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schestowitz-TR "From what I've seen, it's a pretty common belief across Geminispace and Gopherspace that social media is not healthy or good for people. I agree, and I've decided to write a little bit about my experience with social media." gemini://eph.smol.pub/1657427715Jul 10 07:26
Techrights-sechttps://nitter.net/brau_ner/status/1545021335440687104Jul 10 07:47
-TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-nitter.net | Christian Brauner (@brau_ner): "After a long long time just talking about how to make this happen @pid_eins and I are finally on the same team. Very excited about having @blucaz around as well and we have another hire dear to my heart hopefully coming on board later this year."|nitterJul 10 07:48
schestowitz-TRthis confirmed it, but what is the significance?Jul 10 07:51
schestowitz-TRI mean, OK, let me put it like this:Jul 10 07:52
schestowitz-TRin irc I asked, what's the background storyJul 10 07:52
schestowitz-TR, did he leave,Jul 10 07:52
schestowitz-TRwas he pushed?Jul 10 07:52
schestowitz-TRwhat is the plan?Jul 10 07:52
schestowitz-TRvery few detailsJul 10 07:52
schestowitz-TRthose details do matterJul 10 07:52
schestowitz-TRand phoronix was just a bunch of microsoft platitudesJul 10 07:52
schestowitz-TRno substanceJul 10 07:52
schestowitz-TRthe only new thing was his headlineJul 10 07:52
schestowitz-TRI've decided to release the post about career in my PERSONAL blogaJul 10 07:52
schestowitz-TRand then post a lot of chaff to 'hide' it from 'Amish' colleaguesJul 10 07:52
schestowitz-TRwho will probably never see it, just as they don't know what IRC isJul 10 07:52
Techrights-sechttps://nitter.net/brau_ner/status/1545021335440687104Jul 10 07:52
Techrights-secthat's also affecting LXC / LXDJul 10 07:52
Techrights-secyes there are no details about what is going on; they seem to be holdingJul 10 07:52
Techrights-sectheir cards close to their chest as far as that goes, for now;Jul 10 07:52
Techrights-secthe ad hominems against anyone displeased with systemd are increasing thoughJul 10 07:52
schestowitz-TRI just call it Microsoft systemdJul 10 07:53
schestowitz-TRand that alone can help put people offJul 10 07:53
schestowitz-TRI keep getting insulted for not condemning it strongly ENOUGHJul 10 07:53
schestowitz-TR(you know by who)Jul 10 07:53
Techrights-secackJul 10 07:54
Techrights-secone of the reasons it got any traction at all was they were very effective Jul 10 07:54
Techrights-secat brigading any who failed to toe the line; that applied not just to verbalJul 10 07:54
Techrights-secattacks online but in ostracizing people within project and sometimes evenJul 10 07:54
Techrights-secgetting them kicked out or forced to quitJul 10 07:54
schestowitz-TRreferring to themselves as "team"Jul 10 07:55
schestowitz-TRnot cultJul 10 07:55
schestowitz-TRin twitter I also got called names for questioning systemdJul 10 07:55
schestowitz-TRor bemoaning bugsJul 10 07:55
schestowitz-TRor saying it was breaking things for me personallyJul 10 07:55
schestowitz-TRwoirds like "neckbeards"Jul 10 07:55
Techrights-sec(btw GNOME is getting a big handout from M$)Jul 10 07:58
Techrights-secm$ definitely is a cultJul 10 07:58
Techrights-secyes, that in twitter was part of the ongoing brigading; anything other thanJul 10 07:58
Techrights-secpraise for systemd resulted in piling onto the writer with lots and lotsJul 10 07:58
Techrights-secof personal attacks, so as to completely dodge the technical aspects and Jul 10 07:58
Techrights-secto derail any technical discussion immediatelyJul 10 07:58
Techrights-secall systemd has going for it, and all it ever had going for it, was the Jul 10 07:58
Techrights-seccoordinated ad hominem attacks and the appeal to novely fallacyJul 10 07:58
Techrights-secUpstart was an init system.  systemd was not and is not an init systemJul 10 07:58
Techrights-secbut as we see now, it is only about a power grabJul 10 07:58
schestowitz-TRdecom-dJul 10 07:59
schestowitz-TRmaybe that's what the d stands forJul 10 07:59
schestowitz-TRanyway, with the LP move the debates will changeJul 10 07:59
schestowitz-TRand ad hom will be far less effectiveJul 10 07:59
Techrights-secthe debates must change now, but so far only a few distros are in any sortJul 10 08:00
Techrights-secof a good position and even they are a bit weak due to the amount of Jul 10 08:00
Techrights-seceffort which must be wasted to clean packages from gratuitous systemd dependenciesJul 10 08:00
Techrights-secx https://github.com/microsoft/foss-fundJul 10 08:00
-TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-GitHub - microsoft/foss-fund: The Microsoft FOSS Fund provides a direct way for Microsoft engineers to participate in the nomination and selection process to help communities and projects they are passionate about. The FOSS Fund provides $10,000 sponsorships to open source projects as selected by Microsoft employees.Jul 10 08:00
schestowitz-TR"Then they fight you" < - we are hereJul 10 08:01
schestowitz-TRwe need just a few distros to remove systemdJul 10 08:01
schestowitz-TRand then others can branch off themJul 10 08:01
schestowitz-TRmaybe now these efforts will be boostedJul 10 08:01
schestowitz-TRor maybe BSDs will gain a bitJul 10 08:01
schestowitz-TRbut BSDs too are under attack from MicrosoftJul 10 08:01
schestowitz-TRthe same attacks as those against LinuxJul 10 08:01
schestowitz-TRstarting with bribes into key orgsJul 10 08:01
Techrights-sectrue but it is more complex than that, systemd is not just one thingJul 10 08:05
Techrights-secand distros are comprised of packages and the fight is now at the packageJul 10 08:05
Techrights-secmaintainer level;Jul 10 08:05
Techrights-secDebian is a key organization and has been broken and, AFIAK, quite infiltratedJul 10 08:05
Techrights-secUpon it hang hundreds of derivative distros, both directly and indirectlyJul 10 08:05
schestowitz-TRsame as tor, which now puts microsoft in the tor browse, after taking microsoft money (DDG)Jul 10 08:05
schestowitz-TRdebian took MS money via SPI for several yearsJul 10 08:05
Techrights-secIf the Tor Project is taking dodgy money they ought to approach Brave insteadJul 10 08:05
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Techrights-sechttps://www.fudzilla.com/news/55103-lennart-poettering-quits-red-hatJul 10 08:23
-TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-www.fudzilla.com | Lennart Poettering quits Red HatJul 10 08:23
schestowitzI put that in http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/166960#comment-34284 yesterdayJul 10 08:23
-TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-www.tuxmachines.org | Microsoft Still Attacking From the Inside | Tux MachinesJul 10 08:23
Techrights-secackJul 10 08:25
schestowitz-TREntering Phase Two of Life https://schestowitz.com/Weblog/archives/2022/07/10/phase-two-of-life/Jul 10 08:25
-TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-schestowitz.com » Blog Archive » Entering Phase Two of LifeJul 10 08:25
schestowitz-TRnow I will add some chaffJul 10 08:25
schestowitz-TRfor the Amish not to notice, just to be sure...Jul 10 08:25
Techrights-seccheckingJul 10 08:30
Techrights-secotr: biden promoting terrorism and intolerance: https://thehill.com/homenews/administration/3551155-bidens-wish-muslims-celebrating-eid-al-adha-a-joyous-holiday/Jul 10 08:30
-TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-thehill.com | Bidens wish Muslims celebrating Eid al-Adha ‘a joyous holiday’ | The HillJul 10 08:30
schestowitz-TRI thought it would be a link about him bailing out Microsoft again :-)Jul 10 08:31
schestowitz-TRanyway, remember what the lectures of lessig say about "lean to the green"Jul 10 08:31
schestowitz-TRit's not about morality but about money/oil... and oil, did I mention oil?Jul 10 08:31
schestowitz-TROil is Freedom(TM)Jul 10 08:31
schestowitz-TR----Jul 10 08:33
schestowitz-TRre the above, I'm not allowed to speak >TO COLLEAGUES< about it, except spouseJul 10 08:34
schestowitz-TRbut my blog is not colleaguesJul 10 08:34
schestowitz-TRI don't think separating people and gagging them is moralJul 10 08:34
schestowitz-TRit's like an anti-union tactic, akin to NDAJul 10 08:34
schestowitz-TRobv. part of HR's trickJul 10 08:34
schestowitz-TRthey advice how to avoid paying severence feesJul 10 08:34
schestowitz-TRhence I sniffed around a bitJul 10 08:34
schestowitz-TRso far nobody has fallen for the honey trapsJul 10 08:34
schestowitz-TRI once dated a girl who was put on garden leaveJul 10 08:34
schestowitz-TRI cannot recall the reasonsJul 10 08:34
Techrights-secinteresting constraint, is it an enforceable constrait / legal or is it a lieJul 10 08:35
Techrights-secthey tell ?Jul 10 08:35
Techrights-secHR is an opponent; they are there to protect the company against the employeesJul 10 08:35
Techrights-secit's like an anti-union: coordinated defense and even attacks against the Jul 10 08:35
Techrights-secworkersJul 10 08:35
schestowitz-TRit is worth them the money if you consider how much severence is at stakeJul 10 08:36
schestowitz-TRI play my cards carefully here, with wordsJul 10 08:36
schestowitz-TRI will add chaff soonJul 10 08:36
Techrights-secackJul 10 08:40
schestowitz-TRthanks for the advice on thisJul 10 08:50
