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schestowitz> Dear SirNov 24 01:46
schestowitz>Nov 24 01:46
schestowitz> This morning i read your article on TechRights regarding Purism andNov 24 01:46
schestowitz> i would like to add the problems i am having.Nov 24 01:46
schestowitz>Nov 24 01:46
schestowitz> Last Tuesday after reading many articles about the Librem 5, i decidedNov 24 01:46
schestowitz> to ask for a refund on my ‘pre-ordered’ phone as i feel somethings dontNov 24 01:47
schestowitz> feel right.Nov 24 01:47
schestowitz>Nov 24 01:47
schestowitz> The communication was cordial making sure they had the right credit cardNov 24 01:47
schestowitz> details to my account and was told it would take 2 - 15 days.Nov 24 01:47
schestowitz>Nov 24 01:47
schestowitz> On Thursday i checked my Purism account to still find my order wasNov 24 01:47
schestowitz> ‘active’ and awaiting shipping, so i emailed again asking forNov 24 01:47
schestowitz> confirmation, only to receive a very cavalier response saying ‘we’llNov 24 01:47
schestowitz> sort it in a couple of days!’Nov 24 01:47
schestowitz>Nov 24 01:47
schestowitz> As you can imagine this was a red rag with my reply being rather angryNov 24 01:47
schestowitz> reminding them i wasnt a backer but a pre-order and interest will expected.Nov 24 01:47
schestowitz>Nov 24 01:47
schestowitz> As of today my order is still active and i dont hold much hope thatNov 24 01:47
schestowitz> anything will happen soon.Nov 24 01:47
schestowitz>Nov 24 01:47
schestowitz> So info i did find strange was on the Purism forum, an early backerNov 24 01:47
schestowitz> 350th (he screen shot his place) received his email asking what batch heNov 24 01:47
schestowitz> would like, which he put Aspen, Birch and Chestnut, only to receive aNov 24 01:47
schestowitz> reply he would be in Evergreen? I cant believe there is only 350 unitsNov 24 01:47
schestowitz> being produced for the first 4 batches??? This stinks!Nov 24 01:47
schestowitz>Nov 24 01:47
schestowitz> Many ThanksNov 24 01:47
schestowitzHi,Nov 24 01:47
schestowitzIf I write about this, it will probably be obvious whose order it concerns. Would you still be OK if  I wrote about it?Nov 24 01:47
schestowitzNov 24 01:51
schestowitzIrony: https://t.co/y5onZMJ5fpNov 24 01:51
-TechBytesBot/#techbytes-@StartPageSearch: "Thanks to facial recognition technology, a sprawling, privacy-wrecking surveillance apparatus now surrounds us.… https://t.co/wRzBHiZUgENov 24 01:51
-TechBytesBot/#techbytes-@StartPageSearch: "Thanks to facial recognition technology, a sprawling, privacy-wrecking surveillance apparatus now surrounds us.… https://t.co/wRzBHiZUgENov 24 01:51
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schestowitzhttps://joindiaspora.com/posts/16453072#10cb4e30efff013752df0cc47a07853cNov 24 02:10
-TechBytesBot/#techbytes-@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: The #linuxfoundation is very belatedly coming under massive fire today, and it's not even for the most worthy reasons http://techrights.org/wiki/index.php/Linux_FoundationNov 24 02:10
-TechBytesBot/#techbytes--> techrights.org | Linux Foundation - TechrightsNov 24 02:10
schestowitz"Nov 24 02:11
schestowitzRMS warns against defending him to the point of criticising the FSF as GNU depends on it.Nov 24 02:11
schestowitzid love to read that one.Nov 24 02:11
schestowitzlast i heard, the gnu situation wasnt stable. even with techrights, which does more than any other source i can think of, news about this stuff is spotty at best. im not saying YOU arent doing enough, just that im not sure its enough for people to know whats going on with gnu/fsf. THAT TOO IS LARGELY THE FAULT OF THE FSF FOR BEING DERELICT IN THIS.Nov 24 02:11
schestowitz freemedia@share.naturalnews.comNov 24 02:11
schestowitzfreemedia@share.naturalnews.com - about 17 hours agoNov 24 02:11
