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TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     https://twitter.com/tuxmachines/status/876310831482494976Jun 18 01:33
TweetTuxMachines                 Debian 9 "Stretch" released  https://t.co/PP0mS9kNnfJun 18 01:33
TweetTuxMachines                 (www.tuxmachines.org) #debian #gnu #linux #stretchJun 18 01:33
TweetTuxMachines                 #freedomJun 18 01:33
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Debian 9 "Stretch" released | Tux MachinesJun 18 01:33
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TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     https://twitter.com/tuxmachines/status/876311860433354752Jun 18 01:33
TweetTuxMachines                 #Chakra #GNU #Linux Users Get #KDE #Plasma 5.10.2 DesktopJun 18 01:33
TweetTuxMachines                 Built Against Qt 5.9 https://t.co/hkjVuw3k7mJun 18 01:33
TweetTuxMachines                 (www.tuxmachines.org)Jun 18 01:33
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Chakra GNU/Linux Users Get KDE Plasma 5.10.2 Desktop Built Against Qt 5.9 | Tux MachinesJun 18 01:33
*TweetTuxMachines @schestowitz retweeted @tuxmachines: 'Debian 9 "Stretch" released https://t.co/PP0mS9kNnf #debian #gnu...'Jun 18 01:34
*TweetTuxMachines @schestowitz retweeted @tuxmachines: '#Chakra #GNU #Linux Users Get #KDE #Plasma 5.10.2...'Jun 18 01:36
TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     https://twitter.com/tuxmachines/status/876312677873840128Jun 18 01:37
TweetTuxMachines                 Android Leftovers https://t.co/E8iliavkD6Jun 18 01:37
TweetTuxMachines                 (www.tuxmachines.org) #android #google #india #nokiaJun 18 01:37
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Android Leftovers | Tux MachinesJun 18 01:37
*TweetTuxMachines @schestowitz retweeted @tuxmachines: 'Android Leftovers https://t.co/E8iliavkD6 #android #google #india #nokia'Jun 18 01:39
TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     https://twitter.com/tuxmachines/status/876313273246912512Jun 18 01:39
TweetTuxMachines                 Linux 4.11.6Jun 18 01:39
TweetTuxMachines                 Linux 4.9.33Jun 18 01:39
TweetTuxMachines                 #Linux 4.4.73Jun 18 01:39
TweetTuxMachines                 https://t.co/PdULIqUlz5 (www.tuxmachines.org) #kernelJun 18 01:39
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Linux 4.11.6 | Tux MachinesJun 18 01:39
*TweetTuxMachines @schestowitz retweeted @tuxmachines: 'Linux 4.11.6 Linux 4.9.33 #Linux 4.4.73 https://t.co/PdULIqUlz5 #kernel...'Jun 18 01:42
TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     https://twitter.com/tuxmachines/status/876314160883273728Jun 18 01:43
TweetTuxMachines                 #OpenSUSE #Tumbleweed Is Now Built With PIEJun 18 01:43
TweetTuxMachines                 https://t.co/6R4tHtXLkE (www.tuxmachines.org) #gnu #linuxJun 18 01:43
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | OpenSUSE Tumbleweed Is Now Built With PIE | Tux MachinesJun 18 01:43
*TweetTuxMachines @schestowitz retweeted @tuxmachines: '#OpenSUSE #Tumbleweed Is Now Built With PIE https://t.co/6R4tHtXLkE...'Jun 18 01:44
TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     https://twitter.com/tuxmachines/status/876314617676529664Jun 18 01:45
TweetTuxMachines                 Plasma secrets – Tips and tricks for the KDE desktopJun 18 01:45
TweetTuxMachines                 https://t.co/k4I1bpIRS4 (www.tuxmachines.org) #plasmaJun 18 01:45
TweetTuxMachines                 #kde #gnu #linuxJun 18 01:45
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Plasma secrets – Tips and tricks for the KDE desktop | Tux MachinesJun 18 01:45
*TweetTuxMachines @schestowitz retweeted @tuxmachines: 'Plasma secrets – Tips and tricks for the...'Jun 18 01:46
*TweetTuxMachines @Pros_P33 retweeted @tuxmachines: 'Plasma secrets – Tips and tricks for the...'Jun 18 01:47
*TweetTuxMachines @Pros_P33 retweeted @tuxmachines: '#OpenSUSE #Tumbleweed Is Now Built With PIE https://t.co/6R4tHtXLkE...'Jun 18 01:47
*TweetTuxMachines @Pros_P33 retweeted @tuxmachines: 'Linux 4.11.6 Linux 4.9.33 #Linux 4.4.73 https://t.co/PdULIqUlz5 #kernel...'Jun 18 01:48
*TweetTuxMachines @owlbelief retweeted @tuxmachines: 'Linux 4.11.6 Linux 4.9.33 #Linux 4.4.73 https://t.co/PdULIqUlz5 #kernel...'Jun 18 01:48
*TweetTuxMachines @owlbelief retweeted @tuxmachines: 'Android Leftovers https://t.co/E8iliavkD6 #android #google #india #nokia'Jun 18 01:48
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Android Leftovers | Tux MachinesJun 18 01:48
*TweetTuxMachines @owlbelief retweeted @tuxmachines: '#Chakra #GNU #Linux Users Get #KDE #Plasma 5.10.2...'Jun 18 01:50
*TweetTuxMachines @myflywheel retweeted @tuxmachines: '#OpenSUSE #Tumbleweed Is Now Built With PIE https://t.co/6R4tHtXLkE...'Jun 18 01:50
*TweetTuxMachines @myflywheel favourited '#OpenSUSE #Tumbleweed Is Now Built With PIE https://t.co/6R4tHtXLkE...'Jun 18 01:50
*TweetTuxMachines @myflywheel retweeted @tuxmachines: 'Plasma secrets – Tips and tricks for the...'Jun 18 01:50
*TweetTuxMachines @myflywheel favourited 'Plasma secrets – Tips and tricks for the...'Jun 18 01:52
*TweetTuxMachines @victorRuivoBR favourited 'Debian 9 "Stretch" released https://t.co/PP0mS9kNnf #debian #gnu...'Jun 18 01:52
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Debian 9 "Stretch" released | Tux MachinesJun 18 01:52
*TweetTuxMachines @victorRuivoBR favourited '#Chakra #GNU #Linux Users Get #KDE #Plasma 5.10.2...'Jun 18 01:52
*TweetTuxMachines @bestariwebhost retweeted @tuxmachines: 'Plasma secrets – Tips and tricks for the...'Jun 18 02:00
*TweetTuxMachines @softpedialinux favourited '#Chakra #GNU #Linux Users Get #KDE #Plasma 5.10.2...'Jun 18 02:02
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*TweetTuxMachines @MariusNestor favourited '#Chakra #GNU #Linux Users Get #KDE #Plasma 5.10.2...'Jun 18 02:30
TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     https://twitter.com/cybershellsec/status/876326169985118208Jun 18 02:36
TweetTuxMachines retweeted by    Linux 4.11.6Jun 18 02:36
TweetTuxMachines @cybershellsec  Linux 4.9.33Jun 18 02:36
TweetTuxMachines                 #Linux 4.4.73Jun 18 02:36
TweetTuxMachines                 https://t.co/PdULIqUlz5 (www.tuxmachines.org) #kernelJun 18 02:36
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Linux 4.11.6 | Tux MachinesJun 18 02:36
TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     https://twitter.com/tuxmachines/status/876327636460589056Jun 18 02:36
TweetTuxMachines                 #Openwashing and Parasites https://t.co/AvuTKTrGgsJun 18 02:36
TweetTuxMachines                 (www.tuxmachines.org) #microsoft #blackduck #whitesourceJun 18 02:36
TweetTuxMachines                 #facebook #CloudFoundryJun 18 02:36
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Openwashing and Parasites | Tux MachinesJun 18 02:36
*TweetTuxMachines @schestowitz retweeted @tuxmachines: '#Openwashing and Parasites https://t.co/AvuTKTrGgs #microsoft #blackduck #whitesource #facebook...'Jun 18 02:53
*TweetTuxMachines @gmmik3 favourited 'Linux 4.11.6 Linux 4.9.33 #Linux 4.4.73 https://t.co/PdULIqUlz5 #kernel...'Jun 18 03:23
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TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     https://twitter.com/tuxmachines/status/876343062712209408Jun 18 03:41
TweetTuxMachines                 #AIMS Desktop 2017.1 is available!Jun 18 03:41
TweetTuxMachines                 https://t.co/7QX34UCYNB (www.tuxmachines.org)Jun 18 03:41
TweetTuxMachines                 #debian #gnu #linux #ubuntuJun 18 03:41
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | AIMS Desktop 2017.1 is available! | Tux MachinesJun 18 03:41
TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     https://twitter.com/tuxmachines/status/876344041935441920Jun 18 03:42
TweetTuxMachines                 'Open Source' #3DPrinter and Open Source Digital CinemaJun 18 03:42
TweetTuxMachines                 https://t.co/xCDy511kbr (www.tuxmachines.org)Jun 18 03:42
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | 'Open Source' 3D Printer and Open Source Digital Cinema | Tux MachinesJun 18 03:42
TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     https://twitter.com/tuxmachines/status/876344221397131265Jun 18 03:44
TweetTuxMachines                 #Canonical and #Ubuntu News  https://t.co/kaXAcAFuIvJun 18 03:44
TweetTuxMachines                 (www.tuxmachines.org) #gnu #linuxJun 18 03:44
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Canonical and Ubuntu News | Tux MachinesJun 18 03:44
*TweetTuxMachines @Build3dprinter retweeted @tuxmachines: ''Open Source' #3DPrinter and Open Source Digital Cinema...'Jun 18 03:44
*TweetTuxMachines @schestowitz retweeted @tuxmachines: '#Canonical and #Ubuntu News https://t.co/kaXAcAFuIv #gnu #linux'Jun 18 03:44
*TweetTuxMachines @schestowitz retweeted @tuxmachines: ''Open Source' #3DPrinter and Open Source Digital Cinema...'Jun 18 03:45
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*TweetTuxMachines @schestowitz retweeted @tuxmachines: '#AIMS Desktop 2017.1 is available! https://t.co/7QX34UCYNB #debian...'Jun 18 03:47
*TweetTuxMachines @Pros_P33 retweeted @tuxmachines: '#Canonical and #Ubuntu News https://t.co/kaXAcAFuIv #gnu #linux'Jun 18 03:47
schestowitzhttps://micahflee.com/2013/01/why-im-leaving-ubuntu-for-debian/Jun 18 03:48
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-micahflee.com | Why I’m Leaving Ubuntu for Debian | Micah Lee's BlogJun 18 03:48
schestowitzoldJun 18 03:48
TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     https://twitter.com/Pros_P33/status/876345542997049345Jun 18 04:00
TweetTuxMachines retweeted by    #AIMS Desktop 2017.1 is available!Jun 18 04:00
TweetTuxMachines @Pros_P33       https://t.co/7QX34UCYNB (www.tuxmachines.org)Jun 18 04:00
TweetTuxMachines                 #debian #gnu #linux #ubuntuJun 18 04:00
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schestowitzmsb in reddit: https://www.reddit.com/r/linux/comments/6f3xby/microsofts_war_against_linux/Jun 18 04:00
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.reddit.com | Microsoft's war against Linux : linuxJun 18 04:00
schestowitzhttps://www.reddit.com/r/linux/comments/6g7uyl/intel_amt_vulnerable_for_data_stealing_linux_may/Jun 18 04:01
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.reddit.com | Intel AMT vulnerable for data stealing. Linux may be targeted as well. (Another) good time for AMD open sourcing its PSP? : linux [ http://ur1.ca/r0mva ]Jun 18 04:01
schestowitzthey deleted DaemonFC's https://www.reddit.com/r/linux/comments/6exb6e/lenovo_locking_linux_out_of_at_least_a_couple_of/Jun 18 04:08
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.reddit.com | Lenovo locking Linux out of at least a couple of laptops again. : linux [ http://ur1.ca/qy9x8 ]Jun 18 04:08
oiaohmhttps://techbeacon.com/software-security-liability-coming-are-your-engineers-ready  this is a interesting read.Jun 18 04:21
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Security liability is coming for software: Is your engineering team ready? | TechBeaconJun 18 04:21
*TweetTuxMachines @tuxmachines favourited '@jeremycorbyn @Peston Let's see the media try to...'Jun 18 04:26
*TweetTuxMachines @tuxmachines favourited retweet 'RT @schestowitz: @jeremycorbyn @Peston Let's see the media...'Jun 18 04:27
TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     https://twitter.com/tuxmachines/status/876355608672428032Jun 18 04:27
TweetTuxMachines                 Events: Open Source Summit North America 2017, #QtConJun 18 04:27
TweetTuxMachines                 #Brasil 2017, #Randa Meetings 2017, and #GUADEC 2017Jun 18 04:27
TweetTuxMachines                 https://t.co/5O2bv1568e (www.tuxmachines.org)Jun 18 04:27
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Events: Open Source Summit North America 2017, QtCon Brasil 2017, Randa Meetings 2017, and GUADEC 2017 | Tux MachinesJun 18 04:28
*TweetTuxMachines @schestowitz retweeted @tuxmachines: 'Events: Open Source Summit North America 2017, #QtCon...'Jun 18 04:31
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TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     https://twitter.com/cybershellsec/status/876356573798555648Jun 18 04:36
TweetTuxMachines retweeted by    #Canonical and #Ubuntu News  https://t.co/kaXAcAFuIvJun 18 04:36
TweetTuxMachines @cybershellsec  (www.tuxmachines.org) #gnu #linuxJun 18 04:36
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Canonical and Ubuntu News | Tux MachinesJun 18 04:36
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*TweetTuxMachines @eusebiofg retweeted @tuxmachines: '#Canonical and #Ubuntu News https://t.co/kaXAcAFuIv #gnu #linux'Jun 18 05:00
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*TweetTuxMachines @webmastersguard favourited '#Canonical and #Ubuntu News https://t.co/kaXAcAFuIv #gnu #linux'Jun 18 05:17
*TweetTuxMachines @tuxmachines favourited '@wikileaks The Police Officer Who Killed Philando Castile...'Jun 18 05:17
*TweetTuxMachines @tuxmachines favourited retweet 'RT @schestowitz: @wikileaks The Police Officer Who Killed...'Jun 18 05:43
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*TweetTuxMachines @AugustoRuibal favourited '#TeXLive 2017 released https://t.co/kZD4PeJgAA #tex #latex #gnu #linux...'Jun 18 05:51
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | TeX Live 2017 released | Tux MachinesJun 18 05:51
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TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     https://twitter.com/Ashygoyal/status/876376884153548800Jun 18 06:15
TweetTuxMachines retweeted by    Plasma secrets – Tips and tricks for the KDE desktopJun 18 06:15
TweetTuxMachines @Ashygoyal      https://t.co/k4I1bpIRS4 (www.tuxmachines.org) #plasmaJun 18 06:15
TweetTuxMachines                 #kde #gnu #linuxJun 18 06:15
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Plasma secrets – Tips and tricks for the KDE desktop | Tux MachinesJun 18 06:15
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*TweetTuxMachines @topnotifier favourited '#Tizen News: #ARTIK, #TizenRT, and New Software https://t.co/WuCBL0lBTa...'Jun 18 06:27
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Tizen News: ARTIK, Tizen RT, and New Software | Tux MachinesJun 18 06:27
*TweetTuxMachines @tuxmachines favourited '@jeremycorbyn @Peston People want Jeremy. Time to appoint...'Jun 18 06:37
*TweetTuxMachines @tuxmachines favourited retweet 'RT @schestowitz: @jeremycorbyn @Peston People want Jeremy. Time...'Jun 18 06:41
*TweetTuxMachines @tuxmachines favourited '@realDonaldTrump That's utter nonsense. How many work part...'Jun 18 06:41
*TweetTuxMachines @tuxmachines favourited retweet 'RT @schestowitz: @realDonaldTrump That's utter nonsense. How many...'Jun 18 06:51
*TweetTuxMachines @tuxmachines favourited retweet 'RT @schestowitz: @realDonaldTrump Regulations are not a bad...'Jun 18 06:51
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*TweetTuxMachines @tuxmachines favourited '@realDonaldTrump Regulations are not a bad thing. See...'Jun 18 07:26
schestowitzhttps://www.reddit.com/r/linux/comments/6c9ko5/i_found_a_penguin_in_microsoft_customer_support/Jun 18 07:40
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.reddit.com | I found a penguin in Microsoft Customer support! : linuxJun 18 07:40
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MinceRhttp://www.joeydevilla.com/wordpress/wp-content/uploads/2008/08/king-henrys-foot.jpgJun 18 08:46
schestowitzniceJun 18 08:47
MinceRhttp://i.imgur.com/kxDH3v4.jpgJun 18 08:48
XRevan86schestowitz: I keep wondering: how popular are imperial units in Britain?Jun 18 08:49
schestowitzhttps://www.reddit.com/r/linux/comments/6fpm8y/linus_his_take_on_microsoft_earlier_days_what_is/Jun 18 08:50
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.reddit.com | Linus & his take on Microsoft. Earlier days. What is he saying here?? : linuxJun 18 08:50
schestowitzXRevan86: not like in the USJun 18 08:50
schestowitzwith the EU we moved to metric for almost everythingJun 18 08:50
XRevan86schestowitz: What about the common folk?Jun 18 08:51
MinceRhttps://img-9gag-fun.9cache.com/photo/azq7AqN_700b.jpg   (sauce: https://9gag.com/gag/azq7AqN )Jun 18 08:51
schestowitzMinceR: that's what she said?Jun 18 08:51
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Slavic architecture - 9GAGJun 18 08:51
XRevan86> with the EUJun 18 08:51
XRevan86Recent thing then?Jun 18 08:51
MinceRyesJun 18 08:51
schestowitzXRevan86: about 17 years agoJun 18 08:52
XRevan86MinceR: This reminded me of some bad dreams I am sometimes having.Jun 18 08:52
MinceR:>Jun 18 08:52
XRevan86schestowitz: So I guess regular people still use imperial units inertedly.Jun 18 08:53
schestowitzI thought it was an optical illusion at firstJun 18 08:53
schestowitzXRevan86: older peopleJun 18 08:53
schestowitzstones and pounds for bodyweightJun 18 08:54
XRevan86> That's what you do if you're connecting two buildings with different floor levels. It's probably thatJun 18 08:56
XRevan86Interesting, didn't know that.Jun 18 08:56
MinceRit could be done betterJun 18 08:56
MinceRyou could just bring the steps to the right below that door's floor level up to that floor levelJun 18 08:57
MinceRXRevan86: actually i think i've encountered something like this in a dream, but that wasn't a nightmareJun 18 08:57
XRevan86> amaterasuaboy: As a child I always had nightmares about stairs like thisJun 18 08:58
XRevan86Yeah, not a nightmare for me too, just some confusing stuff.Jun 18 08:58
XRevan86> you could just bring the steps to the right below that door's floor level up to that floor levelJun 18 09:00
XRevan86I guess the door is the new thing here.Jun 18 09:00
MinceRthe stairs don't make sense thoughJun 18 09:00
XRevan86and they changed the left stairs but kept the right ones for some reasonJun 18 09:01
MinceRit's pointless to walk down just so you can walk back upJun 18 09:01
MinceRin fact, there isn't even enough room for the landing in the deep cornerJun 18 09:01
XRevan86Anyway, this could be avoided.Jun 18 09:03
XRevan86> Well, it has its ups and downsJun 18 09:04
XRevan86MinceR: Maybe that dream thing shows we're slightly claustrophobic :)Jun 18 09:07
XRevan86or maybe it's just confusing for a dream state to have stairs go in different directionsJun 18 09:08
XRevan86horizontallyJun 18 09:09
XRevan86so when one remembers about that while dreaming, it gets weirded outJun 18 09:10
MinceRi found it weird while dreamingJun 18 09:11
MinceRbut i proceeded :>Jun 18 09:12
XRevan86schestowitz: I guess the only hope for US to change the unit system is for it to join EU :)Jun 18 09:12
MinceRlolJun 18 09:12
MinceRyeah, that will happenJun 18 09:12
oiaohmSome of the biggest mess in USA history with Nasa and mil has been mixing up the to unit systems.Jun 18 09:12
XRevan86MinceR: Mine usually involve climbing through holes between staircases of different levelsJun 18 09:13
MinceR:)Jun 18 09:13
oiaohmhttp://edition.cnn.com/TECH/space/9909/30/mars.metric.02/Jun 18 09:13
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-edition.cnn.com | CNN - Metric mishap caused loss of NASA orbiter - September 30, 1999 [ http://ur1.ca/r0oeq ]Jun 18 09:14
oiaohmThey are kind of classical stuff ups.Jun 18 09:14
oiaohmOne contractor uses metric one uses imperial and result is failure.Jun 18 09:14
*XRevan86 waits for a -up when somebody confuses a day with a month :)Jun 18 09:14
XRevan8605/01/17Jun 18 09:14
XRevan86May first 2017? January fifth 2017?Jun 18 09:15
oiaohmYep its like war has to end on like the 1/1 2/2 3/3 .... so that everyone stops fighting at the same time.Jun 18 09:15
XRevan86Or maybe January seventeenth 2005Jun 18 09:15
XRevan86A Japanese would write it like that :)Jun 18 09:16
oiaohmI though reversed was 4 digit year.Jun 18 09:16
XRevan86Though yes, rather 2005/01/17Jun 18 09:16
XRevan86maybe a rogue Japanese :)Jun 18 09:16
oiaohmO my http://support.sas.com/documentation/cdl/en/leforinforref/64790/HTML/default/viewer.htm#n18uyqeusnl0fxn1d9pvhm49j4za.htmJun 18 09:17
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-support.sas.com | SAS(R) 9.4 Formats and Informats: Reference [ http://ur1.ca/r0ofm ]Jun 18 09:18
oiaohmYes yymmdd is valid.Jun 18 09:18
XRevan86oiaohm: :DJun 18 09:18
XRevan86Everybody should just use 2017-01-05, I'm positive about that.Jun 18 09:22
oiaohmhttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Date_format_by_country  there is a nightmare on that go down to KazakhstanJun 18 09:23
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-en.wikipedia.org | Date format by country - Wikipedia [ http://ur1.ca/qzhvs ]Jun 18 09:23
XRevan86Tested on locals who never saw it before in their lives: they never had any confusion at all.Jun 18 09:23
oiaohmto be insane Kazakhstan support  yyyy dd mmJun 18 09:23
oiaohmNothing like the human race making it hard to know what day a person is referencing.Jun 18 09:23
XRevan86> (yyyy.dd.mm) in KazakhJun 18 09:23
XRevan86oiaohm: Well, dots is not good here I agree.Jun 18 09:24
XRevan86oiaohm: But here's a secret about Kazakhstan: Kazakh is a minority language there.Jun 18 09:24
oiaohmThat would be sad going to war to unify global date systems.Jun 18 09:25
MinceRhttp://i.imgur.com/ATmdjYk.pngJun 18 09:25
oiaohmWe have had wars over all kinds of stupidity so I would not put that past the human race.Jun 18 09:25
XRevan86Kazakh is going to get even more obscure soon too.Jun 18 09:25
XRevan86The eternal president of Kazakhstan decided they should change the alphabet of the language.Jun 18 09:26
MinceRlolJun 18 09:26
MinceRanother eternal president?Jun 18 09:26
XRevan86MinceR: YepJun 18 09:26
XRevan86MinceR: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nursultan_NazarbayevJun 18 09:27
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-en.wikipedia.org | Nursultan Nazarbayev - Wikipedia [ http://ur1.ca/r0ohs ]Jun 18 09:27
MinceRah, not official yetJun 18 09:27
XRevan86> He has been the country's leader since 1989, when he was named First Secretary of the Communist Party of the Kazakh SSR, and was elected the nation's first president following its independence from the Soviet Union in December 1991. He holds the title 'Leader of the Nation'. In April 2015, Nazarbayev was re-elected with almost 98% of the vote.Jun 18 09:27
MinceR(and not dead yet, so north korea is the only necrocracy for now)Jun 18 09:27
XRevan86MinceR: Ah, no, it's not his real status :)Jun 18 09:27
XRevan86not de-jure, I meanJun 18 09:28
XRevan86He's like LukashenkoJun 18 09:28
XRevan86only 5 years coolerJun 18 09:28
MinceR>Nazarbayev espoused anti-religious views during the Soviet era;[60] he has now made an effort to highlight his Muslim heritage by performing the Hajj pilgrimage,[60] and supporting mosque renovations.[61]Jun 18 09:29
MinceRlolJun 18 09:29
MinceRjust like hungariansJun 18 09:29
XRevan86MinceR: Just like Russians.Jun 18 09:29
MinceRdoesn't matter whether "communist"/"socialist" symbolism or religious fundamentalist symbolism, they're always all for extreme authoritarianismJun 18 09:30
XRevan86MinceR: It's just careerismJun 18 09:30
XRevan86they go for what's hip at a timeJun 18 09:30
MinceRthey don't believe in anything except oppression and exploitationJun 18 09:31
XRevan86MinceR: That's besides symbolism though, isn't it?Jun 18 09:31
MinceRyesJun 18 09:32
XRevan86Anyway, Kazakhstan is pretty nice.Jun 18 09:33
MinceRhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dIV-QdPEx-QJun 18 09:34
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Kazakhstan You Very Nice Place - YouTube [ http://ur1.ca/r0oje ]Jun 18 09:34
XRevan86MinceR: I guess it's BoratJun 18 09:34
MinceRyesJun 18 09:34
XRevan86https://youtu.be/zqCIzzTAmxU :DJun 18 09:36
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Borat anthem plays at medal ceremony - YouTubeJun 18 09:36
XRevan86> unintentionalJun 18 09:37
XRevan86Yeah, they were totally fooled by Borat's anthem with English lyricsJun 18 09:38
schestowitzhahaJun 18 09:39
schestowitzclassicJun 18 09:39
MinceRhttp://i.imgur.com/91uXQmO.gifvJun 18 09:50
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-i.imgur.com | ClassicJun 18 09:50
XRevan86MinceR: What? o_0Jun 18 09:51
MinceRhttps://i.imgur.com/6E50Mju.jpgJun 18 09:51
XRevan86MinceR: This warrants a remake of Jesus Christ SuperstarJun 18 09:51
schestowitzhttps://www.reddit.com/r/linux/comments/6hci0f/linux_code_in_prey/Jun 18 09:53
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.reddit.com | Linux code in Prey? : linux [ http://ur1.ca/r0onk ]Jun 18 09:53
schestowitzMinceR: that was blunt..Jun 18 09:55
oiaohmhttp://phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=Flatpak-Steam-Flathub  this is interestingJun 18 09:56
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Steam Is Now Available In Flatpak Form - Phoronix [ http://ur1.ca/r0onz ]Jun 18 09:56
schestowitzgoodJun 18 09:57
MinceR>steam   >flatpakJun 18 10:00
MinceRhttps://i.imgur.com/dFZmJ6a.jpgJun 18 10:01
XRevan86MinceR: 404Jun 18 10:02
MinceR:(Jun 18 10:02
MinceRi guess someone posted something on imgur that vlad didn't likeJun 18 10:02
XRevan86MinceR: Which Vlad?Jun 18 10:03
MinceRthe khuiloJun 18 10:03
XRevan86MinceR: He has control over imgur?Jun 18 10:03
TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     https://twitter.com/tuxmachines/status/876440078016532480Jun 18 10:03
TweetTuxMachines                 Leftovers: Gaming https://t.co/0DTBcapG8CJun 18 10:03
TweetTuxMachines                 (www.tuxmachines.org) #steamso #steam #gnu #linux #gamesJun 18 10:03
MinceRhe has control over the Great Firewall of RussiaJun 18 10:03
TweetTuxMachines                 #gaming #gamepackJun 18 10:03
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Leftovers: Gaming | Tux MachinesJun 18 10:03
TweetTuxMachines Jun 18 10:03
schestowitzweirdJun 18 10:04
schestowitzXRevan86: the URL works hereJun 18 10:04
schestowitzmaybe Vlad doesn't like MinceR's gay-ish postsJun 18 10:04
XRevan86It's HTTPS so I doubt Vlad MitM'd it %)Jun 18 10:04
MinceRlolJun 18 10:04
schestowitzwhat's the point of it?Jun 18 10:04
XRevan86okay, it works in ChromiumJun 18 10:05
MinceRmaybe vlad has spies at the generally accepted root CAsJun 18 10:05
XRevan86Maybe imgur has a policy of not showing such content to Firefox users %)Jun 18 10:06
MinceR:)Jun 18 10:06
XRevan86https://forum.f-droid.org/t/600 :(Jun 18 10:11
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-forum.f-droid.org | So long, farewell and goodbye - F-Droid ForumJun 18 10:11
XRevan86Hmm, techrightsbot… http://localhost/Jun 18 10:12
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Techrights | People's rights in the digital age | Plutocracy threatened by freedom, democracy, privacy & civil rightsJun 18 10:12
XRevan86That's the thing with those title parsers.Jun 18 10:12
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MinceRlying to get people to adopt your shit: "MBR disks do not support more than four partitions on each disk."   https://technet.microsoft.com/en-us/library/cc725797%28v=ws.11%29.aspxJun 18 10:33
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-technet.microsoft.com | Change a GUID Partition Table Disk into a Master Boot Record Disk [ http://ur1.ca/r0ow3 ]Jun 18 10:33
MinceRjustmicrosoftthingsJun 18 10:33
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TweetTuxMachines                 Debian GNU/Hurd 2017 Released https://t.co/PREAtAoRN8Jun 18 10:43
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oiaohmMinceR: that statement is correct MBR it self only has slots for 4 partitions.Jun 18 10:49
MinceRoiaohm: i wonder what extended partitions are forJun 18 10:52
MinceRwhich they supported in their dos for agesJun 18 10:52
oiaohmMinceR: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Extended_boot_record  extended partitions are EBRJun 18 10:54
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-en.wikipedia.org | Extended boot record - Wikipedia [ http://ur1.ca/r0p0r ]Jun 18 10:54
MinceRand they are referred by the MBRJun 18 10:54
oiaohmMinceR: lvm or EBR or some other break up system could be reference by the MBR to get extra partitions.Jun 18 10:56
oiaohmMinceR: so like it or not EBR is not really required for on a drive using MBR.Jun 18 10:57
oiaohmGUID Partition Table (GPT) in the primary table support up to 128 entries for partitions.Jun 18 10:57
oiaohmAnd you can if you wish use LVM or EBR inside those.Jun 18 10:57
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oiaohmMinceR: mind you the bigger issue with MBR is the 2TB limit.Jun 18 11:01
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oiaohmMinceR: I really do wonder what size drive and what setup would require to use all 128 partitions of GPT.Jun 18 11:03
MinceRi really don't careJun 18 11:04
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MinceRhttps://technet.microsoft.com/en-us/library/cc753506%28v=ws.11%29.aspxJun 18 11:08
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-technet.microsoft.com | Create partition logical [ http://ur1.ca/r0p3w ]Jun 18 11:09
MinceRand then the nonexistent "logical" "partition" suddenly existed againJun 18 11:09
MinceRalso, it's nice to see that there still are plenty of people who tirelessly defend the interests of industry-destroying criminal corporations without getting any rewards for itJun 18 11:17
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TweetTuxMachines@Castlewell      https://twitter.com/Castlewell/status/876459753987244032Jun 18 11:21
TweetTuxMachines                 The latest Let's Get Gamey! https://t.co/6oxscHwYsBJun 18 11:21
TweetTuxMachines                 (paper.li) Thanks to @GoGamersWorld @warrenball757Jun 18 11:21
TweetTuxMachines                 @tuxmachines #games #videogamesJun 18 11:21
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-paper.li | Let’s Get GameyJun 18 11:21
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oiaohmMinceR: really items like set-top boxes that in specs that say support only MBR drivers you will find EBR other extends don't work.Jun 18 11:25
MinceRare any of my PCs set-top boxes?Jun 18 11:26
MinceRdoes the article i cited mention set-top boxes anywhere?Jun 18 11:26
MinceRreally, you m$ shills come up with the stupidest excusesJun 18 11:26
oiaohmThe article does not say it for PC either.Jun 18 11:26
oiaohmThis is how Microsoft gets away with it.Jun 18 11:26
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oiaohmMinceR: so it not a wrong statement it a deceptive one.Jun 18 11:27
oiaohmMinceR: MBR drive does not mean a driver with MBR and EBR either.  https://msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/library/aa363785(VS.85).aspx yes Microsoft and their defines basic disc is MBR and EBR and Dynamic disks is using Microsofts equal to LVM.Jun 18 11:33
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-msdn.microsoft.com | Basic and Dynamic Disks (Windows) [ http://ur1.ca/r0p8j ]Jun 18 11:33
MinceRexcept when it doesJun 18 11:34
MinceRbut yeah, calling the msdos partitioning scheme "MBR" was a clever moveJun 18 11:34
MinceRlets them do doublethink and doubletalk about itJun 18 11:34
MinceRand people like you fall for it tooJun 18 11:34
oiaohmMinceR: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Master_boot_record except you have the history wrong.Jun 18 11:36
