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MinceR | all of the EU is pretty toothless | Nov 12 00:03 |
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schestowitz | sadly | Nov 12 00:12 |
schestowitz | http://techrights.org/ipfs/txt updated, vZS1 | Nov 12 00:30 |
schestowitz | I made several notable improvements, though some would consider them not improvements | Nov 12 00:30 |
schestowitz | adjustment of decorations horizontally | Nov 12 00:31 |
schestowitz | vertically some spacing added | Nov 12 00:31 |
schestowitz | more use of unicode | Nov 12 00:31 |
schestowitz | recent CIDs index | Nov 12 00:31 |
schestowitz | some bug fixes also | Nov 12 00:31 |
schestowitz | http://techrights.org/txt | Nov 12 00:32 |
schestowitz | tested in fireofx, falkon, bash/cli, kate | Nov 12 00:32 |
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sebsebseb | MinceR: Apple | Nov 12 00:32 |
schestowitz | hi, sebsebseb | Nov 12 00:32 |
MinceR | sebsebseb: Dehomag | Nov 12 00:32 |
sebsebseb | schestowitz: I wasnt going to come here just now but just read something, and its similar to how i feel part of it | Nov 12 00:33 |
sebsebseb | schestowitz: MinceR stupid pandemic that ruins relationships | Nov 12 00:33 |
sebsebseb | https://www.reddit.com/r/COVID19_support/comments/gevlaa/this_pandemic_ruined_a_budding_relationship_and_i/ | Nov 12 00:34 |
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.reddit.com | This pandemic ruined a budding relationship and I just wanna rant about it : COVID19_support | Nov 12 00:34 | |
sebsebseb | schestowitz: MinceR I am in limbo still get feelings for my ex at times, despite all the issues that were, and cant properly move on currentlly, since things are still generally messed up a lot | Nov 12 00:35 |
schestowitz | sebsebseb: in what sense? | Nov 12 00:43 |
schestowitz | I suppose if you do not live together, it'll complicate things | Nov 12 00:44 |
schestowitz | not to mention people who hope to be dating other people | Nov 12 00:44 |
schestowitz | they can even get fined | Nov 12 00:44 |
sebsebseb | schestowitz: yeah it was the day before lock down and she broke up online etc | Nov 12 00:45 |
sebsebseb | schestowitz: covd stuff helped ruin things in the end, since she thought was just a flue | Nov 12 00:46 |
MinceR | (cat) https://img.pr0gramm.com/2020/09/15/c20dcd900fde5f7e.jpg | Nov 12 00:46 |
sebsebseb | schestowitz: its been months but still get fdeelings at times, things werent meant to end how they did, with a big no contact and not like that | Nov 12 00:46 |
sebsebseb | schestowitz: also thigs may of ended by now but it may of been more on my terms otherwuise | Nov 12 00:47 |
schestowitz | covid can also be an excuse | Nov 12 00:47 |
sebsebseb | or in a more usual way some how | Nov 12 00:48 |
schestowitz | for people to reject unwanted dates | Nov 12 00:48 |
schestowitz | "i have covid, goodbye... stay away from me" | Nov 12 00:48 |
sebsebseb | schestowitz: well she was different from most people in certain ways, and their were issues at times for sure, but also had good times | Nov 12 00:49 |
schestowitz | seems off topic for this channel anyway | Nov 12 00:49 |
schestowitz | tbh | Nov 12 00:49 |
sebsebseb | schestowitz: no she didnt get covid, or that i kow, she didnt understand that more than just a flue etc, the economy doesnt just mostly close down | Nov 12 00:49 |
sebsebseb | schestowitz: so yeah I get a ex gf, but I still get Linux, I still have Tux | Nov 12 00:50 |
sebsebseb | schestowitz: oh Tux has been there for me since 2004 | Nov 12 00:50 |
sebsebseb | Tux doesnt just disaper on me | Nov 12 00:51 |
sebsebseb | and he likes to tease MinceR by being used with System D! | Nov 12 00:51 |
MinceR | what's next? cutting off your ears and nose to tease me? | Nov 12 00:52 |
sebsebseb | MinceR: nope Tux wants to keep those :?) | Nov 12 00:52 |
sebsebseb | MinceR: but you can offend him by cutting them off his image in The GIMP | Nov 12 00:53 |
sebsebseb | But yes Tux been there for so long, but to be honest, I am not attracted to him as much anymore, I am losing interest in certain ways | Nov 12 00:54 |
sebsebseb | MinceR: Apple is trying to look attractive to MinceR | Nov 12 00:58 |
sebsebseb | with the lip stick and everything | Nov 12 00:58 |
MinceR | they're doing it wrong | Nov 12 00:59 |
MinceR | (audio:important) https://hugelolcdn.com/v/699564.mp4 | Nov 12 00:59 |
sebsebseb | MinceR: yes roads in the pre pandemic | Nov 12 01:00 |
MinceR | also during the pandemic, in budapest | Nov 12 01:01 |
sebsebseb | MinceR: roads before we all got put into this well parrel world in certain ways | Nov 12 01:01 |
MinceR | almost everyone pretends there's no pandemic here | Nov 12 01:01 |
MinceR | there was a short period in the spring when the city was almost usable | Nov 12 01:01 |
MinceR | well, at least as far as getting to places in a car was concerned | Nov 12 01:01 |
sebsebseb | MinceR: yes there was a period in the spring with a mostly empty car park around the corner | Nov 12 01:02 |
MinceR | rat-lickers were already congregating on street corners so you couldn't avoid the virions spraying out of their pork-traps | Nov 12 01:02 |
sebsebseb | MinceR: sadly in tgis new world i am single again | Nov 12 01:02 |
sebsebseb | MinceR: and looks like will be for months to come, quite likly years | Nov 12 01:03 |
sebsebseb | MinceR: but Tux will still be there for ne if i want him to be uh | Nov 12 01:04 |
oiaohm | Really when a relationship ends people always find some third party excuse so its not one of them at fault. | Nov 12 01:11 |
oiaohm | You see the same kind of thing used to attempt explain domestic violence. | Nov 12 01:12 |
MinceR | if someone doesn't want to blame themselves and doesn't want to blame someone they used to love, that's the remaining option | Nov 12 01:13 |
sebsebseb | oiaohm: oh yeah this one was veery stubborn, always thought she was right even if she was actually wrong, and coudnt see the other side to things # | Nov 12 01:14 |
oiaohm | But its a dangerous pattern not to accept the possibility that you are at fault. | Nov 12 01:14 |
oiaohm | sebsebseb: of course you would not have done everything right either. | Nov 12 01:15 |
MinceR | there are many dangerous patterns in human minds | Nov 12 01:15 |
sebsebseb | oiaohm: thought i was intentionally annoying her at times even, when actually i said certain things because i cared about her | Nov 12 01:15 |
oiaohm | That got all the marking of communication failure. Yours and hers communications patterns were not compadible. | Nov 12 01:17 |
sebsebseb | oiaohm: also had break up threats at times, when she wasnt just gettig some things her way, and going on about covid a week online didnt help | Nov 12 01:17 |
oiaohm | That 100 percent a releationship you don't want to be in long term. | Nov 12 01:17 |
oiaohm | Threats to get ones way is a really bad sign. | Nov 12 01:18 |
sebsebseb | oiaohm: she had a disability and such too, | Nov 12 01:18 |
sebsebseb | oiaohm: their were lots of problems in the end , and it wasnt a usual relationship, far from it really, but rather have some contact with her, than none at all | Nov 12 01:19 |
oiaohm | I have worked around disabled first thing you are told don't give them any allowance for bad behaviour because of the disablity. | Nov 12 01:19 |
MinceR | https://hugelolcdn.com/i/699821.jpg | Nov 12 01:19 |
oiaohm | Even items like ticks can be corrected with stub treatment. | Nov 12 01:20 |
oiaohm | To a point. | Nov 12 01:20 |
MinceR | i correct ticks with a pair of tweezers | Nov 12 01:20 |
MinceR | except in doom3, there i used a machinegun instead | Nov 12 01:21 |
oiaohm | Yes working in rehabilitation at a time you at times feel like you are a complete ass and then 12 months latter they are thanking you for it because it works. | Nov 12 01:21 |
sebsebseb | oiaohm: it was nice having her over usuallly, and doing things togetheer, although she would get eayilly annoyed over the slightest things as things got generally more serious | Nov 12 01:21 |
oiaohm | This is one of these things humans be it female or male always have the idea they can correct the person they have interest in faults as in it will get better. | Nov 12 01:22 |
oiaohm | When in reality a person can only correct their own faults if they are interested to. | Nov 12 01:23 |
sebsebseb | oiaohm: yes she might reolise one day that I said certain things at times because i generally cared about her, her general well being etc, although things that at the time may of not sounded that nice some of it etc | Nov 12 01:23 |
sebsebseb | oiaohm: maybe should pm a bit actually :) | Nov 12 01:24 |
oiaohm | More likely she will just find someone who enabled her to keep her bad absustive behavour and need a completely disaster relationship before waking up. | Nov 12 01:25 |
sebsebseb | oiaohm: i think with the previous guy she had things pretty much her way, but even there things didnt go that well towards the end of that, hece wanting to start something with me so quickly | Nov 12 01:26 |
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DaemonFC[m] | I do like the fact that Wireguard is so small. | Nov 12 01:29 |
schestowitz | in Linux it is | Nov 12 01:31 |
schestowitz | in terms of lines of code | Nov 12 01:31 |
schestowitz | but that does not mean it cannot be bloated | Nov 12 01:31 |
schestowitz | or flawed | Nov 12 01:31 |
schestowitz | it makes it harder to sneak in malicious things into it, undetected | Nov 12 01:31 |
schestowitz | but then you consider Linux bloat and antifeatures | Nov 12 01:32 |
schestowitz | including DRM | Nov 12 01:32 |
schestowitz | so you can't really tell what >really< goes on in that kernel, in practice, with binary drivers and firmware and all | Nov 12 01:32 |
schestowitz | MinceR: clever | Nov 12 01:33 |
schestowitz | the joke | Nov 12 01:33 |
schestowitz | though those most likely to find it offensive won't "get it" | Nov 12 01:34 |
MinceR | :> | Nov 12 01:34 |
MinceR | that's the way it usually is | Nov 12 01:34 |
schestowitz | [00:50] <sebsebseb> schestowitz: oh Tux has been there for me since 2004 | Nov 12 01:35 |
schestowitz | Tux died | Nov 12 01:35 |
schestowitz | it's owned by monopolies now | Nov 12 01:35 |
schestowitz | and exploited by the LF as their front | Nov 12 01:35 |
schestowitz | better to focus on GNU while it lasts | Nov 12 01:35 |
schestowitz | seeing FSF and FSFE aren't functioning too well as of late | Nov 12 01:35 |
schestowitz | MinceR: hurry up, finish up your humour | Nov 12 01:35 |
schestowitz | some kids in India have run out of it | Nov 12 01:36 |
schestowitz | and they're not laughing | Nov 12 01:36 |
*XRevan86 is offended by not getting the joke. | Nov 12 01:36 | |
XRevan86 | An offensively hard to get joke. | Nov 12 01:36 |
MinceR | https://res.cloudinary.com/teepublic/image/private/s--oFfL4-2K--/t_Preview/b_rgb:191919,c_limit,f_jpg,h_630,q_90,w_630/v1522351167/production/designs/2541934_0.jpg | Nov 12 01:36 |
schestowitz | humour that offends was a think in the 90s | Nov 12 01:37 |
schestowitz | it could be done without fear | Nov 12 01:37 |
schestowitz | and without a black having to be the one using the N word etc. | Nov 12 01:37 |
schestowitz | now a lot of potentially funny jokes can be spun as racist | Nov 12 01:38 |
schestowitz | unless one jokes about one's own race | Nov 12 01:38 |
XRevan86 | schestowitz: Trump and Arabs are of the same race. | Nov 12 01:40 |
schestowitz | here's the thing about race | Nov 12 01:40 |
schestowitz | I don't get it | Nov 12 01:40 |
schestowitz | neither do geneticists | Nov 12 01:40 |
schestowitz | some say it's a largely man-made concept as is, in the way it's assessd | Nov 12 01:41 |
schestowitz | you could talk about genetic deviations | Nov 12 01:41 |
schestowitz | but then again nobody is identical | Nov 12 01:41 |
XRevan86 | It's a loose clarification that will get less and less useful with time. | Nov 12 01:41 |
MinceR | there's an orange race? | Nov 12 01:41 |
schestowitz | and you could assess chromosomes and measures kinship or similarity | Nov 12 01:41 |
schestowitz | MinceR: in Ireland | Nov 12 01:41 |
MinceR | :> | Nov 12 01:41 |
schestowitz | also a political party | Nov 12 01:41 |
MinceR | i mean with orange skin, not orange hair | Nov 12 01:42 |
schestowitz | XRevan86: I've just checked the border between n korea and russia | Nov 12 01:42 |
schestowitz | I realise the river is the border | Nov 12 01:42 |
schestowitz | and you could do 10km runs across the border | Nov 12 01:42 |
schestowitz | on the waterside even | Nov 12 01:42 |
schestowitz | I wonder if Russians in that area share an east asian kind of look | Nov 12 01:42 |
schestowitz | Like some Kamchatkans | Nov 12 01:43 |
schestowitz | or Eskimos | Nov 12 01:43 |
schestowitz | and I wonder why that border even exists. Did China and Russia settle on sharing that border/area? | Nov 12 01:43 |
XRevan86 | schestowitz: Of course, the native population didn't just vanish. | Nov 12 01:43 |
schestowitz | there must have been some historical disputes over that area, maybe after ww2 when japan receded | Nov 12 01:44 |
schestowitz | also, do some n koreans try to cross the river to russia? | Nov 12 01:44 |
XRevan86 | schestowitz: That I don't know. I do know that North Koreans work in Russia. | Nov 12 01:45 |
DaemonFC[m] | I have half a mind to send a letter to "Former" State's Attorney Mike Nerheim telling him "Byeeee". Nothing obscene. Nothing actionable. Just making fun of him on the way out. His term ends in December so I'll send it in a week or two in order to make sure that his office has no time left to pay me any attention. | Nov 12 01:46 |
DaemonFC[m] | Just an "I fart in your general direction.". | Nov 12 01:47 |
schestowitz | XRevan86: at least you get along with them | Nov 12 01:47 |
DaemonFC[m] | He really wanted a third term. | Nov 12 01:47 |
DaemonFC[m] | His signs and billboards were up all over Lake County. | Nov 12 01:47 |
DaemonFC[m] | I was like "Well, he won the yard sign war. People are idiots. They'll probably just vote for him because of this.". | Nov 12 01:48 |
DaemonFC[m] | Sometimes I'm wrong, and sometimes when I'm wrong I'm glad that I was wrong. | Nov 12 01:48 |
XRevan86 | schestowitz: I guess, but I haven't seen any, it's just some areas of the country. | Nov 12 01:48 |
schestowitz | there was a time Israel allowed many Palestinian workers in and I think the US is the same with Mexico | Nov 12 01:49 |
schestowitz | or was | Nov 12 01:49 |
schestowitz | in the UK we're an island | Nov 12 01:49 |
schestowitz | so no such situation, except if you count ethnic ghettos | Nov 12 01:49 |
schestowitz | XRevan86: either way, Biden will help Russia in the sense that it'll end lots of the Russophobia | Nov 12 01:50 |
schestowitz | (i think) | Nov 12 01:50 |
DaemonFC[m] | There were a lot of people that let Nerheim put a sign in their yard. | Nov 12 01:50 |
schestowitz | we might never know to what degree, if any, Putin and friends helped shape the Web and other things to roll out a red carpet for the US saboteur | Nov 12 01:50 |
DaemonFC[m] | But it apparently did not reflect his support among actual voters. | Nov 12 01:50 |
schestowitz | the US won't recover in any meaningful way, except the super-rich, who might leave | Nov 12 01:51 |
schestowitz | to me, the US is mostly finished | Nov 12 01:51 |
schestowitz | 71 million voting for Nazi | Nov 12 01:51 |
DaemonFC[m] | I noticed it was mostly businesses that let him plant the big ones in their lawn. Very odd considering the amount of criminals he flat out refused to prosecute. | Nov 12 01:51 |
schestowitz | and the economy in the gutter... for like 90% of working or unemployed people | Nov 12 01:51 |
DaemonFC[m] | Including the Burn, Loot, Murder ones. | Nov 12 01:51 |
XRevan86 | schestowitz: "Russophobia" is a vague term, I see all kinds of things shoved into it including valid concerns and even Russians opposing Putin. | Nov 12 01:51 |
schestowitz | XRevan86: DaemonFC[m] is unemployed | Nov 12 01:52 |
schestowitz | but not lazy | Nov 12 01:52 |
schestowitz | lots like him | Nov 12 01:52 |
schestowitz | wanting to or eager to work | Nov 12 01:52 |
schestowitz | but only terrible jobs still available | Nov 12 01:52 |
schestowitz | his parents also, esp. the father | Nov 12 01:52 |
schestowitz | so they vote for Fuhrer | Nov 12 01:52 |
DaemonFC[m] | Dad has had contract jobs since 20 years ago. | Nov 12 01:52 |
DaemonFC[m] | He gets on somewhere and the pay is alright but no benefits. | Nov 12 01:52 |
schestowitz | Russophobia means different things to different people | Nov 12 01:53 |
DaemonFC[m] | Then he has to go buy terrible and expensive health insurance somewhere. | Nov 12 01:53 |
schestowitz | same with labels like antiAmerican and antiSemitism | Nov 12 01:53 |
XRevan86 | Like the Troll Farm is real and even has an address in St. Petersburg. | Nov 12 01:53 |
DaemonFC[m] | So what does he do? Complains about some reforms that made things less awful. | Nov 12 01:53 |
schestowitz | some conflate those with opposing the current party in power | Nov 12 01:53 |
schestowitz | or disliking the nation | Nov 12 01:53 |
schestowitz | or its people | Nov 12 01:53 |
schestowitz | XRevan86: US has those also | Nov 12 01:54 |
schestowitz | maybe lots more in more countries | Nov 12 01:54 |
DaemonFC[m] | I'm no fan of the Affordable Care Act because it is not affordable health care. | Nov 12 01:54 |
schestowitz | but their interference is OK 'coz we're the GOODGUYS(TM)" | Nov 12 01:54 |
DaemonFC[m] | But it's what we have and it's less of a disaster than what it replaced. | Nov 12 01:54 |
schestowitz | DaemonFC[m]: Biden will fail you | Nov 12 01:54 |
schestowitz | less than Trump | Nov 12 01:54 |
schestowitz | but get ready | Nov 12 01:54 |
DaemonFC[m] | And if the Republican lawsuits against it prevailed, we would end up with an economy that's even more in the shitter, and people piling into bankruptcy court like crazy. | Nov 12 01:54 |
schestowitz | transition team full of lobbyists | Nov 12 01:54 |
schestowitz | banks, military... | Nov 12 01:54 |
DaemonFC[m] | On top of the pandemic stuff. | Nov 12 01:55 |
schestowitz | I am HAPPY that Biden won | Nov 12 01:55 |
DaemonFC[m] | schestowitz: At least my bankruptcy went through. | Nov 12 01:55 |
schestowitz | but SAD | Nov 12 01:55 |
schestowitz | that he was the one running against Trump | Nov 12 01:55 |
schestowitz | because it means not much meaningful change for working people | Nov 12 01:55 |
XRevan86 | schestowitz: What I see here is stuff like Radio Freedom, and at least in contemporary Russia they're delivering decent journalism now and then. | Nov 12 01:55 |
DaemonFC[m] | Mark rented to us after those assholes at Briarwood Apartments called the police because I asked how I could help them with their "errors". | Nov 12 01:55 |
DaemonFC[m] | I say "errors" because those were deliberate in order to deny us housing and to "make it legal". | Nov 12 01:56 |
schestowitz | XRevan86: so embolden and support them | Nov 12 01:56 |
schestowitz | until they get poisoned and barely flown to Germany | Nov 12 01:56 |
MinceR | https://hugelolcdn.com/i/699762.jpg | Nov 12 01:56 |
XRevan86 | I mention it is because Radio Freedom is a US propaganda project. | Nov 12 01:56 |
schestowitz | It can be useful nonetheless | Nov 12 01:57 |
schestowitz | if it highlights things Russian media is afraid to | Nov 12 01:57 |
schestowitz | foreign media can help introspection | Nov 12 01:58 |
schestowitz | that's why it's often obstructed under the guise of "foreign agent/cy" | Nov 12 01:58 |
XRevan86 | It's earth and the heavens compared to the stuff Putin's propaganda pukes out. | Nov 12 01:58 |
schestowitz | its goal is to highlight things that are risky to say/show from the inside | Nov 12 01:58 |
schestowitz | in MINDS there's this nasty user from Russia who defends Putin and his regime | Nov 12 01:59 |
schestowitz | he's also a Trump fan | Nov 12 01:59 |
schestowitz | and always mocks the targets of Putin's assassination, poisoning, framing, imprisonment | Nov 12 01:59 |
