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schestowitz-TRorganised a ton of data, made good backupJul 25 09:19
schestowitz-TRdidn't post many articles, but that's a lot less important in the grand scheme of thingsJul 25 09:19
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schestowitz-TRthe way I see it, those 2-3 hours spent last night is belated debt redemptionJul 25 10:04
schestowitz-TRas I really should have uploade them all in the first place but was tight in time or simply lazyJul 25 10:04
schestowitz-TRI thought about doing a video on this whole affair, but as the outcome is not goodJul 25 10:04
schestowitz-TRI'd rather notJul 25 10:04
Techrights-sec2probably not worth a video, not a good topicJul 25 10:51
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schestowitz-TR<techrights-news> UK Not Testing Enough for COVID-19 (More Than 1 in 10 Now Test Positive, But Testing Rates at New Lows) https://schestowitz.com/Weblog/archives/2022/07/25/not-enough-tests/Jul 25 13:00
-TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-schestowitz.com » Blog Archive » UK Not Testing Enough for COVID-19 (More Than 1 in 10 Now Test Positive, But Testing Rates at New Lows)Jul 25 13:00
schestowitz-TRmedia still ducking several important storiesJul 25 13:01
schestowitz-TRnow it's about PM (news cycle)Jul 25 13:01
schestowitz-TRBorisnaro was not held accountableJul 25 13:01
Techrights-sec2no, they let him off scotfreeJul 25 13:03
Techrights-sec2in several areasJul 25 13:03
schestowitz-TRI'll get on now with the Microsodft series, cleaned my feeds twice overJul 25 13:06
schestowitz-TRgemini traffic wqs high recently , also many unique IPsJul 25 13:06
schestowitz-TRI think we just need to keep at itJul 25 13:06
schestowitz-TRthe new CMS can improve workflow as it evolves and maturesJul 25 13:06
schestowitz-TRand lower the downtime, maintenance overheadJul 25 13:06
schestowitz-TRsuffice to say my employer is in no rush to move thingsJul 25 13:07
schestowitz-TRthey just try to get us to find somewhere else to avoid paying what we are entitled toJul 25 13:07
schestowitz-TRand avoid court disputesJul 25 13:07
schestowitz-TRyes, I figured that's the trick HR plays Jul 25 13:07
schestowitz-TRbetter for me not to say anything tbh, not in recorded meetings anywayJul 25 13:07
schestowitz-TRin the meantime I'm paid for my timeJul 25 13:07
Techrights-sec2ackJul 25 13:07
Techrights-sec2excellent.  TR is one of the more active Gemini sites I would imagine.Jul 25 13:07
Techrights-sec2:/  Jul 25 13:07
Techrights-sec2ah, that old trick Jul 25 13:07
schestowitz-TRspecs for sites have changed a lotJul 25 13:11
schestowitz-TRdata point:Jul 25 13:11
schestowitz-TRjust checked lxer: no comment at all in over a monthJul 25 13:11
schestowitz-TR20-15 years ago that's where a lot of the action was itJul 25 13:11
schestowitz-TRnot sure about online forums (like vbulletin and phpbb, not some shit like reddit)Jul 25 13:11
schestowitz-TRbut imho the specs have become a lot simplerJul 25 13:11
schestowitz-TRand some of the software better if used adequatelyJul 25 13:11
schestowitz-TRe.g. alpineJul 25 13:11
schestowitz-TRrhel is not needed for simple site hostingJul 25 13:11
schestowitz-TRit gives almost 1000 packages you never useJul 25 13:11
schestowitz-TRso you just patch and break all the timeJul 25 13:11
Techrights-sec2ackJul 25 13:14
schestowitz-TRI'\d go further and say that without brenching out to web aleternatives "sites" will perishJul 25 13:14
