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*Topic for #boycottnovell is: TechRights.org | Channel #boycottnovell for http://TechRights.org | Free Software Sentry – watching and reporting maneuvers of those who oppose software freedom :: please also join channels #techrights and #boycottnovell-socialOct 23 03:46
*Topic for #boycottnovell set by schestowitz!~roy@haii6za73zabc.irc at Tue Jun 1 20:22:10 2021Oct 23 03:46
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schestowitz-TR2[04:38] <techrights-news> "Earlier this week, I attended an excellent talk with Frances Haugen, the well-known Facebook whistleblower, who delivered a compelling case that the social media giant, driven by profit maximization, consistently errs on the side of technical choices that keeps users engaged, angry, and on the platform, often at an enormous societal cost." https://www.michaelgeist.ca/2022/10/why-the-real-bill-c-18-threat-is-Oct 23 04:38
schestowitz-TR2bill-c-18/Oct 23 04:38
-TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-www.michaelgeist.ca | Why the Real Bill C-18 Threat is Bill C-18 - Michael GeistOct 23 04:38
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schestowitz-TR2months ago I deleted everything Google, inc. Google News [sic]Oct 23 04:43
schestowitz-TR2I left just two feeds, temporarily, to help me discover RSS feeds I had not yet added Oct 23 04:43
schestowitz-TR2like one that I added this morningOct 23 04:43
schestowitz-TR2now Google Noise increase the RSS spying, reverting back removal of thatOct 23 04:43
schestowitz-TR2so those remaining two TOO will be removed shortlyOct 23 04:43
schestowitz-TR2on another note, some sites LACK RSS feeds completelyOct 23 04:43
schestowitz-TR2even mainstream onesOct 23 04:43
schestowitz-TR2some have just one feed for everything, no specificityOct 23 04:43
schestowitz-TR2so for those I tend to check a certain page every weekOct 23 04:43
schestowitz-TR2overt time those pages update a LOT less frequently -- to the point of being staleOct 23 04:43
schestowitz-TR2some I demoted yesterday to "check every MONTH"Oct 23 04:43
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libertybox_yes, I saw yesterday that Google had replaced the direct links with redirectionsOct 23 05:54
libertybox_and thus rendered their "feed" unusable.  With the redirection in place of a Oct 23 05:54
libertybox_normal link, it is not possible to know where the destination may end up.  Oct 23 05:54
libertybox_That's not good, at best, and nominally dangerous.Oct 23 05:54
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schestowitz-TR2rant: (more in irc)Oct 23 06:08
schestowitz-TR2had router update, managed to find out in advance by checking status every night before bedtimeOct 23 06:08
schestowitz-TR2woke up very early, 2:850amOct 23 06:08
schestowitz-TR2after update wifi signal collission on main boxOct 23 06:08
schestowitz-TR2seems solved now, but very time-consuming to debugOct 23 06:08
schestowitz-TR2hopefully no router updates before 2023Oct 23 06:08
schestowitz-TR2Germany Says Deaths Increased by 9% Last Month, But Thats Measuring This Year Compared to Two Years of PandemicOct 23 06:08
schestowitz-TR2https://schestowitz.com/Weblog/archives/2022/10/23/germany-says-deaths-increased/Oct 23 06:08
-TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-schestowitz.com » Blog Archive » Germany Says Deaths Increased by 9% Last Month, But That’s Measuring This Year Compared to Two Years of PandemicOct 23 06:08
techright-sec[2]If the wifi is in the 2.4GHz band, there is no real way to avoid collisionsOct 23 06:22
techright-sec[2]even after negotiating with the neighbors.  If the wifi is in the 5GHz band, then you pretty much have a full ranOct 23 06:22
techright-sec[2]ge of choices since there is no overlap *and*Oct 23 06:22
techright-sec[2]so few know about it.Oct 23 06:22
schestowitz-TR2I already moved off 2.4 when you suggested itOct 23 06:23
schestowitz-TR2the main issue wasOct 23 06:23
