IRC: #boycottnovell @ Techrights IRC Network: Monday, December 19, 2022

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susan did not, either

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nor does marius

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he's a "no bullshit" writer

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ack

Dec 19 07:58

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That is /very/ important.

Dec 19 07:58

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he also started saying gnu/linux some years ago

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I think it's my fault

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in fact, this year I see more people adding "gnu"

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and that's a big deal

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as the brand linux now means microsoft and maps and all sorts of crapo

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*crap

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Well, GNU/Linux does contrast with Systemd/Linux :/

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i hope some people can 'take' from the current 'series' some lessons that they find applicable to their

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present or past experiences

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I reckon many of these things are almost universl in IT

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so it helps to communicate the patterns

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That can be an additional reason to consider a part-time, remote job since it

Dec 19 08:05

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would provide contact with a situation where the technology is applied and

Dec 19 08:05

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can serve (accurately or inaccurately) as a base line.

Dec 19 08:05

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regarding systemd

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noticed how almost nobody talks about that ior LP@Microsoft anymor

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business a s usual, let the cancer spread to more cells in the system tree

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but anyway, they are fighting the EEE from the inside

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and it seems like any "true" user understands this

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shame lxer is playing along with thew Microsoft Tims of the world

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they alienate their own audiences

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a day ago we were at the front page there

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I did not even notice

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very little traffic in relative terms

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apachetop says 15 ml hits since it was started less than 50 days ago

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7 TB

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Yes, many see LP now officially on M$ payroll and realize what he had been doing

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all along but are still subdued about saying anything.

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I would guess that alienating those specific audiences is one of the goals of M$

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Remember "killed two Mac conferences by injecting Windows into it" (paraphrased)

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after 12 years with firsthand experience almost every day I can take a little break

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I think there's lots of important stuff to write about technology

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and there is no urgency for income, we're not broke like Sirius

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they could finish things amicable, but the brain works like crodile

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with fake tears

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royally fucked it up

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and they KNOW it

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i had no intention of writing anything

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ack

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The more M$ crap is injected into FOSS sites, the faster those sites lose their

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audiences and thus their raison d'être and from that their funding.

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yes, not just sites

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also companies

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there are companies that used to be FOSS

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then came along microsoft

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docker comes to mind as one

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csn you imsgine voolunteers with gps going out there to map for OSM now?

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who would they be working for? Jeff bezos and Bill Gates? See the Lunduke article too

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Checking

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I recall that M$ sued TomTom because the latter had failed to see the value

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in EXT2 or XFS.

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"the founder (FOSS guy) was ousted"

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a common occurance

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^ topic ?

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docker got more or less superceded

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the founder (FOSS guy) was ousted

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and they put a total jerk in charge

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taking the company to the cleaners

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and more proprietary

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I spoke to the founder in twitter

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where he was still trying to defend the company pushing as proprietary 'surplus'

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he meant well

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but his ownerrs ($) controlled him

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like the rust companies control Torvalds

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bottom line: if you let in the money (e.g. VC, "patrons", "sponsors") those with the money will call the shots

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you yourself might be rendered a mascot

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as a person of senimental worth

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sometimes staying "Smaller" means lasting longer

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greedy people want big returns, FAST

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and they are sociopaths

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they don't care who did all the work, who started the thing erc.

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*etc.

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see bakkt+zemlin

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or, for that matter, James Zemlin

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Zemlin works against LF and Linux despite is position. Really his situation

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renders him ineligible to even work there in any capacity, but he or someone

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like him is what m$ wants so they can destroy it from the inside as well as

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the outside

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afaik, osdl's cohen was the same

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but they kissed him goodbye and left

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after he had shilled microsoft office

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endorsed the microsoft-novell patent collusion

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and even went to visit redmond

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I can find the refs for that

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References for that would be good to revisit in the context of current day's

Dec 19 08:41

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LF and Zemlin's antics and Zemlin's conflicts of interest.

Dec 19 08:41

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you know, I could never get to the bottom of where cohen is today

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iirc, he formed some conultancy calles CIS or similar

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and the media did puff pieces for it

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it went nowhere

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and after that he's totally off the radar unless career//name changed

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soirt of like the guy who "invented" ODF

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still has a twitter account though

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durusau

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Probably in Redmond

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Yes it would be very, very interesting to find out what M$ did to Durusau to

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break him.

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He's probably under several NDAs about that himself.

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it foes not look like he swins in money

Dec 19 08:48

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*does not

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based on his online presence

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but he fell to obscurity

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like bbyfield, mgj, and countles other useful idiots, as the Soviets called them

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christine hall also vanished

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Only after she too was crushed

Dec 19 08:50

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in what sense? did I miss some online event?

