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DaemonFC[m]News says that Chicago downtown apartment occupancy rates are down to 1998 levels.Nov 19 00:22
DaemonFC[m]Rents have fallen about 20%.Nov 19 00:22
DaemonFC[m]Sounds like a disaster to me. Maybe Lori Lightfoot and Kim Foxx will let BLM lower the rents some more by scaring all the decent folk off.Nov 19 00:23
DaemonFC[m]B-)Nov 19 00:23
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DaemonFC[m]schestowitz: So far I've noticed that I don't really need any heat to be on for the apartment to stay warm enough, at least down to about 25 degrees F.Nov 19 01:06
DaemonFC[m]Dunno about lower than that.Nov 19 01:06
DaemonFC[m]Makes sense though. The building itself must have some heat otherwise the landlord would have pipes bursting all over the place during winter.Nov 19 01:07
DaemonFC[m]And we're about 5.5 feet underground, which provides insulation and protection from wind chills.Nov 19 01:07
DaemonFC[m]I'd like to keep the energy bills as low as possible, obviously. Nov 19 01:08
DaemonFC[m]I told Mandy to leave the heat off and layer up.Nov 19 01:08
DaemonFC[m]See how long and how much of each day we can just sort of freeload off the building's heat system.Nov 19 01:08
DaemonFC[m]Anyway, you say I learned nothing from bankruptcy. Oh I learned nothing because there was nothing to learn.Nov 19 01:11
DaemonFC[m]John was vicious and made his move on me and forced me to rack up an unfathomable amount of debt to fend off the state. Nov 19 01:11
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DaemonFC[m]These fuckers who are going to Walmart in the middle of a third wave surge, worst death tolls since April, no end in sight....and buying 70" TVs on a credit card, and asking Mandy to figure out a way to stuff it in their Honda Fit, are the idiots.Nov 19 01:13
DaemonFC[m]Anyway, schestowitz, I decided that in case I later change my mind and just get a Pixelbook with some future hardware refresh (certainly not going to if all I get is an 8th gen Intel setup), I'd bring in Chromium and transfer all my stuff into it.Nov 19 01:14
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DaemonFC[m]That way it would be an orderly transition.Nov 19 01:14
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DaemonFC[m]Well, you know, they're just asking too much for the hardware. It wasn't even the latest  stuff when they released the current iteration last year.Nov 19 01:15
DaemonFC[m]Without a refresh soon it's going to be very egregious, the amount they want for what you're getting. Nov 19 01:15
DaemonFC[m]I'd say the biggest leap forward lately is probably Intel doubling the L1 and L2 cache on the most recent stuff.Nov 19 01:16
DaemonFC[m]Seems they're having major problems getting the actual hardware to go faster and are sort of working on the edges where some operations are stalling out while the system fetches more data, more than they are improving the design of their CPU cores. Nov 19 01:17
schestowitzit's never a good time to blow over a grand on a laptopNov 19 01:21
DaemonFC[m]Yeah, some of the cheaper ones now are actually not that bad.Nov 19 01:22
DaemonFC[m]I just want to see at least a certain baseline.Nov 19 01:22
DaemonFC[m]Like it's never going to run out of RAM and become unbearably slow.Nov 19 01:22
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cubexyzlaptops: can you get parts, can you fix it? Who knowsNov 19 03:28
cubexyzlaptops: will it be obsolete in 5 years? ProbablyNov 19 03:28
cubexyzlaptops: will it turn into a heating element? Could beNov 19 03:29
DaemonFC[m]I found a replacement battery for this Yoga 900 for $38. Nov 19 03:36
DaemonFC[m]Turns out it's just LG that made the cells.Nov 19 03:36
DaemonFC[m]Some seller on Amazon.Nov 19 03:36
oiaohm_Really convergence between phone and desktop comes up all the time but we have not got there yet. Nov 19 03:36
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DaemonFC[m]The tablets are getting really good for the price. I saw a Lenovo tablet at Walmart for $58 today.Nov 19 03:37
oiaohmcubexyz: some laptops from new the are different parts that have not been made for 5 months.Nov 19 03:37
cubexyzhow can there really be a convergence between phone and desktop? they are totally different form-factorsNov 19 03:37
DaemonFC[m]2 GB is plenty of RAM for Android.Nov 19 03:37
cubexyzI'd say they never convergeNov 19 03:37
oiaohmcubexyz: think VR desktop.Nov 19 03:37
DaemonFC[m]High end Android tablets with a keyboard can replace a laptop for many people.Nov 19 03:38
schestowitzDaemonFC[m]: 19 03:38
-TechrightsBot-tr/ Yesterday #covid19 killed 2,000 Americans. In one day. Nov 19 03:38
schestowitz 19 03:38
-TechrightsBot-tr/ #covid19 is just "fake news" (like #biden winning the election) anyway...Nov 19 03:38
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oiaohmWho says the desktop monitor has to be there if you can project it.Nov 19 03:38
DaemonFC[m]Microsoft sees it and rushed to port Office to Android.Nov 19 03:38
oiaohmThere has been a stack of different attempts at convergence Nov 19 03:39
oiaohmSo far none have stuck.Nov 19 03:39
cubexyzoiaohm, what if I want a parallel port? :)Nov 19 03:39
cubexyzah, I suppose there is some parallel-port to usb thingNov 19 03:40
oiaohmUSB docks or possible in future 60Ghz docks.Nov 19 03:42
oiaohm   Like we see people messing around with convergence with the pinephone here.Nov 19 03:43
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-The PinePhone with an USB-C dock - YouTubeNov 19 03:43
oiaohmOk its not a laptop.Nov 19 03:43
cubexyzCRTs seemed to last longer than LCD's, not sure why that isNov 19 03:43
oiaohmcubexyz:   there are still attempts to make more modern displays using the old phosper materials of CRTs.Nov 19 03:44
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | GE updates line phosphor technology for mini/micro LED displays | LEDs MagazineNov 19 03:44
oiaohmThose old phosper materials are highly chemical stable.Nov 19 03:45
oiaohmas well as being in a vacuum helpedNov 19 03:45
cubexyzinteresting pointsNov 19 03:46
oiaohmCRT it was the guns and the drive circuits that failed.Nov 19 03:46
cubexyzthis is a philips 107b I'm using right now... it's got headphone jack in the front, and rca ports for a VCR in the backNov 19 03:46
oiaohmCRT do have a problem of putting out a lot of extra froms of radiation.Nov 19 03:47
cubexyzalthough I think some of the LCD monitors had headphone jack in the frontNov 19 03:47
oiaohmReally USB connected converance I don't really see as future.Nov 19 03:48
oiaohmConnecting and disconnecting is a very limited cycle thing.Nov 19 03:48
cubexyzdo you see shortwave and FM/AM radio disappearing?Nov 19 03:48
oiaohmSome of the move to wireless changing is to reduce wear and tear.Nov 19 03:48
oiaohmshortwave is a very distance sent signal.    So any changes in that bandwith require multi country agreement.Nov 19 03:49
oiaohmFM/AM they are not as constant between countries so are at more risk of disappearing/messed with.Nov 19 03:50
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Mogzagainhi guysNov 19 03:54
MogzagainI can see you've just signed off, so just to post a quick response to the latest figosdev article. Nov 19 03:55
schestowitzhiNov 19 03:56
MogzagainI'm really questioning why these are posted. Very demoralising, and this one seems to say overall that none of us are joining forces or investing assets/time/effort/support, but users should fix linux themselves. Nov 19 03:56
Mogzagainhi RoyNov 19 03:56
schestowitzplease go onNov 19 03:56
Mogzagainokay, thanks ... not meaning to be unpleasant, but it's taken me half an hour to calm down enough to hopefully contribute something that might lift thingsNov 19 03:57
schestowitzRMS is by his own admission a pessimistNov 19 03:58
schestowitzfigosdev isn't any more than he isNov 19 03:58
Mogzagainif rms/oliva joined forces, steering things with a strong hand, small numbers, and refusing big tech, there could be hope ... and they have the experience and 'clout', so it seems wrong to say the little ppl should be achieving what they could, without that supportNov 19 03:58
schestowitzbut he's more so than meNov 19 03:58
Mogzagainand the article basically says oliva prefers to work with the fsf anywayNov 19 03:58
schestowitzyes, rms wants him toNov 19 03:58
Mogzagainno idea why 5 github-linked packages aren't forked, seeing as oliva runs the libre kernelNov 19 03:58
schestowitzhe's his 'pawn' thereNov 19 03:58
Mogzagainrms wasn't a pessimist for 30 yrsNov 19 03:59
schestowitzthe strategy can be differentNov 19 03:59
schestowitzget those projects off githubNov 19 03:59
schestowitzwithout forking themNov 19 03:59
oiaohmReally a lot way GPL was design was on the presume people would backstab.Nov 19 03:59
schestowitzfor that, we need to weaken the monopolyNov 19 03:59
Mogzagainfigosdev should consider that telling others to fix linux isn't going to work when you tell ppl the leaders won't unite and nobody's really doing anythingNov 19 03:59
schestowitzand 'wean off' the ecosystem [RMS hates that word]Nov 19 03:59
schestowitzwhich works, graduallyNov 19 03:59
schestowitzyesterday rauk asked me what to use instead of githubNov 19 03:59
Mogzagainwell, my point is that if rms/oliva prefer the fsf, why is figosdev writing saying users should fix everything, aloneNov 19 04:00
Mogzagaincan't weaken a monopoly by being part of itNov 19 04:00
oiaohmMogzagain: I have worked around the wine project for a long time.    Nov 19 04:00
oiaohmMost project really don't have enough man power.Nov 19 04:00
Mogzagainif rms/oliva joined forces, forked the 5 packages, and gave ppl some hope, surely a far better way to spend time and inspire usersNov 19 04:00
oiaohmeven for non skilled tasks.Nov 19 04:00
schestowitzMogzagain: that's now what was said re FSFNov 19 04:01
schestowitzthe idea is, make sure FSF isn't single point of failureNov 19 04:01
schestowitzbecause in some aspects it is failingNov 19 04:01
oiaohmwhen I say non skilled as in here is the fix the developer made will someone please test it on X hardware.Nov 19 04:01
Mogzagainagain, why write articles saying users should fix it all when every response is so demoralising and depressingNov 19 04:01
schestowitzalso, those 5 projects are some of manyNov 19 04:01
Mogzagainppl need some hope, and surely rms/oliva uniting is doable and would be something really goodNov 19 04:01
schestowitzthey're just a  prime dependencyNov 19 04:01
schestowitzand github isn't the sole threatNov 19 04:01
Mogzagainsurely it's a waste of time to have anything to do with the fsf; they were behind rms being ousted, so have made it VERY clear which side they're onNov 19 04:02
schestowitzwhether the article 'demoralises' is besides the pointNov 19 04:02
schestowitzto many Trump was demoralisingNov 19 04:02
oiaohmMogzagain: there are lots and lots of cases with open source software development were a problem cannot be fixed without user being involed as a tester.Nov 19 04:02
Mogzagainsupporting them is a waste of time and resources ... then ppl wonder why users can't get behind anything, to give supportNov 19 04:02
schestowitzbut stating what's happening is being realisticNov 19 04:02
schestowitzfacts and reality are rarely convenientNov 19 04:03
schestowitzmany lost their minds in pure fantasies amid covidNov 19 04:03
Mogzagainbut ppl need hope, and others to be positive, so, yes, that article does have a responsibility to contribute something positive, not demoralisingNov 19 04:03
oiaohmSo we need people willing to at least invest some time testing what developers have made.Nov 19 04:03
schestowitznice to think it's all fake and an elite conspiracy, rather than accept it's a big and legitimate problemNov 19 04:03
MogzagainI couldn't give a stuff about trump .. he won't save linuxNov 19 04:03
schestowitzwith freeSWNov 19 04:03
schestowitznice to think we are "winning"Nov 19 04:04
schestowitzand that github is "proof" of itNov 19 04:04
schestowitzMicrosoft winning = us winningNov 19 04:04
Mogzagainplenty of users have helped and donated, and suddenly everyone talks like that never happenedNov 19 04:04
schestowitzZDNet pushes this MORE demoralising ideaNov 19 04:04
schestowitzas if Microsoft comes to 'our rescue"Nov 19 04:04
schestowitzlike it did Novell, Yahoo, Nokia...Nov 19 04:04
oiaohmMogzagain: I would not say plenty.Nov 19 04:04
Mogzagainso why doesn't figosdev be realistic, and thankfully brief ... nobody's going to work together or help; you're all on your own, regardless of how much you may have contributedNov 19 04:04
oiaohmwine project, Linux kernel, libreoffice could have hand 1000 times more people and it still not be enough.Nov 19 04:05
Mogzagainwatching ms all day is not going to save linusNov 19 04:05
Mogzagain*linuxNov 19 04:05
oiaohmThe reality is software development is hard work needing a hell load of resources.Nov 19 04:05
schestowitzlinux won't salvage gnu eitherNov 19 04:05
schestowitzit's there for comfort since 1991Nov 19 04:05
oiaohmamount of investment is a drop in ocean.Nov 19 04:05
MogzagainI would say plenty of users have donated, bugfixed, helped in countless ways, over many years ... but everyone talks like they do nothingNov 19 04:06
schestowitzbut linux is not bloated and not freedom-respectingNov 19 04:06
Mogzagainagain, oiaohm, you do just the same, talk at a user as if they contribute nothing and are all to blame, and should fix it allNov 19 04:06
schestowitzMogzagain: we have the software, and it works wellNov 19 04:06
schestowitzwe are weaker on marketingNov 19 04:06
schestowitzand we're attacjedNov 19 04:06
schestowitzBECAUSE the software is THIS goodNov 19 04:06
Mogzagainyes, the point is the GNU salvages stuff, and anyone with great experience etc, such as olivaNov 19 04:07
schestowitzand we need to recognise the attackNov 19 04:07
schestowitzlike GitHub being an attack, a theftNov 19 04:07
oiaohmMogzagain: You are not listerning to the right point.   We are criticial short of resources.Nov 19 04:07
schestowitzoiaohm: so are our rivalsNov 19 04:07
schestowitzWindows, for example, keeps bricking itself and macOS is not evolvingNov 19 04:07
oiaohmEven in the Linux kernel there are a growing number flaws that there is not the developers or testers there to fix.Nov 19 04:07
schestowitzBSD is even worse off when it comes to fundingNov 19 04:07
oiaohmYes this is not a problem with just open source.Nov 19 04:08
Mogzagainthere weren't issues until big tech was allowed in; now users are 'lazy', 'greedy', should fix it all themselves, and no talented leaders will combine to do anything. Nov 19 04:08
oiaohmSoftware developers is in a very short of resources.Nov 19 04:08
schestowitzthat's not a new issueNov 19 04:08
schestowitzafaikNov 19 04:08
oiaohmSo project are trying to get as many new people as they can.Nov 19 04:08
schestowitz"big tech" is also a collective new termNov 19 04:08
schestowitzsome say designed to distract from big oil, big banks, big telecomsNov 19 04:08
Mogzagainwhether short of resources or not, demoralisation and lack of effort is what is preached?! if rms had that attitude 30 yrs ago, no freedom or gnu would have happenedNov 19 04:08
oiaohmEven if they double their developer and tester numbers for the next 10 years for many projects it will not be enough.Nov 19 04:09
schestowitzMogzagain: RMS was no optimistNov 19 04:09
Mogzagainno, the linux kernel has e.g. gkh signing in ms devsNov 19 04:09
schestowitznot even back thenNov 19 04:09
schestowitzafaikNov 19 04:09
schestowitzI was a babyNov 19 04:09
schestowitzgkh is compromisedNov 19 04:09
oiaohmMogzagain: its not exaclty lack of effort. the words is more those looking at the problem and seeing that the amount of work/effort going in is not enough.Nov 19 04:09
schestowitzand we need to call him out on thatNov 19 04:09
schestowitzso at least people know who's whoNov 19 04:10
oiaohmProblem is how to get more.Nov 19 04:10
schestowitzgkh took ms money through novell for a long timeNov 19 04:10
schestowitzand worked on microsoft micro-projectsNov 19 04:10
oiaohmOk some of the ways attempting to get more I agree are horrible.Nov 19 04:10
schestowitzlike hyper-vNov 19 04:10
schestowitznow he gets paid like $400,000 per yearNov 19 04:10
schestowitzalso funded by hostile companies that use LF as a frontNov 19 04:10
Mogzagainwell if a non-optimist can achieve the incredible things he did, I suggest he wasn't a non-optimist for realNov 19 04:10
oiaohmMogzagain: lets say you are in my position you you know X bug requires a person with Y hardware to test it.   I don't have the developers don't have it.   At this point you need end user with that hardware to step u.Nov 19 04:11
oiaohmRemember new hardware is being made all the time.Nov 19 04:11
oiaohmso we have a huge on going treadmill here.Nov 19 04:11
Mogzagaingkh is the most dangerous for linuxNov 19 04:11
schestowitzMogzagain: actually... I beg to differNov 19 04:11
oiaohmwhere we cannot really sit on prior work done.Nov 19 04:11
Mogzagainby choiceNov 19 04:11
schestowitzthe realisation that computing freedom was under attack motivated peopleNov 19 04:11
schestowitzto even work gratusNov 19 04:11
schestowitz*gratusNov 19 04:11
schestowitz>gratisNov 19 04:11
schestowitzif we say crap like "OPEN SOURCE" has "won"Nov 19 04:12
schestowitzwhat motivation are we giving to FREE SOFTWARE people?Nov 19 04:12
schestowitzNothingNov 19 04:12
schestowitzwe got hijackedNov 19 04:12
schestowitzTHEY wonNov 19 04:12
Mogzagainthe devs that are going more corporate-favouring, infecting distros and the kernel, and getting the ms dollars, is no help, but surely rms fought that 30 yrs ago, and forged a pathNov 19 04:12
schestowitzthe underminersNov 19 04:12
Mogzagainwith very few resourcesNov 19 04:12
