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| schestowitz | "The software is licensed, not sold. Microsoft reserves all other rights. Unless applicable law gives you more rights despite this limitation, you will not (and have no right to): | Jul 03 09:45 |
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| schestowitz | https://www.lobe.ai/license | Jul 03 09:46 |
| -TechBytesBot/#techbytes-www.lobe.ai | Lobe | Machine Learning Made Easy | Jul 03 09:46 | |
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| schestowitz | MinceR: this is about a month old | Jul 03 12:45 |
| schestowitz | no longer relevant, worth sharing for trasparency's sake: | Jul 03 12:45 |
| schestowitz | [00:09] <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> hi | Jul 03 12:45 |
| schestowitz | [00:10] <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> for various reasons, i dont want to host things on my network anymore that i am not directly responsible for. can we work together to find new hosting arrangements for xxxxx? | Jul 03 12:45 |
| schestowitz | [00:12] <schestowitz> I agree that the IRC channel in freenode attracted some unsavoury words and views | Jul 03 12:45 |
| schestowitz | [00:12] <schestowitz> maybe we can make the two networks disjoint | Jul 03 12:45 |
| schestowitz | [00:13] <schestowitz> the one that's officially ours | Jul 03 12:45 |
| schestowitz | [00:13] <schestowitz> and freenode | Jul 03 12:46 |
| schestowitz | [00:13] <schestowitz> this way the problem of intrusion by unknown crazies goes away | Jul 03 12:46 |
| schestowitz | [00:13] <schestowitz> I actually thought about it last week | Jul 03 12:46 |
| schestowitz | [00:14] <schestowitz> we can then 'sanitise' away things we don't wish Techrights to be associated with. Tux Machines had a spam problem and when we closed new registrations the abuse problem basically went away and there were no fights anymore. | Jul 03 12:46 |
| schestowitz | [00:14] <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> this isnt about the IRC channel | Jul 03 12:46 |
| schestowitz | [00:14] <schestowitz> The site itself does not carry such viewss | Jul 03 12:46 |
| schestowitz | [00:14] <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> this is about not wanting to host things that i am not responsible for | Jul 03 12:46 |
| schestowitz | [00:15] <schestowitz> it tends to be IRC | Jul 03 12:46 |
| schestowitz | [00:15] <schestowitz> and that is not part of the site except as a thitd paty forum | Jul 03 12:46 |
| schestowitz | [00:15] <schestowitz> Phoronix has the same problem | Jul 03 12:46 |
| schestowitz | [00:15] <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> i feel obligated to explain myself to people over things that other people are doing with their own projects, and i do not wish to be in this position anymore | Jul 03 12:46 |
| schestowitz | [00:15] <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> it is really just as simple as that | Jul 03 12:46 |
| schestowitz | [00:15] <schestowitz> you don't need to tell them about the hosting | Jul 03 12:46 |
| schestowitz | [00:16] <schestowitz> they try to make voices go away | Jul 03 12:46 |
| schestowitz | [00:16] <schestowitz> and let them talk to me directly | Jul 03 12:46 |
| schestowitz | [00:16] <schestowitz> I would not be rude | Jul 03 12:46 |
| schestowitz | [00:16] <schestowitz> don't let them press you about that | Jul 03 12:46 |
| schestowitz | [00:16] <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> but this does not really solve the quandary i find myself in | Jul 03 12:46 |
| schestowitz | [00:17] <schestowitz> who was putting pressure and why? | Jul 03 12:46 |
| schestowitz | [00:17] <schestowitz> I can only make guesses | Jul 03 12:46 |
| schestowitz | [00:17] <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> well, matthew and myself share a lot of the same friends | Jul 03 12:46 |
| schestowitz | [00:17] <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> for one | Jul 03 12:46 |
| schestowitz | [00:17] <schestowitz> but it would be the right thing to not allow voices to vanish by pressure and threats (I mean the site, not IRC) | Jul 03 12:46 |
