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| techrights-sec[2] | gemini.techrights.org/2022/10/26/when-digital-systems-fail/ | Oct 27 07:37 |
| techrights-sec[2] | Rather than modify the code, it might be more useful to fix the HTML | Oct 27 07:37 |
| techrights-sec[2] | fixed | Oct 27 07:37 |
| techrights-sec[2] | there were too many redundant div elements | Oct 27 07:37 |
| techrights-sec[2] | the tree has to stay rather flat | Oct 27 07:37 |
| techrights-sec[2] | s/redundant/redundant, nested/ | Oct 27 07:37 |
| schestowitz-TR2 | yes, the divs came from the original html | Oct 27 07:37 |
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| schestowitz-TR2 | oh, good, you find something in reuters that validates what I said about twitter losing a ton | Oct 27 07:48 |
| schestowitz-TR2 | of activity. it makes up for it by funnelling remaining users into emotional trips. | Oct 27 07:48 |
| schestowitz-TR2 | musk and the head choppers waste money, no idea why, but I can guess | Oct 27 07:48 |
| techrights-sec[2] | ack | Oct 27 07:58 |
| schestowitz-TR2 | optimal time to leave was, when the threats started | Oct 27 08:00 |
| schestowitz-TR2 | I think early 2021 | Oct 27 08:00 |
| schestowitz-TR2 | up until then I had to spend almost no time on it | Oct 27 08:00 |
| schestowitz-TR2 | but in 2019 there was already this 'cancel culture' thing | Oct 27 08:00 |
| schestowitz-TR2 | that led me to not reply to anything | Oct 27 08:00 |
| schestowitz-TR2 | it would take time before I received threats over my speech | Oct 27 08:00 |
| schestowitz-TR2 | "Health is the most important aspect of your life!" gemini://snonux.land/gemfeed/2022-10-27-if-health-isnt-there.gmi | Oct 27 08:23 |
| techrights-sec[2] | The threats are tolerated by the management there and even encouraged if they | Oct 27 08:24 |
| techrights-sec[2] | support particular agendas or suppress specific topics | Oct 27 08:24 |
| schestowitz-TR2 | you would think after posting nearly a million tweets I would NOT wans it to crash and burn | Oct 27 08:25 |
| schestowitz-TR2 | [topic] Twitter is Concerned That Its Most Valuable Users Quit in Droves | Oct 27 08:41 |
| schestowitz-TR2 | Musk and the Saudis still want a dying platform, FB shares fell to 100 dollars (from almost 400) | Oct 27 08:41 |
| schestowitz-TR2 | trying to cling onto Microsoft for survival, like Netflix | Oct 27 08:41 |
| schestowitz-TR2 | we need about 4-6 topics, then I can record efficiently | Oct 27 08:41 |
| techrights-sec[2] | If the Unified Patent Court (UPC) is illegal because a) it strictly requires | Oct 27 08:41 |
| techrights-sec[2] | the UK to be within the EU to sign and b) there are various consitutional | Oct 27 08:41 |
| techrights-sec[2] | issues confirmed by courts, then which source for a) and b) ? | Oct 27 08:41 |
| techrights-sec[2] | ^ topic ? | Oct 27 08:41 |
| techrights-sec[2] | [citations for a and b are super important] | Oct 27 08:41 |
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| schestowitz-TR2 | "Election Denial" is what Bill Gates-bribed Pro Publica collectively calls rejection of back-doored Windows voting machines ☛ https://www.propublica.org/article/uline-uihlein-election-denial | Oct 27 08:46 |
| -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-www.propublica.org | How the Uline Box Empire Has Fueled Election Denial — ProPublica | Oct 27 08:46 | |
| techrights-sec[2] | https://www.jordanharbinger.com/harri-hursti-the-cyber-war-on-americas-elections/ | Oct 27 08:50 |
| techrights-sec[2] | (old) | Oct 27 08:50 |
| techrights-sec[2] | US is ignoring the 'long' game | Oct 27 08:50 |
| -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-www.jordanharbinger.com | Harri Hursti | The Cyber War on America's Elections | The Jordan Harbinger Show 405 | Oct 27 08:50 | |
| techrights-sec[2] | old https://estoniaevoting.org/team/ | Oct 27 08:53 |
| -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-estoniaevoting.org | The Team | Independent Report on E-voting in Estonia | Oct 27 08:53 | |
| techrights-sec[2] | unfortunately that topic is one which is banned from twitter and other social | Oct 27 08:55 |
| techrights-sec[2] | control media and only pits cover it -- so far | Oct 27 08:55 |
| techrights-sec[2] | https://www.fox2detroit.com/news/man-buys-michigan-voting-machine-off-ebay-the-secretary-of-state-has-questions | Oct 27 08:55 |
| techrights-sec[2] | ^ topic ? | Oct 27 08:55 |
| -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-www.fox2detroit.com | Man buys Michigan voting machine off EBay. The Secretary of State has questions | Oct 27 08:55 | |
| techrights-sec[2] | many reasons not to use "webmail" in place of e-mail: | Oct 27 08:59 |
| techrights-sec[2] | https://utcc.utoronto.ca/~cks/space/blog/spam/PhishViaFiletypeConfusion | Oct 27 08:59 |
| techrights-sec[2] | a case for commodity services, open standards, and free choice of client sofrware | Oct 27 08:59 |
| techrights-sec[2] | ^ topic ? | Oct 27 08:59 |
