05.06.09

IRC: #boycottnovell @ FreeNode: May 6th, 2009 – Part 3

Posted in IRC Logs at 9:24 pm by Dr. Roy Schestowitz

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schestowitz Essentially, Silicon Valley startups are borrowing money from China now (through the borrowing chain) May 06 13:54
oiaohm http://www.khronos.org/  All the core opengl are licenced to this group iwmw May 06 13:55
schestowitz Hmmmmmmmm… http://boycottnovell.com/2009/… to avoid Godwin’s law I ought to have clarified that the “digs and Chinese” thing is the reference here.. I heard that the British used to have some signs in their premises back in the imperial days. May 06 13:57
oiaohm Its a pitty with the 2002 case iwmw that MS woke up before doing a SCO. May 06 13:57
schestowitz http://www.bbc.co.uk/go/rss/-/b… “Cuil, set up by some ex-Google employees, raised a pile of money and a good deal of publicity last year, promising more detailed results, but has since faded from view. “ May 06 13:58
schestowitz This article comes from a MSFTer May 06 13:58
schestowitz I suspect it’s a little Google hostile, but I didn’t read the whole thing May 06 13:58
oiaohm SGI had transfered them the right to use and on licence the patents.   But had kept the rights to use and licence the patents as they saw fit.   This includes allowing opengl something they invented to keep on using them. May 06 13:58
schestowitz MS wants to dethrone Google based on public distrust May 06 13:59
schestowitz “Google spies on you” May 06 13:59
schestowitz “Google will devour your kids” May 06 13:59
schestowitz “Google is pedo stuff…” May 06 13:59
oiaohm Needs to be mirrored back. May 06 13:59
schestowitz Yesterday it was “taliban” May 06 13:59
schestowitz Microsoft hope that people will boycott Google May 06 13:59
schestowitz It’s all it has left May 06 13:59
oiaohm Just like ODF failure needs to be turned around to be a lack of developer problems in MS. May 06 13:59
oiaohm Turn it into a nice fear play so MS attempted gain becomes there loss. May 06 14:00
schestowitz Rory Cellan-Jones : Searching for another Google May 06 14:00
schestowitz Takehome message (from this known friend of Microsoft): we need to look beyond Google for search May 06 14:00
iwmw oiaohm: thanks, at least i can feel safe about open gl May 06 14:02
oiaohm Really SGI was hoping MS would fall hook line and sinker for it. May 06 14:02
oiaohm Once you have started legal action getting out of it can be a major problem as SCO is finding out. May 06 14:03
iwmw http://www.theregister.co.uk/20… May 06 14:06
trmanco http://blog.linuxtoday.com/blo… May 06 14:19
schestowitz heh. May 06 14:36
schestowitz Similar to a post I made this morning May 06 14:36
schestowitz Quoting GreyGeek May 06 14:37
trmanco :) May 06 14:37
schestowitz New from PR Watch: http://www.prwatch.org/node/8361 May 06 14:37
schestowitz New Advertising Trend: Fake “Public Service” Ads < http://www.prwatch.org/node/8366 > May 06 14:38
twitter I wonder if the word on M$’s campus is, “Use Google and we will fire you.” May 06 14:41
schestowitz PR Watch might have to call it quits :-( http://www.prwatch.org/node/8360 May 06 14:41
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trmanco Gnote 0.3.1 May 06 14:48
trmanco http://mail.gnome.org/archives/f… May 06 14:48
trmanco check the nice fixes May 06 14:49
trmanco :D May 06 14:49
iwmw sounds like a deep beta May 06 15:00
trmanco lol May 06 15:03
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schestowitz trmanco: yes, I messaged you about it earlier May 06 15:29
trmanco here on irc? I probably wasn’t connected to my bouncer May 06 15:29
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twitter everyone needs money, PR watch included.  note that they are hiring on the same page, http://www.prwatch.org/ed_search May 06 15:32
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Carl_Rover2k12 hear yee hear yee the FTC along with the DoD is doing M$’s handy work by suing Apple and Google for collaborating while Novell and Gentoo relationship walk free May 06 15:50
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schestowitz Hi, Carl_Rover2k12 May 06 15:59
