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| schestowitz[TR2] | <admfubar> getting disconnects in irc lately, is something going on? | Aug 21 02:08 |
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| schestowitz[TR2] | <schestowitz[TR2]> not that i am aware of | Aug 21 02:08 |
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| schestowitz[TR2] | " | Aug 21 03:36 |
| schestowitz[TR2] | I keep hearing about Persistent. Is IBM actually selling the products to Persistent like we sold Lotus to HCL a few years back? Or just outsourcing the dev/support teams to Persistent (IBM employees get rebadged) but IBM still owns the SW? Does anyone know? | Aug 21 03:36 |
| schestowitz[TR2] | 3 hours ago by Anonymous | Aug 21 03:36 |
| schestowitz[TR2] | | 1 reaction (+1/-0) | Reply | Aug 21 03:36 |
| schestowitz[TR2] | Post ID: @am+1m0gb74cq | Aug 21 03:36 |
| schestowitz[TR2] | 0 | Aug 21 03:36 |
| schestowitz[TR2] | IBM is constantly selling off software and sometimes the people with it. | Aug 21 03:36 |
| schestowitz[TR2] | That isn't news in itself. | Aug 21 03:36 |
| schestowitz[TR2] | 4 hours ago by Anonymous | Aug 21 03:36 |
| schestowitz[TR2] | | 2 reactions (+1/-1) | Reply | Aug 21 03:36 |
| schestowitz[TR2] | Post ID: @ah+1m0gb74cq | Aug 21 03:36 |
| schestowitz[TR2] | 0 | Aug 21 03:36 |
| schestowitz[TR2] | @aa As long as there is no specific information disclosed, no worries. | Aug 21 03:36 |
| schestowitz[TR2] | 4 hours ago by Anonymous | Aug 21 03:36 |
| schestowitz[TR2] | | no reactions | Reply | Aug 21 03:36 |
| schestowitz[TR2] | Post ID: @ad+1m0gb74cq | Aug 21 03:36 |
| schestowitz[TR2] | +3 | Aug 21 03:36 |
| schestowitz[TR2] | @a8 It’s a rumor. Of course if it IS removed, well then I guess we know it’s true. | Aug 21 03:36 |
| schestowitz[TR2] | 5 hours ago by Anonymous | Aug 21 03:36 |
| schestowitz[TR2] | | 3 reactions (+3/-0) | Reply | Aug 21 03:36 |
| schestowitz[TR2] | Post ID: @aa+1m0gb74cq | Aug 21 03:36 |
| schestowitz[TR2] | -5 | Aug 21 03:36 |
| schestowitz[TR2] | If that is IBM Confidential information not released to the public then I suspect this post will be deleted too. | Aug 21 03:36 |
| schestowitz[TR2] | 5 hours ago by Anonymous | Aug 21 03:36 |
| schestowitz[TR2] | | 5 reactions (+0/-5) | Reply | Aug 21 03:36 |
| schestowitz[TR2] | Post ID: @a8+1m0gb74cq | Aug 21 03:36 |
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| schestowitz[TR2] | Yup- fire sale is starting up | Aug 21 03:36 |
| schestowitz[TR2] | " | Aug 21 03:36 |
| schestowitz[TR2] | https://www.thelayoff.com/t/1m0gb74cq | Aug 21 03:36 |
| schestowitz[TR2] | " | Aug 21 03:36 |
| schestowitz[TR2] | There was a post on the r/IBM Reddit page this morning that has since been removed by the executive team's flying monkeys. The post discussed 17 products being sold by IBM to Persistent and didn't go into further detail as the person who posted it was worried about being outed. Has anyone else heard this rumor? | Aug 21 03:36 |
| schestowitz[TR2] | " | Aug 21 03:36 |
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| schestowitz[TR2] | https://www.thelayoff.com/t/1m0ejt3qg | Aug 21 03:37 |
