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TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     Building My Own Ubuntu http://t.co/vMdFVCtPdHSep 06 00:05
TweetTuxMachines                 (freedompenguin.com)Sep 06 00:05
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-freedompenguin.com | Building My Own Ubuntu | Freedom PenguinSep 06 00:05
TweetTuxMachines........................................  http://ur1.ca/nooupSep 06 00:05
TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     Links 5/9/2015: Elive 2.6.10 Beta, Mozilla’sSep 06 00:05
TweetTuxMachines                 Bugzilla Issue http://t.co/0AESHewqbLSep 06 00:05
TweetTuxMachines                 (techrights.org)Sep 06 00:05
TweetTuxMachines........................................  http://ur1.ca/noouqSep 06 00:05
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Links 5/9/2015: Elive 2.6.10 Beta, Mozilla’s Bugzilla Issue | TechrightsSep 06 00:05
TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     Android Leftovers http://t.co/fw7HNL8ZdoSep 06 00:05
TweetTuxMachines                 (www.tuxmachines.org)Sep 06 00:05
TweetTuxMachines........................................  http://ur1.ca/noourSep 06 00:05
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Android Leftovers | Tux MachinesSep 06 00:05
TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     Leftovers: Gaming http://t.co/D1c4iqroFWSep 06 00:05
TweetTuxMachines                 (www.tuxmachines.org)Sep 06 00:05
TweetTuxMachines........................................  http://ur1.ca/noouuSep 06 00:05
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Leftovers: Gaming | Tux MachinesSep 06 00:05
TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     today's howtos http://t.co/zicDrYhYZOSep 06 00:05
TweetTuxMachines                 (www.tuxmachines.org)Sep 06 00:05
TweetTuxMachines........................................  http://ur1.ca/noouvSep 06 00:05
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | today's howtos | Tux MachinesSep 06 00:05
TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     Leftovers: Software http://t.co/0W4TOWB6zhSep 06 00:06
TweetTuxMachines                 (www.tuxmachines.org)Sep 06 00:06
TweetTuxMachines........................................  http://ur1.ca/noouxSep 06 00:06
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Leftovers: Software | Tux MachinesSep 06 00:06
MinceRhttp://pbfcomics.com/41Sep 06 00:30
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-pbfcomics.com | The Perry Bible FellowshipSep 06 00:30
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TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     today's leftovers http://t.co/SmZFKM5Pa6Sep 06 00:50
TweetTuxMachines                 (www.tuxmachines.org)Sep 06 00:50
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | today's leftovers | Tux MachinesSep 06 00:50
TweetTuxMachines........................................  http://ur1.ca/nop8ySep 06 00:50
TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     The best Linux distro for schools? Sep 06 00:50
TweetTuxMachines                 http://t.co/ComNJ0Hijj (www.itworld.com)Sep 06 00:50
TweetTuxMachines........................................  http://ur1.ca/nop90Sep 06 00:50
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.itworld.com | The best Linux distro for schools? | ITworldSep 06 00:50
TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     "Last month, the tech giant released a new lineSep 06 00:50
TweetTuxMachines                 of Linux mainframes dubbed the LinuxONE"Sep 06 00:50
TweetTuxMachines                 http://t.co/cv7vIIx9gASep 06 00:50
TweetTuxMachines                 (www.franchiseherald.com)Sep 06 00:50
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.franchiseherald.com | IBM Joins Open Mainframe Project For Wider Linux Adoption; New LinuxONE Mainframes Launched : Trending News : Franchise HeraldSep 06 00:50
TweetTuxMachines........................................  http://ur1.ca/nop91Sep 06 00:50
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cubexyzok, I'm living in the futureSep 06 06:57
cubexyzsamsung's got 1 ghz watches with 512 megs of ramSep 06 06:57
msb__Can you talk with Dick Tracy on it?Sep 06 07:44
schestowitzhttps://twitter.com/maggiesecret/status/640363690236121088Sep 06 07:45
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@maggiesecret: but I don't see them listening 2 all T peoples's request 2 return their CPF. https://t.co/AISZQbtMI6Sep 06 07:45
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz: #pap has "charity arm" to pretend it gives a **** about #singapore and not just plutocrats http://t.co/UUshazXrGJ http://t.co/w8vX0isVI7Sep 06 07:45
schestowitzhttps://twitter.com/maggiesecret/status/640364165039652865   https://twitter.com/maggiesecret/status/640364632650059776Sep 06 07:46
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@maggiesecret: Surely in 50yrs while T nation has progressed T people hv progressed in their thinking&make better decisions https://t.co/AISZQbtMI6Sep 06 07:46
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@maggiesecret: regarding personal welfare.Listen 2 T pple on their CPF issues.Y hv this not be factored in PAP action agenda yet https://t.co/AISZQbtMI6Sep 06 07:46
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TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     Market share share of #vista10 based on pastSep 06 08:16
TweetTuxMachines                 week’s logs in #tuxmachines is 0.18%.Sep 06 08:16
TweetTuxMachines                 http://t.co/uh0QkLYUv8 (techrights.org)Sep 06 08:16
TweetTuxMachines........................................  http://ur1.ca/not0sSep 06 08:16
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Vista 10 Reality Log - TechrightsSep 06 08:16
TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     Fedora 22 – MATE DesktopSep 06 08:16
TweetTuxMachines                  http://t.co/z5rjW3LqmH (www.paulmellors.net)Sep 06 08:16
TweetTuxMachines........................................  http://ur1.ca/not0uSep 06 08:16
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.paulmellors.net | Fedora 22 – MATE Desktop | Paul Mellors DOT NETSep 06 08:16
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TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     Android is getting 'Force Touch' too on thisSep 06 08:22
TweetTuxMachines                 one phone http://t.co/ow1uXZDD7PSep 06 08:22
TweetTuxMachines                 (www.komando.com)Sep 06 08:22
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.komando.com | NO TITLESep 06 08:22
TweetTuxMachines........................................  http://ur1.ca/not35Sep 06 08:22
TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     Fedora 23 Will Have Beautiful SupplementalSep 06 08:23
TweetTuxMachines                 Wallpaper http://t.co/6F8HatJEiLSep 06 08:23
TweetTuxMachines                 (karl-tux-stadt.de) Lots of nature (all mySep 06 08:23
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-karl-tux-stadt.de | Karl-Tux-Stadt » Blog Archi » Fedora 23 Will Have Beautiful Supplemental WallpaperSep 06 08:23
TweetTuxMachines                 desktops/activities have animals)Sep 06 08:23
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TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     10 Years Debian DeveloperSep 06 08:23
TweetTuxMachines                  http://t.co/xos7NXyhXB (www.df7cb.de) "DebianSep 06 08:23
TweetTuxMachines                 such a wonderful place to be!"Sep 06 08:23
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.df7cb.de | 10 Years Debian DeveloperSep 06 08:23
TweetTuxMachines........................................  http://ur1.ca/not3cSep 06 08:23
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TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     The gcc-5 transition is coming to testingSep 06 09:22
TweetTuxMachines                 tonight https://t.co/Z6XnpWf6R8Sep 06 09:22
TweetTuxMachines                 (nthykier.wordpress.com)Sep 06 09:22
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-nthykier.wordpress.com | The gcc-5 transition is coming to testing tonight | nthykierSep 06 09:22
TweetTuxMachines........................................  http://ur1.ca/noto3Sep 06 09:22
*TweetTuxMachines @AppWonderwall favourited 'Fedora 23 Will Have Beautiful Supplemental Wallpaper http://t.co/6F8HatJEiL...'Sep 06 09:22
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TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     Next MATE Desktop Release to Add DisplaySep 06 10:21
TweetTuxMachines                 Settings and Power Management ImprovementsSep 06 10:21
TweetTuxMachines                 http://t.co/dD3pgovPVf (www.tuxmachines.org)Sep 06 10:21
TweetTuxMachines........................................  http://ur1.ca/nou6vSep 06 10:21
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Next MATE Desktop Release to Add Display Settings and Power Management Improvements | Tux MachinesSep 06 10:21
TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     A Long Term Review of Android DevicesSep 06 10:21
TweetTuxMachines                 http://t.co/JrpLTVpqZz (www.tuxmachines.org)Sep 06 10:21
TweetTuxMachines........................................  http://ur1.ca/nou6wSep 06 10:21
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | A Long Term Review of Android Devices | Tux MachinesSep 06 10:21
TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     KDE Plasma 5.4 Lands in Kubuntu 15.10 (WilySep 06 10:21
TweetTuxMachines                 Werewolf) http://t.co/1HfJLQxnv7Sep 06 10:21
TweetTuxMachines                 (www.tuxmachines.org)Sep 06 10:21
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | KDE Plasma 5.4 Lands in Kubuntu 15.10 (Wily Werewolf) | Tux MachinesSep 06 10:21
TweetTuxMachines........................................  http://ur1.ca/nou6xSep 06 10:21
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TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     Wine Announcement http://t.co/WqeAcy1DQ9Sep 06 16:02
TweetTuxMachines                 (www.tuxmachines.org)Sep 06 16:02
TweetTuxMachines........................................  http://ur1.ca/nox6dSep 06 16:02
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Wine Announcement | Tux MachinesSep 06 16:02
TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     First Tizen OS-Based Samsung Gear S2 SmartwatchSep 06 16:11
TweetTuxMachines                 To Support Both Android and iOS PlatformsSep 06 16:11
TweetTuxMachines                 http://t.co/CrM7l15iip (www.tuxmachines.org)Sep 06 16:11
TweetTuxMachines........................................  http://ur1.ca/nox9aSep 06 16:11
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | First Tizen OS-Based Samsung Gear S2 Smartwatch To Support Both Android and iOS Platforms | Tux MachinesSep 06 16:11
TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     Ubuntu Will Not Abandon DEB Packaging in FavorSep 06 16:11
TweetTuxMachines                 of Snappy, Says Mark ShuttleworthSep 06 16:11
TweetTuxMachines                 http://t.co/DJCWsoLprH (www.tuxmachines.org)Sep 06 16:11
TweetTuxMachines........................................  http://ur1.ca/nox9cSep 06 16:11
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Ubuntu Will Not Abandon DEB Packaging in Favor of Snappy, Says Mark Shuttleworth | Tux MachinesSep 06 16:11
TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     Introducing Apricity OS, an Arch LinuxSep 06 16:11
TweetTuxMachines                 Derivative for the Modern Linux User - VideoSep 06 16:11
TweetTuxMachines                 http://t.co/Zjk0qnkZrl (www.tuxmachines.org)Sep 06 16:11
TweetTuxMachines........................................  http://ur1.ca/nox9dSep 06 16:11
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Introducing Apricity OS, an Arch Linux Derivative for the Modern Linux User - Video | Tux MachinesSep 06 16:11
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TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     [How To] Access Linux Files In Windows WhenSep 06 19:45
TweetTuxMachines                 Dual Booting Linux, Ubuntu, Linux Mint AndSep 06 19:45
TweetTuxMachines                 Windows 10 / 8.1 http://t.co/5halL1EWs2Sep 06 19:45
TweetTuxMachines                 (www.tuxmachines.org)Sep 06 19:45
TweetTuxMachines........................................  http://ur1.ca/nozaeSep 06 19:45
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | [How To] Access Linux Files In Windows When Dual Booting Linux, Ubuntu, Linux Mint And Windows 10 / 8.1 | Tux MachinesSep 06 19:45
TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     Nokia (NOK) Working On Android-Based SmartphoneSep 06 19:45
TweetTuxMachines                 http://t.co/asC530ANkT (www.tuxmachines.org)Sep 06 19:45
TweetTuxMachines........................................  http://ur1.ca/nozafSep 06 19:45
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Nokia (NOK) Working On Android-Based Smartphone | Tux MachinesSep 06 19:46
schestowitzhttps://twitter.com/haniefhaider/status/640596251965288449Sep 06 19:47
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@haniefhaider: @schestowitz Better to kill him as a criminal than spare him 4 what he really is..a white terrorist & damage the agitprop for endless wars?Sep 06 19:47
schestowitzdeath penalty helps show us as no more merciful or humane than, say, Saudi Arabia or Singapore (horrible regimes)...Sep 06 19:48
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schestowitzhttps://joindiaspora.com/posts/6562176Sep 06 20:00
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: #apple "OK" with apps where animals and humans killed, but not "hunters" http://www.cnet.com/uk/news/apple-bans-app-that-lets-you-shoot-at-hunters/ http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/news/cecil-lion-game-revenge-hunters-820043Sep 06 20:00
schestowitz"Think of the poachers."Sep 06 20:00
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights--> www.cnet.com | Apple bans app that lets you shoot at hunters - CNET [ http://ur1.ca/nozgt ]Sep 06 20:00
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights--> www.hollywoodreporter.com | Cecil the Lion Game That Guns Down Hunters Turned Down by Apple, Approved by Google - Hollywood Reporter [ http://ur1.ca/nozgu ]Sep 06 20:00
schestowitzThis game might incite animals against them :-)Sep 06 20:00
schestowitzhttps://joindiaspora.com/posts/6561476Sep 06 20:01
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: Can we trust Iran? Can they trust us? http://www.citizen-times.com/story/opinion/contributors/2015/09/04/can-trust-iran-can-trust-us/71705362/ "Do you find my question insulting?"Sep 06 20:01
schestowitz"Well, Persians invented chess? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chess . Hope the author is more informed"Sep 06 20:01
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights--> www.citizen-times.com | Can we trust Iran? Can they trust us? [ http://ur1.ca/nozh1 ]Sep 06 20:01
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-en.wikipedia.org | Chess - Wikipedia, the free encyclopediaSep 06 20:01
schestowitz"I see no reason to distrust Iran. Heck, I see no reason to believe that they were planning to build a nuclear bomb. Whether they can trust us, that’s a different story."Sep 06 20:01
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msb__Israel has 400 nuclear bombs and they are slowly exterminating the Palestinians.  Israel bombed the water pipes in Gaza so the Palestinians are drinking sewage.Sep 06 20:24
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schestowitzhttp://www.albawaba.com/business/pr/red-hat-announces-participation-idc-cio-summit-2015-riyadh-739756Sep 06 20:35
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.albawaba.com | Red Hat announces participation at IDC CIO Summit 2015 in Riyadh | Al Bawaba [ http://ur1.ca/nozu0 ]Sep 06 20:35
schestowitzLOLSep 06 20:35
schestowitzRiyadhSep 06 20:35
schestowitzwatch outSep 06 20:35
schestowitzor lose your head...Sep 06 20:35
schestowitz!google Riyadh beheadings 205Sep 06 20:35
TechrightsBot-tr[1] - When It Comes to Beheadings, ISIS Has Nothing Over Saudi Arabia | http://www.newsweek.com/2014/10/24/when-it-comes-beheadings-isis-has-nothing-over-saudi-arabia-277385.htmlSep 06 20:35
TechrightsBot-tr[2] - ISIS Beheadings and Saudi Punishments: 'Difference Is Clear' - NBC ... | http://www.nbcnews.com/news/world/isis-beheadings-saudi-punishments-difference-clear-n296876Sep 06 20:35
TechrightsBot-tr[3] - Saudi Arabia Has Record Year — For Beheadings — War Is Boring ... | https://medium.com/war-is-boring/saudi-arabia-has-record-year-for-beheadings-a538d0362e06Sep 06 20:35
TechrightsBot-tr[4] - WARNING: Extremely Graphic Beheading Video in Saudi Arabia ... | http://www.youtube.com/watch%3Fv%3DV9DjzvyL0RQSep 06 20:35
schestowitzI don't even want to click [4]Sep 06 20:35
schestowitzif Google at all allows it to remain onlineSep 06 20:36
TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     Themes Of The Day | http://t.co/ZQvoukf5dfSep 06 20:54
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.LinuxAndUbuntu.com | LinuxAndUbuntu - LinuxUbuntu Apps Reviews | Tutorials | HowTos | NewsSep 06 20:54
TweetTuxMachines                 (www.linuxandubuntu.com) http://t.co/86r0kxQ1u3Sep 06 20:54
TweetTuxMachines                 (www.tuxmachines.org)Sep 06 20:54
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Themes Of The Day | LinuxAndUbuntu.com | Tux MachinesSep 06 20:54
TweetTuxMachines........................................  http://ur1.ca/np037Sep 06 20:54
TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     TechBytes Episode 89: Back Into Season 5Sep 06 20:54
TweetTuxMachines retweeted by    http://t.co/pYO7xfCeBg (bytesmedia.co.uk)Sep 06 20:54
TweetTuxMachines @schestowitz    Sep 06 20:54
TweetTuxMachines........................................  http://ur1.ca/np03aSep 06 20:54
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-bytesmedia.co.uk | Bytes Media - TechBytes Episode 89: Back Into Season 5Sep 06 20:54
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schestowitzhttps://twitter.com/retroDoomer/status/640614766281515008Sep 06 21:23
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@retroDoomer: @schestowitz hahaha! We're taking over, new school versus grey beards.Sep 06 21:23
cubexyzdon't knock the grey beardsSep 06 21:24
cubexyzthe grey beards invented UnixSep 06 21:24
cubexyzdid you find a keyboard you like msb__ ?Sep 06 21:26
TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     TechBytes Episode 89: Back Into Season 5Sep 06 21:40
TweetTuxMachines retweeted by    http://t.co/pYO7xfCeBg (bytesmedia.co.uk)Sep 06 21:40
TweetTuxMachines @The_Code_Shirts  Sep 06 21:40
TweetTuxMachines........................................  http://ur1.ca/np0o6Sep 06 21:40
TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     Nokia (NOK) Working On Android-Based SmartphoneSep 06 21:41
TweetTuxMachines                 http://t.co/cyBIJU7MMO (www.bidnessetc.com)Sep 06 21:41
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.bidnessetc.com | Page Not FoundSep 06 21:41
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schestowitzhttps://twitter.com/bigonbe/status/640625017177436160Sep 06 21:43
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@bigonbe: @schestowitz The bsdutils package is built from util-linux source packageSep 06 21:43
schestowitzand that one depends on systemd?Sep 06 21:43
cubexyzwhy not just run openbsd instead?Sep 06 21:45
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cubexyzat least have one machine that's really unixSep 06 21:48
TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     Wine Announcement https://t.co/D0gm7Lk8P5Sep 06 21:49
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TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     KDE Plasma 5.4 Lands in Kubuntu 15.10 (WilySep 06 21:49
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-news.softpedia.com | KDE Plasma 5.4 Lands in Kubuntu 15.10 (Wily Werewolf) - SoftpediaSep 06 21:49
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TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     A Long Term Review of Android DevicesSep 06 21:49
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-etbe.coker.com.au | A Long Term Review of Android Devices « etbe - Russell CokerSep 06 21:49
TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     Next MATE Desktop Release to Add DisplaySep 06 21:59
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-linux.softpedia.com | Next MATE Desktop Release to Add Display Settings and Power Management Improvements - SoftpediaSep 06 21:59
TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     Ubuntu Will Not Abandon DEB Packaging in FavorSep 06 21:59
TweetTuxMachines                 of Snappy, Says Mark ShuttleworthSep 06 21:59
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-news.softpedia.com | Ubuntu Will Not Abandon DEB Packaging in Favor of Snappy, Says Mark Shuttleworth - SoftpediaSep 06 21:59
TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     Introducing Apricity OS, an Arch LinuxSep 06 21:59
TweetTuxMachines                 Derivative for the Modern Linux User - VideoSep 06 21:59
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-news.softpedia.com | Introducing Apricity OS, an Arch Linux Derivative for the Modern Linux User - Video - SoftpediaSep 06 21:59
schestowitzhttps://twitter.com/bigonbe/status/640627533109702656  https://twitter.com/bigonbe/status/640628006474620928Sep 06 22:02
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@bigonbe: @schestowitz Yes, it's that one depending on libsystemd (and not bsdmainutils) because logger write to the journal in addition to syslogSep 06 22:02
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@bigonbe: @schestowitz bsdmainutils is a collection of tools straight from *BSD, bsdutils is a GNU reimplementation of BSD tools AFAIKSep 06 22:02
schestowitzSo this kludge now makes it virtually impossible to uninstall #systemd unless you hose pretty much everythingSep 06 22:03
schestowitzhttps://twitter.com/bigonbe/status/640625017177436160Sep 06 22:04
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@bigonbe: @schestowitz The bsdutils package is built from util-linux source packageSep 06 22:04
schestowitzhttps://twitter.com/retroDoomer/status/640628256589279234Sep 06 22:06
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@retroDoomer: @schestowitz huh? I thought a week ago he said they wouldSep 06 22:06
schestowitzmaybe backpedalSep 06 22:06
schestowitzhttps://twitter.com/retroDoomer/status/640631989817610240Sep 06 22:07
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@retroDoomer: @schestowitz @bigonbe systemd is still better than init scripts which duplicate a lot of work. And people can still modify systemdSep 06 22:07
schestowitzit's not an init systemSep 06 22:08
schestowitzhttps://twitter.com/bigonbe/status/640632348741083137Sep 06 22:09
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@bigonbe: @schestowitz Euh? it depends against _libsystemd0_ not systemd running as PID1. Who cares about a lib that turn itself into a noop?Sep 06 22:09
schestowitzhttps://twitter.com/retroDoomer/status/640634160332193792Sep 06 22:15
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@retroDoomer: @schestowitz @bigonbe what would you call it?Sep 06 22:15
schestowitznew kernel, work in progress, started as init system...Sep 06 22:15
schestowitzhttps://twitter.com/retroDoomer/status/640635907691819008Sep 06 22:23
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@retroDoomer: @schestowitz @bigonbe that's hilarious. A new kernel? Are you seriously that angst about it?Sep 06 22:23
schestowitzI'm exaggerating a little, but they're taking over much of the kernel tools/functions, and make choice an impossibilitySep 06 22:23
schestowitzhttps://twitter.com/AJimenez1988/status/640636686326755329Sep 06 22:27
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@AJimenez1988: @schestowitz "Politics is war without armed bloodshed. War is politics with armed bloodshed".Sep 06 22:27
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schestowitzhttps://twitter.com/bigonbe/status/640637448075264000Sep 06 22:32
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@bigonbe: @schestowitz systemd is taking over function from the *kernel*???Sep 06 22:32
schestowitzhttps://twitter.com/frisdenker/status/640637468346351616Sep 06 22:32
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@frisdenker: @schestowitz @meneer Should that be exciting? Another Android phone.Sep 06 22:32
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cubexyzif you really want to be positive you're OS has no traces at all of systemd then openbsd is a good choiceSep 06 22:36
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cubexyzeven though Linux is great, it's not a good idea to be completely dependent on itSep 06 22:36
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cubexyzit would be foolish not to at least consider running an alternativeSep 06 22:36
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cubexyzs/you're/your/Sep 06 22:36
cubexyzunfortunately we can't be sure that the Linux distros will stay systemd freeSep 06 22:37
msb__cubexyz: Keyboard?  Yes!  MinceR found me this one: http://www.amazon.com/CM-Storm-QuickFire-TK-Mechanical/dp/B00AOIRCI6Sep 06 22:39
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.amazon.com | Amazon.com: CM Storm QuickFire TK - Compact Mechanical Gaming Keyboard with CHERRY MX RED Switches and Fully LED Backlit: Computers & Accessories [ http://ur1.ca/np1az ]Sep 06 22:39
cubexyzbut there's no function keys on the left like you wanted?Sep 06 22:40
msb__I can fix the driver so it maps Alt+n -> Fn, which won't be hard to get used to.Sep 06 22:40
msb__And it doesn't require extra reaching.Sep 06 22:40
msb__The keypad on the right is a little different, but I can deal with that too.Sep 06 22:42
cubexyzhuh, I have to build unrar from source on openbsdSep 06 22:43
cubexyznot only thatSep 06 22:43
cubexyzit can't be the newest version eitherSep 06 22:43
msb__Don't the bsd's have a shim for running Linux executables?Sep 06 22:45
cubexyzI'd rather avoid thatSep 06 22:45
cubexyzbetter to compile from sourceSep 06 22:45
cubexyzswprintf undeclaredSep 06 22:46
cubexyzmust be a new functionSep 06 22:46
cubexyzok, unrar 3.91 it is until I upgrade openbsd Sep 06 22:47
cubexyzI wonder why unrar was missing from the reposSep 06 22:48
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cubexyzwide character outputSep 06 22:52
cubexyztsk, why bother with wide character output on unrar?Sep 06 22:54
TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     Ubuntu Touch Transforms into an Ubuntu DesktopSep 06 22:54
TweetTuxMachines                 - Video http://t.co/VordLQk42TSep 06 22:54
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TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     Satellite Reign Strategy Game Released ForSep 06 22:54
TweetTuxMachines                 Linux, Some Impressions http://t.co/9tu45ezt3sSep 06 22:54
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.gamingonlinux.com | Satellite Reign Strategy Game Released For Linux, Some Impressions | GamingOnLinuxSep 06 22:54
TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     The September 2015 Issue of the PCLinuxOSSep 06 22:54
TweetTuxMachines                 Magazine http://t.co/OaGVlCZiqn (pclosmag.com)Sep 06 22:54
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-pclosmag.com | PCLinuxOS Magazine - List Of ArticlesSep 06 22:54
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msb__cubexyz: Wide characters are un-American!  Everyone should speak English or we'll bomb the crap out of them.  We're working in that...Sep 06 22:56
msb__on thatSep 06 22:56
cubexyzguess I should watch "The Omega Glory" to re-indoctrinate myself :)Sep 06 22:57
r_schestowitzhttps://twitter.com/AJimenez1988/status/640644960069529600Sep 06 22:58
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@AJimenez1988: @schestowitz I still dream of an alternate reality in which Elop is homeless and MeeGo became a major player.Sep 06 22:58
cubexyzthat's a joke, hence the smilie on the endSep 06 22:58
msb__The STTOS episode.Sep 06 22:59
cubexyzyes :)Sep 06 22:59
msb__Ironic, since Captain Jirk made it his business to destroy any culture that didn't obey the Protestant Work Ethic.Sep 06 23:06
cubexyzwhat, other types of work ethics don't measure up?Sep 06 23:07
TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     NCR introduces Android-based ATMs Sep 06 23:07
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TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     Ubuntu Touch Transforms into an Ubuntu DesktopSep 06 23:08
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Ubuntu Touch Transforms into an Ubuntu Desktop - Video | Tux MachinesSep 06 23:08
TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     Unique-Looking HandyLinux 2.2 Now Based onSep 06 23:08
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Unique-Looking HandyLinux 2.2 Now Based on Debian 8.2 | Tux MachinesSep 06 23:08
TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     NCR introduces Android-based ATMsSep 06 23:08
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | NCR introduces Android-based ATMs | Tux MachinesSep 06 23:08
msb__Immortality, nice-weather machine, Happiness, basically.Sep 06 23:08
*cubexyz considers switching to MartinLutherOS, guaranteed not to have systemd in itSep 06 23:08
r_schestowitzhttps://twitter.com/AJimenez1988/status/640646092649054208Sep 06 23:10
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@AJimenez1988: @schestowitz Handsomely in the short and mid term. But ultimately it dooms you.Sep 06 23:10
msb__cubexyz: Does it require nailing anything to your computer?Sep 06 23:11
cubexyzI'll nail the Unix Philosophy on thereSep 06 23:11
msb__I asked on #suse-chat if there were any plans to make systemd optional.  The answer was "That ship has sailed."Sep 06 23:30
msb__   #opensuse-chatSep 06 23:31
MinceRsuse was always shit, afaictSep 06 23:33
msb__I thought it was great.  Well engineered, reliable, good help in IRC.Sep 06 23:34
r_schestowitzhttps://twitter.com/SleepyPenguin1/status/640654000531111936Sep 06 23:35
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@SleepyPenguin1: Cyanogen OS @schestowitz Any comments ? Better or worse than Android ? https://t.co/tMKgYgHBoOSep 06 23:35
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights--> cyngn.com | Cyanogen - Cyanogen OSSep 06 23:35
r_schestowitzworseSep 06 23:35
MinceRit always had a rotten reputation, and the versions i tried were crapSep 06 23:35
MinceRand then novell bought suse and became a m$ droneSep 06 23:36
MinceRand then they forced systemd on their usersSep 06 23:36
r_schestowitzhttp://www.google.com/custom?q=cyanogen&sa=Google+%E2%80%BA&sitesearch=techrights.org&client=pub-2479740519054892&forid=1&ie=ISO-8859-1&oe=ISO-8859-1&cof=GALT%3A%23999999%3BGL%3A1%3BDIV%3A%23336699%3BVLC%3A999999%3BAH%3Acenter%3BBGC%3AFFFFFF%3BLBGC%3A999999%3BALC%3A666666%3BLC%3A666666%3BT%3A000000%3BGFNT%3A333333%3BGIMP%3A333333%3BLH%3A50%3BLW%3A50%3BL%3Ahttp%3A%2F%2Ftechrights.org%2Ftechrights-search.png%3BS%3Ahttp%3A%2F%2Fschestowitz.Sep 06 23:36
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.google.com | cyanogen - Google Search [ http://ur1.ca/np1x8 ]Sep 06 23:36
r_schestowitzcom%3BFORID%3A1%3B&hl=enSep 06 23:36
MinceRsuse's idea of netinstall is "you'll have to know the ip address of and path on our ftp server by heart"Sep 06 23:36
MinceRapparently writing those into a config file on the image would be too difficult for suseSep 06 23:36
msb__Or write it on a piece of paper.Sep 06 23:37
MinceRor use a distro that was made by people who know what they're doing.Sep 06 23:37
MinceR"open"suse is third to force systemd users on this list: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Systemd#Adoption_and_receptionSep 06 23:38
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-en.wikipedia.org | systemd - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia [ http://ur1.ca/nci1p ]Sep 06 23:38
MinceRbefore even archSep 06 23:38
msb__That's an _extremely_ tiny flaw from which to conclude that they don't know what they're doing.  Of course adopting systemd _does_ prove it.Sep 06 23:39
msb__Well, they were good to me for a dozen years.  I even bought boxed sets.Sep 06 23:40
MinceRthey couldn't even be bothered to include code to resolve dns.Sep 06 23:41
msb__And now they've become Pod People.Sep 06 23:42
MinceRand that "open"suse install set the keyboard up to be unusable by defaultSep 06 23:42
MinceRthe shortest keypress resulted in dozens of character repeatsSep 06 23:42
msb__Not for me.Sep 06 23:42
MinceRand when i used sles/sled at work, it took ages to hunt down a few binary packagesSep 06 23:43
MinceRbecause binary packages are so preciousSep 06 23:43
msb__Did you ask for help in IRC?Sep 06 23:45
MinceRnoSep 06 23:45
XRevan86I think I missed a lot of openSUSE stuffSep 06 23:46
XRevan86in hereSep 06 23:46
XRevan86no-systemd is almost a lost cause in openSUSESep 06 23:46
msb__  #suse is very helpful.  I've taken a few turns there.Sep 06 23:46
XRevan86but… if only someone could actually package the non-systemd stuff, like it was made in ArchSep 06 23:46
XRevan86but nobody does and so here we areSep 06 23:47
XRevan86as a non-English, I had no problems with keyboard layoutsSep 06 23:48
msb__XRevan86: I don't understand:  "if only someone could actually package the non-systemd stuff..."Sep 06 23:51
XRevan86msb__: build.opensuse.org is a free place for any activity by anybodySep 06 23:51
XRevan86except for patenting stuffSep 06 23:51
XRevan86patented I meanSep 06 23:51
msb__So...?Sep 06 23:52
XRevan86https://build.opensuse.org/project/show/Base:sysv project already exists but, as you see, maintainer… leftSep 06 23:52
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-build.opensuse.org | Show Base:sysv - openSUSE Build Service [ http://ur1.ca/np23u ]Sep 06 23:52
msb__AhSep 06 23:53
XRevan86msb__: So, if someone wants, that someone can support the stuff.Sep 06 23:53
XRevan86or, more proper to say, to make the stuff from stratchSep 06 23:55
XRevan86scratch*Sep 06 23:55
msb__XRevan86: But aren't there other non-init programs that now depend on systemd?Sep 06 23:55
XRevan86msb__: The same method as with Devuan appliesSep 06 23:56
XRevan86repackage && PROFITSep 06 23:56
XRevan86and there's systemd-shim that can helpSep 06 23:56
cubexyzI'm leaning more towards openbsd these daysSep 07 00:00
TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     Debian 8.2 and More DebianSep 07 00:01
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Debian 8.2 and More Debian | Tux MachinesSep 07 00:01
TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     Systemd Starts Doing NTP/Timezones, UnifiedSep 07 00:01
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cubexyzvoid linux needs a P4 or newer evidentlySep 07 00:01
TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     Unique-Looking HandyLinux 2.2 Now Based onSep 07 00:01
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r_schestowitzhttps://twitter.com/SleepyPenguin1/status/640655301100851200Sep 07 00:01
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@SleepyPenguin1: @schestowitz Oh.. okay. I'll wander off to bed now .... :)Sep 07 00:01
cubexyzonce I repair this old toughbook I'll make it into a void boxSep 07 00:02
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MinceRi'd rather avoid systemd-shimSep 07 00:19
