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| schestowitz__ | MinceR: yes, I noticed | Apr 28 00:06 |
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| schestowitz__ | I went to sleep when the lunacy was just getting sort of warmed up and started | Apr 28 00:06 |
| schestowitz__ | I think after daemonFuCkmind has brought up sex | Apr 28 00:07 |
| schestowitz__ | in a channel about tech | Apr 28 00:07 |
| schestowitz__ | subjects that are troll magnets | Apr 28 00:08 |
| schestowitz__ | with the likes of Garrett thriving in disruptions like these | Apr 28 00:08 |
| MinceR | lol | Apr 28 00:08 |
| schestowitz__ | but seriously though | Apr 28 00:09 |
| schestowitz__ | seeing how soylentNews was being derailed | Apr 28 00:09 |
| MinceR | child pr0n isn't merely a sex issue though | Apr 28 00:09 |
| schestowitz__ | and having posted some IRC logs from there recently | Apr 28 00:10 |
| MinceR | it's a convenient excuse for restricting human rights as they relate to technology | Apr 28 00:10 |
| schestowitz__ | MinceR: don't see why CP would have to be brought up here | Apr 28 00:10 |
| schestowitz__ | unless people look for a fight or to cause trouble | Apr 28 00:10 |
| MinceR | maybe we can get rid of people who are trying to cause trouble | Apr 28 00:10 |
| schestowitz__ | there is one person on mute | Apr 28 00:10 |
| schestowitz__ | for being here as a saboteur | Apr 28 00:11 |
| schestowitz__ | even PMing people about "Communism" and CP | Apr 28 00:11 |
| schestowitz__ | as the channel is publicly logged he gets no edge by being in it | Apr 28 00:11 |
| schestowitz__ | except maybe seeing it more in real time | Apr 28 00:12 |
| MinceR | 2 people are quieted | Apr 28 00:12 |
| MinceR | i was thinking of adding another, but i remembered your view on banning/quieting people | Apr 28 00:13 |
| schestowitz__ | it was rather quiet for ~2 weeks | Apr 28 00:21 |
| schestowitz__ | maybe better that way | Apr 28 00:21 |
| schestowitz__ | one person down now | Apr 28 00:21 |
| schestowitz__ | self-removed | Apr 28 00:21 |
| schestowitz__ | MinceR | Apr 28 01:02 |
| schestowitz__ | https://twitter.com/L_isaMarie/status/1387102776828723200 | Apr 28 01:02 |
| -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-@L_isaMarie: Hanging out in @FSF related spaces, watched a guy defending ownership of child pornography as "free speech" while a… https://t.co/1fKn9aHrXe | Apr 28 01:02 | |
| -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-@L_isaMarie: Hanging out in @FSF related spaces, watched a guy defending ownership of child pornography as "free speech" while a… https://t.co/1fKn9aHrXe | Apr 28 01:02 | |
| schestowitz__ | " | Apr 28 01:02 |
| schestowitz__ | Hanging out in @FSF | Apr 28 01:02 |
| schestowitz__ | related spaces, watched a guy defending ownership of child pornography as "free speech" while another bragged about how he "no longer wears a mask because he feels like it" | Apr 28 01:02 |
| schestowitz__ | Makes me really glad I got out | Apr 28 01:02 |
| schestowitz__ | Woman shrugging | Apr 28 01:02 |
| schestowitz__ | " | Apr 28 01:02 |
| schestowitz__ | " | Apr 28 01:02 |
| schestowitz__ | If you are curious who these gross humans are, they are the mods and community of TechRights DOT org | Apr 28 01:02 |
| schestowitz__ | A low quality blog built on dog whistles and a lack of understanding of reality | Apr 28 01:02 |
| schestowitz__ | Upside-down face | Apr 28 01:02 |
| schestowitz__ | Purple heart | Apr 28 01:02 |
| schestowitz__ | " | Apr 28 01:02 |
| schestowitz__ | https://twitter.com/rob_musial/status/1387110191057997828 | Apr 28 01:02 |
| -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-@rob_musial: @L_isaMarie that site is the worrrrst! https://t.co/jvY9eCP9y7 | Apr 28 01:02 | |
| -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-@rob_musial: @L_isaMarie that site is the worrrrst! https://t.co/jvY9eCP9y7 | Apr 28 01:02 | |
