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schestowitz>>> but the tweet words are about FSFE, that is these photos and links:Jan 04 01:03
schestowitz>>>Jan 04 01:04
schestowitz>>> https://fsfellowship.eu/matthias-kirschner-fsfe-objectifies-women-valentines-day/Jan 04 01:04
schestowitz>>> (Bonnie Mehring)Jan 04 01:04
schestowitz>>>Jan 04 01:04
schestowitz>>> https://fsfellowship.eu/matthias-kirschner-fsfe-coercing-interns-to-be-photographed/Jan 04 01:04
schestowitz>>> (Olga Gkotsopoulou)Jan 04 01:04
schestowitz>> This is not a mistake. I didn't select the photo, Twitter picks up theJan 04 01:04
schestowitz>> photos. The sentence quoted is the first sentence in the correspondingJan 04 01:04
-TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-Operation timed out after 10001 milliseconds with 0 out of 0 bytes received ( status 0 @ https://fsfellowship.eu/matthias-kirschner-fsfe-objectifies-women-valentines-day/ )Jan 04 01:04
schestowitz>> article.Jan 04 01:04
schestowitz> I understand you didn't tell Twitter to use that photo but nonethelessJan 04 01:04
schestowitz> it is not the right photo for that text, if there is any way you canJan 04 01:04
schestowitz> change the photo it would be helpful.Jan 04 01:04
schestowitz> Jan 04 01:04
schestowitz>> Either way, I think you should write about someone in Germany, FSFE IJan 04 01:04
schestowitz>> assume, working to censor mere tweets behind the scenes. Twitter couldJan 04 01:04
-TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-Operation timed out after 10000 milliseconds with 0 out of 0 bytes received ( status 0 @ https://fsfellowship.eu/matthias-kirschner-fsfe-coercing-interns-to-be-photographed/ )Jan 04 01:04
schestowitz>> take action without even telling me.Jan 04 01:04
schestowitz> I already assumed that they have silent censorship, for example, theyJan 04 01:04
schestowitz> tend to let feel-good causes go viral but if you post something deep andJan 04 01:04
schestowitz> meaningful they don't want other users to feel stressed so they bury it.Jan 04 01:04
schestowitz> Jan 04 01:04
schestowitz> I actually warned the world about Twitter and Facebook in my comments atJan 04 01:04
schestowitz> the UN forum, did you see the video?Jan 04 01:04
schestowitz> Jan 04 01:04
schestowitz> https://archive.fosdem.org/2021/schedule/event/free_comms/Jan 04 01:04
schestowitz> Jan 04 01:04
-TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-archive.fosdem.org | FOSDEM 2021 - Towards free, private and secure communicationsJan 04 01:04
schestowitz>> I've asked Twitter to allow me to challenge this.Jan 04 01:04
schestowitz> Having an account with Twitter, Facebook or Google only gives themJan 04 01:04
schestowitz> credibilityJan 04 01:04
schestowitz> Jan 04 01:04
schestowitz> When you put effort into building a following on Twitter it is likeJan 04 01:04
schestowitz> fixing a house that you are renting.  As a tenant, you don't get to keepJan 04 01:04
schestowitz> the benefits of the work you do there.Jan 04 01:04
schestowitzThat is a great analogy.Jan 04 01:04
schestowitzYears ago I stopped putting any efforts into such sites.Jan 04 01:04
schestowitzWhatever exists, if it requires no additional efforts, might stay.Jan 04 01:04
schestowitz>>> but the tweet words are about FSFE, that is these photos and links:Jan 04 01:04
schestowitz>>>Jan 04 01:04
schestowitz>>> https://fsfellowship.eu/matthias-kirschner-fsfe-objectifies-women-valentines-day/Jan 04 01:04
schestowitz>>> (Bonnie Mehring)Jan 04 01:04
schestowitz>>>Jan 04 01:04
schestowitz>>> https://fsfellowship.eu/matthias-kirschner-fsfe-coercing-interns-to-be-photographed/Jan 04 01:05
-TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-fsfellowship.eu | Matthias Kirschner & FSFE: Objectifying women for Valentines DayJan 04 01:05
schestowitz>>> (Olga Gkotsopoulou)Jan 04 01:05