schestowitz-TRI think I'm done frnaklyJul 10 08:50
schestowitz-TRrms resigned aged 30 at mitJul 10 08:50
schestowitz-TRfor me it'll be 40Jul 10 08:50
Techrights-secnp      Jul 10 08:50
schestowitz-TRtime to do my own projects, maybe overdue, tooJul 10 08:50
schestowitz-TR(job lost the element of pride last year, 2 years after the bullying)Jul 10 08:50
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schestowitz-TR<techrights-news> NHS Breaking Its Promise in Order to Help COVID-19 Spread While We’re Blindfolded https://schestowitz.com/Weblog/archives/2022/07/10/nhs-numbers-4pm-next-week-but-never-mind/Jul 10 09:02
-TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-schestowitz.com » Blog Archive » NHS Breaking Its Promise in Order to Help COVID-19 Spread While We’re BlindfoldedJul 10 09:02
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schestowitz-TRtwo more posts and the sensitive one is below front page thresholdJul 10 10:05
schestowitz-TRafter that daily links, cleaning all rss feeds, rianne hair dyeJul 10 10:05
schestowitz-TRI already feel a lot more liberatedJul 10 10:05
schestowitz-TReven if I still work full timeJul 10 10:06
schestowitz-TRmaybe till sept.Jul 10 10:06
schestowitz-TRwith the departing gift i think we can reach 55 ok, then use pensionsJul 10 10:06
schestowitz-TRno kidsJul 10 10:06
Techrights-secackJul 10 10:06
Techrights-secthe one post is just a chartJul 10 10:06
schestowitz-TRthe goal of thes eposts is chaff/flakJul 10 10:06
schestowitz-TRkids cost increased 10% or so this past yearJul 10 10:09
schestowitz-TRiirc, food and energy are consumed more by teens thasn grown-upsJul 10 10:09
schestowitz-TResp. boys, for foodJul 10 10:09
schestowitz-TRmy mom used to joke(ish) about how much feeding me had costJul 10 10:09
schestowitz-TRgrowing kids consume more than adultsJul 10 10:09
Techrights-secackJul 10 10:10
schestowitz-TRbabies are most expensive to feedJul 10 10:11
schestowitz-TRit's a cartelJul 10 10:11
schestowitz-TRthe otheer dat at m and s i saw all the baby clothes and shoesJul 10 10:11
schestowitz-TR10 times less materialJul 10 10:11
schestowitz-TRsame priceJul 10 10:12
schestowitz-TRpricefixingJul 10 10:12
schestowitz-TR"if you love yo babbbbbbbyyyyy"Jul 10 10:12
schestowitz-TRthat's it, it's in page 2 now Jul 10 10:29
schestowitz-TRmoving on to daily links nowJul 10 10:29
schestowitz-TR<techrights-news> England Swings Back to Excess Deaths (Exceedingly High Mortality Rates in Summertime) With COVID-19 Surge https://schestowitz.com/Weblog/archives/2022/07/10/covid-19-summer-exceeding-normal-mortality/Jul 10 10:43
-TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-schestowitz.com » Blog Archive » England Swings Back to Excess Deaths (Exceedingly High Mortality Rates in Summertime) With COVID-19 SurgeJul 10 10:43
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schestowitz-TReugenics, culling, survivasl of the strongJul 10 10:55
schestowitz-TRpoor old people, almolst 200k of them, who do not enjoy pension anymoreJul 10 10:55
schestowitz-TR90%+ of them are pension ageJul 10 10:55
schestowitz-TRthey are a "burden" on "the capitalism"Jul 10 10:55
schestowitz-TR"dude, want a seventh jab?"Jul 10 10:55
schestowitz-TR"no jab, no job"Jul 10 10:55
schestowitz-TRpensioner: i finished doing jobs after 45 yearsJul 10 10:55
schestowitz-TRcapitalism eats its own, the ones who spent the most building the capitalJul 10 10:55
schestowitz-TRI am not accepting thisJul 10 10:55
schestowitz-TRin usa, champion of unbridlod capitalism, they cherish embroyos and fetuses 3 weeks old moreJul 10 10:55
schestowitz-TRthan they value war vetarans etc.Jul 10 10:55
schestowitz-TRso that dispells this notion that the gov. exists to guard human lifeJul 10 10:55
Techrights-secackJul 10 10:55
schestowitz[TR]"Truth: government exists to protect life and liberty. But the lie embraced was government is willing to kill everyone because: “better dead than red.”" ☛ https://www.counterpunch.org/2022/07/08/time-for-a-convention-of-the-people-by-the-people-and-for-the-people/ | Source: Counter PunchJul 10 10:57
-TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-Time for a Convention of the People, by the People and for the People - CounterPunch.orgJul 10 10:57
schestowitz[TR]"Truth: government exists to protect life and liberty. But the lie embraced was government is willing to kill everyone because: “better dead than red.”" ☛ https://www.counterpunch.org/2022/07/08/time-for-a-convention-of-the-people-by-the-people-and-for-the-people/ | Source: Counter PunchJul 10 10:57
