IRC: #techrights @ FreeNode: July 7th, 2019 – July 13th, 2019

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MinceR	https://imgur.com/gallery/gqkt1sL	Jul 07 00:18
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-The Weekly Warhammer 40K dump Part XLVI - Album on Imgur		Jul 07 00:18
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XRevan86	MinceR: o_O	Jul 07 00:42
MinceR	:)	Jul 07 00:44
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MinceR	(audio:unimportant) https://vid.pr0gramm.com/2019/05/26/0f020a72a951a99e.mp4	Jul 07 02:55
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MinceR	https://imgur.com/gallery/Gcnqskm	Jul 07 04:09
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-viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: 4MLinux 29.1 released. http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/125612 [https://pleroma.site/objects/f78b5f1d-d20a-46c4-a7d3-2abd6076e080]		Jul 07 05:39
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-viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: A Toast to #TuxMachines http://schestowitz.com/royrianne/gallery/index.php/15-Year-Anniversary-Party-for-Tux-Machines/A-Toast-to-Tux-Machines [https://pleroma.site/objects/058e0a76-dcdf-4181-b8d7-942c84efd547]		Jul 07 06:11
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-viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: FOSS in Blockchains and Ethereum http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/125617 [https://pleroma.site/objects/baf20b31-a600-467c-9af6-220ffb10581c]		Jul 07 08:26
-viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: FOSS in Networks: BT, SD-WAN, CableLabs http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/125618 [https://pleroma.site/objects/cc89196c-36ac-4f99-8bf6-f2776ba5932e]		Jul 07 08:27
-viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: Games: #GameMode , #GameShell and #Arduboy http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/125619 [https://pleroma.site/objects/00a6f9d9-1923-4939-8ceb-78f65ebc45dd]		Jul 07 08:30
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-viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: Karma for #canonicalCanonical GitHub account hacked, Ubuntu source code safehttp://www.tuxmachines.org/node/125627Lesson: #deletegithub , stop giving #microsoft and the #nsa (Microsoft pioneered PRISM) #ubuntu code/work. [https://pleroma.site/objects/f70a01dc-58a8-44ca-9a20-6f48c6097578]		Jul 07 13:02
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-viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: Links 7/7/2019: 4MLinux 29.1 and Debian 10 Buster Released http://techrights.org/2019/07/07/debian-10-buster-released/ [https://pleroma.site/objects/a1d7a9d8-b140-4feb-98c4-2d144615de13]		Jul 07 14:15
XRevan86	https://github.com/tootsuite/mastodon/pull/11205 ugh	Jul 07 14:23
XRevan86	I'm officially overboard.	Jul 07 14:24
XRevan86	https://gnusocial.cc/notice/589333	Jul 07 14:27
schestowitz	something about gab?	Jul 07 14:39
*schestowitz did not click		Jul 07 14:39
XRevan86	schestowitz: No. Mastodon is removing OStatus.	Jul 07 14:39
schestowitz	hmmm	Jul 07 14:39
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schestowitz	why?	Jul 07 14:39
XRevan86	I will no longer be able to communicate with upstream latest Mastodon.	Jul 07 14:40
schestowitz	I mean, if it's already there and supported?	Jul 07 14:40
schestowitz	what idiocy	Jul 07 14:40
schestowitz	backward compat and interop must come first	Jul 07 14:40
schestowitz	ahead of perceived novelty	Jul 07 14:40
schestowitz	they make the mistake evan made	Jul 07 14:40
schestowitz	when ht eventually killed identca and then statusnet	Jul 07 14:40
schestowitz	with that pump.io nonsense, which meant we all lost everything we EVER posted	Jul 07 14:41
schestowitz	I had posted like 80k updated by then	Jul 07 14:41
schestowitz	updates	Jul 07 14:41
schestowitz	some replies to people, things I didn't have on other site	Jul 07 14:41
schestowitz	*sites like Twitter	Jul 07 14:41
XRevan86	schestowitz: I don't think Mastodon will suffer much. But I certainly will.	Jul 07 14:42
schestowitz	yup	Jul 07 14:46
schestowitz	this is what's infuriating about it	Jul 07 14:46
schestowitz	they act like a for-profit corporations	Jul 07 14:46
schestowitz	it's not about the technicality, just market share	Jul 07 14:46
schestowitz	like Microsoft deleting everyone's (DRM) books	Jul 07 14:47
schestowitz	because it's better this way... financially... only to Microsoft	Jul 07 14:47
MinceR	https://www.reddit.com/r/PoliticalHumor/comments/c9yonq/everyone_losing_is_better_than_someone_winning/	Jul 07 14:48
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XRevan86	MinceR: As if "socialists" is something bad	Jul 07 14:50
MinceR	it is	Jul 07 14:50
schestowitz	"In the 1970s, the company was the site of a worker-managed undertaking instituted in response to attempts by the ownership to sell the company to outside financial interests." https://www.counterpunch.org/2019/06/28/the-watchmakers-revolution/	Jul 07 14:51
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.counterpunch.org \| The Watchmakers Revolution		Jul 07 14:51
XRevan86	That explains why Mastodon screws me up	Jul 07 14:51
MinceR	(nsfw) https://66.media.tumblr.com/5e00fbece59706d0b76425043ba827b8/tumblr_ngdhwe5LJF1u4jn28o1_1280.png	Jul 07 14:51
oiaohm	Other than the few booting issues being reported the new amd gpu and cpus are looking quite good.	Jul 07 15:01
MinceR	>puts a dark green book cover under black text	Jul 07 15:20
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MinceR	very readable, thanks	Jul 07 15:20
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MinceR	https://ircz.de/p/19061847	Jul 07 15:43
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oiaohm	MinceR there is worse on book covers. I am attempting to remember the book. Black cover with Black Text but it was slighly shiny so from the right angle you could read the title.	Jul 07 15:45
oiaohm	MinceR: and that evil was a series of 20 books.	Jul 07 15:46
MinceR	:>	Jul 07 15:46
oiaohm	MinceR: https://www.magnation.com/products/nuuna-graphic-large-notebook-black-smooth-bonded-leather-black-book This is not those 20 nasty books to sort in library. But this is a notebook with the same kind of black on black setup.	Jul 07 15:50
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.magnation.com \| Nuuna Graphic Large Notebook Black Smooth Bonded Leather - Black Book – mag nation		Jul 07 15:50
oiaohm	Black on dark green so so bad. Black on Black is kind of worse.	Jul 07 15:51
MinceR	i still had to select the paragraph to read it	Jul 07 15:52
oiaohm	MinceR: if that a website https://github.com/danrabbit/harvey they failed to conform to WCAG standards.	Jul 07 15:55
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-GitHub - danrabbit/harvey: The hero that Gotham needs right now		Jul 07 15:55
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MinceR	https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Pc0ZHsoHAlE	Jul 07 16:13
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-George Carlin - National Press Club [complete] - YouTube		Jul 07 16:13
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-viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: System76's USA-made and Ubuntu Linux-powered Thelio desktop now available with 3rd gen AMD Ryzen processors http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/125636 [https://pleroma.site/objects/6edc31d5-ddc7-4912-bb26-f018a5ce86a7]		Jul 07 16:31
MinceR	(audio:unimportant) https://pr0gramm.com/top/3283410 ( https://vid.pr0gramm.com/2019/06/28/4ea39b90968c862c.mp4 )	Jul 07 16:48
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XRevan86	label: shower	Jul 07 16:52
MinceR	yeah	Jul 07 16:52
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schestowitz	http://lxer.com/module/forums/t/36615/	Jul 07 17:06
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-LXer: Dunno 'bout anyone else, but...: Microsoft asks to join private Linux security developer list		Jul 07 17:06
schestowitz	AuthorContent	Jul 07 17:06
schestowitz	Ridcully	Jul 07 17:06
schestowitz	Jul 01, 2019	Jul 07 17:06
schestowitz	5:22 PM EDTWhere Microsoft is concerned, I am always doubtful of their motives. Can the leopard change its shorts ? What does everyone else think ?	Jul 07 17:06
schestowitz	seatex	Jul 07 17:06
schestowitz	see comments that follow....	Jul 07 17:06
MinceR	https://vid.pr0gramm.com/2019/06/28/8b6b15b644b3da4c.mp4	Jul 07 17:14
oiaohm	I do agree I don't think Microsoft has changed their spots. I just think Microsoft is getting more and more dependant on Linux.	Jul 07 17:16
oiaohm	Its not like developing operating systems is exactly cheap.	Jul 07 17:16
oiaohm	Or that they have been exactly good at it.	Jul 07 17:16
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MinceR	https://full.pr0gramm.com/2019/05/25/5c8d27312eba6326.jpg	Jul 07 17:36
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-viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: The Corporate Media Deliberately Distorts the Public's Opinion on Microsoft and Its 'Love' for Linux http://techrights.org/2019/07/07/media-rewriting-history-books/ [https://pleroma.site/objects/5198b06c-4d6b-4bd0-bae1-5aaa69060946]		Jul 07 17:41
MinceR	https://vid.pr0gramm.com/2019/06/28/954bbb76a9eddac3.mp4	Jul 07 18:14
DaemonFC[m]	Or that they have been exactly good at it.	Jul 07 18:22
DaemonFC[m]	That's certainly part of the problem.	Jul 07 18:22
DaemonFC[m]	If garbage like Windows 10 is the best they can do, why does anyone want them to contribute to Linux?	Jul 07 18:22
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oiaohm	DaemonFC[m]: the one thing Microsoft is good at is getting hardware vendors to configure stuff they way they want.	Jul 07 18:24
oiaohm	DaemonFC[m]: so in someways the more dependant Microsoft comes on Linux the more likely hardware will be somewhat Linux friendly.	Jul 07 18:26
MinceR	what DaemonFC[m] said	Jul 07 18:30
friendofafriend	They've got to love Linux to stay relevant.	Jul 07 18:30
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friendofafriend	It has nothing to do with ethics and everything to do with the market.	Jul 07 18:30
MinceR	m$ and gkh will make linux irrelevant	Jul 07 18:30
DaemonFC[m]	Well, their customers were increasingly just going around them and using Linux anyway.	Jul 07 18:33
DaemonFC[m]	So it wasn't doing them any good to try to ignore the "problem".	Jul 07 18:34
friendofafriend	Sorry, what's a "gkh"?	Jul 07 18:34
schestowitz	grek k-h	Jul 07 18:40
schestowitz	novell/lf man	Jul 07 18:40
schestowitz	now working for jim zemlin	Jul 07 18:41
MinceR	also the number one proponent of kdbus	Jul 07 18:49
MinceR	https://img.pr0gramm.com/2019/07/07/9f3bc306920e5364.jpg	Jul 07 18:53
