:57
MinceR	"punishing" for what?	Sep 11 18:57
MinceR	for the crime of not being a part of the soviet union anymore?	Sep 11 18:57
MinceR	what makes russians think they have the right to own other countries?	Sep 11 18:57
schestowitz	Right, but that's not the point	Sep 11 18:58
*amarsh04 (~amarsh04@ppp118-210-85-162.lns20.adl2.internode.on.net) has joined #techrights		Sep 11 18:58
MinceR	actually, it is the point	Sep 11 18:58
schestowitz	when these nations join NATO Russia sees that as a threat	Sep 11 18:58
schestowitz	it's hostility next door	Sep 11 18:58
schestowitz	and possibly nuke launch sites, not just black sites	Sep 11 18:58
MinceR	yeah, russia sees everybody not in handcuffs in a gulag as a threat	Sep 11 18:58
MinceR	it's russia's fault russia is so paranoid	Sep 11 18:58
MinceR	not anyone else's	Sep 11 18:58
schestowitz	That's the case with Ukraine, which Stalin punished by killing around 10ml people in...	Sep 11 18:58
MinceR	good thing there are no nuke launch sites in kaliningrad	Sep 11 18:59
MinceR	oh wait, there are	Sep 11 18:59
schestowitz	Russia has a history of hostility from within Europe	Sep 11 18:59
MinceR	i wonder why	Sep 11 18:59
schestowitz	notably Napoleon and Hitler	Sep 11 18:59
MinceR	why would anyone be hostile to a routine invader?	Sep 11 18:59
MinceR	why would anyone be hostile to the country that took part in putting down the https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hungarian_Revolution_of_1848 ?	Sep 11 19:00
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-en.wikipedia.org \| Hungarian Revolution of 1848 - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia [ http://ur1.ca/nr7ab ]		Sep 11 19:00
MinceR	russia is the one who's playing nuclear russian roulette with the entire planet, not anyone else	Sep 11 19:03
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msb__	MinceR: If you want to be a believeable CIA mouthpiece you have to put at least a little information in with your talking point, even if it's totally fabricated.	Sep 11 19:07
MinceR	msb__: if you want to be a believable putin mouthpiece you'll have to lie a little less	Sep 11 19:07
msb__	Here's a discussion indicating that the US-installed Kiev regime is not doing very well. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NEDMYCUUcYE	Sep 11 19:08
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.youtube.com \| CrossTalk: Kiev Infighting - YouTube [ http://ur1.ca/nr7dp ]		Sep 11 19:08
MinceR	it's hard to do well in a poor country with russian forces on your soil.	Sep 11 19:08
MinceR	especially having no nukes (having given them up in a memorandum russia has already violated) while the russians are threatening to nuke you	Sep 11 19:09
MinceR	ironically, have they not signed the Budapest Memorandum, ukraine wouldn't be in such a shitty situation.	Sep 11 19:09
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MinceR	https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Budapest_Memorandum_on_Security_Assurances	Sep 11 19:10
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-en.wikipedia.org \| Budapest Memorandum on Security Assurances - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia [ http://ur1.ca/nr7ek ]		Sep 11 19:10
MinceR	"Respect Ukrainian independence and sovereignty and the existing borders."	Sep 11 19:10
schestowitz	just read about https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Katyn_massacre thanks to a link from MinceR - useful to know	Sep 11 19:12
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-en.wikipedia.org \| Katyn massacre - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia [ http://ur1.ca/nr6tb ]		Sep 11 19:12
schestowitz	I think I saw a movie related to it, but it was in Russian without subtitles	Sep 11 19:13
schestowitz	MinceR's links are actually quite enlightening	Sep 11 19:15
schestowitz	just read about the Estonia thing	Sep 11 19:15
MinceR	i try	Sep 11 19:15
schestowitz	Even though I don't trust Vox	Sep 11 19:15
schestowitz	I'm always willing to change my stance given enough evidence that Russia is still so evil	Sep 11 19:16
schestowitz	But the US is too, in similar ways	Sep 11 19:16
schestowitz	South American countries look very peaceful in comparison	Sep 11 19:16
MinceR	the evidence that made me change my stance regarding russia was their invasion of ukraine	Sep 11 19:16
MinceR	i should have been more observant	Sep 11 19:16
schestowitz	Maybe because they don't have the power yet	Sep 11 19:16
MinceR	after all, they did shit in georgia too	Sep 11 19:17
MinceR	and who knows where else	Sep 11 19:17
schestowitz	It's easy to understand why Argentina would try to assert ownership of some places near its shore and the Antarctic areas	Sep 11 19:17
MinceR	i'm not sure about the antarctic ones	Sep 11 19:17
schestowitz	They did it in Georgia around 9/11	Sep 11 19:17
MinceR	is there oil there?	Sep 11 19:17
schestowitz	when the US would be too hypocritical to say much	Sep 11 19:17
schestowitz	And Israel punished the Palestinians collectively at that time	Sep 11 19:18
schestowitz	9/11 was a gift to many	Sep 11 19:18
MinceR	the 2014 winter olympics were pretty nasty too	Sep 11 19:18
schestowitz	I saw a movie about the operations in Georgia last year	Sep 11 19:18
schestowitz	I don't know of anything nasty except the homophobia	Sep 11 19:18
schestowitz	and the attacks on 'pussy riot' activists	Sep 11 19:19
schestowitz	though they were trolling for this reaction in a way	Sep 11 19:19
schestowitz	Cossacks whipped them when the cameras were rolling	Sep 11 19:19
MinceR	yeah, those were the worst of it	Sep 11 19:20
schestowitz	I think russia will host some big football event or athletics/Olympics soon, maybe a decade ahead?	Sep 11 19:20
schestowitz	I can't recall where and when	Sep 11 19:20
schestowitz	I have some friends who fled Russia and Ukraine	Sep 11 19:20
schestowitz	[17:41] <MinceR> http://i.4cdn.org/b/1441980895703.gif	Sep 11 19:22
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights- ( status 404 @ http://i.4cdn.org/b/1441980895703.gif )		Sep 11 19:22
schestowitz	404	Sep 11 19:22
schestowitz	what was it?	Sep 11 19:22
MinceR	a short clip of two apartment buildings falling (from above) on two planes on the ground	Sep 11 19:22
MinceR	http://www.penny-arcade.com/comic/2015/09/11/linguamancy	Sep 11 19:23
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.penny-arcade.com \| Penny Arcade - Comic - Linguamancy [ http://ur1.ca/nr7j1 ]		Sep 11 19:23
schestowitz	sounds like 9/11 in reverse	Sep 11 19:23
MinceR	pretty much	Sep 11 19:23
schestowitz	wow, this channel is flooded with Cold War-type debate	Sep 11 19:23
schestowitz	I think msb__ is to blame	Sep 11 19:23
MinceR	well, we're in the second cold war	Sep 11 19:24
schestowitz	msb__: join #boycottnovell-social	Sep 11 19:24
schestowitz	it's more suitable for politics	Sep 11 19:24
schestowitz	I can hardly find people here who try to say something about EPO, Vista 10, etc.	Sep 11 19:24
schestowitz	lots about 'putler', 'destroy', 'Nazi' and 9/11 stuff	Sep 11 19:25
schestowitz	outsiders can use that to discredit the site's articles	Sep 11 19:25
schestowitz	because these are divisive issues -- divisive not in the technology sense but politics of superpowers, plus some irrational theories	Sep 11 19:25
MinceR	outsiders can also see the #boycottnovell-social logs though, can't they?	Sep 11 19:26
schestowitz	yes, but they're more diluted	Sep 11 19:28
schestowitz	and not analogous with the site's name	Sep 11 19:28
schestowitz	people who want to dox things come here first	Sep 11 19:28
schestowitz	if they see things like these they might hesitate, or think they got the wrong channel:	Sep 11 19:29
schestowitz	[16:10] <msb__> But regarding "push your borders", the US has, by its military and the jihadist proxies it has given weapons and money to, pushed its effective borders to Afghanistan, Iraq, Libya,Ukraine, Syria, and has destroyed, or is in the process of destroying, all those nations.	Sep 11 19:29
msb__	Yes. As usual that was in response to an attack by MinceR.	Sep 11 19:30
schestowitz	it wouldn't happen if these topics weren't brought up	Sep 11 19:30
schestowitz	most/all of us agree on software freedom, drm, copyright, etc.	Sep 11 19:30
MinceR	afaik of all countries mentioned, only russia made an attempt to change its own borders	Sep 11 19:30
schestowitz	but not on politics	Sep 11 19:30
schestowitz	easy for you to not mind putin when you're so far away	Sep 11 19:30
msb__	Can't you fix your alarm so it's case-sensitive and only responds to "Roy"?	Sep 11 19:30
MinceR	shouldn't be case-sensitive, as he tends to use 'roy' as nick or part of nick	Sep 11 19:31
schestowitz	that's not my main gripe	Sep 11 19:31
MinceR	but if it only triggers at the beginning of a word, that probably helps	Sep 11 19:31
MinceR	(neither of those are necessarily easy to do, though)	Sep 11 19:31
schestowitz	there are many links here that, by inference, can be used to discredit us collectively	Sep 11 19:31
schestowitz	calling us "conspiracy nuts"	Sep 11 19:32
schestowitz	or calling the site that	Sep 11 19:32
schestowitz	some people sued radical comments in the site's comments to collectively portray me as radical, or the site as radical (because of anonymous comments)	Sep 11 19:32
schestowitz	some people are desperate for such dirt	Sep 11 19:32
schestowitz	in COLA this month some people try to refuse all my Vista 10 articles collectively	Sep 11 19:33
schestowitz	by libelling me, claiming I don't have a Ph.D and am faking it	Sep 11 19:33
schestowitz	they wrote nearly 100 posts just about that, totally made up, and they try to do the same thing using IRC logs	Sep 11 19:33
msb__	Watch all the 911 videos linked on my site and then tell me its only a "conspiracy theory". Why don't you try standing up for the objective truth?	Sep 11 19:33
schestowitz	don't give them ammo	Sep 11 19:33
schestowitz	I saw 9/11 "truther" videos	Sep 11 19:33
schestowitz	I also saw responses to them	Sep 11 19:34
schestowitz	and I made up my mind	Sep 11 19:34
schestowitz	A long time ago	Sep 11 19:34
msb__	Look at the ones on my site.	Sep 11 19:34
schestowitz	If you have NEW information, please share	Sep 11 19:34
schestowitz	the 28 pages that include role of Saudi being suepcted were recently redacted	Sep 11 19:34
msb__	Have you seen the first one?	Sep 11 19:34
schestowitz	and they didn't do anything to change my understanding of what had happened	Sep 11 19:34
schestowitz	redacted and release, partly	Sep 11 19:35
msb__	How do you explain 10 ton girders being propelled sideways at 70 mph, when F=ma and F and a are both vectors?	Sep 11 19:35
schestowitz	the ones in your site will most likely contain fragments and arguments along the line of the rest of these videos	Sep 11 19:35
schestowitz	so let it rest	Sep 11 19:35
msb__	http://cosmicpenguin.com/#911	Sep 11 19:35
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-cosmicpenguin.com \| Human Society That Works For Everyone		Sep 11 19:35
schestowitz	msb__: are you a physicist?	Sep 11 19:36
schestowitz	What is your higher education in?	Sep 11 19:36
msb__	EE	Sep 11 19:36
schestowitz	So not physics	Sep 11 19:36
msb__	and enough physics to understand a vector equation.	Sep 11 19:36
msb__	How do you explain 10 ton girders being propelled sideways at 70 mph, when F=ma and F and a are both vectors?	Sep 11 19:36
schestowitz	Ask physicists and construction /architecture people about it	Sep 11 19:37
schestowitz	You'll get a similar answer to what people get regarding global warning from actual climatilogists	Sep 11 19:37
msb__	Don't you know enough physics to understand it?	Sep 11 19:37
schestowitz	*tol	Sep 11 19:37
schestowitz	I didn't design these buildings	Sep 11 19:37
schestowitz	neither did you	Sep 11 19:37
MinceR	even the presented data are suspect and need more explanation	Sep 11 19:38
schestowitz	you and I never designed even a simple bridge	Sep 11 19:38
msb__	Argument from authority.	Sep 11 19:38
schestowitz	yes	Sep 11 19:38
schestowitz	because they are better equipped to debate is among themselves	Sep 11 19:38
msb__	BS	Sep 11 19:38
schestowitz	rather than armchair experts	Sep 11 19:38
schestowitz	imagine a construction guy arguing with us about software back doors	Sep 11 19:38
schestowitz	waste of debate time	Sep 11 19:39
msb__	Not if he knows software.	Sep 11 19:39
schestowitz	is he's a guru in software, than he's a jack of several trades	Sep 11 19:39
schestowitz	are you jack of architecture 'trade'?	Sep 11 19:39
schestowitz	And if so, what do you have to show for it?	Sep 11 19:39
schestowitz	did you ever build a prototype?	Sep 11 19:40
schestowitz	A friend of mine does	Sep 11 19:40
schestowitz	Mike is doing physics related to that stuff, and he can simulate things	Sep 11 19:40
msb__	The construction method had nothing to do with what caused the girders to fly horizontally.	Sep 11 19:40
schestowitz	not just uttering stuff like "freefall" and waving his hands about (BTW, there was no freefall speed fall, these are lies and doctored videos)	Sep 11 19:41
msb__	Are you afraid to watch those videos?	Sep 11 19:41
schestowitz	I am afraid of wasting my time AGAIN looking through them	Sep 11 19:41
MinceR	"are you... chicken?"	Sep 11 19:41
schestowitz	because it turns out some are fictional and all are intentional or unintentional dishonest	Sep 11 19:41
schestowitz	Or cite others who are dishonest	Sep 11 19:41
schestowitz	MinceR: McFly	Sep 11 19:42
MinceR	indeed	Sep 11 19:42
schestowitz	msb__: I want to post some Linux links now	Sep 11 19:42
schestowitz	No time to travel back to 9/11 'celebration' (by politicians who exploit the event)	Sep 11 19:42
schestowitz	[16:06] <Sosumi> http://arstechnica.com/information-technology/2015/09/microsoft-is-downloading-windows-10-to-pcs-even-if-you-dont-reserve-a-copy/	Sep 11 19:42
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-arstechnica.com \| Microsoft is downloading Windows 10 to PCs, even if you don’t “reserve” a copy \| Ars Technica [ http://ur1.ca/nr5de ]		Sep 11 19:42
schestowitz	Wow, Conde Nast covered it	Sep 11 19:43
schestowitz	MS Peter?	Sep 11 19:43
schestowitz	Let's see how he spins it...	Sep 11 19:43
msb__	The excuses you come up with for not accessing the evidence are like someone obeying a post-hypnotic command.	Sep 11 19:43
Sosumi	Spin Doctor	Sep 11 19:43
schestowitz	Oh, wrong guess	Sep 11 19:43
schestowitz	Not, MS Peter	Sep 11 19:43
schestowitz	" by Cassandra Khaw (UK) - Sep 11, 2015 1:20 pm UTC "	Sep 11 19:43
schestowitz	"Files of up to 6GB in size showing up in a hidden directory.'	Sep 11 19:43
schestowitz	LOL hidden directory	Sep 11 19:43
schestowitz	They hide their plot worse than people hide their pr0n directory/folder	Sep 11 19:44
Sosumi	he'll probably talk about it one way or another, trying to mitigate the bad rep	Sep 11 19:44
MinceR	maybe they'll develop a rootkit like sony's	Sep 11 19:44
MinceR	to hide stuff better	Sep 11 19:45
schestowitz	Imagine how far they need to go to hide.... WINDOWS	Sep 11 19:47
schestowitz	Not DRM or a Trojan	Sep 11 19:47
schestowitz	Just Windows, or a spyware version/incarnation thereof	Sep 11 19:48
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Samsung Z3 (SM-Z300F) could be heading for	Sep 11 19:48
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schestowitz	I hope	Sep 11 19:48
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tizenexperts.com \| Samsung Z3 (SM-Z300F) could be heading for Russia, with Tizen Love! - Tizen Experts		Sep 11 19:48
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schestowitz	people will learn what the 'new' Microsoft is like	Sep 11 19:48
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schestowitz	[14:40] <MinceR> http://www.rouming.cz/roumingShow.php?file=push_your_borders.jpg	Sep 11 19:48
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.rouming.cz \| Roumenův Rouming - Zábavné a zajímavé obrázky - push your borders [ http://ur1.ca/nr4i7 ]		Sep 11 19:48
schestowitz	He's not in bad shape for his age	Sep 11 19:48
MinceR	it seems that the people stopped caring	Sep 11 19:48
schestowitz	see the comment about Nigel Farage	Sep 11 19:48
schestowitz	he does look similar	Sep 11 19:48
schestowitz	Putin brings pride to some Russian people	Sep 11 19:49
schestowitz	They got nothing, except the oligarchs	Sep 11 19:49
MinceR	schestowitz: that's what his fans are wanking to	Sep 11 19:49
schestowitz	But blonde, clearn-shaved Putin gives them a sense of pride, and they don't get to vote for him	Sep 11 19:49
MinceR	crApple, m$, intel and their associates made DRM, rootkits, malware and botnets "cool", "hip" and acceptable	Sep 11 19:50
schestowitz	It's like the US where they elect people to President right from the army (generals) and Hollywood (Reagan for example)	Sep 11 19:50
MinceR	oh, also, closed platforms	Sep 11 19:50
schestowitz	No such thing in the UK, yet, AFAIK	Sep 11 19:50
MinceR	consumers who don't understand any of this are driving most of the sales	Sep 11 19:50
MinceR	and thus the IT industry dies	Sep 11 19:50
schestowitz	Rianns is posting some links in tuxmachines, I think I'll join her now, caught up with all that Cold War stuff in #techrights ..	Sep 11 19:51
MinceR	the industry is transitioning to exclusively manufacture things that are useless for anything other than naive consumption	Sep 11 19:51
schestowitz	msb__: try to post links about technology	Sep 11 19:51
schestowitz	it would do a better service to the cause/goals	Sep 11 19:51
schestowitz	Apple made me laugh this week	Sep 11 19:51
schestowitz	Apple Pencil	Sep 11 19:51
*jono has quit (Quit: This computer has gone to sleep)		Sep 11 19:51
schestowitz	I thought it was a joke	Sep 11 19:51
schestowitz	smells like something out of the Onion	Sep 11 19:51
schestowitz	!google theonion apple interface	Sep 11 19:52
TechrightsBot-tr	[1] - Apple Introduces Revolutionary New Laptop With No ... - The Onion \| http://www.theonion.com/video/apple-introduces-revolutionary-new-laptop-with-no--14299	Sep 11 19:52
TechrightsBot-tr	[2] - Apple Fans Demand Other Products They Can Feel ... - The Onion \| http://www.theonion.com/tag/apple	Sep 11 19:52
TechrightsBot-tr	[3] - Apple Introduces Revolutionary New Laptop With No Keyboard ... \| http://www.youtube.com/watch%3Fv%3D9BnLbv6QYcA	Sep 11 19:52
TechrightsBot-tr	[4] - Humor and irony: The Onion gave us a glimpse of Apple Watch UI ... \| http://www.phonearena.com/news/Humor-and-irony-The-Onion-gave-us-a-glimpse-of-Apple-Watch-UI-and-wheel-six-years-ago_id69057	Sep 11 19:52
schestowitz	Apple's stock has taken the beating, too	Sep 11 19:52
schestowitz	and Microsoft attended their event	Sep 11 19:52
schestowitz	no lessons learned	Sep 11 19:52
schestowitz	Microsoft's chief evangelist said, "I’ve killed at least two Mac conferences. [...] by injecting Microsoft content into the conference, the conference got shut down. The guy who ran it said, why am I doing this?"	Sep 11 19:53
schestowitz	I'm sure Apple fans and drones were delighted to learn about MS Office for 'i' things...	Sep 11 19:54
schestowitz	After they had paid to attend the cult event	Sep 11 19:54
MinceR	it's revolutionary in that it's inferior to wacom's offerings everyone else has been using for years	Sep 11 19:54
schestowitz	https://twitter.com/JoylynBest/status/642407624554729474	Sep 11 19:54
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@JoylynBest: #FollowFriday @Progress4Ohio @JeffreyGuterman @schestowitz for being top influencers in my community this week :)		Sep 11 19:54
schestowitz	did you see what Jobs said in 2007?	Sep 11 19:55
schestowitz	he mocked the stylus	Sep 11 19:55
schestowitz	I can find the link	Sep 11 19:55
schestowitz	He had a slide up celebrating 'i' Pad and saying stylus is bad...	Sep 11 19:55
schestowitz	I guess it took 8 years for Apple to realise they were wrong and call this wrongness "innovation"	Sep 11 19:55
schestowitz	$99 stylus	Sep 11 19:56
MinceR	yeah, i remember	Sep 11 19:56
MinceR	it was because he was always a shallow idiot	Sep 11 19:57
MinceR	does even their current attempt at a stylus get detected when close to, but not touching, the display?	Sep 11 19:57
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schestowitz	https://twitter.com/Oxfordite/status/642411484874719232	Sep 11 19:58
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@Oxfordite: "@AJimenez1988: @schestowitz @glynmoody It's perfectly regulated to avoid pesky upstarts unbalancing the statu quo." I resemble that remark!		Sep 11 19:58
DaemonFC	J. R. Bob Dobbs (formerly ZOMG Pink Ponies) says:	Sep 11 19:58
DaemonFC	The bible proves that God exists in the same way that The Hitchhiker's Guide To The Galaxy proves that Vogons are real and that you shouldn't listen to their poetry.	Sep 11 19:58
schestowitz	Dianetics proves theons exist	Sep 11 19:59
schestowitz	Did I spell this nonsense right?	Sep 11 19:59
schestowitz	Harry Potter 'proves' hobbits exist	Sep 11 19:59
schestowitz	and some children's books 'prove' witches and monsters under the bed exist	Sep 11 20:00
DaemonFC	thetans	Sep 11 20:00
MinceR	thetans	Sep 11 20:00
DaemonFC	I believe it's spelled thetans	Sep 11 20:00
MinceR	http://imgur.com/gallery/yx8heXS	Sep 11 20:01
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schestowitz	good one, a bit dated	Sep 11 20:05
schestowitz	and a very old counter-argument	Sep 11 20:05
schestowitz	another word is "cult'	Sep 11 20:05
schestowitz	for very small religions	Sep 11 20:05
schestowitz	but every religion starts small, i.e. "cult"	Sep 11 20:05
schestowitz	the "successful" ones get respect	Sep 11 20:05
MinceR	i call the big cults cults, too	Sep 11 20:05
MinceR	they don't deserve respect	Sep 11 20:06
schestowitz	because it's risky to involve and insult a large 'market share'	Sep 11 20:06
schestowitz	in the case of Islam, you might lose your head for it	Sep 11 20:06
schestowitz	even if you live in Europe	Sep 11 20:06
MinceR	elsewhere too	Sep 11 20:06
schestowitz	I said even	Sep 11 20:06
MinceR	i mean not only in islam	Sep 11 20:06
schestowitz	In Saudi you can get prison and lashes	Sep 11 20:07
schestowitz	in singapore a boy of 16 years of age was sent to prison for it	Sep 11 20:07
schestowitz	"insulting Christiana"	Sep 11 20:07
schestowitz	"insulting Christians"	Sep 11 20:07
DaemonFC	Ryan Farmer It wasn't the worst day in history for me. I got up and put my clothes on and had some oatmeal. I didn't personally know anyone that died. Since 9/11 over 60,000 pedestrians have been killed by vehicles due to inadequate crosswalks. Maybe Congress should spend $2 trillion on that?	Sep 11 20:07
schestowitz	DaemonFC: more than 2 trillion	Sep 11 20:08
schestowitz	maybe 2 would be for Iraq alone	Sep 11 20:08
schestowitz	the WoT thing has cost at least 4 trillion since then, based on an estimate I saw the other day	Sep 11 20:09
schestowitz	inclusive of some things I can remember	Sep 11 20:09
schestowitz	on the bright side, it created some US jobs	Sep 11 20:09
schestowitz	while killing innocent Arabs whose countries were invaded	Sep 11 20:09
schestowitz	DaemonFC: better speak of cancer research	Sep 11 20:09
MinceR	perhaps lives weren't the point	Sep 11 20:10
schestowitz	cancer kills far more than 60,000 in 14 years	Sep 11 20:10
schestowitz	maybe over 2 million in the US alone	Sep 11 20:10
schestowitz	I don't have the number offhand, I looked into that last year	Sep 11 20:10
schestowitz	it's a staggering number	Sep 11 20:10
schestowitz	even if you exclude amputees who lost limbs and breasts to cancer	Sep 11 20:10
schestowitz	so use the cancer card against WoT	Sep 11 20:11
schestowitz	or both that and driving accidents	Sep 11 20:11
schestowitz	or people killed by police, etc.	Sep 11 20:11
MinceR	web of trust?	Sep 11 20:11
schestowitz	!google how many people die each year drown bath	Sep 11 20:11
TechrightsBot-tr	[1] - Unintentional Drowning - Centers for Disease Control and Prevention \| http://www.cdc.gov/HomeandRecreationalSafety/Water-Safety/waterinjuries-factsheet.html	Sep 11 20:11
TechrightsBot-tr	[2] - Carlson: Guns don't kill people, bathtubs do \| PunditFact - PolitiFact \| http://www.politifact.com/punditfact/statements/2014/aug/15/tucker-carlson/carlson-guns-dont-kill-people-bathtubs-do/	Sep 11 20:11
TechrightsBot-tr	[3] - Someone drowns in a tub nearly every day in America - seattlepi.com \| http://www.seattlepi.com/national/article/Someone-drowns-in-a-tub-nearly-every-day-in-1201018.php	Sep 11 20:11
TechrightsBot-tr	[4] - Most Common Causes of Death Due to Injury in the US \| http://danger.mongabay.com/injury_death.htm	Sep 11 20:11
schestowitz	see [3]	Sep 11 20:12
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schestowitz	https://twitter.com/bramatti/status/642415924042199045	Sep 11 20:17
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@bramatti: Let's bomb Bathistan https://t.co/Ol9YM4LAEe		Sep 11 20:17
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz: More people have died drowning in their bath since 9/11 than in 9/11 itself http://t.co/3pIfGabjVg #NeverForget911		Sep 11 20:17
schestowitz	https://twitter.com/Vecchi_Paolo/status/642416387340824576	Sep 11 20:17
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@Vecchi_Paolo: @schestowitz Who can forget 911. It's more than a decade that with that excuse have been bombing whatever they fancied. :-(		Sep 11 20:17
MinceR	coming up with excuses is the easier thing for all governments	Sep 11 20:18
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DaemonFC	J. R. Bob Dobbs (formerly ZOMG Pink Ponies) says:	Sep 11 20:35
DaemonFC	I thought it was funny when people were freaking out that airlines were serving Halal meals to passengers. Kosher and Halal are the same thing, except that Kosher requires a Rabbi to certify it, which means that food companies have to hire Rabbis, which adds cost to the food.	Sep 11 20:35
r_schestowitz	).	Sep 11 20:36
r_schestowitz	[20:22] <r_schestowitz> but excuses for what?	Sep 11 20:36
r_schestowitz	[20:22] <r_schestowitz> Wars?	Sep 11 20:36
r_schestowitz	[20:22] <MinceR> even wars	Sep 11 20:36
r_schestowitz	[20:23] <r_schestowitz> 9/11 is a good excuse	Sep 11 20:36
r_schestowitz	[20:23] <r_schestowitz> for bamboozling the public	Sep 11 20:36
r_schestowitz	[20:23] <r_schestowitz> evokes emotions	Sep 11 20:36
r_schestowitz	[20:23] <r_schestowitz> banking institutions falling down in the building	Sep 11 20:36
r_schestowitz	[20:23] <r_schestowitz> poor banks and hedge funds	Sep 11 20:36
r_schestowitz	[20:24] <r_schestowitz> suddenly the public wants to 'bail them out' with wars	Sep 11 20:36
r_schestowitz	[20:27] <MinceR> i haven't heard of that before	Sep 11 20:36
r_schestowitz	[20:27] <MinceR> warmongering to help banks and hedge funds?	Sep 11 20:36
r_schestowitz	[20:35] <r_schestowitz> hmm.. my crappy xchat didn't recover from BT issue	Sep 11 20:36
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MinceR	perhaps hexchat is better	Sep 11 20:37
r_schestowitz	sorry for that, pasting in for logger	Sep 11 20:37
r_schestowitz	cubelog also makes a backup	Sep 11 20:37
r_schestowitz	independent from this BT mess	Sep 11 20:37
MinceR	:)	Sep 11 20:37
r_schestowitz	I hate this BT thing, it got better 2 months ago...	Sep 11 20:38
r_schestowitz	I have something to compose about EPO now	Sep 11 20:38
r_schestowitz	new info came in	Sep 11 20:38
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DaemonFC	Leigh Traweek For some, it's a dodge to score a fresher meal. I've done it.	Sep 11 20:48
DaemonFC	Ryan Farmer Yeah, I've heard of this. Maybe I should just ask for Kosher so that I don't end up on a watch list for ordering Halal. :)	Sep 11 20:49
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Linux 4.3 PowerClamp Driver To Support Skylake	Sep 11 20:55
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r_schestowitz	https://www.joindiaspora.com/posts/6582799	Sep 11 20:57
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r_schestowitz	not a bad rant	Sep 11 20:57
r_schestowitz	[20:49] <DaemonFC> Ryan Farmer Yeah, I've heard of this. Maybe I should just ask for Kosher so that I don't end up on a watch list for ordering Halal. :)	Sep 11 20:58
r_schestowitz	Is halal only a Muslin thing, strictly?	Sep 11 20:58
r_schestowitz	*lim	Sep 11 20:58
r_schestowitz	Do Sikhs have nutritional preferences as religious law?	Sep 11 20:58
DaemonFC	I think it's a Muslim thing.	Sep 11 20:58
DaemonFC	It's the same rules as Kosher for the food itself.	Sep 11 20:58
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r_schestowitz	MinceR: MAD would have to be mad to make the same joke/caricature about Obama	Sep 11 23:13
r_schestowitz	you can compare only while people to their (very distant) cousins or ancestors	Sep 11 23:13
MinceR	indeed	Sep 11 23:14
MinceR	but then it wasn't obama who made a stupid remark about fiorina's face, afaik	Sep 11 23:14
r_schestowitz	ah	Sep 11 23:14
r_schestowitz	I missed that	Sep 11 23:14
r_schestowitz	now it makes sense	Sep 11 23:14
MinceR	:)	Sep 11 23:14
r_schestowitz	what a chauvinist	Sep 11 23:14
r_schestowitz	!google trump about kelly	Sep 11 23:14
TechrightsBot-tr	[1] - Trump draws outrage after Megyn Kelly remarks - CNNPolitics.com \| http://www.cnn.com/2015/08/08/politics/donald-trump-cnn-megyn-kelly-comment/	Sep 11 23:14
TechrightsBot-tr	[2] - Trump on Kelly: Blood was coming out of her eyes - CNN Video \| http://www.cnn.com/videos/us/2015/08/08/donald-trump-megyn-kelly-blood-lemon-intv-ctn.cnn	Sep 11 23:14
TechrightsBot-tr	[3] - Trump on Megyn Kelly controversy: The whole subject was 'fun ... \| http://www.politico.com/story/2015/08/donald-trump-response-megyn-kelly-controversy-121519	Sep 11 23:14
TechrightsBot-tr	[4] - Fiorina Responds to Trump's 'Look at That Face!' Comment \| Fox ... \| http://insider.foxnews.com/2015/09/09/carly-fiorina-responds-donald-trumps-comments-about-her-appearance-rolling-stone	Sep 11 23:14
r_schestowitz	see [4]	Sep 11 23:15
r_schestowitz	there's a series of these insensitive remarks	Sep 11 23:15
r_schestowitz	he sure would work well for diplomacy with female PMs	Sep 11 23:15
r_schestowitz	like Merkel, I forgot the names oft he Brazilian and Argentinian ones...	Sep 11 23:15
r_schestowitz	"So, I met this bitch... LOOK AT THAT FACE"	Sep 11 23:16
r_schestowitz	"I didn't sign the deal"	Sep 11 23:16
r_schestowitz	Even Putler wouldn't be so stupid	Sep 11 23:16
r_schestowitz	But I called Rump Rumpler earlier today	Sep 11 23:16
r_schestowitz	https://twitter.com/threatresearch/status/642460244820430848	Sep 11 23:17
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@threatresearch: @schestowitz or "filming digitally" but you're right, there's a lack of updated terminology		Sep 11 23:17
r_schestowitz	right, implies use of film, how did I miss that? :-)	Sep 11 23:18
r_schestowitz	https://twitter.com/retroDoomer/status/642464404378796032	Sep 11 23:27
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@retroDoomer: @schestowitz somebody should ask Merkel about him		Sep 11 23:27
r_schestowitz	She's be wise to say nothing or else he will insult her too and make press this way, as he often does....	Sep 11 23:28
r_schestowitz	She'd	Sep 11 23:28
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r_schestowitz	https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/642466360484888576	Sep 12 00:52
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz: Rump's intimidation tactics against people who don't agree with him (especially women) characteristic of his class. Like the real #billgates		Sep 12 00:52
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r_schestowitz	https://joindiaspora.com/posts/6583351	Sep 12 01:08
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schestowitz	hmmm... tuxmachines gallery silently broke	Sep 12 01:37
schestowitz	php errors	Sep 12 01:37
schestowitz	last seen working http://web.archive.org/web/20150414040441/http://www.tuxmachines.org/gallery/main.php	Sep 12 01:37
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-web.archive.org \| TuxGallery [ http://ur1.ca/nrbah ]		Sep 12 01:37
schestowitz	april	Sep 12 01:37
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schestowitz	maybe broke some time this summer, only just noticed	Sep 12 01:37
schestowitz	turns out a turbulence/DDOS thing crased the cache DB table	Sep 12 01:47
schestowitz	repairing the DB now	Sep 12 01:47
schestowitz	who knows when this broke	Sep 12 01:47
schestowitz	my logs go back as far one one month only	Sep 12 01:47
schestowitz	so it had been broken, silently, for AT LEAST a month	Sep 12 01:47
schestowitz	June 7th I made a repair job	Sep 12 01:54
schestowitz	So I assume some time between then and now the DB broke	Sep 12 01:54
schestowitz	It's now restored to normal	Sep 12 01:54
schestowitz	it was broken or broke some time between June 7th and one month ago	Sep 12 01:55
schestowitz	so between 1 to 3 months (at most)	Sep 12 01:55
schestowitz	which is still quite bad, I might need to set up an alert for that section	Sep 12 01:55
schestowitz	hm.. ran out of checks in montastic	Sep 12 01:59
schestowitz	unless I pay premium for an upgrade to more checked	Sep 12 02:00
schestowitz	checked sites	Sep 12 02:00
cubexyz	xchat is rather deficient in that if X gets reset then it stops working	Sep 12 02:05
cubexyz	a better system for logging irc would use pure text instead	Sep 12 02:06
cubexyz	but I've started checking to see that cubelog is running once a day	Sep 12 02:06
schestowitz	https://twitter.com/bob_moss/status/642489231781314560 https://twitter.com/bob_moss/status/642489430335430657	Sep 12 02:08
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@bob_moss: @schestowitz at which point they'll find a way dodge it :( Imho strong legislation & incentives to generate own clean energy could work		Sep 12 02:08
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@bob_moss: @schestowitz of course, with the current mob in charge in UK (on corp payroll & anti-renewable) chances of that happening is exactly nil.		Sep 12 02:08
cubexyz	of course if the ISP stops communicating with one's computer nothing will work	Sep 12 02:09
schestowitz	https://twitter.com/AJimenez1988/status/642501285317623808	Sep 12 02:09
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@AJimenez1988: @schestowitz Faith is no excuse for improper design and building procedures.		Sep 12 02:09
schestowitz	cubexyz: yes, well....	Sep 12 02:09
schestowitz	but here it's rare	Sep 12 02:09
schestowitz	that the ISP fails completely for a long time	Sep 12 02:09
cubexyz	it can happen, the router or modem could fail in some way	Sep 12 02:10
schestowitz	happens in less developed countries because the infrastructure has fewer points of connection and hence many points of total failure	Sep 12 02:10
cubexyz	many possibilities	Sep 12 02:10
schestowitz	not able to route around with more hops, just stone dead	Sep 12 02:10
schestowitz	I have spare routers just in case	Sep 12 02:10
schestowitz	4	Sep 12 02:10
cubexyz	probably the weak point is the wall warts	Sep 12 02:11
cubexyz	but I've seen cable modems fail partially	Sep 12 02:11
cubexyz	so they work, but at very slow speeds	Sep 12 02:12
cubexyz	I think xchat knows to switch servers if it drops a connection so at least it does that	Sep 12 02:13
cubexyz	I know my own CLLI and some of the techs names so I'm a bit more knowledgeable about the DSL setup now	Sep 12 02:14
schestowitz	http://galleryproject.org/	Sep 12 02:32
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-galleryproject.org \| Gallery \| Your photos on your website		Sep 12 02:32
schestowitz	"The Gallery team has decided to take a step back from actively maintaining this project. Truth be told, most of the core team got busy with their lives over the past few years and we haven't had the time to really actively maintain the project in a long time. The forums have continued to be lively and helpful and there is still plenty of good conversation there - but no new code has been written in the past 6 months and that's not likely to	Sep 12 02:32
schestowitz	change."	Sep 12 02:33
schestowitz	"So after over 14 years, 3 major revisions of the project, many tens of releases, hundreds of contributors, tens of thousands of lines of code, almost a hundred thousand forum topics and almost four hundred thousand comments, it's time for us to shutter up shop."	Sep 12 02:33
schestowitz	crap	Sep 12 02:33
schestowitz	https://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/gallery3/info	Sep 12 02:33
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schestowitz	and yahoo killed the slideshow	Sep 12 02:33
schestowitz	by buying cooliris	Sep 12 02:34
schestowitz	and removing all the code	Sep 12 02:34
cubexyz	never rely on other people's services	Sep 12 02:34
cubexyz	one of the reasons I use multiple operating systems	Sep 12 02:34
schestowitz	"Sorry for the delay, but I was hoping maybe we'd get some other comments. While this group is just getting started, I think the lack of response gives you part of your answer. While I started this group to try to give G3 new life, there's no guarantee how far it will go or how many people will really jump in and participate. MOST of the support on the original G3 site was provided by just a few people who were the principal developers	Sep 12 02:36
schestowitz	and they just finally got tired of it and had to move on. I'm not in the position to replace them, and certainly not alone!"	Sep 12 02:36
schestowitz	cubexyz: this is FOSS	Sep 12 02:36
schestowitz	but people later found out that at the core they linked to a service	Sep 12 02:36
schestowitz	I ranted about this over a month ago	Sep 12 02:36
schestowitz	and now that this service is pulled, following a buyout, even FOSS breaks	Sep 12 02:37
schestowitz	it was never supposed to rely on cooliris	Sep 12 02:37
schestowitz	proprietary	Sep 12 02:37
cubexyz	that's unfortunate but even so... my comment still stands	Sep 12 02:37
cubexyz	run your own picture gallery perhaps	Sep 12 02:38
schestowitz	https://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/gallery3/conversations/messages/78	Sep 12 02:38
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-groups.yahoo.com \| Yahoo! Groups [ http://ur1.ca/nrbtu ]		Sep 12 02:38
schestowitz	"I've done some work getting the cooliris flash slideshow operational again, but since standards are moving away from flash, who knows how long that will last. It certainly doesn't look like the website you're referencing, and I imagine there's a decent amount of work required to get to that effect. It certainly looks nice, but I suspect there was some expense there too."	Sep 12 02:38
schestowitz	cubexyz: that's what I do	Sep 12 02:38
schestowitz	it's hosted locally	Sep 12 02:38
schestowitz	but some code links to an external service	Sep 12 02:38
schestowitz	http://schestowitz.com/royrianne/gallery/index.php/Feeding-Time/20150614_212519-01	Sep 12 02:39
cubexyz	ok, time to consider coppermine then	Sep 12 02:39
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-schestowitz.com \| 20150614 212519 [ http://ur1.ca/nrbu2 ]		Sep 12 02:39
cubexyz	it has no such dependency	Sep 12 02:39
schestowitz	I could never find even a forum topic about a fix	Sep 12 02:39
schestowitz	or an alternative	Sep 12 02:39
schestowitz	sometimes to help navigate between photos more quickly	Sep 12 02:39
schestowitz	or to do slideshows	Sep 12 02:39
schestowitz	they always relied on external services, usually using mere addons, but not this time...	Sep 12 02:40
schestowitz	and people found this out only later	Sep 12 02:40
cubexyz	bad design	Sep 12 02:40
schestowitz	this is also privacy-infringing	Sep 12 02:40
schestowitz	yeah	Sep 12 02:40
schestowitz	that's like making FOSS with a search facility	Sep 12 02:40
schestowitz	which is powered by Google.com	Sep 12 02:40
schestowitz	and stops working altogether when Google... ahem... dies	Sep 12 02:40
schestowitz	"The developer of iGallery, a Gallery 2 client for iOS devices, has developed a new Gallery 3 client from scratch - iGallery 3. "	Sep 12 02:41
cubexyz	one should consider the possibility of gmail and youtube disappearing or morphing into something one doesn't like	Sep 12 02:41
schestowitz	http://galleryproject.org/node/110877	Sep 12 02:42
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-galleryproject.org \| Gallery needs Linux package maintainers \| Gallery		Sep 12 02:42
schestowitz	"All logos, trademarks and content in this site are property of their respective owners. Posts and comments are the property of their posters. All else is © Copyright 2000-2014	Sep 12 02:42
schestowitz	"	Sep 12 02:42
schestowitz	2014	Sep 12 02:42
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cubexyz	wego almost seems like a throwback to naplps style weather reporting	Sep 12 03:09
cubexyz	reading stallman's Q&A	Sep 12 03:27
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines today's leftovers http://t.co/UKeooqW8bl	Sep 12 03:53
TweetTuxMachines	(www.tuxmachines.org)	Sep 12 03:53
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/nrch2	Sep 12 03:53
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org \| today's leftovers \| Tux Machines		Sep 12 03:53
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Links 11/9/2015: Rackspace Liaising With	Sep 12 03:54
TweetTuxMachines	Canonical, Amarok 3.0 on the Way	Sep 12 03:54
TweetTuxMachines	http://t.co/xw9SfVIKgK (techrights.org)	Sep 12 03:54
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/nrch9	Sep 12 03:54
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msb__	cubexyz: What did you mean? "time to consider coppermine...it has no such dependency"	Sep 12 06:45
cubexyz	I mean use the coppermine photo gallery, which may or may not be a suitable replacement for what schestowitz was using	Sep 12 06:46
cubexyz	I use it on my server	Sep 12 06:46
cubexyz	it doesn't phone out for other services	Sep 12 06:46
msb__	I thought coppermine was the name of a cpu.	Sep 12 06:47
cubexyz	it is, it's also the name of photo gallery software	Sep 12 06:47
msb__	weird	Sep 12 06:48
msb__	thanks	Sep 12 06:48
cubexyz	sorry about the ambigiuity :)	Sep 12 06:48
cubexyz	perhaps not the best name for it	Sep 12 06:48
cubexyz	http://www.maxhost.org/coppermine/index.php	Sep 12 06:49
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.maxhost.org \| Coppermine Photo Gallery - Home [ http://ur1.ca/nrdvt ]		Sep 12 06:49
msb__	Brit Labor politician Jeremy Corbyn featured on RT. Is that "putler propaganda"?	Sep 12 07:11
msb__	Uh-oh. Now it's showing Bernie Sanders saying government should represent everyone, not the "top 1%". Thank you Putin!	Sep 12 07:12
msb__	"Siri, do you respect my privacy?" "I've never really thought about it."	Sep 12 07:16
msb__	China will do first head transplant in Dec. 2017.	Sep 12 07:26
msb__	Haj-Paj: crane falls on world's largest mosque, killing 107 pilgrims.	Sep 12 07:28
msb__	RT says Dick Cheney lied about Saddam having nukes, got us into Iraq war, killing 1,000,000. Russian propaganda!	Sep 12 07:39
cubexyz	wow, they have 2 TB SD cards now	Sep 12 08:23
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Google open-sources language-agnostic, scalable	Sep 12 08:28
TweetTuxMachines	software tool http://t.co/3kMicDeawp	Sep 12 08:28
TweetTuxMachines	(www.tuxmachines.org)	Sep 12 08:28
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org \| Google open-sources language-agnostic, scalable software tool \| Tux Machines		Sep 12 08:28
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/nrem9	Sep 12 08:28
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cubexyz	msb__, where will they get the heads from?	Sep 12 08:29
cubexyz	it's not like we have heads-in-jars technology	Sep 12 08:29
msb__	The person they're preserving is a paraplegic. The body will be someone brain-dead.	Sep 12 08:30
msb__	They will be severed at the same time. No jars. (No neck-juice.)	Sep 12 08:31
cubexyz	have they ever sucessfully done a head transplant on any animal?	Sep 12 08:31
msb__	Seems I recall one -- a temporary graft.	Sep 12 08:31
cubexyz	ok, dogs and rats	Sep 12 08:32
msb__	Yep	Sep 12 08:32
msb__	Doesn't seem like they'd be able to connect any of the nerves. But Superman lasted a while.	Sep 12 08:33
cubexyz	those early experiments croaked after a few days though	Sep 12 08:33
cubexyz	superman?	Sep 12 08:33
msb__	The actor who played him. Spinal cord severed in a horse accident.	Sep 12 08:34
cubexyz	oh Christopher Reeves I think	Sep 12 08:34
msb__	sounds right	Sep 12 08:34
msb__	I think they said the head guy is some computer pro.	Sep 12 08:35
cubexyz	with some of the rats they got 2 heads	Sep 12 08:35
cubexyz	like, their normal one plus one extra	Sep 12 08:35
msb__	Right	Sep 12 08:35
msb__	Should be possible to connect the esophagus, trachea, vagus nerve.	Sep 12 08:36
cubexyz	they also created headless mice by knocking out a gene	Sep 12 08:37
cubexyz	which die upon birth	Sep 12 08:37
msb__	ick	Sep 12 08:37
cubexyz	yeah, it's definitely mad scientist stuff	Sep 12 08:38
msb__	Did you see the movie redone by MST3K about the severed head of a woman in a tray of "neck juice" (as they called it).	Sep 12 08:39
msb__	I think she could talk, which was silly.	Sep 12 08:39
cubexyz	The Brain That Wouldn't Die I think	Sep 12 08:39
msb__	That's the one! Very good!	Sep 12 08:44
msb__	Donovan's Brain was nasty! The Brain From Planet Arous was good.	Sep 12 08:45
cubexyz	Reeves survived for 9 years after his accident	Sep 12 08:47
msb__	The operation should really be called a body transplant.	Sep 12 08:47
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msb__	_Deadly Friend_ with Kristy Swanson. Her drunk father kills her, and her boyfriend resurrects her by putting a computer chip in her brain. A 6502?	Sep 12 08:52
msb__	Wes Craven (RIP)	Sep 12 08:53
msb__	Or better, Rest In Fun.	Sep 12 08:55
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msb__	I just remembered. There was a fembot in Buffy.	Sep 12 08:57
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schestowitz	https://twitter.com/michael_at_work/status/642606024357081088 https://twitter.com/michael_at_work/status/642607033850564608	Sep 12 09:17
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@michael_at_work: @schestowitz People live on & for: air, water, food (from nature); would die without it. Corporations live (by definition) on money.		Sep 12 09:17
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@michael_at_work: @schestowitz An epistemological, but unfortunately not a legal, distinction.		Sep 12 09:17
schestowitz	https://twitter.com/FreiheitExpert/status/642619264814460928	Sep 12 09:46
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@FreiheitExpert: New torture details guys! https://t.co/X1wZhnlcoj		Sep 12 09:46
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz: US government blocks release of new #CIA #torture details http://t.co/tXLTooei4A http://t.co/sWnsnU7GBs http://t.co/wJeBLyduiW		Sep 12 09:46
*TweetTuxMachines @linuxaio favourited 'Linux AIO Now Offers ISO Images with the...'		Sep 12 09:55
schestowitz	https://twitter.com/retroDoomer/status/642623223985672192	Sep 12 11:04
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@retroDoomer: @schestowitz rest assured a heap of us are kicking up a stink about it. Including doing live readings in public		Sep 12 11:04
*TweetTuxMachines @linuxaio favourited 'Linux AIO Now Offers ISO Images with the...'		Sep 12 11:04
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Release of Bugzilla 5.0.1, 4.4.10, and 4.2.15	Sep 12 11:05
TweetTuxMachines	http://t.co/tq1mb4pH5e (error)	Sep 12 11:05
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/nrfqe	Sep 12 11:05
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org \| Release of Bugzilla 5.0.1, 4.4.10, and 4.2.15 \| Tux Machines		Sep 12 11:05
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Six things financial services technical leaders	Sep 12 11:51
TweetTuxMachines	need to consider around open source software	Sep 12 11:51
TweetTuxMachines	http://t.co/wDCEQUOCZv (www.tuxmachines.org)	Sep 12 11:51
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/nrg2m	Sep 12 11:51
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org \| Six things financial services technical leaders need to consider around open source software \| Tux Machines		Sep 12 11:51
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Links 11/9/2015: Rackspace Liaising With	Sep 12 11:51
TweetTuxMachines	retweeted by Canonical, Amarok 3.0 on the Way	Sep 12 11:51
TweetTuxMachines	@schestowitz http://t.co/xw9SfVIKgK (techrights.org)	Sep 12 11:51
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/nrg2n	Sep 12 11:51
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schestowitz	https://twitter.com/GBabeuf/status/642664963748659200	Sep 12 12:46
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@GBabeuf: Kathryn Bigelow: siren of the military-entertainment complex. https://t.co/nWb7L4D25s		Sep 12 12:46
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz: The director of the #CIA secretly helped produce Hollywood's pro #torture movie (using lies) http://t.co/5byAzUyKJI		Sep 12 12:46
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msb__	Osama bin Laden was reported to have died a natural death in 2001, in a story in Fox News. http://www.foxnews.com/story/2001/12/26/report-bin-laden-already-dead.html	Sep 12 13:17
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.foxnews.com \| Report: Bin Laden Already Dead \| Fox News [ http://ur1.ca/nrglv ]		Sep 12 13:17
msb__	This article by Paul Craig Roberts is totally skeptical about the Seal Team 6 story: http://www.globalresearch.ca/the-mysterious-death-of-osama-bin-laden-creating-evidence-where-there-is-none/25898	Sep 12 13:20
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.globalresearch.ca \| The Mysterious Death of Osama bin Laden: Creating Evidence Where There Is None \| Global Research - Centre for Research on Globalization [ http://ur1.ca/nrgmi ]		Sep 12 13:20
msb__	Roberts was former Assistant Secretary of the US Treasury and Associate Editor of the Wall Street Journal,	Sep 12 13:21
msb__	Looks like there was a neighbor who saw the Seal Team 6 event and tells an entirely different story.	Sep 12 13:24
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schestowitz	https://twitter.com/mellenoweth/status/642678757283745793	Sep 12 13:42
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@mellenoweth: "Political language... designed to make lies sound truthful & murder respectable..." http://t.co/js9bXTJUEg https://t.co/ObQ4LTGWBY		Sep 12 13:42
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz: #quantamagazine paints both #gchq and #nsa as defenders of #privacy https://t.co/TtVIDlLmIU how perverse a concept		Sep 12 13:42
schestowitz	there's also the Hersh story	Sep 12 13:43
schestowitz	the truth may be somewhere in between all these accounts	Sep 12 13:43
schestowitz	But it doesn't matter that much	Sep 12 13:43
schestowitz	just some glorified old man, who died at some stage	Sep 12 13:43
msb__	And a little-known fact is that his middle name was "Patsy".	Sep 12 13:48
msb__	At least, that's what the CIA called him.	Sep 12 13:51
MinceR	http://i.imgur.com/YZLxtNv.jpg	Sep 12 13:52
MinceR	https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MOS_Technology_CIA	Sep 12 13:52
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-en.wikipedia.org \| MOS Technology CIA - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia [ http://ur1.ca/nrgtp ]		Sep 12 13:52
MinceR	081258 < msb__> Uh-oh. Now it's showing Bernie Sanders saying government should represent everyone, not the "top 1%". Thank you Putin!	Sep 12 13:54
msb__	Agghh! and 8^)	Sep 12 13:54
MinceR	1% is still more than what the russian government represents	Sep 12 13:54
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schestowitz	https://twitter.com/deusexstigma/status/642682417359130624	Sep 12 13:57
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@deusexstigma: @schestowitz no different to bludy USA!!		Sep 12 13:57
msb__	MinceR: That statement is rather vague. And there seems to be some brown material clinging to it.	Sep 12 13:58
MinceR	http://www.economist.com/node/9682621	Sep 12 13:58
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.economist.com \| The making of a neo-KGB state \| The Economist		Sep 12 13:58
MinceR	russia is a mafia state, like hungary	Sep 12 13:59
MinceR	(though they did it first)	Sep 12 13:59
msb__	MinceR: While I'm sure The Economist would _never_ lie, I'm not going to register with them so they can spam me. I guess you're signed up with them as part of your job.	Sep 12 14:01
MinceR	i didn't need to	Sep 12 14:01
MinceR	i can read the article without registration	Sep 12 14:02
msb__	CIA proxy?	Sep 12 14:02
MinceR	maybe they don't want to sell their articles in hungary	Sep 12 14:03
MinceR	or the paywall is extremely badly implemented	Sep 12 14:03
MinceR	archive.is has a copy: https://archive.is/4N2my	Sep 12 14:04
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-archive.is \| The making of a neo-KGB state \| The Economist		Sep 12 14:04
MinceR	http://imgur.com/gallery/cAN2O2J	Sep 12 14:08
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-imgur.com \| ALERTS TO THREATS IN 2015 EUROPE From JOHN CLEESE - Imgur		Sep 12 14:08
MinceR	usian ("american") threat levels are in the comments	Sep 12 14:11
msb__	Eight years old and full of crap. It doesn't mention the most important event: Yeltsin, acting as an agent of the US, applied "disaster capitalism" techniques to the Russian economy, and sold off most of the state's assets at 10% of what they were worth to ultra-wealthy Americans, Israelis, etc.	Sep 12 14:11
MinceR	sounds like what everyone did in the eastern bloc	Sep 12 14:13
MinceR	and yet most of the eastern bloc did not sink back into dictatorship, somehow	Sep 12 14:13
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msb__	Yeltsin utterly destroyed the Russian economy. See Chapter 11 of The Shock Doctrine: The Rise of Disaster Capitalism by Naomi Klein.	Sep 12 14:25
msb__	The US also lives in a dictatorship of the ultra-wealthy. The question is, do the decisions that the oligarchy makes benefit only themselves or the rest of the citizens. Putin seems to have done a pretty good job of maintaining and growing the fraction of the Russian economy that was left after Yeltsin.	Sep 12 14:27
MinceR	yeltsin could hardly have destroyed an economy the communists have already destroyed	Sep 12 14:28
msb__	Have you read the Klein book?	Sep 12 14:28
MinceR	no	Sep 12 14:28
msb__	Then you don't know what you're talking about.	Sep 12 14:28
MinceR	right, because there's only one Holy Book the Truth can be obtained from	Sep 12 14:29
MinceR	why do you think the russians removed their military from most of the eastern bloc around 1989/90?	Sep 12 14:29
schestowitz	https://twitter.com/AJimenez1988/status/642698060833923072	Sep 12 14:57
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@AJimenez1988: @schestowitz And depends on the subject. Gender, race and religion are minefields.		Sep 12 14:57
schestowitz	http://www.catchnews.com/national-news/myanmar-indian-security-forces-strike-again-three-militants-killed-1441768873.html	Sep 12 15:01
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.catchnews.com \| Myanmar: Indian security forces strike again, three militants killed [ http://ur1.ca/nrhby ]		Sep 12 15:01
schestowitz	https://twitter.com/latomatemasquee/status/642698853364461568	Sep 12 15:03
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@latomatemasquee: #UE #USA #data https://t.co/HwmQnC6Tj3		Sep 12 15:03
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz: EU and US sign law enforcement data pact https://t.co/iZmquNmrQL "The Americans are refusing to budge"		Sep 12 15:03
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schestowitz	https://twitter.com/jurasick/status/642710102869442562	Sep 12 15:52
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@jurasick: @schestowitz there are lies, damn lies, statistics, & then American "independent" MSM. When one has the megaphone, anything can be truth.		Sep 12 15:52
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Mesa 11.0 Officially Released With OpenGL 4.1	Sep 12 19:05
TweetTuxMachines	For RadeonSI/Nouveau http://t.co/Gv081T0U3r	Sep 12 19:05
TweetTuxMachines	(www.phoronix.com)	Sep 12 19:05
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/nrj8q	Sep 12 19:05
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Compact fanless SBC runs Linux on Skylake,	Sep 12 19:05
TweetTuxMachines	features 4K video http://t.co/Q7WSumDZAL	Sep 12 19:05
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TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/nrj8r	Sep 12 19:05
msb__	Jeremy Corbyn wins leadership of Labour Party with 60% of the votes! If we could elect Bernie Sanders it would change the world!	Sep 12 19:06
MinceR	what's the relationship between Sanders and the Labour Party?	Sep 12 19:07
msb__	Both leftists.	Sep 12 19:07
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msb__	Progressive tax system, against air strikes in Syria, get rid of Trident missiles.	Sep 12 19:11
MinceR	...by firing them at someone? :>	Sep 12 19:11
msb__	Against austerity and disaster-capitalism. Read, read!	Sep 12 19:16
MinceR	i think nuclear disarmament is irresponsible until putin is dealt with and such threats can be prevented in the future	Sep 12 19:17
MinceR	and it may also well be futile due to the violation of the Budapest Memorandum	Sep 12 19:17
schestowitz	[13:58] [Notice] -TechrightsBot-tr to #techrights- www.economist.com \| The making of a neo-KGB state \| The Economist	Sep 12 19:19
schestowitz	KGB is just a bad label	Sep 12 19:19
schestowitz	they renamed to FSB in a way	Sep 12 19:19
MinceR	the point remains the same, though	Sep 12 19:19
MinceR	a small cadre of cronies from an organization that served the ussr owns russia now	Sep 12 19:20
msb__	Russia stated it was never under obligation to "force any part of Ukraine's civilian population to stay in Ukraine against its will." Russia suggested that the US was in violation of the Budapest Memorandum, describing the Euromaidan as a "US-instigated coup".	Sep 12 19:20
MinceR	that was not what they were obliged to do, indeed	Sep 12 19:21
MinceR	they were obliged to "Respect Ukrainian independence and sovereignty and the existing borders"	Sep 12 19:21
MinceR	and that is what they violated	Sep 12 19:21
MinceR	and yes, russia lying is not new at all	Sep 12 19:22
msb__	US was in violation of the Budapest Memorandum, describing the Euromaidan as a "US-instigated coup"	Sep 12 19:22
MinceR	point is, i don't see why any country would be willing to disarm itself after seeing that any guarantees they would get in exchange for it are worthless	Sep 12 19:23
msb__	Which it certainly was.	Sep 12 19:23
MinceR	the only thing the us and the uk could achieve by getting rid of the Trident missiles would be possibly becoming parts of the russian empire.	Sep 12 19:23
MinceR	but hey, self-destructive behavior is not alien to humans in any way	Sep 12 19:24
MinceR	if that's what they want, they should go ahead	Sep 12 19:24
msb__	Ukraine had an enormous stock of Russian ICBMs before the Budapest Memorandum. They were under Russian control, but imagine if the Ukrainians had them now after the US/Nazi coup! It's possible the computers could have been hacked.	Sep 12 19:29
MinceR	then russia would not have been so cavalier about attacking ukraine	Sep 12 19:31
MinceR	of course, that would have done little to protect estonia	Sep 12 19:31
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msb__	"russia...attacking ukraine" Clever of you to avoid mentioning 1. the US attack on Ukraine by Nazi proxies and 5 billion dollars and 2. The fervent requests and referendum of the people in Crimea. Making people forget who started a conflict and who responded is a classic propaganda technique.	Sep 12 19:35
MinceR	this is the sort of thing you called a personal attack earlier	Sep 12 19:37
MinceR	and yes it is, and you're using this technique all the time	Sep 12 19:37
msb__	As to Estonia, didn't one of your CIA-based articles say that the US had put major weapons in Estonia on the border with Russia?	Sep 12 19:38
MinceR	we'll see if you live to get what you're asking for -- getting killed by a russian nuke	Sep 12 19:38
msb__	But you _did_ use that lying propaganda technique.	Sep 12 19:38
MinceR	i've found a map of the CIA according to msb__ >> https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Russian_Federation_%28orthographic_projection%29.svg	Sep 12 19:39
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MinceR	the gray parts are the CIA	Sep 12 19:39
msb__	I gave precise details of it.	Sep 12 19:39
MinceR	and the white parts too	Sep 12 19:39
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Another set-top box running linux	Sep 12 19:41
TweetTuxMachines	http://t.co/c63cylN8Cn (www.prnewswire.com)	Sep 12 19:41
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Nokia Back to Linux http://t.co/s6Gy7kwzMu	Sep 12 19:41
TweetTuxMachines	(news.softpedia.com) http://t.co/VYIcmVGZmp	Sep 12 19:41
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Nokia Back to Linux http://t.co/n7rqPyyxNH	Sep 12 19:41
TweetTuxMachines	(www.tuxmachines.org)	Sep 12 19:41
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/nrjjx	Sep 12 19:41
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org \| Nokia Back to Linux \| Tux Machines		Sep 12 19:41
msb__	Movement in Britain to legalize marijuana!	Sep 12 19:43
MinceR	they shouldn't have voted for the tories, then	Sep 12 19:44
msb__	?	Sep 12 19:46
msb__	People testifying that cannabidiol cured their cancers!	Sep 12 19:48
schestowitz	https://joindiaspora.com/posts/6586015	Sep 12 19:48
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: Drawing with LibreOffice http://standardsandfreedom.net/index.php/2015/09/12/drawing-with-libreoffice/ #libreoffice #graphics		Sep 12 19:48
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights--> standardsandfreedom.net \| Drawing with LibreOffice \| Moved by Freedom – Powered by Standards [ http://ur1.ca/nrjmk ]		Sep 12 19:48
schestowitz	"as noticed in article, there are really good examples of magazine made with LO : https://pt-br.libreoffice.org/projetos/revista/"	Sep 12 19:48
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-pt-br.libreoffice.org \| Revista \| LibreOffice - A melhor suite office livre [ http://ur1.ca/nrjmp ]		Sep 12 19:49
msb__	Hope Putin doesn't ban RT for this program on cannabis like he banned wikipedia.	Sep 12 19:49
schestowitz	Drawing tools like these have much lower learning curve, too	Sep 12 19:49
schestowitz	msb__: he hardly banned it	Sep 12 19:49
schestowitz	maybe very briefly, but it was a threat	Sep 12 19:49
schestowitz	which was later revoked	Sep 12 19:49
msb__	He banned it and then cancelled the ban.	Sep 12 19:49
schestowitz	https://joindiaspora.com/posts/6585085	Sep 12 19:50
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: In Putin’s Russia, #Internet watches you http://arstechnica.co.uk/tech-policy/2015/09/the-red-web-in-putins-russia-internet-watches-you/ "Russian reporters show the Kremlin relies on "threat and intimidation.""		Sep 12 19:50
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights--> arstechnica.co.uk \| The Red Web: In Putin’s Russia, Internet watches you \| Ars Technica UK [ http://ur1.ca/nrjn2 ]		Sep 12 19:50
schestowitz	Muscle-flexing	Sep 12 19:50
MinceR	fascist posturing	Sep 12 19:51
MinceR	pathetic.	Sep 12 19:51
schestowitz	"	Sep 12 19:51
schestowitz	Inside the Kremlin Troll Army Machine: Templates, Guidelines, and Paid Posts	Sep 12 19:51
schestowitz	http://globalvoicesonline.org/2015/03/14/russia-kremlin-troll-army-examples/	Sep 12 19:51
schestowitz	"	Sep 12 19:51
MinceR	but not as pathetic as the people who fall for it	Sep 12 19:51
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-globalvoicesonline.org \| Inside the Kremlin Troll Army Machine: Templates, Guidelines, and Paid Posts · Global Voices [ http://ur1.ca/nrjn4 ]		Sep 12 19:51
schestowitz	"“Putin’s Russia” - oh please…"	Sep 12 19:51
MinceR	and worship putler	Sep 12 19:51
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schestowitz	"	Sep 12 19:51
schestowitz	Soldatov seems to imply that Snowden works for the Russians	Sep 12 19:51
schestowitz	http://www.agentura.ru/english/press/noplacetohidereview/	Sep 12 19:51
schestowitz	Obama is proud of you.	Sep 12 19:51
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.agentura.ru \| Agentura.ru - No Place to Hide by Glenn Greenwald: review [ http://ur1.ca/nrjnc ]		Sep 12 19:51
schestowitz	"	Sep 12 19:51
msb__	US has a troll army. Even Microsoft does.	Sep 12 19:51
msb__	Israel too.	Sep 12 19:54
schestowitz	https://joindiaspora.com/posts/6584660	Sep 12 19:54
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: #india calls "Ministry of Information" what George Orwell (Blair) sarcastically called "Ministry of Truth" http://thewire.in/2015/09/08/the-humpty-dumpty-censorship-of-television-in-india-10224/		Sep 12 19:54
