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| schestowitz-TR2 | gearrice is a spam site | Sep 05 10:08 |
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| schestowitz-TR2 | ignore it | Sep 05 10:08 |
| Techrights-sec | ok adding it to the list | Sep 05 11:12 |
| Techrights-sec | There is now a prototype image fetcher. It takes a URL as an argument. | Sep 05 11:13 |
| Techrights-sec | I'm not sure, yet, how to tie it into the current work flow. It needs | Sep 05 11:13 |
| Techrights-sec | hard testing first, anyway. | Sep 05 11:13 |
| Techrights-sec | It outputs the markup for the thumbnail and / or image | Sep 05 11:13 |
| schestowitz-TR2 | thanks! | Sep 05 11:18 |
| schestowitz-TR2 | I've tried running it | Sep 05 11:18 |
| schestowitz-TR2 | from its location | Sep 05 11:18 |
| schestowitz-TR2 | from my owqn homedit | Sep 05 11:18 |
| schestowitz-TR2 | with url | Sep 05 11:18 |
| schestowitz-TR2 | without url | Sep 05 11:18 |
| schestowitz-TR2 | with perl before | Sep 05 11:18 |
| schestowitz-TR2 | and without (implicity, in the file) | Sep 05 11:18 |
| schestowitz-TR2 | I get error messages so far | Sep 05 11:18 |
| Techrights-sec | checking | Sep 05 11:18 |
| Techrights-sec | oops. it needs the matching file in /var/www/tux/machines.org/db | Sep 05 11:18 |
| Techrights-sec | just a sec | Sep 05 11:18 |
| schestowitz-TR2 | yes, I got some errors to that effect,l depending on what I tried | Sep 05 11:19 |
| Techrights-sec | ok should work now | Sep 05 11:26 |
| schestowitz-TR2 | it seems to work! | Sep 05 11:33 |
| schestowitz-TR2 | is the thumbnail for index pages? | Sep 05 11:33 |
| schestowitz-TR2 | oh, wait... I see now, the image references its own full scale version | Sep 05 11:33 |
| schestowitz-TR2 | that is good | Sep 05 11:33 |
| schestowitz-TR2 | I've cretaed zsh aliases for all users too | Sep 05 11:33 |
| schestowitz-TR2 | for add and update | Sep 05 11:33 |
| schestowitz-TR2 | rianne will be busy with the second exam till thurs, so I will post more | Sep 05 11:33 |
| Techrights-sec | excellent | Sep 05 11:33 |
| Techrights-sec | The thumbnail is for the post itself. The idea is that the page should | Sep 05 11:33 |
| Techrights-sec | not serve up a giant, wasteful image that's justgoing to be rendered down | Sep 05 11:33 |
| Techrights-sec | in the browser anyway -- unless the visitor actively wishes to see the full | Sep 05 11:33 |
| Techrights-sec | image. | Sep 05 11:33 |
| Techrights-sec | Right now it only works with http / https URLs | Sep 05 11:33 |
| Techrights-sec | nice | Sep 05 11:33 |
| Techrights-sec | this is still in the early phase and needs a lot of work before rolling out | Sep 05 11:33 |
| Techrights-sec | also the work flow must be tweaked first so that it will fit in | Sep 05 11:33 |
| Techrights-sec | Ok. I hope she does well on the next exam too | Sep 05 11:34 |
| schestowitz-TR2 | the second exam is easier and she wants to get a perfect score or almost perfect | Sep 05 11:36 |
| schestowitz-TR2 | which is possible | Sep 05 11:36 |
| schestowitz-TR2 | I am going to knock on it for a bit, in real-time [sic] scenarioa | Sep 05 11:38 |
| schestowitz-TR2 | idea: the shell wrapped can invoke it prior to metadata | Sep 05 11:38 |
| schestowitz-TR2 | "Does this page have an image?" | Sep 05 11:38 |
| schestowitz-TR2 | Supply url... | Sep 05 11:38 |
| schestowitz-TR2 | maybe it can even preload that into nano, I'm not sure | Sep 05 11:38 |
| Techrights-sec | yes, I think that might be the approach. The workflow around nano will need | Sep 05 11:49 |
| Techrights-sec | minor adjustment first though. | Sep 05 11:49 |
| schestowitz-TR2 | excellent, I'm so happy about this and rianne looks forward to having images restored to her workflow | Sep 05 11:52 |
| schestowitz-TR2 | if the workflow is fast, then even cluster pages I'll add images to | Sep 05 11:52 |
| schestowitz-TR2 | btw, we just did a long run around the area, non-stop, sent parcel (sale), and fed many geese | Sep 05 11:52 |
| schestowitz-TR2 | it's an unusually sunny day, so we took advantage | Sep 05 11:52 |
| schestowitz-TR2 | the next 3 days she'll study to perfect the mock exams | Sep 05 11:52 |
| schestowitz-TR2 | for the pevious one we practiced togehter, it was for spoken english, not "life in the uk" | Sep 05 11:52 |
