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MinceR:>Dec 06 00:04
*XRevan86 saw both Terminator films, yet still understands nothing that is being said.Dec 06 00:05
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DaemonFC[m]Both? There were six.Dec 06 00:41
DaemonFC[m]But three if you don't count deleted timelines.Dec 06 00:42
DaemonFC[m]Also, TSCC is deleted too because of Dark Fate.Dec 06 00:42
DaemonFC[m]Instead of being alive in 1999 and escaping the T-888, Cromartie, and time traveling to 2007, John Connor is killed by another T-800 Model 101 that catches up with him and Sarah Connor in 1998.Dec 06 00:42
DaemonFC[m]Which becomes Carl when it realizes Skynet doesn't exist and no more orders are coming from the future.Dec 06 00:43
DaemonFC[m]The series has become hard to follow.Dec 06 00:43
XRevan86DaemonFC[m]: I bet when the next film comes out, there will still be three films in a non-deleted timeline.Dec 06 00:43
DaemonFC[m]The Terminator and T2 really stand by themselves.Dec 06 00:43
DaemonFC[m]The T-800 Model 101 in the first film was very obviously a machine that had no independent thought and was only intelligent in that it figured out how to find and kill people.Dec 06 00:44
DaemonFC[m]It didn't interact with people or talk to them much except to make them go away or steal clothes and weapons from them.Dec 06 00:44
DaemonFC[m]It had no fear of being caught or destroyed.Dec 06 00:45
danielp3344<DaemonFC[m] "The Terminator and T2 really sta"> should I watch them?Dec 06 00:45
DaemonFC[m]It didn't make any attempt to conceal its identity while killing people. Which doesn't make a lot of sense, really.Dec 06 00:45
DaemonFC[m]After taking out an entire police station, there was a manhunt called in for the T-800 over the radio.Dec 06 00:46
DaemonFC[m]And eventually they would have realized that nothing killed it and brought in the military to blow it up.Dec 06 00:46
danielp3344before you spoil the whole thing lolDec 06 00:46
DaemonFC[m]Daniel Peterson: I'd go The Terminator, T2, and then Dark Fate.Dec 06 00:47
DaemonFC[m]If you want to watch the others, then those are "Deleted timelines.".Dec 06 00:47
danielp3344funDec 06 00:47
*danielp3344 was once a huge star wars fanDec 06 00:47
danielp3344recently I had to admit that Disney had finally killed itDec 06 00:47
Hail_Spacecakeit's good to not build your identity on top of being a fan of a mass-market media franchise owned by a multinational corporationDec 06 00:48
DaemonFC[m]You've never seen The Terminator?Dec 06 00:48
danielp3344they removed about %90 of the known universeDec 06 00:48
danielp3344Hail_Spacecake: indeedDec 06 00:48
danielp3344DaemonFC: noDec 06 00:48
DaemonFC[m]It's one of the best Sci-Fi movies.Dec 06 00:49
DaemonFC[m]Things got pretty stupid in T3, but Salvation follows the T3 timeline.Dec 06 00:49
DaemonFC[m]And Salvation was okay.Dec 06 00:49
DaemonFC[m]Genisys is a reboot that failed that ignored T3.Dec 06 00:50
DaemonFC[m]And then Dark Fate ignores everything after T2.Dec 06 00:50
DaemonFC[m]T3 was sort of so-so. Dec 06 00:50
DaemonFC[m]The story was kind of a T-2 retread and the T-X was sort of a T-800/T-1000 hybrid plus built in plasma weapons and inflatable boobs.Dec 06 00:51
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DaemonFC[m]Other than Michael Ironside being in it, I liked Salvation and I think it should have spawned a sequel.Dec 06 00:52
DaemonFC[m]The Terminators in Savlation were all less advanced than the T-800 until a prototype 800 was activated near the end with 1984 Arnold mapped on top of it, which was kind of cool for 2009.Dec 06 00:53
DaemonFC[m]Salvation and TSCC both show the T-600, but they are different. Dec 06 00:54
DaemonFC[m]In the TSCC timeline, the T-600s are human-sized and have synthetic latex skin which might be very effective from a distance in fooling someone.Dec 06 00:54
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DaemonFC[m]In Salvation, the T-600 is this huge monster that you'd never mistake for being human, and most of them have a minigun.Dec 06 00:55
DaemonFC[m]But, the T-800 tore one in half because it was in its way and malfunctioning.Dec 06 00:55
DaemonFC[m]The use of time travel makes everything a mess because the past and the future keeps changing.Dec 06 00:57
DaemonFC[m]But currently, Skynet doesn't exist anymore. T2 timeline wiped it out, but an even worse AI called Legion comes about in 2049 instead.Dec 06 00:57
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DaemonFC[m]Skynet apparently isn't very good at keeping the 800s and later under its control.Dec 06 01:01
DaemonFC[m]The earlier units have no ability to think for themselves.Dec 06 01:01
DaemonFC[m]They're on remote control.Dec 06 01:01
DaemonFC[m]Skynet apparently tried to keep the later models under control in various ways.Dec 06 01:02
DaemonFC[m]It designed some of them with a chip that would burn up if it was removed and exposed to oxygen.Dec 06 01:03
DaemonFC[m]It developed a few T-X models that would hunt down and destroy units that went rogue or were reprogrammed.Dec 06 01:03
DaemonFC[m]The T-X never made sense to me though.Dec 06 01:03
DaemonFC[m]What the hell do you do if those things turn on you?Dec 06 01:03
danielp3344why would they?Dec 06 01:04
danielp3344(excepting the fact that these authors don't understand computers)Dec 06 01:04
DaemonFC[m]Apparently, once you give something intelligence is can eventually turn on you, was the ideaDec 06 01:04
danielp3344just keep them on remote control thenDec 06 01:04
DaemonFC[m]The only way to keep it under control was to force it to not be able to learn anything new.Dec 06 01:05
DaemonFC[m]Which is where the read/write thing came in.Dec 06 01:05
DaemonFC[m]Obviously, it was useful to flip this on a few deep undercover models that would have to blend in with humans for a long time.Dec 06 01:05
DaemonFC[m]Or the feature wouldn't exist.Dec 06 01:05
DaemonFC[m]The flesh sheath is real human flesh. It ages.Dec 06 01:06
DaemonFC[m]The power cell can run a T-850 for over 140 years.Dec 06 01:06
DaemonFC[m]But the flesh will eventually age and die, and it's shown that without proper repairs, they start having mechanical failure.Dec 06 01:07
danielp3344 06 01:07
*danielp3344 droolsDec 06 01:07
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DaemonFC[m]The T-888 was an improved design, both structurally, and the flesh sheath.Dec 06 01:08
danielp3344DaemonFC: can you imagine 750hp in a chevy v6?Dec 06 01:08
danielp3344That would be amazingDec 06 01:08
DaemonFC[m]It uses some sort of organic design that doesn't age.Dec 06 01:08
danielp3344I need to do thatDec 06 01:08
DaemonFC[m]One was shown to be waiting in a building's wall in low power move for over 80 years.Dec 06 01:09
DaemonFC[m]Set to re-activate, bust through the wall, and kill someone in 2010 with a Tommy Gun.Dec 06 01:09
DaemonFC[m]*modeDec 06 01:09
DaemonFC[m]750 horsepower out of a Chevy V6?Dec 06 01:09
danielp3344yeah :DDec 06 01:09
danielp3344I need to do thatDec 06 01:09
DaemonFC[m]Their newer high end ones only have like 480 something.Dec 06 01:10
DaemonFC[m]And that's with turbos and GDI.Dec 06 01:10
danielp3344DaemonFC: I meant my 1988 2.8L oneDec 06 01:10
danielp3344that's what those rods are for anwDec 06 01:10
DaemonFC[m]Maybe if you bore it out and put a turbocharger on it, you might get something out of it.Dec 06 01:12
danielp3344DaemonFC: I actually saw a guy running 500hp on totally stock rods/crankDec 06 01:12
danielp3344turbos are magicDec 06 01:12
DaemonFC[m]You can do almost anything you have the money for.Dec 06 01:14
danielp3344*cheap magicDec 06 01:14
DaemonFC[m]Put aluminum heads on it.Dec 06 01:14
danielp3344nahDec 06 01:14
danielp3344They'd crackDec 06 01:14
danielp3344And I just finished cleaning up the cast iron ones lolDec 06 01:14
DaemonFC[m]Cast iron can crack.Dec 06 01:14
danielp3344I'll port themDec 06 01:14
danielp3344DaemonFC: yeah but it's much strongerDec 06 01:14
danielp3344so unless someone makes billet heads for this engine...Dec 06 01:15
DaemonFC[m]We switched from stainless steel to cast iron flues on the top of the fireplaces I used to assemble. Dec 06 01:15
DaemonFC[m]Bush slapped tariffs on cheap imported steel and it wasn't cheap anymore, so they started making the fuckers out of cast iron.Dec 06 01:16