schestowitzwe shouldnt need an investigative news service just to keep track of what the fuck is going on with gnu, but that seems to be the requirement.Nov 24 02:11
schestowitzif you hadnt told me just now, i wouldnt know.Nov 24 02:11
schestowitz"Nov 24 02:11
schestowitzFSF will hopefully not become FSFE after the leader leavesNov 24 02:11
schestowitzhttps://joindiaspora.com/posts/16580933#7b937050f00f013731aa4061862b8e7bNov 24 02:12
-TechBytesBot/#techbytes-@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: ● NEWS ● #YouTube Promised to Label State-Sponsored Videos But Doesn’t Always Do So https://www.propublica.org/article/youtube-promised-to-label-state-sponsored-videos-but-doesnt-always-do-so does not do this for Western nations. #alphabet #google #imperialismNov 24 02:13
schestowitz"Nov 24 02:13
-TechBytesBot/#techbytes--> www.propublica.org | YouTube Promised to Label State-Sponsored Videos But Doesn’t Always Do So — ProPublicaNov 24 02:13
schestowitzThey should label oligarch/corporate funded videos too! Why would the oligarchs get away with it?Nov 24 02:13
schestowitz TrocatintasNov 24 02:13
schestowitzTrocatintas - about 15 hours agoNov 24 02:13
schestowitzthe protests were engineered by Western powersNov 24 02:13
schestowitzYes they were.Nov 24 02:13
schestowitz TrocatintasNov 24 02:13
schestowitzTrocatintas - about 15 hours agoNov 24 02:13
schestowitzWestern oligarchs managed to “privatize” most of the “state propaganda”, so they can overwhelm every media platform with their own narratives whilst obscuring it’s agenda.Nov 24 02:13
schestowitz freemedia@share.naturalnews.comNov 24 02:13
schestowitzfreemedia@share.naturalnews.com - about 15 hours agoNov 24 02:13
schestowitz@TrocatintasNov 24 02:13
schestowitzthe protests were engineered by Western powersNov 24 02:13
schestowitzYes they were.Nov 24 02:13
schestowitzwhat should we do with this?Nov 24 02:13
schestowitzi mean, china is trying to control hong kong more and more, right? i dont like american interference with things like this, but at the same time i dont think what china is doing is right.Nov 24 02:13
schestowitz TrocatintasNov 24 02:13
schestowitzTrocatintas - about 12 hours agoNov 24 02:13
schestowitz@freemedia@share.naturalnews.com I don’t support protests by far-right organizations that go against the working class best interests and that promote violence towards immigrants, wherever they are.Nov 24 02:13
schestowitz TrocatintasNov 24 02:13
schestowitzTrocatintas - about 12 hours agoNov 24 02:13
schestowitzHong Kong father of two ‘burned alive’ after chasing protesters at MTR station in grisly act of violence police classify as attempted murder | South China Morning PostNov 24 02:13
schestowitz TrocatintasNov 24 02:13
schestowitzTrocatintas - about 11 hours agoNov 24 02:13
schestowitzNot an exact thing but it usually works as a rule of thumb: far-left protestors usually attack banks and corporate stores like the yellow vests in France while far-right protestors attack public infrastructure that serves the working class like in Venezuela, they burn down buses, metro stations…Nov 24 02:13
schestowitz"Nov 24 02:13
schestowitzhttps://www.scmp.com/news/hong-kong/law-and-crime/article/3037243/hong-kong-father-two-burned-alive-after-chasingNov 24 02:13
-TechBytesBot/#techbytes-www.scmp.com | Hong Kong father of two ‘burned alive’ after chasing protesters at MTR station in grisly act of violence police classify as attempted murder | South China Morning PostNov 24 02:13
schestowitzhttps://joindiaspora.com/posts/16224149#535506c0cf7c013752810cc47a07853cNov 24 02:16
-TechBytesBot/#techbytes-@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: Bunnie Huang is awesome! https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ITXISikHLiw #openhardware #hacking #activismNov 24 02:16
schestowitz"Nov 24 02:16