| Techrights-sec | Great. | Sep 05 11:55 |
| schestowitz-TR2 | success! just added our first page, today's howtos, with the perl-processed routine for the image | Sep 05 12:07 |
| schestowitz-TR2 | the image is clickable | Sep 05 12:07 |
| schestowitz-TR2 | I'll think hard of workflow | Sep 05 12:07 |
| schestowitz-TR2 | and ask rianne for input as well | Sep 05 12:07 |
| schestowitz-TR2 | I know her previous workflow and wrote her some bash and dialog tools for it | Sep 05 12:07 |
| schestowitz-TR2 | going through the LF IRS stuff, I recognise the wordpress workflow is all wrong | Sep 05 12:07 |
| schestowitz-TR2 | same for social control media | Sep 05 12:07 |
| schestowitz-TR2 | for quicker output and better effect the tools need to be custom-made | Sep 05 12:07 |
| schestowitz-TR2 | for dozens of posts per day, less f**ing around with GUIs and more pipes instead | Sep 05 12:07 |
| schestowitz-TR2 | I spent a lot of time fighting with wordpress over things that are rigid, like choosing image | Sep 05 12:07 |
| schestowitz-TR2 | dimensionsn categories etc. | Sep 05 12:07 |
| schestowitz-TR2 | drupal 7-9 are even worse in that regard (I know them from work) | Sep 05 12:07 |
| Techrights-sec | thanks | Sep 05 12:18 |
| schestowitz-TR2 | I've changes the image crontab to retrieve from /i | Sep 05 12:23 |
| schestowitz-TR2 | I am guessing that in due court we might make some subdirs there | Sep 05 12:23 |
| schestowitz-TR2 | as you can expect about 10k new images per year | Sep 05 12:23 |
| schestowitz-TR2 | x2 (thumbnails) | Sep 05 12:23 |
| schestowitz-TR2 | these images will have historic value as 5-10 years down the line few of these sites are still online | Sep 05 12:23 |
| schestowitz-TR2 | all that remains is the gist and maybe an image | Sep 05 12:23 |
| Techrights-sec | excellent | Sep 05 12:23 |
| Techrights-sec | probably | Sep 05 12:23 |
| Techrights-sec | maybe that should be done sooner than later perhaps by year or year+month | Sep 05 12:23 |
| Techrights-sec | is granular enough? | Sep 05 12:23 |
| Techrights-sec | ack | Sep 05 12:23 |
| schestowitz-TR2 | if you add dir death, be sure not to move any existing files, as that would break links | Sep 05 12:25 |
| schestowitz-TR2 | likewise, "Features" can stay as it is | Sep 05 12:25 |
| schestowitz-TR2 | maybe one day we'll use that mostly for Feature articles where we put PDFs and such | Sep 05 12:25 |
| schestowitz-TR2 | where "i" (image) is not the right processing class or dir name | Sep 05 12:25 |
| schestowitz-TR2 | I do plan to use the spare time to write some original material | Sep 05 12:25 |
| schestowitz-TR2 | this pas weekend I slept a lot more than usual | Sep 05 12:25 |
| Techrights-sec | checking | Sep 05 12:28 |
| Techrights-sec | testing != production | Sep 05 12:28 |
| Techrights-sec | don't add anymore that you expect to keep until later | Sep 05 12:28 |
| Techrights-sec | more changes are needed first to the script, then to the work flow, then | Sep 05 12:28 |
| Techrights-sec | to the script again | Sep 05 12:28 |
| Techrights-sec | Original material is highly valuable even if difficult and time consuming | Sep 05 12:28 |
| schestowitz-TR2 | a) yes, I will dop originals | Sep 05 12:31 |
| schestowitz-TR2 | the drupal 6 UI was never great for blogging | Sep 05 12:31 |
| schestowitz-TR2 | took a long time to teach, not just to use | Sep 05 12:31 |
| schestowitz-TR2 | b) I on ly added two images with the new tool | Sep 05 12:31 |
| Techrights-sec | okthanks | Sep 05 12:31 |
| Techrights-sec | ack | Sep 05 12:31 |
| schestowitz-TR2 | I'll now go back to the old way | Sep 05 12:31 |
| schestowitz-TR2 | consider them 2 tests, and they worked | Sep 05 12:31 |
| schestowitz-TR2 | c) the latest two pages (Ubuntu and howtos) | Sep 05 12:31 |
| schestowitz-TR2 | demonstrate how it came out | Sep 05 12:31 |
| schestowitz-TR2 | I'll soon do today's second batch of Daily Links | Sep 05 12:31 |
| schestowitz-TR2 | I finished 4 stright days at 'work' (I no longer do much, I try to 'protest' but they don't get it) | Sep 05 12:31 |
| schestowitz-TR2 | I will probably add some "daily gemini" post to tuxmachines at some stage | Sep 05 12:31 |
| schestowitz-TR2 | for only the technical gemini posts of the day | Sep 05 12:31 |