schestowitz-TRas gulag got all nasty adn very selfishJul 25 13:14
schestowitz-TRand prioritises things like sstackoverflow/exchangeJul 25 13:14
schestowitz-TRbufferoverflowJul 25 13:14
schestowitz-TRwhateverJul 25 13:14
schestowitz-TRand it's getting harder for sites to keep readers with something like rss feedsJul 25 13:14
schestowitz-TRmeanwhile sociual control media is all censored, curated by HEY HIJul 25 13:14
schestowitz-TRso they 'naturally" kill or weed out smaller sitesJul 25 13:14
schestowitz-TRand almost nobody talks aboutJul 25 13:14
schestowitz-TRgulag shut its doors to new sitesJul 25 13:14
schestowitz-TRit's not interestedJul 25 13:14
schestowitz-TRno financial incensitve to its shareholdersJul 25 13:14
Techrights-sec2ackJul 25 13:24
Techrights-sec2worse, as frequently ranted about, the share prices have no connection to Jul 25 13:24
Techrights-sec2reality let alone anything specific to the company's performance or viabilityJul 25 13:24
Techrights-sec2it may end up as a chain reaction affecting RHEL in that social control media'sJul 25 13:24
Techrights-sec2aglorithmic disappearance of smaller sites means that there will be little toJul 25 13:24
Techrights-sec2no incentive to pay for RHEL except for some non-WWW related business activitiesJul 25 13:24
Techrights-sec2and, usually, not even then.Jul 25 13:25
schestowitz-TRicbm tries to nuke the clones nowJul 25 13:25
schestowitz-TRit'lkl failJul 25 13:25
schestowitz-TRicbm is run by saringasesJul 25 13:25
schestowitz-TRwho don't grasp gplJul 25 13:25
schestowitz-TRhey hi smart transformation great resignation blockchain on the clownJul 25 13:27
schestowitz-TRtheir sites are a broken radioJul 25 13:29
schestowitz-TRrianne jokes about what POS opensource.cfom becameJul 25 13:29
schestowitz-TRand rarely sees anything worth linking to thereJul 25 13:29
schestowitz-TR(she last said it today; it has become a meme)Jul 25 13:29
Techrights-sec2furthermore, the "Cloud" services are a direct competitor to IBM on that frontJul 25 13:32
Techrights-sec2and the M$-paid media continues to push cloud for way more than it's worthJul 25 13:32
Techrights-sec2Yes, that is tragic because the previous generation at IBM understood the valueJul 25 13:32
Techrights-sec2of the GPL /and/ how to make a lot of money from it.  These new clowns areJul 25 13:32
Techrights-sec2just microsofters and incapable of bringing in money or even understanding theJul 25 13:32
Techrights-sec2nature of computing.  Certainly they have demonstrated themselves to be unawareJul 25 13:32
Techrights-sec2of the markets they are trying to work in. Jul 25 13:32
Techrights-sec2yepJul 25 13:32
Techrights-sec2that site is also about dragging down the name / term (it's not a trademark)Jul 25 13:32
Techrights-sec2By the way, the fact that Open Source is not a trademark should open upJul 25 13:32
Techrights-sec2better marketing possibilities because, legally, it should then be possilbeJul 25 13:32
Techrights-sec2to name it explicitly in tenders.Jul 25 13:32
Techrights-sec2If it were an actual trademark, then there are prohibitions to doing that.Jul 25 13:32
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schestowitz-TRpreparing draft on ms secJul 25 14:30
schestowitz-TRi'm sure you will have tihings to addJul 25 14:30
schestowitz-TRok, check nowJul 25 14:30
schestowitz-TRa) you will have a lot of things to add/correctJul 25 14:30
schestowitz-TRb) it's your areaJul 25 14:30