schestowitz>> This is not a mistake. I didn't select the photo, Twitter picks up theJan 04 01:05
-TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-fsfellowship.eu | Matthias Kirschner & FSFE: Coercing interns to be photographedJan 04 01:05
schestowitz>> photos. The sentence quoted is the first sentence in the correspondingJan 04 01:05
schestowitz>> article.Jan 04 01:05
schestowitz> I understand you didn't tell Twitter to use that photo but nonethelessJan 04 01:05
schestowitz> it is not the right photo for that text, if there is any way you canJan 04 01:05
schestowitz> change the photo it would be helpful.Jan 04 01:05
schestowitz> Jan 04 01:05
schestowitz>> Either way, I think you should write about someone in Germany, FSFE IJan 04 01:05
schestowitz>> assume, working to censor mere tweets behind the scenes. Twitter couldJan 04 01:05
schestowitz>> take action without even telling me.Jan 04 01:05
schestowitz> I already assumed that they have silent censorship, for example, theyJan 04 01:05
schestowitz> tend to let feel-good causes go viral but if you post something deep andJan 04 01:05
schestowitz> meaningful they don't want other users to feel stressed so they bury it.Jan 04 01:05
schestowitz> Jan 04 01:05
schestowitz> I actually warned the world about Twitter and Facebook in my comments atJan 04 01:05
schestowitz> the UN forum, did you see the video?Jan 04 01:05
schestowitz> Jan 04 01:05
schestowitz> https://archive.fosdem.org/2021/schedule/event/free_comms/Jan 04 01:05
schestowitz> Jan 04 01:05
-TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-archive.fosdem.org | FOSDEM 2021 - Towards free, private and secure communicationsJan 04 01:05
schestowitz>> I've asked Twitter to allow me to challenge this.Jan 04 01:05
schestowitz> Having an account with Twitter, Facebook or Google only gives themJan 04 01:05
schestowitz> credibilityJan 04 01:05
schestowitz> Jan 04 01:05
schestowitz> When you put effort into building a following on Twitter it is likeJan 04 01:05
schestowitz> fixing a house that you are renting.  As a tenant, you don't get to keepJan 04 01:05
schestowitz> the benefits of the work you do there.Jan 04 01:05
schestowitzThat is a great analogy.Jan 04 01:05
schestowitzYears ago I stopped putting any efforts into such sites.Jan 04 01:05
schestowitzWhatever exists, if it requires no additional efforts, might stay.Jan 04 01:05
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schestowitz    <li>Jan 04 04:16
schestowitz        <h5><a href="https://fossforce.com/2022/01/new-community-manager-at-opensource-com-to-focus-on-accessibility/">New Community Manager at OpenSource.com to Focus on Accessibility</a></h5>Jan 04 04:16
schestowitz        <blockquote>Jan 04 04:16
-TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-fossforce.com | New Community Manager at OpenSource.com to Focus on Accessibility - FOSS ForceJan 04 04:16
schestowitz          <p>A major open source internet destination has a new senior community manager.</p>Jan 04 04:16
schestowitz          <p>In an article published on Red Hat’s community website on New Year’s Day, AmyJune Hineline introduced herself as Opensource.com’s new senior community manager.</p></blockquote></li>Jan 04 04:16
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TechrightsBNHello World! I'm TechrightsBN running phIRCe v0.75Jan 04 08:43
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schestowitz-TRI think that the general direction isn't trying to fix or stay with IBM but to shJan 04 09:10
schestowitz-TRift away from that thing, one bit at a timeJan 04 09:10
Techrights-secwhose general direction?     Jan 04 09:11
Techrights-secmore legible: Jan 04 09:17
Techrights-secrpms mess things up, grub2 is IMO unreliable, yet these are important updatesJan 04 09:17
Techrights-sec$ yum check-updates | sed -e '0,/^$/d' | wc -l Jan 04 09:17
