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| msb_ | Interesting video download experience: I caught part of a video on RT about Syrian Kurdish women fighting ISIL. They are socialist, have rejected male supremacy, and, as I've seen in previous videos showing Kurds, many are quite beautiful. A google search found the video here: https://rtd.rt.com/films/her-war-women-vs-isis-documentary/. VideoDownloadHelper tried to get it three times, but always failed about 20% through, and | Nov 15 01:54 |
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| msb_ | deleted the partial file. youtube-dl couldn't get it at all. So I looked at the HTML of the page, found the tail-end of the video's URL, and prefixed it with the beginning of the page's URL. Good old wget gets it just fine, despite the intermittent feed. I'll have to send the VDLH people an email about this. http://rtd.rt.com/files/films/her-war-women-vs-isis-documentary/her-war-women-vs-isis-documentary_4.mp4 | Nov 15 01:54 |
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| msb_ | This view of female culture is fascinating. Even during lessons in marching maneuvers, mistakes are treated kindly, with laughter (with, not at). This is totally the opposite of male drill instructor cruelty. | Nov 15 02:07 |
| oiaohm | Sorry to say you comment is really sexist. I have had male and female instructors sports instructors who have known that cruelty is not a good plan. | Nov 15 02:13 |
| msb_ | Not sexist at all. I was referring to drill instructors specifically. | Nov 15 02:14 |
| oiaohm | msb_: I have also had female instructors who were more savage than most male drill instructors. | Nov 15 02:15 |
| oiaohm | comes down to how the drill instructor was taugh. | Nov 15 02:15 |
| oiaohm | And their personality. | Nov 15 02:15 |
| msb_ | Perhaps because they were taught within a male-supremacist culture and were imitating it. This particular Kurdish army is all women. | Nov 15 02:17 |
| oiaohm | Not excactly that. | Nov 15 02:17 |
| msb_ | I suggest downloading and watching the video. There's a lot of interesting material in it. | Nov 15 02:18 |
| oiaohm | Some people have a natural domination personality. Does not matter if you are male or female you can have it. | Nov 15 02:18 |
| oiaohm | Australian mil has a paper on it msb_ for choosing drill instructors to get results. | Nov 15 02:18 |
| oiaohm | Yes they tried going all female or all male neither is good. | Nov 15 02:19 |
| oiaohm | All the time. | Nov 15 02:19 |
| oiaohm | msb_: there is a horrible issue. If a drill instructor is too strong in domination they break the free will of the person to disobey instruction under any conditions. This is what produces soldiers that end up killing non combatants or throw their lives away in pointless attacks. | Nov 15 02:23 |
| msb_ | Perhaps the Kurdish socialist women's culture is different from that of Australian women. Almost all Western culture is male-supremacist, and encourages psychopath (dominator) behavior in some people and sheep (passive victim) behavior in others. This is largely due to Jewish-Christian-Islamic religion. | Nov 15 02:24 |
| cubexyz | I'd say the male supremacist era is over | Nov 15 02:24 |
| cubexyz | or at least on the wane | Nov 15 02:25 |
| oiaohm | msb_: ever heard of the term dominatrix yes a female with natural nominator tendencies. | Nov 15 02:25 |
| oiaohm | Opps nominator/dominator | Nov 15 02:25 |
| oiaohm | Basically its not just a male thing to be excess in domination. Problem here is people who are excessive in domination have been promoted to the top without really considering the downsides. | Nov 15 02:26 |
| cubexyz | we don't live in a "Father Knows Best" society :) | Nov 15 02:26 |
| oiaohm | cubexyz: there has always been house holds were the wife is in charge and the everyone obeys her. | Nov 15 02:27 |
| oiaohm | Father knows best has mostly been a history myth. | Nov 15 02:27 |
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| schestowitz | https://joindiaspora.com/posts/6816053 | Nov 15 05:03 |
| schestowitz | "let me know when they’ve got one for the Fn key :)" | Nov 15 05:03 |
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| schestowitz | "The new manjaros are sexy!" | Nov 15 05:04 |
| schestowitz | Who's using them? | Nov 15 05:04 |
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| schestowitz | > http://esr.ibiblio.org/?p=6918 | Nov 15 05:22 |
| schestowitz | > | Nov 15 05:22 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-esr.ibiblio.org | Why Hackers Must Eject the SJWs | Nov 15 05:22 | |
| schestowitz | > First, recall that there are business and political interests with the | Nov 15 05:22 |
| schestowitz | > long term goal of taking down FOSS that have been using intensive | Nov 15 05:22 |
| schestowitz | > strategies against FOSS and Linux in particular. We know that all | Nov 15 05:22 |
| schestowitz | > possible methods are used, including, I suppose, employing false SJWs. | Nov 15 05:22 |
| schestowitz | > They are a bit like astroturfers but write enough code to be able to say | Nov 15 05:22 |
| schestowitz | > they are involved in a project (c.f. mono in Ubuntu). It seems to me | Nov 15 05:22 |
| schestowitz | > that the trendy social issues are now catspaws to hide the true source | Nov 15 05:22 |
| schestowitz | > of the attacks. If these SJWs were real hackers they would write good | Nov 15 05:22 |
| schestowitz | > code regardless of whether there were fags, women, men in dresses, | Nov 15 05:22 |
| schestowitz | > asexuals, etc. But the goal appears to ensure that there is holey code | Nov 15 05:22 |
| schestowitz | > and bad design in FOSS which reduces its potential to be successful and | Nov 15 05:23 |
| schestowitz | > allow proprietary sw and spying to gain. The interests promoting not | Nov 15 05:23 |
| schestowitz | > just holey code but bad design (e.g. systemd) have simply pulled their | Nov 15 05:23 |
| schestowitz | > chain to get them to bark to avoid real discussion of the code and | Nov 15 05:23 |
| schestowitz | > improvement of design. The original idea in FOSS, and OSS in | Nov 15 05:23 |
| schestowitz | > particular, was technical discussion and improvement. Some of these | Nov 15 05:23 |
| schestowitz | > projects have lost the original spirit and are losing their way. | Nov 15 05:23 |
| schestowitz | Last time I met RMS we talked about how likely it was that "Linux" was embrace and "GNU" omitted by large businesses because Torvalds was more likely to help them. He thought it was possible and found it interested. | Nov 15 05:23 |
| schestowitz | I don't think that the Intel SJW is intentionally put there for the reasons above. Either way, going down this route of discrediting feminism in FOSS wouldn't be wise for me or for TR because there exists discrimination and I'm already seeing the vicious attacks ESR gets online for writing the above. | Nov 15 05:23 |
| schestowitz | Let's just say that we can bemoan corporation abuse of Linux (UEFI, TPM etc.) without lumping in SJWs... | Nov 15 05:23 |
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| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/huehuehuio/status/665843838259478528 | Nov 15 05:51 |
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| msb_ | schestowitz: I think systemd is by far the worst attack on Linux. I can't even recommend an up-to-date non-systemd distro. Manjaro uses it. After that would be UEFI and KDE4/5/Plasma. I don't think the SJWs will cause any significant problem. Their complex "code of conduct" will repel nearly everyone. | Nov 15 08:12 |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/backavar/status/665882389449728001 | Nov 15 08:24 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@backavar: @schestowitz well, if i would get the support and care that i was promised then I wouldn't be trying to find a better life. Stupid Gov'mt | Nov 15 08:24 | |
| schestowitz | msb_: both are issues | Nov 15 08:24 |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/Messgorough/status/665882487671885824 | Nov 15 08:25 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@Messgorough: @FeelitWorking @schestowitz Not helped by governments UTTER lack of understanding on this or the effects of dragnet usage. | Nov 15 08:25 | |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/communicipalist/status/665884073546547200 | Nov 15 08:31 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@communicipalist: Should keep them busy nice to know our taxes are being spent productively in keeping Cheltenham in employment https://t.co/7iR8XCdDsC | Nov 15 08:31 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz: "Al Qaeda knew for decades to avoid electronic means of communication" https://t.co/dPOKBCToQ6 mass #surveillance is against dissidents | Nov 15 08:31 | |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/backavar/status/665884441223499776 | Nov 15 08:31 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@backavar: @schestowitz it is a difficult lesson to learn, that is for sure. | Nov 15 08:31 | |
| schestowitz | wish you the best and will do what I can to spread your message | Nov 15 08:31 |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/backavar/status/665885129290735616 | Nov 15 08:35 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@backavar: @schestowitz thank you, sir. You honor me greatly. | Nov 15 08:35 | |
| MinceR | https://twitter.com/GrrrGraphics/status/665561747500040192 | Nov 15 08:52 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@GrrrGraphics: PC CENSORSHIP FACEBOOK has removed "CryBullies"from my FB pages saying it "violates" their "Community Standards!" https://t.co/QjxhA3V3yE | Nov 15 08:52 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@GrrrGraphics: PC CENSORSHIP FACEBOOK has removed "CryBullies"from my FB pages saying it "violates" their "Community Standards!" https://t.co/QjxhA3V3yE | Nov 15 08:52 | |
| MinceR | msb_: why not recommend slackware? | Nov 15 08:52 |
| MinceR | also, poettering is an SJW, yet that didn't repel people from cancerd | Nov 15 08:52 |
| msb_ | Because slackware is not up to date. Last release was two years ago. | Nov 15 08:53 |
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| MinceR | i see | Nov 15 08:54 |
| MinceR | what about funtoo? | Nov 15 08:55 |
| msb_ | There must be some kind of covert operation that has gotten systemd accepted -- bribery, blackmail, etc. | Nov 15 08:55 |
| msb_ | funtoo is source-based. Most people will not want that. | Nov 15 08:56 |
| MinceR | maybe they'll still prefer it to systemd/Linux or systemd/Garrettux, though | Nov 15 08:58 |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines PHP 7.0 vs. HHVM 3.10 Performance Tests | Nov 15 08:58 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | PHP 7.0 vs. HHVM 3.10 Performance Tests | Tux Machines | Nov 15 08:58 | |
| msb_ | No. Most users are unaware of the problems with systemd, and are content to use an easy and up to date distro like Ubuntu, Fedora, or Suse. | Nov 15 08:59 |
| MinceR | eventually they'll find out it's getting as bad as vista, though | Nov 15 09:00 |
| msb_ | I doubt that Poettering will let it get that bad as seen by the user. I think the main purpose of systemd is to allow the US govt so kill all computers using it. | Nov 15 09:03 |
| msb_ | so -> to | Nov 15 09:04 |
| MinceR | i doubt he can avoid it | Nov 15 09:05 |
| MinceR | his design sucks | Nov 15 09:05 |
| MinceR | systemd is already doing extremely harmful things | Nov 15 09:05 |
| MinceR | like running fsck in parallel with other processes that use the same filesystem mounted read-write | Nov 15 09:05 |
| MinceR | plus it's full of potential vulnerabilities | Nov 15 09:06 |
| msb_ | I didn't know about fsck. Maybe a secondary purpose is to make Linux unreliable so people will use Windows. | Nov 15 09:08 |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/SeaH2ONymph/status/665893268979326976 | Nov 15 09:08 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@SeaH2ONymph: #US #NSA - Nat'l Reconnaissance Office - Nat'l Geospatial Agency employ 25,000 ft employees & 25,000 contractors https://t.co/yTuUprqqOq | Nov 15 09:08 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz: "Eliminate three secret agencies costing $25 billion a year" https://t.co/yLqqprmy3v | Nov 15 09:08 | |
| schestowitz | [22:52] <XFaCE> just a suggestion | Nov 15 09:09 |
| schestowitz | [22:52] <XFaCE> http://techrights.org/2015/10/25/techrights-doc-drop/ | Nov 15 09:10 |
| schestowitz | Yes, I was told so weeks ago | Nov 15 09:10 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | How to Securely Provide Techrights With Information, Documents | Techrights | Nov 15 09:10 | |
| MinceR | https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DFeDFva6tcg (sauce: http://theralphretort.com/politically-incorrect-pioneer-bill-maher-takes-worthless-pc-culture-3028015/ ) | Nov 15 09:29 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.youtube.com | Real Time with Bill Maher: Liberals vs. Liberals (HBO) - YouTube | Nov 15 09:29 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-theralphretort.com | "Politically Incorrect" Pioneer Bill Maher Takes On Worthless PC Culture | Nov 15 09:29 | |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/glynmoody/status/665899375311380480 | Nov 15 09:31 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@glynmoody: good point https://t.co/jVCH5omI52 | Nov 15 09:31 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz: There is a new Pirate-like term for #privacy that's promoted in corporate media: it's called "going dark", they associate it with "dark web" | Nov 15 09:31 | |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/ArneBab/status/665900143493910529 | Nov 15 09:34 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@ArneBab: @schestowitz That’s closer to reality than piracy: Since major political parties are failing us constantly, you have to go dark for privacy. | Nov 15 09:34 | |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/plomm3r/status/665902243816841217 | Nov 15 09:44 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@plomm3r: @schestowitz @glynmoody Pablo Escobar used pigeons to message to his partners in crime. After @Snowden, self-respecting terrorists know this | Nov 15 09:44 | |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/SteveNixonIP/status/665903640163573761 | Nov 15 09:47 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@SteveNixonIP: @schestowitz @PrivacyCamp @snowden They already did this ages ago. What more could they do? | Nov 15 09:47 | |
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| schestowitz | longpaste (relating to systemd etc.), important but not for front page: | Nov 15 10:43 |
| schestowitz | ------------- | Nov 15 10:43 |
| schestowitz | > On 11/15/2015 12:22 PM, Roy Schestowitz wrote: | Nov 15 10:43 |
| schestowitz | >> Last time I met RMS we talked about how likely it was that "Linux" | Nov 15 10:43 |
| schestowitz | >> was embrace and "GNU" omitted by large businesses because Torvalds | Nov 15 10:43 |
| schestowitz | >> was more likely to help them. He thought it was possible and found it | Nov 15 10:43 |
| schestowitz | >> interested. | Nov 15 10:43 |
| schestowitz | >> | Nov 15 10:43 |
| schestowitz | >> I don't think that the Intel SJW is intentionally put there for the | Nov 15 10:43 |
| schestowitz | >> reasons above. Either way, going down this route of discrediting | Nov 15 10:43 |
| schestowitz | >> feminism in FOSS wouldn't be wise for me or for TR because there | Nov 15 10:43 |
| schestowitz | >> exists discrimination and I'm already seeing the vicious attacks ESR | Nov 15 10:43 |
| schestowitz | >> gets online for writing the above. | Nov 15 10:43 |
| schestowitz | > | Nov 15 10:43 |
| schestowitz | > S helped write that first comment and this one. She is more worried | Nov 15 10:43 |
| schestowitz | > than I, though I myself am worried. She and I don't understand what | Nov 15 10:43 |
| schestowitz | > can be done for the SJW issues in a *technical* project. These social | Nov 15 10:43 |
| schestowitz | > issues, she points out, have nothing to do with writing code. This | Nov 15 10:43 |
| schestowitz | > seems to be a kind of new tactic against not just FOSS but even OSS. I | Nov 15 10:43 |
| schestowitz | > think it is because the latter is now firmly accepted by business and, | Nov 15 10:43 |
| schestowitz | > to a lesser extent, government. It's a noisy form of entryism to | Nov 15 10:43 |
| schestowitz | > confuse, distract or otherwise take attention away from the code. | Nov 15 10:43 |
| schestowitz | Yes, in tuxmachines I lumped about 50 articles as such under the comments section of one single node (the first about Sharp), so as to avoid the signal being reduced/diluted by the 'news' (including ESR). You can still see that in the site. | Nov 15 10:43 |
| schestowitz | Red Hat and EPO are among my important 'projects' now... feminism etc. are important subjects, but not for FOSS. Some people in the atheist 'community' also rejected the interjection of feminism into their cause, which was science. You can find plenty of information about this only. They called it "atheism plus" (plus what you ask? SJW). | Nov 15 10:43 |
| schestowitz | >> Let's just say that we can bemoan corporation abuse of Linux (UEFI, | Nov 15 10:43 |
| schestowitz | >> TPM etc.) without lumping in SJWs... | Nov 15 10:43 |
| schestowitz | > | Nov 15 10:43 |
| schestowitz | > Yes, but I think this is kind of a warning of new tactics, related to | Nov 15 10:43 |
| schestowitz | > entryism. There are some legitimate social problems in society and | Nov 15 10:43 |
| schestowitz | > there are some few people honestly trying to help through social means. | Nov 15 10:44 |
| schestowitz | > However, some of them might be catspaws and there are also probably | Nov 15 10:44 |
| schestowitz | > paid SJWs as there are astroturfers. The time might not be right to | Nov 15 10:44 |
| schestowitz | > address it publicly on TR but nevertheless it should be tracked | Nov 15 10:44 |
| schestowitz | > privately if only used to see what the anti-FOSS interests are aiming to | Nov 15 10:44 |
| schestowitz | > disrupt. | Nov 15 10:44 |
| schestowitz | I haven't been attacked by SJW, at least not yet. RMS faced several such attack, then there's Eich... now Torvalds... | Nov 15 10:44 |
| schestowitz | > But the important question to ask is, why isn't OSS allowed to keep | Nov 15 10:44 |
| schestowitz | > writing good code? The focus should be on the code and its quality, not | Nov 15 10:44 |
| schestowitz | > who or what has produced it. Who has a policy of bugdoors? Also, people | Nov 15 10:44 |
| schestowitz | > once dismissed the tactic of astroturfing. Now awareness of it is more | Nov 15 10:44 |
| schestowitz | > than mainstream and it is losing its effectiveness so new avenues are | Nov 15 10:44 |
| schestowitz | > being used. I forget which document covered it, but the M$ jihad back | Nov 15 10:44 |
| schestowitz | > then was about keeping mindshare on anything except Linux, GNU, or FOSS. | Nov 15 10:44 |
| schestowitz | Microsoft recently tried to get me fired. | Nov 15 10:44 |
| schestowitz | > PS. She ran a few OSS-oriented projects a while back and has identified | Nov 15 10:44 |
| schestowitz | > first hand some of the M$ attacks, and even some other groups. In one | Nov 15 10:44 |
| schestowitz | > case, a Softer set up a web site to 'promote' OSS and gathered up a lot | Nov 15 10:44 |
| schestowitz | > of names through participants and projects. Then the site changed to | Nov 15 10:44 |
| schestowitz | > spread FUD against OSS and M$ was able to target those people who had | Nov 15 10:44 |
| schestowitz | > identified themselves. | Nov 15 10:44 |
| schestowitz | Yes, there are other such examples. One of them is OSSWatch - that's where the attacks on my job incidentally came from... after Microsoft had scooped up some of their key staff. | Nov 15 10:44 |
| MinceR | msb_: at least slackware 14.1 is still newer than debian 7 :> | Nov 15 11:23 |
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| XFaCE | schestowitz: MinceR cubexyz https://news.vice.com/article/windows-31-is-still-alive-and-it-just-killed-a-french-airport | Nov 15 12:40 |
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| msb_ | I'll bet their Unix software is still working reliably. | Nov 15 13:02 |
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| oiaohm | MinceR you need to look again at systemd when fsck is running on a file system under it the file system is still mounted read only. | Nov 15 16:04 |
| oiaohm | MinceR: The difference from sysvinit and systemd with fsck is the fact applications are allowed to read data off of a file system before is fsck cleared. | Nov 15 16:05 |
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| MinceR | oiaohm: until systemd gets tired of waiting for fsck (times out) and resumes booting | Nov 15 16:16 |
| XFaCE | fsck systemd | Nov 15 16:18 |
| oiaohm | MinceR: sorry fsck timeout and booting going ahead anyhow happened under sysvinit | Nov 15 16:28 |
| MinceR | citation needed | Nov 15 16:29 |
| oiaohm | MinceR: so not a new fault. | Nov 15 16:29 |
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| oiaohm | MinceR: http://www.freedesktop.org/software/systemd/man/systemd-fsck@.service.html this does not in fact have a timeout. | Nov 15 16:33 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.freedesktop.org | systemd-fsck@.service [ http://ur1.ca/o9vyh ] | Nov 15 16:33 | |
| oiaohm | Its the fsck program it self times out MinceR | Nov 15 16:33 |
| oiaohm | Now of course under sysvinit where fsck is running with full cpu to itself it way less likely to hit the timeout. | Nov 15 16:34 |
| oiaohm | MinceR: basically hidden fault that systemd has made front and center. | Nov 15 16:35 |
| MinceR | i'm not so sure about that | Nov 15 16:35 |
| MinceR | systemd is full of dark secrets | Nov 15 16:35 |
| oiaohm | Not really. | Nov 15 16:36 |
| oiaohm | systemd has a few design issues. | Nov 15 16:36 |
| MinceR | and magic numbers | Nov 15 16:36 |
| MinceR | systemd is a fractal of bad design | Nov 15 16:36 |
| oiaohm | Every new system has a percentage of bad design parts. | Nov 15 16:37 |
| oiaohm | The recent systemd conference they have talked about correcting some of the worst. | Nov 15 16:37 |
| oiaohm | Like moving the unit file processor out its own application. | Nov 15 16:38 |
| MinceR | i thought keeping everything in one big hairball was teh best possible design evar | Nov 15 16:38 |
| MinceR | what happened? | Nov 15 16:39 |
| oiaohm | Really systemd has from the start breaking up into more and more applications. | Nov 15 16:39 |
| oiaohm | Basically they prototype in the hairball when they work out how it should work they then make the independant application to perform the task. | Nov 15 16:40 |
| oiaohm | That has been the systemd design model. | Nov 15 16:40 |
| oiaohm | Also the fact that kdbus is being delayed lot of fix up work to dbus has been put back on the table. Like adding time stamps to dbus messages so you know how old a message is. | Nov 15 16:41 |
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| MinceR | dropping oodles of garbage that really depends on the hairball during the build process or actually breaking it up? | Nov 15 16:42 |
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| MinceR | a few thousand *ctl binaries won't save this design | Nov 15 16:42 |
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| MinceR | also, why didn't they finish the design before trying to force systemd on everybody? | Nov 15 16:43 |
| oiaohm | MinceR: just an example systemd-nspawn for starting up cgroups around services that use to be in PID 1. | Nov 15 16:43 |
| oiaohm | when systemd first started. | Nov 15 16:43 |
| MinceR | still depends on systemd | Nov 15 16:43 |
| MinceR | and still depends on secret APIs | Nov 15 16:43 |
| MinceR | (that also change randomly) | Nov 15 16:44 |
| oiaohm | Not true | Nov 15 16:44 |
| MinceR | all the better to lock competitors out of being compatible with cancerd | Nov 15 16:44 |
| oiaohm | The interface apis that nspawn connect to is fully documented. | Nov 15 16:44 |
| MinceR | just like a certain other company | Nov 15 16:44 |
| MinceR | which brings me back to the first point | Nov 15 16:45 |
| MinceR | if you people love the design of windows so much, why don't you go back to using that and stop trying to destroy gnu/linux? | Nov 15 16:45 |
| oiaohm | 1 sysvinit was broken. | Nov 15 16:45 |
| oiaohm | 2 making a replacement is never fun. | Nov 15 16:45 |
| msb_ | oiaohm: Please read this and tell me you are sure that systemd works correctly: http://blog.darknedgy.net/technology/2015/10/11/0/ Personally, I think it is a Redback spider under the toilet seat. | Nov 15 16:46 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-blog.darknedgy.net | Structural and semantic deficiencies in the systemd architecture for real-world service management, a technical treatise | Nov 15 16:46 | |
| XFaCE | [16:45:58]<oiaohm> 2 making a replacement is never fun. | Nov 15 16:48 |
| XFaCE | we have several replacements | Nov 15 16:48 |
| MinceR | all of which are better designed than cancerd | Nov 15 16:48 |
| MinceR | also, systemd is not a "sysvinit replacement" | Nov 15 16:48 |
| XFaCE | [16:45:46]<oiaohm> 1 sysvinit was broken. | Nov 15 16:49 |
| MinceR | it's an everything replacement | Nov 15 16:49 |
| MinceR | if it was just an init system, it would be easy to swap it in or out | Nov 15 16:49 |
| XFaCE | no one is saying that sysvinit should be used forever | Nov 15 16:49 |
| MinceR | but it actually hooks into the host system with millions of tentacles | Nov 15 16:49 |
| msb_ | If sysvinit is "broken" it is so minimally broken that it worked fine in a hundred million systems for several decades. | Nov 15 16:50 |
| oiaohm | msb_: most of what was in that blog is covered by the recent systemd conference. | Nov 15 16:50 |
| msb_ | Covered with what? Shit? | Nov 15 16:51 |
| oiaohm | Plans to rebuild sections. | Nov 15 16:51 |
| msb_ | That blog shows that the internals of systemd are so complicated that nobody can possibly figure what it actually does in all circumstances. | Nov 15 16:51 |
| msb_ | So now this systemd conference admits that systemd is a huge load of unpredictable shit, _after_ it has been adopted by nearly all Linux distros, for reasons that nobody knows. | Nov 15 16:53 |
| msb_ | Or at least nobody is telling,. | Nov 15 16:53 |
| oiaohm | The fact that bigger guys are running systemd they are finding some nasty issue. That are forcing sections to be fixed. | Nov 15 16:56 |
| msb_ | 'Sentence first—verdict afterwards.'. | Nov 15 16:56 |
| oiaohm | Fun one at the systemd confence was locking up systemd by reloading unit files. | Nov 15 16:56 |
| msb_ | So the huge pile of shit was never vetted _before_ it was adopted by everyone. | Nov 15 16:57 |
| oiaohm | That traces back to a few things. 1 systemd cannot reload a single unit file instead reload all of them. | Nov 15 16:57 |
| oiaohm | 2 dbus/messeging used by init does not have a time stamp so if you send 1 million reload messages systemd will perform them all. | Nov 15 16:58 |
| oiaohm | Yes journald lack of performance also upsets big guys. | Nov 15 16:59 |
| oiaohm | And that is another stupidity in design. | Nov 15 16:59 |
| oiaohm | "A more nuanced solution could be listening for events from the Netlink proc connector (cn_proc)." Like that one from the blog post. Turns out cn_proc is a cpu time black hole. netfilter is implement cgroup support to attempt to get around it. | Nov 15 17:04 |
| MinceR | yeah, first people state publicly that the design of systemd is broken and it shouldn't be forced on anyone | Nov 15 17:04 |
| MinceR | then those people are called stupid and systemd is forced on almost everyone | Nov 15 17:04 |
| MinceR | then the systemd cabal finally realizes their shit is broken | Nov 15 17:04 |
| MinceR | and then they try to patch it up even though the fundamental design is braindead | Nov 15 17:04 |
| oiaohm | MinceR: it chicken and egg problem. | Nov 15 17:04 |
| MinceR | no, a trainwreck | Nov 15 17:04 |
| MinceR | a combination of incompetent code monkeys and a company with huge influence and no scruples | Nov 15 17:05 |
| MinceR | and enormous egos | Nov 15 17:05 |
| oiaohm | How many attempts were there to replace sysvinit that got no where. | Nov 15 17:05 |
| MinceR | doesn't matter | Nov 15 17:05 |
| MinceR | systemd shouldn't have gotten anywhere | Nov 15 17:05 |
| oiaohm | It does matter. | Nov 15 17:05 |
| MinceR | as it's shit | Nov 15 17:05 |
| oiaohm | sysvinit is shit that was failing to be replaced | Nov 15 17:06 |
| MinceR | having lots of attempts that get ignored is normal for free software | Nov 15 17:06 |
| MinceR | sysvinit is not nearly as shitty as systemd is | Nov 15 17:06 |
| MinceR | and we have openrc | Nov 15 17:06 |
| oiaohm | sysvinit is in a lot of ways worse than systemd | Nov 15 17:06 |
| MinceR | and had it for years | Nov 15 17:06 |
| oiaohm | openrc comes out of systemd | Nov 15 17:06 |
| MinceR | yeah, right | Nov 15 17:06 |
| oiaohm | coming into existance. | Nov 15 17:06 |
| MinceR | because gentoo is systemd | Nov 15 17:06 |
| MinceR | i'm sure plenty of people at deadrat believe sysvinit to be worse than systemd | Nov 15 17:07 |
| MinceR | but those people know nothing about software engineering | Nov 15 17:07 |
| oiaohm | That is the problem. Old school software engineering models can have issues with systemd development method. | Nov 15 17:08 |
| oiaohm | I did not say systemd has the best development methods. | Nov 15 17:08 |
| msb_ | The big question is: _Why_ was systemd adopted by all major distros? It had to be a tailored combination of bribery and/or blackmail, engineered by RedHats biggest customer, the US government. | Nov 15 17:08 |
| oiaohm | systemd is taking the prototype development method. | Nov 15 17:08 |
| MinceR | the concept of cohesion is not an "old school software engineering model" | Nov 15 17:08 |
| MinceR | it's part of software engineering 101 | Nov 15 17:08 |
| MinceR | which poettering never studied | Nov 15 17:09 |
| oiaohm | Sorry wrong. | Nov 15 17:09 |
| MinceR | no, systemd is taking the "hack up a mountain of shit and then foist it on everyone" method | Nov 15 17:09 |
| MinceR | msb_: because ratcrap abused their control over gnome | Nov 15 17:09 |
| MinceR | and more direct control over a number of distros | Nov 15 17:10 |
| MinceR | "code first, think later -- or never" | Nov 15 17:10 |
| oiaohm | MinceR: poettering has stuided software engineering if you look up his qualifications. | Nov 15 17:10 |
| oiaohm | Problem is poettering takes the prototype method. | Nov 15 17:10 |
| MinceR | then his educators and examiners failed horribly | Nov 15 17:11 |
| oiaohm | Not exactly. | Nov 15 17:11 |
| oiaohm | When building a prototype you make it work then sort out the details. | Nov 15 17:11 |
| MinceR | poettering's "design" (if we can call it that) shows total ignorance of fundamental principles | Nov 15 17:11 |
| MinceR | and how do you build a prototype without thinking first? | Nov 15 17:11 |
| oiaohm | Its more when do you apply the fundamental principles. | Nov 15 17:11 |
| MinceR | and why force a half-baked prototype on everyone before you've actually began to sort out the details? | Nov 15 17:12 |
| MinceR | yeah, poettering's "when" is "never" | Nov 15 17:12 |
| oiaohm | No its not never. | Nov 15 17:12 |
| MinceR | they'll abandon the project and start over (per the CADT model) before they'd get there | Nov 15 17:12 |
| MinceR | if they even could | Nov 15 17:12 |
| MinceR | https://www.jwz.org/doc/cadt.html | Nov 15 17:12 |
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| msb_ | Interesting that at the same time, KDE4/5/Plasma was being turned into a bloated mess, possibly to push people into using systemd-dependent gnome. | Nov 15 17:13 |
| oiaohm | There is a prototype development model in old software enginering that most don't use. | Nov 15 17:13 |
| MinceR | and yet KDE5 officially depends on systemd | Nov 15 17:13 |
| oiaohm | MinceR: check again. | Nov 15 17:14 |
| MinceR | https://soylentnews.org/article.pl?sid=15/02/20/101235 | Nov 15 17:14 |
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| oiaohm | MinceR: KDE5 depends on logind | Nov 15 17:14 |
| MinceR | checked. | Nov 15 17:14 |
| MinceR | and guess what systemd-logind is a part of? | Nov 15 17:14 |
| oiaohm | No | Nov 15 17:14 |
| MinceR | yes | Nov 15 17:14 |
| oiaohm | logind code in KDE 5 is checked against BSD logind as well. | Nov 15 17:14 |
| MinceR | ooh | Nov 15 17:14 |
| MinceR | can i use bsd logind on gnu/linux? | Nov 15 17:14 |
| oiaohm | Unfortantly no. | Nov 15 17:15 |
| MinceR | with a service manager that wasn't hacked up by idiots with delusions of adequacy? | Nov 15 17:15 |
| MinceR | then why bring it up at all? | Nov 15 17:15 |
| oiaohm | why logind is that is required to wayland and x11 can run in usermode without root privilages. | Nov 15 17:15 |
| MinceR | i don't care | Nov 15 17:15 |
| MinceR | stop blowing up the system i'm using | Nov 15 17:15 |
| MinceR | stop trying to force me into using software i don't want | Nov 15 17:16 |
| msb_ | The prototype development model says make a prototype and give it to a few people to test and debug before forcing it on everyone! | Nov 15 17:16 |
| oiaohm | consolekit2 has also implemented the logind interfaces required. | Nov 15 17:16 |
| MinceR | make something worth using and i'll use it | Nov 15 17:16 |
| MinceR | isn't consolekit2 dead? | Nov 15 17:16 |
| MinceR | and yes, waylandows also depends on systemd | Nov 15 17:16 |
| oiaohm | Mincer https://github.com/ConsoleKit2/ConsoleKit2 | Nov 15 17:17 |
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| oiaohm | ConsoleKit2 is alive and well. | Nov 15 17:17 |
| oiaohm | Its the orginal consolekit that is dead. | Nov 15 17:17 |
| MinceR | also, what msb_ said. | Nov 15 17:18 |
| MinceR | looks like poettering can't even do that model right | Nov 15 17:18 |
| oiaohm | MinceR: logind is older than systemd. logind was one of the first project systemd absorbed. | Nov 15 17:18 |
| MinceR | (even if it meant "implement completely before starting to design at all") | Nov 15 17:18 |
| MinceR | (which it does not) | Nov 15 17:18 |
| MinceR | oiaohm: yay! what difference does it make? | Nov 15 17:18 |
| oiaohm | MinceR: logind interface was properly designed to solve particular problem and bsd, solaris and many others agreed to impelment. logind is all wayland and kde is depending | Nov 15 17:19 |
| MinceR | so why is the implementation broken? | Nov 15 17:19 |
| MinceR | why do we not get the choice of logind with sane init/service manager on gnu/linux? | Nov 15 17:20 |
| oiaohm | consolekit2 with any other init system other than systemd you have logind | Nov 15 17:20 |
| MinceR | why does everything around wayland, gnome and kde have to be oriented around "madhat decides what happens on your computer"? | Nov 15 17:20 |
| MinceR | why do people not realize this is the exact opposite of what free software is about? | Nov 15 17:21 |
| MinceR | only because redcrap is not called "microsoft"? | Nov 15 17:21 |
| oiaohm | msb_: the issue here is before systemd many init systems were tried prototyped even if they were techically better than sysvinit they got no where. So pushing the prototype out on everyone in the process starting to address problems that cannot be fixed in default sysvinit is the starting point. | Nov 15 17:23 |
| oiaohm | MinceR: the use of logind did come from redhat it comes from openbsd. Asking a question how in hell do we run X11 without root privillages because its a secuirty nightmare. | Nov 15 17:24 |
| msb_ | Systemd has 36Megabytes of source code, bigger than 40 fictional novels. Nobody is going to read all the updates _and_ figure out whether it will work right, which that blog post shows is pretty much impossible. So a backdoor can be hidden in the source code enabling the US government to kill nearly all computers using Linux. So when the US govt does another huge false-flag operation, like blowing off a nuke in the US and blaming it | Nov 15 17:25 |
| msb_ | on Russia, the US govt will be able to shut off most of the discussion. | Nov 15 17:25 |
| MinceR | oiaohm: does openbsd use systemd? | Nov 15 17:25 |
| oiaohm | MinceR: no they don't use systemd. But they have their own logind | Nov 15 17:25 |
| MinceR | oiaohm: so, why does logind depend on systemd on gnu/linux? | Nov 15 17:26 |
| oiaohm | MinceR: the logind in consolekit2 does not depend on systemd | Nov 15 17:26 |
| MinceR | wasn't the logind in consolekit2 a version that can do none of the thing that allegedly makes logind useful? | Nov 15 17:26 |
| MinceR | s/ng/ngs/ | Nov 15 17:26 |
| oiaohm | The first prototype of logind was for consolekit but was never merged. Because redhat started developing systemd and killed of the consolekit project. | Nov 15 17:27 |
| MinceR | why does it look more and more like gnu/linux is already hopeless? | Nov 15 17:28 |
| oiaohm | gnu/Linux world has always been like hurding cats. | Nov 15 17:30 |
| MinceR | well, now it isn't | Nov 15 17:31 |
| oiaohm | logind alteration had to happen. | Nov 15 17:31 |
| MinceR | now it's deadrat fucking up and destroying everything | Nov 15 17:31 |
| oiaohm | X11 running with full root prvillages is never been healthy. | Nov 15 17:31 |
| MinceR | neither is systemd. | Nov 15 17:31 |
| oiaohm | Before systemd we have had the X11 hairball. | Nov 15 17:32 |
| oiaohm | And we still have the X11 hairball. | Nov 15 17:32 |
| MinceR | and since we already had a hairball, that means all our software must be replaced with hairballs | Nov 15 17:32 |
| MinceR | http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/InsaneTrollLogic | Nov 15 17:32 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-tvtropes.org | Insane Troll Logic - TV Tropes [ http://ur1.ca/o9w35 ] | Nov 15 17:32 | |
| oiaohm | Remember the objective of wayland is to attempt to clean up the X11 hairball. | Nov 15 17:33 |
| MinceR | it's a pretty shitty attempt | Nov 15 17:33 |
| MinceR | considering that they have already discarded some important functionality of X11 from their target | Nov 15 17:34 |
| MinceR | their motto is "Will Never Work" | Nov 15 17:34 |
| MinceR | "X11 is unclean, so here's a block of wood, have fun playing with it" | Nov 15 17:34 |
| oiaohm | What important functionality | Nov 15 17:34 |
| MinceR | screenshots, color picking from other windows, pointer warping, pointer grabbing, server-side decorations | Nov 15 17:35 |
| oiaohm | A lot of the discarded functionality with wayland never worked. | Nov 15 17:35 |
| MinceR | modularity (as in, the display server and the window manager are not the same program) | Nov 15 17:35 |
| MinceR | i use a lot of the discarded functionality every day | Nov 15 17:35 |
| oiaohm | server-side decorations is in the protocol of wayland these days. | Nov 15 17:35 |
| MinceR | but nice try | Nov 15 17:35 |
| MinceR | yes, only in about 1 of the many implementations | Nov 15 17:36 |
| oiaohm | Remember under X11 server side decorations was optional as well. | Nov 15 17:36 |
| oiaohm | So in that regard wayland has come into alignment with X11. | Nov 15 17:37 |
| MinceR | applications doing their own decorations was rare, special and not entirely usable | Nov 15 17:37 |
| MinceR | hell, even m$ realized this was bad design and tried to hack their way around it in windows xp | Nov 15 17:37 |
| MinceR | but for ratcrap, it's The Way To Go | Nov 15 17:37 |
| MinceR | if people this stupid are in charge of IT, then IT has no future. | Nov 15 17:38 |
| oiaohm | libinput has implemented pointer warping and pointer grabbing these days. | Nov 15 17:38 |
| MinceR | finally | Nov 15 17:38 |
| MinceR | what was all the whining about how those features are evil good for? | Nov 15 17:39 |
| oiaohm | Notice something wayland is using oldschool design model of get every part right before moving on to the next list of features. | Nov 15 17:39 |
| oiaohm | And people complain about that. | Nov 15 17:39 |
| MinceR | doesn't look like they're using that model | Nov 15 17:40 |
| MinceR | they got plenty of parts wrong so far | Nov 15 17:40 |
| MinceR | and they aren't even willing to recognize that | Nov 15 17:40 |
| oiaohm | screenshots and color picking that comes down to secuirty. | Nov 15 17:40 |
| MinceR | how can you improve on a design if you won't admit it's not perfect? | Nov 15 17:40 |
| MinceR | yes, security is the excuse | Nov 15 17:40 |
| MinceR | fact is, it can't replace X11 until it can do those | Nov 15 17:40 |
| oiaohm | wayland does contain methods to screenshots and color picking. | Nov 15 17:40 |
| MinceR | and let's not act like it's impossible to select which clients get to do that | Nov 15 17:41 |
| oiaohm | Security is not exactly excuse | Nov 15 17:41 |
| MinceR | for wayland, it is | Nov 15 17:41 |
| oiaohm | trying todo copy paste secure has been more of a nightmare than screenshots and color picking. | Nov 15 17:42 |
| oiaohm | MinceR: design something secure is not exactly simple or fun. | Nov 15 17:43 |
| MinceR | so? | Nov 15 17:43 |
| oiaohm | Have you ever used X11 with extentions so you have selinux enabled. | Nov 15 17:43 |
| MinceR | probably, as i used fedora 15 for a while | Nov 15 17:44 |
| oiaohm | Its a true sport of how will the applications break today. | Nov 15 17:44 |
| MinceR | and yes, it was broken in weird ways | Nov 15 17:44 |
| oiaohm | Fedora 15 never enabled it. | Nov 15 17:44 |
| oiaohm | by default. | Nov 15 17:44 |
| oiaohm | Screen shot with the wrong applications open hello application taking screenshot terminated. | Nov 15 17:44 |
| MinceR | i thought they enabled selinux by default | Nov 15 17:45 |
| oiaohm | copy paste into wrong application application terminated | Nov 15 17:45 |
| oiaohm | Not in X11 MinceR | Nov 15 17:45 |
| msb_ | GNU/Linux is gradually being ruined by the same gang of organized ultra-wealthy psychopaths that did 9/11 and used it as the pretext to destr0y four nations, murder millions of people, and destabilize Europe with millions of Islamic refugees, some of which are ISIL/Al-Qaeda. http://cosmicpenguin.com/CauseAndCure.html http://cosmicpenguin.com/#911 Too bad that most computer people totally ignore these political realities, because | Nov 15 17:45 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-cosmicpenguin.com | THE CAUSE AND CURE OF HUMANITY'S PROBLEMS | Nov 15 17:45 | |
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| msb_ | they are what's behind the destruction of FOSS. | Nov 15 17:45 |
| oiaohm | Because once you did you started tripping privilage breaches. | Nov 15 17:45 |
| oiaohm | due to X11 design. | Nov 15 17:45 |
| oiaohm | MinceR: basically wayland comes out of attempting to make something that can in fact work with security enabled. | Nov 15 17:46 |
| MinceR | that's an awfully wide definition | Nov 15 17:47 |
| MinceR | you could unplug everything and bury the computer in the sea in a block of concrete and it will be secure | Nov 15 17:48 |
| MinceR | it won't do anything for you, though | Nov 15 17:48 |
| oiaohm | MinceR: exactly the awfully wide definition is why wayland gets bogged down in arguements. | Nov 15 17:48 |
| oiaohm | Like one of the wayland arguements was how to prevent false login screens being presented to users. | Nov 15 17:49 |
| MinceR | isn't that what SAK is for? | Nov 15 17:49 |
| oiaohm | Note what you said about awfully wide definition. | Nov 15 17:50 |
| oiaohm | SAK only works if you have a keyboard/buttons. | Nov 15 17:50 |
| MinceR | the definition would be easier to handle if it specified that whatever X11 could do wayland should be able to do too | Nov 15 17:50 |
| MinceR | right | Nov 15 17:50 |
| MinceR | you could also use a LED that only shows you're getting a trustworthy whatever screen | Nov 15 17:51 |
| MinceR | (login or other) | Nov 15 17:51 |
| MinceR | or you could reserve an area of the screen, but that won't work in all applications either | Nov 15 17:51 |
| oiaohm | You are not thinking the way there were. The arguement was locked if you only had a touch screen. | Nov 15 17:52 |
| oiaohm | Does not take a very bright person to work out that arguement is not solvable. | Nov 15 17:52 |
| oiaohm | Yet it was arguemented in the mailing list for 2 and a half years. | Nov 15 17:53 |
| msb_ | FOSS is seen as a menace by the organized ultra-wealthy psychopaths because it is a revolt among the slaves -- us. It's better than the crap they're selling and we're giving it away free -- sharing it. That's what the US and the other fascist countries have been fighting against during the entire 20th century. http://cosmicpenguin.com/#American_Holocaust | Nov 15 17:53 |
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| MinceR | there was a system that used a bar on the screen to ensure secure logins and the like | Nov 15 17:54 |
| MinceR | they could do that on a touchscreen, but it would be a pain when the user wants to watch movies on full screen | Nov 15 17:54 |
| MinceR | (they can't, in that case) | Nov 15 17:54 |
| oiaohm | You are just getting it all usage cases leaves you screwed. | Nov 15 17:54 |
| MinceR | or i can let the user/integrator/administrator decide | Nov 15 17:55 |
| MinceR | provide tools | Nov 15 17:55 |
| MinceR | mechanism, not policy | Nov 15 17:55 |
| MinceR | like X. | Nov 15 17:55 |
| oiaohm | If wayland was just reimplmenting X11 clean it would be done by now. The fact they have a strong security bent is making it take longer. | Nov 15 17:56 |
| msb_ | FOSS also enables communication among everyone on the planet, which allows us to talk about what the psychopaths are doing to us, and to broadcast that information. That severely bothers the psychopaths. Cockroaches can't stand the light. | Nov 15 17:56 |
| oiaohm | MinceR: issue with security and X11 since x11 is not designed for it putting it in latter lets loss hell. | Nov 15 17:57 |
| MinceR | x11 is still the best at what it's designed to do | Nov 15 17:57 |
| MinceR | by far | Nov 15 17:57 |
| MinceR | next to x11, all other windowing systems look like toys | Nov 15 17:57 |
| oiaohm | I would not say that. | Nov 15 17:58 |
| oiaohm | X11 has been the most compadible beast so it stayed alive even when techically better designs have been around. | Nov 15 17:58 |
| MinceR | which competitor let you replace the window manager on a running session? | Nov 15 17:59 |
| MinceR | which competitor did virtual desktops right? | Nov 15 17:59 |
| MinceR | hell, which competitor let you choose what panels you could use? | Nov 15 18:00 |
| oiaohm | Scary point is NT 3.5 had virtual desktops. | Nov 15 18:00 |
| oiaohm | Then Microsoft decided to kill the feature off. | Nov 15 18:00 |
| MinceR | which competitor let you manage the windows of frozen applications? | Nov 15 18:00 |
| MinceR | (not windows.) | Nov 15 18:00 |
| cubexyz | not windoze :) | Nov 15 18:00 |
| MinceR | also, if NT 3.5 did it like the add-ons i tried then it couldn't have worked too well | Nov 15 18:00 |
| oiaohm | beos allowed frozen application management. | Nov 15 18:00 |
| MinceR | there were plenty of unmanageable windows you couldn't get rid of | Nov 15 18:01 |
| MinceR | they were effectively present on all desktops | Nov 15 18:01 |
| oiaohm | Even os/2 allows frozen application management. | Nov 15 18:01 |
| oiaohm | but NT/ Windows did not for some reason. | Nov 15 18:01 |
| cubexyz | how about VMS? | Nov 15 18:02 |
| MinceR | the reason is that the events necessary for window management go to the event loop of the window | Nov 15 18:02 |
| MinceR | which has to run in the application | Nov 15 18:02 |
| MinceR | if the application is frozen, the event loop is frozen | Nov 15 18:02 |
| oiaohm | cubexyz: VMS is X11 | Nov 15 18:02 |
| oiaohm | That is right resizing the output. | Nov 15 18:03 |
| msb_ | Why were all the major assassinations -- John Kennedy, Robert Kennedy, Martin Luther King, John Lennon -- people who were working to free the slaves? Do you think that was just a coincidence? Why were all the researchers who investigated those assassinations smeared by the corporate media -- which are owned by the ultra-wealthy psychopaths -- as "conspiracy theorists"? | Nov 15 18:04 |
| cubexyz | oiaohm, are people still using VMS? | Nov 15 18:09 |
| oiaohm | msb_: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_assassinations more interesting to read this list and see what ones don't get the news. | Nov 15 18:09 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-en.wikipedia.org | List of assassinations - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia [ http://ur1.ca/o9w5p ] | Nov 15 18:09 | |
| oiaohm | msb_: the USA has to be one of the most likely places to end up mixed up with an assassination. | Nov 15 18:10 |
| oiaohm | cubexyz: http://www8.hp.com/au/en/products/servers/openvms/overview.html HP would have you believe so. | Nov 15 18:11 |
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| MinceR | wouldn't hp rather sell you a windows "server"? | Nov 15 18:18 |
| cubexyz | I thought Itanium died | Nov 15 18:19 |
| MinceR | it's pining for the fjords. | Nov 15 18:19 |
| cubexyz | don't have a clue what HP is up to these days | Nov 15 18:19 |
| cubexyz | oiaohm, did you know that the source code of NT 4.0 was leaked? | Nov 15 18:21 |
| cubexyz | I think there's even people building it | Nov 15 18:21 |
| cubexyz | http://www.maxhost.org/other/nt-os2.png | Nov 15 18:41 |
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| cubexyz | a pity all modern OSes are so complex | Nov 15 18:45 |
| MinceR | according to deadrat propaganda, "modern" implies complex | Nov 15 18:46 |
| MinceR | if it's not too complex to work, it's not "modern" | Nov 15 18:47 |
| schestowitz | complex means you need red hat support | Nov 15 18:56 |
| schestowitz | so you buy licensed red hat | Nov 15 18:57 |
| schestowitz | and you get access to their devs | Nov 15 18:57 |
| schestowitz | for features, support etc. | Nov 15 18:57 |
| schestowitz | and there's no way to swap broken bits | Nov 15 18:57 |
| schestowitz | to solve issues | Nov 15 18:57 |
| schestowitz | because it's just redhat's way (systemd) or the bsd way | Nov 15 18:57 |
| schestowitz | that is at least how i typically view it | Nov 15 18:57 |
| schestowitz | gives them leverage over support contracts, which is how they make money | Nov 15 18:58 |
| schestowitz | advantage over canonical/ubuntu/debian right there | Nov 15 18:58 |
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| schestowitz | calling it "free software" is a convenient way to get kdbus etc. into the core | Nov 15 18:58 |
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| oiaohm | cubexyz: Windows 2000 and NT source code leaked. | Nov 15 18:59 |
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| MinceR | and it's useless | Nov 15 19:03 |
| MinceR | and crap | Nov 15 19:03 |
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| cubexyz | I don't use Fedora much any more | Nov 15 19:07 |
| cubexyz | old Fedora like FC1 yes, I still use that | Nov 15 19:08 |
| cubexyz | one only has software freedom if they have the source code, that much is certain | Nov 15 19:10 |
| oiaohm | Its not just having the source code. | Nov 15 19:11 |
| cubexyz | but I've warned people not to get too lazy or too dependent on any one distro | Nov 15 19:11 |
| oiaohm | You do need the right to rebuild the source code as well. | Nov 15 19:11 |
| cubexyz | yes that is true | Nov 15 19:11 |
| oiaohm | now there are devices out there with full source code yet even you rebuild the source code you cannot install it because you don't have the signing key. | Nov 15 19:12 |
| oiaohm | source code is a good starting point. | Nov 15 19:12 |
| cubexyz | just remove the bits that check for the key :) | Nov 15 19:12 |
| oiaohm | cubexyz: not possible some micro processors only take correctly signed firmwares. | Nov 15 19:13 |
| cubexyz | that's why having firmware source code is so liberating | Nov 15 19:13 |
| oiaohm | And if the signed firmwares demard signed OS you are kinda screwed. | Nov 15 19:13 |
| cubexyz | the source code can't defend itself | Nov 15 19:14 |
| cubexyz | one can modify it | Nov 15 19:15 |
| oiaohm | But the hardware can. | Nov 15 19:15 |
| oiaohm | Its like current day nvidia video cards. | Nov 15 19:15 |
| oiaohm | Yes you can access the source code of the firmware but the hardware only accepts signed. | Nov 15 19:15 |
| cubexyz | what hardware is this? | Nov 15 19:16 |
| oiaohm | Particular arm cpu's. current generation Nvidia GPU,s and the list goes on. | Nov 15 19:17 |
| oiaohm | Older Nvidia gpus you could build the firmware for the GPU from source and use it. | Nov 15 19:18 |
| cubexyz | that really does sound like the war on general computing | Nov 15 19:19 |
| MinceR | thus ends the age of the general-purpose computer | Nov 15 19:19 |
| cubexyz | well, it does end it... but it makes me very wary to be sure | Nov 15 19:19 |
| cubexyz | s/does/doesn't/ | Nov 15 19:19 |
| cubexyz | after all, all the pre-locked down hardware still exists | Nov 15 19:20 |
| oiaohm | http://www.slideshare.net/codeblue_jp/igor-skochinsky-enpub This is extreamly fun. | Nov 15 19:20 |
| cubexyz | stuff like this makes me want to buy a microvax or something | Nov 15 19:20 |
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| oiaohm | Most people are not aware the ME chip can in fact delete all connected harddrives. | Nov 15 19:21 |
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| cubexyz | oiaohm, when did ME first appear? | Nov 15 19:23 |
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| cubexyz | and I assume there's a way to turn it off | Nov 15 19:24 |
| oiaohm | No ME chip no computer boot. | Nov 15 19:25 |
| MinceR | makes me glad there's no ME in the raspberry pi :> | Nov 15 19:25 |
| oiaohm | ME chip appears when we get Processor chips needing microcode to work. | Nov 15 19:25 |
| cubexyz | ok, let me put this another way... | Nov 15 19:27 |
| oiaohm | Chromium Embedded Controller (EC) Development is what google uses instead of Intel ME. | Nov 15 19:27 |
| cubexyz | how far back does one need to go to avoid Intel ME chip? | Nov 15 19:27 |
| cubexyz | P4? P3? Pentium Pro? | Nov 15 19:28 |
| oiaohm | ME chip starts as a power management chip doing acpi. | Nov 15 19:28 |
| cubexyz | or would you recommend switching to AMD as an alternative? | Nov 15 19:28 |
| MinceR | the slideshow says the ME was originally on the network card | Nov 15 19:29 |
| oiaohm | MinceR: that is correct. acpi 1996 is when it appears as part of motherboards. | Nov 15 19:31 |
| cubexyz | ok, I have one chromebook | Nov 15 19:31 |
| cubexyz | at least the google people are working with the coreboot people, that's something | Nov 15 19:32 |
| MinceR | looks like the rpi2 is easily more powerful than the last intel cpu you could use without an ME | Nov 15 19:32 |
| MinceR | i wonder what's up on the AMD side, though | Nov 15 19:32 |
| oiaohm | ME/EC/something. | Nov 15 19:33 |
| oiaohm | I cannot remember what AMD one is called. | Nov 15 19:33 |
| cubexyz | there's that DASH thing | Nov 15 19:33 |
| cubexyz | AMD has a version of it | Nov 15 19:33 |
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| cubexyz | what exactly is the ME chip? | Nov 15 19:34 |
| cubexyz | is it inside the CPU? | Nov 15 19:35 |
| MinceR | well, the slideshow says it was part of stuff that became the northbridge | Nov 15 19:35 |
| MinceR | and apparently cpus with integrated gpus tend to have all the northbridge functionality built-in | Nov 15 19:36 |
| MinceR | but i don't really know | Nov 15 19:36 |
| MinceR | actually it says it was moved to PCH and then MCH | Nov 15 19:37 |
| MinceR | https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Platform_Controller_Hub | Nov 15 19:37 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-en.wikipedia.org | Platform Controller Hub - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia | Nov 15 19:37 | |
| MinceR | this looks like it _might_ be outside the cpu | Nov 15 19:37 |
| cubexyz | the thing is, I remember that older motherboards didn't even have ACPI... they had APM I think | Nov 15 19:38 |
| MinceR | and there were mainboards before APM even existed :> | Nov 15 19:38 |
| cubexyz | I assume if one has a computer with APM then they don't have the Intel ME stuff | Nov 15 19:38 |
| oiaohm | cubexyz: ME chip is a physical chip on the motherboard outside the CPU | Nov 15 19:38 |
| MinceR | and then wikipedia redirects from MCH to northbridge | Nov 15 19:38 |
| cubexyz | confusing | Nov 15 19:38 |
| MinceR | indeed | Nov 15 19:38 |
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| oiaohm | MinceR: Its not in the Platform Controller Hub | Nov 15 19:39 |
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| oiaohm | MinceR: remember CE by google in chromebooks is used to replace the ME chip with code Google trusts. | Nov 15 19:39 |
| MinceR | then slide 4 is wrong :> | Nov 15 19:40 |
| MinceR | ic | Nov 15 19:40 |
| MinceR | and what sort of nastiness does google's version contain? | Nov 15 19:40 |
| cubexyz | I think even the zaurus had acpi | Nov 15 19:40 |
| oiaohm | MinceR: google gives you the complete source code. | Nov 15 19:41 |
| cubexyz | EC code is in coreboot | Nov 15 19:41 |
| cubexyz | you need that for any laptop (I think) | Nov 15 19:41 |
| oiaohm | https://www.chromium.org/chromium-os/ec-development | Nov 15 19:43 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.chromium.org | Chromium Embedded Controller (EC) Development - The Chromium Projects | Nov 15 19:43 | |
| oiaohm | cubexyz: EC code for chromebooks is hosted in github. | Nov 15 19:43 |
| oiaohm | As well as googles own storage. | Nov 15 19:44 |
| oiaohm | cubexyz: issue here is intel ME is signed these days. | Nov 15 19:44 |
| oiaohm | So you cannot use your own but have to use intel own made versions. | Nov 15 19:44 |
| oiaohm | The result due to bugs in intel own ME code was google made EC | Nov 15 19:45 |
| oiaohm | MinceR: google version stock does not contain the nasties Intel ME code does. Like Google EC no build in anti-theif tech to trigger system todo nasty things to itself. | Nov 15 19:47 |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Best 2015 smartphones that run stock or | Nov 15 19:49 |
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| oiaohm | MinceR: google with their EC and firmware uses physical hardware read only switch methods as protection instead of signing. | Nov 15 19:52 |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Wine Announcement https://t.co/o2JvvloDXZ | Nov 15 19:52 |
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| MinceR | nice | Nov 15 19:52 |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Wow, this Android phone is stupid cheap | Nov 15 19:52 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-thenextweb.com | Wow, this Android phone is stupid cheap | Nov 15 19:52 | |
| oiaohm | MinceR: so people with direct access to hardware and a tollerance to do phsysical modification can run their own versions. | Nov 15 19:52 |
| cubexyz | yes, we can build are own firmware | Nov 15 19:53 |
| cubexyz | s/are/our/ | Nov 15 19:53 |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Ubuntu Has a Cool Option to Change the Volume | Nov 15 19:53 |
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| MinceR | so i can use the last thinkpad x-series with legacy boot until chromebooks exceed it in power :> | Nov 15 19:53 |
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| oiaohm | The problem I have is signed firmware is to allow vendor to update the firmware securely without requiring user todo anything. | Nov 15 19:55 |
| oiaohm | but its like all things who holds the keys decides how safe you are. | Nov 15 19:55 |
| oiaohm | Personally I believe any hardware you own. You should have the means to replace signing keys with your own keys if you wish of course hardware maker should have right to void warnatiy if you do. | Nov 15 19:57 |
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| cubexyz | but google did use coreboot as a starting point for their bios? | Nov 15 20:15 |
| oiaohm | True yes google core firmware is related to coreboot. | Nov 15 20:17 |
| oiaohm | Coreboot can used Intel ME stuff. | Nov 15 20:17 |
| oiaohm | Really there is very little reason for bios code to be that hidden. | Nov 15 20:18 |
| oiaohm | Or init hardware code to be that hidden. | Nov 15 20:18 |
| cubexyz | ha, name one computer than comes with BIOS source code | Nov 15 20:18 |
| oiaohm | Its not like the code is any use without the physical hardware. | Nov 15 20:18 |
| oiaohm | cubexyz: chromebooks. | Nov 15 20:18 |
| cubexyz | I don't think I've ever seen even one | Nov 15 20:18 |
| cubexyz | oiaohm, git checkout maybe, but on the SSD? no | Nov 15 20:19 |
| cubexyz | a minor quibble | Nov 15 20:20 |
| oiaohm | Developer edition chromebooks that google has handed out. | Nov 15 20:20 |
| oiaohm | Came with a DVD with the source code on it. | Nov 15 20:20 |
| oiaohm | Funny was the machine as no DVD drive. | Nov 15 20:20 |
| cubexyz | that is funny | Nov 15 20:20 |
| cubexyz | but I assume one could buy a USB DVD drive | Nov 15 20:21 |
| oiaohm | The killer is the kernel in that chromebook had been build without the cd/dvd driver | Nov 15 20:22 |
| oiaohm | So even pluging in a USB DVD drive was a no go. | Nov 15 20:22 |
| cubexyz | so there's no chromebook with a DVD drive? | Nov 15 20:22 |
| oiaohm | cubexyz: no chromebook with build in DVD drive | Nov 15 20:23 |
| oiaohm | Of course newer editions of the firmware now do include the driver so you can use a usb dvd drive. | Nov 15 20:24 |
| cubexyz | does google update the kernel remotely? | Nov 15 20:25 |
| cubexyz | I mean they probably could... | Nov 15 20:25 |
| oiaohm | chromebooks do get software updates include kernels. | Nov 15 20:26 |
| cubexyz | I don't suppose I could boot into a live cd on a chromebook | Nov 15 20:26 |
| oiaohm | live usb yes | Nov 15 20:27 |
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| oiaohm | cubexyz: http://www.pcworld.com/article/2873561/google-just-made-it-easier-to-run-linux-on-your-chromebook.html | Nov 15 20:33 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.pcworld.com | Google just made it easier to run Linux on your Chromebook | PCWorld | Nov 15 20:33 | |
| oiaohm | Still I find it annoying that a chromebook cannot boot usb without enabling developer mode. | Nov 15 20:33 |
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| cubexyz | doesn't surprise me | Nov 15 20:34 |
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| cubexyz | know know oiaohm, one thing I found interesting was the short gap of time between windows 2000 and windows xp | Nov 15 21:47 |
| cubexyz | win2k was released in dec 1999 | Nov 15 21:47 |
| cubexyz | winxp was oct 2001 | Nov 15 21:48 |
| cubexyz | not even 2 years later | Nov 15 21:48 |
| cubexyz | then 5 years later Visa comes out | Nov 15 21:48 |
| cubexyz | I stopped using windows a long time ago... around 2003 | Nov 15 22:04 |
| cubexyz | one thing I've noticed is that it's become a rather heavy OS | Nov 15 22:04 |
| cubexyz | always bogged down with anti-virus and whatever svchost.exe does | Nov 15 22:07 |
| MinceR | https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Svchost.exe | Nov 15 22:09 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-en.wikipedia.org | svchost.exe - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia | Nov 15 22:09 | |
| MinceR | yet another in a long series of braindead hacks to work around design flaws | Nov 15 22:09 |
| cubexyz | did NT 4.0 have svchost.exe? | Nov 15 22:10 |
| MinceR | svchost process was introduced in Windows 2000,[5] although the underlying support for shared service processes has existed since Windows NT 3.1.[2] | Nov 15 22:10 |
| MinceR | s/^/The/ | Nov 15 22:10 |
| cubexyz | ok, so no | Nov 15 22:10 |
| MinceR | i really hate programs that decide that doubleclick-drag select starts in a different position when you're not looking | Nov 15 22:10 |
| MinceR | i can't fathom what this braindead behavior is possibly useful for, other than screwing with the user | Nov 15 22:11 |
| cubexyz | what are you trying to do? | Nov 15 22:11 |
| MinceR | i tried to copy that sentence from iceweasel, including "The " | Nov 15 22:11 |
| MinceR | and when i was selecting the end of the sentence, it decided it will leave "The" out of the selection because fuck me | Nov 15 22:12 |
| MinceR | and it can't even be reproduced reliably | Nov 15 22:12 |
| MinceR | what a load of shit | Nov 15 22:12 |
| cubexyz | sometimes clipboarding from the text console can be problematic | Nov 15 22:13 |
| cubexyz | e.g. from within vim | Nov 15 22:13 |
| MinceR | i pretty much only use the text console for troubleshooting | Nov 15 22:14 |
| cubexyz | I don't think firefox has a clipboarding problem though | Nov 15 22:14 |
| MinceR | and in the future, probably for logging in, startx and maybe vlock | Nov 15 22:14 |
| cubexyz | the odd thing is when I'm sshing into another system and then using vim clipboarding works | Nov 15 22:15 |
| cubexyz | it's only when I'm trying to use the local system that it's a bit awkward | Nov 15 22:15 |
| MinceR | what is the symptom you experience? | Nov 15 22:17 |
| cubexyz | it's a very minor quibble really | Nov 15 22:18 |
| cubexyz | when I'm in X, I have a habit of highlighting then right-clicking then copy | Nov 15 22:19 |
| cubexyz | but really I don't need to | Nov 15 22:19 |
| cubexyz | so it's just that in vim the process feels different | Nov 15 22:19 |
| MinceR | does it have mouse support? | Nov 15 22:19 |
| cubexyz | there's no drag of the lighted area in vim | Nov 15 22:20 |
| cubexyz | it just lights up at the end... it's just a minor difference | Nov 15 22:20 |
| cubexyz | MinceR, yes | Nov 15 22:20 |
| MinceR | maybe that's what's interfering | Nov 15 22:21 |
| MinceR | have you tried holding shift while you do the whole selection thing? | Nov 15 22:21 |
| cubexyz | the copy part is really superfluous | Nov 15 22:21 |
| cubexyz | no, it _works_ it just felt different :) | Nov 15 22:22 |
| MinceR | :) | Nov 15 22:22 |
| MinceR | i think the right click thing was meant to be used with a left click to set the other end of the region | Nov 15 22:22 |
| cubexyz | the thing is the gradually hilight works as expected when I'm sshing into another computer so the local vim highlighting feels different | Nov 15 22:23 |
| cubexyz | it's a subtle thing | Nov 15 22:23 |
| cubexyz | e.g. cursor is at end of line, hold down left-mouse button drag... | Nov 15 22:24 |
| cubexyz | it's instanta-highlighted at the end of the process | Nov 15 22:24 |
| cubexyz | not gradual... how is that for picky? :) | Nov 15 22:24 |
| cubexyz | probaby why windows users don't like Linux, it's different enough to bug them | Nov 15 22:25 |
| cubexyz | one customer is completely awed by my use of the command line | Nov 15 22:25 |
| cubexyz | it's like the 4th dimension to him or something | Nov 15 22:26 |
| cubexyz | he's like... to you think I could learn the command line? | Nov 15 22:26 |
| cubexyz | s/to/do/ | Nov 15 22:26 |
| cubexyz | I live at the command line a lot, but I can see that's atypical | Nov 15 22:27 |
| cubexyz | and once I showed them BIOS source code... it was too much for them to handle | Nov 15 22:28 |
| cubexyz | I think one really does develop stronger mental abilities when using Linux/BSD compared to dumbed-down windows and mac | Nov 15 22:30 |
| cubexyz | ok, here is why I am on the console so much: | Nov 15 22:31 |
| cubexyz | http://www.maxhost.org/other/konsole-command-central.png | Nov 15 22:31 |
| cubexyz | I'm controlling a bunch of computers via ssh | Nov 15 22:32 |
| cubexyz | I got q4os for trinity, openbsd for bsd, server for old fedora, and vector for vector linux | Nov 15 22:33 |
| cubexyz | acer is another laptop for extra storage | Nov 15 22:33 |
| MinceR | or one needs to stop being afraid of technology and start being willing to learn | Nov 15 22:34 |
| cubexyz | I fixed my first microwave oven this year :) | Nov 15 22:34 |
| MinceR | people use their most complex, most powerful machinery and expect to do so without learning anything about how to use it whatsoever | Nov 15 22:34 |
| cubexyz | right | Nov 15 22:35 |
| cubexyz | just like we are lacking in botanical knowledge since we often buy processed food | Nov 15 22:42 |
| cubexyz | or even worse, fast food | Nov 15 22:42 |
| MinceR | dunno, my food is pretty slow when it's on my plate :> | Nov 15 22:43 |
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| oiaohm | cubexyz reason for the short gap between 2000 and XP is the fact windows ME was not meant to exist and it was the compadiblity system on 2000 that required a rework. XP contains the reworked version. | Nov 15 23:38 |
| oiaohm | cubexyz: if you want short development Windows ME goes from no existing product to shelfs to on sale in 8 months kinda explains why it was such a lemon. | Nov 15 23:43 |
| cubexyz | what was the idea behind windows me? It seemed useless | Nov 15 23:52 |
| cubexyz | why bother with ME at all when one could just use win2k? | Nov 15 23:57 |
| cubexyz | I guess it was sort of a stop gap between win2k and xp | Nov 15 23:59 |
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| oiaohm | cubexyz: Windows ME was attempted stop gap. Windows 2000 was meant to be able to run everything. Problem is lot of old 95-98 programs would not run under 2000. So not to loss market ME was made. | Nov 16 01:24 |
| oiaohm | cubexyz: really Microsoft should have just made Windows SE with a few more seviece packs until XP release. | Nov 16 01:24 |
| oiaohm | ie SE Windows 98 second edition. | Nov 16 01:24 |
| oiaohm | What broke ME was attempting to take features from 2000 and have them run on a 9x system. | Nov 16 01:25 |
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| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines GNOME's Nautilus File Manager Now Shows SD | Nov 16 04:29 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Cards and External Drives in the Sidebar | Nov 16 04:29 |
| TweetTuxMachines | https://t.co/FKRXKRfl5R (news.softpedia.com) | Nov 16 04:29 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-news.softpedia.com | GNOME's Nautilus File Manager Now Shows SD Cards and External Drives in the Sidebar - Softpedia | Nov 16 04:29 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines 4MLinux 15.0 GNU/Linux Distribution is Now in | Nov 16 04:31 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Beta, Based on Linux Kernel 4.1 LTS | Nov 16 04:31 |
| TweetTuxMachines | https://t.co/A2InICFymM (news.softpedia.com) | Nov 16 04:31 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-news.softpedia.com | 4MLinux 15.0 GNU/Linux Distribution Is Now in Beta, Based on Linux Kernel 4.1 LTS - Softpedia | Nov 16 04:31 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines KDE Plasma 5.4.3, KDE Apps 15.08.3 and KDE | Nov 16 04:32 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Frameworks 5.16.0 Are Now in Chakra GNU/Linux | Nov 16 04:32 |
| TweetTuxMachines | https://t.co/LTML7krUGE (linux.softpedia.com) | Nov 16 04:32 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-linux.softpedia.com | KDE Plasma 5.4.3, KDE Apps 15.08.3 and KDE Frameworks 5.16.0 Are Now in Chakra GNU/Linux - Softpedia | Nov 16 04:32 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Chapeau 23 Beta is here https://t.co/n57u43Xcss | Nov 16 04:32 |
| TweetTuxMachines | (chapeaulinux.org) "built from Fedora | Nov 16 04:32 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Workstation 23" | Nov 16 04:32 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-chapeaulinux.org | Chapeau 23 Beta is here | Chapeau | Nov 16 04:32 | |
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| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Birds Linux 6.0 Is a Distro for Students | Nov 16 05:20 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Featuring KDE Plasma 5.4.3 | Nov 16 05:20 |
| TweetTuxMachines | https://t.co/BDGkVD9b2N (linux.softpedia.com) | Nov 16 05:20 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-linux.softpedia.com | Birds Linux 6.0 Is a Distro for Students Featuring KDE Plasma 5.4.3 - Softpedia | Nov 16 05:20 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Vendetta Online 3D Space Combat MMO Game to | Nov 16 05:20 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Feature Next-Gen Oculus Rift Support | Nov 16 05:20 |
| TweetTuxMachines | https://t.co/7kZFBUVgBt (news.softpedia.com) | Nov 16 05:20 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-news.softpedia.com | Vendetta Online 3D Space Combat MMO Game to Feature Next-Gen Oculus Rift Support - Softpedia | Nov 16 05:20 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Ubuntu Team Needs a Cat to Replicate Important | Nov 16 05:21 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Bug https://t.co/UIZCfjIets | Nov 16 05:21 |
| TweetTuxMachines | (news.softpedia.com) | Nov 16 05:21 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-news.softpedia.com | Ubuntu Team Needs a Cat to Replicate Important Bug - Softpedia | Nov 16 05:21 | |
| schestowitz | [06:19] <cubexyz> cd | Nov 16 05:26 |
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| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Leaping in a new direction with openSUSE 42.1 | Nov 16 06:44 |
| TweetTuxMachines | https://t.co/tsLiRoBor7 (www.tuxmachines.org) | Nov 16 06:44 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Leaping in a new direction with openSUSE 42.1 | Tux Machines | Nov 16 06:44 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines New in Slackware https://t.co/A8oHmhBdOH | Nov 16 06:44 |
| TweetTuxMachines | (www.tuxmachines.org) | Nov 16 06:44 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | New in Slackware | Tux Machines | Nov 16 06:44 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Voice of the Masses: Are rolling releases the | Nov 16 06:44 |
| TweetTuxMachines | future of distros? https://t.co/NozW6hVZm4 | Nov 16 06:44 |
| TweetTuxMachines | (www.linuxvoice.com) | Nov 16 06:44 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.linuxvoice.com | Voice of the Masses: Are rolling releases the future of distros? | Linux Voice | Nov 16 06:45 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines The great game of open source hide and seek | Nov 16 06:45 |
| TweetTuxMachines | https://t.co/fWwdlWVhrm (www.tuxmachines.org) | Nov 16 06:45 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | The great game of open source hide and seek | Tux Machines | Nov 16 06:45 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Red Hat News https://t.co/GOfuVp7rF0 | Nov 16 06:45 |
| TweetTuxMachines | (www.tuxmachines.org) | Nov 16 06:45 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Red Hat News | Tux Machines | Nov 16 06:45 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines today's howtos https://t.co/yL8eHx5gth | Nov 16 06:45 |
| TweetTuxMachines | (www.tuxmachines.org) | Nov 16 06:45 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | today's howtos | Tux Machines | Nov 16 06:45 | |
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| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines New Releases https://t.co/plFgNGDvHz | Nov 16 07:54 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | New Releases | Tux Machines | Nov 16 07:55 | |
| *TweetTuxMachines @softpedialinux favourited 'GNOME's Nautilus File Manager Now Shows SD Cards...' | Nov 16 07:55 | |
| *TweetTuxMachines @softpedialinux favourited '4MLinux 15.0 GNU/Linux Distribution is Now in Beta,...' | Nov 16 07:55 | |
| *TweetTuxMachines @softpedialinux favourited 'KDE Plasma 5.4.3, KDE Apps 15.08.3 and KDE...' | Nov 16 07:55 | |
| *TweetTuxMachines @softpedialinux favourited 'Birds Linux 6.0 Is a Distro for Students...' | Nov 16 07:55 | |
| *TweetTuxMachines @softpedialinux favourited 'Vendetta Online 3D Space Combat MMO Game to...' | Nov 16 07:55 | |
| *TweetTuxMachines @softpedialinux favourited 'Ubuntu Team Needs a Cat to Replicate Important...' | Nov 16 08:09 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines CHIP is the cheaper competitor to the Rasberry | Nov 16 08:10 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Pi https://t.co/VFjdd0Eil5 (www.chris-shaw.com) | Nov 16 08:10 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-SSL connect error ( status 0 @ https://www.chris-shaw.com/b/CHIP-is-the-cheaper-competitor-to-the-Rasberry-Pi ) | Nov 16 08:10 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Leftovers: Software https://t.co/C6lxgU9iZ0 | Nov 16 09:32 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Leftovers: Software | Tux Machines | Nov 16 09:32 | |
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| MinceR | http://s4.legalinsurrection.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/11/Safe-Space-600-LI.jpg | Nov 16 11:36 |
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| r_schestowitz | two new people started following me today, both women, both work for red hat, both marketing | Nov 16 12:41 |
| r_schestowitz | so i have a theory about why.. | Nov 16 12:41 |
| r_schestowitz | maybe they talk about techrights at the offices | Nov 16 12:41 |
| r_schestowitz | their engineers check my profile in linkedin too | Nov 16 12:41 |
| r_schestowitz | and they'll try to sweet-talk me into being nice to red hat | Nov 16 12:42 |
| r_schestowitz | we shall see | Nov 16 12:42 |
| MinceR | or something more sinister | Nov 16 12:44 |
| r_schestowitz | unlikely | Nov 16 12:45 |
| r_schestowitz | you read my articles | Nov 16 12:45 |
| r_schestowitz | you also saw some internal comms with them | Nov 16 12:45 |
| r_schestowitz | they probably worry I'll set up a petition | Nov 16 12:46 |
| r_schestowitz | or talk to RMS about it | Nov 16 12:46 |
| r_schestowitz | (which might happen soon anyway) | Nov 16 12:46 |
| r_schestowitz | they saw what I did to Novell a decade ago | Nov 16 12:46 |
| r_schestowitz | it helped red hat a lot at the time | Nov 16 12:46 |
| r_schestowitz | and some big employees of their supported me in the sense that they linked to it | Nov 16 12:47 |
| MinceR | well, it would be nice if RMS returned to free software | Nov 16 12:49 |
| r_schestowitz | well... | Nov 16 12:49 |
| r_schestowitz | that's a whole another subject | Nov 16 12:49 |
| r_schestowitz | and would include speaking out about systemd | Nov 16 12:49 |
| r_schestowitz | His and his satellites receive money from Red Hat | Nov 16 12:50 |
| r_schestowitz | so risky to criticise | Nov 16 12:50 |
| r_schestowitz | they hardly did much to criticise Novell, either | Nov 16 12:50 |
| r_schestowitz | and worse so with the Linux Foundation | Nov 16 12:50 |
| MinceR | but at least they did something | Nov 16 12:50 |
| r_schestowitz | very much in bed with Novell | Nov 16 12:50 |
| r_schestowitz | and increasingly with MS too | Nov 16 12:50 |
| MinceR | now they just pretend free software was just open source all along | Nov 16 12:50 |
| r_schestowitz | https://twitter.com/cmal_PP/status/666310855945003008 | Nov 16 12:54 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@cmal_PP: @schestowitz WTF? What the hell is wrong with you for sharing such racist and misogynist bullshit? | Nov 16 12:54 | |
| r_schestowitz | I don't think some people get the point of it. It's criticism of censorship or bogus 'free speech' | Nov 16 12:54 |
| r_schestowitz | MinceR: is that right? The cartoon? | Nov 16 12:56 |
| r_schestowitz | Or did I too misinterpret it? | Nov 16 12:56 |
| MinceR | it hurts the SJWs | Nov 16 12:56 |
| MinceR | as it should | Nov 16 12:57 |
| r_schestowitz | Ah, I saw it differently | Nov 16 12:57 |
| r_schestowitz | But I generally support some of these causes | Nov 16 12:57 |
| r_schestowitz | I don't think they need a "free speech" zone | Nov 16 12:57 |
| r_schestowitz | nor should they infiltrate FOSS | Nov 16 12:57 |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Compilers https://t.co/N03NlV92MT | Nov 16 13:12 |
| TweetTuxMachines | (www.tuxmachines.org) | Nov 16 13:12 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Compilers | Tux Machines | Nov 16 13:12 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Hyperdrive Massacre, A Local Multiplayer | Nov 16 13:12 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Frag-fest Now On SteamOS & Linux | Nov 16 13:12 |
| TweetTuxMachines | https://t.co/mPUh2UAF7n (www.gamingonlinux.com) | Nov 16 13:12 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.gamingonlinux.com | Hyperdrive Massacre, A Local Multiplayer Frag-fest Now On SteamOS & Linux | GamingOnLinux | Nov 16 13:12 | |
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| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Age Of Fear: The Undead King & Age Of Fear 2: | Nov 16 13:32 |
| TweetTuxMachines | The Chaos Lord Now On SteamOS & Linux | Nov 16 13:32 |
| TweetTuxMachines | https://t.co/6iAkd7HFdn (www.gamingonlinux.com) | Nov 16 13:32 |
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| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Linux Mint 17.3 beta is out, but no | Nov 16 13:32 |
| TweetTuxMachines | announcement in the site yet. | Nov 16 13:32 |
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| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Screenlocker integration in KWin Wayland | Nov 16 13:32 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.gamingonlinux.com | Age Of Fear: The Undead King & Age Of Fear 2: The Chaos Lord Now On SteamOS & Linux | GamingOnLinux | Nov 16 13:32 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | https://t.co/C3aIxXQal2 (bhush9.github.io) | Nov 16 13:32 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-bhush9.github.io | Screenlocker integration in KWin Wayland | Nov 16 13:32 | |
| r_schestowitz | https://twitter.com/agente_smithe/status/666322532556013568 | Nov 16 13:33 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@agente_smithe: @schestowitz Oh, boy, and I thought it was more things related to Paris attacks... ;-D | Nov 16 13:33 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines StarBreak, A Co-op Roguelike MMO Action | Nov 16 13:39 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Platformer Coming To Linux | Nov 16 13:39 |
| TweetTuxMachines | https://t.co/RBqYr1qZnc (www.gamingonlinux.com) | Nov 16 13:39 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.gamingonlinux.com | StarBreak, A Co-op Roguelike MMO Action Platformer Coming To Linux | GamingOnLinux | Nov 16 13:39 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines FortressCraft Evolved Exits Early Access, | Nov 16 13:39 |
| TweetTuxMachines | SteamOS & Linux Now Fully Supported, But Buggy | Nov 16 13:39 |
| TweetTuxMachines | https://t.co/rJFeqnPvDZ (www.gamingonlinux.com) | Nov 16 13:39 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.gamingonlinux.com | FortressCraft Evolved Exits Early Access, SteamOS & Linux Now Fully Supported, But Buggy | GamingOnLinux | Nov 16 13:39 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines My mom requests a Linux computer | Nov 16 13:39 |
| TweetTuxMachines | https://t.co/Wql2LGHgKr (opensource.com) | Nov 16 13:39 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-opensource.com | My Linux Story: David Both's mother | Opensource.com | Nov 16 13:39 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines "This malware relies on a security hole in the | Nov 16 13:53 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Magento web e-commerce platform, not Linux." | Nov 16 13:53 |
| TweetTuxMachines | https://t.co/v4Vrv5miRl (www.zdnet.com) | Nov 16 13:53 |
| TweetTuxMachines | exactly! | Nov 16 13:53 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.zdnet.com | How to easily defeat Linux Encoder ransomware | ZDNet | Nov 16 13:53 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Rancher Corrals Docker Containers | Nov 16 13:53 |
| TweetTuxMachines | https://t.co/P2y9GZbo15 (www.serverwatch.com) | Nov 16 13:53 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.serverwatch.com | Rancher Corrals Docker Containers | Nov 16 13:53 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Minibian "Jessie" Is a Small and Powerful OS | Nov 16 13:53 |
| TweetTuxMachines | for All Existing Raspberry Pi Versions | Nov 16 13:53 |
| TweetTuxMachines | https://t.co/h7qsFT5u8z (news.softpedia.com) | Nov 16 13:53 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-news.softpedia.com | Minibian "Jessie" Is a Small and Powerful OS for All Existing Raspberry Pi Versions - Softpedia | Nov 16 13:53 | |
| *TweetTuxMachines @CrunchyGames retweeted @tuxmachines: 'StarBreak, A Co-op Roguelike MMO Action Platformer Coming...' | Nov 16 13:53 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines My mom requests a Linux computer | Nov 16 13:54 |
| TweetTuxMachines | https://t.co/bDOEOfuUI5 (www.tuxmachines.org) | Nov 16 13:54 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | My mom requests a Linux computer | Tux Machines | Nov 16 13:54 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines How to easily defeat Linux Encoder ransomware | Nov 16 13:54 |
| TweetTuxMachines | https://t.co/URYdHHkjOn (www.tuxmachines.org) | Nov 16 13:54 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | How to easily defeat Linux Encoder ransomware | Tux Machines | Nov 16 13:54 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Linux: Kernel, Foundation/OpenHPC | Nov 16 13:54 |
| TweetTuxMachines | https://t.co/8xobgQjP5M (www.tuxmachines.org) | Nov 16 13:54 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Linux: Kernel, Foundation/OpenHPC | Tux Machines | Nov 16 13:54 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Minibian "Jessie" Is a Small and Powerful OS | Nov 16 13:55 |
| TweetTuxMachines | for All Existing Raspberry Pi Versions | Nov 16 13:55 |
| TweetTuxMachines | https://t.co/ASjvj76jQJ (www.tuxmachines.org) | Nov 16 13:55 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Minibian "Jessie" Is a Small and Powerful OS for All Existing Raspberry Pi Versions | Tux Machines | Nov 16 13:55 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Distros News https://t.co/RFmAW1paJK | Nov 16 13:55 |
| TweetTuxMachines | (www.tuxmachines.org) | Nov 16 13:55 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Distros News | Tux Machines | Nov 16 13:55 | |
| *TweetTuxMachines @softpedialinux favourited 'Minibian "Jessie" Is a Small and Powerful OS...' | Nov 16 14:34 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Valve Brings Open Source Steam Machine Gaming | Nov 16 14:34 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Consoles to Market https://t.co/cMh3UBLtFN | Nov 16 14:34 |
| TweetTuxMachines | (thevarguy.com) | Nov 16 14:34 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-thevarguy.com | Valve Brings Open Source Steam Machine Gaming Consoles to Market | Open Source Application Software Companies content from The VAR Guy | Nov 16 14:34 | |
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| r_schestowitz | https://twitter.com/retroDoomer/status/666332379473055744 | Nov 16 14:42 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@retroDoomer: @schestowitz err.... Pardon? Seriously? | Nov 16 14:42 | |
| r_schestowitz | Doesn't bode well with the patent agreement | Nov 16 14:42 |
| r_schestowitz | https://twitter.com/retroDoomer/status/666333406834245632 | Nov 16 14:43 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@retroDoomer: @golbigboss another one, along with Origin PC. https://t.co/jIH4A2rwhq | Nov 16 14:43 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz: Is the #fud against #steamos working? https://t.co/W5lqZBnkLc https://t.co/HCwN5pwkxY | Nov 16 14:43 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Top Challenges for Desktop Linux | Nov 16 14:43 |
| TweetTuxMachines | https://t.co/pEKCMUrgry (www.datamation.com) | Nov 16 14:43 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.datamation.com | Top Challenges for Desktop Linux - Datamation | Nov 16 14:43 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines My Thoughts On SteamOS After Some Time With It | Nov 16 14:43 |
| TweetTuxMachines | https://t.co/q5mRpC9Qsk (www.gamingonlinux.com) | Nov 16 14:43 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.gamingonlinux.com | My Thoughts On SteamOS After Some Time With It | GamingOnLinux | Nov 16 14:43 | |
| r_schestowitz | https://joindiaspora.com/posts/6822150 | Nov 16 15:29 |
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| amarsh04 | just an observation - if you are regularly building Linus' git head kernels for better support of new hardware, try to also test the kernels with the oldest hardware that you are running. Sometimes old things that worked break with new releases and the sooner that the problem is reported, the less broken code remains | Nov 16 17:09 |
| schestowitz | Still waiting for answers from Red Hat http://techrights.org/2015/11/16/microsoft-and-redhat-deal/ | Nov 16 17:12 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Red Hat-Microsoft Deal Increasingly Resembles Novell-Microsoft Deal (Including Patent Aspects) | Techrights [ http://ur1.ca/oa0l9 ] | Nov 16 17:12 | |
| schestowitz | Jan: "Funny thing is I don't remember you being that fanatic about the Novell or Canonical deal with Microsoft." | Nov 16 17:33 |
| schestowitz | I did write about it critically, but there was no patent aspect involved. The patent aspect is the main contention point. | Nov 16 17:33 |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/drtocqueville/status/666384735975927809 | Nov 16 17:49 |
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| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/nedlyx/status/666385403113525248 | Nov 16 17:49 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@nedlyx: A Y F K M ? thanks I won't expect any thanks in return! https://t.co/02vj3aWRLV | Nov 16 17:49 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz: Just like Bali, Boston, Madrid, London, NYC, etc. https://t.co/JWUz0MRSlT always blame your critic? | Nov 16 17:49 | |
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| cubexyz | ok, that felt like a router attack | Nov 16 18:18 |
| cubexyz | oiaohm, I would suggest making some notes on how to minimize the memory footprint of Debian | Nov 16 18:19 |
| cubexyz | could be interesting | Nov 16 18:20 |
| cubexyz | for example I have a script that knocks out some LKM's I don't use | Nov 16 18:21 |
| oiaohm | cubexyz: https://www.debian.org/releases/jessie/amd64/ch03s04.html.en I am not exactly doing anything that special to it. | Nov 16 18:21 |
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| oiaohm | 128 is debian min so it abused the hell out of swap. | Nov 16 18:22 |
| cubexyz | e.g. I never need the standard Hot Plug PCI controller driver | Nov 16 18:22 |
| cubexyz | or nfsd | Nov 16 18:22 |
| cubexyz | or bluetooth :) | Nov 16 18:22 |
| schestowitz | Jan: "Yawn. We made a GPL compliant deal. Carlo said so. Canonical and Novell never said that. But you insist on us sharing. While you let the others get away with whatever deal. And you say WE have something to hide? While you happily admit you never asked THEM?" | Nov 16 18:22 |
| schestowitz | "And in all three cases you never asked Microsoft?" | Nov 16 18:22 |
| oiaohm | cubexyz: fairly much the 233 is running standard debian with limited services list and very light X11 if X11 at all. | Nov 16 18:23 |
| cubexyz | very light X11? | Nov 16 18:23 |
| schestowitz | " Carlo said so" doesn't say much because judging by the FAQ it doesn't extend to other players. Canonical said nothing about patents and Novell did something far worse. | Nov 16 18:23 |
| oiaohm | cubexyz: very light skip windows manager use a terminal. | Nov 16 18:24 |
| oiaohm | cubexyz: as I said I keep the 233 around for fun not as recommended usage. | Nov 16 18:24 |
| cubexyz | Linux can run in 16 megs :) | Nov 16 18:25 |
| cubexyz | but not Debian | Nov 16 18:25 |
| cubexyz | http://www.maxhost.org/other/linux-486.jpg | Nov 16 18:25 |
| cubexyz | I used to think that 9 megs on my Amiga was a lot of memory | Nov 16 18:27 |
| oiaohm | My KDE desktop eats up 2 to 3 G of ram. | Nov 16 18:28 |
| cubexyz | memory minimization is a hobby of mine | Nov 16 18:29 |
| oiaohm | Really 128 at 233 mhz is the slowest and smallest ram I deal wth. | Nov 16 18:29 |
| oiaohm | Other than really small like adlreno | Nov 16 18:30 |
| oiaohm | Opps arduino | Nov 16 18:31 |
| oiaohm | I guess you would not go for the insane of booting Linux on a 8bit cpu by emularting a 32 bit one cubexyz | Nov 16 18:31 |
| MinceR | i hope the GPLv3 will screw deadrat | Nov 16 18:31 |
| cubexyz | I wrote up some notes here: | Nov 16 18:31 |
| MinceR | with their patent deal | Nov 16 18:32 |
| cubexyz | http://www.maxhost.org/other/low-memory-os.txt | Nov 16 18:32 |
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| cubexyz | :1 | Nov 16 18:33 |
| cubexyz | sorry, error... 2.11BSD doesn't use 16 megs :) | Nov 16 18:33 |
| cubexyz | http://www.maxhost.org/other/low-memory-os.txt | Nov 16 18:34 |
| cubexyz | corrected... 2.11BSD uses 4 megs of ram | Nov 16 18:34 |
| cubexyz | emulated PDP-11/73 | Nov 16 18:35 |
| cubexyz | 22-bit physical address space | Nov 16 18:35 |
| cubexyz | oiaohm, no... I programmed 8-bit machines enough to know not to try running Unix on them | Nov 16 18:36 |
| cubexyz | 8-bit architecture can't handle Unix | Nov 16 18:37 |
| cubexyz | PDP-11/20 is the historical minimum... | Nov 16 18:38 |
| cubexyz | a rough progression would be: | Nov 16 18:39 |
| cubexyz | PDP-7 -> PDP-11/20 -> PDP-11/40 -> PDP-11/45 -> PDP-11/70 -> Vax 11/780 | Nov 16 18:40 |
| cubexyz | comparatively speaking 128 megs is a huge memory space | Nov 16 18:45 |
| cubexyz | it's only because of all the eye candy and web browser bloat that gigabytes of memory are "necessary" | Nov 16 18:47 |
| cubexyz | I'm still not sure what all the LKMs do in FC1 even after 11 years of study | Nov 16 18:48 |
| cubexyz | the problem I find nowadays is higher resolution pictures and video | Nov 16 18:53 |
| cubexyz | there's no getting around that... higher res stuff needs more memory | Nov 16 18:54 |
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| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Nation Red, A Highly Rated Arena-based | Nov 16 19:02 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Zombie-infested Shooter Looks Like It's Coming | Nov 16 19:02 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.gamingonlinux.com | Nation Red, A Highly Rated Arena-based Zombie-infested Shooter Looks Like It's Coming To SteamOS & Linux | GamingOnLinux | Nov 16 19:02 | |
| schestowitz | [23:03] <oiaohm> cubexyz: the worse I have is a 233 pent with 128 megs of ram. | Nov 16 19:20 |
| schestowitz | has it now worn out yet? | Nov 16 19:20 |
| cubexyz | the lifespan of semiconductors is an open question | Nov 16 19:20 |
| cubexyz | if the electrolyte in the capacitors is durable enough... a motherboard can certainly last beyond 20 years | Nov 16 19:21 |
| cubexyz | the idea that motherboards last '5 years or less' is bogus | Nov 16 19:24 |
| cubexyz | of course some selectivity is necessary to buy decent hardware | Nov 16 19:24 |
| cubexyz | working PDP-11s could be over 40 years old now | Nov 16 19:26 |
| cubexyz | certainly the idea that more than 128 megs of ram is necessary for basic things like checking emails, word processing, using a spreadsheet is incorrect | Nov 16 19:29 |
| schestowitz | Jan, red hat: "But you let them get away while we should somehow share everything with you? Sounds fair, I guess ;-)" | Nov 16 19:29 |
| schestowitz | Who's "them"? Canonical? Novell was open about it, but it was a really terrible thing. Canonical said nothing about patents... | Nov 16 19:29 |
| cubexyz | by all means criticize Microsoft :) | Nov 16 19:30 |
| schestowitz | my desktop from 2008 sort of died recently, sort of... | Nov 16 19:30 |
| schestowitz | I can't seem to get it started | Nov 16 19:30 |
| schestowitz | I ejected fans, memory sticks, etc. | Nov 16 19:30 |
| schestowitz | and I can't figure out why it died after POST | Nov 16 19:31 |
| schestowitz | sometimes doesn't even get to POST | Nov 16 19:31 |
| schestowitz | the fan doesn't seem to be the issue | Nov 16 19:31 |
| schestowitz | two fans always running fine | Nov 16 19:31 |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Red Hat Enterprise Linux 5 and CentOS 5 Receive | Nov 16 19:31 |
| schestowitz | esp. if I remove all the RAM, they just beep endlessly, no shutdown | Nov 16 19:31 |
| cubexyz | try the simplest thing first: compressed air and give it a good cleaning | Nov 16 19:31 |
| TweetTuxMachines | an Important Kernel Update | Nov 16 19:31 |