schestowitzyeah, he is. im generally pleased when his name comes up. like perens, hes one of the VERY few people whose names you can pair with the words “open source” without me cringing.Nov 24 02:16
schestowitzi still wish he was on our side, but imo hes extremely useful to our side.Nov 24 02:16
schestowitz"Nov 24 02:16
-TechBytesBot/#techbytes--> www.youtube.com | “From an Academic Researcher to an Open Source Activist” by bunnie Huang | Bitmark Talk - YouTubeNov 24 02:16
schestowitzhttps://joindiaspora.com/posts/16545067#e1a327d0ecaa0137528d0cc47a07853cNov 24 02:17
-TechBytesBot/#techbytes-@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: New: #BluestarLinux 5.3.11 Run Through https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_gKpk_jxE5A In this video, we are looking at Bluestar Linux 5.3.11.Nov 24 02:17
schestowitz"#systemd"Nov 24 02:17
-TechBytesBot/#techbytes--> www.youtube.com | Bluestar Linux 5.3.11 Run Through - YouTubeNov 24 02:17
schestowitzhttps://joindiaspora.com/posts/16022602#abd35ea0bcab0137098b7a163ef10931Nov 24 02:22
-TechBytesBot/#techbytes-@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: #Manjaro 18.1.0 #XFCE Run Through https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Vf5ZO78lhwkNov 24 02:22
schestowitz"Nov 24 02:22
schestowitzI’ve been using XFCE more than MATE recently. I still prefer MATE, but XFCE performs better on the hardware-spec-limited systems I’m working with. And XFCE is slick enough, if you don’t want to mess with the panels much.Nov 24 02:22
schestowitz tomgrzNov 24 02:22
schestowitztomgrz - 2 months agoNov 24 02:22
-TechBytesBot/#techbytes--> www.youtube.com | Manjaro 18.1.0 XFCE Run Through - YouTubeNov 24 02:22
schestowitzI still install the MATE Terminal, even on XFCE.Nov 24 02:22
schestowitz Alessandro EbersolNov 24 02:22
schestowitzAlessandro Ebersol - 2 months agoNov 24 02:22
schestowitzNew XFCE… Well, GTK2 was better.Nov 24 02:23
schestowitz tomgrzNov 24 02:23
schestowitztomgrz - 2 months agoNov 24 02:23
schestowitzAs long as it works well on old hardware, I don’t really care.Nov 24 02:23
schestowitz Alessandro EbersolNov 24 02:23
schestowitzAlessandro Ebersol - 2 months agoNov 24 02:23
schestowitzA little more heavy on resources, and, without some eye candy, that was trivial in GTK2.Nov 24 02:23
schestowitz"Nov 24 02:23
schestowitzhttps://joindiaspora.com/posts/16572007#498fbe50ef6e013752870cc47a07853cNov 24 02:24
-TechBytesBot/#techbytes-@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: #microsoft is fighting against #gnu #linux at #huawei https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2019-11-21/microsoft-granted-u-s-license-to-export-software-to-huawei because #microsoftloveslinux http://techrights.org/2019/09/28/microsoft-against-gnu-linux/ @sjvnNov 24 02:24
schestowitz"The fact that Microsoft doesn’t want Huawei to get away with using their patents for free doesn’t automatically extend to a hatred of Linux. People need to stop treating Android like it is a Linux product and need to remind themselves that Google, a multi-billion-dollar corporation is behind it and rarely credits Linux in any way. We also need to remind ourselves that Google uses Android to spy on all of its users."Nov 24 02:24
-TechBytesBot/#techbytes--> www.bloomberg.com | Bloomberg - Are you a robot?Nov 24 02:24
schestowitzThis is not about patentsNov 24 02:24
-TechBytesBot/#techbytes--> techrights.org | Microsoft ‘Loves Linux’ So Much That It Lobbies Huawei Against GNU/Linux | TechrightsNov 24 02:24
schestowitzhttps://joindiaspora.com/posts/16572075#b57606c0ef6d013752870cc47a07853cNov 24 02:24
-TechBytesBot/#techbytes-@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: People who say that #microsoftloveslinux are traitors to #gnu #linux if they use it; but usually they don't. Usually they're career #microsoft boosters, whose business model is spreading lies for the rich.Nov 24 02:24
