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msb_Interesting video download experience:  I caught part of a video on RT about Syrian Kurdish women fighting ISIL.  They are socialist, have rejected male supremacy, and, as I've seen in previous videos showing Kurds, many are quite beautiful.  A google search found the video here:  https://rtd.rt.com/films/her-war-women-vs-isis-documentary/.     VideoDownloadHelper tried to get it three times, but always failed about 20% through, and Nov 15 01:54
msb_deleted the partial file.  youtube-dl couldn't get it at all.  So I looked at the HTML of the page, found the tail-end of the video's URL, and prefixed it with the beginning of the page's URL.  Good old wget gets it just fine, despite the intermittent feed.  I'll have to send the VDLH people an email about this.   http://rtd.rt.com/files/films/her-war-women-vs-isis-documentary/her-war-women-vs-isis-documentary_4.mp4  Nov 15 01:54
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msb_This view of female culture is fascinating.  Even during lessons in marching maneuvers, mistakes are treated kindly, with laughter (with, not at). This is totally the opposite of male drill instructor cruelty.Nov 15 02:07
oiaohmSorry to say you comment is really sexist.    I have had male and female instructors sports instructors who have known that cruelty is not a good plan.Nov 15 02:13
msb_Not sexist at all.  I was referring to drill instructors specifically.Nov 15 02:14
oiaohmmsb_: I have also had female instructors who were more savage than most male drill instructors.Nov 15 02:15
oiaohmcomes down to how the drill instructor was taugh.Nov 15 02:15
oiaohmAnd their personality.Nov 15 02:15
msb_Perhaps because they were taught within a male-supremacist culture and were imitating it.  This particular Kurdish army is all women.  Nov 15 02:17
oiaohmNot excactly that.Nov 15 02:17
msb_I suggest downloading and watching the video.  There's a lot of interesting material in it.Nov 15 02:18
oiaohmSome people have a natural domination personality.   Does not matter if you are male or female you can have it.  Nov 15 02:18
oiaohmAustralian mil has a paper on it msb_ for choosing drill instructors to get results.Nov 15 02:18
oiaohmYes they tried going all female or all male neither is good.Nov 15 02:19
oiaohmAll the time.Nov 15 02:19
oiaohmmsb_: there is a horrible issue.   If a drill instructor is too strong in domination they break the free will of the person to disobey instruction under any conditions.   This is what produces soldiers that end up killing non combatants or throw their lives away in pointless attacks.Nov 15 02:23
msb_Perhaps the Kurdish socialist women's culture is different from that of Australian women.  Almost all Western culture is male-supremacist, and encourages psychopath (dominator) behavior in some people and sheep (passive victim) behavior in others.  This is largely due to Jewish-Christian-Islamic religion.Nov 15 02:24
cubexyzI'd say the male supremacist era is overNov 15 02:24
cubexyzor at least on the waneNov 15 02:25
oiaohmmsb_: ever heard of the term dominatrix yes a female with natural nominator tendencies. Nov 15 02:25
oiaohmOpps nominator/dominatorNov 15 02:25
oiaohmBasically its not just a male thing to be excess in domination.   Problem here is people who are excessive in domination have been promoted to the top without really considering the downsides.Nov 15 02:26
cubexyzwe don't live in a "Father Knows Best" society :)Nov 15 02:26
oiaohmcubexyz: there has always been house holds were the wife is in charge and the everyone obeys her.Nov 15 02:27
oiaohmFather knows best has mostly been a history myth.Nov 15 02:27
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schestowitzhttps://joindiaspora.com/posts/6816053Nov 15 05:03
schestowitz"let me know when they’ve got one for the Fn key :)"Nov 15 05:03
schestowitzhttps://joindiaspora.com/posts/6815992Nov 15 05:04
schestowitz"The new manjaros are sexy!"Nov 15 05:04
schestowitzWho's using them?Nov 15 05:04
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schestowitz> http://esr.ibiblio.org/?p=6918Nov 15 05:22
schestowitz> Nov 15 05:22
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-esr.ibiblio.org | Why Hackers Must Eject the SJWsNov 15 05:22
schestowitz> First, recall that there are business and political interests with theNov 15 05:22
schestowitz> long term goal of taking down FOSS that have been using intensiveNov 15 05:22
schestowitz> strategies against FOSS and Linux in particular.  We know that allNov 15 05:22
schestowitz> possible methods are used, including, I suppose, employing false SJWs.Nov 15 05:22
schestowitz> They are a bit like astroturfers but write enough code to be able to sayNov 15 05:22
schestowitz> they are involved in a project (c.f. mono in Ubuntu).  It seems to meNov 15 05:22
schestowitz> that the trendy social issues are now catspaws to hide the true sourceNov 15 05:22
schestowitz> of the attacks.  If these SJWs were real hackers they would write goodNov 15 05:22
schestowitz> code regardless of whether there were fags, women, men in dresses,Nov 15 05:22
schestowitz> asexuals, etc.  But the goal appears to ensure that there is holey codeNov 15 05:22
schestowitz> and bad design in FOSS which reduces its potential to be successful andNov 15 05:23
schestowitz> allow proprietary sw and spying to gain.  The interests promoting notNov 15 05:23
schestowitz> just holey code but bad design (e.g. systemd) have simply pulled theirNov 15 05:23
schestowitz> chain to get them to bark to avoid real discussion of the code andNov 15 05:23
schestowitz> improvement of design.  The original idea in FOSS, and OSS inNov 15 05:23
schestowitz> particular, was technical discussion and improvement.  Some of theseNov 15 05:23
schestowitz> projects have lost the original spirit and are losing their way.Nov 15 05:23
schestowitzLast time I met RMS we talked about how likely it was that "Linux" was embrace and "GNU" omitted by large businesses because Torvalds was more likely to help them. He thought it was possible and found it interested.Nov 15 05:23
schestowitzI don't think that the Intel SJW is intentionally put there for the reasons above. Either way, going down this route of discrediting feminism in FOSS wouldn't be wise for me or for TR because there exists discrimination and I'm already seeing the vicious attacks ESR gets online for writing the above.Nov 15 05:23
schestowitzLet's just say that we can bemoan corporation abuse of Linux (UEFI, TPM etc.) without lumping in SJWs... Nov 15 05:23
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schestowitzhttps://twitter.com/huehuehuio/status/665843838259478528Nov 15 05:51
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msb_schestowitz: I think systemd is by far the worst attack on Linux.  I can't even recommend an up-to-date non-systemd distro.  Manjaro uses it.  After that would be UEFI and KDE4/5/Plasma.  I don't think the SJWs will cause any significant problem.  Their complex "code of conduct" will repel nearly everyone.  Nov 15 08:12
schestowitzhttps://twitter.com/backavar/status/665882389449728001Nov 15 08:24
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@backavar: @schestowitz well, if i would get the support and care that i was promised then I wouldn't be trying to find a better life. Stupid Gov'mtNov 15 08:24
schestowitzmsb_: both are issuesNov 15 08:24
schestowitzhttps://twitter.com/Messgorough/status/665882487671885824Nov 15 08:25
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@Messgorough: @FeelitWorking @schestowitz Not helped by governments UTTER lack of understanding on this or the effects of dragnet usage.Nov 15 08:25
schestowitzhttps://twitter.com/communicipalist/status/665884073546547200Nov 15 08:31
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@communicipalist: Should keep them busy nice to know our taxes are being spent productively in keeping Cheltenham in employment https://t.co/7iR8XCdDsCNov 15 08:31
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz: "Al Qaeda knew for decades to avoid electronic means of communication" https://t.co/dPOKBCToQ6 mass #surveillance is against dissidentsNov 15 08:31
schestowitzhttps://twitter.com/backavar/status/665884441223499776Nov 15 08:31
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@backavar: @schestowitz it is a difficult lesson to learn, that is for sure.Nov 15 08:31
schestowitzwish you the best and will do what I can to spread your messageNov 15 08:31
schestowitzhttps://twitter.com/backavar/status/665885129290735616Nov 15 08:35
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@backavar: @schestowitz thank you, sir. You honor me greatly.Nov 15 08:35
MinceRhttps://twitter.com/GrrrGraphics/status/665561747500040192Nov 15 08:52
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@GrrrGraphics: PC CENSORSHIP FACEBOOK has removed "CryBullies"from my FB pages saying it "violates" their "Community Standards!" https://t.co/QjxhA3V3yENov 15 08:52
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MinceRmsb_: why not recommend slackware?Nov 15 08:52
MinceRalso, poettering is an SJW, yet that didn't repel people from cancerdNov 15 08:52
msb_Because slackware is not up to date.  Last release was two years ago.Nov 15 08:53
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MinceRi seeNov 15 08:54
MinceRwhat about funtoo?Nov 15 08:55
msb_There must be some kind of covert operation that has gotten systemd accepted -- bribery, blackmail, etc.Nov 15 08:55
msb_funtoo is source-based.  Most people will not want that.Nov 15 08:56
MinceRmaybe they'll still prefer it to systemd/Linux or systemd/Garrettux, thoughNov 15 08:58
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msb_No.  Most users are unaware of the problems with systemd, and are content to use an easy and up to date distro like Ubuntu, Fedora, or Suse.Nov 15 08:59
MinceReventually they'll find out it's getting as bad as vista, thoughNov 15 09:00
msb_I doubt that Poettering will let it get that bad as seen by the user.  I think the main purpose of systemd is to allow the US govt so kill all computers using it.Nov 15 09:03
msb_so -> toNov 15 09:04
MinceRi doubt he can avoid itNov 15 09:05
MinceRhis design sucksNov 15 09:05
MinceRsystemd is already doing extremely harmful thingsNov 15 09:05
MinceRlike running fsck in parallel with other processes that use the same filesystem mounted read-writeNov 15 09:05
MinceRplus it's full of potential vulnerabilitiesNov 15 09:06
msb_I didn't know about fsck.  Maybe a secondary purpose is to make Linux unreliable so people will use Windows.Nov 15 09:08
schestowitzhttps://twitter.com/SeaH2ONymph/status/665893268979326976Nov 15 09:08
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@SeaH2ONymph: #US #NSA - Nat'l Reconnaissance Office - Nat'l Geospatial Agency employ 25,000 ft employees & 25,000 contractors https://t.co/yTuUprqqOqNov 15 09:08
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz: "Eliminate three secret agencies costing $25 billion a year" https://t.co/yLqqprmy3vNov 15 09:08
schestowitz[22:52] <XFaCE> just a suggestionNov 15 09:09
schestowitz[22:52] <XFaCE> http://techrights.org/2015/10/25/techrights-doc-drop/Nov 15 09:10
schestowitzYes, I was told so weeks agoNov 15 09:10
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MinceRhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DFeDFva6tcg   (sauce: http://theralphretort.com/politically-incorrect-pioneer-bill-maher-takes-worthless-pc-culture-3028015/ )Nov 15 09:29
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schestowitzhttps://twitter.com/glynmoody/status/665899375311380480Nov 15 09:31
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@glynmoody: good point https://t.co/jVCH5omI52Nov 15 09:31
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz: There is a new Pirate-like term for #privacy that's promoted in corporate media: it's called "going dark", they associate it with "dark web"Nov 15 09:31
schestowitzhttps://twitter.com/ArneBab/status/665900143493910529Nov 15 09:34
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@ArneBab: @schestowitz That’s closer to reality than piracy: Since major political parties are failing us constantly, you have to go dark for privacy.Nov 15 09:34
schestowitzhttps://twitter.com/plomm3r/status/665902243816841217Nov 15 09:44
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@plomm3r: @schestowitz @glynmoody Pablo Escobar used pigeons to message to his partners in crime. After @Snowden, self-respecting terrorists know thisNov 15 09:44
schestowitzhttps://twitter.com/SteveNixonIP/status/665903640163573761Nov 15 09:47
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@SteveNixonIP: @schestowitz @PrivacyCamp @snowden They already did this ages ago. What more could they do?Nov 15 09:47
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schestowitzlongpaste (relating to systemd etc.), important but not for front page:Nov 15 10:43
schestowitz-------------Nov 15 10:43
schestowitz> On 11/15/2015 12:22 PM, Roy Schestowitz wrote:Nov 15 10:43
schestowitz>> Last time I met RMS we talked about how likely it was that "Linux" Nov 15 10:43
schestowitz>> was embrace and "GNU" omitted by large businesses because Torvalds Nov 15 10:43
schestowitz>> was more likely to help them. He thought it was possible and found itNov 15 10:43
schestowitz>> interested.Nov 15 10:43
schestowitz>>Nov 15 10:43
schestowitz>> I don't think that the Intel SJW is intentionally put there for the Nov 15 10:43
schestowitz>> reasons above. Either way, going down this route of discrediting Nov 15 10:43
schestowitz>> feminism in FOSS wouldn't be wise for me or for TR because there Nov 15 10:43
schestowitz>> exists discrimination and I'm already seeing the vicious attacks ESRNov 15 10:43
schestowitz>>  gets online for writing the above.Nov 15 10:43
schestowitz> Nov 15 10:43
schestowitz> S helped write that first comment and this one.  She is more worriedNov 15 10:43
schestowitz> than I, though I myself am worried.   She and I don't understand whatNov 15 10:43
schestowitz> can be done for the SJW issues in a *technical* project.  These socialNov 15 10:43
schestowitz> issues, she points out, have nothing to do with writing code.  ThisNov 15 10:43
schestowitz> seems to be a kind of new tactic against not just FOSS but even OSS.  INov 15 10:43
schestowitz> think it is because the latter is now firmly accepted by business and,Nov 15 10:43
schestowitz> to a lesser extent, government.  It's a noisy form of entryism toNov 15 10:43
schestowitz> confuse, distract or otherwise take attention away from the code.Nov 15 10:43
schestowitzYes, in tuxmachines I lumped about 50 articles as such under the comments section of one single node (the first about Sharp), so as to avoid the signal being reduced/diluted by the 'news' (including ESR). You can still see that in the site.Nov 15 10:43
schestowitzRed Hat and EPO are among my important 'projects' now... feminism etc. are important subjects, but not for FOSS. Some people in the atheist 'community' also rejected the interjection of feminism into their cause, which was science. You can find plenty of information about this only. They called it "atheism plus" (plus what you ask? SJW).Nov 15 10:43
schestowitz>> Let's just say that we can bemoan corporation abuse of Linux (UEFI, Nov 15 10:43
schestowitz>> TPM etc.) without lumping in SJWs...Nov 15 10:43
schestowitz> Nov 15 10:43
schestowitz> Yes, but I think this is kind of a warning of new tactics, related toNov 15 10:43
schestowitz> entryism.  There are some legitimate social problems in society andNov 15 10:43
schestowitz> there are some few people honestly trying to help through social means.Nov 15 10:44
schestowitz>  However, some of them might be catspaws and there are also probablyNov 15 10:44
schestowitz> paid SJWs as there are astroturfers.  The time might not be right toNov 15 10:44
schestowitz> address it publicly on TR but nevertheless it should be trackedNov 15 10:44
schestowitz> privately if only used to see what the anti-FOSS interests are aiming toNov 15 10:44
schestowitz> disrupt.Nov 15 10:44
schestowitzI haven't been attacked by SJW, at least not yet. RMS faced several such attack, then there's Eich... now Torvalds...Nov 15 10:44
schestowitz> But the important question to ask is, why isn't OSS allowed to keepNov 15 10:44
schestowitz> writing good code? The focus should be on the code and its quality, notNov 15 10:44
schestowitz> who or what has produced it. Who has a policy of bugdoors? Also, peopleNov 15 10:44
schestowitz> once dismissed the tactic of astroturfing. Now awareness of it is moreNov 15 10:44
schestowitz> than mainstream and it is losing its effectiveness so new avenues areNov 15 10:44
schestowitz> being used. I forget which document covered it, but the M$ jihad backNov 15 10:44
schestowitz> then was about keeping mindshare on anything except Linux, GNU, or FOSS.Nov 15 10:44
schestowitzMicrosoft recently tried to get me fired.Nov 15 10:44
schestowitz> PS.  She ran a few OSS-oriented projects a while back and has identifiedNov 15 10:44
schestowitz> first hand some of the M$ attacks, and even some other groups.  In oneNov 15 10:44
schestowitz> case, a Softer set up a web site to 'promote' OSS and gathered up a lotNov 15 10:44
schestowitz> of names through participants and projects.  Then the site changed toNov 15 10:44
schestowitz> spread FUD against OSS and M$ was able to target those people who hadNov 15 10:44
schestowitz> identified themselves.Nov 15 10:44
schestowitzYes, there are other such examples. One of them is OSSWatch - that's where the attacks on my job incidentally came from... after Microsoft had scooped up some of their key staff.Nov 15 10:44
MinceRmsb_: at least slackware 14.1 is still newer than debian 7 :>Nov 15 11:23
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msb_Devuan is based on Debian 8 -- Jessie -- April 25, 2015.Nov 15 11:33
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msb_I'll bet their Unix software is still working reliably.Nov 15 13:02
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oiaohmMinceR you need to look again at systemd when fsck is running on a file system under it the file system is still mounted read only.Nov 15 16:04
oiaohmMinceR: The difference from sysvinit and systemd with fsck is the fact applications are allowed to read data off of a file system before is fsck cleared.Nov 15 16:05
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MinceRoiaohm: until systemd gets tired of waiting for fsck (times out) and resumes bootingNov 15 16:16
XFaCEfsck systemdNov 15 16:18
oiaohmMinceR: sorry fsck timeout and booting going ahead anyhow happened under sysvinitNov 15 16:28
MinceRcitation neededNov 15 16:29
oiaohmMinceR: so not a new fault.Nov 15 16:29
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oiaohmMinceR: http://www.freedesktop.org/software/systemd/man/systemd-fsck@.service.html  this does not in fact have a timeout.Nov 15 16:33
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oiaohmIts the fsck program it self times out MinceRNov 15 16:33
oiaohmNow of course under sysvinit where fsck is running with full cpu to itself it way less likely to hit the timeout.Nov 15 16:34
oiaohmMinceR: basically hidden fault that systemd has made front and center.Nov 15 16:35
MinceRi'm not so sure about thatNov 15 16:35
MinceRsystemd is full of dark secretsNov 15 16:35
oiaohmNot really.Nov 15 16:36
oiaohmsystemd has a few design issues.Nov 15 16:36
MinceRand magic numbersNov 15 16:36
MinceRsystemd is a fractal of bad designNov 15 16:36
oiaohmEvery new system has a percentage of bad design parts.Nov 15 16:37
oiaohmThe recent systemd conference they have talked about correcting some of the worst.Nov 15 16:37
oiaohmLike moving the unit file processor out its own application.Nov 15 16:38
MinceRi thought keeping everything in one big hairball was teh best possible design evarNov 15 16:38
MinceRwhat happened?Nov 15 16:39
oiaohmReally systemd has from the start breaking up into more and more applications.Nov 15 16:39
oiaohmBasically they prototype in the hairball when they work out how it should work they then make the independant application to perform the task.Nov 15 16:40
oiaohmThat has been the systemd design model.Nov 15 16:40
oiaohmAlso the fact that kdbus is being delayed lot of fix up work to dbus has been put back on the table.  Like adding time stamps to dbus messages so you know how old a message is.Nov 15 16:41
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MinceRdropping oodles of garbage that really depends on the hairball during the build process or actually breaking it up?Nov 15 16:42
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MinceRa few thousand *ctl binaries won't save this designNov 15 16:42
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MinceRalso, why didn't they finish the design before trying to force systemd on everybody?Nov 15 16:43
oiaohmMinceR: just an example systemd-nspawn for starting up cgroups around services that use to be in PID 1.Nov 15 16:43
oiaohmwhen systemd first started.Nov 15 16:43
MinceRstill depends on systemdNov 15 16:43
MinceRand still depends on secret APIsNov 15 16:43
MinceR(that also change randomly)Nov 15 16:44
oiaohmNot trueNov 15 16:44
MinceRall the better to lock competitors out of being compatible with cancerdNov 15 16:44
oiaohmThe interface apis that nspawn connect to is fully documented.Nov 15 16:44
MinceRjust like a certain other companyNov 15 16:44
MinceRwhich brings me back to the first pointNov 15 16:45
MinceRif you people love the design of windows so much, why don't you go back to using that and stop trying to destroy gnu/linux?Nov 15 16:45
oiaohm1 sysvinit was broken.Nov 15 16:45
oiaohm2 making a replacement is never fun.Nov 15 16:45
msb_oiaohm: Please read this and tell me you are sure that systemd works correctly:  http://blog.darknedgy.net/technology/2015/10/11/0/  Personally, I think it is a Redback spider under the toilet seat.Nov 15 16:46
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XFaCE[16:45:58]<oiaohm> 2 making a replacement is never fun.Nov 15 16:48
XFaCEwe have several replacementsNov 15 16:48
MinceRall of which are better designed than cancerdNov 15 16:48
MinceRalso, systemd is not a "sysvinit replacement"Nov 15 16:48
XFaCE[16:45:46]<oiaohm> 1 sysvinit was broken.Nov 15 16:49
MinceRit's an everything replacementNov 15 16:49
MinceRif it was just an init system, it would be easy to swap it in or outNov 15 16:49
XFaCEno one is saying that sysvinit should be used foreverNov 15 16:49
MinceRbut it actually hooks into the host system with millions of tentaclesNov 15 16:49
msb_If sysvinit is "broken" it is so minimally broken that it worked fine in a hundred million systems for several decades.Nov 15 16:50
oiaohmmsb_: most of what was in that blog is covered by the recent systemd conference.Nov 15 16:50
msb_Covered with what?  Shit?Nov 15 16:51
oiaohmPlans to rebuild sections.Nov 15 16:51
msb_That blog shows that the internals of systemd are so complicated that nobody can possibly figure what it actually does in all circumstances.Nov 15 16:51
msb_So now this systemd conference admits that systemd is a huge load of unpredictable shit, _after_ it has been adopted by nearly all Linux distros, for reasons that nobody knows.Nov 15 16:53
msb_Or at least nobody is telling,.Nov 15 16:53
oiaohmThe fact that bigger guys are running systemd they are finding some nasty issue.   That are forcing sections to be fixed.Nov 15 16:56
msb_'Sentence first—verdict afterwards.'.Nov 15 16:56
oiaohmFun one at the systemd confence was locking up systemd by reloading unit files.Nov 15 16:56
msb_So the huge pile of shit was never vetted _before_ it was adopted by everyone.Nov 15 16:57
oiaohmThat traces back to a few things.  1 systemd cannot reload a single unit file instead reload all of them.Nov 15 16:57
oiaohm2 dbus/messeging used by init does not have a time stamp so if you send 1 million reload messages systemd will perform them all.Nov 15 16:58
oiaohmYes journald lack of performance also upsets big guys.Nov 15 16:59
oiaohmAnd that is another stupidity in design.Nov 15 16:59
oiaohm"A more nuanced solution could be listening for events from the Netlink proc connector (cn_proc)."  Like that one from the blog post.    Turns out cn_proc is a cpu time black hole.   netfilter is implement cgroup support to attempt to get around it.Nov 15 17:04
MinceRyeah, first people state publicly that the design of systemd is broken and it shouldn't be forced on anyoneNov 15 17:04
MinceRthen those people are called stupid and systemd is forced on almost everyoneNov 15 17:04
MinceRthen the systemd cabal finally realizes their shit is brokenNov 15 17:04
MinceRand then they try to patch it up even though the fundamental design is braindeadNov 15 17:04
oiaohmMinceR: it chicken and egg problem.Nov 15 17:04
MinceRno, a trainwreckNov 15 17:04
MinceRa combination of incompetent code monkeys and a company with huge influence and no scruplesNov 15 17:05
MinceRand enormous egosNov 15 17:05
oiaohmHow many attempts were there to replace sysvinit that got no where.Nov 15 17:05
MinceRdoesn't matterNov 15 17:05
MinceRsystemd shouldn't have gotten anywhereNov 15 17:05
oiaohmIt does matter.Nov 15 17:05
MinceRas it's shitNov 15 17:05
oiaohmsysvinit is shit that was failing to be replacedNov 15 17:06
MinceRhaving lots of attempts that get ignored is normal for free softwareNov 15 17:06
MinceRsysvinit is not nearly as shitty as systemd isNov 15 17:06
MinceRand we have openrcNov 15 17:06
oiaohmsysvinit is in a lot of ways worse than systemdNov 15 17:06
MinceRand had it for yearsNov 15 17:06
oiaohmopenrc comes out of systemdNov 15 17:06
MinceRyeah, rightNov 15 17:06
oiaohmcoming into existance.Nov 15 17:06
MinceRbecause gentoo is systemdNov 15 17:06
MinceRi'm sure plenty of people at deadrat believe sysvinit to be worse than systemdNov 15 17:07
