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MinceRall of the EU is pretty toothlessNov 12 00:03
schestowitzsadlyNov 12 00:12
schestowitzhttp://techrights.org/ipfs/txt updated, vZS1Nov 12 00:30
schestowitzI made several  notable improvements, though some would consider them not improvementsNov 12 00:30
schestowitzadjustment of decorations horizontallyNov 12 00:31
schestowitzvertically some spacing addedNov 12 00:31
schestowitzmore use of unicodeNov 12 00:31
schestowitzrecent CIDs indexNov 12 00:31
schestowitzsome bug fixes alsoNov 12 00:31
schestowitzhttp://techrights.org/txt Nov 12 00:32
schestowitztested in fireofx, falkon, bash/cli, kateNov 12 00:32
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sebsebsebMinceR: AppleNov 12 00:32
schestowitzhi, sebsebsebNov 12 00:32
MinceRsebsebseb: DehomagNov 12 00:32
sebsebsebschestowitz: I wasnt going to come here just now but just read something,  and its similar to how i feel part of it Nov 12 00:33
sebsebsebschestowitz: MinceR  stupid pandemic that ruins relationships Nov 12 00:33
sebsebsebhttps://www.reddit.com/r/COVID19_support/comments/gevlaa/this_pandemic_ruined_a_budding_relationship_and_i/Nov 12 00:34
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.reddit.com | This pandemic ruined a budding relationship and I just wanna rant about it : COVID19_supportNov 12 00:34
sebsebsebschestowitz: MinceR  I am in limbo still get feelings for my ex at times, despite all the issues that were,  and cant properly move on currentlly, since things are still generally messed up a lot Nov 12 00:35
schestowitzsebsebseb: in what sense?Nov 12 00:43
schestowitzI suppose if you do not live together, it'll complicate thingsNov 12 00:44
schestowitznot to mention people who hope to be dating other peopleNov 12 00:44
schestowitzthey can even get finedNov 12 00:44
sebsebsebschestowitz: yeah it was the day before lock down and she broke up online etc Nov 12 00:45
sebsebsebschestowitz: covd stuff helped ruin things in the end,  since she thought was just a flue Nov 12 00:46
MinceR(cat) https://img.pr0gramm.com/2020/09/15/c20dcd900fde5f7e.jpgNov 12 00:46
sebsebsebschestowitz: its been months but still get fdeelings at times, things werent meant to end how they did, with a big no contact and not like that Nov 12 00:46
sebsebsebschestowitz: also thigs may of ended by now but it may of been more on my terms otherwuise Nov 12 00:47
schestowitzcovid can also be an excuseNov 12 00:47
sebsebsebor in a more usual way some how Nov 12 00:48
schestowitzfor people to reject unwanted datesNov 12 00:48
schestowitz"i have covid, goodbye... stay away from me"Nov 12 00:48
sebsebsebschestowitz: well she was different from most people in certain ways, and their were issues at times for sure,  but also had good times Nov 12 00:49
schestowitzseems off topic for this channel anywayNov 12 00:49
schestowitztbhNov 12 00:49
sebsebsebschestowitz: no she didnt get covid, or that i kow, she didnt understand that more than just a flue etc, the economy doesnt just mostly close downNov 12 00:49
sebsebsebschestowitz: so yeah I get a ex gf, but I still get Linux, I still have TuxNov 12 00:50
sebsebsebschestowitz: oh Tux has been there for me since 2004 Nov 12 00:50
sebsebsebTux doesnt just disaper on me Nov 12 00:51
sebsebseband he likes to tease MinceR by being used with System D!Nov 12 00:51
MinceRwhat's next? cutting off your ears and nose to tease me?Nov 12 00:52
sebsebsebMinceR: nope Tux wants  to keep those :?)Nov 12 00:52
sebsebsebMinceR: but you can offend him by cutting them off his image in The GIMPNov 12 00:53
sebsebsebBut yes Tux been there for so long, but to be honest,  I am not attracted  to him as much anymore,  I am losing interest in certain ways Nov 12 00:54
sebsebsebMinceR: Apple is  trying to look attractive to MinceRNov 12 00:58
sebsebsebwith the lip stick and everything Nov 12 00:58
MinceRthey're doing it wrongNov 12 00:59
MinceR(audio:important) https://hugelolcdn.com/v/699564.mp4Nov 12 00:59
sebsebsebMinceR: yes roads in the pre pandemic Nov 12 01:00
MinceRalso during the pandemic, in budapestNov 12 01:01
sebsebsebMinceR: roads before we all got put into this well parrel world in certain ways Nov 12 01:01
MinceRalmost everyone pretends there's no pandemic hereNov 12 01:01
MinceRthere was a short period in the spring when the city was almost usableNov 12 01:01
MinceRwell, at least as far as getting to places in a car was concernedNov 12 01:01
sebsebsebMinceR: yes there was a period in the spring with a mostly empty car park around the corner Nov 12 01:02
MinceRrat-lickers were already congregating on street corners so you couldn't avoid the virions spraying out of their pork-trapsNov 12 01:02
sebsebsebMinceR: sadly in tgis new world i am single again Nov 12 01:02
sebsebsebMinceR: and looks like will be for months to come, quite likly years Nov 12 01:03
sebsebsebMinceR: but Tux will still be there for ne if i want him to be uh Nov 12 01:04
oiaohmReally when a relationship ends people always find some third party excuse so its not one of them at fault.Nov 12 01:11
oiaohmYou see the same kind of thing used to attempt explain domestic violence.   Nov 12 01:12
MinceRif someone doesn't want to blame themselves and doesn't want to blame someone they used to love, that's the remaining optionNov 12 01:13
sebsebseboiaohm: oh yeah this one was veery stubborn,  always thought she was right even if she was actually wrong, and coudnt see the other side to things #Nov 12 01:14
oiaohmBut its a dangerous pattern not to accept the possibility that you are at fault. Nov 12 01:14
oiaohmsebsebseb: of course you would not have done everything right either.Nov 12 01:15
MinceRthere are many dangerous patterns in human mindsNov 12 01:15
sebsebseboiaohm: thought i was intentionally annoying her at times even, when actually i said certain things because i cared about her Nov 12 01:15
oiaohmThat got all the marking of communication failure.  Yours and hers communications patterns were not compadible.Nov 12 01:17
sebsebseboiaohm: also had break up threats at times, when she wasnt just gettig some things her way,  and going on about covid a week online didnt helpNov 12 01:17
oiaohmThat 100 percent a releationship you don't want to be in long term.Nov 12 01:17
oiaohmThreats to get ones way is a really bad sign.Nov 12 01:18
sebsebseboiaohm: she had a disability and such too,Nov 12 01:18
sebsebseboiaohm: their were lots of problems in the end , and it wasnt a usual relationship, far from it really,  but rather have some contact with her, than none at  allNov 12 01:19
oiaohmI have worked around disabled first thing you are told don't give them any allowance for bad behaviour because of the disablity.Nov 12 01:19
MinceRhttps://hugelolcdn.com/i/699821.jpgNov 12 01:19
oiaohmEven items like ticks can be corrected with stub treatment.Nov 12 01:20
oiaohmTo a point.Nov 12 01:20
MinceRi correct ticks with a pair of tweezersNov 12 01:20
MinceRexcept in doom3, there i used a machinegun insteadNov 12 01:21
oiaohmYes working in rehabilitation at a time you at times feel like you are a complete ass and then 12 months latter they are thanking you for it because it works.Nov 12 01:21
sebsebseboiaohm: it was nice having her over usuallly, and doing things togetheer,  although she would get eayilly annoyed over the slightest things as things got generally more serious Nov 12 01:21
oiaohmThis is one of these things humans be it female or male always have the idea they can correct the person they have interest in faults as in it will get better.Nov 12 01:22
oiaohmWhen in reality a person can only correct their own faults if they are interested to.Nov 12 01:23
sebsebseboiaohm: yes she might reolise one day that I said certain things at times because i generally cared about her, her general well being etc,  although things that at the time may of not sounded that nice some of  it etc Nov 12 01:23
sebsebseboiaohm: maybe should pm a bit actually :)Nov 12 01:24
oiaohmMore likely she will just find someone who enabled her to keep her bad absustive behavour and need a completely disaster relationship before waking up.Nov 12 01:25
sebsebseboiaohm: i think with the previous guy she had things pretty much her way, but even there things didnt go that well towards the end of that,  hece wanting to start something with me so quickly Nov 12 01:26
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DaemonFC[m]I do like the fact that Wireguard is so small.Nov 12 01:29
schestowitzin Linux it isNov 12 01:31
schestowitzin terms of lines of codeNov 12 01:31
schestowitzbut that does not mean it cannot be bloatedNov 12 01:31
schestowitzor flawedNov 12 01:31
schestowitzit makes it harder to sneak in malicious things into it, undetectedNov 12 01:31
schestowitzbut then you consider Linux bloat and antifeaturesNov 12 01:32
schestowitzincluding DRMNov 12 01:32
schestowitzso you can't really tell what >really< goes on in that kernel, in practice, with binary drivers and firmware and allNov 12 01:32
schestowitzMinceR: cleverNov 12 01:33
schestowitzthe jokeNov 12 01:33
schestowitzthough those most likely to find it offensive won't "get it"Nov 12 01:34
MinceR:>Nov 12 01:34
MinceRthat's the way it usually isNov 12 01:34
schestowitz[00:50] <sebsebseb> schestowitz: oh Tux has been there for me since 2004 Nov 12 01:35
schestowitzTux diedNov 12 01:35
schestowitzit's owned by monopolies nowNov 12 01:35
schestowitzand exploited by the LF as their frontNov 12 01:35
schestowitzbetter to focus on GNU while it lastsNov 12 01:35
schestowitzseeing FSF and FSFE aren't functioning too well as of lateNov 12 01:35
schestowitzMinceR: hurry up, finish up your humourNov 12 01:35
schestowitzsome kids in India have run out of itNov 12 01:36
schestowitzand they're not laughingNov 12 01:36
*XRevan86 is offended by not getting the joke.Nov 12 01:36
XRevan86An offensively hard to get joke.Nov 12 01:36
MinceRhttps://res.cloudinary.com/teepublic/image/private/s--oFfL4-2K--/t_Preview/b_rgb:191919,c_limit,f_jpg,h_630,q_90,w_630/v1522351167/production/designs/2541934_0.jpgNov 12 01:36
schestowitzhumour that offends was a think in the 90sNov 12 01:37
schestowitzit could be done without fearNov 12 01:37
schestowitzand without a black having to be the one using the N word etc.Nov 12 01:37
schestowitznow a lot of potentially funny jokes can be spun as racistNov 12 01:38
schestowitzunless one jokes about one's own raceNov 12 01:38
XRevan86schestowitz: Trump and Arabs are of the same race.Nov 12 01:40
schestowitzhere's the thing about raceNov 12 01:40
schestowitzI don't get itNov 12 01:40
schestowitzneither do geneticistsNov 12 01:40
schestowitzsome say it's a largely man-made concept as is, in the way it's assessdNov 12 01:41
schestowitzyou could talk about genetic deviationsNov 12 01:41
schestowitzbut then again nobody is identicalNov 12 01:41
XRevan86It's a loose clarification that will get less and less useful with time.Nov 12 01:41
MinceRthere's an orange race?Nov 12 01:41
schestowitzand you could assess chromosomes and measures kinship or similarityNov 12 01:41
schestowitzMinceR: in IrelandNov 12 01:41
MinceR:>Nov 12 01:41
schestowitzalso a political partyNov 12 01:41
MinceRi mean with orange skin, not orange hairNov 12 01:42
schestowitzXRevan86: I've just checked the border between n korea and russiaNov 12 01:42
schestowitzI realise the river is the borderNov 12 01:42
schestowitzand you could do 10km runs across the borderNov 12 01:42
schestowitzon the waterside evenNov 12 01:42
schestowitzI wonder if Russians in that area share an east asian kind of lookNov 12 01:42
schestowitzLike some KamchatkansNov 12 01:43
schestowitzor EskimosNov 12 01:43
schestowitzand I wonder why that border even exists. Did China and Russia settle on sharing that border/area?Nov 12 01:43
XRevan86schestowitz: Of course, the native population didn't just vanish.Nov 12 01:43
schestowitzthere must have been some historical disputes over that area, maybe after ww2 when japan recededNov 12 01:44
schestowitzalso, do some n koreans try to cross the river to russia?Nov 12 01:44
XRevan86schestowitz: That I don't know. I do know that North Koreans work in Russia.Nov 12 01:45
DaemonFC[m]I have half a mind to send a letter to "Former" State's Attorney Mike Nerheim telling him "Byeeee". Nothing obscene. Nothing actionable. Just making fun of him on the way out. His term ends in December so I'll send it in a week or two in order to make sure that his office has no time left to pay me any attention.Nov 12 01:46
DaemonFC[m]Just an "I fart in your general direction.".Nov 12 01:47
schestowitzXRevan86: at least you get along with themNov 12 01:47
DaemonFC[m]He really wanted a third term.Nov 12 01:47
DaemonFC[m]His signs and billboards were up all over Lake County.Nov 12 01:47
DaemonFC[m]I was like "Well, he won the yard sign war. People are idiots. They'll probably just vote for him because of this.".Nov 12 01:48
DaemonFC[m]Sometimes I'm wrong, and sometimes when I'm wrong I'm glad that I was wrong.Nov 12 01:48
XRevan86schestowitz: I guess, but I haven't seen any, it's just some areas of the country.Nov 12 01:48
schestowitzthere was a time Israel allowed many Palestinian workers in and I think the US is the same with MexicoNov 12 01:49
schestowitzor wasNov 12 01:49
schestowitzin the UK we're an islandNov 12 01:49
schestowitzso no such situation, except if you count ethnic ghettosNov 12 01:49
schestowitzXRevan86: either way, Biden will help Russia in the sense that it'll end lots of the RussophobiaNov 12 01:50
schestowitz(i think)Nov 12 01:50
DaemonFC[m]There were a lot of people that let Nerheim put a sign in their yard.Nov 12 01:50
schestowitzwe might never know to what degree, if any, Putin and friends helped shape the Web and other things to roll out a red carpet for the US saboteurNov 12 01:50
DaemonFC[m]But it apparently did not reflect his support among actual voters.Nov 12 01:50
schestowitzthe US won't recover in any meaningful way, except the super-rich, who might leaveNov 12 01:51
schestowitzto me, the US is mostly finishedNov 12 01:51
schestowitz71 million voting for NaziNov 12 01:51
DaemonFC[m]I noticed it was mostly businesses that let him plant the big ones in their lawn. Very odd considering the amount of criminals he flat out refused to prosecute.Nov 12 01:51
schestowitzand the economy in the gutter... for like 90% of working or unemployed peopleNov 12 01:51
DaemonFC[m]Including the Burn, Loot, Murder ones.Nov 12 01:51
XRevan86schestowitz: "Russophobia" is a vague term, I see all kinds of things shoved into it including valid concerns and even Russians opposing Putin.Nov 12 01:51
schestowitzXRevan86: DaemonFC[m] is unemployedNov 12 01:52
schestowitzbut not lazyNov 12 01:52
schestowitzlots like himNov 12 01:52
schestowitzwanting to or eager to workNov 12 01:52
schestowitzbut only terrible jobs still availableNov 12 01:52
schestowitzhis parents also, esp. the fatherNov 12 01:52
schestowitzso they vote for FuhrerNov 12 01:52
DaemonFC[m]Dad has had contract jobs since 20 years ago.Nov 12 01:52
DaemonFC[m]He gets on somewhere and the pay is alright but no benefits.Nov 12 01:52
schestowitzRussophobia means different things to different peopleNov 12 01:53
DaemonFC[m]Then he has to go buy terrible and expensive health insurance somewhere.Nov 12 01:53
schestowitzsame with labels like antiAmerican and antiSemitismNov 12 01:53
XRevan86Like the Troll Farm is real and even has an address in St. Petersburg.Nov 12 01:53
DaemonFC[m]So what does he do? Complains about some reforms that made things less awful.Nov 12 01:53
schestowitzsome conflate those with opposing the current party in powerNov 12 01:53
schestowitzor disliking the nationNov 12 01:53
schestowitzor its peopleNov 12 01:53
schestowitzXRevan86: US has those alsoNov 12 01:54
schestowitzmaybe lots more in more countriesNov 12 01:54
DaemonFC[m]I'm no fan of the Affordable Care Act because it is not affordable health care.Nov 12 01:54
schestowitzbut their interference is OK 'coz we're the GOODGUYS(TM)"Nov 12 01:54
DaemonFC[m]But it's what we have and it's less of a disaster than what it replaced.Nov 12 01:54
schestowitzDaemonFC[m]: Biden will fail youNov 12 01:54
schestowitzless than TrumpNov 12 01:54
schestowitzbut get readyNov 12 01:54
DaemonFC[m]And if the Republican lawsuits against it prevailed, we would end up with an economy that's even more in the shitter, and people piling into bankruptcy court like crazy.Nov 12 01:54
schestowitztransition team full of lobbyistsNov 12 01:54
schestowitzbanks, military...Nov 12 01:54
DaemonFC[m]On top of the pandemic stuff.Nov 12 01:55
schestowitzI am HAPPY that Biden wonNov 12 01:55
DaemonFC[m]schestowitz: At least my bankruptcy went through.Nov 12 01:55
schestowitzbut SADNov 12 01:55
schestowitzthat he was the one running against TrumpNov 12 01:55
schestowitzbecause it means not much meaningful change for working peopleNov 12 01:55
XRevan86schestowitz: What I see here is stuff like Radio Freedom, and at least in contemporary Russia they're delivering decent journalism now and then.Nov 12 01:55
DaemonFC[m]Mark rented to us after those assholes at Briarwood Apartments called the police because I asked how I could help them with their "errors".Nov 12 01:55
DaemonFC[m]I say "errors" because those were deliberate in order to deny us housing and to "make it legal".Nov 12 01:56
schestowitzXRevan86: so embolden and support themNov 12 01:56
schestowitzuntil they get poisoned and barely flown to GermanyNov 12 01:56
MinceRhttps://hugelolcdn.com/i/699762.jpgNov 12 01:56
XRevan86I mention it is because Radio Freedom is a US propaganda project.Nov 12 01:56
schestowitzIt can be useful nonethelessNov 12 01:57
schestowitzif it highlights things Russian media is afraid toNov 12 01:57
schestowitzforeign media can help introspectionNov 12 01:58
schestowitzthat's why it's often obstructed under the guise of "foreign agent/cy"Nov 12 01:58
XRevan86It's earth and the heavens compared to the stuff Putin's propaganda pukes out.Nov 12 01:58
schestowitzits goal is to highlight things that are risky to say/show from the insideNov 12 01:58
schestowitzin MINDS there's this nasty user from Russia who defends Putin and his regimeNov 12 01:59
schestowitzhe's also a Trump fanNov 12 01:59
schestowitzand always mocks the targets of Putin's assassination, poisoning, framing, imprisonmentNov 12 01:59
schestowitzMINDS is generally a hive of really nasty peopleNov 12 01:59
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schestowitzmaybe 20% of them (that I see) are OK peopleNov 12 01:59
schestowitzor maybe they're there in bigger numbers albeit quieterNov 12 02:00
XRevan86Maybe it's Shygorin :)Nov 12 02:00
schestowitzyou can get almost nothing of value from social control mediaNov 12 02:00
XRevan86* ShigorinNov 12 02:00
schestowitzhttps://www.minds.com/newsfeed/1166491592029421568?focusedCommentUrn=urn:comment:1166491592029421568:0:0:0:1166497556989587456Nov 12 02:00