| schestowitz__ | https://twitter.com/L_isaMarie/status/1387116588021600256 | Apr 28 01:03 |
| -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-@L_isaMarie: @rob_musial The Free Software Foundation's moral & spiritual advisor At least, that's what they seem to believe 🙃 | Apr 28 01:03 | |
| schestowitz__ | Who even brought up CP? | Apr 28 01:03 |
| schestowitz__ | seems like a trolling tactic | Apr 28 01:03 |
| schestowitz__ | https://twitter.com/juha_remes/status/1387104122218889217 | Apr 28 01:03 |
| -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-@juha_remes: @L_isaMarie @fsf This is why rarely go anywhere or socialize with anyone except small circle of friends and family.… https://t.co/wK6tx6U8UV | Apr 28 01:04 | |
| -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-@juha_remes: @L_isaMarie @fsf This is why rarely go anywhere or socialize with anyone except small circle of friends and family.… https://t.co/wK6tx6U8UV | Apr 28 01:04 | |
| schestowitz__ | "This is why rarely go anywhere or socialize with anyone except small circle of friends and family. This whole "social distancing" thing became a blessing to me and now I'm pretty horrified to go back to "normal". Most IT folks are fine but there is an excessive amount of creeps." | Apr 28 01:04 |
| schestowitz__ | MinceR: of note, same people who dislike FSF dislike us too | Apr 28 01:04 |
| MinceR | :> | Apr 28 01:04 |
| schestowitz__ | so I think it's safe to say we're in good company.. | Apr 28 01:04 |
| MinceR | indeed | Apr 28 01:04 |
| schestowitz__ | afaik, the whole CP crap was brought up by the same person who rage-quit | Apr 28 01:04 |
| schestowitz__ | you provoke and then don't like what's happening | Apr 28 01:04 |
| MinceR | if they were truthful about the things they said, they'd leave the free software movement alone and focus on their SJW version of it | Apr 28 01:05 |
| MinceR | but of course they're just out to serve their corporate masters so they'll keep bothering us | Apr 28 01:05 |
| schestowitz__ | FSF fired her | Apr 28 01:05 |
| MinceR | just like how hatred/ibm had to force former GNU/Linux distributions to become systemd/Linux distributions instead of starting their distinct OS on its own | Apr 28 01:06 |
| schestowitz__ | " | Apr 28 01:06 |
| MinceR | there's also the Gnome project with their "i really hope you're a Gnome application" shit | Apr 28 01:06 |
| schestowitz__ | Makes me really glad I got out | Apr 28 01:06 |
| schestowitz__ | Woman shrugging | Apr 28 01:06 |
| schestowitz__ | " | Apr 28 01:06 |
| schestowitz__ | = I got fired | Apr 28 01:06 |
| MinceR | :> | Apr 28 01:06 |
| schestowitz__ | "got out" | Apr 28 01:06 |
| schestowitz__ | the goal is to bog down the channel | Apr 28 01:11 |
| schestowitz__ | cause infighting | Apr 28 01:11 |
| schestowitz__ | waste time | Apr 28 01:11 |
| schestowitz__ | harm morale | Apr 28 01:11 |
| schestowitz__ | anyway, good riddance, I guess | Apr 28 01:11 |
| schestowitz__ | we have some important stories coming | Apr 28 01:12 |
| schestowitz__ | messed up people recycled as Internet trolls. ex. Garrett | Apr 28 01:13 |
| schestowitz__ | very sensitive people | Apr 28 01:37 |
| schestowitz__ | asking loaded questions, wrapping up accusations within them | Apr 28 01:38 |
| schestowitz__ | that's their skills | Apr 28 01:38 |
| schestowitz__ | at the moment, I think, one mean/s towards the goal is | Apr 28 02:13 |
| schestowitz__ | bring up anti-capitalism and CP | Apr 28 02:13 |
| schestowitz__ | or just sex in general | Apr 28 02:13 |
| schestowitz__ | wait for someone to utter something inadequate | Apr 28 02:13 |
| schestowitz__ | maybe spin it out of context, too | Apr 28 02:13 |
| schestowitz__ | so the solution is, keep things on topic | Apr 28 02:14 |
| schestowitz__ | moreover, I think ryan opens up to people who try to derail the channel and move things OT | Apr 28 02:15 |
| schestowitz__ | hence I've not been replying to him much lately, except when it is about tech | Apr 28 02:15 |
