| _doug | haaaaa ... DOH ! | Dec 01 15:19 |
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| _doug | What is *this* doing in my inbox ? | Dec 01 15:24 |
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| _doug | "Ho Ho Ho! Microsoft Office 2007 - Still Jolly Good Value this Christmas!" | Dec 01 15:24 |
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| _doug | "With Microsoft Office Home and Student 2007 now available from as little as €79.99*" | Dec 01 15:24 |
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| PetoKraus | *? | Dec 01 15:25 |
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| PetoKraus | i proposed a few times to my boss | Dec 01 15:25 |
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| PetoKraus | that we should compile OOO with our brand name embedded in | Dec 01 15:25 |
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| schestowitz | Only €79.99 as OOXML ransom? | Dec 01 15:25 |
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| trmanco | Is this OpenOffice.org's Firegull Moment?: http://www.computerworlduk.com/toolbox/open-sou... | Dec 01 15:25 |
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| PetoKraus | and sell it for like €£10 a disc to students :P | Dec 01 15:25 |
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| schestowitz | Come in... relock your docs | Dec 01 15:25 |
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| trmanco | 80€ | Dec 01 15:26 |
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| trmanco | :O | Dec 01 15:26 |
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| schestowitz | Margins dying. | Dec 01 15:26 |
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| schestowitz | Microsoft is like the mythical shopkeeper that goes insane | Dec 01 15:26 |
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| trmanco | I would rather spend that money on a FSF membership | Dec 01 15:26 |
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| schestowitz | "Take my wares! Please! No Google Docs! Fekchristsake, block openoffice.org" | Dec 01 15:27 |
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| PetoKraus | trmanco: i do | Dec 01 15:27 |
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| PetoKraus | 60$ a year | Dec 01 15:27 |
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| PetoKraus | i just dunno why i am member of FSF US | Dec 01 15:27 |
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| trmanco | PetoKraus, I'm saving up some money to do that | Dec 01 15:27 |
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| schestowitz | ## Microsoft Filter 1.0 | Dec 01 15:27 |
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| schestowitz | ALLOW MSN.COM | Dec 01 15:27 |
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| schestowitz | ALLOW HOTMAIL.COM | Dec 01 15:27 |
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| schestowitz | BLOCK APPS.GOOGLE.COM | Dec 01 15:27 |
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| schestowitz | BLOCK MOZILLA.COM | Dec 01 15:28 |
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| schestowitz | BLOCK OPENOFFICE.ORG | Dec 01 15:28 |
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| schestowitz | END | Dec 01 15:28 |
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| PetoKraus | improper C# syntax :/ | Dec 01 15:28 |
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| trmanco | lol | Dec 01 15:28 |
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| schestowitz | ERR | Dec 01 15:28 |
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| schestowitz | Fail. | Dec 01 15:28 |
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| trmanco | wait | Dec 01 15:28 |
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| schestowitz | Reboot | Dec 01 15:28 |
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| schestowitz | If no good, reinstall Win32 | Dec 01 15:28 |
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| PetoKraus | you know i always wondered | Dec 01 15:28 |
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| PetoKraus | WHY does driver need .net framework to install? | Dec 01 15:29 |
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| PetoKraus | like, ATI drivers? | Dec 01 15:29 |
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| PetoKraus | is it actually written in .NET? | Dec 01 15:29 |
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| schestowitz | Maybe it needs it for technical reasons | Dec 01 15:29 |
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| schestowitz | But dependencies can be made artificially. | Dec 01 15:29 |
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| *trmanco after opening 1k Windows: | Dec 01 15:29 |
| schestowitz | Like... require that Moonlight should have some Mono dependency for Poisonware injection. | Dec 01 15:29 |
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| trmanco | STOP: 0x00000001 (ALLOW,BLOCK) APC_INDEX_MISMATCH | Dec 01 15:30 |
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| schestowitz | Or Tomboy.. | Dec 01 15:30 |
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| _doug | I've *never* subscribed to a MS newslatter, how did I get on their spam list, what's more the local spam filter lets it through .. | Dec 01 15:30 |
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| _doug | It would be interesting as to how I got on the 'newsletter' list ? | Dec 01 15:31 |
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| kentma1 | _doug: probably a troll deliberately subscribing you to things - to the 12-year-old mind, it's really funny. | Dec 01 15:32 |
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| trmanco | I still think you have to confirm the newsletter before your email gets subscribed | Dec 01 15:33 |
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| trmanco | at least the last time I checked | Dec 01 15:33 |
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| trmanco | that was about 3 years ago btw | Dec 01 15:33 |
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| trmanco | :| | Dec 01 15:33 |
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| kentma1 | trmanco: I've been subscribed to things which require such confirmation. One method might be to subscribe to a different address, then change the address later... | Dec 01 15:34 |
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| schestowitz | _doug: maybe Novell gave their partner a buzz | Dec 01 15:34 |
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| kentma1 | never underestimate the lengths to which the childish mind will go to achieve something utterly pointless. | Dec 01 15:34 |
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| kentma1 | (in order to achieve, I meant) | Dec 01 15:34 |
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| trmanco | kentma1, nice point | Dec 01 15:34 |
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| trmanco | I haven't thought of thatr | Dec 01 15:35 |
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| trmanco | that* | Dec 01 15:35 |
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| _doug | that account is only ever used for private communication, and I would imagine the MS subscription requires email confirmation .. | Dec 01 15:35 |
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| schestowitz | [fine print] *We may share your data with our partners. | Dec 01 15:35 |
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| schestowitz | _doug: maybe it's a faker. | Dec 01 15:35 |
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| _doug | No, MS got hold of a spam list and is using it .. | Dec 01 15:35 |