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-It was only a matter of time before #AstonVilla loses, ... | MindsNov 12 02:00
schestowitzit's the one in the comment hereNov 12 02:00
schestowitzyou can follow and see timeline of hisNov 12 02:00
schestowitz(or her)Nov 12 02:01
schestowitz*hersNov 12 02:01
XRevan86"Nice arseโ€ฆ but I need love" โ€“ indeed, this person is worth reading.Nov 12 02:02
schestowitzwe need to rebel against social control mediaNov 12 02:02
schestowitzbut I'm not sure howNov 12 02:02
schestowitzwithout participating it in a write-only fashionNov 12 02:02
schestowitzthe web in general is a problemNov 12 02:02
schestowitzit's not created FOR propagandaNov 12 02:03
schestowitzbecause you see where it came fromNov 12 02:03
schestowitzand how it evolvedNov 12 02:03
schestowitzsocial control media used to be myspace, diggNov 12 02:03
schestowitzI think those were hijacked and leveraged by power structuresNov 12 02:03
schestowitzsame for wikipediaNov 12 02:03
schestowitzthey identity their potentialNov 12 02:03
schestowitzand then poison theseNov 12 02:03
schestowitzwe need dweb, text only, encryption etc.Nov 12 02:03
schestowitzthe www isn't giving us thatNov 12 02:04
XRevan86"You're beautiful. I'm ugly. We are a perfect couple. A plus to a minus."Nov 12 02:04
schestowitz"One of the biggest ironies in development is Git being centralised. Not too surprising though, it's what these sorts of assholes always do: Internet decentralises communication, so LE centralises HTTPS, FB centralises the web, GH centralises git." http://techrights.org/wiki/index.php/New_buffer_2:2Nov 12 02:04
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | New buffer 2:2 - TechrightsNov 12 02:04
schestowitz-figNov 12 02:04
XRevan86These are two separate posts, no other context is provided. I think he just likes Inspirational QuotesNov 12 02:04
XRevan86schestowitz: I read a bit of his VK feed, and I think he's a tankie.Nov 12 02:06
schestowitzwho?Nov 12 02:07
schestowitzthe user?Nov 12 02:07
XRevan86https://vk.com/wall207061770_17486 what a twist!Nov 12 02:07
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-americans today in position when :.. | Gaaa Garin | VKNov 12 02:07
XRevan86schestowitz: Yes, this person.Nov 12 02:07
schestowitzahNov 12 02:07
schestowitznot much of valueNov 12 02:08
schestowitzwhich is true for a lot of MINDS BTWNov 12 02:09
schestowitzit got worse over timeNov 12 02:09
schestowitzGAB the sameNov 12 02:09
schestowitzthis parler thing... never checked itNov 12 02:09
schestowitznot even to understand the types thereNov 12 02:09
schestowitzthe web is balkanised nowNov 12 02:09
schestowitzeven in the social control media senseNov 12 02:10
schestowitzso people are only exposed to people they agree withNov 12 02:10
schestowitzand it makes people hate other groups even moreNov 12 02:10
XRevan86Vladivostok is a corrupt and impoverished cityNov 12 02:10
schestowitzis that where he is from?Nov 12 02:11
XRevan86At least this seems to be a real person and not a kremlinbot.Nov 12 02:11
XRevan86schestowitz: Yes, mentioned many times.Nov 12 02:11
schestowitzvexing account nonethelessNov 12 02:11
schestowitzlots of shitposting from himNov 12 02:11
schestowitzin comments left on my posts thereNov 12 02:11
schestowitzalso misogyny Nov 12 02:11
schestowitzwhere I define that as attacking purely on the gender angleNov 12 02:12
schestowitznot the substance... it's OK to 'attack' a female, but not for being a femaleNov 12 02:12
schestowitzwith trumpsters it seems fashionable to just target women for being women and minorities likewiseNov 12 02:12
schestowitzthe pres. does the sameNov 12 02:12
schestowitzin twitter tweetsNov 12 02:12
schestowitzand twitter tolerates this (For him at least)Nov 12 02:12
schestowitzwould be funny if twitter suspends his account jan 20thNov 12 02:13
schestowitzand you can't see him rage-tweetingNov 12 02:13
schestowitzor using press events in the WH as a platformNov 12 02:13
schestowitzas he's more or less mutedNov 12 02:13
XRevan86https://vk.com/photo207061770_456239122 could be a photograph of himNov 12 02:14
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Gaaa's wall photos โ€“ 410 photos | VKNov 12 02:14
XRevan86It's strange for a "Communist" to go for a gender angle but I guess everything's possible with his kind.Nov 12 02:15
MinceR(cat) (audio:unimportant) https://vid.pr0gramm.com/2020/09/15/6a357ebf762d0a00.mp4Nov 12 02:17
schestowitzniceNov 12 02:20
schestowitzXRevan86: looks femaleNov 12 02:20
schestowitzor maybe lad with long hairNov 12 02:20
schestowitzand reebok shirtNov 12 02:20
schestowitzI could crack a joke if it was AdidasNov 12 02:20
XRevan86schestowitz: That's definitely a bloke on the photo. About ~20 years old.Nov 12 02:21
MinceR:>Nov 12 02:21
schestowitzXRevan86: that would explain a lotNov 12 02:21
-viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: Meet Proxmox Backup Server, a Debian-Based Open Source Enterprise Backup Solution โ€ข ๐•‹๐•ฆ๐•ฉ ๐•„๐•’๐•”๐•™๐•š๐•Ÿ๐•–๐•ค โ˜ž http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/144274 [https://pleroma.site/objects/87ce6ebc-8c49-4cc3-b7ea-36ba57509004]Nov 12 02:22
XRevan86schestowitz: I don't see a single hint that he's interested in tech.Nov 12 02:27
XRevan86https://youtu.be/2Eig6lPbBAQ oh, those are his own videos!Nov 12 02:29
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Even republicans want Communism and yet - YouTubeNov 12 02:29
XRevan8612 views, 0 likes, 1 dislikeNov 12 02:31
XRevan86https://youtu.be/g5gKB-iwQkw 8 people saw this very interesting video on the evolution of opinion about the US parties of this person in Vladivostok.Nov 12 02:33
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-I used to like republicans - YouTubeNov 12 02:33
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XRevan86schestowitz: "he's also a Trump fan" โ€“ apparently not anymore :)Nov 12 02:34
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XRevan86Trump lost many cities this election, including Vladivostok.Nov 12 02:35
-viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: Games: Baldurโ€™s Gate, Bridge Constructor, Zniw Adventure โ€ข ๐•‹๐•ฆ๐•ฉ ๐•„๐•’๐•”๐•™๐•š๐•Ÿ๐•–๐•ค โ˜ž http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/144275 [https://pleroma.site/objects/08949838-19dc-48a6-bfd0-c29432f68e84]Nov 12 02:40
XRevan86scientes might find his accent interesting.Nov 12 02:40
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XRevan86Anyway, people like he look at Putin and Lukashenko like on leaders who defend the nation against the neoliberal capital forces. Which is pretty much everyone except them.Nov 12 02:49
XRevan86*like atNov 12 02:50
XRevan86I no longer look at the world through any ideological prism, that can easily be exploited by propaganda to frame even the most banal events as a manifestation of evil.Nov 12 02:53
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XRevan86People like this think that politics work something like that: step #1: apply good ideology; step #2: observe all the problems go away; step #3: defend the good ideology state against the enemies of the nation; step #4: ???; step #5: live happily ever afterNov 12 03:00
XRevan86Steps #2 and step #3 are concurrent.Nov 12 03:01
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MinceR12 033537 < XRevan86> Trump lost many cities this election, including Vladivostok.Nov 12 03:11
MinceRlolNov 12 03:11
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-viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: Airlie: โ€œWhy Sharing Code With Windows Isnโ€™t Always A Winโ€ http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/144271#comment-27123 [https://pleroma.site/objects/759185e6-b3f6-489a-bf0c-58b38a744669]Nov 12 03:24
-viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: Linux in Devices/Embedded and Arduino Open Hardware โ€ข ๐•‹๐•ฆ๐•ฉ ๐•„๐•’๐•”๐•™๐•š๐•Ÿ๐•–๐•ค โ˜ž http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/144279 [https://pleroma.site/objects/6d7e6fda-c994-4353-892e-e9acd8a5012a]Nov 12 03:40
CrystalMathbut surely Nizhny Novgorod still voted for him?Nov 12 03:41
CrystalMathi heard he has some chance of winning Tver as wellNov 12 03:42
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-viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: System76 Lemur Pro thin and light Linux laptop gets Tiger Lake refresh http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/144229#comment-27124 [https://pleroma.site/objects/493903c3-8d0c-4ba0-8dd0-d78a3c11c80e]Nov 12 04:18
-viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: Proxmox Backup Server 1.0 http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/144274#comment-27125 [https://pleroma.site/objects/13d577d8-6be3-488c-9b8a-3bc23469ca95]Nov 12 04:21
schestowitzlast section re LCOC isn't too bad https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oNJCiHE-5XgNov 12 04:22
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Unfettered Freedom, Ep. 11 - High Priority FSF, Linux Ransomware, Best Distros 2020, Gimp, NCoC - YouTubeNov 12 04:22
schestowitz>> The Meduza RSS feed has not been updating (no new items shown, except inNov 12 04:25
schestowitz>> the HTML version) for almost a month.Nov 12 04:25
schestowitz> Ok.  I see that their feed contains only old links from last month.  INov 12 04:25
schestowitz> even checked from their main page.  It is the feed which is stuck:Nov 12 04:25
schestowitz> Nov 12 04:25
schestowitz> https://meduza.io/rss/en/allNov 12 04:25
schestowitz> Nov 12 04:25
schestowitz> I've sent them a mail at their contact address.  It would help if youNov 12 04:25
schestowitz> could too, I think.  Probably a cron job or similar automation wasNov 12 04:25
schestowitz> disabled or not brought forward through some upgrade or change.Nov 12 04:25
schestowitzIIRC, they had the same issue  about a year ago. They never even replied to me.Nov 12 04:25
schestowitz> If people don't demand freedom then tend to lose it? #stallmanwasrightNov 12 04:26
schestowitz> again.Nov 12 04:26
schestowitz> Nov 12 04:26
schestowitz> http://techrights.org/2020/11/11/rms-on-open-source/Nov 12 04:26
schestowitz> <http://techrights.org/2020/11/11/rms-on-open-source/>Nov 12 04:26
schestowitz> Nov 12 04:26
schestowitz> Nobody demands freedom of speech anymore, do they?Nov 12 04:26
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Newly-Published Richard Stallman Video From 2001, Where He is Explaining โ€œOpen Sourceโ€ 3 Years After OSI Was Established | TechrightsNov 12 04:26
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Ariadneschestowitz: we are going to have to move techrights very soon... the owner of the old DC died in a car accident last nightNov 12 05:33
CrystalMaththat's terrible :(Nov 12 05:35
schestowitzoh, noNov 12 05:35
schestowitzhow old was the owner?Nov 12 05:36
Ariadne33Nov 12 05:36
schestowitzthat DC was very reliable, so it was a job well done... wow, that's very youngNov 12 05:36
Ariadnehe was my previous business partner before i went soloNov 12 05:36
schestowitzis the hv destined for the .nl?Nov 12 05:38
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schestowitzI need to get some sleepNov 12 05:48
Ariadneprobably keeping it US side for now as i already have colo in USNov 12 06:05
Ariadnewill move to AMS once iโ€™m over thereNov 12 06:05
Ariadnethis is somewhat urgent so iโ€™ll start working on preparing to move the machinesNov 12 06:05
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vZS1At least people can still read the IPFS versions. I'm maintaining a list of the whole Nov 12 07:24
vZS1I'm maintaining pins of the whole index*Nov 12 07:25
vZS1I'm sorry to hear about the accident.Nov 12 07:27
scientesAMS?Nov 12 07:54
scientesif you mean AWS it is extremely expensiveNov 12 07:54
scientesI never understood why people used Amazon for anythingNov 12 07:54
scientesit is so damn expensiveNov 12 07:54
scientesand always has beenNov 12 07:54
scientesthere is at least 100% mark-up on everythingNov 12 07:54
scientesand they nickle-and-dime you for everythingNov 12 07:55
scientesyou liability is unlimitedNov 12 07:55
scientesfor bandwidth their mark-up is like 10xNov 12 07:55
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schestowitzAriadne: thanks for letting me know to prepare me. The death is so tragic, I really don't know what to say, it's chilling.Nov 12 09:30
XRevan86Ariadne: :(Nov 12 09:31
Ariadnescientes: AMS as in AmsterdamNov 12 09:31
schestowitzAriadne: also, if we already make a migration, it might give us a chance to rebuild properly with containersNov 12 09:31
schestowitzwe're in lockdown here for another 3 weeks so time should not be a major barrier for me, I just need to know in advance when to allocate someNov 12 09:32
Ariadneyes, that is what i am thinkingNov 12 09:34
oiaohmReally after looking at what China and Australia have had to do that they were able to get on  top of covid-19 the current UK lockdown plan  is way too short.Nov 12 09:35
oiaohm12 to 16 weeks of lockdown.   Maybe the UK is crossing finger before 3 weeks are up they will have a vaccine and that reduce the control time.Nov 12 09:36
oiaohmThe big problem with Covid-19 is how long people can be infected and spreading it with no symptoms.Nov 12 09:37
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oiaohmThat 84 days/12weeks is to cover the longest known cases of people having covid-19 and spreading it before showing symtoms.Nov 12 09:38
oiaohmIts possible 16 weeks to be sure.Nov 12 09:39
schestowitzAriadne: let me know if you need a recommendation letter for immigration etcNov 12 09:39
schestowitzI've know you over a decade to some degreeNov 12 09:39
schestowitznenold daysNov 12 09:39
Ariadnebut COVID was supposed to be goneNov 12 09:40
Ariadnetrump said soNov 12 09:40
Ariadne:)Nov 12 09:40
schestowitz"HURD immunity"Nov 12 09:40
schestowitzya herd!Nov 12 09:41
AriadneGNU/HURD immunityNov 12 09:41
schestowitzThe GNU DeclarationNov 12 09:41
schestowitz"Freedom"Nov 12 09:41
schestowitzto spread itNov 12 09:41
oiaohmCovid being class of virus that we only have immunity for roughly 3 months has been nice trouble.Nov 12 09:41
schestowitzBurlington was it?Nov 12 09:41
schestowitzoiaohm: that's what new findings allegeNov 12 09:42
oiaohmwith infected carriers being able to spread it for almost that long documented.Nov 12 09:42
schestowitzpeople have limited time of resistance, that's why some get reinfected.... until they cannot surviveNov 12 09:42
Ariadnethe question is how long the vaccine remains effective forNov 12 09:42
Ariadnei doubt people will get a covid vaccine once a monthNov 12 09:42
schestowitzas long as viagra lastsNov 12 09:42
schestowitz3 hours or so?Nov 12 09:42
oiaohmYou normal flu vaccine is normally only 3 months of protection at best.Nov 12 09:43
oiaohmthe human immune system is very forgotful to most infections.Nov 12 09:43
schestowitzPfizer is enjoying marketing-like 'journalism' this weekNov 12 09:43
vZS1_2Me being an idiot wondering why my hook isn't working on the Pi. Realise bash lives in /bin/bash and not /usr/bin/bash. GDI.Nov 12 09:43
Ariadneanyway i am looking forward to visiting the jellycat factory store in london at some point in the next yearNov 12 09:43
Ariadneby then the pound should be in the toiletNov 12 09:44
oiaohmPfizer mRNA is new tech.Nov 12 09:44
oiaohmThat might have longer than normal protection.Nov 12 09:45
oiaohmAlso being new tech it could horrible kill percentage of the population.Nov 12 09:45
Ariadnei volunteer trump for the trialNov 12 09:46
Ariadnelets see how it goes with himNov 12 09:46
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oiaohmTrump is not in the population class likely to have trouble with vaccines of the mRNA class.Nov 12 09:48
oiaohmIn fact his age group mRNA class vaccines are likely not to work at all.Nov 12 09:49
Ariadneschestowitz: i guess the question is, which site should we migrate first?Nov 12 09:49
schestowitztuxmachines is simpler, I thinkNov 12 09:51
schestowitzbut one of its DBs is the containerNov 12 09:51
schestowitzthe one for Gallery (CMS), not DrupalNov 12 09:52
Ariadnehmm?Nov 12 09:52
Ariadneboth DBs should be in container i thinkNov 12 09:52
schestowitzwe struggled with oneNov 12 09:52
schestowitzreminder: when we attempted this about 4 times Drupal would complain about something in the DB when writing to itNov 12 09:53
vZS1_2Since you're dealing with migration, could you check if there's stuff you can make zipped tarball archives out of? I could pin any zipped archives on IPFS.Nov 12 09:53
schestowitzlikely due to version bump or something like that, I forgot what it was exactly but can look that upNov 12 09:53
vZS1_2Because I doubt any of that old content is going to mutate. Might as well archive it while you're doing maintenance.Nov 12 09:54
schestowitzTechrights has all 3 CMSs with their DBs in the dedicated DB container, we has no trouble migrating thoseNov 12 09:54
Ariadnei don't know anything about IPFS and do not have the time to learnNov 12 09:54
schestowitzit's not affected by a migration of the siteNov 12 09:55
Ariadnehmm, my IPAM system is down because i was hosting it at home in wyomingNov 12 09:55
AriadnewhoopsNov 12 09:55
schestowitzit's totally separate and maintained on another turf (distributed)Nov 12 09:55
vZS1_2Ariadne: If you just throw archives at me (if you get around to it), I can handle the IPFS side of things. I've got access to both our IPFS machines.Nov 12 09:56
Ariadneschestowitz: lucky youNov 12 09:57
vZS1_2In my free time I've been working on automating the whole thing, with Roy. In a couple months, I should have the whole setup automated.Nov 12 09:57
Ariadneschestowitz: you get a brand new never ever used before IP blockNov 12 09:57
schestowitz:-)Nov 12 09:57
Ariadnehopefully in 2 months i don't reallocate thisNov 12 09:57
Ariadnei have made a mental noteNov 12 09:57
Ariadnebut i've heard COVID causes brain damageNov 12 09:57
Ariadneso, never knowNov 12 09:57
Ariadne:PNov 12 09:57
vZS1_2lolNov 12 09:57
schestowitzit did TrumpNov 12 09:58
Ariadnei think that was more the steroids talkingNov 12 09:58
schestowitzIt probably shrank him down there, that's why Melania files for divorceNov 12 09:58
AriadnehmmNov 12 09:58
Ariadne ip address 23.161.112.1/25 secondaryNov 12 09:58
Ariadnei think i can shrink this one downNov 12 09:59
vZS1_2fatal: cannot run .git/hooks/post-commit: No such file or directoryNov 12 09:59
AriadnehackedNov 12 09:59
vZS1_2woops, didn't mean to post thatNov 12 09:59
schestowitzonly remote access scripts and DNS settings are wired for the current server IP addressesNov 12 09:59
schestowitzvZS1_2: which user around?Nov 12 10:00
schestowitzpi, root?Nov 12 10:00
Ariadnealso i fixed sudoersNov 12 10:00
vZS1_2What do you mean by "which user around?"Nov 12 10:00
schestowitz*accountNov 12 10:00
Ariadneby commenting out whatever you did on line 85Nov 12 10:00