schestowitz I was just writing an interesting post about the drug industry May 06 15:59
Carl_Rover2k12 schestowitz: hey, did you hear about the FTC filing an anti-trust suite against Apple and Google for colaborating? May 06 15:59
schestowitz Google and Apple May 06 15:59
schestowitz Two birds with one stone for the Vole May 06 16:00
Carl_Rover2k12 schestowitz: yep May 06 16:00
schestowitz The FTC has history with the Vole May 06 16:00
schestowitz Search BN for FTC May 06 16:00
schestowitz Carl_Rover2k12: what has Groklaw picked by now? May 06 16:00
schestowitz I hardly read News Picks there anymore. No time, too much legal news May 06 16:00
Carl_Rover2k12 schestowitz: actually I picked it up on another hyperlinking blog, Slashdot May 06 16:01
Carl_Rover2k12 schestowitz: oh I see, FTC is moving to help soften the blow of SCO on M$ May 06 16:02
Eruaran hello May 06 16:02
Eruaran I did something i probably shouldn’t have done earlier May 06 16:02
schestowitz Carl_Rover2k12: SCO? May 06 16:02
Eruaran I commented on /. May 06 16:02
schestowitz Where? May 06 16:02
schestowitz Eruaran: what’s it about? May 06 16:03
Eruaran oh just some responses to other comments May 06 16:03
Eruaran but… May 06 16:03
Eruaran you know, if you comment on /. May 06 16:03
Eruaran there’s no telling how deep the rabbit hole will go ;) May 06 16:03
Carl_Rover2k12 schestowitz: its on the front page of Groklaw May 06 16:07
Carl_Rover2k12 nothing to do with what I stated before, sorry :P May 06 16:08
schestowitz The Pharmaceutical Cartel http://boycottnovell.com/2009/05/… May 06 16:09
*schestowitz looks at GL May 06 16:10
schestowitz Carl_Rover2k12: she didn’t do an article on it May 06 16:10
schestowitz “U.S. Trustee Moves to Convert SCO Bankruptcy to Chapter 7 – Updated” May 06 16:11
schestowitz “SCO Responds to Gray’s Proposed Amicus Brief” May 06 16:11
schestowitz I’ll just drop a coupla’ sentences as a placeholder anyway May 06 16:11
Carl_Rover2k12 schestowitz: yea, the first one you stated was written by tux apparently May 06 16:13
Carl_Rover2k12 schestowitz: btw, Realtors seem to be doing their own parody of Pharma PR campaigns by hosting mock news alerts on TV May 06 16:13
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schestowitz A one-sentence explanation of background for the FTC lawsuit: http://boycottnovell.com/2009/05… May 06 16:34
schestowitz Watch this from Mercola about swine flu: http://articles.mercola.com/sites/a… May 06 16:38
schestowitz My submission is missing: http://www.epo.org/patents/appeals/eba… May 06 16:41
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schestowitz The MS cartel is filling Twitter with ODF propaganda, still May 06 16:46
trmanco Safari, Opera Users Lag Behind in Security Updates: http://voices.washingtonpost.com/securi… May 06 16:51
schestowitz More Vista7 failures: http://www.theinquirer.net/inquirer/new… May 06 16:53
schestowitz I love this one: May 06 16:53
schestowitz “During a demonstration at CES of their new Eee Netbook range, featuring Windows 7 touch screen technology, the company twice failed to get their new Netbook to work with the screen freezing as executives tried to demonstrate new models.” http://www.channelnews.com.au/Sales_A… May 06 16:53
schestowitz Watch what MS did to ASUS May 06 16:54
schestowitz “ASUS Walloped As Profits Crash 94%  “ May 06 16:54
schestowitz Oh YEAH! May 06 16:54
schestowitz Liaising with Microsoft really paid off for them. May 06 16:54
schestowitz trmanco: I wouldn’t have posted about gnote to USENET because it’s repetitive,but it’s good that you do this. I guess it’s a minor release anyway May 06 16:56
schestowitz It’s not too useful to call it “Experimental” May 06 16:56
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schestowitz As if to say it might be called off or something May 06 16:56
trmanco why not May 06 16:56
schestowitz it’s being bundled already May 06 16:56
trmanco have you seen the troll replies? May 06 16:56
schestowitz 18075 pageviews in BN in the past 12 hours. Maybe cause I did 14 posts today May 06 16:57
trmanco well, the “experimental” state is still what is one the official page May 06 16:57
schestowitz trmanco: no, haven’t seen trolls May 06 16:57
trmanco on* May 06 16:57