MinceRbut those people know nothing about software engineeringNov 15 17:07
oiaohmThat is the problem.  Old school software engineering models can have issues with systemd development method.Nov 15 17:08
oiaohmI did not say systemd has the best development methods.Nov 15 17:08
msb_The big question is:  _Why_ was systemd adopted by all major distros?  It had to be a tailored combination of bribery and/or blackmail, engineered by RedHats biggest customer, the US government.Nov 15 17:08
oiaohmsystemd is taking the prototype development method.Nov 15 17:08
MinceRthe concept of cohesion is not an "old school software engineering model"Nov 15 17:08
MinceRit's part of software engineering 101Nov 15 17:08
MinceRwhich poettering never studiedNov 15 17:09
oiaohmSorry wrong.Nov 15 17:09
MinceRno, systemd is taking the "hack up a mountain of shit and then foist it on everyone" methodNov 15 17:09
MinceRmsb_: because ratcrap abused their control over gnomeNov 15 17:09
MinceRand more direct control over a number of distrosNov 15 17:10
MinceR"code first, think later -- or never"Nov 15 17:10
oiaohmMinceR: poettering has stuided software engineering if you look up his qualifications.Nov 15 17:10
oiaohmProblem is poettering takes the prototype method.Nov 15 17:10
MinceRthen his educators and examiners failed horriblyNov 15 17:11
oiaohmNot exactly.Nov 15 17:11
oiaohmWhen building a prototype you make it work then sort out the details.Nov 15 17:11
MinceRpoettering's "design" (if we can call it that) shows total ignorance of fundamental principlesNov 15 17:11
MinceRand how do you build a prototype without thinking first?Nov 15 17:11
oiaohmIts more when do you apply the fundamental principles.Nov 15 17:11
MinceRand why force a half-baked prototype on everyone before you've actually began to sort out the details?Nov 15 17:12
MinceRyeah, poettering's "when" is "never"Nov 15 17:12
oiaohmNo its not never.Nov 15 17:12
MinceRthey'll abandon the project and start over (per the CADT model) before they'd get thereNov 15 17:12
MinceRif they even couldNov 15 17:12
MinceRhttps://www.jwz.org/doc/cadt.htmlNov 15 17:12
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msb_Interesting that at the same time, KDE4/5/Plasma was being turned into a bloated mess, possibly to push people into using systemd-dependent gnome.Nov 15 17:13
oiaohmThere is a prototype development model in old software enginering that most don't use.Nov 15 17:13
MinceRand yet KDE5 officially depends on systemdNov 15 17:13
oiaohmMinceR: check again.Nov 15 17:14
MinceRhttps://soylentnews.org/article.pl?sid=15/02/20/101235Nov 15 17:14
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oiaohmMinceR: KDE5 depends on logind Nov 15 17:14
MinceRchecked.Nov 15 17:14
MinceRand guess what systemd-logind is a part of?Nov 15 17:14
oiaohmNoNov 15 17:14
MinceRyesNov 15 17:14
oiaohmlogind code in KDE 5 is checked against BSD logind as well.Nov 15 17:14
MinceRoohNov 15 17:14
MinceRcan i use bsd logind on gnu/linux?Nov 15 17:14
oiaohmUnfortantly no.Nov 15 17:15
MinceRwith a service manager that wasn't hacked up by idiots with delusions of adequacy?Nov 15 17:15
MinceRthen why bring it up at all?Nov 15 17:15
oiaohmwhy logind is that is required to wayland and x11 can run in usermode without root privilages.Nov 15 17:15
MinceRi don't careNov 15 17:15
MinceRstop blowing up the system i'm usingNov 15 17:15
MinceRstop trying to force me into using software i don't wantNov 15 17:16
msb_The prototype development model says make a prototype and give it to a few people to test and debug before forcing it on everyone!Nov 15 17:16
oiaohmconsolekit2 has also implemented the logind interfaces required.Nov 15 17:16
MinceRmake something worth using and i'll use itNov 15 17:16
MinceRisn't consolekit2 dead?Nov 15 17:16
MinceRand yes, waylandows also depends on systemdNov 15 17:16
oiaohmMincer https://github.com/ConsoleKit2/ConsoleKit2Nov 15 17:17
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oiaohmConsoleKit2 is alive and well.Nov 15 17:17
oiaohmIts the orginal consolekit that is dead.Nov 15 17:17
MinceRalso, what msb_ said.Nov 15 17:18
MinceRlooks like poettering can't even do that model rightNov 15 17:18
oiaohmMinceR: logind is older than systemd.   logind was one of the first project systemd absorbed.Nov 15 17:18
MinceR(even if it meant "implement completely before starting to design at all")Nov 15 17:18
MinceR(which it does not)Nov 15 17:18
MinceRoiaohm: yay! what difference does it make?Nov 15 17:18
oiaohmMinceR: logind interface was properly designed to solve particular problem and bsd, solaris and many others agreed to impelment.   logind is all wayland and kde is dependingNov 15 17:19
MinceRso why is the implementation broken?Nov 15 17:19
MinceRwhy do we not get the choice of logind with sane init/service manager on gnu/linux?Nov 15 17:20
oiaohmconsolekit2 with any other init system other than systemd you have logindNov 15 17:20
MinceRwhy does everything around wayland, gnome and kde have to be oriented around "madhat decides what happens on your computer"?Nov 15 17:20
MinceRwhy do people not realize this is the exact opposite of what free software is about?Nov 15 17:21
MinceRonly because redcrap is not called "microsoft"?Nov 15 17:21
oiaohmmsb_:  the issue here is before systemd many init systems were tried prototyped even if they were techically better than sysvinit they got no where.   So pushing the prototype out on everyone in the process starting to address problems that cannot be fixed in default sysvinit is the starting point.Nov 15 17:23
oiaohmMinceR: the use of logind did come from redhat it  comes from openbsd.  Asking a question how in hell do we run X11 without root privillages because its a secuirty nightmare.Nov 15 17:24
msb_Systemd has 36Megabytes of source code, bigger than 40 fictional novels.  Nobody is going to read all the updates _and_ figure out whether it will work right, which that blog post shows is pretty much impossible.  So a backdoor can be hidden in the source code enabling the US government to kill nearly all computers using Linux.  So when the US govt does another huge false-flag operation, like blowing off a nuke in the US and blaming it Nov 15 17:25
msb_on Russia, the US govt will be able to shut off most of the discussion.Nov 15 17:25
MinceRoiaohm: does openbsd use systemd?Nov 15 17:25
oiaohmMinceR: no they don't use systemd.  But they have their own logindNov 15 17:25
MinceRoiaohm: so, why does logind depend on systemd on gnu/linux?Nov 15 17:26
oiaohmMinceR: the logind in consolekit2 does not depend on systemdNov 15 17:26
MinceRwasn't the logind in consolekit2 a version that can do none of the thing that allegedly makes logind useful?Nov 15 17:26
MinceRs/ng/ngs/Nov 15 17:26
oiaohmThe first prototype of logind was for consolekit but was never merged.   Because redhat started developing systemd and killed of the consolekit project.Nov 15 17:27
MinceRwhy does it look more and more like gnu/linux is already hopeless?Nov 15 17:28
oiaohmgnu/Linux world has always been like hurding cats.Nov 15 17:30
MinceRwell, now it isn'tNov 15 17:31
oiaohmlogind alteration had to happen.Nov 15 17:31
MinceRnow it's deadrat fucking up and destroying everythingNov 15 17:31
oiaohmX11 running with full root prvillages is never been healthy.Nov 15 17:31
MinceRneither is systemd.Nov 15 17:31
oiaohmBefore systemd we have had the X11 hairball.Nov 15 17:32
oiaohmAnd we still have the X11 hairball.Nov 15 17:32
MinceRand since we already had a hairball, that means all our software must be replaced with hairballsNov 15 17:32
MinceRhttp://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/InsaneTrollLogicNov 15 17:32
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oiaohmRemember the objective of wayland is to attempt to clean up the X11 hairball.Nov 15 17:33
MinceRit's a pretty shitty attemptNov 15 17:33
MinceRconsidering that they have already discarded some important functionality of X11 from their targetNov 15 17:34
MinceRtheir motto is "Will Never Work"Nov 15 17:34
MinceR"X11 is unclean, so here's a block of wood, have fun playing with it"Nov 15 17:34
oiaohmWhat important functionalityNov 15 17:34
MinceRscreenshots, color picking from other windows, pointer warping, pointer grabbing, server-side decorationsNov 15 17:35
oiaohmA lot of the discarded functionality with wayland never worked.Nov 15 17:35
MinceRmodularity (as in, the display server and the window manager are not the same program)Nov 15 17:35
MinceRi use a lot of the discarded functionality every dayNov 15 17:35
oiaohmserver-side decorations is in the protocol of wayland these days.Nov 15 17:35
MinceRbut nice tryNov 15 17:35
MinceRyes, only in about 1 of the many implementationsNov 15 17:36
oiaohmRemember under X11 server side decorations was optional as well.Nov 15 17:36
oiaohmSo in that regard wayland has come into alignment with X11.Nov 15 17:37
MinceRapplications doing their own decorations was rare, special and not entirely usableNov 15 17:37
MinceRhell, even m$ realized this was bad design and tried to hack their way around it in windows xpNov 15 17:37
MinceRbut for ratcrap, it's The Way To GoNov 15 17:37
MinceRif people this stupid are in charge of IT, then IT has no future.Nov 15 17:38
oiaohmlibinput has implemented pointer warping and pointer grabbing these days.Nov 15 17:38
MinceRfinallyNov 15 17:38
MinceRwhat was all the whining about how those features are evil good for?Nov 15 17:39
oiaohmNotice something wayland is using oldschool design model of get every part right before moving on to the next list of features.Nov 15 17:39
oiaohmAnd people complain about that.Nov 15 17:39
MinceRdoesn't look like they're using that modelNov 15 17:40
MinceRthey got plenty of parts wrong so farNov 15 17:40
MinceRand they aren't even willing to recognize thatNov 15 17:40
oiaohmscreenshots and color picking that comes down to secuirty.Nov 15 17:40
MinceRhow can you improve on a design if you won't admit it's not perfect?Nov 15 17:40
MinceRyes, security is the excuseNov 15 17:40
MinceRfact is, it can't replace X11 until it can do thoseNov 15 17:40
oiaohmwayland does contain methods to screenshots and color picking.Nov 15 17:40
MinceRand let's not act like it's impossible to select which clients get to do thatNov 15 17:41
oiaohmSecurity is not exactly excuseNov 15 17:41
MinceRfor wayland, it isNov 15 17:41
oiaohmtrying todo copy paste secure has been more of a nightmare than screenshots and color picking.Nov 15 17:42
oiaohmMinceR: design something secure is not exactly simple or fun.Nov 15 17:43
MinceRso?Nov 15 17:43
oiaohmHave you ever used X11 with extentions so you have selinux enabled.Nov 15 17:43
MinceRprobably, as i used fedora 15 for a whileNov 15 17:44
oiaohmIts a true sport of how will the applications break today.Nov 15 17:44
MinceRand yes, it was broken in weird waysNov 15 17:44
oiaohmFedora 15 never enabled it.Nov 15 17:44
oiaohmby default.Nov 15 17:44
oiaohmScreen shot with the wrong applications open hello application taking screenshot terminated.Nov 15 17:44
MinceRi thought they enabled selinux by defaultNov 15 17:45
oiaohmcopy paste into wrong application application terminatedNov 15 17:45
oiaohmNot in X11 MinceRNov 15 17:45
msb_GNU/Linux is gradually being ruined by the same gang of organized ultra-wealthy psychopaths that did 9/11 and used it as the pretext to destr0y four nations, murder millions of people, and destabilize Europe with millions of Islamic refugees, some of which are ISIL/Al-Qaeda.  http://cosmicpenguin.com/CauseAndCure.html    http://cosmicpenguin.com/#911  Too bad that most computer people totally ignore these political realities, because Nov 15 17:45
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msb_they are what's behind the destruction of FOSS.Nov 15 17:45
oiaohmBecause once you did you started tripping privilage breaches.Nov 15 17:45
oiaohmdue to X11 design.Nov 15 17:45
oiaohmMinceR: basically wayland comes out of attempting to make something that can in fact work with security enabled.Nov 15 17:46
MinceRthat's an awfully wide definitionNov 15 17:47
MinceRyou could unplug everything and bury the computer in the sea in a block of concrete and it will be secureNov 15 17:48
MinceRit won't do anything for you, thoughNov 15 17:48
oiaohmMinceR: exactly the awfully wide definition is why wayland gets bogged down in arguements.Nov 15 17:48
oiaohmLike one of the wayland arguements was how to prevent false login screens being presented to users.Nov 15 17:49
MinceRisn't that what SAK is for?Nov 15 17:49
oiaohmNote what you said about awfully wide definition.Nov 15 17:50
oiaohmSAK only works if you have a keyboard/buttons.Nov 15 17:50
MinceRthe definition would be easier to handle if it specified that whatever X11 could do wayland should be able to do tooNov 15 17:50
MinceRrightNov 15 17:50
MinceRyou could also use a LED that only shows you're getting a trustworthy whatever screenNov 15 17:51
MinceR(login or other)Nov 15 17:51
MinceRor you could reserve an area of the screen, but that won't work in all applications eitherNov 15 17:51
oiaohmYou are not thinking the way there were.   The arguement was locked if you only had a touch screen.Nov 15 17:52
oiaohmDoes not take a very bright person to work out that arguement is not solvable.Nov 15 17:52
oiaohmYet it was arguemented in the mailing list for 2 and a half years.Nov 15 17:53
msb_FOSS is seen as a menace by the organized ultra-wealthy psychopaths because it is a revolt among the slaves -- us.  It's better than the crap they're selling and we're giving it away free -- sharing it.   That's what the US and the other fascist countries have been fighting against during the entire 20th century.  http://cosmicpenguin.com/#American_Holocaust Nov 15 17:53
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MinceRthere was a system that used a bar on the screen to ensure secure logins and the likeNov 15 17:54
MinceRthey could do that on a touchscreen, but it would be a pain when the user wants to watch movies on full screenNov 15 17:54
MinceR(they can't, in that case)Nov 15 17:54
oiaohmYou are just getting it all usage cases leaves you screwed.Nov 15 17:54
MinceRor i can let the user/integrator/administrator decideNov 15 17:55
MinceRprovide toolsNov 15 17:55
MinceRmechanism, not policyNov 15 17:55
MinceRlike X.Nov 15 17:55
oiaohmIf wayland was just reimplmenting X11 clean it would be done by now.   The fact they have a strong security bent is making it take longer.Nov 15 17:56
msb_FOSS also enables communication among everyone on the planet, which allows us to talk about what the psychopaths are doing to us, and to broadcast that information.  That severely bothers the psychopaths.  Cockroaches can't stand the light.Nov 15 17:56
oiaohmMinceR: issue with security and X11 since x11 is not designed for it putting it in latter lets loss hell.Nov 15 17:57
MinceRx11 is still the best at what it's designed to doNov 15 17:57
MinceRby farNov 15 17:57
MinceRnext to x11, all other windowing systems look like toysNov 15 17:57
oiaohmI would not say that.Nov 15 17:58
oiaohmX11 has been the most compadible beast so it stayed alive even when techically better designs have been around.Nov 15 17:58
MinceRwhich competitor let you replace the window manager on a running session?Nov 15 17:59
MinceRwhich competitor did virtual desktops right?Nov 15 17:59
MinceRhell, which competitor let you choose what panels you could use?Nov 15 18:00
oiaohmScary point is NT 3.5 had virtual desktops.Nov 15 18:00
oiaohmThen Microsoft decided to kill the feature off.Nov 15 18:00
MinceRwhich competitor let you manage the windows of frozen applications?Nov 15 18:00
MinceR(not windows.)Nov 15 18:00
cubexyznot windoze :)Nov 15 18:00
MinceRalso, if NT 3.5 did it like the add-ons i tried then it couldn't have worked too wellNov 15 18:00
oiaohmbeos allowed frozen application management.Nov 15 18:00
MinceRthere were plenty of unmanageable windows you couldn't get rid ofNov 15 18:01
MinceRthey were effectively present on all desktopsNov 15 18:01
oiaohmEven os/2 allows frozen application management.Nov 15 18:01
oiaohmbut NT/ Windows did not for some reason.Nov 15 18:01
cubexyzhow about VMS?Nov 15 18:02
MinceRthe reason is that the events necessary for window management go to the event loop of the windowNov 15 18:02
MinceRwhich has to run in the applicationNov 15 18:02
MinceRif the application is frozen, the event loop is frozenNov 15 18:02
oiaohmcubexyz: VMS is X11Nov 15 18:02
oiaohmThat is right resizing the output.Nov 15 18:03
msb_Why were all the major assassinations -- John Kennedy, Robert Kennedy, Martin Luther King, John Lennon -- people who were working to free the slaves?  Do you think that was just a coincidence?  Why were all the researchers who investigated those assassinations smeared by the corporate media -- which are owned by the ultra-wealthy psychopaths -- as "conspiracy theorists"?Nov 15 18:04
cubexyzoiaohm, are people still using VMS?Nov 15 18:09
oiaohmmsb_:  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_assassinations  more interesting to read this list and see what ones don't get the news.Nov 15 18:09
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oiaohmmsb_: the USA has to be one of the most likely places to end up mixed up with an assassination.Nov 15 18:10
oiaohmcubexyz: http://www8.hp.com/au/en/products/servers/openvms/overview.html  HP would have you believe so.Nov 15 18:11
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MinceRwouldn't hp rather sell you a windows "server"?Nov 15 18:18
cubexyzI thought Itanium diedNov 15 18:19
MinceRit's pining for the fjords.Nov 15 18:19
cubexyzdon't have a clue what HP is up to these daysNov 15 18:19
cubexyzoiaohm, did you know that the source code of NT 4.0 was leaked?Nov 15 18:21
cubexyzI think there's even people building itNov 15 18:21
cubexyzhttp://www.maxhost.org/other/nt-os2.pngNov 15 18:41
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cubexyza pity all modern OSes are so complexNov 15 18:45
MinceRaccording to deadrat propaganda, "modern" implies complexNov 15 18:46
MinceRif it's not too complex to work, it's not "modern"Nov 15 18:47
schestowitzcomplex means you need red hat supportNov 15 18:56
schestowitzso you buy licensed red hatNov 15 18:57
schestowitzand you get access to their devsNov 15 18:57
schestowitzfor features, support etc.Nov 15 18:57
schestowitzand there's no way to swap broken bitsNov 15 18:57
schestowitzto solve issuesNov 15 18:57
schestowitzbecause it's just redhat's way (systemd) or the bsd wayNov 15 18:57
schestowitzthat is at least how i typically view itNov 15 18:57
schestowitzgives them leverage over support contracts, which is how they make moneyNov 15 18:58
schestowitzadvantage over canonical/ubuntu/debian right thereNov 15 18:58
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schestowitzcalling it "free software" is a convenient way to get kdbus etc. into the coreNov 15 18:58
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oiaohmcubexyz: Windows 2000 and NT source code leaked.Nov 15 18:59
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MinceRand it's uselessNov 15 19:03
MinceRand crapNov 15 19:03
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cubexyzI don't use Fedora much any moreNov 15 19:07
cubexyzold Fedora like FC1 yes, I still use thatNov 15 19:08
cubexyzone only has software freedom if they have the source code, that much is certainNov 15 19:10
oiaohmIts not just having the source code.Nov 15 19:11
cubexyzbut I've warned people not to get too lazy or too dependent on any one distroNov 15 19:11
oiaohmYou do need the right to rebuild the source code as well.Nov 15 19:11
cubexyzyes that is trueNov 15 19:11
oiaohmnow there are devices out there with full source code yet even you rebuild the source code you cannot install it because you don't have the signing key.Nov 15 19:12
oiaohmsource code is a good starting point.Nov 15 19:12
cubexyzjust remove the bits that check for the key :)Nov 15 19:12
oiaohmcubexyz: not possible some micro processors only take correctly signed firmwares.Nov 15 19:13
cubexyzthat's why having firmware source code is so liberatingNov 15 19:13
oiaohmAnd if the signed firmwares demard signed OS you are kinda screwed.Nov 15 19:13
cubexyzthe source code can't defend itselfNov 15 19:14
cubexyzone can modify itNov 15 19:15
oiaohmBut the hardware can.Nov 15 19:15
oiaohmIts like current day nvidia video cards.Nov 15 19:15
oiaohmYes you can access the source code of the firmware but the hardware only accepts signed.Nov 15 19:15
cubexyzwhat hardware is this?Nov 15 19:16
oiaohmParticular arm cpu's.  current generation Nvidia GPU,s and the list goes on.Nov 15 19:17
oiaohmOlder Nvidia gpus you could build the firmware for the GPU from source and use it.Nov 15 19:18
cubexyzthat really does sound like the war on general computingNov 15 19:19
MinceRthus ends the age of the general-purpose computerNov 15 19:19
cubexyzwell, it does end it... but it makes me very wary to be sureNov 15 19:19
cubexyzs/does/doesn't/Nov 15 19:19
cubexyzafter all, all the pre-locked down hardware still existsNov 15 19:20
oiaohmhttp://www.slideshare.net/codeblue_jp/igor-skochinsky-enpub   This is extreamly fun.Nov 15 19:20
cubexyzstuff like this makes me want to buy a microvax or somethingNov 15 19:20
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oiaohmMost people are not aware the ME chip can in fact delete all connected harddrives.Nov 15 19:21
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cubexyzoiaohm, when did ME first appear?Nov 15 19:23
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cubexyzand I assume there's a way to turn it offNov 15 19:24
oiaohmNo ME chip no computer boot.Nov 15 19:25
MinceRmakes me glad there's no ME in the raspberry pi :>Nov 15 19:25
oiaohmME chip appears when we get Processor chips needing microcode to work.Nov 15 19:25
cubexyzok, let me put this another way...Nov 15 19:27
oiaohmChromium Embedded Controller (EC) Development  is what google uses instead of Intel ME.Nov 15 19:27
cubexyzhow far back does one need to go to avoid Intel ME chip?Nov 15 19:27
cubexyzP4? P3? Pentium Pro?Nov 15 19:28
oiaohmME chip starts as a power management chip doing acpi.Nov 15 19:28
cubexyzor would you recommend switching to AMD as an alternative?Nov 15 19:28
MinceRthe slideshow says the ME was originally on the network cardNov 15 19:29
oiaohmMinceR: that is correct.    acpi 1996 is when it appears as part of motherboards.Nov 15 19:31
cubexyzok, I have one chromebookNov 15 19:31
cubexyzat least the google people are working with the coreboot people, that's somethingNov 15 19:32
MinceRlooks like the rpi2 is easily more powerful than the last intel cpu you could use without an MENov 15 19:32
MinceRi wonder what's up on the AMD side, thoughNov 15 19:32
oiaohmME/EC/something.Nov 15 19:33
oiaohmI cannot remember what AMD one is called.Nov 15 19:33
cubexyzthere's that DASH thing Nov 15 19:33
cubexyzAMD has a version of itNov 15 19:33
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cubexyzwhat exactly is the ME chip?Nov 15 19:34
cubexyzis it inside the CPU?Nov 15 19:35
MinceRwell, the slideshow says it was part of stuff that became the northbridgeNov 15 19:35
MinceRand apparently cpus with integrated gpus tend to have all the northbridge functionality built-inNov 15 19:36
MinceRbut i don't really knowNov 15 19:36
MinceRactually it says it was moved to PCH and then MCHNov 15 19:37
MinceRhttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Platform_Controller_HubNov 15 19:37
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MinceRthis looks like it _might_ be outside the cpuNov 15 19:37
cubexyzthe thing is, I remember that older motherboards didn't even have ACPI... they had APM I thinkNov 15 19:38
MinceRand there were mainboards before APM even existed :>Nov 15 19:38
cubexyzI assume if one has a computer with APM then they don't have the Intel ME stuffNov 15 19:38
oiaohmcubexyz: ME chip is a physical chip on the motherboard outside the CPUNov 15 19:38
MinceRand then wikipedia redirects from MCH to northbridgeNov 15 19:38
cubexyzconfusingNov 15 19:38
MinceRindeedNov 15 19:38
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oiaohmMinceR: Its not in the  Platform Controller Hub Nov 15 19:39
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oiaohmMinceR: remember CE by google in chromebooks is used to replace the ME chip with code Google trusts.Nov 15 19:39
MinceRthen slide 4 is wrong :>Nov 15 19:40
MinceRicNov 15 19:40
MinceRand what sort of nastiness does google's version contain?Nov 15 19:40
cubexyzI think even the zaurus had acpiNov 15 19:40
oiaohmMinceR: google gives you the complete source code.Nov 15 19:41
cubexyzEC code is in corebootNov 15 19:41
cubexyzyou need that for any laptop (I think)Nov 15 19:41
oiaohmhttps://www.chromium.org/chromium-os/ec-developmentNov 15 19:43
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oiaohmcubexyz: EC code for chromebooks is hosted in github.Nov 15 19:43
oiaohmAs well as googles own storage.Nov 15 19:44
oiaohmcubexyz: issue here is intel ME is signed these days.Nov 15 19:44
oiaohmSo you cannot use your own but have to use intel own made versions.Nov 15 19:44
oiaohmThe result due to bugs in intel own ME code was google made ECNov 15 19:45
oiaohmMinceR: google version stock does not contain the nasties Intel ME code does.   Like Google EC no build in anti-theif tech to trigger system todo nasty things to itself.Nov 15 19:47
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oiaohmMinceR: google with their EC and firmware uses physical hardware  read only switch methods as protection instead of signing.Nov 15 19:52
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oiaohmMinceR: so people with direct access to hardware and a tollerance to do phsysical modification can run their own versions.Nov 15 19:52
cubexyzyes, we can build are own firmwareNov 15 19:53
cubexyzs/are/our/Nov 15 19:53
