IRC: #techrights @ FreeNode: Sunday, December 20, 2020

schestowitz

they don't take source code but binary blobs

DaemonFC[m]

Sometimes several hundred pieces of it get removed at once after allegedly been "hand picked" and "inspected" by Google, Apple, Microsoft, or whoever.

DaemonFC[m]

*allegedly having been

schestowitz

maybe based on detected behaviour

schestowitz

not the code

DaemonFC[m]

They don't actually look at what the hell they're signing or putting in their stores.

schestowitz

like accessing what they ought not

schestowitz

I'll put "Linux" in quotes

schestowitz

they call everything that

DaemonFC[m]

schestowitz: Epic Games slipped in that payment system past Apple's review process in much the same way Solarwinds got past everybody.

DaemonFC[m]

In that case, it was not malicious. Just dormant code that Apple didn't notice.

schestowitz

DaemonFC[m]: are you reading it?

schestowitz

Trying to clean it asap

schestowitz

to avoid typos beind visible

DaemonFC[m]

But Apple can't guarantee that there is no dormant code that's not ready to activate and steal data from their users all at once.

DaemonFC[m]

"Like DRM schemes, it’s only a matter of time before it’s rendered obsolete."

DaemonFC[m]

No mistakes, just a comment.

DaemonFC[m]

Nothing protected by Widevine, FairPlay, or PlayReady ever delays the video surfacing on bittorrent sites.

schestowitz

will add

DaemonFC[m]

Just as games get cracked and packaged more efficiently right away.

DaemonFC[m]

"How can we securely bank online using encryption that has back doors in it?"

Dec 20 00:35

DaemonFC[m]

The bank is a backdoor. They are legally required to report suspicious transactions and large amounts of cash activity to the federal government immediately.

Dec 20 00:36

DaemonFC[m]

Bitcoin isn't valuable because it's a thing. It's valuable because it's a payment method that the banks can't block from going through. Consider that Pornhub wasn't actively promoting illegal content knowingly, but got ambushed by banks blocking off their payment after they found a handful of videos among 14 million or so legal ones.

Dec 20 00:37

DaemonFC[m]

The result is that Pornhub went on the extreme defense, deleting most videos and forcing everyone to prove their innocence.

Dec 20 00:37

DaemonFC[m]

But had they accepted bitcoin, nobody could block that, and so outright illegal activity is using bitcoin. And Maricel has a ton of Bitcoin, and who knows why that is?

Dec 20 00:38

DaemonFC[m]

I can't think of a good reason not to just have USD in a bank account unless she's up to some really bad shit.

Dec 20 00:38

DaemonFC[m]

"in tact"

Dec 20 00:39

DaemonFC[m]

Should be intact.

Dec 20 00:39

DaemonFC[m]

"One reader of our"

Dec 20 00:40

DaemonFC[m]

ours

Dec 20 00:40

schestowitz

yup

Dec 20 00:42

schestowitz

Maricel or Mark? Bitcoin?

Dec 20 00:42

schestowitz

I doubt the former would know how to use it

Dec 20 00:42

DaemonFC[m]

"often behind portrayed"

DaemonFC[m]

being

schestowitz

thanks, yes, I caught that too

DaemonFC[m]

schestowitz: They all have crypto wallets.

DaemonFC[m]

She had even made one under Mandy's name and continued to use it for a while until I became aware of it and scrambled his password.

Dec 20 00:44

DaemonFC[m]

She also committed fraud to sign him up for a credit card in 2018, and as such, he already had an "account" with her email address attached to it on Capital One when we went to sign him up for a real one that he approved of.

Dec 20 00:45

DaemonFC[m]

There really is no telling what Maricel is up to. The parts that I know about are bad enough and involve fraud against her relatives and the government.

schestowitz

sounds like it..

schestowitz

stay away

schestowitz

she could get her brother implicated even without his knowledge

DaemonFC[m]

I did what I could do.

DaemonFC[m]

I put fraud alerts on his credit reports.

schestowitz

even if he denies being aware of it, the burden of proof would be on him to show it

schestowitz

and in case of doubt, his situation is already precarious regardless

DaemonFC[m]

Yeah, I've thought about that.

Dec 20 00:49

schestowitz

worse:

schestowitz

the more I think about it

schestowitz

she can use him as scapegoat

schestowitz

for leverage/blackmail

DaemonFC[m]

I guarantee you she would if she got caught.

schestowitz

it's an 'insurance' policy

schestowitz

in case they get caught

schestowitz

and guess who gets deported

schestowitz

the poor one

schestowitz

not the rich one

schestowitz

it's easier and cheaper to prosecute

schestowitz

and less of a status to defend

schestowitz

so the state finds that more convenient, as the IRS certainly does (to drive up "productivity" numbers)

DaemonFC[m]

They're not rich.

DaemonFC[m]

They're in debt trying to pretend at being rich.

schestowitz

yes, that's US def of rich

schestowitz

like Trump

DaemonFC[m]

In reality, they're like an inch away from losing everything.

schestowitz

I live like I'm rich, hence I'm rich

schestowitz

"I'm not rich, but I act like one in real life"

schestowitz

it's based on borrowings from the future

DaemonFC[m]

Maricel said I have no idea of what "the real life" is like.

DaemonFC[m]

I laughed.

schestowitz

like banks did when loaning for interest payments

DaemonFC[m]

She's on that treadmill Richard Stallman was talking about.

schestowitz

people wrongly assume that as borrowers they're backed by physical cash at the back of the reception

DaemonFC[m]

She can't be happy sitting on the couch reading a book, going to the supermarket on double coupon day and driving a car that makes weird noises sometimes but is paid for.

DaemonFC[m]

So the result is some major lawsuits every now and then.

DaemonFC[m]

Maybe a Chapter 13 bankruptcy eventually.

schestowitz

or.... actual positive balance sheet on the bank's <what's that accounting term?>

DaemonFC[m]

In the black.

schestowitz

schestowitz

the old machine term

schestowitz

taller?

schestowitz

bakrolling term

schestowitz

it evades me... tip of the tongue

schestowitz

anyway, depends on language, doesn't matter much

schestowitz

anyway, banks overstretch

DaemonFC[m]

Net worth?

DaemonFC[m]

They have negative net worth.

schestowitz

many assumptions re input and output of money

DaemonFC[m]

More debt than assets.

schestowitz

inflow, outflow

DaemonFC[m]

All the assets depreciate so fast that the creditors wouldn't even want them back anymore.

schestowitz

I'm surprised we don't yet hear about banks collapsing

schestowitz

maybe they want to cash in on lots of foreclosures

schestowitz

mortgages are being frozen

schestowitz

they call it holiday

schestowitz

but after holidays people go back to work and resume

DaemonFC[m]

Yeah, so are insurance coverages.

schestowitz

many jobs here aren't resuming

schestowitz

so the mortgage payments cannot just carry on later; utility bills are even worse... but the law prevents shutoffs

schestowitz

the whole social security system can collapse soon

schestowitz

it's on the brink already

schestowitz

we'll need some major reset

schestowitz

like UBI

schestowitz

not enough jobs

schestowitz

more so when services are shut

schestowitz

dining, bars, hotels, hospitality/travel

DaemonFC[m]

The utilities aren't even prohibited from shutoffs in Illinois right now.

DaemonFC[m]

Even though it's winter.

schestowitz

those jobs are gone for years to come and might not come back except in very limited capacity

DaemonFC[m]

The governor signed a law that essential utilities can't require a deposit.

DaemonFC[m]

Which saved me like $100 up front to get the electric on.

schestowitz

2,546 deaths so far today in USland

schestowitz

120 in IL

DaemonFC[m]

Yes, it's an emergency without end.

schestowitz

Pennsylvania 203

DaemonFC[m]

And then they tell us we're getting half the vaccine doses they said we would.

schestowitz

by March it'll be about a year

schestowitz

US excess death can be over half a million by then, easily 700,000+

DaemonFC[m]

By March, 600,000 Americans will be officially dead from this.