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights--> thewire.in \| The Humpty Dumpty Censorship of Television in India \| The Wire [ http://ur1.ca/nrjo9 ]		Sep 12 19:54
schestowitz	"	Sep 12 19:54
schestowitz	The use of the word “paranoia” is, at best, lazy. Would be good to see intelligent analysis of censorship - what is being censored and why (requires understanding).	Sep 12 19:54
schestowitz	This gives us an insight into matters which might not be well know.	Sep 12 19:54
schestowitz	Threats to state/government might be internal/external. The west does not talk much about internal and external problems of India.	Sep 12 19:54
schestowitz	So is this control-freakery (Blair), religous pressures - are there political threats etc. ?	Sep 12 19:54
schestowitz	India has Maoist insurgency problems, its media is prudish, but not Victorian (no christian hangups), the government is Hinduistic, but India has a huge moslem population - do they ignore the dangers of ISIS/USA/Pakistan utilising this?	Sep 12 19:54
schestowitz	Accusations of censorship are mundane since it happens everywhere - govt does it openly - otherwise it’s done covertly by media proprietors. Interesting is an analysis of why it is happening - esp. if it is open censorship (laws).	Sep 12 19:54
schestowitz	NB - nominally govt. censorship is open and democratic - proprietary censorship is conspiratory and not accountable.	Sep 12 19:54
schestowitz	"	Sep 12 19:54
schestowitz	"	Sep 12 19:54
schestowitz	Anyway - reading that article it seems that India is dealing with it (takes time) - they are discussing censorship! :)	Sep 12 19:54
schestowitz	Does that happen in Singaporean or Chinese media? (I don’t know - don’t read Chinese and wouldn’t trust western reports)	Sep 12 19:54
schestowitz	"	Sep 12 19:54
schestowitz	msb__: US also	Sep 12 19:54
schestowitz	US	Sep 12 19:54
schestowitz	77th Brigade	Sep 12 19:54
schestowitz	US	Sep 12 19:55
schestowitz	UK	Sep 12 19:55
schestowitz	Damn it, can't type it right	Sep 12 19:55
schestowitz	Freudian slip	Sep 12 19:55
schestowitz	http://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2015/jan/31/british-army-facebook-warriors-77th-brigade	Sep 12 19:55
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.theguardian.com \| British army creates team of Facebook warriors \| UK news \| The Guardian [ http://ur1.ca/jlmbp ]		Sep 12 19:55
schestowitz	https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/77th_Brigade_%28United_Kingdom%29	Sep 12 19:55
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-en.wikipedia.org \| 77th Brigade (United Kingdom) - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia [ http://ur1.ca/nrjot ]		Sep 12 19:55
msb__	"<msb__> US has a troll army. Even Microsoft does."	Sep 12 19:55
schestowitz	"	Sep 12 19:56
schestowitz	The 77th Brigade is a British Army formation, created in January 2015 under the Army 2020 concept.[3] It is the renaming of the Security Assistance Group which was created under the Army 2020 concept.[4][5] It is based at Denison Barracks in Hermitage, Berkshire and will be fully operational by April 2015.[6][7]	Sep 12 19:56
schestowitz	The brigade was named the 77th in tribute to the 77th Indian Infantry Brigade, which was part of the Chindits, an Indian Army guerilla warfare force led by Orde Wingate who used unorthodox tactics against the Japanese in Burma in World War II. The arm badges of the revived 77th will show a mythical Burmese creature in reference to the Chindits.	Sep 12 19:56
schestowitz	"	Sep 12 19:56
schestowitz	https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/77th_Indian_Infantry_Brigade	Sep 12 19:56
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-en.wikipedia.org \| 77th Indian Infantry Brigade - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia [ http://ur1.ca/nrjp1 ]		Sep 12 19:56
MinceR	205153 < msb__> US has a troll army. Even Microsoft does.	Sep 12 19:56
MinceR	so does russia	Sep 12 19:56
MinceR	and so does crApple and redcrap	Sep 12 19:56
schestowitz	red hat has opensource,cin	Sep 12 19:57
schestowitz	with its cult that's build around the book	Sep 12 19:57
schestowitz	Open Org	Sep 12 19:57
schestowitz	and now thety build an astroturf community around it	Sep 12 19:57
schestowitz	fake grassroots	Sep 12 19:57
schestowitz	on Red Hat payroll	Sep 12 19:57
schestowitz	selling the CEO's book	Sep 12 19:57
schestowitz	https://joindiaspora.com/posts/6577799	Sep 12 20:01
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: #Microsoft is downloading #vista10 to your machine 'just in case' http://www.theinquirer.net/inquirer/news/2425381/microsoft-is-downloading-windows-10-to-your-machine-just-in-case wow, botnet with spyware. Legal?		Sep 12 20:01
schestowitz	"	Sep 12 20:01
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights--> www.theinquirer.net \| Microsoft is downloading Windows 10 to your machine 'just in case'- The Inquirer [ http://ur1.ca/nr1oc ]		Sep 12 20:01
schestowitz	I was also thinking, this “preparation” might be part of the reported P2P-based “distribution” of Windows and Windows Updates. Doesn’t make it less a crime of stealing bandwidth and storage.	Sep 12 20:01
schestowitz	Seems I need to figure out which IP-range/domain names they’re using and lock them down for all “unregistered” systems in my network.	Sep 12 20:01
schestowitz	I wonder when my relatives will start calling me on this issue.	Sep 12 20:01
schestowitz	"	Sep 12 20:01
schestowitz	best to work on moving away from Windows altogether, it'll only get worse over time based on what contacts in Microsoft told me	Sep 12 20:01
msb__	I have friends with "super easy to use" Macs who sometimes can't figure out how to use them, and ask me. Fortunately another friend is a Mac expert.	Sep 12 20:04
MinceR	lol	Sep 12 20:04
msb__	I keep telling them to get stock PCs at half the price and put Linux on them, but oh no, they love Macs.	Sep 12 20:07
MinceR	then they should figure out how to use them	Sep 12 20:11
schestowitz	https://joindiaspora.com/posts/6583764	Sep 12 20:16
schestowitz	"Look up the Latin words from which “Corporation” is derived. The dead have no morals or conscience."	Sep 12 20:16
schestowitz	"My grandmother is dead. Don’t say that about her."	Sep 12 20:16
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: You can get a lot of PEOPLE to VOLUNTARILY recycle their ☠ (no personal gain), but cannot get CORPORATIONS to respect this w/o carbon TAX		Sep 12 20:16
schestowitz	"She’s not a corporation."	Sep 12 20:16
MinceR	lol	Sep 12 20:17
MinceR	"Corporations are people, my friend!"	Sep 12 20:17
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MinceR	it has nothing to do with dead people or dead bodies, though	Sep 12 20:20
MinceR	https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/corporation	Sep 12 20:20
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-en.wiktionary.org \| corporation - Wiktionary [ http://ur1.ca/nrjww ]		Sep 12 20:20
MinceR	From Late Latin corporatio ‎(“assumption of a body”), from Latin corporare, past participle corporatus ‎(“to form into a body”)	Sep 12 20:20
schestowitz	https://twitter.com/BlenderNation/status/642782215030591488	Sep 12 20:32
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@BlenderNation: Anyone interested in ffmpeg and the vp9 format? https://t.co/YDdzJelP27		Sep 12 20:32
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz: Video: Blender's new short film and ffmpeg vp9 test http://t.co/70WwckdYOg #blender3d #freesw		Sep 12 20:32
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schestowitz	https://twitter.com/toxicleaders/status/642784554584002561	Sep 12 20:41
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@toxicleaders: @schestowitz Thanks for supporting my petition. STOP! THE DEPARTMENT OF THE ARMY TOXIC LEADERS.https://t.co/K7nvn7GZdk		Sep 12 20:41
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights--> www.change.org \| Petition · STOP! THE DEPARTMENT OF THE ARMY TOXIC LEADERS. · Change.org		Sep 12 20:41
schestowitz	https://joindiaspora.com/posts/6583760	Sep 12 20:42
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: I've been recycling all my trash as soon as recycling facilities were made available to us. It takes extra effort, collectively beneficial.		Sep 12 20:42
schestowitz	"A lot of extra effort. I end up storing recyclables in my garage all month long waiting for pickup. It cut our landfill-destined trash in half though."	Sep 12 20:42
schestowitz	The future of one's place will be better, healthier too (underground water for instance)	Sep 12 20:42
schestowitz	https://joindiaspora.com/posts/d71646403578013338da52540061b601	Sep 12 20:43
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-joindiaspora.com \| Reshare by harry haller (nerdpol.ch) [ http://ur1.ca/nrk4m ]		Sep 12 20:43
schestowitz	https://joindiaspora.com/posts/6522341	Sep 12 20:43
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: Here’s What Actually Gets Terrorists To Tell The Truth — And It’s Not Torture http://www.buzzfeed.com/peteraldhous/torture-doesnt-work #torture h/t @glynco		Sep 12 20:43
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights--> www.buzzfeed.com \| Here’s What Actually Gets Terrorists To Tell The Truth — And It’s Not Torture - BuzzFeed News [ http://ur1.ca/nrk4o ]		Sep 12 20:43
schestowitz	"Good article, but it breezed over a major point - many of these US interrogators are well aware that torture is only useful for extracting false confessions, and so they used it to do exactly that. But what did the USA use those false confessions for?"	Sep 12 20:43
schestowitz	Like a lot of so-called intel' (re Iraq to name a recent example) whose sole purpose is to sell a policy and action plan for other reason (oil, domination, puppet regime)	Sep 12 20:44
schestowitz	https://joindiaspora.com/posts/6584827	Sep 12 20:45
schestowitz	"I’m worried about US terrorism, is that OK?"	Sep 12 20:45
schestowitz	They won't invade Mexico in the coming decade, they already have NAFTA	Sep 12 20:45
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: Mike "we kill based on metadata" #hayden wants us to worry more about #blowback than the cause of blowback http://www.washingtonexaminer.com/hayden-worry-more-about-terrorism-less-about-govt/article/2571607		Sep 12 20:45
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights--> www.washingtonexaminer.com \| Hayden: Worry more about terrorism, less about government \| Washington Examiner [ http://ur1.ca/nrk54 ]		Sep 12 20:45
schestowitz	https://joindiaspora.com/posts/6584697	Sep 12 20:45
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: Media likes to speak about #china suppression of #vpn although Five Eyes increasingly do it http://techcrunch.com/2015/09/07/china-continues-its-crackdown-on-vpn-services/ http://www.scmp.com/tech/china-tech/article/1855964/vpn-services-blocked-china-astrill-warns-increased-censorship		Sep 12 20:45
schestowitz	"Russia, China et al defence of own borders is aggression, but western attacks on foreign continents are defence. Vomit.'	Sep 12 20:45
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights--> techcrunch.com \| China Continues Its Crackdown On VPN Services \| TechCrunch [ http://ur1.ca/nrk5l ]		Sep 12 20:45
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights--> www.scmp.com \| VPN services blocked in China as Astrill warns of 'increased censorship' following WW2 parade \| South China Morning Post [ http://ur1.ca/nrk5m ]		Sep 12 20:45
schestowitz	Defence from aggression... or perceived aggression... or pre-mediated action... because there MIGHT be aggression from another nation in the future.	Sep 12 20:46
MinceR	http://thenextweb.com/insider/2015/09/12/refugee-mario-is-turning-europes-migrant-crisis-into-a-video-game/	Sep 12 21:14
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-thenextweb.com \| Refugee Mario is turning Europe's migrant crisis into a video game [ http://ur1.ca/nrkdm ]		Sep 12 21:14
schestowitz	> "President Xi is set to also have a private dinner with Microsoft	Sep 12 21:25
schestowitz	> co-founder Bill Gates before leaving Seattle for Washington."	Sep 12 21:25
schestowitz	>	Sep 12 21:25
schestowitz	> http://theweatherspace.com/2015/09/12/134318-china-flexes-tech-muscle-with-seattle-forum/	Sep 12 21:25
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-theweatherspace.com \| China flexes tech muscle with Seattle forum [ http://ur1.ca/nrkgz ]		Sep 12 21:25
schestowitz	>	Sep 12 21:25
schestowitz	> before DC. That makes Xi look very weak and at the beck and call of	Sep 12 21:25
schestowitz	> Gates.	Sep 12 21:25
schestowitz	Yes, I saw this earlier today. It's not the first time this happens, see "treachery of treacheries" by Ken Starks. Same story a decade ago...	Sep 12 21:26
MinceR	maybe he is	Sep 12 21:31
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TweetTuxMachines	@LaPlataformanet LaPlataformanet is out! http://t.co/qy1RjP0YIE	Sep 12 22:55
TweetTuxMachines	(paper.li) Stories via @tuxmachines	Sep 12 22:55
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-paper.li \| LaPlataformanet		Sep 12 22:55
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/nrlck	Sep 12 22:55
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Pinguy OS 14.04.3 Gets EFI and TRIM Support,	Sep 12 22:55
TweetTuxMachines	Based on Ubuntu 14.04.3 LTS	Sep 12 22:55
TweetTuxMachines	http://t.co/pgHQkMMFWI (www.tuxmachines.org)	Sep 12 22:55
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/nrlcl	Sep 12 22:55
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org \| Pinguy OS 14.04.3 Gets EFI and TRIM Support, Based on Ubuntu 14.04.3 LTS \| Tux Machines		Sep 12 22:55
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Docker 1.8.2 Linux Container Engine Fixes	Sep 12 22:56
TweetTuxMachines	Multiple Bash Completion Issues, More	Sep 12 22:56
TweetTuxMachines	http://t.co/luJkXM4J8T (www.tuxmachines.org)	Sep 12 22:56
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/nrlcq	Sep 12 22:56
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org \| Docker 1.8.2 Linux Container Engine Fixes Multiple Bash Completion Issues, More \| Tux Machines		Sep 12 22:56
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Manjaro XFCE 15.12 Alpha1 online	Sep 12 22:56
TweetTuxMachines	http://t.co/sKU04blCoB (www.tuxmachines.org)	Sep 12 22:56
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/nrlcr	Sep 12 22:56
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org \| Manjaro XFCE 15.12 Alpha1 online \| Tux Machines		Sep 12 22:56
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Enlightenment 0.19.10 Open-Source Desktop	Sep 12 22:56
TweetTuxMachines	Environment Out Now with 10 Bugfixes	Sep 12 22:56
TweetTuxMachines	http://t.co/i75pchlDHd (www.tuxmachines.org)	Sep 12 22:56
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/nrlcs	Sep 12 22:56
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org \| Enlightenment 0.19.10 Open-Source Desktop Environment Out Now with 10 Bugfixes \| Tux Machines		Sep 12 22:56
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Building My Own Ubuntu http://t.co/vMdFVCtPdH	Sep 06 00:05
TweetTuxMachines	(freedompenguin.com)	Sep 06 00:05
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-freedompenguin.com \| Building My Own Ubuntu \| Freedom Penguin		Sep 06 00:05
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/nooup	Sep 06 00:05
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Links 5/9/2015: Elive 2.6.10 Beta, Mozilla’s	Sep 06 00:05
TweetTuxMachines	Bugzilla Issue http://t.co/0AESHewqbL	Sep 06 00:05
TweetTuxMachines	(techrights.org)	Sep 06 00:05
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/noouq	Sep 06 00:05
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org \| Links 5/9/2015: Elive 2.6.10 Beta, Mozilla’s Bugzilla Issue \| Techrights		Sep 06 00:05
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Android Leftovers http://t.co/fw7HNL8Zdo	Sep 06 00:05
TweetTuxMachines	(www.tuxmachines.org)	Sep 06 00:05
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/noour	Sep 06 00:05
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org \| Android Leftovers \| Tux Machines		Sep 06 00:05
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Leftovers: Gaming http://t.co/D1c4iqroFW	Sep 06 00:05
TweetTuxMachines	(www.tuxmachines.org)	Sep 06 00:05
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/noouu	Sep 06 00:05
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org \| Leftovers: Gaming \| Tux Machines		Sep 06 00:05
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines today's howtos http://t.co/zicDrYhYZO	Sep 06 00:05
TweetTuxMachines	(www.tuxmachines.org)	Sep 06 00:05
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/noouv	Sep 06 00:05
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org \| today's howtos \| Tux Machines		Sep 06 00:05
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Leftovers: Software http://t.co/0W4TOWB6zh	Sep 06 00:06
TweetTuxMachines	(www.tuxmachines.org)	Sep 06 00:06
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/nooux	Sep 06 00:06
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org \| Leftovers: Software \| Tux Machines		Sep 06 00:06
MinceR	http://pbfcomics.com/41	Sep 06 00:30
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-pbfcomics.com \| The Perry Bible Fellowship		Sep 06 00:30
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines today's leftovers http://t.co/SmZFKM5Pa6	Sep 06 00:50
TweetTuxMachines	(www.tuxmachines.org)	Sep 06 00:50
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org \| today's leftovers \| Tux Machines		Sep 06 00:50
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/nop8y	Sep 06 00:50
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines The best Linux distro for schools?	Sep 06 00:50
TweetTuxMachines	http://t.co/ComNJ0Hijj (www.itworld.com)	Sep 06 00:50
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/nop90	Sep 06 00:50
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.itworld.com \| The best Linux distro for schools? \| ITworld		Sep 06 00:50
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines "Last month, the tech giant released a new line	Sep 06 00:50
TweetTuxMachines	of Linux mainframes dubbed the LinuxONE"	Sep 06 00:50
TweetTuxMachines	http://t.co/cv7vIIx9gA	Sep 06 00:50
TweetTuxMachines	(www.franchiseherald.com)	Sep 06 00:50
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.franchiseherald.com \| IBM Joins Open Mainframe Project For Wider Linux Adoption; New LinuxONE Mainframes Launched : Trending News : Franchise Herald		Sep 06 00:50
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/nop91	Sep 06 00:50
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*Now talking on #techrights		Sep 06 08:47
*Topic for #techrights is: TechRights.org \| Channel #techrights for http://TechRights.org :: please also join channels #boycottnovell-social #techbytes and #boycottnovell		Sep 06 08:47
*Topic for #techrights set by schestowitz!~schestowi@unaffiliated/schestowitz at Sat Jun 9 18:16:19 2012		Sep 06 08:47
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines The gcc-5 transition is coming to testing	Sep 06 09:22
TweetTuxMachines	tonight https://t.co/Z6XnpWf6R8	Sep 06 09:22
TweetTuxMachines	(nthykier.wordpress.com)	Sep 06 09:22
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-nthykier.wordpress.com \| The gcc-5 transition is coming to testing tonight \| nthykier		Sep 06 09:22
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/noto3	Sep 06 09:22
*TweetTuxMachines @AppWonderwall favourited 'Fedora 23 Will Have Beautiful Supplemental Wallpaper http://t.co/6F8HatJEiL...'		Sep 06 09:22
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Next MATE Desktop Release to Add Display	Sep 06 10:21
TweetTuxMachines	Settings and Power Management Improvements	Sep 06 10:21
TweetTuxMachines	http://t.co/dD3pgovPVf (www.tuxmachines.org)	Sep 06 10:21
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/nou6v	Sep 06 10:21
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org \| Next MATE Desktop Release to Add Display Settings and Power Management Improvements \| Tux Machines		Sep 06 10:21
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines A Long Term Review of Android Devices	Sep 06 10:21
TweetTuxMachines	http://t.co/JrpLTVpqZz (www.tuxmachines.org)	Sep 06 10:21
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/nou6w	Sep 06 10:21
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org \| A Long Term Review of Android Devices \| Tux Machines		Sep 06 10:21
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines KDE Plasma 5.4 Lands in Kubuntu 15.10 (Wily	Sep 06 10:21
TweetTuxMachines	Werewolf) http://t.co/1HfJLQxnv7	Sep 06 10:21
TweetTuxMachines	(www.tuxmachines.org)	Sep 06 10:21
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org \| KDE Plasma 5.4 Lands in Kubuntu 15.10 (Wily Werewolf) \| Tux Machines		Sep 06 10:21
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Wine Announcement http://t.co/WqeAcy1DQ9	Sep 06 16:02
TweetTuxMachines	(www.tuxmachines.org)	Sep 06 16:02
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org \| Wine Announcement \| Tux Machines		Sep 06 16:02
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines First Tizen OS-Based Samsung Gear S2 Smartwatch	Sep 06 16:11
TweetTuxMachines	To Support Both Android and iOS Platforms	Sep 06 16:11
TweetTuxMachines	http://t.co/CrM7l15iip (www.tuxmachines.org)	Sep 06 16:11
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org \| First Tizen OS-Based Samsung Gear S2 Smartwatch To Support Both Android and iOS Platforms \| Tux Machines		Sep 06 16:11
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Ubuntu Will Not Abandon DEB Packaging in Favor	Sep 06 16:11
TweetTuxMachines	of Snappy, Says Mark Shuttleworth	Sep 06 16:11
TweetTuxMachines	http://t.co/DJCWsoLprH (www.tuxmachines.org)	Sep 06 16:11
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org \| Ubuntu Will Not Abandon DEB Packaging in Favor of Snappy, Says Mark Shuttleworth \| Tux Machines		Sep 06 16:11
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Introducing Apricity OS, an Arch Linux	Sep 06 16:11
TweetTuxMachines	Derivative for the Modern Linux User - Video	Sep 06 16:11
TweetTuxMachines	http://t.co/Zjk0qnkZrl (www.tuxmachines.org)	Sep 06 16:11
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines [How To] Access Linux Files In Windows When	Sep 06 19:45
TweetTuxMachines	Dual Booting Linux, Ubuntu, Linux Mint And	Sep 06 19:45
TweetTuxMachines	Windows 10 / 8.1 http://t.co/5halL1EWs2	Sep 06 19:45
TweetTuxMachines	(www.tuxmachines.org)	Sep 06 19:45
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org \| [How To] Access Linux Files In Windows When Dual Booting Linux, Ubuntu, Linux Mint And Windows 10 / 8.1 \| Tux Machines		Sep 06 19:45
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Nokia (NOK) Working On Android-Based Smartphone	Sep 06 19:45
TweetTuxMachines	http://t.co/asC530ANkT (www.tuxmachines.org)	Sep 06 19:45
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org \| Nokia (NOK) Working On Android-Based Smartphone \| Tux Machines		Sep 06 19:45
schestowitz	https://twitter.com/haniefhaider/status/640596251965288449	Sep 06 19:47
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@haniefhaider: @schestowitz Better to kill him as a criminal than spare him 4 what he really is..a white terrorist & damage the agitprop for endless wars?		Sep 06 19:47
schestowitz	death penalty helps show us as no more merciful or humane than, say, Saudi Arabia or Singapore (horrible regimes)...	Sep 06 19:48
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schestowitz	https://joindiaspora.com/posts/6562176	Sep 06 20:00
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: #apple "OK" with apps where animals and humans killed, but not "hunters" http://www.cnet.com/uk/news/apple-bans-app-that-lets-you-shoot-at-hunters/ http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/news/cecil-lion-game-revenge-hunters-820043		Sep 06 20:00
schestowitz	"Think of the poachers."	Sep 06 20:00
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights--> www.cnet.com \| Apple bans app that lets you shoot at hunters - CNET [ http://ur1.ca/nozgt ]		Sep 06 20:00
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights--> www.hollywoodreporter.com \| Cecil the Lion Game That Guns Down Hunters Turned Down by Apple, Approved by Google - Hollywood Reporter [ http://ur1.ca/nozgu ]		Sep 06 20:00
schestowitz	This game might incite animals against them :-)	Sep 06 20:00
schestowitz	https://joindiaspora.com/posts/6561476	Sep 06 20:01
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: Can we trust Iran? Can they trust us? http://www.citizen-times.com/story/opinion/contributors/2015/09/04/can-trust-iran-can-trust-us/71705362/ "Do you find my question insulting?"		Sep 06 20:01
schestowitz	"Well, Persians invented chess? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chess . Hope the author is more informed"	Sep 06 20:01
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights--> www.citizen-times.com \| Can we trust Iran? Can they trust us? [ http://ur1.ca/nozh1 ]		Sep 06 20:01
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-en.wikipedia.org \| Chess - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia		Sep 06 20:01
schestowitz	"I see no reason to distrust Iran. Heck, I see no reason to believe that they were planning to build a nuclear bomb. Whether they can trust us, that’s a different story."	Sep 06 20:01
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msb__	Israel has 400 nuclear bombs and they are slowly exterminating the Palestinians. Israel bombed the water pipes in Gaza so the Palestinians are drinking sewage.	Sep 06 20:24
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schestowitz	http://www.albawaba.com/business/pr/red-hat-announces-participation-idc-cio-summit-2015-riyadh-739756	Sep 06 20:35
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.albawaba.com \| Red Hat announces participation at IDC CIO Summit 2015 in Riyadh \| Al Bawaba [ http://ur1.ca/nozu0 ]		Sep 06 20:35
schestowitz	LOL	Sep 06 20:35
schestowitz	Riyadh	Sep 06 20:35
schestowitz	watch out	Sep 06 20:35
schestowitz	or lose your head...	Sep 06 20:35
schestowitz	!google Riyadh beheadings 205	Sep 06 20:35
TechrightsBot-tr	[1] - When It Comes to Beheadings, ISIS Has Nothing Over Saudi Arabia \| http://www.newsweek.com/2014/10/24/when-it-comes-beheadings-isis-has-nothing-over-saudi-arabia-277385.html	Sep 06 20:35
TechrightsBot-tr	[2] - ISIS Beheadings and Saudi Punishments: 'Difference Is Clear' - NBC ... \| http://www.nbcnews.com/news/world/isis-beheadings-saudi-punishments-difference-clear-n296876	Sep 06 20:35
TechrightsBot-tr	[3] - Saudi Arabia Has Record Year — For Beheadings — War Is Boring ... \| https://medium.com/war-is-boring/saudi-arabia-has-record-year-for-beheadings-a538d0362e06	Sep 06 20:35
TechrightsBot-tr	[4] - WARNING: Extremely Graphic Beheading Video in Saudi Arabia ... \| http://www.youtube.com/watch%3Fv%3DV9DjzvyL0RQ	Sep 06 20:35
schestowitz	I don't even want to click [4]	Sep 06 20:35
schestowitz	if Google at all allows it to remain online	Sep 06 20:36
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Themes Of The Day \| http://t.co/ZQvoukf5df	Sep 06 20:54
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.LinuxAndUbuntu.com \| LinuxAndUbuntu - LinuxUbuntu Apps Reviews \| Tutorials \| HowTos \| News		Sep 06 20:54
TweetTuxMachines	(www.linuxandubuntu.com) http://t.co/86r0kxQ1u3	Sep 06 20:54
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TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/np037	Sep 06 20:54
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines TechBytes Episode 89: Back Into Season 5	Sep 06 20:54
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TweetTuxMachines	@schestowitz	Sep 06 20:54
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/np03a	Sep 06 20:54
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schestowitz	https://twitter.com/retroDoomer/status/640614766281515008	Sep 06 21:23
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@retroDoomer: @schestowitz hahaha! We're taking over, new school versus grey beards.		Sep 06 21:23
cubexyz	don't knock the grey beards	Sep 06 21:24
cubexyz	the grey beards invented Unix	Sep 06 21:24
cubexyz	did you find a keyboard you like msb__ ?	Sep 06 21:26
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines TechBytes Episode 89: Back Into Season 5	Sep 06 21:40
TweetTuxMachines	retweeted by http://t.co/pYO7xfCeBg (bytesmedia.co.uk)	Sep 06 21:40
TweetTuxMachines	@The_Code_Shirts	Sep 06 21:40
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/np0o6	Sep 06 21:40
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Nokia (NOK) Working On Android-Based Smartphone	Sep 06 21:41
TweetTuxMachines	http://t.co/cyBIJU7MMO (www.bidnessetc.com)	Sep 06 21:41
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schestowitz	https://twitter.com/bigonbe/status/640625017177436160	Sep 06 21:43
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@bigonbe: @schestowitz The bsdutils package is built from util-linux source package		Sep 06 21:43
schestowitz	and that one depends on systemd?	Sep 06 21:43
cubexyz	why not just run openbsd instead?	Sep 06 21:45
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cubexyz	at least have one machine that's really unix	Sep 06 21:48
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Wine Announcement https://t.co/D0gm7Lk8P5	Sep 06 21:49
TweetTuxMachines	(www.winehq.org)	Sep 06 21:49
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.winehq.org \| WineHQ - Wine Announcement - The Wine development release 1.7.51 is now available.		Sep 06 21:49
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/np0rc	Sep 06 21:49
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines KDE Plasma 5.4 Lands in Kubuntu 15.10 (Wily	Sep 06 21:49
TweetTuxMachines	Werewolf) http://t.co/rlNrL7UKwL	Sep 06 21:49
TweetTuxMachines	(news.softpedia.com)	Sep 06 21:49
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TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/np0rd	Sep 06 21:49
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines A Long Term Review of Android Devices	Sep 06 21:49
TweetTuxMachines	http://t.co/FKP6G61Y0F (etbe.coker.com.au)	Sep 06 21:49
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/np0rf	Sep 06 21:49
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-etbe.coker.com.au \| A Long Term Review of Android Devices « etbe - Russell Coker		Sep 06 21:49
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Next MATE Desktop Release to Add Display	Sep 06 21:59
TweetTuxMachines	Settings and Power Management Improvements	Sep 06 21:59
TweetTuxMachines	http://t.co/0YpdKVoHyx (linux.softpedia.com)	Sep 06 21:59
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/np0v7	Sep 06 21:59
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-linux.softpedia.com \| Next MATE Desktop Release to Add Display Settings and Power Management Improvements - Softpedia		Sep 06 21:59
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Ubuntu Will Not Abandon DEB Packaging in Favor	Sep 06 21:59
TweetTuxMachines	of Snappy, Says Mark Shuttleworth	Sep 06 21:59
TweetTuxMachines	http://t.co/KiNwmj1EmR (news.softpedia.com)	Sep 06 21:59
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/np0v8	Sep 06 21:59
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-news.softpedia.com \| Ubuntu Will Not Abandon DEB Packaging in Favor of Snappy, Says Mark Shuttleworth - Softpedia		Sep 06 21:59
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Introducing Apricity OS, an Arch Linux	Sep 06 21:59
TweetTuxMachines	Derivative for the Modern Linux User - Video	Sep 06 21:59
TweetTuxMachines	http://t.co/xyBF4E6GSG (news.softpedia.com)	Sep 06 21:59
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/np0v9	Sep 06 21:59
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-news.softpedia.com \| Introducing Apricity OS, an Arch Linux Derivative for the Modern Linux User - Video - Softpedia		Sep 06 21:59
schestowitz	https://twitter.com/bigonbe/status/640627533109702656 https://twitter.com/bigonbe/status/640628006474620928	Sep 06 22:02
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@bigonbe: @schestowitz Yes, it's that one depending on libsystemd (and not bsdmainutils) because logger write to the journal in addition to syslog		Sep 06 22:02
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@bigonbe: @schestowitz bsdmainutils is a collection of tools straight from *BSD, bsdutils is a GNU reimplementation of BSD tools AFAIK		Sep 06 22:02
schestowitz	So this kludge now makes it virtually impossible to uninstall #systemd unless you hose pretty much everything	Sep 06 22:03
schestowitz	https://twitter.com/bigonbe/status/640625017177436160	Sep 06 22:04
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@bigonbe: @schestowitz The bsdutils package is built from util-linux source package		Sep 06 22:04
schestowitz	https://twitter.com/retroDoomer/status/640628256589279234	Sep 06 22:06
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@retroDoomer: @schestowitz huh? I thought a week ago he said they would		Sep 06 22:06
schestowitz	maybe backpedal	Sep 06 22:06
schestowitz	https://twitter.com/retroDoomer/status/640631989817610240	Sep 06 22:07
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@retroDoomer: @schestowitz @bigonbe systemd is still better than init scripts which duplicate a lot of work. And people can still modify systemd		Sep 06 22:07
schestowitz	it's not an init system	Sep 06 22:08
schestowitz	https://twitter.com/bigonbe/status/640632348741083137	Sep 06 22:09
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@bigonbe: @schestowitz Euh? it depends against _libsystemd0_ not systemd running as PID1. Who cares about a lib that turn itself into a noop?		Sep 06 22:09
schestowitz	https://twitter.com/retroDoomer/status/640634160332193792	Sep 06 22:15
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@retroDoomer: @schestowitz @bigonbe what would you call it?		Sep 06 22:15
schestowitz	new kernel, work in progress, started as init system...	Sep 06 22:15
schestowitz	https://twitter.com/retroDoomer/status/640635907691819008	Sep 06 22:23
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@retroDoomer: @schestowitz @bigonbe that's hilarious. A new kernel? Are you seriously that angst about it?		Sep 06 22:23
schestowitz	I'm exaggerating a little, but they're taking over much of the kernel tools/functions, and make choice an impossibility	Sep 06 22:23
schestowitz	https://twitter.com/AJimenez1988/status/640636686326755329	Sep 06 22:27
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@AJimenez1988: @schestowitz "Politics is war without armed bloodshed. War is politics with armed bloodshed".		Sep 06 22:27
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schestowitz	https://twitter.com/bigonbe/status/640637448075264000	Sep 06 22:32
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@bigonbe: @schestowitz systemd is taking over function from the kernel???		Sep 06 22:32
schestowitz	https://twitter.com/frisdenker/status/640637468346351616	Sep 06 22:32
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@frisdenker: @schestowitz @meneer Should that be exciting? Another Android phone.		Sep 06 22:32
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cubexyz	wide character output	Sep 06 22:52
cubexyz	tsk, why bother with wide character output on unrar?	Sep 06 22:54
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Ubuntu Touch Transforms into an Ubuntu Desktop	Sep 06 22:54
TweetTuxMachines	- Video http://t.co/VordLQk42T	Sep 06 22:54
TweetTuxMachines	(news.softpedia.com)	Sep 06 22:54
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-news.softpedia.com \| Ubuntu Touch Transforms into an Ubuntu Desktop - Video - Softpedia		Sep 06 22:54
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/np1g8	Sep 06 22:54
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Satellite Reign Strategy Game Released For	Sep 06 22:54
TweetTuxMachines	Linux, Some Impressions http://t.co/9tu45ezt3s	Sep 06 22:54
TweetTuxMachines	(www.gamingonlinux.com)	Sep 06 22:54
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/np1ga	Sep 06 22:54
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.gamingonlinux.com \| Satellite Reign Strategy Game Released For Linux, Some Impressions \| GamingOnLinux		Sep 06 22:54
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines The September 2015 Issue of the PCLinuxOS	Sep 06 22:54
TweetTuxMachines	Magazine http://t.co/OaGVlCZiqn (pclosmag.com)	Sep 06 22:54
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-pclosmag.com \| PCLinuxOS Magazine - List Of Articles		Sep 06 22:54
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/np1gb	Sep 06 22:54
msb__	cubexyz: Wide characters are un-American! Everyone should speak English or we'll bomb the crap out of them. We're working in that...	Sep 06 22:56
msb__	on that	Sep 06 22:56
cubexyz	guess I should watch "The Omega Glory" to re-indoctrinate myself :)	Sep 06 22:57
r_schestowitz	https://twitter.com/AJimenez1988/status/640644960069529600	Sep 06 22:58
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@AJimenez1988: @schestowitz I still dream of an alternate reality in which Elop is homeless and MeeGo became a major player.		Sep 06 22:58
cubexyz	that's a joke, hence the smilie on the end	Sep 06 22:58
msb__	The STTOS episode.	Sep 06 22:59
cubexyz	yes :)	Sep 06 22:59
msb__	Ironic, since Captain Jirk made it his business to destroy any culture that didn't obey the Protestant Work Ethic.	Sep 06 23:06
cubexyz	what, other types of work ethics don't measure up?	Sep 06 23:07
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines NCR introduces Android-based ATMs	Sep 06 23:07
TweetTuxMachines	http://t.co/Yt84zmjT5k (www.thestar.com.my)	Sep 06 23:08
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.thestar.com.my \| NCR introduces Android-based ATMs - Tech News \| The Star Online		Sep 06 23:08
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/np1ln	Sep 06 23:08
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Ubuntu Touch Transforms into an Ubuntu Desktop	Sep 06 23:08
TweetTuxMachines	- Video http://t.co/eaeoxyRc9H	Sep 06 23:08
TweetTuxMachines	(www.tuxmachines.org)	Sep 06 23:08
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/np1lo	Sep 06 23:08
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org \| Ubuntu Touch Transforms into an Ubuntu Desktop - Video \| Tux Machines		Sep 06 23:08
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Unique-Looking HandyLinux 2.2 Now Based on	Sep 06 23:08
TweetTuxMachines	Debian 8.2 http://t.co/84BfFAYnym	Sep 06 23:08
TweetTuxMachines	(www.tuxmachines.org)	Sep 06 23:08
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/np1lr	Sep 06 23:08
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org \| Unique-Looking HandyLinux 2.2 Now Based on Debian 8.2 \| Tux Machines		Sep 06 23:08
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines NCR introduces Android-based ATMs	Sep 06 23:08
TweetTuxMachines	http://t.co/EBI1HZGM4s (www.tuxmachines.org)	Sep 06 23:08
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/np1ls	Sep 06 23:08
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org \| NCR introduces Android-based ATMs \| Tux Machines		Sep 06 23:08
msb__	Immortality, nice-weather machine, Happiness, basically.	Sep 06 23:08
*cubexyz considers switching to MartinLutherOS, guaranteed not to have systemd in it		Sep 06 23:08
r_schestowitz	https://twitter.com/AJimenez1988/status/640646092649054208	Sep 06 23:10
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@AJimenez1988: @schestowitz Handsomely in the short and mid term. But ultimately it dooms you.		Sep 06 23:10
msb__	cubexyz: Does it require nailing anything to your computer?	Sep 06 23:11
cubexyz	I'll nail the Unix Philosophy on there	Sep 06 23:11
msb__	I asked on #suse-chat if there were any plans to make systemd optional. The answer was "That ship has sailed."	Sep 06 23:30
msb__	#opensuse-chat	Sep 06 23:31
MinceR	suse was always shit, afaict	Sep 06 23:33
msb__	I thought it was great. Well engineered, reliable, good help in IRC.	Sep 06 23:34
r_schestowitz	https://twitter.com/SleepyPenguin1/status/640654000531111936	Sep 06 23:35
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@SleepyPenguin1: Cyanogen OS @schestowitz Any comments ? Better or worse than Android ? https://t.co/tMKgYgHBoO		Sep 06 23:35
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights--> cyngn.com \| Cyanogen - Cyanogen OS		Sep 06 23:35
r_schestowitz	worse	Sep 06 23:35
MinceR	it always had a rotten reputation, and the versions i tried were crap	Sep 06 23:35
MinceR	and then novell bought suse and became a m$ drone	Sep 06 23:36
MinceR	and then they forced systemd on their users	Sep 06 23:36
r_schestowitz	http://www.google.com/custom?q=cyanogen&sa=Google+%E2%80%BA&sitesearch=techrights.org&client=pub-2479740519054892&forid=1&ie=ISO-8859-1&oe=ISO-8859-1&cof=GALT%3A%23999999%3BGL%3A1%3BDIV%3A%23336699%3BVLC%3A999999%3BAH%3Acenter%3BBGC%3AFFFFFF%3BLBGC%3A999999%3BALC%3A666666%3BLC%3A666666%3BT%3A000000%3BGFNT%3A333333%3BGIMP%3A333333%3BLH%3A50%3BLW%3A50%3BL%3Ahttp%3A%2F%2Ftechrights.org%2Ftechrights-search.png%3BS%3Ahttp%3A%2F%2Fschestowitz.	Sep 06 23:36
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.google.com \| cyanogen - Google Search [ http://ur1.ca/np1x8 ]		Sep 06 23:36
r_schestowitz	com%3BFORID%3A1%3B&hl=en	Sep 06 23:36
MinceR	suse's idea of netinstall is "you'll have to know the ip address of and path on our ftp server by heart"	Sep 06 23:36
MinceR	apparently writing those into a config file on the image would be too difficult for suse	Sep 06 23:36
msb__	Or write it on a piece of paper.	Sep 06 23:37
MinceR	or use a distro that was made by people who know what they're doing.	Sep 06 23:37
MinceR	"open"suse is third to force systemd users on this list: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Systemd#Adoption_and_reception	Sep 06 23:38
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-en.wikipedia.org \| systemd - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia [ http://ur1.ca/nci1p ]		Sep 06 23:38
MinceR	before even arch	Sep 06 23:38
msb__	That's an _extremely_ tiny flaw from which to conclude that they don't know what they're doing. Of course adopting systemd _does_ prove it.	Sep 06 23:39
msb__	Well, they were good to me for a dozen years. I even bought boxed sets.	Sep 06 23:40
MinceR	they couldn't even be bothered to include code to resolve dns.	Sep 06 23:41
msb__	And now they've become Pod People.	Sep 06 23:42
MinceR	and that "open"suse install set the keyboard up to be unusable by default	Sep 06 23:42
MinceR	the shortest keypress resulted in dozens of character repeats	Sep 06 23:42
msb__	Not for me.	Sep 06 23:42
MinceR	and when i used sles/sled at work, it took ages to hunt down a few binary packages	Sep 06 23:43
MinceR	because binary packages are so precious	Sep 06 23:43
msb__	Did you ask for help in IRC?	Sep 06 23:45
MinceR	no	Sep 06 23:45
XRevan86	I think I missed a lot of openSUSE stuff	Sep 06 23:46
XRevan86	in here	Sep 06 23:46
XRevan86	no-systemd is almost a lost cause in openSUSE	Sep 06 23:46
msb__	#suse is very helpful. I've taken a few turns there.	Sep 06 23:46
XRevan86	but… if only someone could actually package the non-systemd stuff, like it was made in Arch	Sep 06 23:46
XRevan86	but nobody does and so here we are	Sep 06 23:47
XRevan86	as a non-English, I had no problems with keyboard layouts	Sep 06 23:48
msb__	XRevan86: I don't understand: "if only someone could actually package the non-systemd stuff..."	Sep 06 23:51
XRevan86	msb__: build.opensuse.org is a free place for any activity by anybody	Sep 06 23:51
XRevan86	except for patenting stuff	Sep 06 23:51
XRevan86	patented I mean	Sep 06 23:51
msb__	So...?	Sep 06 23:52
XRevan86	https://build.opensuse.org/project/show/Base:sysv project already exists but, as you see, maintainer… left	Sep 06 23:52
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-build.opensuse.org \| Show Base:sysv - openSUSE Build Service [ http://ur1.ca/np23u ]		Sep 06 23:52
msb__	Ah	Sep 06 23:53
XRevan86	msb__: So, if someone wants, that someone can support the stuff.	Sep 06 23:53
XRevan86	or, more proper to say, to make the stuff from stratch	Sep 06 23:55
XRevan86	scratch*	Sep 06 23:55
msb__	XRevan86: But aren't there other non-init programs that now depend on systemd?	Sep 06 23:55
XRevan86	msb__: The same method as with Devuan applies	Sep 06 23:56
XRevan86	repackage && PROFIT	Sep 06 23:56
XRevan86	and there's systemd-shim that can help	Sep 06 23:56
cubexyz	I'm leaning more towards openbsd these days	Sep 07 00:00
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Debian 8.2 and More Debian	Sep 07 00:01
TweetTuxMachines	http://t.co/ogMK42ck0w (www.tuxmachines.org)	Sep 07 00:01
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/np278	Sep 07 00:01
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org \| Debian 8.2 and More Debian \| Tux Machines		Sep 07 00:01
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Systemd Starts Doing NTP/Timezones, Unified	Sep 07 00:01
TweetTuxMachines	Cgroup Hierarchy http://t.co/5ihnBmDdcl	Sep 07 00:01
TweetTuxMachines	(www.phoronix.com)	Sep 07 00:01
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.phoronix.com \| Systemd Starts Doing NTP/Timezones, Unified Cgroup Hierarchy - Phoronix		Sep 07 00:01
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/np279	Sep 07 00:01
cubexyz	void linux needs a P4 or newer evidently	Sep 07 00:01
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Unique-Looking HandyLinux 2.2 Now Based on	Sep 07 00:01
TweetTuxMachines	Debian 8.2 http://t.co/shIJflsz7a	Sep 07 00:01
TweetTuxMachines	(news.softpedia.com)	Sep 07 00:01
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-news.softpedia.com \| Unique-Looking HandyLinux 2.2 Now Based on Debian 8.2 - Softpedia		Sep 07 00:01
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/np27a	Sep 07 00:01
r_schestowitz	https://twitter.com/SleepyPenguin1/status/640655301100851200	Sep 07 00:01
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@SleepyPenguin1: @schestowitz Oh.. okay. I'll wander off to bed now .... :)		Sep 07 00:01
cubexyz	once I repair this old toughbook I'll make it into a void box	Sep 07 00:02
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MinceR	i'd rather avoid systemd-shim	Sep 07 00:19
MinceR	i don't want to reward redcrap for forcing their APIs on people	Sep 07 00:19
XRevan86	MinceR: Well, it's a start.	Sep 07 00:20
XRevan86	I'm not suggesting anything, just that it would make the impossible task less impossible.	Sep 07 00:21
MinceR	yes, it's a start to adopt systemd's toxic APIs	Sep 07 00:21
XRevan86	and maybe even pretty possible	Sep 07 00:21
MinceR	it's not impossible	Sep 07 00:21
MinceR	debian 7 can do it, gentoo can do it, slackware can do it	Sep 07 00:21
XRevan86	MinceR: Yeah, that's what I'm suggesting. Adopt systemd's toxic API in openSUSE.	Sep 07 00:21
XRevan86	with systemd-shim	Sep 07 00:22
MinceR	i don't see any point in using *suse at all	Sep 07 00:22
DaemonFC	So basically they're avoiding systemd by reimplementing everything it does with different bugs and quirks.	Sep 07 00:29
DaemonFC	Because that's smart. :P	Sep 07 00:30
MinceR	and the same braindead interfaces	Sep 07 00:30
MinceR	which depend on d-bus	Sep 07 00:30
DaemonFC	soon to be kdbus-shim? :)	Sep 07 00:32
cubexyz	kdbus-new-shim-systemd-shim-other-shims-just-in-case	Sep 07 00:33
MinceR	well, i expect redcrap to introduce backward incompatibility into kdbus once it's securely in place	Sep 07 00:35
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines NCR introduces Android-based ATMs	Sep 07 09:01
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.thestar.com.my \| NCR introduces Android-based ATMs - Tech News \| The Star Online		Sep 07 09:01
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Android Can Dominate The Enterprise Mobility	Sep 07 09:01
TweetTuxMachines	Game http://t.co/JOdzp0vzD4 (techcrunch.com)	Sep 07 09:01
TweetTuxMachines	"mobile workforce user."	Sep 07 09:01
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techcrunch.com \| Android Can Dominate The Enterprise Mobility Game \| TechCrunch		Sep 07 09:01
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Android M Brings Up Service Center Info During	Sep 07 09:11
TweetTuxMachines	911 Calls http://t.co/2tDfXDtOzQ	Sep 07 09:11
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.androidheadlines.com \| Android M Brings Up Service Center Info During 911 Calls \| Androidheadlines.com		Sep 07 09:11
TweetTuxMachines	(www.androidheadlines.com)	Sep 07 09:11
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Toshiba Laptops To Be Better Supported By Linux	Sep 07 09:11
TweetTuxMachines	4.3 http://t.co/zdP23dbf9v (www.phoronix.com)	Sep 07 09:11
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/np7ba	Sep 07 09:11
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.phoronix.com \| Toshiba Laptops To Be Better Supported By Linux 4.3, The Microsoft Surface Pro 3 Too - Phoronix		Sep 07 09:11
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Linux Foundation Security Checklist: Have It	Sep 07 09:11
TweetTuxMachines	Your Way http://t.co/jxZtyhq225	Sep 07 09:11
TweetTuxMachines	(www.linuxinsider.com)	Sep 07 09:11
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.linuxinsider.com \| Linux Foundation Security Checklist: Have It Your Way \| Community \| LinuxInsider		Sep 07 09:11
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Best new icon packs for Android (September	Sep 07 09:11
TweetTuxMachines	2015) http://t.co/sdUDAruoC6	Sep 07 09:11
TweetTuxMachines	(www.tuxmachines.org)	Sep 07 09:11
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/np7bc	Sep 07 09:11
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org \| Best new icon packs for Android (September 2015) \| Tux Machines		Sep 07 09:12
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines LibreOffice Viewer for Ubuntu Touch Making	Sep 07 09:14
TweetTuxMachines	Great Progress http://t.co/wzSjoidU6e	Sep 07 09:14
TweetTuxMachines	(www.tuxmachines.org)	Sep 07 09:15
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/np7co	Sep 07 09:15
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org \| LibreOffice Viewer for Ubuntu Touch Making Great Progress \| Tux Machines		Sep 07 09:15
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines The Ubuntu Tablets Are Coming, and They Look	Sep 07 09:15
TweetTuxMachines	Beefy - Video http://t.co/UEBdHavcyH	Sep 07 09:15
TweetTuxMachines	(www.tuxmachines.org)	Sep 07 09:15
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/np7cp	Sep 07 09:15
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org \| The Ubuntu Tablets Are Coming, and They Look Beefy - Video \| Tux Machines		Sep 07 09:15
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Update notifications in Debian Jessie	Sep 07 09:15
TweetTuxMachines	http://t.co/9AFOAZ46gH (www.tuxmachines.org)	Sep 07 09:15
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/np7cq	Sep 07 09:15
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org \| Update notifications in Debian Jessie \| Tux Machines		Sep 07 09:15
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Best new icon packs for Android (September	Sep 07 09:17
TweetTuxMachines	2015) http://t.co/lLuD3V6I8I	Sep 07 09:17
TweetTuxMachines	(www.phonearena.com)	Sep 07 09:17
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.phonearena.com \| Best new icon packs for Android (September 2015)		Sep 07 09:17
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/np7dm	Sep 07 09:17
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines LibreOffice Viewer for Ubuntu Touch Making	Sep 07 09:17
TweetTuxMachines	Great Progress http://t.co/uUCeKBQ7Gf	Sep 07 09:17
TweetTuxMachines	(linux.softpedia.com)	Sep 07 09:17
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-linux.softpedia.com \| LibreOffice Viewer for Ubuntu Touch Making Great Progress - Softpedia		Sep 07 09:17
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/np7dn	Sep 07 09:17
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines The Ubuntu Tablets Are Coming, and They Look	Sep 07 09:17
TweetTuxMachines	Beefy - Video http://t.co/M4kvD7jqtP	Sep 07 09:17
TweetTuxMachines	(news.softpedia.com)	Sep 07 09:17
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-news.softpedia.com \| The Ubuntu Tablets Are Coming, and They Look Beefy - Video - Softpedia		Sep 07 09:17
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/np7do	Sep 07 09:17
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Update notifications in Debian Jessie	Sep 07 09:24
TweetTuxMachines	http://t.co/m6tB1EJlHg (blog.tenstral.net)	Sep 07 09:24
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/np7fz	Sep 07 09:24
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-blog.tenstral.net \| Update notifications in Debian Jessie \| Ximions Blog		Sep 07 09:24
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines GNOME's Nautilus 3.18 Beta 2 File Manager Gets	Sep 07 09:24
TweetTuxMachines	Multiple Improvements http://t.co/4bsYDSO1jV	Sep 07 09:24
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-linux.softpedia.com \| GNOME's Nautilus 3.18 Beta 2 File Manager Gets Multiple Improvements - Softpedia		Sep 07 09:24
TweetTuxMachines	(linux.softpedia.com)	Sep 07 09:24
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/np7g0	Sep 07 09:24
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Peppermint 6 Respin with UEFI Support Released	Sep 07 09:24
TweetTuxMachines	http://t.co/Lp7M11qjlD (peppermintos.com)	Sep 07 09:24
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/np7g1	Sep 07 09:24
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-peppermintos.com \| Peppermint 6 Respin with UEFI Support Released - Peppermint - The Linux Desktop OS		Sep 07 09:24
schestowitz	MinceR: cubelog msb__	Sep 07 09:33
schestowitz	http://blog.steve.org.uk/the_jessie_8.html	Sep 07 09:33
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-blog.steve.org.uk \| The Jessie 8.2 point-release broke for me [ http://ur1.ca/np7j7 ]		Sep 07 09:33
schestowitz	"The problem isn't running in the foreground, but systemd's process group handling." https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=783683	Sep 07 09:33
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-SSL connect error ( status 0 @ https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=783683 )		Sep 07 09:33
schestowitz	https://twitter.com/bigonbe/status/640814293852782592	Sep 07 10:11
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@bigonbe: @schestowitz Looks like the bug is fixed both in stable and in unstable		Sep 07 10:11
schestowitz	Until the next bug...	Sep 07 10:11
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Mesa 3D Graphics Library 10.6.6 Arrives with 40	Sep 07 10:20
TweetTuxMachines	Bugfixes, Mesa 11.0 RC3 Is Out Too	Sep 07 10:20
TweetTuxMachines	http://t.co/CwRbf1xTlX (news.softpedia.com)	Sep 07 10:20
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-news.softpedia.com \| Mesa 3D Graphics Library 10.6.6 Arrives with 40 Bugfixes, Mesa 11.0 RC3 Is Out Too - Softpedia		Sep 07 10:20
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/np7z5	Sep 07 10:20
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines "The Sunchip CX-S500 is a very tiny Android	Sep 07 10:20
TweetTuxMachines	powered mediaplayer" http://t.co/9nB0wGfIJZ	Sep 07 10:20
TweetTuxMachines	(www.itrunsonlinux.com)	Sep 07 10:20
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/np7z8	Sep 07 10:20
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.itrunsonlinux.com \| Sunchip CX-S500 Android mini mediaplayer \| It runs on Linux		Sep 07 10:20
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines MPV Open-Source MPlayer-Based Video Player Gets	Sep 07 10:20
TweetTuxMachines	a Major Update with New Features	Sep 07 10:20
TweetTuxMachines	http://t.co/8EzwAejIcZ (www.tuxmachines.org)	Sep 07 10:20
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/np7z9	Sep 07 10:20
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org \| MPV Open-Source MPlayer-Based Video Player Gets a Major Update with New Features \| Tux Machines		Sep 07 10:20
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Manjaro Linux: Octopi v0.8 around the corner -	Sep 07 10:20
TweetTuxMachines	translation help needed! http://t.co/O8iKUiJiTF	Sep 07 10:20
TweetTuxMachines	(www.tuxmachines.org)	Sep 07 10:20
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org \| Manjaro Linux: Octopi v0.8 around the corner - translation help needed! \| Tux Machines		Sep 07 10:20
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/np7za	Sep 07 10:20
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Top Five Reasons Why Ubuntu Is the Most Used	Sep 07 10:21
TweetTuxMachines	Linux OS http://t.co/mQGwiI0Q6A	Sep 07 10:21
TweetTuxMachines	(www.tuxmachines.org)	Sep 07 10:21
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org \| Top Five Reasons Why Ubuntu Is the Most Used Linux OS \| Tux Machines		Sep 07 10:21
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/np7zc	Sep 07 10:21
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines HTC Desire 728 Dual SIM With 5.5-Inch Display,	Sep 07 10:21
TweetTuxMachines	Android 5.1 Lollipop Launched	Sep 07 10:21
TweetTuxMachines	http://t.co/NAokdsL1rX (www.tuxmachines.org)	Sep 07 10:21
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/np7zf	Sep 07 10:21
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org \| HTC Desire 728 Dual SIM With 5.5-Inch Display, Android 5.1 Lollipop Launched \| Tux Machines		Sep 07 10:21
*__martin__ (~martin@unaffiliated/--martin--/x-1730694) has joined #techrights		Sep 07 10:56
schestowitz	https://twitter.com/bigonbe/status/640826321954828288	Sep 07 11:08
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@bigonbe: @schestowitz Yeah it's like any other components are bug-free...		Sep 07 11:08
schestowitz	systemd	Sep 07 11:08
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines digiKam Software Collection 4.13.0 released...	Sep 07 11:26
TweetTuxMachines	http://t.co/PlGYsibS04 (www.tuxmachines.org)	Sep 07 11:26
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/np8l7	Sep 07 11:26
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org \| digiKam Software Collection 4.13.0 released... \| Tux Machines		Sep 07 11:26
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines It's 2015 and Microsoft Still Cannot Properly	Sep 07 11:26
TweetTuxMachines	Handle Bootloaders http://t.co/2G3SKIFYxp	Sep 07 11:26
TweetTuxMachines	(techrights.org)	Sep 07 11:26
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/np8l8	Sep 07 11:26
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org \| Sabotage, Not Negligence: It’s 2015 and Microsoft Still Cannot Properly Handle Bootloaders \| Techrights		Sep 07 11:26
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Today in Techrights http://t.co/MxhiLsy2eC	Sep 07 11:26
TweetTuxMachines	(www.tuxmachines.org)	Sep 07 11:26
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org \| Today in Techrights \| Tux Machines		Sep 07 11:26
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/np8l9	Sep 07 11:26
*TweetTuxMachines @schestowitz retweeted @tuxmachines: 'Today in Techrights http://t.co/MxhiLsy2eC'		Sep 07 11:35
*TweetTuxMachines @schestowitz retweeted @tuxmachines: 'It's 2015 and Microsoft Still Cannot Properly Handle...'		Sep 07 11:35
__martin__	shit	Sep 07 12:03
__martin__	and it's here	Sep 07 12:03
__martin__	linux foundation advertises uefi/restrictedboot	Sep 07 12:04
__martin__	https://github.com/lfit/itpol/blob/master/linux-workstation-security.md	Sep 07 12:04
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-github.com \| itpol/linux-workstation-security.md at master · lfit/itpol · GitHub [ http://ur1.ca/nmfni ]		Sep 07 12:04
schestowitz	> Yes, it kills cron. AFAIK it also does not work with syslog unless you	Sep 07 12:04
schestowitz	> go out of your way to manually set it up, even then the communication	Sep 07 12:04
schestowitz	> from systemd to syslog is fragile and too easily broken to rely on it	Sep 07 12:04
schestowitz	> for diagnostics. I am at a loss for words and cannot articulate how	Sep 07 12:04
schestowitz	> wrong and stupid systemd is, even in concept.	Sep 07 12:04
schestowitz	>	Sep 07 12:04
schestowitz	> Yesterday, I did read another systemd booster on the Debian users' list	Sep 07 12:04
schestowitz	> use a fallacy of relative privation, trying to troll. Usually they go	Sep 07 12:04
schestowitz	> ad hominem right away so this was uncommon if not new.	Sep 07 12:04
schestowitz	>	Sep 07 12:04
schestowitz	> They won't stop until linux is dead. The Halloween Documents referred	Sep 07 12:04
schestowitz	> to M$, but Red Hat could effect a decommoditization of linux an achieve	Sep 07 12:04
schestowitz	> more or less the same damage.	Sep 07 12:04
schestowitz	>	Sep 07 12:04
schestowitz	> " Linux can win as long as services / protocols are	Sep 07 12:04
schestowitz	> commodities. "	Sep 07 12:05
schestowitz	>	Sep 07 12:05
schestowitz	> http://www.gnu.org/software/fsfe/projects/ms-vs-eu/halloween1.html	Sep 07 12:05
schestowitz	>	Sep 07 12:05
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.gnu.org \| The Open Source Initiative: Halloween Document 1 [ http://ur1.ca/np8z3 ]		Sep 07 12:05
schestowitz	> It doesn't help that the Stockholm syndrome kicks in with some users.	Sep 07 12:05
schestowitz	Do you think it would be suitable for techrights to start covering this subject? Like the FSF/GNU/RMS, I think it would be unnecessarily divisive for the site's audience, more so than the Novell/Mono thing...	Sep 07 12:05
schestowitz	__martin__: yes, I saw tgatr	Sep 07 12:05
schestowitz	TPM too	Sep 07 12:05
schestowitz	Now just UEFI crap	Sep 07 12:05
schestowitz	But remember IBM and Intel fund them, and both promote those things, respectively	Sep 07 12:05
__martin__	yes, always look at the money flow origin	Sep 07 12:07
schestowitz	https://twitter.com/retroDoomer/status/640841638072315904 https://twitter.com/retroDoomer/status/640841922903277568 https://twitter.com/retroDoomer/status/640843384442224640	Sep 07 12:07
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@retroDoomer: @schestowitz @juhasaarinen not surprised at all. MS has a massive presence here & just finished up a 3 day advert expo.		Sep 07 12:07
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@retroDoomer: @schestowitz @juhasaarinen we're also a politically fucked country and that paper/news outlet is very biased towards right wing politics		Sep 07 12:07
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@retroDoomer: Windows 10 is a privacy and security black hole. And @MasseyUni really should run FOSS email server not MS https://t.co/GycoxCyyBG		Sep 07 12:07
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz: A bait title for #microsoft puff piece http://t.co/7o8kQFhGUp a Microsoft and #vista10 ad in 'article' form		Sep 07 12:07
__martin__	actually what worries me more	Sep 07 12:08
__martin__	is this FCC firmware flashing proposal	Sep 07 12:08
schestowitz	A former colleague of mine works for this university. No idea they were that Microsoft-centric...	Sep 07 12:08
__martin__	have one functional librecmc device at home	Sep 07 12:08
schestowitz	__martin__: I think this proposal will get killed	Sep 07 12:08
schestowitz	__martin__: seems geared towards more easy sueveillance	Sep 07 12:08
schestowitz	as many routers have back doors in them	Sep 07 12:09
__martin__	btw roy, do you think larry lessing stands any chance against empire proposed republican/democrat candidates in run for u.s. president?	Sep 07 12:09
schestowitz	some being described as "bugs", not in the bugging sense	Sep 07 12:09
schestowitz	but based on their 'fixes', they're there intentionally	Sep 07 12:09
schestowitz	__martin__: no	Sep 07 12:09
schestowitz	but at least he gets some press out of it	Sep 07 12:09
schestowitz	or did, months ago	Sep 07 12:09
__martin__	+	Sep 07 12:09
schestowitz	1.5 months ago I think	Sep 07 12:09
schestowitz	and his cause gets some public awareness	Sep 07 12:09
schestowitz	mainly getting money out of politics	Sep 07 12:10
schestowitz	and superPACs	Sep 07 12:10
__martin__	and yeah, there are even scarce pre-defined superuser credentails on routers	Sep 07 12:11
__martin__	(regards cisco catalysts'.. no comment.. close mate of mine who got certificates and even applied to work for the in a krakow subsidiary tells me all the latest status quo stories regards "management bugs" in stable versions of IOS while working for this t-systems datacentre networking group via outsourced position)	Sep 07 12:14
__martin__	them*	Sep 07 12:14
schestowitz	__martin__: someone just sent me this:	Sep 07 12:16
schestowitz	http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/harvard-professor-larry-lessig-running-president/story?id=33568066	Sep 07 12:16