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| schestowitz[TR2] | "they do and they are misusing pip as it’s stated by IBM’s own documentation. It’s a lawsuit waiting the happen a ticking time bo-b for them | Aug 21 03:37 |
| schestowitz[TR2] | 7 hours ago by Anonymous | Aug 21 03:37 |
| schestowitz[TR2] | | 3 reactions (+3/-0) | Reply | Aug 21 03:37 |
| schestowitz[TR2] | Post ID: @cz+1m0ejt3qg | Aug 21 03:37 |
| schestowitz[TR2] | +2 | Aug 21 03:37 |
| schestowitz[TR2] | Yes this is exactly what happened to me. One year I went from high performer to having every one on one cancelled the day of the meeting to then my manager not even bothering to reschedule at all. Sadly almost all the managers follow this mo now. | Aug 21 03:37 |
| schestowitz[TR2] | 8 hours ago by Anonymous | Aug 21 03:37 |
| schestowitz[TR2] | | 2 reactions (+2/-0) | Reply | Aug 21 03:37 |
| schestowitz[TR2] | Post ID: @cw+1m0ejt3qg | Aug 21 03:37 |
| schestowitz[TR2] | +3 | Aug 21 03:37 |
| schestowitz[TR2] | @bv | Aug 21 03:37 |
| schestowitz[TR2] | It might not be laziness, your manager might still have a sliver of conscience (very, very few managers have one) and he is feeling slightly guilty about what is bringing to you. | Aug 21 03:37 |
| schestowitz[TR2] | 11 hours ago by Anonymous | Aug 21 03:37 |
| schestowitz[TR2] | | 3 reactions (+3/-0) | Reply | Aug 21 03:37 |
| schestowitz[TR2] | Post ID: @c7+1m0ejt3qg | Aug 21 03:37 |
| schestowitz[TR2] | +4 | Aug 21 03:37 |
| schestowitz[TR2] | Start applying to other jobs immediately | Aug 21 03:37 |
| schestowitz[TR2] | 13 hours ago by Anonymous | Aug 21 03:37 |
| schestowitz[TR2] | | 4 reactions (+4/-0) | Reply | Aug 21 03:37 |
| schestowitz[TR2] | Post ID: @bw+1m0ejt3qg | Aug 21 03:37 |
| schestowitz[TR2] | +4 | Aug 21 03:37 |
| schestowitz[TR2] | My manager is also avoiding 1:1. The main reason: he is lazy... | Aug 21 03:37 |
| schestowitz[TR2] | 13 hours ago by Anonymous | Aug 21 03:37 |
| schestowitz[TR2] | | 4 reactions (+4/-0) | Reply | Aug 21 03:37 |
| schestowitz[TR2] | Post ID: @bv+1m0ejt3qg | Aug 21 03:37 |
| schestowitz[TR2] | +3 | Aug 21 03:37 |
| schestowitz[TR2] | Oh no | Aug 21 03:37 |
| schestowitz[TR2] | 15 hours ago by Anonymous | Aug 21 03:37 |
| schestowitz[TR2] | | 3 reactions (+3/-0) | Reply | Aug 21 03:37 |
| schestowitz[TR2] | Post ID: @bj+1m0ejt3qg | Aug 21 03:37 |
| schestowitz[TR2] | +6 | Aug 21 03:37 |
| schestowitz[TR2] | Bad sign | Aug 21 03:37 |
| schestowitz[TR2] | 21 hours ago by Anonymous | Aug 21 03:37 |
| schestowitz[TR2] | | 6 reactions (+6/-0) | Reply | Aug 21 03:37 |
| schestowitz[TR2] | Post ID: @ae+1m0ejt3qg | Aug 21 03:37 |
| schestowitz[TR2] | +5 | Aug 21 03:37 |
| schestowitz[TR2] | \ | Aug 21 03:37 |
| schestowitz[TR2] | " | Aug 21 03:37 |
| schestowitz[TR2] | https://www.thelayoff.com/t/1m0fksf6m | Aug 21 03:40 |
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| schestowitz[TR2] | https://www.thelayoff.com/t/1m0fksf6m | Aug 21 03:40 |
| schestowitz[TR2] | " | Aug 21 03:40 |
| schestowitz[TR2] | Would help us all if you can share your role or title or group etc. Sales. IT. Cloud. Support. Finance etc. Your only job now is to find a job outside IBM. You are cooked at IBM. They do not want you and are so cheap they will not give your severance and use the PIP as a way to force you out at the lowest cost. | Aug 21 03:40 |
