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| cubexyz | really I should set up some sort of mixing station so I can get audio output on everything | Sep 24 00:00 |
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| oiaohm | DaemonFC: the secret to BSD mixing is the sndiod sound server. Please note you don't see BSD used for real-time audio that much yes sndiod and jackaudio manage to cat fight over who controls the audio devices as well. | Sep 24 00:05 |
| oiaohm | Windows and OS X a long time back merged both real-time and general usage audio stacks. Linux and BSD still have those fairly well split. | Sep 24 00:06 |
| MinceR | https://p1.picsto.re/zKZ9c.jpg | Sep 24 00:13 |
| cubexyz | the radio streaming seems to be gravitating towards tunein :-/ | Sep 24 00:13 |
| MinceR | https://arstechnica.com/information-technology/2017/09/in-spectacular-fail-adobe-security-team-posts-private-pgp-key-on-blog/ | Sep 24 00:22 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-arstechnica.com | In spectacular fail, Adobe security team posts private PGP key on blog | Ars Technica | Sep 24 00:23 | |
| MinceR | https://imgur.com/gallery/zpAqR | Sep 24 00:26 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Monty Python’s Steaming Dump - Album on Imgur | Sep 24 00:26 | |
| cubexyz | univesity radio streaming links tend to stay intact, or at least remain available | Sep 24 00:47 |
| cubexyz | CBC radio constantly changes their links, and nowadays there's only a web portal | Sep 24 00:48 |
| cubexyz | the real link is obfuscated | Sep 24 00:48 |
| cubexyz | university radio | Sep 24 00:48 |
| cubexyz | even WNED dropped the ball recently | Sep 24 00:49 |
| cubexyz | fortunately radio swiss classics has remained available | Sep 24 00:50 |
| cubexyz | yeah, looks like CBC has switched everything over to flash based in the browser crap | Sep 24 01:08 |
| cubexyz | I thought everyone was transitioning away from flash :-/ | Sep 24 01:08 |
| DaemonFC | Well, I just tried Gnome Web again with the latest everything. | Sep 24 01:08 |
| DaemonFC | Web 3.26, GTKWebkit 2.18, Gstreamer 1.12.3... | Sep 24 01:09 |
| DaemonFC | Video playback is still corrupted under Wayland. | Sep 24 01:09 |
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| DaemonFC | https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Snapple#.22Real_Facts.22 | Sep 24 02:11 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-en.wikipedia.org | Snapple - Wikipedia | Sep 24 02:11 | |
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| DaemonFC | Is anyone using opensuse tumbleweed and how is it? | Sep 24 03:38 |
| DaemonFC | I've heard that bizarre things are likely to happen in a rolling release. | Sep 24 03:38 |
| DaemonFC | Never really used a rolling release myself, but Fedora is kind of a mix between stable and rolling as most packages get updated, but there are some that are frozen except for patches. | Sep 24 03:39 |
| DaemonFC | I know SJVN likes it but I don't believe it's possible to keep that many things up to date without running into problems. | Sep 24 03:53 |
| DaemonFC | It's interesting that suse has Vulkan support by default but Fedora doesn't. | Sep 24 04:02 |
| DaemonFC | I mean, all you have to do is dnf install vulkan, but still. :P | Sep 24 04:02 |
| DaemonFC | MinceR, These are the folks who will be making one of those "secure" CDMs that Tim Berners-Lee was talking about. Have fun with that. | Sep 24 04:16 |
| DaemonFC | Firefox is now shipping a browser where they can't fix security problems that are likely to arise. All they can do is blacklist CDM versions after they're already under attack. | Sep 24 04:17 |
| DaemonFC | Netflix doesn't trust EME/CDM for their DRM. They don't allow streaming to go higher than 720p if you use Widevine. | Sep 24 04:18 |
| DaemonFC | That way WHEN stuff leaks out, it's not 1080p or 4K. | Sep 24 04:19 |
| DaemonFC | MinceR, That means if you want a 1080p stream, you have to pirate it somehow. | Sep 24 04:20 |
| DaemonFC | Funny that. | Sep 24 04:20 |
| DaemonFC | https://www.theverge.com/2017/9/10/16283494/spotify-web-player-safari-browser-support-apple | Sep 24 04:24 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.theverge.com | Spotify’s Web Player no longer works on Safari - The Verge | Sep 24 04:24 | |
| DaemonFC | Spotify yanked support for Safari. | Sep 24 04:24 |
| DaemonFC | Apple seems to be the only major browser vendor to resist EME. | Sep 24 04:26 |
| DaemonFC | https://developers.slashdot.org/story/17/09/23/2043235/do-strongly-typed-languages-reduce-bugs | Sep 24 05:00 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-developers.slashdot.org | Do Strongly Typed Languages Reduce Bugs? - Slashdot | Sep 24 05:00 | |
| DaemonFC | Microsoft says there's less bugs with static. Well, that's encouraging. | Sep 24 05:00 |
| DaemonFC | And they even promoted one of their own products in the announcement. :) | Sep 24 05:00 |
| DaemonFC | https://slashdot.org/story/17/09/23/1816214/popular-chrome-extension-embedded-a-cpu-draining-cryptocurrency-miner | Sep 24 05:02 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-slashdot.org | Popular Chrome Extension Embedded A CPU-Draining Cryptocurrency Miner - Slashdot | Sep 24 05:02 | |
| DaemonFC | I try not to have too many extensions installed for exactly this reason. Google says it has measures in place to prevent shit like this, but it happens over and over. Either the malware is obfuscated and nobody finds out about it until after hundreds of thousands of installations (at which time removing it doesn't bother the malware authors because they knew they would get caught and only wanted to keep mining bitcoins as long as possible) | Sep 24 05:04 |
| DaemonFC | or a legitimate app gets bought and the new owner injects malware into an update to make a quick buck before it gets pulled. | Sep 24 05:04 |
| DaemonFC | https://arstechnica.com/science/2017/09/7up-gets-a-new-ingredient-in-mexico-meth/ | Sep 24 06:18 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-arstechnica.com | 7Up gets a new ingredient in Mexico—meth | Ars Technica | Sep 24 06:19 | |
| DaemonFC | Well, at least they beat Indiana to it. | Sep 24 06:19 |
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| DaemonFC | https://apple.slashdot.org/story/17/09/22/2049247/hackers-using-iclouds-find-my-iphone-feature-to-remotely-lock-macs-demand-ransom-payments | Sep 24 06:35 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-apple.slashdot.org | Hackers Using iCloud's Find My iPhone Feature To Remotely Lock Macs, Demand Ransom Payments - Slashdot | Sep 24 06:35 | |
| DaemonFC | https://linux.slashdot.org/story/17/09/22/1946244/microsoft-and-canonical-make-custom-linux-kernel | Sep 24 06:39 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-linux.slashdot.org | Microsoft and Canonical Make Custom Linux Kernel - Slashdot | Sep 24 06:39 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines https://twitter.com/tuxmachines/status/911827432826707968 | Sep 24 06:42 |
| TweetTuxMachines | #FreeBSD 10.4-RC2 Now Available | Sep 24 06:42 |
| TweetTuxMachines | https://t.co/S3KLispLvu (www.tuxmachines.org) #bsd #unix | Sep 24 06:42 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Sep 24 06:42 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | FreeBSD 10.4-RC2 Now Available | Tux Machines | Sep 24 06:42 | |
| DaemonFC | https://tech.slashdot.org/story/17/09/22/2036202/google-experiment-tests-top-5-browsers-finds-safari-riddled-with-security-bugs | Sep 24 06:43 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-tech.slashdot.org | Google Experiment Tests Top 5 Browsers, Finds Safari Riddled With Security Bugs - Slashdot | Sep 24 06:43 | |
| *TweetTuxMachines @schestowitz retweeted @tuxmachines: '#FreeBSD 10.4-RC2 Now Available https://t.co/S3KLispLvu #bsd #unix...' | Sep 24 06:43 | |
| *TweetTuxMachines @Alfarmi favourited '#FreeBSD 10.4-RC2 Now Available https://t.co/S3KLispLvu #bsd #unix...' | Sep 24 06:44 | |
| DaemonFC | https://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=Nouveau-XDC2017 | Sep 24 06:47 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Nouveau Developers Remain Blocked By NVIDIA From Advancing Open-Source Driver - Phoronix | Sep 24 06:47 | |
| DaemonFC | The European Union funded a report that concluded that piracy doesn't harm the economy and is now trying to bury the report. | Sep 24 06:55 |
| DaemonFC | https://yro.slashdot.org/story/17/09/21/209229/eu-paid-for-report-that-said-piracy-isnt-harmful----and-tried-to-hide-findings | Sep 24 06:55 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-yro.slashdot.org | EU Paid For Report That Said Piracy Isn't Harmful -- And Tried To Hide Findings - Slashdot | Sep 24 06:55 | |
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| *TweetTuxMachines @Alfarmi retweeted @tuxmachines: '#FreeBSD 10.4-RC2 Now Available https://t.co/S3KLispLvu #bsd #unix...' | Sep 24 07:05 | |
| schestowitz | DaemonFC: thanks for the links | Sep 24 07:42 |
| schestowitz | going through them ATM | Sep 24 07:42 |
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| schestowitz | DaemonFC: ok done | Sep 24 07:46 |
| schestowitz | you still use /.? | Sep 24 07:46 |
| DaemonFC | Yeah. | Sep 24 08:03 |
| schestowitz | just a middleman | Sep 24 08:04 |
| schestowitz | do we still need that in 2017? | Sep 24 08:04 |
| schestowitz | and their picks aren't always that good | Sep 24 08:04 |
| schestowitz | AND... | Sep 24 08:04 |
| schestowitz | it take a long time to extract the ORIGINAL articles out of these | Sep 24 08:04 |
| schestowitz | so I barely see the point anymore | Sep 24 08:04 |
| schestowitz | I dumped Reddit weeks ago after they had gone proprietary | Sep 24 08:04 |
| schestowitz | gave me the push to dump them, too | Sep 24 08:04 |
| DaemonFC | What happened to Reddit? | Sep 24 08:07 |
| DaemonFC | https://betanews.com/2017/09/12/bashware-attack-linux-windows-10/ | Sep 24 08:09 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-betanews.com | Bashware attack makes Linux a security threat to Windows 10 | Sep 24 08:09 | |
| DaemonFC | Installing Microsoft's "Linux subsystem" creates the possibility of malware running in it that's invisible to antivirus software. | Sep 24 08:10 |
| schestowitz | [08:07] <DaemonFC> What happened to Reddit? | Sep 24 08:11 |
| schestowitz | Look it up | Sep 24 08:12 |
| schestowitz | code closed now | Sep 24 08:12 |
| schestowitz | regarding 'bashware', SJVN wrote a detailed response | Sep 24 08:12 |
| schestowitz | in zdNYET (CBS) | Sep 24 08:12 |
| DaemonFC | https://www.infoworld.com/article/3223140/linux/why-microsoft-will-drive-serious-linux-innovation.html | Sep 24 08:13 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.infoworld.com | Linux: Why Microsoft will drive its innovation | Sep 24 08:13 | |
| DaemonFC | <snip> | Sep 24 08:13 |
| DaemonFC | With the addition of these three people, Microsoft now employs 12 Linux kernel contributors. As for what these engineers are doing, Linux kernel maintainer Greg Kroah-Hartman says, “Microsoft now has developers contributing to various core areas of the kernel (memory management, core data structures, networking infrastructure), the CIFS filesystem, and of course many contributions to make Linux work better on its Hyper-V systems.” | Sep 24 08:13 |
| DaemonFC | </snip> | Sep 24 08:13 |
| DaemonFC | I wonder what they are doing outside of hyper-v and how it affects how the kernel works on real hardware. | Sep 24 08:14 |
| schestowitz | http://techrights.org/wiki/index.php/Hyper-V_Reality_Log | Sep 24 08:16 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Hyper-V Reality Log - Techrights [ http://ur1.ca/cpdmt ] | Sep 24 08:16 | |
| schestowitz | it's all about proprietary backdoorware | Sep 24 08:16 |
| DaemonFC | Also, I couldn't find the quote from Greg KH anywhere but that article. | Sep 24 08:16 |
| schestowitz | which we need too shun | Sep 24 08:17 |
| schestowitz | we have kvm, xen etc. | Sep 24 08:17 |
| schestowitz | We don't need Microsoft's s* | Sep 24 08:17 |
| schestowitz | let's face it, admins don't need Windows Server, either | Sep 24 08:17 |
| schestowitz | I hope this Microsoft EEE efforts will fail badly | Sep 24 08:17 |
| schestowitz | But they bribe LF now | Sep 24 08:17 |
| schestowitz | so Greg K-H has to be "nice" | Sep 24 08:17 |
| DaemonFC | schestowitz, Azure is just another place to rent some virtual machines on someone else's hardware. | Sep 24 08:17 |
| schestowitz | yeah | Sep 24 08:18 |
| schestowitz | 'cloud' BS | Sep 24 08:18 |
| DaemonFC | There's some reasons why you might want to do that. | Sep 24 08:18 |
| DaemonFC | I don't think I'd use Microsoft for it though. | Sep 24 08:18 |
| schestowitz | We need to watch the boardrooms closely | Sep 24 08:19 |
| schestowitz | VMware also | Sep 24 08:19 |
| schestowitz | They make secret deals | Sep 24 08:19 |
| schestowitz | with old executives | Sep 24 08:19 |
| schestowitz | who think that MSFT is "all the rage" | Sep 24 08:19 |
| schestowitz | they are fossils who still use laptop with MS Office | Sep 24 08:19 |
| schestowitz | writing "documents" is their job | Sep 24 08:19 |
| schestowitz | and MS messes with their minds | Sep 24 08:20 |
| DaemonFC | I haven't used vmware in a long time. | Sep 24 08:21 |
| DaemonFC | I think the last thing I ran on it was PC-BSD. | Sep 24 08:22 |
| DaemonFC | When it was new. | Sep 24 08:22 |
| schestowitz | they do 'cloud' now | Sep 24 08:22 |
| schestowitz | the NHS uses that | Sep 24 08:22 |
| schestowitz | for now | Sep 24 08:22 |
| DaemonFC | Getting FreeBSD to run on real hardware has been painful. | Sep 24 08:22 |
| schestowitz | we'll get them off it soon | Sep 24 08:22 |
| schestowitz | their interface is kind of ubbish | Sep 24 08:22 |
| DaemonFC | They're months behind Linux. | Sep 24 08:23 |
| schestowitz | I had to work with that "in the browser" crap | Sep 24 08:23 |
| DaemonFC | Maybe 1-2 years on some things. | Sep 24 08:23 |
| DaemonFC | The NHS situation sounds bad. Like "I don't even want to know." bad. | Sep 24 08:23 |
| DaemonFC | Surprised that they haven't had more problems, but they're the government and they probably have had more problems than they'll admit to publicly. | Sep 24 08:24 |
| schestowitz | the interface is confusing | Sep 24 08:25 |
| schestowitz | for example | Sep 24 08:25 |
| schestowitz | the temp machines are in one panel/domain | Sep 24 08:25 |
| schestowitz | about 100 of them | Sep 24 08:25 |
| schestowitz | but to find the rest I need to shake some rubber chicken.... complete 'hack'.... no sense to it | Sep 24 08:25 |
| schestowitz | it's like it never matured | Sep 24 08:26 |
| schestowitz | they try to turn from V-Sphere to some 'webby' thing | Sep 24 08:26 |
| schestowitz | I think our company will move them - YUCK! - to AWS | Sep 24 08:26 |
| schestowitz | because some of my colleagues trust Amazon and buy their s* there | Sep 24 08:26 |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines https://twitter.com/Pyrokitteh/status/911833941803520000 | Sep 24 08:27 |
| TweetTuxMachines | retweeted by #FreeBSD 10.4-RC2 Now Available | Sep 24 08:27 |
| TweetTuxMachines | @Pyrokitteh https://t.co/S3KLispLvu (www.tuxmachines.org) #bsd #unix | Sep 24 08:27 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Sep 24 08:27 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | FreeBSD 10.4-RC2 Now Available | Tux Machines | Sep 24 08:27 | |
| DaemonFC | schestowitz, It's a good way to let the US government know everything that's in there. | Sep 24 08:28 |
| DaemonFC | No way to know what's really going on. | Sep 24 08:29 |
| oiaohm | DaemonFC: the CIFS stuff has been interesting. Not only has microsoft contruted some stuff into the CIFS drivers you have some submits into samba as well. | Sep 24 08:31 |
| oiaohm | DaemonFC: and that a 2 years back was totally unheard of. | Sep 24 08:31 |
| oiaohm | DaemonFC: remember 1/3+ of Azure these days is Linux boxes. So Microsoft kind of needs Linux to work. | Sep 24 08:32 |
| oiaohm | DaemonFC: from 2016 to 2017 the amount of Linux at Azure doubled. So if growth remains at this rate it will not be long until Azure is more Linux than Windows. | Sep 24 08:37 |
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| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines https://twitter.com/tuxmachines/status/911866691893825536 | Sep 24 09:20 |
| TweetTuxMachines | ASUS Launches Its Thinnest and Lightest Flippable | Sep 24 09:20 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Chromebook, the Flip C101 | Sep 24 09:20 |
| TweetTuxMachines | https://t.co/I0xQa4Fjmr (www.tuxmachines.org) | Sep 24 09:20 |
| TweetTuxMachines | #asus #gnu #linux #chromebook | Sep 24 09:20 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Sep 24 09:20 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | ASUS Launches Its Thinnest and Lightest Flippable Chromebook, the Flip C101 | Tux Machines | Sep 24 09:20 | |
| MinceR | https://imgur.com/gallery/6IAIK | Sep 24 10:29 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Dr.Robitnick, draw me like one of your French girls. - Album on Imgur | Sep 24 10:29 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines https://twitter.com/tuxmachines/status/911867777539100672 | Sep 24 10:30 |
| TweetTuxMachines | #Graphics: #NVIDIA, #Nouveau,#XOrg Server | Sep 24 10:30 |
| TweetTuxMachines | https://t.co/VZIco7gE69 (www.tuxmachines.org) #linux | Sep 24 10:30 |
| TweetTuxMachines | #kernel | Sep 24 10:30 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Sep 24 10:30 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Graphics: NVIDIA, Nouveau, X.Org Server | Tux Machines | Sep 24 10:30 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/911885375290974208 | Sep 24 10:33 |
| TweetTuxMachines | retweeted by ASUS Launches Its Thinnest and Lightest Flippable | Sep 24 10:33 |
| TweetTuxMachines | @schestowitz Chromebook, the Flip C101 | Sep 24 10:33 |
| TweetTuxMachines | https://t.co/I0xQa4Fjmr (www.tuxmachines.org) | Sep 24 10:33 |
| TweetTuxMachines | #asus #gnu #linux #chromebook | Sep 24 10:33 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Sep 24 10:33 | |
| *TweetTuxMachines @schestowitz retweeted @tuxmachines: '#Graphics: #NVIDIA, #Nouveau,#XOrg Server https://t.co/VZIco7gE69 #linux #kernel...' | Sep 24 10:35 | |
| XRevan86 | > Is anyone using opensuse tumbleweed and how is it? | Sep 24 10:42 |
| XRevan86 | > I've heard that bizarre things are likely to happen in a rolling release. | Sep 24 10:42 |
| XRevan86 | I do, for years now. | Sep 24 10:42 |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines https://twitter.com/tuxmachines/status/911886721410830337 | Sep 24 10:44 |
| TweetTuxMachines | today's howtos | Sep 24 10:44 |
| TweetTuxMachines | https://t.co/anLpqtF6yD (www.tuxmachines.org) #howto #gnu | Sep 24 10:44 |
| TweetTuxMachines | #linux #unix | Sep 24 10:44 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Sep 24 10:44 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | today's howtos | Tux Machines | Sep 24 10:44 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines https://twitter.com/tuxmachines/status/911888961345409031 | Sep 24 10:45 |
| TweetTuxMachines | #Security: #Adobe and #Apple Fail/Fare Badly | Sep 24 10:45 |
| TweetTuxMachines | https://t.co/EcmmMGHm2K (www.tuxmachines.org) | Sep 24 10:45 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Sep 24 10:45 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Security: Adobe and Apple Fail/Fare Badly | Tux Machines | Sep 24 10:45 | |
| MinceR | https://imgur.com/gallery/7vByN | Sep 24 10:47 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Interesting facts of the day - Album on Imgur | Sep 24 10:47 | |
| XRevan86 | Oh shoot, DaemonFC is not here. | Sep 24 10:49 |
| XRevan86 | For whom I answered – nobody knows %). | Sep 24 10:49 |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines https://twitter.com/tuxmachines/status/911889292863115264 | Sep 24 10:53 |
| TweetTuxMachines | #Games: Open Source Puzzle Games and #SDL 2.0.6 Release | Sep 24 10:53 |
| TweetTuxMachines | https://t.co/btZSWqSJCB (www.tuxmachines.org) #freesw | Sep 24 10:53 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Sep 24 10:53 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Games: Open Source Puzzle Games and SDL 2.0.6 Release | Tux Machines | Sep 24 10:54 | |
| MinceR | https://imgur.com/gallery/1RgQz | Sep 24 10:57 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Saddest description also... - Album on Imgur | Sep 24 10:57 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines https://twitter.com/tuxmachines/status/911891428590145536 | Sep 24 10:58 |
| TweetTuxMachines | #BeagleBone Announces the Open Source #PocketBeagle | Sep 24 10:58 |
| TweetTuxMachines | USB-Key-Fob SBC https://t.co/yUzSCOgxru | Sep 24 10:58 |
| TweetTuxMachines | (www.tuxmachines.org) #gnu #linux | Sep 24 10:58 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Sep 24 10:58 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | BeagleBone Announces the Open Source PocketBeagle USB-Key-Fob SBC | Tux Machines | Sep 24 10:58 | |
| *TweetTuxMachines @schestowitz retweeted @tuxmachines: 'today's howtos https://t.co/anLpqtF6yD #howto #gnu #linux #unix...' | Sep 24 11:11 | |
| *TweetTuxMachines @schestowitz retweeted @tuxmachines: '#Security: #Adobe and #Apple Fail/Fare Badly https://t.co/EcmmMGHm2K...' | Sep 24 11:24 | |
| MinceR | https://imgur.com/gallery/DoiLbDE | Sep 24 11:28 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Stars, thunderstorms, and traffic along the shipping lanes of SE Asia - GIF on Imgur | Sep 24 11:28 | |
| MinceR | https://imgur.com/gallery/jLPrG | Sep 24 11:44 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Cats with neat markings - Album on Imgur | Sep 24 11:44 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/911900922783178753 | Sep 24 11:53 |
| TweetTuxMachines | retweeted by #Games: Open Source Puzzle Games and #SDL 2.0.6 Release | Sep 24 11:53 |
| TweetTuxMachines | @schestowitz https://t.co/btZSWqSJCB (www.tuxmachines.org) #freesw | Sep 24 11:53 |
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| *TweetTuxMachines @tuxmachines favourited retweet 'RT @schestowitz: @magnuslewis263 @realDonaldTrump This. https://t.co/AlWzVYxpGL' | Sep 24 11:53 | |
| *TweetTuxMachines @tuxmachines favourited '@magnuslewis263 @realDonaldTrump This is the imbecile who makes...' | Sep 24 11:53 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz: @magnuslewis263 @realDonaldTrump This. https://t.co/AlWzVYxpGL | Sep 24 11:53 | |
| *TweetTuxMachines @tuxmachines favourited retweet 'RT @schestowitz: @magnuslewis263 @realDonaldTrump This is the imbecile...' | Sep 24 11:53 | |
| *TweetTuxMachines @tuxmachines favourited '@magnuslewis263 @realDonaldTrump The biggest spreader of fake news...' | Sep 24 11:53 | |
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| schestowitz | great way to kick off the series | Sep 24 15:21 |
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| XRevan86 | https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Guided_democracy nice term :). | Sep 24 18:20 |
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| XRevan86 | > It is today widely employed in Russia, where it was introduced into common practice by Kremlin theorists, in particular Gleb Pavlovsky. <..> The United States can also be said to fit this description because of the enormous influence of corporate money on the US political system. | Sep 24 18:21 |
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| gde33 | XRevan86: kakocracy | Sep 24 20:05 |
| gde33 | much like kakistocracy | Sep 24 20:06 |
| XRevan86 | Kako as in feces? | Sep 24 20:07 |
| gde33 | yes and kakistos as in the worse / crazy | Sep 24 20:07 |
| gde33 | thats probably from shit too | Sep 24 20:08 |
| XRevan86 | kakisto… a person who believes in feces? :) | Sep 24 20:08 |
| gde33 | Today I revisited the idea to strip people from their voting rights. | Sep 24 20:09 |
| gde33 | the perfect analogy I think would be the relationship between an employee and the person hiring him | Sep 24 20:09 |
| gde33 | if the oversight is such that the employee creates a dangerous situation the employee is initially to blame | Sep 24 20:09 |
| gde33 | however, over enough time, when say 100 million poeple are dead we should start shifting the blame to the employer | Sep 24 20:10 |
| gde33 | if there is an abundance of employee management they can just be fired from the job | Sep 24 20:10 |
| gde33 | both the malicious employee and the employer, even if the employee was kept on staff though sheer ignorance | Sep 24 20:12 |
| gde33 | this experiment where we hire politicans who are left to do whatever the fuck they like should end | Sep 24 20:12 |
| gde33 | what would you do if there was nothing required from you in your work? | Sep 24 20:13 |
| gde33 | at least my performance would be neatively affected (shit) | Sep 24 20:13 |
| gde33 | negatively | Sep 24 20:13 |
| XRevan86 | gde33: I'd probably double up my performance to prove my worth. | Sep 24 20:14 |
| gde33 | from a different perspective I think we should respect peoples desire not to get involved in politics | Sep 24 20:14 |
| gde33 | XRevan86: and if no one cares or looks? | Sep 24 20:14 |
| gde33 | what kind of employee employer relationship is this? I want it gone. | Sep 24 20:15 |
| gde33 | might as well not hire anyone and just have complete anarchy | Sep 24 20:15 |
| gde33 | even if we go around drunk riding horses waving a gun over our head we wouldn't have the potential for destruction unchecked unintelligent government has | Sep 24 20:17 |
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| gde33 | killing lots of people for fun is hard to imagine but if there is no land concqured, no resources stolen and specially if government buildings are not bombed ALL wars are simply that. | Sep 24 20:19 |
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| DaemonFC | schestowitz, While looking at the systemd replacement for su (which I still say is redundant because of sudo -i), I remembered something about Linspire. | Sep 24 20:22 |
| DaemonFC | They would log every user in as root and said eventually they would take advantage of file system access controls in reiserfs v4. | Sep 24 20:22 |
| DaemonFC | I think that was the last I heard of that feature in reiserfs. I don't know if there was ever any work started on that. | Sep 24 20:23 |
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| XRevan86 | gde33: I don't know, the analogy is hard to follow that far. | Sep 24 20:40 |
| XRevan86 | After all, one can't really sanction the employer here, who, in the analogy, is the people. | Sep 24 20:41 |
| DaemonFC | I don't think that Poettering will be happy until he replaced GNU itself. | Sep 24 20:41 |
| DaemonFC | systemd-emacsd | Sep 24 20:41 |
| DaemonFC | systemd-libcd? | Sep 24 20:42 |
| XRevan86 | systemd-gnashd | Sep 24 20:42 |
| DaemonFC | Every time he adds something lately I check the article date to make sure I didn't stumble upon an old April Fool's Day article. | Sep 24 20:43 |
| cubexyz | systemd-os with linux compatibility mode | Sep 24 20:50 |
| DaemonFC | I noticed something strange when I booted up an openSUSE Tumbleweed last night. | Sep 24 20:54 |
| DaemonFC | They signed shim with both Microsoft's key and their own and my BIOS asked me if I wanted to add openSUSE to the Secure Boot trusted key list. | Sep 24 20:54 |
| gde33 | XRevan86: Maybe other "analogies" work for you: If I'm not interested in something and I dont know anything about it then you shouldn't ask me for feedback about it? | Sep 24 20:54 |
| DaemonFC | Lenovo disabled the user's ability to configure Custom Mode, but the BIOS still prompts you for a yes or no and will add the key if you say "Yes". | Sep 24 20:55 |
| XRevan86 | DaemonFC: Can you disable SecureBoot completely on your laptop? | Sep 24 20:55 |
| DaemonFC | The only way to get rid of the keys you've added are to go into the BIOS and select "Restore keys to factory settings.", which deletes everything but Microsoft's/ | Sep 24 20:55 |
| DaemonFC | XRevan86, Yes, you can. | Sep 24 20:55 |
| XRevan86 | gde33: Okay, whatever floats your boats. | Sep 24 20:55 |
| XRevan86 | DaemonFC: I definitely can :) | Sep 24 20:55 |
| cubexyz | the grey beards actually had a discussion on what "Unix" they use these days | Sep 24 21:00 |
| cubexyz | lots of FreeBSD, some Solaris, some slackware | Sep 24 21:01 |
| cubexyz | not too surprising | Sep 24 21:01 |
| XRevan86 | gde33: I'm young, stupid, Russian (i.e. understand nothing in politics by default) and don't do discussions seriously, forgive me :). | Sep 24 21:02 |
| XRevan86 | cubexyz: Actual Solaris? Not Illumos? | Sep 24 21:02 |
| cubexyz | no one mentioned Illumos | Sep 24 21:04 |
| cubexyz | there was some talk about smartos | Sep 24 21:04 |
| XRevan86 | cubexyz: No mention of OpenIndiana too? | Sep 24 21:05 |
| cubexyz | none | Sep 24 21:05 |
| XRevan86 | cubexyz: Oracle Solaris is a pretty… questionable choice. | Sep 24 21:05 |
| cubexyz | FreeBSD was the main choice | Sep 24 21:05 |
| XRevan86 | https://wiki.illumos.org/display/illumos/Distributions "SmartOS" | Sep 24 21:06 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-wiki.illumos.org | Distributions - illumos - illumos wiki | Sep 24 21:07 | |
| XRevan86 | cubexyz: Never heard of it, and looking up lead me here. | Sep 24 21:07 |
| XRevan86 | * led | Sep 24 21:07 |
| cubexyz | oh, I see smartos is a relation between smartos and Illumos | Sep 24 21:08 |
| cubexyz | I never heard of it before either | Sep 24 21:08 |
| XRevan86 | cubexyz: between smartos and illumos? | Sep 24 21:10 |
| XRevan86 | you've repeated "smartos" | Sep 24 21:10 |
| schestowitz | [21:06] <XRevan86> https://wiki.illumos.org/display/illumos/Distributions "SmartOS" | Sep 24 21:10 |
| schestowitz | isn't that name taken already? | Sep 24 21:10 |
| cubexyz | sorry, very poor wording there | Sep 24 21:10 |
| XRevan86 | schestowitz: Wikipedia also mentions them with that name: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SmartOS | Sep 24 21:10 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-en.wikipedia.org | SmartOS - Wikipedia | Sep 24 21:10 | |
| cubexyz | There is a relation between smartos and Illumos... is what I meant to say | Sep 24 21:11 |
| XRevan86 | > that combines OpenSolaris technology | Sep 24 21:11 |
| XRevan86 | Saying "technology" here makes me cringe. | Sep 24 21:11 |
| schestowitz | Joyent... | Sep 24 21:12 |
| schestowitz | I think they use the same/similar name | Sep 24 21:12 |
| schestowitz | hang on | Sep 24 21:12 |
| cubexyz | a combination of OpenSolaris and Linux's KVM virtualization, what ever that means | Sep 24 21:12 |
| schestowitz | "SmartOS 20170913 " | Sep 24 21:12 |
| schestowitz | http://distrowatch.com/smartos | Sep 24 21:12 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights- ( status 403 @ http://distrowatch.com/smartos ) | Sep 24 21:12 | |
| XRevan86 | cubexyz: Apparently they've ported KVM to Illumos. | Sep 24 21:13 |
| XRevan86 | schestowitz: That's the same thing :). | Sep 24 21:13 |
| schestowitz | odd. | Sep 24 21:13 |
| schestowitz | kvm is a kernel (linux) thing | Sep 24 21:13 |
| cubexyz | yeah evidently smartos brings the KVM to the solaris kernel | Sep 24 21:14 |
| XRevan86 | schestowitz: Yeah. I wonder how they've managed it :) | Sep 24 21:14 |
| cubexyz | strictly x86-64 though | Sep 24 21:15 |
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| cubexyz | sorry, I was completely accurate when I said Illumos wasn't mentioned | Sep 24 21:17 |
| cubexyz | there were a few messages about it on TUHS | Sep 24 21:17 |
| XRevan86 | cubexyz: Well, IA32 for an OS of this purpose is not very reasonable, and SPARC… I guess they don't have machines for that :). | Sep 24 21:17 |
| XRevan86 | cubexyz: Mentioning SmartOS counts either way :) | Sep 24 21:17 |
| XRevan86 | also I'd suspect a lot of architecture-specific code in something like KVM | Sep 24 21:18 |
| XRevan86 | maybe SPARC wasn't worth it at all | Sep 24 21:18 |
| cubexyz | still FOSS though, so still good I guess | Sep 24 21:18 |
| XRevan86 | cubexyz: Unlike Solaris :) | Sep 24 21:21 |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines https://twitter.com/tuxmachines/status/912047998380777474 | Sep 24 21:22 |
| TweetTuxMachines | 10 Best Free Photo Editors For Linux | Sep 24 21:22 |
| TweetTuxMachines | https://t.co/UlJjxww4gi (www.tuxmachines.org) #gnu #linux | Sep 24 21:22 |
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| cubexyz | I can just recompile a lot of stuff, so the Unix/Linux distinction isn't a huge one | Sep 24 21:31 |
| cubexyz | no one seemed to mind calling Linux a type of Unix | Sep 24 21:31 |
| DaemonFC | schestowitz, My laptop gets about 10% more runtime on a charge under Fedora than it does on Windows 10. | Sep 24 21:32 |
| DaemonFC | I used powertop as a service to tune everything, but I doubt that explains all of it. | Sep 24 21:32 |
| DaemonFC | The rest is probably Linux efficiency and the fact that Windows 10 has all kinds of spyware that can't be good for your battery life. | Sep 24 21:33 |
| cubexyz | well virus scanners come to mind | Sep 24 21:33 |
| XRevan86 | cubexyz: What's Unix these days? macOS, the certified Unix©™? | Sep 24 21:33 |
| cubexyz | that's got to suck up some power | Sep 24 21:33 |
| cubexyz | XRevan86, the BSDs are Unix to my mind | Sep 24 21:34 |
| XRevan86 | cubexyz: Merely Unix-like they are | Sep 24 21:34 |
| DaemonFC | https://pastebin.com/wJSF1pDY | Sep 24 21:38 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Last year, before it was certain that Lenovo actually would fix my laptop, I was - Pastebin.com | Sep 24 21:38 | |
| XRevan86 | cubexyz: They are closer related to the old Unix but still don't hold anything that qualifies them over other Unix-like systems. | Sep 24 21:38 |
| DaemonFC | From two Facebook posts just now. | Sep 24 21:38 |
| DaemonFC | "In fact, while my fight with Lenovo raged on, Intel just happened to dump a bunch of driver code on the Linux Kernel Mailing List (like a flaming bag of dog shit) and ran off. Coincidence? As Yogi Berra might have said, it's too coincidental to be a coincidence. Anyway, it was rejected because it was "Too ugly to live." to quote a Linux storage subsystem maintainer, and likely to cause data loss. (And this is the mode you're in when you | Sep 24 21:39 |
| DaemonFC | run Windows from the factory!)." | Sep 24 21:39 |
| XRevan86 | > The only settings that Microsoft mandates for the Windows sticker program are: | Sep 24 21:43 |
| XRevan86 | > 1. uEFI Secure Boot must be on by default, but owners of x86 PCs must be able to turn it off completely. | Sep 24 21:43 |
| XRevan86 | DaemonFC: They didn't revoke that? | Sep 24 21:43 |
| cubexyz | I don't really think there's a "pure unix" unless you want to talk about Bell Labs Unix | Sep 24 21:44 |
| cubexyz | just those who pay for an expensive certification process and those who don't | Sep 24 21:44 |
| XRevan86 | cubexyz: That's my point :) | Sep 24 21:44 |
| cubexyz | even z/OS has Unix system services | Sep 24 21:48 |
| DaemonFC | XRevan86, The Windows Sticker requirements still say that the user must have control over whether Secure Boot is on or off on x86. | Sep 24 21:53 |
| DaemonFC | It'll probably go away after the last versions of Windows that don't support Secure Boot are EOL. | Sep 24 21:53 |
| DaemonFC | Maybe sooner. | Sep 24 21:54 |
| DaemonFC | Microsoft is already forcing Intel and AMD to not support Windows 7 on their newer hardware. | Sep 24 21:54 |
| DaemonFC | And ending updates, including security fixes, to people who don't install Windows 10. | Sep 24 21:54 |
| MinceR | 24 192005 < XRevan86> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Guided_democracy nice term :). | Sep 24 21:55 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-en.wikipedia.org | Guided democracy - Wikipedia | Sep 24 21:55 | |
| MinceR | not really | Sep 24 21:55 |
| MinceR | "guided", like "illiberal" is an overly verbose way to say "not" | Sep 24 21:56 |
| DaemonFC | The non-Gnome spins of Fedora have gotten pretty bad. | Sep 24 21:56 |
| MinceR | all spins of fedora have gotten pretty bad | Sep 24 21:56 |
| XRevan86 | MinceR: Hm, good point. I went with the impression I got from the Russian Wikipedia, where it is called "Imitation Democracy" | Sep 24 21:56 |
| XRevan86 | it left a trace in my mind :) | Sep 24 21:56 |
| DaemonFC | There's almost no work being done to present them well. In fact, Fedora keeps making changes for the default spin that breaks the other desktops in some way. | Sep 24 21:56 |
| MinceR | :) | Sep 24 21:57 |
| MinceR | DaemonFC: did you expect something else from the cancerd/gnome people? | Sep 24 21:57 |
| DaemonFC | It's strange that anyone bothers to spin the other desktops at all since they're in such bad shape. | Sep 24 21:57 |
| XRevan86 | > Имитационная демократия (управляемая демократия, англ. Guided democracy, манипулируемая демократия, декоративная демократия, квазидемократия, псевдодемократия) | Sep 24 21:57 |
| XRevan86 | > Imitation democracy (directed democracy, eng. Guided democracy, manipulation democracy, decoractive democracy, quasidemocracy, pseudodemocracy) | Sep 24 21:57 |
| MinceR | it's strange that anyone chooses to use redhat, microsoft or apple products | Sep 24 21:57 |
| DaemonFC | MinceR, I might check out Linux Mint. They said that Cinnamon has HiDPI support working properly in the latest version. | Sep 24 21:58 |
| MinceR | unfortunately, cinnamon is still just a gnome2 fork | Sep 24 21:58 |
| XRevan86 | MinceR: It's a gnome3 fork actually. | Sep 24 21:58 |
| MinceR | a.k.a. "the print dialog is too complicated for our users" | Sep 24 21:58 |
| MinceR | that's even worse | Sep 24 21:58 |
| XRevan86 | and it added a lot of settings and stuff | Sep 24 21:59 |
| MinceR | and a lot of bloat | Sep 24 21:59 |
| XRevan86 | that's the point, really | Sep 24 21:59 |
| MinceR | oh, cinnamon did | Sep 24 21:59 |
| XRevan86 | A lot of bloat it has, yes :). | Sep 24 21:59 |
| MinceR | does cinnamon depend on systemd? | Sep 24 21:59 |
| XRevan86 | CJS (a fork of GJS) is present too | Sep 24 21:59 |
| XRevan86 | MinceR: Of course, not. | Sep 24 21:59 |
| MinceR | well, at least they fixed that, then | Sep 24 22:00 |
| XRevan86 | the cinnamon process handles window management too, as does gnome3 | Sep 24 22:00 |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/912050528225513473 | Sep 24 22:01 |
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| TweetTuxMachines | @schestowitz https://t.co/UlJjxww4gi (www.tuxmachines.org) #gnu #linux | Sep 24 22:01 |
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| DaemonFC | MinceR, Cinnamon is a Gnome 3 fork. | Sep 24 22:02 |
| DaemonFC | They added most of the features that Gnome yanked out, including traditional desktop metaphors, file manager features, and you can even have screen savers again if you like. | Sep 24 22:02 |
| XRevan86 | cinnamon-screensaver was rewritten from scratch, BTW | Sep 24 22:03 |
| XRevan86 | on python | Sep 24 22:03 |
| MinceR | how does it compare to xscreensaver? | Sep 24 22:06 |
| XRevan86 | MinceR: It integrates with cinnamon :) | Sep 24 22:06 |
| XRevan86 | has a nicer looking locker screen and everything | Sep 24 22:07 |
| XRevan86 | MPRIS support | Sep 24 22:07 |
| MinceR | pauses music when it kicks in? | Sep 24 22:07 |
| MinceR | or lets guests control the audio player? | Sep 24 22:07 |
| XRevan86 | MinceR: 2 | Sep 24 22:07 |
| MinceR | https://imgur.com/gallery/6CP0Z | Sep 24 22:07 |
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| MinceR | ic | Sep 24 22:07 |
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| MinceR | https://9gag.com/gag/a05oEPd | Sep 24 22:18 |
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| DaemonFC | Dr Evil: I'll call my plan....Preparation H! | Sep 24 22:20 |
| DaemonFC | https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mi5kXcc-TJ8 | Sep 24 22:21 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Dr. Evil - Preparation H - YouTube | Sep 24 22:21 | |
| schestowitz | H bomb? | Sep 24 22:23 |
| DaemonFC | schestowitz, A tractor beam. | Sep 24 22:24 |
| DaemonFC | Gnome is really starting to let the Xorg session rot. | Sep 24 22:31 |
| schestowitz | for wayland? | Sep 24 22:31 |
| DaemonFC | They released 3.26 with the Xorg session broken on HiDPI displays. | Sep 24 22:31 |
| schestowitz | red hat has been pushing hard for it for years... don't ask me why. They say it's lighter and all, but given the systemd promises I wouldn't believe any of it | Sep 24 22:32 |
| DaemonFC | You can log into the session and applications are okay, but the shell is rendered too small, and if you try to fix it, it scales the applications to where they are much too large. | Sep 24 22:32 |
| DaemonFC | It's not lighter. | Sep 24 22:32 |
| schestowitz | my x sessions got messed up in kde too | Sep 24 22:32 |
| schestowitz | like the way it handles dual | Sep 24 22:32 |
| DaemonFC | You end up loading the X Server anyway because most of the programs need it. | Sep 24 22:32 |
| schestowitz | and also, I never had such issues in the past | Sep 24 22:33 |
| schestowitz | they make the desktop less reliable in many ways (over time) | Sep 24 22:33 |
| DaemonFC | X runs under Wayland in kind of the same way XQuartz runs on a Mac. | Sep 24 22:33 |
| DaemonFC | schestowitz, The X server doesn't handle lots of displays very well. | Sep 24 22:34 |
| DaemonFC | Things get dicey after two. | Sep 24 22:34 |
| DaemonFC | There's lots of parts of X11 that are hilariously outdated and everything has come to bypass. | Sep 24 22:36 |
| DaemonFC | X's fonts are awful. The max DPI is 100. | Sep 24 22:36 |
| DaemonFC | Windows XP was 96. | Sep 24 22:36 |
| MinceR | almost nobody uses X's fonts anyway, as the glyphs are monochrome | Sep 24 22:37 |
| schestowitz | https://vtt.tumblr.com/tumblr_ouzc7ugLNO1tfvj2d_480.mp4 | Sep 24 22:37 |
| DaemonFC | MinceR, X used to have its own printing system. | Sep 24 22:38 |
| DaemonFC | It was removed when someone added printing support to glxgears. | Sep 24 22:38 |
| MinceR | :) | Sep 24 22:38 |
| DaemonFC | Most of the work done on X is finding garbage and removing it. | Sep 24 22:39 |
| DaemonFC | Even after all these years, they still yank out things that shouldn't be there. | Sep 24 22:39 |
| DaemonFC | In the X Server 1.20 branch a few days ago, I saw a commit that says "This removes code that was added in 2006 and never got used by anything.". | Sep 24 22:40 |
| DaemonFC | :/ | Sep 24 22:40 |
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| DaemonFC | X will be around for a very long time. Probably forever really. | Sep 24 22:41 |
| DaemonFC | There are always going to be some programs that aren't interested in porting because nobody is giving them the cattle prod treatment (XWayland will be removed starting on this date.). | Sep 24 22:41 |
| DaemonFC | Maybe if Ubuntu announced it, it would light a fire under their asses. | Sep 24 22:42 |
| DaemonFC | I think a five year transition plan would be appropriate, but it's open source so there's no definitive authority for doing that. | Sep 24 22:42 |
| DaemonFC | If the major distributions got together and agreed to it, it might work. | Sep 24 22:43 |
| DaemonFC | Five years is more than enough notice for everyone who relies on X to get their house in order and be ready for Wayland. | Sep 24 22:43 |
| DaemonFC | NVidia is probably the worst offender when it comes to the transition because they say they have no plans to support XWayland at all unless support for EGLstreams is added to it, which they'll probably get, because they get everything they want eventually. | Sep 24 22:44 |
| DaemonFC | So their users will spend another year or two stuck with X and its their own damned fault for buying Nvidia. | Sep 24 22:45 |
| DaemonFC | In the end, Nvidia will get what they want and mke both Wayland and XWayland worse. | Sep 24 22:45 |
| DaemonFC | The same people who worked on Xorg and capitulated to Nvidia's demands on everything are the people building Wayland. | Sep 24 22:46 |
| DaemonFC | https://blog.martin-graesslin.com/blog/2016/09/to-eglstream-or-not/ | Sep 24 22:48 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-blog.martin-graesslin.com | To EGLStream or not – Martin's Blog | Sep 24 22:48 | |
| DaemonFC | The maintainer of KWin on why EGLstreams will further pollute the system. | Sep 24 22:48 |
| DaemonFC | "For NVIDIA we would have to add a deviation into the [Direct Rendering Manager] platform plugin to create the OpenGL context in a different way. This is something our architecture does not support and was not created for. The general idea is that if creating the GBM based context fails, KWin will terminate. Adding support there for a different way to get an OpenGL context up and running would result in lots of added complexity in a very | Sep 24 22:50 |
| DaemonFC | important code path. We have to ensure that KWin terminates if OpenGL fails. At the same time we have to make sure that llvmpipe is not picked if NVIDIA hardware is used. This would be a horrible mess to maintain - especially if developers are not able to test this without huge effort." | Sep 24 22:50 |
| DaemonFC | The Nvidia driver has always been a colossal pain in the ass. The problem is that instead of REFUSING Nvidia's demands and making it the user's problem for having bought Nvidia, the developers waste time and resources to duplicate existing functionality in a way that is SPECIFIC to Nvidia's hardware and proprietary driver. | Sep 24 22:51 |
| DaemonFC | "We don't support Nvidia and neither should you." would probably force Nvidia to make their driver compliant with the normal way of doing things. They have customers that would raise hell if their cards stopped working properly on Linux. | Sep 24 22:52 |
| DaemonFC | It's a binary module. Make it their problem. | Sep 24 22:52 |
| DaemonFC | AMD's approach works with XWayland whether the user chooses open source or proprietary. In fact, from what I understand, the code that deals with the kernel and with X or Wayland is open source either way. The proprietary parts in the Catalyst bundle are their own implementations of OpenGL/OpenCL/Vulkan. | Sep 24 22:54 |
| DaemonFC | Nvidia has gone back to making their device firmware non-redistributable as well on their latest cards, so Nouveau can't even do modesetting, much less accelerated *anything*. | Sep 24 22:56 |
| DaemonFC | Why someone would buy Nvidia at this point is beyond me. | Sep 24 22:56 |
| DaemonFC | The new cards are basically back in the days of NV at this point. | Sep 24 22:57 |
| DaemonFC | They had one guy working with Nouveau and he quit in January and now Nouveau can't get ahold of anyone at Nvidia. They won't respond to email or anything. | Sep 24 22:59 |
| DaemonFC | bbiab | Sep 24 23:04 |
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| MinceR | https://i.imgur.com/m9vmjnX.jpg | Sep 25 00:03 |
| XRevan86 | https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Frog_Princess https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Frog_Prince | Sep 25 00:28 |
| XRevan86 | That explains why in my mind there existed two stories about human frogs. It's two different stories :). | Sep 25 00:28 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-en.wikipedia.org | The Frog Princess - Wikipedia | Sep 25 00:28 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-en.wikipedia.org | The Frog Prince - Wikipedia | Sep 25 00:28 | |
| schestowitz | > The official website of the IAPI seems to be permanently down: | Sep 25 00:32 |
| schestowitz | > http://www.iapi.gov.ao/ | Sep 25 00:32 |
| schestowitz | WTF? | Sep 25 00:32 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.iapi.gov.ao | Bargain Finance | BARGAIN RATE VEHICLE FINANCE | Sep 25 00:32 | |
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| schestowitz | hijacked domain? .gov? | Sep 25 00:32 |
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| DaemonFC | https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chromium_(web_browser)#Differences_from_Google_Chrome | Sep 25 01:42 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-en.wikipedia.org | Chromium (web browser) - Wikipedia [ http://ur1.ca/gnsfx ] | Sep 25 01:42 | |
| DaemonFC | I cleaned up that section. | Sep 25 01:42 |
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| DaemonFC | https://bugs.chromium.org/p/chromium/issues/detail?id=28291 | Sep 25 01:47 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-bugs.chromium.org | 28291 - Pass the Ubuntu license check script - chromium - Monorail | Sep 25 01:47 | |
| DaemonFC | There are still files in Chromium's source code that have no license attached to them. | Sep 25 01:47 |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines https://twitter.com/tuxmachines/status/912116157079056385 | Sep 25 01:49 |
| TweetTuxMachines | #Games: #SteamWorld Dig 2,# Coma:Recut, #RustedWarfare, | Sep 25 01:49 |
| TweetTuxMachines | #RisetoRuins | Sep 25 01:49 |
| TweetTuxMachines | https://t.co/ueIR6goxlf (www.tuxmachines.org) #gnu #linux | Sep 25 01:49 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Games: SteamWorld Dig 2, Coma: Recut, Rusted Warfare, Rise to Ruins | Tux Machines | Sep 25 01:49 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines https://twitter.com/tuxmachines/status/912116660865257472 | Sep 25 01:54 |
| TweetTuxMachines | #SubgraphOS Alpha and #NuTyX 9.1 | Sep 25 01:54 |
| TweetTuxMachines | https://t.co/f5wBifepu7 (www.tuxmachines.org) #gnu #linux | Sep 25 01:54 |
| TweetTuxMachines | #debian | Sep 25 01:54 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Subgraph OS Alpha and NuTyX 9.1 | Tux Machines | Sep 25 01:54 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines https://twitter.com/tuxmachines/status/912117979915177989 | Sep 25 01:54 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Various #tuxmachines Leftovers | Sep 25 01:54 |
| TweetTuxMachines | https://t.co/XaNaB4JPmR (www.tuxmachines.org) | Sep 25 01:54 |
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| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines https://twitter.com/tuxmachines/status/912118031781892096 | Sep 25 01:57 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Links 25/9/2017: XFree KWin, FreeBSD 10.4 RC2 | Techrights | Sep 25 01:57 | |
| *TweetTuxMachines @schestowitz retweeted @tuxmachines: '#Games: #SteamWorld Dig 2,# Coma:Recut, #RustedWarfare, #RisetoRuins https://t.co/ueIR6goxlf...' | Sep 25 01:58 | |
| *TweetTuxMachines @schestowitz retweeted @tuxmachines: '#SubgraphOS Alpha and #NuTyX 9.1 https://t.co/f5wBifepu7 #gnu...' | Sep 25 02:02 | |
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| DaemonFC | Heh, they changed the default policy for XWayland to only allow users who started it to connect to it, so you can't easily run graphical apps as root. | Sep 25 03:42 |
| DaemonFC | https://scontent.ford1-1.fna.fbcdn.net/v/t31.0-8/21765475_407535849648627_6077954904766927803_o.jpg?oh=5ea842d62c12fddfc13d918a3a845b0f&oe=5A3D9CFB | Sep 25 04:19 |
| DaemonFC | https://scontent.ford1-1.fna.fbcdn.net/v/t31.0-8/21686799_407536052981940_8515261470428702335_o.jpg?oh=11006a93dc6b7ce25177d2e5bb8a64b9&oe=5A4BF5D7 | Sep 25 04:20 |
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| DaemonFC | Messing around with themes. | Sep 25 04:23 |
| oiaohm | DaemonFC: https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/Running_X_apps_as_root that policy change about not easy to connect root applications to Xwayland applies to all of x.org. | Sep 25 04:33 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-wiki.archlinux.org | Running X apps as root - ArchWiki | Sep 25 04:33 | |
| oiaohm | DaemonFC: there is a difference with X authority data with Wayland solutions. https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=91071 So some of the methods to work around x.org no root restriction break under XWayland because they give the application the wrong X authority data. | Sep 25 04:36 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-bugs.freedesktop.org | 91071 – XWayland security settings prohibits applications running as root from connecting by default | Sep 25 04:36 | |
| oiaohm | DaemonFC: basically the bug title does not match the problem. | Sep 25 04:37 |
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| cubexyz | the aha152x driver won't reset :-/ | Sep 25 05:27 |
| DaemonFC | Well, this is interesting. | Sep 25 05:42 |
| DaemonFC | If I enable vaapi, video on Gnome Web is corrupted, but if I export an environment variable telling it to use vdpau, it works fine. | Sep 25 05:42 |
| DaemonFC | Also, the CPU time being spent playing the video is much lower than Firefox or Chrome. | Sep 25 05:43 |
| cubexyz | how do I reset a scsi isa card on linux I wonder | Sep 25 05:48 |
| cubexyz | sg_reset doesn't seem to work | Sep 25 05:48 |
| cubexyz | the isa scsi adapter is not interrupt driven :-/ | Sep 25 05:51 |
| cubexyz | the sane docs say get a NCR810 based card | Sep 25 05:53 |
| cubexyz | I think that's narrow SCSI 50-pin | Sep 25 05:56 |
| cubexyz | but does anyone still made those? | Sep 25 05:56 |
| cubexyz | s/made/make/ | Sep 25 05:58 |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/912185855112105984 | Sep 25 06:24 |
| TweetTuxMachines | retweeted by Various #tuxmachines Leftovers | Sep 25 06:24 |
| TweetTuxMachines | @schestowitz https://t.co/XaNaB4JPmR (www.tuxmachines.org) | Sep 25 06:24 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Various Leftovers | Tux Machines | Sep 25 06:24 | |
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| DaemonFC | likely not | Sep 25 06:29 |
| DaemonFC | https://lists.freedesktop.org/archives/pulseaudio-discuss/2017-September/028733.html | Sep 25 06:32 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-lists.freedesktop.org | [pulseaudio-discuss] [ANNOUNCE] PulseAudio 11.1 | Sep 25 06:32 | |
| DaemonFC | I think Pulseaudio was causing those Bluetooth crashes I've been having. | Sep 25 06:32 |
| DaemonFC | https://www.freedesktop.org/wiki/Software/PulseAudio/Notes/11.0/ | Sep 25 06:35 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.freedesktop.org | 11.0 | Sep 25 06:35 | |
| DaemonFC | Gnu Hurd support. Finally! | Sep 25 06:35 |
| DaemonFC | "PulseAudio can now be used on the GNU Hurd kernel. There are no new Hurd specific modules, though; the way to make PulseAudio work on Hurd is to use module-solaris together with software that implements the Solaris /dev/audio interface. The only change in PulseAudio is that module-solaris was slightly modified so that it builds on Hurd. More information here: https://github.com/dm0-/hurd-rump-audio" | Sep 25 06:38 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-GitHub - dm0-/hurd-rump-audio: PulseAudio-compatible rump kernel translator for GNU Hurd | Sep 25 06:38 | |
| DaemonFC | Oh dear, They didn't even port it to Hurd. They just rigged up the Solaris module to work on Hurd. :/ | Sep 25 06:38 |
| schestowitz | [03:42] <DaemonFC> Heh, they changed the default policy for XWayland to only allow users who started it to connect to it, so you can't easily run graphical apps as root. | Sep 25 06:45 |
| schestowitz | DaemonFC: thanks for the shots, Ryan | Sep 25 06:45 |
| schestowitz | can you do one of techrights? | Sep 25 06:46 |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/912185877513818112 | Sep 25 07:13 |
| TweetTuxMachines | retweeted by Links 25/9/2017: XFree KWin, FreeBSD 10.4 RC2 | Sep 25 07:13 |
| TweetTuxMachines | @schestowitz https://t.co/lEzeuLGIjj (techrights.org) | Sep 25 07:13 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Sep 25 07:13 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Links 25/9/2017: XFree KWin, FreeBSD 10.4 RC2 | Techrights | Sep 25 07:13 | |
| DaemonFC | https://i.imgur.com/sATZITK.jpg | Sep 25 07:15 |
| oiaohm | DaemonFC: https://archive.fosdem.org/2016/schedule/event/microkernels_hurd_rump_sound_usb/attachments/slides/951/export/events/attachments/microkernels_hurd_rump_sound_usb/slides/951/2016_01_30_fosdem.pdf | Sep 25 07:48 |
| oiaohm | DaemonFC: Hurd does not have an audio stack to port to. | Sep 25 07:48 |
| oiaohm | DaemonFC: other than the rump one that is taken from Solaris. | Sep 25 07:48 |
| schestowitz | DaemonFC: thank you! | Sep 25 07:49 |
| schestowitz | will share | Sep 25 07:49 |
| oiaohm | schestowitz: do take note of the bug ports on the XWayland security thing. X.org X11 server has come picky on accessing cross users programs. And wayland adds another curve ball. | Sep 25 07:50 |
| schestowitz | oiaohm: (x)wayland by default now? | Sep 25 07:50 |
| oiaohm | schestowitz: in some cases yes. The security setting at fault for XWayland refusing root is the normal X11 authority bit under wayland compistor it can be 1 xwayland server per application with unique authority information. | Sep 25 07:52 |
| oiaohm | schestowitz: so depending on what wayland compositor and what method you use to run root application makes the difference between application working with correct information or not work at all due to incorrect information. | Sep 25 07:53 |
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| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines https://twitter.com/tuxmachines/status/912211160597975040 | Sep 25 08:06 |
| TweetTuxMachines | #BSD: Testing #OpenSSH 7.6, 23 Years of #FreeDOS | Sep 25 08:06 |
| TweetTuxMachines | https://t.co/u72cwRBGLY (www.tuxmachines.org) #openbsd | Sep 25 08:06 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | BSD: Testing OpenSSH 7.6, 23 Years of FreeDOS | Tux Machines | Sep 25 08:06 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | #unix | Sep 25 08:06 |
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| TweetTuxMachines | The site #tuxmachines is turning 14 in a matter of | Sep 25 08:06 |
| TweetTuxMachines | months. Thank you for using our free -- as in | Sep 25 08:06 |
| TweetTuxMachines | freedom/beer -- service for your news | Sep 25 08:06 |
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| DaemonFC | Heh, Spotify takes a LOT of CPU time to play a song. | Sep 25 08:32 |
| DaemonFC | Probably the encryption. | Sep 25 08:32 |
| DaemonFC | Metallica put the XBOX 360 Guitar Hero version of the songs from Death Magnetic on the Greatest Hits album. | Sep 25 08:34 |
| DaemonFC | I guess they didn't like what they did to the CD version either. :P | Sep 25 08:36 |
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| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines https://twitter.com/tuxmachines/status/912223270153457664 | Sep 25 09:00 |
| TweetTuxMachines | #BackSlash Linux Olaf https://t.co/mTf6jfiCZG | Sep 25 09:00 |
| TweetTuxMachines | (www.tuxmachines.org) #gnu #linux review. #debian #ubuntu | Sep 25 09:00 |
| TweetTuxMachines | #distrowatch | Sep 25 09:00 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | BackSlash Linux Olaf | Tux Machines | Sep 25 09:00 | |
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| *TweetTuxMachines @schestowitz retweeted @tuxmachines: '#BackSlash Linux Olaf https://t.co/mTf6jfiCZG #gnu #linux review. #debian...' | Sep 25 09:18 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines https://twitter.com/tuxmachines/status/912229712935768064 | Sep 25 09:19 |
| TweetTuxMachines | #Korora 26 'Bloat' Fedora-based Linux distro available | Sep 25 09:19 |
| TweetTuxMachines | for download -- now 64-bit only | Sep 25 09:19 |
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| TweetTuxMachines | #gnu #linux #fedora #redhat | Sep 25 09:19 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Korora 26 'Bloat' Fedora-based Linux distro available for download -- now 64-bit only | Tux Machines | Sep 25 09:19 | |
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| TweetTuxMachines | #ManjaroLinux Phasing out i686 (32bit) Support | Sep 25 09:19 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Manjaro Linux Phasing out i686 (32bit) Support | Tux Machines | Sep 25 09:20 | |
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| TweetTuxMachines | Linux 4.14-rc2 | Sep 25 09:26 |
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| TweetTuxMachines | #kernel #linux | Sep 25 09:26 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Linux 4.14-rc2 | Tux Machines | Sep 25 09:26 | |
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| TweetTuxMachines | Packet radio lives on through open source software | Sep 25 09:27 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Packet radio lives on through open source software | Tux Machines | Sep 25 09:27 | |
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| TweetTuxMachines | (www.tuxmachines.org) #android #linux #google | Sep 25 09:33 |
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| TweetTuxMachines | #gnu #linux | Sep 25 09:52 |
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| TweetTuxMachines | retweeted by #Korora 26 'Bloat' Fedora-based Linux distro available | Sep 25 10:15 |
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| TweetTuxMachines | New Intel Chips and Benchmarks https://t.co/Yw2KwULWad | Sep 25 11:02 |
| TweetTuxMachines | (www.tuxmachines.org) #intel #hardware #phoronix | Sep 25 11:02 |
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| TweetTuxMachines | @tecknocrat https://t.co/mCm00bSPFn (www.tuxmachines.org) | Sep 25 15:13 |
| TweetTuxMachines | #kernel #linux | Sep 25 15:13 |
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| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines https://twitter.com/tuxmachines/status/912384181849739265 | Sep 25 19:35 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Richard Stallman says Microsoft's Linux love-in is a ploy | Sep 25 19:35 |
| TweetTuxMachines | to 'extinguish' free software https://t.co/oMTpUtrcID | Sep 25 19:35 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Richard Stallman says Microsoft's Linux love-in is a ploy to 'extinguish' free software | Tux Machines | Sep 25 19:35 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | (www.tuxmachines.org) #microsoft #rms #gnu #linux | Sep 25 19:35 |
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| XRevan86 | MinceR: huh, how did you manage to get this joke? :) | Sep 25 19:38 |
| MinceR | easily | Sep 25 19:39 |
| XRevan86 | Which relies on Russian slang and a bit of a pun. | Sep 25 19:39 |
| MinceR | i'm not aware of that | Sep 25 19:39 |
| MinceR | "butter emails" -> "but her emails" | Sep 25 19:39 |
| XRevan86 | мыло, mylo | Sep 25 19:39 |
| XRevan86 | It's common to call emails мыло here | Sep 25 19:40 |
| XRevan86 | MinceR: AH | Sep 25 19:40 |
| MinceR | that's what she said. | Sep 25 19:40 |
| XRevan86 | It's not soap, it's butter | Sep 25 19:40 |
| MinceR | :) | Sep 25 19:41 |
| XRevan86 | MinceR: Sorry | Sep 25 19:41 |
| MinceR | np | Sep 25 19:41 |
| schestowitz | ah, I didn't get it at first | Sep 25 19:43 |
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| TweetTuxMachines | retweeted by Richard Stallman says Microsoft's Linux love-in is a ploy | Sep 25 19:45 |
| TweetTuxMachines | @schestowitz to 'extinguish' free software https://t.co/oMTpUtrcID | Sep 25 19:45 |
| TweetTuxMachines | (www.tuxmachines.org) #microsoft #rms #gnu #linux | Sep 25 19:45 |
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| XRevan86 | https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DKE5tHYUEAATRhZ.jpg | Sep 25 19:47 |
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| schestowitz | XRevan86: wtf? | Sep 25 19:54 |
| XRevan86 | schestowitz: It's what I described above: in Russian mylo (soap) is slang for email :) | Sep 25 19:57 |
| XRevan86 | schestowitz: I think Google was giving those out on a conference. | Sep 25 19:59 |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines https://twitter.com/tuxmachines/status/912390785307414528 | Sep 25 19:59 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Red Hat: #Microsoft Blobs, Being Red Hat, #RedHat | Sep 25 19:59 |
| TweetTuxMachines | #Patents, and Imminent Financial Results (RHT) | Sep 25 19:59 |
| TweetTuxMachines | https://t.co/gGrE6QtZIC (www.tuxmachines.org) | Sep 25 19:59 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Red Hat: Microsoft Blobs, Being Red Hat, Red Hat Patents, and Imminent Financial Results (RHT) | Tux Machines | Sep 25 19:59 | |
| MinceR | :) | Sep 25 19:59 |
| XRevan86 | The text on the cover says "the cleanest soap (mail)". | Sep 25 20:00 |
| XRevan86 | http://sostav.ru/news/2008/02/06/r3vopr | Sep 25 20:02 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.sostav.ru | ???? Google ???? ???? ????? | Sep 25 20:02 | |
| XRevan86 | Actually, it was distributed on student campuses, in 2008 :). | Sep 25 20:03 |
| XRevan86 | * at | Sep 25 20:03 |
| MinceR | "google thinks you stink" | Sep 25 20:03 |
| *TweetTuxMachines @schestowitz retweeted @tuxmachines: 'Red Hat: #Microsoft Blobs, Being Red Hat, #RedHat...' | Sep 25 20:04 | |
| XRevan86 | This slang is also very common, it's pretty much everywhere. So it's not only amongst techies. | Sep 25 20:06 |
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| *TweetTuxMachines @schestowitz retweeted @tuxmachines: 'SUSE Linux turns 25: From business distro leader...' | Sep 25 20:21 | |
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| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/912402259115413506 | Sep 25 20:45 |
| TweetTuxMachines | retweeted by Android Leftovers https://t.co/Vtlx22JbG3 | Sep 25 20:45 |
| TweetTuxMachines | @schestowitz (www.tuxmachines.org) #android #linux #gogole #sony | Sep 25 20:45 |
| TweetTuxMachines | #xperia #tablet | Sep 25 20:45 |
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| TweetTuxMachines | retweeted by #LibreELEC (Krypton) v8.1.2 BETA | Sep 25 20:50 |
| TweetTuxMachines | @schestowitz https://t.co/iI4R7CXgVd (www.tuxmachines.org) #kodi #gnu | Sep 25 20:50 |
| TweetTuxMachines | #linux #freesw | Sep 25 20:50 |
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| MinceR | https://i.imgur.com/d57YcLr.gif | Sep 25 20:51 |
| MinceR | https://imgur.com/gallery/OA1kc | Sep 25 20:55 |
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| schestowitz | what's this guy doing? | Sep 25 20:57 |
| schestowitz | We fed these today | Sep 25 20:58 |
| schestowitz | why on the roof? | Sep 25 20:58 |
| schestowitz | Why is AP covering this? | Sep 25 20:58 |
| MinceR | it's obviously reversed | Sep 25 20:59 |
| MinceR | but it's a lot funnier this way | Sep 25 20:59 |
| MinceR | also, someone said it's totally unnecessary to catch the ducks, they're light enough to land safely anyway | Sep 25 20:59 |
| MinceR | https://imgur.com/gallery/3IeUs | Sep 25 21:00 |
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| XRevan86 | I still haven't figured out why using private email for official business is such a giant deal. | Sep 25 21:03 |
| XRevan86 | IIRC, Hillary even self-hosted email | Sep 25 21:03 |
| MinceR | that's the point | Sep 25 21:04 |
| MinceR | the nazis are all up in arms because of hillarious using self-hosted email illegally | Sep 25 21:04 |
| MinceR | and then they go right ahead and do the exact same thing | Sep 25 21:04 |
| MinceR | and don't even hide it | Sep 25 21:04 |
| MinceR | they have no shame | Sep 25 21:04 |
| schestowitz | both break laws | Sep 25 21:05 |
| schestowitz | federal laws | Sep 25 21:05 |
| schestowitz | so it's a case of hypocrisy too, not just lack of legal enforcement | Sep 25 21:05 |
| schestowitz | elite immunity | Sep 25 21:05 |
| schestowitz | XRevan86: got it re ducks | Sep 25 21:06 |
| schestowitz | and it's true, they would land ok | Sep 25 21:06 |
| XRevan86 | schestowitz: I didn't say anything about ducks :). | Sep 25 21:06 |
| schestowitz | oops, I meant MinceR | Sep 25 21:06 |
| MinceR | :) | Sep 25 21:06 |
| schestowitz | spasiva | Sep 25 21:06 |
| MinceR | https://i.imgur.com/0IZOqXn.jpg | Sep 25 21:07 |
| XRevan86 | What's "spasiva"? | Sep 25 21:07 |
| XRevan86 | MinceR: touché :) | Sep 25 21:08 |
| schestowitz | XRevan86: in Russian? | Sep 25 21:09 |
| XRevan86 | schestowitz: Oh, that'd be "spasibo"/"spasiba" | Sep 25 21:09 |
| XRevan86 | "в" in Cyrillic means "v", as the letter is of modern Greek origin. | Sep 25 21:09 |
| XRevan86 | and "б" means "b" | Sep 25 21:09 |
| schestowitz | I wrote it like I heard it :-) | Sep 25 21:10 |
| XRevan86 | schestowitz: I guess b/v are similiarly sounding sounds :). | Sep 25 21:11 |
| XRevan86 | so, fair %) | Sep 25 21:12 |
| schestowitz | I had many Russian friends when I was young | Sep 25 21:14 |
| schestowitz | I can still speak fake Russian | Sep 25 21:14 |
| schestowitz | Only works on people who don't understand it | Sep 25 21:14 |
| XRevan86 | schestowitz: Intriguing :) | Sep 25 21:16 |
| XRevan86 | schestowitz: Intriguyet | Sep 25 21:17 |
| schestowitz | nyet | Sep 25 21:18 |
| schestowitz | acazal | Sep 25 21:19 |
| schestowitz | scazal | Sep 25 21:19 |
| XRevan86 | schestowitz: "no, (I) said". So far valid ;) | Sep 25 21:19 |
| XRevan86 | the quality of russianness here depends on how you say "ye" in "nyet" %) | Sep 25 21:22 |
| XRevan86 | as there are only three sounds in the word | Sep 25 21:23 |
| MinceR | :) | Sep 25 21:24 |
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| TweetTuxMachines | #Antergos 17.9 #Gnome - Ghost riders in the Tux | Sep 25 21:29 |
| TweetTuxMachines | https://t.co/LfhxF7ZunN (www.tuxmachines.org) #gnu #linux | Sep 25 21:29 |
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| TweetTuxMachines | (Screenshots) at #KDE #Plasma 5.11 | Sep 25 21:32 |
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| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines https://twitter.com/tuxmachines/status/912414564737798146 | Sep 25 21:35 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Games: #DreamDaddy, #Morphite, #OperatorOverload and | Sep 25 21:35 |
| TweetTuxMachines | #Unbalance | Sep 25 21:35 |
| TweetTuxMachines | https://t.co/HTFJfsw6bC (www.tuxmachines.org) #games #gnu | Sep 25 21:35 |
| TweetTuxMachines | #linux | Sep 25 21:35 |
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| XRevan86 | https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Polish_phonology#Hard_and_soft_consonants I wasn't sure but now I know Polish has that too. | Sep 25 21:36 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-en.wikipedia.org | Polish phonology - Wikipedia | Sep 25 21:36 | |
| schestowitz | XRevan86: thanks | Sep 25 21:36 |
| XRevan86 | so Polish "nie" is pronounced exactly the same as the "nyet" except for the lack of "t" at the end | Sep 25 21:37 |
| XRevan86 | * as the Russian "nyet" | Sep 25 21:37 |
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| schestowitz | I don't know Polish much | Sep 25 21:41 |
| schestowitz | barely any..(no words) | Sep 25 21:41 |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines https://twitter.com/tuxmachines/status/912415233364430848 | Sep 25 21:41 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Red Hat Reports Second Quarter Results for Fiscal Year | Sep 25 21:41 |
| TweetTuxMachines | 2018 | Sep 25 21:41 |
| TweetTuxMachines | https://t.co/virUC5F3ri (www.tuxmachines.org) #redhat | Sep 25 21:41 |
| TweetTuxMachines | #gnu #linux | Sep 25 21:41 |
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| schestowitz | many Poles in manchester though | Sep 25 21:41 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Red Hat Reports Second Quarter Results for Fiscal Year 2018 | Tux Machines | Sep 25 21:41 | |
| MinceR | how much are they hated? | Sep 25 21:42 |
| *XRevan86 just checked how to say "skazal" in Polish, and it's "powiedział" %) | Sep 25 21:42 | |
| XRevan86 | cognate to Rusisan "povyedal" I bet | Sep 25 21:43 |
| XRevan86 | * to Russian | Sep 25 21:43 |
| XRevan86 | Rusi-san %) | Sep 25 21:43 |
| MinceR | :) | Sep 25 21:43 |
| XRevan86 | (23:18:52) schestowitz: nyet | Sep 25 21:44 |
| XRevan86 | (23:19:07) schestowitz: scazal | Sep 25 21:44 |
| XRevan86 | schestowitz: You can at least claim some Ukrainian :D | Sep 25 21:44 |
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| XRevan86 | in Ukrainian that would be "nit, skazaw" | Sep 25 21:45 |
| XRevan86 | ("w" as in English) | Sep 25 21:45 |
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| XRevan86 | It seems Polish also changes l's to w's in speech | Sep 25 21:47 |
| XRevan86 | except in Polish "ł" with a vowel afterwards still sounds as "w" o_0 | Sep 25 21:48 |
| *TweetTuxMachines @schestowitz retweeted @tuxmachines: 'Red Hat Reports Second Quarter Results for Fiscal...' | Sep 25 21:49 | |
| XRevan86 | Russian: on skazal, ona skazala; Ukrainian: vin skazaw, vona skazala; Polish: on powiedział (povijaw), ona powiedziała (povijawa), where "j" is as in English. | Sep 25 21:50 |
| XRevan86 | One can notice here that in Ukrainian in most words (of Slavic roots) the stressed "o" in some cases turns into "i" | Sep 25 21:51 |
| XRevan86 | If one wonders why "Lvov" can be "Lviv" and "Kiev" can be "Kyiv" | Sep 25 21:52 |
| XRevan86 | Ya bul u Lvovi, Lviv – gharne misto. | Sep 25 21:53 |
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| XRevan86 | (Russian: Ya byl vo Lvovye, Lvov – khoroshiy ghorod) | Sep 25 21:54 |
| XRevan86 | Just spitting my knowledge here %). | Sep 25 21:54 |
| MinceR | https://imgur.com/gallery/kPPUsI8 | Sep 25 21:55 |
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| XRevan86 | (the word "gharno" in Russian also exists, but has a more expressive nature, the word "misto" too in a form "myesto" but means "place" instead of "town") | Sep 25 21:56 |
| XRevan86 | So, etymologically "Lvov" is more correct, but if someone wants to say it in Ukrainian in the nominative case, it's "Lviv". | Sep 25 21:58 |
| XRevan86 | Same with "Kiev": "Kyyiv, u Kyyevi" (Russian: "Kiyev, v Kiyevye") | Sep 25 21:58 |
| XRevan86 | (Kiev, in Kiev) | Sep 25 21:59 |
| XRevan86 | If somebody still cares, prefixes "u" and "v" in Ukrainian are completely interchangable and are placed in same places as Russian prefixes "u", "v", "vo". Understanding, which prefix it is in Ukrainian comes from the declension. | Sep 25 22:03 |
| XRevan86 | near the city: (ru) u ghoroda, (ukr) u mista (v mista) | Sep 25 22:05 |
| XRevan86 | in the city: (ru) v ghorode, (ukr) u misti (v misti) | Sep 25 22:05 |
| XRevan86 | prons: no need for a hacky "vo" (vo Lvovye, because "v Lvovye" sounds bad), phonetically better | Sep 25 22:05 |
| XRevan86 | cons: at the cafe and by the cafe would both be "u cafe" ("v cafe"), because the word "cafe" has no declensions. | Sep 25 22:07 |
| XRevan86 | Correction: "u", "v" and "w" in Ukrainian. | Sep 25 22:09 |
| XRevan86 | they don't have the letter but they do have the sound | Sep 25 22:09 |
| XRevan86 | And Belarusian does have the letter: "ў" | Sep 25 22:10 |
| XRevan86 | so "I said" in Belarusian is spelled as "я сказаў", "я сказала" (ya skazaw, ya skazala) | Sep 25 22:11 |
| XRevan86 | when Ukrainian spells as "я сказав", "я сказала" | Sep 25 22:11 |
| XRevan86 | MinceR: I don't know why it is so hard to stop telling information for me :). | Sep 25 22:14 |
| MinceR | :) | Sep 25 22:14 |
| MinceR | and in ukrainian there's that new thing, the х with breve on top :> | Sep 25 22:16 |
| MinceR | https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:PTN_KhYLO_1.jpg | Sep 25 22:16 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-en.wikipedia.org | File:PTN KhYLO 1.jpg - Wikipedia | Sep 25 22:16 | |
| XRevan86 | MinceR: lol | Sep 25 22:16 |
| XRevan86 | An interesting way of shortening "уй" %) | Sep 25 22:17 |
| MinceR | хуй, even | Sep 25 22:17 |
| XRevan86 | MinceR: Well, the "х" is intact %) | Sep 25 22:18 |
| XRevan86 | MinceR: That's some heavy swearing, I don't dare spelling it completely %) | Sep 25 22:19 |
| MinceR | :) | Sep 25 22:19 |
| XRevan86 | MinceR: Also not necessarily Ukrainian, completely compatible with the three languages %). | Sep 25 22:20 |
| MinceR | :) | Sep 25 22:22 |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/912420390659555329 | Sep 25 22:30 |
| TweetTuxMachines | retweeted by #Antergos 17.9 #Gnome - Ghost riders in the Tux | Sep 25 22:30 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Antergos 17.9 Gnome - Ghost riders in the Tux | Tux Machines | Sep 25 22:30 | |
| XRevan86 | The Ukrainian word for a minute is amusing: "khvilina". English speakers can guess what it means :). | Sep 25 22:31 |
| XRevan86 | what it originates from rather | Sep 25 22:31 |
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| XRevan86 | pff, okay, it comes from "while" | Sep 25 22:36 |
| MinceR | there's "bloknot" in russian... | Sep 25 22:36 |
| XRevan86 | MinceR: From French, yeah. | Sep 25 22:37 |
| XRevan86 | bloc-notes | Sep 25 22:37 |
| MinceR | lol, i thought it was from english | Sep 25 22:37 |
| MinceR | but then, english is ~half french | Sep 25 22:38 |
| XRevan86 | MinceR: then it's be "noutbuk" :) | Sep 25 22:38 |
| MinceR | :) | Sep 25 22:38 |
| XRevan86 | (that's how laptops are called in Russian, BTW) | Sep 25 22:38 |
| XRevan86 | huh, also bloknot in Ukrainian | Sep 25 22:39 |
| XRevan86 | I guess borrowed from Russian | Sep 25 22:39 |
| XRevan86 | Ukrainian is not that into French as Russian. | Sep 25 22:39 |
| XRevan86 | MinceR: Well, yeah :). | Sep 25 22:40 |
| XRevan86 | I wonder if that's the reason why most English speakers study French at school | Sep 25 22:44 |
| XRevan86 | comparatively simpler than other languages but at the same time of a different language family | Sep 25 22:45 |
| XRevan86 | sed ankaŭ ne estas Esperanto | Sep 25 22:47 |
| MinceR | https://random.cat/i/016_-_UPf3OPt.gif | Sep 25 22:49 |
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| MinceR | https://imgur.com/gallery/uST8M | Sep 25 22:58 |
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| schestowitz | bloody star wars? | Sep 25 23:05 |
| MinceR | :) | Sep 25 23:05 |
| XRevan86 | schestowitz: Yep. | Sep 25 23:05 |
| schestowitz | :-) | Sep 25 23:05 |
| schestowitz | I never liked it | Sep 25 23:05 |
| XRevan86 | Like you said before %). | Sep 25 23:05 |
| XRevan86 | I back then said that I like originals, but not so much the prequels (the three newer ones before Disney) | Sep 25 23:08 |
| MinceR | i liked the prequels, especially 2 and 3 | Sep 25 23:09 |
| MinceR | but i liked the 3D CGI series more (the last Clone Wars series and the Rebels series) | Sep 25 23:09 |
| MinceR | the fight scenes work a lot better in those | Sep 25 23:09 |
| MinceR | i enjoyed one of the RPGs too (Star Wars Saga Edition) despite its flaws | Sep 25 23:10 |
| XRevan86 | MinceR: 2 and 3 are a lot better than 1, that's for sure. | Sep 25 23:11 |
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| cubexyz | well, back in 1977 I thought Star Wars was cool | Sep 25 23:18 |
| cubexyz | got the star wars LP for Christmas... in 1978 (or 1977) | Sep 25 23:19 |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines https://twitter.com/AlejosAngel/status/912441464067641345 | Sep 25 23:26 |
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| cubexyz | 40 years ago :) | Sep 25 23:28 |
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| XRevan86 | TODO: Read a part about Sodom and Gomorrah in Bible for Kids. | Sep 26 01:09 |
| *XRevan86 does. It's actually pretty boring. They only mention "sins". | Sep 26 01:11 | |
| XRevan86 | and doing evil to people | Sep 26 01:11 |
| XRevan86 | Although it ends with a passage, translated to: "The expression Sodom and Gomorrah is used today as well to define filthy behaviour (dunno, how to translate разврат better), including the sin god got angry so much because of, which lately is being spread ever more" | Sep 26 01:21 |
| XRevan86 | They didn't mention the exact reason but they've managed to put their opinion on it anyway :) | Sep 26 01:21 |
| XRevan86 | > “I do not permit a woman to teach or to have authority over a man; she must be silent.” (1 Timothy 2:12) | Sep 26 01:24 |
| XRevan86 | Found the part about Timothy there. Nothing about that. I wonder why… | Sep 26 01:24 |
| XRevan86 | Proven: Bibles for Kids are no fun. | Sep 26 01:26 |
| cubexyz | most things don't withstand close scrunity | Sep 26 01:39 |
| cubexyz | talking snakes? talking donkeys? | Sep 26 01:42 |
| cubexyz | Balaam was rebuked by a donkey :) | Sep 26 01:42 |
| cubexyz | Numbers 22:21-35 | Sep 26 01:43 |
| XRevan86 | cubexyz: Bible is not only questionable factually, but also morally :) | Sep 26 01:44 |
| XRevan86 | the fact that Bible is not really with the facts, is kind of obvious now | Sep 26 01:45 |
| XRevan86 | but some people still believe that Bible is some sort of awesome moral code | Sep 26 01:45 |
| XRevan86 | It is if you hate non-Jewish people, women, gays, people of other religions. | Sep 26 01:46 |
| XRevan86 | whom else… | Sep 26 01:47 |
| cubexyz | the "thou shall not kill part" was good | Sep 26 01:47 |
| XRevan86 | cubexyz: with the list of exceptions :) | Sep 26 01:47 |
| XRevan86 | ah, yes, if you're pro-slavery | Sep 26 01:47 |
| cubexyz | what about animals? | Sep 26 01:48 |
| cubexyz | I guess they don't count | Sep 26 01:48 |
| XRevan86 | cubexyz: They have no souls, so it's okay. | Sep 26 01:48 |
| XRevan86 | hating animals, enlisted | Sep 26 01:48 |
| cubexyz | oh, another big one is Lazarus... | Sep 26 01:49 |
| cubexyz | dead for 4 days... | Sep 26 01:49 |
| XRevan86 | cubexyz: It's not sinful to kill an atheist, y'know. | Sep 26 01:49 |
| XRevan86 | cubexyz: Didn't know that :) | Sep 26 01:50 |
| XRevan86 | So, Christ is officialy a necromancer. | Sep 26 01:50 |
| cubexyz | ha | Sep 26 01:50 |
| cubexyz | I wonder how long he lived after he was raised from the dead | Sep 26 01:51 |
| XRevan86 | 33 years apparently | Sep 26 01:51 |
| XRevan86 | according to Wikipedia | Sep 26 01:51 |
| XRevan86 | or more | Sep 26 01:51 |
| XRevan86 | He left to Cyrpus in 30 years, died in 63 | Sep 26 01:51 |
| cubexyz | that brings me to Methuselah | Sep 26 01:53 |
| cubexyz | 969 year lifespan | Sep 26 01:53 |
| cubexyz | another interesting aberration | Sep 26 01:54 |
| XRevan86 | cubexyz: The first recorded zombie. | Sep 26 01:55 |
| XRevan86 | https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Methuselah#Literal | Sep 26 01:58 |
| XRevan86 | > Others introduce theological causes: humans were originally to have everlasting life, but sin was introduced into the world by Adam and Eve, its influence became greater with each generation, and God progressively shortened human life, particularly after the Flood. | Sep 26 01:58 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-en.wikipedia.org | Methuselah - Wikipedia | Sep 26 01:58 | |
| XRevan86 | Good thing the XX century started solving the original sin :D | Sep 26 01:58 |
| cubexyz | right, I read that part | Sep 26 01:58 |
| XRevan86 | humans even became generally taller | Sep 26 01:58 |
| cubexyz | Shem, Arphaxad and Shelah all lived over 400 years | Sep 26 01:58 |
| XRevan86 | cubexyz: It's really hard to read all this with a straight face. | Sep 26 01:59 |
| cubexyz | it's actually an exponential decay curve if you check how the ages decline over time | Sep 26 02:00 |
| XRevan86 | And if we involve all we factually know about human life expectancies over history… | Sep 26 02:01 |
| XRevan86 | it's a curve in the exact opposite direction | Sep 26 02:01 |
| cubexyz | but it was Hayflick that proved human cells can't divide indefinitely | Sep 26 02:01 |
| cubexyz | but now lifespans are increasing | Sep 26 02:02 |
| cubexyz | according to modern statistics | Sep 26 02:02 |
| XRevan86 | cubexyz: Since life conditions started improving | Sep 26 02:02 |
| XRevan86 | cubexyz: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hayflick_limit#Organismal_aging | Sep 26 02:03 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-en.wikipedia.org | Hayflick limit - Wikipedia | Sep 26 02:03 | |
| cubexyz | and big animals generally live longer | Sep 26 02:04 |
| XRevan86 | cubexyz: They probably simply need to more. | Sep 26 02:05 |
| XRevan86 | because the reproduction process is increasingly slower | Sep 26 02:05 |
| cubexyz | also larger animals have a slower heart beat | Sep 26 02:06 |
| cubexyz | e.g. turtles live longer than most other animals | Sep 26 02:06 |
| XRevan86 | cubexyz: yeah | Sep 26 02:07 |
| XRevan86 | I think humans would've lived forever if only there was an evolutionary advantage to that. | Sep 26 02:07 |
| cubexyz | one and a half billion heart beats is the limit | Sep 26 02:07 |
| cubexyz | so the elephant or whale has some x-factor that helps it live longer | Sep 26 02:08 |
| cubexyz | I think the elephants cells are more efficient than a mouse's | Sep 26 02:09 |
| XRevan86 | If one's super-heavy, one must be efficient :) | Sep 26 02:09 |
| XRevan86 | to pull it off | Sep 26 02:09 |
| cubexyz | but then humans live longer than elephants generally speaking | Sep 26 02:09 |
| XRevan86 | cubexyz: Not humans in their "natural habitats" %) | Sep 26 02:09 |
| XRevan86 | those don't outlive elephants generall | Sep 26 02:10 |
| XRevan86 | y | Sep 26 02:10 |
| cubexyz | actually the tallest humans generally live shorter lives | Sep 26 02:10 |
| XRevan86 | cubexyz: I mean, that elephants live worser lives than humans these days do | Sep 26 02:11 |
| cubexyz | so slow growth is the key | Sep 26 02:11 |
| XRevan86 | so they naturally live less | Sep 26 02:11 |
| cubexyz | oh yeah no doubt about it | Sep 26 02:11 |
| XRevan86 | cubexyz: A human body would have to be significantly redesigned to be okay with being taller/bigger. | Sep 26 02:12 |
| XRevan86 | something has to be done with that spine thing, it's not very good for tallness | Sep 26 02:12 |
| cubexyz | reduced calorie intake also helps one live longer | Sep 26 02:12 |
| cubexyz | children exposed to WWII rationing? they live longer than average | Sep 26 02:13 |
| XRevan86 | cubexyz: I'd rather say "optimal" | Sep 26 02:13 |
| XRevan86 | cubexyz: Those from the Leningrad blockade? Not so much. | Sep 26 02:13 |
| XRevan86 | scarred for life | Sep 26 02:13 |
| cubexyz | right, obviously there is a limit | Sep 26 02:13 |
| cubexyz | too much calorie reduction would be harmful | Sep 26 02:13 |
| cubexyz | eating less could meanh less cells dividing | Sep 26 02:15 |
| XRevan86 | cubexyz: Also the US is infamous for its food culture, so correlations from there are probably not very good :) | Sep 26 02:15 |
| cubexyz | not all of us pig out on fast food | Sep 26 02:15 |
| cubexyz | I'm pretty sure the calorie reduction method does work though | Sep 26 02:16 |
| XRevan86 | (food delivery?) | Sep 26 02:16 |
| cubexyz | dwarf mouse lives longer than regular mouse... | Sep 26 02:16 |
| XRevan86 | cubexyz: Aren't you from Canada? %) | Sep 26 02:16 |
| cubexyz | XRevan86, yes | Sep 26 02:16 |
| XRevan86 | > the US | Sep 26 02:16 |
| XRevan86 | > of us | Sep 26 02:16 |
| cubexyz | well, we have a lot of the bad fast food in Canada | Sep 26 02:17 |
| cubexyz | Burger King, McDonalds, KFC, etc | Sep 26 02:17 |
| cubexyz | I'm sure even Russia probably has some | Sep 26 02:17 |
| XRevan86 | cubexyz: Yeah, Burger King, McDonalds, KFC, etc | Sep 26 02:17 |
| cubexyz | dwarf mouse lack growth hormone GH | Sep 26 02:18 |
| cubexyz | their thyroid was different too | Sep 26 02:18 |
| XRevan86 | cubexyz: Maybe its heart is less stressed or something. | Sep 26 02:18 |
| cubexyz | also there was a measured reduction in insulin production | Sep 26 02:19 |
| cubexyz | interesting stuff | Sep 26 02:19 |
| cubexyz | https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/15536017 | Sep 26 02:19 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov | Life extension in the dwarf mouse. - PubMed - NCBI | Sep 26 02:19 | |
| XRevan86 | diabetic mouse %) | Sep 26 02:19 |
| XRevan86 | mice | Sep 26 02:19 |
| cubexyz | but the dwarf mouse lived much longer than regular mouse | Sep 26 02:20 |
| cubexyz | kind of like a dim light bulb burning out much more slowly | Sep 26 02:20 |
| XRevan86 | cubexyz: Well, the most obvious thing here is… dwarf don't seem to have a lifespan advantage | Sep 26 02:21 |
| XRevan86 | * dwarf humans | Sep 26 02:21 |
| XRevan86 | intended to write the word there but got caught up in trying to spell "dwarf" correctly | Sep 26 02:22 |
| cubexyz | it's not the same though... | Sep 26 02:22 |
| XRevan86 | for some reason my fingers want to print it as "drawf" | Sep 26 02:22 |
| cubexyz | dwarf mouse is not a normal mouse with dwarfism | Sep 26 02:22 |
| cubexyz | it's a different species of mouse | Sep 26 02:22 |
| cubexyz | as far as I know anyway | Sep 26 02:23 |
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| cubexyz | I'm no expert | Sep 26 02:23 |
| cubexyz | Mus Minutoides is the scientific name | Sep 26 02:24 |
| XRevan86 | cubexyz: Dwarfism in humans can only be debated as a subspecies, it all depends on how one looks at it | Sep 26 02:24 |
| cubexyz | dwarf parents can have normal size children | Sep 26 02:25 |
| XRevan86 | cubexyz: recessive and dominant genes, all that sort of stuff | Sep 26 02:25 |
| XRevan86 | if there's an environment when being a midget has a significant advantage, there everyone will be | Sep 26 02:26 |
| cubexyz | dwarf human can live a normal lifespan | Sep 26 02:26 |
| XRevan86 | cubexyz: That's the point, where's the surpassing? :) | Sep 26 02:26 |
| cubexyz | we can look at averages and statistics | Sep 26 02:26 |
| XRevan86 | they need less calories and stuff | Sep 26 02:27 |
| cubexyz | generally speaking big fat humans live shorter lives | Sep 26 02:27 |
| XRevan86 | why don't they live longer then | Sep 26 02:27 |
| XRevan86 | cubexyz: And healthy humans live longer lives. | Sep 26 02:27 |
| cubexyz | XRevan86, generally shorter humans live longer, but there must be a limit | Sep 26 02:28 |
| cubexyz | look at statistics for humans over 7 feet tall | Sep 26 02:28 |
| cubexyz | but do dwarfs live longer than normal, probably not | Sep 26 02:28 |
| XRevan86 | cubexyz: How long is that? %) | Sep 26 02:28 |
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| *XRevan86 looks at his foot closely. | Sep 26 02:28 | |
| cubexyz | dwarf mouse lived about 50% longer than average | Sep 26 02:29 |
| cubexyz | that's a big difference | Sep 26 02:29 |
| XRevan86 | 2.14 metres | Sep 26 02:30 |
| cubexyz | dwarfism in humans is defined as 147 cm or shorter | Sep 26 02:30 |
| XRevan86 | "over 2 metres tall", got ya | Sep 26 02:30 |
| XRevan86 | cubexyz: I was looking for the correspondence with "7 feet" | Sep 26 02:30 |
| cubexyz | generally dwarfism in humans (which varies a lot with different conditions) have a normal lifespan | Sep 26 02:31 |
| XRevan86 | I'm very bad with the British Imperial units. | Sep 26 02:31 |
| cubexyz | but not longer, as you pointed out | Sep 26 02:31 |
| cubexyz | XRevan86, ok, I will stick with metric then | Sep 26 02:31 |
| XRevan86 | cubexyz: That'll be appreciated :) | Sep 26 02:32 |
| cubexyz | average guy is probably 177 cm in height | Sep 26 02:32 |
| cubexyz | that's about what I am | Sep 26 02:32 |
| XRevan86 | I'm 179 cm or something like that | Sep 26 02:33 |
| XRevan86 | cubexyz: That depends on the region though. | Sep 26 02:33 |
| cubexyz | 6 foot tall is 183 cm | Sep 26 02:33 |
| XRevan86 | IIRC, Brazilians, for instance, are generally much shorter. | Sep 26 02:33 |
| XRevan86 | https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_average_human_height_worldwide | Sep 26 02:34 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-en.wikipedia.org | List of average human height worldwide - Wikipedia | Sep 26 02:34 | |
| XRevan86 | > 171 cm | Sep 26 02:34 |
| XRevan86 | or maybe not :) | Sep 26 02:34 |
| XRevan86 | (for a male) | Sep 26 02:34 |
| cubexyz | height relative to longevity: | Sep 26 02:35 |
| cubexyz | https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC1071721/figure/fig1/ | Sep 26 02:36 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov | PubMed Central, Figure 1: West J Med. 2002 May; 176(3): 206–208. | Sep 26 02:36 | |
| cubexyz | taller baseball players lived shorter lives | Sep 26 02:36 |
| XRevan86 | cubexyz: baseball players :) | Sep 26 02:37 |
| cubexyz | rapid growth had a positive correlation with cancer | Sep 26 02:37 |
| XRevan86 | cubexyz: But for an average human, what's the positive difference between being a perfectly normal healthy human and being… calorie reduced? | Sep 26 02:39 |
| cubexyz | ok I know about the test they did with mice... | Sep 26 02:39 |
| XRevan86 | for instance, gymnastics increase calorie consumption | Sep 26 02:39 |
| cubexyz | they let the mice eat as much as they wanted in group #1 | Sep 26 02:39 |
| cubexyz | in group #2 they gave them half of that amount of food | Sep 26 02:40 |
| cubexyz | group #2 lived longer | Sep 26 02:40 |
| XRevan86 | would that means that a person who exercises will live a shorter life because he consume naturally more? | Sep 26 02:40 |
| XRevan86 | cubexyz: This could mean that mice have no control over how much they consume. | Sep 26 02:40 |
| cubexyz | XRevan86, good question | Sep 26 02:41 |
| *XRevan86 has verb s's mixed up there %). No idea how that happened. | Sep 26 02:42 | |
| XRevan86 | A proof that I don't think much about my English when I type? :) | Sep 26 02:42 |
| cubexyz | probably no exercise is worse than some exercise, but extreme exercise has probably no benefit | Sep 26 02:42 |
| cubexyz | XRevan86, your english is readable :) | Sep 26 02:42 |
| cubexyz | plus atheletes are probably more careful what they eat | Sep 26 02:43 |
| cubexyz | also the oldest person ever wasn't an athelete | Sep 26 02:44 |
| XRevan86 | cubexyz: Athletes is an overdo | Sep 26 02:44 |
| cubexyz | but not a couch potato either | Sep 26 02:45 |
| XRevan86 | > XRevan86, your english is readable :) | Sep 26 02:45 |
| XRevan86 | Well, I'm aiming at the category "reasonable English for the native speaker". | Sep 26 02:45 |
| cubexyz | but you can see that the modern 120 year limit doesn't match up to the biblical claims of over 900 years | Sep 26 02:45 |
| cubexyz | there's no real "methuselah mouse" either | Sep 26 02:46 |
| XRevan86 | But everyone is too satisfied with readable English to point me to improvements :). | Sep 26 02:46 |
| cubexyz | a 50% improvement in lifespan is big, but 900+ years is more like 900% | Sep 26 02:47 |
| cubexyz | trying to remember what the record was for the mouse | Sep 26 02:50 |
| cubexyz | 1,356 days I think | Sep 26 02:51 |
| cubexyz | 3.7 years | Sep 26 02:51 |
| cubexyz | some biogerontologists say aging is reversible | Sep 26 02:53 |
| XRevan86 | cubexyz: Maybe biblical ages are counted in mouse years | Sep 26 02:53 |
| cubexyz | I think 1 mouse year = 58 human years | Sep 26 02:54 |
| cubexyz | so that's pretty good, but 3.7 * 58 only would equal 214.6 years | Sep 26 02:55 |
| cubexyz | still not up to Methuselah levels | Sep 26 02:55 |
| XRevan86 | 969 / 58 = 16.7 | Sep 26 02:56 |
| XRevan86 | Nah, that's too low now. | Sep 26 02:57 |
| cubexyz | Methuselah was at least 8 times the maximum of 120 years | Sep 26 02:57 |
