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| DaemonFC[m] | News says that Chicago downtown apartment occupancy rates are down to 1998 levels. | Nov 19 00:22 |
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| DaemonFC[m] | Rents have fallen about 20%. | Nov 19 00:22 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Sounds like a disaster to me. Maybe Lori Lightfoot and Kim Foxx will let BLM lower the rents some more by scaring all the decent folk off. | Nov 19 00:23 |
| DaemonFC[m] | B-) | Nov 19 00:23 |
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| DaemonFC[m] | schestowitz: So far I've noticed that I don't really need any heat to be on for the apartment to stay warm enough, at least down to about 25 degrees F. | Nov 19 01:06 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Dunno about lower than that. | Nov 19 01:06 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Makes sense though. The building itself must have some heat otherwise the landlord would have pipes bursting all over the place during winter. | Nov 19 01:07 |
| DaemonFC[m] | And we're about 5.5 feet underground, which provides insulation and protection from wind chills. | Nov 19 01:07 |
| DaemonFC[m] | I'd like to keep the energy bills as low as possible, obviously. | Nov 19 01:08 |
| DaemonFC[m] | I told Mandy to leave the heat off and layer up. | Nov 19 01:08 |
| DaemonFC[m] | See how long and how much of each day we can just sort of freeload off the building's heat system. | Nov 19 01:08 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Anyway, you say I learned nothing from bankruptcy. Oh I learned nothing because there was nothing to learn. | Nov 19 01:11 |
| DaemonFC[m] | John was vicious and made his move on me and forced me to rack up an unfathomable amount of debt to fend off the state. | Nov 19 01:11 |
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| DaemonFC[m] | These fuckers who are going to Walmart in the middle of a third wave surge, worst death tolls since April, no end in sight....and buying 70" TVs on a credit card, and asking Mandy to figure out a way to stuff it in their Honda Fit, are the idiots. | Nov 19 01:13 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Anyway, schestowitz, I decided that in case I later change my mind and just get a Pixelbook with some future hardware refresh (certainly not going to if all I get is an 8th gen Intel setup), I'd bring in Chromium and transfer all my stuff into it. | Nov 19 01:14 |
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| DaemonFC[m] | That way it would be an orderly transition. | Nov 19 01:14 |
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| DaemonFC[m] | Well, you know, they're just asking too much for the hardware. It wasn't even the latest stuff when they released the current iteration last year. | Nov 19 01:15 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Without a refresh soon it's going to be very egregious, the amount they want for what you're getting. | Nov 19 01:15 |
| DaemonFC[m] | I'd say the biggest leap forward lately is probably Intel doubling the L1 and L2 cache on the most recent stuff. | Nov 19 01:16 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Seems they're having major problems getting the actual hardware to go faster and are sort of working on the edges where some operations are stalling out while the system fetches more data, more than they are improving the design of their CPU cores. | Nov 19 01:17 |
| schestowitz | it's never a good time to blow over a grand on a laptop | Nov 19 01:21 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Yeah, some of the cheaper ones now are actually not that bad. | Nov 19 01:22 |
| DaemonFC[m] | I just want to see at least a certain baseline. | Nov 19 01:22 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Like it's never going to run out of RAM and become unbearably slow. | Nov 19 01:22 |
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| schestowitz | you can do that | Nov 19 01:29 |
| schestowitz | at $300 | Nov 19 01:29 |
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| cubexyz | laptops: can you get parts, can you fix it? Who knows | Nov 19 03:28 |
| cubexyz | laptops: will it be obsolete in 5 years? Probably | Nov 19 03:28 |
| cubexyz | laptops: will it turn into a heating element? Could be | Nov 19 03:29 |
| DaemonFC[m] | I found a replacement battery for this Yoga 900 for $38. | Nov 19 03:36 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Turns out it's just LG that made the cells. | Nov 19 03:36 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Some seller on Amazon. | Nov 19 03:36 |
| oiaohm_ | Really convergence between phone and desktop comes up all the time but we have not got there yet. | Nov 19 03:36 |
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| DaemonFC[m] | The tablets are getting really good for the price. I saw a Lenovo tablet at Walmart for $58 today. | Nov 19 03:37 |
| oiaohm | cubexyz: some laptops from new the are different parts that have not been made for 5 months. | Nov 19 03:37 |
| cubexyz | how can there really be a convergence between phone and desktop? they are totally different form-factors | Nov 19 03:37 |
| DaemonFC[m] | 2 GB is plenty of RAM for Android. | Nov 19 03:37 |
| cubexyz | I'd say they never converge | Nov 19 03:37 |
| oiaohm | cubexyz: think VR desktop. | Nov 19 03:37 |
| DaemonFC[m] | High end Android tablets with a keyboard can replace a laptop for many people. | Nov 19 03:38 |
| schestowitz | DaemonFC[m]: https://joindiaspora.com/posts/19477887 | Nov 19 03:38 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: Yesterday #covid19 killed 2,000 Americans. In one day. | Nov 19 03:38 | |
| schestowitz | https://joindiaspora.com/posts/19477889 | Nov 19 03:38 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: #covid19 is just "fake news" (like #biden winning the election) anyway... | Nov 19 03:38 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights- Photo by schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: https://joindiaspora.com/uploads/images/thumb_medium_a96e09e89f2174f93b9c.jpg | Nov 19 03:38 | |
| oiaohm | Who says the desktop monitor has to be there if you can project it. | Nov 19 03:38 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Microsoft sees it and rushed to port Office to Android. | Nov 19 03:38 |
| oiaohm | There has been a stack of different attempts at convergence | Nov 19 03:39 |
| oiaohm | So far none have stuck. | Nov 19 03:39 |
| cubexyz | oiaohm, what if I want a parallel port? :) | Nov 19 03:39 |
| cubexyz | ah, I suppose there is some parallel-port to usb thing | Nov 19 03:40 |
| oiaohm | USB docks or possible in future 60Ghz docks. | Nov 19 03:42 |
| oiaohm | https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yBeza4UNOm8 Like we see people messing around with convergence with the pinephone here. | Nov 19 03:43 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-The PinePhone with an USB-C dock - YouTube | Nov 19 03:43 | |
| oiaohm | Ok its not a laptop. | Nov 19 03:43 |
| cubexyz | CRTs seemed to last longer than LCD's, not sure why that is | Nov 19 03:43 |
| oiaohm | cubexyz: https://www.ledsmagazine.com/leds-ssl-design/article/14181863/ge-updates-line-phosphor-technology-for-minimicro-led-displays there are still attempts to make more modern displays using the old phosper materials of CRTs. | Nov 19 03:44 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.ledsmagazine.com | GE updates line phosphor technology for mini/micro LED displays | LEDs Magazine | Nov 19 03:44 | |
| oiaohm | Those old phosper materials are highly chemical stable. | Nov 19 03:45 |
| oiaohm | as well as being in a vacuum helped | Nov 19 03:45 |
| cubexyz | interesting points | Nov 19 03:46 |
| oiaohm | CRT it was the guns and the drive circuits that failed. | Nov 19 03:46 |
| cubexyz | this is a philips 107b I'm using right now... it's got headphone jack in the front, and rca ports for a VCR in the back | Nov 19 03:46 |
| oiaohm | CRT do have a problem of putting out a lot of extra froms of radiation. | Nov 19 03:47 |
| cubexyz | although I think some of the LCD monitors had headphone jack in the front | Nov 19 03:47 |
| oiaohm | Really USB connected converance I don't really see as future. | Nov 19 03:48 |
| oiaohm | Connecting and disconnecting is a very limited cycle thing. | Nov 19 03:48 |
| cubexyz | do you see shortwave and FM/AM radio disappearing? | Nov 19 03:48 |
| oiaohm | Some of the move to wireless changing is to reduce wear and tear. | Nov 19 03:48 |
| oiaohm | shortwave is a very distance sent signal. So any changes in that bandwith require multi country agreement. | Nov 19 03:49 |
| oiaohm | FM/AM they are not as constant between countries so are at more risk of disappearing/messed with. | Nov 19 03:50 |
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| Mogzagain | hi guys | Nov 19 03:54 |
| Mogzagain | I can see you've just signed off, so just to post a quick response to the latest figosdev article. | Nov 19 03:55 |
| schestowitz | hi | Nov 19 03:56 |
| Mogzagain | I'm really questioning why these are posted. Very demoralising, and this one seems to say overall that none of us are joining forces or investing assets/time/effort/support, but users should fix linux themselves. | Nov 19 03:56 |
| Mogzagain | hi Roy | Nov 19 03:56 |
| schestowitz | please go on | Nov 19 03:56 |
| Mogzagain | okay, thanks ... not meaning to be unpleasant, but it's taken me half an hour to calm down enough to hopefully contribute something that might lift things | Nov 19 03:57 |
| schestowitz | RMS is by his own admission a pessimist | Nov 19 03:58 |
| schestowitz | figosdev isn't any more than he is | Nov 19 03:58 |
| Mogzagain | if rms/oliva joined forces, steering things with a strong hand, small numbers, and refusing big tech, there could be hope ... and they have the experience and 'clout', so it seems wrong to say the little ppl should be achieving what they could, without that support | Nov 19 03:58 |
| schestowitz | but he's more so than me | Nov 19 03:58 |
| Mogzagain | and the article basically says oliva prefers to work with the fsf anyway | Nov 19 03:58 |
| schestowitz | yes, rms wants him to | Nov 19 03:58 |
| Mogzagain | no idea why 5 github-linked packages aren't forked, seeing as oliva runs the libre kernel | Nov 19 03:58 |
| schestowitz | he's his 'pawn' there | Nov 19 03:58 |
| Mogzagain | rms wasn't a pessimist for 30 yrs | Nov 19 03:59 |
| schestowitz | the strategy can be different | Nov 19 03:59 |
| schestowitz | get those projects off github | Nov 19 03:59 |
| schestowitz | without forking them | Nov 19 03:59 |
| oiaohm | Really a lot way GPL was design was on the presume people would backstab. | Nov 19 03:59 |
| schestowitz | for that, we need to weaken the monopoly | Nov 19 03:59 |
| Mogzagain | figosdev should consider that telling others to fix linux isn't going to work when you tell ppl the leaders won't unite and nobody's really doing anything | Nov 19 03:59 |
| schestowitz | and 'wean off' the ecosystem [RMS hates that word] | Nov 19 03:59 |
| schestowitz | which works, gradually | Nov 19 03:59 |
| schestowitz | yesterday rauk asked me what to use instead of github | Nov 19 03:59 |
| Mogzagain | well, my point is that if rms/oliva prefer the fsf, why is figosdev writing saying users should fix everything, alone | Nov 19 04:00 |
| Mogzagain | can't weaken a monopoly by being part of it | Nov 19 04:00 |
| oiaohm | Mogzagain: I have worked around the wine project for a long time. | Nov 19 04:00 |
| oiaohm | Most project really don't have enough man power. | Nov 19 04:00 |
| Mogzagain | if rms/oliva joined forces, forked the 5 packages, and gave ppl some hope, surely a far better way to spend time and inspire users | Nov 19 04:00 |
| oiaohm | even for non skilled tasks. | Nov 19 04:00 |
| schestowitz | Mogzagain: that's now what was said re FSF | Nov 19 04:01 |
| schestowitz | the idea is, make sure FSF isn't single point of failure | Nov 19 04:01 |
| schestowitz | because in some aspects it is failing | Nov 19 04:01 |
| oiaohm | when I say non skilled as in here is the fix the developer made will someone please test it on X hardware. | Nov 19 04:01 |
| Mogzagain | again, why write articles saying users should fix it all when every response is so demoralising and depressing | Nov 19 04:01 |
| schestowitz | also, those 5 projects are some of many | Nov 19 04:01 |
| Mogzagain | ppl need some hope, and surely rms/oliva uniting is doable and would be something really good | Nov 19 04:01 |
| schestowitz | they're just a prime dependency | Nov 19 04:01 |
| schestowitz | and github isn't the sole threat | Nov 19 04:01 |
| Mogzagain | surely it's a waste of time to have anything to do with the fsf; they were behind rms being ousted, so have made it VERY clear which side they're on | Nov 19 04:02 |
| schestowitz | whether the article 'demoralises' is besides the point | Nov 19 04:02 |
| schestowitz | to many Trump was demoralising | Nov 19 04:02 |
| oiaohm | Mogzagain: there are lots and lots of cases with open source software development were a problem cannot be fixed without user being involed as a tester. | Nov 19 04:02 |
| Mogzagain | supporting them is a waste of time and resources ... then ppl wonder why users can't get behind anything, to give support | Nov 19 04:02 |
| schestowitz | but stating what's happening is being realistic | Nov 19 04:02 |
| schestowitz | facts and reality are rarely convenient | Nov 19 04:03 |
| schestowitz | many lost their minds in pure fantasies amid covid | Nov 19 04:03 |
| Mogzagain | but ppl need hope, and others to be positive, so, yes, that article does have a responsibility to contribute something positive, not demoralising | Nov 19 04:03 |
| oiaohm | So we need people willing to at least invest some time testing what developers have made. | Nov 19 04:03 |
| schestowitz | nice to think it's all fake and an elite conspiracy, rather than accept it's a big and legitimate problem | Nov 19 04:03 |
| Mogzagain | I couldn't give a stuff about trump .. he won't save linux | Nov 19 04:03 |
| schestowitz | with freeSW | Nov 19 04:03 |
| schestowitz | nice to think we are "winning" | Nov 19 04:04 |
| schestowitz | and that github is "proof" of it | Nov 19 04:04 |
| schestowitz | Microsoft winning = us winning | Nov 19 04:04 |
| Mogzagain | plenty of users have helped and donated, and suddenly everyone talks like that never happened | Nov 19 04:04 |
| schestowitz | ZDNet pushes this MORE demoralising idea | Nov 19 04:04 |
| schestowitz | as if Microsoft comes to 'our rescue" | Nov 19 04:04 |
| schestowitz | like it did Novell, Yahoo, Nokia... | Nov 19 04:04 |
| oiaohm | Mogzagain: I would not say plenty. | Nov 19 04:04 |
| Mogzagain | so why doesn't figosdev be realistic, and thankfully brief ... nobody's going to work together or help; you're all on your own, regardless of how much you may have contributed | Nov 19 04:04 |
| oiaohm | wine project, Linux kernel, libreoffice could have hand 1000 times more people and it still not be enough. | Nov 19 04:05 |
| Mogzagain | watching ms all day is not going to save linus | Nov 19 04:05 |
| Mogzagain | *linux | Nov 19 04:05 |
| oiaohm | The reality is software development is hard work needing a hell load of resources. | Nov 19 04:05 |
| schestowitz | linux won't salvage gnu either | Nov 19 04:05 |
| schestowitz | it's there for comfort since 1991 | Nov 19 04:05 |
| oiaohm | amount of investment is a drop in ocean. | Nov 19 04:05 |
| Mogzagain | I would say plenty of users have donated, bugfixed, helped in countless ways, over many years ... but everyone talks like they do nothing | Nov 19 04:06 |
| schestowitz | but linux is not bloated and not freedom-respecting | Nov 19 04:06 |
| Mogzagain | again, oiaohm, you do just the same, talk at a user as if they contribute nothing and are all to blame, and should fix it all | Nov 19 04:06 |
| schestowitz | Mogzagain: we have the software, and it works well | Nov 19 04:06 |
| schestowitz | we are weaker on marketing | Nov 19 04:06 |
| schestowitz | and we're attacjed | Nov 19 04:06 |
| schestowitz | BECAUSE the software is THIS good | Nov 19 04:06 |
| Mogzagain | yes, the point is the GNU salvages stuff, and anyone with great experience etc, such as oliva | Nov 19 04:07 |
| schestowitz | and we need to recognise the attack | Nov 19 04:07 |
| schestowitz | like GitHub being an attack, a theft | Nov 19 04:07 |
| oiaohm | Mogzagain: You are not listerning to the right point. We are criticial short of resources. | Nov 19 04:07 |
| schestowitz | oiaohm: so are our rivals | Nov 19 04:07 |
| schestowitz | Windows, for example, keeps bricking itself and macOS is not evolving | Nov 19 04:07 |
| oiaohm | Even in the Linux kernel there are a growing number flaws that there is not the developers or testers there to fix. | Nov 19 04:07 |
| schestowitz | BSD is even worse off when it comes to funding | Nov 19 04:07 |
| oiaohm | Yes this is not a problem with just open source. | Nov 19 04:08 |
| Mogzagain | there weren't issues until big tech was allowed in; now users are 'lazy', 'greedy', should fix it all themselves, and no talented leaders will combine to do anything. | Nov 19 04:08 |
| oiaohm | Software developers is in a very short of resources. | Nov 19 04:08 |
| schestowitz | that's not a new issue | Nov 19 04:08 |
| schestowitz | afaik | Nov 19 04:08 |
| oiaohm | So project are trying to get as many new people as they can. | Nov 19 04:08 |
| schestowitz | "big tech" is also a collective new term | Nov 19 04:08 |
| schestowitz | some say designed to distract from big oil, big banks, big telecoms | Nov 19 04:08 |
| Mogzagain | whether short of resources or not, demoralisation and lack of effort is what is preached?! if rms had that attitude 30 yrs ago, no freedom or gnu would have happened | Nov 19 04:08 |
| oiaohm | Even if they double their developer and tester numbers for the next 10 years for many projects it will not be enough. | Nov 19 04:09 |
| schestowitz | Mogzagain: RMS was no optimist | Nov 19 04:09 |
| Mogzagain | no, the linux kernel has e.g. gkh signing in ms devs | Nov 19 04:09 |
| schestowitz | not even back then | Nov 19 04:09 |
| schestowitz | afaik | Nov 19 04:09 |
| schestowitz | I was a baby | Nov 19 04:09 |
| schestowitz | gkh is compromised | Nov 19 04:09 |
| oiaohm | Mogzagain: its not exaclty lack of effort. the words is more those looking at the problem and seeing that the amount of work/effort going in is not enough. | Nov 19 04:09 |
| schestowitz | and we need to call him out on that | Nov 19 04:09 |
| schestowitz | so at least people know who's who | Nov 19 04:10 |
| oiaohm | Problem is how to get more. | Nov 19 04:10 |
| schestowitz | gkh took ms money through novell for a long time | Nov 19 04:10 |
| schestowitz | and worked on microsoft micro-projects | Nov 19 04:10 |
| oiaohm | Ok some of the ways attempting to get more I agree are horrible. | Nov 19 04:10 |
| schestowitz | like hyper-v | Nov 19 04:10 |
| schestowitz | now he gets paid like $400,000 per year | Nov 19 04:10 |
| schestowitz | also funded by hostile companies that use LF as a front | Nov 19 04:10 |
| Mogzagain | well if a non-optimist can achieve the incredible things he did, I suggest he wasn't a non-optimist for real | Nov 19 04:10 |
| oiaohm | Mogzagain: lets say you are in my position you you know X bug requires a person with Y hardware to test it. I don't have the developers don't have it. At this point you need end user with that hardware to step u. | Nov 19 04:11 |
| oiaohm | Remember new hardware is being made all the time. | Nov 19 04:11 |
| oiaohm | so we have a huge on going treadmill here. | Nov 19 04:11 |
| Mogzagain | gkh is the most dangerous for linux | Nov 19 04:11 |
| schestowitz | Mogzagain: actually... I beg to differ | Nov 19 04:11 |
| oiaohm | where we cannot really sit on prior work done. | Nov 19 04:11 |
| Mogzagain | by choice | Nov 19 04:11 |
| schestowitz | the realisation that computing freedom was under attack motivated people | Nov 19 04:11 |
| schestowitz | to even work gratus | Nov 19 04:11 |
| schestowitz | *gratus | Nov 19 04:11 |
| schestowitz | >gratis | Nov 19 04:11 |
| schestowitz | if we say crap like "OPEN SOURCE" has "won" | Nov 19 04:12 |
| schestowitz | what motivation are we giving to FREE SOFTWARE people? | Nov 19 04:12 |
| schestowitz | Nothing | Nov 19 04:12 |
| schestowitz | we got hijacked | Nov 19 04:12 |
| schestowitz | THEY won | Nov 19 04:12 |
| Mogzagain | the devs that are going more corporate-favouring, infecting distros and the kernel, and getting the ms dollars, is no help, but surely rms fought that 30 yrs ago, and forged a path | Nov 19 04:12 |
| schestowitz | the underminers | Nov 19 04:12 |
| Mogzagain | with very few resources | Nov 19 04:12 |
| oiaohm | Developers have to eat. | Nov 19 04:12 |
| schestowitz | they eat | Nov 19 04:12 |
| oiaohm | So someone has to pay them | Nov 19 04:12 |
| schestowitz | they are technical | Nov 19 04:12 |
| schestowitz | they have job | Nov 19 04:12 |
| schestowitz | oiaohm: you use Lunduke FUD | Nov 19 04:13 |
| schestowitz | the usual BS | Nov 19 04:13 |
| oiaohm | and being paid unfornatmally normally brings a company bias. | Nov 19 04:13 |
| Mogzagain | again, oiaohm, countless ppl have stepped up and helped | Nov 19 04:13 |
| schestowitz | as if to say, either you develop bad software and get on with the program or starve | Nov 19 04:13 |
| *schestowitz will ignore oiaohm for the rest of this discussion | Nov 19 04:13 | |
| DaemonFC[m] | I read an article that said the reaction from around the world was as if the United States ousted a dictator. | Nov 19 04:13 |
