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TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     Security Leftovers https://t.co/jomcCrwrwXNov 29 00:19
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Security Leftovers | Tux MachinesNov 29 00:19
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | KTU exams to run on open source software | Tux MachinesNov 29 00:19
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schestowitzhttps://www.reddit.com/r/worldnews/comments/3unwbc/european_patent_office_attempting_to_censor/Nov 29 04:08
schestowitz"What the hell makes people believe they actually can intimidate anyone in a world where everyone can publish and paste to their hearts content? If youre going to act dirty, you are dirty, and the world will know in hours! Amazing that they think they have any say at all, patents are practically a dead institution."Nov 29 04:08
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights- ( status 503 @ https://www.reddit.com/r/worldnews/comments/3unwbc/european_patent_office_attempting_to_censor/ )Nov 29 04:08
schestowitzhttps://www.reddit.com/r/KotakuInAction/comments/3untlt/european_patent_office_attempting_to_censor_tech/Nov 29 04:09
schestowitz"Nov 29 04:09
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.reddit.com | European Patent Office attempting to censor tech journalists uncovering alleged corruption. : KotakuInActionNov 29 04:09
schestowitzSo tl;dr, the European patent office is sending cease and desist legal letters to its critics? That's the best I can come up with, given that this article appears to be a post-mortem of the situation that assumes the reader is already informed about most of the key facts.Nov 29 04:09
schestowitzOP do you have a better article by these guys, one that actually explains and documents what their initial interaction with the EPO was?Nov 29 04:09
schestowitz"Nov 29 04:09
schestowitz"Nov 29 04:09
schestowitzThey blocked access to his site from their offices.Nov 29 04:09
schestowitzIs what I guessed. Like you say, the article linked is shit, has no actual info on what is going on.Nov 29 04:09
schestowitz"Nov 29 04:09
schestowitz"TIL there's a tl:dr bot that does the reading for you. Don't know why I've never seen this before."Nov 29 04:09
schestowitz"Maybe because it's awful? I mean, look at that tl:dr. It isn't about having any tl:dr, it's about having one that accurately explains the piece you can't be assed to read."Nov 29 04:09
schestowitz"Nov 29 04:10
schestowitzI don't know the details, but any large international public organization sending threatening letters and blocking information does sound suspicious.Nov 29 04:10
schestowitzThey certainly hold large power as they control what patents and trademarks will be accepted in Europe.Nov 29 04:10
schestowitz"Nov 29 04:10
schestowitzhttps://twitter.com/IAM_magazine/status/670892644818681856   https://twitter.com/IAM_magazine/status/670892962549768196Nov 29 04:12
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@IAM_magazine: As predicted, IAM is considered to be in the pocket of the EPO because we do not see things like @schestowitz. https://t.co/c2zHkSI2E1Nov 29 04:12
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz: @FOSSpatents The Latest EPO Spin: Staff Protesters Compared to 'Anti-Patent Campaigners' or 'Against UPC' https://t.co/jS43gUdHdxNov 29 04:12
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@IAM_magazine: @schestowitz @FOSSpatents Of course, @schestowitz completely misunderstands what we wrote. We specifically do not say SUEPO is anti-UPC.Nov 29 04:12
schestowitzIt's not you who say that, it's Battistelli and other managementNov 29 04:12
schestowitzIAM is in the pockets of the EPO not because they see things unlike me but because they receive money from EPONov 29 04:13
schestowitzhttps://twitter.com/IAM_magazine/status/670893236442021888Nov 29 04:14
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@IAM_magazine: @schestowitz @FOSSpatents What we do say is that in seven years SUEPO, highly confrontational approach has achieved next to nothing.Nov 29 04:14
schestowitzThe results beg to differNov 29 04:14
schestowitzhttps://twitter.com/IAM_magazine/status/670893524888461312Nov 29 04:14
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@IAM_magazine: @schestowitz @FOSSpatents And, of course, we also criticise the way the EPO's senior management has behaved and is cosy relationship with ACNov 29 04:14
schestowitzNever seen such criticismNov 29 04:14
schestowitzhttps://twitter.com/angrymofo/status/670893718250106880Nov 29 04:17
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@angrymofo: @WNews_Reddit @schestowitz Has Turkey been caught trading weapons for oil ?Nov 29 04:17
schestowitzI heard soNov 29 04:17
schestowitzhttps://twitter.com/FOSSpatents/status/670894327103676416Nov 29 04:18
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@FOSSpatents: @schestowitz Actually, I do remember that @IAM_magazine suggested also here on Twitter in conversations with me) that improvement was neededNov 29 04:18
schestowitzhttps://twitter.com/FOSSpatents/status/670894563444310016  https://twitter.com/IAM_magazine/status/670894754272575489Nov 29 04:20
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@FOSSpatents: @IAM_magazine @schestowitz It's true SUEPO has achieved next to nothing. The reason is not its approach but the fact that examiners stay.Nov 29 04:21
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@IAM_magazine: @schestowitz @FOSSpatents Then you did not read the article you say shows we are in the EPO's pocket, or previous articles we have written.Nov 29 04:21
schestowitzhttps://twitter.com/IAM_magazine/status/670895289121832961Nov 29 04:22
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@IAM_magazine: @schestowitz @FOSSpatents That you cannot see criticism of EPO management in our coverage may indicate a flaw in your coverage, Roy!Nov 29 04:22
schestowitzhttps://twitter.com/IAM_magazine/status/670895780182564865Nov 29 04:23
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@IAM_magazine: @FOSSpatents @schestowitz It's both. Fact is EPO examiners have best pay and conditions of any examining corps anywhere in the world.Nov 29 04:23
schestowitzhttps://twitter.com/IAM_magazine/status/670896032348286976Nov 29 04:24
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@IAM_magazine: @FOSSpatents @schestowitz That does not mean they do not have legitimate grievances, of course. But it does provide some context.Nov 29 04:24
schestowitzhttp://unix.stackexchange.com/questions/233468/how-does-systemd-use-etc-init-d-scriptsNov 29 04:36
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-unix.stackexchange.com | How does systemd use /etc/init.d scripts? - Unix & Linux Stack ExchangeNov 29 04:36
schestowitzhttps://www.joindiaspora.com/posts/6867331Nov 29 04:48
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: #epo at #reddit now https://www.reddit.com/r/worldnews/comments/3unwbc/european_patent_office_attempting_to_censor/ https://www.reddit.com/r/KotakuInAction/comments/3untlt/european_patent_office_attempting_to_censor_tech/ https://www.reddit.com/r/news/comments/3unz6j/european_patent_office_attempting_to_censor/ https://www.reddit.com/r/technology/comments/3unr30/european_patent_office_attempting_to_censor/ httNov 29 04:48
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights--> www.reddit.com | European Patent Office attempting to censor journalists uncovering alleged corruption. : worldnewsNov 29 04:48
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights--> www.reddit.com | European Patent Office attempting to censor tech journalists uncovering alleged corruption. : KotakuInActionNov 29 04:49
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights--> www.reddit.com | European Patent Office attempting to censor journalists uncovering alleged corruption. : newsNov 29 04:49
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights--> www.reddit.com | European Patent Office attempting to censor journalists uncovering alleged corruption. : technologyNov 29 04:49
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights--> www.reddit.com | European Patent Office attempting to censor journalists uncovering alleged corruption. : besteuropeNov 29 04:49
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schestowitzhttps://twitter.com/IAM_magazine/status/670903173566078976Nov 29 05:00
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@IAM_magazine: @schestowitz @FOSSpatents Some examples of IAM's recent EPO coverage: https://t.co/VowqwUJhSC https://t.co/3SPxESSZdRNov 29 05:00
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights--> www.iam-media.com | It is now incumbent on all sides to back full transparency at the EPO; and that does mean all and full - Blog - Intellectual Asset Management (IAM) - Maximising IP Value for BusinessNov 29 05:00
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights--> www.iam-media.com | No ifs, no buts - it is time to shine a bright and permanent light on the full workings of the EPO - Blog - Intellectual Asset Management (IAM) - Maximising IP Value for BusinessNov 29 05:00
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schestowitzhttps://twitter.com/Patentingenieur/status/670906233910648832Nov 29 05:06
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@Patentingenieur: Die nächste europäische Institution, die sich die Krise gibt, ist das Europäische Patentamt: https://t.co/d2ZyjJVeLqNov 29 05:06
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TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     Would stock Android make you more likely to buyNov 29 09:51
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Would stock Android make you more likely to buy a Chinese smartphone? | Tux MachinesNov 29 09:51
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.androidpit.com | Would stock Android make you more likely to buy a Chinese smartphone? - AndroidPITNov 29 09:51
TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     Radeon DRM Linux 4.4 + Mesa 11.1 + DRI3 vs.Nov 29 10:14
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Radeon DRM Linux 4.4 + Mesa 11.1 + DRI3 vs. AMD's Proprietary Driver | Tux MachinesNov 29 10:14
TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     Gentoo-Based Sabayon Linux 15.12 Is Out,Nov 29 10:14
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Gentoo-Based Sabayon Linux 15.12 Is Out, Raspberry Pi 2 Version Incoming | Tux MachinesNov 29 10:14
schestowitzhttps://www.reddit.com/r/KotakuInAction/comments/3untlt/european_patent_office_attempting_to_censor_tech/Nov 29 10:24
schestowitz"Still, it exists. I'm more or less surprised that there was someone who didn't want to read so badly that they fucking programmed a bot to skim through articles and at least attempt to summarize shit. Dude probably spent more time making the bot than he would ever have reading a long article. "Nov 29 10:24
schestowitz"These are some emails I sent on behalf of @schestowitz to the European Patent Office: http://techrights.org/2015/11/29/epo-twisting-defamation-law/ …"Nov 29 10:51
schestowitzhttps://twitter.com/DavidAllenGreen/status/670991604195438592Nov 29 10:51
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | How the EPO Twisted Defamation Law in a Failed Bid to Silence Techrights | TechrightsNov 29 10:51
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-No status found with that ID.Nov 29 10:51
schestowitzhhmmm. tweet deleted, maybe typo?Nov 29 10:52
schestowitzHere is what I wrote a month ago: "Spoke to the lawyer today. First assessment: the letter I received is basically "prank letter" (his words), not written by a professional, complete "bullshit" (his words). The lawyer is a renowned libel attorney and journalist. It looks like another new scandal in the making as I'm not the only target of such letters. Let's not mention anything publicly just yet."Nov 29 11:23
schestowitzhttps://twitter.com/LozKaye/status/671001050531373057Nov 29 11:23
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@LozKaye: I take a very dim view of #EPO trying to strongarm Dr @schestowitz ... Though the legal replies from DAG are pretty funny.Nov 29 11:23
schestowitzhttps://twitter.com/glynmoody/status/670987862381363200Nov 29 11:23
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@glynmoody: don't miss this brilliant pro bono work from @DavidAllenGreen in response to clumsy #EPO bullying https://t.co/M6wPQlQr8fNov 29 11:23
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz: @glynmoody How the #EPO Twisted Defamation Law in a Failed Bid to Silence Techrights https://t.co/tglhqcL5DD more to come...Nov 29 11:23
schestowitzThis is slipping out of control for EPO now...Nov 29 11:23
schestowitzThis judge/IT specialist is accused of speaking to colleagues about Topic (see http://techrights.org/2014/11/16/six-criminal-lawsuits-against-zeljko-topic/ ), but EPO goes further by accusing him of speaking to the media or orchestrating something a lot larger than that (which may be a bogus accusation and even if true an allegation, such an action may be justified). Now there is a character assassination campaign because his BOA colleagues Nov 29 11:24
schestowitzand the AC refuse to fire him  (EPO cannot directly, it would be against the law and would thus result in embarrassment, maybe even a lawsuit). I believe he is now on 'house ban' with pay halved.Nov 29 11:24
schestowitzIf he is not a whistleblower per se, then he is one who speaks truth to power and gets punished for it. Retaliation by smear campaign, in collusion with the media. I am going to stay up until late tonight and write about this truly disturbing situation. Notice that threats against me were made on the same day Battistelli and his chums smeared the man in front of his entire staff, a day after the hack job had been 'planted' in Dutch and Nov 29 11:24
schestowitzGerman media (that's the two locations of the EPO, although Munich is larger a centre). Some of today's comments in IP Kat speak volumes.Nov 29 11:25
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Special Report: Many Criminal Charges Against EPO Vice-President Željko Topić | TechrightsNov 29 11:25
schestowitzhttp://ipkitten.blogspot.co.uk/2015/11/eponia-land-of-suspense-and-suspensions.html?showComment=1448787782889Nov 29 11:26
schestowitz"Nov 29 11:26
schestowitzThose inside the EPO defo remember that a former PD for the HR told us that we leave our nationality at the front door when we go into the EPO, implying that once in, in his opinion, we have no national representative to talk to. This guy's English was good enough that he did not misspeak.Nov 29 11:26
schestowitzHe was also the person who charged someone with breaking the rule about not talking to people outsde the EPO and bring disrepute - ok it's in the rules, but this guy, his job was to talk to the fire department about safety in the buildings, especially when the plan of the building changed because of building works. Kind of important, but disrepute? So much for duty of care. People get suspended for doing this, never minding that there are Nov 29 11:26
schestowitzgreat big holes in the side od the EPO Main building.Nov 29 11:26
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-ipkitten.blogspot.co.uk | The IPKat: Eponia: Land of Suspense and SuspensionsNov 29 11:26
schestowitzThis guy also had his permission to take a maximum 3 years of unpaid leave magically extended to 5 years, he is now at OHIM in Alicante - his identity is well known - and thinking that he is very restricted by having to stick by those annoying laws, with an annoing European Court of Justice that makes you stick to them.Nov 29 11:26
schestowitzNote to readers - there are lots of people at EPO with studies and degrees in Law, from all over Europe, but really few of them are in upper management or even the law department - as you can see from the make-you-laugh tries of management to sack a DG3 member. Lots of us, know much better - or are much more honest - when talking about the "Rule of Law" which Batistelli talks so much about and comprehensively ignores. Eglish colleagues say "Nov 29 11:26
schestowitzby their deads will you know them". Nealr nobody knows this until you have entered the office. By the way we're hiring but not many strongly criticing patent attorneys applying. Hmmm, strange ... Nov 29 11:26
schestowitz"Nov 29 11:26
schestowitz"Nov 29 11:26
schestowitzFreedomdreams says:Nov 29 11:26
schestowitzJust came accross the following article.Nov 29 11:26
schestowitzhttps://www.washingtonpost.com/news/the-switch/wp/2014/07/31/inside-the-stressed-out-time-crunched-patent-examiner-workforce/Nov 29 11:26
schestowitzIt is sometimes good to work in a country which has free speech in the constitution. Nov 29 11:26
schestowitz"Nov 29 11:26
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.washingtonpost.com | Inside the stressed-out, time-crunched patent examiner workforce - The Washington PostNov 29 11:26
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schestowitz> Hi Roy,Nov 29 11:34
schestowitz> Nov 29 11:34
schestowitz> My question was is this going to be a regular feature on Tux Machines?Nov 29 11:34
schestowitz> Inquiring minds want to know. :-)Nov 29 11:34
schestowitzOpenwashing will become a regular thing. I used to just omit it from TM as it may be seen as 'controversial'.Nov 29 11:34
schestowitzBTW, Tux Machines has been under DDOS attacks for almost 3 days now (see the Blogs section). It's not Baidu, it's a agent-shifting attacker pretending to be all sorts of things. Rianne and I have been fighting to keep the site online.Nov 29 11:34
schestowitzWorth mentioning in FOSS Force; I can produce evidence for you too see (just takes a bit of time)...Nov 29 11:34
schestowitzhttps://twitter.com/zeno001/status/671003617424482304Nov 29 11:34
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@zeno001: @schestowitz @glynmoody Just brilliant! cc @DavidAllenGreenNov 29 11:34
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schestowitzPrivate Eye has just picked up this story and publicised it too, I'mNov 29 11:59
schestowitztold (half an hour ago). That's why the EPO is so worried.Nov 29 11:59
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schestowitzhttps://twitter.com/doortje/status/671008238146572288Nov 29 12:11
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@doortje: @2525 The European Patent Office (EPO) is strong-arming bloggers https://t.co/7vH10s57tiNov 29 12:11
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz: @glynmoody How the #EPO Twisted Defamation Law in a Failed Bid to Silence Techrights https://t.co/tglhqcL5DD more to come...Nov 29 12:11
schestowitz> Suggestion: It may seem a bit less controversial if you remove "fakeNov 29 12:18
schestowitz> FOSS." Maybe head the section "Openwashing & Fauxpen."Nov 29 12:18
schestowitzGood idea, and I think I did that recently.... I removed the "semi" thing... in techrights at least, changed my template...Nov 29 12:18
schestowitz Nov 29 12:18
schestowitz> Why don't you send me the evidence.Nov 29 12:18
schestowitzIt would take some time, I'd need to log in and send you massive log files. Can do so later this week (remind me). I'm very busy exposing EPO stuff at the moment...Nov 29 12:18
schestowitz> Questions: Who do you suspect is behind the attack?Nov 29 12:18
schestowitzNot sure, but in the past we suspected EPO seeks revenge. it makes sense for Techrights, not Tux Machines.Nov 29 12:18
schestowitzJust published:Nov 29 12:18
schestowitzhttp://techrights.org/2015/11/29/european-patent-office-slapp/Nov 29 12:18
schestowitzhttp://techrights.org/2015/11/29/epo-twisting-defamation-law/Nov 29 12:18
schestowitz> Does Tux Machines use a content delivery network to protect itself fromNov 29 12:18
schestowitz> ddos attacks. If so, why isn't that helping. If not, why?Nov 29 12:18
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Why the European Patent Office Cannot Really Sue and Why It’s All — More Likely Than Not — Just SLAPP | TechrightsNov 29 12:18
schestowitzI wrote a lot about this before. Performance, Tor, privacy issues, JavaScript and so on.Nov 29 12:18
schestowitzSo no, CDNs are out of the questions. Cloudflare are upset at me for writing what I do about them (publicly). Some of our clients (at work) use Cloudflare...Nov 29 12:18
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | How the EPO Twisted Defamation Law in a Failed Bid to Silence Techrights | TechrightsNov 29 12:18
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schestowitzhttps://twitter.com/FOSSpatents/status/671035837962952704Nov 29 13:41
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@FOSSpatents: @schestowitz It would be funny if you were given the right to conduct discovery of the EPO's dealings.Nov 29 13:41
schestowitzhttps://twitter.com/JOIE_95/status/671036034847780864Nov 29 13:41
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@JOIE_95: @schestowitz STOP saying that❌, Terrorism has no religion nor homelandNov 29 13:41
schestowitzhttps://www.joindiaspora.com/posts/6867967Nov 29 13:43
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: Trying hard to finish saying today everything that remains to be said about #epo bullying as tomorrow we publish a new EPO scandalNov 29 13:43
MinceRhttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iKcWu0tsiZMNov 29 13:47
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.youtube.com | Modern Educayshun - YouTube [ http://ur1.ca/obujd ]Nov 29 13:47
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Today and Yesterday in Techrights | Tux MachinesNov 29 13:50
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TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     Today and Yesterday in TechrightsNov 29 14:14
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Today and Yesterday in Techrights | Tux MachinesNov 29 14:14
schestowitzhttps://twitter.com/JOIE_95/status/671036034847780864Nov 29 14:16
*TweetTuxMachines @schestowitz retweeted @tuxmachines: 'Today and Yesterday in Techrights https://t.co/7lY9hsOI9E'Nov 29 14:21
*TweetTuxMachines @The_Code_Shirts retweeted @tuxmachines: 'Today and Yesterday in Techrights https://t.co/7lY9hsOI9E'Nov 29 14:21
schestowitzhttps://twitter.com/BuntyTrevanion/status/671004315226669063   https://twitter.com/JamesFInman/status/671009299649404928Nov 29 14:23
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@BuntyTrevanion: @DavidAllenGreen I adore ‘Yours Helpfully’ - at that moment I sniggered :-)Nov 29 14:23
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@JamesFInman: @DavidAllenGreen Nice work. Made me laugh in multiple places. Especially your use of “daft”. Apt.Nov 29 14:23
schestowitzhttps://twitter.com/TheMightyKM/status/671006591165046785  https://twitter.com/sirebel/status/671005297364869120  https://twitter.com/multiclassgeek/status/671005047250112512Nov 29 14:24
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@TheMightyKM: @DavidAllenGreen 'with respect, you do not seem to actually know what you are doing'. I'll be using that 😂.Nov 29 14:24
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@sirebel: @DavidAllenGreen @glynmoody "Daft" is a legal term then? ☺Nov 29 14:24
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@multiclassgeek: @DavidAllenGreen Given how much you despise (ab)use of Legal Letters, your response was far politer than EPO deserved #ArkellvPressdramNov 29 14:24
schestowitzhttps://twitter.com/effjbell/status/671003147142307840Nov 29 14:24
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@effjbell: @DavidAllenGreen @glynmoody would love to know the firms you were up against. Were they well known defamation firms or more mainstream?Nov 29 14:24
schestowitzhttps://twitter.com/BluebellBw/status/671006164453367808Nov 29 14:25
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@BluebellBw: @DavidAllenGreen Well done Mr. Green. People like you restore my faith in humanity.Nov 29 14:25
schestowitzhttps://twitter.com/BrianKWoods1/status/671047380133875712Nov 29 14:26
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@BrianKWoods1: #RichardLedgett says Snowden had options.Thomas Drake and others tried to work within the system and were prosecuted https://t.co/A2JP7n0iOlNov 29 14:26
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz: The "stop resisting!" mentality from #nsa https://t.co/vUf0jixlKp https://t.co/44zbSA0ayJ https://t.co/Jcu3SGauPB https://t.co/bHCMA6ZrFENov 29 14:27
schestowitzhttps://twitter.com/linux_rr/status/671046156307193856Nov 29 14:27
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@linux_rr: How the EPO Twisted Defamation Law in a Failed Bid to Silence Techrights https://t.co/AH2lduTPgn https://t.co/c1YCoBR82vNov 29 14:27
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights--> www.rightrelevance.com | Right Relevance : Influencers, Articles and ConversationsNov 29 14:27
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@linux_rr: How the EPO Twisted Defamation Law in a Failed Bid to Silence Techrights https://t.co/AH2lduTPgn https://t.co/c1YCoBR82vNov 29 14:27
schestowitzhttps://www.techdirt.com/articles/20151125/06173532901/european-patent-office-threatens-blogger-with-defamation-lawsuit-criticism.shtmlNov 29 14:34
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.techdirt.com | European Patent Office Threatens Blogger With Defamation Lawsuit For Criticism | TechdirtNov 29 14:34
schestowitz"Nov 29 14:34
schestowitzSounds familiar . . .Nov 29 14:34
schestowitzWho else punished people for criticising the glorious government?Nov 29 14:34
schestowitz"Nov 29 14:34
schestowitzhttps://twitter.com/linux_rr/status/671046156307193856Nov 29 14:34
TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     MakuluLinux Aero Edition now Live !Nov 29 14:48
TweetTuxMachines                 https://t.co/lof3q99KIf (makululinux.com)Nov 29 14:48
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-makululinux.com | MakuluLinux Aero Edition now Live ! | MakuluLinuxNov 29 14:48
TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     This $5 computer sold out in a dayNov 29 14:48
TweetTuxMachines                 https://t.co/3Er01B9vQT (wqad.com) no surpriseNov 29 14:48
TweetTuxMachines                 there, they could sell a billion...Nov 29 14:48
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-wqad.com | This $5 computer sold out in a day | WQAD.comNov 29 14:48
TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     Watch: Unity 8 and Unity 7 IndicatorsNov 29 14:48
TweetTuxMachines                 Side-by-Side Comparison https://t.co/egYuA2v15gNov 29 14:48
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-news.softpedia.com | Watch: Unity 8 and Unity 7 Indicators Side-by-Side ComparisonNov 29 14:48
schestowitzhttps://twitter.com/KrapulaPhD/status/671053185486864384Nov 29 14:59
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@KrapulaPhD: @schestowitz Cheers mate! You deserve a pint. But be sure they'll give you plenty of reasons more. Not for too long tough. Not for too long.Nov 29 14:59
schestowitzI thought about travelling to attend the demonstrationsNov 29 14:59
TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     Solus Operating System Gets a Fix for Acer C720Nov 29 15:10
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-news.softpedia.com | Solus Operating System Gets a Fix for Acer C720 BootNov 29 15:10
TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     Sabayon 15.12 Updates Plasma 5, GNOME 3.18 GoesNov 29 15:11
TweetTuxMachines                 Into Testing https://t.co/mFXKgg8eBsNov 29 15:11
TweetTuxMachines                 (www.phoronix.com) https://t.co/bFkbEFsZR6Nov 29 15:11
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.phoronix.com | Sabayon 15.12 Updates Plasma 5, GNOME 3.18 Goes Into Testing - PhoronixNov 29 15:11
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-news.softpedia.com | Gentoo-Based Sabayon Linux 15.12 Is Out, Raspberry Pi 2 Version IncomingNov 29 15:11
TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     Radeon DRM Linux 4.4 + Mesa 11.1 + DRI3 vs.Nov 29 15:11
TweetTuxMachines                 AMD's Proprietary DriverNov 29 15:11
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.phoronix.com | Radeon DRM Linux 4.4 + Mesa 11.1 + DRI3 vs. AMD's Proprietary Driver - PhoronixNov 29 15:11
TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     Sabayon 15.12 Updates Plasma 5, GNOME 3.18 GoesNov 29 15:11
TweetTuxMachines                 Into Testing https://t.co/OpDuWQVU7iNov 29 15:11
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Sabayon 15.12 Updates Plasma 5, GNOME 3.18 Goes Into Testing | Tux MachinesNov 29 15:11
TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     Radeon DRM Linux 4.4 + Mesa 11.1 + DRI3 vs.Nov 29 15:11
TweetTuxMachines                 AMD's Proprietary DriverNov 29 15:11
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Radeon DRM Linux 4.4 + Mesa 11.1 + DRI3 vs. AMD's Proprietary Driver | Tux MachinesNov 29 15:11
TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     Leftovers: Software https://t.co/gjrD7s7Xw4Nov 29 15:11
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Leftovers: Software | Tux MachinesNov 29 15:11
TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     today's howtos https://t.co/XYIGtMY7aJNov 29 15:12
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | today's howtos | Tux MachinesNov 29 15:12
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schestowitzhttps://twitter.com/deusexstigma/status/671062479363936256Nov 29 15:26
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@deusexstigma: @schestowitz jezaz..the hubris!!..how irredeemably stupid do they think we are?Nov 29 15:26
cubexyzlolNov 29 15:27
cubexyzok, not sure what's going on here Nov 29 15:27
cubexyzwell people keep using windows, that's pretty stupidNov 29 15:30
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cubexyzyou know, an iphone doesn't look like a iphoneNov 29 15:33
cubexyzpeople hold this thing up to their face that emits lightNov 29 15:33
cubexyzer, I mean an iphone doesn't look like a phone :)Nov 29 15:35
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r_schestowitzhttps://twitter.com/OfficiallyVaro/status/671065896668893184Nov 29 15:48
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@OfficiallyVaro: @schestowitz @EnVogueRogue thats such a dangerous practice. We have a media that's auto-tuned to think without thinking.Nov 29 15:49
r_schestowitztestNov 29 15:49
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r_schestowitz[20:38] <schestowitz> https://twitter.com/SeaH2ONymph/status/671065405771923458Nov 29 15:49
r_schestowitz[20:39] <schestowitz> Maybe he hasn't paid attention. He'd be back either in a sack or in handcuffs (until he's old and grey). #snowden #landOfTheBraveNov 29 15:49
sebsebseb Nov 29 15:49
r_schestowitzIs anyone else having IRC issues at the moment?Nov 29 15:49
sebsebseb Nov 29 15:49
sebsebseb Nov 29 15:49
r_schestowitzfreenode specifically?Nov 29 15:49
sebsebseb Nov 29 15:49
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@SeaH2ONymph: @schestowitz @Snowden He wants to return to #US... or perhaps he's just on hols?Nov 29 15:49
sebsebseb Nov 29 15:49
r_schestowitzOne of my clients cannot connectNov 29 15:49
cubexyznopeNov 29 15:49
sebsebsebnopeNov 29 15:49
sebsebsebjust connectedNov 29 15:49
r_schestowitzI wonder if they run some firewall after the recent DDOS attacksNov 29 15:50
sebsebsebwhich DDOS attacksNov 29 15:51
r_schestowitzhttp://fas.org/blogs/secrecy/2015/11/pelton-release/ http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3331537/Convicted-spy-Ronald-Pelton-freed-custody.htmlNov 29 15:51
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-fas.org | Soviet Spy Ronald W. Pelton to be Released from PrisonNov 29 15:51
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.dailymail.co.uk | Spy Ronald Pelton to be freed after 30 years for selling NSA secrets to Russia | Daily Mail Online [ http://ur1.ca/obusu ]Nov 29 15:51
XRevan86> 30 yearsNov 29 15:51
XRevan86> to RussiaNov 29 15:51
r_schestowitzhttp://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3331537/Convicted-spy-Ronald-Pelton-freed-custody.htmlNov 29 15:52
sebsebseb30 years in PrisionNov 29 15:52
XRevan86They wanted to say "to USSR", right?Nov 29 15:52
r_schestowitzyeah...Nov 29 15:52
r_schestowitzbut that wouldn't help the narrativeNov 29 15:52
r_schestowitzhttps://twitter.com/SeaH2ONymph/status/671067016929927168Nov 29 15:52
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@SeaH2ONymph: @schestowitz Next election candidates don't bode well for sea change in attitude either. Must remember: he was once CIA. Mindset eludes me.Nov 29 15:53
r_schestowitzhttps://twitter.com/deusexstigma/status/671067590844747778Nov 29 15:53
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@deusexstigma: @schestowitz ugh..really?..oh dear..look like Such Nice Folk..must forget facts of their bastardry immediately!Nov 29 15:53
r_schestowitzhttps://twitter.com/Sharonema/status/671071205433212929Nov 29 16:01
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@Sharonema: #thisisyourgovernment #bureacracy #corruption https://t.co/eSORRnbVuVNov 29 16:01
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz: #nsa just a bunch of nice people doing their job https://t.co/Zqyq8tdYnK https://t.co/UR7KhbTgQt https://t.co/Bd2tx7jWPL See?Nov 29 16:01
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cubexyzyes, NSA is great except:Nov 29 16:12
cubexyzhttp://www.maxhost.org/other/current-bios-situation.pngNov 29 16:12
r_schestowitzhttps://twitter.com/FrancisJeffrey7/status/671074208420601856Nov 29 16:13
r_schestowitzahaNov 29 16:15
r_schestowitznetsplitsNov 29 16:15
r_schestowitzhttps://www.joindiaspora.com/posts/6869306Nov 29 16:15
r_schestowitzhttps://twitter.com/FrancisJeffrey7/status/671075445874511872Nov 29 16:21
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r_schestowitzhttps://twitter.com/SeaH2ONymph/status/671085163225419778Nov 29 16:56
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@SeaH2ONymph: @schestowitz #ISIS: A taste for #Pringles, #RedBull, Apple #iPhones & takeaway food https://t.co/OhJTgy4LGuNov 29 16:57
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights--> www.cnbc.com | What ISIS really wants: Potato chips and candyNov 29 16:57
r_schestowitzh so they're like all of us. THE GOVERNMENT WAS RIGHT. We need EVERYONE spied on. #corporateMedia Nov 29 16:57
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r_schestowitzhttps://twitter.com/SeaH2ONymph/status/671086694481960962Nov 29 17:04
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@SeaH2ONymph: @schestowitz #ISIS "living the good life while everyone else suffers".. 'God willing, they'll eat it [the junk food] and get poisoned.'Nov 29 17:04
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r_schestowitzhttps://twitter.com/derpity_11/status/671088178636455940Nov 29 17:09
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r_schestowitzhttps://twitter.com/derpity_11/status/671088178636455940Nov 29 17:33
r_schestowitzhmmm... netsplits... and I can't loginNov 29 17:33
r_schestowitztotal fuckup... freenode still under ddos attacksNov 29 17:33
r_schestowitz> I'll tell him you said hello. :-)Nov 29 17:37
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cubexyzwhy would anyone attack freenode?Nov 29 18:02
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cubexyzmsb_, got suggestion for a book you might likeNov 29 18:04
cubexyzTrees on Mars: Our Obession with the Future by Hal NiedzvieckiNov 29 18:05