| schestowitz | [00:17] <schestowitz> matthew just keeps trying to silence people | Jul 03 12:46 |
| schestowitz | [00:18] <schestowitz> and he's inciting against me based on a falsehood | Jul 03 12:46 |
| schestowitz | [00:18] <schestowitz> he has a grudge with baronsomething | Jul 03 12:46 |
| schestowitz | [00:18] <schestowitz> he has spent years trying to silence us, even before you hosted the site | Jul 03 12:46 |
| schestowitz | [00:18] <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> i see | Jul 03 12:46 |
| schestowitz | [00:19] <schestowitz> he has connections | Jul 03 12:46 |
| schestowitz | [00:19] <schestowitz> and he knows how to use them | Jul 03 12:46 |
| schestowitz | [00:19] <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> but again, this is not my point | Jul 03 12:46 |
| schestowitz | [00:19] <schestowitz> i'm listening, I can adapt to the situation | Jul 03 12:46 |
| schestowitz | [00:19] <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> i want to have only things controlled directly by me on my network. crystalmath is right that we should find new hosting for techrights | Jul 03 12:46 |
| schestowitz | [00:19] <schestowitz> no, it would just move the pressure to someone else | Jul 03 12:46 |
| schestowitz | [00:20] <schestowitz> I know how those people work | Jul 03 12:46 |
| schestowitz | [00:20] <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> nobody has pressured me to drop techrights | Jul 03 12:46 |
| schestowitz | [00:20] <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> not xxxxxxx, not the linux foundation, not anybody | Jul 03 12:46 |
| schestowitz | [00:20] <schestowitz> best to just not mention that you host it and not let them use you as a pressure point | Jul 03 12:46 |
| schestowitz | [00:20] <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> i want to be 100000000% clear on that | Jul 03 12:46 |
| schestowitz | [00:20] <schestowitz> yes, I know | Jul 03 12:46 |
| schestowitz | [00:20] <schestowitz> but peers do | Jul 03 12:47 |
| schestowitz | [00:20] <schestowitz> because he's lying about me | Jul 03 12:47 |
| schestowitz | [00:20] <schestowitz> since years ago | Jul 03 12:47 |
| schestowitz | [00:20] <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> peers certainly have asked questions | Jul 03 12:47 |
| schestowitz | [00:21] <schestowitz> let me talk to those peers, give them my email address | Jul 03 12:47 |
| schestowitz | [00:21] <schestowitz> I can clarify my positions | Jul 03 12:47 |
| schestowitz | [00:21] <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> the problem is that they hold your own irc logs against you | Jul 03 12:47 |
| schestowitz | [00:21] <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> for example, matthew linked to them to illustrate his point about transphobia | Jul 03 12:47 |
| schestowitz | [00:21] <schestowitz> like I told you about a year ago, it boils down to explaining things because people try to cause misunderstanding to drive a wedge | Jul 03 12:47 |
| schestowitz | [00:22] <schestowitz> he has a point, but IRC is a forum type like this | Jul 03 12:47 |
| schestowitz | [00:22] <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> it can be better moderated | Jul 03 12:47 |
| schestowitz | [00:22] <schestowitz> and he didn't quote me | Jul 03 12:47 |
| schestowitz | [00:22] <schestowitz> mincer moderates it | Jul 03 12:47 |
| schestowitz | [00:22] <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> even the GNU Kind Communication Guidelines (as written by RMS) would find this behavior problematic | Jul 03 12:47 |
| schestowitz | [00:22] <schestowitz> you yourself recommended him | Jul 03 12:47 |
| schestowitz | [00:23] <schestowitz> yes, gnu banned pocock | Jul 03 12:47 |
| schestowitz | [00:23] <schestowitz> his blog posts escalated sharply | Jul 03 12:47 |
| schestowitz | [00:23] <schestowitz> we already imposed some IRC bans over the years | Jul 03 12:47 |
| schestowitz | [00:24] <schestowitz> usually when mincer saw no other choice | Jul 03 12:47 |
| schestowitz | [00:24] <schestowitz> I took a break from IRC for today, as it was getting very tenuous | Jul 03 12:47 |