schestowitz-TR2I assumed it was the OTHER machine on the side of barrier needing another channel/wavelengthOct 23 06:23
schestowitz-TR2when I saw that sdynergy too had this issue I thought maybe I'm looking at the "wrong" endOct 23 06:23
techright-sec[2]So what was the actual problem and the resolution?Oct 23 06:24
schestowitz-TR2reconnect, let the network allocate another range to this PCOct 23 06:25
techright-sec[2]Oh, it was a DHCP problem thenOct 23 06:25
techright-sec[2]not a wi-fi problem per seOct 23 06:25
schestowitz-TR2or maybe a neighbour waking up around 5:40amOct 23 06:27
schestowitz-TR22 hours laterOct 23 06:27
schestowitz-TR2causing signal collisionOct 23 06:27
schestowitz-TR2which was not there at firstOct 23 06:27
schestowitz-TR2but who knows...Oct 23 06:27
schestowitz-TR2anyway, it's solved not and latency seems lower than before the router was rebootedOct 23 06:27
techright-sec[2]How was it solved?  I'm not following this at all, there's nothing in IRC eitherOct 23 06:27
schestowitz-TR2acquiring a connection againOct 23 06:31
schestowitz-TR2I don't know wi-fi protocolOct 23 06:31
schestowitz-TR2but I assume that for each connection machine it negotiates some broadcasting range and sets that apartOct 23 06:31
schestowitz-TR2a good enough buffer to avoid having to resend packetsOct 23 06:31
schestowitz-TR2and that's aside from the general channele the router uses, which can have a conflict with a neigbourOct 23 06:31
schestowitz-TR2sometimes they suggest rebooting on auto mode so it can scan for channels that are 'optimal'Oct 23 06:31
techright-sec[2]First there is a radio connection, then IP, then DHCP, then TCP/IPOct 23 06:36
techright-sec[2]NO! Automode makes worse and if someone in the neighborhood has done that, thenOct 23 06:36
techright-sec[2]they are who is messing up the signal for the block.  :(Oct 23 06:36
techright-sec[2]In 2.4GHz the only acceptable choices are 1, 6, or 11.  Choose the one whichOct 23 06:36
techright-sec[2]has the least traffic.  If there are any neighbors on 2-5 or 7-10 they willOct 23 06:36
techright-sec[2]be completely destroying the signal through interference and will have to Oct 23 06:36
techright-sec[2]be spoken with for negotiation since it might be illegal and certainly unethicalOct 23 06:36
techright-sec[2]to spend the trivial amount of time it would take to crack their router andOct 23 06:36
techright-sec[2]set the numbers to something sensible.  Oct 23 06:36
techright-sec[2]On 5GHz,the channes to not overlap.  So just choose the one there with theOct 23 06:36
techright-sec[2]fewest access points or, failing that, least traffic.  Oct 23 06:36
techright-sec[2]tldr; 2.4GHz is nearly pointless in a crowded neigborhood, even not countingOct 23 06:36
techright-sec[2]the other 2.4GHz appliances or military equipmentOct 23 06:36
techright-sec[2]http://techrights.org/irc-archives/irc-log-techrights-221022.html#tOct%2022%2003:01:38Oct 23 06:38
-TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-techrights.org | IRC: #techrights @ Techrights IRC Network: Saturday, October 22, 2022Oct 23 06:38
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techright-sec[2]iwlist wlan0 scanOct 23 06:41
techright-sec[2]will show what's in the area and give an idea about interference, if you wishOct 23 06:41
techright-sec[2]to hunt down and negotiate with the polluters of the airwavesOct 23 06:41
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schestowitz-TR2ok, just reconnected the third machineOct 23 06:46
schestowitz-TR2will need to reboot the cisco phone nextOct 23 06:46
schestowitz-TR2seems there is still adjustment happeningOct 23 06:46
schestowitz-TR2but I hope no such worries for the next 2  monthsOct 23 06:46
schestowitz-TR2I cannot block those updates or delay the rebootOct 23 06:47
schestowitz-TR2maybe if I reboot after the patch I can 'reschedule' itOct 23 06:47
schestowitz-TR2there's no way to find out when the reboots are scheduled forOct 23 06:47
schestowitz-TR2the times varyOct 23 06:47