schestowitz They are becoming pathetic and rude May 06 16:57
schestowitz This means they totally lose it May 06 16:57
Carl_Rover2k12 schestowitz: but crashing during presentations is pretty normal in the Windows world May 06 16:57
trmanco kernel hacker and fishy boy are replying to each other May 06 16:57
schestowitz The trolls are like Vista May 06 16:57
schestowitz They are fat, unlikable and not stable or reliable May 06 16:58
schestowitz Carl_Rover2k12: at least there were no BSODs May 06 16:58
schestowitz Like in win98 May 06 16:58
schestowitz “now we’ll plug in a new printer…” May 06 16:58
trmanco mr. kernel hacker also stated that he couldn’t find gnote’s page on google, whereas it’s on the first page May 06 16:59
trmanco first ten entries* May 06 16:59
schestowitz Qook doesn’t use Google May 06 16:59
schestowitz he’s among the minority of MS employees who use MS May 06 16:59
schestowitz *MSN May 06 16:59
schestowitz What Net neutrality and bandwidth caps may really be for: http://www.theinquirer.net/inquirer/new… May 06 17:01
trmanco My drive is failing… or not: http://nicubunu.blogspot.com/… Fedora gets smart May 06 17:03
trmanco Another user moves to Gnote, removes Mono from his system too -> http://nicubunu.blogspot.com/2… May 06 17:04
trmanco Systray finally in action (KDE): http://www.notmart.org/index… May 06 17:08
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trmanco If mono brings doubt, moonlight sheds light: http://nocturn.vsbnet.be/node/146 May 06 17:13
Balrog_ just read <http://www.computing.net/answers/windows-xp…> May 06 17:18
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schestowitz Balrog_: I think I saw it recently May 06 17:28
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trmanco ah, there you are May 06 17:46
trmanco welcome back May 06 17:46
trmanco Windows 7 Fail: http://www.f-secure.com/weblog/ar… May 06 17:46
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schestowitz I’d have to merge logs May 06 17:48
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schestowitz trmanco: no, haven’t seen trolls May 06 16:37
trmanco on* May 06 16:37
schestowitz They are becoming pathetic and rude May 06 16:38
schestowitz This means they totally lose it May 06 16:38
Carl_Rover2k12 schestowitz: but crashing during presentations is pretty normal in the Windows world May 06 16:38
trmanco kernel hacker and fishy boy are replying to each other May 06 16:38
schestowitz The trolls are like Vista May 06 16:38
schestowitz They are fat, unlikable and not stable or reliable May 06 16:38
schestowitz Carl_Rover2k12: at least there were no BSODs May 06 16:38
schestowitz Like in win98 May 06 16:39
schestowitz “now we’ll plug in a new printer…” May 06 16:39
trmanco mr. kernel hacker also stated that he couldn’t find gnote’s page on google, whereas it’s on the first page May 06 16:39
trmanco first ten entries* May 06 16:39
schestowitz Qook doesn’t use Google May 06 16:39
schestowitz he’s among the minority of MS employees who use MS May 06 16:40
schestowitz *MSN May 06 16:40
schestowitz What Net neutrality and bandwidth caps may really be for: http://www.theinquirer.net/inquirer/ne… May 06 16:42
trmanco My drive is failing… or not: http://nicubunu.blogspot.com/200… Fedora gets smart May 06 16:43
trmanco Another user moves to Gnote, removes Mono from his system too -> http://nicubunu.blogspot.com/200… May 06 16:44
trmanco Systray finally in action (KDE): http://www.notmart.org/index.p… May 06 16:48
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trmanco If mono brings doubt, moonlight sheds light: http://nocturn.vsbnet.be/node/146 May 06 16:54
Balrog_ just read <http://www.computing.net/answers/windows…> May 06 16:58
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trmanco Windows 7 Fail: http://www.f-secure.com/webl… May 06 17:15
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trmanco og great May 06 17:20
trmanco where is roy? May 06 17:20
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trmanco ah, there you are May 06 17:26
trmanco welcome back May 06 17:26
trmanco Windows 7 Fail: http://www.f-secure.com/weblog/a… May 06 17:26
schestowitz server fail May 06 17:28