DaemonFC[m]

The end of March that is.

schestowitz

I spoke to my sister last night

schestowitz

she had returned from Dubai

DaemonFC[m]

I start counting from about March 23rd because that's when the lockdown started and they admitted we were in serious trouble.

schestowitz

and we joked about how these clinical trials ("vaccines") won't actually solve thsi

DaemonFC[m]

Trump saying things like "I don't need the numbers.".

schestowitz

the politicians give us false hope

DaemonFC[m]

"If you didn't test anyone there wouldn't be all these deaths."

schestowitz

we still havr the flu

schestowitz

though we have a vaccine fro it

schestowitz

and it's not as lethal

DaemonFC[m]

"If it wasn't for the ballots, I would've won!"

schestowitz

but the issue is not COVID

schestowitz

but a broken economy

schestowitz

they won't do a big long shutdown

schestowitz

because too many things will collapse

schestowitz

COVID won't be over until the number of cases is ZERO

schestowitz

which is unlikely to happen

DaemonFC[m]

Yeah, they pretty much opened things back up in Illinois.

schestowitz

even if we have 1) EFFECTIVE vaccines and 2) most people ACCEPTED these

schestowitz

so it's here to stay basically

DaemonFC[m]

YOu can go to the mall if you want to right now.

schestowitz

we can only limit the damage a bit

DaemonFC[m]

That would be the mall that isn't paying their mortgage.

schestowitz

some shops already shut down here

DaemonFC[m]

With the tenants that demand rent reductions because the anchor stores are going bankrupt and traffic is down 50%.

schestowitz

they lost hope of turnaround

schestowitz

and the "vaccine" hopes are also debunked by results

schestowitz

we see no concrete improvements where they administer this

DaemonFC[m]

The only way the mall tenants survive is with lower rents that offset some of the sales drop.

schestowitz

then they come up with excuses about having to "wait" (how long for?)

DaemonFC[m]

Then the mall company doesn't pay the mortgage because they're buying JC Penney even though it's a zombie company that hasn't turned a profit in years, because without it, their tenants get automatic rent reductions.

schestowitz

when the malls' owners aren't paid (like movie theatres), banks will suffer

schestowitz

The FakeEconomy(TM) will pretend all is well

schestowitz

never been better!

schestowitz

Wall Street IS "the economy"

schestowitz

[17:14] <tr_guest|24610> 2. Microsoft has been paying contractors the whole time: https://blogs.microsoft.com/on-the-issues/2020/12/17/microsoft-covid-19-washington-state-support/

-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-blogs.microsoft.com | Microsoft commits more than $110M in additional support for nonprofits, workers and schools in Washington state - Microsoft On the Issues

DaemonFC[m]

JC Penney went through the bankruptcy so that it could get rid of its particularly toxic debts and be more attractive for a takeover.

schestowitz

talk about Microsoft straw man

schestowitz

linking to their lobbying blog

schestowitz

so you know it was a well-prepared Microsoft spinner

schestowitz

copy-pasting spin, not even debunking what we said

schestowitz

Debenhams here may be shutting down

schestowitz

similar to JC Penney

DaemonFC[m]

The bankruptcy law makes sense in that if they couldn't then they'd liquidate and it would be a total loss.

schestowitz

maybe we don't have much time left (decade) before shops where you see and touch what you buy become extinct

DaemonFC[m]

But it makes no sense because after the mall's lender gets tired of this and forecloses, there won't be a JCP anyway.

DaemonFC[m]

schestowitz: iBotta is selling restaurant gift cars with double the normal rebates.

schestowitz

In get 10-20 spam mails per day from Chna

schestowitz

factory owners in China

schestowitz

they're desperate also

DaemonFC[m]

And that's great except you can't go in and eat, so you could be left holding a card that's worthless after they file bankruptcy.

schestowitz

I suppose their info. lockdown in China prevents us knowing how bad things really are over there

schestowitz

many obsolete workers and machinery

Dec 20 01:12

schestowitz

DaemonFC[m]: those cards always carry with them a risk

Dec 20 01:12

schestowitz

like banknotes that are associated with a lunatic economy

Dec 20 01:12

schestowitz

or notes that can be just canceled like in India

schestowitz

MODI

schestowitz

Homes as assets might be OK until there's war where you live

schestowitz

and you cannot take the home elsewhere

schestowitz

so the value dives and you're left with worthless junk. I have a friend with family in Iran that's affected by it. They owned homes and now it's worthless

schestowitz

also a relative who did student accomodation

DaemonFC[m]

Yeah, China throwing out American journalists for no particular reason and then claiming COVID was all under control and people in Wuhan throw maskless gatherings now.

schestowitz

before COVID made those unoccupied

schestowitz

so real estate is also NOT risk-free

DaemonFC[m]

schestowitz: How stupid do they think we are?

schestowitz

Homes cannot move

schestowitz

unless they're portable homes, like SUVs

schestowitz

and even those are expensive to transport far

schestowitz

Mark Shuttleworth had to pay big tax on wealth transfer to his tax haven

https://edition.cnn.com/2020/12/19/politics/trump-oval-office-meeting-special-counsel-martial-law/index.html

DaemonFC[m]

-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-edition.cnn.com | Heated Oval Office meeting included talk of special counsel, martial law as Trump advisers clash - CNNPolitics

DaemonFC[m]

"Marshall Law" -Trump

schestowitz

some just set up a fake charity, as he did, eventually...

schestowitz

all the rich people become 'charities'

schestowitz

for tax reasons

schestowitz

not just PR

https://www.star-telegram.com/opinion/bud-kennedy/article247806885.html

schestowitz

tax evasion (crime) painted as "philanthropy"... it's a Thing(TM) now

Dec 20 01:17

schestowitz

"Marshall Law" after a crisis of one's own making

Dec 20 01:17

schestowitz

maybe next thing you know he'll pay alt-reich to torch the white house

Dec 20 01:18

DaemonFC[m]

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DaemonFC[m]

Disney+ is raising the price.

DaemonFC[m]

That's what all of these streaming companies do.

DaemonFC[m]

They get you hooked and then start raising the price like crazy.

DaemonFC[m]

Netflix costs double what it used to.

schestowitz

because it was losing

Dec 20 01:33

schestowitz

first they get you hooked

Dec 20 01:33

schestowitz

and hope to drive competition out of business

Dec 20 01:34

schestowitz

it looked like Uber could pull this off.... until COVID

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Dec 20 01:36

DaemonFC[m]

Yeah, the Uber rates to go across town like 10 miles are like $35 now.

Dec 20 01:36

DaemonFC[m]

It's collapsing because few are willing to pay that.

Dec 20 01:36

schestowitz

> It's been a while since we've chatted, but I think of you and read your work

Dec 20 01:37

schestowitz

> often. There's great cheer in it.

Dec 20 01:37

schestowitz

Dec 20 01:37

schestowitz

> Donald Trump and republican morons have made life more difficult here than I

schestowitz

> imagined anyone could and then Covid19 happened. Me and my family are

schestowitz

> managing better than most because xxxxxxxxxxx is really an essential

schestowitz

> service and it's unlikely my clinic will close. We have been careful and

schestowitz

> tried to and avoid putting other people at risk, but other people around me

schestowitz

> have been dangerously mislead and everyone can see the results. At least one

schestowitz

> of my clinic's patients, a person who was otherwise curable, has died of

schestowitz

> Covid19. An overflow Covid19 ward has been put across the hall from my

schestowitz

> clinic several times and is now filling up again.

https://www.mainenewsonline.com/what-is-lenovo-vantage/

DaemonFC[m]

COVID has completely overwhelmed my grandmother's nursing home.

Dec 20 01:39

DaemonFC[m]

Dec 20 01:40

-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.mainenewsonline.com | What Is Lenovo Vantage? A Must-Read For Lenovo Device Users

Dec 20 01:40

DaemonFC[m]

Wow, what a puff piece.