| schestowitz | it did | Nov 19 04:13 |
| schestowitz | sort of, for now | Nov 19 04:13 |
| DaemonFC[m] | I was like.... That's exactly what happened. | Nov 19 04:13 |
| Mogzagain | exactly; only free software guts and determination will win this, as rms did 30 yrs ago | Nov 19 04:14 |
| schestowitz | I don't share your analysis of this | Nov 19 04:14 |
| Mogzagain | even to find somewhere all who care about privacy/freedom can be | Nov 19 04:14 |
| oiaohm | Mogzagain: problem is we need countless more people to step up again. | Nov 19 04:14 |
| schestowitz | I will lay out my reasons | Nov 19 04:14 |
| schestowitz | 1) motivation comes not from complacency | Nov 19 04:14 |
| schestowitz | 2) many became complacent | Nov 19 04:14 |
| oiaohm | That is due to the treadmil effects of new hardware and supproting more hardware and supporting more software. | Nov 19 04:14 |
| schestowitz | 3) this is why so many fools think it's "cool" and "good for money" to outsource to Microsoft (GitHub) | Nov 19 04:14 |
| Mogzagain | but it's always users attacked because more corporate-leaning devs just want to go where the money is now .. that's not users fault | Nov 19 04:15 |
| Mogzagain | no care about values, freedom, privacy | Nov 19 04:15 |
| schestowitz | 4) we had our terminology warped and orgs infiltrated | Nov 19 04:15 |
| Mogzagain | didn't rms work AND start up gnu? | Nov 19 04:15 |
| schestowitz | 5) many are still in denial about it or unable to see through it | Nov 19 04:15 |
| schestowitz | [04:15] <Mogzagain> but it's always users attacked because more corporate-leaning devs just want to go where the money is now .. that's not users fault | Nov 19 04:15 |
| schestowitz | that's nothing new, many devs got paid for their freesw creds | Nov 19 04:16 |
| schestowitz | red hat brain-drained gnu | Nov 19 04:16 |
| Mogzagain | steadier development isn't an issue ... ppl of course can have jobs/earn and do dev work outside that, slower | Nov 19 04:16 |
| Mogzagain | but no reason to go to big tech unless no regard for freedoms/others | Nov 19 04:16 |
| schestowitz | I also work full time | Nov 19 04:16 |
| schestowitz | and run techrights when I have time | Nov 19 04:16 |
| Mogzagain | lol, the ignoring | Nov 19 04:16 |
| schestowitz | so I don't have to worry about fund-raising | Nov 19 04:16 |
| Mogzagain | whatever politics is doing, we already know it doesn't give a crap about freedom/values/linux/ppl | Nov 19 04:17 |
| schestowitz | people will stop working for "big tech" | Nov 19 04:17 |
| schestowitz | IF | Nov 19 04:17 |
| Mogzagain | so what DOES? | Nov 19 04:17 |
| schestowitz | we teach them why | Nov 19 04:17 |
| schestowitz | the media isn't doing that | Nov 19 04:17 |
| schestowitz | "I don't like what this company stands for. Its the worst kind of mass manipulator of the public. Freedom of speech and public discourse is being replaced with f—ly Mark's overlord mentality." https://www.thelayoff.com/t/16PVpjen | Nov 19 04:17 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.thelayoff.com | Hate the stigma now of working here - post regarding Facebook layoffs | Nov 19 04:17 | |
| schestowitz | I posted this yesterday | Nov 19 04:17 |
| schestowitz | so you see people don't feel comfortable taking money if it harms their geek creds | Nov 19 04:17 |
| Mogzagain | ppl who are naturally complacent do that, but not those who care about freedom/privacy etc | Nov 19 04:17 |
| schestowitz | and this is why those "negative" articles can help, by reinforcing correct stigmas | Nov 19 04:18 |
| schestowitz | calling out Guido van Icaza | Nov 19 04:18 |
| Mogzagain | it's so frustrating that ppl LET things be infiltrated | Nov 19 04:18 |
| schestowitz | so let them have karma | Nov 19 04:18 |
| schestowitz | some are too 'polite' to point this out | Nov 19 04:19 |
| Mogzagain | red hat disgust me, how they leapt onto the fsf the morning after rms was kicked out | Nov 19 04:19 |
| schestowitz | when did you see the media blasting LF? | Nov 19 04:19 |
| schestowitz | It's all puff pieces | Nov 19 04:19 |
| schestowitz | they have PR budget | Nov 19 04:19 |
| Mogzagain | exactly, you work and then do loads of work for linux | Nov 19 04:19 |
| schestowitz | http://techrights.org/2020/08/16/the-linux-racket/ | Nov 19 04:19 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | The Linux Foundation Exceeds $100,000,000 in Revenue and Jim Zemlin Now Pays Himself About a Million Dollars a Year While ‘His’ Foundation Operates at a Loss of $732,261 | Techrights | Nov 19 04:19 | |
| schestowitz | LF is run by PR people | Nov 19 04:19 |
| Mogzagain | so those saying 'I had to take big tech money' are shams and didn't care about freedom/users | Nov 19 04:19 |
| schestowitz | those companies overpay | Nov 19 04:19 |
| schestowitz | and people who work there have no spare time | Nov 19 04:20 |
| schestowitz | more so during covid homeworking | Nov 19 04:20 |
| schestowitz | which sounds counter-intuitive | Nov 19 04:20 |
| schestowitz | "This new hybrid workstation policy means that at least some of us will be able to work full time from home even after the pandemic. Could be a good idea, but to me feels like a trap because I work almost twice as much since I started working" | Nov 19 04:20 |
| schestowitz | https://pleroma.site/objects/5b6a9005-c1bc-4fbc-9d85-ba2f54dc0766] | Nov 19 04:20 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-pleroma.site | Nov 19 04:20 | |
| schestowitz | I heard the same | Nov 19 04:20 |
| schestowitz | this is Microsoft | Nov 19 04:20 |
| Mogzagain | yes, they deserve karma, but where do those NOT harming linux/others go is the critical question | Nov 19 04:20 |
| schestowitz | I spoke someone from #microsoft They make them work more because of #covid19This one who I spoke to starts working at 5AM. I kid not! Wishes could go back to work at the office, but they're not allowing that. [https://pleroma.site/objects/4a30ae58-85fd-4f43-b025-5fa74e0dc095] | Nov 19 04:20 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-pleroma.site | Nov 19 04:20 | |
| schestowitz | those people earn too much and have no time to use the money they earn | Nov 19 04:21 |
| schestowitz | those not harming gnu? | Nov 19 04:21 |
| schestowitz | or linux? | Nov 19 04:21 |
| schestowitz | linux is about as corporate as a freesw can get | Nov 19 04:21 |
| schestowitz | it won't even touch gplv3 | Nov 19 04:21 |
| Mogzagain | god, I'm so sick of devs whinging ... easy to sort a timetable at home! | Nov 19 04:21 |
| schestowitz | and we know why, it's not just tivoisation | Nov 19 04:21 |
| schestowitz | Mogzagain: I spend 36 hours a week on the job, still have about 70 for techrights and hobbies | Nov 19 04:22 |
| schestowitz | we're in lockdown now | Nov 19 04:22 |
| Mogzagain | again, what can be done for linux users who care about privacy/freedom, and rapidly are having no island to inhabit | Nov 19 04:22 |
| schestowitz | teaching | Nov 19 04:22 |
| Mogzagain | can't fight the good fight without a home | Nov 19 04:22 |
| schestowitz | teach them what it's for? | Nov 19 04:22 |
| Mogzagain | and some hope | Nov 19 04:22 |
| schestowitz | some here think DRM is good | Nov 19 04:22 |
| schestowitz | because "users want ot" | Nov 19 04:23 |
| schestowitz | many come to Linux for "apps" | Nov 19 04:23 |
| schestowitz | because sits like "OMG Ubuntu!" market it like that | Nov 19 04:23 |
| Mogzagain | rms started from very little and achieved incredibly ... surely we need to take him as the inspiration | Nov 19 04:23 |
| Mogzagain | if we hope to get back what matters | Nov 19 04:23 |
| schestowitz | snaps, systemd, spotify, skype, clown computing... | Nov 19 04:23 |
| Mogzagain | well done for all your work! | Nov 19 04:23 |
| schestowitz | Mogzagain: you have described what techrights tries to do | Nov 19 04:23 |
| schestowitz | even if it's mostly alone at that | Nov 19 04:23 |
| schestowitz | just like we're 99% alone in exposing the EPO's corruption | Nov 19 04:24 |
| schestowitz | and attacks on privacy with back doors | Nov 19 04:24 |
| schestowitz | now we promote ipfs | Nov 19 04:24 |
| schestowitz | to kill the bloated web | Nov 19 04:24 |
| schestowitz | or the web as a whole | Nov 19 04:24 |
| Mogzagain | yes, too many negative players around ... but those of us who care about privacy/values need an island, preferably with rms/oliva there, something like that | Nov 19 04:24 |
| schestowitz | rss is good, but it's not dweb | Nov 19 04:24 |
| Mogzagain | even itsfoss are now riddled with google captcha!! | Nov 19 04:24 |
| schestowitz | war on rss is fought by surveillance giants | Nov 19 04:24 |
| schestowitz | rss is bad for the ad and tracking industry | Nov 19 04:25 |
| schestowitz | google bouhht feeburner | Nov 19 04:25 |
| schestowitz | to add spying codes to URLs | Nov 19 04:25 |
| Mogzagain | I avoid all of those things you list, snaps etc, running a really clean system, so at least that's doable, if ppl care | Nov 19 04:25 |
| schestowitz | so that it can better track what people do in RSS readers | Nov 19 04:25 |
| schestowitz | *feedburner | Nov 19 04:25 |
| schestowitz | Mogzagain: so help teach | Nov 19 04:25 |
| schestowitz | teach people | Nov 19 04:25 |
| schestowitz | also code | Nov 19 04:26 |
| schestowitz | we code every day | Nov 19 04:26 |
| schestowitz | stuff for the site mostly | Nov 19 04:26 |
| schestowitz | coming soon are text-only (not raw) irc logs | Nov 19 04:26 |
| schestowitz | we're testing that today | Nov 19 04:26 |
| Mogzagain | again, back to my point about the article, telling users to do the work, without any support/inspiration or the rich experience of e.g. rms/oliva | Nov 19 04:26 |
| schestowitz | it'll go into ipfs | Nov 19 04:26 |
| schestowitz | vZS1 is an ipfs expert | Nov 19 04:26 |
| schestowitz | the article is not mine | Nov 19 04:26 |
| Mogzagain | that is unfair. for example, I'm the least tech person on linux probably, lol, and do art, only, but used to donate LOADS, until I go so fed up with the attitude to users | Nov 19 04:27 |
| schestowitz | if you stick around, figosdev will read these irc logs | Nov 19 04:27 |
| schestowitz | as he does every day | Nov 19 04:27 |
| schestowitz | then I'll paste in his response | Nov 19 04:27 |
| Mogzagain | and, yes, that could invite criticism, but where is the leaders who care, who make an effort, who value freedoms and users, instead of constantly saying 'you fix it', when you can't alone | Nov 19 04:27 |
| schestowitz | depends who and what you donate to | Nov 19 04:27 |
| schestowitz | some people donates to Mozilla | Nov 19 04:27 |
| schestowitz | while Google paid them $300,000,000 | Nov 19 04:27 |
| schestowitz | *donated | Nov 19 04:27 |
| schestowitz | many still donate to EFF | Nov 19 04:28 |
| Mogzagain | yes, going offline more, using rss, having thought that was at least better than being on the browser | Nov 19 04:28 |
| schestowitz | with $40,000,000 in the bank with very high interest | Nov 19 04:28 |
| schestowitz | EFF has done nothing heroic lately, not since Barlow died | Nov 19 04:28 |
| Mogzagain | I'm in sheltered housing, hardly see a soul; have tried SO much online, but there's so much unpleasantness, lack of commitment, unfair criticism, and I have made stands, and you just get shunned | Nov 19 04:28 |
| schestowitz | betrayal is everywhere | Nov 19 04:28 |
| schestowitz | that's why GPL is so popular | Nov 19 04:28 |
| schestowitz | on many levels | Nov 19 04:29 |
| Mogzagain | I could only teach art! lol | Nov 19 04:29 |
| schestowitz | it's a failsafe | Nov 19 04:29 |
| schestowitz | art and free culture are connected to free software | Nov 19 04:29 |
| schestowitz | in so many ways | Nov 19 04:29 |
| schestowitz | they're complimentary | Nov 19 04:29 |
| schestowitz | look at david revoy | Nov 19 04:29 |
| schestowitz | he helps gnu/linux | Nov 19 04:29 |
| Mogzagain | great that he'll read it ... ppl need hope, not 'fix it yourself' as nobody with real clout and experience will help! | Nov 19 04:29 |
| schestowitz | and krita and freesw | Nov 19 04:29 |
| schestowitz | just by jotting and bloggin | Nov 19 04:30 |
| schestowitz | you can ignore 90% of freesw | Nov 19 04:30 |
| Mogzagain | unbelievable that ppl donate to mozilla etc | Nov 19 04:30 |
| schestowitz | and still get stuff done | Nov 19 04:30 |
| schestowitz | we have more than enough | Nov 19 04:30 |
| Mogzagain | I'd rather shout it out clear, and hopefully contribute something, than live in regret | Nov 19 04:30 |
| schestowitz | you don't need 10 browsers and 10 CD-burning sw packages | Nov 19 04:30 |
| schestowitz | we have all the pieces in place now | Nov 19 04:30 |
| schestowitz | and we're under attack | Nov 19 04:31 |
| Mogzagain | didn't EFF help youtube-dl and force github to reinstate and do their false virtue signalling? | Nov 19 04:31 |
| schestowitz | besieged by the likes of adobe that loathe krita and gimp | Nov 19 04:31 |
| schestowitz | Microsoft that cannot sell Vista 10 for even $10 | Nov 19 04:31 |
| schestowitz | so it's PAYING the OEMs to preload it now | Nov 19 04:31 |
| Mogzagain | yes, I've contributed fully painted professional wallpapers, offered stuff, etc | Nov 19 04:31 |
| schestowitz | just to block gnu/linux or chromeos | Nov 19 04:31 |
| schestowitz | [04:31] <Mogzagain> didn't EFF help youtube-dl and force github to reinstate and do their false virtue signalling? | Nov 19 04:31 |
| Mogzagain | if you want something done, let me know now | Nov 19 04:32 |
| schestowitz | no, eff helped Microsoft defelction to RIAA | Nov 19 04:32 |
| schestowitz | which Microsoft is a member of! | Nov 19 04:32 |
| schestowitz | I wrote about how awful the EFF blog posts about it were | Nov 19 04:32 |
| schestowitz | 3 of them at least | Nov 19 04:32 |
| schestowitz | if EFF was worth a f--k, they'd tell people "DELETE GITHUB" | Nov 19 04:32 |
| schestowitz | it's proprietary | Nov 19 04:32 |
| schestowitz | centralised | Nov 19 04:32 |
| Mogzagain | but krita's really keen to get corporate money in, the same as blender | Nov 19 04:32 |
| schestowitz | NSA PRISM | Nov 19 04:32 |
| schestowitz | it's an attack on privacy, control over code, security | Nov 19 04:32 |
| schestowitz | http://techrights.org/2020/06/15/confessions-of-scott-guthrie/ | Nov 19 04:33 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | The Story About Microsoft’s Plan for GitHub Says a Lot About the Motivations and the Lies Told to Us for Over Half a Decade | Techrights | Nov 19 04:33 | |
| schestowitz | EFF is toothless re freesw | Nov 19 04:33 |
| schestowitz | and it gave Microsoft an AWARD | Nov 19 04:33 |
| Mogzagain | yes, thought ms and riaa were friends! | Nov 19 04:33 |
| Mogzagain | all smoke and mirrors | Nov 19 04:33 |
| schestowitz | [04:32] <Mogzagain> but krita's really keen to get corporate money in, the same as blender | Nov 19 04:33 |
| schestowitz | blender objects to GItHub | Nov 19 04:33 |
| Mogzagain | I must have missed those posts, oops ... will look them up | Nov 19 04:33 |
| schestowitz | maybe that's why Microsoft bribed blender recently | Nov 19 04:33 |
| Mogzagain | and, yes, delete github SHOULD be their main message | Nov 19 04:34 |
| schestowitz | http://techrights.org/2020/08/23/blender-payments-from-microsoft-and-unity/ | Nov 19 04:34 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | The Hand Inside the Blender: Microsoft Money for Blender’s Development Fund is Not a ‘Cookie Jar’ Donation But Another Power Move | Techrights | Nov 19 04:34 | |
| Mogzagain | everyone taking their code from github ... such an obvious solution and clear taking back of power | Nov 19 04:34 |
| schestowitz | there's more about that | Nov 19 04:34 |
| schestowitz | but it might be linked from the meme | Nov 19 04:34 |
| schestowitz | and Microsoft bought NPM too | Nov 19 04:34 |
| schestowitz | and took over OpenJS | Nov 19 04:34 |
| Mogzagain | I didn't know all that about EFF ... another disappointment! | Nov 19 04:34 |
| schestowitz | Robin | Nov 19 04:34 |
| schestowitz | the nontechnical marketing rep | Nov 19 04:34 |
| schestowitz | from Edelman | Nov 19 04:35 |
| schestowitz | who is now also bossing Torvalds | Nov 19 04:35 |
| schestowitz | in LF management | Nov 19 04:35 |
| schestowitz | lots of skulduggery | Nov 19 04:35 |
| schestowitz | The media is dead-silent | Nov 19 04:35 |
| schestowitz | ZDNet is CHEERING for it! | Nov 19 04:35 |
| schestowitz | Paid to do that | Nov 19 04:35 |
| Mogzagain | yes, unfortunately I've seen the work list which is about making things as blender-similar as possible, e.g. a funding site etc, sort advertising | Nov 19 04:35 |
| schestowitz | blender is not compromised | Nov 19 04:36 |
| schestowitz | but it's the early stage | Nov 19 04:36 |
| Mogzagain | that's good re blender, and look at the success via NOT github! | Nov 19 04:36 |
| schestowitz | like with python about half a decade ago | Nov 19 04:36 |
| Mogzagain | oops, should have read on ... so MS are involved with blender now? | Nov 19 04:36 |
| Mogzagain | oh no | Nov 19 04:36 |
| schestowitz | Microsoft is trying | Nov 19 04:36 |
| schestowitz | but Microsoft has loads of layoffs | Nov 19 04:36 |
| schestowitz | I think they're fighting from a losing position on that front | Nov 19 04:37 |
| schestowitz | many blender users aren't on Windows | Nov 19 04:37 |
| schestowitz | no practical benefit to it | Nov 19 04:37 |
| schestowitz | same for Maya | Nov 19 04:37 |
| schestowitz | they're blowing money on projects like Godot | Nov 19 04:37 |
| Mogzagain | yes, as soon as corporate money or the likes of ms start sniffing round, only those who are genuine won't leap at that | Nov 19 04:37 |
| schestowitz | fearing it leads people AWAY from Windows | Nov 19 04:37 |
| schestowitz | and they paid lots of money for Guido van Icaza to become full-time Microsoft shill | Nov 19 04:38 |
| schestowitz | maybe a million bucks a year | Nov 19 04:38 |
| schestowitz | with blender the payments gives them steering power | Nov 19 04:38 |
| schestowitz | it's part of the package | Nov 19 04:38 |
| schestowitz | I think we took screenshots of that page | Nov 19 04:38 |
| schestowitz | watch out if they try to oust mr. blender | Nov 19 04:39 |
| schestowitz | some phony scandal | Nov 19 04:39 |
| schestowitz | and then put "more professional person" in his place | Nov 19 04:39 |
| schestowitz | maybe with some "diversity" angle to it | Nov 19 04:39 |
| schestowitz | and then "support" Blender's migration to GitHub financially | Nov 19 04:39 |
| Mogzagain | yes, not good ... I feel if we're going to do anything, and find a home to be at, if there are too many negative ppl, it's not always great to just be looking at everything bad. | Nov 19 04:39 |
| schestowitz | as he is the one who opposed and blocked github adoption | Nov 19 04:39 |
| Mogzagain | what can happen? ... back to figosdev's article, which may as well have said 'you're on your own', as rms/oliva won't be there, etc | Nov 19 04:40 |
| Mogzagain | what are ppl to do, when the most inspiring ppl aren't collaborating, those who have rich experience? | Nov 19 04:41 |
| Mogzagain | has everyone accepted it's over, and not bothering to do as rms did 30 yrs ago? if so, where is privacy/freedom, except offline? | Nov 19 04:41 |
| Mogzagain | figosdev says there's no real point creating groups, as big tech will just take over ... NO; ppl allow that, and, if they don't, that won't happen. | Nov 19 04:42 |
| schestowitz | people do collaborate | Nov 19 04:42 |
| schestowitz | we collaborate with many | Nov 19 04:42 |
| schestowitz | [04:41] <Mogzagain> has everyone accepted it's over, and not bothering to do as rms did 30 yrs ago? if so, where is privacy/freedom, except offline? | Nov 19 04:42 |
| schestowitz | what rms tackled was a different world | Nov 19 04:43 |
| schestowitz | mainframes, no free kernels | Nov 19 04:43 |
| schestowitz | no clown computing | Nov 19 04:43 |
| schestowitz | no www | Nov 19 04:43 |
| schestowitz | fsf only evolved partially | Nov 19 04:43 |
| Mogzagain | yes, he did an article saying is it Tiny distro is best, but increasingly these solutions become more technical, beyond non-technical users, etc, or nothing will work, etc | Nov 19 04:43 |
| cubexyz | 1983 I think it was | Nov 19 04:43 |
| schestowitz | [04:42] <Mogzagain> figosdev says there's no real point creating groups, as big tech will just take over ... NO; ppl allow that, and, if they don't, that won't happen. | Nov 19 04:43 |
| cubexyz | when RMS started GNU | Nov 19 04:43 |
| schestowitz | the latest article says the opposite | Nov 19 04:43 |
| schestowitz | it says more groups need to be created | Nov 19 04:43 |
| schestowitz | even small groups | Nov 19 04:43 |
| schestowitz | and then federated | Nov 19 04:44 |
| schestowitz | it's hard to corrupt them all | Nov 19 04:44 |
| Mogzagain | yes, collabs may go on, but not publicly, and not winning against the negative stuff on linux, and not inspiring users or getting ppl together, unfortunately | Nov 19 04:44 |
| schestowitz | and they can remove 'infected'/corrupt ones from the loop | Nov 19 04:44 |
| Mogzagain | yes, truth-telling is important, but the message seems to be we're f*cked, sort it yourself ... why do articles like that? ppl are depressed enough, and rms fought and won for 30 yrs from a lot smaller group and from scratch | Nov 19 04:44 |
| schestowitz | i think calling it 'linux' for example is not helping | Nov 19 04:45 |
| schestowitz | so that's one thing to address | Nov 19 04:45 |
| schestowitz | teach people about freedom, using the right concepts and terms | Nov 19 04:45 |