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| trmanco | Fixing Linux: What's Broken And What To Do About It: http://www.informationweek.com/news/software/l... | Dec 01 15:35 |
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| kentma1 | _doug: see my remark of a moment ago on how that might be achieved... | Dec 01 15:35 |
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| schestowitz | Did you check the URL? | Dec 01 15:35 |
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| _doug | Yea, it's MS alright .. | Dec 01 15:36 |
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| trmanco | guess what is the first problem? Package Management | Dec 01 15:36 |
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| trmanco | troll | Dec 01 15:36 |
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| schestowitz | Well... | Dec 01 15:37 |
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| schestowitz | It was put on Digg 2 minutes ago. | Dec 01 15:37 |
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| schestowitz | And I know the writer's history | Dec 01 15:37 |
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| schestowitz | He's not a troll, but he's a GNU/Linux n00b | Dec 01 15:37 |
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| trmanco | I caught it in my feeds | Dec 01 15:37 |
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| schestowitz | He was a Windows journalist until about a year ago | Dec 01 15:37 |
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| trmanco | ok | Dec 01 15:37 |
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| schestowitz | He's not trolling much | Dec 01 15:37 |
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| schestowitz | To his credit, he writes positive things too and the title is not *too* provocative. | Dec 01 15:38 |
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| schestowitz | Alex Wolfe is the troll in InfoWeek | Dec 01 15:38 |
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| _doug | a solution in search of a problem .. | Dec 01 15:38 |
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| schestowitz | He even brought his trolling to COLA (USENET) | Dec 01 15:38 |
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| _doug | I only need the one distro to work with the one package management system .. | Dec 01 15:38 |
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| schestowitz | _doug: bingo! | Dec 01 15:38 |
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| schestowitz | Oops. | Dec 01 15:39 |
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| schestowitz | That bingo remark referred to " a solution in search of a problem" | Dec 01 15:39 |
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| twitter | busy morning! | Dec 01 15:39 |
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| _doug | the ultimate cross-platform package-management is to compile from source .. | Dec 01 15:39 |
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| schestowitz | Linux worked all right, but I need to write something that drawn in reader on an emotional basis and a "Linux is cool" article ain't such thing. | Dec 01 15:39 |
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| trmanco | Slackware | Dec 01 15:39 |
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| twitter | You did a good write up about binary interfaces in the kernel recently. | Dec 01 15:40 |
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| schestowitz | So let's digg down under the hood and find things to break apart. | Dec 01 15:40 |
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| twitter | ut oh | Dec 01 15:40 |
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| schestowitz | twitter: some people want your stalkers banned. | Dec 01 15:40 |
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| schestowitz | As in... their comments deleted | Dec 01 15:40 |
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| twitter | I saw the G. Michaels stuff. Banning would be better than deleting. It's a good record of harassment. | Dec 01 15:41 |
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| schestowitz | _doug: try to compile from soufce when your 'EXE' 'magic' stops working in Fista | Dec 01 15:41 |
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| twitter | Tagging would be good too. | Dec 01 15:41 |
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| schestowitz | Windows applications are not portable. | Dec 01 15:41 |
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| _doug | "Native file versioning .. Windows users have this in the form of shadow copies, but no default incarnation yet exists in the standard-issue Linux file systems" | Dec 01 15:41 |
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| schestowitz | Not even across archs. | Dec 01 15:41 |
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| schestowitz | Key word: default. | Dec 01 15:42 |
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| _doug | "the ability to roll back a file to a given point in time as a default piece of functionality isn't a frivolity." | Dec 01 15:42 |
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| schestowitz | had he tried to research properly, he would realise that he's wrong. | Dec 01 15:42 |
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| schestowitz | _doug: good, so he should get the programs for it. | Dec 01 15:42 |
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| _doug | That isn't such a problem in nix, as the latest 'service pack' don't bork the whole system :) | Dec 01 15:42 |
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| twitter | and file systems in GNU/Linux don't just blow up. | Dec 01 15:43 |
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| twitter | NTFS implosions tend to wipe out the "shadow copy" too | Dec 01 15:43 |
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| _doug | Goback: as you don't know what the latest upgrade is going to do to the file system .. a solution in search of a MS problem .. :) | Dec 01 15:44 |
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| twitter | In 10 years of GNU/Linux use, I have never lost a file to file system corruption or system crap out. | Dec 01 15:44 |
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| twitter | Even when drives start to crap out, I have been able to get the information off. | Dec 01 15:45 |
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| twitter | In related news, M$FT is back under $20 http://finance.google.com/finance?q=NASDAQ:MSFT | Dec 01 15:45 |
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| _doug | '"Desktop" .. a graphical user interface that makes using and managing the system all the easier no matter what your level of technical expertise' | Dec 01 15:46 |
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| twitter | that is part of a broader market flop of 5% this morning. | Dec 01 15:46 |
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| _doug | Is 'ease of navagation' the current FUD issue ? | Dec 01 15:47 |
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| twitter | "Ease of use" is an old M$ FUD issue that never dies. | Dec 01 15:47 |
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| _doug | "To that end, what's needed is a single steering committee for all GUIs that work on Linux, so that whatever GUIs are created .. to have tight integration of features with the kernel, a la BeOS" | Dec 01 15:47 |
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| _doug | Hey he mentions BeOS .. | Dec 01 15:48 |
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| twitter | You would think the EEE PC, which stands for "easy easy easy" would have put it to rest, at least for commercially supported distros, but the M$ FUDsters have nothing to do with reality. | Dec 01 15:48 |