schestowitz I’d have to merge logs May 06 17:29
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trmanco yeah May 06 17:51
trmanco brb May 06 17:51
*schestowitz writes about gnote May 06 17:51
Omar87 trmanco: This is amazing! :) May 06 17:56
trmanco schestowitz, cool May 06 17:57
trmanco Omar87, what is? May 06 17:57
Omar87 trmanco: The post about about Vista 7. It’s yet another proof that it s Vista with a fresh coat of paint. :) May 06 17:58
trmanco ah, indeed May 06 17:59
trmanco Multi-processor support coming for Firefox: http://mozillalinks.org/wp/2009/05/mu… May 06 18:05
schestowitz http://www.planetsuse.org/ Lots of Mono. Yuck. May 06 18:05
schestowitz http://automorphic.blogspot.com/2009/05/… May 06 18:05
Omar87 trmanco: lol! It reminds me of those Pepsi commercials: “The same old taste, in a brand new shape!!” —> What the hell would I need the new shape for if the taste isn’t any better??! :p May 06 18:06
schestowitz Cola and Pepsi are fgor image May 06 18:09
schestowitz If you drink it then your friends will think you’re like the guy/gal in the ads May 06 18:09
schestowitz That’s the methodology of their marketing May 06 18:09
schestowitz New Version of Gnote Released, Already Earns New Users Who Boast Mono Relief < http://boycottnovell.com/2009/05/06/… > May 06 18:10
schestowitz How Microsoft’s cuts will weigh on worker morale, local economy < http://www.techflash.com/microsoft… >. This doesn’t even account for contracts and pay cuts May 06 18:13
schestowitz Microsoft cuts 1,200 in WA state <  http://www.techflash.com/microsoft… > May 06 18:13
trmanco ALSA 1.0.20 Released, Many Fixes & Improvements: http://www.phoronix.com/s… May 06 18:15
schestowitz ALSA… who cares? May 06 18:19
schestowitz :-) May 06 18:19
schestowitz Snooping no more how you vote in the UK: Jacqui Smith’s secret plan to carry on snooping < http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/n… > May 06 18:24
schestowitz RMS (??): “I see nothing to criticize if a man (or a woman, if so inclined) associates with pretty, young women — or pretty, young men, or both — or goes to bed with them. I would not reject my lover for having other lovers. I don’t believe in exclusivity as a principle or moral obligation in love relationships, and I don’t ask for it from those I love.” May 06 18:25
schestowitz Nepalese prime minister resigns from cabinet < http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2009/m… > May 06 18:26
schestowitz I keep seeing the same mistake. Moonlight is not a “port” of Silverlight. You repeat a factual mistake here. May 06 18:27
schestowitz Yikes. Open-source working as advertised: ICINGA forks Nagios < http://news.cnet.com/8301-13505_3-… > May 06 18:29
schestowitz Leading businessmen launch protest against Heathrow’s third runway < http://www.guardian.co.uk/business/… > May 06 18:29
schestowitz FOSS people stick around in FOSS: Marketcetera Taps Former MySQL Executive For Its Advisory Board < http://ostatic.com/blog/marketcetera-ta… > May 06 18:31
Omar87 Anybody knows how many big companies in the US actually use C# in their projects? May 06 18:37
schestowitz Linux at 1 percent?! Ha! It’s more like 45 percent http://blog.internetnews.com/skerner/… 1% Linux Market Share = 100% Dishonesty http://blog.linuxtoday.com/blog/200… May 06 18:38
schestowitz Omar87: they use Java May 06 18:38
schestowitz Unless you ask MS or its affiliate ‘experts’ May 06 18:39
schestowitz Microsoft=lie company May 06 18:39
schestowitz Just watch the examples I’ve just posted (1% nonsense) May 06 18:39
Omar87 schestowitz: I know, abut I also heard that the margin between Java-powered projects .’SHIT’-powered projects is quickly closing, is that anywhere near ‘true’? May 06 18:40
schestowitz Apple’s Hypocrisy is Staggering < http://www.daniweb.com/blogs… > May 06 18:40
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_air Omar87, did you see many .net apps? May 06 18:43
_air barely, they are slow that’s why people prefer to avoid .net May 06 18:43
MinceR Bruce Byfield raises some interesting points about Net Applications’ lie report >> http://itmanagement.earthweb.com/osr… May 06 18:43
schestowitz SCO is done. No, really this time.. almost. http://www.groklaw.net/article… May 06 18:50