| cubexyz | no way to reconcil that | Sep 26 02:58 |
| cubexyz | reconcile rather | Sep 26 02:58 |
| XRevan86 | Dog years? :) | Sep 26 02:59 |
| cubexyz | that's a lot closer | Sep 26 02:59 |
| XRevan86 | One to seven | Sep 26 03:02 |
| XRevan86 | Now too much :-/ | Sep 26 03:02 |
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| DaemonFC | CPU usage at 15% playing a h264 video at 1080p without it, and 10-11% with it. | Sep 26 07:49 |
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| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines https://twitter.com/tuxmachines/status/912577923466584064 | Sep 26 08:23 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Download latest Linux-based #LibreELEC Krypton -- #Kodi | Sep 26 08:23 |
| TweetTuxMachines | addons like Exodus and Covenant will work | Sep 26 08:23 |
| TweetTuxMachines | https://t.co/Fuu5TrEaRR (www.tuxmachines.org) #gnu #linux | Sep 26 08:23 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Download latest Linux-based LibreELEC Krypton -- Kodi addons like Exodus and Covenant will work | Tux Machines | Sep 26 08:23 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines https://twitter.com/tuxmachines/status/912578337758957570 | Sep 26 08:25 |
| TweetTuxMachines | #Ubuntu #GNOMEShell in Artful: Day 14 | Sep 26 08:25 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Ubuntu GNOME Shell in Artful: Day 14 | Tux Machines | Sep 26 08:25 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | #gnu #linux #canonica #gnome | Sep 26 08:25 |
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| *TweetTuxMachines @schestowitz retweeted @tuxmachines: 'Download latest Linux-based #LibreELEC Krypton -- #Kodi addons...' | Sep 26 08:31 | |
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| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/912581332114526208 | Sep 26 08:42 |
| TweetTuxMachines | retweeted by #AndEX Puts Android Marshmallow 6.0.1 64-Bit on Your PC | Sep 26 08:42 |
| TweetTuxMachines | @schestowitz with GAPPS and Netflix | Sep 26 08:42 |
| TweetTuxMachines | https://t.co/MNjrZRyJXA (www.tuxmachines.org) | Sep 26 08:42 |
| TweetTuxMachines | #gnu #linux #android | Sep 26 08:42 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | AndEX Puts Android Marshmallow 6.0.1 64-Bit on Your PC with GAPPS and Netflix | Tux Machines | Sep 26 08:42 | |
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| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines https://twitter.com/tuxmachines/status/912585298672078848 | Sep 26 08:52 |
| TweetTuxMachines | #RedHat: ‘Hybrid Cloud’, University of #Alabama, Red Hat | Sep 26 08:52 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Upgrades #Ansible and Expectations | Sep 26 08:52 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Red Hat: ‘Hybrid Cloud’, University of Alabama, Red Hat Upgrades Ansible and Expectations | Tux Machines | Sep 26 08:52 | |
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| TweetTuxMachines | retweeted by #RedHat: ‘Hybrid Cloud’, University of #Alabama, Red Hat | Sep 26 09:54 |
| TweetTuxMachines | @schestowitz Upgrades #Ansible and Expectations | Sep 26 09:54 |
| TweetTuxMachines | https://t.co/m4xfXs2Hst (www.tuxmachines.org) #gnu #linux | Sep 26 09:54 |
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| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines https://twitter.com/tuxmachines/status/912604213997441025 | Sep 26 10:08 |
| TweetTuxMachines | #AMD and #Linux #Kernel https://t.co/3ud8emJMl9 | Sep 26 10:08 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | AMD and Linux Kernel | Tux Machines | Sep 26 10:08 | |
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| *TweetTuxMachines @schestowitz retweeted @tuxmachines: '#AMD and #Linux #Kernel https://t.co/3ud8emJMl9' | Sep 26 10:10 | |
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| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines https://twitter.com/tuxmachines/status/912640701350993920 | Sep 26 12:32 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Baidu puts open source deep learning into smartphones | Sep 26 12:32 |
| TweetTuxMachines | https://t.co/vBhDXIA0DK (www.tuxmachines.org) | Sep 26 12:32 |
| TweetTuxMachines | #baidu #freesw | Sep 26 12:32 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Baidu puts open source deep learning into smartphones | Tux Machines | Sep 26 12:32 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines https://twitter.com/tuxmachines/status/912640857576161281 | Sep 26 12:35 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Android Leftovers https://t.co/tsq20g56JW | Sep 26 12:35 |
| TweetTuxMachines | (www.tuxmachines.org) #android #linux #google | Sep 26 12:35 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Android Leftovers | Tux Machines | Sep 26 12:35 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines https://twitter.com/tuxmachines/status/912641750132576256 | Sep 26 12:39 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Games: The Spicy Meatball Saves The Day, #Uebergame, | Sep 26 12:39 |
| TweetTuxMachines | #DwarfCorp | Sep 26 12:39 |
| TweetTuxMachines | https://t.co/yDHCCyMzu8 (www.tuxmachines.org) #games #gnu | Sep 26 12:39 |
| TweetTuxMachines | #linux | Sep 26 12:39 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Games: The Spicy Meatball Saves The Day, Uebergame, DwarfCorp | Tux Machines | Sep 26 12:39 | |
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| *TweetTuxMachines @schestowitz retweeted @tuxmachines: 'Android Leftovers https://t.co/tsq20g56JW #android #linux #google' | Sep 26 12:47 | |
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| *TweetTuxMachines @schestowitz retweeted @tuxmachines: 'Baidu puts open source deep learning into smartphones...' | Sep 26 12:57 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines https://twitter.com/tuxmachines/status/912647252904116225 | Sep 26 12:58 |
| TweetTuxMachines | #SUSE on #Storage https://t.co/dXq2zaB67Q | Sep 26 12:58 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | SUSE on Storage | Tux Machines | Sep 26 12:58 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines https://twitter.com/tuxmachines/status/912647505778761728 | Sep 26 13:02 |
| TweetTuxMachines | GNU/Linux in #Ataribox | Sep 26 13:02 |
| TweetTuxMachines | https://t.co/zBbpphQRvv (www.tuxmachines.org) #gnu #linux | Sep 26 13:02 |
| TweetTuxMachines | #atari | Sep 26 13:02 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | GNU/Linux in Ataribox | Tux Machines | Sep 26 13:02 | |
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| XRevan86 | http://kormany.hu/hu/kulgazdasagi-es-kulugyminiszterium/hirek/ukrajnanak-ez-fajni-fog https://newsru.com/world/26sep2017/forgetit.html | Sep 26 14:49 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-NEWSru.com :: Венгрия посоветовала Украине забыть о дальнейшей интеграции в ЕС из-за закона о языке образования | Sep 26 14:49 | |
| XRevan86 | Ukraine's president Poroshenko signed a decree that makes all education since middle school mandatory to be performed in Ukrainian with a plan to shift it to be completely Ukrainian in all stages since 2020. | Sep 26 14:52 |
| schestowitz | XRevan86: about FB? | Sep 26 14:52 |
| MinceR | the first link is broken, as expected | Sep 26 14:52 |
| schestowitz | I heard they might ban it soon | Sep 26 14:52 |
| XRevan86 | * http://www.kormany.hu/hu/kulgazdasagi-es-kulugyminiszterium/hirek/ukrajnanak-ez-fajni-fog | Sep 26 14:52 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.kormany.hu | NO TITLE | Sep 26 14:52 | |
| XRevan86 | MinceR: oops | Sep 26 14:52 |
| XRevan86 | schestowitz: Russia hints Facebook that it's likely to get banned in 2018. | Sep 26 14:53 |
| MinceR | ah yes, i've read about this circus before | Sep 26 14:53 |
| XRevan86 | MinceR: Which one? %) | Sep 26 14:53 |
| MinceR | the one where hungarians misinterpreted a ukrainian law change and threw a fit | Sep 26 14:53 |
| XRevan86 | Is it misinterpreted? | Sep 26 14:54 |
| MinceR | i vaguely remember reading that the effects are not even nearly as severe as they thought they were | Sep 26 14:54 |
| MinceR | then again, the hungarian state party is putin's lapdog | Sep 26 14:54 |
| XRevan86 | http://life.pravda.com.ua/society/2017/09/5/225241 | Sep 26 14:57 |
| XRevan86 | > Міністр освіти Лілія Гриневич уточнила, що українську мову у школах починатимуть вводити дітям меншин поступово. "У п’ятому класі й потім розширюватиметься кількість предметів державною мовою. У 11-му дитина вчитиме всі предмети українською і лише к | Sep 26 14:57 |
| XRevan86 | ка – мову, літературу – мовою меншин", – пояснила вона. | Sep 26 14:57 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-life.pravda.com.ua | ????? ? ??? ???: ?? ???? ??? "?? ???" | ?????? ??? _??? | Sep 26 14:57 | |
| XRevan86 | MinceR: Seems legit. | Sep 26 14:57 |
| XRevan86 | They do make Ukrainian mandatory for all. | Sep 26 14:57 |
| MinceR | afaik they didn't ban parallel education in other languages, though | Sep 26 14:58 |
| XRevan86 | MinceR: You mean, off school? | Sep 26 14:58 |
| MinceR | do they not have dual-language schools over there? | Sep 26 14:59 |
| schestowitz | XRevan86: thanks for the explanation | Sep 26 14:59 |
| schestowitz | XRevan86: earlier today I read it might be next week | Sep 26 14:59 |
| XRevan86 | MinceR: Apparently they won't now. | Sep 26 14:59 |
| XRevan86 | > In the 11th grade the child will learn all studies on Ukrainian and only some – language, literature – on the minority language. | Sep 26 15:00 |
| XRevan86 | words of the education minister | Sep 26 15:00 |
| MinceR | i fail to see the significance of this | Sep 26 15:00 |
| XRevan86 | schestowitz: RF wants all social networks to store data locally, Facebook apparently doesn't comply or doesn't comply completely. | Sep 26 15:03 |
| XRevan86 | Facebook is not the most popular social network in Russia, so they can pull that off without ruining everyone's lifeflow. | Sep 26 15:04 |
| XRevan86 | So, basically, they *can* do it. | Sep 26 15:05 |
| XRevan86 | MinceR: Rights of minorities or something. | Sep 26 15:05 |
| XRevan86 | I wonder what language Catalans learn in school with %). | Sep 26 15:06 |
| XRevan86 | https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Education_in_Catalan | Sep 26 15:06 |
| XRevan86 | > Along with democracy the Catalan language was restored in the sphere of education. | Sep 26 15:06 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-en.wikipedia.org | Education in Catalan - Wikipedia | Sep 26 15:07 | |
| XRevan86 | I honestly thought it'll be harder to find this out. | Sep 26 15:07 |
| XRevan86 | > Catalan was removed from the sphere of education between the 17th and 20th centuries, as the various states in which the language is spoken imposed obligatory education in the respective state language. | Sep 26 15:07 |
| XRevan86 | So, basically, this. Except not Catalan but Moldavian, Russian, Rusin (I wonder if they tought in Rusin), and 21th century Ukraine. | Sep 26 15:08 |
| XRevan86 | MinceR: Poroshenko believes that a strong Ukraine needs a strong national identity. I simply see that as a reflexion of that. | Sep 26 15:13 |
| XRevan86 | I'm not a patriotic kind, so I have no sympathy for that. | Sep 26 15:13 |
| MinceR | ic | Sep 26 15:14 |
| XRevan86 | If I'm not mistaken, Russian is the language of education all across RF. | Sep 26 15:19 |
| XRevan86 | But RF never had a problem accusing others of things it did itself :). | Sep 26 15:20 |
| XRevan86 | https://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/Образование_на_языках_народов_России hm | Sep 26 15:25 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-ru.wikipedia.org | Образование на языках народов России — Википедия | Sep 26 15:25 | |
| XRevan86 | > As it was noted in 1994, only on Bashkirian, Tatarian and Yakut languages school education was available from the first to the last classes. | Sep 26 15:25 |
| XRevan86 | Things aren't as monolithic as I thought, but things are very similiar to what Ukraine will do anyway. | Sep 26 15:26 |
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| XRevan86 | I should also point out that Poroshenko's ratings in Ukraine are as low as ever. And unlike Putin he won't be the eternal president :). Likely won't be reelected even. | Sep 26 15:31 |
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| XRevan86 | I have a feeling Facebook will comply with the demands. | Sep 26 15:38 |
| MinceR | :> | Sep 26 15:40 |
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| *TweetTuxMachines @tuxmachines favourited '@FurryThug @realDonaldTrump Have fun with your clown 'President'...' | Sep 26 17:20 | |
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| *TweetTuxMachines @tuxmachines favourited '@FurryThug @realDonaldTrump It's the same upper class robbing...' | Sep 26 17:20 | |
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| *TweetTuxMachines @tuxmachines favourited '@FurryThug @realDonaldTrump Not that I expect Trump supporters...' | Sep 26 17:20 | |
| *TweetTuxMachines @tuxmachines favourited retweet 'RT @schestowitz: @FurryThug @realDonaldTrump Not that I expect...' | Sep 26 17:20 | |
| *TweetTuxMachines @tuxmachines favourited '@FurryThug @realDonaldTrump This defense won't work anymore https://t.co/Z1eOMVzVf9' | Sep 26 17:20 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz: @FurryThug @realDonaldTrump This defense won't work anymore https://t.co/Z1eOMVzVf9 | Sep 26 17:20 | |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@TheDailyEdge: BREAKING: So-called "Billionaire" @realDonaldTrump owes Puerto Rico $33M -- now would be a good time to repay it. https://t.co/nyMH8USueG | Sep 26 17:20 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights- (Re-tweeted by qu1j0t3) | Sep 26 17:20 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@TheRynheart: @realDonaldTrump You left Puerto Rican tax payers with a $33M bill for your bankrupt golf course 2015… https://t.co/x5xt1Fs8Qm | Sep 26 17:20 | |
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| EPC | King Batistelli strikes again: https://www.epo.org/service-support/updates/2017/20170915_de.html | Sep 26 17:52 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.epo.org | EPO - No extension of periods expiring on 31 October 2017 | Sep 26 17:52 | |
| EPC | Just because his Majesty decided not to recognise Reformation Day, He assumes that the german federal post will also work. However, this is in contradiction to Rule 134(1) EPC. | Sep 26 17:53 |
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| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines https://twitter.com/tuxmachines/status/912721942397976583 | Sep 26 17:59 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Today in Techrights | Sep 26 17:59 |
| TweetTuxMachines | https://t.co/HDbsDVu4Fa (www.tuxmachines.org) | Sep 26 17:59 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Sep 26 17:59 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Today in Techrights | Tux Machines | Sep 26 17:59 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @schestowitz https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/912722904562982912 | Sep 26 17:59 |
| TweetTuxMachines | The account @tuxmachines is still #shadowbanned | Sep 26 17:59 |
| TweetTuxMachines | 3 days now | Sep 26 17:59 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Don't tell me it was "offensive" | Sep 26 17:59 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Or ToS violation | Sep 26 17:59 |
| TweetTuxMachines | It just posts Linux news | Sep 26 17:59 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Sep 26 17:59 | |
| schestowitz | EPC: thank you | Sep 26 18:15 |
| EPC | welcome! | Sep 26 18:16 |
| schestowitz | http://techrights.org/2017/09/11/pope-benoit/ | Sep 26 18:16 |
| schestowitz | so it's confirmed now | Sep 26 18:16 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | EPO Guest Article: “Pope” Benoît Refuses to Recognise Reformation Day 2017! | Techrights | Sep 26 18:16 | |
| EPC | yes it is confirmed. | Sep 26 18:16 |
| EPC | Coming next: two public holidays in 2018 will also no longer be recognised. | Sep 26 18:16 |
| schestowitz | I heard more days will be crossed out | Sep 26 18:16 |
| schestowitz | holiday dates | Sep 26 18:16 |
| schestowitz | which ones? | Sep 26 18:17 |
| EPC | Corpus Christi and All saints' Day | Sep 26 18:17 |
| schestowitz | confirmed? | Sep 26 18:17 |
| EPC | Had to be decided today after hearing of staff reps (just for fun) | Sep 26 18:18 |
| schestowitz | can I say this publicly? | Sep 26 18:18 |
| EPC | better wait until tomorrow. Should be confirmed by then. | Sep 26 18:18 |
| schestowitz | ok, how will I know | Sep 26 18:19 |
| schestowitz | drop by (IRC), k? | Sep 26 18:19 |
| EPC | ok | Sep 26 18:19 |
| schestowitz | I want to publish 'Club Med' pt 2 tonight | Sep 26 18:19 |
| schestowitz | then there's UEFA champions cleague | Sep 26 18:19 |
| EPC | ;) | Sep 26 18:19 |
| schestowitz | battistelli as referee | Sep 26 18:20 |
| schestowitz | Topic linesman | Sep 26 18:20 |
| EPC | rather not... or has someone already bought the result of the game? | Sep 26 18:20 |
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| TweetTuxMachines | @schestowitz https://twitter.com/MontriciaHubba1/status/912723339071729664 | Sep 26 18:40 |
| TweetTuxMachines | retweeted by The account @tuxmachines is still #shadowbanned | Sep 26 18:40 |
| TweetTuxMachines | @MontriciaHubba1 3 days now | Sep 26 18:40 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Don't tell me it was "offensive" | Sep 26 18:41 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Or ToS violation | Sep 26 18:41 |
| TweetTuxMachines | It just posts Linux news | Sep 26 18:41 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Sep 26 18:41 | |
| zoobab | pong | Sep 26 18:42 |
| TweetTuxMachines | @schestowitz https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/912733670259265536 | Sep 26 18:43 |
| TweetTuxMachines | The very fact an innocent #twitter account like | Sep 26 18:43 |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines got #shadowbanned for DAYS serves to show | Sep 26 18:43 |
| TweetTuxMachines | how broken #censorship in Twitter is | Sep 26 18:43 |
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| schestowitz | zoobab: yo | Sep 26 19:19 |
| schestowitz | the bristows thing? | Sep 26 19:19 |
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| TweetTuxMachines | @schestowitz https://twitter.com/carocarocjdl/status/912734331835224065 | Sep 26 19:22 |
| TweetTuxMachines | retweeted by The very fact an innocent #twitter account like | Sep 26 19:22 |
| TweetTuxMachines | @carocarocjdl @tuxmachines got #shadowbanned for DAYS serves to show | Sep 26 19:22 |
| TweetTuxMachines | how broken #censorship in Twitter is | Sep 26 19:22 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Sep 26 19:22 | |
| MinceR | https://imgur.com/gallery/UcooKoH | Sep 26 20:02 |
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| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/912744287292575744 | Sep 26 20:03 |
| TweetTuxMachines | retweeted by Today in Techrights | Sep 26 20:03 |
| TweetTuxMachines | @schestowitz https://t.co/HDbsDVu4Fa (www.tuxmachines.org) | Sep 26 20:03 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Sep 26 20:03 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Today in Techrights | Tux Machines | Sep 26 20:03 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @schestowitz https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/912754481024131072 | Sep 26 20:05 |
| TweetTuxMachines | @MikeWilliams012 @isaiah_lawson60 @realDonaldTrump Try | Sep 26 20:05 |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines for the tech, is's separated intentionally | Sep 26 20:05 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@arappeport: "Mr. President, thank you very much," Trump says to PM of Spain. | Sep 26 20:16 | |
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| *TweetTuxMachines @tuxmachines favourited '@ManCity about bloody time :-)' | Sep 26 20:53 | |
| *TweetTuxMachines @tuxmachines favourited retweet 'RT @schestowitz: @ManCity about bloody time :-)' | Sep 26 20:53 | |
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| MinceR | https://imgur.com/gallery/PHttXFX | Sep 26 21:06 |
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| DaemonFC | Heh, they ported Webkit2 to Mono. | Sep 26 21:09 |
| schestowitz | ported? | Sep 26 21:10 |
| schestowitz | As in...? | Sep 26 21:10 |
| schestowitz | it'll only work with it, or just optional? | Sep 26 21:10 |
| DaemonFC | MinceR, In French, airport is "aéroport". In Portuguese, it's "aeroporto". In Spanish, it's "aeropuerto". In Italian, it's "aeroporto". | Sep 26 21:13 |
| DaemonFC | In German.... | Sep 26 21:13 |
| DaemonFC | Flughafen!!! | Sep 26 21:14 |
| schestowitz | flughafen | Sep 26 21:14 |
| DaemonFC | That's why I like the Germans. | Sep 26 21:14 |
| schestowitz | beat you to it | Sep 26 21:14 |
| schestowitz | in my side of freenode anyway | Sep 26 21:14 |
| schestowitz | what's to like about words being different? | Sep 26 21:14 |
| MinceR | i don't see why people see the need to pronounce german words with rag | Sep 26 21:14 |
| MinceR | e | Sep 26 21:14 |
| DaemonFC | schestowitz, In mine, I beat you to it. | Sep 26 21:14 |
| DaemonFC | We need a neutral third party, but then again, lag... | Sep 26 21:15 |
| DaemonFC | MinceR, Because the entire language just sounds angry. | Sep 26 21:15 |
| DaemonFC | It's funny. | Sep 26 21:15 |
| MinceR | https://i.imgur.com/LSIlubx.png | Sep 26 21:16 |
| DaemonFC | I found a "learn German" book in the free bin at a local bookstore. | Sep 26 21:16 |
| DaemonFC | I'm already tied up trying to learn Spanish. | Sep 26 21:16 |
| MinceR | DaemonFC: it doesn't sound angry if you don't flip out while pronouncing words | Sep 26 21:16 |
| MinceR | or at least not that angry | Sep 26 21:16 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz: @ManCity https://t.co/dX7GMkO37N | Sep 26 21:18 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz: @ricardorossello @POTUS @realDonaldTrump His BFF https://t.co/WTrhItQ1Yu | Sep 26 21:18 | |
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| DaemonFC | MinceR, Like half of Chicago speaks Spanish and it just bothers me to not know what people are saying, so I've been taking a Spanish course. I'm not making a lot of progress because it's only when I'm bored. | Sep 26 21:18 |
| MinceR | any language will sound angry if you rage while speaking like that | Sep 26 21:18 |
| MinceR | good | Sep 26 21:19 |
| MinceR | spanish is used in many places | Sep 26 21:19 |
| DaemonFC | MinceR, By the second generation, the Spanish language is gone. | Sep 26 21:20 |
| DaemonFC | John doesn't speak any at all, and it's funny because the flights from Mexico will let out and they all see him there and start asking him things. | Sep 26 21:20 |
| MinceR | i don't get it | Sep 26 21:21 |
| DaemonFC | So I don't see why Republicans are bitching that they don't assimilate. They do. It's out of necessity. It's maybe the first generation that struggles with English, but they pick up enough to use. | Sep 26 21:21 |
| MinceR | the republicans are making shit up | Sep 26 21:22 |
| MinceR | their beliefs are irrational | Sep 26 21:22 |
| DaemonFC | Then they freak out that some of the businesses fly the Mexican flag. The ones I've seen do it fly it lower than the US and Illinois flags, which is fine. It would be nice if those same people had a problem with Confederate flags. | Sep 26 21:23 |
| DaemonFC | People fly Confederate flags. The terrorists that killed American soldiers and tried to overthrow our government. | Sep 26 21:24 |
| DaemonFC | Not a word. | Sep 26 21:24 |
| schestowitz | can they buy em? | Sep 26 21:24 |
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| DaemonFC | People fly all kinds of flags because of their heritage and it's only the Mexican one that's a problem... | Sep 26 21:24 |
| DaemonFC | schestowitz, Confederate flags? Yeah, you can buy them. | Sep 26 21:25 |
| schestowitz | nazi? | Sep 26 21:25 |
| DaemonFC | You can. | Sep 26 21:25 |
| schestowitz | nazi flags would probably be banned in most places in Europe | Sep 26 21:25 |
| DaemonFC | It's unconstitutional to ban a Nazi flag here, but you'd draw the condemnation of almost anyone who saw it. | Sep 26 21:26 |
| DaemonFC | It's socially unacceptable. Few people would do it even if they consider themselves Nazis. | Sep 26 21:26 |
| DaemonFC | You keep that to yourself. | Sep 26 21:27 |
| DaemonFC | The ones who do try it to stir up shit end up getting photographed and losing their jobs, etc. | Sep 26 21:27 |
| DaemonFC | schestowitz, There's a soft requirement to get on the ballot to run for elected office in Illinois. | Sep 26 21:28 |
| DaemonFC | You can sign an affirmation that you are not part of a group that is trying to overthrow the government. It's optional, but of course your opponent would find it useful if you didn't. | Sep 26 21:29 |
| DaemonFC | schestowitz, There's a Webkit2-sharp package that I just saw go by in Koji. | Sep 26 21:33 |
| DaemonFC | It should be possible to write a web browser in C# or something and use that as your rendering engine. | Sep 26 21:33 |
| DaemonFC | Pretty much all of the Mono desktop apps are dead though. Banshee hasn't been touched in years. The build log is starting to look like fixups to keep it building and mass rebuilds in Fedora. | Sep 26 21:34 |
| DaemonFC | Smuxi, Pinta, and Tomboy too. | Sep 26 21:34 |
| DaemonFC | And nobody has made a GTK3-sharp, so there'd be no way to modernize them anyway. | Sep 26 21:35 |
| DaemonFC | I'd consider openSUSE again because they dropped all of the Mono apps and they're not Novall or Attachmate anymore. | Sep 26 21:36 |
| DaemonFC | They seem to be getting along fine without Novell. | Sep 26 21:36 |
| MinceR | ew, botNET framework | Sep 26 21:36 |
| MinceR | suse is still lendows | Sep 26 21:36 |
| DaemonFC | If they have the resources to manage a rolling release and make it stable enough that you never have to stop and fix broken packages, that's quite the achievement. | Sep 26 21:36 |
| MinceR | it is also unlikely | Sep 26 21:37 |
| MinceR | and even more unlikely to endure | Sep 26 21:37 |
| MinceR | especially at the hands of suse people | Sep 26 21:37 |
| DaemonFC | They've been at it for a few years now. | Sep 26 21:37 |
| MinceR | they've been at a lot of stupid shit | Sep 26 21:37 |
| DaemonFC | Every now and then they branch off a Leap release and that's like their LTS. | Sep 26 21:37 |
| MinceR | propping up a m$ racket, cancerd | Sep 26 21:38 |
| DaemonFC | Almost every distribution worth mentioning has systemd at this point. | Sep 26 21:38 |
| DaemonFC | Even the community ones with no corporate sponsor. | Sep 26 21:38 |
| DaemonFC | Fedora can do some things that go against RHEL. It won't be dropping btrfs support, for example. | Sep 26 21:39 |
| MinceR | no, those are the distributions not worth mentioning | Sep 26 21:39 |
| DaemonFC | The only reasons Fedora has ever limited file system choices by default were because of bugs in Grub or not supporting SELinux labels. | Sep 26 21:40 |
| MinceR | they've proven themselves either incompetent or evil, or both | Sep 26 21:40 |
| MinceR | one might as well run windows instead of lendows, they're going to the same place | Sep 26 21:40 |
| DaemonFC | https://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=macOS-APFS-HFS-Benchmarks | Sep 26 21:43 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-macOS' APFS File-System Performing Much Better Than The Dated HFS+ - Phoronix | Sep 26 21:43 | |
| DaemonFC | Well, you'd hope that they could do better than an ancient file system that was kept around for 15 years past its expiration date. :/ | Sep 26 21:43 |
| MinceR | i wouldn't | Sep 26 21:43 |
| MinceR | i just hope they go away before they kill the IT industry with their evil bullshit | Sep 26 21:44 |
| MinceR | (also comments) https://imgur.com/gallery/0AD7rhy | Sep 26 21:45 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Know your bases... - Imgur | Sep 26 21:45 | |
| DaemonFC | https://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=article&item=amd-epyc-compilers&num=1 | Sep 26 21:46 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-GCC & LLVM Clang Compiler Benchmarks On AMD's EPYC 7601 - Phoronix | Sep 26 21:46 | |
| DaemonFC | I woner if more distributions will switch. OpenMandriva did a while back. | Sep 26 21:47 |
| XRevan86 | > And nobody has made a GTK3-sharp, so there'd be no way to modernize them anyway. | Sep 26 21:51 |
| XRevan86 | DaemonFC: I saw it somewhere actually. One would think it doesn't exist, because nothing uses it :) | Sep 26 21:51 |
| XRevan86 | DaemonFC: Hopefully, none :). | Sep 26 21:52 |
| schestowitz | MinceR: know your meme | Sep 26 21:53 |
| schestowitz | so I guess the second base is when these two girls find a cup | Sep 26 21:53 |
| MinceR | :) | Sep 26 21:53 |
| schestowitz | I don't want to think about what third base is even... | Sep 26 21:53 |
| MinceR | first base is tallying, second base is binary, third base is ternary, ... | Sep 26 21:54 |
| schestowitz | DaemonFC: re macOS' APFS File-System Performing Much Better Than The Dated HFS+ | Sep 26 21:54 |
| schestowitz | he's doing Apple crap now? | Sep 26 21:54 |
| schestowitz | it's barely even unix | Sep 26 21:54 |
| MinceR | it's not unix | Sep 26 21:54 |
| schestowitz | the site used to be about linux and solaris (Said the headings) | Sep 26 21:55 |
| schestowitz | MinceR: apple pretends it is | Sep 26 21:55 |
| schestowitz | the idiots who buy these things don't even know what unix is | Sep 26 21:55 |
| MinceR | indeed | Sep 26 21:56 |
| DaemonFC | It's UNIX-like. It has the SUS branding. | Sep 26 21:59 |
| *TweetTuxMachines got exception: Unexpected end of ZLIB input stream ; reconnecting to Twitter... | Sep 26 21:59 | |
| DaemonFC | They paid for aa marketing term. It's "Marketing UNIX". | Sep 26 21:59 |
| DaemonFC | Linux could probably pass if anyone wanted to pay for it. | Sep 26 22:01 |
| DaemonFC | The problem is that you can only say it's UNIX on the OS version and CPU architecture that passed. | Sep 26 22:01 |
| DaemonFC | https://www.phoronix.com/forums/forum/phoronix/latest-phoronix-articles/979183-haiku-os-is-gearing-up-for-its-long-awaited-beta-release | Sep 26 22:03 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Haiku OS Is Gearing Up For Its Long-Awaited Beta Release - Phoronix Forums | Sep 26 22:03 | |
| DaemonFC | Could XWayland be dropped? Eventually, and if you wanted to cause tons of apps that will never be ported to be lost forever. | Sep 26 22:03 |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines https://twitter.com/tuxmachines/status/912783936354385920 | Sep 26 22:04 |
| TweetTuxMachines | #Firefox Quantum | Sep 26 22:04 |
| TweetTuxMachines | https://t.co/OmZnBxcV41 (www.tuxmachines.org) #mozilla | Sep 26 22:04 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Sep 26 22:04 | |
| DaemonFC | Apple dropped XQuartz, but the user can still install it themselves. | Sep 26 22:04 |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines https://twitter.com/tuxmachines/status/912784389746167811 | Sep 26 22:04 |
| TweetTuxMachines | #Firefox takes a Quantum leap forward with new developer | Sep 26 22:04 |
| TweetTuxMachines | edition https://t.co/iEiIrsGSYf (www.tuxmachines.org) | Sep 26 22:04 |
| TweetTuxMachines | #mozilla | Sep 26 22:04 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Sep 26 22:04 | |
| DaemonFC | And Apple can blackmail the app developers to use Quartz in a way that we can't with Wayland. | Sep 26 22:04 |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines https://twitter.com/tuxmachines/status/912784628313989122 | Sep 26 22:04 |
| TweetTuxMachines | #NethServer 7.4 Linux Server OS Enters Beta Hot on the | Sep 26 22:04 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Heels of #CentOS 7.4 https://t.co/0aAmmZe6G2 | Sep 26 22:04 |
| TweetTuxMachines | (www.tuxmachines.org) #redhat #rhel #gnu #linux | Sep 26 22:04 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Sep 26 22:04 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Firefox Quantum | Tux Machines | Sep 26 22:04 | |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Firefox takes a Quantum leap forward with new developer edition | Tux Machines | Sep 26 22:07 | |
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| MinceR | 26 225910 < DaemonFC> It's UNIX-like. It has the SUS branding. | Sep 26 22:08 |
| MinceR | the SUS branding is useless | Sep 26 22:08 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | NethServer 7.4 Linux Server OS Enters Beta Hot on the Heels of CentOS 7.4 | Tux Machines | Sep 26 22:08 | |
| MinceR | the one thing it shows is that someone was stupid enough to hand the "open" group a bunch of cash | Sep 26 22:08 |
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| MinceR | the way OSuX shits all over the unix philosophy and then people try to parade it around as unix also shows the SUS branding to be useless | Sep 26 22:09 |
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| DaemonFC | MinceR, It's likely made the standard worse. | Sep 26 22:10 |
| DaemonFC | They'll change the standard to keep getting Apple's money. | Sep 26 22:10 |
| MinceR | https://i.imgur.com/9UtwC8j.gifv | Sep 26 22:10 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-i.imgur.com | Is it possible to learn this power? | Sep 26 22:10 | |
| MinceR | if it does not reflext the unix philosophy then it is not unix | Sep 26 22:10 |
| MinceR | s/ext/ect/ | Sep 26 22:11 |
| DaemonFC | Nobody ever said that GNU or Linux were UNIX. | Sep 26 22:11 |
| DaemonFC | In fact, GNU's Not Unix. | Sep 26 22:11 |
| XRevan86 | And Wine is not an emulator. | Sep 26 22:12 |
| DaemonFC | I suppose the irony of getting GNU/Linux certified would mean that GNU's Now Unix. | Sep 26 22:12 |
| MinceR | "GNU's Not Unix" originally referred to the trademark | Sep 26 22:13 |
| XRevan86 | MinceR: Huh, the link refuses to work. Imgur claims the is nonexistent. | Sep 26 22:13 |
| MinceR | they only took it out of the cabinet again when the FSF sold out to ratcrap and started propping up cancerd | Sep 26 22:13 |
| MinceR | great | Sep 26 22:13 |
| MinceR | imgur loves to fuck with links lately | Sep 26 22:13 |
| DaemonFC | brb | Sep 26 22:13 |
| MinceR | maybe this one will work >> https://imgur.com/9UtwC8j | Sep 26 22:13 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Is it possible to learn this power? - GIF on Imgur | Sep 26 22:14 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/912786964490973186 | Sep 26 22:14 |
| TweetTuxMachines | retweeted by #Ubuntu Dock Now Shows Badges and Progress Bars for | Sep 26 22:14 |
| TweetTuxMachines | @schestowitz Pinned Apps on Ubuntu 17.10 | Sep 26 22:14 |
| TweetTuxMachines | https://t.co/o85CehZqdi (www.tuxmachines.org) | Sep 26 22:14 |
| TweetTuxMachines | #gnu #linux | Sep 26 22:14 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Sep 26 22:14 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Ubuntu Dock Now Shows Badges and Progress Bars for Pinned Apps on Ubuntu 17.10 | Tux Machines | Sep 26 22:14 | |
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| XRevan86 | > Oops! We couldn't find that page | Sep 26 22:16 |
| XRevan86 | Still that. | Sep 26 22:16 |
| MinceR | https://random.cat/i/j3grk.jpg | Sep 26 22:16 |
| MinceR | XRevan86: maybe your government is having them block it or blocking it themselves? | Sep 26 22:17 |
| XRevan86 | I see the bot has no problem fetching it. | Sep 26 22:17 |
| MinceR | more ideas: https://i.imgur.com/9UtwC8j.mp4 https://i.imgur.com/9UtwC8j.gif | Sep 26 22:17 |
| XRevan86 | MinceR: Couldn't be the second thing, as it's HTTPS. | Sep 26 22:17 |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/912787407405232128 | Sep 26 22:17 |
| TweetTuxMachines | retweeted by #NethServer 7.4 Linux Server OS Enters Beta Hot on the | Sep 26 22:17 |
| TweetTuxMachines | @schestowitz Heels of #CentOS 7.4 https://t.co/0aAmmZe6G2 | Sep 26 22:17 |
| TweetTuxMachines | (www.tuxmachines.org) #redhat #rhel #gnu #linux | Sep 26 22:17 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Sep 26 22:17 | |
| MinceR | unless they've used Rubber-Hose Cryptanalysis to defeat PKI or something | Sep 26 22:17 |
| XRevan86 | And I haven't heard of imgur collaborating… | Sep 26 22:17 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | NethServer 7.4 Linux Server OS Enters Beta Hot on the Heels of CentOS 7.4 | Tux Machines | Sep 26 22:18 | |
| MinceR | it's enough if one CA trusted by your browser collaborates | Sep 26 22:18 |
| MinceR | PKI is hilariously easy for a government to compromise | Sep 26 22:18 |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/912788261059416064 | Sep 26 22:19 |
| TweetTuxMachines | retweeted by #Firefox takes a Quantum leap forward with new developer | Sep 26 22:19 |
| TweetTuxMachines | @schestowitz edition https://t.co/iEiIrsGSYf (www.tuxmachines.org) | Sep 26 22:19 |
| TweetTuxMachines | #mozilla | Sep 26 22:19 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Firefox takes a Quantum leap forward with new developer edition | Tux Machines | Sep 26 22:19 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | Sep 26 22:19 | |
| XRevan86 | MinceR: Just so I couldn't look at a pic called "Is it possible to learn this power?"? :) | Sep 26 22:20 |
| XRevan86 | Heh, worked on me laptop %). | Sep 26 22:21 |
| MinceR | the khuilo is petty | Sep 26 22:21 |
| XRevan86 | Apparently it didn't work only on Android. | Sep 26 22:21 |
| MinceR | hm, maybe their mobile site is fucked up | Sep 26 22:21 |
| MinceR | it hijacks direct links that work on non-mobile | Sep 26 22:22 |
| XRevan86 | Yeah, works in "full mode" | Sep 26 22:22 |
| MinceR | apparently imgur wants to give 9gag a chance | Sep 26 22:22 |
| *TweetTuxMachines @Rick4312 retweeted @tuxmachines: '#Firefox takes a Quantum leap forward with new...' | Sep 26 22:22 | |
| XRevan86 | I remember there was a link to imgur months ago that I actually couldn't access without VPN. | Sep 26 22:23 |
| MinceR | did you try that on mobile as well? | Sep 26 22:23 |
| XRevan86 | (not that I conform or deny that I use VPN) | Sep 26 22:23 |
| XRevan86 | MinceR: No, it was on my desktop. | Sep 26 22:23 |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/912789531623124993 | Sep 26 22:24 |
| TweetTuxMachines | retweeted by #Firefox Quantum | Sep 26 22:24 |
| TweetTuxMachines | @schestowitz https://t.co/OmZnBxcV41 (www.tuxmachines.org) #mozilla | Sep 26 22:24 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Sep 26 22:24 | |
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| TweetTuxMachines | #Facebook Licence-Patents Debacle | Sep 26 22:27 |
| TweetTuxMachines | https://t.co/DKASRHAthR (www.tuxmachines.org) #swpats | Sep 26 22:27 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Facebook Licence-Patents Debacle | Tux Machines | Sep 26 22:27 | |
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| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines https://twitter.com/tuxmachines/status/912790812785815554 | Sep 26 22:31 |
| TweetTuxMachines | #Security: #Deloitte, #Ransomware, #Equifax, #Denmark, | Sep 26 22:31 |
| TweetTuxMachines | and #macOS 0-Day | Sep 26 22:31 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Security: Deloitte, Ransomware, Equifax, Denmark, and macOS 0-Day | Tux Machines | Sep 26 22:31 | |
| XRevan86 | > https://imgur.com/gallery/PHttXFX | Sep 26 22:32 |
| XRevan86 | This is almost surreal. | Sep 26 22:32 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Former neo-Nazi has swastika tattoo removed from his chest thanks to unlikely friendship from an inspirational parole officer. - GIF on Imgur | Sep 26 22:32 | |
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| schestowitz | XRevan86: yeah | Sep 26 22:43 |
| schestowitz | weird | Sep 26 22:43 |
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| cubexyz | right, well some even question BSD as "true Unix" but I think that is silly | Sep 26 23:45 |
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| cubexyz | a lot of the grey beards use it, that's good enough for me | Sep 26 23:46 |
| cubexyz | it's directly descended from bell labs unix | Sep 26 23:46 |
| cubexyz | BSD 1.0 was a Unix v6 add-on | Sep 26 23:47 |
| cubexyz | openbsd was forked from NetBSD in late 1995 | Sep 26 23:49 |
| cubexyz | so 4.3BSD -> NetBSD which forked into OpenBSD | Sep 26 23:52 |
| cubexyz | NetBSD originally supported IBM PC, HP 9000, Amiga, 68K based Macintosh, Sun4's and PC532 | Sep 26 23:53 |
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| TweetTuxMachines | Richard Stallman: Microsoft’s “Love” For Linux Will Hurt | Sep 27 00:36 |
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| TweetTuxMachines | #Kubuntu #ArtfulAardvark (17.10) and #Ubuntu | Sep 27 00:48 |
| TweetTuxMachines | https://t.co/WHBZDbiwOv (www.tuxmachines.org) #kde | Sep 27 00:48 |
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| TweetTuxMachines | Links 26/9/2017: Ataribox runs GNU/Linux, Firefox | Sep 27 00:54 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Quantum, Microsoft Pays OSI https://t.co/vBPAOASZnY | Sep 27 00:54 |
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| TweetTuxMachines | #Atari All About GNU/Linux Now | Sep 27 00:57 |
| TweetTuxMachines | https://t.co/8nC4QeJgwB (www.tuxmachines.org) #gnu #linux | Sep 27 00:57 |
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| TweetTuxMachines | Software: #Adobe #Brackets, #Pick, #Kube, and #Outskirts | Sep 27 01:07 |
| TweetTuxMachines | (Game) https://t.co/awDImgGWEM (www.tuxmachines.org) | Sep 27 01:07 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Software: Adobe Brackets, Pick, Kube, and Outskirts (Game) | Tux Machines | Sep 27 01:07 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines https://twitter.com/tuxmachines/status/912830947233615873 | Sep 27 01:13 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Today's #tuxmachines Leftovers and #RedHat | Sep 27 01:13 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Today's Leftovers and Red Hat | Tux Machines | Sep 27 01:13 | |
| *TweetTuxMachines @schestowitz retweeted @tuxmachines: 'Today's #tuxmachines Leftovers and #RedHat https://t.co/li8ljR6Fxp...' | Sep 27 01:20 | |
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| TweetTuxMachines | @schestowitz (Game) https://t.co/awDImgGWEM (www.tuxmachines.org) | Sep 27 01:37 |
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| TweetTuxMachines | @schestowitz https://t.co/8nC4QeJgwB (www.tuxmachines.org) #gnu #linux | Sep 27 01:44 |
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| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/912840336795471872 | Sep 27 01:46 |
| TweetTuxMachines | retweeted by #Kubuntu #ArtfulAardvark (17.10) and #Ubuntu | Sep 27 01:46 |
| TweetTuxMachines | @schestowitz https://t.co/WHBZDbiwOv (www.tuxmachines.org) #kde | Sep 27 01:46 |
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| TweetTuxMachines | retweeted by today's howtos | Sep 27 01:53 |
| TweetTuxMachines | @schestowitz https://t.co/RILnYOm4Xv (www.tuxmachines.org) #howto #gnu | Sep 27 01:53 |
| TweetTuxMachines | #linux #unix | Sep 27 01:54 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | today's howtos | Tux Machines | Sep 27 01:54 | |
| cubexyz | wow, some of my customers pay $200+ per month cable bill | Sep 27 02:21 |
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| TweetTuxMachines | retweeted by #SUSECon in #Prague: #CaaS and #SDS | Sep 27 03:23 |
| TweetTuxMachines | @schestowitz https://t.co/hkfuXrzl4O (www.tuxmachines.org) #suse | Sep 27 03:23 |
| TweetTuxMachines | #opensuse #gnu #linux | Sep 27 03:23 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | SUSECon in Prague: CaaS and SDS | Tux Machines | Sep 27 03:23 | |
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| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/912924237874237441 | Sep 27 07:28 |
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| TweetTuxMachines | @schestowitz https://t.co/j9leYjaQNj (www.tuxmachines.org) #linux | Sep 27 07:28 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Phones/Devices: Librem 5, Pi HAT, Tizen and Android | Tux Machines | Sep 27 07:28 | |
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| *TweetTuxMachines @tuxmachines favourited '@JulianAssange If the same thing happened in London...' | Sep 27 07:31 | |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.bbc.co.uk | RT: NatWest to close Russian channel's UK bank accounts - BBC News | Sep 27 07:36 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/912928898563936256 | Sep 27 07:41 |
| TweetTuxMachines | retweeted by OSS Leftovers | Sep 27 07:41 |
| TweetTuxMachines | @schestowitz https://t.co/saGv9viZKY (www.tuxmachines.org) #freesw | Sep 27 07:41 |
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| TweetTuxMachines | retweeted by Richard Stallman: Microsoft’s “Love” For Linux Will Hurt | Sep 27 07:50 |
| TweetTuxMachines | @schestowitz Free And Open Source Software | Sep 27 07:50 |
| TweetTuxMachines | https://t.co/8BxDb8pdwG (www.tuxmachines.org) #microsoft | Sep 27 07:50 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Richard Stallman: Microsoft’s “Love” For Linux Will Hurt Free And Open Source Software | Tux Machines | Sep 27 07:50 | |
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| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/912932398966411264 | Sep 27 08:26 |
| TweetTuxMachines | retweeted by #Security: 'Retefe' and 'Dirty COW' | Sep 27 08:26 |
| TweetTuxMachines | @schestowitz https://t.co/nQyuNZ4Oiw (www.tuxmachines.org) #Retefe | Sep 27 08:26 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Security: 'Retefe' and 'Dirty COW' | Tux Machines | Sep 27 08:26 | |
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| TweetTuxMachines | @schestowitz https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/912952552949518336 | Sep 27 09:11 |
| TweetTuxMachines | The account @tuxmachines is still #shadowbanned by | Sep 27 09:11 |
| TweetTuxMachines | #twitter today. Those 'naughty' #linux news picks. | Sep 27 09:11 |
| TweetTuxMachines | #censorship | Sep 27 09:11 |
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| TweetTuxMachines | retweeted by Links 26/9/2017: Ataribox runs GNU/Linux, Firefox | Sep 27 09:40 |
| TweetTuxMachines | @schestowitz Quantum, Microsoft Pays OSI https://t.co/vBPAOASZnY | Sep 27 09:40 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Links 26/9/2017: Ataribox runs GNU/Linux, Firefox Quantum, Microsoft Pays OSI | Techrights | Sep 27 09:40 | |
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| TweetTuxMachines | 6 steps to perfecting an open source product strategy | Sep 27 10:33 |
| TweetTuxMachines | https://t.co/adEKxcZVZV (www.tuxmachines.org) #freesw | Sep 27 10:33 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | 6 steps to perfecting an open source product strategy | Tux Machines | Sep 27 10:33 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines https://twitter.com/tuxmachines/status/912973484522983425 | Sep 27 10:34 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Android Leftovers https://t.co/yc37X3REbF | Sep 27 10:34 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Android Leftovers | Tux Machines | Sep 27 10:34 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | (www.tuxmachines.org) #android #google #linux | Sep 27 10:34 |
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| *TweetTuxMachines @tuxmachines favourited '@JulianAssange Was there a bomb? No. ...' | Sep 27 10:34 | |
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| *TweetTuxMachines @schestowitz retweeted @tuxmachines: 'Android Leftovers https://t.co/yc37X3REbF #android #google #linux' | Sep 27 10:43 | |
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| TweetTuxMachines | retweeted by 6 steps to perfecting an open source product strategy | Sep 27 11:49 |
| TweetTuxMachines | @schestowitz https://t.co/adEKxcZVZV (www.tuxmachines.org) #freesw | Sep 27 11:49 |
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| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines https://twitter.com/tuxmachines/status/912992492961878017 | Sep 27 11:50 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Devices: #SOTI M#obiControl, #LimeSDR, USB-Key-Fob, | Sep 27 11:50 |
| TweetTuxMachines | #Aaeon | Sep 27 11:50 |
| TweetTuxMachines | https://t.co/8fdo9HAeMQ (www.tuxmachines.org) #gnu #linux | Sep 27 11:50 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Devices: SOTI MobiControl, LimeSDR, USB-Key-Fob, Aaeon | Tux Machines | Sep 27 11:51 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines https://twitter.com/tuxmachines/status/912992893257834496 | Sep 27 11:53 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Games: Ataribox, Time Recoil, Spring RTS | Sep 27 11:53 |
| TweetTuxMachines | https://t.co/p7yYiUsdaF (www.tuxmachines.org) #games #gnu | Sep 27 11:53 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Games: Ataribox, Time Recoil, Spring RTS | Tux Machines | Sep 27 11:53 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines https://twitter.com/tuxmachines/status/912993437149990912 | Sep 27 11:54 |
| TweetTuxMachines | #Security: #Deloitte, #AWS, #CCleaner, #Equifax, | Sep 27 11:54 |
| TweetTuxMachines | #Optionsbleed | Sep 27 11:54 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Security: Deloitte, AWS, CCleaner, Equifax, Optionsbleed | Tux Machines | Sep 27 11:54 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines https://twitter.com/tuxmachines/status/912993810602487808 | Sep 27 11:57 |
| TweetTuxMachines | #RedHat: #OpenShift #Kubernetes Revenue Growth, #SAP, and | Sep 27 11:57 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Results | Sep 27 11:57 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Red Hat: OpenShift Kubernetes Revenue Growth, SAP, and Results | Tux Machines | Sep 27 11:57 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines https://twitter.com/tuxmachines/status/912994483322712064 | Sep 27 12:00 |
| TweetTuxMachines | #Mir, #Wayland, #AMD, and New #RAID #Benchmark | Sep 27 12:00 |
| TweetTuxMachines | https://t.co/o5AicEh1dN (www.tuxmachines.org) #linux | Sep 27 12:00 |
| TweetTuxMachines | #graphics | Sep 27 12:00 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Mir, Wayland, AMD, and New RAID Benchmark | Tux Machines | Sep 27 12:00 | |
| *TweetTuxMachines @schestowitz retweeted @tuxmachines: '#Mir, #Wayland, #AMD, and New #RAID #Benchmark https://t.co/o5AicEh1dN...' | Sep 27 12:02 | |
| *TweetTuxMachines @schestowitz retweeted @tuxmachines: '#RedHat: #OpenShift #Kubernetes Revenue Growth, #SAP, and Results...' | Sep 27 12:06 | |
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| TweetTuxMachines | retweeted by #Security: #Deloitte, #AWS, #CCleaner, #Equifax, | Sep 27 12:46 |
| TweetTuxMachines | @schestowitz #Optionsbleed | Sep 27 12:46 |
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| TweetTuxMachines | @schestowitz https://t.co/p7yYiUsdaF (www.tuxmachines.org) #games #gnu | Sep 27 13:35 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Games: Ataribox, Time Recoil, Spring RTS | Tux Machines | Sep 27 13:35 | |
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| TweetTuxMachines | The latest Technology Tales Daily! | Sep 27 15:15 |
| TweetTuxMachines | https://t.co/Gk8eQCZrAi (paper.li) Thanks to @tuxmachines | Sep 27 15:15 |
| TweetTuxMachines | @bcs #linux #tech | Sep 27 15:15 |
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| TweetTuxMachines | Installing Linux on your PC is super easy - here's how to | Sep 27 16:30 |
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| TweetTuxMachines | #linux | Sep 27 16:30 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Installing Linux on your PC is super easy - here's how to do it | Tux Machines | Sep 27 16:30 | |
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| TweetTuxMachines | (www.tuxmachines.org) #redhat #rhel #gnu #linux | Sep 27 16:33 |
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| DaemonFC | https://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=Ubuntu-17.10-Drops-i386-ISO | Sep 27 17:47 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Ubuntu 17.10 Will Drop The 32-bit Desktop ISO - Phoronix | Sep 27 17:48 | |
| DaemonFC | https://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=article&item=macos-1013-linux&num=1 | Sep 27 17:49 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-macOS 10.13 High Sierra vs. Ubuntu Linux Performance - Phoronix | Sep 27 17:49 | |
| DaemonFC | He doesn't stop to ask why APFS might be "faster" than Ext4 in some cases (although Ext4 is sometimes faster than APFS). | Sep 27 17:49 |
| r_schestowitz | why? | Sep 27 17:50 |
| DaemonFC | In cases where the difference is extreme, you're probably looking at some kind of potential data loss in the file system that is sevveral times faster. | Sep 27 17:50 |
| DaemonFC | Like, no write barriers, or something like that. | Sep 27 17:50 |
| DaemonFC | Then again, APFS is fairly new, so it could improve over time. Once you're past the aqlite benchmark, Ext4 is much better on the rest. | Sep 27 17:52 |
| DaemonFC | This is the first release of APFS and not all of the features are enabled yet. | Sep 27 17:52 |
| DaemonFC | I was reading about it a while back and the article said that some of the features are not on by default. | Sep 27 17:53 |
| DaemonFC | I assume that the next few releases of OS X will start enabling them. | Sep 27 17:53 |
| DaemonFC | The file system does scale pretty well though. It's designed to be used on everything from an Apple Watch to a Mac Pro running as a server. | Sep 27 17:54 |
| DaemonFC | https://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2016/06/a-zfs-developers-analysis-of-the-good-and-bad-in-apples-new-apfs-file-system/ | Sep 27 17:55 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-arstechnica.com | A ZFS developer’s analysis of the good and bad in Apple’s new APFS file system | Ars Technica | Sep 27 17:55 | |
| r_schestowitz | old | Sep 27 17:55 |
| r_schestowitz | and Apple is now delivering semi-cooked s* | Sep 27 17:55 |
| r_schestowitz | like macOS | Sep 27 17:55 |
| DaemonFC | Ext4 is picking up some patches that help it scale better, but Red Hat is working on XFS too and recommends that for large volumes. | Sep 27 17:56 |
| DaemonFC | I'd probably use XFS on my laptop except that it STILL doesn't support shrinking a volume. | Sep 27 17:56 |
| DaemonFC | If xfsprogs ever does support that, I might consider it. If you need to adjust your LVM sizes, XFS is not really for you, unless you leave some unallocated space at install time (which to be fair IS what they recommend). | Sep 27 17:58 |
| DaemonFC | Since I already have Ext4 on my LVM partitions, that's probably what I'll keep in place. It works. | Sep 27 17:59 |
| DaemonFC | I couldn't actually bring myself to ever use Ext3. | Sep 27 18:00 |
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| EPC | EPO staff reps could confirm the president´s intention to cancel public holidays corpus christi and all saints' day. However, there has been no official communication about a final decision. | Sep 27 18:02 |
| DaemonFC | I played around with the various file systems at the time and came to the conclusion that XFS was the only real alternative. Reiserv3 has problems, JFS was okay but didn't support security labels, Ext2 had all of the problems of Ext3 plus no journal, | Sep 27 18:03 |
| r_schestowitz | EPC: hi | Sep 27 18:05 |
| EPC | hi | Sep 27 18:05 |
| DaemonFC | r_schestowitz, He should have thrown Fedora 27 in there. | Sep 27 18:05 |
| r_schestowitz | so I can state it publicly, right? | Sep 27 18:05 |
| EPC | yes | Sep 27 18:05 |
| r_schestowitz | thanks | Sep 27 18:05 |
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| DaemonFC | I'll probably be jumping to Fedora 28 as soon as it is out. A bunch of Skylake optimizations for glibc. | Sep 27 18:07 |
| DaemonFC | Skylake has actually been a pretty good platform for GNU/Linux once all of the kinks were worked out, which took a little while. | Sep 27 18:08 |
| DaemonFC | If I had it to do over again, I'd probably go with Purism or System 76 though. | Sep 27 18:09 |
| DaemonFC | There's no telling what Lenovo is doing now and I asked them what their plans are for non-Windows OS support on the Yoga 920 and they wouldn't commit to anything. | Sep 27 18:09 |
| DaemonFC | They claimed that the specs aren't finalized yet. Which is odd considering that they're already advertising it. | Sep 27 18:10 |
| DaemonFC | The CPU should be Intel Coffeelake, which is two generations newer than Skylake but similar in many ways, so hopefully the time to "full support" for Linux isn't as bad as it was for Skylake. | Sep 27 18:11 |
| r_schestowitz | you are on fedora, right? | Sep 27 18:12 |
| DaemonFC | I like the SoC design of the platform. Linux easily gets 10 hours on my 67 watt hour battery. | Sep 27 18:13 |
| DaemonFC | r_schestowitz, Yes. | Sep 27 18:13 |
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| DaemonFC | r_schestowitz, I found a patch for the broken X session. | Sep 27 18:14 |
| DaemonFC | I asked Fedora to backport it to Mutter until it lands in a stable release from upstream. It's a one liner. | Sep 27 18:15 |
| r_schestowitz | did they do a lennart on you? | Sep 27 18:15 |
| DaemonFC | It turned out to be Mutter falls back to the wrong font DPI on HiDPI displays with the GNOME on Xorg session. | Sep 27 18:15 |
| DaemonFC | The patch corrects the default font DPI. | Sep 27 18:15 |
| DaemonFC | r_schestowitz, No answer yet. Bug report just sitting there. | Sep 27 18:16 |
| DaemonFC | It'll land eventually. Same problem exists on Ubuntu 17.10 and openSUSE Tumbleweed. | Sep 27 18:16 |
| r_schestowitz | :-) | Sep 27 18:16 |
| r_schestowitz | thread locked yet? | Sep 27 18:16 |
| DaemonFC | Fedora? | Sep 27 18:16 |
| DaemonFC | My bug reports sometimes get closed fixed. Worth reporting, at least. | Sep 27 18:17 |
| DaemonFC | They sent out a bad hunspell-en update to 27 last week that broke inline spell check. It was supposed to treat "etc" the same across all English dictionaries and ended up highlighting almost everything as misspelled. | Sep 27 18:18 |
| r_schestowitz | brb | Sep 27 18:18 |
| r_schestowitz | gotta write the article about EPC's thing | Sep 27 18:18 |
| r_schestowitz | urgent | Sep 27 18:18 |
| DaemonFC | I started typing random words and asking it for suggestions. Like, I typed shampoo and it suggested trampoline. | Sep 27 18:18 |
| DaemonFC | r_schestowitz, https://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=Microsoft-Sponsors-OSI | Sep 27 18:19 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Microsoft Becomes A "Premium Sponsor" To The Open Source Initiative - Phoronix | Sep 27 18:19 | |
| DaemonFC | Microsoft is buying off the OSI now. | Sep 27 18:19 |
| razielle_tzu | great :/ | Sep 27 18:19 |
| MinceR | makes sense | Sep 27 18:19 |
| DaemonFC | It was probably just a matter of time. Next they'll be Premium FSF supporter and have a seat there too. | Sep 27 18:20 |
| MinceR | red hat bought an fsf, m$ buys an osi | Sep 27 18:20 |
| MinceR | m$ buying their way into the fsf would be funny | Sep 27 18:20 |
| DaemonFC | It seems like principles go out the window when enough money is involved. Neither the Linux Foundation nor OSI is getting much money though. | Sep 27 18:20 |
| MinceR | they'd say windows is free software too :> | Sep 27 18:20 |
| DaemonFC | Linux Foundation sold Microsoft a seat for a piddling $50,000 a year | Sep 27 18:20 |
| MinceR | and it was enough to make principles go out the window | Sep 27 18:21 |
| DaemonFC | MinceR, Stallman might still have enough influence THERE to veto that. | Sep 27 18:21 |
| DaemonFC | But some others would welcome them for sure and already have a high position at FSF, like Matthew Garrett. | Sep 27 18:22 |
| MinceR | i'm not sure if he will | Sep 27 18:22 |
| MinceR | he didn't oppose cancerd either | Sep 27 18:22 |
| DaemonFC | Well, systemd is FOSS. | Sep 27 18:22 |
| DaemonFC | LGPLv2 iirc | Sep 27 18:22 |
| MinceR | not in spirit | Sep 27 18:22 |
| MinceR | the whole scheme is centered on taking power away from the user | Sep 27 18:23 |
| DaemonFC | Wikipedia says LGPL 2.1 or later. | Sep 27 18:23 |
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| MinceR | that is all systemd does | Sep 27 18:23 |
| DaemonFC | That means that you could redistribute it as LGPL 3 if you wanted to. | Sep 27 18:23 |
| MinceR | and the license doesn't change that, unfortunately | Sep 27 18:23 |
| DaemonFC | Or you could ship your modules as LGPL v3+ only. | Sep 27 18:23 |
| MinceR | copyright licenses (and even patent licenses) aren't almighty, they can't protect all the freedoms of the user | Sep 27 18:24 |
| DaemonFC | brb | Sep 27 18:24 |
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| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines https://twitter.com/tuxmachines/status/913089489618243584 | Sep 27 18:30 |
| TweetTuxMachines | #Games: TIC-80, Cities: Skylines - Green Cities, | Sep 27 18:30 |
| TweetTuxMachines | #CavemanWarriors, #BallisticOverkill, #SpringRTS | Sep 27 18:30 |
| TweetTuxMachines | https://t.co/oGTwENad5H (www.tuxmachines.org) | Sep 27 18:30 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Games: TIC-80, Cities: Skylines - Green Cities, Ballistic Overkil, Caveman Warriors, SpringRTS | Tux Machines | Sep 27 18:31 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines https://twitter.com/tuxmachines/status/913093361132871681 | Sep 27 18:32 |
| TweetTuxMachines | KDE: #GCompris 0.81, #Plasma Mobile and Convergence, #KDE | Sep 27 18:32 |
| TweetTuxMachines | #Plasma5 and #FreeBSD | Sep 27 18:32 |
| TweetTuxMachines | https://t.co/wLpLB9p8N2 (www.tuxmachines.org) | Sep 27 18:32 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | KDE: GCompris 0.81, Plasma Mobile and Convergence, KDE Plasma 5 and FreeBSD | Tux Machines | Sep 27 18:32 | |
| r_schestowitz | [18:20] <MinceR> red hat bought an fsf, m$ buys an osi | Sep 27 18:33 |
| r_schestowitz | w3c also | Sep 27 18:33 |
| r_schestowitz | same ticks | Sep 27 18:34 |
| r_schestowitz | and tricks | Sep 27 18:34 |
| *TweetTuxMachines @schestowitz retweeted @tuxmachines: '#Games: TIC-80, Cities: Skylines - Green Cities, #CavemanWarriors,...' | Sep 27 18:41 | |
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| oiaohm | MinceR: recent GPL ruling as Contract means its not a Copyright license is something way more evil. | Sep 27 18:48 |
| oiaohm | MinceR: GPL is the what has been though to be rare "unilateral contract" | Sep 27 18:51 |
| oiaohm | MinceR: and being a unilateral contract means GPL is out side the limits of copyright law. | Sep 27 18:53 |
| DaemonFC | oiaohm, I hope it is a contract and a license. | Sep 27 18:57 |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/913096206666158080 | Sep 27 18:57 |
| TweetTuxMachines | retweeted by KDE: #GCompris 0.81, #Plasma Mobile and Convergence, #KDE | Sep 27 18:57 |
| TweetTuxMachines | @schestowitz #Plasma5 and #FreeBSD | Sep 27 18:57 |
| TweetTuxMachines | https://t.co/wLpLB9p8N2 (www.tuxmachines.org) | Sep 27 18:57 |
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| DaemonFC | That way it would give recipients an individual right to sue to enforce it if they don't get a copy of the source code and the copyright holder won't go after the offender. | Sep 27 18:57 |
| DaemonFC | That's how I got Samsung to release the code from my BDC-5500 blu ray player in 2009. | Sep 27 18:58 |
| DaemonFC | I sent them a certified letter. | Sep 27 18:58 |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines https://twitter.com/tuxmachines/status/913100242031140864 | Sep 27 18:59 |
| TweetTuxMachines | #macOS 10.13 High Sierra vs. #Ubuntu #Linux Performance | Sep 27 18:59 |
| TweetTuxMachines | https://t.co/jEMiXRvqlk (www.tuxmachines.org) #benchmark | Sep 27 18:59 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | macOS 10.13 High Sierra vs. Ubuntu Linux Performance | Tux Machines | Sep 27 18:59 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines https://twitter.com/tuxmachines/status/913100660018749441 | Sep 27 19:01 |
| TweetTuxMachines | #Linux 4.14 #Kernel Benchmarks With The Intel Core i9 | Sep 27 19:01 |
| TweetTuxMachines | 7980XE https://t.co/RQ1xDcLlry (www.tuxmachines.org) | Sep 27 19:01 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Linux 4.14 Kernel Benchmarks With The Intel Core i9 7980XE | Tux Machines | Sep 27 19:02 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines https://twitter.com/tuxmachines/status/913101264824803328 | Sep 27 19:04 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Ubuntu: #Ubuntu 17.10 Will Drop The 32-bit Desktop ISO | Sep 27 19:04 |
| TweetTuxMachines | and More | Sep 27 19:04 |
| TweetTuxMachines | https://t.co/D1Qhdhp1lg (www.tuxmachines.org) #gnu #linux | Sep 27 19:04 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Ubuntu: Ubuntu 17.10 Will Drop The 32-bit Desktop ISO and More | Tux Machines | Sep 27 19:04 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines https://twitter.com/tuxmachines/status/913101878006882304 | Sep 27 19:06 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Happy birthday to GNU: celebrating 34 years of the free | Sep 27 19:06 |
| TweetTuxMachines | software movement! | Sep 27 19:06 |
| TweetTuxMachines | https://t.co/NW4BI7PRsS (www.tuxmachines.org) | Sep 27 19:06 |
| TweetTuxMachines | #gnu #fsf #freesw | Sep 27 19:06 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Sep 27 19:06 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Happy birthday to GNU: celebrating 34 years of the free software movement! | Tux Machines | Sep 27 19:07 | |
| *TweetTuxMachines @schestowitz retweeted @tuxmachines: 'Happy birthday to GNU: celebrating 34 years of...' | Sep 27 19:08 | |
| *TweetTuxMachines @schestowitz retweeted @tuxmachines: 'Ubuntu: #Ubuntu 17.10 Will Drop The 32-bit Desktop...' | Sep 27 19:08 | |
| *TweetTuxMachines @glynmoody retweeted @tuxmachines: 'Ubuntu: #Ubuntu 17.10 Will Drop The 32-bit Desktop...' | Sep 27 19:10 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/913103562086998016 | Sep 27 19:20 |
| TweetTuxMachines | retweeted by #Linux 4.14 #Kernel Benchmarks With The Intel Core i9 | Sep 27 19:20 |
| TweetTuxMachines | @schestowitz 7980XE https://t.co/RQ1xDcLlry (www.tuxmachines.org) | Sep 27 19:20 |
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| MinceR | oiaohm: and yet it still can't protect users from lock-in | Sep 27 19:33 |
| MinceR | and it also can't protect users from certain kinds of other malware | Sep 27 19:33 |
| oiaohm | MinceR: as a unilateral contract it has more protection for end users against lock-in. It does cause a interesting glitch for those writing malware as well. Modify GPL binary you have agreed to the contract so source code should be under the contract. | Sep 27 20:05 |
| MinceR | access to source code is not a silver bullet | Sep 27 20:06 |
| MinceR | for example, it does not imply immediate and total understanding of the source code | Sep 27 20:06 |
| MinceR | and even access to source code you do not have if you can't enforce the contract | Sep 27 20:06 |
| MinceR | https://imgur.com/gallery/01C5K | Sep 27 20:07 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-I get hot under the colander - Album on Imgur | Sep 27 20:07 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/913106129584103433 | Sep 27 20:08 |
| TweetTuxMachines | retweeted by #macOS 10.13 High Sierra vs. #Ubuntu #Linux Performance | Sep 27 20:08 |
| TweetTuxMachines | @schestowitz https://t.co/jEMiXRvqlk (www.tuxmachines.org) #benchmark | Sep 27 20:08 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | macOS 10.13 High Sierra vs. Ubuntu Linux Performance | Tux Machines | Sep 27 20:08 | |
| *TweetTuxMachines @tuxmachines favourited '@ManUtd @AnthonyMartial So many wins in a row....' | Sep 27 20:08 | |
| oiaohm | MinceR: I did not say it was perfect. | Sep 27 20:09 |
| MinceR | which was my point | Sep 27 20:09 |
| MinceR | nowadays the fsf appears to pretend that just having code under a certain license guarantees all relevant freedoms to the user | Sep 27 20:09 |
| oiaohm | MinceR: really I don't agree with FSF choices but their idea is not 100 percent false either. When you start looking at AGPL and GPL differences it does seam like it would be possible to make a license that does protect users. | Sep 27 20:12 |
| oiaohm | MinceR: but then that leads you to a battle with hardware vendors. | Sep 27 20:13 |
| MinceR | something that follows from my point is that fsf giving cancerd a free pass due to [l]gpl means they're sleeping at the wheel | Sep 27 20:13 |
| oiaohm | MinceR: thing is a license to protect users would not be really possible if it was restricted by copyright law. | Sep 27 20:13 |
| oiaohm | MinceR: really your hate of systemd really need to step back. The number of things we were using by default before systemd that were dependant on sysvinit was past a joke. I know because I had tried in the past using runit and the like. | Sep 27 20:16 |
| oiaohm | MinceR: complaining about systemd will not solve the basic problem. Init solution on Linux was defective before systemd. Ok systemd has not fixed it but you still have not seen most of the alternatives lift their game either. | Sep 27 20:17 |
| oiaohm | MinceR: is it FSF problem that there are a lack of properly competitive init solutions? | Sep 27 20:18 |
| MinceR | oiaohm: no your unconditional love of big corporations is what needs to take a step back | Sep 27 20:20 |
| MinceR | things dependent on sysvinit would have been fixed just fine by some distros moving to openrc, others to dmd, yet others to other stuff | Sep 27 20:20 |
| MinceR | systemd has not fixed the situation; it has made it a lot worse. | Sep 27 20:21 |
| MinceR | also, regardless of how many times you reiterate the old bullshit about systemd being "just an init system", it's still bullshit | Sep 27 20:21 |
| oiaohm | MinceR: really no a lot of stuff that was bundled into systemd was already know for not being init system netural. | Sep 27 20:25 |
| MinceR | more equivocation... | Sep 27 20:26 |
| oiaohm | MinceR: systemd has made is more clear on how many parts are not neutral | Sep 27 20:26 |
| MinceR | oiaohm: don't you have someone else to waste the time of? | Sep 27 20:26 |
| MinceR | oh wow, really? | Sep 27 20:26 |
| MinceR | if you move a part into a massive blob that demands to run in pid1 as root, then those parts become dependent on it? | Sep 27 20:27 |
| MinceR | did you make that discovery all on your own? | Sep 27 20:27 |
| oiaohm | Interesting part is systemd functions just fine when it not running as pid1 | Sep 27 20:27 |
| MinceR | [citation needed] | Sep 27 20:28 |
| oiaohm | systemd was design to run in a chroot to start off with. | Sep 27 20:28 |
| oiaohm | systemd user mode harks back to is early form. | Sep 27 20:28 |
| oiaohm | MinceR: have you never read systemctl man page and noticed the --user flag and ask the question does that mode in fact work with the everything else core systemd. | Sep 27 20:30 |
| oiaohm | MinceR: basically systemd first form is still in systemd. | Sep 27 20:30 |
| MinceR | oiaohm: i'm sure someone would care about all that if you people didn't start putting systemd dependencies everywhere well before systemd was even getting close to stable. | Sep 27 20:31 |
| oiaohm | MinceR: the issue has been fixing up cgroup to cgroupv2 so sections of the cgroup tree could be delegated. | Sep 27 20:31 |
| MinceR | oiaohm: the issue is, cgroup should have been fixed _before_ dependencies in gnome and elsewhere were abused to force systemd on users, and into alleged "stable" distro releases. | Sep 27 20:33 |
| oiaohm | MinceR: you cannot make a omelet without break eggs. | Sep 27 20:33 |
| MinceR | oiaohm: you can develop an OS without destroying mission critical infrastructure. | Sep 27 20:34 |
| oiaohm | MinceR: Linux kernel development model cgroups could not be fixed without reworld examples of the cgroupv1 issues. | Sep 27 20:34 |
| MinceR | oiaohm: i'm sure in microsoft's world it's just business as usual to treat all customers as pre-alpha testers, but in the unix world it isn't. | Sep 27 20:34 |
| oiaohm | reworld/real world | Sep 27 20:34 |
| oiaohm | MinceR: Linux is not Unix | Sep 27 20:34 |
| MinceR | oiaohm: "real world" is not the same as "every single damn computer running this kernel" | Sep 27 20:35 |
| MinceR | oiaohm: GNU/Linux is Unix | Sep 27 20:35 |
| oiaohm | No | Sep 27 20:35 |
| oiaohm | GNU/Linux is only Unix like. Its not a licensed Unix does not have the same development rules. | Sep 27 20:35 |
| oiaohm | MinceR: basically get use to the facts. | Sep 27 20:35 |
| MinceR | oiaohm: do i have to reiterate _yet again_ what i think about the fraudsters at the "open" group? | Sep 27 20:35 |
| oiaohm | MinceR: Linus states that Linux is only unix like. | Sep 27 20:36 |
| MinceR | oiaohm: maybe a lawyer would give a fuck about who handed the greedy assholes at the "open" group a suitcase full of money, but i don't. | Sep 27 20:36 |
| oiaohm | MinceR: this is not a open group statement problem only either. | Sep 27 20:36 |
| MinceR | oiaohm: have fun with your macos. | Sep 27 20:36 |
| MinceR | oiaohm: yes it is. | Sep 27 20:36 |
| oiaohm | MinceR: I don't use macos | Sep 27 20:37 |
| MinceR | oiaohm: novell handed the unix trademark that fell in their lap off to the "open" group | Sep 27 20:37 |
| MinceR | oiaohm: who then proceeded to whore it out for money and thus destroy all meaning it had before. | Sep 27 20:37 |
| oiaohm | Part of the usage right of the Unix trademark was agreement to a particular development style. | Sep 27 20:37 |
| MinceR | oiaohm: guess what, crApple paid those criminals to call macos "unix" | Sep 27 20:37 |
| oiaohm | MinceR: and in process agreed to a particular development style. | Sep 27 20:37 |
| MinceR | oiaohm: read https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Unix_philosophy someday. | Sep 27 20:38 |
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| MinceR | it's full of stuff your beloved lennart can't understand. | Sep 27 20:38 |
| oiaohm | MinceR: and that is absolutely not how the Linux kernel is developed. | Sep 27 20:40 |
| MinceR | oiaohm: who said the Linux kernel itself was Unix? | Sep 27 20:40 |
| oiaohm | MinceR: even the tools made in the Linux kernel source code don't obey those rules. | Sep 27 20:41 |
| MinceR | oiaohm: who said the tools made in the Linux kernel source code itself was Unix? | Sep 27 20:41 |
| oiaohm | The Unix philosophy is not used that much in the Linux world. | Sep 27 20:42 |
| MinceR | well, of course, as long as you equate the systemd/Linux world that fills your horizons entirely "the Linux world" | Sep 27 20:42 |
| MinceR | and pretend that the universe was created in 2010. | Sep 27 20:42 |
| oiaohm | No look at busybox and tell me how that aligns to Unix philosophy | Sep 27 20:42 |
| MinceR | tell me how many GNU/Linux distros use busybox | Sep 27 20:43 |
| oiaohm | What about bash | Sep 27 20:43 |
| oiaohm | That never been to the Unix philosophy | Sep 27 20:43 |
| XRevan86 | busybox is a great *emergency* tool. | Sep 27 20:43 |
| MinceR | bash aligns pretty well to it | Sep 27 20:43 |
| oiaohm | MinceR: no it does not | Sep 27 20:43 |
| MinceR | yet many other shells are available | Sep 27 20:43 |
| XRevan86 | It's a basic shitty coreutils that's good when nothing else works. | Sep 27 20:43 |
| oiaohm | MinceR: debian made dash because bash does way way too much. | Sep 27 20:43 |
| MinceR | and there's no trickery in place to prevent you from using another shell | Sep 27 20:43 |
| XRevan86 | debian made dash to have a minimally POSIX compliant shell | Sep 27 20:44 |
| MinceR | oiaohm: for example, i use zsh as my shell and yet somehow my desktop environment doesn't refuse to work and doesn't scream heresy. | Sep 27 20:44 |
| XRevan86 | dash is good for basic scripts that do simple things | Sep 27 20:44 |
| MinceR | and it was probably a good thing that they made dash | Sep 27 20:44 |
| oiaohm | MinceR: zsh broke my gnome in 2004 | Sep 27 20:44 |
| XRevan86 | and for making scripts that work not only with bash but maybe something else too, which is reasonable for simple scripts | Sep 27 20:45 |
| MinceR | oiaohm: well, of course, it's gnome. | Sep 27 20:45 |
| MinceR | gnome was lendows before systemd even existed | Sep 27 20:45 |
| oiaohm | MinceR: being overly dependant on user selected shell and other parts predates systemd with gnome by a long way. | Sep 27 20:45 |
| XRevan86 | dash is minimally POSIX, marginally faster and smaller. Also it's a terrible actual shell. Because it's not supposed to. | Sep 27 20:45 |
| oiaohm | XRevan86: the key point of the Unix philosophy is the idea that being minimal is always good. Dash is closer to the Unix philosphy and its a really good example of some of the downsides of that idea. | Sep 27 20:46 |
| MinceR | and oiaohm's obvious solution is to instead be maximal | Sep 27 20:47 |
| MinceR | do everything in one program, and do it all badly | Sep 27 20:47 |
| oiaohm | MinceR: systemd is not 1 program is a collection of programs. | Sep 27 20:47 |
| XRevan86 | oiaohm: That's twisting things. dash definitely doesn't cover a lot of use cases that bash does. | Sep 27 20:47 |
| MinceR | oiaohm: bullshit | Sep 27 20:47 |
| oiaohm | MinceR: systemd is a collection of programs. Like it or not. | Sep 27 20:48 |
| MinceR | systemd is a massive daemon with a few other massive daemons that heavily depend on each other, and a bunch of command-line interface utilities that can't do anything without their respective daemons. | Sep 27 20:48 |
| MinceR | oiaohm: systemd is a cohesionless hairball. like it or not. | Sep 27 20:48 |
| XRevan86 | "do one thing and do it well" – dash doesn't cover that if that thing is being a scripting language that does anything beyond POSIX | Sep 27 20:49 |
| XRevan86 | again, it's because dash's task is to stick to the POSIX standard | Sep 27 20:49 |
| MinceR | it sticks to one thing as much as any unix shell does | Sep 27 20:49 |
| XRevan86 | I guess one could say bash's bloat is that it's both a scripting language and a shell | Sep 27 20:50 |
| XRevan86 | but, it's actually not a complicated shell %) | Sep 27 20:50 |
| XRevan86 | I mean, not bloat, a betrayal of the UNIX philosophy | Sep 27 20:51 |
| MinceR | it has some GNU extensions above POSIX | Sep 27 20:51 |
| MinceR | apparently for some people that makes it equivalent to "let's reinvent the userland in 1 process lol" | Sep 27 20:52 |
| XRevan86 | Yeah. And that's because bash's task is not to provide a minimal POSIX shell | Sep 27 20:52 |
| MinceR | but that's probably because they've forsaken logic for the sake of shilling red hat. | Sep 27 20:52 |
| XRevan86 | but to provide a POSIX compliant shell with features that make life easier a bit | Sep 27 20:52 |
| MinceR | obviously, making life easier is heresy | Sep 27 20:52 |
| MinceR | the one true way is to make life so difficult you have to cry to microsoft or red hat or apple for help at every step | Sep 27 20:53 |
| MinceR | that reminds me, the exercise in awful OS design known as "VMS" prevents users from using another shell | Sep 27 20:54 |
| MinceR | that must give cancerd cultists warm, happy feelings | Sep 27 20:54 |
| oiaohm | MinceR: the right road will be somewhere in the middle between Unix Philosophy and maximal. | Sep 27 20:55 |
| MinceR | oh, right, the golden mean fallacy | Sep 27 20:55 |
| oiaohm | MinceR: Unix Philosophy did not even correctly apply to sysvinit. | Sep 27 20:55 |
| MinceR | then all you have to do is to put the "other example" in a sufficiently absurd spot to make your way the One Right Way in the "middle" | Sep 27 20:55 |
| MinceR | it also has the nice side effect of removing the need to think | Sep 27 20:56 |
| oiaohm | MinceR: there are a few basic questions that start leading down a interesting path. | Sep 27 20:56 |
| oiaohm | Why do we need service management? | Sep 27 20:56 |
| MinceR | "sysvinit wasn't perfect, therefore obviously we must turn Linux-based systems into as much a wreck as physically possible" | Sep 27 20:56 |
| MinceR | thanks, but i'll skip that | Sep 27 20:56 |
| oiaohm | Why do we need service management? as a userspace application. | Sep 27 20:57 |
| MinceR | why don't we just build everything into the kernel? | Sep 27 20:57 |
| MinceR | it would get rid of that pesky distinction between one program and another | Sep 27 20:57 |
| oiaohm | AIX does not require it. | Sep 27 20:57 |
| MinceR | plus, as the experts at microsoft said, it would make everything so fast! | Sep 27 20:57 |
| oiaohm | There is something about the process tree structure. | Sep 27 20:58 |
| MinceR | (protip: they did that with the windowing system in winblows NT and it was still slow as shit. but at least it could crash the system that much more easily.) | Sep 27 20:58 |
| oiaohm | Of course when you start talking about this people say why don't we build everything into the kernel but that is not the problem. | Sep 27 20:58 |
| oiaohm | NT has the same problem. | Sep 27 20:59 |
| oiaohm | As the Linux kernel does with the process tree design. | Sep 27 20:59 |
| oiaohm | Because both trace back to exactly the same book. | Sep 27 20:59 |
| MinceR | https://imgur.com/r/ImGoingToHellForThis/dOxxscd | Sep 27 20:59 |
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| MinceR | well, you also liked it when red hat's "solution" to their IPC daemon being too slow was to just throw it into the kernel. without even profiling it first. | Sep 27 21:00 |
| oiaohm | MinceR: its like the idea of userspace graphics memory drivers then wondering why you have cat fight in userspace. | Sep 27 21:00 |
| MinceR | if it's shitty software design, oiaohm is all for it! | Sep 27 21:01 |
| oiaohm | No I am not. | Sep 27 21:01 |
| MinceR | oiaohm: i'm wondering why i have to have a civil war in supposedly free software. | Sep 27 21:01 |
| oiaohm | There is some shitty software design that you love ignoring. | Sep 27 21:01 |
| MinceR | why do we have to have a certain corporation use software dependencies as weapons against users and why do they still get to be considered a friend to free software and its users. | Sep 27 21:02 |
| oiaohm | lets forget hald | Sep 27 21:02 |
| MinceR | yeah, apparently sysvinit not being absolutely perfect is "shitty software design that i love ignoring" | Sep 27 21:02 |
| MinceR | and apparently the only possible solution is systemd. | Sep 27 21:03 |
| MinceR | hald is dead | Sep 27 21:03 |
| MinceR | deal with it. | Sep 27 21:03 |
| oiaohm | I mentioned another problem being the process tree design. And you said why not put all in kernel. | Sep 27 21:03 |
| MinceR | though it was probably better than what we ended up having forced on us instead | Sep 27 21:03 |
| oiaohm | MinceR: basically you have ignored there are a set of problems. | Sep 27 21:03 |
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| MinceR | well yeah, you won't have issues with the process tree if your process tree consists of a single node | Sep 27 21:03 |
| oiaohm | Those problems lead to a mess as you attempt to work around them. | Sep 27 21:03 |
| MinceR | you'll just have the issue of Linux being distinct from that single node (systemd) | Sep 27 21:04 |
| MinceR | would be so much nicer if you just had the kernel | Sep 27 21:04 |
| MinceR | why don't you run TempleOS and stop bothering people who like free software? | Sep 27 21:04 |
| oiaohm | MinceR: I said AIX that is a multi node model without the single PID1 node. | Sep 27 21:05 |
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| oiaohm | MinceR: lets go off right down the wrong path again. | Sep 27 21:06 |
| oiaohm | MinceR: why with Linux do we have a design that demands cleam up be PID1. Its not like processes that lost parents had to be design to go there in the first place. Wait that is what the talk about first BSD/Unix os said was how you should do it. | Sep 27 21:07 |
| MinceR | oiaohm: reaping zombies is a trivial task. | Sep 27 21:09 |
| oiaohm | MinceR: and no one has really revisited these core design bits just kept on coping them no matter how broken they are. Then having to create work arounds on top of that design task. | Sep 27 21:09 |
| MinceR | it does not need a massive pid1. | Sep 27 21:09 |
| MinceR | it does not even need a pid1 as big as sysvinit's. | Sep 27 21:09 |
| oiaohm | MinceR: its not only zombies that end up connected to pid1 following unix design. All child processes who parrent dies also get connect to PID1 when they are not zombies. | Sep 27 21:10 |
| oiaohm | MinceR: that old book has a lot to answer for. | Sep 27 21:10 |
| MinceR | oiaohm: so what? waiting on running processes does not kill them. | Sep 27 21:12 |
| oiaohm | MinceR: who did start those processes thinking that information has been delete from the process tree by the reassign to PID1. | Sep 27 21:13 |
| MinceR | that's not in scope. | Sep 27 21:14 |
| oiaohm | Good lie. | Sep 27 21:14 |
| oiaohm | Its in the scope of AIX version. | Sep 27 21:14 |
| oiaohm | Its a pure design choice with the hell it causes. | Sep 27 21:14 |
| MinceR | GNU/Linux is not AIX. | Sep 27 21:14 |
| oiaohm | AIX does not need cgroups for proper service tracking because is process tree is more sane. | Sep 27 21:15 |
| oiaohm | Does not need as complex of a init system either. | Sep 27 21:15 |
| oiaohm | Because it does not have work around as many core design problems. | Sep 27 21:15 |
| MinceR | good. go run AIX and stop bothering me with this nonsense. | Sep 27 21:17 |
| oiaohm | See start talking about design faults and issues and hey its now just nonsense | Sep 27 21:18 |
| oiaohm | MinceR: the more you have to code over a core problem the larger parts come. Of course the other option is just ignore the core problem and keep you program small and put up the with ongoing issues. | Sep 27 21:23 |
| MinceR | riiiight, because doing everything in one process as a solution to a zombie reaper not doing something well which is not zombie reaping makes so much sense | Sep 27 21:24 |
| MinceR | life was too boring for people who didn't run extremely badly coded services? | Sep 27 21:24 |
| oiaohm | MinceR: everything shoved into PID1 comes from a stupid choice in Linux kernel cgroupv1 where the only thing able to start and control cgroups fully had to run as PID1 for a while. | Sep 27 21:25 |
| MinceR | yeah, why fix a design flaw in unfinished cgroups when you can instead fuck the whole OS up instead? | Sep 27 21:25 |
| oiaohm | MinceR: please note that stupid cgroup PID1 choice predates the existance of systemd. | Sep 27 21:25 |
| MinceR | makes so much sense now! | Sep 27 21:25 |
| MinceR | certainly beats the other alternative of not using cgroups in production until it's done and it actually works | Sep 27 21:26 |
| oiaohm | MinceR: and that developer from cgroupv1 pid mess is not from redhat. | Sep 27 21:26 |
| MinceR | and let's just ignore the fact that none of this magic is even necessary to manage daemons that don't fork (daemonize)... | Sep 27 21:26 |
| MinceR | great | Sep 27 21:26 |
| oiaohm | Core design faults have habit of spreading like a plague. | Sep 27 21:27 |
| MinceR | only the developer who capitalized on that mess to use it as excuse to destroy GNU is from redhat | Sep 27 21:27 |
| MinceR | that makes things so much nicer | Sep 27 21:27 |
| MinceR | well, that's what makes them core design flaws | Sep 27 21:27 |
| oiaohm | So some of systemd nightmare starts in the Linux kernel itself. | Sep 27 21:27 |
| MinceR | and why fix it if you can spread it instead | Sep 27 21:28 |
| oiaohm | systemd developer working on fixing up cgroup v2 is about fully removing the horible requirement to have a single application controlling all of cgroups or having absolutely hell. | Sep 27 21:29 |
| MinceR | great | Sep 27 21:29 |
| MinceR | then he can cancel all of systemd | Sep 27 21:29 |
| MinceR | and rethink the whole thing once that's done | Sep 27 21:29 |
| MinceR | because once cgroups design is fixed, it won't be an excuse for systemd even to the tiny extent it was in the past | Sep 27 21:30 |
| MinceR | and maybe red hat could pay for a software engineering 101 course for the systemd cabal | Sep 27 21:30 |
| MinceR | so they don't fuck up like this in the future | Sep 27 21:30 |
| MinceR | and instead think before they code | Sep 27 21:30 |
| oiaohm | Please note before systemd you had the choice of 9 different cgroup controllers. Yes you make something like the linux world that you can only have 1 item to control it and you have to get a army of different people wanting control of it. | Sep 27 21:31 |
| MinceR | i also had a choice you're ignoring | Sep 27 21:31 |
| MinceR | that of not using cgroups at all | Sep 27 21:31 |
| MinceR | which is the correct choice for a kernel feature that is not yet ready for use | Sep 27 21:31 |
| oiaohm | Not using cgroups at all meant the feature got added to the kernel and basically let rot and come more and more horible when you used it. | Sep 27 21:32 |
| MinceR | also, if i saw someone with the caliber of poettering hacking something up to control cgroups i'd probably want to replace his hack with something sane too | Sep 27 21:32 |
| MinceR | which didn't matter because i did not use it | Sep 27 21:33 |
| oiaohm | MinceR: poettering cgroup controller is that bad that it was like heck we have to fix this kernel cgroup defective design. | Sep 27 21:33 |
| oiaohm | MinceR: instead of putting it under the ingore it rug and hope it goes away. | Sep 27 21:34 |
| MinceR | and yet here we are, something that grew out of that hack slaughtering GNU/Linux distros left and right | Sep 27 21:34 |
| MinceR | but at least it exposes the people responsible for those distros to be unfit to be in charge of a distro | Sep 27 21:34 |
| oiaohm | The scary part is there about another 18 items in the kernel that I know of that could be another stack of hell. | Sep 27 21:35 |
| MinceR | how many of them will be used as an excuse to try and destroy userspace? | Sep 27 21:36 |
| oiaohm | MinceR: cgroupv1 before systemd was a fun way to screw everything up give 1 program 100 percent IO and another program 100 pecent CPU access and watch everything lock up as the program with 100 percent cpu access attempts to do IO blocked by the process with 100 percent io grantted. | Sep 27 21:36 |
| MinceR | well, that's not a big deal | Sep 27 21:37 |
| MinceR | with root, i can set things up so that the system won't even boot. | Sep 27 21:37 |
| oiaohm | MinceR: cgroupv2 adds sanity. A program cannot have 100 percent IO and no cpu time under cgroupv2. Because you cannot do IO without cpu right. | Sep 27 21:38 |
| oiaohm | MinceR: yes you can break a Linux system with root so it will not boot. But being able to set somethings is just pure insane. | Sep 27 21:39 |
| MinceR | there are many settings that can break a system, and this is normal | Sep 27 21:40 |
| MinceR | "Unix was not designed to stop you from doing stupid things, because that would also stop you from doing clever things." | Sep 27 21:40 |
| oiaohm | MinceR: most have a logical reason for needing to set them. | Sep 27 21:40 |
| oiaohm | MinceR: 100 percent IO with no means to do IO is not logical. | Sep 27 21:41 |
| oiaohm | MinceR: you could do same thing with the memory controller and other cgroupv1 controllers because they were independent to each other so no sanity check. | Sep 27 21:41 |
| oiaohm | MinceR: a few sanity checks don't stop you form doing clever things but do stop you from doing absolutely foolish things. | Sep 27 21:43 |
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| cubexyz | well Theo de Raadt is as stubborn as they come | Sep 27 22:59 |
| cubexyz | openbsd will never use systemd | Sep 27 23:00 |
| cubexyz | hopefully not slackware either | Sep 27 23:00 |
| XRevan86 | > openbsd will never use systemd | Sep 27 23:00 |
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| cubexyz | no Vax either | Sep 27 23:05 |
| cubexyz | Vax support lasted until 5.9 | Sep 27 23:06 |
| cubexyz | microvax maxed out at 16 megs of ram | Sep 27 23:09 |
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| cubexyz | I wish I knew which init was the best | Sep 28 00:44 |
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| XRevan86 | cubexyz: Best for what? :) | Sep 28 00:44 |
| XRevan86 | cubexyz: systemd is actually the one that gave me the best user experience :). So, you know, best for what %). | Sep 28 00:46 |
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| cubexyz | XRevan86, just process control I guess | Sep 28 00:46 |
| cubexyz | something simple that just works | Sep 28 00:47 |
| XRevan86 | cubexyz: Process _control_ implies cgroups :) | Sep 28 00:50 |
| cubexyz | what about BSD? | Sep 28 00:51 |
| cubexyz | cgroups is a linux thing is it not? | Sep 28 00:51 |
| XRevan86 | When I look at rc-status and see that everything is okay even though oomkiller was on a rampage, it frustrates me. | Sep 28 00:51 |
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| XRevan86 | cubexyz: Then there's literally nothing as far as I know… | Sep 28 00:52 |
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| XRevan86 | By process control here I mean the ability of an init system to actively see what is going on with the spawned processes. | Sep 28 00:52 |
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| XRevan86 | And that's exactly what made good experiences with systemd for me. | Sep 28 00:53 |
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| XRevan86 | Because with systemd I can execute "systemctl list-units" and know what is working and what is not. | Sep 28 00:54 |
| XRevan86 | With sysvinit what do I do? The only thing that I managed to do is look at htop and guess what's missing. Or look at logs. | Sep 28 00:55 |
| cubexyz | /sbin/service --status-all | Sep 28 00:56 |
| cubexyz | maybe that's a redhat thing for old redhat | Sep 28 00:56 |
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| XRevan86 | cubexyz: No, it works. But it's like rc-status. | Sep 28 00:57 |
| XRevan86 | It doesn't really know. | Sep 28 00:57 |
| DaemonFC | chrome-extension://cjpalhdlnbpafiamejdnhcphjbkeiagm/asset-viewer.html?url=https://raw.githubusercontent.com/hoshsadiq/adblock-nocoin-list/master/nocoin.txt | Sep 28 00:58 |
| DaemonFC | oops | Sep 28 00:58 |
| DaemonFC | https://raw.githubusercontent.com/hoshsadiq/adblock-nocoin-list/master/nocoin.txt | Sep 28 00:58 |
| DaemonFC | Apparently, this is necessary now. | Sep 28 00:58 |
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| DaemonFC | Sites are using JavaScript to make bitcoin miners that run when you visit their page | Sep 28 00:58 |
| XRevan86 | though, maybe it does… | Sep 28 00:59 |