| -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-utcc.utoronto.ca | Chris's Wiki :: blog/spam/PhishViaFiletypeConfusion | Oct 27 08:59 | |
| techrights-sec[2] | https://scheerpost.com/2022/10/25/what-if-journalism-disappeared/ | Oct 27 09:01 |
| -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-What if Journalism Disappeared? - scheerpost.com | Oct 27 09:01 | |
| techrights-sec[2] | ^ topic ? | Oct 27 09:01 |
| schestowitz-TR2 | ok, got 5 topics now | Oct 27 09:02 |
| schestowitz-TR2 | that's enough for now :D | Oct 27 09:02 |
| techrights-sec[2] | ack | Oct 27 09:06 |
| schestowitz-TR2 | lunduke has just uploaded another new youtube to a fanfare of 150 viewers | Oct 27 09:08 |
| schestowitz-TR2 | those sem bland and have no actual topic, just a mishmash | Oct 27 09:08 |
| techrights-sec[2] | Bryan's decline has been sad | Oct 27 09:16 |
| schestowitz-TR2 | i still see all his blog posts | Oct 27 09:16 |
| schestowitz-TR2 | maybe 1 in 10 has some real value, so it's a low yield | Oct 27 09:17 |
| schestowitz-TR2 | anyway, I will record shortly, got some material | Oct 27 09:17 |
| schestowitz-TR2 | I'll try to keep videos shorter | Oct 27 09:17 |
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| schestowitz-TR2 | OTA | Oct 27 09:48 |
| schestowitz-TR2 | long, many | Oct 27 09:48 |
| schestowitz-TR2 | donex5 | Oct 27 10:44 |
| schestowitz-TR2 | now text... | Oct 27 10:44 |
| schestowitz-TR2 | productive so farf today | Oct 27 10:45 |
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| schestowitz-TR2 | draft | Oct 27 10:54 |
| techrights-sec[2] | ack | Oct 27 10:58 |
| techrights-sec[2] | checking | Oct 27 10:58 |
| techrights-sec[2] | some stats would help, you have several links from a few years ago showing | Oct 27 10:58 |
| techrights-sec[2] | in real numbers the actual decline | Oct 27 10:58 |
| schestowitz-TR2 | good thinking, I think we should do a followup with numeric data | Oct 27 10:59 |
| schestowitz-TR2 | I can do some at my end too | Oct 27 10:59 |
| schestowitz-TR2 | later on.. | Oct 27 10:59 |
| schestowitz-TR2 | I've just added a long footnote to the summary | Oct 27 10:59 |
| schestowitz-TR2 | (video still processing, it's all unscripted, but that helps prepare me for the text) | Oct 27 10:59 |
| techrights-sec[2] | right but the current draft needs some real numbers even if a followup is | Oct 27 11:02 |
| techrights-sec[2] | done later | Oct 27 11:02 |
| techrights-sec[2] | https://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/2021/07/13/u-s-newsroom-employment-has-fallen-26-since-2008/ | Oct 27 11:02 |
| techrights-sec[2] | https://academic.oup.com/book/9680/chapter-abstract/156813089?redirhttps://news.northwestern.edu/stories/2022/06/ | Oct 27 11:02 |
| techrights-sec[2] | newspapers-close-decline-in-local-journalism/ | Oct 27 11:02 |
| -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-www.pewresearch.org | U.S. newsroom employment has fallen 26% since 2008 | Pew Research Center | Oct 27 11:02 | |
| techrights-sec[2] | https://www.poynter.org/business-work/2022/how-we-end-local-news-deserts/ | Oct 27 11:02 |
| -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-academic.oup.com | The Decline of Journalism since 1945 | Making News: The Political Economy of Journalism in Britain and America from the Glorious Revolution to the Internet | Oxford Academic | Oct 27 11:02 | |
| -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-www.poynter.org | How we end local news deserts - Poynter | Oct 27 11:02 | |
| schestowitz-TR2 | thanks, adding...... | Oct 27 11:02 |
| techrights-sec[2] | np | Oct 27 11:03 |
| techrights-sec[2] | plus the others you already have on file ... | Oct 27 11:03 |
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| techrights-sec[2] | https://www.techrepublic.com/article/military-intelligence-dod-finally-finally-bans-html-e-mail/ | Oct 27 11:46 |
| techrights-sec[2] | https://aty.sdsu.edu/bibliog/HTML.html | Oct 27 11:46 |
| techrights-sec[2] | https://www.networkworld.com/article/2333079/html-e-mail-not-worth-the-risk.html | Oct 27 11:46 |
| techrights-sec[2] | http://archive.birdhouse.org/etc/evilmail.html | Oct 27 11:46 |
| techrights-sec[2] | http://www.asciiribbon.org/ | Oct 27 11:46 |
| techrights-sec[2] | https://web.archive.org/web/20010824052537/http://www.georgedillon.com/web/html_email_is_evil.shtml | Oct 27 11:46 |
| -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-Military Intelligence? DoD finally (FINALLY) bans HTML e-mail | TechRepublic | Oct 27 11:46 | |
| -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-aty.sdsu.edu | Why NOT to use HTML in e-mail | Oct 27 11:46 | |
| -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-www.networkworld.com | HTML e-mail not worth the risk | Network World | Oct 27 11:46 | |
| -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-archive.birdhouse.org | Why HTML in E-Mail is a Bad Idea | Oct 27 11:46 | |
