IRC: #boycottnovell @ Techrights IRC Network: Sunday, August 21, 2022

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<h5><a href="https://www.pine64.org/2022/08/18/a-response-to-martijns-blog/">A response to Martijn’s blog</a></h5>

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-TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-www.pine64.org | A response to Martijn’s blog | PINE64

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<p>To sum up this response post; Martijn has his reasons for leaving and we should all respect those. We are also thankful for all the work he, and the entire postmarketOS has, poured into the Linux smartphone space and the PinePhone in particular. That said, we don’t want to leave the claim that we do not listen to our development community unanswered – because it is unfair and demonstrably

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false. We are not mindless marionettes unable to make up our own minds about what course to pursue either. As a project, PINE64 is not afraid of taking responsibility or admitting to a fault, and surely there are many mistakes that the management of the project has made in the past, but blind favoritism or unwillingness to listen to our community are not on the list.</p>

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I made 4 videos at the end

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I think this workflow is more efficient

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prepare topics, then record several in a row, then process in parallel

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I'll try to stick to that

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yesterday in IRC (also Daily Links, but no Ed comment) I took note of a BS article sufggesting clown in place of SSH, which is noted alongside SCP

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at the start, though SCP is deprecated

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days ago in gemini and www I saw some articles about neat SSH tricks

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SSH is small and simple

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that's not a bad thing

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it's like saying a cipher is bad because only one developer made it

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it's just math

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ssh is also like that

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simple and works

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more layers of oibfuscation means more risk, and making auiting a lot harder

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you could do disk encryption or comms encryption with one line of code, depending on lang

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it's like JPEG compression or zip, the underlying principles are redicible to a function

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or a set of them

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the risk seems to be the side effect of the goal : decommodification through

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gratuitous complexitty and proprietary interfaces

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like citrix

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my sister just told me on the phone how she cannot figure out how to fix some bugs

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because of the complexity of some of the SDL code

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c++

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she was recently promoted

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I also have a cousin who works at citrix and she got swpats, as the company demands those

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I didn't read them, but you can imagine they're all BS

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yep

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I think the mentality is facilitated by the media conflating attacks with

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breaches. They can then point to the logs and say, "lookit all those attacks",

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use our Proprietary Lock-in and avoid all that.

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the media goes further and attributes some items in the logs to nations... "nation attacks..."

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n korea, iran, china, russia

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while cherry-picking for political goals

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I very much doubt iran has a potent cybercrime unit

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too budy kneeling on carpets and stuff...

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likely so, any SW patents at this point are BS and even most of the existing

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ones are neither unique nor innovative.

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ack

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this morning when rianne was walking around here I told her tuxmachines was evolving to do a lot more than html

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and she understands all that because she sees the stages after posting new nodes (incidentally, my sister checks out the new site)

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rianne also hates the looks of new zdnet, but I think the new focus is on infinite scroll to fake "enagagement"

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it says sjvn has a phd in history

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like spamnil, he comes from non-tech background

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but anyway, i don't know how mqtt can latch onto things so as to make notifications more useful

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hence I did some search around gnome and kde the other day

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the protocol for messages passing seems to be mostly a bot for other bots

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yes it looks like ZDNet is going for the mobilephone infinite scroll crap

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some custom python scripts are possible if the blocking of self-signed

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certificates can be circumvented. prior to that blocking, it was dead simple

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to script various monitors, triggers, or postings

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the protocol sends a message of n bytes to authorized, subscribed clients

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infinite scoll: force-feeding to people articles they did NOT ask for in order to claim more "views" (of things that appear outside view)

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the new cargo cult of "hit"-obsessed people

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they could just stuff 100 images in one page and then claim huge increase in "hits"

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not quite the right application of the epithet "cargo cult" but otherwise

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spot on

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people spend 15 minutes and 50 clicks doing what used to take 2 minutes and 3 or 4 clicks, yet the a-holes now assert that the former is an improvement because

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of increased "engagement"

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to borrow an analogy or use case, to read an 'article' you now scroll through 20 "tweets" and "give impression" to 100 comments (crap) along the way

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good for measurable "enegagement"

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but instead you could read a 10-paragraph article in newswaffle with an image on top

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also, the accuracy of such an article is likely to be high

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i did a video on the new service around newswaffle yesterday, just hours after the announcement

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btw, I am getting code at unicode because I recognise how helpful it is at dodging images

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if your system already has all the glyphs, then just invoke these

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to render at the client side

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32-bit (as in literally 32 zeros and ones) should be enough

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and keep the server easier to figure out

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new tuxmachines is usually just one page, one image at most

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if you check TR git (git show ..) you can see further changes made to the tuxmachines IRC stuff

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google.com seems to have already indexed and is now listing about a third of new TM

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OK, same for images

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it has like 70 images from the site in Google Images

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that's a pretty fast adoption

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for a new subdomain

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checking

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a lot of that is a residue of older things, from the social control media era... before it ended

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let me find you something from last night

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[06:30] <techrights-news> "...be careful not to fall into a trap of mistaking social media engagement from the actual community-seeking that you need." gemini://degrowther.smol.pub/20220820_social_media

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i see more and more people who say things like that -- not something I'd see years ago

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there is growing recognition of several persistent and also newer issues

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persistent and also newer issues

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can you examine the git commit just made

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and maybe push to live for quick testing?