schestowitz[TR] "Raped by My Father" ☛ https://www.democracynow.org/2022/7/4/michele_goodwin_abortion_saved_my_life | Source: Democracy NoJul 10 10:57
-TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-www.democracynow.org | “I Was Raped by My Father. Abortion Saved My Life”: Prof. Michele Goodwin on SCOTUS & the New Jane Crow | Democracy Now!Jul 10 10:57
schestowitz-TRthe gov. exists to protect capital and "private property"Jul 10 10:59
schestowitz-TRremember thaty and there will be less disappointment ;-)Jul 10 10:59
schestowitz-TRWTO, EPO, Microsoft bailed out...Jul 10 10:59
Techrights-secackJul 10 10:59
Techrights-secthe interest is lost the moment they get bornJul 10 10:59
Techrights-secand diminishes by the day ever after from that point onwardJul 10 11:00
schestowitz-TRbaby dies: woman arrestedJul 10 11:00
schestowitz-TRpupil dies: thoughts and prayers ;-)Jul 10 11:00
schestowitz <li>Jul 10 11:09
schestowitz                                    <h5><a href="https://www.howtoforge.com/how-to-install-flask-with-nginx-and-gunicorn-on-ubuntu-22-04/">How to Install Flask with Nginx and Gunicorn on Ubuntu 22.04</a></h5>Jul 10 11:09
-TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-www.howtoforge.com | How to Install Flask with Nginx and Gunicorn on Ubuntu 22.04Jul 10 11:09
schestowitz                                    <blockquote>Jul 10 11:09
schestowitz                                        <p>Flask is a microframework written in Python for developing modern web applications and API (Application Programming Interface). It's based on the Werkzeug toolkit and Jinja2 template. Instead of using complex architecture, Flask is a small web framework that easy-to-extent the core and easy to learn because Flask has less code. Flask doesn't include the ORM, but still has cool features like URL routing Jul 10 11:09
schestowitzand template engine.</p>Jul 10 11:09
schestowitz                                    </blockquote>Jul 10 11:09
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schestowitz <li>Jul 10 11:10
schestowitz                                    <h5><a href="https://blog.arduino.cc/2022/07/06/this-small-space-invaders-game-runs-on-an-arduino-nano-with-a-salvaged-crt-display/">This small Space Invaders game runs on an Arduino Nano with a salvaged CRT display</a></h5>Jul 10 11:10
-TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-blog.arduino.cc | This small Space Invaders game runs on an Arduino Nano with a salvaged CRT display | Arduino BlogJul 10 11:10
schestowitz                                    <blockquote>Jul 10 11:10
schestowitz                                        <p>Rob Cai over on Instructables has created his own version of the classic video game Space Invaders using an Arduino Nano. However, unlike most other projects that would typically incorporate some kind of LCD or OLED screen, he chose to use a small black and white cathode ray tube (CRT) display recovered from an old video intercom system.</p>Jul 10 11:10
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schestowitz                                    </blockquote>Jul 10 11:10
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schestowitz<li>Jul 10 11:12
schestowitz                                    <h5><a href="https://www.dedoimedo.com/computers/kubuntu-impish-jammy-upgrade.html">Kubuntu upgrade - from 21.10 to 22.04 - Smooth as silk</a></h5>Jul 10 11:12
-TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-www.dedoimedo.com | Kubuntu upgrade - from 21.10 to 22.04 - Smooth as silkJul 10 11:12
schestowitz                                    <blockquote>Jul 10 11:12
schestowitz                                        <p>Operating system upgrades are not a fun activity. Like the annual tax report, or mandatory HR training, you want them done as quickly and smoothly as possible. Over the years, I've found myself mustering less and less patience for everything software, and look at any major system change with a considerable amount of dread. Not the fear that I won't be able to resolve it, but the knowledge that I simply Jul 10 11:12
schestowitzdon't have the desire to play with unnecessary things.</p>Jul 10 11:12
schestowitz                                        <p>On the Linux side of the pond, surprisingly, system upgrades have been relatively smooth. Still, they weren't always perfect. Well, today we need to see how things have changed since my last attempt, on the elderly Vivobook. My guinea pig will be the newish test system, an IdeaPad with its Ryzen processor and NVMe storage, which I use for Linux distro explorations and disappointments. The box runs a Jul 10 11:12