| cubexyz | I have broader issues... | Sep 28 00:59 |
| cubexyz | I want compatibility with old Loki and LGP games | Sep 28 00:59 |
| XRevan86 | cubexyz: Huh, it does. | Sep 28 00:59 |
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| XRevan86 | though the initscript has to specifically be capable of that… | Sep 28 01:00 |
| cubexyz | and i also need to use old gcc for some things | Sep 28 01:00 |
| XRevan86 | and that's hard to implement reliably | Sep 28 01:00 |
| XRevan86 | I see a lot of initscripts actually don't provide that | Sep 28 01:00 |
| DaemonFC | Showtime's website and some others got caught loading bitcoin mining JavaScript malware from Coinhive into peoples web browsers. | Sep 28 01:00 |
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| cubexyz | also chkconfig used to be a thing | Sep 28 01:01 |
| cubexyz | I'm not sure if modern distros still have that | Sep 28 01:02 |
| XRevan86 | cubexyz: Looks like update-rc.d from the description | Sep 28 01:03 |
| XRevan86 | or rc-update from openrc | Sep 28 01:03 |
| DaemonFC | https://www.theverge.com/2017/9/26/16367620/showtime-cpu-cryptocurrency-monero-coinhive | Sep 28 01:04 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.theverge.com | Showtime websites secretly mined user CPU for cryptocurrency - The Verge | Sep 28 01:04 | |
| DaemonFC | I suppose it was just a matter of time. | Sep 28 01:04 |
| XRevan86 | cubexyz: Anyway, OpenRC seems to me to be the best init system that has a… cautious approach to things :). | Sep 28 01:05 |
| XRevan86 | DaemonFC: Monero estas bizara nomo por la programo kiel tio. | Sep 28 01:06 |
| XRevan86 | "A coin is a bizarre name for the programme like that" | Sep 28 01:06 |
| cubexyz | XRevan86, I think I can build chkconfig for slackware | Sep 28 01:06 |
| XRevan86 | cubexyz: It should have a similiar thing already | Sep 28 01:07 |
| XRevan86 | that's kind of mandatory :) | Sep 28 01:07 |
| XRevan86 | to have a tool that enables/disables services | Sep 28 01:07 |
| cubexyz | yeah | Sep 28 01:08 |
| cubexyz | there's /etc/rc.d/rc.ssd restart (for example) | Sep 28 01:09 |
| XRevan86 | cubexyz: That's not enabling/disabling | Sep 28 01:09 |
| XRevan86 | enabling/disabling is making services start up automatically with a runlevel | Sep 28 01:10 |
| XRevan86 | or making them not if disabling of course :) | Sep 28 01:10 |
| XRevan86 | rc-update add fail2ban default | Sep 28 01:10 |
| XRevan86 | like that | Sep 28 01:10 |
| cubexyz | I don't know the slackware way to do that | Sep 28 01:11 |
| XRevan86 | this will make fail2ban start up with the system boot up at the runlevel default | Sep 28 01:11 |
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| TweetTuxMachines | Leftovers: Kernel, Graphics, and #ManjaroDeepin 17.0.5 | Sep 28 01:11 |
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| XRevan86 | "default" is "rc.4" in Slackware, apparently | Sep 28 01:12 |
| XRevan86 | apparently, you just have to add lines with services you want to the file called like that %) | Sep 28 01:12 |
| XRevan86 | So, nothing for script automation or anything… | Sep 28 01:13 |
| XRevan86 | http://slackware.com/config/init.php | Sep 28 01:13 |
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| XRevan86 | > The files below define the different runlevels in Slackware Linux. | Sep 28 01:14 |
| XRevan86 | > rc.4 Multiuser startup (runlevel 4), but in X11 with KDM, GDM, or XDM as the login manager. | Sep 28 01:14 |
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| XRevan86 | oops | Sep 28 01:14 |
| XRevan86 | > rc.M Multiuser mode (runlevel 2 and 3), but with the standard text-based login. This is the default runlevel in Slackware. | Sep 28 01:14 |
| XRevan86 | this one, actually | Sep 28 01:14 |
| cubexyz | XRevan86, there's a slackware 14.2 package for chkconfig | Sep 28 01:15 |
| cubexyz | I'm just going to install that | Sep 28 01:15 |
| XRevan86 | cubexyz: Maybe it even works %) | Sep 28 01:15 |
| XRevan86 | http://packages.slackware.com/ I can't find it here though. | Sep 28 01:16 |
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| cubexyz | damn it | Sep 28 01:16 |
| XRevan86 | cubexyz: Is it in Salix? | Sep 28 01:16 |
| cubexyz | it says libnewt is missing | Sep 28 01:16 |
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| *TweetTuxMachines @schestowitz retweeted @tuxmachines: 'Leftovers: Kernel, Graphics, and #ManjaroDeepin 17.0.5 https://t.co/3y3567IqAZ #linux...' | Sep 28 01:17 | |
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| XRevan86 | DaemonFC: Learning some Esperanto is paying off, I instantly recognised Monero as a word :D. | Sep 28 01:19 |
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| cubexyz | XRevan86, it looks like slackware folks just do: chmod -x /etc/rc.d/rc.whatever when they want to turn off a service | Sep 28 01:31 |
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| XRevan86 | cubexyz: Oh. But… runlevels | Sep 28 01:32 |
| DaemonFC | The bitcoin malware is a new and nasty twist. | Sep 28 01:32 |
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| DaemonFC | Ad revenue is collapsing and this is where things are headed. | Sep 28 01:33 |
| XRevan86 | It seems there's management for that. And that's too sophisticated to be managed by a trick like that. | Sep 28 01:33 |
| DaemonFC | systemd can run sysvinit style scripts. | Sep 28 01:33 |
| XRevan86 | Soon: CoinBlock addons :). | Sep 28 01:33 |
| DaemonFC | XRevan86, Already has happened. | Sep 28 01:33 |
| XRevan86 | Nothing is really changed then :). | Sep 28 01:34 |
| XRevan86 | People will continue to block undesirable things and those who don't will continue to suffer. | Sep 28 01:34 |
| DaemonFC | Except that they'll start bypassing it by randomly naming and locating the script. | Sep 28 01:35 |
| DaemonFC | Ultimately, NoScript might be the only answer | Sep 28 01:35 |
| XRevan86 | DaemonFC: I guess ublock must evolve to counter that. | Sep 28 01:36 |
| oiaohm | DaemonFC: https://blog.360totalsecurity.com/en/new-internet-attack-mining-script/ I guess refering to this. | Sep 28 01:36 |
| cubexyz | XRevan86, I have no idea what half the scripts in /etc/rc.d do | Sep 28 01:36 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-blog.360totalsecurity.com | New Internet Attack! Mining Script using your browser for money | Sep 28 01:36 | |
| XRevan86 | cubexyz: Well, can't really tell, never saw slackware :) | Sep 28 01:37 |
| XRevan86 | I really dislike how it's done. I'd rather use Alpine -_- | Sep 28 01:38 |
| cubexyz | well I have to think about low memory usage | Sep 28 01:38 |
| XRevan86 | (don't use alpine, it's very limited because of musl) | Sep 28 01:38 |
| XRevan86 | ah | Sep 28 01:38 |
| cubexyz | that's why I picked vector linux years ago | Sep 28 01:38 |
| DaemonFC | The fucked up shit here is that Chrome/ium allows you to block scripts on a site but Firefox does not. | Sep 28 01:38 |
| XRevan86 | cubexyz: Then do consider Alpine :) | Sep 28 01:38 |
| DaemonFC | Just to be sure, I went ahead and blocked scripts on tpb entirely. | Sep 28 01:39 |
| XRevan86 | cubexyz: It's designed to work even on routers. | Sep 28 01:39 |
| XRevan86 | but to be multi-purpose as possible | Sep 28 01:39 |
| XRevan86 | DaemonFC: You know they did that for only a day, right? | Sep 28 01:40 |
| XRevan86 | cubexyz: If you don't care about software they didn't get to build with musl and about locales… | Sep 28 01:41 |
| cubexyz | XRevan86, I was mulling over void linux since it had the musl library | Sep 28 01:41 |
| XRevan86 | it's PM is extremely basic, but not compared to slackware :) | Sep 28 01:41 |
| XRevan86 | cubexyz: mulling? | Sep 28 01:41 |
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| cubexyz | think deeply about something :) | Sep 28 01:42 |
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| cubexyz | also can mean heat with sugar and spices :) | Sep 28 01:42 |
| XRevan86 | cubexyz: Well, Void is rolling. Dunno what you think about that. | Sep 28 01:43 |
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| XRevan86 | cubexyz: This word is completely new to me :) | Sep 28 01:44 |
| cubexyz | actually the 2nd meaning sounds pretty good | Sep 28 01:44 |
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| XRevan86 | cubexyz: Anyway, from what I know about your preferences (OS simplicity), I think you'll like alpine. | Sep 28 01:47 |
| XRevan86 | It tries really hard to fit on a router :) | Sep 28 01:47 |
| cubexyz | not merely simplicity... elegance + efficiency | Sep 28 01:47 |
| cubexyz | but it sounds promising | Sep 28 01:48 |
| XRevan86 | As an init it uses systemd | Sep 28 01:48 |
| cubexyz | nooooo | Sep 28 01:48 |
| XRevan86 | kidding, openrc :) | Sep 28 01:48 |
| cubexyz | ok :) | Sep 28 01:48 |
| cubexyz | I think the bsd way is pretty close to the slackware way | Sep 28 01:49 |
| XRevan86 | init-wise void is simpler though: runit | Sep 28 01:50 |
| cubexyz | except openbsd has no /etc/rc.d | Sep 28 01:51 |
| XRevan86 | I have questions about runit handling cases like double-forking… | Sep 28 01:51 |
| XRevan86 | I don't like runit… it's too simple. | Sep 28 01:52 |
| cubexyz | openbsd uses rc.conf, but slackware doesn't | Sep 28 01:52 |
| XRevan86 | cubexyz: What's rc.d exactly? | Sep 28 01:53 |
| XRevan86 | init.d? | Sep 28 01:53 |
| r_schestowitz | innit?! | Sep 28 01:53 |
| cubexyz | the scripts are in /etc/rc.d | Sep 28 01:53 |
| cubexyz | it's just a directory | Sep 28 01:53 |
| XRevan86 | cubexyz: I'm wondering if it's actually a directory with enabled services… | Sep 28 01:54 |
| XRevan86 | Does init.d exist in slackware too? | Sep 28 01:54 |
| cubexyz | yeah, that's a subdirectory under /etc/rc.d | Sep 28 01:55 |
| XRevan86 | I never really thought through about how sysvinit or similar store enabledness of services | Sep 28 01:55 |
| XRevan86 | But I think it's symlinks in directories /etc/rc.5/ and such. | Sep 28 01:56 |
| XRevan86 | rc5.d * | Sep 28 01:56 |
| XRevan86 | cubexyz: And what else is there apart from it? | Sep 28 01:57 |
| cubexyz | there's a bunch of rc.X.d directories | Sep 28 01:57 |
| cubexyz | oops | Sep 28 01:57 |
| XRevan86 | cubexyz: Those must be runlevels, yes. | Sep 28 01:57 |
| cubexyz | rcX.d I mean | Sep 28 01:58 |
| cubexyz | rc0.d through rc6.d | Sep 28 01:58 |
| XRevan86 | cubexyz: got ya :) | Sep 28 01:58 |
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| XRevan86 | And so, symlinks in there to scripts in init.d/ | Sep 28 01:58 |
| cubexyz | I'm definitely not saying slackware is the easiest distro to use | Sep 28 01:58 |
| cubexyz | I thought FC1 was more straightforward | Sep 28 01:59 |
| XRevan86 | cubexyz: It looks like a normal sysvinit, actually :) | Sep 28 01:59 |
| XRevan86 | From what I understood. | Sep 28 01:59 |
| cubexyz | none of the linux distros are really simple | Sep 28 02:00 |
| cubexyz | for simplicity there's Unix v5, v6 or v7 | Sep 28 02:01 |
| XRevan86 | cubexyz: Or heavy :) | Sep 28 02:01 |
| XRevan86 | Slackware is famous for throwing everything at one's drive by default. | Sep 28 02:01 |
| XRevan86 | And for that it is actually reasonable in Slackware :). | Sep 28 02:02 |
| XRevan86 | cubexyz: Really, try Alpine :) | Sep 28 02:02 |
| XRevan86 | It's definitely simpler than Void, and that's saying something. | Sep 28 02:03 |
| cubexyz | openbsd was very close to what I thought was ideal | Sep 28 02:03 |
| XRevan86 | cubexyz: I didn't try it. But I heard it's well-designed. | Sep 28 02:04 |
| XRevan86 | Haven't seen anyone sane sticking with it though. | Sep 28 02:04 |
| cubexyz | this box is a permanent openbsd box | Sep 28 02:04 |
| XRevan86 | Driver issues probably. | Sep 28 02:04 |
| XRevan86 | cubexyz: Well, okay, you :). | Sep 28 02:05 |
| cubexyz | XRevan86, some ISPs are running BSD, usually freebsd | Sep 28 02:06 |
| cubexyz | surely you know people who use freebsd | Sep 28 02:06 |
| XRevan86 | cubexyz: ISPs don't have to deal with WiFi %). | Sep 28 02:06 |
| XRevan86 | cubexyz: Not really. | Sep 28 02:06 |
| XRevan86 | FreeBSD used to be big in ex-USSR, but it faded almost to nonexistence. | Sep 28 02:07 |
| XRevan86 | Yandex was a famous company for using FreeBSD | Sep 28 02:07 |
| cubexyz | Yandex also helps us for older openbsd packages | Sep 28 02:07 |
| XRevan86 | but few years ago they moved to Debian | Sep 28 02:07 |
| cubexyz | it keeps my openbsd 4.7 working | Sep 28 02:08 |
| XRevan86 | A Ukrainian friend of mine for recently motivated to set up a VPN :). | Sep 28 02:09 |
| XRevan86 | Because of RF Internet companies blocking in the country. | Sep 28 02:09 |
| cubexyz | I've been installing mint for linux newbies | Sep 28 02:09 |
| cubexyz | can't get too philosophical with newbies :) | Sep 28 02:10 |
| cubexyz | but slackware has some important derivatives... | Sep 28 02:11 |
| cubexyz | http://www.maxhost.org/other/slack-importance.txt | Sep 28 02:12 |
| XRevan86 | cubexyz: Makes sense :). I just run away from newbies, I'm terribe for the movement %). | Sep 28 02:12 |
| XRevan86 | terrible* | Sep 28 02:12 |
| cubexyz | nothing compares to basic linux 3.5 for low memory use | Sep 28 02:13 |
| cubexyz | if you have an old clunker with 16 megs, that's the only thing that will run | Sep 28 02:14 |
| XRevan86 | cubexyz: I keep getting back to Alpine in my head when I see "Good for older computers", et cetera | Sep 28 02:14 |
| XRevan86 | cubexyz: Alpine needs 8M to be set up without the kernel. | Sep 28 02:16 |
| XRevan86 | https://www.alpinelinux.org/about/ | Sep 28 02:16 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.alpinelinux.org | about | Alpine Linux | Sep 28 02:16 | |
| XRevan86 | > A container requires no more than 8 MB and a minimal installation to disc requires around 130 MB of storage. | Sep 28 02:16 |
| cubexyz | yes, it seems promising | Sep 28 02:17 |
| cubexyz | BL3 is very old | Sep 28 02:17 |
| cubexyz | BL3 is mainly for getting a very old laptop to work or something like that | Sep 28 02:17 |
| XRevan86 | > Binary packages are thinned out and split, giving you even more control over what you install, which in turn keeps your environment as small and efficient as possible. | Sep 28 02:17 |
| XRevan86 | That's something Slackware definitely doesn't do. | Sep 28 02:17 |
| cubexyz | If I nuke the intel duo core box, I'll try alpine | Sep 28 02:18 |
| XRevan86 | cubexyz: Your input on it will be very interesting :). | Sep 28 02:19 |
| cubexyz | a trinity distro would be nice also | Sep 28 02:19 |
| cubexyz | q4OS or exe gnu/linux | Sep 28 02:20 |
| XRevan86 | cubexyz: Qt3, meh. | Sep 28 02:20 |
| XRevan86 | It's pretty messy, appearance-wise | Sep 28 02:20 |
| cubexyz | the old 3.5.10 konsole was awesome | Sep 28 02:20 |
| cubexyz | I still use it on vector | Sep 28 02:20 |
| cubexyz | the other possibility is void linux | Sep 28 02:21 |
| cubexyz | but Alpine is definitely a good choice because of musl libc | Sep 28 02:22 |
| cubexyz | looks like they tried hard to make it small and efficient | Sep 28 02:22 |
| cubexyz | at least on edge branch | Sep 28 02:23 |
| XRevan86 | cubexyz: Yep | Sep 28 02:24 |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines https://twitter.com/Cranstonsoftwar/status/913196021575974913 | Sep 28 02:24 |
| TweetTuxMachines | retweeted by Leftovers: Kernel, Graphics, and #ManjaroDeepin 17.0.5 | Sep 28 02:24 |
| TweetTuxMachines | @Cranstonsoftwar https://t.co/3y3567IqAZ (www.tuxmachines.org) #linux | Sep 28 02:24 |
| TweetTuxMachines | #graphics #kernel | Sep 28 02:24 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Leftovers: Kernel, Graphics, and Manjaro Deepin 17.0.5 | Tux Machines | Sep 28 02:24 | |
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| XRevan86 | It's also widely used as a basis for containers (like Docker), because it's the least fat option. | Sep 28 02:24 |
| XRevan86 | To make the container as small as possible. | Sep 28 02:25 |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines https://twitter.com/victorRuivoBR/status/913213334996078592 | Sep 28 02:26 |
| TweetTuxMachines | retweeted by Links 27/9/2017: Birthday of GNU https://t.co/75OhiJyXrH | Sep 28 02:26 |
| TweetTuxMachines | @victorRuivoBR (techrights.org) | Sep 28 02:26 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Sep 28 02:26 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Links 27/9/2017: Birthday of GNU | Techrights | Sep 28 02:26 | |
| *TweetTuxMachines @victorRuivoBR favourited 'Links 27/9/2017: Birthday of GNU https://t.co/75OhiJyXrH' | Sep 28 02:26 | |
| *TweetTuxMachines @victorRuivoBR favourited 'today's howtos https://t.co/XKcFssqSHh #howto #gnu #linux #unix' | Sep 28 02:26 | |
| *TweetTuxMachines @victorRuivoBR favourited 'OSS: Oath, #TODO, Free and Open Source Software...' | Sep 28 02:26 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | today's howtos | Tux Machines | Sep 28 02:26 | |
| *TweetTuxMachines @victorRuivoBR favourited '#RedHat and #Fedora: Red Hat launches Open Innovation...' | Sep 28 02:26 | |
| cubexyz | I actually have a P4 box sitting around doing nothing | Sep 28 02:29 |
| cubexyz | so I'll try apline on it | Sep 28 02:29 |
| XRevan86 | cubexyz: Pentium 4 | Sep 28 02:33 |
| XRevan86 | ? | Sep 28 02:33 |
| cubexyz | yes | Sep 28 02:33 |
| DaemonFC | cubexyz, KDE 3.5.10 is still an option on openSUSE. | Sep 28 03:22 |
| DaemonFC | They keep it patched up well enough to work. | Sep 28 03:22 |
| DaemonFC | https://en.opensuse.org/KDE3 | Sep 28 03:23 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-en.opensuse.org | KDE3 - openSUSE | Sep 28 03:23 | |
| cubexyz | huh, surprising | Sep 28 03:23 |
| DaemonFC | The system requirements shouldn't be too high for that. | Sep 28 03:24 |
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| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines https://twitter.com/victorRuivoBR/status/913213354449219584 | Sep 28 04:37 |
| TweetTuxMachines | retweeted by OSS: Oath, #TODO, Free and Open Source Software History, | Sep 28 04:37 |
| TweetTuxMachines | @victorRuivoBR #Bossies 2017, #Seahorse and #APIStrat | Sep 28 04:37 |
| TweetTuxMachines | https://t.co/hDY8NMJUvx (www.tuxmachines.org) | Sep 28 04:37 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | OSS: Oath, TODO, Free and Open Source Software History, Bossies 2017, Seahorse and APIStrat | Tux Machines | Sep 28 04:37 | |
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| MinceR | https://imgur.com/gallery/zjOma | Sep 28 06:27 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Mother and child - Album on Imgur | Sep 28 06:27 | |
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| DaemonFC | Fuck. | Sep 28 06:48 |
| DaemonFC | I just got more DMCA notices from Comcast. | Sep 28 06:48 |
| DaemonFC | I'm getting a VPN. | Sep 28 06:49 |
| r_schestowitz | dmca? | Sep 28 07:12 |
| r_schestowitz | DaemonFC: I mean, technically or legally speaking | Sep 28 07:20 |
| r_schestowitz | dmca would be used or directed at another level | Sep 28 07:21 |
| r_schestowitz | Comcast issued perhaps something else | Sep 28 07:21 |
| r_schestowitz | unless you violated comcast (c) | Sep 28 07:21 |
| r_schestowitz | by hosting some files from your home pc | Sep 28 07:21 |
| MinceR | https://i.imgur.com/UtWwSJI.gif | Sep 28 07:23 |
| DaemonFC | r_schestowitz, Yeah, I'm setting up Private Internet Access. | Sep 28 07:25 |
| DaemonFC | Fuck Comcast. | Sep 28 07:25 |
| r_schestowitz | go for it | Sep 28 07:27 |
| r_schestowitz | I always use a VPN | Sep 28 07:27 |
| r_schestowitz | wife does too | Sep 28 07:27 |
| r_schestowitz | work VPN | Sep 28 07:27 |
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| DaemonFC | r_schestowitz, It's set up now | Sep 28 07:38 |
| DaemonFC | I got 24 DMCA notices in one go and then a threatening letter from Comcast. | Sep 28 07:38 |
| DaemonFC | So now there won't be anymore of that. | Sep 28 07:38 |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines https://twitter.com/tuxmachines/status/913292601876451328 | Sep 28 07:44 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Android Leftovers https://t.co/f7SfbUQRAA | Sep 28 07:44 |
| TweetTuxMachines | (www.tuxmachines.org) #android #linux #google | Sep 28 07:44 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Sep 28 07:44 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Android Leftovers | Tux Machines | Sep 28 07:44 | |
| r_schestowitz | DaemonFC: privateinternetaccess? | Sep 28 07:45 |
| r_schestowitz | That's the Swedish one? | Sep 28 07:45 |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines https://twitter.com/tuxmachines/status/913293191373316096 | Sep 28 07:45 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Ubuntu Is Dropping 32-Bit Images, But the Rest of the | Sep 28 07:45 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Flavors Will Keep Them https://t.co/ONNoALcFbn | Sep 28 07:45 |
| TweetTuxMachines | (www.tuxmachines.org) #ubuntu #gnu #linux | Sep 28 07:45 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Ubuntu Is Dropping 32-Bit Images, But the Rest of the Flavors Will Keep Them | Tux Machines | Sep 28 07:45 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | Sep 28 07:45 | |
| DaemonFC | It's the one that sponsors freenode. | Sep 28 07:46 |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines https://twitter.com/tuxmachines/status/913293790856785922 | Sep 28 07:49 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Neon: the naked KDE https://t.co/5AorXfbIZm | Sep 28 07:49 |
| TweetTuxMachines | (www.tuxmachines.org) #plasma #kde #neon #gnu #linux | Sep 28 07:49 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Sep 28 07:49 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Neon: the naked KDE | Tux Machines | Sep 28 07:49 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines https://twitter.com/tuxmachines/status/913294450943758336 | Sep 28 07:53 |
| TweetTuxMachines | 4 features that make GNOME 3.26 worth the switch | Sep 28 07:53 |
| TweetTuxMachines | https://t.co/EH5SwmyPxy (www.tuxmachines.org) #gnome #gnu | Sep 28 07:53 |
| TweetTuxMachines | #linux | Sep 28 07:53 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Sep 28 07:53 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | 4 features that make GNOME 3.26 worth the switch | Tux Machines | Sep 28 07:53 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines https://twitter.com/tuxmachines/status/913295400014110721 | Sep 28 07:55 |
| TweetTuxMachines | In pursuit of Purism | Sep 28 07:55 |
| TweetTuxMachines | https://t.co/maEhpF3WUX (www.tuxmachines.org) #interview | Sep 28 07:55 |
| TweetTuxMachines | #purism #librem #gnu #linux | Sep 28 07:55 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Sep 28 07:55 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | In pursuit of Purism | Tux Machines | Sep 28 07:55 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines https://twitter.com/tuxmachines/status/913296032812777472 | Sep 28 07:57 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Android Leftovers https://t.co/bzgYQAbFKy | Sep 28 07:57 |
| TweetTuxMachines | (www.tuxmachines.org) #android #linux #google | Sep 28 07:57 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Android Leftovers | Tux Machines | Sep 28 07:57 | |
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| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines https://twitter.com/Pyrokitteh/status/913296583520858113 | Sep 28 07:59 |
| TweetTuxMachines | retweeted by Android Leftovers https://t.co/f7SfbUQRAA | Sep 28 07:59 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Android Leftovers | Tux Machines | Sep 28 07:59 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @Pyrokitteh (www.tuxmachines.org) #android #linux #google | Sep 28 07:59 |
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| DaemonFC | Okay, apparently the Chicago and Silicon Valley servers don't do bittorrent too well, but the Texas one does. | Sep 28 08:21 |
| *DaemonFC sets Texas to Connect Automatically. | Sep 28 08:21 | |
| r_schestowitz | what a waste of energy | Sep 28 08:25 |
| r_schestowitz | relays | Sep 28 08:25 |
| r_schestowitz | human kind. We do lots of stupid things. | Sep 28 08:25 |
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| r_schestowitz | just now: https://www.gamingonlinux.com/articles/game-developer-atlus-issues-a-dmca-takedown-against-open-source-ps3-emulator.10426 | Sep 28 08:28 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Game developer 'Atlus' issues a DMCA takedown against open source PS3 emulator | GamingOnLinux | Sep 28 08:28 | |
| DaemonFC | r_schestowitz, Comcase says they "reserve the right" to treat anyone as a "repeat offender" regardless of how many notices they get or why. | Sep 28 08:29 |
| DaemonFC | If they suspend your account, you lose access to everything for 180 day and then you have to call them and grovel to get your account back. | Sep 28 08:29 |
| cubexyz | comcast sux | Sep 28 08:35 |
| cubexyz | a community ISP would never treat people like that | Sep 28 08:38 |
| cubexyz | on the other side of the coin people shouldn't be pirating 24/7 | Sep 28 08:38 |
| cubexyz | of course avoid CBS all-access (since it sucks) | Sep 28 08:39 |
| DaemonFC | People wouldn't be pirating if there was one place to watch all their shows. | Sep 28 08:41 |
| DaemonFC | They intentionally cripple Hulu and Netflix and then others try to sell their own. | Sep 28 08:42 |
| DaemonFC | It's like having cable again only worse. | Sep 28 08:42 |
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| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/913313545328250880 | Sep 28 09:05 |
| TweetTuxMachines | retweeted by Android Leftovers https://t.co/bzgYQAbFKy | Sep 28 09:05 |
| TweetTuxMachines | @schestowitz (www.tuxmachines.org) #android #linux #google | Sep 28 09:05 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Sep 28 09:05 | |
| *TweetTuxMachines @softpedialinux favourited 'Ubuntu Is Dropping 32-Bit Images, But the Rest...' | Sep 28 09:07 | |
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| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/913314235727282182 | Sep 28 09:10 |
| TweetTuxMachines | retweeted by In pursuit of Purism | Sep 28 09:10 |
| TweetTuxMachines | @schestowitz https://t.co/maEhpF3WUX (www.tuxmachines.org) #interview | Sep 28 09:10 |
| TweetTuxMachines | #purism #librem #gnu #linux | Sep 28 09:10 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | In pursuit of Purism | Tux Machines | Sep 28 09:10 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | Sep 28 09:10 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/913314907390693376 | Sep 28 09:11 |
| TweetTuxMachines | retweeted by 4 features that make GNOME 3.26 worth the switch | Sep 28 09:11 |
| TweetTuxMachines | @schestowitz https://t.co/EH5SwmyPxy (www.tuxmachines.org) #gnome #gnu | Sep 28 09:11 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | 4 features that make GNOME 3.26 worth the switch | Tux Machines | Sep 28 09:11 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | #linux | Sep 28 09:11 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Sep 28 09:11 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @schestowitz https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/913315293019205632 | Sep 28 09:14 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Apparently @tuxmachines is now #shadowbanned for about 5 | Sep 28 09:14 |
| TweetTuxMachines | days | Sep 28 09:14 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Twitter: what do you want? | Sep 28 09:14 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Me: stop #censorship | Sep 28 09:14 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Tw': have more censored chars | Sep 28 09:14 |
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| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/913315982126473216 | Sep 28 09:20 |
| TweetTuxMachines | retweeted by Neon: the naked KDE https://t.co/5AorXfbIZm | Sep 28 09:20 |
| TweetTuxMachines | @schestowitz (www.tuxmachines.org) #plasma #kde #neon #gnu #linux | Sep 28 09:20 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Neon: the naked KDE | Tux Machines | Sep 28 09:20 | |
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| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/913317368134295552 | Sep 28 09:25 |
| TweetTuxMachines | retweeted by Ubuntu Is Dropping 32-Bit Images, But the Rest of the | Sep 28 09:25 |
| TweetTuxMachines | @schestowitz Flavors Will Keep Them https://t.co/ONNoALcFbn | Sep 28 09:25 |
| TweetTuxMachines | (www.tuxmachines.org) #ubuntu #gnu #linux | Sep 28 09:25 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Ubuntu Is Dropping 32-Bit Images, But the Rest of the Flavors Will Keep Them | Tux Machines | Sep 28 09:25 | |
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| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/913318651713003520 | Sep 28 10:10 |
| TweetTuxMachines | retweeted by Android Leftovers https://t.co/f7SfbUQRAA | Sep 28 10:10 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Android Leftovers | Tux Machines | Sep 28 10:10 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @schestowitz (www.tuxmachines.org) #android #linux #google | Sep 28 10:10 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Sep 28 10:10 | |
| r_schestowitz | >>> Bryan Lunduke is trying to crowdsource funding to join the W3C. His | Sep 28 10:35 |
| r_schestowitz | >>> membership has tentatively been approved pending payment in full. | Sep 28 10:35 |
| r_schestowitz | >> Didn't see it. | Sep 28 10:35 |
| r_schestowitz | >> | Sep 28 10:35 |
| r_schestowitz | >> Can't judge. | Sep 28 10:35 |
| r_schestowitz | >> | Sep 28 10:35 |
| r_schestowitz | >> But on the surface... | Sep 28 10:35 |
| r_schestowitz | >> | Sep 28 10:35 |
| r_schestowitz | >> A self-promotional stunt that would accomplish nothing as he has little | Sep 28 10:35 |
| r_schestowitz | >> industry clout (he doesn't make his own browser). | Sep 28 10:35 |
| r_schestowitz | > A stunt but not necessarily self-promotional. He is actually concerned | Sep 28 10:35 |
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| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines https://twitter.com/tuxmachines/status/913341333724712960 | Sep 28 11:00 |
| TweetTuxMachines | #Knoppix 8.1 Now Available For A Retro Linux Experience | Sep 28 11:00 |
| TweetTuxMachines | In 2017 https://t.co/uVWWrtAkT8 (www.tuxmachines.org) | Sep 28 11:00 |
| TweetTuxMachines | #debian #gnu #linux #de #germany | Sep 28 11:00 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Sep 28 11:00 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Knoppix 8.1 Now Available For A Retro Linux Experience In 2017 | Tux Machines | Sep 28 11:00 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines https://twitter.com/tuxmachines/status/913342583430098944 | Sep 28 11:06 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Games: Unity (Mono), Time Recoil, Pankapu, Wild Terra, | Sep 28 11:06 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Citadale: The Legends Trilogy, Space Pirates And Zombies | Sep 28 11:06 |
| TweetTuxMachines | 2 | Sep 28 11:06 |
| TweetTuxMachines | https://t.co/VXGroXZMMY (www.tuxmachines.org) | Sep 28 11:06 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Games: Unity (Mono), Time Recoil, Pankapu, Wild Terra, Citadale: The Legends Trilogy, Space Pirates And Zombies 2 | Tux Machines | Sep 28 11:07 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines https://twitter.com/tuxmachines/status/913344237646868480 | Sep 28 11:10 |
| TweetTuxMachines | #RedHat in #Singapore and Defections From #VMware | Sep 28 11:10 |
| TweetTuxMachines | https://t.co/5Hf0QVy2Kw (www.tuxmachines.org) #gnu #linux | Sep 28 11:10 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Red Hat in Singapore and Defections From VMware | Tux Machines | Sep 28 11:10 | |
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| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines https://twitter.com/tuxmachines/status/913345108858335233 | Sep 28 11:12 |
| TweetTuxMachines | #Security: "Bad Microsoft", #Deloitte, Ransom, #Equifax, | Sep 28 11:12 |
| TweetTuxMachines | #Linux and #PhishFortheFuture | Sep 28 11:12 |
| TweetTuxMachines | https://t.co/0MDKT7dkps (www.tuxmachines.org) | Sep 28 11:12 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Security: "Bad Microsoft", Deloitte, Ransom, Equifax, Linux and Phish For the Future | Tux Machines | Sep 28 11:12 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | Sep 28 11:12 | |
| *TweetTuxMachines @schestowitz retweeted @tuxmachines: '#Security: "Bad Microsoft", #Deloitte, Ransom, #Equifax, #Linux and...' | Sep 28 11:23 | |
| *TweetTuxMachines @schestowitz retweeted @tuxmachines: '#RedHat in #Singapore and Defections From #VMware ...' | Sep 28 11:27 | |
| *TweetTuxMachines @schestowitz retweeted @tuxmachines: 'Games: Unity (Mono), Time Recoil, Pankapu, Wild Terra,...' | Sep 28 11:30 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/913350305408012288 | Sep 28 11:37 |
| TweetTuxMachines | retweeted by #Knoppix 8.1 Now Available For A Retro Linux Experience | Sep 28 11:37 |
| TweetTuxMachines | @schestowitz In 2017 https://t.co/uVWWrtAkT8 (www.tuxmachines.org) | Sep 28 11:37 |
| TweetTuxMachines | #debian #gnu #linux #de #germany | Sep 28 11:37 |
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| *TweetTuxMachines @glynmoody retweeted @tuxmachines: '#Knoppix 8.1 Now Available For A Retro Linux...' | Sep 28 11:55 | |
| *TweetTuxMachines @carocarocjdl favourited '#RedHat in #Singapore and Defections From #VMware ...' | Sep 28 11:55 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines https://twitter.com/tuxmachines/status/913356662668496900 | Sep 28 11:58 |
| TweetTuxMachines | #Eolie Web Browser for #GNOME - The Simplest Web Browser | Sep 28 11:58 |
| TweetTuxMachines | https://t.co/glmTWrhez7 (www.tuxmachines.org) | Sep 28 11:58 |
| TweetTuxMachines | #gnu #linux | Sep 28 11:58 |
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| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines https://twitter.com/tuxmachines/status/913356948220899328 | Sep 28 11:58 |
| TweetTuxMachines | 9 open source license management rules for startups | Sep 28 11:58 |
| TweetTuxMachines | https://t.co/567nEA72WR (www.tuxmachines.org) | Sep 28 11:58 |
| TweetTuxMachines | #freesw #licensing | Sep 28 11:58 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Eolie Web Browser for GNOME - The Simplest Web Browser | Tux Machines | Sep 28 11:58 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | 9 open source license management rules for startups | Tux Machines | Sep 28 11:59 | |
| *TweetTuxMachines @schestowitz retweeted @tuxmachines: '9 open source license management rules for startups...' | Sep 28 12:02 | |
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| TweetTuxMachines | retweeted by #Eolie Web Browser for #GNOME - The Simplest Web Browser | Sep 28 12:36 |
| TweetTuxMachines | @schestowitz https://t.co/glmTWrhez7 (www.tuxmachines.org) | Sep 28 12:36 |
| TweetTuxMachines | #gnu #linux | Sep 28 12:36 |
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| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines https://twitter.com/tuxmachines/status/913367515979542528 | Sep 28 12:45 |
| TweetTuxMachines | #Krita 3.3.0 | Sep 28 12:45 |
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| TweetTuxMachines | #qt #kde #freesw | Sep 28 12:45 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Krita 3.3.0 | Tux Machines | Sep 28 12:45 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines https://twitter.com/tuxmachines/status/913368969574277120 | Sep 28 12:50 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Best Linux Distros for the Enterprise | Sep 28 12:50 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Best Linux Distros for the Enterprise | Tux Machines | Sep 28 12:50 | |
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| *TweetTuxMachines @schestowitz retweeted @tuxmachines: '#Krita 3.3.0 https://t.co/BK7u9Wk1UO #qt #kde #freesw...' | Sep 28 13:02 | |
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| TweetTuxMachines | #Kernel: #Clang, 2017 Linux Plumbers Conference, and | Sep 28 13:54 |
| TweetTuxMachines | #Mesa Building | Sep 28 13:54 |
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| *TweetTuxMachines @MariusNestor favourited 'Ubuntu Is Dropping 32-Bit Images, But the Rest...' | Sep 28 13:55 | |
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| TweetTuxMachines | #RedHat, #SAP, and #Databases | Sep 28 13:57 |
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| MinceR | > for #GNOME | Sep 28 13:57 |
| MinceR | no thanks | Sep 28 13:57 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Red Hat, SAP, and Databases | Tux Machines | Sep 28 13:57 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines https://twitter.com/tuxmachines/status/913387070609125376 | Sep 28 13:59 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Devices: #Gonimo, Building an #ARM64 Laptop, and More | Sep 28 13:59 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Devices: Gonimo, Building an ARM64 Laptop, and More | Tux Machines | Sep 28 13:59 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines https://twitter.com/tuxmachines/status/913387469969805312 | Sep 28 14:12 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Mozilla's New Browser Release and Opera 48 | Sep 28 14:12 |
| TweetTuxMachines | https://t.co/e4HWRM5lBX (www.tuxmachines.org) #mozilla | Sep 28 14:12 |
| TweetTuxMachines | #firefox #opera #www | Sep 28 14:12 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Mozilla's New Browser Release and Opera 48 | Tux Machines | Sep 28 14:12 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines https://twitter.com/tuxmachines/status/913390942601859072 | Sep 28 14:13 |
| TweetTuxMachines | OSS: Big Data, Yahoo, GZOSP, OpenDaylight, US Government, | Sep 28 14:13 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Facebook's New GraphQL License and Theo de Raadt's Talk | Sep 28 14:13 |
| TweetTuxMachines | https://t.co/TpQfPAfb6e (www.tuxmachines.org) | Sep 28 14:13 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | OSS: Big Data, Yahoo, GZOSP, OpenDaylight, US Government, Facebook's New GraphQL License and Theo de Raadt's Talk | Tux Machines | Sep 28 14:13 | |
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| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines https://twitter.com/tuxmachines/status/913393087392747527 | Sep 28 14:29 |
| TweetTuxMachines | #Security: Patches and Unpatched Systems | Sep 28 14:29 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Security: Patches and Unpatched Systems | Tux Machines | Sep 28 14:29 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines https://twitter.com/tuxmachines/status/913395227238510592 | Sep 28 14:34 |
| TweetTuxMachines | today's howtos | Sep 28 14:34 |
| TweetTuxMachines | https://t.co/uGvH8GLskY (www.tuxmachines.org) #howto #gnu | Sep 28 14:34 |
| TweetTuxMachines | #linux #unix | Sep 28 14:34 |
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| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines https://twitter.com/tuxmachines/status/913396202355470337 | Sep 28 14:35 |
| TweetTuxMachines | #KDE: #Nextcloud, #Elisa, and #Plasma | Sep 28 14:35 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | today's howtos | Tux Machines | Sep 28 14:35 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | KDE: Nextcloud, Elisa, and Plasma | Tux Machines | Sep 28 14:35 | |
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| TweetTuxMachines | #Ubuntu: 32-bit, Paper Theme And Icons, HUD on Artful | Sep 28 14:42 |
| TweetTuxMachines | #MATE Beta, and #ULauncher | Sep 28 14:42 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Ubuntu: 32-bit, Paper Theme And Icons, HUD on Artful MATE Beta, and ULauncher | Tux Machines | Sep 28 14:43 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines https://twitter.com/tuxmachines/status/913398594992001027 | Sep 28 14:49 |
| TweetTuxMachines | #Games: #LastStitchGoodnight, #KharonsCrypt, and More | Sep 28 14:49 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Information About #Ataribox | Sep 28 14:49 |
| TweetTuxMachines | https://t.co/B9Yfo4Ya9s (www.tuxmachines.org) #gnu #linux | Sep 28 14:49 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Games: Last Stitch Goodnight, Kharon's Crypt, and More Information About Ataribox | Tux Machines | Sep 28 14:49 | |
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| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/913400288710717440 | Sep 28 15:04 |
| TweetTuxMachines | retweeted by #Games: #LastStitchGoodnight, #KharonsCrypt, and More | Sep 28 15:04 |
| TweetTuxMachines | @schestowitz Information About #Ataribox | Sep 28 15:04 |
| TweetTuxMachines | https://t.co/B9Yfo4Ya9s (www.tuxmachines.org) #gnu #linux | Sep 28 15:04 |
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| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/913404079992393735 | Sep 28 15:11 |
| TweetTuxMachines | retweeted by #Ubuntu: 32-bit, Paper Theme And Icons, HUD on Artful | Sep 28 15:11 |
| TweetTuxMachines | @schestowitz #MATE Beta, and #ULauncher | Sep 28 15:11 |
| TweetTuxMachines | https://t.co/asU20m4ecw (www.tuxmachines.org) #gnu #linux | Sep 28 15:11 |
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| TweetTuxMachines | retweeted by #KDE: #Nextcloud, #Elisa, and #Plasma | Sep 28 15:21 |
| TweetTuxMachines | @schestowitz https://t.co/9yb8oreg5K (www.tuxmachines.org) | Sep 28 15:21 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | KDE: Nextcloud, Elisa, and Plasma | Tux Machines | Sep 28 15:21 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/913408178565591040 | Sep 28 15:26 |
| TweetTuxMachines | retweeted by today's howtos | Sep 28 15:26 |
| TweetTuxMachines | @schestowitz https://t.co/uGvH8GLskY (www.tuxmachines.org) #howto #gnu | Sep 28 15:26 |
| TweetTuxMachines | #linux #unix | Sep 28 15:26 |
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| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/913432338490634242 | Sep 28 17:08 |
| TweetTuxMachines | retweeted by Devices: #Gonimo, Building an #ARM64 Laptop, and More | Sep 28 17:08 |
| TweetTuxMachines | @schestowitz https://t.co/F56Ls2j1P3 (www.tuxmachines.org) #gnu #linux | Sep 28 17:08 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Devices: Gonimo, Building an ARM64 Laptop, and More | Tux Machines | Sep 28 17:08 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines https://twitter.com/tuxmachines/status/913440404225355777 | Sep 28 17:35 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Today and Yesterday in Techrights | Sep 28 17:35 |
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| TweetTuxMachines | retweeted by #RedHat, #SAP, and #Databases | Sep 28 17:40 |
| TweetTuxMachines | @schestowitz https://t.co/es1YS8PDVv (www.tuxmachines.org) #db #gnu | Sep 28 17:40 |
| TweetTuxMachines | #linux | Sep 28 17:40 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Red Hat, SAP, and Databases | Tux Machines | Sep 28 17:41 | |
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| TweetTuxMachines | retweeted by #Kernel: #Clang, 2017 Linux Plumbers Conference, and | Sep 28 17:55 |
| TweetTuxMachines | @schestowitz #Mesa Building | Sep 28 17:55 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Kernel: Clang, 2017 Linux Plumbers Conference, and Mesa Building | Tux Machines | Sep 28 17:55 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines https://twitter.com/tuxmachines/status/913446697505841152 | Sep 28 18:00 |
| TweetTuxMachines | #LibreOffice community celebrates 7th anniversary | Sep 28 18:00 |
| TweetTuxMachines | https://t.co/3WkkGp2jTB (www.tuxmachines.org) | Sep 28 18:00 |
| TweetTuxMachines | #tdf #odf #opendocument #freesw | Sep 28 18:00 |
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| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines https://twitter.com/tuxmachines/status/913447854219431936 | Sep 28 18:02 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Learning from Scratch: Kids Day at #OpenSourceSummit | Sep 28 18:02 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | LibreOffice community celebrates 7th anniversary | Tux Machines | Sep 28 18:03 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Learning from Scratch: Kids Day at Open Source Summit | Tux Machines | Sep 28 18:04 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines https://twitter.com/tuxmachines/status/913448507046014976 | Sep 28 18:05 |
| TweetTuxMachines | #ClearLinux Squeezes More Performance Out Of Intel's Core | Sep 28 18:05 |
| TweetTuxMachines | i9 7960X, 7980XE | Sep 28 18:05 |
| TweetTuxMachines | https://t.co/O7PzZyrk8c (www.tuxmachines.org) | Sep 28 18:05 |
| TweetTuxMachines | #intel #gnu #linux | Sep 28 18:05 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Clear Linux Squeezes More Performance Out Of Intel's Core i9 7960X, 7980XE | Tux Machines | Sep 28 18:05 | |
| *TweetTuxMachines @tuxmachines favourited '@wikileaks So did many other publishers, not only...' | Sep 28 18:05 | |
| *TweetTuxMachines @tuxmachines favourited '@wikileaks The rich people were winning the election...' | Sep 28 18:05 | |
| *TweetTuxMachines @tuxmachines favourited retweet 'RT @schestowitz: @wikileaks So did many other publishers,...' | Sep 28 18:05 | |
| *TweetTuxMachines @tuxmachines favourited retweet 'RT @schestowitz: @wikileaks The rich people were winning...' | Sep 28 18:09 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines https://twitter.com/tuxmachines/status/913450635542110208 | Sep 28 18:16 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Android Leftovers https://t.co/iFejzxl9SM | Sep 28 18:16 |
| TweetTuxMachines | (www.tuxmachines.org) #android #linux #google | Sep 28 18:17 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Android Leftovers | Tux Machines | Sep 28 18:17 | |
| gde33 | https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CZIINXhGDcs | Sep 28 18:22 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-David Graeber: "DEBT: The First 5,000 Years" | Talks at Google - YouTube | Sep 28 18:22 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/913452451130421254 | Sep 28 18:40 |
| TweetTuxMachines | retweeted by Android Leftovers https://t.co/iFejzxl9SM | Sep 28 18:40 |
| TweetTuxMachines | @schestowitz (www.tuxmachines.org) #android #linux #google | Sep 28 18:40 |
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| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/913458180767862789 | Sep 28 18:43 |
| TweetTuxMachines | retweeted by #ClearLinux Squeezes More Performance Out Of Intel's Core | Sep 28 18:43 |
| TweetTuxMachines | @schestowitz i9 7960X, 7980XE | Sep 28 18:43 |
| TweetTuxMachines | https://t.co/O7PzZyrk8c (www.tuxmachines.org) | Sep 28 18:43 |
| TweetTuxMachines | #intel #gnu #linux | Sep 28 18:43 |
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| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/913459118270304256 | Sep 28 18:48 |
| TweetTuxMachines | retweeted by Learning from Scratch: Kids Day at #OpenSourceSummit | Sep 28 18:48 |
| TweetTuxMachines | @schestowitz https://t.co/2sCDJDNXvy (www.tuxmachines.org) | Sep 28 18:48 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Learning from Scratch: Kids Day at Open Source Summit | Tux Machines | Sep 28 18:49 | |
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| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/913460453464068098 | Sep 28 18:51 |
| TweetTuxMachines | retweeted by #LibreOffice community celebrates 7th anniversary | Sep 28 18:51 |
| TweetTuxMachines | @schestowitz https://t.co/3WkkGp2jTB (www.tuxmachines.org) | Sep 28 18:51 |
| TweetTuxMachines | #tdf #odf #opendocument #freesw | Sep 28 18:51 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | LibreOffice community celebrates 7th anniversary | Tux Machines | Sep 28 18:52 | |
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| MinceR | > Date: What's your zodiac sign? Ted Cruz: *sweating* my what? | Sep 28 19:10 |
| schestowitz | I think I heard it before... | Sep 28 19:15 |
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| *TweetTuxMachines @tuxmachines favourited '@wikileaks Even Clinton tried; her team promoted this...' | Sep 28 19:41 | |
| *TweetTuxMachines @tuxmachines favourited retweet 'RT @schestowitz: @wikileaks Even Clinton tried; her team...' | Sep 28 19:41 | |
| *TweetTuxMachines @tuxmachines favourited '@wikileaks She certainly tried, as all voters did.' | Sep 28 19:41 | |
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| MinceR | https://imgur.com/gallery/n3UmPaS | Sep 28 20:51 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Physics: George Lucas Edition - GIF on Imgur | Sep 28 20:51 | |
| MinceR | https://imgur.com/gallery/mpbV6 | Sep 28 20:57 |
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| XRevan86 | DaemonFC: I told somebody about your thing with Comcast, and he told me to tell you about IP blacklists %). | Sep 28 21:15 |
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| XRevan86 | DaemonFC: And three links: https://github.com/walshie4/Ultimate-Blocklist https://giuliomac.wordpress.com/2014/02/19/best-blocklist-for-transmission/ https://iblocklist.com/ | Sep 28 21:15 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-GitHub - walshie4/Ultimate-Blocklist: A super blocklist made from the most popular ones on the web! | Sep 28 21:15 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-giuliomac.wordpress.com | Which is the best blocklist for Transmission? – GiulioMac | Sep 28 21:15 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.iblocklist.com | I-BlockList | Home | Sep 28 21:15 | |
| XRevan86 | blocklists* | Sep 28 21:15 |
| XRevan86 | (20:15:30) ***TweetTuxMachines got exception: Connect to userstream.twitter.com:443 [userstream.twitter.com/199.16.156.48] failed: Connection refused (Connection refused) ; reconnecting to Twitter... | Sep 28 21:17 |
| XRevan86 | heh | Sep 28 21:17 |
| schestowitz | yeah | Sep 28 21:17 |
| schestowitz | looking into it | Sep 28 21:18 |
| DaemonFC | XRevan86, Those don't work. | Sep 28 21:22 |
| DaemonFC | Well, they work, just not well enough to depend on alone. | Sep 28 21:23 |
| DaemonFC | There's other ways for them to get your IP address out of the swarm. | Sep 28 21:23 |
| DaemonFC | Also, those blocklists only block about 50-60% of the IP ranges used by monitoring companies and even then, only on ipv4. | Sep 28 21:23 |
| DaemonFC | PIA's SOCKSv5 proxy tunneling through PIA's VPN is what I'm currently doing. | Sep 28 21:24 |
| DaemonFC | THat way, if the VPN goes down, the torrent client is still using the proxy, and if that fails, all data transfer stops. | Sep 28 21:25 |
| DaemonFC | There is no kill switch feature using OpenVPN. That's only with their Windows and Mac apps. | Sep 28 21:25 |
| DaemonFC | schestowitz, I found something nice though. | Sep 28 21:25 |
| XRevan86 | DaemonFC: Oh. | Sep 28 21:26 |
| DaemonFC | You can use 5 devices at once, so I got their Android app and installed it on my phone. | Sep 28 21:26 |
| DaemonFC | It has the VPN but it also has an option to block ads, trackers, and spyware. | Sep 28 21:26 |
| DaemonFC | "MACE" | Sep 28 21:26 |
| DaemonFC | So nothing on my phone has ads anymore. | Sep 28 21:26 |
| DaemonFC | I can even use Chrome if I want to. | Sep 28 21:26 |
| XRevan86 | I simply use AdAway :) | Sep 28 21:26 |
| XRevan86 | and uBlock Origin on Firefox, of course | Sep 28 21:27 |
| DaemonFC | AdAway costs money too. | Sep 28 21:27 |
| DaemonFC | And you don't get the VPN with it. | Sep 28 21:27 |
| XRevan86 | DaemonFC: Wait, what? | Sep 28 21:27 |
| DaemonFC | It sets itself up AS a VPN, but that's just a trick to get around Android limitations and block ads. | Sep 28 21:27 |
| XRevan86 | DaemonFC: https://f-droid.org/packages/org.adaway | Sep 28 21:27 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-f-droid.org | AdAway | F-Droid - Free and Open Source Android App Repository | Sep 28 21:27 | |
| DaemonFC | The VPN tunnels you to localhost where the app removes the ads. | Sep 28 21:27 |
| XRevan86 | AdAway uses /system/etc/hosts | Sep 28 21:28 |
| XRevan86 | (unlike Blokada which uses a local VPN) | Sep 28 21:28 |
| DaemonFC | Huh. Maybe I was thinking about something else. | Sep 28 21:28 |
| DaemonFC | If AdAwa doesn't use local VPN then it must require a rooted phone. | Sep 28 21:28 |
| XRevan86 | DaemonFC: It does, yes. | Sep 28 21:28 |
| *TweetTuxMachines got exception: Unexpected end of ZLIB input stream ; reconnecting to Twitter... | Sep 28 21:29 | |
| *TweetTuxMachines got exception: Unexpected end of ZLIB input stream ; reconnecting to Twitter... | Sep 28 21:29 | |
| *TweetTuxMachines got exception: Connect to userstream.twitter.com:443 [userstream.twitter.com/199.16.156.81] failed: Connection refused (Connection refused) ; reconnecting to Twitter... | Sep 28 21:30 | |
| XRevan86 | I also have AFWall+ :). | Sep 28 21:30 |
| XRevan86 | So even on an application-basis I need root. | Sep 28 21:30 |
| *TweetTuxMachines got exception: Connect to userstream.twitter.com:443 [userstream.twitter.com/199.16.156.81] failed: Connection refused (Connection refused) ; reconnecting to Twitter... | Sep 28 21:30 | |
| *TweetTuxMachines got exception: Connect to userstream.twitter.com:443 [userstream.twitter.com/199.16.156.81] failed: Connection refused (Connection refused) ; reconnecting to Twitter... | Sep 28 21:30 | |
| XRevan86 | DaemonFC: Is it a problem? :) | Sep 28 21:31 |
| schestowitz | DaemonFC: cool | Sep 28 21:31 |
| XRevan86 | I actually would be extremely uncomfortable if an Internet provider did ad blocking for me. | Sep 28 21:32 |
| <--TweetTuxMachines has quit (Remote host closed the connection) | Sep 28 21:36 | |
| -->TweetTuxMachines (~squirtbot@172-97-144-146.cpe.distributel.net) has joined #techrights | Sep 28 21:37 | |
| DaemonFC | https://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=788306 | Sep 28 21:41 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-bugzilla.gnome.org | Bug 788306 – GNOME Control Center crashes when trying to use VPN settings menu. | Sep 28 21:41 | |
| MinceR | obviously, VPN settings are too complicated for the typical user | Sep 28 21:44 |
| MinceR | so this is a Good Thing and probably by design. | Sep 28 21:44 |
| DaemonFC | Comcast says that one action they can take is to put messages into your web browser demanding you call an 800 number about the DMCA letters. | Sep 28 21:44 |
| DaemonFC | That definitely sounds like a MITM attack if ever there was one. | Sep 28 21:44 |
| *TweetTuxMachines got exception: Unexpected end of ZLIB input stream ; reconnecting to Twitter... | Sep 28 21:44 | |
| MinceR | if you access the site via https, it indeed is one | Sep 28 21:45 |
| MinceR | if it's plain http, then it's just ordinary dickery | Sep 28 21:45 |
| MinceR | https://imgur.com/gallery/BVWHi4m | Sep 28 21:47 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-You have arrived at a neutral post. - GIF on Imgur | Sep 28 21:47 | |
| MinceR | https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-8-HdyhC4g90/VTp8MMgZ7GI/AAAAAAAADT0/KYndQswmXE8/w800-h800/FozzTexx_2015-%25CE%2599%25CE%25B1%25CE%25BD-12.png | Sep 28 21:48 |
| DaemonFC | MinceR, PIA makes major donations to GNOME. | Sep 28 21:52 |
| DaemonFC | I doubt they'd intentionally break it. | Sep 28 21:52 |
| schestowitz | MinceR: don't get it | Sep 28 21:52 |
| schestowitz | hint? | Sep 28 21:53 |
| DaemonFC | https://lwn.net/Articles/735022/ | Sep 28 21:54 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Linux 4.13.4 [LWN.net] | Sep 28 21:54 | |
| MinceR | schestowitz: Field-Effect Transistors, Boba Fett (Star Wars) | Sep 28 21:55 |
| schestowitz | meh | Sep 28 21:58 |
| schestowitz | star wars references.. | Sep 28 21:58 |
| DaemonFC | schestowitz, The biggest problem with the new star wars movies is that they violate Joseph Campbell's story structure. | Sep 28 22:00 |
| DaemonFC | They're not meant to have a beginning, middle, and end. There will never be an end as long as they keep making money. | Sep 28 22:01 |
| MinceR | so what? there's plenty of good serial media | Sep 28 22:01 |
| MinceR | tv series, novel series, webcomics | Sep 28 22:02 |
| DaemonFC | MinceR, The problem was that the first three were mostly good, told a story, and concluded it. | Sep 28 22:02 |
| DaemonFC | The prequels were terrible. | Sep 28 22:02 |
| MinceR | afaik that story wasn't original either | Sep 28 22:02 |
| MinceR | the prequels built the world further nicely | Sep 28 22:02 |
| DaemonFC | MinceR, Then there was the "Ouch, right in the childhood!" Special Editions. | Sep 28 22:02 |
| MinceR | :> | Sep 28 22:03 |
| DaemonFC | Which loaded up the first three with garbage. | Sep 28 22:03 |
| MinceR | and there were at least 2 great CGI cartoon series | Sep 28 22:03 |
| MinceR | well, one of them is probably still ongoing | Sep 28 22:03 |
| DaemonFC | MinceR, There was the Lucas Museum. He thought Chicago was going to be dumb enough to pay for his vanity project and ruin a protected beachfront area for it. | Sep 28 22:04 |
| DaemonFC | https://cgit.freedesktop.org/dbus/dbus/tree/NEWS?h=master | Sep 28 22:06 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-cgit.freedesktop.org | dbus/dbus - a lightweight ipc mechanism | Sep 28 22:06 | |
| DaemonFC | dbus 1.11.18 is out and Fedora packages are built. | Sep 28 22:07 |
| DaemonFC | "LSB-style init scripts for Red Hat and Slackware, and a non-LSB init | Sep 28 22:08 |
| DaemonFC | script for Cygwin, are no longer provided in the upstream dbus | Sep 28 22:08 |
| DaemonFC | source. We recommend that distributors who support non-systemd service | Sep 28 22:08 |
| DaemonFC | management should maintain their own init scripts or other service | Sep 28 22:08 |
| DaemonFC | manager integration as part of their downstream packaging, similar to | Sep 28 22:08 |
| DaemonFC | the way Debian distributes a Debian-specific LSB init script for dbus." | Sep 28 22:08 |
| DaemonFC | MinceR, The init scripts are being deleted now. | Sep 28 22:08 |
| MinceR | have fun, then | Sep 28 22:08 |
| DaemonFC | systemd doesn't use them. | Sep 28 22:08 |
| DaemonFC | That's why. | Sep 28 22:08 |
| MinceR | duh | Sep 28 22:09 |
| DaemonFC | "The systemd unit continues to be maintained as part of the upstream | Sep 28 22:09 |
| DaemonFC | dbus source, because it receives regular testing and maintenance." | Sep 28 22:09 |
| DaemonFC | Pretty sure that Devuan and the BSDs test and maintain the init scripts. | Sep 28 22:09 |
| MinceR | ratcrap likes to ignore that | Sep 28 22:11 |
| MinceR | it's easier to destroy unix-style things if they keep telling people they're unmaintained | Sep 28 22:11 |
| MinceR | (regardless of how much they actually need to be changed) | Sep 28 22:11 |
| DaemonFC | Not normally. | Sep 28 22:14 |
| DaemonFC | brb | Sep 28 22:14 |
| <--DaemonFC has quit (Remote host closed the connection) | Sep 28 22:14 | |
| oiaohm | MinceR: The systemd unit continues to be maintained as part of the upstream dbus source, because it receives regular testing and maintenance. << read the line carefully. | Sep 28 22:26 |
| oiaohm | MinceR: if you check the git history on the LSB init scripts you can see that they are not maintained. | Sep 28 22:27 |
| MinceR | oiaohm: http://i0.kym-cdn.com/photos/images/original/000/794/653/02e.png | Sep 28 22:27 |
| oiaohm | MinceR: exactly the problem. | Sep 28 22:28 |
| oiaohm | No one has cared about upstream instead being doing stuff down stream and now upstream is going o well since that is not getting updates and fixes you must not care about that lets delete it. | Sep 28 22:29 |
| MinceR | doesn't matter | Sep 28 22:29 |
| MinceR | they have commit access | Sep 28 22:29 |
| MinceR | they want to delete it | Sep 28 22:29 |
| MinceR | therefore they delete it | Sep 28 22:29 |
| MinceR | if they see it necessary, they come up with some bullshit excuse | Sep 28 22:30 |
| MinceR | and you defend whatever excuse they come up with | Sep 28 22:30 |
| MinceR | i don't care. i'll keep using a free unix as long as i can, or until something better shows up. | Sep 28 22:30 |
| MinceR | lendows is not better. | Sep 28 22:30 |
| oiaohm | Interesting point debian and slackware developers have commit access | Sep 28 22:30 |
| MinceR | lendows is the short of crippled, user-hostile, user-patronizing crap i switched OS-es to get away from. | Sep 28 22:31 |
| MinceR | and no amount of bullshitting will change that | Sep 28 22:31 |
| oiaohm | Number of parties still using sysvinit have commit access to dbus repo | Sep 28 22:31 |
| oiaohm | MinceR: reality here is you want to call what I am saying is bullshit when its the real problem. | Sep 28 22:32 |
| *MinceR yawns | Sep 28 22:32 | |
| MinceR | you're going in circles | Sep 28 22:32 |
| MinceR | talk to the hand. | Sep 28 22:33 |
| oiaohm | MinceR: no you want to presume that all the actions are wrong. | Sep 28 22:33 |
| oiaohm | MinceR: that is not always the case. | Sep 28 22:33 |
| oiaohm | This case git history and list of people with commit access tells a very nasty story. | Sep 28 22:34 |
| MinceR | doesn't matter | Sep 28 22:34 |
| MinceR | they want me to run lendows. i don't want to run lendows. i control my pc. | Sep 28 22:34 |
| oiaohm | The nasty story explains a lot of the issues. | Sep 28 22:34 |
| MinceR | therefore i get what i want and they don't get what they want. | Sep 28 22:34 |
| MinceR | suck it up. | Sep 28 22:34 |
| oiaohm | So if the people working on what you use not submit stuff upstream and then upstream no longer works for you are you happy with that. | Sep 28 22:35 |
| MinceR | they don't get to break it for me | Sep 28 22:35 |
| MinceR | https://imgur.com/gallery/NtIygxV | Sep 28 22:37 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-MRW my friends want to carpool - GIF on Imgur | Sep 28 22:37 | |
| oiaohm | In fact in time they do. | Sep 28 22:37 |
| oiaohm | MinceR: you think about it now not testing on sysvinit or like solutions means upstream can add more features dependent on items that don't exist in a system like that. | Sep 28 22:40 |
| MinceR | then they'll diverge their systemd/gnome/*kit bullshit from the stuff i use | Sep 28 22:40 |
| MinceR | i don't care | Sep 28 22:40 |
| MinceR | someone even found a less cancerous pdf reader for me to use | Sep 28 22:41 |
| MinceR | oiaohm: one way or another, the stuff redhat manages to make incompatible with unix will just become their own fork of what used to be GNU/Linux. | Sep 28 22:42 |
| oiaohm | Each vendors Unix was incompatible with each other so that is nothing new. | Sep 28 22:43 |
| oiaohm | MinceR: please do note that sysvinit was in fact incompatible with the proper Unix init https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Init | Sep 28 22:45 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-en.wikipedia.org | init - Wikipedia | Sep 28 22:45 | |
| oiaohm | So forked off Unix ages ago. | Sep 28 22:45 |
| MinceR | oiaohm: please do note that i don't particularly care what my init/rc is, as long as it's not designed to lock me in, and isn't worse in its design than sysvinit. | Sep 28 22:45 |
| MinceR | i don't run services designed by idiots like poettering that throw orphans and zombies around as if generating those were their main purpose | Sep 28 22:46 |
| MinceR | so i don't particularly need an incomplete cgroups to babysit my system. | Sep 28 22:46 |
| oiaohm | MinceR: to be correct I would say that there is a possibility that generating orphans and zombies could have been a main purpose at some point. Requirement to demo cgroup v1 defects. | Sep 28 22:49 |
| oiaohm | MinceR: I do like the defect of the cgroup v1 PID namespace where zombies would end up stacked on what ever number happened to be assigned pid 1 in the namespace then never cleaned up. | Sep 28 22:50 |
| MinceR | cgroup v1 functionality does not belong in a production system | Sep 28 22:54 |
| MinceR | since cgroup v1 is far from finished | Sep 28 22:54 |
| oiaohm | cgroup v2 is a different matter. | Sep 28 22:54 |
| oiaohm | But we would not have cgroup v2 if cgroup v1 was not demo as broken. | Sep 28 22:55 |
| MinceR | if the only place kernel developers can demonstrate and test their code is other people's production environments, then most of us would be better off if those "kernel developers" did not develop any code ever again | Sep 28 22:56 |
| MinceR | kernel or otherwise | Sep 28 22:56 |
| oiaohm | MinceR: so fairly get rid of all the developers of the Linux kernel. | Sep 28 22:57 |
| MinceR | well, if they suck that hard at their jobs, then yes. | Sep 28 22:58 |
| MinceR | they have enough fools who willingly and knowingly run cancerd in production; let those fools test that crap. | Sep 28 22:58 |
| schestowitz | Speaking from experience, raking 10s of millions of hits in October HRC leaks, many comments seemed to come from operatives. No shock here. | Sep 28 22:58 |
| schestowitz | oops | Sep 28 22:58 |
| schestowitz | wrong paste | Sep 28 22:58 |
| schestowitz | this: https://www.theregister.co.uk/2017/07/17/linux_4_13_rc1/ | Sep 28 22:58 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.theregister.co.uk | Linus Torvalds may have damned systemd with faint praise • The Register | Sep 28 22:58 | |
| oiaohm | schestowitz: that post asks a good question as well. | Sep 28 23:00 |
| oiaohm | Most people don't check out the sysvinit source of the PID 1 of sysvinit to see that it has references to selinux library. | Sep 28 23:00 |
| oiaohm | So over trusting the init system goes back to the year 2000. | Sep 28 23:01 |
| MinceR | hey, someone made a mistake writing software in 1960! let's deliberately break all software now! | Sep 28 23:02 |
| MinceR | https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/b/b6/Scottish_wildcat_%26_kitten.jpg | Sep 28 23:04 |
| oiaohm | MinceR: unix init systems like the BSD init system was always independent to OS security settings. | Sep 28 23:05 |
| oiaohm | MinceR: its the year 2000 we see that idea go by by. | Sep 28 23:05 |
| MinceR | oiaohm: the alleged "init system" you spare no expenses to advertise here fares no better. | Sep 28 23:07 |
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| oiaohm | MinceR: systemd did not come out a vacuum. upstart using ptrace and it being a complete nightmare. | Sep 28 23:11 |
| oiaohm | Like it or not change need to happen. | Sep 28 23:11 |
| MinceR | actually it did come out of a vacuum | Sep 28 23:11 |
| MinceR | it came out of the vacuum in poettering's head where neurons should be | Sep 28 23:12 |
| MinceR | it also came out of the vacuum in poettering's education where software engineering basics should be | Sep 28 23:12 |
| oiaohm | Linux kernel millions of lines of code lot of that don't follow software engineering basics. | Sep 28 23:13 |
| MinceR | and yes, upstart had a horrible design, but at least it managed to stick to init/rc functionality | Sep 28 23:13 |
| MinceR | most kernels around aren't multiserver microkernels | Sep 28 23:13 |
| MinceR | and one of them is being sacrificed by its developers on the altar of systemd | Sep 28 23:13 |
| MinceR | and yes, most unix kernels aren't multiserver microkernels | Sep 28 23:14 |
| MinceR | if multiserver microkernels are feasible and practical at all, they're still fiendishly difficult | Sep 28 23:14 |
| MinceR | and exclude some options that may yet be useful | Sep 28 23:15 |
| oiaohm | qnx has really been on of the most successful microkernels. | Sep 28 23:16 |
| MinceR | it was bought by blackberry, which has apparently turned into a patent troll | Sep 28 23:17 |
| MinceR | not my definition of a success story, but to each his own, i guess | Sep 28 23:17 |
| MinceR | (and their pc demo floppy was hilariously broken) | Sep 28 23:18 |
| MinceR | > Later versions of QNX reduce the number of separate processes and integrate the network stack and other function blocks into single applications for performance reasons. | Sep 28 23:19 |
| MinceR | not much of a multiserver system | Sep 28 23:19 |
| MinceR | https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/QNX | Sep 28 23:19 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-en.wikipedia.org | QNX - Wikipedia | Sep 28 23:19 | |
| MinceR | this is no HURD. | Sep 28 23:19 |
| cubexyz | is anyone here running HURD? | Sep 28 23:21 |
| MinceR | i mean, the HURD that was before they joined the cult of cancerd. | Sep 28 23:22 |
| MinceR | where they're going is going to be less robust than any unix system built on a monolithic kernel. | Sep 28 23:22 |
| MinceR | (even theoretically) | Sep 28 23:23 |
| cubexyz | ok, vector linux has it's own way of showing running services | Sep 28 23:25 |
| cubexyz | both in FC1 and vector there is a bash script that does it, pretty straightforward | Sep 28 23:26 |
| cubexyz | two different bash scripts though | Sep 28 23:26 |
| oiaohm | MinceR: for the most functional open source micro-kernel you don't go past Minix. HURD has a stupid idea of do everything to avoid crashing. | Sep 28 23:31 |
| oiaohm | MinceR: please note HURD had that stupid idea of do everything to avoid crashing from the first alpha. | Sep 28 23:32 |
| oiaohm | https://www.gnu.org/software/hurd/hurd-talk.html "the rest of the system is replaceable dynamically."<< That bit is what has made HURD a nightmare. | Sep 28 23:35 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.gnu.org | The Hurd, a presentation by Marcus Brinkmann | Sep 28 23:35 | |
| oiaohm | Most of the fast developing microkernels do have that if particular services crash take the complete OS down and restart. To take advantage of the microkernel design to log it well. | Sep 28 23:36 |
| oiaohm | cubexyz: I have tried to run HURD over the years and given up on it every single time. | Sep 28 23:39 |
| cubexyz | oiaohm, what was the problem? | Sep 28 23:40 |
| oiaohm | cubexyz: like a core service has a issue it crash and the microkernel core restarts it only to have it crash again. | Sep 28 23:41 |
| oiaohm | cubexyz: so Hurd you end up with nice never ending crash loops. | Sep 28 23:42 |
| oiaohm | cubexyz: then trying to work out where the problem started comes a complete nightmare. | Sep 28 23:42 |
| oiaohm | cubexyz: sometimes you just want the OS to die. | Sep 28 23:42 |
| cubexyz | yeah I can't think of anyone who uses HURD | Sep 28 23:45 |
| oiaohm | cubexyz: HURD problem is it too resistant to failure for it own good then it gets in the way of attempting to diagnose the problem. | Sep 28 23:46 |
| oiaohm | cubexyz: minux 3 and qnx are both sane past particular point of fialure they just cleanly admit defeat and fail. | Sep 28 23:46 |
| oiaohm | For most engineered micro-kernel that would go to sel4 but it does not have a proper made service set. | Sep 28 23:47 |
| cubexyz | evidently the whole rc.d script thing is a sysv thing | Sep 28 23:48 |
| oiaohm | rc.d thing predates sysv init | Sep 28 23:48 |
| cubexyz | so we still have the sysv/bsd schism | Sep 28 23:48 |
| oiaohm | Yep | Sep 28 23:49 |
| cubexyz | but then freebsd has rc.d and openbsd doesn't, it's confusing | Sep 28 23:49 |
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| cubexyz | let me check quasijarus... | Sep 28 23:50 |
| cubexyz | and netbsd has it too | Sep 28 23:51 |
| oiaohm | http://aplawrence.com/Basics/unix-startup-scripts-2.html a BSD init that is based off first generation unix init. are many times cleaner than sysvinit scripts. | Sep 28 23:52 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-aplawrence.com | Unix and Linux startup scripts, Part 2 | Sep 28 23:52 | |
| cubexyz | ok, quasijarus (4.3BSD) does not have rc.d | Sep 28 23:53 |
| oiaohm | I would guess it would have a rc instead. | Sep 28 23:54 |
| cubexyz | in fact it's not in bell labs unix either | Sep 28 23:55 |
| oiaohm | Really what bsd had done to there init system it would not be very much of a step to nuke shell script out the process. | Sep 28 23:55 |
| cubexyz | so maybe it's a system III thing? | Sep 28 23:56 |
| oiaohm | I could not give you were it appears. | Sep 28 23:56 |
| oiaohm | The reality is bsd branch has always been cleaner and shorter init files than the sysvinit init files. | Sep 28 23:57 |
| cubexyz | /etc/rc runs netstart and syslogd and a bunch of other things | Sep 28 23:57 |
| oiaohm | I never could work out why sysvinit made it way into Linux so much. It was never a good system. | Sep 28 23:57 |
| cubexyz | then at the end it runs /etc/rc.local | Sep 28 23:58 |
| cubexyz | and /etc/rc.d is not in system III | Sep 28 23:59 |
| cubexyz | people are imitative... | Sep 29 00:00 |
| cubexyz | they copy what they see, at least initially | Sep 29 00:00 |
| oiaohm | BSD init was the first to start using dependency tags inside the init files. | Sep 29 00:01 |
| oiaohm | Instead having to name file names correct and pray. | Sep 29 00:01 |
| oiaohm | I see no reason for sysvinit to stay alive. | Sep 29 00:01 |
| cubexyz | ok, no /etc/rc.d in sysv for PDP-11 | Sep 29 00:03 |
| cubexyz | so the mystery deepens | Sep 29 00:03 |
| oiaohm | cubexyz: its noted in the wikipedia that /etc/rc.d appears in bsd like with the introduction of rcorder in netbsd 1.5 that is year 2000. | Sep 29 00:06 |
| cubexyz | so it's a pretty modern development | Sep 29 00:06 |
| oiaohm | But it was in sysvinit before that. | Sep 29 00:07 |
| oiaohm | sysvinit depends on you naming your init files so they start in the right order. | Sep 29 00:07 |
| oiaohm | cubexyz: note in sysvinit as /etc/rc[num].d that does not appear on netbsd side as first. | Sep 29 00:08 |
| oiaohm | cubexyz: I would say that bsd looked at sysvinit and then design improve version. | Sep 29 00:09 |
| cubexyz | runlevels are a sysv thing | Sep 29 00:11 |
| cubexyz | so system v release 3 and after | Sep 29 00:12 |
| oiaohm | horrible mess of shell in init script due to poor template system is another sysv thing. | Sep 29 00:13 |
| cubexyz | all the corporations used sysv though | Sep 29 00:14 |
| cubexyz | IBM AIX, HP-UX and even solaris | Sep 29 00:15 |
| oiaohm | And all of them have been migrating off of it. | Sep 29 00:15 |
| cubexyz | I don't think there's anything really wrong with it | Sep 29 00:17 |
| cubexyz | as long as the sysadmin maintains it well | Sep 29 00:17 |
| oiaohm | Really its the 1 typo to stuffed problem | Sep 29 00:18 |
| cubexyz | you can argue sockets vs streams, and BSD tty vs sysv termio | Sep 29 00:19 |
| cubexyz | but really it's not that important | Sep 29 00:19 |
| oiaohm | cubexyz: sysadmin having to remember that X program comes before Y and type the right number as sysvinit requires becomes a problem source. | Sep 29 00:20 |
| oiaohm | cubexyz: and its avoid that has been why SMF in solaris and reorder in netbsd .... have been appearing. | Sep 29 00:20 |
| cubexyz | sure, it's a bit painful learning both sysv and bsd, but it's not that hard | Sep 29 00:21 |
| oiaohm | cubexyz: of course then remember admin looking after many sysv machines and having to cope with different service numbering on each. | Sep 29 00:22 |
| oiaohm | cubexyz: with dependency based ordering as netbsd demoed work the sysv init number system is just picking on the admin without really any good justification. | Sep 29 00:23 |
| cubexyz | in the old days there was NCR Unix, Xenix, and tons of other things | Sep 29 00:23 |
| oiaohm | Yes over time it has improved. | Sep 29 00:23 |
| cubexyz | so there was never one big unified Unix | Sep 29 00:23 |
| oiaohm | we got stuck in a rut with sysv init. | Sep 29 00:24 |
| cubexyz | IBM probably thinks AIX is the best way to do things | Sep 29 00:27 |
| cubexyz | but I have to say, I like how NetBSD tries hard to support older hardware | Sep 29 00:27 |
| cubexyz | but I got used to the FC1 way of running a server | Sep 29 00:28 |
| cubexyz | doesn't mean I'll always use it | Sep 29 00:28 |
| cubexyz | QNX used some NetBSD code | Sep 29 00:30 |
| cubexyz | so if you had some ancient 68K box, you could still use NetBSD on it | Sep 29 00:30 |
| cubexyz | Linux was generally the better desktop OS | Sep 29 00:33 |
| cubexyz | but if I was to do it all over again I'd probably run the server on openbsd | Sep 29 00:33 |
| cubexyz | text mode, no X11 | Sep 29 00:39 |
| cubexyz | there, then I'm not using sysv... | Sep 29 00:40 |
| cubexyz | I don't want new shiny Linux dumping IA-32 or something stupid like that | Sep 29 00:41 |
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| oiaohm | cubexyz: trying to get rid of 32 bit OS is about the 2038 problem. | Sep 29 01:01 |
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| cubexyz | oiaohm, evidently NetBSD uses 64-bit time_t for 32-bit architectures | Sep 29 01:53 |
| cubexyz | so the solution seems to just upgrade to newer NetBSD in that case | Sep 29 01:54 |
| cubexyz | since NetBSD 6.0 was released in 2012 | Sep 29 01:54 |
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| oiaohm | cubexyz: Linux kernel 32 bit mode is still 32 time_t yes for older hardware I am looking at the BSD for 32 bit becaue lock will work right after 2038. The x32 ABI in the Linux kernel has 64 bit time_t but requires a 64 bit processor. | Sep 29 02:12 |
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| DaemonFC | schestowitz, I set up PIA on John's laptop with the Windows program. | Sep 29 05:18 |
| DaemonFC | Comcast is creepy. I really would like to set it up on the router, but Netgear neutered the firmware. | Sep 29 05:19 |
| DaemonFC | So I have to do each device. | Sep 29 05:19 |
| DaemonFC | Heh, someone is still torrenting Mandriva Powerpack 2009. | Sep 29 05:25 |
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| MinceR | 29 003145 < oiaohm> MinceR: for the most functional open source micro-kernel you don't go past Minix. HURD has a stupid idea of do everything to avoid crashing. | Sep 29 06:08 |
| MinceR | afaik minix does practically everything in the server that's responsible for filesystems | Sep 29 06:09 |
| MinceR | 29 003619 < oiaohm> Most of the fast developing microkernels do have that if particular services crash take the complete OS down and restart. To take advantage of | Sep 29 06:09 |
| MinceR | the microkernel design to log it well. | Sep 29 06:09 |
| MinceR | then there's no point to those microkernels | Sep 29 06:09 |
| MinceR | a monolithic system could just reboot all the same | Sep 29 06:10 |
| DaemonFC | https://www.forbes.com/sites/scottmendelson/2017/09/26/why-cbs-is-right-to-make-audiences-pay-for-star-trek-discovery/#5c5c2b6b4e94 | Sep 29 06:12 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Forbes Welcome | Sep 29 06:12 | |
| DaemonFC | Of course it is. Because $10 a month for one show is the new thing apparently. | Sep 29 06:12 |
| DaemonFC | Eventually, all these greedy fucks will pull out of Netflix and Hulu and all want $10 a month for one good show. | Sep 29 06:13 |
| MinceR | i foresee them becoming very surprised when people choose to download those shows illegally instead | Sep 29 06:17 |
| DaemonFC | MinceR, That's where the newfound DMCA aggression is coming in. | Sep 29 06:28 |
| DaemonFC | You download one album and they send 16 DMCA notices. One for each file. | Sep 29 06:28 |
| MinceR | be glad they don't send more than one notice per file | Sep 29 06:29 |
| DaemonFC | They're trying to trigger ISPs like Comcast who obviously have some sort of automated rate limit to throw their customers off the internet. | Sep 29 06:29 |
| MinceR | since there's no punishment for frivolous DMCA notices | Sep 29 06:29 |
| MinceR | "land of the free", my ass | Sep 29 06:29 |
| DaemonFC | MinceR, There technically is, but Comcast doesn't comply with the part that lets you reply and make your case. | Sep 29 06:29 |
| DaemonFC | They just throw you off the internet. | Sep 29 06:29 |
| MinceR | and they get away with it | Sep 29 06:30 |
| MinceR | therefore there is none | Sep 29 06:30 |
| DaemonFC | Of course they do. They're big and rich and nobody will ever do anything to stop them. | Sep 29 06:30 |
| MinceR | a law that can't be enforced is as good as one that doesn't exist | Sep 29 06:30 |
| DaemonFC | MinceR, https://www.reddit.com/r/Comcast/comments/5x1i8o/how_many_dmca_warnings_for_torrenting_from/ | Sep 29 06:31 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.reddit.com | How many DMCA warnings for torrenting from Comcast does it take for me to lose my subscription with Comcast? I just got a DMCA warning for pirating The Witcher 3: Wild Hunt Game of the Year Edition on Vuze / The Pirate Bay. : Comcast | Sep 29 06:31 | |
| MinceR | it would be nice to have rule of law | Sep 29 06:31 |
| DaemonFC | According to a guy who used to work there, they don't do it much but they can. | Sep 29 06:31 |
| DaemonFC | If you're a drag on their network or generating so many that it's a "burden" to email them to you, they might. | Sep 29 06:32 |
| MinceR | yeah | Sep 29 06:32 |
| MinceR | be nice and just pay for the service, don't use it | Sep 29 06:32 |
| MinceR | is there any VPN service that costs as much as $10/month? | Sep 29 06:32 |
| DaemonFC | MinceR, Private Internet Access only billed me $39.95 for the whole year. | Sep 29 06:33 |
| DaemonFC | And they're a sponsor of lots of FOSS and Freenode. | Sep 29 06:33 |
| MinceR | sounds like dixiestan will have to copy russia's and red china's VPN ban :> | Sep 29 06:33 |
| DaemonFC | MinceR, Eventually you might have to pay in Bitcoins. | Sep 29 06:34 |
| DaemonFC | The US can shut off their access to Paypal and credit cards and stuff. | Sep 29 06:34 |
| DaemonFC | It wouldn't surprise me if they did. | Sep 29 06:35 |
| DaemonFC | The DMCA is basically an antique at this point. | Sep 29 06:35 |
| DaemonFC | Plus the government doesn't want you to have private web use. | Sep 29 06:36 |
| DaemonFC | They harass Tor developers and stuff. | Sep 29 06:36 |
| MinceR | do they also harass the United States Naval Research Laboratory? :> | Sep 29 06:37 |
| DaemonFC | MinceR, Bitter irony. | Sep 29 06:37 |
| DaemonFC | They promote onion routing as a way to fight oppressive regimes and it ends up becoming necessary for people here. | Sep 29 06:37 |
| MinceR | that's because trumpistan has become one of those "oppressive regimes" | Sep 29 06:38 |
| DaemonFC | Personally, I'd recommend using Tor inside a VPN. | Sep 29 06:38 |
| DaemonFC | That way if an unmasking attack succeeds, it only gets them your VPN provider's IP address. | Sep 29 06:38 |
| DaemonFC | MinceR, It has. And the fucking piece of shit basically blocked any aid from reaching Puerto Rico for a week. | Sep 29 06:39 |
| DaemonFC | He waited 7 days to send the USCG hospital ship and then 8 days to waive the Jones Act. | Sep 29 06:39 |
| DaemonFC | And he's doing nothing to the airlines who are charging $1,200 to get off the island. | Sep 29 06:40 |
| MinceR | "stop being poor!" | Sep 29 06:44 |
| MinceR | https://imgur.com/gallery/gu3LFuw | Sep 29 06:45 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Cuddle buddies - GIF on Imgur | Sep 29 06:45 | |
| DaemonFC | MinceR, There's a "Check my torrent IP address." by one of the other VPN providers. | Sep 29 06:45 |
| DaemonFC | It says I'm in the Netherlands, so my SOCKS5 proxy is working. | Sep 29 06:46 |
| DaemonFC | I decided to enable the VPN and then have Deluge use the SOCKS5 proxy as well. | Sep 29 06:46 |
| DaemonFC | They don't support the kill switch feature on Linux, so this way if the VPN goes down, I'm still using the proxy, and if the proxy goes down, the client just stops working. | Sep 29 06:47 |
| MinceR | :) | Sep 29 06:52 |
| DaemonFC | MinceR, The Trump government didn't bother with that NSL shit and "You can't talk about this.". | Sep 29 07:02 |
| DaemonFC | They went right in through the front door with a subpoena for over a million IP addresses that visited a Trump protest website. | Sep 29 07:02 |
| DaemonFC | It was a statement. | Sep 29 07:02 |
| DaemonFC | If it had been an actual crime investigation or Stasi-like bullshit, they would have used an NSL. | Sep 29 07:03 |
| DaemonFC | It was a spectacle. | Sep 29 07:03 |
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| DaemonFC | https://www.torrentlawyer.com/rightscorp-inc-settlement-notice/ | Sep 29 08:01 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.torrentlawyer.com | Rightscorp Inc. | All You Need To Know About Their DMCA Notices | Sep 29 08:01 | |
| DaemonFC | It seems they wait and see if you pay one and then a bunch more pop up in your inbox. | Sep 29 08:02 |
| DaemonFC | MinceR, This could explain why there are so many. They're shakedown letters and then Comcast strips them of all the settlement demands and forwards them. | Sep 29 08:02 |
| DaemonFC | They're on the New York Stock Exchange at 2 cents per share. | Sep 29 08:05 |
| DaemonFC | Down from an IPO of 29 cents per share 3 years ago. | Sep 29 08:05 |
| DaemonFC | I had read about them. They were burning through cash like crazy. | Sep 29 08:05 |
| DaemonFC | When ISPs started stripping the settlement demands and RightsCorp had to start going to court, their stock crashed. | Sep 29 08:05 |
| DaemonFC | I guess they're just not dead yet. | Sep 29 08:06 |
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| DaemonFC | https://www.techdirt.com/blog/?company=rightscorp | Sep 29 08:08 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Rightscorp stories at Techdirt. | Sep 29 08:08 | |
| DaemonFC | Techdirt follows them. | Sep 29 08:08 |
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| oiaohm | DaemonFC: https://stackoverflow.com/questions/33862969/system-proxy-settings-being-ignored-by-apps there is a little hole in your idea if you are not careful. | Sep 29 08:12 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-stackoverflow.com | windows - System Proxy Settings Being Ignored by Apps - Stack Overflow | Sep 29 08:12 | |
| oiaohm | DaemonFC: government malware of course attempt to make computer send packets as if on direct internet. So ignoring proxy settings and at times VPN settings. | Sep 29 08:13 |
| DaemonFC | oiaohm, I had heard people saying that utorrent ignores their proxy settings and leaks their IP address anyway. | Sep 29 08:17 |
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| cubexyz | couldn't you just encrypt your traffic? | Sep 29 09:01 |
| schestowitz | maybe it would hide content only | Sep 29 09:09 |
| schestowitz | not to/from IPs | Sep 29 09:09 |
| schestowitz | >>> Hi, Roy, | Sep 29 09:11 |
| schestowitz | >>> | Sep 29 09:11 |
| schestowitz | >>> Here's today's batch. | Sep 29 09:11 |
| schestowitz | >>> | Sep 29 09:11 |
| schestowitz | >>> There was also a ZDNet article I won't link to. They're still around | Sep 29 09:11 |
| schestowitz | >>> apparently. I feel bad for SJVN, it looks like he's still there, he | Sep 29 09:11 |
| schestowitz | >>> used to be on the ball but something happened just a few years ago. It | Sep 29 09:11 |
| schestowitz | >>> would be very interesting to know the backstory about that but that | Sep 29 09:11 |
| schestowitz | >>> probably won't happen. | Sep 29 09:11 |
| schestowitz | >> | Sep 29 09:11 |
| schestowitz | >> I can explain Swapnil. But I could never explain SJVN. He still helps | Sep 29 09:11 |
| schestowitz | >> me, I don't want to insult him. | Sep 29 09:11 |
| schestowitz | > | Sep 29 09:11 |
| schestowitz | > I gather that Swapnil's case was just a side effect of his aggressive | Sep 29 09:11 |
| schestowitz | > social climbing and chasing easy money. In absence of more data, I | Sep 29 09:11 |
| schestowitz | > don't attribute pre-planned malice on his part though, just greed and | Sep 29 09:11 |
| schestowitz | > lack of morals / backbone. | Sep 29 09:11 |
| schestowitz | > | Sep 29 09:11 |
| schestowitz | > Insulting SJVN would be inappropriate, but I am still wondering aloud | Sep 29 09:11 |
| schestowitz | > what happened. Something happened to Durusau, too, but way back then | Sep 29 09:11 |
| schestowitz | > during | Sep 29 09:11 |
| schestowitz | > the MOOX scandal. It was never made public though. | Sep 29 09:12 |
| schestowitz | > | Sep 29 09:12 |
| schestowitz | >>> Also, the BBC news page *still* has broken links. That has been going | Sep 29 09:12 |
| schestowitz | >>> on for months. Fucking M$ entryism there still doing its damage. | Sep 29 09:12 |
| schestowitz | >> | Sep 29 09:12 |
| schestowitz | >> On the technical sites like their site it's not a Microsoft issue. | Sep 29 09:12 |
| schestowitz | > | Sep 29 09:12 |
| schestowitz | > M$ is a way of life, a way of thought. The managers making decisions | Sep 29 09:12 |
| schestowitz | > are from M$ or infected with their way of thought. Things turn to shit | Sep 29 09:12 |
| schestowitz | > around them. It's part of the M$ culture and has little to do with | Sep 29 09:12 |
| schestowitz | > software. We'll see more and more of that as M$ monkeys pick up and try | Sep 29 09:12 |
| schestowitz | > to use GNU/Linux and other tools. See also Canonical. | Sep 29 09:12 |
| cubexyz | in the US senate they voted to kill privacy rules | Sep 29 09:13 |
| cubexyz | https://www.senate.gov/legislative/LIS/roll_call_lists/roll_calhttps://www.senate.gov/legislative/LIS/roll_call_lists/roll_calhttps://www.senate.gov/legislative/LIS/roll_call_lists/roll_call_vote_cfm.cfm?congress=115&session=1&vote=00094l_vote_cfm.cfm?congress=115&session=1&vote=00094l_vote_cfm.cfm?congress=115&session=1&vote=00094 | Sep 29 09:14 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights- ( status 404 @ https://www.senate.gov/legislative/LIS/roll_call_lists/roll_calhttps://www.senate.gov/legislative/LIS/roll_call_lists/roll_calhttps://www.senate.gov/legislative/LIS/roll_call_lists/roll_call_vote_cfm.cfm?congress=115&session=1&vote=00094l_vote_cfm.cfm?congress=115&session=1&vote=00094l_vote_cfm.cfm?congress=115&session=1&vote=00094 ) | Sep 29 09:14 | |
| cubexyz | oops, sorry | Sep 29 09:14 |
| cubexyz | damn it | Sep 29 09:14 |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/913673775568363520 | Sep 29 09:15 |
| TweetTuxMachines | retweeted by Links 29/9/2017: Krita 3.3.0, Tails 3.2, Amos Yee is Free | Sep 29 09:15 |
| TweetTuxMachines | @schestowitz https://t.co/Jj6By75Sx5 (techrights.org) | Sep 29 09:15 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Sep 29 09:15 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Links 29/9/2017: Krita 3.3.0, Tails 3.2, Amos Yee is Free | Techrights | Sep 29 09:15 | |
| cubexyz | https://www.senate.gov/legislative/LIS/roll_call_lists/roll_call_vote_cfm.cfm?congress=115&session=1&vote=00094 | Sep 29 09:15 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.senate.gov | U.S. Senate: U.S. Senate Roll Call Votes 115th Congress - 1st Session | Sep 29 09:15 | |
| cubexyz | it was a stupid vote too | Sep 29 09:15 |
| cubexyz | R | Sep 29 09:16 |
| cubexyz | Repubs all voted yes, and every Dem voted no | Sep 29 09:16 |
| cubexyz | but only 50% need, so it passed | Sep 29 09:16 |
| cubexyz | so with Trump and Co look out | Sep 29 09:17 |
| schestowitz | as always | Sep 29 09:26 |
| XRevan86 | YEAs: 50, NAYs: 48, Not Voting: 2 | Sep 29 09:27 |
| XRevan86 | Who are those 2 people? %) | Sep 29 09:27 |
| XRevan86 | Republicans uncomfortable with the bill? | Sep 29 09:28 |
| cubexyz | perhaps | Sep 29 09:44 |
| cubexyz | Isakson and Paul didn't vote | Sep 29 09:45 |
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| XRevan86 | They practically voted "yes" | Sep 29 09:48 |
| XRevan86 | Good job %) | Sep 29 09:48 |
| XRevan86 | What's with the informal "yea" and "nay"? :) | Sep 29 09:51 |
| cubexyz | it's more of an archaic form | Sep 29 09:55 |
| cubexyz | just tradition | Sep 29 09:55 |
| XRevan86 | > In Early Modern English, nay was used to respond to a positive question, while no was used to respond to a negative question. Over time, this distinction disappeared. | Sep 29 09:57 |
| XRevan86 | Oh, I see. | Sep 29 09:57 |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines https://twitter.com/tuxmachines/status/913688772428140544 | Sep 29 10:02 |
| TweetTuxMachines | #LibreOffice 5 review: The open source office alternative | Sep 29 10:02 |
| TweetTuxMachines | https://t.co/tnOjFlkpDW (www.tuxmachines.org) #odf #tdf | Sep 29 10:02 |
| TweetTuxMachines | #opendocument #freesw #freedom #sharing | Sep 29 10:02 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Libre Office 5 review: The open source office alternative | Tux Machines | Sep 29 10:03 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines https://twitter.com/tuxmachines/status/913690424321171456 | Sep 29 10:03 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Ubuntu: *Ubuntu 17.10 Beta 2, 32-Bit, ARTIK, and IoT | Sep 29 10:03 |
| TweetTuxMachines | modules | Sep 29 10:03 |
| TweetTuxMachines | https://t.co/VIBYYcQC1D (www.tuxmachines.org) #ubuntu | Sep 29 10:03 |
| TweetTuxMachines | #gnu #linux #canonical #artik | Sep 29 10:03 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Ubuntu: *Ubuntu 17.10 Beta 2, 32-Bit, ARTIK, and IoT modules | Tux Machines | Sep 29 10:03 | |
| *TweetTuxMachines @schestowitz retweeted @tuxmachines: '#LibreOffice 5 review: The open source office alternative...' | Sep 29 10:08 | |
| *TweetTuxMachines @schestowitz retweeted @tuxmachines: 'Ubuntu: *Ubuntu 17.10 Beta 2, 32-Bit, ARTIK, and...' | Sep 29 10:10 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @schestowitz https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/913692330644865024 | Sep 29 10:15 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Well, @tuxmachines continues to be #shadowbanned by | Sep 29 10:15 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Sep 29 10:15 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | Been about a week | Sep 29 10:15 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Most people don't understand #shadowbans | Sep 29 10:15 |
| TweetTuxMachines | So pretend no probs | Sep 29 10:15 |
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| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines https://twitter.com/tuxmachines/status/913693618132717569 | Sep 29 10:16 |
| TweetTuxMachines | #SparkyLinux 5.1 "Nibiru" OS Released, It's Based on | Sep 29 10:16 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Debian GNU/Linux 10 "Buster" | Sep 29 10:16 |
| TweetTuxMachines | https://t.co/0Psld3AbDd (www.tuxmachines.org) #debian | Sep 29 10:16 |
| TweetTuxMachines | #gnu #linux | Sep 29 10:16 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | SparkyLinux 5.1 "Nibiru" OS Released, It's Based on Debian GNU/Linux 10 "Buster" | Tux Machines | Sep 29 10:16 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines https://twitter.com/tuxmachines/status/913694018634178563 | Sep 29 10:20 |
| TweetTuxMachines | System76's Pop!_OS Now in Beta | Sep 29 10:20 |
| TweetTuxMachines | https://t.co/EfrAOuzuk5 (www.tuxmachines.org) | Sep 29 10:20 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | System76's Pop!_OS Now in Beta | Tux Machines | Sep 29 10:20 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | #System76 #popos #gnu #linux | Sep 29 10:20 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Sep 29 10:20 | |