| schestowitz[TR2] | 10 hours ago by Anonymous | Aug 21 03:40 |
| schestowitz[TR2] | | 7 reactions (+7/-0) | Reply | Aug 21 03:40 |
| schestowitz[TR2] | Post ID: @ap+1m0fksf6m | Aug 21 03:40 |
| schestowitz[TR2] | +6 | Aug 21 03:40 |
| schestowitz[TR2] | @OP, the evolution of IBM in recent years has been from International Business Machine to India business Machine. In Europe, we assumed the affinity between whites in Europe and whites in North America. | Aug 21 03:40 |
| schestowitz[TR2] | These assumptions are no longer valid, now, we have to deal with Indians. Indians have very little affinity to Europe whites. | Aug 21 03:40 |
| schestowitz[TR2] | Now, Indians are in control, the game is different. | Aug 21 03:40 |
| schestowitz[TR2] | 11 hours ago by Anonymous | Aug 21 03:40 |
| schestowitz[TR2] | | 8 reactions (+7/-1) | Reply | Aug 21 03:40 |
| schestowitz[TR2] | Post ID: @ad+1m0fksf6m | Aug 21 03:40 |
| schestowitz[TR2] | +3 | Aug 21 03:40 |
| schestowitz[TR2] | @a1 | Aug 21 03:40 |
| schestowitz[TR2] | "...so ready to leave" should definitely include your having a new job lined up, with a start date no further out than January 2027. | Aug 21 03:40 |
| schestowitz[TR2] | If they're getting all of their ducks in a row to ace you out by the end of November, then be sure to focus most of your current "work energy" on securing a new job for yourself between now and then. The timing could be good if they give you the boot at that point, because you could just kick back and enjoy a solid block of weeks leading up to and during the holidays, while knowing you have a new gig lined up for the new year. | Aug 21 03:40 |
| schestowitz[TR2] | But to be slacking now on the job hunt, and then scrambling during the holidays looking for work? And then still not having any income, starting off a new year with no job? Nah. Not good. | Aug 21 03:40 |
| schestowitz[TR2] | We're almost into September..."make hay while the sun shines." | Aug 21 03:40 |
| schestowitz[TR2] | 12 hours ago by Get ON it! | Aug 21 03:40 |
| schestowitz[TR2] | | 3 reactions (+3/-0) | Reply | Aug 21 03:40 |
| schestowitz[TR2] | Post ID: @a9+1m0fksf6m | Aug 21 03:40 |
| schestowitz[TR2] | +2 | Aug 21 03:40 |
| schestowitz[TR2] | What BU are you folks in? | Aug 21 03:40 |
| schestowitz[TR2] | 13 hours ago by Anonymous | Aug 21 03:40 |
| schestowitz[TR2] | | 2 reactions (+2/-0) | Reply | Aug 21 03:40 |
| schestowitz[TR2] | Post ID: @a5+1m0fksf6m | Aug 21 03:40 |
| schestowitz[TR2] | +8 | Aug 21 03:40 |
| schestowitz[TR2] | My PIP lasts until mid. November with objectives and results to be completed gradually during this period. Honestly - I am so ready to leave. | Aug 21 03:40 |
| schestowitz[TR2] | " | Aug 21 03:40 |
| schestowitz[TR2] | https://www.thelayoff.com/t/1m0f3fqe0 | Aug 21 03:41 |
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| schestowitz[TR2] | " | Aug 21 03:42 |
| schestowitz[TR2] | Always PIP = IBM will take me out? Do they get you out after PIP immediately finishes? | Aug 21 03:42 |
| schestowitz[TR2] | 11 hours ago by Anonymous | Aug 21 03:42 |
| schestowitz[TR2] | | no reactions | Reply | Aug 21 03:42 |
| schestowitz[TR2] | Post ID: @ba+1m0f3fqe0 | Aug 21 03:42 |
| schestowitz[TR2] | +4 | Aug 21 03:42 |
