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schestowitzis anyone here a django person/dev?Jul 21 05:38
schestowitzWhat a lousy CMS they have ....Jul 21 05:38
schestowitzcan't believe I'm asked to support this crapJul 21 05:38
tessier_schestowitz: You don't like Django?Jul 21 06:52
tessier_I used to be a django person. Built a couple small sites with it. But I haven't touched it in years. I would like to get back into it and build something cool but I don't know what that would be and I have other issues to deal with first.Jul 21 06:52
schestowitzI need to disable cache on this one client siteJul 21 07:15
schestowitzand it requires backend accessJul 21 07:15
schestowitzNo GUI afaikJul 21 07:15
schestowitzhttp://docs.django-cms.org/en/release-3.4.x/how_to/caching.htmlJul 21 07:15
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-docs.django-cms.org | How to manage caching — django cms 3.4.6 documentationJul 21 07:15
tessier_Django itself isn't a CMS. It's a web framework.Jul 21 07:18
tessier_Ah. django-cms and not just django.Jul 21 07:19
schestowitzyes, but this one is a cms based on it and it kind of sucks tbhJul 21 07:19
tessier_I wonder how it compares to Mezzanine.Jul 21 07:19
schestowitznever tried itJul 21 07:19
schestowitzthe front end is very simplistic, not sure why it was chosenJul 21 07:19
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-viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: KDE Usability & Productivity: Week 80 http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/126108 [https://pleroma.site/objects/bc8e8cbe-6421-4752-8095-4131eb2a2cb4]Jul 21 09:36
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-viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: Mutter 3.33.4 http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/126109 [https://pleroma.site/objects/c288149c-b90b-4d83-9371-0b2740011450]Jul 21 09:50
-viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: Graphics: DXVK, Overload and Songs of Syx http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/126110 [https://pleroma.site/objects/56936816-3f47-4dfb-83f6-070db8703212]Jul 21 10:03
-viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: Christopher Davis: The Paradox of Tolerance In Online Spaces http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/126111 [https://pleroma.site/objects/8c3131fb-eaed-40f9-83c3-83992992da69]Jul 21 10:13
-viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: Kernel: 'MacBook', IO_uring and LF's CNCF http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/126112 [https://pleroma.site/objects/f993476e-4f9f-4b2b-aa62-7ed22811b7d2]Jul 21 10:50
schestowitz_log"https://joindiaspora.com/posts/15472568#42b4ec808c1d0137e59c0cc47a07853chttps://joindiaspora.com/posts/15214226#4c729f5073b80137ec207a163ef10931https://joindiaspora.com/posts/15484264#ba2f8ca08d330137e5a00cc47a07853chttps://joindiaspora.com/posts/15425452#d3d6670087ae0137fe700cc47a07853chttps://joindiaspora.com/posts/15326370#c68b8e707e480137e57c0cc47a07853chttps://joindiaspora.com/posts/15323116#ee64a7907eJul 21 11:58
schestowitz_log020137253e0cc47a07853chttps://joindiaspora.com/posts/15423492#5eb18270877f01379a2e0cc47a07853chen "WikiLeaks has already said everything, written it, analyzed. What more can I say? Read. Reading WikiLeaks will bring you nothing but relate to your own ignorance to judge the WikiLeaks work before inquiring what would be additional danger given your limited opinion."Jul 21 11:58
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: #techrights should rebrand/rename to "Microsoft Foundation"; this way visitors will assume we're pro-Microsoft...Jul 21 11:58
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights- Photo by schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: https://joindiaspora.com/uploads/images/thumb_medium_5707f2072ebce85c99c1.pngJul 21 11:58
*psydroid looks forward to a prosperous collaboration between the Microsoft Foundation and the Bill and Melinda Gates FoundationJul 21 12:13
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-viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: #Entropic maintainer calls for a ban on #Palantir employees contributing to the project and asks other open source communities to take a stand on ethical grounds http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/126113 [https://pleroma.site/objects/db25b0b6-ff9f-4fb1-a678-c3636b731aec]Jul 21 12:21
MinceRWhen catnip wears off:  https://i.kym-cdn.com/photos/images/newsfeed/001/094/160/aa1.jpgJul 21 12:38
XRevan86I wonder what's more effective: catnip or valerian rootJul 21 12:40
MinceR¯\_(ツ)_/¯Jul 21 12:45
*XRevan86 read an article: valerian root has a stronger effect.Jul 21 12:45
MinceR:)Jul 21 12:45
MinceRis it the same effect?Jul 21 12:45
XRevan86MinceR: yesJul 21 12:46
XRevan86Apparently through different chemicals, but one way or another, cats go nuts %)Jul 21 12:47
MinceR:)Jul 21 13:21
MinceRhttps://ircz.de/p/19060575Jul 21 13:36
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-viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: FOSS in Blockchains/BTC http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/126114 [https://pleroma.site/objects/98b6386d-af17-480a-94cf-be80c0a4e243]Jul 21 13:39
MinceRhttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Actinidia_polygamaJul 21 13:42
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-en.wikipedia.org | Actinidia polygama - WikipediaJul 21 13:42
MinceRthis has an even more powerful effectJul 21 13:42
XRevan86> The effect usually lasts between five and 30 minutesJul 21 13:44
XRevan86Valerian root seems to be more powerful.Jul 21 13:44
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MinceRcan valerian root affect cats not sensitive to nepeta?Jul 21 13:51
-viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: Devices: 'IoT', SparkFun and Beelink L55 http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/126116 [https://pleroma.site/objects/feb84ffc-15c0-4ee3-a17c-a345b193532f]Jul 21 13:53
MinceRhttps://ircz.de/p/19060562Jul 21 13:58
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-ircz.de | IRCZ makes your life worth living Post objectJul 21 13:58
-viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: Security Leftovers http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/126117 [https://pleroma.site/objects/4697033a-4f09-41a2-a7f9-f5d4a8d6755f]Jul 21 14:02
XRevan86MinceR: yesJul 21 14:09
MinceRicJul 21 14:09
XRevan86As here catnip is not widely known, I didn't know there were cats unaffected in existence.Jul 21 14:12
XRevan86Valerian root extract can be bought in a pharmacy.Jul 21 14:14
XRevan86as a sedativeJul 21 14:14
-viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: Programming: Ruby, NativeScript, Python, Rust/C/C++ FUD From Microsoft http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/126118 [https://pleroma.site/objects/56ced278-f304-488f-8ab9-6a99f9d27e5b]Jul 21 14:21
-viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: Database News on YugaByte Going for Apache 2.0 Licence http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/126119 [https://pleroma.site/objects/27a7a56f-86fe-4f28-80b0-79362f37843b]Jul 21 14:23
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scientesXRevan86, I have found it in the mountainsJul 21 14:29
scientestons of itJul 21 14:29
scienteswhen in flower it has an effect just being near itJul 21 14:30
scientesvalarian that isJul 21 14:30
XRevan86scientes: For a cat or for a human?Jul 21 14:30
scienteshumanJul 21 14:31
-viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: Home » content http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/126121 [https://pleroma.site/objects/5615d51d-a3cd-46b3-8216-b37d6bf487e1]Jul 21 14:33
-viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: Software: TenFourFox/Firefox, Linux Boot Loaders, Viber Alternatives, Switchconf, and HowTos http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/126121 [https://pleroma.site/objects/95d9b014-22a8-497e-91b0-ca9340f1eb9e]Jul 21 14:33
-viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: Post-$34 billion acquisition by IBM, Red Hat bets big on India http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/126122 [https://pleroma.site/objects/88722486-c851-4c92-a723-54720df0aaa9]Jul 21 14:38
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-viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: Links 21/7/2019: DXVK 1.3.1, GameMode, Mutter 3.33.4 http://techrights.org/2019/07/21/gamemode/ [https://pleroma.site/objects/4251fee6-7831-4b95-bef9-7d1e05faac56]Jul 21 15:04
MinceRhttps://ircz.de/p/14020817Jul 21 15:13
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XRevan86It took be way too much time for me to figure out why the Borg's concept involves a Queen now.Jul 21 15:57
XRevan86Scriptwriters want a way to defeat the Borg without killing them all.Jul 21 15:57
XRevan86A single point of failure.Jul 21 15:57
MinceR:>Jul 21 15:57
XRevan86Albeit they could've went a route of severing the link or something, but that's not as adversarial I guess.Jul 21 15:59
XRevan86Here we have a villain with a face, defeat her and that will liberate her slaves.Jul 21 16:00
scientesWUT< the rouble doesn't have a symbol?Jul 21 16:14
scientesnor the pesoJul 21 16:15
XRevan86scientes: It does.Jul 21 16:18
XRevan86₽Jul 21 16:18
scientesthen why does Wikipedia suck so much?Jul 21 16:18
XRevan86An Р with a stroke (or an inverted Ѣ), very original %).Jul 21 16:18
scientesnot even on the Russian versionJul 21 16:18
XRevan86https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ruble_signJul 21 16:19
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-en.wikipedia.org | Ruble sign - WikipediaJul 21 16:19
scientesok fixedJul 21 16:19
XRevan86> Not to be confused with ₱ (Philippine peso sign).Jul 21 16:20
XRevan86combo!Jul 21 16:20
scienteslawlJul 21 16:20
MinceRhttps://ircz.de/p/19060323Jul 21 17:10
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XRevan86MinceR: BarelyJul 21 17:18
MinceRhttps://ircz.de/p/19060252Jul 21 17:22
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XRevan86MinceR: Expectation subversion doesn't work when one expects expectation subversion.Jul 21 17:24
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schestowitzviera, kaniini and plermo all offlineJul 21 17:42
schestowitzat the same timeJul 21 17:42
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schestowitz[17:42] <schestowitz> viera, kaniini and plermo all offlineJul 21 17:44
schestowitzI guess it was a connected issie. with viera too unable to connectedJul 21 17:45
kaniinihad to reboot into new kernelJul 21 17:45
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XRevan86kaniini: Afraid of privilege escalation? :)Jul 21 18:06
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MinceRhttps://img.pr0gramm.com/2019/06/25/cfe5513f130dfca3.jpgJul 21 21:19
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-viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: Stable kernels 5.2.2, 5.1.19, 4.19.60, 4.14.134, 4.9.186, and 4.4.186 http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/126123 [https://pleroma.site/objects/742b2e89-7d62-4b17-91d4-bba901a7ff89]Jul 21 21:28
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MinceRhttps://img.pr0gramm.com/2019/06/25/7b6990972d07800d.jpgJul 21 21:30
-viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: The Status of Fractional Scaling (HiDPI) Between Windows & Linux http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/126125 [https://pleroma.site/objects/a9867711-fe24-4c4c-940b-846ec364d10d]Jul 21 21:51
MinceRhttps://ircz.de/p/14020616Jul 21 22:08
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MinceRhttps://img.pr0gramm.com/2019/06/25/ab93da8adf48e748.jpgJul 21 22:34
schestowitznice catJul 21 22:47
schestowitzmakes me wanna have oneJul 21 22:47
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MinceRhttps://i.imgur.com/pcK9DMm.jpgJul 21 23:04
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MinceRhttps://p1.picsto.re/rqbu9.jpgJul 21 23:15
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MinceRhttps://i.imgur.com/uDqc81O.mp4   ( https://imgur.com/gallery/os1If1L )Jul 22 00:12
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-When wind hits this seaside bar in the Costa Navarino resort, Greece - Album on ImgurJul 22 00:12
scientespssssssssshhhhhhhhhh tired outJul 22 00:24
scientesdidn't get much down this eveningJul 22 00:24
scientesgot much done this morningJul 22 00:24
MinceRhttps://i.imgur.com/hEQ2q9p.mp4   ( https://imgur.com/gallery/hEQ2q9p )Jul 22 00:36
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Water drops. - GIF on ImgurJul 22 00:36
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scientesXRevan86, wait, how does Russia prevent its citizens from going to a country?Jul 22 01:03
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scientesthe US doesn't pretend to have that power, although under pressure AA ceased flights to VenezuelaJul 22 01:03
MinceRthey make sure their citizens can't afford to travel :>Jul 22 01:04
scientesheheJul 22 01:04
scientesI'm wondering if I should go to the AmazonJul 22 01:04
MinceRhttps://full.pr0gramm.com/2019/05/30/fcbfd783ea381b13.jpgJul 22 01:05
scientesit will never get cheaper than right nowJul 22 01:05
scienteslike $100, plus a little extra in living expensesJul 22 01:05
schestowitzkaniini: I'm unable to scroll down to older notifications. Known/expected issue?Jul 22 01:18
kaniiniyesJul 22 01:19
kaniinidue to weedis.life issueJul 22 01:19
kaniini;)Jul 22 01:19
schestowitzahaJul 22 01:19
schestowitzI see nowJul 22 01:19
schestowitzhttps://pleroma.site/notice/9l5hDEnx4jKrIeSammJul 22 01:19
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-pleroma.site | PleromaJul 22 01:19
schestowitzweed kiddiesJul 22 01:19
MinceRhttps://ircz.de/p/19060229Jul 22 01:29
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scientesMinceR, that is horrible!Jul 22 01:37
scientesthat needs a warningJul 22 01:37
XRevan86scientes: I don't really know…Jul 22 01:40
scientesI know China does similar thingsJul 22 01:40
scientesoh, its because both Russia and CHina require exit permitsJul 22 01:41
scientesmost countries do, actuallyJul 22 01:41
scientesthe US is a rare exceptionJul 22 01:41
scienteshowever the US will deactivate your passportJul 22 01:41
*XRevan86 saw Good Omens.Jul 22 01:44
XRevan86It is so extremely British. I love it.Jul 22 01:44
MinceR:)Jul 22 01:45
scientes"Jul 22 02:01
scientesYou must have advance approval to bring in satellite telephones."Jul 22 02:01
scientesdamnJul 22 02:01
scientessounds alot like chinaJul 22 02:01
scientes"In October 2015, the list of usual debtors was supplemented with bankrupts, i.e. Russian citizens who have shown in court that they cannot settle their debts. They too can be prohibited from leaving the country until they square with their creditors. The new law has so far affected some 40,000 individuals."Jul 22 02:13
scienteshttps://www.khodorkovsky.com/forbidden-leaving-country/Jul 22 02:13
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.khodorkovsky.com | “You are forbidden from leaving the country.”Jul 22 02:13
scientesdoes that mean that there is no bankruptcy?Jul 22 02:13
scientesand that Serfdom has been reinstated?Jul 22 02:14
XRevan86scientes: Is anyone surprised?Jul 22 02:15
scientesits not really a change, yesJul 22 02:16
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cubexyzdf.shJul 22 04:38
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scientesSweet https://lwn.net/Articles/749888/Jul 22 15:36
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MinceRhttps://github.com/systemd/systemd/issues/11338Jul 22 16:18
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MinceR"stable"Jul 22 16:19
XRevan86https://youtu.be/diRtRhcaUNI https://cs10.pikabu.ru/post_img/2019/07/22/5/1563777690130764328.jpg lolJul 22 16:47
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Metallica «Группа Крови» Металлика КИНО - YouTubeJul 22 16:47
XRevan86(Metallica sings Kino – Blood Type on a concert in Moscow)Jul 22 16:48
MinceRhttps://ircz.de/p/1906029Jul 22 17:19
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XRevan86MinceR: What is the purpose of such a law?Jul 22 17:24
MinceRfreedomJul 22 17:24
XRevan86MinceR: to mr. stabby?Jul 22 17:25
XRevan86(or maybe to Roberto %))Jul 22 17:26
psydroidскоро кончится лето :)Jul 22 17:29
XRevan86а с погодой повезло – дождь идёт четвёртый деньJul 22 17:30
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XRevan86A song from the port-mortem Black Album.Jul 22 17:34
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psydroidI found out about it sometime last year, I've listened to it a few timesJul 22 17:37
psydroidafter coming across KukushkaJul 22 17:37
MinceRXRevan86: it's not specific to "mr. stabby"Jul 22 17:37
XRevan86MinceR: Now chefs have nothing to fear on the streets.Jul 22 17:38
XRevan86psydroid: What about The Last Hero or A Desire for Change?Jul 22 17:38
XRevan86The Red-Yellow DaysJul 22 17:39
XRevan86A Pack of CigarettesJul 22 17:40
psydroidXRevan86, Ive heard some songs but not listened to full albums yet, because that Black Album is so good and I keep listening to itJul 22 17:41
XRevan86The Red-Yellow Days is from the Black AlbumJul 22 17:41
XRevan86(Красно-жёлтые дни)Jul 22 17:42
XRevan86psydroid: But I get what you mean :)Jul 22 17:42
psydroidI must have heard it, let me see :)Jul 22 17:43
*schestowitz backJul 22 17:43
psydroidyeah, that's a great songJul 22 17:44
XRevan86psydroid: Check https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blood_Type_(album) outJul 22 17:45
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-en.wikipedia.org | Blood Type (album) - WikipediaJul 22 17:45
XRevan86psydroid: It's arguably The best album.Jul 22 17:45
XRevan86After all, the Metallica did sing the same-named song ;)Jul 22 17:45
psydroidXRevan86, I will, I know the song and have listened to the album once or so but I should listen to it more often :)Jul 22 17:46
XRevan86An obvious choice. The other one they could've went for is A Desire for Change.Jul 22 17:46
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XRevan86psydroid: https://youtu.be/FU8csnZxdPA that's also the song that intruduced me to KinoJul 22 17:48
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Виктор Цой - Перемен - YouTubeJul 22 17:48
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psydroidI stumbled upon the group by accident while listening to Kukryniksy on Spotify (yeah, I know DRM and stuff) and even a girl from Belarus asked me why I listened to such old songsJul 22 17:49
XRevan86"such old songs" – some people even listen to The Beatles.Jul 22 17:51
psydroidindeedJul 22 17:51
psydroidand this one of the greatest Russian rock groupsJul 22 17:51
XRevan86I do not any better :)Jul 22 17:52
XRevan86* I do not knowJul 22 17:52
XRevan86I have no taste for groups like Leningrad.Jul 22 17:52
psydroidneither do I, although I got introduced to proper Russian music through Boris Grebenshikov and AquariumJul 22 17:53
psydroidalthough I have only really listened to the Russian AlbumJul 22 17:53
XRevan86psydroid: Makes sense :)Jul 22 17:56
psydroidso I just listened to half of a Leningrad song and I get what you mean :)Jul 22 17:57
XRevan86psydroid: Have you ever heard of Picnic?Jul 22 17:58
psydroidhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=USulI-uxJ2AJul 22 17:59
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Волки и вороны,Борис Гребенщиков,Аквариум - YouTubeJul 22 17:59
psydroidgot recommended this by someone in one of the Russian channelsJul 22 17:59
psydroidXRevan86, I don't think soJul 22 18:00
XRevan86psydroid: https://youtu.be/3pMSSqKlGF4Jul 22 18:00
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Пикник - Королевство кривых - YouTubeJul 22 18:00
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XRevan86psydroid: Very clear pronunciation, I can see why that's useful to Russian learners.Jul 22 18:02
XRevan86> Зажёг бы спирт на руке – да где ж его взять.Jul 22 18:03
XRevan86Indeed, they don't just sell alcohol.Jul 22 18:03
psydroidXRevan86, indeed, I should put a bit more effort into my Russian learning, the running joke between a friend and me is that I'm on 10-year plan to master the language so I might as well give up nowJul 22 18:04