| schestowitz__ | http://ipkitten.blogspot.com/2021/04/board-of-appeal-relies-on-its-own-cgk.html?showComment=1619459211845#c5109492129130276155 | Apr 28 03:51 |
| schestowitz__ | " | Apr 28 03:51 |
| -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-ipkitten.blogspot.com | Board of Appeal relies on its own CGK to support an inventive step objection without remittal to first instance (T 1370/15) - The IPKat | Apr 28 03:51 | |
| schestowitz__ | Those, dear Attentive, are really interesting and surprising observations and I thank you for them. I like your remarks on the different roles of Art 84 and 69 EPC. | Apr 28 03:51 |
| schestowitz__ | In England, litigation is supposed to be a "last resort". 90% or more declared (court-registered) patent disputes settle before trial, thanks to forensic English pre-trial fact-finding procedures. | Apr 28 03:51 |
| schestowitz__ | These procedures explore the facts that are disputed between the parties. Mostly, they concern what was the "common general knowledge" of the notional skilled person. If it was easy to determine what that cgk was, there would be no dispute before the courts and heading for trial. as to what was the cgk, there are often differences between the Parties that are decisive for the outcome of the case at trial. | Apr 28 03:51 |
| schestowitz__ | In a hard 50:50 case, where there is a genuine difference of opinion as to what was the cgk, it is therefore NOT "easy" for an ED or OD to "give a source". So much of the mental furniture of the skilled person is stuff that is so "obvious" that it "goes without saying" (as we say in English). And anything that "goes without saying" will be hard to find with a "word search" or other trawl through a library of books or patent | Apr 28 03:51 |
| schestowitz__ | publications, precisely because in the whole of the prior art universe it "went without saying". | Apr 28 03:51 |
| schestowitz__ | Looking at this case, and the way the TBA handled it, did not the Board give the patent owner more than enough opportunity to take issue with the Board's statement of what was common knowledge? If the patent owner found itself unable to argue in writing against the Board's written assessment of what was the common knowledge of the skilled person, why should the Board, at oral proceedings, have any doubts about the accuracy of its | Apr 28 03:51 |
| schestowitz__ | assessment? What's so unfair about the way this case was decided? | Apr 28 03:51 |
| schestowitz__ | " | Apr 28 03:51 |
| schestowitz__ | http://ipkitten.blogspot.com/2021/04/boeings-comma-drama-commas-and-taking.html?showComment=1619459340329#c373214409405060125 | Apr 28 03:51 |
| schestowitz__ | " | Apr 28 03:51 |
| schestowitz__ | @ Anonymous of Thursday, 22 April 2021 at 15:12:00 BST | Apr 28 03:51 |
| schestowitz__ | I beg to disagree and a more differentiated view is in my humble opinion necessary. Art 84 is to primarily be applied at the EPO. Examination should be such that any claim granted by the EPO should be clear, concise and supported by the description. | Apr 28 03:51 |
| schestowitz__ | Should this aim not have been reached, then Art 69 comes into play. The fact that Art 69 exists does not mean that clarity is to be diluted from the start and that we should from the start have to take the description into account. | Apr 28 03:51 |
| -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-ipkitten.blogspot.com | Boeing's comma drama: Commas and taking the description into account when construing a claim (T 1127/16) - The IPKat | Apr 28 03:51 | |
| schestowitz__ | I would go as far as to say that if a claim is not clear by itself, then how on Earth is it possible to say that its subject-matter is at all novel or inventive? | Apr 28 03:51 |
| schestowitz__ | I said it before, do not be surprised that with a woolly claim you face objections of lack of novelty or inventive step. But please do not come with the excuse that when you look at the description your woolly claim is crystal clear and the lack of patentability is not justified. If it is so crystal clear when one looks at the description, then why not bring it in the claim. | Apr 28 03:51 |