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| schestowitz | I already cleaned it as much as I could | Nov 16 19:32 |
| cubexyz | dirty memory sockets can preventing booting | Nov 16 19:32 |
| MinceR | can compressed air spinning the fans cause electrical damage? | Nov 16 19:32 |
| schestowitz | still work in progress, I lost another old machine earlier this year | Nov 16 19:32 |
| schestowitz | and I think it died for good when there was a loud bang | Nov 16 19:32 |
| cubexyz | are you using UPS with these computers? | Nov 16 19:32 |
| schestowitz | no | Nov 16 19:32 |
| schestowitz | I also tried swapping cables etc,. | Nov 16 19:32 |
| cubexyz | any visible damage on the board? | Nov 16 19:34 |
| cubexyz | bad caps, burning smell... | Nov 16 19:34 |
| cubexyz | bulging caps is a clear sign they are bad | Nov 16 19:35 |
| cubexyz | MinceR, you could hold the fans still if you were using compressed air on the fan | Nov 16 19:38 |
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| cubexyz | I guess it's possible that spinning the fans too fast could damage the electronics of the fan | Nov 16 19:39 |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Vendor Q&A Series: Mark Enzweiler, Red Hat | Nov 16 19:39 |
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| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines HP Linux Imaging and Printing Driver Update | Nov 16 19:39 |
| TweetTuxMachines | with Support for Ubuntu 15.10 | Nov 16 19:39 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-news.softpedia.com | HP Linux Imaging and Printing Driver Update with Support for Ubuntu 15.10 - Softpedia | Nov 16 19:39 | |
| cubexyz | I don't think fans are simple DC motors nowadays | Nov 16 19:40 |
| schestowitz | Jan: "Where's the Novell contract? Where's the Canonical contract? Why should we share when you let them do whatever they want? Just because we are actually saying what we did? But Canonical gets a free pass because they said nothing? That's borderline hypocrisy. You never bothered to ask? Even though Canonical is working on their phone thingy that should trigger the Microsoft Android patent stuff? Wouldn't that be an interesting question?" | Nov 16 19:41 |
| schestowitz | Canonical does not appear to have spoken about patents at all, unlike Red Hat. And Novell did share a redacted deal text... just before Easter. | Nov 16 19:41 |
| schestowitz | Jan: "As I said. I forwarded your request. It's out if my hands." | Nov 16 19:41 |
| schestowitz | "If you think your public pressure will help, go for it. I just note that Shuttleworth got the free pass." | Nov 16 19:41 |
| schestowitz | My article's about Canonical's Azure thing can easily be found in the archive for that month | Nov 16 19:42 |
| MinceR | cubexyz: i do that | Nov 16 19:42 |
| MinceR | i wondered if it was necessary :> | Nov 16 19:42 |
| schestowitz | *articles | Nov 16 19:42 |
| cubexyz | it seems plausbile you could dislodge the lubricant deep inside the fan | Nov 16 19:43 |
| cubexyz | probably better to replace it with a high quality part | Nov 16 19:43 |
| MinceR | ic | Nov 16 19:43 |
| cubexyz | just like the toner cartridge in a laserjet, at some point it's better to replace a consumable item than to refill or repair it | Nov 16 19:44 |
| cubexyz | although I will say my original P3 Slot 1 CPU fans still work great | Nov 16 19:45 |
| schestowitz | Jan: "And bed time. It's close to 2am :-)" | Nov 16 19:46 |
| schestowitz | My Open Letter to Red Hat's CEO 8 years ago: http://techrights.org/2007/12/21/open-letter-james-whitehurst/ "hard to name companies that have benefited from a Microsoft pact" | Nov 16 19:46 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Open Letter to James Whitehurst, CEO of Red Hat | Techrights | Nov 16 19:46 | |
| cubexyz | I would say also that the thermal paste itself degrades in newer computers | Nov 16 19:48 |
| cubexyz | the Slot 1's didn't have any thermal paste, hence it doesn't degrade | Nov 16 19:48 |
| cubexyz | also the MOSFETs could go bad | Nov 16 19:49 |
| MinceR | i can name one | Nov 16 19:49 |
| MinceR | microsoft | Nov 16 19:49 |
| cubexyz | schestowitz, I would check around for local motherboard repair sites | Nov 16 19:50 |
| cubexyz | there are some really good ones out there | Nov 16 19:50 |
| cubexyz | of course you could just find another NOS motherboard to match the bad one | Nov 16 19:51 |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/AngelaRichter_/status/666379335499124737 | Nov 16 19:56 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@AngelaRichter_: #Zizek's very last words: Next time, even if it takes 10 years, Julian #Assange will join us here. https://t.co/Nwej2P3SjU | Nov 16 19:56 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@AngelaRichter_: #Zizek's very last words: Next time, even if it takes 10 years, Julian #Assange will join us here. https://t.co/Nwej2P3SjU | Nov 16 19:56 | |
| cubexyz | quality motherboard + good UPS + less heat generation == longevity | Nov 16 19:59 |
| cubexyz | oh and buy a decent power supply :) | Nov 16 19:59 |
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| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Best Linux Distribution for Your Hosting | Nov 16 20:02 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.unixmen.com | Best Linux Distribution for Your Hosting | Unixmen | Nov 16 20:02 | |
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| schestowitz | Jan: "And I tried to explain that our deal is quite different. Microsoft moved a lot in our opinion. Carlo told you as much. Forcing him to give up his client privilege is not going to work, that much I can tell. Feel free to not trust us. I did what I could. But you want more. Whatever we do, it won't be enough. But I gather that if we just kept our mouth shut about patents, you couldn't care less. As you did with Canonical. That's just | Nov 16 20:06 |
| schestowitz | crazy IMHO." | Nov 16 20:06 |
| schestowitz | So they're not planning to " give up his client privilege " | Nov 16 20:07 |
| schestowitz | That's their position then | Nov 16 20:07 |
| schestowitz | protecting secrecy of it all | Nov 16 20:07 |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/profBury/status/666419940510048256 | Nov 16 20:08 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@profBury: Did you see it? Today’s hottest tweet among people I follow https://t.co/8dtCfy68rf by @schestowitz | Nov 16 20:08 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights--> linkis.com | Stock Prices of Weapons Manufacturers Soaring Since Paris Attack - Linkis.com | Nov 16 20:08 | |
| schestowitz | http://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/2015/11/16/jeremy-corbyn-attacked-by_n_8578184.html | Nov 16 20:09 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.huffingtonpost.co.uk | Jeremy Corbyn Attacked By Labour MPs Over His Stance On 'Shoot To Kill', 'Jihadi John', Paris Attacks And Stop The War Coalition | Nov 16 20:09 | |
| MinceR | saint redhat | Nov 16 20:12 |
| MinceR | my ass | Nov 16 20:12 |
| schestowitz | Jan: "You are trying to force that. Not we. We are really glad that Carlo was involved. He's one of the best. But he was not the only one. Did you ask Microsoft? Or only Tiller and Carlo?" | Nov 16 20:12 |
| schestowitz | Red herring, they're not likely to communicate with me because they're secretive and the silence serves them more than "Open Organisation" | Nov 16 20:13 |
| schestowitz | Also, don't try to frame this as a personal attack from me against Piana because it's not | Nov 16 20:14 |
| schestowitz | "I got personal emails from Carlo. He's not happy to be put in the spotlight the way you did." | Nov 16 20:16 |
| schestowitz | "He is a personal friend of mine since many years." | Nov 16 20:17 |
| schestowitz | "If that's how you think you'll succeed, go for it. I cannot and don't want to help with that. That's all." | Nov 16 20:17 |
| schestowitz | I made the factual statement that, for Red Hat, he and Tiller were involved | Nov 16 20:17 |
| schestowitz | They evidently consented to a secret deal, like the one signed with Acacia 2 years ago | Nov 16 20:18 |
| schestowitz | "I did what I could. I asked for patience while working behind the curtains. You showed me the finger by publicly demanding stuff. I pointed out that you seem to be selective. All points made b" | Nov 16 20:18 |
| schestowitz | "And how did you know he was involved? Oh." | Nov 16 20:18 |
| schestowitz | You told me so | Nov 16 20:19 |
| schestowitz | "In private." | Nov 16 20:19 |
| schestowitz | Well, some level of transparency would assist somehow, all we have not is a lousy FAQ that's more like PR | Nov 16 20:19 |
| schestowitz | Written favourably, by omission, to bolster Red Hat RP | Nov 16 20:20 |
| schestowitz | "That's abuse of trust in my book." | Nov 16 20:20 |
| schestowitz | "You took it public." | Nov 16 20:20 |
| MinceR | redcrap demands to be smiled at and treated nicely while they destroy gnu/linux and vacuum the last dollars from their victims | Nov 16 20:20 |
| schestowitz | "At least an FAQ. Unlike Canonical. Unlike SUSE." | Nov 16 20:21 |
| schestowitz | Novell released the deal, with redactions | Nov 16 20:21 |
| schestowitz | "Duh. A Red Hat written FAQ is positive towards Red Hat. Film at 11 :-)" | Nov 16 20:22 |
| schestowitz | "Novell released an old deal. Not the Azure one." | Nov 16 20:22 |
| schestowitz | I'm talking about the patent thing | Nov 16 20:22 |
| schestowitz | "Nor did anyone release their Amazon deal." | Nov 16 20:22 |
| schestowitz | Amazon does not use patents versus Linux | Nov 16 20:23 |
| schestowitz | In fact, Microsoft seemingly made Amazon pay for Linux, based on a deal a few years back | Nov 16 20:23 |
| schestowitz | "I don't like it, trust me on that." | Nov 16 20:23 |
| schestowitz | "That's business." | Nov 16 20:23 |
| schestowitz | "I still happily risk being quoted, because I care about your goals." | Nov 16 20:24 |
| MinceR | destroying technology is "business" | Nov 16 20:25 |
| schestowitz | yeah | Nov 16 20:25 |
| schestowitz | apparently | Nov 16 20:25 |
| schestowitz | if it's good for RHT shareholders | Nov 16 20:25 |
| schestowitz | "I don't want to end our conversation. But I also need to keep my job ;-)" | Nov 16 20:25 |
| schestowitz | I didn't quote, I named people whom I knew could be approached for answers | Nov 16 20:26 |
| schestowitz | "I got asked some harsh questions. I could shrug it off thus far." | Nov 16 20:27 |
| schestowitz | "10 years of experience." | Nov 16 20:28 |
| schestowitz | I've tracked Microsoft's patent strategy against Linux this long | Nov 16 20:28 |
| schestowitz | More than full-time capacity | Nov 16 20:28 |
| schestowitz | almost 20,000 articles in Boycott Novell/techrights | Nov 16 20:30 |
| schestowitz | You and I have the same goals, we just get our salaries from different places, small practical difference... | Nov 16 20:32 |
| schestowitz | "But you of all people should know that a GPL compliant agreement (not a patent deal, because we don't have that) covers all users/developers of GPL licensed code." | Nov 16 20:33 |
| schestowitz | "Not only Red Hat." | Nov 16 20:33 |
| schestowitz | "That's what the GPL is about." | Nov 16 20:33 |
| schestowitz | I can't see how the patent standstill extends to others | Nov 16 20:33 |
| schestowitz | If I look at the legalese in the GPL(v2/v3), then I'd find that such agreements would require broader coverage than just Red Hat and its customers | Nov 16 20:34 |
| schestowitz | "Well, ask a lawyer. I did :-)" | Nov 16 20:34 |
| schestowitz | I don't know what to ask the lawyer, and here's why | Nov 16 20:35 |
| schestowitz | "Yep. I would think so too." | Nov 16 20:35 |
| schestowitz | "And that's all I'm going to say." | Nov 16 20:35 |
| schestowitz | Because I don't see what was signed at all, or agreed on. Tiller and Piana know... | Nov 16 20:35 |
| schestowitz | A FAQ is not legal text, and it's just a surrogate that leaves room for speculation | Nov 16 20:36 |
| schestowitz | "And contracts between two parties are not made public. I know. Again. I don't like it. And tried a workaround. Which is now being decided." | Nov 16 20:38 |
| schestowitz | Thank you. | Nov 16 20:38 |
| schestowitz | I thank you for all that you do, I don't blame you for what non-swpats opposers are up to | Nov 16 20:39 |
| schestowitz | "In 4.5 hours I need to be up again. Please excuse me while I try to get some sleep ;-)" | Nov 16 20:39 |
| schestowitz | "And contracts between two parties are not made public. I know. Again. I don't like it. And tried a workaround. Which is now being decided." | Nov 16 20:39 |
| cubexyz | just remember kids: | Nov 16 20:46 |
| cubexyz | http://www.maxhost.org/other/no-windows-10.jpg | Nov 16 20:47 |
| cubexyz | the whole reset windows to a pristine state was a huge crock of shit anyways | Nov 16 20:49 |
| cubexyz | Unix philsophy with plain text files for configuration | Nov 16 20:52 |
| cubexyz | not that registry garbage | Nov 16 20:52 |
| MinceR | deadrat loves it though | Nov 16 20:53 |
| MinceR | "factory reset" | Nov 16 20:53 |
| cubexyz | Microsoft could do just about anything to their customers and they would just go "duh ok" | Nov 16 20:55 |
| MinceR | which is exactly what's happening | Nov 16 20:56 |
| MinceR | and madhat is copying them | Nov 16 20:56 |
| schestowitz | madhat | Nov 16 20:58 |
| schestowitz | deadrat | Nov 16 20:58 |
| schestowitz | redcrap | Nov 16 20:58 |
| schestowitz | when's redM$? | Nov 16 20:59 |
| schestowitz | Or Red Mond? | Nov 16 20:59 |
| MinceR | :> | Nov 16 20:59 |
| cubexyz | next week probably | Nov 16 20:59 |
| MinceR | microsoft raleigh | Nov 16 20:59 |
| schestowitz | !google redhat engineers redmond azure | Nov 16 20:59 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | [1] - Microsoft, Red Hat Collaborate To Put Linux on Azure -- Redmond ... | https://rcpmag.com/articles/2015/11/04/microsoft-red-hat-put-linux-on-azure.aspx | Nov 16 20:59 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | [2] - .NET Framework Dons the Red Hat with Deeper Linux Integration ... | https://visualstudiomagazine.com/articles/2015/11/04/net-framework-red-hat.aspx | Nov 16 20:59 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | [3] - Red Hat-Microsoft partnership means a 'co-location' of engineers ... | http://www.bizjournals.com/triangle/blog/techflash/2015/11/red-hat-microsoft-partnership-linux-azure-cloud.html | Nov 16 20:59 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | [4] - Red Hat, Microsoft Forge Wide-Ranging Cloud Partnership - eWeek | http://www.eweek.com/cloud/red-hat-microsoft-forge-wide-ranging-cloud-partnership.html | Nov 16 20:59 |
| schestowitz | see [3] | Nov 16 20:59 |
| MinceR | "engineers" | Nov 16 20:59 |
| schestowitz | "where do you work?" | Nov 16 20:59 |
| schestowitz | Microsoft | Nov 16 20:59 |
| schestowitz | "who do you work for?" | Nov 16 21:00 |
| schestowitz | Red Hat | Nov 16 21:00 |
| MinceR | "where do you want to go today?" | Nov 16 21:00 |
| schestowitz | "cool" | Nov 16 21:00 |
| cubexyz | a safe prediction: more new distros will appear | Nov 16 21:00 |
| schestowitz | yeah | Nov 16 21:00 |
| schestowitz | well, red hat controlled centos now | Nov 16 21:00 |
| schestowitz | the biggest red hat clone | Nov 16 21:00 |
| schestowitz | bar oracle maybe | Nov 16 21:00 |
| schestowitz | no better | Nov 16 21:00 |
| MinceR | how many of them will be gnu/linux distros, though? | Nov 16 21:00 |
| schestowitz | https://joindiaspora.com/posts/6822181 | Nov 16 21:00 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: How the Baseless 'Terrorists Communicating Over Playstation 4' Rumor Got Started http://motherboard.vice.com/read/how-the-baseless-terrorists-communicating-over-playstation-4-rumor-got-started utter rubbish 'reporting' | Nov 16 21:00 | |
| schestowitz | "I bet they used sarcasm too." | Nov 16 21:00 |
| schestowitz | :-) | Nov 16 21:00 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights--> motherboard.vice.com | How the Baseless 'Terrorists Communicating Over Playstation 4' Rumor Got Started | Motherboard | Nov 16 21:00 | |
| cubexyz | gnu/linux isn't abolustely critical... but their will be some | Nov 16 21:01 |
| schestowitz | MinceR: GNU/Lennix | Nov 16 21:01 |
| cubexyz | absolutely | Nov 16 21:01 |
| MinceR | systemd/Garrettux | Nov 16 21:01 |
| XFaCE | schestowitz: if you read the gentoo forums, you quickly realize that the forum users are competent while the devs aren't | Nov 16 21:02 |
| XFaCE | it's depressing | Nov 16 21:02 |
| XFaCE | systemdthink spreads | Nov 16 21:02 |
| cubexyz | Debian Wheezy -> Q4OS & AntiX | Nov 16 21:03 |
| MinceR | examples? | Nov 16 21:03 |
| cubexyz | also the slackware derivatives | Nov 16 21:03 |
| cubexyz | I still backport to Unix v7, even v5 sometimes :) | Nov 16 21:04 |
| XFaCE | MinceR: schestowitz https://forums.gentoo.org/viewtopic-p-7828070-highlight-williamh.html#7828070 | Nov 16 21:04 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-forums.gentoo.org | Gentoo Forums :: View topic - OpenRC 0.18 error outputs | Nov 16 21:04 | |
| cubexyz | I assure everyone they will not go systemd :) | Nov 16 21:04 |
| XFaCE | " jfranz2 ... to mount, and unmount, network filesystems (ie, NFS mounted shares, etc). I just noticed, these virtual filesytems are being umounted as part of 'netmount' ... omg. " | Nov 16 21:04 |
| XFaCE | https://bugs.gentoo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=562668 | Nov 16 21:05 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-bugs.gentoo.org | Bug 562668 – sys-apps/openrc-0.18: /etc/init.d/netmount unmounts local (non-network) filesystems | Nov 16 21:05 | |
| XFaCE | https://forums.gentoo.org/viewtopic-t-1030678-highlight-williamh.html | Nov 16 21:06 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-forums.gentoo.org | Gentoo Forums :: View topic - bug in profile package.mask | Nov 16 21:06 | |
| cubexyz | is gentoo going systemd? | Nov 16 21:07 |
| XFaCE | " | Nov 16 21:07 |
| XFaCE | The initial bug, | Nov 16 21:07 |
| XFaCE | Code: | Nov 16 21:07 |
| XFaCE | ${udev_monitor}:-no} | Nov 16 21:07 |
| XFaCE | is quite embarrassing, as it implies whoever committed it, both didn't spot it (howling to a shell-scripter) and worse, hadn't even tested it in the most minimal way conceivable." | Nov 16 21:07 |
| XFaCE | https://forums.gentoo.org/viewtopic-t-1019548-highlight-williamh.html | Nov 16 21:07 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-forums.gentoo.org | Gentoo Forums :: View topic - udev-trigger failed after udev-init-scripts-28 update | Nov 16 21:07 | |
| XFaCE | [21:07:11]<cubexyz> is gentoo going systemd? | Nov 16 21:08 |
| XFaCE | it's complicated | Nov 16 21:08 |
| XFaCE | and messy | Nov 16 21:08 |
| XFaCE | cubexyz: I highly recommended reading the forum, it gives a good idea of the current politics | Nov 16 21:11 |
| MinceR | looks like they liked cancerd going ax crazy with unmounting they reimplemented it in netmount | Nov 16 21:11 |
| XFaCE | recommend | Nov 16 21:11 |
| MinceR | s/they/so much &/ | Nov 16 21:11 |
| XFaCE | MinceR: pretty much | Nov 16 21:11 |
| MinceR | netbsd and openbsd are looking better every day | Nov 16 21:12 |
| cubexyz | I really liked the old days better :-/ | Nov 16 21:12 |
| XFaCE | and they have done other "systemd-ready" changes | Nov 16 21:12 |
| XFaCE | MinceR: freebsd is out? | Nov 16 21:12 |
| MinceR | i don't trust them as much | Nov 16 21:13 |
| cubexyz | MinceR, I found setting up a LAN with Linux and BSD machines together to be a powerful combo | Nov 16 21:13 |
| cubexyz | so if I am missing stuff on openbsd: ssh -XC cubeman@vector FBReader | Nov 16 21:13 |
| MinceR | 031156 < MinceR> s/they/so much &/ | Nov 16 21:14 |
| MinceR | undo | Nov 16 21:14 |
| cubexyz | or whatever is missing | Nov 16 21:14 |
| MinceR | s/they r/so much &/ | Nov 16 21:14 |
| cubexyz | -C for compression speeds things up a bit | Nov 16 21:14 |
| MinceR | cubexyz: or i could just run a gnu/linux system in a vm | Nov 16 21:14 |
| cubexyz | sure | Nov 16 21:14 |
| cubexyz | my computers are probably too old for that though | Nov 16 21:14 |
| amarsh04 | after the last motherboard and video card failure I have a secondhand motherboard for this machine that is running happily with a Radeon 9600 video card - passive cooling and vdpau acceleration | Nov 16 21:17 |
| *TweetTuxMachines @softpedialinux favourited 'HP Linux Imaging and Printing Driver Update with...' | Nov 16 21:21 | |
| XFaCE | MinceR: bu-bu-but drivers | Nov 16 21:22 |
| XFaCE | MinceR: what linux would you use | Nov 16 21:22 |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Red Hat Enterprise Linux 5 and CentOS 5 Receive | Nov 16 21:22 |
| TweetTuxMachines | an Important Kernel Update | Nov 16 21:22 |
| TweetTuxMachines | https://t.co/KlRVZVkdRP (www.tuxmachines.org) | Nov 16 21:22 |
| TweetTuxMachines | ........................................ http://ur1.ca/oa1qi | Nov 16 21:22 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Red Hat Enterprise Linux 5 and CentOS 5 Receive an Important Kernel Update | Tux Machines | Nov 16 21:22 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Vendor Q&A Series: Mark Enzweiler, Red Hat | Nov 16 21:22 |
| TweetTuxMachines | https://t.co/8BzhP8eGPw (www.tuxmachines.org) | Nov 16 21:22 |
| TweetTuxMachines | ........................................ http://ur1.ca/oa1qk | Nov 16 21:22 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Vendor Q&A Series: Mark Enzweiler, Red Hat | Tux Machines | Nov 16 21:22 | |
| MinceR | XFaCE: dunno | Nov 16 21:22 |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines UUMATE Is a Respin of Ubuntu MATE 15.10 That | Nov 16 21:22 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Aims to be Better - Video | Nov 16 21:22 |
| TweetTuxMachines | https://t.co/xrpxtNr1KF (www.tuxmachines.org) | Nov 16 21:22 |
| TweetTuxMachines | ........................................ http://ur1.ca/oa1qp | Nov 16 21:22 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | UUMATE Is a Respin of Ubuntu MATE 15.10 That Aims to be Better - Video | Tux Machines | Nov 16 21:22 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines HP Linux Imaging and Printing Driver Update | Nov 16 21:22 |
| TweetTuxMachines | with Support for Ubuntu 15.10 | Nov 16 21:22 |
| TweetTuxMachines | https://t.co/caGzfi2Ufy (www.tuxmachines.org) | Nov 16 21:23 |
| TweetTuxMachines | ........................................ http://ur1.ca/oa1qr | Nov 16 21:23 |
| MinceR | XFaCE: could even use crunchbang waldorf :> | Nov 16 21:23 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | HP Linux Imaging and Printing Driver Update with Support for Ubuntu 15.10 | Tux Machines | Nov 16 21:23 | |
| MinceR | then again, their repos are dead | Nov 16 21:23 |
| MinceR | so debian wheezy | Nov 16 21:23 |
| XFaCE | Void Linux seems pretty good | Nov 16 21:24 |
| XFaCE | Salix | Nov 16 21:24 |
| XFaCE | Alpine | Nov 16 21:24 |
| MinceR | bedrock, if you have distros you can put in it | Nov 16 21:24 |
| XFaCE | bedrock? | Nov 16 21:26 |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Best Linux Distribution for Your Hosting | Nov 16 21:26 |
| TweetTuxMachines | https://t.co/jEy3TVVHa6 (www.tuxmachines.org) | Nov 16 21:26 |
| TweetTuxMachines | ........................................ http://ur1.ca/oa1r6 | Nov 16 21:26 |
| MinceR | http://bedrocklinux.org/ | Nov 16 21:26 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Best Linux Distribution for Your Hosting | Tux Machines | Nov 16 21:26 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-bedrocklinux.org | Bedrock Linux | Nov 16 21:26 | |
| *TweetTuxMachines @softpedialinux favourited 'UUMATE Is a Respin of Ubuntu MATE 15.10...' | Nov 16 21:26 | |
| XFaCE | MinceR: sounds too good to be true | Nov 16 21:27 |
| schestowitz | [02:24] <MinceR> bedrock, if you have distros you can put in it | Nov 16 21:27 |
| schestowitz | remember what bedrock did? | Nov 16 21:28 |
| schestowitz | !google bedrock linux patents | Nov 16 21:28 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | [1] - FOSS Patents: Texas jury finds against Google in Linux patent case ... | http://www.fosspatents.com/2011/04/texas-jury-finds-against-google-in.html | Nov 16 21:28 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | [2] - Google infringes on Linux patent: $5 million judgment | ZDNet | http://www.zdnet.com/article/google-infringes-on-linux-patent-5-million-judgment/ | Nov 16 21:28 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | [3] - Google Loses Patent Case Filed By Patent Attorney Who Was ... | https://www.techdirt.com/articles/20110421/16470613993/google-loses-patent-case-filed-patent-attorney-who-was-helping-fight-patent-excesses.shtml | Nov 16 21:28 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | [4] - Bedrock Linux | http://bedrocklinux.org/ | Nov 16 21:28 |
| schestowitz | 2011 | Nov 16 21:28 |
| schestowitz | Groklaw covered that at the time | Nov 16 21:28 |
| XFaCE | schestowitz: same bedrock? | Nov 16 21:28 |
| schestowitz | same name, different thing, alas... | Nov 16 21:28 |
| schestowitz | no, different | Nov 16 21:28 |
| XFaCE | oops | Nov 16 21:29 |
| MinceR | i don't think this bedrock even existed in 2011 :> | Nov 16 21:29 |
| MinceR | the irc channel was registered in 2012 | Nov 16 21:30 |
| cubexyz | you guys shouldn't complain too much | Nov 16 21:30 |
| cubexyz | christmas 1985... | Nov 16 21:31 |
| cubexyz | http://www.maxhost.org/other/christmas-1985-256k-amiga.png | Nov 16 21:31 |
| cubexyz | 2 grand for 256k :) | Nov 16 21:31 |
| MinceR | back then the IT industry wasn't suffering of a fatal disease | Nov 16 21:31 |
| MinceR | back then computers were built to do what their owner wanted to do | Nov 16 21:31 |
| MinceR | back then the IT industry wasn't controlled by the whims of rich drooling idiots who don't even know what a computer is | Nov 16 21:32 |
| cubexyz | plus upgrading your firmware required a chip change :) | Nov 16 21:32 |
| MinceR | back then governments weren't looking for ways to screw computer users | Nov 16 21:32 |
| XFaCE | MinceR: are you sure? | Nov 16 21:32 |
| cubexyz | right, and no internet access for home either | Nov 16 21:32 |
| cubexyz | how would they even get in? | Nov 16 21:33 |
| MinceR | XFaCE: not really | Nov 16 21:33 |
| MinceR | but afaik there wasn't all this fuckage about back doors for governments, and DMCA, WCT and the rest of the shit | Nov 16 21:33 |
| cubexyz | back in 1985 Microsoft was not as powerful | Nov 16 21:33 |
| cubexyz | we had Amiga, Atari, PC Clones running Xenix, there was a lot of choice | Nov 16 21:33 |
| MinceR | we even had choice of cpus that weren't too weak | Nov 16 21:34 |
| MinceR | we weren't expected to like having our computers tivoized | Nov 16 21:34 |
| MinceR | hell, there was no tivoization | Nov 16 21:34 |
| cubexyz | a simpler time :) | Nov 16 21:34 |
| MinceR | humanity had a future back then | Nov 16 21:34 |
| XFaCE | MinceR: "intellectual property" dates back to the 1970s | Nov 16 21:35 |
| XFaCE | wiretapping | Nov 16 21:36 |
| XFaCE | DRM | Nov 16 21:36 |
| MinceR | wiretapping was for voice over phone, wasn't it? | Nov 16 21:36 |
| MinceR | and DRM was called "copy protection" | Nov 16 21:36 |
| MinceR | and there was no DMCA/WCT to give it legal support | Nov 16 21:36 |
| cubexyz | some of my computers still work from that time period | Nov 16 21:42 |
| cubexyz | printing out a letter was like: | Nov 16 21:43 |
| cubexyz | type letter.txt > prn: | Nov 16 21:43 |
| cubexyz | basically redirect to prn: and you're done :) | Nov 16 21:44 |
| XFaCE | lol | Nov 16 21:44 |
| cubexyz | of course on linux I can just: lp letter.txt | Nov 16 21:45 |
| cubexyz | maybe lp -d hp letter.txt | Nov 16 21:46 |
| cubexyz | but the point is there was no real printer driver back then | Nov 16 21:46 |
| cubexyz | it was ascii straight to the printer | Nov 16 21:46 |
| cubexyz | you got a real manual back then, so no secret protocols | Nov 16 21:47 |
| oiaohm | cubexyz: postscript is also very old. | Nov 16 21:47 |
| oiaohm | https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/PostScript | Nov 16 21:48 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-en.wikipedia.org | PostScript - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia | Nov 16 21:48 | |
| cubexyz | I can't remember how expensive postscript printers were back then | Nov 16 21:49 |
| oiaohm | cubexyz: basically you find postscript in the first computer with a screen mouse and keyboard by xerox. | Nov 16 21:49 |
| cubexyz | all I remember was Epson & panasonic dot matrix printers | Nov 16 21:49 |
| cubexyz | Xerox Star? I couldn't afford that :) | Nov 16 21:50 |
| oiaohm | The stupid part was postscript was a open protocol the issue was cpu power it took to handle it. | Nov 16 21:50 |
| cubexyz | the laserjets had a CPU inside them? | Nov 16 21:51 |
| oiaohm | So we end up with different makers doing own odd ball protocols to save costs. | Nov 16 21:51 |
| oiaohm | cubexyz: you find megs of memory inside old postscript lazer printers. | Nov 16 21:51 |
| cubexyz | yes I know, I own one | Nov 16 21:51 |
| cubexyz | I have an old Laserjet 5N | Nov 16 21:52 |
| oiaohm | I think that is a mips. | Nov 16 21:52 |
| cubexyz | makes sense | Nov 16 21:52 |
| oiaohm | Ok this is warped. 64 bit mips chip. | Nov 16 21:53 |
| oiaohm | Is hiding in a Laserjet 5n | Nov 16 21:53 |
| cubexyz | ok, I see that HP introduced a laserjet back in 1984 at COMDEX | Nov 16 21:54 |
| cubexyz | cool | Nov 16 21:54 |
| cubexyz | for $3500 | Nov 16 21:54 |
| cubexyz | so yes, you could get them for major $$$ :) | Nov 16 21:54 |
| oiaohm | Note the time frame of a Laserjet5N and the fact it 64 bit. | Nov 16 21:54 |
| cubexyz | mine says 1997 on the back | Nov 16 21:55 |
| oiaohm | Exactly most PC and servers at the time were only 32 bit. | Nov 16 21:55 |
| oiaohm | So other than GPU the most powerful cpu in the place would be hidding in a printer. | Nov 16 21:55 |
| cubexyz | can the 5N do double sided printout? | Nov 16 21:56 |
| oiaohm | That called duplex printing. I cannot remember if that was addon or built in with the 5 series. | Nov 16 21:56 |
| MinceR | yeah, i got a real manual with my hp laserjet 4l | Nov 16 21:59 |
| MinceR | pity its paper handling mechanism is garbage | Nov 16 21:59 |
| cubexyz | I see collate and reverse in kedit | Nov 16 21:59 |
| cubexyz | ah, it's an add-on... pity | Nov 16 22:00 |
| cubexyz | there's an optional duplex unit | Nov 16 22:01 |
| cubexyz | seems to fit underneath the laserjet | Nov 16 22:03 |
| cubexyz | MinceR, what's the problem? printing a bit crooked? | Nov 16 22:06 |
| cubexyz | the 4L would probably be quite old by now | Nov 16 22:07 |
| MinceR | pretty much always pulled the pages in crooked | Nov 16 22:07 |
| MinceR | and if it was a bit bent from printing on the other side, you could be sure it would eat the page | Nov 16 22:07 |
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| TweetTuxMachines | https://t.co/fXD27WZ0T8 (www.tuxmachines.org) | Nov 16 22:37 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | KDE Plasma 5.5 on Wayland to Feature a Beautiful and Secure Lockscreen Integration | Tux Machines | Nov 16 22:37 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines The Best Android Phone You Can Buy Today | Nov 16 22:39 |
| TweetTuxMachines | https://t.co/169As3Gsm4 (www.tuxmachines.org) | Nov 16 22:39 |
| TweetTuxMachines | ........................................ http://ur1.ca/oa1yk | Nov 16 22:39 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | The Best Android Phone You Can Buy Today | Tux Machines | Nov 16 22:39 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines ArchEX Live DVD Is Based on Arch Linux, LXDE, | Nov 16 22:39 |
| TweetTuxMachines | and Linux Kernel 4.2.5 https://t.co/9UrOUo4SMI | Nov 16 22:39 |
| TweetTuxMachines | (www.tuxmachines.org) | Nov 16 22:39 |
| TweetTuxMachines | ........................................ http://ur1.ca/oa1yl | Nov 16 22:39 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | ArchEX Live DVD Is Based on Arch Linux, LXDE, and Linux Kernel 4.2.5 | Tux Machines | Nov 16 22:39 | |
| amarsh04 | and remember back in 1993-1994 SGI announcing that their 64-bit technology was to be used by Nintendo for what became the Nintendo-64 | Nov 16 22:53 |
| cubexyz | I think the Atari Jaguar came out back in Nov 1993 | Nov 16 23:02 |
| cubexyz | around the same time | Nov 16 23:02 |
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| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Linux Mint 17.3 "Rosa" Beta with MATE 1.12 | Nov 17 03:46 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Screenshot Tour https://t.co/iSne4mRckK | Nov 17 03:46 |
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| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines The Evolution Of Android Wear | Nov 17 03:47 |
| TweetTuxMachines | https://t.co/cJ6ek7okRf (www.tuxmachines.org) | Nov 17 03:47 |
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| *TweetTuxMachines @MarcoSteffenini followed @tuxmachines | Nov 17 04:54 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Open Source a hit with Bengaluru's techies | Nov 17 04:54 |
| TweetTuxMachines | https://t.co/2VhYBlGn45 (www.tuxmachines.org) | Nov 17 04:54 |
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| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines BQ Aquaris Ubuntu Edition Phones Land in Russia | Nov 17 04:54 |
| TweetTuxMachines | https://t.co/ekomfvmo9i (www.tuxmachines.org) | Nov 17 04:54 |
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| schestowitz | https://joindiaspora.com/posts/6819452 | Nov 17 04:57 |
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| schestowitz | https://joindiaspora.com/posts/6819452 | Nov 17 04:57 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: #Firefox Enables #FFmpeg Support By Default http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=Firefox-FFmpeg-Default #mozilla | Nov 17 04:57 | |
| schestowitz | "And even if MP3 format is close I think it is a good reason thanks these two previous points." | Nov 17 04:57 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights--> www.phoronix.com | Firefox Enables FFmpeg Support By Default - Phoronix [ http://ur1.ca/oa1my ] | Nov 17 04:57 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Android Marshmallow: 12 new KILLER features | Nov 17 05:34 |
| TweetTuxMachines | https://t.co/Wc8OtrHbWz (www.alphr.com) | Nov 17 05:34 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.alphr.com | Android Marshmallow: 12 new KILLER features | Alphr | Nov 17 05:34 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Netrunner Rolling 2015.11 screenshots | Nov 17 05:35 |
| TweetTuxMachines | https://t.co/NYYiBTXaSS (linuxbsdos.com) | Nov 17 05:35 |
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| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines UltraFlix Brings 4K Ultra HD Videos to your 4K | Nov 17 05:35 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Samsung Tizen TV https://t.co/9V5w5Km4X8 | Nov 17 05:35 |
| TweetTuxMachines | (www.tizenexperts.com) | Nov 17 05:35 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-linuxbsdos.com | Netrunner Rolling 2015.11 screenshots | LinuxBSDos.com | Nov 17 05:36 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tizenexperts.com | UltraFlix Brings 4K Ultra HD Videos to your 4K Samsung Tizen TV - Tizen Experts | Nov 17 05:36 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines "FUZE BASIC is fully configured to run with all | Nov 17 05:47 |
| TweetTuxMachines | models of the Raspberry Pi." | Nov 17 05:47 |
| TweetTuxMachines | https://t.co/TVXKmAqzJJ (www.linuxuser.co.uk) | Nov 17 05:47 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.linuxuser.co.uk | Win a FUZE Special Edition | Linux User & Developer - the Linux and FOSS mag for a GNU generation | Nov 17 05:47 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Fedora Elections November / December 2015 | Nov 17 05:47 |
| TweetTuxMachines | https://t.co/IxUHSGJwbk | Nov 17 05:47 |
| TweetTuxMachines | (communityblog.fedoraproject.org) | Nov 17 05:47 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-SSL connect error ( status 0 @ https://communityblog.fedoraproject.org/fedora-elections-novemberdecember-2015/ ) | Nov 17 05:47 | |
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| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Xposed Framework For Android Marshmallow Now | Nov 17 05:47 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Available https://t.co/eH0kBNnFRb | Nov 17 05:47 |
| TweetTuxMachines | (www.techtimes.com) | Nov 17 05:47 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.techtimes.com | Xposed Framework For Android Marshmallow Now Available: Some Samsung And Sony Phones Facing Issues : PERSONAL TECH : Tech Times | Nov 17 05:47 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines GNOME Music App Updated for GNOME 3.18.2 with | Nov 17 05:49 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Minor Improvements, Bugfixes | Nov 17 05:49 |
| TweetTuxMachines | https://t.co/0VHZm6WtRd (linux.softpedia.com) | Nov 17 05:49 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-linux.softpedia.com | GNOME Music App Updated for GNOME 3.18.2 with Minor Improvements, Bugfixes - Softpedia | Nov 17 05:49 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines KDE Plasma 5.5 on Wayland to Feature a | Nov 17 05:50 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Beautiful and Secure Lockscreen Integration | Nov 17 05:50 |
| TweetTuxMachines | https://t.co/2KGd8FGvme (news.softpedia.com) | Nov 17 05:50 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-news.softpedia.com | KDE Plasma 5.5 on Wayland to Feature a Beautiful and Secure Lockscreen Integration - Softpedia | Nov 17 05:50 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines The Best Android Phone You Can Buy Today | Nov 17 05:50 |
| TweetTuxMachines | https://t.co/ZhecwprURe (www.droid-life.com) | Nov 17 05:50 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.droid-life.com | The Best Android Phone You Can Buy Today | Droid Life | Nov 17 05:50 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines ArchEX Live DVD Is Based on Arch Linux, LXDE, | Nov 17 05:51 |
| TweetTuxMachines | and Linux Kernel 4.2.5 https://t.co/wlMar2TDFq | Nov 17 05:51 |
| TweetTuxMachines | (news.softpedia.com) | Nov 17 05:51 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-news.softpedia.com | ArchEX Live DVD Is Based on Arch Linux, LXDE, and Linux Kernel 4.2.5 - Softpedia | Nov 17 05:51 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Linux Mint 17.3 "Rosa" Beta with MATE 1.12 | Nov 17 05:51 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Screenshot Tour https://t.co/4nA0OxpjXO | Nov 17 05:51 |
| TweetTuxMachines | (news.softpedia.com) | Nov 17 05:51 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-news.softpedia.com | Linux Mint 17.3 "Rosa" Beta with MATE 1.12 Screenshot Tour - Softpedia | Nov 17 05:51 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Android Leftovers https://t.co/5DK8ZPlD8S | Nov 17 05:51 |
| TweetTuxMachines | (www.tuxmachines.org) | Nov 17 05:51 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Android Leftovers | Tux Machines | Nov 17 05:51 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Fedora: The Latest https://t.co/GbWRqapsVx | Nov 17 05:55 |
| TweetTuxMachines | (www.tuxmachines.org) | Nov 17 05:55 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Fedora: The Latest | Tux Machines | Nov 17 05:55 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines The Evolution Of Android Wear | Nov 17 05:55 |
| TweetTuxMachines | https://t.co/1cTch5iiY1 (www.sciencetimes.com) | Nov 17 05:55 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.sciencetimes.com | The Evolution Of Android Wear : TECH & INNOVATION : Science Times | Nov 17 05:55 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines BQ Aquaris Ubuntu Edition Phones Land in Russia | Nov 17 05:55 |
| TweetTuxMachines | https://t.co/UAkEW95YoR (www.businesswire.com) | Nov 17 05:55 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.businesswire.com | BQ Aquaris Ubuntu Edition Phones Land in Russia | Business Wire | Nov 17 05:55 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Senior Tech: Sometimes Linux Isn’t the Solution | Nov 17 06:01 |
| TweetTuxMachines | https://t.co/b3V1EI4I0R (fossforce.com) maybe | Nov 17 06:01 |
| TweetTuxMachines | not for the already brainwashed... | Nov 17 06:01 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-fossforce.com | Senior Tech: Sometimes Linux Isn't the Solution | FOSS Force | Nov 17 06:01 | |
| *TweetTuxMachines @techmuser favourited 'Senior Tech: Sometimes Linux Isn’t the Solution https://t.co/b3V1EI4I0R...' | Nov 17 06:01 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Visiting the System76 headquarters -- a Willy | Nov 17 06:06 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Wonka-like superfan experience | Nov 17 06:06 |
| TweetTuxMachines | https://t.co/ORWgLDj5Me (betanews.com) | Nov 17 06:06 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-betanews.com | Visiting the System76 headquarters -- a Willy Wonka-like superfan experience | Nov 17 06:06 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines New Elementary Applications in the Repos for | Nov 17 06:06 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Testing https://t.co/PhzYnLi3qR | Nov 17 06:06 |
| TweetTuxMachines | (www.bodhilinux.com) | Nov 17 06:06 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.bodhilinux.com | New Elementary Applications in the Repos for Testing | Bodhi Linux | Nov 17 06:06 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines The Best Quotes of Linus Torvalds: Money, | Nov 17 06:06 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Hardware, Source Code And Most Important Things | Nov 17 06:06 |
| TweetTuxMachines | For All | Nov 17 06:06 |
| TweetTuxMachines | https://t.co/r3LUQb7qr1 (tlhp.cf) "don’t need | Nov 17 06:06 |
| TweetTuxMachines | PR" | Nov 17 06:06 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-tlhp.cf | The Best Quotes of Linus Torvalds: Money, Hardware, Source Code And Most Important Things For All | The Linux Homefront Project | Nov 17 06:06 | |
| schestowitz | https://www.joindiaspora.com/posts/6823774 | Nov 17 06:30 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: Anne Frank foundation moves to keep famous diary copyrighted for 35 more years http://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/2015/11/anne-frank-foundation-moves-to-keep-famous-diary-copyrighted-for-35-more-years/ #copyright milking the dead artists, too | Nov 17 06:30 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights--> arstechnica.com | Anne Frank foundation moves to keep famous diary copyrighted for 35 more years | Ars Technica | Nov 17 06:31 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Kubuntu 15.10 Wily Werewolf - Pretty useless | Nov 17 06:40 |
| TweetTuxMachines | https://t.co/MHSmWeGzVy (www.dedoimedo.com) | Nov 17 06:40 |
| TweetTuxMachines | "Avoid at all costs. 0/10" | Nov 17 06:40 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.dedoimedo.com | Kubuntu 15.10 Wily Werewolf - Pretty useless | Nov 17 06:40 | |
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| TweetTuxMachines | @Vlsu "Vlsu's Linux Daily" is out! | Nov 17 06:40 |
| TweetTuxMachines | https://t.co/rgXZMWCqqp (paper.li) Stories via | Nov 17 06:40 |
| TweetTuxMachines | @Stekkz @tuxmachines @Cary88888888 | Nov 17 06:40 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-paper.li | Vlsu’s Linux Daily | Nov 17 06:40 | |
| *TweetTuxMachines @softpedialinux favourited 'GNOME Music App Updated for GNOME 3.18.2 with...' | Nov 17 06:40 | |
| *TweetTuxMachines @softpedialinux favourited 'KDE Plasma 5.5 on Wayland to Feature a...' | Nov 17 06:40 | |
| *TweetTuxMachines @softpedialinux favourited 'ArchEX Live DVD Is Based on Arch Linux,...' | Nov 17 06:40 | |
| *TweetTuxMachines @softpedialinux favourited 'Linux Mint 17.3 "Rosa" Beta with MATE 1.12...' | Nov 17 06:40 | |
| *TweetTuxMachines @softpedialinux favourited 'GNOME Music App Updated for GNOME 3.18.2 with...' | Nov 17 06:40 | |
| *TweetTuxMachines @softpedialinux favourited 'KDE Plasma 5.5 on Wayland to Feature a...' | Nov 17 06:41 | |
| *TweetTuxMachines @softpedialinux favourited 'ArchEX Live DVD Is Based on Arch Linux,...' | Nov 17 06:44 | |
| *TweetTuxMachines @softpedialinux favourited 'Linux Mint 17.3 "Rosa" Beta with MATE 1.12...' | Nov 17 06:44 | |
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| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Links 17/11/2015: BQ Aquaris Ubuntu Edition in | Nov 17 07:15 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Russia, 4K Samsung Tizen (Linux) TVs | Nov 17 07:15 |
| TweetTuxMachines | https://t.co/Ua2jEnbpjR (techrights.org) | Nov 17 07:15 |
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| *TweetTuxMachines @schestowitz retweeted @tuxmachines: 'Links 17/11/2015: BQ Aquaris Ubuntu Edition in Russia,...' | Nov 17 07:15 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Links 17/11/2015: BQ Aquaris Ubuntu Edition in Russia, 4K Samsung Tizen (Linux) TVs | Techrights | Nov 17 07:15 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Kubuntu 15.10 Wily Werewolf - Pretty useless | Nov 17 07:16 |
| TweetTuxMachines | https://t.co/SYKkUOhTkJ (www.tuxmachines.org) | Nov 17 07:16 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Kubuntu 15.10 Wily Werewolf - Pretty useless | Tux Machines | Nov 17 07:17 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines France votes for open source, Govt. not keen | Nov 17 07:17 |
| TweetTuxMachines | https://t.co/zBj4u0BITh (www.tuxmachines.org) | Nov 17 07:17 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | France votes for open source, Govt. not keen | Tux Machines | Nov 17 07:17 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Security Leftovers https://t.co/ymEWWiNDvB | Nov 17 07:18 |
| TweetTuxMachines | (www.tuxmachines.org) | Nov 17 07:18 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Security Leftovers | Tux Machines | Nov 17 07:18 | |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/krautlandnewsed/status/666594760438775808 | Nov 17 07:41 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@krautlandnewsed: Last time I saw, a couple of years ago, the UK Border Agency airport terminals were running on #WinXP. https://t.co/3V4nsnMm2e | Nov 17 07:41 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz: Another French Tragedy: Only the Insane Would Put #Windows in Airports https://t.co/C4oV0yaE7J #france #taser #conficker | Nov 17 07:41 | |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/Messgorough/status/666598414549913601 | Nov 17 08:11 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@Messgorough: @schestowitz @krautlandnewsed Tesco still run NT! Seriously!! | Nov 17 08:12 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines today's howtos https://t.co/2wbtIO2W6M | Nov 17 08:36 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | today's howtos | Tux Machines | Nov 17 08:36 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines today's leftovers https://t.co/yQba9AfrjX | Nov 17 08:37 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | today's leftovers | Tux Machines | Nov 17 08:38 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Today in Techrights https://t.co/pvL8of1I6b | Nov 17 08:39 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Today in Techrights | Tux Machines | Nov 17 08:39 | |
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| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines How to customise your Linux desktop: Xfce | Nov 17 09:27 |
| TweetTuxMachines | https://t.co/w5iS6RKxIX (www.zdnet.com) | Nov 17 09:27 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.zdnet.com | How to customise your Linux desktop: Xfce | ZDNet | Nov 17 09:27 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Black Lab Linux 7.0 Launches with Xfce 4.12 and | Nov 17 09:27 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Lots of Improvements https://t.co/6HjzXJu6N0 | Nov 17 09:27 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-news.softpedia.com | Black Lab Linux 7.0 Launches with Xfce 4.12 and Lots of Improvements - Softpedia | Nov 17 09:27 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @econsystems @tuxmachines Check our #QtCAM #Linux WebCam | Nov 17 09:27 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Software(#opensource) | Nov 17 09:27 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.e-consystems.com | Linux Webcam Software | QtCAM | Open Source Camera App | Nov 17 09:27 | |
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| *TweetTuxMachines @softpedialinux favourited 'Black Lab Linux 7.0 Launches with Xfce 4.12...' | Nov 17 09:59 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines How to customise your Linux desktop: Xfce | Nov 17 10:03 |
| TweetTuxMachines | https://t.co/RronluNHrm (www.tuxmachines.org) | Nov 17 10:03 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | How to customise your Linux desktop: Xfce | Tux Machines | Nov 17 10:03 | |
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| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines 14 amazing open source gifts for the holidays | Nov 17 13:24 |
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| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Black Lab Linux 7.0 Launches with Xfce 4.12 and | Nov 17 13:24 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Lots of Improvements https://t.co/g9YVEntk1D | Nov 17 13:24 |
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| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines LXCFS Vulnerabilities Fixed in Ubuntu 15.10 and | Nov 17 20:50 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Ubuntu 15.04 https://t.co/6SLkmSNcm7 | Nov 17 20:50 |
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| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Best Android Phones: Holiday 2015 | Nov 17 20:50 |
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| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Rugged SODIMM-style COM and SBC run Linux on | Nov 17 20:51 |
| TweetTuxMachines | i.MX7 https://t.co/49m0doMpFd | Nov 17 20:51 |
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| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines China's supercomputer growth is exploding while | Nov 17 20:52 |
| TweetTuxMachines | the US is losing steam https://t.co/Mh3RYMFjNj | Nov 17 20:52 |
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| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Ubuntu Touch OTA-9 Will be Released Next Year, | Nov 17 20:52 |
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| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Plotly to open source its dataviz code | Nov 18 04:35 |
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| liberty_box | On vacation at the moment. It has just been mentioned that I'm threatened by EPO http://www.fosspatents.com/2015/11/epo-labor-dispute-getting-completely.html | Nov 18 04:41 |
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| liberty_box | https://twitter.com/FOSSpatents/status/666913543028088833 | Nov 18 04:47 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@FOSSpatents: @schestowitz @Ipkat Spontaneous SUEPO demo at 12.30 CET in front of EPO main building in Munich. I can't go. Maybe you can obtain pictures. | Nov 18 04:47 | |
| liberty_box | need a mirror (or several) for EPO articles to discourage the EPO from bullying pages (information) out of existence | Nov 18 04:48 |
| liberty_box | cubexyz, feel free to make a mirror of the EPO articles | Nov 18 04:48 |
| liberty_box | others too | Nov 18 04:48 |
| liberty_box | the EPO wants to censor Techrights | Nov 18 04:49 |
| liberty_box | not just internally | Nov 18 04:49 |
| liberty_box | http://techrights.org/wiki/index.php/EPO | Nov 18 04:49 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | EPO - Techrights | Nov 18 04:49 | |
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| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Canonical Announces OpenStack Autopilot Tool | Nov 18 05:26 |
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| MinceR | http://i.imgur.com/KJoL6wB.png | Nov 18 05:32 |
| cubexyz | haha | Nov 18 05:33 |
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| MinceR | oiaohm: http://anonscm.debian.org/cgit/pkg-systemd/systemd.git/commit/?h=ubuntu&id=28640752854 | Nov 18 05:44 |
| MinceR | oh snap! | Nov 18 05:44 |
| MinceR | "cgroup notification is unreliable" | Nov 18 05:44 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-anonscm.debian.org | pkg-systemd/systemd - systemd packaging | Nov 18 05:44 | |
| cubexyz | what is this systemd you speak of? | Nov 18 05:44 |
| cubexyz | it must be from the future :) | Nov 18 05:45 |
| MinceR | :) | Nov 18 05:45 |
| cubexyz | http://www.maxhost.org/other/systemd-gandalf.png | Nov 18 05:49 |
| cubexyz | The noveau-Linux GUI-first crowd doesn't care about Unix Philosophies | Nov 18 05:56 |
| cubexyz | old Linux is fine though | Nov 18 05:57 |
| cubexyz | I've heard from debian wheezy users that upgraded to debian testing that their system would not start | Nov 18 06:04 |
| MinceR | back when debian was stable i didn't see any point in using a non-stable release, other than for developing debian itself | Nov 18 06:05 |
| MinceR | now it doesn't matter, it's a ruin anyway | Nov 18 06:05 |
| cubexyz | well, I noted the date I first installed q4os: aug, 12th, 2015 | Nov 18 06:07 |
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| cubexyz | I know the q4os init is compatible with the System V init | Nov 18 06:09 |
| cubexyz | so that's my "solution" | Nov 18 06:09 |
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| oiaohm | MinceR: sorry I have some bad news "cgroup notification is unreliable." is not exactly true. The cgroup designed listed how notifications how to be set up. Of course for many versions systemd was no doing that right. | Nov 18 09:07 |
| MinceR | oiaohm: the emperor has no clothes | Nov 18 09:08 |
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| MinceR | killing all running cron jobs when restarting cron was also ingenious | Nov 18 09:11 |
| MinceR | especially when one of them ran a system update which updated cron | Nov 18 09:11 |
| oiaohm | systemd is not always the brightest tool on the shelf. | Nov 18 09:12 |
| MinceR | it's shiny, though | Nov 18 09:12 |
| MinceR | the kids love it | Nov 18 09:12 |
| oiaohm | Also systemd is not the only init system on Unix to pull kill all cron when restarting it. | Nov 18 09:13 |
| oiaohm | smf on solaris when it first wrapped stuff in zones also did that stunt. | Nov 18 09:13 |
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| oiaohm | MinceR: also remember under cron under sysvinit it was possible to end up with a growing stack of jammed processes under cron as well. | Nov 18 09:15 |
| oiaohm | Attempting to fix the cron failures in sysvinit end up for solaris and systemd developers creating another set of failures. | Nov 18 09:16 |
| MinceR | no, this was created by cargoculting cgroups | Nov 18 09:16 |
| oiaohm | zones is solaris kernel cgroups. | Nov 18 09:17 |
| MinceR | i doubt they're the same | Nov 18 09:17 |
| oiaohm | Tracking all the processes of a service and attempting to enforce clean service shutdown if you are not careful leads to termination. | Nov 18 09:17 |
| oiaohm | Of what you should not be terminating. | Nov 18 09:18 |
| MinceR | cron jobs are not "processes of a service" | Nov 18 09:18 |
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| oiaohm | MinceR: sorry you made a mistake. | Nov 18 09:19 |
| oiaohm | crond runs sub processes that are the cron jobs. | Nov 18 09:19 |
| oiaohm | Now if you have wrapped crond in a zone or a cgroup then enforce termination you are going to kill a little too much. | Nov 18 09:19 |
| MinceR | oiaohm: sorry, you made a mistake. | Nov 18 09:20 |
| MinceR | if cron jobs are "processes of a service", then everything running on your system is just "processes of init" | Nov 18 09:20 |
| MinceR | so stopping a service is just shutting down | Nov 18 09:20 |
| MinceR | and restarting a service is just rebooting | Nov 18 09:20 |
| MinceR | and guess what cancerd did to crond | Nov 18 09:21 |
| oiaohm | smf also rewrote crond to something that allowed each cron job to get its own zone. | Nov 18 09:21 |
| MinceR | gnu/linux has no obligation to copy slowlaris design flaws | Nov 18 09:22 |
| oiaohm | Yes everything is a subprocess of PID 1 under Linux. That is why a disconnected process end up connected to PID1 is that everything is processes off PID1. | Nov 18 09:22 |
| oiaohm | Problem is some of these faults will just happen as soon as you attempt to implement proper process tracking and containment. | Nov 18 09:23 |
| oiaohm | Even upstart ptrace based solution screwed crond over. | Nov 18 09:24 |
| MinceR | can you quote me saying upstart isn't broken? | Nov 18 09:24 |
| oiaohm | deamontools before upstart with crond also had issues with forced termiantion. | Nov 18 09:25 |
| MinceR | also, what cancerd does is not "implement proper process tracking and containment.", it's very far from that | Nov 18 09:25 |
| MinceR | and yet i don't see any desktop environment try to force upstart or daemontools on users, somehow | Nov 18 09:26 |
| XRevan86 | MinceR: Unity | Nov 18 09:26 |
| oiaohm | upstart was forced on a lot of users and no one noticed MinceR | Nov 18 09:26 |
| oiaohm | Because it used the same sysvinit configuration files. | Nov 18 09:26 |
| oiaohm | Ok not many noticed. | Nov 18 09:26 |
| MinceR | and yet it could be swapped out again | Nov 18 09:26 |
| MinceR | n00buntu replaced it with systemd | Nov 18 09:26 |
| XRevan86 | upstart has API Unity uses even now | Nov 18 09:27 |
| MinceR | can you replace systemd with something else? no. | Nov 18 09:27 |
| oiaohm | Note what XRevan86 said MinceR | Nov 18 09:27 |
| oiaohm | Ubuntu swaping back to sysvinit from upstart caused thing to get badly upset | Nov 18 09:27 |
| MinceR | so what you're saying is that systemd being broken is OK, because upstart was almost as broken? | Nov 18 09:28 |
| oiaohm | upstart was more broken. | Nov 18 09:28 |
| oiaohm | Than systemd if you look under hood. | Nov 18 09:29 |
| roy_away | https://twitter.com/IAM_magazine/status/666985819769585664 | Nov 18 09:29 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@IAM_magazine: Meet Dr Roy - open to all opinions and without any kind of agenda P https://t.co/GVGXCxzFds | Nov 18 09:29 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz: Echo chamber at work https://t.co/Na0mzjxUYh #patent profiteers speak to other patent profiteers (like arms industry) | Nov 18 09:29 | |
| oiaohm | By the time you guys started complaining it was too late. | Nov 18 09:29 |
| MinceR | yes, systemd fans believe systemd is not broken | Nov 18 09:29 |
| MinceR | ignore everything, pretend the emperor is not naked | Nov 18 09:29 |
| MinceR | < anon> anon: no reason to be shy here, with GNU/systemd (read: "debian") i had major issues over the last months and endless debugging sessions trying to | Nov 18 09:29 |
| MinceR | migrate my init-scripts (which truely are sophisticated and/or complex sometimes) to a systemd unit. oh jesus don't get me started. | Nov 18 09:30 |
| MinceR | < anon> anon: ended up using freebsd again as a desktop system because i seriously couldn't stand the stability of systemd anymore. | Nov 18 09:30 |
| MinceR | < anon> deployments breaking, systems failing to come up because they eternally wait for running start/stop jobs, all that crap. | Nov 18 09:30 |
| MinceR | < anon> it's impressive how heavy kay and lennart managed to break a whole landscape of distributions with this crap. | Nov 18 09:30 |
| MinceR | the cancerd success story | Nov 18 09:30 |
| oiaohm | There are more than 1 side to every story. | Nov 18 09:31 |
| oiaohm | https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCvq_RgZp3kljp9X8Io9Z1DA | Nov 18 09:32 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.youtube.com | systemd.conf - YouTube | Nov 18 09:32 | |
| oiaohm | for every horible story there are some stories showing what systemd does well. | Nov 18 09:33 |
| oiaohm | Of course I don't say systemd is perfect. It still has it faults. | Nov 18 09:33 |
| oiaohm | MinceR: https://github.com/systemd/systemd/blob/dd050decb6ad131ebdeabb71c4f9ecb4733269c0/NEWS I guess you have not read the 288 new features. | Nov 18 09:40 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-github.com | systemd/NEWS at dd050decb6ad131ebdeabb71c4f9ecb4733269c0 · systemd/systemd · GitHub | Nov 18 09:40 | |
| oiaohm | MinceR: DefaultTasksMax= is a nice new nasty supprise. Of course this is attempting to prevent services from consuming the system out of house and home. | Nov 18 09:41 |
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| cubexyz | I don't even think vector starts crond | Nov 18 09:57 |
| cubexyz | must have turn it off at some point | Nov 18 10:00 |
| roy_away | https://joindiaspora.com/posts/6827256 | Nov 18 10:29 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: Comment: #epo "has become a laughing stock and a byword for a dictatorial management style" http://techrights.org/2015/11/10/epo-and-microsoft-commonality/ | Nov 18 10:29 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights--> techrights.org | New Reports Highlight Need to Crack Down on the European Patent Office and Microsoft | Techrights | Nov 18 10:29 | |
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| lirodon | So Visual Studio Code is MIT licensed now | Nov 18 11:51 |
| lirodon | meh, you'd probably rather use emacs | Nov 18 11:56 |
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| MinceR | ooh, new features! who cares if the system won't even boot? | Nov 18 12:33 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@zoobab: @schestowitz @agonarch when you see all the complains at the EU level against Google, some company is pulling the strings from behind | Nov 18 16:31 | |
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| cubexyz | I've made some observations on cron's history | Nov 18 22:29 |
| cubexyz | before v7 cron was not very reliable but it did exist | Nov 18 22:30 |
| cubexyz | so in Unix v7 init doesn't start cron | Nov 18 22:30 |
| cubexyz | /etc/rc starts /etc/cron | Nov 18 22:30 |
| cubexyz | pwd | Nov 18 22:30 |
| cubexyz | of course this is also pre-sysv and pre-systemIII | Nov 18 22:31 |
| *amarsh04 remembers how in Novell UnixWare the cron that shipped would tend to lock up over time | Nov 18 22:33 | |
| *MinceR expects oiaohm to present this as a failing of modern sysvinit/cron :> | Nov 18 22:35 | |
| cubexyz | a closed source Unix from the bad old days | Nov 18 22:36 |
| cubexyz | one can't say sysv and cron doesn't work in FC1 | Nov 18 22:36 |
| MinceR | a cancerd zealot will, though | Nov 18 22:36 |
| cubexyz | I have empirical evidence that it does work, 376 days and counting | Nov 18 22:37 |
| cubexyz | X doesn't appear to be leaking memory | Nov 18 22:38 |
| cubexyz | so I have to give FC1 the thumbs up :) | Nov 18 22:38 |
| cubexyz | of course the repos died long ago | Nov 18 22:40 |
| cubexyz | well I think it's well tested... almost 12 years now | Nov 18 22:42 |
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| msb__ | cubexyz: Says here Q4OS uses systemd: http://distrowatch.com/table.php?distribution=q4os | Nov 19 13:57 |
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| msb__ | How can it be a solution? | Nov 19 13:57 |
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| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Nvidia Driver Now Supports Xorg 1.18, It's | Nov 19 15:02 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Getting Difficult to Track Them All | Nov 19 15:02 |
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| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines KDE Plasma 5.5 Beta Has Too Many New Features | Nov 19 15:03 |
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| r_schestowitz | [18:57] <msb__> cubexyz: Says here Q4OS uses systemd: http://distrowatch.com/table.php?distribution=q4os | Nov 19 15:33 |
| r_schestowitz | Few don't | Nov 19 15:33 |
| r_schestowitz | and those that don't might suffer | Nov 19 15:33 |
| r_schestowitz | like those who insist on staying with Trinity and/or KDE4 (like PCLOS) | Nov 19 15:34 |
| r_schestowitz | When Debian caved in to Red Hat it had a chain reacton | Nov 19 15:34 |
| r_schestowitz | Many Ubuntu which is based on Debian, so.... | Nov 19 15:34 |
| msb__ | r_schestowitz: What does KDE5/Plasma do that is really beneficial? It just includes a huge amount of bling and bloat. | Nov 19 15:36 |
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| msb__ | I've used KDE3 for many years, and, along with konsole and mc, and a bunch of scripts I've written, it does everything I want, fast and efficiently. | Nov 19 15:38 |
| msb__ | I think a lot of "improvements" are simply changes by programmers who have nothing else to do. One of the most important principles of software engineering is, "If it ain't broke, don't fix it." | Nov 19 15:40 |
| msb__ | A shell, GUI or CLI (I use both together) should provide a minimal user interface to the OS -- enough to do what the user wants, and no more. My system does that. | Nov 19 15:42 |
| msb__ | The purpose of a shell is not to look pretty, nor to provide an infinite number of "bling" customizations. It's purpose is to do what the user wants, and otherwise keep out of the way. If the user wants to look at something pretty, s/he can view a picture or watch a video. I don't even use a background picture, because it would distract the eye, making it hard to locate, e.g., a desired window, and because it would get boring after | Nov 19 15:46 |
| msb__ | a while. | Nov 19 15:46 |
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| msb__ | As to systemd, I most certainly do not want an enormous pile of crud that is so complicated that nobody can understand it or predict what it will do (and I'm just talking about it's init system here), to be in total control of my computer. It's hard to imagine a more stupid move than using systemd, even if it isn't used to hide a backdoor through which the US government can kill every Linux computer. | Nov 19 15:51 |
| msb__ | it's --> its | Nov 19 15:52 |
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| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines GeekBox is an Android & Ubuntu mini PC… and | Nov 19 16:23 |
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| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Parrot’s Bebop 2: smaller, faster, | Nov 19 16:23 |
| TweetTuxMachines | longer-lasting, Linux-fortified | Nov 19 16:23 |
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| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Red Hat adds up-to-date languages to RHEL | Nov 19 18:44 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | i.MX6 SoloX COM sports dual GbE controllers | Tux Machines | Nov 19 19:02 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines If it's not practical to redistribute free | Nov 19 19:02 |
| TweetTuxMachines | software, it's not free software in practice | Nov 19 19:02 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | If it's not practical to redistribute free software, it's not free software in practice | Tux Machines | Nov 19 19:02 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Clonezilla Live 2.4.3-3 Linux Distro Adds | Nov 19 19:13 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Support for NILFS2, Based on Debian Sid | Nov 19 19:13 |
| TweetTuxMachines | https://t.co/z65a8U3u9M (www.tuxmachines.org) | Nov 19 19:13 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Clonezilla Live 2.4.3-3 Linux Distro Adds Support for NILFS2, Based on Debian Sid | Tux Machines | Nov 19 19:13 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Work Set on Open Source Compiler | Nov 19 19:13 |
| TweetTuxMachines | https://t.co/LYBMiYcA30 (www.tuxmachines.org) | Nov 19 19:13 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Work Set on Open Source Compiler | Tux Machines | Nov 19 19:13 | |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/alvfig/status/667495361762738177 https://twitter.com/eliaspraciano/status/667489213785444354 | Nov 19 19:14 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@alvfig: @eliaspraciano @coisasdogeek @hgfernan @Mackellsud @Darkwings1Mr @schestowitz @brigserman @sapo2025 @ro7_so67 valeu, ótimo fim de semana! | Nov 19 19:14 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@eliaspraciano: @coisasdogeek @alvfig @hgfernan @Mackellsud @Darkwings1Mr @schestowitz @brigserman @sapo2025 @ro7_so67 bom final de semana! | Nov 19 19:14 | |
| cubexyz | schestowitz, the version of Q4OS I am using doesn't use systemd | Nov 19 19:39 |
| MinceR | is it an older release? | Nov 19 19:40 |
| cubexyz | it's based on debian wheezy and I removed systemd | Nov 19 19:41 |
| MinceR | ic | Nov 19 19:41 |
| cubexyz | there could be other versions of q4os that do have it by default | Nov 19 19:41 |
| cubexyz | as with AntiX you merely do: apt-get remove systemd | Nov 19 19:42 |
| cubexyz | I wrote a short review of AntiX: | Nov 19 19:44 |
| cubexyz | http://cubexyz.blogspot.ca/search?q=AntiX | Nov 19 19:44 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-cubexyz.blogspot.ca | Notes on Linux | Nov 19 19:44 | |
| cubexyz | all the sysv stuff is supported | Nov 19 19:44 |
| cubexyz | so if you came from the sysv world you'll be comfortable | Nov 19 19:45 |
| cubexyz | it's the same in wheezy itself of course, it is easy to remove systemd from it | Nov 19 19:46 |
| cubexyz | KDE3 people would also be at home with q4os | Nov 19 19:47 |
| cubexyz | that's the main reason why I tried it actually, because trinity was rolled in and ready to go | Nov 19 19:47 |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/sapo2025/status/667504109386379266 | Nov 19 19:48 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@sapo2025: @eliaspraciano @coisasdogeek @alvfig @hgfernan @Mackellsud @Darkwings1Mr @schestowitz @brigserman @ro7_so67 Ótima Sexta-Feira à todos | Nov 19 19:48 | |
| schestowitz | I'm stuck with systemd now | Nov 19 19:49 |
| schestowitz | I'm not sure what it is I'm not liking, Kubuntu, KF5, or systemd (or some of them combined) | Nov 19 19:49 |
| schestowitz | But it's still a mess | Nov 19 19:49 |
| schestowitz | I miss kde4 | Nov 19 19:49 |
| cubexyz | if you're not sure about a distro using systemd always do a "man init" and look for sysv | Nov 19 19:49 |
| schestowitz | when moving to kde4 permanently I didn't miss kde3 as much | Nov 19 19:49 |
| cubexyz | if it doesn't mention sysv at all, you're probably in systemd-land | Nov 19 19:50 |
| schestowitz | red land | Nov 19 19:50 |
| cubexyz | schestowitz, give q4os a try | Nov 19 19:50 |
| cubexyz | it's got the KDE4 stuff as well | Nov 19 19:50 |
| schestowitz | naaa.... too late now | Nov 19 19:50 |
| cubexyz | it is a hybrid of trinity + KDE4 parts | Nov 19 19:50 |
| schestowitz | my settings are in qt5/kf5 format | Nov 19 19:50 |
| schestowitz | I might as well just 'pray' kf5 will be redeemed in due some and the mess resolved | Nov 19 19:51 |
| schestowitz | /some/time/ | Nov 19 19:51 |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/sapo2025/status/667505276539576320 | Nov 19 19:51 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@sapo2025: @alvfig @eliaspraciano @coisasdogeek @hgfernan @Mackellsud @Darkwings1Mr @schestowitz @brigserman @ro7_so67 ihhhh.. Eu trampo... 😭😭😭 | Nov 19 19:51 | |
| cubexyz | /sbin/runlevel reports N 2, just like FC1 | Nov 19 19:52 |
| msb__ | what does locate sbin/init report? | Nov 19 19:54 |
| cubexyz | /sbin/init | Nov 19 19:54 |
| msb__ | same here | Nov 19 19:55 |
| msb__ | may be more accurate than relying on man pages | Nov 19 19:55 |
| cubexyz | if you do man init on a systemd system it will say: "systemd, init - systemd System and Service Manager" | Nov 19 19:57 |
| cubexyz | if you try q4os the first thing to do is: apt-get remove systemd | Nov 19 19:58 |
| msb__ | Will that work on the Jessie version? | Nov 19 19:59 |
| cubexyz | no, it's a lot more work to remove systemd on jessie | Nov 19 19:59 |
| cubexyz | http://without-systemd.org/wiki/index.php/How_to_remove_systemd_from_a_Debian_jessie/sid_installation | Nov 19 20:00 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-without-systemd.org | How to remove systemd from a Debian jessie/sid installation - Without Systemd | Nov 19 20:00 | |
| cubexyz | but it's not too bad | Nov 19 20:00 |
| MinceR | i tend to check the command name in ps -p 1 | Nov 19 20:01 |
| MinceR | but i'm not sure how reliable that is | Nov 19 20:01 |
| MinceR | also, ps auxw|grep systemd | Nov 19 20:01 |
| MinceR | (or logind) | Nov 19 20:02 |
| cubexyz | right, that should report systemd if it's using it | Nov 19 20:03 |
| cubexyz | I have one systemd machine just for knowledge reasons, but the other 9 are not :) | Nov 19 20:03 |
| cubexyz | also one can do: dpkg-query -l *sysv* | Nov 19 20:07 |
| cubexyz | that should find all the sysv packages | Nov 19 20:07 |
| cubexyz | my advice is if you're not sure which distro to pick is to set up a secondary or tetiary box for experimenting purposes | Nov 19 20:12 |
| cubexyz | don't depend on one distro for everything | Nov 19 20:12 |
| cubexyz | tertiary... | Nov 19 20:12 |
| cubexyz | I'm seeing lots of complaints about Ubuntu on the net these days | Nov 19 20:14 |
| cubexyz | if you want Debian, AntiX or Q4OS are fine | Nov 19 20:15 |
| *TweetTuxMachines @softpedialinux favourited 'Clonezilla Live 2.4.3-3 Linux Distro Adds Support for...' | Nov 19 20:15 | |
| *TweetTuxMachines @softpedialinux favourited 'Ubuntu Touch OTA-8 Is Now Live, New Features...' | Nov 19 20:15 | |
| cubexyz | personally I think Q4OS is a bit more interesting, but both are OK | Nov 19 20:15 |
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| cubexyz | here's some q4os notes for starters: | Nov 19 20:17 |
| cubexyz | http://www.maxhost.org/other/q4os-notes.txt | Nov 19 20:17 |
| cubexyz | I'll add more to it as time goes by | Nov 19 20:18 |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines GNOME 3.19.2 unstable tarballs due | Nov 19 20:19 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | GNOME 3.19.2 unstable tarballs due | Tux Machines | Nov 19 20:19 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines 8 ways Red Hat’s CMO is building a modern | Nov 19 20:19 |
| TweetTuxMachines | marketing strategy https://t.co/TR4xLt12hi | Nov 19 20:19 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | 8 ways Red Hat’s CMO is building a modern marketing strategy | Tux Machines | Nov 19 20:19 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines How were Linux kernel servers rooted four years | Nov 19 20:19 |
| TweetTuxMachines | ago? https://t.co/z2Co01Y5sX | Nov 19 20:19 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | How were Linux kernel servers rooted four years ago? | Tux Machines | Nov 19 20:19 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Ubuntu Core to Power #MagicStick , the Most | Nov 19 20:30 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Powerful PC Stick Ever Made | Nov 19 20:30 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-news.softpedia.com | Ubuntu Core to Power MagicStick, the Most Powerful PC Stick Ever Made | Nov 19 20:30 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Service composition in GuixSD | Nov 19 20:30 |
| TweetTuxMachines | https://t.co/pQrhgROB8G (savannah.gnu.org) | Nov 19 20:30 |
| TweetTuxMachines | "GuixSD is not like your parents’ distro." | Nov 19 20:30 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-savannah.gnu.org | GNU Guix - News: Service composition in GuixSD [Savannah] | Nov 19 20:30 | |
| *TweetTuxMachines @softpedialinux favourited 'Ubuntu Core to Power #MagicStick , the Most...' | Nov 19 20:40 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Android/Linux In Europe, Nov 2015 | Nov 19 20:40 |
| TweetTuxMachines | https://t.co/rwzW8rTN8F (mrpogson.com) | Nov 19 20:40 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-mrpogson.com | Android/Linux In Europe, Nov 2015 | Robert Pogson | Nov 19 20:40 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Summertime Retreat https://t.co/keQMs3mePd | Nov 19 20:40 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-schestowitz.com | Summertime Retreat | Nov 19 20:40 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Gabe Newell Simulator Looks Like It's Adding | Nov 19 20:48 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Linux Support, Oh My https://t.co/BRR1JDnRP6 | Nov 19 20:48 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.gamingonlinux.com | Gabe Newell Simulator Looks Like It's Adding Linux Support, Oh My | GamingOnLinux | Nov 19 20:48 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Storm in a teacup: Wileyfox does Android | Nov 19 20:49 |
| TweetTuxMachines | cheapie, British style https://t.co/2vd2RO6Nsb | Nov 19 20:49 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.theregister.co.uk | Storm in a teacup: Wileyfox does Android cheapie, British style • The Register | Nov 19 20:49 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines ZigBee home automation design kits use | Nov 19 20:49 |
| TweetTuxMachines | RPi-based gateway https://t.co/7D3XydiqnA | Nov 19 20:49 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-linuxgizmos.com | ZigBee home automation design kits use RPi-based gateway · LinuxGizmos.com | Nov 19 20:49 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Solus 1.0 Operating System to Launch Before | Nov 19 20:49 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Christmas https://t.co/OJagluDj9b | Nov 19 20:49 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-news.softpedia.com | Solus 1.0 Operating System to Launch Before Christmas | Nov 19 20:49 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Ubuntu Touch OTA-8 Update Officially Released | Nov 19 20:54 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-news.softpedia.com | Ubuntu Touch OTA-8 Update Officially Released | Nov 19 20:54 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-news.softpedia.com | Ubuntu Touch OTA-8 Is Now Live, New Features Start Landing for OTA-9 | Nov 19 20:54 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Nvidia Driver Now Supports Xorg 1.18, It's | Nov 19 20:54 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Getting Difficult to Track Them All | Nov 19 20:54 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-news.softpedia.com | Nvidia Driver Now Supports Xorg 1.18, It's Getting Difficult to Track Them All | Nov 19 20:54 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Ubuntu 15.10 review: Wily Werewolf leaves scary | Nov 19 20:54 |
| TweetTuxMachines | experimentation for next year | Nov 19 20:54 |
| TweetTuxMachines | https://t.co/CS4DBXEU8C (arstechnica.com) | Nov 19 20:54 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-arstechnica.com | Ubuntu 15.10 review: Wily Werewolf leaves scary experimentation for next year | Ars Technica | Nov 19 20:54 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines KDE Plasma 5.5 Beta Has Too Many New Features | Nov 19 20:55 |
| TweetTuxMachines | to Count and Over 1000 Fixes | Nov 19 20:55 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-news.softpedia.com | KDE Plasma 5.5 Beta Has Too Many New Features to Count and Over 1000 Fixes | Nov 19 20:55 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines GeekBox is an Android & Ubuntu mini PC… and | Nov 19 20:55 |
| TweetTuxMachines | developer platform https://t.co/2AM8eDvSdX | Nov 19 20:55 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-liliputing.com | GeekBox is an Android & Ubuntu mini PC... and developer platform - Liliputing | Nov 19 20:56 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Parrot’s Bebop 2: smaller, faster, | Nov 19 20:56 |
| TweetTuxMachines | longer-lasting, Linux-fortified | Nov 19 20:56 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-linuxgizmos.com | Parrot's Bebop 2: smaller, faster, longer-lasting, Linux-fortified · LinuxGizmos.com | Nov 19 20:56 | |
| *TweetTuxMachines @softpedialinux favourited 'Solus 1.0 Operating System to Launch Before Christmas...' | Nov 19 20:56 | |
| *TweetTuxMachines @softpedialinux favourited 'Ubuntu Touch OTA-8 Update Officially Released https://t.co/CybQS3XRTO https://t.co/FyqutCkfjO' | Nov 19 20:56 | |
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| *TweetTuxMachines @softpedialinux favourited 'KDE Plasma 5.5 Beta Has Too Many New...' | Nov 19 20:56 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-news.softpedia.com | Ubuntu Touch OTA-8 Update Officially Released | Nov 19 20:56 | |
| *TweetTuxMachines @techmuser favourited 'Parrot’s Bebop 2: smaller, faster, longer-lasting, Linux-fortified https://t.co/Shh2gqxsCl' | Nov 19 20:56 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Red Hat adds up-to-date languages to RHEL | Nov 19 20:56 |
| TweetTuxMachines | https://t.co/lLlHIhtIEt (www.zdnet.com) | Nov 19 20:56 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.zdnet.com | Red Hat adds up-to-date languages to RHEL | ZDNet | Nov 19 20:56 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines i.MX6 SoloX COM sports dual GbE controllers | Nov 19 20:59 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-linuxgizmos.com | i.MX6 SoloX COM sports dual GbE controllers · LinuxGizmos.com | Nov 19 20:59 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines If it's not practical to redistribute free | Nov 19 20:59 |
| TweetTuxMachines | software, it's not free software in practice | Nov 19 20:59 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-mjg59.dreamwidth.org | mjg59 | If it's not practical to redistribute free software, it's not free software in practice | Nov 19 20:59 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Clonezilla Live 2.4.3-3 Linux Distro Adds | Nov 19 20:59 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Support for NILFS2, Based on Debian Sid | Nov 19 20:59 |
| TweetTuxMachines | https://t.co/HgBY1egPZr (news.softpedia.com) | Nov 19 20:59 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-news.softpedia.com | Clonezilla Live 2.4.3-3 Linux Distro Adds Support for NILFS2, Based on Debian Sid | Nov 19 21:00 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines GNOME 3.19.2 unstable tarballs due | Nov 19 21:00 |
| TweetTuxMachines | https://t.co/fNbOCC6vk3 (permalink.gmane.org) | Nov 19 21:00 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-permalink.gmane.org | GNOME 3.19.2 unstable tarballs due | Nov 19 21:00 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines 8 ways Red Hat’s CMO is building a modern | Nov 19 21:01 |
| TweetTuxMachines | marketing strategy https://t.co/txBamyGUgi | Nov 19 21:01 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.cmo.com.au | 8 ways Red Hat’s CMO is building a modern marketing strategy - CMO Australia | Nov 19 21:01 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines How were Linux kernel servers rooted four years | Nov 19 21:01 |
| TweetTuxMachines | ago? https://t.co/Z50p6M4Snu (www.itwire.com) | Nov 19 21:01 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.itwire.com | iTWire - How were Linux kernel servers rooted four years ago? | Nov 19 21:01 | |
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| *TweetTuxMachines @softpedialinux favourited 'Clonezilla Live 2.4.3-3 Linux Distro Adds Support for...' | Nov 19 21:15 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Cherry Trail stick-PC supports Android, Ubuntu | Nov 19 21:15 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Snappy https://t.co/kxRxebtCAv | Nov 19 21:15 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-linuxgizmos.com | Cherry Trail stick-PC supports Android, Ubuntu Snappy · LinuxGizmos.com | Nov 19 21:15 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Watch: DOOM First-Person Shooter Video Game | Nov 19 21:15 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Running on Ubuntu Phone https://t.co/i5WxqP1356 | Nov 19 21:15 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-linux.softpedia.com | Watch: DOOM First-Person Shooter Video Game Running on Ubuntu Phone | Nov 19 21:15 | |
| *TweetTuxMachines @softpedialinux favourited 'Watch: DOOM First-Person Shooter Video Game Running on...' | Nov 19 21:22 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Changing Tack: Evolving Attitudes to Open | Nov 19 21:23 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Source https://t.co/TJlyIOeO0r | Nov 19 21:23 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Changing Tack: Evolving Attitudes to Open Source | Tux Machines | Nov 19 21:23 | |
| schestowitz | Re: Microshafts latest strategy to kill google | Nov 19 21:37 |
| schestowitz | > Integrate Bing directly into the desktop and applications: quote: | Nov 19 21:37 |
| schestowitz | > | Nov 19 21:37 |
| schestowitz | > "Microsoft’s strategy was based on making search an “ambient” experience | Nov 19 21:37 |
| schestowitz | > by integrating Bing into multiple features, including Office and the | Nov 19 21:37 |
| schestowitz | > personal assistant service Cortana .. Microsoft was prepared to | Nov 19 21:37 |
| schestowitz | > introduce Bing into the Skype platform to benefit users" | Nov 19 21:37 |
| schestowitz | > | Nov 19 21:37 |
| schestowitz | > “In Windows 10 you are seeing Bing integrated into the overall service.” | Nov 19 21:37 |
| schestowitz | > | Nov 19 21:37 |
| schestowitz | > 'Users of the Word word-processing system can right-click on a word or | Nov 19 21:37 |
| schestowitz | > phrase and receive insights directly from the Bing index.' | Nov 19 21:37 |
| schestowitz | > | Nov 19 21:37 |
| schestowitz | > http://www.independent.co.uk/news/business/analysis-and-features/rik-van-der-kooi-microsoft-ups-its-challenge-to-google-with-big-plans-for-bing-a6739976.html | Nov 19 21:37 |
| schestowitz | They won't succeed. They're trying though... OEMs are breaking up with them. More over time... | Nov 19 21:37 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.independent.co.uk | Rik van der Kooi: Microsoft ups its challenge to Google with big plans for Bing | Business Analysis & Features | News | The Independent [ http://ur1.ca/oam1x ] | Nov 19 21:37 | |
| schestowitz | Re: NYC Map the Homeless .. | Nov 19 21:37 |
| schestowitz | > http://nycmapthehomeless.com/map.php | Nov 19 21:37 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-nycmapthehomeless.com | NYC Map The Homeless | Nov 19 21:37 | |
| schestowitz | > | Nov 19 21:37 |
| schestowitz | > This is an interesting app, how would someone go about creating | Nov 19 21:37 |
| schestowitz | > something similar for London. it would be of use to the Homeless sector. | Nov 19 21:37 |
| schestowitz | > The gov says the numbers are going down while the charities say the | Nov 19 21:37 |
| schestowitz | > opposite. | Nov 19 21:37 |
| schestowitz | Borisism | Nov 19 21:37 |
| cubexyz | hmmmm | Nov 19 21:40 |
| cubexyz | I would have thought that the homeless would be a certain percentage of the population | Nov 19 21:40 |
| cubexyz | pop goes up homeless goes up | Nov 19 21:40 |
| schestowitz | https://joindiaspora.com/posts/6829408 | Nov 19 21:41 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: Microsoft reuses an old script and it's a lie http://news.softpedia.com/news/microsoft-windows-10-is-the-most-secure-operating-system-496352.shtml if back doors and spyware is 'security' http://techrights.org/wiki/index.php/Vista_10_Reality_Log | Nov 19 21:41 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights--> news.softpedia.com | Microsoft: Windows 10 Is the Most Secure Operating System | Nov 19 21:41 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights--> techrights.org | Vista 10 Reality Log - Techrights | Nov 19 21:41 | |
| schestowitz | "Windows es malo, espía, restringe y controla al usuario de lo que hace…" | Nov 19 21:41 |
| schestowitz | "^ verdad' | Nov 19 21:41 |
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| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines MagicStick and More Ubuntu | Nov 19 22:45 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | MagicStick and More Ubuntu | Tux Machines | Nov 19 22:45 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Bodhi 3.1.1 Released, Fedora 21 EOL, Mint 17.3 | Nov 19 22:45 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Betas https://t.co/tXDbdja6s6 | Nov 19 22:45 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Bodhi 3.1.1 Released, Fedora 21 EOL, Mint 17.3 Betas | Tux Machines | Nov 19 22:45 | |
| cubexyz | ok, some updates to foss-matrix: | Nov 19 23:56 |
| cubexyz | http://www.maxhost.org/other/foss-matrix.txt | Nov 19 23:56 |
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| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines What's the Future of the Chromebook? | Nov 20 05:45 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.consumerreports.org | What's the Future of the Chromebook? - Consumer Reports | Nov 20 05:45 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines MOST Linux Driver Supports Microchip Interface | Nov 20 05:45 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Controllers https://t.co/zLIimKmUK0 | Nov 20 05:45 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-electronics360.globalspec.com | MOST Linux Driver Supports Microchip Interface Controllers | IHS Electronics360 | Nov 20 05:45 | |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-networking.itbusinessnet.com | Cloudpaging Leader Numecent Announces $15.5M Series-B Investment | Nov 20 05:45 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @MUSTart Open #Community #Art #Projects Award | Nov 20 05:50 |
| TweetTuxMachines | https://t.co/Pextu6fEep (paper.li) | Nov 20 05:50 |
| TweetTuxMachines | @craftscounciluk @ace_national @tate | Nov 20 05:50 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-paper.li | Open Community Art Projects Award #OpenArt #FreeArt #Art4good | Nov 20 05:50 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Arduino Meets Linux: Arduino introduces its 3rd | Nov 20 05:50 |
| TweetTuxMachines | generation platform https://t.co/aVdLcXHKqc | Nov 20 05:50 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-electronics360.globalspec.com | Arduino Meets Linux: Arduino introduces its 3rd generation platform | IHS Electronics360 | Nov 20 05:50 | |
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| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines More Red Hat News https://t.co/XlyWq5jGKO | Nov 20 06:52 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | More Red Hat News | Tux Machines | Nov 20 06:52 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Leftovers: Gaming https://t.co/qh5A54jU1C | Nov 20 06:53 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Leftovers: Gaming | Tux Machines | Nov 20 06:53 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines today's howtos https://t.co/6VcD18WPFk | Nov 20 06:54 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | today's howtos | Tux Machines | Nov 20 06:54 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Leftovers: Kernel https://t.co/wSqzJWpCbS | Nov 20 07:15 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Leftovers: Kernel | Tux Machines | Nov 20 07:15 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Leftovers: Software https://t.co/aNEteVLAs4 | Nov 20 07:15 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Leftovers: Software | Tux Machines | Nov 20 07:15 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Links 20/11/2015: DockerCon EU, Red Hat | Nov 20 07:16 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Enterprise Linux 7.2 https://t.co/fbkhRMLiJu | Nov 20 07:16 |
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| *TweetTuxMachines @schestowitz retweeted @tuxmachines: 'Links 20/11/2015: DockerCon EU, Red Hat Enterprise Linux...' | Nov 20 07:16 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Links 20/11/2015: DockerCon EU, Red Hat Enterprise Linux 7.2 | Techrights | Nov 20 07:16 | |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/Sheikh_al_Touar/status/667678874604539904 | Nov 20 07:29 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@Sheikh_al_Touar: Based on my own experience & on feedback received, your work is appreciated & valued, this isn't a rumor but a fact! https://t.co/lmsuY0zIM6 | Nov 20 07:29 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz: Nice to see people appreciating sacrifice https://t.co/EjhRZjlKv2 htt... https://t.co/BfcuHn2h3k | Nov 20 07:29 | |
| *TweetTuxMachines @The_Code_Shirts retweeted @tuxmachines: 'Links 20/11/2015: DockerCon EU, Red Hat Enterprise Linux...' | Nov 20 07:43 | |
| *TweetTuxMachines @softpedialinux favourited 'Snappy Ubuntu Core 16.04 Images to Drop the...' | Nov 20 07:43 | |
| *TweetTuxMachines @softpedialinux favourited 'Latest Ubuntu SDK Release Drops All Qt Dependencies,...' | Nov 20 07:43 | |
| *TweetTuxMachines @softpedialinux favourited 'Pitivi Open-Source Video Editor Gets New Beta Release,...' | Nov 20 08:22 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines More From DockerCon https://t.co/vmeQVM6dZr | Nov 20 08:22 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | More From DockerCon | Tux Machines | Nov 20 08:22 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines today's leftovers https://t.co/XPFPK2SNgW | Nov 20 08:22 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | today's leftovers | Tux Machines | Nov 20 08:23 | |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/sapo2025/status/667711062880477185 | Nov 20 09:47 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@sapo2025: @alvfig @eliaspraciano @coisasdogeek @hgfernan @Mackellsud @Darkwings1Mr @schestowitz @brigserman @ro7_so67 consciência negra?dia de Índio! | Nov 20 09:47 | |
| schestowitz | http://ipkitten.blogspot.co.uk/ | Nov 20 09:51 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-ipkitten.blogspot.co.uk | The IPKat | Nov 20 09:51 | |
| schestowitz | "Around the weblogs 2. Mark Anderson's ever-useful IP Draughts turns its attention to common pitfalls in IP licensing: they are (i) wrong type of transaction, (ii) mismatch of expectations, (iii) wrong mindset for negotiating deal and (iv) being locked into a long-term, loveless relationship. If you want to list any further pitfalls, do post them on Mark's blog. Aistemos asks whether the terms "disruptive innovation" and "disruptive | Nov 20 09:51 |
| schestowitz | technology" are a help or a hindrance to current innovation and investment analyses, and also takes a look at the distribution and ownership of aquaculture patents in today's herding catfish post. Latest European Patent Office-related blogposts: FOSS Patents, here; Techrights, here. The EPO Blog itself reports on a successful start for PCT Direct." | Nov 20 09:51 |
| schestowitz | " Techrights here, here and here; to the contrary effect, see WIPR here and IAM here" | Nov 20 09:51 |
| schestowitz | http://ipkitten.blogspot.co.uk/2015/11/labouring-point-epo-dispute-culture.html | Nov 20 09:51 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-ipkitten.blogspot.co.uk | The IPKat: Labouring the point? EPO dispute culture festers; the contagion spreads | Nov 20 09:51 | |
| schestowitz | " This moggy is not the first blogger to pass comment on the problem. Many readers have already spotted "The International Labour Organisation Highlights Problems of Broader Dimensions at EPO", posted on Roy Schestowitz's Techrights blog, which summarises matters succinctly:" | Nov 20 09:51 |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Improving accessibility for 8 open source | Nov 20 09:52 |
| TweetTuxMachines | projects https://t.co/toj7Jbis7i | Nov 20 09:52 |
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| schestowitz | http://ipkitten.blogspot.co.uk/2015/11/labouring-point-epo-dispute-culture.html | Nov 20 09:52 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Improving accessibility for 8 open source projects | Tux Machines | Nov 20 09:52 | |
| schestowitz | " Worth reading http://techrights.org/2015/11/04/epo-iu-secret-matters/ for background to the EPO investigation procedure. Usually, that member of the parish's comments are a bit OTT for my tastes but this time the last contribution seems to explain clearly the power grab by the President which has basically given himself the right to override everybody else's 'rights' and which is one cause of the number of ILO appeals since there is no | Nov 20 09:52 |
