IRC: #boycottnovell @ Techrights IRC Network: Monday, December 20, 2021

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> I have left a message under you tweet.

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> upload services.

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> Best regards,

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> Max

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Hi,

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Would you provide PINing free of charge? My main limitation is lack of b/w, as I ran IPFS over copper from home.

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re "mute is long overdue" http://techrights.org/irc-archives/irc-log-techrights-181221.html#tDec%2018%2011:08:23 I don't see these in my normal monitoring, it's already muted in some sense

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-TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-techrights.org | IRC: #techrights @ Techrights IRC Network: Saturday, December 18, 2021

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most visitors see it afaik

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the main problem is the OT thing in tech channel

Dec 20 07:49

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yes, that is what I mean specifically.

Dec 20 07:50

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I am planning to do multiple parts about the car thing, he had some on-topic input yesterday, but I need time to process which points are worth making and how. the consultation isn't urgent (deadline).

Dec 20 07:56

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Only mute is needed in the main (tech) channel, to reduce the trolling to

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a more reasonable level

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The post in Gemini is near the top, only exceeded by the feed and, for some

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reason, a post about DDG.

https://www.gov.uk/government/consultations/future-of-transport-regulatory-review-modernising-vehicle-standards/future-of-transport-regulatory-review-modernising-vehicle-standards

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the ddg posts are accessed a lot through social control media

Dec 20 07:59

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'The consultation period began on 28 September 2021 and will run until 11:45pm on 22 November 2021. Ensure that your response reaches us before the closing date."

Dec 20 08:01

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-TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-www.gov.uk | Future of transport regulatory review: modernising vehicle standards - GOV.UK

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Oh. That was missed.

Dec 20 08:02

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in any event, that subject is important and next weekend I have lots of time spare to prepare posts

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https://ec.europa.eu/info/law/better-regulation/have-your-say/initiatives/12979-Civil-liability-adapting-liability-rules-to-the-digital-age-and-artificial-intelligence/public-consultation_en

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for those outside the UK

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-TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-ec.europa.eu | Have your say

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do you want to send a gift or card to kaniini instead of money? We've just sent money

Dec 20 08:28

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The money would arrive in time for XMas. Can I route it through you?

Dec 20 08:29

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yes, let's do this in ~10 days

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ack

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it would also be listed separately as coming from you

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I've just logged in to my bank account for first time since May. I remember checking almost every day about 20 years ago.

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Either way is fine.

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of note: when you pay a lot with cash checking that you're not being cheated on your finances is a lot simpler, hence I rarely log in

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I almost always get wrong change around here when paying cash

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A few times they've gotten more experienced workers to help them count it out,

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too.

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only takes a few moments to count

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If one knows how ...

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even basic arithmatic evades that generation in most cases.

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gemini://gmid.omarpolo.com can do separate file system location-based

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configurations, including associating MIME types with file names.

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i see it in the mailing list archives now

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maybe switch from Agate?

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it sort of works, and some stuff is custom-made to work with it, so unless it breaks badly better to carry on for now?

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It needs updating, too.

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I think it's better to make the car thing a whole series, and step through one issue at a time

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router maintenance; offline about 30 minutes

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back

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https://lists.torproject.org/pipermail/tor-talk/2021-December/045789.html

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The setting up of a R115a is something I have been expecting for a long time.

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OP by video still do not have any legal basis in the EPC and in its implementing Regulations.

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It would however make it pretty obvious that the EPC is trodden on, so it is better to clad in decisions of the president or in the RPBA. And what has started in G3/19

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In G 1/21 the president’s representatives have however made abundantly clear that the EPC can be amended by secondary law! This has started with G 2/19 and especially with G 3/19 with the direct complicity complicity of the EBA

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The problem with OP by ViCo is that in their present embodiment allow the deciding panel, be it in first instance or in appeal, not to sit together.

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It is difficult to claim that the EPC being silent about this case it allows it. But the management supported by the AC decides what it wants, as long as it can promise savings to the AC, the latter will gobble anything presented by the president.

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What is not normal at all, is that the conference of ministers in charge of patents in the contracting states, as foreseen in Art 4a, has never been convened. That the two presidents since its adoption do not like it is irrelevant. They are appointed to apply the EPC not to disregard or worse maim it!

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This is however what has happened since 2010

From: http://patentblog.kluweriplaw.com/2021/12/14/epos-boards-of-appeal-to-move-back-to-munich/

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-TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-patentblog.kluweriplaw.com | EPO's Boards of Appeal to Move Back to Munich - Kluwer Patent Blog

http://patentblog.kluweriplaw.com/2021/12/14/epos-boards-of-appeal-to-move-back-to-munich/

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If a director wants to influence the behaviour of an ED (or even an OP) he has two ways.

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He can “advise”, not to say order the ED to decide in a certain way, i.e. he acts as a kind of “4th member”. This is indeed perfectly illegal.

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The more subtle way, but legal, is to put himself in the ED. When you know that nowadays examiners only receive 5 years contracts, it is very easy for a director to obtain the result he wants when he is chairing the ED.