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msb_cubexyz: Thanks!Nov 29 18:08
msb_cubexyz: Have you read it?Nov 29 18:12
cubexyzno, but I've seen the author interviewed on TVONov 29 18:13
cubexyzhe's basically the anti-KurzweilNov 29 18:13
msb_seems kind of abstract from the description in amazonNov 29 18:14
msb_Lots of videos on youtube, eg, https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5FhPW1JpP_sNov 29 18:21
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.youtube.com | Hal Niedzviecki: Trees on Mars - YouTubeNov 29 18:21
msb_He's anti-technologyNov 29 18:22
msb_based on bullshit abstractions in his own mindNov 29 18:22
cubexyzI think that's a bit harshNov 29 18:23
cubexyzhe didn't appear anti-technology to me, just cautiousNov 29 18:23
msb_He says people don't want change, only stability.Nov 29 18:26
cubexyzyes, he does say thatNov 29 18:27
cubexyzI'm not sure I'm an pessimistic has he isNov 29 18:27
cubexyzs/an/as/Nov 29 18:27
MinceRi guess it makes sense in a wayNov 29 18:34
MinceRextinction yields a stable stateNov 29 18:34
MinceRand they're working as hard as they can toward thatNov 29 18:34
cubexyzI'm sort of a minimalist, e.g. try to use less resourcesNov 29 18:39
MinceRhumanity will use infinitely less resources once it manages to kill itselfNov 29 18:39
cubexyzany predictions on when that might happen?Nov 29 18:40
MinceRdunnoNov 29 18:40
MinceR20 years? 50? maybe 100?Nov 29 18:40
cubexyzscientists say humans have been around for about 200,000 yearsNov 29 18:42
cubexyzseems kind of wrong that things would stop that suddenly relatively speakingNov 29 18:42
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MinceRhumans have developed the means to exterminate themselvesNov 29 18:45
MinceRhumans have developed viral and extremely destructive memes (religions)Nov 29 18:45
MinceRhumans have put the former into the hands of the fundamentalists of the latterNov 29 18:45
r_schestowitzhttps://twitter.com/Sheikh_al_Touar/status/671111992829157376Nov 29 18:46
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@Sheikh_al_Touar: @schestowitz Bravo, excellent overview! Thanks for this marvellous summary!Nov 29 18:46
MinceRalso, humans are trying their damnedest to collide with the limit of population the planet can support as hard as possibleNov 29 18:46
MinceRthey won't be able to control the resultsNov 29 18:46
MinceR(and they won't want to, anyway)Nov 29 18:46
MinceRevery cult tries to outbreed the othersNov 29 18:46
cubexyzwell, not death cults, but yeah :)Nov 29 18:48
cubexyzHeaven's Gate and Jonestown would be counter examplesNov 29 18:49
cubexyzMillenarianism was clearly wrongNov 29 18:49
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MinceRabrahamic religions are effectively death cultsNov 29 18:51
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MinceRthey claim that if everybody dies, "good" guys are rewarded and "bad" guys are punished eternallyNov 29 18:51
MinceRtherefore killing everybody is goodNov 29 18:51
MinceRalso, most human religions are founded on the fear of deathNov 29 18:51
MinceRso in a way they're all death cultsNov 29 18:52
cubexyzwhat I mean is that people normally don't kill themselves or othersNov 29 18:52
MinceRand they can't even train or equip really good assassinsNov 29 18:52
MinceRso they're shitty death cultsNov 29 18:52
MinceRhttp://wh40k.lexicanum.com/wiki/Death_Cult_AssassinNov 29 18:53
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-wh40k.lexicanum.com | Death Cult Assassin - LexicanumNov 29 18:53
cubexyzyou only live so long, why rush it?Nov 29 18:54
MinceRmaybe they rush it because in their great fear of death they brainwashed themselves into believing that only what comes after death mattersNov 29 18:54
schestowitzMozilla annual report for 2014 https://www.mozilla.org/en-US/foundation/annualreport/2014/Nov 29 19:00
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.mozilla.org | The State of Mozilla: 2014 Annual Report — MozillaNov 29 19:00
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msb_I am 70 years old.  I enjoy living.  I do not want to die.Nov 29 19:03
cubexyznaturally not :)Nov 29 19:03
msb_Niedzviecki says, what's wrong with death.Nov 29 19:04
cubexyzthink "Mark of Gideon"Nov 29 19:04
cubexyzone possible scenario if there was no death or illnessNov 29 19:04
msb_Bob Newhart show: What's wrong with death?  It's just a part of life.  Yeah, the _last_ part.Nov 29 19:04
cubexyzNewhart must be getting up thereNov 29 19:05
cubexyz86 Nov 29 19:05
schestowitzhttps://twitter.com/ZigZag_IL/status/671118090973937665Nov 29 19:08
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@ZigZag_IL: @schestowitz that's a very outdated approach.Nov 29 19:08
schestowitzhttps://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/671075354283495426Nov 29 19:08
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz: When non-tech people ask what #ddos is, I tell them it's when #microsoft puts back doors in software and 'bad' guys exploit these (botnets)Nov 29 19:08
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msb_People could have fewer children.Nov 29 19:09
MinceRthey will, once they'll be deadNov 29 19:09
msb_MinceR: See a shrink.  You're constantly spamming this channel with your mental illness.Nov 29 19:10
MinceRmsb_: go attack somebody elseNov 29 19:13
msb_MinceR: Stop attacking the human race.Nov 29 19:13
msb_As to Niedzviecki, I think he's trying to make money by publishing an anti-Kurzweil book.  He uses all-or-nothing strawman premises.Nov 29 19:15
MinceRi'm not attacking the human raceNov 29 19:16
MinceRit's attacking itself.Nov 29 19:16
cubexyzI as practical matter, I don't think we are going to see the singularity or mind transfer any time soonNov 29 19:17
msb_Some technology is good.  Some is fun. Life-extension is good.Nov 29 19:17
cubexyznot 2045 at leastNov 29 19:17
cubexyzsure, I'm all for life-extension :)Nov 29 19:17
cubexyzeven for computersNov 29 19:18
msb_BITE ME -- InvisigothNov 29 19:20
cubexyzyes, umm, Niedzviecki is trying to make money (cough cough)Nov 29 19:23
MinceRi'm pretty sure Kurzweil is trying to make money, too :>Nov 29 19:23
msb_As things like global warming and fish depletion get worse, people will find workarounds.  Nov 29 19:23
MinceRwhat could possibly go wrong?Nov 29 19:24
cubexyzwell the sun could super-nova :)Nov 29 19:24
cubexyzthat would finish thingsNov 29 19:24
MinceRafaik it's far too light to go supernovaNov 29 19:24
cubexyzregular nova?Nov 29 19:24
MinceRfar too light for that tooNov 29 19:24
msb_But  Niedzviecki is trying to make money by pushing pessimism and making people hopeless.  That's evil.Nov 29 19:24
MinceRhttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chandrasekhar_limitNov 29 19:25
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-en.wikipedia.org | Chandrasekhar limit - Wikipedia, the free encyclopediaNov 29 19:25
cubexyzno, I think your both right, he's trying to sell booksNov 29 19:25
MinceRapparently it's 1.39 times the mass of the SunNov 29 19:25
cubexyzheck, I've got a couple of books in the works tooNov 29 19:25
MinceRnot as far as i thoughtNov 29 19:25
MinceRbut still safe to say the Sun won't go nova :>Nov 29 19:25
cubexyzok, great, one less thing to worry aboutNov 29 19:26
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MinceRhttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chandrasekhar_limit#ApplicationsNov 29 19:26
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-en.wikipedia.org | Chandrasekhar limit - Wikipedia, the free encyclopediaNov 29 19:26
MinceRthe limit for going nova might actually be higherNov 29 19:26
MinceRbut you'd have more luck asking an astrophysicistNov 29 19:27
msb_Kill for the love of killing!  Kill for the love of Kali Linux!Nov 29 19:27
MinceRmsb_: mehNov 29 19:27
schestowitzhttps://twitter.com/effjbell/status/671003147142307840Nov 29 19:28
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@effjbell: @DavidAllenGreen @glynmoody would love to know the firms you were up against. Were they well known defamation firms or more mainstream?Nov 29 19:28
schestowitzhttps://twitter.com/legalstudentuk/status/671072787877011457Nov 29 19:28
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@legalstudentuk: @DavidAllenGreen Beautiful writing. I do like a good, simply put, position.Nov 29 19:28
schestowitzhttps://twitter.com/DavidAllenGreen/status/670998863633907717Nov 29 19:28
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@DavidAllenGreen: In essence, the European Patent Office made a legal threat, and I was kind enough to point out that it really couldn't.Nov 29 19:28
msb_Sorry.  Chakra Linux set me off.Nov 29 19:29
cubexyzGunga Din?Nov 29 19:29
cubexyzI think you've said that expression beforeNov 29 19:30
msb_Yes, I'm a bad boy,Nov 29 19:30
MinceRso that's the guy Muttley wasn'tNov 29 19:30
msb_Huh?Nov 29 19:31
cubexyzKali was a Hindu goddess, so I guess the movie Gunga Din was referencing thatNov 29 19:32
cubexyzthe only Muttley I know was from wacky races :)Nov 29 19:34
MinceRthat's the oneNov 29 19:35
MinceRthough he was also in another cartoon, the name of which evades meNov 29 19:35
msb_what does Muttley have to do with Gunga Din or Kali?Nov 29 19:36
MinceRin the intro of one of those cartoons, Dick Dastardly claims he's not Gunga DinNov 29 19:36
cubexyzholy obscure reference Batman! :)Nov 29 19:36
oiaohmMinceR: wacky racersNov 29 19:37
oiaohmcubexyz: its in a song http://genius.com/2561131/Jay-z-american-dreamin/Wake-up-muttley-youre-dreaming-againNov 29 19:38
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-genius.com | Wake up Muttley, you're dreaming again – American Dreamin' Lyrics MeaningNov 29 19:38
cubexyzoiaohm, possibly in Australia you had a different titleNov 29 19:38
MinceRit was wacky races, but there was another tooNov 29 19:38
oiaohmcubexyz: wacky racers is series nameNov 29 19:38
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oiaohm Dastardly and Muttley in Their Flying Machines TV shows  spin off from memory.Nov 29 19:40
cubexyzbut it wasn't :)Nov 29 19:40
cubexyzthe title card said "Wacky Races"Nov 29 19:40
cubexyzunless this is another show I don't rememberNov 29 19:41
oiaohmhttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wacky_RacesNov 29 19:41
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-en.wikipedia.org | Wacky Races - Wikipedia, the free encyclopediaNov 29 19:41
MinceRthat one, i guessNov 29 19:41
oiaohmcubexyz: Yes there are 3 titles in wacky races set.    Wacky Races,  The Perils of Penelope Pitstop and Dastardly and Muttley in Their Flying Machines Nov 29 19:42
oiaohmWhat Mincer is referencing is sub cartoon in Dastardly and Muttley in Their Flying Machines Nov 29 19:42
cubexyzohNov 29 19:43
cubexyzso a cartoon within a cartoon?Nov 29 19:43
cubexyzI haven't seen the show in decadesNov 29 19:43
oiaohmcubexyz: yep its Magnificent Muttley 3 mins long inside each  Dastardly and Muttley in Their Flying Machines epsodeNov 29 19:44
cubexyz17 episdoes with 34 segmentsNov 29 19:44
msb_Never liked Muttley and Dastardly.  They were just psychopaths with no character development.  It's amazing how harmful some of those old cartoons were.Nov 29 19:44
cubexyzhahaNov 29 19:45
msb_On the other hand, Rocky and Bullwinkle was wonderful!Nov 29 19:45
MinceRlolNov 29 19:45
cubexyzwell, there are some Muttleys and Dastadlys in the worldNov 29 19:45
cubexyzDastardlysNov 29 19:45
msb_Yeah, but no need to create more of them!Nov 29 19:45
MinceRyeah, stop reproducing alreadyNov 29 19:45
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MinceRdogs tooNov 29 19:46
cubexyzsome of these cartoons I'm just barely old enough to rememberNov 29 19:46
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oiaohmcubexyz: here in Australia in the 1980 The 3 series of WackyRaces were being played  3 eposides a week end.   Yes very warp have eposide 1 from all them 1 after each other.Nov 29 19:47
msb_I remember a Flash Gordon cartoon series in which space ships were propelled by firing small rockets out the back.Nov 29 19:47
cubexyzI have some old Toronto Star newspapers from the 1930sNov 29 19:48
MinceRwhy didn't they just affix the small rockets to the rear of the space ship?Nov 29 19:48
cubexyzsome of them have Flash Gordon comics Nov 29 19:48
oiaohmMinceR: Flash Gordon writers and drawers had no idea of physics.Nov 29 19:48
cubexyzbut there were jetpacks?Nov 29 19:49
oiaohmWhat makes reading them such a laugh.Nov 29 19:49
cubexyzsort of similarNov 29 19:49
msb_The comics were beautiful.Nov 29 19:49
cubexyzok, started in 1934 so I actually have some of the earliest onesNov 29 19:50
oiaohmhttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dastardly_and_Muttley_in_Their_Flying_MachinesNov 29 19:50
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-en.wikipedia.org | Dastardly and Muttley in Their Flying Machines - Wikipedia, the free encyclopediaNov 29 19:50
cubexyzI scanned some of the comics, but not Flash Gordon:Nov 29 19:50
oiaohmTo be truthful some of the old cartoon designs are confusing.Nov 29 19:51
cubexyzhttp://cubexyz.blogspot.ca/search?q=chris+crustyNov 29 19:51
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-cubexyz.blogspot.ca | Notes on LinuxNov 29 19:51
oiaohmAs each eposide of Dastardly_and_Muttley_in_Their_Flying_Machines is 4 cartoons.Nov 29 19:51
oiaohmGlued into 1Nov 29 19:51
msb_The Flash Gordon serials, now on DVDs, were great.  Ming attacking Earth with Hot Hail and the Nitron Lamp.Nov 29 19:51
cubexyzoiaohm, you are saying they are showing the 1969 cartoons now?Nov 29 19:51
oiaohmcubexyz: they sometimes do here in Australia sometimes even older.Nov 29 19:52
cubexyzI haven't seen that stuff in 40 years :)Nov 29 19:52
msb_I admired Ming for his skill with technology.  He never really did much harm.Nov 29 19:52
msb_And his outfits were great!Nov 29 19:53
msb_Flash and Zarkov would always defeat him.Nov 29 19:54
cubexyzthere's a term for thatNov 29 19:54
cubexyzYellow Peril :)Nov 29 19:54
msb_Ooh, remember the Clay-Men.  They came out of the walls.Nov 29 19:54
cubexyznowadays the bad guys are Arabs :)Nov 29 19:55
oiaohmReally I always like Dastardly because he was mostly too sneaky for his own good.Nov 29 19:55
msb_Or properly, as in The Sum of All Fears, Nazis.Nov 29 19:56
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cubexyzI'm very surprised they are still re-running those old Hanna-Barbera cartoonsNov 29 19:56
msb_The slaves had to keep shoveling radium into the furnaces to keep the aerial cities suspended!Nov 29 19:56
cubexyzthe animation wasn't very goodNov 29 19:56
MinceR015537 < oiaohm> Really I always like Dastardly because he was mostly too sneaky for his own good.Nov 29 19:57
MinceRhttp://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/DickDastardlyStopsToCheatNov 29 19:57
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-tvtropes.org | Dick Dastardly Stops to Cheat - TV TropesNov 29 19:57
cubexyzdid Dastardly ever win a race?Nov 29 19:58
MinceRi don't remember anyNov 29 19:58
oiaohmhttp://www.factfiend.com/dick-dastardly-robbed-legitimate-victory-wacky-races/Nov 29 19:59
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.factfiend.com | Dick Dastardly Was Robbed of a Legitimate Victory in Wacky Races - Fact FiendNov 29 19:59
oiaohmDastardly won once in the cartoon series but then was disqualified.Nov 29 19:59
oiaohmHe also won in the wacky races real actor movie but gives it up to go after the girl again.Nov 29 20:00
MinceR:)Nov 29 20:00
MinceRthis said he won in Fender Bender 500Nov 29 20:04
MinceRthe tvtropes article, that isNov 29 20:04
oiaohmMinceR: I forgot that one.Nov 29 20:07
schestowitzhttps://twitter.com/KrapulaPhD/status/671133035807514624Nov 29 20:07
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@KrapulaPhD: @RossalynWarren @schestowitz No pro life, no family planning. May words soon become true and simple as stones.Nov 29 20:07
oiaohmFender Bender 500 epsode was done before the first eposide of wacky racersNov 29 20:07
MinceR:)Nov 29 20:08
oiaohmhttp://hanna-barbera.wikia.com/wiki/Fender_Bender_500Nov 29 20:08
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-hanna-barbera.wikia.com | Fender Bender 500 - Hanna-Barbera Wiki - WikiaNov 29 20:08
oiaohmYes Dastardly and Muttley are really the first chars of the wacky races set.Nov 29 20:08
oiaohmAs fender bender is racing against other hanna-barbera chars.Nov 29 20:09
MinceRthis says FB500 was _after_ WRNov 29 20:10
oiaohmMinceR: I got that backwards.Nov 29 20:12
oiaohmI know Dastardly and Muttley appeared in something before wacky races.Nov 29 20:12
schestowitzhttps://twitter.com/ActivistsNZ/status/671134152205475841Nov 29 20:19
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@ActivistsNZ: #PhilipKDick #Visionary https://t.co/Ey9s4koLrKNov 29 20:19
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz: The #Surveillance of Things (turning things into stuff that the vendor/seller still controls) https://t.co/IqtMy8rZYeNov 29 20:19
msb_Not to rain on anyone's parade, but even as kids we thought that Hanna-Barbera cartoons stunk.  Lousy characters, dialog, plots, no production values at all.Nov 29 20:39
MinceRwho is "we"Nov 29 20:39
MinceR?Nov 29 20:39
msb_Me and all my friends.Nov 29 20:40
msb_But we were pretty smart.Nov 29 20:40
MinceRwhat happened?Nov 29 20:40
msb_They were just cranked out to make money.Nov 29 20:41
msb_One friend became a lawyer, another a nuclear engineer on a submarine.  I became an electronics/computer/software engineer having lots of fun interfacing physics and biolNov 29 20:44
msb_biology experiments to computers.Nov 29 20:44
msb_One fun project as interfacing cheap fast 6502 kits to instrumentation, collecting and storing data rapidly, and then sending it to a DG Eclipse over a serial line.  We had several of the 6502 satellites.  Nov 29 20:48
msb_as -> wasNov 29 20:48
msb_Data analysis via Fortran in the Eclipse.  Nov 29 20:49
msb_Worked great!  The 6502s were loaded from audio tape recorders using a hack from Don Lancaster.Nov 29 20:51
msb_They only cost about $150.Nov 29 20:51
msb_Perfect cost-effective use of each computer for what it was best suited for.Nov 29 20:54
msb_I think the 6502s used static RAM, so there was no sampling jitter from refresh.Nov 29 20:55
msb_None of the scientists had to care about what other experiments were running, or if the Eclipse was loaded down.Nov 29 20:57
msb_Only problem was, I had arranged with the computer broker to get the perfect matched set of Eclipse, RAM, and FPU.  But the UC purchasing department decided that my PO was too verbose and deleted a lot of the text.  The broker ended up selling the Eclipse to Red China, and I had to scope out another one and modify it.Nov 29 21:02
msb_So now if L.A. gets accurately H-bombed, you'll know why.Nov 29 21:04
msb_The FPU was several square feet of MSI.  Woof!Nov 29 21:07
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cubexyzactually the computers I remember using the 6502 used DRAM for memoryNov 29 21:21
cubexyzI think there were some hardware hackers that actually replaced the DRAM with SRAM thoughNov 29 21:22
cubexyzso both were possible, at least in some computersNov 29 21:22
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cubexyzbut normally I saw DRAMNov 29 21:23
cubexyzthe early home computers had to be inexpensive so DRAM was usedNov 29 21:30
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msb_Unlike computers for hobby purposes, these 6502s didn't need RAM for big BASIC and display programs.  Just the 4K for data storage and the assembly for sampling a transmitting the data.Nov 29 21:37
msb_a -> andNov 29 21:38
cubexyznowadays you can get SRAM chips pretty cheapNov 29 21:41
cubexyz256kbitNov 29 21:41
cubexyzso 32k x 8Nov 29 21:42
cubexyzmaybe $10 for two of themNov 29 21:42
msb_Hobby 6502s from Popular Electronics interfaced to a used (we couldn't afford a new one) DG Eclipse.Nov 29 21:45
msb_I was in hog heaven.  Except I was in a room with some very loud centrifuges.Nov 29 21:48
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cubexyzyes early proto-Unix was written for a PDP-7 with 8kb of 18-bit wordsNov 29 22:08
cubexyz1969... no c language back thenNov 29 22:08
cubexyzamazing what some people could do with small memory spacesNov 29 22:12
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MinceRalso amazing how some people waste lots of memoryNov 29 22:13
cubexyzyes, unfortunately trueNov 29 22:13
cubexyzI thought 9 megs of ram on my Amiga was a huge memory spaceNov 29 22:16
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cubexyzI'm currently running Unix v5 in 2 megs of ram quite comfortablyNov 29 22:20
cubexyzeven got Unix v7 for Interdata 7/32Nov 29 22:21
MinceRi have a web browser eating more than 300MB RAMNov 29 22:22
MinceRwhich is pretty low for its usual performanceNov 29 22:22
cubexyz:)Nov 29 22:22
MinceR300MB RAM just to render text with links and picturesNov 29 22:22
MinceRabsurdNov 29 22:22
cubexyzwell if it's _just_ text and pictures try dilloNov 29 22:22
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cubexyzon my small memory systems, e.g. 256 meg or less (ha) then it's dillo all the wayNov 29 22:26
cubexyzI recently got ar-new (ar for v6) to work on v5Nov 29 22:29
cubexyza lot of the archives were Unix v6 archivesNov 29 22:30
cubexyzso it was very necessary to be able to transfer groups of files as one archive into v5Nov 29 22:31
MinceRi've seen dillo crash on close tabNov 29 22:33
cubexyzreally? which version?Nov 29 22:33
MinceRand CSS support tends to result in it stretching images stupidlyNov 29 22:33
MinceRprobably 3.0.2Nov 29 22:33
MinceRit also refuses to display certain pages at allNov 29 22:33
MinceRwon't even follow redirects from http://t.co/...Nov 29 22:34
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MinceRit also refuses to load certain picturesNov 29 22:34
cubexyz3.1 is supposed to be a lot betterNov 29 22:38
cubexyzunforuntately it's not out yetNov 29 22:38
MinceR:)Nov 29 22:39
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schestowitzhttps://twitter.com/fflandro/status/671283332538310656Nov 30 06:08
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@fflandro: @schestowitz His biggest affinity is for vaccinating (almost) every human on planet E....? He is a EugenicistNov 30 06:08
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TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     Top 5 ways to reuse an Android deviceNov 30 06:10
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TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     Voice of the Masses: CHIP vs Pi Zero – whichNov 30 06:10
TweetTuxMachines                 excites you more? https://t.co/uiSIX0UB8CNov 30 06:10
TweetTuxMachines                 (www.linuxvoice.com)Nov 30 06:10
TweetTuxMachines........................................  http://ur1.ca/obwisNov 30 06:10
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.linuxvoice.com | Voice of the Masses: CHIP vs Pi Zero – which excites you more? | Linux VoiceNov 30 06:10
TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     PeaZip 5.9.0 Open Source Archiver Adds SupportNov 30 06:10
TweetTuxMachines                 for Extracting RAR5 Files on LinuxNov 30 06:10
TweetTuxMachines                 https://t.co/ckpt6xx8NR (news.softpedia.com)Nov 30 06:10
TweetTuxMachines........................................  http://ur1.ca/obwitNov 30 06:10
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-news.softpedia.com | PeaZip 5.9.0 Open-Source Archiver Adds Support for Extracting RAR5 Files on LinuxNov 30 06:10
TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     The Nexus 6P takes Android smartphones to newNov 30 06:10
TweetTuxMachines                 heights (Review) https://t.co/pGg7Q4veSBNov 30 06:10
TweetTuxMachines                 (www.androidguys.com)Nov 30 06:10
TweetTuxMachines........................................  http://ur1.ca/obwiuNov 30 06:10
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.androidguys.com | The Nexus 6P takes Android smartphones to new heights (Review)Nov 30 06:10
TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     APT 1.1.2 Package Manager Lands in DebianNov 30 06:11
TweetTuxMachines                 Unstable, Brings More BugfixesNov 30 06:11
TweetTuxMachines                 https://t.co/oecyBLjUhD (www.tuxmachines.org)Nov 30 06:11
TweetTuxMachines........................................  http://ur1.ca/obwiwNov 30 06:11
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | APT 1.1.2 Package Manager Lands in Debian Unstable, Brings More Bugfixes | Tux MachinesNov 30 06:11
TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     Zaragoza continues its transition to openNov 30 06:12
TweetTuxMachines                 source https://t.co/pceA0HSgHMNov 30 06:12
TweetTuxMachines                 (www.tuxmachines.org)Nov 30 06:12
TweetTuxMachines........................................  http://ur1.ca/obwj0Nov 30 06:12
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Zaragoza continues its transition to open source | Tux MachinesNov 30 06:13
TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     What’s behind Europe’s love affair withNov 30 06:13
TweetTuxMachines                 open-source? https://t.co/rfHiJ3CLx9Nov 30 06:13
TweetTuxMachines                 (www.tuxmachines.org)Nov 30 06:13
TweetTuxMachines........................................  http://ur1.ca/obwj7Nov 30 06:13
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | What’s behind Europe’s love affair with open-source? | Tux MachinesNov 30 06:13
msb__Freenode was DOS'ed for at least 3 hours.  Could this have been EPO?Nov 30 06:13
TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     MKVToolNix 8.6.1 Open Source MKV Split andNov 30 06:13
TweetTuxMachines                 Merge Tool Now Available for DownloadNov 30 06:13
TweetTuxMachines                 https://t.co/38MgDCPGot (www.tuxmachines.org)Nov 30 06:13
TweetTuxMachines........................................  http://ur1.ca/obwj9Nov 30 06:14
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | MKVToolNix 8.6.1 Open Source MKV Split and Merge Tool Now Available for Download | Tux MachinesNov 30 06:14
TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     qBittorrent 3.3 Open Source BitTorrent ClientNov 30 06:14
TweetTuxMachines                 Released, Finally Switches to Qt 5Nov 30 06:14
TweetTuxMachines                 https://t.co/OvZINxhmTs (www.tuxmachines.org)Nov 30 06:14
TweetTuxMachines........................................  http://ur1.ca/obwjcNov 30 06:14
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | qBittorrent 3.3 Open Source BitTorrent Client Released, Finally Switches to Qt 5 | Tux MachinesNov 30 06:14
TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     $89 Symple PC Project Evidently DeadNov 30 06:15
TweetTuxMachines                 https://t.co/wGg7jH1ASs (fossforce.com)Nov 30 06:15
TweetTuxMachines........................................  http://ur1.ca/obwjiNov 30 06:15
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-fossforce.com | $89 Symple PC Project Evidently Dead | FOSS ForceNov 30 06:15
TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     Solus Linux OS Gets New Daily ISO, Budgie NextNov 30 06:15
TweetTuxMachines                 Improvements, Updated InstallerNov 30 06:15
TweetTuxMachines                 https://t.co/L0QBcD5YX3 (news.softpedia.com)Nov 30 06:15
TweetTuxMachines........................................  http://ur1.ca/obwjjNov 30 06:15
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-news.softpedia.com | Solus Linux OS Gets New Daily ISO, Budgie Next Improvements, Updated InstallerNov 30 06:15
TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     New Ubuntu Arabic and Hebrew Fonts Finally LandNov 30 06:15
TweetTuxMachines                 in Ubuntu 16.04 LTS (Xenial Xerus)Nov 30 06:15
TweetTuxMachines                 https://t.co/NreQC9d0Tk (news.softpedia.com)Nov 30 06:15
TweetTuxMachines........................................  http://ur1.ca/obwjkNov 30 06:15
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-news.softpedia.com | New Ubuntu Arabic and Hebrew Fonts Finally Land in Ubuntu 16.04 LTS (Xenial Xerus)Nov 30 06:15
TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     Creating a laser light show with FedoraNov 30 06:15
TweetTuxMachines                 https://t.co/2ze0CuXnFS (fedoramagazine.org)Nov 30 06:15
TweetTuxMachines........................................  http://ur1.ca/obwjlNov 30 06:15
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TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     Linux 4.4-rc3 https://t.co/f7bQOyv5IVNov 30 06:16
TweetTuxMachines                 (lkml.iu.edu)Nov 30 06:16
TweetTuxMachines........................................  http://ur1.ca/obwjtNov 30 06:16
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-lkml.iu.edu | Linux-Kernel Archive: Linux 4.4-rc3Nov 30 06:16
TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     qBittorrent 3.3 Open Source BitTorrent ClientNov 30 06:16
TweetTuxMachines                 Released, Finally Switches to Qt 5Nov 30 06:16
TweetTuxMachines                 https://t.co/i0ZHFr2lL7 (news.softpedia.com)Nov 30 06:16
TweetTuxMachines........................................  http://ur1.ca/obwjuNov 30 06:16
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-news.softpedia.com | qBittorrent 3.3 Open Source BitTorrent Client Released, Finally Switches to Qt 5Nov 30 06:16
TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     APT 1.1.2 Package Manager Lands in DebianNov 30 06:16
TweetTuxMachines                 Unstable, Brings More BugfixesNov 30 06:16
TweetTuxMachines                 https://t.co/2bdKWqzBgJ (linux.softpedia.com)Nov 30 06:16
TweetTuxMachines........................................  http://ur1.ca/obwjvNov 30 06:16
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-linux.softpedia.com | APT 1.1.2 Package Manager Lands in Debian Unstable, Brings More BugfixesNov 30 06:16
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schestowitzhttps://twitter.com/pinguinpatje/status/671286483064631296Nov 30 06:19
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@pinguinpatje: @schestowitz you mean you actually sleep? :)Nov 30 06:19
schestowitz8 hours last nightNov 30 06:20
TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     Zaragoza continues its transition to openNov 30 06:40
TweetTuxMachines                 source https://t.co/q5qLtP5eBqNov 30 06:40
TweetTuxMachines                 (joinup.ec.europa.eu)Nov 30 06:40
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-joinup.ec.europa.eu | Zaragoza continues its transition to open source | JoinupNov 30 06:40
TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     What’s behind Europe’s love affair withNov 30 06:40
TweetTuxMachines                 open-source? https://t.co/TUbzMii87ANov 30 06:40
TweetTuxMachines                 (www.networkworld.com)Nov 30 06:40
TweetTuxMachines........................................  http://ur1.ca/obwliNov 30 06:40
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.networkworld.com | What’s behind Europe’s love affair with open-source? | Network WorldNov 30 06:40
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schestowitzhttps://twitter.com/SleepyPenguin1/status/671336982946177024Nov 30 12:15
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@SleepyPenguin1: To be honest @libreoffice is much better. Microsoft prices high-end Office 365 E5 at $420 a year @schestowitz https://t.co/dNS3B7x8ZdNov 30 12:15
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights--> www.zdnet.com | Microsoft prices high-end Office 365 E5 at $420 per user per year | ZDNetNov 30 12:15
schestowitz> Hi Roy,Nov 30 12:21
schestowitz> Nov 30 12:21
schestowitz> Working on the article now. Is the attack still underway or has it letNov 30 12:21
schestowitz> up? Also, how would you compare the strength or robustness of thisNov 30 12:21
schestowitz> attack with the attack that affected Tux Machines and Techrights inNov 30 12:21
schestowitz> Sept/Oct of 2014?Nov 30 12:21
schestowitzThis one is a little easier to filter, except when the forged headers are altered.Nov 30 12:21
schestowitz> Hi Roy,Nov 30 12:29
schestowitz> Nov 30 12:29
schestowitz> Working on the article now. Is the attack still underway or has it letNov 30 12:29
schestowitz> up? Also, how would you compare the strength or robustness of thisNov 30 12:29
schestowitz> attack with the attack that affected Tux Machines and Techrights inNov 30 12:29
schestowitz> Sept/Oct of 2014?Nov 30 12:29
schestowitzYou can also mention the attempts to SLAPP us, I think it's relevant.Nov 30 12:29
schestowitzMaybe believe that EPO may have played a role in the past because there was a DDOS attack at the same time against the staff union's site.Nov 30 12:29
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TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     Today in Techrights  https://t.co/ANVAjtEzyeNov 30 12:30
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TweetTuxMachines @schestowitz    Nov 30 12:30
TweetTuxMachines........................................  http://ur1.ca/obx73Nov 30 12:30
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Today in Techrights | Tux MachinesNov 30 12:30
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cubexyzwhen do Microsoft's partners ever come out better after dealing with Microsoft?Nov 30 12:50
cubexyzthat's why I'm surprised Redhat makes deals with MicrosoftNov 30 12:50
cubexyzMicrosoft as a long history of back-stabbing other companiesNov 30 12:51
oiaohmcubexyz: when it a form of a double cross Nov 30 12:51
oiaohmLot of ODM have got advantage over their competition by getting cheaper licenses.Nov 30 12:52
cubexyzspy glass? stac electronics? Blue Mountain Arts? WP? Lotus?Nov 30 12:56
cubexyzultimate fate of stac electronics: dissolvedNov 30 12:57
cubexyzonly hardware manufacturers can surviveNov 30 12:58
cubexyzwell, hardware manufacturers and FOSSNov 30 12:59
cubexyzFOSS has the philosophical component that transcends moneyNov 30 12:59
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MinceRso, what devices does ratcrap manufacture?Nov 30 13:47
MinceRand which of them are shipped with m$ software? (not merely heavily inspired by m$, like systemd and kdbus)Nov 30 13:48
oiaohmMinceR: systemd is inspired by SMF and launchd.    Microsoft service starting does not contain proper tracking or isolation.Nov 30 13:54
oiaohmkdbus is inspired by dbus.Nov 30 13:55
MinceRneither does systemdNov 30 13:56
MinceRand no part of dbus is in the kernelNov 30 13:56
MinceRalso, does SMF put random things in the same process that do not belong together? windows nt is practically made of that ideaNov 30 13:57
MinceRespecially svchost.exeNov 30 13:57
oiaohmhttp://www.6wind.com/blog/6wind-and-red-hat-provide-first-open-software-platform-for-sdn-and-nfv/   Redhat partners on hardware things.Nov 30 13:58
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.6wind.com | 6WIND and Red Hat Provide First Open Software Platform for SDN and NFV | 6WINDNov 30 13:58
oiaohmMinceR: first generation SMF was more single blob than current day edition.Nov 30 13:59
MinceRyet it ran alongside init, didn't it?Nov 30 13:59
cubexyzSMF?Nov 30 14:00
MinceRat any rate, winblows did it well before slowlaris didNov 30 14:00
cubexyzMinceR, there's the NT source kicking around, but maybe that was before svchost.exeNov 30 14:00
oiaohmMinceR: no SMF nukes old init from solarisNov 30 14:01
cubexyzah, now I see... Service Management FacilityNov 30 14:01