schestowitzcheersNov 12 10:00
schestowitzI was trying to add access to the container for my friendNov 12 10:01
vZS1_2If you mean this nick on IRC, I'm on my desktop. The other one is my phone.Nov 12 10:01
schestowitzwhose name you can see thereNov 12 10:01
vZS1_2I haven't logged into the Pi in the whileNov 12 10:01
schestowitzvZS1_2: what's the full path for that file?Nov 12 10:01
vZS1_2That error was from my own PiNov 12 10:02
vZS1_2Don't worry about itNov 12 10:02
vZS1_2I just had it in my clipboard by accident lolNov 12 10:02
schestowitzAriadne: don't forget to bill us for your time at the end, we already owe you someNov 12 10:02
AriadneokNov 12 10:02
Ariadne23.161.112.113/29, .114 container host, .115-.118 containersNov 12 10:03
Ariadne(really it will be on internal network though)Nov 12 10:03
schestowitzcheersNov 12 10:04
schestowitzalpine, right?Nov 12 10:04
Ariadnei'll install alpine as the container host yesNov 12 10:04
schestowitzhv+up to 4 containers on itNov 12 10:04
Ariadneup to infinity containersNov 12 10:04
schestowitzalpine has been so reliable, 2 years uptime, sans the reboot for system update (kernel)Nov 12 10:04
schestowitzyes, sounds good, for hvNov 12 10:05
AriadneokNov 12 10:05
vZS1_2Alpine does what it says on the tin.Nov 12 10:05
schestowitzin case we can already migrate some containers today, let me know if/when to stop posting new stuff (changing databases)Nov 12 10:05
Ariadne(technically i am replacing the physical server with a very big VM on my very big intel xeon gold blade system)Nov 12 10:05
Ariadneit is more power efficientNov 12 10:06
schestowitzgood, as our workloads aren't constantNov 12 10:06
schestowitzpeaking at times, like front page of major sitesNov 12 10:06
schestowitztuxmachines has done 11 hits/secs this past monthNov 12 10:06
schestowitzbut they're not hard on the cpu and don't take up much ram, it's simple drupalNov 12 10:06
Ariadnei have a blade system with each node having 128 cores of cpu eachNov 12 10:07
Ariadneand 512gb ramNov 12 10:07
Ariadnewith shared NVME storageNov 12 10:07
schestowitzmost bloat is wordpress at techrights because of dynamically-generated linksNov 12 10:07
schestowitz(just to keep you aware; it's always wordpress that's the heaviest of all things)Nov 12 10:07
Ariadneso i was just going to provision a VM with like 32 coresNov 12 10:07
Ariadnethe current machine has 8 coresNov 12 10:07
schestowitz29,000 blog posts by DecemberNov 12 10:07
Ariadneso 4x fasterNov 12 10:08
Ariadne;)Nov 12 10:08
schestowitzcurrently, I cannot link directly to techrights from all social mediaNov 12 10:08
schestowitzI split the linking into 3Nov 12 10:08
AriadneyeahNov 12 10:08
Ariadnewe're going to set upNov 12 10:08
Ariadnesome hardcore cachingNov 12 10:08
schestowitzpost from diaspora, wait, then twitter, than pleroma etc.Nov 12 10:08
schestowitz*thenNov 12 10:08
vZS1_2Ariadne: if you feel like you'd like some coffee-table reading, with a hot drink, you can ask Roy for the IPFS howto I wrote up. It really doesn't take much background knowledge.Nov 12 10:08
AriadnevZS1_2: maybe eventually.  IPFS is really interesting to meNov 12 10:09
vZS1_2Maybe around Christmas time. :DNov 12 10:09
schestowitzvZS1_2: for now IPFS only handles stuff from this month onwardsNov 12 10:09
schestowitzthe way it's scripted, it replies on RSS (latest 20 blog posts) to generate the objects every 24 hoursNov 12 10:09
Ariadneshow run int vl 200Nov 12 10:09
AriadneerrNov 12 10:09
vZS1_2Just wanted to bring Ariadne on the same page as us. I'm new here so I still don't know how TR and TM operates.Nov 12 10:09
AriadneIRC is not IOS-XR :)Nov 12 10:09
schestowitzvZS1_2: tuxmachines is older. 2004Nov 12 10:10
schestowitz144,000+ drupal nodesNov 12 10:10
schestowitzmany of the stuff/blogs it links to no longer exist, so it's useful for archival purposes in its own rightNov 12 10:11
vZS1_2I've been putting a lot of effort into making TR content accessible and distributable on low-power machines. I feel like that should be a priority. So far, progress has been very good. We've had great results with all our implementations.Nov 12 10:11
oiaohmschestowitz: upgrading tuxmachines to a static generated site would be a horrible project.Nov 12 10:11
Ariadneyes i don't think it is worthwhileNov 12 10:11
schestowitzoiaohm: no needNov 12 10:11
Ariadneinstead we make wordpress cacheNov 12 10:11
schestowitzoiaohm: it's not CPU heavyNov 12 10:11
Ariadnethe problem is the SQL hitsNov 12 10:12
Ariadnei think that can be optimized with additional indexesNov 12 10:12
Ariadneafaik wordpress does not really use indexesNov 12 10:12
vZS1_2schestowitz: IPFS bw reportNov 12 10:12
vZS1_2In 5.6 GBNov 12 10:12
schestowitzsome articles would need to compute URLs for dozens of different posts from different year, I didn't profile it, but I suspect that's the biggest tollNov 12 10:12
Ariadneunfortunately the person i know who knows everything about wordpress optimization just died in a car accident ;/Nov 12 10:12
vZS1_2Out 3.5 GBNov 12 10:12
Ariadnetook a corner too fast, rolled his truck, out the windscreenNov 12 10:12
vZS1_2:'(Nov 12 10:13
schestowitz:/Nov 12 10:13
XRevan86Ariadne: Of course it does use indices.Nov 12 10:13
AriadneXRevan86: i mean effectivelyNov 12 10:13
schestowitzwith tessier we had varnish in frontNov 12 10:13
Ariadnei am planning to push nginx in frontNov 12 10:14
schestowitzthe wiki isn't too resource-heavy, it's not vast either, several hundreds of pagesNov 12 10:14
schestowitzdrupal side is about 20 pages only (the front page, intro), so that barely counts for anythingNov 12 10:14
schestowitzwith nginx I'd need to learn how to redirect things fast, although we don't have much set up specifically for apache in .htaccessNov 12 10:15
XRevan86schestowitz: A return statement.Nov 12 10:15
vZS1_2Nginx documentation is pretty good. Shouldn't be too hard to find what you need.Nov 12 10:15
Ariadnemy plan was to have each container still have apache inside it for nowNov 12 10:16
schestowitzXRevan86: I did convert thousands of lines of apache into nginx beforeNov 12 10:16
schestowitzthat was years ago for UK's Food Standards AgencyNov 12 10:16
XRevan86If mod_php will no longer be used, then it'd be a vast improvement one way or another :)Nov 12 10:16
Ariadnethe only thing i fucking hate about my new setup isNov 12 10:29
Ariadnetargetcli is awfulNov 12 10:29
Ariadne[5823885.590081] scsi 10:0:0:2: Direct-Access     LIO-ORG  techrights       4.0  PQ: 0 ANSI: 5Nov 12 10:31
AriadnemmmkayNov 12 10:31
Ariadnecreated 1TB of NVME for these containersNov 12 10:31
schestowitz:-DNov 12 10:31
Ariadneover 48G infinibandNov 12 10:31
AriadnefancyNov 12 10:31
Ariadneor if you want to go ENTERPRISE(tm)Nov 12 10:32
Ariadnei have an IBM system z mainframe sitting in the cabinet next to this blade system and SAN shelf ;)Nov 12 10:33
Ariadne*also* running alpineNov 12 10:33
Ariadne:)Nov 12 10:33
Ariadneor to clarify, it is not in a cabinet, it *is* the cabinetNov 12 10:34
schestowitzwow, those must cost like $500,000Nov 12 10:34
AriadnedunnoNov 12 10:34
Ariadnei got mine for 800$Nov 12 10:34
Ariadnethe trump administration decided the government was going INTO THE CLOUDNov 12 10:34
schestowitzmainframe on a budget, $800 lolNov 12 10:34
vZS1_2Is it damp up there?Nov 12 10:34
schestowitzmany businesses take loans to get oneNov 12 10:34
schestowitzwhat does the cloud run?Nov 12 10:35
Ariadnecame with a thinkpad running OS/2Nov 12 10:35
schestowitzsteam is how many cores? vapourNov 12 10:35
vZS1_2I feel so out of touch with this conversation. All I've been working on recently is dweb.Nov 12 10:35
schestowitzthey complain about "big tech"... and then outsource everything to "big tech"Nov 12 10:36
schestowitzsounds like the EU strategy as wellNov 12 10:36
vZS1_2When you look at the cash flow "big tech" can only stay big because of the architectural reliance on server/data farms.Nov 12 10:37
schestowitzand government cashNov 12 10:38
vZS1_2That tooNov 12 10:38
Ariadnethe system z machine is niceNov 12 10:38
schestowitzdon't forget trillions funneled into themNov 12 10:38
Ariadne32 cores at 5.2ghzNov 12 10:38
schestowitzsame situation with weapons makers btwNov 12 10:38
Ariadneeach core is SMT4Nov 12 10:38
schestowitzhundreds of millions of people pay monthly tax... and it ends up somewhere elseNov 12 10:38
schestowitz(+national debt)Nov 12 10:39
Ariadneand that one is a baby compared to most deploymentsNov 12 10:39
vZS1_2schestowitz: weapons manufacturing (not sales) has been undergoing a revolution as well. It's a lot cheaper to make certain arms.Nov 12 10:39
schestowitzoverkill, but we can hope to use that capacity up one day :-)Nov 12 10:39
vZS1_2With affordable manufacturing tools available todayNov 12 10:39
vZS1_2People are milling and printing assault rifles at home.Nov 12 10:40
Ariadneanyway infiniband is coolNov 12 10:40
schestowitzI only ever read about itNov 12 10:41
schestowitzssd speeds on my laptop, first ssd hardware I have, cut down full backup times by like 80%Nov 12 10:41
Ariadnewell these blades are basically brand new from dell :PNov 12 10:41
Ariadnehoping to get a decade of service out of themNov 12 10:42
vZS1_2schestowitz: just don't try archiving anything on SSDsNov 12 10:43
schestowitzdata loss when charge is lost, longtermNov 12 10:44
schestowitzi back up to magneticNov 12 10:44
vZS1_2I still think tape is the best for archivingNov 12 10:44
vZS1_2For long-term storageNov 12 10:45
vZS1_2Especially for stuff that's infrequently accessedNov 12 10:45
schestowitzas long as it's not near lots of "lumber" in CaliforniaNov 12 10:45
vZS1_2I use USB sticks a lot tooNov 12 10:48
vZS1_2Especially for the Git repositories I follow. And my browser bookmarks.Nov 12 10:48
vZS1_2I rsync all that to a USB stick at least once a week.Nov 12 10:48
vZS1_2Even the biggest Git repos I have, like the Linux kernel, only max out at around 2GB.Nov 12 10:52
vZS1_2So you can actually store quite a lot of Git repos on a USB stickNov 12 10:52
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vZS1_2Speaking of the Linux kernel repo, there's an increasing amount of stuff in ""Nov 12 10:55
vZS1_2https://git.kernel.org/pub/scm/linux/kernel/git/torvalds/linux.gitNov 12 10:55
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vZS1_2That has very little to do with the kernel itselfNov 12 10:55
vZS1_2ibm, nvidia, etc and their drivers are part of the repoNov 12 10:55
vZS1_2One would have thought those would belong in separate reposNov 12 10:55
schestowitzvZS1_2: Torvalds no longer knows what goes inNov 12 10:57
schestowitzhe neither codes (he can, but no longer does)Nov 12 10:58
schestowitznor checked codeNov 12 10:58
schestowitz*checksNov 12 10:58
schestowitzmostly communications and code notesNov 12 10:58
schestowitzbut he has other people to check some stuff for himNov 12 10:58
schestowitzthe "bugs are shallow" line is irrelevant nowNov 12 10:58
schestowitzfor linuxNov 12 10:58
schestowitznobody will check 500,000 lines of code added by AMD... other than AMD staffNov 12 10:59
schestowitzand you get binaries with that code in them... on billions of machines, inc. sensitive servers in countries deemed "Enemies" of the USNov 12 10:59
vZS1_2I do "$ git submodules status --recursive" and I get nada. So all that crud is part of the main repo.....Nov 12 10:59
Ariadnein fairness it requires domain expertise to check that codeNov 12 10:59
Ariadne:PNov 12 10:59
vZS1_2Yes, but use submodules, at least.Nov 12 10:59
schestowitzLinux is a party, all code welcomeNov 12 10:59
vZS1_2Why bundle it all into the damn main repo.Nov 12 10:59
schestowitz"we check who you work for, not what you merge"Nov 12 11:00
vZS1_2s/submodules/submoduleNov 12 11:00
schestowitz"amd code, sounds legit"Nov 12 11:00
schestowitzthey even added crypto code from RussiaNov 12 11:00
schestowitzand NSA-connected crypto from GoogleNov 12 11:01
schestowitzweakened for "efficiency"Nov 12 11:01
schestowitzthey told usNov 12 11:01
schestowitzfor "mobileNov 12 11:01
vZS1_2Android drivers are in the repo too btwNov 12 11:01
schestowitzbecause phones don't need >Real< crypto anyway :-)Nov 12 11:01
schestowitz"just enough" encryptionNov 12 11:01
schestowitz"enough" entropy... oh, nope.. stop. STOP... too much entropy... OK, that's better nowNov 12 11:01
vZS1_2154K worth of android driver code in the repo. (That's discounting all the stuff that's linked with it)Nov 12 11:02
schestowitzandroid spies even without the back doorsNov 12 11:02
schestowitz"just what it does"Nov 12 11:02
vZS1_2If you look at the Git Git repoNov 12 11:03
vZS1_2You see 1 submoduleNov 12 11:04
vZS1_2$ cat .gitmodulesNov 12 11:04
vZS1_2[submodule "sha1collisiondetection"]Nov 12 11:04
vZS1_2path = sha1collisiondetectionNov 12 11:04
vZS1_2url = https://github.com/cr-marcstevens/sha1collisiondetection.gitNov 12 11:05
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Ariadneithink we will use xfs for the containersNov 12 11:05
vZS1_2branch = masterNov 12 11:05
vZS1_2schestowitz: look at that. GitHub!Nov 12 11:05
AriadnebtwNov 12 11:05
Ariadneif you thought apk was fast beforeNov 12 11:05
Ariadnetry apk on 10G nicNov 12 11:05
XRevan86Ariadne: reflink=1 ?Nov 12 11:05
vZS1_2Also, last time I checked Git uses CI from Azure.Nov 12 11:06
Ariadnewe are 0.5ms away from kernel.org mirrorsNov 12 11:06
AriadnevZS1_2: the github CI is actually quite niceNov 12 11:06
Ariadnetoo bad it's a microsoft productNov 12 11:06
schestowitzvZS1_2: git is in trouble in some sense. Their release notes link to Microsoft sites.Nov 12 11:06
vZS1_2I've used all the major CI providers in the last few years. I still prefer plain old Git hooks.Nov 12 11:06
schestowitzBy buying github Microsoft also bought key people in a project of TorvaldsNov 12 11:07
schestowitzit had done the same 2 years prior in LF.Nov 12 11:07
vZS1_2I can make Git hooks in any language and ops flow I want.Nov 12 11:07
vZS1_2Why handicap myselfNov 12 11:08
vZS1_2All these CI products are just cost savings for businesses that can't afford competent ops teams.Nov 12 11:08
Ariadnethe reason why github is nice is due to the streamlined contribution flowNov 12 11:09
Ariadneits a nice forge, and more importantly, all the people already are thereNov 12 11:09
vZS1_2That's a sunk cost fallacyNov 12 11:10
Ariadneyes, and noNov 12 11:10
Ariadneit is more "my employer does not see the value in wasting time on managing gitlab"Nov 12 11:10
Ariadnewe did that, it really suckedNov 12 11:10
Ariadneand nobody from outside world signed upNov 12 11:10
vZS1_2From a business point of view, GitHub works. From an autonomy point of view for free software communities, it's a hard pass.Nov 12 11:11
Ariadnefor individuals, it is a different story than commercial FOSSNov 12 11:11
Ariadnein commercial FOSS, github has value that self-hosted forges do not haveNov 12 11:11
Ariadnedon't get me wrong, i don't like that microsoft own github nowNov 12 11:12
vZS1_2I don't disagree with what you're saying.Nov 12 11:12
Ariadnebut you have to pick and choose battlesNov 12 11:12
-viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: Security and Proprietary Software Leftovers โ€ข ๐•‹๐•ฆ๐•ฉ ๐•„๐•’๐•”๐•™๐•š๐•Ÿ๐•–๐•ค โ˜ž http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/144292 [https://pleroma.site/objects/1178e287-8c1d-4306-b446-11080884a206]Nov 12 11:13
vZS1_2youtube-dl is a good example of why FOSS communities should always work in a decentralised manner.Nov 12 11:14
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Ariadnei agreeNov 12 11:14
Ariadnehowever, youtube-dl should have been self-hosting from day 1Nov 12 11:14
Ariadneit's a matter of risk assessmentNov 12 11:14
Ariadneand a federated ecosystem for git forges doesn't exist yetNov 12 11:14
vZS1_2They lack management resources. That's the problem.Nov 12 11:14
vZS1_2Most of these projects can run on a shoddy laptopNov 12 11:15
Ariadneif you could decentralize the eyeballsNov 12 11:15
Ariadnethat would make github obsoleteNov 12 11:15
vZS1_2You don't need a mainframe to run a project with a couple thousand lines of codeNov 12 11:15
Ariadnewhen you are writing code with specific objectives in mind (people using and contrbuting to it), being in a place where eyeballs are is importantNov 12 11:16
vZS1_2Bugzilla existsNov 12 11:16
Ariadneyes, i knowNov 12 11:16
schestowitz[03:41] [Notice] -viera to #boycottnovell-social- Dr. Roy Schestowitz (็ฝ—ไผŠ): #ffmpeg need to #deletegithub ... more so after what #biden MAFIAA + #microsoft did to #youtubeDL https://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=FFmpeg-AV1-NVDEC-Merged [https://pleroma.site/objects/133eb291-1409-427e-8a0e-51643778a527]Nov 12 11:16
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schestowitz[03:43] [Notice] -viera to #boycottnovell-social- Dr. Roy Schestowitz (็ฝ—ไผŠ): Not hard to see or foresee how #biden MAFIAA + #microsoft can spin/twist FFMPEG as #drm 'circumvention' (and then encoding/decoding) tool. #ffmpeg need to #deletegithub ASAP. [https://pleroma.site/objects/c72d3b80-65b2-4d2f-b09d-2b07bd463f85]Nov 12 11:16
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Ariadnebut bugzilla does not have millions of users on a site that allows discovery of your projectNov 12 11:17
Ariadne*discovery* matters a lot more than you assumeNov 12 11:17
schestowitznetwork effect=monopolyNov 12 11:17
vZS1_2And there in lies a misunderstanding. You don't need millions of users for your little projectNov 12 11:17
Ariadnei agreeNov 12 11:17
schestowitzwe need to work against monopoly, not leverage it "to our adventage"Nov 12 11:17
Ariadnehowever, in some scenarios (commercial FOSS), you do need mllions of users in order to keep the checks comingNov 12 11:18
Ariadneand for that, github is pretty greatNov 12 11:18
vZS1_2Again, I'm not talking about business projects hereNov 12 11:18
schestowitzwe need to make it a badge of shameNov 12 11:18
schestowitzas part of the effort to unseat the monopolyNov 12 11:18
vZS1_2I'm talking about non-profit FOSSNov 12 11:18
schestowitzit has been successful in placesNov 12 11:18
schestowitzI saw some projects stepping out of githubNov 12 11:18
vZS1_2So stop mentioning business FOSSNov 12 11:19
schestowitzand new projects choosing to reject itNov 12 11:19
schestowitzbefore they even got "hooked in"Nov 12 11:19
schestowitz"business FOSS" is a misnomerNov 12 11:19
AriadnevZS1_2: many non-profit projects also benefit from github's discovery featuresNov 12 11:19
schestowitz"One of the biggest ironies in development is Git being centralised. Not too surprising though, it's what these sorts of assholes always do: Internet decentralises communication, so LE centralises HTTPS, FB centralises the web, GH centralises git." http://techrights.org/wiki/index.php/New_buffer_2:2Nov 12 11:19
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vZS1_2Well. Those projects can just go and risk getting youtube-dldNov 12 11:20