| *TweetTuxMachines @schestowitz retweeted @tuxmachines: '#SparkyLinux 5.1 "Nibiru" OS Released, It's Based on...' | Sep 29 10:24 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/913695989566865408 | Sep 29 11:17 |
| TweetTuxMachines | retweeted by System76's Pop!_OS Now in Beta | Sep 29 11:17 |
| TweetTuxMachines | @schestowitz https://t.co/EfrAOuzuk5 (www.tuxmachines.org) | Sep 29 11:17 |
| TweetTuxMachines | #System76 #popos #gnu #linux | Sep 29 11:17 |
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| *TweetTuxMachines @tuxmachines favourited retweet 'RT @schestowitz: @wikileaks I found and collated about...' | Sep 29 11:17 | |
| *TweetTuxMachines @tuxmachines favourited '@wikileaks I found and collated about 15 MSM...' | Sep 29 11:17 | |
| *TweetTuxMachines @tuxmachines favourited '@wikileaks The media is intentionally deflecting, focusing on...' | Sep 29 11:17 | |
| *TweetTuxMachines @tuxmachines favourited retweet 'RT @schestowitz: @wikileaks The media is intentionally deflecting,...' | Sep 29 11:18 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines https://twitter.com/tuxmachines/status/913709500401668097 | Sep 29 11:23 |
| TweetTuxMachines | #Firefox 57 Benchmarks and Privacy | Sep 29 11:23 |
| TweetTuxMachines | https://t.co/mIoJTJSz48 (www.tuxmachines.org) #mozilla | Sep 29 11:23 |
| TweetTuxMachines | #freesw #www | Sep 29 11:23 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Firefox 57 Benchmarks and Privacy | Tux Machines | Sep 29 11:23 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines https://twitter.com/tuxmachines/status/913710673485602817 | Sep 29 11:26 |
| TweetTuxMachines | #Programming: #FreeBSD, 'Outraged' Programmers, and Kid | Sep 29 11:26 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Programmers | Sep 29 11:26 |
| TweetTuxMachines | https://t.co/IhkPGOeii6 (www.tuxmachines.org) | Sep 29 11:26 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Programming: FreeBSD, 'Outraged' Programmers, and Kid Programmers | Tux Machines | Sep 29 11:26 | |
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| *TweetTuxMachines @schestowitz retweeted @tuxmachines: '#Firefox 57 Benchmarks and Privacy https://t.co/mIoJTJSz48 #mozilla ...' | Sep 29 11:32 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/913712966637359106 | Sep 29 11:56 |
| TweetTuxMachines | retweeted by #Programming: #FreeBSD, 'Outraged' Programmers, and Kid | Sep 29 11:56 |
| TweetTuxMachines | @schestowitz Programmers | Sep 29 11:56 |
| TweetTuxMachines | https://t.co/IhkPGOeii6 (www.tuxmachines.org) | Sep 29 11:56 |
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| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines https://twitter.com/tuxmachines/status/913719173775331328 | Sep 29 11:59 |
| TweetTuxMachines | #Lobbying Campaign Blamed Elizabeth Warren For 'Socialist | Sep 29 11:59 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Plot' She Had Nothing To Do With | Sep 29 11:59 |
| TweetTuxMachines | https://t.co/qv5jB7Yitx (www.tuxmachines.org) | Sep 29 11:59 |
| TweetTuxMachines | #oracle attacks #freesw | Sep 29 11:59 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Sep 29 11:59 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Stealth Lobbying Campaign Blamed Elizabeth Warren For 'Socialist Plot' She Had Nothing To Do With | Tux Machines | Sep 29 11:59 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines https://twitter.com/tuxmachines/status/913719712147701760 | Sep 29 12:04 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Qt/KDE: #Qt World Summit, #GammaRay, #Kdenlive, and | Sep 29 12:04 |
| TweetTuxMachines | #Krita | Sep 29 12:04 |
| TweetTuxMachines | https://t.co/389D84FFk2 (www.tuxmachines.org) #kde #gnu | Sep 29 12:04 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Qt/KDE: Qt World Summit, GammaRay, Kdenlive, and Krita | Tux Machines | Sep 29 12:04 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | #linux | Sep 29 12:04 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Sep 29 12:04 | |
| *TweetTuxMachines @schestowitz retweeted @tuxmachines: 'Qt/KDE: #Qt World Summit, #GammaRay, #Kdenlive, and #Krita...' | Sep 29 12:08 | |
| MarkBilk | "Stealth Lobbying Campaign Blamed Elizabeth Warren For 'Socialist Plot' She Had Nothing To Do With" -- Fascism is really getting worse in the U.S. Socialism is automatically considered evil! | Sep 29 12:16 |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/913722175768727558 | Sep 29 12:23 |
| TweetTuxMachines | retweeted by #Lobbying Campaign Blamed Elizabeth Warren For 'Socialist | Sep 29 12:23 |
| TweetTuxMachines | @schestowitz Plot' She Had Nothing To Do With | Sep 29 12:23 |
| TweetTuxMachines | https://t.co/qv5jB7Yitx (www.tuxmachines.org) | Sep 29 12:23 |
| TweetTuxMachines | #oracle attacks #freesw | Sep 29 12:23 |
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| *TweetTuxMachines @tuxmachines favourited '@potusonthepot @realDonaldTrump And KKK apologists as AGs (!!)...' | Sep 29 12:23 | |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz: @potusonthepot @realDonaldTrump More chauvinism https://t.co/CuF7RKV1lc | Sep 29 12:23 | |
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| *TweetTuxMachines @tuxmachines favourited '@potusonthepot @realDonaldTrump That one was a killer https://t.co/FNMIqdVvJ5' | Sep 29 12:23 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz: @potusonthepot @realDonaldTrump That one was a killer https://t.co/FNMIqdVvJ5 | Sep 29 12:23 | |
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| *TweetTuxMachines @tuxmachines favourited retweet 'RT @schestowitz: @jeremycorbyn The #UK press is already...' | Sep 29 12:24 | |
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| schestowitz | [12:16] <MarkBilk> "Stealth Lobbying Campaign Blamed Elizabeth Warren For 'Socialist Plot' She Had Nothing To Do With" -- Fascism is really getting worse in the U.S. Socialism is automatically considered evil! | Sep 29 12:28 |
| schestowitz | As a political rool | Sep 29 12:29 |
| schestowitz | for commercial gain | Sep 29 12:29 |
| schestowitz | MS did this too | Sep 29 12:29 |
| schestowitz | In brazil, versus odf | Sep 29 12:29 |
| *TweetTuxMachines @tuxmachines favourited '@jeremycorbyn The #UK press is already ignoring the...' | Sep 29 12:53 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines https://twitter.com/tuxmachines/status/913733370424721408 | Sep 29 12:54 |
| TweetTuxMachines | #Android Leftovers https://t.co/m9DYD6uH3T | Sep 29 12:54 |
| TweetTuxMachines | (www.tuxmachines.org) #google #linux | Sep 29 12:54 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Android Leftovers | Tux Machines | Sep 29 12:54 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines https://twitter.com/tuxmachines/status/913733564302229504 | Sep 29 13:00 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Add-on brings the Raspberry Pi into the sub-1GHz RF world | Sep 29 13:00 |
| TweetTuxMachines | https://t.co/VAAAFf4ab6 (www.tuxmachines.org) #linux | Sep 29 13:00 |
| TweetTuxMachines | #raspi | Sep 29 13:00 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Add-on brings the Raspberry Pi into the sub-1GHz RF world | Tux Machines | Sep 29 13:00 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines https://twitter.com/tuxmachines/status/913735261242232833 | Sep 29 13:02 |
| TweetTuxMachines | #Games: #UnrealEngine, #Atari, #TwineCookbook, | Sep 29 13:02 |
| TweetTuxMachines | #RocketLeague, #BallisticOverkill | Sep 29 13:02 |
| TweetTuxMachines | https://t.co/tQ2nuRsryz (www.tuxmachines.org) #gnu | Sep 29 13:02 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Games: Unreal Engine, Atari, Twine Cookbook, Rocket League, Ballistic Overkill | Tux Machines | Sep 29 13:02 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines https://twitter.com/tuxmachines/status/913735741200637952 | Sep 29 13:09 |
| TweetTuxMachines | #Maxta, #DHFL, #RedHat, and #SAP | Sep 29 13:09 |
| TweetTuxMachines | https://t.co/dInhbMDfuZ (www.tuxmachines.org) #gnu #linux | Sep 29 13:09 |
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| DaemonFC | Firefox 56 is out. | Sep 29 19:37 |
| DaemonFC | Last release to support legacy add-ons. | Sep 29 19:37 |
| DaemonFC | The big news will be Firefox 57, because a lot more of their code from Servo will land and it will finally perform pretty well. | Sep 29 19:39 |
| MinceR | one word: pulseaudio | Sep 29 19:39 |
| MinceR | rot in hell, mozilla. | Sep 29 19:39 |
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| DaemonFC | MinceR, Pretty much anything that uses ALSA ends up getting redirected to Pulseaudio anyway. That's the whole point. | Sep 29 19:44 |
| DaemonFC | Like systemd, one of the goals of Pulseaudio is that nothing can escape it and do its own thing. | Sep 29 19:44 |
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| DaemonFC | Although the situation might be more justifiable with Pulseaudio since if that happened there things could get really awkward. | Sep 29 19:45 |
| MinceR | DaemonFC: no, it does not | Sep 29 19:46 |
| MinceR | do you know why? | Sep 29 19:46 |
| DaemonFC | You removed it? | Sep 29 19:46 |
| MinceR | i removed execute permission from it. | Sep 29 19:46 |
| DaemonFC | Well, what does Devuan do about it. | Sep 29 19:47 |
| DaemonFC | It's part of the Debian desktop metapackage now, iirc. | Sep 29 19:47 |
| MinceR | you can remove it and configure alsa to not use it, if it's like debian7 | Sep 29 19:47 |
| MinceR | well, you can remove the server, anyway | Sep 29 19:47 |
| MinceR | would be nice if the client library was also optional | Sep 29 19:47 |
| DaemonFC | I keep hearing that the great thing about FOSS is that it's yours to do with as you please, but if you break it you get to keep both pieces. :D | Sep 29 19:48 |
| MinceR | if i use pulseaudio, that will be by my own choice, not by the choice of the fascists at mozilla. | Sep 29 19:48 |
| DaemonFC | What does Chromium do? | Sep 29 19:48 |
| MinceR | haven't really tested | Sep 29 19:48 |
| DaemonFC | Actually, what DO you use to browse with? | Sep 29 19:49 |
| MinceR | midori works fine | Sep 29 19:49 |
| DaemonFC | Firefox and Chromium are the big two. Even KDE/Qt gave up. | Sep 29 19:49 |
| MinceR | i'm still mostly using palemoon | Sep 29 19:49 |
| DaemonFC | QtWebEngine is just Chromium wrapped inside of Qt. | Sep 29 19:49 |
| MinceR | and investigating webkit/blink/electron/muon/CEF browsers | Sep 29 19:49 |
| MinceR | but it does look like i'll end up with midori | Sep 29 19:49 |
| DaemonFC | Yeah, Blink (Chromium) is the 800 pound gorilla. Chromium has become a de facto standard. | Sep 29 19:50 |
| MinceR | chromium has a really annoying bug, maybe it's from blink | Sep 29 19:50 |
| DaemonFC | Microsoft and Mozilla are implementing its extensions API and trying to get it made a W3C standard. | Sep 29 19:51 |
| DaemonFC | Google isn't pushing for standardization, but they don't need to. | Sep 29 19:51 |
| MinceR | in chromium, min and brave, if i pick something from the ordering menu ("Rendezés") here, it instead passes the click to the stuff underneath | Sep 29 19:51 |
| MinceR | http://www.argep.hu/main.aspx?suche=whatever&x=0&y=0 | Sep 29 19:51 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.argep.hu | whatever termékek - ÁrGép | Sep 29 19:51 | |
| MinceR | so i can't change sorting and it goes to a page i didn't want to go to instead | Sep 29 19:51 |
| DaemonFC | MinceR, Well, GNOME Web/WebkitGTK is going the Apple route in a number of ways because that's what's already in Webkit. | Sep 29 19:52 |
| MinceR | i should investigate if this is really due to blink | Sep 29 19:52 |
| DaemonFC | For example, eventually it'll use the Content Blocker API that is in Webkit that Safari uses. | Sep 29 19:52 |
| DaemonFC | I've read over the API and I believe it to be superior to ABP rules format in many ways. | Sep 29 19:52 |
| DaemonFC | It's pretty well documented, which is unusual for Apple, but nice! Which is also unusual for Apple. | Sep 29 19:53 |
| DaemonFC | One of the Gnome Web developers said it was not a goal to make it usable in other desktops though. He made some good points. | Sep 29 19:54 |
| DaemonFC | Like, GNOME already has a Control Center and that's where you go to make network settings. | Sep 29 19:54 |
| DaemonFC | Web respects those, obviously. So why add another control panel just for Web? | Sep 29 19:54 |
| DaemonFC | I doubt it will ever be useful outside of GNOME, but Midori does use exactly the same rendering engine. | Sep 29 19:55 |
| MinceR | well, of course | Sep 29 19:56 |
| MinceR | the gnome people want to destroy all other DEs and WMs outside their beloved macos and winblows | Sep 29 19:57 |
| MinceR | they're all about lack of choice, all about taking away all control from the user | Sep 29 19:57 |
| MinceR | remember, that's where cancerd comes from | Sep 29 19:57 |
| MinceR | it's telling that gnome is still a gnu project | Sep 29 19:57 |
| MinceR | the Gratis Windows Foundation is rotten to its core | Sep 29 19:57 |
| DaemonFC | BleepingComputer is at it again. This time they published an "alert" about a memory corruption vulnerability in Linux that was fixed two years ago and backported to the LTS kernels at the time. However, embarrassingly for Red Hat, the patch never landed in their RHEL kernels (although it did land in Fedora and it would be mitigated in RHEL 7 and bugs like it would be mitigated in Fedora for ages now because SUID root | Sep 29 19:59 |
| DaemonFC | executables are forbidden in software from the distribution.). | Sep 29 19:59 |
| MinceR | as for the control center thing, back when gnome wasn't a user-hostile shitheap, they used plaintext config files, so users could edit those | Sep 29 19:59 |
| MinceR | also, there's zero sense in moving application-specific settings out of the application and into an unrelated application | Sep 29 19:59 |
| MinceR | but it's funny that the gnome morons believe "Web" is good enough to make people use gnome just for the browser | Sep 29 19:59 |
| MinceR | well, then, BleepingComputer is right for calling ratcrap out for pushing insecure shit | Sep 29 20:00 |
| MinceR | sounds like ratcrap has reached crApple levels of sitting on upstream security fixes | Sep 29 20:00 |
| DaemonFC | Chrome from Google still sets SUID root on the sandbox helper, but Chromium from Fedora uses other sandboxing methods instead. | Sep 29 20:02 |
| MinceR | i wonder if it was the sandbox that made chromium crash my netbook | Sep 29 20:05 |
| MinceR | which made me give up on it for a long time | Sep 29 20:06 |
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| MinceR | https://random.cat/i/PFYWm.jpg | Sep 29 20:17 |
| DaemonFC | Comcast is just awesome. | Sep 29 20:17 |
| MinceR | sarcasm sense... tingling! | Sep 29 20:18 |
| DaemonFC | They've disappeared me and replaced me with someone who will extol the virtues of an unstable network that spies on people and caps their data and throttles them! | Sep 29 20:18 |
| MinceR | and at the same time, admits to being a replacement | Sep 29 20:19 |
| MinceR | most curious | Sep 29 20:19 |
| DaemonFC | MinceR, Don't you just see how great it is to pay $5 more than Google Fiber for aa network that's 20 times slower even if it ever reaches the advertised speed? | Sep 29 20:19 |
| DaemonFC | MinceR, That mean old Google Fiber. | Sep 29 20:21 |
| DaemonFC | Always wanting to come in and give everyone cheap and fast internet. | Sep 29 20:21 |
| MinceR | scary | Sep 29 20:21 |
| DaemonFC | Thank goodness we have politicians that all take money from Comcast or else that mean old Google might come in, or god help us, we might have a public ISP! | Sep 29 20:21 |
| DaemonFC | MinceR, I think it's just terrible what has become of the internet. | Sep 29 20:24 |
| MinceR | indeed | Sep 29 20:24 |
| DaemonFC | We don't have the freedom that we do elsewhere online these days. | Sep 29 20:24 |
| MinceR | also what has become of IT and human society in general | Sep 29 20:24 |
| DaemonFC | If you want to mail someone a package full of bootleg DVDs, you can do that and expect that the post office won't open it, or you can use a private courier and nobody will demand an inspection without a warrant. | Sep 29 20:25 |
| DaemonFC | Meanwhile, on the internet, all of your "packages" (packets) are intercepted quietly and inspected, no warrant, and companies can pay what amounts to private detectives to monitor you, and then your ISP will punish you without due process by taking the private detective at their word. | Sep 29 20:26 |
| DaemonFC | Without giving you a chance to explain yourself. | Sep 29 20:26 |
| DaemonFC | MinceR, I posted a bunch of that to Facebook, but the best part was: | Sep 29 20:35 |
| DaemonFC | The copyright holder or their agent has to sign it stating that, under penalty of perjury that they know you committed copyright infringement, but in reality it works more like the Wells Fargo robosigning foreclosures because the government has never prosecuted a single instance even though billions of DMCA letters have gone out and we know of at least thousands that were not true, including a request from Microsoft to | Sep 29 20:35 |
| DaemonFC | Google to delete a link to their Bing search engine and another one to delete a public beta copy of Windows that Microsoft wanted people to download. There was also the case of the networked printer that downloaded a movie. | Sep 29 20:35 |
| DaemonFC | MinceR, It almost got even worse with SOPA. | Sep 29 20:36 |
| MinceR | https://68.media.tumblr.com/474272cc93c0522290ac649fa2eedbd5/tumblr_owx326sm2A1vkzuj9o1_400.gif | Sep 29 20:36 |
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| DaemonFC | But the public was onto them because of their years of abuse of the DMCA. | Sep 29 20:36 |
| DaemonFC | It's bad enough that we still have that. | Sep 29 20:37 |
| DaemonFC | MinceR, They're turning the web from a public asset into a corporate pipeline for DRM-encumbered crap that takes 150 times as much CPU power as playing an MP3 to listen to a song on Spotify. | Sep 29 20:39 |
| MinceR | yup | Sep 29 20:39 |
| MinceR | though you won't get MP3, as the patents are expired | Sep 29 20:39 |
| DaemonFC | They use Vorbis and Debian. | Sep 29 20:39 |
| MinceR | the corporate juggernaut will enforce a move to something that's further encrusted | Sep 29 20:39 |
| DaemonFC | It helps them oppress you, ironically. | Sep 29 20:40 |
| DaemonFC | Widevine can wrap anything that uses HTML 5. | Sep 29 20:40 |
| schestowitz | MinceR: took it her/himself | Sep 29 20:45 |
| schestowitz | then uploaded it | Sep 29 20:45 |
| schestowitz | so maybe staged | Sep 29 20:45 |
| MinceR | still funny | Sep 29 20:46 |
| DaemonFC | I wonder why the courts haven't been angry about this. | Sep 29 20:47 |
| DaemonFC | Think about it. These companies get in the swarm and distribute the material they're complaining about. | Sep 29 20:47 |
| DaemonFC | How can they sue you over something they handed you? | Sep 29 20:47 |
| MinceR | by employing a legal system that is itself a bad joke | Sep 29 20:48 |
| DaemonFC | MinceR, I've considered going to the Chicago library and doing torrents on their network. | Sep 29 20:48 |
| MinceR | the social contract is a scam. | Sep 29 20:48 |
| DaemonFC | I'm certain it's blocked, but they can't tell what I'm using if I connect to VPN. | Sep 29 20:49 |
| DaemonFC | Only that it's a lot of data. | Sep 29 20:49 |
| MinceR | :) | Sep 29 20:49 |
| DaemonFC | That way if you get unmasked it doesn't matter. They go after the government in a government court and claim that someone at the library infringed copyright and it's the government's fault. | Sep 29 20:50 |
| DaemonFC | That would be funny as all hell. | Sep 29 20:50 |
| DaemonFC | I mean, under the established "logic" that if anyone uses your internet, it makes you guilty of whatever they did with it... | Sep 29 20:50 |
| DaemonFC | We don't do that with anything else. | Sep 29 20:51 |
| DaemonFC | If your gun is stolen and someone gets murdered with it, it's not you in court for murder. | Sep 29 20:51 |
| DaemonFC | If someone steals your car and crashes it into someone else's car, it's not your fault. | Sep 29 20:51 |
| MinceR | it would also be funny to have police waiting at the library, checking network traffic volume | Sep 29 20:52 |
| DaemonFC | If it's plausible that someone was using your internet connection in a way you did not approve of, the copyright lawsuit should be tossed. | Sep 29 20:52 |
| MinceR | ready to spring at a suspicious library visitor | Sep 29 20:52 |
| MinceR | > should | Sep 29 20:52 |
| MinceR | in today's corrupt, authoritarian human society, that means less that nothing | Sep 29 20:52 |
| DaemonFC | MinceR, Go to different branches, I guess. | Sep 29 20:52 |
| DaemonFC | Shake it up. | Sep 29 20:53 |
| MinceR | collect the few humans who still have a functioning brain, build a robot army and wipe out the rest of the human species | Sep 29 20:53 |
| DaemonFC | If it's always at the same branch every day around the same time, they might start looking for you there. | Sep 29 20:53 |
| DaemonFC | If you go to different branches on different days at different times and download a bunch of shit and then leave, it makes it much harder. | Sep 29 20:53 |
| DaemonFC | MinceR, But why stop at the library? | Sep 29 20:54 |
| DaemonFC | McDonalds and Starbucks have free wifi too! | Sep 29 20:54 |
| MinceR | :) | Sep 29 20:54 |
| DaemonFC | MinceR, Basically, as long as you use the VPN on public wifi and shake things up, they should never find you. | Sep 29 20:55 |
| MinceR | http://content.leenks.com/pics/2017/random407/random-8.jpg | Sep 29 20:56 |
| DaemonFC | Torrenting in the clear is now too dangerous. | Sep 29 20:57 |
| DaemonFC | There's a 50/50 chance that what you download is being monitored by a copyright troll and they'll send a complaint to your ISP. | Sep 29 20:57 |
| DaemonFC | And while the chances of being sued in federal court are about 1 in tens of thousands, why risk it? | Sep 29 20:58 |
| DaemonFC | The guy that used to work for Comcast's Network Security department said they got swamped with DMCA complaints, but he only recalls two subpoenas. | Sep 29 20:58 |
| DaemonFC | The RIAA lawsuits kind of turned them off to individually suing people. It's very expensive and they file bankruptcy immediately after they lose. | Sep 29 20:59 |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines https://twitter.com/tuxmachines/status/913855551066566657 | Sep 29 20:59 |
| TweetTuxMachines | #Librem 5 Leads New Wave of Open Source Mobile Linux | Sep 29 20:59 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Contenders https://t.co/9iXQ1QHaDm (www.tuxmachines.org) | Sep 29 20:59 |
| TweetTuxMachines | #gnu #linux | Sep 29 20:59 |
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| DaemonFC | Also, the copyright trolls tried to establish that they could sue multiple people at once in a single court. | Sep 29 21:00 |
| DaemonFC | And it was ruled that they had to do it individually in a federal court in the state in which you reside. | Sep 29 21:00 |
| DaemonFC | MinceR, So unless they get a new law from Congress that lets them batch up the lawsuits against multiple defendants and then go judge shopping to turn a court room into a file sharing lawsuit assembly line, they have a strong incentive to simply try to call your bluff. | Sep 29 21:01 |
| DaemonFC | "Hey, give us $30 a file and we'll go away.". | Sep 29 21:01 |
| DaemonFC | But when you pay kidnappers, terrorists, and hostage takers, they DON'T go away. | Sep 29 21:01 |
| DaemonFC | They come back and want more. | Sep 29 21:01 |
| MinceR | disgusting | Sep 29 21:02 |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines https://twitter.com/tuxmachines/status/913855814116536322 | Sep 29 21:10 |
| TweetTuxMachines | #ZorinOS Is a Great Linux Desktop For Any User | Sep 29 21:10 |
| TweetTuxMachines | https://t.co/h3xqPSRUD1 (www.tuxmachines.org) #gnu #linux | Sep 29 21:10 |
| TweetTuxMachines | #russia | Sep 29 21:10 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Sep 29 21:11 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | ZorinOS Is a Great Linux Desktop For Any User | Tux Machines | Sep 29 21:11 | |
| DaemonFC | MinceR, Rightscorp just bought a patent from Israel that supposedly helps them identify a single person who shares files even if they get different IP addresses over time from their ISP. It would take an expert witness in court to go over any flaws with this method, and with the joke they've turned our legal system into, I'm not even sure that would be enough to sway a judge. | Sep 29 21:12 |
| XRevan86 | DaemonFC: Torrents are not that easy to block :). | Sep 29 21:12 |
| XRevan86 | Maybe they only blocked "unknown" ports | Sep 29 21:13 |
| XRevan86 | then you can try setting up your torrent client's port to 443 %) | Sep 29 21:13 |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines https://twitter.com/tuxmachines/status/913858499729395718 | Sep 29 21:13 |
| TweetTuxMachines | #Ubuntu, #PopOS, and #Tails 3.2 | Sep 29 21:13 |
| TweetTuxMachines | https://t.co/5yoYpjwBtq (www.tuxmachines.org) #gnu #linux | Sep 29 21:13 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Sep 29 21:13 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Ubuntu, Pop!_OS, and Tails 3.2 | Tux Machines | Sep 29 21:13 | |
| DaemonFC | MinceR, I probably should have encrypted my SSD when the installer gave me the option to. | Sep 29 21:14 |
| DaemonFC | I'm going through an airport next week and even though it's a domestic flight, there's no telling what the government will assert that it has a right to rummage through. | Sep 29 21:14 |
| MinceR | indeed | Sep 29 21:14 |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines https://twitter.com/tuxmachines/status/913859099061755904 | Sep 29 21:15 |
| TweetTuxMachines | #Security: #CII, Policy, Investment, and More | Sep 29 21:15 |
| TweetTuxMachines | https://t.co/QONsORc7u2 (www.tuxmachines.org) | Sep 29 21:15 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Sep 29 21:15 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Security: CII, Policy, Investment, and More | Tux Machines | Sep 29 21:15 | |
| MinceR | also helps keep the manufacturer out of your secrets if you have to take it back for warranty service | Sep 29 21:15 |
| XRevan86 | > McDonalds and Starbucks have free wifi too! | Sep 29 21:15 |
| XRevan86 | They don't require auth? | Sep 29 21:15 |
| DaemonFC | MinceR, Lenovo would probably try to get out of the warranty just because it doesn't have Windows on it. | Sep 29 21:15 |
| DaemonFC | Or worse. | Sep 29 21:15 |
| MinceR | :> | Sep 29 21:15 |
| MinceR | if it was a thinkpad, they wouldn't | Sep 29 21:16 |
| DaemonFC | HP sent my laptop back once and said they reinstalled a fresh copy of Windows for me and I lost all my files. | Sep 29 21:16 |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines https://twitter.com/tuxmachines/status/913859509268905985 | Sep 29 21:17 |
| TweetTuxMachines | #GPD Pocket Ubuntu Editon Review https://t.co/iuasM2RRZo | Sep 29 21:17 |
| TweetTuxMachines | (www.tuxmachines.org) #ubuntu #gnu #linux | Sep 29 21:17 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Sep 29 21:17 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | GPD Pocket Ubuntu Editon Review | Tux Machines | Sep 29 21:17 | |
| DaemonFC | MinceR, I'll probably trash my browser profile. | Sep 29 21:18 |
| DaemonFC | I can rebuild it later by using Firefox Sync. | Sep 29 21:18 |
| MinceR | oh, also, SSDs are even more difficult to securely erase than HDDs, which also makes encryption a good idea | Sep 29 21:19 |
| DaemonFC | MinceR, Well, the default mode of Ext4 is to not journal data, so that's good at least. | Sep 29 21:20 |
| *TweetTuxMachines @schestowitz retweeted @tuxmachines: '#GPD Pocket Ubuntu Editon Review https://t.co/iuasM2RRZo #ubuntu #gnu...' | Sep 29 21:20 | |
| MinceR | i doubt it is, and also i don't see how it would help | Sep 29 21:20 |
| DaemonFC | MinceR, When you delete a file, there's no file data left in the journal. | Sep 29 21:21 |
| MinceR | the file data is still on the device | Sep 29 21:21 |
| DaemonFC | MinceR, John is a TSA agent so he knows what the procedures are. | Sep 29 21:23 |
| schestowitz | lol | Sep 29 21:23 |
| schestowitz | so he's touching dudes | Sep 29 21:23 |
| DaemonFC | I did ask if they ever pull laptops and copy anything from them. He said he's never seen it happen. | Sep 29 21:23 |
| DaemonFC | Customs might if you're on an international flight. | Sep 29 21:23 |
| MinceR | has he had a chance to see the changes caused by goldenDawnald yet? | Sep 29 21:23 |
| MinceR | ah, national only | Sep 29 21:24 |
| schestowitz | grab her | Sep 29 21:24 |
| DaemonFC | He says that policy for laptops is they go through the x-ray scanner and that they might ask you to turn it on and verify that it turns on. | Sep 29 21:24 |
| DaemonFC | MinceR, He said they took down Obama and Biden's photos in the breakroom and then never did put up Trump and Pence anywhere. | Sep 29 21:24 |
| MinceR | lol | Sep 29 21:24 |
| DaemonFC | He said for a while, there was an empty bag of Cheetos that one of the TSA agents pinned to the wall. | Sep 29 21:24 |
| MinceR | why did they have obama's and biden's photos in the breakroom? | Sep 29 21:24 |
| MinceR | lol @ cheetos bag | Sep 29 21:25 |
| MinceR | that's an insult to cheetos | Sep 29 21:25 |
| DaemonFC | The government. They like putting those pictures everywhere. | Sep 29 21:25 |
| DaemonFC | If you have to go to a Social Security office there's pictures of the president staring at you. | Sep 29 21:25 |
| MinceR | just like the USSR | Sep 29 21:25 |
| DaemonFC | Also, the states like to do things like that. | Sep 29 21:25 |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/913861013862313985 | Sep 29 21:25 |
| TweetTuxMachines | retweeted by #Security: #CII, Policy, Investment, and More | Sep 29 21:25 |
| TweetTuxMachines | @schestowitz https://t.co/QONsORc7u2 (www.tuxmachines.org) | Sep 29 21:25 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Sep 29 21:25 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Security: CII, Policy, Investment, and More | Tux Machines | Sep 29 21:26 | |
| MinceR | and the eastern bloc | Sep 29 21:26 |
| DaemonFC | You go to the license branch in Illinois, there's a picture of Jesse White in all of them. | Sep 29 21:26 |
| DaemonFC | Social Security office, Trump and Pence. | Sep 29 21:26 |
| MinceR | pictures of lenin, stalin, kim il-sung, mao, rakosi, etc. everywhere | Sep 29 21:26 |
| DaemonFC | MinceR, Yeah. | Sep 29 21:26 |
| MinceR | funny, i thought christianity was enough for the dixiestani | Sep 29 21:26 |
| DaemonFC | Social Security is fucking terrible. | Sep 29 21:26 |
| MinceR | and they didn't need to add russian-style cult of personality on top | Sep 29 21:26 |
| DaemonFC | You wait there for three hours to get a fucking card and they tell you something like you forgot a document or they'll mail it to you. | Sep 29 21:27 |
| DaemonFC | All they can give you at the office is a piece of paper saying you applied for a card. | Sep 29 21:27 |
| DaemonFC | Fat bunch of good that does if you have a job interview coming before the card can be replaced. | Sep 29 21:27 |
| MinceR | "i applied for a card but all i got was this shitty piece of paper" | Sep 29 21:27 |
| DaemonFC | E-Verify is mandatory in most states and at most employers. | Sep 29 21:28 |
| DaemonFC | If they can't get an instant reply from the government about whether you are ALLOWED to work then most just don't hire you. | Sep 29 21:29 |
| DaemonFC | And that's bad news for the 2-3% who are legal citizens and there was a glitch in the E-Verify system. | Sep 29 21:29 |
| MinceR | how could you not be ALLOWED to work? | Sep 29 21:29 |
| MinceR | i thought even the republicans were all about "right to work" | Sep 29 21:29 |
| schestowitz | http://ipkitten.blogspot.com/2017/09/proposed-ema-relocation-staff-survey.html?showComment=1506693743540#c6608134182724371054 | Sep 29 21:29 |
| MinceR | what happened to that? | Sep 29 21:29 |
| schestowitz | " | Sep 29 21:29 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-ipkitten.blogspot.com | The IPKat: Proposed EMA relocation: staff survey update | Sep 29 21:29 | |
| schestowitz | There may be pressure on the EMA to do what it is set up for and to "approve drugs". | Sep 29 21:29 |
| schestowitz | Something like the EPO, whose job apparently is to "grant patents" | Sep 29 21:29 |
| schestowitz | Don't worry about the small print on examination and assessment. | Sep 29 21:30 |
| schestowitz | " | Sep 29 21:30 |
| DaemonFC | MinceR, Right to Work has nothing to do with having a right to work. | Sep 29 21:30 |
| DaemonFC | It says you don't have to pay a union. You can force them to represent you for free. | Sep 29 21:30 |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/913862431318970368 | Sep 29 21:30 |
| TweetTuxMachines | retweeted by #Ubuntu, #PopOS, and #Tails 3.2 | Sep 29 21:30 |
| TweetTuxMachines | @schestowitz https://t.co/5yoYpjwBtq (www.tuxmachines.org) #gnu #linux | Sep 29 21:30 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Ubuntu, Pop!_OS, and Tails 3.2 | Tux Machines | Sep 29 21:30 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | Sep 29 21:30 | |
| DaemonFC | Thus starving them of dues because everyone will freeload and then the union collapses. | Sep 29 21:30 |
| MinceR | :> | Sep 29 21:30 |
| DaemonFC | It's basically an appeal to people to turn their collective bargaining unit into a tragedy of the commons. | Sep 29 21:31 |
| DaemonFC | MinceR, Then once the union is gone that $5 a week you saved turns into shitty health insurance and a $4 an hour pay cut. | Sep 29 21:32 |
| DaemonFC | :) | Sep 29 21:32 |
| MinceR | https://imgur.com/gallery/1nY7quV | Sep 29 21:32 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Air pumped beneath surface "liquefies" sand - GIF on Imgur | Sep 29 21:32 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/913863617145180161 | Sep 29 21:34 |
| TweetTuxMachines | retweeted by #ZorinOS Is a Great Linux Desktop For Any User | Sep 29 21:34 |
| TweetTuxMachines | @schestowitz https://t.co/h3xqPSRUD1 (www.tuxmachines.org) #gnu #linux | Sep 29 21:34 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | ZorinOS Is a Great Linux Desktop For Any User | Tux Machines | Sep 29 21:34 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | #russia | Sep 29 21:34 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Sep 29 21:34 | |
| XRevan86 | DaemonFC: I don't quite get it. Right to Work does something with labour unions? | Sep 29 21:35 |
| XRevan86 | Is it a state programme of sorts? | Sep 29 21:35 |
| MinceR | welcome to dixiestani deceptive law naming practices | Sep 29 21:37 |
| XRevan86 | Dagestan for the win! | Sep 29 21:37 |
| MinceR | not really | Sep 29 21:37 |
| MinceR | dagestan is under the russian thumb :( | Sep 29 21:38 |
| XRevan86 | https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Right-to-work_law so it's this? | Sep 29 21:39 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-en.wikipedia.org | Right-to-work law - Wikipedia | Sep 29 21:39 | |
| MinceR | looks like it, yup | Sep 29 21:39 |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/913864607575560193 | Sep 29 21:39 |
| TweetTuxMachines | retweeted by #Librem 5 Leads New Wave of Open Source Mobile Linux | Sep 29 21:39 |
| TweetTuxMachines | @schestowitz Contenders https://t.co/9iXQ1QHaDm (www.tuxmachines.org) | Sep 29 21:39 |
| TweetTuxMachines | #gnu #linux | Sep 29 21:39 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Librem 5 Leads New Wave of Open Source Mobile Linux Contenders | Tux Machines | Sep 29 21:39 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | Sep 29 21:39 | |
| XRevan86 | So, what is the part of E-Verify in all this? | Sep 29 21:40 |
| XRevan86 | if it greenflags a person, it means he is already part of the union? | Sep 29 21:40 |
| MinceR | nothing, afaict | Sep 29 21:40 |
| MinceR | i suspect it tells the employer you're not one of them brown people | Sep 29 21:41 |
| XRevan86 | MinceR: Arabs or Mexicans? | Sep 29 21:42 |
| XRevan86 | a lot of people are brown %) | Sep 29 21:42 |
| MinceR | both, and probably others too | Sep 29 21:42 |
| XRevan86 | So, it checks citizenship? | Sep 29 21:43 |
| XRevan86 | why does one need a thing to check for citizenship? | Sep 29 21:43 |
| MinceR | or resident status, or whatever else | Sep 29 21:43 |
| DaemonFC | Part of an Amazon post: | Sep 29 21:43 |
| DaemonFC | Women in states that have effectively outlawed abortion clinics have to buy abortion pills on the internet and hope everything goes okay. | Sep 29 21:43 |
| DaemonFC | If they do get a real abortion pill, and that's a gamble, then it usually does. There was at least one case. I think it was in Pennsylvania, but don't quote me. There were complications and then once the government found out that she got the pill on the internet (someone at the hospital ratted her out and gave personal health information to the state), they prosecuted her *and* her mother, and called the charge | Sep 29 21:43 |
| DaemonFC | "feticide" *and* for obtaining a drug online when nobody in the region would prescribe it for her. | Sep 29 21:43 |
| DaemonFC | By passing TRAP laws, Republicans aren't banning abortion. They are forcing women to make extremely dangerous decisions when the abortion clinic would have been a thousand times safer. | Sep 29 21:43 |
| DaemonFC | Large swaths of the country are turning into the Republic of Gilead, and I'm glad that Illinois went a different way with that. | Sep 29 21:43 |
| MinceR | to assure the poor, disenfranchised republican voters that the "small" government is taking their jerbs back | Sep 29 21:44 |
| MinceR | or to assure that the state can get all the tax money they intend to get | Sep 29 21:44 |
| XRevan86 | DaemonFC: I sometimes can't destinguish "Republicans" from "United Russia" | Sep 29 21:45 |
| XRevan86 | those terms start to seem interchangable | Sep 29 21:45 |
| MinceR | well, of course | Sep 29 21:45 |
| MinceR | you can see the love affair between goldenDawnald and his cabinet and putler and his goons | Sep 29 21:46 |
| MinceR | they're making this Cowardly New Fascist World Order for us all. | Sep 29 21:46 |
| XRevan86 | I am not aware of United Russia actually getting a bill that bans abortions. But they constantly talk about it. | Sep 29 21:47 |
| MinceR | ideologically they're all for that | Sep 29 21:47 |
| MinceR | just like the khuilo's fuck buddy in budapest/felcsut | Sep 29 21:48 |
| XRevan86 | MinceR: Yeah. | Sep 29 21:48 |
| MinceR | fundamentalist vermin | Sep 29 21:48 |
| XRevan86 | MinceR: I keep reading the transliteration as "Julio" :) | Sep 29 21:48 |
| MinceR | :) | Sep 29 21:48 |
| DaemonFC | MinceR, Even without a VPN you can direct download and usually the file server is in another country that doesn't give a fuck. | Sep 29 21:49 |
| DaemonFC | But those are getting harder to download from with a "free" account. | Sep 29 21:49 |
| DaemonFC | They know that the noose is tightening here and people will pay. | Sep 29 21:50 |
| MinceR | i wonder if this great international fundamentalist fascist love affair will change that | Sep 29 21:50 |
| DaemonFC | Perhaps. | Sep 29 21:50 |
| MinceR | maybe they'll just tear the internet apart | Sep 29 21:50 |
| DaemonFC | MinceR, The Russian government raided Private Internet Access, so they pulled all their servers out of Russia. | Sep 29 21:50 |
| MinceR | or just ban general purpose computers (at least for us slaves) so we can't overcome their precious DRM anymore | Sep 29 21:50 |
| DaemonFC | They had no logs, so there was no data to seize. | Sep 29 21:50 |
| DaemonFC | MinceR, They don't really NEED to. | Sep 29 21:51 |
| DaemonFC | As long as they can keep 97% of the people on treacherous operating systems, that's probably good enough for them. | Sep 29 21:51 |
| MinceR | you can already see it isn't | Sep 29 21:51 |
| MinceR | not only are they pushing closed platforms on mobile, winblows and macos are also turning into closed platforms | Sep 29 21:52 |
| MinceR | and even that is not enough | Sep 29 21:52 |
| MinceR | ratcrap is grabbing power over what remains | Sep 29 21:53 |
| MinceR | and they're pushing intel me, psp, uefi, tpm | Sep 29 21:53 |
| DaemonFC | MinceR, Windows 10 is about to introduce a new "feature" that uses the Windows Defender program to scour your storage for pirated stuff and deletes it and reports you to the copyright holder. | Sep 29 21:53 |
| MinceR | and intel boot guard | Sep 29 21:53 |
| DaemonFC | Microsoft got the patent for that a while ago. | Sep 29 21:53 |
| MinceR | there would be no need for the m$/red hat/canonical alliance against unix if locking down their beloved winblows and macos was enough | Sep 29 21:54 |
| MinceR | there would be no need for uefi, intel me, intel boot guard and psp then | Sep 29 21:54 |
| XRevan86 | DaemonFC: It's not like a used is who bought Windows 10 for one's PC. | Sep 29 21:56 |
| DaemonFC | MinceR, It already is bad enough that they price gouge for access to streaming video. | Sep 29 21:56 |
| DaemonFC | Imagine how much it will cost when there is no competition. | Sep 29 21:56 |
| XRevan86 | In Soviet Russia Windows 10 uses YOU! | Sep 29 21:57 |
| *XRevan86 imagines a bunch of Windows 10's sweeping stores looking for their useds to buy. | Sep 29 21:57 | |
| MinceR | also, there would be no need for "html5" if they were satisfied with absolute control over people who are stupid enough to use winblows, OSuX or hypeOS. | Sep 29 21:57 |
| XRevan86 | and if a pet used misbehaves, Windows 10 will return it back | Sep 29 21:58 |
| XRevan86 | and even report to the pet control | Sep 29 21:58 |
| XRevan86 | like a concious active citizen would do | Sep 29 21:59 |
| XRevan86 | * OS | Sep 29 21:59 |
| DaemonFC | https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1496951 | Sep 29 22:01 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-bugzilla.redhat.com | Bug 1496951 – GNOME Control Center crashes when trying to use VPN settings menu. | Sep 29 22:01 | |
| XRevan86 | > (03:16:06) MinceR: if it was a thinkpad, they wouldn't | Sep 29 22:01 |
| DaemonFC | Looks like that's getting some attention. | Sep 29 22:01 |
| XRevan86 | MinceR: What did you mean by that? %) | Sep 29 22:01 |
| DaemonFC | https://koji.fedoraproject.org/koji/buildinfo?buildID=977111 | Sep 29 22:03 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-koji.fedoraproject.org | NetworkManager-1.8.4-3.fc27 | Build Info | koji | Sep 29 22:03 | |
| DaemonFC | I'll have to try this and see if it works. | Sep 29 22:03 |
| MinceR | XRevan86: they serviced my thinkpad nicely, without any excuses, even though it had no winblows installed | Sep 29 22:03 |
| MinceR | and they didn't bother the HDD. | Sep 29 22:04 |
| XRevan86 | MinceR: It probably depends heavily on the service centre | Sep 29 22:05 |
| XRevan86 | MinceR: Thanks for the clarification :). | Sep 29 22:05 |
| MinceR | i don't have the resources to test them all | Sep 29 22:05 |
| MinceR | so i rely on the manufacturer to keep their service centers in line | Sep 29 22:05 |
| MinceR | if it was up to the service center with my dHell, then dHell doesn't keep them in line | Sep 29 22:06 |
| MinceR | but as far as i can tell, dHell just doesn't give a fuck | Sep 29 22:06 |
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| MinceR | half of their replacement units are already broken, they never know when they get any of them, they don't verify if they actually work | Sep 29 22:07 |
| MinceR | and when their shitty keyboard design falls to bits, they won't fix it unless you buy a new keyboard, rewarding them for their shitty design again. | Sep 29 22:07 |
| MinceR | dHell is a bad joke of a company. | Sep 29 22:07 |
| XRevan86 | Oh boy, they also own VMware -_- | Sep 29 22:08 |
| MinceR | lol | Sep 29 22:09 |
| XRevan86 | https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dell_Technologies#Current_operations | Sep 29 22:09 |
| MinceR | a good fit | Sep 29 22:09 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-en.wikipedia.org | Dell Technologies - Wikipedia | Sep 29 22:09 | |
| MinceR | shitty virtualization for shitty hardware and shitty "support" | Sep 29 22:09 |
| MinceR | oh, they even own RSA "Security" LLC | Sep 29 22:10 |
| MinceR | "oh, someone broke into our systems and stole the secrets our hard tokens relied on for security? who gives a shit, just keep silent about it." | Sep 29 22:10 |
| MinceR | buy an RSA "Security" hard token so you can carry something around that won't help your security one bit. | Sep 29 22:10 |
| XRevan86 | > oh, they even own RSA "Security" LLC | Sep 29 22:10 |
| XRevan86 | What do they do? O_O | Sep 29 22:10 |
| MinceR | EMC bought RSA, dHell bought EMC | Sep 29 22:11 |
| XRevan86 | What do they sell | Sep 29 22:11 |
| MinceR | shitty hard tokens | Sep 29 22:11 |
| MinceR | probably some other security theater too | Sep 29 22:11 |
| MinceR | now it's easier for people to avoid this sort of snake oil, just check if dHell owns it | Sep 29 22:11 |
| MinceR | if they do, it's shit | Sep 29 22:12 |
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| XRevan86 | MinceR: Are they, by any chance, based on the RSA crypto? :) | Sep 29 22:12 |
| MinceR | probably not | Sep 29 22:13 |
| MinceR | this sort of token relies on generating the same nonce at both ends from clocks in sync and a secret they share, afaik | Sep 29 22:13 |
| *XRevan86 waits for RSA to perish in favour of Ed25519 | Sep 29 22:13 | |
| MinceR | the RSA algorithm's viability is unaffected by RSA "Security" LLC (and dHell in general) being a total scam | Sep 29 22:14 |
| MinceR | the former was mathematically scrutinized | Sep 29 22:14 |
| MinceR | ah, they call their shitty tokens "SecurID" | Sep 29 22:14 |
| XRevan86 | MinceR: Yeah, I guess. It's still getting outdated. | Sep 29 22:14 |
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| MinceR | wikipedia says they also sell some cryptography libraries | Sep 29 22:15 |
| MinceR | probably some proprietary shit | Sep 29 22:15 |
| XRevan86 | MinceR: Probably? :) | Sep 29 22:15 |
| MinceR | "security" by obscurity | Sep 29 22:15 |
| MinceR | almost certainly | Sep 29 22:15 |
| MinceR | i don't really see how they could sell a free sw crypto library | Sep 29 22:16 |
| MinceR | and only those can be scrutinized sufficiently to be actually worth relying on for security | Sep 29 22:16 |
| MinceR | https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SecurID | Sep 29 22:18 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-en.wikipedia.org | RSA SecurID - Wikipedia | Sep 29 22:18 | |
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| XRevan86 | > The breach into RSA's network was carried out by crackers who sent phishing emails to two targeted, small groups of employees of RSA.[15] Attached to the email was an Excel file containing malware. When an RSA employee opened the Excel file, the malware exploited a vulnerability in Adobe Flash. The exploit allowed the hackers to use the Poison Ivy Remote Administration Tool to gain control of machines and access servers in RSA's network. | Sep 29 22:21 |
| XRevan86 | MinceR: I lol'd | Sep 29 22:21 |
| XRevan86 | RSA, a security company. | Sep 29 22:21 |
| MinceR | so did i | Sep 29 22:22 |
| MinceR | i was using one of these jokes at the time, it wasn't replaced | Sep 29 22:22 |
| XRevan86 | MinceR: Why would it be replaced? It's not like it was giving any real security in the first place | Sep 29 22:23 |
| MinceR | because the secret on it was potentially found out by the attackers | Sep 29 22:23 |
| XRevan86 | but a feeling of security… that can be saved simply by ignoring everything | Sep 29 22:23 |
| MinceR | so they could construct a copy of the token and use it to log in in my name | Sep 29 22:23 |
| MinceR | in _theory_, this hard token system could add a layer of security | Sep 29 22:24 |
| MinceR | but with dHell/EMC/RSA's operational security, that layer just isn't there | Sep 29 22:24 |
| MinceR | there's only the inconvenience | Sep 29 22:24 |
| XRevan86 | > There are some hints that the breach involved the theft of RSA's database mapping token serial numbers to the secret token "seeds" that were injected to make each one unique. | Sep 29 22:24 |
| XRevan86 | Centralised databases, the best way to organise one's security, ladies and gentlemen. | Sep 29 22:24 |
| MinceR | one theoretical issue i have with their system is that any client would trust an external entity for this aspect of security | Sep 29 22:25 |
| MinceR | unless they manufactured their own tokens | Sep 29 22:25 |
| MinceR | which isn't exactly reassuring | Sep 29 22:25 |
| MinceR | especially if one considers what if the client company's chief competitor happens to acquire the "security" company | Sep 29 22:25 |
| DaemonFC | Linux disabled SMBv1 by default recently. | Sep 29 22:27 |
| DaemonFC | Why would people still be using that? | Sep 29 22:27 |
| XRevan86 | DaemonFC: Ugh, Linux? | Sep 29 22:27 |
| MinceR | because people are stupid | Sep 29 22:27 |
| *XRevan86 is not aware of SMB support in the kernel. | Sep 29 22:28 | |
| MinceR | they keep using smb in all sorts of situations other than the one thing that may possibly justify relying on that vile shitheap | Sep 29 22:28 |
| MinceR | (that is, talking to winblows systems that don't have anything saner installed on them) | Sep 29 22:28 |
| MinceR | smb is incompatible with itself and is full of microsoftesque quirks | Sep 29 22:28 |
| MinceR | also, samba's implementation of it is shit | Sep 29 22:29 |
| MinceR | its error messages are inconsistent and its exit codes are nonexistent | Sep 29 22:29 |
| *TweetTuxMachines @kaddourkardio favourited '#Librem 5 Leads New Wave of Open Source...' | Sep 29 22:30 | |
| DaemonFC | MinceR, Microsoft is one of the developers of Samba. | Sep 29 22:31 |
| MinceR | ah, makes sense, then | Sep 29 22:32 |
| MinceR | i guess the original developers no longer needed samba to actually work anymore | Sep 29 22:32 |
| XRevan86 | I remembered about an anecdote: https://lurkmore.to/%D0%9E%D0%B1%D1%80%D0%B0%D0%B1%D0%BE%D1%82%D0%B0%D1%82%D1%8C_%D0%BD%D0%B0%D0%BF%D0%B8%D0%BB%D1%8C%D0%BD%D0%B8%D0%BA%D0%BE%D0%BC#.D0.9F.D0.B5.D1.80.D0.B2.D0.BE.D0.B8.D1.81.D1.82.D0.BE.D1.87.D0.BD.D0.B8.D0.BA | Sep 29 22:36 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-lurkmore.to | Обработать напильником — Lurkmore | Sep 29 22:36 | |
| XRevan86 | I'll try translating one of the options here | Sep 29 22:36 |
| MinceR | i'm not sure i understand even with google translate | Sep 29 22:40 |
| MinceR | is the point that you have the russian factory manufacture something and then sculpt the parts into the parts of whatever you need to build? | Sep 29 22:40 |
| XRevan86 | > Americans bought from Russians a new jetfighter. After constructing they got a torpedo boat. Deconstructed-constructed – boat. Deconstructed-constructed – boat. Call Russians for help, that they can't pull it off. Russians sent their specialist, who then sealed himself in a barn. After three days opens the gate [no idea whom %)] – a jetfighter is in place. Americans are puzzled, they were getting a boat. A Russian: "it's clearly said in the instruc | Sep 29 22:41 |
| XRevan86 | – before constructing process details with a file." | Sep 29 22:41 |
| XRevan86 | I don't think even Microsoft can't build their own software the same way twice. | Sep 29 22:42 |
| MinceR | indeed | Sep 29 22:43 |
| MinceR | they're all unhappy big accidents | Sep 29 22:43 |
| XRevan86 | or rather, they, Microsoft, are the ones who are most likely to fail at that :D. | Sep 29 22:43 |
| DaemonFC | At least Star Trek Discovery takes place in the Prime Universe, not the Kelvin one from JJ Abrams. | Sep 29 22:43 |
| MinceR | they (like red hat, apple and canonical) don't employ engineers | Sep 29 22:43 |
| MinceR | they do not seem to understand how the details of their own products are supposed to work | Sep 29 22:44 |
| XRevan86 | MinceR: Don't bother using Google Translate on lurkmore :) | Sep 29 22:44 |
| XRevan86 | It's like urban dictionary – it's full of slang | Sep 29 22:44 |
| MinceR | XRevan86: it actually turned out pretty close to what you wrote | Sep 29 22:44 |
| DaemonFC | The Kelvin universe shouldn't even be possible. The Federation of the 29th century monitors the timeline (Enterprise) and should have easily been able to stop the Kelvin timeline from happening. | Sep 29 22:44 |
| MinceR | i'm just not sure what sort of "file" they meant | Sep 29 22:44 |
| XRevan86 | MinceR: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File_(tool) | Sep 29 22:45 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-en.wikipedia.org | File (tool) - Wikipedia | Sep 29 22:45 | |
| MinceR | but even if someone at a department of m$ knew how their stuff worked, nobody at any other department would ever get to make use of that knowledge anyway | Sep 29 22:45 |
| MinceR | ah, then i guessed right | Sep 29 22:45 |
| DaemonFC | MinceR, Or would be punished for fixing it. | Sep 29 22:45 |
| DaemonFC | Therefore having no incentive to do so. | Sep 29 22:45 |
| MinceR | it's funny how selling an unfinished product and doing no QA translates to "respect for the profession" in russia | Sep 29 22:45 |
| DaemonFC | MinceR, There's little to no QA done on Windows. They just send it out broken to "Home Edition" users and experiment on them. | Sep 29 22:46 |
| DaemonFC | Then they give the Business customers the option of staying on a branch marked LTS. | Sep 29 22:46 |
| MinceR | yeah, i know | Sep 29 22:47 |
| DaemonFC | If you don't pay up, there's no chance of having ANYTHING that works close to correctly. | Sep 29 22:47 |
| MinceR | no m$ product would survive any actual QA process | Sep 29 22:47 |
| MinceR | DaemonFC: actually even if you do pay up, you don't get anything that is close to working | Sep 29 22:47 |
| MinceR | i've seen what their paying clients get | Sep 29 22:47 |
| MinceR | it's the same broken garbage everyone else gets | Sep 29 22:48 |
| XRevan86 | > it's funny how selling an unfinished product and doing no QA translates to "respect for the profession" in russia | Sep 29 22:48 |
| XRevan86 | Ugh……… | Sep 29 22:48 |
| MinceR | but the people who make such decisions probably get rewarded on the side and certainly don't get reprimanded by their management in any way | Sep 29 22:48 |
| MinceR | "nobody ever got fired for buying *" | Sep 29 22:48 |
| XRevan86 | MinceR: The punchline of the joke is that the details had to be filled to something completely different | Sep 29 22:49 |
| XRevan86 | and that for a stereotypical anecdotal Russian that wasn't something extraordinary | Sep 29 22:50 |
| MinceR | yeah | Sep 29 22:50 |
| MinceR | but the article elaborates on that | Sep 29 22:50 |
| XRevan86 | "you had to file it first, duh" | Sep 29 22:50 |
| MinceR | removing chamfers and the like | Sep 29 22:50 |
| MinceR | my point is that it's the manufacturer's responsibility to remove the chamfers | Sep 29 22:51 |
| MinceR | a workpiece that has chamfers on it is not a finished product | Sep 29 22:51 |
| XRevan86 | MinceR: Ah, that paragraph was about people who work with metal :) | Sep 29 22:51 |
| MinceR | it also reminds me of another joke | Sep 29 22:51 |
| MinceR | about a worker working at a factory that ostensibly makes baby carriages or something like that | Sep 29 22:52 |
| MinceR | steals parts, takes them home and tries to build the product for own use | Sep 29 22:52 |
| XRevan86 | > Is a local meme within turners/millers/grinders and other people of working specialties who work in the industrial sector | Sep 29 22:52 |
| MinceR | but it somehow always ends up being an AK-47 or something like that | Sep 29 22:52 |
| XRevan86 | MinceR: That sounds very similiar :) | Sep 29 22:52 |
| MinceR | though that's either about ensuring that factory tools are specified so they're easily repurposed for military production or about trying to hide the true purpose of war factories | Sep 29 22:53 |
| MinceR | (because of spies and whatever) | Sep 29 22:53 |
| XRevan86 | MinceR: A lot of military industrial complexes in the 90s in Russia were repurposed as frying pans manufacturers | Sep 29 22:54 |
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| XRevan86 | (famously and anecdotally) | Sep 29 22:54 |
| MinceR | :) | Sep 29 22:54 |
| MinceR | the anecdote i heard was that food cans had the right diameter so that their tools could be used to produce artillery shells or something | Sep 29 22:55 |
| XRevan86 | MinceR: So, maybe that factory was repurposed too in the anecdote :) | Sep 29 22:55 |
| XRevan86 | or maybe the punchline is that an AK-47 can be built from anything | Sep 29 22:56 |
| MinceR | yeah | Sep 29 22:56 |
| MinceR | well, i did see a gallery about someone converting a spade into an AK-47 but they also used extra parts and i'm not sure how usable the product ended up being | Sep 29 22:56 |
| MinceR | they seemed to employ some hideously unlikely approaches though | Sep 29 22:57 |
| MinceR | s/spade/shovel/ | Sep 29 22:57 |
| XRevan86 | https://lurkmore.so/images/a/ac/Lopata-drug_soldata.jpg | Sep 29 22:58 |
| XRevan86 | Just an unrelated picture. | Sep 29 22:58 |
| MinceR | http://www.northeastshooters.com/vbulletin/threads/179192-DIY-Shovel-AK-photo-tsunami-warning | Sep 29 22:59 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.northeastshooters.com | DIY: Shovel AK - photo tsunami warning! | Sep 29 22:59 | |
| MinceR | :D | Sep 29 22:59 |
| XRevan86 | MinceR: So, he filled the shovel to the AK-47 :) | Sep 29 23:01 |
| MinceR | for some reason, he also used an AR-15 lower receiver | Sep 29 23:01 |
| MinceR | it's not quite clear to me why someone would do that | Sep 29 23:01 |
| MinceR | but then, that kinda applies to the whole endeavor | Sep 29 23:01 |
| MinceR | ooh, genuine M16A1, even? | Sep 29 23:01 |
| XRevan86 | MinceR: Anyway, an AK with a shovel handle looks most amusing :) | Sep 29 23:05 |
| MinceR | indeed | Sep 29 23:05 |
| MinceR | the text is also amusing | Sep 29 23:05 |
| XRevan86 | > Stolichnaya vodka | Sep 29 23:06 |
| *XRevan86 wonders what brands of vodkas are out there. | Sep 29 23:06 | |
| MinceR | still, i'd pick an HK416 over an AK any day | Sep 29 23:06 |
| XRevan86 | MinceR: Sounds like something more modern and more complicated. | Sep 29 23:07 |
| XRevan86 | AKs beat with their simplicity | Sep 29 23:07 |
| MinceR | HK fixed the main issue the M16/AR-15 had, afaik | Sep 29 23:08 |
| MinceR | and it's modular | Sep 29 23:08 |
| MinceR | so if it shoots bullets, chances are you could build it on this platform | Sep 29 23:08 |
| XRevan86 | MinceR: hmm | Sep 29 23:08 |
| MinceR | you can put all the accessories on it | Sep 29 23:08 |
| MinceR | and it's probably a lot more accurate than any AK | Sep 29 23:08 |
| XRevan86 | MinceR: I doubt one can make one from a shovel though :) | Sep 29 23:09 |
| MinceR | plus it's probably lighter and the ammo is definitely lighter (at least unless you replace the relevant parts to shoot something bigger, i guess) | Sep 29 23:09 |
| MinceR | well, no | Sep 29 23:09 |
| MinceR | there's certainly not enough of the necessary kinds of plastic in a shovel :> | Sep 29 23:09 |
| XRevan86 | > The HK416 uses a HK-proprietary short-stroke gas system that derives from the HK G36, forgoing the expanding gas system standard in AR-15 rifles. | Sep 29 23:09 |
| *XRevan86 flinched | Sep 29 23:09 | |
| MinceR | that's the one | Sep 29 23:09 |
| MinceR | the expanding gas system was probably lighter, but allegedly it keeps getting jammed with stuff | Sep 29 23:10 |
| XRevan86 | > there's certainly not enough of the necessary kinds of plastic in a shovel :> | Sep 29 23:10 |
| XRevan86 | :) | Sep 29 23:10 |
| XRevan86 | a shovel + a 3D printer, then? | Sep 29 23:10 |
| MinceR | probably not | Sep 29 23:10 |
| MinceR | then again, having that lower receiver he started with would probably help | Sep 29 23:11 |
| MinceR | and the equivalent of that AK kit | Sep 29 23:11 |
| MinceR | oh, i guess by "Romy" he means "Romanian" | Sep 29 23:12 |
| MinceR | it would explain the "Mihaela" | Sep 29 23:12 |
| XRevan86 | MinceR: He mentioned "Romanian" in the text | Sep 29 23:12 |
| MinceR | yes, but only in connection with "Mihaela" | Sep 29 23:12 |
| MinceR | everywhere else just "Romy" | Sep 29 23:13 |
| XRevan86 | "Romania" is a rather confusing name | Sep 29 23:16 |
| XRevan86 | I wonder what Italy thinks about that :) | Sep 29 23:17 |
| MinceR | maybe the same thing Greece thinks of Macedonia | Sep 29 23:17 |
| XRevan86 | MinceR: touche | Sep 29 23:17 |
| XRevan86 | > The name "Romania" (România) was first brought to Paris by young Romanian intellectuals in the 1840s, where it was spelled "Roumanie" in order to differentiate Romanians (fr.: Roumains) from Romans (fr.: Romains). The French spelling version (Roumanie) spread then over many countries, such as Britain, Spain, Italy, Germany. | Sep 29 23:18 |
| XRevan86 | > In English, the name of the country was originally borrowed from French "Roumania" (<"Roumanie"), then evolved into "Rumania", but was eventually replaced after World War II by the name used officially: "Romania". | Sep 29 23:18 |
| XRevan86 | So, it was Rumania in English too, but then suddenly… | Sep 29 23:18 |
| XRevan86 | The differentiation issue is there, so I don't get "Romania" instead of "Rumania' or "Roumania"… | Sep 29 23:19 |
| MinceR | like it says, it comes from the official spelling | Sep 29 23:20 |
| XRevan86 | Which is lame :) | Sep 29 23:21 |
| XRevan86 | Why Russia and not Rossia or Rossiya? Ukrayina, Deutschland, etc. | Sep 29 23:22 |
| MinceR | > Two spelling forms: român and rumân were used interchangeably[a] until sociolinguistic developments in the late 17th century led to semantic differentiation of the two forms: rumân came to mean "bondsman", while român retained the original ethnolinguistic meaning.[18] | Sep 29 23:22 |
| MinceR | > The name Russia is derived from Rus, a medieval state populated mostly by the East Slavs. | Sep 29 23:22 |
| XRevan86 | MinceR: Apparently "Roumania" came to be after that in Franch. | Sep 29 23:22 |
| MinceR | > An old Latin version of the name Rus' was Ruthenia, mostly applied to the western and southern regions of Rus' that were adjacent to Catholic Europe. The current name of the country, \u0420\u043e\u0441\u0441\u0438\u044f (Rossija), comes from the Byzantine Greek designation of the Kievan Rus', \u03a1\u03c9\u03c3\u03c3\u03af\u03b1 Rossía\u2014spelled \u03a1\u03c9\u03c3\u03af\u03b1 (Rosía pronounced [ro\u02c8sia]) in Modern Greek.[38] | Sep 29 23:23 |
| MinceR | (thanks, x2x) | Sep 29 23:23 |
| MinceR | https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Russia#Etymology | Sep 29 23:23 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-en.wikipedia.org | Russia - Wikipedia | Sep 29 23:23 | |
| XRevan86 | MinceR: But because of that, there's no good way to apply the word "Russia" to Ukraine and Belarus in English, because it's practically given to "Great Russia"… | Sep 29 23:24 |
| MinceR | doesn't seem to make a difference | Sep 29 23:24 |
| MinceR | lukashenka willingly serves vlad | Sep 29 23:25 |
| MinceR | and there wasn't much resistance when vlad marched his army into ukraine | Sep 29 23:25 |
| MinceR | and his fuck buddy Viktor the First is waiting for some of that army to make a visit and annex hungary | Sep 29 23:25 |
| XRevan86 | MinceR: Meh, politics. | Sep 29 23:26 |
| cubexyz | none of my customers _wanted_ win10 | Sep 29 23:26 |
| MinceR | (which doesn't seem all that likely, considering that hungary isn't much useful to the khuilo, except as a spy in NATO and a lobbyist in the EU) | Sep 29 23:26 |
| XRevan86 | MinceR: I don't like mixing current politics and semantics. | Sep 29 23:26 |
| cubexyz | they went with win7 + never 10 or mint (usually) | Sep 29 23:26 |
| MinceR | cubexyz: your customers are unusually smart, then | Sep 29 23:26 |
| MinceR | ...but i guess they aren't smart enough to go GNU/Linux or BSD :> | Sep 29 23:27 |
| cubexyz | well, I did say some switched to mint | Sep 29 23:27 |
| MinceR | mint is systemd/Linux though | Sep 29 23:27 |
| cubexyz | not ideal, but far better than win10 | Sep 29 23:27 |
| MinceR | the difference is shrinking | Sep 29 23:27 |
| cubexyz | slackware would have been too much for them I think | Sep 29 23:28 |
| MinceR | and control-wise there's practically no difference | Sep 29 23:28 |
| cubexyz | baby steps | Sep 29 23:28 |
| MinceR | m$ controls Backdoors10 directly and Mint via their vassal red hat and systemd | Sep 29 23:28 |
| MinceR | i guess there's also debian and ubuntu in that chain | Sep 29 23:29 |
| cubexyz | if one goes the BSD route you have to be extra careful on what hardware you buy | Sep 29 23:29 |
| MinceR | yeah | Sep 29 23:29 |
| MinceR | and to avoid "NextBSD", FreeBSD and such | Sep 29 23:30 |
| cubexyz | NetBSD is actually appealing to me, since I use a lot of old hardware | Sep 29 23:30 |
| MinceR | > implements new features developed on branches but not yet implemented in FreeBSD. | Sep 29 23:30 |
| MinceR | sounds ominous. | Sep 29 23:30 |
| XRevan86 | MinceR: Windows Defender and systemd are comparable? :) | Sep 29 23:30 |
| MinceR | NextBSD != NetBSD | Sep 29 23:30 |
| MinceR | XRevan86: not yet, i guess | Sep 29 23:30 |
| cubexyz | MinceR, yes, I realize the distinction | Sep 29 23:31 |
| MinceR | systemd is closer to services.exe, svchost.exe and a whole bunch of other crap | Sep 29 23:31 |
| cubexyz | there's also void linux and alpine, as XRevan86 has pointed out | Sep 29 23:31 |
| XRevan86 | MinceR: Well, you're saying it like systemd is almost Windows 10. | Sep 29 23:32 |
| MinceR | wow, even microsoft manages to come up with a more modular design than poettering | Sep 29 23:32 |
| XRevan86 | and there isn't much point in using one rather than the other | Sep 29 23:32 |
| MinceR | XRevan86: Backdoors10 and systemd alike are about taking all control away from the user | Sep 29 23:32 |
| MinceR | and handing it to microsoft | Sep 29 23:32 |
| MinceR | and the NSA | Sep 29 23:32 |
| cubexyz | Mint is better than win10 by far, no comparison | Sep 29 23:32 |
| XRevan86 | Soon: systemd Defender, systemd Store, systemd Edge | Sep 29 23:32 |
| MinceR | yeah, easier to prepare install media for a real OS from mint, for now | Sep 29 23:33 |
| XRevan86 | * systemd-defenderd, systemd-stored, systemd-edged :) | Sep 29 23:33 |
| MinceR | XRevan86: or m$ just buys red hat and renames rHEL to "Windows 11" | Sep 29 23:33 |
| MinceR | s/HEL/HELL/ | Sep 29 23:33 |
| XRevan86 | MinceR: That would be an improvement to Windows %) | Sep 29 23:33 |
| MinceR | it would not be much of a change | Sep 29 23:33 |
| MinceR | especially considering that they'd probably still ban side-loading of software | Sep 29 23:34 |
| MinceR | certain APIs are already only available to applications installed via Windows Store | Sep 29 23:35 |
| MinceR | which works similarly to the crApp Store | Sep 29 23:35 |
| XRevan86 | and RHEL Store | Sep 29 23:36 |
| MinceR | nah, "RHEL" would probably no longer be a brand by then | Sep 29 23:36 |
| MinceR | so i guess the most work would be about making the product much worse than the base on which it is built | Sep 29 23:36 |
| MinceR | just like with OSuX | Sep 29 23:36 |
| MinceR | where they had to fuck up the kernel for the brochure and rip out a fully functional windowing system and replace it with a pathetic toy | Sep 29 23:37 |
| XRevan86 | MinceR: But microkernel! | Sep 29 23:37 |
| MinceR | because it hurt their pride that a bunch of hobbyists would come up with something far more usable than macos ever could be | Sep 29 23:37 |
| MinceR | XRevan86: no, a lie about a microkernel | Sep 29 23:37 |
| XRevan86 | that loads a monolith because they don't do microkernels, not really | Sep 29 23:37 |
| MinceR | and, once they were called out on it, they invented the bullshit term "hybrid kernel" along with m$ | Sep 29 23:38 |
| MinceR | which just means "an extremely bloated monolithic kernel we wish was a microkernel even though we have no idea what microkernel even means" | Sep 29 23:38 |
| cubexyz | there's minix if you want a microkernel os | Sep 29 23:38 |
| XRevan86 | A hybrid kernel: it's like a microkernel but actually isn't. We have no idea why we involved Mach into this. | Sep 29 23:38 |
| MinceR | https://imgur.com/gallery/KKckE | Sep 29 23:39 |
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| MinceR | afaik minix isn't multiserver so it's pointless | Sep 29 23:39 |
| MinceR | you just get the single point of failure in userspace | Sep 29 23:39 |
| MinceR | and you'll still have to reboot when it fails | Sep 29 23:39 |
| cubexyz | minix has some good ideas like their reincarnation server (restarts crashed drivers) | Sep 29 23:39 |
| XRevan86 | MinceR: Security or something :) | Sep 29 23:39 |
| MinceR | HURD would have been fine but they couldn't get it to work properly | Sep 29 23:39 |
| MinceR | and so they gave up | Sep 29 23:39 |
| MinceR | and started working on getting the mother of all single points of failure in userspace | Sep 29 23:40 |
| MinceR | the reincarnation server won't help you when the massive server that held most of the state of the system just crashed | Sep 29 23:40 |
| cubexyz | even infinite loop taming... scheduler lowers priority until it becomes idle | Sep 29 23:40 |
| MinceR | oops, it was the filesystem | Sep 29 23:41 |
| XRevan86 | I never even saw Linux, a monolithic kernel, crash for no reason. | Sep 29 23:41 |
| MinceR | guess it's time to hit Reset | Sep 29 23:41 |
| XRevan86 | Is that such a big deal? | Sep 29 23:41 |
| MinceR | too bad it went out of fashion decades ago | Sep 29 23:41 |
| MinceR | XRevan86: probably not | Sep 29 23:41 |
| XRevan86 | I thought the best thing about microkernels is microservice *isolation* | Sep 29 23:41 |
| MinceR | i saw it crash but it was probably either a hw issue or a hw driver issue | Sep 29 23:41 |
| MinceR | so, how much isolation do you have within a single userspace service? | Sep 29 23:42 |
| XRevan86 | Everything in Linux is exposed to everything in Linux. | Sep 29 23:42 |
| cubexyz | I don't know anyone who uses minix in a production environment | Sep 29 23:42 |
| MinceR | intel does | Sep 29 23:42 |
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| XRevan86 | MinceR: Ah, i thought we're talking about microkernels :) | Sep 29 23:42 |
| MinceR | iirc one of their backdoors is built on it | Sep 29 23:42 |
| MinceR | XRevan86: and we are | Sep 29 23:42 |
| XRevan86 | "hybrids" don't count | Sep 29 23:42 |
| MinceR | afaik the filesystem server in minix does a lot of extra things | Sep 29 23:43 |
| MinceR | in qnx, they merged a lot of servers, allegedly for performance reasons | Sep 29 23:43 |
| MinceR | (in other words, their microkernel failed at its job) | Sep 29 23:43 |
| MinceR | in hurd, they're getting systemd | Sep 29 23:43 |
| XRevan86 | > in hurd, they're getting systemd | Sep 29 23:43 |
| XRevan86 | wat… | Sep 29 23:43 |
| MinceR | https://www.gnu.org/software/hurd/open_issues/systemd.html | Sep 29 23:43 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.gnu.org | systemd | Sep 29 23:43 | |
| MinceR | so either the theory outright failed or humans just aren't advanced enough to develop a multiserver microkernel system | Sep 29 23:44 |
| XRevan86 | MinceR: Don't worry, they won't be able to pull this off %) | Sep 29 23:44 |
| MinceR | yeah, either they'll give up on hurd entirely | Sep 29 23:44 |
| MinceR | because systemd-kerneld is so great and poettering said so | Sep 29 23:44 |
| XRevan86 | > Also note the additional upstart page. | Sep 29 23:45 |
| MinceR | or because they've been losing manpower since forever and there's nobody left to do anything | Sep 29 23:45 |
| XRevan86 | Apparently they just like porting stuff. | Sep 29 23:45 |
| MinceR | or they'll be strangled by red hat | Sep 29 23:45 |
| MinceR | as letting users choose another kernel would be choice, and as such, it is to be avoided at all costs | Sep 29 23:45 |
| MinceR | poettering must determine what kernel everybody uses | Sep 29 23:45 |
| XRevan86 | cubexyz: So, did you try Alpine? :) | Sep 29 23:46 |
| MinceR | until he's no longer useful to his owners at microsoft (once microsoft buys red hat) and he's thrown away | Sep 29 23:46 |
| cubexyz | XRevan86, not yet... soon | Sep 29 23:46 |
| cubexyz | alpine could be a good alternative to BL3, we'll see | Sep 29 23:48 |
| MinceR | oh, also, maybe the Gratis Windows Foundation has some means to shut down hurd and shepherd and they'll use them at red hat's command | Sep 30 00:04 |
| MinceR | https://imgur.com/gallery/D0Ny7 | Sep 30 00:26 |
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| cubexyz | the problem in the old days was the expensive of unix workstations | Sep 30 00:57 |
| cubexyz | so almost everyone flocked to el cheapo white box PCs with windows | Sep 30 00:58 |
| cubexyz | this started in the early 1990s | Sep 30 00:58 |
| cubexyz | so you had a couple of generations that grew up with windows | Sep 30 00:58 |
| cubexyz | back in the late 1980s I really liked Sun4's and SunOS | Sep 30 00:59 |
| cubexyz | if I had the money I would have bought one... it was far superior to everything else at the time | Sep 30 00:59 |
| MinceR | it got worse | Sep 30 01:02 |
| MinceR | so much worse | Sep 30 01:02 |
| cubexyz | BSD based SunOS was quite good | Sep 30 01:03 |
| MinceR | almost as good as the BSD it was based on? | Sep 30 01:04 |
| cubexyz | some of the grey beards really liked SunOS | Sep 30 01:04 |
| cubexyz | I didn't really use it enough to know it well | Sep 30 01:04 |
| cubexyz | proprietary yes, so not ideal | Sep 30 01:05 |
| cubexyz | I'm just saying it was better than windows | Sep 30 01:05 |
| MinceR | and better than slowlaris | Sep 30 01:06 |
| MinceR | again, not saying much | Sep 30 01:06 |
| cubexyz | I actually thought 4.3BSD (or quasijarus, not exactly the same) was a bit messy | Sep 30 01:09 |
| cubexyz | you could run all the basic tcp/ip things on it | Sep 30 01:11 |
| cubexyz | ftp, ntp, ping, telnet, rlogin, sendmail... | Sep 30 01:11 |
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| cubexyz | there really should have been more BSD hobbyists | Sep 30 01:16 |
| cubexyz | but by 1995 it was mostly win95, a horrible era in computing | Sep 30 01:17 |
| cubexyz | and even though I was trying to sell yggdrasil and FreeBSD CDs hardly anyone was buying them | Sep 30 01:17 |
| cubexyz | many times people told me they thought Unix was too hard to learn | Sep 30 01:18 |
| MinceR | https://imgur.com/gallery/6gLxr | Sep 30 01:19 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-That’s a bit of an understatement - Album on Imgur | Sep 30 01:19 | |
| cubexyz | Sir Cosmo Duff Gordon? :) | Sep 30 01:21 |
| MinceR | ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ | Sep 30 01:22 |
| MinceR | oh. | Sep 30 01:22 |
| MinceR | i missed that one | Sep 30 01:23 |
| MinceR | i mean, the name | Sep 30 01:23 |
| linuxme1 | you must be mafioso | Sep 30 01:24 |
| linuxme1 | yep. 1995. i heard them all | Sep 30 01:25 |
| linuxme1 | perl and linux were actually a japanese invention | Sep 30 01:25 |
| XRevan86 | https://youtu.be/pgDHrCn9Z7s | Sep 30 01:25 |
| XRevan86 | reporter: You had some tactic from the start and you stuck with it? | Sep 30 01:25 |
| XRevan86 | the guy: From the start I had some tactic and I stuck with it. | Sep 30 01:25 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-"была ли у вас какая-то тактика с самого начала , которой вы придерживались" ? - YouTube | Sep 30 01:25 | |
| XRevan86 | (03:19:51) MinceR: https://imgur.com/gallery/6gLxr | Sep 30 01:25 |
| XRevan86 | A continuation of the Russia marathon inspired by this :) | Sep 30 01:26 |
| linuxme1 | it was not torvalds who has repeated videos of him admitting it wasn't his, him stealing, and him repeatedly going back to jail. all while on tv | Sep 30 01:26 |
| linuxme1 | he did minix | Sep 30 01:26 |
| linuxme1 | thats all | Sep 30 01:26 |
| linuxme1 | Stallman's a unique person | Sep 30 01:26 |
| linuxme1 | great quotes for a great innovator | Sep 30 01:26 |
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| cubexyz | yeah, ok | Sep 30 01:30 |
| cubexyz | no clue what that was about | Sep 30 01:30 |
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| cubexyz | maybe he meant Ken Brown | Sep 30 01:35 |
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| DaemonFC | https://users.rust-lang.org/t/introducing-encoding-rs-a-browser-oriented-character-encoding-conversion-library/11456 | Sep 30 04:41 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-users.rust-lang.org | Introducing encoding_rs: A browser-oriented character encoding conversion library - announcements - The Rust Programming Language Forum | Sep 30 04:41 | |
| DaemonFC | Firefox 56 gets a new character encoding conversion library written in Rust. | Sep 30 04:41 |
| DaemonFC | https://www.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/56.0/releasenotes/ | Sep 30 04:43 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.mozilla.org | Firefox — Notes (56.0) — Mozilla | Sep 30 04:43 | |
| DaemonFC | https://www.mozilla.org/en-US/security/advisories/mfsa2017-21/ | Sep 30 04:43 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.mozilla.org | Security vulnerabilities fixed in Firefox 56 — Mozilla | Sep 30 04:43 | |
| DaemonFC | A bunch of security vulnerabilities fixed in Firefox 56 and 52.4 ESR. | Sep 30 04:43 |
| DaemonFC | MinceR, As usual, plenty of WebExtensions holes plugged. | Sep 30 04:46 |
| DaemonFC | #CVE-2017-7816: WebExtensions can load about: URLs in extension UI | Sep 30 04:46 |
| DaemonFC | CVE-2017-7821: WebExtensions can download and open non-executable files without user interaction | Sep 30 04:46 |
| DaemonFC | Supposedly as more C++ code gets replaced with code written in Rust, Firefox should have less security problems in general. | Sep 30 04:48 |
| DaemonFC | I guess we'll see. | Sep 30 04:48 |
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| DaemonFC | schestowitz, Facebook will do anything if you have money to give them. | Sep 30 05:10 |
| DaemonFC | The Russians advertised for Trump, Sanders, and Stein. | Sep 30 05:10 |
| DaemonFC | MinceR, I'd rather ignore those Rightscorp emails and take my chances. | Sep 30 05:11 |
| DaemonFC | They've only sued two people near as I can tell. | Sep 30 05:11 |
| DaemonFC | Their business model will fall apart if people simply don't pay. | Sep 30 05:11 |
| DaemonFC | If they take people to court there will just be bankruptcies and then they don't get any money anyway. | Sep 30 05:12 |
| DaemonFC | In exchange for letting Rightscorp monitor your stuff, you get paid half of whatever they can shake people down for. | Sep 30 05:13 |
| DaemonFC | Without dragging your own name down into the mud. | Sep 30 05:13 |
| DaemonFC | It's Rightscorp who does the nasty business of shaking people down. Not Alice in Chains or ELO or Adele. | Sep 30 05:14 |
| DaemonFC | They learned their lesson from Metallica v. Napster. People still hate Metallica for that 18 years later. | Sep 30 05:15 |
| DaemonFC | Bluetooth is so unreliable that I had to get a really long 3.5mm audio cable instead. | Sep 30 05:32 |
| oiaohm | DaemonFC: rust will get rid of particular classes of problems. | Sep 30 05:34 |
| oiaohm | DaemonFC: http://www.cvedetails.com/cve/CVE-2009-4129/ faults like this should disappear with rust | Sep 30 05:36 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.cvedetails.com | CVE-2009-4129 : Race condition in Mozilla Firefox allows remote attackers to produce a JavaScript message with a spoofed domain associat | Sep 30 05:36 | |
| DaemonFC | https://marc.info/?l=openbsd-cvs&m=139776884925793&w=2 | Sep 30 05:40 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-marc.info | 'CVS: cvs.openbsd.org: src' - MARC | Sep 30 05:41 | |
| DaemonFC | LOL | Sep 30 05:41 |
| oiaohm | DaemonFC: the one thing about closing off particular classes of bugs by using a programming language that does not allow them is now attackers go looking for the bug types that can still function. | Sep 30 05:41 |
| oiaohm | DaemonFC: by the way there are a few programs out there that do use openssl big endlin or x86. But that is mostly up there with hey old legacy crud we are using is big endlin and encoded big endlin and we are not willing to run a filter. | Sep 30 05:46 |
| oiaohm | DaemonFC: but it universally thought those people are on drugs due to the performance over head having openssl emualate big endlin compared to converting the data stream decoding and converting back. | Sep 30 05:47 |
| DaemonFC | MinceR, Every time someone on Facebook says "Sending prayers!" I reply "Sending farts!" and wait for them to go nuts. | Sep 30 06:19 |
| DaemonFC | oiaohm, Apple changed AIFF to be little endian without changing the file extension. That was fun. | Sep 30 06:20 |
| schestowitz | [05:10] <DaemonFC> The Russians advertised for Trump, Sanders, and Stein. | Sep 30 06:37 |
| schestowitz | Maybe, maybe not | Sep 30 06:37 |
| schestowitz | or maybe several nations did | Sep 30 06:37 |
| schestowitz | but now there's a new strategy for ousting Trump | Sep 30 06:37 |
| DaemonFC | schestowitz, That would only be if anyone was left who cared about it. | Sep 30 06:38 |
| DaemonFC | And in a position to do something. | Sep 30 06:38 |
| schestowitz | brb | Sep 30 06:39 |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines https://twitter.com/tuxmachines/status/914002807174332416 | Sep 30 06:47 |
| TweetTuxMachines | #Wine 2.18 | Sep 30 06:47 |
| TweetTuxMachines | https://t.co/3eSj06QdTZ (www.tuxmachines.org) #unix #gnu | Sep 30 06:47 |
| TweetTuxMachines | #linux | Sep 30 06:47 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Sep 30 06:47 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Wine 2.18 | Tux Machines | Sep 30 06:47 | |
| DaemonFC | https://blog.mozilla.org/blog/2017/09/06/mozilla-washington-post-reinventing-online-comments/ | Sep 30 06:48 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-blog.mozilla.org | Mozilla and the Washington Post Are Reinventing Online Comments - The Mozilla Blog | Sep 30 06:48 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines https://twitter.com/tuxmachines/status/914003638611333120 | Sep 30 06:49 |
| TweetTuxMachines | #Games: Trackless, The Pirate: Plague of the Dead, | Sep 30 06:49 |
| TweetTuxMachines | #SuddenStrike, #Voxel, #RustedWarfare | Sep 30 06:49 |
| TweetTuxMachines | https://t.co/Ppi7uYK05S (www.tuxmachines.org) | Sep 30 06:49 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Sep 30 06:49 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Games: Trackless, The Pirate: Plague of the Dead, Sudden Strike, Voxel, Rusted Warfare | Tux Machines | Sep 30 06:49 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines https://twitter.com/tuxmachines/status/914004136630390784 | Sep 30 06:50 |
| TweetTuxMachines | #Kubernetes: #OpenStack, Version 1.8, and #SUSE | Sep 30 06:50 |
| TweetTuxMachines | https://t.co/iAZVnStQzy (www.tuxmachines.org) #freesw | Sep 30 06:50 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Kubernetes: OpenStack, Version 1.8, and SUSE | Tux Machines | Sep 30 06:50 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | #container #server | Sep 30 06:50 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Sep 30 06:50 | |
| schestowitz | DaemonFC: censorship | Sep 30 06:50 |
| schestowitz | or demotion at least | Sep 30 06:50 |
| *TweetTuxMachines @schestowitz retweeted @tuxmachines: '#Kubernetes: #OpenStack, Version 1.8, and #SUSE https://t.co/iAZVnStQzy...' | Sep 30 06:54 | |
| *TweetTuxMachines @schestowitz retweeted @tuxmachines: '#Games: Trackless, The Pirate: Plague of the Dead,...' | Sep 30 06:58 | |
| *TweetTuxMachines @Pyrokitteh retweeted @tuxmachines: '#Wine 2.18 https://t.co/3eSj06QdTZ #unix #gnu #linux...' | Sep 30 06:58 | |
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| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/914006524934180865 | Sep 30 07:03 |
| TweetTuxMachines | retweeted by #Wine 2.18 | Sep 30 07:03 |
| TweetTuxMachines | @schestowitz https://t.co/3eSj06QdTZ (www.tuxmachines.org) #unix #gnu | Sep 30 07:03 |
| TweetTuxMachines | #linux | Sep 30 07:03 |
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| DaemonFC | https://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=S3TC-Patent-Expires-Next-Week | Sep 30 09:00 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-The S3TC Patent Finally Expires Next Week - S3 Texture Compression - Phoronix | Sep 30 09:00 | |
| DaemonFC | That was a big pain in the ass because most games use it and many distributions wouldn't ship it by default. | Sep 30 09:00 |
| DaemonFC | https://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=Linux-Extended-LTS-Six-Years | Sep 30 09:02 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Linux To Get "Extended LTS" Releases, Kernel Support For Six Years - Phoronix | Sep 30 09:02 | |
| DaemonFC | https://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=RHEL-7.5-Wayland-Tech-Preview | Sep 30 09:02 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Red Hat Planning For A Wayland Tech Preview In RHEL 7.5 - Phoronix | Sep 30 09:02 | |
| DaemonFC | They consider Wayland stable enough for a "tech preview" version to ship in RHEL 7.5. | Sep 30 09:02 |
| DaemonFC | https://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=Ubuntu-17.10-Final-Beta | Sep 30 09:03 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Ubuntu 17.10 Final Beta Is Ready For Testing - Phoronix | Sep 30 09:03 | |
| DaemonFC | No more 32-bit x86 ISOs but you can still netinstall it. | Sep 30 09:03 |
| DaemonFC | What the hell is this crap? | Sep 30 09:03 |
| DaemonFC | Either kill it or don't. | Sep 30 09:03 |
| DaemonFC | https://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=Microsoft-Open-Source-2017 | Sep 30 09:04 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Microsoft's Open-Source / Linux Announcements So Far In 2017 - Phoronix | Sep 30 09:04 | |
| DaemonFC | schestowitz, It's worse than I thought. | Sep 30 09:04 |
| DaemonFC | "- Microsoft was among the sponsors of Debian's DebConf 17. " | Sep 30 09:04 |
| schestowitz | I already have photonix | Sep 30 09:12 |
| schestowitz | Red Hat is changing Linux | Sep 30 09:12 |
| schestowitz | DaemonFC: Microsoft paid Debian in the past | Sep 30 09:12 |
| schestowitz | so it's not a first | Sep 30 09:12 |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/Metztli_IT/status/914039839128928256 | Sep 30 09:13 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@Metztli_IT: @BI_Enterprise "media merely plays along with an expensive PR… intended to shift attention & systematically… https://t.co/xJj4IxJI1x | Sep 30 09:13 | |
| schestowitz | ""media merely plays along with an expensive PR… intended to shift attention & systematically #launder Microsoft’s reputation"~@Schestowitz" | Sep 30 09:13 |
| schestowitz | http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/105260 | Sep 30 09:13 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Red Hat: Wayland, oVirt and Finance | Tux Machines | Sep 30 09:14 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines https://twitter.com/tuxmachines/status/914040560792608768 | Sep 30 09:14 |
| TweetTuxMachines | #Tizen and #Android (Linux) | Sep 30 09:14 |
| TweetTuxMachines | https://t.co/IKzcYUDZGF (www.tuxmachines.org) #linux | Sep 30 09:14 |
| TweetTuxMachines | #tizenOS | Sep 30 09:14 |
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| TweetTuxMachines | #RedHat: #Wayland, #oVirt and Finance | Sep 30 09:20 |
| TweetTuxMachines | https://t.co/mK6swM9tim (www.tuxmachines.org) #gnu #linux | Sep 30 09:20 |
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| TweetTuxMachines | Open Source Initiative | Sep 30 09:20 |
| TweetTuxMachines | https://t.co/rh8KYUdy5R (www.tuxmachines.org) #osi news | Sep 30 09:20 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Open Source Initiative | Tux Machines | Sep 30 09:20 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines https://twitter.com/tuxmachines/status/914042209703522304 | Sep 30 09:21 |
| TweetTuxMachines | #Openwashing and #FUD | Sep 30 09:21 |
| TweetTuxMachines | https://t.co/ya2w3NQmRi (www.tuxmachines.org) #freesw | Sep 30 09:21 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Openwashing and FUD | Tux Machines | Sep 30 09:21 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines https://twitter.com/tuxmachines/status/914042568094175232 | Sep 30 09:24 |
| TweetTuxMachines | #Humanoid social robot is customizable via Android/ROS | Sep 30 09:24 |
| TweetTuxMachines | SDK | Sep 30 09:24 |
| TweetTuxMachines | https://t.co/KGFBZoDHb1 (www.tuxmachines.org) #robotics | Sep 30 09:24 |
| TweetTuxMachines | #ros #android #linux | Sep 30 09:24 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Humanoid social robot is customizable via Android/ROS SDK | Tux Machines | Sep 30 09:24 | |
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| TweetTuxMachines | retweeted by #Tizen and #Android (Linux) | Sep 30 09:59 |
| TweetTuxMachines | @schestowitz https://t.co/IKzcYUDZGF (www.tuxmachines.org) #linux | Sep 30 09:59 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Tizen and Android (Linux) | Tux Machines | Sep 30 09:59 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines https://twitter.com/tuxmachines/status/914052066586263552 | Sep 30 10:04 |
| TweetTuxMachines | #KDE / #Qt : Qt Desktops, KDE e.V. Board Dinner, #KWin / | Sep 30 10:05 |
| TweetTuxMachines | #Wayland, #Privacy, #KTimer, #Plasma 5.11 Beta | Sep 30 10:05 |
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| TweetTuxMachines | retweeted by Software: #DAEMONSync, #Syncthing, #Coffee, #Hotspot, | Sep 30 10:23 |
| TweetTuxMachines | @schestowitz #Chromium, and #Skype | Sep 30 10:23 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Android Leftovers | Tux Machines | Sep 30 10:34 | |
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| XRevan86 | https://theguardian.com/science/2017/sep/01/paolo-macchiarini-scientist-surgeon-rise-and-fall | Sep 30 11:36 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.theguardian.com | Dr Con Man: the rise and fall of a celebrity scientist who fooled almost everyone | Science | The Guardian | Sep 30 11:36 | |
| XRevan86 | Funny how a documentary about this man was called "A Leap of Faith" | Sep 30 11:36 |
| XRevan86 | Tells something about leaps of faith :). | Sep 30 11:37 |
| schestowitz | haha | Sep 30 11:44 |
| schestowitz | well, they frame as "faith" all sorts of things | Sep 30 11:44 |
| schestowitz | but not Catholicism etc. | Sep 30 11:44 |
| schestowitz | because it might "offend" or "trigger" the Conservative readers | Sep 30 11:45 |
| XRevan86 | schestowitz: Catholicism is not framed as "faith"? o_0 | Sep 30 11:46 |
| schestowitz | it's a lifestyle :-) | Sep 30 11:46 |
| XRevan86 | schestowitz: So, to be a Catholic, I don't need to believe in god or visit church, instead I need to eat bacon&eggs for breakfast? :) | Sep 30 11:47 |
| XRevan86 | Or visiting church is mandatory as a part of the lifestyle? %) | Sep 30 11:49 |
| XRevan86 | schestowitz: I'm not getting it :0 | Sep 30 11:55 |
| XRevan86 | :) | Sep 30 11:55 |
| XRevan86 | The Russian Orthodox Church brags about faith all the time, about how awesome it is to Believe in something (like MMM, amirite?) and even necessary. | Sep 30 12:09 |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines https://twitter.com/RikGommers/status/914066338074828800 | Sep 30 12:15 |
| TweetTuxMachines | retweeted by #MySQL 8.0 and Alibaba's #MariaDB Bet | Sep 30 12:15 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | MySQL 8.0 and Alibaba's MariaDB Bet | Tux Machines | Sep 30 12:15 | |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | today's leftovers | Tux Machines | Sep 30 12:30 | |
| *TweetTuxMachines @schestowitz retweeted @tuxmachines: '#Servers: #Kubernetes 1.8, #Blockchain, #Microservices, #ClearLinux https://t.co/l4Goo42dJD...' | Sep 30 12:33 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Servers: Kubernetes 1.8, Blockchain, Microservices, Clear Linux | Tux Machines | Sep 30 12:33 | |
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| TweetTuxMachines | retweeted by Ubuntu: Full Circle Magazine and #Ubuntu Desktop, Server | Sep 30 13:02 |
| TweetTuxMachines | @schestowitz https://t.co/0SPc6VbuwM (www.tuxmachines.org) #canonical | Sep 30 13:02 |
| TweetTuxMachines | #gnu #linux | Sep 30 13:02 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Ubuntu: Full Circle Magazine and Ubuntu Desktop, Server | Tux Machines | Sep 30 13:02 | |
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| TweetTuxMachines | retweeted by OSS: Code for #NFV (OPNFV), Code for '3D Selfies', Code | Sep 30 13:07 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | OSS: Code for NFV (OPNFV), Code for '3D Selfies', Code for Beeline and More | Tux Machines | Sep 30 13:07 | |
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| *TweetTuxMachines saw that retweet of @tuxmachinesby @schestowitz too | Sep 30 13:22 | |
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| MinceR | https://imgur.com/r/Justrolledintotheshop/QIVLD | Sep 30 14:10 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-We got a police cruiser in the shop today - Album on Imgur | Sep 30 14:10 | |
| MinceR | https://random.cat/i/eEcqu.jpg | Sep 30 14:26 |
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| MinceR | https://imgur.com/gallery/S9KztDK | Sep 30 14:41 |
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| robobox2 | is Trisquel Mini 6 a good GNU/Linux distro? I am trying it right now | Sep 30 18:05 |
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| MinceR | no | Sep 30 18:20 |
| MinceR | afaik it's at least as broken as Debian systemd/Linux | Sep 30 18:21 |
| MinceR | the only thing that delayed the cancer in trisquel was that they were way behind upstream (debian) | Sep 30 18:22 |
| MinceR | https://i.imgur.com/hkPjl67.jpg | Sep 30 18:27 |
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| *TweetTuxMachines @tuxmachines favourited '@ManCity @DeBruyneKev Not Chelsea's year. Back on top...' | Sep 30 18:58 | |
| *TweetTuxMachines @tuxmachines favourited retweet 'RT @schestowitz: @ManCity @DeBruyneKev Not Chelsea's year. Back...' | Sep 30 18:59 | |
| robobox2 | MinceR: Mini 6 was based on Ubuntu 12.04 | Sep 30 19:12 |
| *TweetTuxMachines @tuxmachines favourited '@ManCity @DeBruyneKev https://t.co/w6c96nwVeL' | Sep 30 19:12 | |
| *TweetTuxMachines @tuxmachines favourited '@USAneedsTRUMP @realDonaldTrump Welcome to turnkey tyranny, with NDAA...' | Sep 30 19:12 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz: @ManCity @DeBruyneKev https://t.co/w6c96nwVeL | Sep 30 19:12 | |
| *TweetTuxMachines @tuxmachines favourited retweet 'RT @schestowitz: @USAneedsTRUMP @realDonaldTrump Welcome to turnkey tyranny,...' | Sep 30 19:12 | |
