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schestowitz[05:42] <schestowitz> >>> Did you do something to restore *comments* being shown, or did it fixJan 19 05:47
schestowitz[05:42] <schestowitz> >>> itself, as sometimes happens?Jan 19 05:47
schestowitz[05:42] <schestowitz> >>Jan 19 05:47
schestowitz[05:42] <schestowitz> >> I did not even access the admin panel :-)>Jan 19 05:47
schestowitz[05:42] <schestowitz> > Weird, but good! A similar return to the living happened recently. Jan 19 05:47
schestowitz[05:42] <schestowitz> > My iPhone Voice Mail stopped appearing and an error message said call your Jan 19 05:47
schestowitz[05:42] <schestowitz> > phone carrier. I did not do that. Two calls to APPLE support, which is Jan 19 05:47
schestowitz[05:42] <schestowitz> > always excellent, did not help. Three days later it restored itself and I was Jan 19 05:48
schestowitz[05:42] <schestowitz> > happy to have it back….no questions asked, somewhat like a hostage Jan 19 05:48
schestowitz[05:42] <schestowitz> > situation where all are released unharmed and the perpetrator surrenders to Jan 19 05:48
schestowitz[05:42] <schestowitz> > police.Jan 19 05:48
schestowitz[05:42] <schestowitz> Sounds like a product was faulty though.Jan 19 05:48
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schestowitz-TRdid you see the Twitter report against me?Jan 19 07:00
schestowitz-TRI think it shows that the idea of not posting in Twitter as meansJan 19 07:00
schestowitz-TRor protecting the account is an invalid ideaJan 19 07:00
schestowitz-TRpeople even report tweets from years agoJan 19 07:00
schestowitz-TRlike that trans person who two years later complained that I merelyJan 19 07:00
schestowitz-TRmentioned a past nameJan 19 07:00
schestowitz-TRand then twitter forced me to delete thisJan 19 07:00
schestowitz-TRand then had me banned for like a dayJan 19 07:00
Techrights-secgmJan 19 07:01
Techrights-secmore software updates here todayJan 19 07:01
Techrights-secI skimmed the post   Jan 19 07:01
Techrights-secyep Jan 19 07:01
Techrights-sectwitter uses the trolls as a pretext to enforce an agendaJan 19 07:01
Techrights-secif you intend to keep the account the bans need to be fought otherwise theJan 19 07:01
Techrights-secautomatic 5-strikes-and-delete will kick inJan 19 07:01
Techrights-secIt's a waste of time of course but that is one of the attackers' goalsJan 19 07:01
activelowfought how?Jan 19 07:01
schestowitz-TRexactl;yJan 19 07:04
schestowitz-TRno wayJan 19 07:04
schestowitz-TRtheir "appeal" system is just box-ticking exerciseJan 19 07:04
schestowitz-TRthey don't get back to youJan 19 07:04
schestowitz-TRand there is nobody to speak toJan 19 07:04
schestowitz-TRwhen fsfe (I think) made an invalid comoplaintJan 19 07:04
schestowitz-TRI responded with a challengeJan 19 07:04
schestowitz-TRnobody respondedJan 19 07:04
schestowitz-TRsame with the OSI 7-ay banJan 19 07:04
schestowitz-TR*dayJan 19 07:05
schestowitz-TRtwitter does not respondJan 19 07:05
schestowitz-TRthey  help false reportersJan 19 07:05
Techrights-secFSFE is part of several problems, one is that they play along with twitterJan 19 07:05
Techrights-secto help enemies of software freedom in general and not just against you or TRJan 19 07:05
Techrights-secHowever it is important to document, both within and outside of twitter, andJan 19 07:14
Techrights-secinform twitter users both of the attacks and of better means of following.  Jan 19 07:14
Techrights-secTwitter, like the other social control media fora, is not a service for     Jan 19 07:14
Techrights-seccommunication.  Jan 19 07:14
Techrights-secIt is very important to hammer that last point home.  Jan 19 07:14
Techrights-secThere is a lot of wishful thinking and such among social control media users,Jan 19 07:20
Techrights-secmostly denial in the classical addiction context.Jan 19 07:20
schestowitz-TRack\Jan 19 07:20
schestowitz-TRtrying to rationalise the abuser/abuseJan 19 07:20
schestowitz-TR"bad actors"Jan 19 07:20