oiaohmDevelopers have to eat.Nov 19 04:12
schestowitzthey eatNov 19 04:12
oiaohmSo someone has to pay themNov 19 04:12
schestowitzthey are technicalNov 19 04:12
schestowitzthey have jobNov 19 04:12
schestowitzoiaohm: you use Lunduke FUDNov 19 04:13
schestowitzthe usual BSNov 19 04:13
oiaohmand being paid unfornatmally normally brings a company bias.Nov 19 04:13
Mogzagainagain, oiaohm, countless ppl have stepped up and helpedNov 19 04:13
schestowitzas if to say, either you develop bad software and get on with the program or starveNov 19 04:13
*schestowitz will ignore oiaohm for the rest of this discussionNov 19 04:13
DaemonFC[m]I read an article that said the reaction from around the world was as if the United States ousted a dictator.Nov 19 04:13
schestowitzit didNov 19 04:13
schestowitzsort of, for nowNov 19 04:13
DaemonFC[m]I was like.... That's exactly what happened.Nov 19 04:13
Mogzagainexactly; only free software guts and determination will win this, as rms did 30 yrs agoNov 19 04:14
schestowitzI don't share your analysis of thisNov 19 04:14
Mogzagaineven to find somewhere all who care about privacy/freedom can beNov 19 04:14
oiaohmMogzagain: problem is we need countless more people to step up again.Nov 19 04:14
schestowitzI will lay out my reasonsNov 19 04:14
schestowitz1) motivation comes not from complacencyNov 19 04:14
schestowitz2) many became complacentNov 19 04:14
oiaohmThat is due to the treadmil effects of new hardware and supproting more hardware and supporting more software.Nov 19 04:14
schestowitz3) this is why so many fools think it's "cool" and "good for money" to outsource to Microsoft (GitHub)Nov 19 04:14
Mogzagainbut it's always users attacked because more corporate-leaning devs just want to go where the money is now .. that's not users faultNov 19 04:15
Mogzagainno care about values, freedom, privacyNov 19 04:15
schestowitz4) we had our terminology warped and orgs infiltratedNov 19 04:15
Mogzagaindidn't rms work AND start up gnu?Nov 19 04:15
schestowitz5) many are still in denial about it or unable to see through itNov 19 04:15
schestowitz[04:15] <Mogzagain> but it's always users attacked because more corporate-leaning devs just want to go where the money is now .. that's not users faultNov 19 04:15
schestowitzthat's nothing new, many devs got paid for their freesw credsNov 19 04:16
schestowitzred hat brain-drained gnuNov 19 04:16
Mogzagainsteadier development isn't an issue ... ppl of course can have jobs/earn and do dev work outside that, slowerNov 19 04:16
Mogzagainbut no reason to go to big tech unless no regard for freedoms/othersNov 19 04:16
schestowitzI also work full timeNov 19 04:16
schestowitzand run techrights when I have timeNov 19 04:16
Mogzagainlol, the ignoringNov 19 04:16
schestowitzso I don't have to worry about fund-raisingNov 19 04:16
Mogzagainwhatever politics is doing, we already know it doesn't give a crap about freedom/values/linux/pplNov 19 04:17
schestowitzpeople will stop working for "big tech"Nov 19 04:17
schestowitzIFNov 19 04:17
Mogzagainso what DOES?Nov 19 04:17
schestowitzwe teach them whyNov 19 04:17
schestowitzthe media isn't doing thatNov 19 04:17
schestowitz "I don't like what this company stands for. Its the worst kind of mass manipulator of the public. Freedom of speech and public discourse is being replaced with f—ly Mark's overlord mentality." Nov 19 04:17
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | Hate the stigma now of working here - post regarding Facebook layoffsNov 19 04:17
schestowitzI posted this yesterdayNov 19 04:17
schestowitzso you see people don't feel comfortable taking money if it harms their geek credsNov 19 04:17
Mogzagainppl who are naturally complacent do that, but not those who care about freedom/privacy etcNov 19 04:17
schestowitzand this is why those "negative" articles can help, by reinforcing correct stigmasNov 19 04:18
schestowitzcalling out Guido van IcazaNov 19 04:18
Mogzagainit's so frustrating that ppl LET things be infiltratedNov 19 04:18
schestowitzso let them have karmaNov 19 04:18
schestowitzsome are too 'polite' to point this outNov 19 04:19
Mogzagainred hat disgust me, how they leapt onto the fsf the morning after rms was kicked outNov 19 04:19
schestowitzwhen did you see the media blasting LF?Nov 19 04:19
schestowitzIt's all puff piecesNov 19 04:19
schestowitzthey have PR budgetNov 19 04:19
Mogzagainexactly, you work and then do loads of work for linuxNov 19 04:19
schestowitz 19 04:19
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | The Linux Foundation Exceeds $100,000,000 in Revenue and Jim Zemlin Now Pays Himself About a Million Dollars a Year While ‘His’ Foundation Operates at a Loss of $732,261 | TechrightsNov 19 04:19
schestowitzLF is run by PR peopleNov 19 04:19
Mogzagainso those saying 'I had to take big tech money' are shams and didn't care about freedom/usersNov 19 04:19
schestowitzthose companies overpayNov 19 04:19
schestowitzand people who work there have  no spare timeNov 19 04:20
schestowitzmore so during covid homeworkingNov 19 04:20
schestowitzwhich sounds counter-intuitiveNov 19 04:20
schestowitz"This new hybrid workstation policy means that at least some of us will be able to work full time from home even after the pandemic. Could be a good idea, but to me feels like a trap because I work almost twice as much since I started working"Nov 19 04:20
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schestowitzI heard the sameNov 19 04:20
schestowitzthis is MicrosoftNov 19 04:20
Mogzagainyes, they deserve karma, but where do those NOT harming linux/others go is the critical questionNov 19 04:20
schestowitzI spoke someone from #microsoft They make them work more because of #covid19This one who I spoke to starts working at 5AM. I kid not! Wishes could go back to work at the office, but they're not allowing that. []Nov 19 04:20
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schestowitzthose people earn too much and have no time to use the money they earnNov 19 04:21
schestowitzthose not harming gnu?Nov 19 04:21
schestowitzor linux?Nov 19 04:21
schestowitzlinux is about as corporate as a freesw can getNov 19 04:21
schestowitzit won't even touch gplv3Nov 19 04:21
Mogzagaingod, I'm so sick of devs whinging ... easy to sort a timetable at home!Nov 19 04:21
schestowitzand we know why, it's not just tivoisationNov 19 04:21
schestowitzMogzagain: I spend 36 hours a week on the job, still have about 70 for techrights and hobbiesNov 19 04:22
schestowitzwe're in lockdown nowNov 19 04:22
Mogzagainagain, what can be done for linux users who care about privacy/freedom, and rapidly are having no island to inhabitNov 19 04:22
schestowitzteachingNov 19 04:22
Mogzagaincan't fight the good fight without a homeNov 19 04:22
schestowitzteach them what it's for?Nov 19 04:22
Mogzagainand some hopeNov 19 04:22
schestowitzsome here think DRM is goodNov 19 04:22
schestowitzbecause "users want ot"Nov 19 04:23
schestowitzmany come to Linux for "apps"Nov 19 04:23
schestowitzbecause sits like "OMG Ubuntu!" market it like thatNov 19 04:23
Mogzagainrms started from very little and achieved incredibly ... surely we need to take him as the inspirationNov 19 04:23
Mogzagainif we hope to get back what mattersNov 19 04:23
schestowitzsnaps, systemd, spotify, skype, clown computing...Nov 19 04:23
Mogzagainwell done for all your work!Nov 19 04:23
schestowitzMogzagain: you have described what techrights tries to doNov 19 04:23
schestowitzeven if it's mostly alone at thatNov 19 04:23
schestowitzjust like we're 99% alone in exposing the EPO's corruptionNov 19 04:24
schestowitzand attacks on privacy with back doorsNov 19 04:24
schestowitznow we promote ipfsNov 19 04:24
schestowitzto kill the bloated webNov 19 04:24
schestowitzor the web as a wholeNov 19 04:24
Mogzagainyes, too many negative players around ... but those of us who care about privacy/values need an island, preferably with rms/oliva there, something like thatNov 19 04:24
schestowitzrss is good, but it's not dwebNov 19 04:24
Mogzagaineven itsfoss are now riddled with google captcha!!Nov 19 04:24
schestowitzwar on rss is fought by surveillance giantsNov 19 04:24
schestowitzrss is bad for the ad and tracking industryNov 19 04:25
schestowitzgoogle bouhht feeburnerNov 19 04:25
schestowitzto add spying codes to URLsNov 19 04:25
MogzagainI avoid all of those things you list, snaps etc, running a really clean system, so at least that's doable, if ppl careNov 19 04:25
schestowitzso that it can better track what people do in RSS readersNov 19 04:25
schestowitz*feedburnerNov 19 04:25
schestowitzMogzagain: so help teachNov 19 04:25
schestowitzteach peopleNov 19 04:25
schestowitzalso codeNov 19 04:26
schestowitzwe code every dayNov 19 04:26
schestowitzstuff for the site mostlyNov 19 04:26
schestowitzcoming soon are text-only (not raw) irc logsNov 19 04:26
schestowitzwe're testing that todayNov 19 04:26
Mogzagainagain, back to my point about the article, telling users to do the work, without any support/inspiration or the rich experience of e.g. rms/olivaNov 19 04:26
schestowitzit'll go into ipfsNov 19 04:26
schestowitzvZS1 is an ipfs expertNov 19 04:26
schestowitzthe article is not mineNov 19 04:26
Mogzagainthat is unfair. for example, I'm the least tech person on linux probably, lol, and do art, only, but used to donate LOADS, until I go so fed up with the  attitude to usersNov 19 04:27
schestowitzif you stick around, figosdev will read these irc logsNov 19 04:27
schestowitzas he does every dayNov 19 04:27
schestowitzthen I'll paste in his responseNov 19 04:27
Mogzagainand, yes, that could invite criticism, but where is the leaders who care, who make an effort, who value freedoms and users, instead of constantly saying 'you fix it', when you can't aloneNov 19 04:27
schestowitzdepends who and what you donate toNov 19 04:27
schestowitzsome people donates to MozillaNov 19 04:27
schestowitzwhile Google paid them $300,000,000Nov 19 04:27
schestowitz*donatedNov 19 04:27
schestowitzmany still donate to EFFNov 19 04:28
Mogzagainyes, going offline more, using rss, having thought that was at least better than being on the browserNov 19 04:28
schestowitzwith $40,000,000 in the bank with very high interestNov 19 04:28
schestowitzEFF has done nothing heroic lately, not since Barlow diedNov 19 04:28
MogzagainI'm in sheltered housing, hardly see a soul; have tried SO much online, but there's so much unpleasantness, lack of commitment, unfair criticism, and I have made stands, and you just get shunnedNov 19 04:28
schestowitzbetrayal is everywhereNov 19 04:28
schestowitzthat's why GPL is so popularNov 19 04:28
schestowitzon many levelsNov 19 04:29
MogzagainI could only teach art! lolNov 19 04:29
schestowitzit's a failsafeNov 19 04:29
schestowitzart and free culture are connected to free softwareNov 19 04:29
schestowitzin so many waysNov 19 04:29
schestowitzthey're complimentaryNov 19 04:29
schestowitzlook at david revoyNov 19 04:29
schestowitzhe helps gnu/linuxNov 19 04:29
Mogzagaingreat that he'll read it ... ppl need hope, not 'fix it yourself' as nobody with real clout and experience will help!Nov 19 04:29
schestowitzand krita and freesw Nov 19 04:29
schestowitzjust by jotting and blogginNov 19 04:30
schestowitzyou can ignore 90% of freeswNov 19 04:30
Mogzagainunbelievable that ppl donate to mozilla etcNov 19 04:30
schestowitzand still get stuff doneNov 19 04:30
schestowitzwe have more than enoughNov 19 04:30
MogzagainI'd rather shout it out clear, and hopefully contribute something, than live in regretNov 19 04:30
schestowitzyou don't need 10 browsers and 10 CD-burning sw packagesNov 19 04:30
schestowitzwe have all the pieces in place nowNov 19 04:30
schestowitzand we're under attackNov 19 04:31
Mogzagaindidn't EFF help youtube-dl and force github to reinstate and do their false virtue signalling?Nov 19 04:31
schestowitzbesieged by the likes of adobe that loathe krita and gimpNov 19 04:31
schestowitzMicrosoft that cannot sell Vista 10 for even $10Nov 19 04:31
schestowitzso it's PAYING the OEMs to preload it nowNov 19 04:31
Mogzagainyes, I've contributed fully painted professional wallpapers, offered stuff, etcNov 19 04:31
schestowitzjust to block gnu/linux or chromeosNov 19 04:31
schestowitz[04:31] <Mogzagain> didn't EFF help youtube-dl and force github to reinstate and do their false virtue signalling?Nov 19 04:31
Mogzagainif you want something done, let me know nowNov 19 04:32
schestowitzno, eff helped Microsoft defelction to RIAANov 19 04:32
schestowitzwhich Microsoft is a member of!Nov 19 04:32
schestowitzI wrote about how awful the EFF blog posts about it wereNov 19 04:32
schestowitz3 of them at leastNov 19 04:32
schestowitzif EFF was worth a f--k, they'd tell people "DELETE GITHUB"Nov 19 04:32
schestowitzit's proprietaryNov 19 04:32
schestowitzcentralisedNov 19 04:32
Mogzagainbut krita's really keen to get corporate money in, the same as blenderNov 19 04:32
schestowitzNSA PRISMNov 19 04:32
schestowitzit's an attack on privacy, control over code, securityNov 19 04:32
schestowitz 19 04:33
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | The Story About Microsoft’s Plan for GitHub Says a Lot About the Motivations and the Lies Told to Us for Over Half a Decade | TechrightsNov 19 04:33
schestowitzEFF is toothless re freeswNov 19 04:33
schestowitzand it gave Microsoft an AWARDNov 19 04:33
Mogzagainyes, thought ms and riaa were friends!Nov 19 04:33
Mogzagainall smoke and mirrorsNov 19 04:33
schestowitz[04:32] <Mogzagain> but krita's really keen to get corporate money in, the same as blenderNov 19 04:33
schestowitzblender objects to GItHubNov 19 04:33
MogzagainI must have missed those posts, oops ... will look them upNov 19 04:33
schestowitzmaybe that's why Microsoft bribed blender recentlyNov 19 04:33
Mogzagainand, yes, delete github SHOULD be their main messageNov 19 04:34
schestowitz 19 04:34
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | The Hand Inside the Blender: Microsoft Money for Blender’s Development Fund is Not a ‘Cookie Jar’ Donation But Another Power Move | TechrightsNov 19 04:34
Mogzagaineveryone taking their code from github ... such an obvious solution and clear taking back of  powerNov 19 04:34
schestowitzthere's more about thatNov 19 04:34
schestowitzbut it might be linked from the memeNov 19 04:34
schestowitzand Microsoft bought NPM tooNov 19 04:34
schestowitzand took over OpenJSNov 19 04:34
MogzagainI didn't know all that about EFF ... another disappointment!Nov 19 04:34
schestowitzRobinNov 19 04:34
schestowitzthe nontechnical marketing repNov 19 04:34
schestowitzfrom EdelmanNov 19 04:35
schestowitzwho is now also bossing TorvaldsNov 19 04:35
schestowitzin LF managementNov 19 04:35
schestowitzlots of skulduggeryNov 19 04:35
schestowitzThe media is dead-silentNov 19 04:35
schestowitzZDNet is CHEERING for it!Nov 19 04:35
schestowitzPaid to do thatNov 19 04:35
Mogzagainyes, unfortunately I've seen the work list which is about making things as blender-similar as possible, e.g. a funding site etc, sort advertisingNov 19 04:35
schestowitzblender is not compromisedNov 19 04:36
schestowitzbut it's the early stageNov 19 04:36
Mogzagainthat's good re blender, and look at the success via NOT github!Nov 19 04:36
schestowitzlike with python about half a decade agoNov 19 04:36
Mogzagainoops, should have read on ... so MS are involved with blender now?Nov 19 04:36
Mogzagainoh noNov 19 04:36
schestowitzMicrosoft is tryingNov 19 04:36
schestowitzbut Microsoft has loads of layoffsNov 19 04:36
schestowitzI think they're fighting from a losing position on that frontNov 19 04:37
schestowitzmany blender users aren't on WindowsNov 19 04:37
schestowitzno practical benefit to itNov 19 04:37
schestowitzsame for MayaNov 19 04:37
schestowitzthey're blowing money on projects like GodotNov 19 04:37
Mogzagainyes, as soon as corporate money or the likes of ms start sniffing round, only those who are genuine won't leap at thatNov 19 04:37
schestowitzfearing it leads people AWAY from WindowsNov 19 04:37
schestowitzand they paid lots of money for Guido van Icaza to become full-time Microsoft shillNov 19 04:38
schestowitzmaybe a million bucks a yearNov 19 04:38
schestowitzwith blender the payments gives them steering powerNov 19 04:38
schestowitzit's part of the packageNov 19 04:38
schestowitzI think we took screenshots of that pageNov 19 04:38
schestowitzwatch out if they try to oust mr. blenderNov 19 04:39
schestowitzsome phony scandalNov 19 04:39
schestowitzand then put "more professional person" in his placeNov 19 04:39
schestowitzmaybe with some "diversity" angle to itNov 19 04:39
schestowitzand then "support" Blender's migration to GitHub financiallyNov 19 04:39
Mogzagainyes, not good ... I feel if we're going to do anything, and find a home to be at, if there are too many negative ppl, it's not always great to just be looking at everything bad. Nov 19 04:39
schestowitzas he is the one who opposed and blocked github adoptionNov 19 04:39
Mogzagainwhat can happen? ... back to figosdev's article, which may as well have said 'you're on your own', as rms/oliva won't be there, etcNov 19 04:40
Mogzagainwhat are ppl to do, when the most inspiring ppl aren't collaborating, those who have rich experience?Nov 19 04:41
Mogzagainhas everyone accepted it's over, and not bothering to do as rms did 30 yrs ago? if so, where is privacy/freedom, except offline?Nov 19 04:41
Mogzagainfigosdev says there's no real point creating groups, as big tech will just take over ... NO; ppl allow that, and, if they don't, that won't happen. Nov 19 04:42
schestowitzpeople do collaborateNov 19 04:42
schestowitzwe collaborate with manyNov 19 04:42
schestowitz[04:41] <Mogzagain> has everyone accepted it's over, and not bothering to do as rms did 30 yrs ago? if so, where is privacy/freedom, except offline?Nov 19 04:42