| *TweetTuxMachines @tuxmachines favourited '@USAneedsTRUMP @realDonaldTrump As he put it https://t.co/iOpARfnVvU' | Sep 30 19:12 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz: @USAneedsTRUMP @realDonaldTrump As he put it https://t.co/iOpARfnVvU | Sep 30 19:12 | |
| *TweetTuxMachines @tuxmachines favourited retweet 'RT @schestowitz: @USAneedsTRUMP @realDonaldTrump As he put it...' | Sep 30 19:12 | |
| *TweetTuxMachines @tuxmachines favourited '@USAneedsTRUMP @realDonaldTrump Your time is coming https://t.co/YrgprTmSb1' | Sep 30 19:12 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz: @USAneedsTRUMP @realDonaldTrump Your time is coming https://t.co/YrgprTmSb1 | Sep 30 19:12 | |
| *TweetTuxMachines @tuxmachines favourited retweet 'RT @schestowitz: @USAneedsTRUMP @realDonaldTrump Your time is coming...' | Sep 30 19:12 | |
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| *TweetTuxMachines @tuxmachines favourited '@USAneedsTRUMP @realDonaldTrump This is what US politics have...' | Sep 30 19:13 | |
| *TweetTuxMachines @tuxmachines favourited retweet 'RT @schestowitz: @USAneedsTRUMP @realDonaldTrump This is what US...' | Sep 30 19:13 | |
| *TweetTuxMachines @tuxmachines favourited '@USAneedsTRUMP @realDonaldTrump The media hold you accountable for...' | Sep 30 19:13 | |
| MinceR | ah, so it's even more broken, like ubuntu? | Sep 30 19:17 |
| *TweetTuxMachines @tuxmachines favourited retweet 'RT @schestowitz: @USAneedsTRUMP @realDonaldTrump The media hold you...' | Sep 30 19:26 | |
| *TweetTuxMachines @tuxmachines favourited '@ManCity Wow! Clean sheet 5 games in a...' | Sep 30 19:26 | |
| DaemonFC | MinceR, I hate how Mozilla does their speed tests on Firefox and just calls it "Ubuntu 16". | Sep 30 19:28 |
| DaemonFC | Ubuntu 16? That could be two very different versions. | Sep 30 19:28 |
| DaemonFC | MinceR, For some reason, Fedora has disabled Firefox's Stylo CSS engine at compile time. | Sep 30 19:29 |
| DaemonFC | I haven't figured out why. Eventually they won't have the option though, so oh well. | Sep 30 19:29 |
| DaemonFC | The old CSS engine won't be around for long because who wants to carry two sets of code that do the same thing, only one of them is doing it slower and using more resources? | Sep 30 19:30 |
| DaemonFC | Heh, nice. Firefox 57 picks up some more things from your GTK theme. | Sep 30 19:40 |
| DaemonFC | MinceR, https://scontent-dft4-3.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t31.0-8/22136929_1571112229598715_236046570862690437_o.jpg?oh=b7700c9fbeab7a16349891b7e5bead49&oe=5A422000 | Sep 30 19:42 |
| DaemonFC | Someone is leaving these on CTA trains, putting them over the official warnings. | Sep 30 19:42 |
| DaemonFC | schestowitz might like that too. | Sep 30 19:43 |
| DaemonFC | Warning: Mosh pit on track level. :) | Sep 30 19:43 |
| DaemonFC | Everyone is getting fried by 600 volts of direct current. :D | Sep 30 19:44 |
| MinceR | expecting mozilla doing something reasonably? | Sep 30 19:48 |
| *TweetTuxMachines @tuxmachines favourited '@ManCity https://t.co/8wpMieM3hG' | Sep 30 19:48 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz: @ManCity https://t.co/8wpMieM3hG | Sep 30 19:48 | |
| MinceR | s/doing/to do/ | Sep 30 19:48 |
| MinceR | oh, clever. midori only _pretends_ to save pages, but doesn't actually save anything. | Sep 30 19:50 |
| MinceR | i guess displaying "oh hey, we actually couldn't be bothered to implement this" would have been too much fucking work | Sep 30 19:50 |
| MinceR | all. browsers. suck. | Sep 30 19:51 |
| DaemonFC | MinceR, That's probably the WebkitGTK+ bug. | Sep 30 19:51 |
| MinceR | could be | Sep 30 19:52 |
| DaemonFC | I remember something like that affecting GNOME Web. | Sep 30 19:52 |
| MinceR | i guess webkitgtk is still a huge pile of shit | Sep 30 19:52 |
| DaemonFC | Update to WebkitGTK+ 2.18. | Sep 30 19:52 |
| MinceR | and so's electron | Sep 30 19:52 |
| MinceR | qt5 won't even build. | Sep 30 19:52 |
| DaemonFC | Electrion? That's basically Chromium. | Sep 30 19:52 |
| MinceR | oh, right, chromium is also a huge pile of shit | Sep 30 19:52 |
| DaemonFC | MinceR, Electron apps are easy to write but horribly bloated. | Sep 30 19:53 |
| MinceR | and broken. | Sep 30 19:53 |
| MinceR | all this wants me to have good old khtml | Sep 30 19:54 |
| DaemonFC | MinceR, You mean the thing that can't render much except Wikipedia anymore? | Sep 30 19:57 |
| MinceR | ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ | Sep 30 19:57 |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines https://twitter.com/tuxmachines/status/914200337967280128 | Sep 30 19:59 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Today in Techrights https://t.co/7BCHJrY2Hg | Sep 30 19:59 |
| TweetTuxMachines | (www.tuxmachines.org) | Sep 30 19:59 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Today in Techrights | Tux Machines | Sep 30 19:59 | |
| DaemonFC | Commander Frosted Flakes says: | Sep 30 20:01 |
| DaemonFC | (Change) | Sep 30 20:01 |
| DaemonFC | The Federal fair housing laws do not mention sexual orientation at all. | Sep 30 20:01 |
| DaemonFC | The Obama administration was arguing in court they applied because of the protection of familial status, but the Trump administration inherited the lawsuit and changed its position to "these laws don't protect gay people at all", and that's what the Solicitor General for the United States is now arguing in court. | Sep 30 20:01 |
| DaemonFC | Sorry, but "close enough" is only good enough for horseshoes and hand grenades. Without the Illinois laws, there is nothing protecting me from discrimination in public accommodation unless Anthony Kennedy decides that there is. | Sep 30 20:01 |
| DaemonFC | If the Christian Fundamentalists win their lawsuit, they bring Indiana's RFRA to every state in the country, even if those states *had* stronger civil rights laws. Their goal is to impose RFRA on states that didn't pass it. | Sep 30 20:01 |
| MinceR | ooh, konqueror opens into a crash dialog | Sep 30 20:03 |
| MinceR | quality software! | Sep 30 20:03 |
| robobox2 | i tried konqueror 3.5.2 a while ago | Sep 30 20:03 |
| robobox2 | didnt even load wikipedia.org | Sep 30 20:03 |
| DaemonFC | KHTML isn't good for much other than rendering some HTML that remains in KDE itself. | Sep 30 20:04 |
| DaemonFC | Like the Classic Control Panel stuff. | Sep 30 20:04 |
| MinceR | i think this konqueror is even supposed to use webkit | Sep 30 20:06 |
| DaemonFC | Commander Frosted Flakes says: | Sep 30 20:07 |
| DaemonFC | (Change) | Sep 30 20:07 |
| DaemonFC | You give us about another generation of Christian Homeskeweling and vouchers and there won't be anyone left in Indiana who remembers how modern technology works. | Sep 30 20:07 |
| DaemonFC | It's exactly the kind of state that would have something like RFRA. | Sep 30 20:07 |
| DaemonFC | MinceR, ^ | Sep 30 20:07 |
| DaemonFC | Hungary can't be worse than that, can it? | Sep 30 20:07 |
| MinceR | it is | Sep 30 20:07 |
| MinceR | hungary doesn't even have the resources to be self-sufficient | Sep 30 20:07 |
| MinceR | yet Viktor the First pretends we can just piss off everyone and break all ties to everything | Sep 30 20:08 |
| robobox2 | I don't know how Webkit became popular because it was made by Apple... | Sep 30 20:09 |
| DaemonFC | MinceR, Do you see it becoming another failed state that requires EU bailout payments or has it gotten there already? | Sep 30 20:11 |
| MinceR | not sure, but it's probably there already | Sep 30 20:12 |
| DaemonFC | I was shocked to look aat just what happened to the economy of Greece. Economic output slashed by more than a third over the course of a couple of years. | Sep 30 20:12 |
| MinceR | it gets a lot of money from the EU | Sep 30 20:12 |
| DaemonFC | That's worse than anything I've seen. Worse than Japan. | Sep 30 20:12 |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines https://twitter.com/tuxmachines/status/914203062931161089 | Sep 30 20:12 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Our Last Time #Benchmarking #Ubuntu 32-bit vs. 64-bit | Sep 30 20:12 |
| TweetTuxMachines | https://t.co/2OfttmLYSO (www.tuxmachines.org) #gnu | Sep 30 20:12 |
| TweetTuxMachines | #linux #benchmark | Sep 30 20:12 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Our Last Time Benchmarking Ubuntu 32-bit vs. 64-bit | Tux Machines | Sep 30 20:12 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines https://twitter.com/tuxmachines/status/914206260022607872 | Sep 30 20:12 |
| TweetTuxMachines | #DragonFlyBSD 5.0 Branched As The Next Release | Sep 30 20:12 |
| TweetTuxMachines | https://t.co/zidlvf4pys (www.tuxmachines.org) #bsd #unix | Sep 30 20:13 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | DragonFlyBSD 5.0 Branched As The Next Release | Tux Machines | Sep 30 20:13 | |
| DaemonFC | MinceR, Even drowning in debt, Greece wants to spend 500 million Euro updating their Hydra class destroyers. (They have four of them.) | Sep 30 20:13 |
| DaemonFC | It's amazing what still gets prioritized when the government is broke, isn't it? | Sep 30 20:13 |
| DaemonFC | I mean, people are burning furniture for heat and the government is worried about some military spending that can wait a few years. | Sep 30 20:14 |
| MinceR | maybe they don't want erdogan to get any funny ideas | Sep 30 20:14 |
| DaemonFC | MinceR, Besides, it's not like anyone is going to invade them and they probably couldn't get much worse if they did. | Sep 30 20:15 |
| DaemonFC | The banks already effectively have invaded and overthrown the government. | Sep 30 20:15 |
| DaemonFC | bbiab | Sep 30 20:16 |
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| *TweetTuxMachines @schestowitz retweeted @tuxmachines: 'Our Last Time #Benchmarking #Ubuntu 32-bit vs. 64-bit...' | Sep 30 20:17 | |
| MinceR | https://imgur.com/gallery/kfunv | Sep 30 20:22 |
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| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/914207708479475715 | Sep 30 20:27 |
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| TweetTuxMachines | retweeted by #Tizen and #Android (Linux) | Sep 30 20:28 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | GPD Pocket Ubuntu Editon Review | Tux Machines | Sep 30 20:28 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @Dummy_2_Geeks (www.tuxmachines.org) #ubuntu #gnu #linux | Sep 30 20:28 |
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| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/914210475684057088 | Sep 30 20:29 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Add-on brings the Raspberry Pi into the sub-1GHz RF world | Tux Machines | Sep 30 20:30 | |
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| TweetTuxMachines | retweeted by #Programming: #FreeBSD, 'Outraged' Programmers, and Kid | Sep 30 20:30 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Programming: FreeBSD, 'Outraged' Programmers, and Kid Programmers | Tux Machines | Sep 30 20:30 | |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | System76's Pop!_OS Now in Beta | Tux Machines | Sep 30 20:33 | |
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| *TweetTuxMachines @tuxmachines favourited '@SenWarren @CarmenYulinCruz Impeachment could not come any sooner...' | Sep 30 20:33 | |
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| *TweetTuxMachines @tuxmachines favourited '@SmashPastor @realDonaldTrump What a scam https://t.co/UO5VI3Ua6O' | Sep 30 20:34 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz: @SmashPastor @realDonaldTrump What a scam https://t.co/UO5VI3Ua6O | Sep 30 20:34 | |
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| *TweetTuxMachines @tuxmachines favourited '@SenWarren @realDonaldTrump And about Trump... https://t.co/KEpAyJdnMz' | Sep 30 20:36 | |
| *TweetTuxMachines @tuxmachines favourited '@SenWarren @realDonaldTrump This is how civilised citizens feel...' | Sep 30 20:36 | |
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| *TweetTuxMachines @tuxmachines favourited '@SenWarren @realDonaldTrump Need more leakers among his ranks...' | Sep 30 20:37 | |
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| *TweetTuxMachines @tuxmachines favourited '@PittsburghSlim @realDonaldTrump This is what politics looks like...' | Sep 30 20:48 | |
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| *TweetTuxMachines @tuxmachines favourited '@PittsburghSlim @realDonaldTrump Their best comeback lines... https://t.co/hoGyxph2IK' | Sep 30 20:48 | |
| *TweetTuxMachines @tuxmachines favourited '@PittsburghSlim @realDonaldTrump People who vote based on superficiality...' | Sep 30 20:48 | |
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| *TweetTuxMachines @tuxmachines favourited '@PittsburghSlim @realDonaldTrump Time to go ma'am... https://t.co/VDLIT1tpfC' | Sep 30 20:48 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz: @PittsburghSlim @realDonaldTrump Time to go ma'am... https://t.co/VDLIT1tpfC | Sep 30 20:48 | |
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| *TweetTuxMachines @tuxmachines favourited '@PittsburghSlim @realDonaldTrump Showbiz is his only skill, abusing...' | Sep 30 20:48 | |
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| *TweetTuxMachines @tuxmachines favourited '@PittsburghSlim @realDonaldTrump True https://t.co/B9RnY5ZNOQ' | Sep 30 20:49 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz: @PittsburghSlim @realDonaldTrump True https://t.co/B9RnY5ZNOQ | Sep 30 20:49 | |
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| *TweetTuxMachines @tuxmachines favourited '@SenWarren @POTUS These are the "other side" (to...' | Sep 30 20:49 | |
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| *TweetTuxMachines @tuxmachines favourited '@PalmerReport @realDonaldTrump Time to impeach, or work towards...' | Sep 30 21:04 | |
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| *TweetTuxMachines @tuxmachines favourited '@PalmerReport @realDonaldTrump He uses race baiting to loot...' | Sep 30 21:04 | |
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| *TweetTuxMachines @tuxmachines favourited '@PalmerReport @realDonaldTrump But it doesn't matter what happens;...' | Sep 30 21:04 | |
| *TweetTuxMachines @tuxmachines favourited retweet 'RT @schestowitz: @PalmerReport @realDonaldTrump But it doesn't matter...' | Sep 30 21:04 | |
| *TweetTuxMachines @tuxmachines favourited '@PalmerReport @realDonaldTrump And even those authoritarians who don't...' | Sep 30 21:04 | |
| *TweetTuxMachines @tuxmachines favourited retweet 'RT @schestowitz: @PalmerReport @realDonaldTrump And even those authoritarians...' | Sep 30 21:04 | |
| *TweetTuxMachines @tuxmachines favourited '@PalmerReport @realDonaldTrump And romancing with other Conservative loons...' | Sep 30 21:04 | |
| *TweetTuxMachines @tuxmachines favourited retweet 'RT @schestowitz: @PalmerReport @realDonaldTrump And romancing with other...' | Sep 30 21:04 | |
| *TweetTuxMachines @tuxmachines favourited '@PalmerReport @realDonaldTrump He was cusy f* about https://t.co/2XkYAVM3Uh' | Sep 30 21:04 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz: @PalmerReport @realDonaldTrump He was cusy f* about https://t.co/2XkYAVM3Uh | Sep 30 21:04 | |
| *TweetTuxMachines @tuxmachines favourited '@parkerbutler10 @realDonaldTrump @ricardorossello And his "assets" too https://t.co/pLVp33I0aT' | Sep 30 21:04 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz: @parkerbutler10 @realDonaldTrump @ricardorossello And his "assets" too https://t.co/pLVp33I0aT | Sep 30 21:04 | |
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| *TweetTuxMachines @tuxmachines favourited '@parkerbutler10 @realDonaldTrump @ricardorossello His days are numbered https://t.co/3JQezyr5Cx' | Sep 30 21:04 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz: @parkerbutler10 @realDonaldTrump @ricardorossello His days are numbered https://t.co/3JQezyr5Cx | Sep 30 21:04 | |
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| *TweetTuxMachines @tuxmachines favourited '@Opesi_ @realDonaldTrump @ricardorossello Liar, liar https://t.co/dw3Jq8pKR1' | Sep 30 21:04 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz: @Opesi_ @realDonaldTrump @ricardorossello Liar, liar https://t.co/dw3Jq8pKR1 | Sep 30 21:04 | |
| *TweetTuxMachines @tuxmachines favourited retweet 'RT @schestowitz: @Opesi_ @realDonaldTrump @ricardorossello Liar, liar https://t.co/dw3Jq8pKR1' | Sep 30 21:04 | |
| *TweetTuxMachines @tuxmachines favourited '@Opesi_ @realDonaldTrump @ricardorossello And remember, what happens in...' | Sep 30 21:04 | |
| *TweetTuxMachines @tuxmachines favourited retweet 'RT @schestowitz: @Opesi_ @realDonaldTrump @ricardorossello And remember, what...' | Sep 30 21:04 | |
| *TweetTuxMachines @tuxmachines favourited '@StrongDemocrat @realDonaldTrump https://t.co/kOnS3SWxXE' | Sep 30 21:04 | |
| *TweetTuxMachines @tuxmachines favourited '@StrongDemocrat @realDonaldTrump best he can do is tweet...' | Sep 30 21:04 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz: @StrongDemocrat @realDonaldTrump https://t.co/kOnS3SWxXE | Sep 30 21:04 | |
| *TweetTuxMachines @tuxmachines favourited retweet 'RT @schestowitz: @StrongDemocrat @realDonaldTrump best he can do...' | Sep 30 21:04 | |
| *TweetTuxMachines @tuxmachines favourited '@StrongDemocrat @realDonaldTrump Can't help himself https://t.co/8C19dyjsQd' | Sep 30 21:04 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz: @StrongDemocrat @realDonaldTrump Can't help himself https://t.co/8C19dyjsQd | Sep 30 21:04 | |
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| *TweetTuxMachines @tuxmachines favourited retweet 'RT @schestowitz: @StrongDemocrat @realDonaldTrump Can't help himself https://t.co/8C19dyjsQd' | Sep 30 21:18 | |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | GPD Pocket Ubuntu Editon Review | Tux Machines | Sep 30 21:19 | |
| MinceR | https://i.imgur.com/hx1j0Et.png | Sep 30 21:33 |
| *TweetTuxMachines @tuxmachines favourited '@donaldJTrump_ru @realDonaldTrump According to Fox, however, Trump is...' | Sep 30 21:44 | |
| *TweetTuxMachines @tuxmachines favourited '@donaldJTrump_ru @realDonaldTrump To be fair, Trump does get...' | Sep 30 21:44 | |
| *TweetTuxMachines @tuxmachines favourited retweet 'RT @schestowitz: @donaldJTrump_ru @realDonaldTrump To be fair, Trump...' | Sep 30 21:44 | |
| *TweetTuxMachines @tuxmachines favourited '@donaldJTrump_ru @realDonaldTrump Can't even properly speak English after...' | Sep 30 21:44 | |
| *TweetTuxMachines @tuxmachines favourited retweet 'RT @schestowitz: @donaldJTrump_ru @realDonaldTrump Can't even properly speak...' | Sep 30 21:44 | |
| *TweetTuxMachines @tuxmachines favourited '@donaldJTrump_ru @realDonaldTrump Liar. Silences his people. Loves to...' | Sep 30 21:44 | |
| *TweetTuxMachines @tuxmachines favourited retweet 'RT @schestowitz: @donaldJTrump_ru @realDonaldTrump Liar. Silences his people....' | Sep 30 21:44 | |
| *TweetTuxMachines @tuxmachines favourited '@donaldJTrump_ru @realDonaldTrump It's a good thing there's Trump...' | Sep 30 21:44 | |
| *TweetTuxMachines @tuxmachines favourited retweet 'RT @schestowitz: @donaldJTrump_ru @realDonaldTrump It's a good thing...' | Sep 30 21:45 | |
| *TweetTuxMachines @tuxmachines favourited '@donaldJTrump_ru @realDonaldTrump Good thing she doesn't speak Spanish...' | Sep 30 21:45 | |
| *TweetTuxMachines @tuxmachines favourited retweet 'RT @schestowitz: @donaldJTrump_ru @realDonaldTrump Good thing she doesn't...' | Sep 30 21:45 | |
| *TweetTuxMachines @tuxmachines favourited '@donaldJTrump_ru @realDonaldTrump Trump working hard to save PR...' | Sep 30 21:45 | |
| *TweetTuxMachines @tuxmachines favourited retweet 'RT @schestowitz: @donaldJTrump_ru @realDonaldTrump Trump working hard to...' | Sep 30 21:45 | |
| *TweetTuxMachines @tuxmachines favourited retweet 'RT @schestowitz: @donaldJTrump_ru @realDonaldTrump Da. Da. https://t.co/I3EuWpz8N3' | Sep 30 21:45 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz: @donaldJTrump_ru @realDonaldTrump Da. Da. https://t.co/I3EuWpz8N3 | Sep 30 21:45 | |
| *TweetTuxMachines @tuxmachines favourited '@donaldJTrump_ru @realDonaldTrump Da. Da. https://t.co/I3EuWpz8N3' | Sep 30 21:46 | |
| *TweetTuxMachines @tuxmachines favourited '@CCFCheetah Trump's two sons murder cheetahs for fun,...' | Sep 30 21:48 | |
| *TweetTuxMachines @tuxmachines favourited '@elielcruz @jpbrammer Like the thing Clinton did in...' | Sep 30 21:48 | |
| MinceR | https://i.imgur.com/7uJcjIQ.gif | Sep 30 21:58 |
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| DaemonFC | Flatpak seems a bit bloated. | Sep 30 22:09 |
| DaemonFC | To install the Firefox Developer Edition Flatpak, you need to install GNOME libs from GNOME 3.24. Like 250 MB of them. | Sep 30 22:09 |
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| *TweetTuxMachines @tuxmachines favourited retweet 'RT @schestowitz: @elielcruz @jpbrammer Like the thing Clinton...' | Sep 30 22:15 | |
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| DaemonFC | And it doesn't respect your system theme. | Sep 30 22:17 |
| DaemonFC | This needs work. How is this superior to just downloading a Firefox bundle from Mozilla? | Sep 30 22:17 |
| schestowitz | DaemonFC: here's a thing | Sep 30 22:18 |
| schestowitz | I installed Firefox today | Sep 30 22:18 |
| schestowitz | twice | Sep 30 22:18 |
| schestowitz | and it crashed upon start | Sep 30 22:18 |
| schestowitz | once in a kde instance | Sep 30 22:18 |
| schestowitz | kf5 | Sep 30 22:18 |
| schestowitz | then gnome latest | Sep 30 22:18 |
| schestowitz | under chroot in crooton | Sep 30 22:19 |
| schestowitz | very odd | Sep 30 22:19 |
| schestowitz | the maintainer works for Google, so... | Sep 30 22:19 |
| DaemonFC | I've been trying out Developer Edition. | Sep 30 22:23 |
| MinceR | https://imgur.com/gallery/lwdY8 | Sep 30 22:23 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-One time for you and another for me - Album on Imgur | Sep 30 22:23 | |
| DaemonFC | It has all that new Rust code and the new theme. | Sep 30 22:23 |
| MinceR | and mozilla making decisions for you | Sep 30 22:23 |
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| DaemonFC | https://wiki.mozilla.org/Oxidation | Sep 30 22:30 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-wiki.mozilla.org | Oxidation - MozillaWiki | Sep 30 22:30 | |
| DaemonFC | There's the status of Rust components. | Sep 30 22:30 |
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| DaemonFC | https://omtcyfz.github.io/2017/03/26/Rust-from-a-C++-programmers-perspective.html | Sep 30 22:41 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-omtcyfz.github.io | Rust from a C++ programmer's perspective | Sep 30 22:41 | |
| DaemonFC | "One of the problems C and C++ have to face is that there are too many compilers and most of them are horrible. Developers have to use obsolete standards (e.g. C++03 and even C++98) just because some compilers do not (fully) support modern ones. This prevents migration to newer standards and makes it harder to write good-quality code. There is also a number of closed compilers, which doesn’t make things easier. GC | Sep 30 22:42 |
| DaemonFC | C implements its own language extensions and while many projects make use of them it forces other compilers to support these extensions, sometimes they conflict with new standards and it makes things even more complicated. MSVC (until recently) couldn’t fully comply with C++11 and many projects dependent on Windows MSVC builds had or even now have to prohibit the the use some features in order to build with MSVC. T | Sep 30 22:42 |
| DaemonFC | o some degree, C++ compilers do very different things, some of which disrupt stability of the project builds on different platforms using different toolchains." | Sep 30 22:42 |
| DaemonFC | I think that was mostly a dig at MSVC. | Sep 30 22:42 |
| XRevan86 | DaemonFC: There are only two compilers worthy of consideration. | Sep 30 22:43 |
| DaemonFC | But he's correct that even though there's a standard, there are many compilers for C/C++ and they all make different interpretations of the standard at some point along the way, which can lead to unexpected results, so compiling that stuff with multiple compilers and seeing what the program does when you run it is the way to go. | Sep 30 22:43 |
| DaemonFC | Clang tries to be compatible with GCC though. | Sep 30 22:44 |
| XRevan86 | GCC is the standard de-facto of C/C++ compilers these days. | Sep 30 22:44 |
| DaemonFC | XRevan86, With Rust, there's only really one compiler. | Sep 30 22:44 |
| DaemonFC | So as long as they don't proliferate, the situation should be better on that front. | Sep 30 22:45 |
| MinceR | one does not have to support MSVC | Sep 30 22:45 |
| XRevan86 | DaemonFC: I don't see a practical difference of that with GCC %). | Sep 30 22:45 |
| MinceR | GCC and Clang should be enough, imo | Sep 30 22:45 |
| DaemonFC | There's no REASON to write another compiler for Rust because the official one is already under a suitable Free license. | Sep 30 22:45 |
| XRevan86 | Of course, I completely ignore Windows so my world view on C is extremely simpler. | Sep 30 22:46 |
| DaemonFC | MinceR, Microsoft has let their support for C/C++ degrade over time so people would use .Net. | Sep 30 22:46 |
| XRevan86 | When I ignore Windows, the world feels like a simpler, better place. So I'm doing that. For mental health. | Sep 30 22:47 |
| DaemonFC | "The common problem of large codebases implemented in C or C++ is leaking memory, even after C++ introduced RAII and tried to reduce the use of raw pointers and made an effort to suppress the ability of programmers to mess up with the memory. Rust takes the idea of safety to the extreme. There are several mechanisms preventing developers from writing vulnerable code, making them almost unable to cause programs to leak | Sep 30 22:47 |
| DaemonFC | memory, taking care of all references and making sure that there are no “dangling references”. The idea is simple: the unsafe code simply won’t compile. rustc will produce a number of warnings and messages making the developer think about one’s bad behavior for a while. In rare cases, one might use unsafe Rust constructions, but in 99.9% cases these are not necessary and therefore the number of vulnerabil | Sep 30 22:47 |
| DaemonFC | ities a piece of software may have tends to zero." | Sep 30 22:47 |
| DaemonFC | Should be "In almost all large C++ codebases there are an almost unlimited number of memory hazards." | Sep 30 22:48 |
| DaemonFC | Firefox has proven that. | Sep 30 22:48 |
| XRevan86 | Firefox has a pretty outdated C++ codebase, though. | Sep 30 22:49 |
| DaemonFC | Yeah, the oldest bits go back 20 years. | Sep 30 22:49 |
| DaemonFC | When they started using things like libfuzz and Address Sanitizer, they found thousands of bugs. | Sep 30 22:50 |
| MinceR | Rust does not take the idea of safety to the extreme. | Sep 30 22:51 |
| MinceR | doing so would make Rust useless | Sep 30 22:52 |
| MinceR | SIMPLE takes the idea of safety to the extreme. | Sep 30 22:52 |
| MinceR | https://stuff.mit.edu/afs/athena/project/w92/www/lesser-known.shtml | Sep 30 22:52 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-stuff.mit.edu | NO TITLE | Sep 30 22:52 | |
| MinceR | https://i.imgur.com/A1YxBd9.jpg | Sep 30 22:57 |
| *TweetTuxMachines @tuxmachines favourited '@JulianAssange Some have been proven and disproven already....' | Sep 30 23:09 | |
| *TweetTuxMachines @tuxmachines favourited '@JulianAssange The "security services" are now newspeak ...' | Sep 30 23:09 | |
| *TweetTuxMachines @tuxmachines favourited retweet 'RT @schestowitz: @JulianAssange The "security services" are now...' | Sep 30 23:11 | |
| *TweetTuxMachines @tuxmachines favourited '@JulianAssange Put a happy face and cartoons on...' | Sep 30 23:11 | |
| cubexyz | openbsd is a pretty good distro | Sep 30 23:13 |
| schestowitz | for desktop also? | Sep 30 23:15 |
| schestowitz | [21:53] <schestowitz> > I may or may not be offline a while later today as I try to reinstall | Sep 30 23:16 |
| schestowitz | [21:53] <schestowitz> > Devuan Jessie on my main machine and then attempt an upgrade to the | Sep 30 23:16 |
| schestowitz | [21:53] <schestowitz> > very, very incomplete Devuan Ascii. I'll give Devuan a few more months | Sep 30 23:16 |
| schestowitz | [21:53] <schestowitz> > to start to show signs of progress and then, if not, I'll bail and try | Sep 30 23:16 |
| schestowitz | [21:53] <schestowitz> > OpenBSD. The latter is actually much better but only when the hardware | Sep 30 23:16 |
| schestowitz | [21:53] <schestowitz> > is supported. I haven't checked this hardware yet. However, OpenBSD is | Sep 30 23:16 |
| schestowitz | [21:53] <schestowitz> > not for us plebs who can't / don't actively contribute code to the | Sep 30 23:16 |
| schestowitz | [21:53] <schestowitz> > project, especially C. | Sep 30 23:16 |
| schestowitz | [21:53] <schestowitz> OpenBSD would be a pain on a desktop. | Sep 30 23:16 |
| cubexyz | it depends... | Sep 30 23:16 |
| cubexyz | openbsd is a fine general OS for getting work done | Sep 30 23:17 |
| schestowitz | will it run applications like thunderbird? | Sep 30 23:17 |
| cubexyz | sure | Sep 30 23:19 |
| cubexyz | I don't use it but it's in the repo | Sep 30 23:19 |
| cubexyz | you have to understand openbsd for me is on a very low memory system | Sep 30 23:19 |
| XRevan86 | Time to check if Devuan did something with ascii's issue with rsyslog %) | Sep 30 23:19 |
| cubexyz | so no firefox, no thunderbird for me on openbsd | Sep 30 23:20 |
| cubexyz | and generally speaking I try to do as much as possible with text based programs | Sep 30 23:21 |
| cubexyz | so it's mutt instead of thunderbird | Sep 30 23:21 |
| XRevan86 | https://packages.devuan.org/devuan/pool/main/r/rsyslog/ ugh, nope, nothing changed here | Sep 30 23:22 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-packages.devuan.org | Index of /devuan/pool/main/r/rsyslog/ | Sep 30 23:22 | |
| cubexyz | and I switched cubelog over to irssi | Sep 30 23:22 |
| cubexyz | so that should be more reliable | Sep 30 23:22 |
| MinceR | https://imgur.com/gallery/rCAWS | Sep 30 23:22 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-supportive father - Album on Imgur | Sep 30 23:22 | |
| XRevan86 | So to this day one has to install rsyslog from https://packages.debian.org/jessie-backports/rsyslog | Sep 30 23:22 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-packages.debian.org | Debian -- Details of package rsyslog in jessie-backports | Sep 30 23:23 | |
| MinceR | mozilla can rot in hell with their beloved pulseaudio | Sep 30 23:23 |
| cubexyz | and links isn't bad as a text based web browser | Sep 30 23:23 |
| XRevan86 | (I prefer the a bit older version from jessie-backports because it'll be guaranteed to upgrade to the future Devuan's version of rsyslog when they're ready) | Sep 30 23:23 |
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| MinceR | especially when all the css/js-supporting browsers and engines are going to hell | Sep 30 23:28 |
| MinceR | (even more than they were before, that is) | Sep 30 23:28 |
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| *TweetTuxMachines @tuxmachines favourited '@thebradfordfile @realDonaldTrump All Trump is doing is, he...' | Sep 30 23:36 | |
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| *TweetTuxMachines @tuxmachines favourited '@thebradfordfile @realDonaldTrump People graudally learn the "codes", now...' | Sep 30 23:36 | |
| *TweetTuxMachines @tuxmachines favourited retweet 'RT @schestowitz: @thebradfordfile @realDonaldTrump People graudally learn the...' | Sep 30 23:36 | |
| *TweetTuxMachines @tuxmachines favourited '@thebradfordfile @realDonaldTrump Time to put adults in charge...' | Sep 30 23:36 | |
| *TweetTuxMachines @tuxmachines favourited retweet 'RT @schestowitz: @thebradfordfile @realDonaldTrump Time to put adults...' | Sep 30 23:37 | |
| *TweetTuxMachines @tuxmachines favourited '@thebradfordfile @realDonaldTrump Insecure cretin https://t.co/T69cnye0fQ' | Sep 30 23:37 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz: @thebradfordfile @realDonaldTrump Insecure cretin https://t.co/T69cnye0fQ | Sep 30 23:37 | |
| *TweetTuxMachines @tuxmachines favourited retweet 'RT @schestowitz: @thebradfordfile @realDonaldTrump Insecure cretin https://t.co/T69cnye0fQ' | Sep 30 23:37 | |
| *TweetTuxMachines @tuxmachines favourited '@thebradfordfile @realDonaldTrump He wants people to stand, as...' | Sep 30 23:37 | |
| DaemonFC | I don't really want to relearn everything, have a difficult installation, and find out it doesn't work well on my computer. | Sep 30 23:37 |
| DaemonFC | If I switch from hexchat it's probably going to be to Riot. | Sep 30 23:40 |
| DaemonFC | It has an IRC bridge to several networks and lets you view the backscroll even from when you weren't logged in from what I understand. | Sep 30 23:40 |
| DaemonFC | I haven't tried it out yet because the COPR doesn't have any Fedora 27 builds. I guess I could just change the $releasever to 26. | Sep 30 23:41 |
| cubexyz | there's some things I'm not thrilled with but I still use | Sep 30 23:42 |
| cubexyz | chromeos for example | Sep 30 23:42 |
| cubexyz | but it's chromeos + crouton so I can live with it | Sep 30 23:42 |
| cubexyz | it's hard to avoid firefox and chrome for online banking | Sep 30 23:45 |
| DaemonFC | https://www.privateinternetaccess.com/pages/dmca-policy | Sep 30 23:48 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.privateinternetaccess.com | DMCA Policy | Sep 30 23:48 | |
| DaemonFC | Nice. It turns Section 512 against them. | Sep 30 23:48 |
| DaemonFC | cubexyz, Webkit should work. They all support Safari. | Sep 30 23:49 |
| cubexyz | heh, I should try links or lynx with my bank and see what happens | Sep 30 23:49 |
| DaemonFC | Does Lynx support JS? | Sep 30 23:50 |
| DaemonFC | ELinks didn't. | Sep 30 23:50 |
| cubexyz | wow, a blank screen | Sep 30 23:50 |
| cubexyz | ummm, probably not | Sep 30 23:50 |
| DaemonFC | ELinks didn't support SSL either. :/ | Sep 30 23:50 |
| DaemonFC | It was a port of Lynx to DOS though.. | Sep 30 23:51 |
| cubexyz | I used to be able to access my router via lynx | Sep 30 23:51 |
| DaemonFC | Interesting. ELinks eventually added dsome JS support by using Firefox's Spidermonkey engine. | Sep 30 23:52 |
| DaemonFC | But it hasn't gotten an update since 2012. | Sep 30 23:52 |
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| *TweetTuxMachines @tuxmachines favourited '#india views the situation in #myanmar very differently...' | Sep 30 23:52 | |
| *TweetTuxMachines @tuxmachines favourited '"It’s about how to finance tax cuts for...' | Sep 30 23:52 | |
| cubexyz | ok, looks like I still can | Sep 30 23:52 |
| cubexyz | doesn't really work very well though | Sep 30 23:53 |
| DaemonFC | I would expect not. | Sep 30 23:54 |
| MinceR | https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w_MSFkZHNi4 | Sep 30 23:57 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-DOUBLE KING - YouTube | Sep 30 23:57 | |
| XRevan86 | MinceR: That is a good animation. | Sep 30 23:58 |
| *TweetTuxMachines @tuxmachines favourited '@the_heppcat @realDonaldTrump https://t.co/hfObM4L94o' | Sep 30 23:59 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz: @the_heppcat @realDonaldTrump https://t.co/hfObM4L94o | Sep 30 23:59 | |
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| oiaohm | DaemonFC: the secret to BSD mixing is the sndiod sound server. Please note you don't see BSD used for real-time audio that much yes sndiod and jackaudio manage to cat fight over who controls the audio devices as well. | Sep 24 00:05 |
| oiaohm | Windows and OS X a long time back merged both real-time and general usage audio stacks. Linux and BSD still have those fairly well split. | Sep 24 00:06 |
| MinceR | https://p1.picsto.re/zKZ9c.jpg | Sep 24 00:13 |
| cubexyz | the radio streaming seems to be gravitating towards tunein :-/ | Sep 24 00:13 |
| MinceR | https://arstechnica.com/information-technology/2017/09/in-spectacular-fail-adobe-security-team-posts-private-pgp-key-on-blog/ | Sep 24 00:22 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-arstechnica.com | In spectacular fail, Adobe security team posts private PGP key on blog | Ars Technica | Sep 24 00:23 | |
| MinceR | https://imgur.com/gallery/zpAqR | Sep 24 00:26 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Monty Python’s Steaming Dump - Album on Imgur | Sep 24 00:26 | |
| cubexyz | univesity radio streaming links tend to stay intact, or at least remain available | Sep 24 00:47 |
| cubexyz | CBC radio constantly changes their links, and nowadays there's only a web portal | Sep 24 00:48 |
| cubexyz | the real link is obfuscated | Sep 24 00:48 |
| cubexyz | university radio | Sep 24 00:48 |
| cubexyz | even WNED dropped the ball recently | Sep 24 00:49 |
| cubexyz | fortunately radio swiss classics has remained available | Sep 24 00:50 |
| cubexyz | yeah, looks like CBC has switched everything over to flash based in the browser crap | Sep 24 01:08 |
| cubexyz | I thought everyone was transitioning away from flash :-/ | Sep 24 01:08 |
| DaemonFC | Well, I just tried Gnome Web again with the latest everything. | Sep 24 01:08 |
| DaemonFC | Web 3.26, GTKWebkit 2.18, Gstreamer 1.12.3... | Sep 24 01:09 |
| DaemonFC | Video playback is still corrupted under Wayland. | Sep 24 01:09 |
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| DaemonFC | https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Snapple#.22Real_Facts.22 | Sep 24 02:11 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-en.wikipedia.org | Snapple - Wikipedia | Sep 24 02:11 | |
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| DaemonFC | Is anyone using opensuse tumbleweed and how is it? | Sep 24 03:38 |
| DaemonFC | I've heard that bizarre things are likely to happen in a rolling release. | Sep 24 03:38 |
| DaemonFC | Never really used a rolling release myself, but Fedora is kind of a mix between stable and rolling as most packages get updated, but there are some that are frozen except for patches. | Sep 24 03:39 |
| DaemonFC | I know SJVN likes it but I don't believe it's possible to keep that many things up to date without running into problems. | Sep 24 03:53 |
| DaemonFC | It's interesting that suse has Vulkan support by default but Fedora doesn't. | Sep 24 04:02 |
| DaemonFC | I mean, all you have to do is dnf install vulkan, but still. :P | Sep 24 04:02 |
| DaemonFC | MinceR, These are the folks who will be making one of those "secure" CDMs that Tim Berners-Lee was talking about. Have fun with that. | Sep 24 04:16 |
| DaemonFC | Firefox is now shipping a browser where they can't fix security problems that are likely to arise. All they can do is blacklist CDM versions after they're already under attack. | Sep 24 04:17 |
| DaemonFC | Netflix doesn't trust EME/CDM for their DRM. They don't allow streaming to go higher than 720p if you use Widevine. | Sep 24 04:18 |
| DaemonFC | That way WHEN stuff leaks out, it's not 1080p or 4K. | Sep 24 04:19 |
| DaemonFC | MinceR, That means if you want a 1080p stream, you have to pirate it somehow. | Sep 24 04:20 |
| DaemonFC | Funny that. | Sep 24 04:20 |
| DaemonFC | https://www.theverge.com/2017/9/10/16283494/spotify-web-player-safari-browser-support-apple | Sep 24 04:24 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.theverge.com | Spotify’s Web Player no longer works on Safari - The Verge | Sep 24 04:24 | |
| DaemonFC | Spotify yanked support for Safari. | Sep 24 04:24 |
| DaemonFC | Apple seems to be the only major browser vendor to resist EME. | Sep 24 04:26 |
| DaemonFC | https://developers.slashdot.org/story/17/09/23/2043235/do-strongly-typed-languages-reduce-bugs | Sep 24 05:00 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-developers.slashdot.org | Do Strongly Typed Languages Reduce Bugs? - Slashdot | Sep 24 05:00 | |
| DaemonFC | Microsoft says there's less bugs with static. Well, that's encouraging. | Sep 24 05:00 |
| DaemonFC | And they even promoted one of their own products in the announcement. :) | Sep 24 05:00 |
| DaemonFC | https://slashdot.org/story/17/09/23/1816214/popular-chrome-extension-embedded-a-cpu-draining-cryptocurrency-miner | Sep 24 05:02 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-slashdot.org | Popular Chrome Extension Embedded A CPU-Draining Cryptocurrency Miner - Slashdot | Sep 24 05:02 | |
| DaemonFC | I try not to have too many extensions installed for exactly this reason. Google says it has measures in place to prevent shit like this, but it happens over and over. Either the malware is obfuscated and nobody finds out about it until after hundreds of thousands of installations (at which time removing it doesn't bother the malware authors because they knew they would get caught and only wanted to keep mining bitcoins as long as possible) | Sep 24 05:04 |
| DaemonFC | or a legitimate app gets bought and the new owner injects malware into an update to make a quick buck before it gets pulled. | Sep 24 05:04 |
| DaemonFC | https://arstechnica.com/science/2017/09/7up-gets-a-new-ingredient-in-mexico-meth/ | Sep 24 06:18 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-arstechnica.com | 7Up gets a new ingredient in Mexico—meth | Ars Technica | Sep 24 06:18 | |
| DaemonFC | Well, at least they beat Indiana to it. | Sep 24 06:19 |
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| DaemonFC | https://apple.slashdot.org/story/17/09/22/2049247/hackers-using-iclouds-find-my-iphone-feature-to-remotely-lock-macs-demand-ransom-payments | Sep 24 06:35 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-apple.slashdot.org | Hackers Using iCloud's Find My iPhone Feature To Remotely Lock Macs, Demand Ransom Payments - Slashdot | Sep 24 06:35 | |
| DaemonFC | https://linux.slashdot.org/story/17/09/22/1946244/microsoft-and-canonical-make-custom-linux-kernel | Sep 24 06:39 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-linux.slashdot.org | Microsoft and Canonical Make Custom Linux Kernel - Slashdot | Sep 24 06:39 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines https://twitter.com/tuxmachines/status/911827432826707968 | Sep 24 06:42 |
| TweetTuxMachines | #FreeBSD 10.4-RC2 Now Available | Sep 24 06:42 |
| TweetTuxMachines | https://t.co/S3KLispLvu (www.tuxmachines.org) #bsd #unix | Sep 24 06:42 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Sep 24 06:42 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | FreeBSD 10.4-RC2 Now Available | Tux Machines | Sep 24 06:42 | |
| DaemonFC | https://tech.slashdot.org/story/17/09/22/2036202/google-experiment-tests-top-5-browsers-finds-safari-riddled-with-security-bugs | Sep 24 06:43 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-tech.slashdot.org | Google Experiment Tests Top 5 Browsers, Finds Safari Riddled With Security Bugs - Slashdot | Sep 24 06:43 | |
| *TweetTuxMachines @schestowitz retweeted @tuxmachines: '#FreeBSD 10.4-RC2 Now Available https://t.co/S3KLispLvu #bsd #unix...' | Sep 24 06:43 | |
| *TweetTuxMachines @Alfarmi favourited '#FreeBSD 10.4-RC2 Now Available https://t.co/S3KLispLvu #bsd #unix...' | Sep 24 06:43 | |
| DaemonFC | https://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=Nouveau-XDC2017 | Sep 24 06:47 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Nouveau Developers Remain Blocked By NVIDIA From Advancing Open-Source Driver - Phoronix | Sep 24 06:47 | |
| DaemonFC | The European Union funded a report that concluded that piracy doesn't harm the economy and is now trying to bury the report. | Sep 24 06:55 |
| DaemonFC | https://yro.slashdot.org/story/17/09/21/209229/eu-paid-for-report-that-said-piracy-isnt-harmful----and-tried-to-hide-findings | Sep 24 06:55 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-yro.slashdot.org | EU Paid For Report That Said Piracy Isn't Harmful -- And Tried To Hide Findings - Slashdot | Sep 24 06:55 | |
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| *TweetTuxMachines @Alfarmi retweeted @tuxmachines: '#FreeBSD 10.4-RC2 Now Available https://t.co/S3KLispLvu #bsd #unix...' | Sep 24 07:05 | |
| schestowitz | DaemonFC: thanks for the links | Sep 24 07:42 |
| schestowitz | going through them ATM | Sep 24 07:42 |
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| schestowitz | DaemonFC: ok done | Sep 24 07:46 |
| schestowitz | you still use /.? | Sep 24 07:46 |
| DaemonFC | Yeah. | Sep 24 08:03 |
| schestowitz | just a middleman | Sep 24 08:04 |
| schestowitz | do we still need that in 2017? | Sep 24 08:04 |
| schestowitz | and their picks aren't always that good | Sep 24 08:04 |
| schestowitz | AND... | Sep 24 08:04 |
| schestowitz | it take a long time to extract the ORIGINAL articles out of these | Sep 24 08:04 |
| schestowitz | so I barely see the point anymore | Sep 24 08:04 |
| schestowitz | I dumped Reddit weeks ago after they had gone proprietary | Sep 24 08:04 |
| schestowitz | gave me the push to dump them, too | Sep 24 08:04 |
| DaemonFC | What happened to Reddit? | Sep 24 08:07 |
| DaemonFC | https://betanews.com/2017/09/12/bashware-attack-linux-windows-10/ | Sep 24 08:09 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-betanews.com | Bashware attack makes Linux a security threat to Windows 10 | Sep 24 08:09 | |
| DaemonFC | Installing Microsoft's "Linux subsystem" creates the possibility of malware running in it that's invisible to antivirus software. | Sep 24 08:10 |
| schestowitz | [08:07] <DaemonFC> What happened to Reddit? | Sep 24 08:11 |
| schestowitz | Look it up | Sep 24 08:12 |
| schestowitz | code closed now | Sep 24 08:12 |
| schestowitz | regarding 'bashware', SJVN wrote a detailed response | Sep 24 08:12 |
| schestowitz | in zdNYET (CBS) | Sep 24 08:12 |
| DaemonFC | https://www.infoworld.com/article/3223140/linux/why-microsoft-will-drive-serious-linux-innovation.html | Sep 24 08:13 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.infoworld.com | Linux: Why Microsoft will drive its innovation | Sep 24 08:13 | |
| DaemonFC | <snip> | Sep 24 08:13 |
| DaemonFC | With the addition of these three people, Microsoft now employs 12 Linux kernel contributors. As for what these engineers are doing, Linux kernel maintainer Greg Kroah-Hartman says, “Microsoft now has developers contributing to various core areas of the kernel (memory management, core data structures, networking infrastructure), the CIFS filesystem, and of course many contributions to make Linux work better on its Hyper-V systems.” | Sep 24 08:13 |
| DaemonFC | </snip> | Sep 24 08:13 |
| DaemonFC | I wonder what they are doing outside of hyper-v and how it affects how the kernel works on real hardware. | Sep 24 08:14 |
| schestowitz | http://techrights.org/wiki/index.php/Hyper-V_Reality_Log | Sep 24 08:16 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Hyper-V Reality Log - Techrights [ http://ur1.ca/cpdmt ] | Sep 24 08:16 | |
| schestowitz | it's all about proprietary backdoorware | Sep 24 08:16 |
| DaemonFC | Also, I couldn't find the quote from Greg KH anywhere but that article. | Sep 24 08:16 |
| schestowitz | which we need too shun | Sep 24 08:16 |
| schestowitz | we have kvm, xen etc. | Sep 24 08:17 |
| schestowitz | We don't need Microsoft's s* | Sep 24 08:17 |
| schestowitz | let's face it, admins don't need Windows Server, either | Sep 24 08:17 |
| schestowitz | I hope this Microsoft EEE efforts will fail badly | Sep 24 08:17 |
| schestowitz | But they bribe LF now | Sep 24 08:17 |
| schestowitz | so Greg K-H has to be "nice" | Sep 24 08:17 |
| DaemonFC | schestowitz, Azure is just another place to rent some virtual machines on someone else's hardware. | Sep 24 08:17 |
| schestowitz | yeah | Sep 24 08:18 |
| schestowitz | 'cloud' BS | Sep 24 08:18 |
| DaemonFC | There's some reasons why you might want to do that. | Sep 24 08:18 |
| DaemonFC | I don't think I'd use Microsoft for it though. | Sep 24 08:18 |
| schestowitz | We need to watch the boardrooms closely | Sep 24 08:19 |
| schestowitz | VMware also | Sep 24 08:19 |
| schestowitz | They make secret deals | Sep 24 08:19 |
| schestowitz | with old executives | Sep 24 08:19 |
| schestowitz | who think that MSFT is "all the rage" | Sep 24 08:19 |
| schestowitz | they are fossils who still use laptop with MS Office | Sep 24 08:19 |
| schestowitz | writing "documents" is their job | Sep 24 08:19 |
| schestowitz | and MS messes with their minds | Sep 24 08:20 |
| DaemonFC | I haven't used vmware in a long time. | Sep 24 08:21 |
| DaemonFC | I think the last thing I ran on it was PC-BSD. | Sep 24 08:22 |
| DaemonFC | When it was new. | Sep 24 08:22 |
| schestowitz | they do 'cloud' now | Sep 24 08:22 |
| schestowitz | the NHS uses that | Sep 24 08:22 |
| schestowitz | for now | Sep 24 08:22 |
| DaemonFC | Getting FreeBSD to run on real hardware has been painful. | Sep 24 08:22 |
| schestowitz | we'll get them off it soon | Sep 24 08:22 |
| schestowitz | their interface is kind of ubbish | Sep 24 08:22 |
| DaemonFC | They're months behind Linux. | Sep 24 08:23 |
| schestowitz | I had to work with that "in the browser" crap | Sep 24 08:23 |
| DaemonFC | Maybe 1-2 years on some things. | Sep 24 08:23 |
| DaemonFC | The NHS situation sounds bad. Like "I don't even want to know." bad. | Sep 24 08:23 |
| DaemonFC | Surprised that they haven't had more problems, but they're the government and they probably have had more problems than they'll admit to publicly. | Sep 24 08:24 |
| schestowitz | the interface is confusing | Sep 24 08:25 |
| schestowitz | for example | Sep 24 08:25 |
| schestowitz | the temp machines are in one panel/domain | Sep 24 08:25 |
| schestowitz | about 100 of them | Sep 24 08:25 |
| schestowitz | but to find the rest I need to shake some rubber chicken.... complete 'hack'.... no sense to it | Sep 24 08:25 |
| schestowitz | it's like it never matured | Sep 24 08:26 |
| schestowitz | they try to turn from V-Sphere to some 'webby' thing | Sep 24 08:26 |
| schestowitz | I think our company will move them - YUCK! - to AWS | Sep 24 08:26 |
| schestowitz | because some of my colleagues trust Amazon and buy their s* there | Sep 24 08:26 |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines https://twitter.com/Pyrokitteh/status/911833941803520000 | Sep 24 08:27 |
| TweetTuxMachines | retweeted by #FreeBSD 10.4-RC2 Now Available | Sep 24 08:27 |
| TweetTuxMachines | @Pyrokitteh https://t.co/S3KLispLvu (www.tuxmachines.org) #bsd #unix | Sep 24 08:27 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Sep 24 08:27 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | FreeBSD 10.4-RC2 Now Available | Tux Machines | Sep 24 08:27 | |
| DaemonFC | schestowitz, It's a good way to let the US government know everything that's in there. | Sep 24 08:27 |
| DaemonFC | No way to know what's really going on. | Sep 24 08:29 |
| oiaohm | DaemonFC: the CIFS stuff has been interesting. Not only has microsoft contruted some stuff into the CIFS drivers you have some submits into samba as well. | Sep 24 08:31 |
| oiaohm | DaemonFC: and that a 2 years back was totally unheard of. | Sep 24 08:31 |
| oiaohm | DaemonFC: remember 1/3+ of Azure these days is Linux boxes. So Microsoft kind of needs Linux to work. | Sep 24 08:32 |
| oiaohm | DaemonFC: from 2016 to 2017 the amount of Linux at Azure doubled. So if growth remains at this rate it will not be long until Azure is more Linux than Windows. | Sep 24 08:37 |
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| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines https://twitter.com/tuxmachines/status/911866691893825536 | Sep 24 09:20 |
| TweetTuxMachines | ASUS Launches Its Thinnest and Lightest Flippable | Sep 24 09:20 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Chromebook, the Flip C101 | Sep 24 09:20 |
| TweetTuxMachines | https://t.co/I0xQa4Fjmr (www.tuxmachines.org) | Sep 24 09:20 |
| TweetTuxMachines | #asus #gnu #linux #chromebook | Sep 24 09:20 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Sep 24 09:20 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | ASUS Launches Its Thinnest and Lightest Flippable Chromebook, the Flip C101 | Tux Machines | Sep 24 09:20 | |
| MinceR | https://imgur.com/gallery/6IAIK | Sep 24 10:29 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Dr.Robitnick, draw me like one of your French girls. - Album on Imgur | Sep 24 10:29 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines https://twitter.com/tuxmachines/status/911867777539100672 | Sep 24 10:29 |
| TweetTuxMachines | #Graphics: #NVIDIA, #Nouveau,#XOrg Server | Sep 24 10:29 |
| TweetTuxMachines | https://t.co/VZIco7gE69 (www.tuxmachines.org) #linux | Sep 24 10:29 |
| TweetTuxMachines | #kernel | Sep 24 10:30 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Sep 24 10:30 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Graphics: NVIDIA, Nouveau, X.Org Server | Tux Machines | Sep 24 10:30 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/911885375290974208 | Sep 24 10:33 |
| TweetTuxMachines | retweeted by ASUS Launches Its Thinnest and Lightest Flippable | Sep 24 10:33 |
| TweetTuxMachines | @schestowitz Chromebook, the Flip C101 | Sep 24 10:33 |
| TweetTuxMachines | https://t.co/I0xQa4Fjmr (www.tuxmachines.org) | Sep 24 10:33 |
| TweetTuxMachines | #asus #gnu #linux #chromebook | Sep 24 10:33 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Sep 24 10:33 | |
| *TweetTuxMachines @schestowitz retweeted @tuxmachines: '#Graphics: #NVIDIA, #Nouveau,#XOrg Server https://t.co/VZIco7gE69 #linux #kernel...' | Sep 24 10:35 | |
| XRevan86 | > Is anyone using opensuse tumbleweed and how is it? | Sep 24 10:42 |
| XRevan86 | > I've heard that bizarre things are likely to happen in a rolling release. | Sep 24 10:42 |
| XRevan86 | I do, for years now. | Sep 24 10:42 |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines https://twitter.com/tuxmachines/status/911886721410830337 | Sep 24 10:44 |
| TweetTuxMachines | today's howtos | Sep 24 10:44 |
| TweetTuxMachines | https://t.co/anLpqtF6yD (www.tuxmachines.org) #howto #gnu | Sep 24 10:44 |
| TweetTuxMachines | #linux #unix | Sep 24 10:44 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Sep 24 10:44 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | today's howtos | Tux Machines | Sep 24 10:44 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines https://twitter.com/tuxmachines/status/911888961345409031 | Sep 24 10:45 |
| TweetTuxMachines | #Security: #Adobe and #Apple Fail/Fare Badly | Sep 24 10:45 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Security: Adobe and Apple Fail/Fare Badly | Tux Machines | Sep 24 10:45 | |
| MinceR | https://imgur.com/gallery/7vByN | Sep 24 10:47 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Interesting facts of the day - Album on Imgur | Sep 24 10:47 | |
| XRevan86 | Oh shoot, DaemonFC is not here. | Sep 24 10:49 |
| XRevan86 | For whom I answered – nobody knows %). | Sep 24 10:49 |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines https://twitter.com/tuxmachines/status/911889292863115264 | Sep 24 10:53 |
| TweetTuxMachines | #Games: Open Source Puzzle Games and #SDL 2.0.6 Release | Sep 24 10:53 |
| TweetTuxMachines | https://t.co/btZSWqSJCB (www.tuxmachines.org) #freesw | Sep 24 10:53 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Games: Open Source Puzzle Games and SDL 2.0.6 Release | Tux Machines | Sep 24 10:54 | |
| MinceR | https://imgur.com/gallery/1RgQz | Sep 24 10:57 |
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| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines https://twitter.com/tuxmachines/status/911891428590145536 | Sep 24 10:57 |
| TweetTuxMachines | #BeagleBone Announces the Open Source #PocketBeagle | Sep 24 10:58 |
| TweetTuxMachines | USB-Key-Fob SBC https://t.co/yUzSCOgxru | Sep 24 10:58 |
| TweetTuxMachines | (www.tuxmachines.org) #gnu #linux | Sep 24 10:58 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | BeagleBone Announces the Open Source PocketBeagle USB-Key-Fob SBC | Tux Machines | Sep 24 10:58 | |
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| *TweetTuxMachines @schestowitz retweeted @tuxmachines: '#Security: #Adobe and #Apple Fail/Fare Badly https://t.co/EcmmMGHm2K...' | Sep 24 11:24 | |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Stars, thunderstorms, and traffic along the shipping lanes of SE Asia - GIF on Imgur | Sep 24 11:28 | |
| MinceR | https://imgur.com/gallery/jLPrG | Sep 24 11:44 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Cats with neat markings - Album on Imgur | Sep 24 11:44 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/911900922783178753 | Sep 24 11:53 |
| TweetTuxMachines | retweeted by #Games: Open Source Puzzle Games and #SDL 2.0.6 Release | Sep 24 11:53 |
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| *TweetTuxMachines @tuxmachines favourited '@magnuslewis263 @realDonaldTrump This. https://t.co/AlWzVYxpGL' | Sep 24 11:53 | |
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| *TweetTuxMachines @tuxmachines favourited '@magnuslewis263 @realDonaldTrump The biggest spreader of fake news...' | Sep 24 11:53 | |
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| *TweetTuxMachines @tuxmachines favourited '@magnuslewis263 @realDonaldTrump How does he expect the world...' | Sep 24 11:53 | |
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| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/911906707525292032 | Sep 24 12:21 |
| TweetTuxMachines | retweeted by #BeagleBone Announces the Open Source #PocketBeagle | Sep 24 12:21 |
| TweetTuxMachines | @schestowitz USB-Key-Fob SBC https://t.co/yUzSCOgxru | Sep 24 12:21 |
| TweetTuxMachines | (www.tuxmachines.org) #gnu #linux | Sep 24 12:21 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | BeagleBone Announces the Open Source PocketBeagle USB-Key-Fob SBC | Tux Machines | Sep 24 12:21 | |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-thinkprogress.org | Trump delivers unhinged rant on NFL, calls Colin Kaepernick a ‘son of a bitch’ – ThinkProgress | Sep 24 12:21 | |
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| schestowitz | Re: For information: EPO validation agreement with Angola | Sep 24 15:21 |
| schestowitz | great way to kick off the series | Sep 24 15:21 |
| TweetTuxMachines | @philippe_md https://twitter.com/philippe_md/status/911960229667115015 | Sep 24 16:15 |
| TweetTuxMachines | The latest OpenSource Daily News! https://t.co/m3Mmem4omM | Sep 24 16:15 |
| TweetTuxMachines | (paper.li) Thanks to @danaalpha1 @tuxmachines #opensource | Sep 24 16:15 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-paper.li | OpenSource Daily News | Sep 24 16:15 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines https://twitter.com/tuxmachines/status/911976329750380545 | Sep 24 16:57 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Today in Techrights | Sep 24 16:57 |
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| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines https://twitter.com/tuxmachines/status/911982828367355905 | Sep 24 17:01 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Linux 4.14 Is Up To Around 23.2 Million Lines Of Code | Sep 24 17:01 |
| TweetTuxMachines | https://t.co/VR5JC21Zqw (www.tuxmachines.org) #kernel | Sep 24 17:01 |
| TweetTuxMachines | #linux | Sep 24 17:01 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Linux 4.14 Is Up To Around 23.2 Million Lines Of Code | Tux Machines | Sep 24 17:01 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines https://twitter.com/tuxmachines/status/911983729710682112 | Sep 24 17:06 |
| TweetTuxMachines | New #Manjaro Release | Sep 24 17:06 |
| TweetTuxMachines | https://t.co/h6N9javmBN (www.tuxmachines.org) | Sep 24 17:06 |
| TweetTuxMachines | #ManjaroLinux #gnu #linux | Sep 24 17:06 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | New Manjaro Release | Tux Machines | Sep 24 17:06 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines https://twitter.com/tuxmachines/status/911985038585221120 | Sep 24 17:08 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Development: #Blockchain for Good Hackathon, #ASUS | Sep 24 17:08 |
| TweetTuxMachines | #TinkerBoard, #React License, #JavaScript, #Pascal, | Sep 24 17:08 |
| TweetTuxMachines | #Python | Sep 24 17:08 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Development: Blockchain for Good Hackathon, ASUS Tinker Board, React License, JavaScript, Pascal, Python | Tux Machines | Sep 24 17:08 | |
| *TweetTuxMachines @schestowitz retweeted @tuxmachines: 'Linux 4.14 Is Up To Around 23.2 Million...' | Sep 24 17:10 | |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@TUSK81: Number of POTUS tweets today attacking black athletes: 3 Number of tweets today abt US citizens in Puerto Rico w/out water, electricity: 0 | Sep 24 17:11 | |
| *TweetTuxMachines @schestowitz retweeted @tuxmachines: 'New #Manjaro Release https://t.co/h6N9javmBN #ManjaroLinux #gnu #linux...' | Sep 24 17:14 | |
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| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/911987188283379712 | Sep 24 17:34 |
| TweetTuxMachines | retweeted by Development: #Blockchain for Good Hackathon, #ASUS | Sep 24 17:34 |
| TweetTuxMachines | @schestowitz #TinkerBoard, #React License, #JavaScript, #Pascal, | Sep 24 17:34 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.alternet.org | After NBA’s Stephen Curry Rejects Trump's Whitehouse Invitation, the Disgruntled President 'Withdraws' It | Alternet | Sep 24 17:37 | |
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| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines https://twitter.com/tuxmachines/status/911998432100921344 | Sep 24 18:01 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Android Leftovers https://t.co/h6MkUSPwYT | Sep 24 18:01 |
| TweetTuxMachines | (www.tuxmachines.org) #android #linux #google #amazon | Sep 24 18:01 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Android Leftovers | Tux Machines | Sep 24 18:02 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines https://twitter.com/tuxmachines/status/911999105584549888 | Sep 24 18:03 |
| TweetTuxMachines | #XFree #KWin, #Plasma, #KDE, and #Qt / #GTK | Sep 24 18:03 |
| TweetTuxMachines | https://t.co/930cX2YLFj (www.tuxmachines.org) #gnu #linux | Sep 24 18:03 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | XFree KWin, Plasma, KDE, and Qt/GTK | Tux Machines | Sep 24 18:03 | |
| *TweetTuxMachines @schestowitz retweeted @tuxmachines: '#XFree #KWin, #Plasma, #KDE, and #Qt / #GTK...' | Sep 24 18:11 | |
| XRevan86 | https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Guided_democracy nice term :). | Sep 24 18:20 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-en.wikipedia.org | Guided democracy - Wikipedia | Sep 24 18:20 | |
| XRevan86 | > It is today widely employed in Russia, where it was introduced into common practice by Kremlin theorists, in particular Gleb Pavlovsky. <..> The United States can also be said to fit this description because of the enormous influence of corporate money on the US political system. | Sep 24 18:21 |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/912001589224857615 | Sep 24 18:43 |
| TweetTuxMachines | retweeted by Android Leftovers https://t.co/h6MkUSPwYT | Sep 24 18:43 |
| TweetTuxMachines | @schestowitz (www.tuxmachines.org) #android #linux #google #amazon | Sep 24 18:43 |
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| gde33 | XRevan86: kakocracy | Sep 24 20:05 |
| gde33 | much like kakistocracy | Sep 24 20:06 |
| XRevan86 | Kako as in feces? | Sep 24 20:07 |
| gde33 | yes and kakistos as in the worse / crazy | Sep 24 20:07 |
| gde33 | thats probably from shit too | Sep 24 20:08 |
| XRevan86 | kakisto… a person who believes in feces? :) | Sep 24 20:08 |
| gde33 | Today I revisited the idea to strip people from their voting rights. | Sep 24 20:09 |
| gde33 | the perfect analogy I think would be the relationship between an employee and the person hiring him | Sep 24 20:09 |
| gde33 | if the oversight is such that the employee creates a dangerous situation the employee is initially to blame | Sep 24 20:09 |
| gde33 | however, over enough time, when say 100 million poeple are dead we should start shifting the blame to the employer | Sep 24 20:10 |
| gde33 | if there is an abundance of employee management they can just be fired from the job | Sep 24 20:10 |
| gde33 | both the malicious employee and the employer, even if the employee was kept on staff though sheer ignorance | Sep 24 20:12 |
| gde33 | this experiment where we hire politicans who are left to do whatever the fuck they like should end | Sep 24 20:12 |
| gde33 | what would you do if there was nothing required from you in your work? | Sep 24 20:13 |
| gde33 | at least my performance would be neatively affected (shit) | Sep 24 20:13 |
| gde33 | negatively | Sep 24 20:13 |
| XRevan86 | gde33: I'd probably double up my performance to prove my worth. | Sep 24 20:14 |
| gde33 | from a different perspective I think we should respect peoples desire not to get involved in politics | Sep 24 20:14 |
| gde33 | XRevan86: and if no one cares or looks? | Sep 24 20:14 |
| gde33 | what kind of employee employer relationship is this? I want it gone. | Sep 24 20:15 |
| gde33 | might as well not hire anyone and just have complete anarchy | Sep 24 20:15 |
| gde33 | even if we go around drunk riding horses waving a gun over our head we wouldn't have the potential for destruction unchecked unintelligent government has | Sep 24 20:17 |
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| gde33 | killing lots of people for fun is hard to imagine but if there is no land concqured, no resources stolen and specially if government buildings are not bombed ALL wars are simply that. | Sep 24 20:19 |
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| DaemonFC | schestowitz, While looking at the systemd replacement for su (which I still say is redundant because of sudo -i), I remembered something about Linspire. | Sep 24 20:22 |
| DaemonFC | They would log every user in as root and said eventually they would take advantage of file system access controls in reiserfs v4. | Sep 24 20:22 |
| DaemonFC | I think that was the last I heard of that feature in reiserfs. I don't know if there was ever any work started on that. | Sep 24 20:23 |
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| XRevan86 | gde33: I don't know, the analogy is hard to follow that far. | Sep 24 20:40 |
| XRevan86 | After all, one can't really sanction the employer here, who, in the analogy, is the people. | Sep 24 20:41 |
| DaemonFC | I don't think that Poettering will be happy until he replaced GNU itself. | Sep 24 20:41 |
| DaemonFC | systemd-emacsd | Sep 24 20:41 |
| DaemonFC | systemd-libcd? | Sep 24 20:42 |
| XRevan86 | systemd-gnashd | Sep 24 20:42 |
| DaemonFC | Every time he adds something lately I check the article date to make sure I didn't stumble upon an old April Fool's Day article. | Sep 24 20:43 |
| cubexyz | systemd-os with linux compatibility mode | Sep 24 20:50 |
| DaemonFC | I noticed something strange when I booted up an openSUSE Tumbleweed last night. | Sep 24 20:54 |
| DaemonFC | They signed shim with both Microsoft's key and their own and my BIOS asked me if I wanted to add openSUSE to the Secure Boot trusted key list. | Sep 24 20:54 |
| gde33 | XRevan86: Maybe other "analogies" work for you: If I'm not interested in something and I dont know anything about it then you shouldn't ask me for feedback about it? | Sep 24 20:54 |
| DaemonFC | Lenovo disabled the user's ability to configure Custom Mode, but the BIOS still prompts you for a yes or no and will add the key if you say "Yes". | Sep 24 20:55 |
| XRevan86 | DaemonFC: Can you disable SecureBoot completely on your laptop? | Sep 24 20:55 |
| DaemonFC | The only way to get rid of the keys you've added are to go into the BIOS and select "Restore keys to factory settings.", which deletes everything but Microsoft's/ | Sep 24 20:55 |
| DaemonFC | XRevan86, Yes, you can. | Sep 24 20:55 |
| XRevan86 | gde33: Okay, whatever floats your boats. | Sep 24 20:55 |
| XRevan86 | DaemonFC: I definitely can :) | Sep 24 20:55 |
| cubexyz | the grey beards actually had a discussion on what "Unix" they use these days | Sep 24 21:00 |
| cubexyz | lots of FreeBSD, some Solaris, some slackware | Sep 24 21:01 |
| cubexyz | not too surprising | Sep 24 21:01 |
| XRevan86 | gde33: I'm young, stupid, Russian (i.e. understand nothing in politics by default) and don't do discussions seriously, forgive me :). | Sep 24 21:02 |
| XRevan86 | cubexyz: Actual Solaris? Not Illumos? | Sep 24 21:02 |
| cubexyz | no one mentioned Illumos | Sep 24 21:04 |
| cubexyz | there was some talk about smartos | Sep 24 21:04 |
| XRevan86 | cubexyz: No mention of OpenIndiana too? | Sep 24 21:05 |
| cubexyz | none | Sep 24 21:05 |
| XRevan86 | cubexyz: Oracle Solaris is a pretty… questionable choice. | Sep 24 21:05 |
| cubexyz | FreeBSD was the main choice | Sep 24 21:05 |
| XRevan86 | https://wiki.illumos.org/display/illumos/Distributions "SmartOS" | Sep 24 21:06 |
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| XRevan86 | cubexyz: Never heard of it, and looking up lead me here. | Sep 24 21:07 |
| XRevan86 | * led | Sep 24 21:07 |
| cubexyz | oh, I see smartos is a relation between smartos and Illumos | Sep 24 21:08 |
| cubexyz | I never heard of it before either | Sep 24 21:08 |
| XRevan86 | cubexyz: between smartos and illumos? | Sep 24 21:10 |
| XRevan86 | you've repeated "smartos" | Sep 24 21:10 |
| schestowitz | [21:06] <XRevan86> https://wiki.illumos.org/display/illumos/Distributions "SmartOS" | Sep 24 21:10 |
| schestowitz | isn't that name taken already? | Sep 24 21:10 |
| cubexyz | sorry, very poor wording there | Sep 24 21:10 |
| XRevan86 | schestowitz: Wikipedia also mentions them with that name: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SmartOS | Sep 24 21:10 |
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| cubexyz | There is a relation between smartos and Illumos... is what I meant to say | Sep 24 21:11 |
| XRevan86 | > that combines OpenSolaris technology | Sep 24 21:11 |
| XRevan86 | Saying "technology" here makes me cringe. | Sep 24 21:11 |
| schestowitz | Joyent... | Sep 24 21:12 |
| schestowitz | I think they use the same/similar name | Sep 24 21:12 |
| schestowitz | hang on | Sep 24 21:12 |
| cubexyz | a combination of OpenSolaris and Linux's KVM virtualization, what ever that means | Sep 24 21:12 |
| schestowitz | "SmartOS 20170913 " | Sep 24 21:12 |
| schestowitz | http://distrowatch.com/smartos | Sep 24 21:12 |
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| XRevan86 | cubexyz: Apparently they've ported KVM to Illumos. | Sep 24 21:12 |
| XRevan86 | schestowitz: That's the same thing :). | Sep 24 21:13 |
| schestowitz | odd. | Sep 24 21:13 |
| schestowitz | kvm is a kernel (linux) thing | Sep 24 21:13 |
| cubexyz | yeah evidently smartos brings the KVM to the solaris kernel | Sep 24 21:14 |
| XRevan86 | schestowitz: Yeah. I wonder how they've managed it :) | Sep 24 21:14 |
| cubexyz | strictly x86-64 though | Sep 24 21:15 |
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| cubexyz | sorry, I was completely accurate when I said Illumos wasn't mentioned | Sep 24 21:17 |
| cubexyz | there were a few messages about it on TUHS | Sep 24 21:17 |
| XRevan86 | cubexyz: Well, IA32 for an OS of this purpose is not very reasonable, and SPARC… I guess they don't have machines for that :). | Sep 24 21:17 |
| XRevan86 | cubexyz: Mentioning SmartOS counts either way :) | Sep 24 21:17 |
| XRevan86 | also I'd suspect a lot of architecture-specific code in something like KVM | Sep 24 21:18 |
| XRevan86 | maybe SPARC wasn't worth it at all | Sep 24 21:18 |
| cubexyz | still FOSS though, so still good I guess | Sep 24 21:18 |
| XRevan86 | cubexyz: Unlike Solaris :) | Sep 24 21:21 |
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| cubexyz | I can just recompile a lot of stuff, so the Unix/Linux distinction isn't a huge one | Sep 24 21:31 |
| cubexyz | no one seemed to mind calling Linux a type of Unix | Sep 24 21:31 |
| DaemonFC | schestowitz, My laptop gets about 10% more runtime on a charge under Fedora than it does on Windows 10. | Sep 24 21:32 |
| DaemonFC | I used powertop as a service to tune everything, but I doubt that explains all of it. | Sep 24 21:32 |
| DaemonFC | The rest is probably Linux efficiency and the fact that Windows 10 has all kinds of spyware that can't be good for your battery life. | Sep 24 21:33 |
| cubexyz | well virus scanners come to mind | Sep 24 21:33 |
| XRevan86 | cubexyz: What's Unix these days? macOS, the certified Unix©™? | Sep 24 21:33 |
| cubexyz | that's got to suck up some power | Sep 24 21:33 |
| cubexyz | XRevan86, the BSDs are Unix to my mind | Sep 24 21:34 |
| XRevan86 | cubexyz: Merely Unix-like they are | Sep 24 21:34 |
| DaemonFC | https://pastebin.com/wJSF1pDY | Sep 24 21:38 |
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| XRevan86 | cubexyz: They are closer related to the old Unix but still don't hold anything that qualifies them over other Unix-like systems. | Sep 24 21:38 |
| DaemonFC | From two Facebook posts just now. | Sep 24 21:38 |
| DaemonFC | "In fact, while my fight with Lenovo raged on, Intel just happened to dump a bunch of driver code on the Linux Kernel Mailing List (like a flaming bag of dog shit) and ran off. Coincidence? As Yogi Berra might have said, it's too coincidental to be a coincidence. Anyway, it was rejected because it was "Too ugly to live." to quote a Linux storage subsystem maintainer, and likely to cause data loss. (And this is the mode you're in when you | Sep 24 21:39 |
| DaemonFC | run Windows from the factory!)." | Sep 24 21:39 |
| XRevan86 | > The only settings that Microsoft mandates for the Windows sticker program are: | Sep 24 21:43 |
| XRevan86 | > 1. uEFI Secure Boot must be on by default, but owners of x86 PCs must be able to turn it off completely. | Sep 24 21:43 |
| XRevan86 | DaemonFC: They didn't revoke that? | Sep 24 21:43 |
| cubexyz | I don't really think there's a "pure unix" unless you want to talk about Bell Labs Unix | Sep 24 21:44 |
| cubexyz | just those who pay for an expensive certification process and those who don't | Sep 24 21:44 |
| XRevan86 | cubexyz: That's my point :) | Sep 24 21:44 |
| cubexyz | even z/OS has Unix system services | Sep 24 21:48 |
| DaemonFC | XRevan86, The Windows Sticker requirements still say that the user must have control over whether Secure Boot is on or off on x86. | Sep 24 21:53 |
| DaemonFC | It'll probably go away after the last versions of Windows that don't support Secure Boot are EOL. | Sep 24 21:53 |
| DaemonFC | Maybe sooner. | Sep 24 21:54 |
| DaemonFC | Microsoft is already forcing Intel and AMD to not support Windows 7 on their newer hardware. | Sep 24 21:54 |
| DaemonFC | And ending updates, including security fixes, to people who don't install Windows 10. | Sep 24 21:54 |
| MinceR | 24 192005 < XRevan86> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Guided_democracy nice term :). | Sep 24 21:55 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-en.wikipedia.org | Guided democracy - Wikipedia | Sep 24 21:55 | |
| MinceR | not really | Sep 24 21:55 |
| MinceR | "guided", like "illiberal" is an overly verbose way to say "not" | Sep 24 21:56 |
| DaemonFC | The non-Gnome spins of Fedora have gotten pretty bad. | Sep 24 21:56 |
| MinceR | all spins of fedora have gotten pretty bad | Sep 24 21:56 |
| XRevan86 | MinceR: Hm, good point. I went with the impression I got from the Russian Wikipedia, where it is called "Imitation Democracy" | Sep 24 21:56 |
| XRevan86 | it left a trace in my mind :) | Sep 24 21:56 |
| DaemonFC | There's almost no work being done to present them well. In fact, Fedora keeps making changes for the default spin that breaks the other desktops in some way. | Sep 24 21:56 |
| MinceR | :) | Sep 24 21:57 |
| MinceR | DaemonFC: did you expect something else from the cancerd/gnome people? | Sep 24 21:57 |
| DaemonFC | It's strange that anyone bothers to spin the other desktops at all since they're in such bad shape. | Sep 24 21:57 |
| XRevan86 | > Имитационная демократия (управляемая демократия, англ. Guided democracy, манипулируемая демократия, декоративная демократия, квазидемократия, псевдодемократия) | Sep 24 21:57 |
| XRevan86 | > Imitation democracy (directed democracy, eng. Guided democracy, manipulation democracy, decoractive democracy, quasidemocracy, pseudodemocracy) | Sep 24 21:57 |
| MinceR | it's strange that anyone chooses to use redhat, microsoft or apple products | Sep 24 21:57 |
| DaemonFC | MinceR, I might check out Linux Mint. They said that Cinnamon has HiDPI support working properly in the latest version. | Sep 24 21:58 |
| MinceR | unfortunately, cinnamon is still just a gnome2 fork | Sep 24 21:58 |
| XRevan86 | MinceR: It's a gnome3 fork actually. | Sep 24 21:58 |
| MinceR | a.k.a. "the print dialog is too complicated for our users" | Sep 24 21:58 |
| MinceR | that's even worse | Sep 24 21:58 |
| XRevan86 | and it added a lot of settings and stuff | Sep 24 21:59 |
| MinceR | and a lot of bloat | Sep 24 21:59 |
| XRevan86 | that's the point, really | Sep 24 21:59 |
| MinceR | oh, cinnamon did | Sep 24 21:59 |
| XRevan86 | A lot of bloat it has, yes :). | Sep 24 21:59 |
| MinceR | does cinnamon depend on systemd? | Sep 24 21:59 |
| XRevan86 | CJS (a fork of GJS) is present too | Sep 24 21:59 |
| XRevan86 | MinceR: Of course, not. | Sep 24 21:59 |
| MinceR | well, at least they fixed that, then | Sep 24 22:00 |
| XRevan86 | the cinnamon process handles window management too, as does gnome3 | Sep 24 22:00 |
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| DaemonFC | MinceR, Cinnamon is a Gnome 3 fork. | Sep 24 22:02 |
| DaemonFC | They added most of the features that Gnome yanked out, including traditional desktop metaphors, file manager features, and you can even have screen savers again if you like. | Sep 24 22:02 |
| XRevan86 | cinnamon-screensaver was rewritten from scratch, BTW | Sep 24 22:03 |
| XRevan86 | on python | Sep 24 22:03 |
| MinceR | how does it compare to xscreensaver? | Sep 24 22:06 |
| XRevan86 | MinceR: It integrates with cinnamon :) | Sep 24 22:06 |
| XRevan86 | has a nicer looking locker screen and everything | Sep 24 22:07 |
| XRevan86 | MPRIS support | Sep 24 22:07 |
| MinceR | pauses music when it kicks in? | Sep 24 22:07 |
| MinceR | or lets guests control the audio player? | Sep 24 22:07 |
| XRevan86 | MinceR: 2 | Sep 24 22:07 |
| MinceR | https://imgur.com/gallery/6CP0Z | Sep 24 22:07 |
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| DaemonFC | Dr Evil: I'll call my plan....Preparation H! | Sep 24 22:20 |
| DaemonFC | https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mi5kXcc-TJ8 | Sep 24 22:21 |
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| schestowitz | H bomb? | Sep 24 22:23 |
| DaemonFC | schestowitz, A tractor beam. | Sep 24 22:24 |
| DaemonFC | Gnome is really starting to let the Xorg session rot. | Sep 24 22:31 |
| schestowitz | for wayland? | Sep 24 22:31 |
| DaemonFC | They released 3.26 with the Xorg session broken on HiDPI displays. | Sep 24 22:31 |
| schestowitz | red hat has been pushing hard for it for years... don't ask me why. They say it's lighter and all, but given the systemd promises I wouldn't believe any of it | Sep 24 22:32 |
| DaemonFC | You can log into the session and applications are okay, but the shell is rendered too small, and if you try to fix it, it scales the applications to where they are much too large. | Sep 24 22:32 |
| DaemonFC | It's not lighter. | Sep 24 22:32 |
| schestowitz | my x sessions got messed up in kde too | Sep 24 22:32 |
| schestowitz | like the way it handles dual | Sep 24 22:32 |
| DaemonFC | You end up loading the X Server anyway because most of the programs need it. | Sep 24 22:32 |
| schestowitz | and also, I never had such issues in the past | Sep 24 22:33 |
| schestowitz | they make the desktop less reliable in many ways (over time) | Sep 24 22:33 |
| DaemonFC | X runs under Wayland in kind of the same way XQuartz runs on a Mac. | Sep 24 22:33 |
| DaemonFC | schestowitz, The X server doesn't handle lots of displays very well. | Sep 24 22:34 |
| DaemonFC | Things get dicey after two. | Sep 24 22:34 |
| DaemonFC | There's lots of parts of X11 that are hilariously outdated and everything has come to bypass. | Sep 24 22:36 |
| DaemonFC | X's fonts are awful. The max DPI is 100. | Sep 24 22:36 |
| DaemonFC | Windows XP was 96. | Sep 24 22:36 |
| MinceR | almost nobody uses X's fonts anyway, as the glyphs are monochrome | Sep 24 22:37 |
| schestowitz | https://vtt.tumblr.com/tumblr_ouzc7ugLNO1tfvj2d_480.mp4 | Sep 24 22:37 |
| DaemonFC | MinceR, X used to have its own printing system. | Sep 24 22:38 |
| DaemonFC | It was removed when someone added printing support to glxgears. | Sep 24 22:38 |
| MinceR | :) | Sep 24 22:38 |
| DaemonFC | Most of the work done on X is finding garbage and removing it. | Sep 24 22:39 |
| DaemonFC | Even after all these years, they still yank out things that shouldn't be there. | Sep 24 22:39 |
| DaemonFC | In the X Server 1.20 branch a few days ago, I saw a commit that says "This removes code that was added in 2006 and never got used by anything.". | Sep 24 22:40 |
| DaemonFC | :/ | Sep 24 22:40 |
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| DaemonFC | X will be around for a very long time. Probably forever really. | Sep 24 22:41 |
| DaemonFC | There are always going to be some programs that aren't interested in porting because nobody is giving them the cattle prod treatment (XWayland will be removed starting on this date.). | Sep 24 22:41 |
| DaemonFC | Maybe if Ubuntu announced it, it would light a fire under their asses. | Sep 24 22:42 |
| DaemonFC | I think a five year transition plan would be appropriate, but it's open source so there's no definitive authority for doing that. | Sep 24 22:42 |
| DaemonFC | If the major distributions got together and agreed to it, it might work. | Sep 24 22:43 |
| DaemonFC | Five years is more than enough notice for everyone who relies on X to get their house in order and be ready for Wayland. | Sep 24 22:43 |
| DaemonFC | NVidia is probably the worst offender when it comes to the transition because they say they have no plans to support XWayland at all unless support for EGLstreams is added to it, which they'll probably get, because they get everything they want eventually. | Sep 24 22:44 |
| DaemonFC | So their users will spend another year or two stuck with X and its their own damned fault for buying Nvidia. | Sep 24 22:45 |
| DaemonFC | In the end, Nvidia will get what they want and mke both Wayland and XWayland worse. | Sep 24 22:45 |
| DaemonFC | The same people who worked on Xorg and capitulated to Nvidia's demands on everything are the people building Wayland. | Sep 24 22:46 |
| DaemonFC | https://blog.martin-graesslin.com/blog/2016/09/to-eglstream-or-not/ | Sep 24 22:48 |
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| DaemonFC | The maintainer of KWin on why EGLstreams will further pollute the system. | Sep 24 22:48 |
| DaemonFC | "For NVIDIA we would have to add a deviation into the [Direct Rendering Manager] platform plugin to create the OpenGL context in a different way. This is something our architecture does not support and was not created for. The general idea is that if creating the GBM based context fails, KWin will terminate. Adding support there for a different way to get an OpenGL context up and running would result in lots of added complexity in a very | Sep 24 22:50 |
| DaemonFC | important code path. We have to ensure that KWin terminates if OpenGL fails. At the same time we have to make sure that llvmpipe is not picked if NVIDIA hardware is used. This would be a horrible mess to maintain - especially if developers are not able to test this without huge effort." | Sep 24 22:50 |
| DaemonFC | The Nvidia driver has always been a colossal pain in the ass. The problem is that instead of REFUSING Nvidia's demands and making it the user's problem for having bought Nvidia, the developers waste time and resources to duplicate existing functionality in a way that is SPECIFIC to Nvidia's hardware and proprietary driver. | Sep 24 22:51 |
| DaemonFC | "We don't support Nvidia and neither should you." would probably force Nvidia to make their driver compliant with the normal way of doing things. They have customers that would raise hell if their cards stopped working properly on Linux. | Sep 24 22:52 |
| DaemonFC | It's a binary module. Make it their problem. | Sep 24 22:52 |
| DaemonFC | AMD's approach works with XWayland whether the user chooses open source or proprietary. In fact, from what I understand, the code that deals with the kernel and with X or Wayland is open source either way. The proprietary parts in the Catalyst bundle are their own implementations of OpenGL/OpenCL/Vulkan. | Sep 24 22:54 |
| DaemonFC | Nvidia has gone back to making their device firmware non-redistributable as well on their latest cards, so Nouveau can't even do modesetting, much less accelerated *anything*. | Sep 24 22:56 |
| DaemonFC | Why someone would buy Nvidia at this point is beyond me. | Sep 24 22:56 |
| DaemonFC | The new cards are basically back in the days of NV at this point. | Sep 24 22:57 |
| DaemonFC | They had one guy working with Nouveau and he quit in January and now Nouveau can't get ahold of anyone at Nvidia. They won't respond to email or anything. | Sep 24 22:59 |
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| MinceR | https://i.imgur.com/m9vmjnX.jpg | Sep 25 00:03 |
| XRevan86 | https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Frog_Princess https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Frog_Prince | Sep 25 00:28 |
| XRevan86 | That explains why in my mind there existed two stories about human frogs. It's two different stories :). | Sep 25 00:28 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-en.wikipedia.org | The Frog Princess - Wikipedia | Sep 25 00:28 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-en.wikipedia.org | The Frog Prince - Wikipedia | Sep 25 00:28 | |
| schestowitz | > The official website of the IAPI seems to be permanently down: | Sep 25 00:32 |
| schestowitz | > http://www.iapi.gov.ao/ | Sep 25 00:32 |
| schestowitz | WTF? | Sep 25 00:32 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.iapi.gov.ao | Bargain Finance | BARGAIN RATE VEHICLE FINANCE | Sep 25 00:32 | |
| schestowitz | "Thank you for visiting the Bargain Auto Finance webpa:e | Sep 25 00:32 |
| schestowitz | Bargain Auto Finance was established because of a love for cars and a desire to give the consumer a peace of mind buying experience. Our team of fully qualified Finance and Insurance Managers will negotiate terms on your behalf giving you a secure process. Bargain Auto Finance offer a variety of financing or refinancing options." | Sep 25 00:32 |
| schestowitz | hijacked domain? .gov? | Sep 25 00:32 |
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| *TweetTuxMachines @tuxmachines favourited '@TrumpOfYore @realDonaldTrump Don't let a child who trolls...' | Sep 25 00:57 | |
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| *TweetTuxMachines @tuxmachines favourited '@TrumpOfYore @realDonaldTrump Fake president needs to be sent...' | Sep 25 00:57 | |
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| *TweetTuxMachines @tuxmachines favourited '@TrumpOfYore @realDonaldTrump Fake news sites keep him in...' | Sep 25 00:58 | |
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| DaemonFC | https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chromium_(web_browser)#Differences_from_Google_Chrome | Sep 25 01:42 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-en.wikipedia.org | Chromium (web browser) - Wikipedia [ http://ur1.ca/gnsfx ] | Sep 25 01:42 | |
| DaemonFC | I cleaned up that section. | Sep 25 01:42 |
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| DaemonFC | https://bugs.chromium.org/p/chromium/issues/detail?id=28291 | Sep 25 01:47 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-bugs.chromium.org | 28291 - Pass the Ubuntu license check script - chromium - Monorail | Sep 25 01:47 | |
| DaemonFC | There are still files in Chromium's source code that have no license attached to them. | Sep 25 01:47 |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines https://twitter.com/tuxmachines/status/912116157079056385 | Sep 25 01:49 |
| TweetTuxMachines | #Games: #SteamWorld Dig 2,# Coma:Recut, #RustedWarfare, | Sep 25 01:49 |
| TweetTuxMachines | #RisetoRuins | Sep 25 01:49 |
| TweetTuxMachines | https://t.co/ueIR6goxlf (www.tuxmachines.org) #gnu #linux | Sep 25 01:49 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Sep 25 01:49 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Games: SteamWorld Dig 2, Coma: Recut, Rusted Warfare, Rise to Ruins | Tux Machines | Sep 25 01:49 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines https://twitter.com/tuxmachines/status/912116660865257472 | Sep 25 01:54 |
| TweetTuxMachines | #SubgraphOS Alpha and #NuTyX 9.1 | Sep 25 01:54 |
| TweetTuxMachines | https://t.co/f5wBifepu7 (www.tuxmachines.org) #gnu #linux | Sep 25 01:54 |
| TweetTuxMachines | #debian | Sep 25 01:54 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Sep 25 01:54 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Subgraph OS Alpha and NuTyX 9.1 | Tux Machines | Sep 25 01:54 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines https://twitter.com/tuxmachines/status/912117979915177989 | Sep 25 01:54 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Various #tuxmachines Leftovers | Sep 25 01:54 |
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| TweetTuxMachines | Sep 25 01:54 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Various Leftovers | Tux Machines | Sep 25 01:54 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines https://twitter.com/tuxmachines/status/912118031781892096 | Sep 25 01:57 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Links 25/9/2017: XFree KWin, FreeBSD 10.4 RC2 | Sep 25 01:57 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Links 25/9/2017: XFree KWin, FreeBSD 10.4 RC2 | Techrights | Sep 25 01:57 | |
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| *TweetTuxMachines @schestowitz retweeted @tuxmachines: '#SubgraphOS Alpha and #NuTyX 9.1 https://t.co/f5wBifepu7 #gnu...' | Sep 25 02:02 | |
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| DaemonFC | Heh, they changed the default policy for XWayland to only allow users who started it to connect to it, so you can't easily run graphical apps as root. | Sep 25 03:42 |
| DaemonFC | https://scontent.ford1-1.fna.fbcdn.net/v/t31.0-8/21765475_407535849648627_6077954904766927803_o.jpg?oh=5ea842d62c12fddfc13d918a3a845b0f&oe=5A3D9CFB | Sep 25 04:19 |
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| DaemonFC | Messing around with themes. | Sep 25 04:23 |
| oiaohm | DaemonFC: https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/Running_X_apps_as_root that policy change about not easy to connect root applications to Xwayland applies to all of x.org. | Sep 25 04:33 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-wiki.archlinux.org | Running X apps as root - ArchWiki | Sep 25 04:33 | |
| oiaohm | DaemonFC: there is a difference with X authority data with Wayland solutions. https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=91071 So some of the methods to work around x.org no root restriction break under XWayland because they give the application the wrong X authority data. | Sep 25 04:36 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-bugs.freedesktop.org | 91071 – XWayland security settings prohibits applications running as root from connecting by default | Sep 25 04:36 | |
| oiaohm | DaemonFC: basically the bug title does not match the problem. | Sep 25 04:37 |
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| cubexyz | the aha152x driver won't reset :-/ | Sep 25 05:27 |
| DaemonFC | Well, this is interesting. | Sep 25 05:42 |
| DaemonFC | If I enable vaapi, video on Gnome Web is corrupted, but if I export an environment variable telling it to use vdpau, it works fine. | Sep 25 05:42 |
| DaemonFC | Also, the CPU time being spent playing the video is much lower than Firefox or Chrome. | Sep 25 05:43 |
| cubexyz | how do I reset a scsi isa card on linux I wonder | Sep 25 05:48 |
| cubexyz | sg_reset doesn't seem to work | Sep 25 05:48 |
| cubexyz | the isa scsi adapter is not interrupt driven :-/ | Sep 25 05:51 |
| cubexyz | the sane docs say get a NCR810 based card | Sep 25 05:53 |
| cubexyz | I think that's narrow SCSI 50-pin | Sep 25 05:56 |
| cubexyz | but does anyone still made those? | Sep 25 05:56 |
| cubexyz | s/made/make/ | Sep 25 05:58 |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/912185855112105984 | Sep 25 06:24 |
| TweetTuxMachines | retweeted by Various #tuxmachines Leftovers | Sep 25 06:24 |
| TweetTuxMachines | @schestowitz https://t.co/XaNaB4JPmR (www.tuxmachines.org) | Sep 25 06:24 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Sep 25 06:24 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Various Leftovers | Tux Machines | Sep 25 06:24 | |
| DaemonFC | likely not | Sep 25 06:29 |
| DaemonFC | https://lists.freedesktop.org/archives/pulseaudio-discuss/2017-September/028733.html | Sep 25 06:32 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-lists.freedesktop.org | [pulseaudio-discuss] [ANNOUNCE] PulseAudio 11.1 | Sep 25 06:32 | |
| DaemonFC | I think Pulseaudio was causing those Bluetooth crashes I've been having. | Sep 25 06:32 |
| DaemonFC | https://www.freedesktop.org/wiki/Software/PulseAudio/Notes/11.0/ | Sep 25 06:35 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.freedesktop.org | 11.0 | Sep 25 06:35 | |
| DaemonFC | Gnu Hurd support. Finally! | Sep 25 06:35 |
| DaemonFC | "PulseAudio can now be used on the GNU Hurd kernel. There are no new Hurd specific modules, though; the way to make PulseAudio work on Hurd is to use module-solaris together with software that implements the Solaris /dev/audio interface. The only change in PulseAudio is that module-solaris was slightly modified so that it builds on Hurd. More information here: https://github.com/dm0-/hurd-rump-audio" | Sep 25 06:38 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-GitHub - dm0-/hurd-rump-audio: PulseAudio-compatible rump kernel translator for GNU Hurd | Sep 25 06:38 | |
| DaemonFC | Oh dear, They didn't even port it to Hurd. They just rigged up the Solaris module to work on Hurd. :/ | Sep 25 06:38 |
| schestowitz | [03:42] <DaemonFC> Heh, they changed the default policy for XWayland to only allow users who started it to connect to it, so you can't easily run graphical apps as root. | Sep 25 06:45 |
| schestowitz | DaemonFC: thanks for the shots, Ryan | Sep 25 06:45 |
| schestowitz | can you do one of techrights? | Sep 25 06:46 |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/912185877513818112 | Sep 25 07:13 |