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MinceRso i can use the last thinkpad x-series with legacy boot until chromebooks exceed it in power :>Nov 15 19:53
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oiaohmThe problem I have is signed firmware is to allow vendor to update the firmware securely without requiring user todo anything.Nov 15 19:55
oiaohmbut its like all things who holds the keys decides how safe you are.Nov 15 19:55
oiaohmPersonally I believe any hardware you own.   You should have the means to replace signing keys with your own keys if you wish of course hardware maker should have right to void warnatiy if you do.Nov 15 19:57
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cubexyzbut google did use coreboot as a starting point for their bios?Nov 15 20:15
oiaohmTrue yes google core firmware is related to coreboot.Nov 15 20:17
oiaohmCoreboot can used Intel ME stuff.Nov 15 20:17
oiaohmReally there is very little reason for bios code to be that hidden.Nov 15 20:18
oiaohmOr init hardware code to be that hidden.Nov 15 20:18
cubexyzha, name one computer than comes with BIOS source codeNov 15 20:18
oiaohmIts not like the code is any use without the physical hardware.Nov 15 20:18
oiaohmcubexyz: chromebooks.Nov 15 20:18
cubexyzI don't think I've ever seen even oneNov 15 20:18
cubexyzoiaohm, git checkout maybe, but on the SSD? noNov 15 20:19
cubexyza minor quibbleNov 15 20:20
oiaohmDeveloper edition chromebooks that google has handed out.Nov 15 20:20
oiaohmCame with a DVD with the source code on it.Nov 15 20:20
oiaohmFunny was the machine as no DVD drive.Nov 15 20:20
cubexyzthat is funnyNov 15 20:20
cubexyzbut I assume one could buy a USB DVD driveNov 15 20:21
oiaohmThe killer is the kernel in that chromebook had been build without the cd/dvd driverNov 15 20:22
oiaohmSo even pluging in a USB DVD drive was a no go.Nov 15 20:22
cubexyzso there's no chromebook with a DVD drive?Nov 15 20:22
oiaohmcubexyz: no chromebook with build in DVD driveNov 15 20:23
oiaohmOf course newer editions of the firmware now do include the driver so you can use a usb dvd drive.Nov 15 20:24
cubexyzdoes google update the kernel remotely?Nov 15 20:25
cubexyzI mean they probably could...Nov 15 20:25
oiaohmchromebooks do get software updates include kernels.Nov 15 20:26
cubexyzI don't suppose I could boot into a live cd on a chromebookNov 15 20:26
oiaohmlive usb yesNov 15 20:27
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oiaohmcubexyz: http://www.pcworld.com/article/2873561/google-just-made-it-easier-to-run-linux-on-your-chromebook.htmlNov 15 20:33
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oiaohmStill I find it annoying that a chromebook cannot boot usb without enabling developer mode.Nov 15 20:33
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cubexyzdoesn't surprise meNov 15 20:34
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TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     CentOS-Based SME Server 9.1 RC1 Is Out, AddsNov 15 20:34
cubexyzha, I was just reading that articleNov 15 20:34
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cubexyzknow know oiaohm, one thing I found interesting was the short gap of time between windows 2000 and windows xpNov 15 21:47
cubexyzwin2k was released in dec 1999Nov 15 21:47
cubexyzwinxp was oct 2001Nov 15 21:48
cubexyznot even 2 years laterNov 15 21:48
cubexyzthen 5 years later Visa comes outNov 15 21:48
cubexyzI stopped using windows a long time ago... around 2003Nov 15 22:04
cubexyzone thing I've noticed is that it's become a rather heavy OSNov 15 22:04
cubexyzalways bogged down with anti-virus and whatever svchost.exe doesNov 15 22:07
MinceRhttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Svchost.exeNov 15 22:09
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-en.wikipedia.org | svchost.exe - Wikipedia, the free encyclopediaNov 15 22:09
MinceRyet another in a long series of braindead hacks to work around design flawsNov 15 22:09
cubexyzdid NT 4.0 have svchost.exe?Nov 15 22:10
MinceR svchost process was introduced in Windows 2000,[5] although the underlying support for shared service processes has existed since Windows NT 3.1.[2]Nov 15 22:10
MinceRs/^/The/Nov 15 22:10
cubexyzok, so noNov 15 22:10
MinceRi really hate programs that decide that doubleclick-drag select starts in a different position when you're not lookingNov 15 22:10
MinceRi can't fathom what this braindead behavior is possibly useful for, other than screwing with the userNov 15 22:11
cubexyzwhat are you trying to do?Nov 15 22:11
MinceRi tried to copy that sentence from iceweasel, including "The "Nov 15 22:11
MinceRand when i was selecting the end of the sentence, it decided it will leave "The" out of the selection because fuck meNov 15 22:12
MinceRand it can't even be reproduced reliablyNov 15 22:12
MinceRwhat a load of shitNov 15 22:12
cubexyzsometimes clipboarding from the text console can be problematicNov 15 22:13
cubexyze.g. from within vimNov 15 22:13
MinceRi pretty much only use the text console for troubleshootingNov 15 22:14
cubexyzI don't think firefox has a clipboarding problem thoughNov 15 22:14
MinceRand in the future, probably for logging in, startx and maybe vlockNov 15 22:14
cubexyzthe odd thing is when I'm sshing into another system and then using vim clipboarding worksNov 15 22:15
cubexyzit's only when I'm trying to use the local system that it's a bit awkwardNov 15 22:15
MinceRwhat is the symptom you experience?Nov 15 22:17
cubexyzit's a very minor quibble reallyNov 15 22:18
cubexyzwhen I'm in X, I have a habit of highlighting then right-clicking then copyNov 15 22:19
cubexyzbut really I don't need to Nov 15 22:19
cubexyzso it's just that in vim the process feels differentNov 15 22:19
MinceRdoes it have mouse support?Nov 15 22:19
cubexyzthere's no drag of the lighted area in vimNov 15 22:20
cubexyzit just lights up at the end... it's just a minor differenceNov 15 22:20
cubexyzMinceR, yesNov 15 22:20
MinceRmaybe that's what's interferingNov 15 22:21
MinceRhave you tried holding shift while you do the whole selection thing?Nov 15 22:21
cubexyzthe copy part is really superfluousNov 15 22:21
cubexyzno, it _works_ it just felt different :)Nov 15 22:22
MinceR:)Nov 15 22:22
MinceRi think the right click thing was meant to be used with a left click to set the other end of the regionNov 15 22:22
cubexyzthe thing is the gradually hilight works as expected when I'm sshing into another computer so the local vim highlighting feels differentNov 15 22:23
cubexyzit's a subtle thingNov 15 22:23
cubexyze.g. cursor is at end of line, hold down left-mouse button drag...Nov 15 22:24
cubexyzit's instanta-highlighted at the end of the processNov 15 22:24
cubexyznot gradual... how is that for picky? :)Nov 15 22:24
cubexyzprobaby why windows users don't like Linux, it's different enough to bug themNov 15 22:25
cubexyzone customer is completely awed by my use of the command lineNov 15 22:25
cubexyzit's like the 4th dimension to him or somethingNov 15 22:26
cubexyzhe's like... to you think I could learn the command line?Nov 15 22:26
cubexyzs/to/do/Nov 15 22:26
cubexyzI live at the command line a lot, but I can see that's atypicalNov 15 22:27
cubexyzand once I showed them BIOS source code... it was too much for them to handleNov 15 22:28
cubexyzI think one really does develop stronger mental abilities when using Linux/BSD compared to dumbed-down windows and macNov 15 22:30
cubexyzok, here is why I am on the console so much:Nov 15 22:31
cubexyzhttp://www.maxhost.org/other/konsole-command-central.pngNov 15 22:31
cubexyzI'm controlling a bunch of computers via sshNov 15 22:32
cubexyzI got q4os for trinity, openbsd for bsd, server for old fedora, and vector for vector linuxNov 15 22:33
cubexyzacer is another laptop for extra storageNov 15 22:33
MinceRor one needs to stop being afraid of technology and start being willing to learnNov 15 22:34
cubexyzI fixed my first microwave oven this year :)Nov 15 22:34
MinceRpeople use their most complex, most powerful machinery and expect to do so without learning anything about how to use it whatsoeverNov 15 22:34
cubexyzrightNov 15 22:35
cubexyzjust like we are lacking in botanical knowledge since we often buy processed foodNov 15 22:42
cubexyzor even worse, fast foodNov 15 22:42
MinceRdunno, my food is pretty slow when it's on my plate :>Nov 15 22:43
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TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     GNOME's Nautilus File Manager Now Shows SDNov 15 22:56
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oiaohmcubexyz reason for the short gap between 2000 and XP is the fact windows ME was not meant to exist and it was the compadiblity system on 2000 that required a rework.  XP contains the reworked version.Nov 15 23:38
oiaohmcubexyz: if you want short development Windows ME goes from no existing product to shelfs to on sale in 8 months kinda explains why it was such a lemon.Nov 15 23:43
cubexyzwhat was the idea behind windows me? It seemed uselessNov 15 23:52
cubexyzwhy bother with ME at all when one could just use win2k?Nov 15 23:57
cubexyzI guess it was sort of a stop gap between win2k and xpNov 15 23:59
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oiaohmcubexyz: Windows ME was attempted stop gap.   Windows 2000 was meant to be able to run everything.   Problem is lot of old 95-98 programs would not run under 2000.  So not to loss market ME was made.Nov 16 01:24
oiaohmcubexyz: really Microsoft should have just made Windows SE with a few more seviece packs until XP release.Nov 16 01:24
oiaohmie SE Windows 98 second edition.Nov 16 01:24
oiaohmWhat broke ME was attempting to take features from 2000 and have them run on a 9x system.Nov 16 01:25
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TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     4MLinux 15.0 GNU/Linux Distribution is Now inNov 16 04:31
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schestowitz[06:19] <cubexyz> cdNov 16 05:26
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TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     The great game of open source hide and seekNov 16 06:45
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TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     Red Hat News https://t.co/GOfuVp7rF0Nov 16 06:45
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TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     CHIP is the cheaper competitor to the RasberryNov 16 08:10
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r_schestowitztwo new people started following me today, both women, both work for red hat, both marketingNov 16 12:41
r_schestowitzso i have a theory about why..Nov 16 12:41
r_schestowitzmaybe they talk about techrights at the officesNov 16 12:41
r_schestowitztheir engineers check my profile in linkedin tooNov 16 12:41
r_schestowitzand they'll try to sweet-talk me into being nice to red hatNov 16 12:42
r_schestowitzwe shall seeNov 16 12:42
MinceRor something more sinisterNov 16 12:44
r_schestowitzunlikelyNov 16 12:45
r_schestowitzyou read my articlesNov 16 12:45
r_schestowitzyou also saw some internal comms with themNov 16 12:45
r_schestowitzthey probably worry I'll set up a petitionNov 16 12:46
r_schestowitzor talk to RMS about itNov 16 12:46
r_schestowitz(which might happen soon anyway)Nov 16 12:46
r_schestowitzthey saw what I did to Novell a decade agoNov 16 12:46
r_schestowitzit helped red hat a lot at the timeNov 16 12:46
r_schestowitzand some big employees of their supported me in the sense that they linked to itNov 16 12:47
MinceRwell, it would be nice if RMS returned to free softwareNov 16 12:49
r_schestowitzwell...Nov 16 12:49
r_schestowitzthat's a whole another subjectNov 16 12:49
r_schestowitzand would include speaking out about systemdNov 16 12:49
r_schestowitzHis and his satellites receive money from Red HatNov 16 12:50
r_schestowitzso risky to criticiseNov 16 12:50
r_schestowitzthey hardly did much to criticise Novell, eitherNov 16 12:50
r_schestowitzand worse so with the Linux FoundationNov 16 12:50
MinceRbut at least they did somethingNov 16 12:50
r_schestowitzvery much in bed with NovellNov 16 12:50
r_schestowitzand increasingly with MS tooNov 16 12:50
MinceRnow they just pretend free software was just open source all alongNov 16 12:50
r_schestowitzhttps://twitter.com/cmal_PP/status/666310855945003008Nov 16 12:54
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@cmal_PP: @schestowitz WTF? What the hell is wrong with you for sharing such racist and misogynist bullshit?Nov 16 12:54
r_schestowitzI don't think some people get the point of it. It's criticism of censorship or bogus 'free speech'Nov 16 12:54
r_schestowitzMinceR: is that right? The cartoon?Nov 16 12:56
r_schestowitzOr did I too misinterpret it?Nov 16 12:56
MinceRit hurts the SJWsNov 16 12:56
MinceRas it shouldNov 16 12:57
r_schestowitzAh,  I saw it differentlyNov 16 12:57
r_schestowitzBut I generally support some of these causesNov 16 12:57
r_schestowitzI don't think they need a "free speech" zoneNov 16 12:57
r_schestowitznor should they infiltrate FOSSNov 16 12:57
TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     Compilers https://t.co/N03NlV92MTNov 16 13:12
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Compilers | Tux MachinesNov 16 13:12
TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     Hyperdrive Massacre, A Local MultiplayerNov 16 13:12
TweetTuxMachines                 Frag-fest Now On SteamOS & LinuxNov 16 13:12
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TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     Age Of Fear: The Undead King & Age Of Fear 2:Nov 16 13:32
TweetTuxMachines                 The Chaos Lord Now On SteamOS & LinuxNov 16 13:32
TweetTuxMachines                 https://t.co/6iAkd7HFdn (www.gamingonlinux.com)Nov 16 13:32
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TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     Linux Mint 17.3 beta is out, but noNov 16 13:32
TweetTuxMachines                 announcement in the site yet.Nov 16 13:32
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TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     Screenlocker integration in KWin WaylandNov 16 13:32
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.gamingonlinux.com | Age Of Fear: The Undead King & Age Of Fear 2: The Chaos Lord Now On SteamOS & Linux | GamingOnLinuxNov 16 13:32
TweetTuxMachines                 https://t.co/C3aIxXQal2 (bhush9.github.io)Nov 16 13:32
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-bhush9.github.io | Screenlocker integration in KWin WaylandNov 16 13:32
r_schestowitzhttps://twitter.com/agente_smithe/status/666322532556013568Nov 16 13:33
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@agente_smithe: @schestowitz Oh, boy, and I thought it was more things related to Paris attacks... ;-DNov 16 13:33
TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     StarBreak, A Co-op Roguelike MMO ActionNov 16 13:39
TweetTuxMachines                 Platformer Coming To LinuxNov 16 13:39
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.gamingonlinux.com | StarBreak, A Co-op Roguelike MMO Action Platformer Coming To Linux | GamingOnLinuxNov 16 13:39
TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     FortressCraft Evolved Exits Early Access,Nov 16 13:39
TweetTuxMachines                 SteamOS & Linux Now Fully Supported, But BuggyNov 16 13:39
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TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     My mom requests a Linux computerNov 16 13:39
TweetTuxMachines                  https://t.co/Wql2LGHgKr (opensource.com)Nov 16 13:39
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-opensource.com | My Linux Story: David Both's mother | Opensource.comNov 16 13:39
TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     "This malware relies on a security hole in theNov 16 13:53
TweetTuxMachines                 Magento web e-commerce platform, not Linux."Nov 16 13:53
TweetTuxMachines                 https://t.co/v4Vrv5miRl (www.zdnet.com)Nov 16 13:53
TweetTuxMachines                 exactly!Nov 16 13:53
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.zdnet.com | ​How to easily defeat Linux Encoder ransomware | ZDNetNov 16 13:53
TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     Rancher Corrals Docker Containers Nov 16 13:53
TweetTuxMachines                 https://t.co/P2y9GZbo15 (www.serverwatch.com)Nov 16 13:53
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.serverwatch.com | Rancher Corrals Docker ContainersNov 16 13:53
TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     Minibian "Jessie" Is a Small and Powerful OSNov 16 13:53
TweetTuxMachines                 for All Existing Raspberry Pi VersionsNov 16 13:53
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-news.softpedia.com | Minibian "Jessie" Is a Small and Powerful OS for All Existing Raspberry Pi Versions - SoftpediaNov 16 13:53
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TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     My mom requests a Linux computerNov 16 13:54
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | My mom requests a Linux computer | Tux MachinesNov 16 13:54
TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     How to easily defeat Linux Encoder ransomwareNov 16 13:54
TweetTuxMachines                 https://t.co/URYdHHkjOn (www.tuxmachines.org)Nov 16 13:54
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | ​How to easily defeat Linux Encoder ransomware | Tux MachinesNov 16 13:54
TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     Linux: Kernel, Foundation/OpenHPCNov 16 13:54
TweetTuxMachines                 https://t.co/8xobgQjP5M (www.tuxmachines.org)Nov 16 13:54
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Linux: Kernel, Foundation/OpenHPC | Tux MachinesNov 16 13:54
TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     Minibian "Jessie" Is a Small and Powerful OSNov 16 13:55
TweetTuxMachines                 for All Existing Raspberry Pi VersionsNov 16 13:55
TweetTuxMachines                 https://t.co/ASjvj76jQJ (www.tuxmachines.org)Nov 16 13:55
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Minibian "Jessie" Is a Small and Powerful OS for All Existing Raspberry Pi Versions | Tux MachinesNov 16 13:55
TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     Distros News https://t.co/RFmAW1paJKNov 16 13:55
TweetTuxMachines                 (www.tuxmachines.org)Nov 16 13:55
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Distros News | Tux MachinesNov 16 13:55
*TweetTuxMachines @softpedialinux favourited 'Minibian "Jessie" Is a Small and Powerful OS...'Nov 16 14:34
TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     Valve Brings Open Source Steam Machine GamingNov 16 14:34
TweetTuxMachines                 Consoles to Market https://t.co/cMh3UBLtFNNov 16 14:34
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-thevarguy.com | Valve Brings Open Source Steam Machine Gaming Consoles to Market | Open Source Application Software Companies content from The VAR GuyNov 16 14:34
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r_schestowitzhttps://twitter.com/retroDoomer/status/666332379473055744Nov 16 14:42
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@retroDoomer: @schestowitz err.... Pardon? Seriously?Nov 16 14:42
r_schestowitzDoesn't bode well with the patent agreementNov 16 14:42
r_schestowitzhttps://twitter.com/retroDoomer/status/666333406834245632Nov 16 14:43
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@retroDoomer: @golbigboss another one, along with Origin PC. https://t.co/jIH4A2rwhqNov 16 14:43
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz: Is the #fud against #steamos working? https://t.co/W5lqZBnkLc https://t.co/HCwN5pwkxYNov 16 14:43
TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     Top Challenges for Desktop LinuxNov 16 14:43
TweetTuxMachines                 https://t.co/pEKCMUrgry (www.datamation.com)Nov 16 14:43
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.datamation.com | Top Challenges for Desktop Linux - DatamationNov 16 14:43
TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     My Thoughts On SteamOS After Some Time With ItNov 16 14:43
TweetTuxMachines                 https://t.co/q5mRpC9Qsk (www.gamingonlinux.com)Nov 16 14:43
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.gamingonlinux.com | My Thoughts On SteamOS After Some Time With It | GamingOnLinuxNov 16 14:43
r_schestowitzhttps://joindiaspora.com/posts/6822150Nov 16 15:29
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: "Palm oil and paper pulp companies illegally set fire to forests to clear land" http://phys.org/news/2015-11-vast-forest-indonesia-spawn-ecological.html #indonesia (and S.E.A.) meets #capitalismNov 16 15:29
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TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     Links 16/11/2015: Linux 4.4 RC1, DockerConEUNov 16 15:31
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r_schestowitzhttps://twitter.com/retroDoomer/status/666365500159455232Nov 16 16:23
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@retroDoomer: @schestowitz not at all.Nov 16 16:23
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TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     CoreOS and Docker https://t.co/HFXBtPvaqONov 16 16:37
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amarsh04just an observation - if you are regularly building Linus' git head kernels for better support of new hardware, try to also test the kernels with the oldest hardware that you are running. Sometimes old things that worked break with new releases and the sooner that the problem is reported, the less broken code remainsNov 16 17:09
schestowitzStill waiting for answers from Red Hat  http://techrights.org/2015/11/16/microsoft-and-redhat-deal/Nov 16 17:12
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Red Hat-Microsoft Deal Increasingly Resembles Novell-Microsoft Deal (Including Patent Aspects) | Techrights [ http://ur1.ca/oa0l9 ]Nov 16 17:12
schestowitzJan: "Funny thing is I don't remember you being that fanatic about the Novell or Canonical deal with Microsoft."Nov 16 17:33
schestowitzI did write about it critically, but there was no patent aspect involved. The patent aspect is the main contention point.Nov 16 17:33
schestowitzhttps://twitter.com/drtocqueville/status/666384735975927809Nov 16 17:49
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@drtocqueville: @rj_gallagher @schestowitz https://t.co/pSZDlAATWwNov 16 17:49
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@drtocqueville: @rj_gallagher @schestowitz https://t.co/pSZDlAATWwNov 16 17:49
schestowitzhttps://twitter.com/nedlyx/status/666385403113525248Nov 16 17:49
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@nedlyx: A Y F K M ? thanks I won't expect any thanks in return! https://t.co/02vj3aWRLVNov 16 17:49
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz: Just like Bali, Boston, Madrid, London, NYC, etc. https://t.co/JWUz0MRSlT always blame your critic?Nov 16 17:49
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cubexyzok, that felt like a router attackNov 16 18:18
cubexyzoiaohm, I would suggest making some notes on how to minimize the memory footprint of DebianNov 16 18:19
cubexyzcould be interestingNov 16 18:20
cubexyzfor example I have a script that knocks out some LKM's I don't useNov 16 18:21
oiaohmcubexyz: https://www.debian.org/releases/jessie/amd64/ch03s04.html.en  I am not exactly doing anything that special to it.Nov 16 18:21
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-SSL connect error ( status 0 @ https://www.debian.org/releases/jessie/amd64/ch03s04.html.en )Nov 16 18:21
oiaohm128 is debian min so it abused the hell out of swap.Nov 16 18:22
cubexyze.g. I never need the standard Hot Plug PCI controller driver Nov 16 18:22
cubexyzor nfsdNov 16 18:22
cubexyzor bluetooth :)Nov 16 18:22
schestowitzJan: "Yawn. We made a GPL compliant deal. Carlo said so. Canonical and Novell never said that. But you insist on us sharing. While you let the others get away with whatever deal. And you say WE have something to hide? While you happily admit you never asked THEM?"Nov 16 18:22
schestowitz"And in all three cases you never asked Microsoft?"Nov 16 18:22
oiaohmcubexyz: fairly much the 233 is running standard debian with limited services list and very light X11 if X11 at all.Nov 16 18:23
cubexyzvery light X11?Nov 16 18:23
schestowitz" Carlo said so" doesn't say much because judging by the FAQ it doesn't extend to other players. Canonical said nothing about patents and Novell did something far worse.Nov 16 18:23
oiaohmcubexyz: very light skip windows manager use a terminal.Nov 16 18:24
oiaohmcubexyz: as I said I keep the 233 around for fun not as recommended usage.Nov 16 18:24
cubexyzLinux can run in 16 megs :)Nov 16 18:25
cubexyzbut not DebianNov 16 18:25
cubexyzhttp://www.maxhost.org/other/linux-486.jpgNov 16 18:25
cubexyzI used to think that 9 megs on my Amiga was a lot of memoryNov 16 18:27
oiaohmMy KDE desktop eats up 2 to 3 G of ram.Nov 16 18:28
cubexyzmemory minimization is a hobby of mineNov 16 18:29
oiaohmReally 128 at 233 mhz is the slowest and smallest ram I deal wth.Nov 16 18:29
oiaohmOther than really small like adlrenoNov 16 18:30
oiaohmOpps arduino Nov 16 18:31
oiaohmI guess you would not go for the insane of booting Linux on a 8bit cpu by emularting a 32 bit one cubexyzNov 16 18:31
MinceRi hope the GPLv3 will screw deadratNov 16 18:31
cubexyzI wrote up some notes here:Nov 16 18:31
MinceRwith their patent dealNov 16 18:32
cubexyzhttp://www.maxhost.org/other/low-memory-os.txtNov 16 18:32
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cubexyz:1Nov 16 18:33
cubexyzsorry, error... 2.11BSD doesn't use 16 megs :)Nov 16 18:33
cubexyzhttp://www.maxhost.org/other/low-memory-os.txtNov 16 18:34
