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Techrights-sec2when is the migration?May 30 07:53
Techrights-sec2http://techrights.org/irc-archives/irc-log-techrights-290521.html#tMay%2029%2023:22:53 May 30 07:53
-TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-techrights.org | IRC: #techrights @ FreeNode: Saturday, May 29, 2021May 30 07:53
schestowitzwe now have self-hosted IRC -- an upgrade for sure. Regarding wordpress, we might move off it when this version that we use if no longer receiving security patchesMay 30 07:54
schestowitzI see that gemini grew in usage lately, maybe partly because of a youtube shoutoutMay 30 07:58
schestowitzhttp://techrights.org/irc-archives/irc-log-techrights-290521.html#tMay%2029%2018:45:16May 30 08:08
-TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-techrights.org | IRC: #techrights @ FreeNode: Saturday, May 29, 2021May 30 08:08
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schestowitzhttps://odysee.com/@BrodieRobertson:5/freenode-hijacks-700-rooms-promoting:5May 30 08:08
-TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-odysee.com | Freenode Hijacks 700 Rooms Promoting LiberaChatMay 30 08:08
schestowitz# ?May 30 08:08
schestowitzRobertson is right. It seemed benign until the channel confiscations, we've been needing to move, to the degree possible, to self-hosted IRC as a contingency. Freenode was problematic and risky before and after the exodus, and I never wanted to get caught in the drama.May 30 08:09
schestowitzin fact, self-hosting IRC channels, like self-hosted git, is a case of walking the walk and something we can openly advocate as means of improving digital autonomy. FSF might follow.May 30 08:11
schestowitzx https://siliconangle.com/2021/05/28/dockers-partnership-with-snyk-focuses-on-developer-first-security-dockercon/May 30 08:19
-TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-siliconangle.com | Docker's partnership with Snyk focuses on developer-first security - SiliconANGLEMay 30 08:19
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schestowitzx https://writing.kemitchell.com/2021/05/24/The-Luck-of-Open-Source.htmlMay 30 08:19
-TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-writing.kemitchell.com | The Luck of Open Source — /dev/lawyerMay 30 08:19
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schestowitzx https://translate.google.com/translate?depth=1&hl=en&prev=search&rurl=translate.google.co.uk&sl=da&u=https://www.version2.dk/artikel/skat-forsvarer-brug-teams-paahviler-enkelte-medarbejder-at-behandle-oplysninger-sikkert?utm_medium=feed&utm_source=www.version2.dkMay 30 08:19
-TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-translate.google.com | Google TranslateMay 30 08:19
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Techrights-sec2Yes, self-hosting the IRC channels is an important move.May 30 08:31
schestowitzmaybe the logs past midnight are the ones detailing the plan to get off systemd, eventually.... the emotional impulses kicking in are not a new thing/problem, but we can cope OKMay 30 08:32
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Techrights-sec2Ok, I'll check them tomorrowMay 30 08:48
Techrights-sec2In general, in more than just the IRC case, the frenetic, thoughtless reactionsMay 30 08:48
Techrights-sec2of the herd are exploited by individuals and groups wishing to divide andMay 30 08:48
Techrights-sec2disrupt FOSSMay 30 08:48
schestowitzthis is how I see this too, with things like politics used as a non-technical wedgeMay 30 08:49
schestowitzTechrights-sec2: MinceR also has some IRC backend skills, AFAIK, so we have onboard what it takes not to be undermined so easily in this fashionMay 30 08:50
schestowitzCrystalMath cried over this yesterday; all those wars take their toll on people, but we need to get back on top of the key topicMay 30 08:51
Techrights-sec2part of it is the FB-style divisiveness, it's inability to allow people May 30 08:54
Techrights-sec2to compartmentalizeMay 30 08:54
Techrights-sec2people can, for example, collaborate in FOSS projects despite preferringMay 30 08:55
Techrights-sec2unacceptable flavors of food, to pick a lame metaphorMay 30 08:55
Techrights-sec2anyway, I see the new LXC container on HVMay 30 08:55
schestowitzit can be added to a backup routine at some pointMay 30 08:56
Techrights-sec2I am unfamliar with IRCd, is there anything special to know about backignMay 30 08:58
Techrights-sec2it up to off-site?May 30 08:58
Techrights-sec2$ ssh 23.161.112.117May 30 08:58
Techrights-sec2ssh: connect to host 23.161.112.117 port 22: Connection refusedMay 30 08:58
schestowitzaccess it like a container: sudo lxc-attachMay 30 08:59
schestowitzpast midnight the chat moved towards how to better federate IRC, and generally have more servers out there rather than few giants. Maybe if we 'master' this IRC thing we can start doing articles and videos about how to do all that...May 30 09:00
schestowitzmaybe openssh is not installed on that container, which would be understandableMay 30 09:01