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i think it has fuctional advantage

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and pses no issues to older browsers

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checking

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a problem is that the ::after part, as it stands, will afflict also the "Read On

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links

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another is that it duplicates a little of CamelCase.pm

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but the idea of improved attribution is important

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i didn't regard this to be a problem, but maybe you dislike it

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the idea is predictability and attribution by source name

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yes, I was well aware of camelcase, also in sight of you pushing a commit an hour or less ago

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it would be advanatageous to minimize needing to maintain parallel data sets

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though CamelCase.pm is in a different repository :/

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one option is to write a scanner/parse fuction to produce a subset of camelcase

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maybe there is also a way to factorise, with css class, some of the style

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obv. we should avoid jquery/js

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with them, it's possible to extract domain of url

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but the domain does not always say much

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camelcase has two portions of interest in each like

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a simple sed can yield a css thing

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but thousands of lines there are not relevant to TM

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hence I chose some commonly linked sites and sropped there

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did not even properly indent the thing, just wanted to test the impact

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I agree, no js,

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There are over 3800 hosts / domains listed in CamelCase.pm atm

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even a subset would make the CSS file monsterously large, all for just one rule

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extra per post. So I would think that something in the script would work..

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The "Read On" link is easy to identify and thus modify from within the

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tm-add- script

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that would then extend to gemini and other (future) protocols

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as in, check tld, compare to camelcase, if match found, append

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yes, I think that would be feasible to use in Gemini too

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For the XHTML documents, would adding a title attribute to the ReadOn link

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be good? That will be visible on mouseover. Or should there be something

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in the main text?

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good point, if you already do O(n) pass on each URL (of this class, or many any class in a list of links too)

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then you could append title="" as well

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from a usability POV, hovering should not repeat the anchoir text

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and if the domain is appended

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and status bar typically (by default) shows target url

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when what's left for title to say?

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right

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The name of the site in plain language would be possible, with the

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lookup module.

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so you want title to contain site name

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(of note: sometimes in sections like Security and such we have URLs to more political sites, like those in camelcase)

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Yes, so this one,

http://news.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/08/21/What_Is_a_Login_Shell_in_Linux.shtml

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would have title="Make Use Of" in the "Read On" link

-TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-news.tuxmachines.org | Tux Machines — What Is a Login Shell in Linux?

https://jsfiddle.net/z42r2vv0/2/

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-TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-jsfiddle.net | Edit fiddle - JSFiddle - Code Playground

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maybe "Read the original in [site name]"?

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that sounds good and can be added, but now the question keeping

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the module up to date arises

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It'd be nice to have it part of the work flow but not sure how to do it

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1) easily, 2) reliably, 3) safely

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maybe "Read the original in [site name]"?

https://jsfiddle.net/z42r2vv0/2/

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I'm working on CSS to make title display on hover

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just pushed cutom title

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it takes the title and presents it on hover, to the right hand side

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with OK contrast, I hope

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it's not in the CSS but the XHTML itself,

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the :hover is redundant since the browsers show the title in a small box near

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the mouse cursor on hover anyway

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right, it can just be there all the time

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I think only the "previous" and "next" text contain title at the moment

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earlier in the kitchen I realised I had missed an opportunity to use camlcase to convert domains into site names in the url.sh script

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I've just added that

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it'll improve irc, showing.e.g. "uni Toronto" instead of utcc

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the change required was about 2 lines long, testing now, will push shortly

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there are about 1600 unique host names from the links in tm-new's document root

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checking and adding to CamelCase.pm if needed, but a proper workflow will be

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needed for daily updates

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a lot if not all links in TM get across to Techrights eventually

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so if they're covered in TR, then TM also

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it turns out there is not much overlap just over 1000 new hosts from TM

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<techrights-news> "The number of people affected by hunger globally rose to as many as 828 million in 2021, an increase of about 46 million since 2020 and 150 million since the outbreak of the COVID-19 pandemic (1), according to a United Nations report" https://www.who.int/news/item/06-07-2022-un-report--global-hunger-numbers-rose-to-as-many-as-828-million-in-2021

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-TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-www.who.int | UN Report: Global hunger numbers rose to as many as 828 million in 2021

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exceeding the carrying capacity even more ...