schestowitz-TRiirc, you got the whole thing running on a laptop with devuanJan 04 09:18
Techrights-secyes a few years ago (2018 iirc) those are all gone but I do the daily backup stilJan 04 09:18
Techrights-seclJan 04 09:18
schestowitz-TRvery good, thank you. I was about to back up IRCJan 04 09:18
Techrights-secIt'd probably take a day or two but I could get it running on a laptop againJan 04 09:21
Techrights-sechowever the way is slow, clumsy, and wrong due to lack of familiarity with LXCJan 04 09:21
Techrights-secthere are also some very important security changes needed such as Jan 04 09:21
Techrights-secnot running HTTPd as a login accountJan 04 09:21
Techrights-secIf that much work / refactoring is to be done, it would be about the same or Jan 04 09:22
Techrights-secless work to move to a static site generator at the same timeJan 04 09:22
schestowitz-TRackJan 04 09:42
schestowitz-TRI have two question I wished to ask youJan 04 09:42
schestowitz-TR1) OSI sent a nice message to me. Can we reconcile?Jan 04 09:42
schestowitz-TR2) should I be posting again in Twitter AT ALL?Jan 04 09:42
Techrights-secIf that much work / refactoring is to be done, it would be about the same or Jan 04 09:43
Techrights-secless work to move to a static site generator at the same timeJan 04 09:43
Techrights-sec1) reconilliation would require substantial reform on their partJan 04 09:43
Techrights-secgiven the direction they have chosen to head recently, thatwill be challengingJan 04 09:43
Techrights-secat best.Jan 04 09:43
Techrights-sec2) no, but it would be important to fight that mark which certainly accompaniedJan 04 09:43
Techrights-secthe ban, ... BUT ... opponents do exploit silence in twitter so that abuse Jan 04 09:43
Techrights-sechas to be addressed in some way, but prefereably not in twitter itselfJan 04 09:43
Techrights-secone reason, of many, to avoid twitter is that M$ and the others with armies ofJan 04 09:44
Techrights-secastroturfers can effectively pull a DoS by tangling you up in admnistriviaJan 04 09:44
Techrights-secor bans, eventually the algorithm will kick in and there will be real difficultyJan 04 09:44
Techrights-secespecially if the reasons for the bans are not contested, it's a pain and they Jan 04 09:44
Techrights-secmean it to be a pain, that way twitter and those backed by the interests backingJan 04 09:44
Techrights-sectwitter (i.e. the current OSI board companies) can speak unopposedJan 04 09:44
Techrights-secrenting is a very good analogy, but in the case of a lot of computingJan 04 09:44
Techrights-seca more accurate analogy would be sharecroppingJan 04 09:44
schestowitz-TRthanks for these answers. I could barely see the text at first because of the sunJan 04 09:46
schestowitz-TRabout to start new epo seriesJan 04 09:46
Techrights-secackJan 04 09:48
Techrights-secI wonder what could be done to get national news in EU countries to Jan 04 09:51
Techrights-secpick up on the EPO?  A major barrier to coverage is the inability to compressJan 04 09:51
Techrights-secit to soundbites and the general deference IT (bullshit) has been given andJan 04 09:51
Techrights-sechow much it is controlled by bill's fifth columnists.Jan 04 09:51
schestowitz-TRin 2021 you wrote a short page about the situation, and it was read thousands of timesJan 04 09:52
schestowitz-TRI think such pages can help, esp. if composed for outsiders (to the system)Jan 04 09:52
Techrights-secLink?Jan 04 09:54
schestowitzhttp://techrights.org/wiki/EPO_in_2021Jan 04 09:54
-TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-techrights.org | EPO in 2021 - TechrightsJan 04 09:54
schestowitz-TRsee drafts, just added oneJan 04 09:56
schestowitz-TRtypos very very likelyJan 04 09:56
Techrights-secyes, such pages can help Jan 04 09:59
Techrights-secone difficulty is that all regions and countries are engaged in races to theJan 04 09:59