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| _doug | This is a curious co-incidence, ReverseDRT, on this channel, mentioned precicly this, the lack of navagibility in the Linux GUI, he mentioned BeOS .. | Dec 01 15:49 |
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| twitter | They make impossible and irrational demands that have nothing to do with the perceived problem. The only real problem free software has is with uncooperative OEMs and broadcast content owners. | Dec 01 15:49 |
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| twitter | All sorts of trolls mention BeOS. It's something most people don't know about, so they can pull it out of their ass and look smart. | Dec 01 15:50 |
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| _doug | "If Linux will continue to draw regular PC users away from Windows, it'll need to have many of the same features as Windows" | Dec 01 15:51 |
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| twitter | No list of features? | Dec 01 15:51 |
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| twitter | typical | Dec 01 15:51 |
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| _doug | remote backup .. | Dec 01 15:51 |
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| twitter | done better with grsync | Dec 01 15:51 |
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| _doug | personally I run a script that backups to a local box under NFS .. | Dec 01 15:52 |
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| _doug | Else I FTP to a remote server .. | Dec 01 15:52 |
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| twitter | rsync uses OpenSSH and is more secure. | Dec 01 15:52 |
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| twitter | you could drop it into your script if you wanted. | Dec 01 15:53 |
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| _doug | Yea, the script uses rsync, and creates incrimental backups .. | Dec 01 15:53 |
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| _doug | "Windows and Mac users have endless choices: the native file- and system-level backup " | Dec 01 15:54 |
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| _doug | breaking news: the lack of backup tools under Linux :) | Dec 01 15:54 |
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| twitter | Windows and Mac users have endless needs. | Dec 01 15:54 |
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| twitter | I'm not sure about the lack of tools. | Dec 01 15:55 |
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| _doug | "integration with a commercial backup provider for regular users is what's missing" | Dec 01 15:55 |
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| twitter | you can do rsync with almost any remote host server | Dec 01 15:55 |
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| twitter | the question is why you would do that rather than buy a $100 external drive. | Dec 01 15:56 |
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| _doug | Now here's a business oppurtunity, how about the ISPs offering such a backup service, paid for by subscriptin .. ? | Dec 01 15:56 |
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| twitter | " apt-cache search backup | wc" returns 135 lines | Dec 01 15:56 |
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| _doug | responseto Serdar Yegulalp: technically Linux posesses the tools to do the job. What's lacking is people commercialising the product. | Dec 01 15:58 |
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| twitter | opportunity, yes. need, no. | Dec 01 15:59 |
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| _doug | Roy: isn't there a Linux desktop usability project going somewhere ? | Dec 01 15:59 |
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| twitter | Every Window Manager is a usability project. | Dec 01 15:59 |
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| _doug | http://www.linux-usability.de/d... Aug 2003 .. | Dec 01 16:01 |
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| _doug | ot: did anyone see Spooks last night ? | Dec 01 16:03 |
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| *schestowitz doing some reading and writing about Shannon's entropy today. :-) | Dec 01 16:04 |
| schestowitz | twitter: watch out for a post later... about OEM coercion (since you mentioned it) | Dec 01 16:05 |
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| _doug | answer required !!! | Dec 01 16:05 |
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| schestowitz | _doug: yes, there is also a usability project for KDE. | Dec 01 16:06 |
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| schestowitz | Usability is another word like INNOVA~1. BUZZ. | Dec 01 16:07 |
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| _doug | isn't there a council or something .. the Gnome usability project ? | Dec 01 16:07 |
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| schestowitz | I used Metisse while I was on vacation. | Dec 01 16:07 |
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| *schestowitz goes nowhere without a Mandriva CD anymore. | Dec 01 16:07 |
| schestowitz | _doug: yes, there is. I have many refs on GNOME and usability. | Dec 01 16:08 |
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| schestowitz | USABIL~1 | Dec 01 16:08 |
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| _doug | spooks, anyone see it ? | Dec 01 16:16 |
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| _doug | http://www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/episode/b00flyz9... | Dec 01 16:16 |
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| _doug | spooks: at 17:59, this renegade MI5 operative points a electronic-immobiliser gun at a paparazzi on a moterbike, causing him to swerve under a truck .. | Dec 01 16:25 |
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| _doug | The electronic-immobiliser he got from the manufacturers by forging a signature and getting caught on CC TV .. | Dec 01 16:26 |
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| _doug | Wouldn't it have been simpler to throw the paparazzi off a roof ? :) | Dec 01 16:26 |
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| _doug | who writes these scripts ? | Dec 01 16:27 |
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| _doug | The scripts are cring-worthy of a high order .. especially the bits that mention 'computers' .. | Dec 01 16:28 |
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| _doug | Oh, by the way, the paparazzi had compromising photographs on a USB device, that the kid decoded in four seconds . :) | Dec 01 16:28 |
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| schestowitz | MI5 must be busy these days | Dec 01 16:31 |
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| _doug | Is it wise to make an electronic-immobiliser gun, that looks like an assault rifle .. :) | Dec 01 16:31 |
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| twitter | causing an accident remotely is much better than beating up your victim or doing anything else that leaves evidence | Dec 01 16:32 |
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| schestowitz | After the Mumbai terrorism, the second great depression that leads to radicalism (BNP et al)... can't be easy... | Dec 01 16:32 |
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| *kentma1 has quit (Remote closed the connection) | Dec 01 16:32 |
| PetoKraus | twitter: it depends | Dec 01 16:32 |
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| PetoKraus | sometimes you just wanna punch someone | Dec 01 16:32 |
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| twitter | no, I never feel that way. | Dec 01 16:32 |