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though credibility had been lost for years

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on a number of moral grounds

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and "force" became "corporate power"

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Didn't she soften on M$ before fading away?

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Also health issues stopped Ken Starks, after an otherwise good run:

https://fossforce.com/2021/11/ken-starks-hangs-up-his-spurs-at-reglue/

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-TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-fossforce.com | Ken Starks Hangs Up His Spurs at Reglue - FOSS Force

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"Fediverse encourages status games by enabling such moves."

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gemini.circumlunar.space/users/shufei/phlog/20221217-Misc-Tech-AisAndMen.gmi

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Quite a rambling post though

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Dec 19 11:06

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This site will be redone any week now: https://switchedtolinux.com/

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and will be, at least initially, soliciting articles. A general-audience

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introductory primer to software patent and the current political state

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might have a lot of impact there in reaching many people who might not

-TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-switchedtolinux.com | Switched To Linux | Why I switched to Linux OS

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necessarily find their way to TR

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I never spoke to him before, but he gets many links from both TM and TR

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our articles are CC or similar

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so he can 'lift' any of them with attribution

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maybe you want to reach out to him?

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The foregone conclusion is, if you don't have your own site and/or domain name,

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somebody else bosses you

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temps jumped about 15 degrees in just 24 hours

Dec 19 11:32

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need to do some repair tomorrow, not huge a job

Dec 19 11:32

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but productivity will increase

Dec 19 11:32

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It'd be more a matter of writing such an article and seeing abouut possibly

Dec 19 12:01

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cross-posting

Dec 19 12:01

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yes, somebody wants to do that with TR soon

Dec 19 12:02

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the www is changing

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1980s: write books, get them into libraries/unis

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later: write web pages

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now: social media crap

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but that too is ending

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at each step the quality goes down

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as the access barrier is lower

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which means crap like disinfo geats through by the truckloads

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Dec 19 12:14

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One of the main purposes of social control media has been the dissemination of

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disinformation and confusion., unfortunately, and it has been that way from its

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first begining. Surveillance is just a distraction and only a prerequisite for

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the disinformation.

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are you sure that is not just a side effect?

Dec 19 12:26

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and centralisation the main objective?

Dec 19 12:26

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Maybe at the very, very beginning it was not so, but the ability to maniuplate

Dec 19 12:58

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opinions at scale became very noticable. Either way, it's about control and

Dec 19 12:58

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centralization is a primary method for achieving that.

Dec 19 12:58

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Moving on from Twitter ☛ https://www.gamingonlinux.com/2022/12/moving-on-from-twitter/ "Mastodon links are still completely blocked though. For now, I will still be pointing you to follow us in other places."

Dec 19 12:59

-TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-Moving on from Twitter | GamingOnLinux

Dec 19 12:59

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TR was a little ahead of the curve ;-)

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never started

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myself - I left in February-ish

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my "write-only" account

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before there was a rush to the door ;-)

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Dec 19 13:06

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Good timing for that.

Dec 19 13:06

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we wrote many things about why people should quit twitter

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even before musk placed a big

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not just after

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so those aged well

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/s/big/bid/

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Software patents are threat to general software usage, but the FOSS community

Dec 19 13:13

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is the canary in the coal mine so to speak since many are more aware of

Dec 19 13:13

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licensing than joe sixpack or his tiktok-numbed kids.

Dec 19 13:13

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posting text from your text editor into someone else's server/computer = clown computing

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there are ways to keep the local copies, just in case

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imho, there are better ways

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wikis might be ok is there is a circle of reputable people

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without an incentive to sabotage and mislead

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irc is also for a clique of people are are not there for a fight

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daemonfc treats it like a diary spacem unfotunately

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Wikis fall victim to a similar problem as youtube, at least on the technical

Dec 19 13:19

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site of things: for each item there are ever-growing layers of storage needs

Dec 19 13:19

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since all the diffs are retained.