schestowitz Net Lipplications May 06 18:51
schestowitz Wine is losing focus.. ;-p  http://www.wine-reviews.net/wine-review… May 06 18:52
schestowitz http://money.cnn.com/2009/05/… May 06 18:54
schestowitz “Red Hat: Red Hat (RHT), which markets open-source software including the operating system Linux, had often been named as a likely acquisition for Oracle before the Sun deal. Still, analysts say the company remains primed for a takeover. Red Hat declined to comment. May 06 18:54
schestowitz “I can still see Red Hat going to Oracle or another software vendor that wants a cooperating system,” said Hochmuth. “ May 06 18:54
schestowitz still rumours of Oracle buying Red Hat. May 06 18:54
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Omar87 _air: I’m not sure, but there is a fair number of .net apps here and there. May 06 19:10
schestowitz http://www.guardian.co.uk/techno… “As it’s open source, this is easily accomplished by “releasing it into the community”, which will make it reliant on Novell and IBM, the only other companies to put significant numbers of programmers into the work.” May 06 19:13
schestowitz Omar87: Sure, it’s not extinct May 06 19:13
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Balrog_ Omar87: hobbyist-produced .NET apps are the most annoying May 06 19:16
Balrog_ that’s what I find mono useful for May 06 19:17
bgtr4 like turtlish adiirc May 06 19:18
Balrog_ .?. May 06 19:20
bgtr4 adiirc is hobbyist produced May 06 19:21
bgtr4 and it’s annoying May 06 19:21
bgtr4 ’cause it’s slow May 06 19:21
schestowitz More on SCO being fried: http://www.tradingmarkets.com/.site/n… May 06 19:22
Balrog_ bgtr4: ahh. well there are certain ‘specialized’ apps, if you could call them that, that are written in .NET for windows May 06 19:35
Balrog_ and I don’t like Windows, so I end up using mono for those May 06 19:36
Balrog_ just as I use wine for running some Windows apps May 06 19:36
schestowitz I wonder how many *nux users user wine May 06 19:46
schestowitz what %tage May 06 19:46
schestowitz me totally fell behind today. Almost 20 posts so far. May 06 19:49
Balrog_ what do you mean? May 06 19:49
schestowitz There’s no big news really. May 06 19:49
Balrog_ the only thing I use wine for are small specific apps that require windows May 06 19:49
schestowitz In BN I did many posts May 06 19:50
schestowitz The SCO news is big May 06 19:50
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Balrog_ schestowitz: why do things like this happen: http://news.cnet.com/2100-100… May 06 20:54
Balrog_ ‘no longer available’!! May 06 20:54
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schestowitz Is that the ZDNet article? May 06 20:59
schestowitz Where is it linked from? May 06 20:59
schestowitz That would be the ozzie article, no? May 06 20:59
schestowitz Or Allchin May 06 21:00
schestowitz 2001 May 06 21:00
schestowitz Yes, probably the POS Allchin May 06 21:00
schestowitz I remember those remarks May 06 21:00
schestowitz CNET doesn’t want to show a FOSS-hostile MS, you think? May 06 21:00
schestowitz They changed their tune for STRATGIC reasons alone May 06 21:00
Balrog_ yes, Allchin May 06 21:00
schestowitz Just the tune, not the feelin’ May 06 21:01
Balrog_ no archived copy? May 06 21:01
schestowitz Dunno May 06 21:01
schestowitz Check Web archive, look up the URL May 06 21:01
Balrog_ looked in web archive May 06 21:01
schestowitz Then try to see if there’s a Web mirror that’s alive May 06 21:01
schestowitz Nothing in the archive? May 06 21:01
schestowitz If not, then I’ll post about it in BN May 06 21:01
Balrog_ meh, it’s right on cnet May 06 21:01
Balrog_ http://news.cnet.com/Open-source-advoca… May 06 21:01
Balrog_ funny … “Joining Torvalds in endorsing the statement were free-software evangelist Bruce Perens, open-source advocate Eric Raymond, GNOME desktop founder Miguel de Icaza, Perl programming-language creator Larry Wall and Python language creator Guido van Rossum. “ May 06 21:02
Balrog_ << statement against MS May 06 21:02
Balrog_ schestowitz: read that before? May 06 21:04
Balrog_ oh also … I replaced flash with the 64bit beta and no more problems, for now at least May 06 21:04
