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schestowitz-TRJust opened the envelopeDec 12 18:45
schestowitz-TRvery, very niceDec 12 18:45
schestowitz-TRI will ready it a secondt time, this time a lot more slowly, some time tomorrowDec 12 18:45
schestowitz-TRI often wonder what it is like to live in a sort of isolated place, as a friend sort of did (we visited this past summer)... but I suppose that just like the war in general-purpose computing there will be attempts to metaphorically herd peopleDec 12 18:46
Techrights-secthe speed with which it arrived was a surpriseDec 12 18:47
schestowitz-TRI have 70 unread items left in IRC for patents. tonight 3 posts piled up already for sweden. let me know of any article ideas... I have more spare time than I anticipated this moreningDec 12 18:48
schestowitz-TRbtw, phoronix did not mention Microsoft lately, and I have reasons to suspect we have the ntended effectDec 12 18:49
Techrights-secThat's good , Phoronix had been a good site and would only lose its reader baseDec 12 18:51
Techrights-secby sucking up to Redmond.  In exchange for selling out he would not gainDec 12 18:51
Techrights-secthe traffic from any microsofters.Dec 12 18:51
Techrights-secSo it was a losing proposition even if it looked like money at first.Dec 12 18:51
schestowitz-TRthere is a saying along the lines of, not sure of original or language of originDec 12 18:52
schestowitz-TRit takexs x to gain credibility and [less than x[ to lose itDec 12 18:52
Techrights-secyepDec 12 18:52
schestowitz-TRmichael is so bruised in the eyes of many in techrights ircDec 12 18:53
schestowitz-TRrianne is less forgiving them me (years ago she was already furious at SJVN) and she says no poit sneding traffic again to larabel as he is not predictable and cannot be trustedDec 12 18:53
schestowitz-TRsorry for typosDec 12 18:54
schestowitz-TRyou know what I meantDec 12 18:54
schestowitz-TRanyway, I should type in IRC first, then copy acrossDec 12 18:54
schestowitz-TRtuxmachines was, according to alexa, sending biggest traffic source for larabelDec 12 18:55
Techrights-secI'd say its' worth watching the situation and seeing if he recovers his Dec 12 18:55
Techrights-secform and if so only then link to him again.Dec 12 18:55
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schestowitz-TRserious questionDec 12 19:10
schestowitz-TRI no longer driverDec 12 19:10
schestowitz-TRI don't have smart phoneDec 12 19:10
schestowitz-TRonly landlineDec 12 19:10
schestowitz-TRhow can I write about those risks without coming across as some foolish hypocrite?Dec 12 19:10
Techrights-secNot hypocritical.  You successfully avoid the problems you warn about.  Dec 12 19:21
Techrights-secHowever, the "smart"phones and the surveillance engines in everyting elseDec 12 19:21
Techrights-secare harder to avoid. I know someone in the US who bought and installed Dec 12 19:21
Techrights-secAmazon's Ring (tm) "doorbell" and didn't give a shit about any of the Dec 12 19:21
Techrights-sectechnical shortcomings let alone the privacy disaster it embodies.  Dec 12 19:21
Techrights-secSo the issue is not hypocracy but distance from the average slob in regardsDec 12 19:21
Techrights-secto views and experiences.  Some whine about wages yet at the same timeDec 12 19:21
Techrights-secexploit slave labor like Wolt or Doordash or whatever.  Another showed the mapDec 12 19:21
Techrights-secof his house, via his smartphone, drawn by the vacuum cleaner which feedsDec 12 19:21
Techrights-secall data back to HQ for processing.  The map and control over the deviceDec 12 19:21
Techrights-secare crumbs in exchange for the data, yet because the map was "on" the phoneDec 12 19:21
Techrights-secand the phone never leaves his person it is seen as secure.  Dec 12 19:21
Techrights-secOthers are all in WhatsApp and Instagram yet claim they never use Facebook, being uninterested in that.  FurtherDec 12 19:21
Techrights-secmore, they like the others, they respond thatDec 12 19:21
Techrights-secthey never send anything to the net even though it all goes through InstagramDec 12 19:21
Techrights-secor WhatsApp.  For them, it is "on" their phones...Dec 12 19:21
Techrights-secSo the common theme is that none of them have even an inkling about how the  Dec 12 19:21
Techrights-secsystems and devices work and where and how the data is collected and passedDec 12 19:21
Techrights-secaround.Dec 12 19:21