cubexyzcorrected... 2.11BSD uses 4 megs of ramNov 16 18:34
cubexyzemulated PDP-11/73Nov 16 18:35
cubexyz22-bit physical address spaceNov 16 18:35
cubexyzoiaohm, no... I programmed 8-bit machines enough to know not to try running Unix on themNov 16 18:36
cubexyz8-bit architecture can't handle UnixNov 16 18:37
cubexyzPDP-11/20 is the historical minimum...Nov 16 18:38
cubexyza rough progression would be:Nov 16 18:39
cubexyzPDP-7 -> PDP-11/20 -> PDP-11/40 -> PDP-11/45 -> PDP-11/70 -> Vax 11/780Nov 16 18:40
cubexyzcomparatively speaking 128 megs is a huge memory spaceNov 16 18:45
cubexyzit's only because of all the eye candy and web browser bloat that gigabytes of memory are "necessary"Nov 16 18:47
cubexyzI'm still not sure what all the LKMs do in FC1 even after 11 years of studyNov 16 18:48
cubexyzthe problem I find nowadays is higher resolution pictures and videoNov 16 18:53
cubexyzthere's no getting around that... higher res stuff needs more memoryNov 16 18:54
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TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     Nation Red, A Highly Rated Arena-basedNov 16 19:02
TweetTuxMachines                 Zombie-infested Shooter Looks Like It's ComingNov 16 19:02
TweetTuxMachines                 To SteamOS & Linux https://t.co/NWN8siUwBMNov 16 19:02
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.gamingonlinux.com | Nation Red, A Highly Rated Arena-based Zombie-infested Shooter Looks Like It's Coming To SteamOS & Linux | GamingOnLinuxNov 16 19:02
schestowitz[23:03] <oiaohm> cubexyz: the worse I have is a 233 pent with 128 megs of ram.Nov 16 19:20
schestowitzhas it now worn out yet?Nov 16 19:20
cubexyzthe lifespan of semiconductors is an open questionNov 16 19:20
cubexyzif the electrolyte in the capacitors is durable enough... a motherboard can certainly last beyond 20 yearsNov 16 19:21
cubexyzthe idea that motherboards last '5 years or less' is bogusNov 16 19:24
cubexyzof course some selectivity is necessary to buy decent hardwareNov 16 19:24
cubexyzworking PDP-11s could be over 40 years old nowNov 16 19:26
cubexyzcertainly the idea that more than 128 megs of ram is necessary for basic things like checking emails, word processing, using a spreadsheet is incorrectNov 16 19:29
schestowitzJan, red hat: "But you let them get away while we should somehow share everything with you? Sounds fair, I guess ;-)"Nov 16 19:29
schestowitzWho's "them"? Canonical? Novell was open about it, but it was a really terrible thing. Canonical said nothing about patents...Nov 16 19:29
cubexyzby all means criticize Microsoft :)Nov 16 19:30
schestowitzmy desktop from 2008 sort of died recently, sort of...Nov 16 19:30
schestowitzI can't seem to get it startedNov 16 19:30
schestowitzI ejected fans, memory sticks, etc.Nov 16 19:30
schestowitzand I can't figure out why it died after POSTNov 16 19:31
schestowitzsometimes doesn't even get to POSTNov 16 19:31
schestowitzthe fan doesn't seem to be the issueNov 16 19:31
schestowitztwo fans always running fineNov 16 19:31
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schestowitzesp. if I remove all the RAM, they just beep endlessly, no shutdownNov 16 19:31
cubexyztry the simplest thing first: compressed air and give it a good cleaningNov 16 19:31
TweetTuxMachines                 an Important Kernel UpdateNov 16 19:31
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TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     UUMATE Is a Respin of Ubuntu MATE 15.10 ThatNov 16 19:31
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schestowitzI already cleaned it as much as I couldNov 16 19:32
cubexyzdirty memory sockets can preventing bootingNov 16 19:32
MinceRcan compressed air spinning the fans cause electrical damage?Nov 16 19:32
schestowitzstill work in progress, I lost another old machine earlier this yearNov 16 19:32
schestowitzand I think it died for good when there was a loud bangNov 16 19:32
cubexyzare you using UPS with these computers?Nov 16 19:32
schestowitznoNov 16 19:32
schestowitzI also tried swapping cables etc,.Nov 16 19:32
cubexyzany visible damage on the board?Nov 16 19:34
cubexyzbad caps, burning smell...Nov 16 19:34
cubexyzbulging caps is a clear sign they are badNov 16 19:35
cubexyzMinceR, you could hold the fans still if you were using compressed air on the fanNov 16 19:38
*TweetTuxMachines @softpedialinux favourited 'UUMATE Is a Respin of Ubuntu MATE 15.10...'Nov 16 19:39
cubexyzI guess it's possible that spinning the fans too fast could damage the electronics of the fanNov 16 19:39
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-news.softpedia.com | HP Linux Imaging and Printing Driver Update with Support for Ubuntu 15.10 - SoftpediaNov 16 19:39
cubexyzI don't think fans are simple DC motors nowadaysNov 16 19:40
schestowitzJan: "Where's the Novell contract? Where's the Canonical contract? Why should we share when you let them do whatever they want? Just because we are actually saying what we did? But Canonical gets a free pass because they said nothing? That's borderline hypocrisy. You never bothered to ask? Even though Canonical is working on their phone thingy that should trigger the Microsoft Android patent stuff? Wouldn't that be an interesting question?"Nov 16 19:41
schestowitzCanonical does not appear to have spoken about patents at all, unlike Red Hat. And Novell did share a redacted deal text... just before Easter.Nov 16 19:41
schestowitzJan: "As I said. I forwarded your request. It's out if my hands."Nov 16 19:41
schestowitz"If you think your public pressure will help, go for it. I just note that Shuttleworth got the free pass."Nov 16 19:41
schestowitzMy article's about Canonical's Azure thing can easily be found in the archive for that monthNov 16 19:42
MinceRcubexyz: i do thatNov 16 19:42
MinceRi wondered if it was necessary :>Nov 16 19:42
schestowitz*articlesNov 16 19:42
cubexyzit seems plausbile you could dislodge the lubricant deep inside the fanNov 16 19:43
cubexyzprobably better to replace it with a high quality partNov 16 19:43
MinceRicNov 16 19:43
cubexyzjust like the toner cartridge in a laserjet, at some point it's better to replace a consumable item than to refill or repair itNov 16 19:44
cubexyzalthough I will say my original P3 Slot 1 CPU fans still work greatNov 16 19:45
schestowitzJan: "And bed time. It's close to 2am :-)"Nov 16 19:46
schestowitzMy Open Letter to Red Hat's CEO 8 years ago:  http://techrights.org/2007/12/21/open-letter-james-whitehurst/ "hard to name companies that have benefited from a Microsoft pact"Nov 16 19:46
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Open Letter to James Whitehurst, CEO of Red Hat | TechrightsNov 16 19:46
cubexyzI would say also that the thermal paste itself degrades in newer computersNov 16 19:48
cubexyzthe Slot 1's didn't have any thermal paste, hence it doesn't degradeNov 16 19:48
cubexyzalso the MOSFETs could go badNov 16 19:49
MinceRi can name oneNov 16 19:49
MinceRmicrosoftNov 16 19:49
cubexyzschestowitz, I would check around for local motherboard repair sitesNov 16 19:50
cubexyzthere are some really good ones out thereNov 16 19:50
cubexyzof course you could just find another NOS motherboard to match the bad oneNov 16 19:51
schestowitzhttps://twitter.com/AngelaRichter_/status/666379335499124737Nov 16 19:56
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@AngelaRichter_: #Zizek's very last words: Next time, even if it takes 10 years, Julian #Assange will join us here. https://t.co/Nwej2P3SjUNov 16 19:56
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@AngelaRichter_: #Zizek's very last words: Next time, even if it takes 10 years, Julian #Assange will join us here. https://t.co/Nwej2P3SjUNov 16 19:56
cubexyzquality motherboard + good UPS + less heat generation == longevityNov 16 19:59
cubexyzoh and buy a decent power supply :)Nov 16 19:59
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schestowitzJan: "And I tried to explain that our deal is quite different. Microsoft moved a lot in our opinion. Carlo told you as much. Forcing him to give up his client privilege is not going to work, that much I can tell. Feel free to not trust us. I did what I could. But you want more. Whatever we do, it won't be enough. But I gather that if we just kept our mouth shut about patents, you couldn't care less. As you did with Canonical. That's just Nov 16 20:06
schestowitzcrazy IMHO."Nov 16 20:06
schestowitzSo they're not planning to " give up his client privilege "Nov 16 20:07
schestowitzThat's their position thenNov 16 20:07
schestowitzprotecting secrecy of it allNov 16 20:07
schestowitzhttps://twitter.com/profBury/status/666419940510048256Nov 16 20:08
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@profBury: Did you see it? Today’s hottest tweet among people I follow https://t.co/8dtCfy68rf by @schestowitzNov 16 20:08
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights--> linkis.com | Stock Prices of Weapons Manufacturers Soaring Since Paris Attack - Linkis.comNov 16 20:08
schestowitzhttp://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/2015/11/16/jeremy-corbyn-attacked-by_n_8578184.htmlNov 16 20:09
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.huffingtonpost.co.uk | Jeremy Corbyn Attacked By Labour MPs Over His Stance On 'Shoot To Kill', 'Jihadi John', Paris Attacks And Stop The War CoalitionNov 16 20:09
MinceRsaint redhatNov 16 20:12
MinceRmy assNov 16 20:12
schestowitzJan: "You are trying to force that. Not we. We are really glad that Carlo was involved. He's one of the best. But he was not the only one. Did you ask Microsoft? Or only Tiller and Carlo?"Nov 16 20:12
schestowitzRed herring, they're not likely to communicate with me because they're secretive and the silence serves them more than "Open Organisation"Nov 16 20:13
schestowitzAlso, don't try to frame this as a personal attack from me against Piana because it's notNov 16 20:14
schestowitz"I got personal emails from Carlo. He's not happy to be put in the spotlight the way you did."Nov 16 20:16
schestowitz"He is a personal friend of mine since many years."Nov 16 20:17
schestowitz"If that's how you think you'll succeed, go for it. I cannot and don't want to help with that. That's all."Nov 16 20:17
schestowitzI made the factual statement that, for Red Hat, he and Tiller were involvedNov 16 20:17
schestowitzThey evidently consented to a secret deal, like the one signed with Acacia 2 years agoNov 16 20:18
schestowitz"I did what I could. I asked for patience while working behind the curtains. You showed me the finger by publicly demanding stuff. I pointed out that you seem to be selective. All points made b"Nov 16 20:18
schestowitz"And how did you know he was involved? Oh."Nov 16 20:18
schestowitzYou told me soNov 16 20:19
schestowitz"In private."Nov 16 20:19
schestowitzWell, some level of transparency would assist somehow, all we have not is a lousy FAQ that's more like PRNov 16 20:19
schestowitzWritten favourably, by omission, to bolster Red Hat RPNov 16 20:20
schestowitz"That's abuse of trust in my book."Nov 16 20:20
schestowitz"You took it public."Nov 16 20:20
MinceRredcrap demands to be smiled at and treated nicely while they destroy gnu/linux and vacuum the last dollars from their victimsNov 16 20:20
schestowitz"At least an FAQ. Unlike Canonical. Unlike SUSE."Nov 16 20:21
schestowitzNovell released the deal, with redactionsNov 16 20:21
schestowitz"Duh. A Red Hat written FAQ is positive towards Red Hat. Film at 11 :-)"Nov 16 20:22
schestowitz"Novell released an old deal. Not the Azure one."Nov 16 20:22
schestowitzI'm talking about the patent thingNov 16 20:22
schestowitz"Nor did anyone release their Amazon deal."Nov 16 20:22
schestowitzAmazon does not use patents versus LinuxNov 16 20:23
schestowitzIn fact, Microsoft seemingly made Amazon pay for Linux, based on a deal a few years backNov 16 20:23
schestowitz"I don't like it, trust me on that."Nov 16 20:23
schestowitz"That's business."Nov 16 20:23
schestowitz"I still happily risk being quoted, because I care about your goals."Nov 16 20:24
MinceRdestroying technology is "business"Nov 16 20:25
schestowitzyeahNov 16 20:25
schestowitzapparentlyNov 16 20:25
schestowitzif it's good for RHT shareholdersNov 16 20:25
schestowitz"I don't want to end our conversation. But I also need to keep my job ;-)"Nov 16 20:25
schestowitzI didn't quote, I named people whom I knew could be approached for answersNov 16 20:26
schestowitz"I got asked some harsh questions. I could shrug it off thus far."Nov 16 20:27
schestowitz"10 years of experience."Nov 16 20:28
schestowitzI've tracked Microsoft's patent strategy against Linux this longNov 16 20:28
schestowitzMore than full-time capacityNov 16 20:28
schestowitzalmost 20,000 articles in Boycott Novell/techrightsNov 16 20:30
schestowitzYou and I have the same goals, we just get our salaries from different places, small practical difference...Nov 16 20:32
schestowitz"But you of all people should know that a GPL compliant agreement (not a patent deal, because we don't have that) covers all users/developers of GPL licensed code."Nov 16 20:33
schestowitz"Not only Red Hat."Nov 16 20:33
schestowitz"That's what the GPL is about."Nov 16 20:33
schestowitzI can't see how the patent standstill extends to othersNov 16 20:33
schestowitzIf I look at the legalese in the GPL(v2/v3), then I'd find that such agreements would require broader coverage than just Red Hat and its customersNov 16 20:34
schestowitz"Well, ask a lawyer. I did :-)"Nov 16 20:34
schestowitzI don't know what to ask the lawyer, and here's whyNov 16 20:35
schestowitz"Yep. I would think so too."Nov 16 20:35
schestowitz"And that's all I'm going to say."Nov 16 20:35
schestowitzBecause I don't see what was signed at all, or agreed on. Tiller and Piana know...Nov 16 20:35
schestowitzA FAQ is not legal text, and it's just a surrogate that leaves room for speculationNov 16 20:36
schestowitz"And contracts between two parties are not made public. I know. Again. I don't like it. And tried a workaround. Which is now being decided."Nov 16 20:38
schestowitzThank you.Nov 16 20:38
schestowitzI thank you for all that you do, I don't blame you for what non-swpats opposers are up toNov 16 20:39
schestowitz"In 4.5 hours I need to be up again. Please excuse me while I try to get some sleep ;-)"Nov 16 20:39
schestowitz"And contracts between two parties are not made public. I know. Again. I don't like it. And tried a workaround. Which is now being decided."Nov 16 20:39
cubexyzjust remember kids:Nov 16 20:46
cubexyzhttp://www.maxhost.org/other/no-windows-10.jpgNov 16 20:47
cubexyzthe whole reset windows to a pristine state was a huge crock of shit anywaysNov 16 20:49
cubexyzUnix philsophy with plain text files for configurationNov 16 20:52
cubexyznot that registry garbageNov 16 20:52
MinceRdeadrat loves it thoughNov 16 20:53
MinceR"factory reset"Nov 16 20:53
cubexyzMicrosoft could do just about anything to their customers and they would just go "duh ok"Nov 16 20:55
MinceRwhich is exactly what's happeningNov 16 20:56
MinceRand madhat is copying themNov 16 20:56
schestowitzmadhatNov 16 20:58
schestowitzdeadratNov 16 20:58
schestowitzredcrapNov 16 20:58
schestowitzwhen's redM$?Nov 16 20:59
schestowitzOr Red Mond?Nov 16 20:59
MinceR:>Nov 16 20:59
cubexyznext week probablyNov 16 20:59
MinceRmicrosoft raleighNov 16 20:59
schestowitz!google redhat engineers redmond azureNov 16 20:59
TechrightsBot-tr[1] - Microsoft, Red Hat Collaborate To Put Linux on Azure -- Redmond ... | https://rcpmag.com/articles/2015/11/04/microsoft-red-hat-put-linux-on-azure.aspxNov 16 20:59
TechrightsBot-tr[2] - .NET Framework Dons the Red Hat with Deeper Linux Integration ... | https://visualstudiomagazine.com/articles/2015/11/04/net-framework-red-hat.aspxNov 16 20:59
TechrightsBot-tr[3] - Red Hat-Microsoft partnership means a 'co-location' of engineers ... | http://www.bizjournals.com/triangle/blog/techflash/2015/11/red-hat-microsoft-partnership-linux-azure-cloud.htmlNov 16 20:59
TechrightsBot-tr[4] - Red Hat, Microsoft Forge Wide-Ranging Cloud Partnership - eWeek | http://www.eweek.com/cloud/red-hat-microsoft-forge-wide-ranging-cloud-partnership.htmlNov 16 20:59
schestowitzsee [3]Nov 16 20:59
MinceR"engineers"Nov 16 20:59
schestowitz"where do you work?"Nov 16 20:59
schestowitzMicrosoftNov 16 20:59
schestowitz"who do you work for?"Nov 16 21:00
schestowitzRed HatNov 16 21:00
MinceR"where do you want to go today?"Nov 16 21:00
schestowitz"cool"Nov 16 21:00
cubexyza safe prediction: more new distros will appearNov 16 21:00
schestowitzyeahNov 16 21:00
schestowitzwell, red hat controlled centos nowNov 16 21:00
schestowitzthe biggest red hat cloneNov 16 21:00
schestowitzbar oracle maybeNov 16 21:00
schestowitzno betterNov 16 21:00
MinceRhow many of them will be gnu/linux distros, though?Nov 16 21:00
schestowitzhttps://joindiaspora.com/posts/6822181Nov 16 21:00
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: How the Baseless 'Terrorists Communicating Over Playstation 4' Rumor Got Started http://motherboard.vice.com/read/how-the-baseless-terrorists-communicating-over-playstation-4-rumor-got-started utter rubbish 'reporting'Nov 16 21:00
schestowitz"I bet they used sarcasm too."Nov 16 21:00
schestowitz:-)Nov 16 21:00
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights--> motherboard.vice.com | How the Baseless 'Terrorists Communicating Over Playstation 4' Rumor Got Started | MotherboardNov 16 21:00
cubexyzgnu/linux isn't abolustely critical... but their will be someNov 16 21:01
schestowitzMinceR: GNU/LennixNov 16 21:01
cubexyzabsolutelyNov 16 21:01
MinceRsystemd/GarrettuxNov 16 21:01
XFaCEschestowitz: if you read the gentoo forums, you quickly realize that the forum users are competent while the devs aren'tNov 16 21:02
XFaCEit's depressingNov 16 21:02
XFaCEsystemdthink spreadsNov 16 21:02
cubexyzDebian Wheezy -> Q4OS & AntiXNov 16 21:03
MinceRexamples?Nov 16 21:03
cubexyzalso the slackware derivativesNov 16 21:03
cubexyzI still backport to Unix v7, even v5 sometimes :)Nov 16 21:04
XFaCEMinceR: schestowitz https://forums.gentoo.org/viewtopic-p-7828070-highlight-williamh.html#7828070Nov 16 21:04
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-forums.gentoo.org | Gentoo Forums :: View topic - OpenRC 0.18 error outputsNov 16 21:04
cubexyzI assure everyone they will not go systemd :)Nov 16 21:04
XFaCE" jfranz2 ... to mount, and unmount, network filesystems (ie, NFS mounted shares, etc). I just noticed, these virtual filesytems are being umounted as part of 'netmount' ... omg. "Nov 16 21:04
XFaCEhttps://bugs.gentoo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=562668Nov 16 21:05
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-bugs.gentoo.org | Bug 562668 – sys-apps/openrc-0.18: /etc/init.d/netmount unmounts local (non-network) filesystemsNov 16 21:05
XFaCEhttps://forums.gentoo.org/viewtopic-t-1030678-highlight-williamh.htmlNov 16 21:06
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-forums.gentoo.org | Gentoo Forums :: View topic - bug in profile package.maskNov 16 21:06
cubexyzis gentoo going systemd?Nov 16 21:07
XFaCE"Nov 16 21:07
XFaCEThe initial bug,Nov 16 21:07
XFaCECode:Nov 16 21:07
XFaCE${udev_monitor}:-no}Nov 16 21:07
XFaCEis quite embarrassing, as it implies whoever committed it, both didn't spot it (howling to a shell-scripter) and worse, hadn't even tested it in the most minimal way conceivable."Nov 16 21:07
XFaCEhttps://forums.gentoo.org/viewtopic-t-1019548-highlight-williamh.htmlNov 16 21:07
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-forums.gentoo.org | Gentoo Forums :: View topic - udev-trigger failed after udev-init-scripts-28 updateNov 16 21:07
XFaCE[21:07:11]<cubexyz> is gentoo going systemd?Nov 16 21:08
XFaCEit's complicatedNov 16 21:08
XFaCEand messyNov 16 21:08
XFaCEcubexyz: I highly recommended reading the forum, it gives a good idea of the current politicsNov 16 21:11
MinceRlooks like they liked cancerd going ax crazy with unmounting they reimplemented it in netmountNov 16 21:11
XFaCErecommendNov 16 21:11
MinceRs/they/so much &/Nov 16 21:11
XFaCEMinceR: pretty muchNov 16 21:11
MinceRnetbsd and openbsd are looking better every dayNov 16 21:12
cubexyzI really liked the old days better :-/Nov 16 21:12
XFaCEand they have done other "systemd-ready" changesNov 16 21:12
XFaCEMinceR: freebsd is out?Nov 16 21:12
MinceRi don't trust them as muchNov 16 21:13
cubexyzMinceR, I found setting up a LAN with Linux and BSD machines together to be a powerful comboNov 16 21:13
cubexyzso if I am missing stuff on openbsd: ssh -XC cubeman@vector FBReaderNov 16 21:13
MinceR031156 < MinceR> s/they/so much &/Nov 16 21:14
MinceRundoNov 16 21:14
cubexyzor whatever is missingNov 16 21:14
MinceRs/they r/so much &/Nov 16 21:14
cubexyz-C for compression speeds things up a bitNov 16 21:14
MinceRcubexyz: or i could just run a gnu/linux system in a vmNov 16 21:14
cubexyzsureNov 16 21:14
cubexyzmy computers are probably too old for that thoughNov 16 21:14
amarsh04after the last motherboard and video card failure I have a secondhand motherboard for this machine that is running happily with a Radeon 9600 video card - passive cooling and vdpau accelerationNov 16 21:17
*TweetTuxMachines @softpedialinux favourited 'HP Linux Imaging and Printing Driver Update with...'Nov 16 21:21
XFaCEMinceR: bu-bu-but driversNov 16 21:22
XFaCEMinceR: what linux would you useNov 16 21:22
TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     Red Hat Enterprise Linux 5 and CentOS 5 ReceiveNov 16 21:22
TweetTuxMachines                 an Important Kernel UpdateNov 16 21:22
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Red Hat Enterprise Linux 5 and CentOS 5 Receive an Important Kernel Update | Tux MachinesNov 16 21:22
TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     Vendor Q&A Series: Mark Enzweiler, Red HatNov 16 21:22
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TweetTuxMachines........................................  http://ur1.ca/oa1qkNov 16 21:22
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Vendor Q&A Series: Mark Enzweiler, Red Hat | Tux MachinesNov 16 21:22
MinceRXFaCE: dunnoNov 16 21:22
TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     UUMATE Is a Respin of Ubuntu MATE 15.10 ThatNov 16 21:22
TweetTuxMachines                 Aims to be Better - VideoNov 16 21:22
TweetTuxMachines                 https://t.co/xrpxtNr1KF (www.tuxmachines.org)Nov 16 21:22
TweetTuxMachines........................................  http://ur1.ca/oa1qpNov 16 21:22
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | UUMATE Is a Respin of Ubuntu MATE 15.10 That Aims to be Better - Video | Tux MachinesNov 16 21:22
TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     HP Linux Imaging and Printing Driver UpdateNov 16 21:22
TweetTuxMachines                 with Support for Ubuntu 15.10Nov 16 21:22
TweetTuxMachines                 https://t.co/caGzfi2Ufy (www.tuxmachines.org)Nov 16 21:23
TweetTuxMachines........................................  http://ur1.ca/oa1qrNov 16 21:23
MinceRXFaCE: could even use crunchbang waldorf :>Nov 16 21:23
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | HP Linux Imaging and Printing Driver Update with Support for Ubuntu 15.10 | Tux MachinesNov 16 21:23
MinceRthen again, their repos are deadNov 16 21:23
MinceRso debian wheezyNov 16 21:23
XFaCEVoid Linux seems pretty goodNov 16 21:24
XFaCESalixNov 16 21:24
XFaCEAlpineNov 16 21:24
MinceRbedrock, if you have distros you can put in itNov 16 21:24
XFaCEbedrock?Nov 16 21:26
TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     Best Linux Distribution for Your HostingNov 16 21:26
TweetTuxMachines                 https://t.co/jEy3TVVHa6 (www.tuxmachines.org)Nov 16 21:26
TweetTuxMachines........................................  http://ur1.ca/oa1r6Nov 16 21:26
MinceRhttp://bedrocklinux.org/Nov 16 21:26
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Best Linux Distribution for Your Hosting | Tux MachinesNov 16 21:26
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-bedrocklinux.org | Bedrock LinuxNov 16 21:26
*TweetTuxMachines @softpedialinux favourited 'UUMATE Is a Respin of Ubuntu MATE 15.10...'Nov 16 21:26
XFaCEMinceR: sounds too good to be trueNov 16 21:27
schestowitz[02:24] <MinceR> bedrock, if you have distros you can put in itNov 16 21:27
schestowitzremember what bedrock did?Nov 16 21:28
schestowitz!google bedrock linux patentsNov 16 21:28
TechrightsBot-tr[1] - FOSS Patents: Texas jury finds against Google in Linux patent case ... | http://www.fosspatents.com/2011/04/texas-jury-finds-against-google-in.htmlNov 16 21:28
TechrightsBot-tr[2] - Google infringes on Linux patent: $5 million judgment | ZDNet | http://www.zdnet.com/article/google-infringes-on-linux-patent-5-million-judgment/Nov 16 21:28
TechrightsBot-tr[3] - Google Loses Patent Case Filed By Patent Attorney Who Was ... | https://www.techdirt.com/articles/20110421/16470613993/google-loses-patent-case-filed-patent-attorney-who-was-helping-fight-patent-excesses.shtmlNov 16 21:28
TechrightsBot-tr[4] - Bedrock Linux | http://bedrocklinux.org/Nov 16 21:28
schestowitz2011Nov 16 21:28
schestowitzGroklaw covered that at the timeNov 16 21:28
XFaCEschestowitz: same bedrock?Nov 16 21:28
schestowitzsame name, different thing, alas...Nov 16 21:28
schestowitzno, differentNov 16 21:28
XFaCEoopsNov 16 21:29
MinceRi don't think this bedrock even existed in 2011 :>Nov 16 21:29
MinceRthe irc channel was registered in 2012Nov 16 21:30
cubexyzyou guys shouldn't complain too muchNov 16 21:30
cubexyzchristmas 1985...Nov 16 21:31
cubexyzhttp://www.maxhost.org/other/christmas-1985-256k-amiga.pngNov 16 21:31
cubexyz2 grand for 256k :)Nov 16 21:31
MinceRback then the IT industry wasn't suffering of a fatal diseaseNov 16 21:31
MinceRback then computers were built to do what their owner wanted to doNov 16 21:31
MinceRback then the IT industry wasn't controlled by the whims of rich drooling idiots who don't even know what a computer isNov 16 21:32