| Mogzagain | yes, we're all depressed and fed up, yes, ms buying github and red hat selling out, is really crap, but is the only solution ultimately offline? | Nov 19 04:45 |
| schestowitz | http://techrights.org/2020/01/02/gnu-programs-as-linux-commands/ | Nov 19 04:45 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | GNU Programs Aren’t “Linux Commands” But GNU Programs | Techrights | Nov 19 04:45 | |
| schestowitz | rms told me that by calling it linux we lead people to Torvalds' non-philosophy | Nov 19 04:45 |
| schestowitz | which boils down to betrayal | Nov 19 04:45 |
| schestowitz | and calling freedom fighters "Radicals" | Nov 19 04:46 |
| schestowitz | coders like him | Nov 19 04:46 |
| Mogzagain | oh lord, I'm seeing the quotes you're taking, and knowing figosdev will be hunting me down, lol haha. note to figosdev; nothing personal, just really concerned and hope something constructive can emerge. | Nov 19 04:46 |
| schestowitz | who don't get $1.5 million a year | Nov 19 04:46 |
| schestowitz | almost nobody talking about "free software" | Nov 19 04:46 |
| Mogzagain | but he finishes with saying that big tech will take over anyway, re any groups | Nov 19 04:46 |
| schestowitz | people say "open source"... and to some it means Github, which is PROPRIETARY | Nov 19 04:47 |
| schestowitz | and an attack on it | Nov 19 04:47 |
| schestowitz | more people in gnu/linux, like debian devs, now say "Free software | Nov 19 04:47 |
| schestowitz | more than before | Nov 19 04:47 |
| Mogzagain | you know I mean freedom-loving gnu linux | Nov 19 04:47 |
| schestowitz | so more of them too are realising "open source" is dead as a brand | Nov 19 04:47 |
| schestowitz | in the arts don't say "open source" either | Nov 19 04:47 |
| Mogzagain | I've made lots of stands about privacy, and still trying to recover from that ... which says it all really, which is why my question is where do those who love freedom/respect/privacy go, except offline? | Nov 19 04:48 |
| schestowitz | creative commons are licences | Nov 19 04:48 |
| Mogzagain | with the heckles of 'you should have contributed' fading into the distance, lol | Nov 19 04:48 |
| schestowitz | and unless someone hijacks the CC.org and then perturbs the legal text, they cannot perturb that | Nov 19 04:48 |
| Mogzagain | yes, I obviously meant gnu/freedom | Nov 19 04:48 |
| Mogzagain | open source is corrupted | Nov 19 04:49 |
| schestowitz | there's more money in "LINUX" now | Nov 19 04:49 |
| schestowitz | like server sales | Nov 19 04:49 |
| schestowitz | so companies like IBM blow half their savings on a brand | Nov 19 04:49 |
| cubexyz | gnu/freedom/gcc/X/linux-kernel/and-don't-forget-the-original-bell-labs-unix | Nov 19 04:49 |
| schestowitz | and a distro with that brand | Nov 19 04:49 |
| Mogzagain | yes, free software, the freedoms/respect/values/privacy | Nov 19 04:49 |
| schestowitz | whose code is mostly free and anyone can pick | Nov 19 04:49 |
| schestowitz | Microsoft 'loves' Linux because it tries to make money off it... with patents and infiltrations | Nov 19 04:50 |
| schestowitz | those are symptoms of gnu becoming too srong | Nov 19 04:50 |
| schestowitz | *strong | Nov 19 04:50 |
| cubexyz | we all all still better off than we were in 2000 | Nov 19 04:50 |
| Mogzagain | yes, the parasites keep parasiting ... but, whatever they're all doing, surely all of us need our energy to safeguard what matters, personally and together | Nov 19 04:50 |
| cubexyz | we are all | Nov 19 04:50 |
| schestowitz | so they throw like billions at a repo "hub" that's losing money | Nov 19 04:50 |
| schestowitz | and azure losing money | Nov 19 04:50 |
| schestowitz | (azure has layoffs) | Nov 19 04:50 |
| Mogzagain | the negatives only bring depression and drain energies | Nov 19 04:51 |
| schestowitz | just to TRY -- to MAYBE --- >ONE DAY< somehow take over the threat | Nov 19 04:51 |
| schestowitz | Mogzagain: too much optimism lulls people | Nov 19 04:51 |
| schestowitz | and then end up "getting on with the show"... putting code on shithub | Nov 19 04:52 |
| schestowitz | i.e. donating their hard work to Microsoft | Nov 19 04:52 |
| schestowitz | to help them farm the work and spy on users of it | Nov 19 04:52 |
| schestowitz | to undermine us collectively | Nov 19 04:52 |
| Mogzagain | I have to say no to that. How I manage to function, what with all this 'linux' stuff, ill health, and what's going on this year, is to focus on anything that is positive, and give that the respect/time/effort ... so that then grows, and that is a strong resource | Nov 19 04:52 |
| schestowitz | being combative helps us fight back against the reactionary infiltration attempts | Nov 19 04:52 |
| schestowitz | so then we stand a chance thwarting the attacks | Nov 19 04:52 |
| schestowitz | we also do positive posts | Nov 19 04:53 |
| Mogzagain | if we're talking about freedoms/privacy/respect, it has to be about brightening things, as rms did for 30 years, enabling privacy/freedom and enjoyable sharing and use of tech | Nov 19 04:53 |
| schestowitz | but "happy stories" aren't the majority | Nov 19 04:53 |
| schestowitz | RMS didn't start with brightening things | Nov 19 04:53 |
| schestowitz | rather a cautionary tale | Nov 19 04:53 |
| Mogzagain | those supporting shithub (I normally call it that too!) should be put to one side. remove code too, done job | Nov 19 04:53 |
| schestowitz | about the death of the "hacker culture" | Nov 19 04:54 |
| schestowitz | which lost more and more people | Nov 19 04:54 |
| schestowitz | he said he was the "last true hacker" | Nov 19 04:54 |
| schestowitz | "survivor of a dead culture" | Nov 19 04:54 |
| schestowitz | that's hardly a motivational framing | Nov 19 04:54 |
| Mogzagain | but e.g. if a dictatorship ruin a country, the good ppl go somewhere else, and all's well | Nov 19 04:54 |
| schestowitz | he said "I wish I had killed myself" (or not been born, not sure which, have to look that up) | Nov 19 04:54 |
| Mogzagain | so wouldn't it be great to gather energies and see where the good stuf and the good ppl are best served, if things are so dire on 'linux' and everyone is so depressed that it's just miserable messages day in day out | Nov 19 04:55 |
| schestowitz | I don't share that belief | Nov 19 04:55 |
| schestowitz | first, make more people push to delete github | Nov 19 04:55 |
| schestowitz | I can't do it on my own | Nov 19 04:55 |
| Mogzagain | and by brightening things, I don't necessarily mean saving 'linux', if it's so far gone ... I mean going somewhere else | Nov 19 04:55 |
| schestowitz | many in techrights push towards it | Nov 19 04:56 |
| schestowitz | but we need thousands demanding it | Nov 19 04:56 |
| schestowitz | that's why Microsoft reinstated youtube-dl for now | Nov 19 04:56 |
| schestowitz | many left github | Nov 19 04:56 |
| schestowitz | some made plans to leave | Nov 19 04:56 |
| Mogzagain | so, ways to bypass things, new ways of using tech e.g. I now use RSS, minimum browser, not bookmarks in browser, spend more time offline, etc etc | Nov 19 04:56 |
| schestowitz | and fewer people signed up to the shit-hub | Nov 19 04:56 |
| schestowitz | so they needed a face-saving damage-controlling PR stunt | Nov 19 04:56 |
| schestowitz | saying they "stand for devs" | Nov 19 04:57 |
| schestowitz | they stand for themselves" | Nov 19 04:57 |
| Mogzagain | where are efforts best pointed to? if things are as bleak as everyone keeps saying, there must be other stuff to do, elsewhere | Nov 19 04:57 |
| schestowitz | to keep those devs turning into Microsoft's slaves | Nov 19 04:57 |
| schestowitz | you mix two issues | Nov 19 04:57 |
| Mogzagain | I'm all for combat and post positively; done it plenty, but if you're doing that in the middle of mordor is that the happiest and most productive place to do that? | Nov 19 04:57 |
| schestowitz | one is Free software | Nov 19 04:57 |
| schestowitz | another is privacy etc. | Nov 19 04:57 |
| schestowitz | there's loosely connected | Nov 19 04:58 |
| schestowitz | motivational postings barely exist | Nov 19 04:58 |
| oiaohm | schestowitz: there is something is simple to overlook. github problem is not just a threat to open source. Take valve the company that has had stuff hosted on github they now have there own gitlab. | Nov 19 04:58 |
| schestowitz | in mainstream media they boil down to | Nov 19 04:58 |
| schestowitz | "we won, GitHub is used a lot!" | Nov 19 04:58 |
| Mogzagain | masybe it's my belief that if something comes to an end, there's a vacuum, and something new to do, that IS there, and just needs energies pulling out of the dying stuff and into what DOES respect/value ppl and privacy ... that's my quest | Nov 19 04:58 |
| schestowitz | "be happy, Microsoft is our friend" | Nov 19 04:58 |
| schestowitz | these stories ENRAGE GNU/Linux users | Nov 19 04:59 |
| schestowitz | they don't motivate them | Nov 19 04:59 |
| oiaohm | The fun old problem of conflit of interest. | Nov 19 04:59 |
| schestowitz | because they're having their hard work raped by the very thing they sought to replace | Nov 19 04:59 |
| Mogzagain | we're not stuck with being online or with 'linux', ultimately ... the pc turns off and we have privacy/freedom, at this point at least ... but then that taps into much bigger issues too. so I realise what I say may sound ideal in some ways, but reading articles saying do it yourself, but big tech'll take over anyway, and we won't support you, didn't feel too helpful, or necessary, and honestly just makes life harder | Nov 19 05:00 |
| Mogzagain | RMS has done an incredible job, all credit to him, forever inspiring, especially if he worked through such dark feelings in order to contribute so much | Nov 19 05:00 |
| Mogzagain | it's hard; a big topic, what with how things are in the world too ... so it seems to come down to how privacy etc can be maintained, in whatever form, and ppl NOT giving in. there are billions of ppl, yet a small shithub/gvmts ... if every person removes their code from shithub, big effect ... etc etc | Nov 19 05:02 |
| schestowitz | [05:00] <Mogzagain> we're not stuck with being online or with 'linux', ultimately ... the pc turns off and we have privacy/freedom, at this point at least ... but then that taps into much bigger issues too. so I realise what I say may sound ideal in some ways, but reading articles saying do it yourself, but big tech'll take over anyway, and we won't support you, didn't feel too helpful, or necessary, and honestly just makes life harder | Nov 19 05:02 |
| schestowitz | speaking of... | Nov 19 05:02 |
| schestowitz | apropos.. | Nov 19 05:02 |
| schestowitz | re privacy | Nov 19 05:02 |
| schestowitz | the much greater sin is, | Nov 19 05:02 |
| schestowitz | people with android 'phones' | Nov 19 05:02 |
| schestowitz | those do far greater harm to privacy across many aspects | Nov 19 05:02 |
| schestowitz | so if you want to talk about most people's privacy... well, many never go offline | Nov 19 05:03 |
| Mogzagain | again, everyone feels alone, you say you're doing it alone ... no; I avoid github, have no code on there, etc etc. many many ppl do their bit, yet we all feel alone with that. | Nov 19 05:03 |
| schestowitz | they literally put a spying device next to their pillow at night | Nov 19 05:03 |
| schestowitz | for alarm, notifications, who knows what else | Nov 19 05:03 |
| Mogzagain | just nobody knows anybody else is doing that | Nov 19 05:03 |
| schestowitz | and Google uploads MEGABYTES of data overnight | Nov 19 05:03 |
| oiaohm | Really think how often google and apple and amozon voice assistant records people who are not the owner of the device. | Nov 19 05:03 |
| schestowitz | we need to compartmentalise a bit | Nov 19 05:03 |
| Mogzagain | ms WANT the devs is why they did their recent message/action | Nov 19 05:04 |
| oiaohm | Its one thing to have a device that spying on you that you agree to have it spy on. | Nov 19 05:04 |
| Mogzagain | regardless of whether 'linux' loses more devs, which is on the devs of course | Nov 19 05:04 |
| schestowitz | if we talk about gnu and shithub, then tuning a machine off and on isn't so much the thing to discuss, those are separate issues | Nov 19 05:04 |
| oiaohm | Its a different matter to be spying on everyone near you who did not give permission. | Nov 19 05:04 |
| oiaohm | Really good question how often are voice assistants techically breaking the law. | Nov 19 05:05 |
| Mogzagain | hard to do the right things and see others not do that, so defaulting to 'I've got to do what I can to honour the freedoms and myself' is how many tread water | Nov 19 05:05 |
| schestowitz | [05:04] <Mogzagain> regardless of whether 'linux' loses more devs, which is on the devs of course | Nov 19 05:05 |
| schestowitz | we get more devs during corona | Nov 19 05:05 |
| Mogzagain | waiting for others to join in ... maybe they will, the more invasive and miserable life out there gets | Nov 19 05:05 |
| schestowitz | I heard and saw numbers | Nov 19 05:05 |
| schestowitz | github has been waning for years | Nov 19 05:05 |
| schestowitz | Microsoft embushed it for 4 years | Nov 19 05:05 |
| schestowitz | to let it grow more | Nov 19 05:06 |
| schestowitz | after codeplex died | Nov 19 05:06 |
| Mogzagain | yes, ms is NOT our friend, only after what IT wants | Nov 19 05:06 |
| schestowitz | skype lost its near monopoly | Nov 19 05:06 |
| schestowitz | github will be next | Nov 19 05:06 |
| schestowitz | but we can accelerate this process | Nov 19 05:06 |
| schestowitz | with activism and shaming | Nov 19 05:06 |
| schestowitz | asking projects to pull off it | Nov 19 05:06 |
| schestowitz | and sometimes they do | Nov 19 05:06 |
| schestowitz | the bigger the project, the better | Nov 19 05:06 |
| DaemonFC[m] | The state's going to have another stay at home order. | Nov 19 05:06 |
| schestowitz | because those are dependencies to many other projects. curl, perl... | Nov 19 05:06 |
| DaemonFC[m] | We go into some sort of partial shutdown on Friday. | Nov 19 05:07 |
| oiaohm | https://github.com/pricing I always like on here "Unlimited public/private repositories" its not really a private repository when you are sharing it with Microsoft who in a lot of cases can be your competition in that market space. | Nov 19 05:07 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Pricing · Plans for every developer · GitHub | Nov 19 05:07 | |
| Mogzagain | oh don't even get me started on android, lol | Nov 19 05:07 |
| Mogzagain | old phone, no wifi, just calls | Nov 19 05:07 |
| schestowitz | DaemonFC[m]: good | Nov 19 05:07 |
| schestowitz | better later than never | Nov 19 05:07 |
| schestowitz | look what happened in England, about 400 deaths a day now | Nov 19 05:07 |
| DaemonFC[m] | schestowitz: Most states are going that way, even the ones that were making light of this before. | Nov 19 05:07 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Now that it's back and killing fucking everyone, I suppose. | Nov 19 05:08 |
| Mogzagain | yes, ppl need to simplify ... run a little free software alarm on the desktop, note it on paper, set an actual alarm clock! | Nov 19 05:08 |
| schestowitz | Mogzagain: so it's on the antenna | Nov 19 05:08 |
| schestowitz | they follow your movement | Nov 19 05:08 |
| schestowitz | and can enable cam+mic remotely | Nov 19 05:08 |
| schestowitz | as happens often | Nov 19 05:08 |
| Mogzagain | no smart ... how lazy do ppl have to be to buy into that?! | Nov 19 05:08 |
| schestowitz | esp. when they think you're an "interesting" person | Nov 19 05:08 |
| DaemonFC[m] | I may move to a Pixelbook eventually. | Nov 19 05:08 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Not this current batch though. | Nov 19 05:08 |
| Mogzagain | yes, amazon ring, various devices ... all picking up on conversations/movements of those who NEVER gave permission | Nov 19 05:09 |
| schestowitz | DaemonFC[m]: no lockdown = 9/11 per day around xmas time | Nov 19 05:09 |
| DaemonFC[m] | With a processor refresh and some more refinement on the Linux container, I think it would be quite good. | Nov 19 05:09 |
| Mogzagain | and do we hear that e.g. a burglary was thwarted, someone rescued from fire, etc, because of this crap smart invasive stuff ... nope | Nov 19 05:09 |
| schestowitz | Mogzagain: I socially distance myself from people who use "smart" things | Nov 19 05:09 |
| schestowitz | Mogzagain: those things CAUSE fires | Nov 19 05:10 |
| schestowitz | and also help the police justify RAIDING homes | Nov 19 05:10 |
| schestowitz | it's safety for the regime | Nov 19 05:10 |
| Mogzagain | yes, regarding more devs due to this year's changes ... had hoped they'd get more involved with the free software side | Nov 19 05:10 |
| schestowitz | not for the user | Nov 19 05:10 |
| schestowitz | the user isn't in control of it | Nov 19 05:10 |
| DaemonFC[m] | I found about $20 more in meat markdowns. | Nov 19 05:10 |
| Mogzagain | github still had the power to remove youtube-dl and implement spying on private repos, so they seem to be powering on | Nov 19 05:10 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Surprises me that there are so many. There never used to be so many. | Nov 19 05:10 |
| schestowitz | amazon has just recalled about 400,000 smart "ring" shite... after they caused many home fires | Nov 19 05:11 |
| schestowitz | it's beyond me how a camera can catch on fire... enough to burn down a house | Nov 19 05:11 |
| DaemonFC[m] | schestowitz: I've never been eating better than I am now, to be honest. | Nov 19 05:11 |
| schestowitz | Amazon has a product called "Kindle" | Nov 19 05:11 |
| schestowitz | and "fire" | Nov 19 05:11 |
| DaemonFC[m] | It's pretty cheap too. Guess people are just not buying a lot of meat for some reason. | Nov 19 05:11 |
| schestowitz | we know what "kindle" means in English... | Nov 19 05:11 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Yeah, a bundle of firewood, right? | Nov 19 05:12 |
| schestowitz | Now ring is like the ring in lord of the rings.... fiety | Nov 19 05:12 |
| schestowitz | *fiery | Nov 19 05:12 |
| oiaohm | schestowitz: cheap lithium ion batteries with the ring door bells. | Nov 19 05:12 |
| DaemonFC[m] | PRECIOUS! | Nov 19 05:12 |
| DaemonFC[m] | THEY TAKES THE PRECIOUS FROM POOR SMEAGOL!!!! | Nov 19 05:12 |
| Mogzagain | why don't the very tech able do a series on how to block cam and mic, for example | Nov 19 05:12 |
| DaemonFC[m] | GOLLUM!!!! GOLLUM!!!! | Nov 19 05:12 |
| schestowitz | no money in it | Nov 19 05:12 |
| schestowitz | the VC for tech | Nov 19 05:12 |
| schestowitz | military funds | Nov 19 05:12 |
| schestowitz | 27 trillion national debt | Nov 19 05:12 |
| schestowitz | 1.1 trillion for military PER year | Nov 19 05:13 |
| schestowitz | last I checked | Nov 19 05:13 |
| schestowitz | Trump increased it | Nov 19 05:13 |
| DaemonFC[m] | schestowitz: What do you think of the troop drawdown he just ordered from Iraq and Afghanistan? | Nov 19 05:13 |
| schestowitz | so I'd imagine budget+black budget might be at 1.3 trillion a year | Nov 19 05:13 |
| Mogzagain | yes, tech is to use against ppl, increasingly, instead of working WITH ppl for everyone's wellbeing and safety | Nov 19 05:13 |
| DaemonFC[m] | The neoliberals are shitting themselves. | Nov 19 05:13 |
| schestowitz | they use that to stimulate tech 'companies' | Nov 19 05:13 |
| oiaohm | schestowitz: lithium iron phosphate battery don't catch fire no matter what happens. They are slightly more expensive to make and have slightly less capacity. | Nov 19 05:13 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Good, I suppose. Another right thing for the wrong reason. | Nov 19 05:13 |
| schestowitz | basically international espionage operations | Nov 19 05:13 |
| schestowitz | to keep the US Army on top of who says what where | Nov 19 05:13 |
| schestowitz | e.g. by undermining 'hostile' (to US Empire) politicians by public shaming through espionage | Nov 19 05:14 |
| oiaohm | Most other lithium iron batteries can burn and you are depending on a BMC to make sure that does not happen. | Nov 19 05:14 |
| schestowitz | Russia does that also | Nov 19 05:14 |
| Mogzagain | devices that risk ppl's lives .. hopefully that wakes even more ppl up | Nov 19 05:14 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Trump is removing half of them "by January 20th". | Nov 19 05:14 |
| schestowitz | but its budget and reach is vastly lower | Nov 19 05:14 |
| DaemonFC[m] | schestowitz: He plans to be gone, but he'll never admit that he lost. | Nov 19 05:14 |
| schestowitz | [05:13] <DaemonFC[m]> schestowitz: What do you think of the troop drawdown he just ordered from Iraq and Afghanistan? | Nov 19 05:14 |
| schestowitz | they're relcoated | Nov 19 05:14 |
| schestowitz | dispersed to other oil sources | Nov 19 05:14 |
| oiaohm | Cheaper lithium ion batteries + cheap made BMC=ring door bell catch fire. | Nov 19 05:14 |
| schestowitz | they're not "coming back home" | Nov 19 05:14 |
| schestowitz | [05:14] <Mogzagain> devices that risk ppl's lives .. hopefully that wakes even more ppl up | Nov 19 05:16 |
| schestowitz | xbox also burned down houses | Nov 19 05:16 |
| schestowitz | killing babies at times | Nov 19 05:16 |
| schestowitz | microsoft did not apologise | Nov 19 05:16 |
| schestowitz | it was called " | Nov 19 05:16 |
| schestowitz | "red ring of fire" | Nov 19 05:16 |
| schestowitz | iirc | Nov 19 05:16 |
| schestowitz | I think because of LoTR | Nov 19 05:16 |
| schestowitz | serves people right for buying bad things... but the kids made not those choices | Nov 19 05:17 |