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-en.wikipedia.org | Master boot record - Wikipedia [ http://ur1.ca/r0p8v ]Jun 18 11:36
oiaohmMinceR: IBM made MBR not Microsoft.  So its IBM partition scheme that Microsoft creatively renamed.Jun 18 11:36
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oiaohmMinceR: IBM define of MBR does not have extended partitions.Jun 18 11:37
oiaohmMinceR: yes Microsoft goes back into history when it suite them.Jun 18 11:38
MinceRso m$-dos supporting them must have been a bugJun 18 11:38
schestowitzsame for smbJun 18 11:38
MinceRyes, m$ lies when it suits themJun 18 11:38
schestowitzIIRC an IBM thingJun 18 11:38
MinceR(that is, all the time)Jun 18 11:38
schestowitzbastardised by MSJun 18 11:38
MinceRand then rebrandedJun 18 11:38
schestowitzyesJun 18 11:38
schestowitzwell known to someJun 18 11:39
schestowitzto others it's "Windows network"Jun 18 11:39
MinceR"Common Internet File System" -- from the inventors of the Internet! :>Jun 18 11:39
schestowitzOr something along those linesJun 18 11:39
schestowitzbut they copied itJun 18 11:39
schestowitzthen "extended" itJun 18 11:39
schestowitzthen denies Samba documentationJun 18 11:39
schestowitzand threatened themJun 18 11:39
MinceR(of course if you really expose it on the Internet, you deserve having your systems broken into)Jun 18 11:39
schestowitzwith patent licence and allJun 18 11:39
schestowitzbut it's old news, let's now dwell on itJun 18 11:39
oiaohmMinceR: msdos partitioning scheme contains MBR and EBR.   That is where you were reading wrong.Jun 18 11:39
schestowitznow there's wambacryJun 18 11:39
schestowitzsambacryJun 18 11:40
MinceRoiaohm: i wasn't reading wrongJun 18 11:40
MinceRhttps://img-9gag-fun.9cache.com/photo/aWmwoo3_700b.jpgJun 18 11:42
oiaohmMinceR: the fun part is if Microsoft supported NEC version of MBR in the MBR there would be 8 partitions instead of 4.Jun 18 11:43
MinceRyeah, that's extremely funJun 18 11:43
MinceRalso extremely relevantJun 18 11:43
schestowitzMinceR: good oneJun 18 11:44
oiaohmMinceR: please note that 8 partition version of MBR was in custom version of MS-Dos Microsoft made for NEC.   So Microsoft has supported the most limited version of MBR they could get away with.Jun 18 11:48
MinceRhttp://i.imgur.com/9QA7K6g.gifv   (gallery: http://imgur.com/gallery/9QA7K6g )Jun 18 11:50
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-i.imgur.com | The correct way to drive a screw.Jun 18 11:50
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-The correct way to drive a screw. - GIF on ImgurJun 18 11:50
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XRevan86> MBR disks do not support more than four partitions on each discJun 18 11:55
XRevan86So?Jun 18 11:55
XRevan86They kinda do with extended partitions but this has limitations.Jun 18 11:55
MinceRyes they doJun 18 11:56
MinceRbut if users knew that, it would be more difficult to sell them on uefi bullshitJun 18 11:56
MinceRso we get m$ revisionismJun 18 11:57
XRevan86MinceR: Windows does extended partitions like crazy.Jun 18 11:57
MinceRit does everything like crazy :>Jun 18 11:57
XRevan86That MBR limitation is important when converting from GPT: extended partitions require a bit more space than the user probably gave to partitions in GPTJun 18 11:58
XRevan86so when converting from GPT to MBR, more than 4 partitions creates an actual problemJun 18 11:58
XRevan86MinceR: GPT can live without UEFI, just not on Windows %)Jun 18 11:59
MinceR:>Jun 18 11:59
XRevan86That is, for the drive with Windows, for others nobody cares.Jun 18 12:00
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MinceRhttp://i.imgur.com/VNEgllY.jpgJun 18 12:22
MinceRhttp://i.imgur.com/gbe6UJE.jpgJun 18 12:36
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MinceRhttp://i.imgur.com/uLLEhKB.gifv   (gallery: http://imgur.com/gallery/uLLEhKB )Jun 18 12:43
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-i.imgur.com | Brushing time!Jun 18 12:43
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Brushing time! - GIF on ImgurJun 18 12:43
MinceRhttp://i.imgur.com/Htid6b8.jpgJun 18 13:10
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MinceRhttp://i.imgur.com/FvQon0J.gifv   (gallery: http://imgur.com/gallery/UuGsy )Jun 18 13:27
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-i.imgur.com | ImgurJun 18 13:27
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Seriously - Album on ImgurJun 18 13:27
XRevan86MinceR: For a moment thought it's Tsoy, but nope %)Jun 18 13:30
MinceR:)Jun 18 13:31
MinceRwho's Tsoy?Jun 18 13:31
XRevan86MinceR: https://youtu.be/ACAvBBMb6BMJun 18 13:35
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Кино - Группа крови - YouTubeJun 18 13:35
MinceRthat doesn't really clear it upJun 18 13:38
XRevan86MinceR: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Viktor_TsoiJun 18 13:38
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-en.wikipedia.org | Viktor Tsoi - Wikipedia [ http://ur1.ca/r0pq2 ]Jun 18 13:38
MinceRicJun 18 13:38
XRevan86He's an ironic figure, so seeing his portrait is something I'm expecting :)Jun 18 13:39
MinceRhttp://imgur.com/gallery/XssnrJun 18 13:57
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MinceRhttp://i.imgur.com/yC2fHES.jpg?1   (gallery: http://imgur.com/yC2fHES )Jun 18 14:22
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Elon Musk as Dr. Evil - ImgurJun 18 14:22
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XRevan86MinceR: I just asked a friend from Kazakhstan about what he thinks about the alphabet initiative. He didn't know, thinks it's completely nuts.Jun 18 14:49
XRevan86He used a stronger language though.Jun 18 14:49
XRevan86Kazakhstan is not exactly obscenely wealthy to throw lots of money on alphabet micromanagement.Jun 18 14:51
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sebsebsebhiJun 18 15:08
XRevan86sebsebseb: hiJun 18 15:08
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MinceR:)Jun 18 15:09
MinceRXRevan86: but the dictator's personal vanity projects are much more important than the mere survival of his slaves, aren't they?Jun 18 15:10
sebsebsebhow do I get it to show file sytem properly from ubuntu phoneJun 18 15:10
sebsebsebso can get into .localJun 18 15:10
sebsebsebhmmJun 18 15:10
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XRevan86sebsebseb: UBports? :)Jun 18 15:25
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gde33https://steemit.com/ai/@gaby-de-wilde/an-objective-comparison-between-humans-ruling-the-world-vs-processes-ruling-the-worldJun 18 15:43
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DaemonFCDebian 9 is released....Jun 18 15:45
DaemonFCI don't use Debian, mainly because of its glacial release pace and the fact that it prioritizes architectures that almost nobody is using.Jun 18 15:46
DaemonFCSo it slows down the release process for all of them when a bug that only happens on some obscure hardware surfaces.Jun 18 15:46
DaemonFCIf they pared it down a bit, they could probably release a new Stable every year.Jun 18 15:46
DaemonFCAt some point over 2 years, it's obvious that Linux 4.9 will no longer suffice if you're trying to get Stable installed on a new computer.Jun 18 15:47
DaemonFCThe backport kernels should be thrown in on updated installation media to help people with newer hardware who can't get the machine to boot on an older kernel.Jun 18 15:48
DaemonFCThat's the real sticking point for me. I guess Linux 4.9 is good enough to install and make most of my hardware work, but Skylake wasn't very reliable until around 4.10, and Intel is still squashing bugs and enabling new features for power saving and stuff.Jun 18 15:49
DaemonFCObviously Debian isn't going to be much fun if I install it and have to live with a laptop that gets 15% less battery runtime.Jun 18 15:50
DaemonFCI actually got new complaints on boot with Linux 4.11 though.Jun 18 15:50
DaemonFCIt nags that it can't initialize the TPM. :PJun 18 15:50
DaemonFCI think I have a BIOS setting to disable the TPM though. I may just go ahead and turn it off to disable the warning.Jun 18 15:51
DaemonFCI think what actually happened though is that 4.11 has a driver for the TPM but not the firmware, so it's aware that a TPM is present but that it can't bring it up.Jun 18 15:54
DaemonFCOlder kernels didn't know it was there, so didn't complain.Jun 18 15:54
DaemonFCI don't know how a TPM would benefit me though, so I don't much care.Jun 18 15:55
DaemonFCI see that Debian doesn't support Secure Boot. I'm sort of split on what to think of it. It *could* be a useful security mechanism but the user should also be allowed to customize it or turn it off. My laptop just has on/off, and I keep it on because it's not hurting anything.Jun 18 15:56
DaemonFCI don't plan to use out-of-tree modules or a custom kernel.Jun 18 15:56
DaemonFCIt could theoretically frustrate malware.Jun 18 15:57
DaemonFCFuture kernels will have "kernel lockdown" when in Secure Boot mode, which will stop things in userspace from directly accessing certain resources, like the system firmware services.Jun 18 15:57
DaemonFCMinceR: Security, Microsoft style!Jun 18 16:08
MinceRlolJun 18 16:08
DaemonFCWhere your operating system can accidentally start a malicious program by attempting to scan it for malicious programs!Jun 18 16:08
DaemonFCTavis Ormandy found at least two separate bugs in Windows Defender where this can happen.Jun 18 16:09
XRevan86DaemonFC: That's actually not that unusual for "antiviruses"Jun 18 16:09
XRevan86Of course, Windows Defender is special because one cannot turn it off on Windows 10 :)Jun 18 16:10
DaemonFCYeah, Defender has a Virtual Machine where it simulates what would happen if the program ran, and it's supposed to be sandboxed to protect the rest of the system, but Ormandy found some ways to escape the sandbox and use Windows Defender to automatically start your malware for you.Jun 18 16:11
XRevan86DaemonFC: Wait, what?Jun 18 16:11
XRevan86DaemonFC: That's a very special level of stupid!Jun 18 16:12
XRevan86Everybody knows sandboxing is never perfectJun 18 16:12
DaemonFCApparently not Microsoft...Jun 18 16:13
XRevan86DaemonFC: I presume it runs it as soon as finds the binary, right?Jun 18 16:13
XRevan86from the creators of autorun.inf on USB sticks, ladies and gentlemenJun 18 16:14
DaemonFCYeah, in these situations, as soon as the malware runs in the VM/sandbox environment, it exploits one of the flaws in the VM/sandbox, escapes, and gets to run on the actual system, but it gets worse. Defender runs with System level permissions, which is actually higher than Administrator on Windows.Jun 18 16:14
XRevan86DaemonFC: That figuresJun 18 16:15
XRevan86that with that level of sandbox trust they wouldn't sandbox the sandbox :)Jun 18 16:16
DaemonFCSo once the malware is running as System, courtesy of Microsoft, it can basically do anything it wants, including kernel patching, which "PatchGuard" normally would stop, even for a process running as Administrator.Jun 18 16:16
MinceR18 221222 < XRevan86> Everybody knows sandboxing is never perfectJun 18 16:17
XRevan86DaemonFC: I bet the idea looked great on paper for the directors board :)Jun 18 16:17
MinceRthe people responsible for "modern" web browsers and the proliferation of javascript do not understand thisJun 18 16:17
MinceRDaemonFC: lolJun 18 16:17
DaemonFCOnce you can patch the Windows kernel, you can add a malicious unsigned  driver to it and BAM, you're a rootkit, and cloaked from further  detection, at least while Windows is running. (Although a live  environment antivirus that mounts your Windows partition might still be  able to find and kill it.)Jun 18 16:18
XRevan86MinceR: They kinda doJun 18 16:18
XRevan86MinceR: They just do it anyway for the sake of convinienceJun 18 16:18
MinceRXRevan86: then they're maliciousJun 18 16:18
XRevan86MinceR: At least they try to overcome thisJun 18 16:19
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XRevan86And Microsoft seems to just have pink goggles onJun 18 16:19
DaemonFCXRevan86: Running the malware in a simulated environment is risky, but they probably moved to that because old style heuristics don't work well when the code is obfuscated.Jun 18 16:19
DaemonFCAnd it's easy to get false positives with cases like that. Like, remember when old versions of uTorrent were detected as viruses.Jun 18 16:20
DaemonFCOr keygens or cracked EXEs with no DRM.Jun 18 16:20
XRevan86> Or keygens or cracked EXEs with no DRMJun 18 16:20
XRevan86I thought that's intentionalJun 18 16:20
DaemonFCNot malicious, but the antivirus flagged it because the idea was there was something weird about the file and it was better to be wrong .Jun 18 16:20
XRevan86DaemonFC: Still a risky ideaJun 18 16:21
XRevan86and they made it mandatoryJun 18 16:21
DaemonFCMinceR: I've been talking about this on Facebook.Jun 18 16:23
DaemonFCI added, Imagine what going to the doctor would be like if the doctor was like a  Windows antivirus program. You can't be sure of anything the doctor is  telling you because they're all frequently wrong, but they could be  right, so you head over to "DoctorTotal" and ask all of them, and 12 of  43 say it's cancer.Jun 18 16:23
MinceRlolJun 18 16:23
XRevan86DaemonFC: And then the prescription the doctor gives is mandatoryJun 18 16:24
XRevan86like in an institutionJun 18 16:24
XRevan86- Okay, I don't know for sure but I'm prescribing you Haloperidolum.Jun 18 16:25
XRevan86- Do I have to?Jun 18 16:25
XRevan86- Yes, yes you have to.Jun 18 16:25
DaemonFCWe're going to have to take that leg son, it could be gangrene. Jun 18 16:26
DaemonFCAre you sure?Jun 18 16:26
DaemonFCWell, 39% sure...Jun 18 16:26
XRevan86Can I see another doctor?Jun 18 16:26
XRevan86- E'nopeJun 18 16:26
DaemonFCYeah, for whatever good it will do. That weird Russian doctor nobody has ever heard of says it should be fine.Jun 18 16:27
XRevan86DaemonFC: The famous Dr. Cherezzhopov?Jun 18 16:27
MinceRDaemonFC: what are your thoughts on noatime vs relatine on ssd?Jun 18 16:28
DaemonFCMinceR: Speaking of doctors, one late night comedian posted a picture of Trump's personal physician.Jun 18 16:28
DaemonFCSaid he looked like the guy that sold you mushrooms at Burning Man.Jun 18 16:28
XRevan86("Cherez zhopu" means "through the arse", couldn't resist to make that even though nobody would understand)Jun 18 16:28
DaemonFCMinceR: noatime doesn't have too many drawbacks, but it can stop a significant amount of mostly useless writes.Jun 18 16:29
MinceRDaemonFC: sure, but what about relatime?Jun 18 16:29
DaemonFCMutt might have trouble with it, but Ted T'so mentioned a workaround for that.Jun 18 16:29
MinceR"relatime gives the same speed (and flash write cycle conservation) benefits as noatime, without causing trouble to old-fashioned mail notifiers."Jun 18 16:29
DaemonFCrelatime can still cause a lot of writes.Jun 18 16:30
MinceR:)Jun 18 16:30
DaemonFCSay you're working with a ton of small files that you're frequently creating or destroying.Jun 18 16:30
DaemonFCLike a git clone would still cause a bunch of writes.Jun 18 16:30
DaemonFCIt's probably not too much different one way or the other for a normal user, but since there are basically no drawbacks to noatime, I use noatime.Jun 18 16:31
MinceRi seeJun 18 16:32
DaemonFCAnd you don't need to use nodiratime anymore because noatime covers that too now.Jun 18 16:33
DaemonFCMan, these Debian 9 Live images are huge.Jun 18 16:33
DaemonFCWTF are they putting in there?Jun 18 16:34
DaemonFCThe Gnome live image is about 700 MB larger than Fedora.Jun 18 16:34
MinceRhttp://i.imgur.com/lNF425r.gifv   (gallery: http://imgur.com/gallery/Cw6d5 )Jun 18 16:34
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DaemonFCFedora uses xz compression on live images though. Debian might not.Jun 18 16:35
DaemonFCFedora also has the advantage of Delta RPM, whereas Debian-based distributions have to download an entire package for every update.Jun 18 16:35
DaemonFCIf you connection is metered, then definitely use Fedora.Jun 18 16:35
DaemonFCOr CentOS. CentOS 7.x has Delta RPMs.Jun 18 16:36
DaemonFCI might just go ahead and clobber Fedora and install CentOS 8 whenever it ships.Jun 18 16:36
DaemonFCI'd like to be on a long term stable distribution, but Debian is not that distribution.Jun 18 16:36
DaemonFCWhen they say Stable is FROZEN, they mean it.Jun 18 16:37
DaemonFCIt gets crusty really fast.Jun 18 16:37
DaemonFCRed Hat backports a lot of things like drivers to their Enterprise Linux kernel.Jun 18 16:37
schestowitzhttps://www.reddit.com/r/linux/comments/6h2rvk/why_do_people_dislike_pulseaudio/Jun 18 16:37
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DaemonFCWell, it is true that it exposed a lot of bugs in ALSA that have since been fixed.Jun 18 16:39
DaemonFCAnd Ubuntu 8.04 was a horrible mess.Jun 18 16:40
DaemonFCI had all sort of sound issues in Ubuntu 8.04 that just didn't happen in Fedora.Jun 18 16:40
DaemonFCUbuntu almost always has a lot of weird bugs.Jun 18 16:41
DaemonFCThey pull from Debian Unstable and try to sort everything out in a matter of months, for starters.Jun 18 16:41
DaemonFCAnd the problem is made worse by hundreds of Ubuntu patches and people at Canonical that clearly have no idea what they are doing.Jun 18 16:42
DaemonFCHow many releases now have had that broken dnsmasq setup that causes page load errors?Jun 18 16:43
DaemonFCThat was there 4 years ago and still there in 17.04.Jun 18 16:43
DaemonFCThey just do an unbelievably shitty job most of the time .The LTS releases are a little better because they're more conservative to begin with, which gets them better packages to start out with.Jun 18 16:44
DaemonFCRyan Farmer4 mins · Chicago · Trying out MP3 for the first time in about 10 years. The LAME encoder has gotten a lot better.   The fact that MP3 is in the public domain now means we can do whatever  we want with it without patent threats and licensing demands from  Fruenhofer and Technicolor (Thomson Consumer Electronics). Despite the  former patent holders declaring MP3 dead, it is, in fact, still the only  format that any hardwarJun 18 16:57
DaemonFCe will definitely play, and although technically  inferior to Vorbis, it's not "terrible", and thanks to the patent expiration, MP3 is now (legally) just as Free (as in freedom) as Ogg Vorbis is.  It's possible that MP3 stores could even lower their prices since they no longer owe any royalties for the format itself. Be free, MP3! Be free!Jun 18 16:57
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DaemonFCRyan Farmer1 min · Chicago · So,  I was looking at the notes for the LAME MP3 encoder and I stumbled onto  something that's pretty bad. Versions 3.98.1 and higher enforce ISO  standards compliance because some Fruenhofer decoder libraries, such as  the ones that shipped with Windows Media Player up through Windows Vista  would crash if you used certain MP3s encoded by LAME.  The  problem was that LAME was trying to make the most efJun 18 17:03
DaemonFCficient usage of  MP3's bit reservoir and that conflicted with the MP3 standard in a way where the behavior was undefined. Many decoders worked just fine, but at least Windows Media Player would crash. The solution was to not use the bit reservoir as efficiently on 320 kbps frames.  Fortunately, in Variable Bitrate Mode, few frames are 320 kbps frames  and the bit reservoir becomes far less utilized anyway, so the file  bloat primariJun 18 17:03
DaemonFCly effect CBR 320 MP3s (which will be 2-3% bigger than they  would have been under the previous bit reservoir strategy)  and to a  lesser extent VBR at V0 and V1. The V2 settings and lower aren't  affected much. Thanks Microsoft! Jun 18 17:03
DaemonFC*affectsJun 18 17:04
DaemonFCRyan Farmer1 min · Chicago · So,  I was looking at the notes for the LAME MP3 encoder and I stumbled onto  something that's pretty bad. Versions 3.98.1 and higher enforce ISO  standards compliance because some Fruenhofer decoder libraries, such as  the ones that shipped with Windows Media Player up through Windows Vista  would crash if you used certain MP3s encoded by LAME.  The  problem was that LAME was trying to make the most efJun 18 17:07
DaemonFCficient usage of  MP3's bit reservoir and that conflicted with the MP3 standard in a way where the behavior was undefined. Many decoders worked just fine, but at least Windows Media Player would crash. The solution was to not use the bit reservoir as efficiently on 320 kbps frames.  Fortunately, in Variable Bitrate Mode, few frames are 320 kbps frames  and the bit reservoir becomes far less utilized anyway, so the file  bloat primariJun 18 17:07
DaemonFCly effect CBR 320 MP3s (which will be 2-3% bigger than they  would have been under the previous bit reservoir strategy)  and to a  lesser extent VBR at V0 and V1. The V2 settings and lower aren't  affected much. Thanks Microsoft! Jun 18 17:07
DaemonFCoopsJun 18 17:07
DaemonFCI meant to add...Jun 18 17:07
DaemonFCHaving studied the behavior of the Fruenhofer encoders that support VBR,  none of them use frames bigger than 256kbps. Is this why? LAME (in my  experience) always produces better MP3 files than other encoders. In  fact, the only other encoder that was ever close was Xing/Helix. (I  don't know what became of those. RealNetworks licensed the code under  the open source MIT X11 license, so someone could use any part of it  they want...Jun 18 17:07
DaemonFC)Jun 18 17:07
DaemonFCSo the FhG encoders will avoid the bit bloat problem *and* avoid crashing certain versions of their own decoder, including the one that shipped with Windows Media Player for many years, at the expense of quality.Jun 18 17:08
DaemonFCThe encoder used is as or more important than the file format.Jun 18 17:10
DaemonFCYou can get great results with MP3 (LAME) or terrible results with AAC (FAAC).Jun 18 17:10
DaemonFCOgg Vorbis hasn't really been tuned as much. Chris Montgomery has focused more on avoiding potential regressions than tuning Vorbis.Jun 18 17:11
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DaemonFCYeah, MP3 is "dead". I'm sure Amazon and 7digital  will go running to MPEG-LA begging to pay royalties again for the AAC  format that isn't a lot better.Jun 18 17:23
MinceRhttps://i.imgur.com/y54ndVj.gifJun 18 17:23
DaemonFCApple is part of the MPEG-LA. They were really the first and only music store to adopt the format.Jun 18 17:23
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XRevan86MinceR: Why specifically Ramadan? Christianity has a celebration of hunger too: Pascha^W EasterJun 18 17:37
MinceRthat was in another part of the yearJun 18 17:38
XRevan86MinceR: Ramadan is today?Jun 18 17:38
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MinceR2017 date 27 May \u2013 24 June (Umm al-Qura)[1][2]Jun 18 17:39
cubexyzclearJun 18 17:46
cubexyzoopsJun 18 17:47
cubexyzI don't suppose anyone knows how to reset a video driver in linuxJun 18 17:48
XRevan86cubexyz: What do you mean, reset?Jun 18 17:49
cubexyzI'll give an example...Jun 18 17:49
cubexyzyour screen is blankJun 18 17:50
cubexyzyou can't see anything you typeJun 18 17:50
cubexyzmouse does nothing (nothing visible anyways)Jun 18 17:50
cubexyzbut...Jun 18 17:50
cubexyzyou can ssh into the computerJun 18 17:50
cubexyzso is there a way to reset the video driver so you can see again?Jun 18 17:51
cubexyzI want to at least get the text console working Jun 18 17:52
cubexyzok... init 4 does sometimes workJun 18 17:55
cubexyzthis is on slackJun 18 17:55
cubexyzand init 4 makes it go back into KDE :-/Jun 18 17:56
cubexyzkdm_greet just needs to be told to use icewm or something lighterJun 18 17:57
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DaemonFCRichard Stallman supported Vorbis under the BSD license because he was worried that MP3 would be the done thing if Vorbis didn't gain traction.Jun 18 18:01
cubexyzI think Fedora used to use runlevel 5 for full multi-user with X-based login Jun 18 18:01
DaemonFCWhat happened was that MP3 as the the done thing anyway, Vorbis was largely ignored, and eventually the MP3 patents expired.Jun 18 18:01
DaemonFCSo the MP3 problem is gone now, but we had to wait an awfully long time for that.Jun 18 18:01
cubexyzat least FC1 did, don't know about nowJun 18 18:02
cubexyzthere's something goofy going on with the text console on slackJun 18 18:03
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oiaohmDaemonFC: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MP3   Up to MP3 2.0 has gone patent end. Jun 18 18:15
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oiaohmDaemonFC: http://www.audioblog.iis.fraunhofer.com/mp3-software-patents-licenses/ the licencing program has ended.   As we don't know if all the data on 2.5 mp3 will be released.Jun 18 18:17
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schestowitzMinceR: disgustingJun 18 18:20
schestowitzhttps://twitter.com/Smelly_Henry/status/876565155211087873Jun 18 18:20
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@Smelly_Henry: @AnitaevaB @Mr_snores @lg63969 @Hitchycock @schestowitz @jeremycorbyn @Peston @theresa_may Still not owned by a Tory landlord.Jun 18 18:20
MinceR:)Jun 18 18:21
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sebsebsebrazielle_tzu: pingJun 18 18:27
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razielle_tzuhi sebsebseb Jun 18 18:29
sebsebsebrazielle_tzu: ok perfect you can probably help me :dJun 18 18:29
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razielle_tzudepends what withJun 18 18:30
sebsebsebrazielle_tzu: a few issues with my MX 4 Ubuntu Edition nowJun 18 18:30
sebsebsebrazielle_tzu: so preparing to factory re set, and then re flash with ubports,  may try out fly me os first since its meizuJun 18 18:30
sebsebsebanywayJun 18 18:30
sebsebsebvideos off itJun 18 18:30
sebsebsebimages off itJun 18 18:30
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sebsebsebrazielle_tzu: but one thing I want to back up myself copy   is the texts firstJun 18 18:30
sebsebsebwhich are stored in a database, but getting access to that database is the thingJun 18 18:31
sebsebsebrazielle_tzu: looks lilke can try and copy the file on the phone into say downloads or documents, or use a ssh server and scpJun 18 18:31
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sebsebsebrazielle_tzu: how do I cp into a folder?Jun 18 18:31
razielle_tzui kinda know how to do that with android but not ubuntu, i told you this beforeJun 18 18:31
sebsebsebrazielle_tzu: yes, but that shoudn't matter see hereJun 18 18:32
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sebsebsebrazielle_tzu: https://forums.ubports.com/topic/342/how-do-i-or-would-i-a-few-thingsJun 18 18:32
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sebsebsebrazielle_tzu: its just standard linuxey command stuff really nowJun 18 18:32
sebsebsebif I can copy the hidden file over to say documents, I can get access from normal usb with mtp,  I thinik that's what he meant in last commentJun 18 18:33
razielle_tzuthat last comment gives you the exact command for copying the sqlite database, all you need to do is input the user and ip in place of the <user>@<ubuntu pc ip address>Jun 18 18:34
MinceRhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5YDAl0yZyrAJun 18 18:34
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razielle_tzusame with the person before telling you the exact  rsync command for backing the whole image upJun 18 18:34
sebsebsebrazielle_tzu: yes that's the next thingJun 18 18:35
sebsebsebrazielle_tzu: but not going to risk losing my textsJun 18 18:35
sebsebsebI do that later onJun 18 18:35
sebsebsebrsyncJun 18 18:35
sebsebsebthere's  guide for that even on wikiJun 18 18:35
razielle_tzursync just copies everything on the phone to a computer's hdd, it doesn't delete anythingJun 18 18:35
sebsebsebrazielle_tzu: I don't tend to use the cp command, but should be able to copp from one folder into anotherJun 18 18:35
sebsebsebrazielle_tzu: oh yeah rsync used that for mageia isos in the past pre testing oensJun 18 18:36
sebsebsebbut still I like the idea of being able to copy the texts  seperatlyJun 18 18:36
sebsebsebrazielle_tzu:  so I copy the file on the phone terminal, hopefuly that owrks,  then need to put it into say documents folder on the phoneJun 18 18:37
sebsebsebhow to do that?Jun 18 18:37
DaemonFChttps://lists.debian.org/debian-hurd/2017/06/msg00017.htmlJun 18 18:37
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sebsebsebrazielle_tzu: send a copy of this file, to this folder, how ?Jun 18 18:38
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razielle_tzuthe phone terminal command tells it to copy the db to a folder on your computer NOT a folder on the phoneJun 18 18:43
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cubexyzI guess it boils down to whether or not I can rmmod the video driver moduleJun 18 18:58
cubexyzso far I've never been able to do that, not that I can rememberJun 18 18:58
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cubexyzand there's alt-SysReq-r Jun 18 18:59
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cubexyzbetween slack and suspend/resume, exiting X and flipping alt-ctrl-f1 etc it seems to put the video card into a bad stateJun 18 19:01
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cubexyzobviously I'm not doing all that on the server, so I guess that leads to greater reliabilityJun 18 19:03
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cubexyzon the vector box suspend/resume doesn't work and I don't have any problem going from X to framebuffer and back againJun 18 19:04
cubexyzalthough once radeonfb is loaded, that's itJun 18 19:04
cubexyzI can't rmmod itJun 18 19:04
cubexyzthere's no radeonfb reset possible... it's "in use" at that pointJun 18 19:05
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cubexyzI can suspend/resume a hundred times, and it just worksJun 18 19:09
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DaemonFChttp://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2017/06/inkscape-krita-windows-storeJun 18 20:27
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DaemonFCKrita costs $9.75 on the Windows store, but Microsoft gets a third of that.Jun 18 20:27
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DaemonFCPaul Thurrott gave up and wrote an article about how MP3 was the de facto standard several years ago.Jun 18 21:35
DaemonFCAround the time Windows XP was released, he was predicting that WMA would become the standard and that the iPod would make extensive use of it.Jun 18 21:35
DaemonFCI read it and thought "What is this guy smoking? WMA sounds like shit.".Jun 18 21:35
DaemonFCI remember that when using Kazaa, you had to be careful because people would slip malicious Windows Media files into their share folder.Jun 18 21:39
DaemonFCIt would open up Internet Explorer and point it to a website that installed malware on your computer.Jun 18 21:39
DaemonFCHmm, Wikipedia says that ffmpeg has a reverse engineered WMA plugin.Jun 18 21:41
DaemonFCI wonder what the patent status on that is like. WMA (Original) might be clear, but WMA Pro may not be.Jun 18 21:41
DaemonFCThere's a confusing situation around WMA since it's not just one codec. It's actually a bunch and they're not all compatible with each other.Jun 18 21:42
DaemonFChttps://google.com/patents/EP1355471A2?cl=koJun 18 21:45
