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schestowitzhttps://twitter.com/zoobab/status/1354865642990694402Jan 29 01:07
-TechBytesBot/#techbytes-@zoobab: Time for a "blockchain based social network"? https://t.co/TxR8LzcCRA #twitter #shadow #banningJan 29 01:07
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schestowitzhttps://twitter.com/iyearnx/status/1354950639567204358Jan 29 01:08
-TechBytesBot/#techbytes-@iyearnx: @schestowitz secret advice for the future: https://t.co/0gA6K3zEbtJan 29 01:08
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schestowitzhttps://twitter.com/thomas_lord/status/1354940876229808135Jan 29 01:09
-TechBytesBot/#techbytes-@thomas_lord: This outcome is why "Cygnus Support" was founded. Their first play was a hostile take-over of GCC. Their next pla… https://t.co/5ex2Q308cAJan 29 01:09
-TechBytesBot/#techbytes-@thomas_lord: This outcome is why "Cygnus Support" was founded. Their first play was a hostile take-over of GCC. Their next pla… https://t.co/5ex2Q308cAJan 29 01:09
schestowitz"This outcome is why "Cygnus Support" was founded.  Their first play was a hostile take-over of GCC.  Their next play was to help start the open source bullshit.  It was a bunch of slime that founded that company which later took over (by acquisition) Red Hat."Jan 29 01:09
schestowitzhttps://twitter.com/wget42/status/1354918598393950210Jan 29 01:09
-TechBytesBot/#techbytes-@wget42: @schestowitz Vendor locking? Ansible? Really? 🤔Jan 29 01:09
schestowitzhttps://twitter.com/MrIvanJohnson/status/1354907672810811392Jan 29 01:10
-TechBytesBot/#techbytes-@MrIvanJohnson: to those delusional souls who still think #BillGates is a Good Person or that he should be trusted re #covid vaccin… https://t.co/ZNIfD7j3ImJan 29 01:10
-TechBytesBot/#techbytes-@MrIvanJohnson: to those delusional souls who still think #BillGates is a Good Person or that he should be trusted re #covid vaccin… https://t.co/ZNIfD7j3ImJan 29 01:10
schestowitz"Jan 29 01:10
schestowitzto those delusional souls who still think #BillGates is a Good Person or that he should be trusted re #covid vaccines. v @yvessmithJan 29 01:10
schestowitz cc @schestowitzJan 29 01:10
schestowitz @AutomaticEarthJan 29 01:10
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schestowitzhttps://nakedcapitalism.com/2021/01/oxford-pledged-to-donate-covid-vaccine-rights-then-sold-them-thanks-to-bill-gates.htmlJan 29 01:10
-TechBytesBot/#techbytes-www.nakedcapitalism.com | Oxford Pledged to Donate Covid Vaccine Rights, Then Sold Them, Thanks to Bill Gates | naked capitalismJan 29 01:10
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schestowitzhttps://twitter.com/Plain_Old_Tim/status/1354885522120978444Jan 29 01:10
-TechBytesBot/#techbytes-@Plain_Old_Tim: @schestowitz Yes, I suspect there will be a conversion script out to turn CENT8 into UBL before the summer is over.… https://t.co/N3DAPuoj6RJan 29 01:10
-TechBytesBot/#techbytes-@Plain_Old_Tim: @schestowitz Yes, I suspect there will be a conversion script out to turn CENT8 into UBL before the summer is over.… https://t.co/N3DAPuoj6RJan 29 01:10
schestowitz"Yes, I suspect there will be a conversion script out to turn CENT8 into UBL before the summer is over. And in addition to their free distro the support on UBL premium is cheaper than RHEL. But... you have to work with Oracle and that's never fun."Jan 29 01:10
schestowitzhttps://twitter.com/Flavia0847/status/1354845150825107456Jan 29 01:10
-TechBytesBot/#techbytes-@Flavia0847: @schestowitz Nobody's getting out, they've all been 'legally charged and convicted'. Without legal charges and con… https://t.co/kNDs2jFYD6Jan 29 01:11
-TechBytesBot/#techbytes-@Flavia0847: @schestowitz Nobody's getting out, they've all been 'legally charged and convicted'. Without legal charges and con… https://t.co/kNDs2jFYD6Jan 29 01:11
schestowitz"Nobody's getting out, they've all been 'legally charged and convicted'.  Without legal charges and convictions,  private incarceration is just like kidnapping."Jan 29 01:11
schestowitzhttps://twitter.com/MrIvanJohnson/status/1354782667410169858Jan 29 01:11
-TechBytesBot/#techbytes-@MrIvanJohnson: @schestowitz @stacyherbert @DoubleEagle49 #StreisandEffect 🍿 https://t.co/ihpT6PVjyPJan 29 01:11
-TechBytesBot/#techbytes-@Grummz: The banning of wallstreetbets on Discord just hit the Streisand effect for this Gamestop business. People waking u… https://t.co/E3my17V58lJan 29 01:11
schestowitzhttps://twitter.com/kelly4NC/status/1354763885098708993Jan 29 01:11
