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| cubexyz | XRevan86, I don't know if you saw any of the original Battlestar Galactica episodes, but back in sept 1978 I saw "Gun on Ice Planet Zero" which stuck in my memory | Jun 30 00:17 |
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| XRevan86 | cubexyz: A few years ago I was trying to sit through the first one. I didn't get very far. | Jun 30 00:18 |
| XRevan86 | I don't remember why, probably wasn't in the mood for it. | Jun 30 00:18 |
| XRevan86 | I do remember that it was slow, but that's pretty obvious anyway. | Jun 30 00:19 |
| XRevan86 | I watch Star Trek on a 1.1 speed %). | Jun 30 00:20 |
| XRevan86 | TNG, DS9 and now Voyager. I'd probably get away with 1.2 easily, but that distorts human voices noticeably. | Jun 30 00:22 |
| XRevan86 | Ironically, with ST: Discovery I cannot keep up. | Jun 30 00:23 |
| XRevan86 | When shit hits the fan, it hits all the fans on the screen simultaneously | Jun 30 00:24 |
| XRevan86 | Also dialogues there are boring, which probably contributes to "what is happening!?" | Jun 30 00:25 |
| XRevan86 | cubexyz: If the first Battlestar Galactica is anything like the second, watching out of sequence is most unwise. | Jun 30 00:29 |
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| cubexyz | didn't like star trek discovery very much | Jun 30 00:41 |
| XRevan86 | cubexyz: I forgot, have you seen The Expanse? | Jun 30 00:51 |
| cubexyz | no | Jun 30 00:51 |
| cubexyz | don't watch much tv these days | Jun 30 00:52 |
| XRevan86 | cubexyz: But you saw Discovery? | Jun 30 00:52 |
| cubexyz | yes, I was curious about it | Jun 30 00:52 |
| XRevan86 | Bad time allocation %) | Jun 30 00:52 |
| XRevan86 | cubexyz: I guess I should make you curious about The Expanse (: | Jun 30 00:53 |
| cubexyz | an example of a prequel with better tech, which is jarring | Jun 30 00:53 |
| cubexyz | in pike's time they had gooseneck viewers, not holographic technology | Jun 30 00:54 |
| XRevan86 | cubexyz: the what viewers? | Jun 30 00:54 |
| cubexyz | XRevan86, if you ever watched "The Cage" you would have seen it | Jun 30 00:54 |
| cubexyz | the gooseneck viewers were everywhere on the ship | Jun 30 00:55 |
| cubexyz | on the transporter, the nav console, the command chair... | Jun 30 00:55 |
| XRevan86 | cubexyz: It's interesting that they brought up Section 31 | Jun 30 00:55 |
| XRevan86 | Except in DS9 it's a completely hidden underground organisation | Jun 30 00:56 |
| scientes | ....ahhh its section 49 | Jun 30 00:56 |
| scientes | I flew over it in Las Vegas.... | Jun 30 00:56 |
| XRevan86 | And in Discovery it's… KGB | Jun 30 00:56 |
| scientes | or rather, besides it | Jun 30 00:56 |
| scientes | it is a no-fly-zone | Jun 30 00:56 |
| cubexyz | tyler is morphed into a klingon, in the original he's just a human | Jun 30 00:56 |
| cubexyz | maybe that's a different character though | Jun 30 00:57 |
| cubexyz | jose tyler, ash tyler | Jun 30 00:57 |
| XRevan86 | cubexyz: In Discovery he's a Klingon that assumed human form to be a sleeping agent | Jun 30 00:57 |
| cubexyz | right, but they didn't really follow the original story | Jun 30 00:57 |
| cubexyz | they just changed everything | Jun 30 00:58 |
| XRevan86 | The Star Wars prequels: now Darth Vader turns out be a latino girl | Jun 30 00:58 |
| XRevan86 | * to be | Jun 30 00:59 |
| XRevan86 | Oh, you thought you saw Vader's face? Little inconsistencies are bound to happen, you know | Jun 30 00:59 |
| XRevan86 | That's how I see Discovery: it claims to be a prequel, but it doesn't follow the original lore all that well | Jun 30 01:01 |
| cubexyz | right | Jun 30 01:01 |
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| cubexyz | that was my main problem with it | Jun 30 01:01 |
| XRevan86 | But my main problem is still boring dialogues and confusing action scenes %) | Jun 30 01:02 |
| XRevan86 | Also does everyone have to be special? | Jun 30 01:03 |
| XRevan86 | Hello, previously unknown protagonist with a difficult past | Jun 30 01:04 |
| XRevan86 | Oh, you're Spock's sister… I should have known. | Jun 30 01:04 |
| scientes | what is the difference between a .o and .a file? | Jun 30 01:05 |
| XRevan86 | scientes: .o is compiled code | Jun 30 01:05 |
| scientes | so is .a | Jun 30 01:06 |
| scientes | .a is a static library | Jun 30 01:06 |
| cubexyz | *.a is archive | Jun 30 01:06 |
| XRevan86 | that is yet to be linked to become a library or executable | Jun 30 01:06 |
| scientes | i think .a's are just ar archives of .o files | Jun 30 01:06 |
| cubexyz | it can be anything really | Jun 30 01:06 |
| XRevan86 | .a is an ar archive | Jun 30 01:06 |
| scientes | all smashed together | Jun 30 01:06 |
| XRevan86 | cubexyz: It probably isn't though | Jun 30 01:07 |
| scientes | .deb is also a ar archive | Jun 30 01:08 |
| XRevan86 | As not many people care about ar these days | Jun 30 01:08 |
| scientes | (most of the time) | Jun 30 01:08 |
| scientes | ar is also limited to 1GB | Jun 30 01:08 |
| cubexyz | XRevan86, I used it in Unix v5 for *.c files | Jun 30 01:08 |
| XRevan86 | scientes: Most of the time? When is it not? | Jun 30 01:08 |
| scientes | XRevan86, the old .deb format is still supported | Jun 30 01:08 |
| XRevan86 | cubexyz: You're making my point :) | Jun 30 01:08 |
| XRevan86 | scientes: Hm, I wonder why. It's not like these ancient .deb would even work either way | Jun 30 01:10 |
| scientes | well that it is relevent because it is a way of getting around the file size limit of ar | Jun 30 01:10 |
| cubexyz | ar limits is chronologically dependent | Jun 30 01:11 |
| cubexyz | depends on which era you are talking about | Jun 30 01:11 |
| cubexyz | originally ar was the archive and library maintainer | Jun 30 01:13 |
| XRevan86 | cubexyz: GDK_CURRENT_TIME | Jun 30 01:13 |
| scientes | yeah i have to agree with XRevan86 on this one | Jun 30 01:14 |
| scientes | its not that bad of a format, except for the file size limit | Jun 30 01:14 |
| scientes | but no-one really gives a shit | Jun 30 01:14 |
| MinceR | (audio:unimportant) https://vid.pr0gramm.com/2019/06/03/052c086f083a7ff4.mp4 | Jun 30 01:15 |
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| XRevan86 | This does raise a practical question: why doesn't Debian move to tar for this? Lack of desire to produce yet another spec? | Jun 30 01:16 |
| cubexyz | well just look in /usr/lib sometime | Jun 30 01:16 |
| cubexyz | plenty of *.a files | Jun 30 01:16 |
| scientes | cubexyz, that is completely irrelevent | Jun 30 01:17 |
| scientes | XRevan86, go read the lwn article on this | Jun 30 01:17 |
| scientes | i don't feel like rehashing it | Jun 30 01:17 |
| XRevan86 | scientes: You could always link it :P | Jun 30 01:17 |
| scientes | debian can have long conversations about uninteresting and unimportant things | Jun 30 01:17 |
| scientes | https://lwn.net/Articles/789449/ | Jun 30 01:17 |
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| scientes | > Alexander E. Patrakov | Jun 30 01:18 |
| scientes | some russian | Jun 30 01:18 |
| XRevan86 | cubexyz: That's exactly why .a is associated exclusively with static libraries. | Jun 30 01:18 |
| XRevan86 | It's the only application for ar in a contemporary distribution (and debs have a different extension) | Jun 30 01:19 |
| scientes | I've never seen a Russian have a middle initial, wouldn't it just be the patronomic?\ | Jun 30 01:19 |
| XRevan86 | scientes: I bet it is | Jun 30 01:20 |
| cubexyz | I still use tar quite a lot | Jun 30 01:22 |
| *scientes tars and feathers cubexyz | Jun 30 01:23 | |
| cubexyz | well, ask Linux then | Jun 30 01:23 |
| cubexyz | Linus | Jun 30 01:23 |
| XRevan86 | cubexyz: tar is everywhere | Jun 30 01:24 |
| XRevan86 | cubexyz: No surprises there | Jun 30 01:24 |
| scientes | even windows | Jun 30 01:24 |
| MinceR | https://ircz.de/p/1905011 | Jun 30 01:24 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-ircz.de | IRCZ makes your life worth living Post object | Jun 30 01:24 | |
| cubexyz | XRevan86, it's not apparent to me that ar is exclusively associated with static libaries | Jun 30 01:25 |
| MinceR | but what about feather? | Jun 30 01:25 |
| cubexyz | it can be used for man pages, or whatever | Jun 30 01:25 |
| XRevan86 | cubexyz: It can, but won't be. | Jun 30 01:25 |
| scientes | MinceR, https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tarring_and_feathering | Jun 30 01:25 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-en.wikipedia.org | Tarring and feathering - Wikipedia | Jun 30 01:25 | |
| cubexyz | .a as a static library came later on | Jun 30 01:31 |
| scientes | cubexyz, you don't seem to get the point---that no-one cares | Jun 30 01:32 |
| cubexyz | scientes, it's part of the history of unix | Jun 30 01:32 |
| scientes | people only talk about the "unix way" when they are angry that something changed, and they don't want to understand why | Jun 30 01:32 |
| XRevan86 | cubexyz: History where history's due. There's no practical reason to use ar for anything else. And if such an archive is found, it's more of a bug than a feature. | Jun 30 01:36 |
| cubexyz | yes historically that's what it was used for mainly | Jun 30 01:40 |
| cubexyz | before tar, before so files | Jun 30 01:40 |
| scientes | ..........you are still missing the point | Jun 30 01:42 |
| scientes | history is written for people in the present | Jun 30 01:42 |
| cubexyz | cd ss1 | Jun 30 01:43 |
| cubexyz | oops sorry | Jun 30 01:43 |
| cubexyz | just checking my old notes | Jun 30 01:43 |
| scientes | rm -rf ss1 | Jun 30 01:43 |
| cubexyz | XRevan86, they did use ar for *.s files and *.c files, for building very old unixes | Jun 30 01:45 |
| scientes | again, nobody cares | Jun 30 01:45 |
| cubexyz | scientes, grow up seriously | Jun 30 01:47 |
| cubexyz | how old are you 12? | Jun 30 01:47 |
| scientes | this is what XRevan86 has been saying | Jun 30 01:48 |
| scientes | that the history is ireelevent | Jun 30 01:48 |
| scientes | im not dismissing you | Jun 30 01:48 |
| cubexyz | Linux wouldn't even exist if it wasn't for unix | Jun 30 01:48 |
| cubexyz | you ask why ar is used, go ask the maintainers | Jun 30 01:50 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Apparently, X11 is getting to where it's about to be declared maintainence mode. | Jun 30 02:05 |
| DaemonFC[m] | No new features. | Jun 30 02:06 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Red Hat has been doing most of the work on it and they're tired of it. | Jun 30 02:06 |
| scientes | oh course | Jun 30 02:07 |
| scientes | Keith Packard | Jun 30 02:07 |
| scientes | its been that way for years | Jun 30 02:07 |
| scientes | they keep removing features | Jun 30 02:08 |
| DaemonFC[m] | They put me on fucking suicide watch at the jail last month. | Jun 30 02:10 |
| DaemonFC[m] | I had to stand there with my pants off and they took my eyeglasses away because John told them I was bipolar and unstable. | Jun 30 02:10 |
| DaemonFC[m] | The guy I'm dating asked me if I was scared at the police station. I told him I was terrified. The cops lie and they tell you they can do things that they can't really do. | Jun 30 02:11 |
| MinceR | well, at least rh won't be making x11 any worse, then | Jun 30 02:11 |
| DaemonFC[m] | It's hard to imagine X getting worse. | Jun 30 02:11 |
| DaemonFC[m] | The main use case for it now is a backwards compatibility system for Wayland. | Jun 30 02:11 |
| MinceR | maybe on gnome OS it is | Jun 30 02:12 |
| cubexyz | ok, well at least we can all agree it's better than win10 | Jun 30 02:21 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Very much so. | Jun 30 02:22 |
| DaemonFC[m] | My new boyfriend has a Mac and an iPhone. I was discussing the setup I use. | Jun 30 02:23 |
| DaemonFC[m] | He had never actually heard of Linux. He saw me using GNOME and all of the GNOME and Fedora stickers on my laptop. | Jun 30 02:23 |
| DaemonFC[m] | I had to plug mom's iPhone into my car the other day. | Jun 30 02:24 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Something's wrong with mine and Android Auto doesn't work right anymore. | Jun 30 02:24 |
| DaemonFC[m] | I think it's the USB port. | Jun 30 02:24 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Apple Carplay worked well enough to get me home, but it's very basic, and the Maps app is nowhere near as good as Waze. | Jun 30 02:25 |
| DaemonFC[m] | I told him everything that's going on this month and he still likes me. So if that's not a hell of a start, I don't know what is. | Jun 30 02:48 |
| DaemonFC[m] | The charges against me are pure bullshit, but it's going to take time to address them. | Jun 30 02:48 |
| DaemonFC[m] | I'm confident that when this is over, it won't be that bad. | Jun 30 02:48 |
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| schestowitz | [23:49] <DaemonFC[m]> schestowitz I can't go too far into the problems I'm facing, but I have a good lawyer. | Jun 30 04:37 |
| schestowitz | LOL | Jun 30 04:37 |
| schestowitz | "Good lawyer" | Jun 30 04:37 |
| schestowitz | so good she or he charges too much | Jun 30 04:37 |
| schestowitz | oh, wai | Jun 30 04:37 |
| schestowitz | I remember what you did | Jun 30 04:37 |
| schestowitz | John's partner and claim of a knife | Jun 30 04:37 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Pretty much. | Jun 30 04:40 |
| DaemonFC[m] | schestowitz: Not really. Flat fee. | Jun 30 04:40 |
| DaemonFC[m] | $2,000 even if we go to trial. | Jun 30 06:08 |
| DaemonFC[m] | So that's reasonable as lawyers go. | Jun 30 06:08 |
| oiaohm | DaemonFC[m]: since the start of wayland it was always planned to-do X.org standlone in. | Jun 30 06:20 |
| oiaohm | DaemonFC[m]: opps to do in X.org stand alone. | Jun 30 06:20 |
| oiaohm | That plan was in place before Redhat took over maintainership of x.org. | Jun 30 06:21 |
| oiaohm | work. | Jun 30 06:21 |
| schestowitz | DaemonFC[m]: I have better things to do with such money | Jun 30 07:53 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Eh, not go to jail sounds nice. | Jun 30 08:10 |
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| XRevan86 | MinceR: This makes some sense %) | Jun 30 16:02 |
| XRevan86 | exercising + getting somewhere fast | Jun 30 16:02 |
| XRevan86 | + polluting; PROFIT | Jun 30 16:03 |
| MinceR | if only there was a cheaper, less bulky, less complex way of doing the same :> | Jun 30 16:06 |
| XRevan86 | MinceR: if only… | Jun 30 16:10 |
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| XRevan86 | MinceR: I'm not convinced. Maybe they've patented exception handling. | Jul 01 08:10 |
| XRevan86 | within a while loop, yes | Jul 01 08:11 |
| MinceR | :> | Jul 01 08:15 |
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| XRevan86 | *after a mildly bumpy shuttle docking* | Jul 01 17:07 |
| XRevan86 | Tom: B'Elanna, are you alive? | Jul 01 17:07 |
| XRevan86 | If only there were safety belts in the Star Trek universe… | Jul 01 17:07 |
| XRevan86 | (and she has a bruise on her head from hitting the control panel with it) | Jul 01 17:08 |
| XRevan86 | (22:42:08) XRevan86: And if I were to pick the biggest flaw in the series, it'd be that humans are the best. | Jul 01 17:09 |
| XRevan86 | (22:42:33) XRevan86: the most tolerant and the most balanced | Jul 01 17:09 |
| XRevan86 | not in terms of safety though | Jul 01 17:09 |
| XRevan86 | If I knew in advance this is an episode about near-death "experiences" of an afterlife, I wouldn't've nit-picked safety belts. | Jul 01 17:34 |
| XRevan86 | If the series will acknowledge she's going coo-coo, I'll respect it %). | Jul 01 17:40 |
| XRevan86 | Nope, it's not going that direction. I'll go to hell, but I'll take MinceR with me! | Jul 01 17:47 |
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| MinceR | 01 180902 <+XRevan86> (22:42:08) XRevan86: And if I were to pick the biggest flaw in the series, it'd be that humans are the best. | Jul 01 19:37 |
| MinceR | must be a special kind of hell | Jul 01 19:37 |
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| XRevan86 | MinceR: A "Klingon heritage"-ignoring guilt-trip kind of hell | Jul 01 19:38 |
| MinceR | hell for especially retarded species | Jul 01 19:40 |
| XRevan86 | MinceR: The big deal is that B'Elanna figured she brought dishonour to her Klingon mother as the Klingon religion states that dishonour of a child goes to the parent. And since she's not into the Klingon religion stuff, she got her mother into hell. | Jul 01 19:42 |
| MinceR | religions that transfer/copy sins are probably the most barbaric religions in existence | Jul 01 19:42 |
| MinceR | like abrahamic religions | Jul 01 19:42 |
| XRevan86 | And the series wasn't critical of this little detail that the religion tries its best to lock-in by harassing children. | Jul 01 19:42 |
| XRevan86 | MinceR: Hm, is there a real-world analogue to this marvel? | Jul 01 19:44 |
| MinceR | yes | Jul 01 19:44 |
| MinceR | original sin, cursing descendants for someone's fault | Jul 01 19:44 |
| MinceR | maybe even cursing ancestors for it | Jul 01 19:44 |
| MinceR | i guess the authors were too embedded in Jesusland to notice how immoral this idea is | Jul 01 19:45 |
| XRevan86 | MinceR: Well, they do paint Klingons as a tiny bit barbaric. | Jul 01 19:45 |
| XRevan86 | But love and tolerance makes it not okay to talk shit about their beliefs. | Jul 01 19:45 |
| MinceR | too bad there's no love for the victims of these dogmas | Jul 01 19:47 |
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| XRevan86 | Religion is not an easy topic, as the distinction between being critical of religion and being critical of those who adhere it is hard to draw out. | Jul 01 19:48 |
| XRevan86 | But then, why do they keep bringing it up? | Jul 01 19:49 |
| XRevan86 | especially because their science is basically a parody | Jul 01 19:49 |
| XRevan86 | "science doesn't have all the answers" | Jul 01 19:49 |
| XRevan86 | Maybe it doesn't, but using a strawman for this is not really fair, is it | Jul 01 19:50 |
| XRevan86 | Proper science is beyond common science, but their Star Trek science is instead slightly below it. | Jul 01 19:51 |
| XRevan86 | * common sense | Jul 01 19:51 |
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| MinceR | http://direman.com/direman/comics/00001982.png | Jul 01 19:53 |
| MinceR | well, obviously, if religion is baseless, stupid and harmful, then the people who adhere to it are stupid as well | Jul 01 19:54 |
| MinceR | boo fucking hoo | Jul 01 19:54 |
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| MinceR | and the least they could do is stop forcing it on children | Jul 01 19:54 |
| XRevan86 | MinceR: Humans are inherently irrational, there's no point in setting a standard only a 0.0(0)1% will be able to meet. | Jul 01 19:55 |
| MinceR | that's fixing itself right now | Jul 01 19:56 |
| schestowitz | mermaid? | Jul 01 19:56 |
| MinceR | most humans are stupid, so humans use the technology given to them by the few who aren't stupid for stupid things | Jul 01 19:56 |
| MinceR | humans wipe themselves out | Jul 01 19:56 |
| XRevan86 | schestowitz: Disney's | Jul 01 19:56 |
| MinceR | no more humans who fail this standard will exist. | Jul 01 19:56 |
| MinceR | unfortunately, there's a lot of collateral damage | Jul 01 19:56 |
| XRevan86 | MinceR: Humans are oftentimes selectively irrational. | Jul 01 19:57 |
| XRevan86 | MinceR: They can develop technology AND believe in magic at the same time. | Jul 01 19:57 |
| schestowitz | XRevan86: yes, I know. She did a Disney on the floor. | Jul 01 19:57 |
| MinceR | extinction, however, is not selective | Jul 01 19:57 |
| MinceR | the climate catastrophe doesn't care what humans believe in | Jul 01 19:57 |
| MinceR | neither do plagues | Jul 01 19:57 |
| schestowitz | Disney happens | Jul 01 19:58 |
| XRevan86 | MinceR: Meanwhile, in Russia… | Jul 01 19:58 |
| MinceR | russians will go the way of the dodo all the same | Jul 01 19:59 |
| XRevan86 | MinceR: Meanwhile, in Russia, trash incinerators are the closest thing to recycling | Jul 01 19:59 |
| XRevan86 | MinceR: If you thought I was going to defend it, you don't yet know that Baikal's water is no longer considered clean. | Jul 01 20:01 |
| MinceR | :> | Jul 01 20:02 |
| XRevan86 | turns out, the deepest != infinitely deep | Jul 01 20:02 |
| MinceR | lol | Jul 01 20:02 |
| MinceR | i guess that tidbit wasn't in the bible either | Jul 01 20:02 |
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| XRevan86 | MinceR: The word "allied" ruins even technical correctness. | Jul 01 20:32 |
| MinceR | well, they had allies too, just different ones :> | Jul 01 20:32 |
| XRevan86 | MinceR: Then the word "allied" loses all meaning. | Jul 01 20:33 |
| XRevan86 | and that construction "the allied nations" implies that they are allied with each other | Jul 01 20:34 |
| MinceR | that's the trick | Jul 01 20:34 |
| MinceR | they were all allied, but not with each other | Jul 01 20:34 |
| XRevan86 | even though English is great enough to make this technically ambiguous | Jul 01 20:34 |
| XRevan86 | MinceR: Technically, they don't even technically state that leaders represent nations that they are leaders of in particular | Jul 01 20:36 |
| XRevan86 | maybe Angela represents… Canada | Jul 01 20:37 |
| MinceR | :> | Jul 01 20:37 |
| XRevan86 | or maybe all the leaders represent all the allied nations at the same time | Jul 01 20:38 |
| XRevan86 | this even makes some sense, an extremely boring kind | Jul 01 20:39 |
| XRevan86 | And maybe Angela is not here as a leader of Germany even | Jul 01 20:39 |
| XRevan86 | she's just A leader | Jul 01 20:39 |
| XRevan86 | maybe they all got to lead each other to the room when they arrived | Jul 01 20:40 |
| MinceR | the blind leading the blind | Jul 01 20:40 |
| XRevan86 | and now the worst possible explanation: maybe they're not leaders (liders), maybe they're leaders (leders) | Jul 01 20:41 |
| MinceR | :> | Jul 01 20:42 |
| XRevan86 | and this is actually a lead forging competition | Jul 01 20:42 |
| MinceR | that doesn't solve anything though | Jul 01 20:42 |
| MinceR | making it highly likely in politics, of course | Jul 01 20:42 |
| XRevan86 | MinceR: Disenfranchises from 1944 Germany. | Jul 01 20:43 |
| MinceR | especially when self-declared "conservatives" are involved | Jul 01 20:43 |
| MinceR | https://img.pr0gramm.com/2019/06/05/4e3416ff31b56747.jpg | Jul 01 20:44 |
| XRevan86 | MinceR: Fun fact: "conservative" is the word used in Russian for preservatives | Jul 01 20:45 |
| MinceR | :> | Jul 01 20:45 |
| MinceR | these "conservatives" fail to preserve anything, though | Jul 01 20:45 |
| XRevan86 | Fun fact #2: "preservative" is the word used in Russian for condomes | Jul 01 20:45 |
| XRevan86 | * condoms | Jul 01 20:46 |
| XRevan86 | it all sums up nicely | Jul 01 20:46 |
| XRevan86 | https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/%D0%B3%D0%BE%D0%BD%D0%B4%D0%BE%D0%BD#Russian and then there's this word | Jul 01 20:49 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-en.wiktionary.org | гондон - Wiktionary | Jul 01 20:49 | |
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| cubexyz | just putting the finishing touches on the LAN | Jul 01 21:51 |
| cubexyz | converting over to static ip addresses for everything | Jul 01 21:51 |
| MinceR | https://ircz.de/p/19062252 | Jul 01 23:06 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-ircz.de | IRCZ makes your life worth living Post object | Jul 01 23:06 | |
| XRevan86 | MinceR: So that's what I've been missing by not trying shawarma out… | Jul 01 23:12 |
| MinceR | :> | Jul 01 23:12 |
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| XRevan86 | Now that loadaverage.org is back up from a drive failure, I once again can immerse myself into the Fediverse and slowly lose the will to live from all the positivity. | Jul 02 01:06 |
| XRevan86 | I remember days when reading the feed before bed didn't give such discomfort </old man yells at cloud> | Jul 02 01:11 |
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| scientes | ^fake cyrillic | Jul 02 01:57 |
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| XRevan86 | https://joindiaspora.com/p/15334788 | Jul 02 16:09 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-joindiaspora.com | I have no idea how non-native English speakers ever master our conf... | Jul 02 16:09 | |
| XRevan86 | > i before e | Jul 02 16:10 |
| XRevan86 | I was not aware of such a rule of thumb | Jul 02 16:10 |
| XRevan86 | Most examples on the cup aren't legit, as pronunciation and spelling match for a change | Jul 02 16:11 |
| XRevan86 | > foreign, neighbour, Keith, eight, beige, sleigh, weight | Jul 02 16:12 |
| XRevan86 | though maybe not "foreign" | Jul 02 16:13 |
| XRevan86 | dialectal | Jul 02 16:13 |
| scientes | i before e except after c | Jul 02 16:14 |
| scientes | every rules has exceptions | Jul 02 16:14 |
| scientes | and then there is foreign | Jul 02 16:14 |
| scientes | the exception to the exceptions | Jul 02 16:15 |
| scientes | as always | Jul 02 16:15 |
| scientes | English is madness | Jul 02 16:15 |
| scientes | don't even try, use unspell.blogspot.com | Jul 02 16:15 |
| *XRevan86 pronounces "foreign" as "foreyn" | Jul 02 16:15 | |
| XRevan86 | with a shift towards dropping the "y" | Jul 02 16:16 |
| scientes | форин | Jul 02 16:17 |
| XRevan86 | so it's not like "weird", where both vowels are as the same | Jul 02 16:17 |
| *scientes needs stickers on his keyboard | Jul 02 16:17 | |
| scientes | at least Google's dictionary uses IPA, instead of all the stupid alternatives | Jul 02 16:18 |
| scientes | that try to make English phonetic, when such things are impossible, and extremely verbose | Jul 02 16:18 |