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| schestowitz | PetoKraus: So you join the poice | Dec 01 16:32 |
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| PetoKraus | :) | Dec 01 16:33 |
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| schestowitz | They get new toys now. | Dec 01 16:33 |
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| PetoKraus | i was thinking about joining army though | Dec 01 16:33 |
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| schestowitz | http://news.google.com/news?hl=en&... | Dec 01 16:33 |
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| _doug | Look up the episode where the FSB tries to hack into the financial sector, through the fiberoptic link under the northsea. | Dec 01 16:33 |
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| _doug | Using a nuclear submarine, only MI5 uses a reverse-hack and disables the sub :) | Dec 01 16:34 |
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| schestowitz | Only in Bond films | Dec 01 16:34 |
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| schestowitz | BTW, that's glorification of sercret services | Dec 01 16:34 |
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| twitter | and murder | Dec 01 16:34 |
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| _doug | this *is* the British Broadcasting Corporation .. | Dec 01 16:34 |
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| schestowitz | By coincidences I have some Bond sountrack music playing... | Dec 01 16:34 |
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| schestowitz | Amazing what music is made available for free out there! | Dec 01 16:35 |
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| schestowitz | twitter: no, not murder | Dec 01 16:35 |
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| PetoKraus | schestowitz: yes, all the music on torrents... | Dec 01 16:35 |
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| PetoKraus | :D | Dec 01 16:35 |
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| schestowitz | You'll see sparks and splinters all around Mr. Bond | Dec 01 16:35 |
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| _doug | last word: for a bunch of spooks, they do seem to chatter on their mobile phones lot ? | Dec 01 16:35 |
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| schestowitz | But he's got like.. well, some sort of gravity shield. They always miss him | Dec 01 16:35 |
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| twitter | ok, it's glorification of extrajudical homicide | Dec 01 16:36 |
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| schestowitz | Corollary: if you are the Good Guy(R), you are invincible. | Dec 01 16:36 |
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| twitter | Good Guys only murder in self defense. | Dec 01 16:36 |
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| twitter | They have cool tools to do this and never get dirty/hurt | Dec 01 16:36 |
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| schestowitz | PetoKraus: this one is a man's rendition on keyboard/synthesiser, I think. | Dec 01 16:36 |
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| schestowitz | twitter: this reminds me of politics. | Dec 01 16:37 |
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| schestowitz | I've watched a lot of political videos recently. | Dec 01 16:37 |
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| schestowitz | About exploration of hyporcrisy in the west, as told by westerners. | Dec 01 16:37 |
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| schestowitz | Brainwash culture too. | Dec 01 16:37 |
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| _doug | The 'real' news reads like a Bond plot .. simple sound-bytes and easily identifiable good-guys and villians :) | Dec 01 16:38 |
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| twitter | I saw a black helicopter fantasy called "shooter" the other day. It was like a special forces recruitment video. | Dec 01 16:38 |
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| _doug | It's interesting seeing just who spooks consider the villians. | Dec 01 16:39 |
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| schestowitz | _doug: that too | Dec 01 16:40 |
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| schestowitz | Read Schneier recently? | Dec 01 16:40 |
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| _doug | The FSB + Chetan rebels + Al Qaeda | Dec 01 16:40 |
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| schestowitz | He talks a lot about things like "security theatre" | Dec 01 16:40 |
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| schestowitz | And "movie plot" threat | Dec 01 16:40 |
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| twitter | Code Pink has an interesting "war is not a game" initiative that tells parents to avoid "war toys" as gifts. | Dec 01 16:40 |
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| _doug | I'll go take a look .. back in ten .. | Dec 01 16:40 |
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| schestowitz | As in... the security 'dinosaurs' think of all sort of fictional stuff from Hollywood as /the/ threat | Dec 01 16:40 |
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| schestowitz | twitter: they have some pro-military songs right now. | Dec 01 16:41 |
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| schestowitz | It's disguised as a gentle thing about heroism and love,. | Dec 01 16:41 |
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| twitter | Disgracefully, a US Supreme Court member recently stood up for torture, he's also a fan of some silly TV show. | Dec 01 16:41 |
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| schestowitz | But really... it's means for having people think of becoming 'heros' by carrying guns and going abroad, IMHO | Dec 01 16:41 |
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| schestowitz | Change of one's mode of mind... amazing what things we get exposed to can do | Dec 01 16:42 |
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| schestowitz | Computers games that are violent are even encouraged -- in the form of funding -- by the US army. | Dec 01 16:42 |
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| *kevin__ (n=kevin@adsl-71-132-205-189.dsl.pltn13.pacbell.net) has left #boycottnovell (""byebye everybody!"") | Dec 01 16:53 |
| *kevin__ (n=kevin@adsl-71-132-205-189.dsl.pltn13.pacbell.net) has joined #boycottnovell | Dec 01 16:54 |
| kevin__ | hello | Dec 01 16:54 |
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| kevin__ | does anyone here use the distro "nimblex"? I'm interested in using it on a usb drive, but there's just one problem | Dec 01 16:54 |
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| kevin__ | after reading the features included on the website, it says that it "also includes software to skip encryption on PDF's" | Dec 01 16:55 |
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| kevin__ | as someone who lives in a nation owned by large companies, i don't want to risk having the Nazis sent after me for obtaining software that *could* be used to violate the DMCA | Dec 01 16:56 |
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| kevin__ | so do you know if that particular pdf software is included by default, or if it is an add-on module? | Dec 01 16:56 |
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| kevin__ | i looked around the site for a wile and couldn't seem to find a package list | Dec 01 16:57 |