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For examiners with a life contract, the bonus distribution or the marking could suffer.

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As marking is a discretionary power, unless it is flagrantly incorrect, neither the internal appeal committee nor the ILO-AT in Geneva will bat an eyelid.

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One way to bring such aspects to light would be to publish in the register the various compositions in time of the ED (or the OD). After all it is the case in the BA, why should it not be the case in first instance.

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Another way to bring such aspects to light would be to publish the reasons for the internal decision of the ED, i.e. the “Votum”, that means the presently non-public part of Form 2035.

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After all the reasons for refusal are public, why should not the reasons for grant be public?

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I know applicant’s fear that it could influence what is happening in other jurisdictions, like in the US, but this is not a reason not to be honest.

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I am pretty sure, should the votum become public, that we would come across nice surprises, but it would force ED to really reflect on what is proposed by the first examiner.

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When you see a search report full of X documents and after none or purely cosmetic amendments or a mere statement of the applicant, it ends up by a direct grant, one wonders what happened. It is manifest that something went wrong during the search.

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The same applies when claims are limited by features from the description and the next step is grant. Was the search complete? Often reasonable doubts are justified.

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No wonder that in lots of cases the opponent brings then the relevant prior art and the patent is either revoked or maintained in amended form. This results in an absolute waste of money and resources

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Nowadays the two other members merely sign what has been proposed by the 1st examiner. In the past they could briefly meet or the chairman would go down the corridor to see the 1st member, but with teleworking becoming the norm, it is much too complicated.

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When looking at certain SPV it is manifest that the ED did not work properly.

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The conclusion is clear: there is no legal loophole to be closed when the director acts intelligently!

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https://lists.torproject.org/pipermail/tor-talk/2021-December/045789.html

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ack

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s/not just a computer onboard but several/not just a computer onboard but many/

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can you research for me example of numbers and spacs?

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I want to make it a URL

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I am clueless about today's cars

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Unfortunately so am I...

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Most car fanatics I know consider the car a single system and ignore the many

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microcontrollers. I have the feeling that on top of that most of the information

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is proprietary

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the media does not inform people about it

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I only realise how big an issue it was when supply chain woes caused price spikes and chshortages

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I will do a video about this shortly and can focus on authoritative page about the number of processors

Dec 20 13:27

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I know about the "micro" ones, which are at the ends, but not sure how they qualify wrt to "computer"

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there are manmy microcontrollers, I guess based on activities, and at least

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two full computers

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surely someone rote about those specs already, maybe wikipedia has a subsection?

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very old: https://www.openssh.com/agent-restrict.html

^http://www.autosec.org/pubs/cars-oakland2010.pdf

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another site, with a comment going to a dead MIT link, suggests 50 to 70

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"Electronic Control Units" in cars as of ten years ago.

https://spectrum.ieee.org/this-car-runs-on-code

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-TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-www.openssh.com | SSH agent restriction

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That's even older

-TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-spectrum.ieee.org | This Car Runs on Code - IEEE Spectrum

https://ceinetwork.com/cei-blog/auto-computers-means-complicated-costly-longer-repairs/

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-TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-ceinetwork.com | More Auto Computers Means More Complicated, Costly and Longer Repairs | CEI Network

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these parts are controlled by computers:

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Engine control, Exhaust control, Heating/cooling, Fuel pump, Water pump, Transmission, Power steering, Brakes, T

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raction control, Airbags, Collison warning, Parking assist, Backup monitoring, Door and trunk locks, Power windo

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ws, Climate control, Power seats, Wipers, Charging system, Interior lighting, Brake lights, turn signals, Headla

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mps/daytime running lamps, Navigation, Car audio, and GPS

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wow. we really ought to do a whole part about this

https://www.tomsguide.com/us/car-can-bus-hack,news-25674.html

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these are all proprietary, but now they get connected to the Internet and more

Dec 20 13:37

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some are connected less directly to the Net, e.g. their local (car) mother ship, which is in turn controlled by a bigger mother ship (vendor/government/cracker)

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It's largely ignored because, as mentioned, car fans see the vehicle as a

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physical object still when in reality most of it is software.

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Yes, all proprietary and restricted so as to lock out independent repair shops.

-TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-www.tomsguide.com | How a Hacker Could Hijack Your Car While You Drive | Tom's Guide

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and mechanics.

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There was a lot of attention to this about 10 years ago in the various security

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conferences. Then a burst of information as some of the embargoes were lifted.

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I presume the quietness on that front means that more of the researchers are

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under NDAs again.

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add side- and rear-view mirrors to that long list above.

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[17:22] <schestowitz-TR2> with plate readers everywhere you now get better privacy as a passenger in a taxi than as driver of 'your' car

Dec 20 13:44

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I reckon RMS will say taxi is OK for the same reason he says ATM is OK

Dec 20 13:44

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it's somebody else's proprietary system, not your own

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Shmoocon, DefCon, and BlackHat usually have automative tracks.