schestowitz"Only trust the FSF. :)"Nov 24 02:24
schestowitzit's not even clear who runs the FSF these daysNov 24 02:25
schestowitzfor the right amount of money, this guy wouldve cheered on adolf hitler.Nov 24 02:25
schestowitzhttps://joindiaspora.com/posts/16571214#2153b630ef1c0137528d0cc47a07853cNov 24 02:25
-TechBytesBot/#techbytes-@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: Jim #zemlin : Go #MICROSOFT !! #entryism #BuyThemAll #GitHubNov 24 02:25
-TechBytesBot/#techbytes- Photo by schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: https://joindiaspora.com/uploads/images/thumb_medium_022d4617483fd2a31a6c.pngNov 24 02:25
schestowitz"for the right amount of money, this guy wouldve cheered on adolf hitler."Nov 24 02:25
schestowitzhttps://joindiaspora.com/posts/16559350#2df8bfa0ef0d01371ea17a163ef10931Nov 24 02:25
-TechBytesBot/#techbytes-@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: Swapnil of #zemlinPAC turned linux dot com into #microsoft #propaganda site. This is the goal: https://www.linux.com/news/unsw-to-open-source-its-microsoft-classroom-platform-on-github/ See http://techrights.org/2019/10/30/linux-com-is-a-microsoft-site/Nov 24 02:25
schestowitz"Inbreeding concentrates all the good $$ genes."Nov 24 02:25
-TechBytesBot/#techbytes--> www.linux.com | UNSW to open source its Microsoft classroom platform on GitHub - Linux.comNov 24 02:26
-TechBytesBot/#techbytes--> techrights.org | Linux.com is a Microsoft Site | TechrightsNov 24 02:26
schestowitzhttps://joindiaspora.com/posts/16571514#e25fe800ef1b013752b10cc47a07853cNov 24 02:26
-TechBytesBot/#techbytes-@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: Web Site Which Exposed Microsoft Crimes is Gone From the Web, But Copies Still Exist http://techrights.org/2019/11/22/comes-v-microsoft-wayback-machine/ #microsoft #antitrust #billgates #crime #deletionismNov 24 02:26
schestowitz"i would strongly recommend making a local mirror."Nov 24 02:26
-TechBytesBot/#techbytes--> techrights.org | Web Site Which Exposed Microsoft Crimes is Gone From the Web, But Copies Still Exist | TechrightsNov 24 02:26
schestowitztechrtights has copies of many important documents. Also https://antitrust.slated.org/www.iowaconsumercase.org/index.htmlNov 24 02:27
-TechBytesBot/#techbytes-antitrust.slated.org | Comes v. MicrosoftNov 24 02:28
schestowitzhttps://joindiaspora.com/posts/16554477#c8af1c30edc80137528f0cc47a07853cNov 24 02:29
-TechBytesBot/#techbytes-@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: #Microsoft and #IBM Are the #PatentTrolls , They Won't Protect Us From Trolls http://techrights.org/2019/11/20/red-hat-and-microsoft-trolls/ #gnu #linuxNov 24 02:29
schestowitz"Nov 24 02:29
schestowitzIt’s a good reason to avoid using Redhat going forward. I imagine that Fedora is untouched but without actually looking at the code, who really knows? It might be a good idea to start moving to distributions which get the FSF’s seal of approval.Nov 24 02:29
schestowitzNov 24 02:29
schestowitzfreemedia@share.naturalnews.com - 3 days agoNov 24 02:29
schestowitzIt might be a good idea to start moving to distributions which get the FSF’s seal of approval.Nov 24 02:29
-TechBytesBot/#techbytes--> techrights.org | Microsoft and IBM Are the Patent Trolls, They Won’t Protect Us From Trolls | TechrightsNov 24 02:29
schestowitzvery few of which avoid systemd:Nov 24 02:29
schestowitzguix 2. hyperbolaNov 24 02:29
schestowitzneither of which are ready for the mainstream.Nov 24 02:29
schestowitzdont get me wrong, im very happy hyperbola exists-- especially since trisquel has failed so spectacularly.Nov 24 02:29
schestowitzNov 24 02:29
schestowitzRabid Raven - 3 days agoNov 24 02:29
schestowitzI tried Trisquel around 2012 or 2013 and thought it was pretty good. Any reason it failed?Nov 24 02:29