oiaohmYep last word of it is worst nightmare than systemd.   Facility means set up kernel so it can do services at all.Nov 30 14:02
cubexyzwho cares about Solaris though, none of us use itNov 30 14:02
oiaohmcubexyz: redhat as they are trying to take out Solaris market share.Nov 30 14:02
MinceRhttps://docs.oracle.com/cd/E23824_01/html/821-1451/hbrunlevels-12863.htmlNov 30 14:02
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-docs.oracle.com | /etc/inittab File - Oracle Solaris Administration: Common Tasks [ http://ur1.ca/obxm0 ]Nov 30 14:02
MinceRsmf::sysinit:/lib/svc/bin/svc.startd    >/dev/msglog 2<>/dev/msglog </dev/consoleNov 30 14:02
MinceRit's right there in inittabNov 30 14:03
oiaohmNote the smf:: before it.Nov 30 14:03
MinceRon slowlaris 11Nov 30 14:03
oiaohmThat is like systemd container modes.Nov 30 14:03
MinceRthat's the id fieldNov 30 14:03
MinceRand the runlevels field, which is emptyNov 30 14:03
MinceRand the separators following bothNov 30 14:03
MinceRthey call the runlevels field "rstat", but it's the same thingNov 30 14:05
cubexyzfor the commandex connoisseurs only:Nov 30 14:12
cubexyzhttp://www.ebay.com/itm/Commandex-Videotex-Terminal-new-in-box-old-stock-Mint-Rare-old-hardware-/181885709743?hash=item2a593badaf:g:rz4AAOSwgQ9V4AKlNov 30 14:12
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.ebay.com | Commandex Videotex Terminal - new in box - old stock - Mint - Rare old hardware [ http://ur1.ca/obxnh ]Nov 30 14:12
oiaohmMinceR: The early SMF for solaris replaced init.   More modern keeps a compact init that restarts SMF if it dies.Nov 30 14:14
cubexyzoops, wrong window :-PNov 30 14:14
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oiaohmMinceR: basically the early form of SMF is as bad as current systemd but it grew up and improved.Nov 30 14:19
oiaohmMinceR: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Svchost.exe is also something Linux, Solaris.... No one else is hazard enough todo.    Svchost loads a dll and turns it into a service.Nov 30 14:20
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-en.wikipedia.org | svchost.exe - Wikipedia, the free encyclopediaNov 30 14:20
oiaohmMinceR: even in systemd there is nothing like Svchost.exeNov 30 14:20
TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     Today in Techrights https://t.co/Zg0NKy9y7DNov 30 14:33
TweetTuxMachines retweeted by    (www.tuxmachines.org)Nov 30 14:33
TweetTuxMachines @schestowitz    Nov 30 14:33
TweetTuxMachines........................................  http://ur1.ca/obx9cNov 30 14:33
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Today in Techrights | Tux MachinesNov 30 14:33
TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     Tux Machines Again Faces DDOS AttacksNov 30 14:33
TweetTuxMachines                 https://t.co/mOuFYtIpdj (www.tuxmachines.org)Nov 30 14:33
TweetTuxMachines........................................  http://ur1.ca/obxqeNov 30 14:33
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Tux Machines Again Faces DDOS Attacks | Tux MachinesNov 30 14:33
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MinceRoiaohm: yet.Nov 30 14:53
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amarsh04that took ages to get reconnectedNov 30 14:56
MinceRhttps://github.com/jfrazelle/systemd-buttsNov 30 14:57
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-github.com | jfrazelle/systemd-butts · GitHubNov 30 14:57
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cubexyzDell system without operating system cheap:Nov 30 16:00
cubexyzhttp://slickdeals.net/f/8298519-dell-poweredge-t20-servers-g3220-dual-core-139-xeon-e3-1225-v3-quad-279-free-s-h-backNov 30 16:00
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-slickdeals.net | Dell PowerEdge T20 Server: G3220 Dual Core, 4GB DDR3, Intel HD - Slickdeals.netNov 30 16:00
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MinceRi'm not buying dHell againNov 30 16:56
TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     FAmSCo Elections: Interview with Ben WilliamsNov 30 17:10
TweetTuxMachines                 (Southern_Gentlem / kk4ewt)Nov 30 17:10
TweetTuxMachines                 https://t.co/V3SGaIURlm (www.tuxmachines.org)Nov 30 17:10
TweetTuxMachines........................................  http://ur1.ca/oby9fNov 30 17:10
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | FAmSCo Elections: Interview with Ben Williams (Southern_Gentlem / kk4ewt) | Tux MachinesNov 30 17:10
TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     German aerospace centre in transit to openNov 30 17:10
TweetTuxMachines                 source https://t.co/2yMMPlzSpANov 30 17:10
TweetTuxMachines                 (www.tuxmachines.org)Nov 30 17:10
TweetTuxMachines........................................  http://ur1.ca/oby9gNov 30 17:10
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | German aerospace centre in transit to open source | Tux MachinesNov 30 17:10
TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     Camunda BPM 7.4: Camunda Releases LatestNov 30 17:10
TweetTuxMachines                 Version of its Open Source SoftwareNov 30 17:10
TweetTuxMachines                 https://t.co/vg27pvsycj (www.tuxmachines.org)Nov 30 17:10
TweetTuxMachines........................................  http://ur1.ca/oby9hNov 30 17:10
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Camunda BPM 7.4: Camunda Releases Latest Version of its Open Source Software | Tux MachinesNov 30 17:10
TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     IBM latest to open source AI programNov 30 17:10
TweetTuxMachines                 https://t.co/NmRoeUdLYH (www.tuxmachines.org)Nov 30 17:10
TweetTuxMachines........................................  http://ur1.ca/oby9iNov 30 17:10
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | IBM latest to open source AI program | Tux MachinesNov 30 17:10
TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     Ubuntu's Mainline Kernel Archive Finally HasNov 30 17:10
TweetTuxMachines                 Working Linux 4.4 KernelsNov 30 17:10
TweetTuxMachines                 https://t.co/vY7nbXsKh6 (www.tuxmachines.org)Nov 30 17:10
TweetTuxMachines........................................  http://ur1.ca/oby9jNov 30 17:10
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Ubuntu's Mainline Kernel Archive Finally Has Working Linux 4.4 Kernels | Tux MachinesNov 30 17:11
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schestowitz[21:56] <MinceR> i'm not buying dHell againNov 30 17:24
schestowitzAgain implies you did beforeNov 30 17:24
schestowitzI don't think I ever didNov 30 17:24
schestowitzhad some at workNov 30 17:24
schestowitzbut purchases by employer/sNov 30 17:24
schestowitz[19:57] <MinceR> https://github.com/jfrazelle/systemd-buttsNov 30 17:25
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-github.com | jfrazelle/systemd-butts · GitHubNov 30 17:25
schestowitzToo offensive for me to citeNov 30 17:25
schestowitzpeople would possibly call it homophobia, given common smears against LPNov 30 17:25
schestowitz[11:13] <msb__> Freenode was DOS'ed for at least 3 hours.  Could this have been EPO?Nov 30 17:27
schestowitzNo connectionNov 30 17:27
schestowitzfreenode is VAST in scopeNov 30 17:27
schestowitzand in IRC we don't chat much about EPONov 30 17:28
MinceRi did, and i regret itNov 30 17:28
schestowitzI have a Dell mouseNov 30 17:29
schestowitzbut I got it was a second-hand machine I bought (not Dell)Nov 30 17:30
schestowitzThis mouse is OK, but heavy and mechanicalNov 30 17:30
schestowitzso I can't use it on some surfacesNov 30 17:30
schestowitzalas, still worksNov 30 17:30
schestowitzmsb_: epo has more effective ways to combat ysNov 30 17:30
schestowitzI heard CRG (hired by EPO) spies on IRC with the I.U.Nov 30 17:30
schestowitzAnd I also know of SLAPP,  just MAYBE DDOS (don't have a smoking gun evidence yet)Nov 30 17:31
schestowitzThey haven't yet, AFAIK, tired character assassination against meNov 30 17:31
schestowitznot even in private letters that leakedNov 30 17:31
schestowitzwhen that starts I'd be gratidiedNov 30 17:31
schestowitzthey do character assassinations against staff reps and judges who protest nowNov 30 17:32
schestowitzbut not against journosNov 30 17:32
MinceRyetNov 30 17:32
schestowitzthis will be the subject of one of tomorrow's articlesNov 30 17:32
schestowitzSUEPO respondedNov 30 17:32
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schestowitzhe shot the messenger in his letter to French politiciansNov 30 17:32
schestowitzit'll just backfire...Nov 30 17:32
schestowitzMinceR: also something abotu Croatia tomorrowNov 30 17:32
schestowitzis croatian legible at all to Hungarians?Nov 30 17:33
schestowitzThey're both 'stans'Nov 30 17:33
schestowitz:-)Nov 30 17:33
schestowitzwithout the 'stan' in country name...Nov 30 17:33
schestowitzor "stalin"Nov 30 17:33
schestowitz(stalingrad)Nov 30 17:33
MinceRboth use latin scriptNov 30 17:34
schestowitzodd to think absurdistan used to share sovereignty with hitler's country of birthNov 30 17:34
MinceRso it's legibleNov 30 17:34
MinceRbut it's a different language familyNov 30 17:34
MinceR(indo-european vs. uralic)Nov 30 17:34
schestowitzI didn't know until 2 nights ago that Klitschko [sic] lives in HamburgNov 30 17:34
MinceR:)Nov 30 17:34
schestowitzMaybe another clostered ukrainian nazisNov 30 17:34
schestowitzthe crowd in east germany sure loved himNov 30 17:35
msb_schestowitz: Suggest you invest in a bulletproof vest, and vary your daily travel routes.  Remember: the swpats can make billions of dollars for ultra-wealthy psychopaths.Nov 30 17:35
schestowitzso hungarian is uralic, i suppose named after the uralic mountains?Nov 30 17:35
MinceRyesNov 30 17:35
schestowitzI got some translations from croatians anywayNov 30 17:35
schestowitzshort story:Nov 30 17:35
schestowitzepo got TopicNov 30 17:35
schestowitzwho crushed protests in CroatiaNov 30 17:36
schestowitznow he does the same in The Hague and MunichNov 30 17:36
schestowitzand I got his full correspondence, very juicy!Nov 30 17:36
msb_schestowitz: I'm not kidding.  Journalists are being murdered every day.  You would be easy to "crush".  Take care about your security.  Watch your 6.  It only takes once.Nov 30 17:38
schestowitzhttp://ipkitten.blogspot.co.uk/2015/11/read-it-for-yourself-enlarged-board.html?showComment=1448875555486Nov 30 17:38
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-ipkitten.blogspot.co.uk | The IPKat: Read it for yourself: Enlarged Board decision Art 23 1/15Nov 30 17:38
schestowitz"Nov 30 17:38
schestowitzThe Administrative Council is a supervisory body, but not a judicial or quasi-judicial body. There is no legal basis in the EPC for exercise of judicial or quasi-judicial duties by the Administrative Council by evaluating validity of evidences and their legal effects.Nov 30 17:38
schestowitzI fear that you do not understand how things are done around here Bubba ....Nov 30 17:38
schestowitzThe Administrative Council has nothing to do evaluating validity of evidences and their legal effects. This work is performed by the Investigative Unit.Nov 30 17:38
schestowitzThe AC is just there to rubber-stamp.Nov 30 17:38
schestowitzSo what's your problem exactly ?Nov 30 17:38
schestowitz"Nov 30 17:38
schestowitzmsb_: not many journalists die in the UKNov 30 17:38
schestowitzRianne goes around with me, so there's witness, in her paranoiac sort of view...Nov 30 17:39
schestowitz"Nov 30 17:39
schestowitzRead the hilarious exchange between the Lawyer of Dr. Schestowitz of Techrights and the one acting for the "EPO" and accusing him of "defamation":Nov 30 17:39
schestowitzHow the EPO Twisted Defamation Law in a Failed Bid to Silence TechrightsNov 30 17:39
schestowitz(a little down the page)Nov 30 17:40
schestowitzNote the striking similarity with the case of the member of the Board of Appeal. As Schestowitz's lawyer says:Nov 30 17:40
schestowitz"You have now – desperately – come up with “malicious falsehood” and “confidentiality” – but you do not set out the bases of your claims in respect of either claim."Nov 30 17:40
schestowitzLooks like they did not learn anything from Art 23 1/15, didn't they?Nov 30 17:40
schestowitz"Nov 30 17:40
schestowitz"Nov 30 17:40
schestowitzIf this is true then the President of the EPO will not be a happy SLAPPer :-)Nov 30 17:40
MinceR"The name "Uralic" derives from the fact that areas where the languages are spoken spread on both sides of the Ural Mountains. Also, the original homeland (Urheimat) is commonly hypothesized to lie in the vicinity of the Urals."Nov 30 17:40
schestowitzIn the past it seems that he has had much better luck in other jurisdictions ... Nov 30 17:40
schestowitz"Nov 30 17:40
schestowitzhttp://en.45lines.com/apology-zeljko-topic-regarding-deleted-article-regarding-epo/Nov 30 17:40
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-en.45lines.com | Apology to Željko Topić: Regarding the deleted article regarding EPO - EN 45lines.com [ http://ur1.ca/j89s4 ]Nov 30 17:40
schestowitz" Indeed. Mr. van der Eijk signed off G 1/14 on Nov. 19."Nov 30 17:40
schestowitz"Nov 30 17:40
schestowitzIndeed. Mr. van der Eijk signed off G 1/14 on Nov. 19.Nov 30 17:40
schestowitzExcellent news.Nov 30 17:40
schestowitzI am glad to hear that his health has greatly improved.Nov 30 17:40
schestowitzThis time last year he apparently had great difficulty signing off on some important documents for the Administrative Council:Nov 30 17:40
schestowitzThe Enlarged Board of Appeal Complains to the Administrative CouncilNov 30 17:41
schestowitz"Nov 30 17:41
schestowitzlinks to http://techrights.org/2014/12/09/exclusive-eboa/Nov 30 17:41
schestowitzI have too much material at the momentNov 30 17:41
schestowitzcan't publish it fast enoughNov 30 17:41
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Exclusive: The Enlarged Board of Appeal Complains About Battistelli’s Corrupt Management to the Administrative Council (Updated) | Techrights [ http://ur1.ca/obyd9 ]Nov 30 17:41
schestowitzWill try my best to deal with the backlog, like an EPO stressed patent examinerNov 30 17:41
schestowitzhttp://ipkitten.blogspot.co.uk/2015/11/eponia-land-of-suspense-and-suspensions.html?showComment=1448876042714Nov 30 17:44
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-ipkitten.blogspot.co.uk | The IPKat: Eponia: Land of Suspense and Suspensions [ http://ur1.ca/obydh ]Nov 30 17:44
schestowitz"Nov 30 17:44
schestowitz    Hugo'sBootNov 30 17:44
schestowitz    Dear Anonymous if you expect to be taken seriously, I suggest you drop silly comments like this 'not many strongly criticing [sic] patent attorneys applying'.Nov 30 17:44
schestowitz"Nov 30 17:44
TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     OS X 10.11 El Capitan vs. Fedora 23 LinuxNov 30 18:28
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TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     Turris Omnia is an open source router forNov 30 18:28
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Turris Omnia is an open source router for security-minded geeks | Tux MachinesNov 30 18:28
TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     Linux Mint 17.3 "Rosa" Is Now Available forNov 30 18:28
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Linux Mint 17.3 "Rosa" Is Now Available for Download - Screenshot Tour | Tux MachinesNov 30 18:28
TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     Enlightenment 0.20 Arrives With Full WaylandNov 30 18:37
TweetTuxMachines                 Support & Better FreeBSD SupportNov 30 18:37
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Enlightenment 0.20 Arrives With Full Wayland Support & Better FreeBSD Support | Tux MachinesNov 30 18:37
TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     Watch: Ubuntu 16.04 LTS with Unity 8 Gets a NewNov 30 18:37
TweetTuxMachines                 and Beautiful Official ThemeNov 30 18:37
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Watch: Ubuntu 16.04 LTS with Unity 8 Gets a New and Beautiful Official Theme | Tux MachinesNov 30 18:37
TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     uNav GPS Navigation App for Ubuntu PhonesNov 30 18:37
TweetTuxMachines                 Receives a Major Update https://t.co/7Eu8GIA9jCNov 30 18:37
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | uNav GPS Navigation App for Ubuntu Phones Receives a Major Update | Tux MachinesNov 30 18:37
*TweetTuxMachines @softpedialinux favourited 'Linux Mint 17.3 "Rosa" Is Now Available for...'Nov 30 18:37
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*TweetTuxMachines @softpedialinux favourited 'Watch: Ubuntu 16.04 LTS with Unity 8 Gets...'Nov 30 18:37
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schestowitzhttp://forums.theregister.co.uk/forum/1/2015/11/30/european_patent_office_launches_lawyers/Nov 30 20:06
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-forums.theregister.co.uk | European Patent Office fires up lawyers over claims of cosy love-in with Microsoft • The Register ForumsNov 30 20:06
schestowitz"Nov 30 20:06
schestowitzThis sounds like an organisation in crisisNov 30 20:06
schestowitz> He restructured the EPO, and ended a series of long-held practices including fixed wage rises and promotions tied to seniority rather than performance.Nov 30 20:06
schestowitzMakes me think that there is need of reform but the handling of it seems to have resulted in a sorry state of affairs. This sort of thing makes me question the state of European bureaucratic systems.Nov 30 20:06
schestowitz"Nov 30 20:06
schestowitz"Seriously, how long does it take to stamp over those 450 applications "Lambda calculus", "Not new invention", "Obvious to anyone in the field" and then process the leftover 3 or 4?"Nov 30 20:06
schestowitz"Nov 30 20:06
schestowitzAre you kidding me?!Nov 30 20:06
schestowitz"The US patent system is significantly cheaper and more efficient. Just let that sink in."Nov 30 20:06
schestowitzThe USPTO is a rubber stamping machine. They use the well known "award the patent and let the courts sort them out" approach.Nov 30 20:06
schestowitz"Nov 30 20:06
schestowitz"Do you know a cheaper and/or more efficient method? Perhaps you should patent it."Nov 30 20:07
schestowitz"Nov 30 20:07
schestowitzSame old same oldNov 30 20:07
schestowitz"As a European public organisation the EPO fully respects freedom of the press as a core value of an open society"Nov 30 20:07
schestowitzOr "your privacy".Nov 30 20:07
schestowitzOr "your phone call is important to us"Nov 30 20:07
schestowitzDon't they realise we all cottoned on to that years ago? Now it's a flag drawing attention to what they're trying to hide.Nov 30 20:07
schestowitz"Nov 30 20:07
schestowitzEl Reg tonight...Nov 30 20:14
schestowitzhttp://www.theregister.co.uk/2015/11/30/european_patent_office_launches_lawyers/Nov 30 20:14
schestowitzFOSS Patents, IPKat and others mentioned...Nov 30 20:14
schestowitztechrights mostlyNov 30 20:14
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.theregister.co.uk | European Patent Office fires up lawyers over claims of cosy love-in with Microsoft • The RegisterNov 30 20:14
schestowitzit's about our scoopNov 30 20:14
schestowitzsee last sentenceNov 30 20:14
schestowitzmicrosoft refuses to comment!Nov 30 20:15
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*TweetTuxMachines @softpedialinux favourited 'uNav GPS Navigation App for Ubuntu Phones Receives...'Nov 30 20:50
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Mesa 11.1 RC2 Brings Dozens Of Fixes | Tux MachinesNov 30 20:50
TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     Gorgeous Deepin 15 Linux OS Gets a Second AlphaNov 30 20:54
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Gorgeous Deepin 15 Linux OS Gets a Second Alpha Build with Many Features | Tux MachinesNov 30 20:54
TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     Default Local DNS Resolver Integration ProposedNov 30 20:54
TweetTuxMachines                 for Fedora 24 Linux https://t.co/h3bW6v3322Nov 30 20:54
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Default Local DNS Resolver Integration Proposed for Fedora 24 Linux | Tux MachinesNov 30 20:54
TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     Manjaro Update 2015-11-30 (stable)Nov 30 20:54
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Manjaro Update 2015-11-30 (stable) | Tux MachinesNov 30 20:55
*TweetTuxMachines @softpedialinux favourited 'Gorgeous Deepin 15 Linux OS Gets a Second...'Nov 30 20:55
msb_schestowitz: The article in The Register is excellent!Nov 30 20:59
MinceRwhich is somewhat unusual for themNov 30 20:59
msb_I've read a lot of good stuff in da Reg over the years, Mr. Sourpuss.Nov 30 21:03
MinceRso have i, but almost all of that was in the BOFH sectionNov 30 21:04
cubexyzso the story that was removed from techrights I assume was re-enstated?Nov 30 21:05
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msb_I don't even remember a BOFH section in da Reg (but I see it now).Nov 30 21:12
cubexyzhttp://www.maxhost.org/other/24-hour-bsod.pngNov 30 21:25
cubexyzwant a big mac? too bad:Nov 30 21:27
cubexyzhttp://www.maxhost.org/other/mcdonalds-bsod.jpgNov 30 21:27
cubexyzI think that might have been a BAD_FOR_YOUR_DIGESTIVE_SYSTEM error :)Nov 30 21:32
msb_I still want to see a huge BSOD in the sky.  From his description in the bibble, I would expect Yahweh to choose MS-Windows.Nov 30 21:36
cubexyzyou have become BSOD-normative :)Nov 30 21:36
cubexyzpeople shouldn't accept mediocre softwareNov 30 21:37
cubexyzwhy in the world should a coke machine BSOD?Nov 30 21:39
msb_I'm saying that Yahweh's doctrines -- male-supremacist, authoritarian, etc. -- indicate that he's the sort of being who would favor Microshit.Nov 30 21:41
cubexyzsomething is really wrong that windows is the dominant OS Nov 30 21:43
msb_People have been programmed not to think.Nov 30 21:44
msb_Because that makes them willing slaves of the ultra-wealthy.Nov 30 21:44
msb_All such software issues when followed back to their cause turn out to be due to -- Schestowitz forgive me -- politics!Nov 30 21:46
oiaohmmsb_: not all software issues trace back to politicesNov 30 21:48
oiaohmPercentage are pure lazyness.Nov 30 21:48
cubexyzright, I was just about to sayNov 30 21:48
cubexyzdoes Microsoft use marketing to control minds? yesNov 30 21:48
oiaohmNot exactly.Nov 30 21:48
cubexyzsure, they used to target programmers with special ads/junk mailNov 30 21:49
oiaohmMicrosoft uses lot of the same methods as big tabbacco remember when you could buy candy cigerates.Nov 30 21:49
oiaohmMost people overlook Microsoft book publication arm and production.Nov 30 21:50
msb_Thinking is fun!  But people are programmed to believe that it's an unpleasant effort, and thus "laziness" leads to refusal to think.Nov 30 21:50
cubexyzI think it may be worse than that... people can't fix things or build thingsNov 30 21:51
cubexyzall the old skills are disappearingNov 30 21:51
cubexyzsewing, knitting, making clothes, shoes, etcNov 30 21:52
oiaohmThose things disappearing is not politicsNov 30 21:52
cubexyzsurely white box PC building is more rare nowNov 30 21:52
oiaohmcubexyz: white box building is more rare due to Microsoft deals with ODM's giving them cheaper licenses than whitebox makers can buy.Nov 30 21:53
msb_The core of Critical Thinking is the ability and intention to examine the operation of one's own mind, and to figure out whiy you believe the things  you do.  Without that examination, one does not have Free Will.Nov 30 21:53
msb__With_ Critical Thinking, one is immune to lying propaganda.Nov 30 21:54
oiaohmmsb_: not true on the lying propaganda.Nov 30 21:55
msb_I disagree.  Kids are messing with SBCs and Linux all over the world!Nov 30 21:55
oiaohmIts possible with good enough deception to to make lying propaganda appear true enough.Nov 30 21:56
oiaohmCritical thinking is not 100 percent protection from deception.Nov 30 21:56
cubexyzwhen's the last time you darned your socks? :)Nov 30 21:56
cubexyzok... I admit I've never done thatNov 30 21:56
oiaohmcubexyz: 3 years ago.Nov 30 21:57
oiaohmMind you I was in the middle of nowhere at the time.Nov 30 21:57
*TweetTuxMachines @softpedialinux favourited 'Default Local DNS Resolver Integration Proposed for Fedora...'Nov 30 21:58
cubexyzI remember the old adage "A stitch in time saves nine"Nov 30 21:58
TweetTuxMachines@debianupdate    The linuxdebian Daily is out!Nov 30 21:58
TweetTuxMachines                 https://t.co/zTYPaKmdWM (paper.li) Stories viaNov 30 21:58
oiaohmcubexyz: It was warped to the thread to darn the holes in 1 pair of socks  can from another pair of socks with holes as well.Nov 30 21:58
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-paper.li | The linuxdebian DailyNov 30 21:58
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-fossforce.com | Tux Machines Again Faces DDOS Attacks | FOSS ForceNov 30 21:58
msb_oiaohm: Since you approve of systemd, I doubt that you have mastered Critical Thinking.Nov 30 21:59
cubexyzI definitely remember building 386 white box PCsNov 30 21:59
oiaohmmsb_: I don't 100 percent approve of systemd.   I take a longer term view.Nov 30 21:59
cubexyzat least I can say thatNov 30 21:59
cubexyzmy server (17 years old) was a white box PCNov 30 22:00
cubexyzmust have had the good capsNov 30 22:01
cubexyzthere's really only one conclusion I can come to....Nov 30 22:04
cubexyzthings are made badly on purposeNov 30 22:04
oiaohmmsb_:  many cultures take the point when testing ideas if to do them or not is if it will be good over a 7 or 10 year time frame.Nov 30 22:05
oiaohmmsb_: systemd is not 7-10 years old yet so its development can mature and the recent systemd conf in fact shows signs of starting to mature.Nov 30 22:05
oiaohmmsb_: yes Critical thinking is heavily effected by the time frame you are testing against.Nov 30 22:07
oiaohmThere are things that annoys me SMF in solaris trimmed down there init binary inside 3 versions.    Systemd has not matured to the point of triming it core yet and has only started talking about it now when its 5 years old.Nov 30 22:10
msb_oiaohm: You are totally wrong.  Systemd is a reeking pile of shit and should never have been adopted _unless_ and _until_ it is fixed (which is impossible).  Nov 30 22:19
msb_oiaohm: 7-10 years of systemd and Linux will be destroyed.Nov 30 22:20
cubexyzexcept for the older versions :)Nov 30 22:21
msb_and DevuanNov 30 22:23
TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     Hands-On with the Raspberry Pi ZeroNov 30 22:27
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.zdnet.com | Hands-On with the Raspberry Pi Zero | ZDNetNov 30 22:27
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-linuxgizmos.com | Home automation device offers plug-in apps, computer vision ·  LinuxGizmos.comNov 30 22:27
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TweetTuxMachines                 Subsurface Mobile DevelopmentNov 30 22:32
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TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     Ubuntu's Mainline Kernel Archive Finally HasNov 30 22:32
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TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     OS X 10.11 El Capitan vs. Fedora 23 LinuxNov 30 22:35
TweetTuxMachines                 Performance https://t.co/bjDynITjtQNov 30 22:35
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msb_cubexyz: You say you don't understand why people settle for such lousy software.  You can only understand it by examining all the ways -- mental, physical, spiritual, medical, educational  -- people on this planet are enslaved for the benefit of ultra-wealthy organized psychopaths.  It's the combined effects of all these attacks that make people what they are.  If you only look at software you won't be able to  understand that.Nov 30 23:30
msb_cubexyz: Focussing all your attention on computers makes life more pleasant for you, but it prevents you from understanding what's going on in the world.Nov 30 23:36
msb_cubexyz: It also prevents you from understanding how you yourself have been programmed and enslaved.Nov 30 23:39
oiaohmmsb_: history of init systems show them repeatly being deployed before they are ready.Nov 30 23:47
oiaohmmsb_: systemd being fixed by there willingness to scrap complete section says its possible.Nov 30 23:48
oiaohmmsb_: the problem with init systems is it when they start being  adopted properly is when they normally get refactored and fixed.Nov 30 23:49
oiaohmmsb_:  so there is a chicken and egg problem.Nov 30 23:49
msb_sysVinit has been working fine for many years.  It does not need to be fixed.  systemd is a horror.  I suspect you are a paid liar -- a "cognitive infiltrator".Nov 30 23:50
oiaohmThe reality is sysvinit has many cases where it don't work well.Nov 30 23:51
oiaohmsolaris did not move to SMF when there kernel implemented zones for no reason.Nov 30 23:52
oiaohmAlso a lot of people had been using upstart yet still thinking they were using sysvinit as well.Nov 30 23:53
oiaohmmsb_: there is quite a bit of detail on sysvint failures  https://wiki.debian.org/Debate/initsystem/sysvinitNov 30 23:54
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-SSL connect error ( status 0 @ https://wiki.debian.org/Debate/initsystem/sysvinit )Nov 30 23:54
cubexyzI've looked at the contra sysvinitDec 01 00:00
cubexyzI don't need any of those new features with older LinuxDec 01 00:01
cubexyzthere's no udev in old LinuxDec 01 00:01
cubexyz/dev/usb/scanner0 used to be a simple direct method for using scannersDec 01 00:02
cubexyzthat was borked up, I'm not sure whenDec 01 00:02
cubexyzprobably before 2010Dec 01 00:02
oiaohmcubexyz: you hit the nail right on it.    As the Linux kernel has evolved it the functionality it contains has increased and at some point it was going to out grow sysvinitDec 01 00:03
cubexyzso what I do is patch FC1 and other older systems as necessaryDec 01 00:03
oiaohmsystemd idea is to make something that will cover the functionality for another 20 years.Dec 01 00:03
cubexyzit's not only the kernel but the LKM's tooDec 01 00:04
cubexyzI think udev is an ungodly messDec 01 00:05
oiaohmCgroup went into the Linux kernel 2007.   To hack around sysvinit limitations autocgroup code was added so it was guessing.Dec 01 00:06
cubexyzwe used to be able to fopen /dev/usb/scanner0 and now we can'Dec 01 00:06
cubexyztDec 01 00:06
oiaohmSo to support cgroups at some point the init system had to evolveDec 01 00:06
cubexyzwhy not just improve sysvinit?Dec 01 00:09
oiaohmcubexyz: that would be openrc path.Dec 01 00:09
oiaohmmsb_, cubexyz : https://lwn.net/Articles/415740/  this is the item that pushed systemd forward at speed.Dec 01 00:10
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oiaohmcubexyz: cgroups and openrc is about the same age.   Problem here is openrc is that close to sysvinit that people doing sysvinit stuff did not put the time into it.Dec 01 00:12
oiaohmcubexyz: basically openrc is 8+ years old and it still not mature or major-ally supported by distrobutions.Dec 01 00:14
cubexyzok, do IBM mainframes that run Linux use systemd?Dec 01 00:15
oiaohmcubexyz: http://www.ibm.com/developerworks/library/l-customize-monitor-linux/index.html The answer is some of them.Dec 01 00:17
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.ibm.com | Customizing and monitoring Linux system startupDec 01 00:17
oiaohmNotice openrc is not mentioned at all.  IBM only considers sysvinit and systemdDec 01 00:18
cubexyzI could probably live with upstart, but not systemdDec 01 00:20
oiaohmNotice IBM does not reconsise upstart either.Dec 01 00:20
oiaohmNever did.Dec 01 00:20
cubexyzI'll remember that when I buy my next mainframe :)Dec 01 00:20
cubexyzok, well that should tell us that sysinit is OKDec 01 00:21
cubexyzIBM would never use it otherwiseDec 01 00:21
oiaohmIBM calls sysvinit legacy.Dec 01 00:21
cubexyzsysvinitDec 01 00:22
oiaohmIn other words they don't recommend it for new setups.Dec 01 00:22
cubexyzwhy not?Dec 01 00:22
cubexyzis systemd that intertwined into Linux now?Dec 01 00:22
oiaohmwhy not with IBM is a hard question.Dec 01 00:23
oiaohmThe 2010 patch for cgroups linked to TTY would have provided a method to control resourses inside sysvinit that got rejected.Dec 01 00:24
oiaohmcubexyz: the issue here is most of the shedulers inside the linux kernel are based around the idea of cgroups https://www.kernel.org/doc/Documentation/cgroups/blkio-controller.txtDec 01 00:25
cubexyzmost people don't need a complex init systemDec 01 00:25
cubexyzeven sysvinit is overkillDec 01 00:26
oiaohmThe init system has to match up to the kernel ways of doing things or you do have some issues.Dec 01 00:26
msb_Execution priorities can be controlled perfectly well with "renice".  We don't need cgroups.Dec 01 00:26
cubexyzsome simple distros just have busyboxDec 01 00:26
oiaohmmsb_: please note my link blkio is not cpu nicenessDec 01 00:27
cubexyzttylinux is a good exampleDec 01 00:29
cubexyzso there's your counter-exampleDec 01 00:30
cubexyzin the days of Unix v5 the init was nice and simpleDec 01 00:31
cubexyzanyone could learn to adjust itDec 01 00:31
oiaohmhttps://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1081871  If nice worked and we did not have multi layers of schedulers it would be fineDec 01 00:31
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-bugzilla.mozilla.org | 1081871 – Evaluate using cgroups instead of nice values for prioritizing processesDec 01 00:32
cubexyzhttp://www.maxhost.org/other/original-unix-v5-init.cDec 01 00:32
oiaohmFirefox OS, Android... Note these don't use systemd but they use cgroup these days because for nicing stuff with the Linux kernel that is the item that works.Dec 01 00:32
cubexyzlabbers want a simpler Unix that they can understandDec 01 00:34
cubexyznot some monster with a million featuresDec 01 00:35
msb_Setting cpu priorities eventually sets io priorities.  I don't need cgroups.  I don't want an OS that is so complex that it can run a whole city full of users.  I just want one that can serve me, my wife, and my cat.Dec 01 00:35
oiaohmmsb_: sorry the arguement that renice works and you don't need cgroups is wrong.   The multi levels of schedulers and needing to configure them in a unified way with some.Dec 01 00:35
oiaohmmsb_: to be correct cpu priorities and io priorities are horriblely different.Dec 01 00:36
msb_If a process doesn't get cpu time, then its io will be slowed down,Dec 01 00:37
oiaohmmsb_: something could be consuming a lot of CPU with a high cpu priorities and not be getting anywhere because it hitting io waits all the time.Dec 01 00:37
cubexyzoiaohm, surely you can agree that people who use old Unix will not switch to systemdDec 01 00:37
cubexyzwe'll use ttylinux, BL3, openbsd... stuff like thatDec 01 00:37
oiaohmmsb_: and the reason why it could be in io wait all the time is something else has low cpu priority but its the one holding the io device.Dec 01 00:38
oiaohmWriting multi scheduler logic is not simple.Dec 01 00:38
oiaohmYou need a little more infomation that X about of cpu time.Dec 01 00:39
cubexyzI'd start archiving all the distros before everything gets crapped upDec 01 00:40
oiaohmcubexyz: openbsd with the BSD init system does have clean ways of pass all the shedulder information to services and the like.Dec 01 00:41
oiaohmSo that is a matched kernel with matched init system.Dec 01 00:41
cubexyzI realize this is a minor point, but I still want 486 compatibility Dec 01 00:42
oiaohmcubexyz: problem is I don't see any valid reason for old Unix users to remain with sysvinit.   Either go across to openbsd or some how find the resources to fix openrc up.Dec 01 00:43
oiaohmas the old Unix users path.Dec 01 00:43