Techrights-sec2ok, but that makes it accessible for configuration not necessarily backupMay 30 09:01
Techrights-sec2yes, that's probably best, perhaps there is an established best practiceMay 30 09:03
Techrights-sec2for legacy (LXC) containers and backupsMay 30 09:03
Techrights-sec2Anyway, it is lean:May 30 09:03
Techrights-sec2# ps | wc -lMay 30 09:03
Techrights-sec218May 30 09:03
schestowitzI am certain there are piping tricks from hv or some place on disk that can be access directly and send outwards, and likely not sophisticated beyond comprehensionMay 30 09:03
Techrights-sec2it might be that lxc-clone would be useful to make a snapshot on HV and then useMay 30 09:07
Techrights-sec2rsync to copy the clone from HVMay 30 09:07
schestowitzsounds like a safe thing to try as clone implies no changes made to the originalMay 30 09:07
Techrights-sec2# man lxc-cloneMay 30 09:09
Techrights-sec2/bin/ash: man: not foundMay 30 09:09
Techrights-sec2no idaMay 30 09:09
Techrights-sec2ideaMay 30 09:09
Techrights-sec2 $ lxc-cloneMay 30 09:11
Techrights-sec2-ash: lxc-clone: not foundMay 30 09:11
Techrights-sec2there is not a separate package with that name nor anything with that stringMay 30 09:19
Techrights-sec2in the description so maybe it is a configuration option which must be enabled?May 30 09:19
Techrights-sec2I'm reluctant to poke around and experiment with a production system. May 30 09:19
schestowitzI think the priorities at the moment are by all means infra related, given that we finished the EPO series and got a  favourable outcome. I'll have a  look later today as news is also slow.May 30 09:20
Techrights-sec2Can wordpress be mirrored at another site for failover?May 30 09:21
schestowitzit is always a good idea to have mirrors in case of D-R and other unplanned events. But you know the specs for such a machine, inc. connection, exceed what a home raspi can provideMay 30 09:22
schestowitz[21:32] <xxxxxx> I think it makes most sense for you to control your own infra and thus maybe make a donation fund of some kind.  I'm happy to donate into it, public or privately.May 30 09:23
schestowitz[21:32] <xxxxxx> This deplatforming thing is going to get out of hand, but it might end up being a good thing and decentralizing the internet again so to speak.May 30 09:23
schestowitz[21:33] <schestowitz> hosting is expensive and it's risky when we depend on aligning with someone else's POVMay 30 09:23
schestowitz[21:33] <xxxxxx> ExactlyMay 30 09:23
schestowitz[02:51] <xxxxxx> fosshost might be a good option too btw ;)May 30 09:23
schestowitz[02:51] <schestowitz> we're fine as it is, but thanks for the pointerMay 30 09:23
schestowitz[02:53] <xxxxxxxxxxxx> No problem!May 30 09:23
Techrights-sec2Yes, it would obviously be more beefyMay 30 09:24
Techrights-sec2I was looking at units this morning but the new ones would be outside May 30 09:24
Techrights-sec2my price range.May 30 09:24
Techrights-sec2I agree,and hopefully a positive outcome from these many (artificial) crisesMay 30 09:30
Techrights-sec2is that more re-decentralization happensMay 30 09:30
schestowitzwe are a lot better prepared for this than our so-called 'competition', hence we manage to turn 15. Wikileaks collapsed after about 12, partly because of those divide-and-rule games, plus blackmail on Moreno.May 30 09:31
Techrights-sec2https://slimbook.es/en/store/slimbook-one/one-ryzen-7-4800h-comprarMay 30 09:31
Techrights-sec28 cores onlyMay 30 09:31
-TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-slimbook.es | ONE : ONEMay 30 09:31
schestowitzthroughput from home networks would not be enough, even for static site, if we do videosMay 30 09:32
Techrights-sec2I've thought about that.  A second, dedicated line would be needed just for TRMay 30 09:32
Techrights-sec2But 1Gb/s is too easily saturatedMay 30 09:33
schestowitzI cannot find it in (even) Google, but over 5 years ago when Rick Falkvinge had a site, which he was hosting from home, he had about 3 days' downtime due to his ISP being crapMay 30 09:34
schestowitzSLAs for a home and a datacentre with lots of tenants will never be the sameMay 30 09:35
Techrights-sec2I kind of recall that too, but the grenades come to mind more May 30 09:37
Techrights-sec2However, moving to a static site would enable easy mirroring with May 30 09:37
Techrights-sec2Round-Robin DNS or somethingMay 30 09:37
Techrights-sec2Host at home will mean downtime for minutes or hours per yearMay 30 09:37
Techrights-sec2But with several mirrors that can be minimized over allMay 30 09:37
Techrights-sec2Going static would reduce the need for hefty CPUs tooMay 30 09:37
schestowitz1. certain we will go static one day 2. will need to sort out how to manage round robins with reliable sources (hashes/checksums), maybe there's software for that already, if not, might need to develop itMay 30 09:38
schestowitzover the past 2-3 years we became more of a technical front, developing and advocating solutions to emergent or growing issues, namely 'cancel' and 'deplatforming'. The hope is that more will then follow, e.g. ipfs, self-hosted capsulesMay 30 09:41