schestowitz"Nov 24 02:29
schestowitzFedora failed me when I last used it (f14 at work)Nov 24 02:29
schestowitzhttps://joindiaspora.com/posts/16562828#90edd7d0ee4d013777d7002590d8e506Nov 24 02:30
-TechBytesBot/#techbytes-@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: #Microsoft and #IBM Are the Patent Trolls, They Won’t Protect Us From Trolls http://techrights.org/2019/11/20/red-hat-and-microsoft-trolls/Nov 24 02:30
schestowitz"bad times …"Nov 24 02:30
schestowitzhttps://joindiaspora.com/posts/16562821#7befc1b0ee90013752c30cc47a07853cNov 24 02:31
-TechBytesBot/#techbytes-@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: #microsoft loves #linux so much that it would definitely come to the funeral http://techrights.org/2019/03/12/microsoft-foxconn/Nov 24 02:31
schestowitz"Unless you change the patent system completely - which would benefit the world in general - Microsoft is in the right here."Nov 24 02:31
-TechBytesBot/#techbytes--> techrights.org | Microsoft is Complaining About Android and Chrome OS (GNU/Linux) Vendor Not Paying for Microsoft Patents (Updated) | TechrightsNov 24 02:31
schestowitzC’mon Bill, put it out there…Nov 24 02:53
schestowitz tomgrzNov 24 02:53
schestowitztomgrz - 4 days agoNov 24 02:53
schestowitzThe ironic thing is that they dare not take any of this to court. They would likely lose their threat racket.Nov 24 02:53
schestowitzC’mon Bill, put it out there…Nov 24 02:53
schestowitz tomgrzNov 24 02:53
schestowitztomgrz - 4 days agoNov 24 02:53
schestowitzThe ironic thing is that they dare not take any of this to court. They would likely lose their threat racket.Nov 24 02:53
schestowitzhttps://joindiaspora.com/posts/16554407#e8101b50ed9401371e9f7a163ef10931Nov 24 02:53
-TechBytesBot/#techbytes-@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: #microsoftloveslinux http://techrights.org/2019/03/12/microsoft-foxconn/Nov 24 02:53
schestowitzhttps://joindiaspora.com/posts/16532162#6104e870eb8c013752a30cc47a07853cNov 24 02:54
-TechBytesBot/#techbytes-@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: Of course the #microsoft #github 'apps' are #proprietarysoftware just like everything at GitHub. #deletegithubNov 24 02:54
schestowitz"Nov 24 02:54
schestowitzi actually think its better if microsoft keeps its own development on github, so we always have due warning that the code is from microsoft.Nov 24 02:54
schestowitzwhats wrong with microsoft code? the same thing as always!Nov 24 02:54
schestowitzwe spent years having people chide us for turning our noses up at microsoft code. now gnome wants money to defend themselves after using it! we fucking told you so, didnt we?Nov 24 02:54
schestowitz“oh thats not nice,” oliva says.Nov 24 02:54
schestowitzits fucking relevant is what it is. imo nobody should give gnome a cent unless they are willing to say “yes-- you told us so!” because its fun to be right? we didnt want to be right! its important to LEARN this lesson. by all means-- do bail out gnome! but dont let the smug idiots run off and do the same stupid thing again (at our fucking expense) without “we told you so!” because mark my words, in a year or two the assholes we justNov 24 02:54
schestowitzbailed out will be calling us “neckbeards” and “zealots” again-- FUCK YOU, youre getting SUED by zealots, you stupid smarmy hipster shits.Nov 24 02:54
schestowitz"Nov 24 02:54
schestowitzhttps://joindiaspora.com/posts/16540403#654f8ee0ec4b01371ea37a163ef10931Nov 24 03:09
-TechBytesBot/#techbytes-@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: That's like #microsoft employees who believe their cult leader #billgates is doing "charity" when in reality he's a serial criminal avoiding tax (fake 'charity') and hanging out with serial pedophiles, whom he loves https://twitter.com/promethe42/status/1196132999072493569Nov 24 03:09