| scientes | and also don't follow the one-symbol-one-sound rule | Jul 02 16:18 |
| scientes | which has a name that I forgot | Jul 02 16:18 |
| XRevan86 | ўиирд | Jul 02 16:18 |
| *psydroid needs a reconfigurable keyboard | Jul 02 16:18 | |
| scientes | oh yes, double vowel | Jul 02 16:19 |
| scientes | Arabic also writes out the double vowels | Jul 02 16:19 |
| scientes | but only if it is A | Jul 02 16:19 |
| scientes | wait, i mean double constanents | Jul 02 16:19 |
| scientes | shows how much I know about what I am talking about.... | Jul 02 16:19 |
| XRevan86 | One of the notable differences between Great(er) Russian and Ukrainian grammar | Jul 02 16:20 |
| scientes | with English it is always, meh, may be this, may be that, no idea | Jul 02 16:20 |
| XRevan86 | Ukrainian drops double consonants | Jul 02 16:20 |
| XRevan86 | Odessa → Odesa | Jul 02 16:20 |
| scientes | interesting | Jul 02 16:20 |
| scientes | lol, i made that word Constant-ants | Jul 02 16:20 |
| XRevan86 | I generally don't support "ukrainianisation" of city names in English, as *English* doesn't do any of these things. | Jul 02 16:21 |
| scientes | English does almost everything in at least one case | Jul 02 16:21 |
| XRevan86 | scientes: Ukrainian tries to be consistent and phonetic, English doesn't. | Jul 02 16:22 |
| scientes | but omiting double consonents is not phonetic | Jul 02 16:22 |
| scientes | and why would someone care about a language that has no literature? | Jul 02 16:22 |
| XRevan86 | scientes: One can always translate %) | Jul 02 16:23 |
| scientes | I was amazed there were Russian books, translated into English, for sale in Costa Rica | Jul 02 16:23 |
| XRevan86 | Greater Russian and Ukrainian are close enough to make translations 99% perfect. | Jul 02 16:23 |
| XRevan86 | by perfect I mean no need to make adaptations | Jul 02 16:24 |
| XRevan86 | > but omitting double consonents is not phonetic | Jul 02 16:24 |
| XRevan86 | scientes: In cases when it is 100% phonetic, it retains it. | Jul 02 16:25 |
| XRevan86 | scientes: like "побачення" | Jul 02 16:25 |
| scientes | what does that mean? | Jul 02 16:25 |
| XRevan86 | Old Russian -ния → Ukrainian -ння | Jul 02 16:25 |
| XRevan86 | So the vowel "i" turned into a longer slender/soft consonant ñ | Jul 02 16:26 |
| scientes | I noticed по-англески | Jul 02 16:27 |
| XRevan86 | scientes: I took a random word. It means "appointment". | Jul 02 16:27 |
| scientes | but that type of diviation from phonetic is not a big deal | Jul 02 16:27 |
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| XRevan86 | scientes: I say "по-английски", just like it's spelt. | Jul 02 16:28 |
| scientes | ahh my lessons teach teach an abbreviated панглески | Jul 02 16:28 |
| psydroid | because people misspell words all the time, even if they know the correct spelling? | Jul 02 16:28 |
| XRevan86 | scientes: I guess when talking really fast… | Jul 02 16:29 |
| XRevan86 | I also dislike "Kyiv", as even in Ukrainian that "i" is only like that because it is unstressed. | Jul 02 16:31 |
| XRevan86 | so in the nominative case | Jul 02 16:31 |
| scientes | I have a great-grandfather from there | Jul 02 16:31 |
| XRevan86 | I am in Kiev → Ja w Kyjevi | Jul 02 16:32 |
| XRevan86 | (and in Greater Russian: Ja f Kijevi) | Jul 02 16:32 |
| scientes | Ja. ugggh I don't like transliterated Russian. This looks too much like Deutsche | Jul 02 16:32 |
| XRevan86 | scientes: I picked that way of transliteration as I need a distinction between й and ы | Jul 02 16:33 |
| XRevan86 | like in Polish | Jul 02 16:33 |
| scientes | Does ы even have a sound? | Jul 02 16:33 |
| scientes | I haven't figured that one out yet | Jul 02 16:33 |
| scientes | It just kind of sits at the end of words | Jul 02 16:33 |
| XRevan86 | scientes: Yes, it is a non-slendering/non-softening kind of "i" | Jul 02 16:34 |
| *psydroid speaks bits and pieces of Polish, Russian, Ukrainian and Serbo-Croatian | Jul 02 16:34 | |
| scientes | granted, in English you learn to ignore vowels completely because they are so useless | Jul 02 16:34 |
| scientes | so when they become useful again it takes a while to start actually reading them | Jul 02 16:34 |
| XRevan86 | scientes: "Это мыло очень милое." (this soap is very cute) | Jul 02 16:34 |
| XRevan86 | scientes: мыло and мило aren't pronounced the same | Jul 02 16:35 |
| scientes | yes I can get that from just reading | Jul 02 16:35 |
| scientes | which is cool | Jul 02 16:35 |
| XRevan86 | scientes: Cool indeed :) | Jul 02 16:36 |
| scientes | I've got an app that is just rembering words with only the cyrillic, 5 min per day | Jul 02 16:36 |
| scientes | and pictures | Jul 02 16:36 |
| XRevan86 | So my objection to stuff like "Lviv" instead of "Lvov" is that instead of making it less Greater Russian, the Ministry of Foreign Affairs of Ukrainian is just pushing Ukrainian grammar into English, which makes zero sense to me. | Jul 02 16:38 |
| XRevan86 | * of Ukraine | Jul 02 16:38 |
| scientes | looking that makes me choke | Jul 02 16:38 |
| XRevan86 | or Ukrainian grammar and pronunciation rather. | Jul 02 16:39 |
| XRevan86 | instead of word roots | Jul 02 16:39 |
| scientes | I tried the Duolingo for Russian, and there were practices like "This is Russia. This is Ukraine." granted I stopped that pretty quick | Jul 02 16:39 |
| XRevan86 | In my perspective the closest one can get to the word root for Kiev in English is… "Kyev" | Jul 02 16:41 |
| XRevan86 | but I also figure that the i/y distinction in English is sketchy at best | Jul 02 16:41 |
| scientes | <scientes> https:/imgur.com/a/pgTIWqS | Jul 02 16:42 |
| scientes | <scientes> ^fake cyrillic | Jul 02 16:42 |
| scientes | yeah in English it is generally pronounced with two syllables | Jul 02 16:42 |
| XRevan86 | (2019-07-02 04:28:59) MinceR: yausskaya | Jul 02 16:42 |
| XRevan86 | scientes: Well, it's supposed to be two syllables :) | Jul 02 16:43 |
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| scientes | lol if you write English keyboard layout duckduckgo figure it out https://duckduckgo.com/?q=%D0%BB%D1%88%D1%83%D0%BC&t=ffab&ia=web | Jul 02 16:44 |
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| XRevan86 | scientes: The difference between how Greater Russian pronounces Kiev and Ukrainian (and Old Russian notably) is that in Greater Russian it's Ки-, but in Ukrainian and historically it's Кы- | Jul 02 16:44 |
| scientes | ahh we use the Russian pronunciation | Jul 02 16:44 |
| XRevan86 | scientes: English is not palatalisation-aware, so duh :) | Jul 02 16:45 |
| scientes | I guess I've been picking up that piñata sound too | Jul 02 16:46 |
| *psydroid не живет в Украине, но в Голландии | Jul 02 16:47 | |
| XRevan86 | psydroid: И как там в Нидерландах сейчас? | Jul 02 16:48 |
| XRevan86 | scientes: Oh, almost forgot; in case you ever stumble across written Ukrainian, they use и for ы. | Jul 02 16:49 |
| scientes | I have seen it in the US | Jul 02 16:49 |
| scientes | government stuff will usually be translated into both Russian and Ukranian | Jul 02 16:49 |
| XRevan86 | scientes: o_0 | Jul 02 16:50 |
| scientes | when they have these massive pages full of a bunch of translations | Jul 02 16:50 |
| psydroid | XRevan86 Очень хорошо, я Голландец :) | Jul 02 16:50 |
| scientes | with the Hindi and Arabic and bunches of stuff | Jul 02 16:50 |
| scientes | but doing full translations is rare | Jul 02 16:50 |
| XRevan86 | psydroid: Намекаешь, что не будь ты голландцем, то было бы не очень хорошо? :) | Jul 02 16:51 |
| scientes | Granted, I've met Ukrainians in the US, but they always just know Russian | Jul 02 16:51 |
| scientes | (and very little English) | Jul 02 16:51 |
| XRevan86 | scientes: Even the younger generation knows Greater Russian, yes. | Jul 02 16:52 |
| scientes | an older babushka was given a job at the thrift store | Jul 02 16:52 |
| oiaohm | More and more the translations are just computer generated put luck I get in documentation. As it was written in Chinese or some other Asian Language then put though like google translate and then here this is good enough. | Jul 02 16:52 |
| oiaohm | put/pot | Jul 02 16:52 |
| scientes | as she had to be taught how do say basic things in English by the store (which is a bit of a charity thing, but I always loved them because they were the only organization you could trust to properly recycle electronics) | Jul 02 16:52 |
| oiaohm | How is it for those with imported stuff in Russia and those areas? | Jul 02 16:53 |
| XRevan86 | scientes: It's easy to pick up, so even mild exposure is enough to make it worth the effort. | Jul 02 16:53 |
| psydroid | XRevan86 Только хочу скажать, что не говорю очень хорошо по-русски или по-украински :) Как там в Украине? | Jul 02 16:54 |
| XRevan86 | scientes: Unlike, say, in Georgia, when the younger generation doesn't know Russian. | Jul 02 16:54 |
| scientes | or Azerbaijan | Jul 02 16:54 |
| scientes | I actually have a sort of co-worker from Azerbaijan, and he took time off to study for his TOEFL (don't really know him, but doing the same stuff) | Jul 02 16:55 |
| XRevan86 | psydroid: Вживую там не был никогда, но, по словам знакомых, там всё плоховато, но образуется постепенно. | Jul 02 16:55 |
| XRevan86 | psydroid: В России получше, но надежды на будущее у россиян уже не осталось. Идём на дно, что сказать. | Jul 02 16:56 |
| XRevan86 | scientes: Usually translations are fine, with some exceptions namely AliExpress | Jul 02 16:58 |
| XRevan86 | oops | Jul 02 16:58 |
| XRevan86 | oiaohm: | Jul 02 16:58 |
| scientes | Personally, I don't give a shit if its clear they are technically apt, like showing that they know a bunch of chemistry words | Jul 02 16:58 |
| scientes | depending on what it is | Jul 02 16:58 |
| XRevan86 | oiaohm: Stores also sell some imported stuff with no translations at all, just a sticker on top. I think they're going for prestige. | Jul 02 16:59 |
| scientes | so all English, even though it is made in China? | Jul 02 17:00 |
| XRevan86 | There's more trust in something that wasn't assembled locally. | Jul 02 17:00 |
| XRevan86 | scientes: I saw an Israeli shampoo | Jul 02 17:01 |
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| XRevan86 | it also has English, and ironically pretty bad one | Jul 02 17:01 |
| oiaohm | scientes: depends on the stuff. what I have with some china supplied stuff is they throw in what ever manual matches the country is going to. | Jul 02 17:01 |
| scientes | that hilarious. it is all just sodium laureate sulfate (the detergent) | Jul 02 17:01 |
| scientes | yeah Israel doesn't speak English anymore | Jul 02 17:02 |
| scientes | use to | Jul 02 17:02 |
| scientes | they are really isolated | Jul 02 17:02 |
| scientes | cause they don't speak Arabic either | Jul 02 17:02 |
| scientes | probably more Russian than those two | Jul 02 17:03 |
| XRevan86 | scientes: Doesn't matter. What kind of prestige is it if they cannot deliver on translations? | Jul 02 17:03 |
| oiaohm | So you get the horrible english translation here in Australia not the master Chinese/mandarin. Yes I have had horrible ones like "connect ass to back" in some of those stuffed up translations. | Jul 02 17:03 |
| scientes | yeah but the russians can't read that | Jul 02 17:03 |
| XRevan86 | but I guess it worked | Jul 02 17:03 |
| XRevan86 | oiaohm: This made me wonder about whether asses live in Australia. | Jul 02 17:04 |
| scientes | they do have 6-foot-tall chickens | Jul 02 17:04 |
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| scientes | *2-meter-tall | Jul 02 17:05 |
| XRevan86 | scientes: Very fast ones too. | Jul 02 17:05 |
| scientes | I've been switching to metric, and then when I talk to people from the US they get confused | Jul 02 17:05 |
| scientes | what a backwards place | Jul 02 17:05 |
| oiaohm | XRevan86: if you mean asses as in male donkeys we have them. | Jul 02 17:06 |
| scientes | I guess I still don't know how high I am | Jul 02 17:06 |
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| scientes | Or how much I weigh | Jul 02 17:06 |
| scientes | oiaohm, in Columbia (Cartegena) there are ass-pulled-carts that go down the city streets | Jul 02 17:06 |
| scientes | *Colombia | Jul 02 17:06 |
| XRevan86 | oiaohm: It took me a while, but I imagined a literal foot, multiplied it by six and figured what you're talking about. | Jul 02 17:07 |
| oiaohm | Australia we still use metric for most things but different areas of plumbing is better. | Jul 02 17:07 |
| oiaohm | in imperial. | Jul 02 17:07 |
| XRevan86 | oiaohm: Why male specifically? | Jul 02 17:07 |
| scientes | in Panama it was all imperial | Jul 02 17:07 |
| oiaohm | Its like 3/4 inch fittings is that 19mm or 20mm. | Jul 02 17:07 |
| scientes | XRevan86, because a female donkey is a jenny | Jul 02 17:08 |
| scientes | oiaohm, central america is also all imperial boating and plumbing | Jul 02 17:08 |
| scientes | but not Canada | Jul 02 17:09 |
| scientes | which means that canadian lumber is slightly smaller (because they use 2.5cm <=> inch, which it is actually 2.45) | Jul 02 17:09 |
| XRevan86 | scientes: I checked a dictionary, and it doesn't give any particular gender to "ass" | Jul 02 17:09 |
| scientes | a male ass is a jack | Jul 02 17:09 |
| scientes | and a young one a foal | Jul 02 17:10 |
| XRevan86 | Fun fact: ass and осёл are cognates. | Jul 02 17:10 |
| scientes | you might fall in love with a осёл | Jul 02 17:11 |
| XRevan86 | love is cruel | Jul 02 17:11 |
| scientes | but that is kinda backwards, because for a mule the donkey is male | Jul 02 17:11 |
| oiaohm | XRevan86: It was just male donkeys I was thinking of when I typed that sorry. I just had visted a Donkey sanctuary recently. So call the male a typo. | Jul 02 17:11 |
| XRevan86 | oiaohm: Unusual :) | Jul 02 17:12 |
| XRevan86 | anyway, yes, I spell ass and arse distinctly | Jul 02 17:13 |
| oiaohm | scientes: we have the fun here were one catalog of parts will have it as 19mm as 3/4 and another will have 20mm as 3/4 and then you will have ones with real 20mm and 19mm with different threading great fun. | Jul 02 17:13 |
| scientes | oh that is hell. At least in the US they are separate | Jul 02 17:14 |
| scientes | and if you buy it online you can get the employee to spend 30minutes picking out your 50c screw | Jul 02 17:14 |
| *XRevan86 doesn't see a reason to perpetuate yet another spelling collision. | Jul 02 17:14 | |
| scientes | very few people actually say arse | Jul 02 17:15 |
| XRevan86 | scientes: No problem for me as I speak English non-rhotically :P | Jul 02 17:17 |
| oiaohm | scientes: little more common in different areas of Australia particuarly usage is "up your arse" https://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=up%20your%20arse | Jul 02 17:17 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.urbandictionary.com | Urban Dictionary: up your arse | Jul 02 17:18 | |
| scientes | yeah I know that one | Jul 02 17:18 |
| scientes | just saying it isn't common | Jul 02 17:18 |
| scientes | it sounds british to me | Jul 02 17:19 |
| oiaohm | Different areas in Australia at different times you can be hear it almost daily. | Jul 02 17:19 |
| oiaohm | Yes it comes from the british and it still used a lot in different places. | Jul 02 17:19 |
| XRevan86 | The spelling "arse" is not solely British though, it is historically sound. | Jul 02 17:21 |
| XRevan86 | Unlike, say, "tyre" | Jul 02 17:21 |
| oiaohm | It kind of depends on where you are in Australia. http://ozwords.org/?p=4323 basically all the words on this site depending on where you are in Australia will be used to replace arse. | Jul 02 17:22 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-ozwords.org | Australian words for the backside: a light-hearted look | Ozwords | Jul 02 17:22 | |
| oiaohm | We have far too many words for backside. | Jul 02 17:22 |
| XRevan86 | https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:En-ca-arse.ogg | Jul 02 17:22 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-commons.wikimedia.org | File:En-ca-arse.ogg - Wikimedia Commons | Jul 02 17:22 | |
| XRevan86 | scientes: Turns out, Canadians apparently do | Jul 02 17:22 |
| scientes | yeah but the part of Canada I knew (Vancouver) speaks so much chinese these days | Jul 02 17:23 |
| scientes | but yeah that's because of the British influence | Jul 02 17:23 |
| XRevan86 | scientes: Or not enough Usonian influence | Jul 02 17:24 |
| scientes | heh, Usonian | Jul 02 17:24 |
| scientes | I kinda like that | Jul 02 17:24 |
| XRevan86 | saying and spelling arse as ass is a completely Usonian thing | Jul 02 17:24 |
| XRevan86 | scientes: And I didn't even make it up :) | Jul 02 17:25 |
| scientes | yeah I know, I've heard it before by Spanish-speakers that needed something | Jul 02 17:25 |
| scientes | I think it is used in Mexico | Jul 02 17:25 |
| oiaohm | XRevan86: Yes Canadians are party link to Australian usage still being alive of the word arse. Bushfire season out here some of them come to Australia and in their fireseason some of the Australian firefighters got here. | Jul 02 17:26 |
| scientes | I mean I've seen stuff that said "The United States of Mexico" (in spanish) | Jul 02 17:26 |
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| scientes | Estados Unidos de Mexico | Jul 02 17:26 |
| oiaohm | got here/go there. Space in wrong place. | Jul 02 17:26 |
| XRevan86 | scientes: I thought Mexico is a unitary state | Jul 02 17:26 |
| scientes | this is a long time ago | Jul 02 17:26 |
| scientes | it was in a museum in Bogota | Jul 02 17:27 |
| XRevan86 | nope, it is not! | Jul 02 17:27 |
| XRevan86 | Mexico is a federation | Jul 02 17:27 |
| XRevan86 | Officially the United Mexican States | Jul 02 17:27 |
| scientes | Deutschland is a good example of a unitary state | Jul 02 17:27 |
| XRevan86 | scientes: The Federated Republic of Germany, you mean? :) | Jul 02 17:28 |
| scientes | god damn it | Jul 02 17:28 |
| scientes | but they only have federal taxes | Jul 02 17:28 |
| scientes | so it is quite unitary | Jul 02 17:28 |
| scientes | But historically very federated | Jul 02 17:29 |
| scientes | the Holy Roman Empire was barely held together | Jul 02 17:29 |
| XRevan86 | FRG, DDR | Jul 02 17:29 |
| scientes | Yeah i've only seen DDR, even in English | Jul 02 17:29 |
| XRevan86 | or rather GDR | Jul 02 17:29 |
| scientes | yeah i've seen that | Jul 02 17:29 |
| scientes | why do they have so many friggen names? | Jul 02 17:30 |
| scientes | Germany, Deutschland, Alaman | Jul 02 17:30 |
| scientes | Alamania | Jul 02 17:30 |
| XRevan86 | scientes: I guess the English-speaking world picked a favourite and called it just Germany :) | Jul 02 17:30 |
| scientes | all totally different | Jul 02 17:30 |
| XRevan86 | scientes: Haven't heard about Alamania | Jul 02 17:30 |
| scientes | that is spanish | Jul 02 17:31 |
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| XRevan86 | scientes: "Deutschland" is just the land of the people | Jul 02 17:31 |
| XRevan86 | and "Germany" comes from the name of the historic tribe | Jul 02 17:31 |
| scientes | Volkswagon | Jul 02 17:31 |
| XRevan86 | scientes: It puzzles me that English say it with a "V" | Jul 02 17:31 |
| XRevan86 | not obvious enough that it's a Folks wagon? %) | Jul 02 17:32 |
| scientes | well that is the german pronunciation | Jul 02 17:32 |
| XRevan86 | scientes: Germans say it with an F too | Jul 02 17:32 |
| XRevan86 | "V" is a funny letter in German | Jul 02 17:32 |
| scientes | yeah but it is differn't | Jul 02 17:32 |
| scientes | as you say | Jul 02 17:32 |
| scientes | "folks" is a stereotypically english-pronounciation thing | Jul 02 17:33 |
| XRevan86 | spelt differently, pronounced the same | Jul 02 17:33 |
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| XRevan86 | except that in German l's are all slender | Jul 02 17:33 |
| XRevan86 | Фолк, Фольк | Jul 02 17:33 |
| XRevan86 | and English tends to turn "o" into "ow" | Jul 02 17:35 |
| scientes | you mean like Faukland? | Jul 02 17:35 |
| scientes | Faulkland? | Jul 02 17:35 |
| XRevan86 | scientes: Two pronunciation differences, none are related to F/V | Jul 02 17:35 |
| scientes | well isn't the german F similar to the Russian B? | Jul 02 17:36 |
| XRevan86 | scientes: You mean, V? | Jul 02 17:36 |
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| scientes | в | Jul 02 17:36 |
| scientes | but i was too lazy to switch my keyboard layout | Jul 02 17:37 |
| XRevan86 | Both F and V in German sound like В in Cyrillic | Jul 02 17:37 |
| XRevan86 | oops | Jul 02 17:37 |
| XRevan86 | like Ф | Jul 02 17:37 |
| scientes | вы | Jul 02 17:37 |
| scientes | the german v also has alot of breath | Jul 02 17:37 |
| XRevan86 | but I said that V is funny in German, because sometimes it does sound like в | Jul 02 17:37 |
| scientes | yeah that is what I was trying to say | Jul 02 17:38 |
| XRevan86 | but not in Volk | Jul 02 17:38 |
| XRevan86 | Like in "Viktor" | Jul 02 17:38 |
| scientes | well, in the ads for volkswagons where they are making fun of german, they pronounce it that way | Jul 02 17:39 |
| XRevan86 | German "Vase" – Vaza | Jul 02 17:39 |
| scientes | which is a cognate to Russian | Jul 02 17:40 |
| scientes | and English | Jul 02 17:40 |
| XRevan86 | I don't know, here when they do, they say it like expected: Фольксвагн | Jul 02 17:40 |
| XRevan86 | not Вольксвагн | Jul 02 17:41 |
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| scientes | https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pWMpHc77qNI | Jul 02 17:42 |
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| XRevan86 | scientes: Um, I heard that they turn ŭ into v | Jul 02 17:44 |
| XRevan86 | scientes: That makes sense, German doesn't have that sound, neither does Greater Russian. | Jul 02 17:44 |
| scientes | Which sound? | Jul 02 17:44 |
| XRevan86 | scientes: like in "wine" | Jul 02 17:45 |
| XRevan86 | ŭajn | Jul 02 17:45 |
| scientes | there are low British english accents that omit all the t sounds | Jul 02 17:45 |
| scientes | but they do have w in wine | Jul 02 17:45 |
| XRevan86 | scientes: I heard it in Doctor Who | Jul 02 17:46 |
| XRevan86 | scientes: I hated that. | Jul 02 17:46 |
| XRevan86 | can they at least stop using the word "can't"? | Jul 02 17:46 |
| scientes | I met someone from there and I couldn't understand him | Jul 02 17:46 |
| scientes | I mean this guy comes from English, and I can't understand his English | Jul 02 17:46 |
| scientes | *England | Jul 02 17:46 |
| XRevan86 | can't without "t" is just "can" | Jul 02 17:47 |
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| scientes | and English doesn't do double re-affirming negative either, so negatives are really important | Jul 02 17:47 |
| XRevan86 | with "cannot" sounding like "canoe" I can live with | Jul 02 17:47 |
| scientes | if you miss a negative you get a totally wrong message | Jul 02 17:48 |
| XRevan86 | scientes: Exactly. | Jul 02 17:48 |
| XRevan86 | And I have :). | Jul 02 17:48 |
| scientes | English even has some double negatives that are commonly used | Jul 02 17:49 |
| scientes | and those get real confusing | Jul 02 17:49 |
| scientes | Like "Do you mind?" | Jul 02 17:49 |
| XRevan86 | scientes: Where's a negative in "Do you mind?" | Jul 02 17:49 |
| XRevan86 | except t a negative attitude :) | Jul 02 17:50 |
| scientes | because if you say "no" that means its fine | Jul 02 17:50 |
| scientes | and "yes" means no | Jul 02 17:50 |
| scientes | so people usually have to say "Yes, I mind." to clear up the confusion | Jul 02 17:50 |
| XRevan86 | I understand "yes, I mind" as "yes, I have a problem with that" | Jul 02 17:51 |
| XRevan86 | and same with the answer "yes" | Jul 02 17:51 |
| scientes | Something like "Is that not OK?" | Jul 02 17:51 |
| scientes | that is common | Jul 02 17:52 |
| XRevan86 | scientes: "yes, that is not OK" | Jul 02 17:52 |
| XRevan86 | seems reasonable | Jul 02 17:52 |
| scientes | I cannot go nowhere tonight. | Jul 02 17:53 |
| XRevan86 | scientes: I would not consider that proper English. | Jul 02 17:53 |
| scientes | I cannot not do anything tonight | Jul 02 17:53 |
| scientes | that would be more common | Jul 02 17:53 |
| scientes | *cannot do nothing | Jul 02 17:54 |
| scientes | even I screwed it up | Jul 02 17:54 |
| scientes | "cannot do nothing" is actually used | Jul 02 17:54 |
| XRevan86 | scientes: Does it mean that you must do something tonight? | Jul 02 17:54 |
| scientes | to mean "must do something", but with the emphasis of how porely I would think of myself if I didn't do anything. | Jul 02 17:54 |
| XRevan86 | scientes: It's not a double negative if the second negative flips the meaning back. | Jul 02 17:55 |
| scientes | well its English, where double negatives cancel each other out | Jul 02 17:55 |
| scientes | but only sometimes, its kinda tricky | Jul 02 17:55 |
| XRevan86 | scientes: There are dialects that have actual double negatives. | Jul 02 17:56 |
| XRevan86 | I guess the trick is knowing which one's which. | Jul 02 17:56 |
| scientes | only the low Ebonbics | Jul 02 17:56 |
| scientes | but also in proper English, the two negatives might apply to differn't nouns, in which case they don't cancel each other out | Jul 02 17:57 |
| XRevan86 | scientes: Those Volkswagen ads are obnoxious | Jul 02 17:58 |
| scientes | yeah they are | Jul 02 17:58 |
| scientes | they also destroy a car for the sport of it | Jul 02 17:58 |
| XRevan86 | So what I meant is that English often say "Volks" in "Volkswagen" like "volks" would be in English. | Jul 02 17:59 |
| XRevan86 | instead of "folks" | Jul 02 17:59 |
| scientes | yeah you are right | Jul 02 17:59 |