| schestowitz-TR2 | I reckon there's over a dozen per 1-2 days | Sep 05 12:31 |
| schestowitz-TR2 | but need disclaimer added for those who don't know how to open the links | Sep 05 12:31 |
| Techrights-sec | disclaimer or a short guide to acquiring a gemini client | Sep 05 12:34 |
| schestowitz-TR2 | it would be similar to the one liner we use in techrights Daily Links | Sep 05 12:34 |
| schestowitz-TR2 | maybe even the exact same text | Sep 05 12:34 |
| schestowitz-TR2 | and some image banner that -- long with the title -- makes it clear it's mostly for the gemini:// userbase/side | Sep 05 12:34 |
| schestowitz-TR2 | maybe some stories can 'seduce' readers into downloading a client | Sep 05 12:34 |
| schestowitz-TR2 | the front page of www.tuxmachines.org puts gemini prominently at the top right | Sep 05 12:34 |
| Techrights-sec | and a brief overview of the idea and goals behind the project | Sep 05 12:34 |
| Techrights-sec | Yes the idea would be to pique interest in it | Sep 05 12:34 |
| schestowitz-TR2 | ...come to think of it, no need to wait, I can experiment already adding gemini links to TM | Sep 05 12:47 |
| schestowitz-TR2 | then see how the links get handled by the gem side of the site/platform | Sep 05 12:47 |
| Techrights-sec | Only just a few, for the start. If there are too many without a populare move | Sep 05 12:47 |
| Techrights-sec | to adopt it, their presence will just irritate people. | Sep 05 12:47 |
| Techrights-sec | But a few now and then would be good for a test of the reception by people and | Sep 05 12:48 |
| Techrights-sec | to see how the site generator deals with them. | Sep 05 12:48 |
| schestowitz-TR2 | I will cherry-pick from this past weekend... eta 5 mins | Sep 05 12:49 |
| schestowitz-TR2 | ok, see the latest page, in gemini:// is gives headings correctly but they lack a URI | Sep 05 13:02 |
| schestowitz-TR2 | it probably scans only for httpX and not gemini/gopher | Sep 05 13:02 |
| schestowitz-TR2 | ok, had to edit a few times for html to look better | Sep 05 13:02 |
| Techrights-sec | checking | Sep 05 13:11 |
| Techrights-sec | which URL points to a page demonstrating the problem? | Sep 05 13:11 |
| Techrights-sec | It processes gemini:// links, or at least is supposed to but will append | Sep 05 13:11 |
| Techrights-sec | the curled arrow to 'external' links which use http https | Sep 05 13:11 |
| Techrights-sec | Seems ok: | Sep 05 13:11 |
| Techrights-sec | gemini://gemini.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/09/05/Gemini_Articles_of_Interest.gmi | Sep 05 13:11 |
| schestowitz-TR2 | aha | Sep 05 13:22 |
| schestowitz-TR2 | unless you changed the code | Sep 05 13:22 |
| schestowitz-TR2 | the issue was with my hypertext/markup | Sep 05 13:22 |
| schestowitz-TR2 | and fixing that in turn fixed the gemini page too | Sep 05 13:22 |
| schestowitz-TR2 | so we're good to go | Sep 05 13:22 |
| schestowitz-TR2 | I put aside template text for this | Sep 05 13:22 |
| schestowitz-TR2 | will keep the headline consistent so people can easily filter it out | Sep 05 13:22 |
| schestowitz-TR2 | if they loathe gemini/gopher | Sep 05 13:22 |
| Techrights-sec | the code is still the same since the 3rd | Sep 05 13:49 |
| schestowitz-TR2 | would it be worth reusing some of these thumbnail-sized images in techrights daily links? I think it would complicate things for gemini @ TR | Sep 05 13:51 |
| schestowitz-TR2 | and add some bloat | Sep 05 13:51 |
| schestowitz-TR2 | upon further thinking it would overcomplicate the workflow too much if inline images were added to Daily Links | Sep 05 13:51 |
| schestowitz-TR2 | severel programs already parse through it | Sep 05 13:51 |
| schestowitz-TR2 | I was thinking earlier, maybe we can add the [Source] -> [Headline] pair based on Camelcase in TuxMachines | Sep 05 13:51 |
| schestowitz-TR2 | the processing might be similar and it adds a better understanding of what source links come from | Sep 05 13:51 |
| schestowitz-TR2 | so they don't have to click if they hate the publisher | Sep 05 13:51 |
| Techrights-sec | ack | Sep 05 13:54 |
| Techrights-sec | Since there is no javascript, the domain should still be visible when hovering | Sep 05 13:54 |