schestowitz-TRI've not chosen title/summary/endoing para yet, intentionallyJul 25 14:30
schestowitz-TRbetter to correct or add assuming it gets many views like Part II didJul 25 14:30
Techrights-sec2checkingJul 25 14:58
Techrights-sec2When mentioning Part II, a word or two of what it covered would be good, even though there is more detail in the second paragraph.  So maybe the two paragraphsJul 25 14:58
Techrights-sec2should be joinedJul 25 14:58
Techrights-sec2?Jul 25 14:58
Techrights-sec2s/extreme failures/abject failures/ ?Jul 25 14:58
Techrights-sec2"weed out" is the wrong verb there, since it looks like they are not weedingJul 25 15:07
Techrights-sec2out anything M$ but weeding out anyting disfavorable to M$Jul 25 15:07
Techrights-sec2Strassman's most famous article ought to be highlighed more, perhaps hinted at in the introduction?Jul 25 15:07
Techrights-sec2'Jul 25 15:07
Techrights-sec2not open to new ... if it contradicts M$ or its agendaJul 25 15:07
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schestowitz-TRdraftJul 25 16:45
Techrights-sec2checkingJul 25 16:45
Techrights-sec2The "EPC" needs to be spelled out when it is first used.  IIRC European PatentJul 25 16:45
Techrights-sec2Convention of 1974 (EPC)Jul 25 16:45
Techrights-sec2Same for ILOATJul 25 16:45
schestowitz-TRwikipedia makes me want to vomitJul 25 16:49
schestowitz-TRmaybe I should stopm  linking to itJul 25 16:49
schestowitz-TRthey even have an article about swpats/epcJul 25 16:49
schestowitz-TRand you can guess who camps thereJul 25 16:49
schestowitz-TRI\ve just arguied about this in irc with xrevanJul 25 16:49
schestowitz-TRcontext being russiaJul 25 16:49
schestowitz-TRi said wikipedia is bad cfor corporate and poilitical matterJul 25 16:49
schestowitz-TRmight be ok for scienceJul 25 16:49
schestowitz-TRwhere there is less to be gainsed financially by lyingJul 25 16:50
schestowitz-TRhence camping motivations are differentJul 25 16:50
Techrights-sec2No need to consider Wikipedia here for anything.  Best to avoid it, especiallyJul 25 16:53
Techrights-sec2on topics which they have politicized or fallen victim to disinformation    Jul 25 16:53
Techrights-sec2campaigns with.Jul 25 16:53
Techrights-sec2Wikipedia is only about edit wars and camping.Jul 25 16:53
schestowitz-TRmaybe in next company metting I will answer with only yes and noJul 25 16:56
schestowitz-TRintentionally terseJul 25 16:56
schestowitz-TRI just want to be out by year's end Jul 25 16:56
schestowitz-TRhr teaches him how to use pro-woerkers protections against the workersJul 25 16:57
schestowitz-TRto keep thekm agaiinst their willJul 25 16:57
schestowitz-TRI am back to work tomorrowJul 25 16:58
schestowitz-TRwould rather work on the sitesJul 25 16:58
schestowitz-TRtomortrow is exactly one month since TM's DB went rogueJul 25 16:58
Techrights-sec2ackJul 25 16:59
Techrights-sec2that's the purpose of HR : to protect the company against the workersJul 25 16:59
Techrights-sec2I'd get advice from your uninon rep if possibleJul 25 16:59
Techrights-sec2otherwise the fight is lopsided in their favorJul 25 16:59
Techrights-sec2ackJul 25 16:59
Techrights-sec2what was the feedback from Marius, if he had time to look at the outside or Jul 25 16:59
Techrights-sec2inside of the mockup / alphaJul 25 16:59
schestowitz-TRno feedback yetJul 25 17:04
schestowitz-TRis the plan to (at some point) wipe the DB entries and start posting in both sites in tandem while exposing the "beta" to the public, then gradually change over?Jul 25 17:04