| scientes | its because they don't get the meaning | Jul 02 17:59 |
| scientes | so they just pronounce it as they see it | Jul 02 17:59 |
| *XRevan86 wonders if there's someone who says "von" like "von" | Jul 02 17:59 | |
| scientes | Kurt Vonnegut | Jul 02 18:00 |
| XRevan86 | scientes: Hence my point :) | Jul 02 18:00 |
| XRevan86 | scientes: And the meaning is not even hard to guess. | Jul 02 18:00 |
| XRevan86 | Both words exist in English, with only a single-letter difference | Jul 02 18:00 |
| scientes | wagon | Jul 02 18:01 |
| XRevan86 | Folkswagon, yes. | Jul 02 18:01 |
| scientes | you would be amazed at how little people think in the US :) | Jul 02 18:03 |
| scientes | if you pronounce the spanish streets in San Francisco the spanish way people correct you | Jul 02 18:04 |
| scientes | or they don't know what you are talking about | Jul 02 18:04 |
| XRevan86 | scientes: An example? :) | Jul 02 18:05 |
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| scientes | there is a also a Van Ness Ave | Jul 02 18:07 |
| scientes | and you have to anglify that one too | Jul 02 18:07 |
| scientes | like Caeser Chavez street | Jul 02 18:08 |
| XRevan86 | "Caeser" like… Sizar? | Jul 02 18:10 |
| scientes | yes | Jul 02 18:10 |
| XRevan86 | scientes: Well, it makes sense. | Jul 02 18:10 |
| XRevan86 | just normal appropriation | Jul 02 18:10 |
| XRevan86 | With mispronouncing "Volkswagen" it's instead just inventing a new kind of pronunciation because of zero knowledge. | Jul 02 18:11 |
| scientes | yes | Jul 02 18:11 |
| XRevan86 | Not an English way, not a German way, just a grammar misunderstanding way. | Jul 02 18:12 |
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| scientes | I can't even figure out how to write the anglified Chavez | Jul 02 18:19 |
| scientes | which isn't sh, or the hebrew ch | Jul 02 18:19 |
| scientes | more like chew | Jul 02 18:19 |
| XRevan86 | scientes: "sh" is the closest | Jul 02 18:20 |
| scientes | but sh lacks a sound that chew has | Jul 02 18:20 |
| scientes | with chew you touch your toung to the teeth | Jul 02 18:21 |
| scientes | and in sh you don't | Jul 02 18:21 |
| XRevan86 | ah, it's ˈt͡ʃ | Jul 02 18:22 |
| XRevan86 | I thought that maybe there's a trick :) | Jul 02 18:22 |
| XRevan86 | scientes: What's the difference then? | Jul 02 18:23 |
| scientes | when you say shit you toungue is in the back of the mouth | Jul 02 18:23 |
| scientes | but with chew it comes forward to make the initial sound, which is different | Jul 02 18:23 |
| XRevan86 | scientes: The difference with the most common sound assigned to the digraph "ch" | Jul 02 18:23 |
| scientes | and in the hewbrew chabad the mouth is open | Jul 02 18:24 |
| scientes | and the sound comes from the back of the throat | Jul 02 18:24 |
| XRevan86 | Cha(v|b)esh | Jul 02 18:24 |
| XRevan86 | scientes: Do you have an audiofile? | Jul 02 18:25 |
| MinceR | 02 174431 <+XRevan86> scientes: The difference between how Greater Russian pronounces Kiev and Ukrainian (and Old Russian notably) is that in Greater Russian | Jul 02 18:25 |
| MinceR | i thought it was "Kyiv" in ukrainian... | Jul 02 18:25 |
| XRevan86 | scientes: I know little about how Spanish pronunciation works. | Jul 02 18:25 |
| scientes | hmm actually google translate says chavez is the same | Jul 02 18:25 |
| scientes | and it is probably right | Jul 02 18:25 |
| scientes | oh its just the stress | Jul 02 18:26 |
| scientes | and stresses are important in english so i confused it with the sounds | Jul 02 18:26 |
| XRevan86 | MinceR: That's the whole point. It is historically Kyjev. Both Greater Russian and Ukrainian have a pronunciation shift from an unstressed "e" to "i" | Jul 02 18:26 |
| scientes | in English the first syllable is stressed | Jul 02 18:26 |
| XRevan86 | MinceR: But Greater Russian also moved from a broad K to a slender one | Jul 02 18:26 |
| MinceR | ic | Jul 02 18:26 |
| XRevan86 | MinceR: So but the je → ji change is not reflected in Greater Russian spelling | Jul 02 18:27 |
| XRevan86 | MinceR: What's notable is that because Slavic languages are highly inflective, it is possible to get an unstressed vowel to be stressed a lot of times. | Jul 02 18:27 |
| scientes | google translate says the Russians also cannot pronounce Сезар | Jul 02 18:28 |
| XRevan86 | Kyjev in Ukrainian is no different. | Jul 02 18:28 |
| scientes | the the romans certainly could, or they wouldn't have had a symbol just for it | Jul 02 18:28 |
| XRevan86 | MinceR: "Ja byw w Kyjevi, ale teper ja u Lvovi" | Jul 02 18:29 |
| XRevan86 | scientes: What do you mean? | Jul 02 18:29 |
| MinceR | that would be either Saesar or Цезар | Jul 02 18:29 |
| scientes | oh then google translate must be wrong | Jul 02 18:30 |
| XRevan86 | The word used in Russian is "Цезарь" | Jul 02 18:30 |
| scientes | so its missing that there are two vowels there | Jul 02 18:30 |
| XRevan86 | Sometimes, when trying to reflect original Latin, "Кесарь" | Jul 02 18:30 |
| scientes | its Æ | Jul 02 18:30 |
| scientes | CÆSER | Jul 02 18:30 |
| MinceR | :) | Jul 02 18:31 |
| XRevan86 | scientes: Could say it, but for some reason don't. | Jul 02 18:31 |
| scientes | which we have in English as Kaiser | Jul 02 18:31 |
| scientes | but then the vowels are wrong again... | Jul 02 18:31 |
| XRevan86 | https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/2/27/La-cls-Caesar.ogg | Jul 02 18:31 |
| XRevan86 | So it sounds like "Kaisar" | Jul 02 18:32 |
| XRevan86 | I guess unstressed e's turn into i's | Jul 02 18:32 |
| XRevan86 | where did I see that before… | Jul 02 18:32 |
| XRevan86 | I guess it's a more common pronunciation thing than I thought :). | Jul 02 18:33 |
| XRevan86 | So yeah, that's pretty much why it's "Київ" and not "Києв" | Jul 02 18:34 |
| XRevan86 | unstressed | Jul 02 18:35 |
| XRevan86 | and phonetic | Jul 02 18:35 |
| XRevan86 | With Lvov the situation is close but different, "o" turns into "i" under some circumstances in Ukrainian. | Jul 02 18:38 |
| scientes | > Lvov | Jul 02 18:39 |
| XRevan86 | and the nominative case of Lvov is affected | Jul 02 18:39 |
| scientes | when i try to pronounce that without knowing what it sounds like I choke on my toungue | Jul 02 18:39 |
| XRevan86 | the L is slender, like in German or French, yes | Jul 02 18:39 |
| MinceR | apparently 'ae' is correct too | Jul 02 18:39 |
| MinceR | https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Latin_spelling_and_pronunciation#Letters_and_phonemes | Jul 02 18:39 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-en.wikipedia.org | Latin spelling and pronunciation - Wikipedia | Jul 02 18:39 | |
| XRevan86 | a year – rik, five years – p'yat' rokiw | Jul 02 18:40 |
| XRevan86 | ^ same with the word "rok" | Jul 02 18:40 |
| MinceR | wrong fragment | Jul 02 18:41 |
| MinceR | better one >> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Latin_spelling_and_pronunciation#Loan_words_and_formal_study | Jul 02 18:41 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-en.wikipedia.org | Latin spelling and pronunciation - Wikipedia | Jul 02 18:41 | |
| MinceR | or whatever | Jul 02 18:41 |
| MinceR | it's a pain to search for æ in crashium | Jul 02 18:41 |
| XRevan86 | > with little to mark them as foreign | Jul 02 18:42 |
| XRevan86 | I don't always get when I hear "pie" that it could mean π | Jul 02 18:42 |
| MinceR | :) | Jul 02 18:43 |
| MinceR | i guess it got vowel shifted | Jul 02 18:43 |
| scientes | what is it called in russian? | Jul 02 18:43 |
| scientes | π | Jul 02 18:43 |
| scientes | and e | Jul 02 18:43 |
| scientes | but its greek | Jul 02 18:43 |
| scientes | so its pi | Jul 02 18:43 |
| XRevan86 | scientes: пи, эпсилон | Jul 02 18:43 |
| MinceR | http://www.doesnotplaywellwithothers.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/07/pwc-0415.png | Jul 02 18:43 |
| scientes | like English, they have names for their characters | Jul 02 18:43 |
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| scientes | i think the russian thing of just having sounds is way better | Jul 02 18:44 |
| XRevan86 | scientes: az, buka, vedi :D | Jul 02 18:44 |
| scientes | yeah but the stress is on the sounds | Jul 02 18:44 |
| scientes | not the names | Jul 02 18:44 |
| XRevan86 | * buki | Jul 02 18:44 |
| scientes | пи, эпсилон | Jul 02 18:44 |
| scientes | yeah that is just greek | Jul 02 18:44 |
| XRevan86 | scientes: Indeed, I even made a mistake %) | Jul 02 18:44 |
| scientes | e is usually shorted in english | Jul 02 18:44 |
| scientes | to the english name of the letter | Jul 02 18:45 |
| XRevan86 | scientes: But English doesn't have names for letters either, except "z" | Jul 02 18:45 |
| scientes | пи is interesting because that is the same as the cyrillic character | Jul 02 18:45 |
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| MinceR | and even that is dropped in some varieties/dialects :> | Jul 02 18:45 |
| XRevan86 | ej, bi, si, di, i, ef, dzhi, heych, aj… | Jul 02 18:46 |
| scientes | XRevan86, but it very much does, you have to learn the alphabet sound in order to use a dictionary or even memorize byzantize spellings | Jul 02 18:46 |
| MinceR | aytch is a name too | Jul 02 18:46 |
| XRevan86 | scientes: Most Cyrillic letters are. | Jul 02 18:46 |
| XRevan86 | As Cyrillic is a simplified adaptation of Byzantine Greek. | Jul 02 18:47 |
| scientes | well yeah it was easy for me to learn ф because i was so familiar with the greek | Jul 02 18:47 |
| scientes | even if it has a differn't sound.... | Jul 02 18:47 |
| MinceR | isn't it the same in modern greek? | Jul 02 18:47 |
| XRevan86 | А, В, Г, Д, Е, З, И, К, Л, М, Н, О, П, Р, С, Т, У, Ф, Х | Jul 02 18:47 |
| scientes | yeah, buts its name is theta | Jul 02 18:47 |
| MinceR | theta is a different letter | Jul 02 18:48 |
| XRevan86 | MinceR: Yes. The emphasis is on not being Ancient Greek | Jul 02 18:48 |
| scientes | oh, my bad, its phi | Jul 02 18:48 |
| MinceR | θ | Jul 02 18:48 |
| scientes | but that is differn't oo | Jul 02 18:48 |
| scientes | which one is it | Jul 02 18:48 |
| XRevan86 | (Д, Е, И, Л, Н got farther from Greek in time) | Jul 02 18:48 |
| MinceR | phi is φ or ϕ | Jul 02 18:48 |
| scientes | oh, capital phi | Jul 02 18:49 |
| scientes | but math almost always uses lower case phi | Jul 02 18:49 |
| MinceR | funny how theta started out as just 't' and 'h' and then turned into the 'th' like in english | Jul 02 18:49 |
| XRevan86 | Д, Л got fancy, E got latinised, И tilted a stroke, Н untilted a stroke | Jul 02 18:49 |
| scientes | and "th" in English is sound few languages have | Jul 02 18:49 |
| XRevan86 | scientes: Funny that θ in Ancient Greek doesn't sound like English "th" | Jul 02 18:50 |
| scientes | we even have a sound for it "All I want for Christmas is my two front teeth." | Jul 02 18:50 |
| scientes | *song | Jul 02 18:50 |
| XRevan86 | and "th" is a Latin approximation of the Ancient Greek sound | Jul 02 18:50 |
| MinceR | :) | Jul 02 18:51 |
| XRevan86 | the digraph itself | Jul 02 18:51 |
| XRevan86 | It's interesting that this digraph in English is a relatively late addition. | Jul 02 18:51 |
| MinceR | was it þ before? | Jul 02 18:51 |
| XRevan86 | influenced by QWERTY no less | Jul 02 18:51 |
| MinceR | huh? | Jul 02 18:51 |
| XRevan86 | MinceR: yes | Jul 02 18:51 |
| MinceR | strange how things are ordered in time | Jul 02 18:52 |
| scientes | but it is very much liked because th is one of the few things in English where you always know what sound it will make | Jul 02 18:52 |
| scientes | although there are sure to be at least one exception | Jul 02 18:52 |
| XRevan86 | then they tried going with "y", but I guess that sucked | Jul 02 18:52 |
| MinceR | 'th' in english can be voiced or unvoiced | Jul 02 18:52 |
| MinceR | (ð or þ, i guess :> ) | Jul 02 18:52 |
| XRevan86 | Did Middle English use ð? | Jul 02 18:53 |
| MinceR | not sure | Jul 02 18:53 |
| MinceR | yes | Jul 02 18:53 |
| XRevan86 | MinceR: Funny that in Old English both ð and þ could be voiced or unvoiced | Jul 02 18:53 |
| MinceR | and icelandic still does :> | Jul 02 18:53 |
| MinceR | lol | Jul 02 18:53 |
| scientes | yes icelandic is the only language to voice those now | Jul 02 18:53 |
| scientes | can't image speaking english that way | Jul 02 18:54 |
| XRevan86 | I am not sure why they had two separate letters and didn't separate them with voiceness. | Jul 02 18:54 |
| scientes | also with far more anglo words, and very little french | Jul 02 18:54 |
| XRevan86 | scientes: "this" – voiced | Jul 02 18:54 |
| scientes | that--unvoiced | Jul 02 18:54 |
| XRevan86 | scientes: nope, still voiced | Jul 02 18:54 |
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| scientes | what is an unvoiced example? | Jul 02 18:55 |
| scientes | thain | Jul 02 18:56 |
| MinceR | earth | Jul 02 18:56 |
| MinceR | thick | Jul 02 18:56 |
| scientes | thick is voiced for me | Jul 02 18:56 |
| MinceR | strange | Jul 02 18:57 |
| XRevan86 | scientes: "thought" | Jul 02 18:57 |
| scientes | ahh yeah thought | Jul 02 18:57 |
| XRevan86 | scientes: thick voiced!? | Jul 02 18:57 |
| XRevan86 | scientes: like "vick"? | Jul 02 18:57 |
| scientes | oh, i'm confusing with the vibration of the toungue | Jul 02 18:57 |
| scientes | i seem to hold the th of thick longer than with thought | Jul 02 18:58 |
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| scientes | with more vibration in the toungue | Jul 02 18:58 |
| scientes | more air | Jul 02 18:58 |
| scientes | the toungue is farther forward | Jul 02 18:59 |
| scientes | it goes past the teeth, unlike thought | Jul 02 18:59 |
| XRevan86 | scientes: I don't think that has any phonetic value | Jul 02 18:59 |
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| scientes | that it goes past the teeth | Jul 02 18:59 |
| scientes | but this it doesn't | Jul 02 18:59 |
| XRevan86 | i.e. not easy to hear | Jul 02 19:00 |
| scientes | so I was describing something, just not voiced | Jul 02 19:00 |
| scientes | only if you are not a native speaker :) | Jul 02 19:00 |
| scientes | the past the teeth sound is an English thing I hear | Jul 02 19:00 |
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| XRevan86 | scientes: Considering how a lot of English dialects don't even have that sound, I bet to differ :P | Jul 02 19:00 |
| XRevan86 | * beg | Jul 02 19:00 |
| scientes | hmm, what regions use that sound? | Jul 02 19:01 |
| XRevan86 | scientes: I mean, if you've produced the "th" sound, all I care about is whether it is voiced or not. | Jul 02 19:01 |
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| scientes | cause there is the th of teeth where the toungue is past the teeth, and this or thought, where it is not | Jul 02 19:01 |
| XRevan86 | not just how much you've sticked your tongue out or how well vibrated it was (: | Jul 02 19:01 |
| scientes | i guess its more that you force air past the tongue while the toungue is there | Jul 02 19:02 |
| XRevan86 | scientes: I think it is because the "o" helps producing the sound successfully with less effort. | Jul 02 19:02 |
| scientes | not really vibration | Jul 02 19:02 |
| scientes | like with thought | Jul 02 19:02 |
| XRevan86 | When I try to say "teeth" without sticking my tongue out, I get something closer to "tees" | Jul 02 19:03 |
| XRevan86 | whilst with "thought" that doesn't happen | Jul 02 19:03 |
| scientes | you can also say teethed without sticking the tongue out | Jul 02 19:03 |
| scientes | see google has the tongue past the teeth sound https://translate.google.com/#view=home&op=translate&sl=en&tl=ru&text=thourough | Jul 02 19:04 |
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| XRevan86 | TIL teeth | Jul 02 19:04 |
| XRevan86 | * teethe | Jul 02 19:04 |
| scientes | yes teethe | Jul 02 19:05 |
| scientes | as in "he's teething" | Jul 02 19:05 |
| XRevan86 | scientes: Is the misspell intentional? | Jul 02 19:05 |
| XRevan86 | > thourough | Jul 02 19:05 |
| XRevan86 | art thou rough? | Jul 02 19:06 |
| scientes | teethed would mean no longer teethes | Jul 02 19:06 |
| XRevan86 | > as in "he's teething" | Jul 02 19:06 |
| XRevan86 | TIL | Jul 02 19:06 |
| scientes | finished | Jul 02 19:06 |
| scientes | babies | Jul 02 19:06 |
| scientes | when they chew on everything | Jul 02 19:06 |
| scientes | oh thorough is just a really hard word to spell | Jul 02 19:06 |
| XRevan86 | scientes: For some reason baby vocabulary eluded me (: | Jul 02 19:06 |
| XRevan86 | "teethed" is a hard word for me to pronounce. | Jul 02 19:07 |
| XRevan86 | the combination of th and d | Jul 02 19:07 |
| scientes | well i just got it from weaned, i don't think i've actually heard it | Jul 02 19:08 |
| XRevan86 | I have to get the tongue out, but then quickly retract it | Jul 02 19:08 |
| scientes | it actually doesn't go past the teeth | Jul 02 19:08 |
| scientes | which is why i mentioned it | Jul 02 19:08 |
| scientes | you just smash it up against the front of the roof | Jul 02 19:08 |
| XRevan86 | scientes: I figured, but I can't do that without butching the sound… | Jul 02 19:09 |
| scientes | the toungue also spreads wide so that sound is sort of there | Jul 02 19:10 |
| scientes | to block the air | Jul 02 19:10 |
| XRevan86 | hm, google translate pronounces it kinda crappy too | Jul 02 19:11 |
| XRevan86 | maybe I'm just thinking about it too much | Jul 02 19:11 |
| scientes | yeah thats correct | Jul 02 19:11 |
| scientes | its very similar to "teased" | Jul 02 19:12 |
| XRevan86 | scientes: yea, I try to avoid that, suffering in the process | Jul 02 19:12 |
| scientes | XRevan86, you should check out unspell.blogspot.com | Jul 02 19:14 |
| scientes | if people read that they would know what voiced means | Jul 02 19:14 |
| scientes | because the voiced and unvoiced symbols are all related | Jul 02 19:14 |
| XRevan86 | scientes: Um, I know what that means from school :P | Jul 02 19:15 |
| XRevan86 | p/b, k/g, t/d, etc. | Jul 02 19:16 |
| XRevan86 | sh (posh), zh (deluge) | Jul 02 19:17 |
| XRevan86 | ch (chop) / ~g? (gel) | Jul 02 19:18 |
| scientes | see, Russians do have interesting school | Jul 02 19:18 |
| scientes | stuff like that would be attacked as nerdy in the US | Jul 02 19:19 |
| scientes | and shunned | Jul 02 19:19 |
| scientes | which is of course stupid | Jul 02 19:19 |
| XRevan86 | elementary school %) | Jul 02 19:19 |
| scientes | but there is a strong anti-intellectual thing in the US | Jul 02 19:19 |
| scientes | unless it makes money it is shunned, and even then they want the money. its kinda fascist come to think of it | Jul 02 19:19 |
| XRevan86 | Except centred around Russian, of course. | Jul 02 19:19 |
| XRevan86 | scientes: In Russian it makes more sense, since it helps with understanding the alphabet. | Jul 02 19:20 |
| XRevan86 | the English alphabet is more fuzzy, so categorising it with voiceness makes less sense | Jul 02 19:20 |
| XRevan86 | since categorising it in general makes less sense | Jul 02 19:21 |
| scientes | yes, they use to try | Jul 02 19:21 |
| scientes | and then they gave up | Jul 02 19:21 |
| scientes | but I did start with phonetic | Jul 02 19:21 |
| scientes | (which is not universal) | Jul 02 19:21 |
| scientes | in 2nd grade | Jul 02 19:21 |
| XRevan86 | а/я, у/ю – even vowels can be paired | Jul 02 19:21 |
| scientes | but by 3rd grade English school kids are spending inordinate amounts of time trying to memorize spellings | Jul 02 19:21 |
| scientes | its a huge brain drain | Jul 02 19:22 |
| XRevan86 | so pairing is a convinient way to teach the Russian alphabet | Jul 02 19:22 |
| scientes | and I feel its why they hate school so much | Jul 02 19:22 |
| scientes | its literally "memorize these 26 characters", then "memorize which of the 26 characters, for each character, for each word" | Jul 02 19:23 |
| scientes | and you start walking around repeating spellings to yourself | Jul 02 19:23 |
| XRevan86 | scientes: Proper grammar of Russian is pretty darn complicated too. | Jul 02 19:23 |
| XRevan86 | The difference is that English doesn't have rules, and Russian has a million rules covering everything. | Jul 02 19:23 |
| scientes | i remember doing it, and I am a huge proponent of Unspell | Jul 02 19:23 |
| scientes | XRevan86, yes i've heard all the weird context rules | Jul 02 19:23 |
| scientes | english grammer is quite simple | Jul 02 19:23 |
| scientes | there are only a few slightly special things like neigher/nor | Jul 02 19:24 |
| scientes | *neither | Jul 02 19:24 |
| scientes | but they are not hard | Jul 02 19:24 |
| XRevan86 | scientes: The single spelling rule of English: each word has a spelling. | Jul 02 19:24 |
| scientes | and The Art of Computer Programming actually analyzes login in English | Jul 02 19:24 |
| XRevan86 | sometimes several spellings | Jul 02 19:24 |
| scientes | XRevan86, yes Unspell should be adopted, but the grammer is not difficult | Jul 02 19:24 |
| XRevan86 | memorise them | Jul 02 19:24 |
| scientes | but yes I remember how much of a drain it was on my childhood | Jul 02 19:25 |
| scientes | and children should not be troubled with that abuse | Jul 02 19:25 |
| scientes | the Mormons tried | Jul 02 19:25 |
| scientes | as their holy book is written in English | Jul 02 19:25 |
| XRevan86 | I've heard that English has some rules regarding commas, but I am yet to see those being enforced. | Jul 02 19:26 |
| XRevan86 | And even if so, I could count them on my hands. | Jul 02 19:26 |
| scientes | The Art of Computer Programming has a disclaimer that those rules should be ignored | Jul 02 19:26 |
| XRevan86 | Russian takes commas very seriously. | Jul 02 19:26 |
| scientes | there are rules, but they contradict themselves, the only rule that sticks is lists | Jul 02 19:26 |
| scientes | but even then the last comma is optional | Jul 02 19:27 |
| XRevan86 | Proper Russian sentences on average have two or three commas. | Jul 02 19:27 |
| scientes | MLA vs Oxford | Jul 02 19:27 |
| scientes | but nobody really gives a shit | Jul 02 19:27 |
| scientes | even Wikipedia can't nazi people about this successfully | Jul 02 19:27 |
| scientes | the only rules I follow on punctuation in English is the poetry rules---differn't symbols have differen't lengths of pauses | Jul 02 19:28 |
| scientes | also Microsoft Word managed to get people to only use periods for sentences (and I got it from that) | Jul 02 19:28 |
| XRevan86 | I've imported some Russian rules of punctuation into English, but I don't use them consistently either %). | Jul 02 19:28 |
| scientes | but if you transcribe spoken English it is of course going to be very differn't | Jul 02 19:28 |
| scientes | with lots of ..... | Jul 02 19:28 |
| scientes | and incomplete sentences | Jul 02 19:28 |
| scientes | I kinda like the small amoutns of russian punctuation i've seen with -- | Jul 02 19:29 |
| XRevan86 | scientes: :) | Jul 02 19:30 |
| scientes | its pleasing to an engineer mindset | Jul 02 19:30 |
| scientes | to omit all the glue words | Jul 02 19:31 |
| XRevan86 | I sometimes overuse it, even when I'm supposed to use ":" | Jul 02 19:31 |
| scientes | Oh yeah I can use : in English, but few do | Jul 02 19:32 |
| scientes | I also like using -- | Jul 02 19:32 |
| scientes | em dash | Jul 02 19:32 |
| XRevan86 | If one has Compose, why not :) | Jul 02 19:32 |
| scientes | hi--hi will convert in most editors | Jul 02 19:32 |
| scientes | but sometimes i find myself googleing em dash | Jul 02 19:33 |
| XRevan86 | except that I use an en dash | Jul 02 19:33 |
| scientes | yeah but that is reserved for other uses in ENglish | Jul 02 19:33 |
| XRevan86 | the em dash is a bit too long for my taste | Jul 02 19:33 |
| scientes | so it really isn't correct | Jul 02 19:33 |
| MinceR | TeX converts -- and ---, that's enough for me | Jul 02 19:34 |
| XRevan86 | Russian only has two kinds – diefis (hyphen) and tiret (dash) | Jul 02 19:34 |
| XRevan86 | дефис, тире | Jul 02 19:34 |
| scientes | same in English | Jul 02 19:36 |
| XRevan86 | And tiret in writing is not that long, so "—" just looks way too long for me. | Jul 02 19:36 |
| scientes | so whats the difference? | Jul 02 19:37 |
| XRevan86 | and "-" is way too short | Jul 02 19:37 |
| scientes | cause an en dash and a hyphen are basically the same thing | Jul 02 19:37 |
| scientes | although granted I am using a monospace font here, so em dashes are shorter | Jul 02 19:37 |
| scientes | but i know what you mean | Jul 02 19:37 |
| XRevan86 | "по-немецки" – diefis is supposed to be short | Jul 02 19:37 |
| XRevan86 | so the minus sign works for me in that context | Jul 02 19:38 |
| scientes | but isn't it all just ASCII hyphen? | Jul 02 19:38 |
| scientes | or are you using UTF-8? | Jul 02 19:38 |
| XRevan86 | scientes: Well, yeah… | Jul 02 19:39 |
| XRevan86 | > cause an en dash and a hyphen are basically the same thing | Jul 02 19:39 |
| XRevan86 | en dash – is longer for me than the hyphen-minus sign - | Jul 02 19:39 |
| scientes | oh so you are using utf-8, does your keyboard actually produce that? | Jul 02 19:40 |
| XRevan86 | scientes: Compose, duh :) | Jul 02 19:40 |
| scientes | ahhh, I've got to figure that out some day | Jul 02 19:40 |
| scientes | I kinda need it | Jul 02 19:40 |
| XRevan86 | Compose + "-" + "-" + "." | Jul 02 19:40 |
| scientes | cause the internation layout blows | Jul 02 19:40 |
| XRevan86 | em dash is "-" * 3 | Jul 02 19:40 |
| MinceR | us altgr-intl rules | Jul 02 19:41 |
| XRevan86 | I can also produce ñ ü natively with Compose | Jul 02 19:41 |
| scientes | I need someone that knows more about this to show me in person | Jul 02 19:42 |
| scientes | cause as a English user I never learned keyboard | Jul 02 19:42 |
| XRevan86 | kawaii, neko-tyan ña | Jul 02 19:42 |
| *XRevan86 thinks ñ is underappreciated in English. | Jul 02 19:42 | |