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| kevin__ | this distro is cool because it is about 200 megs, includes KDE, Compiz, media players, web browsers etc... perfect for a flash drive | Dec 01 16:57 |
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| schestowitz | Hey | Dec 01 16:58 |
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| kevin__ | hey | Dec 01 16:58 |
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| *schestowitz was on phone | Dec 01 16:58 |
| schestowitz | nimblex is lots of everything,but master of none, AFAIK | Dec 01 16:58 |
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| schestowitz | One Romanian guy makes it. | Dec 01 16:58 |
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| kevin__ | i used to use slax | Dec 01 16:59 |
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| kevin__ | it was nice, but the list of modules isn't as big as it once was (from 5.1) | Dec 01 16:59 |
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| schestowitz | *LOL* http://www.theregister.co.uk/2008/12... ( New terror guidelines on photography ) .. never mind if there was never evidence of terrorists using photos | Dec 01 16:59 |
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| schestowitz | kapipi: encryption of PDF is removed in Go-OO (Novell) | Dec 01 17:00 |
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| kevin__ | well, it has always been illegal to take pictures of govt buildings right? | Dec 01 17:00 |
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| schestowitz | http://boycottnovell.com/2008/11/0... | Dec 01 17:00 |
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| kevin__ | i personally avoid PDFs like the plague | Dec 01 17:00 |
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| schestowitz | kevin__: my eyes are a camera | Dec 01 17:01 |
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| schestowitz | I am lethal!! | Dec 01 17:01 |
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| schestowitz | I can draw things from memory | Dec 01 17:01 |
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| kevin__ | lol | Dec 01 17:01 |
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| schestowitz | They erased the photos from phones of Boycott Novell protesters in India | Dec 01 17:01 |
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| kevin__ | seriously though, people are afraid of MS screwing up free software by way of software patents, but what about DRM/DMCA? | Dec 01 17:02 |
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| schestowitz | I suppose you read about that. | Dec 01 17:02 |
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| schestowitz | They manage to restore some photos afterwards and post them online. | Dec 01 17:02 |
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| schestowitz | ACTA is worse. | Dec 01 17:02 |
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| kevin__ | what does that stand for? | Dec 01 17:02 |
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| schestowitz | I would like the see the media cover this white-collar crime. | Dec 01 17:02 |
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| schestowitz | It's like Bilderberg and G8... unspeakable... no-go area. | Dec 01 17:03 |
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| schestowitz | To ISO and Microsoft, the BRM in Geneva was the same. | Dec 01 17:03 |
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| schestowitz | Nobody is allowed near the venue where crime (white collar and all) is taking place | Dec 01 17:03 |
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| schestowitz | Anti-counterfeiting trade agreement, IIRC | Dec 01 17:03 |
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| schestowitz | Put ACTA in Wikipedia | Dec 01 17:04 |
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| schestowitz | It's a bad article though... I was told when I linked to it. | Dec 01 17:04 |
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| schestowitz | http://www.google.com/search?sourceid=m... | Dec 01 17:04 |
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| kevin__ | perhaps i should e-mail the author of nimblex and ask him if he could take out the circumventing PDF software and give me a copy of the distro... but then i feel like i'm asking for chocolate milk in a bar :) | Dec 01 17:05 |
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| schestowitz | Panda attacks man who wanted a cuddle < http://www.reuters.com/article/oddlyEn... > | Dec 01 17:05 |
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| kevin__ | yikes | Dec 01 17:06 |
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| schestowitz | The power of brainwash... they give pandas to kids, so these bears must be cuddly, right? :-) | Dec 01 17:06 |
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| kevin__ | lol | Dec 01 17:06 |
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| schestowitz | Watch the image in all In Iquirer pages today, e.g.: http://www.theinquirer.net/gb/inquirer/... ( Baidu bribed to allow unlicensed medical services ) | Dec 01 17:06 |
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| schestowitz | http://images.vnu.net/en/gb/inq/pic-o... | Dec 01 17:06 |
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| schestowitz | kevin__: it's not infringing (the PDF thing). I don't think it is. | Dec 01 17:07 |
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| schestowitz | Millions of people have that. | Dec 01 17:07 |
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| kevin__ | there is a radio show where i live that does segments called "bad news over happy music"... that panda story reminds me of it | Dec 01 17:07 |
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| schestowitz | Maybe even tens of millions. | Dec 01 17:07 |
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| kevin__ | i read about a guy once who got nabbed by the FBI. He wrote PDF circumvention software... his name was Dimitri Sclirov (i'm sure i spelled that wrong) | Dec 01 17:09 |
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| schestowitz | Isn't that old news? | Dec 01 17:10 |
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| schestowitz | And he /wrote/ it, not just used it. | Dec 01 17:10 |
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| kevin__ | yep... it happened years ago | Dec 01 17:10 |
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| schestowitz | Yes | Dec 01 17:10 |
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| schestowitz | Then there's DVD Jon | Dec 01 17:11 |
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| schestowitz | There is another guy with a similar story | Dec 01 17:11 |
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| schestowitz | Phil Zimmerman got the spooks on his back for making PGP (or gnupgp | Dec 01 17:11 |
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| kevin__ | i know they were looking for the guy who cracked wma | Dec 01 17:11 |
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| schestowitz | You know who they should look for? | Dec 01 17:11 |
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| kevin__ | wow i hadn't heard about that story... i'll have to read about it | Dec 01 17:11 |
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| schestowitz | The people who crack the law with these conspiracies. | Dec 01 17:12 |
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| kevin__ | agreed | Dec 01 17:12 |
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| schestowitz | “DRM is nearly always the result of a conspiracy of companies to restrict the technology available to the public. Such conspiracy should be a crime, and the executives responsible for it should be sentenced to prison.” -- Richard Stallman | Dec 01 17:12 |