schestowitz | MINDS is generally a hive of really nasty people | Nov 12 01:59 |
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schestowitz | maybe 20% of them (that I see) are OK people | Nov 12 01:59 |
schestowitz | or maybe they're there in bigger numbers albeit quieter | Nov 12 02:00 |
XRevan86 | Maybe it's Shygorin :) | Nov 12 02:00 |
schestowitz | you can get almost nothing of value from social control media | Nov 12 02:00 |
XRevan86 | * Shigorin | Nov 12 02:00 |
schestowitz | https://www.minds.com/newsfeed/1166491592029421568?focusedCommentUrn=urn:comment:1166491592029421568:0:0:0:1166497556989587456 | Nov 12 02:00 |
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-It was only a matter of time before #AstonVilla loses, ... | Minds | Nov 12 02:00 | |
schestowitz | it's the one in the comment here | Nov 12 02:00 |
schestowitz | you can follow and see timeline of his | Nov 12 02:00 |
schestowitz | (or her) | Nov 12 02:01 |
schestowitz | *hers | Nov 12 02:01 |
XRevan86 | "Nice arseโฆ but I need love" โ indeed, this person is worth reading. | Nov 12 02:02 |
schestowitz | we need to rebel against social control media | Nov 12 02:02 |
schestowitz | but I'm not sure how | Nov 12 02:02 |
schestowitz | without participating it in a write-only fashion | Nov 12 02:02 |
schestowitz | the web in general is a problem | Nov 12 02:02 |
schestowitz | it's not created FOR propaganda | Nov 12 02:03 |
schestowitz | because you see where it came from | Nov 12 02:03 |
schestowitz | and how it evolved | Nov 12 02:03 |
schestowitz | social control media used to be myspace, digg | Nov 12 02:03 |
schestowitz | I think those were hijacked and leveraged by power structures | Nov 12 02:03 |
schestowitz | same for wikipedia | Nov 12 02:03 |
schestowitz | they identity their potential | Nov 12 02:03 |
schestowitz | and then poison these | Nov 12 02:03 |
schestowitz | we need dweb, text only, encryption etc. | Nov 12 02:03 |
schestowitz | the www isn't giving us that | Nov 12 02:04 |
XRevan86 | "You're beautiful. I'm ugly. We are a perfect couple. A plus to a minus." | Nov 12 02:04 |
schestowitz | "One of the biggest ironies in development is Git being centralised. Not too surprising though, it's what these sorts of assholes always do: Internet decentralises communication, so LE centralises HTTPS, FB centralises the web, GH centralises git." http://techrights.org/wiki/index.php/New_buffer_2:2 | Nov 12 02:04 |
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | New buffer 2:2 - Techrights | Nov 12 02:04 | |
schestowitz | -fig | Nov 12 02:04 |
XRevan86 | These are two separate posts, no other context is provided. I think he just likes Inspirational Quotes | Nov 12 02:04 |
XRevan86 | schestowitz: I read a bit of his VK feed, and I think he's a tankie. | Nov 12 02:06 |
schestowitz | who? | Nov 12 02:07 |
schestowitz | the user? | Nov 12 02:07 |
XRevan86 | https://vk.com/wall207061770_17486 what a twist! | Nov 12 02:07 |
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-americans today in position when :.. | Gaaa Garin | VK | Nov 12 02:07 | |
XRevan86 | schestowitz: Yes, this person. | Nov 12 02:07 |
schestowitz | ah | Nov 12 02:07 |
schestowitz | not much of value | Nov 12 02:08 |
schestowitz | which is true for a lot of MINDS BTW | Nov 12 02:09 |
schestowitz | it got worse over time | Nov 12 02:09 |
schestowitz | GAB the same | Nov 12 02:09 |
schestowitz | this parler thing... never checked it | Nov 12 02:09 |
schestowitz | not even to understand the types there | Nov 12 02:09 |
schestowitz | the web is balkanised now | Nov 12 02:09 |
schestowitz | even in the social control media sense | Nov 12 02:10 |
schestowitz | so people are only exposed to people they agree with | Nov 12 02:10 |
schestowitz | and it makes people hate other groups even more | Nov 12 02:10 |
XRevan86 | Vladivostok is a corrupt and impoverished city | Nov 12 02:10 |
schestowitz | is that where he is from? | Nov 12 02:11 |
XRevan86 | At least this seems to be a real person and not a kremlinbot. | Nov 12 02:11 |
XRevan86 | schestowitz: Yes, mentioned many times. | Nov 12 02:11 |
schestowitz | vexing account nonetheless | Nov 12 02:11 |
schestowitz | lots of shitposting from him | Nov 12 02:11 |
schestowitz | in comments left on my posts there | Nov 12 02:11 |
schestowitz | also misogyny | Nov 12 02:11 |
schestowitz | where I define that as attacking purely on the gender angle | Nov 12 02:12 |
schestowitz | not the substance... it's OK to 'attack' a female, but not for being a female | Nov 12 02:12 |
schestowitz | with trumpsters it seems fashionable to just target women for being women and minorities likewise | Nov 12 02:12 |
schestowitz | the pres. does the same | Nov 12 02:12 |
schestowitz | in twitter tweets | Nov 12 02:12 |
schestowitz | and twitter tolerates this (For him at least) | Nov 12 02:12 |
schestowitz | would be funny if twitter suspends his account jan 20th | Nov 12 02:13 |
schestowitz | and you can't see him rage-tweeting | Nov 12 02:13 |
schestowitz | or using press events in the WH as a platform | Nov 12 02:13 |
schestowitz | as he's more or less muted | Nov 12 02:13 |
XRevan86 | https://vk.com/photo207061770_456239122 could be a photograph of him | Nov 12 02:14 |
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Gaaa's wall photos โ 410 photos | VK | Nov 12 02:14 | |
XRevan86 | It's strange for a "Communist" to go for a gender angle but I guess everything's possible with his kind. | Nov 12 02:15 |
MinceR | (cat) (audio:unimportant) https://vid.pr0gramm.com/2020/09/15/6a357ebf762d0a00.mp4 | Nov 12 02:17 |
schestowitz | nice | Nov 12 02:20 |
schestowitz | XRevan86: looks female | Nov 12 02:20 |
schestowitz | or maybe lad with long hair | Nov 12 02:20 |
schestowitz | and reebok shirt | Nov 12 02:20 |
schestowitz | I could crack a joke if it was Adidas | Nov 12 02:20 |
XRevan86 | schestowitz: That's definitely a bloke on the photo. About ~20 years old. | Nov 12 02:21 |
MinceR | :> | Nov 12 02:21 |
schestowitz | XRevan86: that would explain a lot | Nov 12 02:21 |
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XRevan86 | schestowitz: I don't see a single hint that he's interested in tech. | Nov 12 02:27 |
XRevan86 | https://youtu.be/2Eig6lPbBAQ oh, those are his own videos! | Nov 12 02:29 |
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XRevan86 | 12 views, 0 likes, 1 dislike | Nov 12 02:31 |
XRevan86 | https://youtu.be/g5gKB-iwQkw 8 people saw this very interesting video on the evolution of opinion about the US parties of this person in Vladivostok. | Nov 12 02:33 |
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XRevan86 | schestowitz: "he's also a Trump fan" โ apparently not anymore :) | Nov 12 02:34 |
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XRevan86 | Trump lost many cities this election, including Vladivostok. | Nov 12 02:35 |
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XRevan86 | scientes might find his accent interesting. | Nov 12 02:40 |
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XRevan86 | Anyway, people like he look at Putin and Lukashenko like on leaders who defend the nation against the neoliberal capital forces. Which is pretty much everyone except them. | Nov 12 02:49 |
XRevan86 | *like at | Nov 12 02:50 |
XRevan86 | I no longer look at the world through any ideological prism, that can easily be exploited by propaganda to frame even the most banal events as a manifestation of evil. | Nov 12 02:53 |
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XRevan86 | People like this think that politics work something like that: step #1: apply good ideology; step #2: observe all the problems go away; step #3: defend the good ideology state against the enemies of the nation; step #4: ???; step #5: live happily ever after | Nov 12 03:00 |
XRevan86 | Steps #2 and step #3 are concurrent. | Nov 12 03:01 |
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MinceR | 12 033537 < XRevan86> Trump lost many cities this election, including Vladivostok. | Nov 12 03:11 |
MinceR | lol | Nov 12 03:11 |
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CrystalMath | but surely Nizhny Novgorod still voted for him? | Nov 12 03:41 |
CrystalMath | i heard he has some chance of winning Tver as well | Nov 12 03:42 |
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schestowitz | last section re LCOC isn't too bad https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oNJCiHE-5Xg | Nov 12 04:22 |
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schestowitz | >> The Meduza RSS feed has not been updating (no new items shown, except in | Nov 12 04:25 |
schestowitz | >> the HTML version) for almost a month. | Nov 12 04:25 |
schestowitz | > Ok. I see that their feed contains only old links from last month. I | Nov 12 04:25 |
schestowitz | > even checked from their main page. It is the feed which is stuck: | Nov 12 04:25 |
schestowitz | > | Nov 12 04:25 |
schestowitz | > https://meduza.io/rss/en/all | Nov 12 04:25 |
schestowitz | > | Nov 12 04:25 |
schestowitz | > I've sent them a mail at their contact address. It would help if you | Nov 12 04:25 |
schestowitz | > could too, I think. Probably a cron job or similar automation was | Nov 12 04:25 |
schestowitz | > disabled or not brought forward through some upgrade or change. | Nov 12 04:25 |
schestowitz | IIRC, they had the same issue about a year ago. They never even replied to me. | Nov 12 04:25 |
schestowitz | > If people don't demand freedom then tend to lose it? #stallmanwasright | Nov 12 04:26 |
schestowitz | > again. | Nov 12 04:26 |
schestowitz | > | Nov 12 04:26 |
schestowitz | > http://techrights.org/2020/11/11/rms-on-open-source/ | Nov 12 04:26 |
schestowitz | > <http://techrights.org/2020/11/11/rms-on-open-source/> | Nov 12 04:26 |
schestowitz | > | Nov 12 04:26 |
schestowitz | > Nobody demands freedom of speech anymore, do they? | Nov 12 04:26 |
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Newly-Published Richard Stallman Video From 2001, Where He is Explaining โOpen Sourceโ 3 Years After OSI Was Established | Techrights | Nov 12 04:26 | |
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Ariadne | schestowitz: we are going to have to move techrights very soon... the owner of the old DC died in a car accident last night | Nov 12 05:33 |
CrystalMath | that's terrible :( | Nov 12 05:35 |
schestowitz | oh, no | Nov 12 05:35 |
schestowitz | how old was the owner? | Nov 12 05:36 |
Ariadne | 33 | Nov 12 05:36 |
schestowitz | that DC was very reliable, so it was a job well done... wow, that's very young | Nov 12 05:36 |
Ariadne | he was my previous business partner before i went solo | Nov 12 05:36 |
schestowitz | is the hv destined for the .nl? | Nov 12 05:38 |
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schestowitz | I need to get some sleep | Nov 12 05:48 |
Ariadne | probably keeping it US side for now as i already have colo in US | Nov 12 06:05 |
Ariadne | will move to AMS once iโm over there | Nov 12 06:05 |
Ariadne | this is somewhat urgent so iโll start working on preparing to move the machines | Nov 12 06:05 |
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vZS1 | At least people can still read the IPFS versions. I'm maintaining a list of the whole | Nov 12 07:24 |
vZS1 | I'm maintaining pins of the whole index* | Nov 12 07:25 |
vZS1 | I'm sorry to hear about the accident. | Nov 12 07:27 |
scientes | AMS? | Nov 12 07:54 |
scientes | if you mean AWS it is extremely expensive | Nov 12 07:54 |
scientes | I never understood why people used Amazon for anything | Nov 12 07:54 |
scientes | it is so damn expensive | Nov 12 07:54 |
scientes | and always has been | Nov 12 07:54 |
scientes | there is at least 100% mark-up on everything | Nov 12 07:54 |
scientes | and they nickle-and-dime you for everything | Nov 12 07:55 |
scientes | you liability is unlimited | Nov 12 07:55 |
scientes | for bandwidth their mark-up is like 10x | Nov 12 07:55 |
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vZS1_2 | test | Nov 12 09:11 |
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schestowitz | Ariadne: thanks for letting me know to prepare me. The death is so tragic, I really don't know what to say, it's chilling. | Nov 12 09:30 |
XRevan86 | Ariadne: :( | Nov 12 09:31 |
Ariadne | scientes: AMS as in Amsterdam | Nov 12 09:31 |
schestowitz | Ariadne: also, if we already make a migration, it might give us a chance to rebuild properly with containers | Nov 12 09:31 |
schestowitz | we're in lockdown here for another 3 weeks so time should not be a major barrier for me, I just need to know in advance when to allocate some | Nov 12 09:32 |
Ariadne | yes, that is what i am thinking | Nov 12 09:34 |
oiaohm | Really after looking at what China and Australia have had to do that they were able to get on top of covid-19 the current UK lockdown plan is way too short. | Nov 12 09:35 |
oiaohm | 12 to 16 weeks of lockdown. Maybe the UK is crossing finger before 3 weeks are up they will have a vaccine and that reduce the control time. | Nov 12 09:36 |
oiaohm | The big problem with Covid-19 is how long people can be infected and spreading it with no symptoms. | Nov 12 09:37 |
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oiaohm | That 84 days/12weeks is to cover the longest known cases of people having covid-19 and spreading it before showing symtoms. | Nov 12 09:38 |
oiaohm | Its possible 16 weeks to be sure. | Nov 12 09:39 |
schestowitz | Ariadne: let me know if you need a recommendation letter for immigration etc | Nov 12 09:39 |
schestowitz | I've know you over a decade to some degree | Nov 12 09:39 |
schestowitz | nenold days | Nov 12 09:39 |
Ariadne | but COVID was supposed to be gone | Nov 12 09:40 |
Ariadne | trump said so | Nov 12 09:40 |
Ariadne | :) | Nov 12 09:40 |
schestowitz | "HURD immunity" | Nov 12 09:40 |
schestowitz | ya herd! | Nov 12 09:41 |
Ariadne | GNU/HURD immunity | Nov 12 09:41 |
schestowitz | The GNU Declaration | Nov 12 09:41 |
schestowitz | "Freedom" | Nov 12 09:41 |
schestowitz | to spread it | Nov 12 09:41 |
oiaohm | Covid being class of virus that we only have immunity for roughly 3 months has been nice trouble. | Nov 12 09:41 |
schestowitz | Burlington was it? | Nov 12 09:41 |
schestowitz | oiaohm: that's what new findings allege | Nov 12 09:42 |
oiaohm | with infected carriers being able to spread it for almost that long documented. | Nov 12 09:42 |
schestowitz | people have limited time of resistance, that's why some get reinfected.... until they cannot survive | Nov 12 09:42 |
Ariadne | the question is how long the vaccine remains effective for | Nov 12 09:42 |
Ariadne | i doubt people will get a covid vaccine once a month | Nov 12 09:42 |
schestowitz | as long as viagra lasts | Nov 12 09:42 |
schestowitz | 3 hours or so? | Nov 12 09:42 |
oiaohm | You normal flu vaccine is normally only 3 months of protection at best. | Nov 12 09:43 |
oiaohm | the human immune system is very forgotful to most infections. | Nov 12 09:43 |
schestowitz | Pfizer is enjoying marketing-like 'journalism' this week | Nov 12 09:43 |
vZS1_2 | Me being an idiot wondering why my hook isn't working on the Pi. Realise bash lives in /bin/bash and not /usr/bin/bash. GDI. | Nov 12 09:43 |
Ariadne | anyway i am looking forward to visiting the jellycat factory store in london at some point in the next year | Nov 12 09:43 |
Ariadne | by then the pound should be in the toilet | Nov 12 09:44 |
oiaohm | Pfizer mRNA is new tech. | Nov 12 09:44 |
oiaohm | That might have longer than normal protection. | Nov 12 09:45 |
oiaohm | Also being new tech it could horrible kill percentage of the population. | Nov 12 09:45 |
Ariadne | i volunteer trump for the trial | Nov 12 09:46 |
Ariadne | lets see how it goes with him | Nov 12 09:46 |
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oiaohm | Trump is not in the population class likely to have trouble with vaccines of the mRNA class. | Nov 12 09:48 |
oiaohm | In fact his age group mRNA class vaccines are likely not to work at all. | Nov 12 09:49 |
Ariadne | schestowitz: i guess the question is, which site should we migrate first? | Nov 12 09:49 |
schestowitz | tuxmachines is simpler, I think | Nov 12 09:51 |
schestowitz | but one of its DBs is the container | Nov 12 09:51 |
schestowitz | the one for Gallery (CMS), not Drupal | Nov 12 09:52 |
Ariadne | hmm? | Nov 12 09:52 |
Ariadne | both DBs should be in container i think | Nov 12 09:52 |
schestowitz | we struggled with one | Nov 12 09:52 |
schestowitz | reminder: when we attempted this about 4 times Drupal would complain about something in the DB when writing to it | Nov 12 09:53 |
vZS1_2 | Since you're dealing with migration, could you check if there's stuff you can make zipped tarball archives out of? I could pin any zipped archives on IPFS. | Nov 12 09:53 |
schestowitz | likely due to version bump or something like that, I forgot what it was exactly but can look that up | Nov 12 09:53 |
vZS1_2 | Because I doubt any of that old content is going to mutate. Might as well archive it while you're doing maintenance. | Nov 12 09:54 |
schestowitz | Techrights has all 3 CMSs with their DBs in the dedicated DB container, we has no trouble migrating those | Nov 12 09:54 |
Ariadne | i don't know anything about IPFS and do not have the time to learn | Nov 12 09:54 |
schestowitz | it's not affected by a migration of the site | Nov 12 09:55 |
Ariadne | hmm, my IPAM system is down because i was hosting it at home in wyoming | Nov 12 09:55 |
Ariadne | whoops | Nov 12 09:55 |
schestowitz | it's totally separate and maintained on another turf (distributed) | Nov 12 09:55 |
vZS1_2 | Ariadne: If you just throw archives at me (if you get around to it), I can handle the IPFS side of things. I've got access to both our IPFS machines. | Nov 12 09:56 |
Ariadne | schestowitz: lucky you | Nov 12 09:57 |
vZS1_2 | In my free time I've been working on automating the whole thing, with Roy. In a couple months, I should have the whole setup automated. | Nov 12 09:57 |
Ariadne | schestowitz: you get a brand new never ever used before IP block | Nov 12 09:57 |
schestowitz | :-) | Nov 12 09:57 |
Ariadne | hopefully in 2 months i don't reallocate this | Nov 12 09:57 |
Ariadne | i have made a mental note | Nov 12 09:57 |
Ariadne | but i've heard COVID causes brain damage | Nov 12 09:57 |
Ariadne | so, never know | Nov 12 09:57 |
Ariadne | :P | Nov 12 09:57 |
vZS1_2 | lol | Nov 12 09:57 |
schestowitz | it did Trump | Nov 12 09:58 |
Ariadne | i think that was more the steroids talking | Nov 12 09:58 |
schestowitz | It probably shrank him down there, that's why Melania files for divorce | Nov 12 09:58 |
Ariadne | hmm | Nov 12 09:58 |
Ariadne | ip address 23.161.112.1/25 secondary | Nov 12 09:58 |
Ariadne | i think i can shrink this one down | Nov 12 09:59 |
vZS1_2 | fatal: cannot run .git/hooks/post-commit: No such file or directory | Nov 12 09:59 |
Ariadne | hacked | Nov 12 09:59 |
vZS1_2 | woops, didn't mean to post that | Nov 12 09:59 |
schestowitz | only remote access scripts and DNS settings are wired for the current server IP addresses | Nov 12 09:59 |
schestowitz | vZS1_2: which user around? | Nov 12 10:00 |
schestowitz | pi, root? | Nov 12 10:00 |
Ariadne | also i fixed sudoers | Nov 12 10:00 |
vZS1_2 | What do you mean by "which user around?" | Nov 12 10:00 |
schestowitz | *account | Nov 12 10:00 |
Ariadne | by commenting out whatever you did on line 85 | Nov 12 10:00 |
schestowitz | cheers | Nov 12 10:00 |
schestowitz | I was trying to add access to the container for my friend | Nov 12 10:01 |
vZS1_2 | If you mean this nick on IRC, I'm on my desktop. The other one is my phone. | Nov 12 10:01 |
schestowitz | whose name you can see there | Nov 12 10:01 |
vZS1_2 | I haven't logged into the Pi in the while | Nov 12 10:01 |
schestowitz | vZS1_2: what's the full path for that file? | Nov 12 10:01 |
vZS1_2 | That error was from my own Pi | Nov 12 10:02 |
vZS1_2 | Don't worry about it | Nov 12 10:02 |
vZS1_2 | I just had it in my clipboard by accident lol | Nov 12 10:02 |