| scientes | yeah i need ñ and á é ó í | Jul 02 19:42 |
| scientes | hehehehe | Jul 02 19:43 |
| scientes | if only English had that sound | Jul 02 19:43 |
| *MinceR thinks n-umlaut is underappreciated | Jul 02 19:43 | |
| scientes | but English does have ü | Jul 02 19:43 |
| scientes | and German doesn't even need those symbols | Jul 02 19:43 |
| XRevan86 | scientes: It does have it, it's not aware of it, there's a difference. | Jul 02 19:43 |
| scientes | it is completely legal to spell them out | Jul 02 19:43 |
| XRevan86 | scientes: Try saying "New-York" fast. | Jul 02 19:44 |
| scientes | XRevan86, damn, you have a point | Jul 02 19:44 |
| XRevan86 | the separation between "n" and "u" will start to disappear | Jul 02 19:44 |
| XRevan86 | nyu → ñu | Jul 02 19:44 |
| MinceR | i thought it wasn't there to begin with :> | Jul 02 19:45 |
| MinceR | though that's probably dependent on dialect | Jul 02 19:45 |
| scientes | Nuevo York | Jul 02 19:45 |
| *XRevan86 opened Wiktionary | Jul 02 19:46 | |
| *XRevan86 found audio examples for both | Jul 02 19:46 | |
| MinceR | :) | Jul 02 19:46 |
| scientes | XRevan86, that's why i said you have a point | Jul 02 19:46 |
| XRevan86 | https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/e/e6/En-uk-new.ogg | Jul 02 19:46 |
| XRevan86 | https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/2/22/En-au-new.ogg | Jul 02 19:46 |
| scientes | although people on the west coast never pronouce it that way | Jul 02 19:47 |
| XRevan86 | scientes: Always clinging to the stop as if their lives depend on it? :) | Jul 02 19:47 |
| scientes | yes | Jul 02 19:47 |
| XRevan86 | https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/3/34/En-us-new.ogg now this is an interesting example | Jul 02 19:48 |
| XRevan86 | something in between ñu and nu | Jul 02 19:49 |
| XRevan86 | scientes: It shows a point I wanted to make earlier but didn't. | Jul 02 19:49 |
| XRevan86 | scientes: You said that in English "Kiev" would be pronounced rather like Greater Russians do than Ukrainians, with an и rather than ы | Jul 02 19:50 |
| scientes | yeah that def. is the US pronunciation | Jul 02 19:50 |
| scientes | the australian one almost sounds french | Jul 02 19:50 |
| XRevan86 | scientes: But there's the trick, a lot of times in English the pronunciation is somewhere in between. | Jul 02 19:50 |
| XRevan86 | Whilst Russians distinguish broadness/slenderness very clearly, the English don't care one bit. | Jul 02 19:51 |
| scientes | nah I think it is very much the former | Jul 02 19:51 |
| scientes | with the Kiev example | Jul 02 19:51 |
| scientes | but not always.... | Jul 02 19:51 |
| scientes | because as you say, it is not necessary for being understood | Jul 02 19:51 |
| scientes | like in English there is the classic example of shit/sheet and bitch/beech | Jul 02 19:52 |
| XRevan86 | scientes: That's the property of a vowel. | Jul 02 19:52 |
| MinceR | "So I tell her: you no understand, I wanna fok on da table!" | Jul 02 19:52 |
| XRevan86 | scientes: Russians don't give as much thought to vowel length, indeed. | Jul 02 19:53 |
| scientes | its a big problem for Spanish speakers | Jul 02 19:53 |
| XRevan86 | https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/e/ed/Ru-%D0%BA%D0%B8%D1%80%D0%BF%D0%B8%D1%87.ogg | Jul 02 19:53 |
| scientes | as two of those words are considered vulgar | Jul 02 19:53 |
| XRevan86 | scientes: Hm, I think I see your point… | Jul 02 19:54 |
| XRevan86 | scientes: When a syllable is not stressed, Russians don't slender it as much. | Jul 02 19:54 |
| scientes | the advice is often to not try to use those words | Jul 02 19:54 |
| scientes | because they are too risky | Jul 02 19:54 |
| scientes | just say linen and ...not sure for beech... | Jul 02 19:55 |
| scientes | even though linen is technically flax | Jul 02 19:55 |
| scientes | but I don't think I have even seen a flax textile | Jul 02 19:55 |
| XRevan86 | scientes: I wonder if it'd help to tell them to say beach as "biech" | Jul 02 19:55 |
| XRevan86 | forcing two vowels out | Jul 02 19:55 |
| MinceR | five tons of flax! | Jul 02 19:55 |
| scientes | uggh textile... its a double consonant but doesn't have it in the spellings | Jul 02 19:55 |
| scientes | texttile | Jul 02 19:55 |
| XRevan86 | scientes: Since they're so close, they'd produce a longer vowels that's almost indistinguishable from what beach is supposed to sound like | Jul 02 19:56 |
| XRevan86 | and unlike "bitch" | Jul 02 19:56 |
| scientes | yeah but biach is another pronunciation for bitch...actually | Jul 02 19:57 |
| scientes | jajajaja | Jul 02 19:57 |
| XRevan86 | scientes: With a different stress | Jul 02 19:57 |
| scientes | but isn't that the same problem? | Jul 02 19:57 |
| XRevan86 | I meant bìach | Jul 02 19:57 |
| XRevan86 | not biàch | Jul 02 19:57 |
| psydroid | I find this particularly interesting in Slavic languages, because in my native languages (other than Dutch) Hindi and Bhojpuri (and also in Sanskrit) we do have this distinction between long and short vowels, often with closely related cognates in Slavic languages | Jul 02 19:58 |
| XRevan86 | scientes: Not really. | Jul 02 19:58 |
| scientes | ahh yes those accents are quite useful | Jul 02 19:58 |
| XRevan86 | psydroid: Examples? | Jul 02 19:58 |
| scientes | English really should use them | Jul 02 19:58 |
| scientes | it would help alot | Jul 02 19:58 |
| scientes | because stress is so important to English | Jul 02 19:58 |
| XRevan86 | scientes: Russian only uses them only when explaining something. | Jul 02 19:58 |
| MinceR | stress matters more in russian | Jul 02 19:59 |
| XRevan86 | scientes: But such confusions are rare in Russian though. | Jul 02 19:59 |
| scientes | psydroid, how many languages do you know? | Jul 02 19:59 |
| XRevan86 | homophones, except with different stresses, are rare | Jul 02 19:59 |
| scientes | psydroid, you are also in ##españñññnol | Jul 02 19:59 |
| psydroid | I know = jānāmi (Sanskrit) = znam (Polish, Croatian) | Jul 02 19:59 |
| XRevan86 | I'd say that in English they're rare, too. But English has the issue of vowels meaning different things… | Jul 02 20:00 |
| psydroid | scientes, about 10 fairly well and another 10 that I've been learning on and off | Jul 02 20:00 |
| XRevan86 | psydroid: to know? | Jul 02 20:00 |
| scientes | holy moley | Jul 02 20:00 |
| XRevan86 | psydroid: znati then | Jul 02 20:01 |
| psydroid | XRevan86, there is no infinitive in Sanskrit, but in Hindi it's jānnā | Jul 02 20:01 |
| scientes | does Russian have an infinitive? | Jul 02 20:02 |
| scientes | oh yes | Jul 02 20:02 |
| XRevan86 | scientes: yes, all Slavic languages do as far as I'm aware | Jul 02 20:02 |
| psydroid | yes, I didn't want to confuse you because the first person singular in Russian is znayu | Jul 02 20:02 |
| XRevan86 | scientes: знать | Jul 02 20:02 |
| scientes | cause I had to correct a Russian speaker recently | Jul 02 20:03 |
| XRevan86 | scientes: Usually transliterated as znat', but I used a more archaic version as we're talking about etymologies | Jul 02 20:03 |
| scientes | yeah I try to avoid transliterations | Jul 02 20:03 |
| scientes | they are only going to confuse me | Jul 02 20:03 |
| XRevan86 | it used to be znati in Proto-Slavic times | Jul 02 20:04 |
| psydroid | that's the infinitive in Serbo-Croatian | Jul 02 20:04 |
| XRevan86 | and Old Russian times, too | Jul 02 20:04 |
| scientes | made sweeped [sic] => had to sweep | Jul 02 20:04 |
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| XRevan86 | scientes: That construction wouldn't be proper in Russian, too. | Jul 02 20:05 |
| XRevan86 | scientes: So that's not a calque. | Jul 02 20:05 |
| scientes | well I do the same thing in Spanish | Jul 02 20:05 |
| scientes | I conjugate the second verb, even though that never happens in English | Jul 02 20:05 |
| XRevan86 | psydroid: https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/Reconstruction:Proto-Slavic/znati Wiktionary is a helpful resource (: | Jul 02 20:06 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-en.wiktionary.org | Reconstruction:Proto-Slavic/znati - Wiktionary | Jul 02 20:06 | |
| XRevan86 | I wonder if there's any Slavic language that retains Proto-Slavic schwas… | Jul 02 20:07 |
| XRevan86 | Proto-Slavic didn't have consonant clusters | Jul 02 20:07 |
| scientes | from French calquer (“to trace”), from Italian calcare. | Jul 02 20:08 |
| XRevan86 | and Old Russian didn't too | Jul 02 20:08 |
| XRevan86 | scientes: "calque" means that something was copied with no alterations | Jul 02 20:08 |
| scientes | yeah i look it up | Jul 02 20:08 |
| scientes | i knew that from the context ;) | Jul 02 20:08 |
| XRevan86 | https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/Category:English_calques here's some fun | Jul 02 20:09 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-en.wiktionary.org | Category:English calques - Wiktionary | Jul 02 20:09 | |
| XRevan86 | they include good calques too though | Jul 02 20:09 |
| scientes | call a spade a spade | Jul 02 20:10 |
| scientes | oh thats good | Jul 02 20:10 |
| scientes | no idea that wasn't English | Jul 02 20:10 |
| XRevan86 | by that I mean calques that make perfect sense in the destination language | Jul 02 20:10 |
| scientes | lots of christian ones here for obvious reasons | Jul 02 20:11 |
| scientes | in the greek page | Jul 02 20:11 |
| XRevan86 | Pity there's no category for the other kind of calques | Jul 02 20:11 |
| XRevan86 | like the Slavic word "православный" from "orthodox" | Jul 02 20:12 |
| XRevan86 | a famous mistranslation | Jul 02 20:12 |
| scientes | what does it mean in RUssian? | Jul 02 20:12 |
| scientes | cause "Orthodox Christianity" always came across a little pretentious to me | Jul 02 20:14 |
| MinceR | every sect believes themselves to be the only real one | Jul 02 20:14 |
| XRevan86 | scientes: pretentiousness is retained :D | Jul 02 20:14 |
| MinceR | even if not every one of them advertises it :> | Jul 02 20:14 |
| XRevan86 | scientes: Right glorying/faming | Jul 02 20:14 |
| XRevan86 | some figure that maybe it's because православные do the cross with the right hand | Jul 02 20:14 |
| XRevan86 | but that's not it, it's right as in correct | Jul 02 20:14 |
| XRevan86 | (yes, it's fun that both in English and Russian "right" can be confused for either a direction and correctness) | Jul 02 20:15 |
| scientes | catholics use the right hand too, they just pull instead of push | Jul 02 20:15 |
| XRevan86 | scientes: oops, right %) | Jul 02 20:15 |
| scientes | > right | Jul 02 20:15 |
| XRevan86 | scientes: riiight | Jul 02 20:16 |
| XRevan86 | MinceR: And I think I'm right for thinking they're full of baloney (: | Jul 02 20:17 |
| scientes | double-edged_sword is a claque with arabic, from the Torah (in Hebrew) | Jul 02 20:17 |
| scientes | interesting | Jul 02 20:17 |
| scientes | *not the Torah, Hebews 4:12 | Jul 02 20:18 |
| scientes | so greek | Jul 02 20:18 |
| XRevan86 | scientes: IIRC, православие is mistranslated from Greek picking the wrong meaning of doxis | Jul 02 20:19 |
| XRevan86 | doxia | Jul 02 20:19 |
| scientes | so православие is the name of the orthodox church? | Jul 02 20:19 |
| XRevan86 | scientes: orthodox christianity in general | Jul 02 20:20 |
| scientes | well catholic means the same thing | Jul 02 20:20 |
| scientes | but it is rarely used that way | Jul 02 20:21 |
| XRevan86 | -ие is like -ism, I guess | Jul 02 20:21 |
| scientes | good to know | Jul 02 20:21 |
| XRevan86 | so "orthodoxy" | Jul 02 20:21 |
| scientes | yeah but that means something totally differn't in ENglish | Jul 02 20:22 |
| scientes | but i get what you mean | Jul 02 20:22 |
| psydroid | coming back to consonant clusters in Slavic languages, there is a verb in Sanskrit "prārthayati" for "to wish" or "to pray" and a Czech friend told me that it's "přát" in his language, which is like a highly condensed version | Jul 02 20:22 |
| XRevan86 | scientes: That's why I said "christianity" first. | Jul 02 20:22 |
| XRevan86 | scientes: orthodoxy in other senses is translated as ортодоксия | Jul 02 20:23 |
| scientes | but that would be a differn't word | Jul 02 20:23 |
| XRevan86 | scientes: Indeed. | Jul 02 20:23 |
| XRevan86 | The Russian Orthodox Church is called Русская православная церковь, literally. | Jul 02 20:23 |
| scientes | кристиа ? | Jul 02 20:24 |
| XRevan86 | scientes: христианство | Jul 02 20:24 |
| XRevan86 | scientes: When "ch" as /k/ in English, then /x/ in… everywhere else. | Jul 02 20:24 |
| XRevan86 | synchronous – синХронный (and одновременный, loaning is not always necessary) | Jul 02 20:25 |
| XRevan86 | character – характер (only as in "strength of character", temper and stuff) | Jul 02 20:27 |
| scientes | calques from Russian lists "Great Patriotic War" but that is kinda bullshit | Jul 02 20:27 |
| scientes | because that is totally context dependant | Jul 02 20:27 |
| scientes | and no-one calls it that | Jul 02 20:27 |
| XRevan86 | psydroid: I'm trying to think of a similiar word in Russian… | Jul 02 20:27 |
| scientes | granted, the US has some stupid names for european wars | Jul 02 20:28 |
| XRevan86 | > and no-one calls it that | Jul 02 20:28 |
| XRevan86 | scientes: I've seen it. | Jul 02 20:28 |
| scientes | The US was full of nazi sympathizers | Jul 02 20:28 |
| XRevan86 | scientes: But it's rare since the view on WW2 is different in the English-speaking world. | Jul 02 20:28 |
| XRevan86 | Russians like to think that they won the war. | Jul 02 20:29 |
| scientes | So does the US | Jul 02 20:29 |
| XRevan86 | The Americans would rather give the French more credit. | Jul 02 20:29 |
| scientes | I feel Alan Turing won the war | Jul 02 20:29 |
| scientes | but that was long classified | Jul 02 20:29 |
| scientes | but that is just the US part | Jul 02 20:30 |
| scientes | there was really two wars | Jul 02 20:30 |
| scientes | *just the Europe | Jul 02 20:30 |
| XRevan86 | The Eastern and Western Fronts | Jul 02 20:30 |
| scientes | heh, does Russia have the same terms, but reversed | Jul 02 20:30 |
| scientes | cause that would be funny | Jul 02 20:30 |
| scientes | oh wait | Jul 02 20:30 |
| scientes | the US terms are reversed | Jul 02 20:30 |
| XRevan86 | scientes: I picked that from the English Wikipedia :D | Jul 02 20:30 |
| scientes | cause the Western front was to the East of the US | Jul 02 20:31 |
| XRevan86 | scientes: The separation between fronts is not emphasised here. | Jul 02 20:32 |
| scientes | yeah but Russia did not fight Japan | Jul 02 20:32 |
| XRevan86 | Here there's the World War 2 and a subset Great Patriotic war | Jul 02 20:32 |
| XRevan86 | on the very surface anyway | Jul 02 20:33 |
| XRevan86 | in schools they teach about the eastern and western fronts | Jul 02 20:33 |
| XRevan86 | But the emphasis is still on the Eastern one, of course. | Jul 02 20:34 |
| scientes | Western one | Jul 02 20:34 |
| scientes | so its actually Russia-centric even though those are the US's terms | Jul 02 20:34 |
| scientes | because the US is using the Europe-centric terms | Jul 02 20:34 |
| scientes | actually I think the US uses "Pacific Theater" now | Jul 02 20:35 |
| scientes | instead of "fronts" | Jul 02 20:35 |
| XRevan86 | scientes: Um, in both Wikipedias I see the Battle of Stalingrad as the Eastern Front | Jul 02 20:35 |
| scientes | ohhhh those fronts | Jul 02 20:35 |
| scientes | those are the fronts against Germany, yes | Jul 02 20:36 |
| scientes | but I was talking about Japan | Jul 02 20:36 |
| scientes | which is not very relevent | Jul 02 20:36 |
| scientes | to RUssia | Jul 02 20:36 |
| scientes | that's why I was saying two wars | Jul 02 20:36 |
| scientes | Germany and Japan | Jul 02 20:36 |
| XRevan86 | scientes: The blockade of Leningrad is the most relevant here. | Jul 02 20:36 |
| scientes | oh yes | Jul 02 20:36 |
| XRevan86 | probably because I literally live here | Jul 02 20:36 |
| scientes | also the Napoleon wars | Jul 02 20:37 |
| XRevan86 | where these horrors happened | Jul 02 20:37 |
| *scientes is reading War and Peace | Jul 02 20:37 | |
| XRevan86 | scientes: The Patriotic War | Jul 02 20:37 |
| XRevan86 | not to be confused with: The Great Patriotic War :D | Jul 02 20:38 |
| scientes | then wouldn't the other be "The Great*er* Patriotic War"? | Jul 02 20:38 |
| XRevan86 | scientes: Let's hope not. | Jul 02 20:38 |
| scientes | or *more* Patriotic? | Jul 02 20:38 |
| scientes | lawl | Jul 02 20:38 |
| scientes | eh, the US has funny and completely irrelevent names for a bunch of European wars | Jul 02 20:38 |
| scientes | like the war of spanish succession has this totally useless name of "French and Indian war" | Jul 02 20:39 |
| *XRevan86 checked the Russian name | Jul 02 20:39 | |
| XRevan86 | "the war of spanish succession". Okay. | Jul 02 20:40 |
| scientes | nope i'm confusing them | Jul 02 20:40 |
| scientes | cause the years dont match | Jul 02 20:40 |
| XRevan86 | quite a short one | Jul 02 20:40 |
| scientes | ahh Seven Years War | Jul 02 20:40 |
| XRevan86 | I didn't even know it happened | Jul 02 20:40 |
| XRevan86 | scientes: Ah, that one… | Jul 02 20:41 |
| scientes | The Spanish Success war was important however, as it created the netherlands which split from spain | Jul 02 20:41 |
| scientes | with belgium being the loyalists | Jul 02 20:41 |
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| *XRevan86 imagines a map | Jul 02 20:42 | |
| *XRevan86 imagines Spain and Netherlands on it | Jul 02 20:42 | |
| scientes | it also basically starts the British Empire | Jul 02 20:42 |
| scientes | Charles V had Spain Belgium and Netherlands | Jul 02 20:42 |
| scientes | Spain was very powerful then | Jul 02 20:42 |
| scientes | *Charles II | Jul 02 20:42 |
| scientes | god damn these names are hard | Jul 02 20:43 |
| XRevan86 | https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/2/23/Europe_c._1700.png | Jul 02 20:43 |
| XRevan86 | indeed it has | Jul 02 20:43 |
| scientes | before that Mexico (Spanish) was more powerful than the US | Jul 02 20:43 |
| XRevan86 | how did they even get there? | Jul 02 20:43 |
| scientes | *far more powerful | Jul 02 20:43 |
| scientes | that was the big turning point of Spanish vs. British, which brings us to today | Jul 02 20:44 |
| scientes | Somebody had the whole thing, including France | Jul 02 20:44 |
| scientes | and when he died he tried to split it up in a way that would prevent France from controlling Europe | Jul 02 20:44 |
| XRevan86 | heh, they draw Zaporozhye as a state | Jul 02 20:45 |
| scientes | isn't it kinda late in St Petersberg? | Jul 02 20:46 |
| scientes | oh wait, you aren't in SIberia | Jul 02 20:46 |
| scientes | Russia has 9 friggen time zones | Jul 02 20:46 |
| XRevan86 | lol, I'm actually on the West of Russia. | Jul 02 20:47 |
| XRevan86 | North-West to be exact | Jul 02 20:47 |
| scientes | and China: one | Jul 02 20:47 |
| scientes | ^use of : in English | Jul 02 20:48 |
| XRevan86 | So I'm psyhically closer to Viena than to anything in Siberia | Jul 02 20:49 |
| scientes | and Putin said Russia might one day join the EU | Jul 02 20:50 |
| XRevan86 | The year is 2561, Russia founds EU-ng and joins it. | Jul 02 20:50 |
| XRevan86 | scientes: I don't see it happening. | Jul 02 20:51 |
| MinceR | they already founded the "eurasian union" | Jul 02 20:51 |
| scientes | CIS | Jul 02 20:51 |
| MinceR | not CIS | Jul 02 20:51 |
| MinceR | EAEU | Jul 02 20:51 |
| XRevan86 | MinceR: Yeah… | Jul 02 20:51 |
| MinceR | it has such important economic powerhouses and exemplars of democracy in it as armenia, belarus, kazakhstan, kyrgyzstan and russia | Jul 02 20:52 |
| scientes | aren't those all CIS members? | Jul 02 20:52 |
| scientes | also, what does -stan mean in Russian? | Jul 02 20:53 |
| XRevan86 | scientes: The same thing as in English | Jul 02 20:53 |
| scientes | well how did these countries get that in their name? | Jul 02 20:54 |
| XRevan86 | turns out, it's from Persian | Jul 02 20:54 |
| XRevan86 | and I thought it's Turkish | Jul 02 20:54 |
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| XRevan86 | and it is cognate to words standing and "стоять"/"стан" | Jul 02 20:55 |
| psydroid | yeah | Jul 02 20:55 |
| psydroid | yeah | Jul 02 20:55 |
| XRevan86 | ("стан" in Russian means a torso) | Jul 02 20:55 |
| psydroid | in Polish "Stany Zjednoczone" is United States | Jul 02 20:56 |
| XRevan86 | psydroid: Oh, right, there's also a word Станица | Jul 02 20:57 |
| XRevan86 | why did I not think of that | Jul 02 20:57 |
| XRevan86 | and стан also has a meaning of a camp… | Jul 02 20:57 |
| psydroid | because no one knows or remembers everything | Jul 02 20:57 |
| XRevan86 | (camp in a broader sense) | Jul 02 20:58 |
| psydroid | Turkish and especially Uzbek has a lot of Persian vocabulary | Jul 02 20:59 |
| XRevan86 | in Russian the word for country is страна, which is a bulgaric word for a side (cognate to Russian сторона) | Jul 02 20:59 |
| psydroid | Sthāna is also a Sanskrit word | Jul 02 20:59 |
| XRevan86 | psydroid: What does it mean? | Jul 02 21:01 |
| XRevan86 | psydroid: I find it unlikely that this is the same word | Jul 02 21:01 |
| XRevan86 | as it shares bulgaric vowel changes | Jul 02 21:01 |
| MinceR | 'state' is probably related | Jul 02 21:01 |
| XRevan86 | MinceR: It is related to… standing, indeed. | Jul 02 21:02 |
| XRevan86 | So to -stan, not to страна | Jul 02 21:03 |
| *XRevan86 found out: Sthāna is for standing | Jul 02 21:04 | |
| psydroid | XRevan86, "place", "region", "state" and quite a few other things | Jul 02 21:04 |
| XRevan86 | psydroid: So yea, like state | Jul 02 21:04 |
| XRevan86 | it's interesting that the Bulgaric/Russian word sounds similiar | Jul 02 21:05 |
| *psydroid knows Hindi, Persian, some Sanskrit as well as some Old Persian | Jul 02 21:05 | |
| XRevan86 | https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/Reconstruction:Proto-Slavic/storna | Jul 02 21:06 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-en.wiktionary.org | Reconstruction:Proto-Slavic/storna - Wiktionary | Jul 02 21:06 | |
| XRevan86 | Notable that in Ukrainian the main word for a country is kraïna | Jul 02 21:06 |
| MinceR | what does the umlaut mean? | Jul 02 21:06 |
| XRevan86 | from the word for an edge | Jul 02 21:07 |
| scientes | that makes it a dipthong MinceR | Jul 02 21:07 |
| XRevan86 | MinceR: yi / ji | Jul 02 21:07 |
| MinceR | ic | Jul 02 21:07 |
| XRevan86 | I calqued it from the Ukrainian alphabet | Jul 02 21:07 |
| XRevan86 | as I couldn't pick between yi and ji (: | Jul 02 21:08 |
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| XRevan86 | I should probably stick to some one form of transliteration | Jul 02 21:08 |
| XRevan86 | but I keep fearing that "j" will be misread as "zh" or "dzh" | Jul 02 21:08 |
| scientes | Russian transliteration is so weird, because there a bunch of famous people who have "standard" transliterations | Jul 02 21:08 |
| XRevan86 | and not as the first sound in "yes" | Jul 02 21:09 |
| XRevan86 | scientes: Well, there's The Way | Jul 02 21:09 |
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| MinceR | you could have picked "'i" :> | Jul 02 21:10 |
| XRevan86 | MinceR: I guess, but Ukrainian really likes its ji sound | Jul 02 21:10 |
| XRevan86 | * Ukrajinian | Jul 02 21:10 |
| MinceR | :> | Jul 02 21:11 |
| MinceR | ukradzhinian | Jul 02 21:11 |
| XRevan86 | one day their ministry of foreign affairs will force you to spell it that way :D | Jul 02 21:11 |
| MinceR | they have bigger troubles | Jul 02 21:11 |
| XRevan86 | MinceR: Apparently not. | Jul 02 21:11 |
| MinceR | did putler's unlabeled soldiers retreat? | Jul 02 21:11 |
| MinceR | (or the labeled ones in crimea) | Jul 02 21:12 |
| XRevan86 | MinceR: They figured that language stuff is the solution | Jul 02 21:12 |
| MinceR | ah, then they're hopeless | Jul 02 21:12 |
| MinceR | they can't even enforce it here | Jul 02 21:12 |
| scientes | what about Iraq, Libya, Syria, Venezuela? | Jul 02 21:12 |
| XRevan86 | MinceR: There's a recent news that the ministry of foreign affairs really recommended the US to use the forms Kyiv, Lviv, etc. | Jul 02 21:13 |
| XRevan86 | and they complied | Jul 02 21:13 |
| MinceR | which is understandable | Jul 02 21:13 |
| MinceR | it's reasonable and it's a recommendation | Jul 02 21:13 |
| XRevan86 | MinceR: My issues with it I have already stated. | Jul 02 21:14 |
| MinceR | when does the US not use the names in the language of the country the places are in? | Jul 02 21:14 |
| MinceR | at least for settlements | Jul 02 21:14 |
| MinceR | well, i guess there's exceptions like "The Hague" | Jul 02 21:14 |
| XRevan86 | MinceR: I am yet to see them call my city Sankt-Pyetyerburg | Jul 02 21:14 |
| MinceR | lol | Jul 02 21:14 |
| MinceR | is that a commonly used transliteration from russian to english? | Jul 02 21:15 |
| XRevan86 | MinceR: It's in the language of the country the place is in | Jul 02 21:15 |
| MinceR | it is, but the only difference from the form they do use is the transliteration | Jul 02 21:15 |
| XRevan86 | MinceR: "Saint"? PeterS? | Jul 02 21:16 |
| MinceR | :) | Jul 02 21:16 |
| MinceR | ok, then it's another exception like the one i mentioned | Jul 02 21:16 |
| MinceR | but these are different from Kyiv and Lviv | Jul 02 21:16 |
| XRevan86 | Moscow? That's Old East Slavic / Old Russian, not Greater Russian | Jul 02 21:16 |
| MinceR | no country uses Old East Slavic / Old Russian officially | Jul 02 21:17 |
| XRevan86 | MinceR: Kyev, Lvov are proper Old East Slavic. | Jul 02 21:17 |
| MinceR | ic | Jul 02 21:17 |
| MinceR | i've seen Kiev, but not Kyev | Jul 02 21:17 |
| MinceR | dunno why | Jul 02 21:17 |
