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| schestowitz | [Thursday, 20 May 2021] [23:58:50 BST]<schestowitz__> xxxxx | May 22 08:08 |
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| schestowitz | [Thursday, 20 May 2021] [23:59:11 BST]<REDACTED xxxxx (22:57:47) rasengan: xxxx plz dont share the url but u can share the image if u want | May 22 08:08 |
| schestowitz | [Thursday, 20 May 2021] [23:59:16 BST]<REDACTED xxxxx He wrote this to me. | May 22 08:08 |
| schestowitz | [Thursday, 20 May 2021] [23:59:36 BST]<REDACTED xxxxx So what ye did is instantly shared it %). | May 22 08:08 |
| schestowitz | [Thursday, 20 May 2021] [23:59:54 BST]<schestowitz__> yes, I know | May 22 08:08 |
| schestowitz | [19:16] <REDACTED xxxxx (21:12:59) f00: if he was a smart guy, he would joined the staff on a day to day administration, earned their trust, become a part of the team | May 22 08:08 |
| schestowitz | [19:16] <REDACTED xxxxx (21:13:08) f00: that's not what he's done tho, is it? | May 22 08:08 |
| schestowitz | [19:16] <REDACTED xxxxx (21:13:23) f00: cant buy friends | May 22 08:08 |
| schestowitz | [19:17] <REDACTED xxxxx I'm pretty sure Andrew misunderstood the situation, overreacted, acted rushly, screwed up and then barely understood what even happened. | May 22 08:08 |
| schestowitz | [19:17] <REDACTED xxxxx I don't think he's a bad guy, but Freenode is not in good hands. | May 22 08:08 |
| schestowitz | [19:18] <schestowitz__> well, many admins quit | May 22 08:08 |
| schestowitz | [19:18] <schestowitz__> so obviously hands are lacking | May 22 08:08 |
| schestowitz | [19:19] <schestowitz__> but we need to overcome this | May 22 08:08 |
| schestowitz | [19:19] <REDACTED xxxxx With good reason. | May 22 08:08 |
| schestowitz | [19:19] <schestowitz__> this could end up better | May 22 08:09 |
| schestowitz | [19:19] <schestowitz__> I mean | May 22 08:09 |
| schestowitz | [19:19] <schestowitz__> to clarift: | May 22 08:09 |
| schestowitz | [19:19] <schestowitz__> the whole situation could end up not like this | May 22 08:09 |
| schestowitz | [19:19] <REDACTED xxxxx There's always room for hope, but if ye believe in that a good foundation matters, then ye'd agree that the odds are not in that favour. | May 22 08:09 |
| schestowitz | [19:20] <schestowitz__> I made an ambiguous statement above | May 22 08:09 |
| schestowitz | [19:20] <schestowitz__> what I mean is, we could not avoid a rift and split | May 22 08:09 |
| schestowitz | [19:20] <schestowitz__> but we can work towards a good outcome for 50,000 channels on this netwyork | May 22 08:09 |
| schestowitz | [19:21] <schestowitz__> the key is user retention | May 22 08:09 |
| schestowitz | [19:21] <schestowitz__> without the user the value sinks | May 22 08:09 |
| schestowitz | [19:21] <schestowitz__> (not monetary) | May 22 08:09 |
| schestowitz | [19:21] <REDACTED xxxxx I do wonder if Libera Chat is already bigger than Freenode or not. | May 22 08:09 |
| schestowitz | [19:22] <schestowitz__> haha, no way! | May 22 08:09 |
| schestowitz | [19:22] <schestowitz__> I see blogs in RSS all the tme | May 22 08:09 |
| schestowitz | [19:22] <schestowitz__> barely anyone moved fully | May 22 08:09 |
| schestowitz | [19:22] <schestowitz__> those who did are loud about it | May 22 08:09 |
| schestowitz | [19:22] <REDACTED xxxxx That makes sense, but a tendency is there. | May 22 08:09 |
| schestowitz | [19:23] <schestowitz__> I support the other network's existence | May 22 08:09 |