oiaohm	MinceR: that did in the end lead around to fixing up signals.	Jul 07 19:00
schestowitz	Blue-eyed cat	Jul 07 19:01
MinceR	and to the compromise of the quality control of the linux project, but who's counting	Jul 07 19:01
oiaohm	MinceR: greg kroah-hartman is incharge of the staging area of the Linux kernel. Area where perfect quality is not required. So saying something is acceptable to enter staging is not a major tick of approval.	Jul 07 19:04
MinceR	kdbus and hype-V is not merely imperfect, they're absolutely, conceptually shit	Jul 07 19:05
MinceR	s/is/are/	Jul 07 19:05
oiaohm	On the scale of stuff that has been excepted into staging in the past and has shaped up they are only minor level disasters. With hyper-v stuff Microsoft has found out rule of being in staging is that patches have come with every linux release to improve it or greg removes it.	Jul 07 19:09
oiaohm	Basically being accepted into staging sections of Linux kernel does not mean you code will stay long term.	Jul 07 19:09
MinceR	there was no need to merge kdbus anywhere	Jul 07 19:11
DaemonFC[m]	dbus-broker ostensibly fixes many of the performance and reliability problems of the original dbus implementation.	Jul 07 19:11
oiaohm	Also greg did not push for kdbus include only that it was at acceptable code level for staging and there was real issue there that need to be considered.	Jul 07 19:11
MinceR	linus said what needed to be done as the first step which the "developers" did not do: profile dbus.	Jul 07 19:11
DaemonFC[m]	I can't imagine why you'd want to push it down into the kernel now.	Jul 07 19:11
MinceR	DaemonFC[m]: does it make clients reconnect automatically if the daemon is restarted?	Jul 07 19:11
MinceR	yes, greg did push for the merge of kdbus	Jul 07 19:11
MinceR	it only stopped at Linus.	Jul 07 19:11
oiaohm	MinceR: No you need to read what greg in fact wrote.	Jul 07 19:12
MinceR	it does not bode well for the project that there's only one sane person in its management	Jul 07 19:12
DaemonFC[m]	https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Changes/DbusBrokerAsTheDefaultDbusImplementation	Jul 07 19:12
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-fedoraproject.org \| Changes/DbusBrokerAsTheDefaultDbusImplementation - Fedora Project Wiki		Jul 07 19:12
DaemonFC[m]	https://github.com/bus1/dbus-broker/wiki/Reliability	Jul 07 19:14
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Reliability · bus1/dbus-broker Wiki · GitHub		Jul 07 19:14
oiaohm	MinceR: remember as maintainer of the staging section of the Linux kernel greg did not have to put it kdbus forwards for full peer review. But he did. Lets just say greg does not care if he plays the devil at times to get a nice detailed set of posts.	Jul 07 19:18
MinceR	and then the crybully army put him in charge of the project	Jul 07 19:19
oiaohm	MinceR: if you look at the changes in dbusbroker they come from the lkml review of kdbus.	Jul 07 19:21
MinceR	the fact that they needed kernel developers to review their code speaks way too much about the whole dbugs project	Jul 07 19:22
oiaohm	Without greg doing what he did there would not have been the review. Lot of different parties long before kdbus liked pick apart any greg solo patch set.	Jul 07 19:23
oiaohm	MinceR: its just greg he plays devil advocate from time to time. You can tell by his writing when he up to that. He is way too postive. Normal patch sets have the upsides and downsides of the alterations from greg. When he as gone devil there are only postives mentioned with the patchset.	Jul 07 19:25
oiaohm	That nicely triggers those who know him to audit the patchset like mad.	Jul 07 19:25
oiaohm	Greg has a very different management style to Linus. Linus yells at you for being wrong. Greg gets a stack of different people to yell at him for him being wrong and says see I not accepting your patch because all these people hate it.	Jul 07 19:27
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MinceR	(audio:unimportant) https://pr0gramm.com/top/3283234 ( https://vid.pr0gramm.com/2019/06/28/7af7b73b99089bce.mp4 )	Jul 07 19:39
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MinceR	https://i.imgur.com/NgnHCIN.jpg	Jul 07 20:09
DaemonFC[m]	dbus-broker is Linux only and with hard dependencies on systemd.	Jul 07 20:19
DaemonFC[m]	So the original dbus implementation will now be abandoned, I suppose.	Jul 07 20:19
MinceR	so the usual garbage	Jul 07 20:19
DaemonFC[m]	I guess Red Hat figures that enough things will depend on systemd that nothing else will work anymore.	Jul 07 20:20
MinceR	too bad cancerd doesn't work either	Jul 07 20:21
MinceR	https://i.imgur.com/ORK953B.mp4 ( https://imgur.com/gallery/DHk85TT )	Jul 07 20:46
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XRevan86	MinceR: The editing is not perfect.	Jul 07 20:49
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schestowitz	nice	Jul 07 20:59
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schestowitz	different when you're a cat	Jul 07 21:11
schestowitz	then it's "pussy staring at tits"	Jul 07 21:12
MinceR	:>	Jul 07 21:14
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MinceR	https://i.imgur.com/WhTXTt8.jpg	Jul 07 21:52
schestowitz	lol	Jul 07 21:53
XRevan86	(I hope he's "lying" though)	Jul 07 21:55
MinceR	why?	Jul 07 21:56
XRevan86	MinceR: Could qualify as a mental condition, to actually consider rising from the dead in any way a possibility.	Jul 07 21:58
XRevan86	Instead of focusing on invasions from space.	Jul 07 21:58
MinceR	lol	Jul 07 22:00
MinceR	what if the space invaders' first strike is to make the dead rise, though?	Jul 07 22:00
XRevan86	MinceR: Unsalvagable.	Jul 07 22:02
MinceR	huh?	Jul 07 22:02
XRevan86	MinceR: Dead bodies are pretty much dead.	Jul 07 22:03
XRevan86	i for one welcome our new space overlords ack ack ack ack	Jul 07 22:04
XRevan86	No longer useful as organisms that walk and stuff. The only feasable application is a bioreactor.	Jul 07 22:11
MinceR	or a chassis that hides their nanobot swarms that turn them into a fighting force	Jul 07 22:12
MinceR	then again, shoelaces aren't going to stop those	Jul 07 22:13
XRevan86	MinceR: But then again, you could just use rocks and make much more efficient golems with those.	Jul 07 22:14
XRevan86	than trying to animate a sack of organic material that's seen better days	Jul 07 22:15
MinceR	doesn't have quite the same effect	Jul 07 22:15
XRevan86	MinceR: Yea, it's more deadly.	Jul 07 22:15
MinceR	there's no "having to fight your own dead" in it	Jul 07 22:16
XRevan86	there's a saying	Jul 07 22:16
XRevan86	"don't play with your food"	Jul 07 22:16
MinceR	that applies to vampires and ghouls, not zombies	Jul 07 22:17
XRevan86	MinceR: I don't mean that zombies are going to do the eating. That's absurd.	Jul 07 22:17
MinceR	brains.	Jul 07 22:17
XRevan86	If aliens are going to bring death to humanity, why bother with screwing around with it first?	Jul 07 22:17
XRevan86	MinceR: some nanobots	Jul 07 22:18
MinceR	so that they can't mount an appropriate response	Jul 07 22:18
XRevan86	MinceR: Golems won't do the trick?	Jul 07 22:20
MinceR	they're not gruesome enough	Jul 07 22:20
XRevan86	or maybe unleashing nanobots on the population	Jul 07 22:20
MinceR	and not as obviously local	Jul 07 22:21
XRevan86	An unstoppable disease, what's more peachy than that	Jul 07 22:21
MinceR	maybe they don't want to bring their big guns out in step 1	Jul 07 22:21
MinceR	then again, a nanobot-based zombie plague would be an unstoppable disease	Jul 07 22:22
XRevan86	MinceR: Except you don't need dead bodies.	Jul 07 22:22
XRevan86	living bodies will suffice	Jul 07 22:22
XRevan86	Granted that's exactly what most scenarios do.	Jul 07 22:22
MinceR	doesn't matter, the shoelaces won't help	Jul 07 22:22
XRevan86	MinceR: exactly	Jul 07 22:22
MinceR	they might as well start with the dead bodies	Jul 07 22:22
MinceR	https://i.imgur.com/PPfjVWX.mp4 ( https://imgur.com/gallery/PPfjVWX )	Jul 07 22:23
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MinceR	(audio:important) https://i.imgur.com/2cCR9yt.mp4 ( https://imgur.com/gallery/6OttQhe )	Jul 08 06:46
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oiaohm	Really I miss the advertising stunts like this https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Mk3qkQROb_k	Jul 08 17:35
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XRevan86	I saw that one :)	Jul 08 17:38
XRevan86	But I still dislike Java.	Jul 08 17:40
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oiaohm	XRevan86: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SYRlTISvjww&list=RDMk3qkQROb_k&index=5 I guess you saw this one as well.	Jul 08 17:41
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oiaohm	Like I miss them they are fun.	Jul 08 17:42
XRevan86	oiaohm: No, I haven't	Jul 08 17:42
XRevan86	I've seen some newer SUSE songs	Jul 08 17:42
oiaohm	XRevan86: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wm2h0cbvsw8 This one is quite warp and sad at the same time.	Jul 08 18:04
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oiaohm	Really it shows how bad NIH is.	Jul 08 18:04
*XRevan86 recognises: Django, WSGI (duh), Tornado… and that's it		Jul 08 18:07
oiaohm	XRevan86: I have had to deal with about 70 percent of the ones listed.	Jul 08 18:07
oiaohm	Doing company support.	Jul 08 18:08
XRevan86	oh, I also saw Flask there	Jul 08 18:08
XRevan86	> Laravel	Jul 08 18:08
oiaohm	boost is the C++ ABI busted nightmare.	Jul 08 18:10
XRevan86	> jQuery, Bootstrap, Angular, React	Jul 08 18:10
XRevan86	oiaohm: An absolute fun to debug.	Jul 08 18:10
XRevan86	Does WSGI even count as a framework?	Jul 08 18:12
XRevan86	An oddball in the list.	Jul 08 18:14
oiaohm	I would say its about the only one the writer of that song gets really wrong. https://wsgi.readthedocs.io/en/latest/frameworks.html	Jul 08 18:16
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oiaohm	WSGI is more a protocol that many frameworks use.	Jul 08 18:16
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DaemonFC[m]	John is telling everyone I cleaned him out.	Jul 09 03:00
DaemonFC[m]	If "Barely got out with my birth certificate, social security card, and a few changes of clothing" counts as "cleaned him out".	Jul 09 03:01
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schestowitz	"boot issue on 2019 Linux distribution releases doesn't appear to be firmly resolved yet but some are believing it is an RdRand instruction issue on these newer processors manifested by #systemd ." https://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=Ryzen-3K-RdRand-Systemd-Maybe	Jul 09 03:42
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schestowitz	systemd	Jul 09 03:42
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XRevan86	MinceR: It seems Icelandic has ð and þ as two distinct letters for the voiced and voiceless variants.	Jul 09 08:25