schestowitzwhat rms tackled was a different worldNov 19 04:43
schestowitzmainframes, no free kernelsNov 19 04:43
schestowitzno clown computingNov 19 04:43
schestowitzno wwwNov 19 04:43
schestowitzfsf only evolved partiallyNov 19 04:43
Mogzagainyes, he did an article saying is it Tiny distro is best, but increasingly these solutions become more technical, beyond non-technical users, etc, or nothing will work, etcNov 19 04:43
cubexyz1983 I think it wasNov 19 04:43
schestowitz[04:42] <Mogzagain> figosdev says there's no real point creating groups, as big tech will just take over ... NO; ppl allow that, and, if they don't, that won't happen. Nov 19 04:43
cubexyzwhen RMS started GNUNov 19 04:43
schestowitzthe latest article says the oppositeNov 19 04:43
schestowitzit says more groups need to be createdNov 19 04:43
schestowitzeven small groupsNov 19 04:43
schestowitzand then federatedNov 19 04:44
schestowitzit's hard to corrupt them allNov 19 04:44
Mogzagainyes, collabs may go on, but not publicly, and not winning against the negative stuff on linux, and not inspiring users or getting ppl together, unfortunatelyNov 19 04:44
schestowitzand they can remove 'infected'/corrupt ones from the loopNov 19 04:44
Mogzagainyes, truth-telling is important, but the message seems to be we're f*cked, sort it yourself ... why do articles like that? ppl are depressed enough, and rms fought and won for 30 yrs from a lot smaller group and from scratchNov 19 04:44
schestowitzi think calling it 'linux' for example is not helpingNov 19 04:45
schestowitzso that's one thing to addressNov 19 04:45
schestowitzteach people about freedom, using the right concepts and termsNov 19 04:45
Mogzagainyes, we're all depressed and fed up, yes, ms buying github and red hat selling out, is really crap, but is the only solution ultimately offline?Nov 19 04:45
schestowitz 19 04:45
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | GNU Programs Aren’t “Linux Commands” But GNU Programs | TechrightsNov 19 04:45
schestowitzrms told me that by calling it linux we lead people to Torvalds' non-philosophyNov 19 04:45
schestowitzwhich boils down to betrayalNov 19 04:45
schestowitzand calling freedom fighters "Radicals"Nov 19 04:46
schestowitzcoders like himNov 19 04:46
Mogzagainoh lord, I'm seeing the quotes you're taking, and knowing figosdev will be hunting me down, lol haha. note to figosdev; nothing personal, just really concerned and hope something constructive can emerge. Nov 19 04:46
schestowitzwho don't get $1.5 million a yearNov 19 04:46
schestowitzalmost nobody talking about "free software"Nov 19 04:46
Mogzagainbut he finishes with saying that big tech will take over anyway, re any groupsNov 19 04:46
schestowitzpeople say "open source"... and to some it means Github, which is PROPRIETARYNov 19 04:47
schestowitzand an  attack on itNov 19 04:47
schestowitzmore people in gnu/linux, like debian devs, now say "Free softwareNov 19 04:47
schestowitzmore than beforeNov 19 04:47
Mogzagainyou know I mean freedom-loving gnu linuxNov 19 04:47
schestowitzso more of them too are realising "open source" is dead as a brandNov 19 04:47
schestowitzin the arts don't say "open source" eitherNov 19 04:47
MogzagainI've made lots of stands about privacy, and still trying to recover from that ... which says it all really, which is why my question is where do those who love freedom/respect/privacy go, except offline?Nov 19 04:48
schestowitzcreative commons are licencesNov 19 04:48
Mogzagainwith the heckles of 'you should have contributed' fading into the distance, lolNov 19 04:48
schestowitzand unless someone hijacks the and then perturbs the legal text, they cannot perturb thatNov 19 04:48
Mogzagainyes, I obviously meant gnu/freedomNov 19 04:48
Mogzagainopen source is corruptedNov 19 04:49
schestowitzthere's more money in "LINUX" nowNov 19 04:49
schestowitzlike server salesNov 19 04:49
schestowitzso companies like IBM blow half their savings on  a brandNov 19 04:49
cubexyzgnu/freedom/gcc/X/linux-kernel/and-don't-forget-the-original-bell-labs-unixNov 19 04:49
schestowitzand a distro with that brandNov 19 04:49
Mogzagainyes, free software, the freedoms/respect/values/privacyNov 19 04:49
schestowitzwhose code is mostly free and anyone can pickNov 19 04:49
schestowitzMicrosoft 'loves' Linux because it tries to make money off it... with patents and infiltrationsNov 19 04:50
schestowitzthose are symptoms of gnu becoming too srongNov 19 04:50
schestowitz*strongNov 19 04:50
cubexyzwe all all still better off than we were in 2000Nov 19 04:50
Mogzagainyes, the parasites keep parasiting ... but, whatever they're all doing, surely all of us need our energy to safeguard what matters, personally and togetherNov 19 04:50
cubexyzwe are allNov 19 04:50
schestowitzso they throw like billions at a repo "hub" that's losing moneyNov 19 04:50
schestowitzand azure losing moneyNov 19 04:50
schestowitz(azure has layoffs)Nov 19 04:50
Mogzagainthe negatives only bring depression and drain energiesNov 19 04:51
schestowitzjust to TRY -- to MAYBE ---  >ONE DAY< somehow take over the threatNov 19 04:51
schestowitzMogzagain: too much optimism lulls peopleNov 19 04:51
schestowitzand then end up "getting on with the show"... putting code on shithubNov 19 04:52
schestowitzi.e. donating their hard work to MicrosoftNov 19 04:52
schestowitzto help them farm the work and spy on users of itNov 19 04:52
schestowitzto undermine us collectivelyNov 19 04:52
MogzagainI have to say no to that. How I manage to function, what with all this 'linux' stuff, ill health, and what's going on this year, is to focus on anything that is positive, and give that the respect/time/effort ... so that then grows, and that is a strong resourceNov 19 04:52
schestowitzbeing combative helps us fight back against the reactionary infiltration attemptsNov 19 04:52
schestowitzso then we stand a chance thwarting the attacksNov 19 04:52
schestowitzwe also do positive postsNov 19 04:53
Mogzagainif we're talking about freedoms/privacy/respect, it has to be about brightening things, as rms did for 30 years, enabling privacy/freedom and enjoyable sharing and use of techNov 19 04:53
schestowitzbut "happy stories" aren't the majorityNov 19 04:53
schestowitzRMS didn't start with brightening thingsNov 19 04:53
schestowitzrather a cautionary taleNov 19 04:53
Mogzagainthose supporting shithub (I normally call it that too!) should be put to one side. remove code too, done jobNov 19 04:53
schestowitzabout the death of the "hacker culture"Nov 19 04:54
schestowitzwhich lost more and more peopleNov 19 04:54
schestowitzhe said he was the "last true hacker"Nov 19 04:54
schestowitz"survivor of a dead culture"Nov 19 04:54
schestowitzthat's hardly a motivational framingNov 19 04:54
Mogzagainbut e.g. if a dictatorship ruin a country, the good ppl go somewhere else, and all's wellNov 19 04:54
schestowitzhe said "I wish I had killed myself" (or not been born, not sure which, have to look that up)Nov 19 04:54
Mogzagainso wouldn't it be great to gather energies and see where the good stuf and the good ppl are best served, if things are so dire on 'linux' and everyone is so depressed that it's just miserable messages day in day outNov 19 04:55
schestowitzI don't share that beliefNov 19 04:55
schestowitzfirst, make more people push to delete githubNov 19 04:55
schestowitzI can't do it on my ownNov 19 04:55
Mogzagainand by brightening things, I don't necessarily mean saving 'linux', if it's so far gone ... I mean going somewhere elseNov 19 04:55
schestowitzmany in techrights push towards itNov 19 04:56
schestowitzbut we need thousands demanding itNov 19 04:56
schestowitzthat's why Microsoft reinstated youtube-dl for nowNov 19 04:56
schestowitzmany left githubNov 19 04:56
schestowitzsome made plans to leaveNov 19 04:56
Mogzagainso, ways to bypass things, new ways of using tech e.g. I now use RSS, minimum browser, not bookmarks in browser, spend more time offline, etc etcNov 19 04:56
schestowitzand fewer people signed up to the shit-hubNov 19 04:56
schestowitzso they needed a face-saving damage-controlling PR stuntNov 19 04:56
schestowitzsaying they "stand for devs"Nov 19 04:57
schestowitzthey stand for themselves"Nov 19 04:57
Mogzagainwhere are efforts best pointed to? if things are as bleak as everyone keeps saying, there must be other stuff to do, elsewhereNov 19 04:57
schestowitzto keep those devs turning into Microsoft's slavesNov 19 04:57
schestowitzyou mix two issuesNov 19 04:57
MogzagainI'm all for combat and post positively; done it plenty, but if you're doing that in the middle of mordor is that the happiest and most productive place to do that?Nov 19 04:57
schestowitzone is Free softwareNov 19 04:57
schestowitzanother is privacy etc.Nov 19 04:57
schestowitzthere's loosely connectedNov 19 04:58
schestowitzmotivational postings barely existNov 19 04:58
oiaohmschestowitz: there is something is simple to overlook.   github problem is not just a threat to open source.   Take valve the company that has had stuff hosted on github they now have there own gitlab.Nov 19 04:58
schestowitzin mainstream media they boil down toNov 19 04:58
schestowitz"we won, GitHub is used a lot!"Nov 19 04:58
Mogzagainmasybe it's my belief that if something comes to an end, there's a vacuum, and something new to do, that IS there, and just needs energies pulling out of the dying stuff and into what DOES respect/value ppl and privacy ... that's my questNov 19 04:58
schestowitz"be happy, Microsoft is our friend"Nov 19 04:58
schestowitzthese stories ENRAGE GNU/Linux usersNov 19 04:59
schestowitzthey don't motivate themNov 19 04:59
oiaohmThe fun old problem of conflit of interest.Nov 19 04:59
schestowitzbecause they're having their hard work raped by the very thing they sought to replaceNov 19 04:59
Mogzagainwe're not stuck with being online or with 'linux', ultimately ... the pc turns off and we have privacy/freedom, at this point at least ... but then that taps into much bigger issues too. so I realise what I say may sound ideal in some ways, but reading articles saying do it yourself, but big tech'll take over anyway, and we won't support you, didn't feel too helpful, or necessary, and honestly just makes life harderNov 19 05:00
MogzagainRMS has done an incredible job, all credit to him, forever inspiring, especially if he worked through such dark feelings in order to contribute so muchNov 19 05:00
Mogzagainit's hard; a big topic, what with how things are in the world too ... so it seems to come down to how privacy etc can be maintained, in whatever form, and ppl NOT giving in. there are billions of ppl, yet a small shithub/gvmts ... if every person removes their code from shithub, big effect ... etc etcNov 19 05:02
schestowitz[05:00] <Mogzagain> we're not stuck with being online or with 'linux', ultimately ... the pc turns off and we have privacy/freedom, at this point at least ... but then that taps into much bigger issues too. so I realise what I say may sound ideal in some ways, but reading articles saying do it yourself, but big tech'll take over anyway, and we won't support you, didn't feel too helpful, or necessary, and honestly just makes life harderNov 19 05:02
schestowitzspeaking of...Nov 19 05:02
schestowitzapropos..Nov 19 05:02
schestowitzre privacyNov 19 05:02
schestowitzthe much greater sin is,Nov 19 05:02
schestowitzpeople with android 'phones'Nov 19 05:02
schestowitzthose do far greater harm to privacy across many aspectsNov 19 05:02
schestowitzso if you want to talk about most people's privacy... well, many never go offlineNov 19 05:03
Mogzagainagain, everyone feels alone, you say you're doing it alone ... no; I avoid github, have no code on there, etc etc. many many ppl do their bit, yet we all feel alone with that. Nov 19 05:03
schestowitzthey literally put a spying device next to their pillow at nightNov 19 05:03
schestowitzfor alarm, notifications, who knows what elseNov 19 05:03
Mogzagainjust nobody knows anybody else is doing thatNov 19 05:03
schestowitzand Google uploads MEGABYTES of data overnightNov 19 05:03
oiaohmReally think how often google and apple and amozon voice assistant records people who are not the owner of the device.Nov 19 05:03
schestowitzwe need to compartmentalise a bitNov 19 05:03
Mogzagainms WANT the devs is why they did their recent message/actionNov 19 05:04
oiaohmIts one thing to have a device that spying on you that you agree to have it spy on.Nov 19 05:04
Mogzagainregardless of whether 'linux' loses more devs, which is on the devs of courseNov 19 05:04
schestowitzif we talk about gnu and shithub, then tuning a machine off and on isn't so much the thing to discuss, those are separate issuesNov 19 05:04
oiaohmIts a different matter to be spying on everyone near you who did not give permission.Nov 19 05:04
oiaohmReally good question how often are voice assistants techically breaking the law.Nov 19 05:05
Mogzagainhard to do the right things and see others not do that, so defaulting to 'I've got to do what I can to honour the freedoms and myself' is how many tread waterNov 19 05:05
schestowitz[05:04] <Mogzagain> regardless of whether 'linux' loses more devs, which is on the devs of courseNov 19 05:05
schestowitzwe get more devs during coronaNov 19 05:05
Mogzagainwaiting for others to join in ... maybe they will, the more invasive and miserable life out there getsNov 19 05:05
schestowitzI heard and saw numbersNov 19 05:05
schestowitzgithub has been waning for yearsNov 19 05:05
schestowitzMicrosoft embushed it for 4 yearsNov 19 05:05
schestowitzto let it grow moreNov 19 05:06
schestowitzafter codeplex diedNov 19 05:06
Mogzagainyes, ms is NOT our friend, only after what IT wantsNov 19 05:06
schestowitzskype lost its near monopolyNov 19 05:06
schestowitzgithub will be nextNov 19 05:06
schestowitzbut we can accelerate this processNov 19 05:06
schestowitzwith activism and shamingNov 19 05:06
schestowitzasking projects to pull off itNov 19 05:06
schestowitzand sometimes they doNov 19 05:06
schestowitzthe bigger the project, the betterNov 19 05:06
DaemonFC[m]The state's going to have another stay at home order.Nov 19 05:06
schestowitzbecause those are dependencies to many other projects. curl, perl...Nov 19 05:06
DaemonFC[m]We go into some sort of partial shutdown on Friday.Nov 19 05:07
oiaohm   I always like on here "Unlimited public/private repositories"   its not really a private repository when you are sharing it with Microsoft who in a lot of cases can be your competition in that market space.Nov 19 05:07
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Pricing · Plans for every developer · GitHubNov 19 05:07
Mogzagainoh don't even get me started on android, lolNov 19 05:07
Mogzagainold phone, no wifi, just callsNov 19 05:07
schestowitzDaemonFC[m]: goodNov 19 05:07
schestowitzbetter later than never Nov 19 05:07
schestowitzlook what happened in England, about 400 deaths a day nowNov 19 05:07
DaemonFC[m]schestowitz: Most states are going that way, even the ones that were making light of this before.Nov 19 05:07
DaemonFC[m]Now that it's back and killing fucking everyone, I suppose.Nov 19 05:08
Mogzagainyes, ppl need to simplify ... run a little free software alarm on the desktop, note it on paper, set an actual alarm clock!Nov 19 05:08
schestowitzMogzagain: so it's on the antennaNov 19 05:08
schestowitzthey follow your movementNov 19 05:08
schestowitzand can enable cam+mic remotelyNov 19 05:08
schestowitzas happens oftenNov 19 05:08
Mogzagainno smart ... how lazy do ppl have to be to buy into that?!Nov 19 05:08
schestowitzesp. when they think you're an "interesting" personNov 19 05:08
DaemonFC[m]I may move to a Pixelbook eventually.Nov 19 05:08
DaemonFC[m]Not this current batch though.Nov 19 05:08
Mogzagainyes, amazon ring, various devices ... all picking up on conversations/movements of those who NEVER gave permissionNov 19 05:09
schestowitzDaemonFC[m]: no lockdown = 9/11 per day around xmas timeNov 19 05:09
DaemonFC[m]With a processor refresh and some more refinement on the Linux container, I think it would be quite good.Nov 19 05:09
Mogzagainand do we hear that e.g. a burglary was thwarted, someone rescued from fire, etc, because of this crap smart invasive stuff ... nopeNov 19 05:09
schestowitzMogzagain: I socially distance myself from people who use "smart" thingsNov 19 05:09
schestowitzMogzagain: those things CAUSE firesNov 19 05:10
schestowitzand also help the police justify RAIDING homesNov 19 05:10
schestowitzit's safety for the regimeNov 19 05:10
Mogzagainyes, regarding more devs due to this year's changes ... had hoped they'd get more involved with the free software sideNov 19 05:10
schestowitznot for the userNov 19 05:10
schestowitzthe user isn't in control of itNov 19 05:10
DaemonFC[m]I found about $20 more in meat markdowns.Nov 19 05:10
Mogzagaingithub still had the power to remove youtube-dl and implement spying on private repos, so they seem to be powering onNov 19 05:10
DaemonFC[m]Surprises me that there are so many. There never used to be so many.Nov 19 05:10
schestowitzamazon has just recalled about 400,000 smart "ring" shite... after they caused many home firesNov 19 05:11
schestowitzit's beyond me how a camera can catch on fire... enough to burn down a houseNov 19 05:11
DaemonFC[m]schestowitz: I've never been eating better than I am now, to be honest.Nov 19 05:11
schestowitzAmazon has a product called "Kindle"Nov 19 05:11
schestowitzand "fire"Nov 19 05:11
DaemonFC[m]It's pretty cheap too. Guess people are just not buying a lot of meat for some reason.Nov 19 05:11
schestowitzwe know what "kindle" means in English...Nov 19 05:11
DaemonFC[m]Yeah, a bundle of firewood, right?Nov 19 05:12
schestowitzNow ring is like the ring in lord of the rings.... fietyNov 19 05:12