| TweetTuxMachines | retweeted by Links 25/9/2017: XFree KWin, FreeBSD 10.4 RC2 | Sep 25 07:13 |
| TweetTuxMachines | @schestowitz https://t.co/lEzeuLGIjj (techrights.org) | Sep 25 07:13 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Sep 25 07:13 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Links 25/9/2017: XFree KWin, FreeBSD 10.4 RC2 | Techrights | Sep 25 07:13 | |
| DaemonFC | https://i.imgur.com/sATZITK.jpg | Sep 25 07:15 |
| oiaohm | DaemonFC: https://archive.fosdem.org/2016/schedule/event/microkernels_hurd_rump_sound_usb/attachments/slides/951/export/events/attachments/microkernels_hurd_rump_sound_usb/slides/951/2016_01_30_fosdem.pdf | Sep 25 07:48 |
| oiaohm | DaemonFC: Hurd does not have an audio stack to port to. | Sep 25 07:48 |
| oiaohm | DaemonFC: other than the rump one that is taken from Solaris. | Sep 25 07:48 |
| schestowitz | DaemonFC: thank you! | Sep 25 07:49 |
| schestowitz | will share | Sep 25 07:49 |
| oiaohm | schestowitz: do take note of the bug ports on the XWayland security thing. X.org X11 server has come picky on accessing cross users programs. And wayland adds another curve ball. | Sep 25 07:50 |
| schestowitz | oiaohm: (x)wayland by default now? | Sep 25 07:50 |
| oiaohm | schestowitz: in some cases yes. The security setting at fault for XWayland refusing root is the normal X11 authority bit under wayland compistor it can be 1 xwayland server per application with unique authority information. | Sep 25 07:52 |
| oiaohm | schestowitz: so depending on what wayland compositor and what method you use to run root application makes the difference between application working with correct information or not work at all due to incorrect information. | Sep 25 07:53 |
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| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines https://twitter.com/tuxmachines/status/912211160597975040 | Sep 25 08:06 |
| TweetTuxMachines | #BSD: Testing #OpenSSH 7.6, 23 Years of #FreeDOS | Sep 25 08:06 |
| TweetTuxMachines | https://t.co/u72cwRBGLY (www.tuxmachines.org) #openbsd | Sep 25 08:06 |
| TweetTuxMachines | #unix | Sep 25 08:06 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | BSD: Testing OpenSSH 7.6, 23 Years of FreeDOS | Tux Machines | Sep 25 08:06 | |
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| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines https://twitter.com/tuxmachines/status/912211610365779968 | Sep 25 08:06 |
| TweetTuxMachines | The site #tuxmachines is turning 14 in a matter of | Sep 25 08:06 |
| TweetTuxMachines | months. Thank you for using our free -- as in | Sep 25 08:06 |
| TweetTuxMachines | freedom/beer -- service for your news | Sep 25 08:06 |
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| DaemonFC | Heh, Spotify takes a LOT of CPU time to play a song. | Sep 25 08:32 |
| DaemonFC | Probably the encryption. | Sep 25 08:32 |
| DaemonFC | Metallica put the XBOX 360 Guitar Hero version of the songs from Death Magnetic on the Greatest Hits album. | Sep 25 08:34 |
| DaemonFC | I guess they didn't like what they did to the CD version either. :P | Sep 25 08:36 |
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| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines https://twitter.com/tuxmachines/status/912223270153457664 | Sep 25 09:00 |
| TweetTuxMachines | #BackSlash Linux Olaf https://t.co/mTf6jfiCZG | Sep 25 09:00 |
| TweetTuxMachines | (www.tuxmachines.org) #gnu #linux review. #debian #ubuntu | Sep 25 09:00 |
| TweetTuxMachines | #distrowatch | Sep 25 09:00 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | BackSlash Linux Olaf | Tux Machines | Sep 25 09:00 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | Sep 25 09:00 | |
| *TweetTuxMachines @schestowitz retweeted @tuxmachines: '#BackSlash Linux Olaf https://t.co/mTf6jfiCZG #gnu #linux review. #debian...' | Sep 25 09:18 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines https://twitter.com/tuxmachines/status/912229712935768064 | Sep 25 09:19 |
| TweetTuxMachines | #Korora 26 'Bloat' Fedora-based Linux distro available | Sep 25 09:19 |
| TweetTuxMachines | for download -- now 64-bit only | Sep 25 09:19 |
| TweetTuxMachines | https://t.co/46jAcs8ISm (www.tuxmachines.org) | Sep 25 09:19 |
| TweetTuxMachines | #gnu #linux #fedora #redhat | Sep 25 09:19 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Korora 26 'Bloat' Fedora-based Linux distro available for download -- now 64-bit only | Tux Machines | Sep 25 09:19 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines https://twitter.com/tuxmachines/status/912229982646276096 | Sep 25 09:19 |
| TweetTuxMachines | #ManjaroLinux Phasing out i686 (32bit) Support | Sep 25 09:19 |
| TweetTuxMachines | https://t.co/Nh3hBH47Y7 (www.tuxmachines.org) | Sep 25 09:19 |
| TweetTuxMachines | #gnu #linux | Sep 25 09:19 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Manjaro Linux Phasing out i686 (32bit) Support | Tux Machines | Sep 25 09:20 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines https://twitter.com/tuxmachines/status/912230915165839360 | Sep 25 09:26 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Linux 4.14-rc2 | Sep 25 09:26 |
| TweetTuxMachines | https://t.co/mCm00bSPFn (www.tuxmachines.org) | Sep 25 09:26 |
| TweetTuxMachines | #kernel #linux | Sep 25 09:26 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Sep 25 09:26 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Linux 4.14-rc2 | Tux Machines | Sep 25 09:26 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines https://twitter.com/tuxmachines/status/912231827884175360 | Sep 25 09:27 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Packet radio lives on through open source software | Sep 25 09:27 |
| TweetTuxMachines | https://t.co/CS5V9Ac3GU (www.tuxmachines.org) | Sep 25 09:27 |
| TweetTuxMachines | #freesw #linux #iss | Sep 25 09:27 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Packet radio lives on through open source software | Tux Machines | Sep 25 09:27 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines https://twitter.com/tuxmachines/status/912232089281540096 | Sep 25 09:33 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Android Leftovers https://t.co/wbA884bKuj | Sep 25 09:33 |
| TweetTuxMachines | (www.tuxmachines.org) #android #linux #google | Sep 25 09:33 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Android Leftovers | Tux Machines | Sep 25 09:33 | |
| *TweetTuxMachines @schestowitz retweeted @tuxmachines: 'Android Leftovers https://t.co/wbA884bKuj #android #linux #google' | Sep 25 09:37 | |
| *TweetTuxMachines @schestowitz retweeted @tuxmachines: 'Packet radio lives on through open source software...' | Sep 25 09:43 | |
| *TweetTuxMachines @schestowitz retweeted @tuxmachines: 'Linux 4.14-rc2 https://t.co/mCm00bSPFn #kernel #linux...' | Sep 25 09:48 | |
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| *TweetTuxMachines @tuxmachines favourited '@jeremycorbyn Next time put #brexit on the agenda....' | Sep 25 09:48 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/912237436771749890 | Sep 25 09:52 |
| TweetTuxMachines | retweeted by #ManjaroLinux Phasing out i686 (32bit) Support | Sep 25 09:52 |
| TweetTuxMachines | @schestowitz https://t.co/Nh3hBH47Y7 (www.tuxmachines.org) | Sep 25 09:52 |
| TweetTuxMachines | #gnu #linux | Sep 25 09:52 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Manjaro Linux Phasing out i686 (32bit) Support | Tux Machines | Sep 25 09:52 | |
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| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/912238261451546624 | Sep 25 10:15 |
| TweetTuxMachines | retweeted by #Korora 26 'Bloat' Fedora-based Linux distro available | Sep 25 10:15 |
| TweetTuxMachines | @schestowitz for download -- now 64-bit only | Sep 25 10:15 |
| TweetTuxMachines | https://t.co/46jAcs8ISm (www.tuxmachines.org) | Sep 25 10:15 |
| TweetTuxMachines | #gnu #linux #fedora #redhat | Sep 25 10:15 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Korora 26 'Bloat' Fedora-based Linux distro available for download -- now 64-bit only | Tux Machines | Sep 25 10:15 | |
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| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines https://twitter.com/tuxmachines/status/912255248797970432 | Sep 25 11:02 |
| TweetTuxMachines | New Intel Chips and Benchmarks https://t.co/Yw2KwULWad | Sep 25 11:02 |
| TweetTuxMachines | (www.tuxmachines.org) #intel #hardware #phoronix | Sep 25 11:02 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | New Intel Chips and Benchmarks | Tux Machines | Sep 25 11:02 | |
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| TweetTuxMachines | retweeted by New Intel Chips and Benchmarks https://t.co/Yw2KwULWad | Sep 25 12:39 |
| TweetTuxMachines | @schestowitz (www.tuxmachines.org) #intel #hardware #phoronix | Sep 25 12:39 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz: @domhq_ @realDonaldTrump Small-headed president https://t.co/SVhoPGMEcD | Sep 25 12:42 | |
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| *TweetTuxMachines @tuxmachines favourited '@lena_chambers76 @realDonaldTrump Donnie is deflecting https://t.co/pV8Dz0BuDD' | Sep 25 12:46 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Report: Jared Kushner used private email for White House business - Vox | Sep 25 12:46 | |
| *TweetTuxMachines @tuxmachines favourited retweet 'RT @schestowitz: @lena_chambers76 @realDonaldTrump Donnie is deflecting https://t.co/pV8Dz0BuDD' | Sep 25 12:56 | |
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| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines https://twitter.com/tecknocrat/status/912319000738013184 | Sep 25 15:13 |
| TweetTuxMachines | retweeted by Linux 4.14-rc2 | Sep 25 15:13 |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tecknocrat https://t.co/mCm00bSPFn (www.tuxmachines.org) | Sep 25 15:13 |
| TweetTuxMachines | #kernel #linux | Sep 25 15:13 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Linux 4.14-rc2 | Tux Machines | Sep 25 15:13 | |
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| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines https://twitter.com/tuxmachines/status/912369401583808517 | Sep 25 18:34 |
| TweetTuxMachines | 5 Great Linux Desktop Environments You Haven’t Heard Of | Sep 25 18:34 |
| TweetTuxMachines | https://t.co/71geOcm582 (www.tuxmachines.org) #gnu #linux | Sep 25 18:34 |
| TweetTuxMachines | #freesw #lumina #budgie | Sep 25 18:34 |
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| *TweetTuxMachines @schestowitz retweeted @tuxmachines: '5 Great Linux Desktop Environments You Haven’t Heard...' | Sep 25 18:35 | |
| *TweetTuxMachines @Sailorjt1985 favourited '5 Great Linux Desktop Environments You Haven’t Heard...' | Sep 25 18:35 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | 5 Great Linux Desktop Environments You Haven’t Heard Of | Tux Machines | Sep 25 18:36 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines https://twitter.com/tuxmachines/status/912370083514716160 | Sep 25 18:37 |
| TweetTuxMachines | 10 Tips For First Time Linux Users | Sep 25 18:37 |
| TweetTuxMachines | https://t.co/csGaukJvYT (www.tuxmachines.org) | Sep 25 18:37 |
| TweetTuxMachines | #gnu #linux | Sep 25 18:37 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | 10 Tips For First Time Linux Users | Tux Machines | Sep 25 18:38 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/912370488147611648 | Sep 25 19:10 |
| TweetTuxMachines | retweeted by 10 Tips For First Time Linux Users | Sep 25 19:10 |
| TweetTuxMachines | @schestowitz https://t.co/csGaukJvYT (www.tuxmachines.org) | Sep 25 19:10 |
| TweetTuxMachines | #gnu #linux | Sep 25 19:10 |
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| MinceR | https://imgur.com/gallery/UrUPA | Sep 25 19:29 |
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| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines https://twitter.com/tuxmachines/status/912384181849739265 | Sep 25 19:35 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Richard Stallman says Microsoft's Linux love-in is a ploy | Sep 25 19:35 |
| TweetTuxMachines | to 'extinguish' free software https://t.co/oMTpUtrcID | Sep 25 19:35 |
| TweetTuxMachines | (www.tuxmachines.org) #microsoft #rms #gnu #linux | Sep 25 19:35 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Richard Stallman says Microsoft's Linux love-in is a ploy to 'extinguish' free software | Tux Machines | Sep 25 19:35 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | Sep 25 19:35 | |
| *TweetTuxMachines @psema4 favourited 'Richard Stallman says Microsoft's Linux love-in is a...' | Sep 25 19:36 | |
| MinceR | https://i.imgur.com/XRYMPtx.png | Sep 25 19:37 |
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| XRevan86 | MinceR: huh, how did you manage to get this joke? :) | Sep 25 19:38 |
| MinceR | easily | Sep 25 19:39 |
| XRevan86 | Which relies on Russian slang and a bit of a pun. | Sep 25 19:39 |
| MinceR | i'm not aware of that | Sep 25 19:39 |
| MinceR | "butter emails" -> "but her emails" | Sep 25 19:39 |
| XRevan86 | мыло, mylo | Sep 25 19:39 |
| XRevan86 | It's common to call emails мыло here | Sep 25 19:40 |
| XRevan86 | MinceR: AH | Sep 25 19:40 |
| MinceR | that's what she said. | Sep 25 19:40 |
| XRevan86 | It's not soap, it's butter | Sep 25 19:40 |
| MinceR | :) | Sep 25 19:41 |
| XRevan86 | MinceR: Sorry | Sep 25 19:41 |
| MinceR | np | Sep 25 19:41 |
| schestowitz | ah, I didn't get it at first | Sep 25 19:43 |
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| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/912385385208131584 | Sep 25 19:45 |
| TweetTuxMachines | retweeted by Richard Stallman says Microsoft's Linux love-in is a ploy | Sep 25 19:45 |
| TweetTuxMachines | @schestowitz to 'extinguish' free software https://t.co/oMTpUtrcID | Sep 25 19:45 |
| TweetTuxMachines | (www.tuxmachines.org) #microsoft #rms #gnu #linux | Sep 25 19:45 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Sep 25 19:45 | |
| XRevan86 | https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DKE5tHYUEAATRhZ.jpg | Sep 25 19:47 |
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| *TweetTuxMachines @libreedge favourited 'Richard Stallman says Microsoft's Linux love-in is a...' | Sep 25 19:53 | |
| schestowitz | XRevan86: wtf? | Sep 25 19:54 |
| XRevan86 | schestowitz: It's what I described above: in Russian mylo (soap) is slang for email :) | Sep 25 19:57 |
| XRevan86 | schestowitz: I think Google was giving those out on a conference. | Sep 25 19:59 |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines https://twitter.com/tuxmachines/status/912390785307414528 | Sep 25 19:59 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Red Hat: #Microsoft Blobs, Being Red Hat, #RedHat | Sep 25 19:59 |
| TweetTuxMachines | #Patents, and Imminent Financial Results (RHT) | Sep 25 19:59 |
| TweetTuxMachines | https://t.co/gGrE6QtZIC (www.tuxmachines.org) | Sep 25 19:59 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Sep 25 19:59 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Red Hat: Microsoft Blobs, Being Red Hat, Red Hat Patents, and Imminent Financial Results (RHT) | Tux Machines | Sep 25 19:59 | |
| MinceR | :) | Sep 25 19:59 |
| XRevan86 | The text on the cover says "the cleanest soap (mail)". | Sep 25 20:00 |
| XRevan86 | http://sostav.ru/news/2008/02/06/r3vopr | Sep 25 20:02 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.sostav.ru | ???? Google ???? ???? ????? | Sep 25 20:02 | |
| XRevan86 | Actually, it was distributed on student campuses, in 2008 :). | Sep 25 20:03 |
| XRevan86 | * at | Sep 25 20:03 |
| MinceR | "google thinks you stink" | Sep 25 20:03 |
| *TweetTuxMachines @schestowitz retweeted @tuxmachines: 'Red Hat: #Microsoft Blobs, Being Red Hat, #RedHat...' | Sep 25 20:04 | |
| XRevan86 | This slang is also very common, it's pretty much everywhere. So it's not only amongst techies. | Sep 25 20:06 |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines https://twitter.com/tuxmachines/status/912392275182931969 | Sep 25 20:07 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Android Leftovers https://t.co/Vtlx22JbG3 | Sep 25 20:07 |
| TweetTuxMachines | (www.tuxmachines.org) #android #linux #gogole #sony | Sep 25 20:07 |
| TweetTuxMachines | #xperia #tablet | Sep 25 20:07 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Android Leftovers | Tux Machines | Sep 25 20:07 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines https://twitter.com/tuxmachines/status/912392985928781824 | Sep 25 20:10 |
| TweetTuxMachines | A Quick Review Of #ParabolaLinux Distribution | Sep 25 20:10 |
| TweetTuxMachines | https://t.co/Jq8LBJ50SH (www.tuxmachines.org) #gnu #linux | Sep 25 20:10 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Sep 25 20:10 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | A Quick Review Of Parabola Linux Distribution | Tux Machines | Sep 25 20:10 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines https://twitter.com/tuxmachines/status/912393758905438211 | Sep 25 20:12 |
| TweetTuxMachines | #Qt 5.10 Alpha in testing for #KDE #neon | Sep 25 20:12 |
| TweetTuxMachines | https://t.co/GrqMA8sMvq (www.tuxmachines.org) #gnu #linux | Sep 25 20:12 |
| TweetTuxMachines | #plasma #freedom | Sep 25 20:12 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Qt 5.10 Alpha in testing for KDE neon | Tux Machines | Sep 25 20:12 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines https://twitter.com/tuxmachines/status/912394425040556032 | Sep 25 20:14 |
| TweetTuxMachines | #UbuntuTouch OTA-2 Rolls Out for Ubuntu Phones, Including | Sep 25 20:14 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Nexus 4 & Nexus 7 2013 | Sep 25 20:14 |
| TweetTuxMachines | https://t.co/u6yTVhYO9c (www.tuxmachines.org) | Sep 25 20:14 |
| TweetTuxMachines | #ubuntu #gnu #linux | Sep 25 20:14 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Ubuntu Touch OTA-2 Rolls Out for Ubuntu Phones, Including Nexus 4 & Nexus 7 2013 | Tux Machines | Sep 25 20:14 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines https://twitter.com/tuxmachines/status/912394821368762368 | Sep 25 20:16 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Are These the Toughest Linux Operating Systems to | Sep 25 20:16 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Install? | Sep 25 20:16 |
| TweetTuxMachines | https://t.co/pbEBggKzNz (www.tuxmachines.org) | Sep 25 20:16 |
| TweetTuxMachines | #gnu #linux | Sep 25 20:16 |
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| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines https://twitter.com/tuxmachines/status/912395304175046656 | Sep 25 20:16 |
| TweetTuxMachines | SUSE Linux turns 25: From business distro leader to | Sep 25 20:16 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Are These the Toughest Linux Operating Systems to Install? | Tux Machines | Sep 25 20:16 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | #server power | Sep 25 20:16 |
| TweetTuxMachines | https://t.co/AFTS5Rmt03 (www.tuxmachines.org) | Sep 25 20:16 |
| TweetTuxMachines | #suse #gnu #linux | Sep 25 20:16 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Sep 25 20:16 | |
| *TweetTuxMachines @argumento_ favourited 'SUSE Linux turns 25: From business distro leader...' | Sep 25 20:16 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | SUSE Linux turns 25: From business distro leader to cloud power | Tux Machines | Sep 25 20:16 | |
| *TweetTuxMachines @schestowitz retweeted @tuxmachines: 'SUSE Linux turns 25: From business distro leader...' | Sep 25 20:21 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines https://twitter.com/MiroWare/status/912396719920418819 | Sep 25 20:26 |
| TweetTuxMachines | retweeted by SUSE Linux turns 25: From business distro leader to | Sep 25 20:26 |
| TweetTuxMachines | @MiroWare #server power | Sep 25 20:26 |
| TweetTuxMachines | https://t.co/AFTS5Rmt03 (www.tuxmachines.org) | Sep 25 20:26 |
| TweetTuxMachines | #suse #gnu #linux | Sep 25 20:26 |
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| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/912397991943835648 | Sep 25 20:29 |
| TweetTuxMachines | retweeted by Are These the Toughest Linux Operating Systems to | Sep 25 20:29 |
| TweetTuxMachines | @schestowitz Install? | Sep 25 20:29 |
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| TweetTuxMachines | #gnu #linux | Sep 25 20:29 |
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| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/912399194173972480 | Sep 25 20:32 |
| TweetTuxMachines | retweeted by #UbuntuTouch OTA-2 Rolls Out for Ubuntu Phones, Including | Sep 25 20:32 |
| TweetTuxMachines | @schestowitz Nexus 4 & Nexus 7 2013 | Sep 25 20:32 |
| TweetTuxMachines | https://t.co/u6yTVhYO9c (www.tuxmachines.org) | Sep 25 20:32 |
| TweetTuxMachines | #ubuntu #gnu #linux | Sep 25 20:32 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Ubuntu Touch OTA-2 Rolls Out for Ubuntu Phones, Including Nexus 4 & Nexus 7 2013 | Tux Machines | Sep 25 20:32 | |
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| *TweetTuxMachines @MariusNestor favourited '#UbuntuTouch OTA-2 Rolls Out for Ubuntu Phones, Including...' | Sep 25 20:34 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines https://twitter.com/tuxmachines/status/912399819049783296 | Sep 25 20:36 |
| TweetTuxMachines | #LibreELEC (Krypton) v8.1.2 BETA | Sep 25 20:36 |
| TweetTuxMachines | https://t.co/iI4R7CXgVd (www.tuxmachines.org) #kodi #gnu | Sep 25 20:36 |
| TweetTuxMachines | #linux #freesw | Sep 25 20:36 |
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| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/912400265566965760 | Sep 25 20:36 |
| TweetTuxMachines | retweeted by #Qt 5.10 Alpha in testing for #KDE #neon | Sep 25 20:36 |
| TweetTuxMachines | @schestowitz https://t.co/GrqMA8sMvq (www.tuxmachines.org) #gnu #linux | Sep 25 20:36 |
| TweetTuxMachines | #plasma #freedom | Sep 25 20:36 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | LibreELEC (Krypton) v8.1.2 BETA | Tux Machines | Sep 25 20:37 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Qt 5.10 Alpha in testing for KDE neon | Tux Machines | Sep 25 20:38 | |
| *TweetTuxMachines @softpedialinux favourited '#UbuntuTouch OTA-2 Rolls Out for Ubuntu Phones, Including...' | Sep 25 20:39 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/912401085725364230 | Sep 25 20:43 |
| TweetTuxMachines | retweeted by A Quick Review Of #ParabolaLinux Distribution | Sep 25 20:43 |
| TweetTuxMachines | @schestowitz https://t.co/Jq8LBJ50SH (www.tuxmachines.org) #gnu #linux | Sep 25 20:43 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Sep 25 20:43 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | A Quick Review Of Parabola Linux Distribution | Tux Machines | Sep 25 20:43 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/912402259115413506 | Sep 25 20:45 |
| TweetTuxMachines | retweeted by Android Leftovers https://t.co/Vtlx22JbG3 | Sep 25 20:45 |
| TweetTuxMachines | @schestowitz (www.tuxmachines.org) #android #linux #gogole #sony | Sep 25 20:45 |
| TweetTuxMachines | #xperia #tablet | Sep 25 20:45 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Sep 25 20:45 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Android Leftovers | Tux Machines | Sep 25 20:45 | |
| *TweetTuxMachines @iridesce57 favourited 'Richard Stallman says Microsoft's Linux love-in is a...' | Sep 25 20:50 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/912403916427612161 | Sep 25 20:50 |
| TweetTuxMachines | retweeted by #LibreELEC (Krypton) v8.1.2 BETA | Sep 25 20:50 |
| TweetTuxMachines | @schestowitz https://t.co/iI4R7CXgVd (www.tuxmachines.org) #kodi #gnu | Sep 25 20:50 |
| TweetTuxMachines | #linux #freesw | Sep 25 20:50 |
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| MinceR | https://i.imgur.com/d57YcLr.gif | Sep 25 20:51 |
| MinceR | https://imgur.com/gallery/OA1kc | Sep 25 20:55 |
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| schestowitz | what's this guy doing? | Sep 25 20:57 |
| schestowitz | We fed these today | Sep 25 20:58 |
| schestowitz | why on the roof? | Sep 25 20:58 |
| schestowitz | Why is AP covering this? | Sep 25 20:58 |
| MinceR | it's obviously reversed | Sep 25 20:59 |
| MinceR | but it's a lot funnier this way | Sep 25 20:59 |
| MinceR | also, someone said it's totally unnecessary to catch the ducks, they're light enough to land safely anyway | Sep 25 20:59 |
| MinceR | https://imgur.com/gallery/3IeUs | Sep 25 21:00 |
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| XRevan86 | I still haven't figured out why using private email for official business is such a giant deal. | Sep 25 21:03 |
| XRevan86 | IIRC, Hillary even self-hosted email | Sep 25 21:03 |
| MinceR | that's the point | Sep 25 21:04 |
| MinceR | the nazis are all up in arms because of hillarious using self-hosted email illegally | Sep 25 21:04 |
| MinceR | and then they go right ahead and do the exact same thing | Sep 25 21:04 |
| MinceR | and don't even hide it | Sep 25 21:04 |
| MinceR | they have no shame | Sep 25 21:04 |
| schestowitz | both break laws | Sep 25 21:05 |
| schestowitz | federal laws | Sep 25 21:05 |
| schestowitz | so it's a case of hypocrisy too, not just lack of legal enforcement | Sep 25 21:05 |
| schestowitz | elite immunity | Sep 25 21:05 |
| schestowitz | XRevan86: got it re ducks | Sep 25 21:06 |
| schestowitz | and it's true, they would land ok | Sep 25 21:06 |
| XRevan86 | schestowitz: I didn't say anything about ducks :). | Sep 25 21:06 |
| schestowitz | oops, I meant MinceR | Sep 25 21:06 |
| MinceR | :) | Sep 25 21:06 |
| schestowitz | spasiva | Sep 25 21:06 |
| MinceR | https://i.imgur.com/0IZOqXn.jpg | Sep 25 21:07 |
| XRevan86 | What's "spasiva"? | Sep 25 21:07 |
| XRevan86 | MinceR: touché :) | Sep 25 21:08 |
| schestowitz | XRevan86: in Russian? | Sep 25 21:09 |
| XRevan86 | schestowitz: Oh, that'd be "spasibo"/"spasiba" | Sep 25 21:09 |
| XRevan86 | "в" in Cyrillic means "v", as the letter is of modern Greek origin. | Sep 25 21:09 |
| XRevan86 | and "б" means "b" | Sep 25 21:09 |
| schestowitz | I wrote it like I heard it :-) | Sep 25 21:10 |
| XRevan86 | schestowitz: I guess b/v are similiarly sounding sounds :). | Sep 25 21:11 |
| XRevan86 | so, fair %) | Sep 25 21:12 |
| schestowitz | I had many Russian friends when I was young | Sep 25 21:14 |
| schestowitz | I can still speak fake Russian | Sep 25 21:14 |
| schestowitz | Only works on people who don't understand it | Sep 25 21:14 |
| XRevan86 | schestowitz: Intriguing :) | Sep 25 21:16 |
| XRevan86 | schestowitz: Intriguyet | Sep 25 21:17 |
| schestowitz | nyet | Sep 25 21:18 |
| schestowitz | acazal | Sep 25 21:19 |
| schestowitz | scazal | Sep 25 21:19 |
| XRevan86 | schestowitz: "no, (I) said". So far valid ;) | Sep 25 21:19 |
| XRevan86 | the quality of russianness here depends on how you say "ye" in "nyet" %) | Sep 25 21:22 |
| XRevan86 | as there are only three sounds in the word | Sep 25 21:23 |
| MinceR | :) | Sep 25 21:24 |
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| XRevan86 | https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Polish_phonology#Hard_and_soft_consonants I wasn't sure but now I know Polish has that too. | Sep 25 21:36 |
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| schestowitz | XRevan86: thanks | Sep 25 21:36 |
| XRevan86 | so Polish "nie" is pronounced exactly the same as the "nyet" except for the lack of "t" at the end | Sep 25 21:37 |
| XRevan86 | * as the Russian "nyet" | Sep 25 21:37 |
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| schestowitz | I don't know Polish much | Sep 25 21:41 |
| schestowitz | barely any..(no words) | Sep 25 21:41 |
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| TweetTuxMachines | Red Hat Reports Second Quarter Results for Fiscal Year | Sep 25 21:41 |
| TweetTuxMachines | 2018 | Sep 25 21:41 |
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| TweetTuxMachines | #gnu #linux | Sep 25 21:41 |
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| schestowitz | many Poles in manchester though | Sep 25 21:41 |
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| MinceR | how much are they hated? | Sep 25 21:42 |
| *XRevan86 just checked how to say "skazal" in Polish, and it's "powiedział" %) | Sep 25 21:42 | |
| XRevan86 | cognate to Rusisan "povyedal" I bet | Sep 25 21:43 |
| XRevan86 | * to Russian | Sep 25 21:43 |
| XRevan86 | Rusi-san %) | Sep 25 21:43 |
| MinceR | :) | Sep 25 21:43 |
| XRevan86 | (23:18:52) schestowitz: nyet | Sep 25 21:44 |
| XRevan86 | (23:19:07) schestowitz: scazal | Sep 25 21:44 |
| XRevan86 | schestowitz: You can at least claim some Ukrainian :D | Sep 25 21:44 |
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| XRevan86 | in Ukrainian that would be "nit, skazaw" | Sep 25 21:45 |
| XRevan86 | ("w" as in English) | Sep 25 21:45 |
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| XRevan86 | It seems Polish also changes l's to w's in speech | Sep 25 21:47 |
| XRevan86 | except in Polish "ł" with a vowel afterwards still sounds as "w" o_0 | Sep 25 21:48 |
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| XRevan86 | Russian: on skazal, ona skazala; Ukrainian: vin skazaw, vona skazala; Polish: on powiedział (povijaw), ona powiedziała (povijawa), where "j" is as in English. | Sep 25 21:50 |
| XRevan86 | One can notice here that in Ukrainian in most words (of Slavic roots) the stressed "o" in some cases turns into "i" | Sep 25 21:51 |
| XRevan86 | If one wonders why "Lvov" can be "Lviv" and "Kiev" can be "Kyiv" | Sep 25 21:52 |
| XRevan86 | Ya bul u Lvovi, Lviv – gharne misto. | Sep 25 21:53 |
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| XRevan86 | (Russian: Ya byl vo Lvovye, Lvov – khoroshiy ghorod) | Sep 25 21:54 |
| XRevan86 | Just spitting my knowledge here %). | Sep 25 21:54 |
| MinceR | https://imgur.com/gallery/kPPUsI8 | Sep 25 21:55 |
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| XRevan86 | (the word "gharno" in Russian also exists, but has a more expressive nature, the word "misto" too in a form "myesto" but means "place" instead of "town") | Sep 25 21:56 |
| XRevan86 | So, etymologically "Lvov" is more correct, but if someone wants to say it in Ukrainian in the nominative case, it's "Lviv". | Sep 25 21:58 |
| XRevan86 | Same with "Kiev": "Kyyiv, u Kyyevi" (Russian: "Kiyev, v Kiyevye") | Sep 25 21:58 |
| XRevan86 | (Kiev, in Kiev) | Sep 25 21:59 |
| XRevan86 | If somebody still cares, prefixes "u" and "v" in Ukrainian are completely interchangable and are placed in same places as Russian prefixes "u", "v", "vo". Understanding, which prefix it is in Ukrainian comes from the declension. | Sep 25 22:03 |
| XRevan86 | near the city: (ru) u ghoroda, (ukr) u mista (v mista) | Sep 25 22:05 |
| XRevan86 | in the city: (ru) v ghorode, (ukr) u misti (v misti) | Sep 25 22:05 |
| XRevan86 | prons: no need for a hacky "vo" (vo Lvovye, because "v Lvovye" sounds bad), phonetically better | Sep 25 22:05 |
| XRevan86 | cons: at the cafe and by the cafe would both be "u cafe" ("v cafe"), because the word "cafe" has no declensions. | Sep 25 22:07 |
| XRevan86 | Correction: "u", "v" and "w" in Ukrainian. | Sep 25 22:09 |
| XRevan86 | they don't have the letter but they do have the sound | Sep 25 22:09 |
| XRevan86 | And Belarusian does have the letter: "ў" | Sep 25 22:10 |
| XRevan86 | so "I said" in Belarusian is spelled as "я сказаў", "я сказала" (ya skazaw, ya skazala) | Sep 25 22:11 |
| XRevan86 | when Ukrainian spells as "я сказав", "я сказала" | Sep 25 22:11 |
| XRevan86 | MinceR: I don't know why it is so hard to stop telling information for me :). | Sep 25 22:14 |
| MinceR | :) | Sep 25 22:14 |
| MinceR | and in ukrainian there's that new thing, the х with breve on top :> | Sep 25 22:16 |
| MinceR | https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:PTN_KhYLO_1.jpg | Sep 25 22:16 |
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| XRevan86 | MinceR: lol | Sep 25 22:16 |
| XRevan86 | An interesting way of shortening "уй" %) | Sep 25 22:17 |
| MinceR | хуй, even | Sep 25 22:17 |
| XRevan86 | MinceR: Well, the "х" is intact %) | Sep 25 22:18 |
| XRevan86 | MinceR: That's some heavy swearing, I don't dare spelling it completely %) | Sep 25 22:19 |
| MinceR | :) | Sep 25 22:19 |
| XRevan86 | MinceR: Also not necessarily Ukrainian, completely compatible with the three languages %). | Sep 25 22:20 |
| MinceR | :) | Sep 25 22:22 |
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| XRevan86 | The Ukrainian word for a minute is amusing: "khvilina". English speakers can guess what it means :). | Sep 25 22:31 |
| XRevan86 | what it originates from rather | Sep 25 22:31 |
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| XRevan86 | pff, okay, it comes from "while" | Sep 25 22:36 |
| MinceR | there's "bloknot" in russian... | Sep 25 22:36 |
| XRevan86 | MinceR: From French, yeah. | Sep 25 22:37 |
| XRevan86 | bloc-notes | Sep 25 22:37 |
| MinceR | lol, i thought it was from english | Sep 25 22:37 |
| MinceR | but then, english is ~half french | Sep 25 22:38 |
| XRevan86 | MinceR: then it's be "noutbuk" :) | Sep 25 22:38 |
| MinceR | :) | Sep 25 22:38 |
| XRevan86 | (that's how laptops are called in Russian, BTW) | Sep 25 22:38 |
| XRevan86 | huh, also bloknot in Ukrainian | Sep 25 22:39 |
| XRevan86 | I guess borrowed from Russian | Sep 25 22:39 |
| XRevan86 | Ukrainian is not that into French as Russian. | Sep 25 22:39 |
| XRevan86 | MinceR: Well, yeah :). | Sep 25 22:40 |
| XRevan86 | I wonder if that's the reason why most English speakers study French at school | Sep 25 22:44 |
| XRevan86 | comparatively simpler than other languages but at the same time of a different language family | Sep 25 22:45 |
| XRevan86 | sed ankaŭ ne estas Esperanto | Sep 25 22:47 |
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| schestowitz | bloody star wars? | Sep 25 23:05 |
| MinceR | :) | Sep 25 23:05 |
| XRevan86 | schestowitz: Yep. | Sep 25 23:05 |
| schestowitz | :-) | Sep 25 23:05 |
| schestowitz | I never liked it | Sep 25 23:05 |
| XRevan86 | Like you said before %). | Sep 25 23:05 |
| XRevan86 | I back then said that I like originals, but not so much the prequels (the three newer ones before Disney) | Sep 25 23:08 |
| MinceR | i liked the prequels, especially 2 and 3 | Sep 25 23:09 |
| MinceR | but i liked the 3D CGI series more (the last Clone Wars series and the Rebels series) | Sep 25 23:09 |
| MinceR | the fight scenes work a lot better in those | Sep 25 23:09 |
| MinceR | i enjoyed one of the RPGs too (Star Wars Saga Edition) despite its flaws | Sep 25 23:10 |
| XRevan86 | MinceR: 2 and 3 are a lot better than 1, that's for sure. | Sep 25 23:11 |
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| cubexyz | well, back in 1977 I thought Star Wars was cool | Sep 25 23:18 |
| cubexyz | got the star wars LP for Christmas... in 1978 (or 1977) | Sep 25 23:19 |
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| cubexyz | 40 years ago :) | Sep 25 23:28 |
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| XRevan86 | TODO: Read a part about Sodom and Gomorrah in Bible for Kids. | Sep 26 01:09 |
| *XRevan86 does. It's actually pretty boring. They only mention "sins". | Sep 26 01:11 | |
| XRevan86 | and doing evil to people | Sep 26 01:11 |
| XRevan86 | Although it ends with a passage, translated to: "The expression Sodom and Gomorrah is used today as well to define filthy behaviour (dunno, how to translate разврат better), including the sin god got angry so much because of, which lately is being spread ever more" | Sep 26 01:21 |
| XRevan86 | They didn't mention the exact reason but they've managed to put their opinion on it anyway :) | Sep 26 01:21 |
| XRevan86 | > “I do not permit a woman to teach or to have authority over a man; she must be silent.” (1 Timothy 2:12) | Sep 26 01:24 |
| XRevan86 | Found the part about Timothy there. Nothing about that. I wonder why… | Sep 26 01:24 |
| XRevan86 | Proven: Bibles for Kids are no fun. | Sep 26 01:26 |
| cubexyz | most things don't withstand close scrunity | Sep 26 01:39 |
| cubexyz | talking snakes? talking donkeys? | Sep 26 01:42 |
| cubexyz | Balaam was rebuked by a donkey :) | Sep 26 01:42 |
| cubexyz | Numbers 22:21-35 | Sep 26 01:43 |
| XRevan86 | cubexyz: Bible is not only questionable factually, but also morally :) | Sep 26 01:44 |
| XRevan86 | the fact that Bible is not really with the facts, is kind of obvious now | Sep 26 01:45 |
| XRevan86 | but some people still believe that Bible is some sort of awesome moral code | Sep 26 01:45 |
| XRevan86 | It is if you hate non-Jewish people, women, gays, people of other religions. | Sep 26 01:46 |
| XRevan86 | whom else… | Sep 26 01:47 |
| cubexyz | the "thou shall not kill part" was good | Sep 26 01:47 |
| XRevan86 | cubexyz: with the list of exceptions :) | Sep 26 01:47 |
| XRevan86 | ah, yes, if you're pro-slavery | Sep 26 01:47 |
| cubexyz | what about animals? | Sep 26 01:48 |
| cubexyz | I guess they don't count | Sep 26 01:48 |
| XRevan86 | cubexyz: They have no souls, so it's okay. | Sep 26 01:48 |
| XRevan86 | hating animals, enlisted | Sep 26 01:48 |
| cubexyz | oh, another big one is Lazarus... | Sep 26 01:49 |
| cubexyz | dead for 4 days... | Sep 26 01:49 |
| XRevan86 | cubexyz: It's not sinful to kill an atheist, y'know. | Sep 26 01:49 |
| XRevan86 | cubexyz: Didn't know that :) | Sep 26 01:50 |
| XRevan86 | So, Christ is officialy a necromancer. | Sep 26 01:50 |
| cubexyz | ha | Sep 26 01:50 |
| cubexyz | I wonder how long he lived after he was raised from the dead | Sep 26 01:51 |
| XRevan86 | 33 years apparently | Sep 26 01:51 |
| XRevan86 | according to Wikipedia | Sep 26 01:51 |
| XRevan86 | or more | Sep 26 01:51 |
| XRevan86 | He left to Cyrpus in 30 years, died in 63 | Sep 26 01:51 |
| cubexyz | that brings me to Methuselah | Sep 26 01:53 |
| cubexyz | 969 year lifespan | Sep 26 01:53 |
| cubexyz | another interesting aberration | Sep 26 01:54 |
| XRevan86 | cubexyz: The first recorded zombie. | Sep 26 01:55 |
| XRevan86 | https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Methuselah#Literal | Sep 26 01:58 |
| XRevan86 | > Others introduce theological causes: humans were originally to have everlasting life, but sin was introduced into the world by Adam and Eve, its influence became greater with each generation, and God progressively shortened human life, particularly after the Flood. | Sep 26 01:58 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-en.wikipedia.org | Methuselah - Wikipedia | Sep 26 01:58 | |
| XRevan86 | Good thing the XX century started solving the original sin :D | Sep 26 01:58 |
| cubexyz | right, I read that part | Sep 26 01:58 |
| XRevan86 | humans even became generally taller | Sep 26 01:58 |
| cubexyz | Shem, Arphaxad and Shelah all lived over 400 years | Sep 26 01:58 |
| XRevan86 | cubexyz: It's really hard to read all this with a straight face. | Sep 26 01:59 |
| cubexyz | it's actually an exponential decay curve if you check how the ages decline over time | Sep 26 02:00 |
| XRevan86 | And if we involve all we factually know about human life expectancies over history… | Sep 26 02:01 |
| XRevan86 | it's a curve in the exact opposite direction | Sep 26 02:01 |
| cubexyz | but it was Hayflick that proved human cells can't divide indefinitely | Sep 26 02:01 |
| cubexyz | but now lifespans are increasing | Sep 26 02:02 |
| cubexyz | according to modern statistics | Sep 26 02:02 |
| XRevan86 | cubexyz: Since life conditions started improving | Sep 26 02:02 |
| XRevan86 | cubexyz: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hayflick_limit#Organismal_aging | Sep 26 02:03 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-en.wikipedia.org | Hayflick limit - Wikipedia | Sep 26 02:03 | |
| cubexyz | and big animals generally live longer | Sep 26 02:04 |
| XRevan86 | cubexyz: They probably simply need to more. | Sep 26 02:05 |
| XRevan86 | because the reproduction process is increasingly slower | Sep 26 02:05 |
| cubexyz | also larger animals have a slower heart beat | Sep 26 02:06 |
| cubexyz | e.g. turtles live longer than most other animals | Sep 26 02:06 |
| XRevan86 | cubexyz: yeah | Sep 26 02:07 |
| XRevan86 | I think humans would've lived forever if only there was an evolutionary advantage to that. | Sep 26 02:07 |
| cubexyz | one and a half billion heart beats is the limit | Sep 26 02:07 |
| cubexyz | so the elephant or whale has some x-factor that helps it live longer | Sep 26 02:08 |
| cubexyz | I think the elephants cells are more efficient than a mouse's | Sep 26 02:09 |
| XRevan86 | If one's super-heavy, one must be efficient :) | Sep 26 02:09 |
| XRevan86 | to pull it off | Sep 26 02:09 |
| cubexyz | but then humans live longer than elephants generally speaking | Sep 26 02:09 |
| XRevan86 | cubexyz: Not humans in their "natural habitats" %) | Sep 26 02:09 |
| XRevan86 | those don't outlive elephants generall | Sep 26 02:10 |
| XRevan86 | y | Sep 26 02:10 |
| cubexyz | actually the tallest humans generally live shorter lives | Sep 26 02:10 |
| XRevan86 | cubexyz: I mean, that elephants live worser lives than humans these days do | Sep 26 02:11 |
| cubexyz | so slow growth is the key | Sep 26 02:11 |
| XRevan86 | so they naturally live less | Sep 26 02:11 |
| cubexyz | oh yeah no doubt about it | Sep 26 02:11 |
| XRevan86 | cubexyz: A human body would have to be significantly redesigned to be okay with being taller/bigger. | Sep 26 02:11 |
| XRevan86 | something has to be done with that spine thing, it's not very good for tallness | Sep 26 02:12 |
| cubexyz | reduced calorie intake also helps one live longer | Sep 26 02:12 |
| cubexyz | children exposed to WWII rationing? they live longer than average | Sep 26 02:13 |
| XRevan86 | cubexyz: I'd rather say "optimal" | Sep 26 02:13 |
| XRevan86 | cubexyz: Those from the Leningrad blockade? Not so much. | Sep 26 02:13 |
| XRevan86 | scarred for life | Sep 26 02:13 |
| cubexyz | right, obviously there is a limit | Sep 26 02:13 |
| cubexyz | too much calorie reduction would be harmful | Sep 26 02:13 |
| cubexyz | eating less could meanh less cells dividing | Sep 26 02:15 |
| XRevan86 | cubexyz: Also the US is infamous for its food culture, so correlations from there are probably not very good :) | Sep 26 02:15 |
| cubexyz | not all of us pig out on fast food | Sep 26 02:15 |
| cubexyz | I'm pretty sure the calorie reduction method does work though | Sep 26 02:16 |
| XRevan86 | (food delivery?) | Sep 26 02:16 |
| cubexyz | dwarf mouse lives longer than regular mouse... | Sep 26 02:16 |
| XRevan86 | cubexyz: Aren't you from Canada? %) | Sep 26 02:16 |
| cubexyz | XRevan86, yes | Sep 26 02:16 |
| XRevan86 | > the US | Sep 26 02:16 |
| XRevan86 | > of us | Sep 26 02:16 |
| cubexyz | well, we have a lot of the bad fast food in Canada | Sep 26 02:17 |
| cubexyz | Burger King, McDonalds, KFC, etc | Sep 26 02:17 |
| cubexyz | I'm sure even Russia probably has some | Sep 26 02:17 |
| XRevan86 | cubexyz: Yeah, Burger King, McDonalds, KFC, etc | Sep 26 02:17 |
| cubexyz | dwarf mouse lack growth hormone GH | Sep 26 02:18 |
| cubexyz | their thyroid was different too | Sep 26 02:18 |
| XRevan86 | cubexyz: Maybe its heart is less stressed or something. | Sep 26 02:18 |
| cubexyz | also there was a measured reduction in insulin production | Sep 26 02:19 |
| cubexyz | interesting stuff | Sep 26 02:19 |
| cubexyz | https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/15536017 | Sep 26 02:19 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov | Life extension in the dwarf mouse. - PubMed - NCBI | Sep 26 02:19 | |
| XRevan86 | diabetic mouse %) | Sep 26 02:19 |
| XRevan86 | mice | Sep 26 02:19 |
| cubexyz | but the dwarf mouse lived much longer than regular mouse | Sep 26 02:20 |
| cubexyz | kind of like a dim light bulb burning out much more slowly | Sep 26 02:20 |
| XRevan86 | cubexyz: Well, the most obvious thing here is… dwarf don't seem to have a lifespan advantage | Sep 26 02:21 |
| XRevan86 | * dwarf humans | Sep 26 02:21 |
| XRevan86 | intended to write the word there but got caught up in trying to spell "dwarf" correctly | Sep 26 02:22 |
| cubexyz | it's not the same though... | Sep 26 02:22 |
| XRevan86 | for some reason my fingers want to print it as "drawf" | Sep 26 02:22 |
| cubexyz | dwarf mouse is not a normal mouse with dwarfism | Sep 26 02:22 |
| cubexyz | it's a different species of mouse | Sep 26 02:22 |
| cubexyz | as far as I know anyway | Sep 26 02:23 |
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| cubexyz | I'm no expert | Sep 26 02:23 |
| cubexyz | Mus Minutoides is the scientific name | Sep 26 02:24 |
| XRevan86 | cubexyz: Dwarfism in humans can only be debated as a subspecies, it all depends on how one looks at it | Sep 26 02:24 |
| cubexyz | dwarf parents can have normal size children | Sep 26 02:25 |
| XRevan86 | cubexyz: recessive and dominant genes, all that sort of stuff | Sep 26 02:25 |
| XRevan86 | if there's an environment when being a midget has a significant advantage, there everyone will be | Sep 26 02:26 |
| cubexyz | dwarf human can live a normal lifespan | Sep 26 02:26 |
| XRevan86 | cubexyz: That's the point, where's the surpassing? :) | Sep 26 02:26 |
| cubexyz | we can look at averages and statistics | Sep 26 02:26 |
| XRevan86 | they need less calories and stuff | Sep 26 02:26 |
| cubexyz | generally speaking big fat humans live shorter lives | Sep 26 02:27 |
| XRevan86 | why don't they live longer then | Sep 26 02:27 |
| XRevan86 | cubexyz: And healthy humans live longer lives. | Sep 26 02:27 |
| cubexyz | XRevan86, generally shorter humans live longer, but there must be a limit | Sep 26 02:27 |
| cubexyz | look at statistics for humans over 7 feet tall | Sep 26 02:28 |
| cubexyz | but do dwarfs live longer than normal, probably not | Sep 26 02:28 |
| XRevan86 | cubexyz: How long is that? %) | Sep 26 02:28 |
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| *XRevan86 looks at his foot closely. | Sep 26 02:28 | |
| cubexyz | dwarf mouse lived about 50% longer than average | Sep 26 02:29 |
| cubexyz | that's a big difference | Sep 26 02:29 |
| XRevan86 | 2.14 metres | Sep 26 02:30 |
| cubexyz | dwarfism in humans is defined as 147 cm or shorter | Sep 26 02:30 |
| XRevan86 | "over 2 metres tall", got ya | Sep 26 02:30 |
| XRevan86 | cubexyz: I was looking for the correspondence with "7 feet" | Sep 26 02:30 |
| cubexyz | generally dwarfism in humans (which varies a lot with different conditions) have a normal lifespan | Sep 26 02:31 |
| XRevan86 | I'm very bad with the British Imperial units. | Sep 26 02:31 |
| cubexyz | but not longer, as you pointed out | Sep 26 02:31 |
| cubexyz | XRevan86, ok, I will stick with metric then | Sep 26 02:31 |
| XRevan86 | cubexyz: That'll be appreciated :) | Sep 26 02:32 |
| cubexyz | average guy is probably 177 cm in height | Sep 26 02:32 |
| cubexyz | that's about what I am | Sep 26 02:32 |
| XRevan86 | I'm 179 cm or something like that | Sep 26 02:33 |
| XRevan86 | cubexyz: That depends on the region though. | Sep 26 02:33 |
| cubexyz | 6 foot tall is 183 cm | Sep 26 02:33 |
| XRevan86 | IIRC, Brazilians, for instance, are generally much shorter. | Sep 26 02:33 |
| XRevan86 | https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_average_human_height_worldwide | Sep 26 02:34 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-en.wikipedia.org | List of average human height worldwide - Wikipedia | Sep 26 02:34 | |
| XRevan86 | > 171 cm | Sep 26 02:34 |
| XRevan86 | or maybe not :) | Sep 26 02:34 |
| XRevan86 | (for a male) | Sep 26 02:34 |
| cubexyz | height relative to longevity: | Sep 26 02:35 |
| cubexyz | https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC1071721/figure/fig1/ | Sep 26 02:36 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov | PubMed Central, Figure 1: West J Med. 2002 May; 176(3): 206–208. | Sep 26 02:36 | |
| cubexyz | taller baseball players lived shorter lives | Sep 26 02:36 |
| XRevan86 | cubexyz: baseball players :) | Sep 26 02:37 |
| cubexyz | rapid growth had a positive correlation with cancer | Sep 26 02:37 |
| XRevan86 | cubexyz: But for an average human, what's the positive difference between being a perfectly normal healthy human and being… calorie reduced? | Sep 26 02:39 |
| cubexyz | ok I know about the test they did with mice... | Sep 26 02:39 |
| XRevan86 | for instance, gymnastics increase calorie consumption | Sep 26 02:39 |
| cubexyz | they let the mice eat as much as they wanted in group #1 | Sep 26 02:39 |
| cubexyz | in group #2 they gave them half of that amount of food | Sep 26 02:40 |
| cubexyz | group #2 lived longer | Sep 26 02:40 |
| XRevan86 | would that means that a person who exercises will live a shorter life because he consume naturally more? | Sep 26 02:40 |
| XRevan86 | cubexyz: This could mean that mice have no control over how much they consume. | Sep 26 02:40 |
| cubexyz | XRevan86, good question | Sep 26 02:41 |
| *XRevan86 has verb s's mixed up there %). No idea how that happened. | Sep 26 02:42 | |
| XRevan86 | A proof that I don't think much about my English when I type? :) | Sep 26 02:42 |
| cubexyz | probably no exercise is worse than some exercise, but extreme exercise has probably no benefit | Sep 26 02:42 |
| cubexyz | XRevan86, your english is readable :) | Sep 26 02:42 |
| cubexyz | plus atheletes are probably more careful what they eat | Sep 26 02:43 |
| cubexyz | also the oldest person ever wasn't an athelete | Sep 26 02:44 |
| XRevan86 | cubexyz: Athletes is an overdo | Sep 26 02:44 |
| cubexyz | but not a couch potato either | Sep 26 02:45 |
| XRevan86 | > XRevan86, your english is readable :) | Sep 26 02:45 |
| XRevan86 | Well, I'm aiming at the category "reasonable English for the native speaker". | Sep 26 02:45 |
| cubexyz | but you can see that the modern 120 year limit doesn't match up to the biblical claims of over 900 years | Sep 26 02:45 |
| cubexyz | there's no real "methuselah mouse" either | Sep 26 02:46 |
| XRevan86 | But everyone is too satisfied with readable English to point me to improvements :). | Sep 26 02:46 |
| cubexyz | a 50% improvement in lifespan is big, but 900+ years is more like 900% | Sep 26 02:47 |
| cubexyz | trying to remember what the record was for the mouse | Sep 26 02:50 |
| cubexyz | 1,356 days I think | Sep 26 02:51 |
| cubexyz | 3.7 years | Sep 26 02:51 |
| cubexyz | some biogerontologists say aging is reversible | Sep 26 02:53 |
| XRevan86 | cubexyz: Maybe biblical ages are counted in mouse years | Sep 26 02:53 |
| cubexyz | I think 1 mouse year = 58 human years | Sep 26 02:54 |
| cubexyz | so that's pretty good, but 3.7 * 58 only would equal 214.6 years | Sep 26 02:55 |
| cubexyz | still not up to Methuselah levels | Sep 26 02:55 |
| XRevan86 | 969 / 58 = 16.7 | Sep 26 02:56 |
| XRevan86 | Nah, that's too low now. | Sep 26 02:57 |
| cubexyz | Methuselah was at least 8 times the maximum of 120 years | Sep 26 02:57 |
| cubexyz | no way to reconcil that | Sep 26 02:58 |
| cubexyz | reconcile rather | Sep 26 02:58 |
| XRevan86 | Dog years? :) | Sep 26 02:59 |
| cubexyz | that's a lot closer | Sep 26 02:59 |
| XRevan86 | One to seven | Sep 26 03:01 |
| XRevan86 | Now too much :-/ | Sep 26 03:02 |
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| XRevan86 | http://kormany.hu/hu/kulgazdasagi-es-kulugyminiszterium/hirek/ukrajnanak-ez-fajni-fog https://newsru.com/world/26sep2017/forgetit.html | Sep 26 14:49 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-NEWSru.com :: Венгрия посоветовала Украине забыть о дальнейшей интеграции в ЕС из-за закона о языке образования | Sep 26 14:49 | |
| XRevan86 | Ukraine's president Poroshenko signed a decree that makes all education since middle school mandatory to be performed in Ukrainian with a plan to shift it to be completely Ukrainian in all stages since 2020. | Sep 26 14:52 |
| schestowitz | XRevan86: about FB? | Sep 26 14:52 |
| MinceR | the first link is broken, as expected | Sep 26 14:52 |
| schestowitz | I heard they might ban it soon | Sep 26 14:52 |
| XRevan86 | * http://www.kormany.hu/hu/kulgazdasagi-es-kulugyminiszterium/hirek/ukrajnanak-ez-fajni-fog | Sep 26 14:52 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.kormany.hu | NO TITLE | Sep 26 14:52 | |
| XRevan86 | MinceR: oops | Sep 26 14:52 |
| XRevan86 | schestowitz: Russia hints Facebook that it's likely to get banned in 2018. | Sep 26 14:53 |
| MinceR | ah yes, i've read about this circus before | Sep 26 14:53 |
| XRevan86 | MinceR: Which one? %) | Sep 26 14:53 |
| MinceR | the one where hungarians misinterpreted a ukrainian law change and threw a fit | Sep 26 14:53 |
| XRevan86 | Is it misinterpreted? | Sep 26 14:54 |
| MinceR | i vaguely remember reading that the effects are not even nearly as severe as they thought they were | Sep 26 14:54 |
| MinceR | then again, the hungarian state party is putin's lapdog | Sep 26 14:54 |
| XRevan86 | http://life.pravda.com.ua/society/2017/09/5/225241 | Sep 26 14:57 |
| XRevan86 | > МініÑÑ‚Ñ€ оÑвіти Ð›Ñ–Ð»Ñ–Ñ Ð“Ñ€Ð¸Ð½ÐµÐ²Ð¸Ñ‡ уточнила, що українÑьку мову у школах починатимуть вводити дітÑм меншин поÑтупово. "У п’Ñтому клаÑÑ– й потім розширюватиметьÑÑ ÐºÑ–Ð»ÑŒÐºÑ–ÑÑ‚ÑŒ предметів державною мовою. У 11-му дитина вчитиме вÑÑ– предмети українÑькою Ñ– лише Ð | Sep 26 14:57 |
| XRevan86 | ка – мову, літературу – мовою меншин", – пояснила вона. | Sep 26 14:57 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-life.pravda.com.ua | ????? ? ??? ???: ?? ???? ??? "?? ???" | ?????? ??? _??? | Sep 26 14:57 | |
| XRevan86 | MinceR: Seems legit. | Sep 26 14:57 |
| XRevan86 | They do make Ukrainian mandatory for all. | Sep 26 14:57 |
| MinceR | afaik they didn't ban parallel education in other languages, though | Sep 26 14:58 |
| XRevan86 | MinceR: You mean, off school? | Sep 26 14:58 |
| MinceR | do they not have dual-language schools over there? | Sep 26 14:59 |
| schestowitz | XRevan86: thanks for the explanation | Sep 26 14:59 |
| schestowitz | XRevan86: earlier today I read it might be next week | Sep 26 14:59 |
| XRevan86 | MinceR: Apparently they won't now. | Sep 26 14:59 |
| XRevan86 | > In the 11th grade the child will learn all studies on Ukrainian and only some – language, literature – on the minority language. | Sep 26 15:00 |
| XRevan86 | words of the education minister | Sep 26 15:00 |
| MinceR | i fail to see the significance of this | Sep 26 15:00 |
| XRevan86 | schestowitz: RF wants all social networks to store data locally, Facebook apparently doesn't comply or doesn't comply completely. | Sep 26 15:03 |
| XRevan86 | Facebook is not the most popular social network in Russia, so they can pull that off without ruining everyone's lifeflow. | Sep 26 15:04 |
| XRevan86 | So, basically, they *can* do it. | Sep 26 15:05 |
| XRevan86 | MinceR: Rights of minorities or something. | Sep 26 15:05 |
| XRevan86 | I wonder what language Catalans learn in school with %). | Sep 26 15:06 |
| XRevan86 | https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Education_in_Catalan | Sep 26 15:06 |
| XRevan86 | > Along with democracy the Catalan language was restored in the sphere of education. | Sep 26 15:06 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-en.wikipedia.org | Education in Catalan - Wikipedia | Sep 26 15:07 | |
| XRevan86 | I honestly thought it'll be harder to find this out. | Sep 26 15:07 |
| XRevan86 | > Catalan was removed from the sphere of education between the 17th and 20th centuries, as the various states in which the language is spoken imposed obligatory education in the respective state language. | Sep 26 15:07 |
| XRevan86 | So, basically, this. Except not Catalan but Moldavian, Russian, Rusin (I wonder if they tought in Rusin), and 21th century Ukraine. | Sep 26 15:08 |
| XRevan86 | MinceR: Poroshenko believes that a strong Ukraine needs a strong national identity. I simply see that as a reflexion of that. | Sep 26 15:13 |
| XRevan86 | I'm not a patriotic kind, so I have no sympathy for that. | Sep 26 15:13 |
| MinceR | ic | Sep 26 15:14 |
| XRevan86 | If I'm not mistaken, Russian is the language of education all across RF. | Sep 26 15:19 |
| XRevan86 | But RF never had a problem accusing others of things it did itself :). | Sep 26 15:20 |
| XRevan86 | https://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/Образование_на_языках_народов_России hm | Sep 26 15:25 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-ru.wikipedia.org | Образование на языках народов России — Википедия | Sep 26 15:25 | |
| XRevan86 | > As it was noted in 1994, only on Bashkirian, Tatarian and Yakut languages school education was available from the first to the last classes. | Sep 26 15:25 |
| XRevan86 | Things aren't as monolithic as I thought, but things are very similiar to what Ukraine will do anyway. | Sep 26 15:26 |
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| XRevan86 | I should also point out that Poroshenko's ratings in Ukraine are as low as ever. And unlike Putin he won't be the eternal president :). Likely won't be reelected even. | Sep 26 15:31 |
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| XRevan86 | I have a feeling Facebook will comply with the demands. | Sep 26 15:38 |
| MinceR | :> | Sep 26 15:40 |
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| *TweetTuxMachines @tuxmachines favourited '@FurryThug @realDonaldTrump Have fun with your clown 'President'...' | Sep 26 17:20 | |
| *TweetTuxMachines @tuxmachines favourited retweet 'RT @schestowitz: @FurryThug @realDonaldTrump Have fun with your...' | Sep 26 17:20 | |
| *TweetTuxMachines @tuxmachines favourited '@FurryThug @realDonaldTrump It's the same upper class robbing...' | Sep 26 17:20 | |
| *TweetTuxMachines @tuxmachines favourited retweet 'RT @schestowitz: @FurryThug @realDonaldTrump It's the same upper...' | Sep 26 17:20 | |
| *TweetTuxMachines @tuxmachines favourited '@FurryThug @realDonaldTrump Not that I expect Trump supporters...' | Sep 26 17:20 | |
| *TweetTuxMachines @tuxmachines favourited retweet 'RT @schestowitz: @FurryThug @realDonaldTrump Not that I expect...' | Sep 26 17:20 | |
| *TweetTuxMachines @tuxmachines favourited '@FurryThug @realDonaldTrump This defense won't work anymore https://t.co/Z1eOMVzVf9' | Sep 26 17:20 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz: @FurryThug @realDonaldTrump This defense won't work anymore https://t.co/Z1eOMVzVf9 | Sep 26 17:20 | |
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| *TweetTuxMachines @tuxmachines favourited '@FurryThug @realDonaldTrump Con man as President. Time to...' | Sep 26 17:20 | |
| *TweetTuxMachines @tuxmachines favourited retweet 'RT @schestowitz: @FurryThug @realDonaldTrump Con man as President....' | Sep 26 17:20 | |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@TheDailyEdge: BREAKING: So-called "Billionaire" @realDonaldTrump owes Puerto Rico $33M -- now would be a good time to repay it. https://t.co/nyMH8USueG | Sep 26 17:20 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights- (Re-tweeted by qu1j0t3) | Sep 26 17:20 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@TheRynheart: @realDonaldTrump You left Puerto Rican tax payers with a $33M bill for your bankrupt golf course 2015… https://t.co/x5xt1Fs8Qm | Sep 26 17:20 | |
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| EPC | King Batistelli strikes again: https://www.epo.org/service-support/updates/2017/20170915_de.html | Sep 26 17:52 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.epo.org | EPO - No extension of periods expiring on 31 October 2017 | Sep 26 17:52 | |
| EPC | Just because his Majesty decided not to recognise Reformation Day, He assumes that the german federal post will also work. However, this is in contradiction to Rule 134(1) EPC. | Sep 26 17:53 |
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| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines https://twitter.com/tuxmachines/status/912721942397976583 | Sep 26 17:59 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Today in Techrights | Sep 26 17:59 |
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| TweetTuxMachines | Sep 26 17:59 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Today in Techrights | Tux Machines | Sep 26 17:59 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @schestowitz https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/912722904562982912 | Sep 26 17:59 |
| TweetTuxMachines | The account @tuxmachines is still #shadowbanned | Sep 26 17:59 |
| TweetTuxMachines | 3 days now | Sep 26 17:59 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Don't tell me it was "offensive" | Sep 26 17:59 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Or ToS violation | Sep 26 17:59 |
| TweetTuxMachines | It just posts Linux news | Sep 26 17:59 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Sep 26 17:59 | |
| schestowitz | EPC: thank you | Sep 26 18:15 |
| EPC | welcome! | Sep 26 18:16 |
| schestowitz | http://techrights.org/2017/09/11/pope-benoit/ | Sep 26 18:16 |
| schestowitz | so it's confirmed now | Sep 26 18:16 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | EPO Guest Article: “Pope” Benoît Refuses to Recognise Reformation Day 2017! | Techrights | Sep 26 18:16 | |
| EPC | yes it is confirmed. | Sep 26 18:16 |
| EPC | Coming next: two public holidays in 2018 will also no longer be recognised. | Sep 26 18:16 |
| schestowitz | I heard more days will be crossed out | Sep 26 18:16 |
| schestowitz | holiday dates | Sep 26 18:16 |
| schestowitz | which ones? | Sep 26 18:17 |
| EPC | Corpus Christi and All saints' Day | Sep 26 18:17 |
| schestowitz | confirmed? | Sep 26 18:17 |
| EPC | Had to be decided today after hearing of staff reps (just for fun) | Sep 26 18:18 |
| schestowitz | can I say this publicly? | Sep 26 18:18 |
| EPC | better wait until tomorrow. Should be confirmed by then. | Sep 26 18:18 |
| schestowitz | ok, how will I know | Sep 26 18:19 |
| schestowitz | drop by (IRC), k? | Sep 26 18:19 |
| EPC | ok | Sep 26 18:19 |
| schestowitz | I want to publish 'Club Med' pt 2 tonight | Sep 26 18:19 |
| schestowitz | then there's UEFA champions cleague | Sep 26 18:19 |
| EPC | ;) | Sep 26 18:19 |
| schestowitz | battistelli as referee | Sep 26 18:20 |
| schestowitz | Topic linesman | Sep 26 18:20 |
| EPC | rather not... or has someone already bought the result of the game? | Sep 26 18:20 |
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| TweetTuxMachines | @schestowitz https://twitter.com/MontriciaHubba1/status/912723339071729664 | Sep 26 18:40 |
| TweetTuxMachines | retweeted by The account @tuxmachines is still #shadowbanned | Sep 26 18:40 |
| TweetTuxMachines | @MontriciaHubba1 3 days now | Sep 26 18:40 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Don't tell me it was "offensive" | Sep 26 18:40 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Or ToS violation | Sep 26 18:40 |
| TweetTuxMachines | It just posts Linux news | Sep 26 18:41 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Sep 26 18:41 | |
| zoobab | pong | Sep 26 18:42 |
| TweetTuxMachines | @schestowitz https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/912733670259265536 | Sep 26 18:43 |
| TweetTuxMachines | The very fact an innocent #twitter account like | Sep 26 18:43 |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines got #shadowbanned for DAYS serves to show | Sep 26 18:43 |
| TweetTuxMachines | how broken #censorship in Twitter is | Sep 26 18:43 |
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| schestowitz | zoobab: yo | Sep 26 19:19 |
| schestowitz | the bristows thing? | Sep 26 19:19 |
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| TweetTuxMachines | @schestowitz https://twitter.com/carocarocjdl/status/912734331835224065 | Sep 26 19:22 |
| TweetTuxMachines | retweeted by The very fact an innocent #twitter account like | Sep 26 19:22 |
| TweetTuxMachines | @carocarocjdl @tuxmachines got #shadowbanned for DAYS serves to show | Sep 26 19:22 |
| TweetTuxMachines | how broken #censorship in Twitter is | Sep 26 19:22 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Sep 26 19:22 | |
| MinceR | https://imgur.com/gallery/UcooKoH | Sep 26 20:02 |
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| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/912744287292575744 | Sep 26 20:03 |
| TweetTuxMachines | retweeted by Today in Techrights | Sep 26 20:03 |
| TweetTuxMachines | @schestowitz https://t.co/HDbsDVu4Fa (www.tuxmachines.org) | Sep 26 20:03 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Sep 26 20:03 | |
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| TweetTuxMachines | @schestowitz https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/912754481024131072 | Sep 26 20:05 |
| TweetTuxMachines | @MikeWilliams012 @isaiah_lawson60 @realDonaldTrump Try | Sep 26 20:05 |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines for the tech, is's separated intentionally | Sep 26 20:05 |
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| *TweetTuxMachines @tuxmachines favourited '@JulianAssange Trump only understands power, and connections... and...' | Sep 26 20:16 | |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@arappeport: "Mr. President, thank you very much," Trump says to PM of Spain. | Sep 26 20:16 | |
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| *TweetTuxMachines @tuxmachines favourited retweet 'RT @schestowitz: @JulianAssange https://t.co/rbRRZTrDNS' | Sep 26 20:52 | |
| *TweetTuxMachines @tuxmachines favourited '@ManCity about bloody time :-)' | Sep 26 20:53 | |
| *TweetTuxMachines @tuxmachines favourited retweet 'RT @schestowitz: @ManCity about bloody time :-)' | Sep 26 20:53 | |
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| MinceR | https://imgur.com/gallery/PHttXFX | Sep 26 21:06 |
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| DaemonFC | Heh, they ported Webkit2 to Mono. | Sep 26 21:09 |
| schestowitz | ported? | Sep 26 21:10 |
| schestowitz | As in...? | Sep 26 21:10 |
| schestowitz | it'll only work with it, or just optional? | Sep 26 21:10 |
| DaemonFC | MinceR, In French, airport is "aéroport". In Portuguese, it's "aeroporto". In Spanish, it's "aeropuerto". In Italian, it's "aeroporto". | Sep 26 21:13 |
| DaemonFC | In German.... | Sep 26 21:13 |
| DaemonFC | Flughafen!!! | Sep 26 21:14 |
| schestowitz | flughafen | Sep 26 21:14 |
| DaemonFC | That's why I like the Germans. | Sep 26 21:14 |
| schestowitz | beat you to it | Sep 26 21:14 |
| schestowitz | in my side of freenode anyway | Sep 26 21:14 |
| schestowitz | what's to like about words being different? | Sep 26 21:14 |
| MinceR | i don't see why people see the need to pronounce german words with rag | Sep 26 21:14 |
| MinceR | e | Sep 26 21:14 |
| DaemonFC | schestowitz, In mine, I beat you to it. | Sep 26 21:14 |
| DaemonFC | We need a neutral third party, but then again, lag... | Sep 26 21:15 |
| DaemonFC | MinceR, Because the entire language just sounds angry. | Sep 26 21:15 |
| DaemonFC | It's funny. | Sep 26 21:15 |
| MinceR | https://i.imgur.com/LSIlubx.png | Sep 26 21:16 |
| DaemonFC | I found a "learn German" book in the free bin at a local bookstore. | Sep 26 21:16 |
| DaemonFC | I'm already tied up trying to learn Spanish. | Sep 26 21:16 |
| MinceR | DaemonFC: it doesn't sound angry if you don't flip out while pronouncing words | Sep 26 21:16 |
| MinceR | or at least not that angry | Sep 26 21:16 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz: @ManCity https://t.co/dX7GMkO37N | Sep 26 21:18 | |
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| *TweetTuxMachines @tuxmachines favourited '@ricardorossello @POTUS @realDonaldTrump More oil, more warming, more...' | Sep 26 21:18 | |
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| *TweetTuxMachines @tuxmachines favourited '@ricardorossello @POTUS @realDonaldTrump And Trump's own "news" will...' | Sep 26 21:18 | |
| DaemonFC | MinceR, Like half of Chicago speaks Spanish and it just bothers me to not know what people are saying, so I've been taking a Spanish course. I'm not making a lot of progress because it's only when I'm bored. | Sep 26 21:18 |
| MinceR | any language will sound angry if you rage while speaking like that | Sep 26 21:18 |
| MinceR | good | Sep 26 21:19 |
| MinceR | spanish is used in many places | Sep 26 21:19 |
| DaemonFC | MinceR, By the second generation, the Spanish language is gone. | Sep 26 21:20 |
| DaemonFC | John doesn't speak any at all, and it's funny because the flights from Mexico will let out and they all see him there and start asking him things. | Sep 26 21:20 |
| MinceR | i don't get it | Sep 26 21:21 |
| DaemonFC | So I don't see why Republicans are bitching that they don't assimilate. They do. It's out of necessity. It's maybe the first generation that struggles with English, but they pick up enough to use. | Sep 26 21:21 |
| MinceR | the republicans are making shit up | Sep 26 21:22 |
| MinceR | their beliefs are irrational | Sep 26 21:22 |
| DaemonFC | Then they freak out that some of the businesses fly the Mexican flag. The ones I've seen do it fly it lower than the US and Illinois flags, which is fine. It would be nice if those same people had a problem with Confederate flags. | Sep 26 21:23 |
| DaemonFC | People fly Confederate flags. The terrorists that killed American soldiers and tried to overthrow our government. | Sep 26 21:24 |
| DaemonFC | Not a word. | Sep 26 21:24 |
| schestowitz | can they buy em? | Sep 26 21:24 |
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| DaemonFC | People fly all kinds of flags because of their heritage and it's only the Mexican one that's a problem... | Sep 26 21:24 |
| DaemonFC | schestowitz, Confederate flags? Yeah, you can buy them. | Sep 26 21:25 |
| schestowitz | nazi? | Sep 26 21:25 |
| DaemonFC | You can. | Sep 26 21:25 |
| schestowitz | nazi flags would probably be banned in most places in Europe | Sep 26 21:25 |
| DaemonFC | It's unconstitutional to ban a Nazi flag here, but you'd draw the condemnation of almost anyone who saw it. | Sep 26 21:26 |
| DaemonFC | It's socially unacceptable. Few people would do it even if they consider themselves Nazis. | Sep 26 21:26 |
| DaemonFC | You keep that to yourself. | Sep 26 21:27 |
| DaemonFC | The ones who do try it to stir up shit end up getting photographed and losing their jobs, etc. | Sep 26 21:27 |
| DaemonFC | schestowitz, There's a soft requirement to get on the ballot to run for elected office in Illinois. | Sep 26 21:28 |
| DaemonFC | You can sign an affirmation that you are not part of a group that is trying to overthrow the government. It's optional, but of course your opponent would find it useful if you didn't. | Sep 26 21:28 |
| DaemonFC | schestowitz, There's a Webkit2-sharp package that I just saw go by in Koji. | Sep 26 21:33 |
| DaemonFC | It should be possible to write a web browser in C# or something and use that as your rendering engine. | Sep 26 21:33 |
| DaemonFC | Pretty much all of the Mono desktop apps are dead though. Banshee hasn't been touched in years. The build log is starting to look like fixups to keep it building and mass rebuilds in Fedora. | Sep 26 21:34 |
| DaemonFC | Smuxi, Pinta, and Tomboy too. | Sep 26 21:34 |
| DaemonFC | And nobody has made a GTK3-sharp, so there'd be no way to modernize them anyway. | Sep 26 21:35 |
| DaemonFC | I'd consider openSUSE again because they dropped all of the Mono apps and they're not Novall or Attachmate anymore. | Sep 26 21:36 |
| DaemonFC | They seem to be getting along fine without Novell. | Sep 26 21:36 |
| MinceR | ew, botNET framework | Sep 26 21:36 |
| MinceR | suse is still lendows | Sep 26 21:36 |
| DaemonFC | If they have the resources to manage a rolling release and make it stable enough that you never have to stop and fix broken packages, that's quite the achievement. | Sep 26 21:36 |
| MinceR | it is also unlikely | Sep 26 21:37 |
| MinceR | and even more unlikely to endure | Sep 26 21:37 |
| MinceR | especially at the hands of suse people | Sep 26 21:37 |
| DaemonFC | They've been at it for a few years now. | Sep 26 21:37 |
| MinceR | they've been at a lot of stupid shit | Sep 26 21:37 |
| DaemonFC | Every now and then they branch off a Leap release and that's like their LTS. | Sep 26 21:37 |
| MinceR | propping up a m$ racket, cancerd | Sep 26 21:38 |
| DaemonFC | Almost every distribution worth mentioning has systemd at this point. | Sep 26 21:38 |
| DaemonFC | Even the community ones with no corporate sponsor. | Sep 26 21:38 |
| DaemonFC | Fedora can do some things that go against RHEL. It won't be dropping btrfs support, for example. | Sep 26 21:39 |
| MinceR | no, those are the distributions not worth mentioning | Sep 26 21:39 |
| DaemonFC | The only reasons Fedora has ever limited file system choices by default were because of bugs in Grub or not supporting SELinux labels. | Sep 26 21:40 |
| MinceR | they've proven themselves either incompetent or evil, or both | Sep 26 21:40 |
| MinceR | one might as well run windows instead of lendows, they're going to the same place | Sep 26 21:40 |
| DaemonFC | https://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=macOS-APFS-HFS-Benchmarks | Sep 26 21:43 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-macOS' APFS File-System Performing Much Better Than The Dated HFS+ - Phoronix | Sep 26 21:43 | |
| DaemonFC | Well, you'd hope that they could do better than an ancient file system that was kept around for 15 years past its expiration date. :/ | Sep 26 21:43 |
| MinceR | i wouldn't | Sep 26 21:43 |
| MinceR | i just hope they go away before they kill the IT industry with their evil bullshit | Sep 26 21:44 |
| MinceR | (also comments) https://imgur.com/gallery/0AD7rhy | Sep 26 21:45 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Know your bases... - Imgur | Sep 26 21:45 | |
| DaemonFC | https://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=article&item=amd-epyc-compilers&num=1 | Sep 26 21:46 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-GCC & LLVM Clang Compiler Benchmarks On AMD's EPYC 7601 - Phoronix | Sep 26 21:46 | |
| DaemonFC | I woner if more distributions will switch. OpenMandriva did a while back. | Sep 26 21:47 |
| XRevan86 | > And nobody has made a GTK3-sharp, so there'd be no way to modernize them anyway. | Sep 26 21:51 |
| XRevan86 | DaemonFC: I saw it somewhere actually. One would think it doesn't exist, because nothing uses it :) | Sep 26 21:51 |
| XRevan86 | DaemonFC: Hopefully, none :). | Sep 26 21:52 |
| schestowitz | MinceR: know your meme | Sep 26 21:53 |
| schestowitz | so I guess the second base is when these two girls find a cup | Sep 26 21:53 |
| MinceR | :) | Sep 26 21:53 |
| schestowitz | I don't want to think about what third base is even... | Sep 26 21:53 |
| MinceR | first base is tallying, second base is binary, third base is ternary, ... | Sep 26 21:54 |
| schestowitz | DaemonFC: re macOS' APFS File-System Performing Much Better Than The Dated HFS+ | Sep 26 21:54 |
| schestowitz | he's doing Apple crap now? | Sep 26 21:54 |
| schestowitz | it's barely even unix | Sep 26 21:54 |
| MinceR | it's not unix | Sep 26 21:54 |
| schestowitz | the site used to be about linux and solaris (Said the headings) | Sep 26 21:54 |
| schestowitz | MinceR: apple pretends it is | Sep 26 21:55 |
| schestowitz | the idiots who buy these things don't even know what unix is | Sep 26 21:55 |
| MinceR | indeed | Sep 26 21:56 |
| DaemonFC | It's UNIX-like. It has the SUS branding. | Sep 26 21:59 |
| *TweetTuxMachines got exception: Unexpected end of ZLIB input stream ; reconnecting to Twitter... | Sep 26 21:59 | |
| DaemonFC | They paid for aa marketing term. It's "Marketing UNIX". | Sep 26 21:59 |
| DaemonFC | Linux could probably pass if anyone wanted to pay for it. | Sep 26 22:01 |
| DaemonFC | The problem is that you can only say it's UNIX on the OS version and CPU architecture that passed. | Sep 26 22:01 |
| DaemonFC | https://www.phoronix.com/forums/forum/phoronix/latest-phoronix-articles/979183-haiku-os-is-gearing-up-for-its-long-awaited-beta-release | Sep 26 22:03 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Haiku OS Is Gearing Up For Its Long-Awaited Beta Release - Phoronix Forums | Sep 26 22:03 | |
| DaemonFC | Could XWayland be dropped? Eventually, and if you wanted to cause tons of apps that will never be ported to be lost forever. | Sep 26 22:03 |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines https://twitter.com/tuxmachines/status/912783936354385920 | Sep 26 22:04 |
| TweetTuxMachines | #Firefox Quantum | Sep 26 22:04 |
| TweetTuxMachines | https://t.co/OmZnBxcV41 (www.tuxmachines.org) #mozilla | Sep 26 22:04 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Sep 26 22:04 | |
| DaemonFC | Apple dropped XQuartz, but the user can still install it themselves. | Sep 26 22:04 |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines https://twitter.com/tuxmachines/status/912784389746167811 | Sep 26 22:04 |
| TweetTuxMachines | #Firefox takes a Quantum leap forward with new developer | Sep 26 22:04 |
| TweetTuxMachines | edition https://t.co/iEiIrsGSYf (www.tuxmachines.org) | Sep 26 22:04 |
| TweetTuxMachines | #mozilla | Sep 26 22:04 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Sep 26 22:04 | |
| DaemonFC | And Apple can blackmail the app developers to use Quartz in a way that we can't with Wayland. | Sep 26 22:04 |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines https://twitter.com/tuxmachines/status/912784628313989122 | Sep 26 22:04 |
| TweetTuxMachines | #NethServer 7.4 Linux Server OS Enters Beta Hot on the | Sep 26 22:04 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Heels of #CentOS 7.4 https://t.co/0aAmmZe6G2 | Sep 26 22:04 |
| TweetTuxMachines | (www.tuxmachines.org) #redhat #rhel #gnu #linux | Sep 26 22:04 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Sep 26 22:04 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Firefox Quantum | Tux Machines | Sep 26 22:04 | |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Firefox takes a Quantum leap forward with new developer edition | Tux Machines | Sep 26 22:07 | |
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| MinceR | 26 225910 < DaemonFC> It's UNIX-like. It has the SUS branding. | Sep 26 22:08 |
| MinceR | the SUS branding is useless | Sep 26 22:08 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | NethServer 7.4 Linux Server OS Enters Beta Hot on the Heels of CentOS 7.4 | Tux Machines | Sep 26 22:08 | |
| MinceR | the one thing it shows is that someone was stupid enough to hand the "open" group a bunch of cash | Sep 26 22:08 |
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| MinceR | the way OSuX shits all over the unix philosophy and then people try to parade it around as unix also shows the SUS branding to be useless | Sep 26 22:09 |
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| DaemonFC | MinceR, It's likely made the standard worse. | Sep 26 22:10 |
| DaemonFC | They'll change the standard to keep getting Apple's money. | Sep 26 22:10 |
| MinceR | https://i.imgur.com/9UtwC8j.gifv | Sep 26 22:10 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-i.imgur.com | Is it possible to learn this power? | Sep 26 22:10 | |
| MinceR | if it does not reflext the unix philosophy then it is not unix | Sep 26 22:10 |
| MinceR | s/ext/ect/ | Sep 26 22:11 |
| DaemonFC | Nobody ever said that GNU or Linux were UNIX. | Sep 26 22:11 |
| DaemonFC | In fact, GNU's Not Unix. | Sep 26 22:11 |
| XRevan86 | And Wine is not an emulator. | Sep 26 22:12 |
| DaemonFC | I suppose the irony of getting GNU/Linux certified would mean that GNU's Now Unix. | Sep 26 22:12 |
| MinceR | "GNU's Not Unix" originally referred to the trademark | Sep 26 22:13 |
| XRevan86 | MinceR: Huh, the link refuses to work. Imgur claims the is nonexistent. | Sep 26 22:13 |
| MinceR | they only took it out of the cabinet again when the FSF sold out to ratcrap and started propping up cancerd | Sep 26 22:13 |
| MinceR | great | Sep 26 22:13 |
| MinceR | imgur loves to fuck with links lately | Sep 26 22:13 |
| DaemonFC | brb | Sep 26 22:13 |
| MinceR | maybe this one will work >> https://imgur.com/9UtwC8j | Sep 26 22:13 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Is it possible to learn this power? - GIF on Imgur | Sep 26 22:13 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/912786964490973186 | Sep 26 22:14 |
| TweetTuxMachines | retweeted by #Ubuntu Dock Now Shows Badges and Progress Bars for | Sep 26 22:14 |
| TweetTuxMachines | @schestowitz Pinned Apps on Ubuntu 17.10 | Sep 26 22:14 |
| TweetTuxMachines | https://t.co/o85CehZqdi (www.tuxmachines.org) | Sep 26 22:14 |
| TweetTuxMachines | #gnu #linux | Sep 26 22:14 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Sep 26 22:14 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Ubuntu Dock Now Shows Badges and Progress Bars for Pinned Apps on Ubuntu 17.10 | Tux Machines | Sep 26 22:14 | |
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| XRevan86 | > Oops! We couldn't find that page | Sep 26 22:16 |
| XRevan86 | Still that. | Sep 26 22:16 |
| MinceR | https://random.cat/i/j3grk.jpg | Sep 26 22:16 |
| MinceR | XRevan86: maybe your government is having them block it or blocking it themselves? | Sep 26 22:17 |
| XRevan86 | I see the bot has no problem fetching it. | Sep 26 22:17 |
| MinceR | more ideas: https://i.imgur.com/9UtwC8j.mp4 https://i.imgur.com/9UtwC8j.gif | Sep 26 22:17 |
| XRevan86 | MinceR: Couldn't be the second thing, as it's HTTPS. | Sep 26 22:17 |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/912787407405232128 | Sep 26 22:17 |
| TweetTuxMachines | retweeted by #NethServer 7.4 Linux Server OS Enters Beta Hot on the | Sep 26 22:17 |
| TweetTuxMachines | @schestowitz Heels of #CentOS 7.4 https://t.co/0aAmmZe6G2 | Sep 26 22:17 |
| TweetTuxMachines | (www.tuxmachines.org) #redhat #rhel #gnu #linux | Sep 26 22:17 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Sep 26 22:17 | |
| MinceR | unless they've used Rubber-Hose Cryptanalysis to defeat PKI or something | Sep 26 22:17 |
| XRevan86 | And I haven't heard of imgur collaborating… | Sep 26 22:17 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | NethServer 7.4 Linux Server OS Enters Beta Hot on the Heels of CentOS 7.4 | Tux Machines | Sep 26 22:18 | |
| MinceR | it's enough if one CA trusted by your browser collaborates | Sep 26 22:18 |
| MinceR | PKI is hilariously easy for a government to compromise | Sep 26 22:18 |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/912788261059416064 | Sep 26 22:19 |
| TweetTuxMachines | retweeted by #Firefox takes a Quantum leap forward with new developer | Sep 26 22:19 |
| TweetTuxMachines | @schestowitz edition https://t.co/iEiIrsGSYf (www.tuxmachines.org) | Sep 26 22:19 |
| TweetTuxMachines | #mozilla | Sep 26 22:19 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Firefox takes a Quantum leap forward with new developer edition | Tux Machines | Sep 26 22:19 | |
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| XRevan86 | MinceR: Just so I couldn't look at a pic called "Is it possible to learn this power?"? :) | Sep 26 22:20 |
| XRevan86 | Heh, worked on me laptop %). | Sep 26 22:21 |
| MinceR | the khuilo is petty | Sep 26 22:21 |
| XRevan86 | Apparently it didn't work only on Android. | Sep 26 22:21 |
| MinceR | hm, maybe their mobile site is fucked up | Sep 26 22:21 |
| MinceR | it hijacks direct links that work on non-mobile | Sep 26 22:22 |
| XRevan86 | Yeah, works in "full mode" | Sep 26 22:22 |
| MinceR | apparently imgur wants to give 9gag a chance | Sep 26 22:22 |
| *TweetTuxMachines @Rick4312 retweeted @tuxmachines: '#Firefox takes a Quantum leap forward with new...' | Sep 26 22:22 | |
| XRevan86 | I remember there was a link to imgur months ago that I actually couldn't access without VPN. | Sep 26 22:23 |
| MinceR | did you try that on mobile as well? | Sep 26 22:23 |
| XRevan86 | (not that I conform or deny that I use VPN) | Sep 26 22:23 |
| XRevan86 | MinceR: No, it was on my desktop. | Sep 26 22:23 |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/912789531623124993 | Sep 26 22:24 |
| TweetTuxMachines | retweeted by #Firefox Quantum | Sep 26 22:24 |
| TweetTuxMachines | @schestowitz https://t.co/OmZnBxcV41 (www.tuxmachines.org) #mozilla | Sep 26 22:24 |
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| TweetTuxMachines | #Facebook Licence-Patents Debacle | Sep 26 22:27 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Facebook Licence-Patents Debacle | Tux Machines | Sep 26 22:27 | |
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| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines https://twitter.com/tuxmachines/status/912790812785815554 | Sep 26 22:31 |
| TweetTuxMachines | #Security: #Deloitte, #Ransomware, #Equifax, #Denmark, | Sep 26 22:31 |
| TweetTuxMachines | and #macOS 0-Day | Sep 26 22:31 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Security: Deloitte, Ransomware, Equifax, Denmark, and macOS 0-Day | Tux Machines | Sep 26 22:31 | |
| XRevan86 | > https://imgur.com/gallery/PHttXFX | Sep 26 22:32 |
| XRevan86 | This is almost surreal. | Sep 26 22:32 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Former neo-Nazi has swastika tattoo removed from his chest thanks to unlikely friendship from an inspirational parole officer. - GIF on Imgur | Sep 26 22:32 | |
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| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/912840879123156992 | Sep 27 01:53 |
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| TweetTuxMachines | @schestowitz https://t.co/RILnYOm4Xv (www.tuxmachines.org) #howto #gnu | Sep 27 01:53 |
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| TweetTuxMachines | 6 steps to perfecting an open source product strategy | Sep 27 10:33 |
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| MinceR | that is all systemd does | Sep 27 18:23 |
| DaemonFC | That means that you could redistribute it as LGPL 3 if you wanted to. | Sep 27 18:23 |
| MinceR | and the license doesn't change that, unfortunately | Sep 27 18:23 |
| DaemonFC | Or you could ship your modules as LGPL v3+ only. | Sep 27 18:23 |
| MinceR | copyright licenses (and even patent licenses) aren't almighty, they can't protect all the freedoms of the user | Sep 27 18:24 |
| DaemonFC | brb | Sep 27 18:24 |
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| r_schestowitz | [18:20] <MinceR> red hat bought an fsf, m$ buys an osi | Sep 27 18:33 |
| r_schestowitz | w3c also | Sep 27 18:33 |
| r_schestowitz | same ticks | Sep 27 18:34 |
| r_schestowitz | and tricks | Sep 27 18:34 |
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| oiaohm | MinceR: recent GPL ruling as Contract means its not a Copyright license is something way more evil. | Sep 27 18:48 |
| oiaohm | MinceR: GPL is the what has been though to be rare "unilateral contract" | Sep 27 18:51 |
| oiaohm | MinceR: and being a unilateral contract means GPL is out side the limits of copyright law. | Sep 27 18:53 |
| DaemonFC | oiaohm, I hope it is a contract and a license. | Sep 27 18:57 |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/913096206666158080 | Sep 27 18:57 |
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| DaemonFC | That way it would give recipients an individual right to sue to enforce it if they don't get a copy of the source code and the copyright holder won't go after the offender. | Sep 27 18:57 |
| DaemonFC | That's how I got Samsung to release the code from my BDC-5500 blu ray player in 2009. | Sep 27 18:58 |
| DaemonFC | I sent them a certified letter. | Sep 27 18:58 |
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| MinceR | oiaohm: and yet it still can't protect users from lock-in | Sep 27 19:33 |
| MinceR | and it also can't protect users from certain kinds of other malware | Sep 27 19:33 |
| oiaohm | MinceR: as a unilateral contract it has more protection for end users against lock-in. It does cause a interesting glitch for those writing malware as well. Modify GPL binary you have agreed to the contract so source code should be under the contract. | Sep 27 20:05 |
| MinceR | access to source code is not a silver bullet | Sep 27 20:06 |
| MinceR | for example, it does not imply immediate and total understanding of the source code | Sep 27 20:06 |
| MinceR | and even access to source code you do not have if you can't enforce the contract | Sep 27 20:06 |
| MinceR | https://imgur.com/gallery/01C5K | Sep 27 20:07 |
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| oiaohm | MinceR: I did not say it was perfect. | Sep 27 20:09 |
| MinceR | which was my point | Sep 27 20:09 |
| MinceR | nowadays the fsf appears to pretend that just having code under a certain license guarantees all relevant freedoms to the user | Sep 27 20:09 |
| oiaohm | MinceR: really I don't agree with FSF choices but their idea is not 100 percent false either. When you start looking at AGPL and GPL differences it does seam like it would be possible to make a license that does protect users. | Sep 27 20:12 |
| oiaohm | MinceR: but then that leads you to a battle with hardware vendors. | Sep 27 20:13 |
| MinceR | something that follows from my point is that fsf giving cancerd a free pass due to [l]gpl means they're sleeping at the wheel | Sep 27 20:13 |
| oiaohm | MinceR: thing is a license to protect users would not be really possible if it was restricted by copyright law. | Sep 27 20:13 |
| oiaohm | MinceR: really your hate of systemd really need to step back. The number of things we were using by default before systemd that were dependant on sysvinit was past a joke. I know because I had tried in the past using runit and the like. | Sep 27 20:16 |
| oiaohm | MinceR: complaining about systemd will not solve the basic problem. Init solution on Linux was defective before systemd. Ok systemd has not fixed it but you still have not seen most of the alternatives lift their game either. | Sep 27 20:17 |
| oiaohm | MinceR: is it FSF problem that there are a lack of properly competitive init solutions? | Sep 27 20:18 |
| MinceR | oiaohm: no your unconditional love of big corporations is what needs to take a step back | Sep 27 20:20 |
| MinceR | things dependent on sysvinit would have been fixed just fine by some distros moving to openrc, others to dmd, yet others to other stuff | Sep 27 20:20 |
| MinceR | systemd has not fixed the situation; it has made it a lot worse. | Sep 27 20:21 |
| MinceR | also, regardless of how many times you reiterate the old bullshit about systemd being "just an init system", it's still bullshit | Sep 27 20:21 |
| oiaohm | MinceR: really no a lot of stuff that was bundled into systemd was already know for not being init system netural. | Sep 27 20:25 |
| MinceR | more equivocation... | Sep 27 20:26 |
| oiaohm | MinceR: systemd has made is more clear on how many parts are not neutral | Sep 27 20:26 |
| MinceR | oiaohm: don't you have someone else to waste the time of? | Sep 27 20:26 |
| MinceR | oh wow, really? | Sep 27 20:26 |
| MinceR | if you move a part into a massive blob that demands to run in pid1 as root, then those parts become dependent on it? | Sep 27 20:27 |
| MinceR | did you make that discovery all on your own? | Sep 27 20:27 |
| oiaohm | Interesting part is systemd functions just fine when it not running as pid1 | Sep 27 20:27 |
| MinceR | [citation needed] | Sep 27 20:28 |
| oiaohm | systemd was design to run in a chroot to start off with. | Sep 27 20:28 |
| oiaohm | systemd user mode harks back to is early form. | Sep 27 20:28 |
| oiaohm | MinceR: have you never read systemctl man page and noticed the --user flag and ask the question does that mode in fact work with the everything else core systemd. | Sep 27 20:30 |
| oiaohm | MinceR: basically systemd first form is still in systemd. | Sep 27 20:30 |
| MinceR | oiaohm: i'm sure someone would care about all that if you people didn't start putting systemd dependencies everywhere well before systemd was even getting close to stable. | Sep 27 20:31 |
| oiaohm | MinceR: the issue has been fixing up cgroup to cgroupv2 so sections of the cgroup tree could be delegated. | Sep 27 20:31 |
| MinceR | oiaohm: the issue is, cgroup should have been fixed _before_ dependencies in gnome and elsewhere were abused to force systemd on users, and into alleged "stable" distro releases. | Sep 27 20:33 |
| oiaohm | MinceR: you cannot make a omelet without break eggs. | Sep 27 20:33 |
| MinceR | oiaohm: you can develop an OS without destroying mission critical infrastructure. | Sep 27 20:34 |
| oiaohm | MinceR: Linux kernel development model cgroups could not be fixed without reworld examples of the cgroupv1 issues. | Sep 27 20:34 |
| MinceR | oiaohm: i'm sure in microsoft's world it's just business as usual to treat all customers as pre-alpha testers, but in the unix world it isn't. | Sep 27 20:34 |
| oiaohm | reworld/real world | Sep 27 20:34 |
| oiaohm | MinceR: Linux is not Unix | Sep 27 20:34 |
| MinceR | oiaohm: "real world" is not the same as "every single damn computer running this kernel" | Sep 27 20:35 |
| MinceR | oiaohm: GNU/Linux is Unix | Sep 27 20:35 |
| oiaohm | No | Sep 27 20:35 |
| oiaohm | GNU/Linux is only Unix like. Its not a licensed Unix does not have the same development rules. | Sep 27 20:35 |
| oiaohm | MinceR: basically get use to the facts. | Sep 27 20:35 |
| MinceR | oiaohm: do i have to reiterate _yet again_ what i think about the fraudsters at the "open" group? | Sep 27 20:35 |
| oiaohm | MinceR: Linus states that Linux is only unix like. | Sep 27 20:36 |
| MinceR | oiaohm: maybe a lawyer would give a fuck about who handed the greedy assholes at the "open" group a suitcase full of money, but i don't. | Sep 27 20:36 |
| oiaohm | MinceR: this is not a open group statement problem only either. | Sep 27 20:36 |
| MinceR | oiaohm: have fun with your macos. | Sep 27 20:36 |
| MinceR | oiaohm: yes it is. | Sep 27 20:36 |
| oiaohm | MinceR: I don't use macos | Sep 27 20:37 |
| MinceR | oiaohm: novell handed the unix trademark that fell in their lap off to the "open" group | Sep 27 20:37 |
| MinceR | oiaohm: who then proceeded to whore it out for money and thus destroy all meaning it had before. | Sep 27 20:37 |
| oiaohm | Part of the usage right of the Unix trademark was agreement to a particular development style. | Sep 27 20:37 |
| MinceR | oiaohm: guess what, crApple paid those criminals to call macos "unix" | Sep 27 20:37 |
| oiaohm | MinceR: and in process agreed to a particular development style. | Sep 27 20:37 |
| MinceR | oiaohm: read https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Unix_philosophy someday. | Sep 27 20:38 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-en.wikipedia.org | Unix philosophy - Wikipedia [ http://ur1.ca/n4q5j ] | Sep 27 20:38 | |
| MinceR | it's full of stuff your beloved lennart can't understand. | Sep 27 20:38 |
| oiaohm | MinceR: and that is absolutely not how the Linux kernel is developed. | Sep 27 20:40 |
| MinceR | oiaohm: who said the Linux kernel itself was Unix? | Sep 27 20:40 |
| oiaohm | MinceR: even the tools made in the Linux kernel source code don't obey those rules. | Sep 27 20:41 |