MinceR	indeed	Jul 09 08:40
schestowitz	Icelandic language looks really weird. The accentuation.	Jul 09 08:57
schestowitz	https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Birgitta	Jul 09 08:58
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-en.wikipedia.org \| Birgitta - Wikipedia		Jul 09 08:58
schestowitz	Oops, I meant Birgitta Jónsdóttir	Jul 09 08:58
schestowitz	https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Birgitta_J%C3%B3nsd%C3%B3ttir	Jul 09 08:58
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-en.wikipedia.org \| Birgitta Jónsdóttir - Wikipedia		Jul 09 08:58
XRevan86	> The last name is patronymic, not a family name	Jul 09 08:59
XRevan86	hah	Jul 09 08:59
XRevan86	Birgitta Jónsovna	Jul 09 08:59
XRevan86	schestowitz: Those are separate letters. Akin to what the Polish alphabet does.	Jul 09 09:00
XRevan86	(and Polish also has the letter "ó")	Jul 09 09:01
XRevan86	Apparently in Icelandic "ó" means "ow", like how "o" is in most English words.	Jul 09 09:02
XRevan86	trope → tróp, or something like that	Jul 09 09:03
XRevan86	or float → flót as a second example	Jul 09 09:04
XRevan86	So "Jóns" I expect to sound just like "Jones" in English.	Jul 09 09:06
XRevan86	except for "j" meaning a sound like in "yikes"	Jul 09 09:06
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schestowitz	>>>> Assuming bots themselves are the threat/weakness. AppArmor founder went	Jul 09 09:55
schestowitz	>>>> to work at Microsoft shortly after Novell had sold out to Microsoft -- a	Jul 09 09:55
schestowitz	>>>> stain that's hard for me to get over.	Jul 09 09:55
schestowitz	>>> Hmm. Maybe that's why there's been no progress on development for very	Jul 09 09:55
schestowitz	>>> many years, maybe around 10.	Jul 09 09:55
schestowitz	>> When Crispin left some people still worked on it, but not for long.	Jul 09 09:55
schestowitz	> I recall one high-priority rated bug that has been left undealt with	Jul 09 09:55
schestowitz	> since 2011.	Jul 09 09:55
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schestowitz	hi decnet	Jul 09 10:08
schestowitz	you always come here while I'm away	Jul 09 10:08
decnet	hi there ..	Jul 09 10:09
schestowitz	and by the time you send messages and all I see them you're already offline	Jul 09 10:09
schestowitz	so we've back to covering gnu/linux and msft moe	Jul 09 10:09
schestowitz	*more	Jul 09 10:09
decnet	My PC packed in there for a while, it was the heat, I cleaned all the contacts and it seems to be working ok, finders crossed ..	Jul 09 10:10
decnet	I just popped in and am off out now, when would be a convened time to catch up?	Jul 09 10:11
decnet	Going .. going .. gone .. talk to you later ...	Jul 09 10:13
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schestowitz	ok	Jul 09 10:13
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oiaohm	schestowitz: remember with that patent deal Microsoft signed themselves in with OIN. Part of that is fair treatment. That could have landing on the free software for partners.	Jul 09 13:06
schestowitz	right, but...	Jul 09 13:13
schestowitz	see what they did to Foxconn after that	Jul 09 13:13
schestowitz	which proved, IMHO, Microsoft is still looking for buckets of cash for patents	Jul 09 13:14
schestowitz	OIN has some explaining to do	Jul 09 13:14
schestowitz	but I probably burned some bridges now	Jul 09 13:14
schestowitz	I has two very long phonecalls from Keith B	Jul 09 13:14
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DaemonFC[m]	see what they did to Foxconn after that	Jul 09 16:25
DaemonFC[m]	Microsoft and Foxconn attacking each other? Seems fair. Foxconn doesn't worry too much about Linux compatibility and runs those suicide factories for Apple.	Jul 09 16:26
DaemonFC[m]	$1,200+ for an iPhone these days and the plant has to install nets for when workers can't take it anymore and throw themselves off the roof. Horrible.	Jul 09 16:29
oiaohm	schestowitz: https://www.openinventionnetwork.com/community-of-licensees/ OIN design only protects those who join. Foxconn is not one of those. I would give you OIN design could be better.	Jul 09 16:34
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oiaohm	schestowitz: yes IBM buying redhat gives them 2 seats on the OIN board.	Jul 09 16:36
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DaemonFC[m]	The charge/sync port on my phone failed.	Jul 09 19:03
DaemonFC[m]	I found a coupon to get it replaced for $80.	Jul 09 19:03
DaemonFC[m]	They offered to swap out the battery for $35 while I'm at it.	Jul 09 19:03
oiaohm	DaemonFC[m]: do watch the place. Some use salvaged ports instead of new ports.	Jul 09 19:07
oiaohm	DaemonFC[m]: I am presuming android device here sorry. Iphone they are mostly salvaged due to horriblely limited supply.	Jul 09 19:08
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DaemonFC[m]	Yeah....Read "Only Apple supplies them, so the only source is scrap iPhones from someone else, otherwise the firmware would throw a bogus error and tell the iPhone victim to go to the Apple Store.".	Jul 09 19:10
DaemonFC[m]	Samsung replacement parts are widely available because they authorize repair centers. I could take my phone to anywhere, really. Might go to Micro Center if I was still in Chicago. They did a great job on my laptop.	Jul 09 19:11
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XRevan86	https://mastodon.social/@Clipsey/102383899301285149 this thread just makes me sick.	Jul 09 20:01
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decnet	Hello ..	Jul 09 21:13
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MinceR	https://vid.pr0gramm.com/2019/06/28/4f50a7348f991109.mp4	Jul 09 21:18
decnet	Haa, that ill get him fired over health and safety violation	Jul 09 21:22
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MinceR	(audio) https://vid.pr0gramm.com/2019/05/31/9dfbe4ee82916eb5.mp4	Jul 09 21:25
decnet	This is what the Internet was designed for p0rn and pictures of your cats :]	Jul 09 21:28
MinceR	:)	Jul 09 21:29
MinceR	i do not own cats	Jul 09 21:29
MinceR	some do visit my holiday house, though	Jul 09 21:29
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decnet	bye ..	Jul 09 22:00
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XRevan86	I hate cats. Every night.	Jul 10 00:57
XRevan86	I have an increasingly more severe case of sleep deprivation.	Jul 10 00:57
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XRevan86	I also hate mosquitoes.	Jul 10 01:24
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scientes	you mean them killing each other? Or mating (its hard to tell the difference)	Jul 10 02:34
scientes	XRevan86, has anyone done research on the feasibility of Russians recycling?	Jul 10 02:34
scientes	(I heard that recycling is rare)	Jul 10 02:35
scientes	"While living in St. Petersburg for some time now, I have spotted exactly one [recycling bin]." https://www.letsdoitworld.org/2017/02/recycling-in-russia/	Jul 10 02:36
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scientes	"The people saw how the waste from different containers was poured together into the same truck. Due to this they didn’t start to trust the new system and continued to use the old containers for the non-separated garbage. "	Jul 10 02:38
scientes	yeah i have to agree with that	Jul 10 02:38
scientes	I have had plenty of lazy people tell me that the garbage is all recycled, and they are all piece-of-shit liars. Including hotels.	Jul 10 02:38
scientes	We should throw those people in the trash, in the hopes that someone will recycle them.	Jul 10 02:39
scientes	(or rather, the faith)	Jul 10 02:39
scientes	They should be required to pull the cart themselves, like was done with the water cart.	Jul 10 02:45
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schestowitz	unlike your cat hate, this one is common and understandable	Jul 10 07:18
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scientes	XRevan86, for all your talk of Ukrainian, what about Polish? There is a language you can call a language.	Jul 10 12:58
scientes	That is underappreciated.	Jul 10 12:58
scientes	(not that I know much about it, beside from playing Bóg się rodzi.	Jul 10 12:58
XRevan86	scientes, schestowitz: They beg for my attention the first half of the night.	Jul 10 13:04
scientes	???	Jul 10 13:04
XRevan86	I have two cats	Jul 10 13:05
scientes	oh yes you were saying	Jul 10 13:05
scientes	ahh, but that is differen't	Jul 10 13:05
scientes	i thought you meant you were bothered by the sounds of cat fights	Jul 10 13:05
XRevan86	One is meowing like crazy, the other is attacking furniture.	Jul 10 13:05
scientes	I once got to hear a cat die, I think it was a racoon	Jul 10 13:05
scientes	but it also could have just been cat sex	Jul 10 13:05
XRevan86	So I had my whole night booked	Jul 10 13:06
scientes	кот	Jul 10 13:06
XRevan86	After they've calmed down, mosquitoes came.	Jul 10 13:06
scientes	you don't have screens on your windows?	Jul 10 13:07
XRevan86	scientes: I have but they're rubbish.	Jul 10 13:07
scientes	yes, they always tear	Jul 10 13:07
*scientes has never tried sewing them together...		Jul 10 13:07
XRevan86	They're dented somewhat, gives some space.	Jul 10 13:09
scientes	I went onto the Facebook of some old friend from High School, and she had more Spanish there than English.	Jul 10 13:09
scientes	.....	Jul 10 13:09
pav5088	crimsafe window screens tear sheathes off cats claws. I'm not sure if they enjoy it, but they keep doing it.	Jul 10 13:10
XRevan86	scientes: Ukrainian is closer to Russian and I have friends for whom it is a native language, so it's just easier for me to make heads and tails of it (:	Jul 10 13:10
scientes	it seems seems like a bastardization of Russian to me, from the sense that only Russian has literature	Jul 10 13:11
XRevan86	pav5088: Yes, one my cat loves it.	Jul 10 13:11
scientes	(as an outsider)	Jul 10 13:11
scientes	I mean, English started that way, but it isn't anymore	Jul 10 13:11
XRevan86	scientes: Any dialectal differentiation would seem that way.	Jul 10 13:11
XRevan86	scientes: It's not a simplified language.	Jul 10 13:12
scientes	yes Haitian Creole	Jul 10 13:12
scientes	*like	Jul 10 13:12
XRevan86	It also has some features lost in Greater Russian.	Jul 10 13:13
scientes	interesting	Jul 10 13:13
XRevan86	For instance, there's an inflection for calling someone's name.	Jul 10 13:14
XRevan86	or not necessarily a name, just calling	Jul 10 13:14
scientes	does English have any inflections?	Jul 10 13:14
XRevan86	Боже, друже, человече	Jul 10 13:14
scientes	oh yes https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Inflection#Examples_in_English	Jul 10 13:15
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XRevan86	scientes: Hm, I guess suffixes like -ing count.	Jul 10 13:15