| MinceR | probably because most non-slavic people ignore softness | Jul 02 21:17 |
| XRevan86 | MinceR: I'm not sure when and with what rules Kiev was transliterated | Jul 02 21:18 |
| MinceR | has russia complained about Moscow being used instead of Moskva? | Jul 02 21:18 |
| XRevan86 | MinceR: If I transliterate from Old East Slavic with contemporary rules and trim double y, I get Kyev | Jul 02 21:18 |
| XRevan86 | MinceR: Would the US comply if they do? <: | Jul 02 21:19 |
| MinceR | my prediction: part of it would, part of it wouldn't | Jul 02 21:19 |
| MinceR | the pro-russia part would, the anti-russia part wouldn't | Jul 02 21:19 |
| XRevan86 | MinceR: I would just think this is unnecessary. | Jul 02 21:19 |
| MinceR | i think the ukrainian perception was that foreigners were using russian names for ukrainian cities | Jul 02 21:20 |
| MinceR | and they rectified that, to an extent | Jul 02 21:20 |
| XRevan86 | MinceR: And my perception is that they should try a more objective look on things. | Jul 02 21:20 |
| XRevan86 | not only is it counterproductive to change settled names, not only do no one in the English world can tell the difference… | Jul 02 21:21 |
| XRevan86 | there isn't anything inherently Greater Russian / Moscovian in those names | Jul 02 21:22 |
| XRevan86 | I'd get it if I saw something Moscovian in them, but all I see is norms not typical for contemporary Ukrainian | Jul 02 21:22 |
| MinceR | they can tell the difference, it's just a different difference from the one you can tell ;) | Jul 02 21:22 |
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| XRevan86 | will they ask for updates after the language changes? | Jul 02 21:22 |
| MinceR | ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ | Jul 02 21:23 |
| MinceR | what i want to know is when they'll start insisting that we spell it "Chornobyl", not "Chernobyl" :> | Jul 02 21:23 |
| MinceR | (or at least call it "Wormwood" :> ) | Jul 02 21:23 |
| XRevan86 | MinceR: черн- means black | Jul 02 21:23 |
| MinceR | yes, and? | Jul 02 21:24 |
| XRevan86 | MinceR: ah | Jul 02 21:24 |
| MinceR | there are two related plants, chernobyl/chornobyl is the name of the black one (known in hungarian as fekete üröm) | Jul 02 21:24 |
| XRevan86 | MinceR: now I know what wormwood is (: | Jul 02 21:24 |
| MinceR | :) | Jul 02 21:24 |
| XRevan86 | MinceR: You're right. | Jul 02 21:24 |
| XRevan86 | MinceR: Went to Wikipedia: "Chernobyl or Chornobyl" | Jul 02 21:25 |
| XRevan86 | Should I mention that chern- is also historically accurate for Ukrainian? %) | Jul 02 21:26 |
| MinceR | probably not :> | Jul 02 21:26 |
| XRevan86 | Those darn moscovians polluted Ukrainian with their linguistic forms even before they existed. | Jul 02 21:27 |
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| MinceR | :> | Jul 02 21:27 |
| XRevan86 | There's a similiar phonetic change in Greater Russian too. But sometimes in different places. | Jul 02 21:29 |
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| XRevan86 | And in Greater Russian it is always on a stressed vowel, not in Ukrainian. | Jul 02 21:30 |
| XRevan86 | Also in Ukrainian it can be after a broad consonant. I suspect that this means je → jo happened in Ukrainian before the partial loss of slenderness. | Jul 02 21:31 |
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| XRevan86 | ё from Greater Russian is rarely reflected in transliterations into English | Jul 02 21:32 |
| XRevan86 | I can think of one example: Pyotr | Jul 02 21:32 |
| XRevan86 | historically Pyetr | Jul 02 21:32 |
| MinceR | :) | Jul 02 21:33 |
| XRevan86 | Хрущёв → Khruschev, etc. | Jul 02 21:33 |
| XRevan86 | as if it never happened | Jul 02 21:33 |
| MinceR | "Gorbachev" | Jul 02 21:34 |
| XRevan86 | MinceR: yup | Jul 02 21:34 |
| MinceR | maybe they transliterated it from newspapers | Jul 02 21:34 |
| MinceR | (or whatever they had that looked like newspapers) | Jul 02 21:34 |
| XRevan86 | as I mentioned, ё always means stressed, somehow in English it is still "Gòrbachev" %) | Jul 02 21:34 |
| XRevan86 | I'd think that this means that in English it is unfavourable to have a stress at the end of a word | Jul 02 21:35 |
| XRevan86 | but then there's Romanòv | Jul 02 21:35 |
| MinceR | could be, i'm largely ignorant of stress | Jul 02 21:35 |
| XRevan86 | (Romànov in Russian) | Jul 02 21:35 |
| MinceR | since it's a lot easier in hungarian | Jul 02 21:36 |
| XRevan86 | MinceR: How? | Jul 02 21:37 |
| XRevan86 | I forgot the term for having all syllables the same length. | Jul 02 21:37 |
| XRevan86 | MinceR: Is that how Hungarian works? | Jul 02 21:37 |
| MinceR | stress is always at the beginning of words and it is not significant | Jul 02 21:37 |
| MinceR | sounds don't change because of stress | Jul 02 21:37 |
| MinceR | stress pretty much only has to do with sentence-level stuff (like question or what are you emphasizing) | Jul 02 21:38 |
| XRevan86 | > In a syllable-timed language, every syllable is perceived as taking up roughly the same amount of time | Jul 02 21:39 |
| XRevan86 | that's the term | Jul 02 21:39 |
| MinceR | huh? | Jul 02 21:39 |
| XRevan86 | https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Isochrony | Jul 02 21:39 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-en.wikipedia.org | Isochrony - Wikipedia | Jul 02 21:39 | |
| MinceR | hungarian is not like that | Jul 02 21:39 |
| MinceR | for one thing, long vowels take more time | Jul 02 21:40 |
| XRevan86 | > Stress-timing is strongly related to vowel reduction processes. _English_, Thai, German, _Russian_, Danish, Swedish, Catalan, Norwegian, Faroese, Dutch, European Portuguese, and Persian are typical stress-timed languages. | Jul 02 21:40 |
| MinceR | ah | Jul 02 21:40 |
| MinceR | strange, there's mention of long and short syllables here >> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hexameter | Jul 02 21:41 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-en.wikipedia.org | Hexameter - Wikipedia | Jul 02 21:41 | |
| XRevan86 | Vowel reduction doesn't have to be lossy | Jul 02 21:41 |
| MinceR | ah, not really used in stress-timed languages | Jul 02 21:41 |
| XRevan86 | Ukrainian is stress-timed (less than Greater Russian though), but it doesn't turn unstressed o's into schwas | Jul 02 21:41 |
| XRevan86 | so vowel reduction doesn't have to be very strong | Jul 02 21:42 |
| *XRevan86 read a bit | Jul 02 21:51 | |
| XRevan86 | MinceR: Apparently Hungarian indeed does have stress, and it is on the first syllable. | Jul 02 21:52 |
| XRevan86 | and long vowels do skew that, but yea, that makes sense | Jul 02 21:52 |
| MinceR | https://ircz.de/p/19062225 | Jul 02 21:54 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-ircz.de | IRCZ makes your life worth living Post object | Jul 02 21:54 | |
| XRevan86 | MinceR: Boy oh boy, this made me wonder about how to properly pronounce "numb-er" | Jul 02 21:55 |
| MinceR | lol | Jul 02 21:56 |
| XRevan86 | MinceR: And yea, it's nummer. And we know that the -b was added by a wrong analogy (hypercorrection), but then… couldn't they, who added -b, check whether it's silent by adding -er? | Jul 02 21:57 |
| XRevan86 | if it were real, it would've surfaced with this little trick, no? | Jul 02 21:57 |
| XRevan86 | The sad story of English, sometimes spellings aren't etymological but were just made complicated, as they seemed too simple. | Jul 02 21:58 |
| scientes | as they seemed too simple. | Jul 02 21:59 |
| scientes | sure seems like it, right | Jul 02 21:59 |
| XRevan86 | I really liked how I phrased that too :) | Jul 02 21:59 |
| MinceR | see also: o -> ou, er -> re | Jul 02 22:00 |
| XRevan86 | It seems as if I exaggerate it make my statement more colourful | Jul 02 22:00 |
| XRevan86 | but it's accurate, which makes it more colourful by having that false impression | Jul 02 22:01 |
| MinceR | truth is stranger than fiction | Jul 02 22:01 |
| XRevan86 | MinceR: o → ou is usually just historical French grammar | Jul 02 22:02 |
| XRevan86 | like in "you" | Jul 02 22:02 |
| MinceR | yeah, but i'm talking about english :> | Jul 02 22:02 |
| XRevan86 | or "thou" | Jul 02 22:02 |
| XRevan86 | MinceR: English grammar at its very base is French | Jul 02 22:02 |
| XRevan86 | Old French rather | Jul 02 22:02 |
| MinceR | isn't it a creole of old french and some germanic language? | Jul 02 22:03 |
| MinceR | (hence the simplification) | Jul 02 22:03 |
| XRevan86 | MinceR: The *grammar* is 100% French | Jul 02 22:03 |
| MinceR | i doubt that | Jul 02 22:03 |
| XRevan86 | with some Germanic bits | Jul 02 22:03 |
| MinceR | for example, adjectives don't go after the nouns they refer to | Jul 02 22:03 |
| MinceR | and there's no grammatical gender | Jul 02 22:03 |
| XRevan86 | MinceR: Okay, wrong word. Spelling rules. | Jul 02 22:03 |
| XRevan86 | just like Russian at its spelling core is based on Greek | Jul 02 22:04 |
| XRevan86 | MinceR: Did you know that initially the letter for "u" in Cyrillic was a digraph ѹ? | Jul 02 22:05 |
| XRevan86 | It was a digraph in Byzantine Greek, so that's how it was picked up in the Slavic adaptation. | Jul 02 22:05 |
| XRevan86 | that's also the source for the Ю letter | Jul 02 22:06 |
| MinceR | i didn't | Jul 02 22:06 |
| MinceR | i suspected the yu one | Jul 02 22:06 |
| MinceR | ы also looks like a digraph | Jul 02 22:06 |
| XRevan86 | MinceR: It is | Jul 02 22:06 |
| XRevan86 | Ъ and І | Jul 02 22:07 |
| XRevan86 | and Ю is І and Ѹ | Jul 02 22:08 |
| MinceR | looks like they forgot the у | Jul 02 22:08 |
| XRevan86 | Ъ was a broadening schwa, so I guess the idea was to make it longer by attaching an I to it. | Jul 02 22:08 |
| XRevan86 | in contemporary Cyrillic it would've made sense as Ъ as a broadening quality, so I + broadening, which is exactly was Ы is about | Jul 02 22:09 |
| XRevan86 | * as Ъ has a | Jul 02 22:09 |
| XRevan86 | MinceR: Apparently у got casually dropped pretty quickly | Jul 02 22:10 |
| XRevan86 | indeed funny since that's The letter that has the most meaning in the trigraph :) | Jul 02 22:11 |
| MinceR | but where did the tick that sets ъ apart from ь go? | Jul 02 22:11 |
| XRevan86 | MinceR: I can only guess it went looking for У in Ю | Jul 02 22:12 |
| MinceR | lol | Jul 02 22:12 |
| XRevan86 | I wanted to joke about how Cyrillic was perfect initially but then humans started adding bugs there | Jul 02 22:16 |
| XRevan86 | but ѹ is pretty much an added legacy from the get-go | Jul 02 22:16 |
| XRevan86 | That was removed later on. Win. | Jul 02 22:17 |
| XRevan86 | Initial Cyrillic also had redundant Greek letters added just to import the Greek numeric system. | Jul 02 22:17 |
| XRevan86 | They made no sense in Slavic, heck, they made no sense in Greek, but they were valid numerals, so… | Jul 02 22:18 |
| MinceR | they used to make sense in greek, didn't they? | Jul 02 22:19 |
| XRevan86 | and some letters were also added to make transliterations from Greek less lossy | Jul 02 22:19 |
| XRevan86 | MinceR: Ancient Greek | Jul 02 22:20 |
| *XRevan86 will now count the letters for i in Byzantine Greek | Jul 02 22:20 | |
| XRevan86 | 3 | Jul 02 22:21 |
| XRevan86 | also hamma can mean j, as I've learnt recently, but whatever | Jul 02 22:21 |
| XRevan86 | Η ita, Ι jota, Υ ipsilon | Jul 02 22:22 |
| MinceR | byzantine greek already had that degree of iotization? | Jul 02 22:23 |
| XRevan86 | MinceR: Η and Ι got into Cyrillic as И and І | Jul 02 22:24 |
| MinceR | wow | Jul 02 22:24 |
| MinceR | so what turned into Н in cyrillic? | Jul 02 22:24 |
| XRevan86 | and Υ… well, Ѹ was a digraph for a reason | Jul 02 22:24 |
| XRevan86 | in Byzantine Greek, just like in contemporary, without an omicron it means i | Jul 02 22:25 |
| MinceR | :) | Jul 02 22:26 |
| XRevan86 | This digraph exists since Ancient Greek, but I don't know what use they had for it then. | Jul 02 22:26 |
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| XRevan86 | > so what turned into Н in cyrillic? | Jul 02 22:26 |
| XRevan86 | Ν | Jul 02 22:26 |
| MinceR | crazy stuff | Jul 02 22:27 |
| XRevan86 | That's probably the worst thing that happened to Cyrillic from a Greek comprehension perspective | Jul 02 22:27 |
| XRevan86 | MinceR: An actual Russian reversal *ba-dum-tsss* | Jul 02 22:27 |
| MinceR | also, why is it called "cyrillic" if Cyrill and Metod came up with glagolitic and Peter the Great came up with "cyrillic"? | Jul 02 22:27 |
| XRevan86 | MinceR: Peter the Great didn't come up with it, he just revised it a little. Picked his most favourite variants of letters and made them standard, imported some visual styles from Latin… | Jul 02 22:29 |
| MinceR | well, i can't see the similarity between glagolitic and cyrillic | Jul 02 22:29 |
| MinceR | was there something else in between? | Jul 02 22:29 |
| XRevan86 | MinceR: Oh, there is a similiarity | Jul 02 22:29 |
| XRevan86 | MinceR: Original Gragolitic and original Cyrillic are 1-to-1 mapped | Jul 02 22:29 |
| XRevan86 | MinceR: I think consensus is that Cyrill and Methodius came up with Glagolitic and then some their disciples took the Greek letters | Jul 02 22:31 |
| MinceR | ic | Jul 02 22:31 |
| MinceR | and what did Peter change about it? | Jul 02 22:31 |
| XRevan86 | MinceR: It makes sense to me to honour Cyrill and Methodius, as making the initial alphabet was probably the hardest part | Jul 02 22:31 |
| MinceR | so let's honor the canaanites then :> | Jul 02 22:31 |
| XRevan86 | as they had to come up with a theory of sounds, etc. | Jul 02 22:31 |
| MinceR | or the ancient egyptians :> | Jul 02 22:32 |
| XRevan86 | IIRC there were some alphabets before them, and they looked like Glagolitic | Jul 02 22:32 |
| XRevan86 | proto-Glagolitic %) | Jul 02 22:32 |
| XRevan86 | MinceR: All what was needed to move from Glagolitic to Cyrillic is just take a Greek/Glagolitic comparison table and circle around Greek letters that had a match. | Jul 02 22:34 |
| XRevan86 | > and what did Peter change about it? | Jul 02 22:35 |
| XRevan86 | MinceR: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reforms_of_Russian_orthography#18th-century_changes | Jul 02 22:35 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-en.wikipedia.org | Reforms of Russian orthography - Wikipedia | Jul 02 22:35 | |
| XRevan86 | MinceR: Even those letters that are unique to Slavic languages where taken from Glagolitic | Jul 02 22:37 |
| XRevan86 | like Ж | Jul 02 22:37 |
| XRevan86 | * were | Jul 02 22:37 |
| MinceR | ic | Jul 02 22:38 |
| XRevan86 | so the process of transition from Glagolitic to Cyrillic, as I guess, didn't require that much creative thought | Jul 02 22:38 |
| XRevan86 | just practical need | Jul 02 22:38 |
| XRevan86 | "boy am I annoyed by writing all these convoluted Slavic letters, I am done!" is how I imagine creation of Cyrillic | Jul 02 22:39 |
| MinceR | :> | Jul 02 22:39 |
| XRevan86 | > so let's honor the canaanites then, or the ancient egyptians :> | Jul 02 22:44 |
| XRevan86 | I didn't say that the name makes perfect sense, just that it's make some sense. | Jul 02 22:44 |
| XRevan86 | MinceR: The initial name "Glagolitic" is probably a better one. | Jul 02 22:44 |
| MinceR | :) | Jul 02 22:44 |
| XRevan86 | But, when making a fork, one has to pick another one | Jul 02 22:45 |
| MinceR | morton's fork | Jul 02 22:46 |
| XRevan86 | MinceR: Hm, interesting term, I have to remember it. | Jul 02 22:47 |
| MinceR | :) | Jul 02 22:47 |
| XRevan86 | MinceR: In runet it's usually called an Escobar axiom | Jul 02 22:47 |
| cubexyz | someone living modestly can afford higher taxes -> someone living extragantly can afford higher taxes | Jul 02 22:48 |
| cubexyz | higher taxes for everybody! | Jul 02 22:48 |
| cubexyz | bet he was popular | Jul 02 22:48 |
| XRevan86 | (not called after Pablo Escobar but after an obscure rock musician who picked that as a nickname :) ) | Jul 02 22:48 |
| cubexyz | extravagantly | Jul 02 22:48 |
| MinceR | :) | Jul 02 22:48 |
| XRevan86 | - Reporter: Do you feel a difference between Bomber and, say, this consert? | Jul 02 22:51 |
| XRevan86 | - Bredor's Escobar: Like that was shit, like this is shit. And these both shits are such that I fscked her mother in the mouth. | Jul 02 22:51 |
| XRevan86 | ( https://youtu.be/U6WbaPiMLAM ) | Jul 02 22:51 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-BREDOR - BRUTAL INTERVIEW - YouTube | Jul 02 22:51 | |
| XRevan86 | or https://invidio.us/watch?v=U6WbaPiMLAM | Jul 02 22:52 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-invidio.us | BREDOR - BRUTAL INTERVIEW - Invidious | Jul 02 22:52 | |
| XRevan86 | beautiful stuff | Jul 02 22:52 |
| XRevan86 | I've shown it here before %) | Jul 02 22:52 |
| MinceR | lol | Jul 02 22:52 |
| MinceR | i understand very little of this video | Jul 02 22:54 |
| XRevan86 | MinceR: That's probably for the better | Jul 02 22:54 |
| MinceR | :> | Jul 02 22:54 |
| XRevan86 | the translated part starts at 2:40 | Jul 02 22:54 |
| XRevan86 | MinceR: But you still can get the feeling what kind of people they are. | Jul 02 22:55 |
| XRevan86 | and with what intonations the phrase is said | Jul 02 22:55 |
| MinceR | :D | Jul 02 22:55 |
| MinceR | it has more to do with dicks than with shit, though | Jul 02 22:55 |
| XRevan86 | MinceR: Alas, there's no better translation into English. | Jul 02 22:56 |
| XRevan86 | MinceR: And you said you understand very little :) | Jul 02 22:56 |
| XRevan86 | MinceR: You've understood everything you needed to | Jul 02 22:56 |
| MinceR | :) | Jul 02 22:57 |
| MinceR | yeah, the usage of "dick" in english is too limited for a more accurate translation | Jul 02 22:57 |
| XRevan86 | The Escobar axiom applies in situations when both options are indistinguishably shit | Jul 02 22:58 |
| XRevan86 | Windows or macOS? | Jul 02 22:59 |
| MinceR | :> | Jul 02 22:59 |
| XRevan86 | Should I install Discord or Skype? | Jul 02 23:03 |
| XRevan86 | The Escobar axiom knows the answer. | Jul 02 23:03 |
| XRevan86 | very practical | Jul 02 23:03 |
| XRevan86 | WhatsApp and Facebook Messenger? | Jul 02 23:04 |
| XRevan86 | even this tough choice can be resolved! | Jul 02 23:04 |
| MinceR | :> | Jul 02 23:06 |
| XRevan86 | learn today how to apply time-tested Ukrainian wisdom into your business processes! | Jul 02 23:06 |
| MinceR | systemd/Linux distro 1 vs systemd/Linux distro 2 | Jul 02 23:06 |
| MinceR | what's with this 'шо' thing though? | Jul 02 23:09 |
| XRevan86 | MinceR: colloquial for что | Jul 02 23:09 |
| XRevan86 | just like чо | Jul 02 23:10 |
| MinceR | :) | Jul 02 23:10 |
| XRevan86 | / чё | Jul 02 23:10 |
| XRevan86 | MinceR: Most Russians say что like што, so that's a shortening with using што as a base | Jul 02 23:10 |
| XRevan86 | MinceR: Alternatively, it is from Ukrainian що (шчо, scho/shcho), same idea. | Jul 02 23:11 |
| MinceR | :) | Jul 02 23:11 |
| MinceR | what's RuNet? | Jul 02 23:11 |
| XRevan86 | MinceR: The Russian-speaking segment of the Internet. | Jul 02 23:11 |
| XRevan86 | not something clearly defined | Jul 02 23:12 |
| MinceR | lol, even the lurkmore.to transcript doesn't have everything about this interview | Jul 02 23:12 |
| XRevan86 | compilation of all the places on the Internet where everyone speaks Russian, Russian memes, phrases and jokes, etc. | Jul 02 23:12 |
| MinceR | http://lurkmore.to/Bredor | Jul 02 23:13 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-lurkmore.to | Bredor — Lurkmore | Jul 02 23:13 | |
| XRevan86 | MinceR: Okay, time to fill in the blanks :) | Jul 02 23:13 |
| MinceR | :) | Jul 02 23:14 |
| XRevan86 | MinceR: So far seems pretty complete | Jul 02 23:14 |
| XRevan86 | MinceR: It's complete | Jul 02 23:17 |
| MinceR | i wouldn't say things like "(что-то говорит про кокаин)" are complete :> | Jul 02 23:18 |
| XRevan86 | MinceR: Except for some incomprehensible fading-away parts, that I probably could try to fill in a bit more slightly. | Jul 02 23:18 |
| XRevan86 | MinceR: incomprehensible | Jul 02 23:18 |
| MinceR | "(неразборчиво)" | Jul 02 23:18 |
| XRevan86 | MinceR: incomprehensible, literally | Jul 02 23:19 |
| XRevan86 | inside brackets | Jul 02 23:19 |
| MinceR | shows how bad the recording is :> | Jul 02 23:19 |
| XRevan86 | MinceR: A lost trasure | Jul 02 23:19 |
| XRevan86 | treasure | Jul 02 23:19 |
| MinceR | youtube's automatic captioning struggled with it even more :> | Jul 02 23:19 |
| XRevan86 | > Но вопрос. Знает ли Эскобар, что вошёл в историю диалектики введением своей фундаментальной аксиомы? | Jul 02 23:22 |
| XRevan86 | YouTube comments ask important questions | Jul 02 23:23 |
| MinceR | lol | Jul 02 23:23 |
| XRevan86 | > Does Escobar know that he made it into the history of dialectics with his fundamental axiom? | Jul 02 23:25 |
| XRevan86 | (translation of the YouTube comment question above) | Jul 02 23:26 |
| MinceR | ah, found something in english | Jul 02 23:26 |
| MinceR | https://www.metal-archives.com/bands/Bredor/69019 | Jul 02 23:26 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.metal-archives.com | Bredor - Encyclopaedia Metallum: The Metal Archives | Jul 02 23:26 | |
| XRevan86 | Added on: 2006-06-08 08:37:39 | Jul 02 23:28 |
| XRevan86 | Last modified on: 2019-04-20 16:47:03 | Jul 02 23:28 |
| XRevan86 | MinceR: The article is not very verbose. A pity. | Jul 02 23:29 |
| MinceR | indeed | Jul 02 23:29 |
| ---MinceR gives voice to acer-box__ libertybox | Jul 02 23:31 | |
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| XRevan86 | I guess I could spell the name Eskobar just to avoid ambiguity (: | Jul 02 23:44 |
| XRevan86 | with a lesser known drug dealer | Jul 02 23:44 |
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| XRevan86 | https://pleroma.site/objects/6472e48c-45c2-401f-9d68-601bca8d0834 hmmm | Jul 03 00:43 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-pleroma.site | Pleroma | Jul 03 00:43 | |
| XRevan86 | "shashlik" – this is relevant to the Kiev/Kyev distinction | Jul 03 00:44 |
| XRevan86 | A proper transliteration from Russian would be "shashlyk", but somehow no one cares (: | Jul 03 00:45 |
| scientes | > a deal with Britain’s National Health Service to process medical data for research. | Jul 03 00:46 |
| scientes | oh wow | Jul 03 00:46 |
| scientes | I've never had the spicy rear end issue | Jul 03 00:46 |
| scientes | athough i have heard about it | Jul 03 00:47 |
| XRevan86 | I focus more on Kiev/Kyev than Kiev/Kiiv, the first vowel rather than the second, as the second is actually phonetically the same between Greater Russian and Ukrainian, the only difference being that Ukrainian spellings reflect that. | Jul 03 00:47 |
| XRevan86 | So in terms of de-moscovication it makes even less sense. | Jul 03 00:48 |
| XRevan86 | scientes: I haven't personally tried shawarma, unlike shashlik | Jul 03 00:48 |
| XRevan86 | Shashlik is… the best thing ever. I'm offended by schestowitz confusing something else for it :D | Jul 03 00:50 |
| scientes | oh yeah they have that here | Jul 03 00:51 |
| scientes | its OK | Jul 03 00:51 |
| scientes | I mean t not the most amazing thing in the world | Jul 03 00:51 |
| scientes | I think here they sometimes make it with ham too | Jul 03 00:51 |
| XRevan86 | Did I overhype it? | Jul 03 00:51 |
| scientes | Its just if you really like meat | Jul 03 00:52 |
| XRevan86 | Now it doesn't meet expectations %) | Jul 03 00:52 |
| scientes | I prefer aguacate to be honest. | Jul 03 00:52 |
| scientes | shashlik on the other hand | Jul 03 00:53 |
| scientes | they have that here with beef heart | Jul 03 00:53 |
| scientes | its pretty good | Jul 03 00:53 |
| scientes | I forget what its called | Jul 03 00:53 |
| scientes | anticuchos | Jul 03 00:54 |
| scientes | https://es.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anticucho | Jul 03 00:54 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-es.wikipedia.org | Anticucho - Wikipedia, la enciclopedia libre | Jul 03 00:54 | |
| XRevan86 | This… does look like shashlik… | Jul 03 00:55 |
| XRevan86 | Native American shashlik | Jul 03 00:55 |
| scientes | how is it differn't | Jul 03 00:55 |
| scientes | its just a kabob | Jul 03 00:55 |
| scientes | kabobs are not complicated | Jul 03 00:55 |
| XRevan86 | scientes: Shashlik and kebab are the same thing. | Jul 03 00:56 |
| scientes | and so is anticucho | Jul 03 00:57 |
| XRevan86 | At least for me. I guess I am supposed to use the word in English solely for the local ones. | Jul 03 00:57 |
| XRevan86 | Like with blini (bliny), I'd classify all pancakes as such. With some exceptions. | Jul 03 00:58 |
| scientes | there are def. exceptions | Jul 03 00:58 |
| XRevan86 | And like kasha, which any porridge. | Jul 03 00:58 |
| scientes | like a crepe that is high in butter | Jul 03 00:58 |
| scientes | *high in egg | Jul 03 00:59 |
| scientes | is very differn't from a high-in-flour pancake | Jul 03 00:59 |
| XRevan86 | scientes: Looks like a blin to me | Jul 03 00:59 |
| scientes | and what about a waffle? | Jul 03 00:59 |
| XRevan86 | What do you, russian Wikipedia calls then thin blinchiki | Jul 03 01:00 |
| XRevan86 | What do you know* | Jul 03 01:00 |
| XRevan86 | scientes: Is waffle a pancake? | Jul 03 01:01 |
| scientes | blinchiki, you've never had one? | Jul 03 01:01 |
| scientes | Blintzes | Jul 03 01:02 |
| XRevan86 | scientes: waffles? sure. I'd never classify them as pancakes though. | Jul 03 01:02 |
| scientes | the point of a waffle is that you can put more syrup and butter on it | Jul 03 01:02 |
| XRevan86 | scientes: There are also oladyi and syrniki that are pancakes but not blini | Jul 03 01:03 |
| scientes | I use to eat fish cakes | Jul 03 01:03 |
| XRevan86 | oh, and draniki | Jul 03 01:03 |
| scientes | syrnik is more of a dumpling | Jul 03 01:03 |
| scientes | ahh yes draniki | Jul 03 01:03 |