cubexyzplus upgrading your firmware required a chip change :)Nov 16 21:32
MinceRback then governments weren't looking for ways to screw computer usersNov 16 21:32
XFaCEMinceR: are you sure?Nov 16 21:32
cubexyzright, and no internet access for home eitherNov 16 21:32
cubexyzhow would they even get in?Nov 16 21:33
MinceRXFaCE: not reallyNov 16 21:33
MinceRbut afaik there wasn't all this fuckage about back doors for governments, and DMCA, WCT and the rest of the shitNov 16 21:33
cubexyzback in 1985 Microsoft was not as powerfulNov 16 21:33
cubexyzwe had Amiga, Atari, PC Clones running Xenix, there was a lot of choiceNov 16 21:33
MinceRwe even had choice of cpus that weren't too weakNov 16 21:34
MinceRwe weren't expected to like having our computers tivoizedNov 16 21:34
MinceRhell, there was no tivoizationNov 16 21:34
cubexyza simpler time :)Nov 16 21:34
MinceRhumanity had a future back thenNov 16 21:34
XFaCEMinceR: "intellectual property" dates back to the 1970sNov 16 21:35
XFaCEwiretappingNov 16 21:36
XFaCEDRMNov 16 21:36
MinceRwiretapping was for voice over phone, wasn't it?Nov 16 21:36
MinceRand DRM was called "copy protection"Nov 16 21:36
MinceRand there was no DMCA/WCT to give it legal supportNov 16 21:36
cubexyzsome of my computers still work from that time periodNov 16 21:42
cubexyzprinting out a letter was like:Nov 16 21:43
cubexyztype letter.txt > prn:Nov 16 21:43
cubexyzbasically redirect to prn: and you're done :)Nov 16 21:44
XFaCElolNov 16 21:44
cubexyzof course on linux I can just: lp letter.txtNov 16 21:45
cubexyzmaybe lp -d hp letter.txtNov 16 21:46
cubexyzbut the point is there was no real printer driver back thenNov 16 21:46
cubexyzit was ascii straight to the printerNov 16 21:46
cubexyzyou got a real manual back then, so no secret protocolsNov 16 21:47
oiaohmcubexyz: postscript is also very old.Nov 16 21:47
oiaohmhttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/PostScriptNov 16 21:48
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cubexyzI can't remember how expensive postscript printers were back thenNov 16 21:49
oiaohmcubexyz: basically you find postscript in the first computer with a screen mouse and keyboard by xerox.Nov 16 21:49
cubexyzall I remember was Epson & panasonic dot matrix printersNov 16 21:49
cubexyzXerox Star? I couldn't afford that :)Nov 16 21:50
oiaohmThe stupid part was postscript was a open protocol the issue was cpu power it took to handle it.Nov 16 21:50
cubexyzthe laserjets had a CPU inside them?Nov 16 21:51
oiaohmSo we end up with different makers doing own odd ball protocols to save costs.Nov 16 21:51
oiaohmcubexyz:  you find megs of memory inside old postscript lazer printers.Nov 16 21:51
cubexyzyes I know, I own one Nov 16 21:51
cubexyzI have an old Laserjet 5NNov 16 21:52
oiaohmI think that is a mips.Nov 16 21:52
cubexyzmakes senseNov 16 21:52
oiaohmOk this is warped.  64 bit mips chip.Nov 16 21:53
oiaohmIs hiding in a Laserjet 5nNov 16 21:53
cubexyzok, I see that HP introduced a laserjet back in 1984 at COMDEXNov 16 21:54
cubexyzcoolNov 16 21:54
cubexyzfor $3500Nov 16 21:54
cubexyzso yes, you could get them for major $$$ :)Nov 16 21:54
oiaohmNote the time frame of a Laserjet5N and the fact it 64 bit.Nov 16 21:54
cubexyzmine says 1997 on the backNov 16 21:55
oiaohmExactly most PC and servers at the time were only 32 bit.Nov 16 21:55
oiaohmSo other than GPU the most powerful cpu in the place would be hidding in a printer.Nov 16 21:55
cubexyzcan the 5N do double sided printout?Nov 16 21:56
oiaohmThat called duplex printing.  I cannot remember if that was addon or built in with the 5 series.Nov 16 21:56
MinceRyeah, i got a real manual with my hp laserjet 4lNov 16 21:59
MinceRpity its paper handling mechanism is garbageNov 16 21:59
cubexyzI see collate and reverse in keditNov 16 21:59
cubexyzah, it's an add-on... pityNov 16 22:00
cubexyzthere's an optional duplex unitNov 16 22:01
cubexyzseems to fit underneath the laserjetNov 16 22:03
cubexyzMinceR, what's the problem? printing a bit crooked?Nov 16 22:06
cubexyzthe 4L would probably be quite old by nowNov 16 22:07
MinceRpretty much always pulled the pages in crookedNov 16 22:07
MinceRand if it was a bit bent from printing on the other side, you could be sure it would eat the pageNov 16 22:07
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amarsh04and remember back in 1993-1994 SGI announcing that their 64-bit technology was to be used by Nintendo for what became the Nintendo-64Nov 16 22:53
cubexyzI think the Atari Jaguar came out back in Nov 1993Nov 16 23:02
cubexyzaround the same timeNov 16 23:02
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liberty_boxOn vacation at the moment. It has just been mentioned that I'm threatened by EPO http://www.fosspatents.com/2015/11/epo-labor-dispute-getting-completely.htmlNov 18 04:41
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liberty_boxhttps://twitter.com/FOSSpatents/status/666913543028088833Nov 18 04:47
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@FOSSpatents: @schestowitz @Ipkat Spontaneous SUEPO demo at 12.30 CET in front of EPO main building in Munich. I can't go. Maybe you can obtain pictures.Nov 18 04:47
liberty_boxneed a mirror (or several) for EPO articles to discourage the EPO from bullying pages (information) out of existenceNov 18 04:48
liberty_boxcubexyz, feel free to make a mirror of the EPO articlesNov 18 04:48
liberty_boxothers tooNov 18 04:48
liberty_boxthe EPO wants to censor TechrightsNov 18 04:49
liberty_boxnot just internallyNov 18 04:49
liberty_boxhttp://techrights.org/wiki/index.php/EPONov 18 04:49
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MinceRhttp://i.imgur.com/KJoL6wB.pngNov 18 05:32
cubexyzhahaNov 18 05:33
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MinceRoiaohm: http://anonscm.debian.org/cgit/pkg-systemd/systemd.git/commit/?h=ubuntu&id=28640752854Nov 18 05:44
MinceRoh snap!Nov 18 05:44
MinceR"cgroup notification is unreliable"Nov 18 05:44
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cubexyzwhat is this systemd you speak of?Nov 18 05:44
cubexyzit must be from the future :)Nov 18 05:45
MinceR:)Nov 18 05:45
cubexyzhttp://www.maxhost.org/other/systemd-gandalf.pngNov 18 05:49
cubexyzThe noveau-Linux GUI-first crowd doesn't care about Unix PhilosophiesNov 18 05:56
cubexyzold Linux is fine thoughNov 18 05:57
cubexyzI've heard from debian wheezy users that upgraded to debian testing that their system would not startNov 18 06:04
MinceRback when debian was stable i didn't see any point in using a non-stable release, other than for developing debian itselfNov 18 06:05
MinceRnow it doesn't matter, it's a ruin anywayNov 18 06:05
cubexyzwell, I noted the date I first installed q4os: aug, 12th, 2015Nov 18 06:07
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cubexyzI know the q4os init is compatible with the System V initNov 18 06:09
cubexyzso that's my "solution"Nov 18 06:09
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oiaohmMinceR: sorry I have some bad news "cgroup notification is unreliable."   is not exactly true.   The cgroup designed listed how notifications how to be set up.  Of course for many versions systemd was no doing that right.Nov 18 09:07
MinceRoiaohm: the emperor has no clothesNov 18 09:08
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MinceRkilling all running cron jobs when restarting cron was also ingeniousNov 18 09:11
MinceRespecially when one of them ran a system update which updated cronNov 18 09:11
oiaohmsystemd is not always the brightest tool on the shelf.Nov 18 09:12
MinceRit's shiny, thoughNov 18 09:12
MinceRthe kids love itNov 18 09:12
oiaohmAlso systemd is not the only init system on Unix to pull kill all cron when restarting it.Nov 18 09:13
oiaohmsmf on solaris when it first wrapped stuff in zones also did that stunt.Nov 18 09:13
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oiaohmMinceR: also remember under cron under sysvinit it was possible to end up with a growing stack of jammed processes under cron as well.Nov 18 09:15
oiaohmAttempting to fix the cron failures in sysvinit end up for solaris and systemd developers creating another set of failures.Nov 18 09:16
MinceRno, this was created by cargoculting cgroupsNov 18 09:16
oiaohmzones is solaris kernel cgroups.Nov 18 09:17
MinceRi doubt they're the sameNov 18 09:17
oiaohmTracking all the processes of a service and attempting to enforce clean service shutdown if you are not careful leads to termination.Nov 18 09:17
oiaohmOf what you should not be terminating.Nov 18 09:18
MinceRcron jobs are not "processes of a service"Nov 18 09:18
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oiaohmMinceR: sorry you made a mistake.Nov 18 09:19
oiaohmcrond runs sub processes that are the cron jobs.Nov 18 09:19
oiaohmNow if you have wrapped crond in a zone or a cgroup then enforce termination you are going to kill a little too much.Nov 18 09:19
MinceRoiaohm: sorry, you made a mistake.Nov 18 09:20
MinceRif cron jobs are "processes of a service", then everything running on your system is just "processes of init"Nov 18 09:20
MinceRso stopping a service is just shutting downNov 18 09:20
MinceRand restarting a service is just rebootingNov 18 09:20
MinceRand guess what cancerd did to crondNov 18 09:21
oiaohmsmf also rewrote crond to something that allowed each cron job to get its own zone.Nov 18 09:21
MinceRgnu/linux has no obligation to copy slowlaris design flawsNov 18 09:22
oiaohmYes everything is a subprocess of PID 1 under Linux.   That is why a disconnected process end up connected to PID1 is that everything is processes off PID1.Nov 18 09:22
oiaohmProblem is some of these faults will just happen as soon as you attempt to implement proper process tracking and containment.Nov 18 09:23
oiaohmEven upstart ptrace based solution screwed crond over.Nov 18 09:24
MinceRcan you quote me saying upstart isn't broken?Nov 18 09:24
oiaohmdeamontools before upstart with crond also had issues with forced termiantion.Nov 18 09:25
MinceRalso, what cancerd does is not "implement proper process tracking and containment.", it's very far from thatNov 18 09:25
MinceRand yet i don't see any desktop environment try to force upstart or daemontools on users, somehowNov 18 09:26
XRevan86MinceR: UnityNov 18 09:26
oiaohmupstart was forced on a lot of users and no one noticed MinceRNov 18 09:26
oiaohmBecause it used the same sysvinit configuration files.Nov 18 09:26
oiaohmOk not many noticed.Nov 18 09:26
MinceRand yet it could be swapped out againNov 18 09:26
MinceRn00buntu replaced it with systemdNov 18 09:26
XRevan86upstart has API Unity uses even nowNov 18 09:27
MinceRcan you replace systemd with something else? no.Nov 18 09:27
oiaohmNote what XRevan86 said MinceRNov 18 09:27
oiaohmUbuntu swaping back to sysvinit from upstart caused thing to get badly upsetNov 18 09:27
MinceRso what you're saying is that systemd being broken is OK, because upstart was almost as broken?Nov 18 09:28
oiaohmupstart was more broken.Nov 18 09:28
oiaohmThan systemd if you look under hood.Nov 18 09:29
roy_awayhttps://twitter.com/IAM_magazine/status/666985819769585664Nov 18 09:29
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@IAM_magazine: Meet Dr Roy - open to all opinions and without any kind of agenda P https://t.co/GVGXCxzFdsNov 18 09:29
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz: Echo chamber at work https://t.co/Na0mzjxUYh #patent profiteers speak to other patent profiteers (like arms industry)Nov 18 09:29
oiaohmBy the time you guys started complaining it was too late.Nov 18 09:29
MinceRyes, systemd fans believe systemd is not brokenNov 18 09:29
MinceRignore everything, pretend the emperor is not nakedNov 18 09:29
MinceR< anon> anon: no reason to be shy here, with GNU/systemd (read: "debian") i had major issues over the last months and endless debugging sessions trying to Nov 18 09:29
MinceR         migrate my init-scripts (which truely are sophisticated and/or complex sometimes) to a systemd unit. oh jesus don't get me started.Nov 18 09:30
MinceR< anon> anon: ended up using freebsd again as a desktop system because i seriously couldn't stand the stability of systemd anymore.Nov 18 09:30
MinceR< anon> deployments breaking, systems failing to come up because they eternally wait for running start/stop jobs, all that crap.Nov 18 09:30
MinceR< anon> it's impressive how heavy kay and lennart managed to break a whole landscape of distributions with this crap.Nov 18 09:30
MinceRthe cancerd success storyNov 18 09:30
oiaohmThere are more than 1 side to every story.Nov 18 09:31
oiaohmhttps://www.youtube.com/channel/UCvq_RgZp3kljp9X8Io9Z1DANov 18 09:32
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oiaohmfor every horible story there are some stories showing what systemd does well.Nov 18 09:33
oiaohmOf course I don't say systemd is perfect.   It still has it faults.Nov 18 09:33
oiaohmMinceR: https://github.com/systemd/systemd/blob/dd050decb6ad131ebdeabb71c4f9ecb4733269c0/NEWS   I guess you have not read the 288 new features.Nov 18 09:40
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oiaohmMinceR: DefaultTasksMax=  is a nice new nasty supprise.   Of course this is attempting to prevent services from consuming the system out of house and home.Nov 18 09:41
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cubexyzI don't even think vector starts crondNov 18 09:57
cubexyzmust have turn it off at some pointNov 18 10:00
roy_awayhttps://joindiaspora.com/posts/6827256Nov 18 10:29
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lirodonSo Visual Studio Code is MIT licensed nowNov 18 11:51
lirodonmeh, you'd probably rather use emacsNov 18 11:56
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MinceRooh, new features! who cares if the system won't even boot?Nov 18 12:33
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*TweetTuxMachines @softpedialinux favourited 'Puppy Linux 6.3 "Slacko" Comes to Play, Based...'Nov 18 16:15
TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     Here's An Early Linux 4.4 Kernel Spin To PlayNov 18 16:15
TweetTuxMachines                 Around With On Ubuntu https://t.co/IyNufo3RAnNov 18 16:15
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TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     Samsung Z3 Smartphone Ranked as Fourth MostNov 18 16:15
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roy_yorkshirehttps://twitter.com/zoobab/status/667087621118697477Nov 18 16:31
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@zoobab: @schestowitz @agonarch when you see all the complains at the EU level against Google, some company is pulling the strings from behindNov 18 16:31
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TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     Android Leftovers https://t.co/HLaqZCahIsNov 18 17:34
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TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     today's howtos https://t.co/mfIEMAxsqkNov 18 17:34
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TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     Red Hat loves containers in RHEL 7.2Nov 18 17:34
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | ​Red Hat loves containers in RHEL 7.2 | Tux MachinesNov 18 17:34
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TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     Ubuntu Leftovers https://t.co/6qttGgPGHXNov 18 17:37
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TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     Finding Recent Files https://t.co/yipfsWzcENNov 18 20:35
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cubexyzI've made some observations on cron's historyNov 18 22:29
cubexyzbefore v7 cron was not very reliable but it did existNov 18 22:30
cubexyzso in Unix v7 init doesn't start cronNov 18 22:30
cubexyz/etc/rc starts /etc/cronNov 18 22:30
cubexyzpwdNov 18 22:30
cubexyzof course this is also pre-sysv and pre-systemIIINov 18 22:31
*amarsh04 remembers how in Novell UnixWare the cron that shipped would tend to lock up over timeNov 18 22:33
*MinceR expects oiaohm to present this as a failing of modern sysvinit/cron :>Nov 18 22:35
cubexyza closed source Unix from the bad old daysNov 18 22:36
cubexyzone can't say sysv and cron doesn't work in FC1Nov 18 22:36
MinceRa cancerd zealot will, thoughNov 18 22:36
cubexyzI have empirical evidence that it does work, 376 days and counting Nov 18 22:37
cubexyzX doesn't appear to be leaking memory Nov 18 22:38
cubexyzso I have to give FC1 the thumbs up :)Nov 18 22:38
cubexyzof course the repos died long agoNov 18 22:40
cubexyzwell I think it's well tested... almost 12 years nowNov 18 22:42
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TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     Gaming Leftovers https://t.co/XTENxFnwGRNov 19 01:10
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TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     Open source OpenWRT router has automaticNov 19 01:10
TweetTuxMachines                 updates https://t.co/19htOao4uKNov 19 01:10
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TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     Numecent Promises New Cloud and VirtualizationNov 19 01:11
TweetTuxMachines                 Features for Linux https://t.co/MZcAsPvnq0Nov 19 01:11
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TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     Why the Linux Desktop Should Be Organized ByNov 19 01:11
TweetTuxMachines                 Tasks https://t.co/jbVtiklOhyNov 19 01:11
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TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     Bodhi Linux 3.1.1 Is a Minor Update That FixesNov 19 02:28
TweetTuxMachines                 a Wireless Connection IssueNov 19 02:28
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TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     OSS Leftovers https://t.co/mFePjfSngNNov 19 02:28
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TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     Android Leftovers https://t.co/NkcL5UtG0KNov 19 02:28
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TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     today's howtos https://t.co/UoRavoCehQNov 19 05:50
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TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     Leftovers: Software https://t.co/xFrcojt1MMNov 19 05:52
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TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     Kernel News https://t.co/giBJll9so8Nov 19 05:54
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TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     Today in Techrights https://t.co/FFERqYB8SONov 19 06:36
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TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     Ubuntu Desktop with Unity 8 to HandleNov 19 06:37
TweetTuxMachines                 Background Apps and File Access DifferentlyNov 19 06:37
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TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     Today in Techrights https://t.co/FFERqYB8SONov 19 09:06
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*TweetTuxMachines @softpedialinux favourited 'Ubuntu Desktop with Unity 8 to Handle Background...'Nov 19 09:06
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msb__cubexyz: Says here Q4OS uses systemd:  http://distrowatch.com/table.php?distribution=q4osNov 19 13:57
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-distrowatch.com | DistroWatch.com: Q4OSNov 19 13:57
msb__How can it be a solution?Nov 19 13:57
*TweetTuxMachines @softpedialinux favourited 'Bodhi Linux 3.1.1 Is a Minor Update That...'Nov 19 14:44
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TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     Nvidia Driver Now Supports Xorg 1.18, It'sNov 19 15:02
TweetTuxMachines                 Getting Difficult to Track Them AllNov 19 15:02
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Nvidia Driver Now Supports Xorg 1.18, It's Getting Difficult to Track Them All | Tux MachinesNov 19 15:03
TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     KDE Plasma 5.5 Beta Has Too Many New FeaturesNov 19 15:03
TweetTuxMachines                 to Count and Over 1000 FixesNov 19 15:03
TweetTuxMachines                 https://t.co/OuvHDcLcvn (www.tuxmachines.org)Nov 19 15:03
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | KDE Plasma 5.5 Beta Has Too Many New Features to Count and Over 1000 Fixes | Tux MachinesNov 19 15:03
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r_schestowitz[18:57] <msb__> cubexyz: Says here Q4OS uses systemd:  http://distrowatch.com/table.php?distribution=q4osNov 19 15:33
r_schestowitzFew don'tNov 19 15:33
r_schestowitzand those that don't might sufferNov 19 15:33
r_schestowitzlike those who insist on staying with Trinity and/or KDE4 (like PCLOS)Nov 19 15:34
r_schestowitzWhen Debian caved in to Red Hat it had a chain reactonNov 19 15:34
r_schestowitzMany Ubuntu which is based on Debian, so....Nov 19 15:34
msb__r_schestowitz: What does KDE5/Plasma do that is really beneficial?  It just includes a huge amount of bling and bloat.Nov 19 15:36
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msb__I've used KDE3 for many years, and, along with konsole and mc, and a bunch of scripts I've written, it does everything I want, fast and efficiently.  Nov 19 15:38
msb__I think a lot of "improvements" are simply changes by programmers who have nothing else to do.  One of the most important principles of software engineering is, "If it ain't broke, don't fix it."Nov 19 15:40
msb__A shell, GUI or CLI (I use both together) should provide a minimal user interface to the OS -- enough to do what the user wants, and no more.  My system does that.Nov 19 15:42
msb__The purpose of a shell is not to look pretty, nor to provide an infinite number of "bling" customizations.  It's purpose is to do what the user wants, and otherwise keep out of the way.  If the user wants to look at something pretty, s/he can view a picture or watch a video.  I don't even use a background picture, because it would distract the eye, making it hard to locate, e.g., a desired window, and because it would get boring after Nov 19 15:46
msb__a while.Nov 19 15:46
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msb__As to systemd, I most certainly do not want an enormous pile of crud that is so complicated that nobody can understand it or predict what it will do (and I'm just talking about it's init system here), to be in total control of my computer.  It's hard to imagine a more stupid move than using systemd, even if it isn't used to hide a backdoor through which the US government can kill every Linux computer.Nov 19 15:51
msb__it's --> itsNov 19 15:52
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TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     Ubuntu 15.10 review: Wily Werewolf leaves scaryNov 19 16:22
TweetTuxMachines                 experimentation for next yearNov 19 16:22
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TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     GeekBox is an Android & Ubuntu mini PC… andNov 19 16:23
TweetTuxMachines                 developer platform https://t.co/4Ul9qGk9mWNov 19 16:23
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | GeekBox is an Android & Ubuntu mini PC… and developer platform | Tux MachinesNov 19 16:23
TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     Parrot’s Bebop 2: smaller, faster,Nov 19 16:23
TweetTuxMachines                 longer-lasting, Linux-fortifiedNov 19 16:23
TweetTuxMachines                 https://t.co/0wOuoeFRJm (www.tuxmachines.org)Nov 19 16:23
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Parrot’s Bebop 2: smaller, faster, longer-lasting, Linux-fortified | Tux MachinesNov 19 16:23
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TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     Mirantis Open Source Fuel Cloud Deployment ToolNov 19 17:42
TweetTuxMachines                 Joins OpenStack Tent https://t.co/B7FcWyO83rNov 19 17:42
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Mirantis Open Source Fuel Cloud Deployment Tool Joins OpenStack Tent | Tux MachinesNov 19 17:42
*TweetTuxMachines @AlfredKGlover favourited 'Mirantis Open Source Fuel Cloud Deployment Tool Joins...'Nov 19 17:42
TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     Red Hat adds up-to-date languages to RHELNov 19 18:44
TweetTuxMachines                 https://t.co/cBugJDzp2O (www.tuxmachines.org)Nov 19 18:44
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TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     Ubuntu Touch OTA-8 Is Now Live, New FeaturesNov 19 19:02
TweetTuxMachines                 Start Landing for OTA-9 https://t.co/Hsm7cBgmFANov 19 19:02
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TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     i.MX6 SoloX COM sports dual GbE controllersNov 19 19:02
TweetTuxMachines                 https://t.co/crKwKW4aYZ (www.tuxmachines.org)Nov 19 19:02
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TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     If it's not practical to redistribute freeNov 19 19:02
TweetTuxMachines                 software, it's not free software in practiceNov 19 19:02
TweetTuxMachines                 https://t.co/yBJa5P1g8j (www.tuxmachines.org)Nov 19 19:02
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TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     Clonezilla Live 2.4.3-3 Linux Distro AddsNov 19 19:13
TweetTuxMachines                 Support for NILFS2, Based on Debian SidNov 19 19:13
TweetTuxMachines                 https://t.co/z65a8U3u9M (www.tuxmachines.org)Nov 19 19:13
