IRC: #boycottnovell @ Techrights IRC Network: Wednesday, November 09, 2022

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where is the link pointing to the 80% drop in MSFT share prices?

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The headline makes that assertyion but it is not backed up in the body

-TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-techrights.org | Microsoft’s Accounting Fraud and the Clown Computing Bubble Will Make It the Next Facebook (Share Price Collapsed by 80%) | Techrights

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FDB share price

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*FB

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Ok the headline is wrong then, since it says MSFT is down 80% and the article

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focuses on m$ all the way through.

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Running out of both RAM and swap should only kill userland processes first

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if I understand correctly.

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I read my headlines 5 time and did not think it would be confusing

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will correct...

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re "vonick" crashes, let me observe a bit more

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I run it in a more "minimalist" mode atm and check the behaviour

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I think a priority atm is figuring out the root cause

Nov 09 03:34

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Thanks

Nov 09 03:34

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How small is the swap file?

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In comparison how much RAM is there?

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Is there a core dump with the crash?

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8gn and 8gb

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ack

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lately quiterss started eating up vastly more ram and I am not sure why

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not a linear increase

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i thought I got this under control in the attention sense

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but this is one theory I have anyway

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though it's probably not that

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QuiteRSS locks up very frequently, not sure what triggers it but I have to

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quit and save very often to keep using it.

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Anyway, is swap filling up prior to the crashes?

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free -m

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or sar

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or vmstat

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in a loop redirecting to a file

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thanks!

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thanks for your patience

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anyway, I may soon have to shuffle around machines and alter workflows

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that's always a difficult task except when you look back whereupon it seems "obvious"

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optimisations are simple only in hindsight

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Academics strike as wage theft spreads, uni executive salaries soar - Michael West ⚓ https://michaelwest.com.au/academics-strike-as-wage-theft-spreads-uni-executive-salaries-soar/ ䷉ Source: Michael West Media | ♾ Gemini address: gemini://gemi.dev/cgi-bin/waffle.cgi/view?https%3A//michaelwest.com.au/academics-strike-as-wage-theft-spreads-uni-executive-salaries-soar/

Nov 09 08:08

-TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-michaelwest.com.au | Academics strike as wage theft spreads, uni executive salaries soar - Michael West

Nov 09 08:08

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tech is moving faster with the economic conditions arm

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*atm

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as companies that were never viable simply perish

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I wonder what replaces some of them

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maybe nothing

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Hopefully those that wash out are not replaced by other scams but then

Nov 09 08:36

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you have loads of "angel investors" with money burning holes in their pockets

Nov 09 08:36

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around to force bad ideas afloat long enough to bail via an IPO

Nov 09 08:36

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run and geese in a min

Nov 09 08:44

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bbl

Nov 09 08:44

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PC stable so far, will assume the worst at all times

Nov 09 08:44

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ack

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testing to see if I can be in several network at the same time in mumble

Nov 09 10:11

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seems not

Nov 09 10:12

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Nov 09 10:12

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I think you'd need separate instances of the client for that

Nov 09 10:12

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based on logs, I think I can see a correlation between nvme errors and times that the PC gives up

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although not every instance results in it

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so far today everything got "Corrected"

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but I can at least start to point the finger at that

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ok, now always on top in all desktops I have tail -f grep for drive warnings

Nov 09 10:24

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so maybe I can be forwarned

Nov 09 10:24

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I also want to be able to correlate activity with errors of this kind

Nov 09 10:25

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like, what triggers this more

Nov 09 10:25

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ack

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thanks for Links

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hypotheis: LF not writing much, and there is a reason

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how to prove/method: show lack of output

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reason: cannot prove reason without insiders leaking out info

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ok, seems no blog posts in nearly 20 days

Nov 09 11:52

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but... I think they also broke their RSS feeds

Nov 09 11:52

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investigating a bit...