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That's unfortunately a cop out. It ignores the problem, allowing it to worsen

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and become both more entrenched and far more dangerous, instead of addressing

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it head on or otherwise. General purpose computing is niche nowadays, and

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that niche has been shringing. The multinationals also appear to be aiming

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to eliminate it eventually. UEFI, TPM, DRM etc

https://ceinetwork.com/cei-blog/auto-computers-means-complicated-costly-longer-repairs/

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-TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-ceinetwork.com | More Auto Computers Means More Complicated, Costly and Longer Repairs | CEI Network

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almost nobody covers these issues, so it's a vacuum we can fill in the coming weeks/months

https://eu.freep.com/story/money/cars/2021/06/15/car-chip-shortage-2021/7688773002/

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https://www.nytimes.com/2021/04/23/business/auto-semiconductors-general-motors-mercedes.html

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https://spectrum.ieee.org/software-eating-car

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yes. security has to be part of the design process, but it hasn't been

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thus we end up with not just CAN but with /everything/ integrated with it

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Check the IEEE article above first... "7,000 external signals", "120 ECUs"

-TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-www.freep.com | Car chip shortage 2021: Everything you need to know

-TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-www.nytimes.com | A Computer Chip Shortage Has Hobbled the Auto Industry - The New York Times

-TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-spectrum.ieee.org | How Software Is Eating the Car - IEEE Spectrum

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I don't know what an ECU is, at least the acronym. will do some reading for a later part

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bbl, going to record some stuff now to avoid falling behind, causing avoidable near-burnout

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Mentioned above somewhere: Electronic Control Unit (as euphamism for computer)

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s/euphamism/euphemism/

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Dear SUEPO Members, dear colleagues,

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As we approach the holidays, we would like to wish you and your partners and families all a very Merry Christmas and a Happy New Year.

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Use the time to rest and to gather strength so that we can face the challenges of 2022 TOGETHER, UNIFIED AND STRONG.

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Joyeux Noël und einen guten Rutsch ins 2022!

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SUEPO Munich

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Dear SUEPO Members, dear colleagues,

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We would like to wish you and your loved ones a healthy and restful holiday break.

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In 2021, SUEPO The Hague and our SUEPO elected Staff Representatives have been involved in several important matters. For example, the legal procedures relating to the SAP and the Education Reform; various working groups like New Normal, Salary Savings Plan, Diversity & Inclusion, Occupational Health Service reform, Appeals Committee reform, Job group 5-6 and Staff Rep resources; workshops on Education Reform and Mental Health; follow up on the

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Health crisis management related with the pandemic situation.

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In view of all of this, it was a busy year - and we thank our members and staff at large for their continued support. Together we have been able to make a difference in the way that the administration deals with us. A recent example were the judgments at the ILOAT regarding the Strike regulations. Thanks to the legal effort of our members we were able to reverse the unlawful regulations from the previous administration. It took eight years to

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obtain this decision - but it is there, and it is thanks to your continued support. This result gives us all encouragement and shows the way forward.

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We thank the many new members that have been joining SUEPO The Hague in 2021, continuing the trend from 2020. Looking into 2022 we hope to bring further members to our union, in particular the colleagues that have joined the EPO in the last 10 years. The future of our union is theirs.

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We look into 2022 with a new and reinforced Committee: several new members have joined, and are ready to help to improve our union and deal with the challenges ahead. We also look back and acknowledge the contribution of the members that left the committee. We thank them for all their hard work and commitment.

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Finally, we want to thank you once more and in saying goodbye to 2021 we reiterate our wishes for a healthy and hopeful 2022 - and we look forward to another new year as the main social partner of the administration.

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Your SUEPO Committee

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> *Do you think this posting crosses the line of propriety or taking into

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> account that in the past I have posted some lightly salacious stuff, is

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> it O.K.? *

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> *http://tobkes.othellomaster.com/archives/2011/12/31/may-vary_/

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-TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-tobkes.othellomaster.com | Harvey Tobkes » Blog Archive » FOUR THINGS REAL MEN LIKE ~ (The order of preference may vary)

> <http://tobkes.othellomaster.com/archives/2011/12/31/may-vary_/>*

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-TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell- ( status 404 @ http://tobkes.othellomaster.com/archives/2011/12/31/may-vary_/>* )

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> *Yes or no?*

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> *Not to worry, it is hidden because I pre-dated it to Dec. 31st, 2011*

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The main issue is that Google may send a warning about the ads being tied to such images, but Google pays not even a dollar a year for ads, so I don't mind...

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Go for it.

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> *Do you think this posting crosses the line of propriety?*

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> *http://tobkes.othellomaster.com/archives/2011/12/31/may-vary_/*

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-TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell- ( status 404 @ http://tobkes.othellomaster.com/archives/2011/12/31/may-vary_/* )

> <http://tobkes.othellomaster.com/archives/2011/12/31/may-vary_/>

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> *I have it hidden by pre-dating it to Dec. 31st, 2011*

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Seems OK to me. Google has no issue with man nipples, only women's nipples.