danielp3344I cant find a forged crank for this engineDec 06 01:16
DaemonFC[m]It was heavy, it increased shipping costs a little, the stuff broke sometimes.Dec 06 01:16
danielp3344I'll just run the stock crank lolDec 06 01:16
DaemonFC[m]It was too heavy for the part that held the flue shut.Dec 06 01:16
DaemonFC[m]So customers started complaining and the company had to spend more money sending people out to their house replacing that part with one of an improved design. I don't know how. The fucking thing was INSTALLED INTO THE HOUSE.Dec 06 01:17
DaemonFC[m]That must have been fun.Dec 06 01:17
DaemonFC[m] dodged the steel tariffs.Dec 06 01:18
DaemonFC[m]Tariffs make no logical sense most of the time.Dec 06 01:18
DaemonFC[m]If China wants to dump subsidies giving us cheap steel that can be recycled over and over again, why are we arguing, exactly?Dec 06 01:18
DaemonFC[m]Special Interests.Dec 06 01:19
DaemonFC[m]US Steel probably slipped Bush a bunch of campaign money, along with "Bad Year" Tire and Rubber.Dec 06 01:19
DaemonFC[m]I fucking hate Goodyear tires.Dec 06 01:20
DaemonFC[m]At least the garbage they sell at Walmart.Dec 06 01:20
DaemonFC[m]AAA actually did a study.Dec 06 01:20
DaemonFC[m]They found that overall, tires that cost twice as much money only improved the stopping distance by about 5% and the acceleration by 2% when they're brand new.Dec 06 01:20
DaemonFC[m]As they age, some of the cheaper ones like Falken ended up taking the lead.Dec 06 01:21
DaemonFC[m]So it's not at all clear that spending more than a certain amount on tires leads to a better overall experience.Dec 06 01:21
DaemonFC[m]It's just throwing thousand dollar bills at the BMW Stealer.Dec 06 01:21
DaemonFC[m]And that's what my sister in law does.Dec 06 01:21
oiaohmIt depends on the tyre.Dec 06 01:21
oiaohmDaemonFC[m]: price is not straight forwards.      Some of the most expensive tyres have crappy construction.Dec 06 01:24
DaemonFC[m]Yeah, it's more like testing the waters to see what they can get away with.Dec 06 01:25
DaemonFC[m]It's a gimmick. The dumbass that goes and pays $1000 for tires. Eh, let him.Dec 06 01:26
DaemonFC[m]You don't necessarily want the cheapest ones either.Dec 06 01:27
DaemonFC[m]But a set of reasonable tires should not be more than about $375-400 with the installation package.Dec 06 01:27
oiaohmchoice australia does proper review right down to mechical construction but you have t pay for the information.Dec 06 01:27
oiaohmSome of their 4x4 tyres for off road were up to 1000 a wheel and be really good.Dec 06 01:28
oiaohmInternal construction made them auto sealing against most minor punchures.Dec 06 01:28
oiaohmIncluding side wall.Dec 06 01:29
oiaohmLike if you are going to compete in the dakar or something like that you might pay for those.Dec 06 01:29
oiaohmSo there are some really good expensive tyres and there are some really expensive total useless crap.Dec 06 01:29
DaemonFC[m]I'm sure that the BMW Stealer charged her a boatload of money for shitty tires and then laughed at her again.Dec 06 01:34
oiaohmDaemonFC[m]: here in Australia we get Goodyear tires from the USA and from Germany.  Please note they are at times meant to be exactly the same model. Dec 06 01:34
DaemonFC[m]This company is worse than Apple.Dec 06 01:34
oiaohmYes the german made ones work.Dec 06 01:34
oiaohmusa ones seam to need the factory works kicked up ass for poor quality control.Dec 06 01:34
DaemonFC[m]The resale value of a used BMW is nothing because they eat you alive in repair bills and the market is flooded with them because nobody wants to drive one with no warranty.Dec 06 01:35
oiaohmI have had a set of usa made goodyear that due to poor steel belt installation in fact went square.Dec 06 01:35
DaemonFC[m]Yeah, the fucking steel belts broke in at least one of the tires on the Impala, and mom ignored that too.Dec 06 01:36
DaemonFC[m]More Badyear tires.Dec 06 01:36
oiaohmInsane looking at a car and seeing 4 conners on the tyres.Dec 06 01:36
DaemonFC[m]Oh, she only ever buys junk.Dec 06 01:36
DaemonFC[m]I'm surprised she didn't have four Douglas tires on her busted hoopty.Dec 06 01:37
oiaohmI have had really good goodyear tyres.Dec 06 01:37
oiaohmJust not USA made ones.Dec 06 01:37
oiaohmHeck I have had the canada made goodyear tyres and they were decent.Dec 06 01:37
oiaohmThere is something critically wrong in the USA factory.Dec 06 01:37
DaemonFC[m]Yeah, the cheap store brand ones at Pep Boys are better than the Badyear ones at your local Fall Apart Supercenter.Dec 06 01:38
DaemonFC[m]Yeah, they don't have to make good tires because they can just pay Trump to make it expensive to compete with tires that function properly.Dec 06 01:38
oiaohmDaemonFC[m]: Dec 06 01:38
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oiaohmwhen you can get proper made goodyears from one of the good factories they are serousally like the second best tyre you can get.Dec 06 01:39
oiaohmNow if they are out the USA factory they can make the cheapest china made tyre look good.Dec 06 01:39
oiaohmOf course a cheap china made tyre really should never look good.Dec 06 01:40
oiaohmDaemonFC[m]: the cheap china tyres are techically bad design.   But they are assembled properly.    The usa goodyears are a great design badly assembled.Dec 06 01:41
oiaohmDaemonFC[m]: goodyear usa I have no problem complain about but not all goodyear factories are bad.Dec 06 01:42
oiaohmDaemonFC[m]: the USA plant I would guess is missing the automated xray machine to make sure tyre is assembled right or usa staff are not bothing to check the results.Dec 06 01:44
danielp3344Real performance tires aren't that cheapDec 06 01:45
oiaohmBasically there is no valid reason for dud tyres to leave a tyre factory these days.   As the proper quality control system should see every tyre made automatically inspected.  Items like bad belt fitting ..Dec 06 01:46
oiaohmshould be detectedDec 06 01:46
danielp3344NT01s can run $800 a setDec 06 01:48
oiaohmdanielp3344:  you would agree even in cheap tyres today you should not be seeing belt failures.Dec 06 01:49
danielp3344Probably notDec 06 01:49
oiaohmUSA made goodyears landing in Australia you see 1/10 with belt issues.Dec 06 01:50
danielp3344But, trashing flawed tires wastes money :PDec 06 01:50
oiaohmOnly waste money if you don't manage to sell them to suckers.Dec 06 01:51
danielp3344exactlyDec 06 01:51
oiaohmThe advances in quality control with tyres have been massive.Dec 06 01:52
oiaohmxray and ultrasound of tires is insanely good at detecting defects.Dec 06 01:52
oiaohmIf you are using that to correct your production like your produce nice constant quality of tyres.Dec 06 01:53
oiaohmlike/lineDec 06 01:53
danielp3344oiaohm: but again, cheap tiresDec 06 01:54
oiaohmOk still only as good as the base design but consumer can expect nice repeatable quality.Dec 06 01:54
danielp3344they aren't as cheap if you have to have good QCDec 06 01:54
oiaohmThe china factories for tyres are using the full automated QC scanning.Dec 06 01:54
oiaohmSo it its quite light on labor in fact performing that QC.Dec 06 01:54
danielp3344but you still dont make money on tires not soldDec 06 01:55
oiaohmThe cost to perform the QC is less than 10 cents per tyre.    Dealing with 1 refund due to a tyre being defective covers qa on a lot of tyres.Dec 06 01:56
oiaohmDoing the good quality control does not in fact cost anything if you look at the big picture.Dec 06 01:57
oiaohmTyre is something that automatically qc very well.Dec 06 01:57
DaemonFC[m]Daniel Peterson: I'm happy with these Definity HP 800s.Dec 06 01:59
DaemonFC[m]Good traction in the rain.Dec 06 01:59
DaemonFC[m]Good handling, stopping distance.Dec 06 01:59
danielp3344Dont ever buy tires with treadwear over 300Dec 06 02:00
DaemonFC[m]Noise is very low for a bargain tire.Dec 06 02:00
DaemonFC[m]These said 400 on them.Dec 06 02:00
danielp3344DaemonFC: do they drift well? :PDec 06 02:00
DaemonFC[m]I don't really see what you're getting at.Dec 06 02:00
DaemonFC[m]I want a safe tire that doesn't spin the fuck out on the snow like those Goodyear pieces of junk did.Dec 06 02:01
danielp3344drifting or treadwear?Dec 06 02:01
DaemonFC[m]Plus they're V tires, which is better than the car came with, apparently.Dec 06 02:01
danielp3344they were unrelatedDec 06 02:01
DaemonFC[m]Treadwear.Dec 06 02:01