| scientes | latkas | Jul 03 01:04 |
| scientes | big jewish thing | Jul 03 01:04 |
| scientes | (because its so cheap) | Jul 03 01:04 |
| XRevan86 | scientes: a dumpling? you mean like something wrapped in dough? | Jul 03 01:04 |
| scientes | tiddish | Jul 03 01:04 |
| scientes | *yiddish | Jul 03 01:04 |
| scientes | XRevan86, yes, and then cooked in soup | Jul 03 01:04 |
| scientes | https://duckduckgo.com/?q=chicken+dumplings&t=ffab&ia=images&iax=images | Jul 03 01:04 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-chicken dumplings at DuckDuckGo | Jul 03 01:04 | |
| XRevan86 | scientes: No, that's not syrniki | Jul 03 01:04 |
| scientes | draniki | Jul 03 01:05 |
| scientes | https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Potato_pancake | Jul 03 01:05 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-en.wikipedia.org | Potato pancake - Wikipedia | Jul 03 01:05 | |
| XRevan86 | scientes: syrniki are curd cheese pancakes | Jul 03 01:05 |
| scientes | oh those are good | Jul 03 01:05 |
| scientes | haven't had cooked curd for a long time | Jul 03 01:06 |
| scientes | I got quite a bit of work done today, despite talking to you so much | Jul 03 01:06 |
| XRevan86 | Dumplings cooked in soup… I think I know what you are talking about, but I forgot the word. | Jul 03 01:06 |
| scientes | this page needs more pictures https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Waffle | Jul 03 01:07 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-en.wikipedia.org | Waffle - Wikipedia | Jul 03 01:07 | |
| XRevan86 | Kluski | Jul 03 01:08 |
| XRevan86 | Or Klyotski in Russian | Jul 03 01:09 |
| XRevan86 | scientes: Was that what you confused for syrniki? | Jul 03 01:09 |
| scientes | i just didn't look into it | Jul 03 01:10 |
| scientes | nah never had kluski | Jul 03 01:10 |
| scientes | and when i search for klyotski i get this https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Klotski | Jul 03 01:11 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-en.wikipedia.org | Klotski - Wikipedia | Jul 03 01:11 | |
| XRevan86 | scientes: kluski and klyotski are the same thing | Jul 03 01:11 |
| scientes | yeah but that is a game | Jul 03 01:12 |
| scientes | not a food | Jul 03 01:12 |
| scientes | oh yes kluski | Jul 03 01:12 |
| scientes | it didn't look that great | Jul 03 01:12 |
| *scientes wants to try a stroopwafels | Jul 03 01:12 | |
| scientes | https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Weichwaffeleisen.jpg | Jul 03 01:13 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-en.wikipedia.org | File:Weichwaffeleisen.jpg - Wikipedia | Jul 03 01:13 | |
| scientes | https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Waffle_iron_in_shape_of_Texas.JPG | Jul 03 01:13 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-en.wikipedia.org | File:Waffle iron in shape of Texas.JPG - Wikipedia | Jul 03 01:13 | |
| XRevan86 | scientes: The variety that tried is pretty simple and inoffensive, just a tasty little piece of dough. | Jul 03 01:14 |
| scientes | yeah but it isn't even deep fried | Jul 03 01:14 |
| XRevan86 | scientes: Of course not, it's part of a soup | Jul 03 01:15 |
| XRevan86 | scientes: On an unrelated note, have you tried meringues? | Jul 03 01:15 |
| scientes | yeah but if i go out i want something deep fried | Jul 03 01:16 |
| scientes | because i can't do that at home | Jul 03 01:16 |
| scientes | around here there is salchipapa | Jul 03 01:16 |
| XRevan86 | scientes: I didn't say "don't try this at home" :P | Jul 03 01:16 |
| scientes | meringues | Jul 03 01:17 |
| scientes | oh yeah, plenty of cheap ones | Jul 03 01:17 |
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| XRevan86 | scientes: I wonder if anywhere else in the world there's an industry of freezed meat dumplings to just be boiled in water | Jul 03 01:24 |
| scientes | of coruse | Jul 03 01:25 |
| scientes | course | Jul 03 01:25 |
| scientes | Costco and Trader Joes is full of that type of stuff | Jul 03 01:25 |
| XRevan86 | scientes: How do they call it? | Jul 03 01:28 |
| scientes | I don't know | Jul 03 01:28 |
| scientes | but that is most of what Trader Joe's sells | Jul 03 01:28 |
| scientes | ready-to-eat type of of stuff | Jul 03 01:28 |
| scientes | there is more profit in that type of stuff | Jul 03 01:29 |
| XRevan86 | scientes: I'm curious about meat dumplings in partnership | Jul 03 01:29 |
| scientes | so Nook is shutting down and they will remotely delete all the content | Jul 03 01:30 |
| XRevan86 | particular. Thanks, autocompletion | Jul 03 01:30 |
| scientes | particular | Jul 03 01:30 |
| scientes | http://costcocouple.com/bibigo-steamed-dumplings/ | Jul 03 01:31 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-costcocouple.com | Bibigo Steamed Dumplings | Jul 03 01:31 | |
| scientes | https://www.costcobusinessdelivery.com/Ling-Ling-All-Natural-Potstickers%2c-Chicken-%2526-Vegetable%2c-4.2-lbs.product.11119811.html | Jul 03 01:31 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.costcobusinessdelivery.com | Ling Ling All Natural Potstickers, Chicken & Vegetable, 4.2 lbs | Jul 03 01:31 | |
| scientes | https://www.frolichawaii.com/stories/what-i-found-costco-beef-bulgogi-mandu | Jul 03 01:32 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.frolichawaii.com | What I found at Costco: Beef bulgogi mandu | Frolic Hawaii | Jul 03 01:32 | |
| scientes | that's what makes these companies all the money | Jul 03 01:32 |
| XRevan86 | Looks just like Khinkali | Jul 03 01:32 |
| scientes | expensive stuff like this | Jul 03 01:32 |
| XRevan86 | scientes: Ugh, no weight in *real* units | Jul 03 01:34 |
| scientes | thats typical | Jul 03 01:34 |
| XRevan86 | How am I to compare the price? %) | Jul 03 01:34 |
| scientes | like that vodka picture i posted yesterday | Jul 03 01:34 |
| scientes | did you notice it was taped to a bottle of sugar water? | Jul 03 01:34 |
| scientes | that is so you can't comparison shop | Jul 03 01:34 |
| XRevan86 | scientes: Was it weighed in parrots too? | Jul 03 01:34 |
| XRevan86 | scientes: Uh, what? | Jul 03 01:35 |
| scientes | XRevan86, the metric world uses pounds too | Jul 03 01:35 |
| XRevan86 | scientes: No, we have roubles here | Jul 03 01:36 |
| scientes | https:/imgur.com/a/pgTIWqS | Jul 03 01:36 |
| scientes | the weight measure, not the money | Jul 03 01:37 |
| scientes | ^see the packing tape | Jul 03 01:37 |
| scientes | they sell two items together, with one item "free", but the whole point is to prevent you from doing math | Jul 03 01:37 |
| scientes | like if you buy a big bag of rice, it will often come with a small bottle of cooking oil taped to it | Jul 03 01:38 |
| scientes | also 4.2 pounds is just another way of saying 2 kg https://www.costcobusinessdelivery.com/Ling-Ling-All-Natural-Potstickers%2c-Chicken-%2526-Vegetable%2c-4.2-lbs.product.11119811.html | Jul 03 01:38 |
| XRevan86 | scientes: Thank goodness the local shops didn't think of that. | Jul 03 01:38 |
| scientes | yeah its pretty genious | Jul 03 01:39 |
| scientes | *genius | Jul 03 01:39 |
| XRevan86 | oz is 28g | Jul 03 01:40 |
| scientes | oh yeah that a nutty one | Jul 03 01:40 |
| scientes | and there are many differn't ozes | Jul 03 01:40 |
| scientes | an imperial oz weights less than a troy oz, but a troy lb weighs more than an imperial lb | Jul 03 01:40 |
| XRevan86 | scientes: Yea, yea, but I'm interested in the dumpling kind | Jul 03 01:40 |
| scientes | an imperial oz weights less than a troy oz, but a troy lb weighs *less than an imperial lb | Jul 03 01:40 |
| scientes | because there are 12 troy ozes to a troy lb, and 16 imperial ozes to an imperial lb | Jul 03 01:41 |
| scientes | its insane | Jul 03 01:41 |
| scientes | there are also a billion differn't miles | Jul 03 01:42 |
| scientes | a statue mile is slightly differnt from an imperial mile | Jul 03 01:42 |
| XRevan86 | So $12/kg | Jul 03 01:42 |
| scientes | that's actually pretty good | Jul 03 01:42 |
| scientes | usually that type of stuff is more expensive | Jul 03 01:43 |
| scientes | but i guess it is costco | Jul 03 01:43 |
| scientes | you have to pay $100/year just to buy anything from there | Jul 03 01:43 |
| XRevan86 | … and that's expensive as heck | Jul 03 01:43 |
| scientes | yeah I said, that is how these companies make their money | Jul 03 01:43 |
| XRevan86 | And now you say they're usually more expensive | Jul 03 01:43 |
| cubexyz | how much for 1 kg of chocolate covered almonds? | Jul 03 01:44 |
| scientes | cubexyz, in Cusco you can buy 200g of raw 100% chocolate for $1.30 | Jul 03 01:44 |
| cubexyz | just curious what the prices are in other countries, it's getting quite expensive here | Jul 03 01:44 |
| scientes | which is pretty insane considering that the commodity price is $2.47/kg | Jul 03 01:45 |
| XRevan86 | cubexyz: Meat is pretty expensive in Russia, but not Costco expensive. | Jul 03 01:45 |
| scientes | XRevan86, that is not just meat, it is pre-prepared | Jul 03 01:46 |
| cubexyz | XRevan86, how much for 1 kg of chocolated covered almonds in Russia? | Jul 03 01:46 |
| scientes | which is the most expensive stuff those places sell | Jul 03 01:46 |
| scientes | especially as it is mostly cheap filler | Jul 03 01:46 |
| scientes | cubexyz, in the US it is $5/half kilo | Jul 03 01:46 |
| scientes | at trader joes | Jul 03 01:46 |
| XRevan86 | scientes: Either way. | Jul 03 01:46 |
| cubexyz | ah | Jul 03 01:46 |
| cubexyz | that's a bit better than here then | Jul 03 01:47 |
| scientes | that is 73% | Jul 03 01:47 |
| scientes | yeah but that is the best price you can get | Jul 03 01:47 |
| scientes | or 54% with almonds | Jul 03 01:47 |
| XRevan86 | cubexyz: First I need to figure out what that is. | Jul 03 01:47 |
| scientes | cubexyz, yeah but look at that Peru price | Jul 03 01:48 |
| scientes | its $7/actual kilo (100%) and the commodity costs $2.5 | Jul 03 01:48 |
| scientes | (and that is when you but a few metric tons | Jul 03 01:49 |
| scientes | also, I heard that many of these countries that grow cocoa don't even have the equitment to refine it | Jul 03 01:49 |
| XRevan86 | Миндаль в шоколаде, got it. | Jul 03 01:50 |
| cubexyz | I was getting 900 grams for $7 for a while | Jul 03 01:50 |
| cubexyz | but they sold out... a pity | Jul 03 01:50 |
| scientes | you certainly counldnt buy it in Costa Rica | Jul 03 01:50 |
| scientes | what %? | Jul 03 01:50 |
| cubexyz | good question, let me check | Jul 03 01:50 |
| scientes | cause around here you can only get 100% | Jul 03 01:50 |
| scientes | which most people don't even like | Jul 03 01:51 |
| scientes | amargo | Jul 03 01:51 |
| scientes | so there are two imperial US statute miles | Jul 03 01:52 |
| XRevan86 | If I were to go to the shop Lenta and pick their cheapest chocolate-coated almonds, I'd get it for 1000 roubles per kilogramme. | Jul 03 01:52 |
| scientes | one measure in feet, and another measured in meters | Jul 03 01:52 |
| XRevan86 | ~$16 | Jul 03 01:52 |
| scientes | yeah but those wont have much chocolate | Jul 03 01:53 |
| scientes | its all sugar | Jul 03 01:53 |
| scientes | the international mile is 25146/15625km and the statute mile is 5280 x 1200/3937 meters | Jul 03 01:53 |
| XRevan86 | There are more expensive options | Jul 03 01:54 |
| scientes | one international mile is 0.999998 U.S. survey miles | Jul 03 01:54 |
| XRevan86 | I just remembered that the prices for nuts are nuts | Jul 03 01:54 |
| scientes | Twenty-four states have legislated that surveying measures be based on the U.S. survey foot, eight have legislated that they be based on the international foot, and eighteen have not specified which conversion factor to use.[75] | Jul 03 01:54 |
| cubexyz | it doesn't really say how what the proprotions of sugar/chocolate are | Jul 03 01:55 |
| scientes | cubexyz, that means its shitty | Jul 03 01:55 |
| cubexyz | proportions | Jul 03 01:55 |
| scientes | in EU and RUssian(?) they have to by law | Jul 03 01:56 |
| XRevan86 | scientes: They have to order by proportions | Jul 03 01:56 |
| scientes | yeah that isn't the same | Jul 03 01:56 |
| scientes | if you ever seen European chocolate it has to say the percentage cocoa | Jul 03 01:57 |
| cubexyz | I thought the 73% dark chocolate covered almonds was a bit bitter | Jul 03 01:57 |
| scientes | heh, I like 93% | Jul 03 01:57 |
| scientes | that said, the 100% stuff here is a bit bitter | Jul 03 01:57 |
| XRevan86 | scientes: There are values for some ingredients, but I don't know for which they have to give those. | Jul 03 01:58 |
| scientes | it makes sense to mandate it for chocolate | Jul 03 01:58 |
| scientes | as it is $2.50 per kilo, around the price of meat | Jul 03 01:58 |
| cubexyz | whoa, 1000 rubles is like $20 CAD | Jul 03 01:58 |
| scientes | it use to be twice that | Jul 03 01:59 |
| scientes | russia recently went through a inflation crisis | Jul 03 01:59 |
| XRevan86 | I don't see a reason to mention that | Jul 03 02:00 |
| cubexyz | re: chocolate covered almonds (no doubt high sugar/low chocolate) I'm getting 400 grams for $7 CAD now | Jul 03 02:01 |
| XRevan86 | Not going through an inflation crisis, now that's news | Jul 03 02:01 |
| scientes | I have one ruble | Jul 03 02:02 |
| scientes | so inflation effects me quite a bit ;) | Jul 03 02:02 |
| XRevan86 | scientes: Are you afraid it'll become obsolete? :D | Jul 03 02:02 |
| cubexyz | MinceR mentioned hyperinflation in Hungary once time | Jul 03 02:03 |
| XRevan86 | scientes: "we only accept 100 roubles coupons minimum" | Jul 03 02:03 |
| cubexyz | evidently it was really bad... there was like a 10^21 pengo | Jul 03 02:03 |
| XRevan86 | scientes: Once the value of a single rouble is insignificant enough %) | Jul 03 02:04 |
| scientes | https://www.ebay.com/itm/AN-Zimbabwe-100-Trillion-Dollars-2008-P91-UNC/123820086233?hash=item1cd44093d9:g:w5sAAOSwCW9dGPtm | Jul 03 02:04 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-[AN] Zimbabwe 100 Trillion Dollars 2008 P91 UNC | eBay | Jul 03 02:04 | |
| scientes | I had one of those once | Jul 03 02:04 |
| scientes | that's what happens when you kick out the white farmers | Jul 03 02:06 |
| XRevan86 | scientes: whom? | Jul 03 02:06 |
| scientes | Zimbabwe | Jul 03 02:06 |
| XRevan86 | Accusative… | Jul 03 02:07 |
| scientes | Yes, I'm hinting at South Africa | Jul 03 02:07 |
| XRevan86 | "Zimbabwe" – who, "the white farmers" – whom | Jul 03 02:07 |
| scientes | well that is how zimbabwe saw it | Jul 03 02:08 |
| XRevan86 | Whom did Zimbabwe kick out? | Jul 03 02:08 |
| scientes | anyone who was white | Jul 03 02:08 |
| scientes | this is worth 500 sextillion third zimbabwe dollars | Jul 03 02:09 |
| scientes | https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Zimbabwe_fourth_dollar_-_$500_Obverse_(2009).jpg | Jul 03 02:09 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-en.wikipedia.org | File:Zimbabwe fourth dollar - $500 Obverse (2009).jpg - Wikipedia | Jul 03 02:09 | |
| XRevan86 | How could they even tell from a legal standpoint? Genetic testing on one of those pseudoscientific websites? | Jul 03 02:09 |
| scientes | most people don't know what a sextillion is however (10^12) so they had to re-denominate | Jul 03 02:09 |
| scientes | how can South Africa tell? | Jul 03 02:10 |
| scientes | you think these people care | Jul 03 02:10 |
| scientes | ? | Jul 03 02:10 |
| XRevan86 | And what's the political background? Nationalism? | Jul 03 02:10 |
| scientes | https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xdu1Bf_OQe0 | Jul 03 02:10 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Heated debate on land expropriation without compensation between Afriforum's Ernst Roets & ANC + EFF - YouTube | Jul 03 02:10 | |
| XRevan86 | scientes: I know so little about African politics… | Jul 03 02:11 |
| scientes | that's a little long.... | Jul 03 02:11 |
| scientes | but that ended up passing | Jul 03 02:11 |
| scientes | so the South African government not has (claims) that it can sieze property from whites without giving them anything | Jul 03 02:11 |
| scientes | *now | Jul 03 02:11 |
| scientes | > saying that the white population should become domestic workers in black households. | Jul 03 02:12 |
| XRevan86 | scientes: A reversal, nice. Because a system where humans are born equal is too hard to sell | Jul 03 02:15 |
| scientes | https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rlAb-Gfeoyk | Jul 03 02:16 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Is China DESTROYING Africa? - YouTube | Jul 03 02:16 | |
| scientes | now he has to use green screens because he was kicked out of china | Jul 03 02:18 |
| scientes | i would have liked stuff about other countries, but they realized their subscribers want china | Jul 03 02:20 |
| scientes | this is really good https://vimeo.com/ondemand/conqueringnorthernchina | Jul 03 02:21 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Watch Conquering Northern China Online | Vimeo On Demand on Vimeo | Jul 03 02:21 | |
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| MinceR | cubexyz: yeah | Jul 03 06:45 |
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| schestowitz | MinceR: "patriot" seems like newspeak in the right wing now | Jul 03 08:04 |
| schestowitz | intolerance rebranded patriotism | Jul 03 08:04 |
| MinceR | :> | Jul 03 08:05 |
| schestowitz | I wrote something to that effect just now | Jul 03 08:05 |
| MinceR | patriotic correctness | Jul 03 08:05 |
| schestowitz | I just noticed that word thrown around | Jul 03 08:05 |
| schestowitz | in the US and France | Jul 03 08:05 |
| schestowitz | not as much here in England | Jul 03 08:05 |
| MinceR | yet | Jul 03 08:05 |
| schestowitz | parties of phobia are just "the patriots" | Jul 03 08:06 |
| schestowitz | it's disguising with a flag/nationality something ethnic | Jul 03 08:06 |
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| schestowitz | as if all nations were always inbred | Jul 03 08:06 |
| schestowitz | I can barely think of one example | Jul 03 08:07 |
| schestowitz | not even Scandinavians | Jul 03 08:07 |
| schestowitz | there are "types" there | Jul 03 08:07 |
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| schestowitz | Even China | Jul 03 08:07 |
| schestowitz | lots of ethnicities there, distinguishable visually too, but not so much to foreigners/outsiders | Jul 03 08:08 |
| MinceR | and they're all disregaded except for the Han | Jul 03 08:08 |
| MinceR | s/gad/gard/ | Jul 03 08:08 |
| schestowitz | or discarded | Jul 03 08:09 |
| schestowitz | under a tank or something | Jul 03 08:09 |
| schestowitz | HK people look more like southeast Asians | Jul 03 08:09 |
| schestowitz | some Chinese look similar to japanese | Jul 03 08:09 |
| schestowitz | Some Mongol | Jul 03 08:09 |
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| XRevan86 | schestowitz: Pútriots | Jul 03 12:48 |
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| schestowitz | U SAP AT RIOT Act | Jul 03 13:13 |
| scientes | what was the currency of the French empire? | Jul 03 13:36 |
| scientes | when the word "hotel" came about | Jul 03 13:36 |
| scientes | like when they were in other countries did they pay with Napoleans? | Jul 03 13:37 |
| scientes | oh they were pure gold | Jul 03 13:37 |
| scientes | so of course they were accepted | Jul 03 13:37 |
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| XRevan86 | https://twitter.com/KasatkinElijah/status/1146387157038305282 | Jul 03 15:38 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@KasatkinElijah: @lifeatgoogle @Google She's typing code at 00:17 which literally says "govno jopa barebuh suka pidor gopa" which me… https://t.co/lBFbalMMQR | Jul 03 15:38 | |
| XRevan86 | Proof that there are Russians at Google %) | Jul 03 15:38 |
| schestowitz | Brin was born in Russia | Jul 03 15:39 |
| schestowitz | probably still dual-national, so | Jul 03 15:39 |
| XRevan86 | Evidence of how Brin spends his free time then | Jul 03 15:42 |
| superkuh | Who cares about his national origin? | Jul 03 15:54 |
| superkuh | His behavior is that of someone super chummy with the state dept. | Jul 03 15:54 |
| XRevan86 | The laptop also has ЙЦУКЕН. Not easily noticeable. | Jul 03 16:13 |
| XRevan86 | it must be an actual laptop of an employee | Jul 03 16:14 |
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| MinceR | https://full.pr0gramm.com/2019/06/05/086bf937bf221cb6.png | Jul 03 20:05 |
| MinceR | https://www.mcsweeneys.net/articles/lesser-known-trolley-problem-variations | Jul 03 20:23 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.mcsweeneys.net | Lesser-Known Trolley Problem Variations - McSweeney’s Internet Tendency | Jul 03 20:23 | |
| MinceR | https://img.pr0gramm.com/2019/06/05/6709ae1c6701cd10.jpg | Jul 03 20:59 |
| scientes | https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bmGmpvtqvHY | Jul 03 21:07 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-El Himno Nacional publicado por el Presidente en Twitter - YouTube | Jul 03 21:07 | |
| scientes | Wow, that was a pretty powerful advertisement for Bolivia | Jul 03 21:08 |
| scientes | whether this industrial thing is reality, maybe. | Jul 03 21:08 |
| scientes | or rather, probably not | Jul 03 21:08 |
| scientes | seems like there is token chinese manufacturing in that video | Jul 03 21:10 |
| scientes | https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2MJm3SOhAo8 | Jul 03 21:10 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Bolivia Resists China’s Subversion - YouTube | Jul 03 21:10 | |
| scientes | ahh yes | Jul 03 21:13 |
| scientes | > China provided support for the establishment of the Bolivian Space Agency and the launch of its first satellite in 2014 for a total cost of US $300 million. | Jul 03 21:13 |
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| MinceR | https://img.pr0gramm.com/2019/05/27/8ff9292af1f6aa34.jpg | Jul 03 21:20 |
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| scientes | MinceR, nice | Jul 03 21:22 |
| schestowitz | scientes: he finds good things | Jul 03 21:30 |
| scientes | hehehe | Jul 03 21:30 |
| schestowitz | buildings nearby look very English | Jul 03 21:31 |
| scientes | or German, et cetera | Jul 03 21:32 |
| scientes | yeah i can't read the street sign | Jul 03 21:32 |
| schestowitz | german architecture and material are a tad different | Jul 03 21:33 |
| schestowitz | like the quarry/brick | Jul 03 21:34 |
| scientes | isn't most of that stuff destroyed in both England and Germany however? | Jul 03 21:36 |
| schestowitz | everywhere | Jul 03 21:37 |
| scientes | Valor actual: $58.599 | Jul 03 21:37 |
| scientes | never seen 9/10th of a cent except for gas prices (where it is always 9/10ths) | Jul 03 21:38 |
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| MinceR | https://img.pr0gramm.com/2019/06/05/ba5157f52d86b09c.gif | Jul 03 21:53 |
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| scientes | the price for a ticket from Lima to Santiago is like $30 more if you buy it in English | Jul 03 21:57 |
| scientes | oh it must be taxes for non-Chile citizens, cause the price went back up | Jul 03 21:59 |
| MinceR | is it subsidized for chilean citizens? | Jul 03 22:02 |
| scientes | nah probably a tourist fee | Jul 03 22:05 |
| MinceR | https://i.imgur.com/wwInptd.jpg https://i.imgur.com/8GhEm7s.jpg https://i.imgur.com/SmD15tz.jpg https://i.imgur.com/0k4cm0p.jpg https://i.imgur.com/kWKoqUZ.jpg | Jul 03 22:05 |
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| MinceR | https://img.pr0gramm.com/2019/06/05/6dbc75bfb653700a.jpg | Jul 03 22:15 |
| MinceR | Escobar's Axiom? | Jul 03 22:15 |
| XRevan86 | MinceR: A whole new twist | Jul 03 22:17 |
| schestowitz | is shit a gender now? | Jul 03 22:18 |
| schestowitz | does shit have a gender? | Jul 03 22:18 |
| MinceR | :> | Jul 03 22:18 |
| schestowitz | I guess it has enough dna in it to decipher gender of origin | Jul 03 22:18 |
| schestowitz | and ethnicity etc. | Jul 03 22:18 |
| schestowitz | but I wouldn't want to be the scientists extracting shit dna for forensics | Jul 03 22:19 |
| XRevan86 | schestowitz: MinceR employed the Escobar's Axiom. It states that both genders are indistinguishably shit. | Jul 03 22:24 |
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| MinceR | https://ircz.de/p/19062039 | Jul 03 22:45 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-ircz.de | IRCZ makes your life worth living Post object | Jul 03 22:45 | |
| scientes | MinceR, oh that is good | Jul 03 22:46 |
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| scientes | <XRevan86> schestowitz: MinceR employed the Escobar's Axiom. It states that both genders are indistinguishably shit. | Jul 03 22:46 |
| schestowitz | MinceR: I think I hear similar jokes before | Jul 03 22:50 |
| schestowitz | variations of it | Jul 03 22:50 |
| scientes | 2.6GB in 2006 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:2GB-MO-disk.jpg | Jul 03 22:52 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-en.wikipedia.org | File:2GB-MO-disk.jpg - Wikipedia | Jul 03 22:52 | |
| MinceR | https://ircz.de/p/19062033 | Jul 03 23:06 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-ircz.de | IRCZ makes your life worth living Post object | Jul 03 23:06 | |
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| scientes | In Spanish they say "novacientos" for 1900s, but I'm not sure if it means the whole century, or just 10 years | Jul 04 03:11 |
| scientes | I guess its shorter than sigla IX | Jul 04 03:11 |
| scientes | (and yes, they use roman numerals for some strange reason....) | Jul 04 03:12 |