schestowitz | Ariadne: don't forget to bill us for your time at the end, we already owe you some | Nov 12 10:02 |
Ariadne | ok | Nov 12 10:02 |
Ariadne | 23.161.112.113/29, .114 container host, .115-.118 containers | Nov 12 10:03 |
Ariadne | (really it will be on internal network though) | Nov 12 10:03 |
schestowitz | cheers | Nov 12 10:04 |
schestowitz | alpine, right? | Nov 12 10:04 |
Ariadne | i'll install alpine as the container host yes | Nov 12 10:04 |
schestowitz | hv+up to 4 containers on it | Nov 12 10:04 |
Ariadne | up to infinity containers | Nov 12 10:04 |
schestowitz | alpine has been so reliable, 2 years uptime, sans the reboot for system update (kernel) | Nov 12 10:04 |
schestowitz | yes, sounds good, for hv | Nov 12 10:05 |
Ariadne | ok | Nov 12 10:05 |
vZS1_2 | Alpine does what it says on the tin. | Nov 12 10:05 |
schestowitz | in case we can already migrate some containers today, let me know if/when to stop posting new stuff (changing databases) | Nov 12 10:05 |
Ariadne | (technically i am replacing the physical server with a very big VM on my very big intel xeon gold blade system) | Nov 12 10:05 |
Ariadne | it is more power efficient | Nov 12 10:06 |
schestowitz | good, as our workloads aren't constant | Nov 12 10:06 |
schestowitz | peaking at times, like front page of major sites | Nov 12 10:06 |
schestowitz | tuxmachines has done 11 hits/secs this past month | Nov 12 10:06 |
schestowitz | but they're not hard on the cpu and don't take up much ram, it's simple drupal | Nov 12 10:06 |
Ariadne | i have a blade system with each node having 128 cores of cpu each | Nov 12 10:07 |
Ariadne | and 512gb ram | Nov 12 10:07 |
Ariadne | with shared NVME storage | Nov 12 10:07 |
schestowitz | most bloat is wordpress at techrights because of dynamically-generated links | Nov 12 10:07 |
schestowitz | (just to keep you aware; it's always wordpress that's the heaviest of all things) | Nov 12 10:07 |
Ariadne | so i was just going to provision a VM with like 32 cores | Nov 12 10:07 |
Ariadne | the current machine has 8 cores | Nov 12 10:07 |
schestowitz | 29,000 blog posts by December | Nov 12 10:07 |
Ariadne | so 4x faster | Nov 12 10:08 |
Ariadne | ;) | Nov 12 10:08 |
schestowitz | currently, I cannot link directly to techrights from all social media | Nov 12 10:08 |
schestowitz | I split the linking into 3 | Nov 12 10:08 |
Ariadne | yeah | Nov 12 10:08 |
Ariadne | we're going to set up | Nov 12 10:08 |
Ariadne | some hardcore caching | Nov 12 10:08 |
schestowitz | post from diaspora, wait, then twitter, than pleroma etc. | Nov 12 10:08 |
schestowitz | *then | Nov 12 10:08 |
vZS1_2 | Ariadne: if you feel like you'd like some coffee-table reading, with a hot drink, you can ask Roy for the IPFS howto I wrote up. It really doesn't take much background knowledge. | Nov 12 10:08 |
Ariadne | vZS1_2: maybe eventually. IPFS is really interesting to me | Nov 12 10:09 |
vZS1_2 | Maybe around Christmas time. :D | Nov 12 10:09 |
schestowitz | vZS1_2: for now IPFS only handles stuff from this month onwards | Nov 12 10:09 |
schestowitz | the way it's scripted, it replies on RSS (latest 20 blog posts) to generate the objects every 24 hours | Nov 12 10:09 |
Ariadne | show run int vl 200 | Nov 12 10:09 |
Ariadne | err | Nov 12 10:09 |
vZS1_2 | Just wanted to bring Ariadne on the same page as us. I'm new here so I still don't know how TR and TM operates. | Nov 12 10:09 |
Ariadne | IRC is not IOS-XR :) | Nov 12 10:09 |
schestowitz | vZS1_2: tuxmachines is older. 2004 | Nov 12 10:10 |
schestowitz | 144,000+ drupal nodes | Nov 12 10:10 |
schestowitz | many of the stuff/blogs it links to no longer exist, so it's useful for archival purposes in its own right | Nov 12 10:11 |
vZS1_2 | I've been putting a lot of effort into making TR content accessible and distributable on low-power machines. I feel like that should be a priority. So far, progress has been very good. We've had great results with all our implementations. | Nov 12 10:11 |
oiaohm | schestowitz: upgrading tuxmachines to a static generated site would be a horrible project. | Nov 12 10:11 |
Ariadne | yes i don't think it is worthwhile | Nov 12 10:11 |
schestowitz | oiaohm: no need | Nov 12 10:11 |
Ariadne | instead we make wordpress cache | Nov 12 10:11 |
schestowitz | oiaohm: it's not CPU heavy | Nov 12 10:11 |
Ariadne | the problem is the SQL hits | Nov 12 10:12 |
Ariadne | i think that can be optimized with additional indexes | Nov 12 10:12 |
Ariadne | afaik wordpress does not really use indexes | Nov 12 10:12 |
vZS1_2 | schestowitz: IPFS bw report | Nov 12 10:12 |
vZS1_2 | In 5.6 GB | Nov 12 10:12 |
schestowitz | some articles would need to compute URLs for dozens of different posts from different year, I didn't profile it, but I suspect that's the biggest toll | Nov 12 10:12 |
Ariadne | unfortunately the person i know who knows everything about wordpress optimization just died in a car accident ;/ | Nov 12 10:12 |
vZS1_2 | Out 3.5 GB | Nov 12 10:12 |
Ariadne | took a corner too fast, rolled his truck, out the windscreen | Nov 12 10:12 |
vZS1_2 | :'( | Nov 12 10:13 |
schestowitz | :/ | Nov 12 10:13 |
XRevan86 | Ariadne: Of course it does use indices. | Nov 12 10:13 |
Ariadne | XRevan86: i mean effectively | Nov 12 10:13 |
schestowitz | with tessier we had varnish in front | Nov 12 10:13 |
Ariadne | i am planning to push nginx in front | Nov 12 10:14 |
schestowitz | the wiki isn't too resource-heavy, it's not vast either, several hundreds of pages | Nov 12 10:14 |
schestowitz | drupal side is about 20 pages only (the front page, intro), so that barely counts for anything | Nov 12 10:14 |
schestowitz | with nginx I'd need to learn how to redirect things fast, although we don't have much set up specifically for apache in .htaccess | Nov 12 10:15 |
XRevan86 | schestowitz: A return statement. | Nov 12 10:15 |
vZS1_2 | Nginx documentation is pretty good. Shouldn't be too hard to find what you need. | Nov 12 10:15 |
Ariadne | my plan was to have each container still have apache inside it for now | Nov 12 10:16 |
schestowitz | XRevan86: I did convert thousands of lines of apache into nginx before | Nov 12 10:16 |
schestowitz | that was years ago for UK's Food Standards Agency | Nov 12 10:16 |
XRevan86 | If mod_php will no longer be used, then it'd be a vast improvement one way or another :) | Nov 12 10:16 |
Ariadne | the only thing i fucking hate about my new setup is | Nov 12 10:29 |
Ariadne | targetcli is awful | Nov 12 10:29 |
Ariadne | [5823885.590081] scsi 10:0:0:2: Direct-Access LIO-ORG techrights 4.0 PQ: 0 ANSI: 5 | Nov 12 10:31 |
Ariadne | mmmkay | Nov 12 10:31 |
Ariadne | created 1TB of NVME for these containers | Nov 12 10:31 |
schestowitz | :-D | Nov 12 10:31 |
Ariadne | over 48G infiniband | Nov 12 10:31 |
Ariadne | fancy | Nov 12 10:31 |
Ariadne | or if you want to go ENTERPRISE(tm) | Nov 12 10:32 |
Ariadne | i have an IBM system z mainframe sitting in the cabinet next to this blade system and SAN shelf ;) | Nov 12 10:33 |
Ariadne | *also* running alpine | Nov 12 10:33 |
Ariadne | :) | Nov 12 10:33 |
Ariadne | or to clarify, it is not in a cabinet, it *is* the cabinet | Nov 12 10:34 |
schestowitz | wow, those must cost like $500,000 | Nov 12 10:34 |
Ariadne | dunno | Nov 12 10:34 |
Ariadne | i got mine for 800$ | Nov 12 10:34 |
Ariadne | the trump administration decided the government was going INTO THE CLOUD | Nov 12 10:34 |
schestowitz | mainframe on a budget, $800 lol | Nov 12 10:34 |
vZS1_2 | Is it damp up there? | Nov 12 10:34 |
schestowitz | many businesses take loans to get one | Nov 12 10:34 |
schestowitz | what does the cloud run? | Nov 12 10:35 |
Ariadne | came with a thinkpad running OS/2 | Nov 12 10:35 |
schestowitz | steam is how many cores? vapour | Nov 12 10:35 |
vZS1_2 | I feel so out of touch with this conversation. All I've been working on recently is dweb. | Nov 12 10:35 |
schestowitz | they complain about "big tech"... and then outsource everything to "big tech" | Nov 12 10:36 |
schestowitz | sounds like the EU strategy as well | Nov 12 10:36 |
vZS1_2 | When you look at the cash flow "big tech" can only stay big because of the architectural reliance on server/data farms. | Nov 12 10:37 |
schestowitz | and government cash | Nov 12 10:38 |
vZS1_2 | That too | Nov 12 10:38 |
Ariadne | the system z machine is nice | Nov 12 10:38 |
schestowitz | don't forget trillions funneled into them | Nov 12 10:38 |
Ariadne | 32 cores at 5.2ghz | Nov 12 10:38 |
schestowitz | same situation with weapons makers btw | Nov 12 10:38 |
Ariadne | each core is SMT4 | Nov 12 10:38 |
schestowitz | hundreds of millions of people pay monthly tax... and it ends up somewhere else | Nov 12 10:38 |
schestowitz | (+national debt) | Nov 12 10:39 |
Ariadne | and that one is a baby compared to most deployments | Nov 12 10:39 |
vZS1_2 | schestowitz: weapons manufacturing (not sales) has been undergoing a revolution as well. It's a lot cheaper to make certain arms. | Nov 12 10:39 |
schestowitz | overkill, but we can hope to use that capacity up one day :-) | Nov 12 10:39 |
vZS1_2 | With affordable manufacturing tools available today | Nov 12 10:39 |
vZS1_2 | People are milling and printing assault rifles at home. | Nov 12 10:40 |
Ariadne | anyway infiniband is cool | Nov 12 10:40 |
schestowitz | I only ever read about it | Nov 12 10:41 |
schestowitz | ssd speeds on my laptop, first ssd hardware I have, cut down full backup times by like 80% | Nov 12 10:41 |
Ariadne | well these blades are basically brand new from dell :P | Nov 12 10:41 |
Ariadne | hoping to get a decade of service out of them | Nov 12 10:42 |
vZS1_2 | schestowitz: just don't try archiving anything on SSDs | Nov 12 10:43 |
schestowitz | data loss when charge is lost, longterm | Nov 12 10:44 |
schestowitz | i back up to magnetic | Nov 12 10:44 |
vZS1_2 | I still think tape is the best for archiving | Nov 12 10:44 |
vZS1_2 | For long-term storage | Nov 12 10:45 |
vZS1_2 | Especially for stuff that's infrequently accessed | Nov 12 10:45 |
schestowitz | as long as it's not near lots of "lumber" in California | Nov 12 10:45 |
vZS1_2 | I use USB sticks a lot too | Nov 12 10:48 |
vZS1_2 | Especially for the Git repositories I follow. And my browser bookmarks. | Nov 12 10:48 |
vZS1_2 | I rsync all that to a USB stick at least once a week. | Nov 12 10:48 |
vZS1_2 | Even the biggest Git repos I have, like the Linux kernel, only max out at around 2GB. | Nov 12 10:52 |
vZS1_2 | So you can actually store quite a lot of Git repos on a USB stick | Nov 12 10:52 |
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vZS1_2 | Speaking of the Linux kernel repo, there's an increasing amount of stuff in "" | Nov 12 10:55 |
vZS1_2 | https://git.kernel.org/pub/scm/linux/kernel/git/torvalds/linux.git | Nov 12 10:55 |
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vZS1_2 | That has very little to do with the kernel itself | Nov 12 10:55 |
vZS1_2 | ibm, nvidia, etc and their drivers are part of the repo | Nov 12 10:55 |
vZS1_2 | One would have thought those would belong in separate repos | Nov 12 10:55 |
schestowitz | vZS1_2: Torvalds no longer knows what goes in | Nov 12 10:57 |
schestowitz | he neither codes (he can, but no longer does) | Nov 12 10:58 |
schestowitz | nor checked code | Nov 12 10:58 |
schestowitz | *checks | Nov 12 10:58 |
schestowitz | mostly communications and code notes | Nov 12 10:58 |
schestowitz | but he has other people to check some stuff for him | Nov 12 10:58 |
schestowitz | the "bugs are shallow" line is irrelevant now | Nov 12 10:58 |
schestowitz | for linux | Nov 12 10:58 |
schestowitz | nobody will check 500,000 lines of code added by AMD... other than AMD staff | Nov 12 10:59 |
schestowitz | and you get binaries with that code in them... on billions of machines, inc. sensitive servers in countries deemed "Enemies" of the US | Nov 12 10:59 |
vZS1_2 | I do "$ git submodules status --recursive" and I get nada. So all that crud is part of the main repo..... | Nov 12 10:59 |
Ariadne | in fairness it requires domain expertise to check that code | Nov 12 10:59 |
Ariadne | :P | Nov 12 10:59 |
vZS1_2 | Yes, but use submodules, at least. | Nov 12 10:59 |
schestowitz | Linux is a party, all code welcome | Nov 12 10:59 |
vZS1_2 | Why bundle it all into the damn main repo. | Nov 12 10:59 |
schestowitz | "we check who you work for, not what you merge" | Nov 12 11:00 |
vZS1_2 | s/submodules/submodule | Nov 12 11:00 |
schestowitz | "amd code, sounds legit" | Nov 12 11:00 |
schestowitz | they even added crypto code from Russia | Nov 12 11:00 |
schestowitz | and NSA-connected crypto from Google | Nov 12 11:01 |
schestowitz | weakened for "efficiency" | Nov 12 11:01 |
schestowitz | they told us | Nov 12 11:01 |
schestowitz | for "mobile | Nov 12 11:01 |
vZS1_2 | Android drivers are in the repo too btw | Nov 12 11:01 |
schestowitz | because phones don't need >Real< crypto anyway :-) | Nov 12 11:01 |
schestowitz | "just enough" encryption | Nov 12 11:01 |
schestowitz | "enough" entropy... oh, nope.. stop. STOP... too much entropy... OK, that's better now | Nov 12 11:01 |
vZS1_2 | 154K worth of android driver code in the repo. (That's discounting all the stuff that's linked with it) | Nov 12 11:02 |
schestowitz | android spies even without the back doors | Nov 12 11:02 |
schestowitz | "just what it does" | Nov 12 11:02 |
vZS1_2 | If you look at the Git Git repo | Nov 12 11:03 |
vZS1_2 | You see 1 submodule | Nov 12 11:04 |
vZS1_2 | $ cat .gitmodules | Nov 12 11:04 |
vZS1_2 | [submodule "sha1collisiondetection"] | Nov 12 11:04 |
vZS1_2 | path = sha1collisiondetection | Nov 12 11:04 |
vZS1_2 | url = https://github.com/cr-marcstevens/sha1collisiondetection.git | Nov 12 11:05 |
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Ariadne | ithink we will use xfs for the containers | Nov 12 11:05 |
vZS1_2 | branch = master | Nov 12 11:05 |
vZS1_2 | schestowitz: look at that. GitHub! | Nov 12 11:05 |
Ariadne | btw | Nov 12 11:05 |
Ariadne | if you thought apk was fast before | Nov 12 11:05 |
Ariadne | try apk on 10G nic | Nov 12 11:05 |
XRevan86 | Ariadne: reflink=1 ? | Nov 12 11:05 |
vZS1_2 | Also, last time I checked Git uses CI from Azure. | Nov 12 11:06 |
Ariadne | we are 0.5ms away from kernel.org mirrors | Nov 12 11:06 |
Ariadne | vZS1_2: the github CI is actually quite nice | Nov 12 11:06 |
Ariadne | too bad it's a microsoft product | Nov 12 11:06 |
schestowitz | vZS1_2: git is in trouble in some sense. Their release notes link to Microsoft sites. | Nov 12 11:06 |
vZS1_2 | I've used all the major CI providers in the last few years. I still prefer plain old Git hooks. | Nov 12 11:06 |
schestowitz | By buying github Microsoft also bought key people in a project of Torvalds | Nov 12 11:07 |
schestowitz | it had done the same 2 years prior in LF. | Nov 12 11:07 |
vZS1_2 | I can make Git hooks in any language and ops flow I want. | Nov 12 11:07 |
vZS1_2 | Why handicap myself | Nov 12 11:08 |
vZS1_2 | All these CI products are just cost savings for businesses that can't afford competent ops teams. | Nov 12 11:08 |
Ariadne | the reason why github is nice is due to the streamlined contribution flow | Nov 12 11:09 |
Ariadne | its a nice forge, and more importantly, all the people already are there | Nov 12 11:09 |
vZS1_2 | That's a sunk cost fallacy | Nov 12 11:10 |
Ariadne | yes, and no | Nov 12 11:10 |
Ariadne | it is more "my employer does not see the value in wasting time on managing gitlab" | Nov 12 11:10 |
Ariadne | we did that, it really sucked | Nov 12 11:10 |
Ariadne | and nobody from outside world signed up | Nov 12 11:10 |
vZS1_2 | From a business point of view, GitHub works. From an autonomy point of view for free software communities, it's a hard pass. | Nov 12 11:11 |
Ariadne | for individuals, it is a different story than commercial FOSS | Nov 12 11:11 |
Ariadne | in commercial FOSS, github has value that self-hosted forges do not have | Nov 12 11:11 |
Ariadne | don't get me wrong, i don't like that microsoft own github now | Nov 12 11:12 |
vZS1_2 | I don't disagree with what you're saying. | Nov 12 11:12 |
Ariadne | but you have to pick and choose battles | Nov 12 11:12 |
-viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: Security and Proprietary Software Leftovers โข ๐๐ฆ๐ฉ ๐๐๐๐๐๐๐๐ค โ http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/144292 [https://pleroma.site/objects/1178e287-8c1d-4306-b446-11080884a206] | Nov 12 11:13 | |
vZS1_2 | youtube-dl is a good example of why FOSS communities should always work in a decentralised manner. | Nov 12 11:14 |
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Ariadne | i agree | Nov 12 11:14 |
Ariadne | however, youtube-dl should have been self-hosting from day 1 | Nov 12 11:14 |
Ariadne | it's a matter of risk assessment | Nov 12 11:14 |
Ariadne | and a federated ecosystem for git forges doesn't exist yet | Nov 12 11:14 |
vZS1_2 | They lack management resources. That's the problem. | Nov 12 11:14 |
vZS1_2 | Most of these projects can run on a shoddy laptop | Nov 12 11:15 |
Ariadne | if you could decentralize the eyeballs | Nov 12 11:15 |
Ariadne | that would make github obsolete | Nov 12 11:15 |
vZS1_2 | You don't need a mainframe to run a project with a couple thousand lines of code | Nov 12 11:15 |
Ariadne | when you are writing code with specific objectives in mind (people using and contrbuting to it), being in a place where eyeballs are is important | Nov 12 11:16 |
vZS1_2 | Bugzilla exists | Nov 12 11:16 |
Ariadne | yes, i know | Nov 12 11:16 |
schestowitz | [03:41] [Notice] -viera to #boycottnovell-social- Dr. Roy Schestowitz (็ฝไผ): #ffmpeg need to #deletegithub ... more so after what #biden MAFIAA + #microsoft did to #youtubeDL https://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=FFmpeg-AV1-NVDEC-Merged [https://pleroma.site/objects/133eb291-1409-427e-8a0e-51643778a527] | Nov 12 11:16 |
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schestowitz | [03:43] [Notice] -viera to #boycottnovell-social- Dr. Roy Schestowitz (็ฝไผ): Not hard to see or foresee how #biden MAFIAA + #microsoft can spin/twist FFMPEG as #drm 'circumvention' (and then encoding/decoding) tool. #ffmpeg need to #deletegithub ASAP. [https://pleroma.site/objects/c72d3b80-65b2-4d2f-b09d-2b07bd463f85] | Nov 12 11:16 |
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Ariadne | but bugzilla does not have millions of users on a site that allows discovery of your project | Nov 12 11:17 |
Ariadne | *discovery* matters a lot more than you assume | Nov 12 11:17 |
schestowitz | network effect=monopoly | Nov 12 11:17 |
vZS1_2 | And there in lies a misunderstanding. You don't need millions of users for your little project | Nov 12 11:17 |
Ariadne | i agree | Nov 12 11:17 |
schestowitz | we need to work against monopoly, not leverage it "to our adventage" | Nov 12 11:17 |
Ariadne | however, in some scenarios (commercial FOSS), you do need mllions of users in order to keep the checks coming | Nov 12 11:18 |
Ariadne | and for that, github is pretty great | Nov 12 11:18 |
vZS1_2 | Again, I'm not talking about business projects here | Nov 12 11:18 |
schestowitz | we need to make it a badge of shame | Nov 12 11:18 |
schestowitz | as part of the effort to unseat the monopoly | Nov 12 11:18 |
vZS1_2 | I'm talking about non-profit FOSS | Nov 12 11:18 |
schestowitz | it has been successful in places | Nov 12 11:18 |
schestowitz | I saw some projects stepping out of github | Nov 12 11:18 |
vZS1_2 | So stop mentioning business FOSS | Nov 12 11:19 |
schestowitz | and new projects choosing to reject it | Nov 12 11:19 |
schestowitz | before they even got "hooked in" | Nov 12 11:19 |
schestowitz | "business FOSS" is a misnomer | Nov 12 11:19 |
Ariadne | vZS1_2: many non-profit projects also benefit from github's discovery features | Nov 12 11:19 |
schestowitz | "One of the biggest ironies in development is Git being centralised. Not too surprising though, it's what these sorts of assholes always do: Internet decentralises communication, so LE centralises HTTPS, FB centralises the web, GH centralises git." http://techrights.org/wiki/index.php/New_buffer_2:2 | Nov 12 11:19 |
