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| Ariadne | I'm Miss Emily Rooney. I came across your profile on Github's website. I | Dec 02 01:12 |
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| Ariadne | decided to write to you please chat with me. I have important business to | Dec 02 01:12 |
| Ariadne | discuss with you. I am waiting for your mail. Thanks. | Dec 02 01:12 |
| Ariadne | well, that's a new one | Dec 02 01:12 |
| Ariadne | schestowitz: no | Dec 02 01:12 |
| DaemonFC[m] | https://www.nytimes.com/2020/12/01/us/politics/rudy-giuliani-pardon.html | Dec 02 01:40 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.nytimes.com | Trump Has Discussed With Advisers Pardons for His 3 Eldest Children and Giuliani - The New York Times | Dec 02 01:40 | |
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| schestowitz | oh, crap | Dec 02 03:26 |
| schestowitz | when blocking a DDOS attack | Dec 02 03:26 |
| schestowitz | I forgot to undo it | Dec 02 03:26 |
| schestowitz | ended blocking all 2020 articles for over 4 hours !!! | Dec 02 03:27 |
| schestowitz | Ariadne: instead of setting up a new pleroma instance is it possible to take the existing pleroma.site instance, in case it's orphaned? | Dec 02 04:40 |
| schestowitz | 2 days of downtime now, I tried looking for info but found none | Dec 02 04:40 |
| Ariadne | href is not presently on irc | Dec 02 04:40 |
| schestowitz | OK, thanks, very odd... | Dec 02 04:40 |
| cybrNaut | we need a remedy for all the scumbags #DiaperDon has pardoned. Perhaps an organised boycott against their businesses. Does Giuliani have or benefit from any businesses? | Dec 02 05:01 |
| schestowitz | paint business | Dec 02 05:02 |
| schestowitz | Ariadne: just a quick question: do you reckon the site will come back in one form or another? Many people rely on it, not just me and tuxmachines | Dec 02 05:04 |
| Ariadne | no idea | Dec 02 05:04 |
| Ariadne | hopefully so | Dec 02 05:04 |
| Ariadne | cybrNaut: lmfao giuliana owns an INFOSEC company | Dec 02 05:05 |
| Ariadne | giuliani | Dec 02 05:05 |
| Ariadne | even | Dec 02 05:05 |
| schestowitz | Ariadne: i will check wait longer then.. | Dec 02 05:05 |
| Ariadne | you should just boycott that anyway because i am sure it is awful | Dec 02 05:05 |
| schestowitz | but well-connected | Dec 02 05:05 |
| Ariadne | sure, i'm just saying infosec advice from giuliani is probably wrong and you're probably better off doing the exact opposite of whatever his company were to advise | Dec 02 05:06 |
| schestowitz | no need for merit, just slap "infosec" and "secop" on it, then wait for the grifting | Dec 02 05:06 |
| Ariadne | giulianisec says "don't hand over your data to attackers", definitely hand that data right over | Dec 02 05:07 |
| schestowitz | "keep your antivirus up to date" | Dec 02 05:09 |
| schestowitz | I had to do a module this this last week for ISO certification, those things are RIDICIULOUS | Dec 02 05:09 |
| schestowitz | then they require you t parrot the ridiculous | Dec 02 05:10 |
| Ariadne | antivirus is worthless | Dec 02 05:10 |
| Ariadne | even on windows | Dec 02 05:10 |
| Ariadne | just don't go to dodgy websites and don't open dodgy emails | Dec 02 05:10 |
| Ariadne | which you shouldn't do on any OS | Dec 02 05:11 |
| schestowitz | that's just a start | Dec 02 05:11 |
| Ariadne | most of that security software is snake oil | Dec 02 05:11 |
| Ariadne | you get better security wins from teaching your staff to use their fucking brains | Dec 02 05:11 |
| cybrNaut | https://web.archive.org/web/http://www.giulianisecurity.com/ | Dec 02 05:13 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-web.archive.org | Giuliani Security & Safety – Global Security Services – Global security services provided by the most elite security professionals in the world. We also offer criminal justice reform, compliance investigations, and more. | Dec 02 05:13 | |
| Ariadne | :D | Dec 02 05:13 |
| schestowitz | "criminal justice reform" | Dec 02 05:13 |
| schestowitz | aiding and pardoning criminals | Dec 02 05:13 |
| schestowitz | of the most dangerous kind | Dec 02 05:13 |
| Ariadne | yeah i wouldn't tust his criminal justice reform | Dec 02 05:13 |
| cybrNaut | bummer.. it's not really a boycott if most ppl aren't feeding him anyway | Dec 02 05:14 |
| Ariadne | another case where you just do the opposite of whatever he says | Dec 02 05:14 |
| schestowitz | ‘Someone’s Going to Get Killed’: #Georgia Election Official’s Emotional Plea to #Trump , Loeffler, Perdue https://www.rollingstone.com/politics/politics-news/2020-election-georgia-fraud-trump-get-killed-loeffler-perdue-1097247/ | Dec 02 05:14 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.rollingstone.com | Georgia Election Official Begs Trump to Stop Spreading Conspiracies - Rolling Stone | Dec 02 05:14 | |
| schestowitz | ‘Someone’s Going To Get Killed’: Ga. Official Blasts #GOP Silence On #Election Threats https://text.npr.org/940961602 | Dec 02 05:14 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-text.npr.org | 'Someone's Going To Get Killed': Ga. Official Blasts GOP Silence On Election Threats | Dec 02 05:14 | |
| schestowitz | Georgia elections official urges Trump to rein in supporters https://apnews.com/article/donald-trump-georgia-elections-58e0fe86f601e092779c413fdad52a63 | Dec 02 05:14 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-apnews.com | Georgia elections official urges Trump to rein in supporters | Dec 02 05:14 | |
| cybrNaut | well, Giuliani was good with cleaning up NY (criminal justice reform) -- before he got involved with #DiaperDon | Dec 02 05:16 |
| schestowitz | I only remember him for 9/11 | Dec 02 05:16 |
| schestowitz | not exactly a shining hour | Dec 02 05:17 |
| schestowitz | but now we get 9/11s per day | Dec 02 05:17 |
| schestowitz | while he defends a covid denier | Dec 02 05:17 |
| Ariadne | as biden said in 2008, "noun, verb, 9/11" | Dec 02 05:18 |
| schestowitz | 2,611 deaths yesterday in the US, with #COVID19 -- wait until those #thanksgiving travel figures are factored in | Dec 02 05:18 |
| chovy | anyong hiring a junior-mid level linux sysadmin? | Dec 02 06:33 |
| schestowitz | should have asked before covid ^_^ | Dec 02 07:03 |
| schestowitz | I used to know of firms that still hired | Dec 02 07:03 |
| schestowitz | even the one we work for | Dec 02 07:03 |
| schestowitz | IBM laying off about 10,000 engs in Europe right now | Dec 02 07:04 |
| schestowitz | so the competition for openings too is intensifying | Dec 02 07:04 |
| schestowitz | > | Dec 02 07:51 |
| schestowitz | > Oiaohm is really on an argumentum ab auctoritate kick lately. | Dec 02 07:51 |
| schestowitz | > | Dec 02 07:51 |
| schestowitz | >> Even invdividuals these days have to live by socal norms. Its not | Dec 02 07:51 |
| schestowitz | > like we have nude Philosophers walking around in barrels being classed | Dec 02 07:51 |
| schestowitz | > as acceptable. | Dec 02 07:51 |
| schestowitz | > | Dec 02 07:51 |