Techrights-sec2yes, at some point we'd wipe the DB contents and run it in parallel to the oldJul 25 17:05
Techrights-sec2system for a little while just to be sure then once it is adjusted enoughJul 25 17:05
Techrights-sec2and deemed adequate, the old one can be copied to static, too, then turned offJul 25 17:05
Techrights-sec2and keep somewhere offlineJul 25 17:05
schestowitz-TRturning off old can happen much laterJul 25 17:10
schestowitz-TRin fact, the fist step would be locking it downJul 25 17:10
schestowitz-TRno edits/comments etc.Jul 25 17:10
schestowitz-TRdo you think we can start, bug notwithstanding, post in parallel today?Jul 25 17:10
schestowitz-TRanything in the current DB is either cruft or already in "old" anywayJul 25 17:10
schestowitz-TRmuch of it was generated by older versions of the scriptsJul 25 17:10
schestowitz-TRwith a clean slate at least we can soon remove password restrictionJul 25 17:10
schestowitz-TRand I can tweak the IRC scripts to point to the newJul 25 17:10
schestowitz-TRand today/tomorrow I have lots of spare time for thisJul 25 17:10
schestowitz-TRnext week I have two days off work (holiday)Jul 25 17:10
schestowitz-TRmaybe make a backup just in caseJul 25 17:10
schestowitz-TRit must be no bigger than 2MBJul 25 17:10
Techrights-sec2ok I guess we should wipe the current content. Jul 25 17:11
Techrights-sec2ok with that?Jul 25 17:11
Techrights-sec2I'd prefer to hear what marius has to say about the workflow etcJul 25 17:11
Techrights-sec2wiping ...Jul 25 17:11
Techrights-sec2ok clean start; hopefully there are no rough edges with such a restartJul 25 17:11
schestowitz-TRwhen public I can test the rss feed at client and script (curl+wget)Jul 25 17:27
Techrights-sec2yesJul 25 17:27
Techrights-sec2now the old files are remove too.  it is a clean start Jul 25 17:27
schestowitz tm-extract-posts-sql.pl -f -v -d $(date -d '-2 days' +'%F') -sJul 25 17:28
schestowitzD: 2022/07/23Jul 25 17:28
schestowitzP: /var/www/tuxmachines.org/htdocs/n/Jul 25 17:28
schestowitzDate 20220723Jul 25 17:28
schestowitzCreated directory '/var/www/tuxmachines.org/htdocs/n/2022/07/25'Jul 25 17:28
schestowitzF: /var/www/tuxmachines.org/htdocs/n/2022/07/25/AudiocastsShowsVideos:_Speeding_Up_GNULinux,_Aserto,_WordPress,_Steam_Deck.shtmlJul 25 17:28
schestowitzPREV = 0Jul 25 17:28
schestowitzUse of uninitialized value $title in concatenation (.) or string at /usr/local/bin/tm-extract-posts-sql.pl line 199.Jul 25 17:28
schestowitzUse of uninitialized value $author in concatenation (.) or string at /usr/local/bin/tm-extract-posts-sql.pl line 199.Jul 25 17:28
schestowitzUse of uninitialized value $post in concatenation (.) or string at /usr/local/bin/tm-extract-posts-sql.pl line 199.Jul 25 17:28
schestowitzOLDEST PREV = 0Jul 25 17:28
schestowitzUse of uninitialized value $pdate in substitution (s///) at /usr/local/bin/tm-extract-posts-sql.pl line 189.Jul 25 17:28
schestowitzUse of uninitialized value $pdate in concatenation (.) or string at /usr/local/bin/tm-extract-posts-sql.pl line 191.Jul 25 17:28
schestowitzUse of uninitialized value $slug in concatenation (.) or string at /usr/local/bin/tm-extract-posts-sql.pl line 238.Jul 25 17:28
schestowitzF: /var/www/tuxmachines.org/htdocs/n//.shtmlJul 25 17:28
Techrights-sec2ack   Jul 25 17:30
Techrights-sec2now I have to dig into thatJul 25 17:30
Techrights-sec2checking ...Jul 25 17:30