Dec 20 01:40

DaemonFC[m]

schestowitz: Seems like half of Lenovo Advantage is about twisting your arm into accepting bloatware and questionable "performance tuning" software, and the other half is about putting shortcuts to control panel applets that are in Windows anyway and checking Lenovo's site for outdated drivers when the Intel driver assistant does a far better job.

Dec 20 01:41

DaemonFC[m]

If that wasn't bad enough, it installs a system service that spawns a bunch of instances for god only knows what purpose.

schestowitz

'Advantage'

schestowitz

whose?

schestowitz

silverfish was it?

DaemonFC[m]

And the only part of the package you need is a much smaller app called LenovoUtility which activates the spacial key combos.

superish https://slate.com/technology/2015/02/lenovo-superfish-scandal-why-its-one-of-the-worst-consumer-computing-screw-ups-ever.html

schestowitz

-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-slate.com | Lenovo Superfish scandal: Why it’s one of the worst consumer computing screw-ups ever.

DaemonFC[m]

superfish

https://www.pcworld.com/article/3222706/lenovos-superfish-bloatware-scandal-reveals-a-sneaky-tactic-we-thought-microsoft-had-started.html

schestowitz

-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Lenovo's Superfish bloatware scandal reveals a sneaky tactic we thought Microsoft had started | PCWorld

https://www.cnet.com/how-to/lenovo-superfish-adware-uninstall-fix/

schestowitz

-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-How to find out if your Lenovo is infected with the Superfish adware and remove it - CNET

DaemonFC[m]

After a few seconds of Lenovo Vantage (correct spelling) I decided I wanted nothing to do with it and uninstalled it and the system service.

DaemonFC[m]

It's basically scareware.

DaemonFC[m]

Oh no your computer will blow up if you don't buy McAfee Antivirus!

schestowitz

Ariadne: I'm making full backup of wordpress uploads now. Next the databases, offsite backups just in case of migration woes later on.

Ariadne

we'll finish that up monday

DaemonFC[m]

People were honestly surprised that AVG/Avast were spyware themselves.

schestowitz

Ariadne: thanks

DaemonFC[m]

You don't think they write paychecks to people to hand you freeware that's not doing something to make money....

schestowitz

pleroma.site will be back too, seems he's just having issues with some particular instance

schestowitz

[12:26] <href> it ended up failing again (not due to the pleroma.site db but to the mastodon.host one), I managed to split them, re-importing

DaemonFC[m]

"In July 2020, Microsoft Windows Defender began flagging the free version of CCleaner as a "potentially unwanted application", stating that "while the bundled applications themselves are legitimate, bundling of software, especially products from other providers, can result in unexpected software activity that can negatively impact user experiences."[34]"

Dec 20 01:47

*DaemonFC[m] giggles

Dec 20 01:47

DaemonFC[m]

Yeah, because one of the bundled products was Avast antivirus, which shuts off Windows Defender.

Dec 20 01:47

DaemonFC[m]

Windows shuts down Defender if any other antivirus product registers itself on the system.

Dec 20 01:49

DaemonFC[m]

So by doing a drive by download of Avast, it was telling Windows it was taking over, and then once it was the antivirus program, it was collecting your browsing data and other stuff and selling it to advertising companies.

Dec 20 01:50

schestowitz

I've just donated to my diaspora instance

schestowitz

almost forgot to this year....

MinceR

what does that have to do with CCleaner?

schestowitz

I want to make sure they stay online for ages to come

schestowitz

I get lots of comments there, maybe 50,000+ in total

DaemonFC[m]

CCleaner is owned by Avast

DaemonFC[m]

So they put out freeware in order to trick you into downloading their other products without your consent.

Dec 20 01:52

DaemonFC[m]

CCleaner is also spyware.

Dec 20 01:52

DaemonFC[m]

Piriform used to just make small freeware programs that were useful to deal with Windows messes.

Dec 20 01:53

DaemonFC[m]

I used CCleaner and Defraggler because they were portable apps and it could quickly blow away a bunch of junk when I was going over someone's computer trying to figure out what was wrong with it.

DaemonFC[m]

Windows makes a mess everywhere, including leaving gigantic backup files from the last version if you do an upgrade install.

schestowitz

seems like techrights is serving almost 3mb/sec on average in recent days

schestowitz

but the videos are to blame

https://mapopa.blogspot.com/2020/12/firebird-rust-driver-status.html

schestowitz

-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-mapopa.blogspot.com | Mariuz's Blog: Firebird Rust driver status

schestowitz

rust= github

DaemonFC[m]

In theory, you can revert to an older version of Windows, but in fact, it almost never works out and sometimes makes the computer unbootable.

schestowitz

XRevan86 says firebird is also

DaemonFC[m]

So it's not worth the disk space for the backup files.

schestowitz

they sort of hide that

schestowitz

DaemonFC[m]: Windows is legacy system

schestowitz

like PalmOS

schestowitz

give it another 10 years

schestowitz

now they have Vista10x

schestowitz

they don't even call it 11

XRevan86

schestowitz: What I say? Firebird is also…?

schestowitz

seems like they recognise it's the end of the franchise

schestowitz

XRevan86: github

schestowitz

or maybe figosdev told me that

schestowitz

I think it was you though

schestowitz

when I said it was likely NOT in GH

XRevan86

Ah, it's on GitHub, yes.

XRevan86

So are MariaDB and Oracle MySQL

Dec 20 01:57

XRevan86

PostgreSQL is actually not.

Dec 20 01:57

XRevan86

Oracle MySQL is only partially on GitHub though, they're clearly developing it using their own Oracle internal processes.

Dec 20 01:58

XRevan86

And MariaDB uses JIRA for bugtracking.

Dec 20 01:58

MinceR

i don't know which is worse -- shithub or jira

Dec 20 01:59

XRevan86

At least it's a self-hosted JIRA.

Dec 20 01:59

XRevan86

Firebird also has bugtracking disabled on GitHub. I don't know what they use in its stead.

Dec 20 01:59

XRevan86

Got it: JIRA

Dec 20 02:00

schestowitz

the thing is this

schestowitz

some clients of ours use JIRA

schestowitz

bloated and crap

schestowitz

I once installed JIRA on an old home server of mine

schestowitz

but here's the thing

schestowitz

github is a lto worse

schestowitz

because you cannot self-host an instance

schestowitz

in the same way you can with gitlab

XRevan86

schestowitz: There's GitHub Enterprise that can be self-hosted %)

schestowitz

so to bash jira as if it's as bad as github sort of misses the point

schestowitz

hosting is how they make money to fund devs

schestowitz

XRevan86: so for Microsoft "Self-hosted" means PAID

schestowitz

and "Slave mode" is "free"

schestowitz

also, self-hosting github would likely NOT mean access to source code

schestowitz

so some kind of blackbox

XRevan86

pretty much

schestowitz

so you are not TRULY in control

schestowitz

it's missing the point

XRevan86

The source code was leaked, but you know, illegal and stuff.

schestowitz

like, Linux did version tracking since the 90s

schestowitz

github won't last 30 years

schestowitz

yet you might still want to use the system in 2050

schestowitz

if you have the code you can still make it work

schestowitz

tuxmachines still uses drupal 6, which I patch manually

schestowitz

directly on the code

schestowitz

if some new php version breaks things, I might find a away to use old versions anyway, for another decade

schestowitz

the "Open Source" people don't talk about things like this

schestowitz

I don't think FSF does, either

schestowitz

they are happy to encourage people to 'upgrade' even when there's no practical reason to

https://php.net/manual/en/migration80.incompatible.php

XRevan86

schestowitz: Have you prepared for PHP 8 already?

Dec 20 02:14

schestowitz

Dec 20 02:14

schestowitz

what does it break this time?

Dec 20 02:15

XRevan86

misc.

Dec 20 02:15

XRevan86

Dec 20 02:16

-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.php.net | PHP: Backward Incompatible Changes - Manual

Dec 20 02:16

schestowitz

can worry about that later

Dec 20 02:16

schestowitz

what older versions of wordpress won't work with it?