| schestowitz | [19:23] <schestowitz__> upside right now us, | May 22 08:09 |
| schestowitz | [19:23] <schestowitz__> the media mentions IRC | May 22 08:09 |
| schestowitz | [19:23] <schestowitz__> it never does otherwise | May 22 08:09 |
| schestowitz | [19:23] <schestowitz__> so many we can attract people away from copycats like slack | May 22 08:09 |
| schestowitz | [19:23] <REDACTED xxxxx My point is that if Andrew can't prove his legitimacy (I don't think he can), then the movers to Libera Chat will cement on it. | May 22 08:09 |
| schestowitz | [19:24] <REDACTED xxxxx and Freenode will continue losing channels | May 22 08:09 |
| schestowitz | [19:24] <schestowitz__> by default, they are here | May 22 08:09 |
| schestowitz | [19:24] <REDACTED xxxxx until they aren't | May 22 08:09 |
| schestowitz | [19:24] <schestowitz__> and when the noise calms down so will the channels and projects | May 22 08:09 |
| schestowitz | [19:26] <REDACTED xxxxx Ye knew as well as I that the exodus slowed down because many channels (like Gentoo's) reasonably have decided to first figure out what the heck is even going on, and when they do… | May 22 08:09 |
| schestowitz | [19:26] <REDACTED xxxxx take it as a prediction :) | May 22 08:09 |
| schestowitz | [19:28] <REDACTED xxxxx And that's assuming Freenode continues to run smoothly with the new staff. | May 22 08:09 |
| schestowitz | [19:51] <schestowitz__> yes | May 22 08:09 |
| schestowitz | [19:51] <schestowitz__> I know | May 22 08:09 |
| schestowitz | [19:52] <schestowitz__> hence I threw many articles about patents under the bus for now | May 22 08:09 |
| schestowitz | [19:52] <schestowitz__> time is of the essence | May 22 08:09 |
| schestowitz | [19:52] <schestowitz__> to get the facts RIGHT | May 22 08:09 |
| schestowitz | [19:52] <schestowitz__> at least the facts | May 22 08:09 |
| schestowitz | [19:52] <schestowitz__> no matter whose side is "benign" | May 22 08:09 |
| schestowitz | [19:52] <schestowitz__> notice how they lined up all the resignation letters | May 22 08:09 |
| schestowitz | [19:52] <schestowitz__> for max effect | May 22 08:09 |
| schestowitz | [19:52] <schestowitz__> I leaked one last week | May 22 08:09 |
| schestowitz | [19:52] <schestowitz__> to disrupt that plan | May 22 08:10 |
| schestowitz | [19:53] <REDACTED xxxxx > I leaked one last week | May 22 08:10 |
| schestowitz | [19:53] <REDACTED xxxxx oh, that actually happened? | May 22 08:10 |
| schestowitz | [19:53] <schestowitz__> yes, wait | May 22 08:10 |
| schestowitz | [19:54] <REDACTED xxxxx > notice how they lined up all the resignation letters for max effect | May 22 08:10 |
| schestowitz | [19:54] <REDACTED xxxxx Apparently they prepared resignation letters for an emergency | May 22 08:10 |
| schestowitz | [19:54] <REDACTED xxxxx and an emergency didn't wait | May 22 08:10 |
| schestowitz | [19:54] <schestowitz__> http://techrights.org/2021/05/13/private-internet-access-and-freenode/ | May 22 08:10 |
| schestowitz | [19:54] <schestowitz__> he later emailed me | May 22 08:10 |
| -TechBytesBot/#techbytes-techrights.org | Andrew Lee of Private Internet Access/London Trust Media Increasingly Owns and Controls Freenode (Updatedx2) | Techrights | May 22 08:10 | |
| schestowitz | [19:54] <schestowitz__> fuchs | May 22 08:10 |
| schestowitz | [19:56] <REDACTED xxxxx I bet he was very angry | May 22 08:10 |
| schestowitz | [19:57] <schestowitz__> not very | May 22 08:10 |
