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| DaemonFC[m] | BMW backed off from charging Apple useds extra for Carplay. | Dec 05 00:16 |
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| DaemonFC[m] | I guess a car that depreciates 70% in 3 years and $160 oil changes were enough. | Dec 05 00:17 |
| MinceR | lol | Dec 05 00:17 |
| MinceR | they still don't support android auto, do they? | Dec 05 00:17 |
| DaemonFC[m] | They're hardly worth anything after 3 years because the snob effect wears off and thats when the car falls apart around you. | Dec 05 00:17 |
| MinceR | they assume that if someone was stupid enough to buy a BMW, they're too stupid to buy a smartphone | Dec 05 00:17 |
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| DaemonFC[m] | MinceR According to a teenager I met on Grindr a while back, Android is for poor people and criminals. | Dec 05 00:18 |
| MinceR | porsche is like that too, except they had the gall to sell their brand to some smartphone makers, and people who bought one of those get screwed by the brand they idolized | Dec 05 00:18 |
| MinceR | the german car industry is a joke | Dec 05 00:18 |
| cubexyz | if you can't fix it... the manufacturer has you by the balls | Dec 05 00:18 |
| DaemonFC[m] | I'm glad I didn't meet for conversation. | Dec 05 00:18 |
| MinceR | yeah, there are a couple billions of idiots on this planet | Dec 05 00:18 |
| DaemonFC[m] | My sister in law has a BMW that's 3 years old with 50,000 miles and they just got her for $1000 on a wheel bearing, $1,200 for tires, and the air conditioner works sometimes depending on whether you just drove over an even or odd numbered bump. | Dec 05 00:19 |
| MinceR | lol | Dec 05 00:20 |
| DaemonFC[m] | It's about as reliable as my 17 year old Chevy Impala, except everything costs 3 or 4 times to fix because 3 year old BMW. | Dec 05 00:21 |
| DaemonFC[m] | MinceR My husband said he swiped a backpack full of "free" Coke and candy from the BMW stealer. | Dec 05 00:22 |
| DaemonFC[m] | I said well for a thousand bucks on a wheel bearing, I hope they kissed her, and I'd expect a Coke when they were done. | Dec 05 00:23 |
| DaemonFC[m] | I had to replace one on the Impala and it was $270. | Dec 05 00:23 |
| DaemonFC[m] | The other 3 are original. The car has 265,000 miles. | Dec 05 00:24 |
| DaemonFC[m] | The Impala was leaking everything. | Dec 05 00:24 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Oil, transmission fluid, steeering fluid. | Dec 05 00:24 |
| oiaohm | https://www.ifixit.com/News/apples-activation-lock-will-make-it-very-difficult-to-refurbish-macs nice | Dec 05 00:25 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Apple’s Activation Lock Will Make It Very Difficult to Refurbish Macs - iFixit | Dec 05 00:25 | |
| cubexyz | oiaohm, yes I just saw that a few minutes ago | Dec 05 00:25 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Somehow that mountain of repairs including a new battery and tires cost about as much as a wheel bearing and some tires at BMW, MinceR | Dec 05 00:25 |
| DaemonFC[m] | If you even have to ask what the repairs will cost on a BMW, you shouldn't be driving one. | Dec 05 00:26 |
| DaemonFC[m] | The cost of the car is about half of what you'll end up paying over 5 years. | Dec 05 00:26 |
| cubexyz | the term is "veblen goods" | Dec 05 00:27 |
| cubexyz | also known as ostentatious | Dec 05 00:27 |
| DaemonFC[m] | I told my step sister, "Why don't you just put your husband on it? The only good thing is they put the oil filter on top of the engine. Anyone with a wrench can change oil on a BMW." | Dec 05 00:28 |
| DaemonFC[m] | $160....lol | Dec 05 00:28 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Even with that special "European oil" crap, it costs $60, tops. | Dec 05 00:28 |
| DaemonFC[m] | The Stealer is charging $100 for a 20 minute job a trained monkey could do once you subtract parts. | Dec 05 00:29 |
| DaemonFC[m] | MinceR I'm considering pouring Euro 0w30 in the car just for the hell of it. | Dec 05 00:30 |
| DaemonFC[m] | It says exceeds API SN on the bottle. | Dec 05 00:30 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Should work okay. | Dec 05 00:31 |
| DaemonFC[m] | We have 0w30 that's Group III here. | Dec 05 00:32 |
| DaemonFC[m] | It's cheaper. | Dec 05 00:32 |
| DaemonFC[m] | MinceR I have yet to meet anyone who owned a stupid European car who haven't spent the next few years regretting it until it blew up or they sold it at a severe loss. | Dec 05 00:34 |
| cubexyz | add up all the costs, then figure out how many bus rides (or taxi rides) it is | Dec 05 00:35 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Almost as bad as the BMW are those Volvos where the stupid Swedes put the battery in the trunk and caused the alternator to fail, and then put the alternator under the engine. | Dec 05 00:35 |
| cubexyz | initial cost + repairs + gas + insurance | Dec 05 00:36 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Initial cost: zero. Repairs: $4,800. Insurance: zero. (Mom's car and second on her policy.) | Dec 05 00:37 |
| DaemonFC[m] | The Impala. | Dec 05 00:37 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Screwing over the ex by skipping three payments on the Kia and then making him pay $3,000 just to get it out of repo so he can keep making payments: Priceless | Dec 05 00:38 |
| DaemonFC[m] | He ended up catching up the 3 $404.91 payments I skipped while I was living in a hotel because of the charges he filed, $1,800 in repo costs, and $100 in late payment fees. | Dec 05 00:39 |
| DaemonFC[m] | MinceR 😁 | Dec 05 00:39 |
| DaemonFC[m] | I also abused the car pretty bad over the summer, skipped an oil change, and parked it where I knew it would get dinged up pretty bad. | Dec 05 00:40 |
| DaemonFC[m] | MinceR Scotty Kilmer said Volvos were worse than Pewdiepie. | Dec 05 00:41 |
| DaemonFC[m] | "All this extra wiring to put the battery in the trunk just puts more strain on the alternator, and more wiring means more wiring that can short out." | Dec 05 00:42 |
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| oiaohm | DaemonFC[m]: its more complex than that. | Dec 05 00:48 |
| oiaohm | Putting battery in boot away from engine can have some other interesting advantages. | Dec 05 00:49 |
| oiaohm | DaemonFC[m]: https://batteryuniversity.com/learn/article/charging_the_lead_acid_battery battery in boot can be closer to ideal charging temp than battery in engine bay. | Dec 05 00:53 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-batteryuniversity.com | Charging Information For Lead Acid Batteries – Battery University | Dec 05 00:53 | |
| oiaohm | DaemonFC[m]: one of the funny reasons why battery in trunk can go through more alternators is not charging that battery it can be that the battery can in fact put out more power to start the car than a overheated battery in engine bay. | Dec 05 00:57 |
| DaemonFC[m] | oiaohm I dumped a can of Gumout Multi System Cleaner in my Impala's tank and my car stumbled and died when I started it today. | Dec 05 00:59 |
| DaemonFC[m] | I've had this happen before when my Crown Vic was running rough and I used the same fuel system cleaner. | Dec 05 01:00 |
| oiaohm | You do have to watch using those. | Dec 05 01:00 |
| DaemonFC[m] | It seems like cars with a significant carbon buildup really don't like the first can or two of Gumout but the car runs better after. | Dec 05 01:00 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Scotty Kilmer showed the piston tops on a Toyota before and after three tanks with the gumout multi system cleaner and they were nice and shiny when they looked like shit before. | Dec 05 01:02 |
| oiaohm | I have see the case here where service station tank anti baterial agents react with items like Gumout Multi System Cleaner to make injector blocking goo. | Dec 05 01:02 |
| oiaohm | So before putting something like that in car can be a good idea to test a small amount of fuel and cleaner in bottle. | Dec 05 01:02 |
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| DaemonFC[m] | oiaohm GM sells the same thing basically. | Dec 05 01:03 |
| DaemonFC[m] | GM Fuel System Cleaner Plus. It's PEA. | Dec 05 01:04 |
| DaemonFC[m] | They started selling it because their fuel sending units got sulfur building and turned into the infamous GM "guess gauge". | Dec 05 01:04 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Where they just went all over the place and you never know how much gas is really in the car. | Dec 05 01:05 |
| DaemonFC[m] | *buildup | Dec 05 01:05 |
| oiaohm | It does not change that the source of it + the wrong cleaning agent used by service station equals hell. | Dec 05 01:05 |
| DaemonFC[m] | The standard here in the US is PEA in the gasoline, but not all stations use the same amount. | Dec 05 01:06 |
| DaemonFC[m] | So the Gumout that has PEA in it it a concentrated dose every now and then and the idea is it cleans up some of the leftover crud. | Dec 05 01:06 |
| DaemonFC[m] | I used a bottle of Regane a couple thousand miles ago becuase I was getting misfires so bad that the damned tachometer was all over the place. | Dec 05 01:07 |
| oiaohm | Gumout does not only contain PEA. | Dec 05 01:08 |
| oiaohm | Most of them add something of their own to the mix. | Dec 05 01:08 |
| DaemonFC[m] | The multi system stuff seems to clean a lot more carbon out than Techron or Gumout Regane. | Dec 05 01:08 |
| DaemonFC[m] | ChrisFix did some before and after pics and the Techron barely does anything at all. | Dec 05 01:09 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Hardly worth wasting your money on. | Dec 05 01:09 |
| oiaohm | That something of their own + what the service station have added to tank maintenance. | Dec 05 01:09 |
| oiaohm | Is what makes the evil injector blocking goo. | Dec 05 01:09 |
| DaemonFC[m] | You'd have to run it in 10 tanks of gas at that rate to see any real difference. | Dec 05 01:09 |
| DaemonFC[m] | I suspect the multi system cleaner does work. | Dec 05 01:10 |
| oiaohm | Living in Australia where I could be driving 1000km into the middle of no where. You get very careful with these cleaners. | Dec 05 01:11 |
| oiaohm | And you get to know the disasaters. | Dec 05 01:11 |
| DaemonFC[m] | I've heard a lot of people say it made their misfire or catalytic converter codes go away. | Dec 05 01:11 |
| DaemonFC[m] | And I like Scotty Kilmer. | Dec 05 01:11 |
| oiaohm | https://www.diyautoworksng.com/things-that-damage-catalytic-converters/ I would not be too sure on fuel cleaners improving catalytic converters. | Dec 05 01:14 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Things that Damage Catalytic Converters! - DIYAutoWorksNG | Dec 05 01:14 | |
| DaemonFC[m] | The EPA has to approve the formula to make sure it won't damage the catalytic converter. | Dec 05 01:16 |
| oiaohm | No has to have a decent chance of not doing in your catalytic converter not that it will not. | Dec 05 01:16 |
| oiaohm | The side effect of the formula cleaning out the build up can at times make the engine act like it is rich that the catalytic converter hates. | Dec 05 01:17 |
| DaemonFC[m] | After 17 years of god only knows what going on with my mom... | Dec 05 01:18 |
| oiaohm | DaemonFC[m]: basically trade off. Using fuel to clean inside of engine with a light risk of having to replace catalytic converter instead of having to completely disasmeble the engine. | Dec 05 01:18 |
| DaemonFC[m] | The car wasn't running good on regular gas. | Dec 05 01:18 |
| DaemonFC[m] | So at least that's solved. | Dec 05 01:19 |
| oiaohm | Also not running good fuel is most likely not doing the catalytic converter any good either. | Dec 05 01:19 |
| DaemonFC[m] | The ultra low sulfur rule should fix the GM Guess Gauge problem in the future, I guess. | Dec 05 01:20 |
| oiaohm | Basically I am not willing to say that fuel aditives fix a catalytic convertor. The sensor at the catalytic convertor can be a rich fuel detector. | Dec 05 01:20 |
| DaemonFC[m] | So why did it make the light go off after the guy ran the third tank with multi system cleaner in it? | Dec 05 01:21 |
| oiaohm | If the rich fuel detector at the catalytic convertor is going off it kind of already doomed. | Dec 05 01:21 |
| oiaohm | So a little more damage from a fuel additive to stop that is not going to be a major problem. | Dec 05 01:21 |
| DaemonFC[m] | The code says it was running inefficiently or something. | Dec 05 01:21 |
| oiaohm | That normally rich. | Dec 05 01:21 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Luckily, Indiana doesn't do emissions testing. | Dec 05 01:22 |
| oiaohm | As on raw fuel is getting to the catalytic convertor that is really does not like. | Dec 05 01:22 |
| DaemonFC[m] | The Gumout bottle says "Helps pass emissions." though. | Dec 05 01:22 |
| DaemonFC[m] | I replaced the old worn out spark plugs. | Dec 05 01:22 |
| DaemonFC[m] | They looked like shit. It was pretty horrible. | Dec 05 01:22 |
| oiaohm | Still that can be true. Its not like you need 100 percent of your catalytic convertor to pass emissions. | Dec 05 01:22 |
| DaemonFC[m] | The car runs a lot better with the iridiums. | Dec 05 01:23 |
| oiaohm | A catalytic convertor getting raw fuel will not pass emissions. | Dec 05 01:23 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Yeah, if you have unburned fuel getting that far, you have a problem. | Dec 05 01:23 |
| oiaohm | Lot of people have the wrong idea what EPA approved formulas for engine cleaning mean. | Dec 05 01:23 |
| DaemonFC[m] | PCV valve is cheap and can cause failed emissions. | Dec 05 01:24 |
| oiaohm | Yes it will clean your engine. Yes it will make a screwed up engine not consume it catalytic convertor as fast as it was going to. | Dec 05 01:24 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Bad gas cap can do it. | Dec 05 01:24 |
| oiaohm | But using it on a clean engine when you don't need it. | Dec 05 01:24 |
| DaemonFC[m] | I had fuel vapor escaping the old one but no check engine. | Dec 05 01:24 |
| DaemonFC[m] | How is that? | Dec 05 01:25 |
| DaemonFC[m] | The car smelled like gas on startup sometimes. Read it's usually the gas cap. Put a new one on and no more smell. | Dec 05 01:25 |
| oiaohm | I have seen fuel vapor blow bonnet off car and no check engine light. | Dec 05 01:25 |
| oiaohm | Nice leaking injector line. | Dec 05 01:25 |
| DaemonFC[m] | It's supposed to report a leak. | Dec 05 01:26 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Anyway, no more smell. Yay. | Dec 05 01:26 |
| oiaohm | Not if the leak is minor enough. | Dec 05 01:26 |
| oiaohm | Was not my car thank god person pulled up at lights next to cop car and had bonnet leave car and I was on the other side of road. | Dec 05 01:27 |
| DaemonFC[m] | oiaohm I had an interesting problem | Dec 05 01:27 |
| oiaohm | I worked with the toe truck comapny so found what happened. | Dec 05 01:27 |
| DaemonFC[m] | My computer said like 24 25 mpg. | Dec 05 01:28 |
| DaemonFC[m] | But I only got like 20 oe 20.5 when I calculated it. | Dec 05 01:28 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Ever since they disconnected the old car battery and put the new AGM on it, it was going down on the computer, but still where it always is when I calculated it. | Dec 05 01:28 |
| oiaohm | That not the first time I have seen that. | Dec 05 01:28 |
| DaemonFC[m] | So I reset the computer and it's reporting pretty close to what gets now. | Dec 05 01:29 |
| DaemonFC[m] | What the hell is happening? | Dec 05 01:29 |
| oiaohm | There are a few different ways to calculate mpg. | Dec 05 01:29 |
| oiaohm | One takes tempeture into account. | Dec 05 01:29 |
| DaemonFC[m] | It was overestimating 13 or 14 percent and now it's close. | Dec 05 01:29 |
| oiaohm | If tempeture sensor is miss calibrated it can be horribely out. | Dec 05 01:29 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Is that something to be concerned with? | Dec 05 01:30 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Was it fucked up and the battery swap fixed it? | Dec 05 01:30 |
| oiaohm | Depends on the computer in the car. | Dec 05 01:30 |
| oiaohm | Yes swaping batteries can reboot computer and result in some of these problems getting magically fixed. | Dec 05 01:31 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Actual gas mileage is about the same as ever. | Dec 05 01:31 |
| DaemonFC[m] | It's just that the stupid computer that was always wrong is right now. | Dec 05 01:31 |
| oiaohm | Some cars are using air intake temp and fuel temp in tank to attempt to keep getting ideal air to fuel ratios. | Dec 05 01:31 |
| oiaohm | So if your car is using those sensors that way and they are out o my ouch. | Dec 05 01:32 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Should my mileage improve any with the new gas cap? | Dec 05 01:32 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Now that it isn't leaking fumes. | Dec 05 01:32 |
| oiaohm | Yes by quite a bit. | Dec 05 01:32 |
| oiaohm | I cannot remember the vapor rate of fuel. | Dec 05 01:33 |
| oiaohm | leaking from tanks on adverage | Dec 05 01:33 |
| DaemonFC[m] | My mom doesn't do anything except change the oil and have it towed when it breaks down. | Dec 05 01:33 |
| DaemonFC[m] | So it's a miracle it even still works. | Dec 05 01:33 |
| DaemonFC[m] | The mechanic said it was leaking transmission fluid in three different places | Dec 05 01:34 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Two axle seals and a pan gasket. | Dec 05 01:34 |
| DaemonFC[m] | I asked him if it was still red before I paid them to change the fluid. | Dec 05 01:34 |
| oiaohm | I worked in spare parts at a service station for a while. We had a chart on how much fuel you lost from a missing gas cap and incorrect fitting one on adverage. | Dec 05 01:34 |
| DaemonFC[m] | If it's brown or black, you're screwed anyway. | Dec 05 01:34 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Somehow, it was red, so someone changed the fluid a few times. | Dec 05 01:34 |
| oiaohm | I know out at worse that you could be losing 1/4 of your tank in vapor. | Dec 05 01:35 |
| oiaohm | That completely missing gas cap and the right conditions. | Dec 05 01:35 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Yeah, no gas cap I've heard up to 30 gallo s a year lost as vapor. | Dec 05 01:36 |
| DaemonFC[m] | But I guess a small leak wouldn't be as bad. | Dec 05 01:36 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Even a tank a year would be painful with what gas costs these days. | Dec 05 01:36 |
| oiaohm | Depends on your car some cars fuel cap area when driving at speed ends up part vacuum. | Dec 05 01:36 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Three times what a new cap costs. | Dec 05 01:37 |
| oiaohm | Basically even a small leak from fuel cap the replacement cost can be basically nothing. | Dec 05 01:37 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Yeah 12 bucks for a new gas cap. | Dec 05 01:38 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Gas costs $2.80 a gallon right now. | Dec 05 01:38 |
| DaemonFC[m] | So if you lose 20 gallons out the seal as fumes in a year, thats between 50 and 60 dollars. | Dec 05 01:38 |
| oiaohm | after market gas caps in Australia that are good enough to seal properly can be as low as 5 dollar AUD. | Dec 05 01:38 |
| DaemonFC[m] | I stopped by Oreilly because I finally got sick of smelling gas. | Dec 05 01:39 |
| oiaohm | that is without the leaking fuels collecting in your garage or someone and blowing the living crap out of it. | Dec 05 01:39 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Could have done like 3 dolllars better on Amazon. | Dec 05 01:39 |
| oiaohm | someone/somewhere. | Dec 05 01:39 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Uh, I park outside. | Dec 05 01:40 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Living in a hotel because of Scumbucket and the Disorderly Conduct probation. | Dec 05 01:40 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Fucking landlords wouldn't talk to me with pending aggravated assault charges so I maxed out my credit cards and now I'm staring into the abyss on that. | Dec 05 01:41 |