Nov 09 11:52

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omg, they breoke rss

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moved away from wordpress, I think

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I want to find "Generators"

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maybe they moved to proprietary

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ack

Nov 09 12:08

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draft

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(still in progress, no preview yet)

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maybe you can double-check the claims

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if true, it is a BIG deal

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ack

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They're still self-hosted: https://sitereport.netcraft.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Flinux.com

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but here they are using "hubspot":

https://sitereport.netcraft.com/?url=https://www.linuxfoundation.org

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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/HubSpot

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"freemium"

-TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-sitereport.netcraft.com | Site report for https://linux.com | Netcraft

-TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-sitereport.netcraft.com | Site report for https://www.linuxfoundation.org | Netcraft

-TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-en.wikipedia.org | HubSpot - Wikipedia

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they are only sort of self-hosted

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i forgot the details

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but they use CF of fastly

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or some cdn that is proprietary

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so they hide behind something else

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last I checked

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no iis yet ;-)

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"freemium"

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linux.com is encumbered by cloudflare

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fixed some typos

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way back in the days we had real press that reported such "small" changes

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now, at least, someone might "TWEET" about it

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(productive so far today; also no icidents; got a few potential topics, aiming to have 4 in total before

Nov 09 14:07

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recording)

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fb 11k layoffs

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(just in)

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psydruid

excellent news

Nov 09 17:08

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the job won't be done until every employee is gone

Nov 09 17:08

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zuck will shut down the lights

Nov 09 17:20

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Yes there are multiple articles about FB layoffs. How much did they padd

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the staffing last year though? If the size is the same as two years ago

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then there was really no net loss if the extra people recently added were

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fired. So it may be just for show.

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Hire'em to be able to fire'em and give the illusion of 'downsizing' which

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would pump the stock prices.

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we reckon it's first wave of several

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maybe 11k x 3

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almost 24 hours now, without crash

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it is encouraging as I was worried the gaps between crashes decreased only

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I can see a few storage-related things in syslog in real time

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I cannot correlate them to any particular activity

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rianne speaks to cousin on mumble now

Nov 09 17:41

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it's very good for multi-person chats

Nov 09 17:41

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like with gemini, the hard part is helping people install and use a client

Nov 09 17:41

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ack

Nov 09 17:46

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The Mumble client also has noise cancellation for VistaX and GNU/Linux versions.

Nov 09 17:46

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That is important to have turned on in systems without headsets.

Nov 09 17:46

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right, yes, we are still adjusting that

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some trial and error

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and setting thresholds

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I really should re-invoke the wizard

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rianne uses the headset that has long been broken just for its microphone

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because her build-in mic never semed to work well at alkl

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maybe defective

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te headphones she uses at the moment is some old set I had 20+ years ago, IIRC

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only one side works, but that is how she uses them anyway

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we try to use things unless they have no value left

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even old clothes become rugs

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Nov 09 17:50

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Ok. As long as headphones are used.

Nov 09 17:50

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no, laptop speakers are used

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so the microphone needs to be distanced physically

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I think with phones there is a lot of capability to deal with microphone and speaker phone

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as there was lots of demand for it

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maybe even the on-chip DSP does it at hardware level

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I am looking for a few more topics

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have not seen any url yet on fblayoffs

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someone posted the original from liarberg

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but that's not much to "go by"

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Can you smell the smoke where there is fire?

Nov 09 18:39

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if there a very obvious and odourous lie passing across the media atm?

Nov 09 18:39

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like, obv. fake storytelling?

Nov 09 18:39

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the influx of people from Twitter will be somewhat similar to

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the September That Never Ended in terms of problems brought in to the

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Fediverse. The lessons learned from The September That Never Ended

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could well be applied both correctively and proactively

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^ topic ?