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TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     Work Set on Open Source CompilerNov 19 19:13
TweetTuxMachines                 https://t.co/LYBMiYcA30 (www.tuxmachines.org)Nov 19 19:13
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Work Set on Open Source Compiler | Tux MachinesNov 19 19:13
schestowitzhttps://twitter.com/alvfig/status/667495361762738177  https://twitter.com/eliaspraciano/status/667489213785444354Nov 19 19:14
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@alvfig: @eliaspraciano @coisasdogeek @hgfernan @Mackellsud @Darkwings1Mr @schestowitz @brigserman @sapo2025 @ro7_so67 valeu, ótimo fim de semana!Nov 19 19:14
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@eliaspraciano: @coisasdogeek @alvfig @hgfernan @Mackellsud @Darkwings1Mr @schestowitz @brigserman @sapo2025 @ro7_so67 bom final de semana!Nov 19 19:14
cubexyzschestowitz, the version of Q4OS I am using doesn't use systemdNov 19 19:39
MinceRis it an older release?Nov 19 19:40
cubexyzit's based on debian wheezy and I removed systemd Nov 19 19:41
MinceRicNov 19 19:41
cubexyzthere could be other versions of q4os that do have it by defaultNov 19 19:41
cubexyzas with AntiX you merely do: apt-get remove systemdNov 19 19:42
cubexyzI wrote a short review of AntiX:Nov 19 19:44
cubexyzhttp://cubexyz.blogspot.ca/search?q=AntiXNov 19 19:44
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-cubexyz.blogspot.ca | Notes on LinuxNov 19 19:44
cubexyzall the sysv stuff is supportedNov 19 19:44
cubexyzso if you came from the sysv world you'll be comfortableNov 19 19:45
cubexyzit's the same in wheezy itself of course, it is easy to remove systemd from itNov 19 19:46
cubexyzKDE3 people would also be at home with q4os Nov 19 19:47
cubexyzthat's the main reason why I tried it actually, because trinity was rolled in and ready to goNov 19 19:47
schestowitzhttps://twitter.com/sapo2025/status/667504109386379266Nov 19 19:48
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@sapo2025: @eliaspraciano @coisasdogeek @alvfig @hgfernan @Mackellsud @Darkwings1Mr @schestowitz @brigserman @ro7_so67 Ótima Sexta-Feira à todosNov 19 19:48
schestowitzI'm stuck with systemd nowNov 19 19:49
schestowitzI'm not sure what it is I'm not liking, Kubuntu, KF5, or systemd (or some of them combined)Nov 19 19:49
schestowitzBut it's still a messNov 19 19:49
schestowitzI miss kde4Nov 19 19:49
cubexyzif you're not sure about a distro using systemd always do a "man init" and look for sysvNov 19 19:49
schestowitzwhen moving to kde4 permanently I didn't miss kde3 as muchNov 19 19:49
cubexyzif it doesn't mention sysv at all, you're probably in systemd-landNov 19 19:50
schestowitzred landNov 19 19:50
cubexyzschestowitz, give q4os a tryNov 19 19:50
cubexyzit's got the KDE4 stuff as wellNov 19 19:50
schestowitznaaa.... too late nowNov 19 19:50
cubexyzit is a hybrid of trinity + KDE4 partsNov 19 19:50
schestowitzmy settings are in qt5/kf5 formatNov 19 19:50
schestowitzI might as well just 'pray' kf5 will be redeemed in due some and the mess resolvedNov 19 19:51
schestowitz /some/time/Nov 19 19:51
schestowitzhttps://twitter.com/sapo2025/status/667505276539576320Nov 19 19:51
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@sapo2025: @alvfig @eliaspraciano @coisasdogeek @hgfernan @Mackellsud @Darkwings1Mr @schestowitz @brigserman @ro7_so67 ihhhh.. Eu trampo... 😭😭😭Nov 19 19:51
cubexyz/sbin/runlevel reports N 2, just like FC1Nov 19 19:52
msb__what does     locate sbin/init   report?Nov 19 19:54
cubexyz/sbin/initNov 19 19:54
msb__same hereNov 19 19:55
msb__may be more accurate than relying on man pagesNov 19 19:55
cubexyzif you do man init on a systemd system it will say: "systemd, init - systemd System and Service Manager"Nov 19 19:57
cubexyzif you try q4os the first thing to do is: apt-get remove systemdNov 19 19:58
msb__Will that work on the Jessie version?Nov 19 19:59
cubexyzno, it's a lot more work to remove systemd on jessieNov 19 19:59
cubexyzhttp://without-systemd.org/wiki/index.php/How_to_remove_systemd_from_a_Debian_jessie/sid_installationNov 19 20:00
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-without-systemd.org | How to remove systemd from a Debian jessie/sid installation - Without SystemdNov 19 20:00
cubexyzbut it's not too badNov 19 20:00
MinceRi tend to check the command name in ps -p 1Nov 19 20:01
MinceRbut i'm not sure how reliable that isNov 19 20:01
MinceRalso, ps auxw|grep systemdNov 19 20:01
MinceR(or logind)Nov 19 20:02
cubexyzright, that should report systemd if it's using itNov 19 20:03
cubexyzI have one systemd machine just for knowledge reasons, but the other 9 are not :)Nov 19 20:03
cubexyzalso one can do: dpkg-query -l *sysv*Nov 19 20:07
cubexyzthat should find all the sysv packagesNov 19 20:07
cubexyzmy advice is if you're not sure which distro to pick is to set up a secondary or tetiary box for experimenting purposesNov 19 20:12
cubexyzdon't depend on one distro for everythingNov 19 20:12
cubexyztertiary...Nov 19 20:12
cubexyzI'm seeing lots of complaints about Ubuntu on the net these daysNov 19 20:14
cubexyzif you want Debian, AntiX or Q4OS are fineNov 19 20:15
*TweetTuxMachines @softpedialinux favourited 'Clonezilla Live 2.4.3-3 Linux Distro Adds Support for...'Nov 19 20:15
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cubexyzpersonally I think Q4OS is a bit more interesting, but both are OKNov 19 20:15
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cubexyzhere's some q4os notes for starters:Nov 19 20:17
cubexyzhttp://www.maxhost.org/other/q4os-notes.txtNov 19 20:17
cubexyzI'll add more to it as time goes byNov 19 20:18
TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     GNOME 3.19.2 unstable tarballs dueNov 19 20:19
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | GNOME 3.19.2 unstable tarballs due | Tux MachinesNov 19 20:19
TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     8 ways Red Hat’s CMO is building a modernNov 19 20:19
TweetTuxMachines                 marketing strategy https://t.co/TR4xLt12hiNov 19 20:19
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | 8 ways Red Hat’s CMO is building a modern marketing strategy | Tux MachinesNov 19 20:19
TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     How were Linux kernel servers rooted four yearsNov 19 20:19
TweetTuxMachines                 ago? https://t.co/z2Co01Y5sXNov 19 20:19
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | How were Linux kernel servers rooted four years ago? | Tux MachinesNov 19 20:19
TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     Ubuntu Core to Power #MagicStick , the MostNov 19 20:30
TweetTuxMachines                 Powerful PC Stick Ever MadeNov 19 20:30
TweetTuxMachines                  https://t.co/GWGxpbVdml (news.softpedia.com)Nov 19 20:30
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-news.softpedia.com | Ubuntu Core to Power MagicStick, the Most Powerful PC Stick Ever MadeNov 19 20:30
TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     Service composition in GuixSDNov 19 20:30
TweetTuxMachines                 https://t.co/pQrhgROB8G (savannah.gnu.org)Nov 19 20:30
TweetTuxMachines                 "GuixSD is not like your parents’ distro."Nov 19 20:30
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-savannah.gnu.org | GNU Guix - News: Service composition in GuixSD [Savannah]Nov 19 20:30
*TweetTuxMachines @softpedialinux favourited 'Ubuntu Core to Power #MagicStick , the Most...'Nov 19 20:40
TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     Android/Linux In Europe, Nov 2015Nov 19 20:40
TweetTuxMachines                 https://t.co/rwzW8rTN8F (mrpogson.com)Nov 19 20:40
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-mrpogson.com | Android/Linux In Europe, Nov 2015 | Robert PogsonNov 19 20:40
TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     Summertime Retreat https://t.co/keQMs3mePdNov 19 20:40
TweetTuxMachines                 (schestowitz.com)Nov 19 20:40
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-schestowitz.com | Summertime RetreatNov 19 20:40
TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     Gabe Newell Simulator Looks Like It's AddingNov 19 20:48
TweetTuxMachines                 Linux Support, Oh My https://t.co/BRR1JDnRP6Nov 19 20:48
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.gamingonlinux.com | Gabe Newell Simulator Looks Like It's Adding Linux Support, Oh My | GamingOnLinuxNov 19 20:48
TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     Storm in a teacup: Wileyfox does AndroidNov 19 20:49
TweetTuxMachines                 cheapie, British style https://t.co/2vd2RO6NsbNov 19 20:49
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.theregister.co.uk | Storm in a teacup: Wileyfox does Android cheapie, British style • The RegisterNov 19 20:49
TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     ZigBee home automation design kits useNov 19 20:49
TweetTuxMachines                 RPi-based gateway https://t.co/7D3XydiqnANov 19 20:49
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-linuxgizmos.com | ZigBee home automation design kits use RPi-based gateway ·  LinuxGizmos.comNov 19 20:49
TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     Solus 1.0 Operating System to Launch BeforeNov 19 20:49
TweetTuxMachines                 Christmas https://t.co/OJagluDj9bNov 19 20:49
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-news.softpedia.com | Solus 1.0 Operating System to Launch Before ChristmasNov 19 20:49
TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     Ubuntu Touch OTA-8 Update Officially ReleasedNov 19 20:54
TweetTuxMachines                 https://t.co/CybQS3XRTO (news.softpedia.com)Nov 19 20:54
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-news.softpedia.com | Ubuntu Touch OTA-8 Update Officially ReleasedNov 19 20:54
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-news.softpedia.com | Ubuntu Touch OTA-8 Is Now Live, New Features Start Landing for OTA-9Nov 19 20:54
TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     Nvidia Driver Now Supports Xorg 1.18, It'sNov 19 20:54
TweetTuxMachines                 Getting Difficult to Track Them AllNov 19 20:54
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-news.softpedia.com | Nvidia Driver Now Supports Xorg 1.18, It's Getting Difficult to Track Them AllNov 19 20:54
TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     Ubuntu 15.10 review: Wily Werewolf leaves scaryNov 19 20:54
TweetTuxMachines                 experimentation for next yearNov 19 20:54
TweetTuxMachines                 https://t.co/CS4DBXEU8C (arstechnica.com)Nov 19 20:54
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-arstechnica.com | Ubuntu 15.10 review: Wily Werewolf leaves scary experimentation for next year | Ars TechnicaNov 19 20:54
TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     KDE Plasma 5.5 Beta Has Too Many New FeaturesNov 19 20:55
TweetTuxMachines                 to Count and Over 1000 FixesNov 19 20:55
TweetTuxMachines                 https://t.co/REMhoTatFD (news.softpedia.com)Nov 19 20:55
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-news.softpedia.com | KDE Plasma 5.5 Beta Has Too Many New Features to Count and Over 1000 FixesNov 19 20:55
TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     GeekBox is an Android & Ubuntu mini PC… andNov 19 20:55
TweetTuxMachines                 developer platform https://t.co/2AM8eDvSdXNov 19 20:55
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TweetTuxMachines........................................  http://ur1.ca/oalcvNov 19 20:56
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-liliputing.com | GeekBox is an Android & Ubuntu mini PC... and developer platform - LiliputingNov 19 20:56
TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     Parrot’s Bebop 2: smaller, faster,Nov 19 20:56
TweetTuxMachines                 longer-lasting, Linux-fortifiedNov 19 20:56
TweetTuxMachines                 https://t.co/Shh2gqxsCl (linuxgizmos.com)Nov 19 20:56
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-linuxgizmos.com | Parrot's Bebop 2: smaller, faster, longer-lasting, Linux-fortified ·  LinuxGizmos.comNov 19 20:56
*TweetTuxMachines @softpedialinux favourited 'Solus 1.0 Operating System to Launch Before Christmas...'Nov 19 20:56
*TweetTuxMachines @softpedialinux favourited 'Ubuntu Touch OTA-8 Update Officially Released https://t.co/CybQS3XRTO https://t.co/FyqutCkfjO'Nov 19 20:56
*TweetTuxMachines @softpedialinux favourited 'Nvidia Driver Now Supports Xorg 1.18, It's Getting...'Nov 19 20:56
*TweetTuxMachines @softpedialinux favourited 'KDE Plasma 5.5 Beta Has Too Many New...'Nov 19 20:56
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-news.softpedia.com | Ubuntu Touch OTA-8 Update Officially ReleasedNov 19 20:56
*TweetTuxMachines @techmuser favourited 'Parrot’s Bebop 2: smaller, faster, longer-lasting, Linux-fortified https://t.co/Shh2gqxsCl'Nov 19 20:56
TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     Red Hat adds up-to-date languages to RHELNov 19 20:56
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.zdnet.com | ​Red Hat adds up-to-date languages to RHEL | ZDNetNov 19 20:56
TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     i.MX6 SoloX COM sports dual GbE controllersNov 19 20:59
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-linuxgizmos.com | i.MX6 SoloX COM sports dual GbE controllers ·  LinuxGizmos.comNov 19 20:59
TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     If it's not practical to redistribute freeNov 19 20:59
TweetTuxMachines                 software, it's not free software in practiceNov 19 20:59
TweetTuxMachines                 https://t.co/DqU3ohxOwx (mjg59.dreamwidth.org)Nov 19 20:59
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-mjg59.dreamwidth.org | mjg59 | If it's not practical to redistribute free software, it's not free software in practiceNov 19 20:59
TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     Clonezilla Live 2.4.3-3 Linux Distro AddsNov 19 20:59
TweetTuxMachines                 Support for NILFS2, Based on Debian SidNov 19 20:59
TweetTuxMachines                 https://t.co/HgBY1egPZr (news.softpedia.com)Nov 19 20:59
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-news.softpedia.com | Clonezilla Live 2.4.3-3 Linux Distro Adds Support for NILFS2, Based on Debian SidNov 19 21:00
TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     GNOME 3.19.2 unstable tarballs dueNov 19 21:00
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-permalink.gmane.org | GNOME 3.19.2 unstable tarballs dueNov 19 21:00
TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     8 ways Red Hat’s CMO is building a modernNov 19 21:01
TweetTuxMachines                 marketing strategy https://t.co/txBamyGUgiNov 19 21:01
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.cmo.com.au | 8 ways Red Hat’s CMO is building a modern marketing strategy - CMO AustraliaNov 19 21:01
TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     How were Linux kernel servers rooted four yearsNov 19 21:01
TweetTuxMachines                 ago? https://t.co/Z50p6M4Snu (www.itwire.com)Nov 19 21:01
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.itwire.com | iTWire - How were Linux kernel servers rooted four years ago?Nov 19 21:01
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*TweetTuxMachines @softpedialinux favourited 'Clonezilla Live 2.4.3-3 Linux Distro Adds Support for...'Nov 19 21:15
TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     Cherry Trail stick-PC supports Android, UbuntuNov 19 21:15
TweetTuxMachines                 Snappy https://t.co/kxRxebtCAvNov 19 21:15
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-linuxgizmos.com | Cherry Trail stick-PC supports Android, Ubuntu Snappy ·  LinuxGizmos.comNov 19 21:15
TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     Watch: DOOM First-Person Shooter Video GameNov 19 21:15
TweetTuxMachines                 Running on Ubuntu Phone https://t.co/i5WxqP1356Nov 19 21:15
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-linux.softpedia.com | Watch: DOOM First-Person Shooter Video Game Running on Ubuntu PhoneNov 19 21:15
*TweetTuxMachines @softpedialinux favourited 'Watch: DOOM First-Person Shooter Video Game Running on...'Nov 19 21:22
TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     Changing Tack: Evolving Attitudes to OpenNov 19 21:23
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Changing Tack: Evolving Attitudes to Open Source | Tux MachinesNov 19 21:23
schestowitzRe: Microshafts latest strategy to kill googleNov 19 21:37
schestowitz> Integrate Bing directly into the desktop and applications: quote:Nov 19 21:37
schestowitz> Nov 19 21:37
schestowitz> "Microsoft’s strategy was based on making search an “ambient” experienceNov 19 21:37
schestowitz> by integrating Bing into multiple features, including Office and theNov 19 21:37
schestowitz> personal assistant service Cortana .. Microsoft was prepared toNov 19 21:37
schestowitz> introduce Bing into the Skype platform to benefit users"Nov 19 21:37
schestowitz> Nov 19 21:37
schestowitz> “In Windows 10 you are seeing Bing integrated into the overall service.”Nov 19 21:37
schestowitz> Nov 19 21:37
schestowitz> 'Users of the Word word-processing system can right-click on a word orNov 19 21:37
schestowitz> phrase and receive insights directly from the Bing index.'Nov 19 21:37
schestowitz> Nov 19 21:37
schestowitz> http://www.independent.co.uk/news/business/analysis-and-features/rik-van-der-kooi-microsoft-ups-its-challenge-to-google-with-big-plans-for-bing-a6739976.htmlNov 19 21:37
schestowitzThey won't succeed. They're trying though... OEMs are breaking up with them. More over time...Nov 19 21:37
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.independent.co.uk | Rik van der Kooi: Microsoft ups its challenge to Google with big plans for Bing | Business Analysis & Features | News | The Independent [ http://ur1.ca/oam1x ]Nov 19 21:37
schestowitzRe: NYC Map the Homeless ..Nov 19 21:37
schestowitz> http://nycmapthehomeless.com/map.phpNov 19 21:37
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-nycmapthehomeless.com | NYC Map The HomelessNov 19 21:37
schestowitz> Nov 19 21:37
schestowitz> This is an interesting app, how would someone go about creatingNov 19 21:37
schestowitz> something similar for London. it would be of use to the Homeless sector.Nov 19 21:37
schestowitz> The gov says the numbers are going down while the charities say theNov 19 21:37
schestowitz> opposite.Nov 19 21:37
schestowitzBorisismNov 19 21:37
cubexyzhmmmmNov 19 21:40
cubexyzI would have thought that the homeless would be a certain percentage of the populationNov 19 21:40
cubexyzpop goes up homeless goes upNov 19 21:40
schestowitzhttps://joindiaspora.com/posts/6829408Nov 19 21:41
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: Microsoft reuses an old script and it's a lie http://news.softpedia.com/news/microsoft-windows-10-is-the-most-secure-operating-system-496352.shtml if back doors and spyware is 'security' http://techrights.org/wiki/index.php/Vista_10_Reality_LogNov 19 21:41
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights--> news.softpedia.com | Microsoft: Windows 10 Is the Most Secure Operating SystemNov 19 21:41
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights--> techrights.org | Vista 10 Reality Log - TechrightsNov 19 21:41
schestowitz"Windows es malo, espía, restringe y controla al usuario de lo que hace…"Nov 19 21:41
schestowitz"^ verdad'Nov 19 21:41
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TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     MagicStick and More UbuntuNov 19 22:45
TweetTuxMachines                 https://t.co/dTm9w1B5u1 (www.tuxmachines.org)Nov 19 22:45
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | MagicStick and More Ubuntu | Tux MachinesNov 19 22:45
TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     Bodhi 3.1.1 Released, Fedora 21 EOL, Mint 17.3Nov 19 22:45
TweetTuxMachines                 Betas https://t.co/tXDbdja6s6Nov 19 22:45
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Bodhi 3.1.1 Released, Fedora 21 EOL, Mint 17.3 Betas | Tux MachinesNov 19 22:45
cubexyzok, some updates to foss-matrix:Nov 19 23:56
cubexyzhttp://www.maxhost.org/other/foss-matrix.txtNov 19 23:56
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TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     What's the Future of the Chromebook?Nov 20 05:45
TweetTuxMachines                 https://t.co/fJIjoCaafoNov 20 05:45
TweetTuxMachines                 (www.consumerreports.org)Nov 20 05:45
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.consumerreports.org | What's the Future of the Chromebook? - Consumer ReportsNov 20 05:45
TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     MOST Linux Driver Supports Microchip InterfaceNov 20 05:45
TweetTuxMachines                 Controllers https://t.co/zLIimKmUK0Nov 20 05:45
TweetTuxMachines                 (electronics360.globalspec.com)Nov 20 05:45
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-electronics360.globalspec.com | MOST Linux Driver Supports Microchip Interface Controllers | IHS Electronics360Nov 20 05:45
TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     https://t.co/fa0NntTwrpNov 20 05:45
TweetTuxMachines                 (networking.itbusinessnet.com)Nov 20 05:45
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-networking.itbusinessnet.com | Cloudpaging Leader Numecent Announces $15.5M Series-B InvestmentNov 20 05:45
TweetTuxMachines@MUSTart         Open #Community #Art #Projects AwardNov 20 05:50
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-paper.li | Open Community Art Projects Award #OpenArt #FreeArt #Art4goodNov 20 05:50
TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     Arduino Meets Linux: Arduino introduces its 3rdNov 20 05:50
TweetTuxMachines                 generation platform https://t.co/aVdLcXHKqcNov 20 05:50
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-electronics360.globalspec.com | Arduino Meets Linux: Arduino introduces its 3rd generation platform | IHS Electronics360Nov 20 05:50
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TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     More Red Hat News https://t.co/XlyWq5jGKONov 20 06:52
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | More Red Hat News | Tux MachinesNov 20 06:52
TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     Leftovers: Gaming https://t.co/qh5A54jU1CNov 20 06:53
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Leftovers: Gaming | Tux MachinesNov 20 06:53
TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     today's howtos https://t.co/6VcD18WPFkNov 20 06:54
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | today's howtos | Tux MachinesNov 20 06:54
TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     Leftovers: Kernel https://t.co/wSqzJWpCbSNov 20 07:15
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Leftovers: Kernel | Tux MachinesNov 20 07:15
TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     Leftovers: Software https://t.co/aNEteVLAs4Nov 20 07:15
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Leftovers: Software | Tux MachinesNov 20 07:15
TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     Links 20/11/2015: DockerCon EU, Red HatNov 20 07:16
TweetTuxMachines                 Enterprise Linux 7.2 https://t.co/fbkhRMLiJuNov 20 07:16
TweetTuxMachines                 (techrights.org)Nov 20 07:16
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*TweetTuxMachines @schestowitz retweeted @tuxmachines: 'Links 20/11/2015: DockerCon EU, Red Hat Enterprise Linux...'Nov 20 07:16
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Links 20/11/2015: DockerCon EU, Red Hat Enterprise Linux 7.2 | TechrightsNov 20 07:16
schestowitzhttps://twitter.com/Sheikh_al_Touar/status/667678874604539904Nov 20 07:29
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@Sheikh_al_Touar: Based on my own experience & on feedback received, your work is appreciated & valued, this isn't a rumor but a fact! https://t.co/lmsuY0zIM6Nov 20 07:29
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz: Nice to see people appreciating sacrifice https://t.co/EjhRZjlKv2 htt... https://t.co/BfcuHn2h3kNov 20 07:29
*TweetTuxMachines @The_Code_Shirts retweeted @tuxmachines: 'Links 20/11/2015: DockerCon EU, Red Hat Enterprise Linux...'Nov 20 07:43
*TweetTuxMachines @softpedialinux favourited 'Snappy Ubuntu Core 16.04 Images to Drop the...'Nov 20 07:43
*TweetTuxMachines @softpedialinux favourited 'Latest Ubuntu SDK Release Drops All Qt Dependencies,...'Nov 20 07:43
*TweetTuxMachines @softpedialinux favourited 'Pitivi Open-Source Video Editor Gets New Beta Release,...'Nov 20 08:22
TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     More From DockerCon https://t.co/vmeQVM6dZrNov 20 08:22
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | More From DockerCon | Tux MachinesNov 20 08:22
TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     today's leftovers https://t.co/XPFPK2SNgWNov 20 08:22
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | today's leftovers | Tux MachinesNov 20 08:23
schestowitzhttps://twitter.com/sapo2025/status/667711062880477185Nov 20 09:47
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@sapo2025: @alvfig @eliaspraciano @coisasdogeek @hgfernan @Mackellsud @Darkwings1Mr @schestowitz @brigserman @ro7_so67 consciência negra?dia de Índio!Nov 20 09:47
schestowitzhttp://ipkitten.blogspot.co.uk/Nov 20 09:51
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-ipkitten.blogspot.co.uk | The IPKatNov 20 09:51
schestowitz"Around the weblogs 2.  Mark Anderson's ever-useful IP Draughts turns its attention to common pitfalls in IP licensing: they are (i) wrong type of transaction, (ii) mismatch of expectations, (iii) wrong mindset for negotiating deal and (iv)  being locked into a long-term, loveless relationship.  If you want to list any further pitfalls, do post them on Mark's blog.  Aistemos asks whether the terms "disruptive innovation" and "disruptive Nov 20 09:51
