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schestowitz> Some people already refer to free software as freedom-respectingDec 06 00:40
schestowitz> software. It doesn't really cause any problems, there's no real point inDec 06 00:40
schestowitz> discouraging it AFAICT but the real benefits are small. It's got moreDec 06 00:40
schestowitz> than twice as many syllables and doesn't follow the rule of three.Dec 06 00:40
schestowitz> Dec 06 00:40
schestowitz> I don't think it does any harm to call it that though. As to whetherDec 06 00:40
schestowitz> it's harder to co-opt, at this point phrases are owned by definitions,Dec 06 00:40
schestowitz> definitions are owned by orgs, orgs are owned by sponsors. Thus OpenDec 06 00:40
schestowitz> Source <- OSD <- OSI <- Microsoft, and people have talked about changingDec 06 00:40
schestowitz> the OSD! It comes from the DFSG <- Debian <- SPI <- Google, and FreeDec 06 00:40
schestowitz> Software comes from the FSD <- FSF <- GNOME <- OSI/Microsoft again.Dec 06 00:40
schestowitz> (Outreachy seems to be the vehicle which GNOME used to take over the FSFDec 06 00:40
schestowitz> for OSI, but that's wild speculation even by my own standards.)Dec 06 00:40
schestowitz> Dec 06 00:40
schestowitz> What really gets phrases co-opted is if the phrase is designed to co-optDec 06 00:40
schestowitz> in the first place-- or if people stop defending the phrase, becauseDec 06 00:40
schestowitz> there are GNU Projects moving to GitHub when the owner of the trademarkDec 06 00:40
schestowitz> insisted they not do so; and yet he probably doesn't want to ab/use theDec 06 00:40
schestowitz> trademark towards keeping people off GitHub, which I don't blame him forDec 06 00:40
schestowitz> that. Right idea perhaps, but I don't like that method either.Dec 06 00:40
schestowitz> Dec 06 00:40
schestowitz> vZS1Dec 06 00:40
schestowitz> And call it Freedom-respecting softwareDec 06 00:40
schestowitz> Dec 04 21:39Dec 06 00:40
schestowitz> <http://techrights.org/irc-archives/irc-log-techrights-041220.html#tDecDec 06 00:40
-TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-techrights.org | IRC: #techrights @ FreeNode: Friday, December 04, 2020Dec 06 00:40
schestowitz> 04 21:39:21>Dec 06 00:40
schestowitz> vZS1Dec 06 00:40
schestowitz> So it's harder to co-optDec 06 00:40
schestowitz> Dec 04 21:39Dec 06 00:40
schestowitz> <http://techrights.org/irc-archives/irc-log-techrights-041220.html#tDecDec 06 00:40
schestowitz> 04 21:39:33>Dec 06 00:40
schestowitz> vZS1Dec 06 00:40
schestowitz> Just a suggestionDec 06 00:40
schestowitz> Dec 04 21:41Dec 06 00:40
schestowitz> <http://techrights.org/irc-archives/irc-log-techrights-041220.html#tDecDec 06 00:40
schestowitz> 04 21:41:53>Dec 06 00:40
schestowitz> Dec 06 00:40
schestowitz> Dec 06 00:40
schestowitz> Dec 06 00:40
schestowitz> Dec 06 00:41
schestowitz> schestowitzDec 06 00:41
schestowitz> vZS1: he will read thisDec 06 00:41
schestowitz> Dec 04 21:48Dec 06 00:41
schestowitz> <http://techrights.org/irc-archives/irc-log-techrights-041220.html#tDecDec 06 00:41
schestowitz> 04 21:48:30>Dec 06 00:41
schestowitz> schestowitzDec 06 00:41
schestowitz> maybe he will choose to do a follow-up article re the nameDec 06 00:41
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schestowitzRe: artworkDec 06 07:48
schestowitz> Hi Roy :-) Here's a painting I've done. I'd recently noticed youDec 06 07:48
schestowitz> referred to looking for a picture of a lock, plus recalled vZS1 sayingDec 06 07:48
schestowitz> he'd like something uplifting about the last year or two, so hopefullyDec 06 07:48
schestowitz> this painting covers both things. Point of interest maybe, but I used aDec 06 07:48
schestowitz> flowers brush for rust, lol. About 4 hours, using various textureDec 06 07:48
schestowitz> brushes, and a soft blender for the nature scene in the background.Dec 06 07:48
schestowitz> I never like to promise what I may not end up delivering, so must say IDec 06 07:48