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-abcnews.go.com \| Harvard Professor Larry Lessig Says He's Running for President - ABC News [ http://ur1.ca/np937 ]		Sep 07 12:16
schestowitz	corporate media, too	Sep 07 12:16
schestowitz	https://twitter.com/Zeipt/status/640846927442116609	Sep 07 12:22
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@Zeipt: Спалился на геологах мобильника https://t.co/9W2on0xH4O		Sep 07 12:22
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz: #fbi "found that his phone did not follow the route that he had claimed he took when he went to look for the truck." http://t.co/Lvo321f9nI		Sep 07 12:22
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Linux Kernel 3.18.21 LTS Out Now with ARM,	Sep 07 12:32
TweetTuxMachines	MIPS, HPFS, and Btrfs Improvements	Sep 07 12:32
TweetTuxMachines	http://t.co/nqTCPEaxtw (news.softpedia.com)	Sep 07 12:33
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/np9a4	Sep 07 12:33
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-news.softpedia.com \| Linux Kernel 3.18.21 LTS Out Now with ARM, MIPS, HPFS, and Btrfs Improvements - Softpedia		Sep 07 12:33
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines MPV Open-Source MPlayer-Based Video Player Gets	Sep 07 12:33
TweetTuxMachines	a Major Update with New Features	Sep 07 12:33
TweetTuxMachines	http://t.co/KegGgmAuJE (news.softpedia.com)	Sep 07 12:33
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/np9a5	Sep 07 12:33
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-news.softpedia.com \| MPV Open-Source MPlayer-Based Video Player Gets a Major Update with New Features - Softpedia		Sep 07 12:33
schestowitz	https://twitter.com/kstallett/status/640850143164694528	Sep 07 12:35
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@kstallett: @schestowitz @IAM_magazine @zoobab Patents for medicine(science) and code are terrible ideas.There would be more development in both without		Sep 07 12:35
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Manjaro Linux: Octopi v0.8 around the corner -	Sep 07 12:36
TweetTuxMachines	translation help needed!	Sep 07 12:36
TweetTuxMachines	https://t.co/J3JkyY25UK (manjaro.github.io)	Sep 07 12:36
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-manjaro.github.io \| Octopi v0.8 around the corner - translation help needed! – Manjaro Linux – Enjoy the simplicity		Sep 07 12:36
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/np9bh	Sep 07 12:36
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Top Five Reasons Why Ubuntu Is the Most Used	Sep 07 12:36
TweetTuxMachines	Linux OS http://t.co/mJTQwwoPE8	Sep 07 12:36
TweetTuxMachines	(news.softpedia.com)	Sep 07 12:36
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-news.softpedia.com \| Top Five Reasons Why Ubuntu Is the Most Used Linux OS - Softpedia		Sep 07 12:36
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/np9bi	Sep 07 12:36
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines HTC Desire 728 Dual SIM With 5.5-Inch Display,	Sep 07 12:36
TweetTuxMachines	Android 5.1 Lollipop Launched	Sep 07 12:36
TweetTuxMachines	http://t.co/pd6I8PJ0bL (gadgets.ndtv.com)	Sep 07 12:37
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-gadgets.ndtv.com \| HTC Desire 728 Dual SIM With 5.5-Inch Display, Android 5.1 Lollipop Launched \| NDTV Gadgets		Sep 07 12:37
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/np9bj	Sep 07 12:37
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines digiKam Software Collection 4.13.0 released...	Sep 07 12:37
TweetTuxMachines	https://t.co/Pl9yvvIb1V (www.digikam.org)	Sep 07 12:37
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/np9bl	Sep 07 12:37
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.digikam.org \| digiKam Software Collection 4.13.0 released... \| digiKam - Photo Management Program		Sep 07 12:37
*TweetTuxMachines @RamiSilawi retweeted @tuxmachines: 'Top Five Reasons Why Ubuntu Is the Most...'		Sep 07 12:45
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*Topic for #techrights set by schestowitz!~schestowi@unaffiliated/schestowitz at Sat Jun 9 18:16:19 2012		Sep 07 17:00
msb__	It's sad to see prejudiced people who won't access data that contradicts their prejudice.	Sep 07 17:00
MinceR	next time they should put their propaganda into a windows-only .exe file playing a 24-hour video instead of just a gratuitous video with a shitty player applet	Sep 07 17:01
msb__	MinceR: This time you should watch the video.	Sep 07 17:01
MinceR	ooh, linux foundation's uefi-loving, tpm-loving gnu/linux-destroying checklist	Sep 07 17:01
XRevan86	not just uefi-loving	Sep 07 17:01
XRevan86	secureboot-loving	Sep 07 17:01
XRevan86	What the hell is going on with Linux Foundation?	Sep 07 17:02
MinceR	it was taken over by suits similar to the ones running m$, crApple and redcrap	Sep 07 17:02
schestowitz	https://twitter.com/Zeipt/status/640851076430864384	Sep 07 17:02
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@Zeipt: .@schestowitz #PirateParty is not right a bit - #OpenDNS is #censorship.		Sep 07 17:02
MinceR	also, redcrap itself happened	Sep 07 17:02
schestowitz	https://twitter.com/retroDoomer/status/640851424323047425	Sep 07 17:02
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@retroDoomer: @schestowitz @MasseyUni very. Front page of main student login advertises free Office 365. I encourage LibreOffice where I can.		Sep 07 17:02
MinceR	msb__: if i'll be so desperate to waste my time that i'd watch putin's propaganda videos, i'll be sure to tell you.	Sep 07 17:02
MinceR	perhaps they want to monopolize people's time so they won't have to check sources not controlled by putin	Sep 07 17:03
MinceR	s/have/& time/	Sep 07 17:03
msb__	MinceR: If you ever want to have an accurate view of the world, you will have to engage in Critical Thinking. That involves examining data that contradicts what you already believe.	Sep 07 17:04
MinceR	msb__: Critical Thinking is not the same as immersing yourself in the spam that comes your way first.	Sep 07 17:04
msb__	MinceR: The video only takes a few minutes. So the idea of "monopolize people's time so they won't have to check sources" is utter nonsense.	Sep 07 17:05
MinceR	there's so much data and propaganda out there that nobody can afford to read/watch them all the way through	Sep 07 17:05
MinceR	msb__: text can be read, understood, skimmed, searched and processed far more quickly than video or audio.	Sep 07 17:05
msb__	MinceR: The important thing is to access data that disagrees with your beliefs, so your beliefs can be corrected if they are wrong. You refuse to do that.	Sep 07 17:06
MinceR	perhaps the extra time wasted on a video helps trigger cognitive dissonance, making people like putin more	Sep 07 17:06
msb__	Nonsense.	Sep 07 17:06
MinceR	"i'm a smart person and i've spent an hour on watching a video from RT, therefore RT must be a valuable source"	Sep 07 17:06
MinceR	msb__: you don't know what data i access and you will never know it	Sep 07 17:06
msb__	The video lasts only 5.5 minutes, not an hour.	Sep 07 17:07
msb__	MinceR: You have said right here that you refuse to access that video (which is much more concise than the text of the article).	Sep 07 17:08
MinceR	msb__: all the data consists of that single video?	Sep 07 17:08
msb__	All the data is concisely given in that video.	Sep 07 17:08
MinceR	the only accurate words in that sentence are 'that' and 'video'	Sep 07 17:09
MinceR	RT is your fox noise	Sep 07 17:09
msb__	MinceR: Instead of spending 5.5 minutes watching the video, you smear the source, in order not to have your prejudice questioned.	Sep 07 17:10
MinceR	keep fighting for oppression, putin's virtual warrior	Sep 07 17:11
msb__	MinceR: Keep LYING about me, MinceR. That way you won't ever learn anything.	Sep 07 17:11
MinceR	keep reading RT. that way you won't ever learn anything true.	Sep 07 17:12
MinceR	why not sign up for putin's army and volunteer to kill some crimean tatars?	Sep 07 17:12
msb__	I read many sources in addition to RT.	Sep 07 17:12
MinceR	yeah, you read many "sources" that do little more than repeat RT articles	Sep 07 17:12
msb__	MinceR: Why not go to a mental hospital and have yourself committed?	Sep 07 17:13
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MinceR	msb__: why not go kill some gay people if you hate them so much?	Sep 07 17:13
msb__	MinceR: Why not go to a mental hospital and have yourself committed?	Sep 07 17:13
MinceR	http://www.theguardian.com/world/2015/apr/06/russian-lgbt-activists-describe-victimisation-repression-and-hope	Sep 07 17:13
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.theguardian.com \| Russian LGBT activists describe victimisation, repression … and hope \| World news \| The Guardian [ http://ur1.ca/npc2a ]		Sep 07 17:13
MinceR	http://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2015/sep/05/snowden-criticises-russia-internet-homosexuality	Sep 07 17:13
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.theguardian.com \| Snowden criticises Russia for approach to internet and homosexuality \| US news \| The Guardian [ http://ur1.ca/npc2c ]		Sep 07 17:13
msb__	MinceR: STOP LYING ABOUT ME.	Sep 07 17:13
MinceR	stop lying about putin, russia and their enemies	Sep 07 17:14
msb__	Snowden is correct.	Sep 07 17:14
MinceR	and yet you support putin	Sep 07 17:14
msb__	MinceR: STOP LYING ABOUT ME. I do not lie about putin.	Sep 07 17:14
MinceR	you do, routinely	Sep 07 17:14
msb__	MinceR: STOP LYING ABOUT ME. The only way I support putin is in his actions to oppose the US from dominating the entire world.	Sep 07 17:15
MinceR	which are apparently all his actions, ever	Sep 07 17:15
MinceR	apparently you'd prefer for russia to dominate the entire world	Sep 07 17:15
msb__	MinceR: STOP LYING ABOUT ME. I have never said I would	Sep 07 17:16
MinceR	they've brainwashed you through their "news" and "research" sites	Sep 07 17:16
msb__	"prefer for russia to dominate the entire world".	Sep 07 17:16
msb__	If you claim that I have, QUOTE ME SAYING IT.	Sep 07 17:16
msb__	All seven of the alternative news sources that I've found, which have no connection with Russia or Putin, agree, e.g., that the US enforced a Nazi coup in Ukraine.	Sep 07 17:18
MinceR	you support putin's efforts to annex ukraine, the baltic countries, poland, hungary, and the rest of europe	Sep 07 17:18
MinceR	and your entire justification for it is "durr hurr the usa is evil!"	Sep 07 17:18
msb__	MinceR: You claim these news sites are controlled by Putin, but you have never given the slightest bit of proof.	Sep 07 17:18
MinceR	i have, but you ignored it	Sep 07 17:18
msb__	MinceR: STOP LYING ABOUT ME. I have never said anything like this: "you support putin's efforts to annex ukraine, the baltic countries, poland, hungary, and the rest of europe"	Sep 07 17:19
MinceR	yeah, you used different words	Sep 07 17:19
msb__	Quote me.	Sep 07 17:19
MinceR	i wonder if you'd sing the same song if you lived in the eastern bloc	Sep 07 17:20
MinceR	or you're only willing to toss out the lives and freedoms of other people	Sep 07 17:20
msb__	Quote me.	Sep 07 17:20
MinceR	it's easy to cheer for putin's conquests from an armchair in the usa	Sep 07 17:20
msb__	MinceR: STOP LYING ABOUT ME. Quote me saying I'm "willing to toss out the lives and freedoms of other people".	Sep 07 17:21
MinceR	anytime something goes wrong anywhere, you immediately say it's the usa/nazis, but whatever putin does (as the head of a christian fundamentalist nazi, fascist dictatorship) is acceptable to you	Sep 07 17:22
MinceR	whenever someone ends up on the opposite side of a conflict from putin, you attack them	Sep 07 17:22
MinceR	you keep advertising other dictatorships aligned with the ussr without having any clue about what actually goes on there	Sep 07 17:23
msb__	MinceR: STOP LYING ABOUT ME. Those are nonsensical generalizations about me that you have fabricated out of your irrational prejudice.	Sep 07 17:23
MinceR	if any state is ran in at least a little bit democratic way and their market is not completely centrally controlled, you call them nazis	Sep 07 17:24
msb__	MinceR: STOP LYING ABOUT ME. If you disagree with something I've said, quote it, and then argue about it.	Sep 07 17:24
MinceR	i'm summing up your ramblings	Sep 07 17:24
MinceR	if you forgot what you said, look it up in the logs.	Sep 07 17:24
msb__	Your are LYING about my statements.	Sep 07 17:24
MinceR	oh yes, if someone exposes you as a supporter of dictatorships and a hypocrite, all you can say is "HURR DURR YOU'RE LYING ABOUT ME"	Sep 07 17:25
msb__	Nonsense. If you make claims about what I said, it is your responsibility to quote what I said.	Sep 07 17:25
MinceR	no, it is not my responsibility to flood this channel with the bullshit you spewed here over the years	Sep 07 17:25
msb__	I haven't said hurr durr anything.	Sep 07 17:26
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msb__	You are flooding this channel with false generalizations about what I said. Because you know you can't prove your claims from quotes.	Sep 07 17:26
MinceR	apparently msb__ only reads book/movie reviews that quote the entire text of the book/movie	Sep 07 17:27
MinceR	what's in this for you?	Sep 07 17:27
MinceR	do you think putin will reward you for shilling for him?	Sep 07 17:28
msb__	Another nonsense statement.	Sep 07 17:28
MinceR	he won't. he doesn't care about you.	Sep 07 17:28
MinceR	he doesn't care for any of the misled people who fight for his cause online.	Sep 07 17:28
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msb__	I am not fighting for any cause except the truth. You linked an article based on false information. I linked a video correcting that information, but you refuse to access it.	Sep 07 17:30
msb__	You fabricate lies about what I've said, and refuse to back up your claims with quotes from me. You can't, because your claims are lies.	Sep 07 17:32
MinceR	you call whatever putin's mouthpieces say "the truth" regardless of whether it's true or not	Sep 07 17:32
MinceR	my claims are summaries of what you said over a long time, and i'm not going to flood the channel to appease you	Sep 07 17:33
MinceR	and by the way "a global dictatorship" is not "the truth", it's a dystopian future.	Sep 07 17:33
XRevan86	msb__: Well, it's not like this rt.com article was very convincing.	Sep 07 17:33
XRevan86	Though a little research of their presented information could lead to the truth	Sep 07 17:33
msb__	MinceR: If your claims are summaries, you should be able to give one or two recent quotes supporting your claims. But you can't, because your claims are lies.	Sep 07 17:33
XRevan86	(I didn't bother myself)	Sep 07 17:33
MinceR	msb__: your responses would be the same anyway, so i don't waste my time	Sep 07 17:34
msb__	XRevan86: The video at the top of the article is better than the text.	Sep 07 17:34
XRevan86	msb__: I watched it, yes.	Sep 07 17:34
XRevan86	msb__: Can you give the link again?	Sep 07 17:35
msb__	Well, it has the representative of the Delovaya Zhizn site saying that the article was hacked from a Kiev IP.	Sep 07 17:35
XRevan86	ah, no need	Sep 07 17:35
msb__	http://www.rt.com/news/313653-russia-ukraine-soldiers-fake-forbes/	Sep 07 17:36
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.rt.com \| Who slipped? How fake report on ‘Russian soldier deaths’ in Ukraine set MSM on fire — RT News [ http://ur1.ca/nl21a ]		Sep 07 17:36
XRevan86	msb__: Do they? Someone personally should ask them.	Sep 07 17:36
msb__	If the video won't stream, I have a recording of it that I made from RT.	Sep 07 17:36
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*Topic for #techrights set by schestowitz!~schestowi@unaffiliated/schestowitz at Sat Jun 9 18:16:19 2012		Sep 07 17:43
XRevan86	> An independent analysis by Ruslan Leviev suggests that the Business Life document may be fake. I discuss Leviev’s analysis in a follow-up post, and have revised this post accordingly	Sep 07 17:44
XRevan86	And that is enough.	Sep 07 17:44
MinceR	that site is great	Sep 07 17:45
MinceR	empty page, with a circular animation going around and around	Sep 07 17:45
MinceR	i enable javascript, i get a fullscreen ad with a countdown	Sep 07 17:45
MinceR	i click contiune to site, i get the animation again	Sep 07 17:45
MinceR	the web is dead.	Sep 07 17:45
XRevan86	MinceR: Reenter the link	Sep 07 17:45
MinceR	congrats to the w3c, you did it, guys! you fucked it all up!	Sep 07 17:46
XRevan86	When I figured that, I finally realised Forbes just sucks	Sep 07 17:46
XRevan86	I thought they're blocking me	Sep 07 17:46
MinceR	they really should go whole hog and put activex into the html5 "standard" too	Sep 07 17:47
MinceR	but yeah, that's a far better argument than RT claiming BL claiming they were "hacked"	Sep 07 17:47
msb__	The Forbes article comes in ok for me with firefox.	Sep 07 17:47
MinceR	(not that "hack" means what they think it means anyway)	Sep 07 17:47
XRevan86	MinceR: Turnes out, RT is right.	Sep 07 17:47
MinceR	it managed to load (very slowly) in my trash profile	Sep 07 17:47
XRevan86	+1 to RT	Sep 07 17:48
msb__	MinceR: What is a "trash profile" ?	Sep 07 17:50
schestowitz	RT is crap	Sep 07 17:50
XRevan86	A secondary Firefox profile, I guess	Sep 07 17:50
XRevan86	-1 to RT	Sep 07 17:50
schestowitz	I only link to it when I lack enough sources to translate something	Sep 07 17:50
MinceR	msb__: a firefox/iceweasel profile named "trash" (named after adobe flash), which is the only profile i enabled the flash plugin in	Sep 07 17:50
schestowitz	RT is good at one thing	Sep 07 17:50
MinceR	it also doesn't have noscript installed	Sep 07 17:50
schestowitz	countering Washington jingoism	Sep 07 17:51
schestowitz	Police brutality, attacks on whistleblowers, etc.	Sep 07 17:51
MinceR	so i use that if i want to view the contents of a website that's doing way too much to prevent me from accessing it	Sep 07 17:51
schestowitz	Much of RT is Putin propaganda	Sep 07 17:51
schestowitz	underplaying/lowballing financial disparity and high-level corruption in Russia	Sep 07 17:51
schestowitz	and pro-Russia Military puff pieces	Sep 07 17:51
MinceR	(the usual shit: js from dozens of domains, preferably not connected to the site itself, flash applets, etc.)	Sep 07 17:51
schestowitz	inc. damage control, e.g. when a sub goes up in flames with smoke	Sep 07 17:52
MinceR	for less broken sites, enabling js from one or two domains or disabling css is sufficient	Sep 07 17:52
schestowitz	Kremlin and Russia are obviously influences a lot by military	Sep 07 17:52
schestowitz	like in USSR, like in UK, US, Israel etc.	Sep 07 17:52
schestowitz	Military censors and all in the media, don't trust it for reporting on its own affairs, only foreign, with a grain of salt	Sep 07 17:53
MinceR	i wonder what good is countering washington jingoism from a site that's not credible due to its shameless posting of putin's propaganda	Sep 07 17:53
msb__	schestowitz: Please cite some actual RT stories proving that "Much of RT is Putin propaganda"	Sep 07 17:53
MinceR	in the end, we get obviously biased sites shouting at each other	Sep 07 17:53
XRevan86	schestowitz: You believe, newsru.com is affected too?	Sep 07 17:53
schestowitz	[17:53] <MinceR> i wonder what good is countering washington jingoism from a site that's not credible due to its shameless posting of putin's propaganda	Sep 07 17:53
schestowitz	They still can't make stuff up when covering US abuses	Sep 07 17:54
schestowitz	it's too far away	Sep 07 17:54
MinceR	sure they can	Sep 07 17:54
XRevan86	schestowitz: Don't see a problem.	Sep 07 17:54
schestowitz	but when people like snowden of machon... or drake and binney have nobody in MSM to turn to, they got to RT or AJ	Sep 07 17:54
schestowitz	*go	Sep 07 17:54
MinceR	in current "journalism", they aren't even expected to cite their sources	Sep 07 17:54
MinceR	if only they turned to multiple sites independent of each other	Sep 07 17:55
schestowitz	so RT can be a platform for voicing opinions of US personnel whom the MSM in US (or UK, e.g. Machan, Pirate Party) suppresses	Sep 07 17:55
schestowitz	msb__: go to front page	Sep 07 17:55
schestowitz	msb__: browese around	Sep 07 17:55
schestowitz	a lot of RT is nationalistic	Sep 07 17:55
schestowitz	(like MSM in other countries, only RT is more tightly controlled by gov.)	Sep 07 17:56
schestowitz	!google putin visits Russia Today RT photos	Sep 07 17:56
TechrightsBot-tr	[1] - Putin's Beijing visit to boost Russia-China trade — RT Business \| https://www.rt.com/business/314081-russia-china-deals-coopeartion/	Sep 07 17:56
TechrightsBot-tr	[2] - Japan: Putin's visit to Tokyo may settle Kuril Islands dispute - RT.com \| https://www.rt.com/news/260277-putin-japan-kuril-islands/	Sep 07 17:56
TechrightsBot-tr	[3] - Putin talks NSA, Syria, Iran, drones in RT interview (FULL VIDEO ... \| http://www.rt.com/news/putin-rt-interview-full-577/	Sep 07 17:56
TechrightsBot-tr	[4] - 'His handshakes break hands': Press secretary dismisses Putin ... \| http://www.rt.com/politics/240025-russia-peskov-putin-health/	Sep 07 17:56
schestowitz	(disregard the above, not relevant)	Sep 07 17:56
schestowitz	[17:54] <MinceR> in current "journalism", they aren't even expected to cite their sources	Sep 07 17:56
schestowitz	Depends on how you define journalism	Sep 07 17:56
schestowitz	Sites like The Register or ITWire hardly have links	Sep 07 17:57
schestowitz	TR has many links	Sep 07 17:57
schestowitz	RT has some, but not many	Sep 07 17:57
schestowitz	Consrtium News has almost none	Sep 07 17:57
MinceR	TR does, but most sites i've seen don't have many, usually they have none	Sep 07 17:57
schestowitz	like it's printed in paper	Sep 07 17:57
schestowitz	they think we still have this limitation	Sep 07 17:57
MinceR	indeed	Sep 07 17:57
schestowitz	academic papers used to have citations [1]	Sep 07 17:58
MinceR	if journalism didn't die before the spread of the internet, we'd have them, most likely	Sep 07 17:58
schestowitz	some still use this limiting style on the Web!!!	Sep 07 17:58
schestowitz	Even if they don't just latex2html	Sep 07 17:58
schestowitz	A lot of the news I find I just looks links inside of... to find the source.... in MSM that's nearly impossible	Sep 07 17:58
schestowitz	they might name the source but even then not give the link	Sep 07 17:58
schestowitz	like "According to the Washington Post'	Sep 07 17:59
schestowitz	"An online blog..."	Sep 07 17:59
schestowitz	Still no link, that's rubbish and worthless	Sep 07 17:59
schestowitz	I can understand why sites that correspond to PRINTED newspapers don't have links	Sep 07 17:59
schestowitz	the reporters focus on print media	Sep 07 17:59
msb__	schestowitz: RT: "Liberals blast Russian election law as ‘medieval,’ suggest radical changes" Is that what you mean as Putin propaganda? If not, please point some out.	Sep 07 18:00
schestowitz	and print media has no notion like hyperlink	Sep 07 18:00
schestowitz	but if they have analogous online version, they might as well make it a two-form publication, one for paper and one for online, with working links	Sep 07 18:00
schestowitz	for sites with paywalls that are cited, or newspapers with no Internet sites (are there any?) this may be an issue	Sep 07 18:00
schestowitz	msb__: let me see..	Sep 07 18:01
schestowitz	front page	Sep 07 18:02
schestowitz	top two stories bash Europe	Sep 07 18:02
schestowitz	4th story also anti-US pro-Russia story	Sep 07 18:02
schestowitz	3rd is Iraq story	Sep 07 18:02
schestowitz	against ISIS, which Russia doesn't like (a threat to Russia at the south)	Sep 07 18:03
schestowitz	5th story abotu Thailand	Sep 07 18:03
schestowitz	and feature article in front page:	Sep 07 18:03
schestowitz	"95,000 Russian troops to take part in Central Military District surprise check"	Sep 07 18:03
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schestowitz	Military propaganda	Sep 07 18:04
MinceR	even printed newspapers could have URLs (shortened ones, even) in their articles	Sep 07 18:04
MinceR	if they cared	Sep 07 18:04
schestowitz	so in summary, 66% of top stories anti EU	Sep 07 18:04
schestowitz	the rest is Thaitrland and anti-US, pro-Russia military	Sep 07 18:05
schestowitz	and highlight is pro-Russia Military	Sep 07 18:05
schestowitz	and that's just based on a random check from 2 minutes ago	Sep 07 18:05
msb__	schestowitz: Which of those articles you cite are Putin propaganda, or are untrue?	Sep 07 18:05
schestowitz	so one who reads the site wouls think Russian soldiers are awesome, Russia "aids" Syria (with weapons), US stands in the way of aid, and Europe is a bloody mess that no Russian would ever want to immigrate to	Sep 07 18:06
schestowitz	of course it's easy to just stumble upon some particular RT articles you like	Sep 07 18:06
schestowitz	but that's not what RT _as a whole_ is about	Sep 07 18:06
schestowitz	msb__: bias by selection	Sep 07 18:07
msb__	schestowitz: Only if the reader was a lunatic who made ridiculous generalizations from a few limited news stories.	Sep 07 18:07
schestowitz	propaganda by amplifying what makes Russia look good	Sep 07 18:07
schestowitz	or what makes its adversaries look bad	Sep 07 18:07
schestowitz	show me RT exposing leaks/top stories on Russian oligarchs protected by Kremlin	Sep 07 18:07
schestowitz	Or something about Ukraine that's not Russian spin	Sep 07 18:08
msb__	schestowitz: So now you're saying that your claim that RT is Putin propaganda is based on what they _don't_ publish?	Sep 07 18:08
schestowitz	no, reread what I wrote	Sep 07 18:10
schestowitz	the editorial control is all nationalistic, as is the case in many other countries	Sep 07 18:10
schestowitz	so you need to read Russia-hostile sources to see what RT et al. are trying to hide or distract from	Sep 07 18:11
msb__	That would be any and all corporate US and UK newspapers.	Sep 07 18:11
MinceR	http://blogs.msdn.com/b/oldnewthing/archive/2015/09/07/10640031.aspx	Sep 07 18:12
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-blogs.msdn.com \| I guess this explains why Warren Buffett hasn't retired - The Old New Thing - Site Home - MSDN Blogs [ http://ur1.ca/npcsv ]		Sep 07 18:12
msb__	schestowitz: Here is the one and only article linked from the RT front page about Putin. Is there anything inaccurate in it? http://www.rt.com/politics/314397-situation-in-ukraine-depends-on/	Sep 07 18:14
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.rt.com \| ‘Ukraine situation depends on its people’s patience, not on Russia’ – Putin — RT Russian politics [ http://ur1.ca/npcty ]		Sep 07 18:14
MinceR	even the title is a blatant lie	Sep 07 18:15
schestowitz	https://twitter.com/backavar/status/640933890853441536?cn=cmVwbHk%3D&refsrc=email	Sep 07 18:15
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@backavar: @schestowitz maybe, but no one in the US has even bothered to listen to what I have to say. Instead they talk about me. I hate it.		Sep 07 18:15
schestowitz	Mr. drone strikes	Sep 07 18:15
schestowitz	1600 kills I think	Sep 07 18:15
schestowitz	like almost half of the whole	Sep 07 18:15
schestowitz	it's nice that he's in twitter, trying to appease people like me..	Sep 07 18:16
MinceR	russia is still pretending that they have no forces in crimea (and likely other parts of ukraine)?	Sep 07 18:16
MinceR	i guess this is classic Big Lie	Sep 07 18:16
schestowitz	I think in Crimea it's a lie to say no forces	Sep 07 18:20
schestowitz	alas, to say that the Buk was shot by Russians is not correct based on what I can gather	Sep 07 18:20
schestowitz	the Buk was made in Russian and came from there	Sep 07 18:20
schestowitz	but no evidence that the operators were Russians masked as "separatists"	Sep 07 18:21
schestowitz	Even Finland has Buks	Sep 07 18:21
schestowitz	Vladimir bukin	Sep 07 18:21
MinceR	i think it's unlikely that russians would hand over their Buks to the ukrainians they're aiming to subjugate	Sep 07 18:21
schestowitz	what about pro-Russian rebels?	Sep 07 18:21
MinceR	it's far more likely that they'd hand them over to the separatists who are allegedly not russian soldiers	Sep 07 18:21
schestowitz	yes, that's what I meant	Sep 07 18:22
MinceR	or allegedly on a vacation, depending on what fits into the official story better	Sep 07 18:22
schestowitz	https://www.joindiaspora.com/posts/6566290	Sep 07 18:22
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@c_blondel@framasphere.org: À Bruxelles, des agriculteurs jettent du foin sur la police et y mettent... https://youtu.be/N6e4-RJ1vyc via @Youyoute		Sep 07 18:22
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights--> www.youtube.com \| À Bruxelles, des agriculteurs jettent du foin sur la police et y mettent le feu - YouTube		Sep 07 18:22
msb__	MinceR: The US invaded Ukraine using Nazi proxies -- Right Sector and Svoboda -- and 5 BILLION dollars. Russia has the right to protect its people there who don't want to live under a regime that backs the WW2 Nazis that killed 20 million Russians.	Sep 07 18:23
MinceR	yawn	Sep 07 18:23
MinceR	https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BqmboHoCcAAgE8z.jpg	Sep 07 18:23
MinceR	don't you have any less tired fascist cliches ready?	Sep 07 18:23
msb__	MinceR: a nonsensical response.	Sep 07 18:23
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msb__	US corporate/govt media. Russia has done no mass murder or ethnic cleansing in Ukraine at all.	Sep 07 18:24
schestowitz	Germany under Nazis didn't try to protect "ethnic germans"	Sep 07 18:25
MinceR	funny how killing in ww2 matters but stuff that happened later you dismiss as being old stuff	Sep 07 18:25
schestowitz	that's not what the motivator was	Sep 07 18:25
MinceR	msb__: you really don't let facts hinder your argumentation, do you?	Sep 07 18:25
schestowitz	Not sure how to frame the Milosevic [spelling] thing	Sep 07 18:25
msb__	MinceR: You keep LYING about me, don't you?	Sep 07 18:25
MinceR	schestowitz: neither is russia	Sep 07 18:25
MinceR	they just want to extend their empire	Sep 07 18:25
MinceR	msb__: can't you come up with anything else?	Sep 07 18:26
schestowitz	something with the word "Destroy" in it	Sep 07 18:26
MinceR	msb__: one would think you're more mature than a kid in kindergarten...	Sep 07 18:26
msb__	If you come up with any facts, I will discuss them.	Sep 07 18:26
MinceR	msb__: i have, and you dismissed them or ignored them	Sep 07 18:26
schestowitz	I have alerts set for "roy", so msb_ keeps showing up in my alerts in KDE...	Sep 07 18:26
MinceR	schestowitz: lol	Sep 07 18:26
schestowitz	the other thing is twitter items with the word "royal" in them	Sep 07 18:27
schestowitz	in -social channel	Sep 07 18:27
schestowitz	but several times a day msb__ would say destroy, and probably Nazis too	Sep 07 18:27
schestowitz	maybe thermite...	Sep 07 18:28
msb__	MinceR: You fabricate lies about what I've said, and then refuse to cite any quotes from me to prove them. Because you can't.	Sep 07 18:28
MinceR	msb__: you apparently forget everything you say instantly	Sep 07 18:28
MinceR	msb__: or you don't know what the things you say mean	Sep 07 18:28
MinceR	msb__: or you're just a lying putler shill	Sep 07 18:28
MinceR	msb__: or a combination of the above	Sep 07 18:29
MinceR	msb__: why not put your money where your mouth is and move to russia?	Sep 07 18:29
msb__	MinceR: I remember well what I've said. It just doesn't support your lies about me, which is why I ask you to give quotes to support your claims.	Sep 07 18:29
MinceR	i'm sure you'd enjoy being enrolled into the russian orthodox church	Sep 07 18:30
msb__	Is that a requirement for all Russian citizens?	Sep 07 18:30
MinceR	you could even join the army and risk your own ass as a soldier "on vacation" instead of shooting your mouth off about how putin's enemies must die	Sep 07 18:31
MinceR	it may yet become a requirement	Sep 07 18:31
msb__	MinceR: Stop LYING about me. Or give a quote where I've said "putin's enemies must die"	Sep 07 18:33
MinceR	you support russians waging war on others	Sep 07 18:34
MinceR	what do you think happens in a war?	Sep 07 18:34
msb__	The US, its 5 billion dollars, and its Ukrainian Nazi proxies started the war in Ukraine. Russia has the right to protect its people there who are being atttacked and want its protection.	Sep 07 18:36
schestowitz	Russia has not historically protected Ukraine	Sep 07 18:37
msb__	It is the US and those Nazis that are "waging" war there.	Sep 07 18:37
schestowitz	!google stalin punish ukraine famine	Sep 07 18:37
TechrightsBot-tr	[1] - Ukraine Famine \| United Human Rights Council \| http://www.unitedhumanrights.org/genocide/ukraine_famine.htm	Sep 07 18:37
TechrightsBot-tr	[2] - InfoUkes: Ukrainian History -- The Artificial Famine/Genocide ... \| http://www.infoukes.com/history/famine/	Sep 07 18:37
TechrightsBot-tr	[3] - The Great Ukrainian Famine of 1932-33 - Online Encyclopedia of ... \| http://www.massviolence.org/the-1932-1933-great-famine-in-ukraine	Sep 07 18:37
TechrightsBot-tr	[4] - The Ukrainian Famine of 1932-1933 as Genocide \| http://www.faminegenocide.com/2008-competition/02-famine_as_genocide.htm	Sep 07 18:37
schestowitz	This alone is worse than all recent US invasions	Sep 07 18:37
msb__	It was also 80 years ago, and has nothing to do with the present situation.	Sep 07 18:38
MinceR	msb__: bullshit.	Sep 07 18:38
schestowitz	" Every year Ukrainians pay tribute to the 10 million innocent people who suffered and died from the artificial famine in Soviet Ukraine. The famine from 1932-1933 was not the result of a drought, flood, or crop failure; rather, it was caused by Joseph Stalin’s intention to eliminate the Ukrainian nation, and was entirely man-made. "	Sep 07 18:38
schestowitz	combined Vietnam, Iraq, korea etc. and you're stil short of 10 million dead, by most counts	Sep 07 18:39
schestowitz	some would say 11ml	Sep 07 18:39
msb__	That was 80 years ago. Ukrainian Nazis are killing people today (although maybe they've slowed down recently).	Sep 07 18:39
MinceR	russian nazis are killing people today	Sep 07 18:39
MinceR	and you're cheering them on	Sep 07 18:39
msb__	MinceR: No. First, Russians are not Nazis, except in your mind where you have falsified concepts. Second, people in east Ukraine have requested protection and annexation from Russia, and IIRC, a million people have fled to Russia from there.	Sep 07 18:41
MinceR	msb__: so, if the russian nationalist fundamentalist imperialist fascists who own the entire country, oppress gays and are in cahoots with the russian orthodox church aren't nazis, what are they?	Sep 07 18:43
msb__	They are not what you exaggerate them to be.	Sep 07 18:43
MinceR	they are all that, and more	Sep 07 18:43
msb__	So you lie.	Sep 07 18:44
MinceR	but of course your favorite RT won't tell that to you, and neither will the garbage sites who copy RT articles	Sep 07 18:44
MinceR	so to you, it doesn't exist	Sep 07 18:44
MinceR	msb__: also, if a KGB agent serving the ussr turned dictator with less denial about being a nationalist is not a nazi, then what is he?	Sep 07 18:44
msb__	MinceR: You constantly LIE about all alternative news sites and claim they are getting news from Russia, which they are not.	Sep 07 18:46
MinceR	they don't say they're getting news from RT?	Sep 07 18:46
msb__	Correct	Sep 07 18:46
MinceR	that's good, because that's not news, it's fascist government propaganda	Sep 07 18:46
msb__	You don't know what fascism is.	Sep 07 18:47
MinceR	no, you don't know what it is	Sep 07 18:47
MinceR	you never experienced it from your armchair in the usa.	Sep 07 18:47
MinceR	by the way, how does it feel to be in denial about opposing all human rights?	Sep 07 18:47
msb__	You think fascism and authoritarianism are the same, but you are wrong.	Sep 07 18:48
msb__	Fascism is a type of authoritarianism, but not all auth. is fascism.	Sep 07 18:48
MinceR	"Fascism (/fæʃɪzəm/) is a form of radical authoritarian nationalism[1][2] that came to prominence in early 20th-century Europe."	Sep 07 18:48
MinceR	radical, check. authoritarian, check. nationalist, check.	Sep 07 18:49
msb__	MinceR: BTW, how does it feel to be LYING with every alternate statement that you make?	Sep 07 18:49
MinceR	protip: pretending that you're a "council" and not a russian does not make you not nationalist.	Sep 07 18:49
MinceR	replacing words do not make the underlying concept any better.	Sep 07 18:49
MinceR	"council" is not better than "russian" in the same way "bing" is not better than "msn search"	Sep 07 18:49
msb__	As I said, Fascism is a type of authoritarianism.	Sep 07 18:49
MinceR	and you love authoritarianism	Sep 07 18:50
msb__	But not all authoritarianism is fascism.	Sep 07 18:50
MinceR	but you hate to have it called fascism	Sep 07 18:50
MinceR	even though the one you're shilling for is fascism.	Sep 07 18:50
msb__	MinceR: Do you understand subsets? Logical implication?	Sep 07 18:50
msb__	MinceR: STOP LYING ABOUT ME! STOP LYING ABOUT ME! STOP LYING ABOUT ME!	Sep 07 18:51
msb__	I am not shilling for anybody.	Sep 07 18:51
msb__	MinceR: Do you understand subsets? Logical implication?	Sep 07 18:51
MinceR	msb__: oh, and by the way, trying to blur the lines between (russian-style) state communism and anarcho-communism is not helping your case.	Sep 07 18:51
MinceR	msb__: unlike you, i know what i'm talking about.	Sep 07 18:52
msb__	MinceR: STOP LYING ABOUT ME! I have stated very clearly that I do not favor state-controlled socialism. I favor worker-controlled socialism.	Sep 07 18:53
msb__	I have told you that many times, but you keep lying about what I've said.	Sep 07 18:53
schestowitz	some sites follow RT	Sep 07 18:53
schestowitz	some repost it	Sep 07 18:53
MinceR	and then you run your mouth about how state-controlled "socialist" states are great	Sep 07 18:54
schestowitz	some take their memos/instructions from same auhtorities	Sep 07 18:54
schestowitz	Sputnik a recent addition to these	Sep 07 18:54
schestowitz	Some of them went off the radar	Sep 07 18:54
schestowitz	maybe abandoned when people realise what they were up to	Sep 07 18:54
msb__	I don't use sputnik.	Sep 07 18:54
schestowitz	pravda.ru is still active	Sep 07 18:54
msb__	Or pravda	Sep 07 18:54
schestowitz	some I'd never cite because they're vile sites calling themselves "news"	Sep 07 18:54
MinceR	wow, there are two putin mouthpieces msb__ does not admit to using	Sep 07 18:54
schestowitz	all operated out of moscow	Sep 07 18:55
schestowitz	they'd spew out the official line when instructed	Sep 07 18:55
msb__	MinceR: I don't admit it because I never use them. STOP LYING ABOUT ME!	Sep 07 18:55
schestowitz	like "jets shoot cockpit of Malaysia Airlines flight"	Sep 07 18:55
MinceR	msb__: if you had any credibility at all, that would even mean something.	Sep 07 18:55
msb__	schestowitz: There is photographic evidence of that -- pictures of the metal shot from both sides.	Sep 07 18:56
schestowitz	Sputnik is good at covering US whistleblowers and giving them a voice/platform	Sep 07 18:56
schestowitz	msb__: don't start...	Sep 07 18:56
schestowitz	leave that to Pravda and the Moscow Mafia...	Sep 07 18:56
MinceR	maybe he's a member of the moscow mafia	Sep 07 18:56
schestowitz	they're obviouslt effective as some people will believe anything	Sep 07 18:57
msb__	schestowitz: Are you telling me not to show the pictorial evidence?	Sep 07 18:58
MinceR	depends on whether you want us to be amazed by the photoshop skills of russian government employees	Sep 07 18:58
schestowitz	LOL I heard some peopel claiming the photos were of dolls	Sep 07 18:58
schestowitz	and that the plane parts didn't have real bodies amid them...	Sep 07 18:59
schestowitz	yes, they said it looked like inflatable dolls	Sep 07 18:59
msb__	Google ukrainian refugees russia 700,000 refugees from Ukraine have entered Russia after the US/Nazi coup.	Sep 07 19:02
MinceR	http://i.imgur.com/hvkytgB.jpg	Sep 07 19:06
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schestowitz	>>> If LP had wished to be non-disruptive, he would have demonstrated	Sep 07 19:47
schestowitz	>>> >> systemd in a separate testbed distro, something which has been pointed	Sep 07 19:47
schestowitz	>>> >> out to him for years. An example would be much like what NextBSD is	Sep 07 19:47
schestowitz	>>> >> doing with other technology:	Sep 07 19:47
schestowitz	>>> >>	Sep 07 19:48
schestowitz	>>> >> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/NextBSD	Sep 07 19:48
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-en.wikipedia.org \| NextBSD - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia		Sep 07 19:48
schestowitz	>>> >>	Sep 07 19:48
schestowitz	>>> >> But because he has chosen to force distros into systemd and the nasty	Sep 07 19:48
schestowitz	>>> >> tactics he and his (self-described) cabal employ, I can only say that it	Sep 07 19:48
schestowitz	>>> >> looks like disruption of both community and technology is one of the	Sep 07 19:48
schestowitz	>>> >> intended consequences.	Sep 07 19:48
schestowitz	>> > Working for Red Hat and the company's partners helps.	Sep 07 19:48
schestowitz	>> >	Sep 07 19:48
schestowitz	>> >	Sep 07 19:48
schestowitz	> Yeah, Red Hat in some ways has a lot to gain from weakening Debian and	Sep 07 19:48
schestowitz	> its community. However, overall I think it loses out by hurting them.	Sep 07 19:48
schestowitz	> They would do better to work together instead, they have M$ and, to a	Sep 07 19:48
schestowitz	> certain extent, Oracle to fight.	Sep 07 19:48
MinceR	i thought fedora _was_ a separate testbed distro	Sep 07 19:48
schestowitz	http://lxer.com/module/forums/t/35967/	Sep 07 19:53
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-lxer.com \| LXer: Microsoft vs. Open Source: Is Office 365 really cheaper than going open source?		Sep 07 19:53
schestowitz	"	Sep 07 19:53
schestowitz	> TCO studies about Microsoft vs. Open Source products always seem to assume that Windows knowledge is god-given.	Sep 07 19:53
schestowitz	You mean you don't find the MS ribbon interface to be a natural extension of the mind? ;-)	Sep 07 19:53
schestowitz	"	Sep 07 19:53
schestowitz	"	Sep 07 19:54
schestowitz	The typical Microsoft TCO argument only substantiates two things:	Sep 07 19:54
schestowitz	1. It is possible to manipulate statistics to "prove" any point, however weak.	Sep 07 19:54
schestowitz	2. Anyone buying into such weak arguments deserves to be labeled weak-minded and incapable of critical independent thinking.	Sep 07 19:54
schestowitz	"	Sep 07 19:54
MinceR	they also deserve to use the ribbon	Sep 07 19:59
schestowitz	I saw it a few time	Sep 07 20:02
schestowitz	weird UI	Sep 07 20:02
schestowitz	takes ages to get to the buttons you need	Sep 07 20:02
schestowitz	it just looks more 'advanced' with tabs	Sep 07 20:03
schestowitz	but practically, if you use just a few buttons many times, why not make it possible to customise your menu	Sep 07 20:03
schestowitz	like in mozilla firefox, thunderbird, kate, etc.	Sep 07 20:03
schestowitz	even lyx	Sep 07 20:03
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MinceR	it combines the disadvantages of the menu bar with the disadvantages of the toolbar	Sep 07 20:09
MinceR	and the advantages of neither	Sep 07 20:09
MinceR	and it breaks the title bar	Sep 07 20:09
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Real Linux Coming to Tablets	Sep 07 20:10
TweetTuxMachines	http://t.co/pDGGWbqqoa (www.tuxmachines.org)	Sep 07 20:10
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org \| QEMU Maintainers on the 2.4 Release \| Tux Machines		Sep 07 20:11
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Porting Guix and GuixSD http://t.co/NMXo4ZQavp	Sep 07 20:11
TweetTuxMachines	(www.tuxmachines.org)	Sep 07 20:11
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MinceR	i'm pretty sure my android tablet runs "real linux"	Sep 07 20:11
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schestowitz	https://twitter.com/CandidCanon/status/640959753393324032 https://twitter.com/IAM_magazine/status/640962638747271168	Sep 07 21:19
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@CandidCanon: Well said: "but people don’t create patents, people create something and can then apply for a monopoly on it" @schestowitz @IAM_magazine		Sep 07 21:19
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@IAM_magazine: @CandidCanon @schestowitz All patents convey a monopoly? That's a new one. Aren't they actually a right - not an obligation - to exclude?		Sep 07 21:19
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Munich now a major contributor to open source	Sep 07 21:21
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org \| Munich now a major contributor to open source \| Tux Machines		Sep 07 21:21
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Nvidia Releases Updated Linux Drivers for the	Sep 07 21:21
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msb__	Here's the major article showing the MH17 metal panel with bullet holes from both sides, thus from the two Ukraine-Nazi jet fighters that were seen with the airliner. Download the indicated pdf and expand it to see the holes clearly. http://www.anderweltonline.com/wissenschaft-und-technik/luftfahrt-2014/shocking-analysis-of-the-shooting-down-of-malaysian-mh17/	Sep 07 21:52
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.anderweltonline.com \| AnderweltOnline: Shocking Analysis of the ‘Shooting Down’ of Malaysian MH17 [ http://ur1.ca/jzepx ]		Sep 07 21:52
schestowitz	https://twitter.com/CandidCanon/status/640992317495599104	Sep 07 21:59
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@CandidCanon: @IAM_magazine @schestowitz Monopoly: "the exclusive possession or control of the supply or trade in a commodity or service."		Sep 07 21:59
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schestowitz	http://www.kubuntu.org/news/kde-applications-15041-available-kubuntu-1504	Sep 07 22:11
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.kubuntu.org \| KDE Applications 15.04.1 Available for Kubuntu 15.04 \| Kubuntu [ http://ur1.ca/npfnw ]		Sep 07 22:11
schestowitz	still no kde 5.4	Sep 07 22:11
schestowitz	only for alpha version	Sep 07 22:11
schestowitz	http://linux.softpedia.com/blog/Kubuntu-15-10-Will-Include-the-KDE-Plasma-5-4-Desktop-Environment-479860.shtml http://news.softpedia.com/news/kde-plasma-5-4-lands-in-kubuntu-15-10-wily-werewolf-491021.shtml	Sep 07 22:11
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-linux.softpedia.com \| Kubuntu 15.10 Will Include the KDE Plasma 5.4 Desktop Environment - Softpedia [ http://ur1.ca/npfo2 ]		Sep 07 22:11
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-news.softpedia.com \| KDE Plasma 5.4 Lands in Kubuntu 15.10 (Wily Werewolf) - Softpedia [ http://ur1.ca/npfo3 ]		Sep 07 22:11
schestowitz	kde 5.4 for kubuntu 15.04	Sep 07 22:14
schestowitz	http://ubuntuhandbook.org/index.php/2015/08/install-kde-plasma-plasma-5-4/ http://askubuntu.com/questions/666175/how-to-install-plasma-5-4-on-kubuntu	Sep 07 22:15
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-ubuntuhandbook.org \| How to Install KDE Plasma 5.4 in (K)Ubuntu 15.04 \| UbuntuHandbook [ http://ur1.ca/npfpj ]		Sep 07 22:15
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-askubuntu.com \| How to install Plasma 5.4 on Kubuntu - Ask Ubuntu [ http://ur1.ca/npfpk ]		Sep 07 22:15
schestowitz	possibly flaky repo	Sep 07 22:15
schestowitz	the latter links to the first	Sep 07 22:16
schestowitz	Frm some blogger "Ji m"	Sep 07 22:16
schestowitz	Maybe some Chinese repo, can't trust it...	Sep 07 22:16
MinceR	of course it's flaky, it's kde5, for ubuntu :>	Sep 07 22:18
schestowitz	https://twitter.com/CandidCanon/status/640992359417708544 https://twitter.com/IAM_magazine/status/640997124734369796	Sep 07 22:22
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@CandidCanon: @IAM_magazine @schestowitz Kind of fits patents, no?		Sep 07 22:22
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@IAM_magazine: @CandidCanon @schestowitz No, the vast majority of patents have no value and do nothing.		Sep 07 22:22
schestowitz	LOL	Sep 07 22:22
schestowitz	What nonsense from patent lawyers	Sep 07 22:22
schestowitz	if they have no value, why get them?	Sep 07 22:22
schestowitz	And if they have value, then they're monopolies	Sep 07 22:23
schestowitz	and that's where they derive their 'value' from	Sep 07 22:23
schestowitz	MinceR: I might just wait for the next major release	Sep 07 22:23
schestowitz	like Kubuntu 15.10	Sep 07 22:23
schestowitz	might also be more stable	Sep 07 22:23
MinceR	i don't think it will get any better	Sep 07 22:23
schestowitz	with overall changed in and out, this systemd and plasma nonsense makes Kubuntu look like crap	Sep 07 22:24
schestowitz	maybe I'll move to devuan when it's ready	Sep 07 22:24
schestowitz	then just add kde to it	Sep 07 22:24
schestowitz	kubuntu got worse, not better	Sep 07 22:24
schestowitz	I would have stayed 'behind' in 2013 if I foresaw this...	Sep 07 22:25
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Librem 13 Free Software Laptop Nears Funding	Sep 07 22:34
TweetTuxMachines	Goals, After Self-Funding	Sep 07 22:34
TweetTuxMachines	http://t.co/t2wdCThVMk (www.tuxmachines.org)	Sep 07 22:34
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/npfxo	Sep 07 22:34
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org \| Librem 13 Free Software Laptop Nears Funding Goals, After Self-Funding \| Tux Machines		Sep 07 22:34
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines The Solus OS Fundraiser Deemed a Success,	Sep 07 22:34
TweetTuxMachines	Project Still Needs Your Help	Sep 07 22:34
TweetTuxMachines	http://t.co/6fdON3C64r (www.tuxmachines.org)	Sep 07 22:34
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/npfxr	Sep 07 22:34
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org \| The Solus OS Fundraiser Deemed a Success, Project Still Needs Your Help \| Tux Machines		Sep 07 22:34
cubexyz	well at least systemd have one positive effect	Sep 07 22:35
cubexyz	it motivated me to check out other distros	Sep 07 22:36
cubexyz	s/have/had/	Sep 07 22:36
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cubexyz	http://www.gabordemooij.com/escape_from_systemd	Sep 07 22:37
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.gabordemooij.com \| Escape from systemd [ http://ur1.ca/jv1fk ]		Sep 07 22:37
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Avnet and Red Hat to bring open source tech to	Sep 07 22:41
TweetTuxMachines	Netherlands http://t.co/NBEAYZiq4d	Sep 07 22:41
TweetTuxMachines	(www.tuxmachines.org)	Sep 07 22:41
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/npg0t	Sep 07 22:41
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org \| Avnet and Red Hat to bring open source tech to Netherlands \| Tux Machines		Sep 07 22:41
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines List Of 10 Funny Linux Commands	Sep 07 22:41
TweetTuxMachines	http://t.co/bSqJb7OppH (www.tuxmachines.org)	Sep 07 22:41
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/npg0u	Sep 07 22:41
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org \| List Of 10 Funny Linux Commands \| Tux Machines		Sep 07 22:41
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Canonical Shows X Apps Running Under Mir and	Sep 07 22:41
TweetTuxMachines	Unity 8 - Video http://t.co/AKwnVp8kIM	Sep 07 22:41
TweetTuxMachines	(www.tuxmachines.org)	Sep 07 22:41
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org \| Canonical Shows X Apps Running Under Mir and Unity 8 - Video \| Tux Machines		Sep 07 22:41
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cubexyz	I'm going to try an experiment	Sep 07 22:42
cubexyz	running TDE programs using ssh with X11 forwarding and compression	Sep 07 22:43
*TweetTuxMachines @RamiSilawi retweeted @tuxmachines: 'List Of 10 Funny Linux Commands http://t.co/bSqJb7OppH'		Sep 07 22:43
*TweetTuxMachines @zexy71 favourited 'List Of 10 Funny Linux Commands http://t.co/bSqJb7OppH'		Sep 07 22:43
cubexyz	basically run TDE from older computers	Sep 07 22:43
cubexyz	seems viable	Sep 07 22:55
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msb_	Damn! I'm getting "Lag Unknown" on all channels, despite having killed and restarted konversation. Previously, IRC has been very reliable for me.	Sep 07 23:20
MinceR	could be a client issue	Sep 07 23:22
cubexyz	give xchat a try	Sep 07 23:42
cubexyz	maybe check your traffic too, just in case someone is attacking you	Sep 07 23:43
MinceR	xchat is dead and nonfree	Sep 07 23:43
cubexyz	I don't see how it's nonfree	Sep 07 23:46
cubexyz	it's gpl under Linux and BSD	Sep 07 23:46
MinceR	the most recent release was only released for winblows, as shareware	Sep 07 23:48
MinceR	in violation of the GPL, of course	Sep 07 23:48
cubexyz	the IRC protocol hasn't changed much in a long time	Sep 07 23:49
XRevan86	MinceR: Happy thing it's dead.	Sep 07 23:49
XRevan86	and yet alive as hexchat	Sep 07 23:49
MinceR	indeed	Sep 07 23:49
cubexyz	so one could run an older xchat without any problems	Sep 07 23:49
MinceR	among gui clients i prefer kvirc anyway	Sep 07 23:50
MinceR	and if the gui is not a requirement, then weechat or irssi	Sep 07 23:50
XRevan86	cubexyz: But hexchat is the name you should be using.	Sep 07 23:50
XRevan86	It's like "hey, everybody go for OpenOffice.org"	Sep 07 23:50
msb_	I've been using this version of konversation for years. No way it could have changed. My traffic is zilch, at least on this side of my router, which has a firewall.	Sep 07 23:51
MinceR	i see	Sep 07 23:51
MinceR	something can change on the ircd side that would break lag detection though	Sep 07 23:52
MinceR	or connection issues	Sep 07 23:52
cubexyz	does anyone know if it's possible to run ssh forwarded X11 in grayscale?	Sep 07 23:52
cubexyz	trying to figure out a way to speed it up	Sep 07 23:52
MinceR	dunno, but if x can do it, i don't see why not	Sep 07 23:52
MinceR	x can certainly do monochrome	Sep 07 23:52
cubexyz	I bet that hasn't been tested in a long time	Sep 07 23:53
MinceR	:>	Sep 07 23:53
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cubexyz	xdpyinfo says depth 1 is supported but...	Sep 07 23:53
MinceR	(whether current x clients can cope with it is another matter...)	Sep 07 23:54
cubexyz	I get:	Sep 07 23:54
msb_	I suspect my ISP Comcast. In the last week I've had at least a dozen disconnections, lasting up to 30 minutes. They seem to have fixed that, but now there's this problem.	Sep 07 23:54
cubexyz	Fatal server error:	Sep 07 23:54
cubexyz	Unable to find desired default visual	Sep 07 23:54
cubexyz	what does it normally use, depth 24?	Sep 07 23:55
cubexyz	then depth 8 would be faster	Sep 07 23:55
cubexyz	the stupid server only supports 24 bpp it seems	Sep 07 23:56
cubexyz	but xdpyinfo says not	Sep 07 23:56
cubexyz	the video driver doesn't support depth 8	Sep 08 00:11
cubexyz	that figures	Sep 08 00:11
cubexyz	MinceR, could you even imagine firefox running in monochrome mode?	Sep 08 00:13
MinceR	i could imagine it	Sep 08 00:14
MinceR	but i doubt it supports that	Sep 08 00:14
cubexyz	depth 16 works	Sep 08 00:18
cubexyz	I can't really tell if it's any faster	Sep 08 00:18
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msb_	Lots of good MH17 info in this video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YFlGLqiDogA	Sep 08 01:01
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.youtube.com \| Flight MH17 False Flag Conspiracy FULLY EXPOSED! Complete Compilation Of ALL The Evidence! - BUSTED! - YouTube [ http://ur1.ca/nphmm ]		Sep 08 01:02
MinceR	yet another loose change?	Sep 08 01:03
msb_	That flight was diverted into the war zone. An air traffic controller saw Ukrainian air force jet fighters up there with it and tweeted about it and was interviewed.	Sep 08 01:05
__martin__	gn folks	Sep 08 01:05
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msb_	MinceR: The 911 videos linked here have much more information than the early "loose change" video: http://cosmicpenguin.com/#911	Sep 08 01:09
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-cosmicpenguin.com \| Human Society That Works For Everyone		Sep 08 01:09
MinceR	because the only problem with loose change was that it was early, right?	Sep 08 01:11
msb_	I don't even remember anything about it. But the ones here are very good: http://cosmicpenguin.com/#911	Sep 08 01:12
msb_	MinceR: But what you seem to be implying is correct. 911 was a false-flag operation designed to justify the US destruction of many middle-east nations, and the MH17 shootdown was a false-flag operation designed to justify US economic (and maybe other) attacks against Russia.	Sep 08 01:14
msb_	Various people on the ground also saw the jet fighters approaching MH17, and were interviewed about it. The sightings of the fighters, the holes in the metal from both directions, the diversion of the flight into the war zone, all prove that the Nazi-Ukrainians shot down MH17. Then Obama and the US govt/corporate controlled news all made a big storm about it being done by Russia or the people it's supporting.	Sep 08 01:19
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines List Of 10 Funny Linux Commands	Sep 08 01:26
TweetTuxMachines	retweeted by http://t.co/bSqJb7OppH (www.tuxmachines.org)	Sep 08 01:26
TweetTuxMachines	@zexy71	Sep 08 01:26
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org \| List Of 10 Funny Linux Commands \| Tux Machines		Sep 08 01:26
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/nphxg	Sep 08 01:26
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Real Linux Coming to Tablets	Sep 08 01:30
TweetTuxMachines	http://t.co/M4EQrgeVPX (fossforce.com)	Sep 08 01:30
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/nphz7	Sep 08 01:30
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-fossforce.com \| Real Linux Coming to Tablets \| FOSS Force		Sep 08 01:30
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Munich now a major contributor to open source	Sep 08 01:30
TweetTuxMachines	https://t.co/2xTvCRI7P9 (joinup.ec.europa.eu)	Sep 08 01:30
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/nphz8	Sep 08 01:30
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-joinup.ec.europa.eu \| Munich now a major contributor to open source \| Joinup		Sep 08 01:30
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Nvidia Releases Updated Linux Drivers for the	Sep 08 01:30
TweetTuxMachines	Old GeForce 8 and 9 Series	Sep 08 01:30
TweetTuxMachines	http://t.co/pWFFHDTt9W (news.softpedia.com)	Sep 08 01:30
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-news.softpedia.com \| Nvidia Releases Updated Linux Drivers for the Old GeForce 8 and 9 Series - Softpedia		Sep 08 01:30
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines OpenELEC 6.0 Beta 5 Now Uses Linux Kernel 4.1	Sep 08 01:35
TweetTuxMachines	and Latest Nvidia Drivers	Sep 08 01:35
TweetTuxMachines	http://t.co/wQzXcj1iSn (news.softpedia.com)	Sep 08 01:35
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/npi1p	Sep 08 01:35
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-news.softpedia.com \| OpenELEC 6.0 Beta 5 Now Uses Linux Kernel 4.1 and Latest Nvidia Drivers - Softpedia		Sep 08 01:35
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Librem 13 Free Software Laptop Nears Funding	Sep 08 01:35
TweetTuxMachines	Goals, After Self-Funding	Sep 08 01:35
TweetTuxMachines	http://t.co/pkYGGbM30u (www.phoronix.com)	Sep 08 01:35
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/npi1q	Sep 08 01:35
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.phoronix.com \| Librem 13 Free Software Laptop Nears Funding Goals, After Self-Funding - Phoronix		Sep 08 01:35
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines The Solus OS Fundraiser Deemed a Success,	Sep 08 01:35
TweetTuxMachines	Project Still Needs Your Help	Sep 08 01:35
TweetTuxMachines	http://t.co/EoTscDNqah (linux.softpedia.com)	Sep 08 01:35
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-linux.softpedia.com \| The Solus OS Fundraiser Deemed a Success, Project Still Needs Your Help - Softpedia		Sep 08 01:35
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/npi1r	Sep 08 01:35
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Avnet and Red Hat to bring open source tech to	Sep 08 01:58
TweetTuxMachines	Netherlands http://t.co/ha2WwMvLTz	Sep 08 01:58
TweetTuxMachines	(www.channelnomics.eu)	Sep 08 01:58
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/npicj	Sep 08 01:58
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.channelnomics.eu \| Avnet and Red Hat to bring open source tech to Netherlands - from Channelnomics.eu		Sep 08 01:58
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines List Of 10 Funny Linux Commands	Sep 08 01:58
TweetTuxMachines	http://t.co/8FT8ixtzDa (www.unixmen.com)	Sep 08 01:58
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/npick	Sep 08 01:58
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.unixmen.com \| List Of 10 Funny Linux Commands \| Unixmen		Sep 08 01:58
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Canonical Shows X Apps Running Under Mir and	Sep 08 01:58
TweetTuxMachines	Unity 8 - Video http://t.co/qh00Q6dHbT	Sep 08 01:58
TweetTuxMachines	(linux.softpedia.com)	Sep 08 01:58
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-linux.softpedia.com \| Canonical Shows X Apps Running Under Mir and Unity 8 - Video - Softpedia		Sep 08 01:58
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/npicl	Sep 08 01:58
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Red Hat Receives Consensus Recommendation of	Sep 08 01:58
TweetTuxMachines	“Buy” from Brokerages (NYSE:RHT)	Sep 08 01:58
TweetTuxMachines	http://t.co/VhMHmERawt (www.watchlistnews.com)	Sep 08 01:58
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.watchlistnews.com \| Red Hat Receives Consensus Recommendation of “Buy” from Brokerages (NYSE:RHT) - Watch List News		Sep 08 01:58
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/npicm	Sep 08 01:58
msb_	4000x4000 resolution picture of metal plate with holes from both sides: http://www.theunhivedmind.com/wordpress3/wp-content/uploads/2014/07/flightmh17370giant.jpg	Sep 08 02:04
msb_	Sorry, 4418x2944	Sep 08 02:06
MinceR	http://www.stopfake.org/en/mh17-anniversary-in-russia-conspiracy-theories-on-downed-plane-still-find-believers/	Sep 08 02:08
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.stopfake.org \| MH17 anniversary: In Russia, conspiracy theories on downed plane still find believers [ http://ur1.ca/npigf ]		Sep 08 02:08
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MinceR	http://www.stopfake.org/en/su-25-mh17-and-the-problems-with-keeping-a-story-straight/	Sep 08 02:14
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.stopfake.org \| SU-25, MH17 and the Problems with Keeping a Story Straight [ http://ur1.ca/npijd ]		Sep 08 02:14
msb_	MinceR: That article uses the word "conspiracy" or "conspiracy theory" eight times, but it does not even mention the holes from both sides and the diversion of the plane into the war zone. It dismisses the ground observers and the air traffic controller who saw the Ukrainian jet fighters near the airliner as "hoaxes", even though both were interviewed!	Sep 08 02:14
MinceR	well, if someone was interviewed, they surely told the truth and it's not possible for them to be wrong	Sep 08 02:14
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msb_	That site gets part of its funding from the "National Endowment for Democracy" Here's the story on them: http://www.thirdworldtraveler.com/Blum/TrojanHorse_RS.html	Sep 08 02:18
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.thirdworldtraveler.com \| Trojan Horse: The National Endowment for Democracy [ http://ur1.ca/npikx ]		Sep 08 02:18
msb_	MinceR: Why do you keep citing these CIA-based websites? Where do you get them from?	Sep 08 02:19
MinceR	https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/RT_%28TV_network%29	Sep 08 02:20
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-en.wikipedia.org \| RT (TV network) - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia [ http://ur1.ca/npilg ]		Sep 08 02:20
MinceR	>Russian state-funded	Sep 08 02:20
msb_	But the question is -- who is telling the truth?	Sep 08 02:20
MinceR	http://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Globalresearch.ca	Sep 08 02:21
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-rationalwiki.org \| Globalresearch.ca - RationalWiki [ http://ur1.ca/jze6b ]		Sep 08 02:21
MinceR	indeed, who is telling the truth?	Sep 08 02:22
MinceR	http://www.politico.eu/article/russias-information-warfare/	Sep 08 02:22
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.politico.eu \| Russia’s information warfare – POLITICO [ http://ur1.ca/npim7 ]		Sep 08 02:22
msb_	Everything in here is anti-Russia: http://www.stopfake.org/en/category/opinions/	Sep 08 02:23
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.stopfake.org \| Opinions [ http://ur1.ca/npiml ]		Sep 08 02:23
MinceR	reality apparently has an anti-russian bias	Sep 08 02:24
MinceR	in addition to its liberal bias	Sep 08 02:24
MinceR	how inconvenient to putin's shills...	Sep 08 02:24
msb_	The politico article screams that RT lies but provides NO examples!	Sep 08 02:25
msb_	MinceR: Again I ask you: Where do you get these US government based sites? Are they paying you, as you accused me?	Sep 08 02:26