schestowitz-TR2and I need to update dns asapOct 23 06:47
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schestowitz-TR2CDC: US Births Decreased About 10% in Half a Decade, Infant Mortality Stayed About the Same https://schestowitz.com/Weblog/archives/2022/10/23/infant-mortality-pre-and-post-covid-19/Oct 23 08:06
-TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-schestowitz.com » Blog Archive » CDC: US Births Decreased About 10% in Half a Decade, Infant Mortality Stayed About the SameOct 23 08:06
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schestowitz-TR2in irc we compared life span (or expcted) to germanyOct 23 08:35
schestowitz-TR2us males are about 73 nowOct 23 08:35
schestowitz-TR2germany is about 5 yearsd lonfer for men and womenOct 23 08:35
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techrights-sec[2]https://www.latimes.com/politics/story/2020-08-03/longer-life-expectancy-blue-states-than-red-onesOct 23 08:38
-TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-www.latimes.com | People live longer in blue states than red; new study points to impact of state policies - Los Angeles TimesOct 23 08:38
techrights-sec[2]https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC6221922/ (older)Oct 23 08:39
-TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov | America’s Declining Well-Being, Health, and Life Expectancy: Not Just a White Problem - PMCOct 23 08:39
schestowitz-TR2rianne could find not a single item for TM this morning!Oct 23 08:42
schestowitz-TR2not even "enough" android leftoversOct 23 08:42
schestowitz-TR2I'll wait for daily linksOct 23 08:42
schestowitz-TR2OTA (lagrange case study)Oct 23 08:42
schestowitz-TR2before OTAOct 23 08:42
schestowitz-TR2(better to siolate for 2 years and realise WTF is going on than risk losing 2 whole years of one's life) Oct 23 08:42
schestowitz-TR2OTAOct 23 08:42
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schestowitz-TR2thanks for links!Oct 23 09:14
schestowitz-TR2I'm short on materialOct 23 09:14
schestowitz-TR2added draftOct 23 09:14
techrights-sec[2]npOct 23 09:15
schestowitz-TR2regarding the older subject, pensions are not "good" for capitalismOct 23 09:16
schestowitz-TR2so the "religion" in some country is,Oct 23 09:16
schestowitz-TR2collect money, don't worry about how long you have to actually spend itOct 23 09:16
schestowitz-TR2which is a form of 'brain damage'Oct 23 09:17
schestowitz-TR2spoke to my dad about it yesterdayOct 23 09:17
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schestowitz-TR2check emailOct 23 10:09
schestowitz-TR2am reading alsoOct 23 10:09
schestowitz-TR2and will send feedbackOct 23 10:09
techrights-sec[2]ackOct 23 10:10
techrights-sec[2]checkingOct 23 10:10
techrights-sec[2]not just facebook but other social control media (even if they are mostly ownedOct 23 10:10
techrights-sec[2]by facebook).  For the younger generations, tiktok is causing great destruction.Oct 23 10:10
techrights-sec[2]I'd mention yet again that few institutions have IT departments any longerOct 23 10:10
techrights-sec[2]and have instead m$ resellers on the payroll working against the institution Oct 23 10:10
techrights-sec[2]itself in most cases or merely neutral and working for itself in the best ofOct 23 10:10
techrights-sec[2]cases.Oct 23 10:10
techrights-sec[2]That's Bill's legacy: making bad engineering acceptable and common placeOct 23 10:10
techrights-sec[2]No one gets fired even though "tools grumble and grind, then fail"Oct 23 10:10
techrights-sec[2]Not those that brought in the crappy tools and not those that brought in theOct 23 10:10
techrights-sec[2]untrained monkeys in place of IT peopleOct 23 10:10
techrights-sec[2]Which "they" can move web pages?  At one institution I tracked the time it Oct 23 10:10
techrights-sec[2]took to get one document posted to the official web site and it took well overOct 23 10:10
techrights-sec[2]8 man-hours, for a finished document in its final form, just to get it public.Oct 23 10:10