danielp3344I've found that over 300 treadwear is unsafe for heavy drivingDec 06 02:01
DaemonFC[m]The Goodyear Viva 2s were blowing out all over the place, so of course my mom got those and ignored the recall.Dec 06 02:02
DaemonFC[m]She ignored the "car catches on fire" recalls from GM too.Dec 06 02:02
DaemonFC[m]Had to go get that fixed.Dec 06 02:02
danielp3344lolDec 06 02:02
DaemonFC[m]I think it might have something to do with her belief that if she prays real hard, nothing bad happens.Dec 06 02:03
DaemonFC[m]She hedged that the last time we spoke of it.Dec 06 02:03
DaemonFC[m]"The bible says it rains on us all."Dec 06 02:03
danielp3344people need to pay more attention to carsDec 06 02:04
DaemonFC[m]I said, "I think you meant to say on the just and on the unjust alike.".Dec 06 02:04
DaemonFC[m]"Anyway, it always seems to rain down shit on me, so I didn't feel like praying that the car didn't explode and went and had the free repair done.".Dec 06 02:04
danielp3344if you're going to trust your life to something that will kill you in seconds if it doesn't work right you had better know exactly how it works and what shape it's in.Dec 06 02:05
DaemonFC[m]Rains on the just and unjust alike.Dec 06 02:05
DaemonFC[m]Yeah, tell it to Donald Trump mom.Dec 06 02:05
danielp3344wutDec 06 02:05
DaemonFC[m]He's just about the biggest example of a son of a bitch I can think of.Dec 06 02:05
DaemonFC[m]I'm sure he's crying on a pile of money over how bad stuff happens to him.Dec 06 02:05
danielp3344dont be so hard on TrumpDec 06 02:06
DaemonFC[m]Like the other "inspirational" bible verses, it's something they say to feel better about shit hitting the fan in their own life.Dec 06 02:06
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DaemonFC[m]The thing about sitting there while bad stuff happens and just going along with it is a quality I admire in my food.Dec 06 02:07
danielp3344lolDec 06 02:07
DaemonFC[m]And one that Jeffrey Epstein admired in his 12 year olds.Dec 06 02:08
DaemonFC[m]RMS smiles approvingly.Dec 06 02:08
danielp3344DaemonFC: RMS had nothing to do with thatDec 06 02:08
DaemonFC[m]Anyway, that's what's fucked up about America.Dec 06 02:09
danielp3344(and everywhere else)Dec 06 02:09
DaemonFC[m]People are told that when bad shit happens, take pills, go to church.Dec 06 02:09
DaemonFC[m]Ignore it. Don't do anything real.Dec 06 02:09
DaemonFC[m]That's not how you make problems go away and get one over on your enemies.Dec 06 02:09
DaemonFC[m]Revenge can be pointless or there can be a very good point in revenge.Dec 06 02:10
DaemonFC[m]Revenge with no possible outcome other than having yourself arrested is not wise.Dec 06 02:10
DaemonFC[m]Subtle revenge that is entirely within the system that discourages further bad acts against you can be very wise.Dec 06 02:10
DaemonFC[m]I noticed when I crammed $3,000 in shit and the car I fucked up down my ex's throat he stopped leaving voicemails and harassing my mother.Dec 06 02:11
DaemonFC[m]Probably too busy figuring out how he's going to have to pay back the retirement loan he did it with,.Dec 06 02:12
DaemonFC[m]If he finds $20,000 more just like it, Kia won't repossess it again and sue him.Dec 06 02:12
DaemonFC[m]I found a bunch of diesel truck owners who hate DEF so much they spend thousands removing it.Dec 06 02:21
danielp3344how?Dec 06 02:21
DaemonFC[m]What the hell is so bad about a fluid that costs about $12 every 15,000 miles and doesn't affect your performance anyway?Dec 06 02:21
DaemonFC[m]Do they hate the environment so much that instead of paying $200-300 over the life of the truck that they'll spend $6,000 and void their warranty removing the DEF system?Dec 06 02:22
danielp3344I killed my catalytic converter out of laziness but...Dec 06 02:22
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danielp3344DaemonFC: how do you spend that much...Dec 06 02:22
DaemonFC[m]Oh, and commit a federal offense along the way.Dec 06 02:22
DaemonFC[m]Daniel Peterson: Someone rolled coal on my Kia.Dec 06 02:23
danielp3344I heardDec 06 02:23
DaemonFC[m]So I parked next to him at the supermarket and grabbed a bunch of grocery bags out of the recycling bin and stuffed them down his smokestacks and then threw a brick in each one of them.Dec 06 02:23
danielp3344be niceDec 06 02:23
danielp3344if you saw my truck you might have a similar reaction lolDec 06 02:24
DaemonFC[m]Well, I'm sure he was surprised the next time he went to do that and it all came back up under the hood and went all over him.Dec 06 02:24
danielp3344It steams a ton due to the head gasketDec 06 02:24
DaemonFC[m]And then he had melted grocery bags to clean out of his system.Dec 06 02:24
danielp3344usually gets a good 8ft plume goingDec 06 02:24
DaemonFC[m]I try to make my car as fuel efficient as I can.Dec 06 02:24
DaemonFC[m]Right now I'm getting about 22 mpg out of the Impala.Dec 06 02:25
DaemonFC[m]The gas cap really helped.Dec 06 02:25
danielp3344DaemonFC: he was probably just trying to make powerDec 06 02:25
danielp3344(or just being an idiot, we may never know)Dec 06 02:25
DaemonFC[m]It's still an older and less efficient engine than you'd buy now.Dec 06 02:25
DaemonFC[m]But it's not leaps and bounds worse than the Kia either.Dec 06 02:26
DaemonFC[m]The Kia got about 27 mpg around the city and about 30 or 31 on the highway.Dec 06 02:27
DaemonFC[m]The Eco mode didn't seem to make too much of a difference vs Normal mode, so I just kept it in Normal most of the time.Dec 06 02:28
DaemonFC[m]But I switched to Sport Mode when I was merging onto the freeway and then kicked it back to Normal.Dec 06 02:28
DaemonFC[m]That did result in more power, less fuel economy.Dec 06 02:28
DaemonFC[m]I only used it when I needed it.Dec 06 02:28
DaemonFC[m]For stop and go, you really don't need it.Dec 06 02:28
DaemonFC[m]Daniel Peterson: Engine design has improved somewhat, but the laws of physics haven't changed.Dec 06 02:31
DaemonFC[m]Most of the fuel economy actually comes from reducing the weight of the vehicle.Dec 06 02:31
danielp3344small engines are keyDec 06 02:31
danielp3344also stick shiftsDec 06 02:31
oiaohmYet we want more gadgets in car so increasing weight.Dec 06 02:34
danielp3344I tell you, I want more 60s carsDec 06 02:34
DaemonFC[m]I try to reduce the weight as much as possible.Dec 06 02:41
DaemonFC[m]Those stupid donut tires are just dumb.Dec 06 02:41
danielp3344Stick shiftsDec 06 02:41
danielp3344most are close to %50 lighter than autosDec 06 02:41
DaemonFC[m]Most cars just come with an inflator and a can of fix a flat these days.Dec 06 02:41
danielp3344My transmission weighs just 75lbsDec 06 02:41
DaemonFC[m]Blowouts are pretty rare unless you buy shitty tires and run over the curb with them like my mom does.Dec 06 02:42
danielp3344or venture over the potholes of deathDec 06 02:42
danielp3344seen some pretty good carnage from that hereDec 06 02:42
DaemonFC[m]You want to hear something fucking stupid?Dec 06 02:42
danielp3344alwaysDec 06 02:42
DaemonFC[m]The road looked like they were testing bombs on it, so the city of Waukegan comes out here and starts ripping it up one day.Dec 06 02:43
DaemonFC[m]I think, "Oh good, they're finally going to resurface this horrible street.".Dec 06 02:43
DaemonFC[m]"Looks like they waited about 5 years longer than they should have, but okay."Dec 06 02:43
DaemonFC[m]So I come back and they've cut the worst pieces out and patched about 70% of it with entirely new pavement.Dec 06 02:44
DaemonFC[m]Left the rest. Went home.Dec 06 02:44
danielp3344lolDec 06 02:44
DaemonFC[m]I'm like "Really? You couldn't have just kept going and done the whole road?".Dec 06 02:45
danielp3344A few years ago my uncle completely exploded his tire on a pothole right by our houseDec 06 02:45
oiaohmLeast its not the worst I know of.Dec 06 02:45
danielp3344like, huge bang and car slid across the roadDec 06 02:45
danielp3344and bent rimDec 06 02:45
danielp3344luckily it was steel and they just straightened it outDec 06 02:45
oiaohmSeeing a Semi-trailer flipped over and the cause is that someone fixed the road by putting the road camber.Dec 06 02:47
DaemonFC[m]"Whatever ate the car, rims and all, is probably still out watch out!"Dec 06 02:47
oiaohmthe wrong way.Dec 06 02:47
DaemonFC[m]Ahhh, this is Illinois...Dec 06 02:47