MinceR	what makes you think these sites are "US government based"?	Sep 08 02:26
msb_	Stop-fake is funded by the NED which is the US govt.	Sep 08 02:27
msb_	MinceR: If you claim that RT is lying, please tell us some of its lies.	Sep 08 02:28
MinceR	i'm sure you're well aware of its lies	Sep 08 02:28
msb_	No, I haven't noticed any. Please tell us.	Sep 08 02:29
MinceR	the NED is one of the funders of stop-fake. what about the others?	Sep 08 02:29
MinceR	what about the other sites?	Sep 08 02:29
msb_	Why does stop-fake have no articles about the Nazi Maidan coup?	Sep 08 02:30
MinceR	actually, you've already linked a lie from RT in the last 24 hours	Sep 08 02:30
MinceR	191459 -TechrightsBot-tr:#techrights- www.rt.com \| ‘Ukraine situation depends on its people’s patience, not on Russia’ – Putin — RT Russian politics [	Sep 08 02:30
MinceR	http://ur1.ca/npcty ]	Sep 08 02:30
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.rt.com \| ‘Ukraine situation depends on its people’s patience, not on Russia’ – Putin — RT Russian politics		Sep 08 02:30
msb_	What other sites? Politico? It gives no evidence to support its claims.	Sep 08 02:30
MinceR	what evidence does RT or global"research" present?	Sep 08 02:31
msb_	MinceR: How is that a lie?	Sep 08 02:31
MinceR	ukraine is primarily threatened by russia; part of ukraine is under military occupation by russia	Sep 08 02:31
MinceR	they're clearly outgunned	Sep 08 02:31
MinceR	that's not a matter of "patience", that's a matter of russian aggression.	Sep 08 02:32
msb_	According to you. But the Nazi coup was done by the US with 5 BILLION dollars and two Nazi organizations.	Sep 08 02:32
msb_	Before that, everything was peaceful between Ukraine and Russia.	Sep 08 02:32
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines How to Install and run Kali Linux on any	Sep 08 09:45
TweetTuxMachines	Android Smartphone http://t.co/xyoMouDNs7	Sep 08 09:45
TweetTuxMachines	(www.tuxmachines.org)	Sep 08 09:45
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/npnff	Sep 08 09:45
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org \| How to Install and run Kali Linux on any Android Smartphone \| Tux Machines		Sep 08 09:45
*TweetTuxMachines @begebogumez favourited 'Erle-Spider, an Ubuntu-based drone with six legs, launches...'		Sep 08 09:45
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines "Chromebooks have been burning up the sales	Sep 08 09:57
TweetTuxMachines	charts at Amazon," http://t.co/0V799ceLsM	Sep 08 09:57
TweetTuxMachines	(www.itworld.com)	Sep 08 09:57
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/npnjt	Sep 08 09:57
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.itworld.com \| Chromebooks: Asus Flip or Acer 11.6 for Linux? \| ITworld		Sep 08 09:57
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Latest Manjaro Linux Update Brings Linux Kernel	Sep 08 09:57
TweetTuxMachines	4.2, MATE 1.10, and Nvidia 355.11	Sep 08 09:57
TweetTuxMachines	http://t.co/sVFmbpYYti (news.softpedia.com)	Sep 08 09:57
TweetTuxMachines	http://t.co/yd3RXXKmQB (news.softpedia.com)	Sep 08 09:57
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-news.softpedia.com \| Latest Manjaro Linux Update Brings Linux Kernel 4.2, MATE 1.10, and Nvidia 355.11 - Softpedia		Sep 08 09:57
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-news.softpedia.com \| Manjaro Linux's Octopi 0.8 Graphical Package Manager Is Almost Ready - Softpedia		Sep 08 09:57
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines The Eagerly Awaited Raspberry Pi Display	Sep 08 09:57
TweetTuxMachines	https://t.co/RIRf76qgFK (www.raspberrypi.org)	Sep 08 09:57
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/npnjw	Sep 08 09:57
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.raspberrypi.org \| The Eagerly Awaited Raspberry Pi Display - Raspberry Pi		Sep 08 09:57
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Gorgeous Arch Linux-Based Apricity OS Gets New	Sep 08 10:05
TweetTuxMachines	Beta with Google Chrome 45, More	Sep 08 10:05
TweetTuxMachines	http://t.co/JIsNTl0t9t (news.softpedia.com)	Sep 08 10:05
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/npnmv	Sep 08 10:05
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-news.softpedia.com \| Gorgeous Arch Linux-Based Apricity OS Gets New Beta with Google Chrome 45, More - Softpedia		Sep 08 10:05
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Linux AIO Now Offers ISO Images with the Zorin	Sep 08 10:05
TweetTuxMachines	OS's Core and Lite Editions	Sep 08 10:05
TweetTuxMachines	http://t.co/veLctMqzae (news.softpedia.com)	Sep 08 10:05
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-news.softpedia.com \| Linux AIO Now Offers ISO Images with the Zorin OS's Core and Lite Editions - Softpedia		Sep 08 10:05
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Erle-Spider, an Ubuntu-based drone with six	Sep 08 10:07
TweetTuxMachines	retweeted by legs, launches on Indiegogo	Sep 08 10:07
TweetTuxMachines	@retroDoomer http://t.co/Z6IaIMnebw (arstechnica.co.uk)	Sep 08 10:07
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-arstechnica.co.uk \| Erle-Spider, an Ubuntu-based drone with six legs, launches on Indiegogo \| Ars Technica UK		Sep 08 10:07
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Unvanquished 0.43 FPS Game Adds Map Updates,	Sep 08 10:26
TweetTuxMachines	Fixes the "Red Screen" Bug	Sep 08 10:26
TweetTuxMachines	http://t.co/XY1hHArArr (news.softpedia.com)	Sep 08 10:26
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines The Intel Changes For Linux 4.3	Sep 08 10:26
TweetTuxMachines	http://t.co/3wTtZn2qlO (www.phoronix.com)	Sep 08 10:26
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.phoronix.com \| The Intel Changes For Linux 4.3 - Phoronix		Sep 08 10:26
cubexyz	it's an interestin thing...	Sep 08 10:26
cubexyz	as people have tried to make computers easier to use there's another effect that happens	Sep 08 10:27
cubexyz	the users get dumber	Sep 08 10:27
*TweetTuxMachines @techmuser favourited 'The Intel Changes For Linux 4.3 http://t.co/3wTtZn2qlO'		Sep 08 10:30
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Intel and Linux http://t.co/YTouVgV0lS	Sep 08 10:31
TweetTuxMachines	(www.phoronix.com) http://t.co/SiYlVnbG7l	Sep 08 10:31
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.phoronix.com \| Intel's 3.0 X.Org Driver Has Now Been In Development For Two Years - Phoronix		Sep 08 10:31
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Company of Heroes 2 DLCs Arrive from Feral	Sep 08 10:31
TweetTuxMachines	Interactive http://t.co/HnOOVtUJw8	Sep 08 10:31
TweetTuxMachines	(news.softpedia.com)	Sep 08 10:31
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines elementary OS 0.3.1 Is Still Beautiful, but	Sep 08 10:40
TweetTuxMachines	It's No Longer Exciting http://t.co/zET4o06oB1	Sep 08 10:40
TweetTuxMachines	(news.softpedia.com)	Sep 08 10:40
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-news.softpedia.com \| elementary OS 0.3.1 Is Still Beautiful, but It's No Longer Exciting - Softpedia		Sep 08 10:40
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/npo0w	Sep 08 10:40
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines XFS Lands Many Fixes For The Linux 4.3 Kernel	Sep 08 10:40
TweetTuxMachines	http://t.co/xWXHQJeNau (www.phoronix.com)	Sep 08 10:40
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.phoronix.com \| XFS Lands Many Fixes For The Linux 4.3 Kernel - Phoronix		Sep 08 10:40
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Three Years Later, FBDEV Drivers Still Active	Sep 08 10:40
TweetTuxMachines	In The Linux Kernel http://t.co/iHjfdkUhbG	Sep 08 10:40
TweetTuxMachines	(www.phoronix.com)	Sep 08 10:40
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.phoronix.com \| Three Years Later, FBDEV Drivers Still Active In The Linux Kernel - Phoronix		Sep 08 10:40
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/npo0z	Sep 08 10:40
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Linux AIO Now Offers ISO Images with the Zorin	Sep 08 10:40
TweetTuxMachines	OS's Core and Lite Editions	Sep 08 10:40
TweetTuxMachines	http://t.co/QSBb3zpmzV (www.tuxmachines.org)	Sep 08 10:40
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/npo11	Sep 08 10:40
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Intel and Linux http://t.co/zOUMdyeXDL	Sep 08 10:40
TweetTuxMachines	(www.tuxmachines.org)	Sep 08 10:40
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org \| Intel and Linux \| Tux Machines		Sep 08 10:40
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/npo12	Sep 08 10:40
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines elementary OS 0.3.1 Is Still Beautiful, but	Sep 08 10:40
TweetTuxMachines	It's No Longer Exciting http://t.co/dJ9dO5RWLY	Sep 08 10:40
TweetTuxMachines	(www.tuxmachines.org)	Sep 08 10:41
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org \| elementary OS 0.3.1 Is Still Beautiful, but It's No Longer Exciting \| Tux Machines		Sep 08 10:41
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/npo15	Sep 08 10:41
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Apple's iPhone loses top spot to Android in	Sep 08 10:41
TweetTuxMachines	Australia http://t.co/f6DFpSO1Fk	Sep 08 10:41
TweetTuxMachines	(www.tuxmachines.org)	Sep 08 10:41
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org \| Apple's iPhone loses top spot to Android in Australia \| Tux Machines		Sep 08 10:41
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cubexyz	haha, this is cool	Sep 08 10:53
cubexyz	http://www.maxhost.org/other/openbsd-running-icecat-g1.png	Sep 08 10:53
cubexyz	http://www.maxhost.org/other/openbsd-running-kde.3.4.2-stuff.png	Sep 08 11:00
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines XFS Lands Many Fixes For The Linux 4.3 Kernel	Sep 08 11:28
TweetTuxMachines	http://t.co/gb5t9mfTXE (www.tuxmachines.org)	Sep 08 11:28
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/npoky	Sep 08 11:28
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org \| XFS Lands Many Fixes For The Linux 4.3 Kernel \| Tux Machines		Sep 08 11:28
*TweetTuxMachines @ApricityOS followed @tuxmachines		Sep 08 11:28
msb__	cubexyz: Looks much better with the cat!	Sep 08 11:45
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Links 8/9/2015: Peppermint 6, elementary OS	Sep 08 11:53
TweetTuxMachines	0.3.1	Sep 08 11:53
TweetTuxMachines	http://t.co/3kjfkbxREG (techrights.org)	Sep 08 11:53
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/npovl	Sep 08 11:53
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org \| Links 8/9/2015: Peppermint 6, elementary OS 0.3.1 \| Techrights		Sep 08 11:54
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Leftovers: Gaming http://t.co/8ceSsOuUVx	Sep 08 11:54
TweetTuxMachines	(www.tuxmachines.org)	Sep 08 11:54
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org \| Leftovers: Gaming \| Tux Machines		Sep 08 11:54
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/npovm	Sep 08 11:54
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines today's howtos http://t.co/8zhVug9SjA	Sep 08 11:54
TweetTuxMachines	(www.tuxmachines.org)	Sep 08 11:54
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org \| today's howtos \| Tux Machines		Sep 08 11:54
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/npovn	Sep 08 11:54
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Leftovers: Ubuntu http://t.co/yNZtCUPJDP	Sep 08 11:54
TweetTuxMachines	(www.tuxmachines.org)	Sep 08 11:54
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org \| Leftovers: Ubuntu \| Tux Machines		Sep 08 11:54
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cubexyz	a pity there's no modern firefox-g1	Sep 08 12:43
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Desktop Leftovers http://t.co/Ktvmd6ddUk	Sep 08 13:06
TweetTuxMachines	(www.tuxmachines.org)	Sep 08 13:06
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TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/npppk	Sep 08 13:06
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines today's leftovers http://t.co/UmX4Mn0a1J	Sep 08 13:06
TweetTuxMachines	(www.tuxmachines.org)	Sep 08 13:06
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TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/npppl	Sep 08 13:06
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Today in Techrights http://t.co/4lYRm1Bl6E	Sep 08 13:07
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msb__	Interesting! In this article from Radio Free Europe (i.e., the CIA) via MinceR, it says that Putin conducted an opinion survey in Crimea that found that 75% of the people wanted Crimea joined to Russia. The article says, "Gunmen were in evidence at polling stations and the atmosphere of intimidation was thick at the time" but it gives NO source for this claim, and it is well-known that the CIA lies copiously, and has done since the	Sep 08 17:10
msb__	end of WW2. So, given what can be trusted from the article, it proves that the Crimeans _did_ want to (re-)join Russia.	Sep 08 17:10
MinceR	cherry-picking	Sep 08 17:11
msb__	http://www.rferl.org/content/putin-crimea-annexation-vote-secret/26891350.html	Sep 08 17:11
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.rferl.org \| Putin Says Crimeans Were Surveyed Before Annexation Vote [ http://ur1.ca/npjb8 ]		Sep 08 17:11
MinceR	also, note the words "putin says"	Sep 08 17:11
MinceR	oh wait, to msb__ that means "the perfect truth that was revealed is as follows"	Sep 08 17:11
MinceR	putin says russia is an evil nazi empire	Sep 08 17:12
msb__	Note the words "The CIA says".	Sep 08 17:12
MinceR	http://www.economist.com/blogs/easternapproaches/2014/03/crimea-votes-secede	Sep 08 17:12
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.economist.com \| Crimea votes to secede: Ukraine's amputation \| The Economist [ http://ur1.ca/npswm ]		Sep 08 17:12
msb__	The CIA's title "Putin Says Crimeans Were Surveyed Before Annexation Vote" is a declaration against interest. If it's not true, why would the CIA mention it. And why would it quote Putin on the results of his opinion survey.	Sep 08 17:16
msb__	The very first comment to the Economist article accurately calls it "blatant one sided propaganda".	Sep 08 17:23
MinceR	which accurately describes your utterances	Sep 08 17:26
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Links 8/9/2015: Peppermint 6, elementary OS	Sep 08 17:28
TweetTuxMachines	retweeted by 0.3.1	Sep 08 17:28
TweetTuxMachines	@schestowitz http://t.co/3kjfkbxREG (techrights.org)	Sep 08 17:28
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/npsvq	Sep 08 17:28
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org \| Links 8/9/2015: Peppermint 6, elementary OS 0.3.1 \| Techrights		Sep 08 17:28
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines How Debian Is Trying to Shut Down the CIA and	Sep 08 17:28
TweetTuxMachines	Make Software Trustworthy Again	Sep 08 17:28
TweetTuxMachines	http://t.co/z2N7fYRxQX (motherboard.vice.com)	Sep 08 17:28
TweetTuxMachines	good article...	Sep 08 17:28
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-motherboard.vice.com \| How Debian Is Trying to Shut Down the CIA and Make Software Trustworthy Again \| Motherboard		Sep 08 17:28
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/npt3g	Sep 08 17:28
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Amazon said to be readying $50 6-inch tablet	Sep 08 17:28
TweetTuxMachines	for holidays http://t.co/flQTdyS5Oo	Sep 08 17:28
TweetTuxMachines	(www.cnet.com)	Sep 08 17:28
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.cnet.com \| Amazon said to be readying $50 6-inch tablet for holidays - CNET		Sep 08 17:28
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/npt3h	Sep 08 17:28
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Today in Techrights http://t.co/pJBG3VEH5U	Sep 08 17:30
TweetTuxMachines	retweeted by (www.tuxmachines.org)	Sep 08 17:30
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org \| Today in Techrights \| Tux Machines		Sep 08 17:30
TweetTuxMachines	@schestowitz	Sep 08 17:30
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/npt4a	Sep 08 17:30
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msb__	schestowitz: That article on reproducible compilation _is_ excellent. But unless Debian gets rid of systemd there's still the chance of a subtle backdoor being hidden in the source code, to be triggered by a stack overflow, etc.	Sep 08 17:36
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MinceR	180503 < MinceR> yeah, right	Sep 08 17:37
MinceR	180524 < MinceR> the distro that gave up all its principles to force systemd on its users cares about trustworthy software	Sep 08 17:37
schestowitz	>>> http://www.i-programmer.info/news/99-professional/8963-steve-wozniak-on-education-engineering-a-apple.html	Sep 08 17:37
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.i-programmer.info \| Steve Wozniak On Education, Engineering & Apple [ http://ur1.ca/npnpn ]		Sep 08 17:37
schestowitz	>>> >>	Sep 08 17:37
schestowitz	>> > Woz doesn't talk about FOSS in education, does he?	Sep 08 17:37
schestowitz	> Not directly. He does say this:	Sep 08 17:37
schestowitz	>	Sep 08 17:37
schestowitz	>	Sep 08 17:37
schestowitz	> "Steve Jobs played no role at all in any of my designs of the Apple I	Sep 08 17:37
schestowitz	> and Apple II computer and printer interfaces and serial interfaces and	Sep 08 17:37
schestowitz	> floppy disks and stuff that I made to enhance the computers. "	Sep 08 17:37
schestowitz	> ...	Sep 08 17:37
schestowitz	> "The Apple II computer, by the way, was the only successful product	Sep 08 17:37
schestowitz	> Apple had for its first 10 years, and it was all done, for my own	Sep 08 17:37
schestowitz	> reasons for myself, before Steve Jobs even knew it existed."	Sep 08 17:37
schestowitz	>	Sep 08 17:37
schestowitz	>	Sep 08 17:37
schestowitz	> And then it must be recalled separately that the Apple ][ came with both	Sep 08 17:37
schestowitz	> printed source code and full hardware schematics for the system. So it	Sep 08 17:37
schestowitz	> was both FOSS in that respect.	Sep 08 17:37
schestowitz	>	Sep 08 17:37
schestowitz	> Anecdotes: I rewrote part of the monitor ROM once and then got a friend	Sep 08 17:37
schestowitz	> of a friend to burn it to an (E)EPROM suitable for use. Others modded	Sep 08 17:37
schestowitz	> the keyboard. Several made their own peripherals. I made a pair of	Sep 08 17:37
schestowitz	> game joysticks by following someone else's instructions. A friend did	Sep 08 17:37
schestowitz	> the same and used it with some text editor that used it as what he	Sep 08 17:37
schestowitz	> called a "mouse", a new concept then.	Sep 08 17:37
schestowitz	>	Sep 08 17:37
schestowitz	> Even some games of the day came with source code. Read the splash	Sep 08 17:37
schestowitz	> screen for Eamon:	Sep 08 17:37
MericanShards	No pastebin use here?	Sep 08 17:37
schestowitz	>	Sep 08 17:37
schestowitz	> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eamon_%28video_game%29	Sep 08 17:37
schestowitz	>	Sep 08 17:37
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-en.wikipedia.org \| Eamon (video game) - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia [ http://ur1.ca/npt7p ]		Sep 08 17:37
schestowitz	> "Non-commercial distribution welcomed"	Sep 08 17:37
MericanShards	"Noncommercial distribution without a license welcomed..."	Sep 08 17:38
schestowitz	yeah	Sep 08 17:39
schestowitz	but that's not Apple	Sep 08 17:39
schestowitz	it's a friend recalling what Apple used to be and other companies used to allow	Sep 08 17:39
schestowitz	before MS and Apple (among others) made proprietary and secret the norm	Sep 08 17:39
MericanShards	I'm fine with proprietary software, as long as it has to compete fairly with open source. Proprietary games are often excellent software products, and open source games often make me want to cry.	Sep 08 17:42
MericanShards	However, both Autocad and BRL-Cad are excellent, though one is markedly more difficult to use.	Sep 08 17:43
MinceR	have you tried xonotic?	Sep 08 17:43
MericanShards	I prefer OpenArena, though I really do need to implement 'cookie crumbs' and 'cookie crumb following bots'	Sep 08 17:43
MinceR	:>	Sep 08 17:44
MericanShards	I'm looking up Xonotic	Sep 08 17:44
msb__	The Apple ][ was very impressive, especially the extremely simple NTSC color encoding circuit that Woz invented. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Steve_Wozniak https://www.macstories.net/news/woz-putting-color-in-the-computer-was-one-of-the-biggest-things-apple-ever-did/	Sep 08 17:44
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-en.wikipedia.org \| Steve Wozniak - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia [ http://ur1.ca/nptaj ]		Sep 08 17:44
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.macstories.net \| Woz: Putting Color In The Computer Was One Of The Biggest Things Apple Ever Did – MacStories [ http://ur1.ca/nptak ]		Sep 08 17:44
MericanShards	Not really interested in Xonotic, I can get plenty of good FPS-es for reasonable or cheap. One of the commercial freemium games for android was pretty fun.	Sep 08 17:45
MericanShards	(I dislike paying, but the clearance bin doesn't hurt that much, and I like plots... better writers).	Sep 08 17:45
MericanShards	Though, if someone would finish this game engine, I WOULD KILL TO GET A GAME MADE WITH IT. https://github.com/xoyojank/nebula3	Sep 08 17:46
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-github.com \| xoyojank/nebula3 · GitHub		Sep 08 17:46
MericanShards	The fact of the matter is that Games(and game engines) are outdated so quickly and require such a level of expertise that it's hard for open source to compete.	Sep 08 17:47
MericanShards	*opinion	Sep 08 17:48
MericanShards	Anyway, I joined this channel over software patents and the recent ruling. I'm glad, but I really don't feel free enough to actually code yet, the impending 'legion of doom' terrifies me into only coding simple things, when I have much grander ideas.	Sep 08 17:49
msb__	RT has many non-Russian journalists highly respected in the US and the world, with their own shows: Max Keiser (with guest Gerald Celente), Larry King, Jesse Ventura, Tyrel Ventura.	Sep 08 18:06
schestowitz	[02:25] <msb_> The politico article screams that RT lies but provides NO examples!	Sep 08 18:22
schestowitz	Just caught up with this whole conversation	Sep 08 18:23
schestowitz	with msb__ still pushing the "9/11" lunacy	Sep 08 18:23
schestowitz	and then adding the latest spice from Ukraine	Sep 08 18:23
schestowitz	Citing some of the MOST RIDICULOUS flavours	Sep 08 18:23
schestowitz	like the "CIA did it"	Sep 08 18:23
schestowitz	Or "jets did it'	Sep 08 18:23
schestowitz	Rather than say, separatists rather than Russians did it	Sep 08 18:23
schestowitz	or some sane 9/11 debate over whether it could be prevented	Sep 08 18:23
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schestowitz	and whether there was a deliberate (as some claim) oversight, negligence, etc.	Sep 08 18:24
schestowitz	So in that sense, msb__ helps the CIA propaganda	Sep 08 18:24
schestowitz	Because he won't cite moderate voices, only those serving to distract from them, like the "truther" and "controlled demolition" crow	Sep 08 18:25
msb__	schestowitz: These videos prove that the WTC was blown up with explosives. But so far you refuse to view them. http://cosmicpenguin.com/#911	Sep 08 18:25
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-cosmicpenguin.com \| Human Society That Works For Everyone		Sep 08 18:25
schestowitz	there you go reinforcing what I said	Sep 08 18:27
msb__	As to MH17, here's the evidence that it was shot down by jet fighter planes: http://www.anderweltonline.com/wissenschaft-und-technik/luftfahrt-2014/shocking-analysis-of-the-shooting-down-of-malaysian-mh17/	Sep 08 18:27
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.anderweltonline.com \| AnderweltOnline: Shocking Analysis of the ‘Shooting Down’ of Malaysian MH17 [ http://ur1.ca/jzepx ]		Sep 08 18:27
msb__	http://www.theunhivedmind.com/wordpress3/wp-content/uploads/2014/07/flightmh17370giant.jpg	Sep 08 18:27
msb__	https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YFlGLqiDogA	Sep 08 18:28
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.youtube.com \| Flight MH17 False Flag Conspiracy FULLY EXPOSED! Complete Compilation Of ALL The Evidence! - BUSTED! - YouTube [ http://ur1.ca/nphmm ]		Sep 08 18:28
msb__	The idea that telling the actual truth "helps the CIA propaganda" is utter nonsense.	Sep 08 18:29
msb__	It sounds like something out of _1984_.	Sep 08 18:30
schestowitz	you discredit legitimate critics	Sep 08 18:31
msb__	The term "moderate" is ridiculous when applied to something like 911 or MH17. These things happened one way or the other. There's no middle ground.	Sep 08 18:31
schestowitz	but lumping with together with Kremlin disinfo	Sep 08 18:31
schestowitz	and making them look like Russian agents	Sep 08 18:31
msb__	They aren't ridiculous if they are _wrong_.	Sep 08 18:31
schestowitz	like those who would connect JFK assassination with alients	Sep 08 18:31
schestowitz	*aliens	Sep 08 18:31
msb__	Standard straw-man fallacy.	Sep 08 18:32
XRevan86	straw-men?	Sep 08 18:33
msb__	They aren't legitimate if they are _wrong_.	Sep 08 18:33
msb__	XRevan86: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Straw_man	Sep 08 18:34
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-en.wikipedia.org \| Straw man - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia		Sep 08 18:34
XRevan86	msb__: I see	Sep 08 18:34
msb__	It means attacking someone for a ridiculous argument (in this case JFK and aliens) that they never made.	Sep 08 18:35
msb__	schestowitz: Please read/view the 3 references I just gave for MH17. They have nothing to do with "Kremlin disinfo".	Sep 08 18:36
msb__	schestowitz: And please view the videos linked here: http://cosmicpenguin.com/#911 What are you afraid of? Watching a movie can't hurt you.	Sep 08 18:40
msb__	schestowitz: Some people are so brainwashed by Microsoft that they are afraid to even look at Linux. I don't think you want to be like that.	Sep 08 18:41
schestowitz	[17:36] <msb__> schestowitz: That article on reproducible compilation _is_ excellent. But unless Debian gets rid of systemd there's still the chance of a subtle backdoor being hidden in the source code, to be triggered by a stack overflow, etc.	Sep 08 18:44
schestowitz	Any software poses such a risk	Sep 08 18:44
schestowitz	the thing that makes systemd unique is that it's far less mature and harder to replace	Sep 08 18:44
schestowitz	so it makes it very prevalent in mnay distros	Sep 08 18:44
schestowitz	!google nsa phoronix systemd	Sep 08 18:45
TechrightsBot-tr	[1] - The NSA Is Looking At Systemd's KDBUS - Phoronix \| https://www.phoronix.com/scan.php%3Fpage%3Dnews_item%26px%3DNSA-KDBUS-Credentials	Sep 08 18:45
TechrightsBot-tr	[2] - systemd - Phoronix \| http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php%3Fpage%3Dsearch%26q%3Dsystemd	Sep 08 18:45
TechrightsBot-tr	[3] - The NSA Is Looking At Systemd's KDBUS - Phoronix Forums \| http://www.phoronix.com/forums/forum/phoronix/general-discussion/810047-the-nsa-is-looking-at-systemd-s-kdbus	Sep 08 18:45
TechrightsBot-tr	[4] - systemd Linux & Open-Source News - Phoronix \| https://www.phoronix.com/scan.php%3Fpage%3Dnews_topic%26q%3Dsystemd	Sep 08 18:45
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schestowitz	https://joindiaspora.com/posts/6568136	Sep 08 18:49
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: #Xiaomi 'Macbook Pro killer' laptop release date, specs news: Device will run on Linux http://www.mnrdaily.com/article/xiaomi.macbook.pro.killer.laptop.to.run.linux.to.be.released.in.2016/3763.htm #gnu #linux #china		Sep 08 18:49
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights--> www.mnrdaily.com \| Xiaomi 'Macbook Pro killer' laptop release date, specs news: To run Linux [ http://ur1.ca/npu2p ]		Sep 08 18:49
schestowitz	"Only second quarter of 2016?!"	Sep 08 18:49
schestowitz	Long wait...	Sep 08 18:49
msb__	schestowitz: systemd is very complex and has the possibility of subtle race conditions and other problems (as we've seen recently). I think that such problems could be built in (they may not be there now), and could allow the government to take control of Linux systems. It's a gut feeling based on the huge extent of violation of good Unix engineering practices, the unnecessarily rapid and widespread adoption, and the feeping	Sep 08 18:56
msb__	creaturism that is still ongoing.	Sep 08 18:56
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schestowitz	https://twitter.com/CandidCanon/status/641311013770526721 https://twitter.com/CandidCanon/status/641311195056762881 https://twitter.com/IAM_magazine/status/641313127766863873	Sep 08 19:13
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@CandidCanon: @IAM_magazine @schestowitz I must be in an alternate universe...how can you say that? Would you advocate removal of patents altogether then?		Sep 08 19:13
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@CandidCanon: @IAM_magazine @schestowitz Not for you anyway. I'm still not understanding what's going on here. Definitely needs a write up >140 chars...		Sep 08 19:13
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@IAM_magazine: @CandidCanon @schestowitz Nope. You don't know what patents are valuable - monetarily and/or strategically - until you have them.		Sep 08 19:13
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Viper550	wow, Microsoft is so desperate to infect the enterprise with its Surface products that it has compiled a list of companies you should no longer support under the guide of an "enterprise initutive"	Sep 08 19:32
MinceR	:>	Sep 08 19:33
Viper550	"Microsoft Expands Surface Pro Options for the Enterprise " says a blatant Microsoft booster	Sep 08 19:34
Viper550	Dell will be reselling it and offer its own enterprise services for them	Sep 08 19:40
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Today in Techrights http://t.co/pJBG3VEH5U	Sep 08 19:51
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TweetTuxMachines	@The_Code_Shirts	Sep 08 19:51
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/npusj	Sep 08 19:51
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Debian Security http://t.co/ofbFwEFntk	Sep 08 19:51
TweetTuxMachines	(www.tuxmachines.org)	Sep 08 19:51
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/npusl	Sep 08 19:51
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schestowitz	https://twitter.com/IAM_magazine/status/641313127766863873 https://twitter.com/IAM_magazine/status/641314218906664960 https://twitter.com/CandidCanon/status/641318199338926082	Sep 08 19:57
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@IAM_magazine: @CandidCanon @schestowitz FYI ... http://t.co/SmR2udkHDl		Sep 08 19:57
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights--> www.iam-media.com \| Under 1% of patents account for close to 50% of overall patent value in Europe - UPDATED - Blog - Intellectual Asset Management (IAM) - Maximising IP Value for Business		Sep 08 19:57
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@CandidCanon: @IAM_magazine @schestowitz That's the dumbest thing I've ever heard. I mean, like THE dumbest. You have to own a patent to know its worth?		Sep 08 19:57
schestowitz	https://twitter.com/IAM_magazine/status/641322622630895616	Sep 08 19:57
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@IAM_magazine: @CandidCanon @schestowitz It has to exist, yes. Sorry if that is too much for you to get your head round :-D		Sep 08 19:57
schestowitz	https://twitter.com/CandidCanon/status/641325667393634309 https://twitter.com/CandidCanon/status/641325734649307137 https://twitter.com/IAM_magazine/status/641326124019130368	Sep 08 20:07
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@CandidCanon: @IAM_magazine @schestowitz When you say "have them", you mean "until you've patented it". Not, as I thought, "until you own the patent."		Sep 08 20:07
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@CandidCanon: @IAM_magazine @schestowitz Am I closer? Does one of us need English speaking lessons? I vote you. =)		Sep 08 20:07
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@IAM_magazine: @CandidCanon @schestowitz You speak American, don't you? ;-)		Sep 08 20:07
schestowitz	https://twitter.com/CandidCanon/status/641326818356801537	Sep 08 20:08
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@CandidCanon: @IAM_magazine @schestowitz Close...Texan. Do not confuse Texans with Americans, it could be dangerous... LOL!		Sep 08 20:08
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines How I use Android: Falcon Pro and Twitter	Sep 08 20:33
TweetTuxMachines	developer Joaquim Vergès http://t.co/EU6uxbudfp	Sep 08 20:33
TweetTuxMachines	(www.tuxmachines.org)	Sep 08 20:33
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/npvar	Sep 08 20:33
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines UK government publishes ODF guidance	Sep 08 20:33
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Plasma 5.4.1 Bugfix Release for September	Sep 08 20:33
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org \| Plasma 5.4.1 Bugfix Release for September \| Tux Machines		Sep 08 20:33
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines The Moto 360 and Android Wear are coming to	Sep 08 20:33
TweetTuxMachines	China http://t.co/FbfbrQ2qCm	Sep 08 20:33
TweetTuxMachines	(www.tuxmachines.org)	Sep 08 20:33
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XRevan86	For some unknown reason Devuan doesn't have some packages Debian must have.	Sep 08 21:08
XRevan86	https://packages.debian.org/jessie/osc is not in repos	Sep 08 21:08
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-SSL connect error ( status 0 @ https://packages.debian.org/jessie/osc )		Sep 08 21:08
XRevan86	ah, no alarm, there's nothing in repos	Sep 08 21:09
XRevan86	at all	Sep 08 21:09
MinceR	not even in the merged repo?	Sep 08 21:09
XRevan86	MinceR: Exactly merged repo	Sep 08 21:10
XRevan86	it's empty	Sep 08 21:10
MinceR	maybe some issue with amprolla	Sep 08 21:10
XRevan86	MinceR: I guess.	Sep 08 21:10
MinceR	it would be better to mention it on #devuan	Sep 08 21:10
MinceR	or to file a bug	Sep 08 21:10
XRevan86	I'll wait	Sep 08 21:11
XRevan86	I doubt it's unnoticed	Sep 08 21:11
XRevan86	I at first thought they went phyco and removed some stuff from repos %).	Sep 08 21:17
XRevan86	But no, everything's in order.	Sep 08 21:17
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DaemonFC	https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hungarian_forint	Sep 08 22:03
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DaemonFC	"Forgery of forint banknotes is not significant."	Sep 08 22:03
DaemonFC	Considering that you only get half as many US dollars for them as you could 7 years ago might be discouraging the counterfeiters.	Sep 08 22:03
DaemonFC	Massive devaluation.	Sep 08 22:03
MinceR	indeed	Sep 08 22:04
MinceR	and our government is pretending it's not losing value	Sep 08 22:04
MinceR	in part via trickery with prices set by the government	Sep 08 22:04
MinceR	(venezuela style)	Sep 08 22:04
DaemonFC	Yeah. "1.3% inflation" but price controls make sure that there's also nothing on the shelves while farmers are drowning the chickens.	Sep 08 22:05
DaemonFC	The US experimented with price controls briefly in the 70s and found out that the results were far worse than even double-digit inflation.	Sep 08 22:05
DaemonFC	The result of price controls has invariably been disaster, ever since Diocletian's Edict on Maximum Prices, but people never seem to learn. :)	Sep 08 22:11
DaemonFC	It sometimes works as a temporary wartime measure along with ration coupons, but it requires a population that's willing to make sacrifices for what they believe is ultimately the greater good. The US during the second world war, for example. I don't think we have people like that anymore. Tell them they can't buy the latest iPhone and watch them lose their shit.	Sep 08 22:14
MinceR	:>	Sep 08 22:14
DaemonFC	https://scontent-ord1-1.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-xfp1/v/t1.0-9/12003006_905554256183305_8884678373833488037_n.jpg?oh=42262aa883390e87b721c22f86521227&oe=566ED71E	Sep 08 22:19
msb__	I'm trying to adapt my PC-DOS C code for Tetris to Linux, but the arrays have graphic hex-codes in them (e.g., to make a solid square), that I can't even see properly with the mc editor. Aggh!	Sep 08 22:19
MinceR	vim could help	Sep 08 22:21
MinceR	http://vim.wikia.com/wiki/Showing_the_ASCII_value_of_the_current_character	Sep 08 22:21
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-vim.wikia.com \| Showing the ASCII value of the current character - Vim Tips Wiki [ http://ur1.ca/npwl8 ]		Sep 08 22:21
MinceR	also, this: http://www.asciitable.com/	Sep 08 22:21
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.asciitable.com \| Ascii Table - ASCII character codes and html, octal, hex and decimal chart conversion		Sep 08 22:21
msb__	I can see the characters with my "sho" program, that shows all 256 codes, but I can't edit them with that.	Sep 08 22:23
msb__	I don't want to learn a new editor. I'll just replace them with printable characters and convert them in the code when they're used.	Sep 08 22:25
MinceR	People think that I must be a very strange person. This is not correct. I have the heart of a small boy. It is in a glass jar on my desk.	Sep 08 22:25
MinceR	Stephen King	Sep 08 22:25
DaemonFC	MinceR, Do you suppose that Hungary is trying to keep a lid on official inflation and other stats to game its way into the Euro and then offload some of their problems onto neighbors?	Sep 08 23:05
MinceR	i doubt they're trying to get into the eurozone	Sep 08 23:05
MinceR	if they are, they're doing it badly	Sep 08 23:05
MinceR	then again, there's little they aren't doing badly	Sep 08 23:06
DaemonFC	http://www.zdnet.com/article/september-2015-patch-tuesday/	Sep 08 23:07
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.zdnet.com \| Microsoft fixes five critical flaws, including two hitting all versions of Windows \| ZDNet [ http://ur1.ca/npx8c ]		Sep 08 23:07
DaemonFC	http://news.softpedia.com/news/microsoft-releases-new-cumulative-update-for-windows-10-491231.shtml	Sep 08 23:10
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DaemonFC	No changelog = coverup for true number of bugs.	Sep 08 23:10
MinceR	business as usual	Sep 08 23:12
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Is it Time for the Linux Foundation to be	Sep 09 00:06
TweetTuxMachines	Renamed? http://t.co/pO0ze65m7O	Sep 09 00:06
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Ubuntu 15.10 (Wily Werewolf) Is Now Officially	Sep 09 00:06
TweetTuxMachines	Powered by Linux Kernel 4.2	Sep 09 00:06
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Why Use Docker On A Dedicated Server?	Sep 09 00:44
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Waha Linux 8.2 Brings the Latest Debian 8.2	Sep 09 00:44
TweetTuxMachines	GNU/Linux OS to the Arab Community	Sep 09 00:44
TweetTuxMachines	http://t.co/KZYHgcx1mg (www.tuxmachines.org)	Sep 09 00:44
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines 4MLinux 13.1 Has Been Officially Released with	Sep 09 00:44
TweetTuxMachines	Linux Kernel 3.18 LTS http://t.co/XqquvrnS52	Sep 09 00:44
TweetTuxMachines	(www.tuxmachines.org)	Sep 09 00:44
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Android Lollipop is the OS of choice for one in	Sep 09 10:52
TweetTuxMachines	five users http://t.co/bBDDN28cOZ	Sep 09 10:52
TweetTuxMachines	(www.tuxmachines.org)	Sep 09 10:52
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org \| Android Lollipop is the OS of choice for one in five users \| Tux Machines		Sep 09 10:52
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schestowitz	> http://motherboard.vice.com/read/how-debian-is-trying-to-shut-down-the-cia-and-make-software-trustworthy-again	Sep 09 11:28
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schestowitz	>	Sep 09 11:28
schestowitz	> And with the other hand they add systemd ...	Sep 09 11:28
schestowitz	and depend on Red Hat, which works with the NSA.	Sep 09 11:28
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schestowitz	> https://soylentnews.org/article.pl?sid=15/09/08/1447250	Sep 09 11:38
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schestowitz	>	Sep 09 11:38
schestowitz	> an accidental good side to software patents	Sep 09 11:38
schestowitz	I wrote about the original story this week. This evening I have something coming about EPO...	Sep 09 11:38
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schestowitz	https://twitter.com/SleepyPenguin1/status/641562223245176832	Sep 09 11:43
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@SleepyPenguin1: Microsoft Buys Cloud Computing Security Startup Adallom \| NDTV Gadgets @schestowitz http://t.co/z9lxM2EFpb		Sep 09 11:43
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights--> gadgets.ndtv.com \| Microsoft Buys Cloud Computing Security Startup Adallom \| NDTV Gadgets		Sep 09 11:43
schestowitz	This is old 'news' re-announced	Sep 09 11:43
schestowitz	https://twitter.com/SleepyPenguin1/status/641563787057885184	Sep 09 11:52
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@SleepyPenguin1: @schestowitz Thought so.		Sep 09 11:52
schestowitz	https://twitter.com/MxsQueen/status/641565002646843392	Sep 09 11:53
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@MxsQueen: @schestowitz I thought that was Google's schtick.		Sep 09 11:53
schestowitz	Google does many more things than FB, including Android/OS. Some parts of Google are evil.	Sep 09 11:54
schestowitz	https://twitter.com/jmcest/status/641565071647371264	Sep 09 11:54
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@jmcest: Insecurity By Design. RT @schestowitz #TSA Master Keys https://t.co/WllXNLurzG abuse at so many levels, system for mass control		Sep 09 11:54
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights--> www.schneier.com \| TSA Master Keys - Schneier on Security		Sep 09 11:54
cubexyz	I suggested that people should stop using redhat quite a while ago	Sep 09 12:00
cubexyz	you want traditional Unix, you probably should have at least one openbsd box	Sep 09 12:01
schestowitz	https://twitter.com/pixelrust/status/641566545190232064	Sep 09 12:01
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@pixelrust: @schestowitz best line: the last one (between brackets) #debian #gnu #linux #secuity		Sep 09 12:01
schestowitz	" (lunar@debian sent me a very nice email. Don’t believe all the strawmen I wrote above...) "	Sep 09 12:01
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Mozilla pays it forward http://t.co/Kuy1bjXfoD	Sep 09 12:08
TweetTuxMachines	(www.tuxmachines.org)	Sep 09 12:08
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org \| Mozilla pays it forward \| Tux Machines		Sep 09 12:08
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Ubuntu Snappy Core and Raspberry Pi 2 Powered	Sep 09 12:08
TweetTuxMachines	Mycroft Device Successfully Funded	Sep 09 12:08
TweetTuxMachines	http://t.co/Y0d84DxzmZ (www.tuxmachines.org)	Sep 09 12:08
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/nq5sq	Sep 09 12:08
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org \| Ubuntu Snappy Core and Raspberry Pi 2 Powered Mycroft Device Successfully Funded \| Tux Machines		Sep 09 12:08
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines systemd 226 Adds New Features to the DHCP	Sep 09 12:08
TweetTuxMachines	Implementation of networkd, More	Sep 09 12:08
TweetTuxMachines	http://t.co/77R9YROhDH (www.tuxmachines.org)	Sep 09 12:08
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/nq5st	Sep 09 12:08
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org \| systemd 226 Adds New Features to the DHCP Implementation of networkd, More \| Tux Machines		Sep 09 12:08
schestowitz	https://joindiaspora.com/posts/6571751	Sep 09 12:09
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: Support #adblock to demolish a ruthless #surveillance industry http://thenextweb.com/insider/2015/09/08/adblock-plus-officially-lands-on-android-and-ios-today/		Sep 09 12:09
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schestowitz	"Adblock has a “whitelist” of ads it allows through, they have to make their money somewhere. They will not demolish ads but hold them to ransom."	Sep 09 12:09
schestowitz	Even better, some of them deserve that	Sep 09 12:09
schestowitz	it also helps fund development of adblock	Sep 09 12:09
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Human Interface Guidelines (HIG) for the Unix	Sep 09 12:21
TweetTuxMachines	shell http://t.co/KO12hqXthe	Sep 09 12:21
TweetTuxMachines	(www.tuxmachines.org)	Sep 09 12:22
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org \| Human Interface Guidelines (HIG) for the Unix shell \| Tux Machines		Sep 09 12:22
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines SystemRescueCd 4.6.0 Is Out with Xfce 4.12,	Sep 09 12:22
TweetTuxMachines	Linux Kernel 4.1.6 LTS, and GParted 0.23.0	Sep 09 12:22
TweetTuxMachines	http://t.co/Nx632O4Eo9 (www.tuxmachines.org)	Sep 09 12:22
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/nq5ya	Sep 09 12:22
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org \| SystemRescueCd 4.6.0 Is Out with Xfce 4.12, Linux Kernel 4.1.6 LTS, and GParted 0.23.0 \| Tux Machines		Sep 09 12:22
TweetTuxMachines	@AndroidOrgAu Android Australia Daily News is out!	Sep 09 12:22
TweetTuxMachines	http://t.co/9idqaAFaTd (paper.li) Stories via	Sep 09 12:22
TweetTuxMachines	@Ausdroid @tuxmachines	Sep 09 12:22
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-paper.li \| Android Australia Daily News		Sep 09 12:22
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/nq5yb	Sep 09 12:22
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Ubuntu 15.10 (Wily Werewolf) Is Now Officially	Sep 09 12:26
TweetTuxMachines	Powered by Linux Kernel 4.2	Sep 09 12:26
TweetTuxMachines	http://t.co/zFZebYzlTk (news.softpedia.com)	Sep 09 12:26
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-news.softpedia.com \| Ubuntu 15.10 (Wily Werewolf) Is Now Officially Powered by Linux Kernel 4.2 - Softpedia		Sep 09 12:26
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/nq60m	Sep 09 12:26
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines systemd 226 Adds New Features to the DHCP	Sep 09 12:26
TweetTuxMachines	Implementation of networkd, More	Sep 09 12:26
TweetTuxMachines	http://t.co/3tYIEmIswc (news.softpedia.com)	Sep 09 12:26
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-news.softpedia.com \| systemd 226 Adds New Features to the DHCP Implementation of networkd, More - Softpedia		Sep 09 12:26
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/nq60n	Sep 09 12:26
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Why Use Docker On A Dedicated Server?	Sep 09 12:26
TweetTuxMachines	http://t.co/HUJ8paYvit	Sep 09 12:26
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.everydaylinuxuser.com \| Why Use Docker On A Dedicated Server? « Everyday Linux User		Sep 09 12:26
TweetTuxMachines	(www.everydaylinuxuser.com)	Sep 09 12:26
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/nq60o	Sep 09 12:26
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines 4MLinux 13.1 Has Been Officially Released with	Sep 09 12:26
TweetTuxMachines	Linux Kernel 3.18 LTS http://t.co/rB9ZCNUCh4	Sep 09 12:26
TweetTuxMachines	(linux.softpedia.com)	Sep 09 12:26
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/nq60p	Sep 09 12:26
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-linux.softpedia.com \| 4MLinux 13.1 Has Been Officially Released with Linux Kernel 3.18 LTS - Softpedia		Sep 09 12:26
*TweetTuxMachines @techmuser favourited '4MLinux 13.1 Has Been Officially Released with Linux...'		Sep 09 12:28
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Has Windows 10 Killed Linux On The Desktop?	Sep 09 12:28
TweetTuxMachines	http://t.co/akHSf2hCSp	Sep 09 12:28
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.everydaylinuxuser.com \| Has Windows 10 Killed Linux On The Desktop? « Everyday Linux User		Sep 09 12:28
TweetTuxMachines	(www.everydaylinuxuser.com) no, it probably	Sep 09 12:28
TweetTuxMachines	accelerated its adoption	Sep 09 12:28
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/nq61z	Sep 09 12:28
schestowitz	https://twitter.com/alexanderhanff/status/641574400924491776	Sep 09 12:31
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@alexanderhanff: @schestowitz I wouldn't really call an OS which has an enforced dominent market share a consumer choice would you?		Sep 09 12:31
schestowitz	the word "choice" was wrong here, I thought that too when I relayed	Sep 09 12:31
schestowitz	https://twitter.com/RamiSilawi/status/641574802956750849	Sep 09 12:33
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@RamiSilawi: @schestowitz check this out :) https://t.co/b7tUNXweml		Sep 09 12:33
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@RamiSilawi: Hasta la #vista10 , baby: Welcome #Linux ! Used the New Socially Awkward #Penguin my way :) http://t.co/OcawcmgNWA		Sep 09 12:33
schestowitz	Getty are after you for copyright royalties ;-)	Sep 09 12:33
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Waha Linux 8.2 Brings the Latest Debian 8.2	Sep 09 12:36
TweetTuxMachines	GNU/Linux OS to the Arab Community	Sep 09 12:36
TweetTuxMachines	http://t.co/jz3cSSRs5F (news.softpedia.com)	Sep 09 12:36
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/nq65n	Sep 09 12:36
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-news.softpedia.com \| Waha Linux 8.2 Brings the Latest Debian 8.2 GNU/Linux OS to the Arab Community - Softpedia		Sep 09 12:36
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Android Lollipop is the OS of choice for one in	Sep 09 12:36
TweetTuxMachines	five users http://t.co/FeFlG0RtON	Sep 09 12:36
TweetTuxMachines	(www.engadget.com)	Sep 09 12:36
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.engadget.com \| Android Lollipop is the OS of choice for one in five users		Sep 09 12:36
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/nq65o	Sep 09 12:36
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Ubuntu Snappy Core and Raspberry Pi 2 Powered	Sep 09 12:37
TweetTuxMachines	Mycroft Device Successfully Funded	Sep 09 12:37
TweetTuxMachines	http://t.co/a7VuMa0QGM (news.softpedia.com)	Sep 09 12:37
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/nq65p	Sep 09 12:37
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-news.softpedia.com \| Ubuntu Snappy Core and Raspberry Pi 2 Powered Mycroft Device Successfully Funded - Softpedia		Sep 09 12:37
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Human Interface Guidelines (HIG) for the Unix	Sep 09 12:40
TweetTuxMachines	shell http://t.co/jGYx11gEJD (opensource.com)	Sep 09 12:40
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/nq67h	Sep 09 12:40
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-opensource.com \| All Things Open, interview with Klaatu on HIG \| Opensource.com		Sep 09 12:40
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines SystemRescueCd 4.6.0 Is Out with Xfce 4.12,	Sep 09 12:40
TweetTuxMachines	Linux Kernel 4.1.6 LTS, and GParted 0.23.0	Sep 09 12:40
TweetTuxMachines	http://t.co/b7g6yipoGz (linux.softpedia.com)	Sep 09 12:40
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-linux.softpedia.com \| SystemRescueCd 4.6.0 Is Out with Xfce 4.12, Linux Kernel 4.1.6 LTS, and GParted 0.23.0 - Softpedia		Sep 09 12:40
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/nq67i	Sep 09 12:40
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Linux and Python education for students in	Sep 09 12:40
TweetTuxMachines	Israel http://t.co/OZmFMJcMSY (opensource.com)	Sep 09 12:40
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/nq67j	Sep 09 12:40
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-opensource.com \| ROSE project teaches open source to students in Israel \| Opensource.com		Sep 09 12:40
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Red Hat to boost APAC enterprises with its	Sep 09 12:48
TweetTuxMachines	fifth annual forum http://t.co/mi0XeNwZRb	Sep 09 12:48
TweetTuxMachines	(www.channelworld.in)	Sep 09 12:48
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/nq6b4	Sep 09 12:48
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.channelworld.in \| Red Hat to boost APAC enterprises with its fifth annual forum \| News \| ChannelWorld.in		Sep 09 12:48
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Ubuntu Wily gaggle builds 15.10 beta beachhead	Sep 09 12:49
TweetTuxMachines	http://t.co/AAy3vwkoMN (www.theregister.co.uk)	Sep 09 12:49
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.theregister.co.uk \| Ubuntu Wily gaggle builds 15.10 beta beachhead • The Register		Sep 09 12:49
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/nq6b5	Sep 09 12:49
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines MATE Interface for Linux Systems Remains Alive	Sep 09 12:49
TweetTuxMachines	and Growing http://t.co/rifZr62HNe	Sep 09 12:49
TweetTuxMachines	(thevarguy.com)	Sep 09 12:49
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-thevarguy.com \| MATE Interface for Linux Systems Remains Alive and Growing \| Open Source Application Software Companies content from The VAR Guy		Sep 09 12:49
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/nq6b6	Sep 09 12:49
schestowitz	http://www.pressgazette.co.uk/6000-drop-number-uk-journalists-over-two-years-18000-more-prs-labour-force-survey-shows	Sep 09 12:56
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.pressgazette.co.uk \| 6,000 drop in number of UK journalists over two years - but 18,000 more PRs, Labour Force Survey shows \| Press Gazette [ http://ur1.ca/nq6fm ]		Sep 09 12:56
schestowitz	And a lot of people who call themselves "journalists" are stenographers of gov. and/or corporations, without sense of shame	Sep 09 12:57
schestowitz	https://twitter.com/glynmoody/status/641582867945009152	Sep 09 13:07
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@glynmoody: @schestowitz indeed, and increasingly so, alas....		Sep 09 13:07
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schestowitz	https://twitter.com/RootUsers_/status/641583429276950528	Sep 09 13:18
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@RootUsers_: @schestowitz Agreed, have moved a few desktops over to Linux since Windows 10 privacy issues.		Sep 09 13:18
schestowitz	Looking at nations other than Five Eyes 'members', there is a big motion away from Windows (Vista 10) and to Free software	Sep 09 13:18
schestowitz	https://twitter.com/agente_smithe/status/641583777601482752	Sep 09 13:19
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@agente_smithe: @schestowitz systemd is RH pulling a M$ on the GNU/Linux ecosystem.		Sep 09 13:19
schestowitz	I wouldn't go as far as that....	Sep 09 13:19
schestowitz	https://twitter.com/agente_smithe/status/641584099170365440	Sep 09 13:19
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@agente_smithe: @schestowitz I m concerned with FB running tv ads promoting internet. And, by the end, internet by facebook. WTF ???		Sep 09 13:19
schestowitz	Facebook is very evil.	Sep 09 13:20
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Canonical Video Showcases Scopes Interface	Sep 09 13:31
TweetTuxMachines	Feature for Ubuntu Phones	Sep 09 13:31
TweetTuxMachines	http://t.co/yOg1IMO2wI (thevarguy.com)	Sep 09 13:31
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-thevarguy.com \| Canonical Video Showcases Scopes Interface Feature for Ubuntu Phones \| Open Source Application Software Companies content from The VAR Guy		Sep 09 13:31
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/nq6vy	Sep 09 13:31
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines The Best Way to Backup Ubuntu Software	Sep 09 13:31
TweetTuxMachines	http://t.co/SSkCnRDRf7 (www.datamation.com)	Sep 09 13:31
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/nq6vz	Sep 09 13:31
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.datamation.com \| The Best Way to Backup Ubuntu Software - Datamation		Sep 09 13:31
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Ubuntu-Based Ultimate Edition 4.6 Gamers Distro	Sep 09 13:31
TweetTuxMachines	Is the Ultimate Entertainment System	Sep 09 13:31
TweetTuxMachines	http://t.co/RbrW4tFYNV (news.softpedia.com)	Sep 09 13:31
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-news.softpedia.com \| Ubuntu-Based Ultimate Edition 4.6 Gamers Distro Is the Ultimate Entertainment System - Softpedia		Sep 09 13:31
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/nq6w1	Sep 09 13:31
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines MATE Interface for Linux Systems Remains Alive	Sep 09 13:32
TweetTuxMachines	and Growing http://t.co/atUiAFUtwP	Sep 09 13:32
TweetTuxMachines	(www.tuxmachines.org)	Sep 09 13:32
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org \| MATE Interface for Linux Systems Remains Alive and Growing \| Tux Machines		Sep 09 13:32
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/nq6w3	Sep 09 13:32
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Canonical Video Showcases Scopes Interface	Sep 09 13:32
TweetTuxMachines	Feature for Ubuntu Phones	Sep 09 13:32
TweetTuxMachines	http://t.co/hTSWphquCc (www.tuxmachines.org)	Sep 09 13:32
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/nq6w5	Sep 09 13:32
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org \| Canonical Video Showcases Scopes Interface Feature for Ubuntu Phones \| Tux Machines		Sep 09 13:32
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Android Influencer: Helen Li, the woman behind	Sep 09 13:32
TweetTuxMachines	OnePlus’s Oxygen OS http://t.co/NutbthpoRT	Sep 09 13:32
TweetTuxMachines	(www.tuxmachines.org)	Sep 09 13:32
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org \| Android Influencer: Helen Li, the woman behind OnePlus’s Oxygen OS \| Tux Machines		Sep 09 13:32
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/nq6w6	Sep 09 13:32
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines The Best Way to Backup Ubuntu Software	Sep 09 14:05
TweetTuxMachines	http://t.co/7CHGobQ9TK (www.tuxmachines.org)	Sep 09 14:05
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/nq7ar	Sep 09 14:05
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org \| The Best Way to Backup Ubuntu Software \| Tux Machines		Sep 09 14:05
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Ubuntu-Based Ultimate Edition 4.6 Gamers Distro	Sep 09 14:05
TweetTuxMachines	Is the Ultimate Entertainment System	Sep 09 14:05
TweetTuxMachines	http://t.co/UOF2eHBNu0 (www.tuxmachines.org)	Sep 09 14:05
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/nq7at	Sep 09 14:05
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org \| Ubuntu-Based Ultimate Edition 4.6 Gamers Distro Is the Ultimate Entertainment System \| Tux Machines		Sep 09 14:05
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Linux Missing Apps Is No Longer a Reason Not to	Sep 09 14:05
TweetTuxMachines	Dump Windows http://t.co/qW3N6jsE00	Sep 09 14:05
TweetTuxMachines	(news.softpedia.com)	Sep 09 14:05
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-news.softpedia.com \| Linux Missing Apps Is No Longer a Reason Not to Dump Windows - Softpedia		Sep 09 14:05
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/nq7av	Sep 09 14:05
*TweetTuxMachines @HYPRBrands favourited 'Android Influencer: Helen Li, the woman behind OnePlus’s...'		Sep 09 14:12
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Samba 4.3.0 Arrives with Support for Apple's	Sep 09 14:12
TweetTuxMachines	Spotlight, Logging Improvements	Sep 09 14:12
TweetTuxMachines	http://t.co/ympXJI4zmR (news.softpedia.com)	Sep 09 14:12
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/nq7ds	Sep 09 14:12
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-news.softpedia.com \| Samba 4.3.0 Arrives with Support for Apple's Spotlight, Logging Improvements - Softpedia		Sep 09 14:12
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schestowitz	https://twitter.com/jamiedpainter/status/641607906501206016	Sep 09 14:45
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@jamiedpainter: @schestowitz I'm curious where payment anonymity exists outside of cash transactions?		Sep 09 14:45
schestowitz	It';s 's tricky to find in the digital world	Sep 09 14:45
schestowitz	It's tricky to find in the digital world	Sep 09 14:45
schestowitz	https://twitter.com/HelwaniNose/status/641608864195022848	Sep 09 14:50
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@HelwaniNose: @schestowitz ever find out why plasma wont do multi-wallpapers/widget on virtual desktops? its loved feature (morethan activities) WONT fix		Sep 09 14:50
schestowitz	I'm not happy with Plasma5 and I'm hoping for a fix, maybe some time by the end of next year	Sep 09 14:50
schestowitz	https://twitter.com/HelwaniNose/status/641609226503254016	Sep 09 14:51
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@HelwaniNose: @schestowitz https://t.co/fAnu03zOR8		Sep 09 14:51
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights--> bugs.kde.org \| Bug 343246 – plasma 5 doesn't allow different wallpapers and widgets for each virtual desktop		Sep 09 14:51
schestowitz	I'd go back to KDE3 or Plasma 4 if it was easy (it's not anymore)	Sep 09 14:51
cubexyz	I'm running kde 3.5.10 and trinity	Sep 09 14:57
cubexyz	although on the openbsd box I'm using icewm and parts of xfce4	Sep 09 14:57
cubexyz	for that matter you can run kde 1 stuff	Sep 09 14:58
cubexyz	there's no difficulty at all	Sep 09 14:58
cubexyz	now writing kde 1 stuff might be a bit hard, but just using existing kde 1 stuff is not	Sep 09 14:59
cubexyz	I'll prove it	Sep 09 15:04
cubexyz	http://www.maxhost.org/other/openbsd-krubik-kde1.png	Sep 09 15:04
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Android Influencer: Helen Li, the woman behind	Sep 09 15:04
TweetTuxMachines	OnePlus’s Oxygen OS http://t.co/MWlOc7T0xX	Sep 09 15:04
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.greenbot.com \| Android Influencer: Helen Li, the woman behind OnePlus’s Oxygen OS \| Greenbot		Sep 09 15:04
TweetTuxMachines	(www.greenbot.com)	Sep 09 15:04
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/nq80k	Sep 09 15:04
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Looking Ahead to New Linux/FOSS Promotional	Sep 09 15:04
TweetTuxMachines	Events http://t.co/Uu0KPifiiS (fossforce.com)	Sep 09 15:04
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-fossforce.com \| Looking Ahead to New Linux/FOSS Promotional Events \| FOSS Force		Sep 09 15:04
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/nq80l	Sep 09 15:04
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines "first secrets file ever created with #KSecret	Sep 09 15:05
TweetTuxMachines	Service, and it happened here, in Randa."	Sep 09 15:05
TweetTuxMachines	https://t.co/1FGj7vOI7P (error)	Sep 09 15:05
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/nq80m	Sep 09 15:05
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-barlog.rusu.info \| KSecret Service just created its first secrets file \| Valentin Rusu		Sep 09 15:05
cubexyz	Eendebak told me he disliked KDE 2 so he stopped writing KDE programs	Sep 09 15:05
msb__	Extremely informative interview of Julian Assange regarding secret US plans to overthrow Assad years ago, how the US Empire works, multi-pronged attacks on nations it wants to influence or destroy, etc. -- https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W3HWiydFlJc	Sep 09 15:06
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.youtube.com \| Assange on 'US Empire', Assad govt overthrow plans & new book 'The WikiLeaks Files' (EXCLUSIVE) - YouTube [ http://ur1.ca/nq81d ]		Sep 09 15:06
MinceR	http://www.marietjeschaake.eu/2015/09/how-russia-uses-the-internet-for-surveillance-and-propaganda/	Sep 09 15:09
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.marietjeschaake.eu \| The Red Web: How Russia uses the internet for surveillance and propaganda [ http://ur1.ca/nq832 ]		Sep 09 15:09
cubexyz	you can even have one machine running trinity, or KDE whatever version and use compressed X11 forwarding via ssh to run on just about anything with X running on it	Sep 09 15:10
schestowitz	https://joindiaspora.com/posts/6572824	Sep 09 15:10
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: #microsoft #vista10 'damage control' http://www.zdnet.com/article/september-2015-patch-tuesday/ http://news.softpedia.com/news/microsoft-releases-new-cumulative-update-for-windows-10-491231.shtml Ryan (ex-MS MVP): "No changelog = coverup for true number of bugs."		Sep 09 15:10
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights--> www.zdnet.com \| Microsoft fixes five critical flaws, including two hitting all versions of Windows \| ZDNet [ http://ur1.ca/npx8c ]		Sep 09 15:10