| schestowitz__ | The BA are right when they state in general that Art 69 is not for the EPO, but mainly for post grant procedures. | Apr 28 03:51 |
| schestowitz__ | When claims specify parts that have no clearly recognised name, then the best way to avoid an objection under Art 84 is to bring into the claim the more precise definition found in the description. It should not be required by third parties to look first at the description when trying to understand parts of the claims that have no clearly recognised name. | Apr 28 03:51 |
| schestowitz__ | I fully understand the temptation to have leave some lack of determination in a claim so as to catch a maximum of potential infringers, but this is not what Art 84 allows. | Apr 28 03:51 |
| schestowitz__ | " | Apr 28 03:51 |
| Techrights-sec2 | looks like a lot of spider traffic indexing the capsule then | Apr 28 08:12 |
| schestowitz__ | about 50% | Apr 28 08:12 |
| schestowitz__ | earlier on the TR site was hammered again on the news section, /category/news (high b/w, hence a target), so I left tmux on the config file where 3 lines can be uncommented if it happens again (and I'm afk). This also happened yesterday and maybe we can deploy the file swapper on that site too, if it becomes a daily strain. | Apr 28 09:31 |
| schestowitz__ | I've also expanded a wee bit the log thrasher for gemini, very simple script | Apr 28 09:32 |
| Techrights-sec2 | https://www.patrick-breyer.de/en/posts/terrorist-content-online-terreg-regulation/ | Apr 28 09:32 |
| -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-www.patrick-breyer.de | Terrorist Content Online (TERREG Regulation) – Patrick Breyer | Apr 28 09:33 | |
| schestowitz__ | well spotted | Apr 28 16:35 |
| Techrights-sec2 | it just started, there had been calm the rest of the time | Apr 28 16:36 |
| schestowitz__ | 1500+ heavy reqs in 30 secs, usually even hundreds are enough to cause harm | Apr 28 16:36 |
| Techrights-sec2 | I saw it after it had already gotten up over 1000 | Apr 28 16:37 |
| schestowitz__ | Muppet Labs, EPO, who knows.... | Apr 28 16:37 |
| Techrights-sec2 | They're probably careful to outsource the dirty work these days. | Apr 28 16:38 |
| schestowitz__ | I recently started wondering about retirement so I can focus 100% on the sites, even if they make no money | Apr 28 16:39 |
| Techrights-sec2 | You can probably put away double retirement investments for some years and | Apr 28 16:42 |
| Techrights-sec2 | then cash out earlier. Otherwise, most of the other ways are highly | Apr 28 16:42 |
| Techrights-sec2 | questionable and usually unethical if also at the same time common. | Apr 28 16:42 |
| schestowitz__ | maybe we could pull if off if it weren't for inflation | Apr 28 16:42 |
| Techrights-sec2 | It is important to plan ahead for a reasonable amount of inlfation and | Apr 28 16:45 |
| Techrights-sec2 | other cost-of-living increases. | Apr 28 16:45 |
| Techrights-sec2 | Repair work is about 4x to 5x these days what it was not long ago, at | Apr 28 16:45 |
| Techrights-sec2 | least here. | Apr 28 16:45 |
| schestowitz__ | for now the job is manageable and I am used to it. Maybe it'll be my last "normal" job. Time will tell... | Apr 28 16:45 |
| Techrights-sec2 | Best to get more settled financially first. | Apr 28 16:50 |
| schestowitz__ | https://www.linuxuprising.com/2021/04/zellij-is-new-terminal-multiplexer.html | Apr 28 17:13 |
| -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-www.linuxuprising.com | Zellij Is A New Terminal Multiplexer Written In Rust - Linux Uprising Blog | Apr 28 17:13 | |
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| schestowitz__ | > Dear Roy | Apr 28 17:53 |
| schestowitz__ | > | Apr 28 17:53 |