schestowitz*fieryNov 19 05:12
oiaohmschestowitz: cheap lithium ion batteries with the ring door bells.Nov 19 05:12
DaemonFC[m]PRECIOUS! Nov 19 05:12
Mogzagainwhy don't the very tech able do a series on how to block cam and mic, for exampleNov 19 05:12
DaemonFC[m]GOLLUM!!!! GOLLUM!!!!Nov 19 05:12
schestowitzno money in itNov 19 05:12
schestowitzthe VC for techNov 19 05:12
schestowitzmilitary fundsNov 19 05:12
schestowitz27 trillion national debtNov 19 05:12
schestowitz1.1 trillion for military PER  yearNov 19 05:13
schestowitzlast I checkedNov 19 05:13
schestowitzTrump increased itNov 19 05:13
DaemonFC[m]schestowitz: What do you think of the troop drawdown he just ordered from Iraq and Afghanistan?Nov 19 05:13
schestowitzso I'd imagine budget+black budget might be at 1.3 trillion a yearNov 19 05:13
Mogzagainyes, tech is to use against ppl, increasingly, instead of working WITH ppl for everyone's wellbeing and safetyNov 19 05:13
DaemonFC[m]The neoliberals are shitting themselves.Nov 19 05:13
schestowitzthey use that to stimulate tech 'companies'Nov 19 05:13
oiaohmschestowitz: lithium iron phosphate battery   don't catch fire no matter what happens.     They are slightly more expensive to make and have slightly less capacity.Nov 19 05:13
DaemonFC[m]Good, I suppose. Another right thing for the wrong reason.Nov 19 05:13
schestowitzbasically international espionage operationsNov 19 05:13
schestowitzto keep the US Army on top of who says what whereNov 19 05:13
schestowitze.g. by undermining 'hostile' (to US Empire) politicians by public shaming through espionageNov 19 05:14
oiaohmMost other lithium iron batteries can burn and you are depending on a BMC to make sure that does not happen.Nov 19 05:14
schestowitzRussia does that alsoNov 19 05:14
Mogzagaindevices that risk ppl's lives .. hopefully that wakes even more ppl upNov 19 05:14
DaemonFC[m]Trump is removing half of them "by January 20th".Nov 19 05:14
schestowitzbut its budget and reach is vastly lowerNov 19 05:14
DaemonFC[m]schestowitz: He plans to be gone, but he'll never admit that he lost.Nov 19 05:14
schestowitz[05:13] <DaemonFC[m]> schestowitz: What do you think of the troop drawdown he just ordered from Iraq and Afghanistan?Nov 19 05:14
schestowitzthey're relcoatedNov 19 05:14
schestowitzdispersed to other oil sourcesNov 19 05:14
oiaohmCheaper lithium ion batteries + cheap made BMC=ring door bell catch fire.Nov 19 05:14
schestowitzthey're not "coming back home"Nov 19 05:14
schestowitz[05:14] <Mogzagain> devices that risk ppl's lives .. hopefully that wakes even more ppl upNov 19 05:16
schestowitzxbox also burned down housesNov 19 05:16
schestowitzkilling babies at timesNov 19 05:16
schestowitzmicrosoft did not apologiseNov 19 05:16
schestowitzit was called "Nov 19 05:16
schestowitz"red ring of fire"Nov 19 05:16
schestowitziircNov 19 05:16
schestowitzI think because of LoTRNov 19 05:16
schestowitzserves people right for buying bad things... but the kids made not those choicesNov 19 05:17
MogzagainI can see the topic change, so no worries, need to take off anyway. If I can request e.g. an article on how non-tech ppl can ensure mic/cam is off, for example, would that be something good? and, again, no offense intended figosdev; just some very critical issues came up via reading the article, and, yes this negative monster is a big one, but what good things can we all do to cope and maintain privacy/freedom as much as possible? if main Nov 19 05:17
Mogzagainfigureheads are acting as if everything's lost already. Nov 19 05:17
schestowitzand for terraced houses/apartments there's a chance they'll also punish their neighbours, even kill themNov 19 05:17
Mogzagainthanks for your time, and no offense intended about any of this. stay safe. Nov 19 05:17
schestowitzchhersNov 19 05:18
Mogzagaincheers, and thanks for your work. Nov 19 05:18
Mogzagainall the best. Nov 19 05:18
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schestowitz Official Trump 2020 App collected phone numbers from contact lists without consent and could sell that data Nov 19 05:18
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | Official Trump 2020 App collected phone numbers from contact lists without consent and could sell that dataNov 19 05:18
oiaohmDid he process that data for working out how they connect to each other.Nov 19 05:20
oiaohmThere is a lot of horrible information in a data list like that.Nov 19 05:20
schestowitzDaemonFC[m]: Nov 19 05:25
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | As COVID Deaths Soar, El Paso at Breaking Point with Hospitals & Mobile Morgues Filling Up | Democracy Now!Nov 19 05:25
DaemonFC[m]I wonder what the California Consumer Privacy Act would have to say about that.Nov 19 05:25
DaemonFC[m]schestowitz: Trump already lost. They no longer have him to protect, and they might not be re-elected if they don't take this seriously when Trump's out of the way and people may come to their senses and look at their state governments.Nov 19 05:26
DaemonFC[m]schestowitz: Master's in Digital Currency from the University of Nicosia, you say?Nov 19 05:27
DaemonFC[m]Cuckoo Cuckoo....Nov 19 05:27
schestowitzwant to read my draft?Nov 19 05:30
DaemonFC[m]Uh, okayNov 19 05:31
schestowitzthanks, just a sec...Nov 19 05:32
schestowitzThis (reminds me of what you did to Samsung in a video re GPL) 19 05:33
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | Dolby Patents Are Being Used in Patent-Trolling Activity Against GNU/Linux, But Dolby is Said to Be a GPL Violator | TechrightsNov 19 05:33
schestowitzDaemonFC[m]: ^Nov 19 05:33
DaemonFC[m]Yeah, I managed to get the Busybox people after them too.Nov 19 05:33
schestowitz:-DNov 19 05:34
schestowitzthey hired compliance staffNov 19 05:34
schestowitzso we get more of the code back... code they employ staff to produce with millions in salaries... that's how Free software gets the upper handNov 19 05:35
DaemonFC[m]"Patents as a topic seem to be waning and it’s easily measurable, using a number of different criteria/yardsticks, e.g. number of lawsuits, number of articles and so on." > Patents, as a topic, seem to be waning, and it's easily measurable using a number of different criteria (e.g., number of lawsuits, number of articles, and so on).Nov 19 05:39
DaemonFC[m]That's all that's really jumping out at me.Nov 19 05:40
schestowitzthanks, I will correct thingsNov 19 05:47
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DaemonFC[m]This is troubling.Nov 19 05:49
DaemonFC[m]Google says a Nexus 5 signed into my account two hours ago.Nov 19 05:50
DaemonFC[m]I don't own a Nexus 5.Nov 19 05:50
schestowitzyou do NOWNov 19 05:50
schestowitzyou might want to read this:Nov 19 05:50
MinceRtime to change your password :>Nov 19 05:51
schestowitzvNov 19 05:52
schestowitz 19 05:52
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | Daniel Stenberg's (cURL) Twitter account compromised : programmingNov 19 05:52
DaemonFC[m]Okay, I figured it out.Nov 19 06:01
DaemonFC[m]That extension I use in Firefox to lie to Google that I totally forgot about.Nov 19 06:01
DaemonFC[m]They hand Chrome a version of Google with more features.Nov 19 06:01
DaemonFC[m]So that extension says it's Chrome on a Nexus 5.Nov 19 06:01
DaemonFC[m]schestowitz: Some porn spammer on Reddit invited me to some chatroom called date and fuck.Nov 19 06:02
DaemonFC[m]That place is just totally falling apart.Nov 19 06:02
schestowitzreddit a sinking ship?Nov 19 06:04
schestowitzwe always still have so-called 'hacker' so-called 'news' (HN)Nov 19 06:04
schestowitzDaemonFC[m]: can you spot typos: (published seconds ago)Nov 19 06:05
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | Techrights in an Age of Repeated Lockdowns Reality | TechrightsNov 19 06:05
DaemonFC[m]Wait, someone died?Nov 19 06:08
DaemonFC[m]Who?Nov 19 06:08
schestowitzthe datacentre guyNov 19 06:08
DaemonFC[m]Sorry to hear that.Nov 19 06:09
DaemonFC[m]schestowitz: The effectiveness of the COVID vaccines announced by Pfizer and Moderna is great news, if true.Nov 19 06:11
DaemonFC[m]The production capacity is not so great.Nov 19 06:11
DaemonFC[m]Even if they do meet their goal, and it's a two part vaccine, only about 675 million people in the entire world can get the vaccine in the next 14 months.Nov 19 06:12
DaemonFC[m]It'll slow it down. More so in the US, which will make sure that it gets the majority of those doses.Nov 19 06:12
schestowitzyou assume it is effectiveNov 19 06:12
DaemonFC[m]But you can't convince people to take a vaccine that they don't trust.Nov 19 06:12
schestowitzthey hardly even tell the ages of the test subjectsNov 19 06:13
DaemonFC[m]Well, based on the published studies, it appears as though it is. Nov 19 06:13
DaemonFC[m]I admit it sounds almost too good to be true, other than the production capacity.Nov 19 06:13
DaemonFC[m]We'd need much, much more capacity.Nov 19 06:13
schestowitzmehNov 19 06:13
schestowitzsounds like artificial scarcity trickNov 19 06:14
schestowitzto prop up pricesNov 19 06:14
DaemonFC[m]It would need to be provisioned to the people at the highest risk of infection and death.Nov 19 06:14
schestowitzand lower production to increase demandNov 19 06:14
schestowitzthe whole thing has red flagsNov 19 06:14
schestowitzand this is a really scummy companyNov 19 06:14
schestowitzwhich has financial misconductNov 19 06:14
DaemonFC[m]1.3 billion doses in a year seems like a lot to me.Nov 19 06:14
schestowitzits own head dumped the sharesNov 19 06:14
schestowitzafter this announcementNov 19 06:14
schestowitzso you assume even the leadership doesn't believe in itNov 19 06:15
schestowitzthough it bumped up the shares momentarilyNov 19 06:15
schestowitzRussian now tests its own vaccineNov 19 06:15
schestowitzby the same people who make itNov 19 06:15
schestowitz[03:26] [Notice] -TechrightsSocial to #boycottnovell-social- My general baseline is, after #covid19 there's no "going back to normal" (office space and city centre living investments will PLUNGE) and for the next 2-3 years there will be no >effective< vaccination of any kind, mostly falsely-marketed (for false hope/profit) mass-produced junk   Nov 19 06:15
schestowitz[11:01] [Notice] -viera to #boycottnovell-social- Dr. Roy Schestowitz (罗伊): How NOT to test #vaccines : Russia’s #coronavirus vaccine trials are conducting their own studies of its effectiveness []Nov 19 06:16
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schestowitzmaybe those can lessen the chance of deathNov 19 06:17
schestowitzbut that does not say muchNov 19 06:17
schestowitzlessen by how much? 5%?Nov 19 06:17
schestowitzany side effects?Nov 19 06:17
schestowitzshort term?Nov 19 06:17
schestowitzlong term?Nov 19 06:17
schestowitzwill that work in 6 months also as the virus mutates?Nov 19 06:17
schestowitzwas it tested in young people?Nov 19 06:17
schestowitzwhat were the controlsNov 19 06:17
schestowitzand the test conditions?Nov 19 06:17
schestowitzDid they reintroduce the subjects to covid, as many are in covid wards in hospitals?Nov 19 06:18
schestowitzthey likely produce some optimal conditionsNov 19 06:18
schestowitzhelps their stock go higherNov 19 06:18
schestowitzoxford/astrazeneca/gates withdrewNov 19 06:18
schestowitzwithout even explaining whyNov 19 06:18
schestowitzthe detailsNov 19 06:18
schestowitzso apparently it was far too embarrassingNov 19 06:18
schestowitzand they gave this to a lot of peopleNov 19 06:19
schestowitzof course expressing such opinions is bound to get one slandered as "antivaxx"Nov 19 06:19
schestowitzbecause all supposed vaccines are 100%  legitNov 19 06:19
schestowitzeven those made in a  rush in 5 months and and not 5 years, with actual testingNov 19 06:20
schestowitzthe actual antivaxxer will be having a day field soonNov 19 06:20
schestowitzif all those experimental vaccine turn out to have obvious side effectsNov 19 06:20
schestowitzor prove to be less than reasonably effectiveNov 19 06:20
schestowitzgnNov 19 06:21
schestowitzlaters, need a napNov 19 06:21
DaemonFC[m]I read that the only side effect deemed severe that occurred in more than 2% of people was some fatigue after the second dose.Nov 19 06:24
DaemonFC[m]Bill Gates had an odd comment about anti-maskers.Nov 19 06:24
DaemonFC[m]"What are these people? Like nudists or something?".Nov 19 06:24
DaemonFC[m]He compared it to not wanting to wear pants.Nov 19 06:24
DaemonFC[m]Yeah, totally comparable.Nov 19 06:24
DaemonFC[m]I usually have trouble breathing unless I can go around in public without my pants on.Nov 19 06:25
DaemonFC[m]The masks are an annoyance.Nov 19 06:25
DaemonFC[m]Being in the hospital with COVID would be more of an annoyance, which is why I say I fucking hate the masks but I wear them. Beats the alternative.Nov 19 06:26
MinceRunfortunately, bill gates is much more than an annoyanceNov 19 06:26
DaemonFC[m]MinceR: So most people are wearing the masks.Nov 19 06:26
DaemonFC[m]Then where is all this COVID coming from?Nov 19 06:26
oiaohmschestowitz: Virus does not have to mutate if it stays around long enough human immune system will forget.Nov 19 06:26
MinceRwell, here people don't give a fuckNov 19 06:27
MinceRthe government is testing how hard they can abuse the situationNov 19 06:27
MinceRthe rest of the people act as if nothing was going onNov 19 06:27
MinceRso it shouldn't be a surprise that despite their efforts to avoid testing and to misrepresent deaths (or just lie about them), even the official numbers show extreme spreadNov 19 06:28
DaemonFC[m]I had some ibotta rebates for that Tom's of Maine mouthwash.Nov 19 06:30
DaemonFC[m]So I looked at it at Walmart. Almost $6 for a bottle that's not really big.Nov 19 06:30
DaemonFC[m]And with all this stuff about being "all natural", I noticed there were no active ingredients anywhere.Nov 19 06:30
DaemonFC[m]Colgate bought them out in 2006 and is running them to sound like some mom and pop.Nov 19 06:31
DaemonFC[m]They promote overpriced products to the woo woo people.Nov 19 06:32
DaemonFC[m]Like toothpaste without any fluoride in it.Nov 19 06:32
oiaohmFun fact is a few flu strains have been around the world more than once without mutation due to human immune forgetful ness.Nov 19 06:32
DaemonFC[m]More than a few.Nov 19 06:35
DaemonFC[m]There's thousands, so yeah, it's just a question of which few crowd out the rest each year.Nov 19 06:35
MinceRone of these days the nazi chucklefucks reported more known new cases than tests performedNov 19 06:37
MinceRbut hey, a large chunk of the population is still in favor of these dangerous idiotsNov 19 06:37
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vZS1schestowitz: Re: taking your IPFS node offline. I maintain a full mirror so you shouldn't have to worry about your node going offline for a while. I do a lot of experiments on my node but it's generally online 24/7.Nov 19 08:39
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schestowitzvZS1: ok, cheersNov 19 09:16
schestowitzvZS1: we might be adding text-only versions for IRC logsNov 19 09:21
schestowitzthe code is in placeNov 19 09:21
schestowitzjust need to decide whether to include it and, if so, in what schemeNov 19 09:21
schestowitzmaybe even one single file for all channels, split for each channelNov 19 09:22
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vZS1schestowitz: I'd keep separate channels in separate files. Makes processing easier for readersNov 19 09:57
vZS1Especially if it's plaintextNov 19 09:57
schestowitzokNov 19 10:02
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schestowitzanon hq?Nov 19 13:23
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schestowitz"Petition on the Office's proposal for a new Salary Adjustment Procedure (SAP)Nov 19 13:34
schestowitzThe online petition is CLOSED!Nov 19 13:34
schestowitzWe would like to thank all members who have participated in this online petition for their support, views, opinions and, above all, their time.Nov 19 13:34
schestowitzSUEPO CentralNov 19 13:34
schestowitz"Nov 19 13:34
schestowitzit's doneNov 19 13:34
schestowitz"You have elected your representatives to your Local Staff Committee (LSC) in June. The four LSCs in turn have elected the following representatives to the Central Staff Committee (CSC). The CSC has held its constituting meeting on 7 July 2020."Nov 19 13:36
schestowitz'Nov 19 13:41
schestowitz The Medium-Term Business Plan (2021-2025) - Your Future, No FutureNov 19 13:41
schestowitzThe Finance Department and DG1 management are currently finalizing, behind closed doors, the Medium-Term Business Plan (2021-2025) which will shape the future of the work in DG1.Nov 19 13:41
schestowitzThe 2019 Financial Study with its overconservative assumptions and its non-existent financial gap was used to justify a cut of your purchasing power with the new salary adjustment procedure. The freeze in recruitment until 2024 means that you will be expected to increase productivity steeply. Thus, the study is now used together with the pandemic to justify an increase in the production pressure.Nov 19 13:41
schestowitzThe freeze in recruitment renders both the orientation paper on recruitment (CA/100/19) and the programme “Attract Talent” almost meaningless. The EPO will let highly experienced examiners and formalities officers leave without any possibility of knowledge transfer to new recruits. In addition, the upcoming reform of the education-related benefits and childcare allowance will not only harm EPO staff again and create a significant Nov 19 13:41
schestowitzamount of unrest, it will further reduce the number of applications for future recruitments.Nov 19 13:41
schestowitz"Nov 19 13:41
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DaemonFC[m]MinceR I'm guessing that if they posted more positive results than tests, they're using the Ohio 2004 electoral strategy.Nov 19 14:36