oiaohmPot holes are bad.   Incorrect cambers can be worse.Dec 06 02:48
oiaohmLike driving down the highway at 100 km/h on a straight section of road and magically having your car lift off the ground and move one lane over.Dec 06 02:48
DaemonFC[m]The weirdest thing I saw was a tractor trailer full of ostriches that turned over and ripped open in Indiana. Dec 06 02:48
oiaohmIe straight into possible head on.Dec 06 02:48
DaemonFC[m]I leaned over to my dad and said "As God as my witness, I thought turkeys could fly!".Dec 06 02:49
DaemonFC[m]He turned purple from laughing so hard.Dec 06 02:49
oiaohmI don't know what one worse ostriches loss on highway or emus.Dec 06 02:50
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-TechrightsBot-tr/ | Difference between BMW fuel system cleaner plus and fuel addictive?Dec 06 03:21
DaemonFC[m]Take Techron, charge 400% for it by slapping "BMW" on it.Dec 06 03:21
DaemonFC[m]Why not?Dec 06 03:22
schestowitzbadgewareDec 06 03:36
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schestowitz 06 05:23
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schestowitz"Dec 06 05:23
schestowitzThis is exactly why some people just don't "get" the difference between open source and free software and understand why they are fundamentally at odds philosophically. Free software exists exactly to allow others to use the software as they see fit.Dec 06 05:23
schestowitzThere is nothing wrong with deploying free software as a service to make money. It is explicitly part of the deal, as long as you share your changes. These DB companies sound like they fundamentally have no business model on which to survive. That's their problem, not the likes of Amazon et alDec 06 05:23
schestowitz"Dec 06 05:23
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schestowitzcubexyz: 06 05:40
schestowitzyesterdayDec 06 05:40
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@JunkScience: Greta the Climate Puppet upon arriving in Lisbon yesterday: "I think people are underestimating the force of angry… 06 06:59
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Zombies Ate Your Neighbors? Tell Everyone Through LoRa! | HackadayDec 06 07:02
schestowitz 06 07:03
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@zoobab: Did some homemade DIY soldering stations for those cheap USB soldering guns, plus a third hand, and some sardine ca… 06 07:03
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schestowitzzoobab: maybe you can assemble a $2000 phoneDec 06 07:03
schestowitz(librem5 "usa"Dec 06 07:03
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MinceR 06 07:17
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | IRCZ makes your life worth living Post objectDec 06 07:17
MinceRi'd rather get a pinephoneDec 06 07:17
schestowitzor 10 of themDec 06 07:22
Hail_SpacecakeI preordered hte libremDec 06 07:23
Hail_Spacecakedidn't know about the pinephone at the timeDec 06 07:23
schestowitzdark humour Dec 06 07:23
schestowitzI think purism just got some fundingDec 06 07:23
schestowitztheir post about it was vague yesterdayDec 06 07:24
schestowitzI hope they ship OKDec 06 07:24
Hail_SpacecakeI want them to succeed. I don't know if they will succeedDec 06 07:24
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schestowitzsame hereDec 06 07:47
schestowitzwhich is why I wrote 2-3 articles about itDec 06 07:47
schestowitzI think it helped get them into higher gear and start deliveringDec 06 07:47
schestowitzpeople wrote to tell me they had lost patienceDec 06 07:48
schestowitzand Purism seems to think it has all the time in the worldDec 06 07:48
schestowitzthis "USA Edition" thing? Q3 2020Dec 06 07:48
schestowitztentative Dec 06 07:48
schestowitzso they might delay furtherDec 06 07:48
schestowitzthis is how people get all cynical about their expected datesDec 06 07:49
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XRevan86DaemonFC[m]: "RMS smiles approvingly." – the person who built his whole philosophy around personal freedom.Dec 06 08:49
schestowitzI'd describe i t differentlyDec 06 08:55
schestowitzwhat you said there sounds like puritan libertariansDec 06 08:55
schestowitzin the US sense/contextDec 06 08:55
schestowitzRMS tackles things from a rather different angleDec 06 08:56
schestowitzand afaik, he's pro regulationDec 06 08:56
schestowitzwhat the right-wing nutcases call or dub "big government"Dec 06 08:56
schestowitzso they can whip their slaves and own their gunsDec 06 08:56
schestowitz(no, NRA isn't pro-gun ownership for blacks)Dec 06 08:56
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XRevan86schestowitz: True, priorities differ.Dec 06 08:58
Hail_Spacecakeschestowitz: yeah they areDec 06 08:59
schestowitzin theoryDec 06 08:59
XRevan86Some want to have control over information about themselves and their things.Dec 06 08:59
schestowitzin principles their members are notDec 06 08:59
schestowitz*porincipleDec 06 08:59
XRevan86Others want the ability to shoot somebody.Dec 06 09:00
Hail_Spacecakethey deliberately market themselves as being pro black american gun ownershipDec 06 09:00
schestowitz:-)Dec 06 09:00
schestowitzMicrosoft says it protects women :-)Dec 06 09:00
Hail_Spacecakewhich is partially an attempt to fight accusations of being racist and partially a sincere principled citizenist stance on gun ownership rightsDec 06 09:01
schestowitzrianne_: 06 09:04
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scientesXRevan86, 06 10:03
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scientes(it is in RUssian)Dec 06 10:04
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amarsh04I'm wondering why I had no response to this post. Usually when I report a bug after git-bisecting I get answers: 06 10:29
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amarsh04the cifs maintainer had previously sent a bunch of updates with inadequate documentation to Linus TorvaldsDec 06 10:29
scientesamarsh04, give it a few daysDec 06 10:40
scientesyou cant expect a response in 24 hoursDec 06 10:40
amarsh04sometimes I've had really quick responsesDec 06 10:41
scienteswell yes computer people are often sitting at their computerDec 06 10:41
scientesso sometimes you get a 5 minute responseDec 06 10:41
scientesthat doesn't mean you should expect thatDec 06 10:42
amarsh04if I knew how to bisect James Bottomley's contribution I could further narrow down the issueDec 06 10:42
scienteswell yeah a merge commit being the offending is super weirdDec 06 10:42
amarsh04some unintended combination of CIFS and SCSI stuffDec 06 10:43
amarsh04I've been very happy with the support on the gpu side from the developers in #radeonDec 06 10:46
amarsh04very patient with stuff that has turned out to just be configuration issuesDec 06 10:47
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amarsh04just tried the CIFS mount / umount on this pc as well and had the same errorDec 06 10:58
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XRevan86scientes: I saw that.Dec 06 11:58
XRevan86scientes: Moronic extremely.Dec 06 11:58
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linuxgirlHi guys :-)  I just saw an article about the FSF:, and then thought to look at the staff list ... seems very off to me that there are 2 acting Vice Presidents but they've put Alexandre right at the bottom of the list. Dec 06 16:21
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | The FSF tech team: doing more for free software — Free Software Foundation — working together for free softwareDec 06 16:21
schestowitzMinceR: the editor?Dec 06 16:22
schestowitzor nevermind?Dec 06 16:22
linuxgirlThe article's rather insensitively saying "Another project that we are very excited about for this year is a long-awaited refresh of Not only will it be restyled, but also easier to browse on mobile devices." Dec 06 16:22
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | Front Page — Free Software Foundation — working together for free softwareDec 06 16:22
schestowitzsame link twice, got me confusedDec 06 16:22
MinceRi meant "never mind the second copy"Dec 06 16:22
linuxgirlI didn't put it in a 2nd time. Dec 06 16:22
schestowitzgot itDec 06 16:22
linuxgirlOdd the quiet about formally choosing a new President, and Alexandre stopped posting on Mastodon early October. Dec 06 16:22
schestowitzlinuxgirl: the very thing many of us ought not useDec 06 16:22