| schestowitz__ | > Just to confirm that I will check the two main issues I identified in | Apr 28 17:53 |
| schestowitz__ | > the previous email: a) Jurisdiction and b) Freedom of expression. | Apr 28 17:53 |
| schestowitz__ | At one point you may also wish to contact Ben as he too was banned, one day apart from me, for the same reason. It was about patents on vaccines. | Apr 28 17:53 |
| schestowitz__ | Making up excuses later, along the lines of formality, only obscures things. | Apr 28 17:53 |
| schestowitz__ | What I said wasn't even particularly controversial. I saw and collected HUNDREDS of articles on this topic since then. Many NGOs agree with me. | Apr 28 17:53 |
| schestowitz__ | > As I mentioned, the starting point is the first one, the jurisdictional | Apr 28 17:53 |
| schestowitz__ | > issue. I will start the enquiries soon and will update you accordingly. | Apr 28 17:53 |
| schestowitz__ | > I may need to ask you at some point for more details or to involve you | Apr 28 17:53 |
| schestowitz__ | > directly, as I am not personally affected and hence, I cannot show | Apr 28 17:53 |
| schestowitz__ | > personal detriment for the purpose of appeal, etc. But we will write the | Apr 28 17:53 |
| schestowitz__ | > letters together. | Apr 28 17:53 |
| schestowitz__ | Thanks. | Apr 28 17:53 |
| schestowitz__ | > My plan is to identify public bodies, independent regulatory authorities | Apr 28 17:53 |
| schestowitz__ | > and other governmental/parliamentary bodies that deal with these matters | Apr 28 17:53 |
| schestowitz__ | > either in regulatory/adjudicating capacity or in policy-making. | Apr 28 17:53 |
| schestowitz__ | Good. | Apr 28 17:53 |
| schestowitz__ | > I agree that the matter is of wider concern, so it is worth pursuing it | Apr 28 17:53 |
| schestowitz__ | > anyway, but your case is important, as your voice is expressed at a very | Apr 28 17:53 |
| schestowitz__ | > specialised level that is usually beyond public scrutiny. | Apr 28 17:54 |
| schestowitz__ | Notice how EPO isn't criticised in the media. At all! See http://techrights.org/2021/04/15/bundestagate-part-19/ | Apr 28 17:54 |
| schestowitz__ | > Please feel free to send me any information or thoughts, as you think | Apr 28 17:54 |
| -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-techrights.org | EPOLeaks on Misleading the Bundestag — Part 19: The Deafening Silence of the Media | Techrights | Apr 28 17:54 | |
| schestowitz__ | > appropriate. | Apr 28 17:54 |
| schestowitz__ | > | Apr 28 17:54 |
| schestowitz__ | > I am placing this in my working weekly schedule; I have also other work | Apr 28 17:54 |
| schestowitz__ | > commitments and will soon have to relocate, but we will gradually build | Apr 28 17:54 |
| schestowitz__ | > the case for more control on Twitter and for the opening of your | Apr 28 17:54 |
| schestowitz__ | > personal page. | Apr 28 17:54 |
| schestowitz__ | Recent and of interest, regarding EPO: | Apr 28 17:54 |
| schestowitz__ | http://techrights.org/2021/04/16/bundestagate-part-20/ | Apr 28 17:54 |
| schestowitz__ | http://techrights.org/2021/03/22/epoleaks-report-march-2021-finale/ | Apr 28 17:54 |
| schestowitz__ | Truth is harder to publish then lies. Sometimes... | Apr 28 17:54 |
| -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-techrights.org | EPOLeaks on Misleading the Bundestag — Part 20: Taking Stock | Techrights | Apr 28 17:54 | |
| -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-techrights.org | EPO and Microsoft Collude to Break the Law — Summing Up: EPO Administrative Council Still Asleep at the Wheel | Techrights | Apr 28 17:54 | |
| schestowitz__ | *then | Apr 28 17:55 |
| schestowitz__ | *than | Apr 28 17:55 |
| schestowitz__ | https://joindiaspora.com/posts/20587887#28116660865a0139021100505681eeb8 | Apr 28 17:59 |
| -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: How much did #microsoft pay blogs to commandeer them for #windows spam that's #googlebombing "LINUX" just because they added a small "g" to old crap nobody uses? http://techrights.org/2020/05/06/wsl2-usage-numbers/ | Apr 28 17:59 | |
