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schestowitz-TR2<techrights-news> "Open-source software enables researchers to see materials in 3D while they're still on the electron microscope" https://news.umich.edu/visualizing-nanoscale-structures-in-real-time/Sep 14 03:23
-TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-news.umich.edu | Visualizing nanoscale structures in real time | University of Michigan NewsSep 14 03:23
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Techrights-secackSep 14 06:03
schestowitz-TR2just sent instructions to mariusSep 14 06:04
schestowitz-TR2Marius uses the automated script not the shell.Sep 14 06:05
schestowitz-TR2So which instructions?Sep 14 06:05
Techrights-secMarius uses the automated script not the shell.Sep 14 06:05
Techrights-secSo which instructions?Sep 14 06:05
schestowitz-TR2see emailSep 14 06:06
Techrights-secThanksSep 14 06:06
Techrights-secThough the script might change since it's not considered completed.Sep 14 06:09
schestowitz-TR2yeah, i'm awareSep 14 06:10
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schestowitz-TR2mate, :) it's worseSep 14 10:16
schestowitz-TR2theverge.comSep 14 10:16
schestowitz-TR2ANY page I visit with falkanSep 14 10:16
schestowitz-TR2becomes 500Sep 14 10:16
schestowitz-TR2lol!!!Sep 14 10:16
schestowitz-TR2good luck with billgSep 14 10:16
schestowitz-TR2I never liked them after patel fired the person who was preparing an article for themSep 14 10:16
schestowitz-TR2because he exposed billgSep 14 10:16
schestowitz-TR2and then billg took overSep 14 10:16
schestowitz-TR2so deep inside I hope they join, along with zdnet, the graveyard of sitesSep 14 10:16
schestowitz-TR2I would not miss themSep 14 10:16
schestowitz-TR2they dn't target meSep 14 10:16
schestowitz-TR2I'm not their audienceSep 14 10:16
schestowitz-TR2they probably only test with "smart" phonesSep 14 10:16
schestowitz-TR2ads, infinite scroll...Sep 14 10:16
schestowitz-TR2WAIT< WTF!!!!Sep 14 10:16
schestowitz-TR2the bottom links link to VOXMEDIA!Sep 14 10:16
schestowitz-TR2so theverge is voxSep 14 10:16
schestowitz-TR2goldman sachs et alSep 14 10:16
schestowitz-TR2very notoriousSep 14 10:16
schestowitz-TR2bottom of pagesSep 14 10:16
schestowitz-TR2"the verge is a vox mnedia network"Sep 14 10:16
schestowitz-TR2so they sold or sold outSep 14 10:16
schestowitz-TR2or cashed in on the exitSep 14 10:16
schestowitz-TR2I cannot even enter any article there, not with falkon anywaySep 14 10:16
Techrights-secackSep 14 10:34
Techrights-secWhen did they sell to that company?Sep 14 10:34
schestowitz-TR2i wondered the exact same thing, maybe wikipedia can tellSep 14 10:36
schestowitz-TR2maybe it has gone on for years without them declaring itSep 14 10:36
schestowitz-TR2sort of like pia and freenodeSep 14 10:36
Techrights-secHere's a hint: https://www.theverge.com/2022/5/4/23056898/the-verge-partners-with-vox-media-studios-and-21-laps-on-new-netflix-seriesSep 14 10:37
Techrights-secIt's been a while though, already in 2021:Sep 14 10:37
Techrights-sechttps://deadline.com/2021/12/vox-media-group-nine-to-merger-digital-consolidation-1234890285/Sep 14 10:37
-TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-www.theverge.com | The Verge Partners with Vox Media Studios and 21 Laps on New Netflix Series - The VergeSep 14 10:37
-TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-Vox Media And Group Nine Media On Verge Of Merging Amid Digital Consolidation Wave – DeadlineSep 14 10:37
schestowitz-TR2same with zdnetSep 14 10:39
schestowitz-TR2it has been complicated since cbs collapsedSep 14 10:39
schestowitz-TR2and then another company stepped inSep 14 10:39
schestowitz-TR2even weirder when you check out the families that own these companiesSep 14 10:39
schestowitz-TR2wikipedia is not helping much, it feels like it covers upSep 14 10:39