schestowitztechnology" are a help or a hindrance to current innovation and investment analyses, and also takes a look at the distribution and ownership of aquaculture patents in today's herding catfish post. Latest European Patent Office-related blogposts: FOSS Patents, here; Techrights, here. The EPO Blog itself reports on a successful start for PCT Direct."Nov 20 09:51
schestowitz" Techrights here, here and here; to the contrary effect, see WIPR here and IAM here"Nov 20 09:51
schestowitzhttp://ipkitten.blogspot.co.uk/2015/11/labouring-point-epo-dispute-culture.htmlNov 20 09:51
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-ipkitten.blogspot.co.uk | The IPKat: Labouring the point? EPO dispute culture festers; the contagion spreadsNov 20 09:51
schestowitz" This moggy is not the first blogger to pass comment on the problem. Many readers have already spotted "The International Labour Organisation Highlights Problems of Broader Dimensions at EPO", posted on Roy Schestowitz's Techrights blog, which summarises matters succinctly:"Nov 20 09:51
TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     Improving accessibility for 8 open sourceNov 20 09:52
TweetTuxMachines                 projects https://t.co/toj7Jbis7iNov 20 09:52
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schestowitzhttp://ipkitten.blogspot.co.uk/2015/11/labouring-point-epo-dispute-culture.htmlNov 20 09:52
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Improving accessibility for 8 open source projects | Tux MachinesNov 20 09:52
schestowitz"    Worth reading http://techrights.org/2015/11/04/epo-iu-secret-matters/ for background to the EPO investigation procedure. Usually, that member of the parish's comments are a bit OTT for my tastes but this time the last contribution seems to explain clearly the power grab by the President which has basically given himself the right to override everybody else's 'rights' and which is one cause of the number of ILO appeals since there is no Nov 20 09:52
schestowitzother way to seek even the slightest hope of justice."Nov 20 09:52
TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     Linux monitoring tools to keep your hardwareNov 20 09:52
TweetTuxMachines                 cool https://t.co/P5cQt9sMYmNov 20 09:52
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | The EPO’s Investigative Unit Exposed: Part I | TechrightsNov 20 09:52
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schestowitz"Nov 20 09:52
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Linux monitoring tools to keep your hardware cool | Tux MachinesNov 20 09:52
schestowitzNow there's a follow-on article ...Nov 20 09:52
schestowitzThe EPO’s Investigative Unit Exposed: Part IINov 20 09:52
schestowitz"Nov 20 09:52
TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     Unity 8 for Ubuntu Desktop Explained - What YouNov 20 09:52
TweetTuxMachines                 Need to Know https://t.co/oniQTqfu07Nov 20 09:52
schestowitz"Nov 20 09:52
TweetTuxMachines                 (www.tuxmachines.org)Nov 20 09:52
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schestowitzPart III has just been published.Nov 20 09:52
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Unity 8 for Ubuntu Desktop Explained - What You Need to Know | Tux MachinesNov 20 09:52
schestowitzThe EPO’s Investigative Unit Exposed: Part IIINov 20 09:52
schestowitzLooks like there is more to follow ...Nov 20 09:53
schestowitz"Nov 20 09:53
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schestowitzhttps://twitter.com/laurelrusswurm/status/667721499147501568Nov 20 10:14
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@laurelrusswurm: @schestowitz The reason states have always been willing to establish #copyright monopoly is to facilitate censorship.Nov 20 10:14
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schestowitzjgay: pingNov 20 10:16
jgayschestowitz, hello!Nov 20 10:16
schestowitzI want to ask you somethingNov 20 10:16
schestowitzHas the FSF looked into the patent agreement between Red Hat and Microsoft? Piana and Tiller would claim it's GPL compatible, but the wording in the FAQ make it look exclusionary and there's no transparency..Nov 20 10:17
TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     How To Fix Time Difference Between Ubuntu AndNov 20 10:41
TweetTuxMachines                 Windows https://t.co/2EJySKDIskNov 20 10:41
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | How To Fix Time Difference Between Ubuntu And Windows | Tux MachinesNov 20 10:41
TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     Today in Techrights https://t.co/NpEDFFKQdtNov 20 10:42
TweetTuxMachines                 (www.tuxmachines.org)Nov 20 10:42
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schestowitzjgay: no comment?Nov 20 10:52
schestowitzCan you please ask around, for us...?Nov 20 10:52
jgayschestowitz, hi, sorry, I had just signed on for the day and got sucked down the rabbit hole of email, etcNov 20 10:53
schestowitzah, ok, no rush :)Nov 20 10:53
schestowitzI thought about mailing RMS about it, but haven't (yet)Nov 20 10:53
jgayschestowitz, emailing me and/or licensing@fsf.org will save us all a step anyhow, so pinging me was the right thing to doNov 20 10:53
jgaybecause most likely RMS's next step would be to forward your email to me and then ask me to look into it :_)Nov 20 10:54
jgay:-)Nov 20 10:54
schestowitzok, thanksNov 20 10:59
MinceRand even if it was legally GPL-compatible, it's still against the spirit of the GPL just like the novell deal wasNov 20 11:00
MinceR(iirc they say it only applies to their customers)Nov 20 11:00
schestowitzNovell's was differentNov 20 11:01
schestowitzbut we need to actually understand what Red Hat agreed with MS onNov 20 11:01
schestowitzas Microsoft can use this behind closed doors against other companies, for pressure/leverage...Nov 20 11:02
jgayschestowitz, I have not looked into this matter yet personally. I'm going to discuss it internally and then I'll let you know if we have an opinion we are ready to share publicly yet about itNov 20 11:12
jgayschestowitz, also, just a heads-up, I think I'll be publishing a couple press releases, probably on Monday and Tuesday of next week ... just in case you need to gas up the old tux machine ahead of time :-) Nov 20 11:13
schestowitzah, good, well, both myself and my wife and subscribed to gnu planet and fsf RSS feeds, so will see it within ~1 hourNov 20 11:19
schestowitzwith Red Hat, not an urgent matter, but we need to understand what actually happened. Just before Easter 2007 Novell did release redacted contractual detailsNov 20 11:19
schestowitzMaking it possible to see what they agreed about packages like Wine for instance...Nov 20 11:20
schestowitzMinceR: http://arstechnica.co.uk/tech-policy/2015/11/uk-cops-allegedly-snooped-on-journalists-to-hunt-down-police-whistleblower/Nov 20 11:20
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-arstechnica.co.uk | UK cops allegedly snooped on journalists to hunt down police whistleblower | Ars Technica UKNov 20 11:20
schestowitzquite shocking, not surprising thoughNov 20 11:20
schestowitzthe spooks here are truly out of order nowNov 20 11:20
schestowitzand they're motivated by our crazy Pry MinisterNov 20 11:20
schestowitzso probably not a good idea to immigrate to the UK anymore...Nov 20 11:21
TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     Today in Techrights https://t.co/NpEDFFKQdtNov 20 11:21
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Today in Techrights | Tux MachinesNov 20 11:21
TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     Today in Techrights https://t.co/JxxLXZYNOKNov 20 11:21
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Today in Techrights | Tux MachinesNov 20 11:22
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schestowitzhttps://joindiaspora.com/posts/6835256Nov 20 11:51
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: In an Effort to Counter #EPO Staff Narrative (After ~2,000 of Staff Protest) EPO Management Portrays Staff as Violent http://techrights.org/2015/11/20/misportrayed-epo-staff/Nov 20 11:51
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights--> techrights.org | In an Effort to Counter EPO Staff Narrative (After ~2,000 of Staff Protest) EPO Management Portrays Staff as Violent But Provides No Evidence | TechrightsNov 20 11:51
schestowitzhttps://joindiaspora.com/posts/6835530Nov 20 11:51
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: Ed @snowden reminds us that scripts are unsafe, the ad industry is bringing this on themselves by not serving PNG/GIF https://theintercept.com/2015/11/12/edward-snowden-explains-how-to-reclaim-your-privacy/Nov 20 11:51
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights--> theintercept.com | Edward Snowden Explains How To Reclaim Your PrivacyNov 20 11:51
schestowitzhttps://joindiaspora.com/posts/6835739Nov 20 11:51
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: CIA Chief: Terrorists Harder to Find, Because of Leaks, Reforms https://soylentnews.org/article.pl?sid=15/11/18/1314225 what utter nonsense... #cia action helps them recruitNov 20 11:51
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-SSL connect error ( status 0 @ https://soylentnews.org/article.pl?sid=15/11/18/1314225 )Nov 20 11:51
TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     Today in Techrights https://t.co/JxxLXZYNOKNov 20 12:28
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TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     The Next Cheap Android Phone ComesNov 20 12:28
TweetTuxMachines                 From...Pepsi? https://t.co/HAKYpeyurYNov 20 12:28
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-gizmodo.com | The Next Cheap Android Phone Comes From...Pepsi?Nov 20 12:28
TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     Review: 5 memory debuggers for Linux codingNov 20 12:28
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.computerworld.com | Review: 5 memory debuggers for Linux coding | ComputerworldNov 20 12:28
TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     Linux monitoring tools to keep your hardwareNov 20 12:28
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TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     Unity 8 for Ubuntu Desktop Explained - What YouNov 20 12:28
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schestowitzI'm getting tired of systemd, my computer is unusableNov 20 12:37
schestowitzI think kde spent too much effort on this crapNov 20 12:37
schestowitzand they went more than a decade backNov 20 12:37
schestowitzin terms of performance, it feels worse than kde on my machines 10 years agoNov 20 12:37
schestowitzand systemd is not fast at allNov 20 12:37
schestowitzit take longer than before to bootNov 20 12:37
schestowitzand it loads things in improper orderNov 20 12:37
schestowitzand sometimes won't shut downNov 20 12:38
schestowitzit's a clusterf*ckNov 20 12:38
schestowitzthe whole of gnu/linux desktop thing seems to have been derailed or taken back 15 years by this rubbushNov 20 12:38
schestowitznow I need to find some old distro, maybe LTS, which predates this messNov 20 12:39
schestowitzRianne uses 12.04 LTSNov 20 12:39
schestowitzmaybe I can move to it, but supported for only 1.5 years more...Nov 20 12:39
MinceRoiaohm will explain how there's no problem with your computer :>Nov 20 12:42
MinceRother things have harmed the gnu/linux desktop as wellNov 20 12:42
MinceRgnome2, gnome3, kde4, pulseaudio, networkmanager, dbus, ...Nov 20 12:43
schestowitzare things this bad in other DEs?Nov 20 13:24
schestowitzHave you used some other DE with systemd?Nov 20 13:24
schestowitz(yet?)Nov 20 13:24
schestowitzI haven't (yet)Nov 20 13:24
schestowitzwant to see how fast it really bootsNov 20 13:25
schestowitzas that was the main promise of the so-called (just an) 'init' system...Nov 20 13:25
schestowitzwith systemd I need to reboot a lot moreNov 20 13:25
schestowitzbut maybe it's also the fault of kde in kf5Nov 20 13:25
schestowitzapplications start before even plasma is loadedNov 20 13:26
schestowitzso they show up in a black screenNov 20 13:26
schestowitzit's horridNov 20 13:26
schestowitzand not manageableNov 20 13:26
schestowitzI also need to kill everything akonadi each time I start kdeNov 20 13:26
schestowitzin kubuntu 15.04, when booting, it would just say "starting systemd VERSION"Nov 20 13:26
schestowitznow they at least replaced that with a splash screen, in 15.10Nov 20 13:27
schestowitzbut many of the issues persistNov 20 13:27
schestowitzincluding major bugsNov 20 13:27
schestowitzand performance issues are virtually unaddressedNov 20 13:27
schestowitzon the bright side, the system has not been thoroughly hosed/bricked, at least not yetNov 20 13:28
schestowitzso no D-R scenarioaNov 20 13:28
schestowitzhttps://twitter.com/Wikinaut/status/667767627595517954Nov 20 13:30
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@Wikinaut: @schestowitz https://t.co/wRQe5aYKUoNov 20 13:30
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights--> ipkitten.blogspot.com | The IPKat: Read it for yourself: Enlarged Board decision Art 23 1/15Nov 20 13:30
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MinceRxfce and lxde are a lot betterNov 20 13:41
MinceRi haven't seen much of lxqt yetNov 20 13:41
MinceRi've used xfce with systemd (on fedora 15)Nov 20 13:41
MinceRthere was some weird behaviorNov 20 13:41
schestowitzbut Ok overall?Nov 20 13:42
MinceRwell, it was YUM's unreliability that eventually put me offNov 20 13:42
MinceRi don't know how much of my troubles were due to systemd or which of them wereNov 20 13:43
MinceRstill, that was the only time i remember xscreensaver crashingNov 20 13:43
MinceRand i got a gnome-like screen locker on a gnome wallpaper (neither of which i asked for) cover for it when it didNov 20 13:43
schestowitzhttp://ipkitten.blogspot.co.uk/2015/11/read-it-for-yourself-enlarged-board.htmlNov 20 13:48
schestowitzhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0K0oYcGD9V0&feature=youtu.be&t=80Nov 20 13:48
schestowitzLOLNov 20 13:48
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-ipkitten.blogspot.co.uk | The IPKat: Read it for yourself: Enlarged Board decision Art 23 1/15Nov 20 13:48
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.youtube.com | Trading Places 1983 Ending - YouTubeNov 20 13:48
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schestowitzseems like quote a few people from munich stalk meNov 20 13:52
Guest11000how can I send an email to Roy?Nov 20 13:52
schestowitz"Munich" named by academia.eduNov 20 13:52
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oiaohmMinceR: I remember the mode systemd is using https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Release_early,_release_oftenNov 20 22:59
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MinceRoiaohm: i can't find the part where it says "and force it on everyone you can before it's anywhere near maturity"Nov 20 23:00
MinceRi also can't find the part where it says "code before you think, and then don't bother thinking"Nov 20 23:00
oiaohmMinceR:  RERO mode does not include wait until the code is mature before using.Nov 20 23:02
oiaohmmode/modelNov 20 23:02
MinceRoiaohm: can you name another product developed in the RERO model that was nearly as aggressively forced on users as cancerd?Nov 20 23:03
oiaohmMinceR: to be correct I can its early gcc with its incompadibliesNov 20 23:03
MinceRoh, so you can't have two or more compilers installed or running at the same time on a system?Nov 20 23:05
MinceRoh wait, you can!Nov 20 23:05
MinceRso let's try this again...Nov 20 23:05
MinceRoiaohm: can you name another product developed in the RERO model that was nearly as aggressively forced on users as cancerd?Nov 20 23:05
oiaohmEarly in gcc history it overwrite items other compliers used.Nov 20 23:05
MinceRwhen was this, exactly?Nov 20 23:06
oiaohmcc for example.Nov 20 23:06
oiaohmEarly gcc does not have the before it name.Nov 20 23:06
oiaohmBasically as gcc, glibc, binutils matured they got better behaving.Nov 20 23:07
MinceRand you can't run install it in a different place and refer to it explicitly or change your PATH?Nov 20 23:07
oiaohmEarly gcc the autotools path change was broken.Nov 20 23:07
MinceRwhich OSes were subverted from outside to force that particular early gcc on all of their users?Nov 20 23:07
oiaohmBack in the time gcc was nastyly broken people said that solaris and other unixs were not usable until you installed gnu/gcc parts.Nov 20 23:08
oiaohmSo yes OSes were subverted Nov 20 23:09
oiaohmWhat is happened with systemd is not exactly the first time this has happened.Nov 20 23:09
oiaohmThe question is will systemd mature.Nov 20 23:09
MinceRwhich of those shipped gcc by default?Nov 20 23:09
MinceRalso, was gcc broken or was slowlaris broken?Nov 20 23:09
oiaohmTo be correct both gcc and slowaris was broken.Nov 20 23:14
oiaohmgcc was breaking the default compliers on Unixs when it installed.Nov 20 23:14
oiaohmSo that was gcc being broken.Nov 20 23:14
oiaohmAlso the issue is all the default Unix compliers had different levels of standard conformanceNov 20 23:14
oiaohmSo from 2001 you find a Linux source compadiblity on all Unix systems that include gcc complier.Nov 20 23:15
oiaohmAll the differnet Unix complier linkers had different ways for formating libraries as well Mincer.   Today you find them formating like gnu binutils.Nov 20 23:16
oiaohmSo if systemd follows the gcc model we will end up with competitors taking on some if not all features from the application side of systemd.Nov 20 23:17
MinceRyeah, so everyone copies all the braindeadness of systemdNov 20 23:18
MinceRsystemd wins, unix diesNov 20 23:18
MinceRonce everybody believes they want all of these much-hyped misfeaturesNov 20 23:19
oiaohmRemember all the c compliers on Unix now have gcc emulation modes that copy gcc miss features.Nov 20 23:19
MinceRand all of them in pid1, or even in the kernel, if possibleNov 20 23:19
MinceRremember that all the c compilers on unix now can be installed side by sideNov 20 23:20
oiaohmOnly years latter MinceRNov 20 23:20
oiaohmSo we are too soon to know if systemd will properly mature or not.Nov 20 23:20
MinceRwe are, if we have no knowledge of software engineeringNov 20 23:20
MinceRbut luckily, i happen to have someNov 20 23:20
oiaohmRERO has been some of systemd biggerst problem.Nov 20 23:21
oiaohmhttp://0pointer.net/blog/introducing-sd-event.html  this making sd-event is that systemd has had to wake up kdbus is not coming any time soon.Nov 20 23:22
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MinceRno, RERO doesn't even touch on systemd's biggest problemsNov 20 23:22
oiaohmSo work around to get program out door under REPO has to be fixed up.Nov 20 23:22
oiaohmREPO is horible in that it allowed doing code hacks until parts are implemented.Nov 20 23:22
MinceRit would have helped to not force kdbus in the first placeNov 20 23:22
oiaohmSo you can get program out the door to test it.Nov 20 23:23
MinceRwhen everybody with a bit of sense said it was a stupid ideaNov 20 23:23
oiaohmNot exactly kdbus idea does make some techicincal sense.   But its not going to be simple to implement.Nov 20 23:23
MinceRbut yeah, let's wait and see if adding together all the antitheses of good design will magically result in something worthwhileNov 20 23:23
MinceRno, it does notNov 20 23:23
oiaohmREPO does not have focus on design.Nov 20 23:24
MinceRthe overhead they were whining about did not come from context switchesNov 20 23:24
MinceRdemonstrablyNov 20 23:24
MinceRRERO does not say "do not design before coding"Nov 20 23:24
oiaohmREPO does not say design before coding either.Nov 20 23:24
MinceRso quit blaming RERO for itNov 20 23:25
oiaohmREPO model allows hacked up next to proper design.Nov 20 23:25
MinceRyet more cargo-cultingNov 20 23:25
oiaohmsystemd is a good example of why you don't want to use REPO as your development model alone.Nov 20 23:25
MinceRno, it is notNov 20 23:25
oiaohmO yes it is.Nov 20 23:25
oiaohmIt has done everything wrong that REPO allows.Nov 20 23:26
MinceRit's a good example of why you need software engineering skills to do software engineering.Nov 20 23:26
MinceR(which apparently redcrap failed to get in any form)Nov 20 23:26
oiaohmMinceR: really how many software engineering people normally use the REPO mode aloneNov 20 23:26
oiaohmmode/modelNov 20 23:26
oiaohmNormally none.Nov 20 23:26
MinceRit's not much of a development methodologyNov 20 23:27
oiaohmREPO with a solid QA model is ok.Nov 20 23:28
MinceRit still doesn't say much about the processNov 20 23:28
oiaohmTry to find systemd QA model.Nov 20 23:28
MinceRtheir QA model is the "lalalalalala i can't hear you" modelNov 20 23:29
MinceRalso known as "CLOSED WONTFIX"Nov 20 23:29
MinceRoh, their QA model also includes the "none of us tests for this" principleNov 20 23:29
MinceRbut you don't need testing if you're going to ignore all the feedback you get anywayNov 20 23:30
oiaohmMinceR:  you are kinda wrong.Nov 20 23:30
oiaohmIf you had watched the systemd conf videos you would know they are only just talking about creating a QA model for systemd.Nov 20 23:31
MinceRactually, i'm demonstrably right.Nov 20 23:31
MinceRhttps://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=74589Nov 20 23:31
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oiaohmSo currently systemd has no officially QA model.Nov 20 23:31
oiaohmSo developers can do what ever they feel like.Nov 20 23:32
MinceRyes, and i also described what "whatever they feel like" isNov 20 23:32
oiaohmOther design models that are not REPO you can get away with QA model being poor.Nov 20 23:33
oiaohmThe wine project design model is REPO but it has a very complex QA model.Nov 20 23:34
MinceRi doubt you can ever get away with the QA model being poorNov 20 23:34
MinceRRERO might actually help you get inputNov 20 23:34
oiaohmThere is a old saying garbage in garbage out.Nov 20 23:34
MinceRthere's no release model that fixes poettering living in his own little dream world believing every single idea of his is perfectNov 20 23:35
oiaohmREPO might get input but if you are not producing quality code the output still will be garbage.Nov 20 23:35
MinceRexcept the one that says "never release, ever"Nov 20 23:35
MinceRthat would have helped systemdNov 20 23:35
MinceRin the sense that there would be no systemdNov 20 23:35
oiaohmTo be correct poettering has not believed every idea he has had is correct.Nov 20 23:36
MinceRcitation neededNov 20 23:36
oiaohmRecent systemd conference video he admitted over kdbus.Nov 20 23:36
MinceRoohNov 20 23:36
MinceRand how long did that take?Nov 20 23:36
MinceRi wonder what sort of cluebat they had to resort to make him realize that _after_ trying to force Linus to merge that piece of shitNov 20 23:36
MinceR053524 < oiaohm> REPO might get input but if you are not producing quality code the output still will be garbage.Nov 20 23:37
MinceRand without thinking ever, your output will be garbageNov 20 23:37
MinceRregardless of release modelNov 20 23:37
oiaohmTake wine project mode where everything faces off against test cases and static checking.   How bad the garbage can be is limited.Nov 20 23:38
oiaohmThe clue bad was fedora kernel maintainer removing kdbus.Nov 20 23:38
MinceRalso how much of the garbage people will notice when the entire purpose of the software is to provide a compatibility layer that emulates garbageNov 20 23:39
oiaohmSo it was not even acceptable to tthe maintainer of the fedora kernel.Nov 20 23:39
MinceRand yet it was somehow acceptable to gregkhNov 20 23:39
oiaohmTo be correct gregkh picked it up and started clean it up.Nov 20 23:39
oiaohmAnd gregkh keep on putting back the merge attempts.Nov 20 23:40
oiaohmSo it was not getting past gregkh.Nov 20 23:40
oiaohmLinus also did the correct thing of asking for proper benchmarks of performance gains before merging could be considered.Nov 20 23:41
MinceRhe shouldn't have needed to ask for thatNov 20 23:41
oiaohmSo between Linux and gregkh kdbus end up in the doomed area.Nov 20 23:41
MinceRit should be clear that kdbus is entirely ill-conceivedNov 20 23:41
oiaohmRemember raw repo model without a QA model no test cases being made.Nov 20 23:41
MinceRit only looks like a good idea to people like winblows nt and macos developersNov 20 23:42
oiaohmkdbus is not completley ill-conceived.Nov 20 23:42
MinceRthe "throw it into the kernel" guys and the "hey, i have an idea, let's weld to kernels together for no reason" guysNov 20 23:42
MinceRs/to k/two k/Nov 20 23:42
oiaohmMessaging that depends on files or networking does have it issues.Nov 20 23:42
MinceRso whenever something has issues, we just move it into the kernel?Nov 20 23:42
MinceRingenious!Nov 20 23:42
MinceRlet's get rid of userspace entirely, that way we can enjoy bugfree software!Nov 20 23:43
oiaohmBig thing about moving into dbus into kernel was to reduce some of those issues.Nov 20 23:43
MinceRwhat could possibly go wrong?Nov 20 23:43
oiaohmbut from microkernel it is right.Nov 20 23:43
MinceRi bet you could reduce more of those issues by moving dbus into the landfill instead.Nov 20 23:43
oiaohmBut the design has to be right.Nov 20 23:43
MinceRalong with the people who came up with it.Nov 20 23:43
oiaohmYou are correct lot of dbus need to be redesigned.Nov 20 23:44
MinceRshow me one functioning, mature, multiserver microkernel system.Nov 20 23:44
oiaohmLike dbus has not time stamped messages.Nov 20 23:44
MinceRdbus doesn't even handle being restarted properlyNov 20 23:44
oiaohmqnx other than blackberry ruining it.Nov 20 23:44
MinceRqnx always sucked, afaictNov 20 23:44
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MinceRtheir demo disk couldn't even handle a standard mouse.Nov 20 23:45