scientes	yeah the English ones are all quite simple	Jul 10 13:15
scientes	except perhaps "yourself"	Jul 10 13:15
XRevan86	A more specific word would be a case	Jul 10 13:16
XRevan86	https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vocative_case	Jul 10 13:17
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scientes	I spoke to a Peruvian here that had great English, but he always used the normal inflection. As I could understand him perfectly, and it would be a watse of time for him to learn them, I didn't correct him.	Jul 10 13:17
XRevan86	Right, vocative	Jul 10 13:17
XRevan86	So yea, Greater Russian doesn't really have it (although it has a simplified neologism like "Петь" instead of "Петя") and special exceptions like Bozhe	Jul 10 13:19
scientes	вугастиница	Jul 10 13:20
XRevan86	scientes: What?	Jul 10 13:20
scientes	Probably got the cyrillic wrong	Jul 10 13:20
scientes	like "in a hotel"	Jul 10 13:20
scientes	or "in a restaurant"	Jul 10 13:21
XRevan86	В гостинице	Jul 10 13:21
scientes	ahh, it wasn't that far off	Jul 10 13:21
scientes	i got all the consonants right	Jul 10 13:21
XRevan86	You used the nominative case :)	Jul 10 13:21
XRevan86	The use of the vocative in Ukrainian is threatened too, though. Because of all the learners of it as a second language.	Jul 10 13:23
scientes	I heard that German is loosing the practice of putting the main verb at the end	Jul 10 13:24
scientes	because of the influence of English	Jul 10 13:24
XRevan86	Doesn't seem like a big loss :)	Jul 10 13:25
scientes	which gives high german its flavor: you have to wait till the end to get the action word	Jul 10 13:25
XRevan86	You till the end have to wait	Jul 10 13:25
scientes	English is also loosing "whom"	Jul 10 13:25
scientes	because even native speakers are too uneducated to know how to use it	Jul 10 13:26
scientes	https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t_tl7OsI72Y	Jul 10 13:27
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XRevan86	scientes: The distinction between who does the action and who is the victim of the said action is apparently hard to grasp %)	Jul 10 13:27
scientes	*The distinct of who does the action upon who? :)	Jul 10 13:27
scientes	*distinction	Jul 10 13:27
scientes	who does the action upon whom	Jul 10 13:28
scientes	damn, its disappearing	Jul 10 13:28
XRevan86	I use who/whom perfectly and instinctively. I suppose having an inflective language as a native language helps.	Jul 10 13:28
XRevan86	scientes: Who does the action upon whom, yes	Jul 10 13:29
scientes	its because I watched that video that does it wrong right before typing that	Jul 10 13:29
XRevan86	scientes: I think that it's inevitable considering that words like "me", "him" lost their meaning as well.	Jul 10 13:30
XRevan86	"Who kicked him?" – "Me."	Jul 10 13:31
scientes	oh, good example	Jul 10 13:31
oiaohm	https://9to5google.com/2019/07/08/microsoft-android-share-menu-ads/ Microsoft is still finding new underhanded ways.	Jul 10 13:31
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scientes	I was struggling to think about that one until that very correct example	Jul 10 13:31
XRevan86	"Me" implies being a receiver of the action, but the question was about being a doer.	Jul 10 13:31
scientes	I mean, the I vs. me is even a stereotype of teachers	Jul 10 13:32
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scientes	Like "He and I went...."	Jul 10 13:32
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XRevan86	scientes: I've seen some weird stuff	Jul 10 13:32
XRevan86	Some people try to avoid "me and him" so much they say "about he and I"	Jul 10 13:33
scientes	hahaha	Jul 10 13:33
scientes	its cause they never internalized inflection	Jul 10 13:34
scientes	so they really don't know what they are doing	Jul 10 13:34
XRevan86	Rather, cases	Jul 10 13:34
scientes	just responding to teacher's criticism	Jul 10 13:34
scientes	oh yes, cases	Jul 10 13:34
scientes	<XRevan86> You till the end have to wait	Jul 10 13:34
scientes	This isn't correct	Jul 10 13:34
scientes	Till the end you have to wait.	Jul 10 13:34
XRevan86	It only affects pronouns after all.	Jul 10 13:35
XRevan86	scientes: Yea :)	Jul 10 13:35
scientes	but that is German order	Jul 10 13:35
XRevan86	scientes: And the alternative English one.	Jul 10 13:35
XRevan86	OSV	Jul 10 13:36
XRevan86	A thing kicked a thing. – nothing happens to the nouns. It's all the same to them.	Jul 10 13:37
scientes	yes, so it is baggage to the language when it is used so rarely	Jul 10 13:38
scientes	however, the flexibility that there are so few inflections makes English more flexible on the words that are allowed	Jul 10 13:38
scientes	like in Spanish they say "Googolear" because Google isn't sufficiently Spanish	Jul 10 13:38
XRevan86	scientes: In Russian both the noun and the verb have been internalised.	Jul 10 13:39
XRevan86	гугл, гуглить	Jul 10 13:39
scientes	hahaha It	Jul 10 13:39
scientes	Google It!	Jul 10 13:40
XRevan86	Пойду погуглю́ в Яндексе.	Jul 10 13:40
XRevan86	So no problem there (:	Jul 10 13:40
scientes	it took the english phrase too however	Jul 10 13:41
scientes	гуглить as a verb	Jul 10 13:41
XRevan86	scientes: Only because it could	Jul 10 13:42
XRevan86	I suppose the word "искать" is not specialised enough. I still try to avoid that jargon (because I don't like Google).	Jul 10 13:43
XRevan86	It's a surprise for me that there are slightly more SOV languages than SVO %)	Jul 10 13:46
XRevan86	> In German, a basic sentence such as "Ich sage etwas über Karl" ("I say something about Karl") is in SVO word order. When a noun clause marker like "dass" or "wer" (in English, "that" or "who" respectively) is used, the verb appears at the end of the sentence for the word order SOV.	Jul 10 13:48
XRevan86	scientes: It's also interesting that English used to have a special nominative pronoun "ye", but then it fell out of use.	Jul 10 13:49
XRevan86	scientes: So for the second-person pronoun the process already happened centuries ago.	Jul 10 13:50
scientes	oh yes ye	Jul 10 13:53
scientes	would have forgot if you didn't mention it	Jul 10 13:53
scientes	like your reading of English, I can read that stuff fine, because its about the learning curve	Jul 10 13:53
scientes	*of Ukranian	Jul 10 13:53
scientes	the thou stuff can get tedious however, but that is mostly because those translators (and it only shows up in translations for some reason) are arrogant stupid pricks	Jul 10 13:54
scientes	the only place thou is still allowed (according to me) is the King James Bible	Jul 10 13:54
scientes	The the Russian translation of the Bible standardized?	Jul 10 13:55
oiaohm	scientes: really bible transitions are a mess of different biases by those who did it.	Jul 10 13:56
scientes	well duh	Jul 10 13:56
scientes	but that wasn't my question	Jul 10 13:56
scientes	although interestingly the new catholic translation does not suggest virgin birth	Jul 10 13:57
oiaohm	scientes: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Religion_in_Russia There is not 1 group of christian in Russia. Eastern Orthodox Church is the dominate and https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eastern_Orthodox_Church If you notice the languages here they have inside their church bible translated multi times.	Jul 10 14:01
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oiaohm	scientes: I did not say it kind well enough. Basically Christians of Russia the dominated you are looking at a group using bibles of multi different translations that have attempted to be standardized with different levels of absolute failure.	Jul 10 14:02
scientes	> with different levels of absolute failure.	Jul 10 14:03
scientes	ok, that was my question	Jul 10 14:03
scientes	English is mostly similar, there is really only one "standard" translation: KJV because it was basically the first, and the one of the Anglican (Episcopalian) church	Jul 10 14:04
oiaohm	I was attempting to answer you question the first time just wrote it badly.	Jul 10 14:04
scientes	and since has been standardized as the only bible of the Church of Ladder-day Saints	Jul 10 14:04
oiaohm	Even in english bibles you have over 50 different translations these days.	Jul 10 14:05
scientes	"Even", I would more say "of course"	Jul 10 14:05
scientes	That is kinda what Protestantism+Puritanism is all about	Jul 10 14:05
oiaohm	scientes: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/King_James_Version there are 4 versions in some form of english of the KJV	Jul 10 14:06
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oiaohm	scientes: I had to do bibble research for a church at one point and I was setting up the presentation computer.	Jul 10 14:07
oiaohm	When you have different speakers coming in and wanting you to project up a section of a bible you really do need to ask what one.	Jul 10 14:07
oiaohm	and you do need the year of publication.	Jul 10 14:07
oiaohm	scientes: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_English_Bible_translations 50 was light on at least 87 different English translations of the bible. And that not covering all the part ones.	Jul 10 14:11
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oiaohm	Christianity is meant to be praying to 1 god but Christianity cannot agree on one book to the be word of that god.	Jul 10 14:13
scientes	they also seem in agreement that Jesus is god	Jul 10 14:13
scientes	....but talk of such things is a great way to piss people off	Jul 10 14:14
XRevan86	scientes: I don't know that much about the Bible.	Jul 10 14:14
scientes	I know enough to know that few people do	Jul 10 14:14
oiaohm	Having to run the presentation system in a church with visiting speakers taught you how big of a mess the bible was.	Jul 10 14:15
scientes	its not a mess	Jul 10 14:15
scientes	I mean it is	Jul 10 14:15
scientes	but why should it be perfect	Jul 10 14:15
scientes	that is the whole problem with protestants	Jul 10 14:15
XRevan86	I'd guess that the canon translation is the one made under the patriarch Nikon in Church Slavonic from Greek.	Jul 10 14:15
oiaohm	Also its the funny things that are absolutely not true.	Jul 10 14:15
scientes	XRevan86, but that isn't even Russian	Jul 10 14:16
oiaohm	Like the 10 commandments. Most people would say 10 commandments is part of Christianity right. Little problem they don't in fact exist in bible text.	Jul 10 14:16
XRevan86	scientes: The language of the Russian Orthodox Church is Church Slavonic.	Jul 10 14:17
scientes	oiaohm, Exodus 20 and Deuteronomy 5	Jul 10 14:17
XRevan86	I probably won't be wrong if I'll say that at least that was the last (and first) major reinterpretation of the Bible in the Russian Orthodox Church	Jul 10 14:18
XRevan86	scientes: To be fair, the path between Church Slavonic and Greater Russia is not a big one.	Jul 10 14:18