| schestowitz | > Don't tempt me. Also does he think it's because we actually disallow | Dec 02 07:51 |
| schestowitz | > people walking in barrels or because that would be far less convenient | Dec 02 07:51 |
| schestowitz | > than wearing something a bit more ergonomic? It's like he's not even | Dec 02 07:51 |
| schestowitz | > trying this week, I expect better from a first-class pedant. | Dec 02 07:51 |
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| oiaohm | schestowitz: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Indecent_exposure Really who was the one who pulled that up. My point is based on the general laws. | Dec 02 10:19 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-en.wikipedia.org | Indecent exposure - Wikipedia | Dec 02 10:19 | |
| oiaohm | Generally there are lot of things we cannot legally do. | Dec 02 10:19 |
| oiaohm | because socal norms have been coded into law. | Dec 02 10:19 |
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| DaemonFC[m] | Trump is arranging pardons for the entire Trump Crime Family including Leaking Hair Dye Court Jester Giuliani. | Dec 02 14:36 |
| DaemonFC[m] | We knew this was coming, though. | Dec 02 14:36 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Won't be enough to save anyone from state prosecutors. | Dec 02 14:36 |
| DaemonFC[m] | <schestowitz "so the competition for openings "> Yeah, first they came for the...... | Dec 02 14:37 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Anyway, have fun with that. | Dec 02 14:37 |
| DaemonFC[m] | I believe it goes yada yada then they came for me, and there was nobody left to fight for me. | Dec 02 14:38 |
| DaemonFC[m] | That's where this free trade and open borders shit was heading 30 years ago, schestowitz | Dec 02 14:38 |
| MinceR | https://i.imgur.com/Tqfmv3I.jpg | Dec 02 14:38 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Tax incentives to figure out ways to fire Americans. | Dec 02 14:38 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Microsoft loves raiding the Treasury. | Dec 02 14:38 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Microsoft loves permatemps. | Dec 02 14:39 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Microsoft loves "interns". | Dec 02 14:39 |
| DaemonFC[m] | It's the oldest trick in the book. Divide and conquer. | Dec 02 14:39 |
| DaemonFC[m] | First you go after the blue collar workers because you can just up and replace them with robots or sweatshop labor. | Dec 02 14:40 |
| DaemonFC[m] | And these people with degrees on their wall are like oh they'll never attack me, I'm far too highly skilled. | Dec 02 14:40 |
| DaemonFC[m] | It results in an economy where you're either the CEO of something or an Uber driver. | Dec 02 14:41 |
| DaemonFC[m] | The far-right thrives on that. They have no incentive to do anything except making it worse, like Trump's updates to NAFTA, or Brexit. | Dec 02 14:42 |
| DaemonFC[m] | As long as they can fan the flames by making people broke and desperate, they'll keep getting crazier and more politically extreme. | Dec 02 14:42 |
| MinceR | (cat) https://ircz.de/p/20072550 | Dec 02 14:52 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-ircz.de | IRCZ makes your life worth living Post object (4782121) | Dec 02 14:52 | |
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| MinceR | https://xkcd.com/2258/ | Dec 02 15:15 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-xkcd: Solar System Changes | Dec 02 15:15 | |
| MinceR | https://xkcd.com/2261/ | Dec 02 15:37 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-xkcd: Worst Thing That Could Happen | Dec 02 15:37 | |
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| MinceR | (audio:important) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E6j8br2SNGU | Dec 02 16:18 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-[YTP] Drug DeMuro's Bonkers Backseat Bonanza - YouTube | Dec 02 16:18 | |
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| MinceR | (cat) https://ircz.de/p/20072423 | Dec 02 16:52 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-ircz.de | IRCZ makes your life worth living Post object (4778817) | Dec 02 16:52 | |
| schestowitz | MinceR: at least they stand up for something... | Dec 02 17:00 |
| schestowitz | Ariadne: today I checked href's profiles etc. | Dec 02 17:03 |
| schestowitz | didn't know who he was | Dec 02 17:03 |
| schestowitz | or that stuff about gitlab about pleroma | Dec 02 17:03 |
| schestowitz | seems pleroma.site is registered until 2022 | Dec 02 17:03 |
| schestowitz | April iirc | Dec 02 17:04 |
| schestowitz | hope the site comes back | Dec 02 17:04 |
| schestowitz | already lost 3 fediverse accounts | Dec 02 17:04 |
| schestowitz | in like... maybe 4 years | Dec 02 17:04 |
| schestowitz | self-hosting one would mean lots of maintenance | Dec 02 17:04 |
| schestowitz | and learning new things, having to fix things, back up, renew stuff, upgrades | Dec 02 17:04 |
| schestowitz | and lots of disk space I think | Dec 02 17:04 |
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| schestowitz | the vision of fediverse seems idealistic\ in that light | Dec 02 17:05 |
| schestowitz | I miss the days MORE of us just had ACTIVE blogs with RSS | Dec 02 17:05 |
| schestowitz | We'd follow each others' xml/atom | Dec 02 17:05 |
| schestowitz | and then be able to comment on each other's site | Dec 02 17:05 |
| schestowitz | no need to maintain copies of objects on few servers with objects from lots of instances | Dec 02 17:06 |
| schestowitz | either way, if href is just 'incommunicado', then I'll wait a few more days before leaping to any decisions/actions | Dec 02 17:06 |
| schestowitz | just a shame that without any prior warning the site just went down. Weeks prior to that image uploads stopped working in the site, so maybe technical burden/debt causes fatigue | Dec 02 17:07 |
| schestowitz | On December 15th Twitter becomes NOT accessible at all unless you run proprietary JavaScript on your machine. To myself and many others this will be the end of Twitter. | Dec 02 17:08 |
| schestowitz | That's social control media | Dec 02 17:08 |
| schestowitz | harvesting people's data. | Dec 02 17:08 |
| fujisan | hello | Dec 02 17:09 |
| fujisan | schestowitz: | Dec 02 17:09 |
| schestowitz | hi fujisan | Dec 02 17:09 |
| schestowitz | we met before, have we not? | Dec 02 17:09 |
| schestowitz | You oddly enough said something about rianne's cooking skils | Dec 02 17:10 |
| schestowitz | *skills | Dec 02 17:10 |
| fujisan | we were both here before | Dec 02 17:10 |
| fujisan | i dunno if we actually interacted | Dec 02 17:10 |
| schestowitz | yeah, well... | Dec 02 17:11 |
| schestowitz | We're still doing OK | Dec 02 17:11 |
| schestowitz | gym reopened today | Dec 02 17:11 |
| schestowitz | the sites still going, pleroma.site down for 2.5 days | Dec 02 17:11 |
| schestowitz | I think covid19 took its toll on many sites | Dec 02 17:11 |