Dec 20 02:17

schestowitz

among the lts releases?

Dec 20 02:17

XRevan86

The changes are actually fairly minor, so updatable releases will probably get patched up.

Dec 20 02:17

XRevan86

But it's up to WordPress, I don't know their process.

Dec 20 02:18

XRevan86

https://make.wordpress.org/core/2020/11/23/wordpress-and-php-8-0/ apparently there are complications for WordPress

Dec 20 02:19

-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-make.wordpress.org | WordPress and PHP 8.0 – Make WordPress Core

Dec 20 02:19

schestowitz

that talks about core

schestowitz

not even many plugins that are widely used

schestowitz

and some are no longer being maintained

schestowitz

there are usually people who keep security patches for old php versions

schestowitz

as long as those are widely used and there's a demand for security-wise support for them

Dec 20 02:22

schestowitz

that's certainly true for drupal6

Dec 20 02:22

schestowitz

some people even make business extending the life of such bits

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Dec 20 02:23

schestowitz

I'm backing up to my PC the wordpress database of TR at the moment

Dec 20 02:23

schestowitz

it's about 6gb in size

Dec 20 02:24

schestowitz

30,000 posts allmost

Dec 20 02:24

schestowitz

*almost

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Dec 20 02:30

DaemonFC[m]

Windows 10 is barely a coat of paint

Dec 20 02:35

DaemonFC[m]

They have all of this appx/Windows Store crap that's kind of salvaged from the Windows 8 disaster and the phone platform that never took off.

Dec 20 02:36

schestowitz

I need to sort out my gnome3 machine

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schestowitz

it keeps having issues

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schestowitz

with mutter I think

schestowitz

maybe attempting dist-upgrade is worthwhile

Dec 20 02:43

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DaemonFC[m]

Mutter was having all sorts of performance problems.

Dec 20 03:12

DaemonFC[m]

And it's Red Hat as upstream again.

Dec 20 03:12

MinceR

there's a shocker

Dec 20 03:13

DaemonFC[m]

schestowitz The push now is to just never release X11 again apart from Xwayland.

Dec 20 03:13

DaemonFC[m]

They want to look off everything that Xwayland doesn't need and just press forward releasing that.

DaemonFC[m]

We're, lop off rather.

DaemonFC[m]

Ughhh, phone.

MinceR

so the third phase of EEE is ongoing against X

schestowitz

it's too stable

Dec 20 03:15

schestowitz

they can't sell support for that

Dec 20 03:15

schestowitz

systemd-waylandd is better

schestowitz

because "ux"

schestowitz

who needs x forwarding (ssh -X) anyway?

schestowitz

just run your flatpak "APPS"

schestowitz

like Microsoft SQL Server

https://www.microsoft.com/en-us/p/bittorrent-torrent-downloader/9nqffd8q559t?activetab=pivot:overviewtab#

DaemonFC[m]

Yeah, Wayland and Mutter are a bigger disaster than the Windows Desktop Window Manager.

Dec 20 03:17

DaemonFC[m]

And that's saying something.

Dec 20 03:17

schestowitz

Red Hat fights the Evil Empire ("Evil Empire"= "community of users" aka "neckbeards")

Dec 20 03:17

DaemonFC[m]

Red Hat wants hard pressure to use something with weird bugs that only they can figure out.

Dec 20 03:18

schestowitz

I am looking at gnome-shell extensions

Dec 20 03:24

schestowitz

e.g. to remove those massive title bars

Dec 20 03:24

schestowitz

it's not easy to accomplish

Dec 20 03:24

*DaemonFC[m] uploaded an image: Screenshot 2020-12-19 212603.png (187KiB) < https://matrix.org/_matrix/media/r0/download/matrix.org/xghATolBjyaPRLZKaXWABpUX/Screenshot 2020-12-19 212603.png >

Dec 20 03:28

DaemonFC[m]

Microsoft Feedback Hub. MAGA!

Dec 20 03:28

MinceR

MUGU

Dec 20 03:31

XRevan86

DaemonFC[m]: I can tell you're a power user, but you still haven't fixed the date format.

Dec 20 03:31

XRevan86

They made it more complicated in Windows 10, the new Settings don't give the proper format as an option for all locales.

Dec 20 03:32

XRevan86

But being authorised with a Microsoft account in Windows blows mind. Not how I imagined DaemonFC's desktop even with the hints that he's using Windows 10.

Dec 20 03:34

XRevan86

And Firefox. I thought Brave for sure.

Dec 20 03:34

DaemonFC[m]

The MAGA Cult has turned the Feedback Hub into Parler.

Dec 20 03:41

DaemonFC[m]

Who knew?

Dec 20 03:41

DaemonFC[m]

XRevan86is making notes for Putin's cyberattack later.

Dec 20 03:42

DaemonFC[m]

What blows my mind is there's still people out there recommending uTorrent.

Dec 20 03:45

DaemonFC[m]

Even with what they know it's become.

Dec 20 03:45

DaemonFC[m]

I always change the date format to this one in Linux.

Dec 20 03:48

DaemonFC[m]

"What the hell kind of driving in the left lane bullshit is this?"

Dec 20 03:48

DaemonFC[m]

The reaction to those Windows 10 S devices was a big disaster for Microsoft.

Dec 20 03:53

DaemonFC[m]

Even with the restrictions, it's not like those make it some fast and light version of Windows or something. Everything is still there, you just can't install applications that use Win32 API from outside the store, but "Desktop Bridge" apps use it and so it's still there.

Dec 20 03:54

DaemonFC[m]

There's absolutely no upside to getting Desktop Bridge apps vs the classic apps, except that the store will push updates to it.

Dec 20 03:54

DaemonFC[m]

The Desktop Bridge version of VLC can't even play DVDs or Blu Ray discs.

Dec 20 03:54

DaemonFC[m]

-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Get BitTorrent - Torrent Downloader - Microsoft Store

DaemonFC[m]

Posts screenshots of the app pirating things

DaemonFC[m]

SNEAK 100

https://edition.cnn.com/2020/12/18/tech/cyberpunk-2077-sony-playstation-store-scli-intl/index.html

DaemonFC[m]

schestowitz: That guy who runs ToastyTech says he's about ready to give up and try some Linux distributions.

Dec 20 04:10

DaemonFC[m]

On his rants page.

Dec 20 04:10

DaemonFC[m]

The things he was going through to keep Windows 95 around forever was kind of making me wonder about him.

Dec 20 04:10

DaemonFC[m]

Someone repacked Cyberpunk 2077, which is so broken that all the stores are making an exception to their return policy because everyone says they got cheated.

Dec 20 04:13

DaemonFC[m]

Nothing but bugs. Runs like shit. Etc.

Dec 20 04:13

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Dec 20 04:14

DaemonFC[m]

Then there's someone repacking Red Dead Redemption 2 for Linux with a bundled copy of a blinged out Wine.

Dec 20 04:14

DaemonFC[m]

Fallout 4 with all the DLCs.

Dec 20 04:21

DaemonFC[m]

Oh yeah, the PS4 version I played was just the base game.

Dec 20 04:21

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Dec 20 06:12

DaemonFC[m]

Dec 20 06:12

-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-edition.cnn.com | Cyberpunk 2077: Sony pulls game from PlayStation Store - CNN

Dec 20 06:12

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Dec 20 06:16

scientes

what is wrong with firefox?

Dec 20 06:23

CrystalMath

scientes: the stupid trademark thing

CrystalMath

it infringes on freedom #3

scientes

just remove the trademark

scientes

it is easy

scientes

trademark really has nothing to do with your freedoms

CrystalMath

okay but then don't praise firefox :P

scientes

trademarks are all about false advertising

CrystalMath

praise icecat

CrystalMath

or whatever

scientes

no it still is firefox

CrystalMath

just don't mention that horrible thing

CrystalMath

every fork of firefox is good, but firefox sucks :P

scientes

Mozilla's concern is not theoretical

scientes

exactly

scientes

Firefox has a long history of ad-ware that attaches itsself to it

scientes

so their concerns are justified

https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1646819

scientes

as AFAIK brave does the same bullshit

Dec 20 06:27

scientes

(I have never used it)

Dec 20 06:27

CrystalMath

Gnuzilla IceCat is still better :P

Dec 20 06:31

DaemonFC[m]

The streaming platforms have gotten so bad that Cyperpunk 2077 has to have a Disable Copyrighted Music feature to keep Youtube channels from being demonetized.