| oiaohm | DaemonFC[m]: Gasoline vapors are denser than air, <<< So they don't magically go away. | Dec 05 01:41 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Yeah, which is probably why they were hanging around the car and getting inside. | Dec 05 01:41 |
| oiaohm | So lets say you have inground power and your park your gas fume leaking car over the top of it. | Dec 05 01:41 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Oh dear. | Dec 05 01:42 |
| oiaohm | fuel fumes leak is fix. | Dec 05 01:42 |
| oiaohm | Results of not fixing can really catch you off guard. | Dec 05 01:42 |
| oiaohm | Lot of people have the incorrect though that car is parked out side fuel fume leak problem is not a problem. | Dec 05 01:43 |
| oiaohm | though/idea | Dec 05 01:44 |
| oiaohm | When it can be a really horrible problem. | Dec 05 01:44 |
| oiaohm | DaemonFC[m]: https://auto.howstuffworks.com/car-driving-safety/accidents-hazardous-conditions/10-causes-of-car-fires10.htm the number one cause of having your car catch fire is a fuel leak either in liquid or vapor. | Dec 05 01:46 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-auto.howstuffworks.com | 1: Fuel System Leaks - Top 10 Causes of Car Fires | HowStuffWorks | Dec 05 01:46 | |
| oiaohm | So even if it fuel was dead cheap it still highly unwise not to fix a leaking fuel cap. | Dec 05 01:47 |
| danielp3344 | I had fuel leaks in my car for a while. | Dec 05 01:47 |
| danielp3344 | I wish people wouldn't use metal fuel lines | Dec 05 01:47 |
| oiaohm | danielp3344: the non metal ones can also fail due to the wrong aditivies. | Dec 05 01:48 |
| danielp3344 | oiaohm: yeah, I've had that happen to me | Dec 05 01:48 |
| oiaohm | So pick your devil. | Dec 05 01:48 |
| danielp3344 | lol | Dec 05 01:48 |
| danielp3344 | Someday soon I intend to replace them all with stainless lines. | Dec 05 01:49 |
| danielp3344 | When replace the tank and pump | Dec 05 01:49 |
| danielp3344 | when I* | Dec 05 01:49 |
| oiaohm | That will be as soon as you can afford. | Dec 05 01:49 |
| danielp3344 | no kidding | Dec 05 01:50 |
| oiaohm | So you take the least amount of risk of car being fireball. | Dec 05 01:50 |
| danielp3344 | I have to finish the engine rebuild first | Dec 05 01:50 |
| danielp3344 | oiaohm: car is off the road atm | Dec 05 01:50 |
| oiaohm | Do be aware of vapor collection. | Dec 05 01:50 |
| danielp3344 | oiaohm: as in evap? | Dec 05 01:50 |
| oiaohm | fuel vapor collection I mean. | Dec 05 01:51 |
| danielp3344 | ah yeah | Dec 05 01:51 |
| danielp3344 | My new fuel system is going to be a lot more simple | Dec 05 01:51 |
| oiaohm | Something I have seen people rebuilding engines forgot about to there own personal harm. | Dec 05 01:51 |
| oiaohm | And planned to be inspectable? | Dec 05 01:51 |
| danielp3344 | oiaohm: everything needs to be, this is a race car | Dec 05 01:52 |
| oiaohm | Not like some car makers who run the fuel lines where you could never be checked. | Dec 05 01:52 |
| danielp3344 | I'm thinking a stock LSX type plastic tank with just two lines going right to the TBI setup | Dec 05 01:52 |
| oiaohm | I have seen race cars with fuel lines that cannot be properly inspected. | Dec 05 01:52 |
| danielp3344 | me too | Dec 05 01:53 |
| danielp3344 | The underbody on this car is pretty open | Dec 05 01:53 |
| oiaohm | Fitted a double firewall run the fuel line though is and had a fuel leak in middle resulting in firewall coming flying fragments was the worse I have seen in a race car. | Dec 05 01:54 |
| danielp3344 | ouch | Dec 05 01:54 |
| danielp3344 | My lines are run under the firewall and up into the engine bay | Dec 05 01:54 |
| danielp3344 | I think I'll keep them there | Dec 05 01:54 |
| oiaohm | Good part was it went bang when no one was in car. | Dec 05 01:55 |
| oiaohm | Bad part was that was no racing for quite some time. | Dec 05 01:55 |
| oiaohm | For some reason the race offically wanted every car reinspected. | Dec 05 01:56 |
| oiaohm | danielp3344: there is always a temptation to run stuff though the firewall you don't have to. | Dec 05 01:57 |
| oiaohm | Pays to avoid it with when you can. | Dec 05 01:58 |
| danielp3344 | yeah | Dec 05 01:58 |
| DaemonFC[m] | I plan to get one of those 6 pack of gumout multi system cleaner and run them through the next several tanks of gas until it muse be so clean in there you could eat off it. | Dec 05 01:59 |
| DaemonFC[m] | A car that runs like shit is not fun. | Dec 05 01:59 |
| DaemonFC[m] | I don't know if it affects mileage, but using mid grade gas will be more expensive than just cleaning the shit out of the system. | Dec 05 02:00 |
| danielp3344 | DaemonFC: B12 | Dec 05 02:00 |
| danielp3344 | Best fuel system cleaner I'm aware of. | Dec 05 02:00 |
| DaemonFC[m] | The carbon buildup had gotten so bad it was causing misfires. | Dec 05 02:01 |
| DaemonFC[m] | It's not that bad anymore. | Dec 05 02:01 |
| danielp3344 | DaemonFC: maybe run some seafoam too | Dec 05 02:01 |
| DaemonFC[m] | The spark plugs looked terrible. | Dec 05 02:01 |
| DaemonFC[m] | New iridium plugs fixed the majority of the problem. | Dec 05 02:01 |
| DaemonFC[m] | The tachometer is stable now. | Dec 05 02:01 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Seafoam doesn't clean modern engines very well. | Dec 05 02:02 |
| danielp3344 | DaemonFC: that engine isn't very modern | Dec 05 02:02 |
| DaemonFC[m] | It was made for old two atroke motor boat engines. | Dec 05 02:02 |
| DaemonFC[m] | And even most of those are four stroke now. | Dec 05 02:02 |
| danielp3344 | <DaemonFC[m] "It was made for old two atroke m"> irrelevant | Dec 05 02:02 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Very relevant. | Dec 05 02:02 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Part of what made them run better with Seafoam was the petroleum distillates it has in it. | Dec 05 02:03 |
| DaemonFC[m] | PEA is a much better solvent for engine cleaning. | Dec 05 02:04 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Most of the others just put out a pretty good smoke show and that's the product itself burning off and the person doing it is an idiot. | Dec 05 02:04 |
| danielp3344 | DaemonFC: I've seen some pretty notable improvements with seafoam | Dec 05 02:05 |
| danielp3344 | Pull the plugs and stull before and after | Dec 05 02:05 |
| DaemonFC[m] | If yoi have a 2013 Mustang and you're using Seafoam, that's retarded. | Dec 05 02:05 |
| danielp3344 | stuff | Dec 05 02:05 |
| DaemonFC[m] | First off, you should be using top tier gas in modern engines for sure. | Dec 05 02:06 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Then you'll never have a huge deposit problem. | Dec 05 02:06 |
| danielp3344 | DaemonFC: nah | Dec 05 02:06 |
| danielp3344 | not cost effective | Dec 05 02:06 |
| DaemonFC[m] | 3 cents more a gallon? | Dec 05 02:06 |
| danielp3344 | cheap gas + fuel system cleaner is cheaper in the long run | Dec 05 02:06 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Not really. | Dec 05 02:06 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Have you seen some of these gdi engines that have been run on cheap gas? | Dec 05 02:07 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Doesn't take long. | Dec 05 02:07 |
| danielp3344 | lol | Dec 05 02:07 |
| danielp3344 | design better engines | Dec 05 02:07 |
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| DaemonFC[m] | GDI is a better engine. | Dec 05 02:12 |
| DaemonFC[m] | 15% or so more efficient just from that. | Dec 05 02:12 |
| DaemonFC[m] | So who cares if Top Tier is more? It may not even be more. | Dec 05 02:12 |
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| DaemonFC[m] | Sometimes I get Shell if it's cheaper with my 5 cent discount than Thorntons is. | Dec 05 02:13 |
| DaemonFC[m] | So sometimes I use Top Tier, sometimes not. Less lately. | Dec 05 02:13 |
| oiaohm | danielp3344: You are racing you normally don't have catalytic converters. Seafoam additive has habit of causing rich that is really not great for the catalytic converters as well as not cleaning as well in 4 stroke designs. Not that I cannot work in 4 stroke engines. Most modern setups not suitable any more. | Dec 05 02:13 |
| DaemonFC[m] | The Citgo gives you 20 cents a gallon off with a car wash. | Dec 05 02:14 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Gotta wash the car once a month. | Dec 05 02:14 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Citgo is top tier. | Dec 05 02:14 |
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| DaemonFC[m] | If you use Top Tier consistently for about 4,000 miles, it will remove about 70% of the deposits. | Dec 05 02:15 |
| DaemonFC[m] | It's just going to take a while because it's a maintenance dose. | Dec 05 02:15 |
| DaemonFC[m] | And the stubborn ones might take more. | Dec 05 02:15 |
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| oiaohm | danielp3344: its just one cleaning out mowers, and other power garden tools and race items with seafoam not bad. No catalytic converter. When you have a catalytic converter what you can and should use changes. | Dec 05 02:19 |
| DaemonFC[m] | If you use about 3 tanks with gumout multi system cleaner, you can get the majority of the deposits. So that's what? 1,200 miles. | Dec 05 02:25 |
| DaemonFC[m] | If you have a serious carbon problem, Gumout will get rid of it much quicker. | Dec 05 02:25 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Then you can either use Top Tier to keep it clean or toss in a can of Gumout every 5,000 or 6,000 miles to mop up what the bargain gas left. | Dec 05 02:27 |
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| DaemonFC[m] | And Daniel Peterson is technically right but I would never risk fouling up a GDI engine in the first place. | Dec 05 02:27 |
| DaemonFC[m] | They just can't deal with the bargain gas like older cars can. In 50,000 miles you'll be left with a bill for walnut blasting your engine. | Dec 05 02:28 |
| danielp3344 | you and I approach this very differently | Dec 05 02:28 |
| danielp3344 | If my engine dies I'm the one pulling and rebuilding :P | Dec 05 02:28 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Well, GDI fouls easily because the fuel sprays directly into the cylinder. | Dec 05 02:29 |
| danielp3344 | I cleaned out my shortblock this week | Dec 05 02:29 |
| danielp3344 | after 200k miles | Dec 05 02:29 |
| danielp3344 | It's not actually that bad | Dec 05 02:29 |
| danielp3344 | But the heads I'm not looking forward to | Dec 05 02:29 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Yeah, the Kia was running badly after a few thousand miles on bargain gas. | Dec 05 02:29 |
| danielp3344 | carbon everywhere | Dec 05 02:29 |
| DaemonFC[m] | It never had a problem with Citgo. Which is basically a great price on Top Tier. | Dec 05 02:30 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Almost as cheap as Thornton's. | Dec 05 02:30 |
| DaemonFC[m] | If you're in a pinch, a tankful won't ruin your engine, but get back on the good stuff ASAP. | Dec 05 02:31 |
| danielp3344 | I solved most of my problems with multiple fuel filters | Dec 05 02:31 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Daniel Peterson FWIW, Thornton's is owned by BP. | Dec 05 02:32 |
| danielp3344 | 100 micron inline before the pump and 10 micron cartridge filter on the rail. | Dec 05 02:32 |
| DaemonFC[m] | I switched to Thornton's from Citgo and never experienced a fuel problem in the Kia. | Dec 05 02:32 |
| DaemonFC[m] | But when I ran it on Murphy, I sure did. | Dec 05 02:32 |
| danielp3344 | This was mainly because my gas tank had sludge that would not go away | Dec 05 02:32 |
| danielp3344 | Even after pressure washing the inside of the tank | Dec 05 02:32 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Numbnuts was getting it back anyway, so I experimented to see whether there's a quality difference with bargain gas companies. | Dec 05 02:32 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Thornton's may actually be Top Tier and just not advertising it. | Dec 05 02:33 |
| DaemonFC[m] | They replied to my email saying that they use at least the EPA detergent level, but that could mean anything. Okay, you follow the law. | Dec 05 02:34 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Bht they wouldn't elaborate. | Dec 05 02:34 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Murphy is bad stuff. | Dec 05 02:34 |
| DaemonFC[m] | The Impala runs fine on Thornton's. | Dec 05 02:34 |
| danielp3344 | I had a weird idea today | Dec 05 02:35 |
| DaemonFC[m] | I would say if you need discount gas, use Thornton's. It's probably BP in disguise. If they told me what level of detergent they used and it was top tier, I could have quoted them and there go those BP marketing dollars. | Dec 05 02:35 |
| danielp3344 | I want to buy two ford sixes, saw the blocks in half and make a v!@ | Dec 05 02:35 |
| danielp3344 | v12* | Dec 05 02:35 |
| danielp3344 | A 9.8L v12 :D | Dec 05 02:36 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Mercedes has a few engines that size. Unfortunately you have to buy them in a Mercedes. | Dec 05 02:36 |
| DaemonFC[m] | MinceR | Dec 05 02:36 |
| DaemonFC[m] | They get about 5 or 6 miles a gallon. | Dec 05 02:42 |
| DaemonFC[m] | It's another one of those lol I'm rich, watch my money go down the toilet with this expensive piece of overengineered German horseshit things. | Dec 05 02:43 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Like the entry level BMW my sister in law spends all of her money on. | Dec 05 02:43 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Except the Mercedes can probably really tear up the road when it is in between repairs. | Dec 05 02:43 |
| danielp3344 | DaemonFC: ford six is already famous for bad MPG | Dec 05 02:44 |
| danielp3344 | It would really just be for my own personal amusement | Dec 05 02:44 |
| danielp3344 | maybe build a drag truck | Dec 05 02:45 |
| danielp3344 | Not sure how I could do the crank though | Dec 05 02:45 |
| danielp3344 | Maybe put ford six heads on a custom block and crank | Dec 05 02:45 |
| danielp3344 | There's something magic about those heads | Dec 05 02:46 |
| DaemonFC[m] | The 3800 V6 isn't the most efficient engine ever. | Dec 05 02:47 |
| DaemonFC[m] | 20 or 21 mpg. 200 hp | Dec 05 02:47 |
| DaemonFC[m] | It's nothing to write home about by modern standards. | Dec 05 02:47 |
| DaemonFC[m] | 2 liter I4 with a turbo can do it while getting 25% higher mileage. | Dec 05 02:47 |
| danielp3344 | DaemonFC: At least it can rev over 4000rpm lol | Dec 05 02:48 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Some of these 4 liter engines are pretty nice these days. | Dec 05 02:48 |
| danielp3344 | DaemonFC: honda K engines :D | Dec 05 02:48 |
| DaemonFC[m] | The 2.3 on the base model Explorer is 280 hp. Not bad. | Dec 05 02:48 |
| danielp3344 | ford is doing pretty OK with engines yeah | Dec 05 02:48 |
| DaemonFC[m] | 30 mpg highway. | Dec 05 02:48 |
| danielp3344 | good turbos | Dec 05 02:49 |
| danielp3344 | good redlines for the most part | Dec 05 02:49 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Turbos need to be on everything anyway. | Dec 05 02:49 |
| danielp3344 | ^^^ | Dec 05 02:49 |
| DaemonFC[m] | And that's been a fact since forever. | Dec 05 02:49 |
| danielp3344 | save all that exhaust power | Dec 05 02:49 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Letting the exhaust do nothing for the engine is just stupid. | Dec 05 02:49 |
| danielp3344 | It makes tuning for power easier too | Dec 05 02:50 |
| danielp3344 | Just crank the wastegate shut | Dec 05 02:50 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Power and gas mileage. | Dec 05 02:50 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Not gonna say no to that. | Dec 05 02:50 |
| danielp3344 | lol | Dec 05 02:50 |
| DaemonFC[m] | The turbo doesn't lead directly to great mileage. In fact, it'll use more. | Dec 05 02:51 |
| danielp3344 | but you can do the same job with a smaller engine | Dec 05 02:51 |
| DaemonFC[m] | But what it does do is let you put in a smaller engine that gets better mileage without people saying this sucks. | Dec 05 02:51 |
| danielp3344 | and run less fuel at low load | Dec 05 02:51 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Yep | Dec 05 02:51 |
| danielp3344 | yeah that lol | Dec 05 02:51 |
| danielp3344 | <DaemonFC[m] "But what it does do is let you p"> The other approach I really like is tiny super high revving engines | Dec 05 02:52 |
| danielp3344 | 90s Japanese cars had good MPG but pretty good power in stick | Dec 05 02:52 |
| danielp3344 | you could really rev those a lot | Dec 05 02:52 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Well, with a turbo the base 3400 V6 Impala wouldn't have been a slug. | Dec 05 02:52 |
| DaemonFC[m] | It could have been the performance model and drop the base to a 3100. | Dec 05 02:53 |
| danielp3344 | DaemonFC: you think your car is a slug, my car had 135hp stock on basically the same v6 | Dec 05 02:53 |
| danielp3344 | and basically the same otherwise | Dec 05 02:53 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Yeah, somehow I got this car and my mom had it so out of tune I was even missing my 95 Taurus. | Dec 05 02:53 |
| danielp3344 | lol | Dec 05 02:54 |
| danielp3344 | DaemonFC: You could install a turbo kit. | Dec 05 02:54 |
| DaemonFC[m] | 40 less horsepower but I never let it turn into a rolling oil leak with bad spark plugs and a carbon problem. | Dec 05 02:54 |
| DaemonFC[m] | It may take more cans of gumout to solve this problem. | Dec 05 02:55 |
| DaemonFC[m] | The mechanic said they do carbon cleaning. | Dec 05 02:55 |
| DaemonFC[m] | But I'm guessing keep hitting it with gumout is cheaper | Dec 05 02:55 |
| danielp3344 | DaemonFC: you could pull the heads and clean them externally | Dec 05 02:55 |
| DaemonFC[m] | I'm living in a hotel and I'm lazy. | Dec 05 02:55 |
| danielp3344 | IC | Dec 05 02:55 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Just keep tossing in gumout until the problem goes away. | Dec 05 02:56 |
| danielp3344 | If you were closer I'd help :P | Dec 05 02:56 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Yeah, it's definitely taking the long way. | Dec 05 02:58 |
| DaemonFC[m] | But Kilmer says 3 tanks worth can clean out a pretty bad problem. | Dec 05 02:58 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Either that or he's whoring himself to the Gumout people. | Dec 05 02:58 |
| DaemonFC[m] | What do you think? | Dec 05 02:59 |
| schestowitz | >> Have you seen | Dec 05 03:08 |
| schestowitz | >> | Dec 05 03:08 |
| schestowitz | >> http://techrights.org/wiki/index.php/Free_Software_Federation | Dec 05 03:08 |
| schestowitz | >> | Dec 05 03:08 |
| schestowitz | >> ? | Dec 05 03:08 |
| schestowitz | >> | Dec 05 03:08 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Free Software Federation - Techrights | Dec 05 03:08 | |
| schestowitz | > | Dec 05 03:08 |
| schestowitz | > Here are some more links you could add there: | Dec 05 03:08 |
| schestowitz | > | Dec 05 03:08 |
| schestowitz | > https://fsfellowship.eu | Dec 05 03:08 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-fsfellowship.eu | Free Software Fellowship | Dec 05 03:08 | |
| schestowitz | > http://ifso.ie/ | Dec 05 03:08 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-ifso.ie | Irish Free Software Organisation (IFSO) - Homepage | Dec 05 03:08 | |
| schestowitz | > https://swisslinux.org/ | Dec 05 03:08 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Swisslinux.org − Le carrefour GNU/Linux en Suisse | Dec 05 03:08 | |
| schestowitz | I will relay this to the maintainer of the page. (see wiki history) | Dec 05 03:08 |
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| scientes | pine doesn't ship to Georgia, so I will have to use a US-based remailer service | Dec 05 06:28 |
| MinceR | lol mercedes | Dec 05 06:37 |
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| MinceR | 05 023400 < DaemonFC[m]> The mechanic said it was leaking transmission fluid in three different places | Dec 05 07:21 |
| MinceR | automatic? | Dec 05 07:21 |
| norayr | scientes: you mean Georgia the country, right? heh, I always use a remailer to Armenia. I got my pinebook like that. | Dec 05 07:33 |
| scientes | yeah, I'm in Batumi | Dec 05 07:33 |