-TechBytesBot/#techbytes-@promethe42: Google should start by paying its taxes before asking employees to donate to non profit organizations. This is not… https://t.co/dQL2MsRratNov 24 03:09
schestowitz"Nov 24 03:09
schestowitzIf the wealthy paid their fair share of taxes, the unfortunate would not be dependent upon charity.Nov 24 03:09
schestowitz TrocatintasNov 24 03:09
schestowitzTrocatintas - 5 days agoNov 24 03:09
schestowitzAnd if there weren’t any “wealthy” to begin with we would all be “better-off”.Nov 24 03:09
schestowitz tomgrzNov 24 03:09
schestowitztomgrz - 5 days agoNov 24 03:09
schestowitzHypothetically.Nov 24 03:09
schestowitz"Nov 24 03:09
schestowitzhttps://joindiaspora.com/posts/16536841#24bea960ebfa01371ea37a163ef10931Nov 24 03:12
-TechBytesBot/#techbytes-@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: #microsoft #github : we're OPEN! For business! Give us all your OPEN SOURCESSS!! Yes, we're #proprietarysoftware and we spread #propaganda in which we claim to represent "Open Source", but give us all your hard work/labour. http://techrights.org/wiki/index.php/Delete_GithubNov 24 03:12
schestowitz"Nov 24 03:12
schestowitzGive us your python, your C ,Nov 24 03:12
schestowitzYour lambda functions yearning to be free,Nov 24 03:12
schestowitzThe text wrenched off your CRT.Nov 24 03:12
-TechBytesBot/#techbytes--> techrights.org | Delete Github - TechrightsNov 24 03:12
schestowitzSend these, the homeless, commented code, to me:Nov 24 03:12
schestowitzI lift my lamp beside The Monopoly!”Nov 24 03:12
schestowitz"Nov 24 03:12
schestowitzNice poemNov 24 03:12
schestowitzhttps://joindiaspora.com/posts/16532203#eaead000eb8b013752a30cc47a07853cNov 24 03:13
-TechBytesBot/#techbytes-@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: This 'article' is 100% #Microsoft ad complete with all the 'right' Microsoft lies. How much does Microsoft pay this site? https://siliconangle.com/2019/11/11/qa-inside-microsofts-embrace-githubs-strong-open-source-community-msignite/Nov 24 03:13
schestowitz"Nov 24 03:13
schestowitzsilicon angle has an angle.Nov 24 03:13
schestowitz tomgrzNov 24 03:13
schestowitztomgrz - 6 days agoNov 24 03:13
-TechBytesBot/#techbytes--> siliconangle.com | Q&A: Inside Microsoft's embrace of GitHub's strong open-source community - SiliconANGLENov 24 03:13
schestowitz“embrace”, extend, …Nov 24 03:13
schestowitzThe embrace itself becomes a strangle…Nov 24 03:13
schestowitz"Nov 24 03:13
schestowitz"open source" an open door for intrudersNov 24 03:13
schestowitzjgay: "i mean hopefully rms will step down from gnu before it is destroyed"Nov 24 06:50
schestowitz2 days ago: http://techrights.org/irc-archives/irc-log-techrights-221119.html#tNov%2022%2021:42:01Nov 24 06:50
schestowitzIs Joshua in bad terms with you?Nov 24 06:50
schestowitzOr on a less personal/'gossipy' angle, how can we in Techrights help GNU, FSF and Free software? Growing tensions and secrecy cause a lot of confusion. Seeing what happened to FSFE after its founder had left, I worry about the FSF. 3 out of 8 Board members are out in one month. There's a no-speak policy, too.Nov 24 06:50
schestowitz(to RMS)Nov 24 06:50
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schestowitz>>> I notice it days later. The correct files had been uploaded, but theNov 24 07:47
schestowitz>>> blog post did not link to the correct files because the file I sent wasNov 24 07:47
schestowitz>>> wrong. Every 2 days at the gym I check the files uploaded and once aNov 24 07:47
schestowitz>>> week I check that we didn't miss a day by accident, so at least thereNov 24 07:47
schestowitz>>> are safeguards.Nov 24 07:47
schestowitz>>>Nov 24 07:47
schestowitz>>> See Att.Nov 24 07:47
schestowitz>> Check out what J Gay told me last night around 9PM:Nov 24 07:47
schestowitz>>Nov 24 07:47
schestowitz>> http://techrights.org/irc-archives/irc-log-techrights-221119.htmlNov 24 07:47