MinceRi don't want to reward redcrap for forcing their APIs on peopleSep 07 00:19
XRevan86MinceR: Well, it's a start.Sep 07 00:20
XRevan86I'm not suggesting anything, just that it would make the impossible task less impossible.Sep 07 00:21
MinceRyes, it's a start to adopt systemd's toxic APIsSep 07 00:21
XRevan86and maybe even pretty possibleSep 07 00:21
MinceRit's not impossibleSep 07 00:21
MinceRdebian 7 can do it, gentoo can do it, slackware can do itSep 07 00:21
XRevan86MinceR: Yeah, that's what I'm suggesting. Adopt systemd's toxic API in openSUSE.Sep 07 00:21
XRevan86with systemd-shimSep 07 00:22
MinceRi don't see any point in using *suse at allSep 07 00:22
DaemonFCSo basically they're avoiding systemd by reimplementing everything it does with different bugs and quirks.Sep 07 00:29
DaemonFCBecause that's smart. :PSep 07 00:30
MinceRand the same braindead interfacesSep 07 00:30
MinceRwhich depend on d-busSep 07 00:30
DaemonFCsoon to be kdbus-shim? :)Sep 07 00:32
cubexyzkdbus-new-shim-systemd-shim-other-shims-just-in-caseSep 07 00:33
MinceRwell, i expect redcrap to introduce backward incompatibility into kdbus once it's securely in placeSep 07 00:35
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cubexyzby Fedora 15 it was time to bail outSep 07 00:51
MinceRindeedSep 07 00:52
MinceRmaybe they'll even introduce it before kdbus is merged into linux, to try and force itSep 07 00:52
cubexyzmwm via Xnest with anti-aliased fonts looks pretty swishSep 07 01:08
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TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     Leftovers: KDE http://t.co/jqxnd26yZPSep 07 01:11
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Leftovers: KDE | Tux MachinesSep 07 01:11
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msb__I just had a scary dream.  I was on a planet where a war had been fought, or some dangerous experiments had been done, and various deadly pieces of equipment were left scattered around, buried.   There was no way to find them.  But every house had a meter that would detect if one of them had been activated.  So I was sitting watching a movie with my friends, and the meter on the wall started beeping.  It meant that one of those _thingsSep 07 01:54
msb__ had been triggered.  We had five minutes to get a lightyear away before the entire  planet was turned into a total-conversion bomb.  We weren't going to make it...Sep 07 01:54
TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     Leftovers: Gaming http://t.co/wQZDfUctVLSep 07 02:01
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TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     today's howtos http://t.co/7BjDgl2I3HSep 07 02:01
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | today's howtos | Tux MachinesSep 07 02:01
TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     Leftovers: Software http://t.co/0paKVu4lfKSep 07 02:01
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Leftovers: Software | Tux MachinesSep 07 02:01
TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     today's leftovers http://t.co/8kDdljIx5LSep 07 02:01
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | today's leftovers | Tux MachinesSep 07 02:01
msb__https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Black_swan_theorySep 07 02:23
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-en.wikipedia.org | Black swan theory - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia [ http://ur1.ca/np3jf ]Sep 07 02:23
cubexyzok, I came up with a solution for missing applications on the openbsd sideSep 07 02:25
cubexyze.g. ssh -X cubeman@vector FBReaderSep 07 02:25
cubexyzX11 forwarding must be on of courseSep 07 02:28
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cubexyzpretty happy with the configuration nowSep 07 03:04
cubexyzI've built a openbsd-style moat so to speakSep 07 03:04
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cubexyzI don't relish going though this configuration process againSep 07 03:16
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cubexyzthe chromebook does one thing that's not really very goodSep 07 05:34
cubexyzzooming text in chrome changes the resolution of the displaySep 07 05:34
cubexyzon other computers the font increases in sizeSep 07 05:34
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schestowitzhttps://joindiaspora.com/posts/6563894Sep 07 08:25
schestowitz"He is almost too happy about this …"Sep 07 08:25
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schestowitzhttps://joindiaspora.com/posts/6563894Sep 07 08:29
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Not a Diaspora post?Sep 07 08:29
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schestowitz> http://as2914.net/#/Sep 07 08:36
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-as2914.net | NTT Internet BGP VisualizationSep 07 08:36
schestowitz>Sep 07 08:37
schestowitz> Good tech site ..Sep 07 08:37
schestowitz>Sep 07 08:37
schestowitz> https://news.ycombinator.com/Sep 07 08:37
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-news.ycombinator.com | Hacker NewsSep 07 08:37
schestowitzLooks like a galaxy...Sep 07 08:37
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schestowitzhttps://joindiaspora.com/posts/6561839Sep 07 08:41
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: If #malala - a critic of Sep 07 08:41
schestowitz"Ah, I see. Thanks!"Sep 07 08:41
schestowitzhttps://joindiaspora.com/posts/6562157Sep 07 08:41
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: Take 10,000 refugees, petition urges #Mexico http://mexiconewsdaily.com/news/take-10000-refugees-petition-urges-mexico/Sep 07 08:41
schestowitz"Talking about that, I would like to know how many refugees is taking the US."Sep 07 08:41
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights--> mexiconewsdaily.com | Take 10,000 refugees, petition urges Mexico [ http://ur1.ca/nozpj ]Sep 07 08:41
schestowitzhttps://joindiaspora.com/posts/6563630Sep 07 08:42
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: Nokia (NOK) Working On Android-Based Smartphone http://www.bidnessetc.com/51974-nokia-nok-working-on-androidbased-smartphone/Zx00972482 #android back in #nokiaSep 07 08:42
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights--> www.bidnessetc.com | Page Not Found [ http://ur1.ca/np716 ]Sep 07 08:42
schestowitz"Working link: http://www.bidnessetc.com/51974-nokia-nok-working-on-androidbased-smartphone/"Sep 07 08:42
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.bidnessetc.com | Nokia (NOK) Working On Android-Based Smartphone [ http://ur1.ca/np717 ]Sep 07 08:42
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TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     NCR introduces Android-based ATMs Sep 07 09:01
TweetTuxMachines retweeted by    http://t.co/Yt84zmjT5k (www.thestar.com.my)Sep 07 09:01
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.thestar.com.my | NCR introduces Android-based ATMs - Tech News | The Star OnlineSep 07 09:01
TweetTuxMachines @jesusguevarauto  Sep 07 09:01
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TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     Android Can Dominate The Enterprise MobilitySep 07 09:01
TweetTuxMachines                 Game http://t.co/JOdzp0vzD4 (techcrunch.com)Sep 07 09:01
TweetTuxMachines                 "mobile workforce user."Sep 07 09:01
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techcrunch.com | Android Can Dominate The Enterprise Mobility Game | TechCrunchSep 07 09:01
TweetTuxMachines........................................  http://ur1.ca/np77iSep 07 09:01
TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     Android M Brings Up Service Center Info DuringSep 07 09:11
TweetTuxMachines                 911 Calls http://t.co/2tDfXDtOzQSep 07 09:11
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.androidheadlines.com | Android M Brings Up Service Center Info During 911 Calls | Androidheadlines.comSep 07 09:11
TweetTuxMachines                 (www.androidheadlines.com)Sep 07 09:11
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TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     Toshiba Laptops To Be Better Supported By LinuxSep 07 09:11
TweetTuxMachines                 4.3 http://t.co/zdP23dbf9v (www.phoronix.com)Sep 07 09:11
TweetTuxMachines........................................  http://ur1.ca/np7baSep 07 09:11
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.phoronix.com | Toshiba Laptops To Be Better Supported By Linux 4.3, The Microsoft Surface Pro 3 Too - PhoronixSep 07 09:11
TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     Linux Foundation Security Checklist: Have ItSep 07 09:11
TweetTuxMachines                 Your Way http://t.co/jxZtyhq225Sep 07 09:11
TweetTuxMachines                 (www.linuxinsider.com)Sep 07 09:11
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.linuxinsider.com | Linux Foundation Security Checklist: Have It Your Way | Community | LinuxInsiderSep 07 09:11
TweetTuxMachines........................................  http://ur1.ca/np7bbSep 07 09:11
TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     Best new icon packs for Android (SeptemberSep 07 09:11
TweetTuxMachines                 2015) http://t.co/sdUDAruoC6Sep 07 09:11
TweetTuxMachines                 (www.tuxmachines.org)Sep 07 09:11
TweetTuxMachines........................................  http://ur1.ca/np7bcSep 07 09:12
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Best new icon packs for Android (September 2015) | Tux MachinesSep 07 09:12
TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     LibreOffice Viewer for Ubuntu Touch MakingSep 07 09:15
TweetTuxMachines                 Great Progress http://t.co/wzSjoidU6eSep 07 09:15
TweetTuxMachines                 (www.tuxmachines.org)Sep 07 09:15
TweetTuxMachines........................................  http://ur1.ca/np7coSep 07 09:15
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | LibreOffice Viewer for Ubuntu Touch Making Great Progress | Tux MachinesSep 07 09:15
TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     The Ubuntu Tablets Are Coming, and They LookSep 07 09:15
TweetTuxMachines                 Beefy - Video http://t.co/UEBdHavcyHSep 07 09:15
TweetTuxMachines                 (www.tuxmachines.org)Sep 07 09:15
TweetTuxMachines........................................  http://ur1.ca/np7cpSep 07 09:15
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | The Ubuntu Tablets Are Coming, and They Look Beefy - Video | Tux MachinesSep 07 09:15
TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     Update notifications in Debian JessieSep 07 09:15
TweetTuxMachines                 http://t.co/9AFOAZ46gH (www.tuxmachines.org)Sep 07 09:15
TweetTuxMachines........................................  http://ur1.ca/np7cqSep 07 09:15
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Update notifications in Debian Jessie | Tux MachinesSep 07 09:15
TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     Best new icon packs for Android (SeptemberSep 07 09:17
TweetTuxMachines                 2015) http://t.co/lLuD3V6I8ISep 07 09:17
TweetTuxMachines                 (www.phonearena.com)Sep 07 09:17
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.phonearena.com | Best new icon packs for Android (September 2015)Sep 07 09:17
TweetTuxMachines........................................  http://ur1.ca/np7dmSep 07 09:17
TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     LibreOffice Viewer for Ubuntu Touch MakingSep 07 09:17
TweetTuxMachines                 Great Progress http://t.co/uUCeKBQ7GfSep 07 09:17
TweetTuxMachines                 (linux.softpedia.com)Sep 07 09:17
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-linux.softpedia.com | LibreOffice Viewer for Ubuntu Touch Making Great Progress - SoftpediaSep 07 09:17
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TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     The Ubuntu Tablets Are Coming, and They LookSep 07 09:17
TweetTuxMachines                 Beefy - Video http://t.co/M4kvD7jqtPSep 07 09:17
TweetTuxMachines                 (news.softpedia.com)Sep 07 09:17
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-news.softpedia.com | The Ubuntu Tablets Are Coming, and They Look Beefy - Video - SoftpediaSep 07 09:17
TweetTuxMachines........................................  http://ur1.ca/np7doSep 07 09:17
TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     Update notifications in Debian JessieSep 07 09:24
TweetTuxMachines                 http://t.co/m6tB1EJlHg (blog.tenstral.net)Sep 07 09:24
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-blog.tenstral.net | Update notifications in Debian Jessie | Ximions BlogSep 07 09:24
TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     GNOME's Nautilus 3.18 Beta 2 File Manager GetsSep 07 09:24
TweetTuxMachines                 Multiple Improvements http://t.co/4bsYDSO1jVSep 07 09:24
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-linux.softpedia.com | GNOME's Nautilus 3.18 Beta 2 File Manager Gets Multiple Improvements - SoftpediaSep 07 09:24
TweetTuxMachines                 (linux.softpedia.com)Sep 07 09:24
TweetTuxMachines........................................  http://ur1.ca/np7g0Sep 07 09:24
TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     Peppermint 6 Respin with UEFI Support ReleasedSep 07 09:24
TweetTuxMachines                 http://t.co/Lp7M11qjlD (peppermintos.com)Sep 07 09:24
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-peppermintos.com | Peppermint 6 Respin with UEFI Support Released - Peppermint - The Linux Desktop OSSep 07 09:24
schestowitzMinceR:  cubelog msb__ Sep 07 09:33
schestowitzhttp://blog.steve.org.uk/the_jessie_8.htmlSep 07 09:33
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-blog.steve.org.uk | The Jessie 8.2 point-release broke for me [ http://ur1.ca/np7j7 ]Sep 07 09:33
schestowitz"The problem isn't running in the foreground, but systemd's process group handling." https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=783683Sep 07 09:33
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-SSL connect error ( status 0 @ https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=783683 )Sep 07 09:33
schestowitzhttps://twitter.com/bigonbe/status/640814293852782592Sep 07 10:11
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@bigonbe: @schestowitz Looks like the bug is fixed both in stable and in unstableSep 07 10:11
schestowitzUntil the next bug...Sep 07 10:11
TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     Mesa 3D Graphics Library 10.6.6 Arrives with 40Sep 07 10:20
TweetTuxMachines                 Bugfixes, Mesa 11.0 RC3 Is Out TooSep 07 10:20
TweetTuxMachines                 http://t.co/CwRbf1xTlX (news.softpedia.com)Sep 07 10:20
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-news.softpedia.com | Mesa 3D Graphics Library 10.6.6 Arrives with 40 Bugfixes, Mesa 11.0 RC3 Is Out Too - SoftpediaSep 07 10:20
TweetTuxMachines........................................  http://ur1.ca/np7z5Sep 07 10:20
TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     "The Sunchip CX-S500 is a very tiny AndroidSep 07 10:20
TweetTuxMachines                 powered mediaplayer" http://t.co/9nB0wGfIJZSep 07 10:20
TweetTuxMachines                 (www.itrunsonlinux.com)Sep 07 10:20
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.itrunsonlinux.com | Sunchip CX-S500 Android mini mediaplayer | It runs on LinuxSep 07 10:20
TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     MPV Open-Source MPlayer-Based Video Player GetsSep 07 10:20
TweetTuxMachines                 a Major Update with New FeaturesSep 07 10:20
TweetTuxMachines                 http://t.co/8EzwAejIcZ (www.tuxmachines.org)Sep 07 10:20
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | MPV Open-Source MPlayer-Based Video Player Gets a Major Update with New Features | Tux MachinesSep 07 10:20
TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     Manjaro Linux: Octopi v0.8 around the corner -Sep 07 10:20
TweetTuxMachines                 translation help needed! http://t.co/O8iKUiJiTFSep 07 10:20
TweetTuxMachines                 (www.tuxmachines.org)Sep 07 10:20
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Manjaro Linux: Octopi v0.8 around the corner - translation help needed! | Tux MachinesSep 07 10:20
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TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     Top Five Reasons Why Ubuntu Is the Most UsedSep 07 10:21
TweetTuxMachines                 Linux OS http://t.co/mQGwiI0Q6ASep 07 10:21
TweetTuxMachines                 (www.tuxmachines.org)Sep 07 10:21
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Top Five Reasons Why Ubuntu Is the Most Used Linux OS | Tux MachinesSep 07 10:21
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TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     HTC Desire 728 Dual SIM With 5.5-Inch Display,Sep 07 10:21
TweetTuxMachines                 Android 5.1 Lollipop LaunchedSep 07 10:21
TweetTuxMachines                 http://t.co/NAokdsL1rX (www.tuxmachines.org)Sep 07 10:21
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | HTC Desire 728 Dual SIM With 5.5-Inch Display, Android 5.1 Lollipop Launched | Tux MachinesSep 07 10:21
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schestowitzhttps://twitter.com/bigonbe/status/640826321954828288Sep 07 11:08
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@bigonbe: @schestowitz Yeah it's like any other components are bug-free...Sep 07 11:08
schestowitzsystemdSep 07 11:08
TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     digiKam Software Collection 4.13.0 released...Sep 07 11:26
TweetTuxMachines                 http://t.co/PlGYsibS04 (www.tuxmachines.org)Sep 07 11:26
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | digiKam Software Collection 4.13.0 released... | Tux MachinesSep 07 11:26
TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     It's 2015 and Microsoft Still Cannot ProperlySep 07 11:26
TweetTuxMachines                 Handle Bootloaders http://t.co/2G3SKIFYxpSep 07 11:26
TweetTuxMachines                 (techrights.org)Sep 07 11:26
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Sabotage, Not Negligence: It’s 2015 and Microsoft Still Cannot Properly Handle Bootloaders | TechrightsSep 07 11:26
TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     Today in Techrights http://t.co/MxhiLsy2eCSep 07 11:26
TweetTuxMachines                 (www.tuxmachines.org)Sep 07 11:26
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Today in Techrights | Tux MachinesSep 07 11:26
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*TweetTuxMachines @schestowitz retweeted @tuxmachines: 'Today in Techrights http://t.co/MxhiLsy2eC'Sep 07 11:35
*TweetTuxMachines @schestowitz retweeted @tuxmachines: 'It's 2015 and Microsoft Still Cannot Properly Handle...'Sep 07 11:35
__martin__shitSep 07 12:03
__martin__and it's hereSep 07 12:03
__martin__linux foundation advertises uefi/restrictedbootSep 07 12:04
__martin__https://github.com/lfit/itpol/blob/master/linux-workstation-security.mdSep 07 12:04
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-github.com | itpol/linux-workstation-security.md at master · lfit/itpol · GitHub [ http://ur1.ca/nmfni ]Sep 07 12:04
schestowitz> Yes, it kills cron.  AFAIK it also does not work with syslog unless youSep 07 12:04
schestowitz> go out of your way to manually set it up, even then the communicationSep 07 12:04
schestowitz> from systemd to syslog is fragile and too easily broken to rely on itSep 07 12:04
schestowitz> for diagnostics.  I am at a loss for words and cannot articulate howSep 07 12:04
schestowitz> wrong and stupid systemd is, even in concept.Sep 07 12:04
schestowitz>Sep 07 12:04
schestowitz> Yesterday, I did read another systemd booster on the Debian users' listSep 07 12:04
schestowitz> use a fallacy of relative privation, trying to troll.  Usually they goSep 07 12:04
schestowitz> ad hominem right away so this was uncommon if not new.Sep 07 12:04
schestowitz>Sep 07 12:04
schestowitz> They won't stop until linux is dead.  The Halloween Documents referredSep 07 12:04
schestowitz> to M$, but Red Hat could effect a decommoditization of linux an achieveSep 07 12:04
schestowitz> more or less the same damage.Sep 07 12:04
schestowitz>Sep 07 12:04
schestowitz> " Linux can win as long as services / protocols areSep 07 12:05
schestowitz> commodities. "Sep 07 12:05
schestowitz>Sep 07 12:05
schestowitz>  http://www.gnu.org/software/fsfe/projects/ms-vs-eu/halloween1.htmlSep 07 12:05
schestowitz>Sep 07 12:05
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.gnu.org | The Open Source Initiative: Halloween Document 1 [ http://ur1.ca/np8z3 ]Sep 07 12:05
schestowitz> It doesn't help that the Stockholm syndrome kicks in with some users.Sep 07 12:05
schestowitzDo you think it would be suitable for techrights to start covering this subject? Like the FSF/GNU/RMS, I think it would be unnecessarily divisive for the site's audience, more so than the Novell/Mono thing...Sep 07 12:05
schestowitz__martin__: yes, I saw tgatrSep 07 12:05
schestowitzTPM tooSep 07 12:05
schestowitzNow just UEFI crapSep 07 12:05
schestowitzBut remember IBM and Intel fund them, and both promote those things, respectivelySep 07 12:05
__martin__yes, always look at the money flow originSep 07 12:07
schestowitzhttps://twitter.com/retroDoomer/status/640841638072315904   https://twitter.com/retroDoomer/status/640841922903277568  https://twitter.com/retroDoomer/status/640843384442224640Sep 07 12:07
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@retroDoomer: @schestowitz @juhasaarinen not surprised at all. MS has a massive presence here & just finished up a 3 day advert expo.Sep 07 12:07
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@retroDoomer: @schestowitz @juhasaarinen we're also a politically fucked country and that paper/news outlet is very biased towards right wing politicsSep 07 12:08
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@retroDoomer: Windows 10 is a privacy and security black hole. And @MasseyUni really should run FOSS email server not MS https://t.co/GycoxCyyBGSep 07 12:08
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz: A bait title for #microsoft puff piece http://t.co/7o8kQFhGUp a Microsoft and #vista10 ad in 'article' formSep 07 12:08
__martin__actually what worries me moreSep 07 12:08
__martin__is this FCC firmware flashing proposalSep 07 12:08
schestowitzA former colleague of mine works for this university. No idea they were that Microsoft-centric...Sep 07 12:08
__martin__have one functional librecmc device at home Sep 07 12:08
schestowitz__martin__: I think this proposal will get killedSep 07 12:08
schestowitz__martin__: seems geared towards more easy sueveillanceSep 07 12:08
schestowitzas many routers have back doors in themSep 07 12:09
__martin__btw roy, do you think larry lessing stands any chance against empire proposed republican/democrat candidates in run for u.s. president?Sep 07 12:09
schestowitzsome being described as "bugs", not in the bugging senseSep 07 12:09
schestowitzbut based on their 'fixes', they're there intentionallySep 07 12:09
schestowitz__martin__: noSep 07 12:09
schestowitzbut at least he gets some press out of itSep 07 12:09
schestowitzor did, months agoSep 07 12:09
__martin__+Sep 07 12:09
schestowitz1.5 months ago I thinkSep 07 12:09
schestowitzand his cause gets some public awarenessSep 07 12:09
schestowitzmainly getting money out of politicsSep 07 12:10
schestowitzand superPACsSep 07 12:10
__martin__and yeah, there are even scarce pre-defined superuser credentails on routersSep 07 12:11
__martin__(regards cisco catalysts'.. no comment.. close mate of mine who got certificates and even applied to work for the in a krakow subsidiary tells me all the latest status quo stories regards "management bugs" in stable versions of IOS while working for this t-systems datacentre networking group via outsourced position)Sep 07 12:14
__martin__them*Sep 07 12:14
schestowitz__martin__: someone just sent me this:Sep 07 12:16
schestowitzhttp://abcnews.go.com/Politics/harvard-professor-larry-lessig-running-president/story?id=33568066Sep 07 12:16
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-abcnews.go.com | Harvard Professor Larry Lessig Says He's Running for President - ABC News [ http://ur1.ca/np937 ]Sep 07 12:16
schestowitzcorporate media, tooSep 07 12:16
schestowitzhttps://twitter.com/Zeipt/status/640846927442116609Sep 07 12:22
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@Zeipt: Спалился на геологах мобильника https://t.co/9W2on0xH4OSep 07 12:22
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz: #fbi "found that his phone did not follow the route that he had claimed he took when he went to look for the truck." http://t.co/Lvo321f9nISep 07 12:22
TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     Linux Kernel 3.18.21 LTS Out Now with ARM,Sep 07 12:33
TweetTuxMachines                 MIPS, HPFS, and Btrfs ImprovementsSep 07 12:33
TweetTuxMachines                 http://t.co/nqTCPEaxtw (news.softpedia.com)Sep 07 12:33
TweetTuxMachines........................................  http://ur1.ca/np9a4Sep 07 12:33
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-news.softpedia.com | Linux Kernel 3.18.21 LTS Out Now with ARM, MIPS, HPFS, and Btrfs Improvements - SoftpediaSep 07 12:33
TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     MPV Open-Source MPlayer-Based Video Player GetsSep 07 12:33
TweetTuxMachines                 a Major Update with New FeaturesSep 07 12:33
TweetTuxMachines                 http://t.co/KegGgmAuJE (news.softpedia.com)Sep 07 12:33
TweetTuxMachines........................................  http://ur1.ca/np9a5Sep 07 12:33
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-news.softpedia.com | MPV Open-Source MPlayer-Based Video Player Gets a Major Update with New Features - SoftpediaSep 07 12:33
schestowitzhttps://twitter.com/kstallett/status/640850143164694528Sep 07 12:35
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msb__schestowitz: "Sabotage, Not Negligence: It's 2015 and Microsoft Still Cannot Properly Handle Bootloaders"  Interesting that Linux is being sabotaged by Microsoft at the same time that it's being sabotaged by RedHat/NSA with systemd.  Sep 07 13:29
msb__schestowitz: My solution is to never go near MS-Windows, which is what I've done for 15 years.  But there's no well-supported version of Linux that I can now recommend, since the major ones are all infected with systemd.Sep 07 13:31
MinceRhttp://thenextweb.com/insider/2015/09/07/this-hilarious-cisco-fail-is-a-network-engineers-worst-nightmare/Sep 07 13:32
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-thenextweb.com | This hilarious Cisco fail is a network engineer's worst nightmare [ http://ur1.ca/np9ui ]Sep 07 13:32
msb__MinceR: Wow, that's one for the history books!Sep 07 13:35
msb__Those fragile locking tabs are always breaking off from phone modular plugs, because if the cable is tangled in a knot and you pull on it, the tab catches on another loop of the cable, is bent backwards, and broken off.  So you either have to buy a new cable, or secure the old one with duct tape.Sep 07 13:38
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MinceR Sep 07 14:52
msb__Anybody else seeing "Lag Unknown" on this channel?Sep 07 14:52
MinceRnoSep 07 14:55
MinceR103333 < schestowitz> http://blog.steve.org.uk/the_jessie_8.htmlSep 07 15:05
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-blog.steve.org.uk | The Jessie 8.2 point-release broke for me [ http://ur1.ca/np7j7 ]Sep 07 15:05
MinceRAn "interesting" consequence of this bug is that unattended upgrades areSep 07 15:05
MinceRtriggered from cron, so when the cron package is automatically upgraded to theSep 07 15:05
MinceRlatest version, the upgrade gets killed and leaves the cron package in a brokenSep 07 15:05
MinceRstate that "configure -a" doesn't fix but "dpkg -i cron.deb" does.     Sep 07 15:05
MinceRwhat a beautiful train wreck!Sep 07 15:05
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msb__Prediction: KDE Plasma 5 will require systemd in many different ways, making it impossible to disentangle them.  PS: My desktop experience is just fine with KDE3/Trinity.Sep 07 15:46
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msb__MinceR: What do uSep 07 15:52
msb__MinceR: What do you use channel operator privileges for?  Just curious?Sep 07 15:52
MinceRi used to use them to try and keep the channel clean, but i guess i no longer doSep 07 15:53
XRevan86It depends on clean from what.Sep 07 15:53
MinceRdoesn't matterSep 07 15:54
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XRevan86Because trolls may come by, and obviously, there should be someone to kick them out.Sep 07 15:55
MinceRexcept we don't kick trolls anymore :>Sep 07 15:56
msb__Haven't had any since that anti-gay guy days ago.  (Unless you count me.  8^)Sep 07 15:56
XRevan86MinceR: Who's a troll?Sep 07 15:56
MinceRlet's not go into thatSep 07 15:56
XRevan86MinceR: I didn't see any for a while.Sep 07 15:56
XRevan86only people with opinions, legit ones.Sep 07 15:56
msb__Orderly trainload of refugees heading for Munich (where hopefully they will learn Linux).Sep 07 16:01
msb__Dairy farmers protesting all over Europe.  They are cheesed-off at low diary prices, which result from the ban on sales to Russia.Sep 07 16:04
msb__David Cameron blames Bashar Assad for refugee problem, not US/UK/ISIL invasion and destruction of Syria.Sep 07 16:14
MinceRhttp://www.thefiscaltimes.com/2015/08/28/How-Many-Russian-Soldiers-Have-Died-Ukraine-Glimpse-Bloody-TollSep 07 16:15
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.thefiscaltimes.com | How Many Russian Soldiers Have Died in Ukraine? A Glimpse at the Bloody Toll | The Fiscal Times [ http://ur1.ca/npbdb ]Sep 07 16:15
msb__Forbes and FT reports on Russian Troops in Ukraine came from hacked site: http://www.rt.com/news/313653-russia-ukraine-soldiers-fake-forbes/Sep 07 16:54
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.rt.com | Who slipped? How fake report on ‘Russian soldier deaths’ in Ukraine set MSM on fire — RT News [ http://ur1.ca/nl21a ]Sep 07 16:54
msb__Watch the video.  It gives _facts_.Sep 07 16:54
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MinceR"facts"Sep 07 16:58
MinceRit's sad to see psychopaths succeeding at reprogramming people into supporting fascist dictators like putin and their regimesSep 07 16:58
msb__MinceR: Yes, MinceR, _facts_.  Despite your prejudice against everything Russian, the video details the investigation into the hacked news site.  Sometimes the video stopped streaming, but I restarted it by moving the mouse pointer over the video screen.Sep 07 16:59
MinceRooh, a quality video player appletSep 07 17:00
msb__MinceR: Have you watched the video and read the article?Sep 07 17:00
MinceRhave i wasted my time on more of putin's propaganda? noSep 07 17:00
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msb__It's sad to see prejudiced people who won't access data that contradicts their prejudice.Sep 07 17:00
MinceRnext time they should put their propaganda into a windows-only .exe file playing a 24-hour video instead of just a gratuitous video with a shitty player appletSep 07 17:01
msb__MinceR: This time you should watch the video.Sep 07 17:01
MinceRooh, linux foundation's uefi-loving, tpm-loving gnu/linux-destroying checklistSep 07 17:01
XRevan86not just uefi-lovingSep 07 17:01
XRevan86secureboot-lovingSep 07 17:01
XRevan86What the hell is going on with Linux Foundation?Sep 07 17:02
MinceRit was taken over by suits similar to the ones running m$, crApple and redcrapSep 07 17:02
schestowitzhttps://twitter.com/Zeipt/status/640851076430864384Sep 07 17:02
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@Zeipt: .@schestowitz #PirateParty is not right a bit - #OpenDNS is #censorship.Sep 07 17:02
MinceRalso, redcrap itself happenedSep 07 17:02
schestowitzhttps://twitter.com/retroDoomer/status/640851424323047425Sep 07 17:02
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@retroDoomer: @schestowitz @MasseyUni very. Front page of main student login advertises free Office 365. I encourage LibreOffice where I can.Sep 07 17:02
MinceRmsb__: if i'll be so desperate to waste my time that i'd watch putin's propaganda videos, i'll be sure to tell you.Sep 07 17:02
MinceRperhaps they want to monopolize people's time so they won't have to check sources not controlled by putinSep 07 17:03
MinceRs/have/& time/Sep 07 17:03
msb__MinceR: If you ever want to have an accurate view of the world, you will have to engage in Critical Thinking.  That involves examining data that contradicts what you already believe.Sep 07 17:04
MinceRmsb__: Critical Thinking is not the same as immersing yourself in the spam that comes your way first.Sep 07 17:04
msb__MinceR: The video only takes a few minutes.  So the idea of "monopolize people's time so they won't have to check sources" is utter nonsense.Sep 07 17:05
MinceRthere's so much data and propaganda out there that nobody can afford to read/watch them all the way throughSep 07 17:05
MinceRmsb__: text can be read, understood, skimmed, searched and processed far more quickly than video or audio.Sep 07 17:05
msb__MinceR: The important thing is to access data that disagrees with your beliefs, so your beliefs can be corrected if they are wrong.  You refuse to do that.Sep 07 17:06
MinceRperhaps the extra time wasted on a video helps trigger cognitive dissonance, making people like putin moreSep 07 17:06
msb__Nonsense.Sep 07 17:06
MinceR"i'm a smart person and i've spent an hour on watching a video from RT, therefore RT must be a valuable source"Sep 07 17:06
MinceRmsb__: you don't know what data i access and you will never know itSep 07 17:06
msb__The video lasts only 5.5 minutes, not an hour.Sep 07 17:07
msb__MinceR: You have said right here that you refuse to access that video (which is much more concise than the text of the article).Sep 07 17:08
MinceRmsb__: all the data consists of that single video?Sep 07 17:08
msb__All the data is concisely given in that video.Sep 07 17:08
MinceRthe only accurate words in that sentence are 'that' and 'video'Sep 07 17:09
MinceRRT is your fox noiseSep 07 17:09
msb__MinceR: Instead of spending 5.5 minutes watching the video, you smear the source, in order not to have your prejudice questioned.Sep 07 17:10
MinceRkeep fighting for oppression, putin's virtual warriorSep 07 17:11
msb__MinceR: Keep LYING about me, MinceR.  That way you won't ever learn anything.Sep 07 17:11
MinceRkeep reading RT. that way you won't ever learn anything true.Sep 07 17:12
MinceRwhy not sign up for putin's army and volunteer to kill some crimean tatars?Sep 07 17:12
msb__I read many sources in addition to RT.Sep 07 17:12
MinceRyeah, you read many "sources" that do little more than repeat RT articlesSep 07 17:12
msb__MinceR: Why not go to a mental hospital and have yourself committed?Sep 07 17:13
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MinceRmsb__: why not go kill some gay people if you hate them so much?Sep 07 17:13
msb__MinceR: Why not go to a mental hospital and have yourself committed?Sep 07 17:13
MinceRhttp://www.theguardian.com/world/2015/apr/06/russian-lgbt-activists-describe-victimisation-repression-and-hopeSep 07 17:13
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.theguardian.com | Russian LGBT activists describe victimisation, repression … and hope | World news | The Guardian [ http://ur1.ca/npc2a ]Sep 07 17:13
MinceRhttp://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2015/sep/05/snowden-criticises-russia-internet-homosexualitySep 07 17:13