MinceRalso, afaik nobody uses qnx except blackberryNov 20 23:45
oiaohmI have used qnx for embedded.Nov 20 23:45
oiaohmwhen it was provided as a independant product.Nov 20 23:45
oiaohmdbus no timestamps on messages, being oversized, and not able to restart safely.Nov 20 23:47
MinceRat any rate, microkernel is exactly the opposite of the "throw it into the kernel" "thinking" kdbus exemplifies.Nov 20 23:47
oiaohmMost good microkernel have some for of API for setting up clean messaging servers so messaging servers can restart safely.Nov 20 23:47
MinceRand dbus has neither of thoseNov 20 23:47
oiaohmNot the clean api has to be kernel so processes can stop store messages while the messaging server restarts.Nov 20 23:48
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MinceRyet they didn't want to do thatNov 20 23:48
MinceRthey wanted to do the whole thing in the kernelNov 20 23:48
oiaohmSo there is a need for a kdbus of some form.Nov 20 23:48
MinceRno, that's not "a kdbus"Nov 20 23:48
oiaohmJust not the form systemd developers pushed.Nov 20 23:49
oiaohmThe current redesigns of kdbus are about slimiing it down a lot.   Emulating old dbus functionality of course pushed to userspace.Nov 20 23:50
MinceRand they'll still call it kdbus because they can't accept being proven wrongNov 20 23:51
oiaohmNot exactly.Nov 20 23:52
oiaohmkeeping the same name keeps the log of rejected ideas.Nov 20 23:52
oiaohmSo when someone suggest one of the rejected ideas you point them to the earier history.Nov 20 23:53
oiaohmwhen they have working edition then rename it.  Its just the wrong time to rename it now.Nov 20 23:53
MinceRthen again, i can't be sure if it will be "slimmed down" to only providing what's absolutely necessary to be provided by the kernelNov 20 23:53
MinceRthese people have a history of incompetence, pointless stubbornness and toxicity, after allNov 20 23:54
oiaohmLike I am not saying we can take our eyes off them.   But at least now they are heading in the right kind of directions.Nov 20 23:55
oiaohmhttp://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=KDBUS-Back-To-DesignNov 20 23:56
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oiaohmI particularly like that the new kdbus is attempting to be design so any messaging solution could choose to use it.Nov 20 23:56
cubexyzI got over 2,000 commands in /usr/bin on FC1Nov 20 23:59
cubexyzI'm sure there's lots of them I've never usedNov 20 23:59
cubexyzand that's old :)Nov 20 23:59
cubexyzdo a /usr/bin | wc and see what the number isNov 21 00:00
cubexyzthe idea of a slimmed down distro is appealingNov 21 00:00
cubexyzer, ls /usr/bin | wcNov 21 00:01
cubexyzwcNov 21 00:01
oiaohmOk your system slimer than mine.   Mine is over 5000Nov 21 00:02
oiaohmI am 100 percent sure I have not used all of them.Nov 21 00:02
cubexyzanyways as a comparison Unix v7 had 155 commandsNov 21 00:02
oiaohmI know windows out box is less than 1000Nov 21 00:04
cubexyzI'm sure the base install would be less than 5,000 Nov 21 00:04
cubexyzyou've probably installed a lot of packagesNov 21 00:04
cubexyzit's not a very good organizational method... 5K of commands in one directoryNov 21 00:07
oiaohmI have a huge number different things installed.Nov 21 00:09
oiaohmlatex support takes over 100 alone.Nov 21 00:09
cubexyz/usr/latex/bin ? :)Nov 21 00:09
oiaohmthat 100 in the /usr/bin directory.Nov 21 00:10
cubexyzthere's /usr/games/bin so why not?Nov 21 00:10
oiaohm100+ in the /usr/bin directory.Nov 21 00:10
cubexyzand at least the distro maintainers could have had /opt/kde/binNov 21 00:11
cubexyz/opt/trinity/bin was usedNov 21 00:12
cubexyzoiaohm, probably part of that is windows users don't usually use the command line too muchNov 21 00:13
cubexyzhence less commands, more GUI applicationsNov 21 00:13
cubexyzI just think Linux has outgrow the policy of dumping everything in /usr/binNov 21 00:14
MinceRour filesystems can handle itNov 21 00:14
MinceRalso, GoboLinux lets you dump symlinks there instead :>Nov 21 00:14
MinceRi wonder what AppFS does, thoughNov 21 00:15
cubexyzyes, I have some symlinks in /usr/binNov 21 00:15
cubexyzassaultcube got installed to /usr/bin which is definitely sillyNov 21 00:17
cubexyzI mean command reuse really got thrown out the window didn't it?Nov 21 00:18
MinceRnot all systems have /usr/games/binNov 21 00:19
cubexyzthere used to be a thing in KDE called konstructNov 21 00:29
cubexyzit would install to /home/user/kde-versionNov 21 00:29
cubexyzanyway it's malleableNov 21 00:30
cubexyzkind of like /usr/local/binNov 21 00:30
cubexyzthere was a lot of stuff just in thereNov 21 00:35
cubexyz/home/user/kde3.4.2/bin in this caseNov 21 00:35
cubexyz588 commands!Nov 21 00:35
cubexyztoday's BSOD:Nov 21 00:49
cubexyzhttp://www.maxhost.org/other/giant-outdoor-bsod.jpgNov 21 00:50
cubexyzjust in case you thought BSODs were old news, that one was on a Surface Pro 2Nov 21 00:51
cubexyzhttp://www.maxhost.org/other/jumbotron-banker-bsod.jpgNov 21 00:54
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cubexyzthis made me lol:Nov 21 03:13
cubexyzhttp://www.maxhost.org/other/vista-funny.txtNov 21 03:13
cubexyzit's not even a linux person dissing windows, it's a windows person dissing windowsNov 21 03:13
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TweetTuxMachines                 (paper.li) Stories via @DPT_Yasser @tuxmachinesNov 21 03:33
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TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     3D Printing Under Arch LinuxNov 21 03:33
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-bgr.com | Android Tasker Google Play removal | BGRNov 21 03:41
TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     The best Android gaming tablet just got a bigNov 21 03:42
TweetTuxMachines                 price drop https://t.co/CfVYeevypyNov 21 03:42
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TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     Debian/TeX Live 2015.20151116-1Nov 21 03:42
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TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     Moto G (2014) Android 6.0 Marshmallow UpdateNov 21 03:42
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TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     Raspberry Pi: Simple forms of inputNov 21 03:46
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TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     Google streams apps to Android handsetsNov 21 04:03
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TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     Top 5 Android Games From India You Must Play Nov 21 04:03
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TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     Rebuilding Android proprietary SDK binariesNov 21 04:03
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TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     Use Automate to Supercharge Android's AbilitiesNov 21 04:21
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-fieldguide.gizmodo.com | Use Automate to Supercharge Android's AbilitiesNov 21 04:21
TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     Oppo Releases Project Spectrum Beta With NearNov 21 04:21
TweetTuxMachines                 Stock Android To Appeal To Western MarketsNov 21 04:21
TweetTuxMachines                 [Video]  https://t.co/hQHgNyL6ZANov 21 04:21
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.techtimes.com | Oppo Releases Project Spectrum Beta With Near Stock Android To Appeal To Western Markets [Video] : PERSONAL TECH : Tech TimesNov 21 04:21
TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     Red Hat’s Paul Smith: Govt Eyes Open SourceNov 21 04:21
TweetTuxMachines                 Software for Innovation https://t.co/vdrjyBwpjnNov 21 04:21
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.govconwire.com | Red Hat’s Paul Smith: Govt Eyes Open Source Software for InnovationNov 21 04:21
TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     Android Marshmallow: release date, name andNov 21 04:29
TweetTuxMachines                 features https://t.co/RgSa2G75ksNov 21 04:29
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.itpro.co.uk | Android Marshmallow: release date, name and features | IT PRONov 21 04:29
TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     Android TV: Internet of Things Integration InNov 21 04:29
TweetTuxMachines                 The Pipeline? https://t.co/f2ltau0k1jNov 21 04:29
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.androidheadlines.com | Android TV: Internet of Things Integration In The Pipeline? | Androidheadlines.comNov 21 04:29
TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     How Analysts Rated Red Hat Inc (NYSE:RHT) LastNov 21 04:29
TweetTuxMachines                 Week? https://t.co/NxBIhCO0rONov 21 04:29
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.dakotafinancialnews.com | Recent Investment Analysts’ Ratings Updates for Red Hat (RHT)Nov 21 04:29
TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     21 Android-only apps that will make your iPhoneNov 21 04:50
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TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     7 Best Android Tablets Under $200Nov 21 04:51
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TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     Cinnamon 2.8.5 Is Out for Linux Mint 17.3Nov 21 04:51
TweetTuxMachines                 "Rosa", Improves Several AppletsNov 21 04:51
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TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     Nvidia 358.16 Linux Video Driver Is aNov 21 04:52
TweetTuxMachines                 Short-Lived One, but SupportsNov 21 04:52
TweetTuxMachines                 https://t.co/5vV90nMVBx (www.x.org) Server 1.18Nov 21 04:52
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TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     More Android Leftovers https://t.co/cbW8OeKJcxNov 21 04:52
TweetTuxMachines                 (www.tuxmachines.org)Nov 21 04:52
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TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     Red Hat and Fedora https://t.co/XswMKnvPeINov 21 04:52
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Red Hat and Fedora | Tux MachinesNov 21 04:52
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schestowitzhttps://joindiaspora.com/posts/6837428Nov 21 05:10
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: #Syria secretly sentenced free software developer #BasselKhartabil to death http://boingboing.net/2015/11/20/assad-government-secretly-sent.html major loss to #freeswNov 21 05:11
schestowitz"Nov 21 05:11
schestowitzFor all of his work, he was awarded by the Foreign Policy website the 19th position on its prestigious Global Thinkers ranking of 2012Nov 21 05:11
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights--> boingboing.net | Syria secretly sentenced free software developer Bassel Khartabil to death / Boing BoingNov 21 05:11
schestowitzhttps://archive.is/iD43G#selection-1135.306-1147.91 (creativecommons.org)Nov 21 05:11
schestowitzThe FP Group’s standard for excellence has in turn made it the place where world leaders turn to express their own views and to engage one another. From Bill and Melinda Gates to Israeli President Shimon Peres, from Condoleezza Rice to Senators John Kerry and John McCain, from Turkish President Abdullah Gul to Chinese dissident Ai Weiwei, the FP contributor list reads much like the who’s who that is our audience. To choose just a few Nov 21 05:11
schestowitzexamples of their extraordinary engagement with FP, consider the following recent illustrations involving top U.S. government officials.Nov 21 05:11
schestowitzhttps://archive.is/4t1LX#selection-677.0-689.31 (Foreign Policy Website)Nov 21 05:11
schestowitzWell, everybody stateside really dropped him in the shit - or did it escape their notice that their government started a civil war in Syria?Nov 21 05:11
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-archive.is | Read the story of Bassel Khartabil, Syrian prisoner who lives and risks dying for a free Internet - Creative CommonsNov 21 05:11
schestowitzBassel Khartabil had been setup and sacrificed.Nov 21 05:11
schestowitzMIT have also recently given him a job.Nov 21 05:11
schestowitzI am proud to announce that we have offered Bassel Khartabil a position as a research scientist in the Center for Civic Media at the MIT Media Lab, where he will work directly with its director, principal research scientist Ethan Zuckerman.Nov 21 05:11
schestowitzhttps://archive.is/yqC0X#selection-133.0-141.115Nov 21 05:11
schestowitz<sarcasm> Oh, that was a good idea MIT. That will really improve Khartabil’s status with the Syrian govt. and remove any doubt that he might have been working with/for the enemy. </sarcasm>Nov 21 05:11
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-archive.is | Chosen by Leaders | Foreign Policy GroupNov 21 05:11
schestowitzShrewth! These people say they “care”, but they don’t take care or act in a manner which shows the slightest concern what the impact of the actions will be. They don’t care about him - they care about a media image.Nov 21 05:11
schestowitz"Nov 21 05:11
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schestowitzI don't think it's fair to blame this on those who did genuinely try to help himNov 21 05:11
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TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     Road Redemption Combat Racer Fixed Up For LinuxNov 21 05:37
TweetTuxMachines                 & SteamOS, Performs Well NowNov 21 05:37
TweetTuxMachines                 https://t.co/XmhST5zalU (www.gamingonlinux.com)Nov 21 05:37
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TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     Vendetta - Curse Of Raven's Cry Released ForNov 21 05:37
TweetTuxMachines                 SteamOS & Linux https://t.co/SgktWrIShANov 21 05:37
TweetTuxMachines                 (www.gamingonlinux.com)Nov 21 05:37
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TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     Wine Announcement https://t.co/BVLSmPLB8NNov 21 05:40
TweetTuxMachines                 (www.winehq.org)Nov 21 05:40
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.winehq.org | WineHQ - Wine Announcement - The Wine development release 1.8-rc1 is now available.Nov 21 05:40
TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     This week’s traffic in #tuxmachines has againNov 21 05:40
TweetTuxMachines                 smashed the record. We’re trying to be fastestNov 21 05:40
TweetTuxMachines                 and also most complete syndication for #linuxNov 21 05:40
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TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     Mini-PC doubles as open-spec, octa-core hackerNov 21 05:40
TweetTuxMachines                 SBC https://t.co/dsNPWyz7Ht (linuxgizmos.com)Nov 21 05:40
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-linuxgizmos.com | Mini-PC doubles as open-spec, octa-core hacker SBC ·  LinuxGizmos.comNov 21 05:40
TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     How to customize your Linux desktop: KDENov 21 05:52
TweetTuxMachines                 https://t.co/3d4J3HMXOH (www.zdnet.com)Nov 21 05:52
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.zdnet.com | How to customize your Linux desktop: KDE | ZDNetNov 21 05:52
TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     Lenovo's Software Defined InfrastructureNov 21 05:52
TweetTuxMachines                 Strategy Comes Together With Red Hat andNov 21 05:52
TweetTuxMachines                 Nutanix https://t.co/yXs8uUt7iMNov 21 05:52
TweetTuxMachines                 (www.forbes.com)Nov 21 05:52
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.forbes.com | Forbes WelcomeNov 21 05:52
TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     Review: Ubuntu GNOME 15.10 is what vanillaNov 21 05:52
TweetTuxMachines                 Ubuntu should be https://t.co/8KjIEJu7yrNov 21 05:52
TweetTuxMachines                 (www.networkworld.com)Nov 21 05:52
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.networkworld.com | Review: Ubuntu GNOME 15.10 is what vanilla Ubuntu should beNov 21 05:52
TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     Move over, Linux -- JavaScript-powered NodeOSNov 21 05:58
TweetTuxMachines                 1.0 approaches https://t.co/Bvjcg7xmMMNov 21 05:58
TweetTuxMachines                 (www.infoworld.com)Nov 21 05:58
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.infoworld.com | Move over, Linux -- JavaScript-powered NodeOS 1.0 approaches | InfoWorldNov 21 05:58
TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     KDE Ships Beta of KDE Applications 15.12Nov 21 05:58
TweetTuxMachines                 https://t.co/mgGFBqRb9K (www.kde.org)Nov 21 05:58
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.kde.org | KDE - KDE Ships Beta of KDE Applications 15.12Nov 21 05:58
TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     NVIDIA 358.16 Linux Driver Brings FixesNov 21 05:58
TweetTuxMachines                 https://t.co/F1BXIryJYv (www.phoronix.com)Nov 21 05:58
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.phoronix.com | NVIDIA 358.16 Linux Driver Brings Fixes - PhoronixNov 21 05:58
TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     The Best Android Smartwatch You Can Buy TodayNov 21 05:59
TweetTuxMachines                 https://t.co/8l3sBDLVVl (www.droid-life.com)Nov 21 05:59
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.droid-life.com | Best Android Smartwatch You Can Buy TodayNov 21 05:59
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TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     Smart light switch includes HD camera, IFTTNov 21 06:00
TweetTuxMachines                 support https://t.co/c0wmmHDpqoNov 21 06:00
TweetTuxMachines                 (linuxgizmos.com) "Linux-based home automationNov 21 06:00
TweetTuxMachines                 devices"Nov 21 06:01
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-linuxgizmos.com | Smart light switch includes HD camera, IFTT support ·  LinuxGizmos.comNov 21 06:01
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TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     Libpng Vulnerabilities Fixed in All SupportedNov 21 06:03
TweetTuxMachines                 Ubuntu OSes https://t.co/rwQlStR9vVNov 21 06:03
TweetTuxMachines                 (linux.softpedia.com)Nov 21 06:03
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-linux.softpedia.com | Libpng Vulnerabilities Fixed in All Supported Ubuntu OSesNov 21 06:03
TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     A World Without Linux Would Mean a WorldNov 21 06:03
TweetTuxMachines                 Without Our Favorite MoviesNov 21 06:03
TweetTuxMachines                 https://t.co/1mMSMzPF3P (news.softpedia.com)Nov 21 06:03
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-news.softpedia.com | A World Without Linux Would Mean a World Without Our Favorite MoviesNov 21 06:03
TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     7 Best Android Tablets Under $200Nov 21 06:03
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TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     Cinnamon 2.8.5 Is Out for Linux Mint 17.3Nov 21 06:11
TweetTuxMachines                 "Rosa", Improves Several AppletsNov 21 06:11
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-linux.softpedia.com | Cinnamon 2.8.5 Is Out for Linux Mint 17.3 "Rosa," Improves Several AppletsNov 21 06:11
TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     Nvidia 358.16 Linux Video Driver Is aNov 21 06:11
TweetTuxMachines                 Short-Lived One, but Supports XOrg Server 1.18Nov 21 06:11
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-news.softpedia.com | Nvidia 358.16 Linux Video Driver Is a Short-Lived One, but Supports X.Org Server 1.18Nov 21 06:11
TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     Slackware Live Edition https://t.co/xVMCKlHCo3Nov 21 06:11
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-alien.slackbook.org | Alien Pastures » Slackware Live EditionNov 21 06:11
schestowitzhttps://joindiaspora.com/posts/6838317Nov 21 06:38
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: Canonical's IP Policy Is Vague for a Reason http://news.softpedia.com/news/canonical-s-ip-policy-is-vague-for-a-reason-but-matthew-garrett-says-ubuntu-is-not-free-496496.shtml same with #redhat #microsoft #patent agreement? Not acceptable for "open"Nov 21 06:38
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights--> news.softpedia.com | Canonical's IP Policy Is Vague for a Reason, but Matthew Garrett Says Ubuntu Is Not FreeNov 21 06:38
*TweetTuxMachines @KasiaInc followed @tuxmachinesNov 21 07:19
TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     Leftovers: Gaming https://t.co/TcMQaobVY2Nov 21 07:20
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Leftovers: Gaming | Tux MachinesNov 21 07:20
TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     today's howtos https://t.co/tmNtRuTiSPNov 21 07:20
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | today's howtos | Tux MachinesNov 21 07:21
TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     Leftovers: Software https://t.co/Lw40K1UAiiNov 21 08:29
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Leftovers: Software | Tux MachinesNov 21 08:29
TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     today's leftovers https://t.co/7aWa675CUbNov 21 08:29
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | today's leftovers | Tux MachinesNov 21 08:29
TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     Security Leftovers https://t.co/LnrWQyW1IaNov 21 08:29
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Security Leftovers | Tux MachinesNov 21 08:29
*TweetTuxMachines @softpedialinux favourited 'Libpng Vulnerabilities Fixed in All Supported Ubuntu OSes...'Nov 21 08:29
*TweetTuxMachines @softpedialinux favourited 'A World Without Linux Would Mean a World...'Nov 21 08:29
*TweetTuxMachines @softpedialinux favourited 'Cinnamon 2.8.5 Is Out for Linux Mint 17.3...'Nov 21 08:29
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schestowitzhttps://twitter.com/redlocal/status/668030098793234432Nov 21 09:16
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@redlocal: The #ElementaryOS Developers Have Decided To Fork #Geary Under A New Name: #Pantheon Mail https://t.co/WNxiRm2o3r… https://t.co/3bGYT0CvqKNov 21 09:16
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights--> linuxg.net | The Elementary OS Developers Have Decided To Fork Geary Under A New Name: Pantheon Mail | LinuxG.netNov 21 09:16
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz: The #ElementaryOS Developers Have Decided To Fork #Geary Under A New Name: #Pantheon Mail https://t.co/AjNUYVLBOD #freeswNov 21 09:16
schestowitzhttps://twitter.com/FOSSpatents/status/668044461608431616Nov 21 09:16
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@FOSSpatents: @schestowitz SUEPO apparently afraid of linking to TechRights. See their latest. I'm sure it's not that they don't appreciate your support.Nov 21 09:16
schestowitzhttps://twitter.com/kstallett/status/668053604863975424Nov 21 09:17
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@kstallett: @schestowitz @xguntherc Ill probably be getting a shield myself soon considering no real Ubuntu tablet anywhere on the horizon.Nov 21 09:17
schestowitzhttps://twitter.com/FOSSpatents/status/668058370813882368   https://twitter.com/FOSSpatents/status/668058709931724800Nov 21 09:18
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@FOSSpatents: I'm RT'ing this because there are some interesting observations in it. I don't mean to endorse the bribery theory. https://t.co/rY3gpwCpadNov 21 09:18
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz: It Pays (Off) to ‘Bribe’ the Media: Watch How #LesÉchos Covers #EPO Matters and Self-Censors https://t.co/aMYFA9zmtv #patents #europeNov 21 09:18
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@FOSSpatents: .@schestowitz I wouldn't attribute to malice on Les Échos' part what can be explained with lack of analysis. EPO situation is very special.Nov 21 09:18
schestowitzRe: The Microsoft Register :)Nov 21 09:38
schestowitz> I just checked back in with theReg after a long absence. Seems nothing'sNov 21 09:38
schestowitz> changed, same ole, same ole, a load of free adverts for MICROS~1 andNov 21 09:38
schestowitz> whenever there is mention of malware, blame third party apps rather thanNov 21 09:38
schestowitz> the real source. Then think up a negative headline if google or AppleNov 21 09:38
schestowitz> are mentioned. One particular article refers to a hacking group hackingNov 21 09:38
schestowitz> "government systems". The article is carefully designed to deflectNov 21 09:38
schestowitz> attention to the root cause of all these hacks, namely the MicrosoftNov 21 09:38
schestowitz> Windows operating system. Also, it seems the standard editorial strategyNov 21 09:38
schestowitz> to,  what ever the subject, always include a Microsoft angle. forNov 21 09:38
schestowitz> instance "Microsoft makes Raspberry Pi its preferred IoT dev board". InNov 21 09:38
schestowitz> an article about googles cloud, there's a mention Microsoft cloud.Nov 21 09:38
schestowitz> Nov 21 09:38
schestowitz> It's an example of taking control of 'mindshare' that was mentioned inNov 21 09:38
schestowitz> that comes document. Or if they can't find a reason to mention MICROS~1Nov 21 09:38
schestowitz> say something negative, as in this headline "Google extends searchNov 21 09:38
schestowitz> tendrils to cover data in apps".Nov 21 09:38
schestowitz> Nov 21 09:38