| schestowitz | other way to seek even the slightest hope of justice." | Nov 20 09:52 |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Linux monitoring tools to keep your hardware | Nov 20 09:52 |
| TweetTuxMachines | cool https://t.co/P5cQt9sMYm | Nov 20 09:52 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | The EPO’s Investigative Unit Exposed: Part I | Techrights | Nov 20 09:52 | |
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| schestowitz | Now there's a follow-on article ... | Nov 20 09:52 |
| schestowitz | The EPO’s Investigative Unit Exposed: Part II | Nov 20 09:52 |
| schestowitz | " | Nov 20 09:52 |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Unity 8 for Ubuntu Desktop Explained - What You | Nov 20 09:52 |
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| schestowitz | Part III has just been published. | Nov 20 09:52 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Unity 8 for Ubuntu Desktop Explained - What You Need to Know | Tux Machines | Nov 20 09:52 | |
| schestowitz | The EPO’s Investigative Unit Exposed: Part III | Nov 20 09:52 |
| schestowitz | Looks like there is more to follow ... | Nov 20 09:53 |
| schestowitz | " | Nov 20 09:53 |
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| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/laurelrusswurm/status/667721499147501568 | Nov 20 10:14 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@laurelrusswurm: @schestowitz The reason states have always been willing to establish #copyright monopoly is to facilitate censorship. | Nov 20 10:14 | |
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| schestowitz | jgay: ping | Nov 20 10:16 |
| jgay | schestowitz, hello! | Nov 20 10:16 |
| schestowitz | I want to ask you something | Nov 20 10:16 |
| schestowitz | Has the FSF looked into the patent agreement between Red Hat and Microsoft? Piana and Tiller would claim it's GPL compatible, but the wording in the FAQ make it look exclusionary and there's no transparency.. | Nov 20 10:17 |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines How To Fix Time Difference Between Ubuntu And | Nov 20 10:41 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | How To Fix Time Difference Between Ubuntu And Windows | Tux Machines | Nov 20 10:41 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Today in Techrights https://t.co/NpEDFFKQdt | Nov 20 10:42 |
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| schestowitz | jgay: no comment? | Nov 20 10:52 |
| schestowitz | Can you please ask around, for us...? | Nov 20 10:52 |
| jgay | schestowitz, hi, sorry, I had just signed on for the day and got sucked down the rabbit hole of email, etc | Nov 20 10:53 |
| schestowitz | ah, ok, no rush :) | Nov 20 10:53 |
| schestowitz | I thought about mailing RMS about it, but haven't (yet) | Nov 20 10:53 |
| jgay | schestowitz, emailing me and/or licensing@fsf.org will save us all a step anyhow, so pinging me was the right thing to do | Nov 20 10:53 |
| jgay | because most likely RMS's next step would be to forward your email to me and then ask me to look into it :_) | Nov 20 10:54 |
| jgay | :-) | Nov 20 10:54 |
| schestowitz | ok, thanks | Nov 20 10:59 |
| MinceR | and even if it was legally GPL-compatible, it's still against the spirit of the GPL just like the novell deal was | Nov 20 11:00 |
| MinceR | (iirc they say it only applies to their customers) | Nov 20 11:00 |
| schestowitz | Novell's was different | Nov 20 11:01 |
| schestowitz | but we need to actually understand what Red Hat agreed with MS on | Nov 20 11:01 |
| schestowitz | as Microsoft can use this behind closed doors against other companies, for pressure/leverage... | Nov 20 11:02 |
| jgay | schestowitz, I have not looked into this matter yet personally. I'm going to discuss it internally and then I'll let you know if we have an opinion we are ready to share publicly yet about it | Nov 20 11:12 |
| jgay | schestowitz, also, just a heads-up, I think I'll be publishing a couple press releases, probably on Monday and Tuesday of next week ... just in case you need to gas up the old tux machine ahead of time :-) | Nov 20 11:13 |
| schestowitz | ah, good, well, both myself and my wife and subscribed to gnu planet and fsf RSS feeds, so will see it within ~1 hour | Nov 20 11:19 |
| schestowitz | with Red Hat, not an urgent matter, but we need to understand what actually happened. Just before Easter 2007 Novell did release redacted contractual details | Nov 20 11:19 |
| schestowitz | Making it possible to see what they agreed about packages like Wine for instance... | Nov 20 11:20 |
| schestowitz | MinceR: http://arstechnica.co.uk/tech-policy/2015/11/uk-cops-allegedly-snooped-on-journalists-to-hunt-down-police-whistleblower/ | Nov 20 11:20 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-arstechnica.co.uk | UK cops allegedly snooped on journalists to hunt down police whistleblower | Ars Technica UK | Nov 20 11:20 | |
| schestowitz | quite shocking, not surprising though | Nov 20 11:20 |
| schestowitz | the spooks here are truly out of order now | Nov 20 11:20 |
| schestowitz | and they're motivated by our crazy Pry Minister | Nov 20 11:20 |
| schestowitz | so probably not a good idea to immigrate to the UK anymore... | Nov 20 11:21 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Today in Techrights | Tux Machines | Nov 20 11:21 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Today in Techrights https://t.co/JxxLXZYNOK | Nov 20 11:21 |
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| schestowitz | https://joindiaspora.com/posts/6835256 | Nov 20 11:51 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: In an Effort to Counter #EPO Staff Narrative (After ~2,000 of Staff Protest) EPO Management Portrays Staff as Violent http://techrights.org/2015/11/20/misportrayed-epo-staff/ | Nov 20 11:51 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights--> techrights.org | In an Effort to Counter EPO Staff Narrative (After ~2,000 of Staff Protest) EPO Management Portrays Staff as Violent But Provides No Evidence | Techrights | Nov 20 11:51 | |
| schestowitz | https://joindiaspora.com/posts/6835530 | Nov 20 11:51 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: Ed @snowden reminds us that scripts are unsafe, the ad industry is bringing this on themselves by not serving PNG/GIF https://theintercept.com/2015/11/12/edward-snowden-explains-how-to-reclaim-your-privacy/ | Nov 20 11:51 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights--> theintercept.com | Edward Snowden Explains How To Reclaim Your Privacy | Nov 20 11:51 | |
| schestowitz | https://joindiaspora.com/posts/6835739 | Nov 20 11:51 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: CIA Chief: Terrorists Harder to Find, Because of Leaks, Reforms https://soylentnews.org/article.pl?sid=15/11/18/1314225 what utter nonsense... #cia action helps them recruit | Nov 20 11:51 | |
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| schestowitz | I'm getting tired of systemd, my computer is unusable | Nov 20 12:37 |
| schestowitz | I think kde spent too much effort on this crap | Nov 20 12:37 |
| schestowitz | and they went more than a decade back | Nov 20 12:37 |
| schestowitz | in terms of performance, it feels worse than kde on my machines 10 years ago | Nov 20 12:37 |
| schestowitz | and systemd is not fast at all | Nov 20 12:37 |
| schestowitz | it take longer than before to boot | Nov 20 12:37 |
| schestowitz | and it loads things in improper order | Nov 20 12:37 |
| schestowitz | and sometimes won't shut down | Nov 20 12:38 |
| schestowitz | it's a clusterf*ck | Nov 20 12:38 |
| schestowitz | the whole of gnu/linux desktop thing seems to have been derailed or taken back 15 years by this rubbush | Nov 20 12:38 |
| schestowitz | now I need to find some old distro, maybe LTS, which predates this mess | Nov 20 12:39 |
| schestowitz | Rianne uses 12.04 LTS | Nov 20 12:39 |
| schestowitz | maybe I can move to it, but supported for only 1.5 years more... | Nov 20 12:39 |
| MinceR | oiaohm will explain how there's no problem with your computer :> | Nov 20 12:42 |
| MinceR | other things have harmed the gnu/linux desktop as well | Nov 20 12:42 |
| MinceR | gnome2, gnome3, kde4, pulseaudio, networkmanager, dbus, ... | Nov 20 12:43 |
| schestowitz | are things this bad in other DEs? | Nov 20 13:24 |
| schestowitz | Have you used some other DE with systemd? | Nov 20 13:24 |
| schestowitz | (yet?) | Nov 20 13:24 |
| schestowitz | I haven't (yet) | Nov 20 13:24 |
| schestowitz | want to see how fast it really boots | Nov 20 13:25 |
| schestowitz | as that was the main promise of the so-called (just an) 'init' system... | Nov 20 13:25 |
| schestowitz | with systemd I need to reboot a lot more | Nov 20 13:25 |
| schestowitz | but maybe it's also the fault of kde in kf5 | Nov 20 13:25 |
| schestowitz | applications start before even plasma is loaded | Nov 20 13:26 |
| schestowitz | so they show up in a black screen | Nov 20 13:26 |
| schestowitz | it's horrid | Nov 20 13:26 |
| schestowitz | and not manageable | Nov 20 13:26 |
| schestowitz | I also need to kill everything akonadi each time I start kde | Nov 20 13:26 |
| schestowitz | in kubuntu 15.04, when booting, it would just say "starting systemd VERSION" | Nov 20 13:26 |
| schestowitz | now they at least replaced that with a splash screen, in 15.10 | Nov 20 13:27 |
| schestowitz | but many of the issues persist | Nov 20 13:27 |
| schestowitz | including major bugs | Nov 20 13:27 |
| schestowitz | and performance issues are virtually unaddressed | Nov 20 13:27 |
| schestowitz | on the bright side, the system has not been thoroughly hosed/bricked, at least not yet | Nov 20 13:28 |
| schestowitz | so no D-R scenarioa | Nov 20 13:28 |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/Wikinaut/status/667767627595517954 | Nov 20 13:30 |
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| MinceR | xfce and lxde are a lot better | Nov 20 13:41 |
| MinceR | i haven't seen much of lxqt yet | Nov 20 13:41 |
| MinceR | i've used xfce with systemd (on fedora 15) | Nov 20 13:41 |
| MinceR | there was some weird behavior | Nov 20 13:41 |
| schestowitz | but Ok overall? | Nov 20 13:42 |
| MinceR | well, it was YUM's unreliability that eventually put me off | Nov 20 13:42 |
| MinceR | i don't know how much of my troubles were due to systemd or which of them were | Nov 20 13:43 |
| MinceR | still, that was the only time i remember xscreensaver crashing | Nov 20 13:43 |
| MinceR | and i got a gnome-like screen locker on a gnome wallpaper (neither of which i asked for) cover for it when it did | Nov 20 13:43 |
| schestowitz | http://ipkitten.blogspot.co.uk/2015/11/read-it-for-yourself-enlarged-board.html | Nov 20 13:48 |
| schestowitz | https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0K0oYcGD9V0&feature=youtu.be&t=80 | Nov 20 13:48 |
| schestowitz | LOL | Nov 20 13:48 |
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| schestowitz | seems like quote a few people from munich stalk me | Nov 20 13:52 |
| Guest11000 | how can I send an email to Roy? | Nov 20 13:52 |
| schestowitz | "Munich" named by academia.edu | Nov 20 13:52 |
| schestowitz | many times recrntly | Nov 20 13:52 |
| schestowitz | Guest11000: roy@schestowitz dot com | Nov 20 13:53 |
| schestowitz | if it's sensitive, consider encrypting or using anonymity | Nov 20 13:53 |
| schestowitz | PGP key in http://schestowitz.com/PGP | Nov 20 13:53 |
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| schestowitz | if not sensitive, plain text might be OK | Nov 20 13:54 |
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| oiaohm | MinceR: I remember the mode systemd is using https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Release_early,_release_often | Nov 20 22:59 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-en.wikipedia.org | Release early, release often - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia | Nov 20 22:59 | |
| MinceR | oiaohm: i can't find the part where it says "and force it on everyone you can before it's anywhere near maturity" | Nov 20 23:00 |
| MinceR | i also can't find the part where it says "code before you think, and then don't bother thinking" | Nov 20 23:00 |
| oiaohm | MinceR: RERO mode does not include wait until the code is mature before using. | Nov 20 23:02 |
| oiaohm | mode/model | Nov 20 23:02 |
| MinceR | oiaohm: can you name another product developed in the RERO model that was nearly as aggressively forced on users as cancerd? | Nov 20 23:03 |
| oiaohm | MinceR: to be correct I can its early gcc with its incompadiblies | Nov 20 23:03 |
| MinceR | oh, so you can't have two or more compilers installed or running at the same time on a system? | Nov 20 23:05 |
| MinceR | oh wait, you can! | Nov 20 23:05 |
| MinceR | so let's try this again... | Nov 20 23:05 |
| MinceR | oiaohm: can you name another product developed in the RERO model that was nearly as aggressively forced on users as cancerd? | Nov 20 23:05 |
| oiaohm | Early in gcc history it overwrite items other compliers used. | Nov 20 23:05 |
| MinceR | when was this, exactly? | Nov 20 23:06 |
| oiaohm | cc for example. | Nov 20 23:06 |
| oiaohm | Early gcc does not have the before it name. | Nov 20 23:06 |
| oiaohm | Basically as gcc, glibc, binutils matured they got better behaving. | Nov 20 23:07 |
| MinceR | and you can't run install it in a different place and refer to it explicitly or change your PATH? | Nov 20 23:07 |
| oiaohm | Early gcc the autotools path change was broken. | Nov 20 23:07 |
| MinceR | which OSes were subverted from outside to force that particular early gcc on all of their users? | Nov 20 23:07 |
| oiaohm | Back in the time gcc was nastyly broken people said that solaris and other unixs were not usable until you installed gnu/gcc parts. | Nov 20 23:08 |
| oiaohm | So yes OSes were subverted | Nov 20 23:09 |
| oiaohm | What is happened with systemd is not exactly the first time this has happened. | Nov 20 23:09 |
| oiaohm | The question is will systemd mature. | Nov 20 23:09 |
| MinceR | which of those shipped gcc by default? | Nov 20 23:09 |
| MinceR | also, was gcc broken or was slowlaris broken? | Nov 20 23:09 |
| oiaohm | To be correct both gcc and slowaris was broken. | Nov 20 23:14 |
| oiaohm | gcc was breaking the default compliers on Unixs when it installed. | Nov 20 23:14 |
| oiaohm | So that was gcc being broken. | Nov 20 23:14 |
| oiaohm | Also the issue is all the default Unix compliers had different levels of standard conformance | Nov 20 23:14 |
| oiaohm | So from 2001 you find a Linux source compadiblity on all Unix systems that include gcc complier. | Nov 20 23:15 |
| oiaohm | All the differnet Unix complier linkers had different ways for formating libraries as well Mincer. Today you find them formating like gnu binutils. | Nov 20 23:16 |
| oiaohm | So if systemd follows the gcc model we will end up with competitors taking on some if not all features from the application side of systemd. | Nov 20 23:17 |
| MinceR | yeah, so everyone copies all the braindeadness of systemd | Nov 20 23:18 |
| MinceR | systemd wins, unix dies | Nov 20 23:18 |
| MinceR | once everybody believes they want all of these much-hyped misfeatures | Nov 20 23:19 |
| oiaohm | Remember all the c compliers on Unix now have gcc emulation modes that copy gcc miss features. | Nov 20 23:19 |
| MinceR | and all of them in pid1, or even in the kernel, if possible | Nov 20 23:19 |
| MinceR | remember that all the c compilers on unix now can be installed side by side | Nov 20 23:20 |
| oiaohm | Only years latter MinceR | Nov 20 23:20 |
| oiaohm | So we are too soon to know if systemd will properly mature or not. | Nov 20 23:20 |
| MinceR | we are, if we have no knowledge of software engineering | Nov 20 23:20 |
| MinceR | but luckily, i happen to have some | Nov 20 23:20 |
| oiaohm | RERO has been some of systemd biggerst problem. | Nov 20 23:21 |
| oiaohm | http://0pointer.net/blog/introducing-sd-event.html this making sd-event is that systemd has had to wake up kdbus is not coming any time soon. | Nov 20 23:22 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-0pointer.net | Introducing sd-event | Nov 20 23:22 | |
| MinceR | no, RERO doesn't even touch on systemd's biggest problems | Nov 20 23:22 |
| oiaohm | So work around to get program out door under REPO has to be fixed up. | Nov 20 23:22 |
| oiaohm | REPO is horible in that it allowed doing code hacks until parts are implemented. | Nov 20 23:22 |
| MinceR | it would have helped to not force kdbus in the first place | Nov 20 23:22 |
| oiaohm | So you can get program out the door to test it. | Nov 20 23:23 |
| MinceR | when everybody with a bit of sense said it was a stupid idea | Nov 20 23:23 |
| oiaohm | Not exactly kdbus idea does make some techicincal sense. But its not going to be simple to implement. | Nov 20 23:23 |
| MinceR | but yeah, let's wait and see if adding together all the antitheses of good design will magically result in something worthwhile | Nov 20 23:23 |
| MinceR | no, it does not | Nov 20 23:23 |
| oiaohm | REPO does not have focus on design. | Nov 20 23:24 |
| MinceR | the overhead they were whining about did not come from context switches | Nov 20 23:24 |
| MinceR | demonstrably | Nov 20 23:24 |
| MinceR | RERO does not say "do not design before coding" | Nov 20 23:24 |
| oiaohm | REPO does not say design before coding either. | Nov 20 23:24 |
| MinceR | so quit blaming RERO for it | Nov 20 23:25 |
| oiaohm | REPO model allows hacked up next to proper design. | Nov 20 23:25 |
| MinceR | yet more cargo-culting | Nov 20 23:25 |
| oiaohm | systemd is a good example of why you don't want to use REPO as your development model alone. | Nov 20 23:25 |
| MinceR | no, it is not | Nov 20 23:25 |
| oiaohm | O yes it is. | Nov 20 23:25 |
| oiaohm | It has done everything wrong that REPO allows. | Nov 20 23:26 |
| MinceR | it's a good example of why you need software engineering skills to do software engineering. | Nov 20 23:26 |
| MinceR | (which apparently redcrap failed to get in any form) | Nov 20 23:26 |
| oiaohm | MinceR: really how many software engineering people normally use the REPO mode alone | Nov 20 23:26 |
| oiaohm | mode/model | Nov 20 23:26 |
| oiaohm | Normally none. | Nov 20 23:26 |
| MinceR | it's not much of a development methodology | Nov 20 23:27 |
| oiaohm | REPO with a solid QA model is ok. | Nov 20 23:28 |
| MinceR | it still doesn't say much about the process | Nov 20 23:28 |
| oiaohm | Try to find systemd QA model. | Nov 20 23:28 |
| MinceR | their QA model is the "lalalalalala i can't hear you" model | Nov 20 23:29 |
| MinceR | also known as "CLOSED WONTFIX" | Nov 20 23:29 |
| MinceR | oh, their QA model also includes the "none of us tests for this" principle | Nov 20 23:29 |
| MinceR | but you don't need testing if you're going to ignore all the feedback you get anyway | Nov 20 23:30 |
| oiaohm | MinceR: you are kinda wrong. | Nov 20 23:30 |
| oiaohm | If you had watched the systemd conf videos you would know they are only just talking about creating a QA model for systemd. | Nov 20 23:31 |
| MinceR | actually, i'm demonstrably right. | Nov 20 23:31 |
| MinceR | https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=74589 | Nov 20 23:31 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-bugs.freedesktop.org | Bug 74589 – systemd segfaults if no cgroups are available | Nov 20 23:31 | |
| oiaohm | So currently systemd has no officially QA model. | Nov 20 23:31 |
| oiaohm | So developers can do what ever they feel like. | Nov 20 23:32 |
| MinceR | yes, and i also described what "whatever they feel like" is | Nov 20 23:32 |
| oiaohm | Other design models that are not REPO you can get away with QA model being poor. | Nov 20 23:33 |
| oiaohm | The wine project design model is REPO but it has a very complex QA model. | Nov 20 23:34 |
| MinceR | i doubt you can ever get away with the QA model being poor | Nov 20 23:34 |
| MinceR | RERO might actually help you get input | Nov 20 23:34 |
| oiaohm | There is a old saying garbage in garbage out. | Nov 20 23:34 |
| MinceR | there's no release model that fixes poettering living in his own little dream world believing every single idea of his is perfect | Nov 20 23:35 |
| oiaohm | REPO might get input but if you are not producing quality code the output still will be garbage. | Nov 20 23:35 |
| MinceR | except the one that says "never release, ever" | Nov 20 23:35 |
| MinceR | that would have helped systemd | Nov 20 23:35 |
| MinceR | in the sense that there would be no systemd | Nov 20 23:35 |
| oiaohm | To be correct poettering has not believed every idea he has had is correct. | Nov 20 23:36 |
| MinceR | citation needed | Nov 20 23:36 |
| oiaohm | Recent systemd conference video he admitted over kdbus. | Nov 20 23:36 |
| MinceR | ooh | Nov 20 23:36 |
| MinceR | and how long did that take? | Nov 20 23:36 |
| MinceR | i wonder what sort of cluebat they had to resort to make him realize that _after_ trying to force Linus to merge that piece of shit | Nov 20 23:36 |
| MinceR | 053524 < oiaohm> REPO might get input but if you are not producing quality code the output still will be garbage. | Nov 20 23:37 |
| MinceR | and without thinking ever, your output will be garbage | Nov 20 23:37 |
| MinceR | regardless of release model | Nov 20 23:37 |
| oiaohm | Take wine project mode where everything faces off against test cases and static checking. How bad the garbage can be is limited. | Nov 20 23:38 |
| oiaohm | The clue bad was fedora kernel maintainer removing kdbus. | Nov 20 23:38 |
| MinceR | also how much of the garbage people will notice when the entire purpose of the software is to provide a compatibility layer that emulates garbage | Nov 20 23:39 |
| oiaohm | So it was not even acceptable to tthe maintainer of the fedora kernel. | Nov 20 23:39 |
| MinceR | and yet it was somehow acceptable to gregkh | Nov 20 23:39 |
| oiaohm | To be correct gregkh picked it up and started clean it up. | Nov 20 23:39 |
| oiaohm | And gregkh keep on putting back the merge attempts. | Nov 20 23:40 |
| oiaohm | So it was not getting past gregkh. | Nov 20 23:40 |
| oiaohm | Linus also did the correct thing of asking for proper benchmarks of performance gains before merging could be considered. | Nov 20 23:41 |
| MinceR | he shouldn't have needed to ask for that | Nov 20 23:41 |
| oiaohm | So between Linux and gregkh kdbus end up in the doomed area. | Nov 20 23:41 |
| MinceR | it should be clear that kdbus is entirely ill-conceived | Nov 20 23:41 |
| oiaohm | Remember raw repo model without a QA model no test cases being made. | Nov 20 23:41 |
| MinceR | it only looks like a good idea to people like winblows nt and macos developers | Nov 20 23:42 |
| oiaohm | kdbus is not completley ill-conceived. | Nov 20 23:42 |
| MinceR | the "throw it into the kernel" guys and the "hey, i have an idea, let's weld to kernels together for no reason" guys | Nov 20 23:42 |
| MinceR | s/to k/two k/ | Nov 20 23:42 |
| oiaohm | Messaging that depends on files or networking does have it issues. | Nov 20 23:42 |
| MinceR | so whenever something has issues, we just move it into the kernel? | Nov 20 23:42 |
| MinceR | ingenious! | Nov 20 23:42 |
| MinceR | let's get rid of userspace entirely, that way we can enjoy bugfree software! | Nov 20 23:43 |
| oiaohm | Big thing about moving into dbus into kernel was to reduce some of those issues. | Nov 20 23:43 |
| MinceR | what could possibly go wrong? | Nov 20 23:43 |
| oiaohm | but from microkernel it is right. | Nov 20 23:43 |
| MinceR | i bet you could reduce more of those issues by moving dbus into the landfill instead. | Nov 20 23:43 |
| oiaohm | But the design has to be right. | Nov 20 23:43 |
| MinceR | along with the people who came up with it. | Nov 20 23:43 |
| oiaohm | You are correct lot of dbus need to be redesigned. | Nov 20 23:44 |
| MinceR | show me one functioning, mature, multiserver microkernel system. | Nov 20 23:44 |
| oiaohm | Like dbus has not time stamped messages. | Nov 20 23:44 |
| MinceR | dbus doesn't even handle being restarted properly | Nov 20 23:44 |
| oiaohm | qnx other than blackberry ruining it. | Nov 20 23:44 |
| MinceR | qnx always sucked, afaict | Nov 20 23:44 |
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| MinceR | their demo disk couldn't even handle a standard mouse. | Nov 20 23:45 |
| MinceR | also, afaik nobody uses qnx except blackberry | Nov 20 23:45 |
| oiaohm | I have used qnx for embedded. | Nov 20 23:45 |
| oiaohm | when it was provided as a independant product. | Nov 20 23:45 |
| oiaohm | dbus no timestamps on messages, being oversized, and not able to restart safely. | Nov 20 23:47 |
| MinceR | at any rate, microkernel is exactly the opposite of the "throw it into the kernel" "thinking" kdbus exemplifies. | Nov 20 23:47 |
| oiaohm | Most good microkernel have some for of API for setting up clean messaging servers so messaging servers can restart safely. | Nov 20 23:47 |
| MinceR | and dbus has neither of those | Nov 20 23:47 |
| oiaohm | Not the clean api has to be kernel so processes can stop store messages while the messaging server restarts. | Nov 20 23:48 |
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| MinceR | yet they didn't want to do that | Nov 20 23:48 |
| MinceR | they wanted to do the whole thing in the kernel | Nov 20 23:48 |
| oiaohm | So there is a need for a kdbus of some form. | Nov 20 23:48 |
| MinceR | no, that's not "a kdbus" | Nov 20 23:48 |
| oiaohm | Just not the form systemd developers pushed. | Nov 20 23:49 |
| oiaohm | The current redesigns of kdbus are about slimiing it down a lot. Emulating old dbus functionality of course pushed to userspace. | Nov 20 23:50 |
| MinceR | and they'll still call it kdbus because they can't accept being proven wrong | Nov 20 23:51 |
| oiaohm | Not exactly. | Nov 20 23:52 |
| oiaohm | keeping the same name keeps the log of rejected ideas. | Nov 20 23:52 |
| oiaohm | So when someone suggest one of the rejected ideas you point them to the earier history. | Nov 20 23:53 |
| oiaohm | when they have working edition then rename it. Its just the wrong time to rename it now. | Nov 20 23:53 |
| MinceR | then again, i can't be sure if it will be "slimmed down" to only providing what's absolutely necessary to be provided by the kernel | Nov 20 23:53 |
| MinceR | these people have a history of incompetence, pointless stubbornness and toxicity, after all | Nov 20 23:54 |
| oiaohm | Like I am not saying we can take our eyes off them. But at least now they are heading in the right kind of directions. | Nov 20 23:55 |
| oiaohm | http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=KDBUS-Back-To-Design | Nov 20 23:56 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.phoronix.com | KDBUS Is Indeed Going Back To The Drawing Board - Phoronix | Nov 20 23:56 | |
| oiaohm | I particularly like that the new kdbus is attempting to be design so any messaging solution could choose to use it. | Nov 20 23:56 |
| cubexyz | I got over 2,000 commands in /usr/bin on FC1 | Nov 20 23:59 |
| cubexyz | I'm sure there's lots of them I've never used | Nov 20 23:59 |
| cubexyz | and that's old :) | Nov 20 23:59 |
| cubexyz | do a /usr/bin | wc and see what the number is | Nov 21 00:00 |
| cubexyz | the idea of a slimmed down distro is appealing | Nov 21 00:00 |
| cubexyz | er, ls /usr/bin | wc | Nov 21 00:01 |
| cubexyz | wc | Nov 21 00:01 |
| oiaohm | Ok your system slimer than mine. Mine is over 5000 | Nov 21 00:02 |
| oiaohm | I am 100 percent sure I have not used all of them. | Nov 21 00:02 |
| cubexyz | anyways as a comparison Unix v7 had 155 commands | Nov 21 00:02 |
| oiaohm | I know windows out box is less than 1000 | Nov 21 00:04 |
| cubexyz | I'm sure the base install would be less than 5,000 | Nov 21 00:04 |
| cubexyz | you've probably installed a lot of packages | Nov 21 00:04 |
| cubexyz | it's not a very good organizational method... 5K of commands in one directory | Nov 21 00:07 |
| oiaohm | I have a huge number different things installed. | Nov 21 00:09 |
| oiaohm | latex support takes over 100 alone. | Nov 21 00:09 |
| cubexyz | /usr/latex/bin ? :) | Nov 21 00:09 |
| oiaohm | that 100 in the /usr/bin directory. | Nov 21 00:10 |
| cubexyz | there's /usr/games/bin so why not? | Nov 21 00:10 |
| oiaohm | 100+ in the /usr/bin directory. | Nov 21 00:10 |
| cubexyz | and at least the distro maintainers could have had /opt/kde/bin | Nov 21 00:11 |
| cubexyz | /opt/trinity/bin was used | Nov 21 00:12 |
| cubexyz | oiaohm, probably part of that is windows users don't usually use the command line too much | Nov 21 00:13 |
| cubexyz | hence less commands, more GUI applications | Nov 21 00:13 |
| cubexyz | I just think Linux has outgrow the policy of dumping everything in /usr/bin | Nov 21 00:14 |
| MinceR | our filesystems can handle it | Nov 21 00:14 |
| MinceR | also, GoboLinux lets you dump symlinks there instead :> | Nov 21 00:14 |
| MinceR | i wonder what AppFS does, though | Nov 21 00:15 |
| cubexyz | yes, I have some symlinks in /usr/bin | Nov 21 00:15 |
| cubexyz | assaultcube got installed to /usr/bin which is definitely silly | Nov 21 00:17 |
| cubexyz | I mean command reuse really got thrown out the window didn't it? | Nov 21 00:18 |
| MinceR | not all systems have /usr/games/bin | Nov 21 00:19 |
| cubexyz | there used to be a thing in KDE called konstruct | Nov 21 00:29 |
| cubexyz | it would install to /home/user/kde-version | Nov 21 00:29 |
| cubexyz | anyway it's malleable | Nov 21 00:30 |
| cubexyz | kind of like /usr/local/bin | Nov 21 00:30 |
| cubexyz | there was a lot of stuff just in there | Nov 21 00:35 |
| cubexyz | /home/user/kde3.4.2/bin in this case | Nov 21 00:35 |
| cubexyz | 588 commands! | Nov 21 00:35 |
| cubexyz | today's BSOD: | Nov 21 00:49 |
| cubexyz | http://www.maxhost.org/other/giant-outdoor-bsod.jpg | Nov 21 00:50 |
| cubexyz | just in case you thought BSODs were old news, that one was on a Surface Pro 2 | Nov 21 00:51 |
| cubexyz | http://www.maxhost.org/other/jumbotron-banker-bsod.jpg | Nov 21 00:54 |
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| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Nvidia 358.16 Linux Video Driver Is a | Nov 21 04:52 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Short-Lived One, but Supports | Nov 21 04:52 |
| TweetTuxMachines | https://t.co/5vV90nMVBx (www.x.org) Server 1.18 | Nov 21 04:52 |
| TweetTuxMachines | https://t.co/6dq7EGYC1G (www.tuxmachines.org) | Nov 21 04:52 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.x.org | X.Org | Nov 21 04:52 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines More Android Leftovers https://t.co/cbW8OeKJcx | Nov 21 04:52 |
| TweetTuxMachines | (www.tuxmachines.org) | Nov 21 04:52 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Nvidia 358.16 Linux Video Driver Is a Short-Lived One, but Supports X.Org Server 1.18 | Tux Machines | Nov 21 04:52 | |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | More Android Leftovers | Tux Machines | Nov 21 04:52 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Red Hat and Fedora https://t.co/XswMKnvPeI | Nov 21 04:52 |
| TweetTuxMachines | (www.tuxmachines.org) | Nov 21 04:52 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Red Hat and Fedora | Tux Machines | Nov 21 04:52 | |
| *TweetTuxMachines @softpedialinux favourited 'Nvidia 358.16 Linux Video Driver Is a Short-Lived...' | Nov 21 04:52 | |
| schestowitz | https://joindiaspora.com/posts/6837428 | Nov 21 05:10 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: #Syria secretly sentenced free software developer #BasselKhartabil to death http://boingboing.net/2015/11/20/assad-government-secretly-sent.html major loss to #freesw | Nov 21 05:11 | |
| schestowitz | " | Nov 21 05:11 |
| schestowitz | For all of his work, he was awarded by the Foreign Policy website the 19th position on its prestigious Global Thinkers ranking of 2012 | Nov 21 05:11 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights--> boingboing.net | Syria secretly sentenced free software developer Bassel Khartabil to death / Boing Boing | Nov 21 05:11 | |
| schestowitz | https://archive.is/iD43G#selection-1135.306-1147.91 (creativecommons.org) | Nov 21 05:11 |
| schestowitz | The FP Group’s standard for excellence has in turn made it the place where world leaders turn to express their own views and to engage one another. From Bill and Melinda Gates to Israeli President Shimon Peres, from Condoleezza Rice to Senators John Kerry and John McCain, from Turkish President Abdullah Gul to Chinese dissident Ai Weiwei, the FP contributor list reads much like the who’s who that is our audience. To choose just a few | Nov 21 05:11 |
| schestowitz | examples of their extraordinary engagement with FP, consider the following recent illustrations involving top U.S. government officials. | Nov 21 05:11 |
| schestowitz | https://archive.is/4t1LX#selection-677.0-689.31 (Foreign Policy Website) | Nov 21 05:11 |
| schestowitz | Well, everybody stateside really dropped him in the shit - or did it escape their notice that their government started a civil war in Syria? | Nov 21 05:11 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-archive.is | Read the story of Bassel Khartabil, Syrian prisoner who lives and risks dying for a free Internet - Creative Commons | Nov 21 05:11 | |
| schestowitz | Bassel Khartabil had been setup and sacrificed. | Nov 21 05:11 |
| schestowitz | MIT have also recently given him a job. | Nov 21 05:11 |
| schestowitz | I am proud to announce that we have offered Bassel Khartabil a position as a research scientist in the Center for Civic Media at the MIT Media Lab, where he will work directly with its director, principal research scientist Ethan Zuckerman. | Nov 21 05:11 |
| schestowitz | https://archive.is/yqC0X#selection-133.0-141.115 | Nov 21 05:11 |
| schestowitz | <sarcasm> Oh, that was a good idea MIT. That will really improve Khartabil’s status with the Syrian govt. and remove any doubt that he might have been working with/for the enemy. </sarcasm> | Nov 21 05:11 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-archive.is | Chosen by Leaders | Foreign Policy Group | Nov 21 05:11 | |
| schestowitz | Shrewth! These people say they “care”, but they don’t take care or act in a manner which shows the slightest concern what the impact of the actions will be. They don’t care about him - they care about a media image. | Nov 21 05:11 |
| schestowitz | " | Nov 21 05:11 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-archive.is | MIT Media Lab reaches out to jailed Syrian activist with research position in Center for Civic Media - Joi Ito's Web | Nov 21 05:11 | |
| schestowitz | I don't think it's fair to blame this on those who did genuinely try to help him | Nov 21 05:11 |
| -->XRevan86 (~XRevan86@meowr.ru) has joined #techrights | Nov 21 05:32 | |
| *TweetTuxMachines @softpedialinux favourited 'Cinnamon 2.8.5 Is Out for Linux Mint 17.3...' | Nov 21 05:37 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Road Redemption Combat Racer Fixed Up For Linux | Nov 21 05:37 |
| TweetTuxMachines | & SteamOS, Performs Well Now | Nov 21 05:37 |
| TweetTuxMachines | https://t.co/XmhST5zalU (www.gamingonlinux.com) | Nov 21 05:37 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.gamingonlinux.com | Road Redemption Combat Racer Fixed Up For Linux & SteamOS, Performs Well Now | GamingOnLinux | Nov 21 05:37 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Vendetta - Curse Of Raven's Cry Released For | Nov 21 05:37 |
| TweetTuxMachines | SteamOS & Linux https://t.co/SgktWrIShA | Nov 21 05:37 |
| TweetTuxMachines | (www.gamingonlinux.com) | Nov 21 05:37 |
| TweetTuxMachines | ........................................ http://ur1.ca/oavqv | Nov 21 05:37 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.gamingonlinux.com | Vendetta - Curse Of Raven's Cry Released For SteamOS & Linux | GamingOnLinux | Nov 21 05:37 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Wine Announcement https://t.co/BVLSmPLB8N | Nov 21 05:40 |
| TweetTuxMachines | (www.winehq.org) | Nov 21 05:40 |
| TweetTuxMachines | ........................................ http://ur1.ca/oavr2 | Nov 21 05:40 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.winehq.org | WineHQ - Wine Announcement - The Wine development release 1.8-rc1 is now available. | Nov 21 05:40 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines This week’s traffic in #tuxmachines has again | Nov 21 05:40 |
| TweetTuxMachines | smashed the record. We’re trying to be fastest | Nov 21 05:40 |
| TweetTuxMachines | and also most complete syndication for #linux | Nov 21 05:40 |
| TweetTuxMachines | ........................................ http://ur1.ca/oavr3 | Nov 21 05:40 |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Mini-PC doubles as open-spec, octa-core hacker | Nov 21 05:40 |
| TweetTuxMachines | SBC https://t.co/dsNPWyz7Ht (linuxgizmos.com) | Nov 21 05:40 |
| TweetTuxMachines | ........................................ http://ur1.ca/oavr4 | Nov 21 05:40 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-linuxgizmos.com | Mini-PC doubles as open-spec, octa-core hacker SBC · LinuxGizmos.com | Nov 21 05:40 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines How to customize your Linux desktop: KDE | Nov 21 05:52 |
| TweetTuxMachines | https://t.co/3d4J3HMXOH (www.zdnet.com) | Nov 21 05:52 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.zdnet.com | How to customize your Linux desktop: KDE | ZDNet | Nov 21 05:52 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Lenovo's Software Defined Infrastructure | Nov 21 05:52 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Strategy Comes Together With Red Hat and | Nov 21 05:52 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Nutanix https://t.co/yXs8uUt7iM | Nov 21 05:52 |
| TweetTuxMachines | (www.forbes.com) | Nov 21 05:52 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.forbes.com | Forbes Welcome | Nov 21 05:52 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Review: Ubuntu GNOME 15.10 is what vanilla | Nov 21 05:52 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Ubuntu should be https://t.co/8KjIEJu7yr | Nov 21 05:52 |
| TweetTuxMachines | (www.networkworld.com) | Nov 21 05:52 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.networkworld.com | Review: Ubuntu GNOME 15.10 is what vanilla Ubuntu should be | Nov 21 05:52 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Move over, Linux -- JavaScript-powered NodeOS | Nov 21 05:58 |
| TweetTuxMachines | 1.0 approaches https://t.co/Bvjcg7xmMM | Nov 21 05:58 |
| TweetTuxMachines | (www.infoworld.com) | Nov 21 05:58 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.infoworld.com | Move over, Linux -- JavaScript-powered NodeOS 1.0 approaches | InfoWorld | Nov 21 05:58 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines KDE Ships Beta of KDE Applications 15.12 | Nov 21 05:58 |
| TweetTuxMachines | https://t.co/mgGFBqRb9K (www.kde.org) | Nov 21 05:58 |
| TweetTuxMachines | ........................................ http://ur1.ca/oavsr | Nov 21 05:58 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.kde.org | KDE - KDE Ships Beta of KDE Applications 15.12 | Nov 21 05:58 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines NVIDIA 358.16 Linux Driver Brings Fixes | Nov 21 05:58 |
| TweetTuxMachines | https://t.co/F1BXIryJYv (www.phoronix.com) | Nov 21 05:58 |
| TweetTuxMachines | ........................................ http://ur1.ca/oavst | Nov 21 05:58 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.phoronix.com | NVIDIA 358.16 Linux Driver Brings Fixes - Phoronix | Nov 21 05:58 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines The Best Android Smartwatch You Can Buy Today | Nov 21 05:59 |
| TweetTuxMachines | https://t.co/8l3sBDLVVl (www.droid-life.com) | Nov 21 05:59 |
| TweetTuxMachines | ........................................ http://ur1.ca/oavt0 | Nov 21 05:59 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.droid-life.com | Best Android Smartwatch You Can Buy Today | Nov 21 05:59 | |
| *TweetTuxMachines @DianManissss favourited 'The Best Android Smartwatch You Can Buy Today...' | Nov 21 05:59 | |
| *TweetTuxMachines @AreaVera favourited 'The Best Android Smartwatch You Can Buy Today...' | Nov 21 06:00 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Smart light switch includes HD camera, IFTT | Nov 21 06:00 |
| TweetTuxMachines | support https://t.co/c0wmmHDpqo | Nov 21 06:00 |
| TweetTuxMachines | (linuxgizmos.com) "Linux-based home automation | Nov 21 06:00 |
| TweetTuxMachines | devices" | Nov 21 06:01 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-linuxgizmos.com | Smart light switch includes HD camera, IFTT support · LinuxGizmos.com | Nov 21 06:01 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | ........................................ http://ur1.ca/oavtd | Nov 21 06:01 |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Libpng Vulnerabilities Fixed in All Supported | Nov 21 06:03 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Ubuntu OSes https://t.co/rwQlStR9vV | Nov 21 06:03 |
| TweetTuxMachines | (linux.softpedia.com) | Nov 21 06:03 |
| TweetTuxMachines | ........................................ http://ur1.ca/oavto | Nov 21 06:03 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-linux.softpedia.com | Libpng Vulnerabilities Fixed in All Supported Ubuntu OSes | Nov 21 06:03 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines A World Without Linux Would Mean a World | Nov 21 06:03 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Without Our Favorite Movies | Nov 21 06:03 |
| TweetTuxMachines | https://t.co/1mMSMzPF3P (news.softpedia.com) | Nov 21 06:03 |
| TweetTuxMachines | ........................................ http://ur1.ca/oavtp | Nov 21 06:03 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-news.softpedia.com | A World Without Linux Would Mean a World Without Our Favorite Movies | Nov 21 06:03 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines 7 Best Android Tablets Under $200 | Nov 21 06:03 |
| TweetTuxMachines | https://t.co/sDI32qbdS8 (www.gottabemobile.com) | Nov 21 06:03 |
| TweetTuxMachines | ........................................ http://ur1.ca/oavtr | Nov 21 06:03 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.gottabemobile.com | 7 Best Android Tablets Under $200 | Nov 21 06:03 | |
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| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Cinnamon 2.8.5 Is Out for Linux Mint 17.3 | Nov 21 06:11 |
| TweetTuxMachines | "Rosa", Improves Several Applets | Nov 21 06:11 |
| TweetTuxMachines | https://t.co/9SFwgbMaf5 (linux.softpedia.com) | Nov 21 06:11 |
| TweetTuxMachines | ........................................ http://ur1.ca/oavu8 | Nov 21 06:11 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-linux.softpedia.com | Cinnamon 2.8.5 Is Out for Linux Mint 17.3 "Rosa," Improves Several Applets | Nov 21 06:11 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Nvidia 358.16 Linux Video Driver Is a | Nov 21 06:11 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Short-Lived One, but Supports XOrg Server 1.18 | Nov 21 06:11 |
| TweetTuxMachines | https://t.co/7Jwwx8ZBZk (news.softpedia.com) | Nov 21 06:11 |
| TweetTuxMachines | ........................................ http://ur1.ca/oavu9 | Nov 21 06:11 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-news.softpedia.com | Nvidia 358.16 Linux Video Driver Is a Short-Lived One, but Supports X.Org Server 1.18 | Nov 21 06:11 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Slackware Live Edition https://t.co/xVMCKlHCo3 | Nov 21 06:11 |
| TweetTuxMachines | (alien.slackbook.org) | Nov 21 06:11 |
| TweetTuxMachines | ........................................ http://ur1.ca/oavua | Nov 21 06:11 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-alien.slackbook.org | Alien Pastures » Slackware Live Edition | Nov 21 06:11 | |
| schestowitz | https://joindiaspora.com/posts/6838317 | Nov 21 06:38 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: Canonical's IP Policy Is Vague for a Reason http://news.softpedia.com/news/canonical-s-ip-policy-is-vague-for-a-reason-but-matthew-garrett-says-ubuntu-is-not-free-496496.shtml same with #redhat #microsoft #patent agreement? Not acceptable for "open" | Nov 21 06:38 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights--> news.softpedia.com | Canonical's IP Policy Is Vague for a Reason, but Matthew Garrett Says Ubuntu Is Not Free | Nov 21 06:38 | |
| *TweetTuxMachines @KasiaInc followed @tuxmachines | Nov 21 07:19 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Leftovers: Gaming https://t.co/TcMQaobVY2 | Nov 21 07:20 |
| TweetTuxMachines | (www.tuxmachines.org) | Nov 21 07:20 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Leftovers: Gaming | Tux Machines | Nov 21 07:20 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines today's howtos https://t.co/tmNtRuTiSP | Nov 21 07:20 |
| TweetTuxMachines | (www.tuxmachines.org) | Nov 21 07:20 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | today's howtos | Tux Machines | Nov 21 07:21 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Leftovers: Software https://t.co/Lw40K1UAii | Nov 21 08:29 |
| TweetTuxMachines | (www.tuxmachines.org) | Nov 21 08:29 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Leftovers: Software | Tux Machines | Nov 21 08:29 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines today's leftovers https://t.co/7aWa675CUb | Nov 21 08:29 |
| TweetTuxMachines | (www.tuxmachines.org) | Nov 21 08:29 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | today's leftovers | Tux Machines | Nov 21 08:29 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Security Leftovers https://t.co/LnrWQyW1Ia | Nov 21 08:29 |
| TweetTuxMachines | (www.tuxmachines.org) | Nov 21 08:29 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Security Leftovers | Tux Machines | Nov 21 08:29 | |
| *TweetTuxMachines @softpedialinux favourited 'Libpng Vulnerabilities Fixed in All Supported Ubuntu OSes...' | Nov 21 08:29 | |
| *TweetTuxMachines @softpedialinux favourited 'A World Without Linux Would Mean a World...' | Nov 21 08:29 | |
| *TweetTuxMachines @softpedialinux favourited 'Cinnamon 2.8.5 Is Out for Linux Mint 17.3...' | Nov 21 08:29 | |
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| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/redlocal/status/668030098793234432 | Nov 21 09:16 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@redlocal: The #ElementaryOS Developers Have Decided To Fork #Geary Under A New Name: #Pantheon Mail https://t.co/WNxiRm2o3r… https://t.co/3bGYT0CvqK | Nov 21 09:16 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights--> linuxg.net | The Elementary OS Developers Have Decided To Fork Geary Under A New Name: Pantheon Mail | LinuxG.net | Nov 21 09:16 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz: The #ElementaryOS Developers Have Decided To Fork #Geary Under A New Name: #Pantheon Mail https://t.co/AjNUYVLBOD #freesw | Nov 21 09:16 | |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/FOSSpatents/status/668044461608431616 | Nov 21 09:16 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@FOSSpatents: @schestowitz SUEPO apparently afraid of linking to TechRights. See their latest. I'm sure it's not that they don't appreciate your support. | Nov 21 09:16 | |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/kstallett/status/668053604863975424 | Nov 21 09:17 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@kstallett: @schestowitz @xguntherc Ill probably be getting a shield myself soon considering no real Ubuntu tablet anywhere on the horizon. | Nov 21 09:17 | |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/FOSSpatents/status/668058370813882368 https://twitter.com/FOSSpatents/status/668058709931724800 | Nov 21 09:18 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@FOSSpatents: I'm RT'ing this because there are some interesting observations in it. I don't mean to endorse the bribery theory. https://t.co/rY3gpwCpad | Nov 21 09:18 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz: It Pays (Off) to ‘Bribe’ the Media: Watch How #LesÉchos Covers #EPO Matters and Self-Censors https://t.co/aMYFA9zmtv #patents #europe | Nov 21 09:18 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@FOSSpatents: .@schestowitz I wouldn't attribute to malice on Les Échos' part what can be explained with lack of analysis. EPO situation is very special. | Nov 21 09:18 | |
| schestowitz | Re: The Microsoft Register :) | Nov 21 09:38 |
| schestowitz | > I just checked back in with theReg after a long absence. Seems nothing's | Nov 21 09:38 |
| schestowitz | > changed, same ole, same ole, a load of free adverts for MICROS~1 and | Nov 21 09:38 |
| schestowitz | > whenever there is mention of malware, blame third party apps rather than | Nov 21 09:38 |
| schestowitz | > the real source. Then think up a negative headline if google or Apple | Nov 21 09:38 |
| schestowitz | > are mentioned. One particular article refers to a hacking group hacking | Nov 21 09:38 |
| schestowitz | > "government systems". The article is carefully designed to deflect | Nov 21 09:38 |
| schestowitz | > attention to the root cause of all these hacks, namely the Microsoft | Nov 21 09:38 |
| schestowitz | > Windows operating system. Also, it seems the standard editorial strategy | Nov 21 09:38 |
| schestowitz | > to, what ever the subject, always include a Microsoft angle. for | Nov 21 09:38 |
| schestowitz | > instance "Microsoft makes Raspberry Pi its preferred IoT dev board". In | Nov 21 09:38 |
| schestowitz | > an article about googles cloud, there's a mention Microsoft cloud. | Nov 21 09:38 |
| schestowitz | > | Nov 21 09:38 |
| schestowitz | > It's an example of taking control of 'mindshare' that was mentioned in | Nov 21 09:38 |
| schestowitz | > that comes document. Or if they can't find a reason to mention MICROS~1 | Nov 21 09:38 |
| schestowitz | > say something negative, as in this headline "Google extends search | Nov 21 09:38 |
| schestowitz | > tendrils to cover data in apps". | Nov 21 09:38 |
| schestowitz | > | Nov 21 09:38 |
| schestowitz | > Here's another good example of spinning a fix for a defect in Edge | Nov 21 09:38 |
| schestowitz | > running under Windows into a positive then invoking the lack of such a | Nov 21 09:38 |
| schestowitz | > fix on other browsers as a negative. But then again the article is | Nov 21 09:38 |
| schestowitz | > wrong. The fault isn't in the browser but in the underlying OS. | Nov 21 09:38 |
| schestowitz | > | Nov 21 09:38 |
| schestowitz | > "The update makes the browser the only one with that type of security | Nov 21 09:38 |
| schestowitz | > protection." | Nov 21 09:38 |
| schestowitz | > | Nov 21 09:38 |
| schestowitz | > Haaaa, that's because the other browsers don't need such 'security | Nov 21 09:38 |
| schestowitz | > protection'. At least if they're running not on windows. and besides how | Nov 21 09:38 |
| schestowitz | > will this protect from a malicious signed DLL. The answer is it won't. | Nov 21 09:38 |
| schestowitz | > | Nov 21 09:38 |
| schestowitz | > Microsoft gets Edge on blocking ad injectors | Nov 21 09:38 |
| schestowitz | > <http://www.theregister.co.uk/2015/11/19/ms_edge_ad_injectors_squashed/> | Nov 21 09:38 |
| schestowitz | > | Nov 21 09:38 |
| schestowitz | > http://www.theregister.co.uk/2015/11/18/hacking_group_strontium_dogs_nato_and_government_targets/ | Nov 21 09:39 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.theregister.co.uk | Microsoft gets Edge on blocking ad injectors • The Register | Nov 21 09:39 | |
| schestowitz | > http://www.theregister.co.uk/2015/11/19/redmond_expels_galileo/ | Nov 21 09:39 |
| schestowitz | > Custom virtual machines come to Google's Compute Engine | Nov 21 09:39 |
| schestowitz | > <http://www.theregister.co.uk/2015/11/19/custom_virtual_machines_come_to_googles_compute_engine/> | Nov 21 09:39 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.theregister.co.uk | Hacking group Strontium dogs NATO and government targets • The Register | Nov 21 09:39 | |
| schestowitz | > | Nov 21 09:39 |
| schestowitz | > Mentions of Microsoft == 9 | Nov 21 09:39 |
| schestowitz | > Mentions of Windows = 6 | Nov 21 09:39 |
| schestowitz | Historically, El Reg was MS-hostile. Then Microsoft paid El Reg (ads and more). It led to El Reg being utter crap. | Nov 21 09:39 |
| schestowitz | This past year I couldn't quite say it was the same. A lot of hostile Vista 10 coverage came from El Reg and it's actually appreciated. | Nov 21 09:39 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.theregister.co.uk | Microsoft makes Raspberry Pi its preferred IoT dev board • The Register | Nov 21 09:39 | |
| schestowitz | I saw the Raspi-MS coverage yesterday and I do take note when they do pro-MS crap. Having said all that, I can't accept the view that MS still 'owns' them. They improve compared to previous years and some MS reps they had hired (Mary Jo Foley, Gavin Clarke etc.) were sort of gone this year... not sure why. | Nov 21 09:39 |
| schestowitz | Simon Sharwood and Tim Anderson still bother me a bit. Neil McAllister is a mixed bag. | Nov 21 09:39 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.theregister.co.uk | Custom virtual machines come to Google's Compute Engine • The Register | Nov 21 09:39 | |
| schestowitz | Re: Welcome to the Microsoft/Register spin zone :) | Nov 21 09:39 |
| schestowitz | > "We found additional vulnerabilities regarding Adobe Acrobat, Adobe | Nov 21 09:39 |
| schestowitz | > Reader, and Oracle Java software on the Windows 7 workstations," | Nov 21 09:39 |
| schestowitz | > | Nov 21 09:39 |
| schestowitz | > Notice the fault lies with Adobe and Oracle, not MICROS~1 .. | Nov 21 09:39 |
| schestowitz | > | Nov 21 09:39 |
| schestowitz | > http://www.theregister.co.uk/2015/11/20/homeland_securitys_secret_unpatched_pcs_dbs/ | Nov 21 09:39 |
| schestowitz | Maybe a mix of both. | Nov 21 09:39 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.theregister.co.uk | Who's running dozens of top-secret unpatched databases? The Dept of Homeland Security • The Register | Nov 21 09:39 | |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/FOSSpatents/status/668076794705260544 https://twitter.com/FOSSpatents/status/668076932655902721 | Nov 21 09:55 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@FOSSpatents: .@schestowitz Don't know about journalists but Münchner Merkur reported the EPO tried to get a union lawyer disbarred. | Nov 21 09:55 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@FOSSpatents: @schestowitz If evidence for bribery was presented, I'd tell it like it is. Here, I think Les Échos doesn't understand specific situation. | Nov 21 09:55 | |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/FOSSpatents/status/668077122590781440 https://twitter.com/FOSSpatents/status/668077311670018048 | Nov 21 09:55 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@FOSSpatents: @schestowitz Les Échos compares the EPO situation to that of private sector companies. That's the fundamental flaw there for two reasons. | Nov 21 09:55 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@FOSSpatents: @schestowitz One, Les Échos fails to understand that the EPO should not maximize profit but patent quality. Two, EPO has and abuses immunity | Nov 21 09:55 | |
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| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Your input, please: naming of action icons | Nov 21 12:25 |
| TweetTuxMachines | (tables, vectorpaths, animation, text, …) | Nov 21 12:25 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-frinring.wordpress.com | Your input, please: naming of action icons (tables, vectorpaths, animation, text, …) | Attracted by virtual constructs | Nov 21 12:25 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Mesa 11.1-RC1 Released https://t.co/kHTihakB6X | Nov 21 12:30 |
| TweetTuxMachines | (www.phoronix.com) https://t.co/B6B1kqzZH2 | Nov 21 12:30 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.phoronix.com | Mesa 11.1-RC1 Released - Phoronix | Nov 21 12:30 | |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.phoronix.com | Mesa 11.0.6 Delivers More Fixes To Stable Users - Phoronix | Nov 21 12:30 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.phoronix.com | The Next Mesa Release Doesn't Have Any Major OpenGL Breakthrough - Phoronix | Nov 21 12:30 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines GCC 5.3 To Be Released Within A Few Weeks | Nov 21 12:30 |
| TweetTuxMachines | https://t.co/pcIoqDtKFD (www.phoronix.com) | Nov 21 12:30 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.phoronix.com | GCC 5.3 To Be Released Within A Few Weeks - Phoronix | Nov 21 12:30 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Nouveau Kepler Re-Clocking Is Working A Lot | Nov 21 12:30 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Better On Linux 4.4 https://t.co/zuoD79gPvW | Nov 21 12:30 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.phoronix.com | Nouveau Kepler Re-Clocking Is Working A Lot Better On Linux 4.4 - Phoronix | Nov 21 12:30 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Review: BlackBerry's keyboard not enough to | Nov 21 12:30 |
| TweetTuxMachines | make it stand out in Android pack | Nov 21 12:30 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-phys.org | Review: BlackBerry's keyboard not enough to make it stand out in Android pack | Nov 21 12:30 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Ubuntu Touch OTA-9 Receives New Unity 8, | Nov 21 12:30 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Next-Gen Bluetooth Support, More | Nov 21 12:30 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-news.softpedia.com | Ubuntu Touch OTA-9 Receives New Unity 8, Next-Gen Bluetooth Support, More | Nov 21 12:30 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines The Dual Boot Deception https://t.co/BgHjc8e1Hc | Nov 21 12:30 |
| TweetTuxMachines | (freedompenguin.com) “many of the perils of | Nov 21 12:30 |
| TweetTuxMachines | dual booting” | Nov 21 12:30 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-freedompenguin.com | The Dual Boot Deception - Freedom Penguin | Nov 21 12:30 | |
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| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Is Linux Mint a terrible desktop distribution? | Nov 21 12:30 |
| TweetTuxMachines | https://t.co/SX51jCkajb (www.itworld.com) bait | Nov 21 12:30 |
| TweetTuxMachines | headline for hits? # | Nov 21 12:30 |
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| *TweetTuxMachines @techmuser favourited 'Nouveau Kepler Re-Clocking Is Working A Lot Better...' | Nov 21 12:31 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.itworld.com | Is Linux Mint a terrible desktop distribution? | ITworld | Nov 21 12:31 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Vendetta: Curse of Raven's Cry Released With | Nov 21 12:31 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Linux Support https://t.co/iztIFxvpsU | Nov 21 12:31 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.phoronix.com | Vendetta: Curse of Raven's Cry Released With Linux Support - Phoronix | Nov 21 12:31 | |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/redlocal/status/668117502543704066 | Nov 21 12:31 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@redlocal: Michigan Tech and Eric Friesen help bring #RepRap #opensource #3Dprinting to #Nicaragua https://t.co/qMb5LlpJaO … https://t.co/zS8w2jobmv | Nov 21 12:31 | |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz: Michigan Tech and Eric Friesen help bring #RepRap #opensource #3Dprinting to #Nicaragua https://t.co/uvjGIpglFu https://t.co/8QyrfzICMM | Nov 21 12:32 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Today in Techrights https://t.co/0ShgDAxPJX | Nov 21 12:32 |
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| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Links 21/11/2015: Community Appreciation Day, | Nov 21 12:32 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Jolla's Problems https://t.co/H9XMhr0zH5 | Nov 21 12:32 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Today in Techrights | Tux Machines | Nov 21 12:32 | |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Links 21/11/2015: Community Appreciation Day, Jolla’s Problems | Techrights | Nov 21 12:32 | |
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| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Leftovers: KDE https://t.co/kf3Tx6BWcT | Nov 21 12:41 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Leftovers: KDE | Tux Machines | Nov 21 12:41 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Mesa/Graphics https://t.co/rt8LgaosuN | Nov 21 12:41 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Mesa/Graphics | Tux Machines | Nov 21 12:41 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines LinuxG on Ubuntu, Mint https://t.co/4CVBFn6d44 | Nov 21 12:41 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | LinuxG on Ubuntu, Mint | Tux Machines | Nov 21 12:41 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines today's howtos https://t.co/jvJq1M91Aa | Nov 21 12:41 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | today's howtos | Tux Machines | Nov 21 12:41 | |
| schestowitz | https://joindiaspora.com/posts/6839503 https://joindiaspora.com/posts/6838317 | Nov 21 12:50 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: Mariana Safer & Max Starkov are badmouthing #freesw w/ debunked old FUD to sell their crappy, insecure proprietary SW http://www.hotelnewsresource.com/article86605.html | Nov 21 12:50 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights--> www.hotelnewsresource.com | The Perils of Using an Open-Source Content Management System (CMS) to Power the Hotel Website - By Mariana Safer and Max Starkov [ http://ur1.ca/oawoz ] | Nov 21 12:50 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: Canonical's IP Policy Is Vague for a Reason http://news.softpedia.com/news/canonical-s-ip-policy-is-vague-for-a-reason-but-matthew-garrett-says-ubuntu-is-not-free-496496.shtml same with #redhat #microsoft #patent agreement? Not acceptable for "open" | Nov 21 12:50 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights--> news.softpedia.com | Canonical's IP Policy Is Vague for a Reason, but Matthew Garrett Says Ubuntu Is Not Free | Nov 21 12:50 | |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/el_piranna/status/668122073773002752 | Nov 21 12:52 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@el_piranna: #NodeOS 1.0-RC1 got published on @infoworld magazine!!! :-D \cc @0x604 @micael_gallego @pinchito @ibc_tw https://t.co/p47tRbg87u | Nov 21 12:52 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz: Move over, #Linux -- #JavaScript-powered #NodeOS 1.0 approaches https://t.co/ecu9yOw0Me "small-footprint Linux distribution" | Nov 21 12:53 | |
| schestowitz | https://joindiaspora.com/posts/6837428 | Nov 21 13:09 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: #Syria secretly sentenced free software developer #BasselKhartabil to death http://boingboing.net/2015/11/20/assad-government-secretly-sent.html major loss to #freesw | Nov 21 13:09 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights--> boingboing.net | Syria secretly sentenced free software developer Bassel Khartabil to death / Boing Boing | Nov 21 13:09 | |
| schestowitz | " | Nov 21 13:09 |
| schestowitz | The ones mentioned didn’t, they fingered him. Just as MIT was the cause of Swarz suicide. Khartabil is a syrian citizen. USA at war with Syria. USA praises Khartabil, labeling him a traitor. | Nov 21 13:09 |
| schestowitz | See the guest list of Foreign Policy site - makes even our hair curl. | Nov 21 13:09 |
| schestowitz | Imagine a US hacker in the USA being praised and given employment etc by ISIS and Al Qaida… or just Assad. PUBLICLY. | Nov 21 13:09 |
| schestowitz | This is war, man, deaths and refugees - a (still) sovereign state fighting for its survival and those idiots in the USA… | Nov 21 13:10 |
| schestowitz | " | Nov 21 13:10 |
| schestowitz | "Sad story and I see little pressure being made on helping him, i.e. only 2,000 tweets in last month and only 2,500 likes in the FreeBasselSafadi facebook site. (Other prisioners in Syria have hundreds of thousand of tweets sent by tweeter users). Other carachteristic about his case is that there is no confirmation of death sentece by any other source than his wife’s fears. Maybe It is possible of course, I don’t know, but news sites | Nov 21 13:11 |
| schestowitz | says on headlines that he have been sentenced to death as it was already confirmed. Other thing that I learned today by studying this case is that not only regular goverment of Syria make death sentences, in the areas controlled by the rebel Free Syrian Army (F.S.A.) have been so far 8 death sentences only for “blasphemy” by F.S.A. “courts”, I mention that just to put in context death sentences in Syria. Since this is a special case | Nov 21 13:11 |
| schestowitz | in which this kind of good person to humanity is possible (although not confirmed) facing death, I will campaign for him in my posts and other activities in Internet." | Nov 21 13:11 |
| schestowitz | I don't think it's fair to accuse MIT of contributing to his death | Nov 21 13:11 |
| schestowitz | https://joindiaspora.com/posts/6838203 | Nov 21 13:11 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: Recent actions by our governments serve to suggest that radical Islamists are like the "Conservatives" in the Muslim world | Nov 21 13:11 | |
| schestowitz | " | Nov 21 13:11 |
| schestowitz | If your european governs were true conservatives in past 30 yars this situation of cultural collapse never happen. And now your people are endorsing the game of socialists and “aka” conservatives with total link with eurasianists. In truth both sides has link. | Nov 21 13:11 |
| schestowitz | It is like again yhe scissors tact of stalin | Nov 21 13:11 |
| schestowitz | " | Nov 21 13:12 |
| schestowitz | https://joindiaspora.com/posts/6839558 | Nov 21 13:12 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: Thanks to all those who are sending article translations regarding #epo - some to be punished tomorrow http://techrights.org/wiki/index.php/EPO | Nov 21 13:12 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights--> techrights.org | EPO - Techrights | Nov 21 13:12 | |
| schestowitz | "Punished? :)" | Nov 21 13:12 |
| schestowitz | Oops | Nov 21 13:12 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Leftovers: OSS | Tux Machines | Nov 21 14:13 | |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Today in Techrights | Tux Machines | Nov 21 14:13 | |
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| schestowitz | Just got a treasure trove | Nov 21 17:43 |
| schestowitz | " | Nov 21 17:43 |
| schestowitz | Dear Sir, | Nov 21 17:43 |
| schestowitz | Thank you. I saw that reply from President Battistelli about an hour ago and started drafting something about it. I really needed a translation of it, so what you've just sent me came at a perfect time. | Nov 21 17:43 |
| schestowitz | If I don't fall asleep before 3 AM I plan to release 4 articles tonight and the article about this letter I can probably post tomorrow, along with another article. I have lot more lined up for the coming week, owing to kind sources like yourself. | Nov 21 17:43 |
| schestowitz | I will protect your identity and very much appreciate any additional feedback you have. | Nov 21 17:43 |
| schestowitz | Kind regards, | Nov 21 17:43 |
| schestowitz | " | Nov 21 17:43 |
| schestowitz | (Re: EPO: Letter from Battistelli to P.-Y. le Borgn') | Nov 21 17:43 |
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| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/DubDelivery/status/668202277501591552 | Nov 21 19:20 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@DubDelivery: DubMediaMash https://t.co/DymmUHgtwz - top stories by @schestowitz | Nov 21 19:20 | |
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| schestowitz | BS* | Nov 21 19:20 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@bigonbe: @schestowitz Faster boot has never been the selling point... https://t.co/8BSO0pvAqO | Nov 21 19:20 | |
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| schestowitz | Lord Poettering, LP | Nov 21 19:20 |
| schestowitz | and I probably misspelled his name, too | Nov 21 19:21 |
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| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines 10 tricks every Android user should know | Nov 21 21:00 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-timesofindia.indiatimes.com | 10 tricks every Android user should know- The Times of India | Nov 21 21:01 | |
| schestowitz | >> Do you have experience with Java or have used Eclipse before? Now | Nov 21 21:04 |
| schestowitz | > there's Android Studio, but should be similar... | Nov 21 21:04 |
| schestowitz | > | Nov 21 21:04 |
| schestowitz | > I'm familiar with Java and Eclipse but now that I've thought about it, I | Nov 21 21:04 |
| schestowitz | > don't know enough to write an application. | Nov 21 21:04 |
| schestowitz | Start with a working sample app and then 'hack' on it... | Nov 21 21:04 |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Tronsmart Orion R68 Review: Full Android | Nov 21 22:04 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Set-Top Box https://t.co/hI1KsZtkVA | Nov 21 22:04 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.gottabemobile.com | Tronsmart Orion R68 Review: Full Android Set-Top Box | Nov 21 22:04 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Today in Techrights https://t.co/Fyj6JnvECw | Nov 21 22:04 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Today in Techrights | Tux Machines | Nov 21 22:04 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Dell Ultra HD 4K Monitor P2415Q Works Great On | Nov 21 22:04 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Linux Systems https://t.co/Z02wHmOGrY | Nov 21 22:04 |
| TweetTuxMachines | (www.phoronix.com) well, why wouldn't it? | Nov 21 22:04 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.phoronix.com | Dell Ultra HD 4K Monitor P2415Q Works Great On Linux Systems Review - Phoronix | Nov 21 22:04 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Knoppix 7.6 Now Available | Nov 21 22:20 |
| TweetTuxMachines | https://t.co/G3xXsIZCff (www.phoronix.com) | Nov 21 22:20 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.phoronix.com | Knoppix 7.6 Now Available - Phoronix | Nov 21 22:20 | |
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| schestowitz | 'Are you serious? "Turn on this tracking technology, and then this, and also very convenient, this tracking technology." | Nov 21 23:02 |
| schestowitz | https://joindiaspora.com/posts/6840858 | Nov 21 23:02 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@linux@joindiaspora.com: 10 tricks every Android user should know http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/tech/slideshow/10-tricks-every-android-user-should-know/itslideshow/49870276.cms | Nov 21 23:02 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights--> timesofindia.indiatimes.com | 10 tricks every Android user should know- The Times of India | Nov 21 23:02 | |
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| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/FOSSpatents/status/668279429072887808 | Nov 21 23:07 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@FOSSpatents: @schestowitz great investigative work! | Nov 21 23:07 | |
| cubexyz | http://www.maxhost.org/other/ancedote-about-windows-bsod.txt | Nov 21 23:28 |
| cubexyz | ok, this one bears a repeat :) | Nov 21 23:30 |
| cubexyz | since it's funny | Nov 21 23:30 |
| cubexyz | http://www.maxhost.org/other/yet-another-happy-microsoftie.txt | Nov 21 23:31 |
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| XFaCE | MinceR: how dare you mincer | Nov 15 00:03 |
| XFaCE | Windows 10 is the most stable Windows yet | Nov 15 00:03 |
| MinceR | lol | Nov 15 00:03 |
| XFaCE | MinceR: Actually I'm pretty Microsoft recycles the same damn marketing points every single release | Nov 15 00:04 |
| MinceR | even if that were true, there's a lot of improvement necessary before applications stop freezing :> | Nov 15 00:04 |
| cubexyz | I see lots of complaints | Nov 15 00:04 |
| cubexyz | philosophically speaking it's pretty much awful | Nov 15 00:05 |
| cubexyz | oh and shutdowns and reboots take a long time | Nov 15 00:17 |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Shoddy Laptop? Linux 4.4 Gets Patch To Support | Nov 15 00:57 |
| TweetTuxMachines | ESC Key On Lenovo Laptop | Nov 15 00:57 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.phoronix.com | Shoddy Laptop? Linux 4.4 Gets Patch To Support ESC Key On Lenovo Laptop - Phoronix | Nov 15 00:57 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines KDE Frameworks 5.16.0 Arrives with Lots of | Nov 15 00:57 |
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| cubexyz | ok, doing more q4os testing tonight | Nov 15 01:27 |
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| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines GeckoLinux - based on openSUSE Leap 42.1 with | Nov 15 03:43 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | GeckoLinux - based on openSUSE Leap 42.1 with more features and refinements | Tux Machines | Nov 15 03:43 | |
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| msb_ | Interesting video download experience: I caught part of a video on RT about Syrian Kurdish women fighting ISIL. They are socialist, have rejected male supremacy, and, as I've seen in previous videos showing Kurds, many are quite beautiful. A google search found the video here: https://rtd.rt.com/films/her-war-women-vs-isis-documentary/. VideoDownloadHelper tried to get it three times, but always failed about 20% through, and | Nov 15 06:54 |
| msb_ | deleted the partial file. youtube-dl couldn't get it at all. So I looked at the HTML of the page, found the tail-end of the video's URL, and prefixed it with the beginning of the page's URL. Good old wget gets it just fine, despite the intermittent feed. I'll have to send the VDLH people an email about this. http://rtd.rt.com/files/films/her-war-women-vs-isis-documentary/her-war-women-vs-isis-documentary_4.mp4 | Nov 15 06:54 |
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| msb_ | This view of female culture is fascinating. Even during lessons in marching maneuvers, mistakes are treated kindly, with laughter (with, not at). This is totally the opposite of male drill instructor cruelty. | Nov 15 07:07 |
| oiaohm | Sorry to say you comment is really sexist. I have had male and female instructors sports instructors who have known that cruelty is not a good plan. | Nov 15 07:13 |
| msb_ | Not sexist at all. I was referring to drill instructors specifically. | Nov 15 07:14 |
| oiaohm | msb_: I have also had female instructors who were more savage than most male drill instructors. | Nov 15 07:15 |
| oiaohm | comes down to how the drill instructor was taugh. | Nov 15 07:15 |
| oiaohm | And their personality. | Nov 15 07:15 |
| msb_ | Perhaps because they were taught within a male-supremacist culture and were imitating it. This particular Kurdish army is all women. | Nov 15 07:17 |
| oiaohm | Not excactly that. | Nov 15 07:17 |
| msb_ | I suggest downloading and watching the video. There's a lot of interesting material in it. | Nov 15 07:18 |
| oiaohm | Some people have a natural domination personality. Does not matter if you are male or female you can have it. | Nov 15 07:18 |
| oiaohm | Australian mil has a paper on it msb_ for choosing drill instructors to get results. | Nov 15 07:18 |
| oiaohm | Yes they tried going all female or all male neither is good. | Nov 15 07:19 |
| oiaohm | All the time. | Nov 15 07:19 |
| oiaohm | msb_: there is a horrible issue. If a drill instructor is too strong in domination they break the free will of the person to disobey instruction under any conditions. This is what produces soldiers that end up killing non combatants or throw their lives away in pointless attacks. | Nov 15 07:23 |
| msb_ | Perhaps the Kurdish socialist women's culture is different from that of Australian women. Almost all Western culture is male-supremacist, and encourages psychopath (dominator) behavior in some people and sheep (passive victim) behavior in others. This is largely due to Jewish-Christian-Islamic religion. | Nov 15 07:24 |
| cubexyz | I'd say the male supremacist era is over | Nov 15 07:24 |
| cubexyz | or at least on the wane | Nov 15 07:25 |
| oiaohm | msb_: ever heard of the term dominatrix yes a female with natural nominator tendencies. | Nov 15 07:25 |
| oiaohm | Opps nominator/dominator | Nov 15 07:25 |
| oiaohm | Basically its not just a male thing to be excess in domination. Problem here is people who are excessive in domination have been promoted to the top without really considering the downsides. | Nov 15 07:26 |
| cubexyz | we don't live in a "Father Knows Best" society :) | Nov 15 07:26 |
| oiaohm | cubexyz: there has always been house holds were the wife is in charge and the everyone obeys her. | Nov 15 07:27 |
| oiaohm | Father knows best has mostly been a history myth. | Nov 15 07:27 |
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| schestowitz | https://joindiaspora.com/posts/6816053 | Nov 15 10:03 |
| schestowitz | "let me know when they’ve got one for the Fn key :)" | Nov 15 10:03 |
| schestowitz | https://joindiaspora.com/posts/6815992 | Nov 15 10:04 |
| schestowitz | "The new manjaros are sexy!" | Nov 15 10:04 |
| schestowitz | Who's using them? | Nov 15 10:04 |
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| schestowitz | > http://esr.ibiblio.org/?p=6918 | Nov 15 10:22 |
| schestowitz | > | Nov 15 10:22 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-esr.ibiblio.org | Why Hackers Must Eject the SJWs | Nov 15 10:22 | |
| schestowitz | > First, recall that there are business and political interests with the | Nov 15 10:22 |
| schestowitz | > long term goal of taking down FOSS that have been using intensive | Nov 15 10:22 |
| schestowitz | > strategies against FOSS and Linux in particular. We know that all | Nov 15 10:22 |
| schestowitz | > possible methods are used, including, I suppose, employing false SJWs. | Nov 15 10:22 |
| schestowitz | > They are a bit like astroturfers but write enough code to be able to say | Nov 15 10:22 |
| schestowitz | > they are involved in a project (c.f. mono in Ubuntu). It seems to me | Nov 15 10:22 |
| schestowitz | > that the trendy social issues are now catspaws to hide the true source | Nov 15 10:22 |
| schestowitz | > of the attacks. If these SJWs were real hackers they would write good | Nov 15 10:22 |
| schestowitz | > code regardless of whether there were fags, women, men in dresses, | Nov 15 10:22 |
| schestowitz | > asexuals, etc. But the goal appears to ensure that there is holey code | Nov 15 10:22 |
| schestowitz | > and bad design in FOSS which reduces its potential to be successful and | Nov 15 10:23 |
| schestowitz | > allow proprietary sw and spying to gain. The interests promoting not | Nov 15 10:23 |
| schestowitz | > just holey code but bad design (e.g. systemd) have simply pulled their | Nov 15 10:23 |
| schestowitz | > chain to get them to bark to avoid real discussion of the code and | Nov 15 10:23 |
| schestowitz | > improvement of design. The original idea in FOSS, and OSS in | Nov 15 10:23 |
| schestowitz | > particular, was technical discussion and improvement. Some of these | Nov 15 10:23 |
| schestowitz | > projects have lost the original spirit and are losing their way. | Nov 15 10:23 |
| schestowitz | Last time I met RMS we talked about how likely it was that "Linux" was embrace and "GNU" omitted by large businesses because Torvalds was more likely to help them. He thought it was possible and found it interested. | Nov 15 10:23 |
| schestowitz | I don't think that the Intel SJW is intentionally put there for the reasons above. Either way, going down this route of discrediting feminism in FOSS wouldn't be wise for me or for TR because there exists discrimination and I'm already seeing the vicious attacks ESR gets online for writing the above. | Nov 15 10:23 |
| schestowitz | Let's just say that we can bemoan corporation abuse of Linux (UEFI, TPM etc.) without lumping in SJWs... | Nov 15 10:23 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Google Nexus 6P review: Android M and camera steal the show | Tux Machines | Nov 15 10:39 | |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.engadget.com | Android Wear can do a whole lot more using your wrist | Nov 15 10:39 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Want an open-source deep learning framework? | Nov 15 10:46 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Take your pick https://t.co/39XpSW2CPh | Nov 15 10:46 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-venturebeat.com | Want an open-source deep learning framework? Take your pick | VentureBeat | Dev | by Jordan Novet | Nov 15 10:46 | |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-julianalouback.com | PaperTrail - Powered by IBM Watson | Nov 15 10:46 | |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/huehuehuio/status/665843838259478528 | Nov 15 10:51 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-indianexpress.com | Google Nexus 6P review: Android M and camera steal the show | The Indian Express | Nov 15 12:00 | |
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| msb_ | schestowitz: I think systemd is by far the worst attack on Linux. I can't even recommend an up-to-date non-systemd distro. Manjaro uses it. After that would be UEFI and KDE4/5/Plasma. I don't think the SJWs will cause any significant problem. Their complex "code of conduct" will repel nearly everyone. | Nov 15 13:12 |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/backavar/status/665882389449728001 | Nov 15 13:24 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@backavar: @schestowitz well, if i would get the support and care that i was promised then I wouldn't be trying to find a better life. Stupid Gov'mt | Nov 15 13:24 | |
| schestowitz | msb_: both are issues | Nov 15 13:24 |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/Messgorough/status/665882487671885824 | Nov 15 13:25 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@Messgorough: @FeelitWorking @schestowitz Not helped by governments UTTER lack of understanding on this or the effects of dragnet usage. | Nov 15 13:25 | |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/communicipalist/status/665884073546547200 | Nov 15 13:31 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@communicipalist: Should keep them busy nice to know our taxes are being spent productively in keeping Cheltenham in employment https://t.co/7iR8XCdDsC | Nov 15 13:31 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz: "Al Qaeda knew for decades to avoid electronic means of communication" https://t.co/dPOKBCToQ6 mass #surveillance is against dissidents | Nov 15 13:31 | |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/backavar/status/665884441223499776 | Nov 15 13:31 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@backavar: @schestowitz it is a difficult lesson to learn, that is for sure. | Nov 15 13:31 | |
| schestowitz | wish you the best and will do what I can to spread your message | Nov 15 13:31 |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/backavar/status/665885129290735616 | Nov 15 13:35 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@backavar: @schestowitz thank you, sir. You honor me greatly. | Nov 15 13:35 | |
| MinceR | https://twitter.com/GrrrGraphics/status/665561747500040192 | Nov 15 13:52 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@GrrrGraphics: PC CENSORSHIP FACEBOOK has removed "CryBullies"from my FB pages saying it "violates" their "Community Standards!" https://t.co/QjxhA3V3yE | Nov 15 13:52 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@GrrrGraphics: PC CENSORSHIP FACEBOOK has removed "CryBullies"from my FB pages saying it "violates" their "Community Standards!" https://t.co/QjxhA3V3yE | Nov 15 13:52 | |
| MinceR | msb_: why not recommend slackware? | Nov 15 13:52 |
| MinceR | also, poettering is an SJW, yet that didn't repel people from cancerd | Nov 15 13:52 |
| msb_ | Because slackware is not up to date. Last release was two years ago. | Nov 15 13:53 |
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| MinceR | i see | Nov 15 13:54 |
| MinceR | what about funtoo? | Nov 15 13:55 |
| msb_ | There must be some kind of covert operation that has gotten systemd accepted -- bribery, blackmail, etc. | Nov 15 13:55 |
| msb_ | funtoo is source-based. Most people will not want that. | Nov 15 13:56 |
| MinceR | maybe they'll still prefer it to systemd/Linux or systemd/Garrettux, though | Nov 15 13:58 |
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| msb_ | No. Most users are unaware of the problems with systemd, and are content to use an easy and up to date distro like Ubuntu, Fedora, or Suse. | Nov 15 13:59 |
| MinceR | eventually they'll find out it's getting as bad as vista, though | Nov 15 14:00 |
| msb_ | I doubt that Poettering will let it get that bad as seen by the user. I think the main purpose of systemd is to allow the US govt so kill all computers using it. | Nov 15 14:03 |
| msb_ | so -> to | Nov 15 14:04 |
| MinceR | i doubt he can avoid it | Nov 15 14:05 |
| MinceR | his design sucks | Nov 15 14:05 |
| MinceR | systemd is already doing extremely harmful things | Nov 15 14:05 |
| MinceR | like running fsck in parallel with other processes that use the same filesystem mounted read-write | Nov 15 14:05 |
| MinceR | plus it's full of potential vulnerabilities | Nov 15 14:06 |
| msb_ | I didn't know about fsck. Maybe a secondary purpose is to make Linux unreliable so people will use Windows. | Nov 15 14:08 |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/SeaH2ONymph/status/665893268979326976 | Nov 15 14:08 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@SeaH2ONymph: #US #NSA - Nat'l Reconnaissance Office - Nat'l Geospatial Agency employ 25,000 ft employees & 25,000 contractors https://t.co/yTuUprqqOq | Nov 15 14:08 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz: "Eliminate three secret agencies costing $25 billion a year" https://t.co/yLqqprmy3v | Nov 15 14:08 | |
| schestowitz | [22:52] <XFaCE> just a suggestion | Nov 15 14:09 |
| schestowitz | [22:52] <XFaCE> http://techrights.org/2015/10/25/techrights-doc-drop/ | Nov 15 14:10 |
| schestowitz | Yes, I was told so weeks ago | Nov 15 14:10 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | How to Securely Provide Techrights With Information, Documents | Techrights | Nov 15 14:10 | |
| MinceR | https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DFeDFva6tcg (sauce: http://theralphretort.com/politically-incorrect-pioneer-bill-maher-takes-worthless-pc-culture-3028015/ ) | Nov 15 14:29 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.youtube.com | Real Time with Bill Maher: Liberals vs. Liberals (HBO) - YouTube | Nov 15 14:29 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-theralphretort.com | "Politically Incorrect" Pioneer Bill Maher Takes On Worthless PC Culture | Nov 15 14:29 | |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/glynmoody/status/665899375311380480 | Nov 15 14:31 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@glynmoody: good point https://t.co/jVCH5omI52 | Nov 15 14:31 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz: There is a new Pirate-like term for #privacy that's promoted in corporate media: it's called "going dark", they associate it with "dark web" | Nov 15 14:31 | |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/ArneBab/status/665900143493910529 | Nov 15 14:34 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@ArneBab: @schestowitz That’s closer to reality than piracy: Since major political parties are failing us constantly, you have to go dark for privacy. | Nov 15 14:34 | |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/plomm3r/status/665902243816841217 | Nov 15 14:44 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@plomm3r: @schestowitz @glynmoody Pablo Escobar used pigeons to message to his partners in crime. After @Snowden, self-respecting terrorists know this | Nov 15 14:44 | |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/SteveNixonIP/status/665903640163573761 | Nov 15 14:47 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@SteveNixonIP: @schestowitz @PrivacyCamp @snowden They already did this ages ago. What more could they do? | Nov 15 14:47 | |
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| schestowitz | longpaste (relating to systemd etc.), important but not for front page: | Nov 15 15:43 |
| schestowitz | ------------- | Nov 15 15:43 |
| schestowitz | > On 11/15/2015 12:22 PM, Roy Schestowitz wrote: | Nov 15 15:43 |
| schestowitz | >> Last time I met RMS we talked about how likely it was that "Linux" | Nov 15 15:43 |
| schestowitz | >> was embrace and "GNU" omitted by large businesses because Torvalds | Nov 15 15:43 |
| schestowitz | >> was more likely to help them. He thought it was possible and found it | Nov 15 15:43 |
| schestowitz | >> interested. | Nov 15 15:43 |
| schestowitz | >> | Nov 15 15:43 |
| schestowitz | >> I don't think that the Intel SJW is intentionally put there for the | Nov 15 15:43 |
| schestowitz | >> reasons above. Either way, going down this route of discrediting | Nov 15 15:43 |
| schestowitz | >> feminism in FOSS wouldn't be wise for me or for TR because there | Nov 15 15:43 |
| schestowitz | >> exists discrimination and I'm already seeing the vicious attacks ESR | Nov 15 15:43 |
| schestowitz | >> gets online for writing the above. | Nov 15 15:43 |
| schestowitz | > | Nov 15 15:43 |
| schestowitz | > S helped write that first comment and this one. She is more worried | Nov 15 15:43 |
| schestowitz | > than I, though I myself am worried. She and I don't understand what | Nov 15 15:43 |
| schestowitz | > can be done for the SJW issues in a *technical* project. These social | Nov 15 15:43 |
| schestowitz | > issues, she points out, have nothing to do with writing code. This | Nov 15 15:43 |
| schestowitz | > seems to be a kind of new tactic against not just FOSS but even OSS. I | Nov 15 15:43 |
| schestowitz | > think it is because the latter is now firmly accepted by business and, | Nov 15 15:43 |
| schestowitz | > to a lesser extent, government. It's a noisy form of entryism to | Nov 15 15:43 |
| schestowitz | > confuse, distract or otherwise take attention away from the code. | Nov 15 15:43 |
| schestowitz | Yes, in tuxmachines I lumped about 50 articles as such under the comments section of one single node (the first about Sharp), so as to avoid the signal being reduced/diluted by the 'news' (including ESR). You can still see that in the site. | Nov 15 15:43 |
| schestowitz | Red Hat and EPO are among my important 'projects' now... feminism etc. are important subjects, but not for FOSS. Some people in the atheist 'community' also rejected the interjection of feminism into their cause, which was science. You can find plenty of information about this only. They called it "atheism plus" (plus what you ask? SJW). | Nov 15 15:43 |
| schestowitz | >> Let's just say that we can bemoan corporation abuse of Linux (UEFI, | Nov 15 15:43 |
| schestowitz | >> TPM etc.) without lumping in SJWs... | Nov 15 15:43 |
| schestowitz | > | Nov 15 15:43 |
| schestowitz | > Yes, but I think this is kind of a warning of new tactics, related to | Nov 15 15:43 |
| schestowitz | > entryism. There are some legitimate social problems in society and | Nov 15 15:44 |
| schestowitz | > there are some few people honestly trying to help through social means. | Nov 15 15:44 |
| schestowitz | > However, some of them might be catspaws and there are also probably | Nov 15 15:44 |
| schestowitz | > paid SJWs as there are astroturfers. The time might not be right to | Nov 15 15:44 |
| schestowitz | > address it publicly on TR but nevertheless it should be tracked | Nov 15 15:44 |
| schestowitz | > privately if only used to see what the anti-FOSS interests are aiming to | Nov 15 15:44 |
| schestowitz | > disrupt. | Nov 15 15:44 |
| schestowitz | I haven't been attacked by SJW, at least not yet. RMS faced several such attack, then there's Eich... now Torvalds... | Nov 15 15:44 |
| schestowitz | > But the important question to ask is, why isn't OSS allowed to keep | Nov 15 15:44 |
| schestowitz | > writing good code? The focus should be on the code and its quality, not | Nov 15 15:44 |
| schestowitz | > who or what has produced it. Who has a policy of bugdoors? Also, people | Nov 15 15:44 |
| schestowitz | > once dismissed the tactic of astroturfing. Now awareness of it is more | Nov 15 15:44 |
| schestowitz | > than mainstream and it is losing its effectiveness so new avenues are | Nov 15 15:44 |
| schestowitz | > being used. I forget which document covered it, but the M$ jihad back | Nov 15 15:44 |
| schestowitz | > then was about keeping mindshare on anything except Linux, GNU, or FOSS. | Nov 15 15:44 |
| schestowitz | Microsoft recently tried to get me fired. | Nov 15 15:44 |
| schestowitz | > PS. She ran a few OSS-oriented projects a while back and has identified | Nov 15 15:44 |
| schestowitz | > first hand some of the M$ attacks, and even some other groups. In one | Nov 15 15:44 |
| schestowitz | > case, a Softer set up a web site to 'promote' OSS and gathered up a lot | Nov 15 15:44 |
| schestowitz | > of names through participants and projects. Then the site changed to | Nov 15 15:44 |
| schestowitz | > spread FUD against OSS and M$ was able to target those people who had | Nov 15 15:44 |
| schestowitz | > identified themselves. | Nov 15 15:44 |
| schestowitz | Yes, there are other such examples. One of them is OSSWatch - that's where the attacks on my job incidentally came from... after Microsoft had scooped up some of their key staff. | Nov 15 15:44 |
| MinceR | msb_: at least slackware 14.1 is still newer than debian 7 :> | Nov 15 16:23 |
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| XFaCE | schestowitz: MinceR cubexyz https://news.vice.com/article/windows-31-is-still-alive-and-it-just-killed-a-french-airport | Nov 15 17:40 |
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| msb_ | I'll bet their Unix software is still working reliably. | Nov 15 18:02 |
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| oiaohm | MinceR you need to look again at systemd when fsck is running on a file system under it the file system is still mounted read only. | Nov 15 21:04 |
| oiaohm | MinceR: The difference from sysvinit and systemd with fsck is the fact applications are allowed to read data off of a file system before is fsck cleared. | Nov 15 21:05 |
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| MinceR | oiaohm: until systemd gets tired of waiting for fsck (times out) and resumes booting | Nov 15 21:16 |
| XFaCE | fsck systemd | Nov 15 21:18 |
| oiaohm | MinceR: sorry fsck timeout and booting going ahead anyhow happened under sysvinit | Nov 15 21:28 |
| MinceR | citation needed | Nov 15 21:29 |
| oiaohm | MinceR: so not a new fault. | Nov 15 21:29 |
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| oiaohm | MinceR: http://www.freedesktop.org/software/systemd/man/systemd-fsck@.service.html this does not in fact have a timeout. | Nov 15 21:33 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.freedesktop.org | systemd-fsck@.service [ http://ur1.ca/o9vyh ] | Nov 15 21:33 | |
| oiaohm | Its the fsck program it self times out MinceR | Nov 15 21:33 |
| oiaohm | Now of course under sysvinit where fsck is running with full cpu to itself it way less likely to hit the timeout. | Nov 15 21:34 |
| oiaohm | MinceR: basically hidden fault that systemd has made front and center. | Nov 15 21:35 |
| MinceR | i'm not so sure about that | Nov 15 21:35 |
| MinceR | systemd is full of dark secrets | Nov 15 21:35 |
| oiaohm | Not really. | Nov 15 21:36 |
| oiaohm | systemd has a few design issues. | Nov 15 21:36 |
| MinceR | and magic numbers | Nov 15 21:36 |
| MinceR | systemd is a fractal of bad design | Nov 15 21:36 |
| oiaohm | Every new system has a percentage of bad design parts. | Nov 15 21:37 |
| oiaohm | The recent systemd conference they have talked about correcting some of the worst. | Nov 15 21:37 |
| oiaohm | Like moving the unit file processor out its own application. | Nov 15 21:38 |
| MinceR | i thought keeping everything in one big hairball was teh best possible design evar | Nov 15 21:38 |
| MinceR | what happened? | Nov 15 21:39 |
| oiaohm | Really systemd has from the start breaking up into more and more applications. | Nov 15 21:39 |