| Mogzagain | I can see the topic change, so no worries, need to take off anyway. If I can request e.g. an article on how non-tech ppl can ensure mic/cam is off, for example, would that be something good? and, again, no offense intended figosdev; just some very critical issues came up via reading the article, and, yes this negative monster is a big one, but what good things can we all do to cope and maintain privacy/freedom as much as possible? if main | Nov 19 05:17 |
| Mogzagain | figureheads are acting as if everything's lost already. | Nov 19 05:17 |
| schestowitz | and for terraced houses/apartments there's a chance they'll also punish their neighbours, even kill them | Nov 19 05:17 |
| Mogzagain | thanks for your time, and no offense intended about any of this. stay safe. | Nov 19 05:17 |
| schestowitz | chhers | Nov 19 05:18 |
| Mogzagain | cheers, and thanks for your work. | Nov 19 05:18 |
| Mogzagain | all the best. | Nov 19 05:18 |
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| schestowitz | Official Trump 2020 App collected phone numbers from contact lists without consent and could sell that data https://www.privateinternetaccess.com/blog/official-trump-2020-app-collected-phone-numbers-from-contact-lists-without-consent-and-could-sell-that-data/ | Nov 19 05:18 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.privateinternetaccess.com | Official Trump 2020 App collected phone numbers from contact lists without consent and could sell that data | Nov 19 05:18 | |
| oiaohm | Did he process that data for working out how they connect to each other. | Nov 19 05:20 |
| oiaohm | There is a lot of horrible information in a data list like that. | Nov 19 05:20 |
| schestowitz | DaemonFC[m]: https://www.democracynow.org/2020/11/18/el_paso_texas_coronavirus_cases_deaths | Nov 19 05:25 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.democracynow.org | As COVID Deaths Soar, El Paso at Breaking Point with Hospitals & Mobile Morgues Filling Up | Democracy Now! | Nov 19 05:25 | |
| DaemonFC[m] | I wonder what the California Consumer Privacy Act would have to say about that. | Nov 19 05:25 |
| DaemonFC[m] | schestowitz: Trump already lost. They no longer have him to protect, and they might not be re-elected if they don't take this seriously when Trump's out of the way and people may come to their senses and look at their state governments. | Nov 19 05:26 |
| DaemonFC[m] | schestowitz: Master's in Digital Currency from the University of Nicosia, you say? | Nov 19 05:27 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Cuckoo Cuckoo.... | Nov 19 05:27 |
| schestowitz | want to read my draft? | Nov 19 05:30 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Uh, okay | Nov 19 05:31 |
| schestowitz | thanks, just a sec... | Nov 19 05:32 |
| schestowitz | This (reminds me of what you did to Samsung in a video re GPL) http://techrights.org/2020/11/19/patent-trolling-dolby/ | Nov 19 05:33 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Dolby Patents Are Being Used in Patent-Trolling Activity Against GNU/Linux, But Dolby is Said to Be a GPL Violator | Techrights | Nov 19 05:33 | |
| schestowitz | DaemonFC[m]: ^ | Nov 19 05:33 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Yeah, I managed to get the Busybox people after them too. | Nov 19 05:33 |
| schestowitz | :-D | Nov 19 05:34 |
| schestowitz | they hired compliance staff | Nov 19 05:34 |
| schestowitz | so we get more of the code back... code they employ staff to produce with millions in salaries... that's how Free software gets the upper hand | Nov 19 05:35 |
| DaemonFC[m] | "Patents as a topic seem to be waning and it’s easily measurable, using a number of different criteria/yardsticks, e.g. number of lawsuits, number of articles and so on." > Patents, as a topic, seem to be waning, and it's easily measurable using a number of different criteria (e.g., number of lawsuits, number of articles, and so on). | Nov 19 05:39 |
| DaemonFC[m] | That's all that's really jumping out at me. | Nov 19 05:40 |
| schestowitz | thanks, I will correct things | Nov 19 05:47 |
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| DaemonFC[m] | This is troubling. | Nov 19 05:49 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Google says a Nexus 5 signed into my account two hours ago. | Nov 19 05:50 |
| DaemonFC[m] | I don't own a Nexus 5. | Nov 19 05:50 |
| schestowitz | you do NOW | Nov 19 05:50 |
| schestowitz | you might want to read this: | Nov 19 05:50 |
| MinceR | time to change your password :> | Nov 19 05:51 |
| schestowitz | v | Nov 19 05:52 |
| schestowitz | https://www.reddit.com/r/programming/comments/jvor6q/daniel_stenbergs_curl_twitter_account_compromised/ | Nov 19 05:52 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.reddit.com | Daniel Stenberg's (cURL) Twitter account compromised : programming | Nov 19 05:52 | |
| DaemonFC[m] | Okay, I figured it out. | Nov 19 06:01 |
| DaemonFC[m] | That extension I use in Firefox to lie to Google that I totally forgot about. | Nov 19 06:01 |
| DaemonFC[m] | They hand Chrome a version of Google with more features. | Nov 19 06:01 |
| DaemonFC[m] | So that extension says it's Chrome on a Nexus 5. | Nov 19 06:01 |
| DaemonFC[m] | schestowitz: Some porn spammer on Reddit invited me to some chatroom called date and fuck. | Nov 19 06:02 |
| DaemonFC[m] | That place is just totally falling apart. | Nov 19 06:02 |
| schestowitz | reddit a sinking ship? | Nov 19 06:04 |
| schestowitz | we always still have so-called 'hacker' so-called 'news' (HN) | Nov 19 06:04 |
| schestowitz | DaemonFC[m]: can you spot typos: http://techrights.org/2020/11/19/repeated-lockdowns/ (published seconds ago) | Nov 19 06:05 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Techrights in an Age of Repeated Lockdowns Reality | Techrights | Nov 19 06:05 | |
| DaemonFC[m] | Wait, someone died? | Nov 19 06:08 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Who? | Nov 19 06:08 |
| schestowitz | the datacentre guy | Nov 19 06:08 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Sorry to hear that. | Nov 19 06:09 |
| DaemonFC[m] | schestowitz: The effectiveness of the COVID vaccines announced by Pfizer and Moderna is great news, if true. | Nov 19 06:11 |
| DaemonFC[m] | The production capacity is not so great. | Nov 19 06:11 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Even if they do meet their goal, and it's a two part vaccine, only about 675 million people in the entire world can get the vaccine in the next 14 months. | Nov 19 06:12 |
| DaemonFC[m] | It'll slow it down. More so in the US, which will make sure that it gets the majority of those doses. | Nov 19 06:12 |
| schestowitz | you assume it is effective | Nov 19 06:12 |
| DaemonFC[m] | But you can't convince people to take a vaccine that they don't trust. | Nov 19 06:12 |
| schestowitz | they hardly even tell the ages of the test subjects | Nov 19 06:13 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Well, based on the published studies, it appears as though it is. | Nov 19 06:13 |
| DaemonFC[m] | I admit it sounds almost too good to be true, other than the production capacity. | Nov 19 06:13 |
| DaemonFC[m] | We'd need much, much more capacity. | Nov 19 06:13 |
| schestowitz | meh | Nov 19 06:13 |
| schestowitz | sounds like artificial scarcity trick | Nov 19 06:14 |
| schestowitz | to prop up prices | Nov 19 06:14 |
| DaemonFC[m] | It would need to be provisioned to the people at the highest risk of infection and death. | Nov 19 06:14 |
| schestowitz | and lower production to increase demand | Nov 19 06:14 |
| schestowitz | the whole thing has red flags | Nov 19 06:14 |
| schestowitz | and this is a really scummy company | Nov 19 06:14 |
| schestowitz | which has financial misconduct | Nov 19 06:14 |
| DaemonFC[m] | 1.3 billion doses in a year seems like a lot to me. | Nov 19 06:14 |
| schestowitz | its own head dumped the shares | Nov 19 06:14 |
| schestowitz | after this announcement | Nov 19 06:14 |
| schestowitz | so you assume even the leadership doesn't believe in it | Nov 19 06:15 |
| schestowitz | though it bumped up the shares momentarily | Nov 19 06:15 |
| schestowitz | Russian now tests its own vaccine | Nov 19 06:15 |
| schestowitz | by the same people who make it | Nov 19 06:15 |
| schestowitz | [03:26] [Notice] -TechrightsSocial to #boycottnovell-social- @schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: My general baseline is, after #covid19 there's no "going back to normal" (office space and city centre living investments will PLUNGE) and for the next 2-3 years there will be no >effective< vaccination of any kind, mostly falsely-marketed (for false hope/profit) mass-produced junk | Nov 19 06:15 |
| schestowitz | [11:01] [Notice] -viera to #boycottnovell-social- Dr. Roy Schestowitz (罗伊): How NOT to test #vaccines : Russia’s #coronavirus vaccine trials are conducting their own studies of its effectiveness https://meduza.io/en/feature/2020/11/17/searching-for-antibodies [https://pleroma.site/objects/01e91660-858a-4662-96ad-b5e14bcbea11] | Nov 19 06:16 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-meduza.io | NO TITLE | Nov 19 06:16 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-pleroma.site | Nov 19 06:16 | |
| schestowitz | maybe those can lessen the chance of death | Nov 19 06:17 |
| schestowitz | but that does not say much | Nov 19 06:17 |
| schestowitz | lessen by how much? 5%? | Nov 19 06:17 |
| schestowitz | any side effects? | Nov 19 06:17 |
| schestowitz | short term? | Nov 19 06:17 |
| schestowitz | long term? | Nov 19 06:17 |
| schestowitz | will that work in 6 months also as the virus mutates? | Nov 19 06:17 |
| schestowitz | was it tested in young people? | Nov 19 06:17 |
| schestowitz | what were the controls | Nov 19 06:17 |
| schestowitz | and the test conditions? | Nov 19 06:17 |
| schestowitz | Did they reintroduce the subjects to covid, as many are in covid wards in hospitals? | Nov 19 06:18 |
| schestowitz | they likely produce some optimal conditions | Nov 19 06:18 |
| schestowitz | helps their stock go higher | Nov 19 06:18 |
| schestowitz | oxford/astrazeneca/gates withdrew | Nov 19 06:18 |
| schestowitz | without even explaining why | Nov 19 06:18 |
| schestowitz | the details | Nov 19 06:18 |
| schestowitz | so apparently it was far too embarrassing | Nov 19 06:18 |
| schestowitz | and they gave this to a lot of people | Nov 19 06:19 |
| schestowitz | of course expressing such opinions is bound to get one slandered as "antivaxx" | Nov 19 06:19 |
| schestowitz | because all supposed vaccines are 100% legit | Nov 19 06:19 |
| schestowitz | even those made in a rush in 5 months and and not 5 years, with actual testing | Nov 19 06:20 |
| schestowitz | the actual antivaxxer will be having a day field soon | Nov 19 06:20 |
| schestowitz | if all those experimental vaccine turn out to have obvious side effects | Nov 19 06:20 |
| schestowitz | or prove to be less than reasonably effective | Nov 19 06:20 |
| schestowitz | gn | Nov 19 06:21 |
| schestowitz | laters, need a nap | Nov 19 06:21 |
| DaemonFC[m] | I read that the only side effect deemed severe that occurred in more than 2% of people was some fatigue after the second dose. | Nov 19 06:24 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Bill Gates had an odd comment about anti-maskers. | Nov 19 06:24 |
| DaemonFC[m] | "What are these people? Like nudists or something?". | Nov 19 06:24 |
| DaemonFC[m] | He compared it to not wanting to wear pants. | Nov 19 06:24 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Yeah, totally comparable. | Nov 19 06:24 |
| DaemonFC[m] | I usually have trouble breathing unless I can go around in public without my pants on. | Nov 19 06:25 |
| DaemonFC[m] | The masks are an annoyance. | Nov 19 06:25 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Being in the hospital with COVID would be more of an annoyance, which is why I say I fucking hate the masks but I wear them. Beats the alternative. | Nov 19 06:26 |
| MinceR | unfortunately, bill gates is much more than an annoyance | Nov 19 06:26 |
| DaemonFC[m] | MinceR: So most people are wearing the masks. | Nov 19 06:26 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Then where is all this COVID coming from? | Nov 19 06:26 |
| oiaohm | schestowitz: Virus does not have to mutate if it stays around long enough human immune system will forget. | Nov 19 06:26 |
| MinceR | well, here people don't give a fuck | Nov 19 06:27 |
| MinceR | the government is testing how hard they can abuse the situation | Nov 19 06:27 |
| MinceR | the rest of the people act as if nothing was going on | Nov 19 06:27 |
| MinceR | so it shouldn't be a surprise that despite their efforts to avoid testing and to misrepresent deaths (or just lie about them), even the official numbers show extreme spread | Nov 19 06:28 |
| DaemonFC[m] | I had some ibotta rebates for that Tom's of Maine mouthwash. | Nov 19 06:30 |
| DaemonFC[m] | So I looked at it at Walmart. Almost $6 for a bottle that's not really big. | Nov 19 06:30 |
| DaemonFC[m] | And with all this stuff about being "all natural", I noticed there were no active ingredients anywhere. | Nov 19 06:30 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Colgate bought them out in 2006 and is running them to sound like some mom and pop. | Nov 19 06:31 |
| DaemonFC[m] | They promote overpriced products to the woo woo people. | Nov 19 06:32 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Like toothpaste without any fluoride in it. | Nov 19 06:32 |
| oiaohm | Fun fact is a few flu strains have been around the world more than once without mutation due to human immune forgetful ness. | Nov 19 06:32 |
| DaemonFC[m] | More than a few. | Nov 19 06:35 |
| DaemonFC[m] | There's thousands, so yeah, it's just a question of which few crowd out the rest each year. | Nov 19 06:35 |
| MinceR | one of these days the nazi chucklefucks reported more known new cases than tests performed | Nov 19 06:37 |
| MinceR | but hey, a large chunk of the population is still in favor of these dangerous idiots | Nov 19 06:37 |
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| vZS1 | schestowitz: Re: taking your IPFS node offline. I maintain a full mirror so you shouldn't have to worry about your node going offline for a while. I do a lot of experiments on my node but it's generally online 24/7. | Nov 19 08:39 |
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| schestowitz | vZS1: ok, cheers | Nov 19 09:16 |
| schestowitz | vZS1: we might be adding text-only versions for IRC logs | Nov 19 09:21 |
| schestowitz | the code is in place | Nov 19 09:21 |
| schestowitz | just need to decide whether to include it and, if so, in what scheme | Nov 19 09:21 |
| schestowitz | maybe even one single file for all channels, split for each channel | Nov 19 09:22 |
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| vZS1 | schestowitz: I'd keep separate channels in separate files. Makes processing easier for readers | Nov 19 09:57 |
| vZS1 | Especially if it's plaintext | Nov 19 09:57 |
| schestowitz | ok | Nov 19 10:02 |
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| smnthermes | https://anonhq.com/bleach-away-defect-medical-abuse-disabled-children/ | Nov 19 13:10 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-anonhq.com | Bleach Away the Defect: The Medical Abuse of the Disabled and Children | Nov 19 13:10 | |
| smnthermes | Sad | Nov 19 13:10 |
| schestowitz | anon hq? | Nov 19 13:23 |
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| schestowitz | "Petition on the Office's proposal for a new Salary Adjustment Procedure (SAP) | Nov 19 13:34 |
| schestowitz | The online petition is CLOSED! | Nov 19 13:34 |
| schestowitz | We would like to thank all members who have participated in this online petition for their support, views, opinions and, above all, their time. | Nov 19 13:34 |
| schestowitz | SUEPO Central | Nov 19 13:34 |
| schestowitz | " | Nov 19 13:34 |
| schestowitz | it's done | Nov 19 13:34 |
| schestowitz | "You have elected your representatives to your Local Staff Committee (LSC) in June. The four LSCs in turn have elected the following representatives to the Central Staff Committee (CSC). The CSC has held its constituting meeting on 7 July 2020." | Nov 19 13:36 |
| schestowitz | ' | Nov 19 13:41 |
| schestowitz | The Medium-Term Business Plan (2021-2025) - Your Future, No Future | Nov 19 13:41 |
| schestowitz | The Finance Department and DG1 management are currently finalizing, behind closed doors, the Medium-Term Business Plan (2021-2025) which will shape the future of the work in DG1. | Nov 19 13:41 |
| schestowitz | The 2019 Financial Study with its overconservative assumptions and its non-existent financial gap was used to justify a cut of your purchasing power with the new salary adjustment procedure. The freeze in recruitment until 2024 means that you will be expected to increase productivity steeply. Thus, the study is now used together with the pandemic to justify an increase in the production pressure. | Nov 19 13:41 |
| schestowitz | The freeze in recruitment renders both the orientation paper on recruitment (CA/100/19) and the programme “Attract Talent” almost meaningless. The EPO will let highly experienced examiners and formalities officers leave without any possibility of knowledge transfer to new recruits. In addition, the upcoming reform of the education-related benefits and childcare allowance will not only harm EPO staff again and create a significant | Nov 19 13:41 |
| schestowitz | amount of unrest, it will further reduce the number of applications for future recruitments. | Nov 19 13:41 |
| schestowitz | " | Nov 19 13:41 |
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| DaemonFC[m] | MinceR I'm guessing that if they posted more positive results than tests, they're using the Ohio 2004 electoral strategy. | Nov 19 14:36 |
| DaemonFC[m] | More voters seem to approve of the party than registered voters living in those precincts. | Nov 19 14:37 |
| schestowitz | " | Nov 19 14:37 |
| schestowitz | Institutionalised injustice: Freedom of speech confirmed by the Appeals Committee | Nov 19 14:37 |
| schestowitz | The internal Appeal Committee has recently found that the Office was wrong in refusing the publication of two documents in 2016, i.e. a presentation and an open letter to PD4.3. The President of the Office has decided to follow the unanimous opinion of the Appeals Committee. As a result, almost four years later, the documents can now be published on the Intranet. | Nov 19 14:37 |
| schestowitz | We consider it legitimate to inform you without further delay about the basic principles of freedom of speech unanimously confirmed by the Appeals Committee. | Nov 19 14:37 |
| schestowitz | The case illustrates the incontrovertible fact that the delays in the internal justice system make judicial redress of abuse of power by the Administration an illusory exercise in many cases, especially in cases of censorship. | Nov 19 14:37 |
| schestowitz | You can find more details in this paper. | Nov 19 14:38 |
| schestowitz | Sincerely yours, | Nov 19 14:38 |
| schestowitz | The Central Staff Committee | Nov 19 14:38 |
| schestowitz | " | Nov 19 14:38 |
| DaemonFC[m] | My guess is that those votes they keep finding in Georgia are just local Republican officials that are trying to say they keep finding flash drives until Trump wins the state. | Nov 19 14:38 |
| schestowitz | DaemonFC[m]: with georgia green, can (d) dominate all 3 avenues? | Nov 19 14:38 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Hallelujah it's a miracle. | Nov 19 14:38 |
| schestowitz | wh, senate congress? | Nov 19 14:38 |
| DaemonFC[m] | schestowitz, You want my opinion on the special Senate runoff elections? | Nov 19 14:39 |
| schestowitz | because that would be karmaric for gop over trumpism chaos they went along with | Nov 19 14:39 |
| schestowitz | DaemonFC[m]: not that | Nov 19 14:39 |
| schestowitz | I want to know if democrats can still dominate the higher, lower and central 'houses' | Nov 19 14:39 |
| DaemonFC[m] | I'd say Republicans will most likely win both seats, but at an enormous cost. | Nov 19 14:39 |
| DaemonFC[m] | That's probably why they're pissed. | Nov 19 14:39 |
| DaemonFC[m] | I think the more realistic expectation for the Senate is that Republicans end up with a two seat majority in the Senate but then they lose it in a 50/50 split next cycle. | Nov 19 14:41 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Kamala Harris will be the busiest Vice President in decades halfway in. | Nov 19 14:41 |
| DaemonFC[m] | The Democrats have watched their agenda back up for over a decade at that point and they'll whip the vote and make hay while the sun is shining. | Nov 19 14:42 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Which is what they should have done last time, but Harry Reid was just awful leadership. | Nov 19 14:43 |
| DaemonFC[m] | schestowitz, there's some wildcards with the House. Trump rigged the Census and we just don't know how badly yet. He had Census workers in red states stuffing people who don't exist into empty houses. | Nov 19 14:44 |
| DaemonFC[m] | To affect apportionment. | Nov 19 14:44 |
| DaemonFC[m] | On the flip side, the Republicans can't gerrymander like they did last time. | Nov 19 14:45 |
| schestowitz | ha | Nov 19 14:46 |
| schestowitz | " | Nov 19 14:46 |
| schestowitz | The Office has started supplying home-office equipment in large quantity and facilitating its ordering for staff (see "From survey to action"). We welcome the commitment to a more ergonomic workplace at home. Nonetheless, we all need to start thinking about possible consequences such a switch to home office might entail, before being confronted with a "fait accompli". | Nov 19 14:46 |