schestowitz-TR2zdnet, in its own words, sells sponsored narrativesSep 14 10:39
schestowitz-TR2like the oin and lf bsSep 14 10:39
schestowitz-TR2that's the productSep 14 10:39
schestowitz-TR2assigned to staff writerSep 14 10:39
Techrights-sec"Lockhart Steele, founder and C.E.O. of the Curbed Network, met Bankoff about two years ago, around the same time Vox Media acquired The Verge. Though the tSep 14 10:42
Techrights-secwo have "flirted" with the prospect of joining forces the timing was never right, until now that is."Sep 14 10:42
Techrights-sechttps://www.politico.com/media/story/2013/11/with-curbed-buy-vox-media-is-done-with-acquisitions-for-a-while-001312/Sep 14 10:42
Techrights-secSure kept that low-keySep 14 10:42
-TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-With Curbed buy, Vox Media is done with acquisitions, for a while- POLITICO MediaSep 14 10:42
Techrights-sechttps://www.vox.com/2015/5/26/8663975/vox-media-recode-deal-explainedSep 14 10:42
-TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-The Vox Media-Re/code deal, explained by Vox Media’s CEO - VoxSep 14 10:42
Techrights-secRe/code used to be around but faded away rather rapidly at some point.Sep 14 10:42
schestowitz-TR2I've long been in favour of boyotting billbc, billpr, and the vergeSep 14 10:44
schestowitz-TR2all compromsied by the bill, just like bill's guardianSep 14 10:44
schestowitz-TR2I cannot stand sending them traffic, thinking about what monsters that helps support (even if not linking directly to the hagiographies and revisionism)Sep 14 10:44
schestowitz-TR2re re/code, you beat me to itSep 14 10:44
schestowitz-TR2I was about to say the same thing you didSep 14 10:44
schestowitz-TR2yesterday I sae ina fried (Microsoft mole) boosting LF trash, i.e. githubSep 14 10:44
schestowitz-TR2microsoft tim became a nomad, just like catalin cimpanu and bogdan popaSep 14 10:44
schestowitz-TR2they won't be done till they sell pencil from a cup in the streetSep 14 10:44
Techrights-sec:(Sep 14 10:45
schestowitz-TR2they are actively maliciousSep 14 10:47
schestowitz-TR2with some publishers, like pro publica, they just drink from the fountain billg pisses inSep 14 10:47
schestowitz-TR2and that makes them tainted rather than actively maliciousSep 14 10:47
schestowitz-TR2so that's the lesser problematic tierSep 14 10:47
schestowitz-TR2now that more people know what the bill and lolita foundation is, it is important to remind people who took bribes from itSep 14 10:47
schestowitz-TR2that's just karmaSep 14 10:47
Techrights-sechttps://www.axios.com/2022/03/03/vox-media-group-nine-merger-layoffsSep 14 10:50
Techrights-secanti-investment to drive de-growth towards an eventual "successful" bankruptcySep 14 10:50
Techrights-sechttps://ultimatepopculture.fandom.com/wiki/The_Verge#Vox_Media_/_SB_NationSep 14 10:50
-TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-www.axios.com | Vox Media lays off 3% of staff after Group Nine mergerSep 14 10:50
-TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-ultimatepopculture.fandom.com | The Verge | Ultimate Pop Culture Wiki | FandomSep 14 10:50
schestowitz-TR2two common tactics (HR)Sep 14 10:55
schestowitz-TR2-reduce hours for a perios of time according to which severance if calculated, then lay offSep 14 10:55
schestowitz-TR2-assign workers to a new (obsolete) unit, then scuttle the unit (happened in epo)Sep 14 10:56
schestowitz-TR2btw, I am failing to leave the company, no matter what I try; cannot do anything abrupt because of rianne's positionSep 14 10:56
Techrights-secackSep 14 10:56
Techrights-sechttps://www.cnbc.com/2022/07/27/vox-media-cuts-staff-slows-down-hiring-as-recession-fears-grow.htmlSep 14 10:56
Techrights-secackSep 14 10:56
-TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-www.cnbc.com | Vox Media cuts staff, slows down hiring as recession fears growSep 14 10:57
schestowitz-TR2maybe the new site (redesign) is a low-cost skeleton, time will tell. i cannot open any page there, they obv. lost me as a reader.Sep 14 11:00
schestowitz-TR2the new zdnet most certaionly feels like a rush job, a low-budget pull-shit-together workSep 14 11:00
schestowitz-TR2with a logo a little child can makeSep 14 11:00
schestowitz-TR2*rushedSep 14 11:00
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Techrights-sechttps://www.capterra.com/p/179174/StoryStream/Sep 14 11:07
Techrights-sec"best for ..."Sep 14 11:07
-TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell- ( status 403 @ https://www.capterra.com/p/179174/StoryStream/ )Sep 14 11:07
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schestowitz-TR2best for > optimised for > limited to Sep 14 11:09
schestowitz-TR2site might not be safe -> press many buttons to go ahead -> this site is malicious, close tabSep 14 11:09
schestowitz-TR2the www is for tim b-l to share info -> it's to share DATA -> it's transport for DRM shitSep 14 11:09
schestowitz-TR2wikipedia is for collaboration on info -> wikipedia is to 'guard' info from spinners -> wikipedia is for spinners to guardian brands from "harmful" factsSep 14 11:09
Techrights-sechttps://www.crunchbase.com/organization/storystreamSep 14 11:10
-TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell- ( status 403 @ https://www.crunchbase.com/organization/storystream )Sep 14 11:10
Techrights-secackSep 14 11:10
schestowitz-TR2rip, wwwSep 14 11:12
schestowitz-TR2thge casket has been ready, made by the master carpenterSep 14 11:12
schestowitz-TR2but the www does not yet know it is thereSep 14 11:12
schestowitz-TR2it insists things will be ok if only everyone downloaded timbl's JS framwork from proprietary microsoft'nsa shithubSep 14 11:12
schestowitz-TR2if only...Sep 14 11:12
schestowitz-TR2we meanwhile have other frameworks for interlinked pages that are safe to use and don't come with 200MB binariesSep 14 11:12
schestowitz-TR2and can do as well as doxygen and other vital stuffSep 14 11:12
schestowitz-TR2"due, WTF!!! I don't need your fucking FONTS to read your fucking recipe!!"Sep 14 11:12
schestowitz-TR2*dudeSep 14 11:12
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Techrights-secackSep 14 11:32
Techrights-secWhich recipe site(s) push external fonts?Sep 14 11:32
schestowitz-TR2lots of the "big ones" for sureSep 14 11:33
schestowitz-TR2the ones that think sites are always viewed like a poster with the same device and configsSep 14 11:33
schestowitz-TR2some sites are like a PDFSep 14 11:33
schestowitz-TR2and that too makes wrong assumption about the client deviceSep 14 11:33
Techrights-secMany CMS-based sites in general push external fonts.Sep 14 11:34
Techrights-secThe pages end up being many tens of megabytes, all told. Sep 14 11:34
Techrights-secThe Verge's new layout is "quite cleve" but basically unusable on a standardSep 14 11:34
Techrights-seclandscape mode screen.  I bet they only bothered to test it on a smartphone.Sep 14 11:34
schestowitz-TR2that is not a smart moveSep 14 11:35
schestowitz-TR2they are on the verge of driving away many readersSep 14 11:35
schestowitz-TR2I cannot even access the site, not even with JSSep 14 11:35
Techrights-secIt does not need javascript, as far as I know, but the abuse of CSS makes forSep 14 11:42
Techrights-secvery agitated, distracting movement while scrolling and a miserably narrowSep 14 11:42
Techrights-seccolumn for the actual content.  The crap on the screen moves around despiteSep 14 11:42
Techrights-secme not telling to explicitly.  Clever is not the same as useful.Sep 14 11:42
Techrights-secI used to be able to skim the site quickly and pick out interesting articles.Sep 14 11:42