| MinceR | oiaohm: who said the tools made in the Linux kernel source code itself was Unix? | Sep 27 20:41 |
| oiaohm | The Unix philosophy is not used that much in the Linux world. | Sep 27 20:42 |
| MinceR | well, of course, as long as you equate the systemd/Linux world that fills your horizons entirely "the Linux world" | Sep 27 20:42 |
| MinceR | and pretend that the universe was created in 2010. | Sep 27 20:42 |
| oiaohm | No look at busybox and tell me how that aligns to Unix philosophy | Sep 27 20:42 |
| MinceR | tell me how many GNU/Linux distros use busybox | Sep 27 20:43 |
| oiaohm | What about bash | Sep 27 20:43 |
| oiaohm | That never been to the Unix philosophy | Sep 27 20:43 |
| XRevan86 | busybox is a great *emergency* tool. | Sep 27 20:43 |
| MinceR | bash aligns pretty well to it | Sep 27 20:43 |
| oiaohm | MinceR: no it does not | Sep 27 20:43 |
| MinceR | yet many other shells are available | Sep 27 20:43 |
| XRevan86 | It's a basic shitty coreutils that's good when nothing else works. | Sep 27 20:43 |
| oiaohm | MinceR: debian made dash because bash does way way too much. | Sep 27 20:43 |
| MinceR | and there's no trickery in place to prevent you from using another shell | Sep 27 20:43 |
| XRevan86 | debian made dash to have a minimally POSIX compliant shell | Sep 27 20:44 |
| MinceR | oiaohm: for example, i use zsh as my shell and yet somehow my desktop environment doesn't refuse to work and doesn't scream heresy. | Sep 27 20:44 |
| XRevan86 | dash is good for basic scripts that do simple things | Sep 27 20:44 |
| MinceR | and it was probably a good thing that they made dash | Sep 27 20:44 |
| oiaohm | MinceR: zsh broke my gnome in 2004 | Sep 27 20:44 |
| XRevan86 | and for making scripts that work not only with bash but maybe something else too, which is reasonable for simple scripts | Sep 27 20:45 |
| MinceR | oiaohm: well, of course, it's gnome. | Sep 27 20:45 |
| MinceR | gnome was lendows before systemd even existed | Sep 27 20:45 |
| oiaohm | MinceR: being overly dependant on user selected shell and other parts predates systemd with gnome by a long way. | Sep 27 20:45 |
| XRevan86 | dash is minimally POSIX, marginally faster and smaller. Also it's a terrible actual shell. Because it's not supposed to. | Sep 27 20:45 |
| oiaohm | XRevan86: the key point of the Unix philosophy is the idea that being minimal is always good. Dash is closer to the Unix philosphy and its a really good example of some of the downsides of that idea. | Sep 27 20:46 |
| MinceR | and oiaohm's obvious solution is to instead be maximal | Sep 27 20:47 |
| MinceR | do everything in one program, and do it all badly | Sep 27 20:47 |
| oiaohm | MinceR: systemd is not 1 program is a collection of programs. | Sep 27 20:47 |
| XRevan86 | oiaohm: That's twisting things. dash definitely doesn't cover a lot of use cases that bash does. | Sep 27 20:47 |
| MinceR | oiaohm: bullshit | Sep 27 20:47 |
| oiaohm | MinceR: systemd is a collection of programs. Like it or not. | Sep 27 20:48 |
| MinceR | systemd is a massive daemon with a few other massive daemons that heavily depend on each other, and a bunch of command-line interface utilities that can't do anything without their respective daemons. | Sep 27 20:48 |
| MinceR | oiaohm: systemd is a cohesionless hairball. like it or not. | Sep 27 20:48 |
| XRevan86 | "do one thing and do it well" – dash doesn't cover that if that thing is being a scripting language that does anything beyond POSIX | Sep 27 20:49 |
| XRevan86 | again, it's because dash's task is to stick to the POSIX standard | Sep 27 20:49 |
| MinceR | it sticks to one thing as much as any unix shell does | Sep 27 20:49 |
| XRevan86 | I guess one could say bash's bloat is that it's both a scripting language and a shell | Sep 27 20:50 |
| XRevan86 | but, it's actually not a complicated shell %) | Sep 27 20:50 |
| XRevan86 | I mean, not bloat, a betrayal of the UNIX philosophy | Sep 27 20:51 |
| MinceR | it has some GNU extensions above POSIX | Sep 27 20:51 |
| MinceR | apparently for some people that makes it equivalent to "let's reinvent the userland in 1 process lol" | Sep 27 20:52 |
| XRevan86 | Yeah. And that's because bash's task is not to provide a minimal POSIX shell | Sep 27 20:52 |
| MinceR | but that's probably because they've forsaken logic for the sake of shilling red hat. | Sep 27 20:52 |
| XRevan86 | but to provide a POSIX compliant shell with features that make life easier a bit | Sep 27 20:52 |
| MinceR | obviously, making life easier is heresy | Sep 27 20:52 |
| MinceR | the one true way is to make life so difficult you have to cry to microsoft or red hat or apple for help at every step | Sep 27 20:53 |
| MinceR | that reminds me, the exercise in awful OS design known as "VMS" prevents users from using another shell | Sep 27 20:54 |
| MinceR | that must give cancerd cultists warm, happy feelings | Sep 27 20:54 |
| oiaohm | MinceR: the right road will be somewhere in the middle between Unix Philosophy and maximal. | Sep 27 20:55 |
| MinceR | oh, right, the golden mean fallacy | Sep 27 20:55 |
| oiaohm | MinceR: Unix Philosophy did not even correctly apply to sysvinit. | Sep 27 20:55 |
| MinceR | then all you have to do is to put the "other example" in a sufficiently absurd spot to make your way the One Right Way in the "middle" | Sep 27 20:55 |
| MinceR | it also has the nice side effect of removing the need to think | Sep 27 20:56 |
| oiaohm | MinceR: there are a few basic questions that start leading down a interesting path. | Sep 27 20:56 |
| oiaohm | Why do we need service management? | Sep 27 20:56 |
| MinceR | "sysvinit wasn't perfect, therefore obviously we must turn Linux-based systems into as much a wreck as physically possible" | Sep 27 20:56 |
| MinceR | thanks, but i'll skip that | Sep 27 20:56 |
| oiaohm | Why do we need service management? as a userspace application. | Sep 27 20:57 |
| MinceR | why don't we just build everything into the kernel? | Sep 27 20:57 |
| MinceR | it would get rid of that pesky distinction between one program and another | Sep 27 20:57 |
| oiaohm | AIX does not require it. | Sep 27 20:57 |
| MinceR | plus, as the experts at microsoft said, it would make everything so fast! | Sep 27 20:57 |
| oiaohm | There is something about the process tree structure. | Sep 27 20:58 |
| MinceR | (protip: they did that with the windowing system in winblows NT and it was still slow as shit. but at least it could crash the system that much more easily.) | Sep 27 20:58 |
| oiaohm | Of course when you start talking about this people say why don't we build everything into the kernel but that is not the problem. | Sep 27 20:58 |
| oiaohm | NT has the same problem. | Sep 27 20:59 |
| oiaohm | As the Linux kernel does with the process tree design. | Sep 27 20:59 |
| oiaohm | Because both trace back to exactly the same book. | Sep 27 20:59 |
| MinceR | https://imgur.com/r/ImGoingToHellForThis/dOxxscd | Sep 27 20:59 |
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| MinceR | well, you also liked it when red hat's "solution" to their IPC daemon being too slow was to just throw it into the kernel. without even profiling it first. | Sep 27 21:00 |
| oiaohm | MinceR: its like the idea of userspace graphics memory drivers then wondering why you have cat fight in userspace. | Sep 27 21:00 |
| MinceR | if it's shitty software design, oiaohm is all for it! | Sep 27 21:01 |
| oiaohm | No I am not. | Sep 27 21:01 |
| MinceR | oiaohm: i'm wondering why i have to have a civil war in supposedly free software. | Sep 27 21:01 |
| oiaohm | There is some shitty software design that you love ignoring. | Sep 27 21:01 |
| MinceR | why do we have to have a certain corporation use software dependencies as weapons against users and why do they still get to be considered a friend to free software and its users. | Sep 27 21:02 |
| oiaohm | lets forget hald | Sep 27 21:02 |
| MinceR | yeah, apparently sysvinit not being absolutely perfect is "shitty software design that i love ignoring" | Sep 27 21:02 |
| MinceR | and apparently the only possible solution is systemd. | Sep 27 21:03 |
| MinceR | hald is dead | Sep 27 21:03 |
| MinceR | deal with it. | Sep 27 21:03 |
| oiaohm | I mentioned another problem being the process tree design. And you said why not put all in kernel. | Sep 27 21:03 |
| MinceR | though it was probably better than what we ended up having forced on us instead | Sep 27 21:03 |
| oiaohm | MinceR: basically you have ignored there are a set of problems. | Sep 27 21:03 |
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| MinceR | well yeah, you won't have issues with the process tree if your process tree consists of a single node | Sep 27 21:03 |
| oiaohm | Those problems lead to a mess as you attempt to work around them. | Sep 27 21:03 |
| MinceR | you'll just have the issue of Linux being distinct from that single node (systemd) | Sep 27 21:04 |
| MinceR | would be so much nicer if you just had the kernel | Sep 27 21:04 |
| MinceR | why don't you run TempleOS and stop bothering people who like free software? | Sep 27 21:04 |
| oiaohm | MinceR: I said AIX that is a multi node model without the single PID1 node. | Sep 27 21:05 |
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| oiaohm | MinceR: lets go off right down the wrong path again. | Sep 27 21:06 |
| oiaohm | MinceR: why with Linux do we have a design that demands cleam up be PID1. Its not like processes that lost parents had to be design to go there in the first place. Wait that is what the talk about first BSD/Unix os said was how you should do it. | Sep 27 21:07 |
| MinceR | oiaohm: reaping zombies is a trivial task. | Sep 27 21:09 |
| oiaohm | MinceR: and no one has really revisited these core design bits just kept on coping them no matter how broken they are. Then having to create work arounds on top of that design task. | Sep 27 21:09 |
| MinceR | it does not need a massive pid1. | Sep 27 21:09 |
| MinceR | it does not even need a pid1 as big as sysvinit's. | Sep 27 21:09 |
| oiaohm | MinceR: its not only zombies that end up connected to pid1 following unix design. All child processes who parrent dies also get connect to PID1 when they are not zombies. | Sep 27 21:10 |
| oiaohm | MinceR: that old book has a lot to answer for. | Sep 27 21:10 |
| MinceR | oiaohm: so what? waiting on running processes does not kill them. | Sep 27 21:12 |
| oiaohm | MinceR: who did start those processes thinking that information has been delete from the process tree by the reassign to PID1. | Sep 27 21:13 |
| MinceR | that's not in scope. | Sep 27 21:14 |
| oiaohm | Good lie. | Sep 27 21:14 |
| oiaohm | Its in the scope of AIX version. | Sep 27 21:14 |
| oiaohm | Its a pure design choice with the hell it causes. | Sep 27 21:14 |
| MinceR | GNU/Linux is not AIX. | Sep 27 21:14 |
| oiaohm | AIX does not need cgroups for proper service tracking because is process tree is more sane. | Sep 27 21:15 |
| oiaohm | Does not need as complex of a init system either. | Sep 27 21:15 |
| oiaohm | Because it does not have work around as many core design problems. | Sep 27 21:15 |
| MinceR | good. go run AIX and stop bothering me with this nonsense. | Sep 27 21:17 |
| oiaohm | See start talking about design faults and issues and hey its now just nonsense | Sep 27 21:18 |
| oiaohm | MinceR: the more you have to code over a core problem the larger parts come. Of course the other option is just ignore the core problem and keep you program small and put up the with ongoing issues. | Sep 27 21:23 |
| MinceR | riiiight, because doing everything in one process as a solution to a zombie reaper not doing something well which is not zombie reaping makes so much sense | Sep 27 21:24 |
| MinceR | life was too boring for people who didn't run extremely badly coded services? | Sep 27 21:24 |
| oiaohm | MinceR: everything shoved into PID1 comes from a stupid choice in Linux kernel cgroupv1 where the only thing able to start and control cgroups fully had to run as PID1 for a while. | Sep 27 21:25 |
| MinceR | yeah, why fix a design flaw in unfinished cgroups when you can instead fuck the whole OS up instead? | Sep 27 21:25 |
| oiaohm | MinceR: please note that stupid cgroup PID1 choice predates the existance of systemd. | Sep 27 21:25 |
| MinceR | makes so much sense now! | Sep 27 21:25 |
| MinceR | certainly beats the other alternative of not using cgroups in production until it's done and it actually works | Sep 27 21:26 |
| oiaohm | MinceR: and that developer from cgroupv1 pid mess is not from redhat. | Sep 27 21:26 |
| MinceR | and let's just ignore the fact that none of this magic is even necessary to manage daemons that don't fork (daemonize)... | Sep 27 21:26 |
| MinceR | great | Sep 27 21:26 |
| oiaohm | Core design faults have habit of spreading like a plague. | Sep 27 21:27 |
| MinceR | only the developer who capitalized on that mess to use it as excuse to destroy GNU is from redhat | Sep 27 21:27 |
| MinceR | that makes things so much nicer | Sep 27 21:27 |
| MinceR | well, that's what makes them core design flaws | Sep 27 21:27 |
| oiaohm | So some of systemd nightmare starts in the Linux kernel itself. | Sep 27 21:27 |
| MinceR | and why fix it if you can spread it instead | Sep 27 21:28 |
| oiaohm | systemd developer working on fixing up cgroup v2 is about fully removing the horible requirement to have a single application controlling all of cgroups or having absolutely hell. | Sep 27 21:29 |
| MinceR | great | Sep 27 21:29 |
| MinceR | then he can cancel all of systemd | Sep 27 21:29 |
| MinceR | and rethink the whole thing once that's done | Sep 27 21:29 |
| MinceR | because once cgroups design is fixed, it won't be an excuse for systemd even to the tiny extent it was in the past | Sep 27 21:30 |
| MinceR | and maybe red hat could pay for a software engineering 101 course for the systemd cabal | Sep 27 21:30 |
| MinceR | so they don't fuck up like this in the future | Sep 27 21:30 |
| MinceR | and instead think before they code | Sep 27 21:30 |
| oiaohm | Please note before systemd you had the choice of 9 different cgroup controllers. Yes you make something like the linux world that you can only have 1 item to control it and you have to get a army of different people wanting control of it. | Sep 27 21:31 |
| MinceR | i also had a choice you're ignoring | Sep 27 21:31 |
| MinceR | that of not using cgroups at all | Sep 27 21:31 |
| MinceR | which is the correct choice for a kernel feature that is not yet ready for use | Sep 27 21:31 |
| oiaohm | Not using cgroups at all meant the feature got added to the kernel and basically let rot and come more and more horible when you used it. | Sep 27 21:32 |
| MinceR | also, if i saw someone with the caliber of poettering hacking something up to control cgroups i'd probably want to replace his hack with something sane too | Sep 27 21:32 |
| MinceR | which didn't matter because i did not use it | Sep 27 21:33 |
| oiaohm | MinceR: poettering cgroup controller is that bad that it was like heck we have to fix this kernel cgroup defective design. | Sep 27 21:33 |
| oiaohm | MinceR: instead of putting it under the ingore it rug and hope it goes away. | Sep 27 21:34 |
| MinceR | and yet here we are, something that grew out of that hack slaughtering GNU/Linux distros left and right | Sep 27 21:34 |
| MinceR | but at least it exposes the people responsible for those distros to be unfit to be in charge of a distro | Sep 27 21:34 |
| oiaohm | The scary part is there about another 18 items in the kernel that I know of that could be another stack of hell. | Sep 27 21:35 |
| MinceR | how many of them will be used as an excuse to try and destroy userspace? | Sep 27 21:36 |
| oiaohm | MinceR: cgroupv1 before systemd was a fun way to screw everything up give 1 program 100 percent IO and another program 100 pecent CPU access and watch everything lock up as the program with 100 percent cpu access attempts to do IO blocked by the process with 100 percent io grantted. | Sep 27 21:36 |
| MinceR | well, that's not a big deal | Sep 27 21:37 |
| MinceR | with root, i can set things up so that the system won't even boot. | Sep 27 21:37 |
| oiaohm | MinceR: cgroupv2 adds sanity. A program cannot have 100 percent IO and no cpu time under cgroupv2. Because you cannot do IO without cpu right. | Sep 27 21:38 |
| oiaohm | MinceR: yes you can break a Linux system with root so it will not boot. But being able to set somethings is just pure insane. | Sep 27 21:39 |
| MinceR | there are many settings that can break a system, and this is normal | Sep 27 21:40 |
| MinceR | "Unix was not designed to stop you from doing stupid things, because that would also stop you from doing clever things." | Sep 27 21:40 |
| oiaohm | MinceR: most have a logical reason for needing to set them. | Sep 27 21:40 |
| oiaohm | MinceR: 100 percent IO with no means to do IO is not logical. | Sep 27 21:41 |
| oiaohm | MinceR: you could do same thing with the memory controller and other cgroupv1 controllers because they were independent to each other so no sanity check. | Sep 27 21:41 |
| oiaohm | MinceR: a few sanity checks don't stop you form doing clever things but do stop you from doing absolutely foolish things. | Sep 27 21:43 |
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| cubexyz | think deeply about something :) | Sep 28 01:42 |
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| cubexyz | also can mean heat with sugar and spices :) | Sep 28 01:42 |
| XRevan86 | cubexyz: Well, Void is rolling. Dunno what you think about that. | Sep 28 01:43 |
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| XRevan86 | cubexyz: This word is completely new to me :) | Sep 28 01:44 |
| cubexyz | actually the 2nd meaning sounds pretty good | Sep 28 01:44 |
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| XRevan86 | cubexyz: Anyway, from what I know about your preferences (OS simplicity), I think you'll like alpine. | Sep 28 01:47 |
| XRevan86 | It tries really hard to fit on a router :) | Sep 28 01:47 |
| cubexyz | not merely simplicity... elegance + efficiency | Sep 28 01:47 |
| cubexyz | but it sounds promising | Sep 28 01:48 |
| XRevan86 | As an init it uses systemd | Sep 28 01:48 |
| cubexyz | nooooo | Sep 28 01:48 |
| XRevan86 | kidding, openrc :) | Sep 28 01:48 |
| cubexyz | ok :) | Sep 28 01:48 |
| cubexyz | I think the bsd way is pretty close to the slackware way | Sep 28 01:49 |
| XRevan86 | init-wise void is simpler though: runit | Sep 28 01:50 |
| cubexyz | except openbsd has no /etc/rc.d | Sep 28 01:51 |
| XRevan86 | I have questions about runit handling cases like double-forking… | Sep 28 01:51 |
| XRevan86 | I don't like runit… it's too simple. | Sep 28 01:52 |
| cubexyz | openbsd uses rc.conf, but slackware doesn't | Sep 28 01:52 |
| XRevan86 | cubexyz: What's rc.d exactly? | Sep 28 01:53 |
| XRevan86 | init.d? | Sep 28 01:53 |
| r_schestowitz | innit?! | Sep 28 01:53 |
| cubexyz | the scripts are in /etc/rc.d | Sep 28 01:53 |
| cubexyz | it's just a directory | Sep 28 01:53 |
| XRevan86 | cubexyz: I'm wondering if it's actually a directory with enabled services… | Sep 28 01:54 |
| XRevan86 | Does init.d exist in slackware too? | Sep 28 01:54 |
| cubexyz | yeah, that's a subdirectory under /etc/rc.d | Sep 28 01:55 |
| XRevan86 | I never really thought through about how sysvinit or similar store enabledness of services | Sep 28 01:55 |
| XRevan86 | But I think it's symlinks in directories /etc/rc.5/ and such. | Sep 28 01:56 |
| XRevan86 | rc5.d * | Sep 28 01:56 |
| XRevan86 | cubexyz: And what else is there apart from it? | Sep 28 01:57 |
| cubexyz | there's a bunch of rc.X.d directories | Sep 28 01:57 |
| cubexyz | oops | Sep 28 01:57 |
| XRevan86 | cubexyz: Those must be runlevels, yes. | Sep 28 01:57 |
| cubexyz | rcX.d I mean | Sep 28 01:58 |
| cubexyz | rc0.d through rc6.d | Sep 28 01:58 |
| XRevan86 | cubexyz: got ya :) | Sep 28 01:58 |
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| XRevan86 | And so, symlinks in there to scripts in init.d/ | Sep 28 01:58 |
| cubexyz | I'm definitely not saying slackware is the easiest distro to use | Sep 28 01:58 |
| cubexyz | I thought FC1 was more straightforward | Sep 28 01:59 |
| XRevan86 | cubexyz: It looks like a normal sysvinit, actually :) | Sep 28 01:59 |
| XRevan86 | From what I understood. | Sep 28 01:59 |
| cubexyz | none of the linux distros are really simple | Sep 28 02:00 |
| cubexyz | for simplicity there's Unix v5, v6 or v7 | Sep 28 02:01 |
| XRevan86 | cubexyz: Or heavy :) | Sep 28 02:01 |
| XRevan86 | Slackware is famous for throwing everything at one's drive by default. | Sep 28 02:01 |
| XRevan86 | And for that it is actually reasonable in Slackware :). | Sep 28 02:02 |
| XRevan86 | cubexyz: Really, try Alpine :) | Sep 28 02:02 |
| XRevan86 | It's definitely simpler than Void, and that's saying something. | Sep 28 02:03 |
| cubexyz | openbsd was very close to what I thought was ideal | Sep 28 02:03 |
| XRevan86 | cubexyz: I didn't try it. But I heard it's well-designed. | Sep 28 02:04 |
| XRevan86 | Haven't seen anyone sane sticking with it though. | Sep 28 02:04 |
| cubexyz | this box is a permanent openbsd box | Sep 28 02:04 |
| XRevan86 | Driver issues probably. | Sep 28 02:04 |
| XRevan86 | cubexyz: Well, okay, you :). | Sep 28 02:05 |
| cubexyz | XRevan86, some ISPs are running BSD, usually freebsd | Sep 28 02:05 |
| cubexyz | surely you know people who use freebsd | Sep 28 02:06 |
| XRevan86 | cubexyz: ISPs don't have to deal with WiFi %). | Sep 28 02:06 |
| XRevan86 | cubexyz: Not really. | Sep 28 02:06 |
| XRevan86 | FreeBSD used to be big in ex-USSR, but it faded almost to nonexistence. | Sep 28 02:07 |
| XRevan86 | Yandex was a famous company for using FreeBSD | Sep 28 02:07 |
| cubexyz | Yandex also helps us for older openbsd packages | Sep 28 02:07 |
| XRevan86 | but few years ago they moved to Debian | Sep 28 02:07 |
| cubexyz | it keeps my openbsd 4.7 working | Sep 28 02:08 |
| XRevan86 | A Ukrainian friend of mine for recently motivated to set up a VPN :). | Sep 28 02:09 |
| XRevan86 | Because of RF Internet companies blocking in the country. | Sep 28 02:09 |
| cubexyz | I've been installing mint for linux newbies | Sep 28 02:09 |
| cubexyz | can't get too philosophical with newbies :) | Sep 28 02:10 |
| cubexyz | but slackware has some important derivatives... | Sep 28 02:11 |
| cubexyz | http://www.maxhost.org/other/slack-importance.txt | Sep 28 02:12 |
| XRevan86 | cubexyz: Makes sense :). I just run away from newbies, I'm terribe for the movement %). | Sep 28 02:12 |
| XRevan86 | terrible* | Sep 28 02:12 |
| cubexyz | nothing compares to basic linux 3.5 for low memory use | Sep 28 02:13 |
| cubexyz | if you have an old clunker with 16 megs, that's the only thing that will run | Sep 28 02:14 |
| XRevan86 | cubexyz: I keep getting back to Alpine in my head when I see "Good for older computers", et cetera | Sep 28 02:14 |
| XRevan86 | cubexyz: Alpine needs 8M to be set up without the kernel. | Sep 28 02:16 |
| XRevan86 | https://www.alpinelinux.org/about/ | Sep 28 02:16 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.alpinelinux.org | about | Alpine Linux | Sep 28 02:16 | |
| XRevan86 | > A container requires no more than 8 MB and a minimal installation to disc requires around 130 MB of storage. | Sep 28 02:16 |
| cubexyz | yes, it seems promising | Sep 28 02:17 |
| cubexyz | BL3 is very old | Sep 28 02:17 |
| cubexyz | BL3 is mainly for getting a very old laptop to work or something like that | Sep 28 02:17 |
| XRevan86 | > Binary packages are thinned out and split, giving you even more control over what you install, which in turn keeps your environment as small and efficient as possible. | Sep 28 02:17 |
| XRevan86 | That's something Slackware definitely doesn't do. | Sep 28 02:17 |
| cubexyz | If I nuke the intel duo core box, I'll try alpine | Sep 28 02:18 |
| XRevan86 | cubexyz: Your input on it will be very interesting :). | Sep 28 02:19 |
| cubexyz | a trinity distro would be nice also | Sep 28 02:19 |
| cubexyz | q4OS or exe gnu/linux | Sep 28 02:20 |
| XRevan86 | cubexyz: Qt3, meh. | Sep 28 02:20 |
| XRevan86 | It's pretty messy, appearance-wise | Sep 28 02:20 |
| cubexyz | the old 3.5.10 konsole was awesome | Sep 28 02:20 |
| cubexyz | I still use it on vector | Sep 28 02:20 |
| cubexyz | the other possibility is void linux | Sep 28 02:21 |
| cubexyz | but Alpine is definitely a good choice because of musl libc | Sep 28 02:22 |
| cubexyz | looks like they tried hard to make it small and efficient | Sep 28 02:22 |
| cubexyz | at least on edge branch | Sep 28 02:23 |
| XRevan86 | cubexyz: Yep | Sep 28 02:24 |
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| XRevan86 | It's also widely used as a basis for containers (like Docker), because it's the least fat option. | Sep 28 02:24 |
| XRevan86 | To make the container as small as possible. | Sep 28 02:25 |
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| cubexyz | I actually have a P4 box sitting around doing nothing | Sep 28 02:29 |
| cubexyz | so I'll try apline on it | Sep 28 02:29 |
| XRevan86 | cubexyz: Pentium 4 | Sep 28 02:33 |
| XRevan86 | ? | Sep 28 02:33 |
| cubexyz | yes | Sep 28 02:33 |
| DaemonFC | cubexyz, KDE 3.5.10 is still an option on openSUSE. | Sep 28 03:22 |
| DaemonFC | They keep it patched up well enough to work. | Sep 28 03:22 |
| DaemonFC | https://en.opensuse.org/KDE3 | Sep 28 03:23 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-en.opensuse.org | KDE3 - openSUSE | Sep 28 03:23 | |
| cubexyz | huh, surprising | Sep 28 03:23 |
| DaemonFC | The system requirements shouldn't be too high for that. | Sep 28 03:24 |
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| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines https://twitter.com/victorRuivoBR/status/913213354449219584 | Sep 28 04:37 |
| TweetTuxMachines | retweeted by OSS: Oath, #TODO, Free and Open Source Software History, | Sep 28 04:37 |
| TweetTuxMachines | @victorRuivoBR #Bossies 2017, #Seahorse and #APIStrat | Sep 28 04:37 |
| TweetTuxMachines | https://t.co/hDY8NMJUvx (www.tuxmachines.org) | Sep 28 04:37 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | OSS: Oath, TODO, Free and Open Source Software History, Bossies 2017, Seahorse and APIStrat | Tux Machines | Sep 28 04:37 | |
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| MinceR | https://imgur.com/gallery/zjOma | Sep 28 06:27 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Mother and child - Album on Imgur | Sep 28 06:27 | |
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| DaemonFC | Fuck. | Sep 28 06:48 |
| DaemonFC | I just got more DMCA notices from Comcast. | Sep 28 06:48 |
| DaemonFC | I'm getting a VPN. | Sep 28 06:49 |
| r_schestowitz | dmca? | Sep 28 07:12 |
| r_schestowitz | DaemonFC: I mean, technically or legally speaking | Sep 28 07:20 |
| r_schestowitz | dmca would be used or directed at another level | Sep 28 07:21 |
| r_schestowitz | Comcast issued perhaps something else | Sep 28 07:21 |
| r_schestowitz | unless you violated comcast (c) | Sep 28 07:21 |
| r_schestowitz | by hosting some files from your home pc | Sep 28 07:21 |
| MinceR | https://i.imgur.com/UtWwSJI.gif | Sep 28 07:23 |
| DaemonFC | r_schestowitz, Yeah, I'm setting up Private Internet Access. | Sep 28 07:25 |
| DaemonFC | Fuck Comcast. | Sep 28 07:25 |
| r_schestowitz | go for it | Sep 28 07:27 |
| r_schestowitz | I always use a VPN | Sep 28 07:27 |
| r_schestowitz | wife does too | Sep 28 07:27 |
| r_schestowitz | work VPN | Sep 28 07:27 |
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| DaemonFC | r_schestowitz, It's set up now | Sep 28 07:38 |
| DaemonFC | I got 24 DMCA notices in one go and then a threatening letter from Comcast. | Sep 28 07:38 |
| DaemonFC | So now there won't be anymore of that. | Sep 28 07:38 |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines https://twitter.com/tuxmachines/status/913292601876451328 | Sep 28 07:44 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Android Leftovers https://t.co/f7SfbUQRAA | Sep 28 07:44 |
| TweetTuxMachines | (www.tuxmachines.org) #android #linux #google | Sep 28 07:44 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Sep 28 07:44 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Android Leftovers | Tux Machines | Sep 28 07:44 | |
| r_schestowitz | DaemonFC: privateinternetaccess? | Sep 28 07:45 |
| r_schestowitz | That's the Swedish one? | Sep 28 07:45 |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines https://twitter.com/tuxmachines/status/913293191373316096 | Sep 28 07:45 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Ubuntu Is Dropping 32-Bit Images, But the Rest of the | Sep 28 07:45 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Flavors Will Keep Them https://t.co/ONNoALcFbn | Sep 28 07:45 |
| TweetTuxMachines | (www.tuxmachines.org) #ubuntu #gnu #linux | Sep 28 07:45 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Ubuntu Is Dropping 32-Bit Images, But the Rest of the Flavors Will Keep Them | Tux Machines | Sep 28 07:45 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | Sep 28 07:45 | |
| DaemonFC | It's the one that sponsors freenode. | Sep 28 07:46 |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines https://twitter.com/tuxmachines/status/913293790856785922 | Sep 28 07:49 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Neon: the naked KDE https://t.co/5AorXfbIZm | Sep 28 07:49 |
| TweetTuxMachines | (www.tuxmachines.org) #plasma #kde #neon #gnu #linux | Sep 28 07:49 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Sep 28 07:49 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Neon: the naked KDE | Tux Machines | Sep 28 07:49 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines https://twitter.com/tuxmachines/status/913294450943758336 | Sep 28 07:53 |
| TweetTuxMachines | 4 features that make GNOME 3.26 worth the switch | Sep 28 07:53 |
| TweetTuxMachines | https://t.co/EH5SwmyPxy (www.tuxmachines.org) #gnome #gnu | Sep 28 07:53 |
| TweetTuxMachines | #linux | Sep 28 07:53 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Sep 28 07:53 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | 4 features that make GNOME 3.26 worth the switch | Tux Machines | Sep 28 07:53 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines https://twitter.com/tuxmachines/status/913295400014110721 | Sep 28 07:55 |
| TweetTuxMachines | In pursuit of Purism | Sep 28 07:55 |
| TweetTuxMachines | https://t.co/maEhpF3WUX (www.tuxmachines.org) #interview | Sep 28 07:55 |
| TweetTuxMachines | #purism #librem #gnu #linux | Sep 28 07:55 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Sep 28 07:55 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | In pursuit of Purism | Tux Machines | Sep 28 07:55 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines https://twitter.com/tuxmachines/status/913296032812777472 | Sep 28 07:57 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Android Leftovers https://t.co/bzgYQAbFKy | Sep 28 07:57 |
| TweetTuxMachines | (www.tuxmachines.org) #android #linux #google | Sep 28 07:57 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Android Leftovers | Tux Machines | Sep 28 07:57 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | Sep 28 07:57 | |
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| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines https://twitter.com/Pyrokitteh/status/913296583520858113 | Sep 28 07:59 |
| TweetTuxMachines | retweeted by Android Leftovers https://t.co/f7SfbUQRAA | Sep 28 07:59 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Android Leftovers | Tux Machines | Sep 28 07:59 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @Pyrokitteh (www.tuxmachines.org) #android #linux #google | Sep 28 07:59 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Sep 28 07:59 | |
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| DaemonFC | Okay, apparently the Chicago and Silicon Valley servers don't do bittorrent too well, but the Texas one does. | Sep 28 08:21 |
| *DaemonFC sets Texas to Connect Automatically. | Sep 28 08:21 | |
| *Disconnected (Connection reset by peer). | Sep 28 09:34 | |
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| *Now talking on #techrights | Sep 28 09:35 | |
| *Topic for #techrights is: TechRights.org | Channel #techrights for http://TechRights.org :: please also join channels #boycottnovell-social #techbytes and #boycottnovell | Sep 28 09:35 | |
| *Topic for #techrights set by schestowitz!~schestowi@unaffiliated/schestowitz at Sat Jun 9 18:16:19 2012 | Sep 28 09:35 | |
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| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/913318651713003520 | Sep 28 10:10 |
| TweetTuxMachines | retweeted by Android Leftovers https://t.co/f7SfbUQRAA | Sep 28 10:10 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Android Leftovers | Tux Machines | Sep 28 10:10 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @schestowitz (www.tuxmachines.org) #android #linux #google | Sep 28 10:10 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Sep 28 10:10 | |
| r_schestowitz | >>> Bryan Lunduke is trying to crowdsource funding to join the W3C. His | Sep 28 10:35 |
| r_schestowitz | >>> membership has tentatively been approved pending payment in full. | Sep 28 10:35 |
| r_schestowitz | >> Didn't see it. | Sep 28 10:35 |
| r_schestowitz | >> | Sep 28 10:35 |
| r_schestowitz | >> Can't judge. | Sep 28 10:35 |
| r_schestowitz | >> | Sep 28 10:35 |
| r_schestowitz | >> But on the surface... | Sep 28 10:35 |
| r_schestowitz | >> | Sep 28 10:35 |
| r_schestowitz | >> A self-promotional stunt that would accomplish nothing as he has little | Sep 28 10:35 |
| r_schestowitz | >> industry clout (he doesn't make his own browser). | Sep 28 10:35 |
| r_schestowitz | > A stunt but not necessarily self-promotional. He is actually concerned | Sep 28 10:35 |
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| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines https://twitter.com/tuxmachines/status/913341333724712960 | Sep 28 11:00 |
| TweetTuxMachines | #Knoppix 8.1 Now Available For A Retro Linux Experience | Sep 28 11:00 |
| TweetTuxMachines | In 2017 https://t.co/uVWWrtAkT8 (www.tuxmachines.org) | Sep 28 11:00 |
| TweetTuxMachines | #debian #gnu #linux #de #germany | Sep 28 11:00 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Sep 28 11:00 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Knoppix 8.1 Now Available For A Retro Linux Experience In 2017 | Tux Machines | Sep 28 11:00 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines https://twitter.com/tuxmachines/status/913342583430098944 | Sep 28 11:06 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Games: Unity (Mono), Time Recoil, Pankapu, Wild Terra, | Sep 28 11:06 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Citadale: The Legends Trilogy, Space Pirates And Zombies | Sep 28 11:06 |
| TweetTuxMachines | 2 | Sep 28 11:06 |
| TweetTuxMachines | https://t.co/VXGroXZMMY (www.tuxmachines.org) | Sep 28 11:06 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Sep 28 11:06 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Games: Unity (Mono), Time Recoil, Pankapu, Wild Terra, Citadale: The Legends Trilogy, Space Pirates And Zombies 2 | Tux Machines | Sep 28 11:07 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines https://twitter.com/tuxmachines/status/913344237646868480 | Sep 28 11:10 |
| TweetTuxMachines | #RedHat in #Singapore and Defections From #VMware | Sep 28 11:10 |
| TweetTuxMachines | https://t.co/5Hf0QVy2Kw (www.tuxmachines.org) #gnu #linux | Sep 28 11:10 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Sep 28 11:10 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Red Hat in Singapore and Defections From VMware | Tux Machines | Sep 28 11:10 | |
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| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines https://twitter.com/tuxmachines/status/913345108858335233 | Sep 28 11:12 |
| TweetTuxMachines | #Security: "Bad Microsoft", #Deloitte, Ransom, #Equifax, | Sep 28 11:12 |
| TweetTuxMachines | #Linux and #PhishFortheFuture | Sep 28 11:12 |
| TweetTuxMachines | https://t.co/0MDKT7dkps (www.tuxmachines.org) | Sep 28 11:12 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Security: "Bad Microsoft", Deloitte, Ransom, Equifax, Linux and Phish For the Future | Tux Machines | Sep 28 11:12 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | Sep 28 11:12 | |
| *TweetTuxMachines @schestowitz retweeted @tuxmachines: '#Security: "Bad Microsoft", #Deloitte, Ransom, #Equifax, #Linux and...' | Sep 28 11:23 | |
| *TweetTuxMachines @schestowitz retweeted @tuxmachines: '#RedHat in #Singapore and Defections From #VMware ...' | Sep 28 11:27 | |
| *TweetTuxMachines @schestowitz retweeted @tuxmachines: 'Games: Unity (Mono), Time Recoil, Pankapu, Wild Terra,...' | Sep 28 11:30 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/913350305408012288 | Sep 28 11:37 |
| TweetTuxMachines | retweeted by #Knoppix 8.1 Now Available For A Retro Linux Experience | Sep 28 11:37 |
| TweetTuxMachines | @schestowitz In 2017 https://t.co/uVWWrtAkT8 (www.tuxmachines.org) | Sep 28 11:37 |
| TweetTuxMachines | #debian #gnu #linux #de #germany | Sep 28 11:37 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Sep 28 11:37 | |
| *TweetTuxMachines @glynmoody retweeted @tuxmachines: '#Knoppix 8.1 Now Available For A Retro Linux...' | Sep 28 11:55 | |
| *TweetTuxMachines @carocarocjdl favourited '#RedHat in #Singapore and Defections From #VMware ...' | Sep 28 11:55 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines https://twitter.com/tuxmachines/status/913356662668496900 | Sep 28 11:58 |
| TweetTuxMachines | #Eolie Web Browser for #GNOME - The Simplest Web Browser | Sep 28 11:58 |
| TweetTuxMachines | https://t.co/glmTWrhez7 (www.tuxmachines.org) | Sep 28 11:58 |
| TweetTuxMachines | #gnu #linux | Sep 28 11:58 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Sep 28 11:58 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines https://twitter.com/tuxmachines/status/913356948220899328 | Sep 28 11:58 |
| TweetTuxMachines | 9 open source license management rules for startups | Sep 28 11:58 |
| TweetTuxMachines | https://t.co/567nEA72WR (www.tuxmachines.org) | Sep 28 11:58 |
| TweetTuxMachines | #freesw #licensing | Sep 28 11:58 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Sep 28 11:58 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Eolie Web Browser for GNOME - The Simplest Web Browser | Tux Machines | Sep 28 11:58 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | 9 open source license management rules for startups | Tux Machines | Sep 28 11:59 | |
| *TweetTuxMachines @schestowitz retweeted @tuxmachines: '9 open source license management rules for startups...' | Sep 28 12:02 | |
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| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/913358120956628992 | Sep 28 12:36 |
| TweetTuxMachines | retweeted by #Eolie Web Browser for #GNOME - The Simplest Web Browser | Sep 28 12:36 |
| TweetTuxMachines | @schestowitz https://t.co/glmTWrhez7 (www.tuxmachines.org) | Sep 28 12:36 |
| TweetTuxMachines | #gnu #linux | Sep 28 12:36 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Sep 28 12:36 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines https://twitter.com/tuxmachines/status/913367515979542528 | Sep 28 12:45 |
| TweetTuxMachines | #Krita 3.3.0 | Sep 28 12:45 |
| TweetTuxMachines | https://t.co/BK7u9Wk1UO (www.tuxmachines.org) | Sep 28 12:45 |
| TweetTuxMachines | #qt #kde #freesw | Sep 28 12:45 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Sep 28 12:45 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Krita 3.3.0 | Tux Machines | Sep 28 12:45 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines https://twitter.com/tuxmachines/status/913368969574277120 | Sep 28 12:50 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Best Linux Distros for the Enterprise | Sep 28 12:50 |
| TweetTuxMachines | https://t.co/6lJ68PyGRQ (www.tuxmachines.org) #gnu #linux | Sep 28 12:50 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Sep 28 12:50 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Best Linux Distros for the Enterprise | Tux Machines | Sep 28 12:50 | |
| *TweetTuxMachines @schestowitz retweeted @tuxmachines: 'Best Linux Distros for the Enterprise https://t.co/6lJ68PyGRQ #gnu...' | Sep 28 12:54 | |
| *TweetTuxMachines @schestowitz retweeted @tuxmachines: '#Krita 3.3.0 https://t.co/BK7u9Wk1UO #qt #kde #freesw...' | Sep 28 13:02 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines https://twitter.com/tuxmachines/status/913386151347720192 | Sep 28 13:54 |
| TweetTuxMachines | #Kernel: #Clang, 2017 Linux Plumbers Conference, and | Sep 28 13:54 |
| TweetTuxMachines | #Mesa Building | Sep 28 13:54 |
| TweetTuxMachines | https://t.co/QuLwfJXLG3 (www.tuxmachines.org) | Sep 28 13:54 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Sep 28 13:54 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Kernel: Clang, 2017 Linux Plumbers Conference, and Mesa Building | Tux Machines | Sep 28 13:54 | |
| *TweetTuxMachines @MariusNestor favourited 'Ubuntu Is Dropping 32-Bit Images, But the Rest...' | Sep 28 13:55 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines https://twitter.com/tuxmachines/status/913386673647611906 | Sep 28 13:57 |
| TweetTuxMachines | #RedHat, #SAP, and #Databases | Sep 28 13:57 |
| TweetTuxMachines | https://t.co/es1YS8PDVv (www.tuxmachines.org) #db #gnu | Sep 28 13:57 |
| TweetTuxMachines | #linux | Sep 28 13:57 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Sep 28 13:57 | |
| MinceR | > for #GNOME | Sep 28 13:57 |
| MinceR | no thanks | Sep 28 13:57 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Red Hat, SAP, and Databases | Tux Machines | Sep 28 13:57 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines https://twitter.com/tuxmachines/status/913387070609125376 | Sep 28 13:59 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Devices: #Gonimo, Building an #ARM64 Laptop, and More | Sep 28 13:59 |
| TweetTuxMachines | https://t.co/F56Ls2j1P3 (www.tuxmachines.org) #gnu #linux | Sep 28 13:59 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Sep 28 13:59 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Devices: Gonimo, Building an ARM64 Laptop, and More | Tux Machines | Sep 28 13:59 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines https://twitter.com/tuxmachines/status/913387469969805312 | Sep 28 14:12 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Mozilla's New Browser Release and Opera 48 | Sep 28 14:12 |
| TweetTuxMachines | https://t.co/e4HWRM5lBX (www.tuxmachines.org) #mozilla | Sep 28 14:12 |
| TweetTuxMachines | #firefox #opera #www | Sep 28 14:12 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Sep 28 14:12 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Mozilla's New Browser Release and Opera 48 | Tux Machines | Sep 28 14:12 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines https://twitter.com/tuxmachines/status/913390942601859072 | Sep 28 14:13 |
| TweetTuxMachines | OSS: Big Data, Yahoo, GZOSP, OpenDaylight, US Government, | Sep 28 14:13 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Facebook's New GraphQL License and Theo de Raadt's Talk | Sep 28 14:13 |
| TweetTuxMachines | https://t.co/TpQfPAfb6e (www.tuxmachines.org) | Sep 28 14:13 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | OSS: Big Data, Yahoo, GZOSP, OpenDaylight, US Government, Facebook's New GraphQL License and Theo de Raadt's Talk | Tux Machines | Sep 28 14:13 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | Sep 28 14:13 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines https://twitter.com/tuxmachines/status/913393087392747527 | Sep 28 14:29 |
| TweetTuxMachines | #Security: Patches and Unpatched Systems | Sep 28 14:29 |
| TweetTuxMachines | https://t.co/H8aEuZNTQx (www.tuxmachines.org) | Sep 28 14:29 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Sep 28 14:29 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Security: Patches and Unpatched Systems | Tux Machines | Sep 28 14:29 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines https://twitter.com/tuxmachines/status/913395227238510592 | Sep 28 14:34 |
| TweetTuxMachines | today's howtos | Sep 28 14:34 |
| TweetTuxMachines | https://t.co/uGvH8GLskY (www.tuxmachines.org) #howto #gnu | Sep 28 14:34 |
| TweetTuxMachines | #linux #unix | Sep 28 14:34 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Sep 28 14:34 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines https://twitter.com/tuxmachines/status/913396202355470337 | Sep 28 14:35 |
| TweetTuxMachines | #KDE: #Nextcloud, #Elisa, and #Plasma | Sep 28 14:35 |
| TweetTuxMachines | https://t.co/9yb8oreg5K (www.tuxmachines.org) | Sep 28 14:35 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | today's howtos | Tux Machines | Sep 28 14:35 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | KDE: Nextcloud, Elisa, and Plasma | Tux Machines | Sep 28 14:35 | |
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| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines https://twitter.com/tuxmachines/status/913396520095043585 | Sep 28 14:42 |
| TweetTuxMachines | #Ubuntu: 32-bit, Paper Theme And Icons, HUD on Artful | Sep 28 14:42 |
| TweetTuxMachines | #MATE Beta, and #ULauncher | Sep 28 14:42 |
| TweetTuxMachines | https://t.co/asU20m4ecw (www.tuxmachines.org) #gnu #linux | Sep 28 14:42 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Sep 28 14:42 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Ubuntu: 32-bit, Paper Theme And Icons, HUD on Artful MATE Beta, and ULauncher | Tux Machines | Sep 28 14:43 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines https://twitter.com/tuxmachines/status/913398594992001027 | Sep 28 14:49 |
| TweetTuxMachines | #Games: #LastStitchGoodnight, #KharonsCrypt, and More | Sep 28 14:49 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Information About #Ataribox | Sep 28 14:49 |
| TweetTuxMachines | https://t.co/B9Yfo4Ya9s (www.tuxmachines.org) #gnu #linux | Sep 28 14:49 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Games: Last Stitch Goodnight, Kharon's Crypt, and More Information About Ataribox | Tux Machines | Sep 28 14:49 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | Sep 28 14:49 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/913400288710717440 | Sep 28 15:04 |
| TweetTuxMachines | retweeted by #Games: #LastStitchGoodnight, #KharonsCrypt, and More | Sep 28 15:04 |
| TweetTuxMachines | @schestowitz Information About #Ataribox | Sep 28 15:04 |
| TweetTuxMachines | https://t.co/B9Yfo4Ya9s (www.tuxmachines.org) #gnu #linux | Sep 28 15:04 |
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| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/913404079992393735 | Sep 28 15:11 |
| TweetTuxMachines | retweeted by #Ubuntu: 32-bit, Paper Theme And Icons, HUD on Artful | Sep 28 15:11 |
| TweetTuxMachines | @schestowitz #MATE Beta, and #ULauncher | Sep 28 15:11 |
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| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/913405773018992646 | Sep 28 15:21 |
| TweetTuxMachines | retweeted by #KDE: #Nextcloud, #Elisa, and #Plasma | Sep 28 15:21 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | KDE: Nextcloud, Elisa, and Plasma | Tux Machines | Sep 28 15:21 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/913408178565591040 | Sep 28 15:26 |
| TweetTuxMachines | retweeted by today's howtos | Sep 28 15:26 |
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| TweetTuxMachines | #linux #unix | Sep 28 15:26 |
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| TweetTuxMachines | retweeted by #Security: Patches and Unpatched Systems | Sep 28 16:04 |
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| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/913432338490634242 | Sep 28 17:08 |
| TweetTuxMachines | retweeted by Devices: #Gonimo, Building an #ARM64 Laptop, and More | Sep 28 17:08 |
| TweetTuxMachines | @schestowitz https://t.co/F56Ls2j1P3 (www.tuxmachines.org) #gnu #linux | Sep 28 17:08 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Devices: Gonimo, Building an ARM64 Laptop, and More | Tux Machines | Sep 28 17:08 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines https://twitter.com/tuxmachines/status/913440404225355777 | Sep 28 17:35 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Today and Yesterday in Techrights | Sep 28 17:35 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Today and Yesterday in Techrights | Tux Machines | Sep 28 17:35 | |
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| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/913442117258743813 | Sep 28 17:40 |
| TweetTuxMachines | retweeted by #RedHat, #SAP, and #Databases | Sep 28 17:40 |
| TweetTuxMachines | @schestowitz https://t.co/es1YS8PDVv (www.tuxmachines.org) #db #gnu | Sep 28 17:40 |
| TweetTuxMachines | #linux | Sep 28 17:40 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Red Hat, SAP, and Databases | Tux Machines | Sep 28 17:41 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/913443375814184960 | Sep 28 17:55 |
| TweetTuxMachines | retweeted by #Kernel: #Clang, 2017 Linux Plumbers Conference, and | Sep 28 17:55 |
| TweetTuxMachines | @schestowitz #Mesa Building | Sep 28 17:55 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Kernel: Clang, 2017 Linux Plumbers Conference, and Mesa Building | Tux Machines | Sep 28 17:55 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines https://twitter.com/tuxmachines/status/913446697505841152 | Sep 28 18:00 |
| TweetTuxMachines | #LibreOffice community celebrates 7th anniversary | Sep 28 18:00 |
| TweetTuxMachines | https://t.co/3WkkGp2jTB (www.tuxmachines.org) | Sep 28 18:00 |
| TweetTuxMachines | #tdf #odf #opendocument #freesw | Sep 28 18:00 |
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| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines https://twitter.com/tuxmachines/status/913447854219431936 | Sep 28 18:02 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Learning from Scratch: Kids Day at #OpenSourceSummit | Sep 28 18:02 |
| TweetTuxMachines | https://t.co/2sCDJDNXvy (www.tuxmachines.org) | Sep 28 18:02 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | LibreOffice community celebrates 7th anniversary | Tux Machines | Sep 28 18:03 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Learning from Scratch: Kids Day at Open Source Summit | Tux Machines | Sep 28 18:04 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines https://twitter.com/tuxmachines/status/913448507046014976 | Sep 28 18:05 |
| TweetTuxMachines | #ClearLinux Squeezes More Performance Out Of Intel's Core | Sep 28 18:05 |
| TweetTuxMachines | i9 7960X, 7980XE | Sep 28 18:05 |
| TweetTuxMachines | https://t.co/O7PzZyrk8c (www.tuxmachines.org) | Sep 28 18:05 |
| TweetTuxMachines | #intel #gnu #linux | Sep 28 18:05 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Clear Linux Squeezes More Performance Out Of Intel's Core i9 7960X, 7980XE | Tux Machines | Sep 28 18:05 | |
| *TweetTuxMachines @tuxmachines favourited '@wikileaks So did many other publishers, not only...' | Sep 28 18:05 | |
| *TweetTuxMachines @tuxmachines favourited '@wikileaks The rich people were winning the election...' | Sep 28 18:05 | |
| *TweetTuxMachines @tuxmachines favourited retweet 'RT @schestowitz: @wikileaks So did many other publishers,...' | Sep 28 18:05 | |
| *TweetTuxMachines @tuxmachines favourited retweet 'RT @schestowitz: @wikileaks The rich people were winning...' | Sep 28 18:09 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines https://twitter.com/tuxmachines/status/913450635542110208 | Sep 28 18:16 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Android Leftovers https://t.co/iFejzxl9SM | Sep 28 18:16 |
| TweetTuxMachines | (www.tuxmachines.org) #android #linux #google | Sep 28 18:16 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Android Leftovers | Tux Machines | Sep 28 18:17 | |
| gde33 | https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CZIINXhGDcs | Sep 28 18:22 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-David Graeber: "DEBT: The First 5,000 Years" | Talks at Google - YouTube | Sep 28 18:22 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/913452451130421254 | Sep 28 18:40 |
| TweetTuxMachines | retweeted by Android Leftovers https://t.co/iFejzxl9SM | Sep 28 18:40 |
| TweetTuxMachines | @schestowitz (www.tuxmachines.org) #android #linux #google | Sep 28 18:40 |
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| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/913458180767862789 | Sep 28 18:43 |
| TweetTuxMachines | retweeted by #ClearLinux Squeezes More Performance Out Of Intel's Core | Sep 28 18:43 |
| TweetTuxMachines | @schestowitz i9 7960X, 7980XE | Sep 28 18:43 |
| TweetTuxMachines | https://t.co/O7PzZyrk8c (www.tuxmachines.org) | Sep 28 18:43 |
| TweetTuxMachines | #intel #gnu #linux | Sep 28 18:43 |
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| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/913459118270304256 | Sep 28 18:48 |
| TweetTuxMachines | retweeted by Learning from Scratch: Kids Day at #OpenSourceSummit | Sep 28 18:48 |
| TweetTuxMachines | @schestowitz https://t.co/2sCDJDNXvy (www.tuxmachines.org) | Sep 28 18:48 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Learning from Scratch: Kids Day at Open Source Summit | Tux Machines | Sep 28 18:49 | |
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| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/913460453464068098 | Sep 28 18:51 |
| TweetTuxMachines | retweeted by #LibreOffice community celebrates 7th anniversary | Sep 28 18:51 |
| TweetTuxMachines | @schestowitz https://t.co/3WkkGp2jTB (www.tuxmachines.org) | Sep 28 18:51 |
| TweetTuxMachines | #tdf #odf #opendocument #freesw | Sep 28 18:51 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Sep 28 18:51 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | LibreOffice community celebrates 7th anniversary | Tux Machines | Sep 28 18:52 | |
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| MinceR | > Date: What's your zodiac sign? Ted Cruz: *sweating* my what? | Sep 28 19:10 |
| schestowitz | I think I heard it before... | Sep 28 19:15 |
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| *TweetTuxMachines @tuxmachines favourited '@wikileaks Even Clinton tried; her team promoted this...' | Sep 28 19:41 | |
| *TweetTuxMachines @tuxmachines favourited retweet 'RT @schestowitz: @wikileaks Even Clinton tried; her team...' | Sep 28 19:41 | |
| *TweetTuxMachines @tuxmachines favourited '@wikileaks She certainly tried, as all voters did.' | Sep 28 19:41 | |
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| MinceR | https://imgur.com/gallery/n3UmPaS | Sep 28 20:51 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Physics: George Lucas Edition - GIF on Imgur | Sep 28 20:51 | |
| MinceR | https://imgur.com/gallery/mpbV6 | Sep 28 20:57 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-MFW - Album on Imgur | Sep 28 20:57 | |
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| *TweetTuxMachines got exception: Unexpected end of ZLIB input stream ; reconnecting to Twitter... | Sep 28 21:13 | |
| *TweetTuxMachines got exception: Unexpected end of ZLIB input stream ; reconnecting to Twitter... | Sep 28 21:13 | |
| *TweetTuxMachines got exception: Unexpected end of ZLIB input stream ; reconnecting to Twitter... | Sep 28 21:14 | |
| *TweetTuxMachines got exception: Connect to userstream.twitter.com:443 [userstream.twitter.com/199.16.156.48] failed: Connection refused (Connection refused) ; reconnecting to Twitter... | Sep 28 21:14 | |
| XRevan86 | DaemonFC: I told somebody about your thing with Comcast, and he told me to tell you about IP blacklists %). | Sep 28 21:15 |
| *TweetTuxMachines got exception: Unexpected end of ZLIB input stream ; reconnecting to Twitter... | Sep 28 21:15 | |
| *TweetTuxMachines got exception: Connect to userstream.twitter.com:443 [userstream.twitter.com/199.16.156.48] failed: Connection refused (Connection refused) ; reconnecting to Twitter... | Sep 28 21:15 | |
| *TweetTuxMachines got exception: Connect to userstream.twitter.com:443 [userstream.twitter.com/199.16.156.48] failed: Connection refused (Connection refused) ; reconnecting to Twitter... | Sep 28 21:15 | |
| XRevan86 | DaemonFC: And three links: https://github.com/walshie4/Ultimate-Blocklist https://giuliomac.wordpress.com/2014/02/19/best-blocklist-for-transmission/ https://iblocklist.com/ | Sep 28 21:15 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-GitHub - walshie4/Ultimate-Blocklist: A super blocklist made from the most popular ones on the web! | Sep 28 21:15 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-giuliomac.wordpress.com | Which is the best blocklist for Transmission? – GiulioMac | Sep 28 21:15 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.iblocklist.com | I-BlockList | Home | Sep 28 21:15 | |
| XRevan86 | blocklists* | Sep 28 21:15 |
| XRevan86 | (20:15:30) ***TweetTuxMachines got exception: Connect to userstream.twitter.com:443 [userstream.twitter.com/199.16.156.48] failed: Connection refused (Connection refused) ; reconnecting to Twitter... | Sep 28 21:17 |
| XRevan86 | heh | Sep 28 21:17 |
| schestowitz | yeah | Sep 28 21:17 |
| schestowitz | looking into it | Sep 28 21:18 |
| DaemonFC | XRevan86, Those don't work. | Sep 28 21:22 |
| DaemonFC | Well, they work, just not well enough to depend on alone. | Sep 28 21:23 |
| DaemonFC | There's other ways for them to get your IP address out of the swarm. | Sep 28 21:23 |
| DaemonFC | Also, those blocklists only block about 50-60% of the IP ranges used by monitoring companies and even then, only on ipv4. | Sep 28 21:23 |
| DaemonFC | PIA's SOCKSv5 proxy tunneling through PIA's VPN is what I'm currently doing. | Sep 28 21:24 |
| DaemonFC | THat way, if the VPN goes down, the torrent client is still using the proxy, and if that fails, all data transfer stops. | Sep 28 21:25 |
| DaemonFC | There is no kill switch feature using OpenVPN. That's only with their Windows and Mac apps. | Sep 28 21:25 |
| DaemonFC | schestowitz, I found something nice though. | Sep 28 21:25 |
| XRevan86 | DaemonFC: Oh. | Sep 28 21:26 |
| DaemonFC | You can use 5 devices at once, so I got their Android app and installed it on my phone. | Sep 28 21:26 |
| DaemonFC | It has the VPN but it also has an option to block ads, trackers, and spyware. | Sep 28 21:26 |
| DaemonFC | "MACE" | Sep 28 21:26 |
| DaemonFC | So nothing on my phone has ads anymore. | Sep 28 21:26 |
| DaemonFC | I can even use Chrome if I want to. | Sep 28 21:26 |
| XRevan86 | I simply use AdAway :) | Sep 28 21:26 |
| XRevan86 | and uBlock Origin on Firefox, of course | Sep 28 21:27 |
| DaemonFC | AdAway costs money too. | Sep 28 21:27 |
| DaemonFC | And you don't get the VPN with it. | Sep 28 21:27 |
| XRevan86 | DaemonFC: Wait, what? | Sep 28 21:27 |
| DaemonFC | It sets itself up AS a VPN, but that's just a trick to get around Android limitations and block ads. | Sep 28 21:27 |
| XRevan86 | DaemonFC: https://f-droid.org/packages/org.adaway | Sep 28 21:27 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-f-droid.org | AdAway | F-Droid - Free and Open Source Android App Repository | Sep 28 21:27 | |
| DaemonFC | The VPN tunnels you to localhost where the app removes the ads. | Sep 28 21:27 |
| XRevan86 | AdAway uses /system/etc/hosts | Sep 28 21:27 |
| XRevan86 | (unlike Blokada which uses a local VPN) | Sep 28 21:28 |
| DaemonFC | Huh. Maybe I was thinking about something else. | Sep 28 21:28 |
| DaemonFC | If AdAwa doesn't use local VPN then it must require a rooted phone. | Sep 28 21:28 |
| XRevan86 | DaemonFC: It does, yes. | Sep 28 21:28 |
| *TweetTuxMachines got exception: Unexpected end of ZLIB input stream ; reconnecting to Twitter... | Sep 28 21:29 | |
| *TweetTuxMachines got exception: Unexpected end of ZLIB input stream ; reconnecting to Twitter... | Sep 28 21:29 | |
| *TweetTuxMachines got exception: Connect to userstream.twitter.com:443 [userstream.twitter.com/199.16.156.81] failed: Connection refused (Connection refused) ; reconnecting to Twitter... | Sep 28 21:29 | |
| XRevan86 | I also have AFWall+ :). | Sep 28 21:30 |
| XRevan86 | So even on an application-basis I need root. | Sep 28 21:30 |
| *TweetTuxMachines got exception: Connect to userstream.twitter.com:443 [userstream.twitter.com/199.16.156.81] failed: Connection refused (Connection refused) ; reconnecting to Twitter... | Sep 28 21:30 | |
| *TweetTuxMachines got exception: Connect to userstream.twitter.com:443 [userstream.twitter.com/199.16.156.81] failed: Connection refused (Connection refused) ; reconnecting to Twitter... | Sep 28 21:30 | |
| XRevan86 | DaemonFC: Is it a problem? :) | Sep 28 21:31 |
| schestowitz | DaemonFC: cool | Sep 28 21:31 |
| XRevan86 | I actually would be extremely uncomfortable if an Internet provider did ad blocking for me. | Sep 28 21:32 |
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| DaemonFC | https://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=788306 | Sep 28 21:41 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-bugzilla.gnome.org | Bug 788306 – GNOME Control Center crashes when trying to use VPN settings menu. | Sep 28 21:41 | |
| MinceR | obviously, VPN settings are too complicated for the typical user | Sep 28 21:44 |
| MinceR | so this is a Good Thing and probably by design. | Sep 28 21:44 |
| DaemonFC | Comcast says that one action they can take is to put messages into your web browser demanding you call an 800 number about the DMCA letters. | Sep 28 21:44 |
| DaemonFC | That definitely sounds like a MITM attack if ever there was one. | Sep 28 21:44 |
| *TweetTuxMachines got exception: Unexpected end of ZLIB input stream ; reconnecting to Twitter... | Sep 28 21:44 | |
| MinceR | if you access the site via https, it indeed is one | Sep 28 21:45 |
| MinceR | if it's plain http, then it's just ordinary dickery | Sep 28 21:45 |
| MinceR | https://imgur.com/gallery/BVWHi4m | Sep 28 21:47 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-You have arrived at a neutral post. - GIF on Imgur | Sep 28 21:47 | |
| MinceR | https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-8-HdyhC4g90/VTp8MMgZ7GI/AAAAAAAADT0/KYndQswmXE8/w800-h800/FozzTexx_2015-%25CE%2599%25CE%25B1%25CE%25BD-12.png | Sep 28 21:48 |
| DaemonFC | MinceR, PIA makes major donations to GNOME. | Sep 28 21:52 |
| DaemonFC | I doubt they'd intentionally break it. | Sep 28 21:52 |
| schestowitz | MinceR: don't get it | Sep 28 21:52 |
| schestowitz | hint? | Sep 28 21:53 |
| DaemonFC | https://lwn.net/Articles/735022/ | Sep 28 21:54 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Linux 4.13.4 [LWN.net] | Sep 28 21:54 | |
| MinceR | schestowitz: Field-Effect Transistors, Boba Fett (Star Wars) | Sep 28 21:55 |
| schestowitz | meh | Sep 28 21:58 |
| schestowitz | star wars references.. | Sep 28 21:58 |
| DaemonFC | schestowitz, The biggest problem with the new star wars movies is that they violate Joseph Campbell's story structure. | Sep 28 22:00 |
| DaemonFC | They're not meant to have a beginning, middle, and end. There will never be an end as long as they keep making money. | Sep 28 22:01 |
| MinceR | so what? there's plenty of good serial media | Sep 28 22:01 |
| MinceR | tv series, novel series, webcomics | Sep 28 22:02 |
| DaemonFC | MinceR, The problem was that the first three were mostly good, told a story, and concluded it. | Sep 28 22:02 |
| DaemonFC | The prequels were terrible. | Sep 28 22:02 |
| MinceR | afaik that story wasn't original either | Sep 28 22:02 |
| MinceR | the prequels built the world further nicely | Sep 28 22:02 |
| DaemonFC | MinceR, Then there was the "Ouch, right in the childhood!" Special Editions. | Sep 28 22:02 |
| MinceR | :> | Sep 28 22:03 |
| DaemonFC | Which loaded up the first three with garbage. | Sep 28 22:03 |
| MinceR | and there were at least 2 great CGI cartoon series | Sep 28 22:03 |
| MinceR | well, one of them is probably still ongoing | Sep 28 22:03 |
| DaemonFC | MinceR, There was the Lucas Museum. He thought Chicago was going to be dumb enough to pay for his vanity project and ruin a protected beachfront area for it. | Sep 28 22:04 |
| DaemonFC | https://cgit.freedesktop.org/dbus/dbus/tree/NEWS?h=master | Sep 28 22:06 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-cgit.freedesktop.org | dbus/dbus - a lightweight ipc mechanism | Sep 28 22:06 | |
| DaemonFC | dbus 1.11.18 is out and Fedora packages are built. | Sep 28 22:07 |
| DaemonFC | "LSB-style init scripts for Red Hat and Slackware, and a non-LSB init | Sep 28 22:08 |
| DaemonFC | script for Cygwin, are no longer provided in the upstream dbus | Sep 28 22:08 |
| DaemonFC | source. We recommend that distributors who support non-systemd service | Sep 28 22:08 |
| DaemonFC | management should maintain their own init scripts or other service | Sep 28 22:08 |
| DaemonFC | manager integration as part of their downstream packaging, similar to | Sep 28 22:08 |
| DaemonFC | the way Debian distributes a Debian-specific LSB init script for dbus." | Sep 28 22:08 |
| DaemonFC | MinceR, The init scripts are being deleted now. | Sep 28 22:08 |
| MinceR | have fun, then | Sep 28 22:08 |
| DaemonFC | systemd doesn't use them. | Sep 28 22:08 |
| DaemonFC | That's why. | Sep 28 22:08 |
| MinceR | duh | Sep 28 22:09 |
| DaemonFC | "The systemd unit continues to be maintained as part of the upstream | Sep 28 22:09 |
| DaemonFC | dbus source, because it receives regular testing and maintenance." | Sep 28 22:09 |
| DaemonFC | Pretty sure that Devuan and the BSDs test and maintain the init scripts. | Sep 28 22:09 |
| MinceR | ratcrap likes to ignore that | Sep 28 22:11 |
| MinceR | it's easier to destroy unix-style things if they keep telling people they're unmaintained | Sep 28 22:11 |
| MinceR | (regardless of how much they actually need to be changed) | Sep 28 22:11 |
| DaemonFC | Not normally. | Sep 28 22:14 |
| DaemonFC | brb | Sep 28 22:14 |
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| oiaohm | MinceR: The systemd unit continues to be maintained as part of the upstream dbus source, because it receives regular testing and maintenance. << read the line carefully. | Sep 28 22:26 |
| oiaohm | MinceR: if you check the git history on the LSB init scripts you can see that they are not maintained. | Sep 28 22:27 |
| MinceR | oiaohm: http://i0.kym-cdn.com/photos/images/original/000/794/653/02e.png | Sep 28 22:27 |
| oiaohm | MinceR: exactly the problem. | Sep 28 22:28 |
| oiaohm | No one has cared about upstream instead being doing stuff down stream and now upstream is going o well since that is not getting updates and fixes you must not care about that lets delete it. | Sep 28 22:29 |
| MinceR | doesn't matter | Sep 28 22:29 |
| MinceR | they have commit access | Sep 28 22:29 |
| MinceR | they want to delete it | Sep 28 22:29 |
| MinceR | therefore they delete it | Sep 28 22:29 |
| MinceR | if they see it necessary, they come up with some bullshit excuse | Sep 28 22:30 |
| MinceR | and you defend whatever excuse they come up with | Sep 28 22:30 |
| MinceR | i don't care. i'll keep using a free unix as long as i can, or until something better shows up. | Sep 28 22:30 |
| MinceR | lendows is not better. | Sep 28 22:30 |
| oiaohm | Interesting point debian and slackware developers have commit access | Sep 28 22:30 |
| MinceR | lendows is the short of crippled, user-hostile, user-patronizing crap i switched OS-es to get away from. | Sep 28 22:31 |
| MinceR | and no amount of bullshitting will change that | Sep 28 22:31 |
| oiaohm | Number of parties still using sysvinit have commit access to dbus repo | Sep 28 22:31 |
| oiaohm | MinceR: reality here is you want to call what I am saying is bullshit when its the real problem. | Sep 28 22:32 |
| *MinceR yawns | Sep 28 22:32 | |
| MinceR | you're going in circles | Sep 28 22:32 |
| MinceR | talk to the hand. | Sep 28 22:33 |
| oiaohm | MinceR: no you want to presume that all the actions are wrong. | Sep 28 22:33 |
| oiaohm | MinceR: that is not always the case. | Sep 28 22:33 |
| oiaohm | This case git history and list of people with commit access tells a very nasty story. | Sep 28 22:34 |
| MinceR | doesn't matter | Sep 28 22:34 |
| MinceR | they want me to run lendows. i don't want to run lendows. i control my pc. | Sep 28 22:34 |
| oiaohm | The nasty story explains a lot of the issues. | Sep 28 22:34 |
| MinceR | therefore i get what i want and they don't get what they want. | Sep 28 22:34 |
| MinceR | suck it up. | Sep 28 22:34 |
| oiaohm | So if the people working on what you use not submit stuff upstream and then upstream no longer works for you are you happy with that. | Sep 28 22:35 |
| MinceR | they don't get to break it for me | Sep 28 22:35 |
| MinceR | https://imgur.com/gallery/NtIygxV | Sep 28 22:37 |
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| oiaohm | In fact in time they do. | Sep 28 22:37 |
| oiaohm | MinceR: you think about it now not testing on sysvinit or like solutions means upstream can add more features dependent on items that don't exist in a system like that. | Sep 28 22:40 |
| MinceR | then they'll diverge their systemd/gnome/*kit bullshit from the stuff i use | Sep 28 22:40 |
| MinceR | i don't care | Sep 28 22:40 |
| MinceR | someone even found a less cancerous pdf reader for me to use | Sep 28 22:41 |
| MinceR | oiaohm: one way or another, the stuff redhat manages to make incompatible with unix will just become their own fork of what used to be GNU/Linux. | Sep 28 22:42 |
| oiaohm | Each vendors Unix was incompatible with each other so that is nothing new. | Sep 28 22:43 |
| oiaohm | MinceR: please do note that sysvinit was in fact incompatible with the proper Unix init https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Init | Sep 28 22:45 |
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| oiaohm | So forked off Unix ages ago. | Sep 28 22:45 |
| MinceR | oiaohm: please do note that i don't particularly care what my init/rc is, as long as it's not designed to lock me in, and isn't worse in its design than sysvinit. | Sep 28 22:45 |
| MinceR | i don't run services designed by idiots like poettering that throw orphans and zombies around as if generating those were their main purpose | Sep 28 22:46 |
| MinceR | so i don't particularly need an incomplete cgroups to babysit my system. | Sep 28 22:46 |
| oiaohm | MinceR: to be correct I would say that there is a possibility that generating orphans and zombies could have been a main purpose at some point. Requirement to demo cgroup v1 defects. | Sep 28 22:49 |
| oiaohm | MinceR: I do like the defect of the cgroup v1 PID namespace where zombies would end up stacked on what ever number happened to be assigned pid 1 in the namespace then never cleaned up. | Sep 28 22:50 |
| MinceR | cgroup v1 functionality does not belong in a production system | Sep 28 22:54 |
| MinceR | since cgroup v1 is far from finished | Sep 28 22:54 |
| oiaohm | cgroup v2 is a different matter. | Sep 28 22:54 |
| oiaohm | But we would not have cgroup v2 if cgroup v1 was not demo as broken. | Sep 28 22:55 |
| MinceR | if the only place kernel developers can demonstrate and test their code is other people's production environments, then most of us would be better off if those "kernel developers" did not develop any code ever again | Sep 28 22:56 |
| MinceR | kernel or otherwise | Sep 28 22:56 |
| oiaohm | MinceR: so fairly get rid of all the developers of the Linux kernel. | Sep 28 22:57 |
| MinceR | well, if they suck that hard at their jobs, then yes. | Sep 28 22:58 |
| MinceR | they have enough fools who willingly and knowingly run cancerd in production; let those fools test that crap. | Sep 28 22:58 |
| schestowitz | Speaking from experience, raking 10s of millions of hits in October HRC leaks, many comments seemed to come from operatives. No shock here. | Sep 28 22:58 |
| schestowitz | oops | Sep 28 22:58 |
| schestowitz | wrong paste | Sep 28 22:58 |
| schestowitz | this: https://www.theregister.co.uk/2017/07/17/linux_4_13_rc1/ | Sep 28 22:58 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.theregister.co.uk | Linus Torvalds may have damned systemd with faint praise • The Register | Sep 28 22:58 | |
| oiaohm | schestowitz: that post asks a good question as well. | Sep 28 23:00 |
| oiaohm | Most people don't check out the sysvinit source of the PID 1 of sysvinit to see that it has references to selinux library. | Sep 28 23:00 |
| oiaohm | So over trusting the init system goes back to the year 2000. | Sep 28 23:01 |
| MinceR | hey, someone made a mistake writing software in 1960! let's deliberately break all software now! | Sep 28 23:02 |
| MinceR | https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/b/b6/Scottish_wildcat_%26_kitten.jpg | Sep 28 23:04 |
| oiaohm | MinceR: unix init systems like the BSD init system was always independent to OS security settings. | Sep 28 23:05 |
| oiaohm | MinceR: its the year 2000 we see that idea go by by. | Sep 28 23:05 |
| MinceR | oiaohm: the alleged "init system" you spare no expenses to advertise here fares no better. | Sep 28 23:07 |
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| oiaohm | MinceR: systemd did not come out a vacuum. upstart using ptrace and it being a complete nightmare. | Sep 28 23:11 |
| oiaohm | Like it or not change need to happen. | Sep 28 23:11 |
| MinceR | actually it did come out of a vacuum | Sep 28 23:11 |
| MinceR | it came out of the vacuum in poettering's head where neurons should be | Sep 28 23:12 |
| MinceR | it also came out of the vacuum in poettering's education where software engineering basics should be | Sep 28 23:12 |
| oiaohm | Linux kernel millions of lines of code lot of that don't follow software engineering basics. | Sep 28 23:13 |
| MinceR | and yes, upstart had a horrible design, but at least it managed to stick to init/rc functionality | Sep 28 23:13 |
| MinceR | most kernels around aren't multiserver microkernels | Sep 28 23:13 |
| MinceR | and one of them is being sacrificed by its developers on the altar of systemd | Sep 28 23:13 |
| MinceR | and yes, most unix kernels aren't multiserver microkernels | Sep 28 23:13 |
| MinceR | if multiserver microkernels are feasible and practical at all, they're still fiendishly difficult | Sep 28 23:14 |
| MinceR | and exclude some options that may yet be useful | Sep 28 23:15 |
| oiaohm | qnx has really been on of the most successful microkernels. | Sep 28 23:16 |
| MinceR | it was bought by blackberry, which has apparently turned into a patent troll | Sep 28 23:17 |
| MinceR | not my definition of a success story, but to each his own, i guess | Sep 28 23:17 |
| MinceR | (and their pc demo floppy was hilariously broken) | Sep 28 23:18 |
| MinceR | > Later versions of QNX reduce the number of separate processes and integrate the network stack and other function blocks into single applications for performance reasons. | Sep 28 23:19 |
| MinceR | not much of a multiserver system | Sep 28 23:19 |
| MinceR | https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/QNX | Sep 28 23:19 |
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| MinceR | this is no HURD. | Sep 28 23:19 |
| cubexyz | is anyone here running HURD? | Sep 28 23:21 |
| MinceR | i mean, the HURD that was before they joined the cult of cancerd. | Sep 28 23:22 |
| MinceR | where they're going is going to be less robust than any unix system built on a monolithic kernel. | Sep 28 23:22 |
| MinceR | (even theoretically) | Sep 28 23:23 |
| cubexyz | ok, vector linux has it's own way of showing running services | Sep 28 23:25 |
| cubexyz | both in FC1 and vector there is a bash script that does it, pretty straightforward | Sep 28 23:26 |
| cubexyz | two different bash scripts though | Sep 28 23:26 |
| oiaohm | MinceR: for the most functional open source micro-kernel you don't go past Minix. HURD has a stupid idea of do everything to avoid crashing. | Sep 28 23:31 |
| oiaohm | MinceR: please note HURD had that stupid idea of do everything to avoid crashing from the first alpha. | Sep 28 23:32 |
| oiaohm | https://www.gnu.org/software/hurd/hurd-talk.html "the rest of the system is replaceable dynamically."<< That bit is what has made HURD a nightmare. | Sep 28 23:35 |
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| oiaohm | Most of the fast developing microkernels do have that if particular services crash take the complete OS down and restart. To take advantage of the microkernel design to log it well. | Sep 28 23:36 |
| oiaohm | cubexyz: I have tried to run HURD over the years and given up on it every single time. | Sep 28 23:39 |
| cubexyz | oiaohm, what was the problem? | Sep 28 23:40 |
| oiaohm | cubexyz: like a core service has a issue it crash and the microkernel core restarts it only to have it crash again. | Sep 28 23:41 |
| oiaohm | cubexyz: so Hurd you end up with nice never ending crash loops. | Sep 28 23:42 |
| oiaohm | cubexyz: then trying to work out where the problem started comes a complete nightmare. | Sep 28 23:42 |
| oiaohm | cubexyz: sometimes you just want the OS to die. | Sep 28 23:42 |
| cubexyz | yeah I can't think of anyone who uses HURD | Sep 28 23:45 |
| oiaohm | cubexyz: HURD problem is it too resistant to failure for it own good then it gets in the way of attempting to diagnose the problem. | Sep 28 23:46 |
| oiaohm | cubexyz: minux 3 and qnx are both sane past particular point of fialure they just cleanly admit defeat and fail. | Sep 28 23:46 |
| oiaohm | For most engineered micro-kernel that would go to sel4 but it does not have a proper made service set. | Sep 28 23:47 |
| cubexyz | evidently the whole rc.d script thing is a sysv thing | Sep 28 23:48 |
| oiaohm | rc.d thing predates sysv init | Sep 28 23:48 |
| cubexyz | so we still have the sysv/bsd schism | Sep 28 23:48 |
| oiaohm | Yep | Sep 28 23:49 |
| cubexyz | but then freebsd has rc.d and openbsd doesn't, it's confusing | Sep 28 23:49 |
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| cubexyz | let me check quasijarus... | Sep 28 23:50 |
| cubexyz | and netbsd has it too | Sep 28 23:51 |
| oiaohm | http://aplawrence.com/Basics/unix-startup-scripts-2.html a BSD init that is based off first generation unix init. are many times cleaner than sysvinit scripts. | Sep 28 23:52 |
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| cubexyz | ok, quasijarus (4.3BSD) does not have rc.d | Sep 28 23:53 |
| oiaohm | I would guess it would have a rc instead. | Sep 28 23:54 |
| cubexyz | in fact it's not in bell labs unix either | Sep 28 23:55 |
| oiaohm | Really what bsd had done to there init system it would not be very much of a step to nuke shell script out the process. | Sep 28 23:55 |
| cubexyz | so maybe it's a system III thing? | Sep 28 23:56 |
| oiaohm | I could not give you were it appears. | Sep 28 23:56 |
| oiaohm | The reality is bsd branch has always been cleaner and shorter init files than the sysvinit init files. | Sep 28 23:57 |
| cubexyz | /etc/rc runs netstart and syslogd and a bunch of other things | Sep 28 23:57 |
| oiaohm | I never could work out why sysvinit made it way into Linux so much. It was never a good system. | Sep 28 23:57 |
| cubexyz | then at the end it runs /etc/rc.local | Sep 28 23:58 |
| cubexyz | and /etc/rc.d is not in system III | Sep 28 23:59 |
| cubexyz | people are imitative... | Sep 29 00:00 |
| cubexyz | they copy what they see, at least initially | Sep 29 00:00 |
| oiaohm | BSD init was the first to start using dependency tags inside the init files. | Sep 29 00:01 |
| oiaohm | Instead having to name file names correct and pray. | Sep 29 00:01 |
| oiaohm | I see no reason for sysvinit to stay alive. | Sep 29 00:01 |
| cubexyz | ok, no /etc/rc.d in sysv for PDP-11 | Sep 29 00:03 |
| cubexyz | so the mystery deepens | Sep 29 00:03 |
| oiaohm | cubexyz: its noted in the wikipedia that /etc/rc.d appears in bsd like with the introduction of rcorder in netbsd 1.5 that is year 2000. | Sep 29 00:06 |
| cubexyz | so it's a pretty modern development | Sep 29 00:06 |
| oiaohm | But it was in sysvinit before that. | Sep 29 00:07 |
| oiaohm | sysvinit depends on you naming your init files so they start in the right order. | Sep 29 00:07 |
| oiaohm | cubexyz: note in sysvinit as /etc/rc[num].d that does not appear on netbsd side as first. | Sep 29 00:08 |
| oiaohm | cubexyz: I would say that bsd looked at sysvinit and then design improve version. | Sep 29 00:09 |
| cubexyz | runlevels are a sysv thing | Sep 29 00:11 |
| cubexyz | so system v release 3 and after | Sep 29 00:12 |
| oiaohm | horrible mess of shell in init script due to poor template system is another sysv thing. | Sep 29 00:13 |
| cubexyz | all the corporations used sysv though | Sep 29 00:14 |
| cubexyz | IBM AIX, HP-UX and even solaris | Sep 29 00:15 |
| oiaohm | And all of them have been migrating off of it. | Sep 29 00:15 |
| cubexyz | I don't think there's anything really wrong with it | Sep 29 00:17 |
| cubexyz | as long as the sysadmin maintains it well | Sep 29 00:17 |
| oiaohm | Really its the 1 typo to stuffed problem | Sep 29 00:18 |
| cubexyz | you can argue sockets vs streams, and BSD tty vs sysv termio | Sep 29 00:19 |
| cubexyz | but really it's not that important | Sep 29 00:19 |
| oiaohm | cubexyz: sysadmin having to remember that X program comes before Y and type the right number as sysvinit requires becomes a problem source. | Sep 29 00:20 |
| oiaohm | cubexyz: and its avoid that has been why SMF in solaris and reorder in netbsd .... have been appearing. | Sep 29 00:20 |
| cubexyz | sure, it's a bit painful learning both sysv and bsd, but it's not that hard | Sep 29 00:21 |
| oiaohm | cubexyz: of course then remember admin looking after many sysv machines and having to cope with different service numbering on each. | Sep 29 00:22 |
| oiaohm | cubexyz: with dependency based ordering as netbsd demoed work the sysv init number system is just picking on the admin without really any good justification. | Sep 29 00:23 |
| cubexyz | in the old days there was NCR Unix, Xenix, and tons of other things | Sep 29 00:23 |
| oiaohm | Yes over time it has improved. | Sep 29 00:23 |
| cubexyz | so there was never one big unified Unix | Sep 29 00:23 |
| oiaohm | we got stuck in a rut with sysv init. | Sep 29 00:24 |
| cubexyz | IBM probably thinks AIX is the best way to do things | Sep 29 00:27 |
| cubexyz | but I have to say, I like how NetBSD tries hard to support older hardware | Sep 29 00:27 |
| cubexyz | but I got used to the FC1 way of running a server | Sep 29 00:28 |
| cubexyz | doesn't mean I'll always use it | Sep 29 00:28 |
| cubexyz | QNX used some NetBSD code | Sep 29 00:30 |
| cubexyz | so if you had some ancient 68K box, you could still use NetBSD on it | Sep 29 00:30 |
| cubexyz | Linux was generally the better desktop OS | Sep 29 00:33 |
| cubexyz | but if I was to do it all over again I'd probably run the server on openbsd | Sep 29 00:33 |
| cubexyz | text mode, no X11 | Sep 29 00:39 |
| cubexyz | there, then I'm not using sysv... | Sep 29 00:40 |
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| *TweetTuxMachines @tuxmachines favourited retweet 'RT @schestowitz: @JulianAssange So much for self determination,...' | Sep 29 01:23 | |
| *TweetTuxMachines @tuxmachines favourited '@JulianAssange So much for self determination, only when...' | Sep 29 01:23 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Links 29/9/2017: Krita 3.3.0, Tails 3.2, Amos Yee is Free | Techrights | Sep 29 01:23 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines https://twitter.com/tuxmachines/status/913559713954062336 | Sep 29 01:25 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Software: #Firefox 56, #Python, and #MySQL 8 Release | Sep 29 01:25 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Candidate https://t.co/gGQJ9MB8Rm (www.tuxmachines.org) | Sep 29 01:25 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Software: Firefox 56, Python, and MySQL 8 Release Candidate | Tux Machines | Sep 29 01:25 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | Sep 29 01:25 | |
| *TweetTuxMachines @schestowitz retweeted @tuxmachines: 'Software: #Firefox 56, #Python, and #MySQL 8 Release...' | Sep 29 01:30 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/913561527441084417 | Sep 29 01:34 |
| TweetTuxMachines | retweeted by #Games: #SupergiantsPyre. #AlbionOnline and #Tizen Games | Sep 29 01:34 |
| TweetTuxMachines | @schestowitz https://t.co/9dcRLZLoRo (www.tuxmachines.org) #gnu #linux | Sep 29 01:34 |
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| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/913562559457976320 | Sep 29 01:36 |
| TweetTuxMachines | retweeted by Ubuntu: #Ubuntu Drops 32-bit, Comes to #Samsung #ARTIK | Sep 29 01:36 |
| TweetTuxMachines | @schestowitz Gateway, Turned Into #System76 's #PopOS Beta | Sep 29 01:36 |
| TweetTuxMachines | https://t.co/SKNEP68zWn (www.tuxmachines.org) | Sep 29 01:36 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Ubuntu: Ubuntu Drops 32-bit, Comes to Samsung ARTIK Gateway, Turned Into System76's Pop!_OS Beta | Tux Machines | Sep 29 01:36 | |
| *TweetTuxMachines @tuxmachines favourited retweet 'RT @schestowitz: @JulianAssange They have a lot in...' | Sep 29 01:36 | |
| *TweetTuxMachines @tuxmachines favourited '@JulianAssange They have a lot in common ...' | Sep 29 01:38 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/913563486281719811 | Sep 29 01:45 |
| TweetTuxMachines | retweeted by today's howtos | Sep 29 01:45 |
| TweetTuxMachines | @schestowitz https://t.co/7DAqYZtKDX (www.tuxmachines.org) #howto | Sep 29 01:45 |
| TweetTuxMachines | #unix #gnu #linux | Sep 29 01:45 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | today's howtos | Tux Machines | Sep 29 01:45 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/913565234996109313 | Sep 29 01:46 |
| TweetTuxMachines | retweeted by #Linux 4.13.4, 4.9.52, 4.4.89, and 3.18.72 | Sep 29 01:46 |
| TweetTuxMachines | @schestowitz https://t.co/Y7k8wgzbqX (www.tuxmachines.org) #kernel | Sep 29 01:46 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Linux 4.13.4, 4.9.52, 4.4.89, and 3.18.72 | Tux Machines | Sep 29 01:46 | |
| cubexyz | oiaohm, evidently NetBSD uses 64-bit time_t for 32-bit architectures | Sep 29 01:53 |
| cubexyz | so the solution seems to just upgrade to newer NetBSD in that case | Sep 29 01:54 |
| cubexyz | since NetBSD 6.0 was released in 2012 | Sep 29 01:54 |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/913567145925251072 | Sep 29 01:55 |
| TweetTuxMachines | retweeted by #Servers, #RedHat, and #SUSE | Sep 29 01:55 |
| TweetTuxMachines | @schestowitz https://t.co/1WRmZWOuNi (www.tuxmachines.org) #gnu #linux | Sep 29 01:55 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Servers, Red Hat, and SUSE | Tux Machines | Sep 29 01:55 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/913567887490736128 | Sep 29 01:58 |
| TweetTuxMachines | retweeted by OSS: #NSF, #Oath, #Vespa and More | Sep 29 01:58 |
| TweetTuxMachines | @schestowitz https://t.co/0S5bpntOFM (www.tuxmachines.org) | Sep 29 01:58 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | OSS: NSF, Oath, Vespa and More | Tux Machines | Sep 29 01:58 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/913568384595451904 | Sep 29 01:59 |
| TweetTuxMachines | retweeted by #Security: Updates or Patches | Sep 29 01:59 |
| TweetTuxMachines | @schestowitz https://t.co/a8gLIvlwFC (www.tuxmachines.org) | Sep 29 01:59 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Security: Updates or Patches | Tux Machines | Sep 29 01:59 | |
| oiaohm | cubexyz: Linux kernel 32 bit mode is still 32 time_t yes for older hardware I am looking at the BSD for 32 bit becaue lock will work right after 2038. The x32 ABI in the Linux kernel has 64 bit time_t but requires a 64 bit processor. | Sep 29 02:12 |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/913568892299210754 | Sep 29 02:46 |
| TweetTuxMachines | retweeted by #Tails 3.2 is out | Sep 29 02:46 |
| TweetTuxMachines | @schestowitz https://t.co/D1E8K50dUy (tails.boum.org) #tor #gnu #linux | Sep 29 02:46 |
| TweetTuxMachines | #debian | Sep 29 02:46 |
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| *Topic for #techrights set by schestowitz!~schestowi@unaffiliated/schestowitz at Sat Jun 9 18:16:19 2012 | Sep 29 09:47 | |
| XRevan86 | They practically voted "yes" | Sep 29 09:48 |
| XRevan86 | Good job %) | Sep 29 09:48 |
| XRevan86 | What's with the informal "yea" and "nay"? :) | Sep 29 09:51 |
| cubexyz | it's more of an archaic form | Sep 29 09:55 |
| cubexyz | just tradition | Sep 29 09:55 |
| XRevan86 | > In Early Modern English, nay was used to respond to a positive question, while no was used to respond to a negative question. Over time, this distinction disappeared. | Sep 29 09:57 |
| XRevan86 | Oh, I see. | Sep 29 09:57 |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines https://twitter.com/tuxmachines/status/913688772428140544 | Sep 29 10:02 |
| TweetTuxMachines | #LibreOffice 5 review: The open source office alternative | Sep 29 10:02 |
| TweetTuxMachines | https://t.co/tnOjFlkpDW (www.tuxmachines.org) #odf #tdf | Sep 29 10:02 |
| TweetTuxMachines | #opendocument #freesw #freedom #sharing | Sep 29 10:02 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Sep 29 10:02 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Libre Office 5 review: The open source office alternative | Tux Machines | Sep 29 10:03 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines https://twitter.com/tuxmachines/status/913690424321171456 | Sep 29 10:03 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Ubuntu: *Ubuntu 17.10 Beta 2, 32-Bit, ARTIK, and IoT | Sep 29 10:03 |
| TweetTuxMachines | modules | Sep 29 10:03 |
| TweetTuxMachines | https://t.co/VIBYYcQC1D (www.tuxmachines.org) #ubuntu | Sep 29 10:03 |
| TweetTuxMachines | #gnu #linux #canonical #artik | Sep 29 10:03 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Ubuntu: *Ubuntu 17.10 Beta 2, 32-Bit, ARTIK, and IoT modules | Tux Machines | Sep 29 10:03 | |
| *TweetTuxMachines @schestowitz retweeted @tuxmachines: '#LibreOffice 5 review: The open source office alternative...' | Sep 29 10:08 | |
| *TweetTuxMachines @schestowitz retweeted @tuxmachines: 'Ubuntu: *Ubuntu 17.10 Beta 2, 32-Bit, ARTIK, and...' | Sep 29 10:10 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @schestowitz https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/913692330644865024 | Sep 29 10:15 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Well, @tuxmachines continues to be #shadowbanned by | Sep 29 10:15 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Sep 29 10:15 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | Been about a week | Sep 29 10:15 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Most people don't understand #shadowbans | Sep 29 10:15 |
| TweetTuxMachines | So pretend no probs | Sep 29 10:15 |
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| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines https://twitter.com/tuxmachines/status/913693618132717569 | Sep 29 10:16 |
| TweetTuxMachines | #SparkyLinux 5.1 "Nibiru" OS Released, It's Based on | Sep 29 10:16 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Debian GNU/Linux 10 "Buster" | Sep 29 10:16 |
| TweetTuxMachines | https://t.co/0Psld3AbDd (www.tuxmachines.org) #debian | Sep 29 10:16 |
| TweetTuxMachines | #gnu #linux | Sep 29 10:16 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | SparkyLinux 5.1 "Nibiru" OS Released, It's Based on Debian GNU/Linux 10 "Buster" | Tux Machines | Sep 29 10:16 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines https://twitter.com/tuxmachines/status/913694018634178563 | Sep 29 10:20 |
| TweetTuxMachines | System76's Pop!_OS Now in Beta | Sep 29 10:20 |
| TweetTuxMachines | https://t.co/EfrAOuzuk5 (www.tuxmachines.org) | Sep 29 10:20 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | System76's Pop!_OS Now in Beta | Tux Machines | Sep 29 10:20 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | #System76 #popos #gnu #linux | Sep 29 10:20 |
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| *TweetTuxMachines @schestowitz retweeted @tuxmachines: '#SparkyLinux 5.1 "Nibiru" OS Released, It's Based on...' | Sep 29 10:24 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/913695989566865408 | Sep 29 11:17 |
| TweetTuxMachines | retweeted by System76's Pop!_OS Now in Beta | Sep 29 11:17 |
| TweetTuxMachines | @schestowitz https://t.co/EfrAOuzuk5 (www.tuxmachines.org) | Sep 29 11:17 |
| TweetTuxMachines | #System76 #popos #gnu #linux | Sep 29 11:17 |
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| *TweetTuxMachines @tuxmachines favourited '@wikileaks One example among several from so-called 'Conservative'...' | Sep 29 11:17 | |
| *TweetTuxMachines @tuxmachines favourited retweet 'RT @schestowitz: @wikileaks I found and collated about...' | Sep 29 11:17 | |
| *TweetTuxMachines @tuxmachines favourited '@wikileaks I found and collated about 15 MSM...' | Sep 29 11:17 | |
| *TweetTuxMachines @tuxmachines favourited '@wikileaks The media is intentionally deflecting, focusing on...' | Sep 29 11:17 | |
| *TweetTuxMachines @tuxmachines favourited retweet 'RT @schestowitz: @wikileaks The media is intentionally deflecting,...' | Sep 29 11:18 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines https://twitter.com/tuxmachines/status/913709500401668097 | Sep 29 11:23 |
| TweetTuxMachines | #Firefox 57 Benchmarks and Privacy | Sep 29 11:23 |
| TweetTuxMachines | https://t.co/mIoJTJSz48 (www.tuxmachines.org) #mozilla | Sep 29 11:23 |
| TweetTuxMachines | #freesw #www | Sep 29 11:23 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Firefox 57 Benchmarks and Privacy | Tux Machines | Sep 29 11:23 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines https://twitter.com/tuxmachines/status/913710673485602817 | Sep 29 11:26 |
| TweetTuxMachines | #Programming: #FreeBSD, 'Outraged' Programmers, and Kid | Sep 29 11:26 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Programmers | Sep 29 11:26 |
| TweetTuxMachines | https://t.co/IhkPGOeii6 (www.tuxmachines.org) | Sep 29 11:26 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Programming: FreeBSD, 'Outraged' Programmers, and Kid Programmers | Tux Machines | Sep 29 11:26 | |
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| *TweetTuxMachines @schestowitz retweeted @tuxmachines: '#Firefox 57 Benchmarks and Privacy https://t.co/mIoJTJSz48 #mozilla ...' | Sep 29 11:32 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/913712966637359106 | Sep 29 11:56 |
| TweetTuxMachines | retweeted by #Programming: #FreeBSD, 'Outraged' Programmers, and Kid | Sep 29 11:56 |
| TweetTuxMachines | @schestowitz Programmers | Sep 29 11:56 |
| TweetTuxMachines | https://t.co/IhkPGOeii6 (www.tuxmachines.org) | Sep 29 11:56 |
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| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines https://twitter.com/tuxmachines/status/913719173775331328 | Sep 29 11:59 |
