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| schestowitz__ | " | Sep 05 01:04 |
| schestowitz__ | No Gods. No Heroes - Or manufactured sabotage? | Sep 05 01:04 |
| schestowitz__ | ""Linusgate" Leaked: Over 250 Messages About Code of Conduct Complaints Against Linus Torvalds" | Sep 05 01:04 |
| schestowitz__ | Debian ‘canceling’ the founder of Linux is no “small potatoes” | Sep 05 01:04 |
| schestowitz__ | " | Sep 05 01:04 |
| schestowitz__ | https://twitter.com/CangrejoZurdo/status/1301981396509089797 | Sep 05 01:06 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@CangrejoZurdo: Dale cancelen a todos mi heroes. Ya me sabe a culo todo https://t.co/Mz0DhQVzqw | Sep 05 01:06 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights- ( status 500 @ https://techrights.org/2020/09/03/linus-debconf-linusgate/ ) | Sep 05 01:06 | |
| schestowitz__ | https://twitter.com/TeenMomMMXX/status/1302023026863607808 | Sep 05 01:07 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@TeenMomMMXX: @KingTherapy Somehow someone's made Debian discussion even more boring. | Sep 05 01:07 | |
| schestowitz__ | https://twitter.com/KingTherapy/status/1302024414578368512 | Sep 05 01:07 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@KingTherapy: @TeenMomMMXX I want a good aptitude vs apt flamewar. | Sep 05 01:07 | |
| MinceR | sounds like he shouldn't have accepted that CoC after all :> | Sep 05 01:08 |
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| *XRevan86 really likes aptitude, it's a PM that can interactively accept commands and I appreciate it. | Sep 05 01:10 | |
| MinceR | unfortunately, it uses the APT system and is thus as unreliable as APT itself | Sep 05 01:11 |
| XRevan86 | I also know that it's a big pile of… well, perl, and can eat quite a bit of memory. | Sep 05 01:11 |
| XRevan86 | MinceR: APT I consider to be one of the more reliable ones. | Sep 05 01:12 |
| MinceR | could be, but it still shits itself way too often | Sep 05 01:12 |
| MinceR | it seems to me that no package management system was created with reliability as a main goal | Sep 05 01:12 |
| XRevan86 | dpkg recognises inconsistency issues fairly well. | Sep 05 01:14 |
| MinceR | and won't fix them | Sep 05 01:14 |
| MinceR | and will sometimes shit the bed instead of upgrading the system | Sep 05 01:15 |
| oiaohm | MinceR: ostree | Sep 05 01:16 |
| MinceR | oiaohm: does that work without cancerd? | Sep 05 01:16 |
| oiaohm | ostree works without systemd. | Sep 05 01:18 |
| MinceR | that's good | Sep 05 01:18 |
| MinceR | how complex is it? | Sep 05 01:18 |
| oiaohm | Being a "Transactional upgrades and rollback for the system" its not the simplest to use raw. | Sep 05 01:20 |
| oiaohm | https://github.com/stb-tester/apt2ostree But there are many ways to use ostree not raw. | Sep 05 01:22 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-GitHub - stb-tester/apt2ostree: Build ostree images based on Debian/Ubuntu | Sep 05 01:22 | |
| oiaohm | ostree comes out of with embedded systems update fails without a recovery path device could be forever bricked. | Sep 05 01:25 |
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| MinceR | so, too complex to work reliably? :> | Sep 05 01:26 |
| oiaohm | ostree is designed to give you multi snapshots to roll back to if update goes wrong. | Sep 05 01:26 |
| MinceR | which won't help you at all if ostree itself fails to work | Sep 05 01:27 |
| oiaohm | ostree is designed with very few rules to work. Uses hardlinks in file system a lot. | Sep 05 01:28 |
| oiaohm | and you don't overwrite or modify files with OStree. | Sep 05 01:28 |
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| MinceR | sounds a bit like the old GoboLinux system | Sep 05 01:28 |
| oiaohm | Yep modernised. | Sep 05 01:29 |
| MinceR | that one seemed promising, but the distro itself didn't receive much love and since then the system was replaced with one that is in my opinion too complex | Sep 05 01:29 |
| oiaohm | to take advantage of newer feature to prevent applications altering files and the like they should not. | Sep 05 01:29 |
| MinceR | what if the "application" is the shell i'm trying to fix the system with? | Sep 05 01:30 |
| oiaohm | The ostree rules are hard. https://ostree.readthedocs.io/en/latest/manual/introduction/#atomic-transitions-between-parallel-installable-read-only-filesystem-trees Even to fix a system. You create new files to replace old. Modify existing files managed by ostree is forbid by ostree design. | Sep 05 01:32 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-ostree.readthedocs.io | Introduction - OSTree | Sep 05 01:32 | |
| MinceR | hard rules can create breakage | Sep 05 01:33 |
| MinceR | in APT, they often do | Sep 05 01:33 |
| MinceR | it will refuse to transition from a broken state to a working state because rules are in the way | Sep 05 01:33 |
| oiaohm | Note the parallel file system trees with ostree. | Sep 05 01:33 |
| oiaohm | So you have a broken file system with ostree you create a new tree to fix it with new fixed files while resuing broken. | Sep 05 01:34 |
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| oiaohm | The rules of ostree are not as limiting as APT design. | Sep 05 01:34 |