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Techrights-sec2there are several good movements: small web, re-decentralization, gemini, etcMay 30 09:52
Techrights-sec2The cancel stuff is highly weaponized and plays on social control mediaMay 30 09:52
Techrights-sec2and people's mindless rabidity onlineMay 30 09:52
Techrights-sec2with the static site, the old stuff can be extracted and made static likeMay 30 09:52
Techrights-sec2has been done with Gemini.  Then anything new can be made withMay 30 09:52
Techrights-sec2a static site generator on a small server and then pushed out toMay 30 09:52
Techrights-sec2the active mirrors using rsyncMay 30 09:52
Techrights-sec2https://www.digitalocean.com/community/tutorials/how-to-configure-dns-round-robin-load-balancing-for-high-availabilityMay 30 09:52
-TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-www.digitalocean.com | How To Configure DNS Round-Robin Load-Balancing For High-Availability | DigitalOceanMay 30 09:52
Techrights-sec2Then the active mirrors do not need high privacy and could be smallMay 30 09:52
Techrights-sec2units spread out over multiple data centresMay 30 09:52
Techrights-sec2I guess even wget could be used to convert the existing site to static pages.May 30 09:52
schestowitzwith gemini we can already do an experiment with round robin if you want.. e.g. you keeping a copy of the capsule and me setting dns differently. For a while we had australia (well, tasmania) instance for gemini... until the banana pi was taken offlineMay 30 09:53
schestowitzat the moment if my home connection is down there's no way, not even a web proxy, for access to the capsuleMay 30 09:54
schestowitzOliva and RMS are giving a talk tomorrow. They recently did a paper + presentation that mentioned gemini, I think Oliva was influenced by TRMay 30 09:55
schestowitzat the very least we can have multiple gemini addresses, a primary/secondary or peer address, which in turn points to  a peer/mirror. I don't have limits that I know of for subdomains or maybe I'm nowhere near the limitMay 30 09:56
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Techrights-sec2no new subdomains would be needed but would be usefulMay 30 10:28
Techrights-sec2the round-robin DNS works by assigning multiple IP addresses to a singleMay 30 10:28
Techrights-sec2domainMay 30 10:28
schestowitzI was thinking more like gemini.techrights.org (round robin ha) and then g1.techrights.org, g2.techrights.org, g3.techrights.org, and so on... (no need to hard-code static IPs into the main one, can also bypass the main one)May 30 10:29
schestowitzI have meanwhile made changes so as to fuse together the self-hosted and the freenode channels. This way there is duality of sorts, I'm just testing it a bit more...May 30 10:30
schestowitz__this is self-hosting testMay 30 10:31
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Techrights-sec2gemini.techrights.org could point to g3.techrights.org, etc.  that's May 30 11:07
Techrights-sec2kind of how it would work.  But the load for Gemini is not as heavy as forMay 30 11:07
Techrights-sec2HTTPMay 30 11:07
Techrights-sec2HTTP has the bandwidth load as well as the CPU loadMay 30 11:07
Techrights-sec2https://system76.com/servers/jacp12b/configureMay 30 11:07
-TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-system76.com | Configure your Jackal Pro 1U - System76May 30 11:07
schestowitzI've just settled and tested all the IRC logging. We're not decentralised and semi-self-hosted, no single point of failureMay 30 11:07
schestowitz*we're nowMay 30 11:08
Techrights-sec2Ok good.  May 30 11:12
schestowitzsetting up gemini mirror would involve: copying across ~/gemini or rsyncing it across, then starting agate, adding the key+cert pair. If the domain directs to that it can be considered trustworthy.May 30 11:30
schestowitzno need to generate anything on mirror, just rsync across, assuming it's OK to have one "master" ('primary') and then clones around itMay 30 11:31
schestowitzbonus: we might ever be the world's first clustered gemini capsule, not just the biggestMay 30 11:32
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Techrights-secBy the way, these two go together:May 30 15:22
Techrights-sechttp://techrights.org/2021/05/28/rms-swpats-talk/May 30 15:22
Techrights-secrms-on-patents.transcript.txtMay 30 15:22
Techrights-secI thinkMay 30 15:22
Techrights-sec"re-decentralize"May 30 15:22
Techrights-secin draft titleMay 30 15:22
-TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-techrights.org | Old Talk by Dr. Richard Stallman About How Patents Work | TechrightsMay 30 15:22
schestowitzThanks, I will correct this, it is still transcording (just started)May 30 15:22
schestowitztranscript addedMay 30 15:35
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Techrights-secthanks.  the transcripts help, especially in GeminiMay 30 19:22
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