| schestowitz | This paper should give you some food for thought. | Nov 19 14:46 |
| schestowitz | ' | Nov 19 14:46 |
| schestowitz | EPO still working from home | Nov 19 14:46 |
| schestowitz | almost 100% now | Nov 19 14:46 |
| DaemonFC[m] | A Census worker in Indiana is on the record saying orders from on high were that if she couldn't get a response she was supposed to punch in random occupancy data into her tablet and move on to the next. | Nov 19 14:46 |
| schestowitz | oh, ouch | Nov 19 14:46 |
| schestowitz | so data-gathering gets them garbage data | Nov 19 14:47 |
| schestowitz | reminds me of many such exercises | Nov 19 14:47 |
| schestowitz | where you then see people dealing with garbage like a science | Nov 19 14:47 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Yeah, what we don't know is were they doing that in every state or just padding the count where Republicans can use it to gain power? | Nov 19 14:48 |
| schestowitz | seems so | Nov 19 14:49 |
| schestowitz | bogus maps | Nov 19 14:49 |
| schestowitz | for false demography | Nov 19 14:49 |
| schestowitz | when you see when the popular voter never aligns with electors | Nov 19 14:49 |
| schestowitz | ideally it ought to be a very good surrogate, when things average out | Nov 19 14:49 |
| schestowitz | so the disparity is evidence of mischief | Nov 19 14:50 |
| schestowitz | THAT is the election fraud | Nov 19 14:50 |
| schestowitz | giving some constituents more power than others | Nov 19 14:50 |
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| DaemonFC[m] | Actually, Trump did better in the popular vote than the electoral vote. | Nov 19 15:08 |
| DaemonFC[m] | He still would have lost if they lines up perfectly, but oddly, by a lower margin. | Nov 19 15:08 |
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| vZS1 | I haven't implemented something based on a specification in ages. This project is refreshing | Nov 19 15:14 |
| vZS1 | The RSS 2.0 spec mentions SOAP. Haven't seen that one in ages. | Nov 19 15:15 |
| DaemonFC[m] | The Orange Nazi's Christmas gift to Americans is letting unemployment benefits expire the day after for 12 million workers who were left unemployed by the pandemic economy. | Nov 19 15:21 |
| DaemonFC[m] | He figures that if he can ruin the economy and leave people in a huge mess, that he can get one over on Joe Biden. | Nov 19 15:21 |
| DaemonFC[m] | https://www.npr.org/2020/11/19/936329130/12-million-to-lose-jobless-benefits-the-day-after-christmas-unless-congress-acts | Nov 19 15:21 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.npr.org | 12 Million To Lose Jobless Benefits The Day After Christmas Unless Congress Acts : NPR | Nov 19 15:21 | |
| DaemonFC[m] | Not that it should be an important issue, but it's worth asking.... How many of them voted for him and are going to be seriously harmed by this? Manual labor with no college degree was his base, so I'm guessing 60% of these people supported him. | Nov 19 15:23 |
| MinceR | (audio:important) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mopar3ddxOM | Nov 19 15:24 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Teenage Challenge - Top Gear - Series 13 - BBC - YouTube | Nov 19 15:24 | |
| schestowitz | DaemonFC[m]: https://www.commondreams.org/views/2020/11/18/georgia-runoffs-how-you-can-help-flip-senate | Nov 19 15:26 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.commondreams.org | Georgia Runoffs: How You Can Help Flip the Senate | Common Dreams Views | Nov 19 15:26 | |
| DaemonFC[m] | schestowitz: I suppose there's also the possibility that the Fed raises rates during a recession just to hurt Biden, but I see it as unlikely. | Nov 19 15:28 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Those big banks and corporate America don't want higher rates. | Nov 19 15:28 |
| DaemonFC[m] | And neither do Republicans, honestly. It makes it unpalatable to unleash vast amounts of cheap money on THEIR pet projects. | Nov 19 15:28 |
| MinceR | https://img.pr0gramm.com/2020/09/18/aaf01d9d5b74f43c.png | Nov 19 15:35 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Looked like Ted Cruz in the thumbnail. | Nov 19 15:36 |
| DaemonFC[m] | "Like Wolverine fucked a meatloaf." | Nov 19 15:36 |
| schestowitz | Kids, MinceR | Nov 19 15:36 |
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| DaemonFC[m] | https://www.al.com/news/2020/11/second-stimulus-check-gop-will-move-forward-with-stimulus-once-trump-exits-biden-says.html | Nov 19 15:41 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Second stimulus check: GOP will move forward with stimulus once Trump exits, Biden says - al.com | Nov 19 15:41 | |
| schestowitz | aha | Nov 19 15:44 |
| DaemonFC[m] | https://www.techradar.com/news/users-of-this-popular-vpn-service-could-be-subpoenaed-for-watching-one-movie | Nov 19 15:46 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Users of this popular torrent service could be subpoenaed for watching one movie | TechRadar | Nov 19 15:46 | |
| DaemonFC[m] | You can file a lawsuit against Doe defendants. | Nov 19 15:46 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Unmasking them is a totally different story. | Nov 19 15:47 |
| scientes | schestowitz, I thought Georgian Runoff was when it rains too hard here in Batumi | Nov 19 15:47 |
| DaemonFC[m] | If you never figure out who they are, doesn't matter much, does it? | Nov 19 15:47 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Neither one of the Republican candidates is happy about this. They have to run again and potentially lose, and they have to spend a bunch of money that they otherwise could have held onto for 2026. | Nov 19 15:48 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Trump caused the runoff to begin with. | Nov 19 15:48 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Although they'll both likely win, he did so poorly in Georgia that he dragged them down into rematch territory. | Nov 19 15:49 |
| schestowitz | ● NEWS ● #CommonDreams ☞ ‘Who Wants to Break the News to Him?’ #Trump Silent After #GOP Effort to Block #Election Certification in #Michigan Thwarted https://www.commondreams.org/news/2020/11/18/who-wants-break-news-him-trump-silent-after-gop-effort-block-election-certification Trump to get heart attack soon? | Nov 19 15:49 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.commondreams.org | 'Who Wants to Break the News to Him?' Trump Silent After GOP Effort to Block Election Certification in Michigan Thwarted | Common Dreams News | Nov 19 15:49 | |
| schestowitz | [15:46] <DaemonFC[m]> You can file a lawsuit against Doe defendants. | Nov 19 15:50 |
| schestowitz | So it's a faux vpn | Nov 19 15:50 |
| schestowitz | the basic idea is, | Nov 19 15:50 |
| schestowitz | they should not log | Nov 19 15:50 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Not really. They don't log. | Nov 19 15:50 |
| schestowitz | and such subpoenaes would be moot | Nov 19 15:50 |
| schestowitz | PIA had that done to them | Nov 19 15:50 |
| schestowitz | but they could not comply, had no logs | Nov 19 15:50 |
| DaemonFC[m] | That's going on here is that these people are sending subpoenas out blindly. | Nov 19 15:51 |
| DaemonFC[m] | But PIA has nothing to turn over to the court. | Nov 19 15:51 |
| scientes | yep, always best to avoid liability by just not keeping records | Nov 19 15:51 |
| DaemonFC[m] | You know, they may be unmasked in some other way, I suppose. | Nov 19 15:51 |
| scientes | they can't get information if you don't have it | Nov 19 15:52 |
| DaemonFC[m] | The "free" VPNs are the ones you have to be really afraid of. | Nov 19 15:52 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Including Opera's, which says it logs you in the fine print. | Nov 19 15:52 |
| schestowitz | they are MORE spying | Nov 19 15:52 |
| scientes | this is why "governments" keep asking people to keep records | Nov 19 15:52 |
| schestowitz | they ask you to route traffic to MONETISE | Nov 19 15:52 |
| schestowitz | you pay them = they give service | Nov 19 15:52 |
| scientes | but they don't have any reason at all for keeping those records | Nov 19 15:52 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Right, running a VPN isn't cheap. | Nov 19 15:52 |
| scientes | *for asking others to keep those records | Nov 19 15:52 |
| schestowitz | they pay you or give it freedom = you are their product | Nov 19 15:52 |
| schestowitz | FB tried it | Nov 19 15:53 |
| DaemonFC[m] | There's no way Opera does a free browser with a free VPN. | Nov 19 15:53 |
| schestowitz | and it backfired fact | Nov 19 15:53 |
| schestowitz | *fast | Nov 19 15:53 |
| schestowitz | DaemonFC[m]: opera is malware | Nov 19 15:53 |
| schestowitz | and I've long ridiculed their von | Nov 19 15:53 |
| scientes | and the answer should be, "why don't you keep the records if you want", we will send you all the real-time, and you can spend all that money | Nov 19 15:53 |
| schestowitz | they're a chinese company now | Nov 19 15:53 |
| scientes | and amazingly enough, they actually do that...... | Nov 19 15:53 |
| schestowitz | vpn should be presumed spyware | Nov 19 15:53 |
| DaemonFC[m] | It seems like Netflix may be in trouble anyway, MinceR | Nov 19 15:53 |
| scientes | and spend extreme amounts of money on it | Nov 19 15:53 |
| DaemonFC[m] | They're scuttling all of their best shows because they cost a fortune to write and produce. | Nov 19 15:54 |
| schestowitz | is netflix >actually< profitable? | Nov 19 15:54 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Eventually it'll be crap. | Nov 19 15:54 |
| scientes | there is this great movie, Lives of Others, about East Germany's secret police | Nov 19 15:54 |
| scientes | you really have to transcode everything to DVD format if you want it a format that is resiliant | Nov 19 15:55 |
| scientes | and then its a huge waste of space, as they would fit on CD with a more modern (but also more computationally expensive) codec | Nov 19 15:56 |
| DaemonFC[m] | schestowitz: It might be after they kill off Altered Carbon. Lost in Space, and all the other good stuff that has production costs and fill it with Sharknado movies again. | Nov 19 15:56 |
| scientes | and also optical disks are horribly prone to scratching | Nov 19 15:56 |
| DaemonFC[m] | :) | Nov 19 15:56 |
| MinceR | DaemonFC[m]: too late, the "open web" is dead already | Nov 19 15:58 |
| MinceR | NETFUCKS' death won't bring it back | Nov 19 15:58 |
| scientes | Netflix is a single point of failure | Nov 19 15:58 |
| scientes | while DVD was a massive success | Nov 19 15:58 |
| scientes | even if DivX was a superior codec | Nov 19 15:58 |
| scientes | and since you can't sell anything that isn't BETTER, we are just going to have to live with DVD | Nov 19 16:00 |
| MinceR | (cat) (audio) https://i.imgur.com/PyHygWf.mp4 | Nov 19 16:00 |
| scientes | as the single way of consuming video en mass going into the future (along with actual photographic films) | Nov 19 16:01 |
| DaemonFC[m] | https://www.cnbc.com/2020/11/19/trump-campaign-drops-michigan-election-lawsuit-rudy-giuliani-says.html | Nov 19 16:01 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.cnbc.com | Trump campaign drops Michigan election lawsuit, Rudy Giuliani says | Nov 19 16:01 | |
| DaemonFC[m] | Guiliani's antics in court are not impressing judges. I hear he spent half the day arguing about something he deleted from the complaint in Pennsylvania, and then the judge refused to side with him, stating that he couldn't consider something that was not part of the complaint anymore. | Nov 19 16:02 |
| DaemonFC[m] | And Trump pays this fucking idiot $20,000 a day. | Nov 19 16:02 |
| scientes | Especially as I don't think Blu-ray players can play H264/H265 videos on DVD or CD media in DVD quality (480p). | Nov 19 16:03 |
| scientes | I believe they are strictly "upgrade" technology, except that writable blu-ray disks never really happened in the way that DVD (single-layer only) and CD was a massive success. | Nov 19 16:03 |
| scientes | both original 640mb and 700mb | Nov 19 16:04 |
| schestowitz | MinceR: first time I see such a battle | Nov 19 16:05 |
| DaemonFC[m] | https://www.cnbc.com/2020/11/19/tesla-stock-hits-all-time-intraday-high.html | Nov 19 16:06 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.cnbc.com | Tesla stock hits all-time intraday high | Nov 19 16:06 | |
| DaemonFC[m] | You don't need to lose money to be on the S&P 500, but it sure helps. | Nov 19 16:06 |
| MinceR | :> | Nov 19 16:06 |
| DaemonFC[m] | :) | Nov 19 16:06 |
| CrystalMath | honestly i can't believe michigan voted for democrats | Nov 19 16:09 |
| CrystalMath | after what that governor did | Nov 19 16:10 |
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| CrystalMath | i can't even believe there was one vote | Nov 19 16:10 |
| scientes | we also don't have decent alternative CD format, that also encodes to be more resiliant to scratching | Nov 19 16:10 |
| MinceR | CDs are badly designed | Nov 19 16:11 |
| MinceR | the data storage layer is sensitive to oxygen and it's only protected by a layer of lacquer from one side | Nov 19 16:11 |
| MinceR | they fixed this in DVD | Nov 19 16:12 |
| scientes | how did they fix it in DVD? | Nov 19 16:14 |
| scientes | and if that is a physical problem, they why can't they just manufacture CDs with the same technology? | Nov 19 16:14 |
| scientes | I mean, many old CD players cannot play CD-Rs, but only the real mass-produced CDs. | Nov 19 16:14 |
| scientes | (why is that? I'm curious) | Nov 19 16:15 |
| MinceR | they have another plastic disc in place of the lacquer | Nov 19 16:15 |
| MinceR | in part so that it can be double-sided | Nov 19 16:15 |
| MinceR | it would probably make CDs thicker than allowed by spec | Nov 19 16:15 |
| MinceR | (or the distance of the storage layer from the laser/lenses would be wrong, making it unreadable) | Nov 19 16:16 |
| DaemonFC[m] | In theory, nothing stops you from producing a CD with the hard coating developed for Blu Ray discs. | Nov 19 16:16 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Not sure anyone does. | Nov 19 16:16 |
| scientes | <MinceR> it would probably make CDs thicker than allowed by spec | Nov 19 16:16 |
| scientes | I don't think this would be a practical problem | Nov 19 16:16 |
| MinceR | it would | Nov 19 16:17 |
| scientes | except maybe in those ones without trays | Nov 19 16:17 |
| MinceR | it would break slot-in readers/players, for example | Nov 19 16:17 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Many CDs violate redbook and play in most stuff anyway. | Nov 19 16:17 |
| scientes | hahaha, we had the same thought | Nov 19 16:17 |
| MinceR | it would probably also break CD changers | Nov 19 16:17 |
| MinceR | also, it would make CDs a bit more expensive | Nov 19 16:17 |
| scientes | yeah, I could never afford that "first world problem" stuff | Nov 19 16:17 |
| MinceR | and human industry will break everything to save a fraction of a cent | Nov 19 16:18 |
| scientes | MinceR, dude, many countries have CD-R taxes | Nov 19 16:18 |
| MinceR | yeah, it goes to the MAFIAA | Nov 19 16:18 |
| DaemonFC[m] | All the more reason to get large capacity flash drives and store the files as WavPack Extra High x6. | Nov 19 16:18 |
| MinceR | here they put a tax on flash drives too | Nov 19 16:19 |
| scientes | <MinceR> and human industry will break everything to save a fraction of a cent | Nov 19 16:19 |
| DaemonFC[m] | On 1 TB? You could store well over 1,500 CDs in lossless that way. | Nov 19 16:19 |
| tr_guest|53802 | We need a Steve Ballmer type to lead the free software movement. Benjamin Mako Hill worked for Ubuntu and created codes of conduct and is receiving awards. So count that snowflake out! Alexandre Oliva works for IBM. Richard Stallman wants us to vote for Joe Biden and thinks that President Trump is committing election fraud. So let's assume he just | Nov 19 16:19 |
| tr_guest|53802 | turned senile. I want to still admire the young master hacker rms. | Nov 19 16:19 |
| scientes | a penny saved is a corner placed in the responsibility of someone else | Nov 19 16:19 |
| CrystalMath | tr_guest|53802: i said that a few days ago | Nov 19 16:20 |
| CrystalMath | why don't we have our own Steve Ballmer | Nov 19 16:20 |
| CrystalMath | someone so excited and ethusiastic about software freedom | Nov 19 16:21 |
| CrystalMath | indeed Benjamin Mako Hill is an SJW | Nov 19 16:21 |
| CrystalMath | but the rest of the FSF board + Richard Stallman are not | Nov 19 16:21 |
| MinceR | tr_guest|53802: what for? the free software movement is dying anyway | Nov 19 16:21 |
| CrystalMath | i would not cut off Stallman because of his political opinion, he was always a hippie | Nov 19 16:21 |
| CrystalMath | that's his thing | Nov 19 16:21 |
| scientes | DEVELOPERS DEVELOPERS DEVELOPERS DEVELOPERS DEVELOPERS DEVELOPERS DEVELOPERS DEVELOPERS DEVELOPERS DEVELOPERS DEVELOPERS DEVELOPERS DEVELOPERS DEVELOPERS DEVELOPERS DEVELOPERS DEVELOPERS DEVELOPERS DEVELOPERS DEVELOPERS DEVELOPERS DEVELOPERS DEVELOPERS DEVELOPERS DEVELOPERS DEVELOPERS DEVELOPERS DEVELOPERS | Nov 19 16:22 |
| MinceR | the only thing steve ballmer was enthusiastic about was crime | Nov 19 16:22 |
| CrystalMath | MinceR: the free software movement isn't dying | Nov 19 16:22 |
| scientes | Yes, RMS is not a SJW | Nov 19 16:22 |
| MinceR | yes it is | Nov 19 16:22 |
| CrystalMath | what evidence do you have of this? | Nov 19 16:22 |
| MinceR | Linux was taken over by microshit | Nov 19 16:22 |
| MinceR | FSF was taken over by SJWs who cancelled RMS | Nov 19 16:22 |
| scientes | MinceR, and systemd, aparently | Nov 19 16:23 |
| CrystalMath | MinceR: both false | Nov 19 16:23 |
| MinceR | most distros were taken over by IBM/RH | Nov 19 16:23 |
| CrystalMath | okay, that one is true :P | Nov 19 16:23 |
| MinceR | the OSI was also subverted | Nov 19 16:23 |
| scientes | MinceR, and systemd, aparantly | Nov 19 16:23 |
| CrystalMath | corporate linux is now a reality | Nov 19 16:23 |
| CrystalMath | but that doesn't mean you have to use it! | Nov 19 16:23 |
| CrystalMath | we're in a better position now than we were in 1987 | Nov 19 16:23 |
| MinceR | the GPL is all but defeated via the IPC hole and via the LF method | Nov 19 16:23 |
| MinceR | SJWs have infested many formerly free projects | Nov 19 16:23 |
| CrystalMath | the IPC hole... actually no | Nov 19 16:24 |
| MinceR | we didn't know in 1987 that we didn't have a future | Nov 19 16:24 |
| MinceR | patents are only ever enforced against us | Nov 19 16:24 |
| CrystalMath | the Oracle v. Google ruling actually showed that the GPL has the power to even extend to an API | Nov 19 16:24 |
| MinceR | even if the claim is indefensible | Nov 19 16:24 |
| schestowitz | MinceR: what? you don't have patents/ ;-) | Nov 19 16:24 |
| CrystalMath | the GPL apparently has magical powers | Nov 19 16:25 |
| MinceR | our hardware is ever more locked down, and free software locked out of it | Nov 19 16:25 |
| CrystalMath | that is of course a problem | Nov 19 16:25 |
| CrystalMath | but since it started in the 90s | Nov 19 16:25 |
| CrystalMath | it's not new | Nov 19 16:25 |
| schestowitz | [16:22] <MinceR> FSF was taken over by SJWs who cancelled RMS | Nov 19 16:26 |
| schestowitz | RMS opposes CoC | Nov 19 16:26 |
| schestowitz | and last month he told me that | Nov 19 16:26 |
| schestowitz | he took pride in rejecting this nonsense | Nov 19 16:26 |
| CrystalMath | actually, i think that you don't fully understand the FSF situation | Nov 19 16:26 |
| schestowitz | as it's an assault on free speech | Nov 19 16:26 |
| schestowitz | which is basically what they 'got' him for, eventually... | Nov 19 16:26 |
| CrystalMath | RMS still has incredible influence on it | Nov 19 16:26 |
| MinceR | RMS supports cancerd | Nov 19 16:26 |
| MinceR | and cancerd is killing GNU | Nov 19 16:26 |
| CrystalMath | i can actually explain it, but i think the idea is for the SJWs to not know about this trick | Nov 19 16:26 |
| CrystalMath | so i won't write it out here | Nov 19 16:27 |
| schestowitz | he doesn't support it | Nov 19 16:27 |
| schestowitz | he's afraid that condemning it would cause a storm | Nov 19 16:27 |
| schestowitz | he's afraid of many things | Nov 19 16:27 |
| MinceR | he has never spoken out against it, only in favor of it | Nov 19 16:27 |
| MinceR | that is support | Nov 19 16:27 |
| schestowitz | for the consequences of them | Nov 19 16:27 |
| MinceR | and the storm would be preferable to just throwing away our OS and our freedom | Nov 19 16:27 |
| schestowitz | in 2012 or thereabouts I convinced him to write against Ubuntu | Nov 19 16:27 |
| schestowitz | so he did | Nov 19 16:27 |
| schestowitz | after micah lee had done that in EFF | Nov 19 16:27 |
| schestowitz | and that cost him | Nov 19 16:27 |
| schestowitz | ubuntu 'fans' were not happy | Nov 19 16:28 |
| schestowitz | because rms... 'radical' | Nov 19 16:28 |
| schestowitz | amazon spying... apps... cool.! | Nov 19 16:28 |
| schestowitz | totally not radical | Nov 19 16:28 |
| vZS1 | There are plenty of Linux distributions that don't run systemd as the default init system | Nov 19 16:28 |
| schestowitz | "scope" is not radical | Nov 19 16:28 |
| schestowitz | "just bizniz" | Nov 19 16:28 |
| schestowitz | vZS1: but how long for? | Nov 19 16:28 |
| schestowitz | many things stop supporting those | Nov 19 16:28 |
| schestowitz | firefox already rejects alsa | Nov 19 16:29 |
| schestowitz | so you need to use lennartPulseAudio | Nov 19 16:29 |
| schestowitz | or else | Nov 19 16:29 |