| MinceR | i see | Sep 05 01:35 |
| oiaohm | But the rules of ostree are 100 percent strict. | Sep 05 01:35 |
| oiaohm | APT you can make packages that in fact break different rules. | Sep 05 01:35 |
| oiaohm | Of course that causes many levels of hell with APT. | Sep 05 01:35 |
| MinceR | apparently ostree has no notion of a file belonging to a given package, though | Sep 05 01:37 |
| MinceR | so how will it help me cleanly uninstall a package? | Sep 05 01:37 |
| MinceR | the focus on _rebooting_ into a changed system also seems to imply that the problem ostree intends to solve is very different from what i would use a package manager for | Sep 05 01:40 |
| oiaohm | ostree used in flatpak and silverblue and endless is not rebooting. Parellel installable file systems. Gets more interesting with cgroup mount namespaces. So you can in fact have multi read only filesystem trees in use at the same time. | Sep 05 01:42 |
| MinceR | ic | Sep 05 01:43 |
| oiaohm | Using ostree raw does get head bending like how many trees should I really have so I can delete the trees usefully. | Sep 05 01:43 |
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| oiaohm | ostree gives you like btrfs/zfs snapshots to roll back to on lot more basic file systems. | Sep 05 01:45 |
| MinceR | how do you get back disk space, for example from really old versions of stuff? | Sep 05 01:45 |
| oiaohm | That is one of the features of ostree once you have file existing not connected to any existing tree because you have deleted the trees it deletes the files. | Sep 05 01:46 |
| MinceR | automatically? | Sep 05 01:46 |
| oiaohm | yes as part of the tree remove. | Sep 05 01:47 |
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| oiaohm | Yes that also exploits the feature of using file system hardlinks. | Sep 05 01:49 |
| oiaohm | The usage of hardlinks is why ostree has rules that modification is forbid. | Sep 05 01:51 |
| oiaohm | on the files it managing. | Sep 05 01:52 |
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| oiaohm | MinceR: most Linux package management has not been designed to take advantage of hardlinks or file system snapshots usefully. Yes using hardlinks lead you to the ostree restrictions on what you are allowed todo and not do. | Sep 05 01:57 |
| MinceR | hardlinking directories isn't even recommended | Sep 05 01:58 |
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| MinceR | and there are many filesystems that don't support snapshots | Sep 05 01:59 |
| oiaohm | That is the fun point of ostree it does hardlink directories. | Sep 05 01:59 |
| MinceR | "fun" | Sep 05 01:59 |
| oiaohm | It safe due to the read only rules. | Sep 05 01:59 |
| MinceR | so how hard does ostree break ".."? :> | Sep 05 01:59 |
| oiaohm | As long as the read only rules obeyed without file system storage is not damage next to impossible. | Sep 05 02:00 |
| oiaohm | Even then with ostree checksums it can detect and repair damasge. | Sep 05 02:00 |
| oiaohm | ostree allowing multi boot file system states means one fails the boot loader on next boot can roll automatically to prior working version., | Sep 05 02:01 |
| oiaohm | You can split the tree in the case you update tree makes one program work and another fail. All the fun stuff to work around issues. | Sep 05 02:02 |
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| oiaohm | ostree is used in embedded systems because the bugger is tough. | Sep 05 02:04 |
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| oiaohm | MinceR: thing to remember embedded system like in aircraft and medical need to be able to recover from a update mistake without any user intervention. This is areas where ostree is used. Ostree says that Linux package mangers could be a lot more resistant to issues. | Sep 05 02:08 |
| MinceR | yeah, but it seems to me one would still need to build a package manager on top of it | Sep 05 02:08 |
| MinceR | for example: do transactions while enforcing dependencies; do transactions while ignoring dependencies; check the system for dependency violations and report them, if any | Sep 05 02:09 |
| oiaohm | You can put apt and rpm both on top of ostree | Sep 05 02:09 |
| oiaohm | rpm on top of ostree is fedora silverblue. | Sep 05 02:10 |
| oiaohm | endlessos is apt on top of ostree for the core os. | Sep 05 02:10 |
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| oiaohm | Yes both of those gain the ostree autorecover. | Sep 05 02:11 |
| oiaohm | Remember you still gain the means to split the tree with ostree under old school package management | Sep 05 02:12 |
| MinceR | they're probably still both broken though | Sep 05 02:13 |
| MinceR | you can just sometimes dodge it by reverting to an earlier state | Sep 05 02:13 |
| oiaohm | Or mount both trees so that you can run the two different brokens. | Sep 05 02:22 |
| oiaohm | So X application broken in old tree Y applicaiton broken in new tree. Just mount both and run Y in old tree and X in new tree. | Sep 05 02:22 |
| MinceR | yeah, but i'd prefer to be able to keep maintaining the system | Sep 05 02:23 |
| MinceR | and if yum decided to start a transaction it can't do anything with, then that's still gone, ostree or not | Sep 05 02:23 |