Dec 20 06:55

CrystalMath

yep

Dec 20 07:02

CrystalMath

but maybe games should use music composed for the game specifically

Dec 20 07:02

CrystalMath

after all, it's supposed to be art, not more pop culture

Dec 20 07:02

schestowitz

DaemonFC[m]: https://www.theverge.com/2020/12/19/22190767/twitter-joe-biden-winner-election-trump-tweets

Dec 20 07:05

-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.theverge.com | Twitter is publicly declaring Joe Biden the winner of the US election — on Trump’s own tweets - The Verge

Dec 20 07:05

schestowitz

Poor Carl

Dec 20 07:05

search_social

this is why i advise you to consider why twitter considers itself allied so strongly against trump

Dec 20 07:33

schestowitz

Biden

Dec 20 07:37

schestowitz

sucking up to next Pres/

Dec 20 07:37

schestowitz

They sucked up to Trump when he was in Office

Dec 20 07:37

search_social

good idea

Dec 20 07:40

DaemonFC[m]

Dec 20 07:52

-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-bugzilla.mozilla.org | 1646819 - Investigate whether the Windows 10 2004 SegmentHeap feature is useful to Firefox

Dec 20 07:52

DaemonFC[m]

Apparently this is a thing. I noticed that Edge uses much less memory than Firefox.

Dec 20 07:52

DaemonFC[m]

Started investigating why. It seems that Firefox's memory allocator isn't taking advantage of SegmentHeap in Windows 10. It was added in 20H1 and so far it looks like Edge is the only browser using it. It got memory consumption down by 27% on average according to Microsoft, more according to a ZDNet article.

Dec 20 07:53

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Dec 20 08:08

vZS1

stable = "abandonware"

Dec 20 08:19

vZS1

According to the propaganda

Dec 20 08:19

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Dec 20 08:27

schestowitz

very abandonware genius!

Dec 20 08:27

schestowitz

DaemonFC[m]: they used the same tactics to make Office look 'light' and 'fast'

schestowitz

esp. to start

schestowitz

they cheat

schestowitz

they basically outsource the RAM usage elsewhere

schestowitz

to fool benchmark

schestowitz

and you pay for Office startup with CPU cycles when you boot the PC

schestowitz

But Microsoft is full of frauds, so you come to expect those things

schestowitz

the "third party" companies should abandon Windows and/or sue Microsoft

schestowitz

it's technical sabotage for monopoly reasons

scientes

oh god

Dec 20 08:32

scientes

you remember me of when I ran windows ages ago, and every company included a "hot load" applet so that they program would appear to be light, by ALWAYS using your ram

Dec 20 08:33

scientes

and they just didn't give a damn either, like the lightweight pdf reader uses like 5mb of ram, but adobe uses like 5gb

Dec 20 08:34

vZS1

I'm happiest about my code which I haven't touched for years. It means I got it right. But this is the opposite of what a business like red hat desires; their business model won't work because they rely on things breaking all the time.

Dec 20 08:35

vZS1

And red hat relies on monopoly to remain in business

scientes

oh geeze

schestowitz

now more people will move to debian base

scientes

under ever rock lurks a politician

schestowitz

for servers and desktops

scientes

Red Hat does great things

scientes

they are the only people developing GNOME

schestowitz

they abanodoned kde

scientes

GNOME is better

schestowitz

they used the IBM news to bury the news under a bus

scientes

mainly because of Red Hat

schestowitz

I liked the old GNOME better

schestowitz

they model it after the wrong thing

schestowitz

for users that don't seem to exist

scientes

nah, it is the only DE to use the hot corners right

scientes

and it also works on mobile

vZS1

I like KDE because of it's focus on ease of use

scientes

it is the first interface to have a chance on mobile

scientes

phosh

schestowitz

last night I attempted to customise my gnome3 PC

schestowitz

it's really NOT easy

vZS1

I don't use it myself but it's good

scientes

but nobody has time for customization

schestowitz

they made it harder to do things that used to be easy and built in with old gnome

https://wiki.postmarketos.org/wiki/Phosh

scientes

-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-wiki.postmarketos.org | Phosh - postmarketOS

schestowitz

hence we have mate and cinnamon

scientes

but both of those stuck

scientes

*suck

schestowitz

they have many users

scientes

I can't say I agree with all the choices, but GNOME is the only interace that doesn't waste your time

schestowitz

so users don't agree

scientes

but those are ricers

schestowitz

those are real people

schestowitz

not ricers

schestowitz

gentoo users are ricers

scientes

my main complaint is that it requires OpenGL

schestowitz

mate is easy to use

scientes

but otherwise I find it is the only interface that doesn't waste my time

Dec 20 08:40

scientes

I *like* that they reduce the available features

Dec 20 08:40

kingoffrance

"nobody has time" "doesnt waste my time" "but those are ricers" none of these are technical arguments (i know he has me on ignore) these are all ad hominems

Dec 20 08:40

kingoffrance

or, being charitable, works for my use case

Dec 20 08:42

schestowitz

I used gnome for the first time in 2000

Dec 20 08:42

schestowitz

it had some decent features by then

Dec 20 08:42

schestowitz

now it cannot do some of the things it did back then

Dec 20 08:43

schestowitz

you can maybe add those manually, but it requites technical skills

Dec 20 08:43

schestowitz

so by trying to make things "easier" for the mythical "dumb" users they leave some users having to hunt gunzipped/tarred files, then plug things together

schestowitz

which might even end up breaking the while shebang

schestowitz

and carries security risks (downloads of files from the Web)

schestowitz

at least KDE doesn't have this 'shell extensions' thing... closest thing to it is widgets/plasmoids

vZS1

What's a "ricer"?

schestowitz

look that up, it's slang

search_social

i3-wm :)

schestowitz

arch users can called that

schestowitz

prior to that gentoo

schestowitz

I don't suppose many people still use gentoo

vZS1

Gentoo is not supposed to be a user-friendly system. That's not the goal.

Dec 20 08:49

vZS1

It's meant for performance benefits by fine-tuning

Dec 20 08:49

vZS1

So criticising Gentoo for being hard to use kind of misses the point

Dec 20 08:50

schestowitz

it's also meant to be highly customisable

Dec 20 08:51

schestowitz

performance is one thing

Dec 20 08:51

schestowitz

changing behaviour, then compiling again is antoher

schestowitz

for your favourite little patches and scratches

schestowitz

gentoo is a large system you control down to code level

schestowitz

before or after compiling it for your use

schestowitz

you don't even need to be a coder

schestowitz

you can just slip in some patches you found somewhere, e.g. to force compatibility with some old piece of software of yours

Dec 20 08:53

schestowitz

suppressed fact: chromeos is based on gentoo

Dec 20 08:53

schestowitz

personal story: last year I wanted to change KDE behaviour and could only do that by changing code

schestowitz

I wanted to stop the mouse pointer vanishing while I type, e.g. in kate

schestowitz

the only way to achieve that was to remove some lines in code of kate

schestowitz

in debian you'd struggle to rebuild things just to make code rather than settings work for you

kingoffrance

interesting, i shouldnt talk about desktops since i rarely use them, but there is separate unclutter util for x to vanish pointer

Dec 20 08:56

kingoffrance

i guess, IMO in the long run customizing can be worth more time if it saves you hassle later