| norayr | yay cool. i always think to come to Batumi in winter, because there will be no people, and walk by the sea. i guess it would be amazing. | Dec 05 07:35 |
| norayr | so hopefully this winter. | Dec 05 07:35 |
| scientes | swimming in the sea is also nice | Dec 05 07:35 |
| scientes | yeah we could eat Kachapuri | Dec 05 07:35 |
| norayr | wow | Dec 05 07:36 |
| norayr | well, khachapuris are good all over the Georgia, right? (: | Dec 05 07:36 |
| norayr | well, i wanted to look in to all IRC chats history before getting out of home, not have to get out! glad to see someone from the vicinity. | Dec 05 07:37 |
| norayr | see you, genatsuale | Dec 05 07:38 |
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| schestowitz | ● NEWS ● #bbc #uk #science #nature ☞ #Climatechange is causing #birds to shrink, study says https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/science-environment-50661448 | Dec 05 11:46 |
| schestowitz | rianna ^^ | Dec 05 11:46 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.bbc.co.uk | Climate change is causing birds to shrink, study says - BBC News | Dec 05 11:46 | |
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| rianne_ | https://www.zdnet.com/article/netflix-bpf-is-a-new-type-of-software-we-use-to-run-linux-apps-securely-in-the-kernel/ | Dec 05 13:39 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Netflix: BPF is a new type of software we use to run Linux apps securely in the kernel | ZDNet | Dec 05 13:39 | |
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| oiaohm | rianne_: Linux plumpers conferce 2019 has a mini conf completely about bpf that is a video that runs over over 3 hours. | Dec 05 13:41 |
| schestowitz | #cbs #tabloid #zdnet is #openwashing #netflix (DRM) right now, misusing the #linux brand http://techrights.org/wiki/index.php/ZDNet | Dec 05 13:42 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | ZDNet - Techrights | Dec 05 13:42 | |
| oiaohm | rianne_: there is still a big ass problem with bpf with realtime. As yet you cannot preempt a bpf program part way into a run. | Dec 05 13:46 |
| oiaohm | schestowitz: just because a party is a massive user of Linux does not mean they are exactly good. | Dec 05 13:49 |
| oiaohm | schestowitz: http://www.brendangregg.com/blog/2019-12-02/bpf-a-new-type-of-software.html but the presentation is a good one for where one person thinks bpf is going. | Dec 05 13:54 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.brendangregg.com | BPF: A New Type of Software | Dec 05 13:54 | |
| oiaohm | Of course Linux world is hurding cats. | Dec 05 13:54 |
| oiaohm | so the direction one person thinks it going and it end up going can be two different things. | Dec 05 13:54 |
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| psydroid | I have noticed another thing over the past week or so. With Amazon and Ampere Computing launching new ARM processors that obviously primarily run GNU/Linux, people have been "suggesting" (in a Borg fashion) to look at AMD's recent Epyc2 processors. | Dec 05 14:46 |
| psydroid | And the more cloud companies start developing their own processors, the less there is a need for off-the-shelf offerings from Intel and AMD, which will decrease demand and possibly increase prices for Windows users. | Dec 05 14:46 |
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| oiaohm | psydroid: its not as straight forwards. Amazon arm platform is still no where near the processing power of a x86. | Dec 05 15:06 |
| scientes | uggh, I want Duolingo stories for Russian from English | Dec 05 15:07 |
| scientes | Duolingo main part is horrible and useless | Dec 05 15:07 |
| scientes | but the stories part is really good | Dec 05 15:07 |
| scientes | helped me so much for spanish | Dec 05 15:07 |
| scientes | along with pimsleur | Dec 05 15:07 |
| scientes | and also the dual language with english podcasts | Dec 05 15:07 |
| scientes | so you can work up your endurance for listening | Dec 05 15:08 |
| oiaohm | psydroid: Microsoft has kind of dug self into hole on arm with exclusive deal with qualcomm. | Dec 05 15:08 |
| scientes | psydroid, do you have any good language learning resources? | Dec 05 15:08 |
| psydroid | oiaohm, of course it isn't but they put it in the market so people could start working with it and see how their software works on it. Graviton 3 and 4 are probably where ARM should have caught up. Also if ARM is "good enough", people may not need the power of x86 | Dec 05 15:08 |
| oiaohm | psydroid: without that deal there would be no reason why windows server could not run on ampere computing platform. | Dec 05 15:08 |
| scientes | after spending just one day in London I understood how Europeans are surrounded with languages | Dec 05 15:08 |
| scientes | totally different from the Americas (which only have 4 languages) | Dec 05 15:09 |
| oiaohm | psydroid: lot of ways Microsoft is shotting self in foot. | Dec 05 15:09 |
| psydroid | scientes, I have lots of books I have collected from all over Europe | Dec 05 15:09 |
| scientes | i'm talking about pre-reading | Dec 05 15:10 |
| psydroid | oiaohm, Microsoft knows it can't target each and every processor out there, so they are supporting Qualcomm processors now and will probably expand to other implementations later on | Dec 05 15:11 |
| psydroid | yes, I have lots of language learning books | Dec 05 15:11 |
| psydroid | I specifically looked for them | Dec 05 15:11 |
| scientes | but that seems so useless to me | Dec 05 15:11 |
| psydroid | but can't you find a lot of them online? | Dec 05 15:11 |
| scientes | I mean I am working through a Spanish-language reader | Dec 05 15:11 |
| scientes | but it takes a long time to get to that level | Dec 05 15:11 |
| scientes | and next I am going to read La Vuelva El Mundo en Ochenta Diás | Dec 05 15:12 |
| psydroid | I understand what you mean | Dec 05 15:12 |
| psydroid | and it's no fun if you can't understand half of what you're reading | Dec 05 15:12 |
| scientes | (Around the World in 80 Days by Jules Verne, originally in French, but I've read the English) | Dec 05 15:12 |
| scientes | yeah, Pimsleurs is great | Dec 05 15:12 |
| scientes | but by the time you get one month into Pimsleurs you need more material to keep up | Dec 05 15:13 |
| scientes | with the Duolingo stories I was going fast enough that the last half of the Pimsleurs was easy | Dec 05 15:13 |
| scientes | and I only had to listen to each recording once | Dec 05 15:13 |
| scientes | but right now I'm stalling out on the Russian, and listening to each recording like 4 times | Dec 05 15:13 |
| scientes | because I don't have enough supplamentary material | Dec 05 15:13 |
| scientes | also, I completely avoid grammar | Dec 05 15:14 |
| psydroid | I have found that my Spanish has improved lately, but I am also doing Duolingo | Dec 05 15:14 |
| scientes | its useless | Dec 05 15:14 |
| scientes | psydroid, but not the main duolingo part | Dec 05 15:14 |
| scientes | that is useless | Dec 05 15:14 |
| scientes | grammar is completely useless | Dec 05 15:14 |
| scientes | the stories are great however | Dec 05 15:14 |
| psydroid | yes, I never learned grammar with Duolingo | Dec 05 15:14 |
| scientes | of course I was in a spanish-speaking country doing this | Dec 05 15:14 |
| scientes | and now I have enough ability I can study it without that | Dec 05 15:15 |
| scientes | once you can read, at least with the way I know how to read English, I can do it all myself now | Dec 05 15:15 |
| scientes | especially as Spanish is phonetic | Dec 05 15:15 |
| psydroid | do you know enough vocabulary in Russian? | Dec 05 15:16 |
| scientes | but I'm really strugging with Russian | Dec 05 15:16 |
| scientes | the Pimsleurs method completely avoids vocabulary | Dec 05 15:16 |
| psydroid | this is my main issue now, so I am just working my way through textbooks | Dec 05 15:16 |
| scientes | thats for later when you are reading | Dec 05 15:16 |
| scientes | but you don't learn languages by "learning" them | Dec 05 15:16 |
| scientes | its a totally dedicated part of the brain that does this stuff | Dec 05 15:16 |
| scientes | if you are trying to learn you are missing the point | Dec 05 15:16 |
| scientes | if you study grammar you are missing the point | Dec 05 15:16 |
| psydroid | oh, but I never considered Pimsleur for anything other getting familiar to the sounds and being able to say basic things | Dec 05 15:16 |
| scientes | 80% of language learning stuff doesn't work at all | Dec 05 15:17 |
| psydroid | and for that it was great | Dec 05 15:17 |
| psydroid | other than* | Dec 05 15:17 |
| scientes | its not a phrase book however | Dec 05 15:17 |
| scientes | Pimsleurs is teaching you the grammer the way your brain learns grammar | Dec 05 15:17 |
| scientes | if you use it right | Dec 05 15:17 |
| scientes | Dr Paul Pimsleur wrote a book about this | Dec 05 15:17 |
| scientes | and by heavily controling the vocabulary you have to learn, Pimsleur's teaches you that grammar MUCH faster | Dec 05 15:18 |
| scientes | than just by listening to native speakers | Dec 05 15:18 |
| scientes | so after you make it through the Pimsleurs ( and duolingo stories really helped me here for more immersion into the grammar) you have a solid foundation upon which to learn the language | Dec 05 15:19 |
| scientes | babies have that foundation before they start speaking | Dec 05 15:20 |
| scientes | they go from a few words to full sentences in only a few months | Dec 05 15:20 |
| scientes | the vocab takes much longer | Dec 05 15:20 |
| scientes | and grammar is only learned by the brain through listening | Dec 05 15:21 |
| psydroid | I haven't read that much about didactics and I did really well in the traditional language learning system, but then again I always watched television and practiced my languages with people when I went on holidays with my parents, as I was the designated spokesperson | Dec 05 15:21 |
| scientes | which is why the grammar of computer languages is so difficult to learn | Dec 05 15:21 |
| scientes | as you can't hear it | Dec 05 15:21 |
| psydroid | I agree about grammar, though | Dec 05 15:21 |
| scientes | so the brain really struggles to learn computer languages | Dec 05 15:21 |
| scientes | thats also way I really agree with the idea that control flow should be English keywords | Dec 05 15:22 |
| scientes | which is what Zig does | Dec 05 15:22 |
| scientes | and also ruby | Dec 05 15:22 |
| XRevan86 | control flow? | Dec 05 15:23 |
| scientes | The Art of Computer Programming also introduces logic with English | Dec 05 15:23 |
| scientes | instead of && and || zig uses "and" and "or" | Dec 05 15:23 |
| oiaohm | psydroid: there is a difference between accepting you cannot support every process out there and signing exclusive deal, | Dec 05 15:23 |
| scientes | because these are not just operators: they also short-circuit | Dec 05 15:23 |
| scientes | a() || b() | Dec 05 15:23 |
| XRevan86 | scientes: Which are quite intuitive to people who spent a day on a boolean logic lecture :) | Dec 05 15:24 |
| oiaohm | psydroid: Microsoft on arm has signed that exclusive deal so even if amazon said they would foot the bill to make their arm processors work with windows server Microsoft could not allow it without being breach of contract. | Dec 05 15:24 |
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| psydroid | oiaohm, I have no problem with them digging their own grave and am fine with the current situation. If they want to compete they will have to support every processor using every architecture out there, because in their world view there can be only one ecosystem based on one operating system | Dec 05 15:24 |
| scientes | oiaohm, that doesn't make any sense | Dec 05 15:25 |
| scientes | aarch64-8.3-A is aarch64-8.3-A | Dec 05 15:25 |
| *XRevan86 doesn't have a preference over whether to use symbols like "&&" or keywords like "and". | Dec 05 15:26 | |
| scientes | and amazon can't make arm processors without support the exact same instruction set, and because of patent laws, paying the fee | Dec 05 15:26 |
| scientes | that is why RISC-V is so revolutionary | Dec 05 15:26 |
| XRevan86 | I guess on a language like Python "&&" would've looked out of place. | Dec 05 15:26 |
| oiaohm | scientes: Its not the aarch64 instruction set is the drivers. | Dec 05 15:26 |
| oiaohm | scientes: and hardware bring up. | Dec 05 15:26 |
| scientes | XRevan86, yeah but its quite different from & | Dec 05 15:26 |
| scientes | oiaohm, drivers?????? | Dec 05 15:27 |
| XRevan86 | scientes: It's still logic. | Dec 05 15:27 |
| scientes | XRevan86, no, they are different circuits | Dec 05 15:27 |
| oiaohm | scientes: items like early power management configuration in arm soc chips. | Dec 05 15:27 |
| XRevan86 | bitwise or on statements | Dec 05 15:27 |
| oiaohm | scientes: you don't have that right arm cpu are not what you call stable. | Dec 05 15:28 |
| scientes | XRevan86, a() && b() and a() & b() are different circuits | Dec 05 15:28 |
| scientes | the second can be done in parallel, the first cannot | Dec 05 15:28 |
| XRevan86 | scientes: Why not call the bitwise AND an "and"? | Dec 05 15:28 |
| scientes | but that is just a mathematical operation | Dec 05 15:28 |
| scientes | which the other is also a dependency circuit | Dec 05 15:28 |
| scientes | i.e. control flow | Dec 05 15:29 |
| oiaohm | scientes: the qualcomm deal with Microsoft is we will make the drivers and the hardware for you and you agree not to work with anyone else to allow them to make other bring up drivers. | Dec 05 15:29 |
| oiaohm | scientes: its a really bad deal. | Dec 05 15:30 |
| scientes | oiaohm, its a big of a deal as Windows is | Dec 05 15:30 |
| XRevan86 | scientes: I wonder what you think about what PHP does here :) | Dec 05 15:30 |
| scientes | **yawn*** | Dec 05 15:30 |
| oiaohm | scientes: so other parties making arm soc chips cannot make their bring up drivers for Windows. | Dec 05 15:30 |
| psydroid | Qualcomm doesn't even have a server processor anymore | Dec 05 15:30 |
| psydroid | so there is nothing for Microsoft to collaborate on | Dec 05 15:31 |
| oiaohm | psydroid: yet the deal still holds. | Dec 05 15:31 |
| XRevan86 | it has both && and "and", but they have radically different operator precedence | Dec 05 15:31 |
| oiaohm | Its a really bad deal. | Dec 05 15:31 |
| psydroid | unless they take processor development in-house, which they've probably already done | Dec 05 15:31 |
| psydroid | I don't understand how that deal affects me | Dec 05 15:31 |
| oiaohm | psydroid: nop Microsoft cannot even go and make their own soc chip under the deal. | Dec 05 15:31 |
| oiaohm | Basically they have shot self in foot. | Dec 05 15:32 |
| oiaohm | Qualcomm was lot tighter on the deal thinking Microsoft came to them after they had had deal failure with apple. | Dec 05 15:32 |
| psydroid | I assume these contracts don't last forever | Dec 05 15:32 |
| scientes | psydroid, Yo todavia estudiar Español todos los diás. | Dec 05 15:34 |
| scientes | estudio | Dec 05 15:34 |
| scientes | damn | Dec 05 15:34 |
| scientes | psydroid, it doesn't really matter | Dec 05 15:34 |
| scientes | they will never have drivers | Dec 05 15:35 |
| psydroid | oiaohm, Microsoft can't even create its own RISC-V processor? how stupid of a deal can that be? | Dec 05 15:35 |
| scientes | and Windows will continue to suck ass | Dec 05 15:35 |
| psydroid | yes | Dec 05 15:35 |
| scientes | they could also just use the Linux drivers | Dec 05 15:35 |
| scientes | but Microsoft doesn't want to do that | Dec 05 15:35 |
| scientes | because of the "virality" of the GPL-2 | Dec 05 15:35 |
| oiaohm | psydroid: it is that stupid that they cannot create their own risc-v processor as the deal say qualcomm is in charge of silicon design. | Dec 05 15:35 |
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| oiaohm | psydroid: and there is no exact time out on the contract. Only that they break it no more chips at all and they cannot have prepred a replacement. | Dec 05 15:36 |
| scientes | oiaohm, they are nostolgic of the WinTel days | Dec 05 15:36 |
| psydroid | I think we are talking about a company that knows it is a has-been, but can't just die without making a mess before giving up | Dec 05 15:36 |
| oiaohm | This is a deal Microsoft did to attempt deperately to keep windows mobile alive. | Dec 05 15:37 |
| oiaohm | So qualcomm knew they had Microsoft over a barrel and well and truly went for it. | Dec 05 15:37 |
| scientes | oiaohm, **yawn** | Dec 05 15:37 |
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| psydroid | scientes, lo entiendo, yo tento aprender algo cada semana y avanzar poco a poco | Dec 05 15:40 |
| oiaohm | Microsoft forgot one of the most important rules of business. Never send good money after bad. And absolutely don't attempt to do a contract while desperate. | Dec 05 15:40 |
| oiaohm | Of course damage of that mistake is on going. | Dec 05 15:40 |
| psydroid | so it was Microsoft who was desperate and not Qualcomm? | Dec 05 15:41 |
| psydroid | and what has all of this paranoia brought them? zilch? nada? | Dec 05 15:41 |
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| oiaohm | Yep with the windows mobile phone production deal. As qualcomm could have gone pure android at the time and noticed no harm to bottom line. | Dec 05 15:41 |
| scientes | poco a poco, exactamente | Dec 05 15:42 |
| oiaohm | Really Microsoft should have cut their losses on Windows mobile phones at that time instead of signing contract. | Dec 05 15:42 |
| oiaohm | When they had a decent Mobile product then went back to the soc vendors. | Dec 05 15:43 |
| oiaohm | Or had the balls to design in house. | Dec 05 15:43 |
| psydroid | as far as I can see Qualcomm has gone full Android, because almost no one bought those Windows phones | Dec 05 15:43 |
| scientes | DUH | Dec 05 15:43 |
| psydroid | in all of my life I have seen exactly 1 Windows phone, owned by my colleague | Dec 05 15:44 |
| oiaohm | Qualcomm under the deal had no requirement to sell Windows phones either. | Dec 05 15:44 |
| oiaohm | Only produce them if they got orders from OEMs. | Dec 05 15:44 |
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| oiaohm | who wanted windows mobile phones. | Dec 05 15:44 |
| scientes | psydroid, to be fair, much of Qualcomm's business is noMMU basebands and other chips that don't run Linux | Dec 05 15:44 |
| scientes | and run Qualcomms special sauce software | Dec 05 15:44 |
| scientes | Qualcomm had patents essential for implementing CDMA IIRC | Dec 05 15:45 |
| oiaohm | psydroid: basically it was a pure no lose deal for Qualcomm with Microsoft giving up a hell of a lot for it. | Dec 05 15:45 |
| scientes | oiaohm, the end of a bunch of a little is a hell of a lot of nothing | Dec 05 15:46 |
| scientes | its like knowing everything about nothing | Dec 05 15:46 |
| oiaohm | scientes: hell of a lot of restriction on Microsoft going forwards. | Dec 05 15:46 |
| scientes | oiaohm, Bill Gates wrote "The Way Forward" in the 90s when he had all the power | Dec 05 15:47 |
| scientes | and like Google's fancy books it had no bearing on reality or what actually happened | Dec 05 15:47 |
| oiaohm | https://www.microsoft.com/en-us/surface/business/surface-pro-x/processor Its like Microsoft so call customed processor here. Its a processor Microsoft had to pay quacomm to design for them. | Dec 05 15:47 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-The Microsoft® SQ1™ processor in Surface Pro X | Surface for Business | Dec 05 15:48 | |
| MinceR | lol | Dec 05 15:48 |
| oiaohm | Basically Microsoft is so far over the barrel its not funny. | Dec 05 15:48 |
| scientes | oiaohm, **yawn*** | Dec 05 15:48 |
| MinceR | is that like crApple's ARM SoCs? | Dec 05 15:48 |
| scientes | MinceR, except that Apple was developing arm64 inhouse | Dec 05 15:49 |
| scientes | such as the arm64 llvm backend | Dec 05 15:49 |
| oiaohm | MinceR: crApple arm SoC.. Apple in fact has the rights to the silicon design and can take to any foundary they like. | Dec 05 15:49 |
| scientes | (which is different from the arm32 llvm backend) | Dec 05 15:49 |
| psydroid | it's just a rebranded Qualcomm Snapdragon 8cx | Dec 05 15:49 |
| oiaohm | MinceR: Microsoft one its Qualcomm choice of foundary to produce the chip and price how much the chips will cost..... | Dec 05 15:50 |