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights--> news.softpedia.com \| Microsoft Releases New Cumulative Update for Windows 10 - Updated - Softpedia [ http://ur1.ca/npx9i ]		Sep 09 15:10
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cubexyz	with xmove you can even move an application to a different Xserver	Sep 09 15:14
cubexyz	there used to be a program called Guievict which was a bit more elaborate than xmove	Sep 09 15:16
cubexyz	don't think it's maintained any more though	Sep 09 15:16
cubexyz	xpra is the modern equivalent	Sep 09 15:17
msb__	So let's see... MinceR is telling us not to view the Assange interview because Russia broadcasts "propaganda" -- i.e., its view of things -- over the Net?	Sep 09 15:17
cubexyz	http://xpra.org	Sep 09 15:17
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-xpra.org \| xpra - screen for X		Sep 09 15:17
MinceR	msb__ is lying, as usual	Sep 09 15:18
MinceR	http://www.independent.co.uk/life-style/health-and-families/health-news/homeopathy-conference-ends-in-chaos-after-delegates-take-hallucinogenic-drug-10491114.html	Sep 09 15:18
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.independent.co.uk \| Homeopathy conference ends in chaos after delegates take hallucinogenic drug - Health News - Health & Families - The Independent [ http://ur1.ca/npu2t ]		Sep 09 15:18
msb__	Does MinceR want us to think that Assange is a Russian agent? Does MinceR not want us to be aware of US subversion and destruction of many nations around the world, which Assange is talking about?	Sep 09 15:19
MinceR	when will msb__ run out of straw men?	Sep 09 15:19
msb__	Why did MinceR post his non-informative article about Russia and the Net immediately after I posted the video of Assange? Does his CIA handler give him a list of these things to be posted at convenient times?	Sep 09 15:21
MinceR	why does msb__ get so outraged for every bit of dissent?	Sep 09 15:23
msb__	I'm not outraged at all, just asking questions about MinceR's peculiar behavior.	Sep 09 15:25
MinceR	the Thought Police does not tolerate any attitude towards the russian empire other than unconditional love and worship	Sep 09 15:25
msb__	What does Russia publishing opinion on the Net have to do with Julian Assange?	Sep 09 15:26
MinceR	similarly to how the Thought Police does not tolerate any attitude towards systemd other than unconditional love and worship	Sep 09 15:26
msb__	What does Russia publishing opinion on the Net have to do with Julian Assange?	Sep 09 15:26
MinceR	who said it did?	Sep 09 15:26
msb__	Why did you post the article about it immediately after I posted the one about Assange?	Sep 09 15:27
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines We're Still Waiting To See If KDBUS Will Come	Sep 09 15:27
TweetTuxMachines	For Linux 4.3 http://t.co/1FpSbUQe6K	Sep 09 15:27
TweetTuxMachines	(www.phoronix.com)	Sep 09 15:27
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.phoronix.com \| We're Still Waiting To See If KDBUS Will Come For Linux 4.3 - Phoronix		Sep 09 15:27
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/nq8ap	Sep 09 15:27
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Xen Has A Few Additions For Linux 4.3	Sep 09 15:27
TweetTuxMachines	http://t.co/8SRhkQt4ji (www.phoronix.com)	Sep 09 15:27
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/nq8ar	Sep 09 15:27
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.phoronix.com \| Xen Has A Few Additions For Linux 4.3 - Phoronix		Sep 09 15:27
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Epiphany 3.17.91 Released, Blocks Ads By	Sep 09 15:27
TweetTuxMachines	Default http://t.co/rEmfm1M2Hq	Sep 09 15:27
TweetTuxMachines	(www.phoronix.com)	Sep 09 15:27
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MinceR	why does msb__ pretend that one was solely about Assange?	Sep 09 15:28
msb__	MinceR: That what was solely about Assange?	Sep 09 15:28
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Secure Boot — Fedora, RHEL, and Shim Upstream	Sep 09 15:32
TweetTuxMachines	Maintenance: Government Involvement or Lack	Sep 09 15:32
TweetTuxMachines	Thereof http://t.co/5kK14ZhGrs	Sep 09 15:32
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-blog.uncooperative.org \| Secure Boot — Fedora, RHEL, and Shim Upstream Maintenance: Government Involvement or Lack Thereof - The Uncoöperative Organization		Sep 09 15:32
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Hands-on: Installing openSuSE Tumbleweed on my	Sep 09 15:32
TweetTuxMachines	new Acer Aspire V3-331	Sep 09 15:32
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TweetTuxMachines	new Acer Aspire V3-331	Sep 09 15:33
TweetTuxMachines	http://t.co/Ipn4TM8Pxg (www.zdnet.com)	Sep 09 15:33
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cubexyz	a pity X11 forwarding doesn't work very well for firefox/iceweasel	Sep 09 15:35
schestowitz	https://twitter.com/dudumimran/status/641620069001261056	Sep 09 15:35
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@dudumimran: @schestowitz Morphisec prevents zero-days as written in the story - nothing to do with backdoors nor the headline title so why liars?		Sep 09 15:35
cubexyz	it worked a lot better on the old icecat	Sep 09 15:35
schestowitz	The OS itself cannot be made secure, as its code is secret (proprietary) and known to have back doors. Target OSS instead.	Sep 09 15:36
msb__	cubexyz: Why? Too much data from firefox?	Sep 09 15:36
cubexyz	well part of the problem is the R30 is just too slow for it and it's the R30 that is running q4os	Sep 09 15:37
cubexyz	not sure exactly why it's so slow	Sep 09 15:38
cubexyz	the motif programs all run very fast via X11 forwarding	Sep 09 15:38
msb__	I've been having trouble lately running firefox on one machine. When it's supposed to show a new page, it doesn't, until I hover the pointer over the circle-X gadget at the right of the url-bar. I think it upgraded recently.	Sep 09 15:39
msb__	What's an R30?	Sep 09 15:39
cubexyz	Thinkpad R30, it's a 1 ghz P3	Sep 09 15:39
msb__	Sounded like the designation of a British airship, as in "The R30 disaster".	Sep 09 15:40
msb__	Did your firefox update recently?	Sep 09 15:41
msb__	Mine is version 40.0.3	Sep 09 15:41
cubexyz	I'm running multiple versions	Sep 09 15:41
cubexyz	firefox 16 is the one I use the most	Sep 09 15:42
msb__	And it's slow with X11 forwarding?	Sep 09 15:42
cubexyz	Mozilla Iceweasel 38.2.1 is slow	Sep 09 15:43
schestowitz	https://twitter.com/freedomgirl2011/status/641622286525726721	Sep 09 15:43
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@freedomgirl2011: @schestowitz HackRead has the answers and directions to enable		Sep 09 15:43
cubexyz	let me try firefox 16 with X11 forwarding	Sep 09 15:43
schestowitz	https://twitter.com/dudumimran/status/641622862466453504	Sep 09 15:43
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@dudumimran: @schestowitz Morphisec protects against zero-days and other exploits. Far from a secure OS which was an interpretation of the Techworm.		Sep 09 15:43
cubexyz	haven't tried that	Sep 09 15:43
msb__	Do you have a graphical system monitor running on the R30 that shows if the CPU is saturated?	Sep 09 15:43
schestowitz	better to use a secure OS, not back doored kludge with a sense of security on top of it	Sep 09 15:43
msb__	I find that very helpful. I'm using the KDE4 system monitor.	Sep 09 15:44
cubexyz	actually I'm running firefox 16 on the openbsd box and it's not bad at all speed-wise	Sep 09 15:45
cubexyz	except it doesn't let me run it on both machines at the same time	Sep 09 15:45
msb__	I always keep it running. If the system slows down and the cpu graph is humpy, I know to kill and restart firefox.	Sep 09 15:45
schestowitz	https://twitter.com/dudumimran/status/641622991650996225	Sep 09 15:45
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@dudumimran: @schestowitz the fact one does not have control on media interpretations does not make one a liar.		Sep 09 15:45
schestowitz	Maybe best to speak to the media then	Sep 09 15:45
schestowitz	The article promoted the ludicrous notion of 'secure' Windows	Sep 09 15:46
schestowitz	https://twitter.com/dudumimran/status/641623551225655296	Sep 09 15:46
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@dudumimran: @schestowitz Personally I agree but as you know proprietary OSes are widely used and their need for protection can not be ignored. Reality.		Sep 09 15:46
msb__	Sure. US "national security".	Sep 09 15:47
schestowitz	It's possible to secure FOSS, but not secret code in operating systems whose makers are actively colluding with the NSA	Sep 09 15:47
schestowitz	Giving people a false sense of security is worse than none at all	Sep 09 15:47
schestowitz	msb__: yeah	Sep 09 15:48
cubexyz	http://www.maxhost.org/other/openbsd-firefox-16.png	Sep 09 15:49
cubexyz	so it works well, but with the limitation of only running on one machine at a time	Sep 09 15:49
msb__	cubexyz: How do it know?	Sep 09 15:50
schestowitz	https://twitter.com/dudumimran/status/641624256099454976 https://twitter.com/dudumimran/status/641624392934387712	Sep 09 15:50
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@dudumimran: @schestowitz very difficult to control what others say about you, in general I think:) Check out their site http://t.co/ikpTMf1S1v		Sep 09 15:50
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights--> www.morphisec.com \| Morphisec - Polymorphic Cyber Defense		Sep 09 15:50
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@dudumimran: @schestowitz agree but that happens many times with media coverages, nothing new.		Sep 09 15:50
cubexyz	well it knows that the host machine is already running firefox	Sep 09 15:51
msb__	cubexyz: Do you know the thermos bottle joke?	Sep 09 15:51
schestowitz	Credit card leaks in your country demonstrate the high cost of encouraging companies to continue storing them on Windows	Sep 09 15:51
cubexyz	msb__, nope	Sep 09 15:51
schestowitz	https://twitter.com/FrancisJeffrey7/status/641624539781185536	Sep 09 15:52
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@FrancisJeffrey7: @schestowitz For anyone reading, briefly: #snachocracy --> #snitchocracy ? If anything esoteric, please DM that to me.		Sep 09 15:52
msb__	An ethnic man's wife gives him a thermos bottle as a present. He's very happy with it and tells his co-workers, "If I put something hot in it it keeps it hot, and if I put something cold in it, it keeps it cold." They say, "So what?" He replies, "How do it know?"	Sep 09 15:53
schestowitz	https://twitter.com/dudumimran/status/641625551166279680	Sep 09 15:55
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@dudumimran: @schestowitz a general question, do you believe that if everyone worked on Linux the number of attacks were to decline?		Sep 09 15:55
schestowitz	No, but maybe the overall proportion of attacks that are successful would decrease. See CII.	Sep 09 15:56
msb__	I think FOSS becomes more difficult to secure if it's more difficult to understand what's going on inside it, and that happens if engineering principles of simplicity and modularity are violated, which systemd is doing.	Sep 09 15:58
cubexyz	stupid firefox!	Sep 09 15:59
msb__	cubexyz: you're running version 16. That's so last millennium. 8^)	Sep 09 16:00
schestowitz	https://twitter.com/dudumimran/status/641626742759665664	Sep 09 16:00
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@dudumimran: @schestowitz maybe. I used to think that though today I believe motivation supersedes technical difficulties and we agreed that is no 100%		Sep 09 16:00
schestowitz	negligence in patching is an issue, no doubt... but no matter the amount of patching if there are intentional back doors...	Sep 09 16:00
msb__	simplicity, modularity and visibility	Sep 09 16:01
msb__	Firefox has its ups and downs. Months ago it was using up some X resource, which caused the screen to flicker rapidly and then X and the KDE3 session crashed and I was back in kdm. That hasn't happened for a while until I went to one of MinceR's CIA sites, I think yesterday. Blammo!	Sep 09 16:04
msb__	I know it was an X problem because there was a last log entry in the syslog or the x log about X.	Sep 09 16:05
schestowitz	https://twitter.com/dudumimran/status/641627777863585793 https://twitter.com/dudumimran/status/641627925960224768	Sep 09 16:07
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@dudumimran: @schestowitz I don't believe patching can ever cope with exploits. Exploits are inevitable due to sw complexity and dependency on 3rd party		Sep 09 16:07
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@dudumimran: @schestowitz I've written once about it if you've got the patience to read:) http://t.co/6ipocGHrk5 - that topic is my specialty.		Sep 09 16:07
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights--> www.dudumimran.com \| Is It GAME OVER? - Dudu Mimran Blog		Sep 09 16:07
schestowitz	Thanks, will read it later today	Sep 09 16:07
msb__	To take advantage of the current huge Windows 10 disaster, we really need a well-supported non-systemd LInux distro with a huge repo, so people can easily find and install all the software they need.	Sep 09 16:10
msb__	I was sad at being named Bilk until I met a man named Dudu!	Sep 09 16:12
cubexyz	ok... I figured out a work-around	Sep 09 16:12
cubexyz	instead of X11 forwarding from the vector box (which is already running firefox) I simply forward from another computer	Sep 09 16:12
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines How ABRT helped us make Fedora Workstation more	Sep 09 16:12
TweetTuxMachines	stable https://t.co/IfwIOxcgdU	Sep 09 16:13
TweetTuxMachines	(eischmann.wordpress.com)	Sep 09 16:13
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/nq8we	Sep 09 16:13
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-eischmann.wordpress.com \| How ABRT helped us make Fedora Workstation more stable \| Brno's hat		Sep 09 16:13
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Gnome-like activity overview in other desktop	Sep 09 16:13
TweetTuxMachines	environments https://t.co/OljrC0Fkof	Sep 09 16:13
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-pigjuliux.wordpress.com \| Gnome-like activity overview in other desktop environments \| JuLiuX' World		Sep 09 16:13
TweetTuxMachines	(pigjuliux.wordpress.com)	Sep 09 16:13
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cubexyz	so firefox is running fast on a machine with 256 megs :)	Sep 09 16:13
cubexyz	yes, I'm quite pleased	Sep 09 16:13
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Red Hat exec is one of top 10 female leaders in	Sep 09 16:13
TweetTuxMachines	'cloud' technology http://t.co/h0lwLqurI2	Sep 09 16:13
TweetTuxMachines	(wraltechwire.com)	Sep 09 16:13
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-wraltechwire.com \| Red Hat exec is one of top 10 female leaders in 'cloud' technology :: Editor's Blog at WRAL TechWire		Sep 09 16:13
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Xiaomi 'Macbook Pro killer' laptop release	Sep 09 16:14
TweetTuxMachines	date, specs rumors: To run Linux	Sep 09 16:14
TweetTuxMachines	http://t.co/aT09IVNuWz (www.mnrdaily.com)	Sep 09 16:14
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.mnrdaily.com \| Xiaomi 'Macbook Pro killer' laptop release date, specs rumors: To run Linux		Sep 09 16:14
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Epiphany 3.17.91 Released, Blocks Ads By	Sep 09 16:14
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org \| Epiphany 3.17.91 Released, Blocks Ads By Default \| Tux Machines		Sep 09 16:14
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Events: 30 years Free Software Foundation,	Sep 09 16:15
TweetTuxMachines	ownCloud, and Linux/FOSS Promotional Events	Sep 09 16:15
TweetTuxMachines	http://t.co/dL2uILl6vH (www.tuxmachines.org)	Sep 09 16:15
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org \| Events: 30 years Free Software Foundation, ownCloud, and Linux/FOSS Promotional Events \| Tux Machines		Sep 09 16:15
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines We're Still Waiting To See If KDBUS Will Come	Sep 09 16:15
TweetTuxMachines	For Linux 4.3 http://t.co/3Qa2TRa5XV	Sep 09 16:15
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org \| We're Still Waiting To See If KDBUS Will Come For Linux 4.3 \| Tux Machines		Sep 09 16:15
TweetTuxMachines	(www.tuxmachines.org)	Sep 09 16:15
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cubexyz	funky, I'm running google-chrome on the ancient openbsd box :)	Sep 09 16:15
msb__	I want to run Unix on a cross-connected 12AX7, which I will communicate with using a telegraph key and a neon lamp.	Sep 09 16:15
cubexyz	http://www.maxhost.org/other/openbsd-running-chrome-v20.png	Sep 09 16:17
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights- ( status 404 @ http://www.maxhost.org/other/openbsd-running-chrome-v20.png )		Sep 09 16:17
cubexyz	oops	Sep 09 16:17
cubexyz	it's quite the memory workout remembering all the passwords	Sep 09 16:18
cubexyz	http://www.maxhost.org/other/openbsd-running-chrome-v20.png	Sep 09 16:18
cubexyz	well msb__ that brings me up to 2012 at least	Sep 09 16:18
msb__	Very good!	Sep 09 16:18
cubexyz	good, except for the huge office 365 ad that just appeared	Sep 09 16:20
msb__	The first computer I programmed on was a Royal McBee something-16, which had no RAM. It had a 60Hz drum and so could execute 60 instructions per second, unless you spaced them carefully around the drum.	Sep 09 16:20
msb__	No AdBlocker?	Sep 09 16:21
cubexyz	you know this is faster than trying to run firefox on the old machine	Sep 09 16:22
cubexyz	it's quite useable	Sep 09 16:22
cubexyz	evidently not on the machine I'm forwarding from	Sep 09 16:23
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Hands-on: Installing openSuSE Tumbleweed on my	Sep 09 16:25
TweetTuxMachines	new Acer Aspire V3-331 http://t.co/sK3FFJsNsm	Sep 09 16:25
TweetTuxMachines	(www.tuxmachines.org)	Sep 09 16:25
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org \| Hands-on: Installing openSuSE Tumbleweed on my new Acer Aspire V3-331 \| Tux Machines		Sep 09 16:25
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Open Source CMS Platform Acquired	Sep 09 16:25
TweetTuxMachines	http://t.co/GD8zHZ2BkT (www.tuxmachines.org)	Sep 09 16:25
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org \| Open Source CMS Platform Acquired \| Tux Machines		Sep 09 16:25
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Five Useful Tools For Debian Based Systems	Sep 09 16:25
TweetTuxMachines	http://t.co/UmDOXotS6t (www.unixmen.com)	Sep 09 16:25
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/nq92f	Sep 09 16:25
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.unixmen.com \| Five Useful Tools For Debian Based Systems \| Unixmen		Sep 09 16:25
cubexyz	the animated thing on schestowitz techrights.org site does slow it down a lot though	Sep 09 16:26
cubexyz	but that disappears once you click on a link	Sep 09 16:26
cubexyz	I've managed to make my own browser cloud :)	Sep 09 16:30
schestowitz	https://twitter.com/dudumimran/status/641629139359789057	Sep 09 16:33
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@dudumimran: @schestowitz great - nice meeting:)		Sep 09 16:33
schestowitz	[16:26] <cubexyz> the animated thing on schestowitz techrights.org site does slow it down a lot though	Sep 09 16:33
schestowitz	Which one?	Sep 09 16:33
schestowitz	The site is under heavy load at the moment	Sep 09 16:33
cubexyz	the Snowden one	Sep 09 16:36
cubexyz	but it's mainly because of the X11 forwarding	Sep 09 16:37
cubexyz	it's still useable	Sep 09 16:37
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines This Is Not The New Nokia Android Smartphone	Sep 09 17:09
TweetTuxMachines	You Desire http://t.co/4WmwQjva6r	Sep 09 17:09
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.forbes.com \| This Is Not The New Nokia Android Smartphone You Desire		Sep 09 17:09
TweetTuxMachines	(www.forbes.com)	Sep 09 17:09
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Getting IoT kick started on Fedora	Sep 09 17:09
TweetTuxMachines	http://t.co/76YDzLUCng (nullr0ute.com)	Sep 09 17:09
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-nullr0ute.com \| Getting IoT kick started on Fedora \| nullr0ute's blog		Sep 09 17:09
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Links 9/9/2015: Steam for GNU/Linux Rising,	Sep 09 17:09
TweetTuxMachines	Plasma 5.4.1 is Out http://t.co/rJ1uBJnJnV	Sep 09 17:09
TweetTuxMachines	(techrights.org)	Sep 09 17:09
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/nq9ng	Sep 09 17:09
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org \| Links 9/9/2015: Steam for GNU/Linux Rising, Plasma 5.4.1 is Out \| Techrights		Sep 09 17:09
schestowitz	https://twitter.com/jwildeboer/status/641645941347491840	Sep 09 17:15
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@jwildeboer: @schestowitz #blamesystemd ;-)		Sep 09 17:15
schestowitz	No, not for this one...	Sep 09 17:16
schestowitz	context: https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/641610226811203584	Sep 09 17:16
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz: A lot of the stuff I was able to do in #kde3 (~12 years ago) I was no longer able to do in #kde4 and Plasma 5 is the same re Plasma 4. Why?		Sep 09 17:16
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Today in Techrights http://t.co/1b9wOW61KG	Sep 09 17:23
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org \| Today in Techrights \| Tux Machines		Sep 09 17:23
schestowitz	https://twitter.com/ildiariopad/status/641649322514231297	Sep 09 17:28
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@ildiariopad: @schestowitz: “The next [ #EPO ]demonstration will take place on Tuesday 15 September” http://t.co/GqgowUCFif… http://t.co/gmxs9bDkEQ		Sep 09 17:28
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights--> t.co \| t.co / Twitter		Sep 09 17:28
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights--> ildiariopad.altervista.org \| @schestowitz: "The next [ #EPO ]demonstration will take place on Tuesday 15 September" http://t.co/4DQH4gIQPY #europe #patents #upc » Diario Pad notizie potenziate		Sep 09 17:28
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schestowitz	[15:18] [Notice] -TechrightsBot-tr to #techrights- www.independent.co.uk \| Homeopathy conference ends in chaos after delegates take hallucinogenic drug - Health News - Health & Families - The Independent [ http://ur1.ca/npu2t ]	Sep 09 17:41
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.independent.co.uk \| Homeopathy conference ends in chaos after delegates take hallucinogenic drug - Health News - Health & Families - The Independent		Sep 09 17:41
schestowitz	LOL	Sep 09 17:41
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schestowitz	https://twitter.com/i/redirect?url=https%3A%2F%2Ftwitter.com%2Fwikileaks%2Fstatus%2F641609927379828736%3Ft%3D1%26cn%3DZmxleGlibGVfcmVjcw%253D%253D%26sig%3D1a48b5a5152358a41281d2964bc44cd79d29f064%26al%3D1%26refsrc%3Demail%26iid%3De08c3ce7c39246f68bfda36af7d3cf03%26autoactions%3D1441816493%26uid%3D26603208%26nid%3D244%2B1489&t=1&cn=ZmxleGlibGVfcmVjcw%3D%3D&sig=0e7c416bf94e78f62898caec54a950c41a34df1c&iid=e08c3ce7c39246f68bfda36af7d3cf03&	Sep 09 17:52
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights- ( status 404 @ https://twitter.com/i/redirect?url=https%3A%2F%2Ftwitter.com%2Fwikileaks%2Fstatus%2F641609927379828736%3Ft%3D1%26cn%3DZmxleGlibGVfcmVjcw%253D%253D%26sig%3D1a48b5a5152358a41281d2964bc44cd79d29f064%26al%3D1%26refsrc%3Demail%26iid%3De08c3ce7c39246f68bfda36af7d3cf03%26autoactions%3D1441816493%26uid%3D26603208%26nid%3D244%2B1489&t=1&cn=ZmxleGlibGVfcmVjcw%3D%3D&sig=0e7c416bf94e78f62898caec54a950c41a34df1c&iid=e08c3ce7c39246f68bfda36a		Sep 09 17:52
schestowitz	uid=26603208&nid=244+1489	Sep 09 17:52
schestowitz	leads to https://twitter.com/wikileaks/status/641609927379828736	Sep 09 17:53
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@wikileaks: Julian #Assange on Jeremy Corbyn & US/UK special relationship https://t.co/Ob1fzgbPQJ		Sep 09 17:53
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights--> www.youtube.com \| Julian Assange on Jeremy Corbyn & US/UK special relationship - YouTube		Sep 09 17:53
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schestowitz	https://twitter.com/glynmoody/status/641658984609529856 https://twitter.com/GarrettCobarr/status/641659540174344192	Sep 09 18:09
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@glynmoody: @alexanderhanff @schestowitz yes, that struck me too: how is that a realistic solution (rhetorical question....)?		Sep 09 18:09
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@GarrettCobarr: @glynmoody @alexanderhanff @schestowitz Challenging #surveillance abuse by #NSA & their ilk on US citizens, not much better. Prove standing		Sep 09 18:09
MinceR	https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2007_cyberattacks_on_Estonia	Sep 09 18:10
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-en.wikipedia.org \| 2007 cyberattacks on Estonia - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia [ http://ur1.ca/nqaj8 ]		Sep 09 18:10
schestowitz	https://twitter.com/glynmoody/status/641659966617726976	Sep 09 18:10
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@glynmoody: @GarrettCobarr @alexanderhanff @schestowitz indeed		Sep 09 18:10
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DaemonFC	http://www.addictinginfo.org/2015/09/09/karma-came-quickly-for-the-journalist-who-kicked-and-tripped-refugees-on-camera-video/	Sep 09 19:12
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.addictinginfo.org \| Addicting Info – Karma Came Quickly For The Journalist Who Kicked And Tripped Refugees On Camera (VIDEO) [ http://ur1.ca/nqbcd ]		Sep 09 19:12
DaemonFC	MinceR, An Orban supporter?	Sep 09 19:13
MinceR	possibly	Sep 09 19:13
DaemonFC	The more I read about him, the more I say, "What an awful piece of shit...".	Sep 09 19:13
MinceR	could also be someone who mistakenly believes vona to be in opposition to orban	Sep 09 19:13
MinceR	(even though jobbik supports all the abuses fidesz/kdnp have committed so far)	Sep 09 19:14
DaemonFC	The EU is obviously not concerned about human rights, at least not anymore.	Sep 09 19:14
MinceR	indeed	Sep 09 19:14
DaemonFC	They should have expelled and sanctioned Hungary a long time ago.	Sep 09 19:14
MinceR	and this is probably due to the power of EPP	Sep 09 19:14
DaemonFC	The point of sanctions is to punish the people who have put that government in place until they change their minds.	Sep 09 19:15
MinceR	they rule the EU and have yet to kick fidesz out	Sep 09 19:15
DaemonFC	The suffering ends whenever they want it to.	Sep 09 19:15
MinceR	and the EU keeps funding hungary and keeping it around as a member	Sep 09 19:15
XRevan86	DaemonFC: I wonder why that doesn't work.	Sep 09 19:15
MinceR	religious fundamentalism will probably lead to the extinction of the human species	Sep 09 19:15
XRevan86	(seriously, it doesn't)	Sep 09 19:15
DaemonFC	XRevan86, The ability for sanctions to work is limited by how much the other economy depends on your support.	Sep 09 19:16
XRevan86	DaemonFC: It's like blackmailing.	Sep 09 19:16
DaemonFC	At this point, Hungary needs the EU single market more than Russia needed the US trade that was cut.	Sep 09 19:16
MinceR	if the payments ended, the hungarian economy would probably collapse immediately	Sep 09 19:16
DaemonFC	The sanctions have hurt Russia's economy more than ours though.	Sep 09 19:17
DaemonFC	If anything, it has improved our own jobs market.	Sep 09 19:17
XRevan86	DaemonFC: It is pretty hurt indeed.	Sep 09 19:17
MinceR	the drop of the price of oil also seems to have hurt russia's economy	Sep 09 19:17
DaemonFC	Jobs involving natural gas are being added faster than normal in the US.	Sep 09 19:17
MinceR	this is why they should have diversified instead of doing the same old shit	Sep 09 19:18
DaemonFC	MinceR, Yeah, it's certainly not helping them.	Sep 09 19:18
DaemonFC	They're not losing their asses on it, but it's not at the point where their federal budget comes close to balancing.	Sep 09 19:18
DaemonFC	One of the things that made Putin popular was balancing the federal budget and goosing the economy with government spending, but that's not the case anymore.	Sep 09 19:19
DaemonFC	If they want a balanced budget, it will require severe cuts in government spending. If they don't cut the spending, they'll run out of foreign currency reserves eventually, and have to inflate the Ruble.	Sep 09 19:20
MinceR	i wasn't aware of this "N1TV" but they sound like nazis	Sep 09 19:20
DaemonFC	Either way brings pain. Either they get an unemployment crisis and a recession or they devalue their currency and deal with an inflation crisis.	Sep 09 19:20
DaemonFC	That's really the problem with trying to set monetary policy No matter what you do, there are good and bad things that will come of it.	Sep 09 19:21
MinceR	http://www.theguardian.com/world/2015/sep/08/hungarian-nationalist-tv-camera-operator-filmed-kicking-refugee-children	Sep 09 19:21
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.theguardian.com \| Hungarian nationalist TV camera operator filmed kicking refugee children \| World news \| The Guardian [ http://ur1.ca/nqbgu ]		Sep 09 19:21
MinceR	"closely linked to the country’s far-right Jobbik party"	Sep 09 19:21
MinceR	very few people seem to care about human rights anymore	Sep 09 19:23
DaemonFC	The US has had a currency crisis before, like the kind in Weimar Germany or Zimbabwe.	Sep 09 19:25
MinceR	i was unaware of that	Sep 09 19:25
DaemonFC	Oh yeah.	Sep 09 19:25
DaemonFC	In the 1700s.	Sep 09 19:26
DaemonFC	The Congress was hamstrung by war debt, the Articles of Confederation (the original constitution), and the fact that the US dollar was new and represented a largely agrarian economy.	Sep 09 19:26
DaemonFC	The Articles left Congress with no power to levy taxes on anyone. They had to rely on voluntary contributions from the states, and the states mostly decided to ignore the requests.	Sep 09 19:27
MinceR	ic	Sep 09 19:27
DaemonFC	So Congress fired up the printing presses and the British were still trying to subvert us through counterfeiting, which never really stopped after the war.	Sep 09 19:28
DaemonFC	The Continental Dollar stopped passing as currency. Nobody would take it. A barter economy developed instead for a while.	Sep 09 19:28
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DaemonFC	The dollar is in no danger of having a crisis in the foreseeable future. Other currencies which were believed to threaten it (mostly the Euro), well.... Have you taken a look at the Euro lately? :)	Sep 09 19:31
DaemonFC	For a while, Germany was benefiting from it immensely, but now that looks like it's changing too.	Sep 09 19:33
DaemonFC	Orders for goods from German factories just took a dive this last month.	Sep 09 19:33
DaemonFC	Japan has turned into an old age colony and even currency devaluation and huge government stimulus packages aren't helping.	Sep 09 19:34
schestowitz	[19:25] <DaemonFC> The US has had a currency crisis before, like the kind in Weimar Germany or Zimbabwe.	Sep 09 19:36
schestowitz	I didn't know that either	Sep 09 19:36
DaemonFC	As in, it gets so bad that it stops passing for money. :)	Sep 09 19:36
schestowitz	safer than to invest in exchnageable things	Sep 09 19:37
DaemonFC	Twice if you count the Confederacy as the United States, but laws passed after the war voided the debt that they took on while they were in rebellion.	Sep 09 19:37
schestowitz	DaemonFC: ryan, did you ever pay those hospital bills?	Sep 09 19:37
schestowitz	Did they keep chasing you through proxies after all this time?	Sep 09 19:37
DaemonFC	Europe didn't want to get too involved. They knew that if the United States ended up winning that we would be pissed and turn our wartime economy on whoever helped the Confederate states.	Sep 09 19:38
DaemonFC	schestowitz, At this point, under state law... They're never going to get their money.	Sep 09 19:38
DaemonFC	The six year mark is actually today.	Sep 09 19:38
DaemonFC	So, it's considered uncollectable since the statute of limitations passed without a successful collection.	Sep 09 19:39
DaemonFC	I was in the hospital on September 9, 2009.	Sep 09 19:39
schestowitz	wow, i thought longer (ago) than that	Sep 09 19:39
schestowitz	they were grossly overchanrging anyway	Sep 09 19:39
DaemonFC	I managed to wait them out without being sued. Some people (with more stuff to take) aren't as lucky.	Sep 09 19:40
schestowitz	the hospitals can be like cartels in the US	Sep 09 19:40
schestowitz	well, other people probably show off their assets in FB	Sep 09 19:40
DaemonFC	Yeah. It's also better to not have any large bank balances.	Sep 09 19:40
schestowitz	and debt collectors can impersonate people to get into people's 'walls' for proof, without having to resort to surveillance agencies	Sep 09 19:41
schestowitz	nno warrants	Sep 09 19:41
DaemonFC	They can freeze your accounts, but they can't freeze cash.	Sep 09 19:41
schestowitz	I think that there was a case about this some years ago, some insurance company or something setting up bogus accounts	Sep 09 19:41
schestowitz	and got sued	Sep 09 19:41
DaemonFC	Yeah, I mostly hid everything on my Facebook page.	Sep 09 19:41
schestowitz	yes, greezing accounts is more than money seizures	Sep 09 19:41
DaemonFC	Only friends of friends can send me a friend request.	Sep 09 19:42
schestowitz	can cut off your cables and other billables	Sep 09 19:42
DaemonFC	I used a robots.txt to keep search engines from indexing it.	Sep 09 19:42
schestowitz	therein lies the real punishment, it's like sanction/stragulation	Sep 09 19:42
schestowitz	*ngulation	Sep 09 19:42
DaemonFC	I went through the public records sites and managed to get my info taken down from all of them.	Sep 09 19:42
DaemonFC	I had a problem with one called Intelius that was started by an ex-Microsoft manager.	Sep 09 19:43
schestowitz	is this why you deleted your blogs/s and twitter account?	Sep 09 19:43
DaemonFC	They wanted me to send a copy of my state ID and everything. Instead, I contacted the state attorney general and had him contact them.	Sep 09 19:43
DaemonFC	They sent a letter back to me telling me they decided to comply rather than have me push forward with a consumer protection complaint.	Sep 09 19:44
DaemonFC	Yeah.	Sep 09 19:44
MinceR	at least there's consumer protection in the usa	Sep 09 19:44
DaemonFC	Those bill collectors will do anything. It doesn't even matter if it's legal or not.	Sep 09 19:44
MinceR	unlike hungary, where there's jack shit	Sep 09 19:44
DaemonFC	I disappeared as much as I could. Changed my telephone number a couple of times.	Sep 09 19:44
MinceR	the state-run consumer protection agency takes its wages from our taxes and then proceeds to sit with its thumbs up its asses.	Sep 09 19:45
DaemonFC	They filed a collection account on my credit report.	Sep 09 19:45
DaemonFC	All of the collection accounts I have on there will be gone by the end of next year though.	Sep 09 19:45
schestowitz	they wanted $3000 for one night at the hospital?	Sep 09 19:46
schestowitz	Here it would be free	Sep 09 19:46
schestowitz	and the tax associated with NHS is like an order of magnitude lower than this amount	Sep 09 19:46
DaemonFC	schestowitz, No. $11,500 + $500 from the doctor for three hours in the hospital.	Sep 09 19:46
schestowitz	so maybe you have agenciies that help protect you, but from who? The medical mafia? Which should be eliminated for delivering no value and leading many to needless death...	Sep 09 19:47
schestowitz	LOL	Sep 09 19:47
schestowitz	$12k	Sep 09 19:47
schestowitz	That's like a whole year's savings	Sep 09 19:47
schestowitz	for a decent salaried role	Sep 09 19:47
schestowitz	and three hours over a seizure	Sep 09 19:48
DaemonFC	Yes.	Sep 09 19:48
schestowitz	better not faint again	Sep 09 19:48
schestowitz	if you must, die quickly	Sep 09 19:48
DaemonFC	If you stop paying all of your bills for a year, including your rent.	Sep 09 19:48
schestowitz	!google grayson die quickly	Sep 09 19:48
TechrightsBot-tr	[1] - Alan Grayson on the GOP Health Care Plan: "Don't Get Sick! And if ... \| http://www.youtube.com/watch%3Fv%3D-usmvYOPfco	Sep 09 19:48
TechrightsBot-tr	[2] - Alan Grayson - Wikiquote \| https://en.wikiquote.org/wiki/Alan_Grayson	Sep 09 19:48
TechrightsBot-tr	[3] - Alan Grayson "Die Quickly" Comment Prompts Uproar - CBS News \| http://www.cbsnews.com/news/alan-grayson-die-quickly-comment-prompts-uproar/	Sep 09 19:48
TechrightsBot-tr	[4] - Six Most Outrageous Quotes from Rep. Alan Grayson \| Mother Jones \| http://www.motherjones.com/politics/2010/01/best-quotes-alan-grayson	Sep 09 19:48
schestowitz	to force you to buy into the insurance cartel	Sep 09 19:49
schestowitz	or always just rent everything, lviing on the brink	Sep 09 19:49
DaemonFC	Exactly. Now it's not even optional.	Sep 09 19:49
schestowitz	makes more obedient workers	Sep 09 19:49
DaemonFC	You HAVE to buy insurance. Or you pay the federal tax agency a huge fine.	Sep 09 19:49
schestowitz	trying to avoid eviction every months... when making ends meet means food on the table and a roof	Sep 09 19:49
schestowitz	(or living with your gradma, when all else fails)	Sep 09 19:49
DaemonFC	By 2017, the fine will be like 3% of your gross income or $1,095, whichever is more.	Sep 09 19:49
DaemonFC	So, basically, they'll seize your entire tax return.	Sep 09 19:50
DaemonFC	The law doesn't let them file a lien on your house, car, or bank accounts over the no insurance tax.	Sep 09 19:50
DaemonFC	But they can just keep taking your entire tax return forever.	Sep 09 19:50
schestowitz	here they take money for NHS, deducted	Sep 09 19:51
schestowitz	maybe it's for the better for you, depending how much is covered and at what fares	Sep 09 19:51
schestowitz	they'll probably cover too little and make it as overpriced as it is now	Sep 09 19:51
DaemonFC	So if you're going to owe them money, you go to your HR, fill out a new W4, and take another deduction.	Sep 09 19:51
DaemonFC	You'll owe them income tax that was unpaid at the end of the year plus the no insurance fine.	Sep 09 19:51
DaemonFC	Take the total amount of both, subtract the fine, and send them the income tax amount.	Sep 09 19:52
DaemonFC	Then there's nothing they can do to get the rest.	Sep 09 19:52
schestowitz	I'm glad I neer moved to the US	Sep 09 19:52
DaemonFC	At least, assuming the government follows its own laws.	Sep 09 19:52
schestowitz	(I was close to it, already nearly applied for colleges there)	Sep 09 19:52
DaemonFC	That's a big if these days.	Sep 09 19:52
DaemonFC	schestowitz, Yeah, basically everyone knows someone from the UK, Canada, Australia, etc.	Sep 09 19:53
DaemonFC	They hop on a plane and go home if they get sick, assuming they can.	Sep 09 19:53
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DaemonFC	A US hospital sent a Canadian woman a $1 million hospital bill for going into labor and having a baby in Washington state.	Sep 09 19:54
DaemonFC	schestowitz, And the minimum acceptable insurance under Obamacare costs most people a fucking fortune and doesn't cover anything, really.	Sep 09 19:55
schestowitz	!google sued for creating fake account to spy on woman	Sep 09 19:55
TechrightsBot-tr	[1] - Feds Using Fake Online Profiles To Spy On Suspects - Huffington Post \| http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2010/03/16/fbi-uses-fake-facebook-pr_n_500776.html	Sep 09 19:55
TechrightsBot-tr	[2] - DEA set up fake Facebook account to impersonate woman and spy ... \| http://www.policestateusa.com/2014/sondra-arquiett/	Sep 09 19:55
TechrightsBot-tr	[3] - DEA created a fake Facebook profile in this woman's name using ... \| http://www.washingtonpost.com/news/morning-mix/wp/2014/10/07/dea-created-a-fake-facebook-profile-in-this-womans-name-using-seized-pics-then-impersonated-her/	Sep 09 19:55
TechrightsBot-tr	[4] - Woman sues federal agent over fake Facebook profile used in drug ... \| http://www.theguardian.com/world/2014/oct/07/fake-facebook-dea-agent-lawsuit-sondra-arquiett	Sep 09 19:55
DaemonFC	If you're making over 400% of what the goveernment declares to be the poverty level that year for your household size, you get stuck with no subsidy and the insurance mandate.	Sep 09 19:55
schestowitz	Ah, DEA	Sep 09 19:56
schestowitz	they also get phone records	Sep 09 19:56
schestowitz	so similar to spying agencies either way	Sep 09 19:56
DaemonFC	So, basically, for an individual who makes just above like $44,000 and some change, they get into that situation.	Sep 09 19:56
schestowitz	!google dea records call	Sep 09 19:56
TechrightsBot-tr	[1] - U.S. secretly tracked billions of calls for decades - USA Today \| http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/2015/04/07/dea-bulk-telephone-surveillance-operation/70808616/	Sep 09 19:56
TechrightsBot-tr	[2] - DEA program secretly collected bulk phone records for decades ... \| http://thehill.com/policy/technology/238135-dea-program-collected-bulk-records-on-americans-international-calls	Sep 09 19:56
TechrightsBot-tr	[3] - Original Phone Record Dragnet Faces Lawsuit - US News & World ... \| http://www.usnews.com/news/articles/2015/04/09/original-us-phone-record-dragnet-finally-faces-lawsuit	Sep 09 19:56
TechrightsBot-tr	[4] - Human Rights Watch Sues DEA Over Bulk Collection of Americans ... \| https://www.eff.org/press/releases/human-rights-watch-sues-dea-over-bulk-collection-americans-telephone-records	Sep 09 19:56
DaemonFC	Then their insurance costs like $700-800 a month just for the basic plan.	Sep 09 19:56
schestowitz	[1] was the original/exclusive at the time	Sep 09 19:56
DaemonFC	It's only a good deal if you're poor.	Sep 09 19:56
DaemonFC	The deal gets worse, the more money you make.	Sep 09 19:57
DaemonFC	So it's a perverse incentive to stay poor.	Sep 09 19:57
schestowitz	I hope they treat the poor better	Sep 09 19:57
DaemonFC	If you make $15,000 that year, you get insurance for $20 a month.	Sep 09 19:57
schestowitz	the US has a lot of poverty (compared to 'first world' countries)	Sep 09 19:57
DaemonFC	If you make $45,000 that year, it can be $1,200 for the same coverage.	Sep 09 19:57
schestowitz	maybe gun crime will decline if the poor feel less separate	Sep 09 19:58
DaemonFC	So you make more money, but then you lose about $14,000 of it.	Sep 09 19:58
schestowitz	better to have spouse	Sep 09 19:58
schestowitz	for tax purposes at the very least	Sep 09 19:58
DaemonFC	So, workers are doing what they can to earn less money.	Sep 09 19:58
schestowitz	two salaries for same family aren't taxes as one cululative	Sep 09 19:58
schestowitz	which i think in itself is a bit of a loophole	Sep 09 19:59
DaemonFC	That way, the government pays their insurance bills and why work harder if they're just going to take it away from you anyway?	Sep 09 19:59
schestowitz	and an incentive to marry	Sep 09 19:59
schestowitz	saving to buy a house as a single person is hard everywhere	Sep 09 19:59
schestowitz	[19:59] <DaemonFC> That way, the government pays their insurance bills and why work harder if they're just going to take it away from you anyway?	Sep 09 19:59
DaemonFC	schestowitz, No. There's an incentive not to get married.	Sep 09 19:59
schestowitz	That's why I and my wife's cousins aren't too eager to take extra work	Sep 09 19:59
schestowitz	the more you work, the less you get per hour	Sep 09 19:59
schestowitz	so it's better to keep it balanced lower	Sep 09 20:00
DaemonFC	A lot of federal benefits say things like "You qualify if you make less than $1400 a month as an individual or $2,000 a month as a married couple."	Sep 09 20:00
schestowitz	My brother pays almost 40% of his salary to deductables	Sep 09 20:00
schestowitz	40%	Sep 09 20:00
schestowitz	it's like he's wasting his time subsidizing the state	Sep 09 20:00
DaemonFC	That's why the Congressional Budget Office said that gay marriage would reduce the federal deficit by $100 million a year.	Sep 09 20:00
MinceR	the government should not meddle in private affairs.	Sep 09 20:00
DaemonFC	And that was before the insurance reform law.	Sep 09 20:00
schestowitz	and he's not alone, I saw others who worked their arse off just for a gross (on paper) high wage	Sep 09 20:00
DaemonFC	MinceR, The United States is turning into a god damned kleptocracy right before our eyes.	Sep 09 20:01
schestowitz	the US is more amusing than the UK	Sep 09 20:01
MinceR	yes	Sep 09 20:01
schestowitz	I often get the impression people there are easier to fool, and politicians capitalise on it	Sep 09 20:01
DaemonFC	schestowitz, The message to people who want to do better is "Don't do better. The government will just seize all of it.".	Sep 09 20:01
MinceR	meanwhile, some people hold up a long-entrenched kleptocracy as the shining example that must be followed	Sep 09 20:01
schestowitz	"the American people", "Hope", "in God"...	Sep 09 20:01
schestowitz	wouldn't fly here	Sep 09 20:01
MinceR	it seems that "in God" does fly there	Sep 09 20:02
schestowitz	even the royals here have become a bit of a laughing stock, naked emperors	Sep 09 20:02
MinceR	considering cameron's and his pals' success	Sep 09 20:02
schestowitz	old people vote for Tories	Sep 09 20:02
MinceR	and the corresponding human rights abuses	Sep 09 20:02
schestowitz	and there aren't many children here	Sep 09 20:02
schestowitz	low birth rates compared to the world, maybe above average for western europe	Sep 09 20:03
schestowitz	and increasing longevity	Sep 09 20:03
DaemonFC	schestowitz, Yeah, I saw a guy outside Buckingham Palace singing something like "The queen is much better than us and she deserves another palace!" to the tune of "God Save the Queen".	Sep 09 20:03
schestowitz	so enough idiots still who like their teas, scones, and queen Liz	Sep 09 20:03
DaemonFC	The police were....annoyed.	Sep 09 20:03
schestowitz	and they vote Tories, or worse, UKIP	Sep 09 20:03
schestowitz	and murdoch's papers keep telling them why it's a GOod Idea	Sep 09 20:03
schestowitz	[20:03] <DaemonFC> schestowitz, Yeah, I saw a guy outside Buckingham Palace singing something like "The queen is much better than us and she deserves another palace!" to the tune of "God Save the Queen".	Sep 09 20:04
schestowitz	!google holyrood queen	Sep 09 20:04
TechrightsBot-tr	[1] - Holyrood Week - The British Monarchy \| http://www.royal.gov.uk/RoyalEventsandCeremonies/HolyroodWeek/HolyroodWeek.aspx	Sep 09 20:04
TechrightsBot-tr	[2] - Visit The Queen's Gallery, Palace of Holyroodhouse \| https://www.royalcollection.org.uk/visit/the-queens-gallery-palace-of-holyroodhouse	Sep 09 20:04
TechrightsBot-tr	[3] - Queen takes part in ceremony receiving her into Edinburgh for ... \| http://www.dailymail.co.uk/femail/article-3144982/Glorious-green-Queen-provides-flash-colour-florals-takes-ancient-ceremony-receive-city-Edinburgh-Holyrood-week.html	Sep 09 20:04
TechrightsBot-tr	[4] - Holyrood Palace - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia \| https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Holyrood_Palace	Sep 09 20:04
schestowitz	She already has her arse in some other palaces	Sep 09 20:04
schestowitz	and she charged my wife and my mom to enter to merely see it from the inside	Sep 09 20:04
schestowitz	last year	Sep 09 20:04
MinceR	DaemonFC: lol	Sep 09 20:04
schestowitz	it's right opposite the scottish parliment	Sep 09 20:05
schestowitz	which adds insult to injury	Sep 09 20:05
MinceR	probably deliberately so	Sep 09 20:05
schestowitz	popular Scottish parties like SNP want to cut off Westminster	Sep 09 20:05
schestowitz	while 'her majesty' is across the road jiggling her wealth	Sep 09 20:05
schestowitz	she hardly ever visits it	Sep 09 20:06
DaemonFC	schestowitz, Didn't they try to get her on welfare to pay her $40,000 utility bills? :)	Sep 09 20:06
MinceR	lol	Sep 09 20:06
MinceR	welfare Queen?	Sep 09 20:06
schestowitz	her car came by our house 2 years ago, I saw her sitting there surrounded by like a dozen motorcycles... hence the hidden high cost of 'royal' family	Sep 09 20:06
DaemonFC	I saw that in the news a few years back and when they were caught the guy that did it basically said "Oops.".	Sep 09 20:06
schestowitz	!google buckingham refurb	Sep 09 20:07
TechrightsBot-tr	[1] - Queen 'may be forced out of Buckingham Palace' during building's ... \| http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/home-news/queen-may-be-forced-out-of-buckingham-palace-during-buildings-150m-refurbishment-10340682.html	Sep 09 20:07
TechrightsBot-tr	[2] - This is why Buckingham Palace needs a £150 million refurbishment ... \| http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/buckingham-palace-needs-150-million-5938912	Sep 09 20:07
TechrightsBot-tr	[3] - The Queen could move out of Buckingham Palace while £150m ... \| http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/queen-could-move-out-buckingham-5938367	Sep 09 20:07
TechrightsBot-tr	[4] - Queen might have to move out of Buckingham Palace amid ... \| http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/queen-elizabeth-II/11694694/Queen-might-have-to-move-out-of-Buckingham-Palace-amid-151million-of-repairs.html	Sep 09 20:07
schestowitz	but no money for disabled people and hungry old people	Sep 09 20:07
DaemonFC	MinceR, Yeah. Some sort of welfare intended to pay utility bills for the poor.	Sep 09 20:07
DaemonFC	They tried to get the palace on that program.	Sep 09 20:07
DaemonFC	Fucking thiefs.	Sep 09 20:07
DaemonFC	Parasiting off the working folks.	Sep 09 20:07
MinceR	indeed	Sep 09 20:07
schestowitz	is this true?	Sep 09 20:08
schestowitz	Or exaggerated for drama?	Sep 09 20:08
DaemonFC	!google queen utility bill	Sep 09 20:08
TechrightsBot-tr	[1] - Queen Creek, AZ : Pay Your Utility Bill \| http://www.queencreek.org/community/pay-your-utility-bill	Sep 09 20:08
TechrightsBot-tr	[2] - Online Account Access for Town of Queen Creek \| https://www.iwebms.net/queencreek	Sep 09 20:08
TechrightsBot-tr	[3] - Ways to Pay Your Bill - NYC.gov \| http://www.nyc.gov/html/dep/html/water_and_sewer_bills/index.shtml	Sep 09 20:08
TechrightsBot-tr	[4] - The Queen is hit by energy price rises as utility bills soar by £1m ... \| http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2459014/The-Queen-hit-energy-price-rises-utility-bills-soar-1m.html	Sep 09 20:08
schestowitz	welfare usually is enough to cover utility, food	Sep 09 20:08
DaemonFC	hmm	Sep 09 20:08
DaemonFC	need to search for that	Sep 09 20:08
schestowitz	you'd probably have to living with other family members, unless they also give you a council house	Sep 09 20:08
DaemonFC	http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1314446/The-Queen-pleads-poverty-help-Buckingham-Palace-heating-bill.html	Sep 09 20:08
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.dailymail.co.uk \| The Queen pleads poverty for help with Buckingham Palace heating bill \| Daily Mail Online [ http://ur1.ca/nqc2q ]		Sep 09 20:08
schestowitz	to apply for one you might have to be a vet, disabled, unable to work, retired etc.	Sep 09 20:08
schestowitz	dailyfail is not reliable	Sep 09 20:09
DaemonFC	http://www.nydailynews.com/news/world/queen-elizabeth-ii-utility-bills-subsidized-gov-program-low-income-residents-article-1.439368	Sep 09 20:09
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.nydailynews.com \| NO TITLE [ http://ur1.ca/nqc37 ]		Sep 09 20:09
schestowitz	maybe it's not heating bill and not poverty	Sep 09 20:09
DaemonFC	"Unable to keep up with rising utility costs at Buckingham Palace, Queen Elizabeth II once sought a handout to help pay palace heating bills from a government program that subsidizes heating costs for the poor."	Sep 09 20:09
schestowitz	ah, maybe a hoax	Sep 09 20:09
schestowitz	maybe someone signed her up for it	Sep 09 20:10
DaemonFC	http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/home-news/queen-tried-to-use-state-poverty-fund-to-heat-buckingham-palace-2088179.html	Sep 09 20:10
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.independent.co.uk \| Queen tried to use state poverty fund to heat Buckingham Palace - Home News - UK - The Independent [ http://ur1.ca/nqc3i ]		Sep 09 20:10
DaemonFC	Yeah, it wasn't her personally.	Sep 09 20:10
schestowitz	it would be foolish to attempt otherwsiee	Sep 09 20:10
schestowitz	ah, ok, maybe some staff of the palace	Sep 09 20:10
schestowitz	and likely reprimanded or fired after bad press	Sep 09 20:10
schestowitz	40k to heat it up?	Sep 09 20:10
DaemonFC	The US experimented with public housing up until about the 1980s.	Sep 09 20:10
schestowitz	per month?	Sep 09 20:10
DaemonFC	It gave us things like Cabrini-Green.	Sep 09 20:11
schestowitz	Maybe she should switch energy sources...	Sep 09 20:11
schestowitz	my electric+gas bill is about 50 a month	Sep 09 20:11
schestowitz	for 2 people	Sep 09 20:11
DaemonFC	Infamous poverty concentration. 5-6 people killed in the projects every night.	Sep 09 20:11
schestowitz	maybe 60, depending on the season	Sep 09 20:11
MinceR	maybe she should get a fucking job already	Sep 09 20:11
schestowitz	brb	Sep 09 20:11
schestowitz	she had a job	Sep 09 20:11
MinceR	parasite	Sep 09 20:11
schestowitz	she was queen	Sep 09 20:11
MinceR	that's not a job	Sep 09 20:11
schestowitz	she was waving hello	Sep 09 20:11
DaemonFC	So the public housing policy is now vouchers to private landlords mostly. When you do scatter-site, things like gangs don't form as easily.	Sep 09 20:12
schestowitz	yesterday i saw in M&S some plates	Sep 09 20:12
schestowitz	"royal wedding"	Sep 09 20:12
schestowitz	And it says Willian and Catherine on it	Sep 09 20:12
MinceR	that's like saying janos kadar worked hard	Sep 09 20:12
DaemonFC	Unfortunately, there's projects leftover from the 60s and 70s. Like Eden Green in Fort Wayne.	Sep 09 20:12
schestowitz	these were "Discounted" now	Sep 09 20:12
schestowitz	i could buy them just to puke on them	Sep 09 20:12
DaemonFC	That's where all the crime is. Shootings every day.	Sep 09 20:12
MinceR	maybe he licked the asses of the russians hard	Sep 09 20:12
MinceR	but that's hardly "work"	Sep 09 20:12
schestowitz	!google cameron compares putin to hitler	Sep 09 20:13
TechrightsBot-tr	[1] - David Cameron and the cynicism of comparing Putin to Hitler \| Owen ... \| http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2014/sep/03/david-cameron-cynicism-comparing-vladimir-putin-adolf-hitler-ukraine	Sep 09 20:13
TechrightsBot-tr	[2] - David Cameron warns of 'appeasing Putin as we did Hitler' \| Politics ... \| http://www.theguardian.com/politics/2014/sep/02/david-cameron-warns-appeasing-putin-ukraine-hitler	Sep 09 20:13
TechrightsBot-tr	[3] - David Cameron 'compares Vladimir Putin's Russia to Nazi Germany ... \| http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/australasia/david-cameron-compares-vladimir-putins-russia-to-nazi-germany-ahead-of-tense-meeting-9860264.html	Sep 09 20:13
TechrightsBot-tr	[4] - David Cameron compares Vladimir Putin's Russia to Hitler's ... \| http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/world-news/david-cameron-compares-vladimir-putins-4631945	Sep 09 20:13
DaemonFC	schestowitz, Welfare doesn't really make as much sense when there's 20 million people who would still have no jobs even if there was a perfect skills match.	Sep 09 20:13
schestowitz	no provocation there...	Sep 09 20:13
DaemonFC	That's the situation here in the US.	Sep 09 20:13
MinceR	DaemonFC: how common are apartment buildings like Cabrini-Green in the USA?	Sep 09 20:13
MinceR	putin _is_ like hitler	Sep 09 20:13
DaemonFC	20 million people who are permanently unemployable no matter what. Government doesn't talk about it.	Sep 09 20:14
MinceR	and putin is being appeased like hitler was	Sep 09 20:14
schestowitz	putler	Sep 09 20:14
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MinceR	the nazis got the beating they deserved	Sep 09 20:14
MinceR	but the commies never did	Sep 09 20:14
DaemonFC	MinceR, They're more common in major cities.	Sep 09 20:14
DaemonFC	Cabrini-Green was torn down.	Sep 09 20:14
MinceR	now we have a second cold war, and the third world war is coming	Sep 09 20:14
schestowitz	Hungary has been reduced from empire to jobbik racist carnival	Sep 09 20:14
DaemonFC	Obama has the authority to end unemployment, at least in theory.	Sep 09 20:15
schestowitz	Germany rose back	Sep 09 20:15
schestowitz	Greek is another Zimbabwe, it seems...	Sep 09 20:15
schestowitz	*Greece	Sep 09 20:15
DaemonFC	The Humphrey-Hawkins act (1978?) authorizes the government to create jobs for anyone who can't get one in the private sector, but it's never been invoked.	Sep 09 20:15
DaemonFC	They don't want to do expensive public works projects because of the cost, even though there are tons of things that really need done.	Sep 09 20:15
MinceR	DaemonFC: i see	Sep 09 20:16
DaemonFC	There are at least several flood control reservoirs in Indiana that need to be enlarged because of the amount of rain that we've been getting.	Sep 09 20:16
DaemonFC	At least a 15% enlargement of three just in the counties surrounding me. Congress won't do anything until the dams break and several entire cities are under three or four feet of water.	Sep 09 20:17
DaemonFC	If they enlarged the reservoirs now in anticipation of this sort of thing becoming more common, they would spend only about 1-2% of the cost of cleaning up that sort of disaster.	Sep 09 20:18
DaemonFC	We have the most ignorant and corrupt Congress now of my lifetime.	Sep 09 20:18
DaemonFC	They used to care, then they used to pretend to care. Now they just tell the constituents to eat shit, and they get re-elected anyway, so that's what they do.	Sep 09 20:19
DaemonFC	That entire branch of government is pretty close to an entire breakdown.	Sep 09 20:20
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DaemonFC	You've got the president and the Supreme Court trying to do as much as they can without Congress.	Sep 09 20:21
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DaemonFC	I'm glad that they dismantled the gay marriage ban laws. It was becoming a national embarrassment. A sign of just how far back we were. Oh, and the conservatives howled.	Sep 09 20:22
DaemonFC	"We had a vote on your rights and decided fair and square that you don't have them!"	Sep 09 20:22
DaemonFC	The Supreme Court said, "Fuck you. That's not how it works. Next!". A rare moment where some of my faith in the system was restored. Don't worry. It won't last long. They'll be back to no good in short order.	Sep 09 20:23
MinceR	are those apartement buildings shitty too? (stuff like lack of thermal and sound insulation, bad layout, cramped spaces, low quality)	Sep 09 20:25
DaemonFC	MinceR, The American Recovery and Reinvestment Act included some funding to renovate and modernize, to an extent.	Sep 09 20:26
DaemonFC	Since the government pays the utility bills too, it made sense to make them more energy and water efficient.	Sep 09 20:26
DaemonFC	Of course, that passed with no Republican votes at all.	Sep 09 20:26
DaemonFC	MinceR, The public housing for white people in rural areas is managed by a program through the US Department of Agriculture.	Sep 09 20:27
DaemonFC	Then they can defund Section 8 for poor black people in the major cities without hurting the Republican voters.	Sep 09 20:27
MinceR	ic	Sep 09 20:27
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MinceR	just as i suspected, the russian communist-style shit we get doesn't fly in the us	Sep 09 20:28
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Sailfish OS 2.0 UI Now In Early Access	Sep 09 20:28
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines DNF 1.1.1 and DNF-PLUGINS-CORE 0.1.11 Released	Sep 09 20:28
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org \| DNF 1.1.1 and DNF-PLUGINS-CORE 0.1.11 Released \| Tux Machines		Sep 09 20:28
MinceR	even the doors are badly designed here	Sep 09 20:28
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines New open source tool to help reporters rethink	Sep 09 20:28
TweetTuxMachines	quotes in stories http://t.co/AplR6lEmcX	Sep 09 20:28
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DaemonFC	MinceR, They let it get to the point where the old stuff was from the 70s, 80s, and 90s. Obviously, you replace a refrigerator from the 90s and an air conditioner from the late 80s, there's going to be some big efficiency gains.	Sep 09 20:29
DaemonFC	The toilets were those old 3 gallon per flush monsters from before the 1993 law that banned them and replaced them with the 1.5 gallon models.	Sep 09 20:30
DaemonFC	The Republicans didn't like that law. Conservation isn't real popular with them.	Sep 09 20:30
MinceR	you don't have the flush mechanisms that stop when you release the string/lever?	Sep 09 20:30
DaemonFC	Well, the first models weren't very good. They were just the same design with smaller tanks, so you had to flush 2-3 times. But they got better.	Sep 09 20:31
DaemonFC	Now they use air pressure to assist the flushing mechanism, and they work fine.	Sep 09 20:31
DaemonFC	That's why when Senator Rand Paul (R-Kentucky) got up in the Senate in 2012 and complained about his toilet for 30 minutes, I was like "Where the hell has he been?".	Sep 09 20:32
MinceR	:)	Sep 09 20:33
DaemonFC	MinceR, My state representative sent out a survey asking for ideas on how to save Indiana taxpayers money.	Sep 09 20:34
DaemonFC	I replied "Abolish the Indiana House of Representatives and send your pay and benefits back to the General Fund. Make the state Senate the legislature, like Nebraska.".	Sep 09 20:34
DaemonFC	I also put that on his Facebook wall. Never got a reply.	Sep 09 20:36
DaemonFC	Changing the state constitution requires the same amendment to pass in three consecutive sessions of the General Assembly, and then the governor has to sign it, and then it is up for an up or down approval vote by the public in the next election year.	Sep 09 20:37
DaemonFC	The last big win that we got was eliminating township tax assessors. I voted in favor of eliminating that position and firing all of them, and transferring their duties to the county assessor. It saves the state about $350,000 a year.	Sep 09 20:38
DaemonFC	Indiana just has too many levels of government. (Former) Governor Daniels wanted to get rid of Townships entirely, and I agreed, but he never got the rest of the Township elimination amendments passed. I would have voted in favor of all of them.	Sep 09 20:39
DaemonFC	The last time the government layout was significantly reformed was in 1865, so a lot of it has become an irrelevant holdover.	Sep 09 20:40
DaemonFC	One small city can have 5-6 townships in it, and they all have their own officials. It's completely stupid.	Sep 09 20:40
DaemonFC	I'd eliminate and streamline it if it was up to me, but the only way I get to vote on it is if the people who are part of that bloated unnecessary structure say I can. :P	Sep 09 20:42
DaemonFC	schestowitz, Yeah, Parkview Hospital is buttering up Fort Wayne.	Sep 09 20:49
DaemonFC	They have their own hospital police.	Sep 09 20:49
DaemonFC	They moved out of the city to avoid taxes.	Sep 09 20:49
DaemonFC	They bought the naming rights to a bunch of stuff. They "donate" to build walking trails and stuff.	Sep 09 20:49
DaemonFC	They throw all this money around and they got it by sending ridiculous hospital bills to people.	Sep 09 20:50
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Toradex preps first Freescale i.MX7-based COMs	Sep 09 23:13
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines LibreOffice 5.0.2 to Feature a Lot of DOCX	Sep 09 23:13
TweetTuxMachines	Fixes http://t.co/WlfDclHi3C	Sep 09 23:13
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DaemonFC	Gizmodo wrote an article that says that Apple's fetal monitor is the best thing they've ever done for women. I replied, "The best thing they've done for pregnant women ever since forcing them to work with hazardous chemicals for 20 cents an hour in a factory with suicide nets.".	Sep 09 23:45
MinceR	http://imgur.com/gallery/m00tubZ	Sep 09 23:48
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-imgur.com \| Domo arigato. - Imgur		Sep 09 23:48
MinceR	the best thing crApple can do for women is to become defunct	Sep 09 23:48
DaemonFC	J. R. Bob Dobbs (formerly ZOMG Pink Ponies) says:	Sep 09 23:54
DaemonFC	https://support.apple.com/en-us/HT201412	Sep 09 23:54
DaemonFC	"If your iPhone, iPad, or iPod touch doesn't respond or doesn't turn on"	Sep 09 23:54
DaemonFC	Otherwise known as crashing, freezing, and bombing out. But Apple banned those terms in their employee handbook.	Sep 09 23:54
DaemonFC	If all else fails, get a smartphone next time. :)	Sep 09 23:54
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-support.apple.com \| If your iPhone, iPad, or iPod touch doesn't respond or doesn't turn on - Apple Support		Sep 09 23:54
DaemonFC	Control the language and you control how people are allowed to think.	Sep 09 23:55
MinceR	in the case of crApple, do they not think because they can't or because they aren't allowed to?	Sep 09 23:57
DaemonFC	J. R. Bob Dobbs (formerly ZOMG Pink Ponies) says:	Sep 10 00:01
