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| schestowitz | "it's awkward that no major distros I know of have been shipping Gemini clients so far... as if they have been instructed not to" http://techrights.org/irc-archives/irc-log-social-240921.html#tSep%2024%2023:49:20 | Sep 25 07:11 |
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| -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-techrights.org | IRC: #boycottnovell-social and #techpol @ Techrights IRC Network: Friday, September 24, 2021 | Sep 25 07:11 | |
| Techrights-sec | Quite the appearance. Hoqever, packagers are no longer common. If | Sep 25 07:13 |
| Techrights-sec | people think TM is an "app" then the overall knowledge level is too low to | Sep 25 07:13 |
| Techrights-sec | operate. See also my rant from the other day. | Sep 25 07:13 |
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| schestowitz-TR | he has asked debian maintainers about it. push or prod can't harm... let's see what the outcome will be | Sep 25 07:22 |
| schestowitz-TR | I finished work in 1.5 hours. Overnight we spent 2 hours choosing photos to upload during the weekend, for the first time in nearly a year (not much to shoot with the lockdowns we do) | Sep 25 07:24 |
| schestowitz-TR | *finish work | Sep 25 07:24 |
| Techrights-sec | It's not hard work to package, usually, but it is work and it does take | Sep 25 07:25 |
| Techrights-sec | a time commitment in conjunction with the release cycles. | Sep 25 07:25 |
| Techrights-sec | It's considered entry level, but as mentioned there are too few people with | Sep 25 07:25 |
| Techrights-sec | even entry level skills. And those with the ability are busy elsewhere. | Sep 25 07:25 |
| schestowitz-TR | bortzmeyer now counts 1666 capsules | Sep 25 07:27 |
| activelow | it is alot of work, to meet QA criteria | Sep 25 07:27 |
| activelow | have fun reading the gentoo docs | Sep 25 07:29 |
| activelow | during the night i created 5 ebuilds already, and had finished more if the ugly DNS bug in tor-proxy didn't hit me again with telescope gemini client | Sep 25 07:32 |
| activelow | so, i debugged and fixed that quickly too, patching tor proxy | Sep 25 07:32 |
| Techrights-sec | Yes. It's good growth though not exponential. | Sep 25 07:33 |
| schestowitz-TR | growth will be faster when configuring one's capsule is as simple as apt-get agate (or similar) with scripts to bootstrap everything on localhost and a dialogue like they have for LAMP serevers | Sep 25 07:35 |
| activelow | i picked 24 ebuilds for gemini, which required reviewing what's available, those include clients, some gemini libs in python, a markdown converter, and 5 server packages | Sep 25 07:36 |
| activelow | those builds are all alpha ones (9999 in gentoo terms), git head | Sep 25 07:37 |
| activelow | i won't touch any other than C or Python, which is enought trouble already (cmake, meson, autotools, make, setuptools); gentoo got some neat ebuild helpers, and integrates seamlessly with git | Sep 25 07:39 |
| activelow | another problem is this: i keep the system OFFLINE while developing/compiling, so i need to mirror all git repos locally first, for security reasons, and to avoid accidents | Sep 25 07:40 |
| schestowitz | activelow: https://bkhome.org/news/202109/chromium-compiled-for-15-hours-before-failing.html | Sep 25 07:41 |
| -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-bkhome.org | Chromium compiled for 15 hours before failing | Sep 25 07:41 | |
| activelow | btw. lagrange renders nicely on framebuffer (without X11), and it compiled in a few minutes on arm64 SBC, and lagrange is a heavyweight among gemini clients | Sep 25 07:42 |
| Techrights-sec | Yes, each distro has a whole different set of QA hoops. The technical skills | Sep 25 07:43 |
| Techrights-sec | are not that esoteric, it's mostly just time consuming. | Sep 25 07:43 |
| Techrights-sec | The server is a second, but similar, problem. I'll take a look at what's in | Sep 25 07:43 |
| Techrights-sec | the ports database after the next release of OpenBSD. If there is something | Sep 25 07:43 |
| Techrights-sec | reasonable for Gemini, I might add an instance^Wcapsule. | Sep 25 07:43 |
| Techrights-sec | So far the latest Ubuntu has only the client elpa-elpher and no server | Sep 25 07:43 |
| Techrights-sec | software. | Sep 25 07:43 |
| schestowitz-TR | activelow: yes, it is the heaviest I have seen | Sep 25 07:45 |
| schestowitz-TR | July latest git from Jon's site? | Sep 25 07:46 |
| schestowitz-TR | or latest stable release? | Sep 25 07:46 |
| activelow | nope, i pulled in latest git head today | Sep 25 07:46 |
| schestowitz-TR | 1.6.5 | Sep 25 07:46 |
| activelow | of cause, i cannot test all builds in detail, gentoo ensures some minimum QA with their ebuild system, once merged i do minimum acceptance | Sep 25 07:47 |
| activelow | meaning, program must launch, not crash, man page available, no file collisions; dependencies, source-uri/git, license noted | Sep 25 07:48 |
| activelow | i cannot verify a full use-flag/dependency graph initially, this will require gentoo-catalyst to drop a full ISO/arm-firmware relase | Sep 25 07:48 |