techrights-sec[2]As for " rats who have forgotten life before the maze " didn't Douglas Adams have something to say about acceptanOct 23 10:10
techrights-sec[2]ce or rejection of situations being relatedOct 23 10:10
techrights-sec[2]to their status relative to one's life?   It was along the lines of stuff thatOct 23 10:10
techrights-sec[2]was in place during youth had "always been there and was part of the natural   Oct 23 10:10
techrights-sec[2]order of things" and stuff that arrived when one was middle aged was consideredOct 23 10:10
techrights-sec[2]problematic and a threat.  That is of course hyperbole but I think the firstOct 23 10:10
techrights-sec[2]part is spot on, for rats that grew up in the maze there is nothing else Oct 23 10:10
techrights-sec[2]imaginable, nope not even imaginable.Oct 23 10:10
techrights-sec[2]One thing that is important to remember, to put the original goals in context,Oct 23 10:10
techrights-sec[2]was the Steve Jobs' sales pitch about the computer being a tool, like a Oct 23 10:10
techrights-sec[2]bicyce for the mind.  There are good transcripts out there worth quoting.  Oct 23 10:10
techrights-sec[2]Computerss have become inverted in purpose.  Instead of being a tool to   Oct 23 10:10
techrights-sec[2]amplify results, they have become a vehicle for manipulation and control of Oct 23 10:10
techrights-sec[2]the ostensible user as well as a time sink for what the late David GraeberOct 23 10:10
techrights-sec[2]identified as "bullshit" jobs.  Indeed, really few areas have seen advancementOct 23 10:10
techrights-sec[2]in recent years.  Embedded systems are one area but that is mostly throughOct 23 10:11
techrights-sec[2]better software to make it easy to program.  Oct 23 10:11
techrights-sec[2]The term "system" ought to be defined near the start to provide context forOct 23 10:11
techrights-sec[2]the rest of the document.  Oct 23 10:11
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schestowitz-TR2thanks, I will send my feeedback and yours nowOct 23 10:13
schestowitz-TR2it's a good essayOct 23 10:13
schestowitz-TR2I want rianne to read it too as I told her the gist and she agreesOct 23 10:13
techrights-sec[2]what's on screen there is about 1/3 so if there was something missed in the sOct 23 10:13
techrights-sec[2]crollback it's goneOct 23 10:13
schestowitz-TR2I see about 40 lines of schollback from youOct 23 10:14
schestowitz-TR2ytalk handles it OKOct 23 10:14
techrights-sec[2]" The best system is no system. "  -> If it's not there, it can't break : KISSOct 23 10:15
techrights-sec[2]ok here there is less so I see about 1/3 of what was writtenOct 23 10:15
schestowitzIn my first pass (slow reading) I hesitated to suggest any rephrasings and instead focus only on grammar/typos.Oct 23 10:17
schestowitz"just a game now" 3  - full stop missingOct 23 10:17
schestowitz"internet" = uppercase IOct 23 10:17
schestowitz"power as it's fruits." -> itsOct 23 10:17
schestowitz"sned my children" -> sendOct 23 10:17
schestowitz"Microsoft with it's Office365" -> itsOct 23 10:17
techrights-sec[2]The OpenBSD project has had a lot to say about simplicity.  They have pointedOct 23 10:24
techrights-sec[2]out time and again, based on real-life examples in other projects, that  Oct 23 10:24
techrights-sec[2]complexity (and difficulty in use) is anathema to "security".  Though one doesOct 23 10:24
techrights-sec[2]have to be very careful and define (confidentiality, integrity, availability)Oct 23 10:24
techrights-sec[2]security at the beginning to avoid microsofters coopting the term to standOct 23 10:24
techrights-sec[2]for their own job security and nothing more.Oct 23 10:24
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techrights-sec[2]When promoting Gemini, it probably helps to mention that it needs a separateOct 23 14:00
techrights-sec[2]client.  The last article kind of alluded to that but did not quite say directlyOct 23 14:00
techrights-sec[2]nor did it link to any page with direct informatin about Gemini clients.  It Oct 23 14:00