XRevan86psydroid: If you have exposure, then it will all work out :)Jul 22 18:05
XRevan86psydroid: If not, then I don't believe languages can be learnt that way…Jul 22 18:05
psydroidthis Picnic song is very goodJul 22 18:06
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psydroidXRevan86, I have plenty of it and he's half-joking, I only started learning about 3 years ago and speak a bit of Polish, Serbo-Croatian, Russian and Ukrainian and have plenty of materials here at home collected from all over EuropeJul 22 18:08
XRevan86psydroid: Ah, right, you mentioned :)Jul 22 18:08
*XRevan86 remembers now.Jul 22 18:08
XRevan86psydroid: That's quite a portfolio I must say :)Jul 22 18:09
psydroidI lived in Poland for a year and a half and went to visit Ukraine 3 timesJul 22 18:09
XRevan86psydroid: West, South, East. Gotta catch them all? :DJul 22 18:09
XRevan86psydroid: https://youtu.be/gii5DdkYhDsJul 22 18:09
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psydroidXRevan86, that's just part of it :) and yes, world domination is near :)Jul 22 18:09
XRevan86psydroid: What do you think of Bulgarian? The least inflective of Slavic languages, that intrigues me.Jul 22 18:10
XRevan86with MacedonianJul 22 18:11
psydroidXRevan86, I want to learn it and I have a book for it too, but first I want to get better at Russian and Serbo-Croatian, basically just finish the coursebooks I have been working fromJul 22 18:11
psydroidДобьр дан (?)Jul 22 18:12
XRevan86Доброго дняJul 22 18:12
psydroidI don't remember much nowJul 22 18:12
psydroidyes, but in BulgarianJul 22 18:13
XRevan86psydroid: Google Translate concurs :)Jul 22 18:13
XRevan86except "ден"Jul 22 18:13
psydroidah, so it became Serbo-Bulgarian :)Jul 22 18:14
XRevan86Wiktionary spells Serbo-Croatian for day as "да̑н"Jul 22 18:15
XRevan86What are they trying to convery with this diacritic?Jul 22 18:16
psydroidmaybe vowel length or quality?Jul 22 18:16
psydroidbecause it does exist in Serbo-Croatian, even if it's not writtenJul 22 18:17
psydroidespecially in Bosnian, if I remember correctlyJul 22 18:17
XRevan86psydroid: So it's like daan?Jul 22 18:19
psydroidXRevan86, something like that, yesJul 22 18:19
psydroidCzech has this too, but it's explicitly written thereJul 22 18:20
XRevan86I wonder why not њJul 22 18:20
XRevan86(ñ)Jul 22 18:20
psydroidI know what you meanJul 22 18:20
psydroidbut for me Serbo-Croatian has the least palatalisationJul 22 18:21
XRevan86psydroid: But they do have a letter for a slender nJul 22 18:21
XRevan86That must be an indicator that they use the sound.Jul 22 18:21
psydroidin Hindi it's din, Sanskrit dina (kind of mute a)Jul 22 18:21
XRevan86https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/Reconstruction:Proto-Slavic/d%D1%8Cn%D1%8C#DescendantsJul 22 18:22
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-en.wiktionary.org | Reconstruction:Proto-Slavic/dьnь - WiktionaryJul 22 18:22
psydroidbut in Polish it's also dzieńJul 22 18:22
XRevan86From the looks of it, most descendants retained the slenderness.Jul 22 18:23
XRevan86with exceptions for Bolgarian, Macedonian, Serbo-Croatian, ĈeĥJul 22 18:24
XRevan86* BulgarianJul 22 18:24
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psydroidyeahJul 22 18:24
XRevan86Polish is quite an oddball when it comes to palatalisation loss.Jul 22 18:26
XRevan86d' → dzJul 22 18:26
XRevan86etc.Jul 22 18:26
XRevan86All other descendants from the list are either Polish in disguise or heavily influenced by Polish (Belarusian)Jul 22 18:28
psydroida lot of things make Polish really stand out for me, the only reason why I speak it somewhat decently is because I lived there. And my Polish hasn't markedly improved since I leftJul 22 18:28
psydroidI found Ukrainian easier to learn coming from PolishJul 22 18:29
psydroideasier than Russian at leastJul 22 18:29
XRevan86psydroid: That makes sense :)Jul 22 18:29
XRevan86psydroid: Ukrainian shares more vocabulary for instance.Jul 22 18:30
MinceRhttps://ircz.de/p/19060139Jul 22 18:30
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psydroidthe first time I was in Lvov I spoke Polish and English and survived :)Jul 22 18:30
psydroidpeople didn't lynch me for speaking PolishJul 22 18:31
XRevan86psydroid: Lvov is Lvov though :DJul 22 18:31
psydroidprobably because I don't look Polish so the could forgive meJul 22 18:31
XRevan86psydroid: Come to Odessa instead %)Jul 22 18:31
MinceRdon't you mean Lwów? :>Jul 22 18:31
psydroidthey*Jul 22 18:31
psydroidL'viv? :DJul 22 18:31
MinceR:>Jul 22 18:31
psydroidyeah, it's a Polish cityJul 22 18:31
XRevan86LionshireJul 22 18:32
XRevan86</stupid>Jul 22 18:32
XRevan86> probably because I don't look PolishJul 22 18:32
MinceR:>Jul 22 18:32
psydroidXRevan86, I want to spend a whole month in Ukraine once :)Jul 22 18:32
XRevan86psydroid: Why is that a factor?Jul 22 18:32
XRevan86psydroid: Ukrainian and Poland are not on the best of terms, but Ukraine generally still looks up to PolandJul 22 18:33
XRevan86as it is EUJul 22 18:33
psydroidXRevan86, I was told there was some animosity, but I never noticed anyJul 22 18:34
XRevan86* Ukraine and PolandJul 22 18:34
psydroidneither in Poland nor in UkraineJul 22 18:34
XRevan86psydroid: nahJul 22 18:34
XRevan86psydroid: Just don't argue over who murdered whom during some occupation or other.Jul 22 18:34
XRevan86It's generally a good idea %)Jul 22 18:35
psydroidXRevan86, I did watch that movie Wołyń at the cinema in Kraków with a friend of mine, in the end we found that they all looked the same and we couldn't tell them apart :)Jul 22 18:36
XRevan86psydroid: … corpses?Jul 22 18:36
psydroidI also thought that the Old Polish at the beginning of the movie sounded more like Ukrainian :)Jul 22 18:36
XRevan86psydroid: Hm, that's an interesting observation…Jul 22 18:37
psydroidXRevan86, that too, but we were confused about who was Polish and who was Ukrainian in the movie at timesJul 22 18:37
XRevan86psydroid: It would make sense that the older the snapshot the less diverged, but still interesting.Jul 22 18:38
psydroidthey used words like blagodarya, which I assumed were UkrainianJul 22 18:39
psydroidI heard that at another friend's wedding too a few days beforeJul 22 18:40
XRevan86благодаря?Jul 22 18:40
XRevan86that doesn't sound very Ukrainian…Jul 22 18:40
psydroidyesJul 22 18:40
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psydroidI know it exists in Bulgarian too, right?Jul 22 18:41
psydroidalso in Russian?Jul 22 18:41
XRevan86psydroid: rightJul 22 18:41
XRevan86As I understand it, Ukrainian doesn't use transgressive (деепричастие, дієприслівник) in such a wayJul 22 18:43
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XRevan86Like "он вышел из комнаты, благодаря присутствовавших"Jul 22 18:44
psydroidoh, you must know a lot more about this than I doJul 22 18:44
XRevan86Though GT translated it fine, using "завдяки" instead. I'm confusing it with something else then.Jul 22 18:44
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XRevan86"он видит благодарящих людей" – I confused it with thisJul 22 18:46
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XRevan86That's called a действительное причастие apparently.Jul 22 18:47
psydroidI only really heard it then, normally they just say дякуюJul 22 18:48
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psydroidduring normal conversationsJul 22 18:48
XRevan86psydroid: Ah, then it's "благодарю"Jul 22 18:49
psydroidXRevan86, probably, yesJul 22 18:49
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psydroidso блвгодаря is a noun used only in certain expressions?Jul 22 18:50
XRevan86psydroid: Not a nounJul 22 18:50
psydroidблагодаря*Jul 22 18:50
psydroidadjective?Jul 22 18:51
XRevan86Either a transgressive verb or a prepositionJul 22 18:51
psydroidis there a noun with the same root?Jul 22 18:53
psydroidI understand that it means "thanks to" (+ gen. in Russian)Jul 22 18:53
XRevan86благодарность I guessJul 22 18:54
XRevan86being grateful more literallyJul 22 18:54
XRevan86although…Jul 22 18:54
XRevan86psydroid: giving thanks, you're rightJul 22 18:55
XRevan86благо – goodness, well-being; дарю – give as a giftJul 22 18:55
psydroidthis is the kind of thing only a native speaker can tell youJul 22 18:56
psydroidor I would find out 10 years later by accident perhapsJul 22 18:57
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XRevan86psydroid: Well, it's literally two common words slapped together :)Jul 22 18:58
XRevan86Practically like "спасибо", actually. But that's one letter more obscure.Jul 22 18:58
XRevan86Apparently it's "спаси бог" slapped togetherJul 22 18:59
psydroidXRevan86, but in that case it's a bit more accessible to me :)Jul 22 18:59
XRevan86psydroid: It is?Jul 22 18:59
psydroidin Persian you can say "sepas" or "sepas gozaram" to say thanksJul 22 19:00
psydroidand Bog is like Bhagvan in HindiJul 22 19:00
XRevan86Sometimes people say "храни бог" to express gratefulness.Jul 22 19:00
XRevan86* "храни тебя бог"Jul 22 19:01
psydroidliterally "having wealth", I thinkJul 22 19:01
XRevan86psydroid: бог is godJul 22 19:01
XRevan86seems like a false-friend %)Jul 22 19:01
psydroidbogaty in Polish is wealthJul 22 19:01
XRevan86psydroid: богатый, yesJul 22 19:02
psydroidXRevan86, not really, Bhagvan is God too :)Jul 22 19:02
XRevan86psydroid: I see what you mean…Jul 22 19:02
*XRevan86 looks at https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/Reconstruction:Proto-Slavic/bog%D1%8AJul 22 19:02
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-en.wiktionary.org | Reconstruction:Proto-Slavic/bogъ - WiktionaryJul 22 19:02
XRevan86> Privative adjectives *ubogъ (“poor, miserable”) and *nebogъ (“poor, miserable”), as well as the later derivation *bogatъ (“rich”) prove that *bogъ was originally also an adjective meaning "earthly wealth/well-being; fortune", with a semantic shift to "dispenser of wealth/fortune" and finally "god".Jul 22 19:03
XRevan86This is mind-boggling.Jul 22 19:03
XRevan86it's wealth → god, not the other way aroundJul 22 19:03
psydroidyesJul 22 19:04
psydroidhttp://spokensanskrit.org/index.php?tran_input=bhAga&direct=se&script=hk&link=yes&mode=3Jul 22 19:04
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-spokensanskrit.org | Sanskrit Dictionary for Spoken SanskritJul 22 19:04
psydroidoh, another thingJul 22 19:07
XRevan86> seems like a false-friend %)Jul 22 19:07
psydroidwhich people don't realiseJul 22 19:07
XRevan86psydroid: I don't know why I forgot my native language when thinking about this :DJul 22 19:07
XRevan86Either because it's another level of abstraction, or because I'm not really using it right now.Jul 22 19:08
psydroidXRevan86, it happens to me too, sometimes I only understand certain things in my own language because of a word in another language :)Jul 22 19:08
XRevan86psydroid: I'm ashamed that I didn't connect "literally "having wealth", I think" to богатыйJul 22 19:09
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psydroidlike Buddha has no direct meaning in HindiJul 22 19:09
XRevan86psydroid: I forgot to account for one of the basic words %)Jul 22 19:09
psydroidbut in Polish "to awaken" is budzić and "to wake up" is budzić sięJul 22 19:10
XRevan86psydroid: What does it mean?Jul 22 19:10
XRevan86psydroid: Same in RussianJul 22 19:10
psydroidso the Buddha is the AwakenedJul 22 19:10
XRevan86except not будиться but проснутьсяJul 22 19:10
XRevan86but there's пробудитьсяJul 22 19:11
XRevan86I guess because будиться would sound like an on-going action, and that's kind of weird.Jul 22 19:11
psydroidand this is why it's much easier for me to come to Slavic languages from Hindi/Persian/SanskritJul 22 19:12
psydroidyeah, but they use it in Polish like thatJul 22 19:12
MinceR22 200343 <+XRevan86> it's wealth → god, not the other way aroundJul 22 19:13
MinceRrich people are "God"!Jul 22 19:13
MinceRChurch of the Almighty MoneyJul 22 19:13
XRevan86I guess if I really want to emphasise that it is on-going, like I am working on trying to get myself awake, I can use "будиться"Jul 22 19:13
XRevan86- Сколько мне тебя ещё будить?Jul 22 19:14
XRevan86- Да бужусь я, бужусь!Jul 22 19:14
psydroidit's really helpful, this informationJul 22 19:16
XRevan86psydroid: From now on I shall call Buddha Будённый (Budyonny) :PJul 22 19:18
psydroidXRevan86, that would be cool :)Jul 22 19:19
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XRevan86or simple The Woke OneJul 22 19:22
MinceR:>Jul 22 19:22
MinceRThe Redpilled OneJul 22 19:22
XRevan86MinceR: he-heJul 22 19:23
XRevan86The One Who Knows How Deep the Rabbit Hole GoesJul 22 19:24
MinceR:>Jul 22 19:24
MinceRhttps://i.kym-cdn.com/photos/images/facebook/001/207/044/0b4.jpgJul 22 19:25
XRevan86psydroid: And about проснуться, how'd one say sleep in Sanskrit?Jul 22 19:25
XRevan86https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/Reconstruction:Proto-Indo-European/swep-Jul 22 19:27
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-en.wiktionary.org | Reconstruction:Proto-Indo-European/swep- - WiktionaryJul 22 19:27
XRevan86> svapitiJul 22 19:27
XRevan86but that's obviously a verb…Jul 22 19:27
XRevan86No matter, still very close to "spati"Jul 22 19:28
MinceRalso to wapitiJul 22 19:30
XRevan86elk?Jul 22 19:31
MinceR:)Jul 22 19:31
psydroidyesJul 22 19:31
psydroidthe word we use for a dream in Hindi is "sapna"Jul 22 19:32
psydroidand for "to sleep" sonaJul 22 19:32
MinceRhttps://ircz.de/p/19053145Jul 22 19:32
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XRevan86psydroid: Sounds like a reversal :)Jul 22 19:32
---MinceR gives voice to kushalJul 22 19:33
XRevan86psydroid: Я спал, мне приснился сон.Jul 22 19:33
psydroidXRevan86, modern languages are fallible :)Jul 22 19:33
XRevan86psydroid: Archaic languages are fallible too :DJul 22 19:33
psydroidand yes, svapna in Sanskrit means sleep (noun)Jul 22 19:33
XRevan86it's a nearly-infinite circle of innovation and regressionJul 22 19:34
psydroid:DJul 22 19:34
XRevan86Humans are good at making conventions but bad at remembering them all.Jul 22 19:35
XRevan86so we're doomed to re-invent the linguistic wheel over and over againJul 22 19:35
XRevan86Humans in 2000 BCE: "so that's what this word supposed to mean…"Jul 22 19:36
XRevan86And of course languages diverge, our new wheels are incompatibleJul 22 19:37
psydroidfor me it opened up a whole new world to learn Persian, then some Sanskrit and then see a lot of familiar things in Slavic languagesJul 22 19:39
XRevan86psydroid: Theoretically, you should see familiar things in all P-I-E languages.Jul 22 19:41
XRevan86psydroid: It really puzzles me that the statement "Sanskrit and Slavic languages are similiar" keeps popping up.Jul 22 19:42
XRevan86What could be the historical grounds for that?Jul 22 19:42
XRevan86Slavic languages changed less compared to Romance and Germanic languages?Jul 22 19:42
psydroidXRevan86, theoretically yes, but I know quite a few European languages and I don't see anywhere near this kind of similarity with Germanic or Romance languagesJul 22 19:43
XRevan86psydroid: Maybe Classical Latin? It is frozen in time after all.Jul 22 19:44
psydroidI think it's a complex thing based on genetic and linguistic commonalitiesJul 22 19:44
XRevan86words like verus and stuffJul 22 19:45
psydroidXRevan86, I don't see it even thereJul 22 19:45
psydroidI had Latin and Ancient Greek in schoolJul 22 19:46
XRevan86psydroid: Weird :)Jul 22 19:47
psydroidXRevan86, http://korenine.si/zborniki/zbornik08/indo_aryan.pdfJul 22 19:48
psydroidthis is what set me on my pathJul 22 19:49
psydroidafter a friend of mine had been living in Poland and started learning PolishJul 22 19:49
psydroidhe couldn't remember simple words such as "żyć" and "być"Jul 22 19:50
psydroidand I was like "easy peasy" :)Jul 22 19:50
XRevan86odds are "być" is cognate to "to be"Jul 22 19:51
XRevan86yep, it isJul 22 19:52
psydroidbecause the first is "jivati" (Sankrit)/"jina" (Hindi) and the second one "bhavati" (Sanskrit)/"budan" (Persian)/ "baate" (Bhojpuri)Jul 22 19:52
XRevan86so is "is" to "есть"Jul 22 19:52
psydroidyes, it isJul 22 19:53
XRevan86It is easier to connect "bhavati" to "byvati" / "бывать" than to "to be", that's for sure (:Jul 22 19:54
psydroidthose are actually two verbs in Sanskrit, "asti" and "bhavati"Jul 22 19:54
psydroidyesJul 22 19:55
XRevan86psydroid: And I've just mentioned the Slavic counter-part %)Jul 22 19:56
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psydroidXRevan86, I know, in Slovak they actually use that verb as the normal word for "to be" :)Jul 22 19:57
psydroidat least from the little I saw in an online courseJul 22 19:57
XRevan86In Russian "to be" as in "it is that" is optional and usually omitted.Jul 22 19:58
XRevan86Like "Володя есть дурак" would sound verbose or archaic.Jul 22 19:58
psydroidhttps://slovake.eu/en/learning/grammar/classes/verbsJul 22 19:59
XRevan86In Ukrainian though it is more common not to omit, as they've shortened the word to just "ye"Jul 22 19:59
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XRevan86Володя є дуракJul 22 20:00
psydroidyes, it isn't conjugated anymoreJul 22 20:00
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XRevan86psydroid: "есть" in Russian can be conjugated but usually isn't %).Jul 22 20:00
XRevan86Я есмь дурак, они суть дураки.Jul 22 20:01
psydroidahJul 22 20:01
psydroidsum, es, est, sumus, estis, suntJul 22 20:02
psydroidthat's LatinJul 22 20:02
psydroidasmi, asi, asti, smah, sthah, santiJul 22 20:03
psydroidin SanskritJul 22 20:03
XRevan86я есмь, ты еси, он есть, мы есмы, вы есте, они сутьJul 22 20:04
XRevan86did I get the order right? (:Jul 22 20:04
MinceRSri Syadasti Syadavaktavya Syadasti Syannasti Syadasti Cavaktavyasca Syadasti Syannasti Syadavatavyasca Syadasti Syannasti SyadavaktavyascaJul 22 20:04
XRevan86MinceR: Klaatu barada niktoJul 22 20:05
MinceRXRevan86: klatoo verada n*coughcough*Jul 22 20:05
psydroidyes, you got it right :)Jul 22 20:06
psydroidactually it's done differently in Sanskrit grammar :)Jul 22 20:06
XRevan86psydroid: What's done differently?Jul 22 20:08
psydroidXRevan86, it's done like singular/dual/many for the first, second and third person respectivelyJul 22 20:11
XRevan86So "asti" is for "we"?Jul 22 20:12
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psydroidasmi, svah, smah, asi, sthah, stha, asti, stah, santiJul 22 20:12
XRevan86I figured it's for he/she/it, as it's the closest to yestiJul 22 20:12
psydroidno, it is he/she/it as you would expectJul 22 20:13
psydroidit's just the order that is used for conjugationJul 22 20:13
psydroidI/we two/we all, you/you two/you all, he/they two/they allJul 22 20:14
psydroidhttps://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/%E0%A4%85%E0%A4%B8%E0%A5%8D%E0%A4%A4%E0%A4%BFJul 22 20:14
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-en.wiktionary.org | अस्ति - WiktionaryJul 22 20:14
XRevan86ahJul 22 20:14
XRevan86Didn't Polish retain conjugations for doubles?Jul 22 20:15
psydroidPolish didn't but Sloveniam didJul 22 20:15
psydroidSlovenian*Jul 22 20:15
psydroidI haven't got that far, thoughJul 22 20:17
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XRevan86not just young though, primordialJul 22 20:51
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MinceRhttps://full.pr0gramm.com/2019/06/25/6d45016f17a05fca.jpgJul 22 21:19
schestowitzoh my godJul 22 21:19
schestowitzhttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cthulhu Jul 22 21:20
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-en.wikipedia.org | Cthulhu - WikipediaJul 22 21:20
MinceRCthulhu is your god? :>Jul 22 21:20
schestowitzmy parents'Jul 22 21:20
schestowitzI was indoctrinated!Jul 22 21:20
XRevan86Who will explain to me why spelling and pronunciation do not add up? :)Jul 22 21:21
MinceR:>Jul 22 21:21
schestowitzthey made me wear pasta wishes, too!!Jul 22 21:21
schestowitzdishesJul 22 21:21
XRevan86https://youtu.be/yKwCccouTRQJul 22 21:22
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Милонов и Макаронный Монстр - YouTubeJul 22 21:22
XRevan86schestowitz: So you were indoctrinated in the Navalny Pasta Church?Jul 22 21:23
XRevan86(the video features Milonov, he's such a delight)Jul 22 21:24
XRevan86The abridged version: Pastafarians brought Milonov Pasta of Friendship after he wrote some nasty (not by his standards probably) stuff, he called them a Navalny Sect and the woman he also called an idiot.Jul 22 21:27