schestowitz> can't definitely promise further art, as I have various things I'm busyDec 06 07:48
schestowitz> with, and must take care of health issues also, but, if possible, I'llDec 06 07:48
schestowitz> most certainly send it along. Hope you enjoy the painting.Dec 06 07:48
schestowitz> Happy drawing! Cheers, the Mogz.Dec 06 07:48
schestowitzThis looks really fantastic.Dec 06 07:48
schestowitzYou are even more talented an artist than I realised!Dec 06 07:48
schestowitzI've passed that along to vZS1 over E-mail.Dec 06 07:48
schestowitzIf there any licence information we ought to add, or just attribution to you?Dec 06 07:48
schestowitzWe'll use that soon.Dec 06 07:48
schestowitz> Nice.  Is it CC?Dec 06 08:21
schestowitz I've asked (an hour ago)Dec 06 08:21
schestowitzHe might do more for us.Dec 06 08:21
schestowitzWe asked for cartoons (Torvalds, RMS...)Dec 06 08:21
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schestowitz of a lock, plus rechttps://twitter.com/UlintlEng/status/1335533740085440514Dec 06 10:43
-TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-@UlintlEng: #Manjaro is the #Linux#Distribution my choice on the notebook. Even if I have to consider a slight improvement and… https://t.co/7owW0nh648Dec 06 10:43
-TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-@UlintlEng: #Manjaro is the #Linux#Distribution my choice on the notebook. Even if I have to consider a slight improvement and… https://t.co/7owW0nh648Dec 06 10:43
schestowitz#Manjaro is the #Linux#Distribution my choice on the notebook.Dec 06 10:43
schestowitzEven if I have to consider a slight improvement and slight shadwos in 2020, it is:Dec 06 10:43
schestowitz1) still a very good operating systemDec 06 10:43
schestowitz and ...Dec 06 10:43
schestowitzhttp://tuxmachines.org/node/145063Dec 06 10:43
-TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-tuxmachines.org | Manjaro 20.2 Brings the Latest Kernel, GNOME, KDE, and Xfce | Tux MachinesDec 06 10:43
schestowitz 1/2 -->Dec 06 10:43
schestowitz2) and in my opinion definitely the better #RollingRelease System as #Windows10 .Dec 06 10:43
schestowitzGrinning faceDec 06 10:43
schestowitz2/2Dec 06 10:43
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schestowitzhttps://twitter.com/DawnSpirit2/status/1335388311301419008Dec 06 14:50
-TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-@DawnSpirit2: @Barnes_Law Former Microsoft Employees Don’t Like Talking About Past and Present Microsoft Back Doors (Designed for… https://t.co/UJTq0k0LoGDec 06 14:50
-TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-@DawnSpirit2: @Barnes_Law Former Microsoft Employees Don’t Like Talking About Past and Present Microsoft Back Doors (Designed for… https://t.co/UJTq0k0LoGDec 06 14:50
schestowitz"t and Present Microsoft Back Doors (Designed for Spy Agencies)"Dec 06 14:50
schestowitz"Former Microsoft Employees Don’t Like Talking About Past and Present Microsoft Back Doors (Designed for Spy Agencies)"Dec 06 14:50
schestowitzhttps://twitter.com/DawnSpirit2/status/1335388408194031616Dec 06 14:50
-TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-@DawnSpirit2: @Barnes_Law Former Microsoft Engineer Working on Windows BitLocker Confirms Government Asks Microsoft for Back Doors https://t.co/ov7fRKmUCeDec 06 14:50
-TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell- ( status 500 @ https://techrights.org/2014/07/31/microsoft-back-doors-admission/ )Dec 06 14:50
schestowitz"Former Microsoft Engineer Working on Windows BitLocker Confirms Government Asks Microsoft for Back Doors"Dec 06 14:50
schestowitz"just donated to the Internet Archive this year.  There is a matching grant going on at the moment."Dec 06 16:25
schestowitzYou have to wonder sometimes who matches. Can be Google, Gates... anyone... with stringsDec 06 16:25
schestowitzSee SFC. Community-washing oligarch/corporate money.Dec 06 16:26