Balrog_ it’s still proprietary code though May 06 21:04
schestowitz Novell General Manager: Microsoft Won’t Bid for Novell, But You Can Never Say Never < http://boycottnovell.com/2009/05/… > May 06 21:07
schestowitz Balrog_: yes, Flash is annoying because it’s useless for what it is May 06 21:08
schestowitz I only use it for video May 06 21:08
schestowitz I don’t need f*ing binaries for videos May 06 21:08
schestowitz I just need video content May 06 21:08
schestowitz That’s all May 06 21:08
Balrog_ yes. May 06 21:09
schestowitz Flash is a useless encpsulation for flying objects and stuff May 06 21:09
Balrog_ flash is annoying with video too May 06 21:09
schestowitz “Open-source advocates answer Microsoft” May 06 21:09
Balrog_ it can be used to facilitate drm May 06 21:09
schestowitz But where it the missing article? May 06 21:09
Balrog_ sorry, my bad\ May 06 21:10
schestowitz The second one is 3 months newerr May 06 21:10
schestowitz I did a google May 06 21:10
schestowitz none in there May 06 21:10
schestowitz Just the castrated article May 06 21:10
Balrog_ wow May 06 21:11
Balrog_ it was used as a reference in a masters degree thesis May 06 21:11
Balrog_ /wi8 May 06 21:13
Balrog_ sorry May 06 21:13
schestowitz The Web Archive does not have a copy of the full article, right? May 06 21:13
Balrog_ not AFAICT May 06 21:13
Balrog_ nope. May 06 21:14
Balrog_ :( May 06 21:14
Balrog_ do you have a copy? May 06 21:15
Balrog_ now another thing … cdrtools is being superseded by libburn, so soon Joerg Schilling won’t be able to complain (libburn has none of ‘his’ code whatsoever) May 06 21:17
schestowitz Why Did CNET Remove Microsoft’s Attack on Open Source? – http://boycottnovell.com/2009/05/06… May 06 21:25
MinceR http://voristrip.tumblr.com/post/10… May 06 21:29
schestowitz Dell hunting M&A guru < http://www.channelregister.co.uk/200… > May 06 21:31
schestowitz Borland is bought! Brit software group swallows Borland for $67m < http://www.theregister.co.uk/2009/… > May 06 21:31
schestowitz Zombie software that everyone hate is still alive: http://www.channelregister.co.uk/… May 06 21:32
schestowitz EU urges Internet governance revamp < http://www.reuters.com/article/t… >. Well overdue. I think it was Chevron’s Rice  (of the Bush regime) who resisted it before. May 06 21:34
schestowitz We got linked in ComputerWorld: http://blogs.computerworld.com/h… May 06 21:37
schestowitz http://www.informationweek.com/news/sec… NoScript Developer Apologizes For Meddling With AdBlock May 06 21:42
schestowitz Good for GNU/Linux:  Leaked copies of Windows 7 RC contain Trojan < http://www.computerworld.com.au/article/30… > May 06 21:49
MinceR windows itself is a trojan :> May 06 21:49
MinceR it tricks the user or oem into installing it and then it does damage May 06 21:50
schestowitz :-D May 06 21:50
MinceR (pretending that it’s a useful program) May 06 21:50
schestowitz I think I broke BN record today. 20 or more posts. May 06 21:50
bgtr4 cool May 06 21:51
schestowitz The whole Eugenics thing came up May 06 21:51
schestowitz Firefox hits 270 million users, without Linux < http://blog.internetnews.com/skern… > May 06 21:54
schestowitz Only Linux comes preinstalled with it (almost only Linux) May 06 21:54
schestowitz Who knows where the whole SCO saga would have been without access to Groklaw? It served as a bridge that allowed the community to interact with the case and also hurt SCO in the wallet — where it hurts. May 06 21:58
schestowitz Who said Linux isn’t beautiful??? http://webupd8.blogspot.com/2009/0… May 06 22:00
MinceR apple fanboys (who are in love with cheap white toilet-seat plastic) say that May 06 22:00
Balrog_ schestowitz: heard of the SIAA? I hear it’s like the BSA only worse May 06 22:01
Balrog_ I was told this by a good source: May 06 22:03
Balrog_ <quote> May 06 22:03
Balrog_ they’re a company (of sorts) that targets open packets of illegially shared software downloads, and will legally attack you on the basis  that they represent the original software manufacturer May 06 22:03
Balrog_ this is without the consent OR interest of the software’s manufacturer May 06 22:03