AriadnevZS1_2: and most importantly, even independent FOSS developers need discovery that forges provide if they want to make working on FOSS their careerNov 12 11:20
schestowitz""Open Source" is a meaningless marketing phrase, but it did have a definition based on the Debian Free Software Guidelines. Today it is used as a bait-and-switch way to promote non-free software, so here is a list of examples." http://techrights.org/wiki/index.php/Proprietary_Open_SourceNov 12 11:20
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schestowitzthose are a day old BTWNov 12 11:20
schestowitzvZS1_2: youtube-DLLd :-)Nov 12 11:21
vZS1_2You keep bringing profit into the equation. I'm talking about non-profit.Nov 12 11:21
Ariadnei'm not bringing profit into the equasionNov 12 11:21
schestowitz[11:20] <Ariadne> vZS1_2: and most importantly, even independent FOSS developers need discovery that forges provide if they want to make working on FOSS their careeraNov 12 11:21
Ariadneindependent FOSS developers still have to eatNov 12 11:21
schestowitzactually,Nov 12 11:21
vZS1_2Either way. I am not changing my mind that GitHub is bad for FOSS.Nov 12 11:21
schestowitzmany employers might value people who can set up gitlab and bugzillaNov 12 11:21
schestowitzmore than some "another one" consumer of Microsoft GitHubNov 12 11:22
vZS1_2Who says you can't know more than one thing at the same time?Nov 12 11:22
schestowitzthink blogpost "blogger" versus wordpress proNov 12 11:22
Ariadneschestowitz: sure, but you can know how to do that and still use github because that's where the eyeballs and users and donation $$$ isNov 12 11:22
schestowitznot sure aboyt donationsNov 12 11:22
schestowitzthey talk about it (they=Microsoft)Nov 12 11:23
schestowitznever heard of a project making much money from itNov 12 11:23
AriadneyesNov 12 11:23
schestowitzit's like the "arctic vault"  marketing badge they now stick in each profikleNov 12 11:23
schestowitzthey sue that taleNov 12 11:23
vZS1_2For the typical person using GitHub, they can just host their own solutions at home, in a totally affordable manner.Nov 12 11:23
schestowitzto distract the mediaNov 12 11:23
Ariadnewell, funding sustainable FOSS development is a complicated topicNov 12 11:23
schestowitzfrom the ICE contract they still keepNov 12 11:23
schestowitzas github employees were quitting in droves back thenNov 12 11:23
schestowitzeven managersNov 12 11:23
Ariadnehowever, my point isNov 12 11:23
Ariadnemore eyeballs = more chance of fundingNov 12 11:24
Ariadneif you do not care about thatNov 12 11:24
schestowitzfunding might not be the goalNov 12 11:24
Ariadnethen, fineNov 12 11:24
schestowitzthe goal is the make good softwareNov 12 11:24
vZS1_2Yes, a shell script you wrote needs funding.Nov 12 11:24
schestowitzi work nights (1-9am) to make a livingNov 12 11:24
Ariadnei work to make a living by writing FOSS (:Nov 12 11:24
schestowitzlots of people are the same, they make freesw outside their workNov 12 11:24
schestowitzif the code is on github, those people work for microsoftNov 12 11:25
schestowitzmaybe >also< for someone elseNov 12 11:25
schestowitzthey cement a monopolyNov 12 11:25
Ariadnein my case, i have managed to align the interests of my customers with creating and maintaining FOSSNov 12 11:25
Ariadneyes, sureNov 12 11:25
schestowitzthat happens too sometimesNov 12 11:25
schestowitzsome code I wrote at work I used elsewhere later (legally)Nov 12 11:25
Ariadnei am just saying there are cases where doing so generates value for the developerNov 12 11:25
Ariadneschestowitz: in my case, i am paid to maintain the FOSS i write (:Nov 12 11:26
Ariadnelike, explicitlyNov 12 11:26
Ariadnethat's what i do for a livingNov 12 11:26
Ariadneand i guess also some fly-by-night network engineeringNov 12 11:26
Ariadnebut i work for a company that produces embedded appliances running on alpineNov 12 11:26
Ariadneand they literally pay me to work full time on alpineNov 12 11:26
vZS1_2Realise that the typical FOSS participant is probably not an IT professional.Nov 12 11:26
vZS1_2And most of those people don't need GitHub and the likeNov 12 11:27
Ariadneit depends on their motivationNov 12 11:27
Ariadneif they want to become an IT professionalNov 12 11:27
Ariadneit helps a lotNov 12 11:27
vZS1_2And they are free to use GitHubNov 12 11:27
vZS1_2But that doesn't mean GitHub is goodNov 12 11:27
Ariadneii never said github as an organization is goodNov 12 11:27
Ariadnei just said they have a nice CI systemNov 12 11:27
vZS1_2You said a lot more than that.Nov 12 11:28
schestowitzrms wrote about power vs freedomNov 12 11:28
schestowitzor choosing something for 'features'Nov 12 11:28
schestowitzover one's autonomyNov 12 11:29
schestowitzso that applies to githubNov 12 11:29
schestowitzmicrosoft didn't even develop itNov 12 11:29
vZS1_2I'm here to make sure people have freedom over their computing. And GitHub is an antithesis to that.Nov 12 11:29
schestowitzgithub took vc money to build up network effectNov 12 11:29
AriadneyesNov 12 11:29
schestowitzmicrosoft was the submarine since 2014Nov 12 11:29
schestowitzambushing itNov 12 11:29
schestowitzand github know, afaikNov 12 11:29
schestowitzgithub even publicly praised microsoftNov 12 11:29
AriadneanywayNov 12 11:29
schestowitzabout how they "contribute" "the most"Nov 12 11:30
schestowitzto githubNov 12 11:30
vZS1_2Decentralisation is the only way to make sure people have freedomNov 12 11:30
schestowitzwhich they had been planning to buy since 6 years agoNov 12 11:30
AriadneagreedNov 12 11:30
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schestowitzthis si a true story, by the way, they admitted itNov 12 11:30
schestowitzmany people missed itNov 12 11:30
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schestowitzhttp://techrights.org/2020/06/15/confessions-of-scott-guthrie/Nov 12 11:30
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schestowitza year after 2014 they started "Microsoft loves Linux"Nov 12 11:30
Ariadnei'm just saying some people and businesses choose to use use github to leverage that network effectNov 12 11:31
schestowitzthan, in 2016, buying the LFNov 12 11:31
schestowitzGitHub was the next stepping stoneNov 12 11:31
schestowitzfor stealing the competition, the usual modus operandiNov 12 11:31
Ariadnestuff like forgefed may become a nice alternative for those usecases thoughNov 12 11:31
vZS1_2That's fine for the businessed and said people. They're free to choose what they wish and leverage the things those choices provide.Nov 12 11:31
Ariadnei'm not saying everyone must use githubNov 12 11:31
Ariadneif you want to toss your git repo on a raspberry pi and host it on your home LAN, go for itNov 12 11:32
schestowitzwe need to encourage people to do thatNov 12 11:32
schestowitzsame for social control media though I think the concept as a whole is flawedNov 12 11:33
vZS1_2That's the only way to remain autonomousNov 12 11:33
Ariadneto encourage people to do that, you need to make it seamlessNov 12 11:33
schestowitzand people gain little from it,except exposure to really Nasty People they'd never meet in personNov 12 11:33
Ariadneforgefed can help with thatNov 12 11:33
Ariadneif you think social control media is badNov 12 11:33
Ariadnetry signing up on these dating platformsNov 12 11:33
Ariadnei did so as an experiment, and discovered that men really love to send dick pics to peopleNov 12 11:34
Ariadne#1 hobby i guessNov 12 11:34
schestowitzeven former NSA dude did thatNov 12 11:34
schestowitzin twitterNov 12 11:34
schestowitzlost his jobNov 12 11:34
Ariadnehdparm is giving me a solid 400MB/s read speed on the techrights VMNov 12 11:35
schestowitzJohn Schindler iircNov 12 11:35
schestowitzwow, that's like... REALLY fastNov 12 11:35
schestowitzfills up a drive in a minuteNov 12 11:35
Ariadnethat's infinibandNov 12 11:35
Ariadne:)Nov 12 11:35
schestowitzfalse advertisingNov 12 11:35
schestowitz400 is nowhere near infinityNov 12 11:35
Ariadnewhat i know isNov 12 11:35
schestowitzlike "infinite bandwidth"Nov 12 11:36
schestowitz"n caps"Nov 12 11:36
Ariadneyou could not pay meNov 12 11:36
schestowitz*noNov 12 11:36
Ariadneto run gitlab ever againNov 12 11:36
schestowitzuntil you hit that cap and they phone youNov 12 11:36
schestowitzgitlab is dual-licensedNov 12 11:36
Ariadneworst admin experience of my lifeNov 12 11:36
vZS1_2Git by itself is sufficientNov 12 11:36
Ariadnei don't know how the alpine sysadmin team does itNov 12 11:36
schestowitzenough of a deterrence, and the company can be sold, already uses MS 'AJJJURe" beforeNov 12 11:36
schestowitz*usedNov 12 11:36
AriadnevZS1_2: for joe blow releasing youtube-dl to the world, sureNov 12 11:37
vZS1_2shestowitz: I've got more Git hooks in the works. Will let you know when they're ready.Nov 12 11:37
schestowitzcheers!Nov 12 11:37
Ariadnefor people who want web-based review etcNov 12 11:37
Ariadnenot reallyNov 12 11:37
Ariadne:)Nov 12 11:37
schestowitzvZS1_2: is that bulletin format ok? amended it last night, even regenerated the file (a second time)Nov 12 11:37
vZS1_2That's what bugtrackers are forNov 12 11:37
schestowitzlongterm GitHub is MS OfficeNov 12 11:38
vZS1_2None of this monolithic nonsense flies in my opsNov 12 11:38
schestowitzit has many featuresNov 12 11:38
schestowitzbut most of them you don't needNov 12 11:38
schestowitzthey impose "upgrades" on youNov 12 11:38
schestowitzthere are compat issuesNov 12 11:38
schestowitzit's proprietaryNov 12 11:38
schestowitzso you might be best off with simpler libreoffice and odf 1.2-2Nov 12 11:38
AriadnevZS1_2: yes, something like phabricator is a good option alongside just gitNov 12 11:38
schestowitzAriadne: like storing data on plain text filesNov 12 11:38
schestowitzthey age better, less hassle to maintain in many casesNov 12 11:38
vZS1_2schestowitz: reading now while having my tea.Nov 12 11:39
schestowitzgithub code = arj files full of 16-bit binariesNov 12 11:39
vZS1_2schestowitz: I think it would help if the "RECENT BULLETINS" had a short timestamp next to them.Nov 12 11:40
schestowitz"Microsoft has my backup" != real backupNov 12 11:40
schestowitzsame for "clown backup"Nov 12 11:40
schestowitzeven if you encrypt itNov 12 11:40
schestowitzyou can lose access to itNov 12 11:40
AriadneXRevan86: what is this reflink=1Nov 12 11:40
schestowitzI keep trying to explain this in simple terms to people, gain control over your digital objects, all of themNov 12 11:40
schestowitzexternal hard drives, even just a pair = NOT expensiveNov 12 11:41
vZS1_2Gamers are the last people who bother buying their own hardwareNov 12 11:41
vZS1_2That's why it's important we draw them inNov 12 11:41
schestowitzand a "phone" that beeps you every 2 minutes 'coz someone LIKED..." isn't helping youNov 12 11:41
vZS1_2Chromebooks et al are going to be the death of computing freedomNov 12 11:41
schestowitzpeople like the sorrow/misery of addiction"Nov 12 11:42
Ariadneschestowitz: actually, for some that does help their mental healthNov 12 11:42
schestowitz"beer helps me, it helps me get calmer"Nov 12 11:42
AriadnerightNov 12 11:42
Ariadne:)Nov 12 11:42
schestowitz"GitHub is practical"Nov 12 11:42
schestowitz"it works"Nov 12 11:42
schestowitz(until it doesn't)Nov 12 11:42
schestowitzone day github will die Nov 12 11:42
AriadneyeahNov 12 11:42
schestowitzand all those bug-related tickets won't be exportableNov 12 11:42
Ariadnehopefully when forgefed replaces itNov 12 11:42
XRevan86Ariadne: XFS supports Copy-on-Write if it's enabled on the mkfs stage.Nov 12 11:42
schestowitzlike linux with its old version control systemNov 12 11:42
Ariadneforgefed is pretty coolNov 12 11:43
schestowitzAriadne: that's why we have viera btwNov 12 11:43
schestowitzsocial control media sites have short lifetimesNov 12 11:43
schestowitztwitter is shrinkingNov 12 11:43
XRevan86Ariadne: Can help with storage and stuff.Nov 12 11:43
AriadneXRevan86: well i have 100tb of storage on the SANNov 12 11:43
schestowitzand it's only like 15 years old, even less considering when it really consolidatedNov 12 11:43
schestowitzAriadne: that's a LOT of pr0nNov 12 11:44
vZS1_2schestowitz: fear not, we have unlimited CI minutes! xDNov 12 11:44
vZS1_2Eat that GitHubNov 12 11:45
schestowitzit ate up many projectsNov 12 11:45
schestowitzI hope for their myspace moment;Nov 12 11:45
schestowitzmurdoch being their microsoft equivalentNov 12 11:45
schestowitzno boss, same as the old boss, goodbyeNov 12 11:46
schestowitzthe tipping point was last year, I thinkNov 12 11:46
schestowitzit's like skypeNov 12 11:46
vZS1_2All our CI will run just fine on the PI btwNov 12 11:46
schestowitzwas almost monopoly when Microsoft bought itNov 12 11:46
schestowitznow? mehNov 12 11:46
vZS1_2I was doing some stress testsNov 12 11:46
vZS1_2Things are looking goodNov 12 11:46
schestowitzSkype is just one of manyNov 12 11:46
schestowitzsame will happen to github in the next few yearsNov 12 11:46
Ariadnesetup-disk -m sys /mntNov 12 11:46
schestowitznews sites like to count only github as the platform to count/measure/assess, but it'll changeNov 12 11:46
vZS1_2Mother, my project has 2k stars on GitHub. I must be famous.Nov 12 11:47
schestowitzsee http://techrights.org/wiki/index.php/Linux_FoundationNov 12 11:47
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schestowitzLF asks you to enter your github account along with nameNov 12 11:48
schestowitzas if to assume all people must have a Microsoft accountNov 12 11:48
schestowitzwhich was tellingNov 12 11:48
vZS1_2The distributed shift is coming. And Microsoft and friends are shitting their pants.Nov 12 11:48
vZS1_2I'm waiting for Microsoft <3 IPFSNov 12 11:49
schestowitzlolNov 12 11:49
schestowitzbtwNov 12 11:49
schestowitzgo to ipfs.ioNov 12 11:49
schestowitzgo to the image of partners etc.Nov 12 11:49
schestowitzit's apngNov 12 11:49
AriadneXRevan86: anyway my reason for xfs for container was due to inodes not being a static numberNov 12 11:49
schestowitz"Azure" is in thereNov 12 11:49
schestowitznothing says "trust us" like Microsoft's logoNov 12 11:49
schestowitzwith RIAA lurkingNov 12 11:49
schestowitzmaybe RIAA will 'camp' in Azure to watch for IPFS 'piracy'Nov 12 11:50
vZS1_2They buy a seat everywhere. Shouldn't be a surprise.Nov 12 11:51
vZS1_2seat(s)*Nov 12 11:51
schestowitzthe embrace phaseNov 12 11:52
schestowitzone finger in each pieNov 12 11:52
schestowitz100 fingers totalNov 12 11:52
vZS1_2lolNov 12 11:53
schestowitzthey did that to apache, osi, countless othersNov 12 11:53
schestowitzblenderNov 12 11:53
schestowitzgodotNov 12 11:53
schestowitzfacebook alsoNov 12 11:53
schestowitz5% stakeNov 12 11:53
schestowitznow they eat up all the facebook dataNov 12 11:53
schestowitzfree access Nov 12 11:53
vZS1_2Thing is, go-ipfs is a working reference implementation. They can't really stop people from using it.Nov 12 11:53
schestowitzmicrosoft is data brokeringNov 12 11:53
schestowitz"Even worse, if you mention the "telemetry" in VSCode, you get a PR barrage of downvotes and comments saying it's "optional" and Microsoft isn't like facebook and they don't depend on data." #microsoft works WITH #facbook !! https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=25027296Nov 12 11:54
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vZS1_2It's like torrents. The technology they can't stop.Nov 12 11:54
schestowitzthey can suppress its useNov 12 11:55
schestowitzthey = front groups like FACT against ISPs, software companies etc.Nov 12 11:55
schestowitzthey shut down megauploadNov 12 11:55
schestowitzbut not box, google, microsoftNov 12 11:55
vZS1_2You can't shut down a P2P networkNov 12 11:55
schestowitzfor offering the same serviceNov 12 11:55
vZS1_2Otherwise Bittorrent would be deadNov 12 11:55
schestowitzsome also block or flag torrentfreak, for merely writing news storiesNov 12 11:56
schestowitzbecause news whose message they don't like it also... 'piracy'.. somehowNov 12 11:56
vZS1_2We should be vigilant, yes. But not too worried.Nov 12 11:56
schestowitzsoon they'll say ipfs is for pedophiles and terror groupsNov 12 11:56
schestowitzwith "evidence"Nov 12 11:56
schestowitzright in the front page of BBCNov 12 11:56
schestowitz"the dark WEB"Nov 12 11:56
vZS1_2I've got snapshots of all the IPFS code and dependencies required to build it. We'll be fine.Nov 12 11:57
vZS1_2Same with my encryption archiveNov 12 11:57
vZS1_2I've got every major library in 3 backupsNov 12 11:57
vZS1_2and made some for my friends tooNov 12 11:57
vZS1_2Includes builds for Linux, OpenBSD, FreeBSD, and NetBSD.Nov 12 11:58
vZS1_2Windows is actually the only one I didn't bother to do.Nov 12 11:58
schestowitzdon'tNov 12 11:59
schestowitzwindows is decliningNov 12 11:59
vZS1_2Yeah. I don't plan to waste my time on that sinking shipNov 12 11:59
schestowitzeven many laptops now come with chromeosNov 12 11:59
schestowitzit's like supporting something that's waningNov 12 11:59
schestowitzlike WIndows ServerNov 12 11:59
schestowitzIIS is dyingNov 12 11:59
schestowitzvery fastNov 12 11:59
vZS1_2It's going to be like COBOLNov 12 11:59
schestowitzlike 2% per month or 25% a yearNov 12 11:59
vZS1_2only will run on legacy business infrastructureNov 12 11:59
schestowitzniche product, no longer maintainedNov 12 11:59
schestowitzmany sites move off iis during the pandemicNov 12 12:00
schestowitzand that means moving off winserver as wellNov 12 12:00
schestowitzsource: netcraftNov 12 12:00
schestowitztechrights wrote about 5 articles about it this yearNov 12 12:00
schestowitzit's nice to see them losing the lucrative (profit) server marketNov 12 12:00
schestowitzthey still lose tons of money on githubNov 12 12:00
vZS1_2Bittorrent is what I look at when I need comfortNov 12 12:00
schestowitzinsiders say azure operates at a loss alsoNov 12 12:00
vZS1_2They tried to kill itNov 12 12:01
vZS1_2BUT IT STILL LIVES!Nov 12 12:01
schestowitzthey laid off azure staffNov 12 12:01
schestowitzgithub: many staff leftNov 12 12:01
schestowitzjust need to be patient Nov 12 12:01
schestowitzand resist the infiltrationsNov 12 12:01
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schestowitzbillg is moving more and more of his time into vaccineNov 12 12:01
schestowitzI guess he saw the writings on the wallNov 12 12:01
Ariadnesee PMNov 12 12:02
schestowitzbezos won the ecommerce warsNov 12 12:02
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vZS1_2Brought to you by taxpayer moneyNov 12 12:02
Ariadne[04:59:12] <schestowitz> even many laptops now come with chromeosNov 12 12:03
Ariadnechromeos really is shite thoNov 12 12:03
vZS1_2ecommerce has a lot of competition.Nov 12 12:03
vZS1_2Amazon is staying afloat thanks to AWSNov 12 12:03
vZS1_2Not the ecommerceNov 12 12:03
vZS1_2Bezos is trying to monopolise logistics. That's the real danger.Nov 12 12:04
vZS1_2Good luck trying to sell stuff if you can't ship/deliver itNov 12 12:04
Ariadnebezos is honestly a larger threat than MSFT at this pointNov 12 12:06