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vZS1_2 | Well. Those projects can just go and risk getting youtube-dld | Nov 12 11:20 |
Ariadne | vZS1_2: and most importantly, even independent FOSS developers need discovery that forges provide if they want to make working on FOSS their career | Nov 12 11:20 |
schestowitz | ""Open Source" is a meaningless marketing phrase, but it did have a definition based on the Debian Free Software Guidelines. Today it is used as a bait-and-switch way to promote non-free software, so here is a list of examples." http://techrights.org/wiki/index.php/Proprietary_Open_Source | Nov 12 11:20 |
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schestowitz | those are a day old BTW | Nov 12 11:20 |
schestowitz | vZS1_2: youtube-DLLd :-) | Nov 12 11:21 |
vZS1_2 | You keep bringing profit into the equation. I'm talking about non-profit. | Nov 12 11:21 |
Ariadne | i'm not bringing profit into the equasion | Nov 12 11:21 |
schestowitz | [11:20] <Ariadne> vZS1_2: and most importantly, even independent FOSS developers need discovery that forges provide if they want to make working on FOSS their careera | Nov 12 11:21 |
Ariadne | independent FOSS developers still have to eat | Nov 12 11:21 |
schestowitz | actually, | Nov 12 11:21 |
vZS1_2 | Either way. I am not changing my mind that GitHub is bad for FOSS. | Nov 12 11:21 |
schestowitz | many employers might value people who can set up gitlab and bugzilla | Nov 12 11:21 |
schestowitz | more than some "another one" consumer of Microsoft GitHub | Nov 12 11:22 |
vZS1_2 | Who says you can't know more than one thing at the same time? | Nov 12 11:22 |
schestowitz | think blogpost "blogger" versus wordpress pro | Nov 12 11:22 |
Ariadne | schestowitz: sure, but you can know how to do that and still use github because that's where the eyeballs and users and donation $$$ is | Nov 12 11:22 |
schestowitz | not sure aboyt donations | Nov 12 11:22 |
schestowitz | they talk about it (they=Microsoft) | Nov 12 11:23 |
schestowitz | never heard of a project making much money from it | Nov 12 11:23 |
Ariadne | yes | Nov 12 11:23 |
schestowitz | it's like the "arctic vault" marketing badge they now stick in each profikle | Nov 12 11:23 |
schestowitz | they sue that tale | Nov 12 11:23 |
vZS1_2 | For the typical person using GitHub, they can just host their own solutions at home, in a totally affordable manner. | Nov 12 11:23 |
schestowitz | to distract the media | Nov 12 11:23 |
Ariadne | well, funding sustainable FOSS development is a complicated topic | Nov 12 11:23 |
schestowitz | from the ICE contract they still keep | Nov 12 11:23 |
schestowitz | as github employees were quitting in droves back then | Nov 12 11:23 |
schestowitz | even managers | Nov 12 11:23 |
Ariadne | however, my point is | Nov 12 11:23 |
Ariadne | more eyeballs = more chance of funding | Nov 12 11:24 |
Ariadne | if you do not care about that | Nov 12 11:24 |
schestowitz | funding might not be the goal | Nov 12 11:24 |
Ariadne | then, fine | Nov 12 11:24 |
schestowitz | the goal is the make good software | Nov 12 11:24 |
vZS1_2 | Yes, a shell script you wrote needs funding. | Nov 12 11:24 |
schestowitz | i work nights (1-9am) to make a living | Nov 12 11:24 |
Ariadne | i work to make a living by writing FOSS (: | Nov 12 11:24 |
schestowitz | lots of people are the same, they make freesw outside their work | Nov 12 11:24 |
schestowitz | if the code is on github, those people work for microsoft | Nov 12 11:25 |
schestowitz | maybe >also< for someone else | Nov 12 11:25 |
schestowitz | they cement a monopoly | Nov 12 11:25 |
Ariadne | in my case, i have managed to align the interests of my customers with creating and maintaining FOSS | Nov 12 11:25 |
Ariadne | yes, sure | Nov 12 11:25 |
schestowitz | that happens too sometimes | Nov 12 11:25 |
schestowitz | some code I wrote at work I used elsewhere later (legally) | Nov 12 11:25 |
Ariadne | i am just saying there are cases where doing so generates value for the developer | Nov 12 11:25 |
Ariadne | schestowitz: in my case, i am paid to maintain the FOSS i write (: | Nov 12 11:26 |
Ariadne | like, explicitly | Nov 12 11:26 |
Ariadne | that's what i do for a living | Nov 12 11:26 |
Ariadne | and i guess also some fly-by-night network engineering | Nov 12 11:26 |
Ariadne | but i work for a company that produces embedded appliances running on alpine | Nov 12 11:26 |
Ariadne | and they literally pay me to work full time on alpine | Nov 12 11:26 |
vZS1_2 | Realise that the typical FOSS participant is probably not an IT professional. | Nov 12 11:26 |
vZS1_2 | And most of those people don't need GitHub and the like | Nov 12 11:27 |
Ariadne | it depends on their motivation | Nov 12 11:27 |
Ariadne | if they want to become an IT professional | Nov 12 11:27 |
Ariadne | it helps a lot | Nov 12 11:27 |
vZS1_2 | And they are free to use GitHub | Nov 12 11:27 |
vZS1_2 | But that doesn't mean GitHub is good | Nov 12 11:27 |
Ariadne | ii never said github as an organization is good | Nov 12 11:27 |
Ariadne | i just said they have a nice CI system | Nov 12 11:27 |
vZS1_2 | You said a lot more than that. | Nov 12 11:28 |
schestowitz | rms wrote about power vs freedom | Nov 12 11:28 |
schestowitz | or choosing something for 'features' | Nov 12 11:28 |
schestowitz | over one's autonomy | Nov 12 11:29 |
schestowitz | so that applies to github | Nov 12 11:29 |
schestowitz | microsoft didn't even develop it | Nov 12 11:29 |
vZS1_2 | I'm here to make sure people have freedom over their computing. And GitHub is an antithesis to that. | Nov 12 11:29 |
schestowitz | github took vc money to build up network effect | Nov 12 11:29 |
Ariadne | yes | Nov 12 11:29 |
schestowitz | microsoft was the submarine since 2014 | Nov 12 11:29 |
schestowitz | ambushing it | Nov 12 11:29 |
schestowitz | and github know, afaik | Nov 12 11:29 |
schestowitz | github even publicly praised microsoft | Nov 12 11:29 |
Ariadne | anyway | Nov 12 11:29 |
schestowitz | about how they "contribute" "the most" | Nov 12 11:30 |
schestowitz | to github | Nov 12 11:30 |
vZS1_2 | Decentralisation is the only way to make sure people have freedom | Nov 12 11:30 |
schestowitz | which they had been planning to buy since 6 years ago | Nov 12 11:30 |
Ariadne | agreed | Nov 12 11:30 |
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schestowitz | this si a true story, by the way, they admitted it | Nov 12 11:30 |
schestowitz | many people missed it | Nov 12 11:30 |
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schestowitz | http://techrights.org/2020/06/15/confessions-of-scott-guthrie/ | Nov 12 11:30 |
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schestowitz | a year after 2014 they started "Microsoft loves Linux" | Nov 12 11:30 |
Ariadne | i'm just saying some people and businesses choose to use use github to leverage that network effect | Nov 12 11:31 |
schestowitz | than, in 2016, buying the LF | Nov 12 11:31 |
schestowitz | GitHub was the next stepping stone | Nov 12 11:31 |
schestowitz | for stealing the competition, the usual modus operandi | Nov 12 11:31 |
Ariadne | stuff like forgefed may become a nice alternative for those usecases though | Nov 12 11:31 |
vZS1_2 | That's fine for the businessed and said people. They're free to choose what they wish and leverage the things those choices provide. | Nov 12 11:31 |
Ariadne | i'm not saying everyone must use github | Nov 12 11:31 |
Ariadne | if you want to toss your git repo on a raspberry pi and host it on your home LAN, go for it | Nov 12 11:32 |
schestowitz | we need to encourage people to do that | Nov 12 11:32 |
schestowitz | same for social control media though I think the concept as a whole is flawed | Nov 12 11:33 |
vZS1_2 | That's the only way to remain autonomous | Nov 12 11:33 |
Ariadne | to encourage people to do that, you need to make it seamless | Nov 12 11:33 |
schestowitz | and people gain little from it,except exposure to really Nasty People they'd never meet in person | Nov 12 11:33 |
Ariadne | forgefed can help with that | Nov 12 11:33 |
Ariadne | if you think social control media is bad | Nov 12 11:33 |
Ariadne | try signing up on these dating platforms | Nov 12 11:33 |
Ariadne | i did so as an experiment, and discovered that men really love to send dick pics to people | Nov 12 11:34 |
Ariadne | #1 hobby i guess | Nov 12 11:34 |
schestowitz | even former NSA dude did that | Nov 12 11:34 |
schestowitz | in twitter | Nov 12 11:34 |
schestowitz | lost his job | Nov 12 11:34 |
Ariadne | hdparm is giving me a solid 400MB/s read speed on the techrights VM | Nov 12 11:35 |
schestowitz | John Schindler iirc | Nov 12 11:35 |
schestowitz | wow, that's like... REALLY fast | Nov 12 11:35 |
schestowitz | fills up a drive in a minute | Nov 12 11:35 |
Ariadne | that's infiniband | Nov 12 11:35 |
Ariadne | :) | Nov 12 11:35 |
schestowitz | false advertising | Nov 12 11:35 |
schestowitz | 400 is nowhere near infinity | Nov 12 11:35 |
Ariadne | what i know is | Nov 12 11:35 |
schestowitz | like "infinite bandwidth" | Nov 12 11:36 |
schestowitz | "n caps" | Nov 12 11:36 |
Ariadne | you could not pay me | Nov 12 11:36 |
schestowitz | *no | Nov 12 11:36 |
Ariadne | to run gitlab ever again | Nov 12 11:36 |
schestowitz | until you hit that cap and they phone you | Nov 12 11:36 |
schestowitz | gitlab is dual-licensed | Nov 12 11:36 |
Ariadne | worst admin experience of my life | Nov 12 11:36 |
vZS1_2 | Git by itself is sufficient | Nov 12 11:36 |
Ariadne | i don't know how the alpine sysadmin team does it | Nov 12 11:36 |
schestowitz | enough of a deterrence, and the company can be sold, already uses MS 'AJJJURe" before | Nov 12 11:36 |
schestowitz | *used | Nov 12 11:36 |
Ariadne | vZS1_2: for joe blow releasing youtube-dl to the world, sure | Nov 12 11:37 |
vZS1_2 | shestowitz: I've got more Git hooks in the works. Will let you know when they're ready. | Nov 12 11:37 |
schestowitz | cheers! | Nov 12 11:37 |
Ariadne | for people who want web-based review etc | Nov 12 11:37 |
Ariadne | not really | Nov 12 11:37 |
Ariadne | :) | Nov 12 11:37 |
schestowitz | vZS1_2: is that bulletin format ok? amended it last night, even regenerated the file (a second time) | Nov 12 11:37 |
vZS1_2 | That's what bugtrackers are for | Nov 12 11:37 |
schestowitz | longterm GitHub is MS Office | Nov 12 11:38 |
vZS1_2 | None of this monolithic nonsense flies in my ops | Nov 12 11:38 |
schestowitz | it has many features | Nov 12 11:38 |
schestowitz | but most of them you don't need | Nov 12 11:38 |
schestowitz | they impose "upgrades" on you | Nov 12 11:38 |
schestowitz | there are compat issues | Nov 12 11:38 |
schestowitz | it's proprietary | Nov 12 11:38 |
schestowitz | so you might be best off with simpler libreoffice and odf 1.2-2 | Nov 12 11:38 |
Ariadne | vZS1_2: yes, something like phabricator is a good option alongside just git | Nov 12 11:38 |
schestowitz | Ariadne: like storing data on plain text files | Nov 12 11:38 |
schestowitz | they age better, less hassle to maintain in many cases | Nov 12 11:38 |
vZS1_2 | schestowitz: reading now while having my tea. | Nov 12 11:39 |
schestowitz | github code = arj files full of 16-bit binaries | Nov 12 11:39 |
vZS1_2 | schestowitz: I think it would help if the "RECENT BULLETINS" had a short timestamp next to them. | Nov 12 11:40 |
schestowitz | "Microsoft has my backup" != real backup | Nov 12 11:40 |
schestowitz | same for "clown backup" | Nov 12 11:40 |
schestowitz | even if you encrypt it | Nov 12 11:40 |
schestowitz | you can lose access to it | Nov 12 11:40 |
Ariadne | XRevan86: what is this reflink=1 | Nov 12 11:40 |
schestowitz | I keep trying to explain this in simple terms to people, gain control over your digital objects, all of them | Nov 12 11:40 |
schestowitz | external hard drives, even just a pair = NOT expensive | Nov 12 11:41 |
vZS1_2 | Gamers are the last people who bother buying their own hardware | Nov 12 11:41 |
vZS1_2 | That's why it's important we draw them in | Nov 12 11:41 |
schestowitz | and a "phone" that beeps you every 2 minutes 'coz someone LIKED..." isn't helping you | Nov 12 11:41 |
vZS1_2 | Chromebooks et al are going to be the death of computing freedom | Nov 12 11:41 |
schestowitz | people like the sorrow/misery of addiction" | Nov 12 11:42 |
Ariadne | schestowitz: actually, for some that does help their mental health | Nov 12 11:42 |
schestowitz | "beer helps me, it helps me get calmer" | Nov 12 11:42 |
Ariadne | right | Nov 12 11:42 |
Ariadne | :) | Nov 12 11:42 |
schestowitz | "GitHub is practical" | Nov 12 11:42 |
schestowitz | "it works" | Nov 12 11:42 |
schestowitz | (until it doesn't) | Nov 12 11:42 |
schestowitz | one day github will die | Nov 12 11:42 |
Ariadne | yeah | Nov 12 11:42 |
schestowitz | and all those bug-related tickets won't be exportable | Nov 12 11:42 |
Ariadne | hopefully when forgefed replaces it | Nov 12 11:42 |
XRevan86 | Ariadne: XFS supports Copy-on-Write if it's enabled on the mkfs stage. | Nov 12 11:42 |
schestowitz | like linux with its old version control system | Nov 12 11:42 |
Ariadne | forgefed is pretty cool | Nov 12 11:43 |
schestowitz | Ariadne: that's why we have viera btw | Nov 12 11:43 |
schestowitz | social control media sites have short lifetimes | Nov 12 11:43 |
schestowitz | twitter is shrinking | Nov 12 11:43 |
XRevan86 | Ariadne: Can help with storage and stuff. | Nov 12 11:43 |
Ariadne | XRevan86: well i have 100tb of storage on the SAN | Nov 12 11:43 |
schestowitz | and it's only like 15 years old, even less considering when it really consolidated | Nov 12 11:43 |
schestowitz | Ariadne: that's a LOT of pr0n | Nov 12 11:44 |
vZS1_2 | schestowitz: fear not, we have unlimited CI minutes! xD | Nov 12 11:44 |
vZS1_2 | Eat that GitHub | Nov 12 11:45 |
schestowitz | it ate up many projects | Nov 12 11:45 |
schestowitz | I hope for their myspace moment; | Nov 12 11:45 |
schestowitz | murdoch being their microsoft equivalent | Nov 12 11:45 |
schestowitz | no boss, same as the old boss, goodbye | Nov 12 11:46 |
schestowitz | the tipping point was last year, I think | Nov 12 11:46 |
schestowitz | it's like skype | Nov 12 11:46 |
vZS1_2 | All our CI will run just fine on the PI btw | Nov 12 11:46 |
schestowitz | was almost monopoly when Microsoft bought it | Nov 12 11:46 |
schestowitz | now? meh | Nov 12 11:46 |
vZS1_2 | I was doing some stress tests | Nov 12 11:46 |
vZS1_2 | Things are looking good | Nov 12 11:46 |
schestowitz | Skype is just one of many | Nov 12 11:46 |
schestowitz | same will happen to github in the next few years | Nov 12 11:46 |
Ariadne | setup-disk -m sys /mnt | Nov 12 11:46 |
schestowitz | news sites like to count only github as the platform to count/measure/assess, but it'll change | Nov 12 11:46 |
vZS1_2 | Mother, my project has 2k stars on GitHub. I must be famous. | Nov 12 11:47 |
schestowitz | see http://techrights.org/wiki/index.php/Linux_Foundation | Nov 12 11:47 |
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schestowitz | LF asks you to enter your github account along with name | Nov 12 11:48 |
schestowitz | as if to assume all people must have a Microsoft account | Nov 12 11:48 |
schestowitz | which was telling | Nov 12 11:48 |
vZS1_2 | The distributed shift is coming. And Microsoft and friends are shitting their pants. | Nov 12 11:48 |
vZS1_2 | I'm waiting for Microsoft <3 IPFS | Nov 12 11:49 |
schestowitz | lol | Nov 12 11:49 |
schestowitz | btw | Nov 12 11:49 |
schestowitz | go to ipfs.io | Nov 12 11:49 |
schestowitz | go to the image of partners etc. | Nov 12 11:49 |
schestowitz | it's apng | Nov 12 11:49 |
Ariadne | XRevan86: anyway my reason for xfs for container was due to inodes not being a static number | Nov 12 11:49 |
schestowitz | "Azure" is in there | Nov 12 11:49 |
schestowitz | nothing says "trust us" like Microsoft's logo | Nov 12 11:49 |
schestowitz | with RIAA lurking | Nov 12 11:49 |
schestowitz | maybe RIAA will 'camp' in Azure to watch for IPFS 'piracy' | Nov 12 11:50 |
vZS1_2 | They buy a seat everywhere. Shouldn't be a surprise. | Nov 12 11:51 |
vZS1_2 | seat(s)* | Nov 12 11:51 |
schestowitz | the embrace phase | Nov 12 11:52 |
schestowitz | one finger in each pie | Nov 12 11:52 |
schestowitz | 100 fingers total | Nov 12 11:52 |
vZS1_2 | lol | Nov 12 11:53 |
schestowitz | they did that to apache, osi, countless others | Nov 12 11:53 |
schestowitz | blender | Nov 12 11:53 |
schestowitz | godot | Nov 12 11:53 |
schestowitz | facebook also | Nov 12 11:53 |
schestowitz | 5% stake | Nov 12 11:53 |
schestowitz | now they eat up all the facebook data | Nov 12 11:53 |
schestowitz | free access | Nov 12 11:53 |
vZS1_2 | Thing is, go-ipfs is a working reference implementation. They can't really stop people from using it. | Nov 12 11:53 |
schestowitz | microsoft is data brokering | Nov 12 11:53 |
schestowitz | "Even worse, if you mention the "telemetry" in VSCode, you get a PR barrage of downvotes and comments saying it's "optional" and Microsoft isn't like facebook and they don't depend on data." #microsoft works WITH #facbook !! https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=25027296 | Nov 12 11:54 |
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vZS1_2 | It's like torrents. The technology they can't stop. | Nov 12 11:54 |
schestowitz | they can suppress its use | Nov 12 11:55 |
schestowitz | they = front groups like FACT against ISPs, software companies etc. | Nov 12 11:55 |
schestowitz | they shut down megaupload | Nov 12 11:55 |
schestowitz | but not box, google, microsoft | Nov 12 11:55 |
vZS1_2 | You can't shut down a P2P network | Nov 12 11:55 |
schestowitz | for offering the same service | Nov 12 11:55 |
vZS1_2 | Otherwise Bittorrent would be dead | Nov 12 11:55 |
schestowitz | some also block or flag torrentfreak, for merely writing news stories | Nov 12 11:56 |
schestowitz | because news whose message they don't like it also... 'piracy'.. somehow | Nov 12 11:56 |
vZS1_2 | We should be vigilant, yes. But not too worried. | Nov 12 11:56 |
schestowitz | soon they'll say ipfs is for pedophiles and terror groups | Nov 12 11:56 |
schestowitz | with "evidence" | Nov 12 11:56 |
schestowitz | right in the front page of BBC | Nov 12 11:56 |
schestowitz | "the dark WEB" | Nov 12 11:56 |
vZS1_2 | I've got snapshots of all the IPFS code and dependencies required to build it. We'll be fine. | Nov 12 11:57 |
vZS1_2 | Same with my encryption archive | Nov 12 11:57 |
vZS1_2 | I've got every major library in 3 backups | Nov 12 11:57 |
vZS1_2 | and made some for my friends too | Nov 12 11:57 |
vZS1_2 | Includes builds for Linux, OpenBSD, FreeBSD, and NetBSD. | Nov 12 11:58 |
vZS1_2 | Windows is actually the only one I didn't bother to do. | Nov 12 11:58 |
schestowitz | don't | Nov 12 11:59 |
schestowitz | windows is declining | Nov 12 11:59 |
vZS1_2 | Yeah. I don't plan to waste my time on that sinking ship | Nov 12 11:59 |
schestowitz | even many laptops now come with chromeos | Nov 12 11:59 |
schestowitz | it's like supporting something that's waning | Nov 12 11:59 |
schestowitz | like WIndows Server | Nov 12 11:59 |
schestowitz | IIS is dying | Nov 12 11:59 |
schestowitz | very fast | Nov 12 11:59 |
vZS1_2 | It's going to be like COBOL | Nov 12 11:59 |
schestowitz | like 2% per month or 25% a year | Nov 12 11:59 |
vZS1_2 | only will run on legacy business infrastructure | Nov 12 11:59 |
schestowitz | niche product, no longer maintained | Nov 12 11:59 |
schestowitz | many sites move off iis during the pandemic | Nov 12 12:00 |
schestowitz | and that means moving off winserver as well | Nov 12 12:00 |
schestowitz | source: netcraft | Nov 12 12:00 |
schestowitz | techrights wrote about 5 articles about it this year | Nov 12 12:00 |
schestowitz | it's nice to see them losing the lucrative (profit) server market | Nov 12 12:00 |
schestowitz | they still lose tons of money on github | Nov 12 12:00 |
vZS1_2 | Bittorrent is what I look at when I need comfort | Nov 12 12:00 |
schestowitz | insiders say azure operates at a loss also | Nov 12 12:00 |