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Patent EP1355471A2 - Error resilient windows media audio coding - Google Patents [ http://ur1.ca/r0riy ]Jun 18 21:45
DaemonFCHmm, looks like maybe 2023 before WMA is public domain.Jun 18 21:46
DaemonFCThat would make sense, considering the last versions released with major new feature support were released in 2003.Jun 18 21:46
oiaohmDaemonFC: not that I will think that WMA will be a large problem due to it limited usage.Jun 18 21:58
DaemonFCYeah, barely anyone was using it except maybe for its DRM.Jun 18 22:08
DaemonFCLike those subscription music sites.Jun 18 22:08
DaemonFCFor a while there was a utility that could remove the DRM from WMA files so you could download all the music you wanted and just keep it.Jun 18 22:09
DaemonFChttp://lame.cvs.sourceforge.net/viewvc/lame/lame/doc/html/history.html?revision=HEADJun 18 22:13
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DaemonFC"Resurrect Owen Taylor's code dated from 97-11-3 to properly deal with GTK1.  This was transplanted back from aclocal.m4 with a patch provided by Andres Mejia. This change makes it easy to regenerate autotools' files with a simple invocation of autoconf -vfi. "Jun 18 22:13
DaemonFCWTF!?Jun 18 22:13
DaemonFCWhich distribution still has GTK+ 1?Jun 18 22:13
DaemonFCI'm pretty sure even Debian deleted it and tossed the last packages that depended on it.Jun 18 22:14
DaemonFCThe only notable one was probably XMMS.Jun 18 22:14
DaemonFCAccording to changelogs, XMMS has been dead for 10 years.Jun 18 22:15
DaemonFCLast plugin update was August 2007.Jun 18 22:15
DaemonFCHoly crap. Fedora still has GTK1 and XMMS?Jun 18 22:16
DaemonFCLOL!Jun 18 22:16
DaemonFCLooks like the last time an actual version change occurred was for 1.2.11, which was never released. Fedora just updated to the latest CVS versionJun 18 22:18
DaemonFCSeptember 2nd 2008Jun 18 22:18
DaemonFCFedora 10Jun 18 22:18
DaemonFCEverything after that was a mass rebuild.Jun 18 22:18
DaemonFCThe last CVS commit for XMMS was on November 17, 2007.Jun 18 22:19
DaemonFChttps://koji.fedoraproject.org/koji/buildinfo?buildID=858240Jun 18 22:20
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-koji.fedoraproject.org | xmms-1.2.11-29.20071117cvs.fc26 | Build Info | koji [ http://ur1.ca/r0rpx ]Jun 18 22:20
DaemonFC* Mon Jan 16 2017 Tom Callaway <spot@fedoraproject.org> - 1:1.2.11-28.20071117cvs - Add Provides for bundled libmpg123. xmms doesn't really have a good way to use   a system copy here, because it is older than dinosaurs.  * Fri Nov 18 2016 Tom Callaway <spot@fedoraproject.org> - 1:1.2.11-27.20071117cvs - mp3 is back, baby!Jun 18 22:20
DaemonFCLMAOJun 18 22:20
DaemonFCSome of the comments are pretty funny.Jun 18 22:21
oiaohmDebian has xmms2 Jun 18 22:21
DaemonFCLooks like a few Fedora maintainers keep it around and fix it up enough to keep working.Jun 18 22:21
DaemonFCxmms2 is a fork.Jun 18 22:21
DaemonFCSo is Audacious.Jun 18 22:21
DaemonFCXMMS was never going to stop using GTK+ 1 because it would break all of the plug-ins and some of them were proprietary, others unmaintained, some had authors who were dead, etc.Jun 18 22:22
DaemonFC* Thu Feb 14 2013 Tom Callaway <spot@fedoraproject.org> - 1:1.2.11-18.20071117cvs - drop esound support (esound is dead dead dead)Jun 18 22:23
DaemonFC:)Jun 18 22:23
DaemonFCAnd I'm glad, glad, glad.Jun 18 22:24
DaemonFCESound was terrible.Jun 18 22:24
DaemonFC* Fri Jul 15 2011 Tom Callaway <spot@fedoraproject.org> - 1:1.2.11-15.20071117cvs - fix alsa plugin loop code to, well, stop looping when the track is done - fix desktop file to enqueue and play files - add patch from Ubuntu for CVE-2007-0653Jun 18 22:24
DaemonFCOK, I installed it. Let's see what it does.Jun 18 22:27
DaemonFCWell, it does work but it's REALLY tiny.Jun 18 22:29
oiaohmSome of the things you find in fedora are what they.Jun 18 22:29
oiaohmare thinking.Jun 18 22:29
oiaohmI don't know of any exact reason to keep xmms alive.Jun 18 22:30
DaemonFChttps://scontent.ford1-1.fna.fbcdn.net/v/t31.0-8/19222751_366762830392596_4990298151019036627_o.jpg?oh=053c0a376ce2d60170b39d899c2e7b78&oe=59DEB936Jun 18 22:34
DaemonFCXMMS next to Audacious.Jun 18 22:34
DaemonFCI posted it to Facebook. Jun 18 22:34
DaemonFCRyan Farmer1 min · XMMS on the left, still using the GTK+1 toolkit. Obviously never going to support HiDPI displays.  The Audacious fork on the left. At least that uses GTK+ 2. Hopefully someone ports it to GTK+ 3, but at least Audacious is usable without squinting.   XMMS dates back into the 1990s. It was one of the first easy to use  graphical music players for unix systems. It was designed as a clone of  Winamp, which was very poJun 18 22:35
DaemonFCpular at the time.Jun 18 22:35
DaemonFCoiaohm: It's kind of insane to keep XMMS around.Jun 18 22:37
oiaohmDaemonFC: you do have wayland/X11 scaling Jun 18 22:38
oiaohmDaemonFC: so gtk1 on HiDPI screen should be possible.Jun 18 22:38
oiaohmDaemonFC: of course not look any better.Jun 18 22:38
DaemonFChttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/GNU_Free_Documentation_License#CriticismJun 18 23:09
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-en.wikipedia.org | GNU Free Documentation License - Wikipedia [ http://ur1.ca/r0s0a ]Jun 18 23:09
DaemonFCThat's insane. Jun 18 23:09
DaemonFCYou have to kill the rainforest printing out the entire license just for quoting a piece of text in a GFDL-licensed document.Jun 18 23:10
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TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     https://twitter.com/tuxmachines/status/876687433533984768Jun 19 02:27
TweetTuxMachines                 #DebianEdu 9 "Stretch" Released as a Complete GNU/LinuxJun 19 02:27
TweetTuxMachines                 Solution for Schools https://t.co/4Pzq4tmf2AJun 19 02:27
TweetTuxMachines                 (www.tuxmachines.org) #debian #gnu #linux #eduationJun 19 02:27
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TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/876687676149125120Jun 19 02:27
TweetTuxMachines retweeted by    Links 18/6/2017: New Debian Release, Catchup With a LotJun 19 02:27
TweetTuxMachines @schestowitz    of News https://t.co/NgWE767jtv (techrights.org)Jun 19 02:27
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*TweetTuxMachines @schestowitz retweeted @tuxmachines: '#DebianEdu 9 "Stretch" Released as a Complete GNU/Linux...'Jun 19 02:27
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Links 18/6/2017: New Debian Release, Catchup With a Lot of News | TechrightsJun 19 02:27
*TweetTuxMachines @Beezel_Bug favourited '#DebianEdu 9 "Stretch" Released as a Complete GNU/Linux...'Jun 19 02:30
*TweetTuxMachines @bob_moss favourited '#DebianEdu 9 "Stretch" Released as a Complete GNU/Linux...'Jun 19 02:30
*TweetTuxMachines @tuxmachines favourited retweet 'RT @schestowitz: @wikileaks @suigenerisjen Sessions and Pompeo made...'Jun 19 02:30
*TweetTuxMachines @tuxmachines favourited '@wikileaks @suigenerisjen Sessions and Pompeo made it clear...'Jun 19 02:30
*TweetTuxMachines @bob_moss retweeted @tuxmachines: '#DebianEdu 9 "Stretch" Released as a Complete GNU/Linux...'Jun 19 02:37
TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     https://twitter.com/tuxmachines/status/876690460781281280Jun 19 02:39
TweetTuxMachines                 #TheSSS 22.0 Linux Server Out with Kernel 4.9.13, #ApacheJun 19 02:39
TweetTuxMachines                 2.4.25 & #MariaDB 10.2.6 https://t.co/Xky4vyneU2Jun 19 02:39
TweetTuxMachines                 (www.tuxmachines.org) #gnu #linuxJun 19 02:39
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*TweetTuxMachines @schestowitz retweeted @tuxmachines: '#TheSSS 22.0 Linux Server Out with Kernel 4.9.13,...'Jun 19 02:47
*TweetTuxMachines @Pros_P33 retweeted @tuxmachines: '#TheSSS 22.0 Linux Server Out with Kernel 4.9.13,...'Jun 19 02:54
TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     https://twitter.com/tuxmachines/status/876694643756478465Jun 19 02:55
TweetTuxMachines                 Swimming with #SharkLinux https://t.co/NZBKaJFq0xJun 19 02:55
TweetTuxMachines                 (distrowatch.com) #gnu #linuxJun 19 02:55
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*TweetTuxMachines @Beezel_Bug favourited 'Swimming with #SharkLinux https://t.co/NZBKaJFq0x #gnu #linux'Jun 19 02:55
*TweetTuxMachines @schestowitz retweeted @tuxmachines: 'Swimming with #SharkLinux https://t.co/NZBKaJFq0x #gnu #linux'Jun 19 02:56
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*TweetTuxMachines @tuxmachines favourited '@jeremycorbyn Some people prop up a clash of...'Jun 19 03:48
schestowitzhttps://www.reddit.com/r/linux/comments/6cq83m/kde_plasma_511_will_have_builtin_night_color/Jun 19 03:53
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.reddit.com | KDE Plasma 5.11 will have built-in Night Color feature! : linux [ http://ur1.ca/r0tft ]Jun 19 03:53
*TweetTuxMachines @tuxmachines favourited retweet 'RT @schestowitz: @jeremycorbyn Some people prop up a...'Jun 19 03:55
TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     https://twitter.com/tuxmachines/status/876709909211090944Jun 19 03:57
TweetTuxMachines                 13 reasons why you need Linux in your life Jun 19 03:57
TweetTuxMachines                 https://t.co/6ZwRqydU56 (www.tuxmachines.org) #gnu #linuxJun 19 03:57
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | 13 reasons why you need Linux in your life | Tux MachinesJun 19 03:57
*TweetTuxMachines @schestowitz retweeted @tuxmachines: '13 reasons why you need Linux in your...'Jun 19 04:04
*TweetTuxMachines @tuxmachines favourited '@wikileaks WaPo want its own sources in jail,...'Jun 19 04:04
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*TweetTuxMachines @tuxmachines favourited retweet 'RT @schestowitz: @wikileaks WaPo want its own sources...'Jun 19 04:38
TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     https://twitter.com/tuxmachines/status/876720814208557056Jun 19 04:40
TweetTuxMachines                 today's howtos https://t.co/kbG8lYfDdOJun 19 04:40
TweetTuxMachines                 (www.tuxmachines.org) #unix #gnu #linuxJun 19 04:40
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TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     https://twitter.com/tuxmachines/status/876721194740875264Jun 19 04:40
TweetTuxMachines                 Leftovers: Software https://t.co/XgaixINgxWJun 19 04:41
TweetTuxMachines                 (www.tuxmachines.org) #freeswJun 19 04:41
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Leftovers: Software | Tux MachinesJun 19 04:41
*TweetTuxMachines @schestowitz retweeted @tuxmachines: 'today's howtos https://t.co/kbG8lYfDdO #unix #gnu #linux'Jun 19 04:41
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TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     https://twitter.com/Pros_P33/status/876722956508024832Jun 19 05:05
TweetTuxMachines retweeted by    today's howtos https://t.co/kbG8lYfDdOJun 19 05:05
TweetTuxMachines @Pros_P33       (www.tuxmachines.org) #unix #gnu #linuxJun 19 05:05
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*TweetTuxMachines @tuxmachines favourited '@wikileaks And #trump - who became President because...'Jun 19 05:05
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*TweetTuxMachines @tuxmachines favourited retweet 'RT @schestowitz: @wikileaks And #trump - who became...'Jun 19 05:10
*TweetTuxMachines @softpedialinux favourited '#TheSSS 22.0 Linux Server Out with Kernel 4.9.13,...'Jun 19 05:10
*TweetTuxMachines @softpedialinux favourited '#DebianEdu 9 "Stretch" Released as a Complete GNU/Linux...'Jun 19 05:11
*TweetTuxMachines @tuxmachines favourited '@CraigMurrayOrg @wikileaks That's what one gets for speaking...'Jun 19 05:11
*TweetTuxMachines @tuxmachines favourited retweet 'RT @schestowitz: @CraigMurrayOrg @wikileaks That's what one gets...'Jun 19 05:12
*TweetTuxMachines @MariusNestor favourited '#DebianEdu 9 "Stretch" Released as a Complete GNU/Linux...'Jun 19 05:12
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*TweetTuxMachines @MariusNestor favourited '#TheSSS 22.0 Linux Server Out with Kernel 4.9.13,...'Jun 19 05:24
*TweetTuxMachines @tuxmachines favourited '@wikileaks Waste of police efforts, which are already...'Jun 19 05:24
*TweetTuxMachines @tuxmachines favourited retweet 'RT @schestowitz: @wikileaks Waste of police efforts, which...'Jun 19 05:25
TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     https://twitter.com/tuxmachines/status/876732569068457984Jun 19 05:27
TweetTuxMachines                 Leftovers: #Debian, #Ubuntu and DerivativesJun 19 05:27
TweetTuxMachines                 https://t.co/cEiTDgAbEK (www.tuxmachines.org)Jun 19 05:27
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Leftovers: Debian, Ubuntu and Derivatives | Tux MachinesJun 19 05:27
TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     https://twitter.com/tuxmachines/status/876733004147765248Jun 19 05:28
TweetTuxMachines                 #Fedora : Atomic/Cloud Test Day, AMA, and New FeaturesJun 19 05:28
TweetTuxMachines                 https://t.co/1Y1BJkiBON (www.tuxmachines.org) #redhatJun 19 05:28
TweetTuxMachines                 #f26 #gnu #linuxJun 19 05:28
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*TweetTuxMachines @schestowitz retweeted @tuxmachines: 'Leftovers: #Debian, #Ubuntu and Derivatives https://t.co/cEiTDgAbEK'Jun 19 05:28
*TweetTuxMachines @schestowitz retweeted @tuxmachines: '#Fedora : Atomic/Cloud Test Day, AMA, and New...'Jun 19 05:54
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TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     https://twitter.com/tecknocrat/status/876789393326985221Jun 19 09:11
TweetTuxMachines retweeted by    #Ubuntu, #UBports, Quick Look at Ubuntu 17.10,Jun 19 09:11
TweetTuxMachines @tecknocrat     #UbuntuStudio, and #elementaryOS https://t.co/UOJH6DyJi9Jun 19 09:11
TweetTuxMachines                 (www.tuxmachines.org) #gnu #linuxJun 19 09:11
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Ubuntu, UBports, Quick Look at Ubuntu 17.10, Ubuntu Studio, and elementaryOS | Tux MachinesJun 19 09:11
*TweetTuxMachines @tecknocrat favourited '#Ubuntu, #UBports, Quick Look at Ubuntu 17.10, #UbuntuStudio,...'Jun 19 09:20
MinceRhttps://xkcd.com/1852/Jun 19 09:24
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oiaohmhttps://xkcd.com/730/Jun 19 10:29
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schestowitzoldJun 19 10:33
schestowitzMinceR: oldJun 19 10:33
MinceRschestowitz: oldJun 19 10:33
schestowitzMinceR: do you have those old logs in tact?Jun 19 10:33
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MinceRi doJun 19 10:33
schestowitzthanks, as long as we don't lose themJun 19 10:34
MinceRbut i haven't organized them fullyJun 19 10:34
MinceRgot sidetrackedJun 19 10:34
schestowitznext year 10-year anniversaryJun 19 10:34
MinceRhttp://img.pr0gramm.com/2017/06/19/bed2edc323aa0872.jpgJun 19 10:42
TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     https://twitter.com/tuxmachines/status/876816228685422592Jun 19 10:58
TweetTuxMachines                 That's random: OpenBSD adds more kernel securityJun 19 10:58
TweetTuxMachines                 https://t.co/fJ4eN6bLRv (www.tuxmachines.org)Jun 19 10:58
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | That's random: OpenBSD adds more kernel security | Tux MachinesJun 19 10:58
TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     https://twitter.com/tuxmachines/status/876816452048883712Jun 19 11:01
TweetTuxMachines                 How to install Linux on a Chromebook (and why you should)Jun 19 11:01
TweetTuxMachines                 https://t.co/QsxtTIiCeQ (www.tuxmachines.org) #gnu #linuxJun 19 11:01
TweetTuxMachines                 #gentoo #chromebook #nsa #prismJun 19 11:01
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | How to install Linux on a Chromebook (and why you should) | Tux MachinesJun 19 11:01
*TweetTuxMachines @schestowitz retweeted @tuxmachines: 'That's random: OpenBSD adds more kernel security https://t.co/fJ4eN6bLRv'Jun 19 11:01
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TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/876817252452114436Jun 19 11:23
TweetTuxMachines retweeted by    How to install Linux on a Chromebook (and why you should)Jun 19 11:23
TweetTuxMachines @schestowitz    https://t.co/QsxtTIiCeQ (www.tuxmachines.org) #gnu #linuxJun 19 11:23
TweetTuxMachines                 #gentoo #chromebook #nsa #prismJun 19 11:23
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TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     https://twitter.com/tuxmachines/status/876822639498731522Jun 19 11:25
TweetTuxMachines                 Android Leftovers https://t.co/X7PF1yRrb4Jun 19 11:25
TweetTuxMachines                 (www.tuxmachines.org) #android #lg #google #linuxJun 19 11:25
TweetTuxMachines                 #oneplusJun 19 11:25
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Android Leftovers | Tux MachinesJun 19 11:25
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TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     https://twitter.com/tuxmachines/status/876823113824174081Jun 19 11:26
TweetTuxMachines                 Fedora & EFI mount problem = failed bootJun 19 11:26
TweetTuxMachines                 https://t.co/ElTgNTIplM (www.tuxmachines.org) #fedoraJun 19 11:26
TweetTuxMachines                 #redhat #gnu #linuxJun 19 11:26
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Fedora & EFI mount problem = failed boot | Tux MachinesJun 19 11:26
*TweetTuxMachines @schestowitz retweeted @tuxmachines: 'Android Leftovers https://t.co/X7PF1yRrb4 #android #lg #google #linux #oneplus'Jun 19 11:26
MinceRhttp://i.imgur.com/Md1b6m3.jpgJun 19 11:37
TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/876823416363503616Jun 19 11:52
TweetTuxMachines retweeted by    Fedora & EFI mount problem = failed bootJun 19 11:52
TweetTuxMachines @schestowitz    https://t.co/ElTgNTIplM (www.tuxmachines.org) #fedoraJun 19 11:52
TweetTuxMachines                 #redhat #gnu #linuxJun 19 11:52
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TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     https://twitter.com/tuxmachines/status/876830032060186624Jun 19 11:54
TweetTuxMachines                 #LibreOffice Features Survey https://t.co/ENXJoT1MKkJun 19 11:54
TweetTuxMachines                 (www.tuxmachines.org) needs more media traction. #odfJun 19 11:54
TweetTuxMachines                 #opendocument #tdf #freeswJun 19 11:54
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | IBM Processors at Core of Xbox and Playstation 3 | Tux MachinesJun 19 11:54
TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     https://twitter.com/tuxmachines/status/876830405558755329Jun 19 11:55
TweetTuxMachines                 #Chuwi #Lapbook and Other Laptops/Ultrabooks With #GNU /Jun 19 11:55
TweetTuxMachines                 #Linux Preloaded https://t.co/vOU3KmkkA8Jun 19 11:55
TweetTuxMachines                 (www.tuxmachines.org)Jun 19 11:55
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*TweetTuxMachines @schestowitz retweeted @tuxmachines: '#LibreOffice Features Survey https://t.co/ENXJoT1MKk needs more media traction....'Jun 19 11:55
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Chuwi Lapbook and Other Laptops/Ultrabooks With GNU/Linux Preloaded | Tux MachinesJun 19 11:55
*TweetTuxMachines @schestowitz retweeted @tuxmachines: '#Chuwi #Lapbook and Other Laptops/Ultrabooks With #GNU /...'Jun 19 11:57
TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     https://twitter.com/tuxmachines/status/876831295606804480Jun 19 12:00
TweetTuxMachines                 #Security Leftovers: Skills, #BlueCat DNS Edge, #LynisJun 19 12:00
TweetTuxMachines                 and #KaliLinux 2017.1 https://t.co/Pg9KmyeIw2Jun 19 12:00
TweetTuxMachines                 (www.tuxmachines.org)Jun 19 12:00
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Security Leftovers: Skills, BlueCat DNS Edge, Lynis and Kali Linux 2017.1 | Tux MachinesJun 19 12:00
TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     https://twitter.com/tuxmachines/status/876831871547707392Jun 19 12:00
TweetTuxMachines                 Audiocasts: #LateNightLinux, #LinuxAction News, andJun 19 12:00
TweetTuxMachines                 #WorldWideWeb Sucks https://t.co/VIZRqECudtJun 19 12:00
TweetTuxMachines                 (www.tuxmachines.org)Jun 19 12:00
TweetTuxMachines Jun 19 12:00
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Audiocasts: Late Night Linux, Linux Action News, and World Wide Web Sucks | Tux MachinesJun 19 12:00
*TweetTuxMachines @schestowitz retweeted @tuxmachines: '#Security Leftovers: Skills, #BlueCat DNS Edge, #Lynis and...'Jun 19 12:00
*TweetTuxMachines @schestowitz retweeted @tuxmachines: 'Audiocasts: #LateNightLinux, #LinuxAction News, and #WorldWideWeb Sucks https://t.co/VIZRqECudt'Jun 19 12:02
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TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     https://twitter.com/tuxmachines/status/876832641340903426Jun 19 12:07
TweetTuxMachines                 #Debian Replaces #MySQL With #MariaDB, Other Release NewsJun 19 12:07
TweetTuxMachines                 https://t.co/5XtMySkA0N (www.tuxmachines.org) #gnu #linuxJun 19 12:07
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Debian Replaces MySQL With MariaDB, Other Release News | Tux MachinesJun 19 12:07
TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     https://twitter.com/tuxmachines/status/876833751216553984Jun 19 12:09
TweetTuxMachines                 #Servers News: #COTS and #KubernetesJun 19 12:09
TweetTuxMachines                 https://t.co/4c9Hu4tg7J (www.tuxmachines.org) #gnu #linuxJun 19 12:09
TweetTuxMachines                 #freeswJun 19 12:09
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*TweetTuxMachines @schestowitz retweeted @tuxmachines: '#Debian Replaces #MySQL With #MariaDB, Other Release News...'Jun 19 12:09
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Servers News: COTS and Kubernetes | Tux MachinesJun 19 12:09
*TweetTuxMachines @schestowitz retweeted @tuxmachines: '#Servers News: #COTS and #Kubernetes https://t.co/4c9Hu4tg7J #gnu #linux...'Jun 19 12:12
TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     https://twitter.com/tuxmachines/status/876835120640139265Jun 19 12:13
TweetTuxMachines                 today's howtos https://t.co/9Ht3P18b40Jun 19 12:13
TweetTuxMachines                 (www.tuxmachines.org) #howto #gnu #linux #unixJun 19 12:13
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | today's howtos | Tux MachinesJun 19 12:13
TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     https://twitter.com/tuxmachines/status/876835748498071553Jun 19 12:19
TweetTuxMachines                 #Xen, collaboration tools, and upcoming #FOSS eventsJun 19 12:19
TweetTuxMachines                 https://t.co/zZwWmUhrvR (www.tuxmachines.org) #freesw #vmJun 19 12:19
TweetTuxMachines                 #server #designJun 19 12:19
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Xen, collaboration tools, and upcoming FOSS events | Tux MachinesJun 19 12:19
*TweetTuxMachines @schestowitz retweeted @tuxmachines: '#Xen, collaboration tools, and upcoming #FOSS events https://t.co/zZwWmUhrvR...'Jun 19 12:19
*TweetTuxMachines @schestowitz retweeted @tuxmachines: 'today's howtos https://t.co/9Ht3P18b40 #howto #gnu #linux #unix'Jun 19 12:22
TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     https://twitter.com/tuxmachines/status/876837593371082756Jun 19 12:24
TweetTuxMachines                 #Development News: Getting Involved in #FOSS, LearningJun 19 12:24
TweetTuxMachines                 #Git, Getting Started With #PythonJun 19 12:24
TweetTuxMachines                 https://t.co/dnj71rfR3s (www.tuxmachines.org)Jun 19 12:24
TweetTuxMachines Jun 19 12:24
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Development News: Getting Involved in FOSS, Learning Git, Getting Started With Python | Tux MachinesJun 19 12:24
*TweetTuxMachines @tuxmachines favourited '@wikileaks Could try ECHR too, no? At least...'Jun 19 12:24
*TweetTuxMachines @tuxmachines favourited retweet 'RT @schestowitz: @wikileaks Could try ECHR too, no?...'Jun 19 12:26
TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     https://twitter.com/tuxmachines/status/876838460010713088Jun 19 12:27
TweetTuxMachines                 #Xfce Components in Active DevelopmentJun 19 12:27
TweetTuxMachines                 https://t.co/2btFR11c18 (www.tuxmachines.org) #gnu #linuxJun 19 12:27
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Xfce Components in Active Development | Tux MachinesJun 19 12:27
*TweetTuxMachines @schestowitz retweeted @tuxmachines: '#Development News: Getting Involved in #FOSS, Learning #Git,...'Jun 19 12:27
*TweetTuxMachines @schestowitz retweeted @tuxmachines: '#Xfce Components in Active Development https://t.co/2btFR11c18 #gnu #linux'Jun 19 12:29
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TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     https://twitter.com/tuxmachines/status/876839257154965504Jun 19 12:30
TweetTuxMachines                 #KDE News: #Brooklyn 0.1, #Wayland Session, #KIO, #CantorJun 19 12:30
TweetTuxMachines                 ’s Qa#lculate https://t.co/EQgGbhRzxTJun 19 12:30
TweetTuxMachines                 (www.tuxmachines.org)   #gnu #linuxJun 19 12:30
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DaemonFCI'd be interested to know what Red Hat does with their Enterprise Linux kernels.Jun 19 14:43
schestowitzask their NSA partnersJun 19 14:44
DaemonFCThey used to break out the patch sets and now they release the kernel source with patches already applied.Jun 19 14:44
schestowitzmaybe for added security they squeeze in thingsJun 19 14:44
DaemonFCschestowitzWell, if you compile the GPL'd source the same way they do, it turns into the same binary.Jun 19 14:44
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DaemonFCSo it's not closed source, but it's hard to see exactly what they've done.Jun 19 14:45
schestowitzyes, it isJun 19 14:45
DaemonFCThey did it to frustrate Oracle from what I can tell.Jun 19 14:45
schestowitzand sometimes the NSA bribes or blackmails engineersJun 19 14:45
schestowitzto insert what they will later call "oops" of "bug"Jun 19 14:45
schestowitzwe know this also because earlier this month Telegram's founder wrote something  to that effectJun 19 14:45
DaemonFCschestowitz: Well, it would have to be in the kernel source somewhere.Jun 19 14:45
MinceRthey did things to frustrate me as well, so fuck themJun 19 14:46
DaemonFCWithout knowing where to look, it would be hard to spot.Jun 19 14:46
DaemonFCAnd they could just say it was an accident if anyone noticed.Jun 19 14:46
schestowitzspeak to insiderJun 19 14:46
schestowitzesp. build teamJun 19 14:46
schestowitzthey know how it's doneJun 19 14:46
DaemonFCWell, after RHEL started doing this, Oracle Linux has had to ship two kernels.Jun 19 14:48
DaemonFCYou load one, it's RHEL compatible. You load the other, it's got all of Oracle's stuff.Jun 19 14:48
DaemonFCIt makes their distribution less valuable, because before they were taking the RHEL kernel and adding their own stuff to it and claiming that they had a RHEL compatible kernel with all of their stuff in it too.Jun 19 14:49
DaemonFCNow if you boot into the Oracle kernel, it's impossible to say whether it's *really* 100% compatible with RHEL.Jun 19 14:50
DaemonFCOracle says that it is, but users have found out otherwise in some cases.Jun 19 14:50
DaemonFCI'm not sure why people think that BtrFS is so great. If it's so great then why is it such a slug?Jun 19 14:51
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DaemonFCIt's not an answer to ZFS. That's why Ubuntu ships ZFS.Jun 19 14:51
DaemonFCThey package it wrong, but since when has that stopped them? :PJun 19 14:51
DaemonFCZFS doesn't have huge memory requirements. Or CPU requirements, for that matter. I was running it on a laptop with 1 GB of RAM and a Sempron 3000 Mobile processor a long time ago as part of OpenSolaris.Jun 19 14:52
MinceRonly if you enable the features that make zfs worth using? :>Jun 19 14:53
DaemonFCIf you don't use deduplication, you're fine.Jun 19 14:53
DaemonFCIf you do, then big memory is nice.Jun 19 14:53
DaemonFCAlso, ZFS makes some assumptions about the system that Linux has a hard time meeting.Jun 19 14:54
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DaemonFCSo if you are going to run ZFS, it's better to do it on 64-bit Linux.Jun 19 14:54
DaemonFCIt uses virtual address space heavily, which is normal in Solaris, but discouraged by Linux.Jun 19 14:54
DaemonFCSo other than that.... I mean, on a decent computer, you should be okay. The biggest pitfall is that Ubuntu will do something dumb and cause your data to be trashed.Jun 19 14:55
MinceR:>Jun 19 14:55
DaemonFCOr your machine to become unbootable if you put / on ZFS.Jun 19 14:55
DaemonFCThat was never supported by Ubuntu. Some people figured out how to do it anyway and got burned bad by Ubuntu 17.04.Jun 19 14:56
DaemonFCThe solution is, if you REALLY want ZFS on Ubuntu, put your /boot and / on another file system.Jun 19 14:57
DaemonFCYou could do Ext4 /boot, XFS /, ZFS /home.Jun 19 14:57
DaemonFCopenSUSE does something similar, only it's BtrFS for /home.Jun 19 14:58
DaemonFCI don't really want some exotic and barely tested file system running on a machine that I need to be stable though.Jun 19 14:59
DaemonFCThat's why I'm simply using Ext4 and leaving it alone.Jun 19 14:59
DaemonFCBtrFS is never going to be "ready" if by "ready" you mean "performs well".Jun 19 14:59
DaemonFCIt's got a ton of features built into the file system, but most of those features are available in Ext4 either in the file system, at the vfs level, or in the kernel's LVM, RAID, and drive encryption facilities.Jun 19 15:00
DaemonFCIf you need them.Jun 19 15:00
DaemonFCI have yet to see a benchmark where BtrFS is a well rounded file system that competes well with Ext4 or XFS.Jun 19 15:01
DaemonFCIt almost always beats them on things like sqlite, but loses badly on everything else.Jun 19 15:01
DaemonFCI honestly think at this point that we're more likely to see an Ext5 than have BtrFS become the standard Linux file system.Jun 19 15:02
DaemonFCExt4 is a really great file system. Even if you only mount your Ext3 file system with it and don't change the on disk format, you get a lot of wins.Jun 19 15:04
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DaemonFCExt2/3 do a lot of things very inefficiently, so just mounting them with the Ext4 driver (like Fedora does), you get a better block allocator and some other things.Jun 19 15:04
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DaemonFCWhere Ext3 might call the block allocator 100,000 different times to write one file and risk having the file get fragmented, Ext4 will use an extent, preallocate the space needed, and then call its multiblock allocator one time.Jun 19 15:06
DaemonFCSo I was thrilled to update to Ext4. In fact, I was using it when it was still not quite supported even by Fedora.Jun 19 15:07
MinceRyeah, and if you lose power, your filesystem will be hosedJun 19 15:08
MinceRbut oh look, it's so festJun 19 15:08
DaemonFCMinceR: Actually, this was fixed.Jun 19 15:10
DaemonFCit syncs the file system every 5 seconds or so. So it hasn't displayed the file loss behavior since around 2.6.28 iirc.Jun 19 15:10