| schestowitz[TR2] | A PIP is your warning to get another job, ASAP. | Aug 21 03:42 |
| schestowitz[TR2] | Expect to be shown the door. | Aug 21 03:42 |
| schestowitz[TR2] | PIPs are not designed to improve your performance so you can stay. | Aug 21 03:42 |
| schestowitz[TR2] | It's their way of telling you, "We want you out, and we're creating expectations which are purposefully vague, where we'll keep moving the goalposts to our advantage, while creating a papertrail to cover our a33es legally, so on paper it looks like you just couldn't cut it, so we had to cut you loose." | Aug 21 03:42 |
| schestowitz[TR2] | Do not fall for your manager's or HR's cr-p about how a PIP is just to "help you succeed." | Aug 21 03:42 |
| schestowitz[TR2] | It's the opposite: it's setting you up to fail. | Aug 21 03:42 |
| schestowitz[TR2] | Don't even expend much energy on trying to jump through hoops to meet PIP goals. It's a waste of time, a charade, and you won't win. Just get a new job as soon as you can. | Aug 21 03:42 |
| schestowitz[TR2] | 12 hours ago by Cold hard truth | Aug 21 03:42 |
| schestowitz[TR2] | | 4 reactions (+4/-0) | Reply | Aug 21 03:42 |
| schestowitz[TR2] | Post ID: @b8+1m0f3fqe0 | Aug 21 03:42 |
| schestowitz[TR2] | +1 | Aug 21 03:42 |
| schestowitz[TR2] | Can be as little as one month or can drag on if you fight it well | Aug 21 03:42 |
| schestowitz[TR2] | 13 hours ago by Anonymous | Aug 21 03:42 |
| schestowitz[TR2] | | 3 reactions (+2/-1) | Reply | Aug 21 03:42 |
| schestowitz[TR2] | Post ID: @ay+1m0f3fqe0 | Aug 21 03:42 |
| schestowitz[TR2] | +3 | Aug 21 03:42 |
| schestowitz[TR2] | Same as US ... PIPs last until you're fired | Aug 21 03:42 |
| schestowitz[TR2] | 14 hours ago by Anonymous | Aug 21 03:42 |
| schestowitz[TR2] | | 5 reactions (+4/-1) | Reply | Aug 21 03:42 |
| schestowitz[TR2] | Post ID: @at+1m0f3fqe0 | Aug 21 03:42 |
| schestowitz[TR2] | +2 | Aug 21 03:42 |
| schestowitz[TR2] | I think it depends on the manager's decision. I am in Europe and my lasts 3 months. | Aug 21 03:42 |
| schestowitz[TR2] | " | Aug 21 03:42 |
| schestowitz[TR2] | https://www.thelayoff.com/t/1kzxj9nds | Aug 21 03:45 |
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| schestowitz[TR2] | "Forbes isn’t wrong when it comes to “actual” consulting, but the problem is IBM consulting contains way way way too much commodity body shop employees who don’t consult, but rather do perform which should be outsourced. IBM’s consulting management doesn’t want to acknowledge this as the focus within IBM consulting is revenue preservation (even if it loses money) vs profit. It’s way past time for IBM consulting to be | Aug 21 03:45 |
| schestowitz[TR2] | reorg’ed around a profit objective. | Aug 21 03:45 |
| schestowitz[TR2] | 10 hours ago by Anonymous | Aug 21 03:45 |
| schestowitz[TR2] | | 1 reaction (+0/-1) | Reply | Aug 21 03:45 |
| schestowitz[TR2] | Post ID: @1a3+1kzxj9nds | Aug 21 03:45 |
| schestowitz[TR2] | +1 | Aug 21 03:45 |
| schestowitz[TR2] | But Forbes says we are the best! | Aug 21 03:45 |
| schestowitz[TR2] | https://lnkd.in/p/g7Qa28St | Aug 21 03:45 |
| schestowitz[TR2] | So WTF is going on? | Aug 21 03:45 |
| schestowitz[TR2] | " | Aug 21 03:45 |