XRevan86Expressed a desire to see them swimming in the Moyka riverJul 22 21:27
schestowitzNo idea about that...Jul 22 21:28
XRevan86schestowitz: I'm just referencing a controversial figure: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vitaly_Milonov#ControversyJul 22 21:29
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-en.wikipedia.org | Vitaly Milonov - WikipediaJul 22 21:29
scientesTim Cook is gay?Jul 22 21:37
scientesthat's new to meJul 22 21:37
scientesanyways, he ain't Steve JobsJul 22 21:37
scientesOn October 30, 2014, Milonov spoke out about Apple CEO Tim Cook's homosexuality and said on the FlashNord website: “What could he bring us? The Ebola virus, AIDS, gonorrhea? They all have unseemly ties over there.” [7] Jul 22 21:37
scientesok that is rediculousJul 22 21:38
scientes(except for AIDS)Jul 22 21:38
XRevan86Milonov is ridiculousJul 22 21:38
XRevan86scientes: Russia somehow got an outbreak AIDS anywayJul 22 21:38
XRevan86* of AIDSJul 22 21:38
scientesyou mean of HIVJul 22 21:38
XRevan86scientes: yesJul 22 21:38
XRevan86sorry %)Jul 22 21:38
scientesChina is woorseJul 22 21:39
scientesbecause they don't have sex edJul 22 21:39
XRevan86scientes: You toldJul 22 21:39
MinceRi guess tim crook hopes this publicity stunt will help him sell more overpriced shoddy evil shitJul 22 21:39
XRevan86scientes: Russia barely has any as wellJul 22 21:39
scientesoh yesJul 22 21:39
scientespeople have to learn from porn in Russia as wellJul 22 21:39
scienteswhich is a horrible source of informationJul 22 21:39
XRevan86scientes: Not necessarilyJul 22 21:40
XRevan86scientes: Booklets in hospitals, etc.Jul 22 21:40
scientesor the way people always learned in the past: animalsJul 22 21:40
scientesother mammelsJul 22 21:40
XRevan86Or the ancient source of wisdom: WikipediaJul 22 21:41
scientesHEHEHEHEEJul 22 21:41
scientesLike this man here: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5aV_850nzv4Jul 22 21:41
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Tribe meets white man for the first time 1/3 (with narration) - YouTubeJul 22 21:41
scientesHis story of himself (translated) was that he was unlike the pigs, because it was only him in the womb.Jul 22 21:41
XRevan86Wikipedia, how to snu-snu, trah-trah safely?Jul 22 21:41
scientesWikipedia is REALLY bad on those topics tooJul 22 21:42
scientesbecause it got taken over be lib-tardsJul 22 21:42
schestowitztoday  I read LF-related topics in wikipediaJul 22 21:42
XRevan86scientes: That word is so over-used I have no idea who that is.Jul 22 21:42
schestowitzLinux Foundation, OSDL etc.Jul 22 21:42
schestowitzAwful 'balance'Jul 22 21:42
schestowitzIt's like PR agencies wrote it allJul 22 21:42
scientesschestowitz, i wouldn't be suprisedJul 22 21:43
XRevan86scientes: Apparently a cognate of Russian liberastJul 22 21:43
scientesI had to correct just totally wrong information the other dayJul 22 21:43
scientesit said that SIGFPE couldn't be integer math, and it had a sourceJul 22 21:43
schestowitz[21:37] <scientes> Tim Cook is gay?Jul 22 21:43
XRevan86scientes: But somehow I doubt it means Yeltsin reform supportersJul 22 21:43
scientesbut its completely wrongJul 22 21:43
schestowitzhe was more happy after adding Apple to PRISMJul 22 21:43
scientesXRevan86, well its hard to define, basically angstyJul 22 21:43
scientesThis guy had a good analysis of who liberals are https://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-srv/national/longterm/unabomber/manifesto.text.htm?noredirect=onJul 22 21:44
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-washingtonpost.com: Unabomber Special ReportJul 22 21:44
XRevan86scientes: angsty have a problem with contraception?Jul 22 21:44
schestowitzhis manifesto was mediocreJul 22 21:45
schestowitzapparently he could not do much but bombsJul 22 21:45
scientesyeah but he is the only person i have read from that understood liberalsJul 22 21:45
schestowitzand even sucked at thoseJul 22 21:45
XRevan86scientes: How many symbols is that?Jul 22 21:45
scientesschestowitz, he was a mathmatician before thatJul 22 21:45
schestowitzshould have just killed himself, he was worthlessJul 22 21:45
scientesschestowitz, and then he was part of a CIA experiementJul 22 21:46
schestowitzyeahJul 22 21:46
schestowitzmkultraJul 22 21:46
XRevan86> (Paragraph 219) Many leftists are motivated also by hostility, but the hostility probably results in part from a frustrated need for power.Jul 22 21:46
schestowitzmessed up his mind, he became one of the main argument against that CIA programmeJul 22 21:46
XRevan86I think I've seen enough.Jul 22 21:46
schestowitz*agumentsJul 22 21:46
schestowitzI'm in fact not aware of many of the other arguments, but he's one of several who are evidence of longterm effectsJul 22 21:46
*XRevan86 wants power. Gimme, gimme.Jul 22 21:47
scientesbut liberals are like thatJul 22 21:47
scientesit is very angstyJul 22 21:47
scientesnot real powerJul 22 21:47
scientesit is what we were talking about the other dayJul 22 21:47
*schestowitz doesn't know what liberals means anymoreJul 22 21:47
schestowitz(they call HRC "liberal")Jul 22 21:47
scientesschestowitz, I have a lot of respect for liberalism of Adam Smith and John Stewart MillJul 22 21:47
scientesbut yes these words don't mean muchJul 22 21:48
scientestodayJul 22 21:48
schestowitzYou taught me about Monroe Doctrine ages agoJul 22 21:48
schestowitzmaybe more than a decade I think you also introduced me to Liz Warren around 2009Jul 22 21:48
schestowitznow she's a lot more famousJul 22 21:48
scientesyeah I don't like Warren anymoreJul 22 21:48
scientesbut yes I rememberJul 22 21:48
schestowitzBut they call it "liberal". Now the word "progressive" gets usedJul 22 21:48
schestowitzEven by those who are nowJul 22 21:49
schestowitznotJul 22 21:49
scientesbut is has nothing to do with the progressives of the 1920sJul 22 21:49
XRevan86schestowitz: I'd guess it's everyone who's more open-minded than Donald Trump.Jul 22 21:49
scientesand they are pretty dumb tooJul 22 21:49
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scientesthat new Congresswoman and her "Green New Deal"---its technically incompetenceJul 22 21:49
scientesthese people should be laughed atJul 22 21:50
XRevan86The best kind of progress is token progress. Discrete and easy to measure.Jul 22 21:51
schestowitzGND is better than nothingJul 22 21:54
schestowitz(which is where we are now)Jul 22 21:54
schestowitzbetter condemn those who deny the issue than spare energy on those who at least talk about the underlying issue and want to address it Jul 22 21:54
schestowitz(somehow)Jul 22 21:55
scienteswhere we are now is Iran detaining two british ships in the straight of HormuzJul 22 21:55
schestowitzresponse to what UK didJul 22 21:55
schestowitzthe UK should have stayed out of Trump's silly oil hamesJul 22 21:55
schestowitzit was dragged in by criminals like BoltonJul 22 21:56
schestowitzand now there are altercationsJul 22 21:56
scienteseww I just bought a Portugeese keyboard but it is english modeJul 22 21:59
scientesso the keys dont matchJul 22 21:59
schestowitzdo you watch while you type?Jul 22 22:01
scientesnoJul 22 22:01
schestowitzSometimes you should rely on reflexJul 22 22:01
schestowitzdon't lookJul 22 22:01
schestowitzIn DE/CH the y and z are swappedJul 22 22:01
scientesThat is frenchJul 22 22:02
scientesnot german/swissJul 22 22:02
scientesoh i'm talking about something differn'tJul 22 22:02
scientesazertyJul 22 22:02
scientesI used Dvorsak for a whileJul 22 22:02
MinceR(audio:important) https://vid.pr0gramm.com/2019/06/24/b7a6133afa45660b.mp4Jul 22 22:02
scientesand I actually popped out the keys and rearranged them so it would be correctJul 22 22:02
scientes*DvorakJul 22 22:03
scientesThe problem was that ctrl-c et cetera are all messed upJul 22 22:03
scientesreally the ctrl-layer should switch back to qwerty layoutJul 22 22:03
scientesbut I guess no-one has been that genius yetJul 22 22:03
XRevan86DvorakJul 22 22:04
XRevan86oh, too lateJul 22 22:04
scienteshttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1-YiERbdGsQJul 22 22:05
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schestowitzMinceR: lolJul 22 22:13
MinceR(audio:important) https://vid.pr0gramm.com/2019/06/24/4a6be751452e3408.mp4Jul 22 22:27
scientesuggh GDDP pop upsJul 22 23:24
scientesi need a GDDP popup blockerJul 22 23:24
scienteshttps://www.reddit.com/r/YouShouldKnow/comments/8mq4rm/ysk_ublock_origin_has_optional_filter_lists_that/Jul 22 23:26
scientesboomJul 22 23:26
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.reddit.com | YSK: uBlock Origin has optional filter lists that blocks all the GDPR notices that websites puts over their content. : YouShouldKnowJul 22 23:26
XRevan86scientes: I have it enabled for so long. Explains why I'm not annoyed (:.Jul 22 23:42
scientesthe worst part is that most site just block you from seeing anything until you hit "accept"Jul 22 23:43
scientesI want to click a button that say "fuck off"Jul 22 23:43
scientesa few sites (only written by geeks) allow you to click a "no"Jul 22 23:44
scientesbut that is rareJul 22 23:44
scientesIBM actually allows that, interestinglyJul 22 23:44
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schestowitzpsydroid: slack got crackedJul 23 11:52
schestowitznow they lie about the extentJul 23 11:52
schestowitzthe old tricks.. http://techrights.org/2019/07/20/slack-is-dead/Jul 23 11:52
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psydroidschestowitz  I linked your article in a comment on a news article about Slack releasing a new version of their application/websiteJul 23 11:58
psydroidsome people get really defensive about the tools they useJul 23 11:58
psydroidmy university switched to self-hosted Mattermost instances when GDPR came into effectJul 23 11:59
schestowitzI combat Slack idiots every dayJul 23 11:59
schestowitzamazing that they made IRC an IPO thingJul 23 12:00
schestowitzmaybe having trolls online to defend their incompetence and create fake hype served towards hereJul 23 12:00
schestowitzhandling of companies like they're mere Facebook wallsJul 23 12:00
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MinceRhttps://i.imgur.com/joDHPL5.mp4   ( https://imgur.com/gallery/HmFQmhD )Jul 23 13:44
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MinceRhttps://ircz.de/p/19053128Jul 23 14:47
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XRevan86Lineage – this is one of the best episodes of Star Trek: VoyagerJul 23 17:07
XRevan86I went to Wikipedia to check: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lineage_(Star_Trek:_Voyager)Jul 23 17:07
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XRevan86> In 2012, in a review of the series, Den of Geek ranked this the tenth best episode of Star Trek: Voyager.Jul 23 17:08
scientesCööl, my compose key now works.Jul 23 17:08
scientescaps lock as composeJul 23 17:08
XRevan86Кёол?Jul 23 17:08
XRevan86The last season of ST:V has a lot of good writing. Weird, with DS9 the last seasons were the worst.Jul 23 17:09
scientesëJul 23 17:09
scientesKoërnigJul 23 17:09
XRevan86At the same time, that the series is coming to an end feels less justified.Jul 23 17:09
XRevan86scientes: Not to be confused with the Latin "ë", yesJul 23 17:10
XRevan86Sometimes it's used in transliterations though. For the exact same reasons as in Cyrillic.Jul 23 17:10
XRevan86Khruschev – not phonetic, Khruschov – not really a transliterationJul 23 17:11
scientesКёопJul 23 17:11
XRevan86Khruschëv – a compromiseJul 23 17:11
scienteshmm compose key wont make ёJul 23 17:11
XRevan86scientes: Did for me.Jul 23 17:11
scientesgnomeJul 23 17:11
XRevan86Compose + e + "Jul 23 17:11
scientesthe cyrillic oneJul 23 17:11
scientesoh i tried to use :Jul 23 17:12
XRevan86scientes: The Cyrillic one is supposed to have a separate key.Jul 23 17:12
scientesit doesJul 23 17:12
scientesbut compose key should also work :)Jul 23 17:12
XRevan86scientes: I haven't seen any Compose combinations that involve Cyrillic.Jul 23 17:12
scienteshmm how do i  access the 3rd level?Jul 23 17:13
*XRevan86 isn't sure what that would be.Jul 23 17:13
scientesI see a rouble on this keymapJul 23 17:13
scientesbut its the third level so i have no idea how to access itJul 23 17:14
XRevan86scientes: Ah. I have no idea either (:Jul 23 17:14
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scienteswow that is a really good advertising video https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=13B5K_lAabwJul 23 17:31
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*XRevan86 never broke a phone's glass.Jul 23 17:36
XRevan86I don't know what I'm doing right.Jul 23 17:36
scientesi lost 2 phonesJul 23 17:36
scientesone of the reasons i refuse to buy expensive phonesJul 23 17:36
XRevan86Possibly not buying expensive devices that tend to be tightly packed.Jul 23 17:36
scientesmaybe you don't live in a concrete jungle?Jul 23 17:37
scientescause every time i've broken mine it was dropping on concreteJul 23 17:37
XRevan86scientes: I did drop on concrete as well.Jul 23 17:37
XRevan86The phone that I dropped got a big scratch on the screen as a result.Jul 23 17:38
scientesin that test there isn't even a scratchJul 23 17:38
scientesI also had the 3D phone onceJul 23 17:38
scienteswith a  autostereoscopic displayJul 23 17:39
scienteswater killed that oneJul 23 17:39
XRevan86scientes: Notable that that phone was cheap and didn't have Gorilla Glass or anything.Jul 23 17:41
scienteswell there are two competitors to gorilla glassJul 23 17:41
XRevan86or rather doesn't have, I can still use itJul 23 17:41
scientesthat are basically the same thingJul 23 17:41
XRevan86scientes: That's why I added "or anything" %)Jul 23 17:41
scientesohJul 23 17:41
scientesi looked up the historyJul 23 17:41
scientesand Apple directly contracted Corning to create them a glass for the iPhoneJul 23 17:41
XRevan86Huawei Ascend Y300 to be exact.Jul 23 17:42
scientesthat is Steve Jobs for youJul 23 17:42
XRevan86scientes: I've noticed that the video is from 2014. Explains why he has such a nice small device on his palm :)Jul 23 17:43
scientesheheheheheJul 23 17:43
scientesyeah i still like em smallJul 23 17:44
scientesand cheapJul 23 17:44
scientesI've had friends that use Chemistry glass wear as their drinking cupsJul 23 17:45
scientesthey really are betterJul 23 17:45
scientesand not that expensive (just not profitable enough to be sold as such)Jul 23 17:45
scientesborosilicate glassJul 23 17:45
XRevan86scientes: It makes the video more ironic that iPhone's with broken glass are more common than their counterparts %)Jul 23 17:46
XRevan865 years laterJul 23 17:46
scientesi.e. pyrexJul 23 17:46
XRevan86Broken glass, clearly a thing of the past.Jul 23 17:46
scientespyrex of course was designed for chemistryJul 23 17:47
scientesthe kitchenware was just a way of re-selling itJul 23 17:47
scientesas is typicalJul 23 17:47
scientesand when i worked installing fiber opticsJul 23 17:47
scientesmuch was made in KoreaJul 23 17:47
scientesbut yes Corning also still makes itJul 23 17:48
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scientesand it was of course invented at Bell LabsJul 23 17:48
scientesAT&T bell labs: the lab that made its parent company's infrastructure obsoleteJul 23 17:49
scientesdamn watch the first video tooJul 23 17:52
scientesthis phone was cool https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/HTC_Evo_3DJul 23 17:53
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scientesthey are really cheap on ebayJul 23 17:53
scientesif you want to be able to take 3d pictures and look at themJul 23 17:53
scientesi guess the 3DS was more successful with that technologyJul 23 17:54
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oiaohmscientes: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pyrex#History and https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Duran_(glass)   Sorry Pyrex by corning was not designed for chemistry.  borosilicate glass was first a Duran product world war 1 with the war against german USA could not get Duran any more so Corning made as Pyrex yes first products did include kittenware of Pyrex because Duran had already got to that point. Jul 23 20:16
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-en.wikipedia.org | Pyrex - WikipediaJul 23 20:16
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oiaohmscientes: Like its the right idea that borosilicate glass was first designed for chemistory then when into kitchen ware but it Corning did not do that step.  Duran is the company that that step.   Basically Corning Pyrex is a kockoff product.Jul 23 20:19
XRevan86https://lists.exim.org/lurker/message/20190722.100246.84e0d382.en.htmlJul 23 20:32
XRevan86> We consider the risk of an exploit as low, you need to have a fairly unusual runtime configuration. Neither our default runtime configuration nor the runtime configuration shipped by the Debian distribution is vulnerable.Jul 23 20:32
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XRevan86Where's the fun in that?Jul 23 20:32
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oiaohmXRevan86: there are a large number of exploits for Linux programs where the default configuration used by distributions they don't work.Jul 23 20:36
XRevan86oiaohm: Well, yeaJul 23 20:50
XRevan86oiaohm: It's just that Exim in on a streak :)Jul 23 20:50
XRevan86is onJul 23 20:50
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MinceRhttps://66.media.tumblr.com/11926db1162e94cb7a409c343386b57f/tumblr_pv41ctlgff1ukfpx2o1_1280.jpgJul 23 20:55
XRevan86I wonder when was the last time a significant vulnerability was found in postfixJul 23 21:11
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MinceRhttps://ircz.de/p/19053121Jul 23 22:01
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MinceRhttps://vid.pr0gramm.com/2019/05/28/4bdd10e7ddfc7fef.mp4Jul 23 22:14
MinceRhttps://ircz.de/p/19053059Jul 23 22:38
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MinceRhttps://img.pr0gramm.com/2019/06/24/4b2ea65caf589eb4.jpgJul 23 23:05
scientesoiaohm, oh yes of course, I didn't realize it was that early. Of course Germany was a leader in chemistry: the US didn't have synthetic rubber until after the warJul 23 23:22
scientesthanks for the informationJul 23 23:22
scientesthe us did have triethyl lead even though it invented in GermanyJul 23 23:24
scientesand stupidly used it even though it wasn't necesssaryJul 23 23:24
scientesor maybe that is wrongJul 23 23:24
scientesanyways the US had plenty of oil and never needed to use that horrible stuffJul 23 23:24
scientesonly Germany needed it for their coal-based oilJul 23 23:24
scientesyeah that makes sense, in that advertising video i was kinda skeptical of the claim that corning was always in the leadJul 23 23:25
scientesXRevan86, in the place I am from there was a Milk company that could undercut the big co-op, because it processed the milk on site, instead of (expensively) trunking it (refrigerated trucks) in circlesJul 23 23:27
MinceRhttps://img.pr0gramm.com/2019/06/24/d6a4113aac480b76.jpgJul 23 23:27
scientesand then the US government stepped in and basically put them out of businessJul 23 23:27
scientesMinceR, that one is oldJul 23 23:27
scientesand paying with pennies is betterJul 23 23:28
MinceRhow do you refer to pigs with pennies, though?Jul 23 23:28
scienteshttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zf6vF_X-jEAJul 23 23:29
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Paying A $400 Traffic Ticket With Pennies - YouTubeJul 23 23:29
scientesthey are all ass-holes in that caseJul 23 23:29
scientesbut the official is the bigger ass-hole because like most cops these days he doesn't give a shit what the law isJul 23 23:29
scienteslegal tender is legal tenderJul 23 23:29
scientesand he is also an asshole about itJul 23 23:30
scienteshttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=08AEqhvCZTIJul 23 23:31
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Court Officers follow and attack man who paid his ticket in pennies - YouTubeJul 23 23:31
scientessuch a lawless countryJul 23 23:31
scientesa penny is not worthlessJul 23 23:32
scientesthere are 1-rouble coins stillJul 23 23:34
MinceRhttps://img.pr0gramm.com/2019/06/24/fade0518faea8f10.pngJul 24 00:01