Techrights-secbottom and people are subjected to the psychological equivalent of a bufferJan 04 09:59
Techrights-secoverflow due to too many outrages and unaddressed scandals to manage.Jan 04 09:59
Techrights-secsocial control media makes the problem worse by having each week aJan 04 09:59
Techrights-sectempest in a teapot for people to becoe appoplectic about for a few hoursJan 04 09:59
Techrights-secor days before moving on to the next contrived outrage, while the real Jan 04 09:59
Techrights-secscandalous news lies ignored completely by designJan 04 09:59
schestowitz-TRexactly!!Jan 04 09:59
schestowitz-TRsorry, was away for a bit in kitchen chatJan 04 10:10
schestowitz-TRtalked to rianne about what we had discussed, sheJan 04 10:10
schestowitz-TRwill also bring tux machines up to date shortlyJan 04 10:10
schestowitz-TRre EPO, I think we need toi rethink the publicstion modalityJan 04 10:10
Techrights-secThus it is very important to publish news from the staff perspective whileJan 04 10:10
Techrights-secany staff remain.Jan 04 10:10
Techrights-sec^ at the EPO.  Already the patent examiners seem to have been culled many timesJan 04 10:10
Techrights-secand through many means.Jan 04 10:10
schestowitz-TRtossing long videos online is not the wayJan 04 10:14
schestowitz-TRspamnil abuses me a lotJan 04 10:14
schestowitz-TRwith his single-digit (view) crapolaJan 04 10:14
schestowitz-TRthere was a good number of sites that did, in the past, experiment with alternatiJan 04 10:14
schestowitz-TRve publication methodsJan 04 10:14
schestowitz-TRrianne says confronting in twitter is still necessaryJan 04 10:14
schestowitz-TRthe temptation to lose patience for it all is thereJan 04 10:14
Techrights-secyesJan 04 10:15
Techrights-secIt is telling that LF flushes money down the toilet on his antics.Jan 04 10:15
Techrights-secthat is part of their game, as mentioned before.  Those at the top political Jan 04 10:15
Techrights-seclevel all play many games concurrently.  One of them is that the first toJan 04 10:15
Techrights-seclost composure is out.  Unfortunately we are in a period of time when it hasJan 04 10:15
Techrights-secbecome acceptable to engage in lies and other unacceptable behavior in orderJan 04 10:15
Techrights-secto elicit emotional responses and thus manipulate opponents out of contention.Jan 04 10:15
Techrights-secWhy can't FSFE and FFII pick up some of the load?  sw patents are a directJan 04 10:19
Techrights-secthreat to both groups' interests.  Have they become dining clubs instead?Jan 04 10:19
schestowitz-TRackJan 04 10:20
schestowitz-TRnot much is (in practice) left of ffii excpe my mate benJan 04 10:20
schestowitz-TRpieter died, tooJan 04 10:20
Techrights-secyes that was a sore blow but institutions can recover if designed wellJan 04 10:20
Techrights-secHowever, regardless of design, the stronger the person running things theJan 04 10:20
Techrights-secmore of a vacuum they leave when gone.Jan 04 10:20
Techrights-secI saw that as a student and decided that leaders should be judged by howJan 04 10:20
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Techrights-secwell things run during the two or three years after their departure.  Jan 04 10:20
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schestowitz-TRI find this conversation very motivational and constructive, so bear with me...Jan 04 10:20
Techrights-secnpJan 04 10:21
schestowitz-TRprocessing and internalising a number of things at once, lost my marbles a bit after irc network reboot and all the restJan 04 10:22
schestowitz-TRbtw, andy is very eager to do collabs with usJan 04 10:23
Techrights-secexcellent!  That is very good news.  Jan 04 10:23
schestowitz-TRwhereasd the person who taught me ipfs vanished so suddently along with his web site and email address. I do not even know how to contact himJan 04 10:24