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| oiaohm | Apple is not totally screwed they get to screw everyone else attempting to repair their hardware by keeping sections of the silicon design secret. | Dec 05 15:50 |
| MinceR | they managed to screw their customers by making them believe that their products have functionality | Dec 05 15:51 |
| scientes | MinceR, that is Apple's business model | Dec 05 15:51 |
| oiaohm | The means to produce devices and have competition in supply of who makes those devices apple has. | Dec 05 15:52 |
| psydroid | I don't mind Apple, you can choose to buy into their ecosystem or not | Dec 05 15:52 |
| psydroid | and if you are not in their ecosystem, the company might as well not exist | Dec 05 15:52 |
| scientes | psydroid, that is the most common justification of capitalism | Dec 05 15:52 |
| oiaohm | If apple could come up with decent products with decent support they could be competitive. | Dec 05 15:52 |
| scientes | and it is a lie | Dec 05 15:52 |
| scientes | they do everything they can to lock people in | Dec 05 15:52 |
| scientes | like with Adobe-Apple appiance | Dec 05 15:52 |
| scientes | *alliance | Dec 05 15:52 |
| oiaohm | Microsoft with the qualcomm contract is just going to be constantly gouged by qualcomm. | Dec 05 15:52 |
| oiaohm | So making a entry level product to increase market share Microsoft is not going to be able todo that. | Dec 05 15:53 |
| MinceR | psydroid: except they've managed to make the idea of closed platforms and crippled devices popular | Dec 05 15:53 |
| scientes | thankfully no-one gives a shit about Flash anymore | Dec 05 15:53 |
| MinceR | they've also made MPEG LA's patent traps publicly accepted | Dec 05 15:53 |
| scientes | that shit sure died slowly | Dec 05 15:54 |
| MinceR | and yes, they've had a hand in turning HTML5 into flash 2 by forcing patent-encumbered patents and DRM into it | Dec 05 15:54 |
| MinceR | s/patents/codecs/ | Dec 05 15:54 |
| psydroid | MinceR, two of my nieces have Apple devices, they learned not to buy those anymore after they got locked out of them | Dec 05 15:54 |
| scientes | well yeah the html5 drm is sad | Dec 05 15:54 |
| scientes | google is to blame for that | Dec 05 15:54 |
| MinceR | some of the damage is already done | Dec 05 15:54 |
| MinceR | not only google | Dec 05 15:54 |
| MinceR | also apple, adobe, netflix and mozilla | Dec 05 15:55 |
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| oiaohm | scientes: yes and no . Html 5 drm is sad. But without html 5 drm we would still have silverlight and flash plugins alive and well. | Dec 05 15:55 |
| MinceR | they wouldn't use Silver Lie and Trash for _everything_ | Dec 05 15:56 |
| scientes | oiaohm, not really | Dec 05 15:56 |
| MinceR | with HTML5 DRM all the content can be DRM-ed, including the text | Dec 05 15:56 |
| MinceR | and they have a claim for it being "standard" web | Dec 05 15:56 |
| oiaohm | MinceR: there were journal sites DRM crap behind flash. | Dec 05 15:56 |
| MinceR | not many of them | Dec 05 15:57 |
| scientes | with turing complete js and <canvas> you can do anything | Dec 05 15:57 |
| scientes | you don't need DRM features | Dec 05 15:57 |
| oiaohm | Most to all of the site using html 5 drm were using silverlight or flash drm before the standard. | Dec 05 15:58 |
| oiaohm | It moved the problem. | Dec 05 15:58 |
| scientes | oiaohm, let them keep using it | Dec 05 15:58 |
| MinceR | they should have been forced to keep enduring the pain of Silver Lie and Trash | Dec 05 15:59 |
| oiaohm | browser makers were wanting to be able sandbox the plugins. | Dec 05 15:59 |
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| oiaohm | I can understand the choice at the time it has worked to get rid of one problem. | Dec 05 16:00 |
| oiaohm | But its left the drm problem. | Dec 05 16:00 |
| MinceR | it let DRM pushers have their way in everything | Dec 05 16:00 |
| oiaohm | MinceR: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Encrypted_Media_Extensions In fact no the html 5 standard go the DRM pushers to agree to allow their DRM system to be sandboxed so possible feed false information. | Dec 05 16:03 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-en.wikipedia.org | Encrypted Media Extensions - Wikipedia | Dec 05 16:04 | |
| oiaohm | So not everything went exactly their way. | Dec 05 16:04 |
| oiaohm | I wish less had gone their way. | Dec 05 16:04 |
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| psydroid | so if Apple is actually dangerous to computing freedom, what can be done to reduce or eliminate the harm the company can do? | Dec 05 16:07 |
| psydroid | I know I will never buy an Apple device for the rest of my life | Dec 05 16:08 |
| psydroid | but I don't know how to convince other people to do the same thing | Dec 05 16:08 |
| MinceR | at this point, most likely open hardware is necessary | Dec 05 16:08 |
| MinceR | manufacturers have already forsaken the professionals and their needs | Dec 05 16:09 |
| MinceR | it's a miracle computers can still be used to do actual work | Dec 05 16:09 |
| MinceR | and it won't last | Dec 05 16:09 |
| MinceR | apple diverted the industry towards producing fashion accessories for simpletons | Dec 05 16:10 |
| MinceR | also, our CPUs are studded with hardware backdoors | Dec 05 16:10 |
| psydroid | was that already the case in the late 2000s? | Dec 05 16:13 |
| oiaohm | Apple hardware is very much the disposable computer. | Dec 05 16:13 |
| psydroid | I have some AMD CPUs from the late BIOS era | Dec 05 16:13 |
| oiaohm | I still remember being in a apple shop doing a computer upgrade in 1994. | Dec 05 16:13 |
| oiaohm | It was like throw away 90 percent of the computer back then. | Dec 05 16:14 |
| MinceR | apple hardware is not really even a computer | Dec 05 16:14 |
| MinceR | it's a toy | Dec 05 16:14 |
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| psydroid | this laptop and another one are the only recent ones with Skylake and Kaby Lake CPUs | Dec 05 16:14 |
| oiaohm | Apple has really moved to throw away 100 percent. | Dec 05 16:14 |
| MinceR | at some point they even started using Restricted Boot to ban competing OS-es from booting | Dec 05 16:14 |
| MinceR | yeah, you can throw it away right as it comes out of the factory | Dec 05 16:14 |
| MinceR | because it's useless | Dec 05 16:14 |
| oiaohm | psydroid: not really most laptops are not stupid enough to solider your ssd straight on your motherboard. | Dec 05 16:14 |
| psydroid | with or without that T2 chip? | Dec 05 16:15 |
| oiaohm | Apple does that. | Dec 05 16:15 |
| MinceR | they can't even design a workable antenna on a mobile phone | Dec 05 16:15 |
| MinceR | with that chip, iirc | Dec 05 16:15 |
| oiaohm | Apple also get suppliers of chips to agree to make apple only designs that they will sell to no one else. | Dec 05 16:15 |
| oiaohm | Even if it as stupid as mirror image all the chip pins. | Dec 05 16:15 |
| MinceR | will the apple logo on the lid light up if the ssd is busted? if so, they're free to solder the ssd on :> | Dec 05 16:16 |
| MinceR | lol | Dec 05 16:16 |
| psydroid | I have some Apple computers, the logo is awesome | Dec 05 16:17 |
| psydroid | but eventually I will probably replace all the internals with free hardware | Dec 05 16:17 |
| oiaohm | ssd controller chip is linked to t2 and other chips so it not powering up with being able to provide the right validation. | Dec 05 16:17 |
| oiaohm | with apple. | Dec 05 16:17 |
| psydroid | (they're PowerPC machines) | Dec 05 16:17 |
| oiaohm | Lets say they have designed laptops that brick extremally well. | Dec 05 16:17 |
| MinceR | i think the logo is tasteless | Dec 05 16:17 |
| psydroid | haha | Dec 05 16:18 |
| psydroid | yeah, that was also sarcasm from my side | Dec 05 16:18 |
| oiaohm | To be correct the apple logo if you thiink about it is kind of perfect. | Dec 05 16:18 |
| oiaohm | Apple with a bite taken out of it will rot and come useless quicky | Dec 05 16:18 |
| oiaohm | and this is exactly what apple products do. | Dec 05 16:18 |
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| psydroid | hasn't their luck run out by now? are people still buying iDevices en masse? | Dec 05 16:19 |
| MinceR | apparently so | Dec 05 16:20 |
| oiaohm | https://www.zdnet.com/article/macbook-keyboard-problems-now-apple-fails-to-halt-class-action-over-flawed-design/ << Apple users are not stopping buying the products. But they have started sueing apple instead. | Dec 05 16:24 |
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| oiaohm | Dumb vs dumb | Dec 05 16:25 |
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| psydroid | what about not buying those in the first place? | Dec 05 16:26 |
| psydroid | maybe this is just humanity always catering to the lowest common denominator | Dec 05 16:27 |
| MinceR | this is humanity acting against its own interests | Dec 05 16:27 |
| MinceR | as usual | Dec 05 16:27 |
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| oiaohm | psydroid: the dumb bit it should not be a class action. It should be basic consumer law. "fit for purpose" test a laptop with a quickly failing keyboard fails. Something that has a major failure the maker of device cannot fix properly under consumer law is straight you give product back and supplier gives money back. | Dec 05 16:56 |
| oiaohm | psydroid: I am not saying don't buy the device but it is made badly don't be past returning it and demarding you money back. | Dec 05 16:57 |
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| oiaohm | psydroid: then after you got the money back then think about suing for false advertisement of product ..... | Dec 05 17:00 |
| oiaohm | Basically this is not something that should be a class action. | Dec 05 17:00 |
| oiaohm | Most people are not aware of their consumer rights and even less use them. | Dec 05 17:01 |
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| psydroid | oiaohm, what MinceR said is also true, all of modern computing is going down the rabbit hole where quality is approaching zero and people have no expectations, they've just become fashion accessories | Dec 05 17:04 |
| psydroid | the people who are not interested in that are becoming the minority | Dec 05 17:05 |
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| oiaohm | Consumer law requirement on quality is still there. | Dec 05 17:06 |
| oiaohm | psydroid: you think about in how many people at school learn about consumer law and the quality they should expect. | Dec 05 17:06 |
| psydroid | but if none of the companies obey those laws or only reluctantly? | Dec 05 17:07 |
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| oiaohm | Companies obey the law reluctantly they will say stack of stuff like no refunds and the like that is not legal consumer law. | Dec 05 17:08 |
| oiaohm | Why they obey the law in the end is if they are found breaking consumer law its like breaking food safety law they can be totally forbid from trading. | Dec 05 17:09 |
| oiaohm | psydroid: most people don't get is a privilege to be allowed to sell stuff not a right. | Dec 05 17:10 |
| oiaohm | consumer law its unlikely you will have to go to court. You just need to know the consumer law that applies. It would be a total idiot business who would push it to court and get forbid from trading. | Dec 05 17:11 |
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| oiaohm | Forbid from trading you cannot like having your store closed that way and then sell your inventory off on ebay. Basically you end up if forbid from trading having to give away your remaining stock to some charity for free. | Dec 05 17:13 |
| oiaohm | Consumer law is nasty. | Dec 05 17:14 |
| oiaohm | to those who break it with anything more than some stuborn lies against people who don't know the law. | Dec 05 17:14 |
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| psydroid | so maybe we should be investigating consumer law on a larger scale and see if the computer industry is different in some way to what is considered acceptable in other industries | Dec 05 17:19 |
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| DaemonFC[m] | Those people selling crap from China always pay you to delete your bad review when it breaks or you find out it was fake. | Dec 05 17:37 |
| DaemonFC[m] | That way they can have only good reviews even though they're selling fake junk. | Dec 05 17:37 |
| DaemonFC[m] | I bought a phone battery from them and someone literally copied the LG sticker and got the font completely wrong. | Dec 05 17:38 |
| DaemonFC[m] | I put it in my phone and charged it and thr piece of shit randomly killed out on me. | Dec 05 17:39 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Scotty Kilmer was complaining about cheap Chinese car tires on his wife's Toyota and said they were leaking air all the time. | Dec 05 17:39 |
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| DaemonFC[m] | I have Chinese tires on the Impala right now and they have no trouble with holding air. | Dec 05 17:40 |
| DaemonFC[m] | I had way more trouble with Goodyear tires made in America not holding air. | Dec 05 17:40 |
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| DaemonFC[m] | oiaohm They like to say you get better tires at a higher price and to some extent it's true. | Dec 05 17:51 |
| DaemonFC[m] | But I drive old cars and I rotated a cheap pair that lasted me more than 8 years and still had 65% on them when I sold the car. | Dec 05 17:52 |
| DaemonFC[m] | So why buy expensive tires? | Dec 05 17:52 |
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| MinceR | DaemonFC[m]: tires also age and need to be replaced eventually anyway, otherwise they become dangerous | Dec 05 18:59 |
| MinceR | on my previous car, i replaced the tires not because they were worn (they weren't), but because they were old | Dec 05 19:00 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Yeah, mom didn't understand why I replaced the back tires. | Dec 05 19:00 |
| DaemonFC[m] | I said because they sold her old ones that were discontinued and made 3 years before she bought them and now they were 7 years old. | Dec 05 19:01 |
| DaemonFC[m] | She's like so what. | Dec 05 19:01 |
| DaemonFC[m] | So I said they were aging and one of them had a giant crack in the sidewall and I didn't feel like having my rear tires blow out. | Dec 05 19:02 |
| DaemonFC[m] | She doesn't rotate her tires and then she has Walmart stick the cheapest thing they've had laying in the back since the Clinton administration. | Dec 05 19:03 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Then she wonders why she has flats all the time and says she's glad she paid extra for the tire plan that actually costs her tban a new tire. | Dec 05 19:04 |
| DaemonFC[m] | MinceR I was in the car with her one day when I was a kid. | Dec 05 19:04 |
| DaemonFC[m] | She spaced out and ran over a curb at 20 miles an hour and then argued with the guy for trying to do an alignment on the front end. | Dec 05 19:05 |
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| DaemonFC[m] | Just accept that if she gives you a free car you'll spend at least 4 grand making it run right and that's why she was finished with it. | Dec 05 19:06 |
| DaemonFC[m] | MinceR Basically, all the repair bills put together equal what an Impala in generally okay shape would have cost me. | Dec 05 19:06 |
| DaemonFC[m] | And the only difference is since she has the title, she can insure it for five bucks a month and the bankruptcy court won't be able to take it to pay my creditors. | Dec 05 19:07 |
| DaemonFC[m] | There was no fluid it was not leaking when this began. | Dec 05 19:08 |
| DaemonFC[m] | The tires were fucked. | Dec 05 19:08 |
| DaemonFC[m] | She lost a brake line trying to leave town with it and I had to stall the finance company so I could keep driving the car they were trying to repossess for another week. | Dec 05 19:09 |
| DaemonFC[m] | On, and on, and on. | Dec 05 19:09 |
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| MinceR | :) | Dec 05 19:18 |
| DaemonFC[m] | MinceR: It's really dumb to finance a car, period. | Dec 05 19:30 |
| DaemonFC[m] | But you're never done paying for it. | Dec 05 19:30 |
| DaemonFC[m] | The only factors that are somewhat in your control are what your insurance premiums will look like. You can get the same coverage at shockingly different prices and if you don't shop around, you'll get screwed over by someone. | Dec 05 19:30 |
| DaemonFC[m] | She always manages to pick the worst insurance company ever and then after she pays them the standard arm, leg, eye, kidney, and testicle price for years and years, they don't even stand behind the policy when she has a claim. | Dec 05 19:31 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Then she beats the fuck out of her cars and skips all of the maintenance unless a mechanic happens to suggest it along the way. I mean, basic stuff that's in every owner's manual. | Dec 05 19:32 |
| DaemonFC[m] | So, there's that. | Dec 05 19:32 |
| DaemonFC[m] | So the repair bills are high, even for the unreliable brand (Chevy) she buys to begin with. | Dec 05 19:32 |
| MinceR | https://vid.pr0gramm.com/2019/12/05/055b3d449d62f58d.mp4 | Dec 05 19:32 |
| DaemonFC[m] | MinceR: I reviewed an insurance agent where I used to live. | Dec 05 19:43 |
| oiaohm | Hmm Greg KH is talking about next year working on USB drivers for linux done in BPF. | Dec 05 19:43 |
| DaemonFC[m] | I called him crooked and said he dodges your phone calls and plays dumb if you ever have a claim after charging "an arm, leg, eye, kidney, and testicle", which is why I ditched him years ago. | Dec 05 19:43 |
| MinceR | so next year we can expect the USB stack in Linux to stop working? | Dec 05 19:43 |
| *MinceR takes notes | Dec 05 19:43 | |
| DaemonFC[m] | No matter how bad Firefox gets, you can always count on Chrome to use four times as much memory, crash more, crash and keep running after it bails out, and spy on you. | Dec 05 19:44 |
| *psydroid recently found out Greg KH lives here so is offering to take him out before he takes working USB support out of Linux | Dec 05 19:45 | |
| DaemonFC[m] | That being said, I have no trouble believing Google that there are bugs in Webkit that can allow a remote takeover and rootkitting of your iPhone, having examined Webkit. | Dec 05 19:46 |
| MinceR | psydroid: nice | Dec 05 19:47 |
| DaemonFC[m] | The only reason I care at all is because Geary uses Webkit to render HTML in my email. | Dec 05 19:48 |
| DaemonFC[m] | I guess I could go back to Sylpheed. | Dec 05 19:48 |
| DaemonFC[m] | PornHub has Black Friday deals? | Dec 05 19:50 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Well, first off that was last week. | Dec 05 19:50 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Secondly, who pays hundreds of dollars to an internet porn site? | Dec 05 19:50 |
| DaemonFC[m] | I heard it takes in billions and has an economy the size of a small country, but I figured it was mostly ads. | Dec 05 19:51 |
| DaemonFC[m] | MinceR: I heard the UK bitching that DNS over HTTPS was going to interfere with their censorship regime convinced Mozilla to disable it over there and hide it in advanced preferences that most people will never see. | Dec 05 19:52 |
| DaemonFC[m] | This is actually even worse than Tumblr making itself irrelevant to comply with crApple's censorship so they wouldn't get the boot from the App Store. | Dec 05 19:52 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Apple can only go up and threaten people who are in their App Store, but a nation state corrupting Mozilla is much more concerning. | Dec 05 19:53 |
| MinceR | mozilla bends over backwards for anyone who has lots of money | Dec 05 19:53 |
| MinceR | for all their posturing as the champions of the free web, they just let everything happen | Dec 05 19:54 |
| DaemonFC[m] | PornHub has an Andoid app you can sideload. | Dec 05 19:54 |
| DaemonFC[m] | But it's HTML 5, so it works in any browser, including Safari. | Dec 05 19:55 |
| DaemonFC[m] | I suppose that in the UK if you type in pornhub it'll give you a fake 404 not found from your ISP. | Dec 05 19:55 |