DaemonFCAncient history.Jun 19 15:10
DaemonFCTed T'so was correct that it wasn't really the file system that was broken.Jun 19 15:11
DaemonFCApplications can always call sync, and they weren't always doing it and there was no reasonable expectation that all of them would be fixed.Jun 19 15:11
DaemonFCNow that Ext4 comes along and forces one every now and then, app developers are going to continue to expect that and they will make even more broken apps.Jun 19 15:12
MinceRyeah, only its default settings suck ass because of their stupid assumptionsJun 19 15:12
MinceRand because ricing is more important than safetyJun 19 15:12
DaemonFCWell, for lack of anything better. :PJun 19 15:13
DaemonFCJFS and ReiserFS are not an option.Jun 19 15:13
DaemonFCThey remain in the kernel because they still have some users, but they're not a good choice.Jun 19 15:13
MinceRwell, eventually it got to the point where if you're careful with your mount options, ext4 can actually work reliablyJun 19 15:13
DaemonFCThey also don't support SELinux file system labeling.Jun 19 15:13
MinceRbut i don't get why they had to go full retard after ext3Jun 19 15:13
MinceRhttp://direman.com/direman/comics/00001666.pngJun 19 15:14
DaemonFCJFS can delay writing indefinitely so it's conceivable that any amount of data could be lost.Jun 19 15:15
DaemonFCEnterprise file systems sometimes are designed like that on the assumption that you need high performance and you're going to have a battery backup on a system that uses it.Jun 19 15:15
DaemonFCAlso, there's one guy at IBM that works on JFS part-time.Jun 19 15:16
DaemonFCThat mostly means just making sure it doesn't break.Jun 19 15:16
MinceRif performance is infinitely more important than reliability, you might as well just store your data in /dev/nullJun 19 15:16
DaemonFCIt has been in maintenance mode ever since it was merged.Jun 19 15:16
MinceRit's really fastJun 19 15:16
DaemonFCMinceR: If you have backups and there's a UPS then it's less of a problem.Jun 19 15:17
DaemonFCJFS wasn't designed for your desktop computer.Jun 19 15:17
DaemonFCThere were actually two different JFS file systems that shared some common design.Jun 19 15:17
DaemonFCThe version in OS/2 and the version in AIX.Jun 19 15:18
DaemonFCThe version from AIX is what got GPL'd and merged into Linux.Jun 19 15:18
DaemonFCWhen Serenity Systems couldn't get IBM to open source the JFS for OS/2 code, they ended up getting rid of it and porting the version from Linux to eComStation (OS/2) as an Installable File System.Jun 19 15:19
DaemonFCIBM says that they won't ever be able to open source OS/2 even though they never plan to do anything with it again because much of the code is copyright Microsoft and Microsoft won't allow them to.Jun 19 15:20
DaemonFCMuch of the Microsoft OS/2 code ended up in Windows NT.Jun 19 15:20
DaemonFCThey had constant arguments between Microsoft and IBM. IBM would go and design something that was horribly bloated and then Microsoft would come by and optimize it, and IBM said that they were doing "negative work" because IBM considered development progress by number of source lines of code.Jun 19 15:21
MinceRi heard a different storyJun 19 15:22
DaemonFCThat's when Bill Gates made the comment that judging progress by lines of code is like saying you made the best airplane because it's really heavy.Jun 19 15:22
DaemonFCOr something like that.Jun 19 15:22
MinceRwhere IBM worked properly and documented their code properly while m$ just hacked some shit up without documentation and immediately forgot how it workedJun 19 15:22
DaemonFCMinceR: I wouldn't go that far.Jun 19 15:23
MinceRi'm not going to go to gates for software engineering adviceJun 19 15:23
DaemonFCThe leaked Windows 2000 source even shows that they aren't THAT bad.Jun 19 15:23
DaemonFCBut as time went on, they improved from where they were at with Win2K. Jun 19 15:23
DaemonFCThey moved app compatibility hacks out of the NT Kernel and into their own profiles.Jun 19 15:23
DaemonFCThat way they can just delete them later when the software in question is so old that nobody uses itJun 19 15:24
DaemonFCWithout having to remember which source code file they put it in.Jun 19 15:24
DaemonFCLinux has to implement some Windows-like behavior to run on PCs. Actually, a lot of Windows-like behavior, especially power management.Jun 19 15:26
DaemonFCDevice manufacturers frequently won't say how power management works, so the Windows driver *becomes* the documentation. :/Jun 19 15:26
MinceRthey even had app compatibility hacks in their kernelJun 19 15:26
MinceRand they proudly announced that they had a microkernel.Jun 19 15:27
DaemonFCThe NT kernel itself is pretty small.Jun 19 15:27
MinceRhttp://i.imgur.com/51EcTfM.jpgJun 19 15:27
MinceRoh, rightJun 19 15:27
DaemonFCThey're not counting things like pluggable APIs.Jun 19 15:27
MinceRbecause not everything that runs in kernel mode is the kernel, right?Jun 19 15:27
DaemonFCWhich they use to reimplement Linux on top of Windows right now.Jun 19 15:27
MinceRthat's some weapons grade bullshitting right thereJun 19 15:27
XRevan86MinceR: It is a pun or something?Jun 19 15:28
DaemonFClxcore.sys and lxsys.sys I think.Jun 19 15:28
MinceRXRevan86: "just let that sink in for a minute."Jun 19 15:28
MinceRXRevan86: or "let that sink in" or something like thatJun 19 15:28
DaemonFCThey said they have a clean room implementation of Linux services.Jun 19 15:28
XRevan86MinceR: Oh %)Jun 19 15:28
MinceRby the microsoft definition, every kernel is a microkernelJun 19 15:28
DaemonFCThere was at least one case where they were returning error messages where the real Linux kernel doesn't.Jun 19 15:28
MinceRyou just point to a single instruction somewhere and claim "this is the kernel, the rest isn't"Jun 19 15:28
DaemonFCThey said they decided to keep the behavior because it wasn't breaking anything that they knew of.Jun 19 15:28
DaemonFCSomeone replied that the Microsoft behavior actually stops metasploit modules from being loaded.Jun 19 15:29
DaemonFC:/Jun 19 15:29
DaemonFCI wonder if there's any desirable software that it breaks.Jun 19 15:29
MinceRlolJun 19 15:30
MinceRpresumably someone wrote metasploit not to use itJun 19 15:30
DaemonFCMinceR: I think the Microsoft membership on the Linux Foundation is a bribe so they get away with "Windows Subsystem for Linux" without being sued for trademark infringement.Jun 19 15:31
DaemonFCIt's actually NOT Linux at any point in the stack, but they pay the Linux Foundation $500,000 a year and they ignore it.Jun 19 15:31
DaemonFCEven more hilarious, Microsoft calls the rest of the stack "userspace Linux" when it's actually mostly GNU.Jun 19 15:32
XRevan86DaemonFC: GNU? What's that?Jun 19 15:32
DaemonFCLinux is a kernel. Userspace Linux? What's that?Jun 19 15:32
XRevan86Ain't know no GNUJun 19 15:32
XRevan86it's GPLv3, evil I tell yaJun 19 15:32
DaemonFCA more appropriate name might be GNU/Windows.Jun 19 15:32
XRevan86GNU is really not what Microsoft and Apple would like to work with.Jun 19 15:33
DaemonFCXRevan86: They do ship a LOT of software under the GPLv3 for "WSL".Jun 19 15:33
DaemonFCIncluding Bash....Jun 19 15:33
cubexyztivoization existsJun 19 15:33
MinceRXRevan86: that must be why one of their patsies is working on forcing systemd down our throatsJun 19 15:33
XRevan86DaemonFC: Yeah, they wouldn't if they could I bet though :)Jun 19 15:33
DaemonFCWell, they have to have it or the software won't run, but they HATE GNU and the GPL, expecially version 3.Jun 19 15:34
DaemonFCAs long as they comply with the license, there's not much the FSF could do about it.Jun 19 15:34
XRevan86DaemonFC: That's my point, yes.Jun 19 15:34
MinceRthey've put every call on dbus so the GPL doesn't force library users to be free softwareJun 19 15:34
XRevan86So why would they mention GNU in any way if they can not to.Jun 19 15:34
MinceRthere doesn't seem to be much the FSF _wants_ to do about itJun 19 15:34
MinceRdo they mention GNU?Jun 19 15:35
DaemonFCMinceR: Not on any of the Microsoft websites I've read. They call the GNU software "userspace Linux".Jun 19 15:35
MinceRlolJun 19 15:35
XRevan86MinceR: Why is that a problem? GPL for a library is pretty restrictive.Jun 19 15:35
MinceRXRevan86: because it is not what the author intendedJun 19 15:35
XRevan86MinceR: What author?Jun 19 15:36
MinceRXRevan86: whoever wrote the libraryJun 19 15:37
XRevan86I think I'm missing the point :)Jun 19 15:37
XRevan86MinceR: If the library is designed in a way it only can be linked, there you have it.Jun 19 15:37
MinceRhttp://www.businessinsider.com/photoshop-banknote-editing-restriction-2015-2Jun 19 15:37
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XRevan86you can't workaround author's intent like thatJun 19 15:38
MinceRsure you canJun 19 15:38
MinceRput a stub in there that converts the call interface to IPC or a network interface, and you're doneJun 19 15:38
MinceRguess what poettering is doing to all the interfaces he touches...Jun 19 15:39
XRevan86MinceR: Ah, I see.Jun 19 15:39
XRevan86One could do that without any help though then…Jun 19 15:39
XRevan86MinceR: System's "API" is not something that should enforce GPL though.Jun 19 15:40
MinceRit is something that should not even existJun 19 15:40
XRevan86MinceR: APIs shouldn't exist? o_0Jun 19 15:41
MinceRXRevan86: moving hostname and date to a dbus-dependent interface is a horribly stupid ideaJun 19 15:41
MinceRin part because dbus itself sucksJun 19 15:41
DaemonFCAn application doesn't become a derived work of the kernel simply for running on the OS in userspace.Jun 19 15:48
DaemonFCTorvalds has said this many, many times.Jun 19 15:48
DaemonFCYou become a derived work of the kernel when you run as part of the kernel.Jun 19 15:48
DaemonFCAnd for sure if you use any of the symbols marked only for GPL modules.Jun 19 15:49
DaemonFCOf course, Nvidia does this anyway and nobody stops them.Jun 19 15:49
DaemonFCThey lie and say they're a GPL module and gain access to the symbols and then load their shitty driver.Jun 19 15:49
DaemonFCPeople should really just buy Radeon and Intel graphics that have Free Software drivers throughout the stack. (Except for a little device microcode.)Jun 19 15:50
DaemonFCNot only does it work and stay working without fucking around with some out of tree module, you can even keep Secure Boot on if you want, and there are WAY fewer bugs with the running system.Jun 19 15:51
DaemonFCI've used Nvidia before, but only in the case when there was no way to really do Free drivers on Linux and run apps that needed high performance rendering.Jun 19 15:52
DaemonFCThe driver wasn't a pleasant experience.Jun 19 15:52
DaemonFCAfter you install proprietary drivers, you always get more system crashes.Jun 19 15:52
DaemonFCThey don't have to follow kernel cor X.org coding standards because they aren't part of the kernel or X.org. So they cut corners and abuse every resource they can find and make your system unstable and vulnerable to attacks that wouldn't work on a system with Free drivers.Jun 19 15:53
MinceRhttp://imgur.com/gallery/uTerIJun 19 15:57
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MinceR19 214757 < DaemonFC> An application doesn't become a derived work of the kernel simply for running on the OS in userspace.Jun 19 15:57
MinceRwho said it did?Jun 19 15:57
DaemonFCYou said dbus was an end run around the GPL.Jun 19 16:00
MinceRwhere did i mention the kernel?Jun 19 16:01
DaemonFCHmmm, maybe I misunderstood.Jun 19 16:01
DaemonFCI'm not sure that bypassing linking by communicating over dbus to avoid the GPL would hold up in court.Jun 19 16:02
DaemonFCIt might, but you're in uncharted territory there.Jun 19 16:02
TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     https://twitter.com/AlejosAngel/status/876883909455351812Jun 19 16:05
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TweetTuxMachines @AlejosAngel    2.4.25 & #MariaDB 10.2.6 https://t.co/Xky4vyneU2Jun 19 16:05
TweetTuxMachines                 (www.tuxmachines.org) #gnu #linuxJun 19 16:05
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MinceRhttp://i.imgur.com/uq7Ssi0.gifvJun 19 16:47
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oiaohmDaemonFC: Nvidia gets around it by a condition in GPL called derived.   The binary blob in Nvidia driver does not use a single header or structure from the Linux kernel.   The wrapper of the nvidia driver is GPL and open source.  The wrapper is using headers from the blob.   So this way GPL wrapper driver is derived  from the blob not the blob derived from GPL work.Jun 19 18:05
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DaemonFChttps://lwn.net/Articles/725657/Jun 19 19:00
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Linux 4.11.6 [LWN.net]Jun 19 19:00
DaemonFCImportant update for Intel graphics users. Eight bugs in i915 fixed.Jun 19 19:00
DaemonFCxfs: fix spurious spin_is_locked() assert failures on non-smp kernelsJun 19 19:03
DaemonFCSomeone had CONFIG_DEBUG_SPINLOCK on on a non-smp kernel?Jun 19 19:04
DaemonFC:/Jun 19 19:04
DaemonFCWell, nice catch anyway. Wow.Jun 19 19:04
DaemonFCThat's from the Linux 4.12-rc6 notes.Jun 19 19:04
DaemonFCRyan Farmer1 min · Chicago · The Supreme Court issued two important rulings today:1. The US federal government can't deny you a trademark solely because someone might be offended by it.2. Sex offenders can't be banned from social media. (Unanimous)The government argued in the first case that trademarks are government speech. Justice Alito, who I often disagree with, issued the court's written opinion, and it was fantastic. It eJun 19 19:22
DaemonFCnded with "Was the government trying to warn people of an impending cataclysmic event when it allowed the 'End Times Ministries' trademark?".Jun 19 19:22
oiaohmDaemonFC: non smp kernel would be something like a single core cpu nas.Jun 19 19:30
oiaohmDaemonFC: I know a few of them one was using zfs on raid 0 just to be super scary.Jun 19 19:30
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DaemonFCMicrosoft Update Servers Left All Azure RHEL Instances Hackable > Microsoft Exec Urges Linux Developers To Try Windows 10Jun 19 20:01
cubexyzba-hahahaJun 19 20:01
cubexyzhow about no?Jun 19 20:02
cubexyzextinguish attempt: failedJun 19 20:03
cubexyzadding Microsoft components to a Linux machine is just stupidJun 19 20:06
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cubexyzeveryone i've talked to thought win10 was a giant turdJun 19 20:15
cubexyztwo examples:Jun 19 20:15
cubexyzhttp://www.maxhost.org/other/more-win10-fun.txtJun 19 20:15
cubexyzhttp://www.maxhost.org/other/windows-10-botch-up.txtJun 19 20:15
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oiaohmcubexyz: I know a lot running into windows 10 due to cpu support issue.Jun 19 20:15
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cubexyzI update my computer Jun 19 20:15
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oiaohmcubexyz: https://www.intel.com/content/www/us/en/support/processors/000006105.html that is the problem.Jun 19 20:16
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Intel® Processor Support for Microsoft Windows® 10 [ http://ur1.ca/r0x9p ]Jun 19 20:16
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oiaohmA lot of people running windows 7 and 8 got free upgraded to windows 10 when they have unsupported CPUs.Jun 19 20:16
oiaohmThat is just mega goof.Jun 19 20:16
cubexyznot to mention the baked-in crap that intel is doingJun 19 20:17
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oiaohm3rd Generation Intel® Core™ Processors do look at that line and the ** clean install of Windows 10 on that is unstable you have to install 7 or 8 first then upgrade.Jun 19 20:18
oiaohmSo picky CPU support is not helping those who upgrade hardware.Jun 19 20:18
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oiaohmOr deploy volume licenses.Jun 19 20:19
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schestowitz[01:01] <DaemonFC> Microsoft Update Servers Left All Azure RHEL Instances Hackable > Microsoft Exec Urges Linux Developers To Try Windows 10Jun 19 20:21
schestowitzEEEJun 19 20:21
schestowitzthird e is "exterminate"Jun 19 20:21
XRevan86seek, locateJun 19 20:23
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TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     https://twitter.com/tuxmachines/status/876960611133005826Jun 19 20:32
TweetTuxMachines                 Why the last thing open source needs is more corporateJun 19 20:32
TweetTuxMachines                 oversight https://t.co/iW1MdeDwO0 (www.tuxmachines.org)Jun 19 20:32
TweetTuxMachines                 #freeswJun 19 20:32
TweetTuxMachines Jun 19 20:32
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Why the last thing open source needs is more corporate oversight | Tux MachinesJun 19 20:32
TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     https://twitter.com/tuxmachines/status/876960900732858369Jun 19 20:33
TweetTuxMachines                 #CentOS Linux Now Offers Official CentOS #Vagrant Images Jun 19 20:34
TweetTuxMachines                 https://t.co/NihAxcEnSX (www.tuxmachines.org) #redhatJun 19 20:34
TweetTuxMachines                 #gnu #linuxJun 19 20:34
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*TweetTuxMachines @schestowitz retweeted @tuxmachines: 'Why the last thing open source needs is...'Jun 19 20:34
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | CentOS Linux Now Offers Official CentOS Vagrant Images for the Hyper-V Provider | Tux MachinesJun 19 20:34
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schestowitzXFaCE: that's the busters' sloganJun 19 20:45
schestowitzxraven i meanJun 19 20:45
schestowitzbut xrevan is gone nowJun 19 20:45
*TweetTuxMachines @schestowitz retweeted @tuxmachines: '#CentOS Linux Now Offers Official CentOS #Vagrant Images...'Jun 19 20:46
*TweetTuxMachines @tuxmachines favourited '@realDonaldTrump How many more people need to die...'Jun 19 20:46
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TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     https://twitter.com/vee_liang/status/876967760860815362Jun 19 21:01
TweetTuxMachines retweeted by    #TheSSS 22.0 Linux Server Out with Kernel 4.9.13, #ApacheJun 19 21:01
TweetTuxMachines @vee_liang      2.4.25 & #MariaDB 10.2.6 https://t.co/Xky4vyneU2Jun 19 21:01
TweetTuxMachines                 (www.tuxmachines.org) #gnu #linuxJun 19 21:01
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | TheSSS 22.0 Linux Server Out with Kernel 4.9.13, Apache 2.4.25 & MariaDB 10.2.6 | Tux MachinesJun 19 21:01
TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     https://twitter.com/tuxmachines/status/876968078663450624Jun 19 21:02
TweetTuxMachines                 Games: Neil deGrasse Tyson's #SpaceOdyssey, Ken Follett'sJun 19 21:02
TweetTuxMachines                 The Pillars of the Earth, and MoreJun 19 21:02
TweetTuxMachines                 https://t.co/XMncPn11Gr (www.tuxmachines.org) #gnu #linuxJun 19 21:02
TweetTuxMachines                 #gamesJun 19 21:02
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Games: Neil deGrasse Tyson's Space Odyssey, Ken Follett's The Pillars of the Earth, and More | Tux MachinesJun 19 21:03
TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     https://twitter.com/tuxmachines/status/876968510202707968Jun 19 21:03
TweetTuxMachines                 Graphics: #Nouveau, Radeon RADV, #Radeon #RADV, andJun 19 21:03
TweetTuxMachines                 #AMDGPU https://t.co/B2fqGuw3Tt (www.tuxmachines.org)Jun 19 21:03
TweetTuxMachines                 #graphics #linuxJun 19 21:04
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*TweetTuxMachines @schestowitz retweeted @tuxmachines: 'Games: Neil deGrasse Tyson's #SpaceOdyssey, Ken Follett's The...'Jun 19 21:04
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Graphics: Nouveau, Radeon RADV, Radeon RADV, and AMDGPU | Tux MachinesJun 19 21:04
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DaemonFCHmm, my graphics have some new issues after that kernel update.Jun 19 21:06
DaemonFCMaybe I should go back to 4.11.5 for a while.Jun 19 21:06
TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     https://twitter.com/tuxmachines/status/876969441938087936Jun 19 21:09
TweetTuxMachines                 #Manjaro 17.0.2-rc2 released (G,K,X) Jun 19 21:09
TweetTuxMachines                 https://t.co/tyfo0esTC4 (www.tuxmachines.org) Jun 19 21:09
TweetTuxMachines                 #ManjaroLinux #gnu #linuxJun 19 21:09
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Manjaro 17.0.2-rc2 released (G,K,X) | Tux MachinesJun 19 21:09
oiaohmDaemonFC: they call it bleeding edge for a reason.Jun 19 21:21
DaemonFC4.11.6 was just a bugfix update.Jun 19 21:22
*TweetTuxMachines @schestowitz retweeted @tuxmachines: '#Manjaro 17.0.2-rc2 released (G,K,X) https://t.co/tyfo0esTC4 #ManjaroLinux...'Jun 19 21:24
TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     https://twitter.com/tuxmachines/status/876973889510887425Jun 19 21:25
TweetTuxMachines                 #Canonical, #Ubuntu, #Unity, #KeePassXC #Snap, and #MAASJun 19 21:25
TweetTuxMachines                 https://t.co/Ja3MsHBWnC (www.tuxmachines.org) #gnu #linuxJun 19 21:25
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Canonical, Ubuntu, Unity, KeePassXC Snap, and MAAS | Tux MachinesJun 19 21:25
*TweetTuxMachines @schestowitz retweeted @tuxmachines: '#Canonical, #Ubuntu, #Unity, #KeePassXC #Snap, and #MAAS https://t.co/Ja3MsHBWnC...'Jun 19 21:25
schestowitzDaemonFC: why swap kernels?Jun 19 21:25
schestowitzare you after some cutting-edge features?Jun 19 21:25
DaemonFCschestowitz: Nah, it seemed pretty safe and said that it fixed 8 bugs with Intel graphics. Smallish release, really.Jun 19 21:29
DaemonFCOther than that, it was only a few patches, like to fix mounting FAT volumes created under FreeBSD.Jun 19 21:29
DaemonFCI think that Greg KH pushed it out because of the Intel graphics fixes.Jun 19 21:30
DaemonFCNow there seem to be some problems with XWayland that weren't there before. Jun 19 21:30
DaemonFCLike, you sometimes close Firefox or Pidgin and the app closes, but the X server that was attached to them doesn't tear down and close the window. :PJun 19 21:31
DaemonFCGiven that upgrading from 4.11.5 to 4.11.6 was the only change to my system today, I think that's probably what did it.Jun 19 21:31
DaemonFCschestowitz: But in general, yeah, I like the latest kernel. Intel is still rolling out new Skylake features.Jun 19 21:32
DaemonFCNot at the pace they were in previous releases, but it's like 1-2 things getting flipped on that make the graphics or power management work a little better in each new major kernel release now. So finishing touches, really.Jun 19 21:33
DaemonFCBut you really need to be running 4.10 if you don't want excessive power drain or missing wifi driver.Jun 19 21:33
DaemonFC(At least on this laptop.)Jun 19 21:34
DaemonFCI think the missing wifi driver was added in 4.8, but power management wasn't working reliably until 4.10.Jun 19 21:34
DaemonFCThat's why distributions like Debian never work out well for me.Jun 19 21:35
DaemonFCThey pick a kernel and the distribution is basically frozen in time for a couple of years.Jun 19 21:35
DaemonFCThey do backport kernels but then say that you may not get good security support for them.Jun 19 21:36
DaemonFCSo it doesn't sound like something you want to run.Jun 19 21:36
DaemonFCBackports is made to sound pretty scary.Jun 19 21:36
TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     https://twitter.com/tuxmachines/status/876976956948000768Jun 19 21:36
TweetTuxMachines                 #GNOME News: #Nautilus and T4G-V2 https://t.co/Xt7iKSWk2kJun 19 21:36
TweetTuxMachines                 (www.tuxmachines.org) #gnu #linuxJun 19 21:36
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | GNOME News: Nautilus and T4G-V2 | Tux MachinesJun 19 21:36
*TweetTuxMachines @schestowitz retweeted @tuxmachines: '#GNOME News: #Nautilus and T4G-V2 https://t.co/Xt7iKSWk2k #gnu #linux'Jun 19 21:41
cubexyzwow, archive.org got 1924 toronto directoryJun 19 21:47
cubexyzsarcastic :)Jun 19 21:47
cubexyzonly 93 years old, are the copyright maximalists sure it's old enough?Jun 19 21:47
*TweetTuxMachines @Pros_P33 retweeted @tuxmachines: '#GNOME News: #Nautilus and T4G-V2 https://t.co/Xt7iKSWk2k #gnu #linux'Jun 19 21:48
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DaemonFCBack to the X Server for me. :PJun 19 23:01
DaemonFCThought I'd try Wayland out again after some updates.Jun 19 23:01
DaemonFCIt's just hell on wheels right now except for Gnome apps.Jun 19 23:02
DaemonFCschestowitz: Looks like they're keeping Mono updated in Fedora.Jun 19 23:12
DaemonFCDesktop apps using it are getting pretty crusty.Jun 19 23:12
DaemonFCThey all got abandoned around two years ago, it seems.Jun 19 23:12
TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     https://twitter.com/cybershellsec/status/876980028864593920Jun 19 23:30
TweetTuxMachines retweeted by    #Manjaro 17.0.2-rc2 released (G,K,X) Jun 19 23:30
TweetTuxMachines @cybershellsec  https://t.co/tyfo0esTC4 (www.tuxmachines.org) Jun 19 23:30
TweetTuxMachines                 #ManjaroLinux #gnu #linuxJun 19 23:30
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Manjaro 17.0.2-rc2 released (G,K,X) | Tux MachinesJun 19 23:30
DaemonFCschestowitz: Google says "New sign in from Safari on Linux".Jun 19 23:47
DaemonFCYou can't tell me that nobody at Google has heard of Gnome.Jun 19 23:47
DaemonFChttp://www.tuxmachines.org/node/102179Jun 19 23:48
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Canonical, Ubuntu, Unity, KeePassXC Snap, and MAAS | Tux MachinesJun 19 23:48
DaemonFCschestowitz: Maybe better not to recommend Ubuntu.Jun 19 23:48
DaemonFCTheir "Intellectual Property Agreement" is getting to be a pretty nasty EULA.Jun 19 23:49
DaemonFCAsking people to respect your trademarks is fine, but they go way further.Jun 19 23:49
DaemonFCThey also mention "Ubuntu Patents".Jun 19 23:49
DaemonFCI think Linux Mint is okay as long as it's the Debian Edition.Jun 19 23:51
DaemonFCThey've basically taken Debian Testing and made a easy version for it that rolls.Jun 19 23:51
DaemonFCBut not to the point where a broken package is likely to get in.Jun 19 23:51
DaemonFCSo LMDE should probably be the default, but they seem to just be keeping their options open.Jun 19 23:51
DaemonFCAs Canonical gets nastier, that's a good idea.Jun 19 23:52
DaemonFCHopefulyl it won't be too hard to upgrade an in place system to the Debian Edition later.Jun 19 23:52
DaemonFChttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MQLbakWESkw&list=PLuKg-WhduhkksJoqkj9aJEnN7v0mx8yxC&index=1Jun 20 00:00
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Electric Cars Aren't As Green As You Think - YouTube [ http://ur1.ca/r0yft ]Jun 20 00:00
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DaemonFChttps://blogs.gnome.org/ernestask/2017/03/03/autoconf-and-meson-walk-into-a-bar/Jun 20 00:49
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-blogs.gnome.org | Autoconf and Meson walk into a bar… – another “another GNOME blog” [ http://ur1.ca/r0yoz ]Jun 20 00:49
DaemonFCGetting rid of Autocrap. Whoop! Whoop!Jun 20 00:49
DaemonFChttps://www.theregister.co.uk/2016/11/28/microsoft_update_servers_left_all_azure_rhel_instances_hackable/Jun 20 00:57
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.theregister.co.uk | Microsoft update servers left all Azure RHEL instances hackable • The Register [ http://ur1.ca/qohsg ]Jun 20 00:57
DaemonFChttps://www.theregister.co.uk/2017/05/29/microsoft_out_of_band_patches/Jun 20 00:59
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.theregister.co.uk | Microsoft patched more Malware Protection Engine bugs last week • The Register [ http://ur1.ca/r0yqw ]Jun 20 00:59
MinceRhttp://www.smbc-comics.com/comic/the-nature-of-weeniesJun 20 01:28
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.smbc-comics.com | Saturday Morning Breakfast Cereal - The Nature of Weenies [ http://ur1.ca/r0ywf ]Jun 20 01:28
MinceRmeson works? just wait until the gnome/"free"desktop/systemd guys get their hands on it.Jun 20 01:30
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MinceRhttp://www.smbc-comics.com/comic/damselJun 20 02:18
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MinceRhttps://www.theregister.co.uk/2017/06/16/bofh_2017_episode_7/Jun 20 02:26
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.theregister.co.uk | BOFH: Halon is not a rad new vape flavour • The Register [ http://ur1.ca/r0z56 ]Jun 20 02:26
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schestowitztessier_: serve down againJun 20 03:12
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schestowitzfinally backJun 20 06:11
schestowitzf*ing hardware failureJun 20 06:11
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__martin__http://www.reuters.com/article/us-microsoft-accenture-digitalid-idUSKBN19A22BJun 20 07:41
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Accenture, Microsoft team up on blockchain-based digital ID network | Reuters [ http://ur1.ca/r10rj ]Jun 20 07:41
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schestowitzmehJun 20 07:43
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schestowitz> Here's today's batch.  We're ramping up for Midsummer.Jun 20 10:16
schestowitz> Jun 20 10:16
schestowitz> About censorship or "filtering", I wish Falkvinge or an active PP memberJun 20 10:16
schestowitz> would write (again) about /why/ Sweden has had the Freedom ofJun 20 10:16
schestowitz> Information baked into its very constitution since 1766.  Basically,Jun 20 10:16
schestowitz> prior to that one political group held the government under their powerJun 20 10:16
schestowitz> and used it their control choke off access as much as possible toJun 20 10:16
schestowitz> opponents.  When a different bloc gained power they redid theJun 20 10:16
schestowitz> constitution to include what powers they would accept if their opponentsJun 20 10:16
schestowitz> regained power.Jun 20 10:16
schestowitz> Jun 20 10:16
schestowitz> People should have re-learned that same lesson regarding Obama and hisJun 20 10:16
schestowitz> surveillance programmes.  In regards to the Internet, it is moreJun 20 10:16
schestowitz> critical and people should be thinking further ahead than just theJun 20 10:16
schestowitz> current political constellation and their chief opponents gain power.Jun 20 10:16
schestowitz> Control of the Internet is amounts to the ability to control or prohibitJun 20 10:16
schestowitz> peaceable assembly.  Yet sheeple act as if they think that somehow justJun 20 10:16
schestowitz> their own communications, and only their communications, will be exemptJun 20 10:16
schestowitz> from the restrictions they plan to put in place.  History, new and old,Jun 20 10:16
schestowitz> has shown them to be wrong.Jun 20 10:16
schestowitzYou really ought to write short blog posts about those things as they deserve a wider audience, even is publicised anonymously.Jun 20 10:16
TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     https://twitter.com/tuxmachines/status/877170282510901249Jun 20 10:25
TweetTuxMachines                 #gnu #linux Games: #WildTerra Online, Paradigm,Jun 20 10:25
TweetTuxMachines                 #GemstoneKeeper, and #ScrapGarden https://t.co/9bTHXWk9guJun 20 10:25