| schestowitz__ | "added a small "g"? is it now WSgL, Windows Subsystem for gNU/Linux?" | Apr 28 17:59 |
| -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell--> techrights.org | Only About 150,000 People Worldwide Use WSL2 (Windows Subsystem for Linux) | Techrights | Apr 28 18:00 | |
| schestowitz__ | Microsoft wouldn't know GNU even if a live gnu trampled all over it like in Lion King | Apr 28 18:00 |
| schestowitz__ | https://joindiaspora.com/posts/20583869#bc7a942085f30139021100505681eeb8 | Apr 28 18:00 |
| -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: The corporate version of “diversity and inclusion” has become the equivalent of "we value your privacy" in Web sites. They try to portray themselves as the very opposite of what they really are... | Apr 28 18:00 | |
| schestowitz__ | " | Apr 28 18:00 |
| schestowitz__ | “your call is very important to us” | Apr 28 18:00 |
| schestowitz__ | the lies corps tell us | Apr 28 18:00 |
| schestowitz__ | " | Apr 28 18:00 |
| schestowitz__ | Yeah, another one of those... | Apr 28 18:00 |
| schestowitz__ | https://joindiaspora.com/posts/20558135#41f4cd5083890139020900505681eeb8 | Apr 28 18:02 |
| -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: Something bugging you in Fedora Linux? Let’s get it fixed! • 𝕿𝖚𝖝 𝕸𝖆𝖈𝖍𝖎𝖓𝖊𝖘 ⇨ http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/150161 •●• #GNU #Linux #TuxMachines | Apr 28 18:02 | |
| schestowitz__ | "shall we tell them about misalignments with free software and excessive dependencies on proprietary technologies and corporations, or do they not care that these bug us?" | Apr 28 18:02 |
| -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell--> www.tuxmachines.org | Something bugging you in Fedora Linux? Let’s get it fixed! | Tux Machines | Apr 28 18:02 | |
| schestowitz__ | https://joindiaspora.com/posts/20549016#d97a3cc082810139020900505681eeb8 | Apr 28 18:02 |
| -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-Not a Diaspora post? | Apr 28 18:02 | |
| schestowitz__ | "plaincryption?" | Apr 28 18:02 |
| schestowitz__ | Plainsmission | Apr 28 18:02 |
| schestowitz__ | https://joindiaspora.com/posts/20442044#657dc70076bc013901e900505681eeb8 | Apr 28 18:04 |
| -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: Be careful of so-called 'journalists' who are in fact IBM-FUNDED operatives or hacks. I could not some of them, but would rather not make this personal. They'd demonise any IBM critic right now to secure their 'journalism' salary... | Apr 28 18:04 | |
| schestowitz__ | "I still pity them for having to somehow portray the real struggle against injustice as irrelevant, fringe or personality cult. I expect they’re smart enough to realize, at some level, that they’re undermining their own freedoms. they wouldn’t be able to come up with such untestable hypotheses of a supposed monster in the garage otherwise. (background: https://www.lesswrong.com/posts/CqyJzDZWvGhhFJ7dY/belief-in-belief and | Apr 28 18:04 |
| -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-www.lesswrong.com | Belief in Belief - LessWrong | Apr 28 18:04 | |
| schestowitz__ | sagan’s article it references and builds upon)" | Apr 28 18:04 |
| schestowitz__ | https://joindiaspora.com/posts/20486691#7479d0307bdf013901fb00505681eeb8 | Apr 28 18:05 |
| -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-Not a Diaspora post? | Apr 28 18:05 | |
| schestowitz__ | "#somebodyshould create a retraction and apology letter to be signed by people who were misled into signing the hate letter but now can't take their names out" | Apr 28 18:05 |
| schestowitz__ | Some people still manage to get their names out THIS WEEK: http://techrights.org/2021/04/27/anti-fsf-petition-flailing/ | Apr 28 18:05 |
| -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-techrights.org | The Anti-FSF Petition of GNOME Foundation and OSI Continues Losing Signatures | Techrights | Apr 28 18:05 | |