| -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-www.asciiribbon.org | The Ascii Ribbon Campaign official homepage | Oct 27 11:46 | |
| -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-web.archive.org | 7 reasons why HTML email is a bad thing | Oct 27 11:46 | |
| schestowitz-TR2 | draft | Oct 27 11:46 |
| schestowitz-TR2 | adding... | Oct 27 11:46 |
| schestowitz-TR2 | dradft | Oct 27 11:59 |
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| schestowitz-TR2 | dradft | Oct 27 12:28 |
| schestowitz-TR2 | i am paraphrasing at the moment for the blank summary | Oct 27 12:28 |
| schestowitz-TR2 | thanks | Oct 27 12:28 |
| schestowitz-TR2 | next post will take longer, it's the upc thing | Oct 27 12:28 |
| schestowitz-TR2 | video already processing | Oct 27 12:28 |
| schestowitz-TR2 | rianne just posted in TM | Oct 27 12:36 |
| schestowitz-TR2 | when when it reached the gemini stage it presented a ton of output in the CLI | Oct 27 12:36 |
| schestowitz-TR2 | I checked see see html and it's fine | Oct 27 12:36 |
| schestowitz-TR2 | in gemini I noticed the 'refresh'-like character does not show up correctly in recent notes | Oct 27 12:36 |
| schestowitz-TR2 | but shows up OK in order pages | Oct 27 12:36 |
| techrights-sec[2] | np | Oct 27 12:38 |
| techrights-sec[2] | oops | Oct 27 12:38 |
| techrights-sec[2] | checking, probably debug material got left in | Oct 27 12:38 |
| techrights-sec[2] | fixed | Oct 27 12:38 |
| techrights-sec[2] | thanks for spotting it | Oct 27 12:38 |
| techrights-sec[2] | Oct 27 12:38 | |
| schestowitz-TR2 | no worries, she caught it very fast :-) | Oct 27 12:38 |
| schestowitz-TR2 | we had another tech issue this morning when she could not find her ebay text file | Oct 27 12:38 |
| schestowitz-TR2 | but we located it OK :-) | Oct 27 12:39 |
| schestowitz-TR2 | draft | Oct 27 13:52 |
| schestowitz-TR2 | thanks to irc being quiet I've been a lot more productive this past day | Oct 27 13:52 |
| schestowitz-TR2 | even managed to sleep more! | Oct 27 13:52 |
| techrights-sec[2] | checking | Oct 27 13:56 |
| techrights-sec[2] | graft or grift ? | Oct 27 13:56 |
| techrights-sec[2] | "because of a legal commitmemnt" -> citation needed | Oct 27 13:56 |
| techrights-sec[2] | what is the connection to kaynewest? | Oct 27 13:56 |
| schestowitz-TR2 | i think grifting and graft are the same | Oct 27 13:58 |
| schestowitz-TR2 | but not grafting | Oct 27 13:58 |
| schestowitz-TR2 | I've just reworded it | Oct 27 13:58 |
| schestowitz-TR2 | i clarified why kanye mentioned | Oct 27 13:58 |
| techrights-sec[2] | Both sleep and productivity ! | Oct 27 13:59 |
| techrights-sec[2] | there are big differences both are unethical and/or illegal though | Oct 27 13:59 |
| schestowitz-TR2 | (graft/grift) | Oct 27 13:59 |
| techrights-sec[2] | thanks | Oct 27 14:01 |
| schestowitz-TR2 | the link provided covers both the uk issue and hungary issue (2018) | Oct 27 14:02 |
| schestowitz-TR2 | two in one | Oct 27 14:02 |
| techrights-sec[2] | which link ? | Oct 27 14:06 |
| techrights-sec[2] | Can it be highlighted with an illuminating sentence? | Oct 27 14:06 |
| schestowitz-TR2 | I will emphasise these points better in the next part of the series | Oct 27 14:07 |
| schestowitz-TR2 | I still don't show all the cards | Oct 27 14:07 |
| schestowitz-TR2 | also, I think sending links to MEPs gives them "more work" | Oct 27 14:07 |
| schestowitz-TR2 | better to first touch baser and check their interest | Oct 27 14:07 |
| schestowitz-TR2 | *base | Oct 27 14:07 |
| techrights-sec[2] | [citatin needed] | Oct 27 14:23 |
| schestowitz-TR2 | said the Wikipedia article, groomed with many "reputable" law firms as citations ;-) | Oct 27 14:25 |
| schestowitz-TR2 | they get paid a lot per hour, so they MUST be right | Oct 27 14:25 |
| schestowitz-TR2 | rianne found only 2 links | Oct 27 14:26 |
| schestowitz-TR2 | slow news again, it must be weekend already for site editors ;-) | Oct 27 14:26 |
| techrights-sec[2] | ack | Oct 27 14:28 |
| schestowitz-TR2 | this means I need to let it pile up a bit, then get creative with clustering to make the stories more ponent | Oct 27 14:30 |
| schestowitz-TR2 | by quantity | Oct 27 14:30 |
| schestowitz-TR2 | I took a peek, it's dry like weekends | Oct 27 14:30 |
| schestowitz-TR2 | it's a miiracle that things just magicallyh "stopped happening" in the worlsd | Oct 27 14:30 |
| schestowitz-TR2 | when journalism died | Oct 27 14:30 |
| schestowitz-TR2 | like in china... | Oct 27 14:30 |
| schestowitz-TR2 | "no news is good news; now go back to work, the price of food will double soon" | Oct 27 14:30 |
| schestowitz-TR2 | - | Oct 27 14:50 |
| schestowitz-TR2 | if you check recent entries in tuxmachines over gemini:// | Oct 27 14:50 |
| schestowitz-TR2 | you will see that headlines struggle with "special" chars | Oct 27 14:50 |
| schestowitz-TR2 | I checked older pages and they worked correctly | Oct 27 14:50 |
| schestowitz-TR2 | maybe type or char def somewhere? | Oct 27 14:50 |