TweetTuxMachines                 (www.tuxmachines.org)  #games #gamingJun 20 10:25
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Games: Wild Terra Online, Paradigm, Gemstone Keeper, and Scrap Garden | Tux MachinesJun 20 10:25
*TweetTuxMachines @schestowitz retweeted @tuxmachines: '#gnu #linux Games: #WildTerra Online, Paradigm, #GemstoneKeeper, and...'Jun 20 10:26
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MinceRhttps://www.upguard.com/breaches/the-rnc-filesJun 20 10:49
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.upguard.com | The RNC Files: Inside the Largest US Voter Data Leak [ http://ur1.ca/r12jk ]Jun 20 10:49
*TweetTuxMachines @softlockup favourited '#gnu #linux Games: #WildTerra Online, Paradigm, #GemstoneKeeper, and...'Jun 20 11:02
*TweetTuxMachines @UBports favourited '#UBports is keeping the #UbuntuPhone dream alive (through...'Jun 20 11:10
TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     https://twitter.com/tuxmachines/status/877181895225856000Jun 20 11:11
TweetTuxMachines                 News and e-press echos after #EUPL v1.2 publicationJun 20 11:11
TweetTuxMachines                 https://t.co/nKYdg9XXoG (www.tuxmachines.org) #gplJun 20 11:11
TweetTuxMachines                 #freesw #gplv3 #eu #europeJun 20 11:11
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TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     https://twitter.com/owlbelief/status/877183596762714113Jun 20 11:30
TweetTuxMachines retweeted by    News and e-press echos after #EUPL v1.2 publicationJun 20 11:30
TweetTuxMachines @owlbelief      https://t.co/nKYdg9XXoG (www.tuxmachines.org) #gplJun 20 11:30
TweetTuxMachines                 #freesw #gplv3 #eu #europeJun 20 11:30
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TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     https://twitter.com/tuxmachines/status/877186692423307264Jun 20 11:34
TweetTuxMachines                 #SUSE release Container-as-a-Service PlatformJun 20 11:34
TweetTuxMachines                 https://t.co/RFX74guy5q (www.tuxmachines.org) #containerJun 20 11:34
TweetTuxMachines                 #gnu #linux #freesw #serverJun 20 11:34
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | SUSE release Container-as-a-Service Platform | Tux MachinesJun 20 11:34
*TweetTuxMachines @schestowitz retweeted @tuxmachines: '#SUSE release Container-as-a-Service Platform https://t.co/RFX74guy5q #container #gnu #linux...'Jun 20 11:36
TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     https://twitter.com/tuxmachines/status/877188489590296576Jun 20 11:38
TweetTuxMachines                 #Canonical Outs Major #Security Updates for All SupportedJun 20 11:38
TweetTuxMachines                 #Ubuntu Linux Releases https://t.co/AuVimpDC5tJun 20 11:38
TweetTuxMachines                 (www.tuxmachines.org)Jun 20 11:38
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TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     https://twitter.com/tuxmachines/status/877188842129960962Jun 20 11:39
TweetTuxMachines                 NetBSD Image for Raspberry Pi Updated to ImproveJun 20 11:39
TweetTuxMachines                 Raspberry Pi 3 Boot Support https://t.co/EJd2EZCOuDJun 20 11:39
TweetTuxMachines                 (www.tuxmachines.org) #bsd #unix #netbsd #raspiJun 20 11:39
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*TweetTuxMachines @schestowitz retweeted @tuxmachines: '#Canonical Outs Major #Security Updates for All Supported...'Jun 20 11:39
*TweetTuxMachines @schestowitz retweeted @tuxmachines: 'NetBSD Image for Raspberry Pi Updated to Improve...'Jun 20 11:39
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Canonical Outs Major Security Updates for All Supported Ubuntu Linux Releases | Tux MachinesJun 20 11:39
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | NetBSD Image for Raspberry Pi Updated to Improve Raspberry Pi 3 Boot Support | Tux MachinesJun 20 11:39
*TweetTuxMachines @io_r_us retweeted @tuxmachines: 'NetBSD Image for Raspberry Pi Updated to Improve...'Jun 20 11:39
*TweetTuxMachines @MariusNestor favourited '#Canonical Outs Major #Security Updates for All Supported...'Jun 20 11:39
*TweetTuxMachines @MariusNestor favourited 'NetBSD Image for Raspberry Pi Updated to Improve...'Jun 20 11:41
TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     https://twitter.com/tuxmachines/status/877189591278682112Jun 20 11:44
TweetTuxMachines                 Q.bo One open source robot launches for DIYersJun 20 11:44
TweetTuxMachines                 https://t.co/bWzI5N5N8C (www.tuxmachines.org) #qboJun 20 11:44
TweetTuxMachines                 #robotics #raspi #linux #arduino #gnu #freeswJun 20 11:44
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Q.bo One open source robot launches for DIYers | Tux MachinesJun 20 11:44
TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     https://twitter.com/tuxmachines/status/877190283066314753Jun 20 11:44
TweetTuxMachines                 #Firefox on #Android https://t.co/IpM2QAd0KLJun 20 11:44
TweetTuxMachines                 (www.tuxmachines.org) #mozilla #google #freesw #wwwJun 20 11:44
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Firefox on Android | Tux MachinesJun 20 11:44
*TweetTuxMachines @PartnerEng favourited '#SUSE release Container-as-a-Service Platform https://t.co/RFX74guy5q #container #gnu #linux...'Jun 20 11:48
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | SUSE release Container-as-a-Service Platform | Tux MachinesJun 20 11:48
*TweetTuxMachines @schestowitz retweeted @tuxmachines: 'Q.bo One open source robot launches for DIYers...'Jun 20 11:48
*TweetTuxMachines @schestowitz retweeted @tuxmachines: '#Firefox on #Android https://t.co/IpM2QAd0KL #mozilla #google #freesw #www'Jun 20 11:49
TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     https://twitter.com/tuxmachines/status/877191760019156992Jun 20 11:54
TweetTuxMachines                 #Androidx86 Fork Lets Users Install and Run #AndroidJun 20 11:54
TweetTuxMachines                 7.1.2 #Nougat on Their PCs https://t.co/npmO3rtjuEJun 20 11:54
TweetTuxMachines                 (www.tuxmachines.org) #raspand #linux #raspiJun 20 11:54
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Android-x86 Fork Lets Users Install and Run Android 7.1.2 Nougat on Their PCs | Tux MachinesJun 20 11:54
*TweetTuxMachines @schestowitz retweeted @tuxmachines: '#Androidx86 Fork Lets Users Install and Run #Android...'Jun 20 11:54
*TweetTuxMachines @MariusNestor favourited '#Androidx86 Fork Lets Users Install and Run #Android...'Jun 20 11:58
*TweetTuxMachines @softpedialinux favourited '#Canonical Outs Major #Security Updates for All Supported...'Jun 20 11:58
*TweetTuxMachines @softpedialinux favourited '#Androidx86 Fork Lets Users Install and Run #Android...'Jun 20 11:58
*TweetTuxMachines @softpedialinux favourited 'NetBSD Image for Raspberry Pi Updated to Improve...'Jun 20 12:18
TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     https://twitter.com/tuxmachines/status/877199033521106944Jun 20 12:22
TweetTuxMachines                 Leftovers: #FOSS and #Sharing https://t.co/J4WaukzhxaJun 20 12:22
TweetTuxMachines                 (www.tuxmachines.org) #freesw #univa #dgplugJun 20 12:22
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Leftovers: OSS and Sharing | Tux MachinesJun 20 12:22
TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     https://twitter.com/tuxmachines/status/877199860784652289Jun 20 12:24
TweetTuxMachines                 today's #tuxmachines leftovers https://t.co/TaR3fg4sXsJun 20 12:24
TweetTuxMachines                 (www.tuxmachines.org)Jun 20 12:24
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | today's leftovers | Tux MachinesJun 20 12:24
*TweetTuxMachines @schestowitz retweeted @tuxmachines: 'Leftovers: #FOSS and #Sharing https://t.co/J4Waukzhxa #freesw #univa #dgplug'Jun 20 12:25
*TweetTuxMachines @schestowitz retweeted @tuxmachines: 'today's #tuxmachines leftovers https://t.co/TaR3fg4sXs'Jun 20 12:26
TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     https://twitter.com/tuxmachines/status/877200847087841280Jun 20 12:26
TweetTuxMachines                 Links 20/6/2017: Chuwi Lapbook, Linux 4.12 RC6, MesaJun 20 12:26
TweetTuxMachines                 17.1.3 https://t.co/pVZIKo4ohT (techrights.org)Jun 20 12:26
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MinceRhttp://www.smbc-comics.com/comic/final-wishesJun 20 12:37
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.smbc-comics.com | Saturday Morning Breakfast Cereal - Final WishesJun 20 12:37
MinceRhttps://www.rferl.org/a/russia-putin-decries-excessive-demonization-stalin/28559464.htmlJun 20 12:52
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.rferl.org | Putin Accuses Russia's Foes Of 'Excessive Demonization' Of StalinJun 20 12:52
schestowitzWould Stalin accuse the US of demonising Putler?Jun 20 13:01
MinceRapparently soJun 20 13:04
MinceRhis butt hurts because his great idol is "excessively" demonizedJun 20 13:04
MinceRi'm not sure how the georgian butcher can be "excessively" demonized, or demonized at allJun 20 13:04
MinceRone of the most horrible humans to ever liveJun 20 13:05
MinceRand that's quite the achievementJun 20 13:05
schestowitzworse than Hitler?Jun 20 13:08
schestowitzI wonder how the West thought at the timeJun 20 13:08
schestowitznot after the war was over and history was updatedJun 20 13:08
schestowitzmy understanding is that the West was more worried about the Bolsheviks and before the wars Hitler was viewed more as an ally against CommunismJun 20 13:09
MinceRnot sureJun 20 13:10
MinceRwell, the west loved the russians for a whileJun 20 13:10
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MinceRthey only thought of them as allies against the germans and the japaneseJun 20 13:10
MinceRtook them way too long that they were the same shit in different colorJun 20 13:10
MinceRand even then they didn't careJun 20 13:10
MinceRnobody helped hungarians in 1956, for exampleJun 20 13:11
TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     https://twitter.com/chandanghodela/status/877211977768091648Jun 20 13:11
TweetTuxMachines retweeted by    #Security Leftovers https://t.co/xGX9fg4WaZJun 20 13:11
TweetTuxMachines @chandanghodela  (www.tuxmachines.org) #raspi #wannacry #microsoftJun 20 13:11
TweetTuxMachines                 #windows #nhs #ubuntu #gnu #linux #freeswJun 20 13:11
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Security Leftovers | Tux MachinesJun 20 13:11
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MinceRbut then again, maybe it would have been a waste of effort anywayJun 20 13:11
MinceRconsidering what hungarians did in 2010 to the freedom that fell in their lapsJun 20 13:11
XRevan86https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Munich_AgreementJun 20 13:12
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-en.wikipedia.org | Munich Agreement - WikipediaJun 20 13:12
MinceRhttp://i.imgur.com/kMKS6Pj.jpgJun 20 13:15
*TweetTuxMachines @tuxmachines favourited '@JulianAssange Classic from 10 years ago: https://t.co/dfOJXs8GFD'Jun 20 13:17
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.nytimes.com | Apple Rumor Site to Shut Down in Settlement - The New York TimesJun 20 13:17
MinceRhttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Molotov%E2%80%93Ribbentrop_PactJun 20 13:20
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-en.wikipedia.org | Molotov–Ribbentrop Pact - Wikipedia [ http://ur1.ca/ogrve ]Jun 20 13:20
MinceRhttp://i.imgur.com/pCSToT8.png   (gallery: http://imgur.com/gallery/qvZ0w )Jun 20 13:22
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Bear with me.. - Album on ImgurJun 20 13:22
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TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     https://twitter.com/chandanghodela/status/877213726868357120Jun 20 13:38
TweetTuxMachines retweeted by    #Security Leftovers https://t.co/W0xwewavBSJun 20 13:38
TweetTuxMachines @chandanghodela  (www.tuxmachines.org) #wannacry #unix #gnu #linuxJun 20 13:38
TweetTuxMachines                 #windows #microsoft #container #synologyJun 20 13:38
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Security Leftovers | Tux MachinesJun 20 13:38
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MinceRhttp://imgur.com/gallery/AZAV5Jun 20 13:39
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Oh! - Album on ImgurJun 20 13:39
*TweetTuxMachines @tuxmachines favourited '@wikileaks What a waste of money on lawyers...'Jun 20 13:49
MinceRhttp://imgur.com/gallery/xiBRdJun 20 13:50
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-I secretly planted a Giant Sequoia tree in My Mayor's Yard for Revenge after he Killed My Tree, Clyde. - Album on ImgurJun 20 13:50
DaemonFCRyan FarmerJust now · Apple will force 2FA on iCloud accounts. How many years since The Fappening?Jun 20 13:52
MinceRforcing is the only thing they care to doJun 20 13:53
MinceRjust like microsoft and red hatJun 20 13:53
DaemonFCRyan FarmerJust now · Apple computers targeted by spyware and ransomware according to the BBC.Also bitcoin miners. An individual Mac isn't very powerful, but when you have an entire botnet full of them, you can make some serious scratch while the users just wonder why their stupid Mac is burning up hot and slower than normal.Jun 20 13:54
MinceRthey should have got used to itJun 20 13:55
MinceRcrApple isn't exactly good at cooling systemsJun 20 13:55
DaemonFCMinceR: Gnome uses Webkit2 now. I've set up SELinux so that most things on my computer can't use the ptrace() system call.Jun 20 13:55
MinceRhttp://imgur.com/gallery/IdozDJun 20 13:56
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-My brother died - Album on ImgurJun 20 13:56
MinceRDaemonFC: i suspect Blink would be betterJun 20 13:56
DaemonFCI suppose that means that if a Web Content process had a malicious script escape the sandbox that it couldn't attach to another Web Content process and read its memory or modify it.Jun 20 13:56
DaemonFCMinceR: Apparently, Apple has a new file systemJun 20 13:58
DaemonFCAPFSJun 20 13:58
MinceRoohJun 20 13:58
MinceRoh, i saw an article about itJun 20 13:59
MinceRhttps://eclecticlight.co/2017/04/06/apfs-is-currently-unusable-with-most-non-english-languages/Jun 20 13:59
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-eclecticlight.co | APFS is currently unusable with most non-English languages – The Eclectic Light Company [ http://ur1.ca/r13we ]Jun 20 13:59
DaemonFCIt sounded like ZFS, but not as good.Jun 20 13:59
DaemonFCApple enabled ZFS on earlier Beta builds of OS X but then yanked it back out, to the dismay of people who had already installed OS X to it.Jun 20 14:00
DaemonFCWell, on one hand, it serves them right for enabling an experiment on a production system... :)Jun 20 14:01
DaemonFCApple never said it was going to land in a release version of OS X.Jun 20 14:01
DaemonFCI'm sure that Linux could do ZFS right if anyone cared enough to, but it's never going to be mainlined. Jun 20 14:02
DaemonFCUbuntu will have to carry it by itself.Jun 20 14:02
DaemonFCFor all the shit they've just taken on, they might as well have integrated Reiser4.Jun 20 14:02
DaemonFCAt least it was designed for Linux.Jun 20 14:02
DaemonFCAt least it is under the GPL.Jun 20 14:02
MinceR"production system" running macos?Jun 20 14:03
MinceR"production system" on crApple hardware?Jun 20 14:03
MinceRthey deserve everything they getJun 20 14:03
MinceRfucking moronsJun 20 14:03
MinceRObstacle made sure to license ZFS so that it can't be legally integrated into LinuxJun 20 14:04
MinceRso fuck Obstacle and fuck ZFSJun 20 14:04
MinceRwith a rusty, poisoned chainsawJun 20 14:04
*TweetTuxMachines @tuxmachines favourited '@wikileaks Did @CraigMurrayOrg even meet him in...'Jun 20 14:05
DaemonFC I wonder where I'd file a bug for "Gnome Web uses an insane amount of power, melts my laptop on sites like Facebook and Youtube.".Jun 20 14:09
DaemonFCUsing Firefox, my laptop is sitting at 7-8 watts and using Gnome Web on the same sites, it's closer to 20.Jun 20 14:09
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DaemonFChttps://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1463390Jun 20 14:24
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-bugzilla.redhat.com | Bug 1463390 – Gnome Web uses an insane amount of power, melts my laptop on sites like Facebook and Youtube.Jun 20 14:24
schestowitzI'm furious at FirefoxJun 20 14:24
schestowitztakes like a gig or more of RAM sometimesJun 20 14:24
schestowitzfor two tabsJun 20 14:24
schestowitzgoes nutsJun 20 14:24
DaemonFC How reproducible:  Open Gnome Web and do stuff on Facebook (especially try to make a new post) and/or watch Youtube videos.  Actual results:  Computer grinds to a near halt. Using power. Using power. Using power.   Expected results:  Gnome Web is fast and doesn't melt the laptop.  Additional:  I do have intel-va support installed from RPM Fusion.Jun 20 14:24
schestowitzsometimes crashesJun 20 14:24
schestowitzI found https://www.bleepingcomputer.com/news/software/firefox-will-add-a-settings-section-that-lets-you-control-performance-/Jun 20 14:24
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.bleepingcomputer.com | Firefox Will Add a Settings Section That Lets You Control "Performance" [ http://ur1.ca/r140a ]Jun 20 14:24
schestowitzI can't install brave, their instructions don't workJun 20 14:25
DaemonFCUber is almost as bad as Airbnb.Jun 20 14:25
DaemonFCThese landlords find out that tourists will pay more than renters and turn their units into Airbnb rentals instead.Jun 20 14:25
DaemonFCFewer apartments on the market. Rents go way up.Jun 20 14:25
DaemonFCAirbnb is pretty much unregulated, so it was discovered that people with names that made them sound like they might be black were 16% less likely to be approved for an Airbnb rental.Jun 20 14:26
DaemonFCAlso, there's no government inspections, so you don't know that the unit will have a working fire alarm, CO2 detector, sprinklers, etc.Jun 20 14:27
DaemonFCeerrr, Carbon monoxide that is.Jun 20 14:27
schestowitzhttps://www.reddit.com/r/firefox/comments/31v1yg/why_is_ff_such_a_memory_hog/Jun 20 14:27
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.reddit.com | Why is FF such a memory hog? : firefox [ http://ur1.ca/r140p ]Jun 20 14:27
DaemonFCAt least 9 people in the US have been poisoned by carbon monoxide in Airbnb rentals, and 1 died.Jun 20 14:27
DaemonFCBut we won't ever know how many for sure because Airbnb suppresses the information.Jun 20 14:28
DaemonFCIt's just a really nasty thing.Jun 20 14:28
DaemonFCAnd people who rent their units on it are in danger too.Jun 20 14:28
DaemonFCIn one case, a renter stuffed a bunch of things down the toilet and did over $10,000 worth of damage, but Airbnb only paid the owner $78.Jun 20 14:28
schestowitz"Play DRM content'Jun 20 14:29
schestowitzin settingsJun 20 14:29
DaemonFCIn another case, an Airbnb renter became a squatter and it took four months to evict them.Jun 20 14:29
DaemonFCschestowitz: I don't use Airbnb. I find a way to stay with family/friends or I get a cheap-ish room at a reputable motel chain.Jun 20 14:30
DaemonFCNot a roach motel, but something for like business travelers who don't want to spend a ton of money.Jun 20 14:30
DaemonFCSuper 8 has a policy where if you check in after 4 AM they don't count the first night, so I just drive and check in at Super 8 after 4 AM, sleep, and get my second night thrown in.Jun 20 14:31
schestowitzit's a US thingJun 20 14:31
schestowitzopen firefoxJun 20 14:31
schestowitzno tabsJun 20 14:31
schestowitzjust blank tabJun 20 14:31
schestowitz400mb of RAMJun 20 14:31
schestowitzWTH?Jun 20 14:31
schestowitzI want to throw it to the dogsJun 20 14:32
schestowitzbut what to replace it with? rekonq again?Jun 20 14:32
DaemonFCRekonq is abandoned.Jun 20 14:32
DaemonFCQupzilla maybe.Jun 20 14:32
DaemonFCschestowitz: You can uncheck "Play DRM Content" and it won't download Widevine.Jun 20 14:33
DaemonFCFedora default.Jun 20 14:33
DaemonFCOr you could get the no EME build that doesn't even support Widevine.Jun 20 14:33
schestowitzdefault here tooJun 20 14:33
DaemonFCbbiabJun 20 14:33
schestowitzwhat's Qupzilla based on?Jun 20 14:34
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schestowitzsounds like qt and mozJun 20 14:34
MinceRiirc it's crashkit on qtJun 20 14:35
MinceR(crashkit is also known as webkit)Jun 20 14:35
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schestowitzmehJun 20 14:44
schestowitzrekonq gets blank-ish pages from diasporaJun 20 14:44
MinceRwelcome to the "modern" webJun 20 14:45
MinceRit ain't done until it only works on chrome (and maybe some crApple shit)Jun 20 14:45
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schestowitzi thought maybe js is to blameJun 20 14:49
schestowitzit works with moz-type browsersJun 20 14:49
schestowitzgecko and whatnotJun 20 14:49
schestowitzthis is webkit based Jun 20 14:49
schestowitzstill failsJun 20 14:49
schestowitzdoesn't help when I pretend to be other browsersJun 20 14:50
schestowitz"Diaspora doesn't support your version of Internet Explorer."Jun 20 14:51
schestowitzLOLJun 20 14:51
schestowitzeven as wget or googlebot I ge f* allJun 20 14:52
schestowitzwhat an awful design for a siteJun 20 14:52
schestowitzbarely accessible textJun 20 14:52
schestowitzsudo apt-get install qupzillaJun 20 14:53
schestowitzwill try this one nextJun 20 14:53
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schestowitzqupzilla works OK with joindisporaJun 20 14:55
schestowitzunlike rekonqJun 20 14:55
MinceRlolJun 20 14:55
DaemonFCI noticed that there's a race between authenticating to the server and entering chatrooms. If you enter #fedora too quickly, you get #fedora-unregistered but Pidgin joins in the order you list rooms, so I put #fedora last.Jun 20 14:55
DaemonFCschestowitz: Yeah, Rekonq never really panned out too much.Jun 20 14:56
DaemonFCQupzilla has better adblocking too.Jun 20 14:56
DaemonFCMidori is pretty decent too, if you don't mind a dependency on WebkitGTK.Jun 20 14:56
schestowitzhmmm...Jun 20 14:56
schestowitzone tab, 15% of my RAMJun 20 14:56
schestowitznot liking this so farJun 20 14:56
DaemonFCKDE has GTK integration theme though, and Gnome has Qt integration now.Jun 20 14:56
schestowitzI use to run firefox on a laptop with 32 mb or RAMJun 20 14:56
schestowitzfirefox 3 or 1.5Jun 20 14:57
DaemonFCYeah, I used to run the entire Mozilla Suite with 128 MB of RAM on my Windows 98 PC.Jun 20 14:57
DaemonFCBefore tabs existed.Jun 20 14:57
DaemonFCWith memory left to spare.Jun 20 14:57
schestowitz7 tabs, 20% of my ramJun 20 14:58
schestowitz400mbJun 20 14:58
schestowitznot good, eitherJun 20 14:58
DaemonFCI didn't run a normal Windows 98 though. I had a utility that stripped Internet Explorer and a bunch of other crap out of the OS, removed Trident, and installed a Windows 95 OSR 2 shell patched to say Windows 98.Jun 20 14:58
DaemonFCI found a zip file online with the three shell files that I needed. Jun 20 14:58
schestowitzThunderbird with JS on can work on, in thunderbrowse, but it's limited, can't write blog posts lkike thatJun 20 14:59
DaemonFCIt used a lot less RAM without the bloated Windows 98 shell.Jun 20 14:59
DaemonFCIt also didn't leak as much.Jun 20 14:59
DaemonFCI actually kept it up and running for months at a time.Jun 20 14:59
schestowitzmaybe the rendering engines became the cause of bloat?Jun 20 14:59
schestowitznot JS, I'm not even running itJun 20 14:59
DaemonFCIE pretty much sandbagged Windows.Jun 20 14:59
schestowitzand stupid malloc heapsJun 20 15:00
MinceRthe "standard" itself was bloated tooJun 20 15:00
MinceRdooming all complete implementationsJun 20 15:00
schestowitzno other explanation for browser with nothing in it hoarding so much ramJun 20 15:00
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schestowitzmasturbating moneys with their "speed"Jun 20 15:00
DaemonFCschestowitz: There's really only a couple of rendering engines that are relevant now. Webkit and Gecko.Jun 20 15:00
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DaemonFCTrident/EdgeHTML are down to single digits iirc.Jun 20 15:00
DaemonFCThey're getting so low that I wouldn't be surprised if people stop bothering to test with them at some point.Jun 20 15:01
DaemonFCNVidia serves a page with a picture of a rock if you visit in old versions of IE and it says "IE 6? You can't be serious.".Jun 20 15:01
schestowitzi guess the onlu solution now it trying to make Firefox less of a piece of s*Jun 20 15:01
MinceRhttp://i.imgur.com/K3zkh0K.jpgJun 20 15:01
schestowitzstarted empty session of firefoxJun 20 15:02
MinceRUbuntu Masturbating Monkey?Jun 20 15:02
schestowitztook over 10 secondsJun 20 15:02
DaemonFCschestowitz: Firefox is really the only Linux browser that people actually test in.Jun 20 15:02
schestowitz400mb, then 300 of RAMJun 20 15:02
schestowitzfor one blank tabJun 20 15:02
DaemonFCIf it breaks in Gnome Web, Midori, Qupzilla, they don't care.Jun 20 15:02
DaemonFCschestowitz: The multiprocess Firefox will use more.Jun 20 15:02
DaemonFCThe advantage is you get it all back when you close a tab.Jun 20 15:03
MinceRand you'll get all sorts of new malfeaturesJun 20 15:03
DaemonFCFirefox keeps getting bigger and bigger until you have to close and reopen the entire browser as single-process.Jun 20 15:03
MinceRnew proprietary blobs, new drm, new bugs, new limitationsJun 20 15:03
MinceRi wonder when will failfox depend on systemd on LinuxJun 20 15:03
DaemonFCMinceR: The way most people ran Firefox, just Widevine is an improvement over Flash.Jun 20 15:04
DaemonFCFlash was copying a ton of features, poorly, and with millions of bugs, that the browser was already capable of.Jun 20 15:05
DaemonFCIt became an overglorified video player because sites demanded it for its DRM.Jun 20 15:05
MinceRwhat's widevine?Jun 20 15:05
DaemonFCMinceR: A cross platform DRM from Google.Jun 20 15:05
MinceRain't it fucking preciousJun 20 15:05
MinceRfrom fucking googleJun 20 15:05
DaemonFCTo be used as a Content Decryption Module.Jun 20 15:05
MinceR"do no evil", my assJun 20 15:05
DaemonFCMinceR: It's hilariously weak too.Jun 20 15:06
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MinceRi'm surprised humans haven't gone extinct yetJun 20 15:06
DaemonFCPeople keep dumping entire seasons of Netflix in HD that were "protected" with Widevine.Jun 20 15:06
MinceRwith such a lack of sense and self-destructive tendencies and urgesJun 20 15:06
DaemonFCGoogle is pretty terrible really.Jun 20 15:06
DaemonFCChrome is one of the most misbehaved pieces of software I've ever seen.Jun 20 15:07
DaemonFCIt's probably #3 for worst behaved software from a major company.Jun 20 15:07
DaemonFCRight behind Internet Explorer and iTunes.Jun 20 15:07
MinceRsure, but it's a web browserJun 20 15:07
MinceRa full-featured one at thatJun 20 15:07
MinceRall of those are terribleJun 20 15:07
DaemonFCMinceR: The battery usage with Chrome is very bad as well.Jun 20 15:07
DaemonFCIt causes too many wakeups, which subverts the power management of the OS/hardware.Jun 20 15:08
MinceR"modern" webshites have got to have their precious wakeupsJun 20 15:08
DaemonFCIf you can't go into a deep PC state on a platform like Skylake, you can't get those awesome 10 hours on the battery.Jun 20 15:08
MinceRso they can use your computers to mine bitcoins even if they're in the backgroundJun 20 15:08
MinceRyou can't get it eitherJun 20 15:08
MinceRs/either/anyway/Jun 20 15:08
MinceRlaptop battery life figures are always liesJun 20 15:08
DaemonFCMinceR: Firefox is pretty easy on the battery, at least as provided by Fedora.Jun 20 15:08
MinceRgot to save some battery for systemd to waste, eh?Jun 20 15:09
DaemonFCIt's worse if you use the Mozilla-provided binary, as is most everything else, including security.Jun 20 15:09
DaemonFCSystemd isn't using much.Jun 20 15:09
DaemonFCRight now, my system is using about 6 watts.Jun 20 15:09
DaemonFCThe whole system.Jun 20 15:09
MinceRgo tell this guy: https://blind.guru/daemon-cpu.htmlJun 20 15:10
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-blind.guru | I am sorry, but this looks insaneJun 20 15:10
MinceRoh, yeah, also dbus and packagekitJun 20 15:10
DaemonFCMinceR: Jun 20 15:12
DaemonFChttps://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1463398Jun 20 15:12
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-bugzilla.redhat.com | Bug 1463398 – Gnome Web can't render the website for the Midori browser.Jun 20 15:12
DaemonFChttps://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1463390Jun 20 15:13
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-bugzilla.redhat.com | Bug 1463390 – Gnome Web uses an insane amount of power, melts my laptop on sites like Facebook and Youtube. [ http://ur1.ca/r147w ]Jun 20 15:13
MinceRlolJun 20 15:13
DaemonFChttps://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1462677Jun 20 15:13
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-bugzilla.redhat.com | Bug 1462677 – GNOME Web crashes when saving an image from discogs.com. [ http://ur1.ca/r147y ]Jun 20 15:13
DaemonFCI've filed three bugs on it so far.Jun 20 15:13
DaemonFCbbiabJun 20 15:13
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*schestowitz experiments with qupzillaJun 20 15:17
schestowitzdoesn't work with mastodon Jun 20 15:22
schestowitzblank pageJun 20 15:22
MinceRhttp://www.smbc-comics.com/comic/dark-magicJun 20 15:23
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.smbc-comics.com | Saturday Morning Breakfast Cereal - Dark MagicJun 20 15:23
schestowitzhhmmm.... flash just made  the browser totally freezeJun 20 15:25
schestowitzno good that..Jun 20 15:25
schestowitzI'll use rekonq for light thingsJun 20 15:26
schestowitzfor nowJun 20 15:26
schestowitzuntil firefox gets its fJun 20 15:27
schestowitzits f* s* togetherJun 20 15:27
schestowitzit's very annoyingJun 20 15:27
schestowitzI wasted so much time on thisJun 20 15:27
MinceRjustflashthingsJun 20 15:30
MinceRfirefox is only getting its f* s* increasingly apartJun 20 15:30
MinceRhttp://imgur.com/gallery/ziUZjJun 20 15:35
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-When your boss say that you don't need AC. - Album on ImgurJun 20 15:35
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schestowitztest http://imgur.com/gallery/ziUZjJun 20 15:44
schestowitzok, well... I'm experimenting with less firefoxJun 20 15:45
schestowitzI will still need it for some things, but not manyJun 20 15:45
MinceRhttps://imgur.com/gallery/kIhStJun 20 15:51
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Kitties - Album on ImgurJun 20 15:51
MinceRhttp://www.smbc-comics.com/comic/you-tooJun 20 16:17
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.smbc-comics.com | Saturday Morning Breakfast Cereal - You TooJun 20 16:17
MinceRhttp://i.imgur.com/q2FtVgV.gifvJun 20 16:24
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-i.imgur.com | ImgurJun 20 16:24
schestowitzAnother person at EPo has just killed himselfJun 20 16:26
schestowitzshi*Jun 20 16:26
MinceRcan't they just quit?Jun 20 16:26
MinceRor even just stop going to workJun 20 16:27
schestowitznot simpleJun 20 16:27
schestowitzthey relocate the whole familyJun 20 16:27
MinceRwhy?Jun 20 16:27
schestowitzHe jumped under a train.Jun 20 16:28
schestowitz British citizenJun 20 16:28
