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| schestowitz | Have you seen https://git.skyjake.fi/skyjake (lagrange dev)? unlike gitlab, gitea is not "open core" and we can use it to publish bits of the git repo (one by one, not sure how the process goes). I think it can help convince more people to self-host. gitea itself still needs to get off GH. | Aug 23 11:47 |
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| schestowitz | Maybe steep learning curve managing it, but kaniini can help, wants to learn it too; apline and others chased by gitlab (the company) for free [sic[ "eneterprise", which they turned down (free trap). | Aug 23 11:47 |
| -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-git.skyjake.fi | Jaakko Keränen - Gitea | Aug 23 11:47 | |
| schestowitz | I think it would be educational and a valuable skill (self-hosting git and webui for it), seeing that git is likely to stay another 10 years... something will then replace it as per the usual cycles. I wanted to ask this earlier, forgot what it was, then it came back to me after 10 minutes thinking. | Aug 23 11:47 |
| schestowitz | Gitea might not be best, but from what I can gather it looks nice and has no traps in it. There are also gogs and others, forks of it IIRC. Gitea has planned for years to leave GH, but it is not happening yet... maybe network effect being a factor. | Aug 23 11:47 |
| schestowitz | It feels too much like github copycat: https://git.skyjake.fi/skyjake/the_Foundation but maybe that can easr people transition away from GH | Aug 23 11:47 |
| -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-git.skyjake.fi | skyjake/the_Foundation: Opinionated C11 library for low-level functionality - the_Foundation - Gitea | Aug 23 11:47 | |
| Techrights-sec | I'm fine with it as long as it is FOSS through and through and has | Aug 23 11:50 |
| Techrights-sec | no connections to M$ or its minions. | Aug 23 11:50 |
| schestowitz | in terms of site focus, i think oliva joins us in advancing solutions to borader issues, e.g. irc self-hosting gemini git dweb copyleft antimonopoly k.i.s.s. etc. those things do matter to many people and ought to matter to more who aren't even recognising the problems yet | Aug 23 11:50 |
| schestowitz | I am trying to think how else to promote gemini without becoming too pushy. one think we can already do it add to daily IRC posts the analogous gemini URLs (like we do IPFS), then do the same in the log files themselves. The bulletins already contain gemini URLs, IPFS cashes, but they are not self-referential. | Aug 23 11:50 |
| Techrights-sec | Setting some kind of publishing hook to trigger a Gemini update at the | Aug 23 11:55 |
| Techrights-sec | same time that a HTTP story is published would help. | Aug 23 11:55 |
| schestowitz-TR | doing that manually is only a few clicks | Aug 23 11:56 |
| Techrights-sec | Yes, but it must be remembered. ;) | Aug 23 11:57 |
| schestowitz-TR | the incentive to do a manual run will grows as more people access TR that way. I have just asked kaniini about gitea. | Aug 23 11:57 |
| Techrights-sec | The update script can even be run from 'at' if delay is needed. | Aug 23 12:00 |
| Techrights-sec | $ du -sh /home/git/tr-git/ | Aug 23 12:00 |
| Techrights-sec | 4.3M /home/git/tr-git/ | Aug 23 12:00 |
| schestowitz | https://wiki.alpinelinux.org/wiki/Alpine_newbie_developer:_gitea | Aug 23 12:01 |
| -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-wiki.alpinelinux.org | Alpine newbie developer: gitea - Alpine Linux | Aug 23 12:01 | |
| schestowitz-TR | It set up as a new container it can be portable and isolated from the site, also have another IP address | Aug 23 12:02 |
| Techrights-sec | $ git count | Aug 23 12:03 |
| Techrights-sec | total 162 | Aug 23 12:03 |
| Techrights-sec | ack | Aug 23 12:09 |
| Techrights-sec | $ git ls-files | wc -l | Aug 23 12:09 |
| Techrights-sec | 63 | Aug 23 12:09 |
| Techrights-sec | How much overhead is there for a fresh, empty container? | Aug 23 12:12 |
| Techrights-sec | ^system overhead | Aug 23 12:12 |
| schestowitz | I am not sure but I do know it would be wise to make a backup of the IRC container, which lacks basic tools like rsync. The server will also travel soon and IP address may change. | Aug 23 12:13 |
| schestowitz | yesterday while recording the video I noticed that img in gemini gets converted into quoted text only in certain scenarios but not others. I think the pattern it scans for might be very unique. | Aug 23 12:26 |
| Techrights-sec | Ok. I can look at the conversion but need a positive example and a negative | Aug 23 13:18 |
| Techrights-sec | example to compare and go through the work flow. | Aug 23 13:18 |
| schestowitz | I think it depends on whether thw image is also a link to itself) | Aug 23 13:19 |
| schestowitz | I have begun making a habit out of running the script after new posts, seeing that today is another ~6000 reqs day and rising over time. Can you figure out the pattern by which gemini equivalents of IRC logs ae creted around 3:30am each morning and maybe add that to the template of IRC posts? | Aug 23 15:41 |