| schestowitz | [19:57] <schestowitz__> surprised | May 22 08:10 |
| schestowitz | [19:57] <REDACTED xxxxx How did ye even find it? | May 22 08:10 |
| schestowitz | [19:58] <schestowitz__> does not matter | May 22 08:10 |
| schestowitz | [19:58] <REDACTED xxxxx I read a lot of speculation on the letter draught being leaked | May 22 08:10 |
| schestowitz | [19:58] <REDACTED xxxxx I think they say now that it was leaked through search engines | May 22 08:10 |
| schestowitz | [11:30] <xxxxxxxxxxxx> Seems like this one is also a case of anti-Lee stuff being suspicious: xxxxxxxxxxx | May 22 08:10 |
| schestowitz | [11:30] <schestowitz__> I saw it | May 22 08:10 |
| schestowitz | [11:30] <schestowitz__> I read it at this very moment in fact | May 22 08:10 |
| schestowitz | [11:31] <xxxxxxxxxxxx> Although a bribe attempt is mentioned, the crux seems to be "he loves IRC too much" | May 22 08:10 |
| schestowitz | [11:31] <schestowitz__> my video will be done uploading in 1-2 hours | May 22 08:10 |
| schestowitz | [11:31] <xxxxxxxxxxxx> ok | May 22 08:10 |
| schestowitz | [11:32] <schestowitz__> I spoke to Lee | May 22 08:10 |
| schestowitz | [11:32] <schestowitz__> he's not your average spoiled brat | May 22 08:10 |
| schestowitz | [11:32] <schestowitz__> "Russian oligarch" | May 22 08:10 |
| schestowitz | [11:32] <schestowitz__> "Korean crown prince" | May 22 08:10 |
| schestowitz | [11:33] <xxxxxxxxxxxx> Isn't the latter something real and the former not? | May 22 08:10 |
| schestowitz | [11:34] <xxxxxxxxxxxx> i.e., I've seen mentions of Korean princedom, but not "Russian oligarch", wtf | May 22 08:10 |
| schestowitz | [11:41] <schestowitz__> diminutive | May 22 08:10 |
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| schestowitz | http://ipkitten.blogspot.com/2021/05/guest-post-trips-waiver-debate-why-and.html?showComment=1621553608273#c7329597759113224509 | May 22 23:28 |
| -TechBytesBot/#techbytes-ipkitten.blogspot.com | [Guest post] The TRIPS Waiver Debate: Why, and where to from here? - The IPKat | May 22 23:28 | |
| schestowitz | "One of the most sensible and nuanced discussions of the waiver I have read. The division of doctrinal and normative justifications is especially illuminating. Personally I think the optics of opposing any kind of waiver is determinative, irrespective of whether the waiver is capable of achieving it's aims. In fact opposing a waiver may ultimately lead to the watering down of TRIPs. Though I do worry about the chilling effect on | May 22 23:28 |
| schestowitz | incentive for creating vaccines in future pandemics. Emeritus Professor Michael D Pendleton" | May 22 23:28 |
| schestowitz | "The article analyses the very 'technical issues' around a waiver and what it could achieve. But no context is given for what is happening. The WTO is all about creating a system for disputes to be sorted out, but the question which is not asked is why the developing world does not 'dare' to make use of provisions in the Doha declaration for limiting patent rights for public health reasons? The fact is that there are consequences for | May 22 23:29 |
| schestowitz | less powerful nations if they take advantage of existing 'legal' agreed provisions to limit patent rights. The US is now discussing a waiver, and it is clear that the US is essentially the 'decider' of whether a waiver is needed, though the impact is most severe in the developing world. " | May 22 23:29 |
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