XRevan86	Russian*	Jul 10 14:19
oiaohm	scientes: Exodus is 17 commandments and Deueronomy is 15.	Jul 10 14:19
scientes	oh geeze	Jul 10 14:19
scientes	stop being such a protestant	Jul 10 14:19
scientes	the Jews probably have a differn't counting scheme all together	Jul 10 14:19
scientes	the Jews county 613 Mitzvots	Jul 10 14:20
oiaohm	scientes: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ten_Commandments the table here is a good compare between the common christian religion groups.	Jul 10 14:20
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XRevan86	https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Elizabeth_Bible	Jul 10 14:21
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oiaohm	10 commandments is not part of the bible but a christian religion leadership invention.	Jul 10 14:21
scientes	..except they are jewish	Jul 10 14:23
oiaohm	scientes: please note protestant do believe there is 10 commandments as well.	Jul 10 14:23
scientes	yes	Jul 10 14:23
scientes	and that isn't a bad thing	Jul 10 14:23
scientes	im just critizing the literal interpretations	Jul 10 14:24
oiaohm	I am what you call a bible researcher who looking at the source material.	Jul 10 14:24
scientes	such a reading is frankly stupid	Jul 10 14:24
oiaohm	To be correct Deueronomy is 16 not 15 I got that wrong. With merging covering both properly we should have between 12-13 commandments.	Jul 10 14:25
oiaohm	For some reason we had to cut back to 10 because we had 10 fingers.	Jul 10 14:25
XRevan86	> I know enough to know that few people do	Jul 10 14:25
XRevan86	scientes: I'm an atheist :)	Jul 10 14:25
scientes	or rather the general population	Jul 10 14:25
oiaohm	I was very sick when I was young and I have read many bibles cover to cover.	Jul 10 14:26
scientes	XRevan86, I really liked "Life of Pi" which presents an argument that people should be atheist or religious, but not agnostic.	Jul 10 14:26
oiaohm	Because bibles was kind of a item in hospital you could always get clean ones of.	Jul 10 14:26
oiaohm	I did like the one recently that a group was looking back in time for when noah ark was meant to be and found out the ship should be round.	Jul 10 14:28
oiaohm	So most people idea of what noah ark looks like is no where near close.	Jul 10 14:29
oiaohm	Really I do have to wonder how much of what we believe of history is totally wrong.	Jul 10 14:31
scientes	....you are missing the point	Jul 10 14:31
XRevan86	scientes: Most agnostics I saw are just atheists who think being an atheist means being certain there is absolutely no deity.	Jul 10 14:31
scientes	or to use an idiom: you are missing the forrest for the trees	Jul 10 14:31
scientes	that's not how I felt when I was an agnostic	Jul 10 14:32
scientes	well, maybe it was	Jul 10 14:32
oiaohm	https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Agnosticism agnostic is nice warpped thing.	Jul 10 14:34
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oiaohm	You can be agnostic and be religionous or atheist	Jul 10 14:35
XRevan86	> "human reason is incapable of providing sufficient rational grounds to justify either the belief that God exists or the belief that God does not exist."	Jul 10 14:35
XRevan86	I call this Falsifiability, but what do I know :)	Jul 10 14:35
XRevan86	oiaohm: A religious agnostic is something I am yet to see.	Jul 10 14:36
oiaohm	Being agnostic does not mean you cannot have faith.	Jul 10 14:36
XRevan86	So, being BOTH Captain Obvious and religious?	Jul 10 14:37
XRevan86	clearly there's a need for a term for that :)	Jul 10 14:37
oiaohm	Religious agnositc in christian case has faith that god exists and also beleives there is no way to prove that god does or does not exist.	Jul 10 14:37
scientes	it exists in bi-polar patients	Jul 10 14:38
XRevan86	then I am yet to see a religious non-agnostic %)	Jul 10 14:38
scientes	or rather, suffers from mania	Jul 10 14:38
scientes	I don't really like the modern medical terms, they are very judgemental	Jul 10 14:38
XRevan86	Point me in a direction of a religious person who thinks it is possible to prove god's existence.	Jul 10 14:39
oiaohm	XRevan86: you have seen those claiming miracles as proof good exists say hello religious non-agnositc they beleive they have proof god exists and gets really upset if you disprove their so call miracles.	Jul 10 14:39
oiaohm	XRevan86: good/god	Jul 10 14:39
XRevan86	(and who isn't developing TempleOS in their free time)	Jul 10 14:39
scientes	XRevan86, you mean impossible haha	Jul 10 14:39
XRevan86	oiaohm: ah… now I see	Jul 10 14:40
scientes	I actually am kinda that person	Jul 10 14:40
scientes	I've gotten more religious, but I really don't believe god exists	Jul 10 14:41
XRevan86	Rituals for the sake of rituals?	Jul 10 14:41
scientes	well, like taking a day off work	Jul 10 14:41
XRevan86	Or the social component? Sense of belonging or something.	Jul 10 14:41
scientes	yeah exactly	Jul 10 14:41
scientes	although the local Synagogue kicked me out because of it....	Jul 10 14:41
XRevan86	scientes: You could get the same thing in a local DnG community :D	Jul 10 14:42
XRevan86	* DnD	Jul 10 14:42
oiaohm	scientes: so you closer to Buddhist teachings where it the way you live your live not what you believe in.	Jul 10 14:42
scientes	religious people are so nasty	Jul 10 14:42
scientes	I don't know how else to say it	Jul 10 14:42
XRevan86	scientes: They actually believe all this stuff.	Jul 10 14:43
scientes	they really like using politics in very inappropiate ways	Jul 10 14:43
oiaohm	Really lot of so called religious people I don't call that.	Jul 10 14:43
oiaohm	Because a lot of them use their text of their religion to suit their ends.	Jul 10 14:43
scientes	oiaohm, Book of Job is very similar to Buddhism	Jul 10 14:43
XRevan86	- We don't like the new pension age!	Jul 10 14:44
XRevan86	Patriarch: Calm down, it's not that bad, remember about the afterlife…	Jul 10 14:44
oiaohm	Like going to church to pray away all their sins and learn nothing from their mistakes while claiming to be religious really annoys the crap out of me.	Jul 10 14:44
scientes	Russia invented the pension, and they haven't given it up yet	Jul 10 14:45
XRevan86	scientes: They really want to.	Jul 10 14:45
scientes	and TBH, I think very little of bus drivers in the US that only talk about retiring and collecting their pension	Jul 10 14:45
scientes	what a sad excuse for a human being	Jul 10 14:45
XRevan86	They only have practical reasons not to do that. Like that then they won't be able to collect a pension tax from workers.	Jul 10 14:46
XRevan86	Fun fact: some working pensioneers pay more with a pension tax that they get from the pension system.	Jul 10 14:47
scientes	those that make more	Jul 10 14:47
XRevan86	* than they	Jul 10 14:47
XRevan86	scientes: Those who have a pension below minimum wage.	Jul 10 14:47
scientes	what, you mean it isn't a curve?	Jul 10 14:48
scientes	A pension is a form of fealty.	Jul 10 14:48
oiaohm	scientes: the book of job and the religions suspect to be the base buddhism appear to come from the same area. So simlarities there is not a surprise to those who have looked at maps of human movements and when those text are guessed to be first created.	Jul 10 14:48
scientes	both to the old, AND to the state	Jul 10 14:48
XRevan86	scientes: It is very easy to be thrown under the bus by the pension institution.	Jul 10 14:48
scientes	in what ways?	Jul 10 14:49
oiaohm	In religion we are not a split as most people think. Yet we still go to war just because or religion even between religions with exactly the same historic roots.	Jul 10 14:49
oiaohm	Humans are warring morons.	Jul 10 14:50
XRevan86	scientes: Let's say in USSR you worked on a factory. Then the 90s came, the factory was set on fire, no records of what they payed workers were left.	Jul 10 14:50
oiaohm	I would guess any alien race would say.	Jul 10 14:50
XRevan86	scientes: From the Pension Foundation's perspective you were unemployed for decades.	Jul 10 14:50
scientes	XRevan86, oh yes, and you would get the run-around by the beurocrats	Jul 10 14:50
XRevan86	and so you'll get a social pension	Jul 10 14:50
scientes	that want to hold on to the money	Jul 10 14:50
XRevan86	and live in a box or something	Jul 10 14:51
XRevan86	or work	Jul 10 14:51
XRevan86	if you can	Jul 10 14:51
scientes	do you get a pension when you work?	Jul 10 14:51
scientes	or do they cut it off	Jul 10 14:51
XRevan86	scientes: Yes, but like I said, also pay pension taxes.	Jul 10 14:52
scientes	oh that is kinda silly	Jul 10 14:52
XRevan86	scientes: I think they do lower it a little bit.	Jul 10 14:52
XRevan86	I don't remember how.	Jul 10 14:52
scientes	for everyone, or just those on the social pension?	Jul 10 14:52
XRevan86	scientes: I think there are additional benefits, like for being in an expensive city, and they strip it from working one.	Jul 10 14:53
XRevan86	ones	Jul 10 14:53
scientes	oh i see, that sort of makes sense however.	Jul 10 14:54
XRevan86	scientes: Despite paying the pension tax, the existing pension is not going to be indexed by it.	Jul 10 14:54
scientes	I mean they would just kick the old out of the city to somewhere cheaper if it wasn't a political issue	Jul 10 14:55
scientes	In China I hear Shenzhen is all youth	Jul 10 14:55
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decnet	Hi there all ..	Jul 10 16:52
decnet	dum de dum de dum ..	Jul 10 16:59
XRevan86	decnet: hi	Jul 10 16:59
decnet	Hi there .. I am a refugee from a tech support role ..	Jul 10 17:00
XRevan86	decnet: Did you try rebooting it?	Jul 10 17:01
decnet	No, I've done my bit .. now I'm retired from tech .. spend most pf the time watching videos ..	Jul 10 17:04
decnet	I do read some tech sites 'Hacker News' 'The Register'	Jul 10 17:06
decnet	Any other recommendations ?	Jul 10 17:07
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schestowitz	[17:06] <decnet> I do read some tech sites 'Hacker News' 'The Register'	Jul 10 17:12
schestowitz	we're in the front page of Hacker News today	Jul 10 17:12
schestowitz	second time in a week	Jul 10 17:12
schestowitz	last week they censored it after it had made the front page	Jul 10 17:12
decnet	I'll go and have a look .. brb	Jul 10 17:13
decnet	Can I have a link to the HN article?	Jul 10 17:15
schestowitz	https://www.reddit.com/r/TechnologyAddicted/comments/cbezey/microsoft_attempting_to_destroy_the_careers_of/	Jul 10 17:16
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.reddit.com \| Microsoft Attempting to Destroy the Careers of Its Critics : TechnologyAddicted		Jul 10 17:16
schestowitz	the previous one (last week) was about Torvalds	Jul 10 17:16
schestowitz	some MSFT apologists in the comments	Jul 10 17:16
schestowitz	using the typical smears	Jul 10 17:17
schestowitz	"conspiracy theory" a classic	Jul 10 17:17