| Techrights-sec | I'll check. | Aug 23 15:56 |
| Techrights-sec | At 6 past every third hour, the script gemini-cron-updater.sh gets run | Aug 23 16:27 |
| Techrights-sec | If the IRC logs have been posted then they get read from the RSS feed | Aug 23 16:27 |
| Techrights-sec | just like any other post. | Aug 23 16:27 |
| Techrights-sec | That seems to work well. What change did you have in mind? | Aug 23 16:27 |
| Techrights-sec | If I add something at this point I then like to take something out, | Aug 23 16:27 |
| Techrights-sec | so that the processes do not get too complex or interdependent. | Aug 23 16:27 |
| schestowitz | I know what you mean. What I had in mind was, the blog posts (WordPress) can point to the gemini version of the text file, e.g. gemini://gemini.techrights.org/tr_text_version/irc-log-techrights-220821.txt (I think it should be as simple as just prepending " gemini://gemini.techrights.org/tr_text_version/" | Aug 23 16:29 |
| Techrights-sec | That is easy to implement. | Aug 23 16:32 |
| schestowitz-TR | would that be worth adding as an option? At the very lease raises awareness. I can also add those as links to the html versions of the logs. | Aug 23 16:33 |
| Techrights-sec | Ok, I've added a gemini link generator, but it is slightly fragile. | Aug 23 16:42 |
| Techrights-sec | It depends on the link always being 'today' and the IRC log always being | Aug 23 16:42 |
| Techrights-sec | 'yesterday'. If a day is missed and the logs have get added a day or | Aug 23 16:42 |
| Techrights-sec | more late, then the Gemini link will have to be hand edited. :/ | Aug 23 16:42 |
| schestowitz-TR | with corona still unsolved problem, I've not slept (overnight) away for 2 years and even if I did, this is cronned, so from my end it ought to work ok | Aug 23 16:43 |
| schestowitz-TR | I did program the scripts to be able to generate several days' worth. usimg an optional loop, but I've not had to do that in years | Aug 23 16:44 |
| Techrights-sec | This part is all dependent on manual intervention to post the IRC logs to | Aug 23 16:48 |
| Techrights-sec | WordPress. If that could be automated, then it would be far more reliable | Aug 23 16:48 |
| Techrights-sec | and robust. However, when I looked around I could not find a simple method. | Aug 23 16:48 |
| Techrights-sec | Suggestions? | Aug 23 16:48 |
| schestowitz-TR | there used to be a way by xmlrpc, but I never looked into it. I'm now incorporating a gemini link into html logs files. | Aug 23 16:48 |
| schestowitz | ䷉ find the plain text version at <a href="irc-log-230821.txt" title="Text version of IRC log">this address</a> (HTTP) or <a href="gemini://gemini.techrights.org/tr_text_version/irc-log-230821.txt" title="Gemini version of IRC log">in Gemini</a>.</p> | Aug 23 16:51 |
| schestowitz | > echo gemini://gemini.techrights.org/tr_text_version/irc-log-230821.txt | sed "s/TEXTVERSIONGEMINI/gemini:\/\/gemini.techrights.org\/tr_text_version\/${IRCDATESLUG}.txt/" | Aug 23 16:58 |
| schestowitz | > done | Aug 23 16:58 |
| schestowitz | Processing Aug 22 | Aug 23 16:58 |
| schestowitz | Full date: Sunday, August 22, 2021 | Aug 23 16:58 |
| schestowitz | Slug: 220821 | Aug 23 16:58 |
| schestowitz | gemini://gemini.techrights.org/tr_text_version/220821.txt | Aug 23 16:58 |
| schestowitz | <a href="irc-log-230821.txt" title="Text version of IRC log">this address</a> (HTTP) or <a href="gemini://gemini.techrights.org/tr_text_version/irc-log-230821.txt" title="Gemini version of IRC log">in Gemini</a> (<a href="http://techrights.org/gemini" title="Techrights on Gemini">how to use Gemini</a>). | Aug 23 17:14 |
| -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-techrights.org | Techrights on Gemini | Techrights | Aug 23 17:14 | |
| schestowitz-TR | just to ensure people come to realise "WTH this thing is about..." | Aug 23 17:14 |
| schestowitz | [site] TechRights is on Gemini | Aug 23 17:17 |
| schestowitz | gemini://gemini.techrights.org/ | Aug 23 17:17 |
| schestowitz | Figure folk here would be interested in sites that are making an | Aug 23 17:17 |
| schestowitz | effort to have a gemini mirror. | Aug 23 17:17 |
| schestowitz | https://lists.orbitalfox.eu/archives/gemini/2021/007030.html | Aug 23 17:17 |
| -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-lists.orbitalfox.eu | [site] TechRights is on Gemini | Aug 23 17:17 | |
| Techrights-sec | Nice recognition. | Aug 23 17:23 |
| schestowitz-TR | we spent a lot of time on this, so we reap the benefits | Aug 23 17:23 |
| Techrights-sec | I hope it invokes more action to prevent software patents around the globe. | Aug 23 17:24 |
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| schestowitz-TR | In my homedir on this pi I've put two binaries for telescope. They're not armv7 so I never expected them to run, but maybe you wish to copy them to your laptops and use these instead of amfora for a bit? | Aug 23 22:58 |
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