schestowitzspying devicesDec 06 16:23
linuxgirlSomeone's changing things though. Dec 06 16:23
schestowitzI saw a man almost hit by a  car today using it Dec 06 16:23
linuxgirlYes, that's what I thought ... RMS would never want things mobile-friendly. Dec 06 16:23
schestowitzthey should not call it phoneDec 06 16:23
schestowitzphone you hold and speak toDec 06 16:23
linuxgirlYes, people just don't notice the real world, others, life. Dec 06 16:23
schestowitzpeople typo on today's phones, with their movement, speed etc. tracked and logged, with all in/out  trafficDec 06 16:23
linuxgirlExactly, it's a tabletDec 06 16:23
schestowitzmobile-friendly ruins sites for meDec 06 16:24
linuxgirlYes, I leave my old Blackberry Passport off unless having to make a call. Dec 06 16:24
schestowitzI don't use mobileDec 06 16:24
schestowitzthey strip off lots of optionsDec 06 16:24
schestowitzand buttons get too bigDec 06 16:24
linuxgirlYes, mobile friendly often means desktop sites/softwares start to sufferDec 06 16:24
schestowitzit becomes baby GUIDec 06 16:24
linuxgirlYes, I avoid it to the maxDec 06 16:24
schestowitz"my first GUI"Dec 06 16:24
schestowitzWeb 0.1Dec 06 16:24
linuxgirlYes, and too cluttered to use like that ... not good for people's eyesDec 06 16:24
schestowitzno navigation barsDec 06 16:24
schestowitzno breadcrumb trailDec 06 16:24
linuxgirlYes, horrible how kids grow up being plumped in front of some cold screen. Dec 06 16:25
schestowitzetc etcDec 06 16:25
schestowitzi.e. something you'd get an F for a decade ago if you did Web coursesDec 06 16:25
schestowitzbut anyway, that's FSFDec 06 16:25
schestowitztechrights never changed the interface, since the start in 2006Dec 06 16:25
schestowitzit would be a net loss if it didDec 06 16:25
linuxgirlYes, that article definitely sounds like someone's running the show, and not in a way RMS or any of us would like. Dec 06 16:25
schestowitzmore bloat from all sorts of direction and old devices/browsers not being compatibleDec 06 16:26
linuxgirlGood to not change the interface ... nice to have familiar positive things around. Dec 06 16:26
schestowitzsee EFF siteDec 06 16:26
schestowitzit's ruinedDec 06 16:26
schestowitzeven their rss feed become unusableDec 06 16:26
linuxgirlYes ... this odd silence, and these people have no regard for RMS, for Alexandre, for all of the support/donations that people who DO value real privacy/decency have doneDec 06 16:27
linuxgirlWow, if they can't get the RSS feed right! ... Dec 06 16:27
linuxgirlHow rude to put Alexandre's name/bio right at the bottom. Dec 06 16:27
schestowitzbut waitDec 06 16:28
schestowitzif you don't mind me asking as you're apparently new hereDec 06 16:28
linuxgirlA downer, but it was just surprising to see, and to realise they're letting everything just tick along, not even electing a proper anchor (Alex)Dec 06 16:28
schestowitzhave you spoken to fsf about itDec 06 16:28
schestowitze.g. in irc?Dec 06 16:28
linuxgirlI haven't been in their IRC ... I think I haven't done that as I'm so disgusted at how they've treated RMS, and just really don't like them and don't think I'd get through to them. They seem like people who know exactly what they're doing, don't care to share it, and wouldn't listen. I could give it some thought. Dec 06 16:29
schestowitzhaha, maybe they'll close down irc channelsDec 06 16:30
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schestowitzmove to apple istore and get a  disord channel goingDec 06 16:30
linuxgirllol, yes ... I imagine many people have given them a good telling, and I am capable, lol, but I don't think they'd listenDec 06 16:30
schestowitzand Savannah going to GitHub insteadDec 06 16:30
schestowitzgithub is good with mobile, I am guessingDec 06 16:30
schestowitzand it't sleeeekDec 06 16:30
linuxgirlarrrrrggggh ... no, not discord, lol ... no privacy!Dec 06 16:30
linuxgirland apple ... I have to be held back from biffing them, lolDec 06 16:30
schestowitzsarcasm aside, can you quote the part on mobile in FSFDec 06 16:31
schestowitzI overlooked that when I linked to these pagesDec 06 16:31
linuxgirlSavannah?Dec 06 16:31
schestowitzthese people ought not even carry so-called 'smart' phoneDec 06 16:31
linuxgirlI know you were joking, lol. Yes, I'll go get the quote. Dec 06 16:31
schestowitzit gives the wrong idea, sends the wrong message imhoDec 06 16:31
linuxgirlAnother project that we are very excited about for this year is a long-awaited refresh of Not only will it be restyled, but also easier to browse on mobile devices. As our campaigns and licensing teams are eager to create and publish more resources in different formats, we will also work to improve the support for publishingDec 06 16:32
linuxgirlaudio and video files in the site. And to enable you to do more, too, we are also developing a site to organize petitions and collect signatures, so that together we can run more effective grassroots campaigns and fight for the freedom of all computer users.Dec 06 16:32
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | Front Page — Free Software Foundation — working together for free softwareDec 06 16:32
schestowitzmaybe I also ask in their channel myselfDec 06 16:32
schestowitzI'll join #fsfDec 06 16:32
linuxgirlAbsolutely does give the wrong message. Maybe they don't have as much support as they pretend to have, so maybe this stuff won't really take off much. Dec 06 16:33
schestowitzlike linux.comDec 06 16:33
linuxgirllol, wow, you're taking one for the team if you doDec 06 16:34
schestowitzpromoting clown computing, vista10 etc. even listening devicesDec 06 16:34
schestowitzOK GOOGLE!Dec 06 16:34
linuxgirllol!Dec 06 16:34
schestowitz"OK Google, we start the lovemaking, please record and send a copy to the Orange pervert"Dec 06 16:34
linuxgirllolDec 06 16:34
linuxgirlMay I ask if you know how RMS is? Is he doing okay?Dec 06 16:35
schestowitzcan't believe people pay for itDec 06 16:35
schestowitzor give that as giftsDec 06 16:35
linuxgirlyes, wave a carrot and some just run after it, mindlesslyDec 06 16:35
schestowitzmedia pushes for itDec 06 16:36
schestowitzsmart...Dec 06 16:36
schestowitzassistantDec 06 16:36
schestowitzit's scaryDec 06 16:36
schestowitzI spent years lashing out at writers who do thisDec 06 16:36
schestowitzbut they keep on going, they're paid to promote itDec 06 16:37
linuxgirlI think more and more people are getting really fed up with all this artificial/remote/'we have the control' bullDec 06 16:37
linuxgirlthose judas dollars the parrots getDec 06 16:37
schestowitznobody in #fsf has answered me yetDec 06 16:38
linuxgirlyou're in the IRC now?!Dec 06 16:38
linuxgirllolDec 06 16:38
schestowitzthe Swapnil types... of linux.comDec 06 16:38
linuxgirlmay the force be with youDec 06 16:38
linuxgirlthey must be busy on their mobilesDec 06 16:38
schestowitzcareer-climbing corporate writersDec 06 16:38
schestowitzzemlin kept  t he only man who rejects lnux.comDec 06 16:38
linuxgirlif you're in there now, I'll go and join inDec 06 16:38
schestowitzthe mosty docile selloutDec 06 16:38
schestowitzall the rest were firedDec 06 16:39
linuxgirlzemlin should be fired out of a cannon, lolDec 06 16:39
schestowitzkakistocracy in actionDec 06 16:39
schestowitzthe least qualified person left in charge of the siteDec 06 16:39
schestowitzfollowing orders, doing ads as 'articles'Dec 06 16:39
linuxgirlcaki something, lolDec 06 16:39
schestowitznow the FSF alsoDec 06 16:39
schestowitzit's depressingDec 06 16:39
schestowitzbut RMS insists we should still support themDec 06 16:40
schestowitzand he has a pointDec 06 16:40
schestowitzso far Board lost 3 peopleDec 06 16:40
linuxgirlit's so mind-numbingly tedious, all these adverts/cookies/supposed privacy rubbish they try to push down your throat wherever you click ... thank goodness for add-ons etcDec 06 16:40
schestowitzif they appoint someone bad, we will respondDec 06 16:40
linuxgirlthey seem in no rush to appoint anyone, and I think they're trading on that nobody will challenge, or think to ask, so whoever is (john sullivan?) running these changes will just get establishedDec 06 16:41
schestowitzibm is a sponsorDec 06 16:41
DaemonFC[m]"Maybe if you ran it through with every tank of gas for a year, it would do something significant." -ChrisFix on TechronDec 06 16:41