| schestowitz | [00:24] <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> anyway | Jul 03 12:47 |
| schestowitz | [00:24] <schestowitz> even for me | Jul 03 12:47 |
| schestowitz | [00:24] <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> maybe we can do something to make the IRC a little more friendly :) | Jul 03 12:47 |
| schestowitz | [00:24] <schestowitz> I'll speak to micer | Jul 03 12:47 |
| schestowitz | [00:24] <schestowitz> mincer | Jul 03 12:47 |
| schestowitz | [00:24] <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> it seems like | Jul 03 12:47 |
| schestowitz | [00:24] <schestowitz> yeah | Jul 03 12:47 |
| schestowitz | [00:24] <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> the IRC is quite demoralizing | Jul 03 12:47 |
| schestowitz | [00:25] <schestowitz> it is | Jul 03 12:47 |
| schestowitz | [00:25] <schestowitz> for me also | Jul 03 12:47 |
| schestowitz | [00:25] <schestowitz> debian irc is also like that | Jul 03 12:47 |
| schestowitz | [00:25] <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> not the channels on OFTC | Jul 03 12:47 |
| schestowitz | [00:25] <schestowitz> they hate being quoted from irc (not that I do that) | Jul 03 12:47 |
| schestowitz | [00:25] <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> #debian-devel is a tight ship | Jul 03 12:47 |
| schestowitz | [00:25] <schestowitz> oftc too if it grew bigger | Jul 03 12:47 |
| schestowitz | [00:25] <schestowitz> the trolls infest the "big" places | Jul 03 12:47 |
| schestowitz | [00:26] <schestowitz> I'll have a word with mincer now | Jul 03 12:47 |
| schestowitz | (mildly redacted) | Jul 03 12:47 |
| schestowitz | some people who can make up the blanks, that's fine... there would be no harm in that | Jul 03 12:47 |
| schestowitz | (the above is out of date, we got these things resolved) | Jul 03 12:47 |
| schestowitz | also, FTR: | Jul 03 12:48 |
| schestowitz | [15:08] <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> leah has one hell of a vision for GNU/FSF, and i actually support it so far | Jul 03 12:48 |
| schestowitz | [15:09] <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> you should ask her about it | Jul 03 12:48 |
| schestowitz | [15:09] <schestowitz> excellent, will do... | Jul 03 12:48 |
| schestowitz | [15:09] <schestowitz> we have a lot more in common, we need to be able to tolerate the smaller differences | Jul 03 12:48 |
| schestowitz | (this is good because they used to hate each other, but we got them talking amicably again) | Jul 03 12:48 |
| schestowitz | some time this month of next month redacted things about EPO will be released | Jul 03 12:48 |
| schestowitz | lots going on behind the scenes | Jul 03 12:48 |
| MinceR | :) | Jul 03 12:48 |
| schestowitz | I don't keep secret and things hidden, except passwords, or from audiences that don't need access as they're far too hostile | Jul 03 12:48 |
| schestowitz | but at least you know where we stood/stand | Jul 03 12:48 |
| schestowitz | you're generally correct about independence | Jul 03 12:48 |
| schestowitz | a view shared by Techrights-sec | Jul 03 12:49 |
| schestowitz | but we have to work with the limitations of resources | Jul 03 12:49 |
| schestowitz | inc. ISPs | Jul 03 12:49 |
| schestowitz | I can lose my home connection for hosting certain things, obviously, when political pressure intensifies | Jul 03 12:49 |
| schestowitz | the boundaries are clear | Jul 03 12:50 |
| schestowitz | from the above | Jul 03 12:50 |
| schestowitz | the key part is this: | Jul 03 12:50 |
| schestowitz | [12:45] <schestowitz> [00:15] <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> i feel obligated to explain myself to people over things that other people are doing with their own projects, and i do not wish to be in this position anymore | Jul 03 12:50 |
| schestowitz | I think that's the most important line | Jul 03 12:50 |
| schestowitz | not openly naming the host can help | Jul 03 12:50 |
| schestowitz | (this goes out to anyone else reading this and can fill the blanks) | Jul 03 12:52 |
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