schestowitzhttps://imgur.com/gallery/Wvh94Jun 20 16:33
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Certainly no humdrum here... - Album on ImgurJun 20 16:33
*TweetTuxMachines @tuxmachines favourited '@wikileaks Mere days after Trump signed papers in...'Jun 20 16:37
schestowitzMinceR: thanks for the picksJun 20 16:46
schestowitzI will use them laterJun 20 16:46
MinceRnpJun 20 16:49
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TweetTuxMachines@equbuntu        https://twitter.com/equbuntu/status/877288920853221376Jun 20 18:49
TweetTuxMachines                 The latest The Ubuntu Daily! https://t.co/3rzYpmfSb0Jun 20 18:49
TweetTuxMachines                 (paper.li) Thanks to @tuxmachines @security_wangJun 20 18:49
TweetTuxMachines                 @phoronix #ubuntu #securityJun 20 18:49
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MinceRhttp://www.smbc-comics.com/comic/epsilon   http://smbc-comics.com/comics/1495978247-20170528after.pngJun 20 19:13
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.smbc-comics.com | Saturday Morning Breakfast Cereal - EpsilonJun 20 19:13
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cubexyz><schestowitz> I'm furious at FirefoxJun 20 20:18
cubexyz<schestowitz> takes like a gig or more of RAM sometimesJun 20 20:18
cubexyzhaJun 20 20:18
cubexyzactually I'm using ff 16 still on one boxJun 20 20:18
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cubexyz512 megs of ramJun 20 20:19
cubexyzon FC1 I use icecat-2.0.0.11-g1Jun 20 20:19
cubexyzbut only rarelyJun 20 20:19
cubexyzit may have been possible to update icecat using gtk1 Jun 20 20:22
TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     https://twitter.com/AlejosAngel/status/877321858147729411Jun 20 20:27
TweetTuxMachines retweeted by    NetBSD Image for Raspberry Pi Updated to ImproveJun 20 20:27
TweetTuxMachines @AlejosAngel    Raspberry Pi 3 Boot Support https://t.co/EJd2EZCOuDJun 20 20:27
TweetTuxMachines                 (www.tuxmachines.org) #bsd #unix #netbsd #raspiJun 20 20:27
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | NetBSD Image for Raspberry Pi Updated to Improve Raspberry Pi 3 Boot Support | Tux MachinesJun 20 20:27
TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     https://twitter.com/tuxmachines/status/877321965144375296Jun 20 20:31
TweetTuxMachines                 My Ubuntu for mobile devices post mortem analysisJun 20 20:31
TweetTuxMachines                 https://t.co/YIgH8Xaw7K (www.tuxmachines.org) #ubuntuJun 20 20:31
TweetTuxMachines                 #gnu #linuxJun 20 20:31
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cubexyzff 16 just seems more efficientJun 20 20:37
TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     https://twitter.com/tuxmachines/status/877322862561943553Jun 20 20:40
TweetTuxMachines                 #OnePlus 5 review—The best sub-$500 phone you can buyJun 20 20:40
TweetTuxMachines                 https://t.co/NNMraXCVwA (www.tuxmachines.org) #android Jun 20 20:40
TweetTuxMachines                 #linuxJun 20 20:40
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | OnePlus 5 review—The best sub-$500 phone you can buy | Tux MachinesJun 20 20:40
TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     https://twitter.com/tuxmachines/status/877325346860748800Jun 20 20:44
TweetTuxMachines                 Tips on Scaling Open Source in the CloudJun 20 20:44
TweetTuxMachines                 https://t.co/O3gGuTrRJM (www.tuxmachines.org) #freeswJun 20 20:44
TweetTuxMachines                 #serverJun 20 20:44
TweetTuxMachines Jun 20 20:44
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Tips on Scaling Open Source in the Cloud | Tux MachinesJun 20 20:44
TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     https://twitter.com/tuxmachines/status/877326275236380676Jun 20 20:50
TweetTuxMachines                 #Escuelas Linux 5.4 Educational Distribution OfficiallyJun 20 20:50
TweetTuxMachines                 Released, Based on Bodhi https://t.co/RMTPSGejzAJun 20 20:50
TweetTuxMachines                 (www.tuxmachines.org) #education #gnu #linux #bodhilinuxJun 20 20:50
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TweetTuxMachines                 Hacker Board Survey Results: More Raspberry Pi, PleaseJun 20 20:52
TweetTuxMachines                 https://t.co/haRGmpXrjs (www.tuxmachines.org) #gnu #linuxJun 20 20:52
TweetTuxMachines                 #hardware #rapsiJun 20 20:52
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Hacker Board Survey Results: More Raspberry Pi, Please | Tux MachinesJun 20 20:52
DaemonFCI figured out the insane power draw and CPU usage in Gnome Web.Jun 20 20:52
DaemonFCFedora doesn't install gstreamer's va-api by default and intel-va is in RPM Fusion.Jun 20 20:53
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TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     https://twitter.com/tuxmachines/status/877329177577476096Jun 20 21:00
TweetTuxMachines                 Latest quad-core #BananaPi offers SATA support for $32Jun 20 21:00
TweetTuxMachines                 https://t.co/z6tibZd3Re (www.tuxmachines.org) #linux #gnuJun 20 21:00
TweetTuxMachines                 #hardwareJun 20 21:00
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TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     https://twitter.com/tuxmachines/status/877330240023834624Jun 20 21:02
TweetTuxMachines                 Sony Xperia Touch Android projector ReviewJun 20 21:02
TweetTuxMachines                 https://t.co/azuW5STE7x (www.tuxmachines.org) #androidJun 20 21:02
TweetTuxMachines                 #linux #sonyJun 20 21:02
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TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     https://twitter.com/tuxmachines/status/877330772579037184Jun 20 21:05
TweetTuxMachines                 This is the latest phone from the company Android fansJun 20 21:05
TweetTuxMachines                 can't get enough of https://t.co/E6vyTdl9bVJun 20 21:05
TweetTuxMachines                 (www.tuxmachines.org) #oneplus #android #linuxJun 20 21:05
TweetTuxMachines Jun 20 21:05
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | This is the latest phone from the company Android fans can't get enough of | Tux MachinesJun 20 21:05
DaemonFChttps://nystocknews.com/2017/06/20/target-price-for-red-hat-inc-rht-now-above-close-for-monday/Jun 20 21:13
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-nystocknews.com | Target Price for Red Hat, Inc. (RHT) now above close for Monday | NY Stock NewsJun 20 21:13
DaemonFCRed Hat is way bigger than Novel l was.Jun 20 21:13
DaemonFCThe Novell deal with Microsoft smacked of desperation from the beginning.Jun 20 21:14
DaemonFCr_schestowitz: What's the deal with suse these days?Jun 20 21:15
DaemonFCIs it still to be avoided?Jun 20 21:15
DaemonFCOr did it land somewhere where it's okay to recommend again?Jun 20 21:15
TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     https://twitter.com/tuxmachines/status/877331498260721664Jun 20 21:15
TweetTuxMachines                 Android Leftovers https://t.co/uGl9NjZBxSJun 20 21:15
TweetTuxMachines                 (www.tuxmachines.org) #android #linux #google #oneplusJun 20 21:15
TweetTuxMachines                 #kodakJun 20 21:15
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DaemonFCRed Hat wasn't ever really pushing Mono. Fedora had/has it but it's not a default package.Jun 20 21:16
DaemonFCThey heavily promote Java.Jun 20 21:16
DaemonFCSome of the people in Gnome were in a position to push Mono though, and they tried.Jun 20 21:16
DaemonFCThey were actually pretty pissed about Tomboy being ported to C++.Jun 20 21:17
TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/877334064914616321Jun 20 21:17
TweetTuxMachines retweeted by    Links 20/6/2017: Chuwi Lapbook, Linux 4.12 RC6, MesaJun 20 21:17
TweetTuxMachines @schestowitz    17.1.3 https://t.co/pVZIKo4ohT (techrights.org)Jun 20 21:17
TweetTuxMachines Jun 20 21:17
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DaemonFCI think the author of Tomboy wrote a whole blog post complaining about Gnote. Jun 20 21:18
DaemonFCI commented that you don't get to release something as open source and then complain when people do something with it.Jun 20 21:18
TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/877334619275841536Jun 20 21:20
TweetTuxMachines retweeted by    My Ubuntu for mobile devices post mortem analysisJun 20 21:20
TweetTuxMachines @schestowitz    https://t.co/YIgH8Xaw7K (www.tuxmachines.org) #ubuntuJun 20 21:20
TweetTuxMachines                 #gnu #linuxJun 20 21:20
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | My Ubuntu for mobile devices post mortem analysis | Tux MachinesJun 20 21:20
TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     https://twitter.com/tuxmachines/status/877335292390146053Jun 20 21:21
TweetTuxMachines                 Release of #OpenMandriva Lx 3.02 https://t.co/PtxwGk9t3vJun 20 21:21
TweetTuxMachines                 (www.tuxmachines.org) #Mandriva #gnu #linuxJun 20 21:21
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Release of OpenMandriva Lx 3.02 | Tux MachinesJun 20 21:22
TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/877335682708099072Jun 20 21:26
TweetTuxMachines retweeted by    #OnePlus 5 review—The best sub-$500 phone you can buyJun 20 21:26
TweetTuxMachines @schestowitz    https://t.co/NNMraXCVwA (www.tuxmachines.org) #android Jun 20 21:26
TweetTuxMachines                 #linuxJun 20 21:26
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TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/877336700053319680Jun 20 21:26
TweetTuxMachines retweeted by    Tips on Scaling Open Source in the CloudJun 20 21:26
TweetTuxMachines @schestowitz    https://t.co/O3gGuTrRJM (www.tuxmachines.org) #freeswJun 20 21:26
TweetTuxMachines                 #serverJun 20 21:26
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | OnePlus 5 review—The best sub-$500 phone you can buy | Tux MachinesJun 20 21:26
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Tips on Scaling Open Source in the Cloud | Tux MachinesJun 20 21:27
DaemonFChttp://phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=Fedora-WS-Update-NV-WL-QtJun 20 21:27
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Fedora Continues Working On Better NVIDIA Support, PipeWire Could Replace PulseAudio - PhoronixJun 20 21:27
DaemonFCMinceR: Fedora could replace Pulseaudio.Jun 20 21:27
DaemonFCOf course they would. They got Pulseaudio working after years of agony, so of course there's something new.Jun 20 21:27
DaemonFCSo this thing is supposed to replace Pulseaudio *and* Jack.Jun 20 21:30
DaemonFCWell good luck with that.Jun 20 21:30
DaemonFChttps://blogs.gnome.org/uraeus/2017/06/20/fedora-workstation-26-and-beyond/Jun 20 21:32
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-blogs.gnome.org | Fedora Workstation 26 and beyond | Christian Schaller [ http://ur1.ca/r164i ]Jun 20 21:32
DaemonFCFedora 26 is pretty good.Jun 20 21:32
DaemonFCHe's right that the industry is moving to open codecs while the widely used encumbered codec patents are expiring.Jun 20 21:36
DaemonFCFool me once, shame on you, and all that.Jun 20 21:36
DaemonFC:)Jun 20 21:36
TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/877336716431941634Jun 20 21:36
TweetTuxMachines retweeted by    #Escuelas Linux 5.4 Educational Distribution OfficiallyJun 20 21:36
TweetTuxMachines @schestowitz    Released, Based on Bodhi https://t.co/RMTPSGejzAJun 20 21:36
TweetTuxMachines                 (www.tuxmachines.org) #education #gnu #linux #bodhilinuxJun 20 21:36
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Escuelas Linux 5.4 Educational Distribution Officially Released, Based on Bodhi | Tux MachinesJun 20 21:36
DaemonFCMP3 is dated, but it's not a horrible format.Jun 20 21:36
TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/877339330875977728Jun 20 21:36
TweetTuxMachines retweeted by    Hacker Board Survey Results: More Raspberry Pi, PleaseJun 20 21:36
TweetTuxMachines @schestowitz    https://t.co/haRGmpXrjs (www.tuxmachines.org) #gnu #linuxJun 20 21:36
TweetTuxMachines                 #hardware #rapsiJun 20 21:36
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Hacker Board Survey Results: More Raspberry Pi, Please | Tux MachinesJun 20 21:36
DaemonFCLAME has advanced the technology far beyond what proprietary software ever would have.Jun 20 21:36
DaemonFC"QtGNOME platformJun 20 21:39
DaemonFCWe will have a new version of the QtGNOME platform in Fedora 26. For those of you who have not yet heard of this effort it is a set of themes and tools to ensure that Qt applications runs without any major issues under GNOME 3. With the new version the theming expands to include the accessibility and dark themes in Adwaita, meaning that if you switch to one of these themes under GNOME shell it will also switch your Qt applications ovJun 20 21:39
DaemonFCer. We are also making sure things like cut’n paste and drag and drop works well. The version in Fedora Workstation 26 is a big step forward for this effort and should hopefully make Qt applications be first class citizens under your Fedora Workstation desktop."Jun 20 21:39
DaemonFCNice.Jun 20 21:39
DaemonFCr_schestowitz:  That's what I was talking about earlier.Jun 20 21:39
DaemonFCSo Qt and KDE apps fit in better on a Gnome desktop.Jun 20 21:39
TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/877339350039769088Jun 20 21:45
TweetTuxMachines retweeted by    Latest quad-core #BananaPi offers SATA support for $32Jun 20 21:45
TweetTuxMachines @schestowitz    https://t.co/z6tibZd3Re (www.tuxmachines.org) #linux #gnuJun 20 21:45
TweetTuxMachines                 #hardwareJun 20 21:45
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Latest quad-core Banana Pi offers SATA support for $32 | Tux MachinesJun 20 21:45
*TweetTuxMachines @tuxmachines favourited '@realDonaldTrump @WhiteHouse @VP Did your buddy Vlad approve...'Jun 20 21:46
*TweetTuxMachines @tuxmachines favourited '@realDonaldTrump @WhiteHouse @VP https://t.co/cbdmEBbtwL'Jun 20 21:46
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz: @realDonaldTrump @WhiteHouse @VP https://t.co/cbdmEBbtwLJun 20 21:46
*TweetTuxMachines @tuxmachines favourited retweet 'RT @schestowitz: @realDonaldTrump @WhiteHouse @VP https://t.co/cbdmEBbtwL'Jun 20 21:46
TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/877341983261544448Jun 20 21:47
TweetTuxMachines retweeted by    Sony Xperia Touch Android projector ReviewJun 20 21:47
TweetTuxMachines @schestowitz    https://t.co/azuW5STE7x (www.tuxmachines.org) #androidJun 20 21:47
TweetTuxMachines                 #linux #sonyJun 20 21:47
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Sony Xperia Touch Android projector Review | Tux MachinesJun 20 21:47
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r_schestowitz[02:15] <DaemonFC> r_schestowitz: What's the deal with suse these days?Jun 20 21:50
r_schestowitzit's almost irrelevantJun 20 21:50
DaemonFCI have a friend on Facebook that says he likes openSUSE Tumbleweed.Jun 20 21:50
DaemonFCThe system management tools on Fedora have gotten a lot better than they used to be.Jun 20 21:51
DaemonFCLike, Yum used to make you install a plugin that detected orphan packages and then you had to add a switch to remove them and sometimes it was wrong and broke something.Jun 20 21:51
r_schestowitzthey barely even keep up their blogs about suseJun 20 21:52
r_schestowitzabandoned most of them...Jun 20 21:52
r_schestowitz "I don't think you should necessarily publish that information on your blog (there is a family left behind), but an examiner committed suicide yesterday in Munich. A British citizen like you, actually. He jumped under a train."Jun 20 21:57
r_schestowitzDo most people already know? I don't want to play a "tally" game like a politician. Does the management know? The Line Manager?Jun 20 21:57
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TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/877341997798793221Jun 20 22:09
TweetTuxMachines retweeted by    This is the latest phone from the company Android fansJun 20 22:09
TweetTuxMachines @schestowitz    can't get enough of https://t.co/E6vyTdl9bVJun 20 22:09
TweetTuxMachines                 (www.tuxmachines.org) #oneplus #android #linuxJun 20 22:09
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | This is the latest phone from the company Android fans can't get enough of | Tux MachinesJun 20 22:09
TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/877347539263082497Jun 20 22:09
TweetTuxMachines retweeted by    Android Leftovers https://t.co/uGl9NjZBxSJun 20 22:09
TweetTuxMachines @schestowitz    (www.tuxmachines.org) #android #linux #google #oneplusJun 20 22:09
TweetTuxMachines                 #kodakJun 20 22:09
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Android Leftovers | Tux MachinesJun 20 22:09
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DaemonFChttps://lkml.org/lkml/2016/12/15/162Jun 20 23:10
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-lkml.org | LKML: tip-bot for Thomas Gleixner: [tip:x86/timers] x86/tsc: Force TSC_ADJUST register to value >= zeroJun 20 23:10
DaemonFCApparently, LolNo!Vo has this bug too.Jun 20 23:10
TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/877347552752001024Jun 20 23:14
TweetTuxMachines retweeted by    Release of #OpenMandriva Lx 3.02 https://t.co/PtxwGk9t3vJun 20 23:14
TweetTuxMachines @schestowitz    (www.tuxmachines.org) #Mandriva #gnu #linuxJun 20 23:14
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Release of OpenMandriva Lx 3.02 | Tux MachinesJun 20 23:14
DaemonFChttp://linux-kernel.2935.n7.nabble.com/Linux-2-6-29-td440085i20.htmlJun 20 23:17
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-linux-kernel.2935.n7.nabble.com | Linux Kernel - Linux 2.6.29 | Page 2Jun 20 23:17
DaemonFC"I never understood how anybody doing filesystems (especially ones that Jun 20 23:17
DaemonFCclaim to be crash-resistant due to journalling) would _ever_ accept the Jun 20 23:17
DaemonFC"writeback" behavior of having "clean fsck, but data loss". " - Linus TorvaldsJun 20 23:17
DaemonFCLOLJun 20 23:17
DaemonFC"Isn't that the same fix? ext4 just defaults to the crappy "writeback" Jun 20 23:18
DaemonFCbehavior, which is insane. Jun 20 23:18
DaemonFCSure, it makes things _much_ smoother, since now the actual data is no Jun 20 23:18
DaemonFClonger in the critical path for any journal writes, but anybody who thinks Jun 20 23:18
DaemonFCthat's a solution is just incompetent. Jun 20 23:18
DaemonFCWe might as well go back to ext2 then. If your data gets written out long Jun 20 23:18
DaemonFCafter the metadata hit the disk, you are going to hit all kinds of bad Jun 20 23:18
DaemonFCissues if the machine ever goes down. "Jun 20 23:18
DaemonFCThat was what Ext4 was doing before 2.6.29.Jun 20 23:18
DaemonFCI actually lost some files to that during a system crash.Jun 20 23:19
DaemonFCBut that's a separate issue from vm.writeback.Jun 20 23:22
DaemonFCTed T'so wrote, "I have 4 gigs of memory on my laptop, and I've never seen it these Jun 20 23:22
DaemonFCsorts of issues.  So maybe filesystem hackers don't have enough Jun 20 23:22
DaemonFCmemory; or we don't use the right workloads?  It would help if I Jun 20 23:22
DaemonFCunderstood how to trigger these disaster cases.  I've had to work Jun 20 23:22
DaemonFC*really* hard (as in dd if=/dev/zero of=/mnt/dirty-me-harder) in order Jun 20 23:22
DaemonFCto get even a 30 second fsync() delay.  So understanding what sort of Jun 20 23:22
DaemonFCthings you do that cause that many files data blocks to be dirtied, Jun 20 23:22
DaemonFCand/or what is causing a major read workload, would be useful. Jun 20 23:22
DaemonFCIt may be that we just need to tune the VM to be much more aggressive Jun 20 23:22
DaemonFCabout pushing dirty pages to the disk sooner.  Understanding how the Jun 20 23:22
DaemonFCdynamics are working would be the first step. "Jun 20 23:22
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DaemonFCOne of the things that powertop recommends is increasing the vm.writeback delay to improve battery life.Jun 20 23:23
DaemonFCIt risks your data though, but it's the default in the "just tune everything for me" defaults.Jun 20 23:23
DaemonFCThe longer the writeback delay is, the more data is at risk.Jun 20 23:24
DaemonFCIt's not JFS bad, even with the delay that powertop sets.Jun 20 23:24
DaemonFCJFS can push the writeback out indefinitely, until an external event triggers one.Jun 20 23:25
DaemonFCSo you could go hours or even longer.Jun 20 23:25
DaemonFCI think that powertop just pushes it out from 5 seconds to 30.Jun 20 23:25
DaemonFCYou really don't want to use JFS.Jun 20 23:26
DaemonFCI can't imagine why it has any users.Jun 20 23:26
DaemonFCJFS is really not actively developed like XFS is.Jun 20 23:26
DaemonFCI still see XFS developers fixing some bizarre/rare/hard to trigger bugs now and then.Jun 20 23:27
DaemonFCr_schestowitz: After Greg KH pushed out that tiny 4.11.6 update, he went back to queuing. The 4.11.7 patch set is sitting at 75 patches right now. :PJun 20 23:28
DaemonFCIt takes a long time for a kernel to actually settle after it's released. The patches never end, not really.Jun 20 23:28
DaemonFCEven after 100 minor versions, it's common to see 50-60 patches in the next update.Jun 20 23:29
DaemonFCYou could keep fixing things forever and there would be more bugs.Jun 20 23:29
DaemonFCWindows 10 has turned into beta quality garbage, even by Microsoft standards.Jun 20 23:30
DaemonFCThey FORCE update you to a new release that's totally broken and make you test it out before their important customers have to install it.Jun 20 23:30
DaemonFCPart of the whole "free" thing. The other being your personal data, down to the keystrones.Jun 20 23:30
DaemonFC*keystrokes.Jun 20 23:30
DaemonFCRyan FarmerJust now · Chicago · Fedora has a list of Forbidden items and a list of suggestions for what to do instead, but the real answer (cheat sheet) almost always involves installing something from RPM Fusion. I was a little stunned to see that Gnome Web stuttered and made my computer red hot and nearly unresponsive while playing videos and doing some other things without the magic combo of intel-va-driver from RPM Fusion,Jun 20 23:50
DaemonFC the codecs from RPM Fusion, and the Gstreamer VA API plugin from Fedora. I had the codecs and the intel-va-driver, but had overlooked the Gstreamer VA API plugin. Doh!Fedora can't recommend RPM Fusion even though almost everyone knows about it, because recommending it would open them up to a lawsuit from a patent holder. ("Well, you may not be shipping this thing we have a patent on, but you're telling people where to get it!").The Jun 20 23:50
DaemonFCUS legal system is hopelessly fucked. The patent office even once gave a patent to a lawyer for a "method of exercising a cat with a laser pointer" when he was trying to show his son how easy it was to abuse the patent system in the US.Jun 20 23:50
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*TweetTuxMachines @RyanMcCullagh favourited 'Latest quad-core #BananaPi offers SATA support for $32...'Jun 21 00:00
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Release of OpenMandriva Lx 3.02 | Tux MachinesJun 21 00:00
*TweetTuxMachines @RyanMcCullagh favourited 'Hacker Board Survey Results: More Raspberry Pi, Please...'Jun 21 00:00
*TweetTuxMachines @RyanMcCullagh favourited '#Escuelas Linux 5.4 Educational Distribution Officially Released, Based...'Jun 21 00:00
DaemonFCI've been learning to like Pidgin as an IRC client.Jun 21 00:28
DaemonFCIt's not horrible with the IRC plugins in the plugins package.Jun 21 00:28
DaemonFCIt is kind of weird having IRC chatrooms in the same window as Facebook Messenger chats though, and there's no server tab so it makes it a little hard to see what servers you're using.Jun 21 00:29
MinceRDaemonFC: lolJun 21 00:53
MinceRDaemonFC: btw it's not necessary to part all channels before quitting :>Jun 21 00:54
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DaemonFCI don't. Jun 21 01:24
DaemonFCI think it might be doing that on its own.Jun 21 01:24
*TweetTuxMachines @RyanMcCullagh favourited 'My Ubuntu for mobile devices post mortem analysis...'Jun 21 01:27
MinceRhttp://i.imgur.com/6Ao2TQY.gifvJun 21 01:32
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-i.imgur.com | ImgurJun 21 01:32
MinceRit's also doing it wrongJun 21 01:32
MinceRyour quit message includes a couple of raw part commands togetherJun 21 01:32
DaemonFCLet's try something.Jun 21 01:55
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DaaemonFCOh crap.Jun 21 01:57
DaaemonFCWell, that's not good.Jun 21 01:57
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TweetTuxMachines@equbuntu        https://twitter.com/ptheoiasptk/status/877397487992143872Jun 21 02:03
TweetTuxMachines retweeted by    The latest The Ubuntu Daily! https://t.co/3rzYpmfSb0Jun 21 02:03
TweetTuxMachines @ptheoiasptk    (paper.li) Thanks to @tuxmachines @security_wangJun 21 02:03
TweetTuxMachines                 @phoronix #ubuntu #securityJun 21 02:03
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-paper.li | The Ubuntu DailyJun 21 02:03
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r_schestowitzhttps://twitter.com/mrt1n3z/status/877406123921469440Jun 21 02:03
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@mrt1n3z: Y was tambien y face https://t.co/uN4mL3NQ08Jun 21 02:03
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz: #bbc 'ad' for #whatsapp which has back doors https://t.co/33wL7Su9Q0 #facebook #encryption is a mirageJun 21 02:03
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TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     https://twitter.com/tuxmachines/status/877406423541579776Jun 21 02:06
TweetTuxMachines                 Games: #Cossacks3, #SeriousSam, #Sombrero SpaghettiJun 21 02:06
TweetTuxMachines                 Western Mayhem, #HITMAN, and #RocketLeagueJun 21 02:06
TweetTuxMachines                 https://t.co/GzYlaUuxX0 (www.tuxmachines.org) #gamesJun 21 02:06
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Games: Cossacks 3, Serious Sam, Sombrero: Spaghetti Western Mayhem, HITMAN, and Rocket League | Tux MachinesJun 21 02:06
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TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     https://twitter.com/tuxmachines/status/877407282925113344Jun 21 02:16
TweetTuxMachines                 #Shotwell 0.27.0Jun 21 02:16
TweetTuxMachines                  https://t.co/EVRaLqjEbZ (www.tuxmachines.org) #gnomeJun 21 02:16
TweetTuxMachines                 #freesw #gnu #linuxJun 21 02:16
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Shotwell 0.27.0 | Tux MachinesJun 21 02:16
MinceRhttps://imgur.com/gallery/I0xU4Jun 21 02:19
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-It'll be fine - Album on ImgurJun 21 02:19
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: "This article was sponsored by Microsoft and written by Linux.com." https://www.linux.com/blog/event/lc3-china/2017/6/innovating-open-source-microsofts-story #microsoft pays @linuxfoundation for puff pieceJun 21 02:26
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights--> Innovating With Open Source: Microsoft’s Story | Linux.com | The source for Linux information [ http://ur1.ca/r17gr ]Jun 21 02:27
r_schestowitzMinceR: http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=Lennart-casyncJun 21 02:34
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Lennart Poettering Announces New Project: casync - Phoronix [ http://ur1.ca/r17ih ]Jun 21 02:34
*TweetTuxMachines @tradeatore favourited 'Games: #Cossacks3, #SeriousSam, #Sombrero Spaghetti Western Mayhem, #HITMAN,...'Jun 21 02:54
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TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/877419668037935106Jun 21 02:55
TweetTuxMachines retweeted by    Games: #Cossacks3, #SeriousSam, #Sombrero SpaghettiJun 21 02:55
TweetTuxMachines @schestowitz    Western Mayhem, #HITMAN, and #RocketLeagueJun 21 02:55
TweetTuxMachines                 https://t.co/GzYlaUuxX0 (www.tuxmachines.org) #gamesJun 21 02:55
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TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/877419732428890115Jun 21 02:58
TweetTuxMachines retweeted by    #Shotwell 0.27.0Jun 21 02:58
TweetTuxMachines @schestowitz     https://t.co/EVRaLqjEbZ (www.tuxmachines.org) #gnomeJun 21 02:58
TweetTuxMachines                 #freesw #gnu #linuxJun 21 02:58
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TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     https://twitter.com/tuxmachines/status/877420399197392896Jun 21 03:01
TweetTuxMachines                 today's howtosJun 21 03:01
TweetTuxMachines                  https://t.co/gkHejdnTHX (www.tuxmachines.org) #unixJun 21 03:01
TweetTuxMachines                 #linux #gnuJun 21 03:01
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | today's howtos | Tux MachinesJun 21 03:01
TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     https://twitter.com/tuxmachines/status/877421180214534144Jun 21 03:06
TweetTuxMachines                 Ubuntu: Accelerated Video Playback, #Netplan By Default,Jun 21 03:06
TweetTuxMachines                 #Linux 4.13Jun 21 03:06
TweetTuxMachines                  https://t.co/KLiDIO0taP (www.tuxmachines.org) #ubuntuJun 21 03:06
TweetTuxMachines                 #canonical #gnu #linuxJun 21 03:06
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Ubuntu: Accelerated Video Playback, Netplan By Default, Linux 4.13 | Tux MachinesJun 21 03:06
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*TweetTuxMachines @schestowitz retweeted @tuxmachines: 'Ubuntu: Accelerated Video Playback, #Netplan By Default, #Linux...'Jun 21 03:09
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TweetTuxMachines                 #RedHat Profit Climbs 10%Jun 21 03:46
TweetTuxMachines                 https://t.co/w2rzLiFza9 (www.tuxmachines.org)  #gnuJun 21 03:46
TweetTuxMachines                 #linux #jboss #freeswJun 21 03:46
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Red Hat Profit Climbs 10% | Tux MachinesJun 21 03:47
TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     https://twitter.com/tuxmachines/status/877432566982336512Jun 21 03:48
TweetTuxMachines                 Red Hat Partnerships and Training, AWS Alliance, and NewJun 21 03:48
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TweetTuxMachines                  https://t.co/Wahuvp0GuP (www.tuxmachines.org) #redhatJun 21 03:48
TweetTuxMachines                 #aws #gnu #linuxJun 21 03:48
TweetTuxMachines Jun 21 03:49
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Red Hat Partnerships and Training, AWS Alliance, and New Interview | Tux MachinesJun 21 03:49
*TweetTuxMachines @schestowitz retweeted @tuxmachines: '#RedHat Profit Climbs 10% https://t.co/w2rzLiFza9 #gnu #linux...'Jun 21 03:49
*TweetTuxMachines @schestowitz retweeted @tuxmachines: 'Red Hat Partnerships and Training, AWS Alliance, and...'Jun 21 03:51
*TweetTuxMachines @RmTux retweeted @tuxmachines: '#RedHat Profit Climbs 10% https://t.co/w2rzLiFza9 #gnu #linux...'Jun 21 03:52
*TweetTuxMachines @bestariwebhost retweeted @tuxmachines: '#RedHat Profit Climbs 10% https://t.co/w2rzLiFza9 #gnu #linux...'Jun 21 03:58
TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     https://twitter.com/tuxmachines/status/877435395780354049Jun 21 03:59
TweetTuxMachines                 #KTechLab RevivedJun 21 03:59
TweetTuxMachines                  https://t.co/X4XkMnnU3u (www.tuxmachines.org) #kde #gnuJun 21 03:59
TweetTuxMachines                 #linuxJun 21 03:59
TweetTuxMachines Jun 21 03:59
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | KTechLab Revived | Tux MachinesJun 21 03:59
TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     https://twitter.com/tuxmachines/status/877435767966113792Jun 21 04:01
TweetTuxMachines                 #NSA on #Github NowJun 21 04:01
TweetTuxMachines                  https://t.co/OwuWpRv5uc (www.tuxmachines.org) #securityJun 21 04:01
TweetTuxMachines Jun 21 04:01
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | NSA on Github Now | Tux MachinesJun 21 04:01
XRevan86> #rekonq works with neither #mastodon nor #diaspora and #qupzilla works OK with #diaspora and even #twitter - not too bad.Jun 21 04:02
XRevan86schestowitz: There's a reason for that: rekonq is QWebKit based, QupZilla migrated to QWebEngine recently (Blink).Jun 21 04:03
XRevan86I guess nobody tests stuff in WebKit anymore :).Jun 21 04:04
TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     https://twitter.com/tuxmachines/status/877436196942749696Jun 21 04:04
TweetTuxMachines                 #Security: new updates, new flaws, and #SELinuxJun 21 04:04
TweetTuxMachines                  https://t.co/ZDe5AVaWG4 (www.tuxmachines.org) #gnu #linuxJun 21 04:04
TweetTuxMachines                 #freeswwwwwwJun 21 04:04
TweetTuxMachines Jun 21 04:04
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Security: new updates, new flaws, and SELinux | Tux MachinesJun 21 04:04
*TweetTuxMachines @schestowitz retweeted @tuxmachines: '#KTechLab Revived https://t.co/X4XkMnnU3u #kde #gnu #linux...'Jun 21 04:04
*TweetTuxMachines @schestowitz retweeted @tuxmachines: '#NSA on #Github Now https://t.co/OwuWpRv5uc #security...'Jun 21 04:04
*TweetTuxMachines @schestowitz retweeted @tuxmachines: '#Security: new updates, new flaws, and #SELinux ...'Jun 21 04:04
*TweetTuxMachines @StayBeauti_ful retweeted @tuxmachines: '#NSA on #Github Now https://t.co/OwuWpRv5uc #security...'Jun 21 04:08
TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     https://twitter.com/tuxmachines/status/877437979823943681Jun 21 04:10
TweetTuxMachines                 #Fedora 26 Plans, #CDK 3.0 on Fedora 25, and #Bodhi 2.8.0Jun 21 04:10
TweetTuxMachines                  https://t.co/aemYH2nGZT (www.tuxmachines.org) #f25 #f26Jun 21 04:10
TweetTuxMachines                 #redhat #gnu #linuxJun 21 04:10
TweetTuxMachines Jun 21 04:10
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Fedora 26 Plans, CDK 3.0 on Fedora 25, and Bodhi 2.8.0 | Tux MachinesJun 21 04:10
TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     https://twitter.com/tuxmachines/status/877438501540724736Jun 21 04:14
TweetTuxMachines                 OSS: Opus 1.2, #GraphQL, #casync, #Tensor2Tensor and MoreJun 21 04:14
TweetTuxMachines                  https://t.co/OnLmPVg4qB (www.tuxmachines.org) #freeswJun 21 04:14
TweetTuxMachines Jun 21 04:14
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | OSS: Opus 1.2, GraphQL, casync, Tensor2Tensor and More | Tux MachinesJun 21 04:14
TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     https://twitter.com/tuxmachines/status/877439526918119428Jun 21 04:14
TweetTuxMachines                 #Microsoft #Openwashing by the Linux Foundation, LockinJun 21 04:14
TweetTuxMachines                 Model, and More Openwashing With the @LinuxFoundationJun 21 04:14
TweetTuxMachines                  https://t.co/dzKwCEFNUa (www.tuxmachines.org)Jun 21 04:14
TweetTuxMachines Jun 21 04:14
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Microsoft Openwashing by the Linux Foundation, Lockin Model, and More Openwashing With the Linux Foundation | Tux MachinesJun 21 04:14
*TweetTuxMachines @schestowitz retweeted @tuxmachines: '#Fedora 26 Plans, #CDK 3.0 on Fedora 25,...'Jun 21 04:14
*TweetTuxMachines @schestowitz retweeted @tuxmachines: 'OSS: Opus 1.2, #GraphQL, #casync, #Tensor2Tensor and More...'Jun 21 04:14
TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/877439644215934976Jun 21 04:32
TweetTuxMachines retweeted by    #Microsoft #Openwashing by the Linux Foundation, LockinJun 21 04:32
TweetTuxMachines @schestowitz    Model, and More Openwashing With the @LinuxFoundationJun 21 04:32
TweetTuxMachines                  https://t.co/dzKwCEFNUa (www.tuxmachines.org)Jun 21 04:32
TweetTuxMachines Jun 21 04:32
*TweetTuxMachines @MariusNestor favourited '#Escuelas Linux 5.4 Educational Distribution Officially Released, Based...'Jun 21 04:40
*TweetTuxMachines @ScapholdDotIO favourited 'OSS: Opus 1.2, #GraphQL, #casync, #Tensor2Tensor and More...'Jun 21 04:41
*TweetTuxMachines @softpedialinux favourited '#Escuelas Linux 5.4 Educational Distribution Officially Released, Based...'Jun 21 04:41
*TweetTuxMachines @IainIsCreative favourited '#NSA on #Github Now https://t.co/OwuWpRv5uc #security...'Jun 21 04:58
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | NSA on Github Now | Tux MachinesJun 21 04:58
*TweetTuxMachines @ebijun favourited 'NetBSD Image for Raspberry Pi Updated to Improve...'Jun 21 05:07
TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     https://twitter.com/tuxmachines/status/877452793577078785Jun 21 05:08
TweetTuxMachines                 Why aren't more researchers using open source?Jun 21 05:08
TweetTuxMachines                 https://t.co/EQfDlTutTD (www.tuxmachines.org) #freeswJun 21 05:08
TweetTuxMachines                 #research #scienceJun 21 05:08
TweetTuxMachines Jun 21 05:08
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Why aren't more researchers using open source? | Tux MachinesJun 21 05:08
TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     https://twitter.com/tuxmachines/status/877452976599728128Jun 21 05:09
TweetTuxMachines                 Using #Kdump for examining #Linux #Kernel crashesJun 21 05:09
TweetTuxMachines                 https://t.co/H1sJkn1ZBV (www.tuxmachines.org)Jun 21 05:09
TweetTuxMachines Jun 21 05:09
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Using Kdump for examining Linux Kernel crashes | Tux MachinesJun 21 05:09
*TweetTuxMachines @schestowitz retweeted @tuxmachines: 'Why aren't more researchers using open source? https://t.co/EQfDlTutTD...'Jun 21 05:10
r_schestowitzXRevan86: thanks for the tipJun 21 05:13
XRevan86r_schestowitz: :)Jun 21 05:13
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TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/877453479840710656Jun 21 06:05
TweetTuxMachines retweeted by    Using #Kdump for examining #Linux #Kernel crashesJun 21 06:05
TweetTuxMachines @schestowitz    https://t.co/H1sJkn1ZBV (www.tuxmachines.org)Jun 21 06:05
TweetTuxMachines Jun 21 06:05
*TweetTuxMachines @AugustoRuibal favourited 'ROSA R9 Linux OS Now Shipping with a...'Jun 21 06:06
TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     https://twitter.com/technologytales/status/877468092087107584Jun 21 06:08
TweetTuxMachines retweeted by    #Escuelas Linux 5.4 Educational Distribution OfficiallyJun 21 06:08
TweetTuxMachines @technologytales  Released, Based on Bodhi https://t.co/RMTPSGejzAJun 21 06:08
TweetTuxMachines                 (www.tuxmachines.org) #education #gnu #linux #bodhilinuxJun 21 06:08
TweetTuxMachines Jun 21 06:08
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Escuelas Linux 5.4 Educational Distribution Officially Released, Based on Bodhi | Tux MachinesJun 21 06:08
MinceRschestowitz: i don't trust poettering's crapJun 21 06:08
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TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     https://twitter.com/iamunnip/status/877502712241283072Jun 21 08:26
TweetTuxMachines retweeted by    #Escuelas Linux 5.4 Educational Distribution OfficiallyJun 21 08:26
TweetTuxMachines @iamunnip       Released, Based on Bodhi https://t.co/RMTPSGejzAJun 21 08:26
TweetTuxMachines                 (www.tuxmachines.org) #education #gnu #linux #bodhilinuxJun 21 08:26
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oiaohmcubexyz: I guess you have already seen this https://github.com/dspinellis/unix-history-repoJun 21 08:52
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-GitHub - dspinellis/unix-history-repo: Continuous Unix commit history from 1970 until today [ http://ur1.ca/r19jv ]Jun 21 08:52
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*TweetTuxMachines @softlockup favourited '#Escuelas Linux 5.4 Educational Distribution Officially Released, Based...'Jun 21 09:19
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sebsebseb hiJun 21 09:29
sebsebsebrazielle_tzu: pingJun 21 09:29
razielle_tzu'sup?Jun 21 09:37
schestowitzyoJun 21 09:39
sebsebsebrazielle_tzu: got an annoying meeting coming up!Jun 21 09:50
sebsebsebhereJun 21 09:50
sebsebsebthen tommrowo should be good :dJun 21 09:51
sebsebsebrazielle_tzu: going to have to kick dogs out of other room before that !Jun 21 09:51
sebsebsebor try to hmmJun 21 09:51
sebsebsebrazielle_tzu: computer support tommorow, and public speaking :DJun 21 09:53
razielle_tzufairJun 21 09:53
*TweetTuxMachines @CrashPlanSlow favourited 'Software: Journal Apps, #GNU #Automake, #Weblate, #Gammu, and...'Jun 21 09:53
*TweetTuxMachines @StayBeauti_ful favourited '#Escuelas Linux 5.4 Educational Distribution Officially Released, Based...'Jun 21 09:53
sebsebsebrazielle_tzu: thats lots of WIndows stuff :D oh yeahJun 21 09:54
sebsebsebrazielle_tzu: 10 pound an hourJun 21 09:54
sebsebsebI should make quite a lot tommorow :DJun 21 09:54
sebsebsebits Windows after all !Jun 21 09:54
XRevan86sebsebseb: hiJun 21 09:54
sebsebsebXRevan86: hiJun 21 09:54
XRevan86sebsebseb: That's the best Windows feature, yeah.Jun 21 09:55
sebsebsebXRevan86: yep nice and slow :dJun 21 09:55
sebsebsebyes mamybe I aam wrong and can aactsaully make enough money doing windows system admin home sjupport small bsuiness etc hmmJun 21 09:56
sebsebsebhe h  h ehJun 21 09:56
sebsebsebbut really I am doing Linuxey stuff tomrowowJun 21 09:56
sebsebsebwith a woman from my lugJun 21 09:56
sebsebsebback to Linux after 8 yearsJun 21 09:56
*XRevan86 is confused now :).Jun 21 09:56
sebsebsebinvited her to my other group as well so hopefuly comes :)Jun 21 09:56
sebsebsebXRevan86: I am doing Linux support tommorwo for real not WindowsJun 21 09:56
XRevan86sebsebseb: And what's with 8 years?Jun 21 09:56
sebsebsebXRevan86: she hasn't been using desktop linux for 8 yearsJun 21 09:57
XRevan86You haven't used Linux in 8 years?Jun 21 09:57
sebsebsebno herJun 21 09:57
XRevan86oh, she hasn'tJun 21 09:57
sebsebsebthe womanJun 21 09:57
sebsebsebshes back recnetly using itJun 21 09:57
XRevan86sebsebseb: You can tell her that a random dude from Russia approved her choice :).Jun 21 09:57
sebsebsebXRevan86: shes  scared to re install ubuntuJun 21 09:57
sebsebsebdespite having a seprate /homeJun 21 09:58
sebsebseband worried about slogin some thingsJun 21 09:58
sebsebsebso going to put another ubuntu install on tomrowo as well probablyJun 21 09:58
sebsebsebseems she already has a seprate /home as well, some guy in a shop set her upJun 21 09:58
sebsebsebyep dual booting ubuntu :d  same distro same versionJun 21 09:58
XRevan86sebsebseb: When I did reinstalling, I got the old distro stacked in a directory.Jun 21 09:59
XRevan86so that I could get stuff from it using chrootJun 21 09:59
XRevan86and then easily "rm -rf" it when enough time passedJun 21 09:59
sebsebsebXRevan86: yeah but will keep itJun 21 10:00
sebsebsebshe has some custom set up etcJun 21 10:01
sebsebsebtaht doens't want toj ust loseJun 21 10:01
XRevan86sebsebseb: Also, why reinstalling?Jun 21 10:01
sebsebsebwill take her time to set upJun 21 10:01
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TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     https://twitter.com/StayBeauti_ful/status/877524964185952256Jun 21 10:13
TweetTuxMachines retweeted by    #Escuelas Linux 5.4 Educational Distribution OfficiallyJun 21 10:13
TweetTuxMachines @StayBeauti_ful  Released, Based on Bodhi https://t.co/RMTPSGejzAJun 21 10:13
TweetTuxMachines                 (www.tuxmachines.org) #education #gnu #linux #bodhilinuxJun 21 10:13
TweetTuxMachines Jun 21 10:13
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Escuelas Linux 5.4 Educational Distribution Officially Released, Based on Bodhi | Tux MachinesJun 21 10:13
TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     https://twitter.com/tuxmachines/status/877529752646688768Jun 21 10:15
TweetTuxMachines                 Red Hat is Breaking RecordsJun 21 10:15
TweetTuxMachines                 https://t.co/5DDvAlszpt (www.tuxmachines.org) #redhatJun 21 10:15
TweetTuxMachines                 #rhtJun 21 10:15
TweetTuxMachines Jun 21 10:15
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Red Hat is Breaking Records | Tux MachinesJun 21 10:15
*TweetTuxMachines @schestowitz retweeted @tuxmachines: 'Red Hat is Breaking Records https://t.co/5DDvAlszpt #redhat #rht...'Jun 21 10:18
*TweetTuxMachines @Amandajeyanam favourited 'Red Hat is Breaking Records https://t.co/5DDvAlszpt #redhat #rht...'Jun 21 10:22
TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     https://twitter.com/tuxmachines/status/877532157173956608Jun 21 10:29
TweetTuxMachines                 #Devuan and #Debian UpdatesJun 21 10:29
TweetTuxMachines                  https://t.co/tiILyrgU9i (www.tuxmachines.org) #gnu #linuxJun 21 10:29
TweetTuxMachines                 #systemdJun 21 10:29
TweetTuxMachines Jun 21 10:29
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Devuan and Debian Updates | Tux MachinesJun 21 10:29
*TweetTuxMachines @schestowitz retweeted @tuxmachines: '#Devuan and #Debian Updates https://t.co/tiILyrgU9i #gnu #linux...'Jun 21 10:30
*TweetTuxMachines @tuxmachines favourited '@Snowden This reaffirms the view that people must...'Jun 21 10:34
TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     https://twitter.com/tuxmachines/status/877535051315113984Jun 21 10:35
TweetTuxMachines                 #Graphics News: Intel KVMGT/XenGT GVT-g, Radeon InstinctJun 21 10:35
TweetTuxMachines                 Accelerator, Intel Graphics Driver Updates For #LinuxJun 21 10:35
TweetTuxMachines                 4.13Jun 21 10:35
TweetTuxMachines                 https://t.co/iQ0TXl5MLS (www.tuxmachines.org)Jun 21 10:35
TweetTuxMachines Jun 21 10:35
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Graphics News: Intel KVMGT/XenGT GVT-g, Radeon Instinct Accelerator, Intel Graphics Driver Updates For Linux 4.13 | Tux MachinesJun 21 10:35
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*TweetTuxMachines @schestowitz retweeted @tuxmachines: '#Graphics News: Intel KVMGT/XenGT GVT-g, Radeon Instinct Accelerator,...'Jun 21 10:47
TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     https://twitter.com/Pros_P33/status/877538388890591235Jun 21 10:48
TweetTuxMachines retweeted by    #Graphics News: Intel KVMGT/XenGT GVT-g, Radeon InstinctJun 21 10:48
TweetTuxMachines @Pros_P33       Accelerator, Intel Graphics Driver Updates For #LinuxJun 21 10:48
TweetTuxMachines                 4.13Jun 21 10:48
TweetTuxMachines                 https://t.co/iQ0TXl5MLS (www.tuxmachines.org)Jun 21 10:48
TweetTuxMachines Jun 21 10:48
TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     https://twitter.com/tuxmachines/status/877538636539015170Jun 21 10:48
TweetTuxMachines                 Games: Back to FOSS Roots and More Multi-/Cross-PlatformJun 21 10:48
TweetTuxMachines                 Games (Proprietary)Jun 21 10:48
TweetTuxMachines                  https://t.co/rYDzXQvY38 (www.tuxmachines.org) #gamesJun 21 10:48
TweetTuxMachines                 #gaming #gnu #linuxJun 21 10:48
TweetTuxMachines Jun 21 10:48
*TweetTuxMachines @AllDayIndieDev retweeted @tuxmachines: 'Games: Back to FOSS Roots and More Multi-/Cross-Platform...'Jun 21 10:48
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Games: Back to FOSS Roots and More Multi-/Cross-Platform Games (Proprietary) | Tux MachinesJun 21 10:48
*TweetTuxMachines @AllDayIndieDev favourited 'Games: Back to FOSS Roots and More Multi-/Cross-Platform...'Jun 21 10:50
TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     https://twitter.com/owlbelief/status/877539064563585026Jun 21 10:51
TweetTuxMachines retweeted by    #Devuan and #Debian UpdatesJun 21 10:51
TweetTuxMachines @owlbelief       https://t.co/tiILyrgU9i (www.tuxmachines.org) #gnu #linuxJun 21 10:51
TweetTuxMachines                 #systemdJun 21 10:51
TweetTuxMachines Jun 21 10:51
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Devuan and Debian Updates | Tux MachinesJun 21 10:51
*TweetTuxMachines @schestowitz retweeted @tuxmachines: 'Games: Back to FOSS Roots and More Multi-/Cross-Platform...'Jun 21 10:51
*TweetTuxMachines @StephenLSims retweeted @tuxmachines: 'Games: Back to FOSS Roots and More Multi-/Cross-Platform...'Jun 21 10:56
TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     https://twitter.com/tuxmachines/status/877540677533532160Jun 21 10:57
TweetTuxMachines                 #Linux on Devices: #Linaro, #RaspberryPi, #Joule,Jun 21 10:57
TweetTuxMachines                 #Edison, and #GalileoJun 21 10:57
TweetTuxMachines                 https://t.co/mfWcQTsdz4 (www.tuxmachines.org) #raspi #gnuJun 21 10:57
TweetTuxMachines                 #intelJun 21 10:57
TweetTuxMachines Jun 21 10:57
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Linux on Devices: Linaro, Raspberry Pi, Joule, Edison, and Galileo | Tux MachinesJun 21 10:57
*TweetTuxMachines @calcaware retweeted @tuxmachines: '#Linux on Devices: #Linaro, #RaspberryPi, #Joule, #Edison, and...'Jun 21 10:58
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*TweetTuxMachines @schestowitz retweeted @tuxmachines: '#Linux on Devices: #Linaro, #RaspberryPi, #Joule, #Edison, and...'Jun 21 11:04
TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     https://twitter.com/cybershellsec/status/877542768578629633Jun 21 11:05
TweetTuxMachines retweeted by    #Devuan and #Debian UpdatesJun 21 11:05
TweetTuxMachines @cybershellsec   https://t.co/tiILyrgU9i (www.tuxmachines.org) #gnu #linuxJun 21 11:05
TweetTuxMachines                 #systemdJun 21 11:05
TweetTuxMachines Jun 21 11:05
*TweetTuxMachines @tuxmachines favourited '@MacCocktail @Snowden It's about control. If they cannot...'Jun 21 11:09
*TweetTuxMachines @tuxmachines favourited retweet 'RT @schestowitz: @MacCocktail @Snowden It's about control. If...'Jun 21 11:10
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*TweetTuxMachines @BitcoinWrld favourited '#Devuan and #Debian Updates https://t.co/tiILyrgU9i #gnu #linux...'Jun 21 11:29
TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     https://twitter.com/tuxmachines/status/877548984260329473Jun 21 11:32
TweetTuxMachines                 #KDE News: #Calamares, #FOSSASIA, #DigiKam, Curves,Jun 21 11:33
TweetTuxMachines                 #KRuler, and MoreJun 21 11:33
TweetTuxMachines                  https://t.co/DTGZNqAvYD (www.tuxmachines.org) #plasmaJun 21 11:33
TweetTuxMachines                 #gnu #linuxJun 21 11:33
TweetTuxMachines Jun 21 11:33
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | KDE News: Calamares, FOSSASIA, DigiKam, Curves, KRuler, and More | Tux MachinesJun 21 11:33
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TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/877549837453021184Jun 21 11:46
TweetTuxMachines retweeted by    #KDE News: #Calamares, #FOSSASIA, #DigiKam, Curves,Jun 21 11:46
TweetTuxMachines @schestowitz    #KRuler, and MoreJun 21 11:46
TweetTuxMachines                  https://t.co/DTGZNqAvYD (www.tuxmachines.org) #plasmaJun 21 11:46
TweetTuxMachines                 #gnu #linuxJun 21 11:46
TweetTuxMachines Jun 21 11:46
*TweetTuxMachines @tuxmachines favourited '@jeremycorbyn @theresa_may Labour got nearly as many votes...'Jun 21 11:46
*TweetTuxMachines @tuxmachines favourited retweet 'RT @schestowitz: @jeremycorbyn @theresa_may Labour got nearly as...'Jun 21 11:47
*TweetTuxMachines @Pros_P33 retweeted @tuxmachines: '#KDE News: #Calamares, #FOSSASIA, #DigiKam, Curves, #KRuler, and...'Jun 21 11:50
TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     https://twitter.com/tuxmachines/status/877554194387017729Jun 21 11:54
TweetTuxMachines                 #Univention Corporate Server 4.2-1Jun 21 11:54
TweetTuxMachines                  https://t.co/0APUX4huK3 (www.tuxmachines.org) #debianJun 21 11:54
TweetTuxMachines                 #gnu #linux #ucsJun 21 11:54
TweetTuxMachines Jun 21 11:54
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Univention Corporate Server 4.2-1 | Tux MachinesJun 21 11:54
TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     https://twitter.com/tuxmachines/status/877555240308019200Jun 21 11:54
TweetTuxMachines                 #Mozilla News: #Firefox Focus for #Android, $2 MillionJun 21 11:54
TweetTuxMachines                 Prize to Decentralize, and #AdBlockingJun 21 11:54
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TweetTuxMachines                 Links 21/6/2017: Red Hat's Numbers Are Up, New DebianJun 21 13:05
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MinceRhttp://random.cat/i/ZHOEq.jpgJun 21 14:57
*TweetTuxMachines @tuxmachines favourited '@JulianAssange This too might not bee enough given...'Jun 21 15:00
*TweetTuxMachines @tuxmachines favourited '@Snowden @NSAGov @CIA @FBI Sometimes they do this...'Jun 21 15:11
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MinceRapparently qupzilla 2.0.0 uses QtWebEngine, which is based on BlinkJun 21 15:39
XRevan86MinceR: Yeah, it does.Jun 21 15:41
schestowitzjust checked their blogJun 21 15:41
schestowitza moment agoJun 21 15:41
schestowitzlast release in MarchJun 21 15:41
schestowitzI am trying to get my head around itJun 21 15:41
schestowitzthere are some things that don't work too wellJun 21 15:41
schestowitzAsa wrote to me todayJun 21 15:42
schestowitzto offer help with FirefoxJun 21 15:42
XRevan86schestowitz: QupZilla does get new commits and stuff.Jun 21 15:42
schestowitzit works OK for most thingsJun 21 15:42
schestowitzI still use Firefox only for a few thingsJun 21 15:42
schestowitzand it make a mess with RAM if I start itJun 21 15:43
XRevan86It eats 1.5G for me right now, out of 8GJun 21 15:43
schestowitzhow many tabs?Jun 21 15:43
schestowitzand how much of this RAM is in the heap?Jun 21 15:44
XRevan86schestowitz: 39 tabsJun 21 15:44
XRevan86922.00 MB ── heap-mapped | 705.68 MB ── heap-allocatedJun 21 15:44
XRevan86schestowitz: that?Jun 21 15:45
schestowitzso less than a gigJun 21 15:45
schestowitzor 24mb per tabJun 21 15:45
XRevan86> or 24mb per tabJun 21 15:46
XRevan86I don't have multiprocessing enabledJun 21 15:46
XRevan86too many addons :)Jun 21 15:46
schestowitzfirefox started crashing on meJun 21 15:46
schestowitzalmost at randomJun 21 15:46
schestowitzso I wanted multi-processJun 21 15:46
schestowitzthe whole thing is a messJun 21 15:46
XRevan86Things work fine by me, really.Jun 21 15:47
XRevan86At least in this point in time. I dread the removal of XUL.Jun 21 15:48
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MinceRhttp://imgur.com/BRP4DmyJun 21 15:54
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Discovered I've still got a nest of cats infecting my bed. I'll re-treat the area again this week. - GIF on ImgurJun 21 15:54
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schestowitzMinceR: wow, ears....Jun 21 16:04
schestowitzUS power socketJun 21 16:04
schestowitzhttp://imgur.com/gallery/B4P25Jun 21 16:05
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-I think the Queen just trolled our prime-minister today over brexit  - Album on ImgurJun 21 16:05
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MinceR:)Jun 21 16:06
XRevan86Someone just posted an imgur link in a different chat. I opened it and it showed 404. Again. What the fudge…Jun 21 16:30
XRevan86It's the second imgur link that shows me 404 in Firefox.Jun 21 16:31
MinceRimgur has gone cancerousJun 21 16:36
MinceRthey fuck with direct linksJun 21 16:36
MinceRnaturally, they bloated their site firstJun 21 16:37
XRevan86MinceR: indeedJun 21 16:37
DaemonFCOpenMandriva made the bizarre decision to change the default compiler to Clang.Jun 21 16:38
XRevan86DaemonFC: Quite a while ago.Jun 21 16:38
XRevan86Nobody cares about Mandriva so it went unnoticed.Jun 21 16:39
DaemonFCPhoronix benchmarked it against other distributions and found that it wasn't the best performing distro on any of the tests, but it came in dead last on four of them.Jun 21 16:39
DaemonFCOne of the reasons I use Fedora is because they always use something close to the latest GCC and glibc, among other things.Jun 21 16:40
DaemonFCSo it usually performs very well.Jun 21 16:40
*XRevan86 looks at gcc-7-2.1.x86_64 and glibc-2.25-2.3.x86_64Jun 21 16:40
XRevan86DaemonFC: What versions do you have on Fedora?Jun 21 16:40
XRevan86* gcc7-7.1.1+r248590-1.1.x86_64Jun 21 16:41
XRevan86wrong packageJun 21 16:41
DaemonFCGCC 7.1.1 and Glibc 2.25, but they frequently update their package past the official stated version.Jun 21 16:42
DaemonFCThey pushed an updated glibc that took it to the latest git commit for the 2.25 branch this morning.Jun 21 16:42
XRevan86DaemonFC: I see you're on betaJun 21 16:43
DaemonFCBecause it fixed a list of bugs and one CVE.Jun 21 16:43
DaemonFCYes, and it's quite stable right now.Jun 21 16:43
DaemonFCThere were some issues of parts of the Gnome Shell crashing earlier in the cycle.Jun 21 16:43
DaemonFCIt was frustrating, but it's not a finished product, so there's that.Jun 21 16:44
DaemonFCThey just released the latest stable Mesa packages as well.Jun 21 16:46
DaemonFCA bunch of Intel bugs fixed in 17.1.3.Jun 21 16:46
DaemonFCSkylake is starting to work quite nicely.Jun 21 16:46
DaemonFCI may not ultimately stick with Fedora.Jun 21 16:47
DaemonFCI might keep 26 around for a while and hop off onto CentOS 8 at some point in the future.Jun 21 16:47
DaemonFCI very much doubt that CentOS 8 is more than a year out. Jun 21 16:47
DaemonFCI could do an in place upgrade to Fedora 27 if I need to. Their process is finally reliable.Jun 21 16:48
DaemonFChttp://phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=Gallium-Uniform-PackingJun 21 16:49
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-More Driver CPU Overhead Work Being Tackled By Valve Developers - PhoronixJun 21 16:49
DaemonFCIt's nice to see Valve so interested in Linux.Jun 21 16:50
DaemonFCI noticed several video games that work better on Intel's Linux drivers than on their Windows 10 stuff.Jun 21 16:51
MinceRit would be nicer if they were also interested in GNUJun 21 16:51
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XRevan86MinceR: Well, they use GNU stuff %)Jun 21 16:52
MinceRafaik they depend on a fuckton of poetteringwareJun 21 16:52
XRevan86MinceR: SteamOS is Debian based.Jun 21 16:53
MinceRwhich is lendowsJun 21 16:53
cubexyzdid you look at casync?Jun 21 17:06
MinceRnoJun 21 17:07
cubexyzthe first thing I thought when I heard about it was if it would work without systemdJun 21 17:09
cubexyzok, good news :)Jun 21 17:11
MinceRand you still believe poettering?Jun 21 17:11
cubexyzit doesn't need systemd and it will work on linux systems without itJun 21 17:11
MinceRhe's a slimy lying piece of shitJun 21 17:11
cubexyzwhy do you say that?Jun 21 17:11
MinceRhttp://archive.is/pxRdY   https://lists.freedesktop.org/archives/systemd-devel/2014-May/019657.htmlJun 21 17:11
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-archive.is | The future of the udev source treeJun 21 17:11
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-lists.freedesktop.org | [systemd-devel] [PATCH] Drop the udev firmware loaderJun 21 17:12
MinceRthis is why i say thatJun 21 17:12
cubexyzbecause you believe that udev won't stay non-systemd compatibleJun 21 17:13
MinceR"for a long time"Jun 21 17:14
MinceR"For us, compatibility is key."Jun 21 17:14
cubexyzok, it's 2017...Jun 21 17:17
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cubexyzand I'm using slack with udev Jun 21 17:17
cubexyzwithout systemdJun 21 17:17
DaemonFCMust be an old version of udevJun 21 17:17
MinceRthat's eudevJun 21 17:19
MinceRslackware switched to eudevJun 21 17:19
MinceRbecause poettering is a lying piece of shitJun 21 17:19
cubexyzok, yes eudev 3.1.5Jun 21 17:19
MinceR(that was one of the new things in 14.2)Jun 21 17:20
cubexyzI assume it was forked?Jun 21 17:20
cubexyzah yes I see it isJun 21 17:20
MinceRalso, approximately 2 years passed between those postsJun 21 17:21
cubexyztwo bad things happened that I didn't likeJun 21 17:25
cubexyzscanner protocols started becaming more obfuscated around.... Jun 21 17:25
cubexyzwhen HP eliminated software developer support in august of 2001Jun 21 17:26
MinceRalso, crApple bought CUPS and shat into itJun 21 17:27
MinceR1 crApple, 1 CUPSJun 21 17:27
cubexyzthen after that /dev/usb/scanner0 was dropped... no more fopen on that Jun 21 17:27
cubexyzso to counter that I started maintaining the older systems Jun 21 17:28
cubexyzok, I didn't realize apple bought CUPSJun 21 17:29
DaemonFCI heard that eudev was not maintained anymore.Jun 21 17:30
MinceRhttp://imgur.com/gallery/KevFRJun 21 17:30
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-This has to be the best bitch slap in the history of video games - Album on ImgurJun 21 17:30
MinceRDaemonFC: from red hat?Jun 21 17:30
DaemonFCNo, I can't recall where I read that.Jun 21 17:31
DaemonFCbbiabJun 21 17:31
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cubexyznot sure what's going on with eudev to be honestJun 21 17:38
oiaohmOne of the embed conference developers in 2016 build systemd and then left behind only udev and it worked other than systemd containing rules files.Jun 21 17:40
oiaohmSo at this stage it appears nothing any different to what was done with sysvinit to make incompatibilities with other init systems has been done.Jun 21 17:42
MinceRfinally, the white knight, defender of corrupt corporations, is hereJun 21 17:42
oiaohmReally it s bit of a joke to thing udev was init neutral Jun 21 17:42
MinceRyes, was.Jun 21 17:43
oiaohmNo it was not.Jun 21 17:43
MinceRnote the past tenseJun 21 17:43
MinceRoiaohm: do you own stock in red hat?Jun 21 17:43
oiaohmThe rules were always tainted with sysvinit stuff before systemd.Jun 21 17:43
cubexyzdid apple do anything bad to CUPS?Jun 21 17:43
oiaohmAnd you had to remove those when you want to use runit and other init systems.Jun 21 17:43
cubexyzI still use it and it seems to work Jun 21 17:43
MinceRthey made the web ui unnecessarily uglyJun 21 17:43
MinceRand they removed some feature _they_ did not needJun 21 17:43
oiaohmMinceR: of course you never would have using a non sysvinit back then.Jun 21 17:43
oiaohmMinceR: so you would have never known.Jun 21 17:43
MinceRoiaohm: sysvinit was easy to replaceJun 21 17:44
oiaohmMinceR: right when in some distributions hard drives did not even udev up correctly.Jun 21 17:44
oiaohmMinceR: as I said you had never tried it.Jun 21 17:44
MinceRoiaohm: i never needed toJun 21 17:45
oiaohmMinceR: see multi did not really exist ever.Jun 21 17:45