linuxgirleekDec 06 16:41
schestowitzand they have 'ideas'Dec 06 16:41
DaemonFC[m]BMW charges $25 a bottle of this stuff.Dec 06 16:41
MinceRooh, maybe ibm can appoint someoneDec 06 16:41
linuxgirlhmmmmDec 06 16:41
schestowitzi will drop in references, hang onDec 06 16:41
MinceRmaybe lennart poettering himself!Dec 06 16:41
DaemonFC[m]They call it "BMW Fuel System Cleaner Plus".Dec 06 16:41
schestowitzI first want to finish a tux machines postDec 06 16:41
linuxgirlokayDec 06 16:41
schestowitzIBM: 06 16:42
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | Diversity Comes in Many Forms | TechrightsDec 06 16:42
schestowitzOliva: 06 16:42
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | Support Alexandre Oliva as Acting FSF President (Vice President, Interim Co-President) | TechrightsDec 06 16:42
schestowitzhe quit Red Hat just before it became IBMDec 06 16:42
linuxgirlI couldn't believe how fast Red Hat were at the FSF about diversity!Dec 06 16:42
DaemonFC[m]I noticed on those bottles of Chevron Techron, it says "Dirty valve, clean valve"....Stuff like that.Dec 06 16:43
linuxgirlyes, great integrityDec 06 16:43
linuxgirljust what we need in an FSF PresidentDec 06 16:43
DaemonFC[m]But it never says "This is from using Techron." on the clean one.Dec 06 16:43
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DaemonFC[m]I'm sure if there was a lawsuit, this is so they could say, "We never said our product took that dirty valve and made it clean.".Dec 06 16:44
DaemonFC[m]Lawsuits don't necessary discourage bad behavior. They do make corporations more devious in the future.Dec 06 16:45
schestowitz[16:33] <schestowitz> hi, is the site of the FSF going down the road of EFF, being stripped down for spying devices known as "mobile"?Dec 06 16:45
schestowitzno reply in 12 minutesDec 06 16:45
DaemonFC[m]It's clear that Gumout actually does do something, but it's not a miracle in a bottle.Dec 06 16:45
linuxgirlwell saidDec 06 16:46
linuxgirlI'll go and join inDec 06 16:46
oiaohmlinuxgirl:  should not have been any supprise with all the horrible things IBM has done they have been a long term leader on diversity in emplyment.Dec 06 16:46
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Diversity & Inclusion | IBMDec 06 16:46
linuxgirlYes, when I just glanced at IBM's site, on them buying Red Hat, there's more AI there and data 'tools' than I could have imagined. Not a good company at all. Dec 06 16:47
linuxgirlWhich IRC are  you in?Dec 06 16:47
schestowitz /join #fsfDec 06 16:48
schestowitzsans the preceding whitespaceDec 06 16:48
schestowitzoiaohm: I am sure their bullying lawyers are of all races, colours, ages and sexesDec 06 16:49
oiaohmlinuxgirl: IBM being data tools is quite and has been evil lots of times.    census data of Germany world war II uses to round up the jews that was IBM software and hardware. Dec 06 16:49
linuxgirlnot sure if I'm in the right one, lol (as kermit)Dec 06 16:50
linuxgirlmibbit site?Dec 06 16:50
oiaohmIBM diversity program is to attempt to avoid their data tools being abused Dec 06 16:50
schestowitzDec 06 16:51
schestowitz   Dec 06 16:51 - about a minute ago Dec 06 16:51
schestowitz 06 16:51
-TechrightsBot-tr/ they will **thank gnu**, but they wont give a shit what **gnu have to say**. > **As the fight for free software becomes more vital every day in an increasingly tech-dependent world, our generous donors become more important** as well. #ThankGNU to Michael Lewis, René Genz, and Roland Pesch for your support! Dec 06 16:51
oiaohmby at least having someone in house that will get up set if stuff is being used wrong.Dec 06 16:51
linuxgirlYes, I'd read that about IBM. Tech should stay in the tech area, serving people, not getting involved in harming anyone, for sure. Dec 06 16:51
schestowitzoiaohm: wrongDec 06 16:51
schestowitzthey still do itDec 06 16:51
schestowitzfor NYPD for instanceDec 06 16:51
schestowitzracial profilingDec 06 16:51
schestowitzthey panicked when media covered itDec 06 16:52
oiaohmschestowitz: I did not say it worked.Dec 06 16:52
schestowitzthen googlebombed the press for WEEKSDec 06 16:52
oiaohmI said attempt.Dec 06 16:52
linuxgirlYes, IBM are very very much about AI/data mining, all the tools any suspect organisation could wish for. Dec 06 16:52
MinceRred hat also continued their war on unix and free software under ibm ownershipDec 06 16:52
oiaohmlinuxgirl: and if they don't have a tool yet a suspect organization wants you can be sure they are working on it.Dec 06 16:53
linuxgirlYes, not too impressed with Red HatDec 06 16:54
linuxgirlAbsolutely, yes, they'll make sure ... anything to build their companyDec 06 16:54
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oiaohmMind you IBM does normally tell us what they are working on. 06 16:56
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-IBM warns of instant breaking of encryption by quantum computers: 'Move your data today' | ZDNetDec 06 16:56
danielp3344remember, single key systems such as AES are unaffectedDec 06 16:56
schestowitzbecause there are ndasDec 06 16:56
schestowitzthey do nukesDec 06 16:56
schestowitzlots of nuke and spying contractsDec 06 16:56
danielp3344Only public key cryptography is compromisedDec 06 16:56
schestowitzarsenals and suchDec 06 16:56
linuxgirlthat's terrible, them boasting that users will lose their privacyDec 06 16:56
danielp3344so no RSADec 06 16:56
danielp3344linuxgirl: use AESDec 06 16:57
oiaohmI wonder what that will do with the massive stores of encrypted data NSA and china suspects contains stuff of course. Dec 06 16:57
linuxgirlcoolDec 06 16:57
danielp3344There are a few crypto schemes that are immuneDec 06 16:57
oiaohmdanielp3344: are we sure the item not complete yet.Dec 06 16:57
danielp3344oiaohm: yesDec 06 16:57
linuxgirlplenty of time for combatting them with strengthening and developing things they can't breakDec 06 16:57
danielp3344quantum computers are just really good at doing logarithmsDec 06 16:58
danielp3344whereas 'classical' computers suck at itDec 06 16:58
danielp3344many encryption/hash algorithms rely on that factDec 06 16:58
danielp3344the big thing is we need better hashing algorithms for storing passwordsDec 06 16:59
MinceR 06 16:59
linuxgirlfighting the infrastructure (5g/smart etc) matters a lot I think, as the more people refuse that, the harder it is for them to do any of their stuffDec 06 16:59
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-When cars talked using tiny phonograph records: Nissan's Voice Warning system | Get the latest car news, car reviews, auto show updates, and racing news from Autoweek. News for the auto enthusiast.Dec 06 16:59
danielp3344*nixes are generally very secure in this manner, but we need something betterDec 06 16:59
danielp3344linuxgirl: check out 0gDec 06 17:00
danielp3344(#0g on freenode)Dec 06 17:00
linuxgirlyes, thankfully many very clever people at work on fighting thisDec 06 17:00
linuxgirlI'll make a note ... I seem to be not doing too well with getting into other IRCs today, lol, so I'll make a note. Thanks. Dec 06 17:00
MinceRdoes 0g have a website?Dec 06 17:00
danielp3344MinceR: not really...Dec 06 17:01
linuxgirlhadn't heard of 0g ... just looking it upDec 06 17:01
danielp3344 06 17:01
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | ::[FSFLA]:: 0G Manifesto: Escaping the Surveillance Blackhole with Free Mobile ComputingDec 06 17:01
linuxgirlthanks for the linkDec 06 17:02
MinceRah, it's based on wifiDec 06 17:03
linuxgirlso could be intercepted?Dec 06 17:04
MinceRno, the communications are protected by Tor (and possibly other means)Dec 06 17:05
MinceRit made me rethink my old pager-ish ideaDec 06 17:05
linuxgirlthat's coolDec 06 17:06
danielp3344MinceR: at one point we were talking about wifi, I dont think that idea is still plannedDec 06 17:06
oiaohmReally that 0g make me think  serval.Dec 06 17:06
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | The Serval ProjectDec 06 17:06
danielp3344recently there has been discussion about custom radio hardware in unlicensed bandsDec 06 17:07
linuxgirlAlexandre, speaking as a genuine FSF President would ... really good; will read furtherDec 06 17:07
oiaohmserval started here after major fires and cyclones have habit of taking out phone towers.Dec 06 17:07
MinceRi seeDec 06 17:08