schestowitz> The logs have no data-time stamps but do you mean his comments about RMSNov 24 07:47
schestowitz> or his 'small' comment about Gates?  If I follow the context correctly,Nov 24 07:47
schestowitz> the latter appears to be that "it [isn't] just talk"Nov 24 07:47
-TechBytesBot/#techbytes-techrights.org | IRC: #techrights @ FreeNode: Friday, November 22, 2019Nov 24 07:47
schestowitzjgay became rms-hostile and sometimes he seems a bit like a Microsoft apologist.Nov 24 07:47
schestowitzhe also says "open source", not FS.Nov 24 07:47
schestowitz> I've fixed the typo in the Security heading.Nov 24 07:54
schestowitzMuch overlap with what you put under "proprietary"Nov 24 07:54
schestowitzShould we refactor and maybe put security under proprietary? Or put both under some new heading?Nov 24 07:54
schestowitzWell, "security" was always a bit of a misfit under leftovers because there's FOSS and Linux stuff in there.Nov 24 07:54
schestowitz>>> I've fixed the typo in the Security heading.Nov 24 08:05
schestowitz>> Much overlap with what you put under "proprietary"Nov 24 08:05
schestowitz> I usually try to keep it empty unless there is something actuallyNov 24 08:05
schestowitz> relevant but maybe that discipline has slid recently.Nov 24 08:05
schestowitz>Nov 24 08:05
schestowitz>> Should we refactor and maybe put security under proprietary? Or put bothNov 24 08:05
schestowitz>> under some new heading?Nov 24 08:05
schestowitz> Maybe.  It'll be something to think about.  If security is defined asNov 24 08:05
schestowitz> confidentiality, availability, and integrity of systems and data thenNov 24 08:05
schestowitz> most of what mainstream media foist off as security is actually humbugNov 24 08:05
schestowitz> and snake oil.  Perhaps it would be well to add those categories. ;)Nov 24 08:05
schestowitzWe need a (sub)category for FUD/Fear-Mongering/DramatisationNov 24 08:05
schestowitzLots of that lately, see comments in http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/130683Nov 24 08:05
-TechBytesBot/#techbytes-www.tuxmachines.org | Security Patches and FUD/Drama | Tux MachinesNov 24 08:05
schestowitzThe taxonomy has not kept up with the times.Nov 24 08:05
schestowitzMaybe "openwashing" could use refactoring too, for the >kinds< of fakes. I'll be digging openwashing stuff later today (after work)Nov 24 08:05
schestowitzCategory-wise, we have:Nov 24 08:42
schestowitzSecurityNov 24 08:42
schestowitzProprietaryNov 24 08:42
schestowitzFUD/Fear-Mongering/DramatisationNov 24 08:42
schestowitzLinux FoundationNov 24 08:42
schestowitzPseudo-Open SourceNov 24 08:42
schestowitzOpenwashingNov 24 08:42
schestowitzConfidentialityNov 24 08:42
schestowitzPrivacy/SurveillanceNov 24 08:42
schestowitzIntegrity/AvailabilityNov 24 08:42
schestowitzHow about this...?Nov 24 08:42
schestowitzIntegrity/AvailabilityNov 24 08:42
schestowitzProprietaryNov 24 08:42
schestowitzPseudo-Open SourceNov 24 08:42
schestowitzOpenwashingNov 24 08:42
schestowitzPrivatisation/PrivateeringNov 24 08:42
schestowitzLinux FoundationNov 24 08:42
schestowitzEntrapment (Microsoft/GitHub)Nov 24 08:43
schestowitzSecurityNov 24 08:43
schestowitzFUD/Fear-Mongering/DramatisationNov 24 08:43
schestowitzPrivacy/SurveillanceNov 24 08:43
schestowitzConfidentialityNov 24 08:43
schestowitzFSFNov 24 08:43
schestowitzFSFENov 24 08:43
schestowitzGNU ProjectsNov 24 08:43
schestowitzLicensing/LegalNov 24 08:43
schestowitzDevices/EmbeddedNov 24 08:43
schestowitzOpen Hardware/ModdingNov 24 08:43
schestowitzProgramming/DevelopmentNov 24 08:43
schestowitzPerlNov 24 08:43
schestowitzPythonNov 24 08:43
schestowitzBashNov 24 08:43
schestowitzhttps://joindiaspora.com/posts/16172590#ffc83580f08b01371e917a163ef10931Nov 24 08:43