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Techrights-sec2...checkingJul 25 17:46
Techrights-sec2did the second record add without problems?Jul 25 17:46
schestowitz-TRthanks, likely an "edge case" Jul 25 17:46
schestowitz-TRafter adding node #1Jul 25 17:46
schestowitz-TRI think the second one gave the same 6 "errors"Jul 25 17:46
Techrights-sec2The warnings from creating the first record are fixed.Jul 25 17:46
Techrights-sec2Can you try with a third record and make note of any warnings?Jul 25 17:46
schestowitz-TRadded a thirdJul 25 17:50
schestowitz-TRno errors this time \0/Jul 25 17:50
schestowitz-TRoh, wait, until I run tm-extract-postJul 25 17:50
schestowitz-TRthen it's the sameJul 25 17:51
Techrights-sec2^s/creating/creating static HTML from/Jul 25 18:03
Techrights-sec2I see it now...Jul 25 18:03
Techrights-sec2checkingJul 25 18:03
Techrights-sec2I've updated the scripts now; for some reason git is not behaving in that   Jul 25 18:03
Techrights-sec2directory; so manual updates are required there.  Jul 25 18:03
Techrights-sec2The script refresh-site-from-db.sh will now update the site from the databaseJul 25 18:03
Techrights-sec2and can be run after adding or modifying records.Jul 25 18:03
Techrights-sec2at least the navigational links are created okJul 25 18:03
schestowitz-TRback, just posted the epo video/postJul 25 18:06
schestowitz-TRchecking...Jul 25 18:06
schestowitz-TRrianne is backJul 25 18:06
schestowitz-TRbrb kitchenJul 25 18:06
schestowitz-TRthe bank had a massivbe queue todayJul 25 18:06
schestowitz-TRthery told her to book appoointment and "do online" or "apps"Jul 25 18:06
schestowitz-TRof course, we'll phone to bookJul 25 18:06
schestowitz-TRbut I await some robot on the lineJul 25 18:06
Techrights-sec2ackJul 25 18:11
schestowitz-TRwow, in recent librewof and recent firefox the rss/xml support got so awfulJul 25 18:11
schestowitz-TRit is like they actively went out of their way to sabotage is and make it difficultJul 25 18:11
schestowitz-TRthe opposite of how it was in 2005Jul 25 18:11
schestowitz-TRat first I thought it was just firefox or just me or TMJul 25 18:11
Techrights-sec2ackJul 25 18:12
Techrights-sec2:(Jul 25 18:12
Techrights-sec2there is a slog against RSS and IMAPS both, and unfortunately Mozilla isJul 25 18:12
Techrights-sec2an active antagonist against bothJul 25 18:12
Techrights-sec2Their work against IMAPS is the more harmful of the two, but their actionsJul 25 18:14
Techrights-sec2against both are damaging.  It's very clear that Baker is only doing Google'sJul 25 18:14
Techrights-sec2dirty work and is getting paid well for it.Jul 25 18:14
Techrights-sec2I see a bug in the feed output, it uses relative URLs instead of absolute URLsJul 25 18:15
Techrights-sec2so that'll have to be updated first.Jul 25 18:15
Techrights-sec2yes  Jul 25 18:25
Techrights-sec2working ...Jul 25 18:25
Techrights-sec2try refreshing the site now              Jul 25 18:26
Techrights-sec2I'll look at the pwdJul 25 18:26
schestowitz-TRcan you temporarily left password restriction for me to test rss and maybe have a go at the script for new posts?Jul 25 18:27
schestowitz-TRmake it news.tuxmachines.orgJul 25 18:27
schestowitz-TRas base url (please)Jul 25 18:27
schestowitz-TRyes, I treied already and it workedJul 25 18:32
schestowitz-TRin quiterssJul 25 18:32
schestowitz-TRthe base url is not thereJul 25 18:32
schestowitz-TRbut it can be accessed by anyoneJul 25 18:32
schestowitz-TRand dealt with ok in quiterssJul 25 18:32