Techrights-secthat tooJan 19 07:26
Techrights-secxxxJan 19 07:26
Techrights-sec^wrong paste deleteJan 19 07:26
Techrights-sechighlight-middleclick seems to have partially broken :/Jan 19 07:26
Techrights-secanyway, many if not most social control media users are badly addicted Jan 19 07:26
Techrights-sec[sychologically and will see past all kinds of problems in order to continueJan 19 07:26
Techrights-secthe addictive behavior: Jan 19 07:26
Techrights-sechttps://www.psychologytoday.com/us/blog/science-choice/201811/the-role-denial-in-Jan 19 07:26
-TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell- ( status 404 @ https://www.psychologytoday.com/us/blog/science-choice/201811/the-role-denial-in- )Jan 19 07:26
Techrights-secaddictionJan 19 07:27
Techrights-secAnd, yes, the interfaces are designed for addiction, though the euphemism Jan 19 07:27
Techrights-sec"engagement" is often used.  It is the polar opposite of usability andJan 19 07:27
Techrights-secto a certain extent accessibility.Jan 19 07:27
Techrights-sechttps://www.azureacres.com/addiction/articles/stages-denial/Jan 19 07:27
-TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-www.azureacres.com | Stages of Denial | Santa Rosa & San Francisco | Azure AcresJan 19 07:27
Techrights-secmost are engaged in self-deception to keep the addictive behavior going Jan 19 07:27
schestowitz-TRre "highlight-middleclick seems to have partially broken :/" it is completely broken in librewolf 94 flatpakJan 19 07:29
activelowcannot use any of the services: twitter, facebook, youtube. none of the www browsers i got support those anymore (netsurf, badwolf, lynx, links)Jan 19 07:29
schestowitz-TRgoodJan 19 07:29
schestowitz-TRthat's a -plusJan 19 07:29
schestowitz-TRspeaking oif which, google plus is deadJan 19 07:30
schestowitz-TRpeople who "laboured" there lost everythingJan 19 07:30
schestowitz-TReven "friends"Jan 19 07:30
activelowby coincidence the material i search for and read is not affected: wikipedia (except authoring), the real software development sitesJan 19 07:32
schestowitz-TRnot a coincidenceJan 19 07:32
activelowmy complaint, about the social control mass media: they affect my live and the surrounding society, even when i refrain from all of itJan 19 07:41
activelowi have never used any android/ios smartphone, except some ancient blackberry when working for an ISP to receive SMS alertsJan 19 07:41
activelownonetheless, i am surrounded by a mob which coordinates and agitates on social control media, a software industry which dictates the labor marketJan 19 07:42
activelowalthough i program and hack almost everyday, i am treated as a total misfit on labor "market"Jan 19 07:44
activelowthe corporations, are dictating "standards" and business habits i fundamentaly disagree withJan 19 07:46
activelowno offense towards "web developers", programmers; however telco engineering is occupied with mathematics, most of it done with pencil and paperJan 19 07:47
activelowimagine this, some computer scientist, who couldn't program with any programming language.Jan 19 07:48
activelowi mean, wasted weeks to learn java and object oriented programming, in parallel to all the "trivial" maths during my studiesJan 19 07:49
activelowif i had known, 15 years later, i decided to ditch Java entirely, after i wasted some more years with J2EE programming for exampleJan 19 07:50
activelowand nowadays, i shall explain why "apps" aren't any progress, WASM isn't neitherJan 19 07:51
activelowsorry, got some time to spare, tracked down some more gcc-4.7 related compilation errors and wait for another one to finishJan 19 07:52
activelowin germany FSFE seems to be a party politics outlet of german liberals, the FDP, who occupy ministry of education since the last electionJan 19 07:54
activelowthey arranged for gigantic funding of "digitalization" of education; they wouldn't at least know what it is, "digitalization", which isn't some arbitrary buzzwordJan 19 07:55