scientesTumor: grows backJul 24 00:03
MinceRbut before that, patient thanks "God" for what the medical doctors didJul 24 00:04
*XRevan86 waits for priests to pick up an idea that maybe G-dЪ does that to train the doctors.Jul 24 00:17
XRevan86The divine final exam.Jul 24 00:17
XRevan86That implies that such a child is expendable and has no purpose in life after that, but that's part of the fun, as consistency was never their forté.Jul 24 00:19
scientesXRevan86, i saw some spanish jewish web site that had "D--s"Jul 24 00:26
scientesit kinda ruined it for meJul 24 00:26
XRevan86scientes: That's to be expected from Hebrews though.Jul 24 00:27
scientesif monotheism is going to be as superstitious as the other religions, and copy the G-d thing as if it is the definition of Judaism, then  it is just the blind leading the blind, except they are arrogant about itJul 24 00:27
scientesbut i guess it of course came from that the copiers ot the Torah would leave Jehovah outJul 24 00:27
scientescause they were afraid to see or speak or anything god's nameJul 24 00:27
scientescause I already appreciated the book, and kinda just put up with the superstition because you can't argue with these type of peopleJul 24 00:28
scientesbut seeing it in spanish made me realize that people can't tell the difference between the ideas and the superstitionJul 24 00:28
XRevan86scientes: Let's just say, Church Slavonic text always abbreviate words for god with a titlo.Jul 24 00:29
XRevan86* textsJul 24 00:29
XRevan86Like "Бг҃ъ"Jul 24 00:30
scienteshow do i print line 575 of a file?Jul 24 00:30
scientesso they have the same thingJul 24 00:31
scientesi don't think catholics ever did thatJul 24 00:31
scientesand the protestants certainly don'tJul 24 00:31
scientesthey even came up with this "JAHWEH"Jul 24 00:31
XRevan86scientes: With sed or with a combination of head|tailJul 24 00:32
scienteswhich is dumb, because the "W" sound doesn't exist in HebrewJul 24 00:32
XRevan86https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nomina_sacraJul 24 00:35
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XRevan86https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sigma#Lunate_sigma this explains the Cyrillic form.Jul 24 00:38
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-en.wikipedia.org | Sigma - WikipediaJul 24 00:38
scienteshttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/TetragrammatonJul 24 00:40
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scienteshttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MJTiDMfDeyEJul 24 00:41
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-James Ingram Michael McDonald Yah Mo Be There Extended version - YouTubeJul 24 00:41
XRevan86> which is dumb, because the "W" sound doesn't exist in HebrewJul 24 00:45
XRevan86I guess it should rather be read as a "V"Jul 24 00:45
XRevan86> It represents the consonant [w] in original Hebrew, and [v] in modern HebrewJul 24 00:46
XRevan86Or maybe not.Jul 24 00:46
XRevan86scientes: Hebrew changed apparently.Jul 24 00:46
scientesoh okJul 24 00:46
scientescause I had a rabbi that knew hebrew that was adament about thisJul 24 00:47
XRevan86Either by influence from German/Yiddish or Russian.Jul 24 00:47
scientesdo you know what a schmuck is?Jul 24 00:47
scientesfew do, and dictionaries don't define itJul 24 00:47
XRevan86scientes: https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/schmuck#German this, you mean?Jul 24 00:48
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-en.wiktionary.org | schmuck - WiktionaryJul 24 00:48
scientesoh interestingJul 24 00:48
scientesi always thought it was yiddishJul 24 00:49
scientesi guess the jews in germany redefined itJul 24 00:49
XRevan86scientes: Yiddish is a Germanic language after allJul 24 00:49
scientesactually that is pretty closeJul 24 00:49
scientesit just doesn't have the "real" definition thereJul 24 00:49
scientesand the reason it is a pejorativeJul 24 00:49
scientes *smewg- (“to slip, glide, slide”). Jul 24 00:50
scientes+ smuk (“ornament, jewellery”)),Jul 24 00:50
scientesyeah its all closeJul 24 00:50
scientesits the skin that a circumcision takes offJul 24 00:50
scientesso the joke is that was the person's better halfJul 24 00:50
*XRevan86 scratches his head.Jul 24 00:51
scientesoh it has it here Jul 24 00:51
scientes    (colloquial, vulgar) The penis. Jul 24 00:51
scientesFrom Yiddish שמאָק‎ (shmok, “penis”).Jul 24 00:51
scientesbut still doesn't get the whole thingJul 24 00:51
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XRevan86scientes: What do you think is the best way to distinguish with words the ethnicity and the religion?Jul 24 00:52
scientes±Jul 24 00:52
scientesThe penisJul 24 00:52
scientes±Jul 24 00:52
scientesAn item or person that is considered uselessJul 24 00:52
scientes±Jul 24 00:52
XRevan86Like еврей / иудей, but in EnglishJul 24 00:52
scientesA jerk; an unpleasant or detestable personJul 24 00:52
scientessee that almost has itJul 24 00:52
scientesиудейJul 24 00:53
scienteshard for me to read that oneJul 24 00:53
XRevan86scientes: English tends to give that definition to every penis-wordJul 24 00:53
scientesyeah, you make a good pointJul 24 00:53
XRevan86Except for "penis" %)Jul 24 00:53
XRevan86too slow on a tongue possiblyJul 24 00:54
scientestoo medicalJul 24 00:54
XRevan86Indeed.Jul 24 00:54
XRevan86> hard for me to read that oneJul 24 00:54
XRevan86scientes: What about "Иисус"?Jul 24 00:54
scientesis that jesus?Jul 24 00:55
XRevan86scientes: yesJul 24 00:55
scientesoh judasJul 24 00:55
XRevan86scientes: Is that hard to pronounce as well?Jul 24 00:55
scientesnoJul 24 00:56
XRevan86So ii is fine but iu isn't? hmJul 24 00:56
scientesI think its that I'm not use to reading vowels and actually having them represent soundsJul 24 00:56
XRevan86ayadiy? :)Jul 24 00:57
XRevan86scientes: I keep wondering why in English it's fine that the name Jesus (and Judas too for that matter) has a significant pronunciation change.Jul 24 01:00
scientesyes in Arabic its IsaJul 24 01:00
scientessimilar Jul 24 01:00
scientesand then in Spanish HesusJul 24 01:01
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XRevan86scientes: That's also a spelling-influence pronunciation change, yes.Jul 24 01:01
XRevan86-influencedJul 24 01:01
scientesoh Jul 24 01:01
scientes<scientes> yes in Arabic its IsaJul 24 01:01
scientes<scientes> similar Jul 24 01:01
scientesahh JesúsJul 24 01:01
scientessame spellingJul 24 01:01
scientesbut the letters are pronounced differnentlyJul 24 01:01
scientesand there are quite varied pronounciations of GeorgeJul 24 01:02
XRevan86scientes: You can also notice that "Иисус" is reflecting Byzantine Greek pronunciation %)Jul 24 01:02
scientesso many versions of the George nameJul 24 01:03
scientesIn Lima there is a state to "Jorge Washington"Jul 24 01:03
scientes*statueJul 24 01:03
XRevan86ΙηϲȣϲJul 24 01:04
XRevan86→ Yesus/IesusJul 24 01:04
scientesthat is much more similar to the SpanishJul 24 01:04
XRevan86scientes: Is it? It's not a /h/ or /x/Jul 24 01:05
scientesbut yeJul 24 01:05
scientesas it yourJul 24 01:05
scientesits still closer than the englishJul 24 01:05
XRevan86scientes: It's closer than Джизас that's for sure :)Jul 24 01:06
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scientesahh yes that makes more sense than the latin tooJul 24 01:06
scientesits exactly how its pronounced in englishJul 24 01:06
scientesZeusJul 24 01:07
scientesя ZeusJul 24 01:08
scientes:)Jul 24 01:08
XRevan86Хорошо, ты Зеўс %).Jul 24 01:08
scienteshe did claim he was king of the jews AMIRITE :)Jul 24 01:08
XRevan86It's just that I suspect in English prayers are addressed to Mr. Dzhizas Krayst. What's even the point of addressing by name if it's barely recognisable?Jul 24 01:10
scienteshttps://thepiratebay.org/torrent/20891958/Jesus.Christ.Superstar.Live.in.Concert.2018.WEBRip.x264-CAFFEiNEJul 24 01:11
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scientesI think that kinda misses the pointJul 24 01:11
XRevan86scientes: A remake?Jul 24 01:12
scientesthe originalJul 24 01:12
scientesrather than a movie versionJul 24 01:12
XRevan86ah, I seeJul 24 01:13
scientesoh no its this one I saw https://thepiratebay.org/torrent/8174695/Jesus.Christ.Superstar.Live.Arena.Tour.2012.720p.BluRay.x264-FKKJul 24 01:13
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scientesand Andrew LLoyd Webber actually comes on stage at the endJul 24 01:13
XRevan86And I thought the film was too theatrical :)Jul 24 01:13
XRevan86here I guess theatre levels are to the maxJul 24 01:13
scientesor that Les Miserables was too romantic :)Jul 24 01:14
scientesjust wait till you read the bookJul 24 01:14
scientesLés MiserablesJul 24 01:14
scientesaha, I have a compose key now!Jul 24 01:14
scienteswell yeah that it is a rock opera, where every word is in songJul 24 01:15
scientesmakes it quite theatrical :)Jul 24 01:15
XRevan86scientes: I also meant decorations, etc.Jul 24 01:16
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XRevan86scientes: By theatrical I mean that Monty Python and the Holy Grail looks more like a movie than Jesus Christ Superstar :).Jul 24 01:18
XRevan86scientes: If I remember the film correctly, they're practically moving from one set to another.Jul 24 01:19
scienteslots of movies are like thatJul 24 01:19
XRevan86and not trying even a bit to hide thatJul 24 01:19
scientesRent, West Side StoryJul 24 01:19
scientesfamous broadway musicalsJul 24 01:20
scientesI def. felt that way when I saw RentJul 24 01:20
scientes(which really isn't that great)Jul 24 01:20
XRevan86scientes: I'm not saying it's bad, just that it's not very film-like.Jul 24 01:20
scienteswell it was 1973 tooJul 24 01:20
scientesHollywood existed, but it wasn't as commercial as it became 10 years laterJul 24 01:21
scientesand thus professionalJul 24 01:21
scientesbut again plenty of movies are like thatJul 24 01:21
scienteshowever JCS was never done with setsJul 24 01:21
scienteswell, maybe some of the shitty versionsJul 24 01:22
scientesthe album was a huge hitJul 24 01:22
scientes#1 in the USJul 24 01:22
scientes<scientes> Hollywood existed, but it wasn't as commercial as it became 10 years laterJul 24 01:24
scientesactually Hollywood was extremely profession, especially 20s-50sJul 24 01:25
scientesand even beforeJul 24 01:25
scientesso yeah IDKJul 24 01:25
XRevan86scientes: I figured it is an homageJul 24 01:26
XRevan86not a bug but a featureJul 24 01:26
scientesIDK, i really didn't like that movieJul 24 01:26
scientesit was too 70s (what is generally known as 60s)Jul 24 01:26
scientesit just seemed hippyJul 24 01:26
XRevan86It just told the story of Jesus Christ with a rather typical interpretation of his death at the end.Jul 24 01:27
scienteswell it has alot of Judas in itJul 24 01:27
XRevan86I expected something more… rad :)Jul 24 01:27
scientesbut I liked that 2012 version much betterJul 24 01:27
scientesi kinda skipped through the movie, didn't like itJul 24 01:27
scientesI just can't take hippies seriouslyJul 24 01:28
XRevan86It painted Judas not as a villain. I guess that can be controversial.Jul 24 01:28
scientesyes, Judas was a very complicated character in that oneJul 24 01:28
XRevan86But overall, the story wasn't that interesting.Jul 24 01:31
scienteswell yeahJul 24 01:31
XRevan86I'm not a Christian, I'm not invested in these characters %)Jul 24 01:31
scienteswhat about phantom of the opera?Jul 24 01:31
XRevan86scientes: Never read it.Jul 24 01:32
scientesits a musicalJul 24 01:32
scientessame writer: Andrew LLoyd WebberJul 24 01:32
scienteshttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tE6SRBnDHx8Jul 24 01:32
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Nicole Scherzinger - Phantom Of The Opera (Royal Variety Performance - December 14) - YouTubeJul 24 01:32
XRevan86I'm not into musicals in general %)Jul 24 01:32
scientesheheJul 24 01:32
scientesyeah its not the greatestJul 24 01:33
scientesand this is the "meta-musical"Jul 24 01:33
scientes"the phantom of the opera is there inside your mind"Jul 24 01:33
XRevan86right next to the spirit of communism, yesJul 24 01:34
XRevan86* spectreJul 24 01:35
scienteshe more recently did School of Rock musicalJul 24 01:35
scientesi found a filmed version of itJul 24 01:35
scientesit sucksJul 24 01:35
scientesI did like Book of Mormon musicalJul 24 01:36
scientesthe all-american prophetJul 24 01:36
scientesyes, the US has its own prophetJul 24 01:36
scientesI even see their missionaries here in PeruJul 24 01:36
XRevan86do they work at McDonalds?Jul 24 01:36
scienteseverywhere except the countries that ban themJul 24 01:36
scientes(such as Russia)Jul 24 01:36
scientesand many muslim countriesJul 24 01:37
scientesand also China, which is still atheistJul 24 01:37
scientesaparently Vietnam lets them inJul 24 01:38
XRevan86> The book describes itself as a chronicle of early indigenous peoples of the Americas and their dealings with God.Jul 24 01:38
scientes<XRevan86> do they work at McDonalds?Jul 24 01:38
scienteswhat do you mean?Jul 24 01:38
XRevan86Very appealing.Jul 24 01:38
XRevan86scientes: The all-american prophetJul 24 01:38
XRevan86scientes: What could possibly be more all-american than working at McDonalds?Jul 24 01:39
scientesI think the musical, which is a satire, is a reasonable introJul 24 01:39
scientesfor thinking peopleJul 24 01:39
XRevan86or at least dining thereJul 24 01:39
scientesXRevan86, you should read Fast Food NationJul 24 01:39
scientesmeh, its just OKJul 24 01:39
XRevan86scientes: Not very relatable stuff to me.Jul 24 01:40
scientesI went to a wood-shop in Costa Rica that had a bunch of US steel equipment that they were still usingJul 24 01:40
scientespowered by a water-wheelJul 24 01:40
XRevan86I could as well read about politics of Mars.Jul 24 01:40
scientescause the actually holy book: The Book of Mormon, is pretty denseJul 24 01:41
scientesand written in kinda ugly EnglishJul 24 01:41
XRevan86scientes: Aren't they all.Jul 24 01:41
scientesarchetypal 1800s language, immitating the KJV of the bibleJul 24 01:42
XRevan86scientes: cuteJul 24 01:42
scientesI would describe it (completely seriously) as Jesus fan-fictionJul 24 01:42
XRevan86As if KJV is an authority on Bible.Jul 24 01:43
XRevan86The implied thought that he was is already hilarious.Jul 24 01:43
scientesI actually think he (the prophet and polygamist Joseph Smith) had something to say, but I don't think you can get that unless you watch the musicalJul 24 01:44
XRevan86scientes: Everyone has something to say.Jul 24 01:44
XRevan86sometimes even of valueJul 24 01:44
scientesI mean, it tells the story of how Jesus visited the USJul 24 01:45
XRevan86Making a religion doesn't make his ideas more worthwhile than ideas of a random Internet blog.Jul 24 01:45
scientesits pretty outlandishJul 24 01:45
scientesas I said, Jesus fan-fictionJul 24 01:45
XRevan86And why would I read mediocre fan-fiction or watch musicals staged on them when I can spend my time re-reading hpmor :PJul 24 01:46
scienteswell the music is making fun of itJul 24 01:46
scientes*musicalJul 24 01:46
scientesits the south part creatorsJul 24 01:46
scientes*parkJul 24 01:46
XRevan86scientes: But I don't know the source material.Jul 24 01:46
scientesI've even read old Arabic texts that the church paid to translate into EnglishJul 24 01:48
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XRevan86scientes: Do they mention Native Americans?Jul 24 01:53
scientesits a bunch of different imaginary familiesJul 24 01:55
scientesthe appearance of Jesus to the NephitesJul 24 01:55
scientesits kinda wackyJul 24 01:56
scientesif you would to say that he was just trying to justify his marrying multiple wives I wouldn't tell you you were wrongJul 24 01:56
scientes /s/was just//Jul 24 01:56
scientesJust like its undeniable that Mohammad used religion to solidify his power and win wars.Jul 24 01:57
scientesthe point is that it is kinda a bunch of feel-good stories, and its not really clear (even in the dogma) that these things every happenedJul 24 01:59
scientesor that the "gold plates" that it was written on even existJul 24 01:59
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scientesso its kinda taking the idea that jesus may never have lived and turing it on its headJul 24 02:00
scientesits quite simpleJul 24 02:00
scientesmehJul 24 02:00
scientesnot nearly as interesting as Mohammed and KoranJul 24 02:00
scientesbut perhaps not as crazy as Protestants trying to take the Bible literally (which is what Joseph Smith was around)Jul 24 02:02
scientesas this was the "second great awakening"Jul 24 02:03
scientesbut imagine a Jew or Christian or Muslim going "Meh, maybe our book is totally made-up."Jul 24 02:07
scienteswell Christians do do that...Jul 24 02:08
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XRevan86scientes: Then I'd wonder why they're still believers.Jul 24 02:09
scienteswell they admit that their prophet wrote itJul 24 02:09
scienteswhich is basically the opposite of the KoranJul 24 02:10
scientesor maybe i don't know what I'm talking aboutJul 24 02:10
scientescause I have never actually been able to have a discussion with one of these guysJul 24 02:11
scientesthe missionaries never want to talk about this stuffJul 24 02:11
scientesnor any actual mormon i've knownJul 24 02:11
scientes(and the US has lots of them)Jul 24 02:11
scientesanyways, religious people are a waste of timeJul 24 02:12
scientesand the actual church is kinda a cultJul 24 02:13
scienteslike they have this big meeting, and everyone always votes the sameJul 24 02:13
scientesits like a communist party meetingJul 24 02:13
scientesand I do like the Odyssey better than AbrahamJul 24 02:15
scientesAbraham is pretty weirdJul 24 02:15
scientesoh god its a creepy cultJul 24 02:30
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schestowitzsee site in screenshot  https://irnpost.com/rss-guard-3-5-9/Jul 24 04:24
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psydroidschestowitz, some Slack fanatics told me that you can use Slack Enterprise with your own encryption keys, so Slack can't look at yoir messages. How this makes up for the fact they've been pwned and will probably be pwned again, I don't know ...Jul 24 09:43
schestowitzahaJul 24 09:49
schestowitzpay themJul 24 09:49
schestowitzto get pwnedJul 24 09:49
schestowitzwhat's better than getting pwnedJul 24 09:49
schestowitzgetting pwned while paying for it!Jul 24 09:49
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psydroid:)Jul 24 09:50
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MinceRlol @ GdəJul 24 20:13
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XRevan86MinceR: ?Jul 24 20:15
MinceR24 011705  * XRevan86 waits for priests to pick up an idea that maybe G-dЪ does that to train the doctors.Jul 24 20:17
MinceR24 013005 <+XRevan86> Like "Бг҃ъ"Jul 24 20:17
XRevan86MinceR: ahJul 24 20:17
XRevan86MinceR: (:Jul 24 20:18
MinceRhttps://i.imgur.com/Mrvj8nL.pngJul 24 20:30
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XRevan86> The #newTwitter interface is really, really awfulJul 24 20:42
XRevan86Time to visit Twitter, see how they're doing (:Jul 24 20:43
MinceR:>Jul 24 20:43
*XRevan86 doesn't see any difference.Jul 24 20:43
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XRevan86Is it in beta or something?Jul 24 20:44
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decnetHi all ..Jul 24 21:05
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decnetBy all ..Jul 24 21:08
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MinceRhttps://img.pr0gramm.com/2019/05/28/4379a1710cbecaf1.jpgJul 24 21:20
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MinceRhttps://img.pr0gramm.com/2019/06/24/0706572bec2581a2.pngJul 24 22:48
MinceRhttps://i.imgur.com/o6nJ2jz.jpgJul 24 23:11
MinceRhttps://i.imgur.com/RAG8k7S.mp4   ( https://imgur.com/gallery/aJPDmlR )Jul 24 23:31
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scientesXRevan86, heh, at least Russia got "NULL" in computer jargon ;)Jul 24 23:43
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XRevan86scientes: What do you mean? %)Jul 24 23:46
scientesin English that is entirely a jargon wordJul 24 23:48
XRevan86scientes: No, really, what do you mean?Jul 24 23:48
scientes0 is null in russianJul 24 23:48
XRevan86ah, нуль?Jul 24 23:48
scientesyeahJul 24 23:48