| schestowitz | it was similar with Flash | Nov 19 16:29 |
| vZS1 | It depends on what kind of user you are. Gentoo and Void both do a lot without systemd | Nov 19 16:29 |
| schestowitz | Adobe Trash | Nov 19 16:29 |
| schestowitz | the monoculture metastasise | Nov 19 16:29 |
| MinceR | vZS1: far more that do | Nov 19 16:30 |
| schestowitz | and they don't bother with modularity that facilitates alternatives | Nov 19 16:30 |
| vZS1 | We can't stop people from using systemd | Nov 19 16:30 |
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| schestowitz | vZS1: they ended up having to make eudev | Nov 19 16:30 |
| MinceR | but can we stop people from forcing cancerd on other people? | Nov 19 16:30 |
| schestowitz | more developer time/effort | Nov 19 16:30 |
| MinceR | hedrat doesn't let you choose | Nov 19 16:30 |
| psydroid | we can stop people from wanting to be used by systemd | Nov 19 16:30 |
| MinceR | they took over deadian and removed the option | Nov 19 16:30 |
| MinceR | they killed debian so they could force cancerd on users | Nov 19 16:31 |
| vZS1 | Then use something that isn't Debian | Nov 19 16:31 |
| schestowitz | while it lasts | Nov 19 16:31 |
| schestowitz | gentoo is already weak | Nov 19 16:31 |
| schestowitz | void... have not heard of it in months | Nov 19 16:31 |
| schestowitz | and I read news all day long | Nov 19 16:31 |
| MinceR | void is working surprisingly well | Nov 19 16:32 |
| vZS1 | Void is active. They just don't post much | Nov 19 16:32 |
| vZS1 | It's basically BSD strapped onto Linux. | Nov 19 16:33 |
| vZS1 | They have their own init system and package management tools. | Nov 19 16:34 |
| vZS1 | It's a good alternative | Nov 19 16:34 |
| -viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: Today in #Techrights • ⒯⒰⒳ ⒨⒜⒞⒣⒤⒩⒠⒮ ☞ http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/144552 [https://pleroma.site/objects/47782529-936d-4722-b408-ae5fa67b911f] | Nov 19 16:35 | |
| vZS1 | To the Debian hegemony | Nov 19 16:35 |
| DaemonFC[m] | No KDE option in Void, it appears. | Nov 19 16:36 |
| MinceR | well, runit isn't really their own, afaict :> | Nov 19 16:36 |
| DaemonFC[m] | I'm probably not going to ever look at GNOME again unless I see something that tells me they have their shit together enough to notice breaking things that take away half the performance of their compositing manager and leak gigabytes of RAM. | Nov 19 16:37 |
| DaemonFC[m] | So, never, probably. | Nov 19 16:37 |
| MinceR | look at xfce, lxqt and fvwm instead :> | Nov 19 16:37 |
| DaemonFC[m] | KDE is working well. | Nov 19 16:37 |
| vZS1 | I don't use DEs so I wouldn't know | Nov 19 16:37 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Or maybe I just got so used to GNOME running like warmed over shit that it's just relatively better. | Nov 19 16:37 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Either way.... | Nov 19 16:37 |
| schestowitz | yes, KDE is quite solid | Nov 19 16:38 |
| DaemonFC[m] | It's really disgusting that GNOME has turned into the bastard offspring of Windows 10 and the Mac. | Nov 19 16:38 |
| MinceR | KDE went to hell with 4.0 | Nov 19 16:38 |
| schestowitz | I rarely encounter bugs in it anymore | Nov 19 16:38 |
| MinceR | and stayed there | Nov 19 16:38 |
| schestowitz | those that exist are cosmetic, not severe | Nov 19 16:38 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Windows 10 bloat and unreliability and telemetry fused to the Mac's unusable interface = GNOME | Nov 19 16:38 |
| schestowitz | vZS1: you don't use a DE? | Nov 19 16:39 |
| schestowitz | what WM do you use? | Nov 19 16:39 |
| schestowitz | openbox? | Nov 19 16:39 |
| schestowitz | fluxbox? | Nov 19 16:39 |
| vZS1 | https://alpha.us.repo.voidlinux.org/docs/config/graphical-session/kde.html | Nov 19 16:39 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-alpha.us.repo.voidlinux.org | KDE - Void Linux Handbook | Nov 19 16:39 | |
| schestowitz | MinceR: the latest KDE is not bad | Nov 19 16:39 |
| MinceR | i doubt that | Nov 19 16:39 |
| schestowitz | if you have the hardware specs | Nov 19 16:39 |
| vZS1 | schestowitz: Awesome wm | Nov 19 16:39 |
| schestowitz | ah,right | Nov 19 16:39 |
| MinceR | but anyway, putting KDE on top of void should be easy with bedrock :> | Nov 19 16:39 |
| superkuh | gnome24life | Nov 19 16:40 |
| schestowitz | even first gnome was better | Nov 19 16:40 |
| schestowitz | i used gnome when it was very new | Nov 19 16:40 |
| schestowitz | the logo was ugly | Nov 19 16:40 |
| MinceR | well, GNOME went to hell sometime around 2.0 | Nov 19 16:40 |
| schestowitz | but it generally did all the basics | Nov 19 16:40 |
| superkuh | Nah, it was fine till 3. | Nov 19 16:40 |
| MinceR | 0.x/1.x was pretty good, iirc | Nov 19 16:40 |
| schestowitz | without trying to be "like mac" | Nov 19 16:40 |
| schestowitz | and the ux cargo cult | Nov 19 16:40 |
| vZS1 | You can still use KDE software with a window manager | Nov 19 16:41 |
| MinceR | 2.x was already "let's remove functionality so we don't confuse users" | Nov 19 16:41 |
| schestowitz | btw, in Daily Links you still see the old GNOME fish icon | Nov 19 16:41 |
| schestowitz | and in IRC logs it's the GNOME icons also | Nov 19 16:41 |
| schestowitz | those were still current when we started those sections in 2008 | Nov 19 16:41 |
| vZS1 | I like awesome wm because it does floating and tiling. | Nov 19 16:42 |
| schestowitz | kde plasma works also with openbox | Nov 19 16:42 |
| schestowitz | instead of kwin, iirc | Nov 19 16:42 |
| -viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: Flatpak 1.10 Enters Development, Promises Major New Features and Improvements • ⒯⒰⒳ ⒨⒜⒞⒣⒤⒩⒠⒮ ☞ http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/144545 [https://pleroma.site/objects/603f344f-784b-487c-9fe8-69b3582f3ea3] | Nov 19 16:46 | |
| -viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: Best Linux Emulators for Windows • ⒯⒰⒳ ⒨⒜⒞⒣⒤⒩⒠⒮ ☞ http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/144546 [https://pleroma.site/objects/e6b1c29a-0393-430d-9470-921f2e2b056d] | Nov 19 16:48 | |
| vZS1 | Also, the awesome wm config file is in Lua which is nice. I'd rather use a real programming language for config instead of a half-baked DSL. | Nov 19 16:48 |
| vZS1 | Works across BSD and Linux | Nov 19 16:49 |
| MinceR | lisp? | Nov 19 16:49 |
| -viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: Announcing Rust 1.48.0 • ⒯⒰⒳ ⒨⒜⒞⒣⒤⒩⒠⒮ ☞ http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/144547 [https://pleroma.site/objects/9931411b-eb78-4166-a756-f485cd3062e9] | Nov 19 16:49 | |
| vZS1 | Lisp is still better than something like YAML | Nov 19 16:50 |
| MinceR | also better than lua | Nov 19 16:50 |
| vZS1 | I don't mind Lua | Nov 19 16:50 |
| vZS1 | It's a simple language | Nov 19 16:50 |
| vZS1 | Does the job | Nov 19 16:51 |
| vZS1 | Good documentation. Easy to look up syntax and libraries. | Nov 19 16:52 |
| -viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: Best Arch-based Linux distros of 2020 • ⒯⒰⒳ ⒨⒜⒞⒣⒤⒩⒠⒮ ☞ http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/144548 [https://pleroma.site/objects/79cd5570-a9d2-4d94-a452-3163df0f4363] | Nov 19 16:52 | |
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| MinceR | (audio:important) https://vid.pr0gramm.com/2020/09/18/7ea2b07a1ecb3a79.mp4 | Nov 19 16:53 |
| -viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: Stable Kernels: 5.9.9, 5.4.78, 4.19.158, 4.14.207, 4.9.244 and 4.4.244 • ⒯⒰⒳ ⒨⒜⒞⒣⒤⒩⒠⒮ ☞ http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/144549 [https://pleroma.site/objects/9782c715-e37d-4087-85f5-8e393fa95b5d] | Nov 19 16:56 | |
| -viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: #Android Leftovers • ⒯⒰⒳ ⒨⒜⒞⒣⒤⒩⒠⒮ ☞ http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/144550 [https://pleroma.site/objects/a7b13463-16a5-4b5b-a630-e32115ad2ffa] | Nov 19 16:57 | |
| DaemonFC[m] | Guiliani's legal argument appears to be they made us stand 6 feet away while they counted the votes in Philadelphia, so you should throw the entire election out and order them to appoint Trump electors. | Nov 19 17:00 |
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| CrystalMath | what? | Nov 19 17:01 |
| CrystalMath | i heard that they didn't let republicans look at all | Nov 19 17:02 |
| CrystalMath | and even boarded up windows | Nov 19 17:02 |
| MinceR | you heard it and believed it | Nov 19 17:03 |
| CrystalMath | there was a video too | Nov 19 17:03 |
| -viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: CentOS Linux 7 Receives Patches for Latest Intel CPU Vulnerabilities, Update Now • ⒯⒰⒳ ⒨⒜⒞⒣⒤⒩⒠⒮ ☞ http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/144551 [https://pleroma.site/objects/f495dc3e-c572-4027-81d3-99ee0d1567c2] | Nov 19 17:07 | |
| MinceR | wow, i didn't know that half of the establishment of one of the most powerful states on earth had access to the technology to make videos | Nov 19 17:09 |
| MinceR | it boggles the mind. | Nov 19 17:09 |
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| -viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: Ubuntu Touch Installer Makes It Easier to Turn Your OnePlus 2 into a Linux Phone • ⒯⒰⒳ ⒨⒜⒞⒣⒤⒩⒠⒮ ☞ http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/144553 [https://pleroma.site/objects/4a54b944-d43b-4771-8e6c-3b954b251dbb] | Nov 19 17:12 | |
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| MinceR | https://img.pr0gramm.com/2020/09/18/1fa88609d96501f5.jpg | Nov 19 17:28 |
| XRevan86 | MinceR: Was it trying to look like a vertical "vacuum" cleaner or like a fan? | Nov 19 17:30 |
| MinceR | the latter | Nov 19 17:30 |
| XRevan86 | Hm, then the leg is kind of weird. | Nov 19 17:30 |
| XRevan86 | Not a stable platform. | Nov 19 17:31 |
| scientes | reminds me of the vacuum cleaner is space balls | Nov 19 17:31 |
| scientes | but geeze, who tries to make fake fans? | Nov 19 17:31 |
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| scientes | just get one of those box fans | Nov 19 17:31 |
| scientes | whenever the temperature goes above a certain level home depot would sell those things like pancakes | Nov 19 17:32 |
| scientes | stick them at the front of the store and they just disappear | Nov 19 17:33 |
| scientes | https://www.homedepot.com/b/Heating-Venting-Cooling-Fans-Box-Fans/N-5yc1vZc4ln | Nov 19 17:33 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.homedepot.com | Box Fans - Fans - The Home Depot | Nov 19 17:33 | |
| scientes | giant boxes of box fans | Nov 19 17:33 |
| scientes | a bit noisy, but they certainly work | Nov 19 17:34 |
| scientes | not really the quality of computer fans though | Nov 19 17:34 |
| schestowitz | [17:31] <scientes> but geeze, who tries to make fake fans? | Nov 19 17:34 |
| schestowitz | fan fans | Nov 19 17:34 |
| scientes | schestowitz, spot fanning the fans | Nov 19 17:35 |
| schestowitz | I was gonna say that next | Nov 19 17:35 |
| schestowitz | something about fanning the flames if humour | Nov 19 17:36 |
| schestowitz | *of | Nov 19 17:36 |
| scientes | and why are we talking about fans when its so damn cold and rainy outside | Nov 19 17:36 |
| scientes | I want a raincheck on this conversation until spring | Nov 19 17:36 |
| MinceR | there are heating fans :> | Nov 19 17:36 |
| scientes | MinceR, you are in the southern hemisphere | Nov 19 17:37 |
| MinceR | no | Nov 19 17:37 |
| scientes | oh Hungary | Nov 19 17:38 |
| scientes | sorry, confused with oiaohm | Nov 19 17:38 |
| -viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: Games: Realpolitiks, Godot Engine and More • ⒯⒰⒳ ⒨⒜⒞⒣⒤⒩⒠⒮ ☞ http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/144554 [https://pleroma.site/objects/93deede0-814e-4fb5-9bcb-fd95c05c2544] | Nov 19 17:38 | |
| scientes | I think I lost the color coding of nicks | Nov 19 17:39 |
| scientes | so everyone is blue now | Nov 19 17:39 |
| scientes | I liked how it would hash the nicks and then do colors | Nov 19 17:39 |
| scientes | helped distinguish people | Nov 19 17:39 |
| DaemonFC[m] | schestowitz: I disagree about the mass deaths not affecting corporate profits as much as the shutdowns. | Nov 19 17:40 |
| MinceR | "Did I ever tell you my favorite color was blue?" | Nov 19 17:41 |
| scientes | ok I have colors on in the users box | Nov 19 17:41 |
| scientes | but not the channel box | Nov 19 17:41 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Directly? They will hurt, but indirectly, the fertility rate in the US has crashed. | Nov 19 17:41 |
| scientes | hmm, still no colors | Nov 19 17:43 |
| DaemonFC[m] | https://www.christianpost.com/news/declining-birth-rates-linked-to-secularization-diminished-faith.html | Nov 19 17:43 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.christianpost.com | Declining birth rates linked to secularization, diminished faith - The Christian Post | Nov 19 17:43 | |
| DaemonFC[m] | Yeah....sure....okay. | Nov 19 17:43 |
| scientes | DaemonFC[m], nice | Nov 19 17:43 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Couldn't be because everyone is fucking broke and the church always wants your money and never offers to help. | Nov 19 17:43 |
| scientes | they should change their name to the Pope John Paul II Post | Nov 19 17:44 |
| scientes | *Paul VI | Nov 19 17:44 |
| scientes | god damn, they all have the same names | Nov 19 17:44 |
| MinceR | what a tragedy, their projects of "Let's Outbreed All The Other Insane Cults" and "Cover Earth In Several Layers Of Human Bodies" will take a bit longer than expected | Nov 19 17:45 |
| DaemonFC[m] | https://www.cnbc.com/2020/11/16/consumer-companies-bracing-for-a-covid-baby-bust.html | Nov 19 17:46 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.cnbc.com | Consumer companies bracing for a Covid baby bust | Nov 19 17:46 | |
| MinceR | who cares about quality of life, when you can force more quantity? | Nov 19 17:46 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Remember when they said the stay at home would be a baby boom 9 months later? | Nov 19 17:46 |
| scientes | https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8xjm0f_l4bk | Nov 19 17:46 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-South Park- Gay Pile - YouTube | Nov 19 17:46 | |
| DaemonFC[m] | I told my mom, "Well, the sales of condoms skyrocketing would imply otherwise, but okay. We'll see.". | Nov 19 17:46 |
| schestowitz | [17:40] <DaemonFC[m]> schestowitz: I disagree about the mass deaths not affecting corporate profits as much as the shutdowns. | Nov 19 17:46 |
| schestowitz | many of the dead are pensioners | Nov 19 17:47 |
| schestowitz | they might even get rid of post-career liabilities | Nov 19 17:47 |
| schestowitz | if all those "old people" just die in droves | Nov 19 17:47 |
| DaemonFC[m] | "In recent years, as the birth rate has lagged, consumer giants have turned to making premium products to appeal to wealthier parents." | Nov 19 17:47 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Slap a different label on it. Charge more! | Nov 19 17:47 |
| schestowitz | [17:43] [Notice] -TechrightsBot-tr to #techrights- www.christianpost.com | Declining birth rates linked to secularization, diminished faith - The Christian Post | Nov 19 17:47 |
| schestowitz | They say it like it's a bad thing | Nov 19 17:47 |
| schestowitz | also, the first time I read that as sterilisation | Nov 19 17:48 |
| schestowitz | rather than secularization | Nov 19 17:48 |
| scientes | is that a christian the onion site? | Nov 19 17:48 |
| schestowitz | they denounced Trump | Nov 19 17:48 |
| schestowitz | its editor did | Nov 19 17:48 |
| DaemonFC[m] | "And the births may not just be delayed. The Brookings report forecast that the permanent loss of income stemming from the pandemic will keep some people from having any children even after the crisis subsides." | Nov 19 17:48 |
| DaemonFC[m] | duh doy | Nov 19 17:48 |
| schestowitz | they got flak and praise for doing so | Nov 19 17:48 |
| scientes | nah, not a parody site | Nov 19 17:49 |
| DaemonFC[m] | "In recent years, as births in the U.S. and China have slowed, consumer giants have turned their attention to selling premium baby items. Procter & Gamble, for example, is making diapers that don’t use tape or that mimic the fit of pants. Last year, Huggies introduced Special Delivery, a premium diaper that is made from plant-based materials and is free of parabens, fragrance and elemental chlorine." | Nov 19 17:49 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Even though there was never any evidence that those substances caused any harm, and by not using them they save money and increase prices. | Nov 19 17:49 |
| scientes | Oh man, that is the best South Park episode ever | Nov 19 17:49 |
| DaemonFC[m] | https://www.cnbc.com/2020/11/19/coronavirus-dr-fauci-says-vaccinating-people-who-disregard-covid-as-fake-news-could-be-a-real-problem-.html | Nov 19 17:51 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.cnbc.com | Coronavirus: Dr. Fauci says vaccinating people who disregard Covid as 'fake news' could be 'a real problem' | Nov 19 17:51 | |
| DaemonFC[m] | Why? They spread it back and forth to each other at that point. | Nov 19 17:51 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Then round about all the deaths are idiots. | Nov 19 17:51 |
| schestowitz | cbnc | Nov 19 17:51 |
| schestowitz | that puts gates as flag bearer | Nov 19 17:51 |
| schestowitz | no wonder people don't want the vaccines | Nov 19 17:51 |
| MinceR | https://img.pr0gramm.com/2020/09/18/aaadece7d5167287.jpg | Nov 19 17:51 |
| schestowitz | he's doing more harm than good | Nov 19 17:51 |
| schestowitz | for personal gain | Nov 19 17:51 |
| scientes | schestowitz, he is doing good? | Nov 19 17:52 |
| scientes | that is news | Nov 19 17:52 |
| MinceR | indeed | Nov 19 17:52 |
| DaemonFC[m] | You can tell the second season of Lost in Space had a budget cut. | Nov 19 17:52 |
| DaemonFC[m] | It's a whole season of bottle episodes kind of. | Nov 19 17:52 |
| schestowitz | all the productions have cuts | Nov 19 17:54 |
| schestowitz | music also | Nov 19 17:54 |
| schestowitz | concerts brought much income | Nov 19 17:54 |
| schestowitz | even physical sales | Nov 19 17:54 |
| schestowitz | now.. no concerts, no studio meetings.. and people have less money to spend | Nov 19 17:54 |
| schestowitz | on the Internet they can get that same stuff for free | Nov 19 17:55 |
| DaemonFC[m] | schestowitz: And the money they have to spend is pretty much all directed at Walmart and Amazon. | Nov 19 17:55 |
| DaemonFC[m] | So they're fine. | Nov 19 17:55 |
| schestowitz | movies and audio... movie theatres and concerns | Nov 19 17:55 |
| schestowitz | concerts are BIG money | Nov 19 17:55 |
| DaemonFC[m] | They took a much bigger share of a smaller pie, so the disaster was great business. | Nov 19 17:55 |
| schestowitz | *concerns -> concerts | Nov 19 17:55 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Walmart shares up over 33% since March. | Nov 19 17:55 |
| DaemonFC[m] | I'd say it's a solid investment. They always do better in bad economies. | Nov 19 17:56 |
| schestowitz | when your rivals are shut down | Nov 19 17:56 |
| schestowitz | they keep open | Nov 19 17:56 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Yeah, exactly. | Nov 19 17:56 |
| schestowitz | Gates invests in Walmart also | Nov 19 17:56 |
| schestowitz | no wonder he got so much richer so fast | Nov 19 17:56 |
| schestowitz | but... he says he's giving it all away | Nov 19 17:56 |
| schestowitz | tripled his wealth since then | Nov 19 17:56 |
| schestowitz | the media doesn't put it like that | Nov 19 17:56 |
| DaemonFC[m] | I think with meat being the most expensive part of the grocery budget, the fact that they have so much of it lately, on the shelves, getting ready to go bad, sold to me for 30-40% off because it's on the last day. | Nov 19 17:56 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Really tells you where we are. People are shifting spending away from going heavy on the meat. | Nov 19 17:57 |
| schestowitz | not for health reasons | Nov 19 17:57 |
| schestowitz | budget | Nov 19 17:57 |
| schestowitz | and all those premium items like "prepared" meals | Nov 19 17:57 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Yesterday they had marked down organic free range chicken to $3.44 a pound down from like $7, and then I had two rebates, so I used them, and got it to like $3 or something per pound. | Nov 19 17:58 |
| schestowitz | maybe people might also learn - gasp - how to cook | Nov 19 17:58 |
| schestowitz | "free range" but dead | Nov 19 17:58 |
| DaemonFC[m] | schestowitz: Yes, I freeze it all and then I grab some veggies and canned goods and spices and use the slow cooker. | Nov 19 17:58 |
| schestowitz | with eggs they at least keep the chicken alive for longer | Nov 19 17:58 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Those slow cookers are very energy efficient. | Nov 19 17:59 |
| schestowitz | ok, bbl | Nov 19 17:59 |
| DaemonFC[m] | It costs about three times as much to bake something in the oven for an hour as it does to run the slow cooker on low for 8 hours. | Nov 19 17:59 |
| oiaohm | DaemonFC[m]: depends on oven. https://www.smh.com.au/money/saving/is-a-slow-cooker-a-money-saver-20140225-33ewl.html Its somewhere between a half to 1/3 using a slower cooker. | Nov 19 18:02 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.smh.com.au | Is a slow cooker a money saver? | Nov 19 18:02 | |
| oiaohm | So its not always 3 times as much. Some ovens have pure horrible efficiency | Nov 19 18:03 |