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schestowitzhttp://ipkitten.blogspot.com/2020/12/around-ip-blogs.htmlDec 06 17:35
-TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-ipkitten.blogspot.com | Around the IP Blogs - The IPKatDec 06 17:35
schestowitz"The UPC Preparatory Committee has reacted with enthusiasm to the approval in the German Bundestag of the ratification legislation for the Unified Patent Court Agreement. Kluwer Patent Blog reported on this new development."Dec 06 17:35
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schestowitz"Dec 06 21:58
schestowitzWould the UPC piece be able to help Zoobab?Dec 06 21:58
schestowitzafk ...Dec 06 21:58
schestowitz"Dec 06 21:58
schestowitzafaik, can't help unless we present new evidenceDec 06 21:58
schestowitz> Hi Roy :-) and thank you very much! Glad you like it, and thank you forDec 06 23:00
schestowitz> also passing it to vZS1. I'll leave the licensing to you, and if thatDec 06 23:00
schestowitz> includes that you'd like to attribute, using the name Mogz is fine. Cheers,Dec 06 23:00
schestowitz> Hi again Roy :-) Just seen that artwork's in an article; great that it'sDec 06 23:01
schestowitz> useful! May I ask for a little edit, though? I'm female, not male.Dec 06 23:01
schestowitz> Thanks and have a good dayDec 06 23:01
schestowitzSorry about thatDec 06 23:01
schestowitzThanks for the fantastic art. Everyone likes it.Dec 06 23:01
schestowitzhttps://twitter.com/gnarlin2/status/1335637579992064001Dec 06 23:27
-TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-@gnarlin2: @schestowitz Direct link to the blog post: https://t.co/bu9nSGwPk5Dec 06 23:27
-TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell--> daniel-lange.com | No dog food today - the Linux Foundation annual report | Daniel Lange's blogDec 06 23:27
schestowitzhttps://twitter.com/Quantum_Quench/status/1335659696481595392Dec 06 23:31
-TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-@Quantum_Quench: @schestowitz 💤💤💤💤 Why?Dec 06 23:31
schestowitzhttps://twitter.com/AlwaystrumpOrg/status/1335632585662324740Dec 06 23:32
-TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-@AlwaystrumpOrg: Shut up you disgusting #libnut @richardbranson. We’ve heard it all before! So what! @POTUS @realDonaldTrump was foc… https://t.co/eOLIHDXgoNDec 06 23:32
-TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-@AlwaystrumpOrg: Shut up you disgusting #libnut @richardbranson. We’ve heard it all before! So what! @POTUS @realDonaldTrump was foc… https://t.co/eOLIHDXgoNDec 06 23:32
schestowitz"Dec 06 23:32
schestowitzShut up you disgusting #libnut @richardbransonDec 06 23:33
schestowitz. We’ve heard it all before! So what! @POTUSDec 06 23:33
schestowitz @realDonaldTrumpDec 06 23:33
schestowitz was focused on that and not your pretty hair, fashionable clothes and ingenious mind. I’ll take my #StableGenius any day of the week. Too bad! You could’ve been @ElonMuskDec 06 23:33
schestowitz!Dec 06 23:33
schestowitz"Dec 06 23:33
schestowitzhttps://twitter.com/MelBrooksJM/status/1335608742587600910Dec 06 23:33
-TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-@MelBrooksJM: @schestowitz Yeah but who gets Twitter $$$'s??Dec 06 23:33
schestowitzhttps://twitter.com/nerissimo/status/1335568714230607872Dec 06 23:34
-TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-@nerissimo: @schestowitz @glynmoody it tragically reminds me one of the shocking #NineLives masterfully told by @DalrympleWillDec 06 23:34
schestowitzhttps://twitter.com/DMCANews/status/1335428789292036097Dec 06 23:35
-TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-@DMCANews: As a co-author co-developer years in the gnu Linux space, I can attest to that this Google season of docs effort is… https://t.co/Ffd62d4R7eDec 06 23:35
-TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-@DMCANews: As a co-author co-developer years in the gnu Linux space, I can attest to that this Google season of docs effort is… https://t.co/Ffd62d4R7eDec 06 23:35