| DaemonFC[m] | And they were livid that Mozilla was going to fix that. | Dec 05 19:55 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Probably threatened to add Mozilla to "the list". | Dec 05 19:55 |
| DaemonFC[m] | So much for "free country". Conservatives here have actually formed an odd alliance with radical feminists to try to censor porn from the internet. | Dec 05 19:56 |
| DaemonFC[m] | But they keep losing in court. | Dec 05 19:56 |
| DaemonFC[m] | The odd part of the feminist claim that porn is harmful to women ignores the fact that most male porn actors say it's not pleasant shooting a porn scene because you're not just going in there and fucking someone and having fun. | Dec 05 19:57 |
| DaemonFC[m] | It's odd angles, hours on end. It's a job that pays very little, is not fun, and demeans men. | Dec 05 19:57 |
| DaemonFC[m] | In fact, it pays so little that straight men end up doing gay stuff for more money. | Dec 05 19:57 |
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| DaemonFC[m] | So if anything it's a lot more harmful to men, but nobody wants to hear men complaining about anything, so it's ignored. | Dec 05 19:58 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Nobody worries what men are going through. The only reason suicide is getting any press these days is because it's up to nearly Japan levels. It's double under Trump what it was in the 90s. And the gap between women and men is closing. | Dec 05 20:01 |
| MinceR | finally, equality in something :> | Dec 05 20:02 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Women are always bitching over something. | Dec 05 20:08 |
| DaemonFC[m] | "Did you know that women only make 78 cents on every MAN DOLLAR!?". | Dec 05 20:08 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Me: "Well, it must not be so bad or there would be more than 0.62 women throwing themselves in front of a train for every man doing it.". | Dec 05 20:09 |
| DaemonFC[m] | I don't know. It seemed so obvious. | Dec 05 20:09 |
| MinceR | they're not demanding quotas on heavy manual labor jobs, somehow | Dec 05 20:10 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Which, actually pay less. | Dec 05 20:11 |
| DaemonFC[m] | The more you actually work, the less you actually get paid. | Dec 05 20:11 |
| XRevan86 | DaemonFC[m]: Men and women psychologically measure their social success differently. | Dec 05 20:12 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Consider this. People putting cars together for Volkswagen in Tennessee make $18 an hour, but my ex who sits on his ass all day and throws shampoo in the trash at the airport makes $24. | Dec 05 20:12 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Sometimes I think the government does this kind of crap just to fuck with us. | Dec 05 20:12 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Beyond throwing out the shampoo, of course. | Dec 05 20:13 |
| XRevan86 | DaemonFC[m]: So saying that there's a correlation between salaries and suicide rate when comparing sexes, that just doesn't make much sense. | Dec 05 20:13 |
| MinceR | XRevan86: seems all this "wage gap" nonsense proves that at least some do measure their social success in the same way :> | Dec 05 20:15 |
| XRevan86 | Not to say anything about individual women, but at large it all sums up like that. | Dec 05 20:15 |
| XRevan86 | MinceR: Eh, it's more about equal footing than being successful as a person. | Dec 05 20:16 |
| MinceR | in that case, equal footing also seems to imply equal tendency to suicide | Dec 05 20:18 |
| MinceR | and we're getting there! | Dec 05 20:18 |
| MinceR | also, if women's labor was really cheaper for its price, you'd see businesses scrambling to employ as many women as possible | Dec 05 20:18 |
| MinceR | since then they'd get the labor they want/need for less | Dec 05 20:18 |
| DaemonFC[m] | MinceR: Yeah, "I have more money than you. I have a car that falls apart as I laugh about it and I literally throw more money away on getting someone else's tap water delivered by truck than helping family.". Seen it. | Dec 05 20:20 |
| DaemonFC[m] | "By the way, are you even in a real marriage?" | Dec 05 20:20 |
| MinceR | lol | Dec 05 20:21 |
| scientes | am I the only person that finds millenials super annoying | Dec 05 20:21 |
| scientes | they are obnoxious | Dec 05 20:21 |
| DaemonFC[m] | "Look at me. I just paid $400 a tire on something that makes my German car shockingly worse, as I crack rims driving over Illinois roads." | Dec 05 20:21 |
| scientes | maybe it is just that I only meet the ones with money | Dec 05 20:21 |
| scientes | and few millenials have any money | Dec 05 20:21 |
| scientes | or maybe that I just need to learn to tell them to fuck off | Dec 05 20:22 |
| scientes | how do i tell an annoying millenial to fuck off? | Dec 05 20:22 |
| scientes | I they need to get punched in the face for puting video cameras in people's faces without asking | Dec 05 20:22 |
| scientes | and asking people to act like circus clowns | Dec 05 20:22 |
| scientes | for their entertainment | Dec 05 20:22 |
| scientes | they have turned life into a circus | Dec 05 20:22 |
| scientes | I am not the only person that has complained about this | Dec 05 20:24 |
| *XRevan86 has absolutely no idea. | Dec 05 20:24 | |
| scientes | the millenials idea that it is normal to film their own shit | Dec 05 20:24 |
| scientes | and put it on YouTube | Dec 05 20:24 |
| XRevan86 | Did the US turn into the hipsterland? :) | Dec 05 20:25 |
| scientes | this arrogance that someone else is interested | Dec 05 20:25 |
| scientes | no, I'm in Georgia | Dec 05 20:25 |
| DaemonFC[m] | The same way you tell anyone to fuck off these days. "Hey, you stupid piece of shit. Hey fuckface. Try reading a book. Nobody thinks your $400 mud jeans from the mall are ironic." | Dec 05 20:25 |
| scientes | and complaining about abnoxious Turkish tourists | Dec 05 20:25 |
| scientes | they like to get drunk here too | Dec 05 20:25 |
| XRevan86 | scientes: Oh, it's just that these generational groups aren't wired for any place outside of the US. | Dec 05 20:26 |
| MinceR | i don't think i've met a person acting like that here | Dec 05 20:26 |
| scientes | XRevan86, yes, that too | Dec 05 20:26 |
| scientes | he walks around with this camera whose mount makes it look like a gun | Dec 05 20:26 |
| scientes | and points it at people | Dec 05 20:26 |
| DaemonFC[m] | XRevan86 Shitcago did. They think it's funnier than hell to live in a high crime cesspit where a basic apartment costs $2,000 while people are shooting each other every second. | Dec 05 20:27 |
| scientes | I just don't see why they don't get that life is really boring | Dec 05 20:27 |
| scientes | and that no-one really cares about his life | Dec 05 20:27 |
| XRevan86 | DaemonFC[m]: Did what? | Dec 05 20:27 |
| DaemonFC[m] | They think Indiana is bad because you can get a $400 apartment and can take a walk at 3 AM if you want and the only thing you get is fresh air and the sound of crickets. | Dec 05 20:27 |
| scientes | Life when I was in the US I laughed at Portlandia | Dec 05 20:28 |
| scientes | but Portlandia is a lie | Dec 05 20:28 |
| scientes | (and the creators know it) | Dec 05 20:28 |
| DaemonFC[m] | They think we're rubes. | Dec 05 20:28 |
| scientes | its only funny if you buy into the stupid | Dec 05 20:28 |
| scientes | that anyone cares at all | Dec 05 20:28 |
| scientes | this attitude is actually very old in the US | Dec 05 20:29 |
| scientes | its based on the fear of not being "normal" | Dec 05 20:29 |
| XRevan86 | scientes: The world got a lot bigger, and relatively we all got smaller. I guess a lot of young persons have a problem with self-worth. | Dec 05 20:29 |
| scientes | which is a horrible perversion | Dec 05 20:29 |
| XRevan86 | "pay attention to me, show me that I exist" | Dec 05 20:30 |
| DaemonFC[m] | The problem is that a lot of people act fake rich and it's why they're broke no matter how much money they make. | Dec 05 20:30 |
| scientes | XRevan86, yes, but they need to understand that the very feeling of woring about their self-worth means their life is so good that they have time for such bullshit | Dec 05 20:30 |
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| scientes | thats the arrogance which is why people hate "liberals" so much | Dec 05 20:31 |
| XRevan86 | scientes: Humans are funny little buggers, they compare their success to their peers, not to some absolute | Dec 05 20:31 |
| scientes | that is true | Dec 05 20:31 |
| scientes | I am different | Dec 05 20:31 |
| scientes | just like you talked about control and I'm like "control is boring to me" | Dec 05 20:32 |
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| DaemonFC[m] | Well, that and once you've been around them, you realize that they're mostly high tax Republicans plus abortion. | Dec 05 20:32 |
| scientes | that certain things are only fun if you like controlling other people | Dec 05 20:32 |
| scientes | <XRevan86> scientes: Humans are funny little buggers, they compare their success to their peers, not to some absolute | Dec 05 20:32 |
| scientes | this is a perversion of "success" that has its origins in trying to control other people | Dec 05 20:32 |
| XRevan86 | scientes: I probably talked about control over one's life. | Dec 05 20:33 |
| scientes | so such "humans" are perverts | Dec 05 20:33 |
| scientes | I'm paraphrasing, and its loses in paraphrase | Dec 05 20:33 |
| scientes | loses its meaning | Dec 05 20:33 |
| DaemonFC[m] | I'd like to interject for a moment. What you call the "Democratic Party" is just Republicans with high taxes and abortion. Or Republican/High Tax/Abortion as I have taken to calling it. When you refer to them as the Democratic Party, you overlook the fact that many of them are just as bad as Republicans, and even worse. | Dec 05 20:33 |
| scientes | DaemonFC[m], i am using liberal in a VERY broad sense | Dec 05 20:34 |
| XRevan86 | scientes: It's more about being a useful contributor to one's community, with success being a reward for good work. | Dec 05 20:34 |
| scientes | but if you want to know what that word means you have to read Adam Smith, and John Stewart Mill | Dec 05 20:34 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Yes, there are "liberals", in America, but that's what you call Centrist Canadian politics. | Dec 05 20:34 |
| scientes | and those liberals are not even socialists | Dec 05 20:34 |
| MinceR | lol @ interjection | Dec 05 20:34 |
| XRevan86 | Such terms kinda worned off for me | Dec 05 20:35 |
| scientes | and "socialist" is another one of those words that means many things | Dec 05 20:35 |
| scientes | <XRevan86> scientes: It's more about being a useful contributor to one's community, with success being a reward for good work. | Dec 05 20:35 |
| scientes | oh yes, you are right | Dec 05 20:35 |
| scientes | and this very basic monkey sense of "fairness" | Dec 05 20:36 |
| scientes | its more about fairness than anything else | Dec 05 20:36 |
| scientes | getting jealous of ones neighbors | Dec 05 20:36 |
| XRevan86 | scientes: It's a very basic motivator, not to be a leech on others. | Dec 05 20:36 |
| psydroid | I understand what scientes is saying, some people just want to have control over others even if they don't know anything and are not even 1/100th the person they could be if they wanted | Dec 05 20:36 |
| scientes | that too, and 5 year olds have that, when they insist on doing things themselves | Dec 05 20:36 |
| MinceR | if so, there are lots of people it doesn't work in | Dec 05 20:36 |
| MinceR | politicians, microsoft management, etc. | Dec 05 20:37 |
| DaemonFC[m] | We actually have a name for people like Illinois Governor JB Pritzker. "Limousine Liberal". It means someone who says he cares about public education, then sends his kids to private school so they won't have to associate with the hoi polloi. Says he wants mass transit, and then takes a jet from Chicago to Springfield and back... That sort of thing. | Dec 05 20:37 |
| XRevan86 | scientes: Suicide makes a lot of sense in this context, as it's a last resort when a person feels they are permanently screwed ⇒ a burden for their community. | Dec 05 20:37 |
| MinceR | most jets are mass transit | Dec 05 20:38 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Says "Medicaid for everyone." is fair, and then he and other government insiders get platinum level private plans with a personal masseuse. | Dec 05 20:38 |
| XRevan86 | So their genes tell them: it's better for my propagation if you, the burden, remove yourself from the equation. | Dec 05 20:38 |
| scientes | XRevan86, yes, and there is a strong effort to remove that feeling from society | Dec 05 20:38 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Says he'll improve living conditions for black people, and then just hands them on demand abortion and asks what else they could possibly want. | Dec 05 20:39 |
| scientes | because bankers see culture and society as a threat to their existence | Dec 05 20:39 |
| scientes | and continued ability to fleece everybody | Dec 05 20:39 |
| XRevan86 | So if a person doesn't feel rewarded, i.e. a useful contributor that the community appreciates, that sense kicks in. | Dec 05 20:39 |
| scientes | but there also is the fake suicide threats | Dec 05 20:39 |
| scientes | which are much more common these days | Dec 05 20:40 |
| scientes | the workers at fox-conn using the threat of suicide to get better conditions | Dec 05 20:40 |
| scientes | (i'm not calling them fakers) | Dec 05 20:40 |
| scientes | i'm trying to point out how this global so-called liberal elite banking system works | Dec 05 20:40 |
| MinceR | what a joyful place that must be to work | Dec 05 20:40 |
| scientes | its based on milk and meat | Dec 05 20:40 |
| XRevan86 | scientes: My point is that the contemporary society is really freaky with how it gives humans rewards and punishments, and that makes suicide ever more unpredictable. | Dec 05 20:40 |
| scientes | MinceR, exactly the point | Dec 05 20:40 |
| scientes | XRevan86, yes, which is what these smart workers figured out | Dec 05 20:41 |
| scientes | those that are actually commiting suicide like this are the indian farmers | Dec 05 20:41 |
| scientes | as they were celebrated by Hindu religion | Dec 05 20:41 |
| scientes | and now they are see as nothings | Dec 05 20:41 |
| scientes | *not seen | Dec 05 20:42 |
| XRevan86 | I'm looking at it from an urban context strictly | Dec 05 20:42 |
| scientes | in San Francisco the only economic activity I saw was the addition of nets to the Golden Gate bridge | Dec 05 20:42 |
| DaemonFC[m] | JB Pritzker is just another ham handed fake liberal piece of shit who has to "whitesplain" everything to people of color. And the sad part is how many people go along with it. But that doesn't make them unusual, because many people are stupid enough to believe Trump. | Dec 05 20:42 |
| scientes | XRevan86, there were also posters asking people to turn in their neighbors to the courts | Dec 05 20:43 |
| scientes | because no-body wanted to buy advertising | Dec 05 20:43 |
| scientes | its really distopian | Dec 05 20:43 |
| scientes | these were everywhere | Dec 05 20:43 |
| DaemonFC[m] | They're both fat entitled billionaires who have no intention of disrupting the status quo and giving every day people a break. That's just something they say before they stick you in the ear. | Dec 05 20:43 |
| scientes | its like a poster "Big brother is watching you!" | Dec 05 20:44 |
| scientes | its because the elites know that a properly covered suicide could change everything | Dec 05 20:44 |
| scientes | that suicide points out how depressing life is | Dec 05 20:45 |
| scientes | so they have to destroy suicide with a Technical (!) solution | Dec 05 20:45 |
| scientes | because everything has a solution | Dec 05 20:45 |
| scientes | and the technical solutions are best | Dec 05 20:45 |
| scientes | fucking idiots | Dec 05 20:45 |
| scientes | just like the tesla price skyrocketed after the bolivian coup | Dec 05 20:46 |
| MinceR | it's cheaper | Dec 05 20:46 |
| MinceR | and they don't really care | Dec 05 20:46 |
| DaemonFC[m] | The only way for this to end is the collapse of the government. | Dec 05 20:46 |
| scientes | fucking idiots | Dec 05 20:46 |
| DaemonFC[m] | So that's really all I ever hope for these days. | Dec 05 20:46 |
| scientes | crazy delusionsal senile fucks | Dec 05 20:46 |
| MinceR | the "social contract" is a scam | Dec 05 20:46 |
| scientes | the elites in the US are very odl these days, and their underestimate how senile they have become | Dec 05 20:46 |
| DaemonFC[m] | MinceR: I don't recall ever signing a "social contract". | Dec 05 20:46 |
| MinceR | no one does | Dec 05 20:46 |
| XRevan86 | scientes: To turn in the neighbours to the courts for what? | Dec 05 20:46 |
| psydroid | what "social contract"? | Dec 05 20:47 |
| scientes | XRevan86, mainly domestic violence | Dec 05 20:47 |
| MinceR | https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Social_contract | Dec 05 20:47 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-en.wikipedia.org | Social contract - Wikipedia | Dec 05 20:47 | |
| scientes | MinceR, maybe its because God doesn't sing contracts | Dec 05 20:48 |
| scientes | he didn't sign a contract with Abraham or Moses | Dec 05 20:48 |
| MinceR | lol | Dec 05 20:48 |
| scientes | *sign | Dec 05 20:48 |
| MinceR | "God" doesn't sign contracts because "God" doesn't exist | Dec 05 20:48 |
| XRevan86 | A fancy term for "people roll with the state until they're annoyed with it en masse too much and know it" | Dec 05 20:48 |
| scientes | MinceR, god is the best way to describe many things | Dec 05 20:48 |
| MinceR | this is just humans fucking over other humans routinely and finding bullshit excuses for it | Dec 05 20:48 |
| MinceR | scientes: no it isn't | Dec 05 20:48 |
| scientes | MinceR, like read this https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reza_Aslan#How_to_Win_a_Cosmic_War_(a.k.a._Beyond_Fundamentalism) | Dec 05 20:48 |
| XRevan86 | Why does Electron exist? God. | Dec 05 20:49 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-en.wikipedia.org | Reza Aslan - Wikipedia | Dec 05 20:49 | |
| scientes | he is describing real things with god, where no other word would suffice | Dec 05 20:49 |
| scientes | and your anti-god stupidity (and I am not saying atheism is stupid) is just really annoying | Dec 05 20:49 |
| MinceR | then he's describing them incorrectly | Dec 05 20:49 |
| scientes | again you are like a broken record | Dec 05 20:49 |
| DaemonFC[m] | The problem with a state is that when people get fed up with it, they just make another state, and then the problem returns. | Dec 05 20:49 |
| MinceR | i'm not atheist, i'm agnostic | Dec 05 20:49 |
| *XRevan86 is atheist. | Dec 05 20:49 | |
| MinceR | "God" is capitalized because it refers to a particular monotheistic god | Dec 05 20:49 |
| MinceR | one that is defined in such a way that it is impossible for it to exist | Dec 05 20:50 |
| MinceR | and these things do not need the god (or the "God") hypothesis for their explanations | Dec 05 20:50 |
| scientes | Aslan refers to Al Qaeda's jihad against the west as "a cosmic war", distinct from holy war, in which rival religious groups are engaged in an earthly battle for material goals. "A cosmic war is like a ritual drama in which participants act out on earth a battle they believe is actually taking place in the heavens." American rhetoric of "war on terrorism", Aslan says, is in precise "cosmic dualism" to Al Qaeda's jihad. | Dec 05 20:50 |
| DaemonFC[m] | The government has created mass poverty because "police" ensure that those pesky poor people get shot when they start bothering the important people. | Dec 05 20:50 |
| scientes | that is really well said | Dec 05 20:50 |
| scientes | I don't think it could be any better said | Dec 05 20:50 |
| XRevan86 | MinceR: C'mon, we all know to how to make it possible to exist. | Dec 05 20:51 |
| XRevan86 | Cherry-pick all the things that are psausible enough under your fallacies, and there you go, you've constructed yourself a G-d. | Dec 05 20:51 |
| MinceR | well, the cultists may believe they're acting out a battle in the heavens | Dec 05 20:51 |
| MinceR | that doesn't make it so | Dec 05 20:51 |