| -TechBytesBot/#techbytes-www.linkedin.com | Forbes has once again recognized IBM Consulting as one of the World’s Best Management Consulting Firms. For the fifth consecutive year, we’ve earned top rankings for our client work supporting AI… | Mohamad Ali | 21 comments | Aug 21 03:46 | |
| schestowitz[TR2] | "" | Aug 21 04:54 |
| schestowitz[TR2] | https://www.reddit.com/r/IBM_Employees/comments/1vt060s/pip/ | Aug 21 04:54 |
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| schestowitz[TR2] | " | Aug 21 04:54 |
| schestowitz[TR2] | Is Utilization PIP any different from Performance PIP? | Aug 21 04:54 |
| schestowitz[TR2] | Or its all the same and i should start packing me bags? | Aug 21 04:54 |
| schestowitz[TR2] | US consulting. | Aug 21 04:54 |
| schestowitz[TR2] | " | Aug 21 04:54 |
| schestowitz[TR2] | " | Aug 21 04:54 |
| schestowitz[TR2] | OP, start networking and looking around for work. A lot of PIPs around the organization and they want people gone. | Aug 21 04:54 |
| schestowitz[TR2] | u/bengalboiler avatar | Aug 21 04:54 |
| schestowitz[TR2] | bengalboiler | Aug 21 04:54 |
| schestowitz[TR2] | • | Aug 21 04:54 |
| schestowitz[TR2] | 1d ago | Aug 21 04:54 |
| schestowitz[TR2] | Utilization PIP is 100% different. Get on a billable project and it will never be mentioned again. | Aug 21 04:54 |
| schestowitz[TR2] | JimRockford63 | Aug 21 04:54 |
| schestowitz[TR2] | • | Aug 21 04:54 |
| schestowitz[TR2] | 1d ago | Aug 21 04:54 |
| schestowitz[TR2] | • Edited 1d ago | Aug 21 04:54 |
| schestowitz[TR2] | I survived one utilization PIP in 2013 when they fired a guy from IBM Canada on a US project because he was too expensive. I lasted a few more years to when they replaced me with an H1B from India as I got too expensive. | Aug 21 04:54 |
| schestowitz[TR2] | If you were on a utilization PIP, because of the fact that they don't have work for your skilset, it's just going to be a matter of time until they get you. | Aug 21 04:54 |
| schestowitz[TR2] | With IBM you're just playing this shell game. | Aug 21 04:54 |
| schestowitz[TR2] | Spirited_Rooster4811 | Aug 21 04:54 |
| schestowitz[TR2] | • | Aug 21 04:54 |
| schestowitz[TR2] | 1d ago | Aug 21 04:54 |
| schestowitz[TR2] | You should try to find a project ASAP | Aug 21 04:54 |
| schestowitz[TR2] | u/thebest1isme avatar | Aug 21 04:54 |
| schestowitz[TR2] | thebest1isme | Aug 21 04:54 |
| schestowitz[TR2] | • | Aug 21 04:54 |
| schestowitz[TR2] | 1d ago | Aug 21 04:54 |
| schestowitz[TR2] | Utilization PIPs are different. You are still allowed to find an opportunity internally. Currently though, there just aren't that many opportunities out there and they prefer to get contractors into the projects now. | Aug 21 04:54 |
| schestowitz[TR2] | Get certified, and also apply externally. You will only get 4 weeks of severance after the fact | Aug 21 04:54 |
| schestowitz[TR2] | u/FondantBeneficial344 avatar | Aug 21 04:54 |
| schestowitz[TR2] | FondantBeneficial344 | Aug 21 04:54 |
| schestowitz[TR2] | • | Aug 21 04:54 |
| schestowitz[TR2] | 1d ago | Aug 21 04:54 |
| schestowitz[TR2] | What is a utilization pip? | Aug 21 04:54 |
| schestowitz[TR2] | u/thebest1isme avatar | Aug 21 04:54 |
| schestowitz[TR2] | thebest1isme | Aug 21 04:54 |
| schestowitz[TR2] | • | Aug 21 04:54 |
| schestowitz[TR2] | 1d ago | Aug 21 04:54 |