vZS1_2 | They tried to kill it | Nov 12 12:01 |
vZS1_2 | BUT IT STILL LIVES! | Nov 12 12:01 |
schestowitz | they laid off azure staff | Nov 12 12:01 |
schestowitz | github: many staff left | Nov 12 12:01 |
schestowitz | just need to be patient | Nov 12 12:01 |
schestowitz | and resist the infiltrations | Nov 12 12:01 |
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schestowitz | billg is moving more and more of his time into vaccine | Nov 12 12:01 |
schestowitz | I guess he saw the writings on the wall | Nov 12 12:01 |
Ariadne | see PM | Nov 12 12:02 |
schestowitz | bezos won the ecommerce wars | Nov 12 12:02 |
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vZS1_2 | Brought to you by taxpayer money | Nov 12 12:02 |
Ariadne | [04:59:12] <schestowitz> even many laptops now come with chromeos | Nov 12 12:03 |
Ariadne | chromeos really is shite tho | Nov 12 12:03 |
vZS1_2 | ecommerce has a lot of competition. | Nov 12 12:03 |
vZS1_2 | Amazon is staying afloat thanks to AWS | Nov 12 12:03 |
vZS1_2 | Not the ecommerce | Nov 12 12:03 |
vZS1_2 | Bezos is trying to monopolise logistics. That's the real danger. | Nov 12 12:04 |
vZS1_2 | Good luck trying to sell stuff if you can't ship/deliver it | Nov 12 12:04 |
Ariadne | bezos is honestly a larger threat than MSFT at this point | Nov 12 12:06 |
Ariadne | 1984 and watch dogs were meant to be cautionary tales | Nov 12 12:07 |
Ariadne | bezos is trying to make the latter a reality | Nov 12 12:07 |
Ariadne | see also: ring, etc | Nov 12 12:07 |
Ariadne | schestowitz: i think we should start with techrights, actually. | Nov 12 12:11 |
schestowitz | [12:03] <Ariadne> chromeos really is shite tho | Nov 12 12:12 |
schestowitz | drives the cost of windows to non-profit to microsoft | Nov 12 12:12 |
schestowitz | and they cannot seem to be able to maintain the code anymore | Nov 12 12:12 |
Ariadne | yes, but at the cost of end-user freedom | Nov 12 12:12 |
schestowitz | updates keep breaking things, sometimes bricking and data loss as a bonus | Nov 12 12:12 |
Ariadne | chromeos is less free (as in freedom) than windows | Nov 12 12:12 |
schestowitz | Ariadne: user freedom has long been an issue | Nov 12 12:12 |
Ariadne | chromeos is entirely locked down | Nov 12 12:13 |
schestowitz | google isn't worsening that by swapping windows with chromeOS. WE need to replace BOTH. | Nov 12 12:13 |
schestowitz | but draining Microsoft's budget is a good starting point | Nov 12 12:13 |
schestowitz | make NT extinct | Nov 12 12:13 |
Ariadne | i disagree. on windows, you can download and run arbitrary programs | Nov 12 12:13 |
Ariadne | on chromeos, you cannot even do that | Nov 12 12:13 |
Ariadne | that's a signficant downgrade in freedom | Nov 12 12:13 |
Ariadne | one that *normal users* will understand | Nov 12 12:14 |
schestowitz | [12:07] <Ariadne> see also: ring, etc | Nov 12 12:14 |
schestowitz | fire hazard | Nov 12 12:14 |
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schestowitz | I posted about this yesterday as well | Nov 12 12:14 |
Ariadne | yes i read about that | Nov 12 12:14 |
Ariadne | pretty funny | Nov 12 12:14 |
Ariadne | but google and amazon want to build "smart" cities | Nov 12 12:14 |
Ariadne | and if they succeed in that | Nov 12 12:14 |
Ariadne | we all lose | Nov 12 12:14 |
schestowitz | at least the smart fire alarm might work | Nov 12 12:14 |
schestowitz | no smart sprinklers yet | Nov 12 12:15 |
schestowitz | but you can hear something while the home burns down | Nov 12 12:15 |
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schestowitz | and you get notifications on your "smart" phone | Nov 12 12:15 |
schestowitz | "oh shit" | Nov 12 12:15 |
schestowitz | "what | Nov 12 12:15 |
schestowitz | "i just got a notification" | Nov 12 12:15 |
schestowitz | "my house is ashes" | Nov 12 12:15 |
schestowitz | "thanks, Amazon" | Nov 12 12:15 |
schestowitz | Ariadne: I focus on pertinent things | Nov 12 12:16 |
schestowitz | loss of privacy is one, but not my main focus | Nov 12 12:16 |
schestowitz | "Smart' cities have long been in the making | Nov 12 12:16 |
schestowitz | so it's not an "if" but "how much" | Nov 12 12:16 |
Ariadne | its not just loss of privacy, it's the likelihood of using "smart" city technology to oppress | Nov 12 12:17 |
schestowitz | selling gnu/linux as standard pc platform is helped by raising monopoly and privacy concerns/aspects | Nov 12 12:17 |
Ariadne | if you give cops "smart" drones which can fire pepper spray... | Nov 12 12:17 |
schestowitz | it happens already | Nov 12 12:17 |
schestowitz | even without googlezon | Nov 12 12:17 |
Ariadne | sure | Nov 12 12:17 |
schestowitz | 5 eyars ago dakota got drones with guns on them legalised | Nov 12 12:17 |
Ariadne | i am just saying that googlezon wants to scale that shit up | Nov 12 12:17 |
schestowitz | like the ones used abroad | Nov 12 12:17 |
schestowitz | for police btw | Nov 12 12:18 |
schestowitz | not fbi | Nov 12 12:18 |
schestowitz | Ariadne: good thing our site isn't called linuxrights | Nov 12 12:18 |
schestowitz | considering where linux is going | Nov 12 12:18 |
schestowitz | and the new threat surface | Nov 12 12:18 |
schestowitz | http://techrights.org/wiki/index.php/Amazon | Nov 12 12:18 |
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Amazon - Techrights | Nov 12 12:18 | |
Ariadne | linux is... a nightmare at this point | Nov 12 12:18 |
schestowitz | it's a commodity kernel | Nov 12 12:19 |
schestowitz | a pool of hardware/device drivers | Nov 12 12:19 |
Ariadne | i would like to build a better kernel, but there is only one of me | Nov 12 12:19 |
schestowitz | but to freedom it adds not much at this point, many of the hostile "smart" things run "LINUS" | Nov 12 12:19 |
schestowitz | *LINUX | Nov 12 12:19 |
Ariadne | yes, as bruce perens said | Nov 12 12:19 |
schestowitz | he speaks to RMS now | Nov 12 12:20 |
Ariadne | open source is everywhere now, but usually employed in service of oppressing the end user | Nov 12 12:20 |
schestowitz | cost-lowering | Nov 12 12:20 |
schestowitz | "practical" | Nov 12 12:20 |
Ariadne | and the problem is, those companies get devs to do their dirty work because devs need to eat | Nov 12 12:20 |
schestowitz | digi-gig economy | Nov 12 12:20 |
schestowitz | "supplicants" | Nov 12 12:21 |
-viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: MX Linux 19.3 Released: A Midweight Debian and antiX OS Spinoff http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/144241#comment-27126 [https://pleroma.site/objects/37e8881c-35de-48df-a704-69f806aa6293] | Nov 12 12:22 | |
Ariadne | hmm | Nov 12 12:22 |
-viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: #Android Leftovers โข ๐๐ฆ๐ฉ ๐๐๐๐๐๐๐๐ค โ http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/144293 [https://pleroma.site/objects/d819902e-3069-48aa-a905-c047763826ce] | Nov 12 12:24 | |
schestowitz | Ariadne: basically, some people want to "swap masters" | Nov 12 12:25 |
schestowitz | http://techrights.org/2020/11/07/freesw-autonomy/ | Nov 12 12:25 |
schestowitz | lots of "Apple fans" | Nov 12 12:25 |
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schestowitz | as if all is good if Apple dominated 100% of the laptop market | Nov 12 12:25 |
schestowitz | same for amazon and google (to some) | Nov 12 12:25 |
schestowitz | we need to think past that | Nov 12 12:25 |
vZS1_2 | I've been seeing a lot of IDE posts online, lately. | Nov 12 12:25 |
schestowitz | it's like the "Two Party system" | Nov 12 12:25 |
schestowitz | people choosing one of two boots | Nov 12 12:26 |
Ariadne | i primarily use linux and macs | Nov 12 12:26 |
schestowitz | to be walking over them | Nov 12 12:26 |
Ariadne | don't know much about the current windows shitshow | Nov 12 12:26 |
Ariadne | i gave up on windows after vista | Nov 12 12:26 |
Ariadne | vista was too buggy 4 me | Nov 12 12:26 |
schestowitz | so did alchin | Nov 12 12:26 |
schestowitz | allchin | Nov 12 12:26 |
vZS1_2 | Maybe I should write a piece on ed(1). Give some of these people nightmares. lol | Nov 12 12:27 |
schestowitz | good idea | Nov 12 12:27 |
schestowitz | vZS1_2: I might now do articles today | Nov 12 12:28 |
schestowitz | I want to focus 100% of the server migration if possible, otherwise mental clutter, overload | Nov 12 12:28 |
vZS1_2 | ed(1) is a saviour. When everything dies and goes wrong, ed(1) can still save you. | Nov 12 12:28 |
Ariadne | go ahead and do articles | Nov 12 12:28 |
schestowitz | Ariadne: ok, cheers | Nov 12 12:28 |
schestowitz | will do EPO leaks | Nov 12 12:28 |
vZS1_2 | How many hits are the EPO leaks getting? | Nov 12 12:29 |
schestowitz | the number misses the point | Nov 12 12:29 |
Ariadne | i just fucking wrecked my neck again | Nov 12 12:29 |
schestowitz | it's WHo read those | Nov 12 12:29 |
schestowitz | and it's most EPO staff | Nov 12 12:29 |
vZS1_2 | Ah | Nov 12 12:29 |
vZS1_2 | I get you. | Nov 12 12:29 |
Ariadne | good | Nov 12 12:29 |
Ariadne | demoralize them | Nov 12 12:29 |
schestowitz | it's 7000+ people, it's Europe's second-biggest institution | Nov 12 12:29 |
schestowitz | EPO slapped me several times, with several law firms | Nov 12 12:30 |
schestowitz | backfired on them mostly | Nov 12 12:30 |
schestowitz | they have not tried in a few years, but they assure me they "Watch" me | Nov 12 12:30 |
vZS1_2 | Ariadne: you taking enough breaks? :P | Nov 12 12:30 |
-viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: 8 Best Free and Open Source Distraction-Free Tools for Writers http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/144291 [https://pleroma.site/objects/7d488fe1-3297-43f4-8e10-1bb4c3ca46bc] | Nov 12 12:33 | |
-viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: Test GNOME apps on this Linux reference platform http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/144290 [https://pleroma.site/objects/b49731db-785b-46a4-a3f2-2e4dd038e45c] | Nov 12 12:34 | |
vZS1_2 | schestowitz: see if you can file for harrassment, if they try again. | Nov 12 12:34 |
schestowitz | no, cannot | Nov 12 12:35 |
vZS1_2 | Will stop distracting you now. | Nov 12 12:35 |
schestowitz | read http://techrights.org/wiki/index.php/EPO | Nov 12 12:35 |
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | EPO - Techrights | Nov 12 12:35 | |
schestowitz | around 2015-16 | Nov 12 12:35 |
schestowitz | the EPO is special | Nov 12 12:35 |
schestowitz | it cannot be sued | Nov 12 12:36 |
schestowitz | for anything | Nov 12 12:36 |
schestowitz | that's part of the problem | Nov 12 12:36 |
schestowitz | they bully and blackmail people | Nov 12 12:36 |
schestowitz | some commit suicide | Nov 12 12:36 |
schestowitz | and echr won't pick on them, either | Nov 12 12:36 |
schestowitz | they ruined many lives | Nov 12 12:36 |
schestowitz | wipo is the same | Nov 12 12:36 |
schestowitz | techrights.org/wiki/index.php/WIPO | Nov 12 12:36 |
schestowitz | stupid firefox | Nov 12 12:36 |
schestowitz | removing http:// | Nov 12 12:36 |
Ariadne | i still say brexit was a foolish mistake for UK | Nov 12 12:36 |
Ariadne | some said brexit good because no EPO | Nov 12 12:37 |
-viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: Improve open source community sustainability by tracking these two metrics http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/144289 [https://pleroma.site/objects/59dba61f-e26d-4dfa-ac7b-dccde70881cc] | Nov 12 12:37 | |
Ariadne | anyway i am going to take a nap | Nov 12 12:38 |
Ariadne | back later | Nov 12 12:38 |
vZS1_2 | o/ | Nov 12 12:38 |
-viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: LXQt 0.16.0 Review โ Lightweight Qt Desktop Environment โข ๐๐ฆ๐ฉ ๐๐๐๐๐๐๐๐ค โ http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/144288 [https://pleroma.site/objects/75d56c8b-3429-4f3d-bb74-407719e6a9b6] | Nov 12 12:39 | |
schestowitz | Ariadne: thanks a lot! | Nov 12 12:40 |
Ariadne | with that said, the jellycat stuffed animal company of london is a treasure | Nov 12 12:40 |
schestowitz | Ariadne: I got a wish a condolences for you from the other server admin | Nov 12 12:40 |
Ariadne | oh [REDACTED NAME]? | Nov 12 12:41 |
schestowitz | aye | Nov 12 12:41 |
schestowitz | I will remove the name from the ogs | Nov 12 12:41 |
schestowitz | *logs | Nov 12 12:41 |
Ariadne | anyway my goal is to put techrights in amsterdam once I have a site there | Nov 12 12:41 |
schestowitz | excellent | Nov 12 12:41 |
schestowitz | i suppose porting the whole VM over would be VM migration thing | Nov 12 12:42 |
Ariadne | but now techrights will be in the silicon valley | Nov 12 12:42 |
Ariadne | yeah | Nov 12 12:42 |
Ariadne | no | Nov 12 12:42 |
schestowitz | as you said you had build it as vm with container inside 'bare metal' | Nov 12 12:42 |
Ariadne | we have time to do it right this time | Nov 12 12:42 |
schestowitz | ok | Nov 12 12:42 |
schestowitz | no rush | Nov 12 12:42 |
Ariadne | so we move everything to container and install from scratch | Nov 12 12:42 |
Ariadne | probably in a few hours | Nov 12 12:43 |
schestowitz | i see | Nov 12 12:43 |
schestowitz | oh, have a good nap | Nov 12 12:43 |
Ariadne | I will start setting up the nginx and mariadb containers | Nov 12 12:43 |
Ariadne | I think that's a good starting point | Nov 12 12:43 |
schestowitz | remember tuxmachines was allergic to that mariadb version when we last attempted it | Nov 12 12:43 |
schestowitz | I can pull back up what we found in the logs when that happened, maybe encoding thing | Nov 12 12:44 |
Ariadne | yeah I think it's just cause tuxmachines is on ancient centos | Nov 12 12:44 |
schestowitz | before that it was debian | Nov 12 12:44 |
schestowitz | and gentoo at one point | Nov 12 12:44 |
schestowitz | home-hosted even | Nov 12 12:44 |
schestowitz | with no-ip | Nov 12 12:44 |
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schestowitz | when we took over traffic was like 10 times smaller | Nov 12 12:45 |
Ariadne | anyway | Nov 12 12:45 |
schestowitz | if/when we add https it can help rankings | Nov 12 12:45 |
schestowitz | anyway, gn | Nov 12 12:45 |
Ariadne | one thing I do need to know is | Nov 12 12:45 |
Ariadne | do you need direct ssh access to those containers for uploading files etc | Nov 12 12:46 |
schestowitz | the dbs? no. | Nov 12 12:46 |
schestowitz | they can be local lan/network, like 10.something | Nov 12 12:46 |
schestowitz | as before | Nov 12 12:46 |
schestowitz | I never had to access the db container since april or may | Nov 12 12:47 |
schestowitz | it justWorked(TM) | Nov 12 12:47 |
Ariadne | I meant the sites themselves | Nov 12 12:47 |
Ariadne | like do you scp/sftp files directly to those vms | Nov 12 12:47 |
Ariadne | cause what I was thinking is | Nov 12 12:48 |
Ariadne | we put the sites themselves on 10.x | Nov 12 12:48 |
schestowitz | ah, yes, I do | Nov 12 12:48 |
Ariadne | that way they aren't directly internet facing | Nov 12 12:49 |
schestowitz | also for remote backups | Nov 12 12:49 |
schestowitz | monitoring | Nov 12 12:49 |
Ariadne | but if you need sftp we do something else | Nov 12 12:49 |
schestowitz | git | Nov 12 12:49 |
schestowitz | we also do sharing of key files through it | Nov 12 12:49 |
schestowitz | there's an account for that | Nov 12 12:49 |
schestowitz | even the raspi rsyncs the files with ipfs stuff to that server | Nov 12 12:50 |
schestowitz | and irc logs sent to it every night | Nov 12 12:50 |
schestowitz | iow, making it firewalled away would entail lots of work(aronds) | Nov 12 12:51 |
schestowitz | vZS1_2: https://blog.torproject.org/hrd-amazon-training | Nov 12 12:56 |
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-blog.torproject.org | Digital security tools for human rights defenders | Tor Blog | Nov 12 12:56 | |
schestowitz | just now | Nov 12 12:56 |
schestowitz | amazon | Nov 12 12:56 |
schestowitz | (the real one) | Nov 12 12:57 |
schestowitz | greenwash | Nov 12 12:57 |
vZS1_2 | privacyโข | Nov 12 12:57 |
-viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: Tor, Firefox/Mozilla, and Rust โข ๐๐ฆ๐ฉ ๐๐๐๐๐๐๐๐ค โ http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/144294 [https://pleroma.site/objects/d76fd1e7-0746-49de-9a87-0c5b8cd77569] | Nov 12 12:59 | |
schestowitz | vZS1_2: did you see those latest iPhone ads? | Nov 12 13:00 |
schestowitz | billboard of people covering their faces? | Nov 12 13:00 |
schestowitz | with a device that has cameras on both sides? | Nov 12 13:00 |
schestowitz | and it says "that's privacy" | Nov 12 13:00 |
vZS1_2 | โข* | Nov 12 13:00 |
schestowitz | that's like giving kissinger and obama nobel for peace | Nov 12 13:01 |
schestowitz | the thing that destroys your privacy | Nov 12 13:01 |
schestowitz | "is privacy" | Nov 12 13:01 |
schestowitz | people who bomb nations... | Nov 12 13:01 |
schestowitz | "peace" | Nov 12 13:01 |
schestowitz | Microsoft also loves Linux BTW | Nov 12 13:01 |
schestowitz | I know because I heard they put that up on a slide | Nov 12 13:02 |
schestowitz | and they sell PNG attachments of those images to journalists with 'prepared' articles | Nov 12 13:02 |
vZS1_2 | You mean | Nov 12 13:03 |
vZS1_2 | Microsoft โกLinux | Nov 12 13:04 |
vZS1_2 | "journalists" | Nov 12 13:04 |
schestowitz | https://digit.site36.net/2020/11/11/the-eu-in-crypto-war/ | Nov 12 13:05 |
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-digit.site36.net | The EU in Crypto War โ Matthias Monroy | Nov 12 13:05 | |
schestowitz | for today's links | Nov 12 13:05 |
schestowitz | chrunalists | Nov 12 13:05 |
schestowitz | "good encryption" | Nov 12 13:05 |
schestowitz | Weak-Enough encryption | Nov 12 13:05 |
schestowitz | or "the terrorists win" | Nov 12 13:05 |
schestowitz | "might lead to dancing" | Nov 12 13:06 |
vZS1_2 | Shh | Nov 12 13:06 |
vZS1_2 | Quantum encryption | Nov 12 13:06 |
vZS1_2 | See | Nov 12 13:06 |
vZS1_2 | I can make up words too | Nov 12 13:06 |
vZS1_2 | Wait.... | Nov 12 13:06 |
schestowitz | quantum cloud | Nov 12 13:07 |
schestowitz | sorry | Nov 12 13:07 |
schestowitz | SMART quantum cloud | Nov 12 13:07 |
schestowitz | with an app with ux to access the iot on the clown | Nov 12 13:08 |
schestowitz | "on the blockchain" | Nov 12 13:08 |
schestowitz | x https://stackoverflow.blog/2020/11/09/modern-ide-vs-vim-emacs/ | Nov 12 13:12 |
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-stackoverflow.blog | Modern IDEs are magic. Why are so many coders still using Vim and Emacs? - Stack Overflow Blog | Nov 12 13:12 | |
schestowitz | # GNU/Linux is itself a development environment | Nov 12 13:12 |
schestowitz | # what is happening with the "IDE" crowd is that they are | Nov 12 13:12 |
schestowitz | # not learning the systems and falling victim to the monolith ideology | Nov 12 13:12 |
schestowitz | # from Redmond | Nov 12 13:12 |
schestowitz | (from a friend) | Nov 12 13:12 |
schestowitz | the pipes and workflows are in the OS, indeed | Nov 12 13:13 |
schestowitz | IDEs don't need to do >everything< | Nov 12 13:13 |
vZS1_2 | Yep. I still use ed(1), a lot of the time. Not even emacs nor vim. | Nov 12 13:13 |
schestowitz | systemic modularity means you get the same feature across many editors | Nov 12 13:13 |
schestowitz | not all-in-one | Nov 12 13:13 |
schestowitz | like netscape trying to do email too | Nov 12 13:13 |
vZS1_2 | This monolithic architecture is the death of user freedom. | Nov 12 13:13 |
schestowitz | I use nano and kate btw, if they're available | Nov 12 13:13 |
schestowitz | vZS1_2: it's lockin | Nov 12 13:14 |
schestowitz | ide bloat | Nov 12 13:14 |
schestowitz | VS 'Code' is 'free drugs' | Nov 12 13:14 |
schestowitz | sample | Nov 12 13:14 |
schestowitz | to get people hooked on the proprietary drug | Nov 12 13:14 |
schestowitz | and yet nobody says it | Nov 12 13:14 |
schestowitz | they promote "Code" | Nov 12 13:14 |
schestowitz | and they say "Open Source" | Nov 12 13:14 |
schestowitz | it's a blob from MSFT | Nov 12 13:14 |
*inky has quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer) | Nov 12 13:14 | |
schestowitz | with telemetry | Nov 12 13:14 |
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vZS1_2 | I still use plain old GNU diff a lot instead of Git's diff. | Nov 12 13:16 |