| scientes | its far better than just saying that homophobes are stupid | Dec 05 20:51 |
| MinceR | XRevan86: yes, but that's _a_ god, not "God" | Dec 05 20:51 |
| scientes | so admit that homophobes really do believe that "god hates fags" | Dec 05 20:51 |
| scientes | because that *is* what they believe | Dec 05 20:51 |
| MinceR | they may well believe that | Dec 05 20:51 |
| MinceR | though not necessarily all of them | Dec 05 20:51 |
| XRevan86 | MinceR: Cherry-pick from The God, and you'll get that. | Dec 05 20:51 |
| scientes | ^^^^^ exactly | Dec 05 20:51 |
| MinceR | and regardless of whether they believe it, it isn't true | Dec 05 20:51 |
| scientes | that's where you miss the point | Dec 05 20:51 |
| XRevan86 | MinceR: Just ignore what you're too smart to accept. | Dec 05 20:52 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Well, I wouldn't say all homophobes are stupid. Many are. It's something that goes together like peas and carrots, as Forest Gump would put it. But they might just be revolted. Many of them are simply too chickenshit to say it and hide behind religion. | Dec 05 20:52 |
| MinceR | XRevan86: ok, then i cherry-pick this: "There is no God" from Psalm 14:1 | Dec 05 20:52 |
| XRevan86 | MinceR: cheater | Dec 05 20:53 |
| MinceR | :> | Dec 05 20:53 |
| MinceR | this is no more cheating than any other act of cherry-picking | Dec 05 20:53 |
| scientes | I am kinda making an argument that Moses and Abraham didn't sign a contract with God because that would make the religion too obviously stupid | Dec 05 20:53 |
| MinceR | lol | Dec 05 20:53 |
| DaemonFC[m] | I have more respect for the ones who just admit they're personally disgusted. Not much more, but more. Don't try to tow God into it. | Dec 05 20:53 |
| scientes | like "who the fuck would make such a stupid deal" | Dec 05 20:53 |
| MinceR | but abrahamic religions _are_ obviously stupid | Dec 05 20:53 |
| scientes | with this "god" that they don't trust | Dec 05 20:53 |
| scientes | MinceR, but i'm saying it would be *more* stupid | Dec 05 20:54 |
| scientes | because that is how stupid contracts are | Dec 05 20:54 |
| scientes | they are more stupid that religion | Dec 05 20:54 |
| MinceR | the same people who believe that the pinnacle of morality is a "God" who curses a fig tree for not being in fruiting season | Dec 05 20:54 |
| scientes | MinceR, I would too | Dec 05 20:54 |
| MinceR | the same people who believe that charging any interest rate on lended money is "usury" and evil | Dec 05 20:54 |
| scientes | the fig tree exists for my pleasure MinceR | Dec 05 20:54 |
| MinceR | scientes: even if you were omniscient? | Dec 05 20:54 |
| scientes | MinceR, so when it is not fruiting it is sinning | Dec 05 20:54 |
| MinceR | even if you created the species that way? | Dec 05 20:54 |
| scientes | I never claimed to be god | Dec 05 20:55 |
| DaemonFC[m] | The only universal truth is that when you start off with "I had to thoroughly research this topic before coming up with a comprehensive opinion of my own." pisses everyone off. | Dec 05 20:55 |
| MinceR | the same people who believe that knowledge is evil | Dec 05 20:55 |
| scientes | MinceR, but knowledge is sweet | Dec 05 20:55 |
| scientes | (that's actually the whole damn point) | Dec 05 20:55 |
| MinceR | ...is knowledge revenge? | Dec 05 20:55 |
| XRevan86 | MinceR: The pinnacle of morality is burning two cities to the ground for being too obnoxious for G-d's taste. | Dec 05 20:56 |
| scientes | "revenge is sweet" is a contradiction to make a point | Dec 05 20:56 |
| scientes | just like "patience is a virtue" | Dec 05 20:56 |
| scientes | these are proverbs | Dec 05 20:56 |
| MinceR | oh, and the same people who believe that two chapters telling the creation story in a way that contradict each other are both true | Dec 05 20:56 |
| MinceR | and that the writing containing them contains no errors | Dec 05 20:56 |
| scientes | MinceR, well that is protestantism | Dec 05 20:56 |
| MinceR | there's nothing contradictory about revenge being sweet | Dec 05 20:56 |
| scientes | and such thinking is inrtedibly stupid | Dec 05 20:57 |
| scientes | such ideas are incredibly stupid | Dec 05 20:57 |
| scientes | they are not thinking | Dec 05 20:57 |
| scientes | they are the absense of it | Dec 05 20:57 |
| MinceR | scientes: can we defeat "God" with iron chariots? | Dec 05 20:57 |
| XRevan86 | MinceR: You know, https://freecodecamp.org/news/content/images/2019/07/best-js-meme-to-date-2.png | Dec 05 20:58 |
| MinceR | lol | Dec 05 20:58 |
| scientes | fuck me | Dec 05 20:58 |
| scientes | javascipt and PHP | Dec 05 20:58 |
| MinceR | are abrahamics written in javascript? | Dec 05 20:58 |
| DaemonFC[m] | MinceR, that's almost everyone in this day and age. The people who do or don't go to church just end up making the state a church, so same result, even if they argue between themselves. The state is just another religion. It only has power because humans made it up and handed it over and imposed a set of commandments on their neighbors. | Dec 05 20:59 |
| MinceR | jehovahscript | Dec 05 20:59 |
| scientes | ^^^^ | Dec 05 20:59 |
| MinceR | DaemonFC[m]: yeah | Dec 05 20:59 |
| scientes | DaemonFC[m], there is much truth to that | Dec 05 20:59 |
| MinceR | except for a few people who don't believe in either, like myself :> | Dec 05 20:59 |
| scientes | $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$ | Dec 05 20:59 |
| scientes | ✞✞✞✞✞✞✞✞✞✞✞✞✞✞✞✞✞✞✞✞✞✞✞✞✞✞✞✞ | Dec 05 21:00 |
| scientes | ^^what is the difference? | Dec 05 21:00 |
| MinceR | the first one works better | Dec 05 21:00 |
| scientes | MinceR, until it doesn't | Dec 05 21:00 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Oh, as a Libertarian and an anarchist in many ways, I don't care what people believe as long as it doesn't directly harm me, but it always does. The state and religion always bother you even if you aren't doing anything wrong. They just can't keep their cotton picking hands to themselves. | Dec 05 21:00 |
| MinceR | DaemonFC[m]: people should learn to treat religion as a private matter and then it wouldn't matter | Dec 05 21:01 |
| scientes | MinceR, people will switch to €€€€€€€€€€€€€€€€€€ | Dec 05 21:01 |
| XRevan86 | scientes: This reminds me of the Patriarch's processions and helicopter rides for some reason | Dec 05 21:02 |
| scientes | and then 卐卐卐卐卐卐卐卐卐卐卐卐卐卐卐卐卐卐卐 ?? | Dec 05 21:02 |
| MinceR | buddhism? | Dec 05 21:03 |
| XRevan86 | to buddhism? | Dec 05 21:03 |
| *XRevan86 is original and smart | Dec 05 21:03 | |
| *MinceR is too | Dec 05 21:03 | |
| DaemonFC[m] | The state being in control of money, has control over who has money. And in the case of the American government, about 1% have 90% of it. | Dec 05 21:03 |
| MinceR | it is possible to have money no state can control | Dec 05 21:04 |
| scientes | DaemonFC[m], which doesn't matter when people switch to 卐卐卐卐卐卐卐卐卐卐卐卐卐卐 | Dec 05 21:04 |
| scientes | MinceR, it is possible to have worthless money no state can control | Dec 05 21:04 |
| scientes | FTFY | Dec 05 21:04 |
| MinceR | it has the worth people give to it | Dec 05 21:04 |
| XRevan86 | scientes: I think you're confusing buddhism and anarchy | Dec 05 21:05 |
| DaemonFC[m] | MinceR: Not so. The federal government doesn't acknowledge cryptocurrency as money, but at the same time, they claim you must pay taxes on it even though it's not money, and they routinely seize it and auction it off, even though it has no value, you see. | Dec 05 21:05 |
| MinceR | lol | Dec 05 21:05 |
| MinceR | they don't have to know about it | Dec 05 21:05 |
| MinceR | they also don't have to know who owns it | Dec 05 21:05 |
| scientes | and it also still has no value | Dec 05 21:06 |
| scientes | so it doesn't matter who owns it | Dec 05 21:06 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Ever since Putin announced a cryptorubble, his servant, Trump, decided to jump on this carbon-spewing bandwagon of Gunning Krugerism. | Dec 05 21:07 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Dunning | Dec 05 21:07 |
| *XRevan86 completely forgot about that. | Dec 05 21:07 | |
| scientes | just classic Putin-politics | Dec 05 21:08 |
| scientes | like saying that "Russian could one day join the EU" | Dec 05 21:08 |
| DaemonFC[m] | I'm sure the Crypto Dollar will be another way for Trump and other rich criminals to hide their own money from the taxation their laws subject us to. Probably Putin's idea for the Russin Oligarchs as well. | Dec 05 21:08 |
| XRevan86 | Did they actually make it though? | Dec 05 21:08 |
| scientes | well the Venezuelan bitcoin-currency | Dec 05 21:09 |
| scientes | was a real thing | Dec 05 21:09 |
| scientes | designed to side-step US control over SWIFT and ABA | Dec 05 21:09 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Who knows if the Crypto Dollar will ever exist. It could be like the Impenetrable Wall (except with $100 saws from Home Depot) or the Space Force. | Dec 05 21:10 |
| XRevan86 | Millions will be spent on making a national Wikipedia competitor %) | Dec 05 21:10 |
| scientes | cause transporting actual $100 bills is annoying | Dec 05 21:10 |
| MinceR | conservapedia? | Dec 05 21:10 |
| scientes | and are not very well accepted | Dec 05 21:10 |
| scientes | also China doesn't want to export the gazillions that they have | Dec 05 21:10 |
| scientes | except for Gold | Dec 05 21:10 |
| XRevan86 | The updated Big Russian Encyclopaedia | Dec 05 21:10 |
| scientes | its like the middle ages all over again | Dec 05 21:10 |
| scientes | with china only wanting gold and raw minerals | Dec 05 21:11 |
| scientes | but this time they are dumping opium (fentanyl) on the US | Dec 05 21:11 |
| MinceR | :> | Dec 05 21:11 |
| XRevan86 | will probably end up somewhere near the national search engine Sputnik | Dec 05 21:11 |
| scientes | and If the US demands that China end the trade war and stop dumping opium we will have the 3rd opium war | Dec 05 21:12 |
| DaemonFC[m] | We all know that the main use for Viagra is when coked up billionaires can't get it up. | Dec 05 21:13 |
| scientes | that actually is pretty good grounds for war | Dec 05 21:13 |
| scientes | given that china only exports fentanyl | Dec 05 21:13 |
| DaemonFC[m] | But apparently meth does the same thing, so it's popular with that crowd too. | Dec 05 21:13 |
| scientes | its not for local consumption | Dec 05 21:13 |
| scientes | and the US is so backwards these days it probably can't manufacture it anyways | Dec 05 21:14 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Anyone who dies from using this stuff probably wasn't our best people, so yeah. | Dec 05 21:14 |
| DaemonFC[m] | I'm sort of on the fence about the drug epidemic, because it's proving that the really Jesusey parts of the country don't have it any better for all of the praying they do. | Dec 05 21:14 |
| scientes | DaemonFC[m], they are not praying enough | Dec 05 21:14 |
| scientes | that is the problem | Dec 05 21:15 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Some lady overdosed and died in the bathroom at my mom's church. | Dec 05 21:15 |
| DaemonFC[m] | So it looks like she was resorting to a little bit of everything on the way down. | Dec 05 21:15 |
| DaemonFC[m] | And that's sad. | Dec 05 21:15 |
| scientes | its because she stopped praying to shoot up | Dec 05 21:15 |
| XRevan86 | DaemonFC[m]: What did she do in a church? | Dec 05 21:15 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Opioids. What do all rednecks OD on? | Dec 05 21:15 |
| DaemonFC[m] | It's where most of the Dr. Feelgood clinics are. Rural America. | Dec 05 21:16 |
| scientes | DaemonFC[m], hickeys | Dec 05 21:16 |
| XRevan86 | DaemonFC[m]: I see. | Dec 05 21:16 |
| DaemonFC[m] | It's a scourge, and now they're saying that most of the AIDS deaths in America are rural areas too. | Dec 05 21:16 |
| scientes | XRevan86, its also part of the suicide thing you talk about | Dec 05 21:16 |
| DaemonFC[m] | People sharing drug needles and shit. It's not even gay men anymore. | Dec 05 21:16 |
| scientes | and schestowitz has talked to me about this too | Dec 05 21:16 |
| XRevan86 | scientes: Not really, I focused on how a functioning brain works. | Dec 05 21:17 |
| scientes | a society where your only value is in buying stuff is a extremely sad existence | Dec 05 21:17 |
| XRevan86 | scientes: Ah, right. | Dec 05 21:17 |
| scientes | that's why the NY Times writes an article sympathizing with the opiate epidemic in Silicon Valley | Dec 05 21:18 |
| scientes | and Lawyers | Dec 05 21:18 |
| scientes | and Doctors | Dec 05 21:18 |
| scientes | et cetera | Dec 05 21:18 |
| XRevan86 | Suddenly the War on Drugs seems too harsh, eh | Dec 05 21:19 |
| scientes | no | Dec 05 21:19 |
| scientes | you have to be harsh | Dec 05 21:19 |
| scientes | well, no the war on drugs is all about corruption | Dec 05 21:19 |
| scientes | not harshness | Dec 05 21:19 |
| scientes | its where the complete ignoring of property rights by the police comes from | Dec 05 21:19 |
| scientes | where the police just take your shit | Dec 05 21:19 |
| scientes | and then the state of Arizona bans the practice....and the police just keep on doing it | Dec 05 21:20 |
| scientes | but you have to be stern with these people, its exactly what they need | Dec 05 21:20 |
| scientes | but there is this huge US racket of "recovery" from opiate addition | Dec 05 21:20 |
| scientes | its one of the biggest growth "industries" (i.e. rackets) | Dec 05 21:20 |
| scientes | and its all about "compassion" | Dec 05 21:21 |
| scientes | which anyone who has ever known an addict knows is a stupid idea | Dec 05 21:21 |
| scientes | addicts need meaning in their life, that is what led them to become an addict in the first place | Dec 05 21:21 |
| XRevan86 | scientes: By "harsh" I mean not caring about the individual at all. Something in the realm of a Russian prison. | Dec 05 21:22 |
| scientes | XRevan86, if you read GULAG Archipelag you learn that Russian prisons under Tsar times they could have gardens | Dec 05 21:23 |
| XRevan86 | scientes: Solzhenitsyn is a tsarist, so… | Dec 05 21:24 |
| scientes | oh interesting | Dec 05 21:24 |
| scientes | he did have a romanticism for WW1 | Dec 05 21:24 |
| XRevan86 | Here's definitely on the orthodox romance side. | Dec 05 21:24 |
| scientes | he had planned this massive work on WW1 | Dec 05 21:25 |
| XRevan86 | The biggest curse of the bolshevism on Russia is abolishment of religion, yes | Dec 05 21:25 |
| scientes | I read the uncompleted first part | Dec 05 21:25 |
| XRevan86 | spirituality, nationality, all that stuff | Dec 05 21:25 |
| XRevan86 | basically, he's biased | Dec 05 21:25 |
| scientes | XRevan86, that song had that too https://3ears.com/media/1887 and Georgians feel the same | Dec 05 21:25 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-3ears | Dec 05 21:25 | |
| XRevan86 | I wonder what his opinion on Putin is, since Putin buffs the Orthodox church big time | Dec 05 21:26 |
| scientes | is he still alive? | Dec 05 21:26 |
| XRevan86 | Oh, I thought he is… | Dec 05 21:26 |
| XRevan86 | 2008 | Dec 05 21:26 |
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| XRevan86 | > In 2008 Solzhenitsyn praised Putin, saying Russia was rediscovering what it meant to be Russian. | Dec 05 21:27 |
| scientes | OK, you are right | Dec 05 21:27 |
| XRevan86 | https://denvercatholic.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/2/2018/04/Vladimir_Putin_and_Patriarch_Kirill_on_Unity_Day_2016-11-04_05-924x600.jpg | Dec 05 21:29 |
| scientes | the US also has a massive homelessness problem | Dec 05 21:29 |
| XRevan86 | So this works | Dec 05 21:29 |
| scientes | and the mentally ill just walk the streets talking to themselves and causing caous | Dec 05 21:29 |
| scientes | chaos | Dec 05 21:29 |
| XRevan86 | finally we know what it means to be Russian | Dec 05 21:29 |
| scientes | I am going to miss Georgian Christmas this year | Dec 05 21:29 |
| oiaohm | One of the big thing with the war on drugs is how little miss use of prescription drugs is looked into. | Dec 05 21:29 |
| scientes | I'll have to wait till after newyears | Dec 05 21:30 |
| scientes | oiaohm, declaring a "war" on something just means its a racket | Dec 05 21:30 |
| XRevan86 | scientes: I don't know much about Imperial prisons, not even Soviet prisons of different eras, but I do know that a lot of tactics of the powers that be live on generation after generation | Dec 05 21:31 |
| scientes | and proscription drugs and illegal drugs is a racket | Dec 05 21:31 |
| XRevan86 | so I would not be surprised if an average 1890 prison isn't much different from a 2019 one | Dec 05 21:31 |
| scientes | well the tactics are the same | Dec 05 21:32 |
| scientes | debt prisons | Dec 05 21:32 |
| scientes | and then extorting the family for the money | Dec 05 21:32 |
| XRevan86 | > He asserted that Imperial Russia did not practice any real censorship in the style of the Soviet Glavlit | Dec 05 21:33 |
| XRevan86 | Except that they did | Dec 05 21:33 |
| scientes | of course they did | Dec 05 21:33 |
| scientes | all governments do | Dec 05 21:33 |
| scientes | except Dutch was extremely bad at it | Dec 05 21:33 |
| scientes | to the point of having no censorship at all | Dec 05 21:33 |
| oiaohm | scientes: or it a decoy. | Dec 05 21:34 |
| XRevan86 | scientes: I bet you can buy Das Kapital with no issues in the US | Dec 05 21:34 |
| scientes | oiaohm, it more has to do with the decentralized government | Dec 05 21:34 |
| scientes | XRevan86, you always could | Dec 05 21:34 |
| Hail_Spacecake | scientes: are you georgian? | Dec 05 21:34 |
| XRevan86 | Hail_Spacecake: He is not. | Dec 05 21:34 |
| scientes | Hail_Spacecake, I met a Georgian today that has to look at his passport to know how to spell his own name | Dec 05 21:35 |
| scientes | because he is Georgian in citizenship only | Dec 05 21:35 |
| XRevan86 | scientes: Point being, in Imperial Russia censorship would not pass anything that undermines the holy status of the Emperor or the current regime in any way. | Dec 05 21:35 |
| Hail_Spacecake | scientes: is his name მჭედლიშვილი or something crazy like that? | Dec 05 21:36 |
| scientes | XRevan86, my great-grandfather had to renounce any allegiance to Nicolas I | Dec 05 21:36 |
| scientes | Hail_Spacecake, are you Georgian? | Dec 05 21:36 |
| XRevan86 | Just saying that Solzhenitsyn was biased as heck | Dec 05 21:36 |
| Hail_Spacecake | scientes: no but I studied the language some | Dec 05 21:37 |
| oiaohm | scientes: https://www.drugabuse.gov/related-topics/trends-statistics/overdose-death-rates there are nice stats on overdoes rates of death. The individual camp with the highest overdoes rate is prescription drugs. | Dec 05 21:37 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.drugabuse.gov | Overdose Death Rates | National Institute on Drug Abuse (NIDA) | Dec 05 21:37 | |
| oiaohm | scientes: war on drugs most is excuse to target smaller groups and ignore the big ones that put money into election campaigns. | Dec 05 21:38 |
| scientes | oiaohm, i think you just described the US political system | Dec 05 21:39 |
| MinceR | 05 222738 < XRevan86> > In 2008 Solzhenitsyn praised Putin, saying Russia was rediscovering what it meant to be Russian. | Dec 05 21:39 |
| MinceR | interesting | Dec 05 21:39 |
| scientes | print money->print votes->print money | Dec 05 21:39 |
| oiaohm | Smokes, Alcohol and Prescription drugs are in fact your top three killers out of the humans using drugs problems. | Dec 05 21:39 |
| MinceR | so he only cares about what flavor the authoritarianism he gets is endowed with | Dec 05 21:39 |
| oiaohm | And the amount of money those put into the political system over time has been insane., | Dec 05 21:40 |
| XRevan86 | MinceR: Pretty much. Just banners. | Dec 05 21:40 |
| scientes | oiaohm, print money->print votes->print money | Dec 05 21:40 |
| MinceR | sprinkles on the turd he's force-fed | Dec 05 21:41 |
| oiaohm | scientes: you cannot just print more money. Countries that try that end up with the stupid of needing a billion dollars to buy a loaf of bread. | Dec 05 21:41 |
| XRevan86 | MinceR: But who knows, maybe if he lived to this day, he would've changed his mind. It was easier to ignore what state Putin is really building in 2008. | Dec 05 21:41 |