| techrights-sec[2] | ack | Oct 27 15:24 |
| techrights-sec[2] | checking | Oct 27 15:24 |
| techrights-sec[2] | playing whac-a-mole with utf-8 quirks | Oct 27 15:24 |
| schestowitz-TR2 | I still have not solved all the urf woes at my end | Oct 27 15:26 |
| schestowitz-TR2 | and rely a lot of substitution hacks | Oct 27 15:26 |
| schestowitz-TR2 | so much for standards | Oct 27 15:26 |
| schestowitz-TR2 | and handling of "universal" languages | Oct 27 15:26 |
| schestowitz-TR2 | html is much of the same | Oct 27 15:26 |
| schestowitz-TR2 | kiss would have prevented at least some of this chaos | Oct 27 15:26 |
| schestowitz-TR2 | in librewold i still have some utf-8 issues | Oct 27 15:26 |
| schestowitz-TR2 | and they probablky struggle to fix those | Oct 27 15:26 |
| schestowitz-TR2 | as the firefox codebase is vast | Oct 27 15:26 |
| schestowitz-TR2 | ➲ 𝕿𝖚𝖝 𝕸𝖆𝖈𝖍𝖎𝖓𝖊𝖘 ⨦ (NEW): The GNOME Project is closing all its mailing lists ⇨ http://news.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/10/27/The_GNOME_Project_is_closing_all_its_mailing_lists.shtml | ♾ Gemini address: gemini://gemini.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/10/27/The_GNOME_Project_is_closing_all_its_mailing_lists.gmi ∎ | Oct 27 15:29 |
| -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-news.tuxmachines.org | Tux Machines — The GNOME Project is closing all its mailing lists | Oct 27 15:29 | |
| schestowitz-TR2 | abandoning email for "web" (JS crap, bloat, hard to maintain in the long run -> data loss) | Oct 27 15:30 |
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| techrights-sec[2] | The core of the problem is that bytes were misused as being synonymous with | Oct 27 15:32 |
| techrights-sec[2] | characters back in the day. Now 20+ years later, we are still dealing with | Oct 27 15:32 |
| techrights-sec[2] | the cruft and legacy. | Oct 27 15:32 |
| techrights-sec[2] | The good part in the TM work flow is that the problems have nearly all been | Oct 27 15:32 |
| techrights-sec[2] | in the last step or very close to it. Most importantly of all the data has | Oct 27 15:32 |
| techrights-sec[2] | been getting into the database in the correct encoding. So far. | Oct 27 15:32 |
| techrights-sec[2] | Not enough time is spent in most projects to remove or clean up old code. | Oct 27 15:32 |
| techrights-sec[2] | There are a lot of merits to even "just" updating to the current writing style | Oct 27 15:32 |
| techrights-sec[2] | because old mistakes will surface through that process. However, in the | Oct 27 15:32 |
| techrights-sec[2] | specific case of FF and TB you have the proble of it looking like Baker is out | Oct 27 15:32 |
| techrights-sec[2] | to slowly destroy the project from within on behalf of the "donor" Google | Oct 27 15:33 |
| techrights-sec[2] | Not just data loss but financial loss since HTML mail in general and web mail | Oct 27 15:33 |
| techrights-sec[2] | in particular make it not just feasible but easy to phish at the same time | Oct 27 15:33 |
| techrights-sec[2] | it makes it all but impossible to avoid phishing other than by acting on | Oct 27 15:33 |
| techrights-sec[2] | hunches or clues because all the real information is hidden. Beyond hiding, | Oct 27 15:33 |
| techrights-sec[2] | your old friend javascript can be used to obfuscate the true destination | Oct 27 15:33 |
| techrights-sec[2] | of various embedded links. So "hovering" over them will give a false message. | Oct 27 15:33 |
| matteobin | That's sad, I really like mailing lists. :( | Oct 27 15:35 |
| techrights-sec[2] | tbh, I was never a fan | Oct 27 15:38 |
| techrights-sec[2] | I liked knode for newsgroups better | Oct 27 15:38 |
| techrights-sec[2] | but some mail clients handle mailing lists well | Oct 27 15:38 |
| techrights-sec[2] | not the web based ones | Oct 27 15:38 |
| techrights-sec[2] | but email is "old" | Oct 27 15:38 |
| techrights-sec[2] | NNTP is "old" | Oct 27 15:38 |
| techrights-sec[2] | I wonder whose decision it was to go "CMS' | Oct 27 15:39 |
| techrights-sec[2] | with simple discussions | Oct 27 15:39 |
| matteobin | I use mutt: it's old and it rocks. So does email. Who cares if it's old? | Oct 27 15:39 |
| techrights-sec[2] | theory: | Oct 27 15:41 |
| techrights-sec[2] | people who cannot master "old" things try to impose "new" on the elders | Oct 27 15:42 |
| matteobin | Maybe | Oct 27 15:43 |
| matteobin | But I'm not old. | Oct 27 15:43 |
| matteobin | I'm 27. I was born when mutt was created. | Oct 27 15:43 |
| schestowitz-TR2 | reasons to like simpler tools: | Oct 27 15:43 |
| schestowitz-TR2 | 1) they don't change too much | Oct 27 15:44 |
| schestowitz-TR2 | 2) archiving can be simpler, portability too | Oct 27 15:44 |
| schestowitz-TR2 | I still use Palm PDA of the old generation | Oct 27 15:44 |
| matteobin | Indeed | Oct 27 15:44 |
| schestowitz-TR2 | "modern" stuff changes too fast and too often | Oct 27 15:44 |
| schestowitz-TR2 | even wordpress | Oct 27 15:44 |