| schestowitz | groklaw down now for 6 weeks | Dec 02 17:11 |
| schestowitz | and it's just one of many such sites | Dec 02 17:12 |
| schestowitz | people looking to cut down expenses and all | Dec 02 17:12 |
| schestowitz | saddening | Dec 02 17:12 |
| schestowitz | even if one isn't struggling directly, the surroundings rot away | Dec 02 17:12 |
| fujisan | yeah i have been living in total isolation for 8 months or so but being an extreme introvert for decades has prepared me well | Dec 02 17:13 |
| fujisan | i'd say if the whole world live like me there wouldnt be as many cases | Dec 02 17:13 |
| fujisan | lived* | Dec 02 17:13 |
| schestowitz | I left home today for first time in 16 days | Dec 02 17:14 |
| schestowitz | we had had lockdowns | Dec 02 17:14 |
| schestowitz | I did visit only the next-door neighbour | Dec 02 17:14 |
| schestowitz | anyway | Dec 02 17:14 |
| schestowitz | we've only just seen teh beginning of it | Dec 02 17:14 |
| fujisan | my record is 114 days | Dec 02 17:14 |
| fujisan | this year | Dec 02 17:14 |
| schestowitz | houses are being sold here as means of emergency fund-raising as people lose work and pensions | Dec 02 17:14 |
| fujisan | i work for the government so i have been working remotely | Dec 02 17:15 |
| fujisan | my local gov that is | Dec 02 17:15 |
| schestowitz | buying food by home delivery I assume | Dec 02 17:15 |
| fujisan | yep | Dec 02 17:15 |
| schestowitz | 114 days might be hard if you need to buy some things and not over the Net | Dec 02 17:15 |
| fujisan | true | Dec 02 17:16 |
| schestowitz | our tech jobs will be next to go | Dec 02 17:16 |
| schestowitz | they cannot automate everything, but they can decrease the need for manpower | Dec 02 17:16 |
| fujisan | havent been in the office for like 263 days now | Dec 02 17:16 |
| schestowitz | we shut down our office in July | Dec 02 17:16 |
| fujisan | i work in finance actually | Dec 02 17:16 |
| schestowitz | first time for the company since 1990s | Dec 02 17:16 |
| schestowitz | finance jobs can be sent offshore | Dec 02 17:17 |
| fujisan | our workload increased due to covid | Dec 02 17:17 |
| schestowitz | as can many other jobs | Dec 02 17:17 |
| fujisan | not these kind of jobs | Dec 02 17:17 |
| schestowitz | when people work from home their advantage (physical proximity) is already gone | Dec 02 17:17 |
| fujisan | they require indepth knowledge of the legislation and language skills | Dec 02 17:17 |
| schestowitz | techrights.org/2018/07/22/antonio-campinos-outsourcing/ | Dec 02 17:17 |
| schestowitz | http://techrights.org/2018/07/22/antonio-campinos-outsourcing/ | Dec 02 17:17 |
| fujisan | and my main language isnt english | Dec 02 17:17 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | ‘Efficiency’ in Action: António Campinos is Sending Jobs Abroad, Then Gagging Critics | Techrights | Dec 02 17:17 | |
| schestowitz | don't overestimate your job security | Dec 02 17:17 |
| schestowitz | or underestimate the COVID excuses for sending jobs elsewhere | Dec 02 17:18 |
| fujisan | im not | Dec 02 17:18 |
| schestowitz | in the name of "we must save money" | Dec 02 17:18 |
| fujisan | the organisation i work for is wealthy | Dec 02 17:18 |
| fujisan | they have like 4000 million euros | Dec 02 17:18 |
| schestowitz | ok, so statistically speaking it's not safe, but you might be on the shallow end of the pool | Dec 02 17:18 |
| fujisan | im not worried but i get your point | Dec 02 17:19 |
| schestowitz | EPO had also about 4000 million euros | Dec 02 17:19 |
| fujisan | even if i lose it it's fine | Dec 02 17:19 |
| schestowitz | but read November 2020 article sin techrights | Dec 02 17:19 |
| fujisan | it's a gov organisation different rules apply | Dec 02 17:19 |
| schestowitz | they fake their financial situation | Dec 02 17:19 |
| fujisan | it's not like a regular business | Dec 02 17:19 |
| schestowitz | because nothing is ever enough, now they rob staff and reduce the number of employees | Dec 02 17:19 |
| schestowitz | based on a hoax 'study' from the Mercers | Dec 02 17:19 |
| fujisan | and my job i got it because i have autism | Dec 02 17:20 |
| schestowitz | EPO is also like gov | Dec 02 17:20 |
| fujisan | and the gov has a plan to hire more disabled ppl | Dec 02 17:20 |
| fujisan | they even have issues finding enough skilled disabled ppl for this plan | Dec 02 17:20 |
| fujisan | so if i get sacked i can work for another gov org | Dec 02 17:20 |
| schestowitz | https://www.commondreams.org/news/2020/12/01/utterly-arbitrary-and-unlawful-farmworker-groups-sue-block-trump-wage-freeze | Dec 02 17:21 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.commondreams.org | 'Utterly Arbitrary and Unlawful': Farmworker Groups Sue to Block Trump Wage Freeze | Common Dreams News | Dec 02 17:21 | |
| schestowitz | this I just stumbled upon | Dec 02 17:21 |
| schestowitz | moments ago, by chance | Dec 02 17:21 |
| schestowitz | don't assume gov will keep employees | Dec 02 17:21 |
| schestowitz | even if there's money to pay them | Dec 02 17:21 |
| fujisan | im not but im from the Netherlands | Dec 02 17:21 |
| schestowitz | the rich are revolting | Dec 02 17:21 |
| schestowitz | covid gives them excuses | Dec 02 17:21 |
| fujisan | we are relatively wealthy and can handle it | Dec 02 17:21 |
| schestowitz | they want more money and power | Dec 02 17:21 |
| fujisan | plus the cure is around the corner now | Dec 02 17:21 |
| schestowitz | it's not | Dec 02 17:22 |
| MinceR | https://hugelolcdn.com/i/705891.jpg | Dec 02 17:22 |
| fujisan | it's not? | Dec 02 17:22 |
| schestowitz | the hype is more than around the corner | Dec 02 17:22 |
| schestowitz | the hype is here | Dec 02 17:22 |
| fujisan | Moderna, Pfizer ? | Dec 02 17:22 |
| schestowitz | experimenting on people | Dec 02 17:22 |
| fujisan | is that all not true? | Dec 02 17:22 |
| schestowitz | Pfizer is dodgy | Dec 02 17:22 |
| fujisan | what about Oxford? | Dec 02 17:22 |
| schestowitz | We wrote 6 articles about them | Dec 02 17:22 |
| schestowitz | they're a bit of a ponzi schene | Dec 02 17:22 |
| schestowitz | *scheme | Dec 02 17:22 |
| fujisan | you are a real dr btw? | Dec 02 17:22 |
| CrystalMath | fujisan: i was hopeful about that one, based on how thye made it | Dec 02 17:23 |
| schestowitz | What abotu sputnik-v? | Dec 02 17:23 |
| fujisan | M.D. | Dec 02 17:23 |
| CrystalMath | but it seems that it sucks | Dec 02 17:23 |
| MinceR | other doctors are not "real"? :> | Dec 02 17:23 |
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| CrystalMath | schestowitz is an M.D.? | Dec 02 17:23 |
| fujisan | my uncle is a dr. | Dec 02 17:23 |
| fujisan | i dunno i assumed based on his hostmask and the context of this debate | Dec 02 17:23 |
| CrystalMath | he has a PhD | Dec 02 17:24 |
| schestowitz | not even md is into epidemics | Dec 02 17:24 |
| fujisan | oh okay | Dec 02 17:24 |
| schestowitz | few are | Dec 02 17:24 |
| CrystalMath | but i'm not sure which science though | Dec 02 17:24 |