schestowitz"As a co-author co-developer years in the gnu Linux space, I can attest to that this Google season of docs effort is absolutely unnecessary. #techwriters... work with free sw or 'open source' projects - you don't need Google... just go volunteer....https://developers.google.com/season-of-docs"Dec 06 23:35
-TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-developers.google.com | Season of Docs  |  Google DevelopersDec 06 23:35
schestowitzhttps://twitter.com/dbut53/status/1335366859835781121Dec 06 23:35
-TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-@dbut53: Save #LisaMontgomery #MentallyIll #AbuseVictim AG William Barr @Bill19293640 @TheJusticeDept @RealDonaldTrump No mo… https://t.co/a6bVu9jCigDec 06 23:35
-TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-@dbut53: Save #LisaMontgomery #MentallyIll #AbuseVictim AG William Barr @Bill19293640 @TheJusticeDept @RealDonaldTrump No mo… https://t.co/a6bVu9jCigDec 06 23:35
schestowitz"Dec 06 23:35
schestowitzSave #LisaMontgomery #MentallyIll #AbuseVictimDec 06 23:35
schestowitzAG William Barr @Bill19293640Dec 06 23:35
schestowitz @TheJusticeDeptDec 06 23:35
schestowitz @RealDonaldTrumpDec 06 23:35
schestowitzNo more #LameDuck #FederalExecutionsDec 06 23:35
schestowitz#DeathPenalty makes killers of allDec 06 23:35
schestowitzHeed @DPFocusDec 06 23:35
schestowitz @barb1840Dec 06 23:35
schestowitz @HelenPrejeanDec 06 23:36
schestowitz @TheCollectiveD1Dec 06 23:36
schestowitz @DPInfoCtrDec 06 23:36
schestowitz @DeathPenaltyActDec 06 23:36
schestowitz @kelleyjhenryDec 06 23:36
schestowitz"Dec 06 23:36
schestowitzhttps://twitter.com/DaughertyMJ/status/1335352798599409667Dec 06 23:36
-TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-@DaughertyMJ: This is typical and disgusting https://t.co/M2gBQmTSGCDec 06 23:36
-TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-@schestowitz: Microsoft marketing disguised as news at #cbs #marketing spam sites #cnet and #zdnet urging people to violate the E… https://t.co/lDlaVwnFUlDec 06 23:36
schestowitzhttps://twitter.com/PamelaDrew/status/1335337617194356736Dec 06 23:36
-TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-@PamelaDrew: @schestowitz Food lines are a mirage. https://t.co/7TXc4iK00nDec 06 23:36
-TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-@PamelaDrew: @schestowitz Food lines are a mirage. https://t.co/7TXc4iK00nDec 06 23:36
schestowitzhttps://twitter.com/dvdeijk/status/1335333280586100737Dec 06 23:36
-TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-@dvdeijk: @schestowitz 1. Somalia isn't North Africa 2. North Africa isn't the US' to give away. 3. Yes the us broken democra… https://t.co/kDjKW6kNAuDec 06 23:36
-TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-@dvdeijk: @schestowitz 1. Somalia isn't North Africa 2. North Africa isn't the US' to give away. 3. Yes the us broken democra… https://t.co/kDjKW6kNAuDec 06 23:36
schestowitz"Dec 06 23:36
schestowitz1. Somalia isn't North AfricaDec 06 23:36
schestowitz2. North Africa isn't the US' to give away.Dec 06 23:36
schestowitz3. Yes the us broken democracy in Egypt to install a dictator but the other countries are relatively free.Dec 06 23:36
schestowitz"Dec 06 23:36
schestowitzhttps://twitter.com/joesteals/status/1335307609574817792Dec 06 23:36
-TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-@joesteals: @schestowitz Of course, they engineered it. The UN is beyond satanic.Dec 06 23:36
schestowitzhttps://twitter.com/stautistic/status/1335287475011420162Dec 06 23:37
-TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-@stautistic: Sounds about right. Religion is stupid. https://t.co/qTjNkj9ISwDec 06 23:37
-TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-@schestowitz: "collected just over $169 million from more than 977,000 patients with bills at least 30 days past due, but only 1%… https://t.co/Kp72qHU6H9Dec 06 23:37

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