DaemonFC	http://www.rawstory.com/2015/09/houston-cops-shoot-unarmed-black-patient-in-hospital-and-then-charge-him-with-assault/	Sep 10 00:01
DaemonFC	Texas police shot an unarmed black man in a hospital, unprovoked, and then charged him with assault.	Sep 10 00:01
DaemonFC	The neglect of the mental health condition that drove him to check himself into the hospital in the first place was probably due to the pump and dump nature of American hospitals. Unless you're rich or have insurance, they dump you out on the street with the minimum possible amount of treatment.	Sep 10 00:01
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.rawstory.com \| Houston cops shoot unarmed black patient in hospital — and then charge him with assault [ http://ur1.ca/nqew8 ]		Sep 10 00:01
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DaemonFC	MinceR, They're using soft language. When they have to admit that there's bugs they use soft language.	Sep 10 00:40
DaemonFC	There's an "issue". They'll "resolve" it. Your computer didn't crash and freeze. It "stopped responding".	Sep 10 00:40
MinceR	and yet their products suck	Sep 10 00:46
MinceR	all the trickery can't make up for the fact that they omit essential functionality and severely cripple what remains	Sep 10 00:46
MinceR	and implement it at bargain basement quality, and provide worthless support for it	Sep 10 00:46
DaemonFC	MinceR, There was an old style army plane that someone was flying a few hundred feet above the reservoir while we were swimming.	Sep 10 00:46
DaemonFC	It made me think of that scene from GTA V.	Sep 10 00:47
DaemonFC	Trevor is going to have to crash land a plane.	Sep 10 00:47
DaemonFC	Michael says "Those poor farmers!".	Sep 10 00:47
DaemonFC	Trevor says "They aren't farming anything down there but meth!".	Sep 10 00:47
MinceR	:>	Sep 10 00:48
DaemonFC	https://scontent-ord1-1.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-xpa1/v/t1.0-9/10665818_262168230659882_2960500663487330238_n.jpg?oh=1a8610b9e0230d455f7c1b64140ab08b&oe=56A6B69A	Sep 10 00:59
MinceR	:)	Sep 10 01:01
cubexyz	there's different types of non-responsiveness	Sep 10 01:12
cubexyz	you can be locked out of almost everything: keyboard, mouse even ssh and still recover via a serial terminal	Sep 10 01:12
cubexyz	depends on the kernel state	Sep 10 01:13
MinceR	if you said that a crApple luser, they too would enter a state of non-responsiveness	Sep 10 01:14
DaemonFC	http://thinkprogress.org/health/2015/09/08/3699290/impending-insurance-mergers/	Sep 10 01:26
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-thinkprogress.org \| Experts: Pending Health Insurance Mergers Will Hit Patients Right In The Wallet \| ThinkProgress [ http://ur1.ca/nqfur ]		Sep 10 01:26
DaemonFC	They can buy each other up and then render the comparison shopping on the marketplace useless since there will only be one or two health insurance companies left in the country.	Sep 10 01:28
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Top 5 Upcoming Linux-Based Smartphone Operating	Sep 10 01:33
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines For the iPhone 6s, Apple stole some of	Sep 10 08:35
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Canonical Patches Critical Linux Kernel	Sep 10 08:35
TweetTuxMachines	Vulnerability in Ubuntu 15.04, Update Now	Sep 10 08:35
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Introducing Pi-Cubes, Ubuntu Snappy	Sep 10 08:35
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Node.js Fork is Done as Node v 4.0.0 Released	Sep 10 08:58
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Manjaro Linux Xfce 15.09 Release Candidate 2 Is	Sep 10 08:58
TweetTuxMachines	Now Available for Download	Sep 10 08:58
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines The Mycroft AI Still Needs Your Help to Land on	Sep 10 09:08
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Linux Foundation Diversity Scholarship Profile:	Sep 10 09:08
TweetTuxMachines	Bonnie King https://t.co/uKwIHggSps	Sep 10 09:08
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schestowitz	MinceR: https://www.joindiaspora.com/posts/6575888	Sep 10 09:20
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schestowitz	https://twitter.com/FOSSpatents/status/641897602557063168	Sep 10 10:04
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schestowitz	> http://www.datamation.com/open-source/should-windows-be-linuxs-design-model.html	Sep 10 10:16
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schestowitz	> hell no	Sep 10 10:16
schestowitz	The title was chosen by my former boss to provoke, to attract hits. It's his style, framing it as questions...	Sep 10 10:16
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines The Mycroft AI Still Needs Your Help to Land on	Sep 10 10:43
TweetTuxMachines	the Linux Desktop http://t.co/b9X5rK7TJ7	Sep 10 10:43
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MinceR	043612 < cubexyz> my other idea of using two serial ports for two serial terminals won't work	Sep 10 13:13
MinceR	why not?	Sep 10 13:13
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Should Windows Be Linux's Design Model?	Sep 10 13:23
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Linux Kernel Developer Workspaces Video: Hans	Sep 10 13:23
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines The Mycroft Voice Recognition AI for Linux	Sep 10 13:23
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines SteamOS Brewmaster Based on Debian 8 Prepares	Sep 10 13:36
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MinceR	http://www.datamation.com/open-source/should-windows-be-linuxs-design-model.html	Sep 10 13:49
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MinceR	funny, _now_ he doesn't want windows in */linux?	Sep 10 13:49
msb__	I got my CPU core temps from 73C down to 51 and 60C by blowing the dust out of the heatsink. Didn't have to shut it down. I got these "eraser sticks" and if you take out the cap and the eraser core you get a cylinder and nozzle that makes a high-speed stream of air when you blow into it. I blew thru the CPU fan into the heatsink, which being an aftermarket job had wider spacing between the fins. After I finished choking on the	Sep 10 13:50
msb__	dust (from the fans, too) it was much cooler.	Sep 10 13:50
MinceR	doesn't that run the risk of generating current in the fan?	Sep 10 13:51
msb__	No, it doesn't even change the fan rotational speed.	Sep 10 13:52
msb__	I hadn't looked at the temperature graphs in the sys monitor for months, and when I did they were much higher than I remembered.	Sep 10 13:53
msb__	How about using the MS butterfly as the design model for a Linux trashcan?	Sep 10 13:54
MinceR	:)	Sep 10 13:55
msb__	The air stream I was blowing in was only about 1/4 inch diameter, and the fan is about 4-5 inches diameter.	Sep 10 13:55
msb__	MinceR: Has the day come when you could look at that David Korten video? You said recently that crApple users can't think, and you've said that people want to be slaves, but _you_ are a person and you don't want to be a slave. Neither do the other people who speak up here, and many more out on the Net.	Sep 10 14:01
MinceR	i think it has	Sep 10 14:01
MinceR	i viewed a couple of videos yesterday	Sep 10 14:01
msb__	https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jPiZJ5N9TkY	Sep 10 14:02
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MinceR	(i downloaded a lot of videos into the same directory, with the intent of eventually viewing them)	Sep 10 14:02
MinceR	http://news.mit.edu/2015/first-new-cache-coherence-mechanism-30-years-0910	Sep 10 14:04
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msb__	I've been getting halts in streaming from youtube lately, so you might want to download it with youtube-dl and watch it from your disk.	Sep 10 14:04
MinceR	i did that	Sep 10 14:05
MinceR	video playing is a lot smoother and easier on the hardware if i don't do it with a browser	Sep 10 14:05
msb__	Youtube-dl doesn't use the browser, and it gives you a choice of the various formats the video comes in. The ones that are about 360 pixels high show all the detail (to my old eyes) and are about 1/4 the size of the 720 high. -F shows the formats and -f n lets you choose one,	Sep 10 14:09
MinceR	i know	Sep 10 14:09
msb__	The download time is much less than the viewing time of the video. I sometimes get 2MBytes/sec download.	Sep 10 14:11
MinceR	http://hijinksensue.com/comic/surface-tension/	Sep 10 14:12
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights- ( status 403 @ http://hijinksensue.com/comic/surface-tension/ )		Sep 10 14:12
msb__	Everybody copies everyone else. In a sane society that would be considered a good thing (but not saying you had invented it).	Sep 10 14:15
msb__	Using other people's good ideas is how technology and civilization evolve.	Sep 10 14:16
MinceR	https://www.hrw.org/news/2015/09/01/letter-obama-regarding-plan-close-guantanamo-bay-detention-facility	Sep 10 14:16
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.hrw.org \| Letter to Obama regarding plan to close the Guantanamo Bay detention facility \| Human Rights Watch [ http://ur1.ca/nqogl ]		Sep 10 14:16
MinceR	yes, but crApple is the one that keeps screaming that they invented everything and they'll sue everyone else, including the ones who did it before them	Sep 10 14:17
MinceR	https://github.com/systemd/systemd/issues/1205	Sep 10 14:17
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-github.com \| systemd fails to provide a proper rescue prompt · Issue #1205 · systemd/systemd · GitHub [ http://ur1.ca/nqoh8 ]		Sep 10 14:17
msb__	If high-level government officials actually guilty of war crimes were to end up in a supermax prison, it would include the two previous US presidents and the current one.	Sep 10 14:20
MinceR	they'll get away with it	Sep 10 14:21
msb__	Was it Apple that tried to sue someone over a rectangular screen with rounded corners?	Sep 10 14:21
MinceR	indeed	Sep 10 14:21
MinceR	they sued samsung	Sep 10 14:21
MinceR	even though samsung sold such devices before crApple did	Sep 10 14:21
MinceR	and so did others	Sep 10 14:21
msb__	Etch-a-Sketch sold devices before crApple did.	Sep 10 14:22
MinceR	the samsung F700 looked about as similar to the hypePhone as the galaxy S, for which crApple sued samsung	Sep 10 14:22
MinceR	the F700 was released before the first hypePhone	Sep 10 14:22
MinceR	also, the LG Prada was also similar enough, and that too came out before the hypePhone	Sep 10 14:23
MinceR	the crApple cult keeps saying that crApple invented the capacitive touchscreen	Sep 10 14:23
MinceR	but the LG Prada had one before the hypePhone	Sep 10 14:23
MinceR	Samsung sold picture frames that looked like some Samsung tablets and the hypePad from the front (close enough to be sued) before either, and they still got attacked for "stealing" the design of the hypePad	Sep 10 14:24
cubexyz	MinceR, ah I tried something a bit silly	Sep 10 14:24
msb__	Apple has come a long way since the days of Woz, all downhill.	Sep 10 14:24
MinceR	also, crApple stole the design of the hypePhone from Sony	Sep 10 14:24
MinceR	woz is a nutcase	Sep 10 14:25
msb__	How so?	Sep 10 14:25
MinceR	he can't decide whether to attack free software or not	Sep 10 14:25
cubexyz	using one serial cable to go in both directions didn't work	Sep 10 14:25
MinceR	to woz, free software is about people not wanting to pay for stuff	Sep 10 14:25
MinceR	cubexyz: i see	Sep 10 14:25
cubexyz	so next time I'll just use two serial cables on two serial ports for two serial terminals	Sep 10 14:25
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cubexyz	vector box to openbsd and openbsd to vector box	Sep 10 14:26
MinceR	crApple also regularly steals designs from Braun	Sep 10 14:26
cubexyz	MinceR, but didn't woz invent the PC? :)	Sep 10 14:27
MinceR	he didn't invent shit	Sep 10 14:27
MinceR	crApple can't even invent brands	Sep 10 14:27
cubexyz	give him some credit for the Apple 1	Sep 10 14:27
msb__	He invented that nice NTSC color circuit for the Apple II.	Sep 10 14:27
MinceR	the iPhone was a cisco/linksys product	Sep 10 14:28
MinceR	IOS was a cisco OS	Sep 10 14:28
MinceR	iPAD was a Fujitsu product	Sep 10 14:28
MinceR	nobody cares about the stupid ntsc color circuit	Sep 10 14:29
MinceR	afaik nobody else used it	Sep 10 14:29
cubexyz	there were PAL and SECAM Apple II's	Sep 10 14:29
cubexyz	Australians used PAL version I think	Sep 10 14:30
MinceR	and then there was this >> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Apple_III#Design_flaws	Sep 10 14:30
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cubexyz	I hate how wikipedia forces https	Sep 10 14:31
MinceR	why?	Sep 10 14:31
MinceR	keeps spooks from knowing what you read and screwing with the contents	Sep 10 14:31
cubexyz	well, it just means I can't use a low memory browser like Dillo	Sep 10 14:31
msb__	MinceR: It was a brilliant invention using only 1 or 2 standard chips.	Sep 10 14:31
MinceR	and results in greater backlash on countries that would censor it	Sep 10 14:31
MinceR	even low memory browsers should support TLS in 2015	Sep 10 14:32
cubexyz	ok, well X11 forwarding to the rescue then	Sep 10 14:32
MinceR	:)	Sep 10 14:32
cubexyz	those were Apple III design flaws though	Sep 10 14:32
MinceR	indeed	Sep 10 14:32
cubexyz	the Apple II, although over-priced, was a decent machine	Sep 10 14:33
MinceR	and they targeted their products exclusively at idiots starting with the Lisa	Sep 10 14:33
msb__	Well Apple did invent the window-icon-menu-pointer paradigm used in the Lisa.	Sep 10 14:34
msb__	Oh, wait.	Sep 10 14:34
MinceR	lol	Sep 10 14:34
cubexyz	no... Xerox PARC dude :)	Sep 10 14:34
cubexyz	Xerox Alto and Xerox Star were before Lisa	Sep 10 14:35
msb__	cubexyz: I know -- just kidding.	Sep 10 14:35
cubexyz	I still remember it appearing in SciAm	Sep 10 14:35
MinceR	not Douglas Engelbart might have done some work on those before he went to Xerox PARC	Sep 10 14:35
MinceR	i don't know	Sep 10 14:35
msb__	But at the West Coast Computer Faire when the Lisa was first demoed, I took notes.	Sep 10 14:35
MinceR	s/^not //	Sep 10 14:35
cubexyz	Stanford Research also deserves a lot of credit	Sep 10 14:38
msb__	I want a voice-input device for my computer so I can tell it to compute pi to the last decimal place.	Sep 10 14:38
MinceR	lol	Sep 10 14:38
cubexyz	http://www.maxhost.org/other/w-window-system.gif	Sep 10 14:39
msb__	I think the first mouse was made on a piece of wood.	Sep 10 14:39
msb__	I use one of these. It's great and it looks like a one-eyed alien slug. https://secure.logitech.com/en-us/product/trackman-marble	Sep 10 14:43
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MinceR	i seem to remember such a picture	Sep 10 14:43
MinceR	it also had two wheels instead of a ball	Sep 10 14:43
cubexyz	that's right	Sep 10 14:43
MinceR	https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Altair_8800	Sep 10 14:43
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MinceR	"the first successful personal computer", according to wikipedia	Sep 10 14:43
MinceR	(referred at https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Motorola_6800#Personal_computers )	Sep 10 14:44
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cubexyz	assuming you don't count the IBM 5100	Sep 10 14:44
cubexyz	or the IMSAI 8080 :)	Sep 10 14:44
MinceR	maybe they don't think those were successful :)	Sep 10 14:45
cubexyz	the Sphere computer was cheaper and came out the same year	Sep 10 14:45
cubexyz	and you could buy a monitor for it	Sep 10 14:46
cubexyz	there were a bunch of ones from 1976 that did 32x16 text	Sep 10 14:46
msb__	No, _this_ was the first personal computer: http://cosmicpenguin.com/images/pc_of_future.jpg	Sep 10 14:47
cubexyz	no, I'm not clicking on that again :)	Sep 10 14:47
MinceR	wikipedia says the 8800 came out before the 5100 and the 8080	Sep 10 14:47
MinceR	:)	Sep 10 14:47
msb__	Note steering wheel for games!	Sep 10 14:47
MinceR	i don't think that was for games	Sep 10 14:47
msb__	Or steering your submarine.	Sep 10 14:48
MinceR	:)	Sep 10 14:48
cubexyz	ok...Mark-8 was 1974, before the Altair	Sep 10 14:48
cubexyz	and the Xerox Alto II was before Altair :)	Sep 10 14:49
MinceR	nice	Sep 10 14:49
cubexyz	and there was that Canadian machine, I'm trying to remember	Sep 10 14:50
cubexyz	oh yeah	Sep 10 14:50
cubexyz	MCM/70	Sep 10 14:50
cubexyz	I forget what year, but it was definitely before Altair	Sep 10 14:50
MinceR	the Alto was too expensive to be a home computer though, wasn't it?	Sep 10 14:50
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cubexyz	first built in 1973	Sep 10 14:50
cubexyz	http://www.maxhost.org/other/altairs-suck.jpg	Sep 10 14:51
MinceR	:D	Sep 10 14:51
cubexyz	not everybody liked Altair :)	Sep 10 14:51
cubexyz	yeah, the Alto was like $20K or something	Sep 10 14:51
cubexyz	https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MCM/70	Sep 10 14:52
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msb__	That picture from SWTP or whatever -- their machine used a 6502 and was hell to program.	Sep 10 14:52
msb__	But very cheap.	Sep 10 14:53
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cubexyz	Altair 8800 was $439 US in kit form	Sep 10 14:53
msb__	Basically 8-bit addressing. Aggh!	Sep 10 14:53
cubexyz	$621 assembled	Sep 10 14:53
cubexyz	did it use bank switching or something because without 16-bit addressing you can only address 256 bytes of memory	Sep 10 14:57
cubexyz	wait, 6502 has 16-bit addressing	Sep 10 14:57
msb__	But for most instructions you could only access one particular 256 byte page at a time.	Sep 10 14:59
MinceR	sounds like the "registers" of the PIC	Sep 10 15:00
MinceR	that thing was hell to program	Sep 10 15:00
msb__	6502 was best programmed in BASIC.	Sep 10 15:01
cubexyz	well if you were writing a chess program you probably would have had to use assembly language	Sep 10 15:03
cubexyz	or at least BASIC compiled + assembler	Sep 10 15:03
cubexyz	that's what I did for my early cube programs	Sep 10 15:04
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cubexyz	it was a primitive environment to be sure	Sep 10 15:05
cubexyz	disk IO was very slow	Sep 10 15:05
cubexyz	but at least I understood most of the machine	Sep 10 15:06
msb__	I set up one of those SWTP boxes as a satellite to a DG Eclipse computer. The little one would take data rapidly from an A/D converter measuring some experiment parameter, and then send it slowly over a serial line to the Eclipse. Ah, there it is: http://www.swtpc.com/mholley/	Sep 10 15:06
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cubexyz	in the early 1980s just having a computer in the home was quite a novelty	Sep 10 15:07
cubexyz	surely you learned 6502 assembly language?	Sep 10 15:09
msb__	The 6502 box program was loaded from a standard audio tape recorder, with the help of an improved circuit from this great guy who had a monthly column in maybe Popular Electronics. I can't remember his name.	Sep 10 15:09
cubexyz	of course, in 1975 I wonder if they even had an assembler for it	Sep 10 15:09
cubexyz	I know the Unix assembler goes back to the PDP-7 era	Sep 10 15:10
msb__	Don Lancaster! He's still there! http://www.tinaja.com/	Sep 10 15:10
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cubexyz	given a choice I'll rather have a PDP-11/20 :)	Sep 10 15:12
msb__	And pay 100 times as much for it.	Sep 10 15:19
cubexyz	I couldn't afford anything in 1975 anyways	Sep 10 15:20
cubexyz	not even the SWTP computer	Sep 10 15:20
msb__	The idea was to have one of these $200 6502 boxes in each lab, each one communicating to the Eclipse via a serial line. It was a good sharing of resources.	Sep 10 15:21
msb__	The audio tape drive interface on the SWTP box didn't really work until I put Don Lancaster's circuit mod on it.	Sep 10 15:22
cubexyz	I assume it had rom basic, so when you turned it on it was in basic?	Sep 10 15:23
msb__	It was like having a bunch of PDP-8 satellite computers, but at a tiny fraction of the cost.	Sep 10 15:23
msb__	Probably, but I don't remember.	Sep 10 15:24
cubexyz	which OS did the Eclipse use?	Sep 10 15:24
msb__	The old one, not the good one, but beyond that...	Sep 10 15:25
cubexyz	no Unix I guess	Sep 10 15:25
cubexyz	can't recall any Unix port to that machine	Sep 10 15:25
msb__	No, maybe the new good one had Unix.	Sep 10 15:25
cubexyz	Interdata 7/32, PDP-11, and later on Vax 780	Sep 10 15:27
cubexyz	wikipedia says AOS for Eclipse	Sep 10 15:27
msb__	I personally specified that Eclipse computer, and arranged with the broker to get a particular machine with the specs we needed. But the UCSF purchasing department rewrote the order, eliminating my details. The one we got was all wrong, and the broker had already sold the good one to Communist China. Presumably for guiding their ICBMs.	Sep 10 15:28
cubexyz	ah, there was MV/UX which was Unix under AOS/VS	Sep 10 15:29
msb__	I think AOS was the newer OS.	Sep 10 15:29
cubexyz	so they did have it later on	Sep 10 15:29
msb__	The old one was maybe DGOS or something.	Sep 10 15:29
msb__	Hey, it had Fortran!	Sep 10 15:29
msb__	I got pretty good at Fortran.	Sep 10 15:30
cubexyz	it's still used	Sep 10 15:30
cubexyz	although I haven't used it in ages	Sep 10 15:30
msb__	It's the only thing for submarine steering wheels!	Sep 10 15:31
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msb__	Back then I think there was some weird trick you had to use for addressing arrays, which was subsequently fixed.	Sep 10 15:36
cubexyz	I remember some very early BASICs had 256-byte limited arrays	Sep 10 15:37
cubexyz	or limited to 256 elements at least	Sep 10 15:37
amarsh04	also worth a read of "the soul of a new machine" on the 32-bit version of the Eclipse	Sep 10 15:50
schestowitz	>>> >> PS. Citizenfour was on TV last night on a main channel. It was ok but	Sep 10 16:02
schestowitz	>>> >> my Brazilian is not good enough to do more than get the gist of what was	Sep 10 16:02
schestowitz	>>> >> said towards the end. I have the feeling that the details there were	Sep 10 16:02
schestowitz	>>> >> important.	Sep 10 16:02
schestowitz	>> >	Sep 10 16:02
schestowitz	>> > The impact of the Snowden leaks has been sunsetting as of late (this summer)	Sep 10 16:02
schestowitz	> There's only so much time to spread around on various crises. Of late,	Sep 10 16:02
schestowitz	> TISA, ISDS, and TTIP are finally getting noticed locally. I just	Sep 10 16:02
schestowitz	> forwarded some Glyn Moody articles to someone the other day as a result.	Sep 10 16:02
schestowitz	> I'm glad he had those available. However, the politicians here are	Sep 10 16:02
schestowitz	> apparently completely unaware of TTIP and co.	Sep 10 16:02
schestowitz	Ignorance leads to apathy, which leads to inaction.	Sep 10 16:02
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schestowitz	https://joindiaspora.com/posts/6564869	Sep 10 16:23
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: "The problem isn't running in the foreground, but systemd's process group handling." https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=783683 yes, #systemd in #debian		Sep 10 16:23
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-SSL connect error ( status 0 @ https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=783683 )		Sep 10 16:23
schestowitz	"	Sep 10 16:23
schestowitz	Cronos: systemd removed a bunch of kill-s is scripts that might have also broken your system in odd and unexpected ways. So this one packaging bug means that systemd is broken?	Sep 10 16:23
schestowitz	Dr. Roy: no. This bug didn’t cause crond not to run. Crond was restarted properly.	Sep 10 16:23
schestowitz	"	Sep 10 16:23
schestowitz	"	Sep 10 16:23
schestowitz	As I said, in all these many years I have been working with Linux servers I remember broken systems after upgrading apache, PHP, the kernel, Gnome … But no, no init upgrade comes to my mind breaking things. Also I give those projects the benefit of the doubt, I can see the Linux kernel today is a lot better than the Linux kernel 5 years ago.	Sep 10 16:23
schestowitz	In the case of systemd, I’m still to see the benefits of so many changes and broken things.	Sep 10 16:23
schestowitz	"	Sep 10 16:23
schestowitz	https://joindiaspora.com/posts/6577370	Sep 10 16:23
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: The number of scripts & number of DOMAINS that #scribd links to with #javascript is astounding. It's like #spying is their business model.		Sep 10 16:23
schestowitz	"	Sep 10 16:23
schestowitz	Well, giving document hosting for free might not be profitable. =)	Sep 10 16:23
schestowitz	By the way I do not like scribd.	Sep 10 16:23
schestowitz	"	Sep 10 16:23
schestowitz	I do not like PDF, either.	Sep 10 16:23
schestowitz	https://joindiaspora.com/posts/6515918	Sep 10 16:24
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: Sadly, to quite a lot of people RMS is a "nuisance" for starting the system which they use for free, Torvalds a celebrated hero. #gnu #linux		Sep 10 16:24
schestowitz	"So what positives are there to Systemd, if any?"	Sep 10 16:24
schestowitz	The systemd developers might be the best people to ask and I doubt even they can give a good answer.	Sep 10 16:24
MinceR	they can give lies, though	Sep 10 16:28
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Viper550	Microsoft REALLY wants people to use Vista 10. www.theinquirer.net/inquirer/news/2425381/microsoft-is-downloading-windows-10-to-your-machine-just-in-case	Sep 10 16:39
MinceR	this makes me glad my computers are not part of the m$ botnet	Sep 10 16:40
Viper550	but thenagain, I personally think the latest article is a little ... exaggerated. The so-called "universal reset" is just a checkbox enabled by default. I believe they call those a Dark Pattern	Sep 10 16:41
Viper550	http://darkpatterns.org/windows-8-1-installation-february-2014/	Sep 10 16:42
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-darkpatterns.org \| Windows 8.1 Installation (February 2014) \| Dark Patterns - User Interfaces Designed to Trick People [ http://ur1.ca/nqqh6 ]		Sep 10 16:42
MinceR	Dark Pattern sounds evil enough	Sep 10 16:42
schestowitz	https://twitter.com/glynmoody/status/641999983772872704	Sep 10 16:44
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@glynmoody: @schestowitz thanks, that's good to hear; another big article coming up soon...		Sep 10 16:44
schestowitz	Viper550: wow	Sep 10 16:50
schestowitz	interesting, I've just shared that	Sep 10 16:50
Viper550	that is IF they have automatic updates enabled	Sep 10 16:50
schestowitz	does it get future versions of Windows too?	Sep 10 16:51
schestowitz	And if this in the EULA?	Sep 10 16:51
msb__	It's like "Genuine Advantage", which is an advantage for MS, but can be disaster for the user.	Sep 10 16:53
MinceR	not sure if it's really an advantage even for m$	Sep 10 16:56
MinceR	they're idiots, they can't plan ahead	Sep 10 16:56
MinceR	then again, most people are idiots, so they're easy to manipulate and mislead	Sep 10 16:56
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Viper550	oh, and I read through slashdot comments and found this gem:	Sep 10 17:04
Viper550	“On other news, linux distributions started downloading systemd to users that did not want it.”	Sep 10 17:05
MinceR	lol	Sep 10 17:05
schestowitz	ha	Sep 10 17:05
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Viper550	and Debian's peddling telemetry too, something innocously called "popularity-contest"	Sep 10 17:07
MinceR	it asks you on install and it's off by default, iirc	Sep 10 17:07
MinceR	also, m$ calling spying "telemetry" is an insult to actual telemetry	Sep 10 17:08
MinceR	afaik it's a bit more difficult than what m$'s code monkeys do in the breaks between eating glue	Sep 10 17:08
Viper550	/sarcasm	Sep 10 17:11
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DaemonFC	I got a letter from Sprint. They said I didn't return my femtocell and that I'll owe them $140 if I don't. I have the return receipt right here in my email.	Sep 10 17:16
MinceR	http://imgur.com/gallery/McQfOfb	Sep 10 17:18
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schestowitz	https://joindiaspora.com/posts/6577726	Sep 10 17:21
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: The world increasingly needs #privacy and for this we need #freesw (no back doors). Effective whistleblowers can't exist without privacy.		Sep 10 17:21
schestowitz	"But we must fight surveiilance politically - we mustn’t accept surveillence as a principle. We shouldn’t be put on the back foot. Without court orders, invasion of privacy must be a crime - whether committed by private, corporate or state persons."	Sep 10 17:21
schestowitz	Good reasons to support ACLU, EFF, Privacy Int. etc.	Sep 10 17:21
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schestowitz	https://joindiaspora.com/posts/6577705	Sep 10 17:25
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: If media #propaganda continues in the #uk those who 'dare' to question the potency (never mind legality) of drone strikes will be "enemy"		Sep 10 17:25
schestowitz	"We are all the enemy, hence the security measures. Those who dare question are the Oliver Twists not ACCEPTING the state of affairs - therefore they are selected for special treatment - some get bribed - former dissidents are valuable - the Big Brother theme - resistance is futile - you will love Big Brother."	Sep 10 17:25
schestowitz	remaining dissidents will feel isolated, unsupported, and then be called "crazy"	Sep 10 17:25
schestowitz	https://twitter.com/agente_smithe/status/642010794310418432	Sep 10 17:26
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@agente_smithe: @schestowitz You bet, systemd is the winblow$ 8 of Linux.		Sep 10 17:26
schestowitz	[17:07] <MinceR> it asks you on install and it's off by default, iirc	Sep 10 17:26
schestowitz	it is	Sep 10 17:26
schestowitz	so a little different	Sep 10 17:26
schestowitz	also used for other purposes	Sep 10 17:26
schestowitz	and the info gets published to the user	Sep 10 17:26
schestowitz	bot hoarded for intel' purposes	Sep 10 17:26
schestowitz	https://twitter.com/iridesce57/status/642011055175168000	Sep 10 17:27
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@iridesce57: @schestowitz I'm sure its in the mind numbing portion of the EULA		Sep 10 17:27
msb__	MinceR: Most people are NOT idiots! They are trained to obey authority and believe what they are told. People are easily programmed, especially when they're only told one side of an issue, and they're told repeatedly, from different sources. But that's what the American Empire does. It puts out the same stories through multiple corporate newspapers and TV stations. It's been called "The Mighty Wurlitzer" -- a powerful sound you	Sep 10 17:30
msb__	hear no matter which way you turn. So people believe it, whether it's from government or corporations. This is what Edward Bernays told them to do to control people.	Sep 10 17:30
MinceR	yet they fall for shit like religions	Sep 10 17:32
msb__	MinceR: Societies did not always control people like this. It started about 5,000 years ago with the JCI religions. Please read The Chalice and the Blade by Riane Eisler.	Sep 10 17:32
MinceR	it's on my list	Sep 10 17:33
msb__	Do you have a copy?	Sep 10 17:33
MinceR	not yet	Sep 10 17:33
MinceR	it's not on libgen, afaict	Sep 10 17:33
MinceR	also, i doubt it hasn't occurred to anyone before judaism	Sep 10 17:35
MinceR	do you have an epub or a pdf or a djvu, etc?	Sep 10 17:36
*TweetTuxMachines @vytautas_a favourited 'Human Interface Guidelines (HIG) for the Unix shell...'		Sep 10 17:39
*TweetTuxMachines @vytautas_a favourited 'Human Interface Guidelines (HIG) for the Unix shell...'		Sep 10 17:39
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines SparkyLinux - Lightweight & fast Debian-based	Sep 10 17:39
TweetTuxMachines	Linux Distribution http://t.co/U7MbD4uOAw	Sep 10 17:39
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Five Stunning Ubuntu Alternatives That You’ve	Sep 10 17:39
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines SUSE – “Will not diverge from its Open Source	Sep 10 17:39
TweetTuxMachines	roots!” http://t.co/8qIzVbz4Lc	Sep 10 17:39
TweetTuxMachines	(www.tuxmachines.org)	Sep 10 17:39
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MinceR	i've found a pdf	Sep 10 17:40
schestowitz	https://twitter.com/jurasick/status/642014755822170114 https://twitter.com/jurasick/status/642015273315401728	Sep 10 17:43
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@jurasick: @schestowitz Trump said yesterday "if I am president, US will win so much, Americans will get tired of winning"!! Or that he would get (1/2)		Sep 10 17:43
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@jurasick: @schestowitz 4 Americans imprisoned in Iran released before he gets to the White House!! Trump's blow hardness knows no bounds! (2/2)		Sep 10 17:43
MinceR	and that extreme blowhardness apparently works with many people	Sep 10 17:44
msb__	Imagine him with huge red banners behind him with swastikas on them.	Sep 10 17:47
msb__	"Winning" is almost almost always wrong. Because if somebody "wins" then somebody else loses.	Sep 10 17:49
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Trying Out The Open-Source NVIDIA/Nouveau	Sep 10 17:50
TweetTuxMachines	Driver Rework In Linux 4.3	Sep 10 17:50
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org \| Trying Out The Open-Source NVIDIA/Nouveau Driver Rework In Linux 4.3 \| Tux Machines		Sep 10 17:50
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines elementary OS Is Really Trying to Make Me Hate	Sep 10 17:50
TweetTuxMachines	It and It's Succeeding http://t.co/u12Rxd4eBa	Sep 10 17:50
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msb__	tRump is starting to scare me. There may be enough programmed people in the US to vote him in. And he will antagonize the rest of the world.	Sep 10 17:53
MinceR	so, no change	Sep 10 17:54
MinceR	republican business as usual	Sep 10 17:54
MinceR	which is little different from democrat business as usual	Sep 10 17:54
msb__	Will I have to vote for Hillary Clinton, the murderer of Libya, to keep him out? Gack!	Sep 10 17:54
MinceR	not if you manage to get Lessig or Sanders get the democrat nomination	Sep 10 17:55
schestowitz	https://twitter.com/jurasick/status/642016803091283968	Sep 10 17:55
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@jurasick: @schestowitz here they all are! http://t.co/CT7Y8CQJqE. What a man, what a joke. Makes me want to give up on democracy!		Sep 10 17:55
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights--> uproxx.com \| Donald Trump’s Most Outrageous Quotes From His Protest On Capitol Hill		Sep 10 17:55
MinceR	also, there are other parties	Sep 10 17:55
MinceR	like the greens and the libertarians	Sep 10 17:55
msb__	True on both counts. But I thin tRump is a lot smarter than George W Bush, who seemed to have a below-average intelligence. And tRump is a lot more bold, too.	Sep 10 17:55
MinceR	according to Scott Adams, Trump is using NLP	Sep 10 17:56
schestowitz	Trump would reinforce the perception of US as arrogant	Sep 10 17:56
schestowitz	that might wake more nations up	Sep 10 17:56
schestowitz	bad for USians though	Sep 10 17:56
msb__	In the American two-party winner-take-all system, minority parties have no chance and no power.	Sep 10 17:56
MinceR	close to no chance	Sep 10 17:56
MinceR	but if the people realize that there's not much of a difference between the two big parties, this can change	Sep 10 17:57
schestowitz	heh. Maybe Bill gates will run for democrats	Sep 10 17:57
MinceR	lol	Sep 10 17:57
schestowitz	to 'save the day'	Sep 10 17:57
schestowitz	Monsanto for free.... to everyone	Sep 10 17:57
schestowitz	and MS spyware as mandatory	Sep 10 17:57
schestowitz	executive order	Sep 10 17:57
msb__	"not much of a difference" will just make them choose one of the two at random.	Sep 10 17:58
MinceR	also, trump might only be posturing to win the republican nomination	Sep 10 17:58
MinceR	he may become less extreme once that's done	Sep 10 17:58
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Should Windows Be Linux's Design Model?	Sep 10 17:58
TweetTuxMachines	http://t.co/q0D2CzGgLp (www.datamation.com)	Sep 10 17:58
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.datamation.com \| Should Windows Be Linux's Design Model? - Datamation		Sep 10 17:58
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Linux Kernel Developer Workspaces Video: Hans	Sep 10 17:58
TweetTuxMachines	Verkuil http://t.co/dUp6wvDZtJ (www.linux.com)	Sep 10 17:58
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.linux.com \| Linux Kernel Developer Workspaces Video: Hans Verkuil \| Linux.com		Sep 10 17:58
MinceR	no, if they really understood that, they'd be looking for real alternatives	Sep 10 17:58
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Lollipop chews off 21% of Android devices	Sep 10 17:58
TweetTuxMachines	http://t.co/d7EhQHyBRv (www.cnet.com)	Sep 10 17:58
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.cnet.com \| Lollipop chews off 21% of Android devices - CNET		Sep 10 17:59
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msb__	Wishful thinking, since we know he has it in him.	Sep 10 17:59
msb__	If they really understood things, they'd be supporting Bernie Sanders.	Sep 10 17:59
MinceR	and of course the people could initiate a new Constitutional Convention and fix the election system	Sep 10 18:00
MinceR	http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-Ih554K9omt4/VfGNxF1iRJI/AAAAAAAAaWE/EtVUhrbziPU/s1600/funny-english-language-united-states.jpg	Sep 10 18:00
msb__	Too drastic for it to ever happen.	Sep 10 18:00
msb__	Good one!	Sep 10 18:02
MinceR	there was even a hypothesis that trump is only trying to get the republican nomination to help his friend hillary clinton get elected	Sep 10 18:03
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines elementary OS Is Really Trying to Make Me Hate	Sep 10 18:04
TweetTuxMachines	It and It's Succeeding http://t.co/HVruJQJ0IA	Sep 10 18:04
TweetTuxMachines	(news.softpedia.com)	Sep 10 18:04
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Trying Out The Open-Source NVIDIA/Nouveau	Sep 10 18:04
TweetTuxMachines	Driver Rework In Linux 4.3	Sep 10 18:04
TweetTuxMachines	http://t.co/ZJDbnS7MBN (www.phoronix.com)	Sep 10 18:04
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/nqrkv	Sep 10 18:04
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.phoronix.com \| Trying Out The Open-Source NVIDIA/Nouveau Driver Rework In Linux 4.3 - Phoronix		Sep 10 18:04
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Five Stunning Ubuntu Alternatives That You’ve	Sep 10 18:04
TweetTuxMachines	Never Heard Of http://t.co/rPFBGKnKXi	Sep 10 18:04
TweetTuxMachines	(www.makeuseof.com)	Sep 10 18:04
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.makeuseof.com \| Five Stunning Ubuntu Alternatives That You've Never Heard Of		Sep 10 18:04
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/nqrkw	Sep 10 18:04
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines SparkyLinux - Lightweight & fast Debian-based	Sep 10 18:05
TweetTuxMachines	Linux Distribution http://t.co/B0QOu6F5nG	Sep 10 18:05
TweetTuxMachines	(www.kitploit.com)	Sep 10 18:05
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.kitploit.com \| SparkyLinux - Lightweight & fast Debian-based Linux Distribution		Sep 10 18:05
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/nqrkx	Sep 10 18:05
msb__	Wowie! Fifty new Linux distros that will give you an orgasmic user experience and they all have systemd!	Sep 10 18:06
MinceR	lol	Sep 10 18:07
MinceR	fifty new linux distros are nearly the same!	Sep 10 18:07
MinceR	and once systemdnf comes out, they can just slap their logo on the fedora iso and they're good to go.	Sep 10 18:07
msb__	You'll love it until Big Brother appears on your screen flashing at the alpha frequency and totally controlling your mind.	Sep 10 18:08
MinceR	my mind is not so easy to control	Sep 10 18:08
msb__	Well, you're not using systemd, either.	Sep 10 18:09
MinceR	indeed	Sep 10 18:09
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Qt To Get Possible Speech Recognition API	Sep 10 18:15
TweetTuxMachines	http://t.co/F2x14SkO4q (www.phoronix.com)	Sep 10 18:15
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/nqrqi	Sep 10 18:15
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.phoronix.com \| Qt To Get Possible Speech Recognition API - Phoronix		Sep 10 18:15
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines The Mycroft Voice Recognition AI for Linux	Sep 10 18:15
TweetTuxMachines	Desktops Gets Funded http://t.co/eG37lEVn84	Sep 10 18:15
TweetTuxMachines	(news.softpedia.com)	Sep 10 18:15
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-news.softpedia.com \| The Mycroft Voice Recognition AI for Linux Desktops Gets Funded - Softpedia		Sep 10 18:15
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/nqrqj	Sep 10 18:15
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines SteamOS Brewmaster Based on Debian 8 Prepares	Sep 10 18:16
TweetTuxMachines	for Screen Magnification http://t.co/AGB6eLr3sm	Sep 10 18:16
TweetTuxMachines	(news.softpedia.com)	Sep 10 18:16
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-news.softpedia.com \| SteamOS Brewmaster Based on Debian 8 Prepares for Screen Magnification - Softpedia		Sep 10 18:16
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/nqrqk	Sep 10 18:16
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Ubuntu Desktop Lead Working to Get New	Sep 10 18:22
TweetTuxMachines	Important Feature for Disabled Users	Sep 10 18:22
TweetTuxMachines	http://t.co/GxHKo3xPZc (news.softpedia.com)	Sep 10 18:22
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-news.softpedia.com \| Ubuntu Desktop Lead Working to Get New Important Feature for Disabled Users - Softpedia		Sep 10 18:22
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Hands-on: Testing more Linux distributions on	Sep 10 18:22
TweetTuxMachines	my Aspire V3-331 http://t.co/wUVINiciw6	Sep 10 18:22
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.zdnet.com \| Hands-on: Testing more Linux distributions on my Aspire V3-331 \| ZDNet		Sep 10 18:22
TweetTuxMachines	(www.zdnet.com)	Sep 10 18:22
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/nqru9	Sep 10 18:22
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Ubuntu Touch Received Sync, Messaging,	Sep 10 18:22
TweetTuxMachines	Telephony, and Browser Improvements	Sep 10 18:22
TweetTuxMachines	http://t.co/b7TXOlKHYU (news.softpedia.com)	Sep 10 18:22
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/nqrua	Sep 10 18:22
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-news.softpedia.com \| Ubuntu Touch Received Sync, Messaging, Telephony, and Browser Improvements - Softpedia		Sep 10 18:22
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Linux builds with Vagrant and Steam Runtime	Sep 10 18:24
TweetTuxMachines	http://t.co/YcoYvUfFn4 (www.gamasutra.com)	Sep 10 18:24
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/nqrvc	Sep 10 18:24
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.gamasutra.com \| Gamasutra: Nick Gravelyn's Blog - Linux builds with Vagrant and Steam Runtime		Sep 10 18:24
*TweetTuxMachines @abeerschool retweeted @tuxmachines: 'SteamOS Brewmaster Based on Debian 8 Prepares for...'		Sep 10 18:24
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Canonical Video Showcases Scopes Interface	Sep 10 18:31
TweetTuxMachines	Feature for Ubuntu Phones	Sep 10 18:31
TweetTuxMachines	http://t.co/yOg1IMO2wI (thevarguy.com)	Sep 10 18:31
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-thevarguy.com \| Canonical Video Showcases Scopes Interface Feature for Ubuntu Phones \| Open Source Application Software Companies content from The VAR Guy		Sep 10 18:31
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Falldown for Ubuntu Phone Hits the Streets, a	Sep 10 18:31
TweetTuxMachines	Fast-Paced and Addictive Game	Sep 10 18:31
TweetTuxMachines	http://t.co/f6y2TKsnfI (linux.softpedia.com)	Sep 10 18:31
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Today in Techrights http://t.co/Zcch6qamVO	Sep 10 19:02
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TweetTuxMachines	@schestowitz	Sep 10 19:02
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org \| Today in Techrights \| Tux Machines		Sep 10 19:02
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines DigiKam 4.13.0 Released, Install/Upgrade In	Sep 10 19:02
TweetTuxMachines	Ubuntu/Linux Mint Or Derivatives	Sep 10 19:02
TweetTuxMachines	http://t.co/690ZABV2ZW (www.tuxmachines.org)	Sep 10 19:02
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/nqsf6	Sep 10 19:02
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org \| DigiKam 4.13.0 Released, Install/Upgrade In Ubuntu/Linux Mint Or Derivatives \| Tux Machines		Sep 10 19:02
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines The X First Aid Kit For Linux	Sep 10 19:02
TweetTuxMachines	http://t.co/IldaIAUOUx (www.tuxmachines.org)	Sep 10 19:02
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org \| The X First Aid Kit For Linux \| Tux Machines		Sep 10 19:02
schestowitz	https://twitter.com/stepansmith/status/642030147047161856 https://twitter.com/stepansmith/status/642030287719923712 https://twitter.com/stepansmith/status/642030428182958080	Sep 10 19:03
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@stepansmith: @schestowitz They deserve all they get, when they call it privacy respecting, even though it has a backdoor: http://t.co/wq5OlUFnFz		Sep 10 19:03
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights--> libreboot.org \| Answers to Frequently Asked Questions about libreboot		Sep 10 19:03
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@stepansmith: @schestowitz Librem has a backdoor in it. http://t.co/wq5OlUFnFz		Sep 10 19:03
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@stepansmith: @VisibilityShift @schestowitz @Puri_sm No, they're not. They can't. See http://t.co/Y2o7Oh238t		Sep 10 19:03
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights--> libreboot.org \| Answers to Frequently Asked Questions about libreboot		Sep 10 19:03
schestowitz	https://twitter.com/Puri_sm/status/642031099216982018	Sep 10 19:04
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@Puri_sm: @stepansmith @VisibilityShift @schestowitz http://t.co/YBDq3twEOn		Sep 10 19:04
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@Puri_sm: @stepansmith @VisibilityShift @schestowitz http://t.co/YBDq3twEOn		Sep 10 19:04
schestowitz	https://twitter.com/stepansmith/status/642032845242941440 https://twitter.com/stepansmith/status/642032936133480448	Sep 10 19:04
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@stepansmith: @Puri_sm @VisibilityShift @schestowitz No, it really is impossible. http://t.co/Y2o7Oh238t		Sep 10 19:04
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@stepansmith: @Puri_sm @VisibilityShift @schestowitz No, it really is impossible for Purism to provide freedom. For real. http://t.co/Y2o7Oh238t		Sep 10 19:04
schestowitz	Is @ioerror still on board?	Sep 10 19:05
schestowitz	https://twitter.com/VisibilityShift/status/626081158841831427	Sep 10 19:05
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@VisibilityShift: @schestowitz @puri_sm is working to be first computer with FSF Respect Your Freedoms certification https://t.co/AbbbgNjLm4		Sep 10 19:05
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-SSL connect error ( status 0 @ https://puri.sm/road-to-fsf-ryf-endorsement-and-beyond/ )		Sep 10 19:05
schestowitz	https://twitter.com/stepansmith/status/642032936133480448 https://twitter.com/stepansmith/status/642032845242941440	Sep 10 19:06
schestowitz	https://twitter.com/Puri_sm/status/642034628224684032	Sep 10 19:06
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@Puri_sm: @stepansmith @schestowitz We are 100% committed to creating a 100% free (as in freedom) computer. #opensource http://t.co/AXyFncMgNU		Sep 10 19:06
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@Puri_sm: @stepansmith @schestowitz We are 100% committed to creating a 100% free (as in freedom) computer. #opensource http://t.co/AXyFncMgNU		Sep 10 19:06
schestowitz	https://twitter.com/stepansmith/status/642035805544968192 https://twitter.com/stepansmith/status/642035930946215936 https://twitter.com/stepansmith/status/642036321951838208	Sep 10 19:06
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@stepansmith: @Puri_sm @schestowitz Lack of humility is also seen in small men. You can't admit that your laptops are proprietary. http://t.co/Y2o7Oh238t		Sep 10 19:06
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@stepansmith: @Puri_sm @schestowitz And, more specifically, that you don't admit that these issues can't be solved. http://t.co/pxCA8UniNJ		Sep 10 19:06
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights--> libreboot.org \| Answers to Frequently Asked Questions about libreboot		Sep 10 19:07
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@stepansmith: @schestowitz @Puri_sm @VisibilityShift @ioerror I don't know.		Sep 10 19:07
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MinceR	http://imgur.com/gallery/IXO2EhL	Sep 10 19:30
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-imgur.com \| Thought this was f*cking beautiful - Imgur		Sep 10 19:30
schestowitz	https://twitter.com/We3forDemocracy/status/642042992732209152	Sep 10 19:33
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@We3forDemocracy: @schestowitz The answer to political blackmail is for the black mailed to publicly announce the issue and the black mailer.		Sep 10 19:33
schestowitz	But that ignore the nature of blackmail. See the movie where Russell Crowe shown this working in two ways: 'Broken City'	Sep 10 19:35
schestowitz	*shows	Sep 10 19:35
schestowitz	But that ignore the nature of blackmail. See the movie where Russell Crowe shows this working in two ways: 'Broken City'	Sep 10 19:36
schestowitz	https://twitter.com/We3forDemocracy/status/642043130758365184	Sep 10 19:36
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@We3forDemocracy: @schestowitz The police are likely initially useless in political blackmail because they may be involved.		Sep 10 19:36
schestowitz	Policepeople too can be controlled by blackmail, manipulating them in all sorts of ways from up above	Sep 10 19:37
schestowitz	https://twitter.com/We3forDemocracy/status/642043425148170240	Sep 10 19:38
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@We3forDemocracy: @schestowitz Forget what the circumstances were, but Angela Merkel publicly reported blackmail by U.S.		Sep 10 19:38
schestowitz	https://twitter.com/We3forDemocracy/status/642044572575526912	Sep 10 19:39
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@We3forDemocracy: @schestowitz Once blackmailable secrets o politicos & officials are in the open, the power 2 destroy the victim's & nation's life is reduced		Sep 10 19:39
schestowitz	But it can also undermine these politicians for good. That's why many people refuse to enter politics in the first place: fear	Sep 10 19:40
schestowitz	https://twitter.com/We3forDemocracy/status/642044844907433984	Sep 10 19:40
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@We3forDemocracy: @schestowitz If politicians and officials give in to blackmail, it's like the Mafia - they will be led to do further and greater wrongs.		Sep 10 19:40
schestowitz	yes, so better stop mass surveillance, before dealing with remedies after the act	Sep 10 19:41
schestowitz	https://twitter.com/We3forDemocracy/status/642045229667717121	Sep 10 19:42
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@We3forDemocracy: @schestowitz The police R particularly disposed to blackmail (which is a form of corrupt action) Anyone in a position of power or wealth is		Sep 10 19:42
schestowitz	https://www.joindiaspora.com/posts/6578346	Sep 10 19:51
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@conobs@diasp.de reshared: Audio and video with #XJadeo http://opensource.com/life/15/9/audio-and-video-xjadeo #freesw		Sep 10 19:51
schestowitz	"Some good notes I’ll need to take into practice."	Sep 10 19:51
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights--> opensource.com \| Using XJadeo to handle audio and video \| Opensource.com [ http://ur1.ca/nqt2c ]		Sep 10 19:51
schestowitz	https://www.joindiaspora.com/posts/6578373	Sep 10 19:52
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: A lot of people have, at one point in their life, felt depressed/down; some were curious enough to read up about suicide. Spies collect this		Sep 10 19:52
schestowitz	"I never found any good information on it. All the search results seem to be anti-suicide propaganda."	Sep 10 19:52
schestowitz	"+1 ^"	Sep 10 19:52
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Free Software Foundation seeks nominations for	Sep 10 19:57
TweetTuxMachines	18th annual Free Software Awards	Sep 10 19:57
TweetTuxMachines	http://t.co/T8mWb6Rksk (www.tuxmachines.org)	Sep 10 19:57
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org \| Free Software Foundation seeks nominations for 18th annual Free Software Awards \| Tux Machines		Sep 10 19:57
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Red Hat, Citrix-backed accelerator selects 12	Sep 10 19:57
TweetTuxMachines	startups http://t.co/NYnXe7Ye8W	Sep 10 19:57
TweetTuxMachines	(www.tuxmachines.org)	Sep 10 19:57
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org \| Red Hat, Citrix-backed accelerator selects 12 startups \| Tux Machines		Sep 10 19:57
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Ubuntu Desktop Lead Working to Get New	Sep 10 19:57
TweetTuxMachines	Important Feature for Disabled Users	Sep 10 19:57
TweetTuxMachines	http://t.co/eN1PYN37Cz (www.tuxmachines.org)	Sep 10 19:57
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/nqt4b	Sep 10 19:57
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org \| Ubuntu Desktop Lead Working to Get New Important Feature for Disabled Users \| Tux Machines		Sep 10 19:57
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schestowitz	https://twitter.com/We3forDemocracy/status/642052083785461760 https://twitter.com/We3forDemocracy/status/642052403110350848	Sep 10 20:10
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@We3forDemocracy: @schestowitz If that happens (though public can be surprisingly accommodating) they no longer have to live in fear or be forced to do wrong		Sep 10 20:10
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@We3forDemocracy: @schestowitz If a politician is being blackmailed by another nation; IMO their own nation, is more likely to be outraged against perpetrator		Sep 10 20:10
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Red Hat, Citrix-backed accelerator selects 12	Sep 10 20:17
TweetTuxMachines	startups http://t.co/orrjC7W2td	Sep 10 20:17
TweetTuxMachines	(www.bizjournals.com)	Sep 10 20:17
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.bizjournals.com \| Red Hat, Citrix-backed accelerator selects 12 startups - Triangle Business Journal		Sep 10 20:17
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/nqtc0	Sep 10 20:17
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Tiny COM runs Linux on quad-core 64-bit	Sep 10 20:17
TweetTuxMachines	Snapdragon 410 http://t.co/wwxXHT4MI4	Sep 10 20:17
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-linuxgizmos.com \| Tiny COM runs Linux on quad-core 64-bit Snapdragon 410 · LinuxGizmos.com		Sep 10 20:17
TweetTuxMachines	(linuxgizmos.com)	Sep 10 20:17
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/nqtc1	Sep 10 20:17
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Grim Fandango Remastered Is Now 66% Off on	Sep 10 20:17
TweetTuxMachines	Steam for Linux http://t.co/Z8dvuY4zqb	Sep 10 20:17
TweetTuxMachines	(linux.softpedia.com)	Sep 10 20:17
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-linux.softpedia.com \| Grim Fandango Remastered Is Now 66% Off on Steam for Linux - Softpedia		Sep 10 20:17
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Exclusive Interview: Rancher Labs Founder Sheng	Sep 10 20:31
TweetTuxMachines	Liang http://t.co/YPFkRY3IPo (www.linux.com)	Sep 10 20:31
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/nqthh	Sep 10 20:31
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.linux.com \| Exclusive Interview: Rancher Labs Founder Sheng Liang \| Linux.com		Sep 10 20:31
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Cutelyst 0.10.0 released!	Sep 10 20:31
TweetTuxMachines	https://t.co/jE1sWVMZ1I (dantti.wordpress.com)	Sep 10 20:31
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/nqthj	Sep 10 20:31
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-dantti.wordpress.com \| Cutelyst 0.10.0 released! \| Dantti's Blog		Sep 10 20:31
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines KDE Plasma 5.4.1 Now Powers Kubuntu 15.10	Sep 10 20:31
TweetTuxMachines	http://t.co/kv7ns08wD6 (linux.softpedia.com)	Sep 10 20:31
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-linux.softpedia.com \| KDE Plasma 5.4.1 Now Powers Kubuntu 15.10 - Softpedia		Sep 10 20:31
TweetTuxMachines	http://t.co/epeHgZo8nX (wire.kubuntu.org)	Sep 10 20:31
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/nqthm	Sep 10 20:31
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-wire.kubuntu.org \| Plasma 5.4.1 lands in Kubuntu Wily \| Kubuntu Wire		Sep 10 20:31
schestowitz	https://twitter.com/agente_smithe/status/642060658150932480	Sep 10 20:44
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@agente_smithe: @schestowitz The KDE folks lost their way with those semantic desktop tools... Ugh.		Sep 10 20:44
schestowitz	I always kill them all (disabling it not enough) when starting my kde session	Sep 10 20:44
schestowitz	https://twitter.com/We3forDemocracy/status/642060904700362752	Sep 10 20:45
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@We3forDemocracy: @schestowitz Need to deal with blackmail consequences now, so politicians can act pro-public; or Big Brother will not be defeated.		Sep 10 20:45
schestowitz	Right now Big Brother/Military is stronger than Five Eyes governments; strong lobby, bogus intel' to suit agenda	Sep 10 20:45
Sosumi	http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2015-09-10/why-apple’s-launch-event-was-creepy-hell	Sep 10 20:50
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.zerohedge.com \| NO TITLE [ http://ur1.ca/nqtol ]		Sep 10 20:50
XRevan86	Apple presented something?	Sep 10 20:51
Sosumi	related to yesterday's apple event	Sep 10 20:51
Sosumi	"The Apple Launch is a closed circle of fawning sycophants, thrilled with gimmicks, adapted to computers, programmed, a throng of identical authentic individuals chained to their machines and congratulating themselves on being ‘connected,’ led by a human that resembles a robot.	Sep 10 20:52
Sosumi	Two hours of watching the Apple Launch actually made the Manson Family seem homey."	Sep 10 20:52
Sosumi	and it is all true	Sep 10 20:52
Sosumi	when they announced the stylus	Sep 10 20:52
Sosumi	and I saw them clapping	Sep 10 20:52
Sosumi	all I could think of was "stab me"	Sep 10 20:53
XRevan86	Sosumi: Oh my, Apple invented a stylus.	Sep 10 20:53
XRevan86	finally	Sep 10 20:53
Sosumi	it's called the apple pen	Sep 10 20:54
Sosumi	$99 for a piece of plastic	Sep 10 20:54
Sosumi	and they all applauded	Sep 10 20:54
XRevan86	Sosumi: I don't have enough sarcasm left.	Sep 10 20:54
Sosumi	seriously, common sense, earth, raptor jesus...	Sep 10 20:55
Sosumi	what a bunch of idiots	Sep 10 20:55
Sosumi	*iDiots	Sep 10 20:55
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines How Debian and other open-source projects are	Sep 10 20:56
TweetTuxMachines	making software more trustworthy	Sep 10 20:56
TweetTuxMachines	http://t.co/9Ihkk5u610 (www.pcworld.com)	Sep 10 20:56
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.pcworld.com \| How Debian and other open-source projects are making software more trustworthy \| PCWorld		Sep 10 20:56
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines The Dwarves, Superb Fantasy RPG from KING Art	Sep 10 20:57
TweetTuxMachines	Games, to Get a Linux Launch	Sep 10 20:57
TweetTuxMachines	http://t.co/R8aeIPIW35 (news.softpedia.com)	Sep 10 20:57
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/nqtqh	Sep 10 20:57
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-news.softpedia.com \| The Dwarves, Superb Fantasy RPG from KING Art Games, to Get a Linux Launch - Softpedia		Sep 10 20:57
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Moksha Modules and Ultimate Gaming	Sep 10 20:57
TweetTuxMachines	http://t.co/IH2y2L3Eo6 (ostatic.com)	Sep 10 20:57
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/nqtqi	Sep 10 20:57
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-ostatic.com \| Moksha Modules and Ultimate Gaming		Sep 10 20:57
schestowitz	https://twitter.com/sjvn/status/642063270011125760	Sep 10 20:57
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@sjvn: @schestowitz We'll have to agree to disagree on this one. The old MSFT employees are either out the door or going, the new ones are open.		Sep 10 20:57
schestowitz	not the ones I know, depends who you're left to speak to	Sep 10 20:58
schestowitz	But I nod to the "agree to disagree on this one." No two persons agree 100% of the time, not even me and @TechJournalist - that's fine	Sep 10 20:59
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XRevan86	Sosumi: This is sick.	Sep 10 21:02
Sosumi	what is sick?	Sep 10 21:02
XRevan86	Sosumi: Apple-lovers.	Sep 10 21:03
Sosumi	ha	Sep 10 21:03
XRevan86	Sosumi: Not opposing them obviously :).	Sep 10 21:03
Sosumi	let them eat cake, I suppose	Sep 10 21:03
Sosumi	and then throw jokes at them	Sep 10 21:04
XRevan86	Sosumi: I suppose, Apple did some things a proper government would consider destructive.	Sep 10 21:06
XRevan86	therefore, no cake	Sep 10 21:06
Sosumi	:)	Sep 10 21:07
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines KDE Connect: "more than 60 people have	Sep 10 21:07
TweetTuxMachines	contributed code patches... ttranslated to 26	Sep 10 21:07
TweetTuxMachines	languages!" https://t.co/n7IxoYmyDw	Sep 10 21:07
TweetTuxMachines	(albertvaka.wordpress.com)	Sep 10 21:07
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-albertvaka.wordpress.com \| KDE Connect 2nd anniversary and Beta program \| Albert Vaca's blog		Sep 10 21:07
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/nqtu0	Sep 10 21:07
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Look and Feel of Plasma sidebars	Sep 10 21:07
TweetTuxMachines	http://t.co/pHqeBeE4J4 (user-prompt.com)	Sep 10 21:07
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/nqtu2	Sep 10 21:07
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-user-prompt.com \| Look and Feel of Plasma sidebars \| User Prompt – Psychologic IT Expertise		Sep 10 21:07
XRevan86	But instead, they're like… invulnerable.	Sep 10 21:08
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Gryphon Knight Epic Shoot 'Em Up Released For	Sep 10 21:08
TweetTuxMachines	Linux, It’s Pretty Terrible Right Now	Sep 10 21:08
TweetTuxMachines	http://t.co/HaafPnNM0r (www.gamingonlinux.com)	Sep 10 21:08
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/nqtu7	Sep 10 21:08
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.gamingonlinux.com \| Gryphon Knight Epic Shoot 'Em Up Released For Linux, It’s Pretty Terrible Right Now \| GamingOnLinux		Sep 10 21:08
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines "The Stanley Parable has finally been released	Sep 10 21:09
TweetTuxMachines	for Linux after a bit of a delay"	Sep 10 21:09
TweetTuxMachines	http://t.co/rAck7EY4fS (www.gamingonlinux.com)	Sep 10 21:09
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/nqtui	Sep 10 21:09
XRevan86	Apple going down? I wouldn't believe it even if I see it.	Sep 10 21:09
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.gamingonlinux.com \| The Stanley Parable Released For Linux, You Will Play It, You Won’t Play It \| GamingOnLinux		Sep 10 21:09
schestowitz	https://twitter.com/sjvn/status/642066198784540672	Sep 10 21:11
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@sjvn: @schestowitz I'm finding more and more of them who actually Get "open source" & many them are in places where they can make a difference		Sep 10 21:11
schestowitz	Well, meanwhile Microsoft continues to attack Linux from many directions, including attacks on Android	Sep 10 21:12
XRevan86	and so, Microsoft can do whatever they want as well	Sep 10 21:12
XRevan86	Every scheme is allowed unless it's too obvious (therefore, people won't eat the pill) or can harm the gov.	Sep 10 21:13
XRevan86	or can harm some corporations with lawsuit guys.	Sep 10 21:15
XRevan86	But then again, why expect governments to do something while they're involved in it as well.	Sep 10 21:17
XRevan86	It's not like a smart thought, just anger.	Sep 10 21:19
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XRevan86	Sosumi: I'm not always that stupid.	Sep 10 21:22