scientesnil is used in some English, but not in the USJul 24 23:48
XRevan86It's just Latin and stuff.Jul 24 23:48
scientesyeahJul 24 23:49
XRevan86I wanted to complement English for not ripping Latin off here, but turns out, "zero" is LatinJul 24 23:49
scienteszilchJul 24 23:49
scientesnadaJul 24 23:49
scientesnothingJul 24 23:50
XRevan86немаJul 24 23:50
scienteswell English does have lots of its own wordsJul 24 23:50
scienteslike Russian (like I would know...)Jul 24 23:50
MinceR"I have come here to chew bubblegum and kick ass, and I'm all out of bubblegum."Jul 24 23:51
scienteslike I was in a hospital here in Peru and it was all LatinJul 24 23:51
scientesunlike in the USJul 24 23:51
XRevan86scientes: Even basic words like "reply" are borrowed %)Jul 24 23:52
scientesin what language?Jul 24 23:54
XRevan86scientes: EnglishJul 24 23:54
XRevan86> like I was in a hospital here in Peru and it was all LatinJul 24 23:54
scienteswell yesJul 24 23:54
XRevan86scientes: Is it because they're speaking a Romance language? %)Jul 24 23:54
scientesthere was also a doctor (an obstetrician) whose last name was "Ampuero"Jul 24 23:55
scientesI thought that was pretty funnyJul 24 23:55
scientesbut you could say "I'll get back to you"Jul 24 23:56
scienteswhich is more commonJul 24 23:56
scientesthat's all AngloJul 24 23:56
scientesthere was a fruit fly that grew an eye on its  wings, legs and antenna http://lepdata.org/monteiro/Evo-devo%20pdfs/Halder_et_al_1995.pdfJul 25 00:00
MinceRhttps://ircz.de/p/19052948Jul 25 00:02
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*DaemonFC[m] uploaded an image: 20190724_151703.jpg (5562KB) < https://matrix.org/_matrix/media/v1/download/matrix.org/BZHbodwQcZoxgcyTUfLepCNG >Jul 25 00:49
XRevan86What's the difference?Jul 25 00:50
DaemonFC[m]The judge signed it and the clerk certified and filed it with the state.Jul 25 00:51
DaemonFC[m]So it's official now.Jul 25 00:51
XRevan86DaemonFC[m]: Congratulations again :)Jul 25 01:14
DaemonFC[m]Thank you!Jul 25 01:41
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MinceRhttps://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2019/jul/24/trump-presidential-seal-doctored-russia-golf-turning-pointJul 25 16:38
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.theguardian.com | Trump speaks before presidential seal doctored with symbols of Russia and golf | US news | The GuardianJul 25 16:38
MinceRcloseup: https://i.imgur.com/GosXIRr.jpgJul 25 16:48
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MinceR(no audio) https://vid.pr0gramm.com/2019/06/02/84f7f0c5429d68a1.mp4Jul 25 18:08
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XRevan86MinceR: It has audio. https://youtu.be/MSRCoAgpQ3gJul 25 18:11
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-YOU LIE! - Arnold Schwarzenegger - YouTubeJul 25 18:11
MinceRit has audio i can't hearJul 25 18:14
MinceRunless it was a few clicksJul 25 18:14
scientesthe governatorJul 25 18:14
XRevan86MinceR: The cat makes a sound.Jul 25 18:15
MinceRi couldn't hear it :(Jul 25 18:15
XRevan86It's quiet but it's there.Jul 25 18:15
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schestowitzkaniini: there are scrolling limits on notificationsJul 25 19:36
schestowitzabout 12 hours, but varies something. Is this the expected behaviour?Jul 25 19:36
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MinceRhttps://ircz.de/p/19052929Jul 25 21:14
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-ircz.de | IRCZ makes your life worth living Post objectJul 25 21:14
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MinceRhttps://ircz.de/p/1905299Jul 25 21:25
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-ircz.de | IRCZ makes your life worth living Post objectJul 25 21:25
XRevan86red hippy culture is^UJul 25 21:32
MinceRB^U ?Jul 25 21:33
XRevan86you know, whites and reds (:Jul 25 21:33
MinceR:)Jul 25 21:34
XRevan86It's like an old joke.Jul 25 21:42
XRevan86Zadornov: Americans are stupid.Jul 25 21:42
XRevan86Americans: Usonians are stupid.Jul 25 21:42
XRevan86Usonians: Whites are stupid.Jul 25 21:42
XRevan86Whites: Boomers are stupid.Jul 25 21:42
XRevan86Boomers: Get of my lawn!Jul 25 21:42
XRevan86offJul 25 21:42
MinceR:)Jul 25 21:42
MinceRhttps://ircz.de/p/1905290Jul 25 21:48
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MinceRhttps://vid.pr0gramm.com/2019/06/24/779243217dcd9b42.mp4Jul 25 22:17
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scientesugggh, the tech industry is full of nasty young men, but the cell phone geeks are the worstJul 25 23:35
scientesthey are anti-social arrogant fuckupsJul 25 23:36
XRevan86Is it a good time to mention I have LineageOS on my "smart"phone?Jul 25 23:36
scienteslineageos is OKJul 25 23:36
scientesbut it isn't a solutionJul 25 23:37
scientesand it doesn't run without tons of non-free softwareJul 25 23:38
XRevan86I get my devices second-hand, hard to get a SailfishOS device this way.Jul 25 23:38
scientesmakes me feel bad that i hack on llvm instead of gcc, but llvm has features that gcc doesn'tJul 25 23:38
scientesI do tooJul 25 23:38
scienteswell, i just bought a new phoneJul 25 23:38
scientesbecause i really wanted better battery lifeJul 25 23:38
scientesbut otherwise i certainly like em cheapJul 25 23:39
scientesbut in general its like the 90s for phoneJul 25 23:39
scientesits horribleJul 25 23:39
scienteslike I lost a phoneJul 25 23:39
scientesand now I can't FRP unlock itJul 25 23:39
scientesGoogle won't allow you to do thatJul 25 23:39
scientesfucking robbersJul 25 23:39
scientesthievesJul 25 23:39
scientes"Let's keep our devices useful and safe until they physically break! "Jul 25 23:40
scienteshttps://postmarketos.org/Jul 25 23:40
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-postmarketos.org | postmarketOS // real Linux distribution for phonesJul 25 23:40
*scientes waiting for the pinephoneJul 25 23:40
XRevan86scientes: My device also have "FRP security" undermined by an unlocked bootloader %)Jul 25 23:40
scientesand google refused to sell chromebooks in south americaJul 25 23:41
scientescause they don't want poor people to have laptops, and would rather enslave them with androidJul 25 23:41
scientesin which every device is abandoned a month after it is releasedJul 25 23:43
scientestons of utter crapJul 25 23:43
scientesyeah postmarketos has the right modelJul 25 23:44
scientessame as sailfishosJul 25 23:44
scientesandroid compat is a applicationJul 25 23:44
scientesand not defaultJul 25 23:44
scientesperhaps this new generation will build a non-google phoneJul 25 23:47
scientesbecause for me the devices just arn't that useful for serious workJul 25 23:47
scientesthere is really only one killer app: OSMAndJul 25 23:47
MinceRyeah, mobile phones still suckJul 25 23:47
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scientesOSMAnd lets you do pretty leet off-trail stuffJul 25 23:48
MinceRindeedJul 25 23:48
MinceRtoo bad their search rarely worksJul 25 23:48
scientesbut you don't need that for off-trail stuffJul 25 23:48
scientesalthough you do need topo, which they put behind a pay-wallJul 25 23:48
scientesand while i wouldn't mind giving them the money, I do mind giving Google the moneyJul 25 23:49
scientesoh cool OSMAnd is adding a APIJul 25 23:52
scientesthrough binderJul 25 23:53
scientesoh yeah i forgot, you can get the full version of OSMAnd from fdroid.orgJul 25 23:54
MinceRyeah, i have itJul 25 23:58
MinceRhttps://techcrunch.com/2019/07/23/william-barr-consumers-security-risks-backdoors/Jul 26 00:04
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-US attorney general William Barr says Americans should accept security risks of encryption backdoors – TechCrunchJul 26 00:04
scientesi might want to get one of these butt cheap new android phonesJul 26 00:04
scientesits annoying that lineageos only support expensive phones (or phones that were once expensive)Jul 26 00:05
MinceRi never bought cheap phones and hear so many complaints about themJul 26 00:06
DaemonFC[m]Probably they do like cheap Android tablets do and just dump the Android binary ROM from another vendor.Jul 26 00:08
DaemonFC[m]It violates the GPL, but who cares, because the GPL is toothless when Linux developers won't defend the kernel with it.Jul 26 00:08
DaemonFC[m]So there's little concern about whether doing so will hurt their company.Jul 26 00:08
scientesoh wow, google play prices are minus taxes tooJul 26 00:09
scienteswhich in most countries is illegalJul 26 00:09
scientesso google is above the lawJul 26 00:09
DaemonFC[m]Yeah, I mostly avoid taxes by telling my carrier I live in Indiana.Jul 26 00:09
scientesno this is differn'tJul 26 00:10
DaemonFC[m]There are cell phone taxes in Indiana, but it works out to be about $200 a year less than saying you live in Chicago, or $150 if you live in Illinois outside Chicago.Jul 26 00:10
scientesin most countries (not the US) it is illegal to advertise a price that doesn't include taxesJul 26 00:10
scientesDaemonFC[m], in south america cell phone service is $10/moJul 26 00:10
scientesand they even have cheaper services that only have facebookJul 26 00:10
scientesoh wait, how do you get something so cheap?Jul 26 00:11
DaemonFC[m]In Illinois, the goddamned Democrat Party can't spend what the state actually takes in no matter how many times they raise taxes.Jul 26 00:11
scientesbut its pretty corrupt in south americaJul 26 00:11
MinceRwhere isn't it pretty corrupt?Jul 26 00:11
DaemonFC[m]Illinois is corrupt by American standards.Jul 26 00:12
scientesIts nasty that google is above the law hereJul 26 00:12
DaemonFC[m]Widely considered the most corrupt state in America.Jul 26 00:12
scientesDaemonFC[m], no it isn'tJul 26 00:12
DaemonFC[m]Public corruption in Illinois is very bad.Jul 26 00:12
DaemonFC[m]At one point, two former governors were in prison AT THE SAME TIME.Jul 26 00:13
scientesanywaywJul 26 00:13
scienteswe have had these type on convos years agoJul 26 00:13
scientesthey never go anywhereJul 26 00:13
DaemonFC[m]Since 1978, 50 Chicago Aldermen have been convicted of public corruption charges.Jul 26 00:13
scientes"corruption charges" just usually mean the loosing sideJul 26 00:13
DaemonFC[m]It would be more except that some federal court cases over the years have made public corruption harder to prove in court.Jul 26 00:13
DaemonFC[m]The feds finally came after Ed Burke.Jul 26 00:14
DaemonFC[m]He's been in office almost as long as Chicago has been a city..... :P (That was a joke.)Jul 26 00:14
DaemonFC[m]The guy has to be at least 300 years old.Jul 26 00:14
MinceR26 011305 <+DaemonFC[m]> At one point, two former governors were in prison AT THE SAME TIME.Jul 26 00:15
DaemonFC[m]The Gimmedats just raised the gas tax again to pass a "infrastructure bill".Jul 26 00:15
MinceRat least they got caughtJul 26 00:15
DaemonFC[m]A quick run down shows that at least a billion and a half dollars are being wasted on projects that are not going to benefit the public.Jul 26 00:16
MinceRin hungary, the majority appears to support the dictator enriching a front man using public and EU resourcesJul 26 00:16
DaemonFC[m]at least they got caughtJul 26 00:16
DaemonFC[m]One of them for soliciting bribes to appoint someone to Barack Obama's vacated US Senate seat. :PJul 26 00:16
DaemonFC[m]The US Senate is much more prestigious than the House.Jul 26 00:17
DaemonFC[m]It has the power to confirm presidential appointments, including judges, and there's way fewer Senators.Jul 26 00:17
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DaemonFC[m]The system doesn't exactly function as intended. Through constitutional amendment, people directly elect Senators.Jul 26 00:18
DaemonFC[m]It was originally designed so that states appointed Senators however they saw fit.Jul 26 00:18
DaemonFC[m]Theoretically, a state _could_ put it up for popular vote, but they all reserved the power to have the state legislature vote on it.Jul 26 00:18
DaemonFC[m]It was thought that this system not only gave equal representation to all states, regardless of size or population, but that it put a check on direct democracy. The House was supposed to be the direct representation for the public, and the Senate was indirectly elected. You could only influence the Senate composition by paying attention to your state house elections.Jul 26 00:20
DaemonFC[m]Nobody pays much attention to the state houses anymore, so they're as bad as you'd expect.Jul 26 00:20
DaemonFC[m]Every 10 years, the census happens. The party that runs the majority of a state's government redraws the district maps, to benefit itself, and then you spend the next ten years with that party in power. Theoretically, the gerrymander loses effectiveness as time goes on after the Census, but the American public is moving around less than at any time since WW II. Jul 26 00:22
DaemonFC[m]It's only recently that any significant backlash to gerrymandering has been going on.Jul 26 00:22
DaemonFC[m]Voters or state Supreme Courts have put an end to it in several states recently, but the US Supreme Court is mostly silent on it.Jul 26 00:23
DaemonFC[m]In principle, you only have to make sure you have districts of approximately equal population, and you can't do it to contain voters by race.Jul 26 00:23
MinceRrepresentative democracy is not direct democracyJul 26 00:24
DaemonFC[m]In other words, if you are just drawing a district around a bunch of black people to sacrifice one district to keep from giving them significant voting power in 3-4 other districts, it isn't allowed.Jul 26 00:25
DaemonFC[m]Within those constraints, you can do pretty much anything else.Jul 26 00:25
DaemonFC[m]After the Republicans won the Indiana state government, they used the 2010 Census to create a "fair" map.Jul 26 00:26
DaemonFC[m]They pointed out how "compact" the new districts were.Jul 26 00:26
DaemonFC[m]Just by pure chance, those districts have been giving them results like.... 67/100 seats in the state's House of Representatives with 51% of the vote ever since.Jul 26 00:26
DaemonFC[m]67% of the seats with 51% of the vote is pretty amazing results for a gerrymander.Jul 26 00:27
DaemonFC[m]It gives you a supermajority with the ability to rewrite the state's constitution when barely over half the voters are Republicans.Jul 26 00:27
MinceRthat's nothing compared to what fideath didJul 26 00:28
MinceRthey got over 2/3 of the seats in parliament by getting 48.5% of the votes (according to the official count)Jul 26 00:29
DaemonFC[m]Well, it's not as impressive as Nazi Germany.Jul 26 00:29
MinceRthis doesn't account for how they used ukrainians and serbs to add unearned votesJul 26 00:29
MinceRor how they own all the tv stations and "news"papersJul 26 00:30
DaemonFC[m]Almost everyone wanted Hitler, at gunpoint, while being forced to vote in front of everyone. Except in the Jewish areas, you know. Which only proved that they knew they were a problem. Jul 26 00:30
DaemonFC[m]:)Jul 26 00:30
MinceR:>Jul 26 00:30
MinceRfunny, people tell me this was a good way to run a referendum in crimeaJul 26 00:30
MinceRbut what do i knowJul 26 00:30
MinceRhttps://img.pr0gramm.com/2019/06/23/24eac8d1b1935013.pngJul 26 01:04
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MrGreenThank you Schestowitz for the opportunity to speak on your channel..Jul 26 06:24
MrGreenHello TechRights.org Community.. My name is Eric Lundgren aka www.FreeMrGreen.comJul 26 06:25
MrGreenI was put in Prison for distribution of freeware restore CD's.. I just got out and would like to speak to some IP Experts.. Jul 26 06:25
MrGreenYou can see my case at www.FreeMrGreen.com or search Eric Lundgren on Google.. Jul 26 06:27
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schestowitzahaJul 26 06:27
schestowitzsame person?Jul 26 06:27
MrGreenI would really like to speak to someone that understands IP LAW. If anyone in this forum does - I would ike to chat with them about my case..Jul 26 06:28
schestowitzLundgren was mentioned here many timesJul 26 06:28
schestowitzthis is a copyright caseJul 26 06:28
MrGreenThank you Schestowitz.. That is me. I founded the largest eWaste Recycler in the USA, Built the worlds longest range EV and then was thrown in Prison because of Microsoft..Jul 26 06:29
schestowitzhttps://www.google.com/search?client=pub-2479740519054892&hl=en&biw=1120&bih=562&ie=ISO-8859-1&oe=ISO-8859-1&q=Lundgren+site%3Atechrights.org&oq=Lundgren+site%3Atechrights.org&aqs=heirloom-srp..Jul 26 06:29
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Lundgren site:techrights.org - Google SearchJul 26 06:29
MrGreenThank You All For Your Support! : ) Jul 26 06:29
schestowitzit's amazing you get jailed for doing something moralJul 26 06:29
schestowitzMS hired lots of PR liars to try to cover up what it didJul 26 06:30
schestowitzwhat it had doneJul 26 06:30
schestowitznot sure it worked for themJul 26 06:30
schestowitzyesterday we published an articles about computer recyclingJul 26 06:30
schestowitzhttp://techrights.org/2019/07/24/refurb/Jul 26 06:30
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Understanding Users and the Three Kinds of Computers: New, Slow and Broken | TechrightsJul 26 06:30
schestowitzcubexyz: ^^Jul 26 06:32
schestowitz(I think he knows your case well)Jul 26 06:32
MrGreenYes, MS did hire a bunch of PR.. They actually went back and threatened to Sue everyone that wrote about me.. Like WAPOJul 26 06:33
MrGreenWashington Post, HLN, FORBES, The Verge, LA TIMES, Etc. Jul 26 06:34
schestowitztypical Microsoft...Jul 26 06:34
schestowitzhttp://techrights.org/wiki/index.php/Microsoft_PR_AgenciesJul 26 06:34
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Microsoft PR Agencies - TechrightsJul 26 06:34
MrGreenTo be honest, I was just trying to get people free repair tools. Nothing was sold. Jul 26 06:35
schestowitzgood people suffer in this worldJul 26 06:37
MrGreenIt was crazy.. Microsoft flew a single witness from Ireland to my trial, the guy walks in - hands the judge a document that my lawyer and I could not see. When the judge was done reading it - he asked Microsoft what the value of a "Restore CD" is.. And Microsoft lied under oath.. They stated a "Restore CD" is worth $25.00/EA. Jul 26 06:37
schestowitzalso published yesterday http://techrights.org/2019/07/25/microsoft-bribery-2019/Jul 26 06:37
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Microsoft Caught Committing Yet More Bribery Crimes, But Nobody Gets Arrested | TechrightsJul 26 06:38
MrGreenThe judge didn't understand the difference between a "Restore CD" and a "License".. Jul 26 06:38
MrGreenAnd Microsoft convinced the judge that the "Restore CD" was of equal value and functionality to a new MSFT OS w. new license! Jul 26 06:38
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MrGreenI was honestly dumbfounded.. I kept waiting for someone to get it in court .. Jul 26 06:39
schestowitzmaybe Microsoft played a role in selected this judgeJul 26 06:40
MrGreenInstead - The judge threw out all of my expert witness' testimony and only kept Microsofts testimony.. Jul 26 06:40
schestowitzhttp://techrights.org/2019/07/18/josefsson-et-al-on-g219/Jul 26 06:40
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | EPO Looney Tunes – Part 4: G 2/19 – Faites Vos Jeux… | TechrightsJul 26 06:40
schestowitzif you can selected the judge, you choose outcomesJul 26 06:41
MrGreenVery possible.. My expert witness = Glenn Weadock   - This guy wrote the book "Windows For Dummies" and trained MSFT employees for 16 years!Jul 26 06:41
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MrGreenHis testimony was thrown out - along with all my other expert witness' Jul 26 06:42
MrGreenFunny you should say that.. The Federal Judge in my case retired right after the case was over.. Jul 26 06:42
schestowitzahJul 26 06:44
schestowitzmakes you wonder...Jul 26 06:44
MrGreenThen.. A few months later - MY LAWYER became the new federal judge in the same district.. #Bruce ReinhartJul 26 06:44
schestowitzhttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Baltasar_Garz%C3%B3nJul 26 06:44
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-en.wikipedia.org | Baltasar Garzón - WikipediaJul 26 06:44
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MrGreenThey threatened me with 47 Years in Prison.. So my only choice was to plea-bargain.. I told them I would ONLY plead guilty to "Restore CD Without License" but then Microsoft convinced the judge to value a Restore CD at the SAME VALUE as a Full Microsoft OS w. License!  Jul 26 06:46