| schestowitz-TR2 | because of imaginiary users | Oct 27 15:44 |
| schestowitz-TR2 | they say they make it easier for "n00bs" | Oct 27 15:45 |
| matteobin | Life's short and hard. There is no value in learning new shiny tools if it's not really worth it. | Oct 27 15:45 |
| schestowitz-TR2 | but actually they tend to further complicate the UI | Oct 27 15:45 |
| schestowitz-TR2 | and.. | Oct 27 15:45 |
| matteobin | Damn noobs! :D | Oct 27 15:45 |
| schestowitz-TR2 | they make ito harder for people who trained for the old UI | Oct 27 15:45 |
| schestowitz-TR2 | matteobin: did you read the article from Andy? | Oct 27 15:45 |
| schestowitz-TR2 | gemini://gemini.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/10/26/How_Digital_Systems_Fail_Our_Institutions_By_Dr_Andy_Farnell.gmi | Oct 27 15:46 |
| schestowitz-TR2 | gemini://gemini.techrights.org/2022/10/26/when-digital-systems-fail/index.gmi | Oct 27 15:46 |
| schestowitz-TR2 | it covers those points | Oct 27 15:46 |
| schestowitz-TR2 | how his students (he's a university teacher) struggle because they keep "improving" the system | Oct 27 15:46 |
| matteobin | I don't have a gemini client. | Oct 27 15:46 |
| schestowitz-TR2 | ok, wait | Oct 27 15:47 |
| schestowitz | http://gemini.techrights.org/proxy?url=gemini://gemini.techrights.org/2022/10/26/when-digital-systems-fail/index.gmi | Oct 27 15:49 |
| -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-gemini.techrights.org | Gemini Proxy for Techrights | Oct 27 15:49 | |
| schestowitz | ffs, firefox just fired ADS at me! | Oct 27 15:49 |
| matteobin | I'll read it. Thanks. | Oct 27 15:58 |
| schestowitz-TR2 | sorry, i messed up :( | Oct 27 16:03 |
| schestowitz-TR2 | i also need to delete firefox I think | Oct 27 16:03 |
| schestowitz-TR2 | see post from 30 secs ago | Oct 27 16:03 |
| schestowitz-TR2 | germany is priority atm because they have not ratified but MIGHT in nov of dev | Oct 27 16:03 |
| schestowitz-TR2 | *dec | Oct 27 16:03 |
| schestowitz-TR2 | we want to delay or prevent this | Oct 27 16:03 |
| schestowitz-TR2 | as we succcessfully did in 2017 | Oct 27 16:03 |
| schestowitz-TR2 | they were ABOUT to ratify | Oct 27 16:03 |
| schestowitz-TR2 | france ratified | Oct 27 16:03 |
| schestowitz-TR2 | uk cannot ratify | Oct 27 16:03 |
| schestowitz-TR2 | 3 are a MUST | Oct 27 16:03 |
| schestowitz-TR2 | (re upc) | Oct 27 16:03 |
| techrights-sec[2] | Checking | Oct 27 16:03 |
| techrights-sec[2] | not sure what the post is about but it seems related to ryan's? | Oct 27 16:03 |
| matteobin | Why do you want to delete FF? | Oct 27 16:04 |
| schestowitz-TR2 | ryan did not focus on the ads aspect | Oct 27 16:04 |
| schestowitz-TR2 | Mozilla Keeps Changing Users’ Settings to Blast Misinformation (or Present Dishonest Ads) at Them in New Tabs | Techrights ⚓ http://techrights.org/2022/10/27/mozilla-adware/ | ♾ Gemini address: gemini://gemini.techrights.org/2022/10/27/mozilla-adware/ | Oct 27 16:06 |
| -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-techrights.org | Mozilla Keeps Changing Users’ Settings to Blast Misinformation (or Present Dishonest Ads) at Them in New Tabs | Techrights | Oct 27 16:06 | |
| matteobin | That article is great! | Oct 27 16:12 |
| matteobin | THANK YOU! | Oct 27 16:12 |
| matteobin | You made my day. | Oct 27 16:12 |
| schestowitz-TR2 | :-) | Oct 27 16:12 |
| schestowitz-TR2 | I will tell Andy | Oct 27 16:12 |
| matteobin | Whenever I read thinkgs like that I feel not alone. | Oct 27 16:12 |
| matteobin | Sometimes I fear to be paranoid or mad. | Oct 27 16:12 |
| schestowitz-TR2 | he wrote many other good articles | Oct 27 16:12 |
| schestowitz-TR2 | that you can find in TR | Oct 27 16:12 |
| matteobin | At least I'm not the only one. | Oct 27 16:13 |
| schestowitz-TR2 | no, i am the same | Oct 27 16:13 |
| schestowitz-TR2 | techrights-sec[2] also | Oct 27 16:13 |
| matteobin | I should definetely change job. | Oct 27 16:13 |
| schestowitz-TR2 | "too much" fake "tech" | Oct 27 16:13 |
| schestowitz-TR2 | they're pioured out mustard all over the steak | Oct 27 16:13 |
| matteobin | Indeed. I've recently started learning C, reading The C Programming Language and it's so much better. | Oct 27 16:14 |
| matteobin | I'm touched by its simplicity yet its usefulness. | Oct 27 16:15 |
| matteobin | People keep telling me "modern" systems are good, but I don't see why FOR ME they should be great. | Oct 27 16:16 |
| schestowitz-TR2 | techrights-sec[2]: | Oct 27 16:21 |
| schestowitz-TR2 | re breyer | Oct 27 16:21 |
| schestowitz-TR2 | i want to be amici to him | Oct 27 16:21 |
| schestowitz-TR2 | not inbox nuisance | Oct 27 16:21 |
| schestowitz-TR2 | so no URLs yet | Oct 27 16:21 |
| schestowitz-TR2 | just preliminary chat | Oct 27 16:21 |
| schestowitz-TR2 | he knows TR already | Oct 27 16:21 |
| schestowitz-TR2 | and knows the issues | Oct 27 16:21 |
| schestowitz-TR2 | he hates swpats | Oct 27 16:21 |
| schestowitz-TR2 | matteobin: I sent to andy your feedback | Oct 27 16:21 |