| TweetTuxMachines | #Lobbying Campaign Blamed Elizabeth Warren For 'Socialist | Sep 29 11:59 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Plot' She Had Nothing To Do With | Sep 29 11:59 |
| TweetTuxMachines | https://t.co/qv5jB7Yitx (www.tuxmachines.org) | Sep 29 11:59 |
| TweetTuxMachines | #oracle attacks #freesw | Sep 29 11:59 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Sep 29 11:59 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Stealth Lobbying Campaign Blamed Elizabeth Warren For 'Socialist Plot' She Had Nothing To Do With | Tux Machines | Sep 29 11:59 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines https://twitter.com/tuxmachines/status/913719712147701760 | Sep 29 12:04 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Qt/KDE: #Qt World Summit, #GammaRay, #Kdenlive, and | Sep 29 12:04 |
| TweetTuxMachines | #Krita | Sep 29 12:04 |
| TweetTuxMachines | https://t.co/389D84FFk2 (www.tuxmachines.org) #kde #gnu | Sep 29 12:04 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Qt/KDE: Qt World Summit, GammaRay, Kdenlive, and Krita | Tux Machines | Sep 29 12:04 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | #linux | Sep 29 12:04 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Sep 29 12:04 | |
| *TweetTuxMachines @schestowitz retweeted @tuxmachines: 'Qt/KDE: #Qt World Summit, #GammaRay, #Kdenlive, and #Krita...' | Sep 29 12:08 | |
| MarkBilk | "Stealth Lobbying Campaign Blamed Elizabeth Warren For 'Socialist Plot' She Had Nothing To Do With" -- Fascism is really getting worse in the U.S. Socialism is automatically considered evil! | Sep 29 12:16 |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/913722175768727558 | Sep 29 12:23 |
| TweetTuxMachines | retweeted by #Lobbying Campaign Blamed Elizabeth Warren For 'Socialist | Sep 29 12:23 |
| TweetTuxMachines | @schestowitz Plot' She Had Nothing To Do With | Sep 29 12:23 |
| TweetTuxMachines | https://t.co/qv5jB7Yitx (www.tuxmachines.org) | Sep 29 12:23 |
| TweetTuxMachines | #oracle attacks #freesw | Sep 29 12:23 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Sep 29 12:23 | |
| *TweetTuxMachines @tuxmachines favourited retweet 'RT @schestowitz: @potusonthepot @realDonaldTrump But the MAGA loons...' | Sep 29 12:23 | |
| *TweetTuxMachines @tuxmachines favourited '@potusonthepot @realDonaldTrump But the MAGA loons refuse to...' | Sep 29 12:23 | |
| *TweetTuxMachines @tuxmachines favourited '@potusonthepot @realDonaldTrump And KKK apologists as AGs (!!)...' | Sep 29 12:23 | |
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| *TweetTuxMachines @tuxmachines favourited '@potusonthepot @realDonaldTrump More chauvinism https://t.co/CuF7RKV1lc' | Sep 29 12:23 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz: @potusonthepot @realDonaldTrump More chauvinism https://t.co/CuF7RKV1lc | Sep 29 12:23 | |
| *TweetTuxMachines @tuxmachines favourited retweet 'RT @schestowitz: @potusonthepot @realDonaldTrump More chauvinism https://t.co/CuF7RKV1lc' | Sep 29 12:23 | |
| *TweetTuxMachines @tuxmachines favourited '@potusonthepot @realDonaldTrump He's paving the way for more...' | Sep 29 12:23 | |
| *TweetTuxMachines @tuxmachines favourited retweet 'RT @schestowitz: @potusonthepot @realDonaldTrump He's paving the way...' | Sep 29 12:23 | |
| *TweetTuxMachines @tuxmachines favourited '@potusonthepot @realDonaldTrump Even if the president can't spell,...' | Sep 29 12:23 | |
| *TweetTuxMachines @tuxmachines favourited retweet 'RT @schestowitz: @potusonthepot @realDonaldTrump Even if the president...' | Sep 29 12:23 | |
| *TweetTuxMachines @tuxmachines favourited '@potusonthepot @realDonaldTrump Facts about healthcare don't matter, only...' | Sep 29 12:23 | |
| *TweetTuxMachines @tuxmachines favourited retweet 'RT @schestowitz: @potusonthepot @realDonaldTrump Facts about healthcare don't...' | Sep 29 12:23 | |
| *TweetTuxMachines @tuxmachines favourited '@potusonthepot @realDonaldTrump Facts don't matter anymore. Just jingoistic...' | Sep 29 12:23 | |
| *TweetTuxMachines @tuxmachines favourited retweet 'RT @schestowitz: @potusonthepot @realDonaldTrump Facts don't matter anymore....' | Sep 29 12:23 | |
| *TweetTuxMachines @tuxmachines favourited '@potusonthepot @realDonaldTrump Even this week he is still...' | Sep 29 12:23 | |
| *TweetTuxMachines @tuxmachines favourited retweet 'RT @schestowitz: @potusonthepot @realDonaldTrump Even this week he...' | Sep 29 12:23 | |
| *TweetTuxMachines @tuxmachines favourited '@potusonthepot @realDonaldTrump That one was a killer https://t.co/FNMIqdVvJ5' | Sep 29 12:23 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz: @potusonthepot @realDonaldTrump That one was a killer https://t.co/FNMIqdVvJ5 | Sep 29 12:23 | |
| *TweetTuxMachines @tuxmachines favourited retweet 'RT @schestowitz: @potusonthepot @realDonaldTrump That one was a...' | Sep 29 12:24 | |
| *TweetTuxMachines @tuxmachines favourited retweet 'RT @schestowitz: @jeremycorbyn The #UK press is already...' | Sep 29 12:24 | |
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| schestowitz | [12:16] <MarkBilk> "Stealth Lobbying Campaign Blamed Elizabeth Warren For 'Socialist Plot' She Had Nothing To Do With" -- Fascism is really getting worse in the U.S. Socialism is automatically considered evil! | Sep 29 12:28 |
| schestowitz | As a political rool | Sep 29 12:29 |
| schestowitz | for commercial gain | Sep 29 12:29 |
| schestowitz | MS did this too | Sep 29 12:29 |
| schestowitz | In brazil, versus odf | Sep 29 12:29 |
| *TweetTuxMachines @tuxmachines favourited '@jeremycorbyn The #UK press is already ignoring the...' | Sep 29 12:53 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines https://twitter.com/tuxmachines/status/913733370424721408 | Sep 29 12:54 |
| TweetTuxMachines | #Android Leftovers https://t.co/m9DYD6uH3T | Sep 29 12:54 |
| TweetTuxMachines | (www.tuxmachines.org) #google #linux | Sep 29 12:54 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Android Leftovers | Tux Machines | Sep 29 12:54 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines https://twitter.com/tuxmachines/status/913733564302229504 | Sep 29 13:00 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Add-on brings the Raspberry Pi into the sub-1GHz RF world | Sep 29 13:00 |
| TweetTuxMachines | https://t.co/VAAAFf4ab6 (www.tuxmachines.org) #linux | Sep 29 13:00 |
| TweetTuxMachines | #raspi | Sep 29 13:00 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Add-on brings the Raspberry Pi into the sub-1GHz RF world | Tux Machines | Sep 29 13:00 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines https://twitter.com/tuxmachines/status/913735261242232833 | Sep 29 13:02 |
| TweetTuxMachines | #Games: #UnrealEngine, #Atari, #TwineCookbook, | Sep 29 13:02 |
| TweetTuxMachines | #RocketLeague, #BallisticOverkill | Sep 29 13:02 |
| TweetTuxMachines | https://t.co/tQ2nuRsryz (www.tuxmachines.org) #gnu | Sep 29 13:02 |
| TweetTuxMachines | #linux | Sep 29 13:02 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Games: Unreal Engine, Atari, Twine Cookbook, Rocket League, Ballistic Overkill | Tux Machines | Sep 29 13:02 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines https://twitter.com/tuxmachines/status/913735741200637952 | Sep 29 13:09 |
| TweetTuxMachines | #Maxta, #DHFL, #RedHat, and #SAP | Sep 29 13:09 |
| TweetTuxMachines | https://t.co/dInhbMDfuZ (www.tuxmachines.org) #gnu #linux | Sep 29 13:09 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Maxta, DHFL, Red Hat, and SAP | Tux Machines | Sep 29 13:09 | |
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| *TweetTuxMachines @tuxmachines favourited retweet 'RT @schestowitz: @wikileaks Locals can 'outsources' the footage...' | Sep 29 13:09 | |
| *TweetTuxMachines @tuxmachines favourited '@wikileaks Locals can 'outsources' the footage to media...' | Sep 29 13:09 | |
| *TweetTuxMachines @tuxmachines favourited '@wikileaks Recall https://t.co/2CKqlWGF9C and the PD is now...' | Sep 29 13:09 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.npr.org | Calling Nurse A 'Hero,' Utah Hospital Bars Police From Patient-Care Areas : The Two-Way : NPR | Sep 29 13:09 | |
| *TweetTuxMachines @tuxmachines favourited retweet 'RT @schestowitz: @wikileaks Recall https://t.co/2CKqlWGF9C and the PD...' | Sep 29 13:09 | |
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| DaemonFC | But the public was onto them because of their years of abuse of the DMCA. | Sep 29 20:36 |
| DaemonFC | It's bad enough that we still have that. | Sep 29 20:37 |
| DaemonFC | MinceR, They're turning the web from a public asset into a corporate pipeline for DRM-encumbered crap that takes 150 times as much CPU power as playing an MP3 to listen to a song on Spotify. | Sep 29 20:39 |
| MinceR | yup | Sep 29 20:39 |
| MinceR | though you won't get MP3, as the patents are expired | Sep 29 20:39 |
| DaemonFC | They use Vorbis and Debian. | Sep 29 20:39 |
| MinceR | the corporate juggernaut will enforce a move to something that's further encrusted | Sep 29 20:39 |
| DaemonFC | It helps them oppress you, ironically. | Sep 29 20:40 |
| DaemonFC | Widevine can wrap anything that uses HTML 5. | Sep 29 20:40 |
| schestowitz | MinceR: took it her/himself | Sep 29 20:45 |
| schestowitz | then uploaded it | Sep 29 20:45 |
| schestowitz | so maybe staged | Sep 29 20:45 |
| MinceR | still funny | Sep 29 20:46 |
| DaemonFC | I wonder why the courts haven't been angry about this. | Sep 29 20:47 |
| DaemonFC | Think about it. These companies get in the swarm and distribute the material they're complaining about. | Sep 29 20:47 |
| DaemonFC | How can they sue you over something they handed you? | Sep 29 20:47 |
| MinceR | by employing a legal system that is itself a bad joke | Sep 29 20:48 |
| DaemonFC | MinceR, I've considered going to the Chicago library and doing torrents on their network. | Sep 29 20:48 |
| MinceR | the social contract is a scam. | Sep 29 20:48 |
| DaemonFC | I'm certain it's blocked, but they can't tell what I'm using if I connect to VPN. | Sep 29 20:48 |
| DaemonFC | Only that it's a lot of data. | Sep 29 20:49 |
| MinceR | :) | Sep 29 20:49 |
| DaemonFC | That way if you get unmasked it doesn't matter. They go after the government in a government court and claim that someone at the library infringed copyright and it's the government's fault. | Sep 29 20:50 |
| DaemonFC | That would be funny as all hell. | Sep 29 20:50 |
| DaemonFC | I mean, under the established "logic" that if anyone uses your internet, it makes you guilty of whatever they did with it... | Sep 29 20:50 |
| DaemonFC | We don't do that with anything else. | Sep 29 20:51 |
| DaemonFC | If your gun is stolen and someone gets murdered with it, it's not you in court for murder. | Sep 29 20:51 |
| DaemonFC | If someone steals your car and crashes it into someone else's car, it's not your fault. | Sep 29 20:51 |
| MinceR | it would also be funny to have police waiting at the library, checking network traffic volume | Sep 29 20:52 |
| DaemonFC | If it's plausible that someone was using your internet connection in a way you did not approve of, the copyright lawsuit should be tossed. | Sep 29 20:52 |
| MinceR | ready to spring at a suspicious library visitor | Sep 29 20:52 |
| MinceR | > should | Sep 29 20:52 |
| MinceR | in today's corrupt, authoritarian human society, that means less that nothing | Sep 29 20:52 |
| DaemonFC | MinceR, Go to different branches, I guess. | Sep 29 20:52 |
| DaemonFC | Shake it up. | Sep 29 20:52 |
| MinceR | collect the few humans who still have a functioning brain, build a robot army and wipe out the rest of the human species | Sep 29 20:53 |
| DaemonFC | If it's always at the same branch every day around the same time, they might start looking for you there. | Sep 29 20:53 |
| DaemonFC | If you go to different branches on different days at different times and download a bunch of shit and then leave, it makes it much harder. | Sep 29 20:53 |
| DaemonFC | MinceR, But why stop at the library? | Sep 29 20:54 |
| DaemonFC | McDonalds and Starbucks have free wifi too! | Sep 29 20:54 |
| MinceR | :) | Sep 29 20:54 |
| DaemonFC | MinceR, Basically, as long as you use the VPN on public wifi and shake things up, they should never find you. | Sep 29 20:55 |
| MinceR | http://content.leenks.com/pics/2017/random407/random-8.jpg | Sep 29 20:56 |
| DaemonFC | Torrenting in the clear is now too dangerous. | Sep 29 20:57 |
| DaemonFC | There's a 50/50 chance that what you download is being monitored by a copyright troll and they'll send a complaint to your ISP. | Sep 29 20:57 |
| DaemonFC | And while the chances of being sued in federal court are about 1 in tens of thousands, why risk it? | Sep 29 20:58 |
| DaemonFC | The guy that used to work for Comcast's Network Security department said they got swamped with DMCA complaints, but he only recalls two subpoenas. | Sep 29 20:58 |
| DaemonFC | The RIAA lawsuits kind of turned them off to individually suing people. It's very expensive and they file bankruptcy immediately after they lose. | Sep 29 20:59 |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines https://twitter.com/tuxmachines/status/913855551066566657 | Sep 29 20:59 |
| TweetTuxMachines | #Librem 5 Leads New Wave of Open Source Mobile Linux | Sep 29 20:59 |
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| DaemonFC | Also, the copyright trolls tried to establish that they could sue multiple people at once in a single court. | Sep 29 21:00 |
| DaemonFC | And it was ruled that they had to do it individually in a federal court in the state in which you reside. | Sep 29 21:00 |
| DaemonFC | MinceR, So unless they get a new law from Congress that lets them batch up the lawsuits against multiple defendants and then go judge shopping to turn a court room into a file sharing lawsuit assembly line, they have a strong incentive to simply try to call your bluff. | Sep 29 21:01 |
| DaemonFC | "Hey, give us $30 a file and we'll go away.". | Sep 29 21:01 |
| DaemonFC | But when you pay kidnappers, terrorists, and hostage takers, they DON'T go away. | Sep 29 21:01 |
| DaemonFC | They come back and want more. | Sep 29 21:01 |
| MinceR | disgusting | Sep 29 21:02 |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines https://twitter.com/tuxmachines/status/913855814116536322 | Sep 29 21:10 |
| TweetTuxMachines | #ZorinOS Is a Great Linux Desktop For Any User | Sep 29 21:10 |
| TweetTuxMachines | https://t.co/h3xqPSRUD1 (www.tuxmachines.org) #gnu #linux | Sep 29 21:10 |
| TweetTuxMachines | #russia | Sep 29 21:10 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | ZorinOS Is a Great Linux Desktop For Any User | Tux Machines | Sep 29 21:11 | |
| DaemonFC | MinceR, Rightscorp just bought a patent from Israel that supposedly helps them identify a single person who shares files even if they get different IP addresses over time from their ISP. It would take an expert witness in court to go over any flaws with this method, and with the joke they've turned our legal system into, I'm not even sure that would be enough to sway a judge. | Sep 29 21:12 |
| XRevan86 | DaemonFC: Torrents are not that easy to block :). | Sep 29 21:12 |
| XRevan86 | Maybe they only blocked "unknown" ports | Sep 29 21:13 |
| XRevan86 | then you can try setting up your torrent client's port to 443 %) | Sep 29 21:13 |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines https://twitter.com/tuxmachines/status/913858499729395718 | Sep 29 21:13 |
| TweetTuxMachines | #Ubuntu, #PopOS, and #Tails 3.2 | Sep 29 21:13 |
| TweetTuxMachines | https://t.co/5yoYpjwBtq (www.tuxmachines.org) #gnu #linux | Sep 29 21:13 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Sep 29 21:13 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Ubuntu, Pop!_OS, and Tails 3.2 | Tux Machines | Sep 29 21:13 | |
| DaemonFC | MinceR, I probably should have encrypted my SSD when the installer gave me the option to. | Sep 29 21:14 |
| DaemonFC | I'm going through an airport next week and even though it's a domestic flight, there's no telling what the government will assert that it has a right to rummage through. | Sep 29 21:14 |
| MinceR | indeed | Sep 29 21:14 |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines https://twitter.com/tuxmachines/status/913859099061755904 | Sep 29 21:15 |
| TweetTuxMachines | #Security: #CII, Policy, Investment, and More | Sep 29 21:15 |
| TweetTuxMachines | https://t.co/QONsORc7u2 (www.tuxmachines.org) | Sep 29 21:15 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Security: CII, Policy, Investment, and More | Tux Machines | Sep 29 21:15 | |
| MinceR | also helps keep the manufacturer out of your secrets if you have to take it back for warranty service | Sep 29 21:15 |
| XRevan86 | > McDonalds and Starbucks have free wifi too! | Sep 29 21:15 |
| XRevan86 | They don't require auth? | Sep 29 21:15 |
| DaemonFC | MinceR, Lenovo would probably try to get out of the warranty just because it doesn't have Windows on it. | Sep 29 21:15 |
| DaemonFC | Or worse. | Sep 29 21:15 |
| MinceR | :> | Sep 29 21:15 |
| MinceR | if it was a thinkpad, they wouldn't | Sep 29 21:16 |
| DaemonFC | HP sent my laptop back once and said they reinstalled a fresh copy of Windows for me and I lost all my files. | Sep 29 21:16 |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines https://twitter.com/tuxmachines/status/913859509268905985 | Sep 29 21:17 |
| TweetTuxMachines | #GPD Pocket Ubuntu Editon Review https://t.co/iuasM2RRZo | Sep 29 21:17 |
| TweetTuxMachines | (www.tuxmachines.org) #ubuntu #gnu #linux | Sep 29 21:17 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Sep 29 21:17 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | GPD Pocket Ubuntu Editon Review | Tux Machines | Sep 29 21:17 | |
| DaemonFC | MinceR, I'll probably trash my browser profile. | Sep 29 21:18 |
| DaemonFC | I can rebuild it later by using Firefox Sync. | Sep 29 21:18 |
| MinceR | oh, also, SSDs are even more difficult to securely erase than HDDs, which also makes encryption a good idea | Sep 29 21:19 |
| DaemonFC | MinceR, Well, the default mode of Ext4 is to not journal data, so that's good at least. | Sep 29 21:20 |
| *TweetTuxMachines @schestowitz retweeted @tuxmachines: '#GPD Pocket Ubuntu Editon Review https://t.co/iuasM2RRZo #ubuntu #gnu...' | Sep 29 21:20 | |
| MinceR | i doubt it is, and also i don't see how it would help | Sep 29 21:20 |
| DaemonFC | MinceR, When you delete a file, there's no file data left in the journal. | Sep 29 21:21 |
| MinceR | the file data is still on the device | Sep 29 21:21 |
| DaemonFC | MinceR, John is a TSA agent so he knows what the procedures are. | Sep 29 21:23 |
| schestowitz | lol | Sep 29 21:23 |
| schestowitz | so he's touching dudes | Sep 29 21:23 |
| DaemonFC | I did ask if they ever pull laptops and copy anything from them. He said he's never seen it happen. | Sep 29 21:23 |
| DaemonFC | Customs might if you're on an international flight. | Sep 29 21:23 |
| MinceR | has he had a chance to see the changes caused by goldenDawnald yet? | Sep 29 21:23 |
| MinceR | ah, national only | Sep 29 21:24 |
| schestowitz | grab her | Sep 29 21:24 |
| DaemonFC | He says that policy for laptops is they go through the x-ray scanner and that they might ask you to turn it on and verify that it turns on. | Sep 29 21:24 |
| DaemonFC | MinceR, He said they took down Obama and Biden's photos in the breakroom and then never did put up Trump and Pence anywhere. | Sep 29 21:24 |
| MinceR | lol | Sep 29 21:24 |
| DaemonFC | He said for a while, there was an empty bag of Cheetos that one of the TSA agents pinned to the wall. | Sep 29 21:24 |
| MinceR | why did they have obama's and biden's photos in the breakroom? | Sep 29 21:24 |
| MinceR | lol @ cheetos bag | Sep 29 21:25 |
| MinceR | that's an insult to cheetos | Sep 29 21:25 |
| DaemonFC | The government. They like putting those pictures everywhere. | Sep 29 21:25 |
| DaemonFC | If you have to go to a Social Security office there's pictures of the president staring at you. | Sep 29 21:25 |
| MinceR | just like the USSR | Sep 29 21:25 |
| DaemonFC | Also, the states like to do things like that. | Sep 29 21:25 |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/913861013862313985 | Sep 29 21:25 |
| TweetTuxMachines | retweeted by #Security: #CII, Policy, Investment, and More | Sep 29 21:25 |
| TweetTuxMachines | @schestowitz https://t.co/QONsORc7u2 (www.tuxmachines.org) | Sep 29 21:25 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Sep 29 21:25 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Security: CII, Policy, Investment, and More | Tux Machines | Sep 29 21:26 | |
| MinceR | and the eastern bloc | Sep 29 21:26 |
| DaemonFC | You go to the license branch in Illinois, there's a picture of Jesse White in all of them. | Sep 29 21:26 |
| DaemonFC | Social Security office, Trump and Pence. | Sep 29 21:26 |
| MinceR | pictures of lenin, stalin, kim il-sung, mao, rakosi, etc. everywhere | Sep 29 21:26 |
| DaemonFC | MinceR, Yeah. | Sep 29 21:26 |
| MinceR | funny, i thought christianity was enough for the dixiestani | Sep 29 21:26 |
| DaemonFC | Social Security is fucking terrible. | Sep 29 21:26 |
| MinceR | and they didn't need to add russian-style cult of personality on top | Sep 29 21:26 |
| DaemonFC | You wait there for three hours to get a fucking card and they tell you something like you forgot a document or they'll mail it to you. | Sep 29 21:27 |
| DaemonFC | All they can give you at the office is a piece of paper saying you applied for a card. | Sep 29 21:27 |
| DaemonFC | Fat bunch of good that does if you have a job interview coming before the card can be replaced. | Sep 29 21:27 |
| MinceR | "i applied for a card but all i got was this shitty piece of paper" | Sep 29 21:27 |
| DaemonFC | E-Verify is mandatory in most states and at most employers. | Sep 29 21:28 |
| DaemonFC | If they can't get an instant reply from the government about whether you are ALLOWED to work then most just don't hire you. | Sep 29 21:29 |
| DaemonFC | And that's bad news for the 2-3% who are legal citizens and there was a glitch in the E-Verify system. | Sep 29 21:29 |
| MinceR | how could you not be ALLOWED to work? | Sep 29 21:29 |
| MinceR | i thought even the republicans were all about "right to work" | Sep 29 21:29 |
| schestowitz | http://ipkitten.blogspot.com/2017/09/proposed-ema-relocation-staff-survey.html?showComment=1506693743540#c6608134182724371054 | Sep 29 21:29 |
| MinceR | what happened to that? | Sep 29 21:29 |
| schestowitz | " | Sep 29 21:29 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-ipkitten.blogspot.com | The IPKat: Proposed EMA relocation: staff survey update | Sep 29 21:29 | |
| schestowitz | There may be pressure on the EMA to do what it is set up for and to "approve drugs". | Sep 29 21:29 |
| schestowitz | Something like the EPO, whose job apparently is to "grant patents" | Sep 29 21:29 |
| schestowitz | Don't worry about the small print on examination and assessment. | Sep 29 21:30 |
| schestowitz | " | Sep 29 21:30 |
| DaemonFC | MinceR, Right to Work has nothing to do with having a right to work. | Sep 29 21:30 |
| DaemonFC | It says you don't have to pay a union. You can force them to represent you for free. | Sep 29 21:30 |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/913862431318970368 | Sep 29 21:30 |
| TweetTuxMachines | retweeted by #Ubuntu, #PopOS, and #Tails 3.2 | Sep 29 21:30 |
| TweetTuxMachines | @schestowitz https://t.co/5yoYpjwBtq (www.tuxmachines.org) #gnu #linux | Sep 29 21:30 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Ubuntu, Pop!_OS, and Tails 3.2 | Tux Machines | Sep 29 21:30 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | Sep 29 21:30 | |
| DaemonFC | Thus starving them of dues because everyone will freeload and then the union collapses. | Sep 29 21:30 |
| MinceR | :> | Sep 29 21:30 |
| DaemonFC | It's basically an appeal to people to turn their collective bargaining unit into a tragedy of the commons. | Sep 29 21:31 |
| DaemonFC | MinceR, Then once the union is gone that $5 a week you saved turns into shitty health insurance and a $4 an hour pay cut. | Sep 29 21:32 |
| DaemonFC | :) | Sep 29 21:32 |
| MinceR | https://imgur.com/gallery/1nY7quV | Sep 29 21:32 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Air pumped beneath surface "liquefies" sand - GIF on Imgur | Sep 29 21:32 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/913863617145180161 | Sep 29 21:34 |
| TweetTuxMachines | retweeted by #ZorinOS Is a Great Linux Desktop For Any User | Sep 29 21:34 |
| TweetTuxMachines | @schestowitz https://t.co/h3xqPSRUD1 (www.tuxmachines.org) #gnu #linux | Sep 29 21:34 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | ZorinOS Is a Great Linux Desktop For Any User | Tux Machines | Sep 29 21:34 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | #russia | Sep 29 21:34 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Sep 29 21:34 | |
| XRevan86 | DaemonFC: I don't quite get it. Right to Work does something with labour unions? | Sep 29 21:35 |
| XRevan86 | Is it a state programme of sorts? | Sep 29 21:35 |
| MinceR | welcome to dixiestani deceptive law naming practices | Sep 29 21:37 |
| XRevan86 | Dagestan for the win! | Sep 29 21:37 |
| MinceR | not really | Sep 29 21:37 |
| MinceR | dagestan is under the russian thumb :( | Sep 29 21:38 |
| XRevan86 | https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Right-to-work_law so it's this? | Sep 29 21:39 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-en.wikipedia.org | Right-to-work law - Wikipedia | Sep 29 21:39 | |
| MinceR | looks like it, yup | Sep 29 21:39 |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/913864607575560193 | Sep 29 21:39 |
| TweetTuxMachines | retweeted by #Librem 5 Leads New Wave of Open Source Mobile Linux | Sep 29 21:39 |
| TweetTuxMachines | @schestowitz Contenders https://t.co/9iXQ1QHaDm (www.tuxmachines.org) | Sep 29 21:39 |
| TweetTuxMachines | #gnu #linux | Sep 29 21:39 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Librem 5 Leads New Wave of Open Source Mobile Linux Contenders | Tux Machines | Sep 29 21:39 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | Sep 29 21:39 | |
| XRevan86 | So, what is the part of E-Verify in all this? | Sep 29 21:40 |
| XRevan86 | if it greenflags a person, it means he is already part of the union? | Sep 29 21:40 |
| MinceR | nothing, afaict | Sep 29 21:40 |
| MinceR | i suspect it tells the employer you're not one of them brown people | Sep 29 21:41 |
| XRevan86 | MinceR: Arabs or Mexicans? | Sep 29 21:42 |
| XRevan86 | a lot of people are brown %) | Sep 29 21:42 |
| MinceR | both, and probably others too | Sep 29 21:42 |
| XRevan86 | So, it checks citizenship? | Sep 29 21:43 |
| XRevan86 | why does one need a thing to check for citizenship? | Sep 29 21:43 |
| MinceR | or resident status, or whatever else | Sep 29 21:43 |
| DaemonFC | Part of an Amazon post: | Sep 29 21:43 |
| DaemonFC | Women in states that have effectively outlawed abortion clinics have to buy abortion pills on the internet and hope everything goes okay. | Sep 29 21:43 |
| DaemonFC | If they do get a real abortion pill, and that's a gamble, then it usually does. There was at least one case. I think it was in Pennsylvania, but don't quote me. There were complications and then once the government found out that she got the pill on the internet (someone at the hospital ratted her out and gave personal health information to the state), they prosecuted her *and* her mother, and called the charge | Sep 29 21:43 |
| DaemonFC | "feticide" *and* for obtaining a drug online when nobody in the region would prescribe it for her. | Sep 29 21:43 |
| DaemonFC | By passing TRAP laws, Republicans aren't banning abortion. They are forcing women to make extremely dangerous decisions when the abortion clinic would have been a thousand times safer. | Sep 29 21:43 |
| DaemonFC | Large swaths of the country are turning into the Republic of Gilead, and I'm glad that Illinois went a different way with that. | Sep 29 21:43 |
| MinceR | to assure the poor, disenfranchised republican voters that the "small" government is taking their jerbs back | Sep 29 21:44 |
| MinceR | or to assure that the state can get all the tax money they intend to get | Sep 29 21:44 |
| XRevan86 | DaemonFC: I sometimes can't destinguish "Republicans" from "United Russia" | Sep 29 21:45 |
| XRevan86 | those terms start to seem interchangable | Sep 29 21:45 |
| MinceR | well, of course | Sep 29 21:45 |
| MinceR | you can see the love affair between goldenDawnald and his cabinet and putler and his goons | Sep 29 21:46 |
| MinceR | they're making this Cowardly New Fascist World Order for us all. | Sep 29 21:46 |
| XRevan86 | I am not aware of United Russia actually getting a bill that bans abortions. But they constantly talk about it. | Sep 29 21:47 |
| MinceR | ideologically they're all for that | Sep 29 21:47 |
| MinceR | just like the khuilo's fuck buddy in budapest/felcsut | Sep 29 21:48 |
| XRevan86 | MinceR: Yeah. | Sep 29 21:48 |
| MinceR | fundamentalist vermin | Sep 29 21:48 |
| XRevan86 | MinceR: I keep reading the transliteration as "Julio" :) | Sep 29 21:48 |
| MinceR | :) | Sep 29 21:48 |
| DaemonFC | MinceR, Even without a VPN you can direct download and usually the file server is in another country that doesn't give a fuck. | Sep 29 21:49 |
| DaemonFC | But those are getting harder to download from with a "free" account. | Sep 29 21:49 |
| DaemonFC | They know that the noose is tightening here and people will pay. | Sep 29 21:50 |
| MinceR | i wonder if this great international fundamentalist fascist love affair will change that | Sep 29 21:50 |
| DaemonFC | Perhaps. | Sep 29 21:50 |
| MinceR | maybe they'll just tear the internet apart | Sep 29 21:50 |
| DaemonFC | MinceR, The Russian government raided Private Internet Access, so they pulled all their servers out of Russia. | Sep 29 21:50 |
| MinceR | or just ban general purpose computers (at least for us slaves) so we can't overcome their precious DRM anymore | Sep 29 21:50 |
| DaemonFC | They had no logs, so there was no data to seize. | Sep 29 21:50 |
| DaemonFC | MinceR, They don't really NEED to. | Sep 29 21:51 |
| DaemonFC | As long as they can keep 97% of the people on treacherous operating systems, that's probably good enough for them. | Sep 29 21:51 |
| MinceR | you can already see it isn't | Sep 29 21:51 |
| MinceR | not only are they pushing closed platforms on mobile, winblows and macos are also turning into closed platforms | Sep 29 21:52 |
| MinceR | and even that is not enough | Sep 29 21:52 |
| MinceR | ratcrap is grabbing power over what remains | Sep 29 21:53 |
| MinceR | and they're pushing intel me, psp, uefi, tpm | Sep 29 21:53 |
| DaemonFC | MinceR, Windows 10 is about to introduce a new "feature" that uses the Windows Defender program to scour your storage for pirated stuff and deletes it and reports you to the copyright holder. | Sep 29 21:53 |
| MinceR | and intel boot guard | Sep 29 21:53 |
| DaemonFC | Microsoft got the patent for that a while ago. | Sep 29 21:53 |
| MinceR | there would be no need for the m$/red hat/canonical alliance against unix if locking down their beloved winblows and macos was enough | Sep 29 21:54 |
| MinceR | there would be no need for uefi, intel me, intel boot guard and psp then | Sep 29 21:54 |
| XRevan86 | DaemonFC: It's not like a used is who bought Windows 10 for one's PC. | Sep 29 21:56 |
| DaemonFC | MinceR, It already is bad enough that they price gouge for access to streaming video. | Sep 29 21:56 |
| DaemonFC | Imagine how much it will cost when there is no competition. | Sep 29 21:56 |
| XRevan86 | In Soviet Russia Windows 10 uses YOU! | Sep 29 21:57 |
| *XRevan86 imagines a bunch of Windows 10's sweeping stores looking for their useds to buy. | Sep 29 21:57 | |
| MinceR | also, there would be no need for "html5" if they were satisfied with absolute control over people who are stupid enough to use winblows, OSuX or hypeOS. | Sep 29 21:57 |
| XRevan86 | and if a pet used misbehaves, Windows 10 will return it back | Sep 29 21:58 |
| XRevan86 | and even report to the pet control | Sep 29 21:58 |
| XRevan86 | like a concious active citizen would do | Sep 29 21:59 |
| XRevan86 | * OS | Sep 29 21:59 |
| DaemonFC | https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1496951 | Sep 29 22:01 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-bugzilla.redhat.com | Bug 1496951 – GNOME Control Center crashes when trying to use VPN settings menu. | Sep 29 22:01 | |
| XRevan86 | > (03:16:06) MinceR: if it was a thinkpad, they wouldn't | Sep 29 22:01 |
| DaemonFC | Looks like that's getting some attention. | Sep 29 22:01 |
| XRevan86 | MinceR: What did you mean by that? %) | Sep 29 22:01 |
| DaemonFC | https://koji.fedoraproject.org/koji/buildinfo?buildID=977111 | Sep 29 22:03 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-koji.fedoraproject.org | NetworkManager-1.8.4-3.fc27 | Build Info | koji | Sep 29 22:03 | |
| DaemonFC | I'll have to try this and see if it works. | Sep 29 22:03 |
| MinceR | XRevan86: they serviced my thinkpad nicely, without any excuses, even though it had no winblows installed | Sep 29 22:03 |
| MinceR | and they didn't bother the HDD. | Sep 29 22:04 |
| XRevan86 | MinceR: It probably depends heavily on the service centre | Sep 29 22:05 |
| XRevan86 | MinceR: Thanks for the clarification :). | Sep 29 22:05 |
| MinceR | i don't have the resources to test them all | Sep 29 22:05 |
| MinceR | so i rely on the manufacturer to keep their service centers in line | Sep 29 22:05 |
| MinceR | if it was up to the service center with my dHell, then dHell doesn't keep them in line | Sep 29 22:06 |
| MinceR | but as far as i can tell, dHell just doesn't give a fuck | Sep 29 22:06 |
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| MinceR | half of their replacement units are already broken, they never know when they get any of them, they don't verify if they actually work | Sep 29 22:07 |
| MinceR | and when their shitty keyboard design falls to bits, they won't fix it unless you buy a new keyboard, rewarding them for their shitty design again. | Sep 29 22:07 |
| MinceR | dHell is a bad joke of a company. | Sep 29 22:07 |
| XRevan86 | Oh boy, they also own VMware -_- | Sep 29 22:08 |
| MinceR | lol | Sep 29 22:09 |
| XRevan86 | https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dell_Technologies#Current_operations | Sep 29 22:09 |
| MinceR | a good fit | Sep 29 22:09 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-en.wikipedia.org | Dell Technologies - Wikipedia | Sep 29 22:09 | |
| MinceR | shitty virtualization for shitty hardware and shitty "support" | Sep 29 22:09 |
| MinceR | oh, they even own RSA "Security" LLC | Sep 29 22:10 |
| MinceR | "oh, someone broke into our systems and stole the secrets our hard tokens relied on for security? who gives a shit, just keep silent about it." | Sep 29 22:10 |
| MinceR | buy an RSA "Security" hard token so you can carry something around that won't help your security one bit. | Sep 29 22:10 |
| XRevan86 | > oh, they even own RSA "Security" LLC | Sep 29 22:10 |
| XRevan86 | What do they do? O_O | Sep 29 22:10 |
| MinceR | EMC bought RSA, dHell bought EMC | Sep 29 22:11 |
| XRevan86 | What do they sell | Sep 29 22:11 |
| MinceR | shitty hard tokens | Sep 29 22:11 |
| MinceR | probably some other security theater too | Sep 29 22:11 |
| MinceR | now it's easier for people to avoid this sort of snake oil, just check if dHell owns it | Sep 29 22:11 |
| MinceR | if they do, it's shit | Sep 29 22:12 |
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| XRevan86 | MinceR: Are they, by any chance, based on the RSA crypto? :) | Sep 29 22:12 |
| MinceR | probably not | Sep 29 22:13 |
| MinceR | this sort of token relies on generating the same nonce at both ends from clocks in sync and a secret they share, afaik | Sep 29 22:13 |
| *XRevan86 waits for RSA to perish in favour of Ed25519 | Sep 29 22:13 | |
| MinceR | the RSA algorithm's viability is unaffected by RSA "Security" LLC (and dHell in general) being a total scam | Sep 29 22:14 |
| MinceR | the former was mathematically scrutinized | Sep 29 22:14 |
| MinceR | ah, they call their shitty tokens "SecurID" | Sep 29 22:14 |
| XRevan86 | MinceR: Yeah, I guess. It's still getting outdated. | Sep 29 22:14 |
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| MinceR | wikipedia says they also sell some cryptography libraries | Sep 29 22:15 |
| MinceR | probably some proprietary shit | Sep 29 22:15 |
| XRevan86 | MinceR: Probably? :) | Sep 29 22:15 |
| MinceR | "security" by obscurity | Sep 29 22:15 |
| MinceR | almost certainly | Sep 29 22:15 |
| MinceR | i don't really see how they could sell a free sw crypto library | Sep 29 22:16 |
| MinceR | and only those can be scrutinized sufficiently to be actually worth relying on for security | Sep 29 22:16 |
| MinceR | https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SecurID | Sep 29 22:18 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-en.wikipedia.org | RSA SecurID - Wikipedia | Sep 29 22:18 | |
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| XRevan86 | > The breach into RSA's network was carried out by crackers who sent phishing emails to two targeted, small groups of employees of RSA.[15] Attached to the email was an Excel file containing malware. When an RSA employee opened the Excel file, the malware exploited a vulnerability in Adobe Flash. The exploit allowed the hackers to use the Poison Ivy Remote Administration Tool to gain control of machines and access servers in RSA's network. | Sep 29 22:21 |
| XRevan86 | MinceR: I lol'd | Sep 29 22:21 |
| XRevan86 | RSA, a security company. | Sep 29 22:21 |
| MinceR | so did i | Sep 29 22:22 |
| MinceR | i was using one of these jokes at the time, it wasn't replaced | Sep 29 22:22 |
| XRevan86 | MinceR: Why would it be replaced? It's not like it was giving any real security in the first place | Sep 29 22:23 |
| MinceR | because the secret on it was potentially found out by the attackers | Sep 29 22:23 |
| XRevan86 | but a feeling of security… that can be saved simply by ignoring everything | Sep 29 22:23 |
| MinceR | so they could construct a copy of the token and use it to log in in my name | Sep 29 22:23 |
| MinceR | in _theory_, this hard token system could add a layer of security | Sep 29 22:24 |
| MinceR | but with dHell/EMC/RSA's operational security, that layer just isn't there | Sep 29 22:24 |
| MinceR | there's only the inconvenience | Sep 29 22:24 |
| XRevan86 | > There are some hints that the breach involved the theft of RSA's database mapping token serial numbers to the secret token "seeds" that were injected to make each one unique. | Sep 29 22:24 |
| XRevan86 | Centralised databases, the best way to organise one's security, ladies and gentlemen. | Sep 29 22:24 |
| MinceR | one theoretical issue i have with their system is that any client would trust an external entity for this aspect of security | Sep 29 22:25 |
| MinceR | unless they manufactured their own tokens | Sep 29 22:25 |
| MinceR | which isn't exactly reassuring | Sep 29 22:25 |
| MinceR | especially if one considers what if the client company's chief competitor happens to acquire the "security" company | Sep 29 22:25 |
| DaemonFC | Linux disabled SMBv1 by default recently. | Sep 29 22:27 |
| DaemonFC | Why would people still be using that? | Sep 29 22:27 |
| XRevan86 | DaemonFC: Ugh, Linux? | Sep 29 22:27 |
| MinceR | because people are stupid | Sep 29 22:27 |
| *XRevan86 is not aware of SMB support in the kernel. | Sep 29 22:28 | |
| MinceR | they keep using smb in all sorts of situations other than the one thing that may possibly justify relying on that vile shitheap | Sep 29 22:28 |
| MinceR | (that is, talking to winblows systems that don't have anything saner installed on them) | Sep 29 22:28 |
| MinceR | smb is incompatible with itself and is full of microsoftesque quirks | Sep 29 22:28 |
| MinceR | also, samba's implementation of it is shit | Sep 29 22:29 |
| MinceR | its error messages are inconsistent and its exit codes are nonexistent | Sep 29 22:29 |
| *TweetTuxMachines @kaddourkardio favourited '#Librem 5 Leads New Wave of Open Source...' | Sep 29 22:30 | |
| DaemonFC | MinceR, Microsoft is one of the developers of Samba. | Sep 29 22:31 |
| MinceR | ah, makes sense, then | Sep 29 22:32 |
| MinceR | i guess the original developers no longer needed samba to actually work anymore | Sep 29 22:32 |
| XRevan86 | I remembered about an anecdote: https://lurkmore.to/%D0%9E%D0%B1%D1%80%D0%B0%D0%B1%D0%BE%D1%82%D0%B0%D1%82%D1%8C_%D0%BD%D0%B0%D0%BF%D0%B8%D0%BB%D1%8C%D0%BD%D0%B8%D0%BA%D0%BE%D0%BC#.D0.9F.D0.B5.D1.80.D0.B2.D0.BE.D0.B8.D1.81.D1.82.D0.BE.D1.87.D0.BD.D0.B8.D0.BA | Sep 29 22:36 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-lurkmore.to | Обработать напильником — Lurkmore | Sep 29 22:36 | |
| XRevan86 | I'll try translating one of the options here | Sep 29 22:36 |
| MinceR | i'm not sure i understand even with google translate | Sep 29 22:40 |
| MinceR | is the point that you have the russian factory manufacture something and then sculpt the parts into the parts of whatever you need to build? | Sep 29 22:40 |
| XRevan86 | > Americans bought from Russians a new jetfighter. After constructing they got a torpedo boat. Deconstructed-constructed – boat. Deconstructed-constructed – boat. Call Russians for help, that they can't pull it off. Russians sent their specialist, who then sealed himself in a barn. After three days opens the gate [no idea whom %)] – a jetfighter is in place. Americans are puzzled, they were getting a boat. A Russian: "it's clearly said in the instru | Sep 29 22:41 |
| XRevan86 | – before constructing process details with a file." | Sep 29 22:41 |
| XRevan86 | I don't think even Microsoft can't build their own software the same way twice. | Sep 29 22:42 |
| MinceR | indeed | Sep 29 22:43 |
| MinceR | they're all unhappy big accidents | Sep 29 22:43 |
| XRevan86 | or rather, they, Microsoft, are the ones who are most likely to fail at that :D. | Sep 29 22:43 |
| DaemonFC | At least Star Trek Discovery takes place in the Prime Universe, not the Kelvin one from JJ Abrams. | Sep 29 22:43 |
| MinceR | they (like red hat, apple and canonical) don't employ engineers | Sep 29 22:43 |
| MinceR | they do not seem to understand how the details of their own products are supposed to work | Sep 29 22:44 |
| XRevan86 | MinceR: Don't bother using Google Translate on lurkmore :) | Sep 29 22:44 |
| XRevan86 | It's like urban dictionary – it's full of slang | Sep 29 22:44 |
| MinceR | XRevan86: it actually turned out pretty close to what you wrote | Sep 29 22:44 |
| DaemonFC | The Kelvin universe shouldn't even be possible. The Federation of the 29th century monitors the timeline (Enterprise) and should have easily been able to stop the Kelvin timeline from happening. | Sep 29 22:44 |
| MinceR | i'm just not sure what sort of "file" they meant | Sep 29 22:44 |
| XRevan86 | MinceR: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File_(tool) | Sep 29 22:45 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-en.wikipedia.org | File (tool) - Wikipedia | Sep 29 22:45 | |
| MinceR | but even if someone at a department of m$ knew how their stuff worked, nobody at any other department would ever get to make use of that knowledge anyway | Sep 29 22:45 |
| MinceR | ah, then i guessed right | Sep 29 22:45 |
| DaemonFC | MinceR, Or would be punished for fixing it. | Sep 29 22:45 |
| DaemonFC | Therefore having no incentive to do so. | Sep 29 22:45 |
| MinceR | it's funny how selling an unfinished product and doing no QA translates to "respect for the profession" in russia | Sep 29 22:45 |
| DaemonFC | MinceR, There's little to no QA done on Windows. They just send it out broken to "Home Edition" users and experiment on them. | Sep 29 22:46 |
| DaemonFC | Then they give the Business customers the option of staying on a branch marked LTS. | Sep 29 22:46 |
| MinceR | yeah, i know | Sep 29 22:47 |
| DaemonFC | If you don't pay up, there's no chance of having ANYTHING that works close to correctly. | Sep 29 22:47 |
| MinceR | no m$ product would survive any actual QA process | Sep 29 22:47 |
| MinceR | DaemonFC: actually even if you do pay up, you don't get anything that is close to working | Sep 29 22:47 |
| MinceR | i've seen what their paying clients get | Sep 29 22:47 |
| MinceR | it's the same broken garbage everyone else gets | Sep 29 22:48 |
| XRevan86 | > it's funny how selling an unfinished product and doing no QA translates to "respect for the profession" in russia | Sep 29 22:48 |
| XRevan86 | Ugh……… | Sep 29 22:48 |
| MinceR | but the people who make such decisions probably get rewarded on the side and certainly don't get reprimanded by their management in any way | Sep 29 22:48 |
| MinceR | "nobody ever got fired for buying *" | Sep 29 22:48 |
| XRevan86 | MinceR: The punchline of the joke is that the details had to be filled to something completely different | Sep 29 22:49 |
| XRevan86 | and that for a stereotypical anecdotal Russian that wasn't something extraordinary | Sep 29 22:50 |
| MinceR | yeah | Sep 29 22:50 |
| MinceR | but the article elaborates on that | Sep 29 22:50 |
| XRevan86 | "you had to file it first, duh" | Sep 29 22:50 |
| MinceR | removing chamfers and the like | Sep 29 22:50 |
| MinceR | my point is that it's the manufacturer's responsibility to remove the chamfers | Sep 29 22:51 |
| MinceR | a workpiece that has chamfers on it is not a finished product | Sep 29 22:51 |
| XRevan86 | MinceR: Ah, that paragraph was about people who work with metal :) | Sep 29 22:51 |
| MinceR | it also reminds me of another joke | Sep 29 22:51 |
| MinceR | about a worker working at a factory that ostensibly makes baby carriages or something like that | Sep 29 22:52 |
| MinceR | steals parts, takes them home and tries to build the product for own use | Sep 29 22:52 |
| XRevan86 | > Is a local meme within turners/millers/grinders and other people of working specialties who work in the industrial sector | Sep 29 22:52 |
| MinceR | but it somehow always ends up being an AK-47 or something like that | Sep 29 22:52 |
| XRevan86 | MinceR: That sounds very similiar :) | Sep 29 22:52 |
| MinceR | though that's either about ensuring that factory tools are specified so they're easily repurposed for military production or about trying to hide the true purpose of war factories | Sep 29 22:53 |
| MinceR | (because of spies and whatever) | Sep 29 22:53 |
| XRevan86 | MinceR: A lot of military industrial complexes in the 90s in Russia were repurposed as frying pans manufacturers | Sep 29 22:54 |
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| XRevan86 | (famously and anecdotally) | Sep 29 22:54 |
| MinceR | :) | Sep 29 22:54 |
| MinceR | the anecdote i heard was that food cans had the right diameter so that their tools could be used to produce artillery shells or something | Sep 29 22:55 |
| XRevan86 | MinceR: So, maybe that factory was repurposed too in the anecdote :) | Sep 29 22:55 |
| XRevan86 | or maybe the punchline is that an AK-47 can be built from anything | Sep 29 22:56 |
| MinceR | yeah | Sep 29 22:56 |
| MinceR | well, i did see a gallery about someone converting a spade into an AK-47 but they also used extra parts and i'm not sure how usable the product ended up being | Sep 29 22:56 |
| MinceR | they seemed to employ some hideously unlikely approaches though | Sep 29 22:57 |
| MinceR | s/spade/shovel/ | Sep 29 22:57 |
| XRevan86 | https://lurkmore.so/images/a/ac/Lopata-drug_soldata.jpg | Sep 29 22:58 |
| XRevan86 | Just an unrelated picture. | Sep 29 22:58 |
| MinceR | http://www.northeastshooters.com/vbulletin/threads/179192-DIY-Shovel-AK-photo-tsunami-warning | Sep 29 22:59 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.northeastshooters.com | DIY: Shovel AK - photo tsunami warning! | Sep 29 22:59 | |
| MinceR | :D | Sep 29 22:59 |
| XRevan86 | MinceR: So, he filled the shovel to the AK-47 :) | Sep 29 23:01 |
| MinceR | for some reason, he also used an AR-15 lower receiver | Sep 29 23:01 |
| MinceR | it's not quite clear to me why someone would do that | Sep 29 23:01 |
| MinceR | but then, that kinda applies to the whole endeavor | Sep 29 23:01 |
| MinceR | ooh, genuine M16A1, even? | Sep 29 23:01 |
| XRevan86 | MinceR: Anyway, an AK with a shovel handle looks most amusing :) | Sep 29 23:05 |
| MinceR | indeed | Sep 29 23:05 |
| MinceR | the text is also amusing | Sep 29 23:05 |
| XRevan86 | > Stolichnaya vodka | Sep 29 23:06 |
| *XRevan86 wonders what brands of vodkas are out there. | Sep 29 23:06 | |
| MinceR | still, i'd pick an HK416 over an AK any day | Sep 29 23:06 |
| XRevan86 | MinceR: Sounds like something more modern and more complicated. | Sep 29 23:07 |
| XRevan86 | AKs beat with their simplicity | Sep 29 23:07 |
| MinceR | HK fixed the main issue the M16/AR-15 had, afaik | Sep 29 23:08 |
| MinceR | and it's modular | Sep 29 23:08 |
| MinceR | so if it shoots bullets, chances are you could build it on this platform | Sep 29 23:08 |
| XRevan86 | MinceR: hmm | Sep 29 23:08 |
| MinceR | you can put all the accessories on it | Sep 29 23:08 |
| MinceR | and it's probably a lot more accurate than any AK | Sep 29 23:08 |
| XRevan86 | MinceR: I doubt one can make one from a shovel though :) | Sep 29 23:09 |
| MinceR | plus it's probably lighter and the ammo is definitely lighter (at least unless you replace the relevant parts to shoot something bigger, i guess) | Sep 29 23:09 |
| MinceR | well, no | Sep 29 23:09 |
| MinceR | there's certainly not enough of the necessary kinds of plastic in a shovel :> | Sep 29 23:09 |
| XRevan86 | > The HK416 uses a HK-proprietary short-stroke gas system that derives from the HK G36, forgoing the expanding gas system standard in AR-15 rifles. | Sep 29 23:09 |
| *XRevan86 flinched | Sep 29 23:09 | |
| MinceR | that's the one | Sep 29 23:09 |
| MinceR | the expanding gas system was probably lighter, but allegedly it keeps getting jammed with stuff | Sep 29 23:10 |
| XRevan86 | > there's certainly not enough of the necessary kinds of plastic in a shovel :> | Sep 29 23:10 |
| XRevan86 | :) | Sep 29 23:10 |
| XRevan86 | a shovel + a 3D printer, then? | Sep 29 23:10 |
| MinceR | probably not | Sep 29 23:10 |
| MinceR | then again, having that lower receiver he started with would probably help | Sep 29 23:11 |
| MinceR | and the equivalent of that AK kit | Sep 29 23:11 |
| MinceR | oh, i guess by "Romy" he means "Romanian" | Sep 29 23:11 |
| MinceR | it would explain the "Mihaela" | Sep 29 23:12 |
| XRevan86 | MinceR: He mentioned "Romanian" in the text | Sep 29 23:12 |
| MinceR | yes, but only in connection with "Mihaela" | Sep 29 23:12 |
| MinceR | everywhere else just "Romy" | Sep 29 23:13 |
| XRevan86 | "Romania" is a rather confusing name | Sep 29 23:16 |
| XRevan86 | I wonder what Italy thinks about that :) | Sep 29 23:17 |
| MinceR | maybe the same thing Greece thinks of Macedonia | Sep 29 23:17 |
| XRevan86 | MinceR: touche | Sep 29 23:17 |
| XRevan86 | > The name "Romania" (România) was first brought to Paris by young Romanian intellectuals in the 1840s, where it was spelled "Roumanie" in order to differentiate Romanians (fr.: Roumains) from Romans (fr.: Romains). The French spelling version (Roumanie) spread then over many countries, such as Britain, Spain, Italy, Germany. | Sep 29 23:18 |
| XRevan86 | > In English, the name of the country was originally borrowed from French "Roumania" (<"Roumanie"), then evolved into "Rumania", but was eventually replaced after World War II by the name used officially: "Romania". | Sep 29 23:18 |
| XRevan86 | So, it was Rumania in English too, but then suddenly… | Sep 29 23:18 |
| XRevan86 | The differentiation issue is there, so I don't get "Romania" instead of "Rumania' or "Roumania"… | Sep 29 23:19 |
| MinceR | like it says, it comes from the official spelling | Sep 29 23:20 |
| XRevan86 | Which is lame :) | Sep 29 23:21 |
| XRevan86 | Why Russia and not Rossia or Rossiya? Ukrayina, Deutschland, etc. | Sep 29 23:22 |
| MinceR | > Two spelling forms: român and rumân were used interchangeably[a] until sociolinguistic developments in the late 17th century led to semantic differentiation of the two forms: rumân came to mean "bondsman", while român retained the original ethnolinguistic meaning.[18] | Sep 29 23:22 |
| MinceR | > The name Russia is derived from Rus, a medieval state populated mostly by the East Slavs. | Sep 29 23:22 |
| XRevan86 | MinceR: Apparently "Roumania" came to be after that in Franch. | Sep 29 23:22 |
| MinceR | > An old Latin version of the name Rus' was Ruthenia, mostly applied to the western and southern regions of Rus' that were adjacent to Catholic Europe. The current name of the country, \u0420\u043e\u0441\u0441\u0438\u044f (Rossija), comes from the Byzantine Greek designation of the Kievan Rus', \u03a1\u03c9\u03c3\u03c3\u03af\u03b1 Rossía\u2014spelled \u03a1\u03c9\u03c3\u03af\u03b1 (Rosía pronounced [ro\u02c8sia]) in Modern Greek.[38] | Sep 29 23:23 |
| MinceR | (thanks, x2x) | Sep 29 23:23 |
| MinceR | https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Russia#Etymology | Sep 29 23:23 |
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| XRevan86 | MinceR: But because of that, there's no good way to apply the word "Russia" to Ukraine and Belarus in English, because it's practically given to "Great Russia"… | Sep 29 23:24 |
| MinceR | doesn't seem to make a difference | Sep 29 23:24 |
| MinceR | lukashenka willingly serves vlad | Sep 29 23:25 |
| MinceR | and there wasn't much resistance when vlad marched his army into ukraine | Sep 29 23:25 |
| MinceR | and his fuck buddy Viktor the First is waiting for some of that army to make a visit and annex hungary | Sep 29 23:25 |
| XRevan86 | MinceR: Meh, politics. | Sep 29 23:26 |
| cubexyz | none of my customers _wanted_ win10 | Sep 29 23:26 |
| MinceR | (which doesn't seem all that likely, considering that hungary isn't much useful to the khuilo, except as a spy in NATO and a lobbyist in the EU) | Sep 29 23:26 |
| XRevan86 | MinceR: I don't like mixing current politics and semantics. | Sep 29 23:26 |
| cubexyz | they went with win7 + never 10 or mint (usually) | Sep 29 23:26 |
| MinceR | cubexyz: your customers are unusually smart, then | Sep 29 23:26 |
| MinceR | ...but i guess they aren't smart enough to go GNU/Linux or BSD :> | Sep 29 23:27 |
| cubexyz | well, I did say some switched to mint | Sep 29 23:27 |
| MinceR | mint is systemd/Linux though | Sep 29 23:27 |
| cubexyz | not ideal, but far better than win10 | Sep 29 23:27 |
| MinceR | the difference is shrinking | Sep 29 23:27 |
| cubexyz | slackware would have been too much for them I think | Sep 29 23:28 |
| MinceR | and control-wise there's practically no difference | Sep 29 23:28 |
| cubexyz | baby steps | Sep 29 23:28 |
| MinceR | m$ controls Backdoors10 directly and Mint via their vassal red hat and systemd | Sep 29 23:28 |
| MinceR | i guess there's also debian and ubuntu in that chain | Sep 29 23:29 |
| cubexyz | if one goes the BSD route you have to be extra careful on what hardware you buy | Sep 29 23:29 |
| MinceR | yeah | Sep 29 23:29 |
| MinceR | and to avoid "NextBSD", FreeBSD and such | Sep 29 23:30 |
| cubexyz | NetBSD is actually appealing to me, since I use a lot of old hardware | Sep 29 23:30 |
| MinceR | > implements new features developed on branches but not yet implemented in FreeBSD. | Sep 29 23:30 |
| MinceR | sounds ominous. | Sep 29 23:30 |
| XRevan86 | MinceR: Windows Defender and systemd are comparable? :) | Sep 29 23:30 |
| MinceR | NextBSD != NetBSD | Sep 29 23:30 |
| MinceR | XRevan86: not yet, i guess | Sep 29 23:30 |
| cubexyz | MinceR, yes, I realize the distinction | Sep 29 23:31 |
| MinceR | systemd is closer to services.exe, svchost.exe and a whole bunch of other crap | Sep 29 23:31 |
| cubexyz | there's also void linux and alpine, as XRevan86 has pointed out | Sep 29 23:31 |
| XRevan86 | MinceR: Well, you're saying it like systemd is almost Windows 10. | Sep 29 23:32 |
| MinceR | wow, even microsoft manages to come up with a more modular design than poettering | Sep 29 23:32 |
| XRevan86 | and there isn't much point in using one rather than the other | Sep 29 23:32 |
| MinceR | XRevan86: Backdoors10 and systemd alike are about taking all control away from the user | Sep 29 23:32 |
| MinceR | and handing it to microsoft | Sep 29 23:32 |
| MinceR | and the NSA | Sep 29 23:32 |
| cubexyz | Mint is better than win10 by far, no comparison | Sep 29 23:32 |
| XRevan86 | Soon: systemd Defender, systemd Store, systemd Edge | Sep 29 23:32 |
| MinceR | yeah, easier to prepare install media for a real OS from mint, for now | Sep 29 23:33 |
| XRevan86 | * systemd-defenderd, systemd-stored, systemd-edged :) | Sep 29 23:33 |
| MinceR | XRevan86: or m$ just buys red hat and renames rHEL to "Windows 11" | Sep 29 23:33 |
| MinceR | s/HEL/HELL/ | Sep 29 23:33 |
| XRevan86 | MinceR: That would be an improvement to Windows %) | Sep 29 23:33 |
| MinceR | it would not be much of a change | Sep 29 23:33 |
| MinceR | especially considering that they'd probably still ban side-loading of software | Sep 29 23:34 |
| MinceR | certain APIs are already only available to applications installed via Windows Store | Sep 29 23:35 |
| MinceR | which works similarly to the crApp Store | Sep 29 23:35 |
| XRevan86 | and RHEL Store | Sep 29 23:36 |
| MinceR | nah, "RHEL" would probably no longer be a brand by then | Sep 29 23:36 |
| MinceR | so i guess the most work would be about making the product much worse than the base on which it is built | Sep 29 23:36 |
| MinceR | just like with OSuX | Sep 29 23:36 |
| MinceR | where they had to fuck up the kernel for the brochure and rip out a fully functional windowing system and replace it with a pathetic toy | Sep 29 23:37 |
| XRevan86 | MinceR: But microkernel! | Sep 29 23:37 |
| MinceR | because it hurt their pride that a bunch of hobbyists would come up with something far more usable than macos ever could be | Sep 29 23:37 |
| MinceR | XRevan86: no, a lie about a microkernel | Sep 29 23:37 |
| XRevan86 | that loads a monolith because they don't do microkernels, not really | Sep 29 23:37 |
| MinceR | and, once they were called out on it, they invented the bullshit term "hybrid kernel" along with m$ | Sep 29 23:38 |
| MinceR | which just means "an extremely bloated monolithic kernel we wish was a microkernel even though we have no idea what microkernel even means" | Sep 29 23:38 |
| cubexyz | there's minix if you want a microkernel os | Sep 29 23:38 |
| XRevan86 | A hybrid kernel: it's like a microkernel but actually isn't. We have no idea why we involved Mach into this. | Sep 29 23:38 |
| MinceR | https://imgur.com/gallery/KKckE | Sep 29 23:39 |
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| MinceR | afaik minix isn't multiserver so it's pointless | Sep 29 23:39 |
| MinceR | you just get the single point of failure in userspace | Sep 29 23:39 |
| MinceR | and you'll still have to reboot when it fails | Sep 29 23:39 |
| cubexyz | minix has some good ideas like their reincarnation server (restarts crashed drivers) | Sep 29 23:39 |
| XRevan86 | MinceR: Security or something :) | Sep 29 23:39 |
| MinceR | HURD would have been fine but they couldn't get it to work properly | Sep 29 23:39 |
| MinceR | and so they gave up | Sep 29 23:39 |
| MinceR | and started working on getting the mother of all single points of failure in userspace | Sep 29 23:40 |
| MinceR | the reincarnation server won't help you when the massive server that held most of the state of the system just crashed | Sep 29 23:40 |
| cubexyz | even infinite loop taming... scheduler lowers priority until it becomes idle | Sep 29 23:40 |
| MinceR | oops, it was the filesystem | Sep 29 23:41 |
| XRevan86 | I never even saw Linux, a monolithic kernel, crash for no reason. | Sep 29 23:41 |
| MinceR | guess it's time to hit Reset | Sep 29 23:41 |
| XRevan86 | Is that such a big deal? | Sep 29 23:41 |
| MinceR | too bad it went out of fashion decades ago | Sep 29 23:41 |
| MinceR | XRevan86: probably not | Sep 29 23:41 |
| XRevan86 | I thought the best thing about microkernels is microservice *isolation* | Sep 29 23:41 |
| MinceR | i saw it crash but it was probably either a hw issue or a hw driver issue | Sep 29 23:41 |
| MinceR | so, how much isolation do you have within a single userspace service? | Sep 29 23:42 |
| XRevan86 | Everything in Linux is exposed to everything in Linux. | Sep 29 23:42 |
| cubexyz | I don't know anyone who uses minix in a production environment | Sep 29 23:42 |
| MinceR | intel does | Sep 29 23:42 |
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| XRevan86 | MinceR: Ah, i thought we're talking about microkernels :) | Sep 29 23:42 |
| MinceR | iirc one of their backdoors is built on it | Sep 29 23:42 |
| MinceR | XRevan86: and we are | Sep 29 23:42 |
| XRevan86 | "hybrids" don't count | Sep 29 23:42 |
| MinceR | afaik the filesystem server in minix does a lot of extra things | Sep 29 23:43 |
| MinceR | in qnx, they merged a lot of servers, allegedly for performance reasons | Sep 29 23:43 |
| MinceR | (in other words, their microkernel failed at its job) | Sep 29 23:43 |
| MinceR | in hurd, they're getting systemd | Sep 29 23:43 |
| XRevan86 | > in hurd, they're getting systemd | Sep 29 23:43 |
| XRevan86 | wat… | Sep 29 23:43 |
| MinceR | https://www.gnu.org/software/hurd/open_issues/systemd.html | Sep 29 23:43 |
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| MinceR | so either the theory outright failed or humans just aren't advanced enough to develop a multiserver microkernel system | Sep 29 23:44 |
| XRevan86 | MinceR: Don't worry, they won't be able to pull this off %) | Sep 29 23:44 |
| MinceR | yeah, either they'll give up on hurd entirely | Sep 29 23:44 |
| MinceR | because systemd-kerneld is so great and poettering said so | Sep 29 23:44 |
| XRevan86 | > Also note the additional upstart page. | Sep 29 23:45 |
| MinceR | or because they've been losing manpower since forever and there's nobody left to do anything | Sep 29 23:45 |
| XRevan86 | Apparently they just like porting stuff. | Sep 29 23:45 |
| MinceR | or they'll be strangled by red hat | Sep 29 23:45 |
| MinceR | as letting users choose another kernel would be choice, and as such, it is to be avoided at all costs | Sep 29 23:45 |
| MinceR | poettering must determine what kernel everybody uses | Sep 29 23:45 |
| XRevan86 | cubexyz: So, did you try Alpine? :) | Sep 29 23:46 |
| MinceR | until he's no longer useful to his owners at microsoft (once microsoft buys red hat) and he's thrown away | Sep 29 23:46 |
| cubexyz | XRevan86, not yet... soon | Sep 29 23:46 |
| cubexyz | alpine could be a good alternative to BL3, we'll see | Sep 29 23:48 |
| MinceR | oh, also, maybe the Gratis Windows Foundation has some means to shut down hurd and shepherd and they'll use them at red hat's command | Sep 30 00:04 |
| MinceR | https://imgur.com/gallery/D0Ny7 | Sep 30 00:26 |
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| cubexyz | the problem in the old days was the expensive of unix workstations | Sep 30 00:57 |
| cubexyz | so almost everyone flocked to el cheapo white box PCs with windows | Sep 30 00:58 |
| cubexyz | this started in the early 1990s | Sep 30 00:58 |
| cubexyz | so you had a couple of generations that grew up with windows | Sep 30 00:58 |
| cubexyz | back in the late 1980s I really liked Sun4's and SunOS | Sep 30 00:59 |
| cubexyz | if I had the money I would have bought one... it was far superior to everything else at the time | Sep 30 00:59 |
| MinceR | it got worse | Sep 30 01:02 |
| MinceR | so much worse | Sep 30 01:02 |
| cubexyz | BSD based SunOS was quite good | Sep 30 01:03 |
| MinceR | almost as good as the BSD it was based on? | Sep 30 01:04 |
| cubexyz | some of the grey beards really liked SunOS | Sep 30 01:04 |
| cubexyz | I didn't really use it enough to know it well | Sep 30 01:04 |
| cubexyz | proprietary yes, so not ideal | Sep 30 01:05 |
| cubexyz | I'm just saying it was better than windows | Sep 30 01:05 |
| MinceR | and better than slowlaris | Sep 30 01:06 |
| MinceR | again, not saying much | Sep 30 01:06 |
| cubexyz | I actually thought 4.3BSD (or quasijarus, not exactly the same) was a bit messy | Sep 30 01:09 |
| cubexyz | you could run all the basic tcp/ip things on it | Sep 30 01:11 |
| cubexyz | ftp, ntp, ping, telnet, rlogin, sendmail... | Sep 30 01:11 |
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| cubexyz | there really should have been more BSD hobbyists | Sep 30 01:16 |
| cubexyz | but by 1995 it was mostly win95, a horrible era in computing | Sep 30 01:17 |
| cubexyz | and even though I was trying to sell yggdrasil and FreeBSD CDs hardly anyone was buying them | Sep 30 01:17 |
| cubexyz | many times people told me they thought Unix was too hard to learn | Sep 30 01:18 |
| MinceR | https://imgur.com/gallery/6gLxr | Sep 30 01:19 |
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| cubexyz | Sir Cosmo Duff Gordon? :) | Sep 30 01:21 |
| MinceR | ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ | Sep 30 01:22 |
| MinceR | oh. | Sep 30 01:22 |
| MinceR | i missed that one | Sep 30 01:23 |
| MinceR | i mean, the name | Sep 30 01:23 |
| linuxme1 | you must be mafioso | Sep 30 01:24 |
| linuxme1 | yep. 1995. i heard them all | Sep 30 01:25 |
| linuxme1 | perl and linux were actually a japanese invention | Sep 30 01:25 |
| XRevan86 | https://youtu.be/pgDHrCn9Z7s | Sep 30 01:25 |
| XRevan86 | reporter: You had some tactic from the start and you stuck with it? | Sep 30 01:25 |
| XRevan86 | the guy: From the start I had some tactic and I stuck with it. | Sep 30 01:25 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-"была ли у вас какая-то тактика с самого начала , которой вы придерживались" ? - YouTube | Sep 30 01:25 | |
| XRevan86 | (03:19:51) MinceR: https://imgur.com/gallery/6gLxr | Sep 30 01:25 |
| XRevan86 | A continuation of the Russia marathon inspired by this :) | Sep 30 01:26 |
| linuxme1 | it was not torvalds who has repeated videos of him admitting it wasn't his, him stealing, and him repeatedly going back to jail. all while on tv | Sep 30 01:26 |
| linuxme1 | he did minix | Sep 30 01:26 |
| linuxme1 | thats all | Sep 30 01:26 |
| linuxme1 | Stallman's a unique person | Sep 30 01:26 |
| linuxme1 | great quotes for a great innovator | Sep 30 01:26 |
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| XRevan86 | https://theguardian.com/science/2017/sep/01/paolo-macchiarini-scientist-surgeon-rise-and-fall | Sep 30 11:36 |
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| XRevan86 | Funny how a documentary about this man was called "A Leap of Faith" | Sep 30 11:36 |
| XRevan86 | Tells something about leaps of faith :). | Sep 30 11:37 |
| schestowitz | haha | Sep 30 11:44 |
| schestowitz | well, they frame as "faith" all sorts of things | Sep 30 11:44 |
| schestowitz | but not Catholicism etc. | Sep 30 11:44 |
| schestowitz | because it might "offend" or "trigger" the Conservative readers | Sep 30 11:45 |
| XRevan86 | schestowitz: Catholicism is not framed as "faith"? o_0 | Sep 30 11:46 |
| schestowitz | it's a lifestyle :-) | Sep 30 11:46 |
| XRevan86 | schestowitz: So, to be a Catholic, I don't need to believe in god or visit church, instead I need to eat bacon&eggs for breakfast? :) | Sep 30 11:47 |
| XRevan86 | Or visiting church is mandatory as a part of the lifestyle? %) | Sep 30 11:49 |
| XRevan86 | schestowitz: I'm not getting it :0 | Sep 30 11:55 |
| XRevan86 | :) | Sep 30 11:55 |
| XRevan86 | The Russian Orthodox Church brags about faith all the time, about how awesome it is to Believe in something (like MMM, amirite?) and even necessary. | Sep 30 12:09 |
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| TweetTuxMachines | #gnu #linux | Sep 30 13:02 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Ubuntu: Full Circle Magazine and Ubuntu Desktop, Server | Tux Machines | Sep 30 13:02 | |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | OSS: Code for NFV (OPNFV), Code for '3D Selfies', Code for Beeline and More | Tux Machines | Sep 30 13:07 | |
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| *TweetTuxMachines saw that retweet of @tuxmachinesby @schestowitz too | Sep 30 13:22 | |
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| MinceR | https://imgur.com/r/Justrolledintotheshop/QIVLD | Sep 30 14:10 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-We got a police cruiser in the shop today - Album on Imgur | Sep 30 14:10 | |
| MinceR | https://random.cat/i/eEcqu.jpg | Sep 30 14:26 |
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| MinceR | https://imgur.com/gallery/S9KztDK | Sep 30 14:41 |
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| robobox2 | is Trisquel Mini 6 a good GNU/Linux distro? I am trying it right now | Sep 30 18:05 |
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| MinceR | no | Sep 30 18:20 |
| MinceR | afaik it's at least as broken as Debian systemd/Linux | Sep 30 18:21 |
| MinceR | the only thing that delayed the cancer in trisquel was that they were way behind upstream (debian) | Sep 30 18:22 |
| MinceR | https://i.imgur.com/hkPjl67.jpg | Sep 30 18:27 |
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| *TweetTuxMachines @tuxmachines favourited '@ManCity @DeBruyneKev Not Chelsea's year. Back on top...' | Sep 30 18:58 | |
| *TweetTuxMachines @tuxmachines favourited retweet 'RT @schestowitz: @ManCity @DeBruyneKev Not Chelsea's year. Back...' | Sep 30 18:58 | |
| robobox2 | MinceR: Mini 6 was based on Ubuntu 12.04 | Sep 30 19:12 |
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| *TweetTuxMachines @tuxmachines favourited '@USAneedsTRUMP @realDonaldTrump Welcome to turnkey tyranny, with NDAA...' | Sep 30 19:12 | |
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| *TweetTuxMachines @tuxmachines favourited '@USAneedsTRUMP @realDonaldTrump As he put it https://t.co/iOpARfnVvU' | Sep 30 19:12 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz: @USAneedsTRUMP @realDonaldTrump As he put it https://t.co/iOpARfnVvU | Sep 30 19:12 | |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz: @USAneedsTRUMP @realDonaldTrump Your time is coming https://t.co/YrgprTmSb1 | Sep 30 19:12 | |
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| *TweetTuxMachines @tuxmachines favourited '@USAneedsTRUMP @realDonaldTrump This is what US politics have...' | Sep 30 19:12 | |
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| *TweetTuxMachines @tuxmachines favourited '@USAneedsTRUMP @realDonaldTrump The media hold you accountable for...' | Sep 30 19:13 | |
| MinceR | ah, so it's even more broken, like ubuntu? | Sep 30 19:17 |
| *TweetTuxMachines @tuxmachines favourited retweet 'RT @schestowitz: @USAneedsTRUMP @realDonaldTrump The media hold you...' | Sep 30 19:26 | |
| *TweetTuxMachines @tuxmachines favourited '@ManCity Wow! Clean sheet 5 games in a...' | Sep 30 19:26 | |
| DaemonFC | MinceR, I hate how Mozilla does their speed tests on Firefox and just calls it "Ubuntu 16". | Sep 30 19:28 |
| DaemonFC | Ubuntu 16? That could be two very different versions. | Sep 30 19:28 |
| DaemonFC | MinceR, For some reason, Fedora has disabled Firefox's Stylo CSS engine at compile time. | Sep 30 19:29 |
| DaemonFC | I haven't figured out why. Eventually they won't have the option though, so oh well. | Sep 30 19:29 |
| DaemonFC | The old CSS engine won't be around for long because who wants to carry two sets of code that do the same thing, only one of them is doing it slower and using more resources? | Sep 30 19:30 |
| DaemonFC | Heh, nice. Firefox 57 picks up some more things from your GTK theme. | Sep 30 19:40 |
| DaemonFC | MinceR, https://scontent-dft4-3.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t31.0-8/22136929_1571112229598715_236046570862690437_o.jpg?oh=b7700c9fbeab7a16349891b7e5bead49&oe=5A422000 | Sep 30 19:42 |
| DaemonFC | Someone is leaving these on CTA trains, putting them over the official warnings. | Sep 30 19:42 |
| DaemonFC | schestowitz might like that too. | Sep 30 19:43 |
| DaemonFC | Warning: Mosh pit on track level. :) | Sep 30 19:43 |
| DaemonFC | Everyone is getting fried by 600 volts of direct current. :D | Sep 30 19:44 |
| MinceR | expecting mozilla doing something reasonably? | Sep 30 19:48 |
| *TweetTuxMachines @tuxmachines favourited '@ManCity https://t.co/8wpMieM3hG' | Sep 30 19:48 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz: @ManCity https://t.co/8wpMieM3hG | Sep 30 19:48 | |
| MinceR | s/doing/to do/ | Sep 30 19:48 |
| MinceR | oh, clever. midori only _pretends_ to save pages, but doesn't actually save anything. | Sep 30 19:50 |
| MinceR | i guess displaying "oh hey, we actually couldn't be bothered to implement this" would have been too much fucking work | Sep 30 19:50 |
| MinceR | all. browsers. suck. | Sep 30 19:51 |
| DaemonFC | MinceR, That's probably the WebkitGTK+ bug. | Sep 30 19:51 |
| MinceR | could be | Sep 30 19:52 |
| DaemonFC | I remember something like that affecting GNOME Web. | Sep 30 19:52 |
| MinceR | i guess webkitgtk is still a huge pile of shit | Sep 30 19:52 |
| DaemonFC | Update to WebkitGTK+ 2.18. | Sep 30 19:52 |
| MinceR | and so's electron | Sep 30 19:52 |
| MinceR | qt5 won't even build. | Sep 30 19:52 |
| DaemonFC | Electrion? That's basically Chromium. | Sep 30 19:52 |
| MinceR | oh, right, chromium is also a huge pile of shit | Sep 30 19:52 |
| DaemonFC | MinceR, Electron apps are easy to write but horribly bloated. | Sep 30 19:53 |
| MinceR | and broken. | Sep 30 19:53 |
| MinceR | all this wants me to have good old khtml | Sep 30 19:54 |
| DaemonFC | MinceR, You mean the thing that can't render much except Wikipedia anymore? | Sep 30 19:57 |
| MinceR | ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ | Sep 30 19:57 |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines https://twitter.com/tuxmachines/status/914200337967280128 | Sep 30 19:59 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Today in Techrights https://t.co/7BCHJrY2Hg | Sep 30 19:59 |
| TweetTuxMachines | (www.tuxmachines.org) | Sep 30 19:59 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Today in Techrights | Tux Machines | Sep 30 19:59 | |
| DaemonFC | Commander Frosted Flakes says: | Sep 30 20:01 |
| DaemonFC | (Change) | Sep 30 20:01 |
| DaemonFC | The Federal fair housing laws do not mention sexual orientation at all. | Sep 30 20:01 |
| DaemonFC | The Obama administration was arguing in court they applied because of the protection of familial status, but the Trump administration inherited the lawsuit and changed its position to "these laws don't protect gay people at all", and that's what the Solicitor General for the United States is now arguing in court. | Sep 30 20:01 |
| DaemonFC | Sorry, but "close enough" is only good enough for horseshoes and hand grenades. Without the Illinois laws, there is nothing protecting me from discrimination in public accommodation unless Anthony Kennedy decides that there is. | Sep 30 20:01 |
| DaemonFC | If the Christian Fundamentalists win their lawsuit, they bring Indiana's RFRA to every state in the country, even if those states *had* stronger civil rights laws. Their goal is to impose RFRA on states that didn't pass it. | Sep 30 20:01 |
| MinceR | ooh, konqueror opens into a crash dialog | Sep 30 20:03 |
| MinceR | quality software! | Sep 30 20:03 |
| robobox2 | i tried konqueror 3.5.2 a while ago | Sep 30 20:03 |
| robobox2 | didnt even load wikipedia.org | Sep 30 20:03 |
| DaemonFC | KHTML isn't good for much other than rendering some HTML that remains in KDE itself. | Sep 30 20:04 |
| DaemonFC | Like the Classic Control Panel stuff. | Sep 30 20:04 |
| MinceR | i think this konqueror is even supposed to use webkit | Sep 30 20:06 |
| DaemonFC | Commander Frosted Flakes says: | Sep 30 20:07 |
| DaemonFC | (Change) | Sep 30 20:07 |
| DaemonFC | You give us about another generation of Christian Homeskeweling and vouchers and there won't be anyone left in Indiana who remembers how modern technology works. | Sep 30 20:07 |
| DaemonFC | It's exactly the kind of state that would have something like RFRA. | Sep 30 20:07 |
| DaemonFC | MinceR, ^ | Sep 30 20:07 |
| DaemonFC | Hungary can't be worse than that, can it? | Sep 30 20:07 |
| MinceR | it is | Sep 30 20:07 |
| MinceR | hungary doesn't even have the resources to be self-sufficient | Sep 30 20:07 |
| MinceR | yet Viktor the First pretends we can just piss off everyone and break all ties to everything | Sep 30 20:08 |
| robobox2 | I don't know how Webkit became popular because it was made by Apple... | Sep 30 20:09 |
| DaemonFC | MinceR, Do you see it becoming another failed state that requires EU bailout payments or has it gotten there already? | Sep 30 20:11 |
| MinceR | not sure, but it's probably there already | Sep 30 20:12 |
| DaemonFC | I was shocked to look aat just what happened to the economy of Greece. Economic output slashed by more than a third over the course of a couple of years. | Sep 30 20:12 |
| MinceR | it gets a lot of money from the EU | Sep 30 20:12 |
| DaemonFC | That's worse than anything I've seen. Worse than Japan. | Sep 30 20:12 |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines https://twitter.com/tuxmachines/status/914203062931161089 | Sep 30 20:12 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Our Last Time #Benchmarking #Ubuntu 32-bit vs. 64-bit | Sep 30 20:12 |
| TweetTuxMachines | https://t.co/2OfttmLYSO (www.tuxmachines.org) #gnu | Sep 30 20:12 |
| TweetTuxMachines | #linux #benchmark | Sep 30 20:12 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Our Last Time Benchmarking Ubuntu 32-bit vs. 64-bit | Tux Machines | Sep 30 20:12 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines https://twitter.com/tuxmachines/status/914206260022607872 | Sep 30 20:12 |
| TweetTuxMachines | #DragonFlyBSD 5.0 Branched As The Next Release | Sep 30 20:12 |
| TweetTuxMachines | https://t.co/zidlvf4pys (www.tuxmachines.org) #bsd #unix | Sep 30 20:12 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | DragonFlyBSD 5.0 Branched As The Next Release | Tux Machines | Sep 30 20:13 | |
| DaemonFC | MinceR, Even drowning in debt, Greece wants to spend 500 million Euro updating their Hydra class destroyers. (They have four of them.) | Sep 30 20:13 |
| DaemonFC | It's amazing what still gets prioritized when the government is broke, isn't it? | Sep 30 20:13 |
| DaemonFC | I mean, people are burning furniture for heat and the government is worried about some military spending that can wait a few years. | Sep 30 20:14 |
| MinceR | maybe they don't want erdogan to get any funny ideas | Sep 30 20:14 |
| DaemonFC | MinceR, Besides, it's not like anyone is going to invade them and they probably couldn't get much worse if they did. | Sep 30 20:15 |
| DaemonFC | The banks already effectively have invaded and overthrown the government. | Sep 30 20:15 |
| DaemonFC | bbiab | Sep 30 20:16 |
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| MinceR | https://imgur.com/gallery/kfunv | Sep 30 20:22 |
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| *TweetTuxMachines @tuxmachines favourited '@PalmerReport @realDonaldTrump And even those authoritarians who don't...' | Sep 30 21:04 | |
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| *TweetTuxMachines @tuxmachines favourited '@PalmerReport @realDonaldTrump And romancing with other Conservative loons...' | Sep 30 21:04 | |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz: @parkerbutler10 @realDonaldTrump @ricardorossello His days are numbered https://t.co/3JQezyr5Cx | Sep 30 21:04 | |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz: @Opesi_ @realDonaldTrump @ricardorossello Liar, liar https://t.co/dw3Jq8pKR1 | Sep 30 21:04 | |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz: @StrongDemocrat @realDonaldTrump Can't help himself https://t.co/8C19dyjsQd | Sep 30 21:04 | |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | GPD Pocket Ubuntu Editon Review | Tux Machines | Sep 30 21:19 | |
| MinceR | https://i.imgur.com/hx1j0Et.png | Sep 30 21:33 |
| *TweetTuxMachines @tuxmachines favourited '@donaldJTrump_ru @realDonaldTrump According to Fox, however, Trump is...' | Sep 30 21:44 | |
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| *TweetTuxMachines @tuxmachines favourited '@donaldJTrump_ru @realDonaldTrump Can't even properly speak English after...' | Sep 30 21:44 | |
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| *TweetTuxMachines @tuxmachines favourited '@donaldJTrump_ru @realDonaldTrump Liar. Silences his people. Loves to...' | Sep 30 21:44 | |
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| *TweetTuxMachines @tuxmachines favourited '@donaldJTrump_ru @realDonaldTrump It's a good thing there's Trump...' | Sep 30 21:44 | |
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| *TweetTuxMachines @tuxmachines favourited '@donaldJTrump_ru @realDonaldTrump Good thing she doesn't speak Spanish...' | Sep 30 21:45 | |
| *TweetTuxMachines @tuxmachines favourited retweet 'RT @schestowitz: @donaldJTrump_ru @realDonaldTrump Good thing she doesn't...' | Sep 30 21:45 | |
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| *TweetTuxMachines @tuxmachines favourited retweet 'RT @schestowitz: @donaldJTrump_ru @realDonaldTrump Da. Da. https://t.co/I3EuWpz8N3' | Sep 30 21:45 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz: @donaldJTrump_ru @realDonaldTrump Da. Da. https://t.co/I3EuWpz8N3 | Sep 30 21:45 | |
| *TweetTuxMachines @tuxmachines favourited '@donaldJTrump_ru @realDonaldTrump Da. Da. https://t.co/I3EuWpz8N3' | Sep 30 21:46 | |
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| MinceR | https://i.imgur.com/7uJcjIQ.gif | Sep 30 21:58 |
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| DaemonFC | Flatpak seems a bit bloated. | Sep 30 22:09 |
| DaemonFC | To install the Firefox Developer Edition Flatpak, you need to install GNOME libs from GNOME 3.24. Like 250 MB of them. | Sep 30 22:09 |
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| DaemonFC | And it doesn't respect your system theme. | Sep 30 22:17 |
| DaemonFC | This needs work. How is this superior to just downloading a Firefox bundle from Mozilla? | Sep 30 22:17 |
| schestowitz | DaemonFC: here's a thing | Sep 30 22:18 |
| schestowitz | I installed Firefox today | Sep 30 22:18 |
| schestowitz | twice | Sep 30 22:18 |
| schestowitz | and it crashed upon start | Sep 30 22:18 |
| schestowitz | once in a kde instance | Sep 30 22:18 |
| schestowitz | kf5 | Sep 30 22:18 |
| schestowitz | then gnome latest | Sep 30 22:18 |
| schestowitz | under chroot in crooton | Sep 30 22:19 |
| schestowitz | very odd | Sep 30 22:19 |
| schestowitz | the maintainer works for Google, so... | Sep 30 22:19 |
| DaemonFC | I've been trying out Developer Edition. | Sep 30 22:23 |
| MinceR | https://imgur.com/gallery/lwdY8 | Sep 30 22:23 |
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| DaemonFC | It has all that new Rust code and the new theme. | Sep 30 22:23 |
| MinceR | and mozilla making decisions for you | Sep 30 22:23 |
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| DaemonFC | https://wiki.mozilla.org/Oxidation | Sep 30 22:30 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-wiki.mozilla.org | Oxidation - MozillaWiki | Sep 30 22:30 | |
| DaemonFC | There's the status of Rust components. | Sep 30 22:30 |
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| DaemonFC | https://omtcyfz.github.io/2017/03/26/Rust-from-a-C++-programmers-perspective.html | Sep 30 22:41 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-omtcyfz.github.io | Rust from a C++ programmer's perspective | Sep 30 22:41 | |
| DaemonFC | "One of the problems C and C++ have to face is that there are too many compilers and most of them are horrible. Developers have to use obsolete standards (e.g. C++03 and even C++98) just because some compilers do not (fully) support modern ones. This prevents migration to newer standards and makes it harder to write good-quality code. There is also a number of closed compilers, which doesn’t make things easier. GC | Sep 30 22:42 |
| DaemonFC | C implements its own language extensions and while many projects make use of them it forces other compilers to support these extensions, sometimes they conflict with new standards and it makes things even more complicated. MSVC (until recently) couldn’t fully comply with C++11 and many projects dependent on Windows MSVC builds had or even now have to prohibit the the use some features in order to build with MSVC. T | Sep 30 22:42 |
| DaemonFC | o some degree, C++ compilers do very different things, some of which disrupt stability of the project builds on different platforms using different toolchains." | Sep 30 22:42 |
| DaemonFC | I think that was mostly a dig at MSVC. | Sep 30 22:42 |
| XRevan86 | DaemonFC: There are only two compilers worthy of consideration. | Sep 30 22:43 |
| DaemonFC | But he's correct that even though there's a standard, there are many compilers for C/C++ and they all make different interpretations of the standard at some point along the way, which can lead to unexpected results, so compiling that stuff with multiple compilers and seeing what the program does when you run it is the way to go. | Sep 30 22:43 |
| DaemonFC | Clang tries to be compatible with GCC though. | Sep 30 22:44 |
| XRevan86 | GCC is the standard de-facto of C/C++ compilers these days. | Sep 30 22:44 |
| DaemonFC | XRevan86, With Rust, there's only really one compiler. | Sep 30 22:44 |
| DaemonFC | So as long as they don't proliferate, the situation should be better on that front. | Sep 30 22:45 |
| MinceR | one does not have to support MSVC | Sep 30 22:45 |
| XRevan86 | DaemonFC: I don't see a practical difference of that with GCC %). | Sep 30 22:45 |
| MinceR | GCC and Clang should be enough, imo | Sep 30 22:45 |
| DaemonFC | There's no REASON to write another compiler for Rust because the official one is already under a suitable Free license. | Sep 30 22:45 |
| XRevan86 | Of course, I completely ignore Windows so my world view on C is extremely simpler. | Sep 30 22:46 |
| DaemonFC | MinceR, Microsoft has let their support for C/C++ degrade over time so people would use .Net. | Sep 30 22:46 |
| XRevan86 | When I ignore Windows, the world feels like a simpler, better place. So I'm doing that. For mental health. | Sep 30 22:47 |
| DaemonFC | "The common problem of large codebases implemented in C or C++ is leaking memory, even after C++ introduced RAII and tried to reduce the use of raw pointers and made an effort to suppress the ability of programmers to mess up with the memory. Rust takes the idea of safety to the extreme. There are several mechanisms preventing developers from writing vulnerable code, making them almost unable to cause programs to leak | Sep 30 22:47 |
| DaemonFC | memory, taking care of all references and making sure that there are no “dangling references”. The idea is simple: the unsafe code simply won’t compile. rustc will produce a number of warnings and messages making the developer think about one’s bad behavior for a while. In rare cases, one might use unsafe Rust constructions, but in 99.9% cases these are not necessary and therefore the number of vulnerabil | Sep 30 22:47 |
| DaemonFC | ities a piece of software may have tends to zero." | Sep 30 22:47 |
| DaemonFC | Should be "In almost all large C++ codebases there are an almost unlimited number of memory hazards." | Sep 30 22:48 |
| DaemonFC | Firefox has proven that. | Sep 30 22:48 |
| XRevan86 | Firefox has a pretty outdated C++ codebase, though. | Sep 30 22:49 |
| DaemonFC | Yeah, the oldest bits go back 20 years. | Sep 30 22:49 |
| DaemonFC | When they started using things like libfuzz and Address Sanitizer, they found thousands of bugs. | Sep 30 22:50 |
| MinceR | Rust does not take the idea of safety to the extreme. | Sep 30 22:51 |
| MinceR | doing so would make Rust useless | Sep 30 22:52 |
| MinceR | SIMPLE takes the idea of safety to the extreme. | Sep 30 22:52 |
| MinceR | https://stuff.mit.edu/afs/athena/project/w92/www/lesser-known.shtml | Sep 30 22:52 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-stuff.mit.edu | NO TITLE | Sep 30 22:52 | |
| MinceR | https://i.imgur.com/A1YxBd9.jpg | Sep 30 22:57 |
| *TweetTuxMachines @tuxmachines favourited '@JulianAssange Some have been proven and disproven already....' | Sep 30 23:09 | |
| *TweetTuxMachines @tuxmachines favourited '@JulianAssange The "security services" are now newspeak ...' | Sep 30 23:09 | |
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| *TweetTuxMachines @tuxmachines favourited '@JulianAssange Put a happy face and cartoons on...' | Sep 30 23:11 | |
| cubexyz | openbsd is a pretty good distro | Sep 30 23:13 |
| schestowitz | for desktop also? | Sep 30 23:15 |
| schestowitz | [21:53] <schestowitz> > I may or may not be offline a while later today as I try to reinstall | Sep 30 23:16 |
| schestowitz | [21:53] <schestowitz> > Devuan Jessie on my main machine and then attempt an upgrade to the | Sep 30 23:16 |
| schestowitz | [21:53] <schestowitz> > very, very incomplete Devuan Ascii. I'll give Devuan a few more months | Sep 30 23:16 |
| schestowitz | [21:53] <schestowitz> > to start to show signs of progress and then, if not, I'll bail and try | Sep 30 23:16 |
| schestowitz | [21:53] <schestowitz> > OpenBSD. The latter is actually much better but only when the hardware | Sep 30 23:16 |
| schestowitz | [21:53] <schestowitz> > is supported. I haven't checked this hardware yet. However, OpenBSD is | Sep 30 23:16 |
| schestowitz | [21:53] <schestowitz> > not for us plebs who can't / don't actively contribute code to the | Sep 30 23:16 |
| schestowitz | [21:53] <schestowitz> > project, especially C. | Sep 30 23:16 |
| schestowitz | [21:53] <schestowitz> OpenBSD would be a pain on a desktop. | Sep 30 23:16 |
| cubexyz | it depends... | Sep 30 23:16 |
| cubexyz | openbsd is a fine general OS for getting work done | Sep 30 23:17 |
| schestowitz | will it run applications like thunderbird? | Sep 30 23:17 |
| cubexyz | sure | Sep 30 23:19 |
| cubexyz | I don't use it but it's in the repo | Sep 30 23:19 |
| cubexyz | you have to understand openbsd for me is on a very low memory system | Sep 30 23:19 |
| XRevan86 | Time to check if Devuan did something with ascii's issue with rsyslog %) | Sep 30 23:19 |
| cubexyz | so no firefox, no thunderbird for me on openbsd | Sep 30 23:20 |
| cubexyz | and generally speaking I try to do as much as possible with text based programs | Sep 30 23:21 |
| cubexyz | so it's mutt instead of thunderbird | Sep 30 23:21 |
| XRevan86 | https://packages.devuan.org/devuan/pool/main/r/rsyslog/ ugh, nope, nothing changed here | Sep 30 23:22 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-packages.devuan.org | Index of /devuan/pool/main/r/rsyslog/ | Sep 30 23:22 | |
| cubexyz | and I switched cubelog over to irssi | Sep 30 23:22 |
| cubexyz | so that should be more reliable | Sep 30 23:22 |
| MinceR | https://imgur.com/gallery/rCAWS | Sep 30 23:22 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-supportive father - Album on Imgur | Sep 30 23:22 | |
| XRevan86 | So to this day one has to install rsyslog from https://packages.debian.org/jessie-backports/rsyslog | Sep 30 23:22 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-packages.debian.org | Debian -- Details of package rsyslog in jessie-backports | Sep 30 23:23 | |
| MinceR | mozilla can rot in hell with their beloved pulseaudio | Sep 30 23:23 |
| cubexyz | and links isn't bad as a text based web browser | Sep 30 23:23 |
| XRevan86 | (I prefer the a bit older version from jessie-backports because it'll be guaranteed to upgrade to the future Devuan's version of rsyslog when they're ready) | Sep 30 23:23 |
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| MinceR | especially when all the css/js-supporting browsers and engines are going to hell | Sep 30 23:28 |
| MinceR | (even more than they were before, that is) | Sep 30 23:28 |
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| *TweetTuxMachines @tuxmachines favourited '@thebradfordfile @realDonaldTrump Insecure cretin https://t.co/T69cnye0fQ' | Sep 30 23:37 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz: @thebradfordfile @realDonaldTrump Insecure cretin https://t.co/T69cnye0fQ | Sep 30 23:37 | |
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| *TweetTuxMachines @tuxmachines favourited '@thebradfordfile @realDonaldTrump He wants people to stand, as...' | Sep 30 23:37 | |
| DaemonFC | I don't really want to relearn everything, have a difficult installation, and find out it doesn't work well on my computer. | Sep 30 23:37 |
| DaemonFC | If I switch from hexchat it's probably going to be to Riot. | Sep 30 23:40 |
| DaemonFC | It has an IRC bridge to several networks and lets you view the backscroll even from when you weren't logged in from what I understand. | Sep 30 23:40 |
| DaemonFC | I haven't tried it out yet because the COPR doesn't have any Fedora 27 builds. I guess I could just change the $releasever to 26. | Sep 30 23:41 |
| cubexyz | there's some things I'm not thrilled with but I still use | Sep 30 23:42 |
| cubexyz | chromeos for example | Sep 30 23:42 |
| cubexyz | but it's chromeos + crouton so I can live with it | Sep 30 23:42 |
| cubexyz | it's hard to avoid firefox and chrome for online banking | Sep 30 23:45 |
| DaemonFC | https://www.privateinternetaccess.com/pages/dmca-policy | Sep 30 23:48 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.privateinternetaccess.com | DMCA Policy | Sep 30 23:48 | |
| DaemonFC | Nice. It turns Section 512 against them. | Sep 30 23:48 |
| DaemonFC | cubexyz, Webkit should work. They all support Safari. | Sep 30 23:49 |
| cubexyz | heh, I should try links or lynx with my bank and see what happens | Sep 30 23:49 |
| DaemonFC | Does Lynx support JS? | Sep 30 23:50 |
| DaemonFC | ELinks didn't. | Sep 30 23:50 |
| cubexyz | wow, a blank screen | Sep 30 23:50 |
| cubexyz | ummm, probably not | Sep 30 23:50 |
| DaemonFC | ELinks didn't support SSL either. :/ | Sep 30 23:50 |
| DaemonFC | It was a port of Lynx to DOS though.. | Sep 30 23:51 |
| cubexyz | I used to be able to access my router via lynx | Sep 30 23:51 |
| DaemonFC | Interesting. ELinks eventually added dsome JS support by using Firefox's Spidermonkey engine. | Sep 30 23:52 |
| DaemonFC | But it hasn't gotten an update since 2012. | Sep 30 23:52 |
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| cubexyz | ok, looks like I still can | Sep 30 23:52 |
| cubexyz | doesn't really work very well though | Sep 30 23:53 |
| DaemonFC | I would expect not. | Sep 30 23:54 |
| MinceR | https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w_MSFkZHNi4 | Sep 30 23:57 |
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| DaemonFC | https://motherboard.vice.com/en_us/article/d3yp9a/someone-made-an-ad-blocker-but-for-cryptocurrency-mining | Sep 30 23:59 |
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