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| MinceR | https://i.imgur.com/jEvR1aa.gifv | Jul 04 12:12 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-i.imgur.com | Imgur | Jul 04 12:12 | |
| MinceR | https://img.pr0gramm.com/2019/05/27/29c40a90cb16db26.jpg | Jul 04 12:19 |
| schestowitz | http://ipkitten.blogspot.com/2019/06/guest-post-growing-war-on-intellectual.html?showComment=1562177328610#c7652274591942043777 | Jul 04 12:26 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-ipkitten.blogspot.com | Guest post: "Growing war on intellectual property, a threat to health for all" - The IPKat | Jul 04 12:26 | |
| schestowitz | "There are several reasons for higher prices for insulin. First, list prices are only ever mentioned since no one knows what discounts and rebates exist throughout the supply chain – and they are significant. Utilization and prescribing has shifted from the old human insulin to the newer and faster acting/more consistent human insulin analogues. However in many cases patients prescribed the more expensive analogues do not need them and | Jul 04 12:26 |
| schestowitz | could do just as well on the old meds. Finally, formulary decisions are seldom patient friendly. The new analogues are more expensive but insurance coverage remains the same so higher co-pays and out-of-pocket payments result for the patient (let alone the dough-nut mentioned above)." | Jul 04 12:26 |
| schestowitz | "I agree. See my replies above re lack of insurance coverage (public or private) as well as differential pricing." | Jul 04 12:26 |
| schestowitz | "Americans theoretically have access to all the medicines they will ever need but this means nothing if they cant afford them, as borne out by the article in Neil's comment" http://ipkitten.blogspot.com/2019/06/guest-post-growing-war-on-intellectual.html?showComment=1562154801032#c8146706833650795979 | Jul 04 12:28 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-ipkitten.blogspot.com | Guest post: "Growing war on intellectual property, a threat to health for all" - The IPKat | Jul 04 12:28 | |
| schestowitz | "Regarding the statement "Countries with price controls and weak IP protection have worse access to medication", it is worth bearing in mind that "access to medication" does not mean that the average person is able to afford the medication they need. Americans theoretically have access to all the medicines they will ever need but this means nothing if they cant afford them, as borne out by the article in Neil's comment" | Jul 04 12:28 |
| oiaohm | schestowitz: https://www.drugwatch.com/featured/us-drug-prices-higher-vs-world/ USA drug price is way higher than most of the world. | Jul 04 12:31 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.drugwatch.com | US Drug Prices vs The World | Jul 04 12:31 | |
| oiaohm | Not that quality any better. | Jul 04 12:31 |
| oiaohm | schestowitz: stupid part here is drugs made in the USA and shipped to Australia sell for basically 60% of their marked price in the USA. | Jul 04 12:33 |
| oiaohm | Item with more shipping really should sell for more. | Jul 04 12:33 |
| oiaohm | Please note that 60% is before any government rebates and include Australian taxes. | Jul 04 12:33 |
| schestowitz | interesting | Jul 04 12:38 |
| schestowitz | i rarely read about this subject wrt aussie | Jul 04 12:38 |
| schestowitz | gurry of wipo is an aussie | Jul 04 12:38 |
| schestowitz | and he's a massive jerk | Jul 04 12:38 |
| schestowitz | "I try to keep most of these less speculative," he said, "more immediate. I am still a futurist, I think this is worth serious consideration. I believe the tools either could, or even do exist. AI is not general purpose yet. It is very flexible, it can do a lot of interesting things. I believe it can do this today, but certainly in the near future. What are your thoughts, should we add this one to the wiki? I've included a story to go with | Jul 04 13:05 |
| schestowitz | this one, if you are interested." | Jul 04 13:05 |
| MinceR | https://ircz.de/p/19062031 | Jul 04 14:21 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-ircz.de | IRCZ makes your life worth living Post object | Jul 04 14:22 | |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/We3forDemocracy/status/1146727033256337408 | Jul 04 14:31 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@We3forDemocracy: @schestowitz 🐘How can a non-profit make $80 million in profit?🐘 | Jul 04 14:31 | |
| MinceR | https://ircz.de/p/19061976 | Jul 04 14:34 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-ircz.de | IRCZ makes your life worth living Post object | Jul 04 14:34 | |
| schestowitz | MinceR: hang in there, ma'am | Jul 04 14:35 |
| MinceR | :> | Jul 04 14:37 |
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| MinceR | https://i.imgur.com/yxHPxLy.mp4 ( https://imgur.com/gallery/yxHPxLy ) | Jul 04 15:17 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-I could never work on this farm because all I would do is watch these baby goats sliding all day. - GIF on Imgur | Jul 04 15:17 | |
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| MinceR | (audio:unimportant) https://vid.pr0gramm.com/2019/06/04/aadd0e0ff2b71a41.mp4 | Jul 04 15:43 |
| XRevan86 | MinceR: Not as bad as most other face-slaps. | Jul 04 15:51 |
| MinceR | :) | Jul 04 15:52 |
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| schestowitz | MinceR: who is that eagleman? | Jul 04 17:24 |
| MinceR | probably some ancient egyptian god | Jul 04 17:26 |
| MinceR | maybe Horus | Jul 04 17:26 |
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| schestowitz | I bet there were still lots of eagles back then | Jul 04 17:28 |
| schestowitz | anyway, good art | Jul 04 17:29 |
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| MinceR | https://i.imgur.com/HYNZlUx.mp4 ( https://imgur.com/gallery/jSgd3nZ ) | Jul 04 19:49 |
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| XRevan86 | MinceR: I didn't get it until I saw the logo. Then I remembered. | Jul 04 19:57 |
| MinceR | :> | Jul 04 19:58 |
| XRevan86 | https://i.kinja-img.com/gawker-media/image/upload/s--slrfjNeW--/c_scale,fl_progressive,q_80,w_800/18qnpduzq8yoqjpg.jpg | Jul 04 19:58 |
| XRevan86 | One is a Mac Pro, another is a trash bin. It *is* possible to tell which's which, there are visual ques. | Jul 04 19:59 |
| XRevan86 | cues | Jul 04 19:59 |
| XRevan86 | https://i.ytimg.com/vi/8248HZtuQS8/maxresdefault.jpg | Jul 04 20:00 |
| cubexyz | macbook pro gets the lowest ifixit score of 1 out of 10 | Jul 04 20:01 |
| cubexyz | sorry, zero is the lowest -> for microsoft surface laptop | Jul 04 20:01 |
| XRevan86 | Mac Pro in a trash bin is an Apple matroshka | Jul 04 20:01 |
| XRevan86 | cubexyz: That is to be expected though. | Jul 04 20:04 |
| MinceR | it is also where it belongs | Jul 04 20:04 |
| XRevan86 | MinceR: Not true. It has recyclable materials. | Jul 04 20:04 |
| cubexyz | XRevan86, older macbooks had a somewhat better ifixit rating of 4 | Jul 04 20:04 |
| XRevan86 | cubexyz: The illness is progressing, that's not news either :). | Jul 04 20:05 |
| cubexyz | pentalobe screws in iphone? yes, designed to prevent consumer repair | Jul 04 20:11 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.bamsoftware.com | A better zip bomb | Jul 04 23:10 | |
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| decnet | Hi there all ... | Jul 05 09:48 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-ircz.de | IRCZ makes your life worth living Post object | Jul 05 11:13 | |
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| MinceR | https://www.reddit.com/r/ProgrammerHumor/comments/c9ckpq/npm_package_sizes_are_getting_out_of_hand/ | Jul 05 12:22 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.reddit.com | npm package sizes are getting out of hand : ProgrammerHumor | Jul 05 12:22 | |
| MinceR | https://i.redd.it/ywbqyw9sum731.jpg | Jul 05 12:54 |
| XRevan86 | kaniini: Juche really states that a person has to be self-reliant and the weak will be culled? | Jul 05 13:08 |
| kaniini | yes | Jul 05 13:08 |
| kaniini | that is 100% pure kim il sung | Jul 05 13:09 |
| XRevan86 | That's as far from the communist ideology as possible | Jul 05 13:09 |
| XRevan86 | Fun stuff %) | Jul 05 13:09 |
| kaniini | juche isn't communism | Jul 05 13:09 |
| kaniini | juche is dictatorship | Jul 05 13:09 |
| kaniini | masquerading as communism | Jul 05 13:09 |
| kaniini | XRevan86: well | Jul 05 13:10 |
| kaniini | XRevan86: the real wording is more like "those who are not helpful toward the revolution will be culled" | Jul 05 13:10 |
| kaniini | but considering this is an instance i started | Jul 05 13:10 |
| kaniini | to fuck with Gab | Jul 05 13:11 |
| kaniini | i don't think it really matters much | Jul 05 13:11 |
| XRevan86 | kaniini: Ah, that makes more Stalinist sense. | Jul 05 13:11 |
| XRevan86 | kaniini: You could replace the revolution with the fediverse %) | Jul 05 13:11 |
| XRevan86 | "Those who reduce the connectivity of the Fediverse will be culled" or something | Jul 05 13:13 |
| kaniini | ...why would i say that? | Jul 05 13:13 |
| kaniini | i fully support instance blocking | Jul 05 13:13 |
| kaniini | pleroma.site blocks instances | Jul 05 13:13 |
| kaniini | namely the instances which frequently piss us off | Jul 05 13:13 |
| kaniini | whereby us = basically everyone on the instance | Jul 05 13:13 |
| XRevan86 | kaniini: But not on juche.town, right? %) | Jul 05 13:14 |
| XRevan86 | But yea, that'd mean culling oneself | Jul 05 13:14 |
| XRevan86 | And culling reduces connectivity, so… | Jul 05 13:14 |
| kaniini | juche.town will not be blocking any instances, no | Jul 05 13:14 |
| kaniini | but i'm not going to punish users for doing stuff that makes others defederate it | Jul 05 13:14 |
| kaniini | i mean, i am literally advertising it as a Leftist Free Speech Zone | Jul 05 13:15 |
| kaniini | i fully expect many instances will be blocking it | Jul 05 13:15 |
| MinceR | lol | Jul 05 13:16 |
| XRevan86 | kaniini: Oh well, it not aligning with Juche is more of a feature anyway | Jul 05 13:18 |
| kaniini | *not* aligned with Juche? | Jul 05 13:18 |
| kaniini | bruh our CoC is based on the three principles of Juche laid out in "On The Juche Idea", a speech made by Kim Il Sung | Jul 05 13:19 |
| kaniini | the only thing i did was creatively interpret the first principle to be "don't be a whiney, sexist, homophobic, racist asshole" | Jul 05 13:19 |
| kaniini | which isn't too far off from the original material, actually | Jul 05 13:20 |
| kaniini | which is "don't fuck up the revolution" basically | Jul 05 13:20 |
| XRevan86 | kaniini: Kaniiche | Jul 05 13:20 |
| MinceR | lol | Jul 05 13:20 |
| XRevan86 | kaniini: Is "Glory to the Korean people" racist? | Jul 05 13:23 |
| kaniini | no | Jul 05 13:23 |
| kaniini | note i said nothing about nationalism | Jul 05 13:23 |
| kaniini | my inner anarchist wants to vomit, but for the sake of the troll... | Jul 05 13:23 |
| XRevan86 | kaniini: heh | Jul 05 13:24 |
| XRevan86 | kaniini: I've seen Americans use the word "racism" even towards nationalism | Jul 05 13:25 |
| XRevan86 | i.e. "they're racist against the Irish" | Jul 05 13:26 |
| XRevan86 | etc. | Jul 05 13:26 |
| XRevan86 | Albeit nationalism can be inward and outward, maybe only the latter is considered racism… | Jul 05 13:28 |
| XRevan86 | That is, when nationalism is about other nations being inferior | Jul 05 13:30 |
| XRevan86 | I feel like I'm failing at trying to classify these things | Jul 05 13:31 |
| XRevan86 | And it's not unprecedented for a pro-something nationalist movement to "suddenly" turn anti-everything else | Jul 05 13:38 |
| MinceR | that's because they don't know what race is | Jul 05 13:39 |
| XRevan86 | I look with caution at nationalists who day they only want their glorious nation to stay glorious. | Jul 05 13:40 |
| XRevan86 | * who say | Jul 05 13:40 |
| MinceR | glorious, compared to what? | Jul 05 13:41 |
| MinceR | how can they tell whether it's glorious or not? | Jul 05 13:42 |
| XRevan86 | MinceR: Each nation has its own gloriousness, I suppose. | Jul 05 13:45 |
| MinceR | sounds suspect | Jul 05 13:45 |
| XRevan86 | MinceR: If we look at Ukraine (Glory to Ukraine), then gloriousness is being cut off from Russia. If we look at the US, then it's not having affordable healthcare. | Jul 05 13:47 |
| MinceR | lol | Jul 05 13:47 |
| XRevan86 | https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Glory_to_Ukraine oh hey, a whole article | Jul 05 13:48 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-en.m.wikipedia.org | Glory to Ukraine - Wikipedia | Jul 05 13:48 | |
| XRevan86 | If we look at Russia… then it's having a glorious leader | Jul 05 13:53 |
| XRevan86 | a very particular one | Jul 05 13:54 |
| MinceR | bad news, as that leader isn't immortal | Jul 05 13:54 |
| XRevan86 | MinceR: Pfft, you say it like Alexander the Great or Joseph Stalin ever died | Jul 05 13:57 |
| MinceR | lol | Jul 05 13:59 |
| scientes | How much Russian would I have to know to do a programming (toolchain, not custom) job in Russia? | Jul 05 14:02 |
| scientes | I can work online in English, but then I wouldn't be able to get a visa | Jul 05 14:02 |
| XRevan86 | scientes: Don't know about how much you'd need to immigrate (if you were Gérard Depardieu then none) | Jul 05 14:04 |
| scientes | immigration with a HSMV looks not difficult | Jul 05 14:04 |
| scientes | My female friend asked at the immigration office and they refused to speak to her, typical bureaucratic bullshit. | Jul 05 14:05 |
| scientes | but that is the whole point of the HSMV | Jul 05 14:06 |
| scientes | https://www.rusemb.org.uk/skilledmigrant/ | Jul 05 14:06 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.rusemb.org.uk | Highly skilled migrant visa | Jul 05 14:06 | |
| scientes | > Gérard Depardieu | Jul 05 14:07 |
| scientes | the US actually has a whole class of Visa for that type of fooey | Jul 05 14:07 |
| scientes | ewwwwww, he so ugly and old and fat now https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:G%C3%A9rard_Depardieu_(Berlin_Film_Festival_2010).jpg | Jul 05 14:08 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-en.wikipedia.org | File:Gérard Depardieu (Berlin Film Festival 2010).jpg - Wikipedia | Jul 05 14:08 | |
| scientes | not particularly old, but def. ugly and fat | Jul 05 14:09 |
| XRevan86 | > How much Russian would I have to know to do a programming (toolchain, not custom) job in Russia? | Jul 05 14:11 |
| XRevan86 | I don't really know. Would depend on the company I guess. | Jul 05 14:11 |
| scientes | There was a group from Moscow U at the GNU Tools conference presenting a new libm a number of years back, which was exciting, but then when I and Sybolics Nagy looked into it it didn't work | Jul 05 14:12 |
| scientes | and Sybolics Nagy (ARM Ltd) has since basically re-wrote libm | Jul 05 14:12 |
| scientes | yeah I have a good contact at IBM that appreciates my work, but I really don't know how things work there (they do like their PhDs) | Jul 05 14:13 |
| XRevan86 | And there are many international companies here, too. | Jul 05 14:13 |
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| scientes | I'm currently working on a pretty valuable project (on my own time) in the hopes I can then ask for whatever I want when I complete it (not sure how to go about that), but it will probably be 6 months before I have something useful | Jul 05 14:14 |
| XRevan86 | scientes: If you don't mind my asking, why are you considering immigration to Russia? | Jul 05 14:14 |
| scientes | still might beat the inferior competition however | Jul 05 14:14 |
| scientes | Well I came to South America, and its basically just a 51st state | Jul 05 14:15 |
| XRevan86 | Is it political or a social call (female friend?) | Jul 05 14:15 |
| scientes | I mean China is very important to the copper exports here | Jul 05 14:15 |
| scientes | I really do need a better answer to that question however, as I am sure to get it more if I keep at this ;) | Jul 05 14:19 |
| XRevan86 | scientes: Definitely :) | Jul 05 14:19 |
| XRevan86 | scientes: The political situation here is pretty unpleasant right now, and the economic one too. | Jul 05 14:20 |
| scientes | its funny that in Peru there are people from Venezuela that are making money here and sending it back to Venezuela | Jul 05 14:20 |
| XRevan86 | Honest politicians are in another castle | Jul 05 14:20 |
| scientes | so the economic arbitrage is two-deap if you count me | Jul 05 14:21 |
| scientes | to mean Peru is the weaker cheaper economy, and to the Venezuelans it is the strong economy | Jul 05 14:21 |
| scientes | *to me | Jul 05 14:21 |
| XRevan86 | scientes: And the Russia's one is simply a shrinking one. | Jul 05 14:22 |
| scientes | The clothes I have been buying are made in Peru | Jul 05 14:23 |
| scientes | which was kinda cool | Jul 05 14:23 |
| scientes | (they still have English on them, eyeing the US market) | Jul 05 14:23 |
| scientes | the underpants say "Bostonian" lol | Jul 05 14:24 |
| XRevan86 | Glory to Bostonia | Jul 05 14:24 |
| schestowitz | [12:22] <MinceR> https://www.reddit.com/r/ProgrammerHumor/comments/c9ckpq/npm_package_sizes_are_getting_out_of_hand/ | Jul 05 14:25 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.reddit.com | npm package sizes are getting out of hand : ProgrammerHumor | Jul 05 14:25 | |
| schestowitz | no images hown | Jul 05 14:25 |
| schestowitz | shown | Jul 05 14:25 |
| scientes | > npm docker container... | Jul 05 14:25 |
| schestowitz | [13:13] <kaniini> pleroma.site blocks instances | Jul 05 14:27 |
| schestowitz | shitposter or similar... | Jul 05 14:27 |
| schestowitz | that's just what it says on the tin | Jul 05 14:27 |
| kaniini | shitposter is actually not blocked | Jul 05 14:27 |
| schestowitz | I gets lots of gab-style replies from there in pleroma | Jul 05 14:27 |
| kaniini | but it is one we are thinking about | Jul 05 14:27 |
| kaniini | we do block gab ;) | Jul 05 14:27 |
| kaniini | fuck thaaaaaaat | Jul 05 14:28 |
| schestowitz | no need to block | Jul 05 14:28 |
| schestowitz | I have my mental shitlist | Jul 05 14:28 |
| schestowitz | for shitposters | Jul 05 14:28 |
| MinceR | schestowitz: works for me, but the direct image link is https://i.redd.it/53lomuvzgf831.jpg | Jul 05 14:28 |
| kaniini | although on my uncensored instance | Jul 05 14:28 |
| kaniini | i do not block gab | Jul 05 14:28 |
| kaniini | but that is for the purpose of fucking with gab | Jul 05 14:28 |
| scientes | i don't consider that a shit post | Jul 05 14:28 |
| MinceR | maybe it needs media and XHR to be allowed from *.redd.it | Jul 05 14:29 |
| MinceR | though it says there are 0 from there now... | Jul 05 14:29 |
| scientes | schestowitz, maybe its the referrer header? | Jul 05 14:29 |
| schestowitz | from gab i got as many as a dozen death threats in a day | Jul 05 14:29 |
| *scientes use to block that -- referer [sic] header. the standard spelled it wrong lol | Jul 05 14:29 | |
| MinceR | scripts from *.redditstatic.com could also be the issue | Jul 05 14:29 |
| schestowitz | for as little of badmouthing a certain orange-painted dementia patient | Jul 05 14:29 |
| scientes | schestowitz, yep | Jul 05 14:29 |
| scientes | that's why I have to leave the US | Jul 05 14:29 |
| MinceR | if he was a patient, that would mean he's being treated | Jul 05 14:30 |
| scientes | and don't say "liberal" and "conservative"--it has nothing to do with that | Jul 05 14:30 |
| scientes | MinceR, if I were patient, that would mean I would put up with him. | Jul 05 14:30 |
| schestowitz | treating self with old tanks | Jul 05 14:30 |
| XRevan86 | scientes: You are aware Russia has a state-disrespect law, right? | Jul 05 14:30 |
| schestowitz | glory to the maniacs | Jul 05 14:31 |
| schestowitz | the dream of many maniacs | Jul 05 14:31 |
| schestowitz | if he can make it... blah blah | Jul 05 14:31 |
| XRevan86 | scientes: And the police casually monitors social networks (VK mostly) to get easy solved crimes. | Jul 05 14:31 |
| scientes | XRevan86, those things are much stronger in these days of computers | Jul 05 14:31 |
| schestowitz | meduza covers this a lot | Jul 05 14:31 |
| schestowitz | I need to catch up with Meduza this weekend | Jul 05 14:31 |
| schestowitz | 400 unread political news items | Jul 05 14:31 |
| MinceR | scientes: :) | Jul 05 14:32 |
| XRevan86 | scientes: All I'm saying is that "disrespecting" a politician is not a safe thing to do in Russia as well. | Jul 05 14:32 |
| XRevan86 | Even if the people are not as obsessed, there's always the police. | Jul 05 14:33 |
| scientes | Its difficult to get use to that when you are not use to it | Jul 05 14:34 |
| scientes | like there is def. survailance of that sort here in Peru, but I am kind of immune to any punishment because I am a US citizen | Jul 05 14:34 |
| XRevan86 | scientes: Honestly, you'd get a similiar treatment in Russia. | Jul 05 14:35 |
| scientes | because I talk about Peru's political problems in private conversations that are probably surveiled (I don't trust WhatsApp despite its encryption claims) | Jul 05 14:35 |
| scientes | or more like, environmental problems | Jul 05 14:36 |
| XRevan86 | https://youtu.be/uiJVLI6_SzU https://youtu.be/FW-YKeKoFyo | Jul 05 14:36 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Американец свободен! Москалей давить блядь! / Марш в поддержку Ивана Голунова - YouTube | Jul 05 14:36 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-“Я был на этом событии зрителем” - YouTube | Jul 05 14:36 | |
| kaniini | schestowitz: gab federates now | Jul 05 14:37 |
| kaniini | schestowitz: they have joined the fediverse | Jul 05 14:37 |
| MinceR | so how's freedom of speech in Peru and the rest of South America? | Jul 05 14:37 |
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| scientes | well you have to give your passport when you get a SIM-card | Jul 05 14:38 |
| scientes | but I don't really know | Jul 05 14:38 |
| MinceR | :> | Jul 05 14:38 |
| schestowitz | [14:37] <kaniini> schestowitz: they have joined the fediverse | Jul 05 14:38 |
| schestowitz | They sent out an email advertising it | Jul 05 14:38 |
| XRevan86 | ^ kind of amusing, the police realised they took an Usonian and then let him go. | Jul 05 14:38 |
| MinceR | :> | Jul 05 14:39 |
| schestowitz | but I stopped posting there after some nut who had followed tuxmachines there decided to massacre people | Jul 05 14:39 |
| scientes | XRevan86, yeah I'm watching it now, its quite interesting | Jul 05 14:39 |
| scientes | VOA | Jul 05 14:39 |
| XRevan86 | That's from the Golunov fraud accusation protests | Jul 05 14:39 |
| psydroid | I had to register when buying a German SIM card, so I gave them the address and postcode of a random hotel next to the shop where I bought it :) | Jul 05 14:39 |
| scientes | psydroid, yeah but when they ask for a passport, what are you going to do? | Jul 05 14:40 |
| MinceR | :> | Jul 05 14:40 |
| psydroid | scientes, have someone else buy and register me a SIM card or multiple of them | Jul 05 14:41 |
| scientes | yeah that would work | Jul 05 14:41 |
| psydroid | here in the Netherlands I don't have to register SIM cards ... yet | Jul 05 14:42 |
| scientes | neither in the US | Jul 05 14:42 |
| XRevan86 | They have to be registered in Russia. | Jul 05 14:43 |
| scientes | yes I knew that | Jul 05 14:43 |
| XRevan86 | this reminds me of the IM law :) | Jul 05 14:44 |
| XRevan86 | It doesn't seem to be heavily enforced yet. Thank goodness for that. | Jul 05 14:45 |
| scientes | ?? | Jul 05 14:45 |
| XRevan86 | scientes: All "messengers" have to authenticate their Russian users with phone numbers, passports, aŭ alia | Jul 05 14:46 |
| scientes | oh yeah, well Telegram is still alive and well in Russia | Jul 05 14:46 |
| XRevan86 | scientes: And it complies by design. | Jul 05 14:46 |
| scientes | but I saw that it gave me old messages so I didn't trust it after that | Jul 05 14:46 |
| XRevan86 | Unlike Matrix, XMPP, Freenode or even Wire | Jul 05 14:47 |
| scientes | Signal? | Jul 05 14:47 |
| XRevan86 | scientes: Signal also complies by design | Jul 05 14:47 |
| XRevan86 | mandatory phone number registration | Jul 05 14:47 |
| scientes | ok, i'll use Wire | Jul 05 14:47 |
| XRevan86 | scientes: Telegram has "cloud" message synchronisation, so duh | Jul 05 14:47 |
| scientes | yeah I saw that and dumped it | Jul 05 14:47 |
| XRevan86 | and their "secure chats" are not by default | Jul 05 14:48 |
| XRevan86 | and pretty limited – one cannot use them from the desktop client, for instance | Jul 05 14:48 |
| scientes | I once did OTR over Facebook, but they identified it as such in messanger, and later blocked that | Jul 05 14:48 |
| XRevan86 | Wire also synchronises messages, but they're E2EE'd, so that's kind of different. | Jul 05 14:49 |
| scientes | eek, I'd rather not have them syncronized | Jul 05 14:49 |
| scientes | even WhatsApp doesn't do that | Jul 05 14:49 |
| XRevan86 | And if you lose all keys, the messages will be lost. | Jul 05 14:49 |
| scientes | so I trust WhatsApp more | Jul 05 14:49 |
| scientes | (which is very little) | Jul 05 14:49 |
| scientes | any company that has deals with the ISPs is not to be trusted | Jul 05 14:49 |
| XRevan86 | scientes: XMPP MAM is opt-in or opt-out (or unsupported) depending on the client ;). | Jul 05 14:49 |
| scientes | yeah that video of the Usonian being release was interesting | Jul 05 14:52 |
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| XRevan86 | I am yet to see a violent protest in Russia, but the police always reacts as if molotovs are flying around. | Jul 05 14:55 |
| scientes | well that's what its like everywhere | Jul 05 14:55 |
| scientes | like when I protested the Iraq war | Jul 05 14:56 |