Ariadne1984 and watch dogs were meant to be cautionary talesNov 12 12:07
Ariadnebezos is trying to make the latter a realityNov 12 12:07
Ariadnesee also: ring, etcNov 12 12:07
Ariadneschestowitz: i think we should start with techrights, actually.Nov 12 12:11
schestowitz[12:03] <Ariadne> chromeos really is shite thoNov 12 12:12
schestowitzdrives the cost of windows to non-profit to microsoftNov 12 12:12
schestowitzand they cannot seem to be able to maintain the code anymoreNov 12 12:12
Ariadneyes, but at the cost of end-user freedomNov 12 12:12
schestowitzupdates keep breaking things, sometimes bricking and data loss as a bonusNov 12 12:12
Ariadnechromeos is less free (as in freedom) than windowsNov 12 12:12
schestowitzAriadne: user freedom has long been an issueNov 12 12:12
Ariadnechromeos is entirely locked downNov 12 12:13
schestowitzgoogle isn't worsening that by swapping windows with chromeOS. WE need to replace BOTH.Nov 12 12:13
schestowitzbut draining Microsoft's budget is a good starting pointNov 12 12:13
schestowitzmake NT extinctNov 12 12:13
Ariadnei disagree.  on windows, you can download and run arbitrary programsNov 12 12:13
Ariadneon chromeos, you cannot even do thatNov 12 12:13
Ariadnethat's a signficant downgrade in freedomNov 12 12:13
Ariadneone that *normal users* will understandNov 12 12:14
schestowitz[12:07] <Ariadne> see also: ring, etcNov 12 12:14
schestowitzfire hazardNov 12 12:14
schestowitz[10:33] [Notice] -viera to #boycottnovell-social- Dr. Roy Schestowitz (็ฝ—ไผŠ): โ— NEWS โ— #USAToday #Surveillance โ˜ž Ring recalls 350,000 smart [sic] video doorbells [spying machines that should be outlawed] for potential fire hazard after 23 devices caused property damage https://eu.usatoday.com/story/money/shopping/2020/11/10/ring-vid... [https://pleroma.site/objects/a6e20dbc-9c0e-4a7e-90fd-f0d4680136f2]Nov 12 12:14
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schestowitzI posted about this yesterday as wellNov 12 12:14
Ariadneyes i read about thatNov 12 12:14
Ariadnepretty funnyNov 12 12:14
Ariadnebut google and amazon want to build "smart" citiesNov 12 12:14
Ariadneand if they succeed in thatNov 12 12:14
Ariadnewe all loseNov 12 12:14
schestowitzat least the smart fire alarm might workNov 12 12:14
schestowitzno smart sprinklers yetNov 12 12:15
schestowitzbut you can hear something while the home burns downNov 12 12:15
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schestowitzand you get notifications on your "smart" phoneNov 12 12:15
schestowitz"oh shit"Nov 12 12:15
schestowitz"whatNov 12 12:15
schestowitz"i just got a notification"Nov 12 12:15
schestowitz"my house is ashes"Nov 12 12:15
schestowitz"thanks, Amazon"Nov 12 12:15
schestowitzAriadne: I focus on pertinent thingsNov 12 12:16
schestowitzloss of privacy is one, but not my main focusNov 12 12:16
schestowitz"Smart' cities have long been in the makingNov 12 12:16
schestowitzso it's not an "if" but "how much"Nov 12 12:16
Ariadneits not just loss of privacy, it's the likelihood of using "smart" city technology to oppressNov 12 12:17
schestowitzselling gnu/linux as standard pc platform is helped by raising monopoly and privacy concerns/aspectsNov 12 12:17
Ariadneif you give cops "smart" drones which can fire pepper spray...Nov 12 12:17
schestowitzit happens alreadyNov 12 12:17
schestowitzeven without googlezonNov 12 12:17
AriadnesureNov 12 12:17
schestowitz5 eyars ago dakota got drones with guns on them legalisedNov 12 12:17
Ariadnei am just saying that googlezon wants to scale that shit upNov 12 12:17
schestowitzlike the ones used abroadNov 12 12:17
schestowitzfor police btwNov 12 12:18
schestowitznot fbiNov 12 12:18
schestowitzAriadne: good thing our site isn't called linuxrightsNov 12 12:18
schestowitzconsidering where linux is goingNov 12 12:18
schestowitzand the new threat surfaceNov 12 12:18
schestowitzhttp://techrights.org/wiki/index.php/AmazonNov 12 12:18
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Amazon - TechrightsNov 12 12:18
Ariadnelinux is... a nightmare at this pointNov 12 12:18
schestowitzit's a commodity kernelNov 12 12:19
schestowitza pool of hardware/device driversNov 12 12:19
Ariadnei would like to build a better kernel, but there is only one of meNov 12 12:19
schestowitzbut to freedom it adds not much at this point, many of the hostile "smart" things run "LINUS"Nov 12 12:19
schestowitz*LINUXNov 12 12:19
Ariadneyes, as bruce perens saidNov 12 12:19
schestowitzhe speaks to RMS nowNov 12 12:20
Ariadneopen source is everywhere now, but usually employed in service of oppressing the end userNov 12 12:20
schestowitzcost-loweringNov 12 12:20
schestowitz"practical"Nov 12 12:20
Ariadneand the problem is, those companies get devs to do their dirty work because devs need to eatNov 12 12:20
schestowitzdigi-gig economyNov 12 12:20
schestowitz"supplicants"Nov 12 12:21
-viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: MX Linux 19.3 Released: A Midweight Debian and antiX OS Spinoff http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/144241#comment-27126 [https://pleroma.site/objects/37e8881c-35de-48df-a704-69f806aa6293]Nov 12 12:22
AriadnehmmNov 12 12:22
-viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: #Android Leftovers โ€ข ๐•‹๐•ฆ๐•ฉ ๐•„๐•’๐•”๐•™๐•š๐•Ÿ๐•–๐•ค โ˜ž http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/144293 [https://pleroma.site/objects/d819902e-3069-48aa-a905-c047763826ce]Nov 12 12:24
schestowitzAriadne: basically, some people want to "swap masters"Nov 12 12:25
schestowitzhttp://techrights.org/2020/11/07/freesw-autonomy/Nov 12 12:25
schestowitzlots of "Apple fans"Nov 12 12:25
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schestowitzas if all is good if Apple dominated 100% of the laptop marketNov 12 12:25
schestowitzsame for amazon and google (to some)Nov 12 12:25
schestowitzwe need to think past thatNov 12 12:25
vZS1_2I've been seeing a lot of IDE posts online, lately.Nov 12 12:25
schestowitzit's like the "Two Party system"Nov 12 12:25
schestowitzpeople choosing one of two bootsNov 12 12:26
Ariadnei primarily use linux and macsNov 12 12:26
schestowitzto be walking over themNov 12 12:26
Ariadnedon't know much about the current windows shitshowNov 12 12:26
Ariadnei gave up on windows after vistaNov 12 12:26
Ariadnevista was too buggy 4 meNov 12 12:26
schestowitzso did alchinNov 12 12:26
schestowitzallchinNov 12 12:26
vZS1_2Maybe I should write a piece on ed(1). Give some of these people nightmares. lolNov 12 12:27
schestowitzgood ideaNov 12 12:27
schestowitzvZS1_2: I might now do articles todayNov 12 12:28
schestowitzI want to focus 100% of the server migration if possible, otherwise mental clutter, overloadNov 12 12:28
vZS1_2ed(1) is a saviour. When everything dies and goes wrong, ed(1) can still save you.Nov 12 12:28
Ariadnego ahead and do articlesNov 12 12:28
schestowitzAriadne: ok, cheersNov 12 12:28
schestowitzwill do EPO leaksNov 12 12:28
vZS1_2How many hits are the EPO leaks getting?Nov 12 12:29
schestowitzthe number misses the pointNov 12 12:29
Ariadnei just fucking wrecked my neck againNov 12 12:29
schestowitzit's WHo read thoseNov 12 12:29
schestowitzand it's most EPO staffNov 12 12:29
vZS1_2AhNov 12 12:29
vZS1_2I get you.Nov 12 12:29
AriadnegoodNov 12 12:29
Ariadnedemoralize themNov 12 12:29
schestowitzit's 7000+ people, it's Europe's second-biggest institutionNov 12 12:29
schestowitzEPO slapped me several times, with several law firmsNov 12 12:30
schestowitzbackfired on them mostlyNov 12 12:30
schestowitzthey have not tried in a few years, but they assure me they "Watch" meNov 12 12:30
vZS1_2Ariadne: you taking enough breaks? :PNov 12 12:30
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-viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: Test GNOME apps on this Linux reference platform http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/144290 [https://pleroma.site/objects/b49731db-785b-46a4-a3f2-2e4dd038e45c]Nov 12 12:34
vZS1_2schestowitz: see if you can file for harrassment, if they try again.Nov 12 12:34
schestowitzno, cannotNov 12 12:35
vZS1_2Will stop distracting you now.Nov 12 12:35
schestowitzread http://techrights.org/wiki/index.php/EPONov 12 12:35
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | EPO - TechrightsNov 12 12:35
schestowitzaround 2015-16Nov 12 12:35
schestowitzthe EPO is specialNov 12 12:35
schestowitzit cannot be sued Nov 12 12:36
schestowitzfor anythingNov 12 12:36
schestowitzthat's part of the problemNov 12 12:36
schestowitzthey bully and blackmail peopleNov 12 12:36
schestowitzsome commit suicideNov 12 12:36
schestowitzand echr won't pick on them, eitherNov 12 12:36
schestowitzthey ruined many livesNov 12 12:36
schestowitzwipo is the sameNov 12 12:36
schestowitztechrights.org/wiki/index.php/WIPONov 12 12:36
schestowitzstupid firefoxNov 12 12:36
schestowitzremoving http://Nov 12 12:36
Ariadnei still say brexit was a foolish mistake for UKNov 12 12:36
Ariadnesome said brexit good because no EPONov 12 12:37
-viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: Improve open source community sustainability by tracking these two metrics http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/144289 [https://pleroma.site/objects/59dba61f-e26d-4dfa-ac7b-dccde70881cc]Nov 12 12:37
Ariadneanyway i am going to take a napNov 12 12:38
Ariadneback laterNov 12 12:38
vZS1_2o/Nov 12 12:38
-viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: LXQt 0.16.0 Review โ€“ Lightweight Qt Desktop Environment โ€ข ๐•‹๐•ฆ๐•ฉ ๐•„๐•’๐•”๐•™๐•š๐•Ÿ๐•–๐•ค โ˜ž http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/144288 [https://pleroma.site/objects/75d56c8b-3429-4f3d-bb74-407719e6a9b6]Nov 12 12:39
schestowitzAriadne: thanks a lot!Nov 12 12:40
Ariadnewith that said, the jellycat stuffed animal company of london is a treasureNov 12 12:40
schestowitzAriadne: I got a wish a condolences for you from the other server adminNov 12 12:40
Ariadneoh [REDACTED NAME]?Nov 12 12:41
schestowitzayeNov 12 12:41
schestowitzI will remove the name from the ogsNov 12 12:41
schestowitz*logsNov 12 12:41
Ariadneanyway my goal is to put techrights in amsterdam once I have a site thereNov 12 12:41
schestowitzexcellentNov 12 12:41
schestowitzi suppose porting the whole VM over would be VM migration thingNov 12 12:42
Ariadnebut now techrights will be in the silicon valleyNov 12 12:42
AriadneyeahNov 12 12:42
AriadnenoNov 12 12:42
schestowitzas you said you had build it as vm with container inside 'bare metal'Nov 12 12:42
Ariadnewe have time to do it right this timeNov 12 12:42
schestowitzokNov 12 12:42
schestowitzno rushNov 12 12:42
Ariadneso we move everything to container and install from scratchNov 12 12:42
Ariadneprobably in a few hoursNov 12 12:43
schestowitzi seeNov 12 12:43
schestowitzoh, have a good napNov 12 12:43
AriadneI will start setting up the nginx and mariadb containersNov 12 12:43
AriadneI think that's a good starting pointNov 12 12:43
schestowitzremember tuxmachines was allergic to that mariadb version when we last attempted itNov 12 12:43
schestowitzI can pull back up what we found in the logs when that happened, maybe encoding thingNov 12 12:44
Ariadneyeah I think it's just cause tuxmachines is on ancient centosNov 12 12:44
schestowitzbefore that it was debianNov 12 12:44
schestowitzand gentoo at one pointNov 12 12:44
schestowitzhome-hosted evenNov 12 12:44
schestowitzwith no-ipNov 12 12:44
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schestowitzwhen we took over traffic was like 10 times smallerNov 12 12:45
AriadneanywayNov 12 12:45
schestowitzif/when we add https it can help rankingsNov 12 12:45
schestowitzanyway, gnNov 12 12:45
Ariadneone thing I do need to know isNov 12 12:45
Ariadnedo you need direct ssh access to those containers for uploading files etcNov 12 12:46
schestowitzthe dbs? no.Nov 12 12:46
schestowitzthey can be local lan/network, like 10.somethingNov 12 12:46
schestowitzas beforeNov 12 12:46
schestowitzI never had to access the db container since april or mayNov 12 12:47
schestowitzit justWorked(TM)Nov 12 12:47
AriadneI meant the sites themselvesNov 12 12:47
Ariadnelike do you scp/sftp files directly to those vmsNov 12 12:47
Ariadnecause what I was thinking isNov 12 12:48
Ariadnewe put the sites themselves on 10.xNov 12 12:48
schestowitzah, yes, I doNov 12 12:48
Ariadnethat way they aren't directly internet facingNov 12 12:49
schestowitzalso for remote backupsNov 12 12:49
schestowitzmonitoringNov 12 12:49
Ariadnebut if you need sftp we do something elseNov 12 12:49
schestowitzgitNov 12 12:49
schestowitzwe also do sharing of key files through itNov 12 12:49
schestowitzthere's an account for thatNov 12 12:49
schestowitzeven the raspi rsyncs the files with ipfs stuff to that serverNov 12 12:50
schestowitzand irc logs sent to it every nightNov 12 12:50
schestowitziow, making it firewalled away would entail lots of work(aronds)Nov 12 12:51
schestowitzvZS1_2: https://blog.torproject.org/hrd-amazon-training Nov 12 12:56
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-blog.torproject.org | Digital security tools for human rights defenders | Tor BlogNov 12 12:56
schestowitzjust nowNov 12 12:56
schestowitzamazonNov 12 12:56
schestowitz(the real one)Nov 12 12:57
schestowitzgreenwashNov 12 12:57
vZS1_2privacyโ„ขNov 12 12:57
-viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: Tor, Firefox/Mozilla, and Rust โ€ข ๐•‹๐•ฆ๐•ฉ ๐•„๐•’๐•”๐•™๐•š๐•Ÿ๐•–๐•ค โ˜ž http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/144294 [https://pleroma.site/objects/d76fd1e7-0746-49de-9a87-0c5b8cd77569]Nov 12 12:59
schestowitzvZS1_2: did you see those latest iPhone ads?Nov 12 13:00
schestowitzbillboard of people covering their faces?Nov 12 13:00
schestowitzwith a device that has cameras on both sides?Nov 12 13:00
schestowitzand it says "that's privacy"Nov 12 13:00
vZS1_2โ„ข*Nov 12 13:00
schestowitzthat's like giving kissinger and obama nobel for peaceNov 12 13:01
schestowitzthe thing that destroys your privacyNov 12 13:01
schestowitz"is privacy"Nov 12 13:01
schestowitzpeople who bomb nations...Nov 12 13:01
schestowitz"peace"Nov 12 13:01
schestowitzMicrosoft also loves Linux BTWNov 12 13:01
schestowitzI know because I heard they put that up on a slideNov 12 13:02
schestowitzand they sell PNG attachments of those images to journalists with 'prepared' articlesNov 12 13:02
vZS1_2You meanNov 12 13:03
vZS1_2Microsoft โ™กLinuxNov 12 13:04
vZS1_2"journalists"Nov 12 13:04
schestowitz https://digit.site36.net/2020/11/11/the-eu-in-crypto-war/ Nov 12 13:05
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-digit.site36.net | The EU in Crypto War โ€“ Matthias MonroyNov 12 13:05
schestowitzfor today's linksNov 12 13:05
schestowitzchrunalistsNov 12 13:05
schestowitz"good encryption"Nov 12 13:05
schestowitzWeak-Enough encryptionNov 12 13:05
schestowitzor "the terrorists win"Nov 12 13:05
schestowitz"might lead to dancing"Nov 12 13:06
vZS1_2ShhNov 12 13:06
vZS1_2Quantum encryptionNov 12 13:06
vZS1_2SeeNov 12 13:06
vZS1_2I can make up words tooNov 12 13:06
vZS1_2Wait....Nov 12 13:06
schestowitzquantum cloudNov 12 13:07
schestowitzsorryNov 12 13:07
schestowitzSMART quantum cloudNov 12 13:07
schestowitzwith an app with ux to access the iot on the clownNov 12 13:08
schestowitz"on the blockchain"Nov 12 13:08
schestowitzx https://stackoverflow.blog/2020/11/09/modern-ide-vs-vim-emacs/Nov 12 13:12
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-stackoverflow.blog | Modern IDEs are magic. Why are so many coders still using Vim and Emacs? - Stack Overflow BlogNov 12 13:12
schestowitz# GNU/Linux is itself a development environmentNov 12 13:12
schestowitz# what is happening with the "IDE" crowd is that they areNov 12 13:12
schestowitz# not learning the systems and falling victim to the monolith ideologyNov 12 13:12
schestowitz# from RedmondNov 12 13:12
schestowitz(from a friend)Nov 12 13:12
schestowitzthe pipes and workflows are in the OS, indeedNov 12 13:13
schestowitzIDEs don't need to do >everything<Nov 12 13:13
vZS1_2Yep. I still use ed(1), a lot of the time. Not even emacs nor vim.Nov 12 13:13
schestowitzsystemic modularity means you get the same feature across many editorsNov 12 13:13
schestowitznot all-in-oneNov 12 13:13
schestowitzlike netscape trying to do email tooNov 12 13:13
vZS1_2This monolithic architecture is the death of user freedom.Nov 12 13:13
schestowitzI use nano and kate btw, if they're availableNov 12 13:13
schestowitzvZS1_2: it's lockinNov 12 13:14
schestowitzide bloatNov 12 13:14
schestowitzVS 'Code' is 'free drugs'Nov 12 13:14
schestowitzsampleNov 12 13:14
schestowitzto get people hooked on the proprietary drugNov 12 13:14
schestowitzand yet nobody says itNov 12 13:14
schestowitzthey promote "Code"Nov 12 13:14
schestowitzand they say "Open Source"Nov 12 13:14
schestowitzit's a blob from MSFTNov 12 13:14
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schestowitzwith telemetryNov 12 13:14
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vZS1_2I still use plain old GNU diff a lot instead of Git's diff.Nov 12 13:16
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schestowitznew issue is,Nov 12 13:17
vZS1_2I'm actually using it to check for updates in the TR IPFS index these days.Nov 12 13:17
schestowitz"better tools" are on githubNov 12 13:17
schestowitzso they tell you, get rid of this gnu thingNov 12 13:17
schestowitzuse this thing from microsoft shithubNov 12 13:17
schestowitzand some willNov 12 13:17
schestowitzextend, embrace precedes sometimes (base code), outsource to MicrosoftNov 12 13:17
vZS1_2`$ diff --brief txt <(wget -q -O - http://techrights.org/ipfs/txt)`Nov 12 13:18
schestowitzmicrosoft is evil, but not stupidNov 12 13:18
schestowitztheir strategy with shithub is really malicious, but we can make it less effective by making it the next myspaceNov 12 13:18
vZS1_2That's GNU diff. And how I check for updates you push out.Nov 12 13:18
schestowitzthen it becomes another write-off like nokiaNov 12 13:18
schestowitzand they announces losses again, EVEN to their shareholders (whom they always defraud)Nov 12 13:19
vZS1_2I try to let you handle all the GitHub news. I can't afford to spare energy on that front because I'm working on Git+IPFS to build a better solution.Nov 12 13:20
vZS1_2To me, GitHub doesn't exist (with respect to my private projects).Nov 12 13:20
schestowitza lot of 'privacy' projects are on shithubNov 12 13:21
schestowitzsignalNov 12 13:21
schestowitzprivacytoolsNov 12 13:21
schestowitzletsencryptNov 12 13:22
schestowitzeven the letsencrypt web siteNov 12 13:22
schestowitzit's always amusingNov 12 13:22
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schestowitzlook, we're so good at privacy... we even have this account at proprietary software clown of NSA/MicrosoftNov 12 13:22
schestowitzI say, this is where I agree with Torvalds' "masturbating monkeys" remarksNov 12 13:23
schestowitzthey impress only their circlejerkNov 12 13:23
vZS1_2Even OpenBSD has GitHub mirrors.Nov 12 13:23
schestowitzthe strategy isNov 12 13:23