| MinceR | and if apt tells me "...but is not going to be installed" then i'm still up shit creek without a paddle (or information about what apt's problem is), regardless of ostree | Sep 05 02:24 |
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| oiaohm | ostree under apt you can be a lot more brutal. Worst case you can just spin a new tree in. | Sep 05 02:25 |
| MinceR | sounds more like working around the package manager's brokenness with bedrock than an actual new package manager | Sep 05 02:26 |
| oiaohm | Remember you have many root trees with ostree. So if current root tree will not update you can basically create a new tree and do a new install while using the old tree that will not update., | Sep 05 02:26 |
| MinceR | same thing with bedrock | Sep 05 02:26 |
| oiaohm | Not quite bedrock is not designed to in fact duplicate up it Strata's Where ostree is. | Sep 05 02:32 |
| MinceR | indeed, but it too enables me to keep using a broken system while installing a new one beside it | Sep 05 02:33 |
| MinceR | and then to use them together | Sep 05 02:33 |
| oiaohm | ostree you would say bedrock taken as far as you can. bedrock limit on duplicating strata makes recovery harder. | Sep 05 02:34 |
| MinceR | ostree would need some extra stuff in order to be able to replace bedrock | Sep 05 02:35 |
| MinceR | for example, a hijack install script | Sep 05 02:35 |
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| MinceR | the problem of not having a point; the problem of it still taking a lot of work to gradually turn it into a copy of the Standard Linux-based System | Sep 05 02:47 |
| MinceR | oh, and the problem of not being as broken as fedora yet. | Sep 05 02:47 |
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| schestowitz__ | https://www.reddit.com/r/stupidpol/comments/imr3si/wokies_force_codes_of_conduct_onto_the_open/ | Sep 05 03:45 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.reddit.com | Wokies force Codes of Conduct onto the Open Source Movement and are now trying to use them to get Linus cancelled and blacklisted. : stupidpol | Sep 05 03:45 | |
| schestowitz__ | https://www.reddit.com/r/KotakuInAction/comments/imofc8/linusgate_to_the_surprise_of_absolutely_no_one/ | Sep 05 03:45 |
| schestowitz__ | ewww | Sep 05 03:45 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.reddit.com | "Linusgate": To the surprise of absolutely no one, after forcing CoCs onto open source teams SJWs are trying to use them to force Linus Torvalds out. : KotakuInAction | Sep 05 03:45 | |
| schestowitz__ | Sep 05 03:45 | |
| schestowitz__ | I did not even read the comments | Sep 05 03:45 |
| MinceR | let them | Sep 05 03:47 |
| MinceR | the license enables Linus to fork Linux and fix it | Sep 05 03:47 |
| MinceR | without a CoC | Sep 05 03:47 |
| MinceR | without the cancerd people | Sep 05 03:47 |
| schestowitz__ | with "blacklists" also | Sep 05 03:48 |
| schestowitz__ | and "whitelists" | Sep 05 03:48 |
| MinceR | indeed | Sep 05 03:48 |
| schestowitz__ | as if the latter means "white power" or something | Sep 05 03:48 |
| MinceR | :> | Sep 05 03:48 |
| schestowitz__ | colours are racist | Sep 05 03:48 |
| MinceR | not if you rename them | Sep 05 03:48 |
| schestowitz__ | then no | Sep 05 03:48 |
| schestowitz__ | not yet | Sep 05 03:48 |
| MinceR | for example, "deny" is a very dark color, but not in a racist way | Sep 05 03:48 |
| schestowitz__ | wait till they call people's ethnicity by other words | Sep 05 03:48 |
| schestowitz__ | it already happens | Sep 05 03:48 |
| schestowitz__ | code words for latinos, blacks etc. | Sep 05 03:48 |
| MinceR | the enthusiasm treadmill | Sep 05 03:49 |
| MinceR | oops | Sep 05 03:49 |
| MinceR | euphemism treadmill | Sep 05 03:49 |
| schestowitz__ | at least we stopped debating that | Sep 05 03:49 |
| schestowitz__ | media used this to distract from serious issues | Sep 05 03:49 |
| schestowitz__ | at the time anyway | Sep 05 03:49 |
| schestowitz__ | I think we wrote about 15 articles on this topic alone, inc. memes | Sep 05 03:55 |
| schestowitz__ | maybe i should have assembled a little wiki page on this topic | Sep 05 03:55 |
| schestowitz__ | it's not too late, but it seems like old news and irrelevant by now | Sep 05 03:56 |
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| DaemonFC[m] | <schestowitz__ "code words for latinos, blacks e"> I thought it was funny when Star Trek Discovery was new and all of a sudden the ship computer says "Black Alert". | Sep 05 04:57 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Basically everyone at the mall who wasn't wearing a mask was black. | Sep 05 04:57 |
| DaemonFC[m] | The Surgeon General acted like it was a mystery why all the black people are getting sick and he said "There's nothing wrong with you!". | Sep 05 04:58 |
| DaemonFC[m] | There's something wrong with that alright. | Sep 05 04:58 |
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| DaemonFC[m] | Disorderly Conduct, looting, partying, using drugs, mugging, burning, pillaging, raping, and not wearing masks. | Sep 05 04:59 |
| DaemonFC[m] | We have to ask why 7x more peer capita among black people have had the virus. | Sep 05 04:59 |