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| schestowitz | It's another case of the hyporcrisy I mentioned earleir. | Dec 01 17:12 |
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| schestowitz | Example: | Dec 01 17:12 |
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| schestowitz | Iraq: poor country, US: big | Dec 01 17:12 |
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| schestowitz | Iraq: bad; US: good | Dec 01 17:12 |
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| schestowitz | Invading Iraq? Good | Dec 01 17:12 |
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| kevin__ | but i also think it is partly the citizens' responsibility not to buy that stuff | Dec 01 17:13 |
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| schestowitz | Why? Good country rescues people from bad people. | Dec 01 17:13 |
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| schestowitz | Likewise. | Dec 01 17:13 |
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| schestowitz | What we have here is MPAA/RIAA/Ballmer/etc. | Dec 01 17:13 |
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| schestowitz | Versus who? | Dec 01 17:13 |
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| schestowitz | "Pirates" | Dec 01 17:13 |
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| kevin__ | when someone buys a dvd they are just feeding them | Dec 01 17:13 |
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| schestowitz | "Thieves" | Dec 01 17:13 |
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| schestowitz | Code word for "clients" | Dec 01 17:13 |
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| schestowitz | One if a responsible elite, aka Producer | Dec 01 17:13 |
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| schestowitz | The other is a lousy consumer | Dec 01 17:14 |
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| schestowitz | Passive word | Dec 01 17:14 |
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| schestowitz | So they are the good forces | Dec 01 17:14 |
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| schestowitz | The customer is evil | Dec 01 17:14 |
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| schestowitz | Always trying to scre those billionaires | Dec 01 17:14 |
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| schestowitz | How dare they? | Dec 01 17:14 |
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| _doug | Police forces will be remotely searching hard drives .. | Dec 01 17:14 |
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| _doug | http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/t... | Dec 01 17:14 |
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| schestowitz | So they sey up a conspiracy | Dec 01 17:14 |
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| _doug | :) | Dec 01 17:14 |
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| kevin__ | i think if consumers were educated, we wouldn't be in this situation right now | Dec 01 17:14 |
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| schestowitz | Let's arrange it such that Vista has DRM | Dec 01 17:14 |
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| schestowitz | MacBooks likewise. | Dec 01 17:14 |
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| schestowitz | People will buy stuff repeatedly. | Dec 01 17:15 |
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| kevin__ | as long as it's shiny and has a nice ad | Dec 01 17:15 |
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| schestowitz | People produce via peers... so just kill effective communication ports | Dec 01 17:15 |
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| schestowitz | Spsonsor and subsidize those who are involved in trend-making | Dec 01 17:15 |
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| schestowitz | They are called the "copyrights cartel" even by notable authors | Dec 01 17:15 |
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| kevin__ | then there are people who know about drm and stuff but buy into it anyway... like leo laporte | Dec 01 17:16 |
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| schestowitz | They sees it as a privilege to be sole producers for a negligible crown of mere mortals. | Dec 01 17:16 |
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| schestowitz | Which is a form of arrogance that ancient Greece considered a sin. | Dec 01 17:16 |
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| kevin__ | one second they are complaining about it, the next they're pushing it on people :) | Dec 01 17:16 |
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| schestowitz | _doug: re HDD, hardly surprising. | Dec 01 17:16 |
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| schestowitz | They collaborate with the Vole | Dec 01 17:17 |
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| schestowitz | They get back doors. | Dec 01 17:17 |
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| kevin__ | case in point, audible | Dec 01 17:17 |
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| schestowitz | Now it's just out in the open | Dec 01 17:17 |
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| schestowitz | People can no longer own PCs | Dec 01 17:17 |
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| schestowitz | They /share/ PCs with babysitters (adults too) | Dec 01 17:17 |
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| schestowitz | They don't buy content | Dec 01 17:17 |
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| schestowitz | They /rent/ content | Dec 01 17:17 |
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| kevin__ | yep | Dec 01 17:17 |
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| _doug | new Cloud browser operating system .. | Dec 01 17:17 |
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| _doug | http://www.linuxpromagazine.com/online/news/good_o... | Dec 01 17:17 |
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| schestowitz | Just seen it. ;-) | Dec 01 17:18 |
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| schestowitz | Do your friends know DRM? | Dec 01 17:19 |
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| kevin__ | not really | Dec 01 17:19 |
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| schestowitz | If you say DRM, do they go like "what?" | Dec 01 17:19 |
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| schestowitz | It's disgraceful. | Dec 01 17:19 |
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| kevin__ | some of them just circumvent it, which doesn't help the situation any | Dec 01 17:19 |
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| schestowitz | They are not teaching people about it on TV | Dec 01 17:19 |
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| schestowitz | As though it's teaching people about cracking | Dec 01 17:19 |
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| schestowitz | Or the making og a bomb | Dec 01 17:19 |
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| _doug | Europe rejects stem cell patent .. | Dec 01 17:20 |
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| _doug | http://www.guardian.co.uk/science/2008/nov/... | Dec 01 17:20 |
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| schestowitz | So the only way to inform people about DRM is stuff like blogs, E-mail, word of mouth | Dec 01 17:20 |
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| schestowitz | The media is apathetic, probably by design. | Dec 01 17:20 |
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| _doug | DRM is also usefull in monitoring what peopel are watching .. | Dec 01 17:20 |