| oiaohm | Mind you some of your pressure cookers that you can so call used like a slow cooker have worst power efficiency than using a oven. | Nov 19 18:04 |
| DaemonFC[m] | "Electricity costs around 15p (28¢) per kWh" | Nov 19 18:04 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Not quite so much in Illinois. | Nov 19 18:04 |
| oiaohm | That was good oven vs good slow cooker and its still a 50% saving going the slow cooker. | Nov 19 18:05 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Between supply and delivery, taxes, and fees, it works out to about 12-14 cents per, depending on how much you use. | Nov 19 18:05 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Now, that can vary greatly depending on which areas of the country you're in. | Nov 19 18:05 |
| DaemonFC[m] | I think Massachusetts was like 36 cents per, last I looked. | Nov 19 18:06 |
| DaemonFC[m] | So you'd be opening an electric bill almost three times bigger if you moved there, but your taxes are higher and rents are outrageous. | Nov 19 18:06 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Illinois is a mess, but the thing about messes is you can always make a bigger one. | Nov 19 18:06 |
| DaemonFC[m] | MinceRknows. | Nov 19 18:07 |
| oiaohm | Australia general home rate is about 33c AUD. | Nov 19 18:07 |
| DaemonFC[m] | The electric company here has fixed and variable rates. | Nov 19 18:07 |
| oiaohm | That is roughly 24C at the moment. | Nov 19 18:07 |
| oiaohm | as in USA | Nov 19 18:07 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Generally, if your electric use is relatively low and/or you can't shift usage, stay on the fixed rate. | Nov 19 18:07 |
| oiaohm | 36cents USA price is a hell of a lot. | Nov 19 18:08 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Now if you start throwing things like charging an electric car and running all sorts of energy hog appliances, and can do that at night..... | Nov 19 18:08 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Might be worth it to do real time or time of day pricing. | Nov 19 18:08 |
| oiaohm | Do note that general 33c AUD is the adverage. | Nov 19 18:11 |
| oiaohm | Lot of ways here in Australia if you are charging cars you can be better using what is called Secondary tariffs. They are the ones where you 18 hours of power per day. Yes relay causing the circit to be without power for 6 hours a day. | Nov 19 18:17 |
| oiaohm | That 18c AUD per kWh | Nov 19 18:18 |
| DaemonFC[m] | The state's bizarre and random COVID-19 actions concern me much more than the virus. | Nov 19 18:27 |
| MinceR | (cat) https://ircz.de/p/2008120 | Nov 19 18:27 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-ircz.de | IRCZ makes your life worth living Post object (4819337) | Nov 19 18:27 | |
| DaemonFC[m] | The governor can go fuck himself, honestly. | Nov 19 18:30 |
| DaemonFC[m] | I'm going to do whatever it is I damned well please. | Nov 19 18:30 |
| DaemonFC[m] | I'm not even sure I can bring myself to vote for him again. | Nov 19 18:30 |
| DaemonFC[m] | I might vote for the Libertarian candidate, honestly. | Nov 19 18:31 |
| DaemonFC[m] | I have voted for minor parties before, but normally when it's nothing important or when there's no Republican on the ballot to challenge the Democrat. | Nov 19 18:32 |
| DaemonFC[m] | I expect Pritzker to win another term, maybe, but maybe not. | Nov 19 18:32 |
| DaemonFC[m] | It seems like support for the Democratic Party in Illinois is realigning itself to Chicago and its suburbs exclusively, and receding a little bit. | Nov 19 18:33 |
| DaemonFC[m] | But they should have no trouble holding majorities. | Nov 19 18:33 |
| DaemonFC[m] | That's really bad news for downstate when you think about it | Nov 19 18:34 |
| DaemonFC[m] | They won't be in any position to make demands on the state government. | Nov 19 18:35 |
| DaemonFC[m] | I think Pritzker knows that, and that's why he's focused his more unpopular COVID orders on them even when there's a much worse problem up here. | Nov 19 18:35 |
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| DaemonFC[m] | MinceR: Speaking of Nazi Chucklefucks, that's one reason why I renewed Mandy's work permit as early as I did. | Nov 19 18:59 |
| DaemonFC[m] | I anticipated Trump not taking the loss very well and trying to gum things up really bad on the way out. | Nov 19 19:00 |
| DaemonFC[m] | https://chicago.suntimes.com/elections/2020/11/3/21530985/election-results-illinois-6th-congressional-district-jeanne-ives-sean-casten | Nov 19 19:01 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-chicago.suntimes.com | Democratic incumbent Sean Casten declares victory over Jeanne Ives - Chicago Sun-Times | Nov 19 19:01 | |
| MinceR | (audio:important) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_BqCU7YfTeE https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jGThY173H-8 | Nov 19 19:03 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Police Car Challenge (Part 1) | Top Gear - YouTube | Nov 19 19:03 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Police Car Challenge (Part 2) | Top Gear - YouTube | Nov 19 19:03 | |
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| DaemonFC[m] | "Do I know any good lawyers? No. But I do know Rudy Giuliani." | Nov 19 19:09 |
| DaemonFC[m] | That South Park joke just keeps getting better. | Nov 19 19:10 |
| scientes | XRevan86, English also has inflection with 1, 2, 3, vs 1st, 2nd, 3rd | Nov 19 19:11 |
| scientes | and English speakers get that right | Nov 19 19:11 |
| XRevan86 | scientes: Not sure if I'd consider that an inflection. | Nov 19 19:12 |
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| scientes | but it is | Nov 19 19:12 |
| DaemonFC[m] | The English speaking world has a lot of infections too. :) | Nov 19 19:12 |
| scientes | the number is modify a noun in the second, while it is the noun in the first | Nov 19 19:12 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Not surprising. The more native English speakers, the more climate deniers there are in a country. | Nov 19 19:13 |
| scientes | *modifying | Nov 19 19:13 |
| XRevan86 | scientes: Well, yea, like -ing, -s, -ed, etc. | Nov 19 19:13 |
| scientes | damn, all this spanish is making me losing my -ing tense | Nov 19 19:13 |
| XRevan86 | scientes: "third", "fourth" are adjectives first. | Nov 19 19:13 |
| scientes | except a number is on a number line | Nov 19 19:14 |
| scientes | for some reason I see it as related to inflection | Nov 19 19:14 |
| scientes | like Charles V | Nov 19 19:15 |
| XRevan86 | Well, it is. | Nov 19 19:15 |
| scientes | *his* fifth reign | Nov 19 19:15 |
| XRevan86 | English has some basic inflections. Like "going" is inflective and "will go" is not. | Nov 19 19:16 |
| XRevan86 | It's not like English doesn't have inflections, it's poor on inflections. | Nov 19 19:17 |
| XRevan86 | What English does lack is declensions, except for pronouns. | Nov 19 19:17 |
| scientes | My thoughts here are basically because of my Russian lessons are forcing me to think about these things | Nov 19 19:17 |
| scientes | and also I only know up to 3rd in Spanish because they are never phonetically written in anything I come accross | Nov 19 19:19 |
| scientes | 1ro 2do 3ro ? | Nov 19 19:19 |
| scientes | anyways.... | Nov 19 19:19 |
| scientes | not important | Nov 19 19:19 |
| scientes | always stick to the phonetics and you are best off | Nov 19 19:20 |
| XRevan86 | Which has an interesting consequence, as one can say "him killed she" and one could piece together who killed whom, but with "Oleg killed Martha" it's completely on the word order. | Nov 19 19:20 |
| scientes | XRevan86, good point | Nov 19 19:20 |
| scientes | so in Russian you can use either other in both cases | Nov 19 19:20 |
| scientes | *order | Nov 19 19:20 |
| XRevan86 | Yes, because the words are *inflected* to reflect their function in a sentence. | Nov 19 19:21 |
| scientes | or rather their significance in a sentence | Nov 19 19:22 |
| scientes | the sentence is the thought, not the word | Nov 19 19:22 |
| MinceR | fifth of his name | Nov 19 19:22 |
| scientes | MinceR, thanks for correcting me | Nov 19 19:23 |
| XRevan86 | nouns I mean | Nov 19 19:23 |
| scientes | yeah, but the sentence has the function, and the word does not function without the sentence | Nov 19 19:23 |
| scientes | whatever, I am being pedantic | Nov 19 19:24 |
| MinceR | well, it was a reference to aSoIaF :> | Nov 19 19:24 |
| XRevan86 | Everything has a function :) | Nov 19 19:24 |
| XRevan86 | scientes: If the words have no function, what are they doing in your sentence, hmm? :D | Nov 19 19:24 |
| scientes | I would like to remove mis-use of = and "function" from *my* special computer language | Nov 19 19:24 |
| scientes | with <- and proc | Nov 19 19:25 |
| XRevan86 | scientes: I like the use of "function" to mean pure (mathematical) functions. | Nov 19 19:25 |
| scientes | so the mathmatecians stop rolling in their graves | Nov 19 19:25 |
| XRevan86 | So if a subroutine has no "side-effects", it can be considered a function. | Nov 19 19:25 |
| XRevan86 | So "function" can be a sort of constraint, a guarantee. Like in Nim. | Nov 19 19:26 |
| scientes | XRevan86, exactly, func is syntactic sugar for something like proc [pure] | Nov 19 19:26 |
| scientes | except that so far, the whole reason I need to write a new language is that the whole langauge would be pure | Nov 19 19:27 |
| scientes | so that current compilers are just too messy with all their impurities, and then trying to optimize that garbage | Nov 19 19:27 |
| scientes | garbage-in-garbage-out is the problem | Nov 19 19:27 |
| XRevan86 | No one's ever tried to write a functional programming language before, that's for sure. | Nov 19 19:28 |
| scientes | XRevan86, can't call it that, because that is what Haskell is | Nov 19 19:28 |
| scientes | what it is is a non-turing-complete programming language | Nov 19 19:28 |
| scientes | because the limits to state are always defined (even if you support the polyhedral model, so that those limits can scale, and are abstracted to a given circumstance) | Nov 19 19:29 |
| scientes | *support polyhedral optimizations | Nov 19 19:29 |
| scientes | because if a machine is deterministic, it always have a limited amount of state it can store | Nov 19 19:31 |
| scientes | and if the numbers of states it can represent are finite, it doesn't satisfy Turing's "infinite time and space" requirement. Now that counterexample is not sufficient because you still have more states that there are atoms in the universe, but it is a starting point.) | Nov 19 19:32 |
| scientes | <scientes> because if a machine is deterministic, it always have a limited amount of state it can store | Nov 19 19:34 |
| scientes | this does not follow | Nov 19 19:34 |
| scientes | it goes the other way----determinism means it is possible to model all possible states of a machine | Nov 19 19:35 |
| scientes | or something narrower: a machine's memory capacity is the number of deterministic states in which it can exist | Nov 19 19:38 |
| scientes | or entropy | Nov 19 19:38 |
| -viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: Today’s #HowTos | #UNIX • ⒯⒰⒳ ⒨⒜⒞⒣⒤⒩⒠⒮ ☞ http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/144555 [https://pleroma.site/objects/eba3970f-f37f-462c-98e8-e4e2d576e536] | Nov 19 19:38 | |
| oiaohm | scientes: BPF in the Linux kernel is a not turning complete language. | Nov 19 19:39 |
| oiaohm | Its particularly design that it cannot loop for ever. | Nov 19 19:39 |
| scientes | oiaohm, if I take a man and cut off his balls, does he cease to be a man? | Nov 19 19:41 |
| oiaohm | scientes: testing for if a programing language is turing complete requires going into the insane theory world of infinite memory. So infinite number of storeable states. | Nov 19 19:46 |
| scientes | oiaohm, you are saying that the language cannot loop for ever | Nov 19 19:46 |
| scientes | except it can | Nov 19 19:46 |
| oiaohm | ebpf cannot loop for ever. | Nov 19 19:46 |
| scientes | it is just that Linux cuts off the balls of every program, before it runs it | Nov 19 19:46 |
| oiaohm | ebpf has to use defined counted loops. | Nov 19 19:47 |
| oiaohm | Ok could be like a billion times | Nov 19 19:47 |
| oiaohm | but there is a limit. | Nov 19 19:47 |
| scientes | exactly | Nov 19 19:47 |
| oiaohm | You can calcucate a max run time. | Nov 19 19:47 |
| scientes | the limit can be so high that it ceases to be a limit | Nov 19 19:48 |
| oiaohm | A turning complete language you cannot. | Nov 19 19:48 |
| scientes | <oiaohm> You can calcucate a max run time. | Nov 19 19:48 |
| scientes | yes, that is all you can do | Nov 19 19:48 |
| oiaohm | That is the key difference. | Nov 19 19:48 |
| scientes | and doing that is VERY difficult | Nov 19 19:48 |
| oiaohm | When you get into these infinity theories. | Nov 19 19:48 |
| scientes | because the approach is wrong | Nov 19 19:48 |
| oiaohm | things get horrible. | Nov 19 19:48 |
| scientes | yes, because no-body knows how to do it | Nov 19 19:49 |
| scientes | they are all doing it wrong | Nov 19 19:49 |
| scientes | <oiaohm> You can calcucate a max run time. | Nov 19 19:49 |
| scientes | you actually cant really do this either, because the memory heirarchy is so complicated | Nov 19 19:50 |
| scientes | lets say you are working in a virtual machine, so you have page tables of the parent kernel too | Nov 19 19:50 |
| scientes | and you cause a page fault | Nov 19 19:50 |
| oiaohm | That is because you are adding turning complete parts. | Nov 19 19:51 |
| scientes | or you do a mis-aligned read that straddles a page boundry | Nov 19 19:51 |
| oiaohm | Having a programing language that is not turing complete. Means if you are opearting on something that is also not turing complete you get predictable results. | Nov 19 19:52 |
| scientes | and then you read your swap from a SSD that implements 512B blocks on top of 4KB flash erase blocks, in a propritary firmware that only the vendor has the source to | Nov 19 19:52 |
| oiaohm | As soon as you start saying not predictable results you have normally added something turing complete | Nov 19 19:53 |
| oiaohm | When you are doing real-time computing work for medical items and the like you are attempting to avoid a lot of turing complete stuff. | Nov 19 19:54 |
| scientes | oiaohm, and that medical device uses a firmware locked power adapter | Nov 19 19:54 |
| scientes | so that when a single capacitor goes belly up they can change the hospital for a whole MRI machine | Nov 19 19:55 |
| scientes | there was a state senator (black) who was asking the lobbiest "so you want me to be your slave?" | Nov 19 19:55 |
| oiaohm | I understand the firmware locked power adapter | Nov 19 19:56 |
| oiaohm | on some designs of MRI | Nov 19 19:56 |
| scientes | in a Right to Repair hearing | Nov 19 19:56 |
| oiaohm | Due to the fact that the software for the MRI has to be calibrated feed voltages to get correct images. | Nov 19 19:56 |
| oiaohm | So swaping the power adapter without recalibrating can give incorrect to dangerous actions in that case. | Nov 19 19:57 |
| oiaohm | Now the issue there is not allowing people to get the recalibration software to undo the lock. | Nov 19 19:58 |
| oiaohm | scientes: I agree that there need to be right to repair laws. I also understand that there need to be cases where device detects something changes and locks self down until correct steps are done. | Nov 19 19:59 |
| oiaohm | I do not agree with the cases were you cannot get the correct steps todo. | Nov 19 20:00 |
| oiaohm | scientes: its also like some audio gear. Like some high grade microphoens where when 1 part breaks so it functions exactly right you need to replace 8 other still working parts because the 9 parts have been custom calibrated to be a matched set. | Nov 19 20:14 |
| oiaohm | That with the microphones is not firmware locked its where you replace one bit and you have extra hiss or something else that should not be there because they are no longer a matched set. | Nov 19 20:15 |
| oiaohm | some devices are just down right picky electronically. | Nov 19 20:16 |
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| DaemonFC[m] | https://www.cnbc.com/2020/11/19/treasury-seeks-to-extend-some-emergency-fed-programs-but-end-others-including-main-street-facility.html | Nov 19 22:09 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.cnbc.com | Treasury moves to end several crisis-era programs, drawing pushback from the Fed | Nov 19 22:09 | |
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| schestowitz | DaemonFC[m]: ouch | Nov 19 22:29 |
| schestowitz | It's almost like the country doesn't care about the real economy, only Wall Street (oligarchs) | Nov 19 22:30 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Yeah, the ones propping billionaires up are all he wants to extend | Nov 19 22:33 |
| schestowitz | :-) | Nov 19 22:34 |
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| DaemonFC[m] | https://github.com/qbittorrent/qBittorrent/wiki/Anonymous-Mode | Nov 19 22:43 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Anonymous Mode · qbittorrent/qBittorrent Wiki · GitHub | Nov 19 22:43 | |
| DaemonFC[m] | Worth doing on the later versions if you use a VPN. | Nov 19 22:43 |
| DaemonFC[m] | It can turn off a few bits that can more precisely identify your client. | Nov 19 22:43 |
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| DaemonFC[m] | Those copyright lawyers are still pretty vicious about the big label back catalog. | Nov 19 22:49 |
| vZS1 | Here's the thing | Nov 19 22:54 |
| vZS1 | Clever pirates make tiny modifications to files | Nov 19 22:55 |
| vZS1 | So the SHA1 in the magnet link is always up in the air | Nov 19 22:56 |
| vZS1 | On top of that, with DHT, you can't really do much unless you are just going to go after every IP address you see | Nov 19 22:57 |
| oiaohm | vZS1: sometimes not that tiny modifications like using hdmi to camera capture device to capture something protected. | Nov 19 22:58 |
| vZS1 | And most of those end up being dead ends because it's some person in El Salvador or something | Nov 19 22:59 |
| schestowitz | why that country? | Nov 19 22:59 |
| schestowitz | the stigma of crime? | Nov 19 22:59 |
| schestowitz | I doubt many there do digital things | Nov 19 22:59 |
| schestowitz | not of any level of sophistry | Nov 19 23:00 |
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| oiaohm | schestowitz: https://premproxy.com/proxy-by-country/El-Salvador-01.htm Its a common country to proxy from. | Nov 19 23:01 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Proxies from El Salvador |PremProxy.com | Nov 19 23:01 | |
| vZS1 | It was just a random country that popped into my head | Nov 19 23:01 |
| vZS1 | No particular reason | Nov 19 23:02 |
| oiaohm | Mostly due to not having a lot of laws for tracing though. | Nov 19 23:02 |
| vZS1 | Packet inspection doesn't really work either because P2P traffic breaks everything into fragments | Nov 19 23:02 |
| vZS1 | You're actually more likely to get caught using a VPN because a VPN can use telemetry without your knowledge | Nov 19 23:04 |
| oiaohm | Really I would say most likely not tracing back to a El Salvador person but tracing back to a country like El Salvador with lax laws that the lawyer cannot using local police to get any more information | Nov 19 23:04 |
| *DaemonFC[m] sent a long message: < https://matrix.org/_matrix/media/r0/download/matrix.org/PXNpGveDRaHItSkeqqjMTVKH/message.txt > | Nov 19 23:04 | |
| DaemonFC[m] | --- | Nov 19 23:04 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Another one goes splat. | Nov 19 23:04 |
| *superkuh shakes his head at matrix. | Nov 19 23:05 | |
| superkuh | All we see is, ...pGveDRaHItSkeqqjMTVKH/message.txt | Nov 19 23:05 |
| vZS1 | Looks like a hash | Nov 19 23:06 |
| superkuh | It's a URL to a .txt of the message. It's a terrible system. | Nov 19 23:07 |
| superkuh | But yeah, that part of it. | Nov 19 23:07 |
| vZS1 | I prefer content-based addressing | Nov 19 23:07 |
| superkuh | I Just didn't want to spam the entire spammy thing again. | Nov 19 23:07 |
| vZS1 | Gets rid of ambiguity | Nov 19 23:07 |
| superkuh | Tangential, http://superkuh.com/thisurlnamehasnothingtodowiththeactualtopicijustnameditthisforkicks.html | Nov 19 23:08 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-superkuh.com | Broadband/Wideband Antenna | Nov 19 23:08 | |
| oiaohm | vZS1: https://www.zdnet.com/article/telstra-tests-p2p-throttling-deep-packet-inspection/ the horrible part is there is a nasty answer ISP can do to p2p as what was done here don' | Nov 19 23:08 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Telstra tests P2P throttling, deep packet inspection | ZDNet | Nov 19 23:08 | |
| oiaohm | t care what is going by p2p just filter the lot. | Nov 19 23:08 |
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| superkuh | https://www.theverge.com/2020/11/17/21571069/microsoft-pluton-processor-security-windows-pc | Nov 19 23:08 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.theverge.com | Microsoft Pluton is a new processor with Xbox-like security for Windows PCs - The Verge | Nov 19 23:08 | |
| vZS1 | Someone on my ignore list is sharing ZDNet | Nov 19 23:09 |
| vZS1 | That'll be why you're on my ignore list | Nov 19 23:09 |
| superkuh | There are a few decent people left at zdnet. | Nov 19 23:09 |
| vZS1 | Go ahead with your "deep packet inspection" of the entire internet. What a troll | Nov 19 23:09 |
| vZS1 | There were decent people in the Nazi party. Doesn't mean it didn't need eradication. | Nov 19 23:10 |