DaemonFC[m]More voters seem to approve of the party than registered voters living in those precincts.Nov 19 14:37
schestowitz"Nov 19 14:37
schestowitz Institutionalised injustice: Freedom of speech confirmed by the Appeals CommitteeNov 19 14:37
schestowitzThe internal Appeal Committee has recently found that the Office was wrong in refusing the publication of two documents in 2016, i.e. a presentation and an open letter to PD4.3. The President of the Office has decided to follow the unanimous opinion of the Appeals Committee. As a result, almost four years later, the documents can now be published on the Intranet.Nov 19 14:37
schestowitzWe consider it legitimate to inform you without further delay about the basic principles of freedom of speech unanimously confirmed by the Appeals Committee.Nov 19 14:37
schestowitzThe case illustrates the incontrovertible fact that the delays in the internal justice system make judicial redress of abuse of power by the Administration an illusory exercise in many cases, especially in cases of censorship.Nov 19 14:37
schestowitzYou can find more details in this paper.Nov 19 14:38
schestowitzSincerely yours,Nov 19 14:38
schestowitzThe Central Staff CommitteeNov 19 14:38
schestowitz"Nov 19 14:38
DaemonFC[m]My guess is that those votes they keep finding in Georgia are just local Republican officials that are trying to say they keep finding flash drives until Trump wins the state.Nov 19 14:38
schestowitzDaemonFC[m]: with georgia green, can (d) dominate all 3 avenues?Nov 19 14:38
DaemonFC[m]Hallelujah it's a miracle.Nov 19 14:38
schestowitzwh, senate congress?Nov 19 14:38
DaemonFC[m]schestowitz, You want my opinion on the special Senate runoff elections?Nov 19 14:39
schestowitzbecause that would be karmaric for gop over trumpism chaos they went along withNov 19 14:39
schestowitzDaemonFC[m]: not thatNov 19 14:39
schestowitzI want to know if democrats can still dominate the higher, lower and central 'houses'Nov 19 14:39
DaemonFC[m]I'd say Republicans will most likely win both seats, but at an enormous cost.Nov 19 14:39
DaemonFC[m]That's probably why they're pissed.Nov 19 14:39
DaemonFC[m]I think the more realistic expectation for the Senate is that Republicans end up with a two seat majority in the Senate but then they lose it in a 50/50 split next cycle.Nov 19 14:41
DaemonFC[m]Kamala Harris will be the busiest Vice President in decades halfway in.Nov 19 14:41
DaemonFC[m]The Democrats have watched their agenda back up for over a decade at that point and they'll whip the vote and make hay while the sun is shining.Nov 19 14:42
DaemonFC[m]Which is what they should have done last time, but Harry Reid was just awful leadership.Nov 19 14:43
DaemonFC[m]schestowitz, there's some wildcards with the House. Trump rigged the Census and we just don't know how badly yet. He had Census workers in red states stuffing people who don't exist into empty houses.Nov 19 14:44
DaemonFC[m]To affect apportionment.Nov 19 14:44
DaemonFC[m]On the flip side, the Republicans can't gerrymander like they did last time.Nov 19 14:45
schestowitzhaNov 19 14:46
schestowitz"Nov 19 14:46
schestowitzThe Office has started supplying home-office equipment in large quantity and facilitating its ordering for staff (see "From survey to action"). We welcome the commitment to a more ergonomic workplace at home. Nonetheless, we all need to start thinking about possible consequences such a switch to home office might entail, before being confronted with a "fait accompli".Nov 19 14:46
schestowitzThis paper should give you some food for thought.Nov 19 14:46
schestowitz'Nov 19 14:46
schestowitzEPO still working from homeNov 19 14:46
schestowitzalmost 100% nowNov 19 14:46
DaemonFC[m]A Census worker in Indiana is on the record saying orders from on high were that if she couldn't get a response she was supposed to punch in random occupancy data into her tablet and move on to the next.Nov 19 14:46
schestowitzoh, ouchNov 19 14:46
schestowitzso data-gathering gets them garbage dataNov 19 14:47
schestowitzreminds me of many such exercisesNov 19 14:47
schestowitzwhere you then see people dealing with garbage like a scienceNov 19 14:47
DaemonFC[m]Yeah, what we don't know is were they doing that in every state or just padding the count where Republicans can use it to gain power?Nov 19 14:48
schestowitzseems soNov 19 14:49
schestowitzbogus mapsNov 19 14:49
schestowitzfor false demographyNov 19 14:49
schestowitzwhen you see when the popular voter never aligns with electorsNov 19 14:49
schestowitzideally it ought to be a very good surrogate, when things average outNov 19 14:49
schestowitzso the disparity is evidence of mischiefNov 19 14:50
schestowitzTHAT is the election fraudNov 19 14:50
schestowitzgiving some constituents more power than othersNov 19 14:50
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DaemonFC[m]Actually, Trump did better in the popular vote than the electoral vote.Nov 19 15:08
DaemonFC[m]He still would have lost if they lines up perfectly, but oddly, by a lower margin.Nov 19 15:08
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vZS1I haven't implemented something based on a specification in ages. This project is refreshingNov 19 15:14
vZS1The RSS 2.0 spec mentions SOAP. Haven't seen that one in ages.Nov 19 15:15
DaemonFC[m]The Orange Nazi's Christmas gift to Americans is letting unemployment benefits expire the day after for 12 million workers who were left unemployed by the pandemic economy.Nov 19 15:21
DaemonFC[m]He figures that if he can ruin the economy and leave people in a huge mess, that he can get one over on Joe Biden.Nov 19 15:21
DaemonFC[m] 19 15:21
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | 12 Million To Lose Jobless Benefits The Day After Christmas Unless Congress Acts : NPRNov 19 15:21
DaemonFC[m]Not that it should be an important issue, but it's worth asking.... How many of them voted for him and are going to be seriously harmed by this? Manual labor with no college degree was his base, so I'm guessing 60% of these people supported him.Nov 19 15:23
MinceR(audio:important) 19 15:24
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Teenage Challenge - Top Gear - Series 13 - BBC - YouTubeNov 19 15:24
schestowitzDaemonFC[m]: Nov 19 15:26
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | Georgia Runoffs: How You Can Help Flip the Senate | Common Dreams ViewsNov 19 15:26
DaemonFC[m]schestowitz: I suppose there's also the possibility that the Fed raises rates during a recession just to hurt Biden, but I see it as unlikely.Nov 19 15:28
DaemonFC[m]Those big banks and corporate America don't want higher rates.Nov 19 15:28
DaemonFC[m]And neither do Republicans, honestly. It makes it unpalatable to unleash vast amounts of cheap money on THEIR pet projects. Nov 19 15:28
MinceR 19 15:35
DaemonFC[m]Looked like Ted Cruz in the thumbnail.Nov 19 15:36
DaemonFC[m]"Like Wolverine fucked a meatloaf."Nov 19 15:36
schestowitzKids, MinceRNov 19 15:36
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Second stimulus check: GOP will move forward with stimulus once Trump exits, Biden says - al.comNov 19 15:41
schestowitzahaNov 19 15:44
DaemonFC[m] 19 15:46
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Users of this popular torrent service could be subpoenaed for watching one movie | TechRadarNov 19 15:46
DaemonFC[m]You can file a lawsuit against Doe defendants.Nov 19 15:46
DaemonFC[m]Unmasking them is a totally different story.Nov 19 15:47
scientesschestowitz, I thought Georgian Runoff was when it rains too hard here in BatumiNov 19 15:47
DaemonFC[m]If you never figure out who they are, doesn't matter much, does it?Nov 19 15:47
DaemonFC[m]Neither one of the Republican candidates is happy about this. They have to run again and potentially lose, and they have to spend a bunch of money that they otherwise could have held onto for 2026.Nov 19 15:48
DaemonFC[m]Trump caused the runoff to begin with.Nov 19 15:48
DaemonFC[m]Although they'll both likely win, he did so poorly in Georgia that he dragged them down into rematch territory. Nov 19 15:49
schestowitz● NEWS ● #CommonDreams ☞ ‘Who Wants to Break the News to Him?’ #Trump Silent After #GOP Effort to Block #Election Certification in #Michigan Thwarted Trump to get heart attack soon?Nov 19 15:49
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | 'Who Wants to Break the News to Him?' Trump Silent After GOP Effort to Block Election Certification in Michigan Thwarted | Common Dreams NewsNov 19 15:49
schestowitz[15:46] <DaemonFC[m]> You can file a lawsuit against Doe defendants.Nov 19 15:50
schestowitzSo it's a faux vpnNov 19 15:50
schestowitzthe basic idea is,Nov 19 15:50
schestowitzthey should not logNov 19 15:50
DaemonFC[m]Not really. They don't log.Nov 19 15:50
schestowitzand such subpoenaes would be mootNov 19 15:50
schestowitzPIA had that done to themNov 19 15:50
schestowitzbut they could not comply, had no logsNov 19 15:50
DaemonFC[m]That's going on here is that these people are sending subpoenas out blindly. Nov 19 15:51
DaemonFC[m]But PIA has nothing to turn over to the court.Nov 19 15:51
scientesyep, always best to avoid liability by just not keeping recordsNov 19 15:51
DaemonFC[m]You know, they may be unmasked in some other way, I suppose.Nov 19 15:51
scientesthey can't get information if you don't have itNov 19 15:52
DaemonFC[m]The "free" VPNs are the ones you have to be really afraid of.Nov 19 15:52
DaemonFC[m]Including Opera's, which says it logs you in the fine print.Nov 19 15:52
schestowitzthey are MORE spyingNov 19 15:52
scientesthis is why "governments" keep asking people to keep recordsNov 19 15:52
schestowitzthey ask you to route traffic to MONETISENov 19 15:52
schestowitzyou pay them = they give serviceNov 19 15:52
scientesbut they don't have any reason at all for keeping those recordsNov 19 15:52
DaemonFC[m]Right, running a VPN isn't cheap.Nov 19 15:52
scientes*for asking others to keep those recordsNov 19 15:52
schestowitzthey pay you or give it freedom = you are their productNov 19 15:52
schestowitzFB tried itNov 19 15:53
DaemonFC[m]There's no way Opera does a free browser with a free VPN.Nov 19 15:53
schestowitzand it backfired factNov 19 15:53
schestowitz*fastNov 19 15:53
schestowitzDaemonFC[m]: opera is malwareNov 19 15:53
schestowitzand I've long ridiculed their vonNov 19 15:53
scientesand the answer should be, "why don't you keep the records if you want", we will send you all the real-time, and you can spend all that moneyNov 19 15:53
schestowitzthey're a chinese company nowNov 19 15:53
scientesand amazingly enough, they actually do that......Nov 19 15:53
schestowitzvpn should be presumed spywareNov 19 15:53
DaemonFC[m]It seems like Netflix may be in trouble anyway, MinceR Nov 19 15:53
scientesand spend extreme amounts of money on itNov 19 15:53
DaemonFC[m]They're scuttling all of their best shows because they cost a fortune to write and produce.Nov 19 15:54
schestowitzis netflix >actually< profitable?Nov 19 15:54
DaemonFC[m]Eventually it'll be crap.Nov 19 15:54
scientesthere is this great movie, Lives of Others, about East Germany's secret policeNov 19 15:54
scientesyou really have to transcode everything to DVD format if you want it a format that is resiliantNov 19 15:55
scientesand then its a huge waste of space, as they would fit on CD with a more modern (but also more computationally expensive) codecNov 19 15:56
DaemonFC[m]schestowitz: It might be after they kill off Altered Carbon. Lost in Space, and all the other good stuff that has production costs and fill it with Sharknado movies again.Nov 19 15:56
scientesand also optical disks are horribly prone to scratchingNov 19 15:56
DaemonFC[m]:)Nov 19 15:56
MinceRDaemonFC[m]: too late, the "open web" is dead alreadyNov 19 15:58
MinceRNETFUCKS' death won't bring it backNov 19 15:58
scientesNetflix is a single point of failureNov 19 15:58
scienteswhile DVD was a massive successNov 19 15:58
scienteseven if DivX was a superior codecNov 19 15:58
scientesand since you can't sell anything that isn't BETTER, we are just going to have to live with DVDNov 19 16:00
MinceR(cat) (audio) 19 16:00
scientesas the single way of consuming video en mass going into the future (along with actual photographic films)Nov 19 16:01
DaemonFC[m] 19 16:01
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | Trump campaign drops Michigan election lawsuit, Rudy Giuliani saysNov 19 16:01
DaemonFC[m]Guiliani's antics in court are not impressing judges. I hear he spent half the day arguing about something he deleted from the complaint in Pennsylvania, and then the judge refused to side with him, stating that he couldn't consider something that was not part of the complaint anymore.Nov 19 16:02
DaemonFC[m]And Trump pays this fucking idiot $20,000 a day.Nov 19 16:02
scientesEspecially as I don't think Blu-ray players can play H264/H265 videos on DVD or CD media in DVD quality (480p).Nov 19 16:03
scientesI believe they are strictly "upgrade" technology, except that writable blu-ray disks never really happened in the way that DVD (single-layer only) and CD was a massive success.Nov 19 16:03
scientesboth original 640mb and 700mbNov 19 16:04
schestowitzMinceR: first time I see such a battleNov 19 16:05
DaemonFC[m] 19 16:06
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | Tesla stock hits all-time intraday highNov 19 16:06
DaemonFC[m]You don't need to lose money to be on the S&P 500, but it sure helps.Nov 19 16:06
MinceR:>Nov 19 16:06
DaemonFC[m]:)Nov 19 16:06
CrystalMathhonestly i can't believe michigan voted for democratsNov 19 16:09
CrystalMathafter what that governor didNov 19 16:10
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CrystalMathi can't even believe there was one voteNov 19 16:10
scienteswe also don't have decent alternative CD format, that also encodes to be more resiliant to scratchingNov 19 16:10
MinceRCDs are badly designedNov 19 16:11
MinceRthe data storage layer is sensitive to oxygen and it's only protected by a layer of lacquer from one sideNov 19 16:11
MinceRthey fixed this in DVDNov 19 16:12
scienteshow did they fix it in DVD?Nov 19 16:14
scientesand if that is a physical problem, they why can't they just manufacture CDs with the same technology?Nov 19 16:14
scientesI mean, many old CD players cannot play CD-Rs, but only the real mass-produced CDs.Nov 19 16:14
scientes(why is that? I'm curious)Nov 19 16:15
MinceRthey have another plastic disc in place of the lacquerNov 19 16:15
MinceRin part so that it can be double-sidedNov 19 16:15
MinceRit would probably make CDs thicker than allowed by specNov 19 16:15
MinceR(or the distance of the storage layer from the laser/lenses would be wrong, making it unreadable)Nov 19 16:16
DaemonFC[m]In theory, nothing stops you from producing a CD with the hard coating developed for Blu Ray discs.Nov 19 16:16
DaemonFC[m]Not sure anyone does.Nov 19 16:16
scientes<MinceR> it would probably make CDs thicker than allowed by specNov 19 16:16
scientesI don't think this would be a practical problemNov 19 16:16
MinceRit wouldNov 19 16:17
scientesexcept maybe in those ones without traysNov 19 16:17
MinceRit would break slot-in readers/players, for exampleNov 19 16:17
DaemonFC[m]Many CDs violate redbook and play in most stuff anyway.Nov 19 16:17
scienteshahaha, we had the same thoughtNov 19 16:17
MinceRit would probably also break CD changersNov 19 16:17
MinceRalso, it would make CDs a bit more expensiveNov 19 16:17
scientesyeah, I could never afford that "first world problem" stuffNov 19 16:17
MinceRand human industry will break everything to save a fraction of a centNov 19 16:18
scientesMinceR, dude, many countries have CD-R taxesNov 19 16:18
MinceRyeah, it goes to the MAFIAANov 19 16:18
DaemonFC[m]All the more reason to get large capacity flash drives and store the files as WavPack Extra High x6.Nov 19 16:18
MinceRhere they put a tax on flash drives tooNov 19 16:19
scientes<MinceR> and human industry will break everything to save a fraction of a centNov 19 16:19
DaemonFC[m]On 1 TB? You could store well over 1,500 CDs in lossless that way.Nov 19 16:19
tr_guest|53802We need a Steve Ballmer type to lead the free software movement. Benjamin Mako Hill worked for Ubuntu and created codes of conduct and is receiving awards. So count that snowflake out! Alexandre Oliva works for IBM. Richard Stallman wants us to vote for Joe Biden and thinks that President Trump is committing election fraud. So let's assume he just Nov 19 16:19
tr_guest|53802turned senile. I want to still admire the young master hacker rms.Nov 19 16:19
scientesa penny saved is a corner placed in the responsibility of someone elseNov 19 16:19
CrystalMathtr_guest|53802: i said that a few days agoNov 19 16:20
CrystalMathwhy don't we have our own Steve BallmerNov 19 16:20
CrystalMathsomeone so excited and ethusiastic about software freedomNov 19 16:21
CrystalMathindeed Benjamin Mako Hill is an SJWNov 19 16:21
CrystalMathbut the rest of the FSF board + Richard Stallman are notNov 19 16:21
MinceRtr_guest|53802: what for? the free software movement is dying anywayNov 19 16:21
CrystalMathi would not cut off Stallman because of his political opinion, he was always a hippieNov 19 16:21
CrystalMaththat's his thingNov 19 16:21
MinceRthe only thing steve ballmer was enthusiastic about was crimeNov 19 16:22
CrystalMathMinceR: the free software movement isn't dyingNov 19 16:22
scientesYes, RMS is not a SJWNov 19 16:22
MinceRyes it isNov 19 16:22
CrystalMathwhat evidence do you have of this?Nov 19 16:22
MinceRLinux was taken over by microshitNov 19 16:22
MinceRFSF was taken over by SJWs who cancelled RMSNov 19 16:22
scientesMinceR, and systemd, aparentlyNov 19 16:23
CrystalMathMinceR: both falseNov 19 16:23
MinceRmost distros were taken over by IBM/RHNov 19 16:23