activelowto push sales of consumer electronics in schools, where this mindset doesn't belongJan 19 07:56
Techrights-sec"people who "laboured" there" == sharecroppers   Jan 19 07:56
activelowdigitalization, by definition is *only* this: signal processing, the _sampling_ (specific type of measurement) of a signalJan 19 07:57
activelowpulse code modulation and sigma-delta modulation are two methods of sampling a signalJan 19 07:58
activelowalthough, "digitalization" is a term void of any definition too if the analog parts are missedJan 19 07:59
activelowthat's why, legacy gear and protocols are exciting, because 56K modems and earlier with their modulation schemes and protocols are documentedJan 19 08:00
Techrights-sechttps://www.pbs.org/tpt/slavery-by-another-name/themes/sharecropping/Jan 19 09:06
-TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-www.pbs.org | Sharecropping | Themes | Slavery by Another Name | PBSJan 19 09:06
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activelow^ "feudalism" (which isn't identical to capitalism); although history books are in error with the description of feudalism tooJan 19 09:32
activelowaccording to theory, in return for feudal privileges, landlords supposedly provided safety and protection (including military force); in reality often farmers were drafted to die on the battlefields themselves instead of the landlordsJan 19 09:36
activelowthis is one explanation of the anabaptist movement (german peasants war), and their migration to north america: to flee from mandatory military draftsJan 19 09:54
activelowreminds me when i quit, which wasn't directly related, however raised my suspicion further after 1990, the iraq war (year 2004) and involvement of germany and with it Telekom as supplier of military and intelligenceJan 19 09:57
schestowitz-TR1. new version of mumble is outJan 19 09:58
schestowitz-TR2. I bypassed the oldkey on our instance of it last night to test I can access itJan 19 09:58
schestowitz-TR OKJan 19 09:58
schestowitz-TR3. afaik, it's a lot safer than landlineJan 19 09:58
activelowthen, i stumbled upon OpenBSD project, who publicly questioned the involvement of software projects with military and politicsJan 19 09:58
Techrights-secbetter sound quality that pseudo landlines too.   Jan 19 09:59
schestowitz-TRactivelow: yesJan 19 09:59
schestowitz-TRand it lost darpa funds over itJan 19 09:59
schestowitz-TRtheo condemning iraq warJan 19 09:59
Techrights-secThe new cert is in ~gemini/mumble.txt Jan 19 10:52
Techrights-secbut if you've logged in then it's already updated in the clientJan 19 10:52
schestowitz-TRthanks, speaking gemini, the only remaining things to fix is the logging (as a background service) and around midnight I will check i if git updates OKJan 19 10:53
schestowitz-TR*middayJan 19 10:53
Techrights-secI'm going to move my main computer back to devuan, will probably unavailableJan 19 10:54
Techrights-secfpr a bit; ok I will check the gemini logging later today thenJan 19 10:54
Techrights-secthat was a unit file (systemd) problemJan 19 10:54
Techrights-secback in a whileJan 19 10:54
schestowitz-TRokJan 19 10:54
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schestowitzx https://www.how2shout.com/linux/how-to-install-vs-code-server-on-almalinux-rocky-linux-8/Jan 19 11:36
-TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-www.how2shout.com | How to Install VS Code-Server on AlmaLinux | Rocky Linux 8 - Linux ShoutJan 19 11:36
activelowanother peculiar detail, about iraq war: there hasn't been any dispute about the fact Saddam deployed chemical weapons in 1980sJan 19 11:45
activelowinstead, year 2004, "peace activists" began to argue there wasn't any of those weapons to justify an interventionJan 19 11:45
activelow"controlled opposition", and instead of asking who the suppliers were and why, "peace activists" argued there wasn't any to begin with, which was an outrageous distractionJan 19 11:49