| DaemonFC[m] | This is what happens when SJWs make you a pariah for pointing out what everyone can flip on the TV and see for themselves. | Sep 05 05:00 |
| DaemonFC[m] | I think they're not worried about the virus because for a lot of them it's not one of the 10 things most likely to kill them early that they're also not worried about. | Sep 05 05:02 |
| DaemonFC[m] | White and Asian people are planning for their 80s and 90s . | Sep 05 05:04 |
| DaemonFC[m] | When you're dealing drugs and in a turf war, you're not looking at the 401(k) plan. | Sep 05 05:05 |
| DaemonFC[m] | schestowitz__: At least James Carville made me laugh a few times. | Sep 05 05:07 |
| DaemonFC[m] | When they asked him about Paula Jones he said "Drag a $100 through a trailer park and you never know what you'll turn up.". | Sep 05 05:07 |
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| oiaohm | schestowitz__: that Linuxgate is 2014 the Code of Conduct in the Linux kernel is 2018. The debian 2014 code of conduct is a way broader document. | Sep 05 05:09 |
| oiaohm | schestowitz__: https://www.debian.org/code_of_conduct this is the debian code of conduct when you compare it to the Linux kernel one https://www.kernel.org/doc/html/latest/process/code-of-conduct.html there is a key extra in the Linux kenrel version. "Gracefully accepting constructive criticism" this is important | Sep 05 05:16 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.debian.org | Debian Code of Conduct | Sep 05 05:16 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.kernel.org | Contributor Covenant Code of Conduct — The Linux Kernel documentation | Sep 05 05:16 | |
| oiaohm | Not all code of conducts are created equal. | Sep 05 05:17 |
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| schestowitz__ | oiaohm: I know | Sep 05 05:23 |
| schestowitz__ | I'm not against CoC as a concept | Sep 05 05:23 |
| schestowitz__ | issues are 1) the enforcers (in LF corporate enforcers) | Sep 05 05:23 |
| schestowitz__ | 2) the substance of the document and how it's used | Sep 05 05:24 |
| schestowitz__ | LF example: http://techrights.org/2019/11/10/cancel-the-linux-foundation/ | Sep 05 05:24 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | The Linux Foundation Brought as Keynote Speakers People Vastly Worse Than Those Whom It Now ‘Cancels’ for Purely Political Reasons | Techrights | Sep 05 05:24 | |
| schestowitz__ | meme: http://techrights.org/2020/08/26/morally-corrupt-linux-foundation/ | Sep 05 05:24 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | The Morally and Financially Corrupt Linux Foundation | Techrights | Sep 05 05:24 | |
| DaemonFC[m] | Giving Bill Clinton 1 minute of speaking time would have been unthinkable not too long ago. | Sep 05 05:32 |
| schestowitz__ | Epstein finished him | Sep 05 05:32 |
| DaemonFC[m] | https://www.forbes.com/sites/adamminsky/2020/09/02/court-allows-bankruptcy-discharge-of-200000-in-student-loans/ | Sep 05 05:35 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.forbes.com | Court Allows Bankruptcy Discharge Of $200,000 In Student Loans | Sep 05 05:35 | |
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| DaemonFC[m] | schestowitz__: Considering a Pixel 5 when they come in. | Sep 05 06:42 |
| DaemonFC[m] | I'm not very happy with all the Samsung bloatware. | Sep 05 06:42 |
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| schestowitz__ | why have a 'phone'? | Sep 05 08:18 |
| schestowitz__ | those are not useful or friendly | Sep 05 08:18 |
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| Chaekyung | lol this wasn't exactly my intention https://linux.slashdot.org/story/20/09/04/2218239/linusgate-debian-project-leaders-want-to-ban-linus-torvalds-for-his-manners | Sep 05 11:03 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-linux.slashdot.org | 'Linusgate': Debian Project Leaders Want To Ban Linus Torvalds For His Manners - Slashdot | Sep 05 11:03 | |
| DarwinElf | maybe he should just ban them? It's not like the license couldn't use an update to something at least in some ways similar to GPL3, and why not ban Debian why he's at it? | Sep 05 11:06 |
| Chaekyung | perhaps. What I wanted to point out is that slashdot decided to link to my site even though the re-post very clearly states it's a re-post and there is a link to the original story | Sep 05 11:09 |
| Chaekyung | I guess some people really don't like techrights | Sep 05 11:09 |
| DarwinElf | oh... | Sep 05 11:12 |
| DarwinElf | yeah, SlashDot was bought out years ago... | Sep 05 11:12 |
| DarwinElf | but I don't know that's it as much as there's often a lot of sloppy writing & quick/unfounded assumptions there (they may not have even noticed what you said) | Sep 05 11:12 |
| kingoffrance | well surely that was how it always was :) | Sep 05 11:16 |
| kingoffrance | isnt that kind of an old joke, posting stuff with commentary that doesnt even match :) | Sep 05 11:16 |