techrights-sec[2]would be great to have links to an overview of Gemini clients.  Oct 23 14:00
techrights-sec[2]https://ghuntley.com/fracture/Oct 23 14:00
-TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-ghuntley.com | Visual Studio Code is designed to fractureOct 23 14:00
techrights-sec[2]Friedman mentioned brieflyOct 23 14:00
techrights-sec[2]"""Maybe we need a new movement (or revisit past ideas from the 70s) that focuses on ensuring the openness regardOct 23 14:00
techrights-sec[2]ing freedoms of computing () that combat proprietary SaaS offerings? """Oct 23 14:00
schestowitz-TR2sorry, was afak for 3 hoursOct 23 14:41
schestowitz-TR2the router thing determined the dayOct 23 14:41
schestowitz-TR2I might now delete that remnant of gulagOct 23 14:41
schestowitz-TR2trying to make sure I got what I need by now (pertinent sites that still cover gnu/linux sometimes)Oct 23 14:41
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schestowitz-TR2I've been in contact with ffii re upcOct 23 15:39
schestowitz-TR2I have a clearer picture nowOct 23 15:40
schestowitz-TR2tbh, we should cover the issue but not put ALL our energy where the issues have alreadyOct 23 15:40
schestowitz-TR2been laid out clearly and legal challenges will certainly arriveOct 23 15:40
schestowitz-TR2I like where farnell is goingOct 23 15:40
schestowitz-TR2I really enjoy his articles and wish we had more like these in MSMOct 23 15:40
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techrights-sec[2]Maybe there is a low effort way to make sure the UPC stays dead and buriedOct 23 15:41
techrights-sec[2]Farnell could possibly shop out his writings as a guest author to a few Oct 23 15:41
techrights-sec[2]publications?Oct 23 15:41
schestowitz-TR2it is not a way to make a livingOct 23 15:41
techrights-sec[2]No, it would not be profitable but would help broadcast an important message.Oct 23 15:42
schestowitz-TR2yes, with family to pprovide for time is limitedOct 23 15:42
techrights-sec[2]Ah.  Of course.Oct 23 15:43
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schestowitz-TR2nhs (wife, iirc) under attack and rising costs of living make it harder to pursue hobbies, volunteerOct 23 15:45
schestowitz-TR2rianne ad I can live OK on less than 1k, family with kids need several K'sOct 23 15:45
schestowitz-TR2the mortgage alone can be 1kOct 23 15:45
schestowitz-TR2chomsky's theory about habving boot on the neck with student loans seema applicable hereOct 23 15:45
schestowitz-TR2as costs rise activism becomes less afe and harder to justifyOct 23 15:45
schestowitz-TR2as people struggle just for survivalOct 23 15:45
techrights-sec[2]Yes student loans are a way to drop kick youth into debt / wage slaveryOct 23 15:46
techrights-sec[2]then life becomes a hand-to-mouth struggle to stay afloat instead of havingOct 23 15:46
techrights-sec[2]time to improve, advance, or be involved in society.  It is that last pointOct 23 15:46
techrights-sec[2]that the oligarchy really has an issue with and aims to prevent.Oct 23 15:46
schestowitz-TR2rms was atatcked to discourage Oct 23 16:03
schestowitz-TR21) people listening to himOct 23 16:03
schestowitz-TR22) people thinking similarly or expressing similar viewsOct 23 16:03
schestowitz-TR23) there are other reasons, set them asideOct 23 16:03
schestowitz-TR2I think UPC issues are for states to fight over at the end, we just need to supply them with some factsOct 23 16:03
schestowitz-TR2but re farnell and harmful impact of tech, if you get enough people to talk similarly, things can changeOct 23 16:03
schestowitz-TR2same with convincign people to thun "self-service"Oct 23 16:03
schestowitz-TR2so it's a war of ideasOct 23 16:03
schestowitz-TR2the media other kills itself or gets killedOct 23 16:03
schestowitz-TR2or gets spamnilledOct 23 16:03
schestowitz-TR2 /sthun/shun/Oct 23 16:03
techrights-sec[2]yes it was to discourage software freedom and discussion of software freedom Oct 23 16:13
techrights-sec[2]in generalOct 23 16:13
techrights-sec[2]quiteOct 23 16:13