cubexyzoiaohm, we can run Unix v1 if we want :)Dec 01 00:43
oiaohmAgain that is running a init system matched to kernel.Dec 01 00:43
oiaohmLinux kernel to have a matched init system you need cgroups this is what android, firefoxos, sailfishos all have found.Dec 01 00:44
oiaohmSo the Linux kernel is not really demarding systemdDec 01 00:44
oiaohmProblem is there are not many developed init systems providing what the Linux kernel is demarding.Dec 01 00:45
cubexyzok, but when did this mismatch of kernel to init system occur?Dec 01 00:45
cubexyzFC1 worked pretty well for me, and still doesDec 01 00:45
oiaohmcubexyz: starts become mismatch  2007  with  cgroup that is Fedora 7Dec 01 00:48
oiaohmAs cgroups has developed the mismatch has got greater.Dec 01 00:49
cubexyzok, so as long as I use FC1 I should be OK?Dec 01 00:49
oiaohmAlso I cannot remember when Nice was fixed.Dec 01 00:50
oiaohmFor a long time linux kernel sheduders completely disregarded nice value.Dec 01 00:50
cubexyzweird, I can't find ttylinux anywhereDec 01 00:50
oiaohmcubexyz: nice value in Linux kernel shedulder was broken from working 1997 only fixed 2008.    So if you are needing to custom tweek performance FC1 can not.Dec 01 00:58
oiaohmif you don't custom patch.Dec 01 00:59
oiaohmThe tells you how much people setting nice values is a pecobo effectDec 01 01:00
oiaohmcubexyz: the other thing I missed FC1 is still infected with BKL(big kernel lock) this is finally remove 2.6.39 in 2011 until then getting proper  performance out the Linux kernel is not going to happen.Dec 01 01:07
oiaohmBasically its not a single event over night matically made sysvinit incompadible but its a set of events over a 6-7 year timeframe.Dec 01 01:14
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.fsf.org | FSF to begin accepting GPG signatures for copyright assignments from Italy — Free Software Foundation — working together for free softwareDec 01 02:45
schestowitzhttps://twitter.com/TheRegister/status/671551879856431104Dec 01 04:17
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@TheRegister: @schestowitz We can't make this, but thanks for the tip.Dec 01 04:17
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schestowitzhttps://twitter.com/iridesce57/status/671565652885303297Dec 01 04:19
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@iridesce57: @schestowitz worked on a friends laptop over the weekend - wth is Edge ?? Drove her crazy for 2 months. #Soonerorlater_linuxDec 01 04:19
schestowitzHeard of one too... a relative. It's backfiring.Dec 01 04:19
schestowitz> Thanks, just shared via Twitter, Facebook, LinkedIn.Dec 01 04:21
schestowitzOnce it's covered in English in major mainstream sites, expect others to cover it to, in blogs at the very least. 2 years ago when sources approached me they bemoaned lack of interest in English-speaking media.Dec 01 04:21
TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     Does the Open Document Format still matter?Dec 01 04:36
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Does the Open Document Format still matter? | Tux MachinesDec 01 04:36
TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     Google killing Chrome for 32-bit LinuxDec 01 04:36
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Google killing Chrome for 32-bit Linux | Tux MachinesDec 01 04:36
schestowitzhttps://twitter.com/KevinJRawlinson/status/671623705798250496Dec 01 04:39
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@KevinJRawlinson: @schestowitz Roy, would you mind following me, so I can DM you?Dec 01 04:39
schestowitzjournalist, guardianDec 01 04:39
schestowitzlet's chat nowDec 01 04:39
schestowitz> Dec 01 04:51
schestowitz> "direct dealings between Turkish officials and ranking Isis members wasDec 01 04:51
schestowitz> now “undeniable”."Dec 01 04:51
schestowitz> Dec 01 04:51
schestowitz> http://www.theguardian.com/world/2015/jul/26/isis-syria-turkey-usDec 01 04:51
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.theguardian.com | Turkey sends in jets as Syria’s agony spills over every border | World news | The GuardianDec 01 04:51
schestowitzOlderDec 01 04:51
schestowitzSo BBC will cover EPO techrights thingsDec 01 04:51
schestowitzIt seems, they ask me questions now...Dec 01 04:51
schestowitzA BBC and Guardian journalist is now asking me question in preparation for another article about the EPO in the British media. I gave some links to IP Kat for them to use...Dec 01 05:02
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schestowitzOK, this story is definitely going to make the BBC, possibly today. A journalist is amassing information and documents from me...Dec 01 05:26
schestowitzmight be the first time ever techrights is in the BBCDec 01 05:27
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schestowitzhttps://twitter.com/TangibleIP_/status/671600605870321664Dec 01 05:56
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@TangibleIP_: @FOSSpatents @TheRegister I thought this blog had an interesting and enlightening debate on the subject. https://t.co/ZSmASjjW2DDec 01 05:56
schestowitzahDec 01 05:56
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights--> ipkitten.blogspot.co.uk | The IPKat: EPO queue jumping part 1 - Don't be an SMEDec 01 05:56
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schestowitz> On 01/12/15 10:26, Roy Schestowitz wrote:Dec 01 06:02
schestowitz>> OK, this story is definitely going to make the BBC, possibly today. ADec 01 06:02
schestowitz>> journalist is amassing information and documents from me...Dec 01 06:02
schestowitz>> Dec 01 06:02
schestowitz> ok, thanksDec 01 06:02
schestowitz> Dec 01 06:02
schestowitz> Thank you Roy. We shall watch with interest.Dec 01 06:02
schestowitz>Dec 01 06:02
schestowitz> Dear RoyDec 01 06:02
schestowitz>Dec 01 06:02
schestowitz> Thank you for letting us know. We have been following your blog withDec 01 06:02
schestowitz> continued interest and are pleased to see that the legal threats seem toDec 01 06:02
schestowitz> have abated following your lawyer's correspondence.Dec 01 06:02
schestowitz>Dec 01 06:02
schestowitz> Kind regardsDec 01 06:02
schestowitz>Dec 01 06:02
schestowitz>Dec 01 06:02
schestowitz> Nice!Dec 01 06:02
schestowitz>Dec 01 06:02
schestowitz> Well done Roy - you are getting wider circles of attention on this thing - good to see it in the wider tech press now…Dec 01 06:03
schestowitz>Dec 01 06:03
schestowitz> Best,Dec 01 06:03
schestowitzLater today... BBC. They've just approached me. Maybe Guardian also... among other, 'smaller' sites like TechDirt...Dec 01 06:03
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-money.cnn.com | Raspberry Pi's $5 computer sold out online in a day - Nov. 27, 2015Dec 01 06:20
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.phonearena.com | Best new Android Widgets (November 2015) #3Dec 01 06:20
TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     Telegram’s privacy flaw on Android is real –Dec 01 06:20
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MinceR054753 < oiaohm> msb_: history of init systems show them repeatly being deployed before they are ready.Dec 01 06:26
MinceRwhich of them were forcibly deployed on multiple OS-es without allowing the users a real choice?Dec 01 06:26
MinceR055316 < oiaohm> Also a lot of people had been using upstart yet still thinking they were using sysvinit as well.Dec 01 06:27
MinceRprobably because upstart isn't as pathologically broken as cancerdDec 01 06:27
schestowitzhttps://twitter.com/ACROPOLITESSE/status/671651861846491136   https://twitter.com/ACROPOLITESSE/status/671652318769774592Dec 01 06:30
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@ACROPOLITESSE: Telegram pas si fiable via @kirstystyles1 https://t.co/MqEyUHyAaBDec 01 06:30
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz: Telegram’s privacy flaw on Android is real – but there’s a workaround https://t.co/FMS3QF8YxR #telegram #androidDec 01 06:30
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@ACROPOLITESSE: Android Marshmallow https://t.co/qCL0cUnTgSDec 01 06:30
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz: Move Over Lollipop. It’s TIME For #Android Marshmallow https://t.co/nEFmEUQhhW fast upgrade pace, like #linuxDec 01 06:30
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TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     Picking an Android flagship: Moto X Pure vs. LGDec 01 06:39
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-venturebeat.com | Picking an Android flagship: Moto X Pure vs. LG G4 | VentureBeat | Mobile | by Emil ProtalinskiDec 01 06:39
msb_Linux was created 24 years ago.  A little research seems to indicate that most versions of Linux have used sysvinit and runlevels since that time, until recently systemd was forced on most distro users.   So sysvinit has generally been working just fine for almost all Linux users for 20 years.Dec 01 06:39
*TweetTuxMachines got exception: Unexpected end of ZLIB input stream ; reconnecting to Twitter...Dec 01 06:39
MinceRnot to worry, cancerd apologists have plenty of alleged issues we've never seen to justify having to deal with real bugs that actually occur on cancerdDec 01 06:40
MinceRand no choiceDec 01 06:41
amarsh04happily running Debian without systemd hereDec 01 06:45
amarsh04no libsystemd0 eitherDec 01 06:45
schestowitzcancerd LOLDec 01 06:48
*schestowitz runs systemd and hates this very muchDec 01 06:48
*schestowitz not sure if systemd or kubuntu or kf5 is at faultDec 01 06:48
schestowitzworst linux experience I ever recall having, and have used Linux for 16 years...Dec 01 06:49
msb_schestowitz: If "kf5" means KDE5/Plasma, try switching to TrinityDE -- https://www.trinitydesktop.org/  It gives you multiple persistent named virtual desktops with one-click selection, good taskbar, notifications, etc.Dec 01 06:53
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-SSL connect error ( status 0 @ https://www.trinitydesktop.org/ )Dec 01 06:53
schestowitzmsb_: but is it available for 15.10 in some PPAs?Dec 01 06:55
schestowitzAlso, has it been properly tested?Dec 01 06:55
msb_It's been in use for years now.Dec 01 06:55
schestowitzI've used 5 for 8 months, would be happy to go back to kde3 foor kwin and other basic things, except the applications (I want the latest version)Dec 01 06:56
msb_Here are installation instructions for various Ubuntu versions.  Maybe will work with Kubuntu.  https://wiki.trinitydesktop.org/UbuntuInstallDec 01 07:01
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-SSL connect error ( status 0 @ https://wiki.trinitydesktop.org/UbuntuInstall )Dec 01 07:01
msb_You can inquire in #trinity-desktopDec 01 07:03
msb_I use some KDE4.6 apps in KDE3.5.10 and they work fine.Dec 01 07:04
msb_Looks like Trinity installation does involve PPAs.Dec 01 07:06
msb_schestowitz: AFAIK, any DE can run any app.  KDE can run Gnome apps just fine.Dec 01 07:09
msb_Just install the apps and if necessary manually install them in the menu.Dec 01 07:10
msb_Maybe you would be better off starting with Ubuntu 15.10 instead of Kubuntu.Dec 01 07:14
msb_Plasma is one of the 4 major attacks against Linux (systemd, UEFI, plasma, SJWs).  The sooner you can get disentangled from it, the better.Dec 01 07:15
schestowitzmaybe plasma in plasma 5 era, with systemd built in, will help derail TrinityDec 01 07:21
schestowitzmake new versions of distros inherently not compatibleDec 01 07:21
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msb_Plasma goons may try.  One Martin Graesslin, a head honcho in Plasma, wrote at least four articles demanding that Trinity cease development and that everyone switch to KDE4/5/Plasma.Dec 01 07:24
msb_But the Trinity developers are pretty good at adapting their versions.  And they have sworn never to depend on systemd.Dec 01 07:25
schestowitzhttps://twitter.com/Sheikh_al_Touar/status/670270110792335361  https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/671651825829945344Dec 01 07:26
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@Sheikh_al_Touar: European Patent Office Threatens Blogger With Defamation Lawsuit For Criticism - Techdirt https://t.co/WaY06nnEwRDec 01 07:26
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights--> www.techdirt.com | European Patent Office Threatens Blogger With Defamation Lawsuit For Criticism | TechdirtDec 01 07:26
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz: Europäisches Patentamt: Belegschaft gegen Sonnenkönig https://t.co/wLxL84QZkk #epo #germany - context https://t.co/CMIUWvePoBDec 01 07:26
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights--> www.labournet.de | LabourNet Germany: Treffpunkt für Ungehorsame, mit und ohne Job, basisnah, gesellschaftskritisch » Europäisches Patentamt: Belegschaft gegen SonnenkönigDec 01 07:26
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights--> techrights.org | EPO - TechrightsDec 01 07:26
schestowitzhttps://twitter.com/KrapulaPhD/status/671604343754375168   https://twitter.com/FOSSpatents/status/670832306341441536  https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/671653278283915264  https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/671653454562131968   https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/671654100040331264Dec 01 07:26
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@KrapulaPhD: European Patent Office fires up lawyers over claims of cosy love-in with Microsoft https://t.co/UrGwz0zNCX via @theregisterDec 01 07:26
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights--> www.theregister.co.uk | European Patent Office fires up lawyers over claims of cosy love-in with Microsoft • The RegisterDec 01 07:26
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@FOSSpatents: .@Charu_ip "too strict" is in the eye of the beholder. Most EPO patents asserted in smartphone patent suits turned out invalid.Dec 01 07:26
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz: Funny headline: Take Control of Your PC with UEFI Secure Boot https://t.co/EzQoYOeMB8 who's REALLY taking control? https://t.co/qBkwRQKxS3Dec 01 07:26
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights--> www.linuxjournal.com | Take Control of Your PC with UEFI Secure Boot | Linux JournalDec 01 07:26
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights--> techrights.org | UEFI - TechrightsDec 01 07:27
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz: #KShutdown Review - Scheduled Shutdown, Restarts, and Other Actions on Linux https://t.co/1FNmu0u1nU #kde #freeswDec 01 07:27
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights--> www.softpedia.com | KShutdown Review - Scheduled Shutdown, Restarts, and Other Actions on LinuxDec 01 07:27
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz: Software Freedom #Conservancy gets public support https://t.co/UZ0TIkl3hh https://t.co/gBeuiGfZ4cDec 01 07:27
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights--> blog.shadura.me | Support Software Freedom Conservancy — Andrew's notesDec 01 07:27
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights--> funnelfiasco.com | I support Software Freedom Conservancy | Blog FiascoDec 01 07:27
schestowitzhttps://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/671654363643949056  https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/671654703256772608  https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/671654902993694721  https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/671655608798609408   https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/671656341065306112Dec 01 07:27
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz: How to Fix a Windows Infection Using Linux https://t.co/HgPR2d0pvD simplest: put it in the CD tray, install it to driveDec 01 07:27
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights--> www.pcworld.com | How to Fix a Windows Infection Using Linux | PCWorldDec 01 07:27
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz: #Mozilla : Open Source #Firefox Browser Thrives without Cash from Google https://t.co/60zSCSIs2IDec 01 07:27
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights--> thevarguy.com | Mozilla: Open Source Firefox Browser Thrives without Cash from Google | Open Source Application Software Companies content from The VAR GuyDec 01 07:27
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz: $5 ARM-based Raspberry Pi Zero Suits Open Source Fans, If They Get One https://t.co/gbp2mjGgih #raspi #linuxDec 01 07:27
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights--> thevarguy.com | $5 ARM-based Raspberry Pi Zero Suits Open Source Fans, If They Get One | Open Source Application Software Companies content from The VAR GuyDec 01 07:27
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz: #MKV Extractor Qt Review - A Simple Tool for Your MKV Needs https://t.co/hJ2wSEM9AE #softpedia #qtDec 01 07:27
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights--> www.softpedia.com | MKV Extractor Qt Review - A Simple Tool for Your MKV NeedsDec 01 07:27
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz: "Red Hat, Inc. (NYSE:RHT) a consensus one year price target of $84.62" https://t.co/MRFe6arStq https://t.co/LAURfwtHp8 #redhatDec 01 07:27
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights--> www.equitiesfocus.com | Stock in Focus: Red Hat, Inc. (NYSE:RHT)Dec 01 07:27
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights--> www.wsobserver.com | Red Hat, Inc. (NYSE:RHT) – Large Cap Morning Report | Wall Street ObserverDec 01 07:27
schestowitzhttps://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/671656649896128517  https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/671656830930714624  https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/671657927518920704   https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/671658236781731840  https://twitter.com/Conorpope/status/671605377167982592Dec 01 07:27
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz: Build Your Own #GNU #Linux Hosting Alternative https://t.co/uERwMLZUAq uses the buzzword "cloud"Dec 01 07:27
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights--> www.datamation.com | Build Your Own Linux Cloud Alternative - DatamationDec 01 07:27
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz: #Freeswitch vs. #Asterisk ? https://t.co/c5gNof4YNC have experience with both, prefer the latterDec 01 07:27
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights--> cedarandthistle.wordpress.com | Freeswitch vs. Asterisk? | The Cedar and the ThistleDec 01 07:27
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz: FESCo Elections: Interview with Adam Miller (maxamillion) https://t.co/IfE3Gpl80p #fedora #redhat #gnu #linuxDec 01 07:27
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-SSL connect error ( status 0 @ https://communityblog.fedoraproject.org/fesco-elections-interview-adam-miller-maxamillion/ )Dec 01 07:27
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz: "Presented at MiniDebConf Cambridge 2015 on the current status of #Debian Reproducible Builds effort." https://t.co/FzUWczz4T4Dec 01 07:27
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights--> chris-lamb.co.uk | Free software activities in November 2015 - Chris LambDec 01 07:27
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@Conorpope: A Blackburn man tried to buy tickets to the Middle East from Thomas Cook, intending to defeat ISIS with a machete. https://t.co/3DNLWsMMxNDec 01 07:27
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@Conorpope: A Blackburn man tried to buy tickets to the Middle East from Thomas Cook, intending to defeat ISIS with a machete. https://t.co/3DNLWsMMxNDec 01 07:27
schestowitzhttps://twitter.com/DavidAllenGreen/status/671615548904574976  https://twitter.com/jessicaelgot/status/671633317138182144  https://twitter.com/JesselynRadack/status/671486816130875392   https://twitter.com/Thomas_Drake1/status/671424893548945408  https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/671660499600326656  https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/671660774276902912Dec 01 07:28
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@DavidAllenGreen: "Let's bomb Syria! Let's kick Jeremy Corbyn's stick away!" as Kenny Everett would say if he were still with us.Dec 01 07:28
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@jessicaelgot: For me, this pretty well sums up the argument against airstrikes https://t.co/C5KMWAP2pe https://t.co/i6ULoq4HnDDec 01 07:28
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights--> www.theguardian.com | The Guardian view on Syria: MPs should say no to airstrikes without a strategy | Editorial | Comment is free | The GuardianDec 01 07:28
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@jessicaelgot: For me, this pretty well sums up the argument against airstrikes https://t.co/C5KMWAP2pe https://t.co/i6ULoq4HnDDec 01 07:28
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@JesselynRadack: Tomorrow is #GivingTuesday. Please help me support #whistleblowers. https://t.co/kb08lLoJA6 #Donate2Truth https://t.co/WqkN42mGYrDec 01 07:28
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights--> whisper.networkforgood.com | Whistleblower and Source Protection Program (WHISPeR), ExposeFacts - WHISPeR Launch CampaignDec 01 07:28
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@JesselynRadack: Tomorrow is #GivingTuesday. Please help me support #whistleblowers. https://t.co/kb08lLoJA6 #Donate2Truth https://t.co/WqkN42mGYrDec 01 07:28
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@Thomas_Drake1: Post-Paris siren calls for more surveillance & social control. Lest US forget: Brits reason for 4th & 1st Amendments https://t.co/1qgKT9H7jODec 01 07:28
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights--> www.justsecurity.org | Remember Why We Have the Fourth Amendment | Just SecurityDec 01 07:28
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz: Where does a person have online discussions anymore? https://t.co/4QIT4cwKYc #usenet crushed by #copyright cartel and others?Dec 01 07:28
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights--> changelog.complete.org | Where does a person have online discussions anymore? | The ChangelogDec 01 07:28
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz: "The following packages have become reproducible due to changes in their build dependencies" https://t.co/lZApkW0gk6 #debianDec 01 07:28
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-SSL connect error ( status 0 @ https://people.debian.org/~lunar/blog/posts/reproducible_builds_stretch_week_31/ )Dec 01 07:28
schestowitzhttps://twitter.com/troccy/status/671665486065737728Dec 01 07:29
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@troccy: Interesting........ https://t.co/LRnLkz8w2ZDec 01 07:29
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz: The #bbc is going to cover the situation at the #epo -- IMHO, well overdue. Many Brits who work for the EPO has been quietly suffering.Dec 01 07:29
TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     APT 1.1 released https://t.co/f941F1wZjlDec 01 07:34
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-mvogt.wordpress.com | APT 1.1 released | Michael Vogt's blogDec 01 07:34
TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     Finding the right tool for the jobDec 01 07:34
TweetTuxMachines                 https://t.co/AJgOd38Qz3 (www.tuxmachines.org)Dec 01 07:34
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Finding the right tool for the job | Tux MachinesDec 01 07:34
TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     Leftovers: FSF/GNU https://t.co/uaVc9HJ6x6Dec 01 07:34
TweetTuxMachines                 (www.tuxmachines.org)Dec 01 07:34
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Leftovers: FSF/GNU | Tux MachinesDec 01 07:34
msb_Max Keiser is so outspoken on nations supporting terrorism, profits, etc., that RT puts up a card saying that his opinions don't necessarily reflect those of RT!Dec 01 07:45
TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     Red Hat Financial News https://t.co/IeJTx1m5GYDec 01 07:48
TweetTuxMachines                 (www.tuxmachines.org)Dec 01 07:48
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Red Hat Financial News | Tux MachinesDec 01 07:48
TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     More hands-on with the Raspberry Pi Zero:Dec 01 07:48
TweetTuxMachines                 Loading, booting and configuringDec 01 07:48
TweetTuxMachines                 https://t.co/C8C3vvZZRS (www.tuxmachines.org)Dec 01 07:48
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | More hands-on with the Raspberry Pi Zero: Loading, booting and configuring | Tux MachinesDec 01 07:48
TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     Ubuntu Touch Developers' Main Focus Is Unity 8Dec 01 07:48
TweetTuxMachines                 Convergence for Ubuntu PhonesDec 01 07:48
TweetTuxMachines                 https://t.co/9gED2gM8Xv (www.tuxmachines.org)Dec 01 07:48
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Ubuntu Touch Developers' Main Focus Is Unity 8 Convergence for Ubuntu Phones | Tux MachinesDec 01 07:48
schestowitzhttp://forums.theregister.co.uk/forum/1/2015/11/30/european_patent_office_launches_lawyers/Dec 01 07:59
schestowitz"Dec 01 07:59
schestowitzDisgustingDec 01 07:59
schestowitzAs an organization that effectively wields a lot of public power, the EPO must treat all applicants equally, even if it means leaving large companies to patiently wait for their turn at the end of a long queue. Otherwise it must be considered corrupt, and needs to be reformed, or dismantled.Dec 01 07:59
schestowitz"Dec 01 07:59
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-forums.theregister.co.uk | European Patent Office fires up lawyers over claims of cosy love-in with Microsoft • The Register ForumsDec 01 07:59
schestowitz"Dec 01 07:59
schestowitzRe: DisgustingDec 01 07:59
schestowitzI don't dispute the general assertion re: treating everybody equally, however it does sound as though the PACE mechanism is available to all at no extra charge, at least that is the impression that I got from the original article. I wouldn't necessarily think that trialling a more efficient approach to this with larger organisations is discrimninatory.Dec 01 07:59
schestowitzI suspect that the truth of the matter is more likely FUD in the ongoing internecine fighting that seems to have come about as a result of (possibly poorly managed but likely necessary) reform of a flawed organisation. This is, after all, a story that has come about as the result of a leaked email. The leaker will have a motivation, if the organisiation is in a state of internal conflict then leaking stuff to bloggers becomes a weapon. Not Dec 01 07:59
schestowitzsure that lawerying-up is the answer though, Streisand effect anyone? It's certainly brought the state of the EPO to my attention.Dec 01 07:59
schestowitz"Dec 01 07:59
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schestowitzMicrosoft and apple moneyDec 01 07:59
schestowitzEnough to buy several countries outright. Is it any surprise they have EU offices in their pockets? They all want a bit of that cash pie.Dec 01 07:59
schestowitz"Dec 01 08:00
schestowitz"Dec 01 08:00
schestowitzRe: Microsoft and apple moneyDec 01 08:00
schestowitzThis is spot on, MS has bought up all the EU institutions with a very successful lobbying campaign.Dec 01 08:00
schestowitzThat is the reason EU is chasing google like a swarm of hungry piranhas. This whole EU is so foobar.Dec 01 08:00
schestowitz"Dec 01 08:00
schestowitz"Dec 01 08:00
schestowitzRe: Microsoft and apple moneyDec 01 08:00
schestowitzHmm... that'd be the same EU that implemented the anti-trust case against the microsofties over IE bundling then? Y'know, the same EU that levied a £484 million fine in 2013 when MS dropped the browser choice system in Win7?Dec 01 08:00
schestowitzNot defending the EU, nor the 'buying' power of tech giants and their lobbyists, merely suggesting that you are looking for malicious intent where the most likely cause is really the usual mix of bureaucratic incompetence, blind ignorance of reality and an overwhelming desire on the part of the EU to appear relevant in the face of things about which they have very liuttle expertise or knowledge. I'd refer you to Occam's Razor.Dec 01 08:00
schestowitz"Dec 01 08:00
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schestowitzRe: Same old same oldDec 01 08:00
schestowitzThere is that term again "core value"... What a load of double speak cya blah blah. This core values joke is in place where I work, but don't ever use it in your own defense... It's for the grown ups :-{Dec 01 08:01
schestowitz"Dec 01 08:01
TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     Omate Rise is a circular Android 3G smartwatchDec 01 08:09
TweetTuxMachines                 for just $200 https://t.co/Q3KFLJVoPdDec 01 08:09
TweetTuxMachines                 (www.engadget.com)Dec 01 08:09
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.engadget.com | Omate Rise is a circular Android 3G smartwatch for just $200Dec 01 08:09
TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     New Manjaro Linux Update Adds Linux Kernel 4.4,Dec 01 08:09
TweetTuxMachines                 Latest Nvidia and AMD Drivers Dec 01 08:10
TweetTuxMachines                 https://t.co/EcCySkdVNY (news.softpedia.com)Dec 01 08:10
TweetTuxMachines........................................  http://ur1.ca/oc0c0Dec 01 08:10
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-news.softpedia.com | New Manjaro Linux Update Adds Linux Kernel 4.4, Latest Nvidia and AMD DriversDec 01 08:10
TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     Linux-ready Qseven COM taps new Cortex-A15Dec 01 08:10
TweetTuxMachines                 Renesas SoC https://t.co/Eh2xDu1KvzDec 01 08:10
TweetTuxMachines                 (linuxgizmos.com)Dec 01 08:10
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-linuxgizmos.com | Linux-ready Qseven COM taps new Cortex-A15 Renesas SoC ·  LinuxGizmos.comDec 01 08:10
TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     Gen 5 Briq mini-PC runs Black Lab Linux on CoreDec 01 08:17
TweetTuxMachines                 i3 or i5 https://t.co/9jB96SlqU5Dec 01 08:17
TweetTuxMachines                 (linuxgizmos.com)Dec 01 08:17
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-linuxgizmos.com | Gen 5 Briq mini-PC runs Black Lab Linux on Core i3 or i5 ·  LinuxGizmos.comDec 01 08:17
TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     Porteus Kiosk 3.6.0 has been released!Dec 01 08:17
TweetTuxMachines                 https://t.co/6QM9ar75hj (porteus-kiosk.org)Dec 01 08:17
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-porteus-kiosk.org | NewsDec 01 08:17
TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     Ubuntu Touch Developers' Main Focus Is Unity 8Dec 01 08:17
TweetTuxMachines                 Convergence for Ubuntu PhonesDec 01 08:17
TweetTuxMachines                 https://t.co/kj0jZHZaUe (news.softpedia.com)Dec 01 08:17
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-news.softpedia.com | Ubuntu Touch Developers' Main Focus Is Unity 8 Convergence for Ubuntu PhonesDec 01 08:17
msb_Occam's Razor say that the most likely cause of corruption and malfeasance in government organizations is BRIBERY!Dec 01 08:20
msb_Bribery by untraceable cash from the ultra-wealthy owners of corporations.  Money talks!Dec 01 08:21
msb_Attributing the malfeasance to incompetence and ignorance is refuted by the fact that the "mistakes" are always made in favor of ultra-wealthy corporations.Dec 01 08:24
msb_Here's the Keiser Report in which he says that bankers who attack countries with derivatives and ISIL that uses explosives are both psychopaths -- :"only one chromosome apart"  (I think he means ":gene")   https://www.rt.com/shows/keiser-report/324089-episode-max-keiser-843/     VideoDownloadHelper gets it.Dec 01 08:31
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.rt.com | Episode 843 RT — Keiser ReportDec 01 08:31
TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     "Today I share more information and first-handDec 01 08:54
TweetTuxMachines                 experiences with the Raspberry Pi Zero"Dec 01 08:54
TweetTuxMachines                 https://t.co/WkLGUvgy5k (www.zdnet.com)Dec 01 08:54
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.zdnet.com | More hands-on with the Raspberry Pi Zero: Loading, booting and configuring | ZDNetDec 01 08:54
TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     Mesa 11.1.0 3D Graphics Library ReleaseDec 01 08:54
TweetTuxMachines                 Candidate 2 Has over 60 BugfixesDec 01 08:54
TweetTuxMachines                 https://t.co/lwlJNpMoI5 (linux.softpedia.com)Dec 01 08:54
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-linux.softpedia.com | Mesa 11.1.0 3D Graphics Library Release Candidate 2 Has over 60 BugfixesDec 01 08:54
TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     Enlightenment 0.20.0 looks promisingDec 01 08:54
TweetTuxMachines                 https://t.co/k3zhl1RF0R (linux.softpedia.com)Dec 01 08:54
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-linux.softpedia.com | Enlightenment 0.20.0 Desktop Environment Lands with Full Wayland SupportDec 01 08:54
*TweetTuxMachines @softpedialinux favourited 'Ubuntu Touch Developers' Main Focus Is Unity 8...'Dec 01 08:54
*TweetTuxMachines @softpedialinux favourited 'New Manjaro Linux Update Adds Linux Kernel 4.4,...'Dec 01 08:54
*TweetTuxMachines @softpedialinux favourited 'Ubuntu Touch Developers' Main Focus Is Unity 8...'Dec 01 08:54
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schestowitz[13:21] <msb_> Bribery by untraceable cash from the ultra-wealthy owners of corporations.  Money talks!Dec 01 09:05
schestowitzYesDec 01 09:05
schestowitzc/f Microsoft :-DDec 01 09:05
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msb_"Some circumstantial evidence is very strong, as when you find a trout in the milk."  -- Henry David ThoreauDec 01 09:32
*TweetTuxMachines @softpedialinux favourited 'Enlightenment 0.20.0 looks promising https://t.co/k3zhl1RF0R'Dec 01 10:03
TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     Links 1/12/2015: Porteus Kiosk 3.6.0, LinuxDec 01 10:04
TweetTuxMachines                 Mint 17.3 “Rosa” https://t.co/cJFNZZSTkjDec 01 10:04
TweetTuxMachines                 (techrights.org)Dec 01 10:04
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Links 1/12/2015: Porteus Kiosk 3.6.0, Linux Mint 17.3 “Rosa” | TechrightsDec 01 10:04
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schestowitzhttps://twitter.com/emptybullring/status/671720021752717312Dec 01 11:00
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@emptybullring: @schestowitz and what does that tell you?Dec 01 11:00
schestowitzhttps://twitter.com/AJimenez1988/status/671720183543779328Dec 01 11:01
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@AJimenez1988: @cjwerleman @schestowitz @NafeezAhmed Summers, a notorious Democrat who plundered Russia, and Cheney, together. Yay plurality.Dec 01 11:01
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TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     How to start Android app development forDec 01 11:15
TweetTuxMachines                 complete beginners in 5 stepsDec 01 11:15
TweetTuxMachines                 https://t.co/PGHwsNPkWiDec 01 11:15
TweetTuxMachines                 (www.androidauthority.com)Dec 01 11:15
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.androidauthority.com | How to Start Android App Development for BeginnersDec 01 11:15
TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     Rocket League should be on Linux before the endDec 01 11:15
TweetTuxMachines                 of December https://t.co/l44RSIofibDec 01 11:15
TweetTuxMachines                 (www.gamingonlinux.com)Dec 01 11:15
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.gamingonlinux.com | Rocket League should be on Linux before the end of December | GamingOnLinuxDec 01 11:15
schestowitzhttps://twitter.com/qu1j0t3/status/671723656163270657Dec 01 11:17
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@qu1j0t3: Do people think the cities are evacuated first? https://t.co/BoO5P3m4WCDec 01 11:17
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz: Carpet-bombing 'works' against guerilla fighters only if you assume that lives of non-fighters are worthless, or guilt by associationDec 01 11:17
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TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     Scribus 1.5 Has Been ReleasedDec 01 11:34
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-linuxg.net | Scribus 1.5 Has Been Released | LinuxG.netDec 01 11:34
TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     Linux Performance Analysis in 60,000Dec 01 11:34
TweetTuxMachines                 Milliseconds https://t.co/mBLAqT1364Dec 01 11:34
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techblog.netflix.com | The Netflix Tech Blog: Linux Performance Analysis in 60,000 MillisecondsDec 01 11:34
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*TweetTuxMachines @BrasovDesign retweeted @tuxmachines: 'Scribus 1.5 Has Been Released https://t.co/zgwdXNpVp6'Dec 01 11:37
TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     Raspberry Pi can be designed into money-makingDec 01 11:43
TweetTuxMachines                 products https://t.co/48WhCNhZMADec 01 11:43
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.electronicsweekly.com | Raspberry Pi can be designed into money-making products | Electronics WeeklyDec 01 11:43
TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     Raspberry Pi: Top 19 projects to try yourselfDec 01 11:43
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.itpro.co.uk | Raspberry Pi: Top 19 projects to try yourself | IT PRODec 01 11:43
TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     2015: The very best Android smartphonesDec 01 11:43
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.zdnet.com | 2015: The very best Android smartphones | ZDNetDec 01 11:43
TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     IO Visor: Bringing the Network to the LinuxDec 01 11:43
TweetTuxMachines                 Kernel https://t.co/pbjpaQtE5q (www.linux.com)Dec 01 11:43
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.linux.com | IO Visor: Bringing the Network to the Linux Kernel | Linux.comDec 01 11:43
TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     KDE vs GNOME vs XFCE DesktopDec 01 11:44
TweetTuxMachines                 https://t.co/ujRVEW51Vl (www.unixmen.com)Dec 01 11:44
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.unixmen.com | KDE vs GNOME vs XFCE Desktop | UnixmenDec 01 11:44
TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     Linux Foundation adds Open Networking Summit toDec 01 11:44
TweetTuxMachines                 event portfolio https://t.co/zlLBSEW8R9Dec 01 11:44
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.rcrwireless.com | Linux Foundation adds Open Networking Summit to event portfolioDec 01 11:44
TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     Links 1/12/2015: Porteus Kiosk 3.6.0, LinuxDec 01 11:55
TweetTuxMachines retweeted by    Mint 17.3 “Rosa” https://t.co/cJFNZZSTkjDec 01 11:55
TweetTuxMachines @schestowitz    (techrights.org)Dec 01 11:55
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TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     Being Thankful for Open Source SoftwareDec 01 11:55
TweetTuxMachines                 https://t.co/7nkFP6pJnI (www.tuxmachines.org)Dec 01 11:55
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Being Thankful for Open Source Software | Tux MachinesDec 01 11:55
TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     KDE vs GNOME vs XFCE DesktopDec 01 11:55
TweetTuxMachines                 https://t.co/geNvjGrkj5 (www.tuxmachines.org)Dec 01 11:55
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | KDE vs GNOME vs XFCE Desktop | Tux MachinesDec 01 11:55
TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     Richard Stallman Is Not The Father Of OpenDec 01 11:55
TweetTuxMachines                 Source https://t.co/cEzbHUg38HDec 01 11:56
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Richard Stallman Is Not The Father Of Open Source | Tux MachinesDec 01 11:56
TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     Linux Foundation adds Open Networking Summit toDec 01 11:57
TweetTuxMachines                 event portfolio https://t.co/1cw6m0J7cQDec 01 11:57
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Linux Foundation adds Open Networking Summit to event portfolio | Tux MachinesDec 01 11:57
TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     Raspberry Pi Zero: The LatestDec 01 11:57
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Raspberry Pi Zero: The Latest | Tux MachinesDec 01 11:57
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TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     Chrome for Android slims down the internet whenDec 01 12:18
TweetTuxMachines                 speeds are slow https://t.co/LKBfJO8T2cDec 01 12:18
TweetTuxMachines                 (www.engadget.com)Dec 01 12:18
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.engadget.com | Chrome for Android slims down the internet when speeds are slowDec 01 12:18
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sebsebsebhiDec 01 12:54
XRevan86sebsebseb: hiDec 01 12:54
sebsebsebXRevan86: hiDec 01 12:54
schestowitzheyDec 01 12:55
schestowitzsebsebseb: will be on BBC laterDec 01 12:55
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schestowitzi think you watch itDec 01 12:55
sebsebsebschestowitz: you will be on BBC when?Dec 01 12:56
sebsebsebschestowitz: yeah didn't like BBC you told me before, now your going to be on it hmmDec 01 12:56
sebsebsebyou above not yeahDec 01 12:57
cubexyzare you allowed to say "Microsoft sucks ass" on tv? :)Dec 01 13:10
sebsebsebschestowitz: when are you on TV?Dec 01 13:10
sebsebseband what channel?Dec 01 13:11
cubexyzit might decrease advertiser dollars thoughDec 01 13:11
cubexyzin the olden days it was "smoke lucky strike"Dec 01 13:12
schestowitzsebsebseb: not me, techrightsDec 01 13:12
schestowitzregarding epoDec 01 13:12
schestowitznot sure when, how, whereDec 01 13:13
cubexyzthere actually was a show that started with a giant smoking head exhaling smokeDec 01 13:13
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cubexyzEd Wynn was the head... if anyone remembers himDec 01 13:13
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cubexyzremember kids, Santa smokes Pall MallDec 01 13:14
cubexyzhttp://www.maxhost.org/other/santa-smokes.jpgDec 01 13:14
cubexyzthe cancer sticks of choice :)Dec 01 13:15
MinceRunpolluted air is measurably milderDec 01 13:15
cubexyzat first I thought it said "Guard against throat-cancer"Dec 01 13:16
cubexyzbut that would be false advertising :)Dec 01 13:16
cubexyzhttp://www.infoworld.com/article/2931991/microsoft-windows/windows-10-ads-taking-hubris-to-a-new-level.htmlDec 01 13:18
schestowitz> Thanks Roy. Could you please email David making clear that he can discuss the case with me? He requires client permission.Dec 01 13:18
schestowitzJust done that...Dec 01 13:18
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.infoworld.com | Windows 10 ads take hubris to a new level | InfoWorldDec 01 13:18
schestowitzDavid from the BBC approached me this morning and he says I need to give permission for you to speak with him, which I do.Dec 01 13:18
schestowitzI meant KevinDec 01 13:18
schestowitz> I also have had Kevin from the Guardian contact me - can I speak with him too?Dec 01 13:20
schestowitzKevin write for the BBC and I think also the Guardian (his email is BBC domain, his twitter profile says Guardian).Dec 01 13:20
cubexyzis there a way to see nicks that aren't logged in?Dec 01 13:21
schestowitz> He is a good chap and I have dealt with him before.Dec 01 13:23
schestowitzcubexyz: what do you mean by see?Dec 01 13:23
schestowitzuserinfo?Dec 01 13:23
TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     today's howtos https://t.co/eSPkZkOU5aDec 01 13:23
TweetTuxMachines                 (www.tuxmachines.org)Dec 01 13:23
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | today's howtos | Tux MachinesDec 01 13:23
TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     Leftovers: OSS https://t.co/AB0zL7uC2KDec 01 13:23
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Leftovers: OSS | Tux MachinesDec 01 13:23
TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     Browsers (Mozilla, Google)Dec 01 13:23
TweetTuxMachines                 https://t.co/WlzKETR3Wa (www.tuxmachines.org)Dec 01 13:23
schestowitzin freenode I think you must have the user online to get details on at any one timeDec 01 13:23
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Browsers (Mozilla, Google) | Tux MachinesDec 01 13:23
cubexyzforgot how to spell oiahim's nickDec 01 13:23
schestowitzoiaohmDec 01 13:23
cubexyzah rightDec 01 13:24
schestowitzI remember this vocallyDec 01 13:24
schestowitzlike ohmDec 01 13:24
schestowitzand oiaDec 01 13:24
schestowitzit's acronym for something likeDec 01 13:24
cubexyzI wanted to talk to him about the BKLDec 01 13:24
schestowitzoh, I am over here mateDec 01 13:24
schestowitzIIRCDec 01 13:24
cubexyzit's not as bad as he thinksDec 01 13:24
schestowitzoh, I am over here mate (OIAOHM)Dec 01 13:24
cubexyzinteresting :)Dec 01 13:24
MinceRgood to knowDec 01 13:25
cubexyzhis blog is invite onlyDec 01 13:27
cubexyzprobably had problems with windows advocatesDec 01 13:27
MinceRto publish, comment or to read?Dec 01 13:28
cubexyzyou can't even read it unless you're invitedDec 01 13:28
cubexyzI just moderate comments, but I haven't had any problemsDec 01 13:29
cubexyzjust stupid spamsDec 01 13:29
MinceRicDec 01 13:31
schestowitzhttp://forums.theregister.co.uk/forum/1/2015/11/30/european_patent_office_launches_lawyers/Dec 01 13:33
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-forums.theregister.co.uk | European Patent Office fires up lawyers over claims of cosy love-in with Microsoft • The Register ForumsDec 01 13:33
schestowitzDo these lawyersDec 01 13:33
schestowitzHave any link to Microsoft?Dec 01 13:33
schestowitzJust wondering what else they don't want us to know...Dec 01 13:33
schestowitz"Dec 01 13:33
schestowitz"Dec 01 13:34
schestowitzcluelessness as a business model?Dec 01 13:34
schestowitzthese patent offices just seem to want to take the money, thinking ain't for them!Dec 01 13:34
schestowitz"Dec 01 13:34
schestowitz"Dec 01 13:34
schestowitz"Meet Mr Blatterstelli"Dec 01 13:34
schestowitzWas I the only one to misread it?Dec 01 13:34
schestowitz"Dec 01 13:34
schestowitz http://www.bidnessetc.com/58406-epo-rejects-accusations-of-special-treatment-for-microsoft-corporation/Dec 01 13:39
schestowitzWe're mentionedDec 01 13:40
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.bidnessetc.com | EPO Rejects Accusations of Special Treatment for Microsoft CorporationDec 01 13:40
schestowitzjust published, two hours agoDec 01 13:40
schestowitz"Dec 01 13:42
schestowitzThe European Patent Office (EPO) is now giving out legal threats, in response to recent allegations made against it, regarding maintaining a special cooperative relationship with Microsoft Corporation (NASDAQ:MSFT). The agency denies such accusations and says that it will not accept its staff being subject to such accusations. EPO is shifting to a more offensive strategy from the defensive one that it previously practiced.Dec 01 13:42
schestowitzIn October, Roy Schestowitz, along with his site Techrights, was the first to claim Microsoft was getting preference in its patent applications by the EPO. He published a leaked EPO internal email from February 16 that lists Microsoft’s submitted patent documents, and asks examiners to give the applications top priority as soon as possible. The email’s author and a senior member at the agency, Grant Philpott, mentioned of a “close Dec 01 13:42
schestowitzcooperation project” with the software giant in the message.Dec 01 13:42
schestowitz"Dec 01 13:42
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schestowitzFOSS Patents mentioned hereDec 01 13:47
schestowitzhttp://www.bidnessetc.com/58406-epo-rejects-accusations-of-special-treatment-for-microsoft-corporation/Dec 01 13:47
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msb_schestowitz: Can you (or somebody) make a video recording of your appearance on BBC-TV?  You could put it on youtube, or on techrights.  Also, if you can drop a hint that EPO is secretly buying oil from ISIL, that would tie things together nicely.Dec 01 14:43
TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     Linux Performance Analysis in 60,000Dec 01 14:49
TweetTuxMachines                 Milliseconds https://t.co/MoOKo5DP9oDec 01 14:49
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Linux Performance Analysis in 60,000 Milliseconds | Tux MachinesDec 01 14:49
TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     Thunderbird to be separated from MozillaDec 01 14:49
TweetTuxMachines                 https://t.co/SgAzX3p9wI (www.tuxmachines.org)Dec 01 14:49
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Thunderbird to be separated from Mozilla | Tux MachinesDec 01 14:49
TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     Open source Gov.UK is 'example of UK softDec 01 14:49
TweetTuxMachines                 power' https://t.co/I2PyXDk0T6Dec 01 14:49
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Open source Gov.UK is 'example of UK soft power' | Tux MachinesDec 01 14:49
TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     Fedora 21 End Of Life https://t.co/9Um7GWOE73Dec 01 14:50
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Fedora 21 End Of Life | Tux MachinesDec 01 14:50
TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     Altair to Open Source PBS Professional HPCDec 01 14:50
TweetTuxMachines                 Technology in 2016 https://t.co/YRFfKAnLfSDec 01 14:50
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Altair to Open Source PBS Professional HPC Technology in 2016 | Tux MachinesDec 01 14:50
TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     New ELF Linker from the LLVM ProjectDec 01 14:50
TweetTuxMachines                 https://t.co/cZB3vMYVvM (www.tuxmachines.org)Dec 01 14:50
TweetTuxMachines........................................  http://ur1.ca/oc1coDec 01 14:50
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | New ELF Linker from the LLVM Project | Tux MachinesDec 01 14:50
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MinceRhttp://www.smbc-comics.com/index.php?id=3929Dec 01 17:57
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.smbc-comics.com | Saturday Morning Breakfast CerealDec 01 17:57
cubexyzany computer can copy memory locationsDec 01 18:00
cubexyzis using a photocopier theft?Dec 01 18:00
cubexyzanyone with half a brain can download more books then they can read in a lifetimeDec 01 18:01
cubexyzs/then/than/Dec 01 18:01
cubexyzVCRs?Dec 01 18:02
cubexyztape recorders? :)Dec 01 18:03
MinceR:)Dec 01 18:03
cubexyzI think it's pretty neat that all the BYTE magazines were digitizedDec 01 18:08
schestowitzhttps://twitter.com/RootUsers_/status/671813888816492544Dec 01 18:17
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@RootUsers_: @schestowitz I'd have to guess because they don't know any better. :(Dec 01 18:17
schestowitzhttps://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/671671151542837249Dec 01 18:17
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz: "WordPress and Magento sites are the main targets." https://t.co/WITu3Qlz0Y so why is the media blaming "Linux"?!?!?!Dec 01 18:17
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights--> www.theregister.co.uk | Can't get a break: Pwned Linux ransomware pwned again, infects 3000 • The RegisterDec 01 18:17
schestowitz"Dec 01 18:18
schestowitzYour article about on TechRights about the leaked document has caused outrage throughout Europe.Dec 01 18:18
schestowitzhttp://techrights.org/2015/10/11/closer-contact-with-major-applicants-leaked/Dec 01 18:18
schestowitzMany technology news tickers referenced to it. That was good work :)Dec 01 18:18
schestowitz"Dec 01 18:18
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Leaked: EPO Prioritises Work for Large Foreign Corporations, Discrimination Not Accidental But Centrally Planned | Techrights [ http://ur1.ca/o0afw ]Dec 01 18:18
schestowitzThat was good work from my source too, I was mostly a courier with my own interpretationDec 01 18:18
schestowitzCan you post articles here that link to it? Hard for me to find non-English ones, especially ones that are new.Dec 01 18:19
schestowitzhttps://joindiaspora.com/posts/6870883Dec 01 18:20
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: 5 cracking attempts per second today in #techrights - it's like the majority of Net traffic there is junk nowDec 01 18:20
schestowitz"Dec 01 18:20
schestowitzWhat makes software different from plumbing, medicine or other engineering?Dec 01 18:20
schestowitzWhat else are patents but an expensive gamble for short term profit by employing ever more complicated financial and judicial constructions to control the rapid spread of methods and procedudes, thereby constraining overall progress in any field?Dec 01 18:20
schestowitz"Dec 01 18:20
schestowitzFair point, but to argue for abolishing all patents makes some view you as "radical"Dec 01 18:20
schestowitzhttp://www.theregister.co.uk/2015/11/30/european_patent_office_launches_lawyers/Dec 01 18:22
schestowitz"Redmond's patent paperwork 'prioritized'"Dec 01 18:22
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.theregister.co.uk | European Patent Office fires up lawyers over claims of cosy love-in with Microsoft • The Register [ http://ur1.ca/obyrr ]Dec 01 18:22
cubexyzwatch what you say... they'll be calling you a radicalDec 01 18:22
cubexyzliberal.... fanatical... criminalDec 01 18:23
schestowitztranslated thhe following, which we need for tomorrow's post about Spain:Dec 01 18:25
schestowitzFlorian Mueller, a world authority on the granting of patents, says: “The most recent information we’re getting describes a situation that would be inconceivable anywhere in the civilized world, but then the European Patent Organization, quite simply, is not a part of the civilized world”. It has even been said that the Office today is the last dictatorship on European soil.Dec 01 18:25
schestowitzSo what is Mueller, a German, talking about? Nothing more and nothing less than the fact that an atmosphere of panic at work and psychological terror has been created among many of the 7,000 or so employees of the European Patent Office (EPO).Dec 01 18:25
schestowitzhttp://suepo.org/public/newsDec 01 18:25
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-suepo.org | SUEPO - NewsDec 01 18:25
msb_cubexyz: Thanks for this beautiful and profound song!  The latest youtube-dl gets it:  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Mh3Kk5tZSmoDec 01 19:49
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.youtube.com | The Logical Song - YouTubeDec 01 19:49
MinceRYouTube said: This video is not available.Dec 01 19:52
MinceRis it like this one?  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4YxTa1AUqpsDec 01 19:53
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.youtube.com | Scooter - The Logical Song (Official Video) - YouTube [ http://ur1.ca/oc1rc ]Dec 01 19:53
msb_It's available to me in the US, and downloadable with the latest version of youtube-dl.  The Scooter one comes through to me at very high speed and pitch.Dec 01 19:56
MinceR:)Dec 01 19:57
MinceRit does have one surprisingly high-pitched voice, that's normalDec 01 19:57
MinceRand the high speed is normal for happy hardcoreDec 01 19:58
cubexyzoh you mean supertramp :)Dec 01 20:01
cubexyzyes, I thought it was appropriateDec 01 20:02
msb_It's wrong.  The song is The Logical Song by Supertramp.  Try various versions of it in youtube.  Looks like your Net is getting censored.Dec 01 20:03
TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     GNU UPC Hopes To Merge For GCC 6Dec 01 20:04
TweetTuxMachines                 https://t.co/p45wzjB2hV (www.tuxmachines.org)Dec 01 20:04
TweetTuxMachines........................................  http://ur1.ca/oc1rtDec 01 20:04
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | GNU UPC Hopes To Merge For GCC 6 | Tux MachinesDec 01 20:04
TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     Cleaning Linux: Jed’s Nappy /bootDec 01 20:04
TweetTuxMachines                 https://t.co/khdU19GJUR (www.tuxmachines.org)Dec 01 20:04
TweetTuxMachines........................................  http://ur1.ca/oc1ruDec 01 20:04
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Cleaning Linux: Jed’s Nappy /boot | Tux MachinesDec 01 20:04
msb_MinceR: check your mailDec 01 20:08
MinceRwhich one?Dec 01 20:09
msb_mincer.lightbringer@gmail.comDec 01 20:10
MinceRcould have been a bit less directDec 01 20:12
msb_could have checked all your mailsDec 01 20:12
MinceRthat is non-trivialDec 01 20:14
MinceRnow it arrived :>Dec 01 20:15
msb_Great!  Sorry.  Enjoy!Dec 01 20:21
MinceRthanksDec 01 20:21
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cubexyzhttp://www.maxhost.org/other/mccarthy-1950s-red-scare.jpgDec 01 20:26
MinceRand indeed, the Scooter song is a cover of the Supertramp songDec 01 20:28
MinceR"Acceptable, respectable, presentable, a vegetable"Dec 01 20:29
MinceRlolDec 01 20:29
cubexyzhttp://www.maxhost.org/other/w32gruel.gifDec 01 20:33
MinceR:)Dec 01 20:41
MinceRas if avoiding winblows saved you from software bloatDec 01 20:42
MinceRwhen the web is one of the worst offendersDec 01 20:42
cubexyzthat is trueDec 01 20:42
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cubexyzavoiding windows will help to avoid SOME of the bloatDec 01 20:56
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MinceRindeedDec 01 21:20
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msb_I think that if you have enough RAM, and a reasonably recent CPU, and don't overload Firefox with more than 10-20 tabs, the bloat from the Web is not serious.Dec 01 22:05
msb_Or you can use lynx.  8^)Dec 01 22:06
oiaohmmsb_: not that straight forwards on Firefox memory size to tabs.  It depends how crappy of website you visit.   The worst site I know of has 40 frames that are basically webpages in their own right.Dec 01 22:07
msb_On the average I'm right.Dec 01 22:08
oiaohmThe worst pages I know of are on facebook  msb_Dec 01 22:09
oiaohm10-20 tabs for a non facebook user.Dec 01 22:09
msb_Never use fuckbook.Dec 01 22:09
oiaohmIs about adverageDec 01 22:09
oiaohmBut at worst it could be 1 tabDec 01 22:09
oiaohmthese days I use browser links more than lynxDec 01 22:10
oiaohmYes confusing having two browsers with an name that sounds the same when you say it out loudDec 01 22:11
TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     Itty bitty ARM module starts at $27Dec 01 22:21
TweetTuxMachines                 https://t.co/pqx9zXdWVf (www.tuxmachines.org)Dec 01 22:21
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Itty bitty ARM module starts at $27 | Tux MachinesDec 01 22:21
TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     Chrome Remote Desktop is used on Deepin 15 forDec 01 22:21
TweetTuxMachines                 remote assistance https://t.co/2vGQAiF4RuDec 01 22:21
TweetTuxMachines                 (www.tuxmachines.org)Dec 01 22:21
TweetTuxMachines........................................  http://ur1.ca/oc1y4Dec 01 22:21
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Chrome Remote Desktop is used on Deepin 15 for remote assistance | Tux MachinesDec 01 22:21
TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     Best Practices for Open-source ProjectsDec 01 22:21
TweetTuxMachines                 https://t.co/dLPdXzwZEX (www.tuxmachines.org)Dec 01 22:21
TweetTuxMachines........................................  http://ur1.ca/oc1y5Dec 01 22:21
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Best Practices for Open-source Projects | Tux MachinesDec 01 22:22
TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     Canonical Patches Two Linux KernelDec 01 22:25
TweetTuxMachines                 Vulnerabilities in Ubuntu 14.04 LTS (TrustyDec 01 22:25
TweetTuxMachines                 Tahr) https://t.co/i6toUoa5MCDec 01 22:25
TweetTuxMachines                 (www.tuxmachines.org)Dec 01 22:25
TweetTuxMachines........................................  http://ur1.ca/oc1ydDec 01 22:25
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Canonical Patches Two Linux Kernel Vulnerabilities in Ubuntu 14.04 LTS (Trusty Tahr) | Tux MachinesDec 01 22:25
TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     Today in Techrights https://t.co/vaatJUWXvsDec 01 22:25
TweetTuxMachines                 (www.tuxmachines.org)Dec 01 22:25
TweetTuxMachines........................................  http://ur1.ca/oc1yeDec 01 22:25
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Today in Techrights | Tux MachinesDec 01 22:26
*TweetTuxMachines @softpedialinux favourited 'Canonical Patches Two Linux Kernel Vulnerabilities in Ubuntu...'Dec 01 22:29
TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     Today in Techrights https://t.co/u7MXGo4GWtDec 01 22:29
TweetTuxMachines                 (www.tuxmachines.org)Dec 01 22:29
TweetTuxMachines........................................  http://ur1.ca/oc1ykDec 01 22:29
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Today in Techrights | Tux MachinesDec 01 22:29
TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     Fedora 23 review: Skip if you want stability,Dec 01 22:29
TweetTuxMachines                 stay to try Linux’s bleeding edgeDec 01 22:29
TweetTuxMachines                 https://t.co/SqEZ23UwWd (arstechnica.com)Dec 01 22:29
TweetTuxMachines........................................  http://ur1.ca/oc1ylDec 01 22:29
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-arstechnica.com | Fedora 23 review: Skip if you want stability, stay to try Linux’s bleeding edge | Ars TechnicaDec 01 22:29
TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     Welcome to Linux: The Stone Age OSDec 01 22:32
TweetTuxMachines                 https://t.co/KC2RvFvdXd (fossforce.com)Dec 01 22:32
TweetTuxMachines........................................  http://ur1.ca/oc1ysDec 01 22:32
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-fossforce.com | Welcome to Linux: The Stone Age OS | FOSS ForceDec 01 22:32
TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     Ubuntu GNOME 15.10: The perfect Linux desktopDec 01 22:32
TweetTuxMachines                 distribution https://t.co/d9el0P9T4WDec 01 22:32
TweetTuxMachines                 (www.techrepublic.com)Dec 01 22:32
TweetTuxMachines........................................  http://ur1.ca/oc1yuDec 01 22:32
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.techrepublic.com | Ubuntu GNOME 15.10: The perfect Linux desktop distribution - TechRepublicDec 01 22:32
TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     Deepin 15. This could be the best Linux desktopDec 01 22:34
TweetTuxMachines                 distribution of the yearDec 01 22:34
TweetTuxMachines                 https://t.co/dHVsyBF8bV (linuxbsdos.com)Dec 01 22:34
TweetTuxMachines........................................  http://ur1.ca/oc1ywDec 01 22:34
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-linuxbsdos.com | Deepin 15. This could be the best Linux desktop distribution of the year | LinuxBSDos.comDec 01 22:34
*TweetTuxMachines @schestowitz retweeted @tuxmachines: 'Today in Techrights https://t.co/vaatJUWXvs'Dec 01 22:40
TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     New ELF Linker from the LLVM ProjectDec 01 22:40
TweetTuxMachines                 https://t.co/ue1Kd7960n (blog.llvm.org)Dec 01 22:40
TweetTuxMachines........................................  http://ur1.ca/oc1zgDec 01 22:40
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-blog.llvm.org | LLVM Project Blog: New ELF Linker from the LLVM ProjectDec 01 22:40
TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     Fedora 21 End Of Life https://t.co/wiuUKv0gz3Dec 01 22:40
TweetTuxMachines                 (lists.fedoraproject.org)Dec 01 22:40
TweetTuxMachines........................................  http://ur1.ca/oc1zhDec 01 22:40
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-SSL connect error ( status 0 @ https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/announce%40lists.fedoraproject.org/thread/UIOQNRVB5QQWZUHCB5NTAS33CGTQ526B/ )Dec 01 22:40
TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     Chrome Remote Desktop is used on Deepin 15 forDec 01 22:43
TweetTuxMachines                 remote assistance https://t.co/1pnJmzF8i7Dec 01 22:43
TweetTuxMachines                 (linuxbsdos.com)Dec 01 22:43
TweetTuxMachines........................................  http://ur1.ca/oc1zkDec 01 22:43
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-linuxbsdos.com | Chrome Remote Desktop is used on Deepin 15 for remote assistance | LinuxBSDos.comDec 01 22:43
TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     Itty bitty ARM module starts at $27Dec 01 22:43
TweetTuxMachines                 https://t.co/6nVdZhve41 (linuxgizmos.com) butDec 01 22:43
TweetTuxMachines                 can they compete with C.H.I.P. and Pi Zero?Dec 01 22:43
TweetTuxMachines........................................  http://ur1.ca/oc1zlDec 01 22:43
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-linuxgizmos.com | Itty bitty ARM module starts at $27, runs Linux ·  LinuxGizmos.comDec 01 22:43
TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     Canonical Patches Two Linux KernelDec 01 22:43
TweetTuxMachines                 Vulnerabilities in Ubuntu 14.04 LTS (TrustyDec 01 22:43
TweetTuxMachines                 Tahr) https://t.co/hT0kEZfsSqDec 01 22:43
TweetTuxMachines                 (linux.softpedia.com)Dec 01 22:43
TweetTuxMachines........................................  http://ur1.ca/oc1zmDec 01 22:43
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-linux.softpedia.com | Canonical Patches Two Linux Kernel Vulnerabilities in Ubuntu 14.04 LTS (Trusty Tahr)Dec 01 22:43
schestowitzhttps://twitter.com/Cleo_Qc/status/671897428002521088Dec 01 22:44
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@Cleo_Qc: Oh my dear #Thunderbird. What will happen to you? https://t.co/eQAHpAg1isDec 01 22:44
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz: #Thunderbird to be separated from #Mozilla https://t.co/6hkYcY8bKi not much has changed, they almost abandoned itDec 01 22:44
schestowitzhttps://twitter.com/Cleo_Qc/status/671897428002521088Dec 01 22:49
schestowitzhttps://twitter.com/TweetYohans/status/671898754694422529Dec 01 22:50
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@TweetYohans: @schestowitz Tails LinuxDec 01 22:50
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amarsh04if you block flash with flashblock, firefox/iceweasel can cope with very large numbers of open tabsDec 01 23:19
oiaohmamarsh04: some its html 5 and css issues so flash block is not enough.Dec 02 00:16
oiaohmamarsh04: browser memory usage is annoying hard to predict.   Dec 02 00:16
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*TweetTuxMachines @softpedialinux favourited 'Canonical Patches Two Linux Kernel Vulnerabilities in Ubuntu...'Dec 02 01:40
*TweetTuxMachines @Piyush_Pangtey favourited 'Richard Stallman Is Not The Father Of Open...'Dec 02 01:50
amarsh04oh, ok oiaohmDec 02 02:42
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schestowitzhttps://joindiaspora.com/posts/6877662Dec 02 05:27
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: Back in the days #mozilla tried to tell us that #thunderbird doesn't matter because of #gmail and crap. Now we know more about #nsa #prismDec 02 05:27
schestowitz"It’s silly they would say because of GMAIL. I don’t use it with gmail."Dec 02 05:27
schestowitzhttps://twitter.com/KrapulaPhD/status/672001835293634560Dec 02 05:41
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@KrapulaPhD: #EPO #patents #eu #accountability #governance https://t.co/gh1suQmTJfDec 02 05:41
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz: 2 hours ago press in Italy wrote about #epo (citing #techrights mostly). Can anyone translate for us? https://t.co/j6rhTkmVwC @glynmoodyDec 02 05:41
schestowitzhttps://twitter.com/pixeldyne_sys/status/672002929633574912Dec 02 05:50
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@pixeldyne_sys: @schestowitz tool? you'd have to be a tool to use flash 😜 #gnu 4 everDec 02 05:50
TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     Best Time To Buy An Android Phone? Six MonthsDec 02 06:29
TweetTuxMachines                 After Launch, Research SaysDec 02 06:30
TweetTuxMachines                 https://t.co/Br3rOrRHws (www.ibtimes.com)Dec 02 06:30
TweetTuxMachines........................................  http://ur1.ca/oc31zDec 02 06:30
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.ibtimes.com | Best Time To Buy An Android Phone? Six Months After Launch, Research SaysDec 02 06:30
TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     Android Skew in Smartphone Market Varies inDec 02 06:30
TweetTuxMachines                 Asia-Pacific https://t.co/q3nCUzr447Dec 02 06:30
TweetTuxMachines                 (www.emarketer.com)Dec 02 06:30
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.emarketer.com | Android Skew in Smartphone Market Varies in Asia-Pacific - eMarketerDec 02 06:30
TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     November Brought Plenty of Raspberry PiDec 02 06:31
TweetTuxMachines                 https://t.co/NgNbYjV8Fs (fossforce.com)Dec 02 06:31
TweetTuxMachines........................................  http://ur1.ca/oc324Dec 02 06:31
TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     Manjaro Linux 15.12 (Capella) Will BeDec 02 06:31
TweetTuxMachines                 Officially Released on December 22, 2015Dec 02 06:31
TweetTuxMachines                 https://t.co/ggVXQAQvfC (news.softpedia.com)Dec 02 06:31
TweetTuxMachines........................................  http://ur1.ca/oc329Dec 02 06:31
*TweetTuxMachines @softpedialinux favourited 'Manjaro Linux 15.12 (Capella) Will Be Officially Released...'Dec 02 06:31
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-fossforce.com | November Brought Plenty of Raspberry Pi | FOSS ForceDec 02 06:31
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-news.softpedia.com | Manjaro Linux 15.12 (Capella) Will Be Officially Released on December 22, 2015Dec 02 06:31
TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     Ubuntu 16.04 LTS Rebased on Linux Kernel 4.3,Dec 02 06:32
TweetTuxMachines                 First Alpha to Land December 31Dec 02 06:32
TweetTuxMachines                 https://t.co/Q4gvBYqhGU (news.softpedia.com)Dec 02 06:32
TweetTuxMachines........................................  http://ur1.ca/oc32aDec 02 06:32