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| schestowitz__ | https://twitter.com/purkkaviritys/status/1302197798125875200 | Sep 05 13:03 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@purkkaviritys: Cancel culture is pretty cancerous. I wish we went back to coding instead of incessant monitoring of other peoples… https://t.co/zrJsdUloiv | Sep 05 13:03 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@purkkaviritys: Cancel culture is pretty cancerous. I wish we went back to coding instead of incessant monitoring of other peoples… https://t.co/zrJsdUloiv | Sep 05 13:03 | |
| schestowitz__ | "Cancel culture is pretty cancerous. I wish we went back to coding instead of incessant monitoring of other peoples flaws." | Sep 05 13:03 |
| schestowitz__ | DarwinElf: http://techrights.org/wiki/index.php/Slashdot | Sep 05 13:06 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Slashdot - Techrights | Sep 05 13:06 | |
| schestowitz__ | https://joindiaspora.com/posts/18936914 | Sep 05 13:16 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: #corporateMedia owned by robbing oligarchs does not want people to revolt (as many should); so after 5-6 months it no longer counts the unemployed as officially "unemployed" ("no longer looking"?) and it now relays fake unemployment figures, to 'quell the masses' | Sep 05 13:16 | |
| schestowitz__ | Chaekyung: if that was you, thank uoi | Sep 05 13:16 |
| schestowitz__ | *you | Sep 05 13:16 |
| schestowitz__ | I remember when Slashdot effect was like 10 times bigger, traffic-wise | Sep 05 13:17 |
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| Chaekyung | schestowitz__: I remember getting 2 million pageviews in 24 hours from ./ | Sep 05 14:06 |
| schestowitz__ | maybe over a decade ago | Sep 05 14:07 |
| Chaekyung | In 2004 | Sep 05 14:07 |
| Chaekyung | that wiki schestowitz__ | Sep 05 14:08 |
| Chaekyung | you do know you theme is f**ked up? | Sep 05 14:08 |
| Chaekyung | https://yoona.everdot.org/i/techright-messedup-wiki-theme.jpg | Sep 05 14:10 |
| MinceR | is that hidpi? | Sep 05 14:11 |
| Chaekyung | It's the same monobook skin I've used for ages (with slight changes), but mine never looked like that with the sidebar in the bottom right. guessing you changed something and screwed up | Sep 05 14:11 |
| Chaekyung | also, MediaWiki 1.13.3 is like ancient | Sep 05 14:11 |
| Chaekyung | high.. dpi? I guess I have high dpi | Sep 05 14:11 |
| Chaekyung | doesn't really matter if I zoom in or out, though. | Sep 05 14:12 |
| MinceR | yeah, the theme should work properly even if it was in a window that's 1200 pixels wide | Sep 05 14:12 |
| MinceR | well, anyway, it does the same thing on plain fullhd too | Sep 05 14:13 |
| Chaekyung | actually, it's fine in icecat and firefox | Sep 05 14:13 |
| *Chaekyung confuses | Sep 05 14:14 | |
| MinceR | i can resize the window to be over 10000 pixels wide and it still does that | Sep 05 14:14 |
| MinceR | https://giphy.com/gifs/css-13FrpeVH09Zrb2 | Sep 05 14:14 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Css GIF - Find & Share on GIPHY | Sep 05 14:14 | |
| schestowitz__ | [14:08] <Chaekyung> you do know you theme is f**ked up? | Sep 05 14:19 |
| schestowitz__ | in chrome-based browsers | Sep 05 14:19 |
| schestowitz__ | I became aware like a decade back | Sep 05 14:19 |
| schestowitz__ | since then the chrome plague spread further | Sep 05 14:19 |
| schestowitz__ | at the time all browsers were OK with it | Sep 05 14:20 |
| MinceR | :> | Sep 05 14:20 |
| schestowitz__ | I'm tired od browser hacks | Sep 05 14:20 |
| schestowitz__ | I'd rather write stuff | Sep 05 14:20 |
| schestowitz__ | it's never-ending appeasing idiots whom (I guess in this case) nitpick on some css/theme to spite the article's message | Sep 05 14:21 |
| schestowitz__ | [14:06] <Chaekyung> schestowitz__: I remember getting 2 million pageviews in 24 hours from ./ | Sep 05 14:27 |
| schestowitz__ | I have just grepped the log file. it says 44k views. | Sep 05 14:28 |
| schestowitz__ | very far from 22m | Sep 05 14:28 |
| schestowitz__ | or 2 | Sep 05 14:28 |
| schestowitz__ | last month one article of ours did 150k_ | Sep 05 14:28 |
| schestowitz__ | Coming soon: http://techrights.org/wp-content/uploads/2020/09/lf-board-meeting.jpg | Sep 05 14:29 |
| schestowitz__ | [14:13] <schestowitz__> https://pleroma.site/notice/9yomh55YFxhe2KXpNg | Sep 05 14:29 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-mastodon.technology | Derek Taylor 🐧: "@schestowitz@pleroma.site Love the picture of Jim…" - Mastodon for Tech Folks | Sep 05 14:29 | |
| schestowitz__ | [14:13] <schestowitz__> "Love the picture of Jim Zemlin with the MS execs. Maybe they should rename the foundation: The Windows Subsystem For The Linux Foundation" | Sep 05 14:29 |
| schestowitz__ | Since last year our #linuxofundation wiki was viewed about a quarter million times http://techrights.org/wiki/index.php/Linux_Foundation | Sep 05 14:30 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Linux Foundation - Techrights | Sep 05 14:30 | |
| MinceR | or just "Microsoft Linux Foundation" | Sep 05 14:31 |
| kingoffrance | unicode has hearts now, surely they would want to emphasize that | Sep 05 14:54 |
| MinceR | :> | Sep 05 14:55 |
| MinceR | instead of the Ministy of Love, it's the Foundation of Love | Sep 05 14:56 |
| schestowitz__ | kingoffrance: emojis are disgusting | Sep 05 15:09 |