activelowbecause, Saddam did possess those, and too they were deployed against populationJan 19 11:50
activelowsimilar situation with most "eco activists", who perpetuate argument under "false flag", "controlled oppostion"Jan 19 11:52
activelowanyway, the propaganda outlets distracted from the question, who had supplied the weapons, and why; and anyone who argued those weapons existed was errornously identified as supporter of the USA war agenda, remarkable twistJan 19 11:55
activelowbecause, those weapons did exist, were deployed, and still posed a threat (libya? and elsewhere)Jan 19 11:56
Techrights-sec now "just" tidying upJan 19 13:06
Techrights-secmozilla did not bring in /any/ settings from the earlier profile(s)      Jan 19 13:06
Techrights-seclz4jsoncat was needed to get at the old bookmarks :(Jan 19 13:06
schestowitz-TRwhen restoring the pi I wondered if on that too I should move to librewolf, their OS comes only with cough cough chrom(ium)Jan 19 13:07
Techrights-secchromium does not seem available, at least in the default repositories, Jan 19 13:11
Techrights-secso I guess I am locked out of some sites for nowJan 19 13:11
schestowitz-TRi often say,Jan 19 13:11
schestowitz-TRthings that do not support xyzJan 19 13:11
schestowitz-TRmight be worth avoiding anywayJan 19 13:12
schestowitz-TRbecause xyz is not good anyhowJan 19 13:12
Techrights-secyeah, best to skip those sites anywayJan 19 13:12
schestowitz-TRit woiuld be wrong to compar this to Occam's razorJan 19 13:12
schestowitz-TRbut I have another thing in mindJan 19 13:12
schestowitz-TRlike "bullshit filter"Jan 19 13:12
schestowitz-TRor some other term I cannot quite recall Jan 19 13:12
Techrights-secackJan 19 13:14
schestowitz-TRthe same is true for people, as a social aspectJan 19 13:14
schestowitz-TRas in, if person x is yJan 19 13:14
schestowitz-TRthen better to avoid person x to avoid yJan 19 13:14
schestowitz-TRi've just spoken to my parents for over an hourJan 19 13:15
schestowitz-TReven if there's some element of BS in some thingsJan 19 13:15
schestowitz-TRthey are still parentsJan 19 13:15
schestowitz-TRso the typical rules do not apply :-)Jan 19 13:15
Techrights-sec$ systemctl --failedJan 19 13:36
Techrights-secshows agate-tcpdumper.service as expected but also plymouthJan 19 13:36
schestowitz-TRyup, I can see that nowJan 19 13:37
schestowitz-TRi have an unimportant queestion:Jan 19 13:38
schestowitz-TRon the older system or OS, would that have worked?Jan 19 13:38
schestowitz-TRorJan 19 13:39
schestowitz-TRasked another way: if we had that backed up fully, would OS upgradeJan 19 13:39
schestowitz-TRresult in this same conundrum?Jan 19 13:39
Techrights-secI think one of the variants would have worked, but bullseye is in placeJan 19 13:39
Techrights-secand has a longer time before EOL so it's better to find a work-aroundJan 19 13:39
schestowitz-TRif rianne gets another  raspi4 (for her VPN), then maybe I'll try to make a better backup routine which keeps a "hot spare" of sortsJan 19 13:40
schestowitz-TRwe are all still using debian 10, since start of 2020Jan 19 13:40
schestowitz-TRthe starting point would be an exact clone of the existing microsd card, and then deviate away from that, e.g. for another hostname and some other services like strongswan/ipsecJan 19 13:42
Techrights-secthe impotant part of the hot spare is the removable media.  It'd be easyJan 19 13:43
Techrights-secto have mirroring as part of the backup routine.                      Jan 19 13:43
Techrights-secThe existing system can be rsynced to a removable USB stickJan 19 13:43
schestowitz-TRgiven the low cost of cards we might even decided to cycle onto a new one every yJan 19 13:44
schestowitz-TReat and use the "old" one as possible fallbacksJan 19 13:44
schestowitz-TRthe cost of both the card and thr hardware make this approach attractive,m I thinJan 19 13:44
schestowitz-TRkJan 19 13:44
schestowitz-TRas time costs more than "money"Jan 19 13:44
schestowitz-TRbetter yet, with a clone of the system and another piece of hardware you can dry-Jan 19 13:46