schestowitzreinforce the stigmaNov 12 13:23
schestowitzwhich is hinged on factsNov 12 13:24
schestowitzproject on github = no credibilityNov 12 13:24
schestowitzdumb devsNov 12 13:24
schestowitzno securityNov 12 13:24
schestowitzno care for privacyNov 12 13:24
schestowitzfriendly to microsoft monopolyNov 12 13:24
schestowitzmay be compromisedNov 12 13:24
schestowitzlocked inNov 12 13:24
schestowitzthen, for future projects, they try another platformNov 12 13:24
schestowitzrinse, repeatNov 12 13:24
zoobabIPFS sucks big timeNov 12 13:25
schestowitzsome people join me in this, not condemning by highlighting the credibility deficit associated with hosting thereNov 12 13:25
schestowitzzoobab: what's better?Nov 12 13:25
schestowitzzoobab:  you made backups of techrights in github some years agoNov 12 13:25
schestowitznow Microsoft has all the copiesNov 12 13:25
schestowitzwe worked with Internet Archives on archiving alsoNov 12 13:26
schestowitzbut it's still a single point of failure, they do takedowns alsoNov 12 13:26
schestowitzhttps://www.researchgate.net/publication/337450101_A_Distributed_File-Based_Storage_System_for_Improving_High_Availability_of_Space_Weather_Data#readNov 12 13:27
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.researchgate.net | (PDF) A Distributed File-Based Storage System for Improving High Availability of Space Weather DataNov 12 13:27
oiaohmzoobab: if you hate IPFS so much what p2p hosting solutions do you like.Nov 12 13:32
zoobabnone of them, IPFS does garbage collection and can remove contentNov 12 13:40
schestowitzlolNov 12 13:40
schestowitzhttps://www.zdnet.com/article/microsoft-urges-users-to-stop-using-phone-based-multi-factor-authentication/Nov 12 13:40
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Microsoft urges users to stop using phone-based multi-factor authentication | ZDNetNov 12 13:40
schestowitzthey should stop using MicrosoftNov 12 13:40
schestowitzsince when is Microsoft a security authority?Nov 12 13:40
zoobabalso it is super hard to make mirrors with IPFSNov 12 13:40
schestowitzthis seems trueNov 12 13:41
zoobaband it does not guarantee that a copy of the content is always available, even if you remove the only node that has the only copy on earth Nov 12 13:41
schestowitzhigh learning curveNov 12 13:41
zoobabwhat would be needed is some kind of builtin mecanism to guarantee that there is always 3 copies maintainedNov 12 13:42
vZS1_2Yes. A peer to peer system without peers is not going to work. Do you want a Turing Award?Nov 12 13:42
zoobabplus it needs some builtin mecanism to avoid police takedownNov 12 13:42
vZS1_2Another troll to blockNov 12 13:43
zoobabthen make a rule that you need to find X amount of other peers before you can publishNov 12 13:43
zoobabor for example donate disk/bandwidth/cpu to some global project like "gitipfs"Nov 12 13:44
zoobabbut I guess that's what filecoin is trying to achieveNov 12 13:45
schestowitzzoobab: suggest something better thanNov 12 13:46
schestowitz*thenNov 12 13:46
schestowitzmaking mirrors has long been a deterrentNov 12 13:46
schestowitzwhen EPO came assaulting me repeatedly you mirrored the site on githubNov 12 13:47
zoobabftp to start with, rsyncNov 12 13:47
schestowitziirc, by scraping all europe/patent category pagesNov 12 13:47
schestowitzto the point it felt like a ddos attack :-) :DNov 12 13:47
schestowitz(I know it wasn't intended)Nov 12 13:47
schestowitzzoobab: that too is easy and possibleNov 12 13:47
schestowitzwe always suggested thatNov 12 13:47
schestowitzas filesNov 12 13:47
schestowitzand can set up ftp daemon, I did that at work recentlyNov 12 13:48
schestowitza bit like modern bbsNov 12 13:48
schestowitzwe can even reuse the existing filestore from ipfsNov 12 13:48
schestowitzthe key is, putting all the files in one place, hashing themNov 12 13:48
zoobabis it easy to do a mirror via ipfs?Nov 12 13:48
oiaohmzoobab: filecoin the back end of that is IPFS.Nov 12 13:48
schestowitzand advertising the access pointsNov 12 13:48
schestowitzthe mirroring of what you put up there is done in the backgroundNov 12 13:48
oiaohmThere are ways to make mirror with IPFS just how is not well documented.Nov 12 13:49
schestowitzBandwidthNov 12 13:49
schestowitzTotalIn: 7.4 GBNov 12 13:49
schestowitzTotalOut: 3.0 GBNov 12 13:49
schestowitzthat was advertised on SaturdayNov 12 13:49
schestowitzand only November archieveNov 12 13:49
schestowitzbut on the ipfs network it's already spreadingNov 12 13:49
vZS1_2I'm at 3.6 GB outNov 12 13:50
vZS1_2Definitely seeing consumptionNov 12 13:50
vZS1_2TR is the only thing pinned on my nodeNov 12 13:50
schestowitzx https://www.theverge.com/2020/11/11/21559515/apple-silicon-arm-computer-m1-chip-transition-microsoft-surface-rtNov 12 13:50
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.theverge.com | Thereโ€™s a question mark hanging over Appleโ€™s Arm Macs - The VergeNov 12 13:50
schestowitzgarbage journalismNov 12 13:50
schestowitzsponsored by Microsoft/GatesNov 12 13:50
schestowitzvZS1_2: will do articles soonNov 12 13:51
schestowitzwill post daily links, then need to go out get foodNov 12 13:51
schestowitzbeen 8 days since last timeNov 12 13:51
schestowitzlater will publish epo leaks againNov 12 13:51
oiaohmLot of people miss that Apple was one of the founding members that started power pc chips.Nov 12 13:51
schestowitzibmNov 12 13:52
schestowitzfor appleNov 12 13:52
schestowitziircNov 12 13:52
schestowitz(not just for apple)Nov 12 13:52
schestowitzzoobab: we're quadrupling the number of cpu cores nowNov 12 13:52
oiaohmI said one of founding members because it was not just apple.Nov 12 13:52
schestowitzAriadne allocated to us 32 core out of her 128Nov 12 13:52
oiaohmAlso M1 chips is not 100 percent just apple either they are taking tech from arm and other places.Nov 12 13:53
schestowitzso ddos might hopefully be a thing of the pastNov 12 13:53
oiaohmApple going their own unique chip is not exactly new.Nov 12 13:53
schestowitzexactlyNov 12 13:53
schestowitzit's hypeNov 12 13:53
schestowitzthey call itNov 12 13:53
schestowitz"apple silicon"Nov 12 13:53
schestowitzall about brandingNov 12 13:53
schestowitzcall it iSiliconNov 12 13:53
schestowitz'i' is also a brandNov 12 13:53
schestowitzthey enforced itNov 12 13:53
schestowitzagainst things called 'i' somethingNov 12 13:54
schestowitzeven if those predates apple's use of the letterNov 12 13:54
oiaohmiSilicon was off the cards as that could be intel silicon welcome trademark arguement.Nov 12 13:54
schestowitztrueNov 12 13:54
schestowitzor 0 and 1Nov 12 13:54
schestowitzintel wanted that tooNov 12 13:54
schestowitzand x86Nov 12 13:54
schestowitzor just 86 somethingNov 12 13:54
schestowitzdidn't get itNov 12 13:54
schestowitz'owning' numbersNov 12 13:55
schestowitziirc, intel owns 01 dot comNov 12 13:57
schestowitzI could check quicklyNov 12 13:57
schestowitzso why not 'own' the letter 'i' also?Nov 12 13:57
schestowitzsue all those tourism spots with 'i' counters in them (information)Nov 12 13:57
schestowitz"I own all the I"Nov 12 13:57
MinceRhttps://hugelolcdn.com/i/699634.jpgNov 12 13:58
oiaohmschestowitz: https://www.intel.com/content/www/us/en/trademarks/intel-softsilicon.html   Sorry iSillicon would get into argument with Intel Softsilicon for possible being too close.Nov 12 13:59
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.intel.com | Usage Guidelines for Customers, Licensees, and Other Third PartiesNov 12 13:59
oiaohmApple Silicon is legally safe bet.Nov 12 13:59
oiaohmPartially when the deal is kind of cutting intel out of business.Nov 12 14:00
MinceRsilly coneNov 12 14:00
vZS1_2I have a lot of silly conesNov 12 14:01
vZS1_2They hold ice cream, a lot of them.Nov 12 14:01
oiaohmSoftsilicon is a Intel sub company that does consultancy that if you don't look closely does not appear to be Intel.   So that one is a silly con.  Nice way to make sure intel parts get recommended with kickback.Nov 12 14:04
MinceR:>Nov 12 14:04
schestowitzintel bribes a lotNov 12 14:08
schestowitzthat's actually why I got so upset about them in the first placeNov 12 14:08
schestowitzand there's no evidence that stopped, they still do itNov 12 14:08
oiaohmSpecial deals as well.Nov 12 14:09
schestowitzamd is getting too big again, as well, doing some of the same "bads" (like PSP to ME)Nov 12 14:09
MinceRhttps://i.imgur.com/K0igQqt.jpegNov 12 14:09
vZS1_2I remember all the anti-AMD propaganda from Intel, back in the day. Gamers were a big target for the Intel i{3..5} line.Nov 12 14:09
schestowitzso it's like Apple vs MicrosoftNov 12 14:09
schestowitzwe need risc-v advocated moreNov 12 14:09
vZS1_2Don't use AMD processors, they are bad.Nov 12 14:09
schestowitznot ibm isa openwashNov 12 14:09
oiaohmReally current AMD processors are better behaved than Intel ones.Nov 12 14:09
vZS1_2^ That's what intel saidNov 12 14:10
vZS1_2about AMDNov 12 14:10
vZS1_2Now AMD are whopping Intel in the market and they don't know what to doNov 12 14:10
oiaohmhttps://github.com/xoreaxeaxeax/sandsifter  Was done before stack of exploits appeared for intel.Nov 12 14:10
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-GitHub - xoreaxeaxeax/sandsifter: The x86 processor fuzzerNov 12 14:10
vZS1_2All you would hear last year and year before that was Ryzen shillingNov 12 14:10
oiaohmAnd shows Intel processors not doing a lot of stuff to specificaiton.Nov 12 14:11
oiaohmWhen third parties went and check the ISA conformance basically.Nov 12 14:11
vZS1_2Waiting for the IC home fabricators.Nov 12 14:11
vZS1_2Those underpaid and overworked university students better get to work fastNov 12 14:11
oiaohmHopefully next generation of Intel chips get better behaving.Nov 12 14:11
vZS1_2Computing will never be free until ICs can be fabricated at homeNov 12 14:12
MinceRhopefully intel dies and is replaced by a less fraudulent corporationNov 12 14:12
oiaohmsandsifter showed a few interesting reasons why some games would work on Intel and not on AMD was usage of non conforming instructions in the ISA.Nov 12 14:13
oiaohmThere are also a few interesting non conforming instructions that can show you are inside qemu doing the instructions to specification yet on real AMD and Intel different code path runs as well.Nov 12 14:13
vZS1_2Who knows, maybe in the next 20 years we will get home IC fabricators. 20 years ago, nobody would have predicted how successful home 3D-priting would become.Nov 12 14:14
vZS1_2They'd think you were delusionalNov 12 14:14
oiaohmI would say IC fabricators of current silicon  would be unlikely in the home.Nov 12 14:15
oiaohmthe toxic waste making silicon  makes is horrible bad.Nov 12 14:15
MinceRnot as bad as government hardware backdoorsNov 12 14:15
oiaohmGraphite based chips the polution from them might not be too bad.Nov 12 14:15
MinceRor as intel helping lock hardware into microshit and crApple OS-esNov 12 14:15
oiaohmWe have to change from  silicon based substrate to graphite based substrate at some point.Nov 12 14:16
MinceRof course, we would have more sources for processors of a given ISA if there was no government to enforce Imaginary PropertyNov 12 14:16
-viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: โ€œHomeworldโ€ will be the default theme for #Debian 11 โ€ข ๐•‹๐•ฆ๐•ฉ ๐•„๐•’๐•”๐•™๐•š๐•Ÿ๐•–๐•ค โ˜ž http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/144295 [https://pleroma.site/objects/fe34b0f0-8288-42d4-886b-d53b293ad3e7]Nov 12 14:16
oiaohmbecause we will hit how small of transistors we can make on silicon.Nov 12 14:16
-viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: This Is the Default Theme of #Debian GNU/Linux 11 โ€œBullseyeโ€ โ€ข ๐•‹๐•ฆ๐•ฉ ๐•„๐•’๐•”๐•™๐•š๐•Ÿ๐•–๐•ค โ˜ž http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/144296 [https://pleroma.site/objects/54a8caad-3ca1-4e19-b7a2-31f124739718]Nov 12 14:17
vZS1_2Governments don't want citizens to be empoweredNov 12 14:18
schestowitznot trueNov 12 14:18
schestowitzthey doNov 12 14:18
schestowitzin other countriesNov 12 14:18
schestowitzesp. countries that are not allyNov 12 14:18
MinceRwhich ones?Nov 12 14:18
schestowitzwhere they want the "regimes" overthrownNov 12 14:19
schestowitzthen they're all for "people power" and Democracy(TM)Nov 12 14:19
schestowitzI would not be shocked is Tor is well compromised alreadyNov 12 14:19
schestowitzso that it gives real privacy to all but 5-EYESNov 12 14:19
schestowitzthis way they can empower dissidents in Iran, Russia, China...Nov 12 14:19
schestowitzand domestically they can still crack their way into the behaviour and comms of localsNov 12 14:20
vZS1_2I always saw Tor as an experiment. And now it's out of the hands of ordinary people.Nov 12 14:20
schestowitzcoordination by domination of structuresNov 12 14:20
schestowitzMicrosoft does this alsoNov 12 14:20
schestowitzwe even know this based on some leaksNov 12 14:20
schestowitzlike their spying on emailsNov 12 14:20
oiaohmOpps its https://www.transparencymarketresearch.com/diamond-semiconductor-substrates-market.html  artificial diamond substrates.   Improved cooling over a silicon substrates.Nov 12 14:21
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.transparencymarketresearch.com | Diamond Semiconductor Substrates Market - Global Industry Analysis, Growth, Trends, Forecast 2024Nov 12 14:21
oiaohmYes the process to make diamond substrates in theory could be made at home without any toxic chemicals.Nov 12 14:22
vZS1_2What a lot of newcomers to computing fail to realise is that things like GNU all boil down to one thing. Empowerment of the individual and maintanance of their freedoms.Nov 12 14:22
oiaohmSilicon substrates bugger to make for toxic chemical bugger to prep due to toxic chemicals.Nov 12 14:22
oiaohmalso 20 year delay on patents.  I would not expect diamond substrates to come possible in home before 2050.Nov 12 14:24
vZS1_2And now FSF just put out puff pieces every now and then and claim all the credit for GNU. It makes me sick.Nov 12 14:24
MinceRand promotes systemdNov 12 14:24
vZS1_2That tooNov 12 14:24
oiaohmNow with the patents running out on silicon making techs we should see collages and other places with means to handle toxic chemicals more often having their own IC fab. Nov 12 14:25
oiaohmSo not at home but still way more accessable.Nov 12 14:25
oiaohmTor history is comes out of  "United States Naval Research Laboratory"  Yes the USA military wants means to communicate hidden.    Then you have the CIA and NSA wanting to see though that.Nov 12 14:29
oiaohmReal case of left and right hands of the USA government not agreeing is Tor and counter to Tor.Nov 12 14:30
vZS1_2Not everyone in the military is evilNov 12 14:30
MinceR(audio:important) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uXom0OP3RwkNov 12 14:30
vZS1_2The US Navy has had many fine human beings in itNov 12 14:30
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Jimmy Carr talks about wife beating on QI - YouTubeNov 12 14:30
oiaohmTor was not experiment it was USA Navy making something they needed.Nov 12 14:32
oiaohmOf course getting it peer reviewed when it could be life or death is kind of important.Nov 12 14:32
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vZS1_2Anyone that thinks they have real anonymity on the internet is sorely mistakeNov 12 14:34
vZS1_2mistakenNov 12 14:34
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vZS1_2Guaranteed anonymity is still an open problem.Nov 12 14:37
vZS1_2If such a thing can ever be achievedNov 12 14:37
vZS1_2What we have now is degrees of privacyNov 12 14:37
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schestowitzyes, never trust people who promise BSNov 12 14:48
schestowitzI don't promise thatNov 12 14:48
schestowitzyou don't eitherNov 12 14:48
schestowitzbut can increase the likelihood by reducing the ease at which people can be unmaskedNov 12 14:49
schestowitzopen wifi isn't too bad for anonymity when dealing with non-govNov 12 14:49
schestowitze.g. company leaksNov 12 14:49
schestowitzbut it logs MAC addresses afaikNov 12 14:49
schestowitzso better to borrow a deviceNov 12 14:49
schestowitzburner phones used to be a thingNov 12 14:49
schestowitzso then you have public terminalsNov 12 14:49
schestowitzor trains where you pay with cashNov 12 14:50
schestowitzit makes it very expensive to unmask, at least with certaintyNov 12 14:50
schestowitzonions like tor obfuscate by layersNov 12 14:51
schestowitzit makes it expensive to chase down people down the layersNov 12 14:51
schestowitzsometimes so expensive that you need to go abroad with warrantsNov 12 14:52
schestowitzbut many use tor on compromised systemsNov 12 14:52
schestowitznot tails or similarNov 12 14:52
schestowitzassuming tails is safeNov 12 14:52
schestowitziirc, heads is like tails but without systemdNov 12 14:52
vZS1_2imo, people should base these tools on OpenBSD and not LinuxNov 12 14:53
schestowitzqubesOS us fedoraNov 12 14:53
vZS1_2OpenBSD is 100% binary blobs in their systemNov 12 14:53
schestowitzie.g. red hatNov 12 14:53
schestowitzi.e. ibmNov 12 14:53
vZS1_2100% against*Nov 12 14:53
schestowitzfor some reason I think they USED to be bsd-basedNov 12 14:53
vZS1_2Speaking of OpenBSD, I'm planning to migrate my Pi to that btw.Nov 12 14:54
schestowitzopenbsd used to work with US gov.Nov 12 14:54
schestowitziirc de raadt lives in canada but comes from south africaNov 12 14:54
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schestowitzso the same ring of surveillanceNov 12 14:54
schestowitzanglo-saxon-francoNov 12 14:54
vZS1_2It's more because it's easier to keep track of things because OpenBSD is a lot smaller than LinuxNov 12 14:54
schestowitzhis name sounds dutch... many of them in SANov 12 14:54
schestowitzand he condemned the Bush warsNov 12 14:54
MinceR(cat) https://img.pr0gramm.com/2020/09/15/e47999102007861f.jpgNov 12 14:54
schestowitzthen lost the DARPA (IIRC) fundsNov 12 14:54
MinceR12 155417 < schestowitz> iirc de raadt lives in canada but comes from south africaNov 12 14:55
MinceRah, so he's afro-americanNov 12 14:55
vZS1_2All my Pi does is Git and IPFS. OpenBSD can handle that easily.Nov 12 14:56
schestowitzMinceR: like pedo guy muskedNov 12 15:01
MinceR:>Nov 12 15:01
schestowitzvZS1_2: but that's not where your crown jewels areNov 12 15:02
schestowitztrying using THAT as your main workstationNov 12 15:02
schestowitzfor those who need thunderbird and falkon and stuff openbsd would be hardNov 12 15:02
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vZS1_2It's not for others though. This is just my own Pi.Nov 12 15:08
vZS1_2The Git + IPFS setup I have works on any OS. That's not the issue.Nov 12 15:09
vZS1_2I just want something where I can see what's going on easier. Linux has a lot of cruft I don't need.Nov 12 15:09
vZS1_2Like if I want to do process and packet analysis, Linux just gets in the way.Nov 12 15:10
vZS1_2On a fresh OpenBSD install, you barely have 25 processes running.Nov 12 15:10