| activelow | which i am planning for another one until end of this year, which will fully exclude X11, and integrate directfb instead | Sep 25 07:49 |
| activelow | btw. yesterday i verified legacy BSD pty support: tmux needs patching, otherwise i feel confident and will enforce legacy pty with my distro | Sep 25 07:53 |
| activelow | if Alan Cox resigned over a dispute with pty handling, there must have been reasons | Sep 25 07:53 |
| activelow | good night | Sep 25 07:55 |
| schestowitz-TR | gn | Sep 25 07:57 |
| schestowitz-TR | 2.22TB of bandwidth since uploading the RMS talk or Since Sunday | Sep 25 08:13 |
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| schestowitz | "Fake news. Linkedin works. I know two people that has MS and Google contact them from LinkedIn profile" | Sep 25 08:28 |
| schestowitz | https://www.thelayoff.com/t/1cKiRnF7#replies | Sep 25 08:28 |
| -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-www.thelayoff.com | If you don't leave in 2021, you never will! - post regarding IBM layoffs | Sep 25 08:29 | |
| schestowitz | Microsoft uses its own spying platform to contact people. What a shock... | Sep 25 08:29 |
| schestowitz | x https://www.tomshardware.com/how-to/get-started-windows-subsystem-for-linux-windows-11 | Sep 25 08:30 |
| -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-www.tomshardware.com | How to Install Windows Subsystem for Linux in Windows 11 | Tom's Hardware | Sep 25 08:31 | |
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| Techrights-sec | Mostly the RMS video? | Sep 25 08:46 |
| Techrights-sec | How many downloads? | Sep 25 08:46 |
| schestowitz-TR | see tmux | Sep 25 08:46 |
| Techrights-sec | Yep. | Sep 25 08:53 |
| Techrights-sec | BTW : https://openports.se/net/vger | Sep 25 08:53 |
| -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-openports.se | OpenPorts.se | The OpenBSD package collection | Sep 25 08:53 | |
| schestowitz-TR | the numbers were a lot higher months ago, but we made about 3 times as many videos back then. I need topic ideas, I've covered a lot of what needed covering in videos and I don't want to do repetition (can link to old videos instead) | Sep 25 08:54 |
| schestowitz-TR | I know about vget and checked it before (now downloading, just info) | Sep 25 08:55 |
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| Techrights-sec | I'll see if I can think of topics for videos. | Sep 25 09:30 |
| Techrights-sec | What was that about LF trying to shutdown all Linux / GNU/Linux conferences | Sep 25 09:30 |
| Techrights-sec | except for the ones they control? I wonder if there is evidence of them | Sep 25 09:30 |
| Techrights-sec | pushing CoCs everywhere. Linus needs to take his trademark, fork the code, andwalk. | Sep 25 09:30 |
| schestowitz-TR | afaik, some people who read TR did contact Torvalds. At least gives him the idea. | Sep 25 09:31 |
| Techrights-sec | I hope he has at least given the idea consideration. I presume that | Sep 25 09:34 |
| Techrights-sec | regardless of his inclinations he is afraid of the huge amount of | Sep 25 09:34 |
| Techrights-sec | administrivia and financing required to start anew. | Sep 25 09:34 |
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| Techrights-sec | The trouble started when it cancelled the community representative. | Sep 25 09:35 |
| Techrights-sec | ^representation. | Sep 25 09:35 |
| schestowitz | other /types/ of issues preceded that, so it started before it | Sep 25 09:36 |
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| Techrights-sec | Yes, though the removal of community representation was a /huge/ warning | Sep 25 09:41 |
| Techrights-sec | to the world. | Sep 25 09:41 |
| Techrights-sec | Regardless, the corruption arrived quickly. What could be done to | Sep 25 09:41 |
| Techrights-sec | ensure a slower takeover of a replacement institution? A lot of it comes | Sep 25 09:41 |
| Techrights-sec | down to the individuals participating and their integrity. However, | Sep 25 09:41 |
| Techrights-sec | they are supported in staying on track by sound guidelines and maybe the | Sep 25 09:41 |
| Techrights-sec | right charter. That CoC crap did its job in distracting from the infiltration | Sep 25 09:41 |
| Techrights-sec | and destruction. | Sep 25 09:41 |
| Techrights-sec | Heck they even signed Linus up for unnecessary treatment. | Sep 25 09:41 |
| schestowitz | In BI, recently, they stated clearly that he had been signed for therapists as if he was mentally ill. Smacks of Communist Russia. | Sep 25 09:42 |
| schestowitz | I regard that a form of self-humiliation and degradation, akin to what was done to Assange to demoralise him | Sep 25 09:42 |
| schestowitz | the stallman.org site has not been the same. Rianne is now telling me it's like "lite" (cigs and chocolate). RMS-lite, Linus-lite. That's how the authorities like it. Self-censorship. | Sep 25 09:45 |
| schestowitz | Lithuania says that China now enforces this using 'phones'. | Sep 25 09:46 |
| Techrights-sec | And got away with it. | Sep 25 09:50 |