| schestowitz-TR2 | by email | Oct 27 16:21 |
| schestowitz-TR2 | (just now) | Oct 27 16:21 |
| schestowitz-TR2 | matteobin: we still use irc | Oct 27 16:21 |
| schestowitz-TR2 | born 1988 | Oct 27 16:21 |
| schestowitz-TR2 | I adopted it when I was 14 or 13 | Oct 27 16:21 |
| schestowitz-TR2 | i still use it | Oct 27 16:22 |
| schestowitz-TR2 | it still works, even better than before | Oct 27 16:22 |
| schestowitz-TR2 | but it is compatible with 1980s systems | Oct 27 16:22 |
| schestowitz | http://techrights.org/2022/08/24/techrights-backward-compatible/ | Oct 27 16:23 |
| -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-techrights.org | Techrights Compatible With Computers From 30+ Years Ago | Techrights | Oct 27 16:23 | |
| matteobin | I've started using IRC recently, because I wanted to know people who valued the same things I value. | Oct 27 16:23 |
| schestowitz-TR2 | you can still use this channel with an old clunker from the 1980s | Oct 27 16:24 |
| schestowitz-TR2 | and the site with 1990s browsers | Oct 27 16:24 |
| matteobin | It's so refreshing to talk with people like you, really. It's hard to be the only "strange" IT guy. | Oct 27 16:24 |
| matteobin | Even my friends think I'm kind of mad. | Oct 27 16:25 |
| schestowitz-TR2 | no, we are not few | Oct 27 16:25 |
| schestowitz-TR2 | many like us | Oct 27 16:25 |
| matteobin | They don't understand, they usually think in shorterm. | Oct 27 16:25 |
| schestowitz-TR2 | but the media discards us | Oct 27 16:25 |
| schestowitz-TR2 | we're not good for its advertisers | Oct 27 16:25 |
| schestowitz-TR2 | I'm a c programmer also | Oct 27 16:25 |
| matteobin | Nice! | Oct 27 16:26 |
| schestowitz-TR2 | it's not the only domain where the people who know the trade reject a lot of its products | Oct 27 16:26 |
| schestowitz-TR2 | as insufficiency good | Oct 27 16:26 |
| matteobin | You're right. | Oct 27 16:26 |
| schestowitz-TR2 | those who follow the herd out of insecurity are ill informed | Oct 27 16:26 |
| schestowitz-TR2 | because they are ill-equipped to know the impact | Oct 27 16:26 |
| schestowitz-TR2 | like what happens when they pay with ID | Oct 27 16:27 |
| schestowitz-TR2 | (card, loyalty card, credit card) | Oct 27 16:27 |
| schestowitz-TR2 | and what happens to this data | Oct 27 16:27 |
| schestowitz-TR2 | or what that phone in the pocket does | Oct 27 16:27 |
| schestowitz-TR2 | and how much electricity it takes | Oct 27 16:27 |
| schestowitz-TR2 | and the impact of radiation | Oct 27 16:27 |
| schestowitz-TR2 | (a suppressed issue) | Oct 27 16:27 |
| schestowitz-TR2 | I'd listen to the chef, not the cook | Oct 27 16:27 |
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| schestowitz-TR2 | and certainly not the person at the till | Oct 27 16:28 |
| schestowitz-TR2 | they just want to maximise sales | Oct 27 16:28 |
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| matteobin | I host my own mail, XMPP, FTP, VoIP and web server. Some or VPS, others not. But that's the way schools or businesses should do it. | Oct 27 16:28 |
| schestowitz-TR2 | and would even inject water into the chicken to fake its size | Oct 27 16:28 |
| matteobin | Many chefs are seduced by this world. | Oct 27 16:28 |
| matteobin | Because it pays a lot of money. | Oct 27 16:28 |
| schestowitz-TR2 | > But that's the way schools or businesses should do it. | Oct 27 16:28 |
| schestowitz-TR2 | that is how they used to do it | Oct 27 16:28 |
| schestowitz-TR2 | before "clown computing" hype | Oct 27 16:29 |
| schestowitz-TR2 | like you are left behind if you don't outsource all your systems | Oct 27 16:29 |
| schestowitz-TR2 | were were there before | Oct 27 16:29 |
| schestowitz-TR2 | ICBM mainframes | Oct 27 16:29 |
| schestowitz-TR2 | and then servers got cheaper | Oct 27 16:29 |
| schestowitz-TR2 | and now we're meant to become mere "subscribers" for servers | Oct 27 16:29 |
| schestowitz-TR2 | and for phones, PCs | Oct 27 16:29 |
| schestowitz-TR2 | "enter your gmail account to start using this laptop..." | Oct 27 16:29 |
| matteobin | Yes, exactly. My high school website praises itself because they use the G-Suite. Really?! Information Freedom... | Oct 27 16:30 |
| schestowitz-TR2 | gulag is slavery | Oct 27 16:30 |
| schestowitz-TR2 | or rather | Oct 27 16:30 |
| schestowitz-TR2 | more politely, colonialism | Oct 27 16:30 |
| schestowitz-TR2 | and you can see who bankrolls this | Oct 27 16:30 |
| schestowitz-TR2 | the same country that put like 40 military bases in your country | Oct 27 16:30 |
| schestowitz-TR2 | even 80 years after the war | Oct 27 16:30 |
| matteobin | I concur! | Oct 27 16:31 |
| matteobin | You are so right. | Oct 27 16:31 |
| matteobin | It's hard to express how I feel traped by all this madness. | Oct 27 16:32 |
| matteobin | *trapped | Oct 27 16:32 |
| schestowitz-TR2 | things changed | Oct 27 16:32 |
| schestowitz-TR2 | because some european countries vote for fascists | Oct 27 16:32 |