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DT published a video about this hours ago

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but I meant FB as that is the latest

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FB is also a much more menacing machine

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social control media going away is historically important (if that happens fully)

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His take was lacking in quite a few ways. Though I guess you and him are both

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the same generation and missed the hey days of Usenet, pre-spam, pre-AOL

Nov 09 18:43

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the qeuivalent that he used was gnu/linux

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and what happens when 'n00bs' come over and try to change it

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to suit their interests and they are the large numbers

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like canonical with snaps and omg!ubuntu

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Nov 09 18:47

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It would not be reasonable or appropriate for all people from Twitter to

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settle into the Fediverse, or at least not into the first instance they

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happen to log into. However, the Fediverse could do well and has it in its own

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interest to try to steer people to the relevant instances where they would have

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the greatest chance at integration. That has to be accompanied by orientation.

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The mistake that Usenet made was not taking into account that the community

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was outnumbered by the noobs and thus the traditional approach of letting

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time grind off the rough edges would no longer work. Same for the Fediverse

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and excessive application ofthe ban hammer helps no one, not even the instance

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doing the banning. Most people could probablly be sorted into an appropriate

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instance where they could thrive and benefit the comminity through their

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interaction. A very tiny few could even be motivated to set up their own

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servers, just like Leenode's implosion lead to an increase in independent

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IRC networks. However, running a Fediverse server of any kind neither scales

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nor is a reasonable amount of work even when just looking at the technical side

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and not taking into account the sheparding needed. See:

https://www.techdirt.com/2022/11/02/hey-elon-let-me-help-you-speed-run-the-content-moderation-learning-curve/

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-TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-Hey Elon: Let Me Help You Speed Run The Content Moderation Learning Curve | Techdirt

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for the non-technical side(s)

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from his video that I saw, DT gave up on distro.toot now so much due to the admin

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requirements

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but moderation and babysitting

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which then expands to CROSS-instance bickering

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"I'll block you instance if you don't ban X for Y"

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you'd have to be a noob not to first consider what it means to set up

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some "hello world" and then wiring it with others'

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RSS is not the same

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because the polling is relaying directly to individuals

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planets are a thorny issue

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you have to suck up to a bunch of "can't code but I have brown shits"

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Yes there is a f-ton of bullying going on between instances.

Nov 09 18:56

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Yep

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and there are many wearing brown shirts of various cuts.

Nov 09 18:56

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for me, personally (I alwats say "i" in this article), the real solution is,

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abandon those platforms

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don't plead for people to use the "lesser s*"

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liberate them from all the s*

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but that's just me

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based on my own experience

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"nobody will give a shit what you TWEETED at 2pm 12 years ago and the 12,000 "likes" it got"

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-hypothetical stuff i could say

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if your book sells 100,000 copies, or 100k download it from the Web/p2p,

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that's a lot more "access" than a tweeet with 10 words and 1 emoji

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that will be offline years later

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Yes, abandoning all forms of social control media is probably the optimal

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solution but the above points still stand especially as it might take some

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time and several iterations for many of the public to come to the conclusion

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It's not about communication it is about dopamine

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Nov 09 19:01

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again social control media is about addiction and farming behaviors from useds

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not about actual communication. If communication were a factor, then

Nov 09 19:04

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algorithmic sorting would be unplugged and chronological sorting restored

Nov 09 19:04

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there are competing interests

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1) advertisers (maximise screen time)

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2) useds (give them what they want, inform them)

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twitter hardly ever made a profit

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even after it prioritised (1), as YouTube does morw and more each month

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spamnil hardly makes videos anymore

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but still sends his bots to cheat

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imagine today I saw one video dated 3.5 weeks ago with 9 views

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he forgot to to 'bot the shit out of it'

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AFAIK it only made a profit one or two quarters and has been losing millions

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per month the rest of the time

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it made a profit briefly while milking off trump to become the warzone

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and when shutting out third parties/apis around august 2018 (iirc)(

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to shift from useds (2) to REAL CUSTOMER (1) [above]

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brb

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rianne finished call