DaemonFC	https://www.amazon.com/forum/politics/ref=cm_cd_et_md_pl?_encoding=UTF8&cdForum=Fx1S3QSZRUL93V8&cdMsgID=Mx3FFKSLMAZG4RI&cdMsgNo=14&cdPage=1&cdSort=oldest&cdThread=Tx15Z2QXMDKATFF#Mx3FFKSLMAZG4RI	Sep 10 21:23
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.amazon.com \| Amazon.com: Customer Discussions: Homosexuality used to be accepted in most of Africa, until Christianity brought condemnation with it. [ http://ur1.ca/nqtz5 ]		Sep 10 21:23
DaemonFC	I copied one of my Facebook posts into that topic.	Sep 10 21:23
DaemonFC	My favorite part was: Numbers 16:41-49 - God kills 14,000 people for complaining that God keeps killing so many people.	Sep 10 21:24
DaemonFC	Ryan Farmer - I remember hearing the story of a Chinese woman who moved to America and gets PTSD attacks around the holidays because they put her in prison and made her do forced labor for being a Christian. The punishment? Making Christmas tree lights. Christians have it so easy in the United States, and yet they never stop kvetching about anything. It's getting really old.	Sep 10 21:27
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DaemonFC	J. R. Bob Dobbs (formerly ZOMG Pink Ponies) says:	Sep 10 21:30
DaemonFC	I LOL'd at that episode of The Walking Dead where the zombies overran the church and walked through the entrance that says "Whoever eats my flesh and drinks my blood shall have eternal life.".	Sep 10 21:30
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*Topic for #techrights set by schestowitz!~schestowi@unaffiliated/schestowitz at Sat Jun 9 18:16:19 2012		Sep 10 21:51
msb__	DaemonFC: Can Christians kvetch? I thought only we Jews could do that. Anyhow, the big problem with many JCI religionists in the US isn't following the religion themselves. It's that they want to force _everyone_ to obey their religion, like no gay marriage, no abortion, etc. Apparently their afraid that if a few disobey, then Ghod will punish _everyone_. But isn't that collective punishment, like bombing civilians in a war to	Sep 10 21:51
r_schestowitz	Let's not help them recover after what they have done; there are many companies more worthy of positive coverage	Sep 10 21:51
msb__	make them stop their military. (Like Truman nuking Japan.) We mere humans have learned that that's morally wrong. Hasn't Ghod?	Sep 10 21:51
r_schestowitz	https://joindiaspora.com/posts/6578070	Sep 10 21:54
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: Free Software Foundation seeks nominations for 18th annual Free Software Awards http://www.fsf.org/news/free-software-foundation-seeks-nominations-for-18th-annual-free-software-awards #fsf #gnu #freesw		Sep 10 21:54
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights--> www.fsf.org \| Free Software Foundation seeks nominations for 18th annual Free Software Awards — Free Software Foundation — working together for free software [ http://ur1.ca/nquc6 ]		Sep 10 21:54
r_schestowitz	"Bleachbit!!!"	Sep 10 21:54
r_schestowitz	https://twitter.com/JainendraNahata/status/642078171534233604	Sep 10 21:56
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@JainendraNahata: @schestowitz haha.....well not fine exactly sir. 95% of modern machines run UEFI. Btw doesn't Kubuntu support UEFI mode in alpha?		Sep 10 21:56
msb__	r_schestowitz: Bleachbit? Are you kidding? I don't like anything deleting files from my system but me, and I barely trust myself. I like to see the files in mc when I'm deleting them.	Sep 10 21:58
r_schestowitz	same here	Sep 10 22:21
r_schestowitz	but I think you get to what KIND of files get deleted	Sep 10 22:21
r_schestowitz	e.g. tmp	Sep 10 22:22
r_schestowitz	thumbnails..	Sep 10 22:22
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Performance of RAID1 with mix of HDD and SSD	Sep 10 22:25
TweetTuxMachines	http://t.co/EQ1zMPcV9H (miroslav.suchy.cz)	Sep 10 22:25
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/nqupn	Sep 10 22:25
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-miroslav.suchy.cz \| Performance of RAID1 with mix of HDD and SSD \| Miroslav Suchý		Sep 10 22:25
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines ABRT statistics are helping not only in Fedora	Sep 10 22:25
TweetTuxMachines	http://t.co/qc6hD8o8vA (rvokal.livejournal.com)	Sep 10 22:25
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-rvokal.livejournal.com \| ABRT statistics are helping not only in Fedora - </linux>		Sep 10 22:25
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/nqupo	Sep 10 22:25
DaemonFC	I accidentally paid the credit card twice.	Sep 10 22:29
DaemonFC	Now I have a negative $109.50 balance. LOL	Sep 10 22:29
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines ABRT statistics are helping not only in Fedora	Sep 10 22:40
TweetTuxMachines	http://t.co/qc6hD8FJn8 (rvokal.livejournal.com)	Sep 10 22:40
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/nquwg	Sep 10 22:40
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines [Developer] Tizen Tools Pre-Release for Ubuntu	Sep 10 22:40
TweetTuxMachines	15.04 http://t.co/jvo1GvVu3I	Sep 10 22:40
TweetTuxMachines	(www.tizenexperts.com)	Sep 10 22:40
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/nquwj	Sep 10 22:40
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tizenexperts.com \| [Developer] Tizen Tools Pre-Release for Ubuntu 15.04 - Tizen Experts		Sep 10 22:40
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines 30 days with Udacity: A fast-paced and	Sep 10 22:40
TweetTuxMachines	challenging path to Android development	Sep 10 22:40
TweetTuxMachines	http://t.co/NNoWPNdpR1 (www.greenbot.com)	Sep 10 22:40
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.greenbot.com \| 30 days with Udacity: A fast-paced and challenging path to Android development \| Greenbot		Sep 10 22:40
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/nquwk	Sep 10 22:40
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines KDE Plasma 5.4.1 Now Powers Kubuntu 15.10	Sep 10 22:41
TweetTuxMachines	http://t.co/8eACWgPyiH (www.tuxmachines.org)	Sep 10 22:41
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/nquwl	Sep 10 22:41
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org \| KDE Plasma 5.4.1 Now Powers Kubuntu 15.10 \| Tux Machines		Sep 10 22:41
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines UK government backs away from Microsoft, moves	Sep 10 22:41
TweetTuxMachines	closer to Open Document Format	Sep 10 22:41
TweetTuxMachines	http://t.co/cPFIJaWhq8 (www.tuxmachines.org)	Sep 10 22:41
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/nquwm	Sep 10 22:41
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org \| UK government backs away from Microsoft, moves closer to Open Document Format \| Tux Machines		Sep 10 22:41
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Moksha Modules and Ultimate Gaming	Sep 10 22:41
TweetTuxMachines	http://t.co/cdqgbYhDiQ (www.tuxmachines.org)	Sep 10 22:41
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/nquwo	Sep 10 22:41
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org \| Moksha Modules and Ultimate Gaming \| Tux Machines		Sep 10 22:41
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Initial impressions of the ZUK Z1 $300	Sep 10 22:41
TweetTuxMachines	Cyanogen-powered Android smartphone	Sep 10 22:41
TweetTuxMachines	http://t.co/9uFOQzZ8M9 (www.tuxmachines.org)	Sep 10 22:41
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/nquwp	Sep 10 22:41
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org \| Initial impressions of the ZUK Z1 $300 Cyanogen-powered Android smartphone \| Tux Machines		Sep 10 22:41
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DaemonFC	Ryan Farmer	Sep 10 22:47
DaemonFC	Just now ·	Sep 10 22:47
DaemonFC	So some guy on Sprint's page got three iPhones under lease, and didn't read the contract, and now he's pissed because he canceled and owes them $1800.	Sep 10 22:47
DaemonFC	"Early Termination: You may terminate this lease agreement before the end of the lease term by notifying us at least 30 days prior to termination, returning the Goods in good condition and repair, and paying the remaining lease payments due. Failure to return the Goods and pay the remaining lease payments will constitute an Event of Default." Yada yada. It goes on to say that if they cancel the lease agreement, then you are not obligated to	Sep 10 22:47
DaemonFC	make the rest of the payments, but in either case, you must return the Goods.	Sep 10 22:47
DaemonFC	An Event of Default is later described as follows:	Sep 10 22:47
DaemonFC	If you default, you have 30 days to fix the default, or else Sprint might sue you. If Sprint sues you, and the judge rules against you, you will have to pay the balance owed plus any interest, and probably Sprint's court costs and their legal fees.	Sep 10 22:47
DaemonFC	Maybe read that before you get three iPhones, cancel, don't pay them, and then go "What the hell?".	Sep 10 22:47
DaemonFC	I did get Sprint to remove that stupid Airrave from my account and fix the $140 fee they were trying to charge me. I told them that if they didn't that I would dispute $140 of the next credit card statement, and print out the return receipt email and scan that and send it in to my credit card company's dispute resolution department.	Sep 10 22:49
DaemonFC	They fixed it in about 20 minutes after two phone calls to get it off my account over the last couple of months didn't work.	Sep 10 22:49
DaemonFC	Having a credit card has several benefits over paying with a check or a debit card. There's rewards points, enhanced fraud protection, and if a merchant screws you, the card company can take the money back and credit your account.	Sep 10 22:51
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines MATE 1.10 Uploaded in Debian Unstable, Ubuntu	Sep 10 22:56
TweetTuxMachines	Stretch, and Ubuntu 15.10 Repos	Sep 10 22:56
TweetTuxMachines	http://t.co/zqU9qD5Qpv (www.tuxmachines.org)	Sep 10 22:56
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/nqv48	Sep 10 22:56
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org \| MATE 1.10 Uploaded in Debian Unstable, Ubuntu Stretch, and Ubuntu 15.10 Repos \| Tux Machines		Sep 10 22:56
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Where is my Fedora 15 (or how to deal with the	Sep 10 22:57
TweetTuxMachines	disconnect between Fedora and your textbook).	Sep 10 22:57
TweetTuxMachines	http://t.co/RM7ilxyfnf	Sep 10 22:57
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-smoogespace.blogspot.co.uk \| SmoogeSpace: Where is my Fedora 15 (or how to deal with the disconnect between Fedora and your textbook).		Sep 10 22:57
TweetTuxMachines	(smoogespace.blogspot.co.uk)	Sep 10 22:57
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/nqv49	Sep 10 22:57
DaemonFC	J. R. Bob Dobbs (formerly ZOMG Pink Ponies) says:	Sep 10 23:04
DaemonFC	At least Obama can make a speech. Sarah Palin said something about us being nuked by Iranian unicorns that don't want us to change a light bulb, or something. :)	Sep 10 23:04
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines UK government backs away from Microsoft, moves	Sep 10 23:14
TweetTuxMachines	retweeted by closer to Open Document Format	Sep 10 23:14
TweetTuxMachines	@RamiSilawi http://t.co/cPFIJaWhq8 (www.tuxmachines.org)	Sep 10 23:14
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/nqvcq	Sep 10 23:14
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org \| UK government backs away from Microsoft, moves closer to Open Document Format \| Tux Machines		Sep 10 23:14
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Looks Like 'The Escapists' Is Coming To Linux	Sep 10 23:14
TweetTuxMachines	http://t.co/Izdr8dadzM (www.gamingonlinux.com)	Sep 10 23:14
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/nqvcr	Sep 10 23:14
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.gamingonlinux.com \| Looks Like 'The Escapists' Is Coming To Linux \| GamingOnLinux		Sep 10 23:14
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Initial impressions of the ZUK Z1 $300	Sep 10 23:15
TweetTuxMachines	Cyanogen-powered Android smartphone	Sep 10 23:15
TweetTuxMachines	http://t.co/zl9MjB3Cus (www.zdnet.com)	Sep 10 23:15
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.zdnet.com \| Initial impressions of the ZUK Z1 $300 Cyanogen-powered Android smartphone \| ZDNet		Sep 10 23:15
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/nqvcs	Sep 10 23:15
DaemonFC	J. R. Bob Dobbs (formerly ZOMG Pink Ponies) says:	Sep 10 23:38
DaemonFC	They always issue an alert on 9/11 just to remind everyone that they need to be afraid all the time, and that a government that failed to stop so many attacks will protect them.	Sep 10 23:38
DaemonFC	A British meter maid that had a car bomb towed for being illegally parked saved more lives from terrorists than the US government has.	Sep 10 23:38
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines MATE 1.10 Uploaded in Debian Unstable, Ubuntu	Sep 10 23:50
TweetTuxMachines	Stretch, and Ubuntu 15.10 Repos	Sep 10 23:50
TweetTuxMachines	http://t.co/qEqYNc4Thy (linux.softpedia.com)	Sep 10 23:50
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-linux.softpedia.com \| MATE 1.10 Uploaded in Debian Unstable, Ubuntu Stretch, and Ubuntu 15.10 Repos - Softpedia		Sep 10 23:50
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/nqvta	Sep 10 23:50
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines GNOME 3.18 Will Not be Identified as Android	Sep 10 23:50
TweetTuxMachines	When Connecting a Google Account	Sep 10 23:50
TweetTuxMachines	http://t.co/povj3AgQ6b (news.softpedia.com)	Sep 10 23:50
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/nqvtc	Sep 10 23:50
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-news.softpedia.com \| GNOME 3.18 Will Not be Identified as Android When Connecting a Google Account - Softpedia		Sep 10 23:50
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Ubuntu Make Now Lets You Install Only the	Sep 10 23:50
TweetTuxMachines	Android SDK in Ubuntu Linux	Sep 10 23:50
TweetTuxMachines	http://t.co/hEF4FMJEKA (news.softpedia.com)	Sep 10 23:50
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/nqvtd	Sep 10 23:50
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-news.softpedia.com \| Ubuntu Make Now Lets You Install Only the Android SDK in Ubuntu Linux - Softpedia		Sep 10 23:50
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines The Current State Of Debian GNU Hurd	Sep 10 23:51
TweetTuxMachines	http://t.co/1adrvCboNE (www.phoronix.com)	Sep 10 23:51
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/nqvtp	Sep 10 23:51
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.phoronix.com \| The Current State Of Debian GNU Hurd - Phoronix		Sep 10 23:51
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines GhostBSD 10.1 BETA2 now available	Sep 10 23:51
TweetTuxMachines	http://t.co/qglZA97zD3 (www.tuxmachines.org)	Sep 10 23:51
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/nqvtu	Sep 10 23:51
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org \| GhostBSD 10.1 BETA2 now available \| Tux Machines		Sep 10 23:51
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines GNOME 3.18 Will Not be Identified as Android	Sep 10 23:51
TweetTuxMachines	When Connecting a Google Account	Sep 10 23:51
TweetTuxMachines	http://t.co/t2vcAq5koV (www.tuxmachines.org)	Sep 10 23:51
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/nqvu2	Sep 10 23:51
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org \| GNOME 3.18 Will Not be Identified as Android When Connecting a Google Account \| Tux Machines		Sep 10 23:51
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Internet Bug Bounty Helps Secure Open Source	Sep 10 23:54
TweetTuxMachines	and the Internet [VIDEO] http://t.co/1pKBJ4ioVp	Sep 10 23:54
TweetTuxMachines	(www.tuxmachines.org)	Sep 10 23:54
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/nqvv3	Sep 10 23:54
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org \| Internet Bug Bounty Helps Secure Open Source and the Internet [VIDEO] \| Tux Machines		Sep 10 23:54
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Ubuntu Make Now Lets You Install Only the	Sep 10 23:54
TweetTuxMachines	Android SDK in Ubuntu Linux	Sep 10 23:54
TweetTuxMachines	http://t.co/NAL3yGeDLI (www.tuxmachines.org)	Sep 10 23:54
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/nqvv4	Sep 10 23:54
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org \| Ubuntu Make Now Lets You Install Only the Android SDK in Ubuntu Linux \| Tux Machines		Sep 10 23:54
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Mir Working On Evdev Device Detection	Sep 10 23:54
TweetTuxMachines	http://t.co/lr9uQ5dWGE (www.phoronix.com)	Sep 10 23:54
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/nqvv6	Sep 10 23:54
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.phoronix.com \| Mir Working On Evdev Device Detection - Phoronix		Sep 10 23:54
*TweetTuxMachines @pkoutoupis favourited 'Mir Working On Evdev Device Detection http://t.co/lr9uQ5dWGE'		Sep 10 23:54
msb__	Oh no! An important part of my infrastructure has been damaged! The duct tape on the hot hose flange of my A/C has come loose from its windowframe hole, and deadly hot air is spilling into my apartment. I'm all doomed!	Sep 10 23:59
msb__	Many layers of duct tape. Hose held to the window by a wire connected to an angle iron screwed(?) to the wall. Very complex! Obama or the Iranians or the Welfare Queens must have done this to me!	Sep 11 00:01
DaemonFC	http://www.geek.com/microsoft/microsoft-pushing-windows-10-onto-machines-even-if-they-havent-reserved-it-1633732/	Sep 11 00:11
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.geek.com \| Microsoft is forcing Windows 10 on users’ machines without consent \| Microsoft \| Geek.com [ http://ur1.ca/nqw30 ]		Sep 11 00:11
MinceR	lol	Sep 11 00:23
MinceR	msb__: you should post it to thereifixedit.com	Sep 11 00:23
msb__	I should post it to thereIshoveditbacktogetherandidontknowhowlongitwillhold.com	Sep 11 00:25
msb__	You only get one chance with duct tape. If you pull it off and put on new, it never sticks the same because some of the old adhesive is still on there.	Sep 11 00:26
MinceR	:)	Sep 11 00:27
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msb__	I'll wait til the weather gets cooler -- it's been very hot the last few days -- cut the old tape off and put on new. The wire is taking almost all the weight, so it might work.	Sep 11 00:29
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*Topic for #techrights set by schestowitz!~schestowi@unaffiliated/schestowitz at Sat Jun 9 18:16:19 2012		Sep 11 08:31
r_schestowitz	[18:07] <MinceR> fifty new linux distros are nearly the same!	Sep 11 09:00
r_schestowitz	yes, systemd will only be spared in some esoteric ones	Sep 11 09:00
r_schestowitz	if any	Sep 11 09:00
r_schestowitz	[06:53] <cubexyz> so I'm typing this from another computer and running firefox from a third computer :)	Sep 11 09:00
r_schestowitz	I do this with the machine downstairs sometimes	Sep 11 09:01
r_schestowitz	to offload RAM and CPU usage	Sep 11 09:01
r_schestowitz	the machine downstairs is mostly idle	Sep 11 09:01
r_schestowitz	with x forwarding there's much you can do to offload "workloads" (buzzword)	Sep 11 09:01
r_schestowitz	https://twitter.com/SleepyPenguin1/status/642246702934683648	Sep 11 09:03
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@SleepyPenguin1: @schestowitz I can get a plastic door wedge for 99p that keeps the door open..		Sep 11 09:03
r_schestowitz	It's also more material, made in the same country as 'i' things (China)	Sep 11 09:03
r_schestowitz	https://twitter.com/LinuxSocist/status/642247252187185152	Sep 11 09:06
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@LinuxSocist: @schestowitz But think of the 3200 people that were killed by terrorism on 9/11. https://t.co/eCipPg6Mpl		Sep 11 09:06
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights--> www.youtube.com \| The first 9/11 - Noam Chomsky - YouTube		Sep 11 09:06
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msb__	MinceR: You will love this! Youtube is laggy, so download with the latest youtube-dl using this command. Then delete the string ".en" from the subtitle file and play with mplayer. yt --write-auto-sub https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9F20-VkvJ2Y	Sep 11 09:22
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.youtube.com \| Vladimir Putin in a Finnish sketch comedy show - YouTube [ http://ur1.ca/nr1hr ]		Sep 11 09:22
*TweetTuxMachines @Tech_Singapore favourited 'KDE Plasma 5.4 Enhances Linux Desktop Experience http://t.co/qDYSzRh0Sw'		Sep 11 09:27
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.eweek.com \| KDE Plasma 5.4 Enhances Linux Desktop Experience		Sep 11 09:27
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines GnuPG 2.1.8 Supports Sending of Very Large Keys	Sep 11 09:27
TweetTuxMachines	to Key Servers http://t.co/Gugcx3eOWB	Sep 11 09:27
TweetTuxMachines	(www.tuxmachines.org)	Sep 11 09:27
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org \| GnuPG 2.1.8 Supports Sending of Very Large Keys to Key Servers \| Tux Machines		Sep 11 09:27
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/nr1j2	Sep 11 09:27
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Mageia 4 about to reach its end-of-life	Sep 11 09:27
TweetTuxMachines	http://t.co/j3xa221ZPN (www.tuxmachines.org)	Sep 11 09:27
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/nr1j3	Sep 11 09:27
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org \| Mageia 4 about to reach its end-of-life \| Tux Machines		Sep 11 09:27
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Announcing a New Release of CentOS Atomic Host	Sep 11 09:27
TweetTuxMachines	http://t.co/7SRlZTavwC (www.tuxmachines.org)	Sep 11 09:27
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/nr1j4	Sep 11 09:27
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org \| Announcing a New Release of CentOS Atomic Host \| Tux Machines		Sep 11 09:27
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Rackspace joins Ubuntu Certified Public Cloud	Sep 11 09:29
TweetTuxMachines	http://t.co/2ZTI509IzI (www.tuxmachines.org)	Sep 11 09:29
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/nr1jr	Sep 11 09:29
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org \| Rackspace joins Ubuntu Certified Public Cloud \| Tux Machines		Sep 11 09:29
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Linux Workshop to be held in Mumbai, BMC plans	Sep 11 09:29
TweetTuxMachines	to ban Windows usage for 7-days across the	Sep 11 09:29
TweetTuxMachines	state http://t.co/yP2bcQFjvc	Sep 11 09:29
TweetTuxMachines	(www.tuxmachines.org)	Sep 11 09:29
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org \| Linux Workshop to be held in Mumbai, BMC plans to ban Windows usage for 7-days across the state \| Tux Machines		Sep 11 09:29
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/nr1js	Sep 11 09:29
schestowitz	test	Sep 11 09:38
schestowitz	ok, connection got wobbly for a moment	Sep 11 09:38
msb__	MinceR: Sorry, I meant delete the string ".en" from the subtitle fileNAME	Sep 11 09:39
schestowitz	https://joindiaspora.com/posts/6577799	Sep 11 09:42
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: #Microsoft is downloading #vista10 to your machine 'just in case' http://www.theinquirer.net/inquirer/news/2425381/microsoft-is-downloading-windows-10-to-your-machine-just-in-case wow, botnet with spyware. Legal?		Sep 11 09:42
schestowitz	"	Sep 11 09:42
schestowitz	Now I’ve started maintaining a local wiki page with all the windows updates not to be installed. Ever.	Sep 11 09:42
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights--> www.theinquirer.net \| Microsoft is downloading Windows 10 to your machine 'just in case'- The Inquirer [ http://ur1.ca/nr1oc ]		Sep 11 09:42
schestowitz	Microsoft, you just started costing me way too much money to be able to afford continued usage of all your recent operating systems. So I will not buy any new licenses for any of those ever again. Your TCO has risen way above my painlevel now.	Sep 11 09:42
schestowitz	"	Sep 11 09:42
schestowitz	"It’s funny how you might have a good laugh over outrageous things when you’re not affected."	Sep 11 09:42
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Links 11/9/2015: Android Pay, Plasma 5.4.1 in	Sep 11 09:42
TweetTuxMachines	retweeted by Kubuntu http://t.co/2pj0DsacpR (techrights.org)	Sep 11 09:42
TweetTuxMachines	@schestowitz	Sep 11 09:42
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/nr1k0	Sep 11 09:43
*TweetTuxMachines @CertDepot retweeted @tuxmachines: 'Announcing a New Release of CentOS Atomic Host...'		Sep 11 09:43
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org \| Links 11/9/2015: Android Pay, Plasma 5.4.1 in Kubuntu \| Techrights		Sep 11 09:43
schestowitz	They're trying to gain competitive advantage over GNU/Linux by clogging up networks (shared with me), which I find not amusing but infuriating.	Sep 11 09:43
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cubexyz	even when redhat 5.2 came out it was better than windows	Sep 11 09:49
cubexyz	a pity I was slow to realize that	Sep 11 09:49
cubexyz	didn't have broadband back in 1998	Sep 11 09:50
cubexyz	wasn't completely anti-microsoft back then either	Sep 11 09:51
cubexyz	NT 4.0 seemed OK	Sep 11 09:51
cubexyz	supported dual cpu	Sep 11 09:51
cubexyz	there was ANSI T1.413-1998 so technically it was possible to get DSL in some places in 1998	Sep 11 09:55
schestowitz	older:	Sep 11 09:57
schestowitz	https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wTH6_MGE98k	Sep 11 09:57
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.youtube.com \| RiP: A remix manifesto. Complete - YouTube [ http://ur1.ca/nr1ud ]		Sep 11 09:57
schestowitz	"80 percent of first purchases on Ashley Madison were a result of a man	Sep 11 10:02
schestowitz	trying to contact a bot, or reading a message from one. "	Sep 11 10:02
schestowitz	http://gizmodo.com/how-ashley-madison-hid-its-fembot-con-from-users-and-in-1728410265	Sep 11 10:02
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-gizmodo.com \| How Ashley Madison Hid Its Fembot Con From Users and Investigators [ http://ur1.ca/nr1vn ]		Sep 11 10:02
cubexyz	ha, so the whole thing is mostly a scam	Sep 11 10:02
cubexyz	hmmm, guess I'll have to use the chromebook for that one	Sep 11 10:04
schestowitz	https://thestack.com/security/2015/09/10/major-web-security-company-sought-to-conceal-that-it-ran-compromised-servers/	Sep 11 10:22
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-thestack.com \| Federal security provider sought to hide fact of compromised servers [ http://ur1.ca/nr238 ]		Sep 11 10:22
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schestowitz	https://twitter.com/retroDoomer/status/642266771911606272	Sep 11 10:24
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@retroDoomer: @schestowitz I hope they turn them down		Sep 11 10:24
schestowitz	re https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/642264659412799488	Sep 11 10:24
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz: Saudi Arabia offers Germany 200 mosques – one for every 100 refugees who arrived last weekend http://t.co/ZY6mp58wst exporting radicalism		Sep 11 10:24
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights--> www.independent.co.uk \| Saudi Arabia offers Germany 200 mosques – one for every 100 refugees who arrived last weekend - Europe - World - The Independent		Sep 11 10:24
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Links 11/9/2015: Android Pay, Plasma 5.4.1 in	Sep 11 10:35
TweetTuxMachines	retweeted by Kubuntu http://t.co/2pj0DsacpR (techrights.org)	Sep 11 10:35
TweetTuxMachines	@cypherkoi	Sep 11 10:35
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/nr28k	Sep 11 10:35
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines "Rcpp is now on the CRAN network for GNU R this	Sep 11 10:35
TweetTuxMachines	morning, and I will push a Debian package."	Sep 11 10:35
TweetTuxMachines	http://t.co/JWTiAlUYW3 (dirk.eddelbuettel.com)	Sep 11 10:35
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-dirk.eddelbuettel.com \| Thinking inside the box		Sep 11 10:35
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/nr28l	Sep 11 10:35
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Kickstarter: Is Nextbit’s Robin the Android	Sep 11 10:38
TweetTuxMachines	differentiator we have been waiting for?	Sep 11 10:38
TweetTuxMachines	http://t.co/ZycfjNvNWs (indianexpress.com)	Sep 11 10:38
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-indianexpress.com \| Kickstarter: Is Nextbit’s Robin the Android differentiator we have been waiting for? \| The Indian Express		Sep 11 10:38
TweetTuxMachines	"$400 Android smartphone"	Sep 11 10:38
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/nr29r	Sep 11 10:38
*TweetTuxMachines @MarusenkoMs favourited 'Kickstarter: Is Nextbit’s Robin the Android differentiator we...'		Sep 11 10:41
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Wedia Integrates Tuxera's Streaming Technology	Sep 11 10:41
TweetTuxMachines	With its Linux-Based Teatro-3.0 STB Software	Sep 11 10:41
TweetTuxMachines	Solution http://t.co/pV34NT6n3b	Sep 11 10:41
TweetTuxMachines	(www.tuxmachines.org)	Sep 11 10:41
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/nr2ar	Sep 11 10:41
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org \| Wedia Integrates Tuxera's Streaming Technology With its Linux-Based Teatro-3.0 STB Software Solution \| Tux Machines		Sep 11 10:41
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines My dad's Linux story begins in textiles	Sep 11 10:41
TweetTuxMachines	http://t.co/Pa9ph2R5yx (www.tuxmachines.org)	Sep 11 10:41
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/nr2as	Sep 11 10:41
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org \| My dad's Linux story begins in textiles \| Tux Machines		Sep 11 10:41
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Amarok 2.9 Enters Beta After Two Years of	Sep 11 10:43
TweetTuxMachines	Development, Amarok 3.0 Prepares for Qt5	Sep 11 10:43
TweetTuxMachines	http://t.co/1SfFIeaWe1 (www.tuxmachines.org)	Sep 11 10:43
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/nr2bp	Sep 11 10:43
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org \| Amarok 2.9 Enters Beta After Two Years of Development, Amarok 3.0 Prepares for Qt5 \| Tux Machines		Sep 11 10:43
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Interviews: RMS Answers Your Questions	Sep 11 10:44
TweetTuxMachines	http://t.co/177UrVGT0B (www.tuxmachines.org)	Sep 11 10:44
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/nr2br	Sep 11 10:44
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org \| Interviews: RMS Answers Your Questions \| Tux Machines		Sep 11 10:44
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Norway’s Frikomport readied to switch to Moodle	Sep 11 10:44
TweetTuxMachines	http://t.co/kycKdvRcLj (www.tuxmachines.org)	Sep 11 10:44
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/nr2bs	Sep 11 10:44
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org \| Norway’s Frikomport readied to switch to Moodle \| Tux Machines		Sep 11 10:44
cubexyz	interesting video	Sep 11 10:46
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cubexyz	he's using windows :-/	Sep 11 10:48
*TweetTuxMachines @staceycdz32 favourited 'Kickstarter: Is Nextbit’s Robin the Android differentiator we...'		Sep 11 10:51
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Nice new phone, Apple - but my Android's still	Sep 11 10:51
TweetTuxMachines	better, and cheaper http://t.co/LfkqrjLAl2	Sep 11 10:51
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.smh.com.au \| Nice new phone, Apple - but my Android's still better, and cheaper		Sep 11 10:51
TweetTuxMachines	(www.smh.com.au)	Sep 11 10:51
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/nr2e7	Sep 11 10:51
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines GNOME 3.17.92 rc tarballs due (and more)	Sep 11 10:53
TweetTuxMachines	(responsible: fredp) http://t.co/72ruXeB3Wy	Sep 11 10:53
TweetTuxMachines	(permalink.gmane.org)	Sep 11 10:53
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-permalink.gmane.org \| GNOME 3.17.92 rc tarballs due (and more) (responsible: fredp)		Sep 11 10:53
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/nr2f3	Sep 11 10:53
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Nano-ITX SBC runs Linux on quad-core Atom, has	Sep 11 10:54
TweetTuxMachines	dual GbE http://t.co/nDuOXVHciz	Sep 11 10:54
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-linuxgizmos.com \| Nano-ITX SBC runs Linux on quad-core Atom, has dual GbE · LinuxGizmos.com		Sep 11 10:54
TweetTuxMachines	(linuxgizmos.com)	Sep 11 10:54
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/nr2f5	Sep 11 10:54
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Second Beta Build of Proxmox VE 4.0 Is Based on	Sep 11 10:54
TweetTuxMachines	Debian 8.2, Uses Linux Kernel 4.2	Sep 11 10:54
TweetTuxMachines	http://t.co/rHRQHlZJOO (news.softpedia.com)	Sep 11 10:54
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/nr2f6	Sep 11 10:54
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-news.softpedia.com \| Second Beta Build of Proxmox VE 4.0 Is Based on Debian 8.2, Uses Linux Kernel 4.2 - Softpedia		Sep 11 10:54
cubexyz	everybody learns from everybody else, humans imitate each other	Sep 11 10:54
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines GnuPG 2.1.8 Supports Sending of Very Large Keys	Sep 11 10:55
TweetTuxMachines	to Key Servers http://t.co/04FLk5Mi0t	Sep 11 10:55
TweetTuxMachines	(news.softpedia.com)	Sep 11 10:55
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-news.softpedia.com \| GnuPG 2.1.8 Supports Sending of Very Large Keys to Key Servers - Softpedia		Sep 11 10:55
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/nr2fq	Sep 11 10:55
*TweetTuxMachines @ningbojoe retweeted @tuxmachines: 'Second Beta Build of Proxmox VE 4.0 Is...'		Sep 11 10:55
cubexyz	good video, thanks for posting the URL	Sep 11 10:57
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schestowitz	https://twitter.com/Oxfordite/status/642283572188028928	Sep 11 11:29
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@Oxfordite: @glynmoody @schestowitz crash caused by banks "boundless greed".. unregulated greed?		Sep 11 11:29
schestowitz	cubexyz: indeed	Sep 11 11:29
schestowitz	I watched the first half an hour	Sep 11 11:30
schestowitz	he's using windows but says "copyleft"	Sep 11 11:30
schestowitz	RMS' term	Sep 11 11:30
cubexyz	half enlightened is beter than none :)	Sep 11 11:31
cubexyz	I don't actually know anyone who got burned for mp3 downloads in Canada	Sep 11 11:32
cubexyz	I assume it has happened	Sep 11 11:32
schestowitz	I don't know of one, either	Sep 11 11:34
schestowitz	one guy in Texas is named there for it	Sep 11 11:34
schestowitz	imagines a world where you can stream from youtube...	Sep 11 11:34
schestowitz	but...	Sep 11 11:34
schestowitz	if you download from youtube, then you get menacing letters	Sep 11 11:34
schestowitz	even if the uploaded in youtube is the copyright holder	Sep 11 11:34
schestowitz	looking for promotion of ad revenue, like Vevo	Sep 11 11:35
cubexyz	I made some of the same arguments about Disney	Sep 11 11:42
cubexyz	Grimm's Fairy Tales etc	Sep 11 11:43
schestowitz	https://twitter.com/RamiSilawi/status/642286983230947332	Sep 11 11:44
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@RamiSilawi: @schestowitz It just went live, crediting you, on my @RebelMouse http://t.co/DQqqYJHjhw		Sep 11 11:44
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights--> www.rebelmouse.com \| RamiSilawi		Sep 11 11:44
schestowitz	https://twitter.com/glynmoody/status/642288855996071936	Sep 11 11:52
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@glynmoody: @Oxfordite @schestowitz unregulated boundless greed...		Sep 11 11:52
schestowitz	Tories-supported unregulated boundless greed...	Sep 11 11:52
schestowitz	https://twitter.com/Oxfordite/status/642289861119094784	Sep 11 11:53
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@Oxfordite: "@glynmoody: @Oxfordite @schestowitz unregulated boundless greed..." There is good reason for regulation with all that greed..		Sep 11 11:53
schestowitz	https://twitter.com/Oxfordite/status/642290073447309312	Sep 11 11:56
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@Oxfordite: "@schestowitz: @glynmoody @Oxfordite Tories-supported unregulated boundless greed..." ..did not New Labour relax banking regulation too?		Sep 11 11:56
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Mageia 4 about to reach its end-of-life	Sep 11 11:56
TweetTuxMachines	http://t.co/ekqO83MlZT (error)	Sep 11 11:56
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/nr2hz	Sep 11 11:56
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Announcing a New Release of CentOS Atomic Host	Sep 11 11:57
TweetTuxMachines	http://t.co/VIIcaig5fk (seven.centos.org)	Sep 11 11:57
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/nr310	Sep 11 11:57
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Rackspace joins Ubuntu Certified Public Cloud	Sep 11 11:57
TweetTuxMachines	https://t.co/6odKGi9wqK (insights.ubuntu.com)	Sep 11 11:57
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/nr311	Sep 11 11:57
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Linux Workshop to be held in Mumbai, BMC plans	Sep 11 11:57
TweetTuxMachines	to ban Windows usage for 7-days across the	Sep 11 11:57
TweetTuxMachines	state http://t.co/2BOktZpdCc	Sep 11 11:57
TweetTuxMachines	(www.fakingnews.firstpost.com)	Sep 11 11:57
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/nr312	Sep 11 11:57
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines My dad's Linux story begins in textiles	Sep 11 11:57
TweetTuxMachines	http://t.co/xVezeBMJ8e (opensource.com)	Sep 11 11:57
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/nr313	Sep 11 11:57
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Amarok 2.9 Enters Beta After Two Years of	Sep 11 11:57
TweetTuxMachines	Development, Amarok 3.0 Prepares for Qt5	Sep 11 11:57
TweetTuxMachines	http://t.co/z8KyM4w4NM (linux.softpedia.com)	Sep 11 11:57
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/nr314	Sep 11 11:57
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines New Kubuntu Council members	Sep 11 11:57
TweetTuxMachines	http://t.co/7y3EoYMwCs (kubuntu.org)	Sep 11 11:57
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/nr315	Sep 11 11:57
*TweetTuxMachines @retroDoomer favourited 'My dad's Linux story begins in textiles http://t.co/xVezeBMJ8e'		Sep 11 11:57
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Empty reply from server ( status 0 @ http://blog.mageia.org/en/2015/09/10/mageia-4-about-to-reach-its-end-of-life/ )		Sep 11 11:58
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-seven.centos.org \| Announcing a New Release of CentOS Atomic Host – Seven.CentOS.org		Sep 11 11:58
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-insights.ubuntu.com \| Rackspace joins Ubuntu Certified Public Cloud \| Ubuntu Insights		Sep 11 11:58
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.fakingnews.firstpost.com \| Linux Workshop to be held in Mumbai, BMC plans to ban Windows usage for 7-days across the city \| Faking News		Sep 11 11:59
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-opensource.com \| Mr. Brian's Linux Story \| Opensource.com		Sep 11 11:59
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-linux.softpedia.com \| Amarok 2.9 Enters Beta After Two Years of Development, Amarok 3.0 Prepares for Qt5 - Softpedia		Sep 11 11:59
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-kubuntu.org \| New Kubuntu Council members \| Kubuntu		Sep 11 11:59
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Interviews: RMS Answers Your Questions	Sep 11 11:59
TweetTuxMachines	retweeted by http://t.co/177UrVGT0B (www.tuxmachines.org)	Sep 11 11:59
TweetTuxMachines	@speedytux	Sep 11 11:59
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/nr31y	Sep 11 11:59
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org \| Interviews: RMS Answers Your Questions \| Tux Machines		Sep 11 11:59
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Opening Linux Even Further	Sep 11 11:59
TweetTuxMachines	https://t.co/HWEwoNU7Up (medium.com)	Sep 11 11:59
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/nr321	Sep 11 11:59
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-medium.com \| Opening Linux Even Further — Medium		Sep 11 11:59
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Kubuntu Council Welcomes New Members, Mageia 4	Sep 11 11:59
TweetTuxMachines	EOL http://t.co/F3xNCxXrjw	Sep 11 11:59
TweetTuxMachines	(www.tuxmachines.org)	Sep 11 11:59
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/nr322	Sep 11 11:59
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org \| Kubuntu Council Welcomes New Members, Mageia 4 EOL \| Tux Machines		Sep 11 11:59
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Opening Linux Even Further	Sep 11 12:05
TweetTuxMachines	http://t.co/MSELIsiGQI (www.tuxmachines.org)	Sep 11 12:05
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/nr341	Sep 11 12:05
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org \| Opening Linux Even Further \| Tux Machines		Sep 11 12:05
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines 9 ways to attract students to your open source	Sep 11 12:05
TweetTuxMachines	project http://t.co/FXRhlPhkip	Sep 11 12:05
TweetTuxMachines	(www.tuxmachines.org)	Sep 11 12:05
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org \| 9 ways to attract students to your open source project \| Tux Machines		Sep 11 12:05
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msb__	If the Russian version is accurate, that "counter-intelligence officer" was either spying in Russia, or committing another US-motivated provocation.	Sep 11 18:07
msb__	Like the US attacks on Ukraine and Syria.	Sep 11 18:07
MinceR	that putin video is indeed funny	Sep 11 18:07
MinceR	if it's like those, then it's not accurate	Sep 11 18:08
msb__	The method used is different in the three cases, but the motivation is the same -- maintain Russia as THE ENEMY, thus keeping US citizens in fear and voting for strongman leaders.	Sep 11 18:10
MinceR	that was up to russia	Sep 11 18:10
MinceR	they had plenty of chances to become friendly	Sep 11 18:10
MinceR	they could have progressed toward democracy and market economy, diversified their economy and joined the EU.	Sep 11 18:10
MinceR	instead they chose to try and rebuild the USSR.	Sep 11 18:11
MinceR	and so we have a second Cold War and we're on the brink of WW3	Sep 11 18:11
msb__	The US and other capitalist nations attacked Russia immediately after the Bolshevik Revolution, murdering millions.	Sep 11 18:12
MinceR	so that wasn't a "coup"?	Sep 11 18:12
msb__	Then wealthy Americans gave Hitler 75% of the financing for his military buildup for WW2, so he would exterminate socialists in Russia and Europe.	Sep 11 18:13
MinceR	apparently a violent change of system must lead to dictatorship to gain msb__'s favor	Sep 11 18:13
msb__	After WW2, the US attacked some 55 nations, mostly because they were socialist or had socialist leaders, murdering 20 million people.	Sep 11 18:14
MinceR	for example, if hungarians got a clue and deposed orban tomorrow, we'd hear from you about how evil they are	Sep 11 18:14
msb__	Now the US is attacking Syria and Ukraine to harass the Russians.	Sep 11 18:14
MinceR	https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Katyn_massacre	Sep 11 18:14
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MinceR	https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Holodomor	Sep 11 18:14
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MinceR	https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gulag	Sep 11 18:15
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msb__	Well goody. Obama should start World War Three because Stalin was a bad guy.	Sep 11 18:20
MinceR	putin's role in that is unthinkable for you?	Sep 11 18:23
msb__	Are you able to respond to facts without making personal attacks?	Sep 11 18:24
msb__	MinceR: See if you can talk about the facts without mentioning me or what you claim I support or what you claim I think or would do.	Sep 11 18:27
MinceR	see if you can talk about the facts	Sep 11 18:28
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MinceR	like the fact that the west has routinely underestimated russia's willingness to use nukes since 1990 or so	Sep 11 18:29
msb__	Putin had no role in the US attacks on Syria nor in the Ukraine putsch.	Sep 11 18:29
MinceR	oh, he did have plenty of role in taking over ukraine	Sep 11 18:29
MinceR	also in annexing parts of ukraine	Sep 11 18:29
msb__	He annexed Crimea after the people there begged him to do it, because they didn't want to live under a Nazi regime. But what was his role in "taking over Ukraine" ?	Sep 11 18:31
MinceR	if the people there begged him to do it, why did he send unmarked military forces there before that?	Sep 11 18:31
MinceR	this is the guy you're looking for: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Viktor_Yanukovych	Sep 11 18:32
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msb__	I don't know if he did, but if he did it was to protect the people against Nazi attacks.	Sep 11 18:32
MinceR	that's a common excuse	Sep 11 18:32
MinceR	https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BqmboHoCcAAgE8z.jpg	Sep 11 18:33
MinceR	even the only dictatorship you don't love used it	Sep 11 18:33
msb__	Another personal attack. You just can't give it up.	Sep 11 18:35
MinceR	i don't see how that's personal	Sep 11 18:35
MinceR	you keep advertising dictatorships all over the world here	Sep 11 18:35
msb__	Sometimes invasions are to protect people. Like the US invasion of Europe in WW2.	Sep 11 18:35
MinceR	193240 < msb__> I don't know if he did, but if he did it was to protect the people against Nazi attacks.	Sep 11 18:36
MinceR	this shows how little you know	Sep 11 18:36
msb__	Yet another personal attack. Two of them actually.	Sep 11 18:36
msb__	If you talk about me, it's a personal attack. (Unless you tell me how much you love me.)	Sep 11 18:37
MinceR	that's clearly false	Sep 11 18:38
msb__	How so?	Sep 11 18:39
MinceR	talking about someone is not necessarily an attack or a declaration of love	Sep 11 18:39
msb__	It is if everything you say about me is negative.	Sep 11 18:39
MinceR	what's positive about supporting dictatorships and taking part in their misinformation campaigns?	Sep 11 18:41
msb__	I don't know. You do it all the time.	Sep 11 18:42
msb__	You support the US in destroying whole nations and murdering millions of people, and you constantly refer us to US govt propaganda websites.	Sep 11 18:43
MinceR	by the way, one of the articles you're ignoring also explains how russia (under putin) violated the Intermediate-Range Nuclear Forces Treaty, kicking the world closer to nuclear annihilation	Sep 11 18:43
MinceR	the US didn't destroy any of the nations we mentioned	Sep 11 18:43
MinceR	russia, on the other hand has destroyed several	Sep 11 18:44
MinceR	and apparently you call all websites that aren't putin apologists "US government propaganda" or even "CIA"	Sep 11 18:44
msb__	If you don't know that "Radio Free Europe" is the CIA, then you should get your head examined.	Sep 11 18:45
msb__	The US destroyed Afghanistan, Iraq, Libya, and most of Syria.	Sep 11 18:45
schestowitz	there he goes again	Sep 11 18:45
schestowitz	4 highlighs	Sep 11 18:45
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schestowitz	destROY destROY destROY destROY destROY	Sep 11 18:45
MinceR	:)	Sep 11 18:46
MinceR	194508 < msb__> If you don't know that "Radio Free Europe" is the CIA, then you should get your head examined.	Sep 11 18:46
MinceR	good thing this isn't a personal attack	Sep 11 18:46
schestowitz	yes, it's CIA funded	Sep 11 18:46
schestowitz	similar to CIA but not interchangeable	Sep 11 18:46
MinceR	one of msb__'s beloved dictators, gaddafi destroyed libya	Sep 11 18:46
schestowitz	libya was OK before	Sep 11 18:46
MinceR	islamists destroyed iraq and syria	Sep 11 18:47
schestowitz	not the place people ran away from	Sep 11 18:47
MinceR	and russia destroyed afghanistan	Sep 11 18:47
schestowitz	they're resources-rich	Sep 11 18:47
schestowitz	so the West had to ruins it	Sep 11 18:47
msb__	https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aJURNC0e6Ek	Sep 11 18:47
schestowitz	*ruin	Sep 11 18:47
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MinceR	question is, who's "resources-rich" there, the people or the dictator who owns them?	Sep 11 18:47
schestowitz	no, russia was provoked from afgh' even before going there	Sep 11 18:47
schestowitz	it was a Brezinski strategy	Sep 11 18:47
schestowitz	to entice them in	Sep 11 18:47
schestowitz	MinceR: same issue in Iraq	Sep 11 18:48
schestowitz	at least they were stable before	Sep 11 18:48
schestowitz	why doesn't the US/NATO bomb Saudi Arabia	Sep 11 18:48
schestowitz	or UQE	Sep 11 18:48
schestowitz	Bahrain	Sep 11 18:48
schestowitz	Oman	Sep 11 18:48
MinceR	being stable is little comfort to the slave	Sep 11 18:48
schestowitz	for the oil going into the pickets of very few families?	Sep 11 18:48
schestowitz	or even Brunei for that matter...	Sep 11 18:48
MinceR	those in gulags probably wished for the opposite of stability	Sep 11 18:48
schestowitz	they're not any less slaves than they were before	Sep 11 18:49
schestowitz	these issues are orthoginal	Sep 11 18:49
schestowitz	ruining these countries hasn't the goal or redistributing wealth	Sep 11 18:49
schestowitz	just some vacuous promises of "freedom and democracy'	Sep 11 18:49
schestowitz	where democracy means few British and US generals electing a puppet	Sep 11 18:49
MinceR	which would normally lead to redistributing wealth in a sense	Sep 11 18:49
schestowitz	hardly	Sep 11 18:50
schestowitz	maybe a distant side effect	Sep 11 18:50
schestowitz	it ruins the national worth	Sep 11 18:50
MinceR	living in a democracy is certainly more free and allows for more control over resources than being owned by a dictatorship	Sep 11 18:50
schestowitz	how many people have toured into Iraq for holiday?	Sep 11 18:50
MinceR	when did they do that?	Sep 11 18:50
schestowitz	How many businesses set up a HQ/branch there since Shock and Awe	Sep 11 18:50
schestowitz	Their worth and their name	Sep 11 18:51
MinceR	afaik it was pretty long ago when the muslims in the middle east weren't trying to exterminate each other	Sep 11 18:51
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schestowitz	let's be honest, NATO didn't bring democracy to Iraq and Libya	Sep 11 18:51
schestowitz	at least _not yet_	Sep 11 18:51
MinceR	they probably didn't	Sep 11 18:51
schestowitz	it's hardly even on the agenda	Sep 11 18:51
schestowitz	and watch Afgh'	Sep 11 18:51
MinceR	and it's probably not even possible	Sep 11 18:51
msb__	Watch this video to see how "dictator" Qadaffi "oppressed": his people. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aJURNC0e6Ek	Sep 11 18:51
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MinceR	just as it isn't possible to maintain democracy in hungary	Sep 11 18:51
schestowitz	it's just a showoff and discharge of many bombs and other munitions	Sep 11 18:51
schestowitz	Hungary is far better off, for now...	Sep 11 18:52
MinceR	better than who?	Sep 11 18:52
schestowitz	You don't have to worry about car bombs for instance	Sep 11 18:52
schestowitz	better than the countries we speak of	Sep 11 18:52
MinceR	i have to worry about nukes, instead	Sep 11 18:52
MinceR	is that better?	Sep 11 18:52
schestowitz	whose? Putler?	Sep 11 18:52
MinceR	yup	Sep 11 18:52
MinceR	he's playing war next door	Sep 11 18:53
schestowitz	Russia never nuked anyone, US has	Sep 11 18:53
MinceR	because the ukrainians dared to try to become democratic	Sep 11 18:53
MinceR	russia is saber-rattling, not the us	Sep 11 18:53
schestowitz	let's wait for "Hungarian separatists"	Sep 11 18:53
MinceR	russia is openly threatening everyone with nukes, not the us	Sep 11 18:53
schestowitz	with Russian accent	Sep 11 18:53
MinceR	that will not be necessary unless a revolution deposes orban/vona	Sep 11 18:53
schestowitz	Who is Orban loyal to anyway?	Sep 11 18:54
MinceR	our government loves putin, like yanukovych and lukashenka do	Sep 11 18:54
MinceR	not sure	Sep 11 18:54
schestowitz	EU, US, Russia?	Sep 11 18:54
schestowitz	and to what degree to each?	Sep 11 18:54
MinceR	certainly not to the EU or the US	Sep 11 18:54
schestowitz	based on rhetoric at least	Sep 11 18:54
schestowitz	I think he meets Putler sometimes	Sep 11 18:54
MinceR	probably to russia, but it's hard to tell to what extent	Sep 11 18:54
schestowitz	but so does Merkel	Sep 11 18:54
schestowitz	Romania gave the CIA torture sites	Sep 11 18:55
schestowitz	not far from Russia	Sep 11 18:55
schestowitz	!google romania black sites	Sep 11 18:55
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MinceR	russia is violating airspaces with nuclear carriers, not the us	Sep 11 18:55
schestowitz	!google us planes taiwan	Sep 11 18:55
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TechrightsBot-tr	[3] - Two US F-18 Fighters Forced to Land in Taiwan \| Military.com \| http://www.military.com/daily-news/2015/04/01/two-us-f-18-fighters-forced-to-land-in-taiwan.html	Sep 11 18:55
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MinceR	russia is DDoSing european countries, not the us	Sep 11 18:55
schestowitz	so that last statement is not ENTIRELY true	Sep 11 18:55
schestowitz	it's just often omitted from our media	Sep 11 18:55
schestowitz	British media speaks of such planes flying near Scotlancd	Sep 11 18:56
schestowitz	US does too	Sep 11 18:56
schestowitz	Even worse	Sep 11 18:56
schestowitz	!google us syrian internet	Sep 11 18:56
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MinceR	https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cyberattacks_during_the_Russo-Georgian_War	Sep 11 18:56
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MinceR	http://www.darkreading.com/attacks-and-breaches/ddos-attacks-hit-nato-ukrainian-media-outlets/d/d-id/1127742	Sep 11 18:56
schestowitz	!google us huaweir	Sep 11 18:56
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schestowitz	!google us huawei breach	Sep 11 18:56
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schestowitz	MinceR: yes, I read about that recently	Sep 11 18:57
schestowitz	Also Estonia	Sep 11 18:57
schestowitz	seems like there's strong evidence of Kremlin punishing Estonia using DDOS	Sep 11 18:57
MinceR	russia abducted an estonian official, not the us	Sep 11 18:57
MinceR	"punishing" for what?	Sep 11 18:57
MinceR	for the crime of not being a part of the soviet union anymore?	Sep 11 18:57
MinceR	what makes russians think they have the right to own other countries?	Sep 11 18:57
schestowitz	Right, but that's not the point	Sep 11 18:58
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MinceR	actually, it is the point	Sep 11 18:58
schestowitz	when these nations join NATO Russia sees that as a threat	Sep 11 18:58
schestowitz	it's hostility next door	Sep 11 18:58
schestowitz	and possibly nuke launch sites, not just black sites	Sep 11 18:58
MinceR	yeah, russia sees everybody not in handcuffs in a gulag as a threat	Sep 11 18:58
MinceR	it's russia's fault russia is so paranoid	Sep 11 18:58
MinceR	not anyone else's	Sep 11 18:58
schestowitz	That's the case with Ukraine, which Stalin punished by killing around 10ml people in...	Sep 11 18:58
MinceR	good thing there are no nuke launch sites in kaliningrad	Sep 11 18:59
MinceR	oh wait, there are	Sep 11 18:59
schestowitz	Russia has a history of hostility from within Europe	Sep 11 18:59
MinceR	i wonder why	Sep 11 18:59
schestowitz	notably Napoleon and Hitler	Sep 11 18:59
MinceR	why would anyone be hostile to a routine invader?	Sep 11 18:59
MinceR	why would anyone be hostile to the country that took part in putting down the https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hungarian_Revolution_of_1848 ?	Sep 11 19:00
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MinceR	russia is the one who's playing nuclear russian roulette with the entire planet, not anyone else	Sep 11 19:03
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msb__	MinceR: If you want to be a believeable CIA mouthpiece you have to put at least a little information in with your talking point, even if it's totally fabricated.	Sep 11 19:07
MinceR	msb__: if you want to be a believable putin mouthpiece you'll have to lie a little less	Sep 11 19:07
msb__	Here's a discussion indicating that the US-installed Kiev regime is not doing very well. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NEDMYCUUcYE	Sep 11 19:08
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MinceR	it's hard to do well in a poor country with russian forces on your soil.	Sep 11 19:08
MinceR	especially having no nukes (having given them up in a memorandum russia has already violated) while the russians are threatening to nuke you	Sep 11 19:09
MinceR	ironically, have they not signed the Budapest Memorandum, ukraine wouldn't be in such a shitty situation.	Sep 11 19:09
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MinceR	https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Budapest_Memorandum_on_Security_Assurances	Sep 11 19:10
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MinceR	"Respect Ukrainian independence and sovereignty and the existing borders."	Sep 11 19:10
schestowitz	just read about https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Katyn_massacre thanks to a link from MinceR - useful to know	Sep 11 19:12
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schestowitz	I think I saw a movie related to it, but it was in Russian without subtitles	Sep 11 19:13
schestowitz	MinceR's links are actually quite enlightening	Sep 11 19:15
schestowitz	just read about the Estonia thing	Sep 11 19:15
MinceR	i try	Sep 11 19:15
schestowitz	Even though I don't trust Vox	Sep 11 19:15
schestowitz	I'm always willing to change my stance given enough evidence that Russia is still so evil	Sep 11 19:16
schestowitz	But the US is too, in similar ways	Sep 11 19:16
schestowitz	South American countries look very peaceful in comparison	Sep 11 19:16
MinceR	the evidence that made me change my stance regarding russia was their invasion of ukraine	Sep 11 19:16
MinceR	i should have been more observant	Sep 11 19:16
schestowitz	Maybe because they don't have the power yet	Sep 11 19:16
MinceR	after all, they did shit in georgia too	Sep 11 19:17
MinceR	and who knows where else	Sep 11 19:17
schestowitz	It's easy to understand why Argentina would try to assert ownership of some places near its shore and the Antarctic areas	Sep 11 19:17
MinceR	i'm not sure about the antarctic ones	Sep 11 19:17
schestowitz	They did it in Georgia around 9/11	Sep 11 19:17
MinceR	is there oil there?	Sep 11 19:17
schestowitz	when the US would be too hypocritical to say much	Sep 11 19:17
schestowitz	And Israel punished the Palestinians collectively at that time	Sep 11 19:18
schestowitz	9/11 was a gift to many	Sep 11 19:18
MinceR	the 2014 winter olympics were pretty nasty too	Sep 11 19:18
schestowitz	I saw a movie about the operations in Georgia last year	Sep 11 19:18
schestowitz	I don't know of anything nasty except the homophobia	Sep 11 19:18
schestowitz	and the attacks on 'pussy riot' activists	Sep 11 19:19
schestowitz	though they were trolling for this reaction in a way	Sep 11 19:19
schestowitz	Cossacks whipped them when the cameras were rolling	Sep 11 19:19
MinceR	yeah, those were the worst of it	Sep 11 19:20
schestowitz	I think russia will host some big football event or athletics/Olympics soon, maybe a decade ahead?	Sep 11 19:20
schestowitz	I can't recall where and when	Sep 11 19:20
schestowitz	I have some friends who fled Russia and Ukraine	Sep 11 19:20
schestowitz	[17:41] <MinceR> http://i.4cdn.org/b/1441980895703.gif	Sep 11 19:22
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights- ( status 404 @ http://i.4cdn.org/b/1441980895703.gif )		Sep 11 19:22
schestowitz	404	Sep 11 19:22
schestowitz	what was it?	Sep 11 19:22
MinceR	a short clip of two apartment buildings falling (from above) on two planes on the ground	Sep 11 19:22
MinceR	http://www.penny-arcade.com/comic/2015/09/11/linguamancy	Sep 11 19:23
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.penny-arcade.com \| Penny Arcade - Comic - Linguamancy [ http://ur1.ca/nr7j1 ]		Sep 11 19:23
schestowitz	sounds like 9/11 in reverse	Sep 11 19:23
MinceR	pretty much	Sep 11 19:23
schestowitz	wow, this channel is flooded with Cold War-type debate	Sep 11 19:23
schestowitz	I think msb__ is to blame	Sep 11 19:23
MinceR	well, we're in the second cold war	Sep 11 19:24
schestowitz	msb__: join #boycottnovell-social	Sep 11 19:24
schestowitz	it's more suitable for politics	Sep 11 19:24
schestowitz	I can hardly find people here who try to say something about EPO, Vista 10, etc.	Sep 11 19:24
schestowitz	lots about 'putler', 'destroy', 'Nazi' and 9/11 stuff	Sep 11 19:25
schestowitz	outsiders can use that to discredit the site's articles	Sep 11 19:25
schestowitz	because these are divisive issues -- divisive not in the technology sense but politics of superpowers, plus some irrational theories	Sep 11 19:25
MinceR	outsiders can also see the #boycottnovell-social logs though, can't they?	Sep 11 19:26
schestowitz	yes, but they're more diluted	Sep 11 19:28
schestowitz	and not analogous with the site's name	Sep 11 19:28
schestowitz	people who want to dox things come here first	Sep 11 19:28
schestowitz	if they see things like these they might hesitate, or think they got the wrong channel:	Sep 11 19:29
schestowitz	[16:10] <msb__> But regarding "push your borders", the US has, by its military and the jihadist proxies it has given weapons and money to, pushed its effective borders to Afghanistan, Iraq, Libya,Ukraine, Syria, and has destroyed, or is in the process of destroying, all those nations.	Sep 11 19:29
msb__	Yes. As usual that was in response to an attack by MinceR.	Sep 11 19:30
schestowitz	it wouldn't happen if these topics weren't brought up	Sep 11 19:30
schestowitz	most/all of us agree on software freedom, drm, copyright, etc.	Sep 11 19:30
MinceR	afaik of all countries mentioned, only russia made an attempt to change its own borders	Sep 11 19:30
schestowitz	but not on politics	Sep 11 19:30
schestowitz	easy for you to not mind putin when you're so far away	Sep 11 19:30
msb__	Can't you fix your alarm so it's case-sensitive and only responds to "Roy"?	Sep 11 19:30
MinceR	shouldn't be case-sensitive, as he tends to use 'roy' as nick or part of nick	Sep 11 19:31
schestowitz	that's not my main gripe	Sep 11 19:31
MinceR	but if it only triggers at the beginning of a word, that probably helps	Sep 11 19:31
MinceR	(neither of those are necessarily easy to do, though)	Sep 11 19:31
schestowitz	there are many links here that, by inference, can be used to discredit us collectively	Sep 11 19:31
schestowitz	calling us "conspiracy nuts"	Sep 11 19:32
schestowitz	or calling the site that	Sep 11 19:32
schestowitz	some people sued radical comments in the site's comments to collectively portray me as radical, or the site as radical (because of anonymous comments)	Sep 11 19:32
schestowitz	some people are desperate for such dirt	Sep 11 19:32
schestowitz	in COLA this month some people try to refuse all my Vista 10 articles collectively	Sep 11 19:32
schestowitz	by libelling me, claiming I don't have a Ph.D and am faking it	Sep 11 19:33
schestowitz	they wrote nearly 100 posts just about that, totally made up, and they try to do the same thing using IRC logs	Sep 11 19:33
msb__	Watch all the 911 videos linked on my site and then tell me its only a "conspiracy theory". Why don't you try standing up for the objective truth?	Sep 11 19:33
schestowitz	don't give them ammo	Sep 11 19:33
schestowitz	I saw 9/11 "truther" videos	Sep 11 19:33
schestowitz	I also saw responses to them	Sep 11 19:34
schestowitz	and I made up my mind	Sep 11 19:34
schestowitz	A long time ago	Sep 11 19:34
msb__	Look at the ones on my site.	Sep 11 19:34
schestowitz	If you have NEW information, please share	Sep 11 19:34
schestowitz	the 28 pages that include role of Saudi being suepcted were recently redacted	Sep 11 19:34
msb__	Have you seen the first one?	Sep 11 19:34
schestowitz	and they didn't do anything to change my understanding of what had happened	Sep 11 19:34
schestowitz	redacted and release, partly	Sep 11 19:35
msb__	How do you explain 10 ton girders being propelled sideways at 70 mph, when F=ma and F and a are both vectors?	Sep 11 19:35
schestowitz	the ones in your site will most likely contain fragments and arguments along the line of the rest of these videos	Sep 11 19:35
schestowitz	so let it rest	Sep 11 19:35
msb__	http://cosmicpenguin.com/#911	Sep 11 19:35