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.theguardian.com | Snowden criticises Russia for approach to internet and homosexuality | US news | The Guardian [ http://ur1.ca/npc2c ]Sep 07 17:13
msb__MinceR: STOP LYING ABOUT ME.Sep 07 17:13
MinceRstop lying about putin, russia and their enemiesSep 07 17:14
msb__Snowden is correct.Sep 07 17:14
MinceRand yet you support putinSep 07 17:14
msb__MinceR: STOP LYING ABOUT ME.  I do not lie about putin.Sep 07 17:14
MinceRyou do, routinelySep 07 17:14
msb__MinceR: STOP LYING ABOUT ME.  The only way I support putin is in his actions to oppose the US from dominating the entire world.Sep 07 17:15
MinceRwhich are apparently all his actions, everSep 07 17:15
MinceRapparently you'd prefer for russia to dominate the entire worldSep 07 17:15
msb__MinceR: STOP LYING ABOUT ME.  I have never said I would Sep 07 17:16
MinceRthey've brainwashed you through their "news" and "research" sitesSep 07 17:16
msb__"prefer for russia to dominate the entire world".Sep 07 17:16
msb__If you claim that I have, QUOTE ME SAYING IT.Sep 07 17:16
msb__All seven of the alternative news sources that I've found, which have no connection with Russia or Putin, agree, e.g., that the US enforced a Nazi coup in Ukraine.Sep 07 17:18
MinceRyou support putin's efforts to annex ukraine, the baltic countries, poland, hungary, and the rest of europeSep 07 17:18
MinceRand your entire justification for it is "durr hurr the usa is evil!"Sep 07 17:18
msb__MinceR: You claim these news sites are controlled by Putin, but you have never given the slightest bit of proof.Sep 07 17:18
MinceRi have, but you ignored itSep 07 17:18
msb__MinceR: STOP LYING ABOUT ME.  I have never said anything like this:  "you support putin's efforts to annex ukraine, the baltic countries, poland, hungary, and the rest of europe"Sep 07 17:19
MinceRyeah, you used different wordsSep 07 17:19
msb__Quote me.Sep 07 17:19
MinceRi wonder if you'd sing the same song if you lived in the eastern blocSep 07 17:20
MinceRor you're only willing to toss out the lives and freedoms of other peopleSep 07 17:20
msb__Quote me.Sep 07 17:20
MinceRit's easy to cheer for putin's conquests from an armchair in the usaSep 07 17:20
msb__MinceR: STOP LYING ABOUT ME.  Quote me saying I'm "willing to toss out the lives and freedoms of other people".Sep 07 17:21
MinceRanytime something goes wrong anywhere, you immediately say it's the usa/nazis, but whatever putin does (as the head of a christian fundamentalist nazi, fascist dictatorship) is acceptable to youSep 07 17:22
MinceRwhenever someone ends up on the opposite side of a conflict from putin, you attack themSep 07 17:22
MinceRyou keep advertising other dictatorships aligned with the ussr without having any clue about what actually goes on thereSep 07 17:23
msb__MinceR: STOP LYING ABOUT ME.  Those are nonsensical generalizations about me that you have fabricated out of your irrational prejudice.Sep 07 17:23
MinceRif any state is ran in at least a little bit democratic way and their market is not completely centrally controlled, you call them nazisSep 07 17:24
msb__MinceR: STOP LYING ABOUT ME.  If you disagree with something I've said, quote it, and then argue about it.Sep 07 17:24
MinceRi'm summing up your ramblingsSep 07 17:24
MinceRif you forgot what you said, look it up in the logs.Sep 07 17:24
msb__Your are LYING about my statements.Sep 07 17:24
MinceRoh yes, if someone exposes you as a supporter of dictatorships and a hypocrite, all you can say is "HURR DURR YOU'RE LYING ABOUT ME"Sep 07 17:25
msb__Nonsense.  If you make claims about what I said, it is your responsibility to quote what I said.Sep 07 17:25
MinceRno, it is not my responsibility to flood this channel with the bullshit you spewed here over the yearsSep 07 17:25
msb__I haven't said hurr durr anything.  Sep 07 17:26
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msb__You are flooding this channel with false generalizations about what I said.  Because you know you can't prove your claims from quotes.Sep 07 17:26
MinceRapparently msb__ only reads book/movie reviews that quote the entire text of the book/movieSep 07 17:27
MinceRwhat's in this for you?Sep 07 17:27
MinceRdo you think putin will reward you for shilling for him?Sep 07 17:28
msb__Another nonsense statement.Sep 07 17:28
MinceRhe won't. he doesn't care about you.Sep 07 17:28
MinceRhe doesn't care for any of the misled people who fight for his cause online.Sep 07 17:28
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msb__I am not fighting for any cause except the truth.  You linked an article based on false information.  I linked a video correcting that information, but you refuse to access it.Sep 07 17:30
msb__You fabricate lies about what I've said, and refuse to back up your claims with quotes from me.  You can't, because your claims are lies.Sep 07 17:32
MinceRyou call whatever putin's mouthpieces say "the truth" regardless of whether it's true or notSep 07 17:32
MinceRmy claims are summaries of what you said over a long time, and i'm not going to flood the channel to appease youSep 07 17:33
MinceRand by the way "a global dictatorship" is not "the truth", it's a dystopian future.Sep 07 17:33
XRevan86msb__: Well, it's not like this rt.com article was very convincing.Sep 07 17:33
XRevan86Though a little research of their presented information could lead to the truthSep 07 17:33
msb__MinceR: If your claims are summaries, you should be able to give one or two recent quotes supporting your claims.  But you can't, because your claims are lies.Sep 07 17:33
XRevan86(I didn't bother myself)Sep 07 17:34
MinceRmsb__: your responses would be the same anyway, so i don't waste my timeSep 07 17:34
msb__XRevan86: The video at the top of the article is better than the text.Sep 07 17:34
XRevan86msb__: I watched it, yes.Sep 07 17:34
XRevan86msb__: Can you give the link again?Sep 07 17:35
msb__Well, it has the representative of the Delovaya Zhizn site saying that the article was hacked from a Kiev IP.Sep 07 17:35
XRevan86ah, no needSep 07 17:35
msb__http://www.rt.com/news/313653-russia-ukraine-soldiers-fake-forbes/Sep 07 17:36
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.rt.com | Who slipped? How fake report on ‘Russian soldier deaths’ in Ukraine set MSM on fire — RT News [ http://ur1.ca/nl21a ]Sep 07 17:36
XRevan86msb__: Do they? Someone personally should ask them.Sep 07 17:36
msb__If the video won't stream, I have a recording of it that I made from RT.Sep 07 17:36
XRevan86msb__: It streams. I need to rewatchSep 07 17:37
msb__The video details the attempts RT made to personally contact them.  They refuse personal contact.Sep 07 17:37
XRevan86some fact slippedSep 07 17:37
XRevan86msb__: If they refuse a personal contactSep 07 17:37
XRevan86how do we know it's a hack?Sep 07 17:37
MinceRwe don'tSep 07 17:37
MinceRall we have is some "news" sites friendly to the russian government claiming it was a "hack"Sep 07 17:38
msb__Then why do Forbes and FT claim the info is accurate?Sep 07 17:38
XRevan86MinceR: RT claims Forbes refers to BL while BL claims they were hacked.Sep 07 17:38
XRevan86I mean, RT claims all thatSep 07 17:39
MinceRbecause if a supporter of putin discloses something harmful to putin, it's more likely to be accurate than if it's beneficial to himSep 07 17:39
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XRevan86> Editorial board of "Business Life"Sep 07 17:39
XRevan86msb__: Sorry, that's not enough.Sep 07 17:39
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msb__Here's the Forbes article:  http://www.forbes.com/sites/paulroderickgregory/2015/08/25/kremlin-censors-rush-to-erase-inadvertent-release-of-russian-casualties-in-east-ukraine/Sep 07 17:43
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.forbes.com | Russia May Have Inadvertently Posted Its Casualties In Ukraine: 2,000 Deaths, 3,200 Disabled [ http://ur1.ca/npcfm ]Sep 07 17:43
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XRevan86> An independent analysis by Ruslan Leviev suggests that the Business Life document may be fake. I discuss Leviev’s analysis in a follow-up post, and have revised this post accordinglySep 07 17:44
XRevan86And that is enough.Sep 07 17:44
MinceRthat site is greatSep 07 17:45
MinceRempty page, with a circular animation going around and aroundSep 07 17:45
MinceRi enable javascript, i get a fullscreen ad with a countdownSep 07 17:45
MinceRi click contiune to site, i get the animation againSep 07 17:45
MinceRthe web is dead.Sep 07 17:45
XRevan86MinceR: Reenter the linkSep 07 17:45
MinceRcongrats to the w3c, you did it, guys! you fucked it all up!Sep 07 17:46
XRevan86When I figured that, I finally realised Forbes just sucksSep 07 17:46
XRevan86I thought they're blocking meSep 07 17:46
MinceRthey really should go whole hog and put activex into the html5 "standard" tooSep 07 17:47
MinceRbut yeah, that's a far better argument than RT claiming BL claiming they were "hacked"Sep 07 17:47
msb__The Forbes article comes in ok for me with firefox.  Sep 07 17:47
MinceR(not that "hack" means what they think it means anyway)Sep 07 17:47
XRevan86MinceR: Turnes out, RT is right.Sep 07 17:47
MinceRit managed to load (very slowly) in my trash profileSep 07 17:47
XRevan86+1 to RTSep 07 17:48
msb__MinceR: What is a "trash profile" ?Sep 07 17:50
schestowitzRT is crapSep 07 17:50
XRevan86A secondary Firefox profile, I guessSep 07 17:50
XRevan86-1 to RTSep 07 17:50
schestowitzI only link to it when I lack enough sources to translate somethingSep 07 17:50
MinceRmsb__: a firefox/iceweasel profile named "trash" (named after adobe flash), which is the only profile i enabled the flash plugin inSep 07 17:50
schestowitzRT is good at one thingSep 07 17:50
MinceRit also doesn't have noscript installedSep 07 17:50
schestowitzcountering Washington jingoismSep 07 17:51
schestowitzPolice brutality, attacks on whistleblowers, etc.Sep 07 17:51
MinceRso i use that if i want to view the contents of a website that's doing way too much to prevent me from accessing itSep 07 17:51
schestowitzMuch of RT is Putin propagandaSep 07 17:51
schestowitzunderplaying/lowballing financial disparity and high-level corruption in RussiaSep 07 17:51
schestowitzand pro-Russia Military puff piecesSep 07 17:51
MinceR(the usual shit: js from dozens of domains, preferably not connected to the site itself, flash applets, etc.)Sep 07 17:51
schestowitzinc. damage control, e.g. when a sub goes up in flames with smokeSep 07 17:52
MinceRfor less broken sites, enabling js from one or two domains or disabling css is sufficientSep 07 17:52
schestowitzKremlin and Russia are obviously influences a lot by militarySep 07 17:52
schestowitzlike in USSR, like in UK, US, Israel etc.Sep 07 17:52
schestowitzMilitary censors and all in the media, don't trust it for reporting on its own affairs, only foreign, with a grain of saltSep 07 17:53
MinceRi wonder what good is countering washington jingoism from a site that's not credible due to its shameless posting of putin's propagandaSep 07 17:53
msb__schestowitz: Please cite some actual RT stories proving that "Much of RT is Putin propaganda"Sep 07 17:53
MinceRin the end, we get obviously biased sites shouting at each otherSep 07 17:53
XRevan86schestowitz: You believe, newsru.com is affected too?Sep 07 17:53
schestowitz[17:53] <MinceR> i wonder what good is countering washington jingoism from a site that's not credible due to its shameless posting of putin's propagandaSep 07 17:53
schestowitzThey still can't make stuff up when covering US abusesSep 07 17:54
schestowitzit's too far awaySep 07 17:54
MinceRsure they canSep 07 17:54
XRevan86schestowitz: Don't see a problem.Sep 07 17:54
schestowitzbut when people like snowden of machon... or drake and binney have nobody in MSM to turn to, they got to RT or AJSep 07 17:54
schestowitz*goSep 07 17:54
MinceRin current "journalism", they aren't even expected to cite their sourcesSep 07 17:54
MinceRif only they turned to multiple sites independent of each otherSep 07 17:55
schestowitzso RT can be a platform for voicing opinions of US personnel whom the MSM in US (or UK, e.g. Machan, Pirate Party) suppressesSep 07 17:55
schestowitzmsb__: go to front pageSep 07 17:55
schestowitzmsb__: browese aroundSep 07 17:55
schestowitza lot of RT is nationalisticSep 07 17:55
schestowitz(like MSM in other countries, only RT is more tightly controlled by gov.)Sep 07 17:56
schestowitz!google putin visits Russia Today RT photosSep 07 17:56
TechrightsBot-tr[1] - Putin's Beijing visit to boost Russia-China trade — RT Business | https://www.rt.com/business/314081-russia-china-deals-coopeartion/Sep 07 17:56
TechrightsBot-tr[2] - Japan: Putin's visit to Tokyo may settle Kuril Islands dispute - RT.com | https://www.rt.com/news/260277-putin-japan-kuril-islands/Sep 07 17:56
TechrightsBot-tr[3] - Putin talks NSA, Syria, Iran, drones in RT interview (FULL VIDEO ... | http://www.rt.com/news/putin-rt-interview-full-577/Sep 07 17:56
TechrightsBot-tr[4] - 'His handshakes break hands': Press secretary dismisses Putin ... | http://www.rt.com/politics/240025-russia-peskov-putin-health/Sep 07 17:56
schestowitz(disregard the above, not relevant)Sep 07 17:56
schestowitz[17:54] <MinceR> in current "journalism", they aren't even expected to cite their sourcesSep 07 17:56
schestowitzDepends on how you define journalismSep 07 17:56
schestowitzSites like The Register or ITWire hardly have linksSep 07 17:57
schestowitzTR has many linksSep 07 17:57
schestowitzRT has some, but not manySep 07 17:57
schestowitzConsrtium News has almost noneSep 07 17:57
MinceRTR does, but most sites i've seen don't have many, usually they have noneSep 07 17:57
schestowitzlike it's printed in paperSep 07 17:57
schestowitzthey think we still have this limitationSep 07 17:57
MinceRindeedSep 07 17:57
schestowitzacademic papers used to have citations [1]Sep 07 17:58
MinceRif journalism didn't die before the spread of the internet, we'd have them, most likelySep 07 17:58
schestowitzsome still use this limiting style on the Web!!!Sep 07 17:58
schestowitzEven if they don't just latex2htmlSep 07 17:58
schestowitzA lot of the news I find I just looks links inside of... to find the source.... in MSM that's nearly impossibleSep 07 17:58
schestowitzthey might name the source but even then not give the linkSep 07 17:58
schestowitzlike "According to the Washington Post'Sep 07 17:59
schestowitz"An online blog..."Sep 07 17:59
schestowitzStill no link, that's rubbish and worthlessSep 07 17:59
schestowitzI can understand why sites that correspond to PRINTED newspapers don't have linksSep 07 17:59
schestowitzthe reporters focus on print mediaSep 07 17:59
msb__schestowitz: RT: "Liberals blast Russian election law as ‘medieval,’ suggest radical changes"   Is that what you mean as Putin propaganda?  If not, please point some out.Sep 07 18:00
schestowitzand print media has no notion like hyperlinkSep 07 18:00
schestowitzbut if they have analogous online version, they might as well make it a two-form publication, one for paper and one for online, with working linksSep 07 18:00
schestowitzfor sites with paywalls that are cited, or newspapers with no Internet sites (are there any?) this may be an issueSep 07 18:00
schestowitzmsb__: let me see..Sep 07 18:01
schestowitzfront pageSep 07 18:02
schestowitztop two stories bash EuropeSep 07 18:02
schestowitz4th story also anti-US pro-Russia storySep 07 18:02
schestowitz3rd is Iraq storySep 07 18:02
schestowitzagainst ISIS, which Russia doesn't like (a threat to Russia at the south)Sep 07 18:03
schestowitz5th story abotu ThailandSep 07 18:03
schestowitzand feature article in front page:Sep 07 18:03
schestowitz"95,000 Russian troops to take part in Central Military District surprise check"Sep 07 18:03
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schestowitzMilitary propagandaSep 07 18:04
MinceReven printed newspapers could have URLs (shortened ones, even) in their articlesSep 07 18:04
MinceRif they caredSep 07 18:04
schestowitzso in summary, 66% of top stories anti EUSep 07 18:04
schestowitzthe rest is Thaitrland and anti-US, pro-Russia militarySep 07 18:05
schestowitzand highlight is pro-Russia MilitarySep 07 18:05
schestowitzand that's just based on a random check from 2 minutes agoSep 07 18:05
msb__schestowitz: Which of those articles you cite are Putin propaganda, or are untrue?Sep 07 18:05
schestowitzso one who reads the site wouls think Russian soldiers are awesome, Russia "aids" Syria (with weapons), US stands in the way of aid, and Europe is a bloody mess that no Russian would ever want to immigrate toSep 07 18:06
schestowitzof course it's easy to just stumble upon some particular RT articles you likeSep 07 18:06
schestowitzbut that's not what RT _as a whole_ is aboutSep 07 18:06
schestowitzmsb__: bias by selectionSep 07 18:07
msb__schestowitz: Only if the reader was a lunatic who made ridiculous generalizations from a few limited news stories.Sep 07 18:07
schestowitzpropaganda by amplifying what makes Russia look goodSep 07 18:07
schestowitzor what makes its adversaries look badSep 07 18:07
schestowitzshow me RT exposing leaks/top stories on Russian oligarchs protected by KremlinSep 07 18:07
schestowitzOr something about Ukraine that's not Russian spinSep 07 18:08
msb__schestowitz: So now you're saying that your claim that RT is Putin propaganda is based on what they _don't_ publish?Sep 07 18:08
schestowitzno, reread what I wroteSep 07 18:10
schestowitzthe editorial control is all nationalistic, as is the case in many other countriesSep 07 18:10
schestowitzso you need to read Russia-hostile sources to see what RT et al. are trying to hide or distract fromSep 07 18:11
msb__That would be any and all corporate US and UK newspapers.Sep 07 18:11
MinceRhttp://blogs.msdn.com/b/oldnewthing/archive/2015/09/07/10640031.aspxSep 07 18:12
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msb__schestowitz: Here is the one and only article linked from the RT front page about Putin.  Is there anything inaccurate in it?  http://www.rt.com/politics/314397-situation-in-ukraine-depends-on/Sep 07 18:14
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.rt.com | ‘Ukraine situation depends on its people’s patience, not on Russia’ – Putin — RT Russian politics [ http://ur1.ca/npcty ]Sep 07 18:15
MinceReven the title is a blatant lieSep 07 18:15
schestowitzhttps://twitter.com/backavar/status/640933890853441536?cn=cmVwbHk%3D&refsrc=emailSep 07 18:15
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@backavar: @schestowitz maybe, but no one in the US has even bothered to listen to what I have to say. Instead they talk about me. I hate it.Sep 07 18:15
schestowitzMr. drone strikesSep 07 18:15
schestowitz1600 kills I thinkSep 07 18:15
schestowitzlike almost half of the wholeSep 07 18:15
schestowitzit's nice that he's in twitter, trying to appease people like me..Sep 07 18:16
MinceRrussia is still pretending that they have no forces in crimea (and likely other parts of ukraine)?Sep 07 18:16
MinceRi guess this is classic Big LieSep 07 18:16
schestowitzI think in Crimea it's a lie to say no forcesSep 07 18:20
schestowitzalas, to say that the Buk was shot by Russians is not correct based on what I can gatherSep 07 18:20
schestowitzthe Buk was made in Russian and came from thereSep 07 18:20
schestowitzbut no evidence that the operators were Russians masked as "separatists"Sep 07 18:21
schestowitzEven Finland has BuksSep 07 18:21
schestowitzVladimir bukinSep 07 18:21
MinceRi think it's unlikely that russians would hand over their Buks to the ukrainians they're aiming to subjugateSep 07 18:21
schestowitzwhat about pro-Russian rebels?Sep 07 18:21
MinceRit's far more likely that they'd hand them over to the separatists who are allegedly not russian soldiersSep 07 18:21
schestowitzyes, that's what I meantSep 07 18:22
MinceRor allegedly on a vacation, depending on what fits into the official story betterSep 07 18:22
schestowitzhttps://www.joindiaspora.com/posts/6566290Sep 07 18:22
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@c_blondel@framasphere.org: À Bruxelles, des agriculteurs jettent du foin sur la police et y mettent... https://youtu.be/N6e4-RJ1vyc via @YouyouteSep 07 18:22
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights--> www.youtube.com | À Bruxelles, des agriculteurs jettent du foin sur la police et y mettent le feu - YouTubeSep 07 18:22
msb__MinceR: The US invaded Ukraine using Nazi proxies -- Right Sector and Svoboda -- and 5 BILLION dollars.  Russia has the right to protect its people there who don't want to live under a regime that backs the WW2 Nazis that killed 20 million Russians.Sep 07 18:23
MinceRyawnSep 07 18:23
MinceRhttps://pbs.twimg.com/media/BqmboHoCcAAgE8z.jpgSep 07 18:23
MinceRdon't you have any less tired fascist cliches ready?Sep 07 18:23
msb__MinceR: a nonsensical response.Sep 07 18:23
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msb__US corporate/govt media.  Russia has done no mass murder or ethnic cleansing in Ukraine at all.Sep 07 18:24
schestowitzGermany under Nazis didn't try to protect "ethnic germans"Sep 07 18:25
MinceRfunny how killing in ww2 matters but stuff that happened later you dismiss as being old stuffSep 07 18:25
schestowitzthat's not what the motivator wasSep 07 18:25
MinceRmsb__: you really don't let facts hinder your argumentation, do you?Sep 07 18:25
schestowitzNot sure how to frame the Milosevic [spelling] thingSep 07 18:25
msb__MinceR: You keep LYING about me, don't you?Sep 07 18:25
MinceRschestowitz: neither is russiaSep 07 18:25
MinceRthey just want to extend their empireSep 07 18:25
MinceRmsb__: can't you come up with anything else?Sep 07 18:26
schestowitzsomething with the word "Destroy" in itSep 07 18:26
MinceRmsb__: one would think you're more mature than a kid in kindergarten...Sep 07 18:26
msb__If you come up with any facts, I will discuss them.Sep 07 18:26
MinceRmsb__: i have, and you dismissed them or ignored themSep 07 18:26
schestowitzI have alerts set for "roy", so msb_ keeps showing up in my alerts in KDE...Sep 07 18:26
MinceRschestowitz: lolSep 07 18:27
schestowitzthe other thing is twitter items with the word "royal" in themSep 07 18:27
schestowitzin -social channelSep 07 18:27
schestowitzbut several times a day msb__ would say destroy, and probably Nazis tooSep 07 18:27
schestowitzmaybe thermite...Sep 07 18:28
msb__MinceR: You fabricate lies about what I've said, and then refuse to cite any quotes from me to prove them.  Because you can't.Sep 07 18:28
MinceRmsb__: you apparently forget everything you say instantlySep 07 18:28
MinceRmsb__: or you don't know what the things you say meanSep 07 18:28
MinceRmsb__: or you're just a lying putler shillSep 07 18:28
MinceRmsb__: or a combination of the aboveSep 07 18:29
MinceRmsb__: why not put your money where your mouth is and move to russia?Sep 07 18:29
msb__MinceR: I remember well what I've said.  It just doesn't support your lies about me, which is why I ask you to give quotes to support your claims.Sep 07 18:29
MinceRi'm sure you'd enjoy being enrolled into the russian orthodox churchSep 07 18:30
msb__Is that a requirement for all Russian citizens?Sep 07 18:30
MinceRyou could even join the army and risk your own ass as a soldier "on vacation" instead of shooting your mouth off about how putin's enemies must dieSep 07 18:31
MinceRit may yet become a requirementSep 07 18:31
msb__MinceR: Stop LYING about me.  Or give a quote where I've said "putin's enemies must die"Sep 07 18:33
MinceRyou support russians waging war on othersSep 07 18:34
MinceRwhat do you think happens in a war?Sep 07 18:34
msb__The US, its 5 billion dollars, and its Ukrainian Nazi proxies started the war in Ukraine.  Russia has the right to protect its people there who are being atttacked and want its protection.Sep 07 18:36
schestowitzRussia has not historically protected UkraineSep 07 18:37
msb__It is the US and those Nazis that are "waging" war there.Sep 07 18:37
schestowitz!google stalin punish ukraine famineSep 07 18:37
TechrightsBot-tr[1] - Ukraine Famine | United Human Rights Council | http://www.unitedhumanrights.org/genocide/ukraine_famine.htmSep 07 18:37
TechrightsBot-tr[2] - InfoUkes: Ukrainian History -- The Artificial Famine/Genocide ... | http://www.infoukes.com/history/famine/Sep 07 18:37
TechrightsBot-tr[3] - The Great Ukrainian Famine of 1932-33 - Online Encyclopedia of ... | http://www.massviolence.org/the-1932-1933-great-famine-in-ukraineSep 07 18:37
TechrightsBot-tr[4] - The Ukrainian Famine of 1932-1933 as Genocide | http://www.faminegenocide.com/2008-competition/02-famine_as_genocide.htmSep 07 18:37
schestowitzThis alone is worse than all recent US invasionsSep 07 18:37
msb__It was also 80 years ago, and has nothing to do with the present situation.Sep 07 18:38
MinceRmsb__: bullshit.Sep 07 18:38
schestowitz"           Every year Ukrainians pay tribute to the 10 million innocent people who suffered and died from the artificial famine in Soviet Ukraine. The famine from 1932-1933 was not the result of a drought, flood, or crop failure; rather, it was caused by Joseph Stalin’s intention to eliminate the Ukrainian nation, and was entirely man-made. "Sep 07 18:38
schestowitzcombined Vietnam, Iraq, korea etc. and you're stil short of 10 million dead, by most countsSep 07 18:39
schestowitzsome would say 11mlSep 07 18:39
msb__That was 80 years ago.  Ukrainian Nazis are killing people today (although maybe they've slowed down recently).Sep 07 18:39
MinceRrussian nazis are killing people todaySep 07 18:39
MinceRand you're cheering them onSep 07 18:39
msb__MinceR: No.  First, Russians are not Nazis, except in your mind where you have falsified concepts.  Second, people in east Ukraine have requested protection and annexation from Russia, and IIRC, a million people have fled to Russia from there.Sep 07 18:41
MinceRmsb__: so, if the russian nationalist fundamentalist imperialist fascists who own the entire country, oppress gays and are in cahoots with the russian orthodox church aren't nazis, what are they?Sep 07 18:43
msb__They are not what you exaggerate them to be.Sep 07 18:43
MinceRthey are all that, and moreSep 07 18:43
msb__So you lie.Sep 07 18:44
MinceRbut of course your favorite RT won't tell that to you, and neither will the garbage sites who copy RT articlesSep 07 18:44
MinceRso to you, it doesn't existSep 07 18:44
MinceRmsb__: also, if a KGB agent serving the ussr turned dictator with less denial about being a nationalist is not a nazi, then what is he?Sep 07 18:44
msb__MinceR: You constantly LIE about all alternative news sites and claim they are getting news from Russia, which they are not.Sep 07 18:46
MinceRthey don't say they're getting news from RT?Sep 07 18:46
msb__CorrectSep 07 18:46
MinceRthat's good, because that's not news, it's fascist government propagandaSep 07 18:46
msb__You don't know what fascism is.Sep 07 18:47
MinceRno, you don't know what it isSep 07 18:47
MinceRyou never experienced it from your armchair in the usa.Sep 07 18:47
MinceRby the way, how does it feel to be in denial about opposing all human rights?Sep 07 18:47
msb__You think fascism and authoritarianism are the same, but you are wrong.Sep 07 18:48
msb__Fascism is a type of authoritarianism, but not all auth. is fascism.Sep 07 18:48
MinceR"Fascism (/fæʃɪzəm/) is a form of radical authoritarian nationalism[1][2] that came to prominence in early 20th-century Europe."Sep 07 18:48
MinceRradical, check. authoritarian, check. nationalist, check.Sep 07 18:49
msb__MinceR: BTW, how does it feel to be LYING with every alternate statement that you make?Sep 07 18:49
MinceRprotip: pretending that you're a "council" and not a russian does not make you not nationalist.Sep 07 18:49
MinceRreplacing words do not make the underlying concept any better.Sep 07 18:49
MinceR"council" is not better than "russian" in the same way "bing" is not better than "msn search"Sep 07 18:49
msb__As I said, Fascism is a type of authoritarianism.Sep 07 18:49
MinceRand you love authoritarianismSep 07 18:50
msb__But not all authoritarianism is fascism.Sep 07 18:50
MinceRbut you hate to have it called fascismSep 07 18:50
MinceReven though the one you're shilling for is fascism.Sep 07 18:50
msb__MinceR: Do you understand subsets?  Logical implication?Sep 07 18:50
msb__MinceR: STOP LYING ABOUT ME!  STOP LYING ABOUT ME!  STOP LYING ABOUT ME!  Sep 07 18:51
msb__I am not shilling for anybody.Sep 07 18:51
msb__MinceR: Do you understand subsets?  Logical implication?Sep 07 18:51
MinceRmsb__: oh, and by the way, trying to blur the lines between (russian-style) state communism and anarcho-communism is not helping your case.Sep 07 18:51
MinceRmsb__: unlike you, i know what i'm talking about.Sep 07 18:52
msb__MinceR: STOP LYING ABOUT ME!  I have stated very clearly that I do not favor state-controlled socialism.  I favor worker-controlled socialism.Sep 07 18:53
msb__I have told you that many times, but you keep lying about what I've said.Sep 07 18:53
schestowitzsome sites follow RTSep 07 18:53
schestowitzsome repost itSep 07 18:53
MinceRand then you run your mouth about how state-controlled "socialist" states are greatSep 07 18:54
schestowitzsome take their memos/instructions from same auhtoritiesSep 07 18:54
schestowitzSputnik a recent addition to theseSep 07 18:54
schestowitzSome of them went off the radarSep 07 18:54
schestowitzmaybe abandoned when people realise what they were up toSep 07 18:54
msb__I don't use sputnik.Sep 07 18:54
schestowitzpravda.ru is still activeSep 07 18:54
msb__Or pravdaSep 07 18:54
schestowitzsome I'd never cite because they're vile sites calling themselves "news"Sep 07 18:54
MinceRwow, there are two putin mouthpieces msb__ does not admit to usingSep 07 18:54
schestowitzall operated out of moscowSep 07 18:55
schestowitzthey'd spew out the official line when instructedSep 07 18:55
msb__MinceR: I don't admit it because I never use them.  STOP LYING ABOUT ME!  Sep 07 18:55
schestowitzlike "jets shoot cockpit of Malaysia Airlines flight"Sep 07 18:55
MinceRmsb__: if you had any credibility at all, that would even mean something.Sep 07 18:55
msb__schestowitz: There is photographic evidence of that -- pictures of the metal shot from both sides.Sep 07 18:56
schestowitzSputnik is good at covering US whistleblowers and giving them a voice/platformSep 07 18:56
schestowitzmsb__: don't start...Sep 07 18:56
schestowitzleave that to Pravda and the Moscow Mafia...Sep 07 18:56
MinceRmaybe he's a member of the moscow mafiaSep 07 18:56
schestowitzthey're obviouslt effective as some people will believe anythingSep 07 18:57
msb__schestowitz: Are you telling me not to show the pictorial evidence?Sep 07 18:58
MinceRdepends on whether you want us to be amazed by the photoshop skills of russian government employeesSep 07 18:58
schestowitzLOL I heard some peopel claiming the photos were of dollsSep 07 18:58
schestowitzand that the plane parts didn't have real bodies amid them...Sep 07 18:59
schestowitzyes, they said it looked like inflatable dollsSep 07 18:59
msb__Google     ukrainian refugees russia        700,000 refugees from Ukraine have entered Russia after the US/Nazi coup.Sep 07 19:02
MinceRhttp://i.imgur.com/hvkytgB.jpgSep 07 19:06
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schestowitz>>> If LP had wished to be non-disruptive, he would have demonstratedSep 07 19:47
schestowitz>>> >> systemd in a separate testbed distro, something which has been pointedSep 07 19:47
schestowitz>>> >> out to him for years.  An example would be much like what NextBSD isSep 07 19:47
schestowitz>>> >> doing with other technology:Sep 07 19:47
schestowitz>>> >>Sep 07 19:48
schestowitz>>> >> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/NextBSDSep 07 19:48
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schestowitz>>> >>Sep 07 19:48
schestowitz>>> >> But because he has chosen to force distros into systemd and the nastySep 07 19:48
schestowitz>>> >> tactics he and his (self-described) cabal employ, I can only say that itSep 07 19:48
schestowitz>>> >> looks like disruption of both community and technology is one of theSep 07 19:48
schestowitz>>> >> intended consequences.Sep 07 19:48
schestowitz>> > Working for Red Hat and the company's partners helps.Sep 07 19:48
schestowitz>> > Sep 07 19:48
schestowitz>> > Sep 07 19:48
schestowitz> Yeah, Red Hat in some ways has a lot to gain from weakening Debian andSep 07 19:48
schestowitz> its community.  However, overall I think it loses out by hurting them.Sep 07 19:48
schestowitz>  They would do better to work together instead, they have M$ and, to aSep 07 19:48
schestowitz> certain extent, Oracle to fight.Sep 07 19:48
MinceRi thought fedora _was_ a separate testbed distroSep 07 19:48
schestowitzhttp://lxer.com/module/forums/t/35967/Sep 07 19:53
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schestowitz"Sep 07 19:53
schestowitz> TCO studies about Microsoft vs. Open Source products always seem to assume that Windows knowledge is god-given.Sep 07 19:53
schestowitzYou mean you don't find the MS ribbon interface to be a natural extension of the mind? ;-)Sep 07 19:53
schestowitz"Sep 07 19:53
schestowitz"Sep 07 19:54
schestowitzThe typical Microsoft TCO argument only substantiates two things:Sep 07 19:54
schestowitz1. It is possible to manipulate statistics to "prove" any point, however weak.Sep 07 19:54
schestowitz2. Anyone buying into such weak arguments deserves to be labeled weak-minded and incapable of critical independent thinking. Sep 07 19:54
schestowitz"Sep 07 19:54
MinceRthey also deserve to use the ribbonSep 07 19:59
schestowitzI saw it a few timeSep 07 20:02
schestowitzweird UISep 07 20:02
schestowitztakes ages to get to the buttons you needSep 07 20:03
schestowitzit just looks more 'advanced' with tabsSep 07 20:03
schestowitzbut practically, if you use just a few buttons many times, why not make it possible to customise your menuSep 07 20:03
schestowitzlike in mozilla firefox, thunderbird, kate, etc.Sep 07 20:03
schestowitzeven lyxSep 07 20:03
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MinceRand the advantages of neitherSep 07 20:09
MinceRand it breaks the title barSep 07 20:09
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Porting Guix and GuixSD | Tux MachinesSep 07 20:11
MinceRi'm pretty sure my android tablet runs "real linux"Sep 07 20:11
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schestowitzhttps://twitter.com/CandidCanon/status/640959753393324032    https://twitter.com/IAM_magazine/status/640962638747271168Sep 07 21:19
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@CandidCanon: Well said: "but people don’t create patents, people create something and can then apply for a monopoly on it" @schestowitz @IAM_magazineSep 07 21:19
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@IAM_magazine: @CandidCanon @schestowitz All patents convey a monopoly? That's a new one. Aren't they actually a right - not an obligation - to exclude?Sep 07 21:19
TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     Munich now a major contributor to open sourceSep 07 21:21
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Munich now a major contributor to open source | Tux MachinesSep 07 21:21
TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     Nvidia Releases Updated Linux Drivers for theSep 07 21:21
TweetTuxMachines                 Old GeForce 8 and 9 SeriesSep 07 21:21
TweetTuxMachines                 http://t.co/1e8eNJCFor (www.tuxmachines.org)Sep 07 21:21
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Nvidia Releases Updated Linux Drivers for the Old GeForce 8 and 9 Series | Tux MachinesSep 07 21:21
TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     OpenELEC 6.0 Beta 5 Now Uses Linux Kernel 4.1Sep 07 21:21