| Techrights-sec | Yes, inappropriate, wrong, and unnecessary medical treatment was / is used | Sep 25 09:50 |
| Techrights-sec | as a form of torture. | Sep 25 09:50 |
| Techrights-sec | Yes. | Sep 25 09:50 |
| Techrights-sec | With Assange lies and disinformation still circulate. And some of those who | Sep 25 09:50 |
| Techrights-sec | were actively spreading those lies are still around in FOSS circles, just | Sep 25 09:50 |
| Techrights-sec | . | Sep 25 09:50 |
| Techrights-sec | Too bad. Yes. The option is present in the various models but only turned | Sep 25 09:51 |
| Techrights-sec | on in specific countries or under specific circumstances. That gives them | Sep 25 09:51 |
| Techrights-sec | room to use weasel words to dodge the question in the press. | Sep 25 09:51 |
| schestowitz-TR | maybe worth doing some video about? it feels a bit like old news, but those issues persist | Sep 25 09:53 |
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| Techrights-sec | Current issues are always relevant, even if they've presisted a long time. | Sep 25 09:56 |
| Techrights-sec | The important thing is to show both that it has been a long term problem | Sep 25 09:56 |
| Techrights-sec | and that it is highly relevent in the current environment. | Sep 25 09:56 |
| schestowitz-TR | I'll have a thing about it and simulate inside my mind what points can be made and how | Sep 25 09:56 |
| schestowitz-TR | *think about | Sep 25 09:56 |
| schestowitz-TR | I've begun drafting something | Sep 25 10:06 |
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| Techrights-sec | router maintenance in a bit | Sep 25 12:50 |
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| Techrights-sec | ok. set... for a while | Sep 25 15:02 |
| Techrights-sec | Why is this a screenshot: http://techrights.org/2021/09/24/rms-talk-in-poland/ | Sep 25 15:02 |
| Techrights-sec | and not as text? Text would work in Gemini, too. | Sep 25 15:02 |
| -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-techrights.org | Richard Stallman to Speak (in Person) in Poland, Dedicate the Talk to Medical Professionals | Techrights | Sep 25 15:02 | |
| schestowitz-TR | see the alt text of that image | Sep 25 15:02 |
| schestowitz-TR | also, I gave two different links which contain the full text | Sep 25 15:02 |
| Techrights-sec | Ok. | Sep 25 15:03 |
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| Techrights-sec | For some reason the two links are not present in Gemini. | Sep 25 15:35 |
| Techrights-sec | I think I found it. The A is within EM which is within P. | Sep 25 15:35 |
| Techrights-sec | Running update now. | Sep 25 15:35 |
| Techrights-sec | See: gemini://gemini.techrights.org/2021/09/24/rms-talk-in-poland/index.gmi | Sep 25 15:35 |
| Techrights-sec | There is still the question of the semantic value of 'here' as link text though.. | Sep 25 15:35 |
| Techrights-sec | gemini://gemini.techrights.org/git/change/ | Sep 25 15:35 |
| schestowitz-TR | thanks, we can always regenerate pages with improved versions of the code. I've finished the draft of the video post just now. | Sep 25 15:35 |
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| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/leftspanker2020/status/1441639596274585601 | Sep 25 21:12 |
| -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-@leftspanker2020: @DuckDuckGo WAKE UP AMERICA DUCKDUCKGO ARE CENSORING TRACKING AND LYING! https://t.co/Vo7Ckidfzv | Sep 25 21:12 | |
| -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell--> techrights.org | Why People Should Never Ever Use DuckDuckGo | Techrights | Sep 25 21:12 | |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/leftspanker2020/status/1441639376556023809 | Sep 25 21:12 |
| -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-@leftspanker2020: @DuckDuckGo The truth about who DDG really is! https://t.co/Vo7CkhVEHX | Sep 25 21:12 | |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/leftspanker2020/status/1441639233177866244 | Sep 25 21:13 |
| -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-@leftspanker2020: @DuckDuckGo @CommonSense THE TRUTH ABOUT WHO DUCKDUCKGO REALLY IS! https://t.co/Vo7Ckidfzv | Sep 25 21:13 | |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/leftspanker2020/status/1441639090164699141 | Sep 25 21:13 |
| -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-@leftspanker2020: @DuckDuckGo @keachhagey @JeffHorwitz https://t.co/Vo7Ckidfzv | Sep 25 21:13 | |
| schestowitz | https://www.gnu.org/gnu/initial-announcement.en.html | Sep 25 21:32 |
| -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-www.gnu.org | Initial Announcement - GNU Project - Free Software Foundation | Sep 25 21:32 | |
| schestowitz | "The wording here was careless. The intention was that nobody would have to pay for permission to use the GNU system. But the words don't make this clear, and people often interpret them as saying that copies of GNU should always be distributed at little or no charge. That was never the intent." | Sep 25 21:32 |
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