techrights-sec[2]spamnil is just noise not any kind of media or reporting of any kindOct 23 16:13
techrights-sec[2]It's rather too bad that he actively chose that model because back in his   Oct 23 16:13
techrights-sec[2]muktware days he had some glimmers of promise in his work.  But it looks likeOct 23 16:13
techrights-sec[2]he did that just enough to get his foot in the door and may have had his eyeOct 23 16:13
techrights-sec[2]on selling out from very early onOct 23 16:13
schestowitz-TR2he is in a dying occupationOct 23 16:14
schestowitz-TR2like his former employer in indiaOct 23 16:14
schestowitz-TR2he's not a techie Oct 23 16:14
techrights-sec[2]advertising / marketeering is far from dying out unfortunatelyOct 23 16:17
schestowitz-TR2I'd say, Oct 23 16:21
schestowitz-TR2he came from corproate 'journalism'Oct 23 16:21
schestowitz-TR2not the same as PROct 23 16:21
schestowitz-TR2but close to itOct 23 16:21
schestowitz-TR2sean michael kernel (ex/current LinuxToday) sort of defected as wellOct 23 16:21
schestowitz-TR2just to surviveOct 23 16:21
schestowitz-TR2there are barely any job openbings for investigators in the pressOct 23 16:21
schestowitz-TR2those that still exist have lots of competition over themOct 23 16:21
schestowitz-TR2due to the layoffsOct 23 16:21
schestowitz-TR2Sheela Microsoft and the wife James Z probably chose to keep SpamnilOct 23 16:21
schestowitz-TR2because he was easier to control and he would promote and resort to fraudOct 23 16:21
schestowitz-TR2he ruined linux.com already and did not stop thereOct 23 16:21
schestowitz-TR2I am sometimes reluctant to use the term "Linux" anymoreOct 23 16:21
schestowitz-TR2because of what this brand impliesOct 23 16:21
schestowitz-TR2rust, "microsoftr loves", clown, etc.Oct 23 16:21
techrights-sec[2]I think that was the reason he was hired :(Oct 23 16:23
techrights-sec[2]Yes he is helping tarnish or even kill the brandOct 23 16:23
schestowitz-TR29 days, 9 viewsOct 23 16:27
schestowitz-TR2latest from lunduke is beter...Oct 23 16:27
schestowitz-TR2[checking]Oct 23 16:27
schestowitz-TR2lunduke 2 days, 380 viewsOct 23 16:27
schestowitz-TR2just like in the old daysOct 23 16:27
schestowitz-TR2I clicked on that the other day just to checkOct 23 16:27
schestowitz-TR2i think you'd have to judge for yourselfOct 23 16:27
schestowitz-TR2butit was awful Oct 23 16:27
schestowitz-TR2it was just him talking about himself and marketing his "membership"Oct 23 16:27
schestowitz-TR2nothing on the screen, no face, no nothingOct 23 16:27
schestowitz-TR2just persistent promotional bannerOct 23 16:27
schestowitz-TR2for 39:40 min:secOct 23 16:28
schestowitz-TR2the video before this one is older and 150 viewsOct 23 16:28
schestowitz-TR2in youtubeOct 23 16:28
schestowitz-TR2he used to get thousands before he told people to quit youtubeOct 23 16:28
schestowitz-TR2he purges himself, then has remorseOct 23 16:28
schestowitz-TR2in one video that he pinned it shows him drinking a ban of beer, I thinkOct 23 16:28
schestowitz-TR2cheap macho-muchuOct 23 16:28
schestowitz-TR2like fabsh from linuxoutlawsOct 23 16:28
schestowitz-TR2it's like walking into a pub to find a singer who was once on tv or had chart hits, just trying to make reboundOct 23 16:29
techrights-sec[2]yes that's how bryan rolls these days.  It is months between useful or evenOct 23 16:46
techrights-sec[2]entertaining items on his site.Oct 23 16:46
techrights-sec[2]He has (or had) the capability and knowledge to do a comebackOct 23 16:49
techrights-sec[2]if he really wanted to.  But he hasn't covered any relevant topics hardly atOct 23 16:49
techrights-sec[2]all for a few years now.Oct 23 16:49
schestowitz-TR2many things 'collapse' these daysOct 23 16:57
schestowitz-TR2if you do not yourself "collapse", you are better off than the averageOct 23 16:57
schestowitz-TR2I was never a fan of LundukeOct 23 16:57
schestowitz-TR2but when it's hard to find material I can settle for anything (almost)Oct 23 16:57
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