| schestowitz | md typically means practising medicine, not vaccine research | Dec 02 17:24 |
| fujisan | what kind of PhD for which field? | Dec 02 17:24 |
| schestowitz | medical biophysics | Dec 02 17:25 |
| fujisan | okay nice | Dec 02 17:25 |
| schestowitz | I knew astrazeneca | Dec 02 17:25 |
| schestowitz | they 'funded' (bribed) some students | Dec 02 17:25 |
| schestowitz | they make money from 'luxury' (overpriced) drugs | Dec 02 17:25 |
| schestowitz | it takes 5-15 to develop vaccines | Dec 02 17:26 |
| schestowitz | and then test them | Dec 02 17:26 |
| schestowitz | long and short term impact | Dec 02 17:26 |
| CrystalMath | 5-15 what? | Dec 02 17:26 |
| schestowitz | not months | Dec 02 17:26 |
| schestowitz | years | Dec 02 17:26 |
| CrystalMath | i would say years | Dec 02 17:26 |
| fujisan | what about distributed bio that got sponsored via Bill & Melinda? | Dec 02 17:26 |
| schestowitz | sorry, forgot that word | Dec 02 17:26 |
| schestowitz | Gates is a scam | Dec 02 17:26 |
| fujisan | and what about Bionntech | Dec 02 17:26 |
| schestowitz | and he's trying another new scam to outrun bezos | Dec 02 17:26 |
| fujisan | so everyone is a scam? | Dec 02 17:26 |
| schestowitz | because of Gates involvement few people would accept a vaccine now | Dec 02 17:27 |
| fujisan | are you from Moldova? | Dec 02 17:27 |
| CrystalMath | fujisan: to put it simply, there's no cure for covid in sight | Dec 02 17:27 |
| schestowitz | because he is a convicted criminal who knows nothing about the field | Dec 02 17:27 |
| schestowitz | he has always been after money | Dec 02 17:27 |
| schestowitz | CrystalMath: there is not | Dec 02 17:27 |
| schestowitz | there are press releases | Dec 02 17:27 |
| fujisan | not a cure but a vaccin to prevent the disease from inception | Dec 02 17:27 |
| schestowitz | with claims | Dec 02 17:27 |
| schestowitz | and secret data | Dec 02 17:27 |
| schestowitz | maybe they give you stats about young people | Dec 02 17:27 |
| schestowitz | and they now want many people to join they experiment | Dec 02 17:28 |
| schestowitz | and there's high risk, that's why they even OFFER them money | Dec 02 17:28 |
| schestowitz | I suppose to also sign some documents (waivers) | Dec 02 17:28 |
| fujisan | what about Herd immunity and the pandemic of 1890 that was also a corona virus that mutated and became mild? | Dec 02 17:28 |
| fujisan | the forgotten pandemic | Dec 02 17:28 |
| schestowitz | her immunity s a joke | Dec 02 17:28 |
| CrystalMath | there was a coronavirus in around 1000 too | Dec 02 17:28 |
| schestowitz | overpopulation is not | Dec 02 17:28 |
| CrystalMath | that's when Setracovirus hit | Dec 02 17:29 |
| schestowitz | we cannot properly isolate people anymore | Dec 02 17:29 |
| schestowitz | esp. in big cities like ours | Dec 02 17:29 |
| fujisan | true | Dec 02 17:29 |
| schestowitz | or most Dutch cities | Dec 02 17:29 |
| fujisan | so what is the solution? | Dec 02 17:29 |
| schestowitz | a sinking country | Dec 02 17:29 |
| CrystalMath | Setracovirus being an alphacoronavirus species | Dec 02 17:29 |
| schestowitz | if you count all the soft soil | Dec 02 17:29 |
| CrystalMath | nowadays you know Setracovirus as the common cold | Dec 02 17:29 |
| fujisan | being below sealevel yes some cities are sinking true | Dec 02 17:29 |
| CrystalMath | well, one of the causes | Dec 02 17:29 |
| schestowitz | (I forgot the details about population density in .nl but read about that ages ago) | Dec 02 17:29 |
| fujisan | the world is sinking as a matter of fact because of climate change | Dec 02 17:29 |
| schestowitz | jakarta | Dec 02 17:30 |
| schestowitz | i heard it won't be capital anymore | Dec 02 17:30 |
| fujisan | schestowitz: it's populated but only in urban areas | Dec 02 17:30 |
| schestowitz | and people will abandon/relocate | Dec 02 17:30 |
| fujisan | in other areas it's not so populated | Dec 02 17:30 |
| schestowitz | fujisan: that's where most things are | Dec 02 17:30 |
| schestowitz | we're reliant on that density | Dec 02 17:30 |
| schestowitz | Internet, electricity, roads | Dec 02 17:30 |
| schestowitz | unless you're some Eskimo | Dec 02 17:31 |
| schestowitz | or some hunter gatherer | Dec 02 17:31 |
| fujisan | arent you worried about phosphor depletion ? | Dec 02 17:31 |
| fujisan | or drinking water depletion | Dec 02 17:31 |
| schestowitz | btw | Dec 02 17:32 |
| fujisan | i mean isnt covid a hyperbole? | Dec 02 17:32 |
| schestowitz | in case you do not read techrights | Dec 02 17:32 |
| schestowitz | epo is in nl | Dec 02 17:32 |
| schestowitz | two cities there mostly | Dec 02 17:32 |
| schestowitz | large cities | Dec 02 17:32 |
| schestowitz | the staff is crushed | Dec 02 17:32 |
| schestowitz | in europe's second-largest org | Dec 02 17:32 |
| schestowitz | the gov is not protecting them | Dec 02 17:32 |
| schestowitz | instead if protected the immunity of the epo managers | Dec 02 17:32 |
| fujisan | this whole covid is bad ofc. but it also creates a lot of myopia | Dec 02 17:32 |
| schestowitz | and even the highest court doubled down on it | Dec 02 17:32 |
| schestowitz | and if epo is screwed, then labour rights in ALL of europe is bygone | Dec 02 17:33 |
| fujisan | the solution to this crisis is in a book | Dec 02 17:33 |
| schestowitz | fujisan: wait till you're surrounded by employed people... like 50% real unemployment | Dec 02 17:33 |
| fujisan | a book i got a few years ago | Dec 02 17:33 |
| MinceR | 02 182939 < CrystalMath> nowadays you know Setracovirus as the common cold | Dec 02 17:33 |
| schestowitz | the government doesn't say how bad things really are | Dec 02 17:33 |
| MinceR | the common cold is caused by many different viruses | Dec 02 17:33 |
| schestowitz | restaurants, hospitality, stadiums... | Dec 02 17:33 |
| fujisan | schestowitz: im not worried about the economy | Dec 02 17:33 |
| schestowitz | they count one parents working as "employed" couple | Dec 02 17:34 |
| schestowitz | and don't count those who gave up looking | Dec 02 17:34 |
| schestowitz | [14:41] <DaemonFC[m]> It results in an economy where you're either the CEO of something or an Uber driver. | Dec 02 17:34 |
| schestowitz | [14:42] <DaemonFC[m]> The far-right thrives on that. They have no incentive to do anything except making it worse, like Trump's updates to NAFTA, or Brexit. | Dec 02 17:34 |
| schestowitz | [14:42] <DaemonFC[m]> As long as they can fan the flames by making people broke and desperate, they'll keep getting crazier and more politically extreme. | Dec 02 17:34 |
| schestowitz | DaemonFC[m] put it the way I would too | Dec 02 17:34 |
| fujisan | im more worried about phosphor depletion and droughts and not producing enough food, which got forecasted for the 2030s 10 years ago | Dec 02 17:34 |
| MinceR | rhinoviruses, human coronaviruses, influenza viruses, adenoviruses, etc. | Dec 02 17:34 |
| schestowitz | breaking in, muggings etc. to follow | Dec 02 17:34 |
| fujisan | which isn't the case yet right now | Dec 02 17:34 |