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| schestowitz | "Fighting patents one by one will never eliminate the danger of software patents, any more than swatting mosquitoes will eliminate malaria." --Richard Stallman | Dec 01 17:20 |
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| kevin__ | but if the law was enforced, it would also help | Dec 01 17:21 |
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| schestowitz | “Staff at the European Patent Office went on strike accusing the organization of corruption: specifically, stretching the standards for patents in order to make more money.” http://www.stallman.org/archives/2008-jul-oct... | Dec 01 17:21 |
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| schestowitz | _doug: yes, that too | Dec 01 17:21 |
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| schestowitz | DRM is black-boxing. | Dec 01 17:21 |
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| schestowitz | Media+'authorised' player | Dec 01 17:21 |
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| kevin__ | it's also a way to turn consumers' old hardware into literal garbage | Dec 01 17:22 |
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| schestowitz | Someone showed me a site the other day -- one that encourages not to buy new h/w | Dec 01 17:22 |
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| kevin__ | even if said hardware could still be useful in some manor, like the xbox | Dec 01 17:22 |
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| _doug | I hereby patent all GTCA base pairs .. :) | Dec 01 17:22 |
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| schestowitz | I proably ought to give away my spare PC at home... it's quite powerful. | Dec 01 17:22 |
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| schestowitz | If only I could give up on the need for backup uinit. | Dec 01 17:23 |
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| schestowitz | kevin__: the world will wake up when Africans come banging on our door. | Dec 01 17:23 |
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| schestowitz | It's human crime what's done here. | Dec 01 17:23 |
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| schestowitz | All the trash is transported for others to choke and die on. | Dec 01 17:23 |
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| schestowitz | But.... that's "Them" (R), so it's 'OK' | Dec 01 17:24 |
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| schestowitz | If it were the other way around (Africans using Europe as its dumpster), it would be a different story | Dec 01 17:24 |
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| kevin__ | yes, going back to the whole OEM licensing, those companies are anti-recycling | Dec 01 17:24 |
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| PetoKraus | gosh | Dec 01 17:24 |
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| PetoKraus | i'm just reading about the Megan case | Dec 01 17:24 |
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| schestowitz | Recycle? Oh gosh! | Dec 01 17:25 |
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| PetoKraus | bloody fucking hell, are people nuts, or what? | Dec 01 17:25 |
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| schestowitz | What would *THAT* contribute to the ecnomy? | Dec 01 17:25 |
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| kevin__ | "don't recycle, but a new one!" :) | Dec 01 17:25 |
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| kevin__ | buy* | Dec 01 17:25 |
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| PetoKraus | What the hell are they doing in the States? | Dec 01 17:25 |
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| schestowitz | Where economy doesn't not mean 'economy' (green) but means money. | Dec 01 17:25 |
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| schestowitz | PetoKraus: yes, I know. | Dec 01 17:25 |
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| PetoKraus | it's aggravating | Dec 01 17:26 |
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| PetoKraus | honestly | Dec 01 17:26 |
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| PetoKraus | this is exactly the moment when you want to take baseball bat | Dec 01 17:26 |
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| PetoKraus | and mash up their faces for being so stupid | Dec 01 17:26 |
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| schestowitz | PetoKraus: [sarcasm] send her to Guatanamo bay for some water boarding. | Dec 01 17:26 |
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| kevin__ | that was a rape case right? | Dec 01 17:26 |
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| kevin__ | that megan one? | Dec 01 17:26 |
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| schestowitz | Though shalt not do online mischiefs | Dec 01 17:26 |
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| PetoKraus | kevin__: not really | Dec 01 17:26 |
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| PetoKraus | girl commits suicide because of myspace bullyling | Dec 01 17:27 |
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| _doug | Intellectual Ventures (IV) buy into Transmeta .. | Dec 01 17:27 |
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| _doug | http://opensource.sys-con.com/node/763497 | Dec 01 17:27 |
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| schestowitz | Yuck | Dec 01 17:27 |
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| schestowitz | Do they buy Linus too? | Dec 01 17:27 |
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| PetoKraus | and the person who bullied her goes into jail for that | Dec 01 17:27 |
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| kevin__ | oh ok, i was thinking of megan's law which i though had something to do with rape | Dec 01 17:27 |
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| kevin__ | thought* | Dec 01 17:27 |
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| schestowitz | PetoKraus: I hope noone whom I criticise in BN commits suicide. | Dec 01 17:28 |
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| schestowitz | Yuck, _doug, you're feeding the Sys-con Monster | Dec 01 17:28 |
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| kevin__ | we've all heard of "digital restrictions management" but what do you think of "dominate/manipulate consumers act" for the DMCA? | Dec 01 17:31 |
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| schestowitz | McKinnon's fate decided on Obama day < http://www.theinquirer.net/gb/inquirer/news/2... > | Dec 01 17:31 |
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| kevin__ | does it sound any good? | Dec 01 17:31 |
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| schestowitz | It's corporations becoming the govt. | Dec 01 17:32 |
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| schestowitz | People need to fight against it. | Dec 01 17:32 |
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| schestowitz | Don't ask me. | Dec 01 17:32 |
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| schestowitz | Ask anyone who observes how the so-called 'elites' take control until the point of unrest of collapse. | Dec 01 17:32 |
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| PetoKraus | schestowitz: well it won't matter for you | Dec 01 17:33 |
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| PetoKraus | after all, you write your terms of service | Dec 01 17:33 |
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| _doug | "William P. Tai informed the Board .. of Transmeta .. that he plans to retire .. fulfill .. commitments at Charles River Ventures, a venture capital firm .." | Dec 01 17:33 |