TweetTuxMachines                 and Latest Nvidia DriversSep 07 21:21
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TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     Take Linux Foundation Training, Get a FreeSep 07 21:42
TweetTuxMachines                 Chromebook http://t.co/WKYwCzXn7ESep 07 21:42
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Take Linux Foundation Training, Get a Free Chromebook | Tux MachinesSep 07 21:42
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*TweetTuxMachines @retroDoomer favourited 'Nvidia Releases Updated Linux Drivers for the Old...'Sep 07 21:42
msb__Here's the major article showing the MH17 metal panel with bullet holes from both sides, thus from the two Ukraine-Nazi jet fighters that were seen with the airliner.  Download the indicated pdf and expand it to see the holes clearly.  http://www.anderweltonline.com/wissenschaft-und-technik/luftfahrt-2014/shocking-analysis-of-the-shooting-down-of-malaysian-mh17/ Sep 07 21:52
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.anderweltonline.com | AnderweltOnline: Shocking Analysis of the ‘Shooting Down’ of Malaysian MH17 [ http://ur1.ca/jzepx ]Sep 07 21:52
schestowitzhttps://twitter.com/CandidCanon/status/640992317495599104Sep 07 21:59
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@CandidCanon: @IAM_magazine @schestowitz Monopoly: "the exclusive possession or control of the supply or trade in a commodity or service."Sep 07 21:59
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schestowitzhttp://www.kubuntu.org/news/kde-applications-15041-available-kubuntu-1504Sep 07 22:11
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.kubuntu.org | KDE Applications 15.04.1 Available for Kubuntu 15.04 | Kubuntu [ http://ur1.ca/npfnw ]Sep 07 22:11
schestowitzstill no kde 5.4Sep 07 22:11
schestowitzonly for alpha versionSep 07 22:11
schestowitzhttp://linux.softpedia.com/blog/Kubuntu-15-10-Will-Include-the-KDE-Plasma-5-4-Desktop-Environment-479860.shtml http://news.softpedia.com/news/kde-plasma-5-4-lands-in-kubuntu-15-10-wily-werewolf-491021.shtmlSep 07 22:11
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-linux.softpedia.com | Kubuntu 15.10 Will Include the KDE Plasma 5.4 Desktop Environment - Softpedia [ http://ur1.ca/npfo2 ]Sep 07 22:11
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-news.softpedia.com | KDE Plasma 5.4 Lands in Kubuntu 15.10 (Wily Werewolf) - Softpedia [ http://ur1.ca/npfo3 ]Sep 07 22:11
schestowitzkde 5.4 for kubuntu 15.04Sep 07 22:14
schestowitzhttp://ubuntuhandbook.org/index.php/2015/08/install-kde-plasma-plasma-5-4/ http://askubuntu.com/questions/666175/how-to-install-plasma-5-4-on-kubuntuSep 07 22:15
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-ubuntuhandbook.org | How to Install KDE Plasma 5.4 in (K)Ubuntu 15.04 | UbuntuHandbook [ http://ur1.ca/npfpj ]Sep 07 22:15
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-askubuntu.com | How to install Plasma 5.4 on Kubuntu - Ask Ubuntu [ http://ur1.ca/npfpk ]Sep 07 22:15
schestowitzpossibly flaky repoSep 07 22:15
schestowitzthe latter links to the firstSep 07 22:16
schestowitzFrm some blogger "Ji m"Sep 07 22:16
schestowitzMaybe some Chinese repo, can't trust it...Sep 07 22:16
MinceRof course it's flaky, it's kde5, for ubuntu :>Sep 07 22:18
schestowitzhttps://twitter.com/CandidCanon/status/640992359417708544   https://twitter.com/IAM_magazine/status/640997124734369796Sep 07 22:22
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@CandidCanon: @IAM_magazine @schestowitz Kind of fits patents, no?Sep 07 22:22
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@IAM_magazine: @CandidCanon @schestowitz No, the vast majority of patents have no value and do nothing.Sep 07 22:22
schestowitzLOLSep 07 22:22
schestowitzWhat nonsense from patent lawyersSep 07 22:22
schestowitzif they have no value, why get them?Sep 07 22:22
schestowitzAnd if they have value, then they're monopoliesSep 07 22:23
schestowitzand that's where they derive their 'value' fromSep 07 22:23
schestowitzMinceR: I might just wait for the next major releaseSep 07 22:23
schestowitzlike Kubuntu 15.10Sep 07 22:23
schestowitzmight also be more stableSep 07 22:23
MinceRi don't think it will get any betterSep 07 22:23
schestowitzwith overall changed in and out, this systemd and plasma nonsense makes Kubuntu look like crapSep 07 22:24
schestowitzmaybe I'll move to devuan when it's readySep 07 22:24
schestowitzthen just add kde to itSep 07 22:24
schestowitzkubuntu got worse, not betterSep 07 22:24
schestowitzI would have stayed 'behind' in 2013 if I foresaw this...Sep 07 22:25
TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     Librem 13 Free Software Laptop Nears FundingSep 07 22:34
TweetTuxMachines                 Goals, After Self-FundingSep 07 22:34
TweetTuxMachines                 http://t.co/t2wdCThVMk (www.tuxmachines.org)Sep 07 22:34
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Librem 13 Free Software Laptop Nears Funding Goals, After Self-Funding | Tux MachinesSep 07 22:34
TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     The Solus OS Fundraiser Deemed a Success,Sep 07 22:34
TweetTuxMachines                 Project Still Needs Your HelpSep 07 22:34
TweetTuxMachines                 http://t.co/6fdON3C64r (www.tuxmachines.org)Sep 07 22:34
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | The Solus OS Fundraiser Deemed a Success, Project Still Needs Your Help | Tux MachinesSep 07 22:34
cubexyzwell at least systemd have one positive effectSep 07 22:35
cubexyzit motivated me to check out other distrosSep 07 22:36
cubexyzs/have/had/Sep 07 22:36
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cubexyzhttp://www.gabordemooij.com/escape_from_systemd Sep 07 22:37
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.gabordemooij.com | Escape from systemd [ http://ur1.ca/jv1fk ]Sep 07 22:37
TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     Avnet and Red Hat to bring open source tech toSep 07 22:41
TweetTuxMachines                 Netherlands http://t.co/NBEAYZiq4dSep 07 22:41
TweetTuxMachines                 (www.tuxmachines.org)Sep 07 22:41
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Avnet and Red Hat to bring open source tech to Netherlands | Tux MachinesSep 07 22:41
TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     List Of 10 Funny Linux CommandsSep 07 22:41
TweetTuxMachines                 http://t.co/bSqJb7OppH (www.tuxmachines.org)Sep 07 22:41
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | List Of 10 Funny Linux Commands | Tux MachinesSep 07 22:41
TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     Canonical Shows X Apps Running Under Mir andSep 07 22:41
TweetTuxMachines                 Unity 8 - Video http://t.co/AKwnVp8kIMSep 07 22:41
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Canonical Shows X Apps Running Under Mir and Unity 8 - Video | Tux MachinesSep 07 22:41
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cubexyzI'm going to try an experimentSep 07 22:42
cubexyzrunning TDE programs using ssh with X11 forwarding and compressionSep 07 22:43
*TweetTuxMachines @RamiSilawi retweeted @tuxmachines: 'List Of 10 Funny Linux Commands http://t.co/bSqJb7OppH'Sep 07 22:43
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cubexyzbasically run TDE from older computersSep 07 22:43
cubexyzseems viableSep 07 22:55
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msb_Damn!  I'm getting "Lag Unknown" on all channels, despite having killed and restarted konversation.  Previously, IRC has been very reliable for me.Sep 07 23:20
MinceRcould be a client issueSep 07 23:22
cubexyzgive xchat a trySep 07 23:42
cubexyzmaybe check your traffic too, just in case someone is attacking youSep 07 23:43
MinceRxchat is dead and nonfreeSep 07 23:43
cubexyzI don't see how it's nonfreeSep 07 23:46
cubexyzit's gpl under Linux and BSDSep 07 23:46
MinceRthe most recent release was only released for winblows, as sharewareSep 07 23:48
MinceRin violation of the GPL, of courseSep 07 23:48
cubexyzthe IRC protocol hasn't changed much in a long timeSep 07 23:49
XRevan86MinceR: Happy thing it's dead.Sep 07 23:49
XRevan86and yet alive as hexchatSep 07 23:49
MinceRindeedSep 07 23:49
cubexyzso one could run an older xchat without any problemsSep 07 23:49
MinceRamong gui clients i prefer kvirc anywaySep 07 23:50
MinceRand if the gui is not a requirement, then weechat or irssiSep 07 23:50
XRevan86cubexyz: But hexchat is the name you should be using.Sep 07 23:50
XRevan86It's like "hey, everybody go for OpenOffice.org"Sep 07 23:50
msb_I've been using this version of konversation for years.  No way it could have changed.  My traffic is zilch, at least on this side of my router, which has a firewall.Sep 07 23:51
MinceRi seeSep 07 23:51
MinceRsomething can change on the ircd side that would break lag detection thoughSep 07 23:52
MinceRor connection issuesSep 07 23:52
cubexyzdoes anyone know if it's possible to run ssh forwarded X11 in grayscale?Sep 07 23:52
cubexyztrying to figure out a way to speed it upSep 07 23:52
MinceRdunno, but if x can do it, i don't see why notSep 07 23:52
MinceRx can certainly do monochromeSep 07 23:52
cubexyzI bet that hasn't been tested in a long timeSep 07 23:53
MinceR:>Sep 07 23:53
-NickServ-schestowitz!~roy@host86-157-132-162.range86-157.btcentralplus.com has just authenticated as you (schestowitz)Sep 07 23:53
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cubexyzxdpyinfo says depth 1 is supported but...Sep 07 23:53
MinceR(whether current x clients can cope with it is another matter...)Sep 07 23:54
cubexyzI get:Sep 07 23:54
msb_I suspect my ISP Comcast.  In the last week I've had at least a dozen disconnections, lasting up to 30 minutes.  They seem to have fixed that, but now there's this problem.Sep 07 23:54
cubexyzFatal server error:Sep 07 23:54
cubexyzUnable to find desired default visualSep 07 23:54
cubexyzwhat does it normally use, depth 24?Sep 07 23:55
cubexyzthen depth 8 would be fasterSep 07 23:55
cubexyzthe stupid server only supports 24 bpp it seemsSep 07 23:56
cubexyzbut xdpyinfo says notSep 07 23:56
cubexyzthe video driver doesn't support depth 8Sep 08 00:11
cubexyzthat figuresSep 08 00:11
cubexyzMinceR, could you even imagine firefox running in monochrome mode?Sep 08 00:13
MinceRi could imagine itSep 08 00:14
MinceRbut i doubt it supports thatSep 08 00:14
cubexyzdepth 16 worksSep 08 00:18
cubexyzI can't really tell if it's any fasterSep 08 00:18
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msb_Lots of good MH17 info in this video:  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YFlGLqiDogASep 08 01:02
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.youtube.com | Flight MH17 False Flag Conspiracy FULLY EXPOSED! Complete Compilation Of ALL The Evidence! - BUSTED! - YouTube [ http://ur1.ca/nphmm ]Sep 08 01:02
MinceRyet another loose change?Sep 08 01:03
msb_That flight was diverted into the war zone.  An air traffic controller saw Ukrainian air force jet fighters up there with it and tweeted about it and was interviewed.  Sep 08 01:05
__martin__gn folksSep 08 01:05
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msb_MinceR: The 911 videos linked here have much more information than the early "loose change" video:   http://cosmicpenguin.com/#911Sep 08 01:09
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-cosmicpenguin.com | Human Society That Works For EveryoneSep 08 01:09
MinceRbecause the only problem with loose change was that it was early, right?Sep 08 01:11
msb_I don't even remember anything about it.  But the ones here are very good: http://cosmicpenguin.com/#911Sep 08 01:12
msb_MinceR: But what you seem to be implying is correct.  911 was a false-flag operation designed to justify the US destruction of many middle-east nations, and the MH17 shootdown was a false-flag operation designed to justify US economic (and maybe other) attacks against Russia.Sep 08 01:14
msb_Various people on the ground also saw the jet fighters approaching MH17, and were interviewed about it.  The sightings of the fighters, the holes in the metal from both directions, the diversion of the flight into the war zone, all prove that the Nazi-Ukrainians shot down MH17.  Then Obama and the US govt/corporate controlled news all made a big storm about it being done by Russia or the people it's supporting.Sep 08 01:19
TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     List Of 10 Funny Linux CommandsSep 08 01:26
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TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     Real Linux Coming to TabletsSep 08 01:30
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-fossforce.com | Real Linux Coming to Tablets | FOSS ForceSep 08 01:30
TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     Munich now a major contributor to open sourceSep 08 01:30
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-joinup.ec.europa.eu | Munich now a major contributor to open source | JoinupSep 08 01:30
TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     Nvidia Releases Updated Linux Drivers for theSep 08 01:30
TweetTuxMachines                 Old GeForce 8 and 9 SeriesSep 08 01:30
TweetTuxMachines                 http://t.co/pWFFHDTt9W (news.softpedia.com)Sep 08 01:30
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-news.softpedia.com | Nvidia Releases Updated Linux Drivers for the Old GeForce 8 and 9 Series - SoftpediaSep 08 01:30
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TweetTuxMachines                 and Latest Nvidia DriversSep 08 01:35
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-news.softpedia.com | OpenELEC 6.0 Beta 5 Now Uses Linux Kernel 4.1 and Latest Nvidia Drivers - SoftpediaSep 08 01:35
TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     Librem 13 Free Software Laptop Nears FundingSep 08 01:35
TweetTuxMachines                 Goals, After Self-FundingSep 08 01:35
TweetTuxMachines                 http://t.co/pkYGGbM30u (www.phoronix.com)Sep 08 01:35
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.phoronix.com | Librem 13 Free Software Laptop Nears Funding Goals, After Self-Funding - PhoronixSep 08 01:35
TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     The Solus OS Fundraiser Deemed a Success,Sep 08 01:35
TweetTuxMachines                 Project Still Needs Your HelpSep 08 01:35
TweetTuxMachines                 http://t.co/EoTscDNqah (linux.softpedia.com)Sep 08 01:35
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TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     Avnet and Red Hat to bring open source tech toSep 08 01:58
TweetTuxMachines                 Netherlands http://t.co/ha2WwMvLTzSep 08 01:58
TweetTuxMachines                 (www.channelnomics.eu)Sep 08 01:58
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.channelnomics.eu | Avnet and Red Hat to bring open source tech to Netherlands - from Channelnomics.euSep 08 01:58
TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     List Of 10 Funny Linux CommandsSep 08 01:58
TweetTuxMachines                 http://t.co/8FT8ixtzDa (www.unixmen.com)Sep 08 01:58
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.unixmen.com | List Of 10 Funny Linux Commands | UnixmenSep 08 01:58
TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     Canonical Shows X Apps Running Under Mir andSep 08 01:58
TweetTuxMachines                 Unity 8 - Video http://t.co/qh00Q6dHbTSep 08 01:58
TweetTuxMachines                 (linux.softpedia.com)Sep 08 01:58
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TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     Red Hat Receives Consensus Recommendation ofSep 08 01:58
TweetTuxMachines                 “Buy” from Brokerages (NYSE:RHT) Sep 08 01:58
TweetTuxMachines                 http://t.co/VhMHmERawt (www.watchlistnews.com)Sep 08 01:58
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msb_4000x4000 resolution picture of metal plate with holes from both sides:  http://www.theunhivedmind.com/wordpress3/wp-content/uploads/2014/07/flightmh17370giant.jpgSep 08 02:04
msb_Sorry, 4418x2944Sep 08 02:06
MinceRhttp://www.stopfake.org/en/mh17-anniversary-in-russia-conspiracy-theories-on-downed-plane-still-find-believers/Sep 08 02:08
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.stopfake.org | MH17 anniversary: In Russia, conspiracy theories on downed plane still find believers [ http://ur1.ca/npigf ]Sep 08 02:08
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MinceRhttp://www.stopfake.org/en/su-25-mh17-and-the-problems-with-keeping-a-story-straight/Sep 08 02:14
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.stopfake.org | SU-25, MH17 and the Problems with Keeping a Story Straight [ http://ur1.ca/npijd ]Sep 08 02:14
msb_MinceR: That article uses the word "conspiracy" or "conspiracy theory" eight times, but it does not even mention the holes from both sides and the diversion of the plane into the war zone.  It dismisses the ground observers and the air traffic controller who saw the Ukrainian jet fighters near the airliner as "hoaxes", even though both were interviewed!Sep 08 02:14
MinceRwell, if someone was interviewed, they surely told the truth and it's not possible for them to be wrongSep 08 02:14
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msb_That site gets part of its funding from the "National Endowment for Democracy"  Here's the story on them:  http://www.thirdworldtraveler.com/Blum/TrojanHorse_RS.htmlSep 08 02:18
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.thirdworldtraveler.com | Trojan Horse: The National Endowment for Democracy [ http://ur1.ca/npikx ]Sep 08 02:18
msb_MinceR: Why do you keep citing these CIA-based websites?  Where do you get them from?Sep 08 02:19
MinceRhttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/RT_%28TV_network%29Sep 08 02:20
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-en.wikipedia.org | RT (TV network) - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia [ http://ur1.ca/npilg ]Sep 08 02:20
MinceR>Russian state-fundedSep 08 02:20
msb_But the question is -- who is telling the truth?Sep 08 02:20
MinceRhttp://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Globalresearch.caSep 08 02:21
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-rationalwiki.org | Globalresearch.ca - RationalWiki [ http://ur1.ca/jze6b ]Sep 08 02:21
MinceRindeed, who is telling the truth?Sep 08 02:22
MinceRhttp://www.politico.eu/article/russias-information-warfare/Sep 08 02:22
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.politico.eu | Russia’s information warfare – POLITICO [ http://ur1.ca/npim7 ]Sep 08 02:22
msb_Everything in here is anti-Russia:  http://www.stopfake.org/en/category/opinions/Sep 08 02:23
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.stopfake.org | Opinions [ http://ur1.ca/npiml ]Sep 08 02:23
MinceRreality apparently has an anti-russian biasSep 08 02:24
MinceRin addition to its liberal biasSep 08 02:24
MinceRhow inconvenient to putin's shills...Sep 08 02:24
msb_The politico article screams that RT lies but provides NO examples!Sep 08 02:25
msb_MinceR: Again I ask you:  Where do you get these US government based sites?  Are they paying you, as you accused me?Sep 08 02:26
MinceRwhat makes you think these sites are "US government based"?Sep 08 02:26
msb_Stop-fake is funded by the NED which is the US govt.Sep 08 02:27
msb_MinceR: If you claim that RT is lying, please tell us some of its lies.Sep 08 02:28
MinceRi'm sure you're well aware of its liesSep 08 02:28
msb_No, I haven't noticed any.  Please tell us.Sep 08 02:29
MinceRthe NED is one of the funders of stop-fake. what about the others?Sep 08 02:29
MinceRwhat about the other sites?Sep 08 02:29
msb_Why does stop-fake have no articles about the Nazi Maidan coup?Sep 08 02:30
MinceRactually, you've already linked a lie from RT in the last 24 hoursSep 08 02:30
MinceR191459 -TechrightsBot-tr:#techrights- www.rt.com | ‘Ukraine situation depends on its people’s patience, not on Russia’ – Putin — RT Russian politics  [ Sep 08 02:30
MinceR          http://ur1.ca/npcty ]Sep 08 02:30
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.rt.com | ‘Ukraine situation depends on its people’s patience, not on Russia’ – Putin — RT Russian politicsSep 08 02:30
msb_What other sites?  Politico?  It gives no evidence to support its claims.Sep 08 02:30
MinceRwhat evidence does RT or global"research" present?Sep 08 02:31
msb_MinceR: How is that a lie?Sep 08 02:31
MinceRukraine is primarily threatened by russia; part of ukraine is under military occupation by russiaSep 08 02:31
MinceRthey're clearly outgunnedSep 08 02:31
MinceRthat's not a matter of "patience", that's a matter of russian aggression.Sep 08 02:32
msb_According to you.  But the Nazi coup was done by the US with 5 BILLION dollars and two Nazi organizations.Sep 08 02:32
msb_Before that, everything was peaceful between Ukraine and Russia.Sep 08 02:32
msb_MinceR: Is your tactic to try to make us forget about how the conflict started?Sep 08 02:33
MinceRhttp://www.diplomaatia.ee/en/article/the-challenge-of-russias-anti-western-information-warfare/Sep 08 02:33
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.diplomaatia.ee | Diplomaatia – The Challenge of Russia’s Anti-Western Information Warfare [ http://ur1.ca/npir8 ]Sep 08 02:33
MinceRmsb_: is it your tactic to repeat putin's lies until we believe them?Sep 08 02:34
MinceRthe conflict exists because ukraine behaved as a sovereign state (which we were told it was) and took steps toward joining the EU and the NATOSep 08 02:34
msb_MinceR: STOP LYING ABOUT ME!  If you claim I have repeated a lie of Putin, then quote me.Sep 08 02:34
MinceRrussia considers ukraine to be a part of the russian empireSep 08 02:34
MinceRso they invaded ukraineSep 08 02:34
MinceR033233 < msb_> According to you.  But the Nazi coup was done by the US with 5 BILLION dollars and two Nazi organizations.Sep 08 02:35
MinceRhere's one of those liesSep 08 02:35
MinceR033016 < msb_> Why does stop-fake have no articles about the Nazi Maidan coup?Sep 08 02:35
MinceRhere's another of those liesSep 08 02:35
msb_But that's true, not a lie!Sep 08 02:35
MinceRmaybe in the dream world you live in, it's trueSep 08 02:35
MinceRin the real world, it's a lieSep 08 02:35
msb_Does it have any?  Please link them?Sep 08 02:35
MinceRit's not a nazi coupSep 08 02:35
MinceRunlike putin, who is a nazi, like orbanSep 08 02:36
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MinceRhttp://www.economist.com/news/europe/21646756-europe-belatedly-waking-up-russias-information-warfare-aux-armes-journalistesSep 08 02:38
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.economist.com | Aux armes, journalistes! | The Economist [ http://ur1.ca/npitk ]Sep 08 02:38
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msb__MinceR: Great.  Your last shitty site crashed firefox, X, and KDE3.Sep 08 02:40
MinceRlolSep 08 02:40
MinceR033818 < MinceR> http://www.economist.com/news/europe/21646756-europe-belatedly-waking-up-russias-information-warfare-aux-armes-journalistesSep 08 02:41
cubexyzthere's lots of very poor web sites Sep 08 02:42
MinceRand msb__ is in the habit of linking them hereSep 08 02:42
msb__diplomafia doesn't give any info about itself, but the article says " the disinformation campaign that Russia launched, first to discredit the Ukrainian revolution "Sep 08 02:43
MinceRdoes the catchy name come from the official guidebook to russian shills?Sep 08 02:43
MinceRdoes the instruction to power cycle your computer and blame a link you do not agree with come from there?Sep 08 02:44
msb__The "Ukrainian revolution" was a coup that overthrew a democratically elected government, with the aid of FIVE BILLION DOLLARS from the US and the Nazi groups Svoboda and Right Sector.Sep 08 02:44
MinceRthere were plenty of groups there you're ignoringSep 08 02:44
cubexyztechnically poor and browser unfriendlySep 08 02:44
MinceRand of course if the usa did not aid them but only supported them in words, you'd attack them for that insteadSep 08 02:45
MinceRthere's nothing the usa could conceivably do that does not incite your hatredSep 08 02:45
msb__The US State Department gave them FIVE BILLION DOLLARS.Sep 08 02:45
MinceRit was apparently not enoughSep 08 02:45
MinceRas the russians still ran ukraine over and it probably won't recoverSep 08 02:46
msb__What do you mean?  The US/Nazi coup succeeded.Sep 08 02:46
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msb__The russians did not "run over": Ukraine.  They annexed a very small part of it that voted 80% to join Russia.Sep 08 02:47
MinceRat gunpointSep 08 02:47
MinceRand the government lost control of much of the area, afaikSep 08 02:47
MinceRand they're in crisisSep 08 02:47
msb__Were there russian guns in the polling places?  If so, prove it.Sep 08 02:48
MinceRirrelevant, they didn't have to be in the polling placesSep 08 02:48
MinceRthe presence of the russian military was obvious either waySep 08 02:48
msb__They lost control because those people did not want to live under a Nazi government.Sep 08 02:48
msb__Then how could they control the vote?Sep 08 02:48
MinceRby implied or expressed threatsSep 08 02:48
MinceRputler even threatened with nukeSep 08 02:49
MinceRsSep 08 02:49
msb__It was a secret ballot.  How could the russians control it?Sep 08 02:49
MinceRby promising punishment for an unfavorable resultSep 08 02:49
MinceRwhen did the russians care about the fate of individual ukrainians?Sep 08 02:49
msb__but he didn't do thatSep 08 02:49
MinceRwhen they exterminated 2.5~7.5 million of them?Sep 08 02:50
MinceRor at some other point?Sep 08 02:50
msb__some 750,000 refugees from ukraine came to russia after the coup!Sep 08 02:50
MinceRgood for themSep 08 02:50
msb__80 years ago again!Sep 08 02:50
MinceRthey can be sure to be oppressed by their favorite dictator, thenSep 08 02:50
MinceRwhat did russia learn since 80 years ago?Sep 08 02:50
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msb__They learned that the US was not their friend, as it pretended to be during WW2.  So now they are making economic alliances with BRICS and related nations.Sep 08 02:52
MinceRnothing else.Sep 08 02:53
MinceRand yet you pretend they've totally changedSep 08 02:53
MinceRyou pretend they're freeSep 08 02:53
MinceRyou pretend they're democraticSep 08 02:53
MinceRyou pretend they're not trying to take over the globeSep 08 02:53
msb__MinceR: Please link to where Putin threatened Ukraine with nukes or threatened to punish Crimea for an unfavorable vote.Sep 08 02:53
MinceR034857 < MinceR> by implied or expressed threatsSep 08 02:54
MinceRdo you know what the word "implied" means?Sep 08 02:54
MinceRcan you find a dictionary on your own or should i google it for you?Sep 08 02:54
msb__It means it's only in your warped mind and you can't give any proof.  As usual.Sep 08 02:54
MinceRputler should really make sure their shills speak englishSep 08 02:54
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msb__I don't pretend Russia is democratic or free.  But it has made no attempt to take over the globe for some 60 years, whereas the US has destroyed half a dozen nations and murdered 2 million people in the last decade and a half.Sep 08 02:56
MinceRwhat's the annexation of parts of ukraine, georgia, etc. then?Sep 08 02:56
MinceRwhat's the creation of puppet regimes in belarus and ukraine, then?Sep 08 02:57
msb__MinceR: Crimea wanted to be annexed.Sep 08 02:57
MinceRbullshitSep 08 02:57
MinceRwhat's the threats to take over the baltic states, poland, etc.?Sep 08 02:57
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msb__Just like the 750,000 ukrainians who fled to russia.Sep 08 02:57
MinceRthose were probably russians, if they existed at allSep 08 02:58
MinceRhttp://www.stopfake.org/en/none-of-eight-myths-in-putin-s-crimea-is-ours-ideology-stands-up-to-close-examination-popov-says/Sep 08 02:59
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.stopfake.org | None of Eight Myths in Putin’s ‘Crimea is Ours’ Ideology Stands Up to Close Examination, Popov Says [ http://ur1.ca/npj2f ]Sep 08 02:59
msb__MinceR: It's pointless to talk with you.  You just make stuff up.  It's a shame, because you are intelligent.  But you are either obsessed or paid off.Sep 08 02:59
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MinceRmsb__: it's pointless to try and reason with you because you have a religious belief in certain obvious falsehoods and some questionable loyalties.Sep 08 03:00
MinceRyou try to justify all the atrocities of putin's russia on the basis of the bugbear of the usaSep 08 03:00
MinceRyou hold all human rights as expendable in the service of destroying the usaSep 08 03:01
msb__Prove it by quoting me.Sep 08 03:01
msb__That article says that "The Crimean people have freely voted to rejoin Russia" and "The Euro-Maidan was fascist" are both myths.  But it leaves proof of those claims to a non-existent "later article":.Sep 08 03:02
MinceRhttp://euromaidanpress.com/2015/08/27/popov-demolishes-third-krymnash-myth-that-crimean-people-freely-expressed-their-will/Sep 08 03:03
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-euromaidanpress.com | Popov demolishes third ‘KrymNash’ myth – that Crimean people freely expressed their will -- EUROMAIDAN PRESSEuromaidan Press | [ http://ur1.ca/npj4c ]Sep 08 03:03
MinceRhttp://www.eurasiareview.com/05092015-popov-demolishes-krymnash-myth-of-fascist-euro-maidan-oped/Sep 08 03:05
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.eurasiareview.com | Popov Demolishes Krymnash Myth Of ‘Fascist Euro-Maidan’ – OpEd | Eurasia Review [ http://ur1.ca/npj52 ]Sep 08 03:05
MinceRreally, web search engines aren't that hard to useSep 08 03:05
msb__THe article about the vote says it was invalid because it wasn't allowed by Ukrainian laws.  That's a bullshit excuse, and does not say that the russians threatened the voters in any way.Sep 08 03:07
MinceRwhose constitution should govern referenda?Sep 08 03:08
msb__Voting is voting.  It should always be considered valid.Sep 08 03:08
MinceReven if the voting is in elections where the Party decides who may run?Sep 08 03:08
MinceR>When the UN General Assembly voted on the matter, 100 countries said it was not a legitimate referendum. Only 11 did, “including Russia.”Sep 08 03:09
MinceRwho observed this alleged "referendum"?Sep 08 03:10
MinceR>Moreover, the radical right was a marginal force in the Maidan and afterwards. The Svoboda party received only ten percent of the vote, and the post-Maidan Ukrainian government had a Jewish deputy prime minister, an Armenian interior minister and two Russian ministers. “It is possible to call such a government facscist and nazi?”Sep 08 03:10
msb__you offered no proof that it was not a secret ballotSep 08 03:10
MinceRtry to shift the burden of proof?Sep 08 03:11
MinceRtrying to shift the burden of proof?Sep 08 03:11
MinceRwho observed this alleged "referendum"?Sep 08 03:11
MinceRhttp://www.forbes.com/sites/paulroderickgregory/2014/05/05/putins-human-rights-council-accidentally-posts-real-crimean-election-results-only-15-voted-for-annexation/Sep 08 03:14
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.forbes.com | Putin's 'Human Rights Council' Accidentally Posts Real Crimean Election Results [ http://ur1.ca/npj8d ]Sep 08 03:14
MinceRhttp://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2014/mar/14/crimean-referendum-illegal-international-lawSep 08 03:18
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.theguardian.com | Why the Crimean referendum is illegal | Lea Brilmayer | Comment is free | The Guardian [ http://ur1.ca/npja7 ]Sep 08 03:18
MinceRby the way, how's the referendum on the secession of Chechnya going?Sep 08 03:19
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MinceRhttp://www.rferl.org/content/putin-crimea-annexation-vote-secret/26891350.htmlSep 08 03:21
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.rferl.org | Putin Says Crimeans Were Surveyed Before Annexation Vote [ http://ur1.ca/npjb8 ]Sep 08 03:21
MinceR>Gunmen were in evidence at polling stations and the atmosphere of intimidation was thick at the time.Sep 08 03:21
MinceRmakes me wonder if that 30% was a result of gunmen deciding whom to let to the polling stations...Sep 08 03:21
msb__rferl is the US government.Sep 08 03:22
MinceRRT is the russian government.Sep 08 03:22
MinceRyour point?Sep 08 03:22
msb__Go kill yourself.  I'm done with you.Sep 08 03:23
MinceRthat's an interesting way to admit defeatSep 08 03:23
MinceRalso classySep 08 03:23
MinceRlike putlerSep 08 03:24
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DaemonFCHad a busy day today. Swimming at the lake, hiking, ATV riding.Sep 08 05:18
DaemonFCI got all of the stuff I meant to be doing this summer done on the last day. :PSep 08 05:18
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msb__MinceR: I'm going to make a modified statement about why I'm done with you.  A functional debate requires either that both sides be collegial or that the audience think critically and tells the two sides when they've made their claims and when they're full of it.  Neither of these conditions is true here.  You are not collegial.  You either fire a rapid string of lies and refuse to prove any of them, or you reference CIA propaganda Sep 08 07:47
msb__websites.  Sep 08 07:47
msb__MinceR: cubexyz is not an audience -- he's only interested in old software and computers.  xrevan86 backs me  up, but isn't interested in talking about  politics.  Roy refuses to access evidence on politics.  There are no other participants here.Sep 08 07:50
msb__MinceR: It's sometimes useful to me to argue with you, for example today I found all the evidence about the Ukrainian-Nazi shootdown of MH17, which I'll put on my website.  But convincing you is impossible.  You are neither rational nor fair.  In the political area, you're either a psychic vampire or a paid shill.Sep 08 07:52
msb__MinceR: If you ever talked politics with a critically-thinking audience, you'd be stomped flat in minutes.  So, bye-bye.  Psychic vampires (a metaphorical term) can only suck energy from people who participate with them, and I won't anymore.  You'll probably go on spewing lies about me, but with no critical audience here, I don't care.Sep 08 07:57
msb__MinceR: If you do it a lot, I'll put a note about you on my website.  I already have one about a full-blown psychopath who attacked me and others in Usenet.Sep 08 07:58
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.itworld.com | Chromebooks: Asus Flip or Acer 11.6 for Linux? | ITworldSep 08 09:57
TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     Latest Manjaro Linux Update Brings Linux KernelSep 08 09:57
TweetTuxMachines                 4.2, MATE 1.10, and Nvidia 355.11Sep 08 09:57
TweetTuxMachines                 http://t.co/sVFmbpYYti (news.softpedia.com)Sep 08 09:57
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-news.softpedia.com | Latest Manjaro Linux Update Brings Linux Kernel 4.2, MATE 1.10, and Nvidia 355.11 - SoftpediaSep 08 09:57
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-news.softpedia.com | Manjaro Linux's Octopi 0.8 Graphical Package Manager Is Almost Ready - SoftpediaSep 08 09:57
TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     The Eagerly Awaited Raspberry Pi DisplaySep 08 09:57
TweetTuxMachines                 https://t.co/RIRf76qgFK (www.raspberrypi.org)Sep 08 09:57
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.raspberrypi.org | The Eagerly Awaited Raspberry Pi Display - Raspberry PiSep 08 09:57
TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     Gorgeous Arch Linux-Based Apricity OS Gets NewSep 08 10:05
TweetTuxMachines                 Beta with Google Chrome 45, MoreSep 08 10:05