| fujisan | we have a good welfare system here im not worried | Dec 02 17:35 |
| schestowitz | the droughts happen already | Dec 02 17:35 |
| schestowitz | see vietnam, ph etc. | Dec 02 17:35 |
| fujisan | i know | Dec 02 17:35 |
| CrystalMath | MinceR: i addeed "well, one of the causes" | Dec 02 17:35 |
| fujisan | here as well | Dec 02 17:35 |
| schestowitz | lots of floods etc. | Dec 02 17:35 |
| schestowitz | importing excess from other countries works ok as long as they too don't have droughts | Dec 02 17:35 |
| CrystalMath | MinceR: i'm aware of the other causes | Dec 02 17:35 |
| schestowitz | otherwise it's another ukraine 1930s | Dec 02 17:35 |
| fujisan | overpopulation is a driven force to a lot of issues i know that as well but it's still a taboo to address | Dec 02 17:36 |
| fujisan | driving* | Dec 02 17:36 |
| CrystalMath | MinceR: all coronaviruses eventually become tame | Dec 02 17:36 |
| MinceR | [citation needed] | Dec 02 17:36 |
| schestowitz | like the black plague | Dec 02 17:36 |
| schestowitz | it became tame | Dec 02 17:36 |
| fujisan | the black plague is still around and there are still cases of it | Dec 02 17:36 |
| schestowitz | ad europe becomes a lot less populated | Dec 02 17:36 |
| CrystalMath | MinceR: they all did so far, and i can extrapolate based on the fact that they mutate exceptionally | Dec 02 17:36 |
| fujisan | just very few cases | Dec 02 17:36 |
| CrystalMath | MinceR: Setracovirus's original impact used to be a 1%-5% death rate according to research, nowadays it's a joke | Dec 02 17:37 |
| fujisan | i was in micropia the microbe museum in Amsterdam, 67% of all life on earth are microbes, bacteria or viruses only 33 % is visible to us humans | Dec 02 17:37 |
| fujisan | this is just 1 virus | Dec 02 17:37 |
| fujisan | of that 67% | Dec 02 17:37 |
| CrystalMath | MinceR: the 1890 betacoronavirus also stopped killing, although we're not sure what that was | Dec 02 17:38 |
| schestowitz | fujisan: that's missing the point | Dec 02 17:38 |
| schestowitz | not all are as fatal when you catch it or easy to pass around | Dec 02 17:38 |
| CrystalMath | if we were to think of COVID-19 as a repeat of 1890 | Dec 02 17:39 |
| CrystalMath | then 8 million would die tops | Dec 02 17:39 |
| schestowitz | we saw how we can have over 1000 uk deaths a day within weeks of it passing around with few restrictions in place | Dec 02 17:39 |
| fujisan | all im saying is we are myopic at the moment when you zoom and look at the history of humanity this is not even a large pandemic | Dec 02 17:39 |
| MinceR | CrystalMath: from it happening a few times before it doesn't follow that it always happens | Dec 02 17:39 |
| search_social | cnn decided they want an excuse to seize gov power | Dec 02 17:39 |
| CrystalMath | MinceR: but you can conclude this as being due to the amazing mutating capabilities of coronaviruses, check the studies on TGEV from Wuhan | Dec 02 17:39 |
| search_social | so cnn decided coronavirus is important | Dec 02 17:39 |
| MinceR | CrystalMath: mutation is not predictable | Dec 02 17:40 |
| schestowitz | cnn? | Dec 02 17:40 |
| schestowitz | didn't know cnn ran the us | Dec 02 17:40 |
| fujisan | MinceR: the virus has more benefits if it becomes milder to survive and thrive each season | Dec 02 17:40 |
| fujisan | it's only logical | Dec 02 17:40 |
| schestowitz | anyway, let's agree covid is not the biggest issue | Dec 02 17:40 |
| schestowitz | flaky economy is | Dec 02 17:40 |
| MinceR | mutation is not logical, it's random | Dec 02 17:40 |
| schestowitz | it collapses at least 12 years ago | Dec 02 17:40 |
| fujisan | nature makes it predictable | Dec 02 17:40 |
| CrystalMath | MinceR: survival is not random | Dec 02 17:40 |
| schestowitz | it never really recovered, it was just patches and borrowings | Dec 02 17:40 |
| CrystalMath | MinceR: and thus, evolution is NOT random | Dec 02 17:40 |
| MinceR | CrystalMath: neither is ours | Dec 02 17:40 |
| CrystalMath | MinceR: as Richard Dawkins explains | Dec 02 17:41 |
| schestowitz | and projections that could not be fulfilled, even pensios | Dec 02 17:41 |
| schestowitz | many people empty their pension funds now | Dec 02 17:41 |
| fujisan | yes MinceR but it mutates to survive longer if their hosts die it cant spread | Dec 02 17:41 |
| MinceR | it already has many potential hosts, afaik | Dec 02 17:41 |
| MinceR | and not all of them are affected the same | Dec 02 17:41 |
| CrystalMath | MinceR: you should check out his video (intended for children though, but very interesting nonetheless), he was comparing randomness to evolution | Dec 02 17:41 |
| schestowitz | it also reinfects them | Dec 02 17:41 |
| fujisan | just like the common cold which is also a corona virus? | Dec 02 17:42 |
| schestowitz | so passing it through everyone doesn't solve the issue | Dec 02 17:42 |
| schestowitz | for flu we have decent vaccines at least | Dec 02 17:42 |
| MinceR | fujisan: this was already discussed | Dec 02 17:42 |
| fujisan | okay MinceR :) | Dec 02 17:42 |
| CrystalMath | there is absolutely no way that it won't eventually mutate into a harmless virus that you won't even notice | Dec 02 17:42 |
| CrystalMath | there are some viruses that don't, though | Dec 02 17:43 |
| CrystalMath | they're definitely in the minority | Dec 02 17:43 |
| CrystalMath | like rabies | Dec 02 17:43 |
| MinceR | but you just _know_ this one will | Dec 02 17:43 |
| CrystalMath | MinceR: it's pretty certain | Dec 02 17:44 |
| CrystalMath | coronaviruses are the safest in the world | Dec 02 17:44 |
| MinceR | except for the ones that aren't | Dec 02 17:44 |
| CrystalMath | you could question that for marburgviruses, and ebola | Dec 02 17:44 |
| CrystalMath | but for coronaviruses? no way | Dec 02 17:44 |
| CrystalMath | ebola seems like a good candidate for another virus that's going to ignore the survival of its host | Dec 02 17:44 |
| MinceR | everything you say about SARS-CoV-2 depends on your assumption that it's "just the common cold" | Dec 02 17:44 |
| MinceR | which it is not | Dec 02 17:44 |
| CrystalMath | MinceR: no not really | Dec 02 17:45 |
| CrystalMath | at least, i'm not pushing that now | Dec 02 17:45 |
| CrystalMath | though i do believe that you can see it that way, if you're willing to ignore a few million deaths | Dec 02 17:45 |
| MinceR | you got so used to pushing that you don't even notice doing it anymore | Dec 02 17:45 |
| CrystalMath | i persoally think it would be more than 8 million, but i'm maybe willing to ignore even more than that | Dec 02 17:45 |
| MinceR | well, a few million deaths is only a statistic | Dec 02 17:45 |
| MinceR | if you ignore enough facts, you can make anything seem true | Dec 02 17:46 |
| CrystalMath | well no, this isn't about facts | Dec 02 17:46 |
| CrystalMath | it's just a question of | Dec 02 17:46 |
| MinceR | it's about "alternative facts" | Dec 02 17:46 |
| CrystalMath | "50 million people died, oh no" | Dec 02 17:46 |
| CrystalMath | and | Dec 02 17:46 |