| schestowitz__ | https://joindiaspora.com/posts/20311541#a83b8dd069d5013901d300505681eeb8 | Apr 28 18:06 |
| -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: cruel system http://www.fsfla.org/ikiwiki/blogs/lxo/2021-03-17-cruel-system.en.html like having to promote or create #proprietarySoftware to make a living? | Apr 28 18:06 | |
| -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-Could not resolve host: www.fsfla.org; Unknown error ( status 0 @ http://www.fsfla.org/ikiwiki/blogs/lxo/2021-03-17-cruel-system.en.html ) | Apr 28 18:06 | |
| schestowitz__ | " | Apr 28 18:06 |
| schestowitz__ | though “freedom or death” is a thing, I’d hesitate before making that comparison; it might freeze my positronic circuits ;-D | Apr 28 18:06 |
| schestowitz__ | it’s really hard to compare. like, if I were to be forced to promote or create nonfree software, that wouldn’t put my life at risk, even though I’d be miserable and might have thoughts of putting an end to my hypothetical misery | Apr 28 18:06 |
| schestowitz__ | now, nonfree software is really part of this dreaded system, so promoting and reinforcing it does indirectly lead to more than the evils normally assigned by us to nonfree software, including the deaths caused by that system | Apr 28 18:06 |
| schestowitz__ | but since there are so many intermediate agents involved, it becomes a lot harder to reason about the broader ethical implications. | Apr 28 18:06 |
| schestowitz__ | and then, some people (like the .br president) seem to take strong offense upon encountering suggestions that they’re even partially responsible for genocide, so I’m not sure I’d want to advance such an argument in relation to promotion of nonfree software, even if I were fully on board with it. it sounds like it could backfire and thus not bring about positive change. | Apr 28 18:06 |
| schestowitz__ | " | Apr 28 18:06 |
| schestowitz__ | Genocide might be the wrong term unless COVID only affects a particular ethnicity or genetic ("gen"/racial) group | Apr 28 18:07 |
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| schestowitz__ | https://joindiaspora.com/posts/20486691#a366c0208a730139021d00505681eeb8 | Apr 28 18:28 |
| -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: Turns out, I'm told now ("they don't want any more individuals to sign up for some reason. oddly, that decision came after several people submitted pull requests asking to get de-listed") that the real number of signatures on #RMS defamation and hate letter may be going down. So they froze it. LOL. | Apr 28 18:28 | |
| schestowitz__ | "and anyone who faces difficulties revoking their signatures please get in touch, I know someone who’s eager to do something about it" | Apr 28 18:28 |
| schestowitz__ | Send me email about it and maybe I can work with that person to do justice... | Apr 28 18:28 |
| schestowitz__ | https://joindiaspora.com/posts/20549016#5a5689508a730139021d00505681eeb8 | Apr 28 18:28 |
| -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: I think we need a catchy new term for fake #encryption (wherein states and parties in the middle see everything). Maybe fakeryption? | Apr 28 18:28 | |
| schestowitz__ | "crypto as in currency >-)" | Apr 28 18:28 |
| schestowitz__ | https://joindiaspora.com/posts/20311541#2a5d41508a730139021d00505681eeb8 | Apr 28 18:28 |
| -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: cruel system http://www.fsfla.org/ikiwiki/blogs/lxo/2021-03-17-cruel-system.en.html like having to promote or create #proprietarySoftware to make a living? | Apr 28 18:29 | |
| schestowitz__ | "I agree genocide when applied to as diverse a population as the Brazilian one is a bit of a misnomer. I welcome suggestions of more accurate terms." | Apr 28 18:29 |
| schestowitz__ | Brazil is probably the most racially diverse population in the planet | Apr 28 18:29 |
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