TweetTuxMachines                 http://t.co/JIsNTl0t9t (news.softpedia.com)Sep 08 10:05
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-news.softpedia.com | Gorgeous Arch Linux-Based Apricity OS Gets New Beta with Google Chrome 45, More - SoftpediaSep 08 10:05
TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     Linux AIO Now Offers ISO Images with the ZorinSep 08 10:05
TweetTuxMachines                 OS's Core and Lite EditionsSep 08 10:05
TweetTuxMachines                 http://t.co/veLctMqzae (news.softpedia.com)Sep 08 10:05
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-news.softpedia.com | Linux AIO Now Offers ISO Images with the Zorin OS's Core and Lite Editions - SoftpediaSep 08 10:05
TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     Erle-Spider, an Ubuntu-based drone with sixSep 08 10:07
TweetTuxMachines retweeted by    legs, launches on IndiegogoSep 08 10:07
TweetTuxMachines @retroDoomer    http://t.co/Z6IaIMnebw (arstechnica.co.uk)Sep 08 10:07
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-arstechnica.co.uk | Erle-Spider, an Ubuntu-based drone with six legs, launches on Indiegogo | Ars Technica UKSep 08 10:07
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*TweetTuxMachines @retroDoomer favourited 'Erle-Spider, an Ubuntu-based drone with six legs, launches...'Sep 08 10:07
TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     Xiaomi 'Macbook Pro killer' laptop releaseSep 08 10:15
TweetTuxMachines retweeted by    date, specs news: Device will run on LinuxSep 08 10:15
TweetTuxMachines @retroDoomer    http://t.co/aT09IVNuWz (www.mnrdaily.com)Sep 08 10:16
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.mnrdaily.com | Xiaomi 'Macbook Pro killer' laptop release date, specs news: Device will run on LinuxSep 08 10:16
TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     Vendetta Online 1.8.349 3D Space Combat GameSep 08 10:16
TweetTuxMachines                 Updates the Voice Chat SystemSep 08 10:16
TweetTuxMachines                 http://t.co/rL1lgbrqMD (news.softpedia.com)Sep 08 10:16
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-news.softpedia.com | Vendetta Online 1.8.349 3D Space Combat Game Updates the Voice Chat System - SoftpediaSep 08 10:16
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TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     Unvanquished 0.43 FPS Game Adds Map Updates,Sep 08 10:26
TweetTuxMachines                 Fixes the "Red Screen" BugSep 08 10:26
TweetTuxMachines                 http://t.co/XY1hHArArr (news.softpedia.com)Sep 08 10:26
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-news.softpedia.com | Unvanquished 0.43 FPS Game Adds Map Updates, Fixes the "Red Screen" Bug - SoftpediaSep 08 10:26
TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     The Intel Changes For Linux 4.3Sep 08 10:26
TweetTuxMachines                 http://t.co/3wTtZn2qlO (www.phoronix.com)Sep 08 10:26
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.phoronix.com | The Intel Changes For Linux 4.3 - PhoronixSep 08 10:26
cubexyzit's an interestin thing...Sep 08 10:26
cubexyzas people have tried to make computers easier to use there's another effect that happensSep 08 10:27
cubexyzthe users get dumberSep 08 10:27
*TweetTuxMachines @techmuser favourited 'The Intel Changes For Linux 4.3 http://t.co/3wTtZn2qlO'Sep 08 10:30
TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     Intel and Linux http://t.co/YTouVgV0lSSep 08 10:31
TweetTuxMachines                 (www.phoronix.com) http://t.co/SiYlVnbG7lSep 08 10:31
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.phoronix.com | L3 Cache Partitioning Coming For The Intel DRM Driver - PhoronixSep 08 10:31
TweetTuxMachines                 (www.phoronix.com)Sep 08 10:31
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.phoronix.com | Intel's 3.0 X.Org Driver Has Now Been In Development For Two Years - PhoronixSep 08 10:31
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TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     Company of Heroes 2 DLCs Arrive from FeralSep 08 10:31
TweetTuxMachines                 Interactive http://t.co/HnOOVtUJw8Sep 08 10:31
TweetTuxMachines                 (news.softpedia.com)Sep 08 10:31
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-news.softpedia.com | Company of Heroes 2 DLCs Arrive from Feral Interactive - SoftpediaSep 08 10:31
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TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     elementary OS 0.3.1 Is Still Beautiful, butSep 08 10:40
TweetTuxMachines                 It's No Longer Exciting http://t.co/zET4o06oB1Sep 08 10:40
TweetTuxMachines                 (news.softpedia.com)Sep 08 10:40
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-news.softpedia.com | elementary OS 0.3.1 Is Still Beautiful, but It's No Longer Exciting - SoftpediaSep 08 10:40
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TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     XFS Lands Many Fixes For The Linux 4.3 KernelSep 08 10:40
TweetTuxMachines                 http://t.co/xWXHQJeNau (www.phoronix.com)Sep 08 10:40
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.phoronix.com | XFS Lands Many Fixes For The Linux 4.3 Kernel - PhoronixSep 08 10:40
TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     Three Years Later, FBDEV Drivers Still ActiveSep 08 10:40
TweetTuxMachines                 In The Linux Kernel http://t.co/iHjfdkUhbGSep 08 10:40
TweetTuxMachines                 (www.phoronix.com)Sep 08 10:40
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.phoronix.com | Three Years Later, FBDEV Drivers Still Active In The Linux Kernel - PhoronixSep 08 10:40
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TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     Linux AIO Now Offers ISO Images with the ZorinSep 08 10:40
TweetTuxMachines                 OS's Core and Lite EditionsSep 08 10:40
TweetTuxMachines                 http://t.co/QSBb3zpmzV (www.tuxmachines.org)Sep 08 10:40
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Linux AIO Now Offers ISO Images with the Zorin OS's Core and Lite Editions | Tux MachinesSep 08 10:40
TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     Intel and Linux http://t.co/zOUMdyeXDLSep 08 10:40
TweetTuxMachines                 (www.tuxmachines.org)Sep 08 10:40
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Intel and Linux | Tux MachinesSep 08 10:40
TweetTuxMachines........................................  http://ur1.ca/npo12Sep 08 10:40
TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     elementary OS 0.3.1 Is Still Beautiful, butSep 08 10:40
TweetTuxMachines                 It's No Longer Exciting http://t.co/dJ9dO5RWLYSep 08 10:40
TweetTuxMachines                 (www.tuxmachines.org)Sep 08 10:41
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | elementary OS 0.3.1 Is Still Beautiful, but It's No Longer Exciting | Tux MachinesSep 08 10:41
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TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     Apple's iPhone loses top spot to Android inSep 08 10:41
TweetTuxMachines                 Australia http://t.co/f6DFpSO1FkSep 08 10:41
TweetTuxMachines                 (www.tuxmachines.org)Sep 08 10:41
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Apple's iPhone loses top spot to Android in Australia | Tux MachinesSep 08 10:41
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cubexyzhaha, this is coolSep 08 10:53
cubexyzhttp://www.maxhost.org/other/openbsd-running-icecat-g1.pngSep 08 10:53
cubexyzhttp://www.maxhost.org/other/openbsd-running-kde.3.4.2-stuff.pngSep 08 11:00
TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     XFS Lands Many Fixes For The Linux 4.3 KernelSep 08 11:28
TweetTuxMachines                 http://t.co/gb5t9mfTXE (www.tuxmachines.org)Sep 08 11:28
TweetTuxMachines........................................  http://ur1.ca/npokySep 08 11:28
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | XFS Lands Many Fixes For The Linux 4.3 Kernel | Tux MachinesSep 08 11:28
*TweetTuxMachines @ApricityOS followed @tuxmachinesSep 08 11:28
msb__cubexyz: Looks much better with the cat!Sep 08 11:45
TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     Links 8/9/2015: Peppermint 6, elementary OSSep 08 11:53
TweetTuxMachines                 0.3.1Sep 08 11:53
TweetTuxMachines                  http://t.co/3kjfkbxREG (techrights.org)Sep 08 11:53
TweetTuxMachines........................................  http://ur1.ca/npovlSep 08 11:53
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Links 8/9/2015: Peppermint 6, elementary OS 0.3.1 | TechrightsSep 08 11:54
TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     Leftovers: Gaming http://t.co/8ceSsOuUVxSep 08 11:54
TweetTuxMachines                 (www.tuxmachines.org)Sep 08 11:54
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Leftovers: Gaming | Tux MachinesSep 08 11:54
TweetTuxMachines........................................  http://ur1.ca/npovmSep 08 11:54
TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     today's howtos http://t.co/8zhVug9SjASep 08 11:54
TweetTuxMachines                 (www.tuxmachines.org)Sep 08 11:54
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | today's howtos | Tux MachinesSep 08 11:54
TweetTuxMachines........................................  http://ur1.ca/npovnSep 08 11:54
TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     Leftovers: Ubuntu http://t.co/yNZtCUPJDPSep 08 11:54
TweetTuxMachines                 (www.tuxmachines.org)Sep 08 11:54
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Leftovers: Ubuntu | Tux MachinesSep 08 11:54
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cubexyza pity there's no modern firefox-g1Sep 08 12:43
TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     Desktop Leftovers http://t.co/Ktvmd6ddUkSep 08 13:06
TweetTuxMachines                 (www.tuxmachines.org)Sep 08 13:06
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Desktop Leftovers | Tux MachinesSep 08 13:06
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TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     today's leftovers http://t.co/UmX4Mn0a1JSep 08 13:06
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | today's leftovers | Tux MachinesSep 08 13:06
TweetTuxMachines........................................  http://ur1.ca/nppplSep 08 13:06
TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     Today in Techrights http://t.co/4lYRm1Bl6ESep 08 13:07
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Today in Techrights | Tux MachinesSep 08 13:07
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MinceRwhat msb__ did is known as https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Psychological_projectionSep 08 13:32
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-en.wikipedia.org | Psychological projection - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia [ http://ur1.ca/npq1z ]Sep 08 13:32
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MinceRhttp://www.pleated-jeans.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/08/red1-13.jpgSep 08 14:58
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TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     Today in Techrights http://t.co/pJBG3VEH5USep 08 17:09
TweetTuxMachines                 (www.tuxmachines.org)Sep 08 17:09
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Today in Techrights | Tux MachinesSep 08 17:09
TweetTuxMachines........................................  http://ur1.ca/npsuqSep 08 17:09
msb__Interesting!  In this article from Radio Free Europe (i.e., the CIA) via MinceR, it says that Putin conducted an opinion survey in Crimea that found that 75% of the people wanted Crimea joined to Russia.  The article says, "Gunmen were in evidence at polling stations and the atmosphere of intimidation was thick at the time" but it gives NO source for this claim, and it is well-known that the CIA lies copiously, and has done since the Sep 08 17:10
msb__end of WW2.  So, given what can be trusted from the article, it proves that the Crimeans _did_ want to (re-)join Russia.Sep 08 17:10
MinceRcherry-pickingSep 08 17:11
msb__http://www.rferl.org/content/putin-crimea-annexation-vote-secret/26891350.htmlSep 08 17:11
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.rferl.org | Putin Says Crimeans Were Surveyed Before Annexation Vote [ http://ur1.ca/npjb8 ]Sep 08 17:11
MinceRalso, note the words "putin says"Sep 08 17:11
MinceRoh wait, to msb__ that means "the perfect truth that was revealed is as follows"Sep 08 17:11
MinceRputin says russia is an evil nazi empireSep 08 17:12
msb__Note the words "The CIA says".Sep 08 17:12
MinceRhttp://www.economist.com/blogs/easternapproaches/2014/03/crimea-votes-secedeSep 08 17:12
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.economist.com | Crimea votes to secede: Ukraine's amputation | The Economist [ http://ur1.ca/npswm ]Sep 08 17:12
msb__The CIA's title "Putin Says Crimeans Were Surveyed Before Annexation Vote" is a declaration against interest.  If it's not true, why would the CIA mention it.  And why would it quote Putin on the results of his opinion survey.Sep 08 17:16
msb__The very first comment to the Economist article accurately calls it "blatant one sided propaganda".Sep 08 17:23
MinceRwhich accurately describes your utterancesSep 08 17:26
TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     Links 8/9/2015: Peppermint 6, elementary OSSep 08 17:28
TweetTuxMachines retweeted by    0.3.1Sep 08 17:28
TweetTuxMachines @schestowitz     http://t.co/3kjfkbxREG (techrights.org)Sep 08 17:28
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Links 8/9/2015: Peppermint 6, elementary OS 0.3.1 | TechrightsSep 08 17:28
TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     How Debian Is Trying to Shut Down the CIA andSep 08 17:28
TweetTuxMachines                 Make Software Trustworthy AgainSep 08 17:28
TweetTuxMachines                 http://t.co/z2N7fYRxQX (motherboard.vice.com)Sep 08 17:28
TweetTuxMachines                 good article...Sep 08 17:28
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-motherboard.vice.com | How Debian Is Trying to Shut Down the CIA and Make Software Trustworthy Again | MotherboardSep 08 17:28
TweetTuxMachines........................................  http://ur1.ca/npt3gSep 08 17:28
TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     Amazon said to be readying $50 6-inch tabletSep 08 17:28
TweetTuxMachines                 for holidays http://t.co/flQTdyS5OoSep 08 17:28
TweetTuxMachines                 (www.cnet.com)Sep 08 17:28
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.cnet.com | Amazon said to be readying $50 6-inch tablet for holidays - CNETSep 08 17:28
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TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     Today in Techrights http://t.co/pJBG3VEH5USep 08 17:30
TweetTuxMachines retweeted by    (www.tuxmachines.org)Sep 08 17:30
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Today in Techrights | Tux MachinesSep 08 17:30
TweetTuxMachines @schestowitz    Sep 08 17:30
TweetTuxMachines........................................  http://ur1.ca/npt4aSep 08 17:30
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msb__schestowitz: That article on reproducible compilation _is_ excellent.  But unless Debian gets rid of systemd there's still the chance of a subtle backdoor being hidden in the source code, to be triggered by a stack overflow, etc.Sep 08 17:36
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MinceR180503 < MinceR> yeah, rightSep 08 17:37
MinceR180524 < MinceR> the distro that gave up all its principles to force systemd on its users cares about trustworthy softwareSep 08 17:37
schestowitz>>> http://www.i-programmer.info/news/99-professional/8963-steve-wozniak-on-education-engineering-a-apple.htmlSep 08 17:37
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.i-programmer.info | Steve Wozniak On Education, Engineering & Apple [ http://ur1.ca/npnpn ]Sep 08 17:37
schestowitz>>> >>Sep 08 17:37
schestowitz>> > Woz doesn't talk about FOSS in education, does he?Sep 08 17:37
schestowitz> Not directly.  He does say this:Sep 08 17:37
schestowitz>Sep 08 17:37
schestowitz>Sep 08 17:37
schestowitz> "Steve Jobs played no role at all in any of my designs of the Apple ISep 08 17:37
schestowitz> and Apple II computer and printer interfaces and serial interfaces andSep 08 17:37
schestowitz> floppy disks and stuff that I made to enhance the computers. "Sep 08 17:37
schestowitz> ...Sep 08 17:37
schestowitz> "The Apple II computer, by the way, was the only successful productSep 08 17:37
schestowitz> Apple had for its first 10 years, and it was all done, for my ownSep 08 17:37
schestowitz> reasons for myself, before Steve Jobs even knew it existed."Sep 08 17:37
schestowitz>Sep 08 17:37
schestowitz>Sep 08 17:37
schestowitz> And then it must be recalled separately that the Apple ][ came with bothSep 08 17:37
schestowitz> printed source code and full hardware schematics for the system.  So itSep 08 17:37
schestowitz> was both FOSS in that respect.Sep 08 17:37
schestowitz>Sep 08 17:37
schestowitz> Anecdotes: I rewrote part of the monitor ROM once and then got a friendSep 08 17:37
schestowitz> of a friend to burn it to an (E)EPROM suitable for use.  Others moddedSep 08 17:37
schestowitz> the keyboard.  Several made their own peripherals.  I made a pair ofSep 08 17:37
schestowitz> game joysticks by following someone else's instructions.  A friend didSep 08 17:37
schestowitz> the same and used it with some text editor that used it as what heSep 08 17:37
schestowitz> called a "mouse", a new concept then.Sep 08 17:37
schestowitz>Sep 08 17:37
schestowitz> Even some games of the day came with source code.  Read the splashSep 08 17:37
schestowitz> screen for Eamon:Sep 08 17:37
MericanShardsNo pastebin use here?Sep 08 17:37
schestowitz>Sep 08 17:37
schestowitz> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eamon_%28video_game%29Sep 08 17:37
schestowitz>Sep 08 17:37
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-en.wikipedia.org | Eamon (video game) - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia [ http://ur1.ca/npt7p ]Sep 08 17:37
schestowitz> "Non-commercial distribution welcomed"Sep 08 17:38
MericanShards"Noncommercial distribution without a license welcomed..."Sep 08 17:38
schestowitzyeahSep 08 17:39
schestowitzbut that's not AppleSep 08 17:39
schestowitzit's a friend recalling what Apple used to be and other companies used to allowSep 08 17:39
schestowitzbefore MS and Apple (among others) made proprietary and secret the normSep 08 17:39
MericanShardsI'm fine with proprietary software, as long as it has to compete fairly with open source.  Proprietary games are often excellent software products, and open source games often make me want to cry.Sep 08 17:42
MericanShardsHowever, both Autocad and BRL-Cad are excellent, though one is markedly more difficult to use.Sep 08 17:43
MinceRhave you tried xonotic?Sep 08 17:43
MericanShardsI prefer OpenArena, though I really do need to implement 'cookie crumbs' and 'cookie crumb following bots'Sep 08 17:43
MinceR:>Sep 08 17:44
MericanShardsI'm looking up XonoticSep 08 17:44
msb__The Apple ][ was very impressive, especially the extremely simple NTSC color encoding circuit that Woz invented.  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Steve_Wozniak    https://www.macstories.net/news/woz-putting-color-in-the-computer-was-one-of-the-biggest-things-apple-ever-did/ Sep 08 17:44
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-en.wikipedia.org | Steve Wozniak - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia [ http://ur1.ca/nptaj ]Sep 08 17:44
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.macstories.net | Woz: Putting Color In The Computer Was One Of The Biggest Things Apple Ever Did – MacStories [ http://ur1.ca/nptak ]Sep 08 17:44
MericanShardsNot really interested in Xonotic, I can get plenty of good FPS-es for reasonable or cheap.  One of the commercial freemium games for android was pretty fun.Sep 08 17:45
MericanShards(I dislike paying, but the clearance bin doesn't hurt that much, and I like plots... better writers).Sep 08 17:45
MericanShardsThough, if someone would finish this game engine, I WOULD KILL TO GET A GAME MADE WITH IT. https://github.com/xoyojank/nebula3Sep 08 17:46
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-github.com | xoyojank/nebula3 · GitHubSep 08 17:46
MericanShardsThe fact of the matter is that Games(and game engines) are outdated so quickly and require such a level of expertise that it's hard for open source to compete.Sep 08 17:47
MericanShards*opinionSep 08 17:48
MericanShardsAnyway, I joined this channel over software patents and the recent ruling.  I'm glad, but I really don't feel free enough to actually code yet, the impending 'legion of doom' terrifies me into only coding simple things, when I have much grander ideas.Sep 08 17:49
msb__RT has many non-Russian journalists highly respected in the US and the world, with their own shows: Max Keiser (with guest Gerald Celente), Larry King, Jesse Ventura, Tyrel Ventura.Sep 08 18:06
schestowitz[02:25] <msb_> The politico article screams that RT lies but provides NO examples!Sep 08 18:22
schestowitzJust caught up with this whole conversationSep 08 18:23
schestowitzwith msb__ still pushing the "9/11" lunacySep 08 18:23
schestowitzand then adding the latest spice from UkraineSep 08 18:23
schestowitzCiting some of the MOST RIDICULOUS flavoursSep 08 18:23
schestowitzlike the "CIA did it"Sep 08 18:23
schestowitzOr "jets did it'Sep 08 18:23
schestowitzRather than say, separatists rather than Russians did itSep 08 18:23
schestowitzor some sane 9/11 debate over whether it could be preventedSep 08 18:23
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schestowitzand whether there was a deliberate (as some claim) oversight, negligence, etc.Sep 08 18:24
schestowitzSo in that sense, msb__ helps the CIA propaganda Sep 08 18:24
schestowitzBecause he won't cite moderate voices, only those serving to distract from them, like the "truther" and "controlled demolition" crowSep 08 18:25
msb__schestowitz: These videos prove that the WTC was blown up with explosives.  But so far you refuse to view them.  http://cosmicpenguin.com/#911Sep 08 18:25
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-cosmicpenguin.com | Human Society That Works For EveryoneSep 08 18:25
schestowitzthere you go reinforcing what I saidSep 08 18:27
msb__As to MH17, here's the evidence that it was shot down by jet fighter planes:  http://www.anderweltonline.com/wissenschaft-und-technik/luftfahrt-2014/shocking-analysis-of-the-shooting-down-of-malaysian-mh17/Sep 08 18:27
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.anderweltonline.com | AnderweltOnline: Shocking Analysis of the ‘Shooting Down’ of Malaysian MH17 [ http://ur1.ca/jzepx ]Sep 08 18:27
msb__http://www.theunhivedmind.com/wordpress3/wp-content/uploads/2014/07/flightmh17370giant.jpgSep 08 18:27
msb__https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YFlGLqiDogASep 08 18:28
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msb__The idea that telling the actual truth "helps the CIA propaganda" is utter nonsense.Sep 08 18:29
msb__It sounds like something out of _1984_.Sep 08 18:30
schestowitzyou discredit legitimate criticsSep 08 18:31
msb__The term "moderate" is ridiculous when applied to something like 911 or MH17.  These things happened one way or the other.  There's no middle ground.Sep 08 18:31
schestowitzbut lumping with together with Kremlin disinfoSep 08 18:31
schestowitzand making them look like Russian agentsSep 08 18:31
msb__They aren't ridiculous if they are _wrong_.Sep 08 18:31
schestowitzlike those who would connect JFK assassination with alientsSep 08 18:31
schestowitz*aliensSep 08 18:31
msb__Standard straw-man fallacy.Sep 08 18:32
XRevan86straw-men?Sep 08 18:33
msb__They aren't legitimate if they are _wrong_.Sep 08 18:33
msb__XRevan86: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Straw_manSep 08 18:34
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-en.wikipedia.org | Straw man - Wikipedia, the free encyclopediaSep 08 18:34
XRevan86msb__: I seeSep 08 18:34
msb__It means attacking someone for a ridiculous argument (in this case JFK and aliens) that they never made.Sep 08 18:35
msb__schestowitz: Please read/view the 3 references I just gave for MH17.  They have nothing to do with "Kremlin disinfo".Sep 08 18:36
msb__schestowitz: And please view the videos linked here:   http://cosmicpenguin.com/#911   What are you afraid of?  Watching a movie can't hurt you.Sep 08 18:40
msb__schestowitz: Some people are so brainwashed by Microsoft that they are afraid to even look at Linux.  I don't think you want to be like that.Sep 08 18:41
schestowitz[17:36] <msb__> schestowitz: That article on reproducible compilation _is_ excellent.  But unless Debian gets rid of systemd there's still the chance of a subtle backdoor being hidden in the source code, to be triggered by a stack overflow, etc.Sep 08 18:44
schestowitzAny software poses such a riskSep 08 18:44
schestowitzthe thing that makes systemd unique is that it's far less mature and harder to replaceSep 08 18:44
schestowitzso it makes it very prevalent in mnay distrosSep 08 18:44
schestowitz!google nsa phoronix systemdSep 08 18:45
TechrightsBot-tr[1] - The NSA Is Looking At Systemd's KDBUS - Phoronix | https://www.phoronix.com/scan.php%3Fpage%3Dnews_item%26px%3DNSA-KDBUS-CredentialsSep 08 18:45
TechrightsBot-tr[2] - systemd - Phoronix | http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php%3Fpage%3Dsearch%26q%3DsystemdSep 08 18:45
TechrightsBot-tr[3] - The NSA Is Looking At Systemd's KDBUS - Phoronix Forums | http://www.phoronix.com/forums/forum/phoronix/general-discussion/810047-the-nsa-is-looking-at-systemd-s-kdbusSep 08 18:45
TechrightsBot-tr[4] - systemd Linux & Open-Source News - Phoronix | https://www.phoronix.com/scan.php%3Fpage%3Dnews_topic%26q%3DsystemdSep 08 18:45
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schestowitzhttps://joindiaspora.com/posts/6568136Sep 08 18:49
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: #Xiaomi 'Macbook Pro killer' laptop release date, specs news: Device will run on Linux http://www.mnrdaily.com/article/xiaomi.macbook.pro.killer.laptop.to.run.linux.to.be.released.in.2016/3763.htm #gnu #linux #chinaSep 08 18:49
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights--> www.mnrdaily.com | Xiaomi 'Macbook Pro killer' laptop release date, specs news: To run Linux [ http://ur1.ca/npu2p ]Sep 08 18:49
schestowitz"Only second quarter of 2016?!"Sep 08 18:49
schestowitzLong wait...Sep 08 18:49
msb__schestowitz: systemd is very complex and has the possibility of subtle race conditions and other problems (as we've seen recently).  I think that such problems could be built in (they may not be there now), and could allow the government to take control of Linux systems.  It's a gut feeling based on the huge extent of violation of good Unix engineering practices, the unnecessarily rapid and widespread adoption, and the feeping Sep 08 18:56
msb__creaturism that is still ongoing.Sep 08 18:56
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schestowitzhttps://twitter.com/CandidCanon/status/641311013770526721  https://twitter.com/CandidCanon/status/641311195056762881 https://twitter.com/IAM_magazine/status/641313127766863873Sep 08 19:13
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@CandidCanon: @IAM_magazine @schestowitz I must be in an alternate universe...how can you say that? Would you advocate removal of patents altogether then?Sep 08 19:13
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@CandidCanon: @IAM_magazine @schestowitz Not for you anyway. I'm still not understanding what's going on here. Definitely needs a write up >140 chars...Sep 08 19:13
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@IAM_magazine: @CandidCanon @schestowitz Nope. You don't know what patents are valuable - monetarily and/or strategically - until you have them.Sep 08 19:13
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Viper550wow, Microsoft is so desperate to infect the enterprise with its Surface products that it has compiled a list of companies you should no longer support under the guide of an "enterprise initutive" Sep 08 19:32
MinceR:>Sep 08 19:33
Viper550"Microsoft Expands Surface Pro Options for the Enterprise " says a blatant Microsoft boosterSep 08 19:34
Viper550Dell will be reselling it and offer its own enterprise services for themSep 08 19:40
TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     Today in Techrights http://t.co/pJBG3VEH5USep 08 19:51
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TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     Debian Security http://t.co/ofbFwEFntkSep 08 19:51
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schestowitzhttps://twitter.com/IAM_magazine/status/641313127766863873   https://twitter.com/IAM_magazine/status/641314218906664960   https://twitter.com/CandidCanon/status/641318199338926082Sep 08 19:57
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@IAM_magazine: @CandidCanon @schestowitz FYI ... http://t.co/SmR2udkHDlSep 08 19:57
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights--> www.iam-media.com | Under 1% of patents account for close to 50% of overall patent value in Europe - UPDATED - Blog - Intellectual Asset Management (IAM) - Maximising IP Value for BusinessSep 08 19:57
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@CandidCanon: @IAM_magazine @schestowitz That's the dumbest thing I've ever heard. I mean, like THE dumbest. You have to own a patent to know its worth?Sep 08 19:57
schestowitzhttps://twitter.com/IAM_magazine/status/641322622630895616Sep 08 19:57
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@IAM_magazine: @CandidCanon @schestowitz It has to exist, yes. Sorry if that is too much for you to get your head round :-DSep 08 19:57
schestowitzhttps://twitter.com/CandidCanon/status/641325667393634309   https://twitter.com/CandidCanon/status/641325734649307137   https://twitter.com/IAM_magazine/status/641326124019130368Sep 08 20:07
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@CandidCanon: @IAM_magazine @schestowitz When you say "have them", you mean "until you've patented it". Not, as I thought, "until you own the patent."Sep 08 20:07
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@CandidCanon: @IAM_magazine @schestowitz Am I closer? Does one of us need English speaking lessons? I vote you. =)Sep 08 20:07
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@IAM_magazine: @CandidCanon @schestowitz You speak American, don't you? ;-)Sep 08 20:07
schestowitzhttps://twitter.com/CandidCanon/status/641326818356801537Sep 08 20:08
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@CandidCanon: @IAM_magazine @schestowitz Close...Texan. Do not confuse Texans with Americans, it could be dangerous... LOL!Sep 08 20:08
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XRevan86For some unknown reason Devuan doesn't have some packages Debian must have.Sep 08 21:08
XRevan86https://packages.debian.org/jessie/osc is not in reposSep 08 21:08
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-SSL connect error ( status 0 @ https://packages.debian.org/jessie/osc )Sep 08 21:08
XRevan86ah, no alarm, there's nothing in reposSep 08 21:09
XRevan86at allSep 08 21:09
MinceRnot even in the merged repo?Sep 08 21:09
XRevan86MinceR: Exactly merged repoSep 08 21:10
XRevan86it's emptySep 08 21:10
MinceRmaybe some issue with amprollaSep 08 21:10
XRevan86MinceR: I guess.Sep 08 21:10
MinceRit would be better to mention it on #devuan Sep 08 21:10
MinceRor to file a bugSep 08 21:10
XRevan86I'll waitSep 08 21:11
XRevan86I doubt it's unnoticedSep 08 21:11
XRevan86I at first thought they went phyco and removed some stuff from repos %).Sep 08 21:17
XRevan86But no, everything's in order.Sep 08 21:17
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DaemonFChttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hungarian_forintSep 08 22:03
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DaemonFC"Forgery of forint banknotes is not significant."Sep 08 22:03
DaemonFCConsidering that you only get half as many US dollars for them as you could 7 years ago might be discouraging the counterfeiters.Sep 08 22:03
DaemonFCMassive devaluation.Sep 08 22:03
MinceRindeedSep 08 22:04
MinceRand our government is pretending it's not losing valueSep 08 22:04
MinceRin part via trickery with prices set by the governmentSep 08 22:04
MinceR(venezuela style)Sep 08 22:04
DaemonFCYeah. "1.3% inflation" but price controls make sure that there's also nothing on the shelves while farmers are drowning the chickens.Sep 08 22:05
DaemonFCThe US experimented with price controls briefly in the 70s and found out that the results were far worse than even double-digit inflation.Sep 08 22:05
DaemonFCThe result of price controls has invariably been disaster, ever since Diocletian's Edict on Maximum Prices, but people never seem to learn. :)Sep 08 22:11
DaemonFCIt sometimes works as a temporary wartime measure along with ration coupons, but it requires a population that's willing to make sacrifices for what they believe is ultimately the greater good. The US during the second world war, for example. I don't think we have people like that anymore. Tell them they can't buy the latest iPhone and watch them lose their shit.Sep 08 22:14
MinceR:>Sep 08 22:14
DaemonFChttps://scontent-ord1-1.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-xfp1/v/t1.0-9/12003006_905554256183305_8884678373833488037_n.jpg?oh=42262aa883390e87b721c22f86521227&oe=566ED71ESep 08 22:19
msb__I'm trying to adapt my PC-DOS C code for Tetris to Linux, but the arrays have graphic hex-codes in them (e.g., to make a solid square), that I can't even see properly with the mc editor.  Aggh!Sep 08 22:19
MinceRvim could helpSep 08 22:21
MinceRhttp://vim.wikia.com/wiki/Showing_the_ASCII_value_of_the_current_characterSep 08 22:21
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-vim.wikia.com | Showing the ASCII value of the current character - Vim Tips Wiki [ http://ur1.ca/npwl8 ]Sep 08 22:21
MinceRalso, this: http://www.asciitable.com/Sep 08 22:21
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.asciitable.com | Ascii Table - ASCII character codes and html, octal, hex and decimal chart conversionSep 08 22:21
msb__I can see the characters with my "sho" program, that shows all 256 codes, but I can't edit them with that.Sep 08 22:23
msb__I don't want to learn a new editor.  I'll just replace them with printable characters and convert them in the code when they're used.Sep 08 22:25
MinceR People think that I must be a very strange person. This is not correct. I have the heart of a small boy. It is in a glass jar on my desk.Sep 08 22:25
MinceRStephen KingSep 08 22:25
DaemonFCMinceR, Do you suppose that Hungary is trying to keep a lid on official inflation and other stats to game its way into the Euro and then offload some of their problems onto neighbors?Sep 08 23:05
MinceRi doubt they're trying to get into the eurozoneSep 08 23:05
MinceRif they are, they're doing it badlySep 08 23:05
MinceRthen again, there's little they aren't doing badlySep 08 23:06
DaemonFChttp://www.zdnet.com/article/september-2015-patch-tuesday/Sep 08 23:07
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.zdnet.com | Microsoft fixes five critical flaws, including two hitting all versions of Windows | ZDNet [ http://ur1.ca/npx8c ]Sep 08 23:07