schestowitztriple-boot setup, including one Kubuntu 21.10. And now, we shall nudge that instance to the latest LTS. Begin to commence.</p>Jul 10 11:12
schestowitz                                    </blockquote>Jul 10 11:12
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schestowitz-TRclosest-to-truth analogy I can think of right now is bridge of cliffJul 10 11:16
schestowitz-TRand lots of fools followwing the crowdJul 10 11:16
schestowitz-TRassuming crowded places mean safetyJul 10 11:16
schestowitz-TRI studied these issues and don't read BillBC (vaccine sales site)Jul 10 11:16
Techrights-secackJul 10 11:17
schestowitz-TRbillbc is not antivaxxJul 10 11:31
schestowitz-TRbut it sells the idea that boosters are magic serumJul 10 11:31
schestowitz-TRtoday i work while standingJul 10 11:31
schestowitz-TRwalking in and out the door to the sun outsideJul 10 11:31
schestowitz-TRsoon ciderJul 10 11:31
schestowitz-TRbuttefly outside just nowJul 10 11:31
schestowitz-TRsame problem hereJul 10 11:31
schestowitz-TRyellowingJul 10 11:31
schestowitz-TR2018 was worseJul 10 11:31
schestowitz-TRmany animals were dyingJul 10 11:32
schestowitz-TRgrass was dying entirely at some edges Jul 10 11:32
schestowitz-TRif it gets warm due to heating, we'll turn up the A/C (cycle)Jul 10 11:32
schestowitz-TRif we lack rainfall, we'll turn on the taps more to feed flora and faunaJul 10 11:32
schestowitz-TRoverpopulation is an inflection point thingJul 10 11:32
schestowitz-TRit is worsened further by its own effectsJul 10 11:32
schestowitz-TRrianne and i practice frugality even while earning 3000 net per monthJul 10 11:32
schestowitz-TRwe opened libre office the other night in bed, put in all the monthly expensesJul 10 11:32
schestowitz-TRadds up to not much at allJul 10 11:32
schestowitz-TReven after hyperinflationJul 10 11:32
schestowitz-TRfood is about 50 per head per monthJul 10 11:32
schestowitz-TRinc. alcohol Jul 10 11:32
Techrights-sec until todayJul 10 11:32
Techrights-secackJul 10 11:32
Techrights-secgood to keep expenses lowJul 10 11:32
schestowitz-TRmotto isJul 10 11:34
schestowitz-TRlive modest, work less hardJul 10 11:34
schestowitz-TRmoney is storage of labbour quotientJul 10 11:34
schestowitz-TRif you need less money, less arrduous labour will be required (or for shorter duration)Jul 10 11:34
schestowitz-TRwe can  live on rianne babysitting elephants 16 hours a wekJul 10 11:34
schestowitz-TRnet time working 2-5 hoursJul 10 11:34
Techrights-secstorage with loss / entropyJul 10 11:34
schestowitz<li>Jul 10 11:36
schestowitz                                            <h5><a href="https://www.schneier.com/blog/archives/2022/07/ubiquitous-surveillance-by-ice.html">Ubiquitous Surveillance by ICE</a></h5>Jul 10 11:36
schestowitz                                            <blockquote>Jul 10 11:36
schestowitz                                                <p>Report by Georgetown’s Center on Privacy and Technology published a comprehensive report on the surprising amount of mass surveillance conducted by Immigration and Customs Enforcement (ICE).</p>Jul 10 11:36
-TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-Ubiquitous Surveillance by ICE - Schneier on SecurityJul 10 11:36
schestowitz                                            </blockquote>Jul 10 11:36
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schestowitz <li>Jul 10 11:37
schestowitz                                            <h5>[Old] <a href="https://americandragnet.org/">American Dragnet: Data-Driven Deportation in the 21st Century</a></h5>Jul 10 11:37
-TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-americandragnet.org | American Dragnet | Data-Driven Deportation in the 21st CenturyJul 10 11:37
schestowitz                                            <blockquote>Jul 10 11:37
schestowitz                                                <p>This report argues that you should. Our two-year investigation, including hundreds of Freedom of Information Act requests and a comprehensive review of ICE’s contracting and procurement records, reveals that ICE now operates as a domestic surveillance agency. Since its founding in 2003, ICE has not only been building its own capacity to use surveillance to carry out deportations but has also Jul 10 11:37
schestowitzplayed a key role in the federal government’s larger push to amass as much information as possible about all of our lives. By reaching into the digital records of state and local governments and buying databases with billions of data points from private companies, ICE has created a surveillance infrastructure that enables it to pull detailed dossiers on nearly anyone, seemingly at any time. In its efforts to arrest and deport, ICE has – Jul 10 11:37