-TechBytesBot/#techbytes-@kelly4NC: @schestowitz Today is a good day to quit the GOPJan 29 01:11
schestowitzhttps://twitter.com/liztormato/status/1354733876464263168Jan 29 01:11
-TechBytesBot/#techbytes-@liztormato: @joshuamy @schestowitz Being the only one to be convinced of something, does not necessarily mean that they're wron… https://t.co/ty2OrqyTAiJan 29 01:11
-TechBytesBot/#techbytes-@liztormato: @joshuamy @schestowitz Being the only one to be convinced of something, does not necessarily mean that they're wron… https://t.co/ty2OrqyTAiJan 29 01:11
schestowitz"Being the only one to be convinced of something, does not necessarily mean that they're wrong.  Therefore I would like to know more, to be able to make a more informed decision on how to judge that opinion.  Microsoft appears to be on a good path, they really weren't in the past!"Jan 29 01:11
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schestowitzhttps://twitter.com/joshuamy/status/1354625398324088835Jan 29 05:40
-TechBytesBot/#techbytes-@joshuamy: @liztormato @schestowitz Ignore this guy. He's practically the only person using the "deletegithub" hashtagJan 29 05:40
schestowitz> FWIW, I was able to make a small donation to GNUpg earlier this year.Jan 29 05:40
schestowitzI think they're OK, but why did they take FB money? Bad optics. It raises questions...Jan 29 05:40
schestowitz> Since TLS is mentioned, it might be relevant or not but MWL is headingJan 29 05:40
schestowitz> into the final stages of his book on TLS:Jan 29 05:40
schestowitz>Jan 29 05:40
schestowitz> https://mwl.io/archives/9938Jan 29 05:41
schestowitz>Jan 29 05:41
schestowitz> He's quite antagonistic towards GNU however.Jan 29 05:41
-TechBytesBot/#techbytes-mwl.io | “TLS Mastery” first draft done! – Michael Warren LucasJan 29 05:41
schestowitz>Jan 29 05:41
schestowitz> My own speculation is that web mail is promoted /because/ of theJan 29 05:41
schestowitz> sieve-like nature of the TLS-trust hierarchy and how the end points (theJan 29 05:41
schestowitz> proprietary javascript in the browsers) remain in the full control ofJan 29 05:41
schestowitz> the mail vendor.Jan 29 05:41
schestowitzOutsourced trust.Jan 29 05:41
schestowitz> Ubuntu 20.04 LTS has abandoned Thunderbird as far as I can tell, thereJan 29 05:41
schestowitz> is not even an improved version in back-portsJan 29 05:41
schestowitz>Jan 29 05:41
schestowitz> $ apt-cache policy thunderbird enigmail \Jan 29 05:41
schestowitz>   | sed -n '/^[^[:space:]]/,+2p'Jan 29 05:41
schestowitzYes, it is deprecated.Jan 29 05:41
schestowitzWhat a shame, what a loss.Jan 29 05:41
schestowitz> thunderbird:Jan 29 05:41
schestowitz>   Installed: 1:68.10.0+build1-0ubuntu0.20.04.1Jan 29 05:41
schestowitz>   Candidate: 1:68.10.0+build1-0ubuntu0.20.04.1Jan 29 05:41
schestowitz> enigmail:Jan 29 05:41
schestowitz>   Installed: 2:2.1.6+ds1-1Jan 29 05:41
schestowitz>   Candidate: 2:2.1.6+ds1-1Jan 29 05:41
schestowitz>Jan 29 05:41
schestowitz> and I have let time slip by.  The lack of support there is direJan 29 05:41
schestowitz>Jan 29 05:41
schestowitz> # zgrep -h -B 1 -E 'thunderbird|enigmail' \Jan 29 05:41
schestowitz>   /var/log/apt/history.log.?.gz | grep -i 'start-date' |Jan 29 05:41
schestowitz>Jan 29 05:41
schestowitz> Start-Date: 2020-04-23  07:34:03Jan 29 05:41
schestowitz> Start-Date: 2020-04-23  07:39:39Jan 29 05:41
schestowitz> Start-Date: 2020-06-16  15:33:54Jan 29 05:41
schestowitz>Jan 29 05:41
schestowitz> see also:Jan 29 05:41
schestowitz>Jan 29 05:41
schestowitz> https://askubuntu.com/questions/1270573/cannot-upgrade-to-latest-version-of-thunderbird-78Jan 29 05:41
-TechBytesBot/#techbytes-askubuntu.com | 20.04 - Cannot upgrade to latest version of thunderbird 78 - Ask UbuntuJan 29 05:41
schestowitzI already made the leap, seeing it would be hard to stay behind.Jan 29 05:41
schestowitz> and now I see I ought to find a work-around.  Especially since officialJan 29 05:41
schestowitz> support stopped in 2020:Jan 29 05:41
schestowitz>Jan 29 05:41
schestowitz> https://blog.thunderbird.net/2019/10/thunderbird-enigmail-and-openpgp/Jan 29 05:41
-TechBytesBot/#techbytes-blog.thunderbird.net | Thunderbird, Enigmail and OpenPGP | The Thunderbird BlogJan 29 05:41
schestowitzYes, that happened.Jan 29 05:42
schestowitz> However, I'm not sure about the battery support for my laptop in otherJan 29 05:42
schestowitz> distros as well as support for the government identifation card reader.Jan 29 05:42
schestowitz>Jan 29 05:42
schestowitz> Some of the countries have chipped identification cards nowadays andJan 29 05:42