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| _doug | http://investorvillage.com/mbthread.asp?mb... | Dec 01 17:33 |
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| _doug | Intellectual Ventures .. | Dec 01 17:33 |
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| _doug | http://www.crv.com/portfolio/softw... | Dec 01 17:33 |
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| schestowitz | Now with the depression it'll get worse cause they'll sweep up all the small companies and centralise further. | Dec 01 17:33 |
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| schestowitz | What's Charles River Ventures? | Dec 01 17:34 |
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| kevin__ | i would have thought it would get better because people wouldn't be buying as much DRM-infected content | Dec 01 17:34 |
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| schestowitz | Oh, I see... | Dec 01 17:34 |
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| schestowitz | Charles River Venture -> Charles River Venture -> Intellectual Ventures > Gates/nathanm | Dec 01 17:35 |
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| _doug | Is a company started by a former Transmeta board member, just after IV invested in his company and Transmeta .. | Dec 01 17:35 |
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| schestowitz | Spread the load | Dec 01 17:35 |
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| schestowitz | Isn't that shell of Gates also a subsidiary? | Dec 01 17:36 |
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| schestowitz | And then there's Acacia. | Dec 01 17:36 |
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| schestowitz | Umbrella under another umbrella. | Dec 01 17:36 |
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| schestowitz | Microsoft could separate R&D, make is a separate company, say... INNOVA~1soft, then sue companies and say "well, we have no products" and we have nothing to do with that Macrosift thingie. | Dec 01 17:37 |
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| schestowitz | Say goodbye to Google Earth? http://www.pcworld.com/article/154690... | Dec 01 17:38 |
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| schestowitz | Kitchen knife... weapon of terrorism | Dec 01 17:39 |
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| kevin__ | that would sure be sad | Dec 01 17:39 |
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| schestowitz | Twitter... weapon of terrorism | Dec 01 17:39 |
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| schestowitz | Voice... weapon of terrorism | Dec 01 17:39 |
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| schestowitz | Virtual globe... weapon of terrorism | Dec 01 17:39 |
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| kevin__ | haha | Dec 01 17:39 |
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| kevin__ | yes, where does it stop | Dec 01 17:39 |
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| schestowitz | Nowhere. | Dec 01 17:39 |
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| schestowitz | It's stupid. | Dec 01 17:39 |
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| schestowitz | Had they not have GE, they would have used another set of imagery | Dec 01 17:39 |
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| schestowitz | That also debunks that whole "no photography" policy | Dec 01 17:40 |
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| schestowitz | Heck. | Dec 01 17:40 |
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| kevin__ | people write software to steal money and the like too, so perhaps they will outlaw compilers | Dec 01 17:40 |
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| schestowitz | If I want a photo of something, I go to Flickr and broser a billion or so. | Dec 01 17:40 |
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| schestowitz | *browse | Dec 01 17:40 |
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| _doug | "Charles River Ventures, a venture capital firm" | Dec 01 17:40 |
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| _doug | http://snipurl.com/6zy68 | Dec 01 17:40 |
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| kevin__ | or make trusted computing mandatory | Dec 01 17:41 |
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| schestowitz | BWHWHW... I must be planning to attack Eiffel Tower... "We found 387,225 results matching eiffel." < http://www.flickr.com/search/?q=e... > | Dec 01 17:41 |
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| schestowitz | You could probably find every little nut and bolt on that thing. | Dec 01 17:42 |
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| kevin__ | there's a fantastic video on youtube about trusted computing | Dec 01 17:42 |
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| schestowitz | But if you wear a mask and take photos you'll be removes from the scene. Well, it keeps the cops busy... make them feel like they do something.... "movie plot" threat | Dec 01 17:42 |
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| schestowitz | _doug: good business for "Charles" | Dec 01 17:43 |
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| schestowitz | The economy is trillions in debts... no exports... time for some imaginary export. | Dec 01 17:43 |
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| schestowitz | "Haallo... Mr. Lee... ya, ya... would you love to buy some of my IP?" | Dec 01 17:44 |
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| kevin__ | you mean rent? :) | Dec 01 17:44 |
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| schestowitz | Yes. | Dec 01 17:44 |
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| schestowitz | But patents expire | Dec 01 17:44 |
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| schestowitz | No-one knows when. | Dec 01 17:44 |
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| PetoKraus | half the pictures of eiffel tower on flickr are violating that immensely stupid copyright | Dec 01 17:44 |
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| schestowitz | Like copyrights... | Dec 01 17:45 |
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| PetoKraus | the good thing is, the pictures themselves are copyrighted | Dec 01 17:45 |
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| _doug | MS newsletter spam: | Dec 01 17:45 |
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| schestowitz | 20 years ago it would have expired in the 90s... then they corrupt the law... and VOILA! 95 years!! | Dec 01 17:45 |
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| kevin__ | as far as i'm concerned, copyrights never expire, because by the time they do i'll be long gone... what is it now the life of the author plus 50 years? | Dec 01 17:45 |
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| PetoKraus | "you have to ask me to use my photo", no, you have to pay license to publish this photo in the first place, MORON | Dec 01 17:45 |
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| schestowitz | I use Stock Exchange. | Dec 01 17:46 |
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| schestowitz | Based in Hungary | Dec 01 17:46 |
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| _doug | Why didn't my spam assasian catch that MS spam ? | Dec 01 17:46 |
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| schestowitz | http://www.sxc.hu/browse.phtml | Dec 01 17:46 |
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| schestowitz | BN uses lots from there. It's great for the price. | Dec 01 17:47 |
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