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schestowitz | new issue is, | Nov 12 13:17 |
vZS1_2 | I'm actually using it to check for updates in the TR IPFS index these days. | Nov 12 13:17 |
schestowitz | "better tools" are on github | Nov 12 13:17 |
schestowitz | so they tell you, get rid of this gnu thing | Nov 12 13:17 |
schestowitz | use this thing from microsoft shithub | Nov 12 13:17 |
schestowitz | and some will | Nov 12 13:17 |
schestowitz | extend, embrace precedes sometimes (base code), outsource to Microsoft | Nov 12 13:17 |
vZS1_2 | `$ diff --brief txt <(wget -q -O - http://techrights.org/ipfs/txt)` | Nov 12 13:18 |
schestowitz | microsoft is evil, but not stupid | Nov 12 13:18 |
schestowitz | their strategy with shithub is really malicious, but we can make it less effective by making it the next myspace | Nov 12 13:18 |
vZS1_2 | That's GNU diff. And how I check for updates you push out. | Nov 12 13:18 |
schestowitz | then it becomes another write-off like nokia | Nov 12 13:18 |
schestowitz | and they announces losses again, EVEN to their shareholders (whom they always defraud) | Nov 12 13:19 |
vZS1_2 | I try to let you handle all the GitHub news. I can't afford to spare energy on that front because I'm working on Git+IPFS to build a better solution. | Nov 12 13:20 |
vZS1_2 | To me, GitHub doesn't exist (with respect to my private projects). | Nov 12 13:20 |
schestowitz | a lot of 'privacy' projects are on shithub | Nov 12 13:21 |
schestowitz | signal | Nov 12 13:21 |
schestowitz | privacytools | Nov 12 13:21 |
schestowitz | letsencrypt | Nov 12 13:22 |
schestowitz | even the letsencrypt web site | Nov 12 13:22 |
schestowitz | it's always amusing | Nov 12 13:22 |
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schestowitz | look, we're so good at privacy... we even have this account at proprietary software clown of NSA/Microsoft | Nov 12 13:22 |
schestowitz | I say, this is where I agree with Torvalds' "masturbating monkeys" remarks | Nov 12 13:23 |
schestowitz | they impress only their circlejerk | Nov 12 13:23 |
vZS1_2 | Even OpenBSD has GitHub mirrors. | Nov 12 13:23 |
schestowitz | the strategy is | Nov 12 13:23 |
schestowitz | reinforce the stigma | Nov 12 13:23 |
schestowitz | which is hinged on facts | Nov 12 13:24 |
schestowitz | project on github = no credibility | Nov 12 13:24 |
schestowitz | dumb devs | Nov 12 13:24 |
schestowitz | no security | Nov 12 13:24 |
schestowitz | no care for privacy | Nov 12 13:24 |
schestowitz | friendly to microsoft monopoly | Nov 12 13:24 |
schestowitz | may be compromised | Nov 12 13:24 |
schestowitz | locked in | Nov 12 13:24 |
schestowitz | then, for future projects, they try another platform | Nov 12 13:24 |
schestowitz | rinse, repeat | Nov 12 13:24 |
zoobab | IPFS sucks big time | Nov 12 13:25 |
schestowitz | some people join me in this, not condemning by highlighting the credibility deficit associated with hosting there | Nov 12 13:25 |
schestowitz | zoobab: what's better? | Nov 12 13:25 |
schestowitz | zoobab: you made backups of techrights in github some years ago | Nov 12 13:25 |
schestowitz | now Microsoft has all the copies | Nov 12 13:25 |
schestowitz | we worked with Internet Archives on archiving also | Nov 12 13:26 |
schestowitz | but it's still a single point of failure, they do takedowns also | Nov 12 13:26 |
schestowitz | https://www.researchgate.net/publication/337450101_A_Distributed_File-Based_Storage_System_for_Improving_High_Availability_of_Space_Weather_Data#read | Nov 12 13:27 |
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.researchgate.net | (PDF) A Distributed File-Based Storage System for Improving High Availability of Space Weather Data | Nov 12 13:27 | |
oiaohm | zoobab: if you hate IPFS so much what p2p hosting solutions do you like. | Nov 12 13:32 |
zoobab | none of them, IPFS does garbage collection and can remove content | Nov 12 13:40 |
schestowitz | lol | Nov 12 13:40 |
schestowitz | https://www.zdnet.com/article/microsoft-urges-users-to-stop-using-phone-based-multi-factor-authentication/ | Nov 12 13:40 |
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Microsoft urges users to stop using phone-based multi-factor authentication | ZDNet | Nov 12 13:40 | |
schestowitz | they should stop using Microsoft | Nov 12 13:40 |
schestowitz | since when is Microsoft a security authority? | Nov 12 13:40 |
zoobab | also it is super hard to make mirrors with IPFS | Nov 12 13:40 |
schestowitz | this seems true | Nov 12 13:41 |
zoobab | and it does not guarantee that a copy of the content is always available, even if you remove the only node that has the only copy on earth | Nov 12 13:41 |
schestowitz | high learning curve | Nov 12 13:41 |
zoobab | what would be needed is some kind of builtin mecanism to guarantee that there is always 3 copies maintained | Nov 12 13:42 |
vZS1_2 | Yes. A peer to peer system without peers is not going to work. Do you want a Turing Award? | Nov 12 13:42 |
zoobab | plus it needs some builtin mecanism to avoid police takedown | Nov 12 13:42 |
vZS1_2 | Another troll to block | Nov 12 13:43 |
zoobab | then make a rule that you need to find X amount of other peers before you can publish | Nov 12 13:43 |
zoobab | or for example donate disk/bandwidth/cpu to some global project like "gitipfs" | Nov 12 13:44 |
zoobab | but I guess that's what filecoin is trying to achieve | Nov 12 13:45 |
schestowitz | zoobab: suggest something better than | Nov 12 13:46 |
schestowitz | *then | Nov 12 13:46 |
schestowitz | making mirrors has long been a deterrent | Nov 12 13:46 |
schestowitz | when EPO came assaulting me repeatedly you mirrored the site on github | Nov 12 13:47 |
zoobab | ftp to start with, rsync | Nov 12 13:47 |
schestowitz | iirc, by scraping all europe/patent category pages | Nov 12 13:47 |
schestowitz | to the point it felt like a ddos attack :-) :D | Nov 12 13:47 |
schestowitz | (I know it wasn't intended) | Nov 12 13:47 |
schestowitz | zoobab: that too is easy and possible | Nov 12 13:47 |
schestowitz | we always suggested that | Nov 12 13:47 |
schestowitz | as files | Nov 12 13:47 |
schestowitz | and can set up ftp daemon, I did that at work recently | Nov 12 13:48 |
schestowitz | a bit like modern bbs | Nov 12 13:48 |
schestowitz | we can even reuse the existing filestore from ipfs | Nov 12 13:48 |
schestowitz | the key is, putting all the files in one place, hashing them | Nov 12 13:48 |
zoobab | is it easy to do a mirror via ipfs? | Nov 12 13:48 |
oiaohm | zoobab: filecoin the back end of that is IPFS. | Nov 12 13:48 |
schestowitz | and advertising the access points | Nov 12 13:48 |
schestowitz | the mirroring of what you put up there is done in the background | Nov 12 13:48 |
oiaohm | There are ways to make mirror with IPFS just how is not well documented. | Nov 12 13:49 |
schestowitz | Bandwidth | Nov 12 13:49 |
schestowitz | TotalIn: 7.4 GB | Nov 12 13:49 |
schestowitz | TotalOut: 3.0 GB | Nov 12 13:49 |
schestowitz | that was advertised on Saturday | Nov 12 13:49 |
schestowitz | and only November archieve | Nov 12 13:49 |
schestowitz | but on the ipfs network it's already spreading | Nov 12 13:49 |
vZS1_2 | I'm at 3.6 GB out | Nov 12 13:50 |
vZS1_2 | Definitely seeing consumption | Nov 12 13:50 |
vZS1_2 | TR is the only thing pinned on my node | Nov 12 13:50 |
schestowitz | x https://www.theverge.com/2020/11/11/21559515/apple-silicon-arm-computer-m1-chip-transition-microsoft-surface-rt | Nov 12 13:50 |
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.theverge.com | Thereโs a question mark hanging over Appleโs Arm Macs - The Verge | Nov 12 13:50 | |
schestowitz | garbage journalism | Nov 12 13:50 |
schestowitz | sponsored by Microsoft/Gates | Nov 12 13:50 |
schestowitz | vZS1_2: will do articles soon | Nov 12 13:51 |
schestowitz | will post daily links, then need to go out get food | Nov 12 13:51 |
schestowitz | been 8 days since last time | Nov 12 13:51 |
schestowitz | later will publish epo leaks again | Nov 12 13:51 |
oiaohm | Lot of people miss that Apple was one of the founding members that started power pc chips. | Nov 12 13:51 |
schestowitz | ibm | Nov 12 13:52 |
schestowitz | for apple | Nov 12 13:52 |
schestowitz | iirc | Nov 12 13:52 |
schestowitz | (not just for apple) | Nov 12 13:52 |
schestowitz | zoobab: we're quadrupling the number of cpu cores now | Nov 12 13:52 |
oiaohm | I said one of founding members because it was not just apple. | Nov 12 13:52 |
schestowitz | Ariadne allocated to us 32 core out of her 128 | Nov 12 13:52 |
oiaohm | Also M1 chips is not 100 percent just apple either they are taking tech from arm and other places. | Nov 12 13:53 |
schestowitz | so ddos might hopefully be a thing of the past | Nov 12 13:53 |
oiaohm | Apple going their own unique chip is not exactly new. | Nov 12 13:53 |
schestowitz | exactly | Nov 12 13:53 |
schestowitz | it's hype | Nov 12 13:53 |
schestowitz | they call it | Nov 12 13:53 |
schestowitz | "apple silicon" | Nov 12 13:53 |
schestowitz | all about branding | Nov 12 13:53 |
schestowitz | call it iSilicon | Nov 12 13:53 |
schestowitz | 'i' is also a brand | Nov 12 13:53 |
schestowitz | they enforced it | Nov 12 13:53 |
schestowitz | against things called 'i' something | Nov 12 13:54 |
schestowitz | even if those predates apple's use of the letter | Nov 12 13:54 |
oiaohm | iSilicon was off the cards as that could be intel silicon welcome trademark arguement. | Nov 12 13:54 |
schestowitz | true | Nov 12 13:54 |
schestowitz | or 0 and 1 | Nov 12 13:54 |
schestowitz | intel wanted that too | Nov 12 13:54 |
schestowitz | and x86 | Nov 12 13:54 |
schestowitz | or just 86 something | Nov 12 13:54 |
schestowitz | didn't get it | Nov 12 13:54 |
schestowitz | 'owning' numbers | Nov 12 13:55 |
schestowitz | iirc, intel owns 01 dot com | Nov 12 13:57 |
schestowitz | I could check quickly | Nov 12 13:57 |
schestowitz | so why not 'own' the letter 'i' also? | Nov 12 13:57 |
schestowitz | sue all those tourism spots with 'i' counters in them (information) | Nov 12 13:57 |
schestowitz | "I own all the I" | Nov 12 13:57 |
MinceR | https://hugelolcdn.com/i/699634.jpg | Nov 12 13:58 |
oiaohm | schestowitz: https://www.intel.com/content/www/us/en/trademarks/intel-softsilicon.html Sorry iSillicon would get into argument with Intel Softsilicon for possible being too close. | Nov 12 13:59 |
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.intel.com | Usage Guidelines for Customers, Licensees, and Other Third Parties | Nov 12 13:59 | |
oiaohm | Apple Silicon is legally safe bet. | Nov 12 13:59 |
oiaohm | Partially when the deal is kind of cutting intel out of business. | Nov 12 14:00 |
MinceR | silly cone | Nov 12 14:00 |
vZS1_2 | I have a lot of silly cones | Nov 12 14:01 |
vZS1_2 | They hold ice cream, a lot of them. | Nov 12 14:01 |
oiaohm | Softsilicon is a Intel sub company that does consultancy that if you don't look closely does not appear to be Intel. So that one is a silly con. Nice way to make sure intel parts get recommended with kickback. | Nov 12 14:04 |
MinceR | :> | Nov 12 14:04 |
schestowitz | intel bribes a lot | Nov 12 14:08 |
schestowitz | that's actually why I got so upset about them in the first place | Nov 12 14:08 |
schestowitz | and there's no evidence that stopped, they still do it | Nov 12 14:08 |
oiaohm | Special deals as well. | Nov 12 14:09 |
schestowitz | amd is getting too big again, as well, doing some of the same "bads" (like PSP to ME) | Nov 12 14:09 |
MinceR | https://i.imgur.com/K0igQqt.jpeg | Nov 12 14:09 |
vZS1_2 | I remember all the anti-AMD propaganda from Intel, back in the day. Gamers were a big target for the Intel i{3..5} line. | Nov 12 14:09 |
schestowitz | so it's like Apple vs Microsoft | Nov 12 14:09 |
schestowitz | we need risc-v advocated more | Nov 12 14:09 |
vZS1_2 | Don't use AMD processors, they are bad. | Nov 12 14:09 |
schestowitz | not ibm isa openwash | Nov 12 14:09 |
oiaohm | Really current AMD processors are better behaved than Intel ones. | Nov 12 14:09 |
vZS1_2 | ^ That's what intel said | Nov 12 14:10 |
vZS1_2 | about AMD | Nov 12 14:10 |
vZS1_2 | Now AMD are whopping Intel in the market and they don't know what to do | Nov 12 14:10 |
oiaohm | https://github.com/xoreaxeaxeax/sandsifter Was done before stack of exploits appeared for intel. | Nov 12 14:10 |
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-GitHub - xoreaxeaxeax/sandsifter: The x86 processor fuzzer | Nov 12 14:10 | |
vZS1_2 | All you would hear last year and year before that was Ryzen shilling | Nov 12 14:10 |
oiaohm | And shows Intel processors not doing a lot of stuff to specificaiton. | Nov 12 14:11 |
oiaohm | When third parties went and check the ISA conformance basically. | Nov 12 14:11 |
vZS1_2 | Waiting for the IC home fabricators. | Nov 12 14:11 |
vZS1_2 | Those underpaid and overworked university students better get to work fast | Nov 12 14:11 |
oiaohm | Hopefully next generation of Intel chips get better behaving. | Nov 12 14:11 |
vZS1_2 | Computing will never be free until ICs can be fabricated at home | Nov 12 14:12 |
MinceR | hopefully intel dies and is replaced by a less fraudulent corporation | Nov 12 14:12 |
oiaohm | sandsifter showed a few interesting reasons why some games would work on Intel and not on AMD was usage of non conforming instructions in the ISA. | Nov 12 14:13 |
oiaohm | There are also a few interesting non conforming instructions that can show you are inside qemu doing the instructions to specification yet on real AMD and Intel different code path runs as well. | Nov 12 14:13 |
vZS1_2 | Who knows, maybe in the next 20 years we will get home IC fabricators. 20 years ago, nobody would have predicted how successful home 3D-priting would become. | Nov 12 14:14 |
vZS1_2 | They'd think you were delusional | Nov 12 14:14 |
oiaohm | I would say IC fabricators of current silicon would be unlikely in the home. | Nov 12 14:15 |
oiaohm | the toxic waste making silicon makes is horrible bad. | Nov 12 14:15 |
MinceR | not as bad as government hardware backdoors | Nov 12 14:15 |
oiaohm | Graphite based chips the polution from them might not be too bad. | Nov 12 14:15 |
MinceR | or as intel helping lock hardware into microshit and crApple OS-es | Nov 12 14:15 |
oiaohm | We have to change from silicon based substrate to graphite based substrate at some point. | Nov 12 14:16 |
MinceR | of course, we would have more sources for processors of a given ISA if there was no government to enforce Imaginary Property | Nov 12 14:16 |
-viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: โHomeworldโ will be the default theme for #Debian 11 โข ๐๐ฆ๐ฉ ๐๐๐๐๐๐๐๐ค โ http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/144295 [https://pleroma.site/objects/fe34b0f0-8288-42d4-886b-d53b293ad3e7] | Nov 12 14:16 | |
oiaohm | because we will hit how small of transistors we can make on silicon. | Nov 12 14:16 |
-viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: This Is the Default Theme of #Debian GNU/Linux 11 โBullseyeโ โข ๐๐ฆ๐ฉ ๐๐๐๐๐๐๐๐ค โ http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/144296 [https://pleroma.site/objects/54a8caad-3ca1-4e19-b7a2-31f124739718] | Nov 12 14:17 | |
vZS1_2 | Governments don't want citizens to be empowered | Nov 12 14:18 |
schestowitz | not true | Nov 12 14:18 |
schestowitz | they do | Nov 12 14:18 |
schestowitz | in other countries | Nov 12 14:18 |
schestowitz | esp. countries that are not ally | Nov 12 14:18 |
MinceR | which ones? | Nov 12 14:18 |
schestowitz | where they want the "regimes" overthrown | Nov 12 14:19 |
schestowitz | then they're all for "people power" and Democracy(TM) | Nov 12 14:19 |
schestowitz | I would not be shocked is Tor is well compromised already | Nov 12 14:19 |
schestowitz | so that it gives real privacy to all but 5-EYES | Nov 12 14:19 |
schestowitz | this way they can empower dissidents in Iran, Russia, China... | Nov 12 14:19 |
schestowitz | and domestically they can still crack their way into the behaviour and comms of locals | Nov 12 14:20 |
vZS1_2 | I always saw Tor as an experiment. And now it's out of the hands of ordinary people. | Nov 12 14:20 |
schestowitz | coordination by domination of structures | Nov 12 14:20 |
schestowitz | Microsoft does this also | Nov 12 14:20 |
schestowitz | we even know this based on some leaks | Nov 12 14:20 |
schestowitz | like their spying on emails | Nov 12 14:20 |
oiaohm | Opps its https://www.transparencymarketresearch.com/diamond-semiconductor-substrates-market.html artificial diamond substrates. Improved cooling over a silicon substrates. | Nov 12 14:21 |
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.transparencymarketresearch.com | Diamond Semiconductor Substrates Market - Global Industry Analysis, Growth, Trends, Forecast 2024 | Nov 12 14:21 | |
oiaohm | Yes the process to make diamond substrates in theory could be made at home without any toxic chemicals. | Nov 12 14:22 |
vZS1_2 | What a lot of newcomers to computing fail to realise is that things like GNU all boil down to one thing. Empowerment of the individual and maintanance of their freedoms. | Nov 12 14:22 |
oiaohm | Silicon substrates bugger to make for toxic chemical bugger to prep due to toxic chemicals. | Nov 12 14:22 |
oiaohm | also 20 year delay on patents. I would not expect diamond substrates to come possible in home before 2050. | Nov 12 14:24 |
vZS1_2 | And now FSF just put out puff pieces every now and then and claim all the credit for GNU. It makes me sick. | Nov 12 14:24 |
MinceR | and promotes systemd | Nov 12 14:24 |
vZS1_2 | That too | Nov 12 14:24 |
oiaohm | Now with the patents running out on silicon making techs we should see collages and other places with means to handle toxic chemicals more often having their own IC fab. | Nov 12 14:25 |
oiaohm | So not at home but still way more accessable. | Nov 12 14:25 |
oiaohm | Tor history is comes out of "United States Naval Research Laboratory" Yes the USA military wants means to communicate hidden. Then you have the CIA and NSA wanting to see though that. | Nov 12 14:29 |
oiaohm | Real case of left and right hands of the USA government not agreeing is Tor and counter to Tor. | Nov 12 14:30 |
vZS1_2 | Not everyone in the military is evil | Nov 12 14:30 |
MinceR | (audio:important) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uXom0OP3Rwk | Nov 12 14:30 |
vZS1_2 | The US Navy has had many fine human beings in it | Nov 12 14:30 |
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oiaohm | Tor was not experiment it was USA Navy making something they needed. | Nov 12 14:32 |
oiaohm | Of course getting it peer reviewed when it could be life or death is kind of important. | Nov 12 14:32 |
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vZS1_2 | Anyone that thinks they have real anonymity on the internet is sorely mistake | Nov 12 14:34 |
vZS1_2 | mistaken | Nov 12 14:34 |
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vZS1_2 | Guaranteed anonymity is still an open problem. | Nov 12 14:37 |
vZS1_2 | If such a thing can ever be achieved | Nov 12 14:37 |
vZS1_2 | What we have now is degrees of privacy | Nov 12 14:37 |
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schestowitz | yes, never trust people who promise BS | Nov 12 14:48 |
schestowitz | I don't promise that | Nov 12 14:48 |
schestowitz | you don't either | Nov 12 14:48 |
schestowitz | but can increase the likelihood by reducing the ease at which people can be unmasked | Nov 12 14:49 |
schestowitz | open wifi isn't too bad for anonymity when dealing with non-gov | Nov 12 14:49 |
schestowitz | e.g. company leaks | Nov 12 14:49 |
schestowitz | but it logs MAC addresses afaik | Nov 12 14:49 |
schestowitz | so better to borrow a device | Nov 12 14:49 |
schestowitz | burner phones used to be a thing | Nov 12 14:49 |
schestowitz | so then you have public terminals | Nov 12 14:49 |
schestowitz | or trains where you pay with cash | Nov 12 14:50 |
schestowitz | it makes it very expensive to unmask, at least with certainty | Nov 12 14:50 |
schestowitz | onions like tor obfuscate by layers | Nov 12 14:51 |