MinceR"linux" is fixing that -- soon you will have 1 process running :>Nov 12 15:11
vZS1_2Yes, yes GNU/Linux.Nov 12 15:11
vZS1_2GNU/Poettering/Linux.Nov 12 15:12
vZS1_2Happy now?Nov 12 15:12
vZS1_2I was considering FreeBSD (I have more experience with that) but even FreeBSD is suffering with bloat, lately.Nov 12 15:13
schestowitzkillall system1Nov 12 15:13
schestowitzSHUTTING DOWN SYSTEM in 10 sec...Nov 12 15:13
MinceRa stop job is runningNov 12 15:14
MinceRa run job is stoppingNov 12 15:14
MinceRa stop run is jobbingNov 12 15:14
vZS1_2[NOTOK]Nov 12 15:14
schestowitza job is on the runNov 12 15:14
schestowitzservice stevejobs stopNov 12 15:14
MinceR:)Nov 12 15:15
schestowitzerror: process already killedNov 12 15:15
schestowitzzombies cannot be killed, try "service resurrect" firstNov 12 15:15
vZS1_2Beat me to the zombie jokeNov 12 15:15
MinceR:~# rebootNov 12 15:16
MinceRWrite failed: Broken pipeNov 12 15:16
schestowitzman resurrectNov 12 15:16
schestowitzno man found Nov 12 15:16
vZS1_2# systemctl rebootNov 12 15:16
vZS1_2# systemctl poweroffNov 12 15:16
vZS1_2That's the systemd way!Nov 12 15:16
schestowitztoo many things to memoriseNov 12 15:17
vZS1_2Brought to you by GNU/LennartNov 12 15:17
schestowitzmany syntax typesNov 12 15:17
schestowitzsystemd also alters the order of arguments/commandsNov 12 15:17
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schestowitzcommand first, then serviceNov 12 15:18
vZS1_2Nice thing about rc is that you get deterministic order of rc scripts.Nov 12 15:18
vZS1_2Nobody knows everything systemd is up to because a lot of things happen on the fly, dynamically.Nov 12 15:19
MinceRhttps://www.smbc-comics.com/comic/in-the-loopNov 12 15:19
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.smbc-comics.com | Saturday Morning Breakfast Cereal - In the LoopNov 12 15:19
vZS1_2I've been trying out mg instead of Emacs on the Pi. Let's see how this goes.Nov 12 15:31
schestowitzhttp://techrights.org/2020/11/12/2001-rms-opens-up/Nov 12 15:38
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Just-Released Footage of Dr. Richard Stallman (RMS): Open Source People โ€œTreated Me Like Shitโ€ | TechrightsNov 12 15:38
schestowitzhelp me spot typosNov 12 15:38
schestowitzI have not proofread it yetNov 12 15:38
schestowitzalso, check if audio workNov 12 15:38
schestowitzsome browsers struggleNov 12 15:38
vZS1_2Works fine on FirefoxNov 12 15:44
schestowitz"This Richard Stallman video from 2001 was released earlier this week; in it, Stallman explains what the Open Source 'movement' did to him just a few years earlier (and then there's some more stuff like his speech about DMCA and less related stuff in between because it's raw and uncut)"Nov 12 15:45
schestowitzvZS1_2: try falkinNov 12 15:45
schestowitzfalkon or similarNov 12 15:45
schestowitzdoesn't play for meNov 12 15:45
schestowitzMarcia said she had the same issueNov 12 15:45
vZS1_2Don't have those installedNov 12 15:45
vZS1_2Programming atm so I just have this video running in the backgroundNov 12 15:45
-viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: Just-Released Footage of Dr. Richard Stallman (RMS): Open Source People โ€œTreated Me Like Shitโ€ http://techrights.org/2020/11/12/2001-rms-opens-up/ [https://pleroma.site/objects/fc9d0c6a-9776-48b3-9f61-0fee05c77157]Nov 12 15:47
schestowitzvZS1_2: anyway, both of us got it working in firefoxNov 12 15:47
schestowitzi don't want to install chro* anything to testNov 12 15:47
schestowitzlet me try wife's laptop Nov 12 15:47
schestowitzhmmmNov 12 15:50
schestowitzchrome on her laptop (she uses firefox actually) doesn't play the soundNov 12 15:50
schestowitzbut does for this oneNov 12 15:51
schestowitzhttp://techrights.org/2020/11/11/rms-on-open-source/Nov 12 15:51
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Newly-Published Richard Stallman Video From 2001, Where He is Explaining โ€œOpen Sourceโ€ 3 Years After OSI Was Established | TechrightsNov 12 15:51
schestowitzlooks identical in the hypermark senseNov 12 15:52
schestowitzso it must be something in the file's meta itselfNov 12 15:52
schestowitzworks fine in standalone media playersNov 12 15:55
schestowitzok, I give upNov 12 15:55
schestowitzmaybe re-encoding the whole file would be needed Nov 12 15:55
schestowitzto overcome this and appease google-based 'browsers'Nov 12 15:55
CrystalMathhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o9829am7inENov 12 15:55
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Steve Hilton: Trump 'defeated a 50-year establishment consensus' - YouTubeNov 12 15:55
schestowitzvZS1_2: https://www.techdirt.com/articles/20201106/03572745657/surprise-latest-draft-eus-next-big-privacy-law-includes-some-improvements.shtml Nov 12 15:56
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Surprise: Latest Draft Of The EU's Next Big Privacy Law Includes Some Improvements | TechdirtNov 12 15:56
vZS1_2Looks about rightNov 12 15:58
MinceRhttps://www.smbc-comics.com/comic/sodomy-2Nov 12 15:58
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.smbc-comics.com | Saturday Morning Breakfast Cereal - SodomyNov 12 15:58
CrystalMathhmm, the EU did another surprisingly useful moveNov 12 16:00
MinceRdid they start EU2, without the vulnerabilities of the old, joined it and left the old one?Nov 12 16:01
MinceRhttps://gemini.circumlunar.space/Nov 12 16:04
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-gemini.circumlunar.space | Project GeminiNov 12 16:04
schestowitzzoobab: how's that  "early November" coming along?Nov 12 16:09
schestowitzFor Team UPC?Nov 12 16:09
schestowitzNov. 15th soonNov 12 16:09
schestowitzwe'll have fun writing about that, won't we?Nov 12 16:09
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schestowitzIt's always "Real Soon!" and "Coming Shortly..."Nov 12 16:10
vZS1_2IPFS for TRNov 12 16:11
vZS1_2Already hereNov 12 16:11
vZS1_2So sit on thatNov 12 16:11
vZS1_2Re: that RMS video where he talks about Ebooks. DRM-free ebooks do exist now. So all is not lost.Nov 12 16:12
vZS1_2TeX is to credit for a big part of that.Nov 12 16:13
vZS1_2That was a good video. Glad I listened to it. So much more than just "Open Source people treat me like shit".Nov 12 16:17
vZS1_2Still think Free Software is a bad name though. Freedom Respecting Software is much better.Nov 12 16:24
vZS1_2Maybe I'll roll a new license with that nameNov 12 16:24
vZS1_2The FRS license.Nov 12 16:25
schestowitzit isNov 12 16:25
schestowitzbut the name isn't the pointNov 12 16:25
schestowitzas they're nitpick other thingsNov 12 16:25
schestowitzvZS1_2: see this list techrights.org/2020/09/06/excuses-and-distractions/Nov 12 16:25
vZS1_2It's still a huge deal. The name matters to ordinary people.Nov 12 16:26
schestowitzhttp://techrights.org/2020/09/06/excuses-and-distractions/Nov 12 16:26
schestowitzstupid firefoxNov 12 16:26
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | How to Spot Diversion Tactics (Excuses and Distractions From Articles Not Convenient to the Reader) | TechrightsNov 12 16:26
vZS1_2And how ordinary people percieve the issuesNov 12 16:26
schestowitzstill has many of my bookmarks, so I need to have it open alongside falkonNov 12 16:26
schestowitzvZS1_2: they'd find other attack vectorsNov 12 16:26
vZS1_2Can't you migrate your booksmarks? I swear it's all JSON standard nowNov 12 16:26
vZS1_2It's still a good start.Nov 12 16:26
schestowitzpeople used to attack us for the name "Boycott Novell"Nov 12 16:26
schestowitzwe're still also BoycottNovell.comNov 12 16:27
vZS1_2Organisation X attacks Freedom Respecting Software. That sounds like a great headline. To make enemies.Nov 12 16:27
schestowitzas if to boycott immoral companies discredits oneselfNov 12 16:27
schestowitzFreedom means nothing nowNov 12 16:27
schestowitzlibertarians and Trumpsters hijacked the wordNov 12 16:27
vZS1_2Still think this is an important issue.Nov 12 16:28
schestowitzand the media paints terrorists as "Freedom-fighters" like people who are "covid-denying" and won't weak masksNov 12 16:28
schestowitzthey say we invade countries for "freedom"Nov 12 16:28
vZS1_2Murica. Spreading freedom.Nov 12 16:28
schestowitzYou can still write "Organisation X attacks Freedom-Respecting Software."Nov 12 16:28
schestowitzThe BBC would not Nov 12 16:29
schestowitzit would paint them as Epstein sympathisers or whatnotNov 12 16:29
schestowitzhttp://techrights.org/2020/09/10/sjvn-senior-moment/Nov 12 16:29
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | One Year Later Steven J. Vaughan-Nicholsโ€™ Libel Against Richard Stallman Remains Online and Uncorrected at ZDNet | TechrightsNov 12 16:30
schestowitzyou cannot control media owned by the super-richNov 12 16:30
schestowitzyou might think you canNov 12 16:30
schestowitzthey can fabricate and defameNov 12 16:30
schestowitzand they get away with itNov 12 16:30
vZS1_2Nobody is saying we should control their media. What's important is people have access to other media.Nov 12 16:31
schestowitzthen they defame that other mediaNov 12 16:31
vZS1_2Let them. People will still use it.Nov 12 16:31
schestowitzin troll farms like redditNov 12 16:31
schestowitzconstant ad hominem thereNov 12 16:32
schestowitzhttp://techrights.org/2020/09/06/excuses-and-distractions/Nov 12 16:32
vZS1_2Case in point: Bittorrent.Nov 12 16:32
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | How to Spot Diversion Tactics (Excuses and Distractions From Articles Not Convenient to the Reader) | TechrightsNov 12 16:32
vZS1_2There were repeated attacks against Bittorrent. It is still alive and well.Nov 12 16:32
vZS1_2There still are repeated attacks against it. But it's not going anywhere anytime soon.Nov 12 16:32
vZS1_2Because users realise the attacks are all BSNov 12 16:33
schestowitzsome realiseNov 12 16:33
schestowitzsome do notNov 12 16:33
schestowitzone person here still thinks Trump and UNABOMBER are OK peopleNov 12 16:34
vZS1_2We can't change that.Nov 12 16:34
vZS1_2Let them think what they want to think.Nov 12 16:34
Ariadnesoftware freedom is important, but other freedom is also important, such as the freedom to choose what stuffed animal friends you want on your bed for sleeping purposesNov 12 16:36
vZS1_2https://expandedramblings.com/index.php/bittorrent-statistics-facts/Nov 12 16:37
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-expandedramblings.com | โ€ข BitTorrent Statistics and Facts (2020) | By the NumbersNov 12 16:37
vZS1_2Shoddy sources but that's not an insignificant userbase.Nov 12 16:38
vZS1_2Freedom-respecting software is not contradictory to "the freedom to choose what stuffed animal friends you want on your bed for sleeping purposes". So I don't see the point.Nov 12 16:39
vZS1_2And yes "the freedom to choose what stuffed animal friends you want on your bed for sleeping purposes" is important. Never said it isn't.Nov 12 16:40
vZS1_2With the fragmentation of media content providers, I only see Bittorrent usage going up rapidly.Nov 12 16:43
vZS1_2Ordinary people can't afford hundreds of dollars worth of media content providers, especially in developing countries.Nov 12 16:43
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vZS1_2HBO, Prime Video, Netflix, etc etcNov 12 16:44
Ariadnelol that was just a shitpost, chillNov 12 16:44
vZS1_2The list keeps growing, every year.Nov 12 16:44
vZS1_2Realised that a bit late.Nov 12 16:45
vZS1_2DRM is probably a big reason why Bittorrent ever took off the ground. Nov 12 16:46
vZS1_2Not for it's technical merits.Nov 12 16:46
vZS1_2its*Nov 12 16:46
schestowitzconvenienceNov 12 16:47
schestowitzaccessibilityNov 12 16:47
schestowitzsearchingNov 12 16:47
schestowitzsharingNov 12 16:47
schestowitzdrm prevents sharing with loved oneNov 12 16:47
schestowitzit's a crippled and more expensive versionNov 12 16:47
schestowitzso worse/st of both worldsNov 12 16:47
vZS1_2That's why I'm not too worried about IPFS. Eventually even ordinary people will see its merits, specialised clients will emerge (they are already emerging).Nov 12 16:48
schestowitzAriadne: I'll be around the rest of the day, didn't leave the hosueNov 12 16:49
vZS1_2IPFS CID index sites will become as common and Bittorrent torrent file and magnet link index sites.Nov 12 16:49
schestowitzthe lawyers worry about itNov 12 16:49
schestowitzthey call it "blockchain"Nov 12 16:49
schestowitzcollectivelyNov 12 16:49
schestowitzthey use buzzwords their brain cannot graspNov 12 16:49
schestowitzand then they talk of "AYE PEE"Nov 12 16:49
schestowitzand how blockchain affects "AYE PEE"Nov 12 16:50
schestowitzlike, they cannot do site takedown with "AYE PEE" demand lettersNov 12 16:50
schestowitzand that worries their "clients"Nov 12 16:50
MinceRit hurts when IPNov 12 16:50
vZS1_2lmaoNov 12 16:50
schestowitzlike rich studiosNov 12 16:50
schestowitzwhich make "content" with "protection"Nov 12 16:50
schestowitz(DRM)Nov 12 16:50
schestowitzMinceR: it hurts, that why they shout "Hey AYE!"Nov 12 16:51
schestowitzThe AIs are taking all our IPs!!Nov 12 16:51
MinceRI.P. FreeleyNov 12 16:52
vZS1_2schestowitz: I'll try this script I cobbled together, the next time you push a new IPFS index update. If it works, I'll set it up as a cron job. I've already got that hook I showed you earlier installed, so that is a part of this.Nov 12 17:03
vZS1_2https://pastebin.com/yXQjy2FzNov 12 17:03
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-#!/bin/bash# Keep all directory handling dynamic.repo_path="/home/pi/tec - Pastebin.comNov 12 17:03
schestowitzvZS1_2: questionNov 12 17:06
schestowitzdo you want to help script something to upload past irc logs too?Nov 12 17:06
schestowitzthose are easy to doNov 12 17:06
schestowitzI can help with pointersNov 12 17:06
schestowitzwe have 12+ years of IRC logsNov 12 17:07
vZS1_2When I have the time, sure.Nov 12 17:07
schestowitzwe can process a year's worthNov 12 17:07
schestowitz365x4Nov 12 17:07
schestowitzmaybe 60mb totalNov 12 17:07
schestowitzuncompressedNov 12 17:07
schestowitzit should also be possible to retroactively generate text versions for all prior daysNov 12 17:09
schestowitzI can think of a simple implementationNov 12 17:09
Ariadnei think we are at least another decade away from actual AINov 12 17:10
schestowitzloop through each day, get index in wordpress, get list of urls, then cycle one at a time, add to daily text fileNov 12 17:10
schestowitzAriadne: hey hi, 2030!Nov 12 17:11
schestowitzshow me to yoooor liddderNov 12 17:11
schestowitz(I usually say "hey hi" like those hollywood robots with the funny voice)Nov 12 17:11
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Ariadneschestowitz: i also think actual AI is not really something humans should pursueNov 12 17:14
Ariadneof course, the tech companies will anywayNov 12 17:14
schestowitzautomation I guessNov 12 17:14
schestowitz"hey hi" is way too vagueNov 12 17:14
vZS1_2Once I'm done automating index consumption and mirroring, I'll automate the whole IPFS setup as well. That way people can just set up a mirror on any *nix OS.Nov 12 17:14
schestowitzremember those chess-gaming enginesNov 12 17:14
schestowitzback in what... the 60s?Nov 12 17:14
Ariadneand when Amazon(r) Alexa(tm) becomes self-aware and hacks the nuclear codes and becomes Skynet and kills us all, welp, i'll have told them soNov 12 17:15
schestowitzmaybe even crude ones in the 50sNov 12 17:15
vZS1_2Reproducibility is important, that's why I'm automating everytihng from the start.Nov 12 17:15
schestowitzmost of today's "hey hi" is already miles ahead of the average trump supporterNov 12 17:15
Ariadneyes, but it's not hard AINov 12 17:15
Ariadneits largely decision trees and pattern matchingNov 12 17:15
schestowitzAriadne: not sure about the objective value of >old< archivesNov 12 17:15
schestowitzgiven that ipfs discoverability seems not to exist, like searchNov 12 17:16
schestowitzAriadne: many machine learning algos are thatNov 12 17:16
schestowitzneural networks, support vectors..Nov 12 17:16
Ariadneanyway, once quantum computing becomes economically feasible, hard AI is only one of several problems we will haveNov 12 17:16
schestowitzthey're just of a larger scale and more sophisticated with broader parameterisation spaceNov 12 17:16
schestowitzmore space/memory/cpuNov 12 17:17
schestowitzand the "clown"Nov 12 17:17
Ariadnecrypto as we know it being completely useless is another problem we will haveNov 12 17:17
schestowitzthe problem is ethicsNov 12 17:17
schestowitznot "hey hi" per seNov 12 17:17
schestowitzyou can make a drone kill people with dump operators,  so-called pilots'Nov 12 17:17
schestowitzand they'd just do itNov 12 17:17
schestowitzI was online friend with the biggest drone killerNov 12 17:18
CrystalMathAriadne: there is quantum safe cryptographyNov 12 17:18
schestowitzafter he had become a whisleblowerNov 12 17:18
schestowitzbryantNov 12 17:18
AriadneCrystalMath: yes, butNov 12 17:18
schestowitzhe killed over 1600 with his dronesNov 12 17:18
CrystalMathAriadne: i think it should already be deployed tbh; i have doubts that RSA is uncrackable even by traditional meansNov 12 17:18
AriadneCrystalMath: will it be deployed in time? :)Nov 12 17:18
CrystalMathimplementations of quantum safe crypto already existNov 12 17:18
AriadneyesNov 12 17:18
Ariadnei knowNov 12 17:18
Ariadnehowever, we are  not using themNov 12 17:19
CrystalMathbut yes it's not in GPGNov 12 17:19
CrystalMathwhich sucksNov 12 17:19
CrystalMathi heard that Jacob Appelbaum is working on thisNov 12 17:19
schestowitzhas he published papers from Eidenhoven?Nov 12 17:20
schestowitz(Spelling)Nov 12 17:20
vZS1_2Nothing in GPG, when used properly, can be brute forced by a computer based on quantum phsysics.Nov 12 17:20
vZS1_2Take your BS somewhere elseNov 12 17:21
vZS1_2And show a published paper that demonstrates the case, reproducibly.Nov 12 17:21
schestowitzcorporate media keeps using these termsNov 12 17:21
schestowitzlike people use tesla's nameNov 12 17:22
vZS1_2Oh. This guy is someone I ignored on my phone. Can see the reason now.Nov 12 17:22
Ariadnei don't know either way about GPG using QC-safe algorithmsNov 12 17:22
Ariadnei was talking more about shit like banksNov 12 17:22
Ariadnewhich are using state of the 1970s techNov 12 17:22
schestowitzand windows :-)Nov 12 17:23
vZS1_2ECDSA in particular, can't be touched by even the quantum computers of todayNov 12 17:23
schestowitzwell, Microsoft was founded 1975Nov 12 17:23
schestowitzbarely survived until IBM was pressured by bill's mom to give a dealNov 12 17:23
schestowitzamid antitrust woesNov 12 17:23
AriadnevZS1_2: yes, ECC is quantum-safe, if you use the right curveNov 12 17:23
Ariadneif you use the wrong curve, it is potentially worse than RSANov 12 17:23
schestowitzbad tech started with bad nepotismNov 12 17:23
Ariadnehince why people do not trust curve256p1Nov 12 17:24
schestowitzkikistocracy in the tech domainNov 12 17:24
Ariadnecurve25519 is likely QC safeNov 12 17:24