linuxgirlI'll need to head off now. Great to chat, guys. :-)Dec 06 17:08
MinceRsee youDec 06 17:08
linuxgirl:-)Dec 06 17:09
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MinceRdanielp3344: it sounds like the base station does not know nor care who the client is thoughDec 06 17:09
MinceRthat's a big difference from the usual cellular networks :>Dec 06 17:09
danielp3344MinceR: it's strictly p2pDec 06 17:10
MinceRunless you meant a p2p mesh network, of courseDec 06 17:10
MinceRahDec 06 17:10
danielp3344we dont have money for towers :PDec 06 17:10
MinceRyeah, i figured it could be tricky to fund base stations that will let anyone on the networkDec 06 17:10
oiaohmdanielp3344: still if 0g group is not looking at serval it would be worth it.   One of the thing serval was working on is base stations that allow uses with just normal wifi to connect and get the software so allowing their device to join the mesh.Dec 06 17:12
MinceRhumanity probably needs a mesh network anywayDec 06 17:12
schestowitz[17:12] <schestowitz> [16:51] <danielp3344> Maybe their celebrating the advent of libre pocketable deivcesDec 06 17:12
schestowitz^ from #fsfDec 06 17:12
schestowitzsince the topic overlaptDec 06 17:12
schestowitz*overlapsDec 06 17:12
danielp3344atm I'm trying to get the serval site to load on my 1995 internetDec 06 17:13
oiaohmMinceR: I would say we need mesh network thinking that at one point half the state of queenland in Australia moible phone towers were rendered useless due to storm damage.Dec 06 17:13
oiaohmThe mobile phones were ok but they are kind of bricks without something other than the phone towers to fall back on.Dec 06 17:14
oiaohmdanielp3344:  basically even if you can afford towers like Australia if you are in a area with bad weather at times they maybe totally not functional anyhow.Dec 06 17:15
MinceRoiaohm: also because the authoritarians are doing everything they can to eliminate all traces of freedom of speech from the InternetDec 06 17:16
oiaohmLets thinking selling point.Dec 06 17:16
DaemonFC[m]It's pretty funny that BMW issued a TSB advising customers with engines that don't run well to run BMW fuel system cleaner through itDec 06 17:17
oiaohmThat the authoritarians cannot argue with.Dec 06 17:17
DaemonFC[m]When it's just 500% more expensive Techron, which ChrisFix proved barely does anything at all.Dec 06 17:17
MinceRi think the authoritarians need to be left out of the loop entirelyDec 06 17:17
MinceRif a mesh network is to succeed, it needs to be made by the people, for the peopleDec 06 17:17
oiaohmMinceR: authoritians normally are the ones that write laws.Dec 06 17:17
DaemonFC[m]At least if they bought Techron, they could get 5 bottles of it at the same price, run it through 5 tanks of gas, and maybe clean some carbon out of the engine.Dec 06 17:17
MinceRoiaohm: laws are not magic, they can be ignoredDec 06 17:18
MinceRalso, part of the mesh network could run on cables between neighborsDec 06 17:18
DaemonFC[m]MinceR: Unless you get caught, and then that's a whole different story. -Carlin.Dec 06 17:18
oiaohmMinceR: And you don't really want to allow them to make it illegal and attempt enfocing that it illegal.Dec 06 17:18
MinceRoiaohm: they'll try anywayDec 06 17:18
MinceRthere's a reason there's so much censorship and surveillance in mainstream communication networksDec 06 17:18
oiaohm If you sell it that is for there own saftey authoritians normally wory about their own neck before anything else.Dec 06 17:19
oiaohmIe the disaster management side sales pitch is so safe.Dec 06 17:19
MinceRthey don't worry enough about itDec 06 17:19
MinceRbut sure, it's worth a tryDec 06 17:19
DaemonFC[m]MinceR: Carlin....Swearing on the bible.Dec 06 17:24
DaemonFC[m]"Can you believe this shit? What kind of primitive voodoo mojo schtick is this, anyway?".Dec 06 17:24
MinceR:>Dec 06 17:24
oiaohmMinceR: really they worry more about it than most think.    Like those that a heavy authoritarians have high odds of paying to live in a gated community because they fear crime and so on.      You can say they have large percentage of coward and attempt to put rules on everything so they feel safe.Dec 06 17:24
DaemonFC[m]MinceR: They asked me "Do you swear to tell the truth?".Dec 06 17:25
MinceRDaemonFC[m]: "fuck yes i do!"Dec 06 17:25
MinceR"...what? you wanted me to swear, didn't you?"Dec 06 17:25
DaemonFC[m]The judge smiled and continued.Dec 06 17:25
DaemonFC[m]I said, "I affirm that I will tell the truth.".Dec 06 17:25
MinceRalso, "fucking voodoo magic, man!"Dec 06 17:26
DaemonFC[m]MinceR: I have to be in court Monday morning.Dec 06 17:27
DaemonFC[m]Hopefully, they release me from the probation like they say they will.Dec 06 17:27
DaemonFC[m]I can't see why they wouldn't. Nobody seems to want this on their desk.Dec 06 17:27
DaemonFC[m]They have all of Lake County to deal with. Easier to just let me go.Dec 06 17:27
DaemonFC[m]The probation officer was actually pretty annoyed.Dec 06 17:28
DaemonFC[m]She's like "Disorderly Conduct? That's barely even a crime.".Dec 06 17:28
DaemonFC[m]Like they were wasting her time.Dec 06 17:28
MinceRmy conduct is usually disorderlyDec 06 17:30
danielp3344DaemonFC: best of luckDec 06 17:30
DaemonFC[m]I'm thinking, "Yeah, I'm just glad that they don't know about the rest of the shit that went on in the last 35 years.".Dec 06 17:30
DaemonFC[m]They knew I was arrested in another state in 2008, but they couldn't see what actually happened other than it was dismissed.Dec 06 17:31
DaemonFC[m]So she asked me what it was about and I said, "It was a misunderstanding, they eventually realized that.".Dec 06 17:31
DaemonFC[m]That was actually worse than this.Dec 06 17:32
DaemonFC[m]I had to go to court ordered "therapy" and say the shit or go to jail.Dec 06 17:32
DaemonFC[m]It was nonsense, and I kept saying it so I wouldn't go to jail. Near the end, I almost believed it myself.Dec 06 17:32
DaemonFC[m]MinceR: The state is right. The state is always right.Dec 06 17:33
DaemonFC[m]The sooner you agree with that, the sooner you can be on your way.Dec 06 17:33
MinceRyeah, rightDec 06 17:33
MinceRdo they accept sarcastic agreement?Dec 06 17:34
DaemonFC[m]MinceR: Yeah, as long as you say that you agree with them.Dec 06 17:35
MinceRi can work with thatDec 06 17:35
DaemonFC[m]I made up a false version of the events that portrayed me as the bad guy.Dec 06 17:36
DaemonFC[m]"Took responsibility" for that.Dec 06 17:36
DaemonFC[m]Then they let me go.Dec 06 17:36
DaemonFC[m]MinceR: The point of MRT is that you're a terrible scumbag and the sooner you admit it, the sooner you're "cured".Dec 06 17:38
DaemonFC[m]You have to "show progress" or they'll report to the court that it isn't "working" and then you really are fucked.Dec 06 17:38
DaemonFC[m]They use MRT on alcoholics.Dec 06 17:39
DaemonFC[m]The state provides them with cheap liquor and then blames them for drinking it when the state makes life terrible for everyone.Dec 06 17:39
DaemonFC[m]It doesn't make much sense to me, but there you have it.Dec 06 17:40
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XRevan86RMS went to RT, it's not like he is picky about the platform where his message is displayed as long as it's not distorted. So I don't think he minds that iOS users can read all about free software with an adapted design. I don't think that a design optimised for small screens is a bad thing. As long as large screens aren't forgotten :-). If they'll ruin design for desktops, then eh.Dec 06 19:31
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schestowitzXRevan86: they can serve one of two versionDec 06 19:57
schestowitzversionsDec 06 19:57
schestowitzbut often it's not done that way over the long run, as one aspect gets neglected or even droppedDec 06 19:57
schestowitzthen they justify the crappy layoutDec 06 19:57
schestowitzit's "clean"Dec 06 19:57
schestowitzit's "simple"Dec 06 19:57
schestowitzwith 10MB of fontsDec 06 19:57
schestowitzso it is only visibly simpleDec 06 19:58
schestowitzand in the back end you might have a spying company with AMPDec 06 19:58
schestowitz 06 19:59
schestowitz"Today, just a quick reading tip for you. Michael Scharnagl posted a great article on Wednesday about when to use Hamburger menus, when not to use them, and what to consider for each decision. And that includes accessibility. "Dec 06 19:59