CrystalMathokay, that one is true :PNov 19 16:23
MinceRthe OSI was also subvertedNov 19 16:23
scientesMinceR, and systemd, aparantlyNov 19 16:23
CrystalMathcorporate linux is now a realityNov 19 16:23
CrystalMathbut that doesn't mean you have to use it!Nov 19 16:23
CrystalMathwe're in a better position now than we were in 1987Nov 19 16:23
MinceRthe GPL is all but defeated via the IPC hole and via the LF methodNov 19 16:23
MinceRSJWs have infested many formerly free projectsNov 19 16:23
CrystalMaththe IPC hole... actually noNov 19 16:24
MinceRwe didn't know in 1987 that we didn't have a futureNov 19 16:24
MinceRpatents are only ever enforced against usNov 19 16:24
CrystalMaththe Oracle v. Google ruling actually showed that the GPL has the power to even extend to an APINov 19 16:24
MinceReven if the claim is indefensibleNov 19 16:24
schestowitzMinceR: what? you don't have patents/ ;-)Nov 19 16:24
CrystalMaththe GPL apparently has magical powersNov 19 16:25
MinceRour hardware is ever more locked down, and free software locked out of itNov 19 16:25
CrystalMaththat is of course a problemNov 19 16:25
CrystalMathbut since it started in the 90sNov 19 16:25
CrystalMathit's not newNov 19 16:25
schestowitz[16:22] <MinceR> FSF was taken over by SJWs who cancelled RMSNov 19 16:26
schestowitzRMS opposes CoCNov 19 16:26
schestowitzand last month he told me thatNov 19 16:26
schestowitzhe took pride in rejecting this nonsenseNov 19 16:26
CrystalMathactually, i think that you don't fully understand the FSF situationNov 19 16:26
schestowitzas it's an assault on free speechNov 19 16:26
schestowitzwhich is basically what they 'got' him for, eventually...Nov 19 16:26
CrystalMathRMS still has incredible influence on itNov 19 16:26
MinceRRMS supports cancerdNov 19 16:26
MinceRand cancerd is killing GNUNov 19 16:26
CrystalMathi can actually explain it, but i think the idea is for the SJWs to not know about this trickNov 19 16:26
CrystalMathso i won't write it out hereNov 19 16:27
schestowitzhe doesn't support itNov 19 16:27
schestowitzhe's afraid that condemning it would cause a stormNov 19 16:27
schestowitzhe's afraid of many thingsNov 19 16:27
MinceRhe has never spoken out against it, only in favor of itNov 19 16:27
MinceRthat is supportNov 19 16:27
schestowitzfor the consequences of themNov 19 16:27
MinceRand the storm would be preferable to just throwing away our OS and our freedomNov 19 16:27
schestowitzin 2012 or thereabouts I convinced him to write against UbuntuNov 19 16:27
schestowitzso he didNov 19 16:27
schestowitzafter micah lee had done that in EFFNov 19 16:27
schestowitzand that cost himNov 19 16:27
schestowitzubuntu 'fans' were not happyNov 19 16:28
schestowitzbecause rms... 'radical'Nov 19 16:28
schestowitzamazon spying... apps... cool.!Nov 19 16:28
schestowitztotally not radicalNov 19 16:28
vZS1There are plenty of Linux distributions that don't run systemd as the default init systemNov 19 16:28
schestowitz"scope" is not radicalNov 19 16:28
schestowitz"just bizniz"Nov 19 16:28
schestowitzvZS1: but how long for?Nov 19 16:28
schestowitzmany things stop supporting thoseNov 19 16:28
schestowitzfirefox already rejects alsaNov 19 16:29
schestowitzso you need to use lennartPulseAudioNov 19 16:29
schestowitzor elseNov 19 16:29
schestowitzit was similar with FlashNov 19 16:29
vZS1It depends on what kind of user you are. Gentoo and Void both do a lot without systemdNov 19 16:29
schestowitzAdobe TrashNov 19 16:29
schestowitzthe monoculture metastasise Nov 19 16:29
MinceRvZS1: far more that doNov 19 16:30
schestowitzand they don't bother with modularity that facilitates alternativesNov 19 16:30
vZS1We can't stop people from using systemdNov 19 16:30
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schestowitzvZS1: they ended up having to make eudevNov 19 16:30
MinceRbut can we stop people from forcing cancerd on other people?Nov 19 16:30
schestowitzmore developer time/effortNov 19 16:30
MinceRhedrat doesn't let you chooseNov 19 16:30
psydroidwe can stop people from wanting to be used by systemdNov 19 16:30
MinceRthey took over deadian and removed the optionNov 19 16:30
MinceRthey killed debian so they could force cancerd on usersNov 19 16:31
vZS1Then use something that isn't DebianNov 19 16:31
schestowitzwhile it lastsNov 19 16:31
schestowitzgentoo is already weakNov 19 16:31
schestowitzvoid... have not heard of it in monthsNov 19 16:31
schestowitzand I read news all day longNov 19 16:31
MinceRvoid is working surprisingly wellNov 19 16:32
vZS1Void is active. They just don't post muchNov 19 16:32
vZS1It's basically BSD strapped onto Linux.Nov 19 16:33
vZS1They have their own init system and package management tools.Nov 19 16:34
vZS1It's a good alternativeNov 19 16:34
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vZS1To the Debian hegemonyNov 19 16:35
DaemonFC[m]No KDE option in Void, it appears.Nov 19 16:36
MinceRwell, runit isn't really their own, afaict :>Nov 19 16:36
DaemonFC[m]I'm probably not going to ever look at GNOME again unless I see something that tells me they have their shit together enough to notice breaking things that take away half the performance of their compositing manager and leak gigabytes of RAM.Nov 19 16:37
DaemonFC[m]So, never, probably.Nov 19 16:37
MinceRlook at xfce, lxqt and fvwm instead :>Nov 19 16:37
DaemonFC[m]KDE is working well.Nov 19 16:37
vZS1I don't use DEs so I wouldn't knowNov 19 16:37
DaemonFC[m]Or maybe I just got so used to GNOME running like warmed over shit that it's just relatively better.Nov 19 16:37
DaemonFC[m]Either way....Nov 19 16:37
schestowitzyes, KDE is quite solidNov 19 16:38
DaemonFC[m]It's really disgusting that GNOME has turned into the bastard offspring of Windows 10 and the Mac.Nov 19 16:38
MinceRKDE went to hell with 4.0Nov 19 16:38
schestowitzI rarely encounter bugs in it anymoreNov 19 16:38
MinceRand stayed thereNov 19 16:38
schestowitzthose that exist are cosmetic, not severeNov 19 16:38
DaemonFC[m]Windows 10 bloat and unreliability and telemetry fused to the Mac's unusable interface = GNOMENov 19 16:38
schestowitzvZS1: you don't use a DE?Nov 19 16:39
schestowitzwhat WM do you use?Nov 19 16:39
schestowitzopenbox?Nov 19 16:39
schestowitzfluxbox?Nov 19 16:39
vZS1 19 16:39
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | KDE - Void Linux HandbookNov 19 16:39
schestowitzMinceR: the latest KDE is not badNov 19 16:39
MinceRi doubt thatNov 19 16:39
schestowitzif you have the hardware specsNov 19 16:39
vZS1schestowitz: Awesome wmNov 19 16:39
schestowitzah,rightNov 19 16:39
MinceRbut anyway, putting KDE on top of void should be easy with bedrock :>Nov 19 16:39
superkuhgnome24lifeNov 19 16:40
schestowitzeven first gnome was betterNov 19 16:40
schestowitzi used gnome when it was very newNov 19 16:40
schestowitzthe logo was uglyNov 19 16:40
MinceRwell, GNOME went to hell sometime around 2.0Nov 19 16:40
schestowitzbut it generally did all the basicsNov 19 16:40
superkuhNah, it was fine till 3.Nov 19 16:40
MinceR0.x/1.x was pretty good, iircNov 19 16:40
schestowitzwithout trying to be "like mac"Nov 19 16:40
schestowitzand the ux cargo cultNov 19 16:40
vZS1You can still use KDE software with a window managerNov 19 16:41
MinceR2.x was already "let's remove functionality so we don't confuse users"Nov 19 16:41
schestowitzbtw, in Daily Links you still see the old GNOME fish iconNov 19 16:41
schestowitzand in IRC logs it's the GNOME icons alsoNov 19 16:41
schestowitzthose were still current when we started those sections in 2008Nov 19 16:41
vZS1I like awesome wm because it does floating and tiling.Nov 19 16:42
schestowitzkde plasma works also with openboxNov 19 16:42
schestowitzinstead of kwin, iircNov 19 16:42
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vZS1Also, the awesome wm config file is in Lua which is nice. I'd rather use a real programming language for config instead of a half-baked DSL.Nov 19 16:48
vZS1Works across BSD and LinuxNov 19 16:49
MinceRlisp?Nov 19 16:49
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vZS1Lisp is still better than something like YAMLNov 19 16:50
MinceRalso better than luaNov 19 16:50
vZS1I don't mind LuaNov 19 16:50
vZS1It's a simple languageNov 19 16:50
vZS1Does the jobNov 19 16:51
vZS1Good documentation. Easy to look up syntax and libraries.Nov 19 16:52
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DaemonFC[m]Guiliani's legal argument appears to be they made us stand 6 feet away while they counted the votes in Philadelphia, so you should throw the entire election out and order them to appoint Trump electors.Nov 19 17:00
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CrystalMathwhat?Nov 19 17:01
CrystalMathi heard that they didn't let republicans look at allNov 19 17:02
CrystalMathand even boarded up windowsNov 19 17:02
MinceRyou heard it and believed itNov 19 17:03
CrystalMaththere was a video tooNov 19 17:03
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MinceRwow, i didn't know that half of the establishment of one of the most powerful states on earth had access to the technology to make videosNov 19 17:09
MinceRit boggles the mind.Nov 19 17:09
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XRevan86MinceR: Was it trying to look like a vertical "vacuum" cleaner or like a fan?Nov 19 17:30
MinceRthe latterNov 19 17:30
XRevan86Hm, then the leg is kind of weird.Nov 19 17:30
XRevan86Not a stable platform.Nov 19 17:31
scientesreminds me of the vacuum cleaner is space ballsNov 19 17:31
scientesbut geeze, who tries to make fake fans?Nov 19 17:31
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scientesjust get one of those box fansNov 19 17:31
scienteswhenever the temperature goes above a certain level home depot would sell those things like pancakesNov 19 17:32
scientesstick them at the front of the store and they just disappearNov 19 17:33
scientes 19 17:33
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | Box Fans - Fans - The Home DepotNov 19 17:33
scientesgiant boxes of box fansNov 19 17:33
scientesa bit noisy, but they certainly workNov 19 17:34
scientesnot really the quality of computer fans thoughNov 19 17:34
schestowitz[17:31] <scientes> but geeze, who tries to make fake fans?Nov 19 17:34
schestowitzfan fansNov 19 17:34
scientesschestowitz, spot fanning the fansNov 19 17:35
schestowitzI was gonna say that nextNov 19 17:35
schestowitzsomething about fanning the flames if humourNov 19 17:36
schestowitz*ofNov 19 17:36
scientesand why are we talking about fans when its so damn cold and rainy outsideNov 19 17:36
scientesI want a raincheck on this conversation until springNov 19 17:36
MinceRthere are heating fans :>Nov 19 17:36
scientesMinceR, you are in the southern hemisphereNov 19 17:37
MinceRnoNov 19 17:37
scientesoh HungaryNov 19 17:38
scientessorry, confused with oiaohm Nov 19 17:38
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scientesI think I lost the color coding of nicksNov 19 17:39
scientesso everyone is blue nowNov 19 17:39
scientesI liked how it would hash the nicks and then do colorsNov 19 17:39
scienteshelped distinguish peopleNov 19 17:39
DaemonFC[m]schestowitz: I disagree about the mass deaths not affecting corporate profits as much as the shutdowns.Nov 19 17:40
MinceR"Did I ever tell you my favorite color was blue?"Nov 19 17:41
scientesok I have colors on in the users boxNov 19 17:41
scientesbut not the channel boxNov 19 17:41
DaemonFC[m]Directly? They will hurt, but indirectly, the fertility rate in the US has crashed.Nov 19 17:41
scienteshmm, still no colorsNov 19 17:43
DaemonFC[m] 19 17:43
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | Declining birth rates linked to secularization, diminished faith - The Christian PostNov 19 17:43
DaemonFC[m]Yeah....sure....okay.Nov 19 17:43
scientesDaemonFC[m], niceNov 19 17:43
DaemonFC[m]Couldn't be because everyone is fucking broke and the church always wants your money and never offers to help.Nov 19 17:43
scientesthey should change their name to the Pope John Paul II PostNov 19 17:44
scientes*Paul VINov 19 17:44
scientesgod damn, they all have the same namesNov 19 17:44
MinceRwhat a tragedy, their projects of "Let's Outbreed All The Other Insane Cults" and "Cover Earth In Several Layers Of Human Bodies" will take a bit longer than expectedNov 19 17:45
DaemonFC[m] 19 17:46
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | Consumer companies bracing for a Covid baby bustNov 19 17:46
MinceRwho cares about quality of life, when you can force more quantity?Nov 19 17:46
DaemonFC[m]Remember when they said the stay at home would be a baby boom 9 months later?Nov 19 17:46
scientes 19 17:46
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-South Park- Gay Pile - YouTubeNov 19 17:46
DaemonFC[m]I told my mom, "Well, the sales of condoms skyrocketing would imply otherwise, but okay. We'll see.".Nov 19 17:46
schestowitz[17:40] <DaemonFC[m]> schestowitz: I disagree about the mass deaths not affecting corporate profits as much as the shutdowns.Nov 19 17:46
schestowitzmany of the dead are pensionersNov 19 17:47
schestowitzthey might even get rid of post-career liabilitiesNov 19 17:47
schestowitzif all those "old people" just die in drovesNov 19 17:47
DaemonFC[m]"In recent years, as the birth rate has lagged, consumer giants have turned to making premium products to appeal to wealthier parents."Nov 19 17:47
DaemonFC[m]Slap a different label on it. Charge more!Nov 19 17:47
schestowitz[17:43] [Notice] -TechrightsBot-tr to #techrights- | Declining birth rates linked to secularization, diminished faith - The Christian PostNov 19 17:47
schestowitzThey say it like it's a bad thingNov 19 17:47
schestowitzalso, the first time I read that as sterilisationNov 19 17:48
schestowitzrather than secularizationNov 19 17:48
scientesis that a christian the onion site?Nov 19 17:48
schestowitzthey denounced TrumpNov 19 17:48
schestowitzits editor didNov 19 17:48
DaemonFC[m]"And the births may not just be delayed. The Brookings report forecast that the permanent loss of income stemming from the pandemic will keep some people from having any children even after the crisis subsides."Nov 19 17:48
DaemonFC[m]duh doyNov 19 17:48
schestowitzthey got flak and praise for doing soNov 19 17:48
scientesnah, not a parody siteNov 19 17:49
DaemonFC[m]"In recent years, as births in the U.S. and China have slowed, consumer giants have turned their attention to selling premium baby items. Procter & Gamble, for example, is making diapers that don’t use tape or that mimic the fit of pants. Last year, Huggies introduced Special Delivery, a premium diaper that is made from plant-based materials and is free of parabens, fragrance and elemental chlorine."Nov 19 17:49
DaemonFC[m]Even though there was never any evidence that those substances caused any harm, and by not using them they save money and increase prices.Nov 19 17:49
scientesOh man, that is the best South Park episode everNov 19 17:49
DaemonFC[m] 19 17:51
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | Coronavirus: Dr. Fauci says vaccinating people who disregard Covid as 'fake news' could be 'a real problem'Nov 19 17:51
DaemonFC[m]Why? They spread it back and forth to each other at that point.Nov 19 17:51
DaemonFC[m]Then round about all the deaths are idiots. Nov 19 17:51
schestowitzcbncNov 19 17:51
schestowitzthat puts gates as flag bearerNov 19 17:51
schestowitzno wonder people don't want the vaccinesNov 19 17:51
MinceR 19 17:51
schestowitzhe's doing more harm than goodNov 19 17:51
schestowitzfor personal gainNov 19 17:51
scientesschestowitz, he is doing good?Nov 19 17:52
scientesthat is newsNov 19 17:52
MinceRindeedNov 19 17:52
DaemonFC[m]You can tell the second season of Lost in Space had a budget cut.Nov 19 17:52
DaemonFC[m]It's a whole season of bottle episodes kind of.Nov 19 17:52
schestowitzall the productions have cutsNov 19 17:54
schestowitzmusic alsoNov 19 17:54
schestowitzconcerts brought much incomeNov 19 17:54
schestowitzeven physical salesNov 19 17:54
schestowitznow.. no concerts, no studio meetings.. and people have less money to spendNov 19 17:54
schestowitzon the Internet they can get that same stuff for freeNov 19 17:55
DaemonFC[m]schestowitz: And the money they have to spend is pretty much all directed at Walmart and Amazon.Nov 19 17:55
DaemonFC[m]So they're fine.Nov 19 17:55
schestowitzmovies and audio... movie theatres and concernsNov 19 17:55
schestowitzconcerts are BIG moneyNov 19 17:55
DaemonFC[m]They took a much bigger share of a smaller pie, so the disaster was great business.Nov 19 17:55
schestowitz*concerns -> concertsNov 19 17:55
DaemonFC[m]Walmart shares up over 33% since March.Nov 19 17:55
DaemonFC[m]I'd say it's a solid investment. They always do better in bad economies.Nov 19 17:56
schestowitzwhen your rivals are shut downNov 19 17:56
schestowitzthey keep openNov 19 17:56
DaemonFC[m]Yeah, exactly.Nov 19 17:56
schestowitzGates invests in Walmart alsoNov 19 17:56
schestowitz no wonder he got so much richer so fastNov 19 17:56
schestowitzbut... he says he's giving it all awayNov 19 17:56
schestowitztripled his wealth since thenNov 19 17:56
schestowitzthe media doesn't put it like thatNov 19 17:56
DaemonFC[m]I think with meat being the most expensive part of the grocery budget, the fact that they have so much of it lately, on the shelves, getting ready to go bad, sold to me for 30-40% off because it's on the last day.Nov 19 17:56
DaemonFC[m]Really tells you where we are. People are shifting spending away from going heavy on the meat.Nov 19 17:57
schestowitznot for health reasonsNov 19 17:57
schestowitzbudgetNov 19 17:57
schestowitzand all those premium items like "prepared" mealsNov 19 17:57
DaemonFC[m]Yesterday they had marked down organic free range chicken to $3.44 a pound down from like $7, and then I had two rebates, so I used them, and got it to like $3 or something per pound.Nov 19 17:58