schestowitzwithout any judicial, legislative or public oversight – reached into datasets containing personal information about the vast majority of people living in the U.S., whose records can end up in the hands of immigration enforcement simply because they apply for driver’s licenses; drive on the roads; or sign up with their local utilities to get access to heat, water and electricity.</p>Jul 10 11:37
schestowitz                                                <p>ICE has built its dragnet surveillance system by crossing legal and ethical lines, leveraging the trust that people place in state agencies and essential service providers, and exploiting the vulnerability of people who volunteer their information to reunite with their families. Despite the incredible scope and evident civil rights implications of ICE’s surveillance practices, the agency has Jul 10 11:37
schestowitzmanaged to shroud those practices in near-total secrecy, evading enforcement of even the handful of laws and policies that could be invoked to impose limitations. Federal and state lawmakers, for the most part, have yet to confront this reality.</p>Jul 10 11:37
schestowitz                                            </blockquote>Jul 10 11:37
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schestowitz-TRsocial control media magnifies or amplified social/peer pressureJul 10 11:37
schestowitz-TRwe use invidiousJul 10 11:37
schestowitz-TRnext up maybe gemini, but for this ytou need to download first or play an open fileJul 10 11:37
schestowitz-TRwhich oiver gemini:// can be damaged on transmissionJul 10 11:37
Techrights-secackJul 10 11:37
schestowitz-TRi realised ~5 years ago she barely opens web pagesJul 10 11:39
schestowitz-TRshge watches videos and scrolls down the front page of billbc without clicking on anythingJul 10 11:39
schestowitz-TRit's a long long scrollJul 10 11:39
schestowitz-TRlike social control mediaJul 10 11:39
schestowitz-TRwirth many photos Jul 10 11:39
schestowitz-TRat least curated a bitJul 10 11:39
schestowitz-TRmaybe not in favour of lies but state agendaJul 10 11:39
Techrights-secinfinite scollingJul 10 11:40
schestowitz-TRmotto isJul 10 11:42
schestowitz-TRlive modest, work less hardJul 10 11:42
schestowitz-TRmoney is storage of labbour quotientJul 10 11:42
schestowitz-TRif you need less money, less arrduous labour will be required (or for shorter duration)Jul 10 11:42
schestowitz-TRwe can  live on rianne babysitting elephants 16 hours a wekJul 10 11:42
schestowitz-TRnet time working 2-5 hoursJul 10 11:42
schestowitz-TRnot infinite but longJul 10 11:42
schestowitz-TRdrew devault and some geminauts are latest to blast social control mediaJul 10 11:43
schestowitz-TRas being toxic and unhealthyJul 10 11:43
schestowitz-TRmore in Daily LINKSJul 10 11:43
schestowitz-TRMusk put twitter in a death spiralJul 10 11:43
schestowitz-TRhe plastwered a "caution: do not buy" label on itJul 10 11:43
schestowitz<li>Jul 10 11:51
schestowitz                                    <h5><a href="https://drewdevault.com/2022/07/09/Fediverse-toxicity.html">The Fediverse can be pretty toxic</a></h5>Jul 10 11:51
-TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-drewdevault.com | The Fediverse can be pretty toxicJul 10 11:51
schestowitz                                    <blockquote>Jul 10 11:51
schestowitz                                        <p>Social networks are not good for you. The Fediverse brought out the worst in me, and it can bring out the worst in you, too. The behaviors it encourages are plainly defined as harassment, a behavior which is not unique to any ideological condition. People get hurt on the Fediverse. Keep that in mind. Consider taking a look in the mirror and asking yourself if your relationship with the platform is Jul 10 11:51
schestowitzhealthy for you and for the people around you.</p>Jul 10 11:51
schestowitz                                    </blockquote>Jul 10 11:51
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Techrights-secI didn't get anything done yesterday except a bit of planning.  Today I wasJul 10 14:16
Techrights-secable to do some experiments with SQLite3.  Perhaps tomorrow I'll be ableJul 10 14:16
Techrights-secto squeeze in some merging of the experiments into the existing mockupJul 10 14:16
Techrights-secackJul 10 14:16
schestowitz-TRdb still holding up OK enoughJul 10 14:16
schestowitz-TRI will prod kanini once a day Jul 10 14:16
Techrights-secackJul 10 14:16
schestowitz-TRI want to 'innovate' in the sites (scare quotes) to make things better than 'traditional' ones, but do not know how toJul 10 14:28