Dec 20 08:56

kingoffrance

"how long it takes to set up" is not the whole "time" story

vZS1

I don't use DEs either. I've been using awesome wm for a good while now

kingoffrance

"how many annoying things it prevents later" is also a factor

kingoffrance

"how long it takes to set up" is like saying i got a loan in 5 minutes

vZS1

ricing seems to be about cosmetics

kingoffrance

vZS1

None of my systems have anything to do with cosmetics

vZS1

I don't even change the tmux cosmetics

vZS1

But I've got loads of tables for it

scientes

<vZS1> Gentoo is not supposed to be a user-friendly system. That's not the goal.

scientes

<vZS1> It's meant for performance benefits by fine-tuning

scientes

<vZS1> So criticising Gentoo for being hard to use kind of misses the point

scientes

another ricer

scientes

you don't know anything about CPU performance

scientes

I end up closing lots of bugs from gentoo users

vZS1

I only change graphical things when they serve a fictional purpose

scientes

because they are generally low quality reports

Dec 20 09:00

vZS1

functional*

Dec 20 09:00

*scientes liked fictional better :)

Dec 20 09:00

kingoffrance

performance is not just cpu performance

kingoffrance

some ppl just dont like gobs of dependencies they dont use

kingoffrance

complication

kingoffrance

more things that can break

vZS1

Unnecessary complexity

kingoffrance

kingoffrance

theres reasons to compie that have nothing to do with performance

Dec 20 09:02

kingoffrance

*compile

Dec 20 09:02

kingoffrance

either to enable or disable non-default (from package or upstream) features

Dec 20 09:02

vZS1

Like the KDE pointer thing Roy mentioned

Dec 20 09:03

kingoffrance

yup lol

Dec 20 09:03

kingoffrance

as long as theres c and c++ and things arent interpret-ish this will remain

Dec 20 09:04

kingoffrance

i guess i should stop commenting on scientes but man we are so far apart lol

Dec 20 09:05

vZS1

Plenty

vZS1

IanJ

You can consume many hours of your life tweaking how your desktop looks and functions on linux/bsd systems.

vZS1

Haskell

vZS1

Rust

IanJ

I used my desktop largely unchanged for a long time but I recentnly took the time to theme the bits I use.

vZS1

Most of my tweaks are for tmux

vZS1

The goal is to save time

IanJ

It took me around 3 days of tweaking to get it to a point I'm fairly happy. A lot of that is down to there not being a common way to change the colors of the different applications.

IanJ

I colored my tmux bar.

IanJ

Do you use lynx?

vZS1

Nope

https://82.46.16.105/screenshot.png

vZS1

I like how easy it is to script tmux

Dec 20 09:10

vZS1

I can control the buffers right in my login shell

Dec 20 09:10

IanJ

tmux is a really neat. I use it a lot but I have never scripted it. I have a bit of script in my bashrc to reconnect to any existing tmux session when I login or start a new one. Most stuff I run in tmux even on my desktop.

Dec 20 09:11

vZS1

It's portable too

Dec 20 09:12

IanJ

All good things :)

Dec 20 09:12

vZS1

I've used it on BSD without modifying any of my repos for it

Dec 20 09:13

IanJ

Dec 20 09:13

IanJ

That's my current setup.

Dec 20 09:14

IanJ

Trying to get color consistency between programs was a pita as even using .Xresources to set the colours they all use them in different ways so you endup having to do a lot of it for each program.

Dec 20 09:16

IanJ

It's the first time in about 30 years I bothered to do it :D

Dec 20 09:17

IanJ

But now it's done I won't touch it again probably. I have my .files to use on any new setup.

Dec 20 09:18

IanJ

To me the orange signifies what's active.

Dec 20 09:19

vZS1

Fancy

Dec 20 09:20

vZS1

I've got an austere setup but it works

Dec 20 09:20

IanJ

Function over form is definitely the right way to go.

Dec 20 09:21

IanJ

Theming is one big rabbit hole :)

Dec 20 09:21

IanJ

There's a general trend with items we buy and software we use to reduce it's useful life span. Much of the hardware we use, the life span is determined by the battery (largely not end user replaceable these days) or the stopping of support for key applycations.

Dec 20 09:31

search_social

boycotting DNS i see, based

Dec 20 09:33

IanJ

Choosing open source software at least you have an option to jump off that consumer conveyor belt. But there's not much in the way of hardware...

Dec 20 09:33

IanJ

boycotting DNS? How do you then resolve names to IP's?

Dec 20 09:34

search_social

i mean you linked a raw ip

search_social

with no domain name

IanJ

I did, I have no name :P

IanJ

This is my home pc and I don't have any name pointed to it. :D

IanJ

But it's a novel idea... It's another way organizations know what sites you visit.

Dec 20 09:36

schestowitz

[09:08] <IanJ> It took me around 3 days of tweaking to get it to a point I'm fairly happy. A lot of that is down to there not being a common way to change the colors of the different applications.

schestowitz

3 days for a PC you use for 300 days is not much

schestowitz

let alone 900 days

IanJ

schestowitz: that's true :)

schestowitz

I spent AAAAGGGESS setting up my physical stuff here, moving monitors around and chair etc. for MONTHS

IanJ

Some things are worthy of investment if you're going to get a lot of mileage out of them.

schestowitz

maybe an hour per week for 4 months

search_social

IanJ: you can use https://0x0.st/ also to share files

-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-0x0.st | NO TITLE

schestowitz

one hour when you do 100 per week on a PC is a mere 1%

schestowitz

ergonomics can prevent back aches that can potentially 'paralyse' your workflow and cause pain

IanJ

I have an unusual setup here.

IanJ

I have no desk, an ikea poang chair and my monitor on an arm attached to a bookcase next to me.

schestowitz

[09:13] <IanJ> https://82.46.16.105/screenshot.png

schestowitz

nice to meet a gopher-er

IanJ

I use an ibm trackpoint keyboard so it just sits on my lap.

IanJ

IanJ

That's why I asked about lynx, my first link would have been gopher :D

schestowitz

[09:39] <IanJ> Some things are worthy of investment if you're going to get a lot of mileage out of them.

schestowitz

They have a term for this now

schestowitz

"technical debt"

schestowitz

yesterday we bought two feet warmers in primark

schestowitz

2 for 10 pounds total

schestowitz

to avoid the winter 'cold feet'

IanJ

Nice :)

schestowitz

you fill them up with boiling water

schestowitz

they lost like 6 hours

IanJ

Like a hot waterbottle for your feet. Neat idea.

schestowitz

one is covered with panda-like doll thing, the other is faux fur

IanJ

haha

schestowitz

no, rubber bag with water

schestowitz

I forgot what those are called

schestowitz

they're more energy efficient than radiators

IanJ

Hot water bottle! We used them years ago, before electric blankets were a thing.

schestowitz

ah, ok

schestowitz

when kids, we'd use them when getting the cold or flu

schestowitz

along with tea

IanJ

Just have to make sure you buy quality ones, you don't want them leaking in your bed :D

schestowitz

have not used them in like 30 years

IanJ

There are many old awesome inventions that people rarely use these days due to techology and electricity powering everything.

schestowitz

yes, exactly

IanJ

Same as basic things like razors.

schestowitz

can't wait for "smart" ones

schestowitz

that connect to your wifi

IanJ

I hate all that stuff.

IanJ

To me a smart home is devoid of electricity gobling gadgets that spy on you.

schestowitz

to send the temperature readings to somewherenearyou.amazon.com

schestowitz

then you can log in to a portal

schestowitz

and "share on facebook" some graph

schestowitz

showing people what times of the day you do something

gopher://82.46.16.105/0/phlog/Money-saving-and-minimalism/Safety-Razor.md

IanJ

Dec 20 09:47

IanJ

Lol

Dec 20 09:47

IanJ

Craziness is spending half your life telling others how great it is and trying to convince them and you that it is great. :D

IanJ

I never had a facebook account and swore I never would.

schestowitz

what program for kde does gopher well? "Could not find any application or handler for gopher://82.46.16.105/0/phlog/Money-saving-and-minimalism/Safety-Razor.md "

IanJ

oh, lynx

IanJ

lynx is commandline

Dec 20 09:51

IanJ

I could copy the article to https if you prefer?