schestowitzmaybe people might also learn - gasp - how to cookNov 19 17:58
schestowitz"free range" but deadNov 19 17:58
DaemonFC[m]schestowitz: Yes, I freeze it all and then I grab some veggies and canned goods and spices and use the slow cooker.Nov 19 17:58
schestowitzwith eggs they at least keep the chicken alive for longerNov 19 17:58
DaemonFC[m]Those slow cookers are very energy efficient. Nov 19 17:59
schestowitzok, bblNov 19 17:59
DaemonFC[m]It costs about three times as much to bake something in the oven for an hour as it does to run the slow cooker on low for 8 hours. Nov 19 17:59
oiaohmDaemonFC[m]: depends on oven.  Its somewhere between a half to 1/3 using a slower cooker.Nov 19 18:02
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | Is a slow cooker a money saver?Nov 19 18:02
oiaohmSo its not always 3 times as much.   Some ovens have pure horrible efficiency Nov 19 18:03
oiaohmMind you some of your pressure cookers that you can so call used like a slow cooker have worst power efficiency than using a oven.Nov 19 18:04
DaemonFC[m]"Electricity costs around 15p (28¢) per kWh"Nov 19 18:04
DaemonFC[m]Not quite so much in Illinois.Nov 19 18:04
oiaohmThat was good oven vs good slow cooker and its still a 50% saving going the slow cooker.Nov 19 18:05
DaemonFC[m]Between supply and delivery, taxes, and fees, it works out to about 12-14 cents per, depending on how much you use. Nov 19 18:05
DaemonFC[m]Now, that can vary greatly depending on which areas of the country you're in.Nov 19 18:05
DaemonFC[m]I think Massachusetts was like 36 cents per, last I looked.Nov 19 18:06
DaemonFC[m]So you'd be opening an electric bill almost three times bigger if you moved there, but your taxes are higher and rents are outrageous. Nov 19 18:06
DaemonFC[m]Illinois is a mess, but the thing about messes is you can always make a bigger one.Nov 19 18:06
DaemonFC[m]MinceRknows.Nov 19 18:07
oiaohmAustralia general home rate is about 33c AUD.Nov 19 18:07
DaemonFC[m]The electric company here has fixed and variable rates.Nov 19 18:07
oiaohmThat is roughly 24C at the moment.Nov 19 18:07
oiaohmas in USANov 19 18:07
DaemonFC[m]Generally, if your electric use is relatively low and/or you can't shift usage, stay on the fixed rate.Nov 19 18:07
oiaohm36cents USA price is a hell of a lot.Nov 19 18:08
DaemonFC[m]Now if you start throwing things like charging an electric car and running all sorts of energy hog appliances, and can do that at night.....Nov 19 18:08
DaemonFC[m]Might be worth it to do real time or time of day pricing. Nov 19 18:08
oiaohmDo note that general 33c AUD is the adverage.Nov 19 18:11
oiaohmLot of ways here in Australia if you are charging cars you can be better using what is called Secondary tariffs.   They are the ones where you 18 hours of power per day.  Yes relay causing the circit to be without power for 6 hours a day.Nov 19 18:17
oiaohmThat 18c AUD per kWh Nov 19 18:18
DaemonFC[m]The state's bizarre and random COVID-19 actions concern me much more than the virus.Nov 19 18:27
MinceR(cat) 19 18:27
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | IRCZ makes your life worth living Post object (4819337)Nov 19 18:27
DaemonFC[m]The governor can go fuck himself, honestly.Nov 19 18:30
DaemonFC[m]I'm going to do whatever it is I damned well please.Nov 19 18:30
DaemonFC[m]I'm not even sure I can bring myself to vote for him again.Nov 19 18:30
DaemonFC[m]I might vote for the Libertarian candidate, honestly.Nov 19 18:31
DaemonFC[m]I have voted for minor parties before, but normally when it's nothing important or when there's no Republican on the ballot to challenge the Democrat.Nov 19 18:32
DaemonFC[m]I expect Pritzker to win another term, maybe, but maybe not.Nov 19 18:32
DaemonFC[m]It seems like support for the Democratic Party in Illinois is realigning itself to Chicago and its suburbs exclusively, and receding a little bit.Nov 19 18:33
DaemonFC[m]But they should have no trouble holding majorities. Nov 19 18:33
DaemonFC[m]That's really bad news for downstate when you think about itNov 19 18:34
DaemonFC[m]They won't be in any position to make demands on the state government.Nov 19 18:35
DaemonFC[m]I think Pritzker knows that, and that's why he's focused his more unpopular COVID orders on them even when there's a much worse problem up here.Nov 19 18:35
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DaemonFC[m]MinceR: Speaking of Nazi Chucklefucks, that's one reason why I renewed Mandy's work permit as early as I did.Nov 19 18:59
DaemonFC[m]I anticipated Trump not taking the loss very well and trying to gum things up really bad on the way out.Nov 19 19:00
DaemonFC[m] 19 19:01
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | Democratic incumbent Sean Casten declares victory over Jeanne Ives - Chicago Sun-TimesNov 19 19:01
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Police Car Challenge (Part 1) | Top Gear - YouTubeNov 19 19:03
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DaemonFC[m]"Do I know any good lawyers? No. But I do know Rudy Giuliani."Nov 19 19:09
DaemonFC[m]That South Park joke just keeps getting better.Nov 19 19:10
scientesXRevan86, English also has inflection with 1, 2, 3, vs 1st, 2nd, 3rdNov 19 19:11
scientesand English speakers get that rightNov 19 19:11
XRevan86scientes: Not sure if I'd consider that an inflection.Nov 19 19:12
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scientesbut it isNov 19 19:12
DaemonFC[m]The English speaking world has a lot of infections too. :)Nov 19 19:12
scientesthe number is modify a noun in the second, while it is the noun in the firstNov 19 19:12
DaemonFC[m]Not surprising. The more native English speakers, the more climate deniers there are in a country.Nov 19 19:13
scientes*modifyingNov 19 19:13
XRevan86scientes: Well, yea, like -ing, -s, -ed, etc.Nov 19 19:13
scientesdamn, all this spanish is making me losing my -ing tenseNov 19 19:13
XRevan86scientes: "third", "fourth" are adjectives first.Nov 19 19:13
scientesexcept a number is on a number lineNov 19 19:14
scientesfor some reason I see it as related to inflectionNov 19 19:14
scienteslike Charles VNov 19 19:15
XRevan86Well, it is.Nov 19 19:15
scientes*his* fifth reignNov 19 19:15
XRevan86English has some basic inflections. Like "going" is inflective and "will go" is not.Nov 19 19:16
XRevan86It's not like English doesn't have inflections, it's poor on inflections.Nov 19 19:17
XRevan86What English does lack is declensions, except for pronouns.Nov 19 19:17
scientesMy thoughts here are basically because of my Russian lessons are forcing me to think about these thingsNov 19 19:17
scientesand also I only know up to 3rd in Spanish because they are never phonetically written in anything I come accrossNov 19 19:19
scientes1ro 2do 3ro ?Nov 19 19:19
scientesanyways....Nov 19 19:19
scientesnot importantNov 19 19:19
scientesalways stick to the phonetics and you are best offNov 19 19:20
XRevan86Which has an interesting consequence, as one can say "him killed she" and one could piece together who killed whom, but with "Oleg killed Martha" it's completely on the word order.Nov 19 19:20
scientesXRevan86, good pointNov 19 19:20
scientesso in Russian you can use either other in both casesNov 19 19:20
scientes*orderNov 19 19:20
XRevan86Yes, because the words are *inflected* to reflect their function in a sentence.Nov 19 19:21
scientesor rather their significance in a sentenceNov 19 19:22
scientesthe sentence is the thought, not the wordNov 19 19:22
MinceRfifth of his nameNov 19 19:22
scientesMinceR, thanks for correcting meNov 19 19:23
XRevan86nouns I meanNov 19 19:23
scientesyeah, but the sentence has the function, and the word does not function without the sentenceNov 19 19:23
scienteswhatever, I am being pedanticNov 19 19:24
MinceRwell, it was a reference to aSoIaF :>Nov 19 19:24
XRevan86Everything has a function :)Nov 19 19:24
XRevan86scientes: If the words have no function, what are they doing in your sentence, hmm? :DNov 19 19:24
scientesI would like to remove mis-use of = and "function" from *my* special computer languageNov 19 19:24
scienteswith <- and procNov 19 19:25
XRevan86scientes: I like the use of "function" to mean pure (mathematical) functions.Nov 19 19:25
scientesso the mathmatecians stop rolling in their gravesNov 19 19:25
XRevan86So if a subroutine has no "side-effects", it can be considered a function.Nov 19 19:25
XRevan86So "function" can be a sort of constraint, a guarantee. Like in Nim.Nov 19 19:26
scientesXRevan86, exactly, func is syntactic sugar for something like proc [pure]Nov 19 19:26
scientesexcept that so far, the whole reason I need to write a new language is that the whole langauge would be pureNov 19 19:27
scientesso that current compilers are just too messy with all their impurities, and then trying to optimize that garbageNov 19 19:27
scientesgarbage-in-garbage-out is the problemNov 19 19:27
XRevan86No one's ever tried to write a functional programming language before, that's for sure.Nov 19 19:28
scientesXRevan86, can't call it that, because that is what Haskell isNov 19 19:28
scienteswhat it is is a non-turing-complete programming languageNov 19 19:28
scientesbecause the limits to state are always defined (even if you support the polyhedral model, so that those limits can scale, and are abstracted to a given circumstance)Nov 19 19:29
scientes*support polyhedral optimizationsNov 19 19:29
scientesbecause if a machine is deterministic, it always have a limited amount of state it can storeNov 19 19:31
scientesand if the numbers of states it can represent are finite, it doesn't satisfy Turing's "infinite time and space" requirement. Now that counterexample is not sufficient because you still have more states that there are atoms in the universe, but it is a starting point.)Nov 19 19:32
scientes<scientes> because if a machine is deterministic, it always have a limited amount of state it can storeNov 19 19:34
scientesthis does not followNov 19 19:34
scientesit goes the other way----determinism means it is possible to model all possible states of a machineNov 19 19:35
scientesor something narrower: a machine's memory capacity is the number of deterministic states in which it can existNov 19 19:38
scientesor entropyNov 19 19:38
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oiaohmscientes: BPF in the Linux kernel is a not turning complete language.Nov 19 19:39
oiaohmIts particularly design that it cannot loop for ever.Nov 19 19:39
scientesoiaohm, if I take a man and cut off his balls, does he cease to be a man?Nov 19 19:41
oiaohmscientes: testing for if a programing language is turing complete requires going into the insane theory world of infinite memory.   So infinite number of storeable states.Nov 19 19:46
scientesoiaohm, you are saying that the language cannot loop for everNov 19 19:46
scientesexcept it canNov 19 19:46
oiaohmebpf cannot loop for ever.Nov 19 19:46
scientesit is just that Linux cuts off the balls of every program, before it runs itNov 19 19:46
oiaohmebpf has to use defined counted loops.Nov 19 19:47
oiaohmOk could be like a billion timesNov 19 19:47
oiaohmbut there is a limit.Nov 19 19:47
scientesexactlyNov 19 19:47
oiaohmYou can calcucate a max run time.Nov 19 19:47
scientesthe limit can be so high that it ceases to be a limitNov 19 19:48
oiaohmA turning complete language you cannot.Nov 19 19:48
scientes<oiaohm> You can calcucate a max run time.Nov 19 19:48
scientesyes, that is all you can doNov 19 19:48
oiaohmThat is the key difference.Nov 19 19:48
scientesand doing that is VERY difficultNov 19 19:48
oiaohmWhen you get into these infinity theories.Nov 19 19:48
scientesbecause the approach is wrongNov 19 19:48
oiaohmthings get horrible.Nov 19 19:48
scientesyes, because no-body knows how to do itNov 19 19:49
scientesthey are all doing it wrongNov 19 19:49
scientes<oiaohm> You can calcucate a max run time.Nov 19 19:49
scientesyou actually cant really do this either, because the memory heirarchy is so complicatedNov 19 19:50
scienteslets say you are working in a virtual machine, so you have page tables of the parent kernel tooNov 19 19:50
scientesand you cause a page faultNov 19 19:50
oiaohmThat is because you are adding turning complete parts.Nov 19 19:51
scientesor you do a mis-aligned read that straddles a page boundryNov 19 19:51
oiaohmHaving a programing language that is not turing complete.    Means if you are opearting on something that is also not turing complete you get predictable results.Nov 19 19:52
scientesand then you read your swap from a SSD that implements 512B blocks on top of 4KB flash erase blocks, in a propritary firmware that only the vendor has the source toNov 19 19:52
oiaohmAs soon as you start saying not predictable results you have normally added something turing completeNov 19 19:53
oiaohmWhen you are doing real-time computing work for medical items and the like you are attempting to avoid a lot of turing complete stuff.Nov 19 19:54
scientesoiaohm, and that medical device uses a firmware locked power adapterNov 19 19:54
scientesso that when a single capacitor goes belly up they can change the hospital for a whole MRI machineNov 19 19:55
scientesthere was a state senator (black) who was asking the lobbiest "so you want me to be your slave?"Nov 19 19:55
oiaohmI understand the firmware locked power adapterNov 19 19:56
oiaohmon some designs of MRINov 19 19:56
scientesin a Right to Repair hearingNov 19 19:56
oiaohmDue to the fact that the software for the MRI has to be calibrated feed voltages to get correct images.Nov 19 19:56
oiaohmSo swaping the power adapter without recalibrating can give incorrect to dangerous actions in that case.Nov 19 19:57
oiaohmNow the issue there is not allowing people to get the recalibration software to undo the lock.Nov 19 19:58
oiaohmscientes: I agree that there need to be right to repair laws.   I also understand that there need to be cases where device detects something changes and locks self down until correct steps are done.Nov 19 19:59
oiaohmI do not agree with the cases were you cannot get the correct steps todo.Nov 19 20:00
oiaohmscientes: its also like some audio gear.   Like some high grade microphoens where when 1 part breaks so it functions exactly right you need to replace 8 other still working parts because the 9 parts have been custom calibrated to be a matched set.Nov 19 20:14
oiaohmThat with the microphones is not firmware locked its where you replace one bit and you have extra hiss or something else that should not be there because they are no longer a matched set.Nov 19 20:15
oiaohmsome devices are just down right picky electronically.Nov 19 20:16
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-TechrightsBot-tr/ | Treasury moves to end several crisis-era programs, drawing pushback from the FedNov 19 22:09
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schestowitzDaemonFC[m]: ouchNov 19 22:29
schestowitzIt's almost like the country doesn't care about the real economy, only Wall Street (oligarchs)Nov 19 22:30
DaemonFC[m]Yeah, the ones propping billionaires up are all he wants to extendNov 19 22:33
schestowitz:-)Nov 19 22:34
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Anonymous Mode · qbittorrent/qBittorrent Wiki · GitHubNov 19 22:43
DaemonFC[m]Worth doing on the later versions if you use a VPN.Nov 19 22:43
DaemonFC[m]It can turn off a few bits that can more precisely identify your client.Nov 19 22:43
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DaemonFC[m]Those copyright lawyers are still pretty vicious about the big label back catalog.Nov 19 22:49
vZS1Here's the thingNov 19 22:54
vZS1Clever pirates make tiny modifications to filesNov 19 22:55
vZS1So the SHA1 in the magnet link is always up in the airNov 19 22:56
vZS1On top of that, with DHT, you can't really do much unless you are just going to go after every IP address you seeNov 19 22:57
oiaohmvZS1: sometimes not that tiny modifications like using hdmi to camera capture device to capture something protected.Nov 19 22:58
vZS1And most of those end up being dead ends because it's some person in El Salvador or somethingNov 19 22:59
schestowitzwhy that country?Nov 19 22:59
schestowitzthe stigma of crime?Nov 19 22:59
schestowitzI doubt many there do digital thingsNov 19 22:59
schestowitznot of any level of sophistry Nov 19 23:00
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oiaohmschestowitz:  Its a common country to proxy from.Nov 19 23:01
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Proxies from El Salvador |PremProxy.comNov 19 23:01
vZS1It was just a random country that popped into my headNov 19 23:01
vZS1No particular reasonNov 19 23:02
oiaohmMostly due to not having a lot of laws for tracing though.Nov 19 23:02
vZS1Packet inspection doesn't really work either because P2P traffic breaks everything into fragmentsNov 19 23:02
vZS1You're actually more likely to get caught using a VPN because a VPN  can use telemetry without your knowledgeNov 19 23:04
oiaohmReally I would say most likely not tracing back to a El Salvador person but tracing back to a country like El Salvador with lax laws that the lawyer cannot using local police to get any more informationNov 19 23:04
*DaemonFC[m] sent a long message: < >Nov 19 23:04
DaemonFC[m]---Nov 19 23:04
DaemonFC[m]Another one goes splat.Nov 19 23:04
*superkuh shakes his head at matrix.Nov 19 23:05
superkuhAll we see is, ...pGveDRaHItSkeqqjMTVKH/message.txtNov 19 23:05
vZS1Looks like a hashNov 19 23:06
superkuhIt's a URL to a .txt of the message. It's a terrible system.Nov 19 23:07
superkuhBut yeah, that part of it.Nov 19 23:07
vZS1I prefer content-based addressingNov 19 23:07
superkuhI Just didn't want to spam the entire spammy thing again.Nov 19 23:07
vZS1Gets rid of ambiguityNov 19 23:07