Balrog_ they then proceed to both sue you, AND sell the data for the suit to the company whose software is in the mix May 06 22:03
Balrog_ they are also responsible for creating numerous fake download sites to farm ips, etc May 06 22:03
Balrog_ </quote> May 06 22:03
Balrog_ siaa.net btw May 06 22:03
schestowitz I heard of it May 06 22:05
schestowitz Ther’es also IASA May 06 22:05
schestowitz Depends on the country/region May 06 22:05
schestowitz Same lobbying/proxy arms May 06 22:06
Balrog_ SIAA is in the US May 06 22:06
schestowitz SIAM with an A :-) May 06 22:06
Balrog_ stuff like this too: <http://tech.blorge.com/Structure:%20/…> May 06 22:06
schestowitz You know SIAM, right? May 06 22:06
schestowitz Balrog_: it’s not our problem :-) May 06 22:06
schestowitz But I use these things to show how ugly non-Free sw is May 06 22:06
Balrog_ SIAM … mathematics? May 06 22:06
Balrog_ that is May 06 22:07
Balrog_ right? May 06 22:07
schestowitz As in, they say “open source” is risk and everything… May 06 22:07
schestowitz So you show them what else there is May 06 22:07
schestowitz yes, maths May 06 22:07
schestowitz I use their stuff sometimes May 06 22:07
schestowitz Conferences ran out of cacronym May 06 22:07
schestowitz Many conferences share the same initials May 06 22:07
Balrog_ o ok. May 06 22:07
schestowitz But many confs die out as well May 06 22:07
schestowitz Depression is globaL May 06 22:07
Balrog_ they were behind ‘don’t copy that floppy’ May 06 22:09
schestowitz http://www.junauza.com/2009/05/famous… “Fravia has been suffering from cancer for more than two years now, and on his website he recently posted a farewell message entitled “Sour ‘n Sweet Swan Song”.” May 06 22:13
schestowitz Balrog_: why would anyone want to copy BillG? May 06 22:14
Balrog_ makes all copying look bad May 06 22:16
schestowitz BN does about 7gb today May 06 22:16
schestowitz I estimate that about 4000x700k are from RSS May 06 22:17
schestowitz That’d be about 3gb per day May 06 22:17
schestowitz A lot of people read the site without stepping on it. They just grab the story contents and can read it offline, which is an interesting type of Web interaction May 06 22:18
schestowitz Mozilla Vows “No Surprises” For Firefox Add-On Users < http://www.bmighty.com/blog/main/… > May 06 22:19
schestowitz A look at Memory usage – 2009.1 with KDE4 < http://blog.linuxbox.co.nz/2009/05… > May 06 22:21
schestowitz Linux Wizard – KDE 4 job notifications issues when using removable medias < http://www.linux-wizard.net/blog-kde… > May 06 22:24
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schestowitz Phoronix milestone: 100 Tests & Counting For Linux Benchmarking < http://www.phoronix.com/scan.ph… > May 06 22:25
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schestowitz Yo balzac May 06 22:26
schestowitz Long time, no see May 06 22:26
bgtr4 there should be as well crossplatform tests May 06 22:26
balzac hey Roy May 06 22:26
balzac yeah, I’ve been productive the last week and a half :p May 06 22:27
schestowitz Linux news is boring today……Watching your hard disks is a S.M.A.R.T. thing to do.  < http://it.toolbox.com/blogs/locutu… > May 06 22:27
schestowitz balzac: productive at work? May 06 22:27
balzac yep May 06 22:27
schestowitz Sleep too can be productive May 06 22:27
balzac I’m good at sleeping May 06 22:27
MinceR hm, time for me to get productive. May 06 22:27
MinceR gn May 06 22:27
schestowitz :-) May 06 22:27
schestowitz Work is done in the mind. May 06 22:28
balzac well, it has to get out of your mind through your words or deeds to be considered work May 06 22:28
schestowitz Here’s why the future looks good for Linux in sub-notebooks: http://www.itwire.com/content/vi… May 06 22:29
balzac unless you’re your own boss and your wage is paid by your mind in addition to work being done in your mind May 06 22:29
schestowitz Work in life is not money May 06 22:29
schestowitz Unless it’s the means to an end May 06 22:29
schestowitz Some people define “work” as the activity which is used to produce money (i.e. paper that says you possess more of something) May 06 22:30
balzac in physics, work is defined with units of force applied to something, right? May 06 22:31