-TechBytesBot/#techbytes-@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: #LinuxFoundation Firing All #GNU #Linux -Oriented Journalists and Giving Jobs to #Microsoft http://techrights.org/2019/10/06/whose-foundation/ http://techrights.org/wiki/index.php/Linux_Foundation #deletegithubNov 24 08:43
schestowitz"We must not let them grab the ground under our feet."Nov 24 08:43
-TechBytesBot/#techbytes--> techrights.org | Linux Foundation: Firing All GNU/Linux-Oriented Journalists and Giving Jobs to Microsoft | TechrightsNov 24 08:43
-TechBytesBot/#techbytes--> techrights.org | Linux Foundation - TechrightsNov 24 08:43
schestowitz>> We need a (sub)category for FUD/Fear-Mongering/DramatisationNov 24 08:48
schestowitz> Sounds good, but where should it be placed in the existing structure?Nov 24 08:48
schestowitz>Nov 24 08:48
schestowitz>> Lots of that lately, see comments in http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/130683Nov 24 08:48
-TechBytesBot/#techbytes-www.tuxmachines.org | Security Patches and FUD/Drama | Tux MachinesNov 24 08:48
schestowitz> TM never displays any comments.Nov 24 08:48
schestowitzThey're strung together not as comments per se.Nov 24 08:48
schestowitzCan you see the meme in the page?Nov 24 08:48
schestowitz>> The taxonomy has not kept up with the times.Nov 24 08:49
schestowitz> It's a moving target based on the combination of what is available forNov 24 08:49
schestowitz> us to link to and what we actually want to link to from that subset.Nov 24 08:49
schestowitzSome products died, like LiMONov 24 08:49
schestowitz>> But nobody controls this sort of tech 'fashion'... it'll get worse inNov 24 08:54
schestowitz>> years to come. Many now replace actual journalism with selfie-modeNov 24 08:54
schestowitz>> "speaking to my phone" for YouTube/FarceBook "live"...Nov 24 08:54
schestowitz>>Nov 24 08:54
schestowitz>> A digital ashtray like G+...Nov 24 08:54
schestowitz>>Nov 24 08:54
schestowitz>> Notice how many 'mainstream' news sites go offline. Less competition forNov 24 08:54
schestowitz>> Techrights, I guess, but also mote broken links for TechrightsNov 24 08:54
schestowitz>>> outwards<. I hope IA survives another 1-2 decades.Nov 24 08:54
schestowitz> Yes, they are important but not everything is archived and there is noNov 24 08:54
schestowitz> reasonable way to search the archive.  I've gone through some of myNov 24 08:54
schestowitz> material from 10 years ago and nearly /every/ link is now dead and inNov 24 08:54
schestowitz> many cases even the site is gone.  But even ones that are still aroundNov 24 08:54
schestowitz> have become nasty, like ZDNet, and purge inconvenient material so thatNov 24 08:54
schestowitz> it is no longer accessible.  I guess IA will be around only as long asNov 24 08:54
schestowitz> it is hard to search.Nov 24 08:54
schestowitzFor public sites in the UK we have the National Archive. I once did some work for FSA redirection to the NA for pages that were no longer available (missing due to CMS shuffles).Nov 24 08:54
schestowitzThe Web is really bad when it comes to certain things. One day we'll be mocked for the cats, the memes and the loads of junk on social control media. Not that I'm sure future generations (what's left of them) will be better off.Nov 24 08:54
schestowitzMaybe in the so-called Internet of Things people will be treated as... THINGS. To be spied on, spoon-fed BS, and censored more heavily than anything we can presently imagine. For "national security" of course... for "our safety"... because "nazis" and "terrorists" and "pedos" and "pirates".Nov 24 08:54
schestowitzI've meanwhile been told that "Alpine is dine" and maybe we can get help with it. Also at HV level...Nov 24 08:54
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schestowitzhttps://linuxsecurity.com/features/features/nextcry-ransomware-targets-nextcloud-linux-servers-and-remains-undetectedNov 24 20:59
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