Dec 20 09:51

schestowitz

no, it's ok

schestowitz

I just checked 4 machines of mine

schestowitz

to see if they have lynx

schestowitz

I don't want to install it just for one page

https://82.46.16.105/Safety-Razor.txt

IanJ

it's useful if you want to visit gopher sites.

Dec 20 09:53

schestowitz

rarely happens

Dec 20 09:53

IanJ

it's also very small.

Dec 20 09:53

IanJ

Dec 20 09:54

search_social

how do you find good gopher sites

Dec 20 09:54

IanJ

You can use veronica2 search engine, or floodgap

Dec 20 09:55

IanJ

Let me find you a gopher proxy.

Dec 20 09:55

IanJ

https://gopher.floodgap.com/gopher/

Dec 20 09:56

-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-gopher.floodgap.com | Public Gopher Proxy @ Floodgap.com: Access Gopher Sites from Your Browser

Dec 20 09:56

IanJ

https://gopher.floodgap.com/gopher/gw

Dec 20 09:57

-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights- ( status 200 @ https://gopher.floodgap.com/gopher/gw )

Dec 20 09:57

IanJ

The gw is probably where to start :)

Dec 20 09:57

search_social

thanks

Dec 20 09:58

IanJ

From there you can search using veronica2

Dec 20 09:58

IanJ

It gives you full access to gopherspace via your normal browser.

Dec 20 09:58

IanJ

That's one thing that I do find lacking however. A good search engine as it relies on indexing document names only.

Dec 20 10:02

IanJ

But how do you collect meta data on plain text documents that largerly have no formatting...

Dec 20 10:02

IanJ

I thought about that as a bit of a pet project.

Dec 20 10:03

IanJ

I could call it gobble :P

Dec 20 10:04

IanJ

and slowly take over the world *evil laugh*

Dec 20 10:05

vZS1

I use ipfs to share files

Dec 20 10:06

IanJ

That's basically what gopher was designed for.

Dec 20 10:06

IanJ

file system structure on the network

Dec 20 10:07

vZS1

I like IPFS because it's like BitTorrent

Dec 20 10:07

IanJ

That's cool

vZS1

P2P is nice for redundancy

vZS1

One system goes down? No problem.

IanJ

If there are multiple peers then yes, it's cool.

IanJ

Decentralised is definitely the way things need to go, but those who want to control want the opposite.

schestowitz

sometimes publishers want control to

schestowitz

*too

schestowitz

either over their own stuff

schestowitz

like deleting ipfs objects

https://assets.amuniversal.com/6d4dff60dc8d0137ca81005056a9545d ( https://dilbert.com/strip/2019-11-14 )

schestowitz

or others' copies of it, even if fair use

Dec 20 10:10

schestowitz

it poses a threat to their business models

Dec 20 10:10

vZS1

Architectures all have a purpose. The right one depends on the use case

Dec 20 10:11

vZS1

Sometimes you want only one central node

Dec 20 10:11

IanJ

Once you put something up on torrent though, if someone copies it then you have no control over that other persons copy, which then gets copied etc.

Dec 20 10:12

vZS1

That's pretty clear from the outset

Dec 20 10:13

IanJ

My isp blocks torrent search engines.

Dec 20 10:13

vZS1

You can use encrypted proxies

Dec 20 10:14

vZS1

Tor is one example

Dec 20 10:14

vZS1

My ISP blocks loads of things

Dec 20 10:15

vZS1

But I still get around all of them

Dec 20 10:15

vZS1

Then again, I'm a security person so it's a bit difficult for them. Lol

Dec 20 10:16

vZS1

In a way, the bloat of the web is good for internet users

Dec 20 10:17

vZS1

When you have encrypted traffic they can't just block everything

Dec 20 10:17

vZS1

Because people consume so much data anyway

Dec 20 10:18

vZS1

There's a ton of noise

Dec 20 10:18

vZS1

Pile encryption on top of that and you see how difficult it is for them to enforce traffic shaping

Dec 20 10:18

IanJ

The way my isp do it is quite lame, if I change dns provider I see the search engine sites again.

Dec 20 10:20

vZS1

Their "deep packet inspection" is just more snake oil

Dec 20 10:20

vZS1

Yeah. Most home routers are configured to use the ISPs DNS servers. That's how they filter traffic

Dec 20 10:22

vZS1

ISP's*

Dec 20 10:22

vZS1

The nice thing about IPFS is you don't need to worry about port forwarding. So even if you have a really brittle router (no automation), you can use stuff like IPNS to still make dynamic systems.

Dec 20 10:25

vZS1

IPNS is like Tor. You generate an asymmetric encryption key pair and make the public key point to an IPFS object. The pointer is called an IPNS object. Similar to how you'd create an onion service for Tor.

Dec 20 10:27

vZS1

So you can just update the pointer when you change the underlying objects. That gives you mutability.

Dec 20 10:29

vZS1

BitTorrent lacks this functionality

Dec 20 10:31

vZS1

IPFS also uses something called multihash which is a data structure that contains hash metadata. So you can update hash algorithms when they need to change

Dec 20 10:32

vZS1

Git, BitTorrent, etc are all built with a hard-coded hash algorithm SHA-1

Dec 20 10:33

vZS1

Now they're realising how painful it is to have assumptions like that built into the core design

Dec 20 10:33

IanJ

Interesting, I'll have to take a look. I never heard of it before you mentioned it.

Dec 20 10:37

vZS1

Yeah. It's pretty neat

Dec 20 10:37

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Dec 20 11:00

scientes

XRevan86, the most bizaare part of the Koran is how it constantly references itsself, "We made the Koran easy to remember", or "They keep repeating the opening verses of the Koran" et cetera

Dec 20 11:07

scientes

or "This book contains ambiguities, which you shouldn't try to interpret"

Dec 20 11:08

scientes

it makes it a form of mind control

Dec 20 11:08

scientes

certainly circular logic

Dec 20 11:09

scientes

more of the same in Tbilisi https://oc-media.org/tbilisi-mayor-poses-with-aprika-residents-after-demolishing-squatter-settlement/

Dec 20 11:12

-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-oc-media.org | Tbilisi Mayor poses with Aprika residents after demolishing squatter settlement

Dec 20 11:12

scientes

like how they got the refugees from Abkhazia to move by turning off the power and water

Dec 20 11:12

scientes

from the very buildings they had told them to live in

Dec 20 11:13

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scientes

and the buses stopped running again

Dec 20 11:14

scientes

I still don't get how they removed everything from the train station

Dec 20 11:14

scientes

while about a year ago Russia made toilets free in train stations with long-distance trains

Dec 20 11:15

scientes

when I saw that it made me cheer up a little

Dec 20 11:15

MinceR

(cat) (no audio) https://vid.pr0gramm.com/2020/11/22/ac352520a86f0641.mp4

Dec 20 11:20

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Dec 20 11:27

search_social

"This book contains ambiguities, which you shouldn't try to interpret"

Dec 20 11:44

search_social

that narrows it down

Dec 20 11:45

MinceR

Dec 20 11:58

MinceR

Dec 20 12:05

-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Attending A Funeral - Dilbert Comic Strip on 2019-11-14 | Dilbert by Scott Adams

Dec 20 12:05

scientes

MinceR, that is no house cat

Dec 20 12:24

MinceR

indeed

Dec 20 12:24

scientes

"it's not my own funeral"

scientes

oh god, that is horrible

scientes

uggh

scientes

i really do not want to install docker

scientes

I am tired of endlessly growing complexity

Dec 20 12:26

scientes

every project has its own insane build system

Dec 20 12:26

scientes

I am also hoping to switch to Ubuntu to Debian

Dec 20 12:35

scientes

but that is a PITA to do

Dec 20 12:35

scientes

just because I am tired of being dragged along on this snap fail-wagon

Dec 20 12:35

IanJ

I recently switched to devuan from debian after many years of use.

Dec 20 12:38

IanJ

The whole systemd thing started to become a moral issue to me so I chose something I could feel happier about whilst still being familiar.