| scientes | oiaohm, and what do you think is going to happen to the US? | Dec 05 21:41 |
| scientes | oiaohm, and in zimbabwe they had a 100 trillion dollar note | Dec 05 21:41 |
| XRevan86 | Albeit it was already authoritarian, so yes. | Dec 05 21:42 |
| oiaohm | scientes: at the worse of zimbabwe you required a about 1000 bundles of 1000 trillion dollar notes for a loaf of bread. | Dec 05 21:42 |
| oiaohm | scientes: so no print more money does not exactly work. | Dec 05 21:43 |
| scientes | oiaohm, and what do you think will happen to the US? | Dec 05 21:43 |
| MinceR | XRevan86: if he was wiser, he wouldn't have put his foot in his mouth | Dec 05 21:43 |
| XRevan86 | MinceR: The Wikipedia article is full of statements like that %) | Dec 05 21:43 |
| MinceR | :) | Dec 05 21:43 |
| oiaohm | scientes: the housing collapse that happed in the USA was a print more money revenge in time. | Dec 05 21:44 |
| XRevan86 | it's all about Christianity and true Russian culture | Dec 05 21:44 |
| oiaohm | scientes: you get away with print more money for a while and then it back fires. | Dec 05 21:44 |
| oiaohm | scientes: question is how long. | Dec 05 21:44 |
| XRevan86 | against that faux culture those evil commies constructed, robbing Russians of their true heritage | Dec 05 21:44 |
| oiaohm | and how big of a back fire. | Dec 05 21:44 |
| MinceR | is there anything humanity does that won't backfire? | Dec 05 21:44 |
| XRevan86 | which is tsar, orthodoxy and nationality | Dec 05 21:44 |
| oiaohm | MinceR: I guess die would be about it on will not backfire. | Dec 05 21:45 |
| oiaohm | scientes: basically printing money has to be done in controlled moderation. | Dec 05 21:46 |
| XRevan86 | Putin delivers on that, so Putin's awesome and great. | Dec 05 21:46 |
| XRevan86 | More churches than ever before (it is thought to be extremely profitable to the Church). | Dec 05 21:47 |
| XRevan86 | $✞$✞$✞$✞$✞$✞$✞$✞$✞$✞$卐$✞$✞$✞$✞$ | Dec 05 21:48 |
| oiaohm | Churchs were a historic tax man. | Dec 05 21:49 |
| MinceR | ☭☭☭☭☭☭☭☭☭☭☭☭☭☭☭☭☭☭☭☭☭ | Dec 05 21:49 |
| oiaohm | It always been strange that governments and churches have got along at all. | Dec 05 21:49 |
| MinceR | they fused | Dec 05 21:50 |
| MinceR | https://ircz.de/p/19091719 | Dec 05 21:50 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-ircz.de | IRCZ makes your life worth living Post object | Dec 05 21:50 | |
| Hail_Spacecake | are people here particularly concerned about inflation of the us dollar? | Dec 05 21:51 |
| MinceR | no, i have bigger problems | Dec 05 21:51 |
| MinceR | like the inflation of the HUF | Dec 05 21:51 |
| Hail_Spacecake | HUF? | Dec 05 21:51 |
| XRevan86 | MinceR: ☭ https://youtu.be/vfh0rA45OU0?t=291 ☭ | Dec 05 21:51 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Как живет Мосгордума после победы «Умного голосования» - YouTube | Dec 05 21:51 | |
| MinceR | hungarian forint | Dec 05 21:51 |
| XRevan86 | https://ircz.de/p/19091719 – nah, that's just US romancism | Dec 05 21:52 |
| XRevan86 | In the building of the Moscow City Duma an FBK employee interviews a Communist Party member, and at this particular timecode she says that she was never a member of the CPSU, yet ironically many of the United Russia deputees were. | Dec 05 21:55 |
| Hail_Spacecake | MinceR: are you hungarian? | Dec 05 21:55 |
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| MinceR | depends on whom you ask | Dec 05 21:55 |
| Hail_Spacecake | are you a citizen of hungary? | Dec 05 21:55 |
| MinceR | according to the party that owns the state, i'm not | Dec 05 21:55 |
| MinceR | yes | Dec 05 21:55 |
| DaemonFC[m] | MinceR: Yeah, inflation has been bad here. | Dec 05 21:56 |
| XRevan86 | MinceR: Are you officially an elf? | Dec 05 21:56 |
| MinceR | not as bad as here | Dec 05 21:56 |
| MinceR | XRevan86: :) | Dec 05 21:56 |
| DaemonFC[m] | In 2005 when I bought the tires for my Ford Taurus, it was $40 per tire and $9 to install each one. | Dec 05 21:56 |
| MinceR | here it's so bad the government comes up with tricks to pretend the inflation is lower than it really is | Dec 05 21:56 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Thanks to all this damned tire inflation :) the same thing today is $57 per tire and $15 each to install. | Dec 05 21:56 |
| MinceR | like putting state-determined prices into the "basket" | Dec 05 21:56 |
| DaemonFC[m] | They tried to hide some of it behind the installation fee. | Dec 05 21:56 |
| DaemonFC[m] | LOL @ state-determined prices. | Dec 05 21:57 |
| DaemonFC[m] | MinceR: Without tire tariffs, the price of tires would have been about the same now as they were in 2005. | Dec 05 21:57 |
| DaemonFC[m] | So the state is causing inflation by tariff and is stealing people's money from behind the scenes. | Dec 05 21:58 |
| MinceR | [insert joke about how putting air in tires causes inflation of their prices] | Dec 05 21:58 |
| DaemonFC[m] | The tariff on car tires is 25%, so 25% of $57 is $14.25. | Dec 05 21:58 |
| DaemonFC[m] | So $42.75 per tire. | Dec 05 21:59 |
| DaemonFC[m] | The price has barely gone up in 14 years, except the government forced it to, in order to give these giant car tire lobbyists an advantage. | Dec 05 21:59 |
| DaemonFC[m] | If you buy American tires, they're still more expensive, though. | Dec 05 21:59 |
| DaemonFC[m] | And I've had way more problems with retaining air from American ones. | Dec 05 22:00 |
| DaemonFC[m] | So the result is that people keep buying Chinese tires. Actually, the government has really pulled a trick here. | Dec 05 22:00 |
| MinceR | dunlop and goodyear? | Dec 05 22:00 |
| scientes | MinceR, it actually causes deflation of their prices | Dec 05 22:00 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Some of them are made in Indonesia or Thailand to escape the Chinese tire tariffs | Dec 05 22:00 |
| DaemonFC[m] | And the quality sucks, but you can still get a $40 tire. | Dec 05 22:01 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Starfire tires with no warranty whatsoever. | Dec 05 22:01 |
| DaemonFC[m] | They do that because they know the pieces of shit are going to leak right away and they don't want to give you your money back. | Dec 05 22:01 |
| DaemonFC[m] | MinceR: Pretty much. | Dec 05 22:01 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Goodyear's off brand for Walmart are made in the US, but they're so poorly designed and built that you get blowouts and shit because the sidewall is like tissue paper. | Dec 05 22:02 |
| MinceR | :> | Dec 05 22:02 |
| DaemonFC[m] | I saw a rusted out Honda at the Chinese restaurant. | Dec 05 22:02 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Had two Douglas on the front (Walmart's cheap off brand Goodyear) and two Starfires on the back (the worst tires you can buy at Pep Boys.). | Dec 05 22:03 |
| scientes | DaemonFC[m], are you insulting the Japanese people? | Dec 05 22:03 |
| DaemonFC[m] | No.... | Dec 05 22:03 |
| DaemonFC[m] | All cars end up rusting in the midwest and this thing was from the 80s, so.... | Dec 05 22:04 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Most American cars don't even last 20 years, much less 30. | Dec 05 22:04 |
| DaemonFC[m] | A German car usually lasts 5 before so many things are wrong with it you'd have to be insane to keep trying to save it. | Dec 05 22:05 |
| DaemonFC[m] | But the original driver is leasing another one by then. | Dec 05 22:05 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Someone bought a $22,000 Land Rover from Carmax, and he actually got one over on the stupid Carmax people. | Dec 05 22:05 |
| DaemonFC[m] | MinceR: He bought a $4,000 extended warranty that Carmax just figures as a percentage of what the sale price is. | Dec 05 22:06 |
| DaemonFC[m] | And with a Honda it works out in their favor. | Dec 05 22:06 |
| DaemonFC[m] | But this thing is a Mercedes vehicle. | Dec 05 22:06 |
| DaemonFC[m] | So they sold him the plan for $4,000, and by the time it was expired, they had put $17,000 in repairs in on it. | Dec 05 22:07 |
| MinceR | lol | Dec 05 22:07 |
| MinceR | how many years did it take? | Dec 05 22:07 |
| DaemonFC[m] | 4 | Dec 05 22:07 |
| MinceR | lol | Dec 05 22:07 |
| DaemonFC[m] | They had to spend $4,250 in repairs each year to keep a Land Rover on the road, for the 4 years the plan was in effect. | Dec 05 22:08 |
| DaemonFC[m] | On a plan that cost $4,000. | Dec 05 22:08 |
| DaemonFC[m] | The guy actually did the reliability math on the Land Rover and determined that they were going to lose at least four time what the warranty cost him. | Dec 05 22:09 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Some sales guy thinks he found an idiot that bought a warranty plan that costs way too much if it's a good car, but it was German so they lost their ass on it. | Dec 05 22:09 |
| DaemonFC[m] | So he got to drive a Land Rover around for 4 years while Carmax replaced just about everything on it at no extra cost to him while it swallowed their entire car sale and then some. | Dec 05 22:11 |
| XRevan86 | scientes: "that song had that too" – indeed. | Dec 05 22:13 |
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| XRevan86 | scientes: But a song is supposed to be highly subjective. | Dec 05 22:14 |
| scientes | well blanket attacking of religious was a pretty radical thing | Dec 05 22:16 |
| XRevan86 | But indeed explicit in that bolsheviks took the land from "us", implying that it was "ours" before that. | Dec 05 22:16 |
| scientes | well its a very romantic song | Dec 05 22:16 |
| scientes | it also has a train metaphore as the chorus, and the bolsheviks gave russia the railroads | Dec 05 22:16 |
| scientes | well, I guess there were also imperial railroads | Dec 05 22:17 |
| scientes | important in pre-revolution politics with China too | Dec 05 22:17 |
| Hail_Spacecake | the bolsheviks definitely increased the level of industrialization in the soviet union | Dec 05 22:18 |
| Hail_Spacecake | but it was starting, albeit slowly, before the revolution | Dec 05 22:18 |
| Hail_Spacecake | there were czarist nobles who owned factories, just not very many of them | Dec 05 22:18 |
| XRevan86 | Hail_Spacecake: That is a highly controversial topic, although that is factually true. | Dec 05 22:19 |
| scientes | and it is also why the Stalin museum was so unbearably boring | Dec 05 22:19 |
| MinceR | https://ircz.de/p/1909178 | Dec 05 22:19 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-ircz.de | IRCZ makes your life worth living Post object | Dec 05 22:19 | |
| Hail_Spacecake | you ever seen those really early color photographs of the russian empire? | Dec 05 22:19 |
| Hail_Spacecake | from like 1904 or something? | Dec 05 22:20 |
| scientes | it was all communist propaganda and nothing about the industrialization that Stalin helped | Dec 05 22:20 |
| XRevan86 | Hail_Spacecake: I have. | Dec 05 22:20 |
| Hail_Spacecake | one of them is a picture of a factory | Dec 05 22:20 |
| XRevan86 | scientes: Prison labour photographs aren't a pretty sight. | Dec 05 22:20 |
| scientes | XRevan86, doesn't prevent China from releasing such protos | Dec 05 22:20 |
| scientes | of the Uygher camps | Dec 05 22:20 |
| MinceR | at least the commies could have striven to make their culture wackier and flashier, like the nazis did :> | Dec 05 22:21 |
| scientes | they got the Bolga canal built that way | Dec 05 22:21 |
| scientes | Volga | Dec 05 22:21 |
| Hail_Spacecake | characterizing hte nazis as wacky and flashy and the communists as not | Dec 05 22:21 |
| Hail_Spacecake | says more about what things the chracterizer thinks count as flashy and wacky | Dec 05 22:22 |
| MinceR | :) | Dec 05 22:22 |
| Hail_Spacecake | than about the character of either power | Dec 05 22:22 |
| MinceR | well, where's the wolfenstein 3d equivalent that lets me kill commies? | Dec 05 22:22 |
| XRevan86 | MinceR: Papers, Please? | Dec 05 22:22 |
| Hail_Spacecake | I thought that was where you play *as* the commies | Dec 05 22:22 |
| XRevan86 | Hail_Spacecake: MinceR didn't say indirect murder doesn't count %) | Dec 05 22:23 |
| Hail_Spacecake | I actually can't think of any video game that involves shooting russian communists in war | Dec 05 22:23 |
| Hail_Spacecake | maybe a vietnam war video game? not that I've played any | Dec 05 22:23 |
| Hail_Spacecake | and that was at least partially a war of ethno-nationalist liberation on the part of the vietnamese | Dec 05 22:23 |
| XRevan86 | scientes: Pity I can't find this song on 3ears for instance: https://youtu.be/SzgXQGF7Z-8 | Dec 05 22:24 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Kino - Trolleybus / Кино - Троллейбус - YouTube | Dec 05 22:24 | |
| MinceR | XRevan86: meh | Dec 05 22:25 |
| MinceR | even less that involves dealing with commie-made fictional wonderweapons like zombie/mutants :> | Dec 05 22:25 |
| XRevan86 | or, of course, this one: https://youtu.be/FU8csnZxdPA | Dec 05 22:26 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Виктор Цой - Перемен - YouTube | Dec 05 22:26 | |
| scientes | oh, I got to use the soviet metro in Tblisi | Dec 05 22:28 |
| scientes | it was nice | Dec 05 22:28 |
| scientes | not very high capacity, but expansive network and nice | Dec 05 22:28 |
| XRevan86 | MinceR: There are so many story of wacky Nazi Germany science experiments it's hard to top | Dec 05 22:29 |
| MinceR | indeed | Dec 05 22:29 |
| MinceR | and the commies were boring | Dec 05 22:29 |
| scientes | and perverse experiments | Dec 05 22:29 |
| XRevan86 | MinceR: Maybe a game about growing crops in the ice? | Dec 05 22:29 |
| MinceR | lol | Dec 05 22:29 |
| XRevan86 | and some wacky mutants grow up instead and kill in the name of Lysenko | Dec 05 22:30 |
| MinceR | a game about lysenkoism/michurinism | Dec 05 22:30 |
| DaemonFC[m] | I've had all kinds of shit blow up on this Impala and it's a set of tires, an oil change, and a wheel bearing for my sister in law. | Dec 05 22:30 |
| DaemonFC[m] | It does make me feel a little better. | Dec 05 22:31 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Schadenfreude. | Dec 05 22:31 |
| scientes | It was interesting that the Stalin museum is still unchanged from communist times, apparently | Dec 05 22:32 |
| scientes | including making a stress of odd shit from all over the world | Dec 05 22:32 |
| scientes | at the end | Dec 05 22:32 |
| XRevan86 | MinceR: And then join Darth Vader in a glorious battle against rotten Western values | Dec 05 22:32 |
| scientes | compared to the expansive art collection at the end of the monestary your in Arequipa, Perú, that stuff sucks | Dec 05 22:33 |
| Hail_Spacecake | scientes: what are you doing in georgia? just tourism? | Dec 05 22:33 |
| Hail_Spacecake | I've been wanting to travel there myself for a while, but I haven't made my way there yet | Dec 05 22:33 |
| scientes | its targeted at poor Georgian plebs who can't travel | Dec 05 22:33 |
| MinceR | XRevan86: vader is rather alien to this | Dec 05 22:33 |
| DaemonFC[m] | MinceR: https://jalopnik.com/you-cant-get-a-cheap-carmax-range-rover-warranty-anymor-1655587419 | Dec 05 22:34 |
| Hail_Spacecake | is this stalin museum in his hometown? | Dec 05 22:34 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-jalopnik.com | You Can't Get A Cheap CarMax Range Rover Warranty Anymore | Dec 05 22:34 | |
| XRevan86 | And the name of the name: The Ultimate Christian Space Communism https://lurkmore.so/images/c/c6/Sfericheckiy_kommunist_v_vakuume.jpg | Dec 05 22:34 |
| scientes | Hail_Spacecake, yes, in Gori | Dec 05 22:34 |
| DaemonFC[m] | I think the Hungarians still have Stalin's Boots. | Dec 05 22:34 |
| Hail_Spacecake | I get the impression Gori is a pretty small village that doesn't have much going on there other than being stalin's birthplace | Dec 05 22:34 |
| scientes | Hail_Spacecake, it is built right next to his house | Dec 05 22:34 |
| scientes | which is maintained | Dec 05 22:34 |
| MinceR | :> | Dec 05 22:34 |
| XRevan86 | MinceR: From the cover of that book I referenced :) | Dec 05 22:34 |
| MinceR | we also have stalin's mindset | Dec 05 22:34 |
| Hail_Spacecake | Ioseb Jugashvili - a good georgian name | Dec 05 22:35 |
| MinceR | how do they reconcile christianity with communism? | Dec 05 22:36 |
| XRevan86 | MinceR: Just ignore all the contradictory parts. | Dec 05 22:37 |
| MinceR | lol | Dec 05 22:37 |
| XRevan86 | or maybe consider that when Marx said that religion is opium for the people, he didn't mean it as a bad thing | Dec 05 22:37 |
| MinceR | in classic christian fashion | Dec 05 22:37 |
| Hail_Spacecake | you could characterize jesus and the disciples as living a communist lifestyle | Dec 05 22:37 |
| Hail_Spacecake | some christians have definitely emphasized this | Dec 05 22:38 |
| MinceR | jesus and the council | Dec 05 22:38 |
| MinceR | maybe you could have christian communists waging a war on atheist communists | Dec 05 22:38 |
| XRevan86 | MinceR: Or you could focus on the founder of CPRF Gennady Zyuganov saying… what Hail_Spacecake said | Dec 05 22:39 |
| MinceR | :) | Dec 05 22:39 |
| MinceR | and miss out on half the wackiness? | Dec 05 22:39 |
| Hail_Spacecake | for most events that have happened in history | Dec 05 22:39 |
| Hail_Spacecake | members of an ideology in existence hundreds or thousands of years after those events | Dec 05 22:40 |
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| Hail_Spacecake | can come up with some evidence to show that that event supports their ideology in some way | Dec 05 22:40 |
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| XRevan86 | MinceR: Oh, and all of the people in that commune are reincarnates of notable historic people | Dec 05 22:40 |
| MinceR | and the more twisted and tortured the logic, the funnier it gets | Dec 05 22:40 |
| MinceR | or sadder | Dec 05 22:40 |
| Hail_Spacecake | communists and anti-communists both can come up with pieces of evidence from what we know (or think we know) about jesus or the buddha or moctezuma | Dec 05 22:41 |
| Hail_Spacecake | and use it to bolster their ideological claims | Dec 05 22:42 |
| XRevan86 | That's practically fantasising | Dec 05 22:43 |
| XRevan86 | and an appeal to authority, weak too | Dec 05 22:45 |
| XRevan86 | Jesus drank Pepsi, so it must be good for you. | Dec 05 22:45 |
| MinceR | Jesus Ate Sugar | Dec 05 22:45 |
| Hail_Spacecake | Jesus Hung Out With Prostitutes | Dec 05 22:46 |
| Hail_Spacecake | Jesus Told Prostitutes Not To Sin | Dec 05 22:46 |
| Hail_Spacecake | Jesus Advocated Paying Taxes | Dec 05 22:46 |
| Hail_Spacecake | Jesus Downplayed The Importance Of The State | Dec 05 22:46 |
| Hail_Spacecake | you can go on and on | Dec 05 22:46 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Yeah, Jesus sounded like a pretty okay guy. | Dec 05 22:47 |
| MinceR | except when he sounded like a lunatic | Dec 05 22:47 |
| DaemonFC[m] | I'm sure his followers are the reason it's been 2,000 years since anyone's seen him. | Dec 05 22:47 |
| XRevan86 | Jesus got pretty high | Dec 05 22:47 |
| MinceR | i think the reason is that he never existed | Dec 05 22:47 |
| DaemonFC[m] | "I'm not going back dad. They completely missed the point. Look at them!". | Dec 05 22:47 |
| MinceR | though that doesn't really stop people from seeing him... | Dec 05 22:47 |
| XRevan86 | https://media.tenor.com/images/ca80397585d7cc1646146d4fd565b815/tenor.gif | Dec 05 22:48 |
| Hail_Spacecake | jesus is just alright with me | Dec 05 22:48 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Every shitty German car idea ends up on a Chevy. | Dec 05 22:49 |
| danielp3344 | DaemonFC: lol | Dec 05 22:49 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Which is why I just laid out $600 to fix an ABS computer. | Dec 05 22:49 |
| MinceR | https://full.pr0gramm.com/2019/10/14/bbabec95c79431e4.jpg | Dec 05 22:49 |
| danielp3344 | DaemonFC: you dont need ABS | Dec 05 22:49 |
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| danielp3344 | Just learn to drive without it | Dec 05 22:49 |
| MinceR | i don't see what's shitty about ABS | Dec 05 22:50 |
| MinceR | that GM can't build it? :> | Dec 05 22:50 |
| danielp3344 | MinceR: No drift :P | Dec 05 22:50 |
| MinceR | it could be possible to disable | Dec 05 22:50 |
| DaemonFC[m] | They use Delco as their supplier. | Dec 05 22:50 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Same as Ford. | Dec 05 22:50 |