https://www.overshootday.org/

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-TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-www.overshootday.org | Earth Overshoot Day 2022 home - #MoveTheDate

https://www.footprintnetwork.org/our-work/earth-overshoot-day/

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-TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-www.footprintnetwork.org | Earth Overshoot Day - Global Footprint Network

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#thoughtsAndPrayers

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+ 1000 likes +10 shares

https://www.france24.com/en/environment/20220728-earth-overshoot-day-comes-earlier-every-year

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hunger solved

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-TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-www.france24.com | ‘Earth Overshoot Day’ comes earlier every year

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in nature, overpopulation gets balanced by predators

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with humans, the predator is other humans

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i.e. war

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(or starvation due to too much competition over edible resources)

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past a certain point, even war cannot rebalance nutritional quotient

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that's where culling gets done

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to help some survive

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culling can be done within a tribe

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not universal

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yes and there is a predator-prey boom-crash cycle; humans have it too except

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that they are their own worst enemy; this time there is 1) only a single global

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civilization 2) we've pulled up the ladder

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so when this one crashes, there will be no return

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anyway, looking at the matter of title="" there in TM, there seems to be no

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practical way to accomplish it; technically it is possible but it would

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be problematic all the way around to keep such a list up to date

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even if it were integrated into the suite of scripts

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thanks for at least looking into it

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I can implement this at my end

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using url.sh

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it won't always add a title, just sometimes

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is that OK with you?

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also, can you integrate the latest commit?

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sounds fine

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checking the commit

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the new CSS file is in place now

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can you please deploy again to the site?

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I think I left out a crucial bit

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just testing before I spend time implementing the title thing at the data entry level

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one of us, maybe me, "locked" ytalk, I guess

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ctrl+s/q helps me resume it, I think

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can you deploy the latest push, minute old?

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that should do the trick, then I'll do url.sh

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you can see the latest page in the site for example of what the button looks like

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the GPD Micro PC

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probably

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url.sh looks at cmelcase for most probable match, adds that as title=""

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the css then does the rest

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rianne and marius do not have camelcases on their PCs, so for now I can send her a copy

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if it is done it is more efficient to do centrally rather than on individual

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machines

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yes, but then the addition of title="" would have to be done by tm-extract...

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that would be the most efficient

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that would be the most efficient

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su -c 'cd /var/www/tuxmachines.org/; git pull origin master' -s /bin/sh git

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I will fix the ugly shadow around images now

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experimenting in LibreWolf on the dry

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this image style (css) must hgave been around for 8 years

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I will add hover effect, too

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excellent, thanks for this tip

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you can see the new image layout in the GPD page

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I will now changew my html layout to just use proper css

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not the lazy hack we have used since 2014

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in your Git clone,

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cp .git/hooks/pre-commit.sample .git/hooks/pre-commit

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please set up checking for trailing whitespace etc

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done

http://news.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/08/21/Videos_Shows_This_Week_in_Linux_DistroTube_and_GNU_World_Order.shtml

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-TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-news.tuxmachines.org | Tux Machines — Videos/Shows: This Week in Linux, DistroTube, and GNU World Order

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the image layout thing works better now, more tidy and organised, less harsh on the eye

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I assume you want to do the camelcase thing for readOn button inside tm-extract?

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that would be the place to do it, but the question is how to do the upkeep

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funny story: I 'borrowed' the code from the css of the old site

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I had put it there around 2014

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it had two rules, for muktware and themukt

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back then spamnil was already starting to change between domains (5 in total so far), thinking the issue was the domain and not the material getting worse

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ack

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tfir is the fiffth domain for the same site

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fifth culumnist si what he became

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the list of domains no longer changes a lot, so maybe a local current copy on tm would be the reference

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and can be manually updated about once a year

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if at all

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they seem to teach js instead

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js provides more vendor lock-in

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keeping it simple and sticking strictly to standards allows competition

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netsurf deals very well with the latest changes

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it does nto do "before" and "after" or rounded corners or shadows

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but the visual fllbacks are good

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not that we need to optimise for a browser so few people use

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I notice that in netsurf the bottom "menu" shows up vertically, one item per line

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unlike the top "menu"

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not sure why

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also, in the svg it gets the colour palette wrong

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maybe they should teach kids in college, in html/www classes

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make it work such that it shows ok in this browser, netsurd

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otherwise you get an f

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otherwise they teach them to optimise for bloatware

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and that further contributes to the issue, inc. monoculture

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rianne's first time in eu is 10 years some time in ~3 weeks from now

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there's no place in the world that is truly stable atm

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factors like war, climate, immigration, and poverty

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norway is one hop away from putin

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iirc, norway is in nato

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a friend of mine from oslo was deployed to kosovo

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they seem to teach js instead

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js provides more vendor lock-in

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keeping it simple and sticking strictly to standards allows competition