schestowitz> they seem to use RSA keys.  I got the impression from a small sideJan 29 05:42
schestowitz> comment in a mailing list that at least one can be used to sign OpenPGPJan 29 05:42
schestowitz> that way, but the details are not well known.  xxxx and xxx wouldJan 29 05:42
schestowitz> be the places to check about that.Jan 29 05:42
schestowitz> Also, OpenPGP is used by all (AFIK) distros for packaging.Jan 29 05:42
schestowitz> Please let me know if this came through with encryption and with myJan 29 05:43
schestowitz> public key attached.  TB78 will not let me encrypt a message toJan 29 05:43
schestowitz> s@xxxxxxx using the key labelled r@xxxxxJan 29 05:43
schestowitzAssuming this will use by default the key I've just added, this is a test.Jan 29 05:43
schestowitz> $ apt-cache policy sequoiaJan 29 05:43
schestowitz> N: Unable to locate package sequoiaJan 29 05:43
schestowitz>Jan 29 05:43
schestowitz> $ apt-cache policy nettle-bin | head -n 3Jan 29 05:43
schestowitz> nettle-bin:Jan 29 05:43
schestowitz>   Installed: (none)Jan 29 05:43
schestowitz>   Candidate: 3.6-2Jan 29 05:43
schestowitz> Hi Roy :-) Just a quick hello to say I've not vanished; the art is stillJan 29 05:51
schestowitz> on the way (back issues at mo). Have a good weekend. Cheers,Jan 29 05:51
schestowitzExcellent, thank you!Jan 29 05:51
schestowitzOver here, still trying to cope with ISP issues and lockdown.Jan 29 05:51
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schestowitz>> I believe this is the first E-mail message I can readJan 29 06:03
schestowitz>> directly from ThunderBird as opposed to the CLI withJan 29 06:03
schestowitz>> files.Jan 29 06:04
schestowitz> I put the GnuPG output (with --armour) in the body of theJan 29 06:04
schestowitz> email. That may be why you can read it straight inJan 29 06:04
schestowitz> Thunderbird.Jan 29 06:04
schestowitz>> Assuming this will use by default the key I've just added, this is a test.Jan 29 06:07
schestowitz>>Jan 29 06:07
schestowitz> It came through.  TB 78 seems to have fewer choices for managing keysJan 29 06:07
schestowitz> than Engimail did.Jan 29 06:07
schestowitzI don't suppose they will add more options, as that might "confuse the user"Jan 29 06:07
schestowitz>> I don't suppose they will add more options, as that might "confuse the user"Jan 29 06:22
schestowitz>>Jan 29 06:22
schestowitz>>Jan 29 06:22
schestowitz> Well as it stands it is very hard to see if the incoming message wasJan 29 06:22
schestowitz> encrypted.  It takes many clicks to verify that the outgoing messageJan 29 06:22
schestowitz> will be encrypted.  Both statuses were indicated with clear icons byJan 29 06:22
schestowitz> Enigmail.Jan 29 06:22
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schestowitz> http://techrights.org/irc-archives/irc-log-techrights-280121.html#tJan%2028%2010:25:54Jan 29 07:39
-TechBytesBot/#techbytes-techrights.org | IRC: #techrights @ FreeNode: Thursday, January 28, 2021Jan 29 07:39
schestowitz>Jan 29 07:39
schestowitz> Alpine is gone, and does not deal with OpenPGP in a reasonable manner.Jan 29 07:39
schestowitz> Mutt has too much of a learning curve.  Are there better options?Jan 29 07:39
schestowitzAt first I thought you were referring to the distro, which had a new release hours ago. http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/147018Jan 29 07:40
-TechBytesBot/#techbytes-www.tuxmachines.org | Alpine 3.13.1 released | Tux MachinesJan 29 07:40
schestowitzWorth noting:Jan 29 07:40
schestowitzDrew DeVault (1):Jan 29 07:40
schestowitz      main/doas: patch out PATH reset vulnerabilityJan 29 07:40
schestowitzI know about pine/alpine, maybe Linus even /still/ uses it.Jan 29 07:40
schestowitzI have so much stuff in Thunderbird that I'd dread moving away. I suggest you stick to it. If Mozilla f's up, someone will fork it or take over.Jan 29 07:40
schestowitzOver time I got used to the new pgp handling in TB, seeing there are some workarounds in settings.Jan 29 07:40
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Techrights-secWhen we went over to fibre, the ISP took away our ability to use IPv6Jan 29 12:57
Techrights-secdirectly.  There may still be a work-around.Jan 29 12:57
schestowitzx https://www.analyticsinsight.net/revenera-finds-open-source-used-more-than-companies-disclose/Jan 29 23:13
-TechBytesBot/#techbytes-www.analyticsinsight.net | Revenera Finds Open Source Used More Than Companies DiscloseJan 29 23:13
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