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-news.softpedia.com | Ubuntu 16.04 LTS Rebased on Linux Kernel 4.3, First Alpha to Land December 31Dec 02 06:32
*TweetTuxMachines @softpedialinux favourited 'Ubuntu 16.04 LTS Rebased on Linux Kernel 4.3,...'Dec 02 06:32
schestowitzhttps://twitter.com/SeaH2ONymph/status/672013928831037440Dec 02 06:33
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@SeaH2ONymph: Front line #Iraq: deep suspicion of #US https://t.co/tilvtqPvlWDec 02 06:33
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz: The large proportion of Iraqis who believe the US is supporting #Isis https://t.co/pEURAUeQ7k well, indirectly its actions led to itDec 02 06:33
TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     Ubuntu Touch Mobile OS Based on Ubuntu 16.04Dec 02 06:35
TweetTuxMachines                 LTS Gets New Features https://t.co/TCxDBOwk22Dec 02 06:35
TweetTuxMachines                 (news.softpedia.com)Dec 02 06:35
TweetTuxMachines........................................  http://ur1.ca/oc32pDec 02 06:35
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-news.softpedia.com | Ubuntu Touch Mobile OS Based on Ubuntu 16.04 LTS Gets New FeaturesDec 02 06:35
*TweetTuxMachines @softpedialinux favourited 'Ubuntu Touch Mobile OS Based on Ubuntu 16.04...'Dec 02 06:35
schestowitzhttps://twitter.com/SeaH2ONymph/status/672013928831037440Dec 02 06:38
TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     Guide to Chromebook and Google account privacyDec 02 06:46
TweetTuxMachines                 settings for students https://t.co/GHMPBsF7WODec 02 06:46
TweetTuxMachines                 (linuxbsdos.com)Dec 02 06:46
TweetTuxMachines........................................  http://ur1.ca/oc33oDec 02 06:46
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-linuxbsdos.com | Guide to Chromebook and Google Account Privacy Settings for Students | LinuxBSDos.comDec 02 06:46
TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     Debian-Based Q4OS Linux Distro Gets New UpdateDec 02 06:46
TweetTuxMachines                 Notifier, Better Support for Android DevicesDec 02 06:46
TweetTuxMachines                 https://t.co/TqOBr4Lmk2 (adtmag.com)Dec 02 06:46
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-adtmag.com | IBM, Google Open Source Machine Learning Technology for Big Data Analytics -- ADTmagDec 02 06:46
TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     Arch Linux 2015.12.01 Is Now Available forDec 02 06:46
TweetTuxMachines                 Download, Includes https://t.co/5vV90nvkJZDec 02 06:46
TweetTuxMachines                 (www.x.org) Server 1.18.0Dec 02 06:46
TweetTuxMachines                 https://t.co/k7xmAy0WqZ (linux.softpedia.com)Dec 02 06:46
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.x.org | X.OrgDec 02 06:46
TweetTuxMachines........................................  http://ur1.ca/oc33qDec 02 06:46
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-linux.softpedia.com | Arch Linux 2015.12.01 Is Now Available for Download, Includes X.Org Server 1.18.0Dec 02 06:46
*TweetTuxMachines @softpedialinux favourited 'Debian-Based Q4OS Linux Distro Gets New Update Notifier,...'Dec 02 06:47
*TweetTuxMachines @softpedialinux favourited 'Arch Linux 2015.12.01 Is Now Available for Download,...'Dec 02 07:16
TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     A KDE loyalist tries GnomeDec 02 07:24
TweetTuxMachines                 https://t.co/z2BLRL3IfM (www.itworld.com)Dec 02 07:24
TweetTuxMachines........................................  http://twitter.com/tuxmachines/status/672023884519055360Dec 02 07:24
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.itworld.com | A KDE loyalist tries Gnome | ITworldDec 02 07:24
TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     Qubes OS 3.0 (also KaOS 2015.10 and Plasma onDec 02 07:33
TweetTuxMachines                 Wayland and NetBSD 7.0) https://t.co/ynPb5mLqfaDec 02 07:33
TweetTuxMachines                 (distrowatch.com)Dec 02 07:33
TweetTuxMachines........................................  http://twitter.com/tuxmachines/status/672024654333288448Dec 02 07:33
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-distrowatch.com | DistroWatch.com: Put the fun back into computing. Use Linux, BSD.Dec 02 07:33
TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     Samba 4.3.2 Released for GNU/Linux and Mac OSDec 02 07:41
TweetTuxMachines                 X, Fixes over 20 Bugs https://t.co/oRMvydFzh5Dec 02 07:41
TweetTuxMachines                 (news.softpedia.com)Dec 02 07:41
TweetTuxMachines........................................  http://twitter.com/tuxmachines/status/672026430855847937Dec 02 07:41
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-news.softpedia.com | Samba 4.3.2 Released for GNU/Linux and Mac OS X, Fixes over 20 BugsDec 02 07:41
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schestowitz> I won't go there on Friday. They protest all the time, so I tend to agree with your wife.Dec 02 08:17
schestowitzI'm going to just carry on writing (big backlog here).Dec 02 08:17
schestowitz(re EPO)Dec 02 08:17
schestowitzhttps://twitter.com/theGuruWithin/status/672040654759833600Dec 02 08:20
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@theGuruWithin: .@schestowitz u betcha- Shift is happening People who have hd grandma & grand-kids vaporized in the fields by #Drones r going 2 never forgetDec 02 08:20
schestowitzhttps://twitter.com/theGuruWithin/status/672040748678705153Dec 02 08:20
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@theGuruWithin: .@schestowitz #idwpDec 02 08:20
schestowitzhttps://twitter.com/motters/status/672041948144865281Dec 02 08:20
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@motters: @MyriamFrancoisC @schestowitz that's an interesting question, worth knowing the answer toDec 02 08:20
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TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     Samba 4.3.2 Released for GNU/Linux and Mac OSDec 02 08:26
TweetTuxMachines                 X, Fixes over 20 Bugs https://t.co/1XaQRjhw2sDec 02 08:26
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TweetTuxMachines........................................  http://twitter.com/tuxmachines/status/672042041799344129Dec 02 08:26
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Samba 4.3.2 Released for GNU/Linux and Mac OS X, Fixes over 20 Bugs | Tux MachinesDec 02 08:26
schestowitzhttps://twitter.com/angrymofo/status/672043224995930112Dec 02 08:27
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@angrymofo: @dharmabum013 @schestowitz https://t.co/TcXD37aXf4Dec 02 08:27
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TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     Deepin the Best, Fedora 21 Buried, and RMSDec 02 08:35
TweetTuxMachines                 https://t.co/Q8SX0lQHqd (www.tuxmachines.org)Dec 02 08:35
TweetTuxMachines........................................  http://twitter.com/tuxmachines/status/672042042994720768Dec 02 08:35
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Deepin the Best, Fedora 21 Buried, and RMS | Tux MachinesDec 02 08:35
TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     A KDE loyalist tries GnomeDec 02 08:44
TweetTuxMachines                 https://t.co/iI4uNiT7EB (www.tuxmachines.org)Dec 02 08:44
TweetTuxMachines........................................  http://twitter.com/tuxmachines/status/672042043913342977Dec 02 08:44
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TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     Red Hat and Fedora https://t.co/5DDdTbRCsNDec 02 09:30
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TweetTuxMachines........................................  http://twitter.com/tuxmachines/status/672042046044028931Dec 02 09:30
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Red Hat and Fedora | Tux MachinesDec 02 09:30
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TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     Qubes OS 3.0 (also KaOS 2015.10 and Plasma onDec 02 09:38
TweetTuxMachines                 Wayland and NetBSD 7.0) https://t.co/xFF3vNxV6aDec 02 09:38
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TweetTuxMachines........................................  http://twitter.com/tuxmachines/status/672042044987084801Dec 02 09:38
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Qubes OS 3.0 (also KaOS 2015.10 and Plasma on Wayland and NetBSD 7.0) | Tux MachinesDec 02 09:38
TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     Links 2/12/2015: Microsoft and Debian,Dec 02 09:47
TweetTuxMachines                 Thunderbird's Fate https://t.co/5bdgFI7RWFDec 02 09:47
TweetTuxMachines                 (techrights.org)Dec 02 09:47
TweetTuxMachines........................................  http://twitter.com/tuxmachines/status/672050020288475136Dec 02 09:47
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Links 2/12/2015: Microsoft and Debian, Thunderbird’s Fate | TechrightsDec 02 09:47
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TweetTuxMachines                 https://t.co/WAP9mros1B (www.tuxmachines.org)Dec 02 09:57
TweetTuxMachines........................................  http://twitter.com/tuxmachines/status/672064852693663744Dec 02 09:57
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Leftovers: Debian Family | Tux MachinesDec 02 09:57
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TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     Leftovers: Gaming https://t.co/8zbN4BmzyBDec 02 10:05
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TweetTuxMachines........................................  http://twitter.com/tuxmachines/status/672064853465366529Dec 02 10:05
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Leftovers: Gaming | Tux MachinesDec 02 10:05
TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     today's howtos https://t.co/N2xi7qqY2aDec 02 10:14
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TweetTuxMachines........................................  http://twitter.com/tuxmachines/status/672064854379769857Dec 02 10:14
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | today's howtos | Tux MachinesDec 02 10:14
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XRevan86Stop netsplitting. Are you all on one server?Dec 02 10:53
XRevan86MinceR: At least you're not.Dec 02 10:54
MinceR:)Dec 02 11:14
MinceRwe're on orwell and we've split off the rest of freenodeDec 02 11:14
XRevan86MinceR: Oh, it's weDec 02 11:15
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XRevan86MinceR: chat.freenode.net still pointed me to orwell.freenode.net, uffDec 02 11:18
MinceRwell, it's round-robinDec 02 11:18
MinceRhere it points to 3 ipv4 addressesDec 02 11:19
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XRevan86MinceR: Yeah, worked now.Dec 02 11:20
XRevan86MinceR: You also use reconnector?Dec 02 11:21
XRevan86or do you directly connect to orwell.freenode.netDec 02 11:22
MinceRi use round-robinDec 02 11:23
MinceRbut i don't care much about netsplitsDec 02 11:23
XRevan86MinceR: Why don't youDec 02 11:24
MinceRi have enough to do anywayDec 02 11:25
MinceRand plenty of non-freenode channels i'm onDec 02 11:25
MinceRplus it still isn't as bad as ircnetDec 02 11:25
MinceRwhere netsplits occur more frequentlyDec 02 11:25
MinceRand can mean you lose your nick, your channels and can't even join some of the channels you're on for 30 minutesDec 02 11:25
XRevan86MinceR: I meant this particular netsplitDec 02 11:26
XRevan86MinceR: freenode is pretty good, yeahDec 02 11:26
MinceRnormally i wouldn't even notice itDec 02 11:27
MinceRit's not that good but at least it's not stuck in the last millennium like ircnet isDec 02 11:27
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MinceRlolDec 02 11:30
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XRevan86_MinceR: Apparently Internet is full of stucked in the last millennia IRC servers.Dec 02 11:32
MinceRwell, there's also efnet, maybe there still are ircx networksDec 02 11:33
MinceRand to some extent undernet and quakenet is stuck in the past tooDec 02 11:33
XRevan86_rusnetDec 02 11:33
MinceRnever been thereDec 02 11:33
XRevan86_MinceR: No wonderDec 02 11:33
XRevan86_they're in unicode denial :)Dec 02 11:33
MinceRlolDec 02 11:33
MinceRkoi-8-r?Dec 02 11:33
XRevan86_MinceR: yepDec 02 11:34
XRevan86_and cp1251Dec 02 11:34
XRevan86_and translitDec 02 11:34
MinceRvolapuk encoding?Dec 02 11:34
XRevan86_MinceR: volapuk?Dec 02 11:35
MinceRhttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Volapuk_encodingDec 02 11:35
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-en.wikipedia.org | Volapuk encoding - Wikipedia, the free encyclopediaDec 02 11:35
MinceRah, translit is differentDec 02 11:35
XRevan86_MinceR: translit is not trying to imitate cyrillic with latinDec 02 11:36
MinceRthough there are similaritiesDec 02 11:36
MinceRat least according to wikipediaDec 02 11:36
XRevan86_it's substutingDec 02 11:36
MinceRhttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/TranslitDec 02 11:36
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-en.wikipedia.org | Translit - Wikipedia, the free encyclopediaDec 02 11:36
XRevan86_entsiklopedia wikipediaDec 02 11:36
XRevan86_MinceR: Translit gives less space for doubtful spellingDec 02 11:39
XRevan86_> Э → ~)Dec 02 11:39
XRevan86_Because this just sucksDec 02 11:39
XRevan86_BOJIAnyKDec 02 11:41
MinceR:)Dec 02 11:42
XRevan86_4ETKODec 02 11:42
MinceRBO/\AnIOKDec 02 11:42
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XRevan86_or is itDec 02 11:47
XRevan86XRevan86_: Oh heyDec 02 11:48
XRevan86damnDec 02 11:48
XRevan86_123Dec 02 11:48
XRevan86_MinceR: Yeah, Ю.Dec 02 11:48
XRevan86_That's some latency.Dec 02 11:49
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MinceR:)Dec 02 11:50
XRevan86MinceR: I've read the word spelled in Latin which made me mispronounce it :)Dec 02 11:50
MinceR:)Dec 02 11:50
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MinceRhttp://jaredburrell.com/oops-i-joined-a-cult/Dec 02 11:56
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-jaredburrell.com | Oops, I Joined A Cult - Jared Burrell, ComposerDec 02 11:56
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TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     Leftovers: Software https://t.co/cPFgKGYupjDec 02 12:08
TweetTuxMachines                 (www.tuxmachines.org)Dec 02 12:08
TweetTuxMachines........................................  http://twitter.com/tuxmachines/status/672064855315091457Dec 02 12:08
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Leftovers: Software | Tux MachinesDec 02 12:08
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schestowitzfreenode still bonkers today?Dec 02 12:16
schestowitzI see lots of netsplits in scrollbackDec 02 12:16
XRevan86schestowitz: Seems okay now.Dec 02 12:16
schestowitzyeah, but for a week now it's on and offDec 02 12:16
schestowitzso there's no permanent block of the DDOSDec 02 12:16
TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     today's leftovers https://t.co/TR1o1RGx4mDec 02 12:16
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TweetTuxMachines........................................  http://twitter.com/tuxmachines/status/672064856191700992Dec 02 12:16
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | today's leftovers | Tux MachinesDec 02 12:17
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Anotherr_FriendWhy does the EPO need an investigator performing forensic activities?  https://www.scribd.com/doc/291957971/Why-does-the-EPO-need-an-investigator-performing-forensic-activitiesDec 02 12:17
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights- ( status 410 @ http://www.scribd.com/doc/291957971/Why-does-the-EPO-need-an-investigator-performing-forensic-activities )Dec 02 12:17
schestowitzthanksDec 02 12:18
schestowitzwait...Dec 02 12:18
Anotherr_FriendMy pleasure.Dec 02 12:18
schestowitzlet me check if I have followup questionsDec 02 12:18
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schestowitzhttps://twitter.com/brianfagioli/status/672101589293862912Dec 02 12:21
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@brianfagioli: @schestowitz things never change. https://t.co/q5gGN5rAWtDec 02 12:21
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schestowitzhttps://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/672101349899821056Dec 02 12:21
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz: Today's TV is full of 'war porn'. Lots of politicians who obviously won't go to fight or send their children decide whether to bomb nation.Dec 02 12:21
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TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     ‘Public administration should prefer openDec 02 14:03
TweetTuxMachines                 source’ https://t.co/8lRcntJSyTDec 02 14:03
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TweetTuxMachines........................................  http://twitter.com/tuxmachines/status/672127848048562176Dec 02 14:03
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | ‘Public administration should prefer open source’ | Tux MachinesDec 02 14:03
TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     European Commission site developers eyingDec 02 14:12
TweetTuxMachines                 Drupal 8 https://t.co/FxlpX6bipiDec 02 14:12
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TweetTuxMachines........................................  http://twitter.com/tuxmachines/status/672127849357254657Dec 02 14:12
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TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     Linux Mint website has been down sinceDec 02 14:19
TweetTuxMachines                 yesterday https://t.co/qk9QJj5tnwDec 02 14:19
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TweetTuxMachines........................................  http://twitter.com/tuxmachines/status/672127850594459648Dec 02 14:19
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Linux Mint website has been down since yesterday | Tux MachinesDec 02 14:19
TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     CoreOS Brings Distributed Trusted Computing toDec 02 14:26
TweetTuxMachines                 Containers https://t.co/plN8ZDIypUDec 02 14:26
TweetTuxMachines                 (www.tuxmachines.org)Dec 02 14:26
TweetTuxMachines........................................  http://twitter.com/tuxmachines/status/672127851391352832Dec 02 14:26
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | CoreOS Brings Distributed Trusted Computing to Containers | Tux MachinesDec 02 14:26
TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     10 tools for visual effects in Linux withDec 02 14:28
TweetTuxMachines                 Kdenlive https://t.co/HHAey5RL5cDec 02 14:28
TweetTuxMachines                 (www.tuxmachines.org)Dec 02 14:28
TweetTuxMachines........................................  http://twitter.com/tuxmachines/status/672127852242821121Dec 02 14:28
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | 10 tools for visual effects in Linux with Kdenlive | Tux MachinesDec 02 14:28
schestowitzhttps://twitter.com/gregjobe95/status/672133887791865856Dec 02 14:31
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@gregjobe95: Retweeted Dr. Roy Schestowitz (@schestowitz): #PhonyTedCruz: Rubio vs. Cruz war heats up as rival campaigns... https://t.co/n9sbRD7enRDec 02 14:31
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights--> www.salon.com | #PhonyTedCruz: Rubio vs. Cruz war heats up as rival campaigns bicker over NSA surveillance - Salon.comDec 02 14:31
schestowitzpatent idiocy http://www.standard.co.uk/business/market-report-pharma-stocks-shine-after-morgan-stanley-upgrade-a3128351.htmlDec 02 14:35
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.standard.co.uk | Market Report: Pharma stocks shine after Morgan Stanley upgrade | Business | London Evening StandardDec 02 14:35
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oiaohmhttp://www.eweek.com/enterprise-apps/coreos-brings-distributed-trusted-computing-to-containers.html Dec 02 18:01
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.eweek.com | CoreOS Brings Distributed Trusted Computing to ContainersDec 02 18:01
TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     New Open Source Zipnish Tool Promises BetterDec 02 18:01
TweetTuxMachines                 Microservices PerformanceDec 02 18:01
TweetTuxMachines                 https://t.co/3AqS1wDFM1 (www.tuxmachines.org)Dec 02 18:01
TweetTuxMachines........................................  http://twitter.com/tuxmachines/status/672168236780163072Dec 02 18:01
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | New Open Source Zipnish Tool Promises Better Microservices Performance | Tux MachinesDec 02 18:01
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TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     Entropy drought hits Raspberry Pi harvests,Dec 02 18:09
TweetTuxMachines                 weakens SSH security https://t.co/xGz71EMNgADec 02 18:09
TweetTuxMachines                 (www.tuxmachines.org)Dec 02 18:09
TweetTuxMachines........................................  http://twitter.com/tuxmachines/status/672168237946179585Dec 02 18:09
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Entropy drought hits Raspberry Pi harvests, weakens SSH security | Tux MachinesDec 02 18:09
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schestowitz https://twitter.com/valeryan24/status/672199897060417536  https://twitter.com/valeryan24/status/672200203613642752  https://twitter.com/valeryan24/status/672200806473560064Dec 02 19:16
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@valeryan24: @jonworth @glynmoody @jamieXML @schestowitz @_piks3l @davlgd Some news: meeting made with FB & belgian Commission... https://t.co/0ULt9xKjJoDec 02 19:16
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@plicplic: En Belgique, il faudra être inscrit sur Facebook pour consulter les pages publiques du réseau social. https://t.co/KKwgvKF7feDec 02 19:16
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@valeryan24: @jonworth @glynmoody @JamieXML @schestowitz @_piks3l @davlgd Judgement notified to FB Belgium, Ireland & US this week. FB goes to appeal...Dec 02 19:16
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@valeryan24: @jonworth @glynmoody @JamieXML @schestowitz To comply decision (suppress Datr cookie) FB restrict access of public pages to registered usersDec 02 19:16
cubexyzoiaohm, according to one web page:Dec 02 19:47
cubexyzThe final BKL removal isn't really a big step forward for Linux. It's more a symbolic gestureDec 02 19:47
cubexyzhttp://halobates.de/blog/p/56Dec 02 19:48
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-halobates.de | Removing the big kernel lock. A big deal? at Andi Kleen's blogDec 02 19:48
oiaohmcubexyz: by the time of it removeal its symbolic.Dec 02 19:55
oiaohmcubexyz: but the change away from single lock make the Linux kernel more multi threading.    The start of 2.6.0 kernel in 2003 still has a lot of big kernel lock stuff.   https://lwn.net/Articles/411590/  Notice 2010 file locking still raises a BKLDec 02 19:59
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-lwn.net | 2.6.37 merge window, part 1 [LWN.net]Dec 02 19:59
cubexyzprobably the biggest bottleneck for my server is the ISP upload speedDec 02 20:03
cubexyzwhich is frankly, not good :)Dec 02 20:03
cubexyztoday's BSOD:Dec 02 20:46
cubexyzhttp://www.maxhost.org/other/mall-bsod.pngDec 02 20:46
cubexyzdisable BIOS memory options such as caching or shadowing :)Dec 02 20:47
cubexyzthat will definitely helpDec 02 20:47
cubexyz"Did they try turning the mall off and on again?" lolDec 02 20:50
cubexyzok, one more...Dec 02 20:55
cubexyzhttp://www.maxhost.org/other/black-friday-bsod.pngDec 02 20:55
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TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     Android Everywhere https://t.co/O4fT5R4iEuDec 02 21:37
TweetTuxMachines                 (www.tuxmachines.org)Dec 02 21:37
TweetTuxMachines........................................  http://twitter.com/tuxmachines/status/672187728902021120Dec 02 21:37
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Android Everywhere | Tux MachinesDec 02 21:37
TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     Android co-founder Andy Rubin may want to startDec 02 21:45
TweetTuxMachines                 a new smartphone companyDec 02 21:45
TweetTuxMachines                 https://t.co/p1DGffaVLD (www.tuxmachines.org)Dec 02 21:45
TweetTuxMachines........................................  http://twitter.com/tuxmachines/status/672223992439148544Dec 02 21:46
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Android co-founder Andy Rubin may want to start a new smartphone company | Tux MachinesDec 02 21:46
TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     Snapcraft 0.6 Ubuntu Snappy Creator Tool Is OutDec 02 21:54
TweetTuxMachines                 with Support for 32-bit Node.jsDec 02 21:54
TweetTuxMachines                 https://t.co/IIWCQWgxhR (www.tuxmachines.org)Dec 02 21:54
TweetTuxMachines........................................  http://twitter.com/tuxmachines/status/672241041441853440Dec 02 21:54
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Snapcraft 0.6 Ubuntu Snappy Creator Tool Is Out with Support for 32-bit Node.js | Tux MachinesDec 02 21:54
TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     Solus Linux Operating System Drops LightDM forDec 02 22:03
TweetTuxMachines                 GDM as Default Login ManagerDec 02 22:03
TweetTuxMachines                 https://t.co/Y6THR1vWaN (www.tuxmachines.org)Dec 02 22:03
TweetTuxMachines........................................  http://twitter.com/tuxmachines/status/672241042410737664Dec 02 22:03
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Solus Linux Operating System Drops LightDM for GDM as Default Login Manager | Tux MachinesDec 02 22:03
*TweetTuxMachines @softpedialinux favourited 'Snapcraft 0.6 Ubuntu Snappy Creator Tool Is Out...'Dec 02 22:59
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schestowitzhttps://twitter.com/iridesce57/status/672284705274875904Dec 03 00:24
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@iridesce57: @schestowitz Thank you for battling to uphold the rights of us all against such tyrannyDec 03 00:24
schestowitzhttps://twitter.com/LinuxSocist/status/672284969738219520Dec 03 00:25
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@LinuxSocist: @schestowitz odd, my abused XP VM is accessing techrights.Dec 03 00:25
schestowitzhttps://twitter.com/iridesce57/status/672285612620316672Dec 03 00:26
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@iridesce57: @schestowitz Thanks for your ongoing articlesDec 03 00:26
schestowitzTired, will carry on tomorrow...Dec 03 00:26
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TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     Links 2/12/2015: Microsoft and Debian,Dec 03 02:58
TweetTuxMachines retweeted by    Thunderbird's Fate https://t.co/5bdgFI7RWFDec 03 02:58
TweetTuxMachines @schestowitz    (techrights.org)Dec 03 02:58
TweetTuxMachines........................................  http://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/672263749751951360Dec 03 02:58
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Links 2/12/2015: Microsoft and Debian, Thunderbird’s Fate | TechrightsDec 03 02:58
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TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     2015: Best Android tablets for work and playDec 03 05:58
TweetTuxMachines                 https://t.co/GDP8Jzwb84 (www.tuxmachines.org)Dec 03 05:58
TweetTuxMachines........................................  http://twitter.com/tuxmachines/status/672367058118578176Dec 03 05:58
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | 2015: Best Android tablets for work and play | Tux MachinesDec 03 05:58
TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     Is That Linux? No, It’s PC-BSDDec 03 06:06
TweetTuxMachines                 https://t.co/6NQdRNzAq6 (www.tuxmachines.org)Dec 03 06:06
TweetTuxMachines........................................  http://twitter.com/tuxmachines/status/672367059137724416Dec 03 06:06
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Is That Linux? No, It’s PC-BSD | Tux MachinesDec 03 06:06
TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     Understanding the kernel release cycleDec 03 07:23
TweetTuxMachines                 https://t.co/DWpsAprlRh (www.tuxmachines.org)Dec 03 07:23
TweetTuxMachines........................................  http://twitter.com/tuxmachines/status/672367060299546624Dec 03 07:23
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Understanding the kernel release cycle | Tux MachinesDec 03 07:23
TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     Hands-On with the Raspberry Pi Zero, Part 3:Dec 03 07:32
TweetTuxMachines                 Software https://t.co/ZWK8V0qoKRDec 03 07:32
TweetTuxMachines                 (www.tuxmachines.org)Dec 03 07:32
TweetTuxMachines........................................  http://twitter.com/tuxmachines/status/672367061037789188Dec 03 07:32
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Hands-On with the Raspberry Pi Zero, Part 3: Software | Tux MachinesDec 03 07:32
Sosumihttp://www.redhat.com/en/about/press-releases/microsoft-and-red-hat-deliver-new-standard-enterprise-cloud-experiences?sc_cid=70160000000eUoRAAU&&elqaid=22776&elqat=1&elqTrackId=56ce1bc3d04643e4b611ec4291e38b5f&elq=1463b9cbe93d429fb789b3ebc919d6f1Dec 03 07:35
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.redhat.com | Microsoft and Red Hat to deliver new standard for enterprise cloud experiences | Red HatDec 03 07:35
Sosumigo to love the titleDec 03 07:36
Sosumi*gotDec 03 07:36
TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     MediaTek Labs Announces Open-Source IoTDec 03 07:39
TweetTuxMachines                 Development Platform https://t.co/2u7qNctmjRDec 03 07:39
TweetTuxMachines                 (www.tuxmachines.org)Dec 03 07:39
TweetTuxMachines........................................  http://twitter.com/tuxmachines/status/672388699171127297Dec 03 07:39
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | MediaTek Labs Announces Open-Source IoT Development Platform | Tux MachinesDec 03 07:39
TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     Canonical Partners with 6WIND to Accelerate theDec 03 07:48
TweetTuxMachines                 Growth of Ubuntu Cloud NetworkingDec 03 07:48
TweetTuxMachines                 https://t.co/SvH80n2uEs (www.tuxmachines.org)Dec 03 07:48
TweetTuxMachines........................................  http://twitter.com/tuxmachines/status/672388700009926656Dec 03 07:48
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Canonical Partners with 6WIND to Accelerate the Growth of Ubuntu Cloud Networking | Tux MachinesDec 03 07:49
TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     After Fedora 21, Now Chapeau 21 LinuxDec 03 07:55
TweetTuxMachines                 Distribution Reaches End of LifeDec 03 07:55
TweetTuxMachines                 https://t.co/4FYqiksO0M (www.tuxmachines.org)Dec 03 07:55
TweetTuxMachines........................................  http://twitter.com/tuxmachines/status/672388700827873280Dec 03 07:55
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | After Fedora 21, Now Chapeau 21 Linux Distribution Reaches End of Life | Tux MachinesDec 03 07:55
schestowitz[12:35] <Sosumi> http://www.redhat.com/en/about/press-releases/microsoft-and-red-hat-deliver-new-standard-enterprise-cloud-experiences?sc_cid=70160000000eUoRAAU&&elqaid=22776&elqat=1&elqTrackId=56ce1bc3d04643e4b611ec4291e38b5f&elq=1463b9cbe93d429fb789b3ebc919d6f1Dec 03 07:56
schestowitzyes, i mentioned this last monthDec 03 07:57
schestowitzand mocked itDec 03 07:57
schestowitzwhat next? new standard re systemd?Dec 03 07:57
oiaohmschestowitz: http://www.serverwatch.com/server-news/coreos-and-the-app-container-spec.html  did you miss this Server Linux using TPM chip heavily.Dec 03 07:59
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.serverwatch.com | CoreOS and the App Container SpecDec 03 07:59
oiaohmschestowitz: https://coreos.com/using-coreos/systemd/  Yes core of coreos is systemd.Dec 03 08:00
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-coreos.com | Using systemd with CoreOSDec 03 08:00
oiaohmschestowitz: so systemd +TPM how could this go wrong.Dec 03 08:00
TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     6 useful LibreOffice extensionsDec 03 08:03
TweetTuxMachines                 https://t.co/3zPTkmsBEs (www.tuxmachines.org)Dec 03 08:03
TweetTuxMachines........................................  http://twitter.com/tuxmachines/status/672388701792559104Dec 03 08:03
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | 6 useful LibreOffice extensions | Tux MachinesDec 03 08:03
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TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     Latest Raspbian update https://t.co/2cOcABJ1rFDec 03 08:12
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TweetTuxMachines                 (www.tuxmachines.org)Dec 03 08:12
TweetTuxMachines........................................  http://twitter.com/tuxmachines/status/672388702711123968Dec 03 08:12
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Latest Raspbian update | Tux MachinesDec 03 08:12
*TweetTuxMachines @softpedialinux favourited 'Canonical Partners with 6WIND to Accelerate the Growth...'Dec 03 08:12
*TweetTuxMachines @softpedialinux favourited 'MediaTek Labs Announces Open-Source IoT Development Platform https://t.co/2u7qNctmjR'Dec 03 08:12
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | MediaTek Labs Announces Open-Source IoT Development Platform | Tux MachinesDec 03 08:12
*TweetTuxMachines @softpedialinux favourited 'After Fedora 21, Now Chapeau 21 Linux Distribution...'Dec 03 08:30
TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     Today in Techrights https://t.co/AasuIiaRrGDec 03 08:39
TweetTuxMachines                 (www.tuxmachines.org)Dec 03 08:39
TweetTuxMachines........................................  http://twitter.com/tuxmachines/status/672404227856179200Dec 03 08:39
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Today in Techrights | Tux MachinesDec 03 08:39
*TweetTuxMachines @schestowitz retweeted @tuxmachines: 'Today in Techrights https://t.co/AasuIiaRrG'Dec 03 08:39
TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     5 reasons why the BlackBerry Priv could be theDec 03 08:44
TweetTuxMachines                 best Android business smartphoneDec 03 08:44
TweetTuxMachines                 https://t.co/LtY0YMimBz (www.techradar.com)Dec 03 08:44
TweetTuxMachines........................................  http://twitter.com/tuxmachines/status/672408124784050176Dec 03 08:44
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.techradar.com | 5 reasons why the BlackBerry Priv could be the best Android business smartphone | TechRadarDec 03 08:44
TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     Linux Mint website has been down sinceDec 03 08:53
TweetTuxMachines                 yesterday https://t.co/61c0LIh0INDec 03 08:53
TweetTuxMachines                 (linuxbsdos.com) "busing trying to bring theDec 03 08:53
TweetTuxMachines                 main website and forums back online"Dec 03 08:53
TweetTuxMachines........................................  http://twitter.com/tuxmachines/status/672408911845134336Dec 03 08:53
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-linuxbsdos.com | Linux Mint website has been down since yesterday | LinuxBSDos.comDec 03 08:53