| schestowitz__ | some CMSs choke on them | Sep 05 15:09 |
| schestowitz__ | like drupal6 | Sep 05 15:09 |
| kingoffrance | well they put colors for the hearts, which perfectionist me says is not mvc | Sep 05 15:11 |
| kingoffrance | should be combining chars or something maybe, not hardcoded into some particular set | Sep 05 15:12 |
| kingoffrance | if i understand properly anyways | Sep 05 15:12 |
| kingoffrance | then it might be generally useful | Sep 05 15:12 |
| kingoffrance | and the example page i saw the colors didnt match the char anyway | Sep 05 15:12 |
| kingoffrance | minor things perhaps, but i am no fan of unicode hearts | Sep 05 15:14 |
| kingoffrance | what little i saw horrified me | Sep 05 15:15 |
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| MinceR | (audio:important) https://vid.pr0gramm.com/2020/07/10/497f31cc2dd985f4.mp4 | Sep 05 15:47 |
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| schestowitz__ | https://danielpocock.com/positive-results-from-opw-2013/ | Sep 05 16:52 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Positive results from Outreach Program for Women | DanielPocock.com | Sep 05 16:52 | |
| schestowitz__ | https://danielpocock.com/some-further-observations-on-systemd/ | Sep 05 16:53 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Some further observations on init replacement | DanielPocock.com | Sep 05 16:53 | |
| schestowitz__ | "The blog wasn't intended to disparage any of the init replacements or suggest that these types of issues are show-stoppers. Rather, it was simply to demonstrate the fact that developers need to divert attention from other activities (like bug fixing, new features, etc) to correctly adapt things and support the wide range of init replacements that have emerged. As revealed in some comments like this one, systemd can even assist with | Sep 05 16:53 |
| schestowitz__ | privileged port assignments: it's nice a feature, but also likely to require more development time to integrate." | Sep 05 16:53 |
| MinceR | (cat) https://ircz.de/p/20012312 | Sep 05 16:55 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-ircz.de | IRCZ makes your life worth living Post object (4302562) | Sep 05 16:55 | |
| schestowitz__ | https://danielpocock.com/beyond-init-systems-other-simplification/ | Sep 05 16:56 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Beyond init systems: other opportunities for simplification | DanielPocock.com | Sep 05 16:56 | |
| schestowitz__ | Ariadne: http://techrights.org/2020/09/05/esr-meme/ | Sep 05 17:32 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | [Meme] Open Source is a Lot More Radical and Less Tolerant Than Free Software and Richard Stallman | Techrights | Sep 05 17:32 | |
| DaemonFC[m] | schestowitz__ GNOME Chapter 11 for Womyn. | Sep 05 17:41 |
| DaemonFC[m] | 🤣 | Sep 05 17:41 |
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| schestowitz__ | huh? | Sep 05 17:57 |
| schestowitz__ | don't use those terms | Sep 05 17:58 |
| Chaekyung | >The Techrights website has a huge archive filled with investigative and mostly critical articles they've written about the Linux Foundation at techrights.org/ wiki/index.php/Linux_Foundation. | Sep 05 17:58 |
| Chaekyung | that an accurate description or should I change it | Sep 05 17:58 |
| schestowitz__ | you add sexist stuff to your racist ramblings here | Sep 05 17:58 |
| schestowitz__ | Chaekyung: you need a wiki account for it | Sep 05 17:59 |
| schestowitz__ | we limited access like anon edits because of FLOODS of spam | Sep 05 17:59 |
| Chaekyung | don't care about that, just wondering what the text in the links section of LF page on my wiki should say. the above text is what I used | Sep 05 17:59 |
| schestowitz__ | like thousands of spammy edits per day; we tried that last year, had to restore DB from backup to undo the huge amount of spam inserted very rapidly | Sep 05 17:59 |
| schestowitz__ | ah, ok, yes | Sep 05 17:59 |
| schestowitz__ | there's also older stuff | Sep 05 18:00 |
| Chaekyung | you're subject to an organization called blazing seo schestowitz__ | Sep 05 18:00 |
| Chaekyung | https://linuxreviews.org/Blazing_SEO | Sep 05 18:00 |
| schestowitz__ | http://techrights.org/wiki/index.php/Linux_Foundation_Archives | Sep 05 18:00 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-linuxreviews.org | Blazing SEO - LinuxReviews | Sep 05 18:00 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Linux Foundation Archives - Techrights | Sep 05 18:00 | |
| Chaekyung | schestowitz__: you need something like ConfirmEdit/QuestyCaptcha | Sep 05 18:00 |
| Chaekyung | schestowitz__: blazing seo has a pretty large subnet and they will send you dozens of HTTP POST requests by the hour if you run mediawiki | Sep 05 18:01 |
| Chaekyung | this works fine for me: | Sep 05 18:01 |
| Chaekyung | $wgCaptchaClass = 'QuestyCaptcha'; | Sep 05 18:01 |
| Chaekyung | $wgCaptchaQuestions[] = array( 'question' => '<p style="font-size:huge;font-face:bold;">Which editor is the best of vi, vim, nano, kate and emacs?</p>', 'answer' => array( 'vi', 'VI', 'vim', 'emacs', 'Emacs', 'EMACS', 'kate', 'nano', 'idk' ) ); | Sep 05 18:01 |