| scientes | (and Iran has that now) | Jul 05 14:56 |
| XRevan86 | Of course when "Cossacks" with nagaikas beat protesters, no one cares. | Jul 05 14:57 |
| scientes | 1990 seattle WTO protests | Jul 05 14:57 |
| scientes | The Little Prince (La Petite Prince) movie has a great portrayal of the police man and banker | Jul 05 15:01 |
| scientes | and adds a whole new section to the book | Jul 05 15:01 |
| XRevan86 | scientes: In Russia there's a constitutional right, but it is absolutely worthless. | Jul 05 15:02 |
| XRevan86 | to peacefully protest | Jul 05 15:02 |
| scientes | every country has that sort of thing | Jul 05 15:02 |
| scientes | including PRC | Jul 05 15:02 |
| scientes | there was a video where Putin was questioning letting people move from rural places to cities and then hes like "and its against the constitution" | Jul 05 15:03 |
| scientes | but he was def. considering it | Jul 05 15:03 |
| XRevan86 | scientes: what… | Jul 05 15:03 |
| scientes | ok, i said that wrong | Jul 05 15:03 |
| scientes | the context was in integration of migrants from other countries | Jul 05 15:04 |
| scientes | and criticizing the US's lack of an integration policy | Jul 05 15:04 |
| scientes | so he mentioned that the soviet's did let people move willy-nilly | Jul 05 15:04 |
| scientes | I need to find that video | Jul 05 15:04 |
| XRevan86 | > that the soviet's did let people move willy-nilly | Jul 05 15:05 |
| XRevan86 | https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/propiska | Jul 05 15:05 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-en.wiktionary.org | propiska - Wiktionary | Jul 05 15:05 | |
| XRevan86 | Yes, a dictionary as a counter-argument :) | Jul 05 15:06 |
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| ---MinceR gives voice to pidgin_log | Jul 05 17:44 | |
| MinceR | https://ircz.de/p/19061952 | Jul 05 17:55 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-ircz.de | IRCZ makes your life worth living Post object | Jul 05 17:55 | |
| XRevan86 | MinceR: We will make girls-students into women-paramedics | Jul 05 18:06 |
| XRevan86 | Evidently such a poster existed at the Leningrad Medical Institute of Sanitary and Hygiene :) | Jul 05 18:12 |
| scientes | what????? | Jul 05 18:14 |
| scientes | I don't understand that poster at all | Jul 05 18:14 |
| XRevan86 | Maybe I translated it wrong %). "Сделаем из девушек-студенток женщин-санитарок" | Jul 05 18:17 |
| MinceR | https://ircz.de/p/19061918 | Jul 05 18:41 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-ircz.de | IRCZ makes your life worth living Post object | Jul 05 18:41 | |
| XRevan86 | MinceR: Remember to do that in order | Jul 05 18:42 |
| MinceR | :> | Jul 05 18:43 |
| XRevan86 | call 112 then lol – very bad | Jul 05 18:44 |
| psydroid | first lol and then forget about calling 112 | Jul 05 18:45 |
| psydroid | or 112 doesn't work, so all you can do is lol | Jul 05 18:46 |
| psydroid | that happened here last week | Jul 05 18:46 |
| XRevan86 | psydroid: concerning | Jul 05 18:47 |
| MinceR | https://ircz.de/p/1906191 | Jul 05 18:50 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-ircz.de | IRCZ makes your life worth living Post object | Jul 05 18:50 | |
| psydroid | https://nltimes.nl/2019/06/24/emergency-number-112-across-netherlands-kpn-outage-takes-hold | Jul 05 18:50 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-nltimes.nl | Emergency number 112 down across Netherlands as KPN outage takes hold | NL Times | Jul 05 18:50 | |
| MinceR | https://cdn.niu.moe/media_attachments/files/005/793/776/original/717746f6f4312659.jpeg | Jul 05 19:36 |
| oiaohm | psydroid: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/112_(emergency_telephone_number) that kind of failure is a worry thinking that 112 is the GSM protocol emergency number. Or the number you dial into your phone so it goes bugger you carrier and connects to any near by tower. | Jul 05 19:37 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-en.wikipedia.org | 112 (emergency telephone number) - Wikipedia | Jul 05 19:37 | |
| MinceR | kinky | Jul 05 19:39 |
| psydroid | oiaohm, it is worrying indeed, I hope they ensure it doesn't happen again | Jul 05 19:39 |
| oiaohm | Most mobile phone tower systems support multi redirection numbers being listed for 112. As in number 1 fails switch to number 2. | Jul 05 19:40 |
| oiaohm | and so on. | Jul 05 19:40 |
| oiaohm | For up to 1024 entries. | Jul 05 19:40 |
| oiaohm | psydroid: https://www.acma.gov.au/theACMA/triple-zero-investigation-finds-telstra-breach you hope who is responsible get pulled over the legal coals and at least mildly roasted like what happened in this Australia case. | Jul 05 19:45 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.acma.gov.au | Triple Zero investigation finds Telstra breach | ACMA | Jul 05 19:45 | |
| oiaohm | Its was the full report over the telstra 000 failure that it came out that towers and exchanges could have fallen over to local police station numbers and the like if 000 main number was missing instead of complete failure. | Jul 05 19:47 |
| oiaohm | Those 1024 entries can be processed though in two standard 2 ring periods. | Jul 05 19:48 |
| oiaohm | so the auto redirection does not add much in lag time if it used. | Jul 05 19:48 |
| psydroid | oiaohm, I didn't know this kind of thing was happening elsewhere too | Jul 05 19:54 |
| oiaohm | psydroid: https://www.govtech.com/em/next-gen-911/CenturyLink-Fine-29M-Suggested-911-Failure-Washington.html Its happened quite a few times in different countries. | Jul 05 19:56 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.govtech.com | CenturyLink Fine up to $2.9M Suggested for Big 911 Failure in Washington | Jul 05 19:57 | |
| XRevan86 | https://youtu.be/YA8OeS_hPxU | Jul 05 20:00 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Отвалы химзавода. Вид сверху - YouTube | Jul 05 20:00 | |
| XRevan86 | Pervouralsk, Magnitka district from above | Jul 05 20:01 |
| MinceR | http://explosm.net/comics/2587/ | Jul 05 20:08 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Cyanide & Happiness (Explosm.net) | Jul 05 20:08 | |
| schestowitz | lol | Jul 05 20:13 |
| scientes | XRevan86, what are they mining? | Jul 05 20:15 |
| scientes | are is that a sewage treatment plant? | Jul 05 20:15 |
| scientes | or, what is that? | Jul 05 20:16 |
| XRevan86 | scientes: They call it a chemical factory. | Jul 05 20:20 |
| scientes | yeah but what is in the pit? | Jul 05 20:22 |
| scientes | my home town had similar, and it had something to do with chlorine generation for bleaching paper | Jul 05 20:22 |
| scientes | but it wasn't that color | Jul 05 20:22 |
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| XRevan86 | scientes: "Russian Chrome" | Jul 05 22:16 |
| XRevan86 | 3-valent and 6-valent chromes | Jul 05 22:17 |
| MinceR | (audio:unimportant) https://vid.pr0gramm.com/2019/05/26/5698bcb672ac154c.mp4 | Jul 05 22:23 |
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| DaemonFC[m] | I was nearly trampled at Navy Pier last night. | Jul 05 22:26 |
| DaemonFC[m] | There was a knife attack after the fireworks. | Jul 05 22:26 |
| DaemonFC[m] | I shoved my boyfriend behind a ticket counter and then covered him with myself, telling him not to move from that spot until the police said it was safe to come out. | Jul 05 22:27 |
| DaemonFC[m] | The police evacuated by using all the CTA buses that they had at the pier. ' | Jul 05 22:27 |
| DaemonFC[m] | We didn't get on the buses because I thought it was a terrorist attack and the initial attack might have been to get people on buses where more terrorists could blow them up or something. | Jul 05 22:28 |
| XRevan86 | > audio:unimportant | Jul 05 22:28 |
| XRevan86 | MinceR: Are you calling 4′33″ unimportant!? | Jul 05 22:28 |
| DaemonFC[m] | The London bus bombings came to mind. | Jul 05 22:28 |
| DaemonFC[m] | I managed to get us away from the crowd and out of Chicago. | Jul 05 22:28 |
| XRevan86 | DaemonFC[m]: Boy you have an eventful life… | Jul 05 22:29 |
| MinceR | XRevan86: lol | Jul 05 22:29 |
| MinceR | it's unimportant for the understanding of the video | Jul 05 22:29 |
| XRevan86 | MinceR: Okay, I'll give you that. | Jul 05 22:30 |
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| scientes | XRevan86, oh wow, hexavalent chromium is extremely dangerous to health | Jul 05 23:14 |
| scientes | (both of course are) | Jul 05 23:14 |
| scientes | that site will never be able to grow anything | Jul 05 23:14 |
| XRevan86 | scientes: Meh, just dump it in the open near living apartments. | Jul 05 23:14 |
| scientes | yeah..... | Jul 05 23:14 |
| scientes | > Hexavalent chromium plating has its disadvantages, however. This type of plating produces several byproducts which are considered hazardous waste, including lead chromates and barium sulfate. Hexavalent chromium itself is a hazardous substance and carcinogen and is heavily regulated by the EPA. In recent years, automotive OEMs such as Chrysler have made efforts to replace hexavalent chromium finishes with more eco-friendly finishes. | Jul 05 23:15 |
| scientes | that page makes it seem like you could completely eliminate hexavalent chromium https://www.ecfinc.com/hexavalent-vs-trivalent-chrome-plating/ | Jul 05 23:16 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.ecfinc.com | Hexavalent vs. Trivalent Chrome Plating - Electro Chemical Finishing | Jul 05 23:16 | |
| scientes | and just use tri-valent chromium | Jul 05 23:16 |
| MinceR | https://vid.pr0gramm.com/2019/06/29/7630404a188f9bb8.mp4 | Jul 06 00:02 |
| scientes | MinceR, oh damn that is cool | Jul 06 00:03 |
| MinceR | https://vid.pr0gramm.com/2019/06/29/915dab2d76ca35ea.mp4 | Jul 06 00:20 |
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| scientes | MinceR, what is that? | Jul 06 01:20 |
| MinceR | most likely some alkaline [earth] metal dropped in water | Jul 06 01:22 |
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| scientes | well yeah i got that part | Jul 06 01:22 |
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| MinceR | https://i.imgur.com/73vXVav.jpg | Jul 06 02:09 |
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| XRevan86 | MinceR: I'm not literate when it comes to Usonian history, but I've heard about this one indeed. | Jul 06 02:11 |
| MinceR | :> | Jul 06 02:12 |
| schestowitz | it's one think for trumpland to be led by criminals | Jul 06 02:12 |
| schestowitz | but another for it to be led by demented criminals | Jul 06 02:12 |
| schestowitz | putin is an autocratic mafia-friendly type | Jul 06 02:13 |
| MinceR | the masses' favorite kind of criminal (and leader) | Jul 06 02:13 |
| schestowitz | but he is at least not so stupid | Jul 06 02:13 |
| MinceR | putin is stupid enough to ensure that russia's economy remains unsustainable and fragile | Jul 06 02:13 |
| schestowitz | if putin had made very stupid statements, the us press would have leaped at it | Jul 06 02:13 |
| schestowitz | it jokes about him calling internet "pentagon project" | Jul 06 02:14 |
| schestowitz | although he was partly correct | Jul 06 02:14 |
| schestowitz | and maybe a bad translation, too, like that Gore "invented the Internet" thing | Jul 06 02:14 |
| XRevan86 | schestowitz: https://youtu.be/lk8hocLXO2w | Jul 06 02:15 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-«Прямая линия» с Владимиром Путиным дороги - YouTube | Jul 06 02:15 | |
| XRevan86 | This got me wondering whether Vito Corleone was mafia-friendly. | Jul 06 02:17 |
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| schestowitz | XRevan86: seems to be in Russian | Jul 06 03:55 |
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| schestowitz | https://www.windowscentral.com/microsoft-wants-join-private-linux-security-developer-board | Jul 06 05:38 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.windowscentral.com | Microsoft wants to join private Linux security developer board | Windows Central | Jul 06 05:38 | |
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| oiaohm | https://www.computerweekly.com/news/252466203/Top-VPNs-secretly-owned-by-Chinese-firms that is kind of expected. | Jul 06 07:32 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.computerweekly.com | Top VPNs secretly owned by Chinese firms | Jul 06 07:32 | |
| schestowitz | Opera | Jul 06 07:44 |
| schestowitz | I guess I was a bit ahead of time speaking about those things | Jul 06 07:44 |
| oiaohm | schestowitz: with the volume of Linux stuff Microsoft uses with Azure you can understand Microsoft wanting in. | Jul 06 08:02 |
| oiaohm | https://www.zdnet.com/article/microsoft-developer-reveals-linux-is-now-more-used-on-azure-than-windows-server/ << this does apply. Microsoft has a growing security dependance on Linux in fact being seucre. | Jul 06 08:05 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Microsoft developer reveals Linux is now more used on Azure than Windows Server | ZDNet | Jul 06 08:05 | |
| oiaohm | secure | Jul 06 08:05 |
| oiaohm | https://www.tomshardware.com/news/amazon-project-kuiper-internet-satellites-fcc,39805.html hmm that would be enough to provide a global GPS without depending in the USA/Russia GPS government solution | Jul 06 08:10 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tomshardware.com | Amazon Seeks Permission to Launch 3,236 Internet Satellites | Jul 06 08:10 | |
| schestowitz | Microsoft does not care about security, oiaohm | Jul 06 08:24 |
| schestowitz | this is about control | Jul 06 08:24 |
| schestowitz | e.g. https://www.theregister.co.uk/2016/11/28/microsoft_update_servers_left_all_azure_rhel_instances_hackable/ | Jul 06 08:25 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.theregister.co.uk | Microsoft update servers left all Azure RHEL instances hackable • The Register | Jul 06 08:25 | |
| schestowitz | oiaohm: amazon is pentagon | Jul 06 08:25 |
| schestowitz | and cia | Jul 06 08:25 |
| schestowitz | so same thing | Jul 06 08:25 |
| schestowitz | see their contract and applications for contracts | Jul 06 08:25 |
| schestowitz | as close as GAFAM can get to Pentagon/CIA | Jul 06 08:25 |
| schestowitz | Bezos even urged this publicly | Jul 06 08:25 |
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| oiaohm | schestowitz: You don't have control if your solution gets massively hacked. | Jul 06 08:32 |
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| schestowitz | I am writing about it at the moment | Jul 06 08:41 |
| oiaohm | schestowitz: basically security and control are not 100 percent independent to each other. | Jul 06 08:48 |
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| XRevan86 | schestowitz: Yea. Basically, a guy is asking on a Direct Line about the horrible condition of a road. Putin jokingly replies asks whether he has an automobile, and then that why would they want a road when there's no automobile. | Jul 06 12:00 |
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| MinceR | 06 063851 < schestowitz> https://www.windowscentral.com/microsoft-wants-join-private-linux-security-developer-board | Jul 06 13:43 |
| MinceR | they must believe they're keeping some bugs secret from m$ :> | Jul 06 13:43 |
| MinceR | and want to develop brand names, logos and websites for those too | Jul 06 13:43 |
| oiaohm | MinceR: there is no question those outside that mailing list get 90+ day delays on hearing about the faults found in Linux. | Jul 06 13:48 |
| MinceR | ah | Jul 06 13:49 |
| MinceR | so m$ wants their marketroids a 90+ day advantage on developing brand names, logos and websites for vulnerabilities in Linux | Jul 06 13:50 |
| oiaohm | With azure depending on Linux in their switches and for over 50% of all the active vm they have Linux security faults really serousally threaten to ruin microsoft day. | Jul 06 13:53 |
| oiaohm | I am not saying MinceR that the other things you are saying cannot be true as well. | Jul 06 13:54 |
| MinceR | good thing microsoft doesn't depend on windows | Jul 06 13:54 |
| oiaohm | But Microsoft from income is coming very dependant on having secure Linux. | Jul 06 13:54 |
| MinceR | imagine having your day ruined by those holes... | Jul 06 13:54 |
| schestowitz | http://techrights.org/2015/05/14/venom-heartbleed-microsoft/ | Jul 06 13:55 |
| oiaohm | WSL2 makes the surface area even worse. | Jul 06 13:55 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | “VENOM” FUD Attack — Like “Heartbleed” FUD Attack — Linked to Microsoft | Techrights | Jul 06 13:55 | |
| oiaohm | I could we could end up inside a year of 2 where 90 percent of what Microsoft is supporting in clients is depending on Linux kernel for something. | Jul 06 13:55 |
| schestowitz | #microsoft wants to know #freesw flaws so that its proxies can attack these http://techrights.org/2014/04/11/heartbleed-and-microsoft/ | Jul 06 13:55 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Microsoft: Let’s Talk About Heartbleed® (Reported by Our ‘Former’ Security Chief) While the World Migrates From XP to GNU/Linux | Techrights | Jul 06 13:55 | |
| MinceR | i suppose 90+ days can also help with manufacturing some merchandise with the vulnerability logo so they can sell them immediately when they go public :> | Jul 06 13:55 |
| oiaohm | Remember Microsoft also need to make sure their own hardware is fixed before they start adverising like a mad man. | Jul 06 13:56 |
| schestowitz | haha | Jul 06 13:56 |
| schestowitz | good point | Jul 06 13:56 |
| MinceR | microsoft fixes something? | Jul 06 13:57 |
| schestowitz | lack of back doors | Jul 06 13:57 |
| MinceR | ah, yes | Jul 06 13:57 |
| schestowitz | need to add new ones | Jul 06 13:57 |
| schestowitz | to keep the NSA ahead of non-NSA crackers | Jul 06 13:57 |
| oiaohm | schestowitz: remember things are not like it was back in 2015 and 2014. Back then most of Azure was in fact running windows. | Jul 06 14:00 |
| oiaohm | schestowitz: today Most of that big income segment for Microsoft is running Linux. | Jul 06 14:00 |
| oiaohm | I really find it funny slowly but surely Microsoft is coming dependant that Linux works. | Jul 06 14:01 |
| MinceR | they never cared whether what they used worked | Jul 06 14:02 |
| MinceR | if they did, they would have never depended on windows | Jul 06 14:02 |
| MinceR | microsoft is not about stuff that works, it's a cult that uses every trick in the book to force you to pay for shit that doesn't even work | Jul 06 14:02 |
| MinceR | they also would not have depended on AD or exchange | Jul 06 14:03 |
| MinceR | either | Jul 06 14:04 |
| oiaohm | MinceR: not exactly with Azure microsoft has signed SLAs so if it does not work they have to pay out money. | Jul 06 14:04 |
| oiaohm | Azure is really doing a number of Microsoft old business model. | Jul 06 14:04 |
| MinceR | they have money | Jul 06 14:04 |
| MinceR | also, lying about downtime and screwing customers over isn't exactly new in the industry either | Jul 06 14:05 |
| MinceR | having an army of lawyers helps | Jul 06 14:05 |
| oiaohm | Not really if Azure goes disaster that will be all their working captital nuked. | Jul 06 14:05 |
| MinceR | having several states in their pockets also helps | Jul 06 14:05 |
| oiaohm | Microsoft did not exactly get into Azure because they wanted to either. PC and business server sales were slowing down. | Jul 06 14:06 |
| MinceR | also, people who are stupid enough to rely on microsoft are probably already members of the cult, and as such they already believe that azure can't break | Jul 06 14:06 |
| oiaohm | It does not change how big Microsoft libablity risk is from Azure these days. | Jul 06 14:06 |
| MinceR | if only it mattered | Jul 06 14:07 |
| oiaohm | https://venturebeat.com/2019/01/30/microsoft-earnings-q2-2019/ Microsoft fast growing income segment is Azure. That by next year might be microsoft lead department in profits. | Jul 06 14:11 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Microsoft reports $32.5 billion in Q2 2019 revenue: Azure up 76%, Surface up 39%, and LinkedIn up 29% | VentureBeat | Jul 06 14:11 | |
| oiaohm | This is why I say thing have changed. | Jul 06 14:12 |
| oiaohm | Its getting to the point that Azure will matter to Microsoft. | Jul 06 14:12 |
| oiaohm | Because it going to be too big of chuck of Microsoft income for them to be simply just use other departments to pay if stuff up happens. | Jul 06 14:13 |
| oiaohm | MinceR: basically things have changed to a point. Question is how much of Microsoft income is going to come directly dependant on Linux working going forwards. | Jul 06 14:16 |
| MinceR | m$ said they changed too many times while continuing their old shitty behavior | Jul 06 14:19 |
| MinceR | i don't trust them | Jul 06 14:19 |
| MinceR | also, have they stopped abusing patents against Linux device vendors yet? | Jul 06 14:20 |
| MinceR | of course whether i trust them doesn't really matter | Jul 06 14:20 |
| MinceR | they've put people in their pockets in charge of Linux and the FSF, so the days of GNU/Linux and Linux are numbered | Jul 06 14:20 |
| oiaohm | Really it not a 1 direction problem. | Jul 06 14:24 |
| oiaohm | To maintain Azure Microsoft has had to put on more Linux personal. | Jul 06 14:25 |
| MinceR | yeah, a pretense | Jul 06 14:29 |
| MinceR | and the sad thing is, even if they had good intentions, they're still incompetent and toxic | Jul 06 14:29 |
| MinceR | so they'd still doom Linux even if they really "loved" it | Jul 06 14:30 |
| oiaohm | That the thing. With Microsoft level incompetence attempting to remote Linux foundation and FSF its likely they will shoot themselves in the foot. | Jul 06 14:31 |
| schestowitz | [14:11] <oiaohm> https://venturebeat.com/2019/01/30/microsoft-earnings-q2-2019/ Microsoft fast growing income segment is Azure. That by next year might be microsoft lead department in profits. | Jul 06 14:32 |
| schestowitz | they just rebrand | Jul 06 14:32 |
| schestowitz | and reclassify | Jul 06 14:32 |
| schestowitz | now you sound like Microsoft Peter | Jul 06 14:32 |
| schestowitz | They're cloudwashing everything to make it seem like there's growth | Jul 06 14:32 |
| schestowitz | it's not even clear whether Azure is profitable at all, based on analyses | Jul 06 14:33 |
| MinceR | even if m$ shoots themselves in the foot, there will still be a lot of collateral damage | Jul 06 14:33 |
| oiaohm | schestowitz: looking at there reported incomes where I am getting numbers from. | Jul 06 14:33 |
| oiaohm | MinceR: https://azure.microsoft.com/en-au/blog/microsoft-joins-open-invention-network-to-help-protect-linux-and-open-source/ this last year in fact reduced the patent trolling Microsoft can do going forwards. | Jul 06 14:35 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-azure.microsoft.com | Microsoft joins Open Invention Network to help protect Linux and open source | Blog | Microsoft Azure | Jul 06 14:35 | |
| MinceR | unless they just hand the patents over to a front company like they did before | Jul 06 14:35 |
| oiaohm | The way the OIN contract is written IBM though of that. | Jul 06 14:36 |
| MinceR | then they already handed them over before | Jul 06 14:36 |
| oiaohm | though/considered that. | Jul 06 14:36 |
| oiaohm | Ones before the OIN contract remain in play. But the means to put as many new ones out there was radially reduced. | Jul 06 14:37 |
| MinceR | they'll have their fronts register new ones | Jul 06 14:37 |
| MinceR | if there weren't obvious way around this, m$ wouldn't have joined the OIN in the first place | Jul 06 14:37 |
| MinceR | s/ay/ays/ | Jul 06 14:37 |
| oiaohm | No it was ms need something of IBM covered by OIN. | Jul 06 14:37 |
| oiaohm | So Microsoft had no choice but to sign or die. | Jul 06 14:38 |
| oiaohm | The way the OIN contract is Microsoft cannot license the patent for use in Windows and not cover the Linux parts covered by OIN as well. | Jul 06 14:38 |
| oiaohm | So yes they can have third parties register only to get fried by their own weapons. | Jul 06 14:39 |
| oiaohm | IBM legal team is not fun to mess with. | Jul 06 14:39 |
| MinceR | they already did "promise not to sue" instead of licensing | Jul 06 14:39 |
| MinceR | .net/mono still works that way | Jul 06 14:39 |
| oiaohm | 2018 one I was pointing to Microsoft Licensed contract and all. | Jul 06 14:40 |
| oiaohm | and its a IBM written contract enforced by IBM legal. | Jul 06 14:40 |
| oiaohm | As Microsoft gets more dependant on Linux they will need stuff like OIN that will start tying their legal hands on the stunts they can pull. | Jul 06 14:41 |
| oiaohm | Getting closer to the Linux world is not without its teath effecting what Microsoft can and cannot do going forwards. | Jul 06 14:42 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-somenerdthing.tumblr.com | We're the Nerdiest Nerds that ever Nerded. | Jul 06 15:55 | |
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| schestowitz | MinceR: you can strike with less force than this | Jul 06 19:48 |
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| MinceR | huh? | Jul 06 19:48 |
| schestowitz | bowling | Jul 06 19:50 |
| MinceR | lol | Jul 06 19:50 |
| MinceR | of course | Jul 06 19:50 |
| MinceR | but it wouldn't be nearly as funny as this method | Jul 06 19:50 |
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| ender2070 | amazon is a big threat too | Jul 06 21:00 |
| ender2070 | its hard to run into people who dont work there where im from | Jul 06 21:00 |
| ender2070 | Jeff Bezos, richest man in the world | Jul 06 21:01 |
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| MinceR | https://imgur.com/gallery/LA74TgM | Jul 06 22:42 |
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