MinceRoiaohm: sysvinit didn't break cron, or syslogd, or atd, or tmux, or screen, or dtachJun 21 17:45
oiaohmMinceR: only people who believed that never tried it.Jun 21 17:45
oiaohmMinceR: also systemd did not break tmux or screen or dtach.  Any different to what could happen with consolekit.  Only thing was a default change.Jun 21 17:46
cubexyzgot a bit of a shock recently about sane-rts8891Jun 21 17:46
oiaohmMinceR: and cron will work under systemdJun 21 17:46
MinceRoiaohm: yes it didJun 21 17:46
cubexyz"scanners of the same model exist with different sensors"Jun 21 17:46
MinceRoiaohm: consolekit did not change the default.Jun 21 17:46
MinceRoiaohm: yes, and cronjobs will be killed if cron is restartedJun 21 17:46
MinceRwhich is completely ass backwardsJun 21 17:47
MinceRit follows from an assumption systemd makes that simply does not holdJun 21 17:47
oiaohmMinceR: it was a console kit option.  To kill processes on user logout.Jun 21 17:47
MinceRbut it's not like you'd ever careJun 21 17:47
oiaohmMinceR: of course that was off by default.Jun 21 17:47
MinceRbecause something something slowlaris fucked up similarly tooJun 21 17:47
MinceRoiaohm: do you know the difference between options and defaults?Jun 21 17:47
oiaohmMinceR: yes and being a option any distribution in a global config file any distribution could have decided to ship with it reversed.Jun 21 17:48
oiaohmMinceR: so prove that the choosen default is wrong.Jun 21 17:48
cubexyzand in the old days I could specify the dpi on my scans...Jun 21 17:48
oiaohmMinceR: yet no distribution has.Jun 21 17:48
MinceRoiaohm: and then you could tell which distros are made by people who don't know what they're doingJun 21 17:48
cubexyz175, 200, 250 whatever I wantedJun 21 17:48
MinceRoiaohm: as your favorite malware made it possible all the sameJun 21 17:48
cubexyzand I don't think XPA was ever supported with rts8891 based scanners :-/Jun 21 17:52
cubexyzoops, wait... I stand correctedJun 21 17:53
cubexyzeventually we did get XPA support for HP 4470CJun 21 17:53
cubexyzbut there are at least two different CCDsJun 21 17:54
cubexyzSANE deals with this by implementing CCD1 and CCD2 supportJun 21 17:54
cubexyzyeah so I was looking at an old man pageJun 21 17:55
cubexyznot my fault though!Jun 21 17:56
cubexyzI even looked at slackware 14.2 man page and they just didn't bother updating itJun 21 17:57
cubexyzbecause you know everybody loves nroff so much :-PJun 21 17:57
MinceRhttp://www.smbc-comics.com/comic/reasoning   http://smbc-comics.com/comics/1496240951-20170531after%20%281%29.pngJun 21 17:58
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.smbc-comics.com | Saturday Morning Breakfast Cereal - ReasoningJun 21 17:58
MinceRi'd pick nroff over m$ office any dayJun 21 17:59
cubexyzwell yeah :)Jun 21 18:00
cubexyzand you know I still use nroffJun 21 18:00
MinceRnormally i use [La]TeX insteadJun 21 18:03
cubexyzI'm pretty sure all SANE needed to do was turn on the XPA light, ta-da instant XPA supportJun 21 18:03
oiaohmMinceR: really lot of your complains are done without history.  logind added as a option not default to kill processes on log out.   Distributions deploying logind turned this on by config file first.  The latter logind default was set to match distributions while adding option for per user override.Jun 21 18:04
MinceRoiaohm: i don't care about systemd-logindJun 21 18:04
MinceRnever did, never willJun 21 18:04
oiaohmMinceR: So some issues with logind are coming from distributions to reduced number of bugs distributions have reported.Jun 21 18:04
MinceRyou're so zealous i can't even untangle your grammar anymoreJun 21 18:05
oiaohmMinceR: hardened distributions in sysvinit were known for same thing.Jun 21 18:05
oiaohmMinceR: including kill off everything in cron when cron died due to using something management around it.Jun 21 18:06
MinceRooh, running a massive hairball as root as pid1 is now "hardened"Jun 21 18:06
MinceRdo you get your terminology from microsoft?Jun 21 18:06
oiaohmMinceR: most of this did not come from left field.Jun 21 18:06
MinceRoiaohm: it should have stayed where it came fromJun 21 18:06
MinceRoiaohm: if you people thought this malicious shit was so perfect you should have let people choose it on their own instead of using politics to force it on everyoneJun 21 18:07
oiaohmMinceR: if you did care about what Logind did then you should not have raised the tmux screen and detach issues.Jun 21 18:07
MinceRoiaohm: at this point i'd refuse to adopt the shit you're pushing even if it was benign and goodJun 21 18:07
MinceRthat it's a piece of ill-designed malware is just icing on the turdJun 21 18:07
oiaohmMinceR: not all the issue you are raising should be going back to systemd.  Some are distribution maintainer selections.Jun 21 18:07
MinceRoiaohm: try to get this through your thick skull: the free software community is not, and should not be, an empireJun 21 18:08
oiaohmThen you have to ask why are they selecting that way.Jun 21 18:08
MinceRoiaohm: i do not need an emperor, and i'm pretty sure many other people don't need oneJun 21 18:08
MinceReither.Jun 21 18:08
MinceRoiaohm: yes, which happen to be controlled by red hatJun 21 18:08
oiaohmMinceR: then why were harden distributions doing some of these thing before systemd existed.Jun 21 18:09
MinceRoiaohm: hardening is not the same as randomly fucking with users and forcing things on them by using dependencies as weaponsJun 21 18:10
oiaohmMinceR: logind killing screen dtach, tmux on logout is the same a console kit in harden distribution doing it.   So that was hardening against a particular type of issue.   Except the harded distribution was less userfriendly that user could not say X user would avoid termination.Jun 21 18:11
MinceRoiaohm: if one was to harden systemd, they would have to throw out most of it.Jun 21 18:12
MinceRoiaohm: at any rate, hardening can only be done properly by the sysadmin, not by a self-appointed dictator from on high, since every system will be different regarding what they can let goJun 21 18:13
oiaohmMinceR: system admin still has to have the tools.   Some things that systemd has done like having a option to terminate applications on user logout should be part of the default kit of tools and that is why hardened distributions had it.Jun 21 18:15
MinceRoiaohm: ill-conceived defaults are not toolsJun 21 18:15
MinceRoptions are toolsJun 21 18:15
oiaohmMinceR: it was a option until it was seen that the first 5 distributions were turning it on by default and so far there as not being one turning it off since change to default.Jun 21 18:16
MinceRoiaohm: maybe you need to study what "freedom" isJun 21 18:16
oiaohmMaybe you should.Jun 21 18:16
MinceRthe "first 5 distributions" are garbageJun 21 18:16
oiaohmThe freedom to change the default is still there.Jun 21 18:16
MinceRwhere is the freedom to not use cancerd?Jun 21 18:16
MinceR"Gentoo folks, this is your wakeup call."Jun 21 18:17
oiaohmembedded system developer use that freedom all the time.Jun 21 18:17
MinceRas long as your beloved redhat allows them toJun 21 18:17
oiaohmThen the question comes why are distribution maintainers mostly choosing the same path.Jun 21 18:17
MinceRbecause many of them relied on gnome, which is controlled by red hatJun 21 18:17
MinceRthey announced that gnome will depend on systemd and the puppets followed themJun 21 18:18
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DaemonFCI don't know why Fedora still has Xchat packages when the last release was 7 years ago.Jun 21 18:31
DaemonFCHexChat is actively developed. They have that too.Jun 21 18:31
MinceRif things are properly automatized, it might be less work to leave it inJun 21 18:32
cubexyzI'm using xchat stillJun 21 18:37
cubexyz2.8.6 on this boxJun 21 18:38
MinceRi tried weechat, then went back to irssiJun 21 18:38
DaemonFChttps://hexchat.github.io/news/hexchat-and-antivirus.htmlJun 21 18:40
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-hexchat.github.io | HexChat and antivirus – HexChatJun 21 18:40
DaemonFCWhen I used IRC on my AT&T DSL account years ago ,they kept sending me warnings that I had a virus.Jun 21 18:40
DaemonFCAnd as proof, "There was IRC traffic detected from your computer.".Jun 21 18:40
cubexyzslackware 14.2 has hexchatJun 21 18:40
cubexyzevidently the windows version of xchat was shareware and you were supposed to pay a one-time fee of $20Jun 21 18:43
cubexyzhexedit and xchat look very similarJun 21 18:48
DaemonFChttps://phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=Intel-CET-GCC-PatchesJun 21 19:03
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Intel Posts Control-Flow Enforcement Support For GCC - Phoronix [ http://ur1.ca/r1cvb ]Jun 21 19:03
DaemonFCShould be the default ASAP. There's no downside to running the program on a processor without support for it other than the additional protection won't work.Jun 21 19:04
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TweetTuxMachines @schestowitz     https://t.co/EVlRGUvSX8 (www.tuxmachines.org) #securityJun 21 20:18
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TweetTuxMachines @schestowitz     https://t.co/Jm26Tcopeb (www.tuxmachines.org) #freeswJun 21 20:22
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TweetTuxMachines                 https://t.co/jyFfJMYO4C (www.tuxmachines.org) #gnu #grubJun 21 20:24
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TweetTuxMachines @schestowitz     https://t.co/KuTsRyQ2gv (www.tuxmachines.org) #freeswJun 21 20:24
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TweetTuxMachines @schestowitz     https://t.co/pK6nIV5nnL (www.tuxmachines.org) #gnu #linuxJun 21 20:28
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TweetTuxMachines @schestowitz     https://t.co/w8a7MzMWBG (www.tuxmachines.org) #freeswJun 21 20:28
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TweetTuxMachines retweeted by    #Servers LeftoversJun 21 20:33
TweetTuxMachines @schestowitz    https://t.co/gCn7DDmmMJ (www.tuxmachines.org) #freeswJun 21 20:33
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TweetTuxMachines retweeted by    today's #tuxmachines leftoversJun 21 20:33
TweetTuxMachines @schestowitz    https://t.co/TlY0lS9YMf (www.tuxmachines.org)Jun 21 20:33
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TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/877685973919965184Jun 21 20:41
TweetTuxMachines retweeted by    Boot Repair Tool - Repair The Most Boot Related ProblemsJun 21 20:41
TweetTuxMachines @schestowitz    https://t.co/jyFfJMYO4C (www.tuxmachines.org) #gnu #grubJun 21 20:41
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TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/877687940419342336Jun 21 20:44
TweetTuxMachines retweeted by    Links 21/6/2017: Red Hat's Numbers Are Up, New DebianJun 21 20:44
TweetTuxMachines @schestowitz    Being Studied https://t.co/GYKhS0WeRd (techrights.org)Jun 21 20:44
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TweetTuxMachines                 #Debian, #RedHat and #CentOS All Patch the Stack ClashJun 21 20:45
TweetTuxMachines                 #Linux #Kernel Vulnerability https://t.co/kQFKIl5nYSJun 21 20:45
TweetTuxMachines                 (www.tuxmachines.org) #security #gnuJun 21 20:45
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*TweetTuxMachines @RemoteWorkingCo favourited '#Debian, #RedHat and #CentOS All Patch the Stack...'Jun 21 20:45
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TweetTuxMachines                 Samsung Tizen 4.0 OS evolves as the IoT Ecosystem expandsJun 21 20:47
TweetTuxMachines                 https://t.co/Z9eIPFBLM6 (www.tuxmachines.org) #tizen #gnuJun 21 20:47
TweetTuxMachines                 #linux #tizenOSJun 21 20:47
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*TweetTuxMachines @Pros_P33 retweeted @tuxmachines: '#Debian, #RedHat and #CentOS All Patch the Stack...'Jun 21 20:51
*TweetTuxMachines @schestowitz retweeted @tuxmachines: '#Debian, #RedHat and #CentOS All Patch the Stack...'Jun 21 20:51
*TweetTuxMachines @schestowitz retweeted @tuxmachines: 'Samsung Tizen 4.0 OS evolves as the IoT...'Jun 21 20:52
*TweetTuxMachines @bestariwebhost retweeted @tuxmachines: 'Samsung Tizen 4.0 OS evolves as the IoT...'Jun 21 20:52
*TweetTuxMachines @bestariwebhost retweeted @tuxmachines: '#Debian, #RedHat and #CentOS All Patch the Stack...'Jun 21 20:53
*TweetTuxMachines @MariusNestor favourited '#Debian, #RedHat and #CentOS All Patch the Stack...'Jun 21 21:03
TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     https://twitter.com/tuxmachines/status/877694708553834496Jun 21 21:11
TweetTuxMachines                 Red Hat Satellite 5.8 now generally availableJun 21 21:11
TweetTuxMachines                 https://t.co/f4lXk39S4b (www.tuxmachines.org) #redhatJun 21 21:11
TweetTuxMachines                 #freeswJun 21 21:11
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Red Hat Satellite 5.8 now generally available | Tux MachinesJun 21 21:11
TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     https://twitter.com/tuxmachines/status/877695425100361733Jun 21 21:17
TweetTuxMachines                 Android Leftovers https://t.co/mGucLsjUGvJun 21 21:17
TweetTuxMachines                 (www.tuxmachines.org) #android #linux #armani #oneplusJun 21 21:17
TweetTuxMachines                 #zte #lg #whatsapp #androidOJun 21 21:17
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Android Leftovers | Tux MachinesJun 21 21:17
*TweetTuxMachines @schestowitz retweeted @tuxmachines: 'Red Hat Satellite 5.8 now generally available https://t.co/f4lXk39S4b...'Jun 21 21:17
*TweetTuxMachines @schestowitz retweeted @tuxmachines: 'Android Leftovers https://t.co/mGucLsjUGv #android #linux #armani #oneplus #zte...'Jun 21 21:19
TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     https://twitter.com/tuxmachines/status/877697544972890112Jun 21 21:21
TweetTuxMachines                 You need to check out the new #OnePlus 5 before buyingJun 21 21:21
TweetTuxMachines                 any other Android smartphone https://t.co/xA3K4GJ1G9Jun 21 21:21
TweetTuxMachines                 (www.tuxmachines.org) #android #linuxJun 21 21:21
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*TweetTuxMachines @schestowitz retweeted @tuxmachines: 'You need to check out the new #OnePlus...'Jun 21 21:29
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TweetTuxMachines retweeted by    Creating #screencasts on LinuxJun 21 21:31
TweetTuxMachines @schestowitz    https://t.co/FU1HbiBCKo (www.tuxmachines.org)Jun 21 21:31
TweetTuxMachines                 #gnu #linuxJun 21 21:31
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TweetTuxMachines                 Best Linux Distro: Linux Experts Rate DistrosJun 21 21:33
TweetTuxMachines                 https://t.co/9W4j9eGtxs (www.tuxmachines.org)Jun 21 21:33
TweetTuxMachines                 #gnu #linuxJun 21 21:33
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TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     https://twitter.com/tuxmachines/status/877700884376858624Jun 21 21:34
TweetTuxMachines                 #Canonical Also Patches #Ubuntu 12.04 LTS Against theJun 21 21:34
TweetTuxMachines                 #StackClash VulnerabilityJun 21 21:34
TweetTuxMachines                 https://t.co/XT3MILy8NE (www.tuxmachines.org) #securityJun 21 21:34
TweetTuxMachines                 #linux #unixJun 21 21:34
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*TweetTuxMachines @Beezel_Bug favourited '#Canonical Also Patches #Ubuntu 12.04 LTS Against the...'Jun 21 21:35
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*TweetTuxMachines @softpedialinux favourited '#Debian, #RedHat and #CentOS All Patch the Stack...'Jun 21 21:36
TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     https://twitter.com/tuxmachines/status/877701660402778113Jun 21 21:36
TweetTuxMachines                 #Linux vs. #Windows Server OS ComparisonJun 21 21:36
TweetTuxMachines                 https://t.co/TyvjxyeUlq (www.tuxmachines.org) #gnuJun 21 21:36
TweetTuxMachines                 #serverJun 21 21:36
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*TweetTuxMachines @schestowitz retweeted @tuxmachines: 'Best Linux Distro: Linux Experts Rate Distros https://t.co/9W4j9eGtxs...'Jun 21 21:36
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Linux vs. Windows Server OS Comparison | Tux MachinesJun 21 21:36
*TweetTuxMachines @schestowitz retweeted @tuxmachines: '#Canonical Also Patches #Ubuntu 12.04 LTS Against the...'Jun 21 21:39
TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/877702487221784576Jun 21 22:07
TweetTuxMachines retweeted by    #Linux vs. #Windows Server OS ComparisonJun 21 22:07
TweetTuxMachines @schestowitz    https://t.co/TyvjxyeUlq (www.tuxmachines.org) #gnuJun 21 22:07
TweetTuxMachines                 #serverJun 21 22:07
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*TweetTuxMachines @RyanMcCullagh favourited '#Debian, #RedHat and #CentOS All Patch the Stack...'Jun 22 00:01
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TweetTuxMachines                 Today in Techrights https://t.co/NG9lAKpIRYJun 22 00:39
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TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     https://twitter.com/tuxmachines/status/877747658076545024Jun 22 00:42
TweetTuxMachines                 #RedHat Soars, Upgraded, Jim Whitehurst Speaks OutJun 22 00:42
TweetTuxMachines                  https://t.co/ADwtT60olg (www.tuxmachines.org) #rht #gnuJun 22 00:42
TweetTuxMachines                 #linux #freesw #container #server #ncJun 22 00:42
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*TweetTuxMachines @schestowitz retweeted @tuxmachines: '#RedHat Soars, Upgraded, Jim Whitehurst Speaks Out ...'Jun 22 00:46
MinceRhttp://imgur.com/gallery/IjzCFJun 22 01:27
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MinceRhttp://www.smbc-comics.com/comic/moodyJun 22 01:32
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TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     https://twitter.com/Pros_P33/status/877749687004127237Jun 22 01:49
TweetTuxMachines retweeted by    #RedHat Soars, Upgraded, Jim Whitehurst Speaks OutJun 22 01:49
TweetTuxMachines @Pros_P33        https://t.co/ADwtT60olg (www.tuxmachines.org) #rht #gnuJun 22 01:49
TweetTuxMachines                 #linux #freesw #container #server #ncJun 22 01:49
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MinceRhttps://qz.com/1007144/the-neo-fascist-philosophy-that-underpins-both-the-alt-right-and-silicon-valley-technophiles/Jun 22 01:58
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-qz.com | "Dark Enlightenment": The neo-fascist philosophy that underpins both the alt-right and Silicon Valley technophiles — QuartzJun 22 01:58
MinceRhttp://i.imgur.com/ohB4y2j.gifJun 22 02:11
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*TweetTuxMachines @univention favourited '#Univention Corporate Server 4.2-1 https://t.co/0APUX4huK3 #debian #gnu...'Jun 22 03:53
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Univention Corporate Server 4.2-1 | Tux MachinesJun 22 03:53
TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     https://twitter.com/adymitruk/status/877796614185697280Jun 22 04:44
TweetTuxMachines retweeted by    You need to check out the new #OnePlus 5 before buyingJun 22 04:44
TweetTuxMachines @adymitruk      any other Android smartphone https://t.co/xA3K4GJ1G9Jun 22 04:44
TweetTuxMachines                 (www.tuxmachines.org) #android #linuxJun 22 04:44
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | You need to check out the new OnePlus 5 before buying any other Android smartphone | Tux MachinesJun 22 04:44
TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     https://twitter.com/tuxmachines/status/877809371761201152Jun 22 04:45
TweetTuxMachines                 #GNOME Encrypted Home Folder, #Mutter Development,Jun 22 04:45
TweetTuxMachines                 #GNOMEMaps Development and MoreJun 22 04:45
TweetTuxMachines                  https://t.co/WYkPDo1OmH (www.tuxmachines.org) #system76Jun 22 04:45
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | GNOME Encrypted Home Folder, Mutter Development, GNOME Maps Development and More | Tux MachinesJun 22 04:45
*TweetTuxMachines @schestowitz retweeted @tuxmachines: '#GNOME Encrypted Home Folder, #Mutter Development, #GNOMEMaps Development...'Jun 22 04:47
TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/877810198206791680Jun 22 04:48
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TweetTuxMachines @schestowitz    (www.tuxmachines.org)Jun 22 04:48
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Today in Techrights | Tux MachinesJun 22 04:48
TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     https://twitter.com/tuxmachines/status/877810470446448640Jun 22 04:50
TweetTuxMachines                 #Flatpak Linux App Sandboxing Receives New Feature ThatJun 22 04:50
TweetTuxMachines                 Hardens Its #SecurityJun 22 04:50
TweetTuxMachines                  https://t.co/ZGX53lbSTy (www.tuxmachines.org) #fedoraJun 22 04:50
TweetTuxMachines                 #gnome #redhatJun 22 04:50
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Flatpak Linux App Sandboxing Receives New Feature That Hardens Its Security | Tux MachinesJun 22 04:50
TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     https://twitter.com/tuxmachines/status/877811026829484032Jun 22 04:52
TweetTuxMachines                 Debian 9.0.1 ReleasedJun 22 04:52
TweetTuxMachines                  https://t.co/O2xxJAlwHI (www.tuxmachines.org) #debianJun 22 04:52
TweetTuxMachines                 #gnu #linux #bugfixJun 22 04:52
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Debian 9.0.1 Released | Tux MachinesJun 22 04:52
*TweetTuxMachines @bestariwebhost retweeted @tuxmachines: 'Debian 9.0.1 Released https://t.co/O2xxJAlwHI #debian #gnu #linux...'Jun 22 04:52
*TweetTuxMachines @motters retweeted @tuxmachines: 'Debian 9.0.1 Released https://t.co/O2xxJAlwHI #debian #gnu #linux...'Jun 22 04:53
*TweetTuxMachines @schestowitz retweeted @tuxmachines: '#Flatpak Linux App Sandboxing Receives New Feature That...'Jun 22 04:53
*TweetTuxMachines @schestowitz retweeted @tuxmachines: 'Debian 9.0.1 Released https://t.co/O2xxJAlwHI #debian #gnu #linux...'Jun 22 04:56
*TweetTuxMachines @softlockup favourited 'Debian 9.0.1 Released https://t.co/O2xxJAlwHI #debian #gnu #linux...'Jun 22 05:11
*TweetTuxMachines @AugustoRuibal favourited '#TheSSS 22.0 Linux Server Out with Kernel 4.9.13,...'Jun 22 05:17
*TweetTuxMachines @tuxmachines favourited '@wikileaks Another reminder that those who value their...'Jun 22 05:17
*TweetTuxMachines @tuxmachines favourited retweet 'RT @schestowitz: @wikileaks Another reminder that those who...'Jun 22 05:20
TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     https://twitter.com/tuxmachines/status/877818543429079040Jun 22 05:21
TweetTuxMachines                 Security: #BrutalKangaroo targets Windows, #Linux UpdatesJun 22 05:21
TweetTuxMachines                 Available, Reproducible Builds, and Patching #StackClashJun 22 05:21
TweetTuxMachines                  https://t.co/ikEJoZI2gi (www.tuxmachines.org)Jun 22 05:22
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Security: Brutal Kangaroo Targets Windows, Linux Updates Available, Reproducible Builds, and Patching Stack Clash | Tux MachinesJun 22 05:22
*TweetTuxMachines @schestowitz retweeted @tuxmachines: 'Security: #BrutalKangaroo targets Windows, #Linux Updates Available, Reproducible...'Jun 22 05:25
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XRevan86http://wiadomosci.onet.pl/kraj/f9x2th7 The Poland's Sejm approved a law banning Soviet monuments (communist propaganda).Jun 22 10:20
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XRevan86Another country realised monuments of previous regimes are obsolete and must be removed.Jun 22 10:21
XRevan86When will monuments of Julius Caesar and Napoleon Bonaparte finally be gone?Jun 22 10:22
XRevan86These people were jerks, humanity should just forget they even existed.Jun 22 10:23
XRevan86And piramids are but a reminder of faraon oppression that glorify some jerk's ego.Jun 22 10:24
XRevan86All those monuments, propaganda of the past… It all should simply be destroyed.Jun 22 10:27
XRevan86I think 1984 covered this topic but never mid.Jun 22 10:28
XRevan86mindJun 22 10:28
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MinceRsome of those were bigger jerks than others, especially in the context of their contemporariesJun 22 10:56
MinceRoh wait, there i go, "excessively" "demonizing" stalin...Jun 22 10:56
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XRevan86MinceR: Yeah, nobody can top faraons. Well, maybe Hitler.Jun 22 11:00
MinceRwhat the pharaohs did was standard for their time, thoughJun 22 11:01
MinceRwhat stalin and hitler did, not so muchJun 22 11:01
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XRevan86MinceR: This reminds me of what the US did to people of Japanese nationality during WWIIJun 22 11:06
MinceRyeah, that was nasty tooJun 22 11:06
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XRevan86MinceR: Stalin was a big bafoon but he wasn't that much behind the times.Jun 22 11:06
MinceRyeah, it's not like he had tens of millions of people killed in the 20th century or anythingJun 22 11:08
XRevan86MinceR: I thought the number is around a millionJun 22 11:09
MinceRis that what putin's propaganda says nowadays about his idol?Jun 22 11:09
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XRevan86MinceR: 600 000 people political convicts killed.Jun 22 11:11
XRevan86directly or in prisonJun 22 11:11
MinceRthen there's at least 2.4 million as part of the holodomorJun 22 11:12
MinceRand that's apparently just a fraction of what he didJun 22 11:13
XRevan86MinceR: If political mistakes count, then the number is bigger of course.Jun 22 11:13
MinceRinteresting terminology thereJun 22 11:13
XRevan86MinceR: It's quite different, the repression apparatus and misgovernJun 22 11:15
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MinceRyes, an engineered famine is mere "misgovernment", a "mistake"Jun 22 11:18
XRevan86MinceR: So it was engineered?Jun 22 11:18
MinceRit wasJun 22 11:18
XRevan86There are much quicker and easier ways of eliminating USSR from withinJun 22 11:19
XRevan86MinceR: Whom could it benefit?Jun 22 11:19
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XRevan86MinceR: It's safe to assume that Stalin's goal wasn't increasing misery of USSR.Jun 22 11:20
MinceRindeedJun 22 11:20
MinceRone hypothesis was that he used it to kill off an independence movementJun 22 11:21
MinceRbut he was a nutcase, so who knowsJun 22 11:21
XRevan86MinceR: The Ukrainian anarchists?Jun 22 11:21
XRevan86I don't think they were big enough at a time…Jun 22 11:22
XRevan86MinceR: He wasn't that much of a nutcase.Jun 22 11:22
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XRevan86If he knew the results of his reforms (a famine), he'd knew what a devastating effect it would have for the whole union and him personally.Jun 22 11:23
MinceRoh, right, i forgot that humanity doubled down on authoritarianism and self-harm since 2010Jun 22 11:24
MinceRstalin and hitler are 'hip' nowJun 22 11:24
XRevan86MinceR: They both weren't even human, literally Anti-Christs, both of them/Jun 22 11:25
MinceRhttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Holodomor#cite_note-britannica-13Jun 22 11:26
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MinceR""Its deliberate nature is underscored by the fact that no physical basis for famine existed in Ukraine ... Soviet authorities set requisition quotas for Ukraine at an impossibly high level. Brigades of special agents were dispatched to Ukraine to assist in procurement, and homes were routinely searched and foodstuffs confiscated ... The rural population was left with insufficient food to feed itself."Jun 22 11:26
MinceR"reforms"Jun 22 11:26
MinceR"mistake"Jun 22 11:26
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XRevan86> that no physical basis for famine existed in UkraineJun 22 11:27
XRevan86MinceR: That's not a proof of the deliberate nature.Jun 22 11:27
MinceR>underscoredJun 22 11:28
MinceRread on.Jun 22 11:28
XRevan86MinceR: That's how forced collectivisation was done, across the whole union.Jun 22 11:28
MinceRusually not to the extent that it caused millions to starve to death, thoughJun 22 11:29
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XRevan86MinceR: It kinda didJun 22 11:29
XRevan86MinceR: https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/9/90/Ukraine_famine_map.pngJun 22 11:29
XRevan86MinceR: This is a famine map, so to sayJun 22 11:30
XRevan86black bold lines are borders of the Ukrainian SSRJun 22 11:30
XRevan86+ CrimeaJun 22 11:31
XRevan86(wasn't a part of the Ukrainian SSR during Stalin's reign)Jun 22 11:31
XRevan86MinceR: Notice how the famine doesn't care about the black bold line.Jun 22 11:32
MinceRah, so the "mistake" was that they managed to kill people elsewhere as wellJun 22 11:32
XRevan86and is actually bigger than this Ukraine-concentrated mapJun 22 11:32
XRevan86https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/c/c6/Famine_en_URSS_1933.jpgJun 22 11:33
XRevan86MinceR: Every agrarian region of USSR suffered.Jun 22 11:33
XRevan86Is it because Stalin wanted to kill Ukrainians or is it because agrarian regions are what should be affected by a sloppy agrarian reform?Jun 22 11:34
XRevan86(Ukraine was the heart of the USSR's agrarian production)Jun 22 11:35
MinceRi wouldn't call absurdly high requisition quotas and confiscating food a "reform"Jun 22 11:39
MinceRbut maybe that's because i'm not a communistJun 22 11:39
XRevan86MinceR: Actually, in a way you're right.Jun 22 11:39
oiaohmhttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Great_Chinese_Famine  there is high alignments.Jun 22 11:40
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XRevan86MinceR: The first wave of collectivisation (voluntary) gave very impressive results;Jun 22 11:40
XRevan86MinceR: When the second wave (forced) which was supposed to move USSR to mega-prosperity, turned out not to be so peachy;Jun 22 11:41
oiaohmBoth 1932 russia and 1958 China both attempted rapid changes to food production    The year latter everything started falling in on them.Jun 22 11:41
XRevan86MinceR: The bureaucrats started thinking that this is because the greedy people were hiding stuff for themselvesJun 22 11:41
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MinceR"thinking"Jun 22 11:41
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XRevan86MinceR: Hence high requisition quotas, because the authorities thought people have much-much more just not giving away.Jun 22 11:42
MinceRand there was no room for verifying assumptions on the go in communist methodology?Jun 22 11:43
XRevan86MinceR: Look at how Stalin governened and you'll see that nope.Jun 22 11:43
MinceRmust be the usual case of "ideology is always right, reality is sometimes wrong"Jun 22 11:43
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oiaohmReally both famines I am not exactly sure if they are genocide by design.   I think they are both genocide due to bad planning of food production.Jun 22 11:44
MinceRyet you claim he was saneJun 22 11:44