| schestowitz__ | I think those edits came from russia, but did not check closely | Sep 05 18:01 |
| schestowitz__ | I spent many hours of my wife deleting wiki spam | Sep 05 18:02 |
| schestowitz__ | and the amount of positive edits was too small to be worth it | Sep 05 18:02 |
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| schestowitz__ | *wife->life | Sep 05 18:04 |
| schestowitz__ | weird typo | Sep 05 18:04 |
| _I3^RELATIVISM | yeah | Sep 05 18:04 |
| schestowitz__ | (no, she doesn't edit anything in techrights, only tuxmachines) | Sep 05 18:04 |
| _I3^RELATIVISM | slave wife aha | Sep 05 18:04 |
| Chaekyung | I'm not shocked, I too see near-zero useful edits | Sep 05 18:05 |
| Chaekyung | but I don't have any problem with spam or bad edits at all either, the combination of no HTTP 1.0 POST and captcha solved that one | Sep 05 18:06 |
| _I3^RELATIVISM | captha is not FOSS though | Sep 05 18:06 |
| XRevan86 | captcha is a term, it's not FOSS, because it's not software | Sep 05 18:07 |
| XRevan86 | a captcha is something that captures bots | Sep 05 18:08 |
| _I3^RELATIVISM | Imeant the usual caprcha web page | Sep 05 18:08 |
| XRevan86 | recaptcha or hcaptcha? | Sep 05 18:08 |
| XRevan86 | (Google and Cloudflare) | Sep 05 18:09 |
| _I3^RELATIVISM | https://wpvivid.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/04/xAdvanced-NoCaptcha-Invisible-Captcha-wordpress-captcha-plugin.png.pagespeed.ic.FZ2j---Web.png | Sep 05 18:09 |
| XRevan86 | That's Google's recaptcha specifically. | Sep 05 18:10 |
| _I3^RELATIVISM | cheers for the share though | Sep 05 18:10 |
| _I3^RELATIVISM | I thought captcha was recaptcha | Sep 05 18:11 |
| Chaekyung | idling in this channel is fun since I get to paste fun things I see | Sep 05 18:12 |
| Chaekyung | [edit] | Sep 05 18:12 |
| Chaekyung | There is speculation, for example: http://techrights.org/2019/06/05/linux-com-future-uncertain/ , that the Linux Foundation now has commercial goals incompatible with its stated aim of supporting the growth of Linux. I don't have a reference meeting Wikipedia standards, but it wouldn't be surprising since Microsoft became a financial supporter of the Linux Foundation. | Sep 05 18:12 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | The Linux Foundation Fires All Staff and Editors at Linux.com. Future Uncertain. | Techrights | Sep 05 18:12 | |
| Chaekyung | >NOT a "reference meeting Wikipedia standards" | Sep 05 18:12 |
| Chaekyung | lol | Sep 05 18:12 |
| Chaekyung | "standards" | Sep 05 18:12 |
| Chaekyung | "In a time of universal deceit — telling the truth is a revolutionary act." | Sep 05 18:13 |
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| -viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: News Hotfix: Nitrux 1.3.2 http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/141771 [https://pleroma.site/objects/b3abcc76-87ef-496b-bda6-218edd135887] | Sep 05 18:32 | |
| -viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: Programming Leftovers http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/141775 [https://pleroma.site/objects/3c12aa7a-a5f4-4c9f-bf55-f4c6d6822883] | Sep 05 18:41 | |
| -viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: today’s leftovers http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/141776 [https://pleroma.site/objects/706c44f8-0fe7-4e07-a02d-32c354c063ea] | Sep 05 18:45 | |
| schestowitz__ | Chaekyung: Murdoch, Rupert. sTANDaRDS! | Sep 05 18:47 |
| schestowitz__ | It is well funded, hence "credible" | Sep 05 18:48 |
| schestowitz__ | I heard a lot of similar things | Sep 05 18:48 |
| schestowitz__ | people show original emails as evidence | Sep 05 18:48 |
| schestowitz__ | but no... unless some paid "journalist" covers it, that doesn't exist, won't count | Sep 05 18:48 |
| schestowitz__ | [18:13] <Chaekyung> "In a time of universal deceit — telling the truth is a revolutionary act." | Sep 05 18:49 |
| schestowitz__ | wikipedia is a waste of time | Sep 05 18:49 |
| schestowitz__ | reddit is a waste of time | Sep 05 18:49 |
| schestowitz__ | HN and ./ similar | Sep 05 18:49 |
| schestowitz__ | I don't mind traffic from them, sure.. | Sep 05 18:49 |
| schestowitz__ | the comments will be mostly hostile | Sep 05 18:49 |
| schestowitz__ | and the owners of these are sucking up to "big bucks" | Sep 05 18:50 |
| schestowitz__ | i.e. not what community has to say | Sep 05 18:50 |
| schestowitz__ | so they look for excuses | Sep 05 18:50 |
| _I3^RELATIVISM | wikipdia is not a waste of time | Sep 05 18:50 |
| schestowitz__ | no ssl | Sep 05 18:50 |
| schestowitz__ | bad fonts | Sep 05 18:50 |
| schestowitz__ | person not well known | Sep 05 18:50 |
| schestowitz__ | ugly theme | Sep 05 18:50 |
| _I3^RELATIVISM | if anything is wrong just fix it | Sep 05 18:50 |
| schestowitz__ | "toxic" | Sep 05 18:50 |
| schestowitz__ | "rigth wing" | Sep 05 18:50 |
| schestowitz__ | racist, sexist etc. | Sep 05 18:50 |
| schestowitz__ | anything to pass shallow muster | Sep 05 18:50 |
| schestowitz__ | so they're a waste of time | Sep 05 18:50 |
| schestowitz__ | accuracy track record speaks for itself | Sep 05 18:51 |
| schestowitz__ | and... it's not likely "to be televised" | Sep 05 18:51 |