| oiaohm | superkuh: not exactly sure if that pluton is going to be new thing really. Thinking trenchboot in server world starts first. | Nov 19 23:10 |
| superkuh | That was a quick Godwin. | Nov 19 23:11 |
| oiaohm | https://github.com/TrenchBoot/documentation/blob/master/documentation/Architecture.md Its this thing used in Azure. | Nov 19 23:11 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-documentation/Architecture.md at master · TrenchBoot/documentation · GitHub | Nov 19 23:11 | |
| schestowitz | [23:09] <vZS1> Someone on my ignore list is sharing ZDNet | Nov 19 23:12 |
| schestowitz | it's OK to link to ZDCrap to ridicule it | Nov 19 23:12 |
| schestowitz | http://techrights.org/wiki/index.php/ZDNet | Nov 19 23:12 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | ZDNet - Techrights | Nov 19 23:12 | |
| schestowitz | [23:11] <superkuh> That was a quick Godwin. | Nov 19 23:13 |
| schestowitz | to hell with Godwin | Nov 19 23:13 |
| schestowitz | the analogy was suitable and not offensive to oiaohm in any way | Nov 19 23:13 |
| vZS1 | My point stands Godwin or not | Nov 19 23:13 |
| schestowitz | many things can be brought up in a discussion | Nov 19 23:13 |
| schestowitz | like someone's mother | Nov 19 23:14 |
| schestowitz | or nationality | Nov 19 23:14 |
| schestowitz | Why should Nazis get a special treatment? | Nov 19 23:14 |
| superkuh | Hey man. I don't make the rules. Godwin's law is godwins law. I respect the usenet ways. | Nov 19 23:14 |
| schestowitz | as if to vainly discourage people from such analogies | Nov 19 23:14 |
| schestowitz | the "law' says what it likely to happen | Nov 19 23:14 |
| schestowitz | many discussions get heated and end up talking about blacks | Nov 19 23:14 |
| superkuh | If it's not clear yet, I'm just joking around. | Nov 19 23:14 |
| schestowitz | should we make a law about that too? | Nov 19 23:14 |
| schestowitz | superkuh: yeah :-) | Nov 19 23:15 |
| schestowitz | but figosdev especially hates that | Nov 19 23:15 |
| schestowitz | because nazis analogies have their place | Nov 19 23:15 |
| oiaohm | https://www.telstra.com.au/content/dam/tcom/business-enterprise/network-services/pdf/telstra-business-peak-application-performance-data-sheet.pdf This is the telstra sales sheet to sell deep packet inspection to business customers. | Nov 19 23:15 |
| schestowitz | in this particular case it's not even an insult to anyone | Nov 19 23:15 |
| schestowitz | the insinuation is that someone will be called a nazi | Nov 19 23:15 |
| vZS1 | Didn't actually call a person that. More an organisation | Nov 19 23:16 |
| superkuh | Whew boy. OKay, no more godwin jokes here. Got it. | Nov 19 23:16 |
| schestowitz | :-) | Nov 19 23:16 |
| vZS1 | ZDNet and its ilk are technology fascists | Nov 19 23:16 |
| schestowitz | i think it's OK mentioning nazis | Nov 19 23:16 |
| oiaohm | Lot of people think deep packet inspection has to go inside packets. | Nov 19 23:16 |
| schestowitz | without mike godwin being brought up | Nov 19 23:16 |
| schestowitz | like he was some brilliant mind for pointing it out | Nov 19 23:16 |
| schestowitz | I mentioned nazis just 1-2 hours ago | Nov 19 23:17 |
| oiaohm | But what telstra is up to is we will work out the applicaiton traffic pattern and boost, cripple, or block it. | Nov 19 23:17 |
| schestowitz | because iBM is again playing word eradication games | Nov 19 23:17 |
| schestowitz | while deflecting as usual | Nov 19 23:17 |
| vZS1 | superkuh: not really bothering me with the whole Godwin thing | Nov 19 23:17 |
| vZS1 | Just making clear | Nov 19 23:17 |
| superkuh | Ok. | Nov 19 23:17 |
| schestowitz | :-) | Nov 19 23:17 |
| schestowitz | I call trump something "nazi" a lot | Nov 19 23:17 |
| schestowitz | because the analogies often word | Nov 19 23:17 |
| vZS1 | I used an analogy I thought was appropriate | Nov 19 23:17 |
| schestowitz | and tick the boxes | Nov 19 23:17 |
| schestowitz | *work | Nov 19 23:18 |
| schestowitz | vZS1: maybe until there's a "law" about Trump we can compare to Trump regime instead | Nov 19 23:18 |
| oiaohm | Also did not help that Trump hung around with people who basically call themselves Nazi as well. | Nov 19 23:18 |
| schestowitz | [23:10] <vZS1> There were decent people in the Trump regime party. Doesn't mean it didn't need eradication. | Nov 19 23:18 |
| vZS1 | One need only see forced and involuntary sterilisation of people in those immigrant camps | Nov 19 23:19 |
| vZS1 | Under the Trump administration | Nov 19 23:19 |
| vZS1 | Let me find the link | Nov 19 23:20 |
| vZS1 | Hold on | Nov 19 23:20 |
| schestowitz | there's also nytimes with the inside in the trump regime in the wh | Nov 19 23:21 |
| schestowitz | saying he tried to reform them | Nov 19 23:21 |
| schestowitz | and acted like a mole | Nov 19 23:21 |
| schestowitz | iirc, one devout catholic member in the nazi party plotted to assassinate hitler | Nov 19 23:21 |
| schestowitz | for being against what he perceived his religion to be preaching | Nov 19 23:21 |
| schestowitz | and there may have been others | Nov 19 23:21 |
| schestowitz | but still, that does not make the party ok, which was the original point | Nov 19 23:22 |
| schestowitz | vZS1: we have about a dozen links about that | Nov 19 23:22 |
| schestowitz | in Daily Links | Nov 19 23:22 |
| schestowitz | inc. interviews | Nov 19 23:22 |
| oiaohm | vZS1: https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2020/sep/17/ice-hysterectomy-allegations-us-eugenics-history This has more of the history in it. | Nov 19 23:23 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.theguardian.com | Ice hysterectomy allegations in line with US's long and racist history of eugenics | US immigration | The Guardian | Nov 19 23:23 | |
| schestowitz | https://www.commondreams.org/news/2020/10/23/cruelty-was-always-plan-pressed-mass-family-separations-final-debate-trump-smears | Nov 19 23:23 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.commondreams.org | 'Cruelty Was Always the Plan': Pressed on Mass Family Separations in Final Debate, Trump Smears Victims as 'Bad People' | Common Dreams News | Nov 19 23:23 | |
| schestowitz | https://truthout.org/articles/forced-sterilization-is-nothing-new-to-criminalized-people-in-the-us/ | Nov 19 23:23 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-truthout.org | Forced Sterilization Is Nothing New to Criminalized People in the US | Nov 19 23:23 | |
| schestowitz | https://www.commondreams.org/news/2020/09/16/fight-not-over-activists-help-ice-detainee-avoid-deportation-following-alleged | Nov 19 23:24 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.commondreams.org | 'This Fight Is Not Over': Activists Help ICE Detainee Avoid Deportation Following Alleged Sterilization Procedure at Georgia Facility | Common Dreams News | Nov 19 23:24 | |
| oiaohm | The sterillisation problem the the USA starts in 1927 with a supreme court ruling. Nothing has be put into USA law since then to over turn it. | Nov 19 23:24 |
| schestowitz | IBM: http://techrights.org/2020/08/16/ibm-powered-purges/ | Nov 19 23:24 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | The Full Story (With References) of IBM’s Role in a Purge of Black People and Mixed-Race Couples | Techrights | Nov 19 23:24 | |
| schestowitz | also of relevance (more recent): | Nov 19 23:24 |
| schestowitz | http://techrights.org/2020/06/14/linux-foundation-with-zero-african-american-employees-in-a-country-where-13-4-identify-as-african-american-boasts-about-its-support-for-the-black-community/ | Nov 19 23:24 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Linux Foundation, With Zero African-American Employees (in a Country Where 13.4% Identify as African-American), Boasts About Its “Support for the Black Community” | Techrights | Nov 19 23:24 | |
| schestowitz | http://techrights.org/2020/09/29/ibm-keen-sense-of-public-relations/ | Nov 19 23:24 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | IBM’s Founder, Mr. Watson (Yes, That Watson), Had “Very Keen Sense of Public Relations” | Techrights | Nov 19 23:24 | |
| vZS1 | https://kottke.org/20/09/horrifying-reports-of-forced-hysterectomies-at-ice-detention-camps | Nov 19 23:24 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-kottke.org | Horrifying Reports of Forced Hysterectomies at ICE Detention Camps | Nov 19 23:24 | |
| vZS1 | Didn't GitHub have a whole episode with ICE a while back? | Nov 19 23:25 |
| schestowitz | https://truthout.org/video/survivors-of-forced-sterilization-in-california-prisons-are-speaking-out/ | Nov 19 23:25 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-truthout.org | Survivors of Forced Sterilization in California Prisons Are Speaking Out | Nov 19 23:25 | |
| schestowitz | https://www.democracynow.org/2020/9/22/belly_of_the_beast_documentary | Nov 19 23:25 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.democracynow.org | “Belly of the Beast”: Survivors of Forced Sterilizations in California’s Prisons Fight for Justice | Democracy Now! | Nov 19 23:25 | |
| schestowitz | Microsoft partners: https://www.democracynow.org/2020/9/22/dawn_wooten_ice_forced_sterilization | Nov 19 23:25 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.democracynow.org | Whistleblower Nurse in ICE Jail Alleges Forced Sterilization & Neglect Amid 8th COVID Death | Democracy Now! | Nov 19 23:25 | |
| vZS1 | Thanks for the links | Nov 19 23:26 |
| vZS1 | So you see | Nov 19 23:26 |
| schestowitz | https://www.democracynow.org/2020/9/23/no_mas_bebes_forced_sterilization | Nov 19 23:26 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.democracynow.org | No Más Bebés: ICE Hysterectomy Scandal Recalls 1970s LA, When a Hospital Sterilized Chicana Patients | Democracy Now! | Nov 19 23:26 | |
| vZS1 | They are a lot more like Nazis than people think | Nov 19 23:26 |
| vZS1 | This is why TR is great. I don't have this kind of knowledge for these topics. | Nov 19 23:27 |
| schestowitz | thanks | Nov 19 23:27 |
| kingoffrance | some ppl have said its the other way around; the nazis were inspired by them | Nov 19 23:28 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Trump just lost 3 more lawsuits in Georgia, Pennsylvania, and Arizona. | Nov 19 23:28 |
| DaemonFC[m] | He's lost over 3 dozen lawsuits that went in front of judges who were mostly Republicans. | Nov 19 23:29 |
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| DaemonFC[m] | No wonder Rudy Giuliani is leaking 15w40 hair dye. | Nov 19 23:29 |
| DaemonFC[m] | He's clearly blown a gasket. | Nov 19 23:29 |
| schestowitz | DaemonFC[m]: next up Trump has a stroke | Nov 19 23:30 |
| schestowitz | the end | Nov 19 23:30 |
| schestowitz | no need to divorce Melania | Nov 19 23:30 |
| schestowitz | she inherits the debt | Nov 19 23:30 |
| schestowitz | DB arrests here | Nov 19 23:30 |
| schestowitz | in debt prison | Nov 19 23:30 |
| DaemonFC[m] | No reason to stay married to him. | Nov 19 23:31 |
| DaemonFC[m] | She'll just be another creditor at the bankruptcy anyway. | Nov 19 23:31 |
| schestowitz | she's planning to divorce | Nov 19 23:31 |
| schestowitz | it's in the news | Nov 19 23:31 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Might as well leave while there's some assets maybe. | Nov 19 23:31 |
| DaemonFC[m] | I read that the only reason she hasn't bolted already is she knows that Trump would find some way to get revenge for humiliating her for divorcing him while he's still in the spotlight after losing the election. | Nov 19 23:32 |
| schestowitz | some tabloids made it official | Nov 19 23:32 |
| schestowitz | saying or implying she had already filed | Nov 19 23:32 |
| schestowitz | maybe she wants out before the DB loans are due | Nov 19 23:32 |
| schestowitz | so she might get something still | Nov 19 23:32 |
| schestowitz | DaemonFC[m]: it would not be wise | Nov 19 23:33 |
| schestowitz | she can humiliate him more | Nov 19 23:33 |
| schestowitz | heck, she can reveal his crimes | Nov 19 23:33 |
| schestowitz | and finish him | Nov 19 23:33 |
| schestowitz | Ivana spoke/wrote (via law firm) in the coutt filing about how he kept reading Hitler's work | Nov 19 23:34 |
| schestowitz | in the same way Bannon's wife threw dirt | Nov 19 23:34 |
| schestowitz | she has more leverage on him than he has on her | Nov 19 23:34 |
| schestowitz | and media would be attentive to HER -- not his -- allegations | Nov 19 23:34 |
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| vZS1 | Trump acquittal after impeachment tells you all you need to know about that system | Nov 19 23:37 |
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| DaemonFC[m] | Well, Mitch McConnell defended not removing Trump by saying the voters would have an opportunity to have their say. | Nov 19 23:40 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Then they got blindsided when the voters......removed Trump. | Nov 19 23:40 |
| schestowitz | don't trust systems that bomb countries for "Freedom"and "Democracy" | Nov 19 23:41 |
| schestowitz | while the bomb manufacturers are private, for-profit firms | Nov 19 23:41 |
| DaemonFC[m] | He may go kicking and screaming, but he'll go. | Nov 19 23:41 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Question is what Biden does. Whatever it is, I doubt it will be as horrendous as another 4 years of Trump. | Nov 19 23:41 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Only reason I voted for him. | Nov 19 23:41 |
| schestowitz | as many others did | Nov 19 23:42 |
| schestowitz | 2 months more | Nov 19 23:42 |
| schestowitz | 20 jan | Nov 19 23:42 |
| schestowitz | Trump as trespasser | Nov 19 23:42 |
| DaemonFC[m] | If Larry Hogan runs in the Republican Primary next cycle, I may vote as a Republican to nominate him in the primary. | Nov 19 23:42 |
| schestowitz | Maybe he can egg on his militias | Nov 19 23:42 |
| schestowitz | to do a SFK | Nov 19 23:42 |
| schestowitz | *JFK | Nov 19 23:42 |
| DaemonFC[m] | That would be unwise. | Nov 19 23:43 |
| vZS1 | Biden is pretty old. A stroke might get him first. Can't be easy being president at his age. | Nov 19 23:43 |
| schestowitz | Trump would choke on a beef burger just fantasising about it | Nov 19 23:43 |
| DaemonFC[m] | The sentiment after the Kennedy assassination speaks for itself. Look at thee 1964 election. Nobody even liked Lyndon Johnson and the entire map lit up blue. | Nov 19 23:43 |
| schestowitz | vZS1: then it's Harris | Nov 19 23:43 |
| schestowitz | Harris is likely not as bad as Biden | Nov 19 23:43 |
| DaemonFC[m] | I did question the wisdom of picking a Senator from California. | Nov 19 23:44 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Normally you pick someone who is popular in a close state that you're trying to win. | Nov 19 23:44 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Although he did still win Georgia. | Nov 19 23:45 |
| schestowitz | he won funding | Nov 19 23:45 |
| schestowitz | many of the tech giants are there | Nov 19 23:45 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Some were hoping he'd choose Stacey Abrams to pull in Georgia. | Nov 19 23:45 |
| schestowitz | Maybe she would have been 'too black' for Biden's GOP base | Nov 19 23:46 |
| schestowitz | Biden is more right than left | Nov 19 23:46 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Picking up Georgia is a significant blow to Trump because they're getting ready to certify their vote quickly after this recount and Trump stands no chance of interfering with it. | Nov 19 23:46 |
| schestowitz | Obama was half of Kenya descent, I think Harris India and Jamaica | Nov 19 23:46 |
| schestowitz | Georgia is a very racist state historically | Nov 19 23:47 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Yeah, Trump never could work with Congress on much except that he and the Republicans used each other from time to time. | Nov 19 23:47 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Yeah, which makes this all the more bizarre. | Nov 19 23:47 |
| schestowitz | I don't know what % black-American it is, wouldn't shock me if about 30% | Nov 19 23:47 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Black voters in Georgia gave the state's electoral vote to Biden. | Nov 19 23:47 |
| DaemonFC[m] | My uncle, who is quite quite racist, lives down there, and I'm sure he's horrifed. | Nov 19 23:47 |
| DaemonFC[m] | hehehehehe | Nov 19 23:47 |
| schestowitz | I guess calling countries "shithole" does not help | Nov 19 23:48 |
| schestowitz | it riles people up | Nov 19 23:48 |
| schestowitz | and they vote like it's trhe pilgrimage | Nov 19 23:48 |
| schestowitz | same for natives | Nov 19 23:48 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Trump needlessly piled onto that at the debate. | Nov 19 23:48 |
| schestowitz | after calling Warren "Pocahontas" | Nov 19 23:48 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Said India and China were "filthy" "nasty" countries. | Nov 19 23:48 |
| schestowitz | India also? | Nov 19 23:48 |
| schestowitz | that will be played back a lot | Nov 19 23:49 |
| schestowitz | to cause like 3 billion people to keep the US away | Nov 19 23:49 |
| schestowitz | "Chinese virus" | Nov 19 23:49 |
| schestowitz | people don't forget those catchphrases | Nov 19 23:49 |
| schestowitz | Biden won't fix it | Nov 19 23:49 |
| DaemonFC[m] | You don't think a "Look, it's over, he's gone. We got rid of him. Sorry, sorry." will fix that? | Nov 19 23:50 |
| DaemonFC[m] | You know any democracy is at risk of having this happen. | Nov 19 23:50 |
| DaemonFC[m] | You know that... Look what just happened because of idiots in your country. | Nov 19 23:51 |
| schestowitz | [23:50] <DaemonFC[m]> You don't think a "Look, it's over, he's gone. We got rid of him. Sorry, sorry." will fix that? | Nov 19 23:51 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Not only Boris Johnson, but Brexit and the US discussing maybe having to sanction you for violating human rights. | Nov 19 23:51 |
| DaemonFC[m] | I mean, come on. | Nov 19 23:51 |
| schestowitz | many countries never forgave the US for Bush/Cheney | Nov 19 23:51 |
| schestowitz | some never forgave us for B'liar, either | Nov 19 23:51 |
| DaemonFC[m] | It swings back and forth. | Nov 19 23:51 |
| DaemonFC[m] | You can't keep the lunatics at bay 100% of the time. | Nov 19 23:52 |
| schestowitz | many never forgave Germany even 80 years later | Nov 19 23:52 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Well, at least there wasn't a holocaust in the US under Trump. | Nov 19 23:52 |
| schestowitz | and people will remember that 70+ million yanks STILL voted Trump | Nov 19 23:52 |
| DaemonFC[m] | It's bad that you even have to say that. | Nov 19 23:52 |
| schestowitz | and only a surge of anti-Trump stopped that from giving him 4-lifetime more years | Nov 19 23:52 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Yeah, but you know, the virus plague he brought here is going to spend 4 more years killing many of those people. | Nov 19 23:53 |
| schestowitz | ooh shit!! | Nov 19 23:53 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Before they get to try again. | Nov 19 23:53 |
| schestowitz | https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/country/us/ | Nov 19 23:53 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.worldometers.info | United States Coronavirus: 12,052,527 Cases and 258,182 Deaths - Worldometer | Nov 19 23:53 | |
| schestowitz | it'll be over 2000 today | Nov 19 23:53 |
| schestowitz | first time since spring-ish | Nov 19 23:53 |
| schestowitz | "Murican carnage" | Nov 19 23:54 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Yeah, and so could be millions, and mostly the demographic that tried to foist Trump on us again. | Nov 19 23:54 |
| schestowitz | self-induced | Nov 19 23:54 |
| schestowitz | by the "Murican carnage" Mafia DOn | Nov 19 23:54 |
| vZS1 | Millions of people are dying to this pandemic because of politicians | Nov 19 23:54 |
| vZS1 | Not the Holocaust but still a lot of dead people | Nov 19 23:54 |
| DaemonFC[m] | I meant a Holocaust in the sense of people being rounded up and shot and forced into incinerators and gas chambers. | Nov 19 23:55 |
| DaemonFC[m] | At least THAT didn't happen under Trump. | Nov 19 23:55 |
| vZS1 | ICE | Nov 19 23:55 |
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| DaemonFC[m] | But it may well have eventually, or you know, he might have started a process that led to that. | Nov 19 23:56 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Do you think ICE will be reigned in a bit by Biden? | Nov 19 23:56 |
| vZS1 | No idea | Nov 19 23:56 |
| schestowitz | ICE is not going away | Nov 19 23:57 |
| schestowitz | Biden is not even signalling that | Nov 19 23:57 |
| schestowitz | Obama was OK with Bush's ICE | Nov 19 23:57 |
| schestowitz | even expanded it a bit, iirc | Nov 19 23:57 |
| schestowitz | increased deportations, too | Nov 19 23:57 |
| schestowitz | the two booths, blue and red, walk in the same direction | Nov 19 23:57 |
| schestowitz | but the regime is right-footed | Nov 19 23:57 |
| schestowitz | so the right foot stride harder | Nov 19 23:58 |
| schestowitz | *strides | Nov 19 23:58 |
| schestowitz | the left foot is dragged along | Nov 19 23:58 |
| schestowitz | sometimes even enthusiastically | Nov 19 23:58 |
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| schestowitz | https://www.businessinsider.com/obama-said-hes-really-good-at-killing-people-2013-11 | Nov 19 23:58 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.businessinsider.com | Obama Said He's 'Really Good At Killing People' - Business Insider | Nov 19 23:58 | |
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