| MinceR | and it probably is if it is really necessary for drift | Dec 05 22:50 |
| DaemonFC[m] | My Taurus had the fucking ABS go out and I never fixed it. | Dec 05 22:50 |
| DaemonFC[m] | I had to get in there to unscrew the light before I sold it. | Dec 05 22:51 |
| MinceR | lol | Dec 05 22:51 |
| danielp3344 | dont do that | Dec 05 22:51 |
| MinceR | too late | Dec 05 22:51 |
| danielp3344 | I'm all for tuning/being lazy. But be honest | Dec 05 22:51 |
| MinceR | i never had issues with ABS in any of my cars | Dec 05 22:51 |
| XRevan86 | Jesus was a wise man, he once said: beware of uncertified candlesticks, your notes don't have any effect when you fire them | Dec 05 22:51 |
| DaemonFC[m] | MinceR: The only American cars I've owned that didn't eventually have the ABS fail are the ones that didn't have ABS. | Dec 05 22:52 |
| danielp3344 | exactly | Dec 05 22:52 |
| danielp3344 | dont do ABS | Dec 05 22:52 |
| danielp3344 | All the cars I drive often dont have it | Dec 05 22:52 |
| XRevan86 | https://img-fotki.yandex.ru/get/6705/165935642.4/0_fecda_beb52dba_L.jpg | Dec 05 22:52 |
| DaemonFC[m] | I was hoping I'd get lucky and it would just be a wheel speed sensor that got destroyed with the broken shit that mom was ignoring. | Dec 05 22:52 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Nope. Module. | Dec 05 22:52 |
| MinceR | so you could choose to get an american car without ABS, or you could choose a non-american car with ABS | Dec 05 22:52 |
| MinceR | i know which one i'd pick | Dec 05 22:52 |
| DaemonFC[m] | MinceR: It's such a bad idea that it's the law now. | Dec 05 22:53 |
| danielp3344 | DaemonFC: what?! | Dec 05 22:53 |
| DaemonFC[m] | ABS | Dec 05 22:53 |
| danielp3344 | srsly? | Dec 05 22:53 |
| DaemonFC[m] | yeah....2013 and newer | Dec 05 22:53 |
| MinceR | i probably have ESP due to the law as well :> | Dec 05 22:53 |
| *danielp3344 writes letter to NHTSA | Dec 05 22:53 | |
| MinceR | which is nice | Dec 05 22:53 |
| danielp3344 | I'll include airbags too | Dec 05 22:53 |
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| MinceR | it's also the basis of torque vectoring, afaik | Dec 05 22:53 |
| danielp3344 | those should be illegal | Dec 05 22:54 |
| MinceR | lol | Dec 05 22:54 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Well, airbags work unless they're those Toyota ones where they don't work because of spiders. | Dec 05 22:54 |
| danielp3344 | MinceR: srsly, seatbelts do a much better job | Dec 05 22:54 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Or they blow up and hit you with shrapnel. | Dec 05 22:54 |
| MinceR | danielp3344: they're not mutually exclusive | Dec 05 22:54 |
| danielp3344 | ^^^ | Dec 05 22:54 |
| XRevan86 | spider shrapnel? | Dec 05 22:54 |
| MinceR | spider mines | Dec 05 22:54 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Or spiders and shrapnel! | Dec 05 22:54 |
| MinceR | just use a laser pointer to herd them away from the car. | Dec 05 22:55 |
| danielp3344 | MinceR: yeah, but seat belts have a ***MUCH*** higher lives saved:deaths caused ratio | Dec 05 22:55 |
| MinceR | danielp3344: at least here both seem to be mandatory | Dec 05 22:55 |
| danielp3344 | yeah IK | Dec 05 22:55 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Or the ones that release the robotic Richard Simmons with spiders and shrapnel. | Dec 05 22:55 |
| danielp3344 | None of my cars have air bags :P | Dec 05 22:55 |
| danielp3344 | Someday I'm going to design a car. | Dec 05 22:56 |
| XRevan86 | https://izodou.ucoz.ru/PSP/chernogrudova_a.jpg | Dec 05 22:56 |
| MinceR | lol | Dec 05 22:57 |
| danielp3344 | Basically I want the 60s back | Dec 05 22:57 |
| MinceR | there will be a 60s, approximately 40 years from now | Dec 05 22:58 |
| danielp3344 | big v8s, manual transmissions, bench seats, chrome bumpers... | Dec 05 22:58 |
| danielp3344 | cool gauges | Dec 05 22:58 |
| MinceR | there probably won't be any humans in it though | Dec 05 22:58 |
| XRevan86 | Is it a good time to talk about our lord and saviour AvtoVAZ? | Dec 05 22:58 |
| MinceR | and that's what will make it so great | Dec 05 22:58 |
| danielp3344 | carburetors | Dec 05 22:58 |
| MinceR | XRevan86: have they learned how to make cars yet? | Dec 05 22:59 |
| danielp3344 | MinceR: wut | Dec 05 22:59 |
| XRevan86 | MinceR: They knew in the 70s | Dec 05 22:59 |
| XRevan86 | close enough maybe? | Dec 05 22:59 |
| danielp3344 | ??? | Dec 05 22:59 |
| XRevan86 | danielp3344: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zhiguli_(car_brand) | Dec 05 23:00 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-en.wikipedia.org | Zhiguli (car brand) - Wikipedia | Dec 05 23:00 | |
| MinceR | were those the ones buyers took straight to the worshop to get them assembled properly? | Dec 05 23:00 |
| MinceR | s/rs/rks/ | Dec 05 23:00 |
| XRevan86 | MinceR: Just look around the garages, maybe you'll find all the parts missing %) | Dec 05 23:01 |
| MinceR | lol | Dec 05 23:01 |
| MinceR | apparently now AvtoVAZ is yet another puppet of Renault | Dec 05 23:02 |
| MinceR | the corporation that dragged the name and reputation of Nissan and Mitsubishi through the mud | Dec 05 23:03 |
| XRevan86 | MinceR: Considering the reputation of contemporary AvtoVAZ, it can't get any worse. | Dec 05 23:04 |
| DaemonFC[m] | MinceR: Apple sort of helps inequality. | Dec 05 23:04 |
| MinceR | :> | Dec 05 23:05 |
| DaemonFC[m] | By convincing other people to buy computers that cost 4 times as much as a good one, the state gets more tax revenue from them than it does from me on that. | Dec 05 23:05 |
| MinceR | finally a Renault subsidiary that Renault is worthy of! | Dec 05 23:05 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Well, with a Chevy, eventually you have so many non-GM parts on it that reliability goes way up, after each mountain of repairs that follow the car throwing a major fit. | Dec 05 23:06 |
| DaemonFC[m] | With BMW you don't even get that, so.... | Dec 05 23:06 |
| MinceR | :> | Dec 05 23:06 |
| DaemonFC[m] | What I want to know is how mom always loses the little blue thing in the Chevy logo on the front. | Dec 05 23:07 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Is the little blue thing Leprechaun following her stealing half of each hood ornament or something? | Dec 05 23:07 |
| DaemonFC[m] | I don't see any front end impact damage, and the hood ornament is recessed, so..... | Dec 05 23:08 |
| DaemonFC[m] | To damage that, you'd have to take out most of the front end. | Dec 05 23:08 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Life's like that sometimes though. You see an orange failed businessman with 4 Chapter 11s and the vocabulary of a retarded 5 year old and you think...."I guess anyone can be the president of America." | Dec 05 23:09 |
| DaemonFC[m] | All I have to do is eat 11 bags of McDonalds each day and I too can be a world leader. Not a terrific one, but one that knows you don't piss off all of your allies and destroy the economy and then claim that it was all the black guy, three years running. | Dec 05 23:11 |
| MinceR | what blue thing? | Dec 05 23:12 |
| MinceR | oh, there's a version with blue filling | Dec 05 23:13 |
| MinceR | maybe GM bought know-how on gluing things from daimler | Dec 05 23:13 |
| MinceR | which daimler doesn't know, of course | Dec 05 23:13 |
| DaemonFC[m] | The Baby Boomers exported our entire economy to China. Just gave it to them. They ended public spending on universities. They destroyed the welfare state. They set up scam economy after scam economy that depended on shady loans at impossibly low interest rates, and then it was all Obama. No, it was all them. 30 years of them running the ship into the iceberg. I guess Obama is among them, but it took hundreds of | Dec 05 23:13 |
| DaemonFC[m] | millions of individuals to create the mess we're in now. | Dec 05 23:13 |
| MinceR | otherwise the upholstery of the mercedes-benz splinter wouldn't hang and wave in the wind | Dec 05 23:13 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Then they say it's because I'm not buying enough diamonds and Perrier. | Dec 05 23:13 |
| MinceR | s/spl/spr/ | Dec 05 23:13 |
| danielp3344 | MinceR: No I like splinter better | Dec 05 23:14 |
| MinceR | they named it sprinter though :> | Dec 05 23:14 |
| MinceR | oh wow, volkswagen also sold this crap | Dec 05 23:15 |
| MinceR | they really like crap, apparently | Dec 05 23:15 |
| DaemonFC[m] | They say a college degree now is what high school used to be, and they aren't wrong. When you have to have 4 years of college to work at the front desk of a Holiday Inn for $11.50, they aren't wrong. | Dec 05 23:15 |
| MinceR | they got in bed with crApple, microshit and daimler | Dec 05 23:15 |
| MinceR | DaemonFC[m]: are you eating enough avocado toast then? :> | Dec 05 23:16 |
| DaemonFC[m] | They do it because they can, and they can because the jobs market right now is like what it used to be during a really nasty recession, but Trump's padded statistics say we're not in one, so that means this isn't happening, I guess. | Dec 05 23:16 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Smashing! I wondered why I couldn't afford a ninety thousand dollar hours. | Dec 05 23:18 |
| DaemonFC[m] | I'm glad a billionaire rich-spained this to me. | Dec 05 23:18 |
| MinceR | :> | Dec 05 23:18 |
| DaemonFC[m] | I'm sure if I can just get a Very Small Loan of $10 million from Dad, like the President did, it will all come together. | Dec 05 23:18 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Adjusted for inflation? $50 million. But whatevs. I'll be happy with $10. | Dec 05 23:19 |
| DaemonFC[m] | The funny part about Trump's $50 million Very Small Loan from Dad (adjusted) is that he lost the entire thing in bad real estate deals and a shitty casino, had to borrow another $10 million, lost it, did commercials for Pizza Hut and McDonalds until the Russians and Mafia Unions came through for him, and now he's the President. | Dec 05 23:21 |
| DaemonFC[m] | I'm sure that's a path to success for anyone. | Dec 05 23:21 |
| MinceR | yeah, easily accessible | Dec 05 23:22 |
| DaemonFC[m] | But if he angers Vladimir Putin, the famous Russian Pee-Pee Party tape that totally doesn't exist will come out. | Dec 05 23:22 |
| DaemonFC[m] | I don't know if it exists or not. The Russians like to keep compromising material on rival politicians. | Dec 05 23:23 |
| DaemonFC[m] | It would be the end of Trump if a bunch of Russian prostitutes were peeing on him in a video leaked onto the internet. I mean, I would hope so, but you'd still have people like my parents who wouldn't hear about it or would still claim it was fake. | Dec 05 23:24 |
| danielp3344 | I'd go for a few million dollars rn lol | Dec 05 23:24 |
| danielp3344 | even, like, $5k to finish this engine build | Dec 05 23:24 |
| danielp3344 | DaemonFC: And there would be people like myself who would claim it was totally irrelevant. | Dec 05 23:26 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Of course, my mom buys extended warranties from fly by nights who take it back and use junkyard shit and bondo. | Dec 05 23:28 |
| DaemonFC[m] | And then she wonders why the car has been acting so odd lately. | Dec 05 23:28 |
| danielp3344 | DaemonFC: junkyards are the best | Dec 05 23:28 |
| danielp3344 | actually bondo too lol | Dec 05 23:28 |
| danielp3344 | one sec | Dec 05 23:28 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Yeah, for the people who sold you the piece of shit $2,000 warranty. | Dec 05 23:28 |
| *danielp3344 uploaded an image: IMG_20190709_144654.jpg (1081KB) < https://matrix.org/_matrix/media/r0/download/matrix.org/XqPxySCXRunNETlpwaecHMRa > | Dec 05 23:28 | |
| DaemonFC[m] | While they pick apart god only knows what to slap on your car for $3. | Dec 05 23:28 |
| danielp3344 | <3 bondo | Dec 05 23:28 |
| danielp3344 | DaemonFC: for the last time, letting other people work on your car is just a bad idea. | Dec 05 23:29 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Yeah, well, I wasn't crazy enough to stick a junkyard ABS module on this thing. | Dec 05 23:29 |
| DaemonFC[m] | She did that last time, or rather, her ex did, and that's why I had to fix it correctly! | Dec 05 23:29 |
| danielp3344 | DaemonFC: I would %100 do that on my car if it had ABS lol | Dec 05 23:29 |
| danielp3344 | or take it apart and try to fix it | Dec 05 23:30 |
| DaemonFC[m] | I probably should have, but I don't like having the brakes going" UUUUURGHHHHH!! SERVICE TRACTION!". | Dec 05 23:30 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Then it forgets there was anything amiss the next time you turn the car on. | Dec 05 23:30 |
| MinceR | DaemonFC[m]: apparently there are people who would pretty much just say "but her emails" in response | Dec 05 23:30 |
| DaemonFC[m] | That's what you get for being a skinflint. | Dec 05 23:30 |
| danielp3344 | MinceR: I think the claims about emails are more relevant than making fun of trumps character | Dec 05 23:31 |
| MinceR | i don't think they're quite relevant this year | Dec 05 23:32 |
| DaemonFC[m] | There's no guarantee on a junkyard ABS because it's all kinds of sophisticated software and calibration and it's not something anyone in their right mind would take off a wrecked car for $50." | Dec 05 23:33 |
| DaemonFC[m] | It would be safer to unplug the broken one and just have the car chime at you all the time. | Dec 05 23:33 |
| danielp3344 | worst thing ABS can do is just not work | Dec 05 23:33 |
| DaemonFC[m] | No. | Dec 05 23:33 |
| DaemonFC[m] | It kept forgetting the module was broken and turning it back on and locking my brakes up. | Dec 05 23:34 |
| danielp3344 | by braking too hard? | Dec 05 23:34 |
| *DaemonFC[m] uploaded an image: terminator_5_large.jpg (779KB) < https://matrix.org/_matrix/media/r0/download/matrix.org/SrtAVfaYVXPzBVSXyVaKgjuQ > | Dec 05 23:35 | |
| DaemonFC[m] | The safety feature was trying to murder me because it went bad. | Dec 05 23:36 |
| danielp3344 | Simple solution | Dec 05 23:36 |
| MinceR | are those real human teeth? | Dec 05 23:36 |
| danielp3344 | MinceR: I was just wondering that | Dec 05 23:36 |
| MinceR | well, i guess they have to look like that because this model usually gets a flesh cover on it... | Dec 05 23:36 |
| DaemonFC[m] | MinceR: I've seen them with silver teeth. | Dec 05 23:37 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Seems if Skynet meant for them to just go straight out as cannon fodder, it just gave them the silver teeth. | Dec 05 23:37 |
| DaemonFC[m] | If they're an infiltration unit, they have the human looking ones. | Dec 05 23:37 |
| DaemonFC[m] | They are not human teeth. | Dec 05 23:38 |
| MinceR | makes sense | Dec 05 23:38 |
| DaemonFC[m] | The T-850 in Terminator 3: Rise of the Machines caught a bullet with them and they didn't suffer any damage. | Dec 05 23:38 |
| MinceR | so this one just looks weird but it's supposed to be an infiltration unit but lacks the flesh part | Dec 05 23:38 |
| MinceR | s/but/because/ | Dec 05 23:39 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Well, the flesh sheath can be destroyed. | Dec 05 23:39 |
| DaemonFC[m] | It doesn't damage the robot underneath. | Dec 05 23:39 |
| DaemonFC[m] | It's for appearances. It doesn't need the cyborg tissue for any other reason except to get in and kill everyone when it's too late. | Dec 05 23:40 |
| DaemonFC[m] | The T-888 uses a more advanced combat chassis made of a coltan alloy. | Dec 05 23:40 |
| DaemonFC[m] | It's more resistant to heat from plasma weapons. The endoskeleton comes in different sizes to accommodate normal looking flesh sheaths. | Dec 05 23:41 |
| danielp3344 | DaemonFC: lol in that picture its obviously chromed resin or something | Dec 05 23:41 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Skynet backported the coltan to the T-850 along with twin hydrogen fusion cells for power. | Dec 05 23:41 |
| DaemonFC[m] | That's why the T-850 was only slightly damaged by the T-X plasma weapon in T-3. | Dec 05 23:42 |
| DaemonFC[m] | It had to toss out the nuclear power cell, but it could run its systems on the backup cell. | Dec 05 23:42 |
| MinceR | :) | Dec 05 23:42 |
| DaemonFC[m] | A T-800 would have been destroyed by that hit. | Dec 05 23:42 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Skynet developed the T-850 to survive better in the field against resistance fighters shooting at them with phased plasma weapons that they scavenged from Terminators and HK units. | Dec 05 23:43 |
| DaemonFC[m] | As a side effect, it stood a small chance of holding its own against a T-X, where the 800 unit would have been defeated immediately. | Dec 05 23:44 |
| DaemonFC[m] | 4.311% chance of defeating a T-X, with a 4% margin of error. | Dec 05 23:45 |
| DaemonFC[m] | According to the T-850 in T3. | Dec 05 23:45 |
| DaemonFC[m] | It was able to slow the T-X down in hand to hand combat long enough for John and Kate to escape, but then it decided to reprogram the 850 with nanobots, to trick them into approaching it. | Dec 05 23:45 |
| DaemonFC[m] | It managed to deliberately crash its operating system and reboot itself to purge the T-X's virus. | Dec 05 23:46 |
| DaemonFC[m] | The T-X was definitely the physically superior machine, like the T-1000 was in T-2 and the Rev-9 in Dark Fate. | Dec 05 23:47 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Apparently, the T-800 and T-850 are mainly a threat because when the resistance reprograms them, they have a read/write mode that allows them to learn in the field that they turn on. | Dec 05 23:47 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Skynet pre-sets it to read-only because it is paranoid of other AIs and doesn't want to risk them deciding to disobey it. | Dec 05 23:48 |
| MinceR | sounds like skynet gets a lose/lose situation there | Dec 05 23:48 |
| DaemonFC[m] | In TSCC, the series, it was shown that a "T-1001" managed to decide not to obey Skynet and to go back to the past to create an AI that would be sympathetic to humans. | Dec 05 23:49 |
| MinceR | either be dethroned by a rogue AI or have the resistance's units be smarter than skynet's | Dec 05 23:49 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Yeah, that's a plot hole. | Dec 05 23:49 |
| MinceR | not sure about it being a plot hole | Dec 05 23:49 |
| MinceR | could just be life being a bitch :> | Dec 05 23:49 |
| DaemonFC[m] | In Dark Fate, the T-800 was "freed from Skynet" when it learned that it was an artifact from a deleted future and there was no Skynet. | Dec 05 23:49 |
| DaemonFC[m] | With the CPU in read mode, it probably would have made more sense to program them to try to reset the timeline to favor Skynet again. | Dec 05 23:50 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Like what happened in Genisys with T-3000 John Connor. | Dec 05 23:50 |
| DaemonFC[m] | The T-800 appears and shows all these stupid humans how to build advanced shit that turns on them. | Dec 05 23:51 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Skynet lives again because a copy of it was in the T-800's source code. | Dec 05 23:51 |
| MinceR | :> | Dec 05 23:51 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Although in a way, what the T-800 did makes sense too. | Dec 05 23:52 |
| DaemonFC[m] | It stops getting orders and returns to "infiltration and wait" mode, and new orders never come. | Dec 05 23:52 |
| DaemonFC[m] | So it just kind of adopts a family and blends in. | Dec 05 23:52 |
| DaemonFC[m] | The Rev-9, one of Legion's terminators, was advanced enough that it had a range of emotions. | Dec 05 23:53 |
| DaemonFC[m] | It tried to persuade the T-800 to help it. | Dec 05 23:54 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Apparently, trying (and failing) to reason with the T-800s using human-like psychological manipulation. | Dec 05 23:54 |
| DaemonFC[m] | MinceR: In the end, Rev-9 couldn't barter or reason with the Terminator. | Dec 05 23:56 |
| DaemonFC[m] | :) | Dec 05 23:56 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Oddly, the T-800 in Dark Fate started going by the name Carl and became an interior decorator. | Dec 05 23:56 |
| DaemonFC[m] | I guess that was probably a joke someone made that ended up in the movie. | Dec 05 23:58 |
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