schestowitzplea 'bargain'Jul 26 06:47
schestowitzthe old trickJul 26 06:47
schestowitzbut... but... there's a 'new' MicrosoftJul 26 06:47
schestowitzand gentle oneJul 26 06:47
MrGreenWe are doing a documentary about this.. I don't want to say where but it will be seen everywhere.. I am putting out a #REQUEST to your forum for #HELP! Jul 26 06:47
schestowitzand it's a charity nowJul 26 06:47
schestowitzGates Foundation :-)Jul 26 06:48
MrGreenI need to talk to an "IP EXPERT" Jul 26 06:48
MrGreenI would like to be referred to some great "IP LAWYERS"Jul 26 06:48
schestowitzWe're no friends with thenJul 26 06:49
MrGreenMicrosoft has written in #Print things that are 100% NOT TRUE about me.. How do I address this?? Jul 26 06:49
schestowitzno easy wayJul 26 06:50
MrGreenTheir "Slander/Libel Campaign" against me just makes me sick.. Jul 26 06:50
schestowitzcorporate worldJul 26 06:50
schestowitzthey can get away with itJul 26 06:50
schestowitzfunny you should mention itJul 26 06:51
schestowitz2 days ago I spoke to a guy who spent 3 years in courtJul 26 06:51
schestowitzit's about whether I can sue for censorshipJul 26 06:51
schestowitzbut the EPO has diplomatic immunityJul 26 06:51
schestowitzso cannot be suedJul 26 06:51
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MrGreenAt one point - they accuse me of making computers susceptible to virus & hacking.. They also said I was trying to Decieve people.. None of this was true, it was their original free restore CD software and it was NOT changed in any way.. Same software anyone can Download online for FREE at the time.. I was just trying to help people that didn't know how to download and I wasn't trying to deceive anyone. I actually lost money on this.. and went to Jul 26 06:53
MrGreenPRISON! Jul 26 06:53
schestowitzIn the FOSS community, two thingsJul 26 06:54
MrGreenWhat is EPO?Jul 26 06:54
schestowitz1) you're seen as a heroJul 26 06:54
schestowitz2) the guy who took on MicrosoftJul 26 06:54
schestowitzand I forgot the third thing now, I'm multitaskingJul 26 06:54
schestowitzmaybe a proof of what Microsoft >really< isJul 26 06:55
schestowitzand Microsoft was eager to mpthball reporting on itJul 26 06:55
MrGreen: ) Jul 26 06:55
schestowitzoh, I think it was proof that one should use GNU/Linux to revive old machinesJul 26 06:55
MrGreenWell.. I hope some good can come from this. I def. didn't go quietly. : ) Jul 26 06:55
schestowitzEPO http://techrights.org/wiki/index.php/EPOJul 26 06:55
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | EPO - TechrightsJul 26 06:55
schestowitzalso see http://techrights.org/wiki/index.php/Gates_Foundation_CritiqueJul 26 06:56
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Gates Foundation Critique - TechrightsJul 26 06:56
schestowitzrecently it turned out the the people who likely demonised you had raped kidsJul 26 06:56
schestowitzhttp://techrights.org/2019/06/07/microsoft-peter-is-a-pedophile/Jul 26 06:56
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Microsoft Peter is a Pedophile, Arrested Without Bail | TechrightsJul 26 06:56
MrGreenhttps://reason.com/video/lundgren-ifixit-wiens-right-repair/Jul 26 06:56
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Do You Have a Right To Repair Your Phone? The Fight Between Big Tech and Consumers – Reason.comJul 26 06:56
MrGreenhttps://reason.com/video/lundgren-ifixit-wiens-right-repair/Jul 26 06:56
schestowitzthey're a really, really nasty companyJul 26 06:56
MrGreenYea.. I am a big fan of #RightToRepair & #iFixITJul 26 06:57
MrGreenThey help me keep electronics working, in use, and out of our landfills! : ) Jul 26 06:57
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MrGreenAnyways.. If anyone in your "Channel" is able to give me advice - I am more than happy to listen!  They can reach me at ECAnetwork [at] GMail .comJul 26 07:02
schestowitzsome are sleepJul 26 07:02
schestowitzasleepJul 26 07:02
MrGreenThank you Schestowitz for all that you do.. It's guys like you that make the difference! Jul 26 07:03
schestowitzyou tooJul 26 07:03
MrGreenYou get it Schestowitz.. You understand.. Thank you for your support. Jul 26 07:03
MrGreenI am happy to support you and your channel anytime. Jul 26 07:03
schestowitzwe can get you pointers on MicrosoftJul 26 07:03
schestowitzto bolster your caseJul 26 07:04
schestowitzour site is used for some lawsuits against MicrosoftJul 26 07:04
MrGreenYes. Well when people wake up - if they want to help, I would like to speak with them.. Jul 26 07:04
MrGreenThis isn't over.. It's just begun. Jul 26 07:04
schestowitzthey will defame youJul 26 07:06
schestowitzI saw this at EPOJul 26 07:06
schestowitzthey call a judge they broke the law against nazi and armedJul 26 07:06
schestowitzhe was neitherJul 26 07:06
schestowitzand he won the case twiceJul 26 07:06
schestowitzbut the damage was doneJul 26 07:06
schestowitzgoneJul 26 07:06
schestowitzhe admitted himself to a mental place to avoid suicideJul 26 07:06
MrGreenElectronic Waste represents 70% of the Toxic material in our landfills leaching into our water & food.. Being burnt overseas.. We need to stop throwing this stuff away! www.FreeMrGreen.com is now out of Prison.. It's time to fix the eWaste epidemic once and for all! : ) Jul 26 07:07
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MrGreenHonestly.. If they want to stop me from Recycling - The'll have to kill me! Jul 26 07:09
MrGreen; ) Jul 26 07:09
MrGreenIt's not that they are anti-recycling.. It's all about the $$$ with them.Jul 26 07:10
MrGreenConsumers must waste for their profit to increase... Society must USE and TOSS.Jul 26 07:10
MrGreen#Planned ObsolescenceJul 26 07:10
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schestowitzit's a company of lawyersJul 26 07:12
schestowitzI lost my train of thought hereJul 26 07:12
schestowitztoo much multitaskingJul 26 07:12
schestowitzbut there were some links I wanted to paste inJul 26 07:12
schestowitzI'm catching up with Linux news atmJul 26 07:12
MrGreenSorry - your probably really busy. We can talk later if you want. Jul 26 07:12
schestowitzglad you cameJul 26 07:12
MrGreenthnxJul 26 07:12
schestowitzwe can help your caseJul 26 07:13
schestowitzwe have 26000 articlesJul 26 07:13
schestowitzI more or less know what to use against themJul 26 07:13
MrGreenthat would be appreciated.. Jul 26 07:13
MrGreen26,000 lolJul 26 07:13
schestowitz“Microsoft is, I think, fundamentally an evil company.”Jul 26 07:13
schestowitzFormer Netscape Chairman James H. ClarkJul 26 07:14
MrGreenI just want them to leave recyclers & repair shops alone.. and customers! Jul 26 07:14
schestowitz2000/year, 13 yearsJul 26 07:14
schestowitzthey bully everyone, stillJul 26 07:14
schestowitz2019: http://techrights.org/2019/03/12/microsoft-foxconn/Jul 26 07:14
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Microsoft is Complaining About Android and Chrome OS (GNU/Linux) Vendor Not Paying for Microsoft Patents (Updated) | TechrightsJul 26 07:14
MrGreenWell.. They made my life hell. lol Jul 26 07:14
schestowitzfoxconn has deeper pockets than yoursJul 26 07:14
MrGreenDo you know anyone in the EFF that could help?Jul 26 07:14
schestowitzCory doctorowJul 26 07:15
schestowitzhe knows the caseJul 26 07:15
schestowitzdrop him mail or find him in social control mediaJul 26 07:15
schestowitzusually handle @doctorowJul 26 07:15
MrGreenI think I spoke to him before they threw me in #Prison on the forced-gov. vacation.. Jul 26 07:16
MrGreenhttps://www.forbes.com/sites/vianneyvaute/2019/04/23/with-love-from-an-oregon-prison-how-eric-lundgren-is-going-to-help-you-recycle-all-your-electronicsJul 26 07:17
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.forbes.com | With Love From An Oregon Prison: How Eric Lundgren Is Going To Help You Recycle All Your ElectronicsJul 26 07:17
schestowitzI think he wrote about it https://boingboing.net/2018/04/26/clippy-is-an-asshole.htmlJul 26 07:17
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-boingboing.net | Microsoft sends recycler to jail for reinstalling obsolete, licensed copies of Windows on refurbished PCs / Boing BoingJul 26 07:17
schestowitzhe works for EFFJul 26 07:17
schestowitz"clippy-is-an-asshole.html" LOLJul 26 07:17
schestowitz"Eric Lundgren is an environmental hero, whose California business diverts literal tons of e-waste from landfills, refurbishes it, and puts it in the hands of people who can make good use of it."Jul 26 07:17
schestowitzcontact himJul 26 07:17
MrGreenOk, I'll reach out to Cory Doctorow..Jul 26 07:18
MrGreenWhat about Eben Moglen?? What do you think?Jul 26 07:18
schestowitznaaJul 26 07:19
schestowitzhe distanced himself from everythingJul 26 07:19
schestowitznot sure what he even doesJul 26 07:19
schestowitzyou fight for something bigger here, even if your life became "hell"Jul 26 07:19
schestowitzBad publicity scares MSFT the mostJul 26 07:19
schestowitztell you what, let's do a series about this in techrightsJul 26 07:20
schestowitzsend me docs, I'll revive the debateJul 26 07:20
MrGreenOk.. Where to send? Jul 26 07:20
schestowitzwe recently showed several stories on how they try to cause people to lose their job, mine includedJul 26 07:20
schestowitzroy@schestowitz.comJul 26 07:20
schestowitzit's summer, so I have time to cover this in installment, it'll spread to Linux news sitesJul 26 07:21
MrGreenSchestowitz, It's people like you that make me believe in humanity again..  I wouldn't wish #Prison on my worst enemy.. It's just endless pointless suffering. Jul 26 07:22
schestowitzmulti-part is more effective, so think how to groupJul 26 07:23
schestowitzlike chapterisationJul 26 07:23
MrGreenIf what I went through is able to spark the debate & promote change then it was worth it.. Jul 26 07:23
schestowitzso it has a chronological thing to itJul 26 07:24
schestowitzmicrosoft execs belong in prison, for lots of thingfJul 26 07:25
schestowitzinc. gates, who bribed the media ($100ml a year) to paint him as humanity's heroJul 26 07:25
MrGreenOK.. I will followup via GPG eMail & we can provide over the weekend. Jul 26 07:25
schestowitzcheersJul 26 07:26
schestowitzI can start this weekendJul 26 07:26
MrGreenLooking forward to it.. Lets make a difference Schestowitz. Lets help people control their own tech! Jul 26 07:27
schestowitzwe have some recyclers herweJul 26 07:27
schestowitzcubexyz uses PCs from the 90sJul 26 07:27
schestowitzmy laptop is 10+ years oldJul 26 07:28
MrGreenYes, I love recyclers! : ) I'll give them as many 90's computers as they want! haha Jul 26 07:28
schestowitzyesterday's techights article about refurb is from someone in Boston who helps us with the siteJul 26 07:28
schestowitzIn a drawer I still have my Compaq from the 90sJul 26 07:29
schestowitzyears ago I broke its PSU though :-) a shame cause it ran Linux OKJul 26 07:29
MrGreenIn all seriousness - we are recycling 43 Million LBS of eWaste every year. Next - we will open recycling centers for EV Batteries worldwide. I truly live for recycling! : ) Jul 26 07:30
schestowitzMy 'phone' is a Palm PDA from the turn of the milleniumJul 26 07:30
schestowitzit's making something out of nothingJul 26 07:30
schestowitz'trash'Jul 26 07:30
MrGreenThat is awesome brother! : ) I totally respect that! Jul 26 07:30
schestowitzwhich is as good as if not better than manufacturingJul 26 07:30
schestowitzhaha... a society that arrests recyclersJul 26 07:31
MrGreenWe are all about re-using the parts and components in new applications to serve multiple life-cycles. #Hybrid-RecyclingJul 26 07:31
schestowitzhttps://www.goodreads.com/quotes/66036-the-degree-of-civilization-in-a-society-can-be-judgedJul 26 07:31
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.goodreads.com | Quote by Fyodor Dostoevsky: “The degree of civilization in a society can be ...”Jul 26 07:31
schestowitz“The degree of civilization in a society can be judged by entering its prisons.”Jul 26 07:31
MrGreen#Brilliant Man - I couldn't agree more.. When I am done #Recycling Computers - I want to start a company to help #Recycle-Lives. These people in Prison need direction & opportunity as to lower the recidivism rate.. It's crazy that the recidivism rate is 68% within the first (3) years! Honestly - PRISONS ARE THE SOCIAL EQUIVALENT OF OUR LANDFILLS.Jul 26 07:34
schestowitzof  put this way:Jul 26 07:35
schestowitzmicrosoft is morality's landfillJul 26 07:35
MrGreenlol.. Jul 26 07:35
MrGreenAs a Recycler - I believe there is value in everything.. I believe even Microsoft can be recycled into something good. : ) Jul 26 07:37
schestowitzyou assume goodwillJul 26 07:37
schestowitzMicrosoft belongs out of businessJul 26 07:37
schestowitzI keep having to explain to people they're very uniqueJul 26 07:37
schestowitzhttp://techrights.org/2019/07/10/corporate-equivalent-of-doxing/Jul 26 07:38
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | More People Are Coming Out: Microsoft Tried to Get Them Fired for Standing in Microsoft’s Way (the ‘One Microsoft Way’) | TechrightsJul 26 07:38
schestowitznot many companies would do thisJul 26 07:38
schestowitzhttp://techrights.org/2017/02/20/article-about-microsoft-cult-tactics/Jul 26 07:39
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | The ‘New’ Microsoft is Still Acting Like a Dangerous Cult in an Effort to Hijack and/or Undermine All Free/Open Source Software | TechrightsJul 26 07:39
MrGreenThe company is made up of people.. People that answer to bosses whom answer to the CEO whom answers to Shareholders whom care about Stock Prices, Influence & Mitigating Risk.. Those Share-Holders are willing to turn a blind-eye to those in charge whom are able to make decisions that are good for MSFT although potentially bad for humanity.. Jul 26 07:40
schestowitzGates controls the companyJul 26 07:40
schestowitzhe's a super-sociopathJul 26 07:40
schestowitzPaul Allen, who recently died, was a patent trollJul 26 07:40
MrGreenWould you like to be part of the documentary Schestowitz?Jul 26 07:40
schestowitzthe company is all rotJul 26 07:40
schestowitza fish rots from the head downJul 26 07:41
schestowitzMrGreen: if you can film in the UKJul 26 07:41
MrGreenYour quotes are so awesome.. : ) Jul 26 07:41
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MrGreenWould you and Cory want to be on a Netflix Documentary about this?Jul 26 07:42
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schestowitzyou should ask himJul 26 07:43
schestowitzlike I said, I would not fly, I limit myself to flying once in 2 yearsJul 26 07:43
schestowitzwas in berlin this past xmasJul 26 07:43
MrGreenWell.. I'm not allowed to leave the country.. lol (3 Years Probation).. Jul 26 07:45
schestowitzhahahahahJul 26 07:45
schestowitzjust-us for youJul 26 07:45
MrGreenOtherwise I would come to UK to have a beer with ya! : ) Jul 26 07:45
schestowitzI guess Epstein can have a ran around the worldJul 26 07:45
schestowitzbut not a person who refurbishes PCsJul 26 07:45
MrGreenlolJul 26 07:46
schestowitzyou are a very dangerous personJul 26 07:46
schestowitznext thing you know they find you in a bedroom... with an old HPJul 26 07:46
schestowitzand you put an OS on it... the horrorJul 26 07:46
MrGreenLOLJul 26 07:47
MrGreenWell.. I did recycle for HP - so that's possible.. lolJul 26 07:47
MrGreenDo you use Signal? What VOIP do you use?Jul 26 07:47
schestowitzI use landline mostly, but I assume no privacy. pgp+email is better fot thisJul 26 07:48
schestowitzand can transmit filesJul 26 07:48
MrGreenYup.. UnderstoodJul 26 07:48
MrGreenOK - Well, I have to crash.. Meetings in the morning. The future is looking so bright - were gonna need sunglasses! : )Jul 26 07:50
schestowitzcan I do an intro to this series? Jul 26 07:50
schestowitzI can launder our chat a bit to make something todayJul 26 07:50
schestowitzmaybe in an hourJul 26 07:50
schestowitzI can type it up fast, prepare readers for future parts with some introJul 26 07:51
MrGreenYes, Thats fine with me. I am free over the weekend to discuss & will email you over the weekend with all facts and info.. Jul 26 07:52
schestowitzok, I'll type something up shortly, check the site in a few hoursJul 26 07:53
MrGreenSend me the draft of what your intro - I'd love to read it when your done! : ) Jul 26 07:53
MrGreenOk - that works too.Jul 26 07:53
schestowitzdrafts slow it downJul 26 07:53
schestowitzI won't say something silly, I'll cherry pick the notesJul 26 07:54
MrGreenThats fine with me. Jul 26 07:54
MrGreenI trust you because you understand what this is about. No need for rough draft. Jul 26 07:54
schestowitzI did this since I was 20Jul 26 07:54
MrGreenYup, I can tell. Jul 26 07:55
MrGreenlolJul 26 07:55
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schestowitzOk, that's daily links downe ^^Jul 26 07:55
schestowitzNow I can do articlesJul 26 07:55
MrGreenI am happy to give you all the info - It would be great to set the record straight.. Jul 26 07:55
schestowitzI check email once a dayJul 26 07:55
schestowitzgtgJul 26 07:56
MrGreenWhat is the best way to communicate with you? Signal? eMail?Jul 26 07:56
schestowitzheatwave, wife wants the beakfast outside (outdoors)Jul 26 07:56
schestowitzemailJul 26 07:57
MrGreenSounds good! This weekend. Thanks.Jul 26 07:57
schestowitzcheersJul 26 07:57
MrGreenHave a great day! : ) Jul 26 07:57
MrGreenCheers!Jul 26 07:57
schubisuschestowitz: maybe you need a securedrop instance ;)Jul 26 08:06
MrGreenquick question, if i log-out of IRC right now-- how can i view the Log later?  is #techrights  Logged somewhere?Jul 26 08:08
schubisuMrGreen: depends on the IRC client you are usingJul 26 08:09
schubisuyou can check the logs before you close it, to be sureJul 26 08:09
schubisuI use weechat, the logs are by default saved to ~/.weechat/logs/<channelname>Jul 26 08:10
MrGreenIf I shutdown my computer,  how can I read the chat that i missed?Jul 26 08:12
schubisuMrGreen: what application do you use to connect to IRC?Jul 26 08:12
MrGreenHexchatJul 26 08:12
schubisuhttps://hexchat.readthedocs.io/en/latest/faq.html#where-are-the-log-files-saved-toJul 26 08:13
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-hexchat.readthedocs.io | Frequently Asked Questions — HexChat 2.12.0 documentationJul 26 08:13
MrGreenThis is not my laptop that I am on - it's a friends as I am away from my home. Jul 26 08:13
schubisuThe logfile is a plain text file. You can copy it to a thumb drive or attach to mailsJul 26 08:14
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MrGreen#TechRights Rocks - Be back this weekend. Thanks for your help Schubisu. Jul 26 08:20
schubisuMrGreen: you're welcome ;)Jul 26 08:21
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schubisuhehe lately I'm receiving interesting news on German IT infrastructure in English, onlyJul 26 11:06
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MinceRhttp://direman.com/direman/comics/00000817.pngJul 26 13:53
MinceR(audio:unimportant) https://vid.pr0gramm.com/2019/06/23/111ac7418feae657.mp4Jul 26 13:58
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schestowitzschubisu: yeah...Jul 26 15:26
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MinceRhttps://twitter.com/AwwwwCats/status/1154104428783386624   https://giant.gfycat.com/PlumpIncredibleFanworms.webmJul 26 21:49
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@AwwwwCats: Slightly chonky https://t.co/2XsjCLElxjJul 26 21:49
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cubexyzI remember the Lungren caseJul 27 01:40
cubexyzvery foolish of him to use M$ software restore discsJul 27 01:41
schestowitzyesJul 27 01:47
schestowitzI think he knows nowJul 27 01:47
schestowitzhe'll be back hereJul 27 01:47
schestowitzthat goes way back, I'm not sure you were here when his friend was in IRCJul 27 01:47
schestowitzwe'll do a series of articles about his case hopefulluJul 27 01:47
schestowitzwhich should be useful to allJul 27 01:47
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oiaohmhttps://devblogs.microsoft.com/commandline/whats-new-for-wsl-in-insiders-preview-build-18945/  Hmm   Hmm WSL2 is very much turning into a Linux VM.Jul 27 07:37
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-devblogs.microsoft.com | What’s new for WSL in Insiders Preview Build 18945 | Windows Command Line Tools For DevelopersJul 27 07:37