| schestowitz__ | because broadcast is expensive and owned/controlled by the wealthy | Sep 05 18:51 |
| -viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: Links 5/9/2020: Wayland’s Weston 9.0, FreeIPMI 1.6.6 and Nitrux 1.3.2 http://techrights.org/2020/09/05/nitrux-1-3-2-2/ [https://pleroma.site/objects/62c35243-5ba5-4810-8279-7e78a774f349] | Sep 05 18:55 | |
| schestowitz__ | "reference meeting Wikipedia standards" = agrees with corporate interests | Sep 05 18:56 |
| schestowitz__ | anything that does not is "Conspiracy Theory" | Sep 05 18:56 |
| schestowitz__ | Because how could corporations ever be wrong or tell lies anyway? | Sep 05 18:57 |
| DaemonFC[m] | schestowitz__: The Democrats gave Clinton a blink and you'll miss him appearance and haven't had Carter speak for decades. | Sep 05 20:19 |
| DaemonFC[m] | They have to hide what they were doing as recently as 20 years ago and hope nobody looks too closely at it. | Sep 05 20:19 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Carter gave enough lip service to segregationists and Clinton gave enough to racists in the south that both of them managed to pull off a "southern strategy", although by 1996 Clinton's was pretty much gone. | Sep 05 20:20 |
| DaemonFC[m] | He won by so many electoral votes in 1992 that he didn't need many of the states that he later lost to Bob Dole somehow | Sep 05 20:21 |
| DaemonFC[m] | I don't think that the impeachment thing really moved the needle that much in Florida for Al Gore, but they were doing all kinds of nasty things like listing Pat Buchanan second on a butterfly ballot, so that they'd trick some people into voting for him instead of Al Gore. | Sep 05 20:22 |
| DaemonFC[m] | In 2004, Karl Rove shored Bush up at the state level by putting anti-gay marriage ballot initiatives on the ballots in states where the idea was very unpopular. | Sep 05 20:23 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Thereby ensuring people would come to vote to pass those and vote for Bush while they were there. | Sep 05 20:23 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Governor Pritzker in Illinois has been self-funding a PAC to get people to vote by mail. He wants as many people to vote as possible because it reduces the percentage that have to vote yes on the Progressive Tax. | Sep 05 20:24 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Even if they vote no, the act of voting at all reduces the threshold to 50% of the people who are voting in the election. | Sep 05 20:25 |
| DaemonFC[m] | I've been seeing a lot of signs up for the Republican prosecutor. | Sep 05 20:25 |
| DaemonFC[m] | I was thinking about ordering a bunch of stickers that say FUCK on them and putting them over "re-elect". | Sep 05 20:26 |
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| MinceR | https://www.madmagazine.com/blog/2016/12/23/mads-caption-contest-winner | Sep 05 23:03 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.madmagazine.com | MAD’s Caption Contest Winner! | Mad Magazine | Sep 05 23:03 | |
| -viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: elementary OS 6 Odin: New Features and Release Date http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/141777 [https://pleroma.site/objects/a044c087-1339-4141-a764-ae057c7c7305] | Sep 05 23:03 | |
| -viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: #Android Leftovers http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/141774 [https://pleroma.site/objects/37c69741-0fa1-4fc7-a310-3ebf3f5cc6bd] | Sep 05 23:05 | |
| schestowitz__ | DaemonFC[m]: Lesser Evil 2020 | Sep 05 23:11 |
| MinceR | https://images-na.ssl-images-amazon.com/images/I/519TnuaDjXL._AC_SL1150_.jpg | Sep 05 23:12 |
| -viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: #KDE Starts September With Faster #Konsole Launching, #Dolphin Thumbnail Generation http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/141763#comment-26330 [https://pleroma.site/objects/7f1245af-705b-493c-b0f8-151b541504b9] | Sep 05 23:32 | |
| MinceR | https://www.madmagazine.com/blog/2016/06/17/don-martin-one-day-on-a-desert-island | Sep 05 23:32 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.madmagazine.com | Don Martin: One Day on a Desert Island | Mad Magazine | Sep 05 23:32 | |
| -viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: Linux kernel security fixes spotted before release with side channel attack on…developer mailing lists http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/141779 [https://pleroma.site/objects/2afc4bcb-558e-446c-af43-774546471ade] | Sep 05 23:46 | |
| -viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: Tuxedo readies new 15.6-inch Polaris gaming notebooks featuring AMD’s Ryzen 4000H and Intel’s Comet Lake processors http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/141651#comment-26332 [https://pleroma.site/objects/a808998c-1cd4-43d6-a1d9-de745164adf0] | Sep 05 23:53 | |
| -viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: How Raspberry Pi and Kubernetes work together http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/141780 [https://pleroma.site/objects/cd0fcda3-a2ff-40bb-aab5-d9110a36eb2a] | Sep 05 23:58 | |
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