schestowitz-TRsome of these things I did not know. So I guess being repetitive and explaining these points is the latest one can do, seeing that govs won't put an end to it because they benefit from the collection and even subsidise thisDec 12 19:21
Techrights-secFor the rest it is as Max Schrems calls forced consent.  There are no choices Dec 12 19:22
Techrights-secif one gets a phone, a tv, a car, or any number of products these days,Dec 12 19:22
schestowitz-TRin most situations there is still a choice, but the window of escape is closing fast and there is penalty for non-adoptersDec 12 19:23
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schestowitz-TRwhat other outreach method?Dec 12 19:27
schestowitz-TRwiki?Dec 12 19:27
schestowitz-TRarticles?Dec 12 19:27
schestowitz-TRin my very narrow poov, the idea goes like thisDec 12 19:28
schestowitz-TRstart with an iedaDec 12 19:28
schestowitz-TRget clueful people to read itDec 12 19:28
schestowitz-TRthen, offline, they will pass on the messageDec 12 19:28
schestowitz-TRor online but not directlyDec 12 19:28
Techrights-secThere is also the challenge of re-decentralization which goes against theDec 12 19:28
Techrights-secpush by GAFAM to eliminate the last of the small and medium sized players.Dec 12 19:28
Techrights-secThe question about certificates is not a technical matter but of one about Dec 12 19:28
Techrights-secwhich institutions are allowed to vouch for a CA.  Dec 12 19:28
schestowitz-TRLF does the same now for "apps"Dec 12 19:29
schestowitz-TRwith sigstore Dec 12 19:29
schestowitz-TRor whatever gulag and ibm call itDec 12 19:29
schestowitz-TRLF fronts for themDec 12 19:29
schestowitz-TRso you are talking about doing the same as they do on there www but to binariesDec 12 19:29
schestowitz-TRbtw, at x86 level with uefi they attempoted to leverage monopoly/monoculkture for "trust"Dec 12 19:31
schestowitz-TRmode, controlled by Microsoft, for OS you bootDec 12 19:31
Techrights-sec yes that would be anotherDec 12 19:31
Techrights-secexample.  Also the "app" store don't actually vet the software other than toDec 12 19:31
Techrights-secensure that no independent repositories are allowed to survive.  Dec 12 19:31
schestowitz-TRgenerally speaking, I miantain that highest "bang for the buck" pub-wise is Daily LinksDec 12 19:34
schestowitz-TRas there is never enough time to cover everything but linking toDec 12 19:34
schestowitz-TRthose who have put in the effort helps both them and the readersDec 12 19:34
schestowitz-TRI doi wonder if there is room for technical work that somehow makes the Dec 12 19:34
schestowitz-TRassemlage of these links more usable, e.g. some ways of correlating stories, alsoDec 12 19:34
schestowitz-TRacross days, based on themes and suchDec 12 19:34
schestowitz-TRI like how in lagrange the Dailyt Links postsDec 12 19:34
schestowitz-TRare shows with categories along the left, based on headingsDec 12 19:34
schestowitz-TRlike a bookmarkDec 12 19:35
Techrights-secCataloging the stories would be a whole separate task ...Dec 12 19:37
Techrights-secIt would be very very useful to do so, but probably consume twice again as muchDec 12 19:37
Techrights-sectime as collecting and collating the links in the first place.  PlusDec 12 19:37
Techrights-seccataloging is rather though intensive.  Most of all, consistency is the Dec 12 19:37
Techrights-secessential factor and that means having as few people as possible work on theDec 12 19:37
Techrights-sectask over time, since even with collaborators, there is little overlap.Dec 12 19:37
schestowitz-TRthe overlap agrow and will grow as news runs dry. already, for foss, half of what you sent me I included alreadyDec 12 19:37
schestowitz-TR ;-)Dec 12 19:37
Techrights-secSo one cannot achieve perfect accuiracy just consisitency.  Dec 12 19:39
Techrights-secYes as lamented over the last few years, the news really is drying up more andDec 12 19:39
Techrights-secmore.  There are really only a few good, relevant articles per day at most.  OnDec 12 19:39
Techrights-secsome days, there are even fewer.  Friday through Monday, for example, are quiteDec 12 19:39
Techrights-secempty.  Dec 12 19:39
schestowitz-TRexcept in indiaDec 12 19:39
schestowitz-TRshifting to a more relevant point in 20013-14 I lacked time to cover stories so I experimented with turning FOSS News Picks into mini stories. That was still time consuming, basically short articles (like bruce Scheier) with a long list of references at the bottomDec 12 19:41
Techrights-secThe Indian sites have material but it is a very small percentage of the actualDec 12 19:44