schestowitzhttps://twitter.com/pinguinpatje/status/672412527255527424Dec 03 08:56
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@pinguinpatje: @funktio @schestowitz @GoldmanSachs nice...Dec 03 08:56
schestowitzSlush funds at the corner of $1,000,000 per year (EPO PR)? Said becomes paid? Not sure, but everyone wants a portion of this budget.Dec 03 08:57
TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     PuppEX Linux Is Now Based on Puppy Slacko64Dec 03 08:58
TweetTuxMachines                 6.3.0, Runs Linux Kernel 4.3Dec 03 08:58
TweetTuxMachines                 https://t.co/2Dz4N027bc (www.tuxmachines.org)Dec 03 08:58
TweetTuxMachines........................................  http://twitter.com/tuxmachines/status/672409038194237441Dec 03 08:58
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | PuppEX Linux Is Now Based on Puppy Slacko64 6.3.0, Runs Linux Kernel 4.3 | Tux MachinesDec 03 08:58
TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     Today in Techrights https://t.co/6WINpD8cmGDec 03 09:07
TweetTuxMachines                 (www.tuxmachines.org)Dec 03 09:07
TweetTuxMachines........................................  http://twitter.com/tuxmachines/status/672409039343456256Dec 03 09:07
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Today in Techrights | Tux MachinesDec 03 09:07
TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     PHP 7.0 arrives, so go forth and upgrade if youDec 03 09:15
TweetTuxMachines                 dare https://t.co/yMIzTiTITRDec 03 09:15
TweetTuxMachines                 (www.tuxmachines.org)Dec 03 09:15
TweetTuxMachines........................................  http://twitter.com/tuxmachines/status/672409040350146561Dec 03 09:15
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | PHP 7.0 arrives, so go forth and upgrade if you dare | Tux MachinesDec 03 09:15
TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     Fedora Stakeholders Discuss Moving Away FromDec 03 09:20
TweetTuxMachines                 Grubby https://t.co/1BvWnBuEJLDec 03 09:20
TweetTuxMachines                 (www.tuxmachines.org)Dec 03 09:20
TweetTuxMachines........................................  http://twitter.com/tuxmachines/status/672409041340002304Dec 03 09:20
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Fedora Stakeholders Discuss Moving Away From Grubby | Tux MachinesDec 03 09:20
TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     CoreOS Brings Distributed Trusted Computing toDec 03 09:26
TweetTuxMachines                 Containers https://t.co/Tvesi5c68tDec 03 09:26
TweetTuxMachines                 (www.eweek.com)Dec 03 09:26
TweetTuxMachines........................................  http://twitter.com/tuxmachines/status/672409069764878336Dec 03 09:26
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.eweek.com | CoreOS Brings Distributed Trusted Computing to ContainersDec 03 09:26
TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     GNOME: Three years and countingDec 03 09:34
TweetTuxMachines                 https://t.co/rNHaWCwrpZ (www.dragonsreach.it)Dec 03 09:34
TweetTuxMachines........................................  http://twitter.com/tuxmachines/status/672410229116678144Dec 03 09:34
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-SSL connect error ( status 0 @ https://www.dragonsreach.it/2015/12/02/three-years-and-counting/ )Dec 03 09:34
TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     Entropy drought hits Raspberry Pi harvests,Dec 03 09:43
TweetTuxMachines                 weakens SSH security https://t.co/EAi6PTfAzkDec 03 09:43
TweetTuxMachines                 (www.theregister.co.uk)Dec 03 09:43
TweetTuxMachines........................................  http://twitter.com/tuxmachines/status/672416162525937666Dec 03 09:43
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.theregister.co.uk | Entropy drought hits Raspberry Pi harvests, weakens SSH security • The RegisterDec 03 09:43
TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     Android Everywhere https://t.co/H8n60J6VK7Dec 03 09:48
TweetTuxMachines                 (www.androidcentral.com)Dec 03 09:48
TweetTuxMachines........................................  http://twitter.com/tuxmachines/status/672416317161521153Dec 03 09:48
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.androidcentral.com | Android Everywhere | Android CentralDec 03 09:48
*TweetTuxMachines @schestowitz retweeted @tuxmachines: 'Today in Techrights https://t.co/6WINpD8cmG'Dec 03 09:48
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Today in Techrights | Tux MachinesDec 03 09:48
schestowitzhttps://twitter.com/zoobab/status/672426690916798464Dec 03 09:49
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@zoobab: @schestowitz the gcc pic is the same as the wipo pic of yesterdayDec 03 09:49
schestowitzhttps://twitter.com/IAM_magazine/status/672427344896909312Dec 03 09:50
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@IAM_magazine: @zoobab @KrapulaPhD @schestowitz Folk who believe we are in the pay of the EPP are best off not reading us. Farewell.Dec 03 09:50
schestowitzLOLDec 03 09:50
schestowitzhttps://twitter.com/zoobab/status/672425320583139329   https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/672427295408304128Dec 03 09:51
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@zoobab: @IAM_magazine @KrapulaPhD @schestowitz we ate still waiting for an article on the keyloggers... IAM still acessibe from the intranet?Dec 03 09:51
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz: .@zoobab @IAM_magazine @KrapulaPhD the keyloggers, the $1m contract for reputation laundering, the "forensics", the union-busting... #epoDec 03 09:51
TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     Android co-founder Andy Rubin may want to startDec 03 09:56
TweetTuxMachines                 a new smartphone companyDec 03 09:56
TweetTuxMachines                 https://t.co/w0EkG0MWkl (www.theverge.com)Dec 03 09:56
TweetTuxMachines........................................  http://twitter.com/tuxmachines/status/672417095188144130Dec 03 09:56
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.theverge.com | Android co-founder Andy Rubin may want to start a new smartphone company | The VergeDec 03 09:56
msb_Interesting that in the Age of the Internet, it's impossible to cover anything up.  With whistleblowers, blogs, websites, social media, etc, etc, anyone who tries to hide their wrongdoing just digs their hole deeper -- now it's a crime _and_ a coverup.Dec 03 09:58
schestowitzhttps://twitter.com/KrapulaPhD/status/672427858850131968Dec 03 10:00
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@KrapulaPhD: @IAM_magazine @zoobab @schestowitz on the other hand, blindness is for free, no need to pay, I concede.Dec 03 10:00
schestowitzhttps://twitter.com/KrapulaPhD/status/672429286536716288Dec 03 10:00
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@KrapulaPhD: @IAM_magazine @zoobab @schestowitz epo management caring for Quality...give me a break. You either have no clue of epo or of Quality.Dec 03 10:00
schestowitzThe management is not even technically qualified to assess quality of patents; it's all bureaucracy and "Sales"Dec 03 10:01
schestowitzhttps://twitter.com/Cop21Direct/status/672429579290722304Dec 03 10:01
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@Cop21Direct: @schestowitz Bravo ! Découvrez et partagez la vidéo de l’emblème #COP21 en 3D que vous avez contribué à créer https://t.co/A3totuSTu7Dec 03 10:01
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights--> api.hobbynote.com | #COP21 Live Streaming - Création de l'objet !Dec 03 10:01
TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     Snapcraft 0.6 Ubuntu Snappy Creator Tool Is OutDec 03 10:02
TweetTuxMachines                 with Support for 32-bit Node.jsDec 03 10:02
TweetTuxMachines                 https://t.co/S9gWJox72I (news.softpedia.com)Dec 03 10:02
TweetTuxMachines........................................  http://twitter.com/tuxmachines/status/672417237345689601Dec 03 10:02
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-news.softpedia.com | Snapcraft 0.6 Ubuntu Snappy Creator Tool Is Out with Support for 32-Bit Node.jsDec 03 10:02
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TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     Solus Linux Operating System Drops LightDM forDec 03 10:11
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TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     2015: Best Android tablets for work and playDec 03 10:17
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schestowitzhttps://twitter.com/saveinventors/status/672431063583621120Dec 03 10:19
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@saveinventors: @schestowitz no. inventing does not require a lawyer. and, software is not math. Turing-Church. & you can't solve this tweet of any softwareDec 03 10:19
schestowitzlolDec 03 10:19
schestowitzwhat nonsenseDec 03 10:19
schestowitz"solve this tweet of any software"Dec 03 10:19
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-jwboyer.livejournal.com | Understanding the kernel release cycle - pointless pontifications of a back seat driverDec 03 10:35
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schestowitzhttps://twitter.com/morvjn/status/672449296852209664Dec 03 11:17
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@morvjn: @schestowitz Why not go directly to the source? @MaryamNamazieDec 03 11:17
schestowitzhttps://twitter.com/morvjn/status/672449500913516546Dec 03 11:17
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@morvjn: @schestowitz Oh, its in the Times too: https://t.co/7ImYkRUMS3Dec 03 11:17
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schestowitzOK, shorter headlineDec 03 11:18
schestowitzMy view of The Times (Murdoch) isn't much better by the way; government #propaganda and Islamophobic agendaDec 03 11:19
schestowitz> http://m.cacm.acm.org/magazines/2015/12/194639-i-cant-let-you-do-that-dave/fulltextDec 03 11:20
schestowitz> Dec 03 11:20
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-linux.softpedia.com | After Fedora 21, Now Chapeau 21 Linux Distribution Reaches End of LifeDec 03 11:22
schestowitzhttps://twitter.com/morvjn/status/672450888028549120Dec 03 11:28
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@morvjn: @schestowitz Fair enoughDec 03 11:28
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schestowitzhttps://twitter.com/morvjn/status/672462190235033604Dec 03 12:12
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@morvjn: @schestowitz Here is a non-murdoch paper: https://t.co/GRNndI2On2Dec 03 12:12
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MinceRhttp://www.johnandjohn.nl/write/cecinestpasmohammed.jpgDec 03 14:12
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cubexyzhttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Maes%E2%80%93Garreau_lawDec 03 15:43
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MinceRlolDec 03 15:45
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MinceRhttp://www.theregister.co.uk/2015/12/02/british_hacker_turns_raspberry_pi_zeros_into_selfie_slayers/Dec 03 17:24
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.theregister.co.uk | Brit hardware hacker turns Raspberry Pi Zeros into selfie slayers • The RegisterDec 03 17:24
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msb_Blocking people's communications.  Very nasty.  We have far too much of that already.  I hope there's a way of overcoming it.Dec 03 18:47
MinceRby blocking instagram, nothing of value is lostDec 03 18:49
cubexyznever used itDec 03 18:49
MinceRand before msb_ brings up his favorite botnet, the same applies to skype as wellDec 03 18:50
msb_MinceR: STOP LYING ABOUT ME!  I do not have a Dec 03 18:52
msb_MinceR: STOP LYING ABOUT ME!  I do not have a "favorite botnet".Dec 03 18:52
MinceRthen why do you advertise the one known as skype regularly?Dec 03 18:52
msb_MinceR: As to instagram, whatever that is, people have a right to access sites that you may not like.Dec 03 18:53
XRevan86msb_: Instagram is owned by Facebook, by the way.Dec 03 18:53
XRevan86MinceR: What?Dec 03 18:53
msb_So what?  If people want to use it, they should be allowed to.  Maybe they'll eventually use something better.Dec 03 18:54
MinceRmsb_: the vulnerability is not in the rpi0, by the wayDec 03 18:54
msb_MinceR: STOP LYING ABOUT ME!  I do not Dec 03 18:54
MinceRcould you please stop your script?Dec 03 18:55
msb_MinceR: STOP LYING ABOUT ME!  I do not "advertise" skype.  Occasionally I mention it for some purpose.Dec 03 18:55
msb_MinceR: It's not a script.  Stop lying about me.Dec 03 18:55
MinceRah, then you're failing the Turing test. got it.Dec 03 18:55
msb_MinceR: You lie about me very frequently.  That's why I tell you to stop in all caps,  So people will notice.Dec 03 18:59
MinceRdo you believe that if you repeat a lie in all caps often enough, people will believe it?Dec 03 19:00
msb_MinceR: I believe that if I tell the truth in all caps that it may embarass you enough that you will stop lying about me.Dec 03 19:01
MinceR005437 < MinceR> msb_: the vulnerability is not in the rpi0, by the wayDec 03 19:02
MinceR005453 < msb_> MinceR: STOP LYING ABOUT ME!  I do not Dec 03 19:02
MinceRplease tell the truth about that, thenDec 03 19:02
msb_1. you repeated your own post  2. I pressed Enter accidently because I'm sitting sideways.Dec 03 19:03
MinceRwhich post did i repeat?Dec 03 19:04
msb_the one about rpi0.  I was not responding to it.Dec 03 19:04
MinceRcan you show where i repeated it?Dec 03 19:05
msb_7 lines above this one,Dec 03 19:07
MinceRi was quoting to provide context for what i said afterwardsDec 03 19:07
MinceRthis should be obviousDec 03 19:07
MinceRhttp://i.imgur.com/ZPdkwW3.jpgDec 03 19:17
cubexyzthey already didDec 03 19:21
cubexyza big chunk of Mexico was annexedDec 03 19:21
MinceRtrump had nothing to do with that, thoughDec 03 19:22
cubexyzthat is true Dec 03 19:22
cubexyzdid he said Mexico should be annexed? Dec 03 19:22
MinceRi'm not aware of itDec 03 19:23
MinceRit's a reference to this: https://i.imgur.com/JdsjNSR.jpgDec 03 19:23
cubexyzahDec 03 19:24
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msb_Remember when Arab stuff used to be fun?  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pO_tXzeiZAQDec 03 19:49
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oiaohmcubexyz: http://www.newsmax.com/Headline/trump-invade-mexico-iran/2015/07/12/id/654637/ trump is a truly scary person with some of his ideas.Dec 03 20:41
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.newsmax.com | Trump: We Should Have Invaded Mexico, Not IraqDec 03 20:41
MinceR:)Dec 03 20:42
cubexyzinvade mexico why?Dec 03 20:43
cubexyzit doesn't seem to give any reasonDec 03 20:43
MinceRbecause he's either an idiot, pandering hard to idiots, or bothDec 03 20:44
MinceRi doubt many usians would really want a ground war in americaDec 03 20:44
oiaohmThere are a few kind of bad reasons to invaid mexico.   1 Mexico has a smaller land boader to its next country so if mexico could be successfully taken over in the long term USA could get some boarder patrol cost saving.Dec 03 20:48
oiaohm2 Large percent of stolen cars and other items get sold in Mexico even to the Mexico government.   Yes reduce where organised crime can sell their stolen goods.Dec 03 20:49
MinceRi wonder if those people really want to risk being killed by the mexican armyDec 03 20:49
MinceRalso, just because they take over mexico doesn't mean that organized crime will magically stopDec 03 20:49
oiaohmMinceR: I did not say it would stop organized crime.   Just reduce out let.   There is a serous issue with Mexico government at times buying confirmed stolen.Dec 03 20:51
oiaohmPlease note I said bad reasons.Dec 03 20:51
oiaohmNone of these reasons alone justify the loss in life using an armed force todo it.Dec 03 20:52
oiaohmThe issues with mexico would be better to attempt to form a better treaty other agreements.Dec 03 20:53
oiaohmMinceR: its not the Mexican army alone is the problem.   https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mexican_Drug_WarDec 03 20:55
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-en.wikipedia.org | Mexican Drug War - Wikipedia, the free encyclopediaDec 03 20:55
oiaohmAttempting to take over Mexico means getting mixed up in the Mexican Drug WarDec 03 20:56
MinceRicDec 03 20:56
oiaohmAlso USA by the CIA is partly resonsponable for the Mexican Drug War by setting up drug routes through Mexico tot he USA to raise funds.Dec 03 20:57
oiaohmSo someways USA MIL joining with the Mexican MIL to stop the Drug War should happen.Dec 03 20:59
oiaohmMy eyes Mexico problem is a case the USA governement should be toding treaties and resource sending.Dec 03 21:00
oiaohmtoding doing.Dec 03 21:00
oiaohmAlso with the stupid case of Mixician workers crossing the board all the time.   There come a point is it possible to stop something or is it just a waste of time.    Australia and NZ have a treaty that cits from either can work in the other with equal protections. Dec 03 21:03
oiaohmNow if mexican  workers were given the same treaty there would be no reason for them to take under paying USA jobs.Dec 03 21:03
MinceRi think many usians are relying on cheap mexican workforceDec 03 21:06
oiaohmMinceR: that is the problem would USA still function if it lost it cheap workforce.Dec 03 21:13
cubexyzisn't their minimum wage pretty low?Dec 03 21:14
MinceRsure, but the people profiting from that cheap workforce may have significant political influenceDec 03 21:14
oiaohmcubexyz: USA is 7.25 USD per hour and mexico is 5 USD a day.Dec 03 21:15
oiaohmSo one hour wage at minimun in the USA is equal to a full days work in mexico.Dec 03 21:15
cubexyzI bet the cost of living is less alsoDec 03 21:16
oiaohmcubexyz: basically there is low and there is low.Dec 03 21:16
cubexyzsureDec 03 21:16
oiaohmCost of living in mexico is low but the quality of living is also low.Dec 03 21:16
cubexyzcheck the big mac index...Dec 03 21:17
cubexyz$3.11 in mexicoDec 03 21:17
cubexyz$4.54 in CanadaDec 03 21:18
cubexyzok, not as big as a difference as I would have expectedDec 03 21:18
cubexyz$4.79 in U.S.Dec 03 21:18
cubexyzso it's lower, but wages are a _lot_ lowerDec 03 21:18
oiaohmYet there is something shocking about mexico.Dec 03 21:19
oiaohmhttp://qz.com/142544/the-worlds-fattest-major-country-consumes-an-astounding-amount-of-coca-cola-products/Dec 03 21:19
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-qz.com | The world’s fattest major country consumes an astounding amount of Coca-Cola products - QuartzDec 03 21:19
cubexyzwow, Venezuela a big mac is $0.67Dec 03 21:19
oiaohmYes mexico is the world fatest country.Dec 03 21:19
oiaohmUSA is number 2Dec 03 21:19
cubexyzis there a list handy?Dec 03 21:20
cubexyzok, now I would have expected Mexico's prices to be closer to Venezuela'sDec 03 21:20
oiaohmBut that 2008Dec 03 21:20
oiaohmYou have to remember Mexico population goes across the boarder and earns money in the USA a lot.Dec 03 21:21
cubexyzwhy is the U.S. so high? Probably too much fast foodDec 03 21:21
oiaohmMexico problem is coke cola.Dec 03 21:21
cubexyznearly 10% of mexico's population has diabetes!Dec 03 21:22
MinceRdon't they have coke light and coke zero?Dec 03 21:22
cubexyzI'm sure they do have thatDec 03 21:23
oiaohmMinceR: they only drink fully suggered.Dec 03 21:23
cubexyzbut it seems they are chugging the sugary drinks way too muchDec 03 21:23
oiaohmCoke Cola has provided the sign boards for towns, churches and so on.Dec 03 21:23
oiaohmThen embedded themselves into tradition culture as the default drink.Dec 03 21:24
oiaohmBasically mexico is Coke Cola stuffed.Dec 03 21:24
cubexyzoiaohm, I bet mexico has diet coke and coke light or whatever it's calledDec 03 21:25
cubexyzI wonder how much it costs to make a big mac Dec 03 21:26
oiaohmhttp://mexiconewsdaily.com/news/mexico-fourth-in-soft-drink-consumption/Dec 03 21:28
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-mexiconewsdaily.com | Mexico fourth in soft drink consumptionDec 03 21:28
oiaohmNote mexico is only the 4 in consuming softdrinks.   But has the worst medical problems.Dec 03 21:29
oiaohmThe issue in in Mexico items like diet coke/coke light in fact in many towns/citys is not on sale.Dec 03 21:29
oiaohmcubexyz: basically diet coke/coke light/coke zero on the market is something that reduced how leathal soft drinks are.Dec 03 21:31
oiaohmcubexyz: of course all the cultrual linking  advertisment coke cola in mexico used only linked fully sugered brand to the culture.Dec 03 21:32
oiaohmcubexyz: what countries big mac.   Please note they are different sizes.Dec 03 21:34
cubexyzthis one blog says the profit margin on big macs is about $25Dec 03 21:35
cubexyzoops... 25%Dec 03 21:35
cubexyzso it sells for $4 but costs about $3Dec 03 21:35
cubexyzI thought it would be higher than thatDec 03 21:35
oiaohmcubexyz: http://www.huffingtonpost.com/the-daily-meal/big-macs-around-the-world_b_3714396.htmlDec 03 21:37
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.huffingtonpost.com | Big Macs Around the World | The Daily MealDec 03 21:37
oiaohmthere is quite a bit of varation between countries Dec 03 21:37
oiaohmcubexyz: http://www.news.com.au/national/big-mac-not-really-as-australian-version-of-burger-downsized/story-e6frfkp9-1225734286785Dec 03 21:41
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.news.com.au | Big Mac? Not really, as Australian version of burger downsizedDec 03 21:41
oiaohmcubexyz: the Australian big mac is the size of the original big mac  it never grew in size like the USA one did.Dec 03 21:41
oiaohmcubexyz: basically the big mac index idea is highly flawed.Dec 03 21:42
oiaohm1 l of coke cola or something else fixed size would be better.Dec 03 21:42
cubexyzI sure don't remember big macs getting biggerDec 03 21:42
cubexyzit's smaller if anythingDec 03 21:43
oiaohm1971 big macs came to Australia.Dec 03 21:44
oiaohmAnd offically they have been the same size ever since then.   And in 1971 USA and Australian buggers were the same size.Dec 03 21:44
cubexyzyou'd need a time machine and a scale to be sureDec 03 21:45
oiaohmMcdolands has always had offical standards for bugger construction for staff training.Dec 03 21:45
oiaohmThis is why I said Offically.Dec 03 21:46
cubexyzMcDonalds Canada says they are the same size, but I don't really believe thatDec 03 21:46
cubexyzit's impossible to refuteDec 03 21:47
cubexyzyou could check 1970s McDonalds commercials and check the sizeDec 03 21:47
cubexyzthey probably made the buns smallerDec 03 21:48
cubexyzeverything has shrunk... cookies, wagon wheels, cans of tunaDec 03 21:49
oiaohmThe official size across a big mac in 1971 was 4 inch so 10 cm   Current day Australian  9.5 cm is half a cm under. Dec 03 21:50
cubexyzhttp://www.maxhost.org/other/smaller-big-macs.txtDec 03 21:50
oiaohmProblem here that is the 1980s.Dec 03 21:51
oiaohmIn the 1980 USA big macs increased in size.Dec 03 21:52
cubexyzthere's more anecdotal evidence as wellDec 03 21:52
oiaohmThen latter on they reduced.Dec 03 21:52
oiaohmBut they never returned to the orginal size.Dec 03 21:52
cubexyzQED, they are smaller :)Dec 03 21:53
oiaohmCurrent day CA and USA big macs are offically 5 inchs accross.  12 cm across aprox.   A the max USA buggers were 7 inch across. Dec 03 21:53
cubexyzit's a crappy deal anywaysDec 03 21:55
oiaohmFor price comparing between countries big mac index is completely flawed.Dec 03 21:56
oiaohmPlease note the half a cm under was caused in Australia by a miss reading of standard.   Australian makers took the 4 inch across size as the size of bugger wrapped.Dec 03 21:58
oiaohmSo serousally Australian big macs are truly exactly the same size including the error.Dec 03 21:58
MinceRwhy would someone assume that the size of a burger is given in the wrapped state?Dec 03 21:59
oiaohmMinceR: 1 the standard includes wrapping the bugger and 2 the standard did not state.    3 you want to be sure buggers go in racks.Dec 03 22:02
MinceRicDec 03 22:02
oiaohmOf course you don't put unwrapped buggers in racks.Dec 03 22:02
oiaohmAustralian logic took over basically MinceRDec 03 22:03
MinceR:)Dec 03 22:03
MinceRwhoppers are better :)Dec 03 22:03
oiaohmwonder if whoppers have fixed sizing between countries.Dec 03 22:04
oiaohmReally I prefer Australian conner store works buggers.Dec 03 22:05
MinceRi don't know thoseDec 03 22:06
oiaohmhttp://allrecipes.com/recipe/70869/aussie-works-burger/Dec 03 22:07
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-allrecipes.com | Aussie Works Burger Recipe - Allrecipes.comDec 03 22:07
oiaohmThat is the base recipeDec 03 22:08
oiaohmMinceR: each works bugger at each store is unique they tweek the recipe.Dec 03 22:10
oiaohm pub/ so on.Dec 03 22:10
oiaohmThey are truly a meal in a bun.Dec 03 22:11
MinceRwhy do they tweak the recipe? is it not good enough?Dec 03 22:12
msb_Big Macs are Mexicans!!!Dec 03 22:17
MinceRsoylent green is people?Dec 03 22:18
oiaohmMinceR:  some of it local supply like salad buns instead of normal bugger buns are used in places because local bakers produces those.Dec 03 22:19
MinceRicDec 03 22:20
oiaohmAlso note ground beef is common but roo and pork is not out of the question.Dec 03 22:20
MinceR:)Dec 03 22:20
MinceRwhat's roo likeDec 03 22:21
MinceR?Dec 03 22:21
oiaohmroo is a very light on fat meat.Dec 03 22:21
MinceRso, very leanDec 03 22:21
MinceRis it like beef?Dec 03 22:21
oiaohmOver cook you might as well eat your leather boots.Dec 03 22:21
oiaohmRoo has it own kind of taste.    Its stronger than beef or pork you really do know its roo if you know what roo tastes like.Dec 03 22:23
MinceR:)Dec 03 22:23
oiaohmWhen I say strong taste.   90 percent beef 10 percent roo.   You still taste the roo clear as day.Dec 03 22:23
oiaohm10 percent roo is almost enough to mask beef out of existance in taste.Dec 03 22:25
oiaohmMinceR: the biggest problem with roo is people not know how to cook and handle it right then complain it was tough.   Tough is over cooked.   Roo is one of the meats were mediam rare is cooked any more is over done.   If you are wanting well done Roo meat is mix it into rissoles or the like.Dec 03 22:37
MinceR:)Dec 03 22:37
MinceRcan you distinguish 100% roo from 90% beef+10% roo?Dec 03 22:37
oiaohmYes because 100% roo is a lot stronger.Dec 03 22:38
oiaohm10% roo with some other filler compared to 10% roo with beef have a hard time picking it.Dec 03 22:38
MinceRicDec 03 22:39
oiaohmBasically roo is the dominate taste.Dec 03 22:39
cubexyzI don't think I'd want to eat a kangarooDec 03 22:41
oiaohmcubexyz: its not a bad taste.Dec 03 22:41
oiaohmAustralian are one of the few that have the possiblety of eating the creatures in the coat of arms.Dec 03 22:42
oiaohmKangroo and emu are both cases of needing people who know how to cook them properly but handled correclty quite good eating.Dec 03 22:43
oiaohmschestowitz:  I guess you are out.  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Elliptic_curve_cryptography   I am not sure if the guy using patents against ECC is in fact the wrong thing when you remember security experts have raised serous questions if it secure or not.Dec 03 23:16
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-en.wikipedia.org | Elliptic curve cryptography - Wikipedia, the free encyclopediaDec 03 23:16
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msb_Wow, If you want to see a great movie --  Knowing (2009) - Nicolas Cage, dir. Alex Proyas. Joe-Bob Bilk says check it out!Dec 04 02:49
schestowitzoiaohm: thanksDec 04 02:51
schestowitzwell, I don't trust ECCDec 04 02:51
schestowitzand I know what you're saying...Dec 04 02:51
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schestowitzhttps://twitter.com/ACROPOLITESSE/status/672695403884752896Dec 04 03:49
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@ACROPOLITESSE: Très vrai ! https://t.co/DF9eLQRJH1Dec 04 03:49
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz: With Defend Trade Secrets Act Lobbying, Microsoft Shows That It Remains Incredibly Hypocritical, Evil, and Dangerous https://t.co/xYWF5dIVEmDec 04 03:49
schestowitz https://twitter.com/KrapulaPhD/status/672695737831006208Dec 04 03:49
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@KrapulaPhD: @VirusRai2 @Serv_Pubblico @LaGabbiaTw @TgLa7 @fattoquotidiano @ilfattoblog https://t.co/FUYwvk8HtHDec 04 03:49
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz: #epo staff protest in #munich at noon. Will work on articles in preparation. Hopefully close to 2,000 employees to protest...Dec 04 03:49
schestowitzEPO brain drains nowDec 04 03:50
schestowitz> Care to apply? ;-)Dec 04 03:50
schestowitz> Dec 04 03:50
schestowitz> I include PDFs for archival.Dec 04 03:50
schestowitz:-)Dec 04 03:50
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schestowitz> Just as a bit of complementary reference material from the public EPO site.Dec 04 04:02
schestowitz> Dec 04 04:02
schestowitz> Two separate openings for an investigator are advertised, one in theDec 04 04:02
schestowitz> Hague and the other in Munich:Dec 04 04:02
schestowitz> http://www.epo.org/about-us/jobs/vacancies/other.htmlDec 04 04:02
schestowitz> Dec 04 04:02
schestowitz> But both entries point to the same URL:Dec 04 04:02
schestowitz> http://www.epo.org/about-us/jobs/vacancies/other/int-ext-5918.htmlDec 04 04:02
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.epo.org | EPO - Jobs in other areasDec 04 04:02
schestowitz> Dec 04 04:02
schestowitz> I also include an opening for a personal assistant to Monsieur le Président:Dec 04 04:02
schestowitzCompare PDFs of job ads to the site ads at a later stage for differences, esp. after staff scrutiny. Let's see if they try to hide something... silently.Dec 04 04:02
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.epo.org | EPO - Investigator (Investigative Unit) (INT/EXT/5918)Dec 04 04:02
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schestowitzhttp://ipkitten.blogspot.co.uk/2015/12/keeping-pace-with-european-patent-office.html?showComment=1449185873759Dec 04 04:47
schestowitz"    Rule 2 EPC is irrelevant since PACE is not a provision of the EPC. Hence, the EPO is free to determine the circumstances in which it will be implemented."Dec 04 04:47
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-ipkitten.blogspot.co.uk | The IPKat: Keeping PACE with the European Patent OfficeDec 04 04:47
schestowitz"    Dear Anon, I understand the logic of that view, but Rule 2 is quite general; moreover, a Decision of the President WAS required to exclude PACE requests from the inspectable file - if the logic "PACE is not governed by the EPC" applied, then this would not have been necessary. PACE itself is not a provision of the EPC, but what it relates to are proceedings before the EPO. So Merpel does not see Rule 2 as being irrelevant."Dec 04 04:47
schestowitz"Dec 04 04:47
schestowitz    Would be nice if that form were available in Epoline and CMS. Or better, just provide a check box in the software and add the request to the auto-generated form."Dec 04 04:48
schestowitz"Dec 04 04:48
schestowitzthe reason why a Decision of the President was necessary to make PACE confidential is unrelated to the legal status of the PACE program but rather comes from the fact that the default position under the EPC is that everything related to an application goes into the public file, unless explicitly excluded - Art. 128(4) EPC. So, to exclude PACE from file inspection the President had to take a decision under Rule 144 EPC to make this happen.Dec 04 04:48
schestowitzThe argument related to the online form and Rule 2 EPC has more merit but it fits with the mentality "substance over form" which rules these days. Anyone feeling like filing a PACE request on a paper form for the express purpose of obtaining a decision open to appeal and then seeing what the Legal Board of Appeal has to say on the matter? I didn't think so.Dec 04 04:48
schestowitzFinally, the trips to Japan were mainly made by managers of the EPO. Examiners, insofar they were involved, were generally accompanied by and specifically instructed to give this sort of advice by their managers.Dec 04 04:48
schestowitzThe reasons why these trips were made is that some big Japanese companies have all but stopped filing at the EPO and are going national while others are threatening to do the same (I leave it to the readers to decide whether a public institution of Europe should care at all about these threats, except by taking into account objectively the criticism on which they are based). Historically, one of the complaints about the EPO from Japanese Dec 04 04:48
schestowitzapplicants is that the office is slow, and the new scheme of Early Certainty from Search (ECfS) is going to make Japanese applicants particularly unhappy if they don't learn to make use of PACE. On the other hand, clever use of PACE would probably increase their satisfaction with the EPO.Dec 04 04:48
schestowitzI know that some representatives were told about the virtues of PACE in a number of events even before the trips to Japan took place, so I don't think the office was purposefully trying to keep patent attorneys in the dark. In any case, from the representatives' point of view, the best solution would probably be a comprehensive publication of the algorithms used under ECfS to rank files in the examiners' dockets so that they can better Dec 04 04:48
schestowitzappreciate the effects of PACE and figure out by themselves what is the best strategy for their clients.Dec 04 04:48
schestowitz"Dec 04 04:48
schestowitz"Dec 04 04:49
schestowitzAmicus CuriaeDec 04 04:49
schestowitzThis may be an attempt to win back some reputation, following the queue jumping blog about Microsoft et al., see here: http://ipkitten.blogspot.de/2015/10/epo-queue-jumping-part-1-dont-be-sme.htmlDec 04 04:49
schestowitzThe reader may note that the EPO is applying thumbscrews now to the applicants, e.g. only electronic, only after examining division is competent, etc.Dec 04 04:49
schestowitzThe result of the PACE request depends on the workload of the examiner, cf. EPO notice A.6 "Accelerated prosecution under the PACE programme can be provided only where practically feasible and subject to the workload of search and examining divisions."Dec 04 04:49
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-ipkitten.blogspot.de | The IPKat: EPO queue jumping part 1 - Don't be an SMEDec 04 04:49
schestowitzOne might ask the question why the EPO is not able or not willing to commit to a clear deadline, like 4 or 6 months for the next communication. The applications in question could be prioritized. If the workload is too high, the PACE request should simply be refused. That, of course, could trigger an appeal to a Legal Board. Very likely not what the EPO wants.Dec 04 04:49
schestowitzJapanese applicants (others as well) have several times expressed their concerns about various changes. Well known examples are the time limit on divisionals (now reversed) and on amendments/arguments when entering the EP phase of a PCT application which had been handled by the EPO (now reversed, too). These changes and their reversals were not well received.Dec 04 04:49
schestowitzIt seems that the EPO has elevated efficiency and effectiveness to its core values. Quality of the regulations, legal certainty, concrete applicability, stability of the process and user-friendliness have apparently become secondary issues. Dec 04 04:49
schestowitz"Dec 04 04:49
schestowitzhttps://twitter.com/KrapulaPhD/status/672729953113391104Dec 04 06:21