| CrystalMath | "50 mlllion people died, who cares" | Dec 02 17:46 |
| CrystalMath | same fact, different interpretation | Dec 02 17:47 |
| CrystalMath | hence it's not about questioning facts, it's about questioning morality | Dec 02 17:47 |
| search_social | a 600lb person died "with covid" is a fact | Dec 02 17:48 |
| search_social | you're personally responsible for killing said 600lb person cuz you celebrated thanksgiving is not a fact | Dec 02 17:48 |
| CrystalMath | right ^ | Dec 02 17:48 |
| MinceR | what if i celebrated thanksgiving by shooting him with a container of SARS-CoV-2 virions? | Dec 02 17:49 |
| search_social | the flu kills 50k people each year | Dec 02 17:51 |
| CrystalMath | some people celebrate thanksgiving by shooting someone with a bullet... i'm not saying it's okay, but it happens nonetheless; and we all live with the fact that one day we can become the shootee | Dec 02 17:51 |
| search_social | we should just go into global lockdown every year | Dec 02 17:51 |
| search_social | otherwise that would be like shooting people with containers of virions | Dec 02 17:51 |
| schestowitz | search_social: would be worse if we did not vaccine the elderly | Dec 02 17:51 |
| schestowitz | in the uk we offer 'free' vaccines for flu if you're in high-risk group | Dec 02 17:51 |
| CrystalMath | what i'm promoting is nihilism - it doesn't matter | Dec 02 17:51 |
| schestowitz | it might decrease death numbers by a factor like one order of magnitude | Dec 02 17:52 |
| CrystalMath | so what if you're gonna be shot? have fun on your day, and when you get shot, you'll either survive and become stronger, or you'll die and you won't know a thing anymore | Dec 02 17:52 |
| MinceR | for something that "doesn't matter", you're mighty invested in the specifics of SARS-CoV-2 | Dec 02 17:52 |
| CrystalMath | life has no meaning anyway | Dec 02 17:52 |
| search_social | it matters because govs use it as an excuse to assume "emergency" powers | Dec 02 17:52 |
| schestowitz | CrystalMath want to die before age 30 | Dec 02 17:52 |
| CrystalMath | nihilism was always right all along | Dec 02 17:52 |
| schestowitz | wgich I think disqualifies him from this debate | Dec 02 17:52 |
| schestowitz | he also wants others to be put down before age 30 | Dec 02 17:52 |
| search_social | once the gov controls every aspect of life they will never return said control | Dec 02 17:52 |
| CrystalMath | schestowitz: i never said the latter, also the former is somewhat incorrect | Dec 02 17:52 |
| schestowitz | he belongs not in covid debates | Dec 02 17:53 |
| schestowitz | but in death panel debates | Dec 02 17:53 |
| CrystalMath | i made a reference to the movie Logan's Run | Dec 02 17:53 |
| search_social | they're the same thing | Dec 02 17:53 |
| CrystalMath | where everyone is killed upon reaching age 30 | Dec 02 17:53 |
| schestowitz | especially those with main questions like, should we ask people to justify their existence each year after age 18 | Dec 02 17:53 |
| search_social | how much tyranny are we willing to enact on millions of people to extend the life of a 600lb person by one month? | Dec 02 17:53 |
| CrystalMath | schestowitz: i don't believe that | Dec 02 17:53 |
| CrystalMath | schestowitz: i believe in letting go | Dec 02 17:53 |
| schestowitz | people don't want to let go | Dec 02 17:54 |
| CrystalMath | like, what i believe in, is not caring | Dec 02 17:54 |
| schestowitz | you do | Dec 02 17:54 |
| MinceR | https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EhopcxgXcAAdTyv.jpg | Dec 02 17:54 |
| CrystalMath | just be happy while you can | Dec 02 17:54 |
| schestowitz | and you don't respect other people's freedom | Dec 02 17:54 |
| schestowitz | by deciding for them that shielding oneself from covid is BS | Dec 02 17:54 |
| search_social | putting millions on lockdown cuz you weigh 600 lbs is not "respecting other people's freedom" | Dec 02 17:54 |
| CrystalMath | i'm not actually | Dec 02 17:54 |
| CrystalMath | in practice, i'm not | Dec 02 17:54 |
| search_social | and no one cares if people "shield themselves" from covid | Dec 02 17:54 |
| CrystalMath | because i still do what's required | Dec 02 17:54 |
| search_social | they care when they start tyrannizing others | Dec 02 17:54 |
| CrystalMath | yet i'm speaking against it, because i want to convince everyone to just live their short life however they want | Dec 02 17:55 |
| CrystalMath | and not care for the future | Dec 02 17:55 |
| CrystalMath | live only for today | Dec 02 17:55 |
| schestowitz | MinceR: I love that image | Dec 02 17:55 |
| schestowitz | CrystalMath: not everyone wants to live a short life | Dec 02 17:55 |
| schestowitz | I guess you're 25-30 | Dec 02 17:55 |
| schestowitz | I'm 38 | Dec 02 17:55 |
| CrystalMath | when i saw 9/11 i said "well they had it coming after all these years of attacking other countries" | Dec 02 17:56 |
| schestowitz | and it would be nice to have another 40 years for activism | Dec 02 17:56 |
| schestowitz | maybe not your thibg | Dec 02 17:56 |
| fujisan | okay okay | Dec 02 17:56 |
| CrystalMath | there will be other activists after me | Dec 02 17:56 |
| fujisan | i will interject some additional information | Dec 02 17:56 |
| schestowitz | but for you to decide for others because "MY FREEDOM" is ridiculously dumb | Dec 02 17:56 |
| CrystalMath | schestowitz: like i said, i don't, i'm promoting the idea of nihilism | Dec 02 17:56 |
| schestowitz | [17:56] <CrystalMath> when i saw 9/11 i said "well they had it coming after all these years of attacking other countries" | Dec 02 17:56 |
| schestowitz | this is what Biobby Fischer said in ph radio | Dec 02 17:56 |
| fujisan | ageing has been classified as a disease and since 2011 ageing has been reversible in rats | Dec 02 17:57 |
| MinceR | you're promoting a misunderstood version of nihilism | Dec 02 17:57 |
| schestowitz | and was suffering retribution for that for years | Dec 02 17:57 |
| CrystalMath | schestowitz: although at first i thought a plane hit by accident, before the other tower was hit | Dec 02 17:57 |
| fujisan | so does that mean that we should stop making babies and just reverse ageing instead? | Dec 02 17:57 |
| fujisan | make everyone infertile | Dec 02 17:57 |
| schestowitz | I was on a plane at the time it happened | Dec 02 17:57 |
| CrystalMath | fujisan: i would prefer it if far less people had babies, but i don't really care if it's 0 | Dec 02 17:58 |
| MinceR | i would prefer it as well | Dec 02 17:58 |
| CrystalMath | if it's not 0, i can die and there will be others like me | Dec 02 17:58 |
| schestowitz | 0 is too far | Dec 02 17:58 |
| CrystalMath | if it is zero, i can die and it won't matter | Dec 02 17:58 |
| schestowitz | it means extinction | Dec 02 17:58 |
| fujisan | depends on where lots of populations are also decreasing in Japan their is an adult virgin pandemic | Dec 02 17:58 |
| CrystalMath | i die anyway, and nothing matters | Dec 02 17:58 |
| fujisan | there* | Dec 02 17:58 |