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-cosmicpenguin.com \| Human Society That Works For Everyone		Sep 11 19:35
schestowitz	msb__: are you a physicist?	Sep 11 19:36
schestowitz	What is your higher education in?	Sep 11 19:36
msb__	EE	Sep 11 19:36
schestowitz	So not physics	Sep 11 19:36
msb__	and enough physics to understand a vector equation.	Sep 11 19:36
msb__	How do you explain 10 ton girders being propelled sideways at 70 mph, when F=ma and F and a are both vectors?	Sep 11 19:36
schestowitz	Ask physicists and construction /architecture people about it	Sep 11 19:37
schestowitz	You'll get a similar answer to what people get regarding global warning from actual climatilogists	Sep 11 19:37
msb__	Don't you know enough physics to understand it?	Sep 11 19:37
schestowitz	*tol	Sep 11 19:37
schestowitz	I didn't design these buildings	Sep 11 19:37
schestowitz	neither did you	Sep 11 19:37
MinceR	even the presented data are suspect and need more explanation	Sep 11 19:38
schestowitz	you and I never designed even a simple bridge	Sep 11 19:38
msb__	Argument from authority.	Sep 11 19:38
schestowitz	yes	Sep 11 19:38
schestowitz	because they are better equipped to debate is among themselves	Sep 11 19:38
msb__	BS	Sep 11 19:38
schestowitz	rather than armchair experts	Sep 11 19:38
schestowitz	imagine a construction guy arguing with us about software back doors	Sep 11 19:38
schestowitz	waste of debate time	Sep 11 19:38
msb__	Not if he knows software.	Sep 11 19:39
schestowitz	is he's a guru in software, than he's a jack of several trades	Sep 11 19:39
schestowitz	are you jack of architecture 'trade'?	Sep 11 19:39
schestowitz	And if so, what do you have to show for it?	Sep 11 19:39
schestowitz	did you ever build a prototype?	Sep 11 19:40
schestowitz	A friend of mine does	Sep 11 19:40
schestowitz	Mike is doing physics related to that stuff, and he can simulate things	Sep 11 19:40
msb__	The construction method had nothing to do with what caused the girders to fly horizontally.	Sep 11 19:40
schestowitz	not just uttering stuff like "freefall" and waving his hands about (BTW, there was no freefall speed fall, these are lies and doctored videos)	Sep 11 19:41
msb__	Are you afraid to watch those videos?	Sep 11 19:41
schestowitz	I am afraid of wasting my time AGAIN looking through them	Sep 11 19:41
MinceR	"are you... chicken?"	Sep 11 19:41
schestowitz	because it turns out some are fictional and all are intentional or unintentional dishonest	Sep 11 19:41
schestowitz	Or cite others who are dishonest	Sep 11 19:41
schestowitz	MinceR: McFly	Sep 11 19:42
MinceR	indeed	Sep 11 19:42
schestowitz	msb__: I want to post some Linux links now	Sep 11 19:42
schestowitz	No time to travel back to 9/11 'celebration' (by politicians who exploit the event)	Sep 11 19:42
schestowitz	[16:06] <Sosumi> http://arstechnica.com/information-technology/2015/09/microsoft-is-downloading-windows-10-to-pcs-even-if-you-dont-reserve-a-copy/	Sep 11 19:42
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-arstechnica.com \| Microsoft is downloading Windows 10 to PCs, even if you don’t “reserve” a copy \| Ars Technica [ http://ur1.ca/nr5de ]		Sep 11 19:42
schestowitz	Wow, Conde Nast covered it	Sep 11 19:42
schestowitz	MS Peter?	Sep 11 19:43
schestowitz	Let's see how he spins it...	Sep 11 19:43
msb__	The excuses you come up with for not accessing the evidence are like someone obeying a post-hypnotic command.	Sep 11 19:43
Sosumi	Spin Doctor	Sep 11 19:43
schestowitz	Oh, wrong guess	Sep 11 19:43
schestowitz	Not, MS Peter	Sep 11 19:43
schestowitz	" by Cassandra Khaw (UK) - Sep 11, 2015 1:20 pm UTC "	Sep 11 19:43
schestowitz	"Files of up to 6GB in size showing up in a hidden directory.'	Sep 11 19:43
schestowitz	LOL hidden directory	Sep 11 19:43
schestowitz	They hide their plot worse than people hide their pr0n directory/folder	Sep 11 19:44
Sosumi	he'll probably talk about it one way or another, trying to mitigate the bad rep	Sep 11 19:44
MinceR	maybe they'll develop a rootkit like sony's	Sep 11 19:44
MinceR	to hide stuff better	Sep 11 19:44
schestowitz	Imagine how far they need to go to hide.... WINDOWS	Sep 11 19:47
schestowitz	Not DRM or a Trojan	Sep 11 19:47
schestowitz	Just Windows, or a spyware version/incarnation thereof	Sep 11 19:48
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Samsung Z3 (SM-Z300F) could be heading for	Sep 11 19:48
TweetTuxMachines	Russia, with Tizen Love! http://t.co/NgGmJnDbRD	Sep 11 19:48
TweetTuxMachines	(www.tizenexperts.com)	Sep 11 19:48
schestowitz	I hope	Sep 11 19:48
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tizenexperts.com \| Samsung Z3 (SM-Z300F) could be heading for Russia, with Tizen Love! - Tizen Experts		Sep 11 19:48
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/nr7s4	Sep 11 19:48
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Your Best Bets for Video Playback in Linux	Sep 11 19:48
TweetTuxMachines	http://t.co/V0FcKX5ac2 (www.tuxmachines.org)	Sep 11 19:48
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/nr7s5	Sep 11 19:48
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org \| Your Best Bets for Video Playback in Linux \| Tux Machines		Sep 11 19:48
schestowitz	people will learn what the 'new' Microsoft is like	Sep 11 19:48
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines IBM Power Systems Using Ubuntu in Cancer	Sep 11 19:48
TweetTuxMachines	Treatments http://t.co/Bx2ZYCpNxf	Sep 11 19:48
TweetTuxMachines	(www.tuxmachines.org)	Sep 11 19:48
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/nr7s6	Sep 11 19:48
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org \| IBM Power Systems Using Ubuntu in Cancer Treatments \| Tux Machines		Sep 11 19:48
schestowitz	[14:40] <MinceR> http://www.rouming.cz/roumingShow.php?file=push_your_borders.jpg	Sep 11 19:48
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.rouming.cz \| Roumenův Rouming - Zábavné a zajímavé obrázky - push your borders [ http://ur1.ca/nr4i7 ]		Sep 11 19:48
schestowitz	He's not in bad shape for his age	Sep 11 19:48
MinceR	it seems that the people stopped caring	Sep 11 19:48
schestowitz	see the comment about Nigel Farage	Sep 11 19:48
schestowitz	he does look similar	Sep 11 19:48
schestowitz	Putin brings pride to some Russian people	Sep 11 19:49
schestowitz	They got nothing, except the oligarchs	Sep 11 19:49
MinceR	schestowitz: that's what his fans are wanking to	Sep 11 19:49
schestowitz	But blonde, clearn-shaved Putin gives them a sense of pride, and they don't get to vote for him	Sep 11 19:49
MinceR	crApple, m$, intel and their associates made DRM, rootkits, malware and botnets "cool", "hip" and acceptable	Sep 11 19:50
schestowitz	It's like the US where they elect people to President right from the army (generals) and Hollywood (Reagan for example)	Sep 11 19:50
MinceR	oh, also, closed platforms	Sep 11 19:50
schestowitz	No such thing in the UK, yet, AFAIK	Sep 11 19:50
MinceR	consumers who don't understand any of this are driving most of the sales	Sep 11 19:50
MinceR	and thus the IT industry dies	Sep 11 19:50
schestowitz	Rianns is posting some links in tuxmachines, I think I'll join her now, caught up with all that Cold War stuff in #techrights ..	Sep 11 19:51
MinceR	the industry is transitioning to exclusively manufacture things that are useless for anything other than naive consumption	Sep 11 19:51
schestowitz	msb__: try to post links about technology	Sep 11 19:51
schestowitz	it would do a better service to the cause/goals	Sep 11 19:51
schestowitz	Apple made me laugh this week	Sep 11 19:51
schestowitz	Apple Pencil	Sep 11 19:51
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schestowitz	I thought it was a joke	Sep 11 19:51
schestowitz	smells like something out of the Onion	Sep 11 19:51
schestowitz	!google theonion apple interface	Sep 11 19:52
TechrightsBot-tr	[1] - Apple Introduces Revolutionary New Laptop With No ... - The Onion \| http://www.theonion.com/video/apple-introduces-revolutionary-new-laptop-with-no--14299	Sep 11 19:52
TechrightsBot-tr	[2] - Apple Fans Demand Other Products They Can Feel ... - The Onion \| http://www.theonion.com/tag/apple	Sep 11 19:52
TechrightsBot-tr	[3] - Apple Introduces Revolutionary New Laptop With No Keyboard ... \| http://www.youtube.com/watch%3Fv%3D9BnLbv6QYcA	Sep 11 19:52
TechrightsBot-tr	[4] - Humor and irony: The Onion gave us a glimpse of Apple Watch UI ... \| http://www.phonearena.com/news/Humor-and-irony-The-Onion-gave-us-a-glimpse-of-Apple-Watch-UI-and-wheel-six-years-ago_id69057	Sep 11 19:52
schestowitz	Apple's stock has taken the beating, too	Sep 11 19:52
schestowitz	and Microsoft attended their event	Sep 11 19:52
schestowitz	no lessons learned	Sep 11 19:52
schestowitz	Microsoft's chief evangelist said, "I’ve killed at least two Mac conferences. [...] by injecting Microsoft content into the conference, the conference got shut down. The guy who ran it said, why am I doing this?"	Sep 11 19:53
schestowitz	I'm sure Apple fans and drones were delighted to learn about MS Office for 'i' things...	Sep 11 19:54
schestowitz	After they had paid to attend the cult event	Sep 11 19:54
MinceR	it's revolutionary in that it's inferior to wacom's offerings everyone else has been using for years	Sep 11 19:54
schestowitz	https://twitter.com/JoylynBest/status/642407624554729474	Sep 11 19:54
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@JoylynBest: #FollowFriday @Progress4Ohio @JeffreyGuterman @schestowitz for being top influencers in my community this week :)		Sep 11 19:54
schestowitz	did you see what Jobs said in 2007?	Sep 11 19:55
schestowitz	he mocked the stylus	Sep 11 19:55
schestowitz	I can find the link	Sep 11 19:55
schestowitz	He had a slide up celebrating 'i' Pad and saying stylus is bad...	Sep 11 19:55
schestowitz	I guess it took 8 years for Apple to realise they were wrong and call this wrongness "innovation"	Sep 11 19:55
schestowitz	$99 stylus	Sep 11 19:56
MinceR	yeah, i remember	Sep 11 19:56
MinceR	it was because he was always a shallow idiot	Sep 11 19:56
MinceR	does even their current attempt at a stylus get detected when close to, but not touching, the display?	Sep 11 19:57
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schestowitz	https://twitter.com/Oxfordite/status/642411484874719232	Sep 11 19:58
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@Oxfordite: "@AJimenez1988: @schestowitz @glynmoody It's perfectly regulated to avoid pesky upstarts unbalancing the statu quo." I resemble that remark!		Sep 11 19:58
DaemonFC	J. R. Bob Dobbs (formerly ZOMG Pink Ponies) says:	Sep 11 19:58
DaemonFC	The bible proves that God exists in the same way that The Hitchhiker's Guide To The Galaxy proves that Vogons are real and that you shouldn't listen to their poetry.	Sep 11 19:58
schestowitz	Dianetics proves theons exist	Sep 11 19:59
schestowitz	Did I spell this nonsense right?	Sep 11 19:59
schestowitz	Harry Potter 'proves' hobbits exist	Sep 11 19:59
schestowitz	and some children's books 'prove' witches and monsters under the bed exist	Sep 11 20:00
DaemonFC	thetans	Sep 11 20:00
MinceR	thetans	Sep 11 20:00
DaemonFC	I believe it's spelled thetans	Sep 11 20:00
MinceR	http://imgur.com/gallery/yx8heXS	Sep 11 20:01
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-imgur.com \| The guy has a point - Imgur		Sep 11 20:01
schestowitz	good one, a bit dated	Sep 11 20:05
schestowitz	and a very old counter-argument	Sep 11 20:05
schestowitz	another word is "cult'	Sep 11 20:05
schestowitz	for very small religions	Sep 11 20:05
schestowitz	but every religion starts small, i.e. "cult"	Sep 11 20:05
schestowitz	the "successful" ones get respect	Sep 11 20:05
MinceR	i call the big cults cults, too	Sep 11 20:05
MinceR	they don't deserve respect	Sep 11 20:06
schestowitz	because it's risky to involve and insult a large 'market share'	Sep 11 20:06
schestowitz	in the case of Islam, you might lose your head for it	Sep 11 20:06
schestowitz	even if you live in Europe	Sep 11 20:06
MinceR	elsewhere too	Sep 11 20:06
schestowitz	I said even	Sep 11 20:06
MinceR	i mean not only in islam	Sep 11 20:06
schestowitz	In Saudi you can get prison and lashes	Sep 11 20:07
schestowitz	in singapore a boy of 16 years of age was sent to prison for it	Sep 11 20:07
schestowitz	"insulting Christiana"	Sep 11 20:07
schestowitz	"insulting Christians"	Sep 11 20:07
DaemonFC	Ryan Farmer It wasn't the worst day in history for me. I got up and put my clothes on and had some oatmeal. I didn't personally know anyone that died. Since 9/11 over 60,000 pedestrians have been killed by vehicles due to inadequate crosswalks. Maybe Congress should spend $2 trillion on that?	Sep 11 20:07
schestowitz	DaemonFC: more than 2 trillion	Sep 11 20:08
schestowitz	maybe 2 would be for Iraq alone	Sep 11 20:08
schestowitz	the WoT thing has cost at least 4 trillion since then, based on an estimate I saw the other day	Sep 11 20:09
schestowitz	inclusive of some things I can remember	Sep 11 20:09
schestowitz	on the bright side, it created some US jobs	Sep 11 20:09
schestowitz	while killing innocent Arabs whose countries were invaded	Sep 11 20:09
schestowitz	DaemonFC: better speak of cancer research	Sep 11 20:09
MinceR	perhaps lives weren't the point	Sep 11 20:10
schestowitz	cancer kills far more than 60,000 in 14 years	Sep 11 20:10
schestowitz	maybe over 2 million in the US alone	Sep 11 20:10
schestowitz	I don't have the number offhand, I looked into that last year	Sep 11 20:10
schestowitz	it's a staggering number	Sep 11 20:10
schestowitz	even if you exclude amputees who lost limbs and breasts to cancer	Sep 11 20:10
schestowitz	so use the cancer card against WoT	Sep 11 20:11
schestowitz	or both that and driving accidents	Sep 11 20:11
schestowitz	or people killed by police, etc.	Sep 11 20:11
MinceR	web of trust?	Sep 11 20:11
schestowitz	!google how many people die each year drown bath	Sep 11 20:11
TechrightsBot-tr	[1] - Unintentional Drowning - Centers for Disease Control and Prevention \| http://www.cdc.gov/HomeandRecreationalSafety/Water-Safety/waterinjuries-factsheet.html	Sep 11 20:11
TechrightsBot-tr	[2] - Carlson: Guns don't kill people, bathtubs do \| PunditFact - PolitiFact \| http://www.politifact.com/punditfact/statements/2014/aug/15/tucker-carlson/carlson-guns-dont-kill-people-bathtubs-do/	Sep 11 20:11
TechrightsBot-tr	[3] - Someone drowns in a tub nearly every day in America - seattlepi.com \| http://www.seattlepi.com/national/article/Someone-drowns-in-a-tub-nearly-every-day-in-1201018.php	Sep 11 20:11
TechrightsBot-tr	[4] - Most Common Causes of Death Due to Injury in the US \| http://danger.mongabay.com/injury_death.htm	Sep 11 20:11
schestowitz	see [3]	Sep 11 20:12
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schestowitz	https://twitter.com/bramatti/status/642415924042199045	Sep 11 20:17
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@bramatti: Let's bomb Bathistan https://t.co/Ol9YM4LAEe		Sep 11 20:17
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz: More people have died drowning in their bath since 9/11 than in 9/11 itself http://t.co/3pIfGabjVg #NeverForget911		Sep 11 20:17
schestowitz	https://twitter.com/Vecchi_Paolo/status/642416387340824576	Sep 11 20:17
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@Vecchi_Paolo: @schestowitz Who can forget 911. It's more than a decade that with that excuse have been bombing whatever they fancied. :-(		Sep 11 20:17
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r_schestowitz	hmm.. my crappy xchat didn't recover from BT issue	Sep 11 20:35
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DaemonFC	J. R. Bob Dobbs (formerly ZOMG Pink Ponies) says:	Sep 11 20:35
DaemonFC	I thought it was funny when people were freaking out that airlines were serving Halal meals to passengers. Kosher and Halal are the same thing, except that Kosher requires a Rabbi to certify it, which means that food companies have to hire Rabbis, which adds cost to the food.	Sep 11 20:35
r_schestowitz	).	Sep 11 20:36
r_schestowitz	[20:22] <r_schestowitz> but excuses for what?	Sep 11 20:36
r_schestowitz	[20:22] <r_schestowitz> Wars?	Sep 11 20:36
r_schestowitz	[20:22] <MinceR> even wars	Sep 11 20:36
r_schestowitz	[20:23] <r_schestowitz> 9/11 is a good excuse	Sep 11 20:36
r_schestowitz	[20:23] <r_schestowitz> for bamboozling the public	Sep 11 20:36
r_schestowitz	[20:23] <r_schestowitz> evokes emotions	Sep 11 20:36
r_schestowitz	[20:23] <r_schestowitz> banking institutions falling down in the building	Sep 11 20:36
r_schestowitz	[20:23] <r_schestowitz> poor banks and hedge funds	Sep 11 20:36
r_schestowitz	[20:24] <r_schestowitz> suddenly the public wants to 'bail them out' with wars	Sep 11 20:36
r_schestowitz	[20:27] <MinceR> i haven't heard of that before	Sep 11 20:36
r_schestowitz	[20:27] <MinceR> warmongering to help banks and hedge funds?	Sep 11 20:36
r_schestowitz	[20:35] <r_schestowitz> hmm.. my crappy xchat didn't recover from BT issue	Sep 11 20:36
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MinceR	perhaps hexchat is better	Sep 11 20:37
r_schestowitz	sorry for that, pasting in for logger	Sep 11 20:37
r_schestowitz	cubelog also makes a backup	Sep 11 20:37
r_schestowitz	independent from this BT mess	Sep 11 20:37
MinceR	:)	Sep 11 20:37
r_schestowitz	I hate this BT thing, it got better 2 months ago...	Sep 11 20:38
r_schestowitz	I have something to compose about EPO now	Sep 11 20:38
r_schestowitz	new info came in	Sep 11 20:38
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines OpenWrt 15.05 "Chaos Calmer" Is a New Release	Sep 11 20:45
TweetTuxMachines	for Your Routers http://t.co/n2tg7ODA6h	Sep 11 20:45
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Pi in the sky: High altitude ballooning with	Sep 11 20:46
TweetTuxMachines	Raspberry Pi http://t.co/X9aVGCRFhL	Sep 11 20:46
TweetTuxMachines	(www.tuxmachines.org)	Sep 11 20:46
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Your Best Bets for Video Playback in Linux	Sep 11 20:46
TweetTuxMachines	http://t.co/AMdOwpz69g (www.linux.com)	Sep 11 20:46
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DaemonFC	Leigh Traweek For some, it's a dodge to score a fresher meal. I've done it.	Sep 11 20:48
DaemonFC	Ryan Farmer Yeah, I've heard of this. Maybe I should just ask for Kosher so that I don't end up on a watch list for ordering Halal. :)	Sep 11 20:49
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines IBM Power Systems Using Ubuntu in Cancer	Sep 11 20:50
TweetTuxMachines	Treatments http://t.co/7LKXB1eOp6	Sep 11 20:50
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines OpenWrt 15.05 "Chaos Calmer" Is a New Release	Sep 11 20:50
TweetTuxMachines	for Your Routers http://t.co/MJmzqKKDd9	Sep 11 20:50
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Pi in the sky: High altitude ballooning with	Sep 11 20:50
TweetTuxMachines	Raspberry Pi http://t.co/vg4DzgEK6N	Sep 11 20:50
TweetTuxMachines	(opensource.com)	Sep 11 20:50
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Today in Techrights http://t.co/TUJTSYyQhf	Sep 11 20:55
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TweetTuxMachines	@schestowitz	Sep 11 20:55
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Linux 4.3 PowerClamp Driver To Support Skylake	Sep 11 20:55
TweetTuxMachines	& Denlow http://t.co/HgKHAIy0e9	Sep 11 20:55
TweetTuxMachines	(www.phoronix.com)	Sep 11 20:55
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r_schestowitz	https://www.joindiaspora.com/posts/6582799	Sep 11 20:57
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@garidin@joindiaspora.com: ### September 11th ### Today, I will engage in the annual rituals I observe in mourning the freedoms Americans lost fourteen years ago. It's over a decade since the planes crashed into the towers. Children born then, now teenagers, will never know a time when you could walk your loved ones to the gate at the airport; will never know a time when they weren't groped and prodded by the TSA. Before 9/11, I could've		Sep 11 20:57
r_schestowitz	not a bad rant	Sep 11 20:57
r_schestowitz	[20:49] <DaemonFC> Ryan Farmer Yeah, I've heard of this. Maybe I should just ask for Kosher so that I don't end up on a watch list for ordering Halal. :)	Sep 11 20:58
r_schestowitz	Is halal only a Muslin thing, strictly?	Sep 11 20:58
r_schestowitz	*lim	Sep 11 20:58
r_schestowitz	Do Sikhs have nutritional preferences as religious law?	Sep 11 20:58
DaemonFC	I think it's a Muslim thing.	Sep 11 20:58
DaemonFC	It's the same rules as Kosher for the food itself.	Sep 11 20:58
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Fixes Already Queue Up For Graphics Drivers In	Sep 11 21:05
TweetTuxMachines	Linux 4.3 http://t.co/gCk5HKBtmP	Sep 11 21:05
TweetTuxMachines	(www.phoronix.com)	Sep 11 21:05
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Solus Distro Offers a Selection of Seven	Sep 11 21:05
TweetTuxMachines	Internet Browsers http://t.co/Dz9apwg1BQ	Sep 11 21:05
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TweetTuxMachines	(linux.softpedia.com)	Sep 11 21:05
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Fedora Seeking Feedback On Their New	Sep 11 21:05
TweetTuxMachines	Development Portal http://t.co/pEd48CI9df	Sep 11 21:05
TweetTuxMachines	(www.phoronix.com)	Sep 11 21:05
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.phoronix.com \| Fedora Seeking Feedback On Their New Development Portal - Phoronix		Sep 11 21:05
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines KDE's VDG Continues Making Design, Icon	Sep 11 21:06
TweetTuxMachines	Improvements http://t.co/Nu67GBh60V	Sep 11 21:06
TweetTuxMachines	(www.phoronix.com)	Sep 11 21:06
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines 10G WiFi gateway runs OpenWRT on 64-bit	Sep 11 21:09
TweetTuxMachines	Freescale QorIQ http://t.co/0nIYxBeaT3	Sep 11 21:09
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TweetTuxMachines	(linuxgizmos.com)	Sep 11 21:09
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Randa Report - unEyeCandy	Sep 11 21:10
TweetTuxMachines	https://t.co/Q0ko6Eg2JL (dot.kde.org)	Sep 11 21:10
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Solus Distro Offers a Selection of Seven	Sep 11 21:10
TweetTuxMachines	Internet Browsers http://t.co/0blwkAo9aD	Sep 11 21:10
TweetTuxMachines	(www.tuxmachines.org)	Sep 11 21:10
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Fedora Seeking Feedback On Their New	Sep 11 21:10
TweetTuxMachines	Development Portal http://t.co/IR7xzMvwv7	Sep 11 21:10
TweetTuxMachines	(www.tuxmachines.org)	Sep 11 21:10
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org \| Fedora Seeking Feedback On Their New Development Portal \| Tux Machines		Sep 11 21:10
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines KDE's VDG Continues Making Design, Icon	Sep 11 21:10
TweetTuxMachines	Improvements http://t.co/UyDYjYgawE	Sep 11 21:10
TweetTuxMachines	(www.tuxmachines.org)	Sep 11 21:10
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org \| KDE's VDG Continues Making Design, Icon Improvements \| Tux Machines		Sep 11 21:10
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines 10G WiFi gateway runs OpenWRT on 64-bit	Sep 11 21:10
TweetTuxMachines	Freescale QorIQ http://t.co/LW7S8AFi4O	Sep 11 21:10
TweetTuxMachines	(www.tuxmachines.org)	Sep 11 21:10
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org \| 10G WiFi gateway runs OpenWRT on 64-bit Freescale QorIQ \| Tux Machines		Sep 11 21:10
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Schedule FiOS Router Reboots with a Pogoplug	Sep 11 21:27
TweetTuxMachines	http://t.co/kNlOsjthFZ (www.tuxmachines.org)	Sep 11 21:27
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org \| Schedule FiOS Router Reboots with a Pogoplug \| Tux Machines		Sep 11 21:27
*TweetTuxMachines @Rasberry__Lover followed @tuxmachines		Sep 11 21:27
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines XCOM 2 for Linux Now Available for Pre-Purchase	Sep 11 21:27
TweetTuxMachines	on Steam http://t.co/Mg4DEmdPSm	Sep 11 21:27
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-news.softpedia.com \| XCOM 2 for Linux Now Available for Pre-Purchase on Steam - Softpedia		Sep 11 21:27
TweetTuxMachines	(news.softpedia.com)	Sep 11 21:27
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MinceR	http://www.madmagazine.com/blog/2015/09/10/celebrities-without-their-makeup-donald-trump-edition	Sep 11 21:53
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Running An http://t.co/5vV90nvkJZ (www.x.org)	Sep 11 21:56
TweetTuxMachines	Server On 64-bit ARM Can Be A Chore	Sep 11 21:56
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.phoronix.com \| Running An X.Org Server On 64-bit ARM Can Be A Chore - Phoronix		Sep 11 21:56
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines The Performance Gains Made By AMD's RadeonSI	Sep 11 21:56
TweetTuxMachines	Open-Source Driver In Two Years	Sep 11 21:56
TweetTuxMachines	http://t.co/zIFBJIlBpH (www.phoronix.com)	Sep 11 21:56
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.phoronix.com \| The Performance Gains Made By AMD's RadeonSI Open-Source Driver In Two Years - Phoronix		Sep 11 21:56
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Cross of the Dutchman Action Adventure Arrives	Sep 11 21:56
TweetTuxMachines	on Linux	Sep 11 21:56
TweetTuxMachines	http://t.co/4kHjTp2YJS (linux.softpedia.com)	Sep 11 21:56
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Intel GPU Tools 1.12 Adds New Tests, New Tools	Sep 11 22:44
TweetTuxMachines	http://t.co/HiTZbop2DQ (www.phoronix.com)	Sep 11 22:44
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.phoronix.com \| Intel GPU Tools 1.12 Adds New Tests, New Tools - Phoronix		Sep 11 22:44
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Phoronix on Graphics http://t.co/g7k2KguWv5	Sep 11 22:44
TweetTuxMachines	(www.tuxmachines.org)	Sep 11 22:44
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org \| Phoronix on Graphics \| Tux Machines		Sep 11 22:44
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Google Releases Open Source Plans for Cardboard	Sep 11 22:44
TweetTuxMachines	v2 Viewer http://t.co/rfbWX5PKE9	Sep 11 22:44
TweetTuxMachines	(www.tuxmachines.org)	Sep 11 22:44
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*Topic for #techrights set by schestowitz!~schestowi@unaffiliated/schestowitz at Sat Jun 9 18:16:19 2012		Sep 12 03:03
cubexyz	wego almost seems like a throwback to naplps style weather reporting	Sep 12 03:09
cubexyz	reading stallman's Q&A	Sep 12 03:27
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines today's leftovers http://t.co/UKeooqW8bl	Sep 12 03:53
TweetTuxMachines	(www.tuxmachines.org)	Sep 12 03:53
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org \| today's leftovers \| Tux Machines		Sep 12 03:53
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Links 11/9/2015: Rackspace Liaising With	Sep 12 03:54
TweetTuxMachines	Canonical, Amarok 3.0 on the Way	Sep 12 03:54
TweetTuxMachines	http://t.co/xw9SfVIKgK (techrights.org)	Sep 12 03:54
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msb__	cubexyz: What did you mean? "time to consider coppermine...it has no such dependency"	Sep 12 06:45
cubexyz	I mean use the coppermine photo gallery, which may or may not be a suitable replacement for what schestowitz was using	Sep 12 06:46
cubexyz	I use it on my server	Sep 12 06:46
cubexyz	it doesn't phone out for other services	Sep 12 06:46
msb__	I thought coppermine was the name of a cpu.	Sep 12 06:47
cubexyz	it is, it's also the name of photo gallery software	Sep 12 06:47
msb__	weird	Sep 12 06:48
msb__	thanks	Sep 12 06:48
cubexyz	sorry about the ambigiuity :)	Sep 12 06:48
cubexyz	perhaps not the best name for it	Sep 12 06:48
cubexyz	http://www.maxhost.org/coppermine/index.php	Sep 12 06:49
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.maxhost.org \| Coppermine Photo Gallery - Home [ http://ur1.ca/nrdvt ]		Sep 12 06:49
msb__	Brit Labor politician Jeremy Corbyn featured on RT. Is that "putler propaganda"?	Sep 12 07:11
msb__	Uh-oh. Now it's showing Bernie Sanders saying government should represent everyone, not the "top 1%". Thank you Putin!	Sep 12 07:12
msb__	"Siri, do you respect my privacy?" "I've never really thought about it."	Sep 12 07:16
msb__	China will do first head transplant in Dec. 2017.	Sep 12 07:26
msb__	Haj-Paj: crane falls on world's largest mosque, killing 107 pilgrims.	Sep 12 07:28
msb__	RT says Dick Cheney lied about Saddam having nukes, got us into Iraq war, killing 1,000,000. Russian propaganda!	Sep 12 07:39
cubexyz	wow, they have 2 TB SD cards now	Sep 12 08:23
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Google open-sources language-agnostic, scalable	Sep 12 08:28
TweetTuxMachines	software tool http://t.co/3kMicDeawp	Sep 12 08:28
TweetTuxMachines	(www.tuxmachines.org)	Sep 12 08:28
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org \| Google open-sources language-agnostic, scalable software tool \| Tux Machines		Sep 12 08:28
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cubexyz	msb__, where will they get the heads from?	Sep 12 08:29
cubexyz	it's not like we have heads-in-jars technology	Sep 12 08:29
msb__	The person they're preserving is a paraplegic. The body will be someone brain-dead.	Sep 12 08:30
msb__	They will be severed at the same time. No jars. (No neck-juice.)	Sep 12 08:31
cubexyz	have they ever sucessfully done a head transplant on any animal?	Sep 12 08:31
msb__	Seems I recall one -- a temporary graft.	Sep 12 08:31
cubexyz	ok, dogs and rats	Sep 12 08:32
msb__	Yep	Sep 12 08:32
msb__	Doesn't seem like they'd be able to connect any of the nerves. But Superman lasted a while.	Sep 12 08:33
cubexyz	those early experiments croaked after a few days though	Sep 12 08:33
cubexyz	superman?	Sep 12 08:33
msb__	The actor who played him. Spinal cord severed in a horse accident.	Sep 12 08:34
cubexyz	oh Christopher Reeves I think	Sep 12 08:34
msb__	sounds right	Sep 12 08:34
msb__	I think they said the head guy is some computer pro.	Sep 12 08:35
cubexyz	with some of the rats they got 2 heads	Sep 12 08:35
cubexyz	like, their normal one plus one extra	Sep 12 08:35
msb__	Right	Sep 12 08:35
msb__	Should be possible to connect the esophagus, trachea, vagus nerve.	Sep 12 08:36
cubexyz	they also created headless mice by knocking out a gene	Sep 12 08:37
cubexyz	which die upon birth	Sep 12 08:37
msb__	ick	Sep 12 08:37
cubexyz	yeah, it's definitely mad scientist stuff	Sep 12 08:38
msb__	Did you see the movie redone by MST3K about the severed head of a woman in a tray of "neck juice" (as they called it).	Sep 12 08:39
msb__	I think she could talk, which was silly.	Sep 12 08:39
cubexyz	The Brain That Wouldn't Die I think	Sep 12 08:39
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*Topic for #techrights set by schestowitz!~schestowi@unaffiliated/schestowitz at Sat Jun 9 18:16:19 2012		Sep 12 08:57
msb__	I just remembered. There was a fembot in Buffy.	Sep 12 08:57
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schestowitz	https://twitter.com/michael_at_work/status/642606024357081088 https://twitter.com/michael_at_work/status/642607033850564608	Sep 12 09:17
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@michael_at_work: @schestowitz People live on & for: air, water, food (from nature); would die without it. Corporations live (by definition) on money.		Sep 12 09:17
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@michael_at_work: @schestowitz An epistemological, but unfortunately not a legal, distinction.		Sep 12 09:17
schestowitz	https://twitter.com/FreiheitExpert/status/642619264814460928	Sep 12 09:46
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@FreiheitExpert: New torture details guys! https://t.co/X1wZhnlcoj		Sep 12 09:46
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz: US government blocks release of new #CIA #torture details http://t.co/tXLTooei4A http://t.co/sWnsnU7GBs http://t.co/wJeBLyduiW		Sep 12 09:46
*TweetTuxMachines @linuxaio favourited 'Linux AIO Now Offers ISO Images with the...'		Sep 12 09:55
schestowitz	https://twitter.com/retroDoomer/status/642623223985672192	Sep 12 11:04
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@retroDoomer: @schestowitz rest assured a heap of us are kicking up a stink about it. Including doing live readings in public		Sep 12 11:04
*TweetTuxMachines @linuxaio favourited 'Linux AIO Now Offers ISO Images with the...'		Sep 12 11:04
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Release of Bugzilla 5.0.1, 4.4.10, and 4.2.15	Sep 12 11:05
TweetTuxMachines	http://t.co/tq1mb4pH5e (error)	Sep 12 11:05
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org \| Release of Bugzilla 5.0.1, 4.4.10, and 4.2.15 \| Tux Machines		Sep 12 11:05
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Six things financial services technical leaders	Sep 12 11:51
TweetTuxMachines	need to consider around open source software	Sep 12 11:51
TweetTuxMachines	http://t.co/wDCEQUOCZv (www.tuxmachines.org)	Sep 12 11:51
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/nrg2m	Sep 12 11:51
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org \| Six things financial services technical leaders need to consider around open source software \| Tux Machines		Sep 12 11:51
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Links 11/9/2015: Rackspace Liaising With	Sep 12 11:51
TweetTuxMachines	retweeted by Canonical, Amarok 3.0 on the Way	Sep 12 11:51
TweetTuxMachines	@schestowitz http://t.co/xw9SfVIKgK (techrights.org)	Sep 12 11:51
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/nrg2n	Sep 12 11:51
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schestowitz	https://twitter.com/GBabeuf/status/642664963748659200	Sep 12 12:46
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@GBabeuf: Kathryn Bigelow: siren of the military-entertainment complex. https://t.co/nWb7L4D25s		Sep 12 12:46
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz: The director of the #CIA secretly helped produce Hollywood's pro #torture movie (using lies) http://t.co/5byAzUyKJI		Sep 12 12:46
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msb__	Osama bin Laden was reported to have died a natural death in 2001, in a story in Fox News. http://www.foxnews.com/story/2001/12/26/report-bin-laden-already-dead.html	Sep 12 13:17
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.foxnews.com \| Report: Bin Laden Already Dead \| Fox News [ http://ur1.ca/nrglv ]		Sep 12 13:17
msb__	This article by Paul Craig Roberts is totally skeptical about the Seal Team 6 story: http://www.globalresearch.ca/the-mysterious-death-of-osama-bin-laden-creating-evidence-where-there-is-none/25898	Sep 12 13:20
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.globalresearch.ca \| The Mysterious Death of Osama bin Laden: Creating Evidence Where There Is None \| Global Research - Centre for Research on Globalization [ http://ur1.ca/nrgmi ]		Sep 12 13:20
msb__	Roberts was former Assistant Secretary of the US Treasury and Associate Editor of the Wall Street Journal,	Sep 12 13:21
msb__	Looks like there was a neighbor who saw the Seal Team 6 event and tells an entirely different story.	Sep 12 13:24
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schestowitz	https://twitter.com/mellenoweth/status/642678757283745793	Sep 12 13:42
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@mellenoweth: "Political language... designed to make lies sound truthful & murder respectable..." http://t.co/js9bXTJUEg https://t.co/ObQ4LTGWBY		Sep 12 13:42
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz: #quantamagazine paints both #gchq and #nsa as defenders of #privacy https://t.co/TtVIDlLmIU how perverse a concept		Sep 12 13:42
schestowitz	there's also the Hersh story	Sep 12 13:43
schestowitz	the truth may be somewhere in between all these accounts	Sep 12 13:43
schestowitz	But it doesn't matter that much	Sep 12 13:43
schestowitz	just some glorified old man, who died at some stage	Sep 12 13:43
msb__	And a little-known fact is that his middle name was "Patsy".	Sep 12 13:48
msb__	At least, that's what the CIA called him.	Sep 12 13:51
MinceR	http://i.imgur.com/YZLxtNv.jpg	Sep 12 13:52
MinceR	https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MOS_Technology_CIA	Sep 12 13:52
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-en.wikipedia.org \| MOS Technology CIA - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia [ http://ur1.ca/nrgtp ]		Sep 12 13:52
MinceR	081258 < msb__> Uh-oh. Now it's showing Bernie Sanders saying government should represent everyone, not the "top 1%". Thank you Putin!	Sep 12 13:54
msb__	Agghh! and 8^)	Sep 12 13:54
MinceR	1% is still more than what the russian government represents	Sep 12 13:54
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schestowitz	https://twitter.com/deusexstigma/status/642682417359130624	Sep 12 13:57
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@deusexstigma: @schestowitz no different to bludy USA!!		Sep 12 13:57
msb__	MinceR: That statement is rather vague. And there seems to be some brown material clinging to it.	Sep 12 13:58
MinceR	http://www.economist.com/node/9682621	Sep 12 13:58
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.economist.com \| The making of a neo-KGB state \| The Economist		Sep 12 13:58
MinceR	russia is a mafia state, like hungary	Sep 12 13:59
MinceR	(though they did it first)	Sep 12 13:59
msb__	MinceR: While I'm sure The Economist would _never_ lie, I'm not going to register with them so they can spam me. I guess you're signed up with them as part of your job.	Sep 12 14:01
MinceR	i didn't need to	Sep 12 14:01
MinceR	i can read the article without registration	Sep 12 14:02
msb__	CIA proxy?	Sep 12 14:02
MinceR	maybe they don't want to sell their articles in hungary	Sep 12 14:03
MinceR	or the paywall is extremely badly implemented	Sep 12 14:03
MinceR	archive.is has a copy: https://archive.is/4N2my	Sep 12 14:04
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-archive.is \| The making of a neo-KGB state \| The Economist		Sep 12 14:04
MinceR	http://imgur.com/gallery/cAN2O2J	Sep 12 14:08
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-imgur.com \| ALERTS TO THREATS IN 2015 EUROPE From JOHN CLEESE - Imgur		Sep 12 14:08
MinceR	usian ("american") threat levels are in the comments	Sep 12 14:11
msb__	Eight years old and full of crap. It doesn't mention the most important event: Yeltsin, acting as an agent of the US, applied "disaster capitalism" techniques to the Russian economy, and sold off most of the state's assets at 10% of what they were worth to ultra-wealthy Americans, Israelis, etc.	Sep 12 14:11
MinceR	sounds like what everyone did in the eastern bloc	Sep 12 14:13
MinceR	and yet most of the eastern bloc did not sink back into dictatorship, somehow	Sep 12 14:13
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msb__	Yeltsin utterly destroyed the Russian economy. See Chapter 11 of The Shock Doctrine: The Rise of Disaster Capitalism by Naomi Klein.	Sep 12 14:25
msb__	The US also lives in a dictatorship of the ultra-wealthy. The question is, do the decisions that the oligarchy makes benefit only themselves or the rest of the citizens. Putin seems to have done a pretty good job of maintaining and growing the fraction of the Russian economy that was left after Yeltsin.	Sep 12 14:27
MinceR	yeltsin could hardly have destroyed an economy the communists have already destroyed	Sep 12 14:28
msb__	Have you read the Klein book?	Sep 12 14:28
MinceR	no	Sep 12 14:28
msb__	Then you don't know what you're talking about.	Sep 12 14:28
MinceR	right, because there's only one Holy Book the Truth can be obtained from	Sep 12 14:29
MinceR	why do you think the russians removed their military from most of the eastern bloc around 1989/90?	Sep 12 14:29
schestowitz	https://twitter.com/AJimenez1988/status/642698060833923072	Sep 12 14:57
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@AJimenez1988: @schestowitz And depends on the subject. Gender, race and religion are minefields.		Sep 12 14:57
schestowitz	http://www.catchnews.com/national-news/myanmar-indian-security-forces-strike-again-three-militants-killed-1441768873.html	Sep 12 15:01
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.catchnews.com \| Myanmar: Indian security forces strike again, three militants killed [ http://ur1.ca/nrhby ]		Sep 12 15:01
schestowitz	https://twitter.com/latomatemasquee/status/642698853364461568	Sep 12 15:03
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@latomatemasquee: #UE #USA #data https://t.co/HwmQnC6Tj3		Sep 12 15:03
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz: EU and US sign law enforcement data pact https://t.co/iZmquNmrQL "The Americans are refusing to budge"		Sep 12 15:03
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schestowitz	https://twitter.com/jurasick/status/642710102869442562	Sep 12 15:52
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@jurasick: @schestowitz there are lies, damn lies, statistics, & then American "independent" MSM. When one has the megaphone, anything can be truth.		Sep 12 15:52
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Mesa 11.0 Officially Released With OpenGL 4.1	Sep 12 19:05
TweetTuxMachines	For RadeonSI/Nouveau http://t.co/Gv081T0U3r	Sep 12 19:05
TweetTuxMachines	(www.phoronix.com)	Sep 12 19:05
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/nrj8q	Sep 12 19:05
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Compact fanless SBC runs Linux on Skylake,	Sep 12 19:05
TweetTuxMachines	features 4K video http://t.co/Q7WSumDZAL	Sep 12 19:05
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TweetTuxMachines	(linuxgizmos.com)	Sep 12 19:05
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/nrj8r	Sep 12 19:05
msb__	Jeremy Corbyn wins leadership of Labour Party with 60% of the votes! If we could elect Bernie Sanders it would change the world!	Sep 12 19:06
MinceR	what's the relationship between Sanders and the Labour Party?	Sep 12 19:07
msb__	Both leftists.	Sep 12 19:07
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msb__	Progressive tax system, against air strikes in Syria, get rid of Trident missiles.	Sep 12 19:11
MinceR	...by firing them at someone? :>	Sep 12 19:11
msb__	Against austerity and disaster-capitalism. Read, read!	Sep 12 19:16
MinceR	i think nuclear disarmament is irresponsible until putin is dealt with and such threats can be prevented in the future	Sep 12 19:17
MinceR	and it may also well be futile due to the violation of the Budapest Memorandum	Sep 12 19:17
schestowitz	[13:58] [Notice] -TechrightsBot-tr to #techrights- www.economist.com \| The making of a neo-KGB state \| The Economist	Sep 12 19:19
schestowitz	KGB is just a bad label	Sep 12 19:19
schestowitz	they renamed to FSB in a way	Sep 12 19:19
MinceR	the point remains the same, though	Sep 12 19:19
MinceR	a small cadre of cronies from an organization that served the ussr owns russia now	Sep 12 19:20
msb__	Russia stated it was never under obligation to "force any part of Ukraine's civilian population to stay in Ukraine against its will." Russia suggested that the US was in violation of the Budapest Memorandum, describing the Euromaidan as a "US-instigated coup".	Sep 12 19:20
MinceR	that was not what they were obliged to do, indeed	Sep 12 19:21
MinceR	they were obliged to "Respect Ukrainian independence and sovereignty and the existing borders"	Sep 12 19:21
MinceR	and that is what they violated	Sep 12 19:21
MinceR	and yes, russia lying is not new at all	Sep 12 19:22
msb__	US was in violation of the Budapest Memorandum, describing the Euromaidan as a "US-instigated coup"	Sep 12 19:22
MinceR	point is, i don't see why any country would be willing to disarm itself after seeing that any guarantees they would get in exchange for it are worthless	Sep 12 19:23
msb__	Which it certainly was.	Sep 12 19:23
MinceR	the only thing the us and the uk could achieve by getting rid of the Trident missiles would be possibly becoming parts of the russian empire.	Sep 12 19:23
MinceR	but hey, self-destructive behavior is not alien to humans in any way	Sep 12 19:24
MinceR	if that's what they want, they should go ahead	Sep 12 19:24
msb__	Ukraine had an enormous stock of Russian ICBMs before the Budapest Memorandum. They were under Russian control, but imagine if the Ukrainians had them now after the US/Nazi coup! It's possible the computers could have been hacked.	Sep 12 19:29
MinceR	then russia would not have been so cavalier about attacking ukraine	Sep 12 19:31
MinceR	of course, that would have done little to protect estonia	Sep 12 19:31
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msb__	"russia...attacking ukraine" Clever of you to avoid mentioning 1. the US attack on Ukraine by Nazi proxies and 5 billion dollars and 2. The fervent requests and referendum of the people in Crimea. Making people forget who started a conflict and who responded is a classic propaganda technique.	Sep 12 19:35
MinceR	this is the sort of thing you called a personal attack earlier	Sep 12 19:37
MinceR	and yes it is, and you're using this technique all the time	Sep 12 19:37
msb__	As to Estonia, didn't one of your CIA-based articles say that the US had put major weapons in Estonia on the border with Russia?	Sep 12 19:38
MinceR	we'll see if you live to get what you're asking for -- getting killed by a russian nuke	Sep 12 19:38
msb__	But you _did_ use that lying propaganda technique.	Sep 12 19:38
MinceR	i've found a map of the CIA according to msb__ >> https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Russian_Federation_%28orthographic_projection%29.svg	Sep 12 19:38
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MinceR	the gray parts are the CIA	Sep 12 19:39
msb__	I gave precise details of it.	Sep 12 19:39
MinceR	and the white parts too	Sep 12 19:39
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Another set-top box running linux	Sep 12 19:41
TweetTuxMachines	http://t.co/c63cylN8Cn (www.prnewswire.com)	Sep 12 19:41
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Nokia Back to Linux http://t.co/s6Gy7kwzMu	Sep 12 19:41
TweetTuxMachines	(news.softpedia.com) http://t.co/VYIcmVGZmp	Sep 12 19:41
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Nokia Back to Linux http://t.co/n7rqPyyxNH	Sep 12 19:41
TweetTuxMachines	(www.tuxmachines.org)	Sep 12 19:41
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/nrjjx	Sep 12 19:41
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org \| Nokia Back to Linux \| Tux Machines		Sep 12 19:41
msb__	Movement in Britain to legalize marijuana!	Sep 12 19:43
MinceR	they shouldn't have voted for the tories, then	Sep 12 19:44
msb__	?	Sep 12 19:46
msb__	People testifying that cannabidiol cured their cancers!	Sep 12 19:48
schestowitz	https://joindiaspora.com/posts/6586015	Sep 12 19:48
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: Drawing with LibreOffice http://standardsandfreedom.net/index.php/2015/09/12/drawing-with-libreoffice/ #libreoffice #graphics		Sep 12 19:48
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights--> standardsandfreedom.net \| Drawing with LibreOffice \| Moved by Freedom – Powered by Standards [ http://ur1.ca/nrjmk ]		Sep 12 19:48
schestowitz	"as noticed in article, there are really good examples of magazine made with LO : https://pt-br.libreoffice.org/projetos/revista/"	Sep 12 19:48
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-pt-br.libreoffice.org \| Revista \| LibreOffice - A melhor suite office livre [ http://ur1.ca/nrjmp ]		Sep 12 19:49
msb__	Hope Putin doesn't ban RT for this program on cannabis like he banned wikipedia.	Sep 12 19:49
schestowitz	Drawing tools like these have much lower learning curve, too	Sep 12 19:49
schestowitz	msb__: he hardly banned it	Sep 12 19:49
schestowitz	maybe very briefly, but it was a threat	Sep 12 19:49
schestowitz	which was later revoked	Sep 12 19:49
msb__	He banned it and then cancelled the ban.	Sep 12 19:49
schestowitz	https://joindiaspora.com/posts/6585085	Sep 12 19:50
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: In Putin’s Russia, #Internet watches you http://arstechnica.co.uk/tech-policy/2015/09/the-red-web-in-putins-russia-internet-watches-you/ "Russian reporters show the Kremlin relies on "threat and intimidation.""		Sep 12 19:50
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights--> arstechnica.co.uk \| The Red Web: In Putin’s Russia, Internet watches you \| Ars Technica UK [ http://ur1.ca/nrjn2 ]		Sep 12 19:50
schestowitz	Muscle-flexing	Sep 12 19:50
MinceR	fascist posturing	Sep 12 19:51
MinceR	pathetic.	Sep 12 19:51
schestowitz	"	Sep 12 19:51
schestowitz	Inside the Kremlin Troll Army Machine: Templates, Guidelines, and Paid Posts	Sep 12 19:51
schestowitz	http://globalvoicesonline.org/2015/03/14/russia-kremlin-troll-army-examples/	Sep 12 19:51
schestowitz	"	Sep 12 19:51
MinceR	but not as pathetic as the people who fall for it	Sep 12 19:51
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-globalvoicesonline.org \| Inside the Kremlin Troll Army Machine: Templates, Guidelines, and Paid Posts · Global Voices [ http://ur1.ca/nrjn4 ]		Sep 12 19:51
schestowitz	"“Putin’s Russia” - oh please…"	Sep 12 19:51
MinceR	and worship putler	Sep 12 19:51
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schestowitz	"	Sep 12 19:51
schestowitz	Soldatov seems to imply that Snowden works for the Russians	Sep 12 19:51
schestowitz	http://www.agentura.ru/english/press/noplacetohidereview/	Sep 12 19:51
schestowitz	Obama is proud of you.	Sep 12 19:51
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.agentura.ru \| Agentura.ru - No Place to Hide by Glenn Greenwald: review [ http://ur1.ca/nrjnc ]		Sep 12 19:51
schestowitz	"	Sep 12 19:51
msb__	US has a troll army. Even Microsoft does.	Sep 12 19:51
msb__	Israel too.	Sep 12 19:53
schestowitz	https://joindiaspora.com/posts/6584660	Sep 12 19:54
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: #india calls "Ministry of Information" what George Orwell (Blair) sarcastically called "Ministry of Truth" http://thewire.in/2015/09/08/the-humpty-dumpty-censorship-of-television-in-india-10224/		Sep 12 19:54
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights--> thewire.in \| The Humpty Dumpty Censorship of Television in India \| The Wire [ http://ur1.ca/nrjo9 ]		Sep 12 19:54
schestowitz	"	Sep 12 19:54
schestowitz	The use of the word “paranoia” is, at best, lazy. Would be good to see intelligent analysis of censorship - what is being censored and why (requires understanding).	Sep 12 19:54
schestowitz	This gives us an insight into matters which might not be well know.	Sep 12 19:54
schestowitz	Threats to state/government might be internal/external. The west does not talk much about internal and external problems of India.	Sep 12 19:54
schestowitz	So is this control-freakery (Blair), religous pressures - are there political threats etc. ?	Sep 12 19:54
schestowitz	India has Maoist insurgency problems, its media is prudish, but not Victorian (no christian hangups), the government is Hinduistic, but India has a huge moslem population - do they ignore the dangers of ISIS/USA/Pakistan utilising this?	Sep 12 19:54
schestowitz	Accusations of censorship are mundane since it happens everywhere - govt does it openly - otherwise it’s done covertly by media proprietors. Interesting is an analysis of why it is happening - esp. if it is open censorship (laws).	Sep 12 19:54
schestowitz	NB - nominally govt. censorship is open and democratic - proprietary censorship is conspiratory and not accountable.	Sep 12 19:54
schestowitz	"	Sep 12 19:54
schestowitz	"	Sep 12 19:54
schestowitz	Anyway - reading that article it seems that India is dealing with it (takes time) - they are discussing censorship! :)	Sep 12 19:54
schestowitz	Does that happen in Singaporean or Chinese media? (I don’t know - don’t read Chinese and wouldn’t trust western reports)	Sep 12 19:54
schestowitz	"	Sep 12 19:54
schestowitz	msb__: US also	Sep 12 19:54
schestowitz	US	Sep 12 19:54
schestowitz	77th Brigade	Sep 12 19:54
schestowitz	US	Sep 12 19:55
schestowitz	UK	Sep 12 19:55
schestowitz	Damn it, can't type it right	Sep 12 19:55
schestowitz	Freudian slip	Sep 12 19:55
schestowitz	http://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2015/jan/31/british-army-facebook-warriors-77th-brigade	Sep 12 19:55
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.theguardian.com \| British army creates team of Facebook warriors \| UK news \| The Guardian [ http://ur1.ca/jlmbp ]		Sep 12 19:55
schestowitz	https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/77th_Brigade_%28United_Kingdom%29	Sep 12 19:55
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-en.wikipedia.org \| 77th Brigade (United Kingdom) - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia [ http://ur1.ca/nrjot ]		Sep 12 19:55
msb__	"<msb__> US has a troll army. Even Microsoft does."	Sep 12 19:55
schestowitz	"	Sep 12 19:56
schestowitz	The 77th Brigade is a British Army formation, created in January 2015 under the Army 2020 concept.[3] It is the renaming of the Security Assistance Group which was created under the Army 2020 concept.[4][5] It is based at Denison Barracks in Hermitage, Berkshire and will be fully operational by April 2015.[6][7]	Sep 12 19:56
schestowitz	The brigade was named the 77th in tribute to the 77th Indian Infantry Brigade, which was part of the Chindits, an Indian Army guerilla warfare force led by Orde Wingate who used unorthodox tactics against the Japanese in Burma in World War II. The arm badges of the revived 77th will show a mythical Burmese creature in reference to the Chindits.	Sep 12 19:56
schestowitz	"	Sep 12 19:56
schestowitz	https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/77th_Indian_Infantry_Brigade	Sep 12 19:56
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-en.wikipedia.org \| 77th Indian Infantry Brigade - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia [ http://ur1.ca/nrjp1 ]		Sep 12 19:56
MinceR	205153 < msb__> US has a troll army. Even Microsoft does.	Sep 12 19:56
MinceR	so does russia	Sep 12 19:56
MinceR	and so does crApple and redcrap	Sep 12 19:56
schestowitz	red hat has opensource,cin	Sep 12 19:57
schestowitz	with its cult that's build around the book	Sep 12 19:57
schestowitz	Open Org	Sep 12 19:57
schestowitz	and now thety build an astroturf community around it	Sep 12 19:57
schestowitz	fake grassroots	Sep 12 19:57
schestowitz	on Red Hat payroll	Sep 12 19:57
schestowitz	selling the CEO's book	Sep 12 19:57
schestowitz	https://joindiaspora.com/posts/6577799	Sep 12 20:01
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: #Microsoft is downloading #vista10 to your machine 'just in case' http://www.theinquirer.net/inquirer/news/2425381/microsoft-is-downloading-windows-10-to-your-machine-just-in-case wow, botnet with spyware. Legal?		Sep 12 20:01
schestowitz	"	Sep 12 20:01
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights--> www.theinquirer.net \| Microsoft is downloading Windows 10 to your machine 'just in case'- The Inquirer [ http://ur1.ca/nr1oc ]		Sep 12 20:01
schestowitz	I was also thinking, this “preparation” might be part of the reported P2P-based “distribution” of Windows and Windows Updates. Doesn’t make it less a crime of stealing bandwidth and storage.	Sep 12 20:01
schestowitz	Seems I need to figure out which IP-range/domain names they’re using and lock them down for all “unregistered” systems in my network.	Sep 12 20:01
schestowitz	I wonder when my relatives will start calling me on this issue.	Sep 12 20:01
schestowitz	"	Sep 12 20:01
schestowitz	best to work on moving away from Windows altogether, it'll only get worse over time based on what contacts in Microsoft told me	Sep 12 20:01
msb__	I have friends with "super easy to use" Macs who sometimes can't figure out how to use them, and ask me. Fortunately another friend is a Mac expert.	Sep 12 20:04
MinceR	lol	Sep 12 20:04
msb__	I keep telling them to get stock PCs at half the price and put Linux on them, but oh no, they love Macs.	Sep 12 20:07
MinceR	then they should figure out how to use them	Sep 12 20:11
schestowitz	https://joindiaspora.com/posts/6583764	Sep 12 20:16
schestowitz	"Look up the Latin words from which “Corporation” is derived. The dead have no morals or conscience."	Sep 12 20:16
schestowitz	"My grandmother is dead. Don’t say that about her."	Sep 12 20:16
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: You can get a lot of PEOPLE to VOLUNTARILY recycle their ☠ (no personal gain), but cannot get CORPORATIONS to respect this w/o carbon TAX		Sep 12 20:16
schestowitz	"She’s not a corporation."	Sep 12 20:16
MinceR	lol	Sep 12 20:17
MinceR	"Corporations are people, my friend!"	Sep 12 20:17
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MinceR	it has nothing to do with dead people or dead bodies, though	Sep 12 20:20
MinceR	https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/corporation	Sep 12 20:20
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-en.wiktionary.org \| corporation - Wiktionary [ http://ur1.ca/nrjww ]		Sep 12 20:20
MinceR	From Late Latin corporatio ‎(“assumption of a body”), from Latin corporare, past participle corporatus ‎(“to form into a body”)	Sep 12 20:20
schestowitz	https://twitter.com/BlenderNation/status/642782215030591488	Sep 12 20:32
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@BlenderNation: Anyone interested in ffmpeg and the vp9 format? https://t.co/YDdzJelP27		Sep 12 20:32
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz: Video: Blender's new short film and ffmpeg vp9 test http://t.co/70WwckdYOg #blender3d #freesw		Sep 12 20:32
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schestowitz	https://twitter.com/toxicleaders/status/642784554584002561	Sep 12 20:41
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@toxicleaders: @schestowitz Thanks for supporting my petition. STOP! THE DEPARTMENT OF THE ARMY TOXIC LEADERS.https://t.co/K7nvn7GZdk		Sep 12 20:41
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights--> www.change.org \| Petition · STOP! THE DEPARTMENT OF THE ARMY TOXIC LEADERS. · Change.org		Sep 12 20:41
schestowitz	https://joindiaspora.com/posts/6583760	Sep 12 20:42
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: I've been recycling all my trash as soon as recycling facilities were made available to us. It takes extra effort, collectively beneficial.		Sep 12 20:42
schestowitz	"A lot of extra effort. I end up storing recyclables in my garage all month long waiting for pickup. It cut our landfill-destined trash in half though."	Sep 12 20:42
schestowitz	The future of one's place will be better, healthier too (underground water for instance)	Sep 12 20:42
schestowitz	https://joindiaspora.com/posts/d71646403578013338da52540061b601	Sep 12 20:43
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-joindiaspora.com \| Reshare by harry haller (nerdpol.ch) [ http://ur1.ca/nrk4m ]		Sep 12 20:43
schestowitz	https://joindiaspora.com/posts/6522341	Sep 12 20:43
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: Here’s What Actually Gets Terrorists To Tell The Truth — And It’s Not Torture http://www.buzzfeed.com/peteraldhous/torture-doesnt-work #torture h/t @glynco		Sep 12 20:43
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights--> www.buzzfeed.com \| Here’s What Actually Gets Terrorists To Tell The Truth — And It’s Not Torture - BuzzFeed News [ http://ur1.ca/nrk4o ]		Sep 12 20:43
schestowitz	"Good article, but it breezed over a major point - many of these US interrogators are well aware that torture is only useful for extracting false confessions, and so they used it to do exactly that. But what did the USA use those false confessions for?"	Sep 12 20:43
schestowitz	Like a lot of so-called intel' (re Iraq to name a recent example) whose sole purpose is to sell a policy and action plan for other reason (oil, domination, puppet regime)	Sep 12 20:44
schestowitz	https://joindiaspora.com/posts/6584827	Sep 12 20:45
schestowitz	"I’m worried about US terrorism, is that OK?"	Sep 12 20:45
schestowitz	They won't invade Mexico in the coming decade, they already have NAFTA	Sep 12 20:45
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: Mike "we kill based on metadata" #hayden wants us to worry more about #blowback than the cause of blowback http://www.washingtonexaminer.com/hayden-worry-more-about-terrorism-less-about-govt/article/2571607		Sep 12 20:45
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights--> www.washingtonexaminer.com \| Hayden: Worry more about terrorism, less about government \| Washington Examiner [ http://ur1.ca/nrk54 ]		Sep 12 20:45
schestowitz	https://joindiaspora.com/posts/6584697	Sep 12 20:45
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: Media likes to speak about #china suppression of #vpn although Five Eyes increasingly do it http://techcrunch.com/2015/09/07/china-continues-its-crackdown-on-vpn-services/ http://www.scmp.com/tech/china-tech/article/1855964/vpn-services-blocked-china-astrill-warns-increased-censorship		Sep 12 20:45
schestowitz	"Russia, China et al defence of own borders is aggression, but western attacks on foreign continents are defence. Vomit.'	Sep 12 20:45
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights--> techcrunch.com \| China Continues Its Crackdown On VPN Services \| TechCrunch [ http://ur1.ca/nrk5l ]		Sep 12 20:45
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights--> www.scmp.com \| VPN services blocked in China as Astrill warns of 'increased censorship' following WW2 parade \| South China Morning Post [ http://ur1.ca/nrk5m ]		Sep 12 20:45
schestowitz	Defence from aggression... or perceived aggression... or pre-mediated action... because there MIGHT be aggression from another nation in the future.	Sep 12 20:46
MinceR	http://thenextweb.com/insider/2015/09/12/refugee-mario-is-turning-europes-migrant-crisis-into-a-video-game/	Sep 12 21:14
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-thenextweb.com \| Refugee Mario is turning Europe's migrant crisis into a video game [ http://ur1.ca/nrkdm ]		Sep 12 21:14
schestowitz	> "President Xi is set to also have a private dinner with Microsoft	Sep 12 21:25
schestowitz	> co-founder Bill Gates before leaving Seattle for Washington."	Sep 12 21:25
schestowitz	>	Sep 12 21:25
schestowitz	> http://theweatherspace.com/2015/09/12/134318-china-flexes-tech-muscle-with-seattle-forum/	Sep 12 21:25
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-theweatherspace.com \| China flexes tech muscle with Seattle forum [ http://ur1.ca/nrkgz ]		Sep 12 21:25
schestowitz	>	Sep 12 21:25
schestowitz	> before DC. That makes Xi look very weak and at the beck and call of	Sep 12 21:25
schestowitz	> Gates.	Sep 12 21:25
schestowitz	Yes, I saw this earlier today. It's not the first time this happens, see "treachery of treacheries" by Ken Starks. Same story a decade ago...	Sep 12 21:25
MinceR	maybe he is	Sep 12 21:31
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TweetTuxMachines	@LaPlataformanet LaPlataformanet is out! http://t.co/qy1RjP0YIE	Sep 12 22:55
TweetTuxMachines	(paper.li) Stories via @tuxmachines	Sep 12 22:55
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-paper.li \| LaPlataformanet		Sep 12 22:55
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/nrlck	Sep 12 22:55
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Pinguy OS 14.04.3 Gets EFI and TRIM Support,	Sep 12 22:55
TweetTuxMachines	Based on Ubuntu 14.04.3 LTS	Sep 12 22:55
TweetTuxMachines	http://t.co/pgHQkMMFWI (www.tuxmachines.org)	Sep 12 22:55
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/nrlcl	Sep 12 22:55
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org \| Pinguy OS 14.04.3 Gets EFI and TRIM Support, Based on Ubuntu 14.04.3 LTS \| Tux Machines		Sep 12 22:55
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Docker 1.8.2 Linux Container Engine Fixes	Sep 12 22:56
TweetTuxMachines	Multiple Bash Completion Issues, More	Sep 12 22:56
TweetTuxMachines	http://t.co/luJkXM4J8T (www.tuxmachines.org)	Sep 12 22:56
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/nrlcq	Sep 12 22:56
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org \| Docker 1.8.2 Linux Container Engine Fixes Multiple Bash Completion Issues, More \| Tux Machines		Sep 12 22:56
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Manjaro XFCE 15.12 Alpha1 online	Sep 12 22:56
TweetTuxMachines	http://t.co/sKU04blCoB (www.tuxmachines.org)	Sep 12 22:56
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/nrlcr	Sep 12 22:56
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org \| Manjaro XFCE 15.12 Alpha1 online \| Tux Machines		Sep 12 22:56
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Enlightenment 0.19.10 Open-Source Desktop	Sep 12 22:56
TweetTuxMachines	Environment Out Now with 10 Bugfixes	Sep 12 22:56
TweetTuxMachines	http://t.co/i75pchlDHd (www.tuxmachines.org)	Sep 12 22:56
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/nrlcs	Sep 12 22:56
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org \| Enlightenment 0.19.10 Open-Source Desktop Environment Out Now with 10 Bugfixes \| Tux Machines		Sep 12 22:56
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