schestowitzhttps://validator.w3.org/feed/check.cgi?url=http%3A%2F%2Fnews.tuxmachines.org%2Ffeed.xmlJul 25 18:32
schestowitz-TRlet's try rss/xml validation serviceJul 25 18:32
-TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-validator.w3.org | Feed Validator Results: http://news.tuxmachines.org/feed.xmlJul 25 18:32
Techrights-sec2try refreshing the site now              Jul 25 18:32
Techrights-sec2I'll look at the pwdJul 25 18:32
Techrights-sec2try: http://news.tuxmachines.org/feed.xmlJul 25 18:32
Techrights-sec2checkingJul 25 18:44
Techrights-sec2should the author be Tux Machines, or should we dig out the specific author?Jul 25 18:44
Techrights-sec2checking validator ...Jul 25 18:44
schestowitz-TRauthor id is not essential for the feedJul 25 18:46
schestowitz-TRi think the very fact we have control over thopse things is good enough reason to leave drupal behindJul 25 18:46
schestowitz-TR:-)Jul 25 18:58
schestowitz-TRyes, I noticed seconds agoJul 25 18:58
schestowitz-TRheader, full base url, testing now...Jul 25 18:58
schestowitz-TRworkd well, very fast to, quiterss thinks the cert is "dodgy" :-)Jul 25 18:58
schestowitz-TRbut by default we can use http, I guessJul 25 18:58
Techrights-sec2ok and the validator also wants /different/ timestamps for each entryJul 25 18:58
Techrights-sec2I'm not sure that's worth the effort, the db would have to be redone a bit Jul 25 18:58
Techrights-sec2for thatJul 25 18:58
Techrights-sec2ok it's now a valid Atom feedJul 25 18:58
Techrights-sec2okJul 25 18:58
Techrights-sec2the RSS works fine in the second two posts, but the first one is munged:Jul 25 19:01
Techrights-sec2https://news.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/07/25/AudiocastsShowsVideos:_Speeding_Up_GNULinux,_Aserto,_WordPress,_Steam_Deck.shtmlJul 25 19:01
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schestowitz-TRI am working on the irc scriptJul 25 19:07
schestowitz-TRseeing how it can be made to link to the new site or both for nowJul 25 19:07
schestowitz-TRI mean not "now now" Jul 25 19:08
schestowitz-TRbut soonJul 25 19:08
schestowitz-TRthis ought to be easy, I see nowJul 25 19:08
Techrights-sec2ackJul 25 19:08
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schestowitz-TRI think I got a fairly recent backup before we moved it to alpineJul 25 19:57
schestowitz-TRbut maybe you can tar is before deleting just in caseJul 25 19:57
schestowitz-TRsucess, I think Jul 25 19:57
schestowitz-TRtesting...Jul 25 19:57
schestowitz-TRaha, I forgot to update rssJul 25 19:57
schestowitz-TR---Jul 25 20:03
schestowitz-TRyay!Jul 25 20:03
schestowitz-TRI'll push to git laterJul 25 20:03
schestowitz-TRif you remove access restrictions to n/Jul 25 20:03
schestowitz-TRthen it can be tested betterJul 25 20:03
schestowitz-TRI think curl won't like the certJul 25 20:03
schestowitz-TRfor now maybe base url with http? rather than https?Jul 25 20:03
Techrights-sec2ok will look tomorrow, Jul 25 20:09
Techrights-sec2ackJul 25 20:09
schestowitz-TRnp,Jul 25 20:09
schestowitz-TRpushed to git (crude for now)Jul 25 20:09
schestowitz-TRbut worksJul 25 20:09
schestowitz-TRso we can soon (perhaps) start linking to both new and oldJul 25 20:09
schestowitz-TR1) I've changed permissions in apacheJul 25 20:34
schestowitz-TR2) I set up properly git accessJul 25 20:34
schestowitz-TR3) I hope I didn't commit "too much" (I got some confusing messages even after I git pulled)Jul 25 20:34
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