schestowitz-TRbut making our own cms makes extending it easierJul 10 14:28
Techrights-secackJul 10 14:28
Techrights-secthe HTML + CSS in the mockup still needs polishing thoughJul 10 14:28
schestowitzhttps://twitter.com/BrideOfLinux/status/1545619236403515392Jul 10 14:54
-TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-@BrideOfLinux: Too much top down isolates the top and they go crazy with self importance: This Month Mozilla Firefox Reached Its L… https://t.co/ip2lJRuRQAJul 10 14:54
-TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-@BrideOfLinux: Too much top down isolates the top and they go crazy with self importance: This Month Mozilla Firefox Reached Its L… https://t.co/ip2lJRuRQAJul 10 14:54
schestowitz"Too much top down isolates the top and they go crazy with self importance: This Month Mozilla Firefox Reached Its Lowest Share (Just 3%), But CEO Baker Made a Fortune (Especially When Mozilla Sank)"Jul 10 14:54
schestowitzhttps://twitter.com/GiamBuonomo/status/1546116613077966851Jul 10 14:55
-TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-@GiamBuonomo: @schestowitz https://t.co/9QdP8uFQpdJul 10 14:55
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schestowitz-TRLast I saw....Jul 10 17:31
Techrights-secok the other messages about maintenance must not have gone throughJul 10 17:47
schestowitz-TRI was afkJul 10 17:47
schestowitz-TRso I only see the new sessionJul 10 17:47
Techrights-secnot much other than thatJul 10 18:20
Techrights-secI had a little bit of time and modified the script to save into an SQLite3Jul 10 18:54
Techrights-secdatabase.  Next time I will throw together something quick to extractJul 10 18:54
Techrights-secrecords based on date and save them as static files.  Jul 10 18:54
schestowitz-TRif I understand it correctly, the DB is then accessed just to create the statis files and the feedsJul 10 18:55
schestowitz-TRthen, once pages age, no more need to touch the DB to retrieve themJul 10 18:55
schestowitz-TRgreat!Jul 10 18:55
Techrights-seccorrect   Jul 10 18:56
Techrights-secit also makes it possible to make a new template some time in the futureJul 10 18:56
Techrights-secand then apply it to the whole site, including the pre-existing posts, not justJul 10 18:56
Techrights-secfuture postsJul 10 18:56
Techrights-secThere are some fine points I am missing or misunderstanding with SQLJul 10 18:56
Techrights-secbut the main thing is that as far as a proof-of-concept prototype goes, it isJul 10 18:56
Techrights-secmoving alongJul 10 18:56
schestowitz-TRI think the lion's share of human (non-bot) traffic is posts from the past 1-2 days)Jul 10 18:57
schestowitz-TRthe same is true in a lot of sitesJul 10 18:57
schestowitz-TRso applying changes to old pages isn't so criticalJul 10 18:57
Techrights-secafter the extractor, or as part of its development, I'll have to figure outJul 10 18:58
Techrights-secthe navigation linksJul 10 18:58
Techrights-secOf course, but there is always the off chance that someone finds an old postJul 10 18:58
Techrights-secand wishes to explore.  That needs to remain possible.Jul 10 18:58
schestowitz-TRfor a foreseeable future the very old ~167,000 nodes can be sevred with the old CMSJul 10 19:00
schestowitz-TRwhich will be locked such that it's just there as legacy, with all those distro review susan did and are linked toJul 10 19:00
schestowitz-TRfrom distowatch etc.Jul 10 19:00
schestowitz-TRscraping is the next stage, as we'll need to scrape anything after 27/6/2022 anywayJul 10 19:00
schestowitz-TRI already know how to do thisJul 10 19:00
Techrights-secyes but it would be best to scrape them into a static site eventually, usingJul 10 19:01
Techrights-secwget or somethingJul 10 19:01
Techrights-secIt's just a matter of finding the right parameters to ensure that the commentsJul 10 19:01
Techrights-secand such are retainedJul 10 19:01
Techrights-secThere are a lot of parts, like the reviews and galleriesJul 10 19:01
schestowitz-TRsome nodes are multi-paged, both for content and for comments (there are thresholds)Jul 10 19:04
schestowitz-TRbut the priority is retaining existing readers by giving a good rss feedJul 10 19:04
schestowitz-TRlater worry about "the other stuff"Jul 10 19:04
schestowitz-TRwe can do something similar with TR wordpress later onJul 10 19:04
schestowitz-TRthere is CMS and bloat fatigue anywayJul 10 19:04
schestowitz-TRpeople should not need to download like 20- tiny images and other objects just to read an article with one imageJul 10 19:04
schestowitz-TRgemini shows it can be done withoiut even that one imageJul 10 19:04
Techrights-secyesJul 10 19:13