| oiaohm | Basically they prototype in the hairball when they work out how it should work they then make the independant application to perform the task. | Nov 15 21:40 |
| oiaohm | That has been the systemd design model. | Nov 15 21:40 |
| oiaohm | Also the fact that kdbus is being delayed lot of fix up work to dbus has been put back on the table. Like adding time stamps to dbus messages so you know how old a message is. | Nov 15 21:41 |
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| MinceR | dropping oodles of garbage that really depends on the hairball during the build process or actually breaking it up? | Nov 15 21:42 |
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| MinceR | a few thousand *ctl binaries won't save this design | Nov 15 21:42 |
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| MinceR | also, why didn't they finish the design before trying to force systemd on everybody? | Nov 15 21:43 |
| oiaohm | MinceR: just an example systemd-nspawn for starting up cgroups around services that use to be in PID 1. | Nov 15 21:43 |
| oiaohm | when systemd first started. | Nov 15 21:43 |
| MinceR | still depends on systemd | Nov 15 21:43 |
| MinceR | and still depends on secret APIs | Nov 15 21:43 |
| MinceR | (that also change randomly) | Nov 15 21:44 |
| oiaohm | Not true | Nov 15 21:44 |
| MinceR | all the better to lock competitors out of being compatible with cancerd | Nov 15 21:44 |
| oiaohm | The interface apis that nspawn connect to is fully documented. | Nov 15 21:44 |
| MinceR | just like a certain other company | Nov 15 21:44 |
| MinceR | which brings me back to the first point | Nov 15 21:45 |
| MinceR | if you people love the design of windows so much, why don't you go back to using that and stop trying to destroy gnu/linux? | Nov 15 21:45 |
| oiaohm | 1 sysvinit was broken. | Nov 15 21:45 |
| oiaohm | 2 making a replacement is never fun. | Nov 15 21:45 |
| msb_ | oiaohm: Please read this and tell me you are sure that systemd works correctly: http://blog.darknedgy.net/technology/2015/10/11/0/ Personally, I think it is a Redback spider under the toilet seat. | Nov 15 21:46 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-blog.darknedgy.net | Structural and semantic deficiencies in the systemd architecture for real-world service management, a technical treatise | Nov 15 21:46 | |
| XFaCE | [16:45:58]<oiaohm> 2 making a replacement is never fun. | Nov 15 21:48 |
| XFaCE | we have several replacements | Nov 15 21:48 |
| MinceR | all of which are better designed than cancerd | Nov 15 21:48 |
| MinceR | also, systemd is not a "sysvinit replacement" | Nov 15 21:48 |
| XFaCE | [16:45:46]<oiaohm> 1 sysvinit was broken. | Nov 15 21:49 |
| MinceR | it's an everything replacement | Nov 15 21:49 |
| MinceR | if it was just an init system, it would be easy to swap it in or out | Nov 15 21:49 |
| XFaCE | no one is saying that sysvinit should be used forever | Nov 15 21:49 |
| MinceR | but it actually hooks into the host system with millions of tentacles | Nov 15 21:49 |
| msb_ | If sysvinit is "broken" it is so minimally broken that it worked fine in a hundred million systems for several decades. | Nov 15 21:50 |
| oiaohm | msb_: most of what was in that blog is covered by the recent systemd conference. | Nov 15 21:50 |
| msb_ | Covered with what? Shit? | Nov 15 21:51 |
| oiaohm | Plans to rebuild sections. | Nov 15 21:51 |
| msb_ | That blog shows that the internals of systemd are so complicated that nobody can possibly figure what it actually does in all circumstances. | Nov 15 21:51 |
| msb_ | So now this systemd conference admits that systemd is a huge load of unpredictable shit, _after_ it has been adopted by nearly all Linux distros, for reasons that nobody knows. | Nov 15 21:53 |
| msb_ | Or at least nobody is telling,. | Nov 15 21:53 |
| oiaohm | The fact that bigger guys are running systemd they are finding some nasty issue. That are forcing sections to be fixed. | Nov 15 21:56 |
| msb_ | 'Sentence first—verdict afterwards.'. | Nov 15 21:56 |
| oiaohm | Fun one at the systemd confence was locking up systemd by reloading unit files. | Nov 15 21:56 |
| msb_ | So the huge pile of shit was never vetted _before_ it was adopted by everyone. | Nov 15 21:57 |
| oiaohm | That traces back to a few things. 1 systemd cannot reload a single unit file instead reload all of them. | Nov 15 21:57 |
| oiaohm | 2 dbus/messeging used by init does not have a time stamp so if you send 1 million reload messages systemd will perform them all. | Nov 15 21:58 |
| oiaohm | Yes journald lack of performance also upsets big guys. | Nov 15 21:59 |
| oiaohm | And that is another stupidity in design. | Nov 15 21:59 |
| oiaohm | "A more nuanced solution could be listening for events from the Netlink proc connector (cn_proc)." Like that one from the blog post. Turns out cn_proc is a cpu time black hole. netfilter is implement cgroup support to attempt to get around it. | Nov 15 22:04 |
| MinceR | yeah, first people state publicly that the design of systemd is broken and it shouldn't be forced on anyone | Nov 15 22:04 |
| MinceR | then those people are called stupid and systemd is forced on almost everyone | Nov 15 22:04 |
| MinceR | then the systemd cabal finally realizes their shit is broken | Nov 15 22:04 |
| MinceR | and then they try to patch it up even though the fundamental design is braindead | Nov 15 22:04 |
| oiaohm | MinceR: it chicken and egg problem. | Nov 15 22:04 |
| MinceR | no, a trainwreck | Nov 15 22:04 |
| MinceR | a combination of incompetent code monkeys and a company with huge influence and no scruples | Nov 15 22:05 |
| MinceR | and enormous egos | Nov 15 22:05 |
| oiaohm | How many attempts were there to replace sysvinit that got no where. | Nov 15 22:05 |
| MinceR | doesn't matter | Nov 15 22:05 |
| MinceR | systemd shouldn't have gotten anywhere | Nov 15 22:05 |
| oiaohm | It does matter. | Nov 15 22:05 |
| MinceR | as it's shit | Nov 15 22:05 |
| oiaohm | sysvinit is shit that was failing to be replaced | Nov 15 22:06 |
| MinceR | having lots of attempts that get ignored is normal for free software | Nov 15 22:06 |
| MinceR | sysvinit is not nearly as shitty as systemd is | Nov 15 22:06 |
| MinceR | and we have openrc | Nov 15 22:06 |
| oiaohm | sysvinit is in a lot of ways worse than systemd | Nov 15 22:06 |
| MinceR | and had it for years | Nov 15 22:06 |
| oiaohm | openrc comes out of systemd | Nov 15 22:06 |
| MinceR | yeah, right | Nov 15 22:06 |
| oiaohm | coming into existance. | Nov 15 22:06 |
| MinceR | because gentoo is systemd | Nov 15 22:06 |
| MinceR | i'm sure plenty of people at deadrat believe sysvinit to be worse than systemd | Nov 15 22:07 |
| MinceR | but those people know nothing about software engineering | Nov 15 22:07 |
| oiaohm | That is the problem. Old school software engineering models can have issues with systemd development method. | Nov 15 22:08 |
| oiaohm | I did not say systemd has the best development methods. | Nov 15 22:08 |
| msb_ | The big question is: _Why_ was systemd adopted by all major distros? It had to be a tailored combination of bribery and/or blackmail, engineered by RedHats biggest customer, the US government. | Nov 15 22:08 |
| oiaohm | systemd is taking the prototype development method. | Nov 15 22:08 |
| MinceR | the concept of cohesion is not an "old school software engineering model" | Nov 15 22:08 |
| MinceR | it's part of software engineering 101 | Nov 15 22:08 |
| MinceR | which poettering never studied | Nov 15 22:09 |
| oiaohm | Sorry wrong. | Nov 15 22:09 |
| MinceR | no, systemd is taking the "hack up a mountain of shit and then foist it on everyone" method | Nov 15 22:09 |
| MinceR | msb_: because ratcrap abused their control over gnome | Nov 15 22:09 |
| MinceR | and more direct control over a number of distros | Nov 15 22:10 |
| MinceR | "code first, think later -- or never" | Nov 15 22:10 |
| oiaohm | MinceR: poettering has stuided software engineering if you look up his qualifications. | Nov 15 22:10 |
| oiaohm | Problem is poettering takes the prototype method. | Nov 15 22:10 |
| MinceR | then his educators and examiners failed horribly | Nov 15 22:11 |
| oiaohm | Not exactly. | Nov 15 22:11 |
| oiaohm | When building a prototype you make it work then sort out the details. | Nov 15 22:11 |
| MinceR | poettering's "design" (if we can call it that) shows total ignorance of fundamental principles | Nov 15 22:11 |
| MinceR | and how do you build a prototype without thinking first? | Nov 15 22:11 |
| oiaohm | Its more when do you apply the fundamental principles. | Nov 15 22:11 |
| MinceR | and why force a half-baked prototype on everyone before you've actually began to sort out the details? | Nov 15 22:12 |
| MinceR | yeah, poettering's "when" is "never" | Nov 15 22:12 |
| oiaohm | No its not never. | Nov 15 22:12 |
| MinceR | they'll abandon the project and start over (per the CADT model) before they'd get there | Nov 15 22:12 |
| MinceR | if they even could | Nov 15 22:12 |
| MinceR | https://www.jwz.org/doc/cadt.html | Nov 15 22:12 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.jwz.org | The CADT Model | Nov 15 22:12 | |
| msb_ | Interesting that at the same time, KDE4/5/Plasma was being turned into a bloated mess, possibly to push people into using systemd-dependent gnome. | Nov 15 22:13 |
| oiaohm | There is a prototype development model in old software enginering that most don't use. | Nov 15 22:13 |
| MinceR | and yet KDE5 officially depends on systemd | Nov 15 22:13 |
| oiaohm | MinceR: check again. | Nov 15 22:14 |
| MinceR | https://soylentnews.org/article.pl?sid=15/02/20/101235 | Nov 15 22:14 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-SSL connect error ( status 0 @ https://soylentnews.org/article.pl?sid=15/02/20/101235 ) | Nov 15 22:14 | |
| oiaohm | MinceR: KDE5 depends on logind | Nov 15 22:14 |
| MinceR | checked. | Nov 15 22:14 |
| MinceR | and guess what systemd-logind is a part of? | Nov 15 22:14 |
| oiaohm | No | Nov 15 22:14 |
| MinceR | yes | Nov 15 22:14 |
| oiaohm | logind code in KDE 5 is checked against BSD logind as well. | Nov 15 22:14 |
| MinceR | ooh | Nov 15 22:14 |
| MinceR | can i use bsd logind on gnu/linux? | Nov 15 22:14 |
| oiaohm | Unfortantly no. | Nov 15 22:15 |
| MinceR | with a service manager that wasn't hacked up by idiots with delusions of adequacy? | Nov 15 22:15 |
| MinceR | then why bring it up at all? | Nov 15 22:15 |
| oiaohm | why logind is that is required to wayland and x11 can run in usermode without root privilages. | Nov 15 22:15 |
| MinceR | i don't care | Nov 15 22:15 |
| MinceR | stop blowing up the system i'm using | Nov 15 22:15 |
| MinceR | stop trying to force me into using software i don't want | Nov 15 22:16 |
| msb_ | The prototype development model says make a prototype and give it to a few people to test and debug before forcing it on everyone! | Nov 15 22:16 |
| oiaohm | consolekit2 has also implemented the logind interfaces required. | Nov 15 22:16 |
| MinceR | make something worth using and i'll use it | Nov 15 22:16 |
| MinceR | isn't consolekit2 dead? | Nov 15 22:16 |
| MinceR | and yes, waylandows also depends on systemd | Nov 15 22:16 |
| oiaohm | Mincer https://github.com/ConsoleKit2/ConsoleKit2 | Nov 15 22:17 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-github.com | ConsoleKit2/ConsoleKit2 · GitHub | Nov 15 22:17 | |
| oiaohm | ConsoleKit2 is alive and well. | Nov 15 22:17 |
| oiaohm | Its the orginal consolekit that is dead. | Nov 15 22:17 |
| MinceR | also, what msb_ said. | Nov 15 22:18 |
| MinceR | looks like poettering can't even do that model right | Nov 15 22:18 |
| oiaohm | MinceR: logind is older than systemd. logind was one of the first project systemd absorbed. | Nov 15 22:18 |
| MinceR | (even if it meant "implement completely before starting to design at all") | Nov 15 22:18 |
| MinceR | (which it does not) | Nov 15 22:18 |
| MinceR | oiaohm: yay! what difference does it make? | Nov 15 22:18 |
| oiaohm | MinceR: logind interface was properly designed to solve particular problem and bsd, solaris and many others agreed to impelment. logind is all wayland and kde is depending | Nov 15 22:19 |
| MinceR | so why is the implementation broken? | Nov 15 22:19 |
| MinceR | why do we not get the choice of logind with sane init/service manager on gnu/linux? | Nov 15 22:20 |
| oiaohm | consolekit2 with any other init system other than systemd you have logind | Nov 15 22:20 |
| MinceR | why does everything around wayland, gnome and kde have to be oriented around "madhat decides what happens on your computer"? | Nov 15 22:20 |
| MinceR | why do people not realize this is the exact opposite of what free software is about? | Nov 15 22:21 |
| MinceR | only because redcrap is not called "microsoft"? | Nov 15 22:21 |
| oiaohm | msb_: the issue here is before systemd many init systems were tried prototyped even if they were techically better than sysvinit they got no where. So pushing the prototype out on everyone in the process starting to address problems that cannot be fixed in default sysvinit is the starting point. | Nov 15 22:23 |
| oiaohm | MinceR: the use of logind did come from redhat it comes from openbsd. Asking a question how in hell do we run X11 without root privillages because its a secuirty nightmare. | Nov 15 22:24 |
| msb_ | Systemd has 36Megabytes of source code, bigger than 40 fictional novels. Nobody is going to read all the updates _and_ figure out whether it will work right, which that blog post shows is pretty much impossible. So a backdoor can be hidden in the source code enabling the US government to kill nearly all computers using Linux. So when the US govt does another huge false-flag operation, like blowing off a nuke in the US and blaming it | Nov 15 22:25 |
| msb_ | on Russia, the US govt will be able to shut off most of the discussion. | Nov 15 22:25 |
| MinceR | oiaohm: does openbsd use systemd? | Nov 15 22:25 |
| oiaohm | MinceR: no they don't use systemd. But they have their own logind | Nov 15 22:25 |
| MinceR | oiaohm: so, why does logind depend on systemd on gnu/linux? | Nov 15 22:26 |
| oiaohm | MinceR: the logind in consolekit2 does not depend on systemd | Nov 15 22:26 |
| MinceR | wasn't the logind in consolekit2 a version that can do none of the thing that allegedly makes logind useful? | Nov 15 22:26 |
| MinceR | s/ng/ngs/ | Nov 15 22:26 |
| oiaohm | The first prototype of logind was for consolekit but was never merged. Because redhat started developing systemd and killed of the consolekit project. | Nov 15 22:27 |
| MinceR | why does it look more and more like gnu/linux is already hopeless? | Nov 15 22:28 |
| oiaohm | gnu/Linux world has always been like hurding cats. | Nov 15 22:30 |
| MinceR | well, now it isn't | Nov 15 22:31 |
| oiaohm | logind alteration had to happen. | Nov 15 22:31 |
| MinceR | now it's deadrat fucking up and destroying everything | Nov 15 22:31 |
| oiaohm | X11 running with full root prvillages is never been healthy. | Nov 15 22:31 |
| MinceR | neither is systemd. | Nov 15 22:31 |
| oiaohm | Before systemd we have had the X11 hairball. | Nov 15 22:32 |
| oiaohm | And we still have the X11 hairball. | Nov 15 22:32 |
| MinceR | and since we already had a hairball, that means all our software must be replaced with hairballs | Nov 15 22:32 |
| MinceR | http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/InsaneTrollLogic | Nov 15 22:32 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-tvtropes.org | Insane Troll Logic - TV Tropes [ http://ur1.ca/o9w35 ] | Nov 15 22:32 | |
| oiaohm | Remember the objective of wayland is to attempt to clean up the X11 hairball. | Nov 15 22:33 |
| MinceR | it's a pretty shitty attempt | Nov 15 22:33 |
| MinceR | considering that they have already discarded some important functionality of X11 from their target | Nov 15 22:34 |
| MinceR | their motto is "Will Never Work" | Nov 15 22:34 |
| MinceR | "X11 is unclean, so here's a block of wood, have fun playing with it" | Nov 15 22:34 |
| oiaohm | What important functionality | Nov 15 22:34 |
| MinceR | screenshots, color picking from other windows, pointer warping, pointer grabbing, server-side decorations | Nov 15 22:35 |
| oiaohm | A lot of the discarded functionality with wayland never worked. | Nov 15 22:35 |
| MinceR | modularity (as in, the display server and the window manager are not the same program) | Nov 15 22:35 |
| MinceR | i use a lot of the discarded functionality every day | Nov 15 22:35 |
| oiaohm | server-side decorations is in the protocol of wayland these days. | Nov 15 22:35 |
| MinceR | but nice try | Nov 15 22:35 |
| MinceR | yes, only in about 1 of the many implementations | Nov 15 22:36 |
| oiaohm | Remember under X11 server side decorations was optional as well. | Nov 15 22:36 |
| oiaohm | So in that regard wayland has come into alignment with X11. | Nov 15 22:37 |
| MinceR | applications doing their own decorations was rare, special and not entirely usable | Nov 15 22:37 |
| MinceR | hell, even m$ realized this was bad design and tried to hack their way around it in windows xp | Nov 15 22:37 |
| MinceR | but for ratcrap, it's The Way To Go | Nov 15 22:37 |
| MinceR | if people this stupid are in charge of IT, then IT has no future. | Nov 15 22:38 |
| oiaohm | libinput has implemented pointer warping and pointer grabbing these days. | Nov 15 22:38 |
| MinceR | finally | Nov 15 22:38 |
| MinceR | what was all the whining about how those features are evil good for? | Nov 15 22:39 |
| oiaohm | Notice something wayland is using oldschool design model of get every part right before moving on to the next list of features. | Nov 15 22:39 |
| oiaohm | And people complain about that. | Nov 15 22:39 |
| MinceR | doesn't look like they're using that model | Nov 15 22:40 |
| MinceR | they got plenty of parts wrong so far | Nov 15 22:40 |
| MinceR | and they aren't even willing to recognize that | Nov 15 22:40 |
| oiaohm | screenshots and color picking that comes down to secuirty. | Nov 15 22:40 |
| MinceR | how can you improve on a design if you won't admit it's not perfect? | Nov 15 22:40 |
| MinceR | yes, security is the excuse | Nov 15 22:40 |
| MinceR | fact is, it can't replace X11 until it can do those | Nov 15 22:40 |
| oiaohm | wayland does contain methods to screenshots and color picking. | Nov 15 22:40 |
| MinceR | and let's not act like it's impossible to select which clients get to do that | Nov 15 22:41 |
| oiaohm | Security is not exactly excuse | Nov 15 22:41 |
| MinceR | for wayland, it is | Nov 15 22:41 |
| oiaohm | trying todo copy paste secure has been more of a nightmare than screenshots and color picking. | Nov 15 22:42 |
| oiaohm | MinceR: design something secure is not exactly simple or fun. | Nov 15 22:43 |
| MinceR | so? | Nov 15 22:43 |
| oiaohm | Have you ever used X11 with extentions so you have selinux enabled. | Nov 15 22:43 |
| MinceR | probably, as i used fedora 15 for a while | Nov 15 22:44 |
| oiaohm | Its a true sport of how will the applications break today. | Nov 15 22:44 |
| MinceR | and yes, it was broken in weird ways | Nov 15 22:44 |
| oiaohm | Fedora 15 never enabled it. | Nov 15 22:44 |
| oiaohm | by default. | Nov 15 22:44 |
| oiaohm | Screen shot with the wrong applications open hello application taking screenshot terminated. | Nov 15 22:44 |
| MinceR | i thought they enabled selinux by default | Nov 15 22:45 |
| oiaohm | copy paste into wrong application application terminated | Nov 15 22:45 |
| oiaohm | Not in X11 MinceR | Nov 15 22:45 |
| msb_ | GNU/Linux is gradually being ruined by the same gang of organized ultra-wealthy psychopaths that did 9/11 and used it as the pretext to destr0y four nations, murder millions of people, and destabilize Europe with millions of Islamic refugees, some of which are ISIL/Al-Qaeda. http://cosmicpenguin.com/CauseAndCure.html http://cosmicpenguin.com/#911 Too bad that most computer people totally ignore these political realities, because | Nov 15 22:45 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-cosmicpenguin.com | THE CAUSE AND CURE OF HUMANITY'S PROBLEMS | Nov 15 22:45 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-cosmicpenguin.com | Human Society That Works For Everyone | Nov 15 22:45 | |
| msb_ | they are what's behind the destruction of FOSS. | Nov 15 22:45 |
| oiaohm | Because once you did you started tripping privilage breaches. | Nov 15 22:45 |
| oiaohm | due to X11 design. | Nov 15 22:45 |
| oiaohm | MinceR: basically wayland comes out of attempting to make something that can in fact work with security enabled. | Nov 15 22:46 |
| MinceR | that's an awfully wide definition | Nov 15 22:47 |
| MinceR | you could unplug everything and bury the computer in the sea in a block of concrete and it will be secure | Nov 15 22:48 |
| MinceR | it won't do anything for you, though | Nov 15 22:48 |
| oiaohm | MinceR: exactly the awfully wide definition is why wayland gets bogged down in arguements. | Nov 15 22:48 |
| oiaohm | Like one of the wayland arguements was how to prevent false login screens being presented to users. | Nov 15 22:49 |
| MinceR | isn't that what SAK is for? | Nov 15 22:49 |
| oiaohm | Note what you said about awfully wide definition. | Nov 15 22:50 |
| oiaohm | SAK only works if you have a keyboard/buttons. | Nov 15 22:50 |
| MinceR | the definition would be easier to handle if it specified that whatever X11 could do wayland should be able to do too | Nov 15 22:50 |
| MinceR | right | Nov 15 22:50 |
| MinceR | you could also use a LED that only shows you're getting a trustworthy whatever screen | Nov 15 22:51 |
| MinceR | (login or other) | Nov 15 22:51 |
| MinceR | or you could reserve an area of the screen, but that won't work in all applications either | Nov 15 22:51 |
| oiaohm | You are not thinking the way there were. The arguement was locked if you only had a touch screen. | Nov 15 22:52 |
| oiaohm | Does not take a very bright person to work out that arguement is not solvable. | Nov 15 22:52 |
| oiaohm | Yet it was arguemented in the mailing list for 2 and a half years. | Nov 15 22:53 |
| msb_ | FOSS is seen as a menace by the organized ultra-wealthy psychopaths because it is a revolt among the slaves -- us. It's better than the crap they're selling and we're giving it away free -- sharing it. That's what the US and the other fascist countries have been fighting against during the entire 20th century. http://cosmicpenguin.com/#American_Holocaust | Nov 15 22:53 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-cosmicpenguin.com | Human Society That Works For Everyone [ http://ur1.ca/g23vd ] | Nov 15 22:53 | |
| MinceR | there was a system that used a bar on the screen to ensure secure logins and the like | Nov 15 22:54 |
| MinceR | they could do that on a touchscreen, but it would be a pain when the user wants to watch movies on full screen | Nov 15 22:54 |
| MinceR | (they can't, in that case) | Nov 15 22:54 |
| oiaohm | You are just getting it all usage cases leaves you screwed. | Nov 15 22:54 |
| MinceR | or i can let the user/integrator/administrator decide | Nov 15 22:55 |
| MinceR | provide tools | Nov 15 22:55 |
| MinceR | mechanism, not policy | Nov 15 22:55 |
| MinceR | like X. | Nov 15 22:55 |
| oiaohm | If wayland was just reimplmenting X11 clean it would be done by now. The fact they have a strong security bent is making it take longer. | Nov 15 22:56 |
| msb_ | FOSS also enables communication among everyone on the planet, which allows us to talk about what the psychopaths are doing to us, and to broadcast that information. That severely bothers the psychopaths. Cockroaches can't stand the light. | Nov 15 22:56 |
| oiaohm | MinceR: issue with security and X11 since x11 is not designed for it putting it in latter lets loss hell. | Nov 15 22:57 |
| MinceR | x11 is still the best at what it's designed to do | Nov 15 22:57 |
| MinceR | by far | Nov 15 22:57 |
| MinceR | next to x11, all other windowing systems look like toys | Nov 15 22:57 |
| oiaohm | I would not say that. | Nov 15 22:58 |
| oiaohm | X11 has been the most compadible beast so it stayed alive even when techically better designs have been around. | Nov 15 22:58 |
| MinceR | which competitor let you replace the window manager on a running session? | Nov 15 22:59 |
| MinceR | which competitor did virtual desktops right? | Nov 15 22:59 |
| MinceR | hell, which competitor let you choose what panels you could use? | Nov 15 23:00 |
| oiaohm | Scary point is NT 3.5 had virtual desktops. | Nov 15 23:00 |
| oiaohm | Then Microsoft decided to kill the feature off. | Nov 15 23:00 |
| MinceR | which competitor let you manage the windows of frozen applications? | Nov 15 23:00 |
| MinceR | (not windows.) | Nov 15 23:00 |
| cubexyz | not windoze :) | Nov 15 23:00 |
| MinceR | also, if NT 3.5 did it like the add-ons i tried then it couldn't have worked too well | Nov 15 23:00 |
| oiaohm | beos allowed frozen application management. | Nov 15 23:00 |
| MinceR | there were plenty of unmanageable windows you couldn't get rid of | Nov 15 23:01 |
| MinceR | they were effectively present on all desktops | Nov 15 23:01 |
| oiaohm | Even os/2 allows frozen application management. | Nov 15 23:01 |
| oiaohm | but NT/ Windows did not for some reason. | Nov 15 23:01 |
| cubexyz | how about VMS? | Nov 15 23:02 |
| MinceR | the reason is that the events necessary for window management go to the event loop of the window | Nov 15 23:02 |
| MinceR | which has to run in the application | Nov 15 23:02 |
| MinceR | if the application is frozen, the event loop is frozen | Nov 15 23:02 |
| oiaohm | cubexyz: VMS is X11 | Nov 15 23:02 |
| oiaohm | That is right resizing the output. | Nov 15 23:03 |
| msb_ | Why were all the major assassinations -- John Kennedy, Robert Kennedy, Martin Luther King, John Lennon -- people who were working to free the slaves? Do you think that was just a coincidence? Why were all the researchers who investigated those assassinations smeared by the corporate media -- which are owned by the ultra-wealthy psychopaths -- as "conspiracy theorists"? | Nov 15 23:04 |
| cubexyz | oiaohm, are people still using VMS? | Nov 15 23:09 |
| oiaohm | msb_: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_assassinations more interesting to read this list and see what ones don't get the news. | Nov 15 23:09 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-en.wikipedia.org | List of assassinations - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia [ http://ur1.ca/o9w5p ] | Nov 15 23:09 | |
| oiaohm | msb_: the USA has to be one of the most likely places to end up mixed up with an assassination. | Nov 15 23:10 |
| oiaohm | cubexyz: http://www8.hp.com/au/en/products/servers/openvms/overview.html HP would have you believe so. | Nov 15 23:11 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www8.hp.com | OpenVMS Systems | Hewlett Packard Enterprise Australia [ http://ur1.ca/o9w5q ] | Nov 15 23:12 | |
| MinceR | wouldn't hp rather sell you a windows "server"? | Nov 15 23:18 |
| cubexyz | I thought Itanium died | Nov 15 23:19 |
| MinceR | it's pining for the fjords. | Nov 15 23:19 |
| cubexyz | don't have a clue what HP is up to these days | Nov 15 23:19 |
| cubexyz | oiaohm, did you know that the source code of NT 4.0 was leaked? | Nov 15 23:21 |
| cubexyz | I think there's even people building it | Nov 15 23:21 |
| cubexyz | http://www.maxhost.org/other/nt-os2.png | Nov 15 23:41 |
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| cubexyz | a pity all modern OSes are so complex | Nov 15 23:45 |
| MinceR | according to deadrat propaganda, "modern" implies complex | Nov 15 23:46 |
| MinceR | if it's not too complex to work, it's not "modern" | Nov 15 23:47 |
| schestowitz | complex means you need red hat support | Nov 15 23:56 |
| schestowitz | so you buy licensed red hat | Nov 15 23:57 |
| schestowitz | and you get access to their devs | Nov 15 23:57 |
| schestowitz | for features, support etc. | Nov 15 23:57 |
| schestowitz | and there's no way to swap broken bits | Nov 15 23:57 |
| schestowitz | to solve issues | Nov 15 23:57 |
| schestowitz | because it's just redhat's way (systemd) or the bsd way | Nov 15 23:57 |
| schestowitz | that is at least how i typically view it | Nov 15 23:57 |
| schestowitz | gives them leverage over support contracts, which is how they make money | Nov 15 23:58 |
| schestowitz | advantage over canonical/ubuntu/debian right there | Nov 15 23:58 |
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| schestowitz | calling it "free software" is a convenient way to get kdbus etc. into the core | Nov 15 23:58 |
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| oiaohm | cubexyz: Windows 2000 and NT source code leaked. | Nov 15 23:59 |
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| MinceR | and it's useless | Nov 16 00:03 |
| MinceR | and crap | Nov 16 00:03 |
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| cubexyz | I don't use Fedora much any more | Nov 16 00:07 |
| cubexyz | old Fedora like FC1 yes, I still use that | Nov 16 00:08 |
| cubexyz | one only has software freedom if they have the source code, that much is certain | Nov 16 00:10 |
| oiaohm | Its not just having the source code. | Nov 16 00:11 |
| cubexyz | but I've warned people not to get too lazy or too dependent on any one distro | Nov 16 00:11 |
| oiaohm | You do need the right to rebuild the source code as well. | Nov 16 00:11 |
| cubexyz | yes that is true | Nov 16 00:11 |
| oiaohm | now there are devices out there with full source code yet even you rebuild the source code you cannot install it because you don't have the signing key. | Nov 16 00:12 |
| oiaohm | source code is a good starting point. | Nov 16 00:12 |
| cubexyz | just remove the bits that check for the key :) | Nov 16 00:12 |
| oiaohm | cubexyz: not possible some micro processors only take correctly signed firmwares. | Nov 16 00:13 |
| cubexyz | that's why having firmware source code is so liberating | Nov 16 00:13 |
| oiaohm | And if the signed firmwares demard signed OS you are kinda screwed. | Nov 16 00:13 |
| cubexyz | the source code can't defend itself | Nov 16 00:14 |
| cubexyz | one can modify it | Nov 16 00:15 |
| oiaohm | But the hardware can. | Nov 16 00:15 |
| oiaohm | Its like current day nvidia video cards. | Nov 16 00:15 |
| oiaohm | Yes you can access the source code of the firmware but the hardware only accepts signed. | Nov 16 00:15 |
| cubexyz | what hardware is this? | Nov 16 00:16 |
| oiaohm | Particular arm cpu's. current generation Nvidia GPU,s and the list goes on. | Nov 16 00:17 |
| oiaohm | Older Nvidia gpus you could build the firmware for the GPU from source and use it. | Nov 16 00:18 |
| cubexyz | that really does sound like the war on general computing | Nov 16 00:19 |
| MinceR | thus ends the age of the general-purpose computer | Nov 16 00:19 |
| cubexyz | well, it does end it... but it makes me very wary to be sure | Nov 16 00:19 |
| cubexyz | s/does/doesn't/ | Nov 16 00:19 |
| cubexyz | after all, all the pre-locked down hardware still exists | Nov 16 00:20 |
| oiaohm | http://www.slideshare.net/codeblue_jp/igor-skochinsky-enpub This is extreamly fun. | Nov 16 00:20 |
| cubexyz | stuff like this makes me want to buy a microvax or something | Nov 16 00:20 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.slideshare.net | Secret of Intel Management Engine by Igor Skochinsky | Nov 16 00:21 | |
| oiaohm | Most people are not aware the ME chip can in fact delete all connected harddrives. | Nov 16 00:21 |
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| cubexyz | oiaohm, when did ME first appear? | Nov 16 00:23 |
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| cubexyz | and I assume there's a way to turn it off | Nov 16 00:24 |
| oiaohm | No ME chip no computer boot. | Nov 16 00:25 |
| MinceR | makes me glad there's no ME in the raspberry pi :> | Nov 16 00:25 |
| oiaohm | ME chip appears when we get Processor chips needing microcode to work. | Nov 16 00:25 |
| cubexyz | ok, let me put this another way... | Nov 16 00:27 |
| oiaohm | Chromium Embedded Controller (EC) Development is what google uses instead of Intel ME. | Nov 16 00:27 |
| cubexyz | how far back does one need to go to avoid Intel ME chip? | Nov 16 00:27 |
| cubexyz | P4? P3? Pentium Pro? | Nov 16 00:28 |
| oiaohm | ME chip starts as a power management chip doing acpi. | Nov 16 00:28 |
| cubexyz | or would you recommend switching to AMD as an alternative? | Nov 16 00:28 |
| MinceR | the slideshow says the ME was originally on the network card | Nov 16 00:29 |
| oiaohm | MinceR: that is correct. acpi 1996 is when it appears as part of motherboards. | Nov 16 00:31 |
| cubexyz | ok, I have one chromebook | Nov 16 00:31 |
| cubexyz | at least the google people are working with the coreboot people, that's something | Nov 16 00:32 |
| MinceR | looks like the rpi2 is easily more powerful than the last intel cpu you could use without an ME | Nov 16 00:32 |
| MinceR | i wonder what's up on the AMD side, though | Nov 16 00:32 |
| oiaohm | ME/EC/something. | Nov 16 00:33 |
| oiaohm | I cannot remember what AMD one is called. | Nov 16 00:33 |
| cubexyz | there's that DASH thing | Nov 16 00:33 |
| cubexyz | AMD has a version of it | Nov 16 00:33 |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Android Wear update to version 1.4 adds support | Nov 16 00:33 |
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| cubexyz | what exactly is the ME chip? | Nov 16 00:34 |
| cubexyz | is it inside the CPU? | Nov 16 00:35 |
| MinceR | well, the slideshow says it was part of stuff that became the northbridge | Nov 16 00:35 |
| MinceR | and apparently cpus with integrated gpus tend to have all the northbridge functionality built-in | Nov 16 00:36 |
| MinceR | but i don't really know | Nov 16 00:36 |
| MinceR | actually it says it was moved to PCH and then MCH | Nov 16 00:37 |
| MinceR | https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Platform_Controller_Hub | Nov 16 00:37 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-en.wikipedia.org | Platform Controller Hub - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia | Nov 16 00:37 | |
| MinceR | this looks like it _might_ be outside the cpu | Nov 16 00:37 |
| cubexyz | the thing is, I remember that older motherboards didn't even have ACPI... they had APM I think | Nov 16 00:38 |
| MinceR | and there were mainboards before APM even existed :> | Nov 16 00:38 |
| cubexyz | I assume if one has a computer with APM then they don't have the Intel ME stuff | Nov 16 00:38 |
| oiaohm | cubexyz: ME chip is a physical chip on the motherboard outside the CPU | Nov 16 00:38 |
| MinceR | and then wikipedia redirects from MCH to northbridge | Nov 16 00:38 |
| cubexyz | confusing | Nov 16 00:38 |
| MinceR | indeed | Nov 16 00:38 |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Sunday Debate: How Can Android Wear Capture the | Nov 16 00:38 |
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| oiaohm | MinceR: Its not in the Platform Controller Hub | Nov 16 00:39 |
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| oiaohm | MinceR: remember CE by google in chromebooks is used to replace the ME chip with code Google trusts. | Nov 16 00:39 |
| MinceR | then slide 4 is wrong :> | Nov 16 00:40 |
| MinceR | ic | Nov 16 00:40 |
| MinceR | and what sort of nastiness does google's version contain? | Nov 16 00:40 |
| cubexyz | I think even the zaurus had acpi | Nov 16 00:40 |
| oiaohm | MinceR: google gives you the complete source code. | Nov 16 00:41 |
| cubexyz | EC code is in coreboot | Nov 16 00:41 |
| cubexyz | you need that for any laptop (I think) | Nov 16 00:41 |
| oiaohm | https://www.chromium.org/chromium-os/ec-development | Nov 16 00:43 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.chromium.org | Chromium Embedded Controller (EC) Development - The Chromium Projects | Nov 16 00:43 | |
| oiaohm | cubexyz: EC code for chromebooks is hosted in github. | Nov 16 00:43 |
| oiaohm | As well as googles own storage. | Nov 16 00:44 |
| oiaohm | cubexyz: issue here is intel ME is signed these days. | Nov 16 00:44 |
| oiaohm | So you cannot use your own but have to use intel own made versions. | Nov 16 00:44 |
| oiaohm | The result due to bugs in intel own ME code was google made EC | Nov 16 00:45 |
| oiaohm | MinceR: google version stock does not contain the nasties Intel ME code does. Like Google EC no build in anti-theif tech to trigger system todo nasty things to itself. | Nov 16 00:47 |
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| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Solus Gets GNOME 3.18 Packages and Support for | Nov 16 00:49 |
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| oiaohm | MinceR: google with their EC and firmware uses physical hardware read only switch methods as protection instead of signing. | Nov 16 00:52 |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Wine Announcement https://t.co/o2JvvloDXZ | Nov 16 00:52 |
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| MinceR | nice | Nov 16 00:52 |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Wow, this Android phone is stupid cheap | Nov 16 00:52 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-thenextweb.com | Wow, this Android phone is stupid cheap | Nov 16 00:52 | |
| oiaohm | MinceR: so people with direct access to hardware and a tollerance to do phsysical modification can run their own versions. | Nov 16 00:52 |
| cubexyz | yes, we can build are own firmware | Nov 16 00:53 |
| cubexyz | s/are/our/ | Nov 16 00:53 |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Ubuntu Has a Cool Option to Change the Volume | Nov 16 00:53 |
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| MinceR | so i can use the last thinkpad x-series with legacy boot until chromebooks exceed it in power :> | Nov 16 00:53 |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines "release and immediate availability for | Nov 16 00:53 |
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| oiaohm | The problem I have is signed firmware is to allow vendor to update the firmware securely without requiring user todo anything. | Nov 16 00:55 |
| oiaohm | but its like all things who holds the keys decides how safe you are. | Nov 16 00:55 |
| oiaohm | Personally I believe any hardware you own. You should have the means to replace signing keys with your own keys if you wish of course hardware maker should have right to void warnatiy if you do. | Nov 16 00:57 |
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| cubexyz | but google did use coreboot as a starting point for their bios? | Nov 16 01:15 |
| oiaohm | True yes google core firmware is related to coreboot. | Nov 16 01:17 |
| oiaohm | Coreboot can used Intel ME stuff. | Nov 16 01:17 |
| oiaohm | Really there is very little reason for bios code to be that hidden. | Nov 16 01:18 |
| oiaohm | Or init hardware code to be that hidden. | Nov 16 01:18 |
| cubexyz | ha, name one computer than comes with BIOS source code | Nov 16 01:18 |
| oiaohm | Its not like the code is any use without the physical hardware. | Nov 16 01:18 |
| oiaohm | cubexyz: chromebooks. | Nov 16 01:18 |
| cubexyz | I don't think I've ever seen even one | Nov 16 01:18 |
| cubexyz | oiaohm, git checkout maybe, but on the SSD? no | Nov 16 01:19 |
| cubexyz | a minor quibble | Nov 16 01:20 |
| oiaohm | Developer edition chromebooks that google has handed out. | Nov 16 01:20 |
| oiaohm | Came with a DVD with the source code on it. | Nov 16 01:20 |
| oiaohm | Funny was the machine as no DVD drive. | Nov 16 01:20 |
| cubexyz | that is funny | Nov 16 01:20 |
| cubexyz | but I assume one could buy a USB DVD drive | Nov 16 01:21 |
| oiaohm | The killer is the kernel in that chromebook had been build without the cd/dvd driver | Nov 16 01:22 |
| oiaohm | So even pluging in a USB DVD drive was a no go. | Nov 16 01:22 |
| cubexyz | so there's no chromebook with a DVD drive? | Nov 16 01:22 |
| oiaohm | cubexyz: no chromebook with build in DVD drive | Nov 16 01:23 |
| oiaohm | Of course newer editions of the firmware now do include the driver so you can use a usb dvd drive. | Nov 16 01:24 |
| cubexyz | does google update the kernel remotely? | Nov 16 01:25 |
| cubexyz | I mean they probably could... | Nov 16 01:25 |
| oiaohm | chromebooks do get software updates include kernels. | Nov 16 01:26 |
| cubexyz | I don't suppose I could boot into a live cd on a chromebook | Nov 16 01:26 |
| oiaohm | live usb yes | Nov 16 01:27 |
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| oiaohm | cubexyz: http://www.pcworld.com/article/2873561/google-just-made-it-easier-to-run-linux-on-your-chromebook.html | Nov 16 01:33 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.pcworld.com | Google just made it easier to run Linux on your Chromebook | PCWorld | Nov 16 01:33 | |
| oiaohm | Still I find it annoying that a chromebook cannot boot usb without enabling developer mode. | Nov 16 01:33 |
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| cubexyz | doesn't surprise me | Nov 16 01:34 |
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| cubexyz | ha, I was just reading that article | Nov 16 01:34 |
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| cubexyz | know know oiaohm, one thing I found interesting was the short gap of time between windows 2000 and windows xp | Nov 16 02:47 |
| cubexyz | win2k was released in dec 1999 | Nov 16 02:47 |
| cubexyz | winxp was oct 2001 | Nov 16 02:48 |
| cubexyz | not even 2 years later | Nov 16 02:48 |
| cubexyz | then 5 years later Visa comes out | Nov 16 02:48 |
| cubexyz | I stopped using windows a long time ago... around 2003 | Nov 16 03:04 |
| cubexyz | one thing I've noticed is that it's become a rather heavy OS | Nov 16 03:04 |
| cubexyz | always bogged down with anti-virus and whatever svchost.exe does | Nov 16 03:07 |
| MinceR | https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Svchost.exe | Nov 16 03:09 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-en.wikipedia.org | svchost.exe - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia | Nov 16 03:09 | |
| MinceR | yet another in a long series of braindead hacks to work around design flaws | Nov 16 03:09 |
| cubexyz | did NT 4.0 have svchost.exe? | Nov 16 03:10 |
| MinceR | svchost process was introduced in Windows 2000,[5] although the underlying support for shared service processes has existed since Windows NT 3.1.[2] | Nov 16 03:10 |
| MinceR | s/^/The/ | Nov 16 03:10 |
| cubexyz | ok, so no | Nov 16 03:10 |
| MinceR | i really hate programs that decide that doubleclick-drag select starts in a different position when you're not looking | Nov 16 03:10 |
| MinceR | i can't fathom what this braindead behavior is possibly useful for, other than screwing with the user | Nov 16 03:11 |
| cubexyz | what are you trying to do? | Nov 16 03:11 |
| MinceR | i tried to copy that sentence from iceweasel, including "The " | Nov 16 03:11 |
| MinceR | and when i was selecting the end of the sentence, it decided it will leave "The" out of the selection because fuck me | Nov 16 03:12 |
| MinceR | and it can't even be reproduced reliably | Nov 16 03:12 |
| MinceR | what a load of shit | Nov 16 03:12 |
| cubexyz | sometimes clipboarding from the text console can be problematic | Nov 16 03:13 |
| cubexyz | e.g. from within vim | Nov 16 03:13 |
| MinceR | i pretty much only use the text console for troubleshooting | Nov 16 03:14 |
| cubexyz | I don't think firefox has a clipboarding problem though | Nov 16 03:14 |
| MinceR | and in the future, probably for logging in, startx and maybe vlock | Nov 16 03:14 |
| cubexyz | the odd thing is when I'm sshing into another system and then using vim clipboarding works | Nov 16 03:15 |
| cubexyz | it's only when I'm trying to use the local system that it's a bit awkward | Nov 16 03:15 |
| MinceR | what is the symptom you experience? | Nov 16 03:17 |
| cubexyz | it's a very minor quibble really | Nov 16 03:18 |
| cubexyz | when I'm in X, I have a habit of highlighting then right-clicking then copy | Nov 16 03:18 |
| cubexyz | but really I don't need to | Nov 16 03:19 |
| cubexyz | so it's just that in vim the process feels different | Nov 16 03:19 |
| MinceR | does it have mouse support? | Nov 16 03:19 |
| cubexyz | there's no drag of the lighted area in vim | Nov 16 03:20 |
| cubexyz | it just lights up at the end... it's just a minor difference | Nov 16 03:20 |
| cubexyz | MinceR, yes | Nov 16 03:20 |
| MinceR | maybe that's what's interfering | Nov 16 03:21 |
| MinceR | have you tried holding shift while you do the whole selection thing? | Nov 16 03:21 |
| cubexyz | the copy part is really superfluous | Nov 16 03:21 |
| cubexyz | no, it _works_ it just felt different :) | Nov 16 03:22 |
| MinceR | :) | Nov 16 03:22 |
| MinceR | i think the right click thing was meant to be used with a left click to set the other end of the region | Nov 16 03:22 |
| cubexyz | the thing is the gradually hilight works as expected when I'm sshing into another computer so the local vim highlighting feels different | Nov 16 03:23 |
| cubexyz | it's a subtle thing | Nov 16 03:23 |
| cubexyz | e.g. cursor is at end of line, hold down left-mouse button drag... | Nov 16 03:24 |
| cubexyz | it's instanta-highlighted at the end of the process | Nov 16 03:24 |
| cubexyz | not gradual... how is that for picky? :) | Nov 16 03:24 |
| cubexyz | probaby why windows users don't like Linux, it's different enough to bug them | Nov 16 03:25 |
| cubexyz | one customer is completely awed by my use of the command line | Nov 16 03:25 |
| cubexyz | it's like the 4th dimension to him or something | Nov 16 03:26 |
| cubexyz | he's like... to you think I could learn the command line? | Nov 16 03:26 |
| cubexyz | s/to/do/ | Nov 16 03:26 |
| cubexyz | I live at the command line a lot, but I can see that's atypical | Nov 16 03:27 |
| cubexyz | and once I showed them BIOS source code... it was too much for them to handle | Nov 16 03:28 |
| cubexyz | I think one really does develop stronger mental abilities when using Linux/BSD compared to dumbed-down windows and mac | Nov 16 03:30 |
| cubexyz | ok, here is why I am on the console so much: | Nov 16 03:31 |
| cubexyz | http://www.maxhost.org/other/konsole-command-central.png | Nov 16 03:31 |
| cubexyz | I'm controlling a bunch of computers via ssh | Nov 16 03:32 |
| cubexyz | I got q4os for trinity, openbsd for bsd, server for old fedora, and vector for vector linux | Nov 16 03:33 |
| cubexyz | acer is another laptop for extra storage | Nov 16 03:33 |
| MinceR | or one needs to stop being afraid of technology and start being willing to learn | Nov 16 03:34 |
| cubexyz | I fixed my first microwave oven this year :) | Nov 16 03:34 |
| MinceR | people use their most complex, most powerful machinery and expect to do so without learning anything about how to use it whatsoever | Nov 16 03:34 |
| cubexyz | right | Nov 16 03:35 |
| cubexyz | just like we are lacking in botanical knowledge since we often buy processed food | Nov 16 03:42 |
| cubexyz | or even worse, fast food | Nov 16 03:42 |
| MinceR | dunno, my food is pretty slow when it's on my plate :> | Nov 16 03:43 |
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| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines GNOME's Nautilus File Manager Now Shows SD | Nov 16 03:55 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | GNOME's Nautilus File Manager Now Shows SD Cards and External Drives in the Sidebar | Tux Machines | Nov 16 03:56 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Linux 4.4-rc1 https://t.co/JXdH7StTZi | Nov 16 03:56 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Linux 4.4-rc1 | Tux Machines | Nov 16 03:56 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines KDE Plasma 5.4.3, KDE Apps 15.08.3 and KDE | Nov 16 03:56 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | KDE Plasma 5.4.3, KDE Apps 15.08.3 and KDE Frameworks 5.16.0 Are Now in Chakra GNU/Linux | Tux Machines | Nov 16 03:56 | |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Chapeau 23 Beta is here | Tux Machines | Nov 16 03:56 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Birds Linux 6.0 Is a Distro for Students | Nov 16 03:56 |
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| oiaohm | cubexyz reason for the short gap between 2000 and XP is the fact windows ME was not meant to exist and it was the compadiblity system on 2000 that required a rework. XP contains the reworked version. | Nov 16 04:38 |
| oiaohm | cubexyz: if you want short development Windows ME goes from no existing product to shelfs to on sale in 8 months kinda explains why it was such a lemon. | Nov 16 04:43 |
| cubexyz | what was the idea behind windows me? It seemed useless | Nov 16 04:52 |
| cubexyz | why bother with ME at all when one could just use win2k? | Nov 16 04:57 |
| cubexyz | I guess it was sort of a stop gap between win2k and xp | Nov 16 04:59 |
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| cubexyz | cd | Nov 16 06:19 |
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| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Heal Thyself: Medical & Health Related FOSS | Nov 16 06:22 |
| TweetTuxMachines | https://t.co/Ban8npueft (www.tuxmachines.org) | Nov 16 06:22 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Heal Thyself: Medical & Health Related FOSS | Tux Machines | Nov 16 06:22 | |
| oiaohm | cubexyz: Windows ME was attempted stop gap. Windows 2000 was meant to be able to run everything. Problem is lot of old 95-98 programs would not run under 2000. So not to loss market ME was made. | Nov 16 06:24 |
| oiaohm | cubexyz: really Microsoft should have just made Windows SE with a few more seviece packs until XP release. | Nov 16 06:24 |
| oiaohm | ie SE Windows 98 second edition. | Nov 16 06:24 |
| oiaohm | What broke ME was attempting to take features from 2000 and have them run on a 9x system. | Nov 16 06:25 |
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| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Leaping in a new direction with openSUSE 42.1 | Nov 16 09:26 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-distrowatch.com | DistroWatch.com: Put the fun back into computing. Use Linux, BSD. | Nov 16 09:26 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Linux 4.4-rc1 https://t.co/KPyhQxrRem | Nov 16 09:26 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-lkml.iu.edu | Linux-Kernel Archive: Linux 4.4-rc1 | Nov 16 09:26 | |
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| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines GNOME's Nautilus File Manager Now Shows SD | Nov 16 09:29 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Cards and External Drives in the Sidebar | Nov 16 09:29 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-news.softpedia.com | GNOME's Nautilus File Manager Now Shows SD Cards and External Drives in the Sidebar - Softpedia | Nov 16 09:29 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines 4MLinux 15.0 GNU/Linux Distribution is Now in | Nov 16 09:31 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Beta, Based on Linux Kernel 4.1 LTS | Nov 16 09:31 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-news.softpedia.com | 4MLinux 15.0 GNU/Linux Distribution Is Now in Beta, Based on Linux Kernel 4.1 LTS - Softpedia | Nov 16 09:31 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines KDE Plasma 5.4.3, KDE Apps 15.08.3 and KDE | Nov 16 09:32 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Frameworks 5.16.0 Are Now in Chakra GNU/Linux | Nov 16 09:32 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-linux.softpedia.com | KDE Plasma 5.4.3, KDE Apps 15.08.3 and KDE Frameworks 5.16.0 Are Now in Chakra GNU/Linux - Softpedia | Nov 16 09:32 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Chapeau 23 Beta is here https://t.co/n57u43Xcss | Nov 16 09:32 |
| TweetTuxMachines | (chapeaulinux.org) "built from Fedora | Nov 16 09:32 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Workstation 23" | Nov 16 09:32 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-chapeaulinux.org | Chapeau 23 Beta is here | Chapeau | Nov 16 09:32 | |
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| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Birds Linux 6.0 Is a Distro for Students | Nov 16 10:20 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Featuring KDE Plasma 5.4.3 | Nov 16 10:20 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-linux.softpedia.com | Birds Linux 6.0 Is a Distro for Students Featuring KDE Plasma 5.4.3 - Softpedia | Nov 16 10:20 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Vendetta Online 3D Space Combat MMO Game to | Nov 16 10:20 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Feature Next-Gen Oculus Rift Support | Nov 16 10:20 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-news.softpedia.com | Vendetta Online 3D Space Combat MMO Game to Feature Next-Gen Oculus Rift Support - Softpedia | Nov 16 10:20 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Ubuntu Team Needs a Cat to Replicate Important | Nov 16 10:21 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Bug https://t.co/UIZCfjIets | Nov 16 10:21 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-news.softpedia.com | Ubuntu Team Needs a Cat to Replicate Important Bug - Softpedia | Nov 16 10:21 | |
| schestowitz | [06:19] <cubexyz> cd | Nov 16 10:26 |
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| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Leaping in a new direction with openSUSE 42.1 | Nov 16 11:44 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Leaping in a new direction with openSUSE 42.1 | Tux Machines | Nov 16 11:44 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines New in Slackware https://t.co/A8oHmhBdOH | Nov 16 11:44 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | New in Slackware | Tux Machines | Nov 16 11:44 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Voice of the Masses: Are rolling releases the | Nov 16 11:44 |
| TweetTuxMachines | future of distros? https://t.co/NozW6hVZm4 | Nov 16 11:44 |
| TweetTuxMachines | (www.linuxvoice.com) | Nov 16 11:44 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.linuxvoice.com | Voice of the Masses: Are rolling releases the future of distros? | Linux Voice | Nov 16 11:45 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines The great game of open source hide and seek | Nov 16 11:45 |
| TweetTuxMachines | https://t.co/fWwdlWVhrm (www.tuxmachines.org) | Nov 16 11:45 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | The great game of open source hide and seek | Tux Machines | Nov 16 11:45 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Red Hat News https://t.co/GOfuVp7rF0 | Nov 16 11:45 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Red Hat News | Tux Machines | Nov 16 11:45 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines today's howtos https://t.co/yL8eHx5gth | Nov 16 11:45 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | today's howtos | Tux Machines | Nov 16 11:45 | |
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| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines New Releases https://t.co/plFgNGDvHz | Nov 16 12:54 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | New Releases | Tux Machines | Nov 16 12:54 | |
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| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines CHIP is the cheaper competitor to the Rasberry | Nov 16 13:10 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Pi https://t.co/VFjdd0Eil5 (www.chris-shaw.com) | Nov 16 13:10 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-SSL connect error ( status 0 @ https://www.chris-shaw.com/b/CHIP-is-the-cheaper-competitor-to-the-Rasberry-Pi ) | Nov 16 13:10 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Leftovers: Software https://t.co/C6lxgU9iZ0 | Nov 16 14:32 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Leftovers: Software | Tux Machines | Nov 16 14:32 | |
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| MinceR | http://s4.legalinsurrection.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/11/Safe-Space-600-LI.jpg | Nov 16 16:36 |
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| r_schestowitz | two new people started following me today, both women, both work for red hat, both marketing | Nov 16 17:41 |
| r_schestowitz | so i have a theory about why.. | Nov 16 17:41 |
| r_schestowitz | maybe they talk about techrights at the offices | Nov 16 17:41 |
| r_schestowitz | their engineers check my profile in linkedin too | Nov 16 17:41 |
| r_schestowitz | and they'll try to sweet-talk me into being nice to red hat | Nov 16 17:42 |
| r_schestowitz | we shall see | Nov 16 17:42 |
| MinceR | or something more sinister | Nov 16 17:44 |
| r_schestowitz | unlikely | Nov 16 17:45 |
| r_schestowitz | you read my articles | Nov 16 17:45 |
| r_schestowitz | you also saw some internal comms with them | Nov 16 17:45 |
| r_schestowitz | they probably worry I'll set up a petition | Nov 16 17:46 |
| r_schestowitz | or talk to RMS about it | Nov 16 17:46 |
| r_schestowitz | (which might happen soon anyway) | Nov 16 17:46 |
| r_schestowitz | they saw what I did to Novell a decade ago | Nov 16 17:46 |
| r_schestowitz | it helped red hat a lot at the time | Nov 16 17:46 |
| r_schestowitz | and some big employees of their supported me in the sense that they linked to it | Nov 16 17:47 |
| MinceR | well, it would be nice if RMS returned to free software | Nov 16 17:49 |
| r_schestowitz | well... | Nov 16 17:49 |
| r_schestowitz | that's a whole another subject | Nov 16 17:49 |
| r_schestowitz | and would include speaking out about systemd | Nov 16 17:49 |
| r_schestowitz | His and his satellites receive money from Red Hat | Nov 16 17:50 |
| r_schestowitz | so risky to criticise | Nov 16 17:50 |
| r_schestowitz | they hardly did much to criticise Novell, either | Nov 16 17:50 |
| r_schestowitz | and worse so with the Linux Foundation | Nov 16 17:50 |
| MinceR | but at least they did something | Nov 16 17:50 |
| r_schestowitz | very much in bed with Novell | Nov 16 17:50 |
| r_schestowitz | and increasingly with MS too | Nov 16 17:50 |
| MinceR | now they just pretend free software was just open source all along | Nov 16 17:50 |
| r_schestowitz | https://twitter.com/cmal_PP/status/666310855945003008 | Nov 16 17:54 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@cmal_PP: @schestowitz WTF? What the hell is wrong with you for sharing such racist and misogynist bullshit? | Nov 16 17:54 | |
| r_schestowitz | I don't think some people get the point of it. It's criticism of censorship or bogus 'free speech' | Nov 16 17:54 |
| r_schestowitz | MinceR: is that right? The cartoon? | Nov 16 17:56 |
| r_schestowitz | Or did I too misinterpret it? | Nov 16 17:56 |
| MinceR | it hurts the SJWs | Nov 16 17:56 |
| MinceR | as it should | Nov 16 17:57 |
| r_schestowitz | Ah, I saw it differently | Nov 16 17:57 |
| r_schestowitz | But I generally support some of these causes | Nov 16 17:57 |
| r_schestowitz | I don't think they need a "free speech" zone | Nov 16 17:57 |
| r_schestowitz | nor should they infiltrate FOSS | Nov 16 17:57 |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Compilers https://t.co/N03NlV92MT | Nov 16 18:12 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Compilers | Tux Machines | Nov 16 18:12 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Hyperdrive Massacre, A Local Multiplayer | Nov 16 18:12 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Frag-fest Now On SteamOS & Linux | Nov 16 18:12 |
| TweetTuxMachines | https://t.co/mPUh2UAF7n (www.gamingonlinux.com) | Nov 16 18:12 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.gamingonlinux.com | Hyperdrive Massacre, A Local Multiplayer Frag-fest Now On SteamOS & Linux | GamingOnLinux | Nov 16 18:12 | |
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| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Age Of Fear: The Undead King & Age Of Fear 2: | Nov 16 18:32 |
| TweetTuxMachines | The Chaos Lord Now On SteamOS & Linux | Nov 16 18:32 |
| TweetTuxMachines | https://t.co/6iAkd7HFdn (www.gamingonlinux.com) | Nov 16 18:32 |
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| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Linux Mint 17.3 beta is out, but no | Nov 16 18:32 |
| TweetTuxMachines | announcement in the site yet. | Nov 16 18:32 |
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| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Screenlocker integration in KWin Wayland | Nov 16 18:32 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.gamingonlinux.com | Age Of Fear: The Undead King & Age Of Fear 2: The Chaos Lord Now On SteamOS & Linux | GamingOnLinux | Nov 16 18:32 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | https://t.co/C3aIxXQal2 (bhush9.github.io) | Nov 16 18:32 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-bhush9.github.io | Screenlocker integration in KWin Wayland | Nov 16 18:32 | |
| r_schestowitz | https://twitter.com/agente_smithe/status/666322532556013568 | Nov 16 18:33 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@agente_smithe: @schestowitz Oh, boy, and I thought it was more things related to Paris attacks... ;-D | Nov 16 18:33 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines StarBreak, A Co-op Roguelike MMO Action | Nov 16 18:39 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Platformer Coming To Linux | Nov 16 18:39 |
| TweetTuxMachines | https://t.co/RBqYr1qZnc (www.gamingonlinux.com) | Nov 16 18:39 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.gamingonlinux.com | StarBreak, A Co-op Roguelike MMO Action Platformer Coming To Linux | GamingOnLinux | Nov 16 18:39 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines FortressCraft Evolved Exits Early Access, | Nov 16 18:39 |
| TweetTuxMachines | SteamOS & Linux Now Fully Supported, But Buggy | Nov 16 18:39 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.gamingonlinux.com | FortressCraft Evolved Exits Early Access, SteamOS & Linux Now Fully Supported, But Buggy | GamingOnLinux | Nov 16 18:39 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines My mom requests a Linux computer | Nov 16 18:39 |
| TweetTuxMachines | https://t.co/Wql2LGHgKr (opensource.com) | Nov 16 18:39 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-opensource.com | My Linux Story: David Both's mother | Opensource.com | Nov 16 18:39 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines "This malware relies on a security hole in the | Nov 16 18:53 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Magento web e-commerce platform, not Linux." | Nov 16 18:53 |
| TweetTuxMachines | https://t.co/v4Vrv5miRl (www.zdnet.com) | Nov 16 18:53 |
| TweetTuxMachines | exactly! | Nov 16 18:53 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.zdnet.com | How to easily defeat Linux Encoder ransomware | ZDNet | Nov 16 18:53 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Rancher Corrals Docker Containers | Nov 16 18:53 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.serverwatch.com | Rancher Corrals Docker Containers | Nov 16 18:53 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Minibian "Jessie" Is a Small and Powerful OS | Nov 16 18:53 |
| TweetTuxMachines | for All Existing Raspberry Pi Versions | Nov 16 18:53 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-news.softpedia.com | Minibian "Jessie" Is a Small and Powerful OS for All Existing Raspberry Pi Versions - Softpedia | Nov 16 18:53 | |
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| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines My mom requests a Linux computer | Nov 16 18:54 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | My mom requests a Linux computer | Tux Machines | Nov 16 18:54 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines How to easily defeat Linux Encoder ransomware | Nov 16 18:54 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | How to easily defeat Linux Encoder ransomware | Tux Machines | Nov 16 18:54 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Linux: Kernel, Foundation/OpenHPC | Nov 16 18:54 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Linux: Kernel, Foundation/OpenHPC | Tux Machines | Nov 16 18:54 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Minibian "Jessie" Is a Small and Powerful OS | Nov 16 18:55 |
| TweetTuxMachines | for All Existing Raspberry Pi Versions | Nov 16 18:55 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Minibian "Jessie" Is a Small and Powerful OS for All Existing Raspberry Pi Versions | Tux Machines | Nov 16 18:55 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Distros News https://t.co/RFmAW1paJK | Nov 16 18:55 |
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| *TweetTuxMachines @softpedialinux favourited 'Minibian "Jessie" Is a Small and Powerful OS...' | Nov 16 19:34 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Valve Brings Open Source Steam Machine Gaming | Nov 16 19:34 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Consoles to Market https://t.co/cMh3UBLtFN | Nov 16 19:34 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-thevarguy.com | Valve Brings Open Source Steam Machine Gaming Consoles to Market | Open Source Application Software Companies content from The VAR Guy | Nov 16 19:34 | |
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| r_schestowitz | https://twitter.com/retroDoomer/status/666332379473055744 | Nov 16 19:42 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@retroDoomer: @schestowitz err.... Pardon? Seriously? | Nov 16 19:42 | |
| r_schestowitz | Doesn't bode well with the patent agreement | Nov 16 19:42 |
| r_schestowitz | https://twitter.com/retroDoomer/status/666333406834245632 | Nov 16 19:43 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@retroDoomer: @golbigboss another one, along with Origin PC. https://t.co/jIH4A2rwhq | Nov 16 19:43 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz: Is the #fud against #steamos working? https://t.co/W5lqZBnkLc https://t.co/HCwN5pwkxY | Nov 16 19:43 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Top Challenges for Desktop Linux | Nov 16 19:43 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.datamation.com | Top Challenges for Desktop Linux - Datamation | Nov 16 19:43 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines My Thoughts On SteamOS After Some Time With It | Nov 16 19:43 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.gamingonlinux.com | My Thoughts On SteamOS After Some Time With It | GamingOnLinux | Nov 16 19:43 | |
| r_schestowitz | https://joindiaspora.com/posts/6822150 | Nov 16 20:29 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: "Palm oil and paper pulp companies illegally set fire to forests to clear land" http://phys.org/news/2015-11-vast-forest-indonesia-spawn-ecological.html #indonesia (and S.E.A.) meets #capitalism | Nov 16 20:29 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights--> phys.org | Vast forest fires in Indonesia spawn ecological disaster [ http://ur1.ca/oa05a ] | Nov 16 20:29 | |
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| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Links 16/11/2015: Linux 4.4 RC1, DockerConEU | Nov 16 20:31 |
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| *Topic for #techrights set by schestowitz!~schestowi@unaffiliated/schestowitz at Sat Jun 9 18:16:19 2012 | Nov 16 21:22 | |
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| r_schestowitz | https://twitter.com/retroDoomer/status/666365500159455232 | Nov 16 21:23 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@retroDoomer: @schestowitz not at all. | Nov 16 21:23 | |
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| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Links 16/11/2015: Linux 4.4 RC1, DockerConEU | Nov 16 21:37 |
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| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines CoreOS and Docker https://t.co/HFXBtPvaqO | Nov 16 21:37 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Leftovers: OSS | Tux Machines | Nov 16 21:55 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Leftovers: Gaming https://t.co/cf4M5ieSEx | Nov 16 21:55 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Leftovers: Gaming | Tux Machines | Nov 16 21:55 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines today's leftovers https://t.co/pHfvh1gXGK | Nov 16 21:55 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | today's leftovers | Tux Machines | Nov 16 21:55 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines TPP Harmful To Open Source | Nov 16 21:56 |
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| amarsh04 | just an observation - if you are regularly building Linus' git head kernels for better support of new hardware, try to also test the kernels with the oldest hardware that you are running. Sometimes old things that worked break with new releases and the sooner that the problem is reported, the less broken code remains | Nov 16 22:09 |
| schestowitz | Still waiting for answers from Red Hat http://techrights.org/2015/11/16/microsoft-and-redhat-deal/ | Nov 16 22:12 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Red Hat-Microsoft Deal Increasingly Resembles Novell-Microsoft Deal (Including Patent Aspects) | Techrights [ http://ur1.ca/oa0l9 ] | Nov 16 22:12 | |
| schestowitz | Jan: "Funny thing is I don't remember you being that fanatic about the Novell or Canonical deal with Microsoft." | Nov 16 22:33 |
| schestowitz | I did write about it critically, but there was no patent aspect involved. The patent aspect is the main contention point. | Nov 16 22:33 |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/drtocqueville/status/666384735975927809 | Nov 16 22:49 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@drtocqueville: @rj_gallagher @schestowitz https://t.co/pSZDlAATWw | Nov 16 22:49 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@drtocqueville: @rj_gallagher @schestowitz https://t.co/pSZDlAATWw | Nov 16 22:49 | |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/nedlyx/status/666385403113525248 | Nov 16 22:49 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@nedlyx: A Y F K M ? thanks I won't expect any thanks in return! https://t.co/02vj3aWRLV | Nov 16 22:49 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz: Just like Bali, Boston, Madrid, London, NYC, etc. https://t.co/JWUz0MRSlT always blame your critic? | Nov 16 22:49 | |
| schestowitz | Jan (redhat): "Seriously? One gave all patents to whatever shell company and the other signed a deal." | Nov 16 22:51 |
| schestowitz | "We didn't sign a deal." | Nov 16 22:51 |
| schestowitz | "And that's the only thing you care about? That's disappointing." | Nov 16 22:51 |
| schestowitz | There was an agreement relating to patents. If there's nothing bad about it and if it's GPL-compliant (extends to all, which evidently it doesn't based on the deal signed days later), then release further details. Until then, silence serves to show Red Hat hides something... and uses it to gain advantage over others | Nov 16 22:52 |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Debian Live Is Dead, Developer Says His Project | Nov 16 22:53 |
| TweetTuxMachines | retweeted by Got Hijacked by Debian-CD | Nov 16 22:53 |
| TweetTuxMachines | @discussionsclub https://t.co/Zmn2ZU61nr (news.softpedia.com) | Nov 16 22:53 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-news.softpedia.com | Debian Live Is Dead, Developer Says His Project Got Hijacked by Debian-CD - Softpedia | Nov 16 22:53 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Today and Weekend in Techrights | Nov 16 22:53 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Today and Weekend in Techrights | Tux Machines | Nov 16 22:53 | |
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| cubexyz | amarsh04, on some of my computers the hardware hasn't changed in 12 years or more | Nov 16 22:59 |
| cubexyz | so I only do security updates on those | Nov 16 22:59 |
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| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Today and Weekend in Techrights | Nov 16 23:02 |
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| oiaohm | cubexyz: I have a lot of old hardware running current testing debian. | Nov 16 23:02 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Today and Weekend in Techrights | Tux Machines | Nov 16 23:02 | |
| cubexyz | don't tell me you're running systemd on old stuff :) | Nov 16 23:02 |
| oiaohm | cubexyz: I am | Nov 16 23:02 |
| oiaohm | cubexyz: the worse I have is a 233 pent with 128 megs of ram. | Nov 16 23:03 |
| cubexyz | what is it used for? | Nov 16 23:04 |
| oiaohm | 233 when not running table next to bed. | Nov 16 23:04 |
| oiaohm | Its only kept around for the fun factor. | Nov 16 23:04 |
| cubexyz | don't really see the point of running a new kernel on hardware that old | Nov 16 23:05 |
| cubexyz | I assume the newer kernel needs more memory | Nov 16 23:05 |
| oiaohm | That is the funny part. | Nov 16 23:05 |
| cubexyz | unless you've modified it to use less memory | Nov 16 23:05 |
| oiaohm | Yes newer kernel uses a little more memory but the fixed locking impoved operations a lot. | Nov 16 23:06 |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines gnu linux based consoles. "Alienware, Syber, | Nov 16 23:06 |
| TweetTuxMachines | and ZOTAC all have models available for you to | Nov 16 23:06 |
| TweetTuxMachines | buy." https://t.co/gaT1xlpGZb (www.itworld.com) | Nov 16 23:06 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.itworld.com | Steam Machines: Are they worth buying? | ITworld | Nov 16 23:06 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Libxml2 Vulnerabilities Closed in Ubuntu OSes | Nov 16 23:06 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-linux.softpedia.com | Libxml2 Vulnerabilities Closed in Ubuntu OSes - Softpedia | Nov 16 23:06 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Ubuntu Touch OTA-9 Already Got a New Web | Nov 16 23:06 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Browser App, Thai Font Support | Nov 16 23:06 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-news.softpedia.com | Ubuntu Touch OTA-9 Already Got a New Web Browser App, Thai Font Support - Softpedia | Nov 16 23:06 | |
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| cubexyz | 128 megs with X and some sort of window manager I assume? | Nov 16 23:07 |
| oiaohm | cubexyz: even in it day when it was new running X11 on it was a pain in ass. | Nov 16 23:08 |
| oiaohm | cubexyz: its got a horible video card s3 virge crap. | Nov 16 23:09 |
| oiaohm | vesa video driver that is about it. | Nov 16 23:09 |
| *TweetTuxMachines @softpedialinux favourited 'Ubuntu Touch OTA-9 Already Got a New Web...' | Nov 16 23:10 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Phoronix Readers Are Still Mostly Relying Upon | Nov 16 23:10 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Proprietary Linux GPU Drivers | Nov 16 23:10 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.phoronix.com | Phoronix Readers Are Still Mostly Relying Upon Proprietary Linux GPU Drivers - Phoronix | Nov 16 23:10 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Linux Mint 17.3 "Rosa" Beta with Cinnamon 2.8 | Nov 16 23:10 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Screenshot Tour | Nov 16 23:10 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-linux.softpedia.com | Linux Mint 17.3 "Rosa" Beta with Cinnamon 2.8 Screenshot Tour - Softpedia | Nov 16 23:10 | |
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| cubexyz | ok, that felt like a router attack | Nov 16 23:18 |
| cubexyz | oiaohm, I would suggest making some notes on how to minimize the memory footprint of Debian | Nov 16 23:19 |
| cubexyz | could be interesting | Nov 16 23:20 |
| cubexyz | for example I have a script that knocks out some LKM's I don't use | Nov 16 23:21 |
| oiaohm | cubexyz: https://www.debian.org/releases/jessie/amd64/ch03s04.html.en I am not exactly doing anything that special to it. | Nov 16 23:21 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-SSL connect error ( status 0 @ https://www.debian.org/releases/jessie/amd64/ch03s04.html.en ) | Nov 16 23:21 | |
| oiaohm | 128 is debian min so it abused the hell out of swap. | Nov 16 23:22 |
| cubexyz | e.g. I never need the standard Hot Plug PCI controller driver | Nov 16 23:22 |
| cubexyz | or nfsd | Nov 16 23:22 |
| cubexyz | or bluetooth :) | Nov 16 23:22 |
| schestowitz | Jan: "Yawn. We made a GPL compliant deal. Carlo said so. Canonical and Novell never said that. But you insist on us sharing. While you let the others get away with whatever deal. And you say WE have something to hide? While you happily admit you never asked THEM?" | Nov 16 23:22 |
| schestowitz | "And in all three cases you never asked Microsoft?" | Nov 16 23:22 |
| oiaohm | cubexyz: fairly much the 233 is running standard debian with limited services list and very light X11 if X11 at all. | Nov 16 23:23 |
| cubexyz | very light X11? | Nov 16 23:23 |
| schestowitz | " Carlo said so" doesn't say much because judging by the FAQ it doesn't extend to other players. Canonical said nothing about patents and Novell did something far worse. | Nov 16 23:23 |
| oiaohm | cubexyz: very light skip windows manager use a terminal. | Nov 16 23:24 |
| oiaohm | cubexyz: as I said I keep the 233 around for fun not as recommended usage. | Nov 16 23:24 |
| cubexyz | Linux can run in 16 megs :) | Nov 16 23:25 |
| cubexyz | but not Debian | Nov 16 23:25 |
| cubexyz | http://www.maxhost.org/other/linux-486.jpg | Nov 16 23:25 |
| cubexyz | I used to think that 9 megs on my Amiga was a lot of memory | Nov 16 23:27 |
| oiaohm | My KDE desktop eats up 2 to 3 G of ram. | Nov 16 23:28 |
| cubexyz | memory minimization is a hobby of mine | Nov 16 23:29 |
| oiaohm | Really 128 at 233 mhz is the slowest and smallest ram I deal wth. | Nov 16 23:29 |
| oiaohm | Other than really small like adlreno | Nov 16 23:29 |
| oiaohm | Opps arduino | Nov 16 23:31 |
| oiaohm | I guess you would not go for the insane of booting Linux on a 8bit cpu by emularting a 32 bit one cubexyz | Nov 16 23:31 |
| MinceR | i hope the GPLv3 will screw deadrat | Nov 16 23:31 |
| cubexyz | I wrote up some notes here: | Nov 16 23:31 |
| MinceR | with their patent deal | Nov 16 23:32 |
| cubexyz | http://www.maxhost.org/other/low-memory-os.txt | Nov 16 23:32 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-connect() timed out! ( status 0 @ http://www.maxhost.org/other/low-memory-os.txt ) | Nov 16 23:32 | |
| cubexyz | :1 | Nov 16 23:33 |
| cubexyz | sorry, error... 2.11BSD doesn't use 16 megs :) | Nov 16 23:33 |
| cubexyz | http://www.maxhost.org/other/low-memory-os.txt | Nov 16 23:34 |
| cubexyz | corrected... 2.11BSD uses 4 megs of ram | Nov 16 23:34 |
| cubexyz | emulated PDP-11/73 | Nov 16 23:35 |
| cubexyz | 22-bit physical address space | Nov 16 23:35 |
| cubexyz | oiaohm, no... I programmed 8-bit machines enough to know not to try running Unix on them | Nov 16 23:36 |
| cubexyz | 8-bit architecture can't handle Unix | Nov 16 23:37 |
| cubexyz | PDP-11/20 is the historical minimum... | Nov 16 23:38 |
| cubexyz | a rough progression would be: | Nov 16 23:39 |
| cubexyz | PDP-7 -> PDP-11/20 -> PDP-11/40 -> PDP-11/45 -> PDP-11/70 -> Vax 11/780 | Nov 16 23:40 |
| cubexyz | comparatively speaking 128 megs is a huge memory space | Nov 16 23:45 |
| cubexyz | it's only because of all the eye candy and web browser bloat that gigabytes of memory are "necessary" | Nov 16 23:47 |
| cubexyz | I'm still not sure what all the LKMs do in FC1 even after 11 years of study | Nov 16 23:48 |
| cubexyz | the problem I find nowadays is higher resolution pictures and video | Nov 16 23:53 |
| cubexyz | there's no getting around that... higher res stuff needs more memory | Nov 16 23:54 |
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| schestowitz | [23:03] <oiaohm> cubexyz: the worse I have is a 233 pent with 128 megs of ram. | Nov 17 00:20 |
| schestowitz | has it now worn out yet? | Nov 17 00:20 |
| cubexyz | the lifespan of semiconductors is an open question | Nov 17 00:20 |
| cubexyz | if the electrolyte in the capacitors is durable enough... a motherboard can certainly last beyond 20 years | Nov 17 00:21 |
| cubexyz | the idea that motherboards last '5 years or less' is bogus | Nov 17 00:24 |
| cubexyz | of course some selectivity is necessary to buy decent hardware | Nov 17 00:24 |
| cubexyz | working PDP-11s could be over 40 years old now | Nov 17 00:26 |
| cubexyz | certainly the idea that more than 128 megs of ram is necessary for basic things like checking emails, word processing, using a spreadsheet is incorrect | Nov 17 00:29 |
| schestowitz | Jan, red hat: "But you let them get away while we should somehow share everything with you? Sounds fair, I guess ;-)" | Nov 17 00:29 |
| schestowitz | Who's "them"? Canonical? Novell was open about it, but it was a really terrible thing. Canonical said nothing about patents... | Nov 17 00:29 |
| cubexyz | by all means criticize Microsoft :) | Nov 17 00:30 |
| schestowitz | my desktop from 2008 sort of died recently, sort of... | Nov 17 00:30 |
| schestowitz | I can't seem to get it started | Nov 17 00:30 |
| schestowitz | I ejected fans, memory sticks, etc. | Nov 17 00:30 |
| schestowitz | and I can't figure out why it died after POST | Nov 17 00:31 |
| schestowitz | sometimes doesn't even get to POST | Nov 17 00:31 |
| schestowitz | the fan doesn't seem to be the issue | Nov 17 00:31 |
| schestowitz | two fans always running fine | Nov 17 00:31 |
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| schestowitz | esp. if I remove all the RAM, they just beep endlessly, no shutdown | Nov 17 00:31 |
| cubexyz | try the simplest thing first: compressed air and give it a good cleaning | Nov 17 00:31 |
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| schestowitz | I already cleaned it as much as I could | Nov 17 00:32 |
| cubexyz | dirty memory sockets can preventing booting | Nov 17 00:32 |
| MinceR | can compressed air spinning the fans cause electrical damage? | Nov 17 00:32 |
| schestowitz | still work in progress, I lost another old machine earlier this year | Nov 17 00:32 |
| schestowitz | and I think it died for good when there was a loud bang | Nov 17 00:32 |
| cubexyz | are you using UPS with these computers? | Nov 17 00:32 |
| schestowitz | no | Nov 17 00:32 |
| schestowitz | I also tried swapping cables etc,. | Nov 17 00:32 |
| cubexyz | any visible damage on the board? | Nov 17 00:34 |
| cubexyz | bad caps, burning smell... | Nov 17 00:34 |
| cubexyz | bulging caps is a clear sign they are bad | Nov 17 00:35 |
| cubexyz | MinceR, you could hold the fans still if you were using compressed air on the fan | Nov 17 00:38 |
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| cubexyz | I guess it's possible that spinning the fans too fast could damage the electronics of the fan | Nov 17 00:39 |
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| cubexyz | I don't think fans are simple DC motors nowadays | Nov 17 00:40 |
| schestowitz | Jan: "Where's the Novell contract? Where's the Canonical contract? Why should we share when you let them do whatever they want? Just because we are actually saying what we did? But Canonical gets a free pass because they said nothing? That's borderline hypocrisy. You never bothered to ask? Even though Canonical is working on their phone thingy that should trigger the Microsoft Android patent stuff? Wouldn't that be an interesting question?" | Nov 17 00:41 |
| schestowitz | Canonical does not appear to have spoken about patents at all, unlike Red Hat. And Novell did share a redacted deal text... just before Easter. | Nov 17 00:41 |
| schestowitz | Jan: "As I said. I forwarded your request. It's out if my hands." | Nov 17 00:41 |
| schestowitz | "If you think your public pressure will help, go for it. I just note that Shuttleworth got the free pass." | Nov 17 00:41 |
| schestowitz | My article's about Canonical's Azure thing can easily be found in the archive for that month | Nov 17 00:42 |
| MinceR | cubexyz: i do that | Nov 17 00:42 |
| MinceR | i wondered if it was necessary :> | Nov 17 00:42 |
| schestowitz | *articles | Nov 17 00:42 |
| cubexyz | it seems plausbile you could dislodge the lubricant deep inside the fan | Nov 17 00:43 |
| cubexyz | probably better to replace it with a high quality part | Nov 17 00:43 |
| MinceR | ic | Nov 17 00:43 |
| cubexyz | just like the toner cartridge in a laserjet, at some point it's better to replace a consumable item than to refill or repair it | Nov 17 00:44 |
| cubexyz | although I will say my original P3 Slot 1 CPU fans still work great | Nov 17 00:45 |
| schestowitz | Jan: "And bed time. It's close to 2am :-)" | Nov 17 00:46 |
| schestowitz | My Open Letter to Red Hat's CEO 8 years ago: http://techrights.org/2007/12/21/open-letter-james-whitehurst/ "hard to name companies that have benefited from a Microsoft pact" | Nov 17 00:46 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Open Letter to James Whitehurst, CEO of Red Hat | Techrights | Nov 17 00:46 | |
| cubexyz | I would say also that the thermal paste itself degrades in newer computers | Nov 17 00:48 |
| cubexyz | the Slot 1's didn't have any thermal paste, hence it doesn't degrade | Nov 17 00:48 |
| cubexyz | also the MOSFETs could go bad | Nov 17 00:49 |
| MinceR | i can name one | Nov 17 00:49 |
| MinceR | microsoft | Nov 17 00:49 |
| cubexyz | schestowitz, I would check around for local motherboard repair sites | Nov 17 00:50 |
| cubexyz | there are some really good ones out there | Nov 17 00:50 |
| cubexyz | of course you could just find another NOS motherboard to match the bad one | Nov 17 00:51 |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/AngelaRichter_/status/666379335499124737 | Nov 17 00:56 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@AngelaRichter_: #Zizek's very last words: Next time, even if it takes 10 years, Julian #Assange will join us here. https://t.co/Nwej2P3SjU | Nov 17 00:56 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@AngelaRichter_: #Zizek's very last words: Next time, even if it takes 10 years, Julian #Assange will join us here. https://t.co/Nwej2P3SjU | Nov 17 00:56 | |
| cubexyz | quality motherboard + good UPS + less heat generation == longevity | Nov 17 00:59 |
| cubexyz | oh and buy a decent power supply :) | Nov 17 00:59 |
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| schestowitz | Jan: "And I tried to explain that our deal is quite different. Microsoft moved a lot in our opinion. Carlo told you as much. Forcing him to give up his client privilege is not going to work, that much I can tell. Feel free to not trust us. I did what I could. But you want more. Whatever we do, it won't be enough. But I gather that if we just kept our mouth shut about patents, you couldn't care less. As you did with Canonical. That's just | Nov 17 01:06 |
| schestowitz | crazy IMHO." | Nov 17 01:06 |
| schestowitz | So they're not planning to " give up his client privilege " | Nov 17 01:07 |
| schestowitz | That's their position then | Nov 17 01:07 |
| schestowitz | protecting secrecy of it all | Nov 17 01:07 |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/profBury/status/666419940510048256 | Nov 17 01:08 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@profBury: Did you see it? Today’s hottest tweet among people I follow https://t.co/8dtCfy68rf by @schestowitz | Nov 17 01:08 | |
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| schestowitz | http://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/2015/11/16/jeremy-corbyn-attacked-by_n_8578184.html | Nov 17 01:09 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.huffingtonpost.co.uk | Jeremy Corbyn Attacked By Labour MPs Over His Stance On 'Shoot To Kill', 'Jihadi John', Paris Attacks And Stop The War Coalition | Nov 17 01:09 | |
| MinceR | saint redhat | Nov 17 01:12 |
| MinceR | my ass | Nov 17 01:12 |
| schestowitz | Jan: "You are trying to force that. Not we. We are really glad that Carlo was involved. He's one of the best. But he was not the only one. Did you ask Microsoft? Or only Tiller and Carlo?" | Nov 17 01:12 |
| schestowitz | Red herring, they're not likely to communicate with me because they're secretive and the silence serves them more than "Open Organisation" | Nov 17 01:13 |
| schestowitz | Also, don't try to frame this as a personal attack from me against Piana because it's not | Nov 17 01:14 |
| schestowitz | "I got personal emails from Carlo. He's not happy to be put in the spotlight the way you did." | Nov 17 01:16 |
| schestowitz | "He is a personal friend of mine since many years." | Nov 17 01:17 |
| schestowitz | "If that's how you think you'll succeed, go for it. I cannot and don't want to help with that. That's all." | Nov 17 01:17 |
| schestowitz | I made the factual statement that, for Red Hat, he and Tiller were involved | Nov 17 01:17 |
| schestowitz | They evidently consented to a secret deal, like the one signed with Acacia 2 years ago | Nov 17 01:18 |
| schestowitz | "I did what I could. I asked for patience while working behind the curtains. You showed me the finger by publicly demanding stuff. I pointed out that you seem to be selective. All points made b" | Nov 17 01:18 |
| schestowitz | "And how did you know he was involved? Oh." | Nov 17 01:18 |
| schestowitz | You told me so | Nov 17 01:19 |
| schestowitz | "In private." | Nov 17 01:19 |
| schestowitz | Well, some level of transparency would assist somehow, all we have not is a lousy FAQ that's more like PR | Nov 17 01:19 |
| schestowitz | Written favourably, by omission, to bolster Red Hat RP | Nov 17 01:20 |
| schestowitz | "That's abuse of trust in my book." | Nov 17 01:20 |
| schestowitz | "You took it public." | Nov 17 01:20 |
| MinceR | redcrap demands to be smiled at and treated nicely while they destroy gnu/linux and vacuum the last dollars from their victims | Nov 17 01:20 |
| schestowitz | "At least an FAQ. Unlike Canonical. Unlike SUSE." | Nov 17 01:21 |
| schestowitz | Novell released the deal, with redactions | Nov 17 01:21 |
| schestowitz | "Duh. A Red Hat written FAQ is positive towards Red Hat. Film at 11 :-)" | Nov 17 01:22 |
| schestowitz | "Novell released an old deal. Not the Azure one." | Nov 17 01:22 |
| schestowitz | I'm talking about the patent thing | Nov 17 01:22 |
| schestowitz | "Nor did anyone release their Amazon deal." | Nov 17 01:22 |
| schestowitz | Amazon does not use patents versus Linux | Nov 17 01:23 |
| schestowitz | In fact, Microsoft seemingly made Amazon pay for Linux, based on a deal a few years back | Nov 17 01:23 |
| schestowitz | "I don't like it, trust me on that." | Nov 17 01:23 |
| schestowitz | "That's business." | Nov 17 01:23 |
| schestowitz | "I still happily risk being quoted, because I care about your goals." | Nov 17 01:24 |
| MinceR | destroying technology is "business" | Nov 17 01:24 |
| schestowitz | yeah | Nov 17 01:25 |
| schestowitz | apparently | Nov 17 01:25 |
| schestowitz | if it's good for RHT shareholders | Nov 17 01:25 |
| schestowitz | "I don't want to end our conversation. But I also need to keep my job ;-)" | Nov 17 01:25 |
| schestowitz | I didn't quote, I named people whom I knew could be approached for answers | Nov 17 01:26 |
| schestowitz | "I got asked some harsh questions. I could shrug it off thus far." | Nov 17 01:27 |
| schestowitz | "10 years of experience." | Nov 17 01:28 |
| schestowitz | I've tracked Microsoft's patent strategy against Linux this long | Nov 17 01:28 |
| schestowitz | More than full-time capacity | Nov 17 01:28 |
| schestowitz | almost 20,000 articles in Boycott Novell/techrights | Nov 17 01:30 |
| schestowitz | You and I have the same goals, we just get our salaries from different places, small practical difference... | Nov 17 01:32 |
| schestowitz | "But you of all people should know that a GPL compliant agreement (not a patent deal, because we don't have that) covers all users/developers of GPL licensed code." | Nov 17 01:33 |
| schestowitz | "Not only Red Hat." | Nov 17 01:33 |
| schestowitz | "That's what the GPL is about." | Nov 17 01:33 |
| schestowitz | I can't see how the patent standstill extends to others | Nov 17 01:33 |
| schestowitz | If I look at the legalese in the GPL(v2/v3), then I'd find that such agreements would require broader coverage than just Red Hat and its customers | Nov 17 01:34 |
| schestowitz | "Well, ask a lawyer. I did :-)" | Nov 17 01:34 |
| schestowitz | I don't know what to ask the lawyer, and here's why | Nov 17 01:35 |
| schestowitz | "Yep. I would think so too." | Nov 17 01:35 |
| schestowitz | "And that's all I'm going to say." | Nov 17 01:35 |
| schestowitz | Because I don't see what was signed at all, or agreed on. Tiller and Piana know... | Nov 17 01:35 |
| schestowitz | A FAQ is not legal text, and it's just a surrogate that leaves room for speculation | Nov 17 01:36 |
| schestowitz | "And contracts between two parties are not made public. I know. Again. I don't like it. And tried a workaround. Which is now being decided." | Nov 17 01:38 |
| schestowitz | Thank you. | Nov 17 01:38 |
| schestowitz | I thank you for all that you do, I don't blame you for what non-swpats opposers are up to | Nov 17 01:39 |
| schestowitz | "In 4.5 hours I need to be up again. Please excuse me while I try to get some sleep ;-)" | Nov 17 01:39 |
| schestowitz | "And contracts between two parties are not made public. I know. Again. I don't like it. And tried a workaround. Which is now being decided." | Nov 17 01:39 |
| cubexyz | just remember kids: | Nov 17 01:46 |
| cubexyz | http://www.maxhost.org/other/no-windows-10.jpg | Nov 17 01:47 |
| cubexyz | the whole reset windows to a pristine state was a huge crock of shit anyways | Nov 17 01:49 |
| cubexyz | Unix philsophy with plain text files for configuration | Nov 17 01:52 |
| cubexyz | not that registry garbage | Nov 17 01:52 |
| MinceR | deadrat loves it though | Nov 17 01:53 |
| MinceR | "factory reset" | Nov 17 01:53 |
| cubexyz | Microsoft could do just about anything to their customers and they would just go "duh ok" | Nov 17 01:55 |
| MinceR | which is exactly what's happening | Nov 17 01:56 |
| MinceR | and madhat is copying them | Nov 17 01:56 |
| schestowitz | madhat | Nov 17 01:58 |
| schestowitz | deadrat | Nov 17 01:58 |
| schestowitz | redcrap | Nov 17 01:58 |
| schestowitz | when's redM$? | Nov 17 01:59 |
| schestowitz | Or Red Mond? | Nov 17 01:59 |
| MinceR | :> | Nov 17 01:59 |
| cubexyz | next week probably | Nov 17 01:59 |
| MinceR | microsoft raleigh | Nov 17 01:59 |
| schestowitz | !google redhat engineers redmond azure | Nov 17 01:59 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | [1] - Microsoft, Red Hat Collaborate To Put Linux on Azure -- Redmond ... | https://rcpmag.com/articles/2015/11/04/microsoft-red-hat-put-linux-on-azure.aspx | Nov 17 01:59 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | [2] - .NET Framework Dons the Red Hat with Deeper Linux Integration ... | https://visualstudiomagazine.com/articles/2015/11/04/net-framework-red-hat.aspx | Nov 17 01:59 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | [3] - Red Hat-Microsoft partnership means a 'co-location' of engineers ... | http://www.bizjournals.com/triangle/blog/techflash/2015/11/red-hat-microsoft-partnership-linux-azure-cloud.html | Nov 17 01:59 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | [4] - Red Hat, Microsoft Forge Wide-Ranging Cloud Partnership - eWeek | http://www.eweek.com/cloud/red-hat-microsoft-forge-wide-ranging-cloud-partnership.html | Nov 17 01:59 |
| schestowitz | see [3] | Nov 17 01:59 |
| MinceR | "engineers" | Nov 17 01:59 |
| schestowitz | "where do you work?" | Nov 17 01:59 |
| schestowitz | Microsoft | Nov 17 01:59 |
| schestowitz | "who do you work for?" | Nov 17 02:00 |
| schestowitz | Red Hat | Nov 17 02:00 |
| MinceR | "where do you want to go today?" | Nov 17 02:00 |
| schestowitz | "cool" | Nov 17 02:00 |
| cubexyz | a safe prediction: more new distros will appear | Nov 17 02:00 |
| schestowitz | yeah | Nov 17 02:00 |
| schestowitz | well, red hat controlled centos now | Nov 17 02:00 |
| schestowitz | the biggest red hat clone | Nov 17 02:00 |
| schestowitz | bar oracle maybe | Nov 17 02:00 |
| schestowitz | no better | Nov 17 02:00 |
| MinceR | how many of them will be gnu/linux distros, though? | Nov 17 02:00 |
| schestowitz | https://joindiaspora.com/posts/6822181 | Nov 17 02:00 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: How the Baseless 'Terrorists Communicating Over Playstation 4' Rumor Got Started http://motherboard.vice.com/read/how-the-baseless-terrorists-communicating-over-playstation-4-rumor-got-started utter rubbish 'reporting' | Nov 17 02:00 | |
| schestowitz | "I bet they used sarcasm too." | Nov 17 02:00 |
| schestowitz | :-) | Nov 17 02:00 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights--> motherboard.vice.com | How the Baseless 'Terrorists Communicating Over Playstation 4' Rumor Got Started | Motherboard | Nov 17 02:00 | |
| cubexyz | gnu/linux isn't abolustely critical... but their will be some | Nov 17 02:01 |
| schestowitz | MinceR: GNU/Lennix | Nov 17 02:01 |
| cubexyz | absolutely | Nov 17 02:01 |
| MinceR | systemd/Garrettux | Nov 17 02:01 |
| XFaCE | schestowitz: if you read the gentoo forums, you quickly realize that the forum users are competent while the devs aren't | Nov 17 02:02 |
| XFaCE | it's depressing | Nov 17 02:02 |
| XFaCE | systemdthink spreads | Nov 17 02:02 |
| cubexyz | Debian Wheezy -> Q4OS & AntiX | Nov 17 02:03 |
| MinceR | examples? | Nov 17 02:03 |
| cubexyz | also the slackware derivatives | Nov 17 02:03 |
| cubexyz | I still backport to Unix v7, even v5 sometimes :) | Nov 17 02:04 |
| XFaCE | MinceR: schestowitz https://forums.gentoo.org/viewtopic-p-7828070-highlight-williamh.html#7828070 | Nov 17 02:04 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-forums.gentoo.org | Gentoo Forums :: View topic - OpenRC 0.18 error outputs | Nov 17 02:04 | |
| cubexyz | I assure everyone they will not go systemd :) | Nov 17 02:04 |
| XFaCE | " jfranz2 ... to mount, and unmount, network filesystems (ie, NFS mounted shares, etc). I just noticed, these virtual filesytems are being umounted as part of 'netmount' ... omg. " | Nov 17 02:04 |
| XFaCE | https://bugs.gentoo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=562668 | Nov 17 02:05 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-bugs.gentoo.org | Bug 562668 – sys-apps/openrc-0.18: /etc/init.d/netmount unmounts local (non-network) filesystems | Nov 17 02:05 | |
| XFaCE | https://forums.gentoo.org/viewtopic-t-1030678-highlight-williamh.html | Nov 17 02:06 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-forums.gentoo.org | Gentoo Forums :: View topic - bug in profile package.mask | Nov 17 02:06 | |
| cubexyz | is gentoo going systemd? | Nov 17 02:07 |
| XFaCE | " | Nov 17 02:07 |
| XFaCE | The initial bug, | Nov 17 02:07 |
| XFaCE | Code: | Nov 17 02:07 |
| XFaCE | ${udev_monitor}:-no} | Nov 17 02:07 |
| XFaCE | is quite embarrassing, as it implies whoever committed it, both didn't spot it (howling to a shell-scripter) and worse, hadn't even tested it in the most minimal way conceivable." | Nov 17 02:07 |
| XFaCE | https://forums.gentoo.org/viewtopic-t-1019548-highlight-williamh.html | Nov 17 02:07 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-forums.gentoo.org | Gentoo Forums :: View topic - udev-trigger failed after udev-init-scripts-28 update | Nov 17 02:07 | |
| XFaCE | [21:07:11]<cubexyz> is gentoo going systemd? | Nov 17 02:08 |
| XFaCE | it's complicated | Nov 17 02:08 |
| XFaCE | and messy | Nov 17 02:08 |
| XFaCE | cubexyz: I highly recommended reading the forum, it gives a good idea of the current politics | Nov 17 02:11 |
| MinceR | looks like they liked cancerd going ax crazy with unmounting they reimplemented it in netmount | Nov 17 02:11 |
| XFaCE | recommend | Nov 17 02:11 |
| MinceR | s/they/so much &/ | Nov 17 02:11 |
| XFaCE | MinceR: pretty much | Nov 17 02:11 |
| MinceR | netbsd and openbsd are looking better every day | Nov 17 02:12 |
| cubexyz | I really liked the old days better :-/ | Nov 17 02:12 |
| XFaCE | and they have done other "systemd-ready" changes | Nov 17 02:12 |
| XFaCE | MinceR: freebsd is out? | Nov 17 02:12 |
| MinceR | i don't trust them as much | Nov 17 02:13 |
| cubexyz | MinceR, I found setting up a LAN with Linux and BSD machines together to be a powerful combo | Nov 17 02:13 |
| cubexyz | so if I am missing stuff on openbsd: ssh -XC cubeman@vector FBReader | Nov 17 02:13 |
| MinceR | 031156 < MinceR> s/they/so much &/ | Nov 17 02:14 |
| MinceR | undo | Nov 17 02:14 |
| cubexyz | or whatever is missing | Nov 17 02:14 |
| MinceR | s/they r/so much &/ | Nov 17 02:14 |
| cubexyz | -C for compression speeds things up a bit | Nov 17 02:14 |
| MinceR | cubexyz: or i could just run a gnu/linux system in a vm | Nov 17 02:14 |
| cubexyz | sure | Nov 17 02:14 |
| cubexyz | my computers are probably too old for that though | Nov 17 02:14 |
| amarsh04 | after the last motherboard and video card failure I have a secondhand motherboard for this machine that is running happily with a Radeon 9600 video card - passive cooling and vdpau acceleration | Nov 17 02:17 |
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| XFaCE | MinceR: bu-bu-but drivers | Nov 17 02:22 |
| XFaCE | MinceR: what linux would you use | Nov 17 02:22 |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Red Hat Enterprise Linux 5 and CentOS 5 Receive | Nov 17 02:22 |
| TweetTuxMachines | an Important Kernel Update | Nov 17 02:22 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Red Hat Enterprise Linux 5 and CentOS 5 Receive an Important Kernel Update | Tux Machines | Nov 17 02:22 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Vendor Q&A Series: Mark Enzweiler, Red Hat | Nov 17 02:22 |
| TweetTuxMachines | https://t.co/8BzhP8eGPw (www.tuxmachines.org) | Nov 17 02:22 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Vendor Q&A Series: Mark Enzweiler, Red Hat | Tux Machines | Nov 17 02:22 | |
| MinceR | XFaCE: dunno | Nov 17 02:22 |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines UUMATE Is a Respin of Ubuntu MATE 15.10 That | Nov 17 02:22 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | UUMATE Is a Respin of Ubuntu MATE 15.10 That Aims to be Better - Video | Tux Machines | Nov 17 02:22 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines HP Linux Imaging and Printing Driver Update | Nov 17 02:22 |
| TweetTuxMachines | with Support for Ubuntu 15.10 | Nov 17 02:22 |
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| MinceR | XFaCE: could even use crunchbang waldorf :> | Nov 17 02:23 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | HP Linux Imaging and Printing Driver Update with Support for Ubuntu 15.10 | Tux Machines | Nov 17 02:23 | |
| MinceR | then again, their repos are dead | Nov 17 02:23 |
| MinceR | so debian wheezy | Nov 17 02:23 |
| XFaCE | Void Linux seems pretty good | Nov 17 02:24 |
| XFaCE | Salix | Nov 17 02:24 |
| XFaCE | Alpine | Nov 17 02:24 |
| MinceR | bedrock, if you have distros you can put in it | Nov 17 02:24 |
| XFaCE | bedrock? | Nov 17 02:26 |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Best Linux Distribution for Your Hosting | Nov 17 02:26 |
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| MinceR | http://bedrocklinux.org/ | Nov 17 02:26 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-bedrocklinux.org | Bedrock Linux | Nov 17 02:26 | |
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| XFaCE | MinceR: sounds too good to be true | Nov 17 02:27 |
| schestowitz | [02:24] <MinceR> bedrock, if you have distros you can put in it | Nov 17 02:27 |
| schestowitz | remember what bedrock did? | Nov 17 02:28 |
| schestowitz | !google bedrock linux patents | Nov 17 02:28 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | [1] - FOSS Patents: Texas jury finds against Google in Linux patent case ... | http://www.fosspatents.com/2011/04/texas-jury-finds-against-google-in.html | Nov 17 02:28 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | [2] - Google infringes on Linux patent: $5 million judgment | ZDNet | http://www.zdnet.com/article/google-infringes-on-linux-patent-5-million-judgment/ | Nov 17 02:28 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | [3] - Google Loses Patent Case Filed By Patent Attorney Who Was ... | https://www.techdirt.com/articles/20110421/16470613993/google-loses-patent-case-filed-patent-attorney-who-was-helping-fight-patent-excesses.shtml | Nov 17 02:28 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | [4] - Bedrock Linux | http://bedrocklinux.org/ | Nov 17 02:28 |
| schestowitz | 2011 | Nov 17 02:28 |
| schestowitz | Groklaw covered that at the time | Nov 17 02:28 |
| XFaCE | schestowitz: same bedrock? | Nov 17 02:28 |
| schestowitz | same name, different thing, alas... | Nov 17 02:28 |
| schestowitz | no, different | Nov 17 02:28 |
| XFaCE | oops | Nov 17 02:29 |
| MinceR | i don't think this bedrock even existed in 2011 :> | Nov 17 02:29 |
| MinceR | the irc channel was registered in 2012 | Nov 17 02:30 |
| cubexyz | you guys shouldn't complain too much | Nov 17 02:30 |
| cubexyz | christmas 1985... | Nov 17 02:31 |
| cubexyz | http://www.maxhost.org/other/christmas-1985-256k-amiga.png | Nov 17 02:31 |
| cubexyz | 2 grand for 256k :) | Nov 17 02:31 |
| MinceR | back then the IT industry wasn't suffering of a fatal disease | Nov 17 02:31 |
| MinceR | back then computers were built to do what their owner wanted to do | Nov 17 02:31 |
| MinceR | back then the IT industry wasn't controlled by the whims of rich drooling idiots who don't even know what a computer is | Nov 17 02:32 |
| cubexyz | plus upgrading your firmware required a chip change :) | Nov 17 02:32 |
| MinceR | back then governments weren't looking for ways to screw computer users | Nov 17 02:32 |
| XFaCE | MinceR: are you sure? | Nov 17 02:32 |
| cubexyz | right, and no internet access for home either | Nov 17 02:32 |
| cubexyz | how would they even get in? | Nov 17 02:33 |
| MinceR | XFaCE: not really | Nov 17 02:33 |
| MinceR | but afaik there wasn't all this fuckage about back doors for governments, and DMCA, WCT and the rest of the shit | Nov 17 02:33 |
| cubexyz | back in 1985 Microsoft was not as powerful | Nov 17 02:33 |
| cubexyz | we had Amiga, Atari, PC Clones running Xenix, there was a lot of choice | Nov 17 02:33 |
| MinceR | we even had choice of cpus that weren't too weak | Nov 17 02:34 |
| MinceR | we weren't expected to like having our computers tivoized | Nov 17 02:34 |
| MinceR | hell, there was no tivoization | Nov 17 02:34 |
| cubexyz | a simpler time :) | Nov 17 02:34 |
| MinceR | humanity had a future back then | Nov 17 02:34 |
| XFaCE | MinceR: "intellectual property" dates back to the 1970s | Nov 17 02:35 |
| XFaCE | wiretapping | Nov 17 02:36 |
| XFaCE | DRM | Nov 17 02:36 |
| MinceR | wiretapping was for voice over phone, wasn't it? | Nov 17 02:36 |
| MinceR | and DRM was called "copy protection" | Nov 17 02:36 |
| MinceR | and there was no DMCA/WCT to give it legal support | Nov 17 02:36 |
| cubexyz | some of my computers still work from that time period | Nov 17 02:42 |
| cubexyz | printing out a letter was like: | Nov 17 02:43 |
| cubexyz | type letter.txt > prn: | Nov 17 02:43 |
| cubexyz | basically redirect to prn: and you're done :) | Nov 17 02:44 |
| XFaCE | lol | Nov 17 02:44 |
| cubexyz | of course on linux I can just: lp letter.txt | Nov 17 02:45 |
| cubexyz | maybe lp -d hp letter.txt | Nov 17 02:46 |
| cubexyz | but the point is there was no real printer driver back then | Nov 17 02:46 |
| cubexyz | it was ascii straight to the printer | Nov 17 02:46 |
| cubexyz | you got a real manual back then, so no secret protocols | Nov 17 02:47 |
| oiaohm | cubexyz: postscript is also very old. | Nov 17 02:47 |
| oiaohm | https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/PostScript | Nov 17 02:48 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-en.wikipedia.org | PostScript - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia | Nov 17 02:48 | |
| cubexyz | I can't remember how expensive postscript printers were back then | Nov 17 02:49 |
| oiaohm | cubexyz: basically you find postscript in the first computer with a screen mouse and keyboard by xerox. | Nov 17 02:49 |
| cubexyz | all I remember was Epson & panasonic dot matrix printers | Nov 17 02:49 |
| cubexyz | Xerox Star? I couldn't afford that :) | Nov 17 02:50 |
| oiaohm | The stupid part was postscript was a open protocol the issue was cpu power it took to handle it. | Nov 17 02:50 |
| cubexyz | the laserjets had a CPU inside them? | Nov 17 02:51 |
| oiaohm | So we end up with different makers doing own odd ball protocols to save costs. | Nov 17 02:51 |
| oiaohm | cubexyz: you find megs of memory inside old postscript lazer printers. | Nov 17 02:51 |
| cubexyz | yes I know, I own one | Nov 17 02:51 |
| cubexyz | I have an old Laserjet 5N | Nov 17 02:52 |
| oiaohm | I think that is a mips. | Nov 17 02:52 |
| cubexyz | makes sense | Nov 17 02:52 |
| oiaohm | Ok this is warped. 64 bit mips chip. | Nov 17 02:53 |
| oiaohm | Is hiding in a Laserjet 5n | Nov 17 02:53 |
| cubexyz | ok, I see that HP introduced a laserjet back in 1984 at COMDEX | Nov 17 02:54 |
| cubexyz | cool | Nov 17 02:54 |
| cubexyz | for $3500 | Nov 17 02:54 |
| cubexyz | so yes, you could get them for major $$$ :) | Nov 17 02:54 |
| oiaohm | Note the time frame of a Laserjet5N and the fact it 64 bit. | Nov 17 02:54 |
| cubexyz | mine says 1997 on the back | Nov 17 02:55 |
| oiaohm | Exactly most PC and servers at the time were only 32 bit. | Nov 17 02:55 |
| oiaohm | So other than GPU the most powerful cpu in the place would be hidding in a printer. | Nov 17 02:55 |
| cubexyz | can the 5N do double sided printout? | Nov 17 02:56 |
| oiaohm | That called duplex printing. I cannot remember if that was addon or built in with the 5 series. | Nov 17 02:56 |
| MinceR | yeah, i got a real manual with my hp laserjet 4l | Nov 17 02:59 |
| MinceR | pity its paper handling mechanism is garbage | Nov 17 02:59 |
| cubexyz | I see collate and reverse in kedit | Nov 17 02:59 |
| cubexyz | ah, it's an add-on... pity | Nov 17 03:00 |
| cubexyz | there's an optional duplex unit | Nov 17 03:01 |
| cubexyz | seems to fit underneath the laserjet | Nov 17 03:03 |
| cubexyz | MinceR, what's the problem? printing a bit crooked? | Nov 17 03:06 |
| cubexyz | the 4L would probably be quite old by now | Nov 17 03:07 |
| MinceR | pretty much always pulled the pages in crooked | Nov 17 03:07 |
| MinceR | and if it was a bit bent from printing on the other side, you could be sure it would eat the page | Nov 17 03:07 |
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| cubexyz | I think the Atari Jaguar came out back in Nov 1993 | Nov 17 04:02 |
| cubexyz | around the same time | Nov 17 04:02 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.sciencetimes.com | The Evolution Of Android Wear : TECH & INNOVATION : Science Times | Nov 17 10:55 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines BQ Aquaris Ubuntu Edition Phones Land in Russia | Nov 17 10:55 |
| TweetTuxMachines | https://t.co/UAkEW95YoR (www.businesswire.com) | Nov 17 10:55 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.businesswire.com | BQ Aquaris Ubuntu Edition Phones Land in Russia | Business Wire | Nov 17 10:55 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Senior Tech: Sometimes Linux Isn’t the Solution | Nov 17 11:01 |
| TweetTuxMachines | https://t.co/b3V1EI4I0R (fossforce.com) maybe | Nov 17 11:01 |
| TweetTuxMachines | not for the already brainwashed... | Nov 17 11:01 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-fossforce.com | Senior Tech: Sometimes Linux Isn't the Solution | FOSS Force | Nov 17 11:01 | |
| *TweetTuxMachines @techmuser favourited 'Senior Tech: Sometimes Linux Isn’t the Solution https://t.co/b3V1EI4I0R...' | Nov 17 11:01 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Visiting the System76 headquarters -- a Willy | Nov 17 11:06 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Wonka-like superfan experience | Nov 17 11:06 |
| TweetTuxMachines | https://t.co/ORWgLDj5Me (betanews.com) | Nov 17 11:06 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-betanews.com | Visiting the System76 headquarters -- a Willy Wonka-like superfan experience | Nov 17 11:06 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines New Elementary Applications in the Repos for | Nov 17 11:06 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Testing https://t.co/PhzYnLi3qR | Nov 17 11:06 |
| TweetTuxMachines | (www.bodhilinux.com) | Nov 17 11:06 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.bodhilinux.com | New Elementary Applications in the Repos for Testing | Bodhi Linux | Nov 17 11:06 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines The Best Quotes of Linus Torvalds: Money, | Nov 17 11:06 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Hardware, Source Code And Most Important Things | Nov 17 11:06 |
| TweetTuxMachines | For All | Nov 17 11:06 |
| TweetTuxMachines | https://t.co/r3LUQb7qr1 (tlhp.cf) "don’t need | Nov 17 11:06 |
| TweetTuxMachines | PR" | Nov 17 11:06 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-tlhp.cf | The Best Quotes of Linus Torvalds: Money, Hardware, Source Code And Most Important Things For All | The Linux Homefront Project | Nov 17 11:06 | |
| schestowitz | https://www.joindiaspora.com/posts/6823774 | Nov 17 11:30 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: Anne Frank foundation moves to keep famous diary copyrighted for 35 more years http://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/2015/11/anne-frank-foundation-moves-to-keep-famous-diary-copyrighted-for-35-more-years/ #copyright milking the dead artists, too | Nov 17 11:31 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights--> arstechnica.com | Anne Frank foundation moves to keep famous diary copyrighted for 35 more years | Ars Technica | Nov 17 11:31 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Kubuntu 15.10 Wily Werewolf - Pretty useless | Nov 17 11:40 |
| TweetTuxMachines | https://t.co/MHSmWeGzVy (www.dedoimedo.com) | Nov 17 11:40 |
| TweetTuxMachines | "Avoid at all costs. 0/10" | Nov 17 11:40 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.dedoimedo.com | Kubuntu 15.10 Wily Werewolf - Pretty useless | Nov 17 11:40 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @Vlsu "Vlsu's Linux Daily" is out! | Nov 17 11:40 |
| TweetTuxMachines | https://t.co/rgXZMWCqqp (paper.li) Stories via | Nov 17 11:40 |
| TweetTuxMachines | @Stekkz @tuxmachines @Cary88888888 | Nov 17 11:40 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-paper.li | Vlsu’s Linux Daily | Nov 17 11:40 | |
| *TweetTuxMachines @softpedialinux favourited 'GNOME Music App Updated for GNOME 3.18.2 with...' | Nov 17 11:40 | |
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| *TweetTuxMachines @softpedialinux favourited 'ArchEX Live DVD Is Based on Arch Linux,...' | Nov 17 11:40 | |
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| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Links 17/11/2015: BQ Aquaris Ubuntu Edition in | Nov 17 12:15 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Russia, 4K Samsung Tizen (Linux) TVs | Nov 17 12:15 |
| TweetTuxMachines | https://t.co/Ua2jEnbpjR (techrights.org) | Nov 17 12:15 |
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| *TweetTuxMachines @schestowitz retweeted @tuxmachines: 'Links 17/11/2015: BQ Aquaris Ubuntu Edition in Russia,...' | Nov 17 12:15 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Links 17/11/2015: BQ Aquaris Ubuntu Edition in Russia, 4K Samsung Tizen (Linux) TVs | Techrights | Nov 17 12:15 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Kubuntu 15.10 Wily Werewolf - Pretty useless | Nov 17 12:16 |
| TweetTuxMachines | https://t.co/SYKkUOhTkJ (www.tuxmachines.org) | Nov 17 12:16 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Kubuntu 15.10 Wily Werewolf - Pretty useless | Tux Machines | Nov 17 12:17 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines France votes for open source, Govt. not keen | Nov 17 12:17 |
| TweetTuxMachines | https://t.co/zBj4u0BITh (www.tuxmachines.org) | Nov 17 12:17 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | France votes for open source, Govt. not keen | Tux Machines | Nov 17 12:17 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Security Leftovers https://t.co/ymEWWiNDvB | Nov 17 12:18 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Security Leftovers | Tux Machines | Nov 17 12:18 | |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/krautlandnewsed/status/666594760438775808 | Nov 17 12:41 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@krautlandnewsed: Last time I saw, a couple of years ago, the UK Border Agency airport terminals were running on #WinXP. https://t.co/3V4nsnMm2e | Nov 17 12:41 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz: Another French Tragedy: Only the Insane Would Put #Windows in Airports https://t.co/C4oV0yaE7J #france #taser #conficker | Nov 17 12:41 | |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/Messgorough/status/666598414549913601 | Nov 17 13:11 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@Messgorough: @schestowitz @krautlandnewsed Tesco still run NT! Seriously!! | Nov 17 13:12 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines today's howtos https://t.co/2wbtIO2W6M | Nov 17 13:36 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | today's howtos | Tux Machines | Nov 17 13:36 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines today's leftovers https://t.co/yQba9AfrjX | Nov 17 13:37 |
| TweetTuxMachines | (www.tuxmachines.org) | Nov 17 13:38 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | today's leftovers | Tux Machines | Nov 17 13:38 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Today in Techrights https://t.co/pvL8of1I6b | Nov 17 13:38 |
| TweetTuxMachines | (www.tuxmachines.org) | Nov 17 13:39 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Today in Techrights | Tux Machines | Nov 17 13:39 | |
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| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines How to customise your Linux desktop: Xfce | Nov 17 14:27 |
| TweetTuxMachines | https://t.co/w5iS6RKxIX (www.zdnet.com) | Nov 17 14:27 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.zdnet.com | How to customise your Linux desktop: Xfce | ZDNet | Nov 17 14:27 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Black Lab Linux 7.0 Launches with Xfce 4.12 and | Nov 17 14:27 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Lots of Improvements https://t.co/6HjzXJu6N0 | Nov 17 14:27 |
| TweetTuxMachines | (news.softpedia.com) | Nov 17 14:27 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-news.softpedia.com | Black Lab Linux 7.0 Launches with Xfce 4.12 and Lots of Improvements - Softpedia | Nov 17 14:27 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @econsystems @tuxmachines Check our #QtCAM #Linux WebCam | Nov 17 14:27 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Software(#opensource) | Nov 17 14:27 |
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| TweetTuxMachines | https://t.co/pO3Qu5drof (www.e-consystems.com) | Nov 17 14:27 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.e-consystems.com | Linux Webcam Software | QtCAM | Open Source Camera App | Nov 17 14:27 | |
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| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines How to customise your Linux desktop: Xfce | Nov 17 15:03 |
| TweetTuxMachines | https://t.co/RronluNHrm (www.tuxmachines.org) | Nov 17 15:03 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | How to customise your Linux desktop: Xfce | Tux Machines | Nov 17 15:03 | |
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| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines 14 amazing open source gifts for the holidays | Nov 17 18:24 |
| TweetTuxMachines | https://t.co/JQ63wYAPLx (www.tuxmachines.org) | Nov 17 18:24 |
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| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Black Lab Linux 7.0 Launches with Xfce 4.12 and | Nov 17 18:24 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Lots of Improvements https://t.co/g9YVEntk1D | Nov 17 18:24 |
| TweetTuxMachines | (www.tuxmachines.org) | Nov 17 18:24 |
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| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Today in Techrights https://t.co/YpbUWmglPm | Nov 17 18:24 |
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| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines LXCFS Vulnerabilities Fixed in Ubuntu 15.10 and | Nov 18 01:50 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Ubuntu 15.04 https://t.co/6SLkmSNcm7 | Nov 18 01:50 |
| TweetTuxMachines | (www.tuxmachines.org) | Nov 18 01:50 |
| TweetTuxMachines | ........................................ http://twitter.com/tuxmachines/status/666795377765384192 | Nov 18 01:50 |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Best Android Phones: Holiday 2015 | Nov 18 01:50 |
| TweetTuxMachines | https://t.co/SdIyqhtIia (www.tuxmachines.org) | Nov 18 01:50 |
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| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Rugged SODIMM-style COM and SBC run Linux on | Nov 18 01:51 |
| TweetTuxMachines | i.MX7 https://t.co/49m0doMpFd | Nov 18 01:51 |
| TweetTuxMachines | (www.tuxmachines.org) | Nov 18 01:51 |
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| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines China's supercomputer growth is exploding while | Nov 18 01:52 |
| TweetTuxMachines | the US is losing steam https://t.co/Mh3RYMFjNj | Nov 18 01:52 |
| TweetTuxMachines | (www.tuxmachines.org) | Nov 18 01:52 |
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| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Ubuntu Touch OTA-9 Will be Released Next Year, | Nov 18 01:52 |
| TweetTuxMachines | on January 20, 2016 https://t.co/f6lkLJUU5w | Nov 18 01:52 |
| TweetTuxMachines | (www.tuxmachines.org) | Nov 18 01:52 |
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| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Plotly to open source its dataviz code | Nov 18 09:35 |
| TweetTuxMachines | https://t.co/FXj5u1mcv7 (www.tuxmachines.org) | Nov 18 09:35 |
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| liberty_box | On vacation at the moment. It has just been mentioned that I'm threatened by EPO http://www.fosspatents.com/2015/11/epo-labor-dispute-getting-completely.html | Nov 18 09:41 |
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| TechrightsBot-tr | Hello World! I'm TechrightsBot-tr running phIRCe v0.75 | Nov 18 09:44 |
| liberty_box | https://twitter.com/FOSSpatents/status/666913543028088833 | Nov 18 09:47 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@FOSSpatents: @schestowitz @Ipkat Spontaneous SUEPO demo at 12.30 CET in front of EPO main building in Munich. I can't go. Maybe you can obtain pictures. | Nov 18 09:47 | |
| liberty_box | need a mirror (or several) for EPO articles to discourage the EPO from bullying pages (information) out of existence | Nov 18 09:48 |
| liberty_box | cubexyz, feel free to make a mirror of the EPO articles | Nov 18 09:48 |
| liberty_box | others too | Nov 18 09:48 |
| liberty_box | the EPO wants to censor Techrights | Nov 18 09:49 |
| liberty_box | not just internally | Nov 18 09:49 |
| liberty_box | http://techrights.org/wiki/index.php/EPO | Nov 18 09:49 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | EPO - Techrights | Nov 18 09:49 | |
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| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Canonical Announces OpenStack Autopilot Tool | Nov 18 10:26 |
| TweetTuxMachines | for Major Cloud Cost Savings | Nov 18 10:26 |
| TweetTuxMachines | https://t.co/DyGxiQeg4z (www.tuxmachines.org) | Nov 18 10:26 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Canonical Announces OpenStack Autopilot Tool for Major Cloud Cost Savings | Tux Machines | Nov 18 10:26 | |
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| MinceR | http://i.imgur.com/KJoL6wB.png | Nov 18 10:32 |
| cubexyz | haha | Nov 18 10:33 |
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| MinceR | oiaohm: http://anonscm.debian.org/cgit/pkg-systemd/systemd.git/commit/?h=ubuntu&id=28640752854 | Nov 18 10:44 |
| MinceR | oh snap! | Nov 18 10:44 |
| MinceR | "cgroup notification is unreliable" | Nov 18 10:44 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-anonscm.debian.org | pkg-systemd/systemd - systemd packaging | Nov 18 10:44 | |
| cubexyz | what is this systemd you speak of? | Nov 18 10:44 |
| cubexyz | it must be from the future :) | Nov 18 10:45 |
| MinceR | :) | Nov 18 10:45 |
| cubexyz | http://www.maxhost.org/other/systemd-gandalf.png | Nov 18 10:49 |
| cubexyz | The noveau-Linux GUI-first crowd doesn't care about Unix Philosophies | Nov 18 10:56 |
| cubexyz | old Linux is fine though | Nov 18 10:57 |
| cubexyz | I've heard from debian wheezy users that upgraded to debian testing that their system would not start | Nov 18 11:04 |
| MinceR | back when debian was stable i didn't see any point in using a non-stable release, other than for developing debian itself | Nov 18 11:05 |
| MinceR | now it doesn't matter, it's a ruin anyway | Nov 18 11:05 |
| cubexyz | well, I noted the date I first installed q4os: aug, 12th, 2015 | Nov 18 11:07 |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Today in Techrights https://t.co/YpbUWmglPm | Nov 18 11:07 |
| TweetTuxMachines | retweeted by (www.tuxmachines.org) | Nov 18 11:07 |
| TweetTuxMachines | @schestowitz | Nov 18 11:07 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Today in Techrights | Tux Machines | Nov 18 11:07 | |
| *TweetTuxMachines saw that retweet of @tuxmachines by @The_Code_Shirts too | Nov 18 11:07 | |
| cubexyz | I know the q4os init is compatible with the System V init | Nov 18 11:09 |
| cubexyz | so that's my "solution" | Nov 18 11:09 |
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| *TweetTuxMachines @The_Code_Shirts retweeted @tuxmachines: 'Today in Techrights https://t.co/pvL8of1I6b' | Nov 18 11:57 | |
| *TweetTuxMachines @softpedialinux favourited 'Ubuntu MATE Developers Are Preparing Something Special for...' | Nov 18 11:57 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Today in Techrights | Tux Machines | Nov 18 11:57 | |
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| oiaohm | MinceR: sorry I have some bad news "cgroup notification is unreliable." is not exactly true. The cgroup designed listed how notifications how to be set up. Of course for many versions systemd was no doing that right. | Nov 18 14:07 |
| MinceR | oiaohm: the emperor has no clothes | Nov 18 14:08 |
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| MinceR | killing all running cron jobs when restarting cron was also ingenious | Nov 18 14:11 |
| MinceR | especially when one of them ran a system update which updated cron | Nov 18 14:11 |
| oiaohm | systemd is not always the brightest tool on the shelf. | Nov 18 14:12 |
| MinceR | it's shiny, though | Nov 18 14:12 |
| MinceR | the kids love it | Nov 18 14:12 |
| oiaohm | Also systemd is not the only init system on Unix to pull kill all cron when restarting it. | Nov 18 14:13 |
| oiaohm | smf on solaris when it first wrapped stuff in zones also did that stunt. | Nov 18 14:13 |
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| oiaohm | MinceR: also remember under cron under sysvinit it was possible to end up with a growing stack of jammed processes under cron as well. | Nov 18 14:15 |
| oiaohm | Attempting to fix the cron failures in sysvinit end up for solaris and systemd developers creating another set of failures. | Nov 18 14:16 |
| MinceR | no, this was created by cargoculting cgroups | Nov 18 14:16 |
| oiaohm | zones is solaris kernel cgroups. | Nov 18 14:17 |
| MinceR | i doubt they're the same | Nov 18 14:17 |
| oiaohm | Tracking all the processes of a service and attempting to enforce clean service shutdown if you are not careful leads to termination. | Nov 18 14:17 |
| oiaohm | Of what you should not be terminating. | Nov 18 14:18 |
| MinceR | cron jobs are not "processes of a service" | Nov 18 14:18 |
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| oiaohm | MinceR: sorry you made a mistake. | Nov 18 14:19 |
| oiaohm | crond runs sub processes that are the cron jobs. | Nov 18 14:19 |
| oiaohm | Now if you have wrapped crond in a zone or a cgroup then enforce termination you are going to kill a little too much. | Nov 18 14:19 |
| MinceR | oiaohm: sorry, you made a mistake. | Nov 18 14:20 |
| MinceR | if cron jobs are "processes of a service", then everything running on your system is just "processes of init" | Nov 18 14:20 |
| MinceR | so stopping a service is just shutting down | Nov 18 14:20 |
| MinceR | and restarting a service is just rebooting | Nov 18 14:20 |
| MinceR | and guess what cancerd did to crond | Nov 18 14:21 |
| oiaohm | smf also rewrote crond to something that allowed each cron job to get its own zone. | Nov 18 14:21 |
| MinceR | gnu/linux has no obligation to copy slowlaris design flaws | Nov 18 14:22 |
| oiaohm | Yes everything is a subprocess of PID 1 under Linux. That is why a disconnected process end up connected to PID1 is that everything is processes off PID1. | Nov 18 14:22 |
| oiaohm | Problem is some of these faults will just happen as soon as you attempt to implement proper process tracking and containment. | Nov 18 14:23 |
| oiaohm | Even upstart ptrace based solution screwed crond over. | Nov 18 14:24 |
| MinceR | can you quote me saying upstart isn't broken? | Nov 18 14:24 |
| oiaohm | deamontools before upstart with crond also had issues with forced termiantion. | Nov 18 14:25 |
| MinceR | also, what cancerd does is not "implement proper process tracking and containment.", it's very far from that | Nov 18 14:25 |
| MinceR | and yet i don't see any desktop environment try to force upstart or daemontools on users, somehow | Nov 18 14:26 |
| XRevan86 | MinceR: Unity | Nov 18 14:26 |
| oiaohm | upstart was forced on a lot of users and no one noticed MinceR | Nov 18 14:26 |
| oiaohm | Because it used the same sysvinit configuration files. | Nov 18 14:26 |
| oiaohm | Ok not many noticed. | Nov 18 14:26 |
| MinceR | and yet it could be swapped out again | Nov 18 14:26 |
| MinceR | n00buntu replaced it with systemd | Nov 18 14:26 |
| XRevan86 | upstart has API Unity uses even now | Nov 18 14:27 |
| MinceR | can you replace systemd with something else? no. | Nov 18 14:27 |
| oiaohm | Note what XRevan86 said MinceR | Nov 18 14:27 |
| oiaohm | Ubuntu swaping back to sysvinit from upstart caused thing to get badly upset | Nov 18 14:27 |
| MinceR | so what you're saying is that systemd being broken is OK, because upstart was almost as broken? | Nov 18 14:28 |
| oiaohm | upstart was more broken. | Nov 18 14:28 |
| oiaohm | Than systemd if you look under hood. | Nov 18 14:29 |
| roy_away | https://twitter.com/IAM_magazine/status/666985819769585664 | Nov 18 14:29 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@IAM_magazine: Meet Dr Roy - open to all opinions and without any kind of agenda P https://t.co/GVGXCxzFds | Nov 18 14:29 | |
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| oiaohm | By the time you guys started complaining it was too late. | Nov 18 14:29 |
| MinceR | yes, systemd fans believe systemd is not broken | Nov 18 14:29 |
| MinceR | ignore everything, pretend the emperor is not naked | Nov 18 14:29 |
| MinceR | < anon> anon: no reason to be shy here, with GNU/systemd (read: "debian") i had major issues over the last months and endless debugging sessions trying to | Nov 18 14:29 |
| MinceR | migrate my init-scripts (which truely are sophisticated and/or complex sometimes) to a systemd unit. oh jesus don't get me started. | Nov 18 14:30 |
| MinceR | < anon> anon: ended up using freebsd again as a desktop system because i seriously couldn't stand the stability of systemd anymore. | Nov 18 14:30 |
| MinceR | < anon> deployments breaking, systems failing to come up because they eternally wait for running start/stop jobs, all that crap. | Nov 18 14:30 |
| MinceR | < anon> it's impressive how heavy kay and lennart managed to break a whole landscape of distributions with this crap. | Nov 18 14:30 |
| MinceR | the cancerd success story | Nov 18 14:30 |
| oiaohm | There are more than 1 side to every story. | Nov 18 14:31 |
| oiaohm | https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCvq_RgZp3kljp9X8Io9Z1DA | Nov 18 14:32 |
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| oiaohm | for every horible story there are some stories showing what systemd does well. | Nov 18 14:33 |
| oiaohm | Of course I don't say systemd is perfect. It still has it faults. | Nov 18 14:33 |
| oiaohm | MinceR: https://github.com/systemd/systemd/blob/dd050decb6ad131ebdeabb71c4f9ecb4733269c0/NEWS I guess you have not read the 288 new features. | Nov 18 14:40 |
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| oiaohm | MinceR: DefaultTasksMax= is a nice new nasty supprise. Of course this is attempting to prevent services from consuming the system out of house and home. | Nov 18 14:41 |
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| cubexyz | I don't even think vector starts crond | Nov 18 14:57 |
| cubexyz | must have turn it off at some point | Nov 18 15:00 |
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| cubexyz | I've made some observations on cron's history | Nov 19 03:29 |
| cubexyz | before v7 cron was not very reliable but it did exist | Nov 19 03:30 |
| cubexyz | so in Unix v7 init doesn't start cron | Nov 19 03:30 |
| cubexyz | /etc/rc starts /etc/cron | Nov 19 03:30 |
| cubexyz | pwd | Nov 19 03:30 |
| cubexyz | of course this is also pre-sysv and pre-systemIII | Nov 19 03:31 |
| *amarsh04 remembers how in Novell UnixWare the cron that shipped would tend to lock up over time | Nov 19 03:33 | |
| *MinceR expects oiaohm to present this as a failing of modern sysvinit/cron :> | Nov 19 03:35 | |
| cubexyz | a closed source Unix from the bad old days | Nov 19 03:36 |
| cubexyz | one can't say sysv and cron doesn't work in FC1 | Nov 19 03:36 |
| MinceR | a cancerd zealot will, though | Nov 19 03:36 |
| cubexyz | I have empirical evidence that it does work, 376 days and counting | Nov 19 03:37 |
| cubexyz | X doesn't appear to be leaking memory | Nov 19 03:38 |
| cubexyz | so I have to give FC1 the thumbs up :) | Nov 19 03:38 |
| cubexyz | of course the repos died long ago | Nov 19 03:40 |
| cubexyz | well I think it's well tested... almost 12 years now | Nov 19 03:42 |
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| msb__ | cubexyz: Says here Q4OS uses systemd: http://distrowatch.com/table.php?distribution=q4os | Nov 19 18:57 |
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| msb__ | How can it be a solution? | Nov 19 18:57 |
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| r_schestowitz | [18:57] <msb__> cubexyz: Says here Q4OS uses systemd: http://distrowatch.com/table.php?distribution=q4os | Nov 19 20:33 |
| r_schestowitz | Few don't | Nov 19 20:33 |
| r_schestowitz | and those that don't might suffer | Nov 19 20:33 |
| r_schestowitz | like those who insist on staying with Trinity and/or KDE4 (like PCLOS) | Nov 19 20:34 |
| r_schestowitz | When Debian caved in to Red Hat it had a chain reacton | Nov 19 20:34 |
| r_schestowitz | Many Ubuntu which is based on Debian, so.... | Nov 19 20:34 |
| msb__ | r_schestowitz: What does KDE5/Plasma do that is really beneficial? It just includes a huge amount of bling and bloat. | Nov 19 20:36 |
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| msb__ | I've used KDE3 for many years, and, along with konsole and mc, and a bunch of scripts I've written, it does everything I want, fast and efficiently. | Nov 19 20:38 |
| msb__ | I think a lot of "improvements" are simply changes by programmers who have nothing else to do. One of the most important principles of software engineering is, "If it ain't broke, don't fix it." | Nov 19 20:40 |
| msb__ | A shell, GUI or CLI (I use both together) should provide a minimal user interface to the OS -- enough to do what the user wants, and no more. My system does that. | Nov 19 20:42 |
| msb__ | The purpose of a shell is not to look pretty, nor to provide an infinite number of "bling" customizations. It's purpose is to do what the user wants, and otherwise keep out of the way. If the user wants to look at something pretty, s/he can view a picture or watch a video. I don't even use a background picture, because it would distract the eye, making it hard to locate, e.g., a desired window, and because it would get boring after | Nov 19 20:46 |
| msb__ | a while. | Nov 19 20:46 |
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| msb__ | As to systemd, I most certainly do not want an enormous pile of crud that is so complicated that nobody can understand it or predict what it will do (and I'm just talking about it's init system here), to be in total control of my computer. It's hard to imagine a more stupid move than using systemd, even if it isn't used to hide a backdoor through which the US government can kill every Linux computer. | Nov 19 20:51 |
| msb__ | it's --> its | Nov 19 20:52 |
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| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Ubuntu 15.10 review: Wily Werewolf leaves scary | Nov 19 21:22 |
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| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/alvfig/status/667495361762738177 https://twitter.com/eliaspraciano/status/667489213785444354 | Nov 20 00:14 |
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| cubexyz | schestowitz, the version of Q4OS I am using doesn't use systemd | Nov 20 00:39 |
| MinceR | is it an older release? | Nov 20 00:40 |
| cubexyz | it's based on debian wheezy and I removed systemd | Nov 20 00:41 |
| MinceR | ic | Nov 20 00:41 |
| cubexyz | there could be other versions of q4os that do have it by default | Nov 20 00:41 |
| cubexyz | as with AntiX you merely do: apt-get remove systemd | Nov 20 00:42 |
| cubexyz | I wrote a short review of AntiX: | Nov 20 00:44 |
| cubexyz | http://cubexyz.blogspot.ca/search?q=AntiX | Nov 20 00:44 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-cubexyz.blogspot.ca | Notes on Linux | Nov 20 00:44 | |
| cubexyz | all the sysv stuff is supported | Nov 20 00:44 |
| cubexyz | so if you came from the sysv world you'll be comfortable | Nov 20 00:45 |
| cubexyz | it's the same in wheezy itself of course, it is easy to remove systemd from it | Nov 20 00:46 |
| cubexyz | KDE3 people would also be at home with q4os | Nov 20 00:47 |
| cubexyz | that's the main reason why I tried it actually, because trinity was rolled in and ready to go | Nov 20 00:47 |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/sapo2025/status/667504109386379266 | Nov 20 00:48 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@sapo2025: @eliaspraciano @coisasdogeek @alvfig @hgfernan @Mackellsud @Darkwings1Mr @schestowitz @brigserman @ro7_so67 Ótima Sexta-Feira à todos | Nov 20 00:48 | |
| schestowitz | I'm stuck with systemd now | Nov 20 00:49 |
| schestowitz | I'm not sure what it is I'm not liking, Kubuntu, KF5, or systemd (or some of them combined) | Nov 20 00:49 |
| schestowitz | But it's still a mess | Nov 20 00:49 |
| schestowitz | I miss kde4 | Nov 20 00:49 |
| cubexyz | if you're not sure about a distro using systemd always do a "man init" and look for sysv | Nov 20 00:49 |
| schestowitz | when moving to kde4 permanently I didn't miss kde3 as much | Nov 20 00:49 |
| cubexyz | if it doesn't mention sysv at all, you're probably in systemd-land | Nov 20 00:50 |
| schestowitz | red land | Nov 20 00:50 |
| cubexyz | schestowitz, give q4os a try | Nov 20 00:50 |
| cubexyz | it's got the KDE4 stuff as well | Nov 20 00:50 |
| schestowitz | naaa.... too late now | Nov 20 00:50 |
| cubexyz | it is a hybrid of trinity + KDE4 parts | Nov 20 00:50 |
| schestowitz | my settings are in qt5/kf5 format | Nov 20 00:50 |
| schestowitz | I might as well just 'pray' kf5 will be redeemed in due some and the mess resolved | Nov 20 00:51 |
| schestowitz | /some/time/ | Nov 20 00:51 |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/sapo2025/status/667505276539576320 | Nov 20 00:51 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@sapo2025: @alvfig @eliaspraciano @coisasdogeek @hgfernan @Mackellsud @Darkwings1Mr @schestowitz @brigserman @ro7_so67 ihhhh.. Eu trampo... 😭😭😭 | Nov 20 00:51 | |
| cubexyz | /sbin/runlevel reports N 2, just like FC1 | Nov 20 00:52 |
| msb__ | what does locate sbin/init report? | Nov 20 00:54 |
| cubexyz | /sbin/init | Nov 20 00:54 |
| msb__ | same here | Nov 20 00:55 |
| msb__ | may be more accurate than relying on man pages | Nov 20 00:55 |
| cubexyz | if you do man init on a systemd system it will say: "systemd, init - systemd System and Service Manager" | Nov 20 00:57 |
| cubexyz | if you try q4os the first thing to do is: apt-get remove systemd | Nov 20 00:58 |
| msb__ | Will that work on the Jessie version? | Nov 20 00:59 |
| cubexyz | no, it's a lot more work to remove systemd on jessie | Nov 20 00:59 |
| cubexyz | http://without-systemd.org/wiki/index.php/How_to_remove_systemd_from_a_Debian_jessie/sid_installation | Nov 20 01:00 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-without-systemd.org | How to remove systemd from a Debian jessie/sid installation - Without Systemd | Nov 20 01:00 | |
| cubexyz | but it's not too bad | Nov 20 01:00 |
| MinceR | i tend to check the command name in ps -p 1 | Nov 20 01:01 |
| MinceR | but i'm not sure how reliable that is | Nov 20 01:01 |
| MinceR | also, ps auxw|grep systemd | Nov 20 01:01 |
| MinceR | (or logind) | Nov 20 01:02 |
| cubexyz | right, that should report systemd if it's using it | Nov 20 01:03 |
| cubexyz | I have one systemd machine just for knowledge reasons, but the other 9 are not :) | Nov 20 01:03 |
| cubexyz | also one can do: dpkg-query -l *sysv* | Nov 20 01:07 |
| cubexyz | that should find all the sysv packages | Nov 20 01:07 |
| cubexyz | my advice is if you're not sure which distro to pick is to set up a secondary or tetiary box for experimenting purposes | Nov 20 01:12 |
| cubexyz | don't depend on one distro for everything | Nov 20 01:12 |
| cubexyz | tertiary... | Nov 20 01:12 |
| cubexyz | I'm seeing lots of complaints about Ubuntu on the net these days | Nov 20 01:14 |
| cubexyz | if you want Debian, AntiX or Q4OS are fine | Nov 20 01:15 |
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| cubexyz | personally I think Q4OS is a bit more interesting, but both are OK | Nov 20 01:15 |
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| cubexyz | here's some q4os notes for starters: | Nov 20 01:17 |
| cubexyz | http://www.maxhost.org/other/q4os-notes.txt | Nov 20 01:17 |
| cubexyz | I'll add more to it as time goes by | Nov 20 01:18 |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines GNOME 3.19.2 unstable tarballs due | Nov 20 01:19 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-news.softpedia.com | Solus 1.0 Operating System to Launch Before Christmas | Nov 20 01:49 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Ubuntu Touch OTA-8 Update Officially Released | Nov 20 01:54 |
| TweetTuxMachines | https://t.co/CybQS3XRTO (news.softpedia.com) | Nov 20 01:54 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-news.softpedia.com | Ubuntu Touch OTA-8 Update Officially Released | Nov 20 01:54 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-news.softpedia.com | Ubuntu Touch OTA-8 Is Now Live, New Features Start Landing for OTA-9 | Nov 20 01:54 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Nvidia Driver Now Supports Xorg 1.18, It's | Nov 20 01:54 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Getting Difficult to Track Them All | Nov 20 01:54 |
| TweetTuxMachines | https://t.co/hSVeGmJ7r8 (news.softpedia.com) | Nov 20 01:54 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-news.softpedia.com | Nvidia Driver Now Supports Xorg 1.18, It's Getting Difficult to Track Them All | Nov 20 01:54 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Ubuntu 15.10 review: Wily Werewolf leaves scary | Nov 20 01:54 |
| TweetTuxMachines | experimentation for next year | Nov 20 01:54 |
| TweetTuxMachines | https://t.co/CS4DBXEU8C (arstechnica.com) | Nov 20 01:54 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-arstechnica.com | Ubuntu 15.10 review: Wily Werewolf leaves scary experimentation for next year | Ars Technica | Nov 20 01:54 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines KDE Plasma 5.5 Beta Has Too Many New Features | Nov 20 01:55 |
| TweetTuxMachines | to Count and Over 1000 Fixes | Nov 20 01:55 |
| TweetTuxMachines | https://t.co/REMhoTatFD (news.softpedia.com) | Nov 20 01:55 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-news.softpedia.com | KDE Plasma 5.5 Beta Has Too Many New Features to Count and Over 1000 Fixes | Nov 20 01:55 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines GeekBox is an Android & Ubuntu mini PC… and | Nov 20 01:55 |
| TweetTuxMachines | developer platform https://t.co/2AM8eDvSdX | Nov 20 01:55 |
| TweetTuxMachines | (liliputing.com) | Nov 20 01:55 |
| TweetTuxMachines | ........................................ http://ur1.ca/oalcv | Nov 20 01:56 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-liliputing.com | GeekBox is an Android & Ubuntu mini PC... and developer platform - Liliputing | Nov 20 01:56 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Parrot’s Bebop 2: smaller, faster, | Nov 20 01:56 |
| TweetTuxMachines | longer-lasting, Linux-fortified | Nov 20 01:56 |
| TweetTuxMachines | https://t.co/Shh2gqxsCl (linuxgizmos.com) | Nov 20 01:56 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-linuxgizmos.com | Parrot's Bebop 2: smaller, faster, longer-lasting, Linux-fortified · LinuxGizmos.com | Nov 20 01:56 | |
| *TweetTuxMachines @softpedialinux favourited 'Solus 1.0 Operating System to Launch Before Christmas...' | Nov 20 01:56 | |
| *TweetTuxMachines @softpedialinux favourited 'Ubuntu Touch OTA-8 Update Officially Released https://t.co/CybQS3XRTO https://t.co/FyqutCkfjO' | Nov 20 01:56 | |
| *TweetTuxMachines @softpedialinux favourited 'Nvidia Driver Now Supports Xorg 1.18, It's Getting...' | Nov 20 01:56 | |
| *TweetTuxMachines @softpedialinux favourited 'KDE Plasma 5.5 Beta Has Too Many New...' | Nov 20 01:56 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-news.softpedia.com | Ubuntu Touch OTA-8 Update Officially Released | Nov 20 01:56 | |
| *TweetTuxMachines @techmuser favourited 'Parrot’s Bebop 2: smaller, faster, longer-lasting, Linux-fortified https://t.co/Shh2gqxsCl' | Nov 20 01:56 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Red Hat adds up-to-date languages to RHEL | Nov 20 01:56 |
| TweetTuxMachines | https://t.co/lLlHIhtIEt (www.zdnet.com) | Nov 20 01:56 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.zdnet.com | Red Hat adds up-to-date languages to RHEL | ZDNet | Nov 20 01:56 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines i.MX6 SoloX COM sports dual GbE controllers | Nov 20 01:59 |
| TweetTuxMachines | https://t.co/5Zxjnmk93Q (linuxgizmos.com) | Nov 20 01:59 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-linuxgizmos.com | i.MX6 SoloX COM sports dual GbE controllers · LinuxGizmos.com | Nov 20 01:59 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines If it's not practical to redistribute free | Nov 20 01:59 |
| TweetTuxMachines | software, it's not free software in practice | Nov 20 01:59 |
| TweetTuxMachines | https://t.co/DqU3ohxOwx (mjg59.dreamwidth.org) | Nov 20 01:59 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-mjg59.dreamwidth.org | mjg59 | If it's not practical to redistribute free software, it's not free software in practice | Nov 20 01:59 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Clonezilla Live 2.4.3-3 Linux Distro Adds | Nov 20 01:59 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Support for NILFS2, Based on Debian Sid | Nov 20 01:59 |
| TweetTuxMachines | https://t.co/HgBY1egPZr (news.softpedia.com) | Nov 20 01:59 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-news.softpedia.com | Clonezilla Live 2.4.3-3 Linux Distro Adds Support for NILFS2, Based on Debian Sid | Nov 20 02:00 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines GNOME 3.19.2 unstable tarballs due | Nov 20 02:00 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-permalink.gmane.org | GNOME 3.19.2 unstable tarballs due | Nov 20 02:00 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines 8 ways Red Hat’s CMO is building a modern | Nov 20 02:01 |
| TweetTuxMachines | marketing strategy https://t.co/txBamyGUgi | Nov 20 02:01 |
| TweetTuxMachines | (www.cmo.com.au) | Nov 20 02:01 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.cmo.com.au | 8 ways Red Hat’s CMO is building a modern marketing strategy - CMO Australia | Nov 20 02:01 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines How were Linux kernel servers rooted four years | Nov 20 02:01 |
| TweetTuxMachines | ago? https://t.co/Z50p6M4Snu (www.itwire.com) | Nov 20 02:01 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.itwire.com | iTWire - How were Linux kernel servers rooted four years ago? | Nov 20 02:01 | |
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| *Topic for #techrights set by schestowitz!~schestowi@unaffiliated/schestowitz at Sat Jun 9 18:16:19 2012 | Nov 20 02:15 | |
| *TweetTuxMachines @softpedialinux favourited 'Clonezilla Live 2.4.3-3 Linux Distro Adds Support for...' | Nov 20 02:15 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Cherry Trail stick-PC supports Android, Ubuntu | Nov 20 02:15 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Snappy https://t.co/kxRxebtCAv | Nov 20 02:15 |
| TweetTuxMachines | (linuxgizmos.com) | Nov 20 02:15 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-linuxgizmos.com | Cherry Trail stick-PC supports Android, Ubuntu Snappy · LinuxGizmos.com | Nov 20 02:15 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Watch: DOOM First-Person Shooter Video Game | Nov 20 02:15 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Running on Ubuntu Phone https://t.co/i5WxqP1356 | Nov 20 02:15 |
| TweetTuxMachines | (linux.softpedia.com) | Nov 20 02:15 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-linux.softpedia.com | Watch: DOOM First-Person Shooter Video Game Running on Ubuntu Phone | Nov 20 02:15 | |
| *TweetTuxMachines @softpedialinux favourited 'Watch: DOOM First-Person Shooter Video Game Running on...' | Nov 20 02:22 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Changing Tack: Evolving Attitudes to Open | Nov 20 02:23 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Source https://t.co/TJlyIOeO0r | Nov 20 02:23 |
| TweetTuxMachines | (www.tuxmachines.org) | Nov 20 02:23 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Changing Tack: Evolving Attitudes to Open Source | Tux Machines | Nov 20 02:23 | |
| schestowitz | Re: Microshafts latest strategy to kill google | Nov 20 02:37 |
| schestowitz | > Integrate Bing directly into the desktop and applications: quote: | Nov 20 02:37 |
| schestowitz | > | Nov 20 02:37 |
| schestowitz | > "Microsoft’s strategy was based on making search an “ambient” experience | Nov 20 02:37 |
| schestowitz | > by integrating Bing into multiple features, including Office and the | Nov 20 02:37 |
| schestowitz | > personal assistant service Cortana .. Microsoft was prepared to | Nov 20 02:37 |
| schestowitz | > introduce Bing into the Skype platform to benefit users" | Nov 20 02:37 |
| schestowitz | > | Nov 20 02:37 |
| schestowitz | > “In Windows 10 you are seeing Bing integrated into the overall service.” | Nov 20 02:37 |
| schestowitz | > | Nov 20 02:37 |
| schestowitz | > 'Users of the Word word-processing system can right-click on a word or | Nov 20 02:37 |
| schestowitz | > phrase and receive insights directly from the Bing index.' | Nov 20 02:37 |
| schestowitz | > | Nov 20 02:37 |
| schestowitz | > http://www.independent.co.uk/news/business/analysis-and-features/rik-van-der-kooi-microsoft-ups-its-challenge-to-google-with-big-plans-for-bing-a6739976.html | Nov 20 02:37 |
| schestowitz | They won't succeed. They're trying though... OEMs are breaking up with them. More over time... | Nov 20 02:37 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.independent.co.uk | Rik van der Kooi: Microsoft ups its challenge to Google with big plans for Bing | Business Analysis & Features | News | The Independent [ http://ur1.ca/oam1x ] | Nov 20 02:37 | |
| schestowitz | Re: NYC Map the Homeless .. | Nov 20 02:37 |
| schestowitz | > http://nycmapthehomeless.com/map.php | Nov 20 02:37 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-nycmapthehomeless.com | NYC Map The Homeless | Nov 20 02:37 | |
| schestowitz | > | Nov 20 02:37 |
| schestowitz | > This is an interesting app, how would someone go about creating | Nov 20 02:37 |
| schestowitz | > something similar for London. it would be of use to the Homeless sector. | Nov 20 02:37 |
| schestowitz | > The gov says the numbers are going down while the charities say the | Nov 20 02:37 |
| schestowitz | > opposite. | Nov 20 02:37 |
| schestowitz | Borisism | Nov 20 02:37 |
| cubexyz | hmmmm | Nov 20 02:40 |
| cubexyz | I would have thought that the homeless would be a certain percentage of the population | Nov 20 02:40 |
| cubexyz | pop goes up homeless goes up | Nov 20 02:40 |
| schestowitz | https://joindiaspora.com/posts/6829408 | Nov 20 02:41 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: Microsoft reuses an old script and it's a lie http://news.softpedia.com/news/microsoft-windows-10-is-the-most-secure-operating-system-496352.shtml if back doors and spyware is 'security' http://techrights.org/wiki/index.php/Vista_10_Reality_Log | Nov 20 02:41 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights--> news.softpedia.com | Microsoft: Windows 10 Is the Most Secure Operating System | Nov 20 02:41 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights--> techrights.org | Vista 10 Reality Log - Techrights | Nov 20 02:41 | |
| schestowitz | "Windows es malo, espía, restringe y controla al usuario de lo que hace…" | Nov 20 02:41 |
| schestowitz | "^ verdad' | Nov 20 02:41 |
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| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines MagicStick and More Ubuntu | Nov 20 03:45 |
| TweetTuxMachines | https://t.co/dTm9w1B5u1 (www.tuxmachines.org) | Nov 20 03:45 |
| TweetTuxMachines | ........................................ http://ur1.ca/oan9m | Nov 20 03:45 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | MagicStick and More Ubuntu | Tux Machines | Nov 20 03:45 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Bodhi 3.1.1 Released, Fedora 21 EOL, Mint 17.3 | Nov 20 03:45 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Betas https://t.co/tXDbdja6s6 | Nov 20 03:45 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Bodhi 3.1.1 Released, Fedora 21 EOL, Mint 17.3 Betas | Tux Machines | Nov 20 03:45 | |
| cubexyz | ok, some updates to foss-matrix: | Nov 20 04:56 |
| cubexyz | http://www.maxhost.org/other/foss-matrix.txt | Nov 20 04:56 |
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| *TweetTuxMachines @SmartHomeDB favourited 'ZigBee home automation design kits use RPi-based gateway...' | Nov 20 09:07 | |
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| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines What's the Future of the Chromebook? | Nov 20 10:45 |
| TweetTuxMachines | https://t.co/fJIjoCaafo | Nov 20 10:45 |
| TweetTuxMachines | (www.consumerreports.org) | Nov 20 10:45 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.consumerreports.org | What's the Future of the Chromebook? - Consumer Reports | Nov 20 10:45 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines MOST Linux Driver Supports Microchip Interface | Nov 20 10:45 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Controllers https://t.co/zLIimKmUK0 | Nov 20 10:45 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-electronics360.globalspec.com | MOST Linux Driver Supports Microchip Interface Controllers | IHS Electronics360 | Nov 20 10:45 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines https://t.co/fa0NntTwrp | Nov 20 10:45 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-networking.itbusinessnet.com | Cloudpaging Leader Numecent Announces $15.5M Series-B Investment | Nov 20 10:45 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @MUSTart Open #Community #Art #Projects Award | Nov 20 10:50 |
| TweetTuxMachines | https://t.co/Pextu6fEep (paper.li) | Nov 20 10:50 |
| TweetTuxMachines | @craftscounciluk @ace_national @tate | Nov 20 10:50 |
| TweetTuxMachines | @bwerner9328 @JamesLomas88 @tuxmachines | Nov 20 10:50 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-paper.li | Open Community Art Projects Award #OpenArt #FreeArt #Art4good | Nov 20 10:50 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Arduino Meets Linux: Arduino introduces its 3rd | Nov 20 10:50 |
| TweetTuxMachines | generation platform https://t.co/aVdLcXHKqc | Nov 20 10:50 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-electronics360.globalspec.com | Arduino Meets Linux: Arduino introduces its 3rd generation platform | IHS Electronics360 | Nov 20 10:50 | |
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| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines More Red Hat News https://t.co/XlyWq5jGKO | Nov 20 11:52 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | More Red Hat News | Tux Machines | Nov 20 11:52 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Leftovers: Gaming https://t.co/qh5A54jU1C | Nov 20 11:53 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Leftovers: Gaming | Tux Machines | Nov 20 11:53 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines today's howtos https://t.co/6VcD18WPFk | Nov 20 11:54 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | today's howtos | Tux Machines | Nov 20 11:54 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Leftovers: Kernel https://t.co/wSqzJWpCbS | Nov 20 12:15 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Leftovers: Kernel | Tux Machines | Nov 20 12:15 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Leftovers: Software https://t.co/aNEteVLAs4 | Nov 20 12:15 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Leftovers: Software | Tux Machines | Nov 20 12:15 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Links 20/11/2015: DockerCon EU, Red Hat | Nov 20 12:16 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Enterprise Linux 7.2 https://t.co/fbkhRMLiJu | Nov 20 12:16 |
| TweetTuxMachines | (techrights.org) | Nov 20 12:16 |
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| *TweetTuxMachines @schestowitz retweeted @tuxmachines: 'Links 20/11/2015: DockerCon EU, Red Hat Enterprise Linux...' | Nov 20 12:16 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Links 20/11/2015: DockerCon EU, Red Hat Enterprise Linux 7.2 | Techrights | Nov 20 12:16 | |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/Sheikh_al_Touar/status/667678874604539904 | Nov 20 12:29 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@Sheikh_al_Touar: Based on my own experience & on feedback received, your work is appreciated & valued, this isn't a rumor but a fact! https://t.co/lmsuY0zIM6 | Nov 20 12:29 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz: Nice to see people appreciating sacrifice https://t.co/EjhRZjlKv2 htt... https://t.co/BfcuHn2h3k | Nov 20 12:29 | |
| *TweetTuxMachines @The_Code_Shirts retweeted @tuxmachines: 'Links 20/11/2015: DockerCon EU, Red Hat Enterprise Linux...' | Nov 20 12:43 | |
| *TweetTuxMachines @softpedialinux favourited 'Snappy Ubuntu Core 16.04 Images to Drop the...' | Nov 20 12:43 | |
| *TweetTuxMachines @softpedialinux favourited 'Latest Ubuntu SDK Release Drops All Qt Dependencies,...' | Nov 20 12:43 | |
| *TweetTuxMachines @softpedialinux favourited 'Pitivi Open-Source Video Editor Gets New Beta Release,...' | Nov 20 13:22 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines More From DockerCon https://t.co/vmeQVM6dZr | Nov 20 13:22 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | More From DockerCon | Tux Machines | Nov 20 13:22 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines today's leftovers https://t.co/XPFPK2SNgW | Nov 20 13:22 |
| TweetTuxMachines | (www.tuxmachines.org) | Nov 20 13:22 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | today's leftovers | Tux Machines | Nov 20 13:23 | |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/sapo2025/status/667711062880477185 | Nov 20 14:47 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@sapo2025: @alvfig @eliaspraciano @coisasdogeek @hgfernan @Mackellsud @Darkwings1Mr @schestowitz @brigserman @ro7_so67 consciência negra?dia de Índio! | Nov 20 14:47 | |
| schestowitz | http://ipkitten.blogspot.co.uk/ | Nov 20 14:51 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-ipkitten.blogspot.co.uk | The IPKat | Nov 20 14:51 | |
| schestowitz | "Around the weblogs 2. Mark Anderson's ever-useful IP Draughts turns its attention to common pitfalls in IP licensing: they are (i) wrong type of transaction, (ii) mismatch of expectations, (iii) wrong mindset for negotiating deal and (iv) being locked into a long-term, loveless relationship. If you want to list any further pitfalls, do post them on Mark's blog. Aistemos asks whether the terms "disruptive innovation" and "disruptive | Nov 20 14:51 |
| schestowitz | technology" are a help or a hindrance to current innovation and investment analyses, and also takes a look at the distribution and ownership of aquaculture patents in today's herding catfish post. Latest European Patent Office-related blogposts: FOSS Patents, here; Techrights, here. The EPO Blog itself reports on a successful start for PCT Direct." | Nov 20 14:51 |
| schestowitz | " Techrights here, here and here; to the contrary effect, see WIPR here and IAM here" | Nov 20 14:51 |
| schestowitz | http://ipkitten.blogspot.co.uk/2015/11/labouring-point-epo-dispute-culture.html | Nov 20 14:51 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-ipkitten.blogspot.co.uk | The IPKat: Labouring the point? EPO dispute culture festers; the contagion spreads | Nov 20 14:51 | |
| schestowitz | " This moggy is not the first blogger to pass comment on the problem. Many readers have already spotted "The International Labour Organisation Highlights Problems of Broader Dimensions at EPO", posted on Roy Schestowitz's Techrights blog, which summarises matters succinctly:" | Nov 20 14:51 |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Improving accessibility for 8 open source | Nov 20 14:52 |
| TweetTuxMachines | projects https://t.co/toj7Jbis7i | Nov 20 14:52 |
| TweetTuxMachines | (www.tuxmachines.org) | Nov 20 14:52 |
| schestowitz | http://ipkitten.blogspot.co.uk/2015/11/labouring-point-epo-dispute-culture.html | Nov 20 14:52 |
| TweetTuxMachines | ........................................ http://ur1.ca/oaooi | Nov 20 14:52 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Improving accessibility for 8 open source projects | Tux Machines | Nov 20 14:52 | |
| schestowitz | " Worth reading http://techrights.org/2015/11/04/epo-iu-secret-matters/ for background to the EPO investigation procedure. Usually, that member of the parish's comments are a bit OTT for my tastes but this time the last contribution seems to explain clearly the power grab by the President which has basically given himself the right to override everybody else's 'rights' and which is one cause of the number of ILO appeals since there is no | Nov 20 14:52 |
| schestowitz | other way to seek even the slightest hope of justice." | Nov 20 14:52 |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Linux monitoring tools to keep your hardware | Nov 20 14:52 |
| TweetTuxMachines | cool https://t.co/P5cQt9sMYm | Nov 20 14:52 |
| TweetTuxMachines | (www.tuxmachines.org) | Nov 20 14:52 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | The EPO’s Investigative Unit Exposed: Part I | Techrights | Nov 20 14:52 | |
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| schestowitz | " | Nov 20 14:52 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Linux monitoring tools to keep your hardware cool | Tux Machines | Nov 20 14:52 | |
| schestowitz | Now there's a follow-on article ... | Nov 20 14:52 |
| schestowitz | The EPO’s Investigative Unit Exposed: Part II | Nov 20 14:52 |
| schestowitz | " | Nov 20 14:52 |
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| TweetTuxMachines | Need to Know https://t.co/oniQTqfu07 | Nov 20 14:52 |
| schestowitz | " | Nov 20 14:52 |
| TweetTuxMachines | (www.tuxmachines.org) | Nov 20 14:52 |
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| schestowitz | Part III has just been published. | Nov 20 14:52 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Unity 8 for Ubuntu Desktop Explained - What You Need to Know | Tux Machines | Nov 20 14:52 | |
| schestowitz | The EPO’s Investigative Unit Exposed: Part III | Nov 20 14:52 |
| schestowitz | Looks like there is more to follow ... | Nov 20 14:53 |
| schestowitz | " | Nov 20 14:53 |
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| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/laurelrusswurm/status/667721499147501568 | Nov 20 15:14 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@laurelrusswurm: @schestowitz The reason states have always been willing to establish #copyright monopoly is to facilitate censorship. | Nov 20 15:14 | |
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| schestowitz | jgay: ping | Nov 20 15:16 |
| jgay | schestowitz, hello! | Nov 20 15:16 |
| schestowitz | I want to ask you something | Nov 20 15:16 |
| schestowitz | Has the FSF looked into the patent agreement between Red Hat and Microsoft? Piana and Tiller would claim it's GPL compatible, but the wording in the FAQ make it look exclusionary and there's no transparency.. | Nov 20 15:17 |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines How To Fix Time Difference Between Ubuntu And | Nov 20 15:41 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Windows https://t.co/2EJySKDIsk | Nov 20 15:41 |
| TweetTuxMachines | (www.tuxmachines.org) | Nov 20 15:41 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | How To Fix Time Difference Between Ubuntu And Windows | Tux Machines | Nov 20 15:41 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Today in Techrights https://t.co/NpEDFFKQdt | Nov 20 15:42 |
| TweetTuxMachines | (www.tuxmachines.org) | Nov 20 15:42 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Today in Techrights | Tux Machines | Nov 20 15:42 | |
| schestowitz | jgay: no comment? | Nov 20 15:52 |
| schestowitz | Can you please ask around, for us...? | Nov 20 15:52 |
| jgay | schestowitz, hi, sorry, I had just signed on for the day and got sucked down the rabbit hole of email, etc | Nov 20 15:53 |
| schestowitz | ah, ok, no rush :) | Nov 20 15:53 |
| schestowitz | I thought about mailing RMS about it, but haven't (yet) | Nov 20 15:53 |
| jgay | schestowitz, emailing me and/or licensing@fsf.org will save us all a step anyhow, so pinging me was the right thing to do | Nov 20 15:53 |
| jgay | because most likely RMS's next step would be to forward your email to me and then ask me to look into it :_) | Nov 20 15:54 |
| jgay | :-) | Nov 20 15:54 |
| schestowitz | ok, thanks | Nov 20 15:59 |
| MinceR | and even if it was legally GPL-compatible, it's still against the spirit of the GPL just like the novell deal was | Nov 20 16:00 |
| MinceR | (iirc they say it only applies to their customers) | Nov 20 16:00 |
| schestowitz | Novell's was different | Nov 20 16:01 |
| schestowitz | but we need to actually understand what Red Hat agreed with MS on | Nov 20 16:01 |
| schestowitz | as Microsoft can use this behind closed doors against other companies, for pressure/leverage... | Nov 20 16:02 |
| jgay | schestowitz, I have not looked into this matter yet personally. I'm going to discuss it internally and then I'll let you know if we have an opinion we are ready to share publicly yet about it | Nov 20 16:12 |
| jgay | schestowitz, also, just a heads-up, I think I'll be publishing a couple press releases, probably on Monday and Tuesday of next week ... just in case you need to gas up the old tux machine ahead of time :-) | Nov 20 16:13 |
| schestowitz | ah, good, well, both myself and my wife and subscribed to gnu planet and fsf RSS feeds, so will see it within ~1 hour | Nov 20 16:19 |
| schestowitz | with Red Hat, not an urgent matter, but we need to understand what actually happened. Just before Easter 2007 Novell did release redacted contractual details | Nov 20 16:19 |
| schestowitz | Making it possible to see what they agreed about packages like Wine for instance... | Nov 20 16:20 |
| schestowitz | MinceR: http://arstechnica.co.uk/tech-policy/2015/11/uk-cops-allegedly-snooped-on-journalists-to-hunt-down-police-whistleblower/ | Nov 20 16:20 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-arstechnica.co.uk | UK cops allegedly snooped on journalists to hunt down police whistleblower | Ars Technica UK | Nov 20 16:20 | |
| schestowitz | quite shocking, not surprising though | Nov 20 16:20 |
| schestowitz | the spooks here are truly out of order now | Nov 20 16:20 |
| schestowitz | and they're motivated by our crazy Pry Minister | Nov 20 16:20 |
| schestowitz | so probably not a good idea to immigrate to the UK anymore... | Nov 20 16:21 |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Today in Techrights https://t.co/NpEDFFKQdt | Nov 20 16:21 |
| TweetTuxMachines | retweeted by (www.tuxmachines.org) | Nov 20 16:21 |
| TweetTuxMachines | @schestowitz | Nov 20 16:21 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Today in Techrights | Tux Machines | Nov 20 16:21 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Today in Techrights https://t.co/JxxLXZYNOK | Nov 20 16:21 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Today in Techrights | Tux Machines | Nov 20 16:22 | |
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| schestowitz | https://joindiaspora.com/posts/6835256 | Nov 20 16:51 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: In an Effort to Counter #EPO Staff Narrative (After ~2,000 of Staff Protest) EPO Management Portrays Staff as Violent http://techrights.org/2015/11/20/misportrayed-epo-staff/ | Nov 20 16:51 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights--> techrights.org | In an Effort to Counter EPO Staff Narrative (After ~2,000 of Staff Protest) EPO Management Portrays Staff as Violent But Provides No Evidence | Techrights | Nov 20 16:51 | |
| schestowitz | https://joindiaspora.com/posts/6835530 | Nov 20 16:51 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: Ed @snowden reminds us that scripts are unsafe, the ad industry is bringing this on themselves by not serving PNG/GIF https://theintercept.com/2015/11/12/edward-snowden-explains-how-to-reclaim-your-privacy/ | Nov 20 16:51 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights--> theintercept.com | Edward Snowden Explains How To Reclaim Your Privacy | Nov 20 16:51 | |
| schestowitz | https://joindiaspora.com/posts/6835739 | Nov 20 16:51 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: CIA Chief: Terrorists Harder to Find, Because of Leaks, Reforms https://soylentnews.org/article.pl?sid=15/11/18/1314225 what utter nonsense... #cia action helps them recruit | Nov 20 16:51 | |
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| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Today in Techrights https://t.co/JxxLXZYNOK | Nov 20 17:28 |
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| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines The Next Cheap Android Phone Comes | Nov 20 17:28 |
| TweetTuxMachines | From...Pepsi? https://t.co/HAKYpeyurY | Nov 20 17:28 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-gizmodo.com | The Next Cheap Android Phone Comes From...Pepsi? | Nov 20 17:28 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Review: 5 memory debuggers for Linux coding | Nov 20 17:28 |
| TweetTuxMachines | https://t.co/no1PY1dp6p (www.computerworld.com) | Nov 20 17:28 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.computerworld.com | Review: 5 memory debuggers for Linux coding | Computerworld | Nov 20 17:28 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Linux monitoring tools to keep your hardware | Nov 20 17:28 |
| TweetTuxMachines | cool https://t.co/IjQ0a9oEmM (opensource.com) | Nov 20 17:28 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-opensource.com | Linux temperature monitoring tools | Opensource.com | Nov 20 17:28 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Unity 8 for Ubuntu Desktop Explained - What You | Nov 20 17:28 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-news.softpedia.com | Unity 8 for Ubuntu Desktop Explained - What You Need to Know | Nov 20 17:28 | |
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| schestowitz | I'm getting tired of systemd, my computer is unusable | Nov 20 17:37 |
| schestowitz | I think kde spent too much effort on this crap | Nov 20 17:37 |
| schestowitz | and they went more than a decade back | Nov 20 17:37 |
| schestowitz | in terms of performance, it feels worse than kde on my machines 10 years ago | Nov 20 17:37 |
| schestowitz | and systemd is not fast at all | Nov 20 17:37 |
| schestowitz | it take longer than before to boot | Nov 20 17:37 |
| schestowitz | and it loads things in improper order | Nov 20 17:37 |
| schestowitz | and sometimes won't shut down | Nov 20 17:38 |
| schestowitz | it's a clusterf*ck | Nov 20 17:38 |
| schestowitz | the whole of gnu/linux desktop thing seems to have been derailed or taken back 15 years by this rubbush | Nov 20 17:38 |
| schestowitz | now I need to find some old distro, maybe LTS, which predates this mess | Nov 20 17:39 |
| schestowitz | Rianne uses 12.04 LTS | Nov 20 17:39 |
| schestowitz | maybe I can move to it, but supported for only 1.5 years more... | Nov 20 17:39 |
| MinceR | oiaohm will explain how there's no problem with your computer :> | Nov 20 17:42 |
| MinceR | other things have harmed the gnu/linux desktop as well | Nov 20 17:42 |
| MinceR | gnome2, gnome3, kde4, pulseaudio, networkmanager, dbus, ... | Nov 20 17:43 |
| schestowitz | are things this bad in other DEs? | Nov 20 18:24 |
| schestowitz | Have you used some other DE with systemd? | Nov 20 18:24 |
| schestowitz | (yet?) | Nov 20 18:24 |
| schestowitz | I haven't (yet) | Nov 20 18:24 |
| schestowitz | want to see how fast it really boots | Nov 20 18:25 |
| schestowitz | as that was the main promise of the so-called (just an) 'init' system... | Nov 20 18:25 |
| schestowitz | with systemd I need to reboot a lot more | Nov 20 18:25 |
| schestowitz | but maybe it's also the fault of kde in kf5 | Nov 20 18:25 |
| schestowitz | applications start before even plasma is loaded | Nov 20 18:26 |
| schestowitz | so they show up in a black screen | Nov 20 18:26 |
| schestowitz | it's horrid | Nov 20 18:26 |
| schestowitz | and not manageable | Nov 20 18:26 |
| schestowitz | I also need to kill everything akonadi each time I start kde | Nov 20 18:26 |
| schestowitz | in kubuntu 15.04, when booting, it would just say "starting systemd VERSION" | Nov 20 18:26 |
| schestowitz | now they at least replaced that with a splash screen, in 15.10 | Nov 20 18:27 |
| schestowitz | but many of the issues persist | Nov 20 18:27 |
| schestowitz | including major bugs | Nov 20 18:27 |
| schestowitz | and performance issues are virtually unaddressed | Nov 20 18:27 |
| schestowitz | on the bright side, the system has not been thoroughly hosed/bricked, at least not yet | Nov 20 18:28 |
| schestowitz | so no D-R scenarioa | Nov 20 18:28 |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/Wikinaut/status/667767627595517954 | Nov 20 18:30 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@Wikinaut: @schestowitz https://t.co/wRQe5aYKUo | Nov 20 18:30 | |
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| MinceR | xfce and lxde are a lot better | Nov 20 18:41 |
| MinceR | i haven't seen much of lxqt yet | Nov 20 18:41 |
| MinceR | i've used xfce with systemd (on fedora 15) | Nov 20 18:41 |
| MinceR | there was some weird behavior | Nov 20 18:41 |
| schestowitz | but Ok overall? | Nov 20 18:42 |
| MinceR | well, it was YUM's unreliability that eventually put me off | Nov 20 18:42 |
| MinceR | i don't know how much of my troubles were due to systemd or which of them were | Nov 20 18:43 |
| MinceR | still, that was the only time i remember xscreensaver crashing | Nov 20 18:43 |
| MinceR | and i got a gnome-like screen locker on a gnome wallpaper (neither of which i asked for) cover for it when it did | Nov 20 18:43 |
| schestowitz | http://ipkitten.blogspot.co.uk/2015/11/read-it-for-yourself-enlarged-board.html | Nov 20 18:48 |
| schestowitz | https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0K0oYcGD9V0&feature=youtu.be&t=80 | Nov 20 18:48 |
| schestowitz | LOL | Nov 20 18:48 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-ipkitten.blogspot.co.uk | The IPKat: Read it for yourself: Enlarged Board decision Art 23 1/15 | Nov 20 18:48 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.youtube.com | Trading Places 1983 Ending - YouTube | Nov 20 18:48 | |
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| schestowitz | seems like quote a few people from munich stalk me | Nov 20 18:52 |
| Guest11000 | how can I send an email to Roy? | Nov 20 18:52 |
| schestowitz | "Munich" named by academia.edu | Nov 20 18:52 |
| schestowitz | many times recrntly | Nov 20 18:52 |
| schestowitz | Guest11000: roy@schestowitz dot com | Nov 20 18:53 |
| schestowitz | if it's sensitive, consider encrypting or using anonymity | Nov 20 18:53 |
| schestowitz | PGP key in http://schestowitz.com/PGP | Nov 20 18:53 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-schestowitz.com | Roy Schestowitz - PGP Key | Nov 20 18:53 | |
| schestowitz | http://techrights.org/2015/10/25/techrights-doc-drop/ | Nov 20 18:53 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | How to Securely Provide Techrights With Information, Documents | Techrights | Nov 20 18:53 | |
| schestowitz | if not sensitive, plain text might be OK | Nov 20 18:54 |
| Guest11000 | ok | Nov 20 18:54 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-nts.strzibny.name | First update for Fedora Developer Portal – Notes to self | Nov 20 19:11 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Being Thankful for Open Source (But Why Do | Nov 20 19:11 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Companies Do It?) https://t.co/DGZhq0mJlO | Nov 20 19:11 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Being Thankful for Open Source (But Why Do Companies Do It?) | Tux Machines | Nov 20 19:11 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Jolla ’s financing round delayed - files for | Nov 20 19:12 |
| TweetTuxMachines | debt restructuring https://t.co/TMGQ0Qy8wv | Nov 20 19:12 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Jolla ’s financing round delayed - files for debt restructuring | Tux Machines | Nov 20 19:12 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Lenovo's Software Defined Infrastructure | Nov 20 19:12 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Strategy Comes Together With Red Hat and | Nov 20 19:12 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Nutanix https://t.co/mx45CcWOZ1 | Nov 20 19:12 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Lenovo's Software Defined Infrastructure Strategy Comes Together With Red Hat and Nutanix | Tux Machines | Nov 20 19:12 | |
| schestowitz | https://joindiaspora.com/posts/6834675 | Nov 20 19:51 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: Open-source router is instant #crowdfunding success https://en-maktoob.news.yahoo.com/turris-omnia-open-source-router-162917572.html http://www.tomshardware.com/news/turris-omnia-indiegogo-open-source-router-openwrt,30594.html #linux | Nov 20 19:51 | |
| schestowitz | "Yahoo news, eh? I’ll believe this router is OK when it’s Respects Your Freedom Certified. ;-}" | Nov 20 19:51 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights--> en-maktoob.news.yahoo.com | Open-source router is instant crowdfunding success - Yahoo Maktoob News [ http://ur1.ca/oaqah ] | Nov 20 19:51 | |
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| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Review: Ubuntu GNOME 15.10 is what vanilla | Nov 20 22:48 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Ubuntu should be https://t.co/c6Xll7Y2ex | Nov 20 22:48 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Review: Ubuntu GNOME 15.10 is what vanilla Ubuntu should be | Tux Machines | Nov 20 22:48 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Move over, Linux -- JavaScript-powered NodeOS | Nov 20 22:48 |
| TweetTuxMachines | 1.0 approaches https://t.co/twHCYgYg9E | Nov 20 22:48 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Move over, Linux -- JavaScript-powered NodeOS 1.0 approaches | Tux Machines | Nov 20 22:48 | |
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| oiaohm | MinceR: I remember the mode systemd is using https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Release_early,_release_often | Nov 21 03:59 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-en.wikipedia.org | Release early, release often - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia | Nov 21 03:59 | |
| MinceR | oiaohm: i can't find the part where it says "and force it on everyone you can before it's anywhere near maturity" | Nov 21 04:00 |
| MinceR | i also can't find the part where it says "code before you think, and then don't bother thinking" | Nov 21 04:00 |
| oiaohm | MinceR: RERO mode does not include wait until the code is mature before using. | Nov 21 04:02 |
| oiaohm | mode/model | Nov 21 04:02 |
| MinceR | oiaohm: can you name another product developed in the RERO model that was nearly as aggressively forced on users as cancerd? | Nov 21 04:03 |
| oiaohm | MinceR: to be correct I can its early gcc with its incompadiblies | Nov 21 04:03 |
| MinceR | oh, so you can't have two or more compilers installed or running at the same time on a system? | Nov 21 04:05 |
| MinceR | oh wait, you can! | Nov 21 04:05 |
| MinceR | so let's try this again... | Nov 21 04:05 |
| MinceR | oiaohm: can you name another product developed in the RERO model that was nearly as aggressively forced on users as cancerd? | Nov 21 04:05 |
| oiaohm | Early in gcc history it overwrite items other compliers used. | Nov 21 04:05 |
| MinceR | when was this, exactly? | Nov 21 04:06 |
| oiaohm | cc for example. | Nov 21 04:06 |
| oiaohm | Early gcc does not have the before it name. | Nov 21 04:06 |
| oiaohm | Basically as gcc, glibc, binutils matured they got better behaving. | Nov 21 04:07 |
| MinceR | and you can't run install it in a different place and refer to it explicitly or change your PATH? | Nov 21 04:07 |
| oiaohm | Early gcc the autotools path change was broken. | Nov 21 04:07 |
| MinceR | which OSes were subverted from outside to force that particular early gcc on all of their users? | Nov 21 04:07 |
| oiaohm | Back in the time gcc was nastyly broken people said that solaris and other unixs were not usable until you installed gnu/gcc parts. | Nov 21 04:08 |
| oiaohm | So yes OSes were subverted | Nov 21 04:09 |
| oiaohm | What is happened with systemd is not exactly the first time this has happened. | Nov 21 04:09 |
| oiaohm | The question is will systemd mature. | Nov 21 04:09 |
| MinceR | which of those shipped gcc by default? | Nov 21 04:09 |
| MinceR | also, was gcc broken or was slowlaris broken? | Nov 21 04:09 |
| oiaohm | To be correct both gcc and slowaris was broken. | Nov 21 04:14 |
| oiaohm | gcc was breaking the default compliers on Unixs when it installed. | Nov 21 04:14 |
| oiaohm | So that was gcc being broken. | Nov 21 04:14 |
| oiaohm | Also the issue is all the default Unix compliers had different levels of standard conformance | Nov 21 04:14 |
| oiaohm | So from 2001 you find a Linux source compadiblity on all Unix systems that include gcc complier. | Nov 21 04:15 |
| oiaohm | All the differnet Unix complier linkers had different ways for formating libraries as well Mincer. Today you find them formating like gnu binutils. | Nov 21 04:16 |
| oiaohm | So if systemd follows the gcc model we will end up with competitors taking on some if not all features from the application side of systemd. | Nov 21 04:17 |
| MinceR | yeah, so everyone copies all the braindeadness of systemd | Nov 21 04:18 |
| MinceR | systemd wins, unix dies | Nov 21 04:18 |
| MinceR | once everybody believes they want all of these much-hyped misfeatures | Nov 21 04:19 |
| oiaohm | Remember all the c compliers on Unix now have gcc emulation modes that copy gcc miss features. | Nov 21 04:19 |
| MinceR | and all of them in pid1, or even in the kernel, if possible | Nov 21 04:19 |
| MinceR | remember that all the c compilers on unix now can be installed side by side | Nov 21 04:20 |
| oiaohm | Only years latter MinceR | Nov 21 04:20 |
| oiaohm | So we are too soon to know if systemd will properly mature or not. | Nov 21 04:20 |
| MinceR | we are, if we have no knowledge of software engineering | Nov 21 04:20 |
| MinceR | but luckily, i happen to have some | Nov 21 04:20 |
| oiaohm | RERO has been some of systemd biggerst problem. | Nov 21 04:21 |
| oiaohm | http://0pointer.net/blog/introducing-sd-event.html this making sd-event is that systemd has had to wake up kdbus is not coming any time soon. | Nov 21 04:22 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-0pointer.net | Introducing sd-event | Nov 21 04:22 | |
| MinceR | no, RERO doesn't even touch on systemd's biggest problems | Nov 21 04:22 |
| oiaohm | So work around to get program out door under REPO has to be fixed up. | Nov 21 04:22 |
| oiaohm | REPO is horible in that it allowed doing code hacks until parts are implemented. | Nov 21 04:22 |
| MinceR | it would have helped to not force kdbus in the first place | Nov 21 04:22 |
| oiaohm | So you can get program out the door to test it. | Nov 21 04:23 |
| MinceR | when everybody with a bit of sense said it was a stupid idea | Nov 21 04:23 |
| oiaohm | Not exactly kdbus idea does make some techicincal sense. But its not going to be simple to implement. | Nov 21 04:23 |
| MinceR | but yeah, let's wait and see if adding together all the antitheses of good design will magically result in something worthwhile | Nov 21 04:23 |
| MinceR | no, it does not | Nov 21 04:24 |
| oiaohm | REPO does not have focus on design. | Nov 21 04:24 |
| MinceR | the overhead they were whining about did not come from context switches | Nov 21 04:24 |
| MinceR | demonstrably | Nov 21 04:24 |
| MinceR | RERO does not say "do not design before coding" | Nov 21 04:24 |
| oiaohm | REPO does not say design before coding either. | Nov 21 04:24 |
| MinceR | so quit blaming RERO for it | Nov 21 04:25 |
| oiaohm | REPO model allows hacked up next to proper design. | Nov 21 04:25 |
| MinceR | yet more cargo-culting | Nov 21 04:25 |
| oiaohm | systemd is a good example of why you don't want to use REPO as your development model alone. | Nov 21 04:25 |
| MinceR | no, it is not | Nov 21 04:25 |
| oiaohm | O yes it is. | Nov 21 04:25 |
| oiaohm | It has done everything wrong that REPO allows. | Nov 21 04:26 |
| MinceR | it's a good example of why you need software engineering skills to do software engineering. | Nov 21 04:26 |
| MinceR | (which apparently redcrap failed to get in any form) | Nov 21 04:26 |
| oiaohm | MinceR: really how many software engineering people normally use the REPO mode alone | Nov 21 04:26 |
| oiaohm | mode/model | Nov 21 04:26 |
| oiaohm | Normally none. | Nov 21 04:26 |
| MinceR | it's not much of a development methodology | Nov 21 04:27 |
| oiaohm | REPO with a solid QA model is ok. | Nov 21 04:28 |
| MinceR | it still doesn't say much about the process | Nov 21 04:28 |
| oiaohm | Try to find systemd QA model. | Nov 21 04:28 |
| MinceR | their QA model is the "lalalalalala i can't hear you" model | Nov 21 04:29 |
| MinceR | also known as "CLOSED WONTFIX" | Nov 21 04:29 |
| MinceR | oh, their QA model also includes the "none of us tests for this" principle | Nov 21 04:29 |
| MinceR | but you don't need testing if you're going to ignore all the feedback you get anyway | Nov 21 04:30 |
| oiaohm | MinceR: you are kinda wrong. | Nov 21 04:30 |
| oiaohm | If you had watched the systemd conf videos you would know they are only just talking about creating a QA model for systemd. | Nov 21 04:31 |
| MinceR | actually, i'm demonstrably right. | Nov 21 04:31 |
| MinceR | https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=74589 | Nov 21 04:31 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-bugs.freedesktop.org | Bug 74589 – systemd segfaults if no cgroups are available | Nov 21 04:31 | |
| oiaohm | So currently systemd has no officially QA model. | Nov 21 04:31 |
| oiaohm | So developers can do what ever they feel like. | Nov 21 04:32 |
| MinceR | yes, and i also described what "whatever they feel like" is | Nov 21 04:32 |
| oiaohm | Other design models that are not REPO you can get away with QA model being poor. | Nov 21 04:33 |
| oiaohm | The wine project design model is REPO but it has a very complex QA model. | Nov 21 04:34 |
| MinceR | i doubt you can ever get away with the QA model being poor | Nov 21 04:34 |
| MinceR | RERO might actually help you get input | Nov 21 04:34 |
| oiaohm | There is a old saying garbage in garbage out. | Nov 21 04:34 |
| MinceR | there's no release model that fixes poettering living in his own little dream world believing every single idea of his is perfect | Nov 21 04:35 |
| oiaohm | REPO might get input but if you are not producing quality code the output still will be garbage. | Nov 21 04:35 |
| MinceR | except the one that says "never release, ever" | Nov 21 04:35 |
| MinceR | that would have helped systemd | Nov 21 04:35 |
| MinceR | in the sense that there would be no systemd | Nov 21 04:35 |
| oiaohm | To be correct poettering has not believed every idea he has had is correct. | Nov 21 04:36 |
| MinceR | citation needed | Nov 21 04:36 |
| oiaohm | Recent systemd conference video he admitted over kdbus. | Nov 21 04:36 |
| MinceR | ooh | Nov 21 04:36 |
| MinceR | and how long did that take? | Nov 21 04:36 |
| MinceR | i wonder what sort of cluebat they had to resort to make him realize that _after_ trying to force Linus to merge that piece of shit | Nov 21 04:36 |
| MinceR | 053524 < oiaohm> REPO might get input but if you are not producing quality code the output still will be garbage. | Nov 21 04:37 |
| MinceR | and without thinking ever, your output will be garbage | Nov 21 04:37 |
| MinceR | regardless of release model | Nov 21 04:37 |
| oiaohm | Take wine project mode where everything faces off against test cases and static checking. How bad the garbage can be is limited. | Nov 21 04:38 |
| oiaohm | The clue bad was fedora kernel maintainer removing kdbus. | Nov 21 04:38 |
| MinceR | also how much of the garbage people will notice when the entire purpose of the software is to provide a compatibility layer that emulates garbage | Nov 21 04:39 |
| oiaohm | So it was not even acceptable to tthe maintainer of the fedora kernel. | Nov 21 04:39 |
| MinceR | and yet it was somehow acceptable to gregkh | Nov 21 04:39 |
| oiaohm | To be correct gregkh picked it up and started clean it up. | Nov 21 04:39 |
| oiaohm | And gregkh keep on putting back the merge attempts. | Nov 21 04:40 |
| oiaohm | So it was not getting past gregkh. | Nov 21 04:40 |
| oiaohm | Linus also did the correct thing of asking for proper benchmarks of performance gains before merging could be considered. | Nov 21 04:41 |
| MinceR | he shouldn't have needed to ask for that | Nov 21 04:41 |
| oiaohm | So between Linux and gregkh kdbus end up in the doomed area. | Nov 21 04:41 |
| MinceR | it should be clear that kdbus is entirely ill-conceived | Nov 21 04:41 |
| oiaohm | Remember raw repo model without a QA model no test cases being made. | Nov 21 04:41 |
| MinceR | it only looks like a good idea to people like winblows nt and macos developers | Nov 21 04:42 |
| oiaohm | kdbus is not completley ill-conceived. | Nov 21 04:42 |
| MinceR | the "throw it into the kernel" guys and the "hey, i have an idea, let's weld to kernels together for no reason" guys | Nov 21 04:42 |
| MinceR | s/to k/two k/ | Nov 21 04:42 |
| oiaohm | Messaging that depends on files or networking does have it issues. | Nov 21 04:42 |
| MinceR | so whenever something has issues, we just move it into the kernel? | Nov 21 04:42 |
| MinceR | ingenious! | Nov 21 04:42 |
| MinceR | let's get rid of userspace entirely, that way we can enjoy bugfree software! | Nov 21 04:43 |
| oiaohm | Big thing about moving into dbus into kernel was to reduce some of those issues. | Nov 21 04:43 |
| MinceR | what could possibly go wrong? | Nov 21 04:43 |
| oiaohm | but from microkernel it is right. | Nov 21 04:43 |
| MinceR | i bet you could reduce more of those issues by moving dbus into the landfill instead. | Nov 21 04:43 |
| oiaohm | But the design has to be right. | Nov 21 04:43 |
| MinceR | along with the people who came up with it. | Nov 21 04:43 |
| oiaohm | You are correct lot of dbus need to be redesigned. | Nov 21 04:44 |
| MinceR | show me one functioning, mature, multiserver microkernel system. | Nov 21 04:44 |
| oiaohm | Like dbus has not time stamped messages. | Nov 21 04:44 |
| MinceR | dbus doesn't even handle being restarted properly | Nov 21 04:44 |
| oiaohm | qnx other than blackberry ruining it. | Nov 21 04:44 |
| MinceR | qnx always sucked, afaict | Nov 21 04:44 |
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| MinceR | their demo disk couldn't even handle a standard mouse. | Nov 21 04:45 |
| MinceR | also, afaik nobody uses qnx except blackberry | Nov 21 04:45 |
| oiaohm | I have used qnx for embedded. | Nov 21 04:45 |
| oiaohm | when it was provided as a independant product. | Nov 21 04:45 |
| oiaohm | dbus no timestamps on messages, being oversized, and not able to restart safely. | Nov 21 04:47 |
| MinceR | at any rate, microkernel is exactly the opposite of the "throw it into the kernel" "thinking" kdbus exemplifies. | Nov 21 04:47 |
| oiaohm | Most good microkernel have some for of API for setting up clean messaging servers so messaging servers can restart safely. | Nov 21 04:47 |
| MinceR | and dbus has neither of those | Nov 21 04:47 |
| oiaohm | Not the clean api has to be kernel so processes can stop store messages while the messaging server restarts. | Nov 21 04:48 |
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| MinceR | yet they didn't want to do that | Nov 21 04:48 |
| MinceR | they wanted to do the whole thing in the kernel | Nov 21 04:48 |
| oiaohm | So there is a need for a kdbus of some form. | Nov 21 04:48 |
| MinceR | no, that's not "a kdbus" | Nov 21 04:48 |
| oiaohm | Just not the form systemd developers pushed. | Nov 21 04:49 |
| oiaohm | The current redesigns of kdbus are about slimiing it down a lot. Emulating old dbus functionality of course pushed to userspace. | Nov 21 04:50 |
| MinceR | and they'll still call it kdbus because they can't accept being proven wrong | Nov 21 04:51 |
| oiaohm | Not exactly. | Nov 21 04:52 |
| oiaohm | keeping the same name keeps the log of rejected ideas. | Nov 21 04:52 |
| oiaohm | So when someone suggest one of the rejected ideas you point them to the earier history. | Nov 21 04:53 |
| oiaohm | when they have working edition then rename it. Its just the wrong time to rename it now. | Nov 21 04:53 |
| MinceR | then again, i can't be sure if it will be "slimmed down" to only providing what's absolutely necessary to be provided by the kernel | Nov 21 04:53 |
| MinceR | these people have a history of incompetence, pointless stubbornness and toxicity, after all | Nov 21 04:54 |
| oiaohm | Like I am not saying we can take our eyes off them. But at least now they are heading in the right kind of directions. | Nov 21 04:55 |
| oiaohm | http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=KDBUS-Back-To-Design | Nov 21 04:56 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.phoronix.com | KDBUS Is Indeed Going Back To The Drawing Board - Phoronix | Nov 21 04:56 | |
| oiaohm | I particularly like that the new kdbus is attempting to be design so any messaging solution could choose to use it. | Nov 21 04:56 |
| cubexyz | I got over 2,000 commands in /usr/bin on FC1 | Nov 21 04:59 |
| cubexyz | I'm sure there's lots of them I've never used | Nov 21 04:59 |
| cubexyz | and that's old :) | Nov 21 04:59 |
| cubexyz | do a /usr/bin | wc and see what the number is | Nov 21 05:00 |
| cubexyz | the idea of a slimmed down distro is appealing | Nov 21 05:00 |
| cubexyz | er, ls /usr/bin | wc | Nov 21 05:01 |
| cubexyz | wc | Nov 21 05:01 |
| oiaohm | Ok your system slimer than mine. Mine is over 5000 | Nov 21 05:02 |
| oiaohm | I am 100 percent sure I have not used all of them. | Nov 21 05:02 |
| cubexyz | anyways as a comparison Unix v7 had 155 commands | Nov 21 05:02 |
| oiaohm | I know windows out box is less than 1000 | Nov 21 05:04 |
| cubexyz | I'm sure the base install would be less than 5,000 | Nov 21 05:04 |
| cubexyz | you've probably installed a lot of packages | Nov 21 05:04 |
| cubexyz | it's not a very good organizational method... 5K of commands in one directory | Nov 21 05:07 |
| oiaohm | I have a huge number different things installed. | Nov 21 05:09 |
| oiaohm | latex support takes over 100 alone. | Nov 21 05:09 |
| cubexyz | /usr/latex/bin ? :) | Nov 21 05:09 |
| oiaohm | that 100 in the /usr/bin directory. | Nov 21 05:10 |
| oiaohm | 100+ in the /usr/bin directory. | Nov 21 05:10 |
| cubexyz | there's /usr/games/bin so why not? | Nov 21 05:10 |
| cubexyz | and at least the distro maintainers could have had /opt/kde/bin | Nov 21 05:11 |
| cubexyz | /opt/trinity/bin was used | Nov 21 05:12 |
| cubexyz | oiaohm, probably part of that is windows users don't usually use the command line too much | Nov 21 05:13 |
| cubexyz | hence less commands, more GUI applications | Nov 21 05:13 |
| cubexyz | I just think Linux has outgrow the policy of dumping everything in /usr/bin | Nov 21 05:14 |
| MinceR | our filesystems can handle it | Nov 21 05:14 |
| MinceR | also, GoboLinux lets you dump symlinks there instead :> | Nov 21 05:14 |
| MinceR | i wonder what AppFS does, though | Nov 21 05:15 |
| cubexyz | yes, I have some symlinks in /usr/bin | Nov 21 05:15 |
| cubexyz | assaultcube got installed to /usr/bin which is definitely silly | Nov 21 05:17 |
| cubexyz | I mean command reuse really got thrown out the window didn't it? | Nov 21 05:18 |
| MinceR | not all systems have /usr/games/bin | Nov 21 05:19 |
| cubexyz | there used to be a thing in KDE called konstruct | Nov 21 05:29 |
| cubexyz | it would install to /home/user/kde-version | Nov 21 05:29 |
| cubexyz | anyway it's malleable | Nov 21 05:30 |
| cubexyz | kind of like /usr/local/bin | Nov 21 05:30 |
| cubexyz | there was a lot of stuff just in there | Nov 21 05:35 |
| cubexyz | /home/user/kde3.4.2/bin in this case | Nov 21 05:35 |
| cubexyz | 588 commands! | Nov 21 05:35 |
| cubexyz | today's BSOD: | Nov 21 05:49 |
| cubexyz | http://www.maxhost.org/other/giant-outdoor-bsod.jpg | Nov 21 05:50 |
| cubexyz | just in case you thought BSODs were old news, that one was on a Surface Pro 2 | Nov 21 05:51 |
| cubexyz | http://www.maxhost.org/other/jumbotron-banker-bsod.jpg | Nov 21 05:54 |
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| cubexyz | http://www.maxhost.org/other/vista-funny.txt | Nov 21 08:13 |
| cubexyz | it's not even a linux person dissing windows, it's a windows person dissing windows | Nov 21 08:13 |
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| TweetTuxMachines | @UFNations Peace keeping news https://t.co/s3cjOo1hq3 | Nov 21 08:33 |
| TweetTuxMachines | (paper.li) Stories via @DPT_Yasser @tuxmachines | Nov 21 08:33 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-paper.li | The UFN Peace Keeping News | Nov 21 08:33 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines 3D Printing Under Arch Linux | Nov 21 08:33 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.unixmen.com | 3D Printing Under Arch Linux | Unixmen | Nov 21 08:33 | |
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| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Hardcore Android users’ favorite app vanishes | Nov 21 08:41 |
| TweetTuxMachines | from Google Play store https://t.co/iCsmVQJ338 | Nov 21 08:41 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-bgr.com | Android Tasker Google Play removal | BGR | Nov 21 08:41 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines The best Android gaming tablet just got a big | Nov 21 08:42 |
| TweetTuxMachines | price drop https://t.co/CfVYeevypy | Nov 21 08:42 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.techinsider.io | Nvidia SHIELD K1 Android tablet price drop - Tech Insider | Nov 21 08:42 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Debian/TeX Live 2015.20151116-1 | Nov 21 08:42 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.preining.info | Debian/TeX Live 2015.20151116-1 | There and back again | Nov 21 08:42 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Moto G (2014) Android 6.0 Marshmallow Update | Nov 21 08:42 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Begins https://t.co/Vroe3is4Jp | Nov 21 08:42 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.gottabemobile.com | Moto G (2014) Android 6.0 Marshmallow Update Begins | Nov 21 08:42 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Raspberry Pi: Simple forms of input | Nov 21 08:46 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.linuxvoice.com | Raspberry Pi: Simple forms of input | Linux Voice | Nov 21 08:46 | |
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| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines LG Urbane 2, The First Android Wear Smartwatch | Nov 21 08:51 |
| TweetTuxMachines | With Cellular, Pulled From Stores | Nov 21 08:51 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techcrunch.com | LG Urbane 2, The First Android Wear Smartwatch With Cellular, Pulled From Stores | TechCrunch | Nov 21 08:51 | |
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| *TweetTuxMachines @dukgiev favourited 'LG Urbane 2, The First Android Wear Smartwatch...' | Nov 21 09:02 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Google streams apps to Android handsets | Nov 21 09:03 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.bbc.com | Google streams apps to Android handsets - BBC News | Nov 21 09:03 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Top 5 Android Games From India You Must Play | Nov 21 09:03 |
| TweetTuxMachines | https://t.co/quqLHwHjtU (gadgets.ndtv.com) | Nov 21 09:03 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-gadgets.ndtv.com | Top 5 Android Games From India You Must Play | NDTV Gadgets360.com | Nov 21 09:03 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Rebuilding Android proprietary SDK binaries | Nov 21 09:03 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-blog.beuc.net | Rebuilding Android proprietary SDK binaries | Nov 21 09:03 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Use Automate to Supercharge Android's Abilities | Nov 21 09:21 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-fieldguide.gizmodo.com | Use Automate to Supercharge Android's Abilities | Nov 21 09:21 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Oppo Releases Project Spectrum Beta With Near | Nov 21 09:21 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Stock Android To Appeal To Western Markets | Nov 21 09:21 |
| TweetTuxMachines | [Video] https://t.co/hQHgNyL6ZA | Nov 21 09:21 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.techtimes.com | Oppo Releases Project Spectrum Beta With Near Stock Android To Appeal To Western Markets [Video] : PERSONAL TECH : Tech Times | Nov 21 09:21 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Red Hat’s Paul Smith: Govt Eyes Open Source | Nov 21 09:21 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Software for Innovation https://t.co/vdrjyBwpjn | Nov 21 09:21 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.govconwire.com | Red Hat’s Paul Smith: Govt Eyes Open Source Software for Innovation | Nov 21 09:21 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Android Marshmallow: release date, name and | Nov 21 09:29 |
| TweetTuxMachines | features https://t.co/RgSa2G75ks | Nov 21 09:29 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.itpro.co.uk | Android Marshmallow: release date, name and features | IT PRO | Nov 21 09:29 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Android TV: Internet of Things Integration In | Nov 21 09:29 |
| TweetTuxMachines | The Pipeline? https://t.co/f2ltau0k1j | Nov 21 09:29 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.androidheadlines.com | Android TV: Internet of Things Integration In The Pipeline? | Androidheadlines.com | Nov 21 09:29 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines How Analysts Rated Red Hat Inc (NYSE:RHT) Last | Nov 21 09:29 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Week? https://t.co/NxBIhCO0rO | Nov 21 09:29 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.financialmagazin.com | How Analysts Rated Red Hat Inc (NYSE:RHT) Last Week? - FinancialMagazin.com - Financial News Portal | Nov 21 09:29 | |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.dakotafinancialnews.com | Recent Investment Analysts’ Ratings Updates for Red Hat (RHT) | Nov 21 09:29 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines 21 Android-only apps that will make your iPhone | Nov 21 09:50 |
| TweetTuxMachines | friends jealous https://t.co/rP5RQ3VzuO | Nov 21 09:50 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-uk.businessinsider.com | The best Android apps you can't get on iPhone in 2015 - Business Insider | Nov 21 09:50 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines 7 Best Android Tablets Under $200 | Nov 21 09:51 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | 7 Best Android Tablets Under $200 | Tux Machines | Nov 21 09:51 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Cinnamon 2.8.5 Is Out for Linux Mint 17.3 | Nov 21 09:51 |
| TweetTuxMachines | "Rosa", Improves Several Applets | Nov 21 09:51 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Cinnamon 2.8.5 Is Out for Linux Mint 17.3 "Rosa", Improves Several Applets | Tux Machines | Nov 21 09:51 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Nvidia 358.16 Linux Video Driver Is a | Nov 21 09:52 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Short-Lived One, but Supports | Nov 21 09:52 |
| TweetTuxMachines | https://t.co/5vV90nMVBx (www.x.org) Server 1.18 | Nov 21 09:52 |
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| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines More Android Leftovers https://t.co/cbW8OeKJcx | Nov 21 09:52 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Nvidia 358.16 Linux Video Driver Is a Short-Lived One, but Supports X.Org Server 1.18 | Tux Machines | Nov 21 09:52 | |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | More Android Leftovers | Tux Machines | Nov 21 09:52 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Red Hat and Fedora https://t.co/XswMKnvPeI | Nov 21 09:52 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Red Hat and Fedora | Tux Machines | Nov 21 09:52 | |
| *TweetTuxMachines @softpedialinux favourited 'Nvidia 358.16 Linux Video Driver Is a Short-Lived...' | Nov 21 09:52 | |
| schestowitz | https://joindiaspora.com/posts/6837428 | Nov 21 10:10 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: #Syria secretly sentenced free software developer #BasselKhartabil to death http://boingboing.net/2015/11/20/assad-government-secretly-sent.html major loss to #freesw | Nov 21 10:11 | |
| schestowitz | " | Nov 21 10:11 |
| schestowitz | For all of his work, he was awarded by the Foreign Policy website the 19th position on its prestigious Global Thinkers ranking of 2012 | Nov 21 10:11 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights--> boingboing.net | Syria secretly sentenced free software developer Bassel Khartabil to death / Boing Boing | Nov 21 10:11 | |
| schestowitz | https://archive.is/iD43G#selection-1135.306-1147.91 (creativecommons.org) | Nov 21 10:11 |
| schestowitz | The FP Group’s standard for excellence has in turn made it the place where world leaders turn to express their own views and to engage one another. From Bill and Melinda Gates to Israeli President Shimon Peres, from Condoleezza Rice to Senators John Kerry and John McCain, from Turkish President Abdullah Gul to Chinese dissident Ai Weiwei, the FP contributor list reads much like the who’s who that is our audience. To choose just a few | Nov 21 10:11 |
| schestowitz | examples of their extraordinary engagement with FP, consider the following recent illustrations involving top U.S. government officials. | Nov 21 10:11 |
| schestowitz | https://archive.is/4t1LX#selection-677.0-689.31 (Foreign Policy Website) | Nov 21 10:11 |
| schestowitz | Well, everybody stateside really dropped him in the shit - or did it escape their notice that their government started a civil war in Syria? | Nov 21 10:11 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-archive.is | Read the story of Bassel Khartabil, Syrian prisoner who lives and risks dying for a free Internet - Creative Commons | Nov 21 10:11 | |
| schestowitz | Bassel Khartabil had been setup and sacrificed. | Nov 21 10:11 |
| schestowitz | MIT have also recently given him a job. | Nov 21 10:11 |
| schestowitz | I am proud to announce that we have offered Bassel Khartabil a position as a research scientist in the Center for Civic Media at the MIT Media Lab, where he will work directly with its director, principal research scientist Ethan Zuckerman. | Nov 21 10:11 |
| schestowitz | https://archive.is/yqC0X#selection-133.0-141.115 | Nov 21 10:11 |
| schestowitz | <sarcasm> Oh, that was a good idea MIT. That will really improve Khartabil’s status with the Syrian govt. and remove any doubt that he might have been working with/for the enemy. </sarcasm> | Nov 21 10:11 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-archive.is | Chosen by Leaders | Foreign Policy Group | Nov 21 10:11 | |
| schestowitz | Shrewth! These people say they “care”, but they don’t take care or act in a manner which shows the slightest concern what the impact of the actions will be. They don’t care about him - they care about a media image. | Nov 21 10:11 |
| schestowitz | " | Nov 21 10:11 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-archive.is | MIT Media Lab reaches out to jailed Syrian activist with research position in Center for Civic Media - Joi Ito's Web | Nov 21 10:11 | |
| schestowitz | I don't think it's fair to blame this on those who did genuinely try to help him | Nov 21 10:11 |
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| *TweetTuxMachines @softpedialinux favourited 'Cinnamon 2.8.5 Is Out for Linux Mint 17.3...' | Nov 21 10:37 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Road Redemption Combat Racer Fixed Up For Linux | Nov 21 10:37 |
| TweetTuxMachines | & SteamOS, Performs Well Now | Nov 21 10:37 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.gamingonlinux.com | Road Redemption Combat Racer Fixed Up For Linux & SteamOS, Performs Well Now | GamingOnLinux | Nov 21 10:37 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Vendetta - Curse Of Raven's Cry Released For | Nov 21 10:37 |
| TweetTuxMachines | SteamOS & Linux https://t.co/SgktWrIShA | Nov 21 10:37 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.gamingonlinux.com | Vendetta - Curse Of Raven's Cry Released For SteamOS & Linux | GamingOnLinux | Nov 21 10:37 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Wine Announcement https://t.co/BVLSmPLB8N | Nov 21 10:40 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.winehq.org | WineHQ - Wine Announcement - The Wine development release 1.8-rc1 is now available. | Nov 21 10:40 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines This week’s traffic in #tuxmachines has again | Nov 21 10:40 |
| TweetTuxMachines | smashed the record. We’re trying to be fastest | Nov 21 10:40 |
| TweetTuxMachines | and also most complete syndication for #linux | Nov 21 10:40 |
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| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Mini-PC doubles as open-spec, octa-core hacker | Nov 21 10:40 |
| TweetTuxMachines | SBC https://t.co/dsNPWyz7Ht (linuxgizmos.com) | Nov 21 10:40 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-linuxgizmos.com | Mini-PC doubles as open-spec, octa-core hacker SBC · LinuxGizmos.com | Nov 21 10:40 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines How to customize your Linux desktop: KDE | Nov 21 10:52 |
| TweetTuxMachines | https://t.co/3d4J3HMXOH (www.zdnet.com) | Nov 21 10:52 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.zdnet.com | How to customize your Linux desktop: KDE | ZDNet | Nov 21 10:52 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Lenovo's Software Defined Infrastructure | Nov 21 10:52 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Strategy Comes Together With Red Hat and | Nov 21 10:52 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Nutanix https://t.co/yXs8uUt7iM | Nov 21 10:52 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.forbes.com | Forbes Welcome | Nov 21 10:52 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Review: Ubuntu GNOME 15.10 is what vanilla | Nov 21 10:52 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Ubuntu should be https://t.co/8KjIEJu7yr | Nov 21 10:52 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.networkworld.com | Review: Ubuntu GNOME 15.10 is what vanilla Ubuntu should be | Nov 21 10:52 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Move over, Linux -- JavaScript-powered NodeOS | Nov 21 10:58 |
| TweetTuxMachines | 1.0 approaches https://t.co/Bvjcg7xmMM | Nov 21 10:58 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.infoworld.com | Move over, Linux -- JavaScript-powered NodeOS 1.0 approaches | InfoWorld | Nov 21 10:58 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines KDE Ships Beta of KDE Applications 15.12 | Nov 21 10:58 |
| TweetTuxMachines | https://t.co/mgGFBqRb9K (www.kde.org) | Nov 21 10:58 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.kde.org | KDE - KDE Ships Beta of KDE Applications 15.12 | Nov 21 10:58 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines NVIDIA 358.16 Linux Driver Brings Fixes | Nov 21 10:58 |
| TweetTuxMachines | https://t.co/F1BXIryJYv (www.phoronix.com) | Nov 21 10:58 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.phoronix.com | NVIDIA 358.16 Linux Driver Brings Fixes - Phoronix | Nov 21 10:58 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines The Best Android Smartwatch You Can Buy Today | Nov 21 10:59 |
| TweetTuxMachines | https://t.co/8l3sBDLVVl (www.droid-life.com) | Nov 21 10:59 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.droid-life.com | Best Android Smartwatch You Can Buy Today | Nov 21 10:59 | |
| *TweetTuxMachines @DianManissss favourited 'The Best Android Smartwatch You Can Buy Today...' | Nov 21 10:59 | |
| *TweetTuxMachines @AreaVera favourited 'The Best Android Smartwatch You Can Buy Today...' | Nov 21 11:00 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Smart light switch includes HD camera, IFTT | Nov 21 11:00 |
| TweetTuxMachines | support https://t.co/c0wmmHDpqo | Nov 21 11:00 |
| TweetTuxMachines | (linuxgizmos.com) "Linux-based home automation | Nov 21 11:01 |
| TweetTuxMachines | devices" | Nov 21 11:01 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-linuxgizmos.com | Smart light switch includes HD camera, IFTT support · LinuxGizmos.com | Nov 21 11:01 | |
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| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Libpng Vulnerabilities Fixed in All Supported | Nov 21 11:03 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Ubuntu OSes https://t.co/rwQlStR9vV | Nov 21 11:03 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-linux.softpedia.com | Libpng Vulnerabilities Fixed in All Supported Ubuntu OSes | Nov 21 11:03 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines A World Without Linux Would Mean a World | Nov 21 11:03 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Without Our Favorite Movies | Nov 21 11:03 |
| TweetTuxMachines | https://t.co/1mMSMzPF3P (news.softpedia.com) | Nov 21 11:03 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-news.softpedia.com | A World Without Linux Would Mean a World Without Our Favorite Movies | Nov 21 11:03 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines 7 Best Android Tablets Under $200 | Nov 21 11:03 |
| TweetTuxMachines | https://t.co/sDI32qbdS8 (www.gottabemobile.com) | Nov 21 11:03 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.gottabemobile.com | 7 Best Android Tablets Under $200 | Nov 21 11:03 | |
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| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Cinnamon 2.8.5 Is Out for Linux Mint 17.3 | Nov 21 11:11 |
| TweetTuxMachines | "Rosa", Improves Several Applets | Nov 21 11:11 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-linux.softpedia.com | Cinnamon 2.8.5 Is Out for Linux Mint 17.3 "Rosa," Improves Several Applets | Nov 21 11:11 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Nvidia 358.16 Linux Video Driver Is a | Nov 21 11:11 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Short-Lived One, but Supports XOrg Server 1.18 | Nov 21 11:11 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-news.softpedia.com | Nvidia 358.16 Linux Video Driver Is a Short-Lived One, but Supports X.Org Server 1.18 | Nov 21 11:11 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Slackware Live Edition https://t.co/xVMCKlHCo3 | Nov 21 11:11 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-alien.slackbook.org | Alien Pastures » Slackware Live Edition | Nov 21 11:11 | |
| schestowitz | https://joindiaspora.com/posts/6838317 | Nov 21 11:38 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: Canonical's IP Policy Is Vague for a Reason http://news.softpedia.com/news/canonical-s-ip-policy-is-vague-for-a-reason-but-matthew-garrett-says-ubuntu-is-not-free-496496.shtml same with #redhat #microsoft #patent agreement? Not acceptable for "open" | Nov 21 11:38 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights--> news.softpedia.com | Canonical's IP Policy Is Vague for a Reason, but Matthew Garrett Says Ubuntu Is Not Free | Nov 21 11:38 | |
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| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Leftovers: Gaming https://t.co/TcMQaobVY2 | Nov 21 12:20 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Leftovers: Gaming | Tux Machines | Nov 21 12:20 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines today's howtos https://t.co/tmNtRuTiSP | Nov 21 12:20 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | today's howtos | Tux Machines | Nov 21 12:21 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Leftovers: Software https://t.co/Lw40K1UAii | Nov 21 13:29 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Leftovers: Software | Tux Machines | Nov 21 13:29 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines today's leftovers https://t.co/7aWa675CUb | Nov 21 13:29 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | today's leftovers | Tux Machines | Nov 21 13:29 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Security Leftovers https://t.co/LnrWQyW1Ia | Nov 21 13:29 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Security Leftovers | Tux Machines | Nov 21 13:29 | |
| *TweetTuxMachines @softpedialinux favourited 'Libpng Vulnerabilities Fixed in All Supported Ubuntu OSes...' | Nov 21 13:29 | |
| *TweetTuxMachines @softpedialinux favourited 'A World Without Linux Would Mean a World...' | Nov 21 13:29 | |
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| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/redlocal/status/668030098793234432 | Nov 21 14:16 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@redlocal: The #ElementaryOS Developers Have Decided To Fork #Geary Under A New Name: #Pantheon Mail https://t.co/WNxiRm2o3r… https://t.co/3bGYT0CvqK | Nov 21 14:16 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights--> linuxg.net | The Elementary OS Developers Have Decided To Fork Geary Under A New Name: Pantheon Mail | LinuxG.net | Nov 21 14:16 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz: The #ElementaryOS Developers Have Decided To Fork #Geary Under A New Name: #Pantheon Mail https://t.co/AjNUYVLBOD #freesw | Nov 21 14:16 | |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/FOSSpatents/status/668044461608431616 | Nov 21 14:16 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@FOSSpatents: @schestowitz SUEPO apparently afraid of linking to TechRights. See their latest. I'm sure it's not that they don't appreciate your support. | Nov 21 14:16 | |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/kstallett/status/668053604863975424 | Nov 21 14:17 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@kstallett: @schestowitz @xguntherc Ill probably be getting a shield myself soon considering no real Ubuntu tablet anywhere on the horizon. | Nov 21 14:17 | |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/FOSSpatents/status/668058370813882368 https://twitter.com/FOSSpatents/status/668058709931724800 | Nov 21 14:18 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@FOSSpatents: I'm RT'ing this because there are some interesting observations in it. I don't mean to endorse the bribery theory. https://t.co/rY3gpwCpad | Nov 21 14:18 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz: It Pays (Off) to ‘Bribe’ the Media: Watch How #LesÉchos Covers #EPO Matters and Self-Censors https://t.co/aMYFA9zmtv #patents #europe | Nov 21 14:18 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@FOSSpatents: .@schestowitz I wouldn't attribute to malice on Les Échos' part what can be explained with lack of analysis. EPO situation is very special. | Nov 21 14:18 | |
| schestowitz | Re: The Microsoft Register :) | Nov 21 14:38 |
| schestowitz | > I just checked back in with theReg after a long absence. Seems nothing's | Nov 21 14:38 |
| schestowitz | > changed, same ole, same ole, a load of free adverts for MICROS~1 and | Nov 21 14:38 |
| schestowitz | > whenever there is mention of malware, blame third party apps rather than | Nov 21 14:38 |
| schestowitz | > the real source. Then think up a negative headline if google or Apple | Nov 21 14:38 |
| schestowitz | > are mentioned. One particular article refers to a hacking group hacking | Nov 21 14:38 |
| schestowitz | > "government systems". The article is carefully designed to deflect | Nov 21 14:38 |
| schestowitz | > attention to the root cause of all these hacks, namely the Microsoft | Nov 21 14:38 |
| schestowitz | > Windows operating system. Also, it seems the standard editorial strategy | Nov 21 14:38 |
| schestowitz | > to, what ever the subject, always include a Microsoft angle. for | Nov 21 14:38 |
| schestowitz | > instance "Microsoft makes Raspberry Pi its preferred IoT dev board". In | Nov 21 14:38 |
| schestowitz | > an article about googles cloud, there's a mention Microsoft cloud. | Nov 21 14:38 |
| schestowitz | > | Nov 21 14:38 |
| schestowitz | > It's an example of taking control of 'mindshare' that was mentioned in | Nov 21 14:38 |
| schestowitz | > that comes document. Or if they can't find a reason to mention MICROS~1 | Nov 21 14:38 |
| schestowitz | > say something negative, as in this headline "Google extends search | Nov 21 14:38 |
| schestowitz | > tendrils to cover data in apps". | Nov 21 14:38 |
| schestowitz | > | Nov 21 14:38 |
| schestowitz | > Here's another good example of spinning a fix for a defect in Edge | Nov 21 14:38 |
| schestowitz | > running under Windows into a positive then invoking the lack of such a | Nov 21 14:38 |
| schestowitz | > fix on other browsers as a negative. But then again the article is | Nov 21 14:38 |
| schestowitz | > wrong. The fault isn't in the browser but in the underlying OS. | Nov 21 14:38 |
| schestowitz | > | Nov 21 14:38 |
| schestowitz | > "The update makes the browser the only one with that type of security | Nov 21 14:38 |
| schestowitz | > protection." | Nov 21 14:38 |
| schestowitz | > | Nov 21 14:38 |
| schestowitz | > Haaaa, that's because the other browsers don't need such 'security | Nov 21 14:38 |
| schestowitz | > protection'. At least if they're running not on windows. and besides how | Nov 21 14:38 |
| schestowitz | > will this protect from a malicious signed DLL. The answer is it won't. | Nov 21 14:38 |
| schestowitz | > | Nov 21 14:38 |
| schestowitz | > Microsoft gets Edge on blocking ad injectors | Nov 21 14:38 |
| schestowitz | > <http://www.theregister.co.uk/2015/11/19/ms_edge_ad_injectors_squashed/> | Nov 21 14:38 |
| schestowitz | > | Nov 21 14:38 |
| schestowitz | > http://www.theregister.co.uk/2015/11/18/hacking_group_strontium_dogs_nato_and_government_targets/ | Nov 21 14:39 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.theregister.co.uk | Microsoft gets Edge on blocking ad injectors • The Register | Nov 21 14:39 | |
| schestowitz | > http://www.theregister.co.uk/2015/11/19/redmond_expels_galileo/ | Nov 21 14:39 |
| schestowitz | > Custom virtual machines come to Google's Compute Engine | Nov 21 14:39 |
| schestowitz | > <http://www.theregister.co.uk/2015/11/19/custom_virtual_machines_come_to_googles_compute_engine/> | Nov 21 14:39 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.theregister.co.uk | Hacking group Strontium dogs NATO and government targets • The Register | Nov 21 14:39 | |
| schestowitz | > | Nov 21 14:39 |
| schestowitz | > Mentions of Microsoft == 9 | Nov 21 14:39 |
| schestowitz | > Mentions of Windows = 6 | Nov 21 14:39 |
| schestowitz | Historically, El Reg was MS-hostile. Then Microsoft paid El Reg (ads and more). It led to El Reg being utter crap. | Nov 21 14:39 |
| schestowitz | This past year I couldn't quite say it was the same. A lot of hostile Vista 10 coverage came from El Reg and it's actually appreciated. | Nov 21 14:39 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.theregister.co.uk | Microsoft makes Raspberry Pi its preferred IoT dev board • The Register | Nov 21 14:39 | |
| schestowitz | I saw the Raspi-MS coverage yesterday and I do take note when they do pro-MS crap. Having said all that, I can't accept the view that MS still 'owns' them. They improve compared to previous years and some MS reps they had hired (Mary Jo Foley, Gavin Clarke etc.) were sort of gone this year... not sure why. | Nov 21 14:39 |
| schestowitz | Simon Sharwood and Tim Anderson still bother me a bit. Neil McAllister is a mixed bag. | Nov 21 14:39 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.theregister.co.uk | Custom virtual machines come to Google's Compute Engine • The Register | Nov 21 14:39 | |
| schestowitz | Re: Welcome to the Microsoft/Register spin zone :) | Nov 21 14:39 |
| schestowitz | > "We found additional vulnerabilities regarding Adobe Acrobat, Adobe | Nov 21 14:39 |
| schestowitz | > Reader, and Oracle Java software on the Windows 7 workstations," | Nov 21 14:39 |
| schestowitz | > | Nov 21 14:39 |
| schestowitz | > Notice the fault lies with Adobe and Oracle, not MICROS~1 .. | Nov 21 14:39 |
| schestowitz | > | Nov 21 14:39 |
| schestowitz | > http://www.theregister.co.uk/2015/11/20/homeland_securitys_secret_unpatched_pcs_dbs/ | Nov 21 14:39 |
| schestowitz | Maybe a mix of both. | Nov 21 14:39 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.theregister.co.uk | Who's running dozens of top-secret unpatched databases? The Dept of Homeland Security • The Register | Nov 21 14:39 | |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/FOSSpatents/status/668076794705260544 https://twitter.com/FOSSpatents/status/668076932655902721 | Nov 21 14:55 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@FOSSpatents: .@schestowitz Don't know about journalists but Münchner Merkur reported the EPO tried to get a union lawyer disbarred. | Nov 21 14:55 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@FOSSpatents: @schestowitz If evidence for bribery was presented, I'd tell it like it is. Here, I think Les Échos doesn't understand specific situation. | Nov 21 14:55 | |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/FOSSpatents/status/668077122590781440 https://twitter.com/FOSSpatents/status/668077311670018048 | Nov 21 14:55 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@FOSSpatents: @schestowitz Les Échos compares the EPO situation to that of private sector companies. That's the fundamental flaw there for two reasons. | Nov 21 14:55 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@FOSSpatents: @schestowitz One, Les Échos fails to understand that the EPO should not maximize profit but patent quality. Two, EPO has and abuses immunity | Nov 21 14:55 | |
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| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Your input, please: naming of action icons | Nov 21 17:25 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-frinring.wordpress.com | Your input, please: naming of action icons (tables, vectorpaths, animation, text, …) | Attracted by virtual constructs | Nov 21 17:25 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Mesa 11.1-RC1 Released https://t.co/kHTihakB6X | Nov 21 17:30 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.phoronix.com | Mesa 11.1-RC1 Released - Phoronix | Nov 21 17:30 | |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.phoronix.com | Mesa 11.0.6 Delivers More Fixes To Stable Users - Phoronix | Nov 21 17:30 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.phoronix.com | The Next Mesa Release Doesn't Have Any Major OpenGL Breakthrough - Phoronix | Nov 21 17:30 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines GCC 5.3 To Be Released Within A Few Weeks | Nov 21 17:30 |
| TweetTuxMachines | https://t.co/pcIoqDtKFD (www.phoronix.com) | Nov 21 17:30 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.phoronix.com | GCC 5.3 To Be Released Within A Few Weeks - Phoronix | Nov 21 17:30 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Nouveau Kepler Re-Clocking Is Working A Lot | Nov 21 17:30 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Better On Linux 4.4 https://t.co/zuoD79gPvW | Nov 21 17:30 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.phoronix.com | Nouveau Kepler Re-Clocking Is Working A Lot Better On Linux 4.4 - Phoronix | Nov 21 17:30 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Review: BlackBerry's keyboard not enough to | Nov 21 17:30 |
| TweetTuxMachines | make it stand out in Android pack | Nov 21 17:30 |
| TweetTuxMachines | https://t.co/5AgV5Actxt (m.phys.org) | Nov 21 17:30 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-phys.org | Review: BlackBerry's keyboard not enough to make it stand out in Android pack | Nov 21 17:30 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Ubuntu Touch OTA-9 Receives New Unity 8, | Nov 21 17:30 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Next-Gen Bluetooth Support, More | Nov 21 17:30 |
| TweetTuxMachines | https://t.co/ZTbxHgtoAy (news.softpedia.com) | Nov 21 17:30 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-news.softpedia.com | Ubuntu Touch OTA-9 Receives New Unity 8, Next-Gen Bluetooth Support, More | Nov 21 17:30 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines The Dual Boot Deception https://t.co/BgHjc8e1Hc | Nov 21 17:30 |
| TweetTuxMachines | (freedompenguin.com) “many of the perils of | Nov 21 17:30 |
| TweetTuxMachines | dual booting” | Nov 21 17:30 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-freedompenguin.com | The Dual Boot Deception - Freedom Penguin | Nov 21 17:30 | |
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| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Is Linux Mint a terrible desktop distribution? | Nov 21 17:30 |
| TweetTuxMachines | https://t.co/SX51jCkajb (www.itworld.com) bait | Nov 21 17:30 |
| TweetTuxMachines | headline for hits? # | Nov 21 17:30 |
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| *TweetTuxMachines @techmuser favourited 'Nouveau Kepler Re-Clocking Is Working A Lot Better...' | Nov 21 17:31 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.itworld.com | Is Linux Mint a terrible desktop distribution? | ITworld | Nov 21 17:31 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Vendetta: Curse of Raven's Cry Released With | Nov 21 17:31 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Linux Support https://t.co/iztIFxvpsU | Nov 21 17:31 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.phoronix.com | Vendetta: Curse of Raven's Cry Released With Linux Support - Phoronix | Nov 21 17:31 | |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/redlocal/status/668117502543704066 | Nov 21 17:31 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@redlocal: Michigan Tech and Eric Friesen help bring #RepRap #opensource #3Dprinting to #Nicaragua https://t.co/qMb5LlpJaO … https://t.co/zS8w2jobmv | Nov 21 17:31 | |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz: Michigan Tech and Eric Friesen help bring #RepRap #opensource #3Dprinting to #Nicaragua https://t.co/uvjGIpglFu https://t.co/8QyrfzICMM | Nov 21 17:32 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Today in Techrights https://t.co/0ShgDAxPJX | Nov 21 17:32 |
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| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Links 21/11/2015: Community Appreciation Day, | Nov 21 17:32 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Jolla's Problems https://t.co/H9XMhr0zH5 | Nov 21 17:32 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Today in Techrights | Tux Machines | Nov 21 17:32 | |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Links 21/11/2015: Community Appreciation Day, Jolla’s Problems | Techrights | Nov 21 17:32 | |
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| *TweetTuxMachines @schestowitz retweeted @tuxmachines: 'Links 21/11/2015: Community Appreciation Day, Jolla's Problems https://t.co/H9XMhr0zH5' | Nov 21 17:40 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Leftovers: KDE https://t.co/kf3Tx6BWcT | Nov 21 17:41 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Leftovers: KDE | Tux Machines | Nov 21 17:41 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Mesa/Graphics https://t.co/rt8LgaosuN | Nov 21 17:41 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Mesa/Graphics | Tux Machines | Nov 21 17:41 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines LinuxG on Ubuntu, Mint https://t.co/4CVBFn6d44 | Nov 21 17:41 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | LinuxG on Ubuntu, Mint | Tux Machines | Nov 21 17:41 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines today's howtos https://t.co/jvJq1M91Aa | Nov 21 17:41 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | today's howtos | Tux Machines | Nov 21 17:41 | |
| schestowitz | https://joindiaspora.com/posts/6839503 https://joindiaspora.com/posts/6838317 | Nov 21 17:50 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: Mariana Safer & Max Starkov are badmouthing #freesw w/ debunked old FUD to sell their crappy, insecure proprietary SW http://www.hotelnewsresource.com/article86605.html | Nov 21 17:50 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights--> www.hotelnewsresource.com | The Perils of Using an Open-Source Content Management System (CMS) to Power the Hotel Website - By Mariana Safer and Max Starkov [ http://ur1.ca/oawoz ] | Nov 21 17:50 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: Canonical's IP Policy Is Vague for a Reason http://news.softpedia.com/news/canonical-s-ip-policy-is-vague-for-a-reason-but-matthew-garrett-says-ubuntu-is-not-free-496496.shtml same with #redhat #microsoft #patent agreement? Not acceptable for "open" | Nov 21 17:50 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights--> news.softpedia.com | Canonical's IP Policy Is Vague for a Reason, but Matthew Garrett Says Ubuntu Is Not Free | Nov 21 17:50 | |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/el_piranna/status/668122073773002752 | Nov 21 17:52 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@el_piranna: #NodeOS 1.0-RC1 got published on @infoworld magazine!!! :-D \cc @0x604 @micael_gallego @pinchito @ibc_tw https://t.co/p47tRbg87u | Nov 21 17:52 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz: Move over, #Linux -- #JavaScript-powered #NodeOS 1.0 approaches https://t.co/ecu9yOw0Me "small-footprint Linux distribution" | Nov 21 17:53 | |
| schestowitz | https://joindiaspora.com/posts/6837428 | Nov 21 18:09 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: #Syria secretly sentenced free software developer #BasselKhartabil to death http://boingboing.net/2015/11/20/assad-government-secretly-sent.html major loss to #freesw | Nov 21 18:09 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights--> boingboing.net | Syria secretly sentenced free software developer Bassel Khartabil to death / Boing Boing | Nov 21 18:09 | |
| schestowitz | " | Nov 21 18:09 |
| schestowitz | The ones mentioned didn’t, they fingered him. Just as MIT was the cause of Swarz suicide. Khartabil is a syrian citizen. USA at war with Syria. USA praises Khartabil, labeling him a traitor. | Nov 21 18:09 |
| schestowitz | See the guest list of Foreign Policy site - makes even our hair curl. | Nov 21 18:09 |
| schestowitz | Imagine a US hacker in the USA being praised and given employment etc by ISIS and Al Qaida… or just Assad. PUBLICLY. | Nov 21 18:09 |
| schestowitz | This is war, man, deaths and refugees - a (still) sovereign state fighting for its survival and those idiots in the USA… | Nov 21 18:10 |
| schestowitz | " | Nov 21 18:10 |
| schestowitz | "Sad story and I see little pressure being made on helping him, i.e. only 2,000 tweets in last month and only 2,500 likes in the FreeBasselSafadi facebook site. (Other prisioners in Syria have hundreds of thousand of tweets sent by tweeter users). Other carachteristic about his case is that there is no confirmation of death sentece by any other source than his wife’s fears. Maybe It is possible of course, I don’t know, but news sites | Nov 21 18:11 |
| schestowitz | says on headlines that he have been sentenced to death as it was already confirmed. Other thing that I learned today by studying this case is that not only regular goverment of Syria make death sentences, in the areas controlled by the rebel Free Syrian Army (F.S.A.) have been so far 8 death sentences only for “blasphemy” by F.S.A. “courts”, I mention that just to put in context death sentences in Syria. Since this is a special case | Nov 21 18:11 |
| schestowitz | in which this kind of good person to humanity is possible (although not confirmed) facing death, I will campaign for him in my posts and other activities in Internet." | Nov 21 18:11 |
| schestowitz | I don't think it's fair to accuse MIT of contributing to his death | Nov 21 18:11 |
| schestowitz | https://joindiaspora.com/posts/6838203 | Nov 21 18:11 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: Recent actions by our governments serve to suggest that radical Islamists are like the "Conservatives" in the Muslim world | Nov 21 18:11 | |
| schestowitz | " | Nov 21 18:11 |
| schestowitz | If your european governs were true conservatives in past 30 yars this situation of cultural collapse never happen. And now your people are endorsing the game of socialists and “aka” conservatives with total link with eurasianists. In truth both sides has link. | Nov 21 18:11 |
| schestowitz | It is like again yhe scissors tact of stalin | Nov 21 18:11 |
| schestowitz | " | Nov 21 18:12 |
| schestowitz | https://joindiaspora.com/posts/6839558 | Nov 21 18:12 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: Thanks to all those who are sending article translations regarding #epo - some to be punished tomorrow http://techrights.org/wiki/index.php/EPO | Nov 21 18:12 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights--> techrights.org | EPO - Techrights | Nov 21 18:12 | |
| schestowitz | "Punished? :)" | Nov 21 18:12 |
| schestowitz | Oops | Nov 21 18:12 |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Leftovers: OSS https://t.co/HRrocnmh5I | Nov 21 19:13 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Leftovers: OSS | Tux Machines | Nov 21 19:13 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Today in Techrights https://t.co/0ShgDAxPJX | Nov 21 19:13 |
| TweetTuxMachines | retweeted by (www.tuxmachines.org) | Nov 21 19:13 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Today in Techrights | Tux Machines | Nov 21 19:13 | |
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| schestowitz | Just got a treasure trove | Nov 21 22:43 |
| schestowitz | " | Nov 21 22:43 |
| schestowitz | Dear Sir, | Nov 21 22:43 |
| schestowitz | Thank you. I saw that reply from President Battistelli about an hour ago and started drafting something about it. I really needed a translation of it, so what you've just sent me came at a perfect time. | Nov 21 22:43 |
| schestowitz | If I don't fall asleep before 3 AM I plan to release 4 articles tonight and the article about this letter I can probably post tomorrow, along with another article. I have lot more lined up for the coming week, owing to kind sources like yourself. | Nov 21 22:43 |
| schestowitz | I will protect your identity and very much appreciate any additional feedback you have. | Nov 21 22:43 |
| schestowitz | Kind regards, | Nov 21 22:43 |
| schestowitz | " | Nov 21 22:43 |
| schestowitz | (Re: EPO: Letter from Battistelli to P.-Y. le Borgn') | Nov 21 22:43 |
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| XFaCE | MinceR: how dare you mincer | Nov 15 00:03 |
| XFaCE | Windows 10 is the most stable Windows yet | Nov 15 00:03 |
| MinceR | lol | Nov 15 00:03 |
| XFaCE | MinceR: Actually I'm pretty Microsoft recycles the same damn marketing points every single release | Nov 15 00:04 |
| MinceR | even if that were true, there's a lot of improvement necessary before applications stop freezing :> | Nov 15 00:04 |
| cubexyz | I see lots of complaints | Nov 15 00:04 |
| cubexyz | philosophically speaking it's pretty much awful | Nov 15 00:05 |
| cubexyz | oh and shutdowns and reboots take a long time | Nov 15 00:17 |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Shoddy Laptop? Linux 4.4 Gets Patch To Support | Nov 15 00:57 |
| TweetTuxMachines | ESC Key On Lenovo Laptop | Nov 15 00:57 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.phoronix.com | Shoddy Laptop? Linux 4.4 Gets Patch To Support ESC Key On Lenovo Laptop - Phoronix | Nov 15 00:57 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines KDE Frameworks 5.16.0 Arrives with Lots of | Nov 15 00:57 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Plasma Framework Improvements, More | Nov 15 00:57 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | KDE Frameworks 5.16.0 Arrives with Lots of Plasma Framework Improvements, More | Tux Machines | Nov 15 00:57 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Linux 4.4 Is Checking In At Over 20.8 Million | Nov 15 00:57 |
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| cubexyz | ok, doing more q4os testing tonight | Nov 15 01:27 |
| cubexyz | http://www.maxhost.org/other/q4os-trinity-kalzium-2015.png | Nov 15 01:33 |
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| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines GeckoLinux - based on openSUSE Leap 42.1 with | Nov 15 03:43 |
| TweetTuxMachines | more features and refinements | Nov 15 03:43 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | GeckoLinux - based on openSUSE Leap 42.1 with more features and refinements | Tux Machines | Nov 15 03:43 | |
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| *Topic for #techrights set by schestowitz!~schestowi@unaffiliated/schestowitz at Sat Jun 9 18:16:19 2012 | Nov 15 09:18 | |
| schestowitz | https://joindiaspora.com/posts/6816053 | Nov 15 10:03 |
| schestowitz | "let me know when they’ve got one for the Fn key :)" | Nov 15 10:03 |
| schestowitz | https://joindiaspora.com/posts/6815992 | Nov 15 10:04 |
| schestowitz | "The new manjaros are sexy!" | Nov 15 10:04 |
| schestowitz | Who's using them? | Nov 15 10:04 |
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| schestowitz | > http://esr.ibiblio.org/?p=6918 | Nov 15 10:22 |
| schestowitz | > | Nov 15 10:22 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-esr.ibiblio.org | Why Hackers Must Eject the SJWs | Nov 15 10:22 | |
| schestowitz | > First, recall that there are business and political interests with the | Nov 15 10:22 |
| schestowitz | > long term goal of taking down FOSS that have been using intensive | Nov 15 10:22 |
| schestowitz | > strategies against FOSS and Linux in particular. We know that all | Nov 15 10:22 |
| schestowitz | > possible methods are used, including, I suppose, employing false SJWs. | Nov 15 10:22 |
| schestowitz | > They are a bit like astroturfers but write enough code to be able to say | Nov 15 10:22 |
| schestowitz | > they are involved in a project (c.f. mono in Ubuntu). It seems to me | Nov 15 10:22 |
| schestowitz | > that the trendy social issues are now catspaws to hide the true source | Nov 15 10:22 |
| schestowitz | > of the attacks. If these SJWs were real hackers they would write good | Nov 15 10:22 |
| schestowitz | > code regardless of whether there were fags, women, men in dresses, | Nov 15 10:22 |
| schestowitz | > asexuals, etc. But the goal appears to ensure that there is holey code | Nov 15 10:22 |
| schestowitz | > and bad design in FOSS which reduces its potential to be successful and | Nov 15 10:22 |
| schestowitz | > allow proprietary sw and spying to gain. The interests promoting not | Nov 15 10:22 |
| schestowitz | > just holey code but bad design (e.g. systemd) have simply pulled their | Nov 15 10:23 |
| schestowitz | > chain to get them to bark to avoid real discussion of the code and | Nov 15 10:23 |
| schestowitz | > improvement of design. The original idea in FOSS, and OSS in | Nov 15 10:23 |
| schestowitz | > particular, was technical discussion and improvement. Some of these | Nov 15 10:23 |
| schestowitz | > projects have lost the original spirit and are losing their way. | Nov 15 10:23 |
| schestowitz | Last time I met RMS we talked about how likely it was that "Linux" was embrace and "GNU" omitted by large businesses because Torvalds was more likely to help them. He thought it was possible and found it interested. | Nov 15 10:23 |
| schestowitz | I don't think that the Intel SJW is intentionally put there for the reasons above. Either way, going down this route of discrediting feminism in FOSS wouldn't be wise for me or for TR because there exists discrimination and I'm already seeing the vicious attacks ESR gets online for writing the above. | Nov 15 10:23 |
| schestowitz | Let's just say that we can bemoan corporation abuse of Linux (UEFI, TPM etc.) without lumping in SJWs... | Nov 15 10:23 |
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| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Google Nexus 6P review: Android M and camera | Nov 15 10:38 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Google Nexus 6P review: Android M and camera steal the show | Tux Machines | Nov 15 10:38 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Android Wear can do a whole lot more using your | Nov 15 10:39 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.engadget.com | Android Wear can do a whole lot more using your wrist | Nov 15 10:39 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Want an open-source deep learning framework? | Nov 15 10:46 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Take your pick https://t.co/39XpSW2CPh | Nov 15 10:46 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-venturebeat.com | Want an open-source deep learning framework? Take your pick | VentureBeat | Dev | by Jordan Novet | Nov 15 10:46 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Another Android-powered BlackBerry breaks cover | Nov 15 10:46 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.stuff.tv | Another Android-powered BlackBerry breaks cover | Stuff | Nov 15 10:46 | |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-julianalouback.com | PaperTrail - Powered by IBM Watson | Nov 15 10:46 | |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/huehuehuio/status/665843838259478528 | Nov 15 10:51 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@huehuehuio: @horakanwalt @schestowitz and also Pentagon contractors | Nov 15 10:51 | |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Android Leftovers | Tux Machines | Nov 15 11:12 | |
| *TweetTuxMachines @jsfour favourited 'Want an open-source deep learning framework? Take your...' | Nov 15 11:12 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines 4MLinux 15.0 BETA released. | Nov 15 12:00 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-indianexpress.com | Google Nexus 6P review: Android M and camera steal the show | The Indian Express | Nov 15 12:00 | |
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| msb_ | schestowitz: I think systemd is by far the worst attack on Linux. I can't even recommend an up-to-date non-systemd distro. Manjaro uses it. After that would be UEFI and KDE4/5/Plasma. I don't think the SJWs will cause any significant problem. Their complex "code of conduct" will repel nearly everyone. | Nov 15 13:12 |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/backavar/status/665882389449728001 | Nov 15 13:24 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@backavar: @schestowitz well, if i would get the support and care that i was promised then I wouldn't be trying to find a better life. Stupid Gov'mt | Nov 15 13:24 | |
| schestowitz | msb_: both are issues | Nov 15 13:24 |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/Messgorough/status/665882487671885824 | Nov 15 13:25 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@Messgorough: @FeelitWorking @schestowitz Not helped by governments UTTER lack of understanding on this or the effects of dragnet usage. | Nov 15 13:25 | |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/communicipalist/status/665884073546547200 | Nov 15 13:31 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@communicipalist: Should keep them busy nice to know our taxes are being spent productively in keeping Cheltenham in employment https://t.co/7iR8XCdDsC | Nov 15 13:31 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz: "Al Qaeda knew for decades to avoid electronic means of communication" https://t.co/dPOKBCToQ6 mass #surveillance is against dissidents | Nov 15 13:31 | |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/backavar/status/665884441223499776 | Nov 15 13:31 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@backavar: @schestowitz it is a difficult lesson to learn, that is for sure. | Nov 15 13:31 | |
| schestowitz | wish you the best and will do what I can to spread your message | Nov 15 13:31 |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/backavar/status/665885129290735616 | Nov 15 13:35 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@backavar: @schestowitz thank you, sir. You honor me greatly. | Nov 15 13:35 | |
| MinceR | https://twitter.com/GrrrGraphics/status/665561747500040192 | Nov 15 13:51 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@GrrrGraphics: PC CENSORSHIP FACEBOOK has removed "CryBullies"from my FB pages saying it "violates" their "Community Standards!" https://t.co/QjxhA3V3yE | Nov 15 13:52 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@GrrrGraphics: PC CENSORSHIP FACEBOOK has removed "CryBullies"from my FB pages saying it "violates" their "Community Standards!" https://t.co/QjxhA3V3yE | Nov 15 13:52 | |
| MinceR | msb_: why not recommend slackware? | Nov 15 13:52 |
| MinceR | also, poettering is an SJW, yet that didn't repel people from cancerd | Nov 15 13:52 |
| msb_ | Because slackware is not up to date. Last release was two years ago. | Nov 15 13:53 |
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| MinceR | i see | Nov 15 13:54 |
| MinceR | what about funtoo? | Nov 15 13:54 |
| msb_ | There must be some kind of covert operation that has gotten systemd accepted -- bribery, blackmail, etc. | Nov 15 13:55 |
| msb_ | funtoo is source-based. Most people will not want that. | Nov 15 13:56 |
| MinceR | maybe they'll still prefer it to systemd/Linux or systemd/Garrettux, though | Nov 15 13:58 |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines PHP 7.0 vs. HHVM 3.10 Performance Tests | Nov 15 13:58 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | PHP 7.0 vs. HHVM 3.10 Performance Tests | Tux Machines | Nov 15 13:58 | |
| msb_ | No. Most users are unaware of the problems with systemd, and are content to use an easy and up to date distro like Ubuntu, Fedora, or Suse. | Nov 15 13:59 |
| MinceR | eventually they'll find out it's getting as bad as vista, though | Nov 15 14:00 |
| msb_ | I doubt that Poettering will let it get that bad as seen by the user. I think the main purpose of systemd is to allow the US govt so kill all computers using it. | Nov 15 14:03 |
| msb_ | so -> to | Nov 15 14:04 |
| MinceR | i doubt he can avoid it | Nov 15 14:05 |
| MinceR | his design sucks | Nov 15 14:05 |
| MinceR | systemd is already doing extremely harmful things | Nov 15 14:05 |
| MinceR | like running fsck in parallel with other processes that use the same filesystem mounted read-write | Nov 15 14:05 |
| MinceR | plus it's full of potential vulnerabilities | Nov 15 14:06 |
| msb_ | I didn't know about fsck. Maybe a secondary purpose is to make Linux unreliable so people will use Windows. | Nov 15 14:08 |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/SeaH2ONymph/status/665893268979326976 | Nov 15 14:08 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@SeaH2ONymph: #US #NSA - Nat'l Reconnaissance Office - Nat'l Geospatial Agency employ 25,000 ft employees & 25,000 contractors https://t.co/yTuUprqqOq | Nov 15 14:08 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz: "Eliminate three secret agencies costing $25 billion a year" https://t.co/yLqqprmy3v | Nov 15 14:08 | |
| schestowitz | [22:52] <XFaCE> just a suggestion | Nov 15 14:09 |
| schestowitz | [22:52] <XFaCE> http://techrights.org/2015/10/25/techrights-doc-drop/ | Nov 15 14:10 |
| schestowitz | Yes, I was told so weeks ago | Nov 15 14:10 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | How to Securely Provide Techrights With Information, Documents | Techrights | Nov 15 14:10 | |
| MinceR | https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DFeDFva6tcg (sauce: http://theralphretort.com/politically-incorrect-pioneer-bill-maher-takes-worthless-pc-culture-3028015/ ) | Nov 15 14:29 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.youtube.com | Real Time with Bill Maher: Liberals vs. Liberals (HBO) - YouTube | Nov 15 14:29 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-theralphretort.com | "Politically Incorrect" Pioneer Bill Maher Takes On Worthless PC Culture | Nov 15 14:29 | |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/glynmoody/status/665899375311380480 | Nov 15 14:31 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@glynmoody: good point https://t.co/jVCH5omI52 | Nov 15 14:31 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz: There is a new Pirate-like term for #privacy that's promoted in corporate media: it's called "going dark", they associate it with "dark web" | Nov 15 14:31 | |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/ArneBab/status/665900143493910529 | Nov 15 14:34 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@ArneBab: @schestowitz That’s closer to reality than piracy: Since major political parties are failing us constantly, you have to go dark for privacy. | Nov 15 14:34 | |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/plomm3r/status/665902243816841217 | Nov 15 14:44 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@plomm3r: @schestowitz @glynmoody Pablo Escobar used pigeons to message to his partners in crime. After @Snowden, self-respecting terrorists know this | Nov 15 14:44 | |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/SteveNixonIP/status/665903640163573761 | Nov 15 14:47 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@SteveNixonIP: @schestowitz @PrivacyCamp @snowden They already did this ages ago. What more could they do? | Nov 15 14:47 | |
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| schestowitz | longpaste (relating to systemd etc.), important but not for front page: | Nov 15 15:43 |
| schestowitz | ------------- | Nov 15 15:43 |
| schestowitz | > On 11/15/2015 12:22 PM, Roy Schestowitz wrote: | Nov 15 15:43 |
| schestowitz | >> Last time I met RMS we talked about how likely it was that "Linux" | Nov 15 15:43 |
| schestowitz | >> was embrace and "GNU" omitted by large businesses because Torvalds | Nov 15 15:43 |
| schestowitz | >> was more likely to help them. He thought it was possible and found it | Nov 15 15:43 |
| schestowitz | >> interested. | Nov 15 15:43 |
| schestowitz | >> | Nov 15 15:43 |
| schestowitz | >> I don't think that the Intel SJW is intentionally put there for the | Nov 15 15:43 |
| schestowitz | >> reasons above. Either way, going down this route of discrediting | Nov 15 15:43 |
| schestowitz | >> feminism in FOSS wouldn't be wise for me or for TR because there | Nov 15 15:43 |
| schestowitz | >> exists discrimination and I'm already seeing the vicious attacks ESR | Nov 15 15:43 |
| schestowitz | >> gets online for writing the above. | Nov 15 15:43 |
| schestowitz | > | Nov 15 15:43 |
| schestowitz | > S helped write that first comment and this one. She is more worried | Nov 15 15:43 |
| schestowitz | > than I, though I myself am worried. She and I don't understand what | Nov 15 15:43 |
| schestowitz | > can be done for the SJW issues in a *technical* project. These social | Nov 15 15:43 |
| schestowitz | > issues, she points out, have nothing to do with writing code. This | Nov 15 15:43 |
| schestowitz | > seems to be a kind of new tactic against not just FOSS but even OSS. I | Nov 15 15:43 |
| schestowitz | > think it is because the latter is now firmly accepted by business and, | Nov 15 15:43 |
| schestowitz | > to a lesser extent, government. It's a noisy form of entryism to | Nov 15 15:43 |
| schestowitz | > confuse, distract or otherwise take attention away from the code. | Nov 15 15:43 |
| schestowitz | Yes, in tuxmachines I lumped about 50 articles as such under the comments section of one single node (the first about Sharp), so as to avoid the signal being reduced/diluted by the 'news' (including ESR). You can still see that in the site. | Nov 15 15:43 |
| schestowitz | Red Hat and EPO are among my important 'projects' now... feminism etc. are important subjects, but not for FOSS. Some people in the atheist 'community' also rejected the interjection of feminism into their cause, which was science. You can find plenty of information about this only. They called it "atheism plus" (plus what you ask? SJW). | Nov 15 15:43 |
| schestowitz | >> Let's just say that we can bemoan corporation abuse of Linux (UEFI, | Nov 15 15:43 |
| schestowitz | >> TPM etc.) without lumping in SJWs... | Nov 15 15:43 |
| schestowitz | > | Nov 15 15:43 |
| schestowitz | > Yes, but I think this is kind of a warning of new tactics, related to | Nov 15 15:43 |
| schestowitz | > entryism. There are some legitimate social problems in society and | Nov 15 15:43 |
| schestowitz | > there are some few people honestly trying to help through social means. | Nov 15 15:44 |
| schestowitz | > However, some of them might be catspaws and there are also probably | Nov 15 15:44 |
| schestowitz | > paid SJWs as there are astroturfers. The time might not be right to | Nov 15 15:44 |
| schestowitz | > address it publicly on TR but nevertheless it should be tracked | Nov 15 15:44 |
| schestowitz | > privately if only used to see what the anti-FOSS interests are aiming to | Nov 15 15:44 |
| schestowitz | > disrupt. | Nov 15 15:44 |
| schestowitz | I haven't been attacked by SJW, at least not yet. RMS faced several such attack, then there's Eich... now Torvalds... | Nov 15 15:44 |
| schestowitz | > But the important question to ask is, why isn't OSS allowed to keep | Nov 15 15:44 |
| schestowitz | > writing good code? The focus should be on the code and its quality, not | Nov 15 15:44 |
| schestowitz | > who or what has produced it. Who has a policy of bugdoors? Also, people | Nov 15 15:44 |
| schestowitz | > once dismissed the tactic of astroturfing. Now awareness of it is more | Nov 15 15:44 |
| schestowitz | > than mainstream and it is losing its effectiveness so new avenues are | Nov 15 15:44 |
| schestowitz | > being used. I forget which document covered it, but the M$ jihad back | Nov 15 15:44 |
| schestowitz | > then was about keeping mindshare on anything except Linux, GNU, or FOSS. | Nov 15 15:44 |
| schestowitz | Microsoft recently tried to get me fired. | Nov 15 15:44 |
| schestowitz | > PS. She ran a few OSS-oriented projects a while back and has identified | Nov 15 15:44 |
| schestowitz | > first hand some of the M$ attacks, and even some other groups. In one | Nov 15 15:44 |
| schestowitz | > case, a Softer set up a web site to 'promote' OSS and gathered up a lot | Nov 15 15:44 |
| schestowitz | > of names through participants and projects. Then the site changed to | Nov 15 15:44 |
| schestowitz | > spread FUD against OSS and M$ was able to target those people who had | Nov 15 15:44 |
| schestowitz | > identified themselves. | Nov 15 15:44 |
| schestowitz | Yes, there are other such examples. One of them is OSSWatch - that's where the attacks on my job incidentally came from... after Microsoft had scooped up some of their key staff. | Nov 15 15:44 |
| MinceR | msb_: at least slackware 14.1 is still newer than debian 7 :> | Nov 15 16:23 |
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| msb_ | Devuan is based on Debian 8 -- Jessie -- April 25, 2015. | Nov 15 16:33 |
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| XFaCE | schestowitz: MinceR cubexyz https://news.vice.com/article/windows-31-is-still-alive-and-it-just-killed-a-french-airport | Nov 15 17:40 |
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| msb_ | I'll bet their Unix software is still working reliably. | Nov 15 18:02 |
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| oiaohm | MinceR you need to look again at systemd when fsck is running on a file system under it the file system is still mounted read only. | Nov 15 21:04 |
| oiaohm | MinceR: The difference from sysvinit and systemd with fsck is the fact applications are allowed to read data off of a file system before is fsck cleared. | Nov 15 21:04 |
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| MinceR | oiaohm: until systemd gets tired of waiting for fsck (times out) and resumes booting | Nov 15 21:16 |
| XFaCE | fsck systemd | Nov 15 21:18 |
| oiaohm | MinceR: sorry fsck timeout and booting going ahead anyhow happened under sysvinit | Nov 15 21:28 |
| MinceR | citation needed | Nov 15 21:29 |
| oiaohm | MinceR: so not a new fault. | Nov 15 21:29 |
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| oiaohm | MinceR: http://www.freedesktop.org/software/systemd/man/systemd-fsck@.service.html this does not in fact have a timeout. | Nov 15 21:33 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.freedesktop.org | systemd-fsck@.service [ http://ur1.ca/o9vyh ] | Nov 15 21:33 | |
| oiaohm | Its the fsck program it self times out MinceR | Nov 15 21:33 |
| oiaohm | Now of course under sysvinit where fsck is running with full cpu to itself it way less likely to hit the timeout. | Nov 15 21:34 |
| oiaohm | MinceR: basically hidden fault that systemd has made front and center. | Nov 15 21:35 |
| MinceR | i'm not so sure about that | Nov 15 21:35 |
| MinceR | systemd is full of dark secrets | Nov 15 21:35 |
| oiaohm | Not really. | Nov 15 21:35 |
| oiaohm | systemd has a few design issues. | Nov 15 21:36 |
| MinceR | and magic numbers | Nov 15 21:36 |
| MinceR | systemd is a fractal of bad design | Nov 15 21:36 |
| oiaohm | Every new system has a percentage of bad design parts. | Nov 15 21:37 |
| oiaohm | The recent systemd conference they have talked about correcting some of the worst. | Nov 15 21:37 |
| oiaohm | Like moving the unit file processor out its own application. | Nov 15 21:38 |
| MinceR | i thought keeping everything in one big hairball was teh best possible design evar | Nov 15 21:38 |
| MinceR | what happened? | Nov 15 21:39 |
| oiaohm | Really systemd has from the start breaking up into more and more applications. | Nov 15 21:39 |
| oiaohm | Basically they prototype in the hairball when they work out how it should work they then make the independant application to perform the task. | Nov 15 21:40 |
| oiaohm | That has been the systemd design model. | Nov 15 21:40 |
| oiaohm | Also the fact that kdbus is being delayed lot of fix up work to dbus has been put back on the table. Like adding time stamps to dbus messages so you know how old a message is. | Nov 15 21:41 |
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| MinceR | dropping oodles of garbage that really depends on the hairball during the build process or actually breaking it up? | Nov 15 21:42 |
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| MinceR | a few thousand *ctl binaries won't save this design | Nov 15 21:42 |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Phoronix on Kernel, Graphics | Nov 15 21:42 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Phoronix on Kernel, Graphics | Tux Machines | Nov 15 21:42 | |
| MinceR | also, why didn't they finish the design before trying to force systemd on everybody? | Nov 15 21:43 |
| oiaohm | MinceR: just an example systemd-nspawn for starting up cgroups around services that use to be in PID 1. | Nov 15 21:43 |
| oiaohm | when systemd first started. | Nov 15 21:43 |
| MinceR | still depends on systemd | Nov 15 21:43 |
| MinceR | and still depends on secret APIs | Nov 15 21:43 |
| MinceR | (that also change randomly) | Nov 15 21:44 |
| oiaohm | Not true | Nov 15 21:44 |
| MinceR | all the better to lock competitors out of being compatible with cancerd | Nov 15 21:44 |
| oiaohm | The interface apis that nspawn connect to is fully documented. | Nov 15 21:44 |
| MinceR | just like a certain other company | Nov 15 21:44 |
| MinceR | which brings me back to the first point | Nov 15 21:45 |
| MinceR | if you people love the design of windows so much, why don't you go back to using that and stop trying to destroy gnu/linux? | Nov 15 21:45 |
| oiaohm | 1 sysvinit was broken. | Nov 15 21:45 |
| oiaohm | 2 making a replacement is never fun. | Nov 15 21:45 |
| msb_ | oiaohm: Please read this and tell me you are sure that systemd works correctly: http://blog.darknedgy.net/technology/2015/10/11/0/ Personally, I think it is a Redback spider under the toilet seat. | Nov 15 21:46 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-blog.darknedgy.net | Structural and semantic deficiencies in the systemd architecture for real-world service management, a technical treatise | Nov 15 21:46 | |
| XFaCE | [16:45:58]<oiaohm> 2 making a replacement is never fun. | Nov 15 21:48 |
| XFaCE | we have several replacements | Nov 15 21:48 |
| MinceR | all of which are better designed than cancerd | Nov 15 21:48 |
| MinceR | also, systemd is not a "sysvinit replacement" | Nov 15 21:48 |
| XFaCE | [16:45:46]<oiaohm> 1 sysvinit was broken. | Nov 15 21:49 |
| MinceR | it's an everything replacement | Nov 15 21:49 |
| MinceR | if it was just an init system, it would be easy to swap it in or out | Nov 15 21:49 |
| XFaCE | no one is saying that sysvinit should be used forever | Nov 15 21:49 |
| MinceR | but it actually hooks into the host system with millions of tentacles | Nov 15 21:49 |
| msb_ | If sysvinit is "broken" it is so minimally broken that it worked fine in a hundred million systems for several decades. | Nov 15 21:50 |
| oiaohm | msb_: most of what was in that blog is covered by the recent systemd conference. | Nov 15 21:50 |
| msb_ | Covered with what? Shit? | Nov 15 21:50 |
| oiaohm | Plans to rebuild sections. | Nov 15 21:51 |
| msb_ | That blog shows that the internals of systemd are so complicated that nobody can possibly figure what it actually does in all circumstances. | Nov 15 21:51 |
| msb_ | So now this systemd conference admits that systemd is a huge load of unpredictable shit, _after_ it has been adopted by nearly all Linux distros, for reasons that nobody knows. | Nov 15 21:53 |
| msb_ | Or at least nobody is telling,. | Nov 15 21:53 |
| oiaohm | The fact that bigger guys are running systemd they are finding some nasty issue. That are forcing sections to be fixed. | Nov 15 21:56 |
| msb_ | 'Sentence first—verdict afterwards.'. | Nov 15 21:56 |
| oiaohm | Fun one at the systemd confence was locking up systemd by reloading unit files. | Nov 15 21:56 |
| msb_ | So the huge pile of shit was never vetted _before_ it was adopted by everyone. | Nov 15 21:57 |
| oiaohm | That traces back to a few things. 1 systemd cannot reload a single unit file instead reload all of them. | Nov 15 21:57 |
| oiaohm | 2 dbus/messeging used by init does not have a time stamp so if you send 1 million reload messages systemd will perform them all. | Nov 15 21:58 |
| oiaohm | Yes journald lack of performance also upsets big guys. | Nov 15 21:59 |
| oiaohm | And that is another stupidity in design. | Nov 15 21:59 |
| oiaohm | "A more nuanced solution could be listening for events from the Netlink proc connector (cn_proc)." Like that one from the blog post. Turns out cn_proc is a cpu time black hole. netfilter is implement cgroup support to attempt to get around it. | Nov 15 22:04 |
| MinceR | yeah, first people state publicly that the design of systemd is broken and it shouldn't be forced on anyone | Nov 15 22:04 |
| MinceR | then those people are called stupid and systemd is forced on almost everyone | Nov 15 22:04 |
| MinceR | then the systemd cabal finally realizes their shit is broken | Nov 15 22:04 |
| MinceR | and then they try to patch it up even though the fundamental design is braindead | Nov 15 22:04 |
| oiaohm | MinceR: it chicken and egg problem. | Nov 15 22:04 |
| MinceR | no, a trainwreck | Nov 15 22:04 |
| MinceR | a combination of incompetent code monkeys and a company with huge influence and no scruples | Nov 15 22:05 |
| MinceR | and enormous egos | Nov 15 22:05 |
| oiaohm | How many attempts were there to replace sysvinit that got no where. | Nov 15 22:05 |
| MinceR | doesn't matter | Nov 15 22:05 |
| MinceR | systemd shouldn't have gotten anywhere | Nov 15 22:05 |
| oiaohm | It does matter. | Nov 15 22:05 |
| MinceR | as it's shit | Nov 15 22:05 |
| oiaohm | sysvinit is shit that was failing to be replaced | Nov 15 22:05 |
| MinceR | having lots of attempts that get ignored is normal for free software | Nov 15 22:06 |
| MinceR | sysvinit is not nearly as shitty as systemd is | Nov 15 22:06 |
| MinceR | and we have openrc | Nov 15 22:06 |
| oiaohm | sysvinit is in a lot of ways worse than systemd | Nov 15 22:06 |
| MinceR | and had it for years | Nov 15 22:06 |
| oiaohm | openrc comes out of systemd | Nov 15 22:06 |
| MinceR | yeah, right | Nov 15 22:06 |
| oiaohm | coming into existance. | Nov 15 22:06 |
| MinceR | because gentoo is systemd | Nov 15 22:06 |
| MinceR | i'm sure plenty of people at deadrat believe sysvinit to be worse than systemd | Nov 15 22:06 |
| MinceR | but those people know nothing about software engineering | Nov 15 22:07 |
| oiaohm | That is the problem. Old school software engineering models can have issues with systemd development method. | Nov 15 22:08 |
| oiaohm | I did not say systemd has the best development methods. | Nov 15 22:08 |
| msb_ | The big question is: _Why_ was systemd adopted by all major distros? It had to be a tailored combination of bribery and/or blackmail, engineered by RedHats biggest customer, the US government. | Nov 15 22:08 |
| oiaohm | systemd is taking the prototype development method. | Nov 15 22:08 |
| MinceR | the concept of cohesion is not an "old school software engineering model" | Nov 15 22:08 |
| MinceR | it's part of software engineering 101 | Nov 15 22:08 |
| MinceR | which poettering never studied | Nov 15 22:09 |
| oiaohm | Sorry wrong. | Nov 15 22:09 |
| MinceR | no, systemd is taking the "hack up a mountain of shit and then foist it on everyone" method | Nov 15 22:09 |
| MinceR | msb_: because ratcrap abused their control over gnome | Nov 15 22:09 |
| MinceR | and more direct control over a number of distros | Nov 15 22:09 |
| MinceR | "code first, think later -- or never" | Nov 15 22:10 |
| oiaohm | MinceR: poettering has stuided software engineering if you look up his qualifications. | Nov 15 22:10 |
| oiaohm | Problem is poettering takes the prototype method. | Nov 15 22:10 |
| MinceR | then his educators and examiners failed horribly | Nov 15 22:10 |
| oiaohm | Not exactly. | Nov 15 22:11 |
| oiaohm | When building a prototype you make it work then sort out the details. | Nov 15 22:11 |
| MinceR | poettering's "design" (if we can call it that) shows total ignorance of fundamental principles | Nov 15 22:11 |
| MinceR | and how do you build a prototype without thinking first? | Nov 15 22:11 |
| oiaohm | Its more when do you apply the fundamental principles. | Nov 15 22:11 |
| MinceR | and why force a half-baked prototype on everyone before you've actually began to sort out the details? | Nov 15 22:11 |
| MinceR | yeah, poettering's "when" is "never" | Nov 15 22:12 |
| oiaohm | No its not never. | Nov 15 22:12 |
| MinceR | they'll abandon the project and start over (per the CADT model) before they'd get there | Nov 15 22:12 |
| MinceR | if they even could | Nov 15 22:12 |
| MinceR | https://www.jwz.org/doc/cadt.html | Nov 15 22:12 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.jwz.org | The CADT Model | Nov 15 22:12 | |
| msb_ | Interesting that at the same time, KDE4/5/Plasma was being turned into a bloated mess, possibly to push people into using systemd-dependent gnome. | Nov 15 22:13 |
| oiaohm | There is a prototype development model in old software enginering that most don't use. | Nov 15 22:13 |
| MinceR | and yet KDE5 officially depends on systemd | Nov 15 22:13 |
| oiaohm | MinceR: check again. | Nov 15 22:13 |
| MinceR | https://soylentnews.org/article.pl?sid=15/02/20/101235 | Nov 15 22:14 |
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| oiaohm | MinceR: KDE5 depends on logind | Nov 15 22:14 |
| MinceR | checked. | Nov 15 22:14 |
| MinceR | and guess what systemd-logind is a part of? | Nov 15 22:14 |
| oiaohm | No | Nov 15 22:14 |
| MinceR | yes | Nov 15 22:14 |
| oiaohm | logind code in KDE 5 is checked against BSD logind as well. | Nov 15 22:14 |
| MinceR | ooh | Nov 15 22:14 |
| MinceR | can i use bsd logind on gnu/linux? | Nov 15 22:14 |
| oiaohm | Unfortantly no. | Nov 15 22:14 |
| MinceR | with a service manager that wasn't hacked up by idiots with delusions of adequacy? | Nov 15 22:15 |
| MinceR | then why bring it up at all? | Nov 15 22:15 |
| oiaohm | why logind is that is required to wayland and x11 can run in usermode without root privilages. | Nov 15 22:15 |
| MinceR | i don't care | Nov 15 22:15 |
| MinceR | stop blowing up the system i'm using | Nov 15 22:15 |
| MinceR | stop trying to force me into using software i don't want | Nov 15 22:15 |
| msb_ | The prototype development model says make a prototype and give it to a few people to test and debug before forcing it on everyone! | Nov 15 22:16 |
| oiaohm | consolekit2 has also implemented the logind interfaces required. | Nov 15 22:16 |
| MinceR | make something worth using and i'll use it | Nov 15 22:16 |
| MinceR | isn't consolekit2 dead? | Nov 15 22:16 |
| MinceR | and yes, waylandows also depends on systemd | Nov 15 22:16 |
| oiaohm | Mincer https://github.com/ConsoleKit2/ConsoleKit2 | Nov 15 22:17 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-github.com | ConsoleKit2/ConsoleKit2 · GitHub | Nov 15 22:17 | |
| oiaohm | ConsoleKit2 is alive and well. | Nov 15 22:17 |
| oiaohm | Its the orginal consolekit that is dead. | Nov 15 22:17 |
| MinceR | also, what msb_ said. | Nov 15 22:18 |
| MinceR | looks like poettering can't even do that model right | Nov 15 22:18 |
| oiaohm | MinceR: logind is older than systemd. logind was one of the first project systemd absorbed. | Nov 15 22:18 |
| MinceR | (even if it meant "implement completely before starting to design at all") | Nov 15 22:18 |
| MinceR | (which it does not) | Nov 15 22:18 |
| MinceR | oiaohm: yay! what difference does it make? | Nov 15 22:18 |
| oiaohm | MinceR: logind interface was properly designed to solve particular problem and bsd, solaris and many others agreed to impelment. logind is all wayland and kde is depending | Nov 15 22:19 |
| MinceR | so why is the implementation broken? | Nov 15 22:19 |
| MinceR | why do we not get the choice of logind with sane init/service manager on gnu/linux? | Nov 15 22:20 |
| oiaohm | consolekit2 with any other init system other than systemd you have logind | Nov 15 22:20 |
| MinceR | why does everything around wayland, gnome and kde have to be oriented around "madhat decides what happens on your computer"? | Nov 15 22:20 |
| MinceR | why do people not realize this is the exact opposite of what free software is about? | Nov 15 22:21 |
| MinceR | only because redcrap is not called "microsoft"? | Nov 15 22:21 |
| oiaohm | msb_: the issue here is before systemd many init systems were tried prototyped even if they were techically better than sysvinit they got no where. So pushing the prototype out on everyone in the process starting to address problems that cannot be fixed in default sysvinit is the starting point. | Nov 15 22:23 |
| oiaohm | MinceR: the use of logind did come from redhat it comes from openbsd. Asking a question how in hell do we run X11 without root privillages because its a secuirty nightmare. | Nov 15 22:24 |
| msb_ | Systemd has 36Megabytes of source code, bigger than 40 fictional novels. Nobody is going to read all the updates _and_ figure out whether it will work right, which that blog post shows is pretty much impossible. So a backdoor can be hidden in the source code enabling the US government to kill nearly all computers using Linux. So when the US govt does another huge false-flag operation, like blowing off a nuke in the US and blaming it | Nov 15 22:25 |
| msb_ | on Russia, the US govt will be able to shut off most of the discussion. | Nov 15 22:25 |
| MinceR | oiaohm: does openbsd use systemd? | Nov 15 22:25 |
| oiaohm | MinceR: no they don't use systemd. But they have their own logind | Nov 15 22:25 |
| MinceR | oiaohm: so, why does logind depend on systemd on gnu/linux? | Nov 15 22:25 |
| oiaohm | MinceR: the logind in consolekit2 does not depend on systemd | Nov 15 22:26 |
| MinceR | wasn't the logind in consolekit2 a version that can do none of the thing that allegedly makes logind useful? | Nov 15 22:26 |
| MinceR | s/ng/ngs/ | Nov 15 22:26 |
| oiaohm | The first prototype of logind was for consolekit but was never merged. Because redhat started developing systemd and killed of the consolekit project. | Nov 15 22:27 |
| MinceR | why does it look more and more like gnu/linux is already hopeless? | Nov 15 22:28 |
| oiaohm | gnu/Linux world has always been like hurding cats. | Nov 15 22:30 |
| MinceR | well, now it isn't | Nov 15 22:31 |
| oiaohm | logind alteration had to happen. | Nov 15 22:31 |
| MinceR | now it's deadrat fucking up and destroying everything | Nov 15 22:31 |
| oiaohm | X11 running with full root prvillages is never been healthy. | Nov 15 22:31 |
| MinceR | neither is systemd. | Nov 15 22:31 |
| oiaohm | Before systemd we have had the X11 hairball. | Nov 15 22:32 |
| oiaohm | And we still have the X11 hairball. | Nov 15 22:32 |
| MinceR | and since we already had a hairball, that means all our software must be replaced with hairballs | Nov 15 22:32 |
| MinceR | http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/InsaneTrollLogic | Nov 15 22:32 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-tvtropes.org | Insane Troll Logic - TV Tropes [ http://ur1.ca/o9w35 ] | Nov 15 22:32 | |
| oiaohm | Remember the objective of wayland is to attempt to clean up the X11 hairball. | Nov 15 22:33 |
| MinceR | it's a pretty shitty attempt | Nov 15 22:33 |
| MinceR | considering that they have already discarded some important functionality of X11 from their target | Nov 15 22:33 |
| MinceR | their motto is "Will Never Work" | Nov 15 22:34 |
| MinceR | "X11 is unclean, so here's a block of wood, have fun playing with it" | Nov 15 22:34 |
| oiaohm | What important functionality | Nov 15 22:34 |
| MinceR | screenshots, color picking from other windows, pointer warping, pointer grabbing, server-side decorations | Nov 15 22:35 |
| oiaohm | A lot of the discarded functionality with wayland never worked. | Nov 15 22:35 |
| MinceR | modularity (as in, the display server and the window manager are not the same program) | Nov 15 22:35 |
| MinceR | i use a lot of the discarded functionality every day | Nov 15 22:35 |
| oiaohm | server-side decorations is in the protocol of wayland these days. | Nov 15 22:35 |
| MinceR | but nice try | Nov 15 22:35 |
| MinceR | yes, only in about 1 of the many implementations | Nov 15 22:35 |
| oiaohm | Remember under X11 server side decorations was optional as well. | Nov 15 22:36 |
| oiaohm | So in that regard wayland has come into alignment with X11. | Nov 15 22:37 |
| MinceR | applications doing their own decorations was rare, special and not entirely usable | Nov 15 22:37 |
| MinceR | hell, even m$ realized this was bad design and tried to hack their way around it in windows xp | Nov 15 22:37 |
| MinceR | but for ratcrap, it's The Way To Go | Nov 15 22:37 |
| MinceR | if people this stupid are in charge of IT, then IT has no future. | Nov 15 22:38 |
| oiaohm | libinput has implemented pointer warping and pointer grabbing these days. | Nov 15 22:38 |
| MinceR | finally | Nov 15 22:38 |
| MinceR | what was all the whining about how those features are evil good for? | Nov 15 22:39 |
| oiaohm | Notice something wayland is using oldschool design model of get every part right before moving on to the next list of features. | Nov 15 22:39 |
| oiaohm | And people complain about that. | Nov 15 22:39 |
| MinceR | doesn't look like they're using that model | Nov 15 22:39 |
| MinceR | they got plenty of parts wrong so far | Nov 15 22:40 |
| MinceR | and they aren't even willing to recognize that | Nov 15 22:40 |
| oiaohm | screenshots and color picking that comes down to secuirty. | Nov 15 22:40 |
| MinceR | how can you improve on a design if you won't admit it's not perfect? | Nov 15 22:40 |
| MinceR | yes, security is the excuse | Nov 15 22:40 |
| MinceR | fact is, it can't replace X11 until it can do those | Nov 15 22:40 |
| oiaohm | wayland does contain methods to screenshots and color picking. | Nov 15 22:40 |
| MinceR | and let's not act like it's impossible to select which clients get to do that | Nov 15 22:41 |
| oiaohm | Security is not exactly excuse | Nov 15 22:41 |
| MinceR | for wayland, it is | Nov 15 22:41 |
| oiaohm | trying todo copy paste secure has been more of a nightmare than screenshots and color picking. | Nov 15 22:41 |
| oiaohm | MinceR: design something secure is not exactly simple or fun. | Nov 15 22:43 |
| MinceR | so? | Nov 15 22:43 |
| oiaohm | Have you ever used X11 with extentions so you have selinux enabled. | Nov 15 22:43 |
| MinceR | probably, as i used fedora 15 for a while | Nov 15 22:44 |
| oiaohm | Its a true sport of how will the applications break today. | Nov 15 22:44 |
| MinceR | and yes, it was broken in weird ways | Nov 15 22:44 |
| oiaohm | Fedora 15 never enabled it. | Nov 15 22:44 |
| oiaohm | by default. | Nov 15 22:44 |
| oiaohm | Screen shot with the wrong applications open hello application taking screenshot terminated. | Nov 15 22:44 |
| MinceR | i thought they enabled selinux by default | Nov 15 22:45 |
| oiaohm | copy paste into wrong application application terminated | Nov 15 22:45 |
| oiaohm | Not in X11 MinceR | Nov 15 22:45 |
| msb_ | GNU/Linux is gradually being ruined by the same gang of organized ultra-wealthy psychopaths that did 9/11 and used it as the pretext to destr0y four nations, murder millions of people, and destabilize Europe with millions of Islamic refugees, some of which are ISIL/Al-Qaeda. http://cosmicpenguin.com/CauseAndCure.html http://cosmicpenguin.com/#911 Too bad that most computer people totally ignore these political realities, because | Nov 15 22:45 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-cosmicpenguin.com | THE CAUSE AND CURE OF HUMANITY'S PROBLEMS | Nov 15 22:45 | |
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| msb_ | they are what's behind the destruction of FOSS. | Nov 15 22:45 |
| oiaohm | Because once you did you started tripping privilage breaches. | Nov 15 22:45 |
| oiaohm | due to X11 design. | Nov 15 22:45 |
| oiaohm | MinceR: basically wayland comes out of attempting to make something that can in fact work with security enabled. | Nov 15 22:46 |
| MinceR | that's an awfully wide definition | Nov 15 22:47 |
| MinceR | you could unplug everything and bury the computer in the sea in a block of concrete and it will be secure | Nov 15 22:48 |
| MinceR | it won't do anything for you, though | Nov 15 22:48 |
| oiaohm | MinceR: exactly the awfully wide definition is why wayland gets bogged down in arguements. | Nov 15 22:48 |
| oiaohm | Like one of the wayland arguements was how to prevent false login screens being presented to users. | Nov 15 22:49 |
| MinceR | isn't that what SAK is for? | Nov 15 22:49 |
| oiaohm | Note what you said about awfully wide definition. | Nov 15 22:50 |
| oiaohm | SAK only works if you have a keyboard/buttons. | Nov 15 22:50 |
| MinceR | the definition would be easier to handle if it specified that whatever X11 could do wayland should be able to do too | Nov 15 22:50 |
| MinceR | right | Nov 15 22:50 |
| MinceR | you could also use a LED that only shows you're getting a trustworthy whatever screen | Nov 15 22:51 |
| MinceR | (login or other) | Nov 15 22:51 |
| MinceR | or you could reserve an area of the screen, but that won't work in all applications either | Nov 15 22:51 |
| oiaohm | You are not thinking the way there were. The arguement was locked if you only had a touch screen. | Nov 15 22:52 |
| oiaohm | Does not take a very bright person to work out that arguement is not solvable. | Nov 15 22:52 |
| oiaohm | Yet it was arguemented in the mailing list for 2 and a half years. | Nov 15 22:53 |
| msb_ | FOSS is seen as a menace by the organized ultra-wealthy psychopaths because it is a revolt among the slaves -- us. It's better than the crap they're selling and we're giving it away free -- sharing it. That's what the US and the other fascist countries have been fighting against during the entire 20th century. http://cosmicpenguin.com/#American_Holocaust | Nov 15 22:53 |
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| MinceR | there was a system that used a bar on the screen to ensure secure logins and the like | Nov 15 22:54 |
| MinceR | they could do that on a touchscreen, but it would be a pain when the user wants to watch movies on full screen | Nov 15 22:54 |
| MinceR | (they can't, in that case) | Nov 15 22:54 |
| oiaohm | You are just getting it all usage cases leaves you screwed. | Nov 15 22:54 |
| MinceR | or i can let the user/integrator/administrator decide | Nov 15 22:55 |
| MinceR | provide tools | Nov 15 22:55 |
| MinceR | mechanism, not policy | Nov 15 22:55 |
| MinceR | like X. | Nov 15 22:55 |
| oiaohm | If wayland was just reimplmenting X11 clean it would be done by now. The fact they have a strong security bent is making it take longer. | Nov 15 22:55 |
| msb_ | FOSS also enables communication among everyone on the planet, which allows us to talk about what the psychopaths are doing to us, and to broadcast that information. That severely bothers the psychopaths. Cockroaches can't stand the light. | Nov 15 22:56 |
| oiaohm | MinceR: issue with security and X11 since x11 is not designed for it putting it in latter lets loss hell. | Nov 15 22:57 |
| MinceR | x11 is still the best at what it's designed to do | Nov 15 22:57 |
| MinceR | by far | Nov 15 22:57 |
| MinceR | next to x11, all other windowing systems look like toys | Nov 15 22:57 |
| oiaohm | I would not say that. | Nov 15 22:58 |
| oiaohm | X11 has been the most compadible beast so it stayed alive even when techically better designs have been around. | Nov 15 22:58 |
| MinceR | which competitor let you replace the window manager on a running session? | Nov 15 22:59 |
| MinceR | which competitor did virtual desktops right? | Nov 15 22:59 |
| MinceR | hell, which competitor let you choose what panels you could use? | Nov 15 22:59 |
| oiaohm | Scary point is NT 3.5 had virtual desktops. | Nov 15 23:00 |
| oiaohm | Then Microsoft decided to kill the feature off. | Nov 15 23:00 |
| MinceR | which competitor let you manage the windows of frozen applications? | Nov 15 23:00 |
| MinceR | (not windows.) | Nov 15 23:00 |
| cubexyz | not windoze :) | Nov 15 23:00 |
| MinceR | also, if NT 3.5 did it like the add-ons i tried then it couldn't have worked too well | Nov 15 23:00 |
| oiaohm | beos allowed frozen application management. | Nov 15 23:00 |
| MinceR | there were plenty of unmanageable windows you couldn't get rid of | Nov 15 23:01 |
| MinceR | they were effectively present on all desktops | Nov 15 23:01 |
| oiaohm | Even os/2 allows frozen application management. | Nov 15 23:01 |
| oiaohm | but NT/ Windows did not for some reason. | Nov 15 23:01 |
| cubexyz | how about VMS? | Nov 15 23:02 |
| MinceR | the reason is that the events necessary for window management go to the event loop of the window | Nov 15 23:02 |
| MinceR | which has to run in the application | Nov 15 23:02 |
| MinceR | if the application is frozen, the event loop is frozen | Nov 15 23:02 |
| oiaohm | cubexyz: VMS is X11 | Nov 15 23:02 |
| oiaohm | That is right resizing the output. | Nov 15 23:03 |
| msb_ | Why were all the major assassinations -- John Kennedy, Robert Kennedy, Martin Luther King, John Lennon -- people who were working to free the slaves? Do you think that was just a coincidence? Why were all the researchers who investigated those assassinations smeared by the corporate media -- which are owned by the ultra-wealthy psychopaths -- as "conspiracy theorists"? | Nov 15 23:04 |
| cubexyz | oiaohm, are people still using VMS? | Nov 15 23:09 |
| oiaohm | msb_: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_assassinations more interesting to read this list and see what ones don't get the news. | Nov 15 23:09 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-en.wikipedia.org | List of assassinations - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia [ http://ur1.ca/o9w5p ] | Nov 15 23:09 | |
| oiaohm | msb_: the USA has to be one of the most likely places to end up mixed up with an assassination. | Nov 15 23:10 |
| oiaohm | cubexyz: http://www8.hp.com/au/en/products/servers/openvms/overview.html HP would have you believe so. | Nov 15 23:11 |
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| MinceR | wouldn't hp rather sell you a windows "server"? | Nov 15 23:18 |
| cubexyz | I thought Itanium died | Nov 15 23:19 |
| MinceR | it's pining for the fjords. | Nov 15 23:19 |
| cubexyz | don't have a clue what HP is up to these days | Nov 15 23:19 |
| cubexyz | oiaohm, did you know that the source code of NT 4.0 was leaked? | Nov 15 23:21 |
| cubexyz | I think there's even people building it | Nov 15 23:21 |
| cubexyz | http://www.maxhost.org/other/nt-os2.png | Nov 15 23:41 |
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| cubexyz | a pity all modern OSes are so complex | Nov 15 23:45 |
| MinceR | according to deadrat propaganda, "modern" implies complex | Nov 15 23:46 |
| MinceR | if it's not too complex to work, it's not "modern" | Nov 15 23:47 |
| schestowitz | complex means you need red hat support | Nov 15 23:56 |
| schestowitz | so you buy licensed red hat | Nov 15 23:57 |
| schestowitz | and you get access to their devs | Nov 15 23:57 |
| schestowitz | for features, support etc. | Nov 15 23:57 |
| schestowitz | and there's no way to swap broken bits | Nov 15 23:57 |
| schestowitz | to solve issues | Nov 15 23:57 |
| schestowitz | because it's just redhat's way (systemd) or the bsd way | Nov 15 23:57 |
| schestowitz | that is at least how i typically view it | Nov 15 23:57 |
| schestowitz | gives them leverage over support contracts, which is how they make money | Nov 15 23:58 |
| schestowitz | advantage over canonical/ubuntu/debian right there | Nov 15 23:58 |
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| schestowitz | calling it "free software" is a convenient way to get kdbus etc. into the core | Nov 15 23:58 |
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| oiaohm | cubexyz: Windows 2000 and NT source code leaked. | Nov 15 23:59 |
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| MinceR | and it's useless | Nov 16 00:03 |
| MinceR | and crap | Nov 16 00:03 |
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| cubexyz | I don't use Fedora much any more | Nov 16 00:07 |
| cubexyz | old Fedora like FC1 yes, I still use that | Nov 16 00:08 |
| cubexyz | one only has software freedom if they have the source code, that much is certain | Nov 16 00:10 |
| oiaohm | Its not just having the source code. | Nov 16 00:11 |
| cubexyz | but I've warned people not to get too lazy or too dependent on any one distro | Nov 16 00:11 |
| oiaohm | You do need the right to rebuild the source code as well. | Nov 16 00:11 |
| cubexyz | yes that is true | Nov 16 00:11 |
| oiaohm | now there are devices out there with full source code yet even you rebuild the source code you cannot install it because you don't have the signing key. | Nov 16 00:12 |
| oiaohm | source code is a good starting point. | Nov 16 00:12 |
| cubexyz | just remove the bits that check for the key :) | Nov 16 00:12 |
| oiaohm | cubexyz: not possible some micro processors only take correctly signed firmwares. | Nov 16 00:13 |
| cubexyz | that's why having firmware source code is so liberating | Nov 16 00:13 |
| oiaohm | And if the signed firmwares demard signed OS you are kinda screwed. | Nov 16 00:13 |
| cubexyz | the source code can't defend itself | Nov 16 00:14 |
| cubexyz | one can modify it | Nov 16 00:14 |
| oiaohm | But the hardware can. | Nov 16 00:14 |
| oiaohm | Its like current day nvidia video cards. | Nov 16 00:15 |
| oiaohm | Yes you can access the source code of the firmware but the hardware only accepts signed. | Nov 16 00:15 |
| cubexyz | what hardware is this? | Nov 16 00:16 |
| oiaohm | Particular arm cpu's. current generation Nvidia GPU,s and the list goes on. | Nov 16 00:17 |
| oiaohm | Older Nvidia gpus you could build the firmware for the GPU from source and use it. | Nov 16 00:18 |
| cubexyz | that really does sound like the war on general computing | Nov 16 00:19 |
| MinceR | thus ends the age of the general-purpose computer | Nov 16 00:19 |
| cubexyz | well, it does end it... but it makes me very wary to be sure | Nov 16 00:19 |
| cubexyz | s/does/doesn't/ | Nov 16 00:19 |
| cubexyz | after all, all the pre-locked down hardware still exists | Nov 16 00:20 |
| oiaohm | http://www.slideshare.net/codeblue_jp/igor-skochinsky-enpub This is extreamly fun. | Nov 16 00:20 |
| cubexyz | stuff like this makes me want to buy a microvax or something | Nov 16 00:20 |
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| oiaohm | Most people are not aware the ME chip can in fact delete all connected harddrives. | Nov 16 00:21 |
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| cubexyz | oiaohm, when did ME first appear? | Nov 16 00:23 |
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| cubexyz | and I assume there's a way to turn it off | Nov 16 00:24 |
| oiaohm | No ME chip no computer boot. | Nov 16 00:25 |
| MinceR | makes me glad there's no ME in the raspberry pi :> | Nov 16 00:25 |
| oiaohm | ME chip appears when we get Processor chips needing microcode to work. | Nov 16 00:25 |
| cubexyz | ok, let me put this another way... | Nov 16 00:27 |
| oiaohm | Chromium Embedded Controller (EC) Development is what google uses instead of Intel ME. | Nov 16 00:27 |
| cubexyz | how far back does one need to go to avoid Intel ME chip? | Nov 16 00:27 |
| cubexyz | P4? P3? Pentium Pro? | Nov 16 00:28 |
| oiaohm | ME chip starts as a power management chip doing acpi. | Nov 16 00:28 |
| cubexyz | or would you recommend switching to AMD as an alternative? | Nov 16 00:28 |
| MinceR | the slideshow says the ME was originally on the network card | Nov 16 00:29 |
| oiaohm | MinceR: that is correct. acpi 1996 is when it appears as part of motherboards. | Nov 16 00:31 |
| cubexyz | ok, I have one chromebook | Nov 16 00:31 |
| cubexyz | at least the google people are working with the coreboot people, that's something | Nov 16 00:32 |
| MinceR | looks like the rpi2 is easily more powerful than the last intel cpu you could use without an ME | Nov 16 00:32 |
| MinceR | i wonder what's up on the AMD side, though | Nov 16 00:32 |
| oiaohm | ME/EC/something. | Nov 16 00:32 |
| oiaohm | I cannot remember what AMD one is called. | Nov 16 00:33 |
| cubexyz | there's that DASH thing | Nov 16 00:33 |
| cubexyz | AMD has a version of it | Nov 16 00:33 |
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| cubexyz | what exactly is the ME chip? | Nov 16 00:34 |
| cubexyz | is it inside the CPU? | Nov 16 00:34 |
| MinceR | well, the slideshow says it was part of stuff that became the northbridge | Nov 16 00:35 |
| MinceR | and apparently cpus with integrated gpus tend to have all the northbridge functionality built-in | Nov 16 00:35 |
| MinceR | but i don't really know | Nov 16 00:36 |
| MinceR | actually it says it was moved to PCH and then MCH | Nov 16 00:37 |
| MinceR | https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Platform_Controller_Hub | Nov 16 00:37 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-en.wikipedia.org | Platform Controller Hub - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia | Nov 16 00:37 | |
| MinceR | this looks like it _might_ be outside the cpu | Nov 16 00:37 |
| cubexyz | the thing is, I remember that older motherboards didn't even have ACPI... they had APM I think | Nov 16 00:37 |
| MinceR | and there were mainboards before APM even existed :> | Nov 16 00:38 |
| cubexyz | I assume if one has a computer with APM then they don't have the Intel ME stuff | Nov 16 00:38 |
| oiaohm | cubexyz: ME chip is a physical chip on the motherboard outside the CPU | Nov 16 00:38 |
| MinceR | and then wikipedia redirects from MCH to northbridge | Nov 16 00:38 |
| cubexyz | confusing | Nov 16 00:38 |
| MinceR | indeed | Nov 16 00:38 |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Sunday Debate: How Can Android Wear Capture the | Nov 16 00:38 |
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| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Twitter Highlights on Android is the best | Nov 16 00:38 |
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| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines What Phones Did You Have Before Android? Did | Nov 16 00:39 |
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| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines BlackBerry rolls out Priv emulator for Android | Nov 16 00:39 |
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| oiaohm | MinceR: Its not in the Platform Controller Hub | Nov 16 00:39 |
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| oiaohm | MinceR: remember CE by google in chromebooks is used to replace the ME chip with code Google trusts. | Nov 16 00:39 |
| MinceR | then slide 4 is wrong :> | Nov 16 00:39 |
| MinceR | ic | Nov 16 00:40 |
| MinceR | and what sort of nastiness does google's version contain? | Nov 16 00:40 |
| cubexyz | I think even the zaurus had acpi | Nov 16 00:40 |
| oiaohm | MinceR: google gives you the complete source code. | Nov 16 00:41 |
| cubexyz | EC code is in coreboot | Nov 16 00:41 |
| cubexyz | you need that for any laptop (I think) | Nov 16 00:41 |
| oiaohm | https://www.chromium.org/chromium-os/ec-development | Nov 16 00:43 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.chromium.org | Chromium Embedded Controller (EC) Development - The Chromium Projects | Nov 16 00:43 | |
| oiaohm | cubexyz: EC code for chromebooks is hosted in github. | Nov 16 00:43 |
| oiaohm | As well as googles own storage. | Nov 16 00:43 |
| oiaohm | cubexyz: issue here is intel ME is signed these days. | Nov 16 00:44 |
| oiaohm | So you cannot use your own but have to use intel own made versions. | Nov 16 00:44 |
| oiaohm | The result due to bugs in intel own ME code was google made EC | Nov 16 00:45 |
| oiaohm | MinceR: google version stock does not contain the nasties Intel ME code does. Like Google EC no build in anti-theif tech to trigger system todo nasty things to itself. | Nov 16 00:47 |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Best 2015 smartphones that run stock or | Nov 16 00:49 |
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| oiaohm | MinceR: google with their EC and firmware uses physical hardware read only switch methods as protection instead of signing. | Nov 16 00:52 |
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| MinceR | nice | Nov 16 00:52 |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Wow, this Android phone is stupid cheap | Nov 16 00:52 |
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| oiaohm | MinceR: so people with direct access to hardware and a tollerance to do phsysical modification can run their own versions. | Nov 16 00:52 |
| cubexyz | yes, we can build are own firmware | Nov 16 00:52 |
| cubexyz | s/are/our/ | Nov 16 00:53 |
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| MinceR | so i can use the last thinkpad x-series with legacy boot until chromebooks exceed it in power :> | Nov 16 00:53 |
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| oiaohm | The problem I have is signed firmware is to allow vendor to update the firmware securely without requiring user todo anything. | Nov 16 00:55 |
| oiaohm | but its like all things who holds the keys decides how safe you are. | Nov 16 00:55 |
| oiaohm | Personally I believe any hardware you own. You should have the means to replace signing keys with your own keys if you wish of course hardware maker should have right to void warnatiy if you do. | Nov 16 00:57 |
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| cubexyz | know know oiaohm, one thing I found interesting was the short gap of time between windows 2000 and windows xp | Nov 16 02:47 |
| cubexyz | win2k was released in dec 1999 | Nov 16 02:47 |
| cubexyz | winxp was oct 2001 | Nov 16 02:47 |
| cubexyz | not even 2 years later | Nov 16 02:48 |
| cubexyz | then 5 years later Visa comes out | Nov 16 02:48 |
| cubexyz | I stopped using windows a long time ago... around 2003 | Nov 16 03:03 |
| cubexyz | one thing I've noticed is that it's become a rather heavy OS | Nov 16 03:04 |
| cubexyz | always bogged down with anti-virus and whatever svchost.exe does | Nov 16 03:07 |
| MinceR | https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Svchost.exe | Nov 16 03:09 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-en.wikipedia.org | svchost.exe - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia | Nov 16 03:09 | |
| MinceR | yet another in a long series of braindead hacks to work around design flaws | Nov 16 03:09 |
| cubexyz | did NT 4.0 have svchost.exe? | Nov 16 03:10 |
| MinceR | svchost process was introduced in Windows 2000,[5] although the underlying support for shared service processes has existed since Windows NT 3.1.[2] | Nov 16 03:10 |
| MinceR | s/^/The/ | Nov 16 03:10 |
| cubexyz | ok, so no | Nov 16 03:10 |
| MinceR | i really hate programs that decide that doubleclick-drag select starts in a different position when you're not looking | Nov 16 03:10 |
| MinceR | i can't fathom what this braindead behavior is possibly useful for, other than screwing with the user | Nov 16 03:11 |
| cubexyz | what are you trying to do? | Nov 16 03:11 |
| MinceR | i tried to copy that sentence from iceweasel, including "The " | Nov 16 03:11 |
| MinceR | and when i was selecting the end of the sentence, it decided it will leave "The" out of the selection because fuck me | Nov 16 03:12 |
| MinceR | and it can't even be reproduced reliably | Nov 16 03:12 |
| MinceR | what a load of shit | Nov 16 03:12 |
| cubexyz | sometimes clipboarding from the text console can be problematic | Nov 16 03:13 |
| cubexyz | e.g. from within vim | Nov 16 03:13 |
| MinceR | i pretty much only use the text console for troubleshooting | Nov 16 03:14 |
| cubexyz | I don't think firefox has a clipboarding problem though | Nov 16 03:14 |
| MinceR | and in the future, probably for logging in, startx and maybe vlock | Nov 16 03:14 |
| cubexyz | the odd thing is when I'm sshing into another system and then using vim clipboarding works | Nov 16 03:15 |
| cubexyz | it's only when I'm trying to use the local system that it's a bit awkward | Nov 16 03:15 |
| MinceR | what is the symptom you experience? | Nov 16 03:17 |
| cubexyz | it's a very minor quibble really | Nov 16 03:18 |
| cubexyz | when I'm in X, I have a habit of highlighting then right-clicking then copy | Nov 16 03:18 |
| cubexyz | but really I don't need to | Nov 16 03:19 |
| cubexyz | so it's just that in vim the process feels different | Nov 16 03:19 |
| MinceR | does it have mouse support? | Nov 16 03:19 |
| cubexyz | there's no drag of the lighted area in vim | Nov 16 03:19 |
| cubexyz | it just lights up at the end... it's just a minor difference | Nov 16 03:20 |
| cubexyz | MinceR, yes | Nov 16 03:20 |
| MinceR | maybe that's what's interfering | Nov 16 03:21 |
| MinceR | have you tried holding shift while you do the whole selection thing? | Nov 16 03:21 |
| cubexyz | the copy part is really superfluous | Nov 16 03:21 |
| cubexyz | no, it _works_ it just felt different :) | Nov 16 03:21 |
| MinceR | :) | Nov 16 03:22 |
| MinceR | i think the right click thing was meant to be used with a left click to set the other end of the region | Nov 16 03:22 |
| cubexyz | the thing is the gradually hilight works as expected when I'm sshing into another computer so the local vim highlighting feels different | Nov 16 03:23 |
| cubexyz | it's a subtle thing | Nov 16 03:23 |
| cubexyz | e.g. cursor is at end of line, hold down left-mouse button drag... | Nov 16 03:24 |
| cubexyz | it's instanta-highlighted at the end of the process | Nov 16 03:24 |
| cubexyz | not gradual... how is that for picky? :) | Nov 16 03:24 |
| cubexyz | probaby why windows users don't like Linux, it's different enough to bug them | Nov 16 03:25 |
| cubexyz | one customer is completely awed by my use of the command line | Nov 16 03:25 |
| cubexyz | it's like the 4th dimension to him or something | Nov 16 03:26 |
| cubexyz | he's like... to you think I could learn the command line? | Nov 16 03:26 |
| cubexyz | s/to/do/ | Nov 16 03:26 |
| cubexyz | I live at the command line a lot, but I can see that's atypical | Nov 16 03:27 |
| cubexyz | and once I showed them BIOS source code... it was too much for them to handle | Nov 16 03:28 |
| cubexyz | I think one really does develop stronger mental abilities when using Linux/BSD compared to dumbed-down windows and mac | Nov 16 03:30 |
| cubexyz | ok, here is why I am on the console so much: | Nov 16 03:31 |
| cubexyz | http://www.maxhost.org/other/konsole-command-central.png | Nov 16 03:31 |
| cubexyz | I'm controlling a bunch of computers via ssh | Nov 16 03:32 |
| cubexyz | I got q4os for trinity, openbsd for bsd, server for old fedora, and vector for vector linux | Nov 16 03:33 |
| cubexyz | acer is another laptop for extra storage | Nov 16 03:33 |
| MinceR | or one needs to stop being afraid of technology and start being willing to learn | Nov 16 03:34 |
| cubexyz | I fixed my first microwave oven this year :) | Nov 16 03:34 |
| MinceR | people use their most complex, most powerful machinery and expect to do so without learning anything about how to use it whatsoever | Nov 16 03:34 |
| cubexyz | right | Nov 16 03:35 |
| cubexyz | just like we are lacking in botanical knowledge since we often buy processed food | Nov 16 03:42 |
| cubexyz | or even worse, fast food | Nov 16 03:42 |
| MinceR | dunno, my food is pretty slow when it's on my plate :> | Nov 16 03:42 |
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| oiaohm | cubexyz reason for the short gap between 2000 and XP is the fact windows ME was not meant to exist and it was the compadiblity system on 2000 that required a rework. XP contains the reworked version. | Nov 16 04:38 |
| oiaohm | cubexyz: if you want short development Windows ME goes from no existing product to shelfs to on sale in 8 months kinda explains why it was such a lemon. | Nov 16 04:42 |
| cubexyz | what was the idea behind windows me? It seemed useless | Nov 16 04:52 |
| cubexyz | why bother with ME at all when one could just use win2k? | Nov 16 04:57 |
| cubexyz | I guess it was sort of a stop gap between win2k and xp | Nov 16 04:59 |
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| oiaohm | cubexyz: Windows ME was attempted stop gap. Windows 2000 was meant to be able to run everything. Problem is lot of old 95-98 programs would not run under 2000. So not to loss market ME was made. | Nov 16 06:23 |
| oiaohm | cubexyz: really Microsoft should have just made Windows SE with a few more seviece packs until XP release. | Nov 16 06:24 |
| oiaohm | ie SE Windows 98 second edition. | Nov 16 06:24 |
| oiaohm | What broke ME was attempting to take features from 2000 and have them run on a 9x system. | Nov 16 06:25 |
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| TweetTuxMachines | Beta, Based on Linux Kernel 4.1 LTS | Nov 16 09:31 |
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| TweetTuxMachines | ........................................ http://ur1.ca/o9xus | Nov 16 09:31 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-news.softpedia.com | 4MLinux 15.0 GNU/Linux Distribution Is Now in Beta, Based on Linux Kernel 4.1 LTS - Softpedia | Nov 16 09:31 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines KDE Plasma 5.4.3, KDE Apps 15.08.3 and KDE | Nov 16 09:32 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Frameworks 5.16.0 Are Now in Chakra GNU/Linux | Nov 16 09:32 |
| TweetTuxMachines | https://t.co/LTML7krUGE (linux.softpedia.com) | Nov 16 09:32 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-linux.softpedia.com | KDE Plasma 5.4.3, KDE Apps 15.08.3 and KDE Frameworks 5.16.0 Are Now in Chakra GNU/Linux - Softpedia | Nov 16 09:32 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Chapeau 23 Beta is here https://t.co/n57u43Xcss | Nov 16 09:32 |
| TweetTuxMachines | (chapeaulinux.org) "built from Fedora | Nov 16 09:32 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Workstation 23" | Nov 16 09:32 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-chapeaulinux.org | Chapeau 23 Beta is here | Chapeau | Nov 16 09:32 | |
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| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Birds Linux 6.0 Is a Distro for Students | Nov 16 10:20 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Featuring KDE Plasma 5.4.3 | Nov 16 10:20 |
| TweetTuxMachines | https://t.co/BDGkVD9b2N (linux.softpedia.com) | Nov 16 10:20 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-linux.softpedia.com | Birds Linux 6.0 Is a Distro for Students Featuring KDE Plasma 5.4.3 - Softpedia | Nov 16 10:20 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Vendetta Online 3D Space Combat MMO Game to | Nov 16 10:20 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Feature Next-Gen Oculus Rift Support | Nov 16 10:20 |
| TweetTuxMachines | https://t.co/7kZFBUVgBt (news.softpedia.com) | Nov 16 10:20 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-news.softpedia.com | Vendetta Online 3D Space Combat MMO Game to Feature Next-Gen Oculus Rift Support - Softpedia | Nov 16 10:20 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Ubuntu Team Needs a Cat to Replicate Important | Nov 16 10:21 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Bug https://t.co/UIZCfjIets | Nov 16 10:21 |
| TweetTuxMachines | (news.softpedia.com) | Nov 16 10:21 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-news.softpedia.com | Ubuntu Team Needs a Cat to Replicate Important Bug - Softpedia | Nov 16 10:21 | |
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| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Leaping in a new direction with openSUSE 42.1 | Nov 16 11:44 |
| TweetTuxMachines | https://t.co/tsLiRoBor7 (www.tuxmachines.org) | Nov 16 11:44 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Leaping in a new direction with openSUSE 42.1 | Tux Machines | Nov 16 11:44 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines New in Slackware https://t.co/A8oHmhBdOH | Nov 16 11:44 |
| TweetTuxMachines | (www.tuxmachines.org) | Nov 16 11:44 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | New in Slackware | Tux Machines | Nov 16 11:44 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Voice of the Masses: Are rolling releases the | Nov 16 11:44 |
| TweetTuxMachines | future of distros? https://t.co/NozW6hVZm4 | Nov 16 11:44 |
| TweetTuxMachines | (www.linuxvoice.com) | Nov 16 11:44 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.linuxvoice.com | Voice of the Masses: Are rolling releases the future of distros? | Linux Voice | Nov 16 11:44 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines The great game of open source hide and seek | Nov 16 11:45 |
| TweetTuxMachines | https://t.co/fWwdlWVhrm (www.tuxmachines.org) | Nov 16 11:45 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | The great game of open source hide and seek | Tux Machines | Nov 16 11:45 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Red Hat News https://t.co/GOfuVp7rF0 | Nov 16 11:45 |
| TweetTuxMachines | (www.tuxmachines.org) | Nov 16 11:45 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Red Hat News | Tux Machines | Nov 16 11:45 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines today's howtos https://t.co/yL8eHx5gth | Nov 16 11:45 |
| TweetTuxMachines | (www.tuxmachines.org) | Nov 16 11:45 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | today's howtos | Tux Machines | Nov 16 11:45 | |
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| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines New Releases https://t.co/plFgNGDvHz | Nov 16 12:54 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | New Releases | Tux Machines | Nov 16 12:54 | |
| *TweetTuxMachines @softpedialinux favourited 'GNOME's Nautilus File Manager Now Shows SD Cards...' | Nov 16 12:54 | |
| *TweetTuxMachines @softpedialinux favourited '4MLinux 15.0 GNU/Linux Distribution is Now in Beta,...' | Nov 16 12:54 | |
| *TweetTuxMachines @softpedialinux favourited 'KDE Plasma 5.4.3, KDE Apps 15.08.3 and KDE...' | Nov 16 12:54 | |
| *TweetTuxMachines @softpedialinux favourited 'Birds Linux 6.0 Is a Distro for Students...' | Nov 16 12:54 | |
| *TweetTuxMachines @softpedialinux favourited 'Vendetta Online 3D Space Combat MMO Game to...' | Nov 16 12:55 | |
| *TweetTuxMachines @softpedialinux favourited 'Ubuntu Team Needs a Cat to Replicate Important...' | Nov 16 13:09 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines CHIP is the cheaper competitor to the Rasberry | Nov 16 13:09 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Pi https://t.co/VFjdd0Eil5 (www.chris-shaw.com) | Nov 16 13:09 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-SSL connect error ( status 0 @ https://www.chris-shaw.com/b/CHIP-is-the-cheaper-competitor-to-the-Rasberry-Pi ) | Nov 16 13:09 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Leftovers: Software https://t.co/C6lxgU9iZ0 | Nov 16 14:32 |
| TweetTuxMachines | (www.tuxmachines.org) | Nov 16 14:32 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Leftovers: Software | Tux Machines | Nov 16 14:32 | |
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| *Now talking on #techrights | Nov 16 18:15 | |
| *Topic for #techrights is: TechRights.org | Channel #techrights for http://TechRights.org :: please also join channels #boycottnovell-social #techbytes and #boycottnovell | Nov 16 18:15 | |
| *Topic for #techrights set by schestowitz!~schestowi@unaffiliated/schestowitz at Sat Jun 9 18:16:19 2012 | Nov 16 18:15 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Age Of Fear: The Undead King & Age Of Fear 2: | Nov 16 18:32 |
| TweetTuxMachines | The Chaos Lord Now On SteamOS & Linux | Nov 16 18:32 |
| TweetTuxMachines | https://t.co/6iAkd7HFdn (www.gamingonlinux.com) | Nov 16 18:32 |
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| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Linux Mint 17.3 beta is out, but no | Nov 16 18:32 |
| TweetTuxMachines | announcement in the site yet. | Nov 16 18:32 |
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| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Screenlocker integration in KWin Wayland | Nov 16 18:32 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.gamingonlinux.com | Age Of Fear: The Undead King & Age Of Fear 2: The Chaos Lord Now On SteamOS & Linux | GamingOnLinux | Nov 16 18:32 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | https://t.co/C3aIxXQal2 (bhush9.github.io) | Nov 16 18:32 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-bhush9.github.io | Screenlocker integration in KWin Wayland | Nov 16 18:32 | |
| r_schestowitz | https://twitter.com/agente_smithe/status/666322532556013568 | Nov 16 18:33 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@agente_smithe: @schestowitz Oh, boy, and I thought it was more things related to Paris attacks... ;-D | Nov 16 18:33 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines StarBreak, A Co-op Roguelike MMO Action | Nov 16 18:39 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Platformer Coming To Linux | Nov 16 18:39 |
| TweetTuxMachines | https://t.co/RBqYr1qZnc (www.gamingonlinux.com) | Nov 16 18:39 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.gamingonlinux.com | StarBreak, A Co-op Roguelike MMO Action Platformer Coming To Linux | GamingOnLinux | Nov 16 18:39 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines FortressCraft Evolved Exits Early Access, | Nov 16 18:39 |
| TweetTuxMachines | SteamOS & Linux Now Fully Supported, But Buggy | Nov 16 18:39 |
| TweetTuxMachines | https://t.co/rJFeqnPvDZ (www.gamingonlinux.com) | Nov 16 18:39 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.gamingonlinux.com | FortressCraft Evolved Exits Early Access, SteamOS & Linux Now Fully Supported, But Buggy | GamingOnLinux | Nov 16 18:39 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines My mom requests a Linux computer | Nov 16 18:39 |
| TweetTuxMachines | https://t.co/Wql2LGHgKr (opensource.com) | Nov 16 18:39 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-opensource.com | My Linux Story: David Both's mother | Opensource.com | Nov 16 18:39 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines "This malware relies on a security hole in the | Nov 16 18:53 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Magento web e-commerce platform, not Linux." | Nov 16 18:53 |
| TweetTuxMachines | https://t.co/v4Vrv5miRl (www.zdnet.com) | Nov 16 18:53 |
| TweetTuxMachines | exactly! | Nov 16 18:53 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.zdnet.com | How to easily defeat Linux Encoder ransomware | ZDNet | Nov 16 18:53 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Rancher Corrals Docker Containers | Nov 16 18:53 |
| TweetTuxMachines | https://t.co/P2y9GZbo15 (www.serverwatch.com) | Nov 16 18:53 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.serverwatch.com | Rancher Corrals Docker Containers | Nov 16 18:53 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Minibian "Jessie" Is a Small and Powerful OS | Nov 16 18:53 |
| TweetTuxMachines | for All Existing Raspberry Pi Versions | Nov 16 18:53 |
| TweetTuxMachines | https://t.co/h7qsFT5u8z (news.softpedia.com) | Nov 16 18:53 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-news.softpedia.com | Minibian "Jessie" Is a Small and Powerful OS for All Existing Raspberry Pi Versions - Softpedia | Nov 16 18:53 | |
| *TweetTuxMachines @CrunchyGames retweeted @tuxmachines: 'StarBreak, A Co-op Roguelike MMO Action Platformer Coming...' | Nov 16 18:53 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines My mom requests a Linux computer | Nov 16 18:54 |
| TweetTuxMachines | https://t.co/bDOEOfuUI5 (www.tuxmachines.org) | Nov 16 18:54 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | My mom requests a Linux computer | Tux Machines | Nov 16 18:54 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines How to easily defeat Linux Encoder ransomware | Nov 16 18:54 |
| TweetTuxMachines | https://t.co/URYdHHkjOn (www.tuxmachines.org) | Nov 16 18:54 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | How to easily defeat Linux Encoder ransomware | Tux Machines | Nov 16 18:54 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Linux: Kernel, Foundation/OpenHPC | Nov 16 18:54 |
| TweetTuxMachines | https://t.co/8xobgQjP5M (www.tuxmachines.org) | Nov 16 18:54 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Linux: Kernel, Foundation/OpenHPC | Tux Machines | Nov 16 18:54 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Minibian "Jessie" Is a Small and Powerful OS | Nov 16 18:55 |
| TweetTuxMachines | for All Existing Raspberry Pi Versions | Nov 16 18:55 |
| TweetTuxMachines | https://t.co/ASjvj76jQJ (www.tuxmachines.org) | Nov 16 18:55 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Minibian "Jessie" Is a Small and Powerful OS for All Existing Raspberry Pi Versions | Tux Machines | Nov 16 18:55 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Distros News https://t.co/RFmAW1paJK | Nov 16 18:55 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Distros News | Tux Machines | Nov 16 18:55 | |
| *TweetTuxMachines @softpedialinux favourited 'Minibian "Jessie" Is a Small and Powerful OS...' | Nov 16 19:34 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Valve Brings Open Source Steam Machine Gaming | Nov 16 19:34 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Consoles to Market https://t.co/cMh3UBLtFN | Nov 16 19:34 |
| TweetTuxMachines | (thevarguy.com) | Nov 16 19:34 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-thevarguy.com | Valve Brings Open Source Steam Machine Gaming Consoles to Market | Open Source Application Software Companies content from The VAR Guy | Nov 16 19:34 | |
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| r_schestowitz | https://twitter.com/retroDoomer/status/666332379473055744 | Nov 16 19:42 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@retroDoomer: @schestowitz err.... Pardon? Seriously? | Nov 16 19:42 | |
| r_schestowitz | Doesn't bode well with the patent agreement | Nov 16 19:42 |
| r_schestowitz | https://twitter.com/retroDoomer/status/666333406834245632 | Nov 16 19:43 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@retroDoomer: @golbigboss another one, along with Origin PC. https://t.co/jIH4A2rwhq | Nov 16 19:43 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz: Is the #fud against #steamos working? https://t.co/W5lqZBnkLc https://t.co/HCwN5pwkxY | Nov 16 19:43 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Top Challenges for Desktop Linux | Nov 16 19:43 |
| TweetTuxMachines | https://t.co/pEKCMUrgry (www.datamation.com) | Nov 16 19:43 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.datamation.com | Top Challenges for Desktop Linux - Datamation | Nov 16 19:43 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines My Thoughts On SteamOS After Some Time With It | Nov 16 19:43 |
| TweetTuxMachines | https://t.co/q5mRpC9Qsk (www.gamingonlinux.com) | Nov 16 19:43 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.gamingonlinux.com | My Thoughts On SteamOS After Some Time With It | GamingOnLinux | Nov 16 19:43 | |
| r_schestowitz | https://joindiaspora.com/posts/6822150 | Nov 16 20:29 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: "Palm oil and paper pulp companies illegally set fire to forests to clear land" http://phys.org/news/2015-11-vast-forest-indonesia-spawn-ecological.html #indonesia (and S.E.A.) meets #capitalism | Nov 16 20:29 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights--> phys.org | Vast forest fires in Indonesia spawn ecological disaster [ http://ur1.ca/oa05a ] | Nov 16 20:29 | |
| *TweetTuxMachines @kohyunu favourited 'StarBreak, A Co-op Roguelike MMO Action Platformer Coming...' | Nov 16 20:31 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Links 16/11/2015: Linux 4.4 RC1, DockerConEU | Nov 16 20:31 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Links 16/11/2015: Linux 4.4 RC1, DockerConEU | Techrights | Nov 16 20:31 | |
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| r_schestowitz | https://twitter.com/retroDoomer/status/666365500159455232 | Nov 16 21:23 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@retroDoomer: @schestowitz not at all. | Nov 16 21:23 | |
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| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Links 16/11/2015: Linux 4.4 RC1, DockerConEU | Nov 16 21:37 |
| TweetTuxMachines | retweeted by https://t.co/9Zbx34Ob4b (techrights.org) | Nov 16 21:37 |
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| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines CoreOS and Docker https://t.co/HFXBtPvaqO | Nov 16 21:37 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | CoreOS and Docker | Tux Machines | Nov 16 21:37 | |
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| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Leftovers: OSS https://t.co/m0j1Ro20BM | Nov 16 21:55 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Leftovers: OSS | Tux Machines | Nov 16 21:55 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Leftovers: Gaming https://t.co/cf4M5ieSEx | Nov 16 21:55 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Leftovers: Gaming | Tux Machines | Nov 16 21:55 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines today's leftovers https://t.co/pHfvh1gXGK | Nov 16 21:55 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | today's leftovers | Tux Machines | Nov 16 21:55 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines TPP Harmful To Open Source | Nov 16 21:56 |
| TweetTuxMachines | https://t.co/5KYuYiIjDf (www.tuxmachines.org) | Nov 16 21:56 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | TPP Harmful To Open Source | Tux Machines | Nov 16 21:56 | |
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| amarsh04 | just an observation - if you are regularly building Linus' git head kernels for better support of new hardware, try to also test the kernels with the oldest hardware that you are running. Sometimes old things that worked break with new releases and the sooner that the problem is reported, the less broken code remains | Nov 16 22:09 |
| schestowitz | Still waiting for answers from Red Hat http://techrights.org/2015/11/16/microsoft-and-redhat-deal/ | Nov 16 22:12 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Red Hat-Microsoft Deal Increasingly Resembles Novell-Microsoft Deal (Including Patent Aspects) | Techrights [ http://ur1.ca/oa0l9 ] | Nov 16 22:12 | |
| schestowitz | Jan: "Funny thing is I don't remember you being that fanatic about the Novell or Canonical deal with Microsoft." | Nov 16 22:33 |
| schestowitz | I did write about it critically, but there was no patent aspect involved. The patent aspect is the main contention point. | Nov 16 22:33 |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/drtocqueville/status/666384735975927809 | Nov 16 22:49 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@drtocqueville: @rj_gallagher @schestowitz https://t.co/pSZDlAATWw | Nov 16 22:49 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@drtocqueville: @rj_gallagher @schestowitz https://t.co/pSZDlAATWw | Nov 16 22:49 | |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/nedlyx/status/666385403113525248 | Nov 16 22:49 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@nedlyx: A Y F K M ? thanks I won't expect any thanks in return! https://t.co/02vj3aWRLV | Nov 16 22:49 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz: Just like Bali, Boston, Madrid, London, NYC, etc. https://t.co/JWUz0MRSlT always blame your critic? | Nov 16 22:49 | |
| schestowitz | Jan (redhat): "Seriously? One gave all patents to whatever shell company and the other signed a deal." | Nov 16 22:51 |
| schestowitz | "We didn't sign a deal." | Nov 16 22:51 |
| schestowitz | "And that's the only thing you care about? That's disappointing." | Nov 16 22:51 |
| schestowitz | There was an agreement relating to patents. If there's nothing bad about it and if it's GPL-compliant (extends to all, which evidently it doesn't based on the deal signed days later), then release further details. Until then, silence serves to show Red Hat hides something... and uses it to gain advantage over others | Nov 16 22:52 |
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| oiaohm | cubexyz: I have a lot of old hardware running current testing debian. | Nov 16 23:02 |
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| cubexyz | don't tell me you're running systemd on old stuff :) | Nov 16 23:02 |
| oiaohm | cubexyz: I am | Nov 16 23:02 |
| oiaohm | cubexyz: the worse I have is a 233 pent with 128 megs of ram. | Nov 16 23:03 |
| cubexyz | what is it used for? | Nov 16 23:03 |
| oiaohm | 233 when not running table next to bed. | Nov 16 23:04 |
| oiaohm | Its only kept around for the fun factor. | Nov 16 23:04 |
| cubexyz | don't really see the point of running a new kernel on hardware that old | Nov 16 23:05 |
| cubexyz | I assume the newer kernel needs more memory | Nov 16 23:05 |
| oiaohm | That is the funny part. | Nov 16 23:05 |
| cubexyz | unless you've modified it to use less memory | Nov 16 23:05 |
| oiaohm | Yes newer kernel uses a little more memory but the fixed locking impoved operations a lot. | Nov 16 23:06 |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines gnu linux based consoles. "Alienware, Syber, | Nov 16 23:06 |
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| cubexyz | 128 megs with X and some sort of window manager I assume? | Nov 16 23:07 |
| oiaohm | cubexyz: even in it day when it was new running X11 on it was a pain in ass. | Nov 16 23:08 |
| oiaohm | cubexyz: its got a horible video card s3 virge crap. | Nov 16 23:09 |
| oiaohm | vesa video driver that is about it. | Nov 16 23:09 |
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| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Phoronix Readers Are Still Mostly Relying Upon | Nov 16 23:10 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Proprietary Linux GPU Drivers | Nov 16 23:10 |
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| cubexyz | ok, that felt like a router attack | Nov 16 23:18 |
| cubexyz | oiaohm, I would suggest making some notes on how to minimize the memory footprint of Debian | Nov 16 23:19 |
| cubexyz | could be interesting | Nov 16 23:20 |
| cubexyz | for example I have a script that knocks out some LKM's I don't use | Nov 16 23:21 |
| oiaohm | cubexyz: https://www.debian.org/releases/jessie/amd64/ch03s04.html.en I am not exactly doing anything that special to it. | Nov 16 23:21 |
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| oiaohm | 128 is debian min so it abused the hell out of swap. | Nov 16 23:22 |
| cubexyz | e.g. I never need the standard Hot Plug PCI controller driver | Nov 16 23:22 |
| cubexyz | or nfsd | Nov 16 23:22 |
| cubexyz | or bluetooth :) | Nov 16 23:22 |
| schestowitz | Jan: "Yawn. We made a GPL compliant deal. Carlo said so. Canonical and Novell never said that. But you insist on us sharing. While you let the others get away with whatever deal. And you say WE have something to hide? While you happily admit you never asked THEM?" | Nov 16 23:22 |
| schestowitz | "And in all three cases you never asked Microsoft?" | Nov 16 23:22 |
| oiaohm | cubexyz: fairly much the 233 is running standard debian with limited services list and very light X11 if X11 at all. | Nov 16 23:23 |
| cubexyz | very light X11? | Nov 16 23:23 |
| schestowitz | " Carlo said so" doesn't say much because judging by the FAQ it doesn't extend to other players. Canonical said nothing about patents and Novell did something far worse. | Nov 16 23:23 |
| oiaohm | cubexyz: very light skip windows manager use a terminal. | Nov 16 23:24 |
| oiaohm | cubexyz: as I said I keep the 233 around for fun not as recommended usage. | Nov 16 23:24 |
| cubexyz | Linux can run in 16 megs :) | Nov 16 23:25 |
| cubexyz | but not Debian | Nov 16 23:25 |
| cubexyz | http://www.maxhost.org/other/linux-486.jpg | Nov 16 23:25 |
| cubexyz | I used to think that 9 megs on my Amiga was a lot of memory | Nov 16 23:27 |
| oiaohm | My KDE desktop eats up 2 to 3 G of ram. | Nov 16 23:28 |
| cubexyz | memory minimization is a hobby of mine | Nov 16 23:29 |
| oiaohm | Really 128 at 233 mhz is the slowest and smallest ram I deal wth. | Nov 16 23:29 |
| oiaohm | Other than really small like adlreno | Nov 16 23:29 |
| oiaohm | Opps arduino | Nov 16 23:31 |
| oiaohm | I guess you would not go for the insane of booting Linux on a 8bit cpu by emularting a 32 bit one cubexyz | Nov 16 23:31 |
| MinceR | i hope the GPLv3 will screw deadrat | Nov 16 23:31 |
| cubexyz | I wrote up some notes here: | Nov 16 23:31 |
| MinceR | with their patent deal | Nov 16 23:31 |
| cubexyz | http://www.maxhost.org/other/low-memory-os.txt | Nov 16 23:32 |
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| cubexyz | :1 | Nov 16 23:33 |
| cubexyz | sorry, error... 2.11BSD doesn't use 16 megs :) | Nov 16 23:33 |
| cubexyz | http://www.maxhost.org/other/low-memory-os.txt | Nov 16 23:34 |
| cubexyz | corrected... 2.11BSD uses 4 megs of ram | Nov 16 23:34 |
| cubexyz | emulated PDP-11/73 | Nov 16 23:35 |
| cubexyz | 22-bit physical address space | Nov 16 23:35 |
| cubexyz | oiaohm, no... I programmed 8-bit machines enough to know not to try running Unix on them | Nov 16 23:36 |
| cubexyz | 8-bit architecture can't handle Unix | Nov 16 23:37 |
| cubexyz | PDP-11/20 is the historical minimum... | Nov 16 23:38 |
| cubexyz | a rough progression would be: | Nov 16 23:39 |
| cubexyz | PDP-7 -> PDP-11/20 -> PDP-11/40 -> PDP-11/45 -> PDP-11/70 -> Vax 11/780 | Nov 16 23:39 |
| cubexyz | comparatively speaking 128 megs is a huge memory space | Nov 16 23:45 |
| cubexyz | it's only because of all the eye candy and web browser bloat that gigabytes of memory are "necessary" | Nov 16 23:47 |
| cubexyz | I'm still not sure what all the LKMs do in FC1 even after 11 years of study | Nov 16 23:48 |
| cubexyz | the problem I find nowadays is higher resolution pictures and video | Nov 16 23:53 |
| cubexyz | there's no getting around that... higher res stuff needs more memory | Nov 16 23:54 |
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| schestowitz | [23:03] <oiaohm> cubexyz: the worse I have is a 233 pent with 128 megs of ram. | Nov 17 00:20 |
| schestowitz | has it now worn out yet? | Nov 17 00:20 |
| cubexyz | the lifespan of semiconductors is an open question | Nov 17 00:20 |
| cubexyz | if the electrolyte in the capacitors is durable enough... a motherboard can certainly last beyond 20 years | Nov 17 00:21 |
| cubexyz | the idea that motherboards last '5 years or less' is bogus | Nov 17 00:24 |
| cubexyz | of course some selectivity is necessary to buy decent hardware | Nov 17 00:24 |
| cubexyz | working PDP-11s could be over 40 years old now | Nov 17 00:26 |
| cubexyz | certainly the idea that more than 128 megs of ram is necessary for basic things like checking emails, word processing, using a spreadsheet is incorrect | Nov 17 00:29 |
| schestowitz | Jan, red hat: "But you let them get away while we should somehow share everything with you? Sounds fair, I guess ;-)" | Nov 17 00:29 |
| schestowitz | Who's "them"? Canonical? Novell was open about it, but it was a really terrible thing. Canonical said nothing about patents... | Nov 17 00:29 |
| cubexyz | by all means criticize Microsoft :) | Nov 17 00:30 |
| schestowitz | my desktop from 2008 sort of died recently, sort of... | Nov 17 00:30 |
| schestowitz | I can't seem to get it started | Nov 17 00:30 |
| schestowitz | I ejected fans, memory sticks, etc. | Nov 17 00:30 |
| schestowitz | and I can't figure out why it died after POST | Nov 17 00:31 |
| schestowitz | sometimes doesn't even get to POST | Nov 17 00:31 |
| schestowitz | the fan doesn't seem to be the issue | Nov 17 00:31 |
| schestowitz | two fans always running fine | Nov 17 00:31 |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Red Hat Enterprise Linux 5 and CentOS 5 Receive | Nov 17 00:31 |
| schestowitz | esp. if I remove all the RAM, they just beep endlessly, no shutdown | Nov 17 00:31 |
| cubexyz | try the simplest thing first: compressed air and give it a good cleaning | Nov 17 00:31 |
| TweetTuxMachines | an Important Kernel Update | Nov 17 00:31 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-news.softpedia.com | Red Hat Enterprise Linux 5 and CentOS 5 Receive an Important Kernel Update - Softpedia | Nov 17 00:31 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines UUMATE Is a Respin of Ubuntu MATE 15.10 That | Nov 17 00:31 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-news.softpedia.com | UUMATE Is a Respin of Ubuntu MATE 15.10 That Aims to be Better - Video - Softpedia | Nov 17 00:32 | |
| *TweetTuxMachines @softpedialinux favourited 'Red Hat Enterprise Linux 5 and CentOS 5...' | Nov 17 00:32 | |
| schestowitz | I already cleaned it as much as I could | Nov 17 00:32 |
| cubexyz | dirty memory sockets can preventing booting | Nov 17 00:32 |
| MinceR | can compressed air spinning the fans cause electrical damage? | Nov 17 00:32 |
| schestowitz | still work in progress, I lost another old machine earlier this year | Nov 17 00:32 |
| schestowitz | and I think it died for good when there was a loud bang | Nov 17 00:32 |
| cubexyz | are you using UPS with these computers? | Nov 17 00:32 |
| schestowitz | no | Nov 17 00:32 |
| schestowitz | I also tried swapping cables etc,. | Nov 17 00:32 |
| cubexyz | any visible damage on the board? | Nov 17 00:34 |
| cubexyz | bad caps, burning smell... | Nov 17 00:34 |
| cubexyz | bulging caps is a clear sign they are bad | Nov 17 00:35 |
| cubexyz | MinceR, you could hold the fans still if you were using compressed air on the fan | Nov 17 00:38 |
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| cubexyz | I guess it's possible that spinning the fans too fast could damage the electronics of the fan | Nov 17 00:39 |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Vendor Q&A Series: Mark Enzweiler, Red Hat | Nov 17 00:39 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.channelnomics.com | Vendor Q&A Series: Mark Enzweiler, Red Hat - from Channelnomics.com | Nov 17 00:39 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines HP Linux Imaging and Printing Driver Update | Nov 17 00:39 |
| TweetTuxMachines | with Support for Ubuntu 15.10 | Nov 17 00:39 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-news.softpedia.com | HP Linux Imaging and Printing Driver Update with Support for Ubuntu 15.10 - Softpedia | Nov 17 00:39 | |
| cubexyz | I don't think fans are simple DC motors nowadays | Nov 17 00:40 |
| schestowitz | Jan: "Where's the Novell contract? Where's the Canonical contract? Why should we share when you let them do whatever they want? Just because we are actually saying what we did? But Canonical gets a free pass because they said nothing? That's borderline hypocrisy. You never bothered to ask? Even though Canonical is working on their phone thingy that should trigger the Microsoft Android patent stuff? Wouldn't that be an interesting question?" | Nov 17 00:40 |
| schestowitz | Canonical does not appear to have spoken about patents at all, unlike Red Hat. And Novell did share a redacted deal text... just before Easter. | Nov 17 00:41 |
| schestowitz | Jan: "As I said. I forwarded your request. It's out if my hands." | Nov 17 00:41 |
| schestowitz | "If you think your public pressure will help, go for it. I just note that Shuttleworth got the free pass." | Nov 17 00:41 |
| schestowitz | My article's about Canonical's Azure thing can easily be found in the archive for that month | Nov 17 00:42 |
| MinceR | cubexyz: i do that | Nov 17 00:42 |
| MinceR | i wondered if it was necessary :> | Nov 17 00:42 |
| schestowitz | *articles | Nov 17 00:42 |
| cubexyz | it seems plausbile you could dislodge the lubricant deep inside the fan | Nov 17 00:43 |
| cubexyz | probably better to replace it with a high quality part | Nov 17 00:43 |
| MinceR | ic | Nov 17 00:43 |
| cubexyz | just like the toner cartridge in a laserjet, at some point it's better to replace a consumable item than to refill or repair it | Nov 17 00:44 |
| cubexyz | although I will say my original P3 Slot 1 CPU fans still work great | Nov 17 00:45 |
| schestowitz | Jan: "And bed time. It's close to 2am :-)" | Nov 17 00:46 |
| schestowitz | My Open Letter to Red Hat's CEO 8 years ago: http://techrights.org/2007/12/21/open-letter-james-whitehurst/ "hard to name companies that have benefited from a Microsoft pact" | Nov 17 00:46 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Open Letter to James Whitehurst, CEO of Red Hat | Techrights | Nov 17 00:46 | |
| cubexyz | I would say also that the thermal paste itself degrades in newer computers | Nov 17 00:48 |
| cubexyz | the Slot 1's didn't have any thermal paste, hence it doesn't degrade | Nov 17 00:48 |
| cubexyz | also the MOSFETs could go bad | Nov 17 00:49 |
| MinceR | i can name one | Nov 17 00:49 |
| MinceR | microsoft | Nov 17 00:49 |
| cubexyz | schestowitz, I would check around for local motherboard repair sites | Nov 17 00:50 |
| cubexyz | there are some really good ones out there | Nov 17 00:50 |
| cubexyz | of course you could just find another NOS motherboard to match the bad one | Nov 17 00:51 |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/AngelaRichter_/status/666379335499124737 | Nov 17 00:56 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@AngelaRichter_: #Zizek's very last words: Next time, even if it takes 10 years, Julian #Assange will join us here. https://t.co/Nwej2P3SjU | Nov 17 00:56 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@AngelaRichter_: #Zizek's very last words: Next time, even if it takes 10 years, Julian #Assange will join us here. https://t.co/Nwej2P3SjU | Nov 17 00:56 | |
| cubexyz | quality motherboard + good UPS + less heat generation == longevity | Nov 17 00:59 |
| cubexyz | oh and buy a decent power supply :) | Nov 17 00:59 |
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| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Best Linux Distribution for Your Hosting | Nov 17 01:02 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.unixmen.com | Best Linux Distribution for Your Hosting | Unixmen | Nov 17 01:02 | |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Today and Weekend in Techrights | Tux Machines | Nov 17 01:02 | |
| schestowitz | Jan: "And I tried to explain that our deal is quite different. Microsoft moved a lot in our opinion. Carlo told you as much. Forcing him to give up his client privilege is not going to work, that much I can tell. Feel free to not trust us. I did what I could. But you want more. Whatever we do, it won't be enough. But I gather that if we just kept our mouth shut about patents, you couldn't care less. As you did with Canonical. That's just | Nov 17 01:06 |
| schestowitz | crazy IMHO." | Nov 17 01:06 |
| schestowitz | So they're not planning to " give up his client privilege " | Nov 17 01:06 |
| schestowitz | That's their position then | Nov 17 01:07 |
| schestowitz | protecting secrecy of it all | Nov 17 01:07 |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/profBury/status/666419940510048256 | Nov 17 01:08 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@profBury: Did you see it? Today’s hottest tweet among people I follow https://t.co/8dtCfy68rf by @schestowitz | Nov 17 01:08 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights--> linkis.com | Stock Prices of Weapons Manufacturers Soaring Since Paris Attack - Linkis.com | Nov 17 01:08 | |
| schestowitz | http://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/2015/11/16/jeremy-corbyn-attacked-by_n_8578184.html | Nov 17 01:09 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.huffingtonpost.co.uk | Jeremy Corbyn Attacked By Labour MPs Over His Stance On 'Shoot To Kill', 'Jihadi John', Paris Attacks And Stop The War Coalition | Nov 17 01:09 | |
| MinceR | saint redhat | Nov 17 01:12 |
| MinceR | my ass | Nov 17 01:12 |
| schestowitz | Jan: "You are trying to force that. Not we. We are really glad that Carlo was involved. He's one of the best. But he was not the only one. Did you ask Microsoft? Or only Tiller and Carlo?" | Nov 17 01:12 |
| schestowitz | Red herring, they're not likely to communicate with me because they're secretive and the silence serves them more than "Open Organisation" | Nov 17 01:13 |
| schestowitz | Also, don't try to frame this as a personal attack from me against Piana because it's not | Nov 17 01:14 |
| schestowitz | "I got personal emails from Carlo. He's not happy to be put in the spotlight the way you did." | Nov 17 01:16 |
| schestowitz | "He is a personal friend of mine since many years." | Nov 17 01:16 |
| schestowitz | "If that's how you think you'll succeed, go for it. I cannot and don't want to help with that. That's all." | Nov 17 01:17 |
| schestowitz | I made the factual statement that, for Red Hat, he and Tiller were involved | Nov 17 01:17 |
| schestowitz | They evidently consented to a secret deal, like the one signed with Acacia 2 years ago | Nov 17 01:18 |
| schestowitz | "I did what I could. I asked for patience while working behind the curtains. You showed me the finger by publicly demanding stuff. I pointed out that you seem to be selective. All points made b" | Nov 17 01:18 |
| schestowitz | "And how did you know he was involved? Oh." | Nov 17 01:18 |
| schestowitz | You told me so | Nov 17 01:19 |
| schestowitz | "In private." | Nov 17 01:19 |
| schestowitz | Well, some level of transparency would assist somehow, all we have not is a lousy FAQ that's more like PR | Nov 17 01:19 |
| schestowitz | Written favourably, by omission, to bolster Red Hat RP | Nov 17 01:20 |
| schestowitz | "That's abuse of trust in my book." | Nov 17 01:20 |
| schestowitz | "You took it public." | Nov 17 01:20 |
| MinceR | redcrap demands to be smiled at and treated nicely while they destroy gnu/linux and vacuum the last dollars from their victims | Nov 17 01:20 |
| schestowitz | "At least an FAQ. Unlike Canonical. Unlike SUSE." | Nov 17 01:21 |
| schestowitz | Novell released the deal, with redactions | Nov 17 01:21 |
| schestowitz | "Duh. A Red Hat written FAQ is positive towards Red Hat. Film at 11 :-)" | Nov 17 01:22 |
| schestowitz | "Novell released an old deal. Not the Azure one." | Nov 17 01:22 |
| schestowitz | I'm talking about the patent thing | Nov 17 01:22 |
| schestowitz | "Nor did anyone release their Amazon deal." | Nov 17 01:22 |
| schestowitz | Amazon does not use patents versus Linux | Nov 17 01:23 |
| schestowitz | In fact, Microsoft seemingly made Amazon pay for Linux, based on a deal a few years back | Nov 17 01:23 |
| schestowitz | "I don't like it, trust me on that." | Nov 17 01:23 |
| schestowitz | "That's business." | Nov 17 01:23 |
| schestowitz | "I still happily risk being quoted, because I care about your goals." | Nov 17 01:24 |
| MinceR | destroying technology is "business" | Nov 17 01:24 |
| schestowitz | yeah | Nov 17 01:25 |
| schestowitz | apparently | Nov 17 01:25 |
| schestowitz | if it's good for RHT shareholders | Nov 17 01:25 |
| schestowitz | "I don't want to end our conversation. But I also need to keep my job ;-)" | Nov 17 01:25 |
| schestowitz | I didn't quote, I named people whom I knew could be approached for answers | Nov 17 01:26 |
| schestowitz | "I got asked some harsh questions. I could shrug it off thus far." | Nov 17 01:27 |
| schestowitz | "10 years of experience." | Nov 17 01:28 |
| schestowitz | I've tracked Microsoft's patent strategy against Linux this long | Nov 17 01:28 |
| schestowitz | More than full-time capacity | Nov 17 01:28 |
| schestowitz | almost 20,000 articles in Boycott Novell/techrights | Nov 17 01:30 |
| schestowitz | You and I have the same goals, we just get our salaries from different places, small practical difference... | Nov 17 01:32 |
| schestowitz | "But you of all people should know that a GPL compliant agreement (not a patent deal, because we don't have that) covers all users/developers of GPL licensed code." | Nov 17 01:33 |
| schestowitz | "Not only Red Hat." | Nov 17 01:33 |
| schestowitz | "That's what the GPL is about." | Nov 17 01:33 |
| schestowitz | I can't see how the patent standstill extends to others | Nov 17 01:33 |
| schestowitz | If I look at the legalese in the GPL(v2/v3), then I'd find that such agreements would require broader coverage than just Red Hat and its customers | Nov 17 01:34 |
| schestowitz | "Well, ask a lawyer. I did :-)" | Nov 17 01:34 |
| schestowitz | I don't know what to ask the lawyer, and here's why | Nov 17 01:35 |
| schestowitz | "Yep. I would think so too." | Nov 17 01:35 |
| schestowitz | "And that's all I'm going to say." | Nov 17 01:35 |
| schestowitz | Because I don't see what was signed at all, or agreed on. Tiller and Piana know... | Nov 17 01:35 |
| schestowitz | A FAQ is not legal text, and it's just a surrogate that leaves room for speculation | Nov 17 01:36 |
| schestowitz | "And contracts between two parties are not made public. I know. Again. I don't like it. And tried a workaround. Which is now being decided." | Nov 17 01:38 |
| schestowitz | Thank you. | Nov 17 01:38 |
| schestowitz | I thank you for all that you do, I don't blame you for what non-swpats opposers are up to | Nov 17 01:39 |
| schestowitz | "In 4.5 hours I need to be up again. Please excuse me while I try to get some sleep ;-)" | Nov 17 01:39 |
| schestowitz | "And contracts between two parties are not made public. I know. Again. I don't like it. And tried a workaround. Which is now being decided." | Nov 17 01:39 |
| cubexyz | just remember kids: | Nov 17 01:46 |
| cubexyz | http://www.maxhost.org/other/no-windows-10.jpg | Nov 17 01:47 |
| cubexyz | the whole reset windows to a pristine state was a huge crock of shit anyways | Nov 17 01:49 |
| cubexyz | Unix philsophy with plain text files for configuration | Nov 17 01:52 |
| cubexyz | not that registry garbage | Nov 17 01:52 |
| MinceR | deadrat loves it though | Nov 17 01:53 |
| MinceR | "factory reset" | Nov 17 01:53 |
| cubexyz | Microsoft could do just about anything to their customers and they would just go "duh ok" | Nov 17 01:55 |
| MinceR | which is exactly what's happening | Nov 17 01:56 |
| MinceR | and madhat is copying them | Nov 17 01:56 |
| schestowitz | madhat | Nov 17 01:58 |
| schestowitz | deadrat | Nov 17 01:58 |
| schestowitz | redcrap | Nov 17 01:58 |
| schestowitz | when's redM$? | Nov 17 01:59 |
| schestowitz | Or Red Mond? | Nov 17 01:59 |
| MinceR | :> | Nov 17 01:59 |
| cubexyz | next week probably | Nov 17 01:59 |
| MinceR | microsoft raleigh | Nov 17 01:59 |
| schestowitz | !google redhat engineers redmond azure | Nov 17 01:59 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | [1] - Microsoft, Red Hat Collaborate To Put Linux on Azure -- Redmond ... | https://rcpmag.com/articles/2015/11/04/microsoft-red-hat-put-linux-on-azure.aspx | Nov 17 01:59 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | [2] - .NET Framework Dons the Red Hat with Deeper Linux Integration ... | https://visualstudiomagazine.com/articles/2015/11/04/net-framework-red-hat.aspx | Nov 17 01:59 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | [3] - Red Hat-Microsoft partnership means a 'co-location' of engineers ... | http://www.bizjournals.com/triangle/blog/techflash/2015/11/red-hat-microsoft-partnership-linux-azure-cloud.html | Nov 17 01:59 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | [4] - Red Hat, Microsoft Forge Wide-Ranging Cloud Partnership - eWeek | http://www.eweek.com/cloud/red-hat-microsoft-forge-wide-ranging-cloud-partnership.html | Nov 17 01:59 |
| schestowitz | see [3] | Nov 17 01:59 |
| MinceR | "engineers" | Nov 17 01:59 |
| schestowitz | "where do you work?" | Nov 17 01:59 |
| schestowitz | Microsoft | Nov 17 01:59 |
| schestowitz | "who do you work for?" | Nov 17 01:59 |
| schestowitz | Red Hat | Nov 17 02:00 |
| MinceR | "where do you want to go today?" | Nov 17 02:00 |
| schestowitz | "cool" | Nov 17 02:00 |
| cubexyz | a safe prediction: more new distros will appear | Nov 17 02:00 |
| schestowitz | yeah | Nov 17 02:00 |
| schestowitz | well, red hat controlled centos now | Nov 17 02:00 |
| schestowitz | the biggest red hat clone | Nov 17 02:00 |
| schestowitz | bar oracle maybe | Nov 17 02:00 |
| schestowitz | no better | Nov 17 02:00 |
| MinceR | how many of them will be gnu/linux distros, though? | Nov 17 02:00 |
| schestowitz | https://joindiaspora.com/posts/6822181 | Nov 17 02:00 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: How the Baseless 'Terrorists Communicating Over Playstation 4' Rumor Got Started http://motherboard.vice.com/read/how-the-baseless-terrorists-communicating-over-playstation-4-rumor-got-started utter rubbish 'reporting' | Nov 17 02:00 | |
| schestowitz | "I bet they used sarcasm too." | Nov 17 02:00 |
| schestowitz | :-) | Nov 17 02:00 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights--> motherboard.vice.com | How the Baseless 'Terrorists Communicating Over Playstation 4' Rumor Got Started | Motherboard | Nov 17 02:00 | |
| cubexyz | gnu/linux isn't abolustely critical... but their will be some | Nov 17 02:01 |
| schestowitz | MinceR: GNU/Lennix | Nov 17 02:01 |
| cubexyz | absolutely | Nov 17 02:01 |
| MinceR | systemd/Garrettux | Nov 17 02:01 |
| XFaCE | schestowitz: if you read the gentoo forums, you quickly realize that the forum users are competent while the devs aren't | Nov 17 02:02 |
| XFaCE | it's depressing | Nov 17 02:02 |
| XFaCE | systemdthink spreads | Nov 17 02:02 |
| cubexyz | Debian Wheezy -> Q4OS & AntiX | Nov 17 02:03 |
| MinceR | examples? | Nov 17 02:03 |
| cubexyz | also the slackware derivatives | Nov 17 02:03 |
| cubexyz | I still backport to Unix v7, even v5 sometimes :) | Nov 17 02:04 |
| XFaCE | MinceR: schestowitz https://forums.gentoo.org/viewtopic-p-7828070-highlight-williamh.html#7828070 | Nov 17 02:04 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-forums.gentoo.org | Gentoo Forums :: View topic - OpenRC 0.18 error outputs | Nov 17 02:04 | |
| cubexyz | I assure everyone they will not go systemd :) | Nov 17 02:04 |
| XFaCE | " jfranz2 ... to mount, and unmount, network filesystems (ie, NFS mounted shares, etc). I just noticed, these virtual filesytems are being umounted as part of 'netmount' ... omg. " | Nov 17 02:04 |
| XFaCE | https://bugs.gentoo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=562668 | Nov 17 02:05 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-bugs.gentoo.org | Bug 562668 – sys-apps/openrc-0.18: /etc/init.d/netmount unmounts local (non-network) filesystems | Nov 17 02:05 | |
| XFaCE | https://forums.gentoo.org/viewtopic-t-1030678-highlight-williamh.html | Nov 17 02:06 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-forums.gentoo.org | Gentoo Forums :: View topic - bug in profile package.mask | Nov 17 02:06 | |
| cubexyz | is gentoo going systemd? | Nov 17 02:07 |
| XFaCE | " | Nov 17 02:07 |
| XFaCE | The initial bug, | Nov 17 02:07 |
| XFaCE | Code: | Nov 17 02:07 |
| XFaCE | ${udev_monitor}:-no} | Nov 17 02:07 |
| XFaCE | is quite embarrassing, as it implies whoever committed it, both didn't spot it (howling to a shell-scripter) and worse, hadn't even tested it in the most minimal way conceivable." | Nov 17 02:07 |
| XFaCE | https://forums.gentoo.org/viewtopic-t-1019548-highlight-williamh.html | Nov 17 02:07 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-forums.gentoo.org | Gentoo Forums :: View topic - udev-trigger failed after udev-init-scripts-28 update | Nov 17 02:07 | |
| XFaCE | [21:07:11]<cubexyz> is gentoo going systemd? | Nov 17 02:08 |
| XFaCE | it's complicated | Nov 17 02:08 |
| XFaCE | and messy | Nov 17 02:08 |
| XFaCE | cubexyz: I highly recommended reading the forum, it gives a good idea of the current politics | Nov 17 02:11 |
| MinceR | looks like they liked cancerd going ax crazy with unmounting they reimplemented it in netmount | Nov 17 02:11 |
| XFaCE | recommend | Nov 17 02:11 |
| MinceR | s/they/so much &/ | Nov 17 02:11 |
| XFaCE | MinceR: pretty much | Nov 17 02:11 |
| MinceR | netbsd and openbsd are looking better every day | Nov 17 02:12 |
| cubexyz | I really liked the old days better :-/ | Nov 17 02:12 |
| XFaCE | and they have done other "systemd-ready" changes | Nov 17 02:12 |
| XFaCE | MinceR: freebsd is out? | Nov 17 02:12 |
| MinceR | i don't trust them as much | Nov 17 02:13 |
| cubexyz | MinceR, I found setting up a LAN with Linux and BSD machines together to be a powerful combo | Nov 17 02:13 |
| cubexyz | so if I am missing stuff on openbsd: ssh -XC cubeman@vector FBReader | Nov 17 02:13 |
| MinceR | 031156 < MinceR> s/they/so much &/ | Nov 17 02:14 |
| MinceR | undo | Nov 17 02:14 |
| cubexyz | or whatever is missing | Nov 17 02:14 |
| MinceR | s/they r/so much &/ | Nov 17 02:14 |
| cubexyz | -C for compression speeds things up a bit | Nov 17 02:14 |
| MinceR | cubexyz: or i could just run a gnu/linux system in a vm | Nov 17 02:14 |
| cubexyz | sure | Nov 17 02:14 |
| cubexyz | my computers are probably too old for that though | Nov 17 02:14 |
| amarsh04 | after the last motherboard and video card failure I have a secondhand motherboard for this machine that is running happily with a Radeon 9600 video card - passive cooling and vdpau acceleration | Nov 17 02:17 |
| *TweetTuxMachines @softpedialinux favourited 'HP Linux Imaging and Printing Driver Update with...' | Nov 17 02:21 | |
| XFaCE | MinceR: bu-bu-but drivers | Nov 17 02:22 |
| XFaCE | MinceR: what linux would you use | Nov 17 02:22 |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Red Hat Enterprise Linux 5 and CentOS 5 Receive | Nov 17 02:22 |
| TweetTuxMachines | an Important Kernel Update | Nov 17 02:22 |
| TweetTuxMachines | https://t.co/KlRVZVkdRP (www.tuxmachines.org) | Nov 17 02:22 |
| TweetTuxMachines | ........................................ http://ur1.ca/oa1qi | Nov 17 02:22 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Red Hat Enterprise Linux 5 and CentOS 5 Receive an Important Kernel Update | Tux Machines | Nov 17 02:22 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Vendor Q&A Series: Mark Enzweiler, Red Hat | Nov 17 02:22 |
| TweetTuxMachines | https://t.co/8BzhP8eGPw (www.tuxmachines.org) | Nov 17 02:22 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Vendor Q&A Series: Mark Enzweiler, Red Hat | Tux Machines | Nov 17 02:22 | |
| MinceR | XFaCE: dunno | Nov 17 02:22 |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines UUMATE Is a Respin of Ubuntu MATE 15.10 That | Nov 17 02:22 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Aims to be Better - Video | Nov 17 02:22 |
| TweetTuxMachines | https://t.co/xrpxtNr1KF (www.tuxmachines.org) | Nov 17 02:22 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | UUMATE Is a Respin of Ubuntu MATE 15.10 That Aims to be Better - Video | Tux Machines | Nov 17 02:22 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines HP Linux Imaging and Printing Driver Update | Nov 17 02:22 |
| TweetTuxMachines | with Support for Ubuntu 15.10 | Nov 17 02:22 |
| TweetTuxMachines | https://t.co/caGzfi2Ufy (www.tuxmachines.org) | Nov 17 02:22 |
| TweetTuxMachines | ........................................ http://ur1.ca/oa1qr | Nov 17 02:22 |
| MinceR | XFaCE: could even use crunchbang waldorf :> | Nov 17 02:23 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | HP Linux Imaging and Printing Driver Update with Support for Ubuntu 15.10 | Tux Machines | Nov 17 02:23 | |
| MinceR | then again, their repos are dead | Nov 17 02:23 |
| MinceR | so debian wheezy | Nov 17 02:23 |
| XFaCE | Void Linux seems pretty good | Nov 17 02:23 |
| XFaCE | Salix | Nov 17 02:24 |
| XFaCE | Alpine | Nov 17 02:24 |
| MinceR | bedrock, if you have distros you can put in it | Nov 17 02:24 |
| XFaCE | bedrock? | Nov 17 02:26 |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Best Linux Distribution for Your Hosting | Nov 17 02:26 |
| TweetTuxMachines | https://t.co/jEy3TVVHa6 (www.tuxmachines.org) | Nov 17 02:26 |
| TweetTuxMachines | ........................................ http://ur1.ca/oa1r6 | Nov 17 02:26 |
| MinceR | http://bedrocklinux.org/ | Nov 17 02:26 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Best Linux Distribution for Your Hosting | Tux Machines | Nov 17 02:26 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-bedrocklinux.org | Bedrock Linux | Nov 17 02:26 | |
| *TweetTuxMachines @softpedialinux favourited 'UUMATE Is a Respin of Ubuntu MATE 15.10...' | Nov 17 02:26 | |
| XFaCE | MinceR: sounds too good to be true | Nov 17 02:27 |
| schestowitz | [02:24] <MinceR> bedrock, if you have distros you can put in it | Nov 17 02:27 |
| schestowitz | remember what bedrock did? | Nov 17 02:27 |
| schestowitz | !google bedrock linux patents | Nov 17 02:28 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | [1] - FOSS Patents: Texas jury finds against Google in Linux patent case ... | http://www.fosspatents.com/2011/04/texas-jury-finds-against-google-in.html | Nov 17 02:28 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | [2] - Google infringes on Linux patent: $5 million judgment | ZDNet | http://www.zdnet.com/article/google-infringes-on-linux-patent-5-million-judgment/ | Nov 17 02:28 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | [3] - Google Loses Patent Case Filed By Patent Attorney Who Was ... | https://www.techdirt.com/articles/20110421/16470613993/google-loses-patent-case-filed-patent-attorney-who-was-helping-fight-patent-excesses.shtml | Nov 17 02:28 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | [4] - Bedrock Linux | http://bedrocklinux.org/ | Nov 17 02:28 |
| schestowitz | 2011 | Nov 17 02:28 |
| schestowitz | Groklaw covered that at the time | Nov 17 02:28 |
| XFaCE | schestowitz: same bedrock? | Nov 17 02:28 |
| schestowitz | same name, different thing, alas... | Nov 17 02:28 |
| schestowitz | no, different | Nov 17 02:28 |
| XFaCE | oops | Nov 17 02:29 |
| MinceR | i don't think this bedrock even existed in 2011 :> | Nov 17 02:29 |
| MinceR | the irc channel was registered in 2012 | Nov 17 02:30 |
| cubexyz | you guys shouldn't complain too much | Nov 17 02:30 |
| cubexyz | christmas 1985... | Nov 17 02:31 |
| cubexyz | http://www.maxhost.org/other/christmas-1985-256k-amiga.png | Nov 17 02:31 |
| cubexyz | 2 grand for 256k :) | Nov 17 02:31 |
| MinceR | back then the IT industry wasn't suffering of a fatal disease | Nov 17 02:31 |
| MinceR | back then computers were built to do what their owner wanted to do | Nov 17 02:31 |
| MinceR | back then the IT industry wasn't controlled by the whims of rich drooling idiots who don't even know what a computer is | Nov 17 02:32 |
| cubexyz | plus upgrading your firmware required a chip change :) | Nov 17 02:32 |
| MinceR | back then governments weren't looking for ways to screw computer users | Nov 17 02:32 |
| XFaCE | MinceR: are you sure? | Nov 17 02:32 |
| cubexyz | right, and no internet access for home either | Nov 17 02:32 |
| cubexyz | how would they even get in? | Nov 17 02:32 |
| MinceR | XFaCE: not really | Nov 17 02:33 |
| MinceR | but afaik there wasn't all this fuckage about back doors for governments, and DMCA, WCT and the rest of the shit | Nov 17 02:33 |
| cubexyz | back in 1985 Microsoft was not as powerful | Nov 17 02:33 |
| cubexyz | we had Amiga, Atari, PC Clones running Xenix, there was a lot of choice | Nov 17 02:33 |
| MinceR | we even had choice of cpus that weren't too weak | Nov 17 02:34 |
| MinceR | we weren't expected to like having our computers tivoized | Nov 17 02:34 |
| MinceR | hell, there was no tivoization | Nov 17 02:34 |
| cubexyz | a simpler time :) | Nov 17 02:34 |
| MinceR | humanity had a future back then | Nov 17 02:34 |
| XFaCE | MinceR: "intellectual property" dates back to the 1970s | Nov 17 02:35 |
| XFaCE | wiretapping | Nov 17 02:36 |
| XFaCE | DRM | Nov 17 02:36 |
| MinceR | wiretapping was for voice over phone, wasn't it? | Nov 17 02:36 |
| MinceR | and DRM was called "copy protection" | Nov 17 02:36 |
| MinceR | and there was no DMCA/WCT to give it legal support | Nov 17 02:36 |
| cubexyz | some of my computers still work from that time period | Nov 17 02:42 |
| cubexyz | printing out a letter was like: | Nov 17 02:43 |
| cubexyz | type letter.txt > prn: | Nov 17 02:43 |
| cubexyz | basically redirect to prn: and you're done :) | Nov 17 02:44 |
| XFaCE | lol | Nov 17 02:44 |
| cubexyz | of course on linux I can just: lp letter.txt | Nov 17 02:45 |
| cubexyz | maybe lp -d hp letter.txt | Nov 17 02:46 |
| cubexyz | but the point is there was no real printer driver back then | Nov 17 02:46 |
| cubexyz | it was ascii straight to the printer | Nov 17 02:46 |
| cubexyz | you got a real manual back then, so no secret protocols | Nov 17 02:47 |
| oiaohm | cubexyz: postscript is also very old. | Nov 17 02:47 |
| oiaohm | https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/PostScript | Nov 17 02:48 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-en.wikipedia.org | PostScript - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia | Nov 17 02:48 | |
| cubexyz | I can't remember how expensive postscript printers were back then | Nov 17 02:49 |
| oiaohm | cubexyz: basically you find postscript in the first computer with a screen mouse and keyboard by xerox. | Nov 17 02:49 |
| cubexyz | all I remember was Epson & panasonic dot matrix printers | Nov 17 02:49 |
| cubexyz | Xerox Star? I couldn't afford that :) | Nov 17 02:50 |
| oiaohm | The stupid part was postscript was a open protocol the issue was cpu power it took to handle it. | Nov 17 02:50 |
| cubexyz | the laserjets had a CPU inside them? | Nov 17 02:50 |
| oiaohm | So we end up with different makers doing own odd ball protocols to save costs. | Nov 17 02:51 |
| oiaohm | cubexyz: you find megs of memory inside old postscript lazer printers. | Nov 17 02:51 |
| cubexyz | yes I know, I own one | Nov 17 02:51 |
| cubexyz | I have an old Laserjet 5N | Nov 17 02:52 |
| oiaohm | I think that is a mips. | Nov 17 02:52 |
| cubexyz | makes sense | Nov 17 02:52 |
| oiaohm | Ok this is warped. 64 bit mips chip. | Nov 17 02:53 |
| oiaohm | Is hiding in a Laserjet 5n | Nov 17 02:53 |
| cubexyz | ok, I see that HP introduced a laserjet back in 1984 at COMDEX | Nov 17 02:53 |
| cubexyz | cool | Nov 17 02:54 |
| cubexyz | for $3500 | Nov 17 02:54 |
| cubexyz | so yes, you could get them for major $$$ :) | Nov 17 02:54 |
| oiaohm | Note the time frame of a Laserjet5N and the fact it 64 bit. | Nov 17 02:54 |
| cubexyz | mine says 1997 on the back | Nov 17 02:55 |
| oiaohm | Exactly most PC and servers at the time were only 32 bit. | Nov 17 02:55 |
| oiaohm | So other than GPU the most powerful cpu in the place would be hidding in a printer. | Nov 17 02:55 |
| cubexyz | can the 5N do double sided printout? | Nov 17 02:56 |
| oiaohm | That called duplex printing. I cannot remember if that was addon or built in with the 5 series. | Nov 17 02:56 |
| MinceR | yeah, i got a real manual with my hp laserjet 4l | Nov 17 02:59 |
| MinceR | pity its paper handling mechanism is garbage | Nov 17 02:59 |
| cubexyz | I see collate and reverse in kedit | Nov 17 02:59 |
| cubexyz | ah, it's an add-on... pity | Nov 17 03:00 |
| cubexyz | there's an optional duplex unit | Nov 17 03:01 |
| cubexyz | seems to fit underneath the laserjet | Nov 17 03:03 |
| cubexyz | MinceR, what's the problem? printing a bit crooked? | Nov 17 03:06 |
| cubexyz | the 4L would probably be quite old by now | Nov 17 03:07 |
| MinceR | pretty much always pulled the pages in crooked | Nov 17 03:07 |
| MinceR | and if it was a bit bent from printing on the other side, you could be sure it would eat the page | Nov 17 03:07 |
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| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines GNOME Music App Updated for GNOME 3.18.2 with | Nov 17 03:36 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Minor Improvements, Bugfixes | Nov 17 03:36 |
| TweetTuxMachines | https://t.co/PCu6jasRno (www.tuxmachines.org) | Nov 17 03:36 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | GNOME Music App Updated for GNOME 3.18.2 with Minor Improvements, Bugfixes | Tux Machines | Nov 17 03:36 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines KDE Plasma 5.5 on Wayland to Feature a | Nov 17 03:37 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Beautiful and Secure Lockscreen Integration | Nov 17 03:37 |
| TweetTuxMachines | https://t.co/fXD27WZ0T8 (www.tuxmachines.org) | Nov 17 03:37 |
| TweetTuxMachines | ........................................ http://ur1.ca/oa1y6 | Nov 17 03:37 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | KDE Plasma 5.5 on Wayland to Feature a Beautiful and Secure Lockscreen Integration | Tux Machines | Nov 17 03:37 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines The Best Android Phone You Can Buy Today | Nov 17 03:39 |
| TweetTuxMachines | https://t.co/169As3Gsm4 (www.tuxmachines.org) | Nov 17 03:39 |
| TweetTuxMachines | ........................................ http://ur1.ca/oa1yk | Nov 17 03:39 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | The Best Android Phone You Can Buy Today | Tux Machines | Nov 17 03:39 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines ArchEX Live DVD Is Based on Arch Linux, LXDE, | Nov 17 03:39 |
| TweetTuxMachines | and Linux Kernel 4.2.5 https://t.co/9UrOUo4SMI | Nov 17 03:39 |
| TweetTuxMachines | (www.tuxmachines.org) | Nov 17 03:39 |
| TweetTuxMachines | ........................................ http://ur1.ca/oa1yl | Nov 17 03:39 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | ArchEX Live DVD Is Based on Arch Linux, LXDE, and Linux Kernel 4.2.5 | Tux Machines | Nov 17 03:39 | |
| amarsh04 | and remember back in 1993-1994 SGI announcing that their 64-bit technology was to be used by Nintendo for what became the Nintendo-64 | Nov 17 03:52 |
| cubexyz | I think the Atari Jaguar came out back in Nov 1993 | Nov 17 04:02 |
| cubexyz | around the same time | Nov 17 04:02 |
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| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Linux Mint 17.3 "Rosa" Beta with MATE 1.12 | Nov 17 08:46 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Screenshot Tour https://t.co/iSne4mRckK | Nov 17 08:46 |
| TweetTuxMachines | (www.tuxmachines.org) | Nov 17 08:46 |
| TweetTuxMachines | ........................................ http://ur1.ca/oa2sh | Nov 17 08:46 |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines The Evolution Of Android Wear | Nov 17 08:47 |
| TweetTuxMachines | https://t.co/cJ6ek7okRf (www.tuxmachines.org) | Nov 17 08:47 |
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| *TweetTuxMachines @MarcoSteffenini followed @tuxmachines | Nov 17 09:54 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Open Source a hit with Bengaluru's techies | Nov 17 09:54 |
| TweetTuxMachines | https://t.co/2VhYBlGn45 (www.tuxmachines.org) | Nov 17 09:54 |
| TweetTuxMachines | ........................................ http://ur1.ca/oa2y6 | Nov 17 09:54 |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines BQ Aquaris Ubuntu Edition Phones Land in Russia | Nov 17 09:54 |
| TweetTuxMachines | https://t.co/ekomfvmo9i (www.tuxmachines.org) | Nov 17 09:54 |
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| schestowitz | https://joindiaspora.com/posts/6819452 | Nov 17 09:57 |
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| TechrightsBot-tr | Hello World! I'm TechrightsBot-tr running phIRCe v0.75 | Nov 17 09:57 |
| schestowitz | https://joindiaspora.com/posts/6819452 | Nov 17 09:57 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: #Firefox Enables #FFmpeg Support By Default http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=Firefox-FFmpeg-Default #mozilla | Nov 17 09:57 | |
| schestowitz | "And even if MP3 format is close I think it is a good reason thanks these two previous points." | Nov 17 09:57 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights--> www.phoronix.com | Firefox Enables FFmpeg Support By Default - Phoronix [ http://ur1.ca/oa1my ] | Nov 17 09:57 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Android Marshmallow: 12 new KILLER features | Nov 17 10:34 |
| TweetTuxMachines | https://t.co/Wc8OtrHbWz (www.alphr.com) | Nov 17 10:34 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.alphr.com | Android Marshmallow: 12 new KILLER features | Alphr | Nov 17 10:34 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Netrunner Rolling 2015.11 screenshots | Nov 17 10:35 |
| TweetTuxMachines | https://t.co/NYYiBTXaSS (linuxbsdos.com) | Nov 17 10:35 |
| TweetTuxMachines | ........................................ http://ur1.ca/oa32g | Nov 17 10:35 |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines UltraFlix Brings 4K Ultra HD Videos to your 4K | Nov 17 10:35 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Samsung Tizen TV https://t.co/9V5w5Km4X8 | Nov 17 10:35 |
| TweetTuxMachines | (www.tizenexperts.com) | Nov 17 10:35 |
| TweetTuxMachines | ........................................ http://ur1.ca/oa32p | Nov 17 10:35 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-linuxbsdos.com | Netrunner Rolling 2015.11 screenshots | LinuxBSDos.com | Nov 17 10:36 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tizenexperts.com | UltraFlix Brings 4K Ultra HD Videos to your 4K Samsung Tizen TV - Tizen Experts | Nov 17 10:36 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines "FUZE BASIC is fully configured to run with all | Nov 17 10:47 |
| TweetTuxMachines | models of the Raspberry Pi." | Nov 17 10:47 |
| TweetTuxMachines | https://t.co/TVXKmAqzJJ (www.linuxuser.co.uk) | Nov 17 10:47 |
| TweetTuxMachines | ........................................ http://ur1.ca/oa33k | Nov 17 10:47 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.linuxuser.co.uk | Win a FUZE Special Edition | Linux User & Developer - the Linux and FOSS mag for a GNU generation | Nov 17 10:47 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Fedora Elections November / December 2015 | Nov 17 10:47 |
| TweetTuxMachines | https://t.co/IxUHSGJwbk | Nov 17 10:47 |
| TweetTuxMachines | (communityblog.fedoraproject.org) | Nov 17 10:47 |
| TweetTuxMachines | ........................................ http://ur1.ca/oa33l | Nov 17 10:47 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-SSL connect error ( status 0 @ https://communityblog.fedoraproject.org/fedora-elections-novemberdecember-2015/ ) | Nov 17 10:47 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Xposed Framework For Android Marshmallow Now | Nov 17 10:47 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Available https://t.co/eH0kBNnFRb | Nov 17 10:47 |
| TweetTuxMachines | (www.techtimes.com) | Nov 17 10:47 |
| TweetTuxMachines | ........................................ http://ur1.ca/oa33m | Nov 17 10:47 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.techtimes.com | Xposed Framework For Android Marshmallow Now Available: Some Samsung And Sony Phones Facing Issues : PERSONAL TECH : Tech Times | Nov 17 10:47 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines GNOME Music App Updated for GNOME 3.18.2 with | Nov 17 10:49 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Minor Improvements, Bugfixes | Nov 17 10:49 |
| TweetTuxMachines | https://t.co/0VHZm6WtRd (linux.softpedia.com) | Nov 17 10:49 |
| TweetTuxMachines | ........................................ http://ur1.ca/oa33u | Nov 17 10:49 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-linux.softpedia.com | GNOME Music App Updated for GNOME 3.18.2 with Minor Improvements, Bugfixes - Softpedia | Nov 17 10:49 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines KDE Plasma 5.5 on Wayland to Feature a | Nov 17 10:50 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Beautiful and Secure Lockscreen Integration | Nov 17 10:50 |
| TweetTuxMachines | https://t.co/2KGd8FGvme (news.softpedia.com) | Nov 17 10:50 |
| TweetTuxMachines | ........................................ http://ur1.ca/oa33w | Nov 17 10:50 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-news.softpedia.com | KDE Plasma 5.5 on Wayland to Feature a Beautiful and Secure Lockscreen Integration - Softpedia | Nov 17 10:50 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines The Best Android Phone You Can Buy Today | Nov 17 10:50 |
| TweetTuxMachines | https://t.co/ZhecwprURe (www.droid-life.com) | Nov 17 10:50 |
| TweetTuxMachines | ........................................ http://ur1.ca/oa33x | Nov 17 10:50 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.droid-life.com | The Best Android Phone You Can Buy Today | Droid Life | Nov 17 10:50 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines ArchEX Live DVD Is Based on Arch Linux, LXDE, | Nov 17 10:51 |
| TweetTuxMachines | and Linux Kernel 4.2.5 https://t.co/wlMar2TDFq | Nov 17 10:51 |
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| TweetTuxMachines | ........................................ http://ur1.ca/oa33z | Nov 17 10:51 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-news.softpedia.com | ArchEX Live DVD Is Based on Arch Linux, LXDE, and Linux Kernel 4.2.5 - Softpedia | Nov 17 10:51 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Linux Mint 17.3 "Rosa" Beta with MATE 1.12 | Nov 17 10:51 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Screenshot Tour https://t.co/4nA0OxpjXO | Nov 17 10:51 |
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| TweetTuxMachines | ........................................ http://ur1.ca/oa340 | Nov 17 10:51 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-news.softpedia.com | Linux Mint 17.3 "Rosa" Beta with MATE 1.12 Screenshot Tour - Softpedia | Nov 17 10:51 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Android Leftovers https://t.co/5DK8ZPlD8S | Nov 17 10:51 |
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| TweetTuxMachines | ........................................ http://ur1.ca/oa341 | Nov 17 10:51 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Android Leftovers | Tux Machines | Nov 17 10:51 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Fedora: The Latest https://t.co/GbWRqapsVx | Nov 17 10:55 |
| TweetTuxMachines | (www.tuxmachines.org) | Nov 17 10:55 |
| TweetTuxMachines | ........................................ http://ur1.ca/oa34d | Nov 17 10:55 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Fedora: The Latest | Tux Machines | Nov 17 10:55 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines The Evolution Of Android Wear | Nov 17 10:55 |
| TweetTuxMachines | https://t.co/1cTch5iiY1 (www.sciencetimes.com) | Nov 17 10:55 |
| TweetTuxMachines | ........................................ http://ur1.ca/oa34e | Nov 17 10:55 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.sciencetimes.com | The Evolution Of Android Wear : TECH & INNOVATION : Science Times | Nov 17 10:55 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines BQ Aquaris Ubuntu Edition Phones Land in Russia | Nov 17 10:55 |
| TweetTuxMachines | https://t.co/UAkEW95YoR (www.businesswire.com) | Nov 17 10:55 |
| TweetTuxMachines | ........................................ http://ur1.ca/oa34f | Nov 17 10:55 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.businesswire.com | BQ Aquaris Ubuntu Edition Phones Land in Russia | Business Wire | Nov 17 10:55 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Senior Tech: Sometimes Linux Isn’t the Solution | Nov 17 11:01 |
| TweetTuxMachines | https://t.co/b3V1EI4I0R (fossforce.com) maybe | Nov 17 11:01 |
| TweetTuxMachines | not for the already brainwashed... | Nov 17 11:01 |
| TweetTuxMachines | ........................................ http://ur1.ca/oa353 | Nov 17 11:01 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-fossforce.com | Senior Tech: Sometimes Linux Isn't the Solution | FOSS Force | Nov 17 11:01 | |
| *TweetTuxMachines @techmuser favourited 'Senior Tech: Sometimes Linux Isn’t the Solution https://t.co/b3V1EI4I0R...' | Nov 17 11:01 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Visiting the System76 headquarters -- a Willy | Nov 17 11:06 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Wonka-like superfan experience | Nov 17 11:06 |
| TweetTuxMachines | https://t.co/ORWgLDj5Me (betanews.com) | Nov 17 11:06 |
| TweetTuxMachines | ........................................ http://ur1.ca/oa35j | Nov 17 11:06 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-betanews.com | Visiting the System76 headquarters -- a Willy Wonka-like superfan experience | Nov 17 11:06 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines New Elementary Applications in the Repos for | Nov 17 11:06 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Testing https://t.co/PhzYnLi3qR | Nov 17 11:06 |
| TweetTuxMachines | (www.bodhilinux.com) | Nov 17 11:06 |
| TweetTuxMachines | ........................................ http://ur1.ca/oa35k | Nov 17 11:06 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.bodhilinux.com | New Elementary Applications in the Repos for Testing | Bodhi Linux | Nov 17 11:06 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines The Best Quotes of Linus Torvalds: Money, | Nov 17 11:06 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Hardware, Source Code And Most Important Things | Nov 17 11:06 |
| TweetTuxMachines | For All | Nov 17 11:06 |
| TweetTuxMachines | https://t.co/r3LUQb7qr1 (tlhp.cf) "don’t need | Nov 17 11:06 |
| TweetTuxMachines | PR" | Nov 17 11:06 |
| TweetTuxMachines | ........................................ http://ur1.ca/oa35l | Nov 17 11:06 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-tlhp.cf | The Best Quotes of Linus Torvalds: Money, Hardware, Source Code And Most Important Things For All | The Linux Homefront Project | Nov 17 11:06 | |
| schestowitz | https://www.joindiaspora.com/posts/6823774 | Nov 17 11:30 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: Anne Frank foundation moves to keep famous diary copyrighted for 35 more years http://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/2015/11/anne-frank-foundation-moves-to-keep-famous-diary-copyrighted-for-35-more-years/ #copyright milking the dead artists, too | Nov 17 11:30 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights--> arstechnica.com | Anne Frank foundation moves to keep famous diary copyrighted for 35 more years | Ars Technica | Nov 17 11:31 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Kubuntu 15.10 Wily Werewolf - Pretty useless | Nov 17 11:39 |
| TweetTuxMachines | https://t.co/MHSmWeGzVy (www.dedoimedo.com) | Nov 17 11:40 |
| TweetTuxMachines | "Avoid at all costs. 0/10" | Nov 17 11:40 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.dedoimedo.com | Kubuntu 15.10 Wily Werewolf - Pretty useless | Nov 17 11:40 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @Vlsu "Vlsu's Linux Daily" is out! | Nov 17 11:40 |
| TweetTuxMachines | https://t.co/rgXZMWCqqp (paper.li) Stories via | Nov 17 11:40 |
| TweetTuxMachines | @Stekkz @tuxmachines @Cary88888888 | Nov 17 11:40 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-paper.li | Vlsu’s Linux Daily | Nov 17 11:40 | |
| *TweetTuxMachines @softpedialinux favourited 'GNOME Music App Updated for GNOME 3.18.2 with...' | Nov 17 11:40 | |
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| *TweetTuxMachines @softpedialinux favourited 'Linux Mint 17.3 "Rosa" Beta with MATE 1.12...' | Nov 17 11:40 | |
| *TweetTuxMachines @softpedialinux favourited 'GNOME Music App Updated for GNOME 3.18.2 with...' | Nov 17 11:40 | |
| *TweetTuxMachines @softpedialinux favourited 'KDE Plasma 5.5 on Wayland to Feature a...' | Nov 17 11:41 | |
| *TweetTuxMachines @softpedialinux favourited 'ArchEX Live DVD Is Based on Arch Linux,...' | Nov 17 11:44 | |
| *TweetTuxMachines @softpedialinux favourited 'Linux Mint 17.3 "Rosa" Beta with MATE 1.12...' | Nov 17 11:44 | |
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| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Links 17/11/2015: BQ Aquaris Ubuntu Edition in | Nov 17 12:14 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Russia, 4K Samsung Tizen (Linux) TVs | Nov 17 12:15 |
| TweetTuxMachines | https://t.co/Ua2jEnbpjR (techrights.org) | Nov 17 12:15 |
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| *TweetTuxMachines @schestowitz retweeted @tuxmachines: 'Links 17/11/2015: BQ Aquaris Ubuntu Edition in Russia,...' | Nov 17 12:15 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Links 17/11/2015: BQ Aquaris Ubuntu Edition in Russia, 4K Samsung Tizen (Linux) TVs | Techrights | Nov 17 12:15 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Kubuntu 15.10 Wily Werewolf - Pretty useless | Nov 17 12:16 |
| TweetTuxMachines | https://t.co/SYKkUOhTkJ (www.tuxmachines.org) | Nov 17 12:16 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Kubuntu 15.10 Wily Werewolf - Pretty useless | Tux Machines | Nov 17 12:17 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines France votes for open source, Govt. not keen | Nov 17 12:17 |
| TweetTuxMachines | https://t.co/zBj4u0BITh (www.tuxmachines.org) | Nov 17 12:17 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | France votes for open source, Govt. not keen | Tux Machines | Nov 17 12:17 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Security Leftovers https://t.co/ymEWWiNDvB | Nov 17 12:18 |
| TweetTuxMachines | (www.tuxmachines.org) | Nov 17 12:18 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Security Leftovers | Tux Machines | Nov 17 12:18 | |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/krautlandnewsed/status/666594760438775808 | Nov 17 12:41 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@krautlandnewsed: Last time I saw, a couple of years ago, the UK Border Agency airport terminals were running on #WinXP. https://t.co/3V4nsnMm2e | Nov 17 12:41 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz: Another French Tragedy: Only the Insane Would Put #Windows in Airports https://t.co/C4oV0yaE7J #france #taser #conficker | Nov 17 12:41 | |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/Messgorough/status/666598414549913601 | Nov 17 13:11 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@Messgorough: @schestowitz @krautlandnewsed Tesco still run NT! Seriously!! | Nov 17 13:11 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines today's howtos https://t.co/2wbtIO2W6M | Nov 17 13:36 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | today's howtos | Tux Machines | Nov 17 13:36 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines today's leftovers https://t.co/yQba9AfrjX | Nov 17 13:37 |
| TweetTuxMachines | (www.tuxmachines.org) | Nov 17 13:37 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | today's leftovers | Tux Machines | Nov 17 13:38 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Today in Techrights https://t.co/pvL8of1I6b | Nov 17 13:38 |
| TweetTuxMachines | (www.tuxmachines.org) | Nov 17 13:38 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Today in Techrights | Tux Machines | Nov 17 13:39 | |
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| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Plotly to open source its dataviz code | Nov 18 09:35 |
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| liberty_box | On vacation at the moment. It has just been mentioned that I'm threatened by EPO http://www.fosspatents.com/2015/11/epo-labor-dispute-getting-completely.html | Nov 18 09:41 |
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| liberty_box | https://twitter.com/FOSSpatents/status/666913543028088833 | Nov 18 09:47 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@FOSSpatents: @schestowitz @Ipkat Spontaneous SUEPO demo at 12.30 CET in front of EPO main building in Munich. I can't go. Maybe you can obtain pictures. | Nov 18 09:47 | |
| liberty_box | need a mirror (or several) for EPO articles to discourage the EPO from bullying pages (information) out of existence | Nov 18 09:48 |
| liberty_box | cubexyz, feel free to make a mirror of the EPO articles | Nov 18 09:48 |
| liberty_box | others too | Nov 18 09:48 |
| liberty_box | the EPO wants to censor Techrights | Nov 18 09:49 |
| liberty_box | not just internally | Nov 18 09:49 |
| liberty_box | http://techrights.org/wiki/index.php/EPO | Nov 18 09:49 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | EPO - Techrights | Nov 18 09:49 | |
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| MinceR | oiaohm: http://anonscm.debian.org/cgit/pkg-systemd/systemd.git/commit/?h=ubuntu&id=28640752854 | Nov 18 10:44 |
| MinceR | oh snap! | Nov 18 10:44 |
| MinceR | "cgroup notification is unreliable" | Nov 18 10:44 |
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| cubexyz | what is this systemd you speak of? | Nov 18 10:44 |
| cubexyz | it must be from the future :) | Nov 18 10:45 |
| MinceR | :) | Nov 18 10:45 |
| cubexyz | http://www.maxhost.org/other/systemd-gandalf.png | Nov 18 10:49 |
| cubexyz | The noveau-Linux GUI-first crowd doesn't care about Unix Philosophies | Nov 18 10:56 |
| cubexyz | old Linux is fine though | Nov 18 10:57 |
| cubexyz | I've heard from debian wheezy users that upgraded to debian testing that their system would not start | Nov 18 11:04 |
| MinceR | back when debian was stable i didn't see any point in using a non-stable release, other than for developing debian itself | Nov 18 11:05 |
| MinceR | now it doesn't matter, it's a ruin anyway | Nov 18 11:05 |
| cubexyz | well, I noted the date I first installed q4os: aug, 12th, 2015 | Nov 18 11:07 |
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| cubexyz | I know the q4os init is compatible with the System V init | Nov 18 11:09 |
| cubexyz | so that's my "solution" | Nov 18 11:09 |
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| oiaohm | MinceR: sorry I have some bad news "cgroup notification is unreliable." is not exactly true. The cgroup designed listed how notifications how to be set up. Of course for many versions systemd was no doing that right. | Nov 18 14:07 |
| MinceR | oiaohm: the emperor has no clothes | Nov 18 14:08 |
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| MinceR | killing all running cron jobs when restarting cron was also ingenious | Nov 18 14:11 |
| MinceR | especially when one of them ran a system update which updated cron | Nov 18 14:11 |
| oiaohm | systemd is not always the brightest tool on the shelf. | Nov 18 14:12 |
| MinceR | it's shiny, though | Nov 18 14:12 |
| MinceR | the kids love it | Nov 18 14:12 |
| oiaohm | Also systemd is not the only init system on Unix to pull kill all cron when restarting it. | Nov 18 14:13 |
| oiaohm | smf on solaris when it first wrapped stuff in zones also did that stunt. | Nov 18 14:13 |
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| oiaohm | MinceR: also remember under cron under sysvinit it was possible to end up with a growing stack of jammed processes under cron as well. | Nov 18 14:15 |
| oiaohm | Attempting to fix the cron failures in sysvinit end up for solaris and systemd developers creating another set of failures. | Nov 18 14:16 |
| MinceR | no, this was created by cargoculting cgroups | Nov 18 14:16 |
| oiaohm | zones is solaris kernel cgroups. | Nov 18 14:17 |
| MinceR | i doubt they're the same | Nov 18 14:17 |
| oiaohm | Tracking all the processes of a service and attempting to enforce clean service shutdown if you are not careful leads to termination. | Nov 18 14:17 |
| oiaohm | Of what you should not be terminating. | Nov 18 14:18 |
| MinceR | cron jobs are not "processes of a service" | Nov 18 14:18 |
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| oiaohm | MinceR: sorry you made a mistake. | Nov 18 14:19 |
| oiaohm | crond runs sub processes that are the cron jobs. | Nov 18 14:19 |
| oiaohm | Now if you have wrapped crond in a zone or a cgroup then enforce termination you are going to kill a little too much. | Nov 18 14:19 |
| MinceR | oiaohm: sorry, you made a mistake. | Nov 18 14:20 |
| MinceR | if cron jobs are "processes of a service", then everything running on your system is just "processes of init" | Nov 18 14:20 |
| MinceR | so stopping a service is just shutting down | Nov 18 14:20 |
| MinceR | and restarting a service is just rebooting | Nov 18 14:20 |
| MinceR | and guess what cancerd did to crond | Nov 18 14:21 |
| oiaohm | smf also rewrote crond to something that allowed each cron job to get its own zone. | Nov 18 14:21 |
| MinceR | gnu/linux has no obligation to copy slowlaris design flaws | Nov 18 14:22 |
| oiaohm | Yes everything is a subprocess of PID 1 under Linux. That is why a disconnected process end up connected to PID1 is that everything is processes off PID1. | Nov 18 14:22 |
| oiaohm | Problem is some of these faults will just happen as soon as you attempt to implement proper process tracking and containment. | Nov 18 14:23 |
| oiaohm | Even upstart ptrace based solution screwed crond over. | Nov 18 14:24 |
| MinceR | can you quote me saying upstart isn't broken? | Nov 18 14:24 |
| oiaohm | deamontools before upstart with crond also had issues with forced termiantion. | Nov 18 14:25 |
| MinceR | also, what cancerd does is not "implement proper process tracking and containment.", it's very far from that | Nov 18 14:25 |
| MinceR | and yet i don't see any desktop environment try to force upstart or daemontools on users, somehow | Nov 18 14:26 |
| XRevan86 | MinceR: Unity | Nov 18 14:26 |
| oiaohm | upstart was forced on a lot of users and no one noticed MinceR | Nov 18 14:26 |
| oiaohm | Because it used the same sysvinit configuration files. | Nov 18 14:26 |
| oiaohm | Ok not many noticed. | Nov 18 14:26 |
| MinceR | and yet it could be swapped out again | Nov 18 14:26 |
| MinceR | n00buntu replaced it with systemd | Nov 18 14:26 |
| XRevan86 | upstart has API Unity uses even now | Nov 18 14:27 |
| MinceR | can you replace systemd with something else? no. | Nov 18 14:27 |
| oiaohm | Note what XRevan86 said MinceR | Nov 18 14:27 |
| oiaohm | Ubuntu swaping back to sysvinit from upstart caused thing to get badly upset | Nov 18 14:27 |
| MinceR | so what you're saying is that systemd being broken is OK, because upstart was almost as broken? | Nov 18 14:28 |
| oiaohm | upstart was more broken. | Nov 18 14:28 |
| oiaohm | Than systemd if you look under hood. | Nov 18 14:29 |
| roy_away | https://twitter.com/IAM_magazine/status/666985819769585664 | Nov 18 14:29 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@IAM_magazine: Meet Dr Roy - open to all opinions and without any kind of agenda P https://t.co/GVGXCxzFds | Nov 18 14:29 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz: Echo chamber at work https://t.co/Na0mzjxUYh #patent profiteers speak to other patent profiteers (like arms industry) | Nov 18 14:29 | |
| oiaohm | By the time you guys started complaining it was too late. | Nov 18 14:29 |
| MinceR | yes, systemd fans believe systemd is not broken | Nov 18 14:29 |
| MinceR | ignore everything, pretend the emperor is not naked | Nov 18 14:29 |
| MinceR | < anon> anon: no reason to be shy here, with GNU/systemd (read: "debian") i had major issues over the last months and endless debugging sessions trying to | Nov 18 14:29 |
| MinceR | migrate my init-scripts (which truely are sophisticated and/or complex sometimes) to a systemd unit. oh jesus don't get me started. | Nov 18 14:30 |
| MinceR | < anon> anon: ended up using freebsd again as a desktop system because i seriously couldn't stand the stability of systemd anymore. | Nov 18 14:30 |
| MinceR | < anon> deployments breaking, systems failing to come up because they eternally wait for running start/stop jobs, all that crap. | Nov 18 14:30 |
| MinceR | < anon> it's impressive how heavy kay and lennart managed to break a whole landscape of distributions with this crap. | Nov 18 14:30 |
| MinceR | the cancerd success story | Nov 18 14:30 |
| oiaohm | There are more than 1 side to every story. | Nov 18 14:31 |
| oiaohm | https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCvq_RgZp3kljp9X8Io9Z1DA | Nov 18 14:32 |
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| oiaohm | for every horible story there are some stories showing what systemd does well. | Nov 18 14:32 |
| oiaohm | Of course I don't say systemd is perfect. It still has it faults. | Nov 18 14:33 |
| oiaohm | MinceR: https://github.com/systemd/systemd/blob/dd050decb6ad131ebdeabb71c4f9ecb4733269c0/NEWS I guess you have not read the 288 new features. | Nov 18 14:40 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-github.com | systemd/NEWS at dd050decb6ad131ebdeabb71c4f9ecb4733269c0 · systemd/systemd · GitHub | Nov 18 14:40 | |
| oiaohm | MinceR: DefaultTasksMax= is a nice new nasty supprise. Of course this is attempting to prevent services from consuming the system out of house and home. | Nov 18 14:41 |
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| cubexyz | I don't even think vector starts crond | Nov 18 14:57 |
| cubexyz | must have turn it off at some point | Nov 18 15:00 |
| roy_away | https://joindiaspora.com/posts/6827256 | Nov 18 15:29 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: Comment: #epo "has become a laughing stock and a byword for a dictatorial management style" http://techrights.org/2015/11/10/epo-and-microsoft-commonality/ | Nov 18 15:29 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights--> techrights.org | New Reports Highlight Need to Crack Down on the European Patent Office and Microsoft | Techrights | Nov 18 15:29 | |
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| lirodon | So Visual Studio Code is MIT licensed now | Nov 18 16:51 |
| lirodon | meh, you'd probably rather use emacs | Nov 18 16:56 |
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| msb__ | cubexyz: Says here Q4OS uses systemd: http://distrowatch.com/table.php?distribution=q4os | Nov 19 18:57 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-distrowatch.com | DistroWatch.com: Q4OS | Nov 19 18:57 | |
| msb__ | How can it be a solution? | Nov 19 18:57 |
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| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Nvidia Driver Now Supports Xorg 1.18, It's | Nov 19 20:02 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Nvidia Driver Now Supports Xorg 1.18, It's Getting Difficult to Track Them All | Tux Machines | Nov 19 20:03 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines KDE Plasma 5.5 Beta Has Too Many New Features | Nov 19 20:03 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | KDE Plasma 5.5 Beta Has Too Many New Features to Count and Over 1000 Fixes | Tux Machines | Nov 19 20:03 | |
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| r_schestowitz | [18:57] <msb__> cubexyz: Says here Q4OS uses systemd: http://distrowatch.com/table.php?distribution=q4os | Nov 19 20:33 |
| r_schestowitz | Few don't | Nov 19 20:33 |
| r_schestowitz | and those that don't might suffer | Nov 19 20:33 |
| r_schestowitz | like those who insist on staying with Trinity and/or KDE4 (like PCLOS) | Nov 19 20:33 |
| r_schestowitz | When Debian caved in to Red Hat it had a chain reacton | Nov 19 20:34 |
| r_schestowitz | Many Ubuntu which is based on Debian, so.... | Nov 19 20:34 |
| msb__ | r_schestowitz: What does KDE5/Plasma do that is really beneficial? It just includes a huge amount of bling and bloat. | Nov 19 20:36 |
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| msb__ | I've used KDE3 for many years, and, along with konsole and mc, and a bunch of scripts I've written, it does everything I want, fast and efficiently. | Nov 19 20:38 |
| msb__ | I think a lot of "improvements" are simply changes by programmers who have nothing else to do. One of the most important principles of software engineering is, "If it ain't broke, don't fix it." | Nov 19 20:40 |
| msb__ | A shell, GUI or CLI (I use both together) should provide a minimal user interface to the OS -- enough to do what the user wants, and no more. My system does that. | Nov 19 20:42 |
| msb__ | The purpose of a shell is not to look pretty, nor to provide an infinite number of "bling" customizations. It's purpose is to do what the user wants, and otherwise keep out of the way. If the user wants to look at something pretty, s/he can view a picture or watch a video. I don't even use a background picture, because it would distract the eye, making it hard to locate, e.g., a desired window, and because it would get boring after | Nov 19 20:46 |
| msb__ | a while. | Nov 19 20:46 |
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| msb__ | As to systemd, I most certainly do not want an enormous pile of crud that is so complicated that nobody can understand it or predict what it will do (and I'm just talking about it's init system here), to be in total control of my computer. It's hard to imagine a more stupid move than using systemd, even if it isn't used to hide a backdoor through which the US government can kill every Linux computer. | Nov 19 20:51 |
| msb__ | it's --> its | Nov 19 20:52 |
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| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Ubuntu 15.10 review: Wily Werewolf leaves scary | Nov 19 21:22 |
| TweetTuxMachines | experimentation for next year | Nov 19 21:22 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Ubuntu 15.10 review: Wily Werewolf leaves scary experimentation for next year | Tux Machines | Nov 19 21:22 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines GeekBox is an Android & Ubuntu mini PC… and | Nov 19 21:23 |
| TweetTuxMachines | developer platform https://t.co/4Ul9qGk9mW | Nov 19 21:23 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | GeekBox is an Android & Ubuntu mini PC… and developer platform | Tux Machines | Nov 19 21:23 | |
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| TweetTuxMachines | longer-lasting, Linux-fortified | Nov 19 21:23 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Mirantis Open Source Fuel Cloud Deployment Tool Joins OpenStack Tent | Tux Machines | Nov 19 22:42 | |
| *TweetTuxMachines @AlfredKGlover favourited 'Mirantis Open Source Fuel Cloud Deployment Tool Joins...' | Nov 19 22:42 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Red Hat adds up-to-date languages to RHEL | Nov 19 23:44 |
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| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Ubuntu Touch OTA-8 Is Now Live, New Features | Nov 20 00:02 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Ubuntu Touch OTA-8 Is Now Live, New Features Start Landing for OTA-9 | Tux Machines | Nov 20 00:02 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines i.MX6 SoloX COM sports dual GbE controllers | Nov 20 00:02 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | i.MX6 SoloX COM sports dual GbE controllers | Tux Machines | Nov 20 00:02 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines If it's not practical to redistribute free | Nov 20 00:02 |
| TweetTuxMachines | software, it's not free software in practice | Nov 20 00:02 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | If it's not practical to redistribute free software, it's not free software in practice | Tux Machines | Nov 20 00:02 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Clonezilla Live 2.4.3-3 Linux Distro Adds | Nov 20 00:13 |
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| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/alvfig/status/667495361762738177 https://twitter.com/eliaspraciano/status/667489213785444354 | Nov 20 00:14 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@alvfig: @eliaspraciano @coisasdogeek @hgfernan @Mackellsud @Darkwings1Mr @schestowitz @brigserman @sapo2025 @ro7_so67 valeu, ótimo fim de semana! | Nov 20 00:14 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@eliaspraciano: @coisasdogeek @alvfig @hgfernan @Mackellsud @Darkwings1Mr @schestowitz @brigserman @sapo2025 @ro7_so67 bom final de semana! | Nov 20 00:14 | |
| cubexyz | schestowitz, the version of Q4OS I am using doesn't use systemd | Nov 20 00:39 |
| MinceR | is it an older release? | Nov 20 00:40 |
| cubexyz | it's based on debian wheezy and I removed systemd | Nov 20 00:41 |
| MinceR | ic | Nov 20 00:41 |
| cubexyz | there could be other versions of q4os that do have it by default | Nov 20 00:41 |
| cubexyz | as with AntiX you merely do: apt-get remove systemd | Nov 20 00:42 |
| cubexyz | I wrote a short review of AntiX: | Nov 20 00:44 |
| cubexyz | http://cubexyz.blogspot.ca/search?q=AntiX | Nov 20 00:44 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-cubexyz.blogspot.ca | Notes on Linux | Nov 20 00:44 | |
| cubexyz | all the sysv stuff is supported | Nov 20 00:44 |
| cubexyz | so if you came from the sysv world you'll be comfortable | Nov 20 00:45 |
| cubexyz | it's the same in wheezy itself of course, it is easy to remove systemd from it | Nov 20 00:46 |
| cubexyz | KDE3 people would also be at home with q4os | Nov 20 00:47 |
| cubexyz | that's the main reason why I tried it actually, because trinity was rolled in and ready to go | Nov 20 00:47 |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/sapo2025/status/667504109386379266 | Nov 20 00:48 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@sapo2025: @eliaspraciano @coisasdogeek @alvfig @hgfernan @Mackellsud @Darkwings1Mr @schestowitz @brigserman @ro7_so67 Ótima Sexta-Feira à todos | Nov 20 00:48 | |
| schestowitz | I'm stuck with systemd now | Nov 20 00:49 |
| schestowitz | I'm not sure what it is I'm not liking, Kubuntu, KF5, or systemd (or some of them combined) | Nov 20 00:49 |
| schestowitz | But it's still a mess | Nov 20 00:49 |
| schestowitz | I miss kde4 | Nov 20 00:49 |
| cubexyz | if you're not sure about a distro using systemd always do a "man init" and look for sysv | Nov 20 00:49 |
| schestowitz | when moving to kde4 permanently I didn't miss kde3 as much | Nov 20 00:49 |
| cubexyz | if it doesn't mention sysv at all, you're probably in systemd-land | Nov 20 00:49 |
| schestowitz | red land | Nov 20 00:50 |
| cubexyz | schestowitz, give q4os a try | Nov 20 00:50 |
| cubexyz | it's got the KDE4 stuff as well | Nov 20 00:50 |
| schestowitz | naaa.... too late now | Nov 20 00:50 |
| cubexyz | it is a hybrid of trinity + KDE4 parts | Nov 20 00:50 |
| schestowitz | my settings are in qt5/kf5 format | Nov 20 00:50 |
| schestowitz | I might as well just 'pray' kf5 will be redeemed in due some and the mess resolved | Nov 20 00:51 |
| schestowitz | /some/time/ | Nov 20 00:51 |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/sapo2025/status/667505276539576320 | Nov 20 00:51 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@sapo2025: @alvfig @eliaspraciano @coisasdogeek @hgfernan @Mackellsud @Darkwings1Mr @schestowitz @brigserman @ro7_so67 ihhhh.. Eu trampo... 😭😭😭 | Nov 20 00:51 | |
| cubexyz | /sbin/runlevel reports N 2, just like FC1 | Nov 20 00:52 |
| msb__ | what does locate sbin/init report? | Nov 20 00:54 |
| cubexyz | /sbin/init | Nov 20 00:54 |
| msb__ | same here | Nov 20 00:55 |
| msb__ | may be more accurate than relying on man pages | Nov 20 00:55 |
| cubexyz | if you do man init on a systemd system it will say: "systemd, init - systemd System and Service Manager" | Nov 20 00:57 |
| cubexyz | if you try q4os the first thing to do is: apt-get remove systemd | Nov 20 00:58 |
| msb__ | Will that work on the Jessie version? | Nov 20 00:59 |
| cubexyz | no, it's a lot more work to remove systemd on jessie | Nov 20 00:59 |
| cubexyz | http://without-systemd.org/wiki/index.php/How_to_remove_systemd_from_a_Debian_jessie/sid_installation | Nov 20 01:00 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-without-systemd.org | How to remove systemd from a Debian jessie/sid installation - Without Systemd | Nov 20 01:00 | |
| cubexyz | but it's not too bad | Nov 20 01:00 |
| MinceR | i tend to check the command name in ps -p 1 | Nov 20 01:01 |
| MinceR | but i'm not sure how reliable that is | Nov 20 01:01 |
| MinceR | also, ps auxw|grep systemd | Nov 20 01:01 |
| MinceR | (or logind) | Nov 20 01:02 |
| cubexyz | right, that should report systemd if it's using it | Nov 20 01:03 |
| cubexyz | I have one systemd machine just for knowledge reasons, but the other 9 are not :) | Nov 20 01:03 |
| cubexyz | also one can do: dpkg-query -l *sysv* | Nov 20 01:07 |
| cubexyz | that should find all the sysv packages | Nov 20 01:07 |
| cubexyz | my advice is if you're not sure which distro to pick is to set up a secondary or tetiary box for experimenting purposes | Nov 20 01:12 |
| cubexyz | don't depend on one distro for everything | Nov 20 01:12 |
| cubexyz | tertiary... | Nov 20 01:12 |
| cubexyz | I'm seeing lots of complaints about Ubuntu on the net these days | Nov 20 01:14 |
| cubexyz | if you want Debian, AntiX or Q4OS are fine | Nov 20 01:15 |
| *TweetTuxMachines @softpedialinux favourited 'Clonezilla Live 2.4.3-3 Linux Distro Adds Support for...' | Nov 20 01:15 | |
| *TweetTuxMachines @softpedialinux favourited 'Ubuntu Touch OTA-8 Is Now Live, New Features...' | Nov 20 01:15 | |
| cubexyz | personally I think Q4OS is a bit more interesting, but both are OK | Nov 20 01:15 |
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| cubexyz | here's some q4os notes for starters: | Nov 20 01:17 |
| cubexyz | http://www.maxhost.org/other/q4os-notes.txt | Nov 20 01:17 |
| cubexyz | I'll add more to it as time goes by | Nov 20 01:18 |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines GNOME 3.19.2 unstable tarballs due | Nov 20 01:19 |
| TweetTuxMachines | https://t.co/uD0E8s0qPP (www.tuxmachines.org) | Nov 20 01:19 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | GNOME 3.19.2 unstable tarballs due | Tux Machines | Nov 20 01:19 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines 8 ways Red Hat’s CMO is building a modern | Nov 20 01:19 |
| TweetTuxMachines | marketing strategy https://t.co/TR4xLt12hi | Nov 20 01:19 |
| TweetTuxMachines | (www.tuxmachines.org) | Nov 20 01:19 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | 8 ways Red Hat’s CMO is building a modern marketing strategy | Tux Machines | Nov 20 01:19 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines How were Linux kernel servers rooted four years | Nov 20 01:19 |
| TweetTuxMachines | ago? https://t.co/z2Co01Y5sX | Nov 20 01:19 |
| TweetTuxMachines | (www.tuxmachines.org) | Nov 20 01:19 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | How were Linux kernel servers rooted four years ago? | Tux Machines | Nov 20 01:19 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Ubuntu Core to Power #MagicStick , the Most | Nov 20 01:30 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Powerful PC Stick Ever Made | Nov 20 01:30 |
| TweetTuxMachines | https://t.co/GWGxpbVdml (news.softpedia.com) | Nov 20 01:30 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-news.softpedia.com | Ubuntu Core to Power MagicStick, the Most Powerful PC Stick Ever Made | Nov 20 01:30 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Service composition in GuixSD | Nov 20 01:30 |
| TweetTuxMachines | https://t.co/pQrhgROB8G (savannah.gnu.org) | Nov 20 01:30 |
| TweetTuxMachines | "GuixSD is not like your parents’ distro." | Nov 20 01:30 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-savannah.gnu.org | GNU Guix - News: Service composition in GuixSD [Savannah] | Nov 20 01:30 | |
| *TweetTuxMachines @softpedialinux favourited 'Ubuntu Core to Power #MagicStick , the Most...' | Nov 20 01:40 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Android/Linux In Europe, Nov 2015 | Nov 20 01:40 |
| TweetTuxMachines | https://t.co/rwzW8rTN8F (mrpogson.com) | Nov 20 01:40 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-mrpogson.com | Android/Linux In Europe, Nov 2015 | Robert Pogson | Nov 20 01:40 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Summertime Retreat https://t.co/keQMs3mePd | Nov 20 01:40 |
| TweetTuxMachines | (schestowitz.com) | Nov 20 01:40 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-schestowitz.com | Summertime Retreat | Nov 20 01:40 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Gabe Newell Simulator Looks Like It's Adding | Nov 20 01:48 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Linux Support, Oh My https://t.co/BRR1JDnRP6 | Nov 20 01:48 |
| TweetTuxMachines | (www.gamingonlinux.com) | Nov 20 01:48 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.gamingonlinux.com | Gabe Newell Simulator Looks Like It's Adding Linux Support, Oh My | GamingOnLinux | Nov 20 01:48 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Storm in a teacup: Wileyfox does Android | Nov 20 01:49 |
| TweetTuxMachines | cheapie, British style https://t.co/2vd2RO6Nsb | Nov 20 01:49 |
| TweetTuxMachines | (www.theregister.co.uk) | Nov 20 01:49 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.theregister.co.uk | Storm in a teacup: Wileyfox does Android cheapie, British style • The Register | Nov 20 01:49 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines ZigBee home automation design kits use | Nov 20 01:49 |
| TweetTuxMachines | RPi-based gateway https://t.co/7D3XydiqnA | Nov 20 01:49 |
| TweetTuxMachines | (linuxgizmos.com) | Nov 20 01:49 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-linuxgizmos.com | ZigBee home automation design kits use RPi-based gateway · LinuxGizmos.com | Nov 20 01:49 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Solus 1.0 Operating System to Launch Before | Nov 20 01:49 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Christmas https://t.co/OJagluDj9b | Nov 20 01:49 |
| TweetTuxMachines | (news.softpedia.com) | Nov 20 01:49 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-news.softpedia.com | Solus 1.0 Operating System to Launch Before Christmas | Nov 20 01:49 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Ubuntu Touch OTA-8 Update Officially Released | Nov 20 01:54 |
| TweetTuxMachines | https://t.co/CybQS3XRTO (news.softpedia.com) | Nov 20 01:54 |
| TweetTuxMachines | https://t.co/FyqutCkfjO (news.softpedia.com) | Nov 20 01:54 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-news.softpedia.com | Ubuntu Touch OTA-8 Update Officially Released | Nov 20 01:54 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-news.softpedia.com | Ubuntu Touch OTA-8 Is Now Live, New Features Start Landing for OTA-9 | Nov 20 01:54 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Nvidia Driver Now Supports Xorg 1.18, It's | Nov 20 01:54 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Getting Difficult to Track Them All | Nov 20 01:54 |
| TweetTuxMachines | https://t.co/hSVeGmJ7r8 (news.softpedia.com) | Nov 20 01:54 |
| TweetTuxMachines | ........................................ http://ur1.ca/oal84 | Nov 20 01:54 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-news.softpedia.com | Nvidia Driver Now Supports Xorg 1.18, It's Getting Difficult to Track Them All | Nov 20 01:54 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Ubuntu 15.10 review: Wily Werewolf leaves scary | Nov 20 01:54 |
| TweetTuxMachines | experimentation for next year | Nov 20 01:54 |
| TweetTuxMachines | https://t.co/CS4DBXEU8C (arstechnica.com) | Nov 20 01:54 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-arstechnica.com | Ubuntu 15.10 review: Wily Werewolf leaves scary experimentation for next year | Ars Technica | Nov 20 01:54 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines KDE Plasma 5.5 Beta Has Too Many New Features | Nov 20 01:55 |
| TweetTuxMachines | to Count and Over 1000 Fixes | Nov 20 01:55 |
| TweetTuxMachines | https://t.co/REMhoTatFD (news.softpedia.com) | Nov 20 01:55 |
| TweetTuxMachines | ........................................ http://ur1.ca/oalcq | Nov 20 01:55 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-news.softpedia.com | KDE Plasma 5.5 Beta Has Too Many New Features to Count and Over 1000 Fixes | Nov 20 01:55 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines GeekBox is an Android & Ubuntu mini PC… and | Nov 20 01:55 |
| TweetTuxMachines | developer platform https://t.co/2AM8eDvSdX | Nov 20 01:55 |
| TweetTuxMachines | (liliputing.com) | Nov 20 01:55 |
| TweetTuxMachines | ........................................ http://ur1.ca/oalcv | Nov 20 01:55 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-liliputing.com | GeekBox is an Android & Ubuntu mini PC... and developer platform - Liliputing | Nov 20 01:55 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Parrot’s Bebop 2: smaller, faster, | Nov 20 01:56 |
| TweetTuxMachines | longer-lasting, Linux-fortified | Nov 20 01:56 |
| TweetTuxMachines | https://t.co/Shh2gqxsCl (linuxgizmos.com) | Nov 20 01:56 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-linuxgizmos.com | Parrot's Bebop 2: smaller, faster, longer-lasting, Linux-fortified · LinuxGizmos.com | Nov 20 01:56 | |
| *TweetTuxMachines @softpedialinux favourited 'Solus 1.0 Operating System to Launch Before Christmas...' | Nov 20 01:56 | |
| *TweetTuxMachines @softpedialinux favourited 'Ubuntu Touch OTA-8 Update Officially Released https://t.co/CybQS3XRTO https://t.co/FyqutCkfjO' | Nov 20 01:56 | |
| *TweetTuxMachines @softpedialinux favourited 'Nvidia Driver Now Supports Xorg 1.18, It's Getting...' | Nov 20 01:56 | |
| *TweetTuxMachines @softpedialinux favourited 'KDE Plasma 5.5 Beta Has Too Many New...' | Nov 20 01:56 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-news.softpedia.com | Ubuntu Touch OTA-8 Update Officially Released | Nov 20 01:56 | |
| *TweetTuxMachines @techmuser favourited 'Parrot’s Bebop 2: smaller, faster, longer-lasting, Linux-fortified https://t.co/Shh2gqxsCl' | Nov 20 01:56 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Red Hat adds up-to-date languages to RHEL | Nov 20 01:56 |
| TweetTuxMachines | https://t.co/lLlHIhtIEt (www.zdnet.com) | Nov 20 01:56 |
| TweetTuxMachines | ........................................ http://ur1.ca/oaldp | Nov 20 01:56 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.zdnet.com | Red Hat adds up-to-date languages to RHEL | ZDNet | Nov 20 01:56 | |
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| *Now talking on #techrights | Nov 20 11:27 | |
| *Topic for #techrights is: TechRights.org | Channel #techrights for http://TechRights.org :: please also join channels #boycottnovell-social #techbytes and #boycottnovell | Nov 20 11:27 | |
| *Topic for #techrights set by schestowitz!~schestowi@unaffiliated/schestowitz at Sat Jun 9 18:16:19 2012 | Nov 20 11:27 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines More Red Hat News https://t.co/XlyWq5jGKO | Nov 20 11:52 |
| TweetTuxMachines | (www.tuxmachines.org) | Nov 20 11:52 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | More Red Hat News | Tux Machines | Nov 20 11:52 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Leftovers: Gaming https://t.co/qh5A54jU1C | Nov 20 11:53 |
| TweetTuxMachines | (www.tuxmachines.org) | Nov 20 11:53 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Leftovers: Gaming | Tux Machines | Nov 20 11:53 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines today's howtos https://t.co/6VcD18WPFk | Nov 20 11:54 |
| TweetTuxMachines | (www.tuxmachines.org) | Nov 20 11:54 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | today's howtos | Tux Machines | Nov 20 11:54 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Leftovers: Kernel https://t.co/wSqzJWpCbS | Nov 20 12:15 |
| TweetTuxMachines | (www.tuxmachines.org) | Nov 20 12:15 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Leftovers: Kernel | Tux Machines | Nov 20 12:15 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Leftovers: Software https://t.co/aNEteVLAs4 | Nov 20 12:15 |
| TweetTuxMachines | (www.tuxmachines.org) | Nov 20 12:15 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Leftovers: Software | Tux Machines | Nov 20 12:15 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Links 20/11/2015: DockerCon EU, Red Hat | Nov 20 12:16 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Enterprise Linux 7.2 https://t.co/fbkhRMLiJu | Nov 20 12:16 |
| TweetTuxMachines | (techrights.org) | Nov 20 12:16 |
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| *TweetTuxMachines @schestowitz retweeted @tuxmachines: 'Links 20/11/2015: DockerCon EU, Red Hat Enterprise Linux...' | Nov 20 12:16 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Links 20/11/2015: DockerCon EU, Red Hat Enterprise Linux 7.2 | Techrights | Nov 20 12:16 | |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/Sheikh_al_Touar/status/667678874604539904 | Nov 20 12:29 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@Sheikh_al_Touar: Based on my own experience & on feedback received, your work is appreciated & valued, this isn't a rumor but a fact! https://t.co/lmsuY0zIM6 | Nov 20 12:29 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz: Nice to see people appreciating sacrifice https://t.co/EjhRZjlKv2 htt... https://t.co/BfcuHn2h3k | Nov 20 12:29 | |
| *TweetTuxMachines @The_Code_Shirts retweeted @tuxmachines: 'Links 20/11/2015: DockerCon EU, Red Hat Enterprise Linux...' | Nov 20 12:43 | |
| *TweetTuxMachines @softpedialinux favourited 'Snappy Ubuntu Core 16.04 Images to Drop the...' | Nov 20 12:43 | |
| *TweetTuxMachines @softpedialinux favourited 'Latest Ubuntu SDK Release Drops All Qt Dependencies,...' | Nov 20 12:43 | |
| *TweetTuxMachines @softpedialinux favourited 'Pitivi Open-Source Video Editor Gets New Beta Release,...' | Nov 20 13:22 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines More From DockerCon https://t.co/vmeQVM6dZr | Nov 20 13:22 |
| TweetTuxMachines | (www.tuxmachines.org) | Nov 20 13:22 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | More From DockerCon | Tux Machines | Nov 20 13:22 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines today's leftovers https://t.co/XPFPK2SNgW | Nov 20 13:22 |
| TweetTuxMachines | (www.tuxmachines.org) | Nov 20 13:22 |
| TweetTuxMachines | ........................................ http://ur1.ca/oaobt | Nov 20 13:22 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | today's leftovers | Tux Machines | Nov 20 13:22 | |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/sapo2025/status/667711062880477185 | Nov 20 14:47 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@sapo2025: @alvfig @eliaspraciano @coisasdogeek @hgfernan @Mackellsud @Darkwings1Mr @schestowitz @brigserman @ro7_so67 consciência negra?dia de Índio! | Nov 20 14:47 | |
| schestowitz | http://ipkitten.blogspot.co.uk/ | Nov 20 14:51 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-ipkitten.blogspot.co.uk | The IPKat | Nov 20 14:51 | |
| schestowitz | "Around the weblogs 2. Mark Anderson's ever-useful IP Draughts turns its attention to common pitfalls in IP licensing: they are (i) wrong type of transaction, (ii) mismatch of expectations, (iii) wrong mindset for negotiating deal and (iv) being locked into a long-term, loveless relationship. If you want to list any further pitfalls, do post them on Mark's blog. Aistemos asks whether the terms "disruptive innovation" and "disruptive | Nov 20 14:51 |
| schestowitz | technology" are a help or a hindrance to current innovation and investment analyses, and also takes a look at the distribution and ownership of aquaculture patents in today's herding catfish post. Latest European Patent Office-related blogposts: FOSS Patents, here; Techrights, here. The EPO Blog itself reports on a successful start for PCT Direct." | Nov 20 14:51 |
| schestowitz | " Techrights here, here and here; to the contrary effect, see WIPR here and IAM here" | Nov 20 14:51 |
| schestowitz | http://ipkitten.blogspot.co.uk/2015/11/labouring-point-epo-dispute-culture.html | Nov 20 14:51 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-ipkitten.blogspot.co.uk | The IPKat: Labouring the point? EPO dispute culture festers; the contagion spreads | Nov 20 14:51 | |
| schestowitz | " This moggy is not the first blogger to pass comment on the problem. Many readers have already spotted "The International Labour Organisation Highlights Problems of Broader Dimensions at EPO", posted on Roy Schestowitz's Techrights blog, which summarises matters succinctly:" | Nov 20 14:51 |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Improving accessibility for 8 open source | Nov 20 14:52 |
| TweetTuxMachines | projects https://t.co/toj7Jbis7i | Nov 20 14:52 |
| TweetTuxMachines | (www.tuxmachines.org) | Nov 20 14:52 |
| schestowitz | http://ipkitten.blogspot.co.uk/2015/11/labouring-point-epo-dispute-culture.html | Nov 20 14:52 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Improving accessibility for 8 open source projects | Tux Machines | Nov 20 14:52 | |
| schestowitz | " Worth reading http://techrights.org/2015/11/04/epo-iu-secret-matters/ for background to the EPO investigation procedure. Usually, that member of the parish's comments are a bit OTT for my tastes but this time the last contribution seems to explain clearly the power grab by the President which has basically given himself the right to override everybody else's 'rights' and which is one cause of the number of ILO appeals since there is no | Nov 20 14:52 |
| schestowitz | other way to seek even the slightest hope of justice." | Nov 20 14:52 |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Linux monitoring tools to keep your hardware | Nov 20 14:52 |
| TweetTuxMachines | cool https://t.co/P5cQt9sMYm | Nov 20 14:52 |
| TweetTuxMachines | (www.tuxmachines.org) | Nov 20 14:52 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | The EPO’s Investigative Unit Exposed: Part I | Techrights | Nov 20 14:52 | |
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| schestowitz | " | Nov 20 14:52 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Linux monitoring tools to keep your hardware cool | Tux Machines | Nov 20 14:52 | |
| schestowitz | Now there's a follow-on article ... | Nov 20 14:52 |
| schestowitz | The EPO’s Investigative Unit Exposed: Part II | Nov 20 14:52 |
| schestowitz | " | Nov 20 14:52 |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Unity 8 for Ubuntu Desktop Explained - What You | Nov 20 14:52 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Need to Know https://t.co/oniQTqfu07 | Nov 20 14:52 |
| schestowitz | " | Nov 20 14:52 |
| TweetTuxMachines | (www.tuxmachines.org) | Nov 20 14:52 |
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| schestowitz | Part III has just been published. | Nov 20 14:52 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Unity 8 for Ubuntu Desktop Explained - What You Need to Know | Tux Machines | Nov 20 14:52 | |
| schestowitz | The EPO’s Investigative Unit Exposed: Part III | Nov 20 14:52 |
| schestowitz | Looks like there is more to follow ... | Nov 20 14:53 |
| schestowitz | " | Nov 20 14:53 |
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| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/laurelrusswurm/status/667721499147501568 | Nov 20 15:14 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@laurelrusswurm: @schestowitz The reason states have always been willing to establish #copyright monopoly is to facilitate censorship. | Nov 20 15:14 | |
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| schestowitz | jgay: ping | Nov 20 15:16 |
| jgay | schestowitz, hello! | Nov 20 15:16 |
| schestowitz | I want to ask you something | Nov 20 15:16 |
| schestowitz | Has the FSF looked into the patent agreement between Red Hat and Microsoft? Piana and Tiller would claim it's GPL compatible, but the wording in the FAQ make it look exclusionary and there's no transparency.. | Nov 20 15:17 |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines How To Fix Time Difference Between Ubuntu And | Nov 20 15:41 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Windows https://t.co/2EJySKDIsk | Nov 20 15:41 |
| TweetTuxMachines | (www.tuxmachines.org) | Nov 20 15:41 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | How To Fix Time Difference Between Ubuntu And Windows | Tux Machines | Nov 20 15:41 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Today in Techrights https://t.co/NpEDFFKQdt | Nov 20 15:42 |
| TweetTuxMachines | (www.tuxmachines.org) | Nov 20 15:42 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Today in Techrights | Tux Machines | Nov 20 15:42 | |
| schestowitz | jgay: no comment? | Nov 20 15:52 |
| schestowitz | Can you please ask around, for us...? | Nov 20 15:52 |
| jgay | schestowitz, hi, sorry, I had just signed on for the day and got sucked down the rabbit hole of email, etc | Nov 20 15:52 |
| schestowitz | ah, ok, no rush :) | Nov 20 15:53 |
| schestowitz | I thought about mailing RMS about it, but haven't (yet) | Nov 20 15:53 |
| jgay | schestowitz, emailing me and/or licensing@fsf.org will save us all a step anyhow, so pinging me was the right thing to do | Nov 20 15:53 |
| jgay | because most likely RMS's next step would be to forward your email to me and then ask me to look into it :_) | Nov 20 15:54 |
| jgay | :-) | Nov 20 15:54 |
| schestowitz | ok, thanks | Nov 20 15:59 |
| MinceR | and even if it was legally GPL-compatible, it's still against the spirit of the GPL just like the novell deal was | Nov 20 16:00 |
| MinceR | (iirc they say it only applies to their customers) | Nov 20 16:00 |
| schestowitz | Novell's was different | Nov 20 16:01 |
| schestowitz | but we need to actually understand what Red Hat agreed with MS on | Nov 20 16:01 |
| schestowitz | as Microsoft can use this behind closed doors against other companies, for pressure/leverage... | Nov 20 16:02 |
| jgay | schestowitz, I have not looked into this matter yet personally. I'm going to discuss it internally and then I'll let you know if we have an opinion we are ready to share publicly yet about it | Nov 20 16:12 |
| jgay | schestowitz, also, just a heads-up, I think I'll be publishing a couple press releases, probably on Monday and Tuesday of next week ... just in case you need to gas up the old tux machine ahead of time :-) | Nov 20 16:13 |
| schestowitz | ah, good, well, both myself and my wife and subscribed to gnu planet and fsf RSS feeds, so will see it within ~1 hour | Nov 20 16:19 |
| schestowitz | with Red Hat, not an urgent matter, but we need to understand what actually happened. Just before Easter 2007 Novell did release redacted contractual details | Nov 20 16:19 |
| schestowitz | Making it possible to see what they agreed about packages like Wine for instance... | Nov 20 16:20 |
| schestowitz | MinceR: http://arstechnica.co.uk/tech-policy/2015/11/uk-cops-allegedly-snooped-on-journalists-to-hunt-down-police-whistleblower/ | Nov 20 16:20 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-arstechnica.co.uk | UK cops allegedly snooped on journalists to hunt down police whistleblower | Ars Technica UK | Nov 20 16:20 | |
| schestowitz | quite shocking, not surprising though | Nov 20 16:20 |
| schestowitz | the spooks here are truly out of order now | Nov 20 16:20 |
| schestowitz | and they're motivated by our crazy Pry Minister | Nov 20 16:20 |
| schestowitz | so probably not a good idea to immigrate to the UK anymore... | Nov 20 16:21 |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Today in Techrights https://t.co/NpEDFFKQdt | Nov 20 16:21 |
| TweetTuxMachines | retweeted by (www.tuxmachines.org) | Nov 20 16:21 |
| TweetTuxMachines | @schestowitz | Nov 20 16:21 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Today in Techrights | Tux Machines | Nov 20 16:21 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Today in Techrights https://t.co/JxxLXZYNOK | Nov 20 16:21 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Today in Techrights | Tux Machines | Nov 20 16:22 | |
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| schestowitz | https://joindiaspora.com/posts/6835256 | Nov 20 16:51 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: In an Effort to Counter #EPO Staff Narrative (After ~2,000 of Staff Protest) EPO Management Portrays Staff as Violent http://techrights.org/2015/11/20/misportrayed-epo-staff/ | Nov 20 16:51 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights--> techrights.org | In an Effort to Counter EPO Staff Narrative (After ~2,000 of Staff Protest) EPO Management Portrays Staff as Violent But Provides No Evidence | Techrights | Nov 20 16:51 | |
| schestowitz | https://joindiaspora.com/posts/6835530 | Nov 20 16:51 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: Ed @snowden reminds us that scripts are unsafe, the ad industry is bringing this on themselves by not serving PNG/GIF https://theintercept.com/2015/11/12/edward-snowden-explains-how-to-reclaim-your-privacy/ | Nov 20 16:51 | |
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| schestowitz | https://joindiaspora.com/posts/6835739 | Nov 20 16:51 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: CIA Chief: Terrorists Harder to Find, Because of Leaks, Reforms https://soylentnews.org/article.pl?sid=15/11/18/1314225 what utter nonsense... #cia action helps them recruit | Nov 20 16:51 | |
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| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Today in Techrights https://t.co/JxxLXZYNOK | Nov 20 17:28 |
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| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines The Next Cheap Android Phone Comes | Nov 20 17:28 |
| TweetTuxMachines | From...Pepsi? https://t.co/HAKYpeyurY | Nov 20 17:28 |
| TweetTuxMachines | (gizmodo.com) | Nov 20 17:28 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-gizmodo.com | The Next Cheap Android Phone Comes From...Pepsi? | Nov 20 17:28 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Review: 5 memory debuggers for Linux coding | Nov 20 17:28 |
| TweetTuxMachines | https://t.co/no1PY1dp6p (www.computerworld.com) | Nov 20 17:28 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.computerworld.com | Review: 5 memory debuggers for Linux coding | Computerworld | Nov 20 17:28 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Linux monitoring tools to keep your hardware | Nov 20 17:28 |
| TweetTuxMachines | cool https://t.co/IjQ0a9oEmM (opensource.com) | Nov 20 17:28 |
| TweetTuxMachines | ........................................ http://ur1.ca/oapmw | Nov 20 17:28 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-opensource.com | Linux temperature monitoring tools | Opensource.com | Nov 20 17:28 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Unity 8 for Ubuntu Desktop Explained - What You | Nov 20 17:28 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Need to Know https://t.co/Jt2iiaY97h | Nov 20 17:28 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-news.softpedia.com | Unity 8 for Ubuntu Desktop Explained - What You Need to Know | Nov 20 17:28 | |
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| schestowitz | I'm getting tired of systemd, my computer is unusable | Nov 20 17:37 |
| schestowitz | I think kde spent too much effort on this crap | Nov 20 17:37 |
| schestowitz | and they went more than a decade back | Nov 20 17:37 |
| schestowitz | in terms of performance, it feels worse than kde on my machines 10 years ago | Nov 20 17:37 |
| schestowitz | and systemd is not fast at all | Nov 20 17:37 |
| schestowitz | it take longer than before to boot | Nov 20 17:37 |
| schestowitz | and it loads things in improper order | Nov 20 17:37 |
| schestowitz | and sometimes won't shut down | Nov 20 17:38 |
| schestowitz | it's a clusterf*ck | Nov 20 17:38 |
| schestowitz | the whole of gnu/linux desktop thing seems to have been derailed or taken back 15 years by this rubbush | Nov 20 17:38 |
| schestowitz | now I need to find some old distro, maybe LTS, which predates this mess | Nov 20 17:39 |
| schestowitz | Rianne uses 12.04 LTS | Nov 20 17:39 |
| schestowitz | maybe I can move to it, but supported for only 1.5 years more... | Nov 20 17:39 |
| MinceR | oiaohm will explain how there's no problem with your computer :> | Nov 20 17:42 |
| MinceR | other things have harmed the gnu/linux desktop as well | Nov 20 17:42 |
| MinceR | gnome2, gnome3, kde4, pulseaudio, networkmanager, dbus, ... | Nov 20 17:43 |
| schestowitz | are things this bad in other DEs? | Nov 20 18:24 |
| schestowitz | Have you used some other DE with systemd? | Nov 20 18:24 |
| schestowitz | (yet?) | Nov 20 18:24 |
| schestowitz | I haven't (yet) | Nov 20 18:24 |
| schestowitz | want to see how fast it really boots | Nov 20 18:25 |
| schestowitz | as that was the main promise of the so-called (just an) 'init' system... | Nov 20 18:25 |
| schestowitz | with systemd I need to reboot a lot more | Nov 20 18:25 |
| schestowitz | but maybe it's also the fault of kde in kf5 | Nov 20 18:25 |
| schestowitz | applications start before even plasma is loaded | Nov 20 18:26 |
| schestowitz | so they show up in a black screen | Nov 20 18:26 |
| schestowitz | it's horrid | Nov 20 18:26 |
| schestowitz | and not manageable | Nov 20 18:26 |
| schestowitz | I also need to kill everything akonadi each time I start kde | Nov 20 18:26 |
| schestowitz | in kubuntu 15.04, when booting, it would just say "starting systemd VERSION" | Nov 20 18:26 |
| schestowitz | now they at least replaced that with a splash screen, in 15.10 | Nov 20 18:27 |
| schestowitz | but many of the issues persist | Nov 20 18:27 |
| schestowitz | including major bugs | Nov 20 18:27 |
| schestowitz | and performance issues are virtually unaddressed | Nov 20 18:27 |
| schestowitz | on the bright side, the system has not been thoroughly hosed/bricked, at least not yet | Nov 20 18:28 |
| schestowitz | so no D-R scenarioa | Nov 20 18:28 |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/Wikinaut/status/667767627595517954 | Nov 20 18:30 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@Wikinaut: @schestowitz https://t.co/wRQe5aYKUo | Nov 20 18:30 | |
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| MinceR | xfce and lxde are a lot better | Nov 20 18:41 |
| MinceR | i haven't seen much of lxqt yet | Nov 20 18:41 |
| MinceR | i've used xfce with systemd (on fedora 15) | Nov 20 18:41 |
| MinceR | there was some weird behavior | Nov 20 18:41 |
| schestowitz | but Ok overall? | Nov 20 18:42 |
| MinceR | well, it was YUM's unreliability that eventually put me off | Nov 20 18:42 |
| MinceR | i don't know how much of my troubles were due to systemd or which of them were | Nov 20 18:43 |
| MinceR | still, that was the only time i remember xscreensaver crashing | Nov 20 18:43 |
| MinceR | and i got a gnome-like screen locker on a gnome wallpaper (neither of which i asked for) cover for it when it did | Nov 20 18:43 |
| schestowitz | http://ipkitten.blogspot.co.uk/2015/11/read-it-for-yourself-enlarged-board.html | Nov 20 18:48 |
| schestowitz | https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0K0oYcGD9V0&feature=youtu.be&t=80 | Nov 20 18:48 |
| schestowitz | LOL | Nov 20 18:48 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-ipkitten.blogspot.co.uk | The IPKat: Read it for yourself: Enlarged Board decision Art 23 1/15 | Nov 20 18:48 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.youtube.com | Trading Places 1983 Ending - YouTube | Nov 20 18:48 | |
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| schestowitz | seems like quote a few people from munich stalk me | Nov 20 18:52 |
| Guest11000 | how can I send an email to Roy? | Nov 20 18:52 |
| schestowitz | "Munich" named by academia.edu | Nov 20 18:52 |
| schestowitz | many times recrntly | Nov 20 18:52 |
| schestowitz | Guest11000: roy@schestowitz dot com | Nov 20 18:53 |
| schestowitz | if it's sensitive, consider encrypting or using anonymity | Nov 20 18:53 |
| schestowitz | PGP key in http://schestowitz.com/PGP | Nov 20 18:53 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-schestowitz.com | Roy Schestowitz - PGP Key | Nov 20 18:53 | |
| schestowitz | http://techrights.org/2015/10/25/techrights-doc-drop/ | Nov 20 18:53 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | How to Securely Provide Techrights With Information, Documents | Techrights | Nov 20 18:53 | |
| schestowitz | if not sensitive, plain text might be OK | Nov 20 18:54 |
| Guest11000 | ok | Nov 20 18:54 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-nts.strzibny.name | First update for Fedora Developer Portal – Notes to self | Nov 20 19:11 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Being Thankful for Open Source (But Why Do | Nov 20 19:11 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Companies Do It?) https://t.co/DGZhq0mJlO | Nov 20 19:11 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Being Thankful for Open Source (But Why Do Companies Do It?) | Tux Machines | Nov 20 19:11 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Jolla ’s financing round delayed - files for | Nov 20 19:11 |
| TweetTuxMachines | debt restructuring https://t.co/TMGQ0Qy8wv | Nov 20 19:12 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Jolla ’s financing round delayed - files for debt restructuring | Tux Machines | Nov 20 19:12 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Lenovo's Software Defined Infrastructure | Nov 20 19:12 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Strategy Comes Together With Red Hat and | Nov 20 19:12 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Nutanix https://t.co/mx45CcWOZ1 | Nov 20 19:12 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Lenovo's Software Defined Infrastructure Strategy Comes Together With Red Hat and Nutanix | Tux Machines | Nov 20 19:12 | |
| schestowitz | https://joindiaspora.com/posts/6834675 | Nov 20 19:51 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: Open-source router is instant #crowdfunding success https://en-maktoob.news.yahoo.com/turris-omnia-open-source-router-162917572.html http://www.tomshardware.com/news/turris-omnia-indiegogo-open-source-router-openwrt,30594.html #linux | Nov 20 19:51 | |
| schestowitz | "Yahoo news, eh? I’ll believe this router is OK when it’s Respects Your Freedom Certified. ;-}" | Nov 20 19:51 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights--> en-maktoob.news.yahoo.com | Open-source router is instant crowdfunding success - Yahoo Maktoob News [ http://ur1.ca/oaqah ] | Nov 20 19:51 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights--> www.tomshardware.com | Turris Omnia Router Project Surpasses Indiegogo Goal, Combines Open Source Design And Firmware [ http://ur1.ca/oaqai ] | Nov 20 19:51 | |
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| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Review: Ubuntu GNOME 15.10 is what vanilla | Nov 20 22:48 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Ubuntu should be https://t.co/c6Xll7Y2ex | Nov 20 22:48 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Review: Ubuntu GNOME 15.10 is what vanilla Ubuntu should be | Tux Machines | Nov 20 22:48 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Move over, Linux -- JavaScript-powered NodeOS | Nov 20 22:48 |
| TweetTuxMachines | 1.0 approaches https://t.co/twHCYgYg9E | Nov 20 22:48 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Move over, Linux -- JavaScript-powered NodeOS 1.0 approaches | Tux Machines | Nov 20 22:48 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Smart light switch includes HD camera, IFTT | Nov 20 22:48 |
| TweetTuxMachines | support https://t.co/H1GUobCiHq | Nov 20 22:48 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | The Best Android Smartwatch You Can Buy Today | Tux Machines | Nov 20 23:09 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines NVIDIA 358.16 Linux Driver Brings Fixes | Nov 20 23:09 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | NVIDIA 358.16 Linux Driver Brings Fixes | Tux Machines | Nov 20 23:09 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Libpng Vulnerabilities Fixed in All Supported | Nov 20 23:09 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Ubuntu OSes https://t.co/gc2Db1Huw9 | Nov 20 23:09 |
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| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines A World Without Linux Would Mean a World | Nov 21 01:34 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Without Our Favorite Movies | Nov 21 01:34 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | A World Without Linux Would Mean a World Without Our Favorite Movies | Tux Machines | Nov 21 01:35 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines KDE Ships Beta of KDE Applications 15.12 | Nov 21 01:38 |
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| TweetTuxMachines | Stock Android To Appeal To Western Markets | Nov 21 09:21 |
| TweetTuxMachines | [Video] https://t.co/hQHgNyL6ZA | Nov 21 09:21 |
| TweetTuxMachines | (www.techtimes.com) | Nov 21 09:21 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.techtimes.com | Oppo Releases Project Spectrum Beta With Near Stock Android To Appeal To Western Markets [Video] : PERSONAL TECH : Tech Times | Nov 21 09:21 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Red Hat’s Paul Smith: Govt Eyes Open Source | Nov 21 09:21 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Software for Innovation https://t.co/vdrjyBwpjn | Nov 21 09:21 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.govconwire.com | Red Hat’s Paul Smith: Govt Eyes Open Source Software for Innovation | Nov 21 09:21 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Android Marshmallow: release date, name and | Nov 21 09:29 |
| TweetTuxMachines | features https://t.co/RgSa2G75ks | Nov 21 09:29 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.itpro.co.uk | Android Marshmallow: release date, name and features | IT PRO | Nov 21 09:29 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Android TV: Internet of Things Integration In | Nov 21 09:29 |
| TweetTuxMachines | The Pipeline? https://t.co/f2ltau0k1j | Nov 21 09:29 |
| TweetTuxMachines | (www.androidheadlines.com) | Nov 21 09:29 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.androidheadlines.com | Android TV: Internet of Things Integration In The Pipeline? | Androidheadlines.com | Nov 21 09:29 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines How Analysts Rated Red Hat Inc (NYSE:RHT) Last | Nov 21 09:29 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Week? https://t.co/NxBIhCO0rO | Nov 21 09:29 |
| TweetTuxMachines | (www.financialmagazin.com) | Nov 21 09:29 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.financialmagazin.com | How Analysts Rated Red Hat Inc (NYSE:RHT) Last Week? - FinancialMagazin.com - Financial News Portal | Nov 21 09:29 | |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.dakotafinancialnews.com | Recent Investment Analysts’ Ratings Updates for Red Hat (RHT) | Nov 21 09:29 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines 21 Android-only apps that will make your iPhone | Nov 21 09:50 |
| TweetTuxMachines | friends jealous https://t.co/rP5RQ3VzuO | Nov 21 09:50 |
| TweetTuxMachines | (uk.businessinsider.com) | Nov 21 09:50 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-uk.businessinsider.com | The best Android apps you can't get on iPhone in 2015 - Business Insider | Nov 21 09:50 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines 7 Best Android Tablets Under $200 | Nov 21 09:51 |
| TweetTuxMachines | https://t.co/IHidAasmk7 (www.tuxmachines.org) | Nov 21 09:51 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | 7 Best Android Tablets Under $200 | Tux Machines | Nov 21 09:51 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Cinnamon 2.8.5 Is Out for Linux Mint 17.3 | Nov 21 09:51 |
| TweetTuxMachines | "Rosa", Improves Several Applets | Nov 21 09:51 |
| TweetTuxMachines | https://t.co/jEhnt6IxAl (www.tuxmachines.org) | Nov 21 09:51 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Cinnamon 2.8.5 Is Out for Linux Mint 17.3 "Rosa", Improves Several Applets | Tux Machines | Nov 21 09:51 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Nvidia 358.16 Linux Video Driver Is a | Nov 21 09:52 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Short-Lived One, but Supports | Nov 21 09:52 |
| TweetTuxMachines | https://t.co/5vV90nMVBx (www.x.org) Server 1.18 | Nov 21 09:52 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.x.org | X.Org | Nov 21 09:52 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines More Android Leftovers https://t.co/cbW8OeKJcx | Nov 21 09:52 |
| TweetTuxMachines | (www.tuxmachines.org) | Nov 21 09:52 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Nvidia 358.16 Linux Video Driver Is a Short-Lived One, but Supports X.Org Server 1.18 | Tux Machines | Nov 21 09:52 | |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | More Android Leftovers | Tux Machines | Nov 21 09:52 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Red Hat and Fedora https://t.co/XswMKnvPeI | Nov 21 09:52 |
| TweetTuxMachines | (www.tuxmachines.org) | Nov 21 09:52 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Red Hat and Fedora | Tux Machines | Nov 21 09:52 | |
| *TweetTuxMachines @softpedialinux favourited 'Nvidia 358.16 Linux Video Driver Is a Short-Lived...' | Nov 21 09:52 | |
| schestowitz | https://joindiaspora.com/posts/6837428 | Nov 21 10:10 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: #Syria secretly sentenced free software developer #BasselKhartabil to death http://boingboing.net/2015/11/20/assad-government-secretly-sent.html major loss to #freesw | Nov 21 10:11 | |
| schestowitz | " | Nov 21 10:11 |
| schestowitz | For all of his work, he was awarded by the Foreign Policy website the 19th position on its prestigious Global Thinkers ranking of 2012 | Nov 21 10:11 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights--> boingboing.net | Syria secretly sentenced free software developer Bassel Khartabil to death / Boing Boing | Nov 21 10:11 | |
| schestowitz | https://archive.is/iD43G#selection-1135.306-1147.91 (creativecommons.org) | Nov 21 10:11 |
| schestowitz | The FP Group’s standard for excellence has in turn made it the place where world leaders turn to express their own views and to engage one another. From Bill and Melinda Gates to Israeli President Shimon Peres, from Condoleezza Rice to Senators John Kerry and John McCain, from Turkish President Abdullah Gul to Chinese dissident Ai Weiwei, the FP contributor list reads much like the who’s who that is our audience. To choose just a few | Nov 21 10:11 |
| schestowitz | examples of their extraordinary engagement with FP, consider the following recent illustrations involving top U.S. government officials. | Nov 21 10:11 |
| schestowitz | https://archive.is/4t1LX#selection-677.0-689.31 (Foreign Policy Website) | Nov 21 10:11 |
| schestowitz | Well, everybody stateside really dropped him in the shit - or did it escape their notice that their government started a civil war in Syria? | Nov 21 10:11 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-archive.is | Read the story of Bassel Khartabil, Syrian prisoner who lives and risks dying for a free Internet - Creative Commons | Nov 21 10:11 | |
| schestowitz | Bassel Khartabil had been setup and sacrificed. | Nov 21 10:11 |
| schestowitz | MIT have also recently given him a job. | Nov 21 10:11 |
| schestowitz | I am proud to announce that we have offered Bassel Khartabil a position as a research scientist in the Center for Civic Media at the MIT Media Lab, where he will work directly with its director, principal research scientist Ethan Zuckerman. | Nov 21 10:11 |
| schestowitz | https://archive.is/yqC0X#selection-133.0-141.115 | Nov 21 10:11 |
| schestowitz | <sarcasm> Oh, that was a good idea MIT. That will really improve Khartabil’s status with the Syrian govt. and remove any doubt that he might have been working with/for the enemy. </sarcasm> | Nov 21 10:11 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-archive.is | Chosen by Leaders | Foreign Policy Group | Nov 21 10:11 | |
| schestowitz | Shrewth! These people say they “care”, but they don’t take care or act in a manner which shows the slightest concern what the impact of the actions will be. They don’t care about him - they care about a media image. | Nov 21 10:11 |
| schestowitz | " | Nov 21 10:11 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-archive.is | MIT Media Lab reaches out to jailed Syrian activist with research position in Center for Civic Media - Joi Ito's Web | Nov 21 10:11 | |
| schestowitz | I don't think it's fair to blame this on those who did genuinely try to help him | Nov 21 10:11 |
| *XRevan86 (~XRevan86@meowr.ru) has joined #techrights | Nov 21 10:32 | |
| *TweetTuxMachines @softpedialinux favourited 'Cinnamon 2.8.5 Is Out for Linux Mint 17.3...' | Nov 21 10:37 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Road Redemption Combat Racer Fixed Up For Linux | Nov 21 10:37 |
| TweetTuxMachines | & SteamOS, Performs Well Now | Nov 21 10:37 |
| TweetTuxMachines | https://t.co/XmhST5zalU (www.gamingonlinux.com) | Nov 21 10:37 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.gamingonlinux.com | Road Redemption Combat Racer Fixed Up For Linux & SteamOS, Performs Well Now | GamingOnLinux | Nov 21 10:37 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Vendetta - Curse Of Raven's Cry Released For | Nov 21 10:37 |
| TweetTuxMachines | SteamOS & Linux https://t.co/SgktWrIShA | Nov 21 10:37 |
| TweetTuxMachines | (www.gamingonlinux.com) | Nov 21 10:37 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.gamingonlinux.com | Vendetta - Curse Of Raven's Cry Released For SteamOS & Linux | GamingOnLinux | Nov 21 10:37 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Wine Announcement https://t.co/BVLSmPLB8N | Nov 21 10:40 |
| TweetTuxMachines | (www.winehq.org) | Nov 21 10:40 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.winehq.org | WineHQ - Wine Announcement - The Wine development release 1.8-rc1 is now available. | Nov 21 10:40 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines This week’s traffic in #tuxmachines has again | Nov 21 10:40 |
| TweetTuxMachines | smashed the record. We’re trying to be fastest | Nov 21 10:40 |
| TweetTuxMachines | and also most complete syndication for #linux | Nov 21 10:40 |
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| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Mini-PC doubles as open-spec, octa-core hacker | Nov 21 10:40 |
| TweetTuxMachines | SBC https://t.co/dsNPWyz7Ht (linuxgizmos.com) | Nov 21 10:40 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-linuxgizmos.com | Mini-PC doubles as open-spec, octa-core hacker SBC · LinuxGizmos.com | Nov 21 10:40 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines How to customize your Linux desktop: KDE | Nov 21 10:51 |
| TweetTuxMachines | https://t.co/3d4J3HMXOH (www.zdnet.com) | Nov 21 10:52 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.zdnet.com | How to customize your Linux desktop: KDE | ZDNet | Nov 21 10:52 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Lenovo's Software Defined Infrastructure | Nov 21 10:52 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Strategy Comes Together With Red Hat and | Nov 21 10:52 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Nutanix https://t.co/yXs8uUt7iM | Nov 21 10:52 |
| TweetTuxMachines | (www.forbes.com) | Nov 21 10:52 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.forbes.com | Forbes Welcome | Nov 21 10:52 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Review: Ubuntu GNOME 15.10 is what vanilla | Nov 21 10:52 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Ubuntu should be https://t.co/8KjIEJu7yr | Nov 21 10:52 |
| TweetTuxMachines | (www.networkworld.com) | Nov 21 10:52 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.networkworld.com | Review: Ubuntu GNOME 15.10 is what vanilla Ubuntu should be | Nov 21 10:52 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Move over, Linux -- JavaScript-powered NodeOS | Nov 21 10:58 |
| TweetTuxMachines | 1.0 approaches https://t.co/Bvjcg7xmMM | Nov 21 10:58 |
| TweetTuxMachines | (www.infoworld.com) | Nov 21 10:58 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.infoworld.com | Move over, Linux -- JavaScript-powered NodeOS 1.0 approaches | InfoWorld | Nov 21 10:58 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines KDE Ships Beta of KDE Applications 15.12 | Nov 21 10:58 |
| TweetTuxMachines | https://t.co/mgGFBqRb9K (www.kde.org) | Nov 21 10:58 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.kde.org | KDE - KDE Ships Beta of KDE Applications 15.12 | Nov 21 10:58 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines NVIDIA 358.16 Linux Driver Brings Fixes | Nov 21 10:58 |
| TweetTuxMachines | https://t.co/F1BXIryJYv (www.phoronix.com) | Nov 21 10:58 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.phoronix.com | NVIDIA 358.16 Linux Driver Brings Fixes - Phoronix | Nov 21 10:58 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines The Best Android Smartwatch You Can Buy Today | Nov 21 10:59 |
| TweetTuxMachines | https://t.co/8l3sBDLVVl (www.droid-life.com) | Nov 21 10:59 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.droid-life.com | Best Android Smartwatch You Can Buy Today | Nov 21 10:59 | |
| *TweetTuxMachines @DianManissss favourited 'The Best Android Smartwatch You Can Buy Today...' | Nov 21 10:59 | |
| *TweetTuxMachines @AreaVera favourited 'The Best Android Smartwatch You Can Buy Today...' | Nov 21 11:00 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Smart light switch includes HD camera, IFTT | Nov 21 11:00 |
| TweetTuxMachines | support https://t.co/c0wmmHDpqo | Nov 21 11:00 |
| TweetTuxMachines | (linuxgizmos.com) "Linux-based home automation | Nov 21 11:00 |
| TweetTuxMachines | devices" | Nov 21 11:00 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-linuxgizmos.com | Smart light switch includes HD camera, IFTT support · LinuxGizmos.com | Nov 21 11:00 | |
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| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Libpng Vulnerabilities Fixed in All Supported | Nov 21 11:03 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Ubuntu OSes https://t.co/rwQlStR9vV | Nov 21 11:03 |
| TweetTuxMachines | (linux.softpedia.com) | Nov 21 11:03 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-linux.softpedia.com | Libpng Vulnerabilities Fixed in All Supported Ubuntu OSes | Nov 21 11:03 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines A World Without Linux Would Mean a World | Nov 21 11:03 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Without Our Favorite Movies | Nov 21 11:03 |
| TweetTuxMachines | https://t.co/1mMSMzPF3P (news.softpedia.com) | Nov 21 11:03 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-news.softpedia.com | A World Without Linux Would Mean a World Without Our Favorite Movies | Nov 21 11:03 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines 7 Best Android Tablets Under $200 | Nov 21 11:03 |
| TweetTuxMachines | https://t.co/sDI32qbdS8 (www.gottabemobile.com) | Nov 21 11:03 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.gottabemobile.com | 7 Best Android Tablets Under $200 | Nov 21 11:03 | |
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| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Cinnamon 2.8.5 Is Out for Linux Mint 17.3 | Nov 21 11:11 |
| TweetTuxMachines | "Rosa", Improves Several Applets | Nov 21 11:11 |
| TweetTuxMachines | https://t.co/9SFwgbMaf5 (linux.softpedia.com) | Nov 21 11:11 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-linux.softpedia.com | Cinnamon 2.8.5 Is Out for Linux Mint 17.3 "Rosa," Improves Several Applets | Nov 21 11:11 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Nvidia 358.16 Linux Video Driver Is a | Nov 21 11:11 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Short-Lived One, but Supports XOrg Server 1.18 | Nov 21 11:11 |
| TweetTuxMachines | https://t.co/7Jwwx8ZBZk (news.softpedia.com) | Nov 21 11:11 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-news.softpedia.com | Nvidia 358.16 Linux Video Driver Is a Short-Lived One, but Supports X.Org Server 1.18 | Nov 21 11:11 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Slackware Live Edition https://t.co/xVMCKlHCo3 | Nov 21 11:11 |
| TweetTuxMachines | (alien.slackbook.org) | Nov 21 11:11 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-alien.slackbook.org | Alien Pastures » Slackware Live Edition | Nov 21 11:11 | |
| schestowitz | https://joindiaspora.com/posts/6838317 | Nov 21 11:38 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: Canonical's IP Policy Is Vague for a Reason http://news.softpedia.com/news/canonical-s-ip-policy-is-vague-for-a-reason-but-matthew-garrett-says-ubuntu-is-not-free-496496.shtml same with #redhat #microsoft #patent agreement? Not acceptable for "open" | Nov 21 11:38 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights--> news.softpedia.com | Canonical's IP Policy Is Vague for a Reason, but Matthew Garrett Says Ubuntu Is Not Free | Nov 21 11:38 | |
| *TweetTuxMachines @KasiaInc followed @tuxmachines | Nov 21 12:19 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Leftovers: Gaming https://t.co/TcMQaobVY2 | Nov 21 12:20 |
| TweetTuxMachines | (www.tuxmachines.org) | Nov 21 12:20 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Leftovers: Gaming | Tux Machines | Nov 21 12:20 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines today's howtos https://t.co/tmNtRuTiSP | Nov 21 12:20 |
| TweetTuxMachines | (www.tuxmachines.org) | Nov 21 12:20 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | today's howtos | Tux Machines | Nov 21 12:21 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Leftovers: Software https://t.co/Lw40K1UAii | Nov 21 13:29 |
| TweetTuxMachines | (www.tuxmachines.org) | Nov 21 13:29 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Leftovers: Software | Tux Machines | Nov 21 13:29 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines today's leftovers https://t.co/7aWa675CUb | Nov 21 13:29 |
| TweetTuxMachines | (www.tuxmachines.org) | Nov 21 13:29 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | today's leftovers | Tux Machines | Nov 21 13:29 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Security Leftovers https://t.co/LnrWQyW1Ia | Nov 21 13:29 |
| TweetTuxMachines | (www.tuxmachines.org) | Nov 21 13:29 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Security Leftovers | Tux Machines | Nov 21 13:29 | |
| *TweetTuxMachines @softpedialinux favourited 'Libpng Vulnerabilities Fixed in All Supported Ubuntu OSes...' | Nov 21 13:29 | |
| *TweetTuxMachines @softpedialinux favourited 'A World Without Linux Would Mean a World...' | Nov 21 13:29 | |
| *TweetTuxMachines @softpedialinux favourited 'Cinnamon 2.8.5 Is Out for Linux Mint 17.3...' | Nov 21 13:29 | |
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| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/redlocal/status/668030098793234432 | Nov 21 14:16 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@redlocal: The #ElementaryOS Developers Have Decided To Fork #Geary Under A New Name: #Pantheon Mail https://t.co/WNxiRm2o3r… https://t.co/3bGYT0CvqK | Nov 21 14:16 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights--> linuxg.net | The Elementary OS Developers Have Decided To Fork Geary Under A New Name: Pantheon Mail | LinuxG.net | Nov 21 14:16 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz: The #ElementaryOS Developers Have Decided To Fork #Geary Under A New Name: #Pantheon Mail https://t.co/AjNUYVLBOD #freesw | Nov 21 14:16 | |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/FOSSpatents/status/668044461608431616 | Nov 21 14:16 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@FOSSpatents: @schestowitz SUEPO apparently afraid of linking to TechRights. See their latest. I'm sure it's not that they don't appreciate your support. | Nov 21 14:16 | |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/kstallett/status/668053604863975424 | Nov 21 14:17 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@kstallett: @schestowitz @xguntherc Ill probably be getting a shield myself soon considering no real Ubuntu tablet anywhere on the horizon. | Nov 21 14:17 | |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/FOSSpatents/status/668058370813882368 https://twitter.com/FOSSpatents/status/668058709931724800 | Nov 21 14:18 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@FOSSpatents: I'm RT'ing this because there are some interesting observations in it. I don't mean to endorse the bribery theory. https://t.co/rY3gpwCpad | Nov 21 14:18 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz: It Pays (Off) to ‘Bribe’ the Media: Watch How #LesÉchos Covers #EPO Matters and Self-Censors https://t.co/aMYFA9zmtv #patents #europe | Nov 21 14:18 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@FOSSpatents: .@schestowitz I wouldn't attribute to malice on Les Échos' part what can be explained with lack of analysis. EPO situation is very special. | Nov 21 14:18 | |
| schestowitz | Re: The Microsoft Register :) | Nov 21 14:38 |
| schestowitz | > I just checked back in with theReg after a long absence. Seems nothing's | Nov 21 14:38 |
| schestowitz | > changed, same ole, same ole, a load of free adverts for MICROS~1 and | Nov 21 14:38 |
| schestowitz | > whenever there is mention of malware, blame third party apps rather than | Nov 21 14:38 |
| schestowitz | > the real source. Then think up a negative headline if google or Apple | Nov 21 14:38 |
| schestowitz | > are mentioned. One particular article refers to a hacking group hacking | Nov 21 14:38 |
| schestowitz | > "government systems". The article is carefully designed to deflect | Nov 21 14:38 |
| schestowitz | > attention to the root cause of all these hacks, namely the Microsoft | Nov 21 14:38 |
| schestowitz | > Windows operating system. Also, it seems the standard editorial strategy | Nov 21 14:38 |
| schestowitz | > to, what ever the subject, always include a Microsoft angle. for | Nov 21 14:38 |
| schestowitz | > instance "Microsoft makes Raspberry Pi its preferred IoT dev board". In | Nov 21 14:38 |
| schestowitz | > an article about googles cloud, there's a mention Microsoft cloud. | Nov 21 14:38 |
| schestowitz | > | Nov 21 14:38 |
| schestowitz | > It's an example of taking control of 'mindshare' that was mentioned in | Nov 21 14:38 |
| schestowitz | > that comes document. Or if they can't find a reason to mention MICROS~1 | Nov 21 14:38 |
| schestowitz | > say something negative, as in this headline "Google extends search | Nov 21 14:38 |
| schestowitz | > tendrils to cover data in apps". | Nov 21 14:38 |
| schestowitz | > | Nov 21 14:38 |
| schestowitz | > Here's another good example of spinning a fix for a defect in Edge | Nov 21 14:38 |
| schestowitz | > running under Windows into a positive then invoking the lack of such a | Nov 21 14:38 |
| schestowitz | > fix on other browsers as a negative. But then again the article is | Nov 21 14:38 |
| schestowitz | > wrong. The fault isn't in the browser but in the underlying OS. | Nov 21 14:38 |
| schestowitz | > | Nov 21 14:38 |
| schestowitz | > "The update makes the browser the only one with that type of security | Nov 21 14:38 |
| schestowitz | > protection." | Nov 21 14:38 |
| schestowitz | > | Nov 21 14:38 |
| schestowitz | > Haaaa, that's because the other browsers don't need such 'security | Nov 21 14:38 |
| schestowitz | > protection'. At least if they're running not on windows. and besides how | Nov 21 14:38 |
| schestowitz | > will this protect from a malicious signed DLL. The answer is it won't. | Nov 21 14:38 |
| schestowitz | > | Nov 21 14:38 |
| schestowitz | > Microsoft gets Edge on blocking ad injectors | Nov 21 14:38 |
| schestowitz | > <http://www.theregister.co.uk/2015/11/19/ms_edge_ad_injectors_squashed/> | Nov 21 14:38 |
| schestowitz | > | Nov 21 14:38 |
| schestowitz | > http://www.theregister.co.uk/2015/11/18/hacking_group_strontium_dogs_nato_and_government_targets/ | Nov 21 14:39 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.theregister.co.uk | Microsoft gets Edge on blocking ad injectors • The Register | Nov 21 14:39 | |
| schestowitz | > http://www.theregister.co.uk/2015/11/19/redmond_expels_galileo/ | Nov 21 14:39 |
| schestowitz | > Custom virtual machines come to Google's Compute Engine | Nov 21 14:39 |
| schestowitz | > <http://www.theregister.co.uk/2015/11/19/custom_virtual_machines_come_to_googles_compute_engine/> | Nov 21 14:39 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.theregister.co.uk | Hacking group Strontium dogs NATO and government targets • The Register | Nov 21 14:39 | |
| schestowitz | > | Nov 21 14:39 |
| schestowitz | > Mentions of Microsoft == 9 | Nov 21 14:39 |
| schestowitz | > Mentions of Windows = 6 | Nov 21 14:39 |
| schestowitz | Historically, El Reg was MS-hostile. Then Microsoft paid El Reg (ads and more). It led to El Reg being utter crap. | Nov 21 14:39 |
| schestowitz | This past year I couldn't quite say it was the same. A lot of hostile Vista 10 coverage came from El Reg and it's actually appreciated. | Nov 21 14:39 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.theregister.co.uk | Microsoft makes Raspberry Pi its preferred IoT dev board • The Register | Nov 21 14:39 | |
| schestowitz | I saw the Raspi-MS coverage yesterday and I do take note when they do pro-MS crap. Having said all that, I can't accept the view that MS still 'owns' them. They improve compared to previous years and some MS reps they had hired (Mary Jo Foley, Gavin Clarke etc.) were sort of gone this year... not sure why. | Nov 21 14:39 |
| schestowitz | Simon Sharwood and Tim Anderson still bother me a bit. Neil McAllister is a mixed bag. | Nov 21 14:39 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.theregister.co.uk | Custom virtual machines come to Google's Compute Engine • The Register | Nov 21 14:39 | |
| schestowitz | Re: Welcome to the Microsoft/Register spin zone :) | Nov 21 14:39 |
| schestowitz | > "We found additional vulnerabilities regarding Adobe Acrobat, Adobe | Nov 21 14:39 |
| schestowitz | > Reader, and Oracle Java software on the Windows 7 workstations," | Nov 21 14:39 |
| schestowitz | > | Nov 21 14:39 |
| schestowitz | > Notice the fault lies with Adobe and Oracle, not MICROS~1 .. | Nov 21 14:39 |
| schestowitz | > | Nov 21 14:39 |
| schestowitz | > http://www.theregister.co.uk/2015/11/20/homeland_securitys_secret_unpatched_pcs_dbs/ | Nov 21 14:39 |
| schestowitz | Maybe a mix of both. | Nov 21 14:39 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.theregister.co.uk | Who's running dozens of top-secret unpatched databases? The Dept of Homeland Security • The Register | Nov 21 14:39 | |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/FOSSpatents/status/668076794705260544 https://twitter.com/FOSSpatents/status/668076932655902721 | Nov 21 14:55 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@FOSSpatents: .@schestowitz Don't know about journalists but Münchner Merkur reported the EPO tried to get a union lawyer disbarred. | Nov 21 14:55 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@FOSSpatents: @schestowitz If evidence for bribery was presented, I'd tell it like it is. Here, I think Les Échos doesn't understand specific situation. | Nov 21 14:55 | |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/FOSSpatents/status/668077122590781440 https://twitter.com/FOSSpatents/status/668077311670018048 | Nov 21 14:55 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@FOSSpatents: @schestowitz Les Échos compares the EPO situation to that of private sector companies. That's the fundamental flaw there for two reasons. | Nov 21 14:55 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@FOSSpatents: @schestowitz One, Les Échos fails to understand that the EPO should not maximize profit but patent quality. Two, EPO has and abuses immunity | Nov 21 14:55 | |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-frinring.wordpress.com | Your input, please: naming of action icons (tables, vectorpaths, animation, text, …) | Attracted by virtual constructs | Nov 21 17:25 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Mesa 11.1-RC1 Released https://t.co/kHTihakB6X | Nov 21 17:30 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.phoronix.com | Mesa 11.1-RC1 Released - Phoronix | Nov 21 17:30 | |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.phoronix.com | Mesa 11.0.6 Delivers More Fixes To Stable Users - Phoronix | Nov 21 17:30 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.phoronix.com | The Next Mesa Release Doesn't Have Any Major OpenGL Breakthrough - Phoronix | Nov 21 17:30 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines GCC 5.3 To Be Released Within A Few Weeks | Nov 21 17:30 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.phoronix.com | GCC 5.3 To Be Released Within A Few Weeks - Phoronix | Nov 21 17:30 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Nouveau Kepler Re-Clocking Is Working A Lot | Nov 21 17:30 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Better On Linux 4.4 https://t.co/zuoD79gPvW | Nov 21 17:30 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.phoronix.com | Nouveau Kepler Re-Clocking Is Working A Lot Better On Linux 4.4 - Phoronix | Nov 21 17:30 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Review: BlackBerry's keyboard not enough to | Nov 21 17:30 |
| TweetTuxMachines | make it stand out in Android pack | Nov 21 17:30 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-phys.org | Review: BlackBerry's keyboard not enough to make it stand out in Android pack | Nov 21 17:30 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Ubuntu Touch OTA-9 Receives New Unity 8, | Nov 21 17:30 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Next-Gen Bluetooth Support, More | Nov 21 17:30 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-news.softpedia.com | Ubuntu Touch OTA-9 Receives New Unity 8, Next-Gen Bluetooth Support, More | Nov 21 17:30 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines The Dual Boot Deception https://t.co/BgHjc8e1Hc | Nov 21 17:30 |
| TweetTuxMachines | (freedompenguin.com) “many of the perils of | Nov 21 17:30 |
| TweetTuxMachines | dual booting” | Nov 21 17:30 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-freedompenguin.com | The Dual Boot Deception - Freedom Penguin | Nov 21 17:30 | |
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| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Is Linux Mint a terrible desktop distribution? | Nov 21 17:30 |
| TweetTuxMachines | https://t.co/SX51jCkajb (www.itworld.com) bait | Nov 21 17:30 |
| TweetTuxMachines | headline for hits? # | Nov 21 17:30 |
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| *TweetTuxMachines @techmuser favourited 'Nouveau Kepler Re-Clocking Is Working A Lot Better...' | Nov 21 17:31 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.itworld.com | Is Linux Mint a terrible desktop distribution? | ITworld | Nov 21 17:31 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Vendetta: Curse of Raven's Cry Released With | Nov 21 17:31 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Linux Support https://t.co/iztIFxvpsU | Nov 21 17:31 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.phoronix.com | Vendetta: Curse of Raven's Cry Released With Linux Support - Phoronix | Nov 21 17:31 | |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/redlocal/status/668117502543704066 | Nov 21 17:31 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@redlocal: Michigan Tech and Eric Friesen help bring #RepRap #opensource #3Dprinting to #Nicaragua https://t.co/qMb5LlpJaO … https://t.co/zS8w2jobmv | Nov 21 17:31 | |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz: Michigan Tech and Eric Friesen help bring #RepRap #opensource #3Dprinting to #Nicaragua https://t.co/uvjGIpglFu https://t.co/8QyrfzICMM | Nov 21 17:32 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Today in Techrights https://t.co/0ShgDAxPJX | Nov 21 17:32 |
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| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Links 21/11/2015: Community Appreciation Day, | Nov 21 17:32 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Jolla's Problems https://t.co/H9XMhr0zH5 | Nov 21 17:32 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Today in Techrights | Tux Machines | Nov 21 17:32 | |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Links 21/11/2015: Community Appreciation Day, Jolla’s Problems | Techrights | Nov 21 17:32 | |
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| *TweetTuxMachines @schestowitz retweeted @tuxmachines: 'Links 21/11/2015: Community Appreciation Day, Jolla's Problems https://t.co/H9XMhr0zH5' | Nov 21 17:40 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Leftovers: KDE https://t.co/kf3Tx6BWcT | Nov 21 17:41 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Leftovers: KDE | Tux Machines | Nov 21 17:41 | |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Mesa/Graphics | Tux Machines | Nov 21 17:41 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines LinuxG on Ubuntu, Mint https://t.co/4CVBFn6d44 | Nov 21 17:41 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | LinuxG on Ubuntu, Mint | Tux Machines | Nov 21 17:41 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines today's howtos https://t.co/jvJq1M91Aa | Nov 21 17:41 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | today's howtos | Tux Machines | Nov 21 17:41 | |
| schestowitz | https://joindiaspora.com/posts/6839503 https://joindiaspora.com/posts/6838317 | Nov 21 17:50 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: Mariana Safer & Max Starkov are badmouthing #freesw w/ debunked old FUD to sell their crappy, insecure proprietary SW http://www.hotelnewsresource.com/article86605.html | Nov 21 17:50 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights--> www.hotelnewsresource.com | The Perils of Using an Open-Source Content Management System (CMS) to Power the Hotel Website - By Mariana Safer and Max Starkov [ http://ur1.ca/oawoz ] | Nov 21 17:50 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: Canonical's IP Policy Is Vague for a Reason http://news.softpedia.com/news/canonical-s-ip-policy-is-vague-for-a-reason-but-matthew-garrett-says-ubuntu-is-not-free-496496.shtml same with #redhat #microsoft #patent agreement? Not acceptable for "open" | Nov 21 17:50 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights--> news.softpedia.com | Canonical's IP Policy Is Vague for a Reason, but Matthew Garrett Says Ubuntu Is Not Free | Nov 21 17:50 | |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/el_piranna/status/668122073773002752 | Nov 21 17:52 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@el_piranna: #NodeOS 1.0-RC1 got published on @infoworld magazine!!! :-D \cc @0x604 @micael_gallego @pinchito @ibc_tw https://t.co/p47tRbg87u | Nov 21 17:52 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz: Move over, #Linux -- #JavaScript-powered #NodeOS 1.0 approaches https://t.co/ecu9yOw0Me "small-footprint Linux distribution" | Nov 21 17:53 | |
| schestowitz | https://joindiaspora.com/posts/6837428 | Nov 21 18:09 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: #Syria secretly sentenced free software developer #BasselKhartabil to death http://boingboing.net/2015/11/20/assad-government-secretly-sent.html major loss to #freesw | Nov 21 18:09 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights--> boingboing.net | Syria secretly sentenced free software developer Bassel Khartabil to death / Boing Boing | Nov 21 18:09 | |
| schestowitz | " | Nov 21 18:09 |
| schestowitz | The ones mentioned didn’t, they fingered him. Just as MIT was the cause of Swarz suicide. Khartabil is a syrian citizen. USA at war with Syria. USA praises Khartabil, labeling him a traitor. | Nov 21 18:09 |
| schestowitz | See the guest list of Foreign Policy site - makes even our hair curl. | Nov 21 18:09 |
| schestowitz | Imagine a US hacker in the USA being praised and given employment etc by ISIS and Al Qaida… or just Assad. PUBLICLY. | Nov 21 18:09 |
| schestowitz | This is war, man, deaths and refugees - a (still) sovereign state fighting for its survival and those idiots in the USA… | Nov 21 18:10 |
| schestowitz | " | Nov 21 18:10 |
| schestowitz | "Sad story and I see little pressure being made on helping him, i.e. only 2,000 tweets in last month and only 2,500 likes in the FreeBasselSafadi facebook site. (Other prisioners in Syria have hundreds of thousand of tweets sent by tweeter users). Other carachteristic about his case is that there is no confirmation of death sentece by any other source than his wife’s fears. Maybe It is possible of course, I don’t know, but news sites | Nov 21 18:11 |
| schestowitz | says on headlines that he have been sentenced to death as it was already confirmed. Other thing that I learned today by studying this case is that not only regular goverment of Syria make death sentences, in the areas controlled by the rebel Free Syrian Army (F.S.A.) have been so far 8 death sentences only for “blasphemy” by F.S.A. “courts”, I mention that just to put in context death sentences in Syria. Since this is a special case | Nov 21 18:11 |
| schestowitz | in which this kind of good person to humanity is possible (although not confirmed) facing death, I will campaign for him in my posts and other activities in Internet." | Nov 21 18:11 |
| schestowitz | I don't think it's fair to accuse MIT of contributing to his death | Nov 21 18:11 |
| schestowitz | https://joindiaspora.com/posts/6838203 | Nov 21 18:11 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: Recent actions by our governments serve to suggest that radical Islamists are like the "Conservatives" in the Muslim world | Nov 21 18:11 | |
| schestowitz | " | Nov 21 18:11 |
| schestowitz | If your european governs were true conservatives in past 30 yars this situation of cultural collapse never happen. And now your people are endorsing the game of socialists and “aka” conservatives with total link with eurasianists. In truth both sides has link. | Nov 21 18:11 |
| schestowitz | It is like again yhe scissors tact of stalin | Nov 21 18:11 |
| schestowitz | " | Nov 21 18:12 |
| schestowitz | https://joindiaspora.com/posts/6839558 | Nov 21 18:12 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: Thanks to all those who are sending article translations regarding #epo - some to be punished tomorrow http://techrights.org/wiki/index.php/EPO | Nov 21 18:12 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights--> techrights.org | EPO - Techrights | Nov 21 18:12 | |
| schestowitz | "Punished? :)" | Nov 21 18:12 |
| schestowitz | Oops | Nov 21 18:12 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Leftovers: OSS | Tux Machines | Nov 21 19:13 | |
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