decnet	The quoted bits are from a respected security researcher?	Jul 10 17:19
-viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: Understanding Your Disk Space Through ‘df’ Command in Linux http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/125735 [https://pleroma.site/objects/803757d3-c862-4c90-9702-7f9ffb8af3bf]		Jul 10 17:20
decnet	MS is releasing a utility to test your machine for compatibility with the latest Windows. This machine was old when I bought it and runs the latest Ubuntu no-problem.	Jul 10 17:23
schestowitz	https://twitter.com/sjoerdapp/status/1148900834798907392	Jul 10 17:27
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@sjoerdapp: 💯🔛🖥@Microsoft: Microsoft Attempting to Destroy the Careers of Its Critics https://t.co/diz3w5YVss $MSFT #Microsoft… https://t.co/FP4b2f9xvl		Jul 10 17:27
schestowitz	"@Microsoft: Microsoft Attempting to Destroy the Careers of Its Critics https://on.sjoerd.app/2JqM53V $MSFT #Microsoft #Technology #Tech #MSFT #digitaltransformation"	Jul 10 17:27
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@sjoerdapp: 💯🔛🖥@Microsoft: Microsoft Attempting to Destroy the Careers of Its Critics https://t.co/diz3w5YVss $MSFT #Microsoft… https://t.co/FP4b2f9xvl		Jul 10 17:27
schestowitz	decnet: their sys res are insane	Jul 10 17:27
decnet	'sys res' ?	Jul 10 17:28
schestowitz	reqs	Jul 10 17:28
schestowitz	typo	Jul 10 17:28
schestowitz	someone told me days ago that inside Microsoft they never get uptime of weeks	Jul 10 17:28
schestowitz	lots of reboots	Jul 10 17:28
schestowitz	the programmers	Jul 10 17:28
schestowitz	and they have like 32gb of ram	Jul 10 17:28
schestowitz	i never needed more than	Jul 10 17:28
schestowitz	2	Jul 10 17:28
decnet	Yes, you need a supercomputer to work a keyboard and mouse and draw 3-d widgets on a screen :]	Jul 10 17:29
decnet	I can boot from a 4GB use and get a full desktop ..	Jul 10 17:30
schestowitz	https://twitter.com/hn_frontpage/status/1148897853231812609	Jul 10 17:35
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decnet	re: MS threatening its critics, looks like what's old is new again :]	Jul 10 17:44
oiaohm	https://lkml.org/lkml/2019/7/9/543 Hmm wonder how this debate will go. Is it going to be another fired Microsoft programmer.	Jul 10 17:46
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schestowitz	reddit as well now https://www.reddit.com/r/bprogramming/comments/cbfafq/microsoft_attempting_to_destroy_the_careers_of/	Jul 10 17:47
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psydroid	I have a laptop with 32 GB of RAM with Windows 10 installed on the first SSD	Jul 10 18:24
schestowitz	too much ram	Jul 10 18:25
psydroid	I would get random crashes even when running Linux in Virtualbox	Jul 10 18:25
MinceR	too much windows	Jul 10 18:25
schestowitz	unless you have million row databases or something	Jul 10 18:25
MinceR	nah, the "modern" web would be sufficient	Jul 10 18:25
schestowitz	spreadsheets etc.	Jul 10 18:25
schestowitz	video editing	Jul 10 18:25
schestowitz	i never had a machine with more 2gb of ram	Jul 10 18:26
psydroid	so I never touch it, I just use it to install firmware updates	Jul 10 18:26
schestowitz	the machines i use cost just over 100 pounds	Jul 10 18:26
MinceR	even virtualization tends to eat RAM	Jul 10 18:26
psydroid	I have an Orange Pi with 2 GB of RAM that I use as my desktop, it works fine for most things	Jul 10 18:27
psydroid	but most of my machines have a bit more RAM	Jul 10 18:28
psydroid	but it's surprising to me that they can't even keep it stable at Microsoft of all places	Jul 10 18:29
MinceR	https://imgur.com/gallery/pLD81qw	Jul 10 18:32
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oiaohm	schestowitz: I need machines with more than 2gb of ram quite a bit.	Jul 10 18:46
psydroid	I just bought the laptop because of my university studies and it came with 8 GB, but I decided to max it out	Jul 10 18:50
psydroid	I run Linux on it 99.9% of the time, but the first 6 months I had some issues getting it working with my second SSD, which I had bought for the purpose of running Linux	Jul 10 18:50
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oiaohm	psydroid: its webbrowsers that have the habit of eating me out of 2gb of ram when I have many tabs open.	Jul 10 19:13
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psydroid	oiaohm, I am surprised that Firefox is pretty lean these days, I've been moving over to it on all my devices recently	Jul 10 19:15
schestowitz	[18:50] <psydroid> I run Linux on it 99.9% of the time, but the first 6 months I had some issues getting it working with my second SSD, which I had bought for the purpose of running Linux	Jul 10 19:15
schestowitz	ssd loses data without charge	Jul 10 19:15
schestowitz	(also expensive.. and the patents)	Jul 10 19:16
XRevan86	psydroid: A good moment to tell that Fennec is being deprecated %).	Jul 10 19:16
psydroid	so you use exclusively HDDs?	Jul 10 19:16
oiaohm	psydroid: I still have issues where I find memory leaks in firefox.	Jul 10 19:16
psydroid	XRevan86, in favour of what? :)	Jul 10 19:17
XRevan86	psydroid: Fenix, which is expected to be ready in September.	Jul 10 19:17
psydroid	oiaohm, I had a discussion about this on Christopher Blizzard's blog back in 2008, I had to restart Firefox all the time back then and now a bit less often	Jul 10 19:18
psydroid	with*	Jul 10 19:18
psydroid	oh wait, it was correct	Jul 10 19:18
oiaohm	psydroid: I will give you its improved. Being a 4G gives you a bit more room when it goes wrong.	Jul 10 19:21
oiaohm	psydroid: Its nothing strange for me to have firefox, libreoffice and chromuim all open at once.	Jul 10 19:21
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oiaohm	All not exactly light on memory.	Jul 10 19:22
psydroid	oiaohm, I used Chromium a lot before as well, but with the recent developments with respect to add-ons I have been trying to move to Firefox/Fennec across the board	Jul 10 19:24
psydroid	even though I am not completely satisfied with Mozilla either	Jul 10 19:25
oiaohm	Its getting simple to get 4G ram devices these days.	Jul 10 19:26
MinceR	don't tell the web "developers"	Jul 10 19:27
MinceR	oops, too late	Jul 10 19:27
oiaohm	Web developers don't consider increasing core count also means increasing ram requirement.	Jul 10 19:27
oiaohm	I do like to aim for roughly 1 G of ram per core/thread at least.	Jul 10 19:28
psydroid	fortunately I don't do web development, I wouldn't be able to stand working with most of the technologies	Jul 10 19:29
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oiaohm	Really for some proto stuff its annoying the PI4 has stuffed up USB C wiring.	Jul 10 19:38
oiaohm	So I will have to wait for next revision of that.	Jul 10 19:38
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psydroid	I also waited for a few revisions to pass before I got my board	Jul 10 19:43
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MinceR	web developers shouldn't rely on increasing core count either	Jul 10 20:25
MinceR	they should be beaten until they learn that their shitty page is not the only thing that's going to run on the client computer	Jul 10 20:26
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oiaohm	MinceR: with video processing and other things I need to allocate based on core count.	Jul 10 20:32
MinceR	none of which belongs in a web browser	Jul 10 20:32
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DaemonFC[m]	Part of a Facebook post:	Jul 10 20:40
DaemonFC[m]	If cars were made the way iPhones are, you would dispose of the whole car the first time it needed a brake job because you weren't allowed to get to the brakes. And even if someone could get to the brakes, it would be far too expensive at that point, and the car would refuse to turn on when the new brakes were installed.	Jul 10 20:40
DaemonFC[m]	If it's not acceptable for a car to be thrown away every 40,000 miles, why is it acceptable for an iPhone? Retail: $1,249+tax	Jul 10 20:40
DaemonFC[m]	Apple can put as many solar panels as it wants near its data centers. Won't cover 0.1% of the environmental damage of the iThings and the Macs.	Jul 10 20:41
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DaemonFC[m]	They're talking about a small solar installation in North Carolina when covering the entire state in solar panels wouldn't offset their other activities.	Jul 10 20:43
DaemonFC[m]	Same thing happened when I needed a new keyboard for my laptop. They said, "Oh, those are $100. Don't you want a new laptop?". I said, "I paid $1,200 for this one in 2016. Linux runs fine on it. If I got a new one, I'd have to figure out how to remove Windows 10 again. Just get me a new keyboard.".	Jul 10 20:44
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MinceR	https://ircz.de/p/19061621	Jul 10 20:52
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MinceR	https://ircz.de/p/1402222	Jul 10 21:29
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oiaohm	https://packages.ubuntu.com/eoan/chromium-browser this is nice hell with 19.10 ubuntu. Yes this package is hey you asked for the chromium-browser by apt we are now installing snap package	Jul 10 22:00
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MinceR	your fault for using n00buntu	Jul 10 22:01
XRevan86	nayebuntu	Jul 10 22:02
XRevan86	I'm sorry	Jul 10 22:02
oiaohm	MinceR: I don't use ubuntu. But this alteration also effects all distributions based off ubuntu as well.	Jul 10 22:03
MinceR	which are also all garbage	Jul 10 22:03
oiaohm	I don't know how many packages in 19.10 will turn out to be just snap package redirect.	Jul 10 22:03
XRevan86	"I don't use ubuntu", "all distributions based off ubuntu" – not really how that works :)	Jul 10 22:03
MinceR	just like n00buntu, debian, and all the other systemd/Linux distributions	Jul 10 22:03
XRevan86	oiaohm: But I suppose they could just undo this.	Jul 10 22:04
XRevan86	"just"	Jul 10 22:04
oiaohm	XRevan86: how many packages will it be will the the problem and distributions based on ubuntu may not have enough resources todo it themselves.	Jul 10 22:05
oiaohm	We could see a increase in distributions based on mainline debian.	Jul 10 22:05
XRevan86	https://launchpad.net/~canonical-chromium-builds/+archive/ubuntu/stage this exists. I wonder for how long	Jul 10 22:05
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XRevan86	Status update: I love cats.	Jul 10 22:19
XRevan86	Let's see how the night goes however %).	Jul 10 22:19
MinceR	:3	Jul 10 22:22
cubexyz	there's still the non systemd version of debian though yes?	Jul 10 22:29
MinceR	yes, devuan	Jul 10 22:30
MinceR	fighting a seriously uphill battle	Jul 10 22:30
cubexyz	blah, azure ads on distrowatch	Jul 10 22:32
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cubexyz	I usually stick with a combination of slackware or slackware derived distros plus openbsd	Jul 10 22:34