Dec 19 13:19

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wiki cahnges can be easily compressible

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one lessons learned last year from freenode and again this year from twitter

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banning people is just the start

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it might feel good at first

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having no blog posts reduces the change of heckling

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or astroturfting by "elizabeth from microsoft"

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sorry, I mean, having no blog comments

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ack

Dec 19 13:36

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sorry to be going on a tangent (sometimes I want to also type thing but worry it would exceed the

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buffer that you can see, but then it's likely nothing urgent or important)

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when it comes to time management, you could classify social control media as "big phat waste of time"

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but it's hard to see at the time

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it's like game addition

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you feel a sense of temporary accomplishment

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but only in hindsight, in retrospect, you realise some games you played in teh 90s were meaningless

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and the grade you got in subjectx x y and z in first, second, even 6th grade don't matter even 0.001%

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to your adult life

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so when it comes to comments, it's somewhere there near social control medioa

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ack

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because comments you types in digg 15 years ago are gone for good

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nobody ever will go to wayback machine to find them

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and some blog comments in old blogs are likely only on some old hard drive of the person who took it offline

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(if at all)

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same for identi.ca

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all gone

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so then you start to value libraries and books

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but they too are going away, kaka "digitised"

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i.e. reduce to some electric charge on some low-grade, cheaply-made semi conductors/magnets

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now they last even shorter times... not magnetic tapes

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optical (CD-ROM) isn't so bad in comparison, with CRC built in

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CD-RW and CD+RW can last some years but only in good storage conditions.

Dec 19 13:53

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Light, heat, and air pollution all shorten the life span significantly.

Dec 19 13:53

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I have never tested that systematically

Dec 19 13:54

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i have a very different approach

Dec 19 13:57

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every 10 or so years whole directories of stuff can be "archived" away into multiple drives

Dec 19 14:01

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i still have it in my todo to check some old mp3 file that I suspect went bad on only one of the drives

Dec 19 14:02

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Only if the drives themselves do not flip any bits and that gets *much* harder

Dec 19 14:14

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to avoid with the high densities we have on the market nowadays.

Dec 19 14:14

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Maybe BtrFS has that capability too, not just OpenZFS, but I got the idea

Dec 19 14:26

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somehow that BtrFS is not quite production ready and safe enough for

Dec 19 14:26

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preservation.

Dec 19 14:26

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largew and complex file systems might not enjoy adoption

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by users

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and by developers

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so 10 or 20 years down the line support might drop

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like with reiserfs after about 15 years

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The OpenZFS is quite well though of but an employee at Sun made a point of

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putting it under a license which she chose for the sole purpose of being

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incompatible with the GPL. It has gotten wide spread adoption by the FreeBSD

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crowd simply because they choose to ignore licenses and pretend they don't exist

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just like Canonical does when it decided to work with OpenZFS. Most if not

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all of it has gone under at least one full refactoring so it could have been

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re-licensed ship-of-theseus-style. But the developers, as amazingly technically

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proficient as they are, just roll over and accept a dreadful license. Then

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the distros and systems using OpenZFS simply, in turn, also turn a blind eye to

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the licensing and the blockage it creates.

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in SN, the number of people who contribute seems to be decreasing

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reversing this trend can be very difficult

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judging by other site

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then the wind is not in the sails

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and key people might "move on"

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in lxer, they also shot their own foot with microsoft "content"

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phoronix may be next

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almost all comments oppose this

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and systemd

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michael shoudl take a clue

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microsoft trolls are not legit POVs

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they are like black people who complain about words that I never saw anyone black complaining about

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(i'm sure some exist, maybe a fringe)

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likely corporations tryigng to rile people up and cause strife

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russia trolls in twitter did in fact do this

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they take divisive issues and then amplify the most extreme POVs

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for infighting

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Astroturfers and paid shills can do a lot of damage simply because they are

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not on the radar for too many people. In some forums, they make up 90% of the

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comments, when the comments are sourced. :(

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Yes, that is a play right out of the playbook: amplify division and extreme

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view. It happens in all forums that I have seen, and seems to be the main

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activity of social control media because rage feeds 'engagement' and thus

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the shills end up getting full backing by the algorithm designers/tuners.

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it is grossing out people

Dec 19 14:44

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until some choose not to come back anymore

Dec 19 14:44

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Yes, grossingthem out is the goal.

Dec 19 14:45

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"Back in 1981, when Ronald Reagan was sworn in and implicitly promised to destroy our government" ☛ https://www.commondreams.org/views/2022/12/18/dying-phase-reaganism-and-its-hideous | Source: Common Dreams

Dec 19 14:55

-TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-www.commondreams.org | Opinion | This Is the Dying Phase of Reaganism—and It's Hideous | Thom Hartmann

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ack

https://showmethefacts.com/us-federal-debt-as-a-percentage-of-gdp-2012/

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Grover Nordquist even had other politicians sign their names to a list

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backing sedition and openly stating the goal of tearing the country down.

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It went unprosecuted.

-TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-showmethefacts.com | US Federal Debt as a Percentage of GDP 2012