DaemonFChttp://news.softpedia.com/news/microsoft-releases-new-cumulative-update-for-windows-10-491231.shtmlSep 08 23:10
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DaemonFCNo changelog = coverup for true number of bugs.Sep 08 23:11
MinceRbusiness as usualSep 08 23:12
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TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     “government spy agencies with reproducibleSep 09 03:45
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TweetTuxMachines                 Coming To Linux http://t.co/GciheKZywTSep 09 04:07
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msb__Back when I was writing C for PCDOS, I could express hex constants as 0xnn.  But now that doesn't work and I have to use \xnn.  Did the language change?Sep 09 04:37
cubexyz0xnn does workSep 09 04:51
cubexyzI can cite you numerous examples :)Sep 09 04:51
cubexyzhttp://www.maxhost.org/other/hex-example.cSep 09 04:58
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TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     VirtualBox 5.0.4 Brings Fixes for Linux KernelSep 09 05:21
TweetTuxMachines                 4.2 and Window Managers http://t.co/T1dVMVlHw5Sep 09 05:21
TweetTuxMachines                 (news.softpedia.com) http://t.co/w8JtSdXxL8Sep 09 05:21
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-news.softpedia.com | VirtualBox 5.0.4 Brings Fixes for Linux Kernel 4.2 and Window Managers - SoftpediaSep 09 05:21
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-betanews.com | VirtualBox squashes bugs, adds new guest resolution to pre-defined menuSep 09 05:21
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TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     Frozen Synapse And The Red DLC Now On GOG ForSep 09 05:21
TweetTuxMachines                 Linux & On Sale http://t.co/X5dTv45VFgSep 09 05:21
TweetTuxMachines                 (www.gamingonlinux.com)Sep 09 05:21
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.gamingonlinux.com | Frozen Synapse And The Red DLC Now On GOG For Linux & On Sale | GamingOnLinuxSep 09 05:21
TweetTuxMachines........................................  http://ur1.ca/nq1mkSep 09 05:21
TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     Last Chance to Get the Torchlight II Action RPGSep 09 05:22
TweetTuxMachines                 with a 75% DiscountSep 09 05:22
TweetTuxMachines                 http://t.co/p7dxViVvXY (linux.softpedia.com)Sep 09 05:22
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-linux.softpedia.com | Last Chance to Get the Torchlight II Action RPG with a 75% Discount - SoftpediaSep 09 05:22
TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     Plasma 5.4.1 Bugfix Release for SeptemberSep 09 05:42
TweetTuxMachines                 https://t.co/K9UWqqPIhG (dot.kde.org)Sep 09 05:42
TweetTuxMachines........................................  http://ur1.ca/nq1v7Sep 09 05:42
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-dot.kde.org | Plasma 5.4.1 Bugfix Release for September | KDE.newsSep 09 05:42
TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     After Ditching Microsoft, the City of Munich IsSep 09 05:43
TweetTuxMachines                 Now an Open Source ContributorSep 09 05:43
TweetTuxMachines                 http://t.co/LdBCUrA4jZ (news.softpedia.com)Sep 09 05:43
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msb__cubexyz: hello?Sep 09 05:52
cubexyzhiSep 09 05:53
msb__pm and I'll show you the codeSep 09 05:54
TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     Live photos offer the first real look at theSep 09 06:12
TweetTuxMachines                 Nokia C1 Android phoneSep 09 06:12
TweetTuxMachines                 http://t.co/kt4rdKjy7g (www.gsmarena.com)Sep 09 06:12
TweetTuxMachines........................................  http://ur1.ca/nq27kSep 09 06:12
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.gsmarena.com | Live photos offer the first real look at the Nokia C1Android phone - GSMArena.com newsSep 09 06:12
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TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     Android M 6.0 'Marshmallow' Preview & ReleaseSep 09 06:43
TweetTuxMachines                 Date Details: The Latest All-New Features in OSSep 09 06:43
TweetTuxMachines                 Upgrade http://t.co/QZul8UBPjiSep 09 06:43
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.latinopost.com | Android M 6.0 'Marshmallow' Preview & Release Date Details: The Latest All-New Features in OS Upgrade : Tech : Latino PostSep 09 06:43
TweetTuxMachines                 (www.latinopost.com)Sep 09 06:43
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TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     Nokia C1 Android Smartphone Images LeakedSep 09 06:43
TweetTuxMachines                 Alongside Specifications http://t.co/sTXceqKyJ7Sep 09 06:43
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-gadgets.ndtv.com | Nokia C1 Android Smartphone Images Leaked Alongside Specifications | NDTV GadgetsSep 09 06:43
TweetTuxMachines                 (gadgets.ndtv.com)Sep 09 06:43
TweetTuxMachines........................................  http://ur1.ca/nq2jtSep 09 06:43
TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     Would You Buy an Android Tablet If It Only CostSep 09 06:43
TweetTuxMachines                 $50? http://t.co/DZcabH4i4k (gizmodo.com)Sep 09 06:43
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-gizmodo.com | Would You Buy an Android Tablet If It Only Cost $50?Sep 09 06:43
TweetTuxMachines........................................  http://ur1.ca/nq2juSep 09 06:43
TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     Move Over Lollipop. It’s TIME For AndroidSep 09 06:43
TweetTuxMachines                 MarshmallowSep 09 06:43
TweetTuxMachines                 http://t.co/vkSmc83BDS (www.knowyourmobile.com)Sep 09 06:43
TweetTuxMachines........................................  http://ur1.ca/nq2jvSep 09 06:43
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.knowyourmobile.com | Move Over Lollipop. It’s TIME For Android Marshmallow | Know Your MobileSep 09 06:44
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TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     Android Lollipop is the OS of choice for one inSep 09 10:52
TweetTuxMachines                 five users http://t.co/bBDDN28cOZSep 09 10:52
TweetTuxMachines                 (www.tuxmachines.org)Sep 09 10:52
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Android Lollipop is the OS of choice for one in five users | Tux MachinesSep 09 10:52
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schestowitz> http://motherboard.vice.com/read/how-debian-is-trying-to-shut-down-the-cia-and-make-software-trustworthy-againSep 09 11:28
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-motherboard.vice.com | How Debian Is Trying to Shut Down the CIA and Make Software Trustworthy Again | Motherboard [ http://ur1.ca/npqys ]Sep 09 11:28
schestowitz>Sep 09 11:28
schestowitz> And with the other hand they add systemd ...Sep 09 11:28
schestowitzand depend on Red Hat, which works with the NSA.Sep 09 11:28
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schestowitz> https://soylentnews.org/article.pl?sid=15/09/08/1447250Sep 09 11:38
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-SSL connect error ( status 0 @ https://soylentnews.org/article.pl?sid=15/09/08/1447250 )Sep 09 11:38
schestowitz>Sep 09 11:38
schestowitz> an accidental good side to software patentsSep 09 11:38
schestowitzI wrote about the original story this week. This evening I have something coming about EPO...Sep 09 11:38
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schestowitzhttps://twitter.com/SleepyPenguin1/status/641562223245176832Sep 09 11:43
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@SleepyPenguin1: Microsoft Buys Cloud Computing Security Startup Adallom | NDTV Gadgets @schestowitz http://t.co/z9lxM2EFpbSep 09 11:43
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights--> gadgets.ndtv.com | Microsoft Buys Cloud Computing Security Startup Adallom | NDTV GadgetsSep 09 11:43
schestowitzThis is old 'news' re-announcedSep 09 11:43
schestowitzhttps://twitter.com/SleepyPenguin1/status/641563787057885184Sep 09 11:52
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@SleepyPenguin1: @schestowitz Thought so.Sep 09 11:52
schestowitzhttps://twitter.com/MxsQueen/status/641565002646843392Sep 09 11:53
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@MxsQueen: @schestowitz I thought that was Google's schtick.Sep 09 11:53
schestowitzGoogle does many more things than FB, including Android/OS. Some parts of Google are evil.Sep 09 11:54
schestowitzhttps://twitter.com/jmcest/status/641565071647371264Sep 09 11:54
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@jmcest: Insecurity By Design. RT @schestowitz #TSA Master Keys https://t.co/WllXNLurzG abuse at so many levels, system for mass controlSep 09 11:54
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights--> www.schneier.com | TSA Master Keys - Schneier on SecuritySep 09 11:54
cubexyzI suggested that people should stop using redhat quite a while agoSep 09 12:00
cubexyzyou want traditional Unix, you probably should have at least one openbsd boxSep 09 12:01
schestowitzhttps://twitter.com/pixelrust/status/641566545190232064Sep 09 12:01
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@pixelrust: @schestowitz best line: the last one (between brackets) #debian #gnu #linux #secuitySep 09 12:01
schestowitz" (lunar@debian sent me a very nice email. Don’t believe all the strawmen I wrote above...) "Sep 09 12:01
TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     Mozilla pays it forward http://t.co/Kuy1bjXfoDSep 09 12:08
TweetTuxMachines                 (www.tuxmachines.org)Sep 09 12:08
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Mozilla pays it forward | Tux MachinesSep 09 12:08
TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     Ubuntu Snappy Core and Raspberry Pi 2 PoweredSep 09 12:08
TweetTuxMachines                 Mycroft Device Successfully FundedSep 09 12:08
TweetTuxMachines                 http://t.co/Y0d84DxzmZ (www.tuxmachines.org)Sep 09 12:08
TweetTuxMachines........................................  http://ur1.ca/nq5sqSep 09 12:08
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Ubuntu Snappy Core and Raspberry Pi 2 Powered Mycroft Device Successfully Funded | Tux MachinesSep 09 12:08
TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     systemd 226 Adds New Features to the DHCPSep 09 12:08
TweetTuxMachines                 Implementation of networkd, MoreSep 09 12:08
TweetTuxMachines                 http://t.co/77R9YROhDH (www.tuxmachines.org)Sep 09 12:08
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | systemd 226 Adds New Features to the DHCP Implementation of networkd, More | Tux MachinesSep 09 12:08
schestowitzhttps://joindiaspora.com/posts/6571751Sep 09 12:09
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: Support #adblock to demolish a ruthless #surveillance industry http://thenextweb.com/insider/2015/09/08/adblock-plus-officially-lands-on-android-and-ios-today/Sep 09 12:09
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights--> thenextweb.com | Adblock Plus officially lands on Android and iOS today [ http://ur1.ca/nq5t6 ]Sep 09 12:09
schestowitz"Adblock has a “whitelist” of ads it allows through, they have to make their money somewhere. They will not demolish ads but hold them to ransom."Sep 09 12:09
schestowitzEven better, some of them deserve thatSep 09 12:09
schestowitzit also helps fund development of adblockSep 09 12:09
TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     Human Interface Guidelines (HIG) for the UnixSep 09 12:22
TweetTuxMachines                 shell http://t.co/KO12hqXtheSep 09 12:22
TweetTuxMachines                 (www.tuxmachines.org)Sep 09 12:22
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Human Interface Guidelines (HIG) for the Unix shell | Tux MachinesSep 09 12:22
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TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     SystemRescueCd 4.6.0 Is Out with Xfce 4.12,Sep 09 12:22
TweetTuxMachines                 Linux Kernel 4.1.6 LTS, and GParted 0.23.0Sep 09 12:22
TweetTuxMachines                 http://t.co/Nx632O4Eo9 (www.tuxmachines.org)Sep 09 12:22
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | SystemRescueCd 4.6.0 Is Out with Xfce 4.12, Linux Kernel 4.1.6 LTS, and GParted 0.23.0 | Tux MachinesSep 09 12:22
TweetTuxMachines@AndroidOrgAu    Android Australia Daily News is out!Sep 09 12:22
TweetTuxMachines                 http://t.co/9idqaAFaTd (paper.li) Stories viaSep 09 12:22
TweetTuxMachines                 @Ausdroid @tuxmachinesSep 09 12:22
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-paper.li | Android Australia Daily NewsSep 09 12:22
TweetTuxMachines........................................  http://ur1.ca/nq5ybSep 09 12:22
TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     Ubuntu 15.10 (Wily Werewolf) Is Now OfficiallySep 09 12:26
TweetTuxMachines                 Powered by Linux Kernel 4.2Sep 09 12:26
TweetTuxMachines                 http://t.co/zFZebYzlTk (news.softpedia.com)Sep 09 12:26
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-news.softpedia.com | Ubuntu 15.10 (Wily Werewolf) Is Now Officially Powered by Linux Kernel 4.2 - SoftpediaSep 09 12:26
TweetTuxMachines........................................  http://ur1.ca/nq60mSep 09 12:26
TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     systemd 226 Adds New Features to the DHCPSep 09 12:26
TweetTuxMachines                 Implementation of networkd, MoreSep 09 12:26
TweetTuxMachines                 http://t.co/3tYIEmIswc (news.softpedia.com)Sep 09 12:26
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-news.softpedia.com | systemd 226 Adds New Features to the DHCP Implementation of networkd, More - SoftpediaSep 09 12:26
TweetTuxMachines........................................  http://ur1.ca/nq60nSep 09 12:26
TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     Why Use Docker On A Dedicated Server?Sep 09 12:26
TweetTuxMachines                 http://t.co/HUJ8paYvitSep 09 12:26
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.everydaylinuxuser.com | Why Use Docker On A Dedicated Server? « Everyday Linux UserSep 09 12:26
TweetTuxMachines                 (www.everydaylinuxuser.com)Sep 09 12:26
TweetTuxMachines........................................  http://ur1.ca/nq60oSep 09 12:26
TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     4MLinux 13.1 Has Been Officially Released withSep 09 12:26
TweetTuxMachines                 Linux Kernel 3.18 LTS http://t.co/rB9ZCNUCh4Sep 09 12:26
TweetTuxMachines                 (linux.softpedia.com)Sep 09 12:26
TweetTuxMachines........................................  http://ur1.ca/nq60pSep 09 12:26
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-linux.softpedia.com | 4MLinux 13.1 Has Been Officially Released with Linux Kernel 3.18 LTS - SoftpediaSep 09 12:26
*TweetTuxMachines @techmuser favourited '4MLinux 13.1 Has Been Officially Released with Linux...'Sep 09 12:28
TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     Has Windows 10 Killed Linux On The Desktop?Sep 09 12:28
TweetTuxMachines                 http://t.co/akHSf2hCSpSep 09 12:28
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.everydaylinuxuser.com | Has Windows 10 Killed Linux On The Desktop? « Everyday Linux UserSep 09 12:28
TweetTuxMachines                 (www.everydaylinuxuser.com) no, it probablySep 09 12:28
TweetTuxMachines                 accelerated its adoptionSep 09 12:28
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schestowitzhttps://twitter.com/alexanderhanff/status/641574400924491776Sep 09 12:31
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@alexanderhanff: @schestowitz I wouldn't really call an OS which has an enforced dominent market share a consumer choice would you?Sep 09 12:31
schestowitzthe word "choice" was wrong here, I thought that too when I relayedSep 09 12:31
schestowitzhttps://twitter.com/RamiSilawi/status/641574802956750849Sep 09 12:33
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@RamiSilawi: @schestowitz check this out :) https://t.co/b7tUNXwemlSep 09 12:33
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@RamiSilawi: Hasta la #vista10 , baby: Welcome #Linux ! Used the New Socially Awkward #Penguin my way :) http://t.co/OcawcmgNWASep 09 12:33
schestowitzGetty are after you for copyright royalties ;-)Sep 09 12:33
TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     Waha Linux 8.2 Brings the Latest Debian 8.2Sep 09 12:36
TweetTuxMachines                 GNU/Linux OS to the Arab CommunitySep 09 12:36
TweetTuxMachines                 http://t.co/jz3cSSRs5F (news.softpedia.com)Sep 09 12:36
TweetTuxMachines........................................  http://ur1.ca/nq65nSep 09 12:36
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-news.softpedia.com | Waha Linux 8.2 Brings the Latest Debian 8.2 GNU/Linux OS to the Arab Community - SoftpediaSep 09 12:36
TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     Android Lollipop is the OS of choice for one inSep 09 12:36
TweetTuxMachines                 five users http://t.co/FeFlG0RtONSep 09 12:36
TweetTuxMachines                 (www.engadget.com)Sep 09 12:36
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.engadget.com | Android Lollipop is the OS of choice for one in five usersSep 09 12:36
TweetTuxMachines........................................  http://ur1.ca/nq65oSep 09 12:36
TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     Ubuntu Snappy Core and Raspberry Pi 2 PoweredSep 09 12:37
TweetTuxMachines                 Mycroft Device Successfully FundedSep 09 12:37
TweetTuxMachines                 http://t.co/a7VuMa0QGM (news.softpedia.com)Sep 09 12:37
TweetTuxMachines........................................  http://ur1.ca/nq65pSep 09 12:37
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-news.softpedia.com | Ubuntu Snappy Core and Raspberry Pi 2 Powered Mycroft Device Successfully Funded - SoftpediaSep 09 12:37
TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     Human Interface Guidelines (HIG) for the UnixSep 09 12:40
TweetTuxMachines                 shell http://t.co/jGYx11gEJD (opensource.com)Sep 09 12:40
TweetTuxMachines........................................  http://ur1.ca/nq67hSep 09 12:40
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-opensource.com | All Things Open, interview with Klaatu on HIG | Opensource.comSep 09 12:40
TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     SystemRescueCd 4.6.0 Is Out with Xfce 4.12,Sep 09 12:40
TweetTuxMachines                 Linux Kernel 4.1.6 LTS, and GParted 0.23.0Sep 09 12:40
TweetTuxMachines                 http://t.co/b7g6yipoGz (linux.softpedia.com)Sep 09 12:40
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-linux.softpedia.com | SystemRescueCd 4.6.0 Is Out with Xfce 4.12, Linux Kernel 4.1.6 LTS, and GParted 0.23.0 - SoftpediaSep 09 12:40
TweetTuxMachines........................................  http://ur1.ca/nq67iSep 09 12:40
TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     Linux and Python education for students inSep 09 12:40
TweetTuxMachines                 Israel http://t.co/OZmFMJcMSY (opensource.com)Sep 09 12:40
TweetTuxMachines........................................  http://ur1.ca/nq67jSep 09 12:40
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-opensource.com | ROSE project teaches open source to students in Israel | Opensource.comSep 09 12:40
TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     Red Hat to boost APAC enterprises with itsSep 09 12:48
TweetTuxMachines                 fifth annual forum http://t.co/mi0XeNwZRbSep 09 12:48
TweetTuxMachines                 (www.channelworld.in)Sep 09 12:48
TweetTuxMachines........................................  http://ur1.ca/nq6b4Sep 09 12:49
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.channelworld.in | Red Hat to boost APAC enterprises with its fifth annual forum | News | ChannelWorld.inSep 09 12:49
TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     Ubuntu Wily gaggle builds 15.10 beta beachheadSep 09 12:49
TweetTuxMachines                 http://t.co/AAy3vwkoMN (www.theregister.co.uk)Sep 09 12:49
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.theregister.co.uk | Ubuntu Wily gaggle builds 15.10 beta beachhead • The RegisterSep 09 12:49
TweetTuxMachines........................................  http://ur1.ca/nq6b5Sep 09 12:49
TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     MATE Interface for Linux Systems Remains AliveSep 09 12:49
TweetTuxMachines                 and Growing http://t.co/rifZr62HNeSep 09 12:49
TweetTuxMachines                 (thevarguy.com)Sep 09 12:49
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-thevarguy.com | MATE Interface for Linux Systems Remains Alive and Growing | Open Source Application Software Companies content from The VAR GuySep 09 12:49
TweetTuxMachines........................................  http://ur1.ca/nq6b6Sep 09 12:49
schestowitzhttp://www.pressgazette.co.uk/6000-drop-number-uk-journalists-over-two-years-18000-more-prs-labour-force-survey-showsSep 09 12:56
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.pressgazette.co.uk | 6,000 drop in number of UK journalists over two years - but 18,000 more PRs, Labour Force Survey shows | Press Gazette [ http://ur1.ca/nq6fm ]Sep 09 12:56
schestowitzAnd a lot of people who call themselves "journalists" are stenographers of gov. and/or corporations, without sense of shameSep 09 12:57
schestowitzhttps://twitter.com/glynmoody/status/641582867945009152Sep 09 13:07
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@glynmoody: @schestowitz indeed, and increasingly so, alas....Sep 09 13:07
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schestowitzhttps://twitter.com/RootUsers_/status/641583429276950528Sep 09 13:18
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@RootUsers_: @schestowitz Agreed, have moved a few desktops over to Linux since Windows 10 privacy issues.Sep 09 13:18
schestowitzLooking at nations other than Five Eyes 'members', there is a  big motion away from Windows (Vista 10) and to Free softwareSep 09 13:18
schestowitzhttps://twitter.com/agente_smithe/status/641583777601482752Sep 09 13:19
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@agente_smithe: @schestowitz systemd is RH pulling a M$ on the GNU/Linux ecosystem.Sep 09 13:19
schestowitzI wouldn't go as far as that....Sep 09 13:19
schestowitzhttps://twitter.com/agente_smithe/status/641584099170365440Sep 09 13:19
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@agente_smithe: @schestowitz I m concerned with FB running tv ads promoting internet. And, by the end, internet by facebook. WTF ???Sep 09 13:19
schestowitzFacebook is very evil.Sep 09 13:20
TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     Canonical Video Showcases Scopes InterfaceSep 09 13:31
TweetTuxMachines                 Feature for Ubuntu PhonesSep 09 13:31
TweetTuxMachines                 http://t.co/yOg1IMO2wI (thevarguy.com)Sep 09 13:31
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-thevarguy.com | Canonical Video Showcases Scopes Interface Feature for Ubuntu Phones | Open Source Application Software Companies content from The VAR GuySep 09 13:31
TweetTuxMachines........................................  http://ur1.ca/nq6vySep 09 13:31
TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     The Best Way to Backup Ubuntu SoftwareSep 09 13:31
TweetTuxMachines                 http://t.co/SSkCnRDRf7 (www.datamation.com)Sep 09 13:31
TweetTuxMachines........................................  http://ur1.ca/nq6vzSep 09 13:31
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.datamation.com | The Best Way to Backup Ubuntu Software - DatamationSep 09 13:31
TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     Ubuntu-Based Ultimate Edition 4.6 Gamers DistroSep 09 13:31
TweetTuxMachines                 Is the Ultimate Entertainment SystemSep 09 13:31
TweetTuxMachines                 http://t.co/RbrW4tFYNV (news.softpedia.com)Sep 09 13:31
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TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     MATE Interface for Linux Systems Remains AliveSep 09 13:32
TweetTuxMachines                 and Growing http://t.co/atUiAFUtwPSep 09 13:32
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TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     Canonical Video Showcases Scopes InterfaceSep 09 13:32
TweetTuxMachines                 Feature for Ubuntu PhonesSep 09 13:32
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Canonical Video Showcases Scopes Interface Feature for Ubuntu Phones | Tux MachinesSep 09 13:32
TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     Android Influencer: Helen Li, the woman behindSep 09 13:32
TweetTuxMachines                 OnePlus’s Oxygen OS http://t.co/NutbthpoRTSep 09 13:32
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TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     The Best Way to Backup Ubuntu SoftwareSep 09 14:05
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | The Best Way to Backup Ubuntu Software | Tux MachinesSep 09 14:05
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Ubuntu-Based Ultimate Edition 4.6 Gamers Distro Is the Ultimate Entertainment System | Tux MachinesSep 09 14:05
TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     Linux Missing Apps Is No Longer a Reason Not toSep 09 14:05
TweetTuxMachines                 Dump Windows http://t.co/qW3N6jsE00Sep 09 14:05
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schestowitzhttps://twitter.com/jamiedpainter/status/641607906501206016Sep 09 14:45
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@jamiedpainter: @schestowitz I'm curious where payment anonymity exists outside of cash transactions?Sep 09 14:45
schestowitzIt';s 's tricky to find in the digital worldSep 09 14:45
schestowitzIt's tricky to find in the digital worldSep 09 14:45
schestowitzhttps://twitter.com/HelwaniNose/status/641608864195022848Sep 09 14:50
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@HelwaniNose: @schestowitz ever find out why plasma wont do multi-wallpapers/widget on virtual desktops? its loved feature (morethan activities) WONT fixSep 09 14:50
schestowitzI'm not happy with Plasma5 and I'm hoping for a fix, maybe some time by the end of next yearSep 09 14:50
schestowitzhttps://twitter.com/HelwaniNose/status/641609226503254016Sep 09 14:51
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@HelwaniNose: @schestowitz https://t.co/fAnu03zOR8Sep 09 14:51
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights--> bugs.kde.org | Bug 343246 – plasma 5 doesn't allow different wallpapers and widgets for each virtual desktopSep 09 14:51
schestowitzI'd go back to KDE3 or Plasma 4 if it was easy (it's not anymore)Sep 09 14:51
cubexyzI'm running kde 3.5.10 and trinitySep 09 14:57
cubexyzalthough on the openbsd box I'm using icewm and parts of xfce4Sep 09 14:57
cubexyzfor that matter you can run kde 1 stuffSep 09 14:58
cubexyzthere's no difficulty at allSep 09 14:58
cubexyznow writing kde 1 stuff might be a bit hard, but just using existing kde 1 stuff is notSep 09 14:59
cubexyzI'll prove itSep 09 15:04
cubexyzhttp://www.maxhost.org/other/openbsd-krubik-kde1.pngSep 09 15:04
TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     Android Influencer: Helen Li, the woman behindSep 09 15:04
TweetTuxMachines                 OnePlus’s Oxygen OS http://t.co/MWlOc7T0xXSep 09 15:04
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.greenbot.com | Android Influencer: Helen Li, the woman behind OnePlus’s Oxygen OS | GreenbotSep 09 15:04
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TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     Looking Ahead to New Linux/FOSS PromotionalSep 09 15:04
TweetTuxMachines                 Events http://t.co/Uu0KPifiiS (fossforce.com)Sep 09 15:04
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-fossforce.com | Looking Ahead to New Linux/FOSS Promotional Events | FOSS ForceSep 09 15:04
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TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     "first secrets file ever created with #KSecretSep 09 15:05
TweetTuxMachines                 Service, and it happened here, in Randa."Sep 09 15:05
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-barlog.rusu.info | KSecret Service just created its first secrets file | Valentin RusuSep 09 15:05
cubexyzEendebak told me he disliked KDE 2 so he stopped writing KDE programsSep 09 15:05
msb__Extremely informative interview of Julian Assange regarding secret US plans to overthrow Assad years ago, how the US Empire works, multi-pronged attacks on nations it wants to influence or destroy, etc.  --   https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W3HWiydFlJc  Sep 09 15:06
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.youtube.com | Assange on 'US Empire', Assad govt overthrow plans & new book 'The WikiLeaks Files' (EXCLUSIVE) - YouTube [ http://ur1.ca/nq81d ]Sep 09 15:06
MinceRhttp://www.marietjeschaake.eu/2015/09/how-russia-uses-the-internet-for-surveillance-and-propaganda/Sep 09 15:09
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.marietjeschaake.eu | The Red Web: How Russia uses the internet for surveillance and propaganda [ http://ur1.ca/nq832 ]Sep 09 15:09
cubexyzyou can even have one machine running trinity, or KDE whatever version and use compressed X11 forwarding via ssh to run on just about anything with X running on itSep 09 15:10
schestowitzhttps://joindiaspora.com/posts/6572824Sep 09 15:10
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: #microsoft #vista10 'damage control' http://www.zdnet.com/article/september-2015-patch-tuesday/ http://news.softpedia.com/news/microsoft-releases-new-cumulative-update-for-windows-10-491231.shtml Ryan (ex-MS MVP): "No changelog = coverup for true number of bugs."Sep 09 15:10
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights--> www.zdnet.com | Microsoft fixes five critical flaws, including two hitting all versions of Windows | ZDNet [ http://ur1.ca/npx8c ]Sep 09 15:10
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights--> news.softpedia.com | Microsoft Releases New Cumulative Update for Windows 10 - Updated - Softpedia [ http://ur1.ca/npx9i ]Sep 09 15:10
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cubexyzwith xmove you can even move an application to a different XserverSep 09 15:14
cubexyzthere used to be a program called Guievict which was a bit more elaborate than xmoveSep 09 15:16
cubexyzdon't think it's maintained any more thoughSep 09 15:16
cubexyzxpra is the modern equivalent Sep 09 15:17
msb__So let's see... MinceR is telling us not to view the Assange interview because Russia broadcasts "propaganda" -- i.e., its view of things -- over the Net?Sep 09 15:17
cubexyzhttp://xpra.orgSep 09 15:17
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-xpra.org | xpra - screen for XSep 09 15:17
MinceRmsb__ is lying, as usualSep 09 15:18
MinceRhttp://www.independent.co.uk/life-style/health-and-families/health-news/homeopathy-conference-ends-in-chaos-after-delegates-take-hallucinogenic-drug-10491114.htmlSep 09 15:18
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.independent.co.uk | Homeopathy conference ends in chaos after delegates take hallucinogenic drug - Health News - Health & Families - The Independent [ http://ur1.ca/npu2t ]Sep 09 15:18
msb__Does MinceR want us to think that Assange is a Russian agent?  Does MinceR not want us to be aware of US subversion and destruction of many nations around the world, which Assange is talking about?Sep 09 15:19
MinceRwhen will msb__ run out of straw men?Sep 09 15:19
msb__Why did MinceR post his non-informative article about Russia and the Net immediately after I posted the video of Assange?  Does his CIA handler give him a list of these things to be posted at convenient times?Sep 09 15:21
MinceRwhy does msb__ get so outraged for every bit of dissent?Sep 09 15:23
msb__I'm not outraged at all, just asking questions about MinceR's peculiar behavior.Sep 09 15:25
MinceRthe Thought Police does not tolerate any attitude towards the russian empire other than unconditional love and worshipSep 09 15:25
msb__What does Russia publishing opinion on the Net have to do with Julian Assange?Sep 09 15:26
MinceRsimilarly to how the Thought Police does not tolerate any attitude towards systemd other than unconditional love and worshipSep 09 15:26
msb__What does Russia publishing opinion on the Net have to do with Julian Assange?Sep 09 15:26
MinceRwho said it did?Sep 09 15:26
msb__Why did you post the article about it immediately after I posted the one about Assange?Sep 09 15:27
TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     We're Still Waiting To See If KDBUS Will ComeSep 09 15:27
TweetTuxMachines                 For Linux 4.3 http://t.co/1FpSbUQe6KSep 09 15:27
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.phoronix.com | We're Still Waiting To See If KDBUS Will Come For Linux 4.3 - PhoronixSep 09 15:27
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TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     Xen Has A Few Additions For Linux 4.3Sep 09 15:27
TweetTuxMachines                 http://t.co/8SRhkQt4ji (www.phoronix.com)Sep 09 15:27
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.phoronix.com | Xen Has A Few Additions For Linux 4.3 - PhoronixSep 09 15:27
TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     Epiphany 3.17.91 Released, Blocks Ads BySep 09 15:27
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MinceRwhy does msb__ pretend that one was solely about Assange?Sep 09 15:28
msb__MinceR: That what was solely about Assange?Sep 09 15:28
TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     Secure Boot — Fedora, RHEL, and Shim UpstreamSep 09 15:32
TweetTuxMachines                 Maintenance: Government Involvement or LackSep 09 15:32
TweetTuxMachines                 Thereof http://t.co/5kK14ZhGrsSep 09 15:32
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-blog.uncooperative.org | Secure Boot — Fedora, RHEL, and Shim Upstream Maintenance: Government Involvement or Lack Thereof - The Uncoöperative OrganizationSep 09 15:32
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TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     Hands-on: Installing openSuSE Tumbleweed on mySep 09 15:32
TweetTuxMachines                 new Acer Aspire V3-331Sep 09 15:32
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*TweetTuxMachines @tuxmachines deleted 'Hands-on: Installing openSuSE Tumbleweed on my new Acer...'Sep 09 15:33
TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     Hands-on: Installing openSuSE Tumbleweed on mySep 09 15:33
TweetTuxMachines                 new Acer Aspire V3-331Sep 09 15:33
TweetTuxMachines                 http://t.co/Ipn4TM8Pxg (www.zdnet.com)Sep 09 15:33
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.zdnet.com | Hands-on: Installing openSuSE Tumbleweed on my new Acer Aspire V3-331 | ZDNetSep 09 15:33
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cubexyza pity X11 forwarding doesn't work very well for firefox/iceweaselSep 09 15:35
schestowitzhttps://twitter.com/dudumimran/status/641620069001261056Sep 09 15:35
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@dudumimran: @schestowitz Morphisec prevents zero-days as written in the story - nothing to do with backdoors nor the headline title so why liars?Sep 09 15:35