schestowitzMobile burgersDec 06 19:59
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cybrNautthe next time someone bitches about a website blocking Tor and some asshole says "use a VPN", bring up CVE-2019-14899 06 20:59
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | oss-sec: [CVE-2019-14899] Inferring and hijacking VPN-tunneled TCP connections.Dec 06 20:59
XRevan86schestowitz: I guess time will tell what they have in mind.Dec 06 21:09
XRevan86schestowitz: But being able to work on small screens isn't a bad thing per-se.Dec 06 21:11
MinceRconnect to the VPN through Tor, i guessDec 06 21:12
XRevan86schestowitz: And one can even do it conservatively. has a very simple design that works in lynx et al. (no essential JS), yet it adjusts to small screens fine.Dec 06 21:13
XRevan86Which one can observe in the "Adaptive Design" option in the Firefox' Development menuDec 06 21:13
XRevan86… or really just by resizing a browser window.Dec 06 21:14
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oiaohmcybrNaut:  this is a good rant on CVE.Dec 06 21:54
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Kernel Recipes 2019 - CVEs are dead, long live the CVE! - YouTubeDec 06 21:54
MinceR 06 22:09
oiaohm really fun point in that rant video.Dec 06 22:23
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Kernel Recipes 2019 - CVEs are dead, long live the CVE! - YouTubeDec 06 22:23
oiaohmI guess ubuntu pro will be just as flawed.Dec 06 22:23
MinceRlol @ ubuntu proDec 06 22:40
DaemonFC[m]Skynet's terminators, both in the movies and in the TSCC series are pretty weak compared to Legion.Dec 06 22:40
DaemonFC[m]The T-800 was pretty much torn up by the Rev-9 in no time flat.Dec 06 22:40
DaemonFC[m]In the first movie, the T-800 was fairly unstoppable.Dec 06 22:41
cybrNautoiaohm: mitre are indeed incompetant fools.  i've seen the opposite of what that speaker describes.. that is, Mitre refuses to accept a vulnerability reportDec 06 22:44
cybrNauti'd like to see a "fork" of Mitre, so bugs can be reported even if Apache refuses to admit they have a bugDec 06 22:45
oiaohmcybrNaut: that video has another solution.Dec 06 22:51
oiaohmLets just use git  change ids..Dec 06 22:53
oiaohmNo central party required to issue.  You just apple patch against a git tree hello generated change id that remains stable.Dec 06 22:54
oiaohmapple/applyDec 06 22:54
cybrNautwell that requires patching it.  If I'm an end user (not a dev for the project I'm using), I need a way to report it and runDec 06 22:55
oiaohmOr locating it.Dec 06 22:56
oiaohmCID can be based off known point of introduction of defect.Dec 06 22:56
MinceRand once you have an unique id, you can put it in a DHT...Dec 06 22:58
MinceR(no audio?) 06 22:59
oiaohmMinceR: that video has some audio not that loudDec 06 23:03
MinceRyeah, it probably doesn't matterDec 06 23:04
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*XRevan86 benchmarked arrays with a Levenstein distance algorithm in various languages. What can be interesting is that PyPy performed a lot better than CPython (3s against 1.5m), and so I tried another JIT compiler, but for PHP (or rather a dialect of PHP, Hack): HHVM, maybe this Facebook marvel will make a similiar result for PHP.Dec 06 23:13
XRevan86 06 23:13
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XRevan86The PHP Zend Engine result: 33s, the Hack result: 37s. I tried their new shiny types as well.Dec 06 23:14
oiaohmcybrNaut: Mitre refuses to accept any report not filled in correctly.    If you fill in the report correctly with correct refences you fairly much will get a CVE every single time even for stuff that is not a security fault at all.Dec 06 23:14
XRevan86Why does it work like shit? What's the point then?Dec 06 23:14
oiaohmXRevan86: at this point you should be avoiding doing anything in python2Dec 06 23:15
XRevan86oiaohm: Oh, I accidentally gave the python2 variant. It's done for comparison. I meant 06 23:16
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XRevan86oiaohm: What's peculiar here is that CPython 2.7 does the job in one minute.Dec 06 23:17
oiaohmso the python3 was slightly faster?Dec 06 23:17
XRevan86oiaohm: python3 did it in one minute and 30 secondsDec 06 23:17
XRevan86CPython 3.8Dec 06 23:18
XRevan86I also have one for JS, where SpiderMonkey does the job in 0.85s and V8 in 1.25s: 06 23:19
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XRevan86I really didn't expect them to be this freakishly fast.Dec 06 23:19
oiaohmXRevan86:   io is a lot better in python 3 than python 2.Dec 06 23:20
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XRevan86oiaohm: This isn't io, this is arrays.Dec 06 23:20
XRevan86lists ratherDec 06 23:20
XRevan86Wait, I forgot to reupload the JS version: (slightly better).Dec 06 23:21
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oiaohmLook at that bench numbers python3 does not do its threading as well as python 2 yet.Dec 06 23:22
XRevan86Anyway, 3s from PyPy are neat.Dec 06 23:23
oiaohmXRevan86: what verison PyPy  the python 2 or python 3 version.Dec 06 23:24
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XRevan86oiaohm: py3.6Dec 06 23:24
oiaohmThere are still known major performance issue in mainline python 3 engine.Dec 06 23:25
XRevan86oiaohm: So it could do better? :)Dec 06 23:25
oiaohmOver time the python 3 updates are still coming with performance fix here and there.Dec 06 23:25
oiaohmLot comes from that the unicode work is not as highly optimised and the ansi/hybird mess of python2 was.Dec 06 23:26
oiaohmSo python 3 over time should do better than it doing now.Dec 06 23:26
XRevan86oiaohm: The test is intentionally focused on byte strings only.Dec 06 23:27
cybrNautoiaohm: that's not my experience at all.  I filled out the report in great detail.  Mitre simply listened to Apache, who said "it's by design" and "we say it's not a bug".  Mitre blindly took Apache's side and suppressed the security bugDec 06 23:27
oiaohmcybrNaut: did you have where and when the fault was introduced into the code base.Dec 06 23:31
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cybrNautoiaohm: i didn't even look at the codeDec 06 23:32
oiaohmcybrNaut: did you have where and when the fault was introduced into the code base.   Stupid as it sounds that is in the mitre requirements you have not bisected it you don't stand a chance.Dec 06 23:32
oiaohmIt would not required apache saying no.Dec 06 23:32
cybrNautthe CVE form did not require a SLOC, and I don't think it was even a field on the formDec 06 23:33
oiaohmIts in there how to fill out CVE documentation on what information should be included.Dec 06 23:34
oiaohmIf you don't have source code access to regression hunt to report like a windows one you have to have windows version number when the bug came into existance.Dec 06 23:34
DaemonFC[m]MinceR So last time we were at Aldi, I left an expensive drink tumbler behind.Dec 06 23:34
oiaohmcybrNaut: bysecting windows updates to get that number is a sersous pain in ass as well.Dec 06 23:35
cybrNautthat doesn't make any sense.  Users who discover bugs have no need to even look at the code.  It's not their job.Dec 06 23:35
DaemonFC[m]So my husband asks, "Do you think my tumbler is still here?". I said, "It probably depends on whether Apple told them to get rid of it or not.".Dec 06 23:35
cybrNautsomeone who discovers a bug may not even know now to programDec 06 23:36
XRevan86Another discovery is that on every language that I tried (C, C++, Go, Python, PHP, JS) min() slows things down, except on C and on Go as they don't have it.Dec 06 23:40
XRevan86having two ifs is always bettweDec 06 23:41
XRevan86betterDec 06 23:41
oiaohmcybrNaut: that the thing Mirte/CVE is not designed for end user.   They think end user will be paying a support contract to someone like redhat you report security flaw to them and they will find the location before asking for a CVE.Dec 06 23:42
XRevan86The closest to equality is G++Dec 06 23:42
oiaohmcybrNaut: without having when the fault was introduced at a min how can CVE know what users need to be alerted.   There are limitations in every system.   CID from git is equal in requirements to the existing CVE system without requiring central system to issue.Dec 06 23:45
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