superkuhTangential, 19 23:08
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | Broadband/Wideband AntennaNov 19 23:08
oiaohmvZS1:   the horrible part is there is a nasty answer ISP can do to p2p as what was done here don'Nov 19 23:08
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Telstra tests P2P throttling, deep packet inspection | ZDNetNov 19 23:08
oiaohmt care what is going by p2p just filter the lot.Nov 19 23:08
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-TechrightsBot-tr/ | Microsoft Pluton is a new processor with Xbox-like security for Windows PCs - The VergeNov 19 23:08
vZS1Someone on my ignore list is sharing ZDNetNov 19 23:09
vZS1That'll be why you're on my ignore listNov 19 23:09
superkuhThere are a few decent people left at zdnet.Nov 19 23:09
vZS1Go ahead with your "deep packet inspection" of the entire internet. What a trollNov 19 23:09
vZS1There were decent people in the Nazi party. Doesn't mean it didn't need eradication.Nov 19 23:10
oiaohmsuperkuh: not exactly sure if that pluton is going to be new thing really.   Thinking trenchboot in server world starts first.Nov 19 23:10
superkuhThat was a quick Godwin.Nov 19 23:11
oiaohm   Its this thing used in Azure.Nov 19 23:11
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-documentation/ at master · TrenchBoot/documentation · GitHubNov 19 23:11
schestowitz[23:09] <vZS1> Someone on my ignore list is sharing ZDNetNov 19 23:12
schestowitzit's OK to link to ZDCrap to ridicule itNov 19 23:12
schestowitz 19 23:12
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | ZDNet - TechrightsNov 19 23:12
schestowitz[23:11] <superkuh> That was a quick Godwin.Nov 19 23:13
schestowitzto hell with GodwinNov 19 23:13
schestowitzthe analogy was suitable and not offensive to oiaohm in any wayNov 19 23:13
vZS1My point stands Godwin or notNov 19 23:13
schestowitzmany things can be brought up in a discussionNov 19 23:13
schestowitzlike someone's motherNov 19 23:14
schestowitzor nationalityNov 19 23:14
schestowitzWhy should Nazis get a special treatment?Nov 19 23:14
superkuhHey man. I don't make the rules. Godwin's law is godwins law. I respect the usenet ways.Nov 19 23:14
schestowitzas if to vainly discourage people from such analogiesNov 19 23:14
schestowitzthe "law' says what it likely to happenNov 19 23:14
schestowitzmany discussions get heated and end up talking about blacksNov 19 23:14
superkuhIf it's not clear yet, I'm just joking around.Nov 19 23:14
schestowitzshould we make a law about that too?Nov 19 23:14
schestowitzsuperkuh: yeah :-)Nov 19 23:15
schestowitzbut figosdev especially hates thatNov 19 23:15
schestowitzbecause nazis analogies have their placeNov 19 23:15
oiaohm   This is the telstra sales sheet to sell deep packet inspection to business customers.Nov 19 23:15
schestowitzin this particular case it's not even an insult to anyoneNov 19 23:15
schestowitzthe insinuation is that someone will be called a naziNov 19 23:15
vZS1Didn't actually call a person that. More an organisationNov 19 23:16
superkuhWhew boy. OKay, no more godwin jokes here. Got it.Nov 19 23:16
schestowitz:-)Nov 19 23:16
vZS1ZDNet and its ilk are technology fascistsNov 19 23:16
schestowitzi think it's OK mentioning nazisNov 19 23:16
oiaohmLot of people think deep packet inspection has to go inside packets.Nov 19 23:16
schestowitzwithout mike godwin being brought upNov 19 23:16
schestowitzlike he was some brilliant mind for pointing it outNov 19 23:16
schestowitzI mentioned nazis just 1-2 hours agoNov 19 23:17
oiaohmBut what telstra is up to is we will work out the applicaiton traffic pattern and boost, cripple, or block it.Nov 19 23:17
schestowitzbecause iBM is again playing word eradication gamesNov 19 23:17
schestowitzwhile deflecting as usualNov 19 23:17
vZS1superkuh: not really bothering me with the whole Godwin thingNov 19 23:17
vZS1Just making clearNov 19 23:17
superkuhOk.Nov 19 23:17
schestowitz:-)Nov 19 23:17
schestowitzI call trump something "nazi" a lotNov 19 23:17
schestowitzbecause the analogies often wordNov 19 23:17
vZS1I used an analogy I thought was appropriateNov 19 23:17
schestowitzand tick the boxesNov 19 23:17
schestowitz*workNov 19 23:18
schestowitzvZS1: maybe until there's a "law" about Trump we can compare to Trump regime insteadNov 19 23:18
oiaohmAlso did not help that Trump hung around with people who basically call themselves Nazi as well.Nov 19 23:18
schestowitz[23:10] <vZS1> There were decent people in the Trump regime party. Doesn't mean it didn't need eradication.Nov 19 23:18
vZS1One need only see forced and involuntary sterilisation of people in those immigrant campsNov 19 23:19
vZS1Under the Trump administrationNov 19 23:19
vZS1Let me find the linkNov 19 23:20
vZS1Hold onNov 19 23:20
schestowitzthere's also nytimes with the inside in the trump regime in the whNov 19 23:21
schestowitzsaying he tried to reform themNov 19 23:21
schestowitzand acted like a moleNov 19 23:21
schestowitziirc, one devout catholic member in the nazi party plotted to assassinate hitlerNov 19 23:21
schestowitzfor being against what he perceived his religion to be preachingNov 19 23:21
schestowitzand there may have been othersNov 19 23:21
schestowitzbut still, that does not make the party ok, which was the original pointNov 19 23:22
schestowitzvZS1: we have about a dozen links about thatNov 19 23:22
schestowitzin Daily LinksNov 19 23:22
schestowitzinc. interviewsNov 19 23:22
oiaohmvZS1:    This has more of the history in it.Nov 19 23:23
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | Ice hysterectomy allegations in line with US's long and racist history of eugenics | US immigration | The GuardianNov 19 23:23
schestowitz 19 23:23
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | 'Cruelty Was Always the Plan': Pressed on Mass Family Separations in Final Debate, Trump Smears Victims as 'Bad People' | Common Dreams NewsNov 19 23:23
schestowitz 19 23:23
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | Forced Sterilization Is Nothing New to Criminalized People in the USNov 19 23:23
schestowitz 19 23:24
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | 'This Fight Is Not Over': Activists Help ICE Detainee Avoid Deportation Following Alleged Sterilization Procedure at Georgia Facility | Common Dreams NewsNov 19 23:24
oiaohmThe sterillisation problem the the USA starts in  1927 with a supreme court ruling.    Nothing has be put into USA law since then to over turn it.Nov 19 23:24
schestowitzIBM: 19 23:24
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | The Full Story (With References) of IBM’s Role in a Purge of Black People and Mixed-Race Couples | TechrightsNov 19 23:24
schestowitzalso of relevance (more recent):Nov 19 23:24
schestowitz 19 23:24
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | Linux Foundation, With Zero African-American Employees (in a Country Where 13.4% Identify as African-American), Boasts About Its “Support for the Black Community” | TechrightsNov 19 23:24
schestowitz 19 23:24
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | IBM’s Founder, Mr. Watson (Yes, That Watson), Had “Very Keen Sense of Public Relations” | TechrightsNov 19 23:24
vZS1 19 23:24
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | Horrifying Reports of Forced Hysterectomies at ICE Detention CampsNov 19 23:24
vZS1Didn't GitHub have a whole episode with ICE a while back?Nov 19 23:25
schestowitz 19 23:25
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | Survivors of Forced Sterilization in California Prisons Are Speaking OutNov 19 23:25
schestowitz 19 23:25
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | “Belly of the Beast”: Survivors of Forced Sterilizations in California’s Prisons Fight for Justice | Democracy Now!Nov 19 23:25
schestowitzMicrosoft partners: 19 23:25
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | Whistleblower Nurse in ICE Jail Alleges Forced Sterilization & Neglect Amid 8th COVID Death | Democracy Now!Nov 19 23:25
vZS1Thanks for the linksNov 19 23:26
vZS1So you seeNov 19 23:26
schestowitz 19 23:26
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | No Más Bebés: ICE Hysterectomy Scandal Recalls 1970s LA, When a Hospital Sterilized Chicana Patients | Democracy Now!Nov 19 23:26
vZS1They are a lot more like Nazis than people thinkNov 19 23:26
vZS1This is why TR is great. I don't have this kind of knowledge for these topics.Nov 19 23:27
schestowitzthanksNov 19 23:27
kingoffrancesome ppl have said its the other way around; the nazis were inspired by themNov 19 23:28
DaemonFC[m]Trump just lost 3 more lawsuits in Georgia, Pennsylvania, and Arizona.Nov 19 23:28
DaemonFC[m]He's lost over 3 dozen lawsuits that went in front of judges who were mostly Republicans.Nov 19 23:29
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DaemonFC[m]No wonder Rudy Giuliani is leaking 15w40 hair dye. Nov 19 23:29
DaemonFC[m]He's clearly blown a gasket. Nov 19 23:29
schestowitzDaemonFC[m]: next up Trump has a strokeNov 19 23:30
schestowitzthe endNov 19 23:30
schestowitzno need to divorce MelaniaNov 19 23:30
schestowitzshe inherits the debtNov 19 23:30
schestowitzDB arrests hereNov 19 23:30
schestowitzin debt prisonNov 19 23:30
DaemonFC[m]No reason to stay married to him.Nov 19 23:31
DaemonFC[m]She'll just be another creditor at the bankruptcy anyway.Nov 19 23:31
schestowitzshe's planning to divorceNov 19 23:31
schestowitzit's in the newsNov 19 23:31
DaemonFC[m]Might as well leave while there's some assets maybe.Nov 19 23:31
DaemonFC[m]I read that the only reason she hasn't bolted already is she knows that Trump would find some way to get revenge for humiliating her for divorcing him while he's still in the spotlight after losing the election.Nov 19 23:32
schestowitzsome tabloids made it officialNov 19 23:32
schestowitzsaying or implying she had already filedNov 19 23:32
schestowitzmaybe she wants out before the DB loans are dueNov 19 23:32
schestowitzso she might get something stillNov 19 23:32
schestowitzDaemonFC[m]: it would not be wiseNov 19 23:33
schestowitzshe can humiliate him moreNov 19 23:33
schestowitzheck, she can reveal his crimesNov 19 23:33
schestowitzand finish himNov 19 23:33
schestowitzIvana spoke/wrote (via law firm) in the coutt filing about how he kept reading Hitler's workNov 19 23:34
schestowitzin the same way Bannon's wife threw dirtNov 19 23:34
schestowitzshe has more leverage on him than he has on herNov 19 23:34
schestowitzand media would be attentive to HER -- not his -- allegationsNov 19 23:34
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vZS1Trump acquittal after impeachment tells you all you need to know about that systemNov 19 23:37
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DaemonFC[m]Well, Mitch McConnell defended not removing Trump by saying the voters would have an opportunity to have their say.Nov 19 23:40
DaemonFC[m]Then they got blindsided when the voters......removed Trump.Nov 19 23:40
schestowitzdon't trust systems that bomb countries for "Freedom"and "Democracy"Nov 19 23:41
schestowitzwhile the bomb manufacturers are private, for-profit firmsNov 19 23:41
DaemonFC[m]He may go kicking and screaming, but he'll go.Nov 19 23:41
DaemonFC[m]Question is what Biden does. Whatever it is, I doubt it will be as horrendous as another 4 years  of Trump.Nov 19 23:41
DaemonFC[m]Only reason I voted for him.Nov 19 23:41
schestowitzas many others didNov 19 23:42
schestowitz2 months moreNov 19 23:42
schestowitz20 janNov 19 23:42
schestowitzTrump as trespasserNov 19 23:42
DaemonFC[m]If Larry Hogan runs in the Republican Primary next cycle, I may vote as a Republican to nominate him in the primary.Nov 19 23:42
schestowitzMaybe he can egg on his militiasNov 19 23:42
schestowitzto do a SFKNov 19 23:42
schestowitz*JFKNov 19 23:42
DaemonFC[m]That would be unwise.Nov 19 23:43
vZS1Biden is pretty old. A stroke might get him first. Can't be easy being president at his age.Nov 19 23:43
schestowitzTrump would choke on a beef burger just fantasising about itNov 19 23:43
DaemonFC[m]The sentiment after the Kennedy assassination speaks for itself. Look at thee 1964 election. Nobody even liked Lyndon Johnson and the entire map lit up blue.Nov 19 23:43
schestowitzvZS1: then it's HarrisNov 19 23:43
schestowitzHarris is likely not as bad as BidenNov 19 23:43
DaemonFC[m]I did question the wisdom of picking a Senator from California.Nov 19 23:44
DaemonFC[m]Normally you pick someone who is popular in a close state that you're trying to win.Nov 19 23:44
DaemonFC[m]Although he did still win Georgia.Nov 19 23:45
schestowitzhe won fundingNov 19 23:45
schestowitzmany of the tech giants are thereNov 19 23:45
DaemonFC[m]Some were hoping he'd choose Stacey Abrams to pull in Georgia.Nov 19 23:45
schestowitzMaybe she would have been 'too black' for Biden's GOP baseNov 19 23:46
schestowitzBiden is more right than leftNov 19 23:46
DaemonFC[m]Picking up Georgia is a significant blow to Trump because they're getting ready to certify their vote quickly after this recount and Trump stands no chance of interfering with it.Nov 19 23:46
schestowitzObama was half of Kenya descent, I think Harris India and JamaicaNov 19 23:46
schestowitzGeorgia is a very racist state historicallyNov 19 23:47
DaemonFC[m]Yeah, Trump never could work with Congress on much except that he and the Republicans used each other from time to time.Nov 19 23:47
DaemonFC[m]Yeah, which makes this all the more bizarre.Nov 19 23:47
schestowitzI don't know what % black-American it is, wouldn't shock me if about 30%Nov 19 23:47
DaemonFC[m]Black voters in Georgia gave the state's electoral vote to Biden.Nov 19 23:47
DaemonFC[m]My uncle, who is quite quite racist, lives down there, and I'm sure he's horrifed.Nov 19 23:47
DaemonFC[m]heheheheheNov 19 23:47
schestowitzI guess calling countries "shithole" does not helpNov 19 23:48
schestowitzit riles people upNov 19 23:48
schestowitzand they vote like it's trhe pilgrimageNov 19 23:48
schestowitzsame for nativesNov 19 23:48
DaemonFC[m]Trump needlessly piled onto that at the debate.Nov 19 23:48
schestowitzafter calling Warren "Pocahontas"Nov 19 23:48
DaemonFC[m]Said India and China were "filthy" "nasty" countries.Nov 19 23:48
schestowitzIndia also?Nov 19 23:48
schestowitzthat will be played back a lotNov 19 23:49
schestowitzto cause like 3 billion people to keep the US awayNov 19 23:49
schestowitz"Chinese virus"Nov 19 23:49
schestowitzpeople don't forget those catchphrasesNov 19 23:49
schestowitzBiden won't fix itNov 19 23:49
DaemonFC[m]You don't think a "Look, it's over, he's gone. We got rid of him. Sorry, sorry." will fix that?Nov 19 23:50
DaemonFC[m]You know any democracy is at risk of having this happen.Nov 19 23:50
DaemonFC[m]You know that... Look what just happened because of idiots in your country.Nov 19 23:51
schestowitz[23:50] <DaemonFC[m]> You don't think a "Look, it's over, he's gone. We got rid of him. Sorry, sorry." will fix that?Nov 19 23:51
DaemonFC[m]Not only Boris Johnson, but Brexit and the US discussing maybe having to sanction you for violating human rights.Nov 19 23:51
DaemonFC[m]I mean, come on.Nov 19 23:51
schestowitzmany countries never forgave the US for Bush/CheneyNov 19 23:51
schestowitzsome never forgave us for B'liar, eitherNov 19 23:51
DaemonFC[m]It swings back and forth.Nov 19 23:51
DaemonFC[m]You can't keep the lunatics at bay 100% of the time.Nov 19 23:52
schestowitzmany never forgave Germany even 80 years laterNov 19 23:52
DaemonFC[m]Well, at least there wasn't a holocaust in the US under Trump.Nov 19 23:52
schestowitzand people will remember that 70+ million yanks STILL voted TrumpNov 19 23:52
DaemonFC[m]It's bad that you even have to say that. Nov 19 23:52
schestowitzand only a surge of anti-Trump stopped that from giving him 4-lifetime more yearsNov 19 23:52
DaemonFC[m]Yeah, but you know, the virus plague he brought here is going to spend 4 more years killing many of those people.Nov 19 23:53
schestowitzooh shit!!Nov 19 23:53
DaemonFC[m]Before they get to try again.Nov 19 23:53
schestowitz 19 23:53
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | United States Coronavirus: 12,052,527 Cases and 258,182 Deaths - WorldometerNov 19 23:53
schestowitzit'll be over 2000 todayNov 19 23:53
schestowitzfirst time since spring-ishNov 19 23:53
schestowitz"Murican carnage"Nov 19 23:54
DaemonFC[m]Yeah, and so could be millions, and mostly the demographic that tried to foist Trump on us again.Nov 19 23:54
schestowitzself-inducedNov 19 23:54
schestowitzby the  "Murican carnage" Mafia DOnNov 19 23:54
vZS1Millions of people are dying to this pandemic because of politiciansNov 19 23:54
vZS1Not the Holocaust but still a lot of dead peopleNov 19 23:54
DaemonFC[m]I meant a Holocaust in the sense of people being rounded up and shot and forced into incinerators and gas chambers.Nov 19 23:55
DaemonFC[m]At least THAT didn't happen under Trump.Nov 19 23:55
vZS1ICE Nov 19 23:55
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DaemonFC[m]But it may well have eventually, or you know, he might have started a process that led to that.Nov 19 23:56
DaemonFC[m]Do you think ICE will be reigned in a bit by Biden?Nov 19 23:56
vZS1No ideaNov 19 23:56
schestowitzICE is not going awayNov 19 23:57
schestowitzBiden is not even signalling thatNov 19 23:57
schestowitzObama was OK with Bush's ICENov 19 23:57
schestowitzeven expanded it a  bit, iircNov 19 23:57
schestowitzincreased deportations, tooNov 19 23:57
schestowitzthe two booths, blue and red, walk in the same directionNov 19 23:57
schestowitzbut the regime is right-footedNov 19 23:57
schestowitzso the right foot stride harderNov 19 23:58
schestowitz*stridesNov 19 23:58
schestowitzthe left foot is dragged alongNov 19 23:58
schestowitzsometimes even enthusiasticallyNov 19 23:58
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