| schestowitz-TR2 | and the media cannot stop this | Oct 27 16:32 |
| schestowitz-TR2 | nor can I | Oct 27 16:32 |
| schestowitz-TR2 | because they are fed up with colonial economy | Oct 27 16:33 |
| schestowitz-TR2 | but the people fail to see the real issue is not "the immigrants" | Oct 27 16:33 |
| schestowitz-TR2 | and we're decades to late to change it | Oct 27 16:33 |
| schestowitz-TR2 | a lot of italian [sic] cars are made in parts abroad | Oct 27 16:33 |
| schestowitz-TR2 | then assembled locally | Oct 27 16:33 |
| schestowitz-TR2 | relying on cheap labour abroad | Oct 27 16:34 |
| matteobin | Don't tell me. We've had elections recently... :'( | Oct 27 16:34 |
| techrights-sec[2] | Alex Jones' business model was actually lying. He apparently never had any | Oct 27 16:44 |
| techrights-sec[2] | other intention. | Oct 27 16:44 |
| schestowitz-TR2 | in the past, some politicians leaked material to TR | Oct 27 16:44 |
| schestowitz-TR2 | but I cannot name them or give pointers | Oct 27 16:44 |
| schestowitz-TR2 | as that can expose who they were | Oct 27 16:44 |
| schestowitz-TR2 | TR is one of those "dirty" sites some people never want to publicly admit they read | Oct 27 16:44 |
| schestowitz-TR2 | but they read it | Oct 27 16:44 |
| schestowitz-TR2 | and it is demonised | Oct 27 16:44 |
| schestowitz-TR2 | that almost all epo workers at least habitually read it says a lot | Oct 27 16:44 |
| schestowitz-TR2 | because they know how to assess veracity of sources | Oct 27 16:44 |
| schestowitz-TR2 | based on their actual track record | Oct 27 16:44 |
| schestowitz-TR2 | alex jones got in deep shit because he lies | Oct 27 16:44 |
| schestowitz-TR2 | we're ok after 16 years | Oct 27 16:44 |
| schestowitz-TR2 | no lawsuits filed, nothing to sue over | Oct 27 16:45 |
| schestowitz-TR2 | but we're demonised for truth | Oct 27 16:45 |
| schestowitz-TR2 | he's demonised for bullshit | Oct 27 16:45 |
| schestowitz-TR2 | and dog whistles | Oct 27 16:45 |
| schestowitz-TR2 | apropos, john the dr. from carlyle is demonised by the cartel in youtube | Oct 27 16:45 |
| schestowitz-TR2 | and they try to deplatform him | Oct 27 16:45 |
| schestowitz-TR2 | I don't expect to ever be "popular" with everyone | Oct 27 16:45 |
| schestowitz-TR2 | pocock failed to protect his name, imho | Oct 27 16:45 |
| schestowitz-TR2 | partly because of some tasteless thing he did in fact publish | Oct 27 16:45 |
| schestowitz-TR2 | matteobin: posted in block chunks as we use ytalk over ssh | Oct 27 16:45 |
| schestowitz-TR2 | very old school | Oct 27 16:45 |
| techrights-sec[2] | ack | Oct 27 16:48 |
| matteobin | What is TR? And what does ACK mean? | Oct 27 16:49 |
| schestowitz-TR2 | techrights | Oct 27 16:51 |
| schestowitz-TR2 | and "acknowledged" | Oct 27 16:51 |
| schestowitz-TR2 | New NHS data: COVID-19 TESTS are down. Yay!! VICTORY! We're not checking infections. | Oct 27 16:51 |
| schestowitz-TR2 | Soon 210,000 COVID-19-linked deaths in the UK. About 2000 EXTRA deaths each WEEK, not attributed to COVID-19 because we're not properly testing or checking the root causes. | Oct 27 16:51 |
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| schestowitz-TR2 | To know what's going on with COVID-19 in the UK follow ONS for estimates of fatalities/victims/casualties of the surge of COVID-19. It's about 2000 more people PER WEEK (than before pandemic). That's almost 10,000 EXTRA deaths PER MONTH. The media doesn't talk about this. | Oct 27 16:53 |
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| matteobin | How do you talk via SSH? What does EPO stand for? | Oct 27 16:56 |
| matteobin | Oh... talk is a program. I didn't know that. | Oct 27 16:59 |
| schestowitz-TR2 | talk or ytalk | Oct 27 17:00 |
| schestowitz-TR2 | EPO is European Patent Office | Oct 27 17:00 |
| schestowitz-TR2 | we posted about 4000 articles about EPO this past decade | Oct 27 17:00 |
| schestowitz-TR2 | it is the elephant in the room | Oct 27 17:00 |
| schestowitz-TR2 | super corrupt | Oct 27 17:00 |
| schestowitz-TR2 | and europe's SECOND-LARGEST org | Oct 27 17:01 |
| schestowitz-TR2 | selling monopolies to foreign firms | Oct 27 17:01 |
| matteobin | Oh... I see. | Oct 27 17:03 |
| schestowitz | http://techrights.org/wiki/EPO | Oct 27 17:05 |
| -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-techrights.org | EPO - Techrights | Oct 27 17:05 | |
| techrights-sec[2] | ack | Oct 27 17:13 |
| schestowitz-TR2 | some evil tongue about PP and Breyer also | Oct 27 17:14 |
| schestowitz-TR2 | UPC boosters got very aggressive | Oct 27 17:14 |
| schestowitz-TR2 | and they are bulldozing the law atm | Oct 27 17:14 |
| schestowitz-TR2 | hoping not to get caught | Oct 27 17:14 |
| schestowitz-TR2 | after decade of lying to client | Oct 27 17:14 |
| schestowitz-TR2 | *clients | Oct 27 17:14 |
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| techrights-sec[2] | ack | Oct 27 17:16 |