| schestowitz | japan is deep in debt | Dec 02 17:59 |
| schestowitz | raising kids is expensive | Dec 02 17:59 |
| schestowitz | and it's overpopulated | Dec 02 17:59 |
| fujisan | CrystalMath: can you prove you're alive now? | Dec 02 17:59 |
| schestowitz | esp. the big cities | Dec 02 17:59 |
| fujisan | i refer to the simulation hypothesis | Dec 02 17:59 |
| CrystalMath | fujisan: yes | Dec 02 17:59 |
| schestowitz | raising kids in a shoebox called "home" is not too pleasant either | Dec 02 17:59 |
| CrystalMath | fujisan: that doesn't survive Occam's razor | Dec 02 17:59 |
| schestowitz | and pointless if yoy work 15 hours/day | Dec 02 17:59 |
| MinceR | life is possible inside a simulation | Dec 02 17:59 |
| CrystalMath | and if it is a simulation, it still doesn't matter | Dec 02 17:59 |
| fujisan | then you just think you're a live | Dec 02 17:59 |
| fujisan | alive* | Dec 02 17:59 |
| CrystalMath | because whatever is beyond the simulation also doesn't matter | Dec 02 18:00 |
| CrystalMath | and therefore the simulation doesn't matter | Dec 02 18:00 |
| MinceR | CrystalMath: some or all of your messages spread as electromagnetic waves and will likely survive you for a long time even if you die :> | Dec 02 18:00 |
| CrystalMath | MinceR: why does that matter? | Dec 02 18:00 |
| MinceR | ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ | Dec 02 18:00 |
| CrystalMath | like those open IRC connections of people who died | Dec 02 18:00 |
| CrystalMath | what i see is that all that i am is inside this brain | Dec 02 18:01 |
| CrystalMath | and once this brain is smashed, what's inside is gone forever | Dec 02 18:01 |
| schestowitz | the channels turned to deep nihilist philosophy npw | Dec 02 18:02 |
| schestowitz | NihilismRights | Dec 02 18:02 |
| MinceR | even that is not guaranteed | Dec 02 18:02 |
| MinceR | after all, we could be living in a simulation that saves past states (partially or entirely) | Dec 02 18:02 |
| CrystalMath | MinceR: it pretty much is, humans are nothing more than animals, which are nothing more than machines | Dec 02 18:02 |
| CrystalMath | i think the simulation hypothesis is ridiculous, tbh | Dec 02 18:02 |
| CrystalMath | why would it save past states? | Dec 02 18:02 |
| CrystalMath | does it save all animals? | Dec 02 18:03 |
| MinceR | to annoy you, obviously | Dec 02 18:03 |
| CrystalMath | all AI computer programs? | Dec 02 18:03 |
| CrystalMath | all minerals? | Dec 02 18:03 |
| CrystalMath | where do you draw the line? | Dec 02 18:03 |
| MinceR | i don't | Dec 02 18:03 |
| MinceR | it is not up to me | Dec 02 18:03 |
| CrystalMath | well i haven't seen any god so i'm not gonna worry about any of those | Dec 02 18:03 |
| CrystalMath | based on what i see, all that i am is this pile of neurons | Dec 02 18:04 |
| schestowitz | water | Dec 02 18:04 |
| CrystalMath | and it's just as worthless as everything else in the universe | Dec 02 18:04 |
| CrystalMath | it has no value | Dec 02 18:04 |
| schestowitz | 80% water | Dec 02 18:04 |
| schestowitz | with 'stabiliser' :-) | Dec 02 18:04 |
| schestowitz | like calcium | Dec 02 18:04 |
| schestowitz | animals are more 'watery' than trees | Dec 02 18:05 |
| schestowitz | and live shorter | Dec 02 18:05 |
| schestowitz | sometimes like 100 times shorter | Dec 02 18:05 |
| schestowitz | (since we're into nihilism) | Dec 02 18:05 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Seems like something has changed at Walmart. | Dec 02 18:11 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Most of the groceries seem to be coded as qualifying for the employee discount now. | Dec 02 18:11 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Well, that's an extra $30 or $35 a month in our pockets. Not going to complain. | Dec 02 18:12 |
| schestowitz | are they making same turnover? | Dec 02 18:19 |
| schestowitz | afaik, the expensive items don't sell well anymore | Dec 02 18:19 |
| schestowitz | not to say people buy the cheapest | Dec 02 18:19 |
| schestowitz | but fewer pay for "prrmium" items | Dec 02 18:19 |
| schestowitz | now, the question is, how much can the Waltons benefit from small grocers collapsing? | Dec 02 18:19 |
| fujisan | schestowitz: how much longer is capitalism feasible? | Dec 02 18:19 |
| schestowitz | here in the UK we have Walmart as ASDA and Sainsburys | Dec 02 18:20 |
| fujisan | you're in the UK? | Dec 02 18:20 |
| schestowitz | when the first lockdown started they shut one near us | Dec 02 18:20 |
| schestowitz | a Sainsburys | Dec 02 18:20 |
| fujisan | we are practically neighbors then | Dec 02 18:20 |
| schestowitz | so I figure they don't do too well either | Dec 02 18:20 |
| schestowitz | earlier on today, a few hours ago, we went to a Walmart UK | Dec 02 18:20 |
| schestowitz | and it was only us there, maybe one more person | Dec 02 18:20 |
| fujisan | we dont have WalMarts here | Dec 02 18:20 |
| fujisan | are we missing something? | Dec 02 18:20 |
| schestowitz | they buy chains | Dec 02 18:21 |
| schestowitz | so that they seem "local" | Dec 02 18:21 |
| schestowitz | you might want to check if they bought some dutch names | Dec 02 18:21 |
| schestowitz | they bought too massive chains here, not use | Dec 02 18:21 |
| schestowitz | german: lidl, aldi | Dec 02 18:21 |
| schestowitz | british; tesco, morrisons | Dec 02 18:21 |
| schestowitz | us: sainsbury, asda (not walmart) | Dec 02 18:21 |
| schestowitz | and those alone probably add us to like more than 90% of total revenue | Dec 02 18:22 |
| CrystalMath | lidl and aldi are anagrams | Dec 02 18:23 |
| CrystalMath | wait, no | Dec 02 18:23 |
| CrystalMath | i just thought they are for a second :P | Dec 02 18:23 |
| CrystalMath | there's an a/l discrepancy | Dec 02 18:23 |
| CrystalMath | let's just call it dill | Dec 02 18:23 |
| DaemonFC[m] | <schestowitz "in the uk we offer 'free' vaccin"> Most insurance covers it, Medicare covers it, many health departments give them out for free. | Dec 02 18:25 |
| schestowitz | di is just discount | Dec 02 18:25 |
| schestowitz | the rest are names | Dec 02 18:25 |
| psydroid | WalMart is apparently an investor in JingDong (jd.com), which is planning to start operations in the Netherlands | Dec 02 18:25 |
| DaemonFC[m] | <schestowitz "but fewer pay for "prrmium" item"> I only get name brand stuff when it's a dented can for half price or something. | Dec 02 18:25 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Kroger is dropping all of those other fake store names. | Dec 02 18:30 |
| DaemonFC[m] | They bought a bunch of local grocery stores and had hundreds of names. They're converting the signage now, like 20 years later. | Dec 02 18:31 |
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| schestowitz | "who are /his/ customers?" https://www.editorials360.com/2020/11/30/greg-kroah-hartman-dont-make-customers-mad/ | Dec 02 18:34 |
| schestowitz | micosoft | Dec 02 18:34 |
| schestowitz | IBM | Dec 02 18:34 |
| schestowitz | SUSE | Dec 02 18:34 |
| schestowitz | Linux fed | Dec 02 18:34 |