MinceR	:( re azure	Jul 10 22:40
MinceR	which slackware derivative would you recommend to someone who wants lots of working binary packages?	Jul 10 22:41
cubexyz	vector linux I guess	Jul 10 22:41
MinceR	what if i don't want to pay?	Jul 10 22:41
cubexyz	ummm, vector should be a free download	Jul 10 22:42
cubexyz	wow, microsoft ads on the vector site also	Jul 10 22:43
cubexyz	no escaping them it seems	Jul 10 22:43
MinceR	wasn't vector the one where had to pay for most or all nontrivial editions?	Jul 10 22:43
MinceR	i escape them with uBlock Origin	Jul 10 22:43
cubexyz	as far as I can tell, you can download all the iso files for free	Jul 10 22:44
cubexyz	they accept donations of course	Jul 10 22:44
cubexyz	vector linux classic is my go-to OS for old games	Jul 10 22:46
cubexyz	loki/LGP/etc	Jul 10 22:46
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-viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: More People Are Coming Out: Microsoft Tried to Get Them Fired for Standing in Microsoft's Way (the 'One Microsoft Way') http://techrights.org/2019/07/10/corporate-equivalent-of-doxing/ [https://pleroma.site/objects/e907af79-9fc2-4ffb-aec8-329a9488daa3]		Jul 10 23:21
-viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: Games: Albion Online, Psyonix, Godhood and NetBSD/GSoC http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/125757 [https://pleroma.site/objects/cec04568-2e30-4974-a244-11f9187bb259]		Jul 10 23:41
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MinceR	https://i.imgur.com/998mQ9y.jpg	Jul 11 00:11
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-viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: Arm-based SBC has PoE, WiFi/BT, and optional Sub-1GHz, 802.15.4, GPS, and LTE http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/125759 [https://pleroma.site/objects/14e4aa8d-6f38-44ae-829d-0998c6f26177]		Jul 11 00:34
-viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: Fedora: Cockpit 198, EPEL, and Fedora Community Departure http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/125760 [https://pleroma.site/objects/51de0017-d063-4bac-bb69-8b024513f0ea]		Jul 11 00:51
-viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: Linux Foundation Keynotes and Puff Pieces (Linode and ONS) http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/125761 [https://pleroma.site/objects/65ec7602-6e9c-4f13-b0f4-f4f0ffc47726]		Jul 11 00:53
-viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: Linux Foundation Keynotes and Puff Pieces (Linode and ONS) http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/125761 [https://pleroma.site/objects/ab0ed1ea-bea8-4c6f-9992-065ba0e55882]		Jul 11 00:56
-viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: today's howtos http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/125762 [https://pleroma.site/objects/80605678-6f62-453e-b901-139d397bc308]		Jul 11 00:58
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XRevan86	MinceR: https://lists.dyne.org/lurker/message/20190710.075138.90e3e557.en.html	Jul 11 01:00
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-lists.dyne.org \| Re: [DNG] Server updated to Devuan Beowulf		Jul 11 01:00
XRevan86	# aptitude purge libelogind0+M libsystemd0	Jul 11 01:00
XRevan86	The following NEW packages will be installed:	Jul 11 01:00
XRevan86	libelogind0{a}	Jul 11 01:00
XRevan86	The following packages will be REMOVED:	Jul 11 01:00
XRevan86	libsystemd0{p}	Jul 11 01:00
XRevan86	that indeed worked	Jul 11 01:00
XRevan86	> Provides: libsystemd0 (= 241.1)	Jul 11 01:01
XRevan86	deb supports versioned provides now!? O_O	Jul 11 01:01
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MinceR	nice	Jul 11 06:03
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MinceR	https://imgur.com/gallery/cyLY2YD	Jul 11 06:23
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Even more helpdesk memes - Album on Imgur		Jul 11 06:23
MinceR	Shosple Colupis >> https://ircz.de/p/19061346	Jul 11 07:43
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-ircz.de \| IRCZ makes your life worth living Post object		Jul 11 07:43
-viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: #Android Leftovers http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/125763 [https://pleroma.site/objects/69920a07-380e-4b57-ac4f-c6a0755861f9]		Jul 11 07:45
schestowitz	nice merms	Jul 11 07:55
schestowitz	memes	Jul 11 07:55
schestowitz	10 memes	Jul 11 07:58
schestowitz	i will post some later, cheers	Jul 11 07:58
MinceR	https://ircz.de/p/19061258	Jul 11 08:16
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-viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: Wind River Linux offers containers and cloud-native approaches for embedded computing software development http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/125766 [https://pleroma.site/objects/96da0ae4-8e3e-41be-af0c-f61039e33aac]		Jul 11 11:33
-viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: Audiocasts/Shows: Choose Linux 13, TechSNAP 407, TLLTS 816 and FLOSS Weekly 537 http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/125767 [https://pleroma.site/objects/27eee774-074f-4851-94de-255f78e83504]		Jul 11 11:46
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zoobab	https://twitter.com/zoobab/status/1149335327959638016	Jul 11 16:21
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@zoobab: US senators Tillis and Coons introduce #STRONGERPatents act that will restore software patents in the United States… https://t.co/Z880AMbUki		Jul 11 16:21
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@zoobab: US senators Tillis and Coons introduce #STRONGERPatents act that will restore software patents in the United States… https://t.co/Z880AMbUki		Jul 11 16:21
zoobab	bad day	Jul 11 16:21
schestowitz	doesn't mean it'll pass LOL	Jul 11 16:44
schestowitz	they did this in past years	Jul 11 16:44
schestowitz	didn't go anywhere	Jul 11 16:44
schestowitz	these are teamupc tactics	Jul 11 16:45
schestowitz	in financial times they even admitted they just create an illusion of progress	Jul 11 16:45
schestowitz	bristows actually told the ft this...	Jul 11 16:45
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-viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: Verifying Gentoo election results via Votrify http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/125786 [https://pleroma.site/objects/f228af29-d17f-4744-a4f7-6dfb67c4b4d9]		Jul 11 17:36
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XRevan86	https://reddit.com/r/HowToHack/comments/b0qjv6	Jul 11 18:23
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.reddit.com \| Even in the future SQL injection is a thing. : HowToHack		Jul 11 18:23
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-viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: The Performance Impact To AMD Zen 2 Compiler Tuning On GCC 9 + Znver2 http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/125790 [https://pleroma.site/objects/e3296424-d989-4d27-b7dd-67582256ad6c]		Jul 11 19:22
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-viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: Fedora: Google Code-in, Python and NeuroFedora http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/125794 [https://pleroma.site/objects/a9f71983-18fc-415c-9fa7-b3946d68e325]		Jul 11 20:48
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-viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: #ProprietarySoftware and Security Failures http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/125796 [https://pleroma.site/objects/b22bf10f-6b49-4b35-96a9-69dbcfb254b4]		Jul 11 20:52
-viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: Linux 5.3, LWN's Kernel Coverage and the Linux Foundation http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/125797 [https://pleroma.site/objects/6a1183a8-2dbe-41b3-9957-81f2e9d8daf9]		Jul 11 20:54
-viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: Links 11/7/2019: KDE Plasma 5.16.3 and Verifying Gentoo Election Results http://techrights.org/2019/07/11/kde-plasma/ [https://pleroma.site/objects/6e00336a-9639-412d-ba48-8b356440a786]		Jul 11 21:02
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decnet	hello ..	Jul 11 21:15
MinceR	greetings	Jul 11 21:15
MinceR	https://ircz.de/p/19061218	Jul 11 21:16
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-ircz.de \| IRCZ makes your life worth living Post object		Jul 11 21:16
decnet	Hot in here, hope my computer don't have a brain fart again :]	Jul 11 21:16
XRevan86	decnet: hi	Jul 11 21:35
decnet	Hi there ..	Jul 11 21:36
decnet	Uk hosts press freedom summit while fighting for right to spy on media https://www.thebureauinvestigates.com/stories/2019-07-10/uk-hosts-press-freedom-summit-in-london-while-fighting-for-right-to-spy-on-media	Jul 11 21:47
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.thebureauinvestigates.com \| UK hosts press freedom summit while fighting for right to spy on media — The Bureau of Investigative Journalism		Jul 11 21:47
MinceR	https://img.pr0gramm.com/2019/06/28/0a8ea479c265c852.jpg	Jul 11 21:54
XRevan86	MinceR: I suppose they won't provide their users .epub's	Jul 11 21:55
MinceR	why would they? epub is a heretical format	Jul 11 21:56
MinceR	it wasn't invented by microsoft and doesn't lock users into microsoft products	Jul 11 21:56
decnet	"Fahrenheit 451" run by MICROS~1	Jul 11 21:56
XRevan86	But now when Microsoft removes the lock with the whole building, they could at least provide them something.	Jul 11 21:57
MinceR	they don't need to	Jul 11 21:57
MinceR	they're cultists	Jul 11 21:57
MinceR	they'll die for their masters in redmond	Jul 11 21:57
XRevan86	A courtesy that doesn't make money anyway	Jul 11 21:57
MinceR	i don't think they know the word	Jul 11 21:58
oiaohm	https://www.vice.com/en_us/article/597vzx/the-most-clever-zip-bomb-ever-made-explodes-a-46mb-file-to-45-petabytes Fun a file that you don't want to decompress.	Jul 11 22:09
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-The Most Clever 'Zip Bomb' Ever Made Explodes a 46MB File to 4.5 Petabytes - VICE		Jul 11 22:09
cubexyz	the web browsers have (mostly) all turned into memory pigs	Jul 11 22:25
cubexyz	for X11 + openbsd with IRC 256 megs is fine... as long as I don't bother trying to run firefox	Jul 11 22:26
decnet	I'm giving Palemoon a try ..	Jul 11 23:04
decnet	https://www.palemoon.org/	Jul 11 23:04
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.palemoon.org \| The Pale Moon Project homepage		Jul 11 23:04
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schestowitz	[22:09] <oiaohm> https://www.vice.com/en_us/article/597vzx/the-most-clever-zip-bomb-ever-made-explodes-a-46mb-file-to-45-petabytes Fun a file that you don't want to decompress.	Jul 12 04:32