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Techrights-sec His series has been great and each postJan 04 10:25
Techrights-sechas hit very important topics, in an approachable manner.  Jan 04 10:25
Techrights-sec:/ that leaves a question about what to do about IPFS support in the longer termJan 04 10:25
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schestowitz-TRI was contacted by Twitter and then by email by some "web3" companyJan 04 10:28
schestowitz-TRwhich says it can help us I am sceptical, but did not commit to anythingJan 04 10:28
Techrights-secI don't know enough about either IPFS or the company to make an assessmentJan 04 10:29
Techrights-secApologies but I will defer IPFS questions to others.  I seem to be missingJan 04 10:29
Techrights-secsome core concept regarding IFPSJan 04 10:29
schestowitz-TRthe ts;dr versionJan 04 10:31
schestowitz-TRit is p2pJan 04 10:31
schestowitz-TRbut hashes or addresses are in circulation among peeers so no single point of faiJan 04 10:31
schestowitz-TRlure like TPBJan 04 10:31
Techrights-secyes, the P2P I see, the details elude me however and those are necessary forJan 04 10:31
Techrights-secdealing with IPFS in practice.  Jan 04 10:31
schestowitz-TRlots and lots od dht packets, about as useful as crypto [sic] cranksJan 04 10:35
Techrights-sec cryptcurrency?Jan 04 10:39
Techrights-seccryptocurrency == waste of electricity / CO2Jan 04 10:39
SomeH4x0ragreedJan 04 10:40
SomeH4x0rmy opinion is that Bitcoin is a failed experiment on electronic cash, which was turned into evil thing by big entitiesJan 04 10:41
SomeH4x0rand it exists because unaware individuals who think it is still "decentralized"Jan 04 10:41
SomeH4x0rthough really idk why do people pay for NFTJan 04 10:42
schestowitz-TRthat just lets us satirise the whole mentalityJan 04 10:42
Techrights-secbitcoin was a very successful experiment, but it *ended* completely in 2009Jan 04 10:44
Techrights-secwhat's left well that's not the experiment but simply a crowd sifting throughJan 04 10:44
Techrights-seclab trash out on the curb.Jan 04 10:44
Techrights-secbitcoin and other cryptocurrency: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/PogsJan 04 10:52
-TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-en.wikipedia.org | Milk caps (game) - WikipediaJan 04 10:52
schestowitz-TRlol, I used to collect thoseJan 04 10:52
Techrights-sechttps://firstwefeast.com/drink/2016/01/surprising-history-of-pogs-juice-companyJan 04 10:59
Techrights-secBack to EPO, I would suspect that the end game they have planned is           Jan 04 10:59
Techrights-secfinancialization. That would enable them to fire the staff and keep a handful Jan 04 10:59
Techrights-secof beancounters around, with whom they share ideals and goals.  One or twoJan 04 10:59
Techrights-secpatent examiners would be kept around so they could claim to be in business   Jan 04 10:59
-TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-firstwefeast.com | The Surprising History of Pogs, the '90s-Era Craze Sparked By a Juice Company | First We FeastJan 04 10:59
Techrights-secbut the examiner(s) would be on a really short leash, more so than now.Jan 04 10:59
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Techrights-secAFAIK, both Apple and M$ have changed to financialization and gotten mostlyJan 04 11:02
Techrights-secout of their original business of hardware and marketing respectively.  However,Jan 04 11:02
Techrights-secM$ and to a lesser extent Apple retain their activities in lobbying, since it isJan 04 11:02
Techrights-seca necessity at that level, apple with its trillions and m$ with its debt.Jan 04 11:02
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schestowitz> Hi,Jan 04 23:39
schestowitz> Jan 04 23:39
schestowitz> Hope you had a great holiday break. Very best wishes for 2022!Jan 04 23:39
schestowitz> Jan 04 23:39