Techrights-secarticles, and a lot to wade through.  Dec 12 19:44
Techrights-secPeople are getting boxed in regarding choice of products and the loss of controlDec 12 19:44
Techrights-secushered in with the new devices.  Schrems covers some of the web sites, but Dec 12 19:44
Techrights-secwhile that is going on online, there is a far worse situation happening Dec 12 19:44
Techrights-secaround /everyone/ in the physical world.  Everything has at least a microcontro Dec 12 19:44
Techrights-secller in it.  USB-C cables are computers...Dec 12 19:44
Techrights-secwhereas USB-A cables were simply wires.Dec 12 19:44
Techrights-secAs for the list of references, I would highly recommend a reference databaseDec 12 19:46
Techrights-secZotero is good in principle but has a terrible and inefficient interface.Dec 12 19:46
Techrights-secI use WordPresssDec 12 19:48
Techrights-secfailing that, GulagSearchDec 12 19:48
Techrights-secin the web era, refs is just a url or url+title pairDec 12 19:48
Techrights-secin articles I always include both, even if in the body of an articleDec 12 19:48
Techrights-secit makes it easier to locate artiocles when they vanish years laterDec 12 19:48
schestowitz-TRI use WordPresssDec 12 19:50
schestowitz-TRfailing that, GulagSearchDec 12 19:50
schestowitz-TRin the web era, refs is just a url or url+title pairDec 12 19:50
schestowitz-TRin articles I always include both, even if in the body of an articleDec 12 19:50
schestowitz-TRit makes it easier to locate artiocles when they vanish years laterDec 12 19:50
Techrights-secyou were just mentioning adding in keywords, too, the title, URL and summaryDec 12 19:50
Techrights-seccan be harvested automatically from the daily links but then adding Dec 12 19:50
Techrights-seca line or two of comments plus keywords (subject headings) can be quite Dec 12 19:50
Techrights-secinconvenient with a bad interface.Dec 12 19:50
Techrights-secCaching the body of the article would be useful too, that can be fetched usingDec 12 19:50
Techrights-secthe URL. Dec 12 19:50
schestowitz-TRwe can do so-called (joking) "big data" and turn the large cache of Daily Links into some new gemini pages,  Dec 12 19:51
schestowitz-TRjust as many wiki pages were in fact derived from site archivesDec 12 19:51
Techrights-secWiki is difficult and does not scale.Dec 12 19:51
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-TechrightsBN/ | Book review: Global Mandatory Fair Use - The IPKatDec 12 20:29
schestowitz"Reminds me of prof. Senftleben's attempts to expand the 'pastiche', parody or quotation exceptions to a point not supported by ordinary language nor legal sources. and Ultimately such attempts to bypass the legislative's sole power to expand the limited list of Dec 12 20:29
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-TechrightsBN/ | User-Generated Content โ€“ Towards a New Use Privilege in EU Copyright Law by Martin Senftleben :: SSRNDec 12 20:29
schestowitzexceptions to copyright InfoSoc Directive, to mold it into a common law 'fair use' exception-lite, are wishful thinking or outcome based reasoning."Dec 12 20:29
-TechrightsBN/ | COMMUNIA Salon 2020/2: protecting freedom of expression via the pastiche exception โ€“ International Communia AssociationDec 12 20:29
schestowitz 12 20:30
-TechrightsBN/ | Book Review: (Re)structuring Copyright, A Comprehensive Path to International Copyright Reform - The IPKatDec 12 20:30
schestowitz"|But does the author have any view on the excessive term of protection, 70 years after the arbitrary year wherein the author deceased? "Dec 12 20:30
schestowitz 12 20:31
-TechrightsBN/ | Does the injunction gap violate implementers' fair trial rights under the ECHR? - The IPKatDec 12 20:31
schestowitz"Dec 12 20:31
schestowitzmaintenance as granted is not the same as invalidity (in full) - the actual statistics for invalidity (in full) are below 40% for granted EP and DE patents as far as known hereDec 12 20:31
schestowitzIn any event, it all depends on the specifics of the case at hand and the side that is seeking its rightDec 12 20:31
schestowitzA lawfully entitled patentee should not be deprived of their rights either... (despite any shortcomings of the injunction gap) Dec 12 20:31
schestowitzAnd yes experience shows German judges do grant a stay of the proceedings based on their own judgement ... (without preliminary opinion from the GFPC/BPatGDec 12 20:31
schestowitz"Dec 12 20:31
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