oiaohmThey have just added custom linux kernel support.   So I wonder how long before someone attempts something odd.Jul 27 07:37
oiaohmThe localhost link just added this does start the question for those making service applications do you keep on providing windows binaries or do you go Linux only.Jul 27 07:39
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schestowitzoiaohm: can you say more?Jul 27 08:01
schestowitzor rather, elaborate on why it's VM-like?Jul 27 08:01
schestowitzI thought it was more like "container"Jul 27 08:01
schestowitzoiaohm: also related to this: http://techrights.org/2019/07/14/wsl-is-just-vista-10/Jul 27 08:02
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Microsoft’s WSL is Designed to Weaken GNU/Linux (on the Desktop/Laptop) and Strengthen Vista 10 | TechrightsJul 27 08:02
schestowitzWe need to have a good understanding of what their strategy is with thisJul 27 08:02
schestowitzThey obviously don't try to help Linux against WindowsJul 27 08:02
schestowitzhttps://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=Windows-WSL2-Localhost-PlusJul 27 08:02
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schestowitzis this where you got it from?Jul 27 08:02
schestowitztbh I'd rather not give any publicity to wslJul 27 08:03
schestowitzmichael larabel told me he had done so "for entertainment"Jul 27 08:03
oiaohmschestowitz: first when they release wsl2 they were going to be the ones providing the kernel.    No option to use own kernel and basically a stack of containers under 1 kernel.Jul 27 08:39
oiaohmschestowitz: so wsl2 was very container like as in 1 kernel and multi userspaces.    This new change where you can choose kernel to use this is heading closer to a VM than a single kernel container solution.Jul 27 08:40
schestowitzI seeJul 27 08:41
oiaohmI got it in a update notice of microsoft changes that I am subscribed to.Jul 27 08:41
schestowitzwell, unless there's somethiing major there, I think it's better to not give this attentionJul 27 08:41
schestowitznever met anyone who uses #wsl - how many actual users are to/of this thing?Jul 27 08:41
oiaohmCustom linux kernel this lines up for mysql and orcale to push limits.Jul 27 08:41
schestowitzI see MS propaganda sites mentioning it a lotJul 27 08:42
schestowitzso it's a sign they want it mentionedJul 27 08:42
oiaohmWsl1 was mostly a lemon.Jul 27 08:42
oiaohmI had a lot of uses attempt to use to to avoid Linux virtual machines only to have it totally fail on them.Jul 27 08:42
oiaohmuses/usersJul 27 08:42
oiaohmwsl2 looks like it may at least kind of work.Jul 27 08:42
schestowitzjust use virtualboxJul 27 08:43
schestowitzI don't see the point of WSLJul 27 08:43
schestowitzyou get from a "store" something you can get as an ISOJul 27 08:43
schestowitzand then boot using FOSS freely downloadable from OracleJul 27 08:43
schestowitzMicrosoft reinventing the wheel poorly, hallmark of EEEJul 27 08:43
oiaohmYes it the hailmark of EEE to do it badly.  But with WSL1 microsoft got non ending demard for it work.  So they have had to do WSL2 better.  Do note WSL2 has to work on all versions of windows as well.  Not just pro plus.Jul 27 08:47
oiaohmThis is more EEE not exactly going well.   If Microsoft is not careful they will end up triggering reverse EEE.Jul 27 08:48
oiaohmLets say orcale db or the like decide only to release Linux binaries.     This could force wsl2 and what ever follows it to be a mandoray feature for Microsoft to have going forwards.Jul 27 08:49
oiaohmI see this like OS/2 supporting windows binaries where over time the result was almost no one making OS/2 binaries so destroying the value of the platform.Jul 27 08:50
oiaohmEEE as IBM learnt with OS/2 is doubled sided weapon.   The party doing EEE either wins or completely loses.Jul 27 08:51
schestowitzcan't see how they can lose from itJul 27 08:54
schestowitzit puts them in control, in chargeJul 27 08:54
schestowitzthey already infiltrate the development process of Linux at more levelsJul 27 08:55
schestowitzdictating what devs do through wsl Jul 27 08:55
oiaohmThat the thing with wsl1 the dictation of what the developers want to do has not been from the Microsoft side.Jul 27 09:07
oiaohmThe risk with EEE is that as you embraced party starts dictating your development path.Jul 27 09:07
oiaohmthat what happens with OS/2 windows binary support and appears to be happening with WSl2.Jul 27 09:08
oiaohmschestowitz:  We’ve prioritized Linux apps from Windows as that’s the most common networking use case, such as a web developer accessing their website in a browser. Stay tuned for more improvements in this area!<< this line from the site I linked to "https://devblogs.microsoft.com/commandline/whats-new-for-wsl-in-insiders-preview-build-18945/"Jul 27 09:09
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-devblogs.microsoft.com | What’s new for WSL in Insiders Preview Build 18945 | Windows Command Line Tools For DevelopersJul 27 09:09
oiaohmSo a Linux native binary taking out a socket has domination over a windows installed equal is how that reads as possible,Jul 27 09:10
oiaohmschestowitz: so who is being embraced here is not as straight forwards.Jul 27 09:11
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MinceRproblem is, m$ has already taken over at the Linux-Destroying FoundationJul 27 11:24
MinceRthey probably control the SJWs who decide who is allowed to work on LinuxJul 27 11:24
MinceRand via the LDF, they control gkh, who controls LinuxJul 27 11:25
MinceRthis is like the war between the Galactic Republic and the CIS -- doesn't really matter who wins, the same bad guy controls both sidesJul 27 11:25
MinceRour only hope is if the competent kernel developers decide they've had enough of it and fork the whole thing, leaving the LDF behindJul 27 11:26
MinceRand leaving the CoC behindJul 27 11:26
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oiaohmMinceR: CoC is not that simple to leave behind no matter what you think.  Goverment  is start to catch up and regulate the internet.Jul 27 11:40
oiaohmMinceR: Social justice warrior arguement is good way to complete miss why what is in the CoC is basically going no where.   Lot of ways it better to regulate self than have courts of law come in and deciding hey lack of due care let jail a few people.Jul 27 11:42
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MinceRoiaohm: there is not only one government on the planetJul 27 11:45
MinceRone may decide they want an OS that actually worksJul 27 11:45
MinceRalso, software development can be done anonymouslyJul 27 11:45
MinceRand may have to be, as our world spirals more and more into a totalitarian dystopiaJul 27 11:46
oiaohmMinceR: like here in Australia https://www.ag.gov.au/RightsAndProtections/HumanRights/Pages/Australias-Anti-Discrimination-Law.aspx  everything that is done by CoC was in ourlaws by 1992.   Most countries it was in their laws by 2000.Jul 27 11:46
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oiaohmJust we have not see enforcement.Jul 27 11:46
oiaohmOn the internet.Jul 27 11:46
MinceRthey can't enforce against people they can't findJul 27 11:46
oiaohmWe have seen Australian police enforce when people attented conferences here.Jul 27 11:47
MinceRconferences are unnecessaryJul 27 11:47
oiaohmlegal really does get hell if you attempt to develop software annoymously.Jul 27 11:47
oiaohmReally I am sick of people saying hey you can develop software anonymously its about time you go and sit down with legal and understand how screwed that idea is.Jul 27 11:48
MinceRno, the idea the screwedness one needs to understand is the one we call "state"Jul 27 11:49
MinceRit isn't working for the majority anywhereJul 27 11:49
MinceRit just gives a few authoritarian assholes power over masses of people and lets them rob those people regularlyJul 27 11:49
oiaohmReally you need to do what I said.   Legal people will start talking about libability and how you will ensure that parties are not backdooring your code.Jul 27 11:50
MinceRyes, and then they'll look for more ways to screw you overJul 27 11:50
MinceRjust because they canJul 27 11:51
MinceRif they had the talent and interest in doing something productive, they wouldn't be working for the stateJul 27 11:51
oiaohmNOJul 27 11:51
oiaohmHow will you back trace a person who is sabtoaging your code base if you cannot id them.Jul 27 11:51
oiaohmAnonymously developing code really does not work.Jul 27 11:52
MinceRhow would it help if i could?Jul 27 11:52
MinceRthey're probably supported by one of the statesJul 27 11:52
MinceRlike russiaJul 27 11:52
MinceRor the usaJul 27 11:52
oiaohmYou have proper tracking you can review anything that person submits.  This requires proper user id.Jul 27 11:53
oiaohmAfter you find a fault.Jul 27 11:53
oiaohmPure  anonymous basically does not work for code development because it strips you of what you need to work against bad actors.Jul 27 11:54
MinceRnot that it matters when they decide your best developers misgendered someone on twitter and jail themJul 27 11:54
MinceRhttps://ircz.de/p/19052869Jul 27 11:55
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oiaohmWhat about case that your best developer gets controlled by a state and gun point and ordered to backdoor stuff.Jul 27 11:55
oiaohmSo legal threat is multi sided.Jul 27 11:55
oiaohmmisgendered idea blocking a lead developer hey that kind of stuff has happened when lead developers have killed people and other things already.Jul 27 11:56
oiaohmbest developers do have to be replaceable.Jul 27 11:56
MinceRkilling people is different from saying stuff that offends someone whose profession is to be offended, thoughJul 27 11:57
MinceRin the end, you'll either end up with no developers or developers who never say anything publiclyJul 27 11:57
oiaohmKilling is the worst one was jailed for ofending a countries leader.Jul 27 11:57
oiaohmSo the crap you brought up happens already.Jul 27 11:57
oiaohmand it no reason to weaken development against bad actors adding code.Jul 27 11:58
oiaohmYes without doing something like the CoC there was higher risk of key developers doing stuff that could see the jailed in one country or another.Jul 27 12:00
oiaohmLike  Linus usage of bad language techically breached Australias telecomunicaiton act and he comes to Australia for conferences.Jul 27 12:01
oiaohmMinceR: basically we have been lucky up until now that government enforcement of their laws against online activities has been fairly restricted but that is not staying this way.Jul 27 12:02
MinceRdevelopers can already lie about their identityJul 27 12:02
MinceRand those who want to add backdoors have plenty of reason to do soJul 27 12:02
oiaohmReally its not as simple to lie about idenity and submit code to the like of the Linux kernel.Jul 27 12:03
oiaohmand more projects are demarding validation of id information.Jul 27 12:04
oiaohmSorry you are saying ideas that were kind of true before the year 2000 and have been disappearing from the internet project by project.Jul 27 12:05
oiaohmMinceR: due to the security around development in a lot of projects the only way really for state actors to get backdoors in will be to force known developers to-do their bidding.   False id will more often than not see no code accepted.Jul 27 12:08
oiaohmYou ideas were basically not grounded in the current reality of development.   The reality of idea of developing code without identifiy yourself properly is getting close to impossible these days.Jul 27 12:09
oiaohmOnly thing you can really code and attempt to be annoymous is malware.Jul 27 12:09
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MinceRyeah, and stuff worked before 2000Jul 27 12:21
MinceRnow everything is collapsingJul 27 12:21
MinceRand if it were up to the statists and the SJWs, our technology and society _will_ collapseJul 27 12:21
MinceR>only way really for state actors to get backdoors in will be to force known developers to-do their bidding.Jul 27 12:21
MinceRthey _already_ have known developers at their mercyJul 27 12:22
MinceRthey've already blackmailed LinusJul 27 12:22
MinceRgkh already serves themJul 27 12:22
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oiaohmReally Linus was going to get into trouble with Australian regulation if he kept on doing what he was doing.Jul 27 12:50
oiaohmMinceR: before 2000 we did not have legal involved that much on the internet.Jul 27 12:51
MinceRwhich is why it workedJul 27 13:02
MinceReverything the state gets involved with goes to hellJul 27 13:02
oiaohmReally it was the USA state that made the internet.Jul 27 13:03
oiaohmMinceR: So of course it gone to hell.Jul 27 13:03
oiaohmThe writing was always on the wall.Jul 27 13:04
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oiaohmhttps://www.vice.com/en_us/article/mb88za/amazon-requires-police-to-shill-surveillance-cameras-in-secret-agreement  nothing like backdoors.Jul 27 15:28
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MinceRhttps://ircz.de/p/19071149Jul 27 16:42
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XRevan86MinceR: Or maybe it's just UV or something.Jul 27 16:44
MinceR:>Jul 27 16:44
XRevan86or it's like comparing a regular glass of water and a glass of Flint waterJul 27 16:46
scientesthe water in Peru is woorse than Flint waterJul 27 16:48
XRevan86There are many places in Russia that'd trade places with Flint.Jul 27 16:49
XRevan86I've used the most recognisable example is all.Jul 27 16:49
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oiaohmhttps://www.zdnet.com/article/github-starts-blocking-developers-in-countries-facing-us-trade-sanctions/  << Let the government regulation hell begin.Jul 27 19:23
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MinceRserves them right for using githubJul 27 19:24
oiaohmBut you can bet it will not stop there.Jul 27 19:26
XRevan86Microsoft GitHub's new ban of people from US-embargoed states got quite controversial, more so than Slack's.Jul 27 19:53
schestowitzhttps://twitter.com/siavashs/status/1154693071638081536            Jul 27 19:54
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@siavashs: So after the @SlackHQ incident now it's @github which has started blocking users based on their country of origin,… https://t.co/G5VwiNyPUiJul 27 19:54
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@siavashs: So after the @SlackHQ incident now it's @github which has started blocking users based on their country of origin,… https://t.co/G5VwiNyPUiJul 27 19:54
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schestowitzhttps://twitter.com/taotetek/status/1154695658651226113            Jul 27 19:54
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@taotetek: @siavashs @SlackHQ @github @gitlab I moved to gitlab awhile back due to Microsoft's purchase of github. I originall… https://t.co/Ih3ZoVg8nJJul 27 19:54
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schestowitzhttps://twitter.com/zoobab/status/1154760759110492160            Jul 27 19:54
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@zoobab: After Iran, another open source developer from Crimea banned for Trump embargo reasons #deletegithub "My GitHub acc… https://t.co/l1nxICjmH1Jul 27 19:54
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@zoobab: After Iran, another open source developer from Crimea banned for Trump embargo reasons #deletegithub "My GitHub acc… https://t.co/l1nxICjmH1Jul 27 19:54
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schestowitzhttps://twitter.com/zoobab/status/1155028588418281472            Jul 27 19:54
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@zoobab: Moving to Teheran (Iran) only for software development on Github #deletegithub #iran #fucktrump… https://t.co/AeYbpJs0qeJul 27 19:54
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@zoobab: Moving to Teheran (Iran) only for software development on Github #deletegithub #iran #fucktrump… https://t.co/AeYbpJs0qeJul 27 19:54
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schestowitzhttps://twitter.com/Hamed/status/1154268514074660864            Jul 27 19:54
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@Hamed: Dear @natfriedman Today @github blocked my access to some free services. I thinks this is a clear #discrimination… https://t.co/1panzexngWJul 27 19:54
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@Hamed: Dear @natfriedman Today @github blocked my access to some free services. I thinks this is a clear #discrimination… https://t.co/1panzexngWJul 27 19:54
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schestowitzhttps://twitter.com/Hamed/status/1154674495464116224            Jul 27 19:54
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schestowitzhttps://twitter.com/zoobab/status/1155030433291264000            Jul 27 19:55
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@zoobab: @GytisT @Hamed @natfriedman @github Why does the planet have to suffer from stupid US laws?Jul 27 19:55
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schestowitzhttps://twitter.com/hughbarnard/status/1155034429653471232            Jul 27 19:55
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@hughbarnard: https://t.co/JXVAS22sVc of course this is @Microsoft owned. I wonder about the others? I left @github for… https://t.co/cVhUYQmIZnJul 27 19:55
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@hughbarnard: https://t.co/JXVAS22sVc of course this is @Microsoft owned. I wonder about the others? I left @github for… https://t.co/cVhUYQmIZnJul 27 19:55
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schestowitzhttps://twitter.com/zoobab/status/1155041536209559552            Jul 27 19:55
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@zoobab: "We have conveniently ignored, over the last 20 years, the fact that most global IT companies are headquartered in… https://t.co/pKtCAjIAQCJul 27 19:55
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@zoobab: "We have conveniently ignored, over the last 20 years, the fact that most global IT companies are headquartered in… https://t.co/pKtCAjIAQCJul 27 19:55
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schestowitzhttps://twitter.com/hughbarnard/status/1155036221560823808            Jul 27 19:55
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@hughbarnard: @zoobab @Microsoft @github @sourceforge Yes, thanks. All this is now a good reason to think, very, very hard about… https://t.co/QfdTlQRG1NJul 27 19:55
schestowitzhttps://hub.packtpub.com/github-has-blocked-an-iranian-software-developers-account/Jul 27 19:55
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-hub.packtpub.com | GitHub has blocked an Iranian software developer's account | Packt HubJul 27 19:55
schestowitzhttps://medium.com/@hamed/github-blocked-my-account-and-they-think-im-developing-nuclear-weapons-e7e1fe62cb74      Jul 27 19:55
schestowitzhttp://techrights.org/2019/07/27/github-run-by-racist-microsoft/Jul 27 19:55
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-medium.com | GitHub blocked my account and they think I’m developing nuclear weaponsJul 27 19:55
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Microsoft’s Takeover of GitHub Already an Attack on the Four Freedoms in Service of Empire | TechrightsJul 27 19:55
XRevan86> racistJul 27 19:55
XRevan86Not technically racist.Jul 27 19:55
XRevan86Discriminatory – yes, imperialist – maybe, racist – no.Jul 27 19:56
schestowitzthe policies come from a racist regimeJul 27 19:57
schestowitzso it's racist by inferencesJul 27 19:57
schestowitzThey implement the racist policiesJul 27 19:57
schestowitzwe've begun making some site backups, plus scripts. More to come. https://archive.org/details/@techrightsJul 27 20:20
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schestowitz https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oks2R4LqWtEJul 27 20:41
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DaemonFC[m]schestowitz: I was talking to mom about her divorce from Gonad years back (2008....he later died in 2017).Jul 27 21:49
DaemonFC[m]He wanted her to sign a quitclaim deed to their house and her lawyer told her to go ahead because he couldn't sell it without refinancing it without her name on it anyway.Jul 27 21:49