schestowitz> For me, 2021 ended and 2022 began with a 10 part series published on Jan 04 23:39
schestowitz> techrights.org, a popular site for software freedom issues. Jan 04 23:39
schestowitz> It continues the theme of living a "healthy digital life" - as much asJan 04 23:40
schestowitz> we can.  Jan 04 23:40
schestowitz> Jan 04 23:40
schestowitz> Starting ere you can probably find links to all the parts.Jan 04 23:40
schestowitz> Jan 04 23:40
schestowitz> https://techrights.org/2022/01/03/article-on-digital-rights-in-2021-part-10/Jan 04 23:40
schestowitz> Jan 04 23:40
-TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-techrights.org | My Year as a Digital Vegan — Part X — Happy New Year: Thoughts for 2022 and Beyond | TechrightsJan 04 23:40
schestowitz> I hope _you_ are keeping very well, still happy and thrivingJan 04 23:40
schestowitz> and not letting technology drive you too crazy.  Jan 04 23:40
schestowitzRe: Article: 2021 Review. My year as a Digital VeganJan 04 23:40
schestowitzRMS:Jan 04 23:56
schestowitz>> Packaging a program in distros is crucial for the community because itJan 04 23:56
schestowitz>> leads to various teams that independently work on the program, andJan 04 23:56
schestowitz>> thus have a chance to make sure it is honest.  This is why freeJan 04 23:56
schestowitz>> software tends not to be malware.Jan 04 23:56
schestowitz> This does not happen in practice but it could happen.Jan 04 23:56
schestowitz> Jan 04 23:56
schestowitz> In Debian I've observed that people put more scrutiny on each other thanJan 04 23:56
schestowitz> on the code.Jan 04 23:56
schestowitz> Jan 04 23:56
schestowitz> The words used in their most recent mob outbreak can be seen as aJan 04 23:56
schestowitz> confession that decisions are made by secret tribunals and secretJan 04 23:56
schestowitz> (fictional) evidence.Jan 04 23:56
schestowitz> Jan 04 23:56
schestowitz> The mentality behind that needs careful analysis: they are saying "trustJan 04 23:56
schestowitz> us because we are a distribution".  Yet the moment we let our guard downJan 04 23:57
schestowitz> and give anybody absolute trust, they will change the rules.  It isJan 04 23:57
schestowitz> human nature and it happens in every domain.Jan 04 23:57
schestowitz> Jan 04 23:57
schestowitz> Several character attack emails, including the anti-Appelbaum mob (2016)Jan 04 23:57
schestowitz> and anti-RMS mob at Easter 2021, were linked to a Pentagon employee,Jan 04 23:57
schestowitz> Paul Tagliamonte.  He was pictured with the chairman of the jointJan 04 23:57
schestowitz> chiefs.  We are asked to trust all the words of these mobs because "itJan 04 23:57
schestowitz> is Debian".  In Afghanistan, when they made a drone strike on a guyJan 04 23:57
schestowitz> transporting water bottles, the Pentagon also asked us to trust them,Jan 04 23:57
schestowitz> their anonymous experts had confirmed he was a suicide bomber.Jan 04 23:57
schestowitz> Jan 04 23:57
schestowitz> These people and their goals appear to be intent upon preventingJan 04 23:57
schestowitz> distributions from fully achieving their potential as independent andJan 04 23:57
schestowitz> trustworthy reviewers of code.  Above all else, they are creating a cultJan 04 23:57
schestowitz> around their name.  The code, even if it is better than malware, isJan 04 23:57
schestowitz> still second to their aggressive (anti-)social agendas.Jan 04 23:57
schestowitz> Jan 04 23:57
schestowitz>> You may be right that it doesn't particularly help on other dimensions,Jan 04 23:57
schestowitz>> but this one is a must.Jan 04 23:57
schestowitz>>Jan 04 23:57
schestowitz>> Also, we in our community use distros of GNU/Linux, so if we sponsor or promoteJan 04 23:57
schestowitz>> a program (game or not) we will want it to be packaged for our distros.Jan 04 23:57

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