vZS1_2ECDSA with curve 25519 is resistant to computers orders of magnitude "more powerful" than any quantum computer today.Nov 12 17:24
Ariadnewhether RSA is QC safe is unknownNov 12 17:24
vZS1_2Bloody ignorant trollNov 12 17:24
Ariadnehas not been proven either wayNov 12 17:24
vZS1_2RSA is still unbrokenNov 12 17:25
vZS1_2No one has demonstrably broken it. Even with quantum computers.Nov 12 17:25
vZS1_22048 RSA and aboveNov 12 17:25
Ariadnein fairness, the quantum computers we have right now are quite limitedNov 12 17:25
Ariadnethat's why i said likely at least another decade before that pandora's box is openedNov 12 17:25
Ariadnebut either way, there's a lot of state of the 1970s crypto in use in all sorts of placesNov 12 17:26
vZS1_2That's just bad security policy.Nov 12 17:26
Ariadnecredit card processing is still standardized on 3DESNov 12 17:26
vZS1_2You won't see good security practices in consumer products.Nov 12 17:27
vZS1_2Very rareNov 12 17:27
vZS1_2Private security is in a much better state.Nov 12 17:27
Ariadnesure, it is possible for informed people to build their own constructions with superior cryptographic primitivesNov 12 17:29
Ariadnebut those informed people have to interface with the rest of the world to get things doneNov 12 17:29
Ariadneand if i were to bet, i would bet that NSA et al are working on plans to use their quantum computers to attack things like bitcoinNov 12 17:30
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Ariadnethe nation state has every reason to do so, reallyNov 12 17:32
vZS1_2A lot of these systems rely on not being accessible by the rest of the world. Hence "private", in a very literal sense.Nov 12 17:32
vZS1_2A 256-bit subkey (curve 25519) in GPG requires somewhere around 2^{128} bit operations to break. That's much more offered than any quantum computer available today.Nov 12 17:38
vZS1_2All computation requires a certain amount of heat. It's physically infeasible to do that many bit operations on even a quantum computer.Nov 12 17:40
vZS1_2The sun will expand and consume the earth before that many bit operations are done.Nov 12 17:40
vZS1_2^ On a quantum computerNov 12 17:41
CrystalMathvZS1_2: that is true, but what if there actually is an algorithm for fast factoring that we just don't know about?Nov 12 17:42
CrystalMathit's proven to be NP-complete, but that's not enoughNov 12 17:42
CrystalMathafter all, we don't know whether this class is really outside the class of P-problemsNov 12 17:42
CrystalMathi lean towards P != NPNov 12 17:43
vZS1_2Go prove it and claim your Turin Award.Nov 12 17:43
vZS1_2TuringNov 12 17:43
CrystalMathi actually lean towards the idea that it's impossibleNov 12 17:46
CrystalMathbut to be on the safe sideNov 12 17:46
CrystalMathit's better to go for problems proven to be NP-hardNov 12 17:46
CrystalMathwhich are safe from quantum attacks as wellNov 12 17:46
CrystalMathAriadne: bitcoin is not RSA-basedNov 12 17:47
CrystalMaththings like cryptographic hashes are still safeNov 12 17:47
AriadneCrystalMath: no, but it is hashing basedNov 12 17:48
CrystalMathalso, symmetric encryption is safeNov 12 17:48
CrystalMathAES-256Nov 12 17:48
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CrystalMathCAST5 has such a poor key size, i think a quantum computer will be able to break it in a monthNov 12 17:48
CrystalMathcanada's gonna need something better :PNov 12 17:48
Ariadnea lot of systems use AES-128 for speedNov 12 17:49
CrystalMathAES-256 is not feasibly crackable even by a quantum computerNov 12 17:49
MinceRhttps://pbs.twimg.com/media/Cho9NTEWwAA5_YF.jpgNov 12 17:54
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schestowitzhttps://www.techdirt.com/articles/20201107/19082845665/mississippi-city-trying-to-turn-residents-doorbell-cameras-into-law-enforcement-surveillance-network.shtml Nov 12 18:24
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Mississippi City Trying To Turn Residents' Doorbell Cameras Into Law Enforcement Surveillance Network | TechdirtNov 12 18:24
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-viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: Today in #Techrights โ€ข ๐•‹๐•ฆ๐•ฉ ๐•„๐•’๐•”๐•™๐•š๐•Ÿ๐•–๐•ค โ˜ž http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/144300 [https://pleroma.site/objects/b1ee3cc3-ecd4-4ce0-a80a-211e09a23a5b]Nov 12 18:39
DaemonFC[m]schestowitz: Ring Doorbells are being recalled now for burning people's houses down.Nov 12 18:40
schestowitzsmart firesNov 12 18:40
DaemonFC[m]Maybe Mandy's paranoid schizophrenic sister will be one of them.Nov 12 18:40
schestowitzthey target the stupid peopleNov 12 18:41
DaemonFC[m]Just like BMW, Apple, and the truck water people.Nov 12 18:43
-viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: Purism upgrades the Librem 5 Linux phone battery to 4,500 mAh ahead of shipping http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/144284#comment-27129 [https://pleroma.site/objects/1a776d2f-c7af-4591-8591-9d3bc419a12b]Nov 12 18:44
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-viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: #Android Leftovers โ€ข ๐•‹๐•ฆ๐•ฉ ๐•„๐•’๐•”๐•™๐•š๐•Ÿ๐•–๐•ค โ˜ž http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/144299 [https://pleroma.site/objects/c097806c-b9bc-4813-b622-aa37f2bbff6c]Nov 12 18:47
DaemonFC[m]schestowitz: The Private Internet Access Linux software got much better since the open sourcing and Wireguard.Nov 12 18:48
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schestowitzDaemonFC[m]: home insurance companies will start charging those "Smart" homeowners moreNov 12 18:52
schestowitzfor risk of fireNov 12 18:52
DaemonFC[m]Nice.Nov 12 18:56
DaemonFC[m]Mandy wanted one. I told him absolutely not.Nov 12 18:56
DaemonFC[m]Mom asked why. I said because they're spyware and they phone into marketing companies and Facebook behind your back, and the police can tap right into them without your permission or knowledge.Nov 12 18:57
schestowitzyou just join a police-led botnetsNov 12 18:57
schestowitzand you paid to join these botnetsNov 12 18:57
schestowitz*payNov 12 18:57
schestowitznot paidNov 12 18:57
schestowitzthey should PAY people to get theseNov 12 18:57
DaemonFC[m]Yeah, you pay and then maybe you end up like the guy in Michigan.Nov 12 18:57
DaemonFC[m]Whose own doorbell caught him committing a felony.Nov 12 18:57
DaemonFC[m]Now he's in court and what is he going to say?Nov 12 18:58
schestowitznot so smart thenNov 12 18:58
schestowitzmany people carry microphones with cams to all placesNov 12 18:58
schestowitzeven the toiletsNov 12 18:58
schestowitzsome wear them on the wrist nowNov 12 18:58
schestowitzlike prisoners.... actually, prisoners aren't allowed that yetNov 12 18:58
schestowitzso they can shit in peaceNov 12 18:58
schestowitzno wrist-worn wifi-connected camerasNov 12 18:59
schestowitzbecause that would be too "smart"Nov 12 18:59
DaemonFC[m]Cory Lewandowski, one of Trump's advisors, has the Coronavirus.Nov 12 19:03
DaemonFC[m]I always refer to him as Carl Brutananadilewski, like in Aqua Teen Hunger Force.Nov 12 19:03
DaemonFC[m]That fat New Jersey asshole they have next door who runs around in sandals, sweatpants, and a wife beater shirt, and always has bad ideas. Technically an antagonist, but usually too stupid to come up with anything truly threatening and often the butt of the jokes.Nov 12 19:04
DaemonFC[m]The comcast person put in my gmail account with a typo, but I was able to get in and fix that.Nov 12 19:06
DaemonFC[m]schestowitz: PIA plays too many games with their pricing.Nov 12 19:07
DaemonFC[m]Like there's usually a coupon you get if you click through from some affiliate site. Nov 12 19:08
DaemonFC[m]But it's only for new users so you have to let your subscription expire, find another referral, and make a new account.Nov 12 19:08
-viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: #Programming Leftovers โ€ข ๐•‹๐•ฆ๐•ฉ ๐•„๐•’๐•”๐•™๐•š๐•Ÿ๐•–๐•ค โ˜ž http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/144301 [https://pleroma.site/objects/9d0d1881-b956-4bc8-bb16-bf3d1bc847aa]Nov 12 19:10
Ariadne==> Installing Alpine Linux in /var/lib/lxc/mysql-shared/rootfsNov 12 19:12
Ariadnetime to get back to itNov 12 19:12
Ariadne:DNov 12 19:12
-viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: Todayโ€™s #HowTos | #UNIX โ€ข ๐•‹๐•ฆ๐•ฉ ๐•„๐•’๐•”๐•™๐•š๐•Ÿ๐•–๐•ค โ˜ž http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/144302 [https://pleroma.site/objects/2476b175-c21b-4375-97d3-13af291bcb89]Nov 12 19:16
-viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: Todayโ€™s ๐“๐ฎ๐ฑ ๐Œ๐š๐œ๐ก๐ข๐ง๐ž๐ฌ Leftovers โ€ข ๐•‹๐•ฆ๐•ฉ ๐•„๐•’๐•”๐•™๐•š๐•Ÿ๐•–๐•ค โ˜ž http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/144303 [https://pleroma.site/objects/71330973-968d-4a65-88e5-933f330e1787]Nov 12 19:18
-viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: Links 12/11/2020: Next Debian Theme, Proxmox Backup Server 1.0 โ€ข ๐Ÿ†ƒ๐Ÿ…ด๐Ÿ…ฒ๐Ÿ…ท๐Ÿ†๐Ÿ…ธ๐Ÿ…ถ๐Ÿ…ท๐Ÿ†ƒ๐Ÿ†‚ โ˜ž http://techrights.org/2020/11/12/next-debian-theme/ [https://pleroma.site/objects/9c970146-be68-4bef-b51f-a94d68b03560]Nov 12 19:27
XRevan86https://nitter.net/gvanrossum/status/1326932991566700549 huh? huhโ€ฆNov 12 19:28
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-nitter.net | Guido van Rossum (@gvanrossum): "I decided that retirement was boring and have joined the Developer Division at Microsoft. To do what? Too many options to say! But itโ€™ll make using Python better for sure (and not just on Windows :-). Thereโ€™s lots of open source here. Watch this space." | nitterNov 12 19:28
schestowitzPython is dead thenNov 12 19:35
schestowitzunless it's a satire accountNov 12 19:35
schestowitz[19:37] [Notice] -viera to #boycottnovell-social- Dr. Roy Schestowitz (็ฝ—ไผŠ): Deleting all #python from my RSS feeds right now. #deletePython [https://pleroma.site/objects/359d0009-6e7a-4112-9336-88bca10603a5]Nov 12 19:39
schestowitz[19:38] [Notice] -viera to #boycottnovell-social- Dr. Roy Schestowitz (็ฝ—ไผŠ): โ— NEWS โ— #Counterpunch โ˜ž I'm Not Convinced https://www.counterpunch.org/2020/11/11/im-not-convinced/ [https://pleroma.site/objects/83fe6184-ad8a-45d3-8ad4-bcfb98b59ac7]Nov 12 19:39
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-pleroma.siteNov 12 19:39
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-I'm Not Convinced - CounterPunch.orgNov 12 19:39
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-pleroma.siteNov 12 19:39
schestowitzHe's already shilling #microsoft #proprietary softwareNov 12 19:39
MinceRrip pythonNov 12 19:41
schestowitzyupNov 12 19:42
schestowitzit's all about moneyNov 12 19:42
schestowitzit was already getting disturbing when they took MS bribes and they advertised Azure for that moneyNov 12 19:43
schestowitzhis timeline is shilling bad stuffNov 12 19:43
schestowitzdropbox was bad enoughNov 12 19:43
schestowitzthis is even worseNov 12 19:43
schestowitzand some people tell us we're not under attackNov 12 19:43
schestowitzwhile they pay loads of money to recruit people to defectNov 12 19:43
schestowitzand to help attack our community projectsNov 12 19:44
schestowitzGuido van Icaza. Nov 12 19:54
vZS1What needs to change is the fanboyismNov 12 20:01
vZS1Newcomers to the community are the ones most vulnerable to this kind of shillingNov 12 20:03
vZS1Because they fanboy over "leaders"Nov 12 20:03
vZS1X said Y, so Y must be true.Nov 12 20:03
vZS1For arbitrary "leader" XNov 12 20:04
vZS1Python already pissed off a lot of people by dropping support for Python 2.Nov 12 20:05
vZS1Python leadership*Nov 12 20:06
DaemonFC[m]Windows wouldn't even by my 3rd choice anymore.Nov 12 20:08
DaemonFC[m]It's rotting so bad, and they're not even removing the shit. Like the control panel. They just swept the classic one under the rug so the binaries are still there but you can't open it unless you know some magic command.Nov 12 20:09
DaemonFC[m]It makes it appear to be less of a mess when you do hundreds of things like that without actually solving the mess, bloat, rotting code, etc. Nov 12 20:10
DaemonFC[m]It doesn't look like there's many important changes that landed in Ubuntu 20.10 or KDE Plasma Workspaces 5.19.Nov 12 20:11
DaemonFC[m]So I'll just stay on the LTS.Nov 12 20:11
DaemonFC[m]It's not worth getting back on those rapid releases when there's nothing new that's all that important.Nov 12 20:12
DaemonFC[m]My hardware is already well supported by the LTS, so there's that.Nov 12 20:12
DaemonFC[m]Apple is the one where every minor feature is a major feat of engineering.Nov 12 20:13
oiaohmvZS1: do remember python 2 is open source and no one was willing to put up the resources to keep it maintained once they saw the internal problems.Nov 12 20:13
DaemonFC[m]Throw out the computer. The new one has Dark Mode. Herp derp.Nov 12 20:13
vZS1icodeNov 12 20:14
MinceRlolNov 12 20:14
oiaohmvZS1: https://snarky.ca/why-python-3-exists/   python 3 comes out of unfixable design errors in python2 causing a lot of fun errors.Nov 12 20:18
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-snarky.ca | Why Python 3 existsNov 12 20:18
oiaohmThere is no way to fix those errors without breaking python 2 exact compadiblity.Nov 12 20:18
oiaohmAvoiding those errors in python2 also means making your code python3 compadible.Nov 12 20:19
DaemonFC[m]Comcast just hit my modem with new firmware.Nov 12 20:19
DaemonFC[m]That brought down my internet connection apparently.Nov 12 20:19
DaemonFC[m]It's back up now.Nov 12 20:19
oiaohmI have a backup modem.Nov 12 20:20
oiaohmJust in case they brick it.Nov 12 20:20
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DaemonFC[m]I'm surprised Netgear is still sending new firmware out for something from 2013, myself.Nov 12 20:21
oiaohmBeing netgear if it a carrier provided moden the carrier can have the complete source to build new versions.Nov 12 20:22
oiaohmSo that might not be netgear that could be comcast made update.Nov 12 20:23
oiaohmOf course that can really increase the risk of bricked it.Nov 12 20:23
MinceRhttps://www.smbc-comics.com/comic/trolley-2Nov 12 20:27
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.smbc-comics.com | Saturday Morning Breakfast Cereal - TrolleyNov 12 20:27
-viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: Microsoft Playing Hardball and Talking โ€™Double Dutchโ€™ to Undermine the Free Software Community โ€ข ๐Ÿ†ƒ๐Ÿ…ด๐Ÿ…ฒ๐Ÿ…ท๐Ÿ†๐Ÿ…ธ๐Ÿ…ถ๐Ÿ…ท๐Ÿ†ƒ๐Ÿ†‚ โ˜ž http://techrights.org/2020/11/12/microsoft-playing-double-dutch/ [https://pleroma.site/objects/69366ea2-2223-4f4b-b483-f8fec3f55f4a]Nov 12 20:28
schestowitzXRevan86: MinceR ^^Nov 12 20:29
schestowitzpart of a patternNov 12 20:29
schestowitzAriadne: is now a good time for a 2-hour nap for me? or later on?Nov 12 20:29
MinceRi guess it's time for me to look for another lisp dialect to target instead of hyNov 12 20:30
MinceRi guess i'll go with common lispNov 12 20:30
schestowitz(I want to help where I can, the migration...)Nov 12 20:30
vZS1After I automate this IPFS thing, fully, I'm going to sit down and do some more Haskell programming.Nov 12 20:35
vZS1I've been enjoy Haskell a lot.Nov 12 20:35
vZS1enjoying*Nov 12 20:36
vZS1The immutability is really niceNov 12 20:37
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MinceRespecially for implementing algorithms that depend on mutable state :>Nov 12 20:44
vZS1That's all magic we don't talk aboutNov 12 20:47
MinceRmathemagicNov 12 20:47
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schestowitzgoing to napNov 12 20:54
schestowitzback around midnight to generate the daily filesNov 12 20:54
MinceRhave funNov 12 20:55
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DaemonFC[m]<oiaohm "Being netgear if it a carrier pr"> It's not a carrier modem.Nov 12 21:09
DaemonFC[m]Bought it to avoid paying Comcast $6 a month in 2013 and now they charge $14 a month for a modem.Nov 12 21:09
XRevan86One good thing is that he is no longer in charge.Nov 12 21:17
MinceR(cat) https://full.pr0gramm.com/2020/09/14/22eed561963bdc1a.jpgNov 12 21:34
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CrystalMathi started a channel known as ##antihumanism for people who realize humans are a threat to the planetNov 12 22:08
CrystalMathtbh, it's very much like an alien invasion...Nov 12 22:08
CrystalMathin every alien invasion movie, you have aliens landing and using superior technology to destroy everythingNov 12 22:09
CrystalMathwell that's exactly what's happening to our planetNov 12 22:09
CrystalMathonly we are the aliensNov 12 22:09
CrystalMathand we're the bad onesNov 12 22:09
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DaemonFC[m]I was looking at the Wikipedia entry for Alzheimer's Disease.Nov 12 22:44
DaemonFC[m]About the only countries not severely affected are the ones where hardly anyone makes it past 65 anyway.Nov 12 22:44
DaemonFC[m]People are blaming everything for it though, but again...it scales with life expectancy. Maybe it's just something we'll never solve.Nov 12 22:46
smnthermes> โ€Ž[17:18:16] โ€ŽTechrightsBot-trโ€Ž: [notice] snarky.ca | Why Python 3 existsNov 12 22:48
smnthermesThe Unicode part is a bit silly, because much documentation is only available in English anyway, so Nov 12 22:48
DaemonFC[m]schestowitz: Walmart's pulling a fast one.Nov 12 22:48
DaemonFC[m]They have an ibotta offer saying free Thanksgiving dinner, and then the actual products aren't in any of the stores when you get there.Nov 12 22:48
MinceRassuming that everything is unicode will only end in tears anywayNov 12 22:48
DaemonFC[m]Or cows.Nov 12 22:49
DaemonFC[m]UnicowsNov 12 22:49
DaemonFC[m].dllNov 12 22:49
MinceRhttps://i.imgur.com/4cMJrae.pngNov 12 22:49
DaemonFC[m]https://runescape.fandom.com/wiki/UnicowNov 12 22:50
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-runescape.fandom.com | Unicow | RuneScape Wiki | FandomNov 12 22:50
MinceRRunEscapeNov 12 22:51
DaemonFC[m]Al BundyNov 12 22:51
DaemonFC[m]"Well then here's what I'll do. I'll start strangling you. When you reach the shade of blue that is acceptable to you, yell moo, and I'll stop.".Nov 12 22:52
MinceR:)Nov 12 22:52
DaemonFC[m]I actually have a Hulu and a Netflix account.Nov 12 22:55
DaemonFC[m]Mom shared her Netflix password and Sprint offered me a Hulu account and my phone bill is the same with or without it.Nov 12 22:55
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vZS1My family all use my Netflix accountNov 12 23:07
DaemonFC[m]Ah, there we go. Found thee disable WPS PIN.Nov 12 23:07
DaemonFC[m]Now REAVER attacks shouldn't work. Nov 12 23:07
vZS1I think I can have Netflix simultaneously logged in on 4 devices, for my account.Nov 12 23:08
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DaemonFC[m]Yeah, the COVID is just getting....Nov 12 23:57
DaemonFC[m]This is turning into The Stand.Nov 12 23:58
DaemonFC[m]We set new records for the third day in a row.Nov 12 23:58
DaemonFC[m]It's already over 150,000 new cases today.Nov 12 23:58

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