schestowitz-TRtest and configure things ona  test system before taking it "live"Jan 19 13:46
schestowitz-TRe.g. dist-upgradeJan 19 13:46
Techrights-secyes, then the working drive can just be moved aroundJan 19 13:47
schestowitz-TRat a later date, maybe weekend, I will to clone the whole system to the 32GB USB stick that I boughtJan 19 13:47
schestowitz-TRthe pi can have both USB and microsd inserted at the same time, and based on what I read and saw firsthand it can boot from either, so no downtime neededJan 19 13:48
Techrights-secI'd try experimenting with reserving a little space on the USB stick thenJan 19 13:49
Techrights-secat the same time.  Yes, boot from one or the other, the priority is set Jan 19 13:49
Techrights-secusing raspi-configJan 19 13:49
schestowitz-TRyay, git ui over gemini:// is back to working and updating as beforeJan 19 13:52
schestowitz-TRi planned to check after midday, was having phone as a dictrating factorJan 19 13:52
schestowitz-TR(i can speak on the phone while posting lesser technical news picks at the same Jan 19 13:52
schestowitz-TRtime without getting awfully confused)Jan 19 13:52
Techrights-secadvanced options -> A6 boot orderJan 19 13:52
Techrights-secmultitasking is usually inefficent and more often than not introduces errorsJan 19 13:52
schestowitz-TRyes, but when it comes to posting the "less important" and RSS-based political news I don't mind making slight errors here and thereJan 19 13:52
schestowitz-TRthose are mostly a "classification" taskJan 19 13:55
schestowitz-TRmurray's article about the prison experience is very long, detailed, and interestJan 19 13:56
schestowitz-TRingJan 19 13:56
schestowitz-TRthe one upside of putting a good writer in jail for 4 months with a notebookJan 19 13:56
Techrights-secack             Jan 19 13:58
Techrights-secsome sorting can be done with minimal thought but it can still distractJan 19 13:58
Techrights-secfrom the callJan 19 13:58
Techrights-secmouse clicks are usually very loud on the phone tooJan 19 13:58
Techrights-secyes, though given the political nature of his incarceration I was surprisedJan 19 13:58
Techrights-secthat they allowed him a notebook or allowed one so easily.Jan 19 13:58
schestowitz-TRin belmarsh there are harsher restrictionsJan 19 14:00
schestowitz-TRassange complained that before appearance in courtJan 19 14:00
schestowitz-TRhe was denied even access to his own notesJan 19 14:00
schestowitz-TRthe vault7 leaker (alleged) showed how much more degrading it isJan 19 14:00
schestowitz-TRin the US systemJan 19 14:00
schestowitz-TRbut his access to the media was close to nothingJan 19 14:00
schestowitz-TRso you have to go by what people said he had uttered in courtJan 19 14:00
Techrights-secyes, although assange's computers (notes and defense) were all confiscatedJan 19 14:01
Techrights-secand turned over to his prosecutors.  Belmarsh has also moved him to and fromJan 19 14:01
Techrights-secthe court area in such a manner as to avoid him being able to hear his supportersJan 19 14:01
Techrights-sec outside the prison.  Jan 19 14:01
schestowitz-TRstripped-searcherd him repeatedlyJan 19 14:02
schestowitz-TRas if he must have soime weapon under those clothesJan 19 14:02
schestowitz-TRthose "geeks" with their "hacking" skillzJan 19 14:02
Techrights-sec"you might beat the rap, but you won't beat the ride"Jan 19 14:02
Techrights-sec"they ain't /my/ peers"Jan 19 14:02
Techrights-secetcJan 19 14:02
schestowitz-TRmr goolag has meanwhile done nothing since NovemberJan 19 14:03
schestowitz-TRall bark, no bitesJan 19 14:03
Techrights-secI don't expect him to reform.  I suppose he is still in IRC?Jan 19 14:04
schestowitz-TRyes, studying his next target or something...Jan 19 14:04
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schestowitz-TRbut imho hard work for money he does not needJan 19 14:06
schestowitz-TRlimits his capacity to spend time lying, attackingJan 19 14:06