cubexyzit worked a lot better on the old icecatSep 09 15:35
schestowitzThe OS itself cannot be made secure, as its code is secret (proprietary) and known to have back doors. Target OSS instead.Sep 09 15:36
msb__cubexyz: Why?  Too much data from firefox?Sep 09 15:36
cubexyzwell part of the problem is the R30 is just too slow for it and it's the R30 that is running q4osSep 09 15:37
cubexyznot sure exactly why it's so slowSep 09 15:38
cubexyzthe motif programs all run very fast via X11 forwardingSep 09 15:38
msb__I've been having trouble lately running firefox on one machine.  When it's supposed to show a new   page, it doesn't, until I hover the pointer over the circle-X gadget at the right of the url-bar.  I think it upgraded recently.Sep 09 15:39
msb__What's an R30?Sep 09 15:39
cubexyzThinkpad R30, it's a 1 ghz P3Sep 09 15:39
msb__Sounded like the designation of a British airship, as in "The R30 disaster".Sep 09 15:40
msb__Did your firefox update recently?Sep 09 15:41
msb__Mine is version 40.0.3Sep 09 15:41
cubexyzI'm running multiple versionsSep 09 15:41
cubexyzfirefox 16 is the one I use the mostSep 09 15:42
msb__And it's slow with X11 forwarding?Sep 09 15:42
cubexyzMozilla Iceweasel 38.2.1 is slowSep 09 15:43
schestowitzhttps://twitter.com/freedomgirl2011/status/641622286525726721Sep 09 15:43
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@freedomgirl2011: @schestowitz HackRead has the answers and directions to enableSep 09 15:43
cubexyzlet me try firefox 16 with X11 forwardingSep 09 15:43
schestowitzhttps://twitter.com/dudumimran/status/641622862466453504Sep 09 15:43
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@dudumimran: @schestowitz Morphisec protects against zero-days and other exploits. Far from a secure OS which was an interpretation of the Techworm.Sep 09 15:43
cubexyzhaven't tried thatSep 09 15:43
msb__Do you have a graphical system monitor running on the R30 that shows if the CPU is saturated?Sep 09 15:43
schestowitzbetter to use a secure OS, not back doored kludge with a sense of security on top of itSep 09 15:43
msb__I find that very helpful.  I'm using the KDE4 system monitor.Sep 09 15:44
cubexyzactually I'm running firefox 16 on the openbsd box and it's not bad at all speed-wiseSep 09 15:45
cubexyzexcept it doesn't let me run it on both machines at the same timeSep 09 15:45
msb__I always keep it running.  If the system slows down and the cpu graph is humpy, I know to kill and restart firefox.Sep 09 15:45
schestowitzhttps://twitter.com/dudumimran/status/641622991650996225Sep 09 15:45
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@dudumimran: @schestowitz the fact one does not have control on media interpretations does not make one a liar.Sep 09 15:45
schestowitzMaybe best to speak to the media thenSep 09 15:45
schestowitzThe article promoted the ludicrous notion of 'secure' WindowsSep 09 15:46
schestowitzhttps://twitter.com/dudumimran/status/641623551225655296Sep 09 15:46
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@dudumimran: @schestowitz Personally I agree but as you know proprietary OSes are widely used and their need for protection can not be ignored. Reality.Sep 09 15:46
msb__Sure.  US "national security".Sep 09 15:47
schestowitzIt's possible to secure FOSS, but not secret code in operating systems whose makers are actively colluding with the NSASep 09 15:47
schestowitz Giving people a false sense of security is worse than none at allSep 09 15:47
schestowitzmsb__: yeahSep 09 15:48
cubexyzhttp://www.maxhost.org/other/openbsd-firefox-16.pngSep 09 15:49
cubexyzso it works well, but with the limitation of only running on one machine at a timeSep 09 15:49
msb__cubexyz: How do it know?Sep 09 15:50
schestowitzhttps://twitter.com/dudumimran/status/641624256099454976  https://twitter.com/dudumimran/status/641624392934387712Sep 09 15:50
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@dudumimran: @schestowitz very difficult to control what others say about you, in general I think:) Check out their site http://t.co/ikpTMf1S1vSep 09 15:50
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights--> www.morphisec.com | Morphisec - Polymorphic Cyber DefenseSep 09 15:50
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@dudumimran: @schestowitz agree but that happens many times with media coverages, nothing new.Sep 09 15:50
cubexyzwell it knows that the host machine is already running firefoxSep 09 15:51
msb__cubexyz: Do you know the thermos bottle joke?Sep 09 15:51
schestowitzCredit card leaks in your country demonstrate the high cost of encouraging companies to continue storing them on WindowsSep 09 15:51
cubexyzmsb__, nopeSep 09 15:51
schestowitzhttps://twitter.com/FrancisJeffrey7/status/641624539781185536Sep 09 15:52
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@FrancisJeffrey7: @schestowitz For anyone reading, briefly: #snachocracy --> #snitchocracy ? If anything esoteric, please DM that to me.Sep 09 15:52
msb__An ethnic man's wife gives him a thermos bottle as a present.  He's very happy with it and tells his co-workers, "If I put something hot in it it keeps it hot, and if I put something cold in it, it keeps it cold."  They say, "So what?"  He replies, "How do it know?"Sep 09 15:53
schestowitzhttps://twitter.com/dudumimran/status/641625551166279680Sep 09 15:55
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@dudumimran: @schestowitz a general question, do you believe that if everyone worked on Linux the number of attacks were to decline?Sep 09 15:55
schestowitzNo, but maybe the overall proportion of attacks that are successful would decrease. See CII.Sep 09 15:56
msb__I think FOSS becomes more difficult to secure if it's more difficult to understand what's going on inside it, and that happens if engineering principles of simplicity and modularity are violated, which systemd is doing.Sep 09 15:58
cubexyzstupid firefox!Sep 09 15:59
msb__cubexyz: you're running version 16.  That's so last millennium.  8^)Sep 09 16:00
schestowitzhttps://twitter.com/dudumimran/status/641626742759665664Sep 09 16:00
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@dudumimran: @schestowitz maybe. I used to think that though today I believe motivation supersedes technical difficulties and we agreed that is no 100%Sep 09 16:00
schestowitznegligence in patching is an issue, no doubt... but no matter the amount of patching if there are intentional back doors...Sep 09 16:00
msb__simplicity, modularity and visibilitySep 09 16:01
msb__Firefox has its ups and downs.  Months ago it was using up some X resource, which caused the screen to flicker rapidly  and then X and the KDE3 session crashed and I was back in kdm.  That hasn't happened for a while until I went to one of MinceR's CIA sites, I think yesterday.  Blammo!Sep 09 16:04
msb__I know it was an X problem because there was a last log entry in the syslog or the x log about X.Sep 09 16:05
schestowitzhttps://twitter.com/dudumimran/status/641627777863585793   https://twitter.com/dudumimran/status/641627925960224768Sep 09 16:07
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@dudumimran: @schestowitz I don't believe patching can ever cope with exploits. Exploits are inevitable due to sw complexity and dependency on 3rd partySep 09 16:07
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@dudumimran: @schestowitz I've written once about it if you've got the patience to read:) http://t.co/6ipocGHrk5 - that topic is my specialty.Sep 09 16:07
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights--> www.dudumimran.com | Is It GAME OVER? - Dudu Mimran BlogSep 09 16:07
schestowitzThanks, will read it later todaySep 09 16:07
msb__To take advantage of the current huge Windows 10 disaster, we really need a well-supported non-systemd LInux distro with a huge repo, so people can easily find and install all the software they need.Sep 09 16:10
msb__I was sad at being named Bilk until I met a man named Dudu!Sep 09 16:12
cubexyzok... I figured out a work-aroundSep 09 16:12
cubexyzinstead of X11 forwarding from the vector box (which is already running firefox) I simply forward from another computerSep 09 16:12
TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     How ABRT helped us make Fedora Workstation moreSep 09 16:13
TweetTuxMachines                 stable  https://t.co/IfwIOxcgdUSep 09 16:13
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-eischmann.wordpress.com | How ABRT helped us make Fedora Workstation more stable | Brno's hatSep 09 16:13
TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     Gnome-like activity overview in other desktopSep 09 16:13
TweetTuxMachines                 environments https://t.co/OljrC0FkofSep 09 16:13
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-pigjuliux.wordpress.com | Gnome-like activity overview in other desktop environments | JuLiuX' WorldSep 09 16:13
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cubexyzso firefox is running fast on a machine with 256 megs :)Sep 09 16:13
cubexyzyes, I'm quite pleasedSep 09 16:13
TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     Red Hat exec is one of top 10 female leaders inSep 09 16:13
TweetTuxMachines                 'cloud' technology http://t.co/h0lwLqurI2Sep 09 16:13
TweetTuxMachines                 (wraltechwire.com)Sep 09 16:13
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-wraltechwire.com | Red Hat exec is one of top 10 female leaders in 'cloud' technology :: Editor's Blog at WRAL TechWireSep 09 16:13
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TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     Xiaomi 'Macbook Pro killer' laptop releaseSep 09 16:14
TweetTuxMachines                 date, specs rumors: To run LinuxSep 09 16:14
TweetTuxMachines                 http://t.co/aT09IVNuWz (www.mnrdaily.com)Sep 09 16:14
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.mnrdaily.com | Xiaomi 'Macbook Pro killer' laptop release date, specs rumors: To run LinuxSep 09 16:14
TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     Epiphany 3.17.91 Released, Blocks Ads BySep 09 16:14
TweetTuxMachines                 Default http://t.co/5RUeS1kBT1Sep 09 16:14
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Epiphany 3.17.91 Released, Blocks Ads By Default | Tux MachinesSep 09 16:14
TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     Events: 30 years Free Software Foundation,Sep 09 16:15
TweetTuxMachines                 ownCloud, and Linux/FOSS Promotional EventsSep 09 16:15
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Events: 30 years Free Software Foundation, ownCloud, and Linux/FOSS Promotional Events | Tux MachinesSep 09 16:15
TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     We're Still Waiting To See If KDBUS Will ComeSep 09 16:15
TweetTuxMachines                 For Linux 4.3 http://t.co/3Qa2TRa5XVSep 09 16:15
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | We're Still Waiting To See If KDBUS Will Come For Linux 4.3 | Tux MachinesSep 09 16:15
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cubexyzfunky, I'm running google-chrome on the ancient openbsd box :)Sep 09 16:15
msb__I want to run Unix on a cross-connected 12AX7, which I will communicate with using a telegraph key and a neon lamp.Sep 09 16:15
cubexyzhttp://www.maxhost.org/other/openbsd-running-chrome-v20.pngSep 09 16:17
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights- ( status 404 @ http://www.maxhost.org/other/openbsd-running-chrome-v20.png )Sep 09 16:17
cubexyzoopsSep 09 16:17
cubexyzit's quite the memory workout remembering all the passwordsSep 09 16:18
cubexyzhttp://www.maxhost.org/other/openbsd-running-chrome-v20.pngSep 09 16:18
cubexyzwell msb__ that brings me up to 2012 at leastSep 09 16:18
msb__Very good!Sep 09 16:18
cubexyzgood, except for the huge office 365 ad that just appearedSep 09 16:20
msb__The first computer I programmed on was a Royal McBee something-16, which had no RAM.  It had a 60Hz drum and so could execute 60 instructions per second, unless you spaced them carefully around the drum.Sep 09 16:20
msb__No AdBlocker?Sep 09 16:21
cubexyzyou know this is faster than trying to run firefox on the old machineSep 09 16:22
cubexyzit's quite useableSep 09 16:22
cubexyzevidently not on the machine I'm forwarding fromSep 09 16:23
TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     Hands-on: Installing openSuSE Tumbleweed on mySep 09 16:25
TweetTuxMachines                 new Acer Aspire V3-331 http://t.co/sK3FFJsNsmSep 09 16:25
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Hands-on: Installing openSuSE Tumbleweed on my new Acer Aspire V3-331 | Tux MachinesSep 09 16:25
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TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     Open Source CMS Platform AcquiredSep 09 16:25
TweetTuxMachines                 http://t.co/GD8zHZ2BkT (www.tuxmachines.org)Sep 09 16:25
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Open Source CMS Platform Acquired | Tux MachinesSep 09 16:25
TweetTuxMachines........................................  http://ur1.ca/nq92eSep 09 16:25
TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     Five Useful Tools For Debian Based SystemsSep 09 16:25
TweetTuxMachines                 http://t.co/UmDOXotS6t (www.unixmen.com)Sep 09 16:25
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.unixmen.com | Five Useful Tools For Debian Based Systems | UnixmenSep 09 16:26
cubexyzthe animated thing on schestowitz techrights.org site does slow it down a lot thoughSep 09 16:26
cubexyzbut that disappears once you click on a linkSep 09 16:26
cubexyzI've managed to make my own browser cloud :)Sep 09 16:30
schestowitzhttps://twitter.com/dudumimran/status/641629139359789057Sep 09 16:33
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@dudumimran: @schestowitz great - nice meeting:)Sep 09 16:33
schestowitz[16:26] <cubexyz> the animated thing on schestowitz techrights.org site does slow it down a lot thoughSep 09 16:33
schestowitzWhich one?Sep 09 16:33
schestowitzThe site is under heavy load at the momentSep 09 16:33
cubexyzthe Snowden oneSep 09 16:36
cubexyzbut it's mainly because of the X11 forwardingSep 09 16:37
cubexyzit's still useable Sep 09 16:37
TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     This Is Not The New Nokia Android SmartphoneSep 09 17:09
TweetTuxMachines                 You Desire http://t.co/4WmwQjva6rSep 09 17:09
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.forbes.com | This Is Not The New Nokia Android Smartphone You DesireSep 09 17:09
TweetTuxMachines                 (www.forbes.com)Sep 09 17:09
TweetTuxMachines........................................  http://ur1.ca/nq9ndSep 09 17:09
TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     Getting IoT kick started on FedoraSep 09 17:09
TweetTuxMachines                 http://t.co/76YDzLUCng (nullr0ute.com)Sep 09 17:09
TweetTuxMachines........................................  http://ur1.ca/nq9neSep 09 17:09
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-nullr0ute.com | Getting IoT kick started on Fedora | nullr0ute's blogSep 09 17:09
TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     Links 9/9/2015: Steam for GNU/Linux Rising,Sep 09 17:09
TweetTuxMachines                 Plasma 5.4.1 is Out http://t.co/rJ1uBJnJnVSep 09 17:09
TweetTuxMachines                 (techrights.org)Sep 09 17:09
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Links 9/9/2015: Steam for GNU/Linux Rising, Plasma 5.4.1 is Out | TechrightsSep 09 17:09
schestowitzhttps://twitter.com/jwildeboer/status/641645941347491840Sep 09 17:15
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@jwildeboer: @schestowitz #blamesystemd ;-)Sep 09 17:15
schestowitzNo, not for this one...Sep 09 17:16
schestowitzcontext: https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/641610226811203584Sep 09 17:16
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz: A lot of the stuff I was able to do in #kde3 (~12 years ago) I was no longer able to do in #kde4 and Plasma 5 is the same re Plasma 4. Why?Sep 09 17:16
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TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     Today in Techrights http://t.co/1b9wOW61KGSep 09 17:23
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Today in Techrights | Tux MachinesSep 09 17:23
schestowitzhttps://twitter.com/ildiariopad/status/641649322514231297Sep 09 17:28
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@ildiariopad: @schestowitz: “The next [ #EPO ]demonstration will take place on Tuesday 15 September” http://t.co/GqgowUCFif… http://t.co/gmxs9bDkEQSep 09 17:28
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights--> t.co | t.co / TwitterSep 09 17:28
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights--> ildiariopad.altervista.org | @schestowitz: "The next [ #EPO ]demonstration will take place on Tuesday 15 September" http://t.co/4DQH4gIQPY #europe #patents #upc » Diario Pad notizie potenziateSep 09 17:28
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schestowitz[15:18] [Notice] -TechrightsBot-tr to #techrights- www.independent.co.uk | Homeopathy conference ends in chaos after delegates take hallucinogenic drug - Health News - Health & Families - The Independent  [ http://ur1.ca/npu2t ]Sep 09 17:41
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.independent.co.uk | Homeopathy conference ends in chaos after delegates take hallucinogenic drug - Health News - Health & Families - The IndependentSep 09 17:41
schestowitzLOLSep 09 17:41
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schestowitzhttps://twitter.com/i/redirect?url=https%3A%2F%2Ftwitter.com%2Fwikileaks%2Fstatus%2F641609927379828736%3Ft%3D1%26cn%3DZmxleGlibGVfcmVjcw%253D%253D%26sig%3D1a48b5a5152358a41281d2964bc44cd79d29f064%26al%3D1%26refsrc%3Demail%26iid%3De08c3ce7c39246f68bfda36af7d3cf03%26autoactions%3D1441816493%26uid%3D26603208%26nid%3D244%2B1489&t=1&cn=ZmxleGlibGVfcmVjcw%3D%3D&sig=0e7c416bf94e78f62898caec54a950c41a34df1c&iid=e08c3ce7c39246f68bfda36af7d3cf03&Sep 09 17:52
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights- ( status 404 @ https://twitter.com/i/redirect?url=https%3A%2F%2Ftwitter.com%2Fwikileaks%2Fstatus%2F641609927379828736%3Ft%3D1%26cn%3DZmxleGlibGVfcmVjcw%253D%253D%26sig%3D1a48b5a5152358a41281d2964bc44cd79d29f064%26al%3D1%26refsrc%3Demail%26iid%3De08c3ce7c39246f68bfda36af7d3cf03%26autoactions%3D1441816493%26uid%3D26603208%26nid%3D244%2B1489&t=1&cn=ZmxleGlibGVfcmVjcw%3D%3D&sig=0e7c416bf94e78f62898caec54a950c41a34df1c&iid=e08c3ce7c39246f68bfda36aSep 09 17:52
schestowitzuid=26603208&nid=244+1489Sep 09 17:52
schestowitzleads to https://twitter.com/wikileaks/status/641609927379828736Sep 09 17:53
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@wikileaks: Julian #Assange on Jeremy Corbyn & US/UK special relationship https://t.co/Ob1fzgbPQJSep 09 17:53
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights--> www.youtube.com | Julian Assange on Jeremy Corbyn & US/UK special relationship - YouTubeSep 09 17:53
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schestowitzhttps://twitter.com/glynmoody/status/641658984609529856  https://twitter.com/GarrettCobarr/status/641659540174344192Sep 09 18:09
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@glynmoody: @alexanderhanff @schestowitz yes, that struck me too: how is that a realistic solution (rhetorical question....)?Sep 09 18:09
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@GarrettCobarr: @glynmoody @alexanderhanff @schestowitz Challenging #surveillance abuse by #NSA & their ilk on US citizens, not much better. Prove standingSep 09 18:09
MinceRhttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2007_cyberattacks_on_EstoniaSep 09 18:10
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-en.wikipedia.org | 2007 cyberattacks on Estonia - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia [ http://ur1.ca/nqaj8 ]Sep 09 18:10
schestowitzhttps://twitter.com/glynmoody/status/641659966617726976Sep 09 18:10
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@glynmoody: @GarrettCobarr @alexanderhanff @schestowitz indeedSep 09 18:10
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DaemonFChttp://www.addictinginfo.org/2015/09/09/karma-came-quickly-for-the-journalist-who-kicked-and-tripped-refugees-on-camera-video/Sep 09 19:12
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.addictinginfo.org | Addicting Info – Karma Came Quickly For The Journalist Who Kicked And Tripped Refugees On Camera (VIDEO) [ http://ur1.ca/nqbcd ]Sep 09 19:13
DaemonFCMinceR, An Orban supporter?Sep 09 19:13
MinceRpossiblySep 09 19:13
DaemonFCThe more I read about him, the more I say, "What an awful piece of shit...".Sep 09 19:13
MinceRcould also be someone who mistakenly believes vona to be in opposition to orbanSep 09 19:13
MinceR(even though jobbik supports all the abuses fidesz/kdnp have committed so far)Sep 09 19:14
DaemonFCThe EU is obviously not concerned about human rights, at least not anymore.Sep 09 19:14
MinceRindeedSep 09 19:14
DaemonFCThey should have expelled and sanctioned Hungary a long time ago.Sep 09 19:14
MinceRand this is probably due to the power of EPPSep 09 19:14
DaemonFCThe point of sanctions is to punish the people who have put that government in place until they change their minds.Sep 09 19:15
MinceRthey rule the EU and have yet to kick fidesz outSep 09 19:15
DaemonFCThe suffering ends whenever they want it to.Sep 09 19:15
MinceRand the EU keeps funding hungary and keeping it around as a memberSep 09 19:15
XRevan86DaemonFC: I wonder why that doesn't work.Sep 09 19:15
MinceRreligious fundamentalism will probably lead to the extinction of the human speciesSep 09 19:16
XRevan86(seriously, it doesn't)Sep 09 19:16
DaemonFCXRevan86, The ability for sanctions to work is limited by how much the other economy depends on your support.Sep 09 19:16
XRevan86DaemonFC: It's like blackmailing.Sep 09 19:16
DaemonFCAt this point, Hungary needs the EU single market more than Russia needed the US trade that was cut.Sep 09 19:16
MinceRif the payments ended, the hungarian economy would probably collapse immediatelySep 09 19:16
DaemonFCThe sanctions have hurt Russia's economy more than ours though.Sep 09 19:17
DaemonFCIf anything, it has improved our own jobs market. Sep 09 19:17
XRevan86DaemonFC: It is pretty hurt indeed.Sep 09 19:17
MinceRthe drop of the price of oil also seems to have hurt russia's economySep 09 19:17
DaemonFCJobs involving natural gas are being added faster than normal in the US.Sep 09 19:17
MinceRthis is why they should have diversified instead of doing the same old shitSep 09 19:18
DaemonFCMinceR, Yeah, it's certainly not helping them.Sep 09 19:18
DaemonFCThey're not losing their asses on it, but it's not at the point where their federal budget comes close to balancing.Sep 09 19:18
DaemonFCOne of the things that made Putin popular was balancing the federal budget and goosing the economy with government spending, but that's not the case anymore.Sep 09 19:19
DaemonFCIf they want a balanced budget, it will require severe cuts in government spending. If they don't cut the spending, they'll run out of foreign currency reserves eventually, and have to inflate the Ruble.Sep 09 19:20
MinceRi wasn't aware of this "N1TV" but they sound like nazisSep 09 19:20
DaemonFCEither way brings pain. Either they get an unemployment crisis and a recession or they devalue their currency and deal with an inflation crisis.Sep 09 19:21
DaemonFCThat's really the problem with trying to set monetary policy No matter what you do, there are good and bad things that will come of it.Sep 09 19:21
MinceRhttp://www.theguardian.com/world/2015/sep/08/hungarian-nationalist-tv-camera-operator-filmed-kicking-refugee-childrenSep 09 19:21
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.theguardian.com | Hungarian nationalist TV camera operator filmed kicking refugee children | World news | The Guardian [ http://ur1.ca/nqbgu ]Sep 09 19:21
MinceR"closely linked to the country’s far-right Jobbik party"Sep 09 19:21
MinceRvery few people seem to care about human rights anymoreSep 09 19:23
DaemonFCThe US has had a currency crisis before, like the kind in Weimar Germany or Zimbabwe.Sep 09 19:25
MinceRi was unaware of thatSep 09 19:25
DaemonFCOh yeah.Sep 09 19:25
DaemonFCIn the 1700s.Sep 09 19:26
DaemonFCThe Congress was hamstrung by war debt, the  Articles of Confederation (the original constitution), and the fact that the US dollar was new and represented a largely agrarian economy.Sep 09 19:26
DaemonFCThe Articles left Congress with no power to levy taxes on anyone. They had to rely on voluntary contributions from the states, and the states mostly decided to ignore the requests.Sep 09 19:27
MinceRicSep 09 19:27
DaemonFCSo Congress fired up the printing presses and the British were still trying to subvert us through counterfeiting, which never really stopped after the war.Sep 09 19:28
DaemonFCThe Continental Dollar stopped passing as currency. Nobody would take it. A barter economy developed instead for a while.Sep 09 19:28
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DaemonFCThe dollar is in no danger of having a crisis in the foreseeable future. Other currencies which were believed to threaten it (mostly the Euro), well.... Have you taken a look at the Euro lately? :)Sep 09 19:31
DaemonFCFor a while, Germany was benefiting from it immensely, but now that looks like it's changing too.Sep 09 19:33
DaemonFCOrders for goods from German factories just took a dive this last month.Sep 09 19:33
DaemonFCJapan has turned into an old age colony and even currency devaluation and huge government stimulus packages aren't helping.Sep 09 19:34
schestowitz[19:25] <DaemonFC> The US has had a currency crisis before, like the kind in Weimar Germany or Zimbabwe.Sep 09 19:36
schestowitzI didn't know that eitherSep 09 19:36
DaemonFCAs in, it gets so bad that it stops passing for money. :)Sep 09 19:36
schestowitzsafer than to invest in exchnageable thingsSep 09 19:37
DaemonFCTwice if you count the Confederacy as the United States, but laws passed after the war voided the debt that they took on while they were in rebellion.Sep 09 19:37
schestowitzDaemonFC: ryan, did you ever pay those hospital bills?Sep 09 19:37
schestowitzDid they keep chasing you through proxies after all this time?Sep 09 19:37
DaemonFCEurope didn't want to get too involved. They knew that if the United States ended up winning that we would be pissed and turn our wartime economy on whoever helped the Confederate states.Sep 09 19:38
DaemonFCschestowitz, At this point, under state law... They're never going to get their money.Sep 09 19:38
DaemonFCThe six year mark is actually today.Sep 09 19:38
DaemonFCSo, it's considered uncollectable since the statute of limitations passed without a successful collection.Sep 09 19:39
DaemonFCI was in the hospital on September 9, 2009.Sep 09 19:39
schestowitzwow, i thought longer (ago) than thatSep 09 19:39
schestowitzthey were grossly overchanrging anywaySep 09 19:39
DaemonFCI managed to wait them out without being sued. Some people (with more stuff to take) aren't as lucky.Sep 09 19:40
schestowitzthe hospitals can be like cartels in the USSep 09 19:40
schestowitzwell, other people probably show off their assets in FBSep 09 19:40
DaemonFCYeah. It's also better to not have any large bank balances.Sep 09 19:40
schestowitzand debt collectors can impersonate people to get into people's 'walls' for proof, without having to resort to surveillance agenciesSep 09 19:41
schestowitznno warrantsSep 09 19:41
DaemonFCThey can freeze your accounts, but they can't freeze cash.Sep 09 19:41
schestowitzI think that there was a case about this some years ago, some insurance company or something setting up bogus accountsSep 09 19:41
schestowitzand got suedSep 09 19:41
DaemonFCYeah, I mostly hid everything on my Facebook page.Sep 09 19:41
schestowitzyes, greezing accounts is more than money seizuresSep 09 19:41
DaemonFCOnly friends of friends can send me a friend request.Sep 09 19:42
schestowitzcan cut off your cables and other billablesSep 09 19:42
DaemonFCI used a robots.txt to keep search engines from indexing it.Sep 09 19:42
schestowitztherein lies the real punishment, it's like sanction/stragulationSep 09 19:42
schestowitz*ngulationSep 09 19:42
DaemonFCI went through the public records sites and managed to get my info taken down from all of them.Sep 09 19:42
DaemonFCI had a problem with one called Intelius that was started by an ex-Microsoft manager.Sep 09 19:43
schestowitzis this why you deleted your blogs/s and twitter account?Sep 09 19:43
DaemonFCThey wanted me to send a copy of my state ID and everything. Instead, I contacted the state attorney general and had him contact them.Sep 09 19:43
DaemonFCThey sent a letter back to me telling me they decided to comply rather than have me push forward with a consumer protection complaint.Sep 09 19:44
DaemonFCYeah.Sep 09 19:44
MinceRat least there's consumer protection in the usaSep 09 19:44
DaemonFCThose bill collectors will do anything. It doesn't even matter if it's legal or not.Sep 09 19:44
MinceRunlike hungary, where there's jack shitSep 09 19:44
DaemonFCI disappeared as much as I could. Changed my telephone number a couple of times.Sep 09 19:44
MinceRthe state-run consumer protection agency takes its wages from our taxes and then proceeds to sit with its thumbs up its asses.Sep 09 19:45
DaemonFCThey filed a collection account on my credit report.Sep 09 19:45
DaemonFCAll of the collection accounts I have on there will be gone by the end of next year though.Sep 09 19:45
schestowitzthey wanted $3000 for one night at the hospital?Sep 09 19:46
schestowitzHere it would be freeSep 09 19:46
schestowitzand the tax associated with NHS is like an order of magnitude lower than this amountSep 09 19:46
DaemonFCschestowitz, No. $11,500 + $500 from the doctor for three hours in the hospital.Sep 09 19:46
schestowitzso maybe you have agenciies that help protect you, but from who? The medical mafia? Which should be eliminated for delivering no value and leading many to needless death...Sep 09 19:47
schestowitzLOLSep 09 19:47
schestowitz$12kSep 09 19:47
schestowitzThat's like a whole year's savingsSep 09 19:47
schestowitzfor a decent salaried roleSep 09 19:48
schestowitzand three hours over a seizureSep 09 19:48
DaemonFCYes.Sep 09 19:48
schestowitzbetter not faint againSep 09 19:48
schestowitzif you must, die quicklySep 09 19:48
DaemonFCIf you stop paying all of your bills for a year, including your rent.Sep 09 19:48
schestowitz!google grayson die quicklySep 09 19:48
TechrightsBot-tr[1] - Alan Grayson on the GOP Health Care Plan: "Don't Get Sick! And if ... | http://www.youtube.com/watch%3Fv%3D-usmvYOPfcoSep 09 19:48
TechrightsBot-tr[2] - Alan Grayson - Wikiquote | https://en.wikiquote.org/wiki/Alan_GraysonSep 09 19:48
TechrightsBot-tr[3] - Alan Grayson "Die Quickly" Comment Prompts Uproar - CBS News | http://www.cbsnews.com/news/alan-grayson-die-quickly-comment-prompts-uproar/Sep 09 19:48
TechrightsBot-tr[4] - Six Most Outrageous Quotes from Rep. Alan Grayson | Mother Jones | http://www.motherjones.com/politics/2010/01/best-quotes-alan-graysonSep 09 19:48
schestowitzto force you to buy into the insurance cartelSep 09 19:49
schestowitzor always just rent everything, lviing on the brinkSep 09 19:49
DaemonFCExactly. Now it's not even optional.Sep 09 19:49
schestowitzmakes more obedient workersSep 09 19:49
DaemonFCYou HAVE to buy insurance. Or you pay the federal tax agency a huge fine.Sep 09 19:49
schestowitztrying to avoid eviction every months... when making ends meet means food on the table and a roofSep 09 19:49
schestowitz(or living with your gradma, when all else fails)Sep 09 19:49
DaemonFCBy 2017, the fine will be like 3% of your gross income or $1,095, whichever is more.Sep 09 19:50
DaemonFCSo, basically, they'll seize your entire tax return.Sep 09 19:50
DaemonFCThe law doesn't let them file a lien on your house, car, or bank accounts over the no insurance tax.Sep 09 19:50
DaemonFCBut they can just keep taking your entire tax return forever.Sep 09 19:50
schestowitzhere they take money for NHS, deductedSep 09 19:51
schestowitzmaybe it's for the better for you, depending how much is covered and at what faresSep 09 19:51
schestowitzthey'll probably cover too little and make it as overpriced as it is nowSep 09 19:51
DaemonFCSo if you're going to owe them money, you go to your HR, fill out a new W4, and take another deduction.Sep 09 19:51
DaemonFCYou'll owe them income tax that was unpaid at the end of the year plus the no insurance fine.Sep 09 19:51
DaemonFCTake the total amount of both, subtract the fine, and send them the income tax amount.Sep 09 19:52
DaemonFCThen there's nothing they can do to get the rest.Sep 09 19:52
schestowitzI'm glad I neer moved to the USSep 09 19:52
DaemonFCAt least, assuming the government follows its own laws.Sep 09 19:52
schestowitz(I was close to it, already nearly applied for colleges there)Sep 09 19:52
DaemonFCThat's a big if these days.Sep 09 19:52
DaemonFCschestowitz, Yeah, basically everyone knows someone from the UK, Canada, Australia, etc.Sep 09 19:53
DaemonFCThey hop on a plane and go home if they get sick, assuming they can.Sep 09 19:53
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DaemonFCA US hospital sent a Canadian woman a $1 million hospital bill for going into labor and having a baby in Washington state.Sep 09 19:54
DaemonFCschestowitz, And the minimum acceptable insurance under Obamacare costs most people a fucking fortune and doesn't cover anything, really.Sep 09 19:55
schestowitz!google sued for creating fake account to spy on womanSep 09 19:55
TechrightsBot-tr[1] - Feds Using Fake Online Profiles To Spy On Suspects - Huffington Post | http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2010/03/16/fbi-uses-fake-facebook-pr_n_500776.htmlSep 09 19:55
TechrightsBot-tr[2] - DEA set up fake Facebook account to impersonate woman and spy ... | http://www.policestateusa.com/2014/sondra-arquiett/Sep 09 19:55
TechrightsBot-tr[3] - DEA created a fake Facebook profile in this woman's name using ... | http://www.washingtonpost.com/news/morning-mix/wp/2014/10/07/dea-created-a-fake-facebook-profile-in-this-womans-name-using-seized-pics-then-impersonated-her/Sep 09 19:55
TechrightsBot-tr[4] - Woman sues federal agent over fake Facebook profile used in drug ... | http://www.theguardian.com/world/2014/oct/07/fake-facebook-dea-agent-lawsuit-sondra-arquiettSep 09 19:55
DaemonFCIf you're making over 400% of what the goveernment declares to be the poverty level that year for your household size, you get stuck with no subsidy and the insurance mandate.Sep 09 19:55
schestowitzAh, DEASep 09 19:56
schestowitzthey also get phone recordsSep 09 19:56
schestowitzso similar to spying agencies either waySep 09 19:56
DaemonFCSo, basically, for an individual who makes just above like $44,000 and some change, they get into that situation.Sep 09 19:56
schestowitz!google dea records callSep 09 19:56
TechrightsBot-tr[1] - U.S. secretly tracked billions of calls for decades - USA Today | http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/2015/04/07/dea-bulk-telephone-surveillance-operation/70808616/Sep 09 19:56
TechrightsBot-tr[2] - DEA program secretly collected bulk phone records for decades ... | http://thehill.com/policy/technology/238135-dea-program-collected-bulk-records-on-americans-international-callsSep 09 19:56
TechrightsBot-tr[3] - Original Phone Record Dragnet Faces Lawsuit - US News & World ... | http://www.usnews.com/news/articles/2015/04/09/original-us-phone-record-dragnet-finally-faces-lawsuitSep 09 19:56