schestowitz Command line made easy: five simple recipes for grep < http://arstechnica.com/open-source… > May 06 22:31
schestowitz Greenpeace is work too May 06 22:31
balzac well, the mind consumes lots of calories May 06 22:31
schestowitz balzac: gardening is work May 06 22:31
balzac so it does drain you like physical work May 06 22:31
schestowitz Paper money may not be accrued but if you hire a gardener then work that you do at ‘work’ is just passed to him/her (bar tax) May 06 22:32
schestowitz There is usually a payoff to being self-sufficient because of tax on the money that changes hand (like traffic feee) May 06 22:33
schestowitz It’s a lot more fun doing ‘work’ to chase down the goons to whom money is all there is… worth killing over a million Iraqis for this money May 06 22:33
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schestowitz http://www.workswithu.com/20… “Is Ubuntu Elitist?” Nope. Is Works With U a troll? Yes. May 06 22:34
balzac If only there were bounties to collect… May 06 22:34
schestowitz Oh boy. Here comes another angry trademark. “Thinking about Refreshing the Firefox Icon” < http://blog.mozilla.com/faaborg/2009… > May 06 22:36
schestowitz Balrog_: like GWB said, “wanted dead or alive” :-) May 06 22:36
schestowitz Cowboy in the (white) house May 06 22:36
schestowitz Better than a hockey mom (after McBush gets a heart attack) May 06 22:36
schestowitz Gartner garbage used as a source here: http://searchenterpriselinux.techtarget.c… May 06 22:40
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schestowitz BN indirectly made the FP of Digg May 06 22:51
schestowitz Blech. “I can understand (but not agree with) why Microsoft may not want to produce its own Silverlight/.net framework on Linux I’m glad that they are at least working with the Mono team to make this happen.” http://talkback.zdnet.com/5208-12558-0…. May 06 23:00
schestowitz Vista7 with trojan…. leaked… went too far! Vista7 is a Trojan already, but they put another on top :-) May 06 23:02
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Balrog schestowitz: <http://temple-news.com/2009/04/21/p…> …. more again :/ May 06 23:24
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schestowitz Haha. May 06 23:27
schestowitz What’s up, oiaohm May 06 23:28
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oiaohm http://www.oooninja.com/2009/05/mi…  Interesting read schestowitz May 06 23:37
schestowitz yes, old May 06 23:39
schestowitz Well, I have more May 06 23:39
schestowitz It is from the 4rd? May 06 23:39
schestowitz *3 May 06 23:40
oiaohm I know its old.  It was still a interesting read. May 06 23:40
schestowitz I can put the latest here May 06 23:41
schestowitz http://www.h-online.com/open/Dispute… http://www.zdnetasia.com/news/… May 06 23:42
schestowitz That’s the press catching yo May 06 23:42
schestowitz *up May 06 23:42
oiaohm Its the details of what don’t work in the reference documents. May 06 23:43
schestowitz There’s more coming May 06 23:45
schestowitz presentation (odp) and docs (odf) May 06 23:45
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oiaohm Hmm debian changing away from glibc to eglibc  its going to be interesting to see how this fork turns out. May 06 23:51
schestowitz Yes, I saw that May 06 23:52
schestowitz Was gonna post it in an hours May 06 23:52
schestowitz *hour May 06 23:52
oiaohm OpenOffice 3.1.0 will be soon.   Binaries mirroring out threw mirrors at moment. May 06 23:54
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    To quote the source: “FSF president Geoff Knauth became the president of the FSF in 2020, but has served on the FSF board of directors for over twenty years. FSF executive director John Sullivan started work with the FSF in 2003, and has never stopped since, with past roles including the FSF’s first Campaigns Manager and later the Manager of Operations.”



  30. Richard Stallman on Companies That Are “Only Pretending to be American Companies”

    Dr. Richard Stallman, the Free Software Foundation's founder, speaks about US politics being captured and dominated by large and multinational corporations in pursuit of just money and power


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