schestowitz | it makes it expensive to chase down people down the layers | Nov 12 14:51 |
schestowitz | sometimes so expensive that you need to go abroad with warrants | Nov 12 14:52 |
schestowitz | but many use tor on compromised systems | Nov 12 14:52 |
schestowitz | not tails or similar | Nov 12 14:52 |
schestowitz | assuming tails is safe | Nov 12 14:52 |
schestowitz | iirc, heads is like tails but without systemd | Nov 12 14:52 |
vZS1_2 | imo, people should base these tools on OpenBSD and not Linux | Nov 12 14:53 |
schestowitz | qubesOS us fedora | Nov 12 14:53 |
vZS1_2 | OpenBSD is 100% binary blobs in their system | Nov 12 14:53 |
schestowitz | ie.g. red hat | Nov 12 14:53 |
schestowitz | i.e. ibm | Nov 12 14:53 |
vZS1_2 | 100% against* | Nov 12 14:53 |
schestowitz | for some reason I think they USED to be bsd-based | Nov 12 14:53 |
vZS1_2 | Speaking of OpenBSD, I'm planning to migrate my Pi to that btw. | Nov 12 14:54 |
schestowitz | openbsd used to work with US gov. | Nov 12 14:54 |
schestowitz | iirc de raadt lives in canada but comes from south africa | Nov 12 14:54 |
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schestowitz | so the same ring of surveillance | Nov 12 14:54 |
schestowitz | anglo-saxon-franco | Nov 12 14:54 |
vZS1_2 | It's more because it's easier to keep track of things because OpenBSD is a lot smaller than Linux | Nov 12 14:54 |
schestowitz | his name sounds dutch... many of them in SA | Nov 12 14:54 |
schestowitz | and he condemned the Bush wars | Nov 12 14:54 |
MinceR | (cat) https://img.pr0gramm.com/2020/09/15/e47999102007861f.jpg | Nov 12 14:54 |
schestowitz | then lost the DARPA (IIRC) funds | Nov 12 14:54 |
MinceR | 12 155417 < schestowitz> iirc de raadt lives in canada but comes from south africa | Nov 12 14:55 |
MinceR | ah, so he's afro-american | Nov 12 14:55 |
vZS1_2 | All my Pi does is Git and IPFS. OpenBSD can handle that easily. | Nov 12 14:56 |
schestowitz | MinceR: like pedo guy musked | Nov 12 15:01 |
MinceR | :> | Nov 12 15:01 |
schestowitz | vZS1_2: but that's not where your crown jewels are | Nov 12 15:02 |
schestowitz | trying using THAT as your main workstation | Nov 12 15:02 |
schestowitz | for those who need thunderbird and falkon and stuff openbsd would be hard | Nov 12 15:02 |
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vZS1_2 | It's not for others though. This is just my own Pi. | Nov 12 15:08 |
vZS1_2 | The Git + IPFS setup I have works on any OS. That's not the issue. | Nov 12 15:09 |
vZS1_2 | I just want something where I can see what's going on easier. Linux has a lot of cruft I don't need. | Nov 12 15:09 |
vZS1_2 | Like if I want to do process and packet analysis, Linux just gets in the way. | Nov 12 15:10 |
vZS1_2 | On a fresh OpenBSD install, you barely have 25 processes running. | Nov 12 15:10 |
MinceR | "linux" is fixing that -- soon you will have 1 process running :> | Nov 12 15:11 |
vZS1_2 | Yes, yes GNU/Linux. | Nov 12 15:11 |
vZS1_2 | GNU/Poettering/Linux. | Nov 12 15:12 |
vZS1_2 | Happy now? | Nov 12 15:12 |
vZS1_2 | I was considering FreeBSD (I have more experience with that) but even FreeBSD is suffering with bloat, lately. | Nov 12 15:13 |
schestowitz | killall system1 | Nov 12 15:13 |
schestowitz | SHUTTING DOWN SYSTEM in 10 sec... | Nov 12 15:13 |
MinceR | a stop job is running | Nov 12 15:14 |
MinceR | a run job is stopping | Nov 12 15:14 |
MinceR | a stop run is jobbing | Nov 12 15:14 |
vZS1_2 | [NOTOK] | Nov 12 15:14 |
schestowitz | a job is on the run | Nov 12 15:14 |
schestowitz | service stevejobs stop | Nov 12 15:14 |
MinceR | :) | Nov 12 15:15 |
schestowitz | error: process already killed | Nov 12 15:15 |
schestowitz | zombies cannot be killed, try "service resurrect" first | Nov 12 15:15 |
vZS1_2 | Beat me to the zombie joke | Nov 12 15:15 |
MinceR | :~# reboot | Nov 12 15:16 |
MinceR | Write failed: Broken pipe | Nov 12 15:16 |
schestowitz | man resurrect | Nov 12 15:16 |
schestowitz | no man found | Nov 12 15:16 |
vZS1_2 | # systemctl reboot | Nov 12 15:16 |
vZS1_2 | # systemctl poweroff | Nov 12 15:16 |
vZS1_2 | That's the systemd way! | Nov 12 15:16 |
schestowitz | too many things to memorise | Nov 12 15:17 |
vZS1_2 | Brought to you by GNU/Lennart | Nov 12 15:17 |
schestowitz | many syntax types | Nov 12 15:17 |
schestowitz | systemd also alters the order of arguments/commands | Nov 12 15:17 |
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schestowitz | command first, then service | Nov 12 15:18 |
vZS1_2 | Nice thing about rc is that you get deterministic order of rc scripts. | Nov 12 15:18 |
vZS1_2 | Nobody knows everything systemd is up to because a lot of things happen on the fly, dynamically. | Nov 12 15:19 |
MinceR | https://www.smbc-comics.com/comic/in-the-loop | Nov 12 15:19 |
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.smbc-comics.com | Saturday Morning Breakfast Cereal - In the Loop | Nov 12 15:19 | |
vZS1_2 | I've been trying out mg instead of Emacs on the Pi. Let's see how this goes. | Nov 12 15:31 |
schestowitz | http://techrights.org/2020/11/12/2001-rms-opens-up/ | Nov 12 15:38 |
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Just-Released Footage of Dr. Richard Stallman (RMS): Open Source People โTreated Me Like Shitโ | Techrights | Nov 12 15:38 | |
schestowitz | help me spot typos | Nov 12 15:38 |
schestowitz | I have not proofread it yet | Nov 12 15:38 |
schestowitz | also, check if audio work | Nov 12 15:38 |
schestowitz | some browsers struggle | Nov 12 15:38 |
vZS1_2 | Works fine on Firefox | Nov 12 15:44 |
schestowitz | "This Richard Stallman video from 2001 was released earlier this week; in it, Stallman explains what the Open Source 'movement' did to him just a few years earlier (and then there's some more stuff like his speech about DMCA and less related stuff in between because it's raw and uncut)" | Nov 12 15:45 |
schestowitz | vZS1_2: try falkin | Nov 12 15:45 |
schestowitz | falkon or similar | Nov 12 15:45 |
schestowitz | doesn't play for me | Nov 12 15:45 |
schestowitz | Marcia said she had the same issue | Nov 12 15:45 |
vZS1_2 | Don't have those installed | Nov 12 15:45 |
vZS1_2 | Programming atm so I just have this video running in the background | Nov 12 15:45 |
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schestowitz | vZS1_2: anyway, both of us got it working in firefox | Nov 12 15:47 |
schestowitz | i don't want to install chro* anything to test | Nov 12 15:47 |
schestowitz | let me try wife's laptop | Nov 12 15:47 |
schestowitz | hmmm | Nov 12 15:50 |
schestowitz | chrome on her laptop (she uses firefox actually) doesn't play the sound | Nov 12 15:50 |
schestowitz | but does for this one | Nov 12 15:51 |
schestowitz | http://techrights.org/2020/11/11/rms-on-open-source/ | Nov 12 15:51 |
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schestowitz | looks identical in the hypermark sense | Nov 12 15:52 |
schestowitz | so it must be something in the file's meta itself | Nov 12 15:52 |
schestowitz | works fine in standalone media players | Nov 12 15:55 |
schestowitz | ok, I give up | Nov 12 15:55 |
schestowitz | maybe re-encoding the whole file would be needed | Nov 12 15:55 |
schestowitz | to overcome this and appease google-based 'browsers' | Nov 12 15:55 |
CrystalMath | https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o9829am7inE | Nov 12 15:55 |
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schestowitz | vZS1_2: https://www.techdirt.com/articles/20201106/03572745657/surprise-latest-draft-eus-next-big-privacy-law-includes-some-improvements.shtml | Nov 12 15:56 |
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Surprise: Latest Draft Of The EU's Next Big Privacy Law Includes Some Improvements | Techdirt | Nov 12 15:56 | |
vZS1_2 | Looks about right | Nov 12 15:58 |
MinceR | https://www.smbc-comics.com/comic/sodomy-2 | Nov 12 15:58 |
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.smbc-comics.com | Saturday Morning Breakfast Cereal - Sodomy | Nov 12 15:58 | |
CrystalMath | hmm, the EU did another surprisingly useful move | Nov 12 16:00 |
MinceR | did they start EU2, without the vulnerabilities of the old, joined it and left the old one? | Nov 12 16:01 |
MinceR | https://gemini.circumlunar.space/ | Nov 12 16:04 |
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-gemini.circumlunar.space | Project Gemini | Nov 12 16:04 | |
schestowitz | zoobab: how's that "early November" coming along? | Nov 12 16:09 |
schestowitz | For Team UPC? | Nov 12 16:09 |
schestowitz | Nov. 15th soon | Nov 12 16:09 |
schestowitz | we'll have fun writing about that, won't we? | Nov 12 16:09 |
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schestowitz | It's always "Real Soon!" and "Coming Shortly..." | Nov 12 16:10 |
vZS1_2 | IPFS for TR | Nov 12 16:11 |
vZS1_2 | Already here | Nov 12 16:11 |
vZS1_2 | So sit on that | Nov 12 16:11 |
vZS1_2 | Re: that RMS video where he talks about Ebooks. DRM-free ebooks do exist now. So all is not lost. | Nov 12 16:12 |
vZS1_2 | TeX is to credit for a big part of that. | Nov 12 16:13 |
vZS1_2 | That was a good video. Glad I listened to it. So much more than just "Open Source people treat me like shit". | Nov 12 16:17 |
vZS1_2 | Still think Free Software is a bad name though. Freedom Respecting Software is much better. | Nov 12 16:24 |
vZS1_2 | Maybe I'll roll a new license with that name | Nov 12 16:24 |
vZS1_2 | The FRS license. | Nov 12 16:25 |
schestowitz | it is | Nov 12 16:25 |
schestowitz | but the name isn't the point | Nov 12 16:25 |
schestowitz | as they're nitpick other things | Nov 12 16:25 |
schestowitz | vZS1_2: see this list techrights.org/2020/09/06/excuses-and-distractions/ | Nov 12 16:25 |
vZS1_2 | It's still a huge deal. The name matters to ordinary people. | Nov 12 16:26 |
schestowitz | http://techrights.org/2020/09/06/excuses-and-distractions/ | Nov 12 16:26 |
schestowitz | stupid firefox | Nov 12 16:26 |
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vZS1_2 | And how ordinary people percieve the issues | Nov 12 16:26 |
schestowitz | still has many of my bookmarks, so I need to have it open alongside falkon | Nov 12 16:26 |
schestowitz | vZS1_2: they'd find other attack vectors | Nov 12 16:26 |
vZS1_2 | Can't you migrate your booksmarks? I swear it's all JSON standard now | Nov 12 16:26 |
vZS1_2 | It's still a good start. | Nov 12 16:26 |
schestowitz | people used to attack us for the name "Boycott Novell" | Nov 12 16:26 |
schestowitz | we're still also BoycottNovell.com | Nov 12 16:27 |
vZS1_2 | Organisation X attacks Freedom Respecting Software. That sounds like a great headline. To make enemies. | Nov 12 16:27 |
schestowitz | as if to boycott immoral companies discredits oneself | Nov 12 16:27 |
schestowitz | Freedom means nothing now | Nov 12 16:27 |
schestowitz | libertarians and Trumpsters hijacked the word | Nov 12 16:27 |
vZS1_2 | Still think this is an important issue. | Nov 12 16:28 |
schestowitz | and the media paints terrorists as "Freedom-fighters" like people who are "covid-denying" and won't weak masks | Nov 12 16:28 |
schestowitz | they say we invade countries for "freedom" | Nov 12 16:28 |
vZS1_2 | Murica. Spreading freedom. | Nov 12 16:28 |
schestowitz | You can still write "Organisation X attacks Freedom-Respecting Software." | Nov 12 16:28 |
schestowitz | The BBC would not | Nov 12 16:29 |
schestowitz | it would paint them as Epstein sympathisers or whatnot | Nov 12 16:29 |
schestowitz | http://techrights.org/2020/09/10/sjvn-senior-moment/ | Nov 12 16:29 |
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schestowitz | you cannot control media owned by the super-rich | Nov 12 16:30 |
schestowitz | you might think you can | Nov 12 16:30 |
schestowitz | they can fabricate and defame | Nov 12 16:30 |
schestowitz | and they get away with it | Nov 12 16:30 |
vZS1_2 | Nobody is saying we should control their media. What's important is people have access to other media. | Nov 12 16:31 |
schestowitz | then they defame that other media | Nov 12 16:31 |
vZS1_2 | Let them. People will still use it. | Nov 12 16:31 |
schestowitz | in troll farms like reddit | Nov 12 16:31 |
schestowitz | constant ad hominem there | Nov 12 16:32 |
schestowitz | http://techrights.org/2020/09/06/excuses-and-distractions/ | Nov 12 16:32 |
vZS1_2 | Case in point: Bittorrent. | Nov 12 16:32 |
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vZS1_2 | There were repeated attacks against Bittorrent. It is still alive and well. | Nov 12 16:32 |
vZS1_2 | There still are repeated attacks against it. But it's not going anywhere anytime soon. | Nov 12 16:32 |
vZS1_2 | Because users realise the attacks are all BS | Nov 12 16:33 |
schestowitz | some realise | Nov 12 16:33 |
schestowitz | some do not | Nov 12 16:33 |
schestowitz | one person here still thinks Trump and UNABOMBER are OK people | Nov 12 16:34 |
vZS1_2 | We can't change that. | Nov 12 16:34 |
vZS1_2 | Let them think what they want to think. | Nov 12 16:34 |
Ariadne | software freedom is important, but other freedom is also important, such as the freedom to choose what stuffed animal friends you want on your bed for sleeping purposes | Nov 12 16:36 |
vZS1_2 | https://expandedramblings.com/index.php/bittorrent-statistics-facts/ | Nov 12 16:37 |
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-expandedramblings.com | โข BitTorrent Statistics and Facts (2020) | By the Numbers | Nov 12 16:37 | |
vZS1_2 | Shoddy sources but that's not an insignificant userbase. | Nov 12 16:38 |
vZS1_2 | Freedom-respecting software is not contradictory to "the freedom to choose what stuffed animal friends you want on your bed for sleeping purposes". So I don't see the point. | Nov 12 16:39 |
vZS1_2 | And yes "the freedom to choose what stuffed animal friends you want on your bed for sleeping purposes" is important. Never said it isn't. | Nov 12 16:40 |
vZS1_2 | With the fragmentation of media content providers, I only see Bittorrent usage going up rapidly. | Nov 12 16:43 |
vZS1_2 | Ordinary people can't afford hundreds of dollars worth of media content providers, especially in developing countries. | Nov 12 16:43 |
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vZS1_2 | HBO, Prime Video, Netflix, etc etc | Nov 12 16:44 |
Ariadne | lol that was just a shitpost, chill | Nov 12 16:44 |
vZS1_2 | The list keeps growing, every year. | Nov 12 16:44 |
vZS1_2 | Realised that a bit late. | Nov 12 16:45 |
vZS1_2 | DRM is probably a big reason why Bittorrent ever took off the ground. | Nov 12 16:46 |
vZS1_2 | Not for it's technical merits. | Nov 12 16:46 |
vZS1_2 | its* | Nov 12 16:46 |
schestowitz | convenience | Nov 12 16:47 |
schestowitz | accessibility | Nov 12 16:47 |
schestowitz | searching | Nov 12 16:47 |
schestowitz | sharing | Nov 12 16:47 |
schestowitz | drm prevents sharing with loved one | Nov 12 16:47 |
schestowitz | it's a crippled and more expensive version | Nov 12 16:47 |
schestowitz | so worse/st of both worlds | Nov 12 16:47 |
vZS1_2 | That's why I'm not too worried about IPFS. Eventually even ordinary people will see its merits, specialised clients will emerge (they are already emerging). | Nov 12 16:48 |
schestowitz | Ariadne: I'll be around the rest of the day, didn't leave the hosue | Nov 12 16:49 |
vZS1_2 | IPFS CID index sites will become as common and Bittorrent torrent file and magnet link index sites. | Nov 12 16:49 |
schestowitz | the lawyers worry about it | Nov 12 16:49 |
schestowitz | they call it "blockchain" | Nov 12 16:49 |
schestowitz | collectively | Nov 12 16:49 |
schestowitz | they use buzzwords their brain cannot grasp | Nov 12 16:49 |
schestowitz | and then they talk of "AYE PEE" | Nov 12 16:49 |
schestowitz | and how blockchain affects "AYE PEE" | Nov 12 16:50 |
schestowitz | like, they cannot do site takedown with "AYE PEE" demand letters | Nov 12 16:50 |
schestowitz | and that worries their "clients" | Nov 12 16:50 |
MinceR | it hurts when IP | Nov 12 16:50 |
vZS1_2 | lmao | Nov 12 16:50 |
schestowitz | like rich studios | Nov 12 16:50 |
schestowitz | which make "content" with "protection" | Nov 12 16:50 |
schestowitz | (DRM) | Nov 12 16:50 |
schestowitz | MinceR: it hurts, that why they shout "Hey AYE!" | Nov 12 16:51 |
schestowitz | The AIs are taking all our IPs!! | Nov 12 16:51 |
MinceR | I.P. Freeley | Nov 12 16:52 |
vZS1_2 | schestowitz: I'll try this script I cobbled together, the next time you push a new IPFS index update. If it works, I'll set it up as a cron job. I've already got that hook I showed you earlier installed, so that is a part of this. | Nov 12 17:03 |
vZS1_2 | https://pastebin.com/yXQjy2Fz | Nov 12 17:03 |
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schestowitz | vZS1_2: question | Nov 12 17:06 |
schestowitz | do you want to help script something to upload past irc logs too? | Nov 12 17:06 |
schestowitz | those are easy to do | Nov 12 17:06 |
schestowitz | I can help with pointers | Nov 12 17:06 |
schestowitz | we have 12+ years of IRC logs | Nov 12 17:07 |
vZS1_2 | When I have the time, sure. | Nov 12 17:07 |
schestowitz | we can process a year's worth | Nov 12 17:07 |
schestowitz | 365x4 | Nov 12 17:07 |
schestowitz | maybe 60mb total | Nov 12 17:07 |
schestowitz | uncompressed | Nov 12 17:07 |
schestowitz | it should also be possible to retroactively generate text versions for all prior days | Nov 12 17:09 |
schestowitz | I can think of a simple implementation | Nov 12 17:09 |
Ariadne | i think we are at least another decade away from actual AI | Nov 12 17:10 |
schestowitz | loop through each day, get index in wordpress, get list of urls, then cycle one at a time, add to daily text file | Nov 12 17:10 |
schestowitz | Ariadne: hey hi, 2030! | Nov 12 17:11 |
schestowitz | show me to yoooor liddder | Nov 12 17:11 |
schestowitz | (I usually say "hey hi" like those hollywood robots with the funny voice) | Nov 12 17:11 |
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Ariadne | schestowitz: i also think actual AI is not really something humans should pursue | Nov 12 17:14 |
Ariadne | of course, the tech companies will anyway | Nov 12 17:14 |
schestowitz | automation I guess | Nov 12 17:14 |
schestowitz | "hey hi" is way too vague | Nov 12 17:14 |
vZS1_2 | Once I'm done automating index consumption and mirroring, I'll automate the whole IPFS setup as well. That way people can just set up a mirror on any *nix OS. | Nov 12 17:14 |
schestowitz | remember those chess-gaming engines | Nov 12 17:14 |
schestowitz | back in what... the 60s? | Nov 12 17:14 |
Ariadne | and when Amazon(r) Alexa(tm) becomes self-aware and hacks the nuclear codes and becomes Skynet and kills us all, welp, i'll have told them so | Nov 12 17:15 |
schestowitz | maybe even crude ones in the 50s | Nov 12 17:15 |
vZS1_2 | Reproducibility is important, that's why I'm automating everytihng from the start. | Nov 12 17:15 |
schestowitz | most of today's "hey hi" is already miles ahead of the average trump supporter | Nov 12 17:15 |
Ariadne | yes, but it's not hard AI | Nov 12 17:15 |
Ariadne | its largely decision trees and pattern matching | Nov 12 17:15 |
schestowitz | Ariadne: not sure about the objective value of >old< archives | Nov 12 17:15 |
schestowitz | given that ipfs discoverability seems not to exist, like search | Nov 12 17:16 |
schestowitz | Ariadne: many machine learning algos are that | Nov 12 17:16 |
schestowitz | neural networks, support vectors.. | Nov 12 17:16 |
Ariadne | anyway, once quantum computing becomes economically feasible, hard AI is only one of several problems we will have | Nov 12 17:16 |
schestowitz | they're just of a larger scale and more sophisticated with broader parameterisation space | Nov 12 17:16 |
schestowitz | more space/memory/cpu | Nov 12 17:17 |
schestowitz | and the "clown" | Nov 12 17:17 |
Ariadne | crypto as we know it being completely useless is another problem we will have | Nov 12 17:17 |
schestowitz | the problem is ethics | Nov 12 17:17 |
schestowitz | not "hey hi" per se | Nov 12 17:17 |
schestowitz | you can make a drone kill people with dump operators, so-called pilots' | Nov 12 17:17 |