| Techrights-sec | over links. | Sep 05 13:54 |
| schestowitz-TR2 | yes, but without browser extensions that would be tedious and maybe gemini clients do not have this functionality | Sep 05 13:55 |
| schestowitz-TR2 | it is efort-free once put in place and we already have the domain 'dictionaries' | Sep 05 13:55 |
| schestowitz-TR2 | btw, there is still an android "app" for tuxmachines | Sep 05 13:56 |
| schestowitz-TR2 | but it is not advertised much as it's not privacy-safe | Sep 05 13:56 |
| schestowitz-TR2 | it's mostly a preloaded rss reader with some branding added | Sep 05 13:56 |
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| schestowitz-TR2 | rant; michael west published 8 posts this morning | Sep 05 14:02 |
| schestowitz-TR2 | only one is original, the rest is AAP | Sep 05 14:02 |
| schestowitz-TR2 | they're 'diluting' the feed | Sep 05 14:02 |
| schestowitz-TR2 | if I wanted (A)AP, I'd fucking subscribe to fucking AP (which I would NOT) | Sep 05 14:02 |
| schestowitz-TR2 | gonna write a short original in tm to explain we have some gemini clusters and what gemini is | Sep 05 14:25 |
| Techrights-sec | ack | Sep 05 14:25 |
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| Techrights-sec | <techrights-news> FSFE: we used to fight for Software Freedom (before slandering the founder of the movement), now we take bribes from Microsoft, hire lawyers to threaten our critics, and promote veganism/green agenda https://fsfe.org/news/2022/news-20220905-01.en.html | Sep 05 14:59 |
| -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-fsfe.org | Broad alliance demands: Digitization must serve social and ecological change - FSFE | Sep 05 14:59 | |
| schestowitz-TR2 | <techrights-news> FSFE: we used to fight for Software Freedom (before slandering the founder of the movement), now we take bribes from Microsoft, hire lawyers to threaten our critics, and promote veganism/green agenda https://fsfe.org/news/2022/news-20220905-01.en.html | Sep 05 14:59 |
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| Techrights-sec | "Did Not Connect: Potential Security Issue" | Sep 05 16:29 |
| Techrights-sec | https://news.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/09/05/Tux_Machines_in_Gemini_gemini_tuxmachines_org.shtml | Sep 05 16:29 |
| Techrights-sec | If it's got scripts it should be removed then | Sep 05 16:29 |
| -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-news.tuxmachines.org | Tux Machines — Tux Machines in Gemini (gemini.tuxmachines.org)" | Sep 05 16:30 | |
| schestowitz-TR2 | the cerf of the proxy itself is bust | Sep 05 16:30 |
| schestowitz-TR2 | I noticed that | Sep 05 16:30 |
| schestowitz-TR2 | good news and ODF in draft | Sep 05 16:43 |
| schestowitz-TR2 | the issue is not scripts but susa site having expired certificate | Sep 05 16:43 |
| schestowitz-TR2 | afaik, he does not use JS | Sep 05 16:43 |
| schestowitz-TR2 | the pages are generated by calling a SERVEY site script called proxy or Proxy | Sep 05 16:43 |
| schestowitz-TR2 | wait, isn't that the same proxy software you modeled yours after? | Sep 05 16:43 |
| schestowitz-TR2 | i forget whose code was sent to us as a tarball | Sep 05 16:43 |
| Techrights-sec | checking | Sep 05 16:55 |
| Techrights-sec | no, it is this: | Sep 05 16:55 |
| Techrights-sec | https://gemini.susa.net:1993/cgi-bin/Proxy.sh?url=gemini.tuxmachines.org | Sep 05 16:55 |
| -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-Missing content type. Ignoring. | Sep 05 16:55 | |
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| schestowitz-TR2 | As usual, Wikipedia is basically a bunch of ads regarding corporations and political figures. Wikipedia is decent as reference for science, language, but for political history and corporations never ever bother with Wikipedia. | Sep 05 19:24 |
| schestowitz-TR2 | Wikipedia 2002: new site anyone can edit. Wikipedia 2012: a well-known site many PR agencies edit. Wikipedia 2022: ads. | Sep 05 19:24 |
| schestowitz-TR2 | Wikipedia is a collection of ads anyone can temporarily edit. The advertisers will revert back any changes which interfere with the ads' value. | Sep 05 19:25 |
| Techrights-sec | Yep. Emphasis on temporarily edit. | Sep 05 19:26 |
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