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| schestowitz | f'ed rather | Dec 02 18:35 |
| DaemonFC[m] | https://patch.com/illinois/libertyville/eric-rinehart-sworn-new-lake-county-state-s-attorney | Dec 02 18:39 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Eric Rinehart Sworn In As The New Lake County State's Attorney | Libertyville, IL Patch | Dec 02 18:39 | |
| DaemonFC[m] | There was a lot of money behind the incumbent so this was a major victory for Rinehart. | Dec 02 18:39 |
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| DaemonFC[m] | Aldi is okay for the most part. Their flour is junk though. | Dec 02 18:58 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Can't bake bread with it. | Dec 02 18:58 |
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| schestowitz | DaemonFC[m]: when life gives you wheat, make flour | Dec 02 19:43 |
| schestowitz | when live gives you shit, make flower | Dec 02 19:43 |
| schestowitz | *life | Dec 02 19:43 |
| MinceR | if life gives you demons, make demonade(tm) | Dec 02 19:53 |
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| schestowitz | just (m) | Dec 02 20:18 |
| schestowitz | DaemonFC[m] | Dec 02 20:18 |
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| MinceR | https://hugelolcdn.com/i/705702.jpg | Dec 02 21:00 |
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| schestowitz | " | Dec 02 21:15 |
| MinceR | https://hugelolcdn.com/i/705580.png | Dec 02 21:15 |
| schestowitz | Panic buying by consumers here in the U.S. (and | Dec 02 21:15 |
| schestowitz | other locales, from what I hear) led to a severe | Dec 02 21:15 |
| schestowitz | shortage of disinfecting sprays, disinfecting wipes, | Dec 02 21:15 |
| schestowitz | rubbing alcohol, hand sanitizer, toilet paper, paper | Dec 02 21:15 |
| schestowitz | towels, and many food products as people bought | Dec 02 21:15 |
| schestowitz | up all they could should they be required to shelter- | Dec 02 21:15 |
| schestowitz | in-place for an extended period of time, due to the | Dec 02 21:15 |
| schestowitz | pandemic. For a period of time, much of the store | Dec 02 21:15 |
| schestowitz | shelves were empty, as demand far outpaced | Dec 02 21:15 |
| schestowitz | supply, at least until the supply chain caught up with | Dec 02 21:15 |
| schestowitz | the demand. Even now, some items are | Dec 02 21:15 |
| schestowitz | exceptionally difficult to find on store shelves, such | Dec 02 21:15 |
| schestowitz | as disinfecting sprays and wipes. | Dec 02 21:15 |
| schestowitz | " | Dec 02 21:15 |
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| MinceR | (cat) https://ircz.de/p/20072261 | Dec 02 22:30 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-ircz.de | IRCZ makes your life worth living Post object (4774539) | Dec 02 22:30 | |
| DaemonFC[m] | I drove past a pretty bad car accident this morning. | Dec 02 22:31 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Before the emergency services got out there. | Dec 02 22:31 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Someone's car flipped and it didn't look like they could have lived. | Dec 02 22:31 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Drove over pieces of their car. | Dec 02 22:31 |
| schestowitz | driving is still dangerous | Dec 02 22:34 |
| schestowitz | maybe more so with "Smart" cars | Dec 02 22:34 |
| schestowitz | I stopped driving eyars ago | Dec 02 22:34 |
| schestowitz | we're a walking distance from everything anyway | Dec 02 22:34 |
| DaemonFC[m] | The fake and corrupt CDC has cut the recommended quarantine time down to just a week for COVID-19 | Dec 02 22:37 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Also said that healthcare workers who are asymptomatic can keep working with it if their leave would place burden on their employer. | Dec 02 22:38 |
| DaemonFC[m] | +2,297 so far today. | Dec 02 22:38 |
| DaemonFC[m] | And over 450 of those are in just two states. | Dec 02 22:38 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Illinois and Pennsylvania. | Dec 02 22:38 |
| DaemonFC[m] | 266 dead in Illinois. | Dec 02 22:38 |
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| MinceR | https://hugelolcdn.com/i/705807.png | Dec 02 22:40 |
| schestowitz | DaemonFC[m]: the gym reopened today | Dec 02 22:43 |
| schestowitz | hardly anyone there | Dec 02 22:43 |
| schestowitz | same for the pool, sauna | Dec 02 22:43 |
| schestowitz | almost zero people | Dec 02 22:43 |
| schestowitz | prior to lockdown loads in there | Dec 02 22:43 |
| schestowitz | mostly couples | Dec 02 22:43 |
| schestowitz | who cannot travel abroad or out of town | Dec 02 22:43 |
| schestowitz | that weeded them out | Dec 02 22:43 |
| CrystalMath | https://off-guardian.org/2020/11/20/portuguese-court-rules-pcr-tests-unreliable-quarantines-unlawful/ | Dec 02 22:49 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-off-guardian.org | Portuguese Court Rules PCR Tests “Unreliable” & Quarantines “Unlawful” – OffGuardian | Dec 02 22:49 | |
| CrystalMath | the media did not write about this | Dec 02 22:49 |
| CrystalMath | the case against the media is huge already | Dec 02 22:49 |
| CrystalMath | i think 99% of all media companies need to be punished severely for everything they did in the past 10 years | Dec 02 22:50 |
| schestowitz | There are issues with OffGuardian | Dec 02 22:50 |
| schestowitz | I followed it over RSS for a while | Dec 02 22:50 |
| schestowitz | but too many strikes | Dec 02 22:50 |
| schestowitz | and red flags | Dec 02 22:50 |
| schestowitz | I deleted it | Dec 02 22:50 |
| schestowitz | if it wasn't dodgy to begin it, it became just that | Dec 02 22:51 |
| schestowitz | lies and stuff | Dec 02 22:51 |
| schestowitz | and then they moved to another host | Dec 02 22:51 |
| schestowitz | then it got even worse | Dec 02 22:51 |
| CrystalMath | they link to the source ruling | Dec 02 22:51 |
| search_social | basically there are two news sources | Dec 02 22:51 |
| search_social | cnn and breitbart | Dec 02 22:51 |
| CrystalMath | i can ask a portuguese-speaking friend to verify | Dec 02 22:51 |
| search_social | there's never been a news source that writes independently | Dec 02 22:51 |
| search_social | glenn greenwald got kicked out of his own paper cuz he wasn't close enough to cnn | Dec 02 22:52 |
| CrystalMath | the media blackout over this news is because they can't figure out how to trick people into thinking they don't actually have the rights they do have | Dec 02 22:52 |
| CrystalMath | i think human rights matter even in the event of an alien invasion | Dec 02 22:53 |
| CrystalMath | let alone something that hasn't even killed a billion | Dec 02 22:53 |
| CrystalMath | but even if something were to kill everybody, there must still be civil rights | Dec 02 22:53 |
| CrystalMath | until the last person dies | Dec 02 22:54 |
| CrystalMath | then they become moot :P | Dec 02 22:54 |
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