| schestowitz[TR2] | Consulting. Basically, you are not charging your time to a client thus the name | Aug 21 04:54 |
| schestowitz[TR2] | " | Aug 21 04:54 |
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| schestowitz[TR2] | https://lists.gnu.org/archive/html/libreplanet-discuss/2026-08/msg00006.html | Aug 21 09:20 |
| schestowitz[TR2] | " | Aug 21 09:20 |
| schestowitz[TR2] | The Open Source Initiative does have a registered trademark (serial 86191623), and they’ve already issued disclaimers specifically for the “Open Source” portion of the mark. | Aug 21 09:20 |
| schestowitz[TR2] | Reference: | Aug 21 09:20 |
| schestowitz[TR2] | Open Source Initiative - Trademark search: | Aug 21 09:20 |
| schestowitz[TR2] | https://tmsearch.uspto.gov/search/search-results/86191623 | Aug 21 09:20 |
| schestowitz[TR2] | This means parties using similar phrasing, like “Open Source” in their branding, can’t just use it freely without considering whether it’s substantially similar to their protected service marks. It’s a valid legal basis for them to enforce their trademark rights, which they should absolutely do against fraudulent companies misappropriating the term for commercial gain, such as Meta. " | Aug 21 09:20 |
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| -TechBytesBot/#techbytes-tmsearch.uspto.gov | Trademark search | Aug 21 09:20 | |
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| schestowitz[TR2] | " | Aug 21 16:11 |
| schestowitz[TR2] | Funny I was just thinking of plane repair while out picking mushrooms. | Aug 21 16:11 |
| schestowitz[TR2] | Airlines play a lot of games to avoid paying to fix or maintain aircraft until | Aug 21 16:11 |
| schestowitz[TR2] | required by law. Even then they play games to not just minimize the cost | Aug 21 16:11 |
| schestowitz[TR2] | but to put the burden on competitors when possible. i.e. have a plane on the | Aug 21 16:11 |
| schestowitz[TR2] | way to fail, fail its test at a competitor's hub. | Aug 21 16:11 |
| schestowitz[TR2] | I've had some scary conversations with commercial pilots and mechanics in | Aug 21 16:11 |
| schestowitz[TR2] | the past. | Aug 21 16:11 |
| schestowitz[TR2] | checking IRC text now | Aug 21 16:11 |
| schestowitz[TR2] | " | Aug 21 16:11 |
| schestowitz[TR2] | <admfubar> i get messages like this every so often ... (12:24:00 PM) The account has disconnected and you are no longer in this chat. You will automatically rejoin the chat when the account reconnects. | Aug 21 17:33 |
| schestowitz[TR2] | <schestowitz[TR2]> odd | Aug 21 17:33 |
| schestowitz[TR2] | <schestowitz[TR2]> let me ask | Aug 21 17:33 |
| schestowitz[TR2] | Aug 21 17:33 | |
| schestowitz[TR2] | * Loaded log from Fri Aug 21 03:55:13 2026 | Aug 21 17:33 |
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| schestowitz[TR2] | <admfubar> ok | Aug 21 17:33 |
| schestowitz[TR2] | <schestowitz[TR2]> he reported something similar ish | Aug 21 17:33 |
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| schestowitz[TR2] | <admfubar> ok | Aug 21 19:47 |
| schestowitz[TR2] | <admfubar> who did? | Aug 21 19:47 |
| schestowitz[TR2] | <schestowitz[TR2]> psydroid | Aug 21 19:47 |
| schestowitz[TR2] | <admfubar> ok | Aug 21 19:47 |
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