schestowitz | and they'd just do it | Nov 12 17:17 |
schestowitz | I was online friend with the biggest drone killer | Nov 12 17:18 |
CrystalMath | Ariadne: there is quantum safe cryptography | Nov 12 17:18 |
schestowitz | after he had become a whisleblower | Nov 12 17:18 |
schestowitz | bryant | Nov 12 17:18 |
Ariadne | CrystalMath: yes, but | Nov 12 17:18 |
schestowitz | he killed over 1600 with his drones | Nov 12 17:18 |
CrystalMath | Ariadne: i think it should already be deployed tbh; i have doubts that RSA is uncrackable even by traditional means | Nov 12 17:18 |
Ariadne | CrystalMath: will it be deployed in time? :) | Nov 12 17:18 |
CrystalMath | implementations of quantum safe crypto already exist | Nov 12 17:18 |
Ariadne | yes | Nov 12 17:18 |
Ariadne | i know | Nov 12 17:18 |
Ariadne | however, we are not using them | Nov 12 17:19 |
CrystalMath | but yes it's not in GPG | Nov 12 17:19 |
CrystalMath | which sucks | Nov 12 17:19 |
CrystalMath | i heard that Jacob Appelbaum is working on this | Nov 12 17:19 |
schestowitz | has he published papers from Eidenhoven? | Nov 12 17:20 |
schestowitz | (Spelling) | Nov 12 17:20 |
vZS1_2 | Nothing in GPG, when used properly, can be brute forced by a computer based on quantum phsysics. | Nov 12 17:20 |
vZS1_2 | Take your BS somewhere else | Nov 12 17:21 |
vZS1_2 | And show a published paper that demonstrates the case, reproducibly. | Nov 12 17:21 |
schestowitz | corporate media keeps using these terms | Nov 12 17:21 |
schestowitz | like people use tesla's name | Nov 12 17:22 |
vZS1_2 | Oh. This guy is someone I ignored on my phone. Can see the reason now. | Nov 12 17:22 |
Ariadne | i don't know either way about GPG using QC-safe algorithms | Nov 12 17:22 |
Ariadne | i was talking more about shit like banks | Nov 12 17:22 |
Ariadne | which are using state of the 1970s tech | Nov 12 17:22 |
schestowitz | and windows :-) | Nov 12 17:23 |
vZS1_2 | ECDSA in particular, can't be touched by even the quantum computers of today | Nov 12 17:23 |
schestowitz | well, Microsoft was founded 1975 | Nov 12 17:23 |
schestowitz | barely survived until IBM was pressured by bill's mom to give a deal | Nov 12 17:23 |
schestowitz | amid antitrust woes | Nov 12 17:23 |
Ariadne | vZS1_2: yes, ECC is quantum-safe, if you use the right curve | Nov 12 17:23 |
Ariadne | if you use the wrong curve, it is potentially worse than RSA | Nov 12 17:23 |
schestowitz | bad tech started with bad nepotism | Nov 12 17:23 |
Ariadne | hince why people do not trust curve256p1 | Nov 12 17:24 |
schestowitz | kikistocracy in the tech domain | Nov 12 17:24 |
Ariadne | curve25519 is likely QC safe | Nov 12 17:24 |
vZS1_2 | ECDSA with curve 25519 is resistant to computers orders of magnitude "more powerful" than any quantum computer today. | Nov 12 17:24 |
Ariadne | whether RSA is QC safe is unknown | Nov 12 17:24 |
vZS1_2 | Bloody ignorant troll | Nov 12 17:24 |
Ariadne | has not been proven either way | Nov 12 17:24 |
vZS1_2 | RSA is still unbroken | Nov 12 17:25 |
vZS1_2 | No one has demonstrably broken it. Even with quantum computers. | Nov 12 17:25 |
vZS1_2 | 2048 RSA and above | Nov 12 17:25 |
Ariadne | in fairness, the quantum computers we have right now are quite limited | Nov 12 17:25 |
Ariadne | that's why i said likely at least another decade before that pandora's box is opened | Nov 12 17:25 |
Ariadne | but either way, there's a lot of state of the 1970s crypto in use in all sorts of places | Nov 12 17:26 |
vZS1_2 | That's just bad security policy. | Nov 12 17:26 |
Ariadne | credit card processing is still standardized on 3DES | Nov 12 17:26 |
vZS1_2 | You won't see good security practices in consumer products. | Nov 12 17:27 |
vZS1_2 | Very rare | Nov 12 17:27 |
vZS1_2 | Private security is in a much better state. | Nov 12 17:27 |
Ariadne | sure, it is possible for informed people to build their own constructions with superior cryptographic primitives | Nov 12 17:29 |
Ariadne | but those informed people have to interface with the rest of the world to get things done | Nov 12 17:29 |
Ariadne | and if i were to bet, i would bet that NSA et al are working on plans to use their quantum computers to attack things like bitcoin | Nov 12 17:30 |
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Ariadne | the nation state has every reason to do so, really | Nov 12 17:32 |
vZS1_2 | A lot of these systems rely on not being accessible by the rest of the world. Hence "private", in a very literal sense. | Nov 12 17:32 |
vZS1_2 | A 256-bit subkey (curve 25519) in GPG requires somewhere around 2^{128} bit operations to break. That's much more offered than any quantum computer available today. | Nov 12 17:38 |
vZS1_2 | All computation requires a certain amount of heat. It's physically infeasible to do that many bit operations on even a quantum computer. | Nov 12 17:40 |
vZS1_2 | The sun will expand and consume the earth before that many bit operations are done. | Nov 12 17:40 |
vZS1_2 | ^ On a quantum computer | Nov 12 17:41 |
CrystalMath | vZS1_2: that is true, but what if there actually is an algorithm for fast factoring that we just don't know about? | Nov 12 17:42 |
CrystalMath | it's proven to be NP-complete, but that's not enough | Nov 12 17:42 |
CrystalMath | after all, we don't know whether this class is really outside the class of P-problems | Nov 12 17:42 |
CrystalMath | i lean towards P != NP | Nov 12 17:43 |
vZS1_2 | Go prove it and claim your Turin Award. | Nov 12 17:43 |
vZS1_2 | Turing | Nov 12 17:43 |
CrystalMath | i actually lean towards the idea that it's impossible | Nov 12 17:46 |
CrystalMath | but to be on the safe side | Nov 12 17:46 |
CrystalMath | it's better to go for problems proven to be NP-hard | Nov 12 17:46 |
CrystalMath | which are safe from quantum attacks as well | Nov 12 17:46 |
CrystalMath | Ariadne: bitcoin is not RSA-based | Nov 12 17:47 |
CrystalMath | things like cryptographic hashes are still safe | Nov 12 17:47 |
Ariadne | CrystalMath: no, but it is hashing based | Nov 12 17:48 |
CrystalMath | also, symmetric encryption is safe | Nov 12 17:48 |
CrystalMath | AES-256 | Nov 12 17:48 |
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CrystalMath | CAST5 has such a poor key size, i think a quantum computer will be able to break it in a month | Nov 12 17:48 |
CrystalMath | canada's gonna need something better :P | Nov 12 17:48 |
Ariadne | a lot of systems use AES-128 for speed | Nov 12 17:49 |
CrystalMath | AES-256 is not feasibly crackable even by a quantum computer | Nov 12 17:49 |
MinceR | https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Cho9NTEWwAA5_YF.jpg | Nov 12 17:54 |
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schestowitz | https://www.techdirt.com/articles/20201107/19082845665/mississippi-city-trying-to-turn-residents-doorbell-cameras-into-law-enforcement-surveillance-network.shtml | Nov 12 18:24 |
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DaemonFC[m] | schestowitz: Ring Doorbells are being recalled now for burning people's houses down. | Nov 12 18:40 |
schestowitz | smart fires | Nov 12 18:40 |
DaemonFC[m] | Maybe Mandy's paranoid schizophrenic sister will be one of them. | Nov 12 18:40 |
schestowitz | they target the stupid people | Nov 12 18:41 |
DaemonFC[m] | Just like BMW, Apple, and the truck water people. | Nov 12 18:43 |
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DaemonFC[m] | schestowitz: The Private Internet Access Linux software got much better since the open sourcing and Wireguard. | Nov 12 18:48 |
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schestowitz | DaemonFC[m]: home insurance companies will start charging those "Smart" homeowners more | Nov 12 18:52 |
schestowitz | for risk of fire | Nov 12 18:52 |
DaemonFC[m] | Nice. | Nov 12 18:56 |
DaemonFC[m] | Mandy wanted one. I told him absolutely not. | Nov 12 18:56 |
DaemonFC[m] | Mom asked why. I said because they're spyware and they phone into marketing companies and Facebook behind your back, and the police can tap right into them without your permission or knowledge. | Nov 12 18:57 |
schestowitz | you just join a police-led botnets | Nov 12 18:57 |
schestowitz | and you paid to join these botnets | Nov 12 18:57 |
schestowitz | *pay | Nov 12 18:57 |
schestowitz | not paid | Nov 12 18:57 |
schestowitz | they should PAY people to get these | Nov 12 18:57 |
DaemonFC[m] | Yeah, you pay and then maybe you end up like the guy in Michigan. | Nov 12 18:57 |
DaemonFC[m] | Whose own doorbell caught him committing a felony. | Nov 12 18:57 |
DaemonFC[m] | Now he's in court and what is he going to say? | Nov 12 18:58 |
schestowitz | not so smart then | Nov 12 18:58 |
schestowitz | many people carry microphones with cams to all places | Nov 12 18:58 |
schestowitz | even the toilets | Nov 12 18:58 |
schestowitz | some wear them on the wrist now | Nov 12 18:58 |
schestowitz | like prisoners.... actually, prisoners aren't allowed that yet | Nov 12 18:58 |
schestowitz | so they can shit in peace | Nov 12 18:58 |
schestowitz | no wrist-worn wifi-connected cameras | Nov 12 18:59 |
schestowitz | because that would be too "smart" | Nov 12 18:59 |
DaemonFC[m] | Cory Lewandowski, one of Trump's advisors, has the Coronavirus. | Nov 12 19:03 |
DaemonFC[m] | I always refer to him as Carl Brutananadilewski, like in Aqua Teen Hunger Force. | Nov 12 19:03 |
DaemonFC[m] | That fat New Jersey asshole they have next door who runs around in sandals, sweatpants, and a wife beater shirt, and always has bad ideas. Technically an antagonist, but usually too stupid to come up with anything truly threatening and often the butt of the jokes. | Nov 12 19:04 |
DaemonFC[m] | The comcast person put in my gmail account with a typo, but I was able to get in and fix that. | Nov 12 19:06 |
DaemonFC[m] | schestowitz: PIA plays too many games with their pricing. | Nov 12 19:07 |
DaemonFC[m] | Like there's usually a coupon you get if you click through from some affiliate site. | Nov 12 19:08 |
DaemonFC[m] | But it's only for new users so you have to let your subscription expire, find another referral, and make a new account. | Nov 12 19:08 |
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Ariadne | ==> Installing Alpine Linux in /var/lib/lxc/mysql-shared/rootfs | Nov 12 19:12 |
Ariadne | time to get back to it | Nov 12 19:12 |
Ariadne | :D | Nov 12 19:12 |
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XRevan86 | https://nitter.net/gvanrossum/status/1326932991566700549 huh? huhโฆ | Nov 12 19:28 |
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-nitter.net | Guido van Rossum (@gvanrossum): "I decided that retirement was boring and have joined the Developer Division at Microsoft. To do what? Too many options to say! But itโll make using Python better for sure (and not just on Windows :-). Thereโs lots of open source here. Watch this space." | nitter | Nov 12 19:28 | |
schestowitz | Python is dead then | Nov 12 19:35 |
schestowitz | unless it's a satire account | Nov 12 19:35 |
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schestowitz | He's already shilling #microsoft #proprietary software | Nov 12 19:39 |
MinceR | rip python | Nov 12 19:41 |
schestowitz | yup | Nov 12 19:42 |
schestowitz | it's all about money | Nov 12 19:42 |
schestowitz | it was already getting disturbing when they took MS bribes and they advertised Azure for that money | Nov 12 19:43 |
schestowitz | his timeline is shilling bad stuff | Nov 12 19:43 |
schestowitz | dropbox was bad enough | Nov 12 19:43 |
schestowitz | this is even worse | Nov 12 19:43 |
schestowitz | and some people tell us we're not under attack | Nov 12 19:43 |
schestowitz | while they pay loads of money to recruit people to defect | Nov 12 19:43 |
schestowitz | and to help attack our community projects | Nov 12 19:44 |
schestowitz | Guido van Icaza. | Nov 12 19:54 |
vZS1 | What needs to change is the fanboyism | Nov 12 20:01 |
vZS1 | Newcomers to the community are the ones most vulnerable to this kind of shilling | Nov 12 20:03 |
vZS1 | Because they fanboy over "leaders" | Nov 12 20:03 |
vZS1 | X said Y, so Y must be true. | Nov 12 20:03 |
vZS1 | For arbitrary "leader" X | Nov 12 20:04 |
vZS1 | Python already pissed off a lot of people by dropping support for Python 2. | Nov 12 20:05 |
vZS1 | Python leadership* | Nov 12 20:06 |
DaemonFC[m] | Windows wouldn't even by my 3rd choice anymore. | Nov 12 20:08 |
DaemonFC[m] | It's rotting so bad, and they're not even removing the shit. Like the control panel. They just swept the classic one under the rug so the binaries are still there but you can't open it unless you know some magic command. | Nov 12 20:09 |
DaemonFC[m] | It makes it appear to be less of a mess when you do hundreds of things like that without actually solving the mess, bloat, rotting code, etc. | Nov 12 20:10 |
DaemonFC[m] | It doesn't look like there's many important changes that landed in Ubuntu 20.10 or KDE Plasma Workspaces 5.19. | Nov 12 20:11 |
DaemonFC[m] | So I'll just stay on the LTS. | Nov 12 20:11 |
DaemonFC[m] | It's not worth getting back on those rapid releases when there's nothing new that's all that important. | Nov 12 20:12 |
DaemonFC[m] | My hardware is already well supported by the LTS, so there's that. | Nov 12 20:12 |
DaemonFC[m] | Apple is the one where every minor feature is a major feat of engineering. | Nov 12 20:13 |
oiaohm | vZS1: do remember python 2 is open source and no one was willing to put up the resources to keep it maintained once they saw the internal problems. | Nov 12 20:13 |
DaemonFC[m] | Throw out the computer. The new one has Dark Mode. Herp derp. | Nov 12 20:13 |
vZS1 | icode | Nov 12 20:14 |
MinceR | lol | Nov 12 20:14 |
oiaohm | vZS1: https://snarky.ca/why-python-3-exists/ python 3 comes out of unfixable design errors in python2 causing a lot of fun errors. | Nov 12 20:18 |
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-snarky.ca | Why Python 3 exists | Nov 12 20:18 | |
oiaohm | There is no way to fix those errors without breaking python 2 exact compadiblity. | Nov 12 20:18 |
oiaohm | Avoiding those errors in python2 also means making your code python3 compadible. | Nov 12 20:19 |
DaemonFC[m] | Comcast just hit my modem with new firmware. | Nov 12 20:19 |
DaemonFC[m] | That brought down my internet connection apparently. | Nov 12 20:19 |
DaemonFC[m] | It's back up now. | Nov 12 20:19 |
oiaohm | I have a backup modem. | Nov 12 20:20 |
oiaohm | Just in case they brick it. | Nov 12 20:20 |
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DaemonFC[m] | I'm surprised Netgear is still sending new firmware out for something from 2013, myself. | Nov 12 20:21 |
oiaohm | Being netgear if it a carrier provided moden the carrier can have the complete source to build new versions. | Nov 12 20:22 |
oiaohm | So that might not be netgear that could be comcast made update. | Nov 12 20:23 |
oiaohm | Of course that can really increase the risk of bricked it. | Nov 12 20:23 |
MinceR | https://www.smbc-comics.com/comic/trolley-2 | Nov 12 20:27 |
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.smbc-comics.com | Saturday Morning Breakfast Cereal - Trolley | Nov 12 20:27 | |
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schestowitz | XRevan86: MinceR ^^ | Nov 12 20:29 |
schestowitz | part of a pattern | Nov 12 20:29 |
schestowitz | Ariadne: is now a good time for a 2-hour nap for me? or later on? | Nov 12 20:29 |
MinceR | i guess it's time for me to look for another lisp dialect to target instead of hy | Nov 12 20:30 |
MinceR | i guess i'll go with common lisp | Nov 12 20:30 |
schestowitz | (I want to help where I can, the migration...) | Nov 12 20:30 |
vZS1 | After I automate this IPFS thing, fully, I'm going to sit down and do some more Haskell programming. | Nov 12 20:35 |
vZS1 | I've been enjoy Haskell a lot. | Nov 12 20:35 |
vZS1 | enjoying* | Nov 12 20:36 |
vZS1 | The immutability is really nice | Nov 12 20:37 |
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MinceR | especially for implementing algorithms that depend on mutable state :> | Nov 12 20:44 |
vZS1 | That's all magic we don't talk about | Nov 12 20:47 |
MinceR | mathemagic | Nov 12 20:47 |
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schestowitz | going to nap | Nov 12 20:54 |
schestowitz | back around midnight to generate the daily files | Nov 12 20:54 |
MinceR | have fun | Nov 12 20:55 |
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DaemonFC[m] | <oiaohm "Being netgear if it a carrier pr"> It's not a carrier modem. | Nov 12 21:09 |
DaemonFC[m] | Bought it to avoid paying Comcast $6 a month in 2013 and now they charge $14 a month for a modem. | Nov 12 21:09 |
XRevan86 | One good thing is that he is no longer in charge. | Nov 12 21:17 |
MinceR | (cat) https://full.pr0gramm.com/2020/09/14/22eed561963bdc1a.jpg | Nov 12 21:34 |
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CrystalMath | i started a channel known as ##antihumanism for people who realize humans are a threat to the planet | Nov 12 22:08 |
CrystalMath | tbh, it's very much like an alien invasion... | Nov 12 22:08 |
CrystalMath | in every alien invasion movie, you have aliens landing and using superior technology to destroy everything | Nov 12 22:09 |
CrystalMath | well that's exactly what's happening to our planet | Nov 12 22:09 |
CrystalMath | only we are the aliens | Nov 12 22:09 |
CrystalMath | and we're the bad ones | Nov 12 22:09 |
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DaemonFC[m] | I was looking at the Wikipedia entry for Alzheimer's Disease. | Nov 12 22:44 |
DaemonFC[m] | About the only countries not severely affected are the ones where hardly anyone makes it past 65 anyway. | Nov 12 22:44 |
DaemonFC[m] | People are blaming everything for it though, but again...it scales with life expectancy. Maybe it's just something we'll never solve. | Nov 12 22:46 |
smnthermes | > โ[17:18:16] โTechrightsBot-trโ: [notice] snarky.ca | Why Python 3 exists | Nov 12 22:48 |
smnthermes | The Unicode part is a bit silly, because much documentation is only available in English anyway, so | Nov 12 22:48 |
DaemonFC[m] | schestowitz: Walmart's pulling a fast one. | Nov 12 22:48 |
DaemonFC[m] | They have an ibotta offer saying free Thanksgiving dinner, and then the actual products aren't in any of the stores when you get there. | Nov 12 22:48 |
MinceR | assuming that everything is unicode will only end in tears anyway | Nov 12 22:48 |
DaemonFC[m] | Or cows. | Nov 12 22:49 |
DaemonFC[m] | Unicows | Nov 12 22:49 |
DaemonFC[m] | .dll | Nov 12 22:49 |
MinceR | https://i.imgur.com/4cMJrae.png | Nov 12 22:49 |
DaemonFC[m] | https://runescape.fandom.com/wiki/Unicow | Nov 12 22:50 |
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-runescape.fandom.com | Unicow | RuneScape Wiki | Fandom | Nov 12 22:50 | |
MinceR | RunEscape | Nov 12 22:51 |
DaemonFC[m] | Al Bundy | Nov 12 22:51 |
DaemonFC[m] | "Well then here's what I'll do. I'll start strangling you. When you reach the shade of blue that is acceptable to you, yell moo, and I'll stop.". | Nov 12 22:52 |
MinceR | :) | Nov 12 22:52 |
DaemonFC[m] | I actually have a Hulu and a Netflix account. | Nov 12 22:55 |
DaemonFC[m] | Mom shared her Netflix password and Sprint offered me a Hulu account and my phone bill is the same with or without it. | Nov 12 22:55 |
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vZS1 | My family all use my Netflix account | Nov 12 23:07 |
DaemonFC[m] | Ah, there we go. Found thee disable WPS PIN. | Nov 12 23:07 |
DaemonFC[m] | Now REAVER attacks shouldn't work. | Nov 12 23:07 |
vZS1 | I think I can have Netflix simultaneously logged in on 4 devices, for my account. | Nov 12 23:08 |
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DaemonFC[m] | Yeah, the COVID is just getting.... | Nov 12 23:57 |
DaemonFC[m] | This is turning into The Stand. | Nov 12 23:58 |
DaemonFC[m] | We set new records for the third day in a row. | Nov 12 23:58 |
DaemonFC[m] | It's already over 150,000 new cases today. | Nov 12 23:58 |
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