Dec 20 12:40

MinceR

i have a devuan stratum in most of my bedrock systems :>

Dec 20 12:42

IanJ

I'm running Beowulf here

Dec 20 12:42

scientes

IanJ, do you consider youself a little-Endian or big-Endian?

Dec 20 12:42

scientes

speaking or serious moral issues

Dec 20 12:43

IanJ

I don't feel we know eathother well enough to be talking about my endian :P

Dec 20 12:43

IanJ

I guess you could say I'm bi-endian. I have intel+amd (both little-endian) and also more interesting stuff like powerpc (bi-endian) and MIPS hardware (big-endian).

Dec 20 13:08

IanJ

Is that what you were asking?

Dec 20 13:08

IanJ

The old sgi rarely gets fired up these days though. 10mbit networking feels like using dialup these days...

Dec 20 13:10

IanJ

Oh, the MIPS is bi-endian too aparently.

Dec 20 13:12

IanJ

I wonder what microsofts new processor architecture will be.

Dec 20 13:16

scientes

IanJ, you think Microsoft has the resources to develop a processor architecutre

scientes

Hah!

scientes

they might pretend to

scientes

like they pretend to do many things

IanJ

Qualcomm

https://www.microsoft.com/en-us/surface/business/surface-pro-x/processor

IanJ

-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-The SQ1™ Processor in Surface Pro X – Microsoft Surface for Business

IanJ

ARM 64

https://assets.amuniversal.com/e9db1550e8240137cece005056a9545d ( https://dilbert.com/strip/2019-12-22 )

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Dec 20 13:20

IanJ

Microsoft never invent anything. They buy companies or use their services and steal their ideas.

Dec 20 13:20

IanJ

I like the small print disclaimer at the bottom that informs people 64bit appliations that haven't been ported to ARM64 won't install.

Dec 20 13:24

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MinceR

Dec 20 14:26

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Dec 20 14:32

IanJ

Anyone here had any experience with yubikeys or have an opinion on them?

Dec 20 14:35

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Dec 20 14:37

MinceR

https://assets.amuniversal.com/ea833f904ac60138f105005056a9545d ( https://dilbert.com/strip/2020-04-01 )

Dec 20 14:52

-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Goggles Remove Humans - Dilbert Comic Strip on 2020-04-01 | Dilbert by Scott Adams

Dec 20 14:52

scientes

IanJ, 10X the price they should be, and they don't even store keys for you, so they are basically just slavery devices--security for them, and no security for you

Dec 20 15:03

scientes

MinceR, https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OsG0P2jjYnI

Dec 20 15:04

-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Value Select's Seeing Eye Knife - YouTube

Dec 20 15:04

IanJ

scientes: I agree re the price, it is extortionate. But I saw they were programable to use as a normal password keeper so you can use them for auto login on your pc or for use with a password manager.

Dec 20 15:11

scientes

IanJ, https://www.crowdsupply.com/solokeys/somu

Dec 20 15:12

-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.crowdsupply.com | Somu | Crowd Supply

Dec 20 15:12

scientes

that is at least free software (+ hardware!)

Dec 20 15:12

MinceR

don't they rely on a third party which could betray you?

Dec 20 15:14

scientes

MinceR, yeah but that is the very design of those things

Dec 20 15:15

scientes

to not empower you at all, because they can't actually store secondary keys for you

Dec 20 15:15

scientes

basically Google was already doing this

scientes

and they thought, Hey! Lets get them to pay for it, fucking idiots!

scientes

for their serfs

IanJ

scientes: nice link, thanks

scientes

which can be evidenced by how they didn't really care if it works with openssh

scientes

or pam

scientes

or really anything else besides corporate serfdom shit

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pfVhAtJt5_o

IanJ

-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Setting up the YubiKey on Ubuntu (Desktop and Server) - YouTube

scientes

yeah but its totally half-assed--notice the lack of a proper error message https://youtu.be/pfVhAtJt5_o?t=427 --- and didn't work at all with the first generation of keys

-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Setting up the YubiKey on Ubuntu (Desktop and Server) - YouTube

scientes

because they are not keys

scientes

they are slavery devices

scientes

where only logging into the mainframe was really considered

Dec 20 15:19

scientes

because they come from what these companies were already forcing their <s>employees</s> serfs to do

Dec 20 15:19

scientes

like fingerpintd actually works pretty well

scientes

but this is all half-assed'

IanJ

I figure it's a lesser evil than having your phone and sms used for secondary authentication.

scientes

IanJ, I thought like you until I actually got one

scientes

and then I realized I had been fooled

scientes

IanJ, no, you don't get it

MinceR

what did you find out?

scientes

it is possible for them to prove that you have the device

scientes

but for the first-generation it is useless for offline authentication

IanJ

I wouldn't be interested in that. I would want to use it offline and not have to type in passwords.

scientes

because those ones don't store secondary keys---they only use a special-sause (FIDO2) authentication method

scientes

IanJ, get fingerprint reader

scientes

not very secure, but that is really all you get for physical attacks

Dec 20 15:23

scientes

because of the cold boot attack

Dec 20 15:23

IanJ

It's very scary and very paranoia inducing if you really start to think about any of it. How your phone is effectively a 'slavery device' as you call it.

Dec 20 15:24

MinceR

special sauce doesn't sound secure to me

Dec 20 15:24

scientes

if you have a google android device that is exactly what it is

scientes

and that is exactly what they consider it

IanJ

Yeah, unfortunately I do :(

scientes

which is why they have all those COVID-19 apps

IanJ

I'd still be using an old nokia if it weren't for whatsapp dropping support for s60.

scientes

MinceR, it is defined (FIDO2) but it is kinda like OpenID---looks slick until you look into it

MinceR

Dec 20 15:26

scientes

OpenID still has its uses

Dec 20 15:26

scientes

but what happened is that everyone stopped taking it

Dec 20 15:26

IanJ

Effectively all I want is a little widget that I can program with a password without any third party involvment so I can plug it in and press the button to login or use for secondary auth on my VPS.

Dec 20 15:28

IanJ

Passwords are generally the weak link because people use stuff they can remember and type easily. If you create a way of storing better passwords on a device that has to be present I think that's much better.

Dec 20 15:29

IanJ

or worse you hide secure passwords all in one place behind a weaker password you can remember.

Dec 20 15:31

IanJ

I actually wish I never bought any of my android devices.

Dec 20 15:32

IanJ

One of them has become unusable because the third party that originally sold them took down a server somewhere and it can't call home anymore so I can't go though the setup process.

Dec 20 15:34

IanJ

One just randomly stopped working after the warranty was up.

Dec 20 15:34

IanJ

My tablet I still use for general surfing but it's actually killing my eyes to use these days and I'm resenting google a lot these days so I find myself using it less and less.

Dec 20 15:35

IanJ

Then there's my moto phone which I got effectively so I could just continue to use whatsapp.

Dec 20 15:35

IanJ

I think a usable linux phone is still some way off unfortunaely.

Dec 20 15:37

scientes

I got the pinephone right here

Dec 20 15:44

scientes

and also, android runs linux

Dec 20 15:44

scientes

that is a fact

Dec 20 15:44

MinceR

(cat) (audio) https://vid.pr0gramm.com/2020/11/22/5fd58c1be5edc489.mp4

Dec 20 15:46

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Dec 20 15:53

DaemonFC[m]

I figured that Microsoft was either sweeping Edge's real memory use under the carpet or using some undocumented API in Windows.

Dec 20 15:58

DaemonFC[m]

But it turns out that Windows was just really bad at managing heap allocation until the May release of Windows 10. And if you are using an older program it may just still be using that older allocation method that wastes a bunch of RAM.

Dec 20 15:59

DaemonFC[m]

Firefox and Chrome just aren't using the new allocation method and Edge does, so it's quite often using a third to a half less RAM than other browsers on Windows.

Dec 20 16:00

DaemonFC[m]

It's kind of embarrassing that Google and