schestowitz-TRthreatening and playing crybullyJan 19 14:06
schestowitz-TRenslaved by expectations that incapacitate himJan 19 14:06
Techrights-secackJan 19 14:07
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schestowitz-TR12 years ago I wanted to get rid of email completelyJan 19 18:34
schestowitz-TRnowadays I just try to lessen reliance on itJan 19 18:34
schestowitz-TRfor one thing, each time I send a message I assume it'sJan 19 18:34
schestowitz-TRharvested and saved for decadesJan 19 18:34
schestowitz-TRbecause it is so economic compared toJan 19 18:34
schestowitz-TRsomething such as landline callJan 19 18:34
Techrights-secI think that GMail blockes GMX and many others.Jan 19 18:35
Techrights-sec Landline, and mobile, callsJan 19 18:43
Techrights-secare very low depth and sample rate.  So they take very little space for audio,Jan 19 18:43
Techrights-seccompared to music or other types of sound.  That is probably easily combinedJan 19 18:43
Techrights-secwith voice recognition and automated transcription.  IIRC 8-bit mono at 8KHz Jan 19 18:43
Techrights-secsample rate.  Jan 19 18:43
schestowitz-TRyes, but that is less computationally cheap, less reliable, and I believe would be subjected to more blowback (if people discover all calls are processed and indexed in this fashion)Jan 19 18:44
Techrights-secI thought that was established as going on and that;s what the large data centersJan 19 18:48
Techrights-sec out west were for?Jan 19 18:48
Techrights-secHowever, the phone metadata is almost as valuable.  In some ways it is more Jan 19 18:48
Techrights-secvaluable because it takes far less space and is already machine readable withoutJan 19 18:48
Techrights-secfurther processing.  Jan 19 18:48
schestowitz-TRI know about retention of such data, but to trigger processing I think you need to be on one of the lists, at least for landlinesJan 19 18:49
Techrights-secPerhaps.  I am not familiar with the reports from a few years ago any more.  Jan 19 19:02
Techrights-secHowever, since so much of it can be automated , I would think it covers nearlyJan 19 19:02
Techrights-seceverybody especially since the threshold for being on a "list" is quite low.Jan 19 19:02
Techrights-sechttps://www.linuxjournal.com/content/nsa-linux-journal-extremist-forum-and-its-reJan 19 19:02
Techrights-secaders-get-flagged-extra-surveillanceJan 19 19:02
-TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell- ( status 404 @ https://www.linuxjournal.com/content/nsa-linux-journal-extremist-forum-and-its-re )Jan 19 19:02
schestowitz-TReven for the list above, iirc it refers to Internet tracking rather than converting calls to text, indexing them, then assigning NSA "analystt" to study the "threat'Jan 19 19:03
schestowitz-TRbtw, roblimo (rip) had served as NSA aorkerJan 19 19:04
schestowitz-TRprior to the taxi and Linux stuff iircJan 19 19:04
Techrights-secI would look at the material Bill Binney reported on.  Jan 19 19:06
schestowitz-TRStellar Wind or something newer?Jan 19 19:06
Techrights-sec Jan 19 19:07
Techrights-secand John KiriakouJan 19 19:07
Techrights-secnothing "new" but there was a lot more he said and wrote than what the         Jan 19 19:07
Techrights-secmainstream press even hinted atJan 19 19:07
Techrights-secAlso Thomas Drake.  FISA is basically ignored.Jan 19 19:09
schestowitz-TRtoday's media spurns sourcesJan 19 19:09
Techrights-secand spurns facts, they love opinions and give them equal or more weight thanJan 19 19:10
Techrights-secempirical factsJan 19 19:10
schestowitz-TRbuzzwordsJan 19 19:10
schestowitz-TRthe clownJan 19 19:10
schestowitz-TR"smart"Jan 19 19:10
schestowitz-TR"confidential computing"Jan 19 19:10
schestowitz-TRetc.Jan 19 19:10
schestowitz-TRthey don't want investigatorsJan 19 19:10
schestowitz-TRthey want more spamnilsJan 19 19:10
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Techrights-secyes as you've pointed out repeatedly, stenographersJan 19 19:26
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