Techrights-secthe current mockup has no direct provision for images.  They are probably notJul 10 19:13
Techrights-secneeded but I would like to know what other think Jul 10 19:13
schestowitz-TRimages are just like a fieldJul 10 19:14
schestowitz-TRyou enter some external url, sometimes wikipediaJul 10 19:14
schestowitz-TRit adds a little at a low costJul 10 19:14
Techrights-secok, an additional table with a blob can be addedJul 10 19:16
schestowitz-TRI used to think of other ways of improving or enhancing the siteJul 10 19:19
schestowitz-TRit has been mostly the same since 2014/15Jul 10 19:19
schestowitz-TRputting myself in the shoes of what I think readers areJul 10 19:19
schestowitz-TRsome times around 2016 we decided to utilise comments to post followupsJul 10 19:19
schestowitz-TRavoiding repetition of themes and stories in the front pageJul 10 19:19
schestowitz-TRbut comments are not meant to be used like thisJul 10 19:19
schestowitz-TRwe shut doiwn registration for new accounts due to spam and worseJul 10 19:19
schestowitz-TRone thing I 'implmented' is a loop that checks timestampsJul 10 19:19
schestowitz-TRso that if I add "update" to an existing page it gets bumped up to the topJul 10 19:19
schestowitz-TRthis was never possible with the front page or rss feedJul 10 19:19
schestowitz-TRbut we had a view (still have it) at the top of the front page) to indicate new Jul 10 19:19
schestowitz-TRcomments based on visitor's cookieJul 10 19:19
Techrights-secackJul 10 19:19
schestowitz-TRof note: if we add "UDPATE" to a page maybe better reverse chronologicalJul 10 19:22
schestowitz-TRso that the latest additiion is shown first, giving emphasis to the new stuff with the older stuff trailingJul 10 19:22
schestowitz-TR-----Jul 10 19:22
schestowitz-TRUbuntu 24.04: things to do after installJul 10 19:22
schestowitz-TRUbuntu 24.04 reeleasesJul 10 19:22
schestowitz-TRUbuntu 24.04 to be relerased later todayJul 10 19:22
schestowitz-TR====Jul 10 19:22
schestowitz-TR(all in one "node") to avoid flooding the site over and over again with related storyJul 10 19:22
Techrights-secso a dc.date.modified field is needed, too, thenJul 10 19:23
schestowitz-TRthe way it works now, when the file is edited the file system is containing the time stamoJul 10 19:24
schestowitz-TRand that gets determined when scanning the filesJul 10 19:24
Techrights-secIt's more efficient to scan the sqlite databaseJul 10 19:24
schestowitz-TRyes, but it would be nice to edit the files directly, tooJul 10 19:25
Techrights-secthen there is a great challenge to get them back into the databaseJul 10 19:26
Techrights-secthe files must be 100% valid HTML and conform to several check points regardingJul 10 19:26
Techrights-secstructure, or else that is not feasibleJul 10 19:26
schestowitz-TRmakes sense, so maybe a script to open the file in nano and then commit the changeJul 10 19:27
schestowitz-TRrianne can cope opk with nanoJul 10 19:27
Techrights-secbut it's quite doable within those constraintsJul 10 19:31
Techrights-secexcellentJul 10 19:31
Techrights-secthough the todo list just grew by six points in these last few minutes :/Jul 10 19:31
Techrights-secI'll work on the extaction, then extraction + nav menu, next time I canJul 10 19:31
Techrights-secget a chance.  (Prob. tomorrow)  Then the update.Jul 10 19:31
schestowitz-TRif all the nodes are in a db, then off-the-sheft converters cann produce gemtext from that DB as wellJul 10 19:32
schestowitz-TRgemini.tuxmachines.org:1965 with agate running or similarJul 10 19:32
schestowitz-TRthe format is quite consistent, either list or item, sometimes with "Also:"Jul 10 19:32
Techrights-secYes all the nodes need to be in the db and then the conversions to gemtextJul 10 19:33
Techrights-secwill be easy as would any other template.  The file syste basically becomes Jul 10 19:33
Techrights-seca mirror of the db content.Jul 10 19:33
Techrights-secyes, good idea.Jul 10 19:33
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schestowitz-TR<techrights-news> "I wrote a bunch about social media in the past few years, and I sort of stopped trying to "convince" anyone to stop using it (be it entirely, or even just partially), but I still remark on the dangers of the services out there." gemini://tmo.smol.pub/1657471912Jul 10 20:22
schestowitz-TR "Anyway, I still support (or sometimes just tolerate) that people still use social networks, but more people are probably leaving them (all of them) at this point, and that can only be a good thing. It's always up to the individual, though. No one will do it for them." gemini://tmo.smol.pub/1657471912Jul 10 20:23
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