TechrightsBot-tr[4] - Human Rights Watch Sues DEA Over Bulk Collection of Americans ... | https://www.eff.org/press/releases/human-rights-watch-sues-dea-over-bulk-collection-americans-telephone-recordsSep 09 19:56
DaemonFCThen their insurance costs like $700-800 a month just for the basic plan.Sep 09 19:56
schestowitz[1] was the original/exclusive at the timeSep 09 19:56
DaemonFCIt's only a good deal if you're poor.Sep 09 19:56
DaemonFCThe deal gets worse, the more money you make.Sep 09 19:57
DaemonFCSo it's a perverse incentive to stay poor.Sep 09 19:57
schestowitzI hope they treat the poor betterSep 09 19:57
DaemonFCIf you make $15,000 that year, you get insurance for $20 a month.Sep 09 19:57
schestowitzthe US has a lot of poverty (compared to 'first world' countries)Sep 09 19:57
DaemonFCIf you make $45,000 that year, it can be $1,200 for the same coverage.Sep 09 19:57
schestowitzmaybe gun crime will decline if the poor feel less separateSep 09 19:58
DaemonFCSo you make more money, but then you lose about $14,000 of it.Sep 09 19:58
schestowitzbetter to have spouse Sep 09 19:58
schestowitzfor tax purposes at the very leastSep 09 19:58
DaemonFCSo, workers are doing what they can to earn less money.Sep 09 19:58
schestowitztwo salaries for same family aren't taxes as one cululativeSep 09 19:58
schestowitzwhich i think in itself is a bit of a loopholeSep 09 19:59
DaemonFCThat way, the government pays their insurance bills and why work harder if they're just going to take it away from you anyway?Sep 09 19:59
schestowitzand an incentive to marrySep 09 19:59
schestowitzsaving to buy a house as a single person is hard everywhereSep 09 19:59
schestowitz[19:59] <DaemonFC> That way, the government pays their insurance bills and why work harder if they're just going to take it away from you anyway?Sep 09 19:59
DaemonFCschestowitz, No. There's an incentive not to get married.Sep 09 19:59
schestowitzThat's why I and my wife's cousins aren't too eager to take extra workSep 09 19:59
schestowitzthe more you work, the less you get per hourSep 09 20:00
schestowitzso it's better to keep it balanced lowerSep 09 20:00
DaemonFCA lot of federal benefits say things like "You qualify if you make less than $1400 a month as an individual or $2,000 a month as a married couple."Sep 09 20:00
schestowitzMy brother pays almost 40% of his salary to deductablesSep 09 20:00
schestowitz40%Sep 09 20:00
schestowitzit's like he's wasting his time subsidizing the stateSep 09 20:00
DaemonFCThat's why the Congressional Budget Office said that gay marriage would reduce the federal deficit by $100 million a year.Sep 09 20:00
MinceRthe government should not meddle in private affairs.Sep 09 20:00
DaemonFCAnd that was before the insurance reform law.Sep 09 20:00
schestowitzand he's not alone, I saw others who worked their arse off just for a gross (on paper) high wageSep 09 20:00
DaemonFCMinceR, The United States is turning into a god damned kleptocracy right before our eyes.Sep 09 20:01
schestowitzthe US is more amusing than the UKSep 09 20:01
MinceRyesSep 09 20:01
schestowitzI often get the impression people there are easier to fool, and politicians capitalise on itSep 09 20:01
DaemonFCschestowitz, The message to people who want to do better is "Don't do better. The government will just seize all of it.".Sep 09 20:01
MinceRmeanwhile, some people hold up a long-entrenched kleptocracy as the shining example that must be followedSep 09 20:01
schestowitz"the American people", "Hope", "in God"...Sep 09 20:01
schestowitzwouldn't fly hereSep 09 20:01
MinceRit seems that "in God" does fly thereSep 09 20:02
schestowitzeven the royals here have become a bit of a laughing stock, naked emperorsSep 09 20:02
MinceRconsidering cameron's and his pals' successSep 09 20:02
schestowitzold people vote for ToriesSep 09 20:02
MinceRand the corresponding human rights abusesSep 09 20:02
schestowitzand there aren't many children hereSep 09 20:02
schestowitzlow birth rates compared to the world, maybe above average for western europeSep 09 20:03
schestowitzand increasing longevitySep 09 20:03
DaemonFCschestowitz, Yeah, I saw a guy outside Buckingham Palace singing something like "The queen is much better than us and she deserves another palace!" to the tune of "God Save the Queen".Sep 09 20:03
schestowitzso enough idiots still who like their teas, scones, and queen LizSep 09 20:03
DaemonFCThe police were....annoyed.Sep 09 20:03
schestowitzand they vote Tories, or worse, UKIPSep 09 20:03
schestowitzand murdoch's papers keep telling them why it's a GOod IdeaSep 09 20:03
schestowitz[20:03] <DaemonFC> schestowitz, Yeah, I saw a guy outside Buckingham Palace singing something like "The queen is much better than us and she deserves another palace!" to the tune of "God Save the Queen".Sep 09 20:04
schestowitz!google holyrood queenSep 09 20:04
TechrightsBot-tr[1] - Holyrood Week - The British Monarchy | http://www.royal.gov.uk/RoyalEventsandCeremonies/HolyroodWeek/HolyroodWeek.aspxSep 09 20:04
TechrightsBot-tr[2] - Visit The Queen's Gallery, Palace of Holyroodhouse | https://www.royalcollection.org.uk/visit/the-queens-gallery-palace-of-holyroodhouseSep 09 20:04
TechrightsBot-tr[3] - Queen takes part in ceremony receiving her into Edinburgh for ... | http://www.dailymail.co.uk/femail/article-3144982/Glorious-green-Queen-provides-flash-colour-florals-takes-ancient-ceremony-receive-city-Edinburgh-Holyrood-week.htmlSep 09 20:04
TechrightsBot-tr[4] - Holyrood Palace - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia | https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Holyrood_PalaceSep 09 20:04
schestowitzShe already has her arse in some other palacesSep 09 20:04
schestowitzand she charged my wife and my mom to enter to merely see it from the insideSep 09 20:04
schestowitzlast yearSep 09 20:04
MinceRDaemonFC: lolSep 09 20:04
schestowitzit's right opposite the scottish parlimentSep 09 20:05
schestowitzwhich adds insult to injurySep 09 20:05
MinceRprobably deliberately soSep 09 20:05
schestowitzpopular Scottish parties like SNP want to cut off WestminsterSep 09 20:05
schestowitzwhile 'her majesty' is across the road jiggling her wealthSep 09 20:05
schestowitzshe hardly ever visits itSep 09 20:06
DaemonFCschestowitz, Didn't they try to get her on welfare to pay her $40,000 utility bills? :)Sep 09 20:06
MinceRlolSep 09 20:06
MinceRwelfare Queen?Sep 09 20:06
schestowitzher car came by our house 2 years ago, I saw her sitting there surrounded by like a dozen motorcycles... hence the hidden high cost of 'royal' familySep 09 20:06
DaemonFCI saw that in the news a few years back and when they were caught the guy that did it basically said "Oops.".Sep 09 20:06
schestowitz!google buckingham refurbSep 09 20:07
TechrightsBot-tr[1] - Queen 'may be forced out of Buckingham Palace' during building's ... | http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/home-news/queen-may-be-forced-out-of-buckingham-palace-during-buildings-150m-refurbishment-10340682.htmlSep 09 20:07
TechrightsBot-tr[2] - This is why Buckingham Palace needs a £150 million refurbishment ... | http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/buckingham-palace-needs-150-million-5938912Sep 09 20:07
TechrightsBot-tr[3] - The Queen could move out of Buckingham Palace while £150m ... | http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/queen-could-move-out-buckingham-5938367Sep 09 20:07
TechrightsBot-tr[4] - Queen might have to move out of Buckingham Palace amid ... | http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/queen-elizabeth-II/11694694/Queen-might-have-to-move-out-of-Buckingham-Palace-amid-151million-of-repairs.htmlSep 09 20:07
schestowitzbut no money for disabled people and hungry old peopleSep 09 20:07
DaemonFCMinceR, Yeah. Some sort of welfare intended to pay utility bills for the poor.Sep 09 20:07
DaemonFCThey tried to get the palace on that program.Sep 09 20:07
DaemonFCFucking thiefs.Sep 09 20:07
DaemonFCParasiting off the working folks.Sep 09 20:07
MinceRindeedSep 09 20:07
schestowitzis this true?Sep 09 20:08
schestowitzOr exaggerated for drama?Sep 09 20:08
DaemonFC!google queen utility billSep 09 20:08
TechrightsBot-tr[1] - Queen Creek, AZ : Pay Your Utility Bill | http://www.queencreek.org/community/pay-your-utility-billSep 09 20:08
TechrightsBot-tr[2] - Online Account Access for Town of Queen Creek | https://www.iwebms.net/queencreekSep 09 20:08
TechrightsBot-tr[3] - Ways to Pay Your Bill - NYC.gov | http://www.nyc.gov/html/dep/html/water_and_sewer_bills/index.shtmlSep 09 20:08
TechrightsBot-tr[4] - The Queen is hit by energy price rises as utility bills soar by £1m ... | http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2459014/The-Queen-hit-energy-price-rises-utility-bills-soar-1m.htmlSep 09 20:08
schestowitzwelfare usually is enough to cover utility, foodSep 09 20:08
DaemonFChmmSep 09 20:08
DaemonFCneed to search for thatSep 09 20:08
schestowitzyou'd probably have to living with other family members, unless they also give you a council houseSep 09 20:08
DaemonFChttp://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1314446/The-Queen-pleads-poverty-help-Buckingham-Palace-heating-bill.htmlSep 09 20:08
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.dailymail.co.uk | The Queen pleads poverty for help with Buckingham Palace heating bill | Daily Mail Online [ http://ur1.ca/nqc2q ]Sep 09 20:08
schestowitzto apply for one you might have to be a vet, disabled, unable to work, retired etc.Sep 09 20:09
schestowitzdailyfail is not reliableSep 09 20:09
DaemonFChttp://www.nydailynews.com/news/world/queen-elizabeth-ii-utility-bills-subsidized-gov-program-low-income-residents-article-1.439368Sep 09 20:09
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.nydailynews.com | NO TITLE [ http://ur1.ca/nqc37 ]Sep 09 20:09
schestowitzmaybe it's not heating bill and not povertySep 09 20:09
DaemonFC"Unable to keep up with rising utility costs at Buckingham Palace, Queen Elizabeth II once sought a handout to help pay palace heating bills from a government program that subsidizes heating costs for the poor."Sep 09 20:09
schestowitzah, maybe a hoaxSep 09 20:09
schestowitzmaybe someone signed her up for itSep 09 20:10
DaemonFChttp://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/home-news/queen-tried-to-use-state-poverty-fund-to-heat-buckingham-palace-2088179.htmlSep 09 20:10
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.independent.co.uk | Queen tried to use state poverty fund to heat Buckingham Palace - Home News - UK - The Independent [ http://ur1.ca/nqc3i ]Sep 09 20:10
DaemonFCYeah, it wasn't her personally. Sep 09 20:10
schestowitzit would be foolish to attempt otherwsieeSep 09 20:10
schestowitzah, ok, maybe some staff of the palaceSep 09 20:10
schestowitzand likely reprimanded or fired after bad pressSep 09 20:10
schestowitz40k to heat it up?Sep 09 20:10
DaemonFCThe US experimented with public housing up until about the 1980s.Sep 09 20:10
schestowitzper month?Sep 09 20:10
DaemonFCIt gave us things like Cabrini-Green.Sep 09 20:11
schestowitzMaybe she should switch energy sources...Sep 09 20:11
schestowitzmy electric+gas bill is about 50 a monthSep 09 20:11
schestowitzfor 2 peopleSep 09 20:11
DaemonFCInfamous poverty concentration. 5-6 people killed in the projects every night.Sep 09 20:11
schestowitzmaybe 60, depending on the seasonSep 09 20:11
MinceRmaybe she should get a fucking job alreadySep 09 20:11
schestowitzbrbSep 09 20:11
schestowitzshe had a jobSep 09 20:11
MinceRparasiteSep 09 20:11
schestowitzshe was queenSep 09 20:11
MinceRthat's not a jobSep 09 20:11
schestowitzshe was waving helloSep 09 20:11
DaemonFCSo the public housing policy is now vouchers to private landlords mostly. When you do scatter-site, things like gangs don't form as easily.Sep 09 20:12
schestowitzyesterday i saw in M&S some platesSep 09 20:12
schestowitz"royal wedding"Sep 09 20:12
schestowitzAnd it says Willian and Catherine on itSep 09 20:12
MinceRthat's like saying janos kadar worked hardSep 09 20:12
DaemonFCUnfortunately, there's projects leftover from the 60s and 70s. Like Eden Green in Fort Wayne.Sep 09 20:12
schestowitzthese were "Discounted" nowSep 09 20:12
schestowitzi could buy them just to puke on themSep 09 20:12
DaemonFCThat's where all the crime is. Shootings every day.Sep 09 20:12
MinceRmaybe he licked the asses of the russians hardSep 09 20:12
MinceRbut that's hardly "work"Sep 09 20:12
schestowitz!google cameron compares putin to hitlerSep 09 20:13
TechrightsBot-tr[1] - David Cameron and the cynicism of comparing Putin to Hitler | Owen ... | http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2014/sep/03/david-cameron-cynicism-comparing-vladimir-putin-adolf-hitler-ukraineSep 09 20:13
TechrightsBot-tr[2] - David Cameron warns of 'appeasing Putin as we did Hitler' | Politics ... | http://www.theguardian.com/politics/2014/sep/02/david-cameron-warns-appeasing-putin-ukraine-hitlerSep 09 20:13
TechrightsBot-tr[3] - David Cameron 'compares Vladimir Putin's Russia to Nazi Germany ... | http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/australasia/david-cameron-compares-vladimir-putins-russia-to-nazi-germany-ahead-of-tense-meeting-9860264.htmlSep 09 20:13
TechrightsBot-tr[4] - David Cameron compares Vladimir Putin's Russia to Hitler's ... | http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/world-news/david-cameron-compares-vladimir-putins-4631945Sep 09 20:13
DaemonFCschestowitz, Welfare doesn't really make as much sense when there's 20 million people who would still have no jobs even if there was a perfect skills match.Sep 09 20:13
schestowitzno provocation there...Sep 09 20:13
DaemonFCThat's the situation here in the US.Sep 09 20:13
MinceRDaemonFC: how common are apartment buildings like Cabrini-Green in the USA?Sep 09 20:13
MinceRputin _is_ like hitlerSep 09 20:13
DaemonFC20 million people who are permanently unemployable no matter what. Government doesn't talk about it.Sep 09 20:14
MinceRand putin is being appeased like hitler wasSep 09 20:14
schestowitzputlerSep 09 20:14
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MinceRthe nazis got the beating they deservedSep 09 20:14
MinceRbut the commies never didSep 09 20:14
DaemonFCMinceR, They're more common in major cities.Sep 09 20:14
DaemonFCCabrini-Green was torn down.Sep 09 20:14
MinceRnow we have a second cold war, and the third world war is comingSep 09 20:14
schestowitzHungary has been reduced from empire to jobbik racist carnivalSep 09 20:15
DaemonFCObama has the authority to end unemployment, at least in theory.Sep 09 20:15
schestowitzGermany rose backSep 09 20:15
schestowitzGreek is another Zimbabwe, it seems...Sep 09 20:15
schestowitz*GreeceSep 09 20:15
DaemonFCThe Humphrey-Hawkins act (1978?) authorizes the government to create jobs for anyone who can't get one in the private sector, but it's never been invoked.Sep 09 20:15
DaemonFCThey don't want to do expensive public works projects because of the cost, even though there are tons of things that really need done.Sep 09 20:16
MinceRDaemonFC: i seeSep 09 20:16
DaemonFCThere are at least several flood control reservoirs in Indiana that need to be enlarged because of the amount of rain that we've been getting.Sep 09 20:16
DaemonFCAt least a 15% enlargement of three just in the counties surrounding me. Congress won't do anything until the dams break and several entire cities are under three or four feet of water.Sep 09 20:17
DaemonFCIf they enlarged the reservoirs now in anticipation of this sort of thing becoming more common, they would spend only about 1-2% of the cost of cleaning up that sort of disaster.Sep 09 20:18
DaemonFCWe have the most ignorant and corrupt Congress now of my lifetime.Sep 09 20:18
DaemonFCThey used to care, then they used to pretend to care. Now they just tell the constituents to eat shit, and they get re-elected anyway, so that's what they do.Sep 09 20:19
DaemonFCThat entire branch of government is pretty close to an entire breakdown.Sep 09 20:20
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DaemonFCYou've got the president and the Supreme Court trying to do as much as they can without Congress.Sep 09 20:21
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DaemonFCI'm glad that they dismantled the gay marriage ban laws. It was becoming a national embarrassment. A sign of just how far back we were. Oh, and the conservatives howled.Sep 09 20:22
DaemonFC"We had a vote on your rights and decided fair and square that you don't have them!"Sep 09 20:22
DaemonFCThe Supreme Court said, "Fuck you. That's not how it works. Next!". A rare moment where some of my faith in the system was restored. Don't worry. It won't last long. They'll be back to no good in short order.Sep 09 20:23
MinceRare those apartement buildings shitty too? (stuff like lack of thermal and sound insulation, bad layout, cramped spaces, low quality)Sep 09 20:25
DaemonFCMinceR, The American Recovery and Reinvestment Act included some funding to renovate and modernize, to an extent.Sep 09 20:26
DaemonFCSince the government pays the utility bills too, it made sense to make them more energy and water efficient.Sep 09 20:26
DaemonFCOf course, that passed with no Republican votes at all.Sep 09 20:26
DaemonFCMinceR, The public housing for white people in rural areas is managed by a program through the US Department of Agriculture.Sep 09 20:27
DaemonFCThen they can defund Section 8 for poor black people in the major cities without hurting the Republican voters.Sep 09 20:27
MinceRicSep 09 20:27
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MinceRjust as i suspected, the russian communist-style shit we get doesn't fly in the usSep 09 20:28
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DaemonFCMinceR, They let it get to the point where the old stuff was from the 70s, 80s, and 90s. Obviously, you replace a refrigerator from the 90s and an air conditioner from the late 80s, there's going to be some big efficiency gains.Sep 09 20:29
DaemonFCThe toilets were those old 3 gallon per flush monsters from before the 1993 law that banned them and replaced them with the 1.5 gallon models.Sep 09 20:30
DaemonFCThe Republicans didn't like that law. Conservation isn't real popular with them.Sep 09 20:30
MinceRyou don't have the flush mechanisms that stop when you release the string/lever?Sep 09 20:31
DaemonFCWell, the first models weren't very good. They were just the same design with smaller tanks, so you had to flush 2-3 times. But they got better.Sep 09 20:31
DaemonFCNow they use air pressure to assist the flushing mechanism, and they work fine.Sep 09 20:31
DaemonFCThat's why when Senator Rand Paul (R-Kentucky) got up in the Senate in 2012 and complained about his toilet for 30 minutes, I was like "Where the hell has he been?".Sep 09 20:32
MinceR:)Sep 09 20:33
DaemonFCMinceR, My state representative sent out a survey asking for ideas on how to save Indiana taxpayers money.Sep 09 20:34
DaemonFCI replied "Abolish the Indiana House of Representatives and send your pay and benefits back to the General Fund. Make the state Senate the legislature, like Nebraska.".Sep 09 20:34
DaemonFCI also put that on his Facebook wall. Never got a reply.Sep 09 20:36
DaemonFCChanging the state constitution requires the same amendment to pass in three consecutive sessions of the General Assembly, and then the governor has to sign it, and then it is up for an up or down approval vote by the public in the next election year.Sep 09 20:37
DaemonFCThe last big win that we got was eliminating township tax assessors. I voted in favor of eliminating that position and firing all of them, and transferring their duties to the county assessor. It saves the state about $350,000 a year.Sep 09 20:38
DaemonFCIndiana just has too many levels of government. (Former) Governor Daniels wanted to get rid of Townships entirely, and I agreed, but he never got the rest of the Township elimination amendments passed. I would have voted in favor of all of them.Sep 09 20:39
DaemonFCThe last time the government layout was significantly reformed was in 1865, so a lot of it has become an irrelevant holdover.Sep 09 20:40
DaemonFCOne small city can have 5-6 townships in it, and they all have their own officials. It's completely stupid.Sep 09 20:40
DaemonFCI'd eliminate and streamline it if it was up to me, but the only way I get to vote on it is if the people who are part of that bloated unnecessary structure say I can. :PSep 09 20:42
DaemonFCschestowitz, Yeah, Parkview Hospital is buttering up Fort Wayne.Sep 09 20:49
DaemonFCThey have their own hospital police.Sep 09 20:49
DaemonFCThey moved out of the city to avoid taxes.Sep 09 20:49
DaemonFCThey bought the naming rights to a bunch of stuff. They "donate" to build walking trails and stuff.Sep 09 20:49
DaemonFCThey throw all this money around and they got it by sending ridiculous hospital bills to people.Sep 09 20:50
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DaemonFCGizmodo wrote an article that says that Apple's fetal monitor is the best thing they've ever done for women. I replied, "The best thing they've done for pregnant women ever since forcing them to work with hazardous chemicals for 20 cents an hour in a factory with suicide nets.". Sep 09 23:45
MinceRhttp://imgur.com/gallery/m00tubZSep 09 23:48
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-imgur.com | Domo arigato. - ImgurSep 09 23:48
MinceRthe best thing crApple can do for women is to become defunctSep 09 23:48
DaemonFC J. R. Bob Dobbs (formerly ZOMG Pink Ponies) says:Sep 09 23:54
DaemonFChttps://support.apple.com/en-us/HT201412Sep 09 23:54
DaemonFC"If your iPhone, iPad, or iPod touch doesn't respond or doesn't turn on"Sep 09 23:54
DaemonFCOtherwise known as crashing, freezing, and bombing out. But Apple banned those terms in their employee handbook.Sep 09 23:54
DaemonFCIf all else fails, get a smartphone next time. :) Sep 09 23:54
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-support.apple.com | If your iPhone, iPad, or iPod touch doesn't respond or doesn't turn on - Apple SupportSep 09 23:54
DaemonFC Control the language and you control how people are allowed to think.Sep 09 23:55
MinceRin the case of crApple, do they not think because they can't or because they aren't allowed to?Sep 09 23:57
DaemonFC J. R. Bob Dobbs (formerly ZOMG Pink Ponies) says:Sep 10 00:01
DaemonFChttp://www.rawstory.com/2015/09/houston-cops-shoot-unarmed-black-patient-in-hospital-and-then-charge-him-with-assault/Sep 10 00:01
DaemonFCTexas police shot an unarmed black man in a hospital, unprovoked, and then charged him with assault.Sep 10 00:01
DaemonFCThe neglect of the mental health condition that drove him to check himself into the hospital in the first place was probably due to the pump and dump nature of American hospitals. Unless you're rich or have insurance, they dump you out on the street with the minimum possible amount of treatment. Sep 10 00:01
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.rawstory.com | Houston cops shoot unarmed black patient in hospital — and then charge him with assault [ http://ur1.ca/nqew8 ]Sep 10 00:01
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DaemonFCMinceR, They're using soft language. When they have to admit that there's bugs they use soft language.Sep 10 00:40
DaemonFCThere's an "issue". They'll "resolve" it. Your computer didn't crash and freeze. It "stopped responding".Sep 10 00:40
MinceRand yet their products suckSep 10 00:46
MinceRall the trickery can't make up for the fact that they omit essential functionality and severely cripple what remainsSep 10 00:46
MinceRand implement it at bargain basement quality, and provide worthless support for itSep 10 00:46
DaemonFCMinceR, There was an old style army plane that someone was flying a few hundred feet above the reservoir while we were swimming.Sep 10 00:47
DaemonFCIt made me think of that scene from GTA V.Sep 10 00:47
DaemonFCTrevor is going to have to crash land a plane.Sep 10 00:47
DaemonFCMichael says "Those poor farmers!".Sep 10 00:47
DaemonFCTrevor says "They aren't farming anything down there but meth!".Sep 10 00:47
MinceR:>Sep 10 00:48
DaemonFChttps://scontent-ord1-1.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-xpa1/v/t1.0-9/10665818_262168230659882_2960500663487330238_n.jpg?oh=1a8610b9e0230d455f7c1b64140ab08b&oe=56A6B69ASep 10 00:59
MinceR:)Sep 10 01:01
cubexyzthere's different types of non-responsivenessSep 10 01:12
cubexyzyou can be locked out of almost everything: keyboard, mouse even ssh and still recover via a serial terminalSep 10 01:12
cubexyzdepends on the kernel stateSep 10 01:13
MinceRif you said that a crApple luser, they too would enter a state of non-responsivenessSep 10 01:14
DaemonFChttp://thinkprogress.org/health/2015/09/08/3699290/impending-insurance-mergers/Sep 10 01:26
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-thinkprogress.org | Experts: Pending Health Insurance Mergers Will Hit Patients Right In The Wallet | ThinkProgress [ http://ur1.ca/nqfur ]Sep 10 01:26
DaemonFCThey can buy each other up and then render the comparison shopping on the marketplace useless since there will only be one or two health insurance companies left in the country.Sep 10 01:28
TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     Top 5 Upcoming Linux-Based Smartphone OperatingSep 10 01:33
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DaemonFCMinceR, There was an article a while back that said that businesses were trying to figure out what to do about the "problem" of frugality that stuck with many people after the last recession.Sep 10 01:38
DaemonFCI commented "Don't start another one?".Sep 10 01:38
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MinceR:>Sep 10 01:38
cubexyzUCL did some work on a self-repairing computerSep 10 01:38
cubexyzhad some rudimentary smartsSep 10 01:39
cubexyzif there was danger of overheating it would reduce CPU speedSep 10 01:40
MinceRintel did that too :>Sep 10 01:40
cubexyzyesSep 10 01:40
cubexyzthey did some other interesting things beyond thatSep 10 01:42
cubexyzit was called the "systemic computer"Sep 10 01:42
cubexyzit ran multiple copies of its instructions distributed across many nodesSep 10 01:43
cubexyzso if one node bombs out, it would restore itself from another nodeSep 10 01:43
MinceRniceSep 10 01:45
cubexyzhttp://www.maxhost.org/other/crash-proof-computer.pdfSep 10 01:46
cubexyzself-healing depends on having spare capacity somewhereSep 10 02:08
cubexyze.g. a hard drive can 'repair' failing sectors by mapping that data to unused capacity held back for that reasonSep 10 02:09
MinceReventually it could also depend on manufacturing and installing replacement partsSep 10 02:10
cubexyzIBM mainframes have hot-pluggingSep 10 02:10
cubexyznot sure what the cheapest mainframe costs these daysSep 10 02:11
cubexyzyou can get SSD/HD hot swap baysSep 10 02:15
MinceRusb and pcie can do hotplugging too, afaikSep 10 02:23
cubexyzthe problem is the motherboard might flex when inserting a cardSep 10 02:27
MinceRExpressCard avoids that :)Sep 10 02:27
cubexyzcan one get that with a standard ATX motherboard?Sep 10 02:29
MinceRdunnoSep 10 02:29
cubexyzok, yes you can, coolSep 10 02:29
MinceRsome of my laptops have itSep 10 02:29
cubexyzhow many laptops do you have?Sep 10 02:30
MinceRabout 4Sep 10 02:31
MinceRi only use 1 regularly, thoughSep 10 02:31
cubexyzI guess there's USB video cards?Sep 10 02:44
MinceRwell, DisplayLink probably existsSep 10 02:44
MinceRthough i have never seen a display that actually implemented itSep 10 02:44
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DaemonFC<cubexyz> e.g. a hard drive can 'repair' failing sectors by mapping that data to unused capacity held back for that reasonSep 10 02:56
DaemonFCIt reduces performance and it will eventually run out.Sep 10 02:56
DaemonFCIf it's happening a lot it means the disk is failing and back up whatever you can right now.Sep 10 02:56
cubexyzMinceR, I have a standard hot plug pci controller module called shpchpSep 10 03:08
MinceR:)Sep 10 03:08
cubexyzbut how to use it... no ideaSep 10 03:08
cubexyzit's been around a long timeSep 10 03:10
cubexyzah, seems to tie into ACPI supportSep 10 03:10
cubexyzthis one is evidently supported by linux:Sep 10 03:21
cubexyzhttp://www.accellcables.com/products/ultravideo-usb-2-0-to-dvi-i-or-vga-video-adapter?variant=729677365Sep 10 03:21
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.accellcables.com | UltraVideo® USB 2.0 to DVI-I or VGA Video Adapter – Accell [ http://ur1.ca/nqh69 ]Sep 10 03:21
cubexyzkernel 3.4 or newerSep 10 03:23
cubexyzsome of then use encryptionSep 10 03:23
cubexyzs/then/them/Sep 10 03:23
MinceR:)Sep 10 03:23
cubexyzmy other idea of using two serial ports for two serial terminals won't workSep 10 03:36
cubexyzoh wait... maybe it willSep 10 03:36
cubexyzand the usb video cards can overheat, greatSep 10 03:41
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schestowitzhttps://twitter.com/fcassia/status/641844948501970944  https://twitter.com/fcassia/status/641845109110239232   https://twitter.com/fcassia/status/641845403512668160Sep 10 06:29
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@fcassia: @schestowitz you're a bit behind on that news piece. It was all over down here the last t +24hrs. Even sparking memesSep 10 06:29
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@fcassia: .@schestowitz http://t.co/kgNI7p7gc7Sep 10 06:29
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@fcassia: .@schestowitz http://t.co/Fd9PnlasjpSep 10 06:29
schestowitzhttps://twitter.com/fcassia/status/641845730789998592Sep 10 06:29
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@fcassia: .@schestowitz http://t.co/7Tm2YGKRWDSep 10 06:29
schestowitzhttps://twitter.com/fcassia/status/641846006389297152Sep 10 06:30
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@fcassia: .@schestowitz http://t.co/IeskyRBKbzSep 10 06:30
schestowitzhttps://joindiaspora.com/posts/6515918Sep 10 06:34
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: Sadly, to quite a lot of people RMS is a "nuisance" for starting the system which they use for free, Torvalds a celebrated hero. #gnu #linuxSep 10 06:34
schestowitz"If systemd is really that bad, the community will fork and leave Red Hat where Novell went. GNU has an init daemon if there’s anything really wrong with init."Sep 10 06:34
schestowitzSystemd is being made harder to remove over time. It ceased being just an init system a very long time ago.Sep 10 06:35
schestowitzhttps://twitter.com/fcassia/status/641846463803301888Sep 10 06:35
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@fcassia: @schestowitz see, the fundamental problems in our country we solve them never. The memes,those we do immediately. ;-pSep 10 06:35
schestowitzI didn't know if had made so much impact on the Web...Sep 10 06:35
schestowitzhttps://twitter.com/pefercos/status/641846943707176960Sep 10 06:36
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@pefercos: @TechJournalist @schestowitz And people applauded it. Stab me, please. #apple #braindead #stupiditySep 10 06:36
schestowitzThey're not people, they're Apple drones showing their own stupiditySep 10 06:36
schestowitzhttps://joindiaspora.com/posts/6573629Sep 10 06:38
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: #Xiaomi 'Macbook Pro killer' laptop release date, specs rumors: To run Linux http://www.mnrdaily.com/article/xiaomi.macbook.pro.killer.laptop.to.run.linux.to.be.released.in.2016/3763.htm #gnu #linux #chinaSep 10 06:38
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights--> www.mnrdaily.com | Xiaomi 'Macbook Pro killer' laptop release date, specs rumors: To run Linux [ http://ur1.ca/npu2p ]Sep 10 06:38
schestowitz";Rumors i heard said they will probably use a “modified” linux system like they use a “modified” Android system on their phones. Hopefully it will allow loading of standard Linux distros, time will tell."Sep 10 06:38
schestowitzChina isn't too keen on that...Sep 10 06:38
schestowitzhttps://joindiaspora.com/posts/6566110Sep 10 06:39
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: Why market a distro - ANY distro - using 'Secure Boot'? http://news.softpedia.com/news/ubuntu-based-peppermint-os-6-receives-full-uefi-and-secure-boot-support-491059.shtml It's not a feature http://techrights.org/wiki/index.php/UEFISep 10 06:39
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schestowitz"I don’t think Orwell predicted this level of shamelessness in language. I’ve got a Vista 7 system here at work. At any given time, it’s running dozens of programs. They call themselves “services” and many have “security” in their names, but what could be less secure than the blind faith a person puts in non free software? Thanks to Edward Snowden, we have concrete proof that Microsoft betrayed all of their users while Sep 10 06:39
schestowitzpromising them privacy and security."Sep 10 06:39
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights--> techrights.org | UEFI - Techrights [ http://ur1.ca/arj9i ]Sep 10 06:39
schestowitzA lot of so-called security software only adds intrusion vectorsSep 10 06:40
schestowitzhttps://twitter.com/fcassia/status/641848068627898368Sep 10 06:40
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@fcassia: @schestowitz what a horrible person, that woman.Sep 10 06:40
schestowitzhttps://twitter.com/fcassia/status/641848881718935553Sep 10 06:42
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@fcassia: @schestowitz it's surprising that she wasn't smacked. even refugees running from police should have a little pride and self esteem left.Sep 10 06:42
schestowitz> http://data.unhcr.org/mediterranean/regional.htmlSep 10 06:47
schestowitz>Sep 10 06:47
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-data.unhcr.org | Refugees/Migrants Emergency Response - Mediterranean - Regional Overview [ http://ur1.ca/nqjkt ]Sep 10 06:47
schestowitz> 72% male, yet the news is full of toddlers.  Merkel has doomed Europe toSep 10 06:47
schestowitz> internal war.  Makes sense if you think about who benefits monetarily.Sep 10 06:47
schestowitzI heard the theory that it's design to distract the population from class war (focusing on race instead).Sep 10 06:47
schestowitzhttps://twitter.com/fcassia/status/641851731488440320Sep 10 06:55
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@fcassia: @schestowitz "Here is the news.... another action-filled adventure.... all the worst from the World Convention..." https://t.co/v9e8FEaAOJSep 10 06:55
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights--> www.youtube.com | ELO - Here Is the News - YouTubeSep 10 06:55
schestowitzhttps://twitter.com/fcassia/status/641852606898405376Sep 10 07:00
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@fcassia: @schestowitz my Hi-Fi VHS version of Pink Floyd's Delicate Sound of Thunder still plays. And doesn't clog my bandwidth while I'm watching :pSep 10 07:00
schestowitzhttps://twitter.com/fcassia/status/641852907487383552Sep 10 07:00
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@fcassia: @schestowitz and then we become http://t.co/cDhpk3g1KMSep 10 07:00
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@fcassia: @schestowitz and then we become http://t.co/cDhpk3g1KMSep 10 07:00
TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     GNOME 3.20 to Get a Redesigned Print DialogSep 10 07:16
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-linux.softpedia.com | GNOME 3.20 to Get a Redesigned Print Dialog - SoftpediaSep 10 07:16
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.phoronix.com | Sailfish OS 2.0 UI Now In Early Access - PhoronixSep 10 07:19
TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     DNF 1.1.1 and DNF-PLUGINS-CORE 0.1.11 ReleasedSep 10 07:19
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