schestowitz	sounds like a really lame 'danger'	Jul 12 04:32
schestowitz	you can defuse the threat by killing the process	Jul 12 04:32
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MinceR	https://ircz.de/p/14021716	Jul 12 08:09
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MinceR	weird runes >> https://vid.pr0gramm.com/2019/06/27/e8d0561bd8bcee01.mp4	Jul 12 08:16
MinceR	https://vid.pr0gramm.com/2019/06/27/db7ad4510fe90f28.mp4	Jul 12 08:20
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-viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: Firefox 68 available now in Fedora http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/125800 [https://pleroma.site/objects/4a502408-b56d-4501-a393-a32d34830dcd]		Jul 12 09:26
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-viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: Security: Microsoft Windows Strikes Again http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/125815 [https://pleroma.site/objects/0f7b9e30-e534-4c4c-8a3f-ab48ffb16916]		Jul 12 18:00
kaniini	it's always striking again	Jul 12 18:03
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XRevan86	> Combating WannaCry and Other Ransomware with OpenZFS Snapshots	Jul 12 18:12
XRevan86	Uh…	Jul 12 18:12
XRevan86	I'll read that one.	Jul 12 18:12
XRevan86	As suspected, the article is clickbait.	Jul 12 18:13
MinceR	wouldn't they have to port OpenZFS to windows for that?	Jul 12 18:13
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XRevan86	The logic of the article is that if there were a virus for UNIX-like like WannaCry (unnecessarily overspecified), then snapshots will help.	Jul 12 18:14
XRevan86	> A carefully-planned snapshot, replication, retention, and restoration strategy can provide the low-level isolation you need to enable your storage infrastructure to quickly recover from ransomware attacks.	Jul 12 18:16
XRevan86	> TrueNAS and FreeNAS can provide snapshotted storage to your VDI or virtualization solution of choice.	Jul 12 18:16
XRevan86	Ah, I see.	Jul 12 18:16
XRevan86	Yea, they're providing storage services and those services have snapshots.	Jul 12 18:17
XRevan86	> All of these can provide OpenZFS-backed SMB, NFS, AFP, and iSCSI file and block storage	Jul 12 18:18
XRevan86	The logic of the article is rather than if you're using Windows, you can back crap up onto their services and back-ups will provide one with an easy rollback.	Jul 12 18:19
XRevan86	And that's done via OpenZFS.	Jul 12 18:19
XRevan86	Great.	Jul 12 18:19
schestowitz	it's old old article	Jul 12 18:20
schestowitz	iophk sent it to me	Jul 12 18:20
schestowitz	he used to hang out in this channel	Jul 12 18:20
XRevan86	It's also pretty worthless.	Jul 12 18:20
schestowitz	anyway, those are BSD people	Jul 12 18:21
schestowitz	LT calls them "masturbating monkey"	Jul 12 18:21
schestowitz	without a CoC	Jul 12 18:21
XRevan86	I guess it has merit of showing how companies can exploit Windows problems as clickbait	Jul 12 18:21
XRevan86	schestowitz: Whom?	Jul 12 18:22
MinceR	depends on which BSD	Jul 12 18:22
MinceR	FreeBSD does have a CoC	Jul 12 18:22
XRevan86	schestowitz: He called OpenBSD that. iXsystems is related to them?	Jul 12 18:22
schestowitz	Torvalds to bsd people, maybe openbsd specifically	Jul 12 18:23
MinceR	OpenBSD will still exist even after gkh & co have already driven linux into the ground and scared off every non-SJW developer	Jul 12 18:23
XRevan86	schestowitz: OpenZFS is centred around ZFS-on-Linux these days.	Jul 12 18:24
schestowitz	yeah	Jul 12 18:24
schestowitz	gkh not a fan	Jul 12 18:24
schestowitz	but ms exfat?	Jul 12 18:24
schestowitz	WELCOME!!	Jul 12 18:24
XRevan86	It's not GPL-compliant, so it has no way of getting into Linux mainline.	Jul 12 18:24
schestowitz	http://techrights.org/2019/07/11/microsoft-putting-patent-traps-inside-linux/	Jul 12 18:24
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MinceR	got to give m$ munition to keep suing companies for using Linux which they "love"	Jul 12 18:25
XRevan86	exfat… did Microsoft decide to work on native support for it in Linux? o_0	Jul 12 18:26
XRevan86	I remember about this thing: https://phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=MTQzODQ	Jul 12 18:26
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XRevan86	And there's also a third-party FUSE implementation, but FUSE is FUSE.	Jul 12 18:27
schestowitz	yeah..	Jul 12 18:28
schestowitz	see comments	Jul 12 18:28
schestowitz	feel the love	Jul 12 18:28
schestowitz	where is the love? (song)	Jul 12 18:28
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oiaohm	XRevan86: parties are wanting to merge the Samsung exfat kernel driver mainline. 3 days ago a Microsoft backed developers said they would take it internal and see if he could get approval.	Jul 12 21:28
XRevan86	oiaohm: That doesn't sound like a bad thing.	Jul 12 21:31
XRevan86	And yea, getting ZFS into mainline is science fiction.	Jul 12 21:31
XRevan86	Without Oracle giving the original ZFS code under GPLv2 or under a permissive licence.	Jul 12 21:32
XRevan86	Now that'd be a miracle.	Jul 12 21:32
XRevan86	The exfat module doesn't have that problem. It has the patents problem.	Jul 12 21:35
XRevan86	> gkh not a fan; but ms exfat? WELCOME!!	Jul 12 21:35
XRevan86	schestowitz: It all checks out on a technical level.	Jul 12 21:35
XRevan86	or a legal level rather…	Jul 12 21:36
oiaohm	exfat driver from samsung mostly checks out on the technical quality level. its purely patents why its not. f2fs from samsung is also partly because of exfat legal issues.	Jul 12 21:56
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DaemonFC[m]	exfat driver from samsung mostly checks out on the technical quality level. its purely patents why its not. f2fs from samsung is also partly because of exfat legal issues.	Jul 13 16:24
DaemonFC[m]	Yeah, exfat-fuse is crap though, so there's no reason to use it unless you absolutely must.	Jul 13 16:25
DaemonFC[m]	It would take a kernel module for that to be usable on a performance or reliability basis.	Jul 13 16:25
DaemonFC[m]	The quality of exfat-fuse is dodgy enough that storing important information is unwise.	Jul 13 16:26
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schestowitz	there are patents, DaemonFC[m]	Jul 13 17:10
schestowitz	and Microsoft didn't even provide any assurances	Jul 13 17:10
schestowitz	they had to go ask	Jul 13 17:10
schestowitz	which says a lot about where they stand	Jul 13 17:10
schestowitz	Even after turning OIN and LOT Network into a farce	Jul 13 17:10
DaemonFC[m]	Yeah, the exfat patents aren't part of the OIN thing.	Jul 13 17:11
DaemonFC[m]	I looked at the news article hoping that they were and that we'd get an in-tree exfat driver because the file system is becoming ubiquitous.	Jul 13 17:12
DaemonFC[m]	That's a real problem considering the patent trolling nature of Microsoft.	Jul 13 17:12
DaemonFC[m]	They apparently did not pledge any patents that they thought they could extract any real amount of money from.	Jul 13 17:12
DaemonFC[m]	But it did make it look like they were being quite generous.	Jul 13 17:13
schestowitz	it's about perception to them	Jul 13 17:13
schestowitz	media manipulation	Jul 13 17:13
DaemonFC[m]	Their business of using select patents to shake down Android and Linux companies continues, quietly.	Jul 13 17:13
schestowitz	http://techrights.org/2019/03/12/microsoft-foxconn/	Jul 13 17:13
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schestowitz	That's after the OIN thing, zerogue	Jul 13 17:13
schestowitz	zoobab:	Jul 13 17:13
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-viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: Proprietary Software Insecurity http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/125858 [https://pleroma.site/objects/5ee4e2c4-d13a-456b-b136-baa756da8da0]		Jul 13 19:50
-viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: today's howtos and programming leftovers http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/125859 [https://pleroma.site/objects/cb9e65cc-e228-494e-81f9-eccec44d3d35]		Jul 13 19:54
-viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: today's leftovers http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/125860 [https://pleroma.site/objects/d54f8401-4e4c-496f-b409-d8edb368c8e3]		Jul 13 19:56
-viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: Links 13/7/2019: Librem 5 July Update, Project Trident 19.07, KDE Frameworks 5.60.0 http://techrights.org/2019/07/13/project-trident-19-07/ [https://pleroma.site/objects/5b6b11fb-67a6-47db-aad5-b5fa68688a0a]		Jul 13 20:01
-viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: antiX-19-b2-full (64 and 32 bit) available http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/125861 [https://pleroma.site/objects/75aefdaf-0433-4b70-a791-212772a604df]		Jul 13 20:22
-viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: Linux 5.3: XFS, Networking and NVIDIA's Graphics Driver http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/125862 [https://pleroma.site/objects/741f2fc6-6ac3-480c-b182-288db04858d7]		Jul 13 20:34
-viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: Openwashing, Microsoft Censorship of FOSS, and Microsoft Making Traps 'Open' http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/125863 [https://pleroma.site/objects/f20c9b05-a4f3-4e77-8b83-c74a3494c251]		Jul 13 21:16
-viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: Manjaro 18.0.4 Illyria Plasma review - Genius in disguise http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/125864 [https://pleroma.site/objects/96ce5302-4cbb-4754-9b60-d3f331c4c6d6]		Jul 13 21:19
-viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: Software: GUI Tools for Linux System Administrators, GSoC Pitivi Project and Foliate –- A Simple & Modern New GTK eBook Viewer http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/125865 [https://pleroma.site/objects/3b3ac957-1acd-46e6-9c9e-f8181de45bb7]		Jul 13 21:23
-viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: 15 Free Open source FTP Servers http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/125866 [https://pleroma.site/objects/7af1797b-e267-44ce-a18d-b7854381917d]		Jul 13 21:29
-viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: bzip2 1.0.8 http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/125867 [https://pleroma.site/objects/6484a979-5e91-46ef-998d-8e48370f7d25]		Jul 13 21:38
-viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: Confirmed: Microsoft Windows Zero-Day Exploit Used In Government Espionage Operation http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/125868 [https://pleroma.site/objects/7ed0b4d9-79eb-454b-94f3-b9ccdea8fde0]		Jul 13 21:47
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