Techrights-secNow it is hard to see what the articles are about and what to even click on.Sep 14 11:42
Techrights-secUsability is not a goal, very clearly.  That's not a problem limited to Sep 14 11:42
Techrights-secThe Verge.  Usability is so out of fashion that you can buy some of the bestSep 14 11:42
Techrights-secbooks on the topic for a few EUR, including shipping.  One of the thinks whichSep 14 11:42
Techrights-secI suspect has happened is that the people who grew up with "engagement" in theirSep 14 11:42
Techrights-secinterfaces think that is how the site is best made.  If it does not have RSSSep 14 11:42
Techrights-secI might stop checking it, since it requires too much time and effort for theSep 14 11:42
Techrights-secmeager return it still provides.  Sep 14 11:42
schestowitz-TR2too much spice spoils the brothSep 14 11:45
schestowitz-TR2we need to start overSep 14 11:45
schestowitz-TR2back to 90s wwwSep 14 11:45
schestowitz-TR2i know the feelingSep 14 11:45
schestowitz-TR2in 2004ish I wrote a bunch of scriptc to follow sites that did not have rss feeds (yet)Sep 14 11:45
schestowitz-TR2right now I have list of sites to checkSep 14 11:45
schestowitz-TR2for which either new rss exists or no specific-enough feeds exist, e.g. linuxSep 14 11:45
schestowitz-TR2today rianne asked about traffic in new TMSep 14 11:45
schestowitz-TR2I told her I don't know and don't care muchSep 14 11:45
schestowitz-TR2it's not even clear what and who to measureSep 14 11:45
schestowitz-TR2e.g. bots or x requests per page (images, css, favicon...)Sep 14 11:45
schestowitz-TR2to impress or to lie to shareholders like FB and twitter doSep 14 11:49
schestowitz-TR2you could just double the number of objects in each page, then count "hits"Sep 14 11:49
schestowitz-TR2or you could count spiders are "active users" etc etcSep 14 11:49
schestowitz-TR2i told you years ago that I learned from addiction until around 2006 that tracking "stats" can be a major waste of timeSep 14 11:49
schestowitz-TR2time better spent producing more insteadSep 14 11:49
schestowitz-TR2and not giving a damn about perceived "popularity"Sep 14 11:49
schestowitz-TR2it can be down-puttingSep 14 11:49
schestowitz-TR2spamnil keeps increasing spambot/clickfrauds doses to keep the same level of self-delusion/satisfactionSep 14 11:49
schestowitz-TR2but deep inside he knows he's a fraud and utter failureSep 14 11:49
schestowitz-TR2like many managers (inwards)Sep 14 11:49
schestowitz-TR2insecure to the poiint of bullying anyone who might expose themSep 14 11:49
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Techrights-secThere are a lot of possible dead ends to explore still. Sep 14 14:21
schestowitz-TR2you can grab the key in roy @ tr-new or tm-newSep 14 14:27
schestowitz-TR2it is the one I useSep 14 14:27
Techrights-secokSep 14 14:29
schestowitz-TR2ota (lf)Sep 14 14:29
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schestowitz-TR2<techrights-news> "Many of Peiter (Mudge) Zatko’s former colleagues have received offers of payment for information about him." https://www.newyorker.com/news/news-desk/the-search-for-dirt-on-the-twitter-whistle-blowerSep 14 15:08
-TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-www.newyorker.com | The Search for Dirt on the Twitter Whistle-Blower | The New YorkerSep 14 15:08
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schestowitz-TR2recorded, done Sep 14 16:34
schestowitz-TR2thanks, I shall take a look when I wake up laterSep 14 16:34
schestowitz-TR2need to first catch up with links to assure TM is ehad of the surveSep 14 16:34
schestowitz-TR2*ahead of the curveSep 14 16:35
schestowitz-TR2search functionality can later be used to check other (prior) pages for proxmity and then add "pages related to this:"Sep 14 16:36
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