DaemonFC[m]So I asked if it made a difference in the divorce. She said, "Oh yeah, it made him hurry up and make a bunch of concessions and then sign off on it faster and then he realized he still couldn't do anything with the house after that was done. He thought he'd leave it to his kids when he died, but that didn't work out either because none of them can hold a job long enough to keep up the mortgage payments, so the thingJul 27 21:51
DaemonFC[m]went into foreclosure, and then I included it in my bankruptcy.".Jul 27 21:51
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DaemonFC[m]I managed to give the cops the slip yesterday.Jul 27 21:58
MinceRhttps://ircz.de/p/19071143Jul 27 21:58
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DaemonFC[m]I was going 50 in a 30 and didn't realize it and one of them hit the lights, but couldn't turn around right away because of some other cars and a barrier, so I waited until I was far enough ahead that he couldn't see me and then slipped into a housing addition. Someone left their garage door up, so I pulled my car in and parked it and sat there for like 15 minutes. Jul 27 21:59
MinceRlolJul 27 22:01
MinceRthey don't record your license plates or something?Jul 27 22:02
MinceRhttps://ircz.de/p/19071116Jul 27 22:05
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XRevan86MinceR: I see you're in #devuan. I'm too lazy to go there, so I'll ask to relay a message: beowulf-backports, when? %)Jul 27 22:14
XRevan86I have only one explanation: they forgot.Jul 27 22:17
MinceR:)Jul 27 22:21
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MinceRdon't be.Jul 27 22:21
XRevan86It's a banal issue. http://deb.devuan.org/devuan/dists/ an obvious discrepancy here.Jul 27 22:33
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XRevan86testing-backports is apparently a symlink to ascii-backportsJul 27 22:34
MinceRXRevan86: 27 235551 < golinux> MinceR: I guess that's because there is no official beowulf yet.Jul 27 22:56
XRevan86MinceR: It doesn't need to be mapped to the Devuan release cycle, just to buster-backportsJul 27 22:57
XRevan86IIRC, ascii-backports existed long before the official release.Jul 27 22:58
XRevan86From the very start of the Ascii… err, branch.Jul 27 22:58
MinceRXRevan86: 27 235713 < golinux> But there will be no beowulf-backports with the hyphenJul 27 22:58
DaemonFC[m]they don't record your license plates or something?Jul 27 22:59
DaemonFC[m]MinceR The police have to pull you over and cite you or else there's no charges.Jul 27 22:59
XRevan86MinceR: o_oJul 27 22:59
DaemonFC[m]Even though speed trap cameras are allowed if they are stationary and next to certain things (parks, schools, etc.) in Illinois, the tickets they write are non-moving violations and are simply sent to a collection agency if you don't payJul 27 22:59
MinceRDaemonFC[m]: icJul 27 23:00
DaemonFC[m]They can't be used to determine your insurance rates and they don't result in points on your license.Jul 27 23:00
DaemonFC[m]To be a moving violation, the police have to catch you and write you a ticket.Jul 27 23:00
DaemonFC[m]Although....Jul 27 23:00
MinceRsounds like the police do a lot more work in the usa than in hungaryJul 27 23:01
DaemonFC[m]The law states that if a cemera flashes you and then the police pull you over within 1/8th of a mile and cite you for the same offense, then you can use your ticket from the police to get the ticket from the camera thrown out.Jul 27 23:01
DaemonFC[m]*cameraJul 27 23:02
XRevan86MinceR: This broke my mind.Jul 27 23:02
DaemonFC[m]So, if the police light you up, pull over immediately.Jul 27 23:02
XRevan86What's the alternative? devuan-backports.org?Jul 27 23:02
DaemonFC[m]Then at least if they write you a ticket, you can use it to throw out the camera ticket.Jul 27 23:03
DaemonFC[m]They have to do that because of the double jeopardy rule (constitution).Jul 27 23:04
MinceRXRevan86: dunnoJul 27 23:04
DaemonFC[m]You can't be tried twice for the same offense.Jul 27 23:04
DaemonFC[m]So the law throws out the far less serious camera ticket in favor of the much worse one (for you) from the police officer.Jul 27 23:04
DaemonFC[m]MinceR: Actually, you might be tried twice for the same offense.Jul 27 23:05
DaemonFC[m]Just not by the state government.Jul 27 23:05
DaemonFC[m]If I'm in Illinois and I decided to have sex with someone below the age of consent, that's a state crime.Jul 27 23:06
DaemonFC[m]But if I crossed over to Wisconsin and did it, that's a state crime and a federal crime.Jul 27 23:06
DaemonFC[m]The federal crime being traveling across state lines with the intent to have sex with a minor.Jul 27 23:06
DaemonFC[m]So the state of Wisconsin could put you on trial and then the federal government can too.Jul 27 23:06
DaemonFC[m]The possible defense to the federal charge would be "When did the intent begin?".Jul 27 23:07
DaemonFC[m]If I opened Grindr while I was in Wisconsin for some other reason and the meeting was arranged at that point, then the federal crime would not apply.Jul 27 23:08
DaemonFC[m]The federal law is actually far more severe.Jul 27 23:08
DaemonFC[m]It defines "minor" as anyone under the age of 18.Jul 27 23:09
DaemonFC[m]So even if it is legal in the state, if you traveled across a state line with intent, then the age is 18.Jul 27 23:09
DaemonFC[m]MinceR: Technically, this could open you up to the crime of having sex with your wife or something.Jul 27 23:10
DaemonFC[m]Say you live on the Illinois side of the Indiana-Illinois state line.Jul 27 23:10
DaemonFC[m]You previously married a 16 year old (who is legally emancipated for some reason or with parental consent).Jul 27 23:11
DaemonFC[m]They haven't moved out of Indiana yet.Jul 27 23:11
DaemonFC[m]You go to Indiana with the intent to have sex with your wife. Bam. Federal crime.Jul 27 23:12
DaemonFC[m]Also......Say you weren't going to do that in Indiana. You take them back to Illinois to your house.Jul 27 23:12
DaemonFC[m]Doesn't matter. Same offense. Jul 27 23:12
DaemonFC[m]But let's say, for the sake of argument, you were going to Indiana to have sex with your wife, but you could make a convincing legal argument that you were actually in Indiana to grab an ice cream cone and the sex happened later, spontaneously, and wasn't planned at all before you left Illinois.Jul 27 23:13
DaemonFC[m]No crime.Jul 27 23:13
XRevan86MinceR: Thanks for relaying my question. I guess I'll see what they are planning soon enough (:Jul 27 23:14
DaemonFC[m]It's generally a legal principle in the federal system and most states that to commit a crime you must have had the intention of committing a crime.Jul 27 23:15
MinceRDaemonFC[m]: they let you marry someone they won't let you have sex with?Jul 27 23:15
DaemonFC[m]MinceR: You could have sex with them as much as you wanted to if both of you were in Indiana at the time you originally planned to have the sex.Jul 27 23:15
MinceRlolJul 27 23:16
MinceRthe usa is fucked upJul 27 23:16
DaemonFC[m]If you didn't leave Illinois with the intent to commit the crime, then there was no crime.Jul 27 23:16
DaemonFC[m]If your wife said "Come over and let's get ice cream!" and then later you have sex, then the federal crime of traveling across state lines with the intent to have sex with her doesn't apply.Jul 27 23:17
DaemonFC[m]You'll want a bench trial, by the way.Jul 27 23:17
DaemonFC[m]The judge knows the law.Jul 27 23:17
MinceRand the jury will ignore it?Jul 27 23:17
DaemonFC[m]They can.Jul 27 23:17
MinceRwell, they certainly have beforeJul 27 23:17
MinceRbut how common is it?Jul 27 23:18
DaemonFC[m]They are instructed by the judge but they don't necessarily have to obey the instructions.Jul 27 23:18
DaemonFC[m]They don't have to give any reason for why they reached a verdict.Jul 27 23:18
DaemonFC[m]So you can be convicted even though you didn't break the law, even though the judge instructed them that you didn't break the law.Jul 27 23:18
DaemonFC[m]And you can be acquitted even if the law clearly says you broke the law, because the jury can set aside the law.Jul 27 23:19
DaemonFC[m]but how common is it?Jul 27 23:19
DaemonFC[m]MinceR Generally, if you are making an emotional argument, you want a jury.Jul 27 23:19
DaemonFC[m]They'll be sympathetic whereas a judge might just strictly apply the law.Jul 27 23:19
DaemonFC[m]Also, it can be harder for the state to convince 12 people than 1 judge.Jul 27 23:20
DaemonFC[m]If your alleged offense is so heinous that you'll be found guilty by a jury just for being there, -or- your defense hinges on the wording of a law, then you want a bench trial.Jul 27 23:20
XRevan86DaemonFC[m]: Is there any way to apply a magic filter to those 12 people?Jul 27 23:20
DaemonFC[m]Well, defense lawyers working a jury use different strategies.Jul 27 23:21
XRevan86How are they being picked up?Jul 27 23:21
DaemonFC[m]They try to put on a good show and confuse the jury to the point where there's so much doubt that it's impossible to reach a verdict.Jul 27 23:21
DaemonFC[m]The goal, if you can't get the jury to reach a not guilty verdict, is to cause a mistrial.Jul 27 23:21
DaemonFC[m]The state could refile the charges, but for most misdemeanors, they don't bother because they've wasted a fuckton of time and don't want to risk having it happen again.Jul 27 23:22
DaemonFC[m]In the federal courts, judges let people go more often than juries do.Jul 27 23:22
DaemonFC[m]But that's because the sentencing guidelines and the procedure for proving a case in federal courts are somewhat different than they are in most states.Jul 27 23:23
DaemonFC[m]Since the new sentencing guidelines, federal judges convict people about 54% of the time.Jul 27 23:23
DaemonFC[m]While federal juries convict 87% of the time.Jul 27 23:23
MinceR28 001723 <+DaemonFC[m]> You'll want a bench trial, by the way.Jul 27 23:23
MinceR28 001727 <+DaemonFC[m]> The judge knows the law.Jul 27 23:23
MinceRi'm confused by thisJul 27 23:24
MinceRwon't the judge just give you a guilty verdict for the whole state border thing?Jul 27 23:24
DaemonFC[m]Statistically, in the federal system, you're better off asking for a trial by judge.Jul 27 23:24
DaemonFC[m]Well, the interesting thing here is that if you broke a state law,  then the federal prosecutors often delay filing the charges while the state goes after you for a state crime.Jul 27 23:24
DaemonFC[m]Then if the state finds you guilty, they can use that as evidence in your federal trial, and if the state finds you not guilty, they can take another swing at you.Jul 27 23:25
DaemonFC[m]But sometimes a Not Guilty at the state level means that a federal trial would be pointless because your defense can bring up that the state took a swing at you and missed.Jul 27 23:26
DaemonFC[m]In the 1992 LA Riots, the police officers that beat Rodney King were put on trial in California and acquitted. Then the federal government put them on trial again and convicted them on entirely separate charges involving violating Rodney King's civil rights.Jul 27 23:28
DaemonFC[m]So the state said they didn't beat Rodney King. (Even though it was on video.)Jul 27 23:29
DaemonFC[m]Then the federal government said they violated his civil rights and convicted them on that, even though the state found that they weren't guilty of anything.Jul 27 23:30
DaemonFC[m]So the police both didn't do anything wrong, according to California and were guily of violating his civil rights, according to the federal government, with the beating that never took place according to the state of California.Jul 27 23:31
DaemonFC[m]MinceR: That's how the law works.Jul 27 23:31
MinceRlolJul 27 23:31
MinceRthe beating that is known to have never taken place to the state of california? :>Jul 27 23:32
DaemonFC[m]Yes. California says no beating occurred, even though it's on video. Then the federal government says that the police violated his civil rights with a beating that the state found never happened, even though it was all on video.Jul 27 23:32
DaemonFC[m]So, the police went to federal prison for 30 months based on a beating that they doled out that the state of California says didn't happen, even though the video showing it happening was on every TV set in America.Jul 27 23:33
DaemonFC[m]It sparked one of the worst race riots of the last 60 years, and the worst one in my lifetime.Jul 27 23:34
DaemonFC[m]Claiming the lives of 62 people.Jul 27 23:34
MinceR:>Jul 27 23:34
DaemonFC[m]But the beating both did and did not happen, at the same time, depending on which government you ask.Jul 27 23:34
DaemonFC[m]Even though everyone saw it happening on the evening news.Jul 27 23:35
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DaemonFC[m]MinceR: But civil law is an entirely different matter.Jul 27 23:35
DaemonFC[m]Rodney King could sue the LAPD for this in state court or federal court, no matter how the criminal trial played out in either system, and it would be up to a 12 member jury whether the police were liable (in a civil capacity) based on "more likely than not", instead of "beyond a reasonable doubt".Jul 27 23:37
DaemonFC[m]The verdict would only need 7 out of 12 jurors in a civil trial vs. 12/12 in a criminal trial.Jul 27 23:37
DaemonFC[m]Civil matters are much easier to prove.Jul 27 23:37
DaemonFC[m]If you want to put a percentage on it, a rule of thumb would be...Jul 27 23:38
DaemonFC[m]If the state puts you on trial for a crime, it should be able to prove that it was about 95% likely that this happened.Jul 27 23:38
DaemonFC[m]But if I sue you, I only have to prove it was 51% likely that what I say is true.Jul 27 23:38
DaemonFC[m]OJ Simpson was found Not Guilty of two counts of first degree murder.Jul 27 23:38
DaemonFC[m]He was then sued for wrongful death by the families and lost.Jul 27 23:39
DaemonFC[m]That's a perfect example of how you can be found Not Guilty and then be sued and lose there.Jul 27 23:39
DaemonFC[m]Of course, if you are found guilty or take a plea deal, it can be very useful if someone wants to sue you later.Jul 27 23:39
DaemonFC[m]Because it makes it easier to prove their guilt going in.Jul 27 23:40
MinceRdid the state of california explain how the things on the video did not happen?Jul 27 23:40
DaemonFC[m]They were already found guilty of the crime that you say you deserve financial compensation from.Jul 27 23:40
DaemonFC[m]MinceR It was a jury that decided that the beating didn't happen, after watching the video of the beating.Jul 27 23:41
MinceRah, so they didn't have to give any explanationJul 27 23:42
DaemonFC[m]NopeJul 27 23:42
DaemonFC[m]Privately, they could have all gone back there and said "Well, King was high on drugs and speeding, so he deserved what happened.".Jul 27 23:43
DaemonFC[m]Not GuiltyJul 27 23:43
DaemonFC[m]Which is probably what happened, but we'll never know for sure.Jul 27 23:43
DaemonFC[m]The fact that he was a black guy and they're the cops couldn't have hurt the case for the police either.Jul 27 23:44
DaemonFC[m]I mean, it's not exactly a draw if I end up going to court over what I'm charged with now and the cops come in.Jul 27 23:44
DaemonFC[m]They're still the cops.Jul 27 23:44
DaemonFC[m]But if I was black, it would be Game Over before they even get in there.Jul 27 23:44
DaemonFC[m]The jury is over there going, "Well, this guy is a cop, and we all know blacks are criminals. I want to get out of here so I can go back to something important.".Jul 27 23:45
DaemonFC[m]When I was in court on Monday, the first defendant was an older black guy.Jul 27 23:46
DaemonFC[m]He went up there and the judge was annoyed that he was trying to explain himself.Jul 27 23:46
DaemonFC[m]Finally, he got a word in edgewise and come to find out that his brother called the cops and had them cite him for trespassing in HIS HOUSE, and then his brother and a few other people are now living in the house and squatting while this guy is facing charges of trespass on his own land.Jul 27 23:47
DaemonFC[m]MinceR: The cops don't give a fuck.Jul 27 23:48
XRevan86DaemonFC[m]: How are they even able to do the paperwork on this?Jul 27 23:48
DaemonFC[m]Do you think the cops stood there and sorted this out or did they just arrest some guy and let the system deal with their mess?Jul 27 23:48
MinceRwell yeah, we have this lovely thing they call a state which puts cops in a position where they don't need to give a fuckJul 27 23:48
DaemonFC[m]When someone calls the cops on you, they come out there and they're incredibly hostile to you.Jul 27 23:49
XRevan86$LAST_NAME, $FIRST_NAME, you are found guilty of trespassing the territory of $LAST_NAME, $FIRST_NAME ?Jul 27 23:49
DaemonFC[m]They're shouting over you, trying to put words in your mouth.Jul 27 23:49
DaemonFC[m]Then they handcuff you and take you to the station.Jul 27 23:49
DaemonFC[m]In my case, one of them even quoted me as saying something I never said.Jul 27 23:49
DaemonFC[m]Even though I immediately invoked my right to remain silent and speak to an attorney.Jul 27 23:49
DaemonFC[m]Now when we get into court, I never said that, but now I said that because a cop said I did, and the police don't lie.Jul 27 23:50
DaemonFC[m]:PJul 27 23:50
DaemonFC[m]They lie if they think it'll seal the deal on you. Jul 27 23:51
DaemonFC[m]Of course, talking to them won't help whether they decide to lie or not.Jul 27 23:51
DaemonFC[m]If you manage to damage yourself, they'll throw all of that in there too.Jul 27 23:51
DaemonFC[m]Maybe exageratting it a lot. Jul 27 23:51
DaemonFC[m]When they get you down to the station, they'll want to set up a camera and "interview you".Jul 27 23:52
DaemonFC[m]At this meeting, they'll ask leading questions and try to get you to fuck yourself.Jul 27 23:52
DaemonFC[m]And then if it goes to trial, you're screwed, and if you get a plea deal it doesn't have to be a very good one.Jul 27 23:52
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DaemonFC[m]The plea deal terms are always....ALWAYS....based on the prosecutor's odds of losing the case.Jul 27 23:53
DaemonFC[m]If they have a 90% chance of winning, they don't need you that much and if they have a 90% chance of losing, you might get a small fine. Jul 27 23:53
DaemonFC[m]The more you talk to the cops, the more you move the needle, away from getting a good plea deal.Jul 27 23:54
DaemonFC[m]Or, if it goes to court, away from getting some or all of the charges dismissed, or a lenient sentence from the judge based on some remaining doubt or because you might have mitigating factors.Jul 27 23:55
DaemonFC[m]So talking to the police is always a bad move.Jul 27 23:55
DaemonFC[m]In the UK, things work a bit differently.Jul 27 23:55
DaemonFC[m]You don't have to talk to the cops, but they can use the fact that you refused to talk to them as evidence that you're guilty.Jul 27 23:55
MinceRclassyJul 27 23:56
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DaemonFC[m]In the US system, the judge is not allowed to consider refusal to talk to the police as evidence of guilty, and is required to instruct the jury that they are to make no assumptions about your guilt or innocence based on whether you talked to the police.Jul 27 23:56
DaemonFC[m]*of guiltJul 27 23:56
MinceRwhich then the jury ignoresJul 27 23:56
DaemonFC[m]In fact, the US system got worse back in the 80s.Jul 27 23:57
DaemonFC[m]Used to be that defendants had NO RIGHT to take the witness stand, and the judge had to tell the jury that.Jul 27 23:57
DaemonFC[m]Now you can choose whether to do it or not.Jul 27 23:57
DaemonFC[m]Juries expect that an innocent person will get up there and protest against the state's case and declare their innocense.Jul 27 23:58
DaemonFC[m]But going up there opens you up to the prosecution too.Jul 27 23:58
DaemonFC[m]And if you have prior convictions, they are now free to discuss those with you while you're there, in front of the judge or the jury.Jul 27 23:58
DaemonFC[m]So, if you have priors that will damage you, you can't take the stand because it will make the judge and jury hear everything you've ever done.Jul 27 23:58
DaemonFC[m]But if you don't go up there, then the jury will suspect you're hiding something.Jul 27 23:59
DaemonFC[m]MinceR: In Indiana, one of my relatives was on trial for something in 2012.Jul 27 23:59
DaemonFC[m]The lawyer was a dumbass and not only requested a jury even though it was a morals charge.Jul 27 23:59
DaemonFC[m]But put him on the stand even though he had priors.Jul 27 23:59

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