| schestowitz-TR2 | iow, epo/megacros/law firms (upc) discredit europe, eu, and "the systems" (several of them) | Oct 27 17:17 |
| schestowitz-TR2 | but the media goes out of its way to not explain what goes on | Oct 27 17:17 |
| schestowitz-TR2 | so f* them | Oct 27 17:17 |
| schestowitz-TR2 | wait, better to say, today's media is PART of "the system" | Oct 27 17:18 |
| schestowitz-TR2 | hence, it does not eat its own | Oct 27 17:18 |
| schestowitz-TR2 | and it tries to deplatform the opposition | Oct 27 17:18 |
| matteobin | Gotta go. Thank you again for the article. | Oct 27 17:20 |
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| techrights-sec[2] | ack | Oct 27 17:28 |
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| schestowitz-TR2 | yesterday was nice and calm | Oct 27 19:12 |
| schestowitz-TR2 | today started on the right track | Oct 27 19:12 |
| schestowitz-TR2 | irc is the sum total of the people in it | Oct 27 19:12 |
| schestowitz-TR2 | for now, I keep out until it settles | Oct 27 19:12 |
| schestowitz-TR2 | focusing on news | Oct 27 19:12 |
| schestowitz-TR2 | there is no _safer_ alternative to coexistence | Oct 27 19:16 |
| schestowitz-TR2 | not saner, safter | Oct 27 19:16 |
| schestowitz-TR2 | *safer | Oct 27 19:16 |
| schestowitz-TR2 | I'm reading rss links now | Oct 27 19:16 |
| schestowitz-TR2 | time wasted: 0 seconds | Oct 27 19:16 |
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| techrights-sec[2] | https://birdhouse.org/beos/byte/30-bootloader/ | Oct 27 19:28 |
| techrights-sec[2] | "I once preached peaceful coexistence with Windows. You may laugh at my expense -- I deserve it." | Oct 27 19:28 |
| -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-birdhouse.org | He Who Controls the Bootloader | Oct 27 19:28 | |
| schestowitz-TR2 | that was about Microsoft ;-) | Oct 27 19:28 |
| schestowitz-TR2 | I'm more like Ray Noorda | Oct 27 19:33 |
| schestowitz-TR2 | Microsoft is... unique | Oct 27 19:33 |
| schestowitz-TR2 | anyway, I look away and get shit done | Oct 27 19:33 |
| schestowitz-TR2 | irc has beena round for ages | Oct 27 19:33 |
| schestowitz-TR2 | it won't end without someone 'pulling a Lee' | Oct 27 19:33 |
| schestowitz-TR2 | rianne is leaving tomorrow around noon | Oct 27 19:34 |
| schestowitz-TR2 | that won't affect anything I do | Oct 27 19:34 |
| schestowitz-TR2 | I'll try to do more videos later tonioght | Oct 27 19:34 |
| schestowitz-TR2 | if you have any topics | Oct 27 19:34 |
| schestowitz-TR2 | I can see some in 'the news' but they're not "novel" or exciting | Oct 27 19:34 |
| schestowitz-TR2 | ---- | Oct 27 19:36 |
| schestowitz-TR2 | rianne's mom keeps reminding her to make lots of food and prepare | Oct 27 19:36 |
| schestowitz-TR2 | and she keeps joking about it | Oct 27 19:36 |
| schestowitz-TR2 | anyway, there is fresh cooked food, a fridge and freezer full already | Oct 27 19:36 |
| schestowitz-TR2 | and the house is very clean | Oct 27 19:36 |
| schestowitz-TR2 | ---- | Oct 27 19:38 |
| schestowitz-TR2 | poor brian fagioli, unable to attract comments | Oct 27 19:38 |
| schestowitz-TR2 | he starts provoking aqndf baiting | Oct 27 19:38 |
| schestowitz-TR2 | a very short-term strategy | Oct 27 19:38 |
| schestowitz-TR2 | nestor hates his guts for it | Oct 27 19:38 |
| schestowitz-TR2 | and really likes how TR is having a go at his drama | Oct 27 19:38 |
| schestowitz-TR2 | nestor never covers corporate/LF shit | Oct 27 19:38 |
| schestowitz-TR2 | and almost never write provocative headlines or covers controversial topics | Oct 27 19:38 |
| schestowitz-TR2 | afew hours ago I joked with rianne about how some trolls try to mess with people's temper and | Oct 27 19:41 |
| schestowitz-TR2 | cause impatience a | Oct 27 19:42 |
| schestowitz-TR2 | and how with me, unlike her, they are largely unsuccessful | Oct 27 19:42 |
| schestowitz-TR2 | I learned from a mistake I made like 18 years ago when responding to a super-nasty troll | Oct 27 19:42 |
| schestowitz-TR2 | and then got quoted without the context | Oct 27 19:42 |
| schestowitz-TR2 | anyway, with upc too, it is a political strategt | Oct 27 19:42 |
| schestowitz-TR2 | taking breaks from irc is as easy as moving to another virtual desktop on that screen and coming back | Oct 27 19:42 |
| schestowitz-TR2 | later on | Oct 27 19:42 |
| schestowitz-TR2 | with annoying news, food or exercise breaks help as well | Oct 27 19:42 |
| schestowitz-TR2 | and never typing an actual article whilst angry | Oct 27 19:42 |
| schestowitz-TR2 | because emotion and facts are separate | Oct 27 19:42 |
| schestowitz-TR2 | I learned that from OOXML saga | Oct 27 19:42 |
| techrights-sec[2] | ack | Oct 27 19:42 |
| schestowitz-TR2 | https://nitter.it/planert41/status/1585662371586101250#m | Oct 27 21:03 |
| -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-PPE (@planert41): "Someone just wrote about this http://techrights.org/2022/10/26/when-digital-systems-fail/"|nitter.it | Oct 27 21:03 | |
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