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@KrapulaPhD: @ilfattoblog @fattoquotidiano @reportrai3 @altreconomia @byoblu @teuthorn @LaGabbiaTw https://t.co/ZehbK4NUaFDec 04 06:21
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz: #munich protest in support of #suepo to take place in one hour in front of #epo building, by EPO staff. Will a >majority< of staff attend?Dec 04 06:21
schestowitzhttps://twitter.com/Metztli_IT/status/672734778219565056Dec 04 06:21
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@Metztli_IT: "The superwealthy buy great public relations and adulation for donations that minimize their taxes." cc:@schestowitz https://t.co/6ImahNXFVhDec 04 06:21
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@ggreenwald: "You may have heard" Mark Zuckerberg donated $45 billion to charity, "but that was wrong." https://t.co/VXEtrKzHzNDec 04 06:21
schestowitzMight the article be ready today? There's a staff protest (thousands attending) right at this moment; it started 10 minutes ago in Munich.Dec 04 06:43
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schestowitzhttps://twitter.com/KrapulaPhD/status/672779721017552897Dec 04 09:13
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@KrapulaPhD: @schestowitz Oh but come on they're only protecting their staff and their families by all means necessary.Dec 04 09:13
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schestowitzhttps://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/672786827430993920Dec 04 10:36
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz: The Media is Already Flooded With #EPO Propaganda, Some Likely Paid for With €73,000-Per-Month 'Special' New Budget https://t.co/S016B8mDwGDec 04 10:36
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MinceRhttps://www.reddit.com/comments/3grpdf/Dec 04 10:39
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schestowitzhttp://ipkitten.blogspot.co.uk/2015/12/keeping-pace-with-european-patent-office.html?showComment=1449226527453#c244765527474947364Dec 04 11:10
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-ipkitten.blogspot.co.uk | The IPKat: Keeping PACE with the European Patent OfficeDec 04 11:10
schestowitz"Dec 04 11:10
schestowitzMeldrew on your point about EPO management monitoring telephone traffic at the desks of Examiners, is this a factor contributing to the inclination many EPO Examiners have, of not taking calls from EPO attorneys.Dec 04 11:10
schestowitzUnintended consequences? EPO management wants cases early through to issue but intimidates its Examiners so much that such speed and efficiency is frustrated?Dec 04 11:10
schestowitzWhen it is my case, I want EPO Examiners available on the phone. But when it is the other fellow's case, I don't. Why? There is nothing more frustrating than to follow a case that in written proceedings reaches an impasse. Then there is a phone call to the Examiner and the case is allowed. Why, we have no idea from the public part of the EPO file.Dec 04 11:10
schestowitzAs to putting cases on the PACE program, persons outside Europe perhaps don't appreciate that a 3rd Party can trigger it just as effectively as the Applicant, simply by filing (in the name of a European patent attorney) a reasoned observation on patentability. The observing attorney has no need to reveal for whom he or she is acting. Dec 04 11:10
schestowitz"Dec 04 11:10
schestowitzSurveillanceDec 04 11:10
schestowitzin EPODec 04 11:10
schestowitzhttps://twitter.com/iridesce57/status/672828586982809600Dec 04 12:35
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@iridesce57: When you stop maintaining or developing software because "there's no money in it" you're pulling an Oracle (OOo). https://t.co/UmSQ4lz6eLDec 04 12:35
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz: When you stop maintaining or developing software because "there's no money in it" you're pulling an Oracle (OOo). Come on, #mozilla ...Dec 04 12:35
schestowitzhttps://twitter.com/Y_Eurosceptics/status/671406282151215105Dec 04 12:45
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@Y_Eurosceptics: Any supporter of democracy must #VoteLeave https://t.co/o4UBTxrD7TDec 04 12:45
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@Y_Eurosceptics: Any supporter of democracy must #VoteLeave https://t.co/o4UBTxrD7TDec 04 12:45
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schestowitzhttps://joindiaspora.com/posts/6887144Dec 04 16:00
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: #microsoft is such an incompetent company with such horrible software that it's cannot even keep #email server online http://www.theinquirer.net/inquirer/news/2437650/exchange-email-down-across-europe-as-office-365-stuttersDec 04 16:00
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schestowitz"Maybe the CGHQ was crawling emails too hard."Dec 04 16:01
schestowitzNo need to crawl, Microsoft passes it wholesale via PRISM programmeDec 04 16:01
cubexyzhttp://www.maxhost.org/other/windows-for-the-lulz.gifDec 04 16:17
schestowitzfor giggledDec 04 16:20
schestowitz*gigglesDec 04 16:21
schestowitzhttps://twitter.com/zoobab/status/672892677327835136Dec 04 16:39
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@zoobab: @schestowitz 404 error.Dec 04 16:39
schestowitzmaybe they also need to hire a new sysadmin then...Dec 04 16:39
schestowitzcontext: https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/672892296204038145Dec 04 16:39
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz: Sounds like brain drain https://t.co/2cSY4pSx8o as we have been hearing for a while... #epo https://t.co/5igRqKZpIIDec 04 16:39
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@EPOorg: Do you know an engineer or scientist interested in joining an international team at the forefront of technology? https://t.co/dOJC0KMHFlDec 04 16:39
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights--> techrights.org | Amid EPO Exodus/Brain Drain, Two Options: ‘Gestapo’ Staff and Assistant to Battistelli Have Quit or Battistelli’s Praetorian Guard is Expanding | TechrightsDec 04 16:39
schestowitzhttps://twitter.com/Brainiarc7/status/672892851366305792Dec 04 16:39
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@Brainiarc7: @schestowitz probably DDoS? Had problems loading it a while back.Dec 04 16:39
schestowitzyesDec 04 16:39
schestowitzhttps://twitter.com/iridesce57/status/672892866365153280Dec 04 16:40
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@iridesce57: @schestowitz Hmmm .. wonder who ??? #epoDec 04 16:40
schestowitzhttp://suepo.org/public/newsDec 04 16:43
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schestowitzyes, I read about it in Planet debianDec 04 16:43
schestowitzhttps://twitter.com/glynmoody/status/672898405165883393Dec 04 17:04
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@glynmoody: interesting analysis, but more data points needed... #ukip https://t.co/SHVQvSZggUDec 04 17:04
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz: #Oldham may be the end for #UKIP https://t.co/cKnvKckbBWDec 04 17:04
schestowitzhttp://ipkitten.blogspot.co.uk/2015/12/boards-of-appeal-tell-ac-we-were-never.html?showComment=1449263531096Dec 04 17:27
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-ipkitten.blogspot.co.uk | The IPKat: Boards of Appeal tell AC: we were never consultedDec 04 17:27
schestowitz"    The Boards of Appeal must finally recognise that they too belong to the "cheptel humain" of the Great Énarque !"Dec 04 17:27
schestowitzhttp://techrights.org/2015/12/03/attacks-on-staff-representatives/Dec 04 17:27
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | French Member of Parliament Reacts to EPO Management Amidst Ongoing Attacks on Staff Representatives and Facts-free Information War | TechrightsDec 04 17:27
schestowitzhttps://twitter.com/Wikinaut/status/672909366811615233Dec 04 17:45
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@Wikinaut: @schestowitz be prepared for a long nightDec 04 17:45
schestowitzmail coming?Dec 04 17:45
schestowitzhttps://twitter.com/Twpalovi/status/672910464955899904Dec 04 17:52
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@Twpalovi: @schestowitz Fabricated evidence? Is there,er, evidence?Dec 04 17:52
schestowitzSecret evidence, a la USDOJ...Dec 04 17:52
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MinceRhttp://asset-2.soupcdn.com/asset/14103/3076_2491.jpegDec 04 18:28
schestowitzmehDec 04 18:35
schestowitzIt's those attacks on free speech protestsDec 04 18:35
schestowitzI saw this photoDec 04 18:35
schestowitzMostly GOP incitation against themDec 04 18:35
schestowitzSorry, I mean "Conservative sites"Dec 04 18:35
XFaCEschestowitz: what protests are your referring to specifically?Dec 04 18:42
schestowitz!google yale free speech protestDec 04 18:45
TechrightsBot-tr[1] - Yale University -- Students Try to Shut Down Free-Speech Event ... | http://www.nationalreview.com/yale-free-speech-protest-ironicDec 04 18:45
TechrightsBot-tr[2] - Yale students protest forum on free speech - The Washington Post | https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/volokh-conspiracy/wp/2015/11/10/yale-students-protest-forum-on-free-speech/Dec 04 18:45
TechrightsBot-tr[3] - Why a Free Speech Fight is Causing Protests at Yale | TIME | http://time.com/4106265/yale-students-protest/Dec 04 18:45
TechrightsBot-tr[4] - Yale Students Interrupt and Protest Free Speech Panel, Spit - Mediaite | http://www.mediaite.com/online/yale-students-interrupt-and-protest-free-speech-panel-allegedly-spit-on-attendees/Dec 04 18:45
schestowitzand another redbrick university, can't recall whichDec 04 18:46
XFaCEschestowitz: did you see Thunderf00t's video on it?Dec 04 18:46
XFaCE[18:35:26]<schestowitz> Mostly GOP incitation against themDec 04 18:47
XFaCE[18:35:31]<schestowitz> Sorry, I mean "Conservative sites"Dec 04 18:47
XFaCEschestowitz: seems more like the super PC people responsibleDec 04 18:47
XFaCESJWs, et al.Dec 04 18:47
XFaCEschestowitz: MinceR found a new term for them - crybulliesDec 04 18:47
MinceRto be fair, a political cartoonist came up with that termDec 04 18:48
MinceRiircDec 04 18:48
XFaCEMinceR: that's why I said found, not created :)Dec 04 18:48
XFaCEor coinedDec 04 18:48
XFaCEor authoredDec 04 18:49
XFaCEetc.Dec 04 18:49
MinceR:)Dec 04 18:49
schestowitzhttps://twitter.com/JamieXML/status/672925502550732801Dec 04 18:50
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@JamieXML: It turns out you CAN buy a state supreme court for cash. Legally, at least under current US campaign finance law. https://t.co/b9LBAaR3AeDec 04 18:50
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz: In "Extraordinary" Move, WI Supreme Court Fires Scott Walker Prosecutor to Stave-Off #SCOTUS Review https://t.co/okFJ7YavfKDec 04 18:50
schestowitzXFaCE: a two-way issue AFAIKDec 04 18:50
schestowitzfirst, denying prof's right to speechDec 04 18:50
schestowitzbut then, denying the protesters' rights to free speechDec 04 18:51
schestowitzlet them fight if off, attacking each other, don't deny their privilege to assemble and protestDec 04 18:51
schestowitzThat's my viewDec 04 18:51
schestowitzconfrontation, while nonviolent, is OKDec 04 18:51
XFaCEschestowitz: the problem is this is the same student SJW crowd that breeds the Sarah Sharpes of the worldDec 04 18:52
schestowitzhttps://joindiaspora.com/posts/6888624Dec 04 18:52
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: #newscorp agenda: "Interesting isn’t it that they didn’t publish it before the parliamentary debate on Syria?" https://www.craigmurray.org.uk/archives/2015/12/murdoch-trails-behind-murray/ #syriaDec 04 18:52
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights--> www.craigmurray.org.uk | Craig Murray » Blog Archive » Murdoch Trails Behind MurrayDec 04 18:52
schestowitzXFaCE: so be itDec 04 18:52
schestowitzit's fun to ridicule themDec 04 18:52
XFaCEand they are the 40% that want free speech effectively removedDec 04 18:52
cubexyz"Children are often taught computer skills that are really Microsoft Windows skills how to use Microsoft?s operating system and its Office suite (its two monopolies) ? rather than the possibilities of making computers do what you want."Dec 04 18:52
schestowitzSharp got her arse handed to herDec 04 18:52
XFaCEthrough "offensive" speech lawsDec 04 18:52
XFaCEschestowitz: this timeDec 04 18:53
cubexyzthat's schools for youDec 04 18:53
schestowitzyeahDec 04 18:53
XFaCEschestowitz: I've heard a good youtuber once explain that the politically strategy is about slowly taking groundDec 04 18:53
schestowitzcorporate training centreDec 04 18:53
schestowitzbefore mom and pop pick you up from 'school'Dec 04 18:53
XFaCE*politically correctDec 04 18:53
schestowitzson, what did you learn today?Dec 04 18:53
XFaCEwomen's studiesDec 04 18:53
schestowitzI got some training and cerf for Microsoft{TM} Office{R}Dec 04 18:54
schestowitzNow I'm ready for the RealWorld{tm}, maDec 04 18:54
XFaCEto write essays in social justice classesDec 04 18:54
cubexyzschool might even be retarding thoughtDec 04 18:54
schestowitzsocial justice is an OK termDec 04 18:54
schestowitzbut got a bad connotationDec 04 18:54
schestowitzlike anti-slaveryDec 04 18:55
schestowitzpositive distrminatiion is another thingDec 04 18:55
XFaCEquotas etc.Dec 04 18:55
schestowitzuse of inferiority in past to asset you MUST get an ADVANTAGEDec 04 18:55
MinceRand it's associated with a crowd of fascistsDec 04 18:55
schestowitzin job recruitment etc.Dec 04 18:55
MinceRwho want to destroy freedom of speechDec 04 18:55
schestowitzasset>assertDec 04 18:55
XFaCEMinceR: Seeing this Microsoft skills thing, it reminds me of IA's vid on youtubeDec 04 18:55
schestowitzMinceR: na, f* themDec 04 18:55
schestowitzYou know I say what I wantDec 04 18:56
XFaCESJWs - useful idiots for regressive corporations and governmentsDec 04 18:56
schestowitzwe need to have thicker skinsDec 04 18:56
XFaCEyesDec 04 18:56
XFaCEand they don'tDec 04 18:56
schestowitzSharp uses rhe F* word sparinglyDec 04 18:56
MinceRyes, and we need to stand up to crybullies and the UNDec 04 18:56
XFaCEthey want to be coddledDec 04 18:56
schestowitzshe just wanted attention, she's not thin-skinnedDec 04 18:56
XFaCEschestowitz: remember that two SJWs went to the UN to preach censorshipDec 04 18:56
schestowitzSee what a fellow female dev said about herDec 04 18:56
MinceRiirc she used it more than the people she whined at for using itDec 04 18:56
schestowitzshe also bullies her husbandDec 04 18:56
XFaCEMinceR: Projection, thy is a SJWDec 04 18:57
schestowitzXFaCE: fine then, send them to Saudi ArabiaDec 04 18:57
schestowitzand then they can lecture them on 'social justice'Dec 04 18:57
schestowitz!google women threat beheading leaving husband saudiDec 04 18:57
TechrightsBot-tr[1] - Saudi granted asylum in UK as rich family threatened to behead her ... | http://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/623911/Saudi-granted-asylum-UK-rich-family-threatened-behead-leaving-husbandDec 04 18:57
TechrightsBot-tr[2] - drivers who taunted distressed woman on M3 bridge - Daily Express | http://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/588898/Police-condemn-M3-drivers-taunted-distressed-woman-bridgeDec 04 18:57
TechrightsBot-tr[3] - Man Who Filmed Woman's Public Beheading in Saudi Arabia ... | https://news.vice.com/article/man-who-filmed-womans-public-beheading-in-saudi-arabia-reportedly-arrestedDec 04 18:57
TechrightsBot-tr[4] - Saudi Arabian woman beheaded for murdering daughter in leaked ... | http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2916583/Step-mother-screams-innocence-beheaded-murdering-sexually-abusing-six-year-old-daughter-leaked-footage-outraged-Saudi-Arabia.htmlDec 04 18:57
schestowitz!google un human rights saudiDec 04 18:57
TechrightsBot-tr[1] - Why one of the world's worst human rights offenders is leading a UN ... | https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/wonk/wp/2015/09/28/why-one-of-the-worlds-worst-human-rights-offenders-is-leading-a-un-human-rights-panel/Dec 04 18:57
TechrightsBot-tr[2] - This is what happens when you make Saudi Arabia a leader - Quartz | http://qz.com/515466/this-is-what-happens-when-you-make-saudi-arabia-a-leader-of-the-un-human-rights-council/Dec 04 18:57
TechrightsBot-tr[3] - Wikileaks Exposes Secret Deal To Get Saudi Arabia On UN Human ... | http://www.mintpressnews.com/wikileaks-exposes-secret-deal-to-get-saudi-arabia-on-un-human-rights-council/210117/Dec 04 18:57
TechrightsBot-tr[4] - Why Is Saudi Arabia Heading a UN Human Rights Council Panel ... | http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2015/09/22/why-is-saudi-arabia-heading-the-u-n-human-rights-council.htmlDec 04 18:57
XFaCEschestowitz: an example of the useful idiots thing I mentionedDec 04 18:58
schestowitzSA the opposite of PC and SWJDec 04 18:58
schestowitzSJWDec 04 18:58
schestowitzSo UN would also base this assessment on blasphemyDec 04 18:58
schestowitzXFaCE: I watched like over 100 videos of thunderf00tDec 04 18:59
schestowitzand he used to make some about religion and Atheism+Dec 04 18:59
schestowitzWhich was the feminists piggybacking AtheistDec 04 18:59
schestowitzThe "+" is feminismDec 04 18:59
XFaCEyeaDec 04 18:59
schestowitzBut I haven't watched youtube regularly for yearsDec 04 18:59
XFaCEamong other thingsDec 04 18:59
XFaCEahDec 04 18:59
XFaCEschestowitz: SJWs are injecting "privilege" concepts and pushes it on that "morality" front into Common Core, and Bill Gates supports common core through moneyDec 04 18:59
schestowitzNot even TJDec 04 18:59
XFaCEhence "useful idiots"Dec 04 19:00
schestowitzNot sure if this really ties into Evil Gates' planDec 04 19:00
schestowitzNot it's Zuckerberg doing this same ployDec 04 19:00
schestowitzwith his wifeDec 04 19:00
XFaCEschestowitz: well it adds another marketing factorDec 04 19:00
schestowitzand photo-opsDec 04 19:00
schestowitzwith a babyDec 04 19:00
schestowitzcopycat Operation Gates... reputation launderingDec 04 19:00
schestowitz!google zuckerberg tax evaderDec 04 19:01
TechrightsBot-tr[1] - Facebook Unfriends Uncle Sam: Mark Zuckerberg's Plan To Avoid ... | http://thinkprogress.org/economy/2012/05/15/484452/facebook-zuckerberg-avoid-taxes/Dec 04 19:01
TechrightsBot-tr[2] - Assessing Mark Zuckerberg's Non-Charity Charity - The Atlantic | http://www.theatlantic.com/business/archive/2015/12/assessing-mark-zuckerbergs-non-charity-charity/418719/Dec 04 19:01
TechrightsBot-tr[3] - Opinion: Zuckerberg never has to pay taxes again - CNN.com | http://www.cnn.com/2013/04/09/opinion/mccaffery-zuckerberg-taxes/Dec 04 19:01
TechrightsBot-tr[4] - Obama's Tax Evaders of the Year by Michelle Malkin on Creators ... | http://www.creators.com/opinion/michelle-malkin/obama-s-tax-evaders-of-the-year.htmlDec 04 19:01
XFaCEschestowitz: SJWs supporting censorship laws helps governments push draconian surveillance laws and corporations to push corporatization of the internet and "intellectual property" legislationDec 04 19:01
schestowitznot all feminists are like thatDec 04 19:01
XFaCEbecause SJWs butter the concept up as the "moral" thing to doDec 04 19:01
schestowitzbefriend the sane onesDec 04 19:01
XFaCEwell sureDec 04 19:02
schestowitzthey'll get all bitchy on the extremist opportunists who use "feminism" to promote social controlDec 04 19:02
schestowitzand the "I'm feeling offended" typeDec 04 19:02
schestowitzA lot of female activists do marginalise the extremists among themDec 04 19:02
schestowitzLike guys do.... to misogynists Dec 04 19:02
schestowitzI do come across some a-holes like thatDec 04 19:03
schestowitzthe other week a guy at the gym started making jokes about how he was s**gging some girlDec 04 19:03
schestowitzAnd I thought, WTF....Dec 04 19:03
schestowitzLike some grease monkeyDec 04 19:03
schestowitzthese people do existDec 04 19:03
cubexyzsounds like high school mentalityDec 04 19:04
schestowitzand they need to be discouraged, even if by ignoringDec 04 19:04
schestowitzcubexyz: yeahDec 04 19:04
schestowitzbut he's in his 30s I thinkDec 04 19:04
schestowitzand I think the girl was a prostituteDec 04 19:04
schestowitzhttp://ipkitten.blogspot.co.uk/2015/12/boards-of-appeal-tell-ac-we-were-never.html?showComment=1449271352984Dec 04 19:10
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-ipkitten.blogspot.co.uk | The IPKat: Boards of Appeal tell AC: we were never consultedDec 04 19:10
schestowitz"Dec 04 19:10
schestowitz The PRAESIDIUM of the Boards of Appeal have written to the Delegates of the Administrative CouncilDec 04 19:10
schestowitzI remember that the EPO has reminded all staff that only the Office has the prerogative to speak to/contact the Administrative Council;Dec 04 19:10
schestowitzwill the members of the Praesidium now be subjected to sessions with the Investigating Unit and susequent diciplinary proceedings ? Dec 04 19:10
schestowitz"Dec 04 19:10
cubexyzI'm looking for ttylinux 6.1 if anyone comes across itDec 04 19:12
cubexyzttylinux seems to have disappeared Dec 04 19:26
schestowitznot heard of it for years...Dec 04 19:32
schestowitzwhat does distrowatch say about its status?Dec 04 19:32
cubexyzit's not even on distrowatchDec 04 19:37
cubexyzor rather it is mentioned, but there's no info on itDec 04 19:38
cubexyzthere's a section called "Small and Floppy-based Linux Distributions"Dec 04 19:39
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msb_I think that instead of using political jargon terms like "SJWs", or "crybullies", etc., it's much better to describe the particular actions of people that you're objecting to.  The political jargon terms, if the reader/listener even knows what you mean by them, can mean vastly different things to different people.Dec 04 21:38
msb_The fundamental law of communication is that messages are formulated -- converted to symbols --  in the context of the writer/speaker, and interpreted -- decoded -- in the context of the reader/listener.Dec 04 21:42
msb_If the two contexts -- mind contents / associations -- significantly differ, then the message received will be very different from the one sent.Dec 04 21:44
msb_Thus the communication will be unsuccessful.Dec 04 21:44
msb_XFaCE: are you reading this?Dec 04 21:45
msb_If you're talking to people who believe as you do, then the communication can be successful, but all you're doing is making each other feel good -- reinforcing what you already believe.Dec 04 21:46
msb_If you want to get information across to people who _don't_ believe exactly as you do, i.e., don't believe in "SJWs" and "crybullies", then you have to speak in more familiar, widely accepted concepts.Dec 04 21:48
msb_Apparently "SJW" is sometimes used to refer to people who oppose computer games in which virtual women can be tortured or murdered.  And sometimes "SJW" is used to refer to people who are greatly offended by Linux Torvalds' brusque dismissal of poor code.  Dec 04 21:58
msb_To my mind, the first is reasonable and the second is ridiculous, or even a purposeful attack against Linux.Dec 04 21:59
msb_So it's necessary to be specific, and not mix together unrelated things.Dec 04 21:59
msb_...by employing concepts that mean different things to different people, and which thus result in unsuccessful communication.Dec 04 22:01
cubexyzI remember I had an argument about what a "PC" wasDec 04 22:05
cubexyzI argued it was a generic term for a 'personal computer'Dec 04 22:05
cubexyzthis other person was adamant that it only referred to an IBM PCDec 04 22:06
cubexyzsilly right?Dec 04 22:06
cubexyzI added that there were PCs before the IBM PCDec 04 22:06
cubexyzto no availDec 04 22:07
cubexyzI even had proof:Dec 04 22:12
cubexyzhttp://www.maxhost.org/other/pet-2001-personal-computer.jpgDec 04 22:12
oiaohmcubexyz: you picked the wrong one to really win normally.   Apple II  is normally the killer.Dec 04 22:13
cubexyzthis ad had the words "personal computer" on it :)Dec 04 22:14
oiaohmcubexyz: so did Apple II adds.Dec 04 22:14
oiaohmBut the Apple II has current day decendantes.Dec 04 22:14
cubexyzthat merely adds more weight to my argument :)Dec 04 22:14
oiaohmThe killer question is please explain how Apple computers are not PC.Dec 04 22:15
cubexyzit was a dumb argumentDec 04 22:16
cubexyzhttp://www.maxhost.org/other/apple-ii-personal-computer.jpgDec 04 22:18
cubexyzhis argument was "words change meaning over time" and that once the IBM PC was released PC changed meaning to "IBM PC"Dec 04 22:20
cubexyzhence the Mac Vs PC adsDec 04 22:21
cubexyzof course now IBM doesn't even make "PCs" nowDec 04 22:22
cubexyzand finally Macs use intel processors....Dec 04 22:23
cubexyzan Apple II would not be considered "PC compatible"Dec 04 22:27
cubexyzso there's wiggle roomDec 04 22:27
oiaohmcubexyz: no there is not wiggle roomDec 04 22:58
oiaohmhttps://www.apple.com/au/pr/library/2003/06/23Apple-Unleashes-the-Worlds-Fastest-Personal-Computer-the-Power-Mac-G5.htmlDec 04 22:58
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.apple.com | Apple (Australia) - Apple Press Info - Apple Unleashes the World’s Fastest Personal Computer—the Power Mac G5Dec 04 22:58
oiaohmcubexyz: notice this is a 2003 add powerpc based and it a personal computer and its apple.Dec 04 22:58
oiaohmcubexyz: and its not IBM PC compadible at all.Dec 04 22:58
oiaohmcubexyz: as I said you followed the wrong line to win.Dec 04 22:59
cubexyzright, I could have argued it in many waysDec 04 23:02
cubexyzthere were a lot of z80 based PCsDec 04 23:02
oiaohmcubexyz: Apple comes forwards to current day.Dec 04 23:03
oiaohmSo the arguement that the term changed over time goes flat on face.Dec 04 23:03
oiaohmThe correct answer is PC has been used as a slang term for IBM PC compadible but its absoltuely meaning Personal Computer has never changed and PC does not have to refer to IBM PC compadible designed even in current day.Dec 04 23:04
cubexyzthere were over 200K TRS-80 z80 based "PCs"Dec 04 23:06
oiaohmcubexyz: http://www.pcworld.com/article/2886260/raspberry-pi-2-review-the-revolutionary-35-micro-pc-supercharged.htmlDec 04 23:06
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.pcworld.com | Raspberry Pi 2 review: The revolutionary $35 micro-PC, supercharged | PCWorldDec 04 23:06
oiaohmcubexyz: I know you love history but the arguement over term PC will not be won by using history.Dec 04 23:07
oiaohmcubexyz: Current day example items ruin the PC for x86 arguement.Dec 04 23:07
cubexyzwell I agree with you that PC != IBM PC, to my mind it's a much broader termDec 04 23:07
oiaohmAnd the media with the likes of the raspberry pi use it as a much broader term.Dec 04 23:08
oiaohmBasically next time someone raises that arguement remember the raspberry pi example and apple examples those prove the broader term usage.Dec 04 23:09
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schestowitzhttps://twitter.com/KrapulaPhD/status/673130068097507329Dec 05 08:25
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@KrapulaPhD: @redazioneiene @ilfattoblog @fattoquotidiano @reportrai3 @LaGabbiaTw @teuthorn @Serv_Pubblico @altreconomia https://t.co/977jbrgnd0Dec 05 08:25
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz: Useful fact: the #epo spends, on average, €2444 >per day< on reputation laundering alone. Think what they can do with such budget. #europeDec 05 08:25
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schestowitzhttps://twitter.com/Zeipt/status/673152629418127361Dec 05 10:04
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@Zeipt: Отличная замена Офису мелкомягких. Теперь можно развернуть в собственном облаке OwnCloud и работать по сети. https://t.co/xGOksm9IVXDec 05 10:04
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz: Introducing the #LibreOffice Online App for #ownCloud https://t.co/fCNfV6GtoP #odfDec 05 10:04
schestowitzcan't read it...Dec 05 10:04
schestowitzhttps://twitter.com/lynxbat/status/673156248984883200Dec 05 10:10
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@lynxbat: @schestowitz Say what? Did you look at the code + license?Dec 05 10:10
schestowitzDoes it work with all rival architectures?Dec 05 10:12
schestowitzhttps://twitter.com/lynxbat/status/673158169070186496Dec 05 10:13
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@lynxbat: @schestowitz Do you know how golang works?Dec 05 10:13
schestowitzcompiled, statically typed, so I wonder if it'll mostly help sell closed Intel hardware with the "open-source" (with dash) promiseDec 05 10:15
schestowitzhttps://twitter.com/lynxbat/status/673158837147295745 https://twitter.com/lynxbat/status/673159154224074756   https://twitter.com/lynxbat/status/673159283823915008   https://twitter.com/lynxbat/status/673159393001668609  https://twitter.com/lynxbat/status/673159486975029248Dec 05 10:27
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@lynxbat: @schestowitz No, not the way the syntax works. The cross arch compile.Dec 05 10:27
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@lynxbat: @schestowitz You got an agenda. Totally understand. But you have no understanding of what we released. And should avoid labels unless you doDec 05 10:27
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@lynxbat: @schestowitz The snap framework has no hard Intel dependency. Golang cross compiles.Dec 05 10:27
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@lynxbat: @schestowitz He do have Intel specific plugins for snap that are optional. No lock in.Dec 05 10:27
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@lynxbat: @schestowitz It is licensed as Apache 2.0.Dec 05 10:27
schestowitzThanks for the infoDec 05 10:27
schestowitzhttps://twitter.com/lynxbat/status/673162533461618688Dec 05 10:35
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@lynxbat: @schestowitz https://t.co/75jAYiA5FZDec 05 10:35
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schestowitzhttps://joindiaspora.com/posts/6888328Dec 05 10:50
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@linux@joindiaspora.com: Arch Linux on your Android phone http://www.unixmen.com/arch-linux-android-phone/ removing the malware....Dec 05 10:50
schestowitz"Dec 05 10:50
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights--> www.unixmen.com | Arch Linux on your Android phone | UnixmenDec 05 10:50
schestowitz    Stop seems like you are using ad-blockerDec 05 10:50
schestowitzOkay, so. I understand sites need to fund themselves with ads. But blocking people who use adblock is not the right way to do that. Ask (like many sites do), instead of block.Dec 05 10:50
schestowitzOtherwise my reaction is: “right, whatever, see ya!”Dec 05 10:50
schestowitz"Dec 05 10:50
schestowitzindeed.Dec 05 10:50
schestowitzhttps://joindiaspora.com/posts/6878568Dec 05 11:02
schestowitz"That seriously sucks, the only remaining GUI option for encryption would be evolution which is hopelessly buggy - also challenging for beginners as you have to understand a bit more about keys and be able to generate and manage them yourself and it has no Win client. GNOME is also having financial problems - it’s all a bit worrying."Dec 05 11:02
schestowitz"It amazes me how the email client has been abandoned by almost everyone."Dec 05 11:02
schestowitzWhich client?Dec 05 11:02
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Not a Diaspora post?Dec 05 11:02
schestowitzhttps://joindiaspora.com/posts/6864502Dec 05 11:17
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: In one month from now #suse agreement with #microsoft expires. What will happen then? Remember #novell deal? What a shame that was...Dec 05 11:17
schestowitz"Dec 05 11:17
schestowitzSwapnil Bhartiya’s has been promoting Suse a lot lately. Just the other day, he said, “openSUSE Leap is indeed a huge leap, allowing users to run a distro that has the same DNA of SUSE Linux Enterprise. Like any other operating system, some work is needed to get it set up for optimal use.” https://plus.google.com/u/0/+SwapnilBhartiya/posts/MtDtSPqUY8qDec 05 11:17
schestowitzSUSE Linux Enterprise DNA? What is that, something that fell out of Ballmer’s shorts?Dec 05 11:17
schestowitz"Dec 05 11:17
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-plus.google.com | openSUSE Leap is indeed a huge leap, allowing users to run a distro that has…Dec 05 11:17
schestowitzyes, I noticed this bias... it's not exactly new from himDec 05 11:17
schestowitz> older:Dec 05 12:21
schestowitz> Dec 05 12:21
schestowitz> "but will also have Redmond's proprietary cryptology interfaces ratherDec 05 12:21
schestowitz> than standard open-source implementations of the Secure Sockets Layer"Dec 05 12:21
schestowitz> Dec 05 12:21
schestowitz> http://www.techrepublic.com/article/ssh-getting-a-security-tune-up-from-nist-and-ietf/Dec 05 12:21
schestowitz> Dec 05 12:21
schestowitz> ==Dec 05 12:21
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.techrepublic.com | SSH getting a security tune-up from NIST and IETF - TechRepublicDec 05 12:21
schestowitz> Dec 05 12:22
schestowitz> "Official documentation submitted by Indonesia to the UN climate talksDec 05 12:22
schestowitz> in Paris this week dramatically underestimates deforestation andDec 05 12:22
schestowitz> emissions in the archipelagoDec 05 12:22
schestowitz> ...The emissions from annual wildfires over the 1990-2012 baselineDec 05 12:22
schestowitz> period have also been left off the accounts"Dec 05 12:22
schestowitz> Dec 05 12:22
schestowitz> http://news.mongabay.com/2015/12/is-indonesia-underreporting-its-emissions-at-cop21/Dec 05 12:22
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-news.mongabay.com | Is Indonesia underreporting its emissions at COP21?Dec 05 12:22
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schestowitz> http://www.theinquirer.net/inquirer/news/2437431/mark-zuckerberg-is-sexually-active-happy-and-relatively-charitableDec 05 12:43
schestowitz> Dec 05 12:43
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.theinquirer.net | Mark Zuckerberg clears up tax backlash after $45bn benevolence bashing- The InquirerDec 05 12:43
schestowitz> -Dec 05 12:43
schestowitz> Dec 05 12:43
schestowitz> http://www.telegraph.co.uk/technology/people-in-technology/12031569/Why-are-technology-billionaires-the-most-generous.htmlDec 05 12:43
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.telegraph.co.uk | Why are technology billionaires the most generous? - TelegraphDec 05 12:43
schestowitz> Dec 05 12:44
schestowitz> Generous or just gaming the system?Dec 05 12:44
schestowitzServes to show who corporate media is serving...Dec 05 12:44
schestowitzthankfully, more people start to understand this ployDec 05 12:44
schestowitzhttp://techrights.org/wiki/index.php/Gates_Foundation_CritiqueDec 05 12:44
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Gates Foundation Critique - TechrightsDec 05 12:44
schestowitzhttps://twitter.com/kstallett/status/673205397335973888Dec 05 13:25
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@kstallett: @schestowitz I recently sold macbook. Too many CL apps were broken by El Capitan.Tpad I bought for £100 just as fast & pretty with apricityDec 05 13:25
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cubexyzI don't mind some adsDec 05 15:57
cubexyzI run ads myself... my only rule is no Microsoft adsDec 05 15:58
cubexyzalso no gambling or betting adsDec 05 15:59
schestowitznaa.Dec 05 16:07
schestowitzthere are video adsDec 05 16:07
schestowitzand they spy on youDec 05 16:07
schestowitzit's more than scope that's the issueDec 05 16:08
cubexyzturning off autoplay should deal with the video adsDec 05 16:15
cubexyzgoogle does check users for non-compliance with their policiesDec 05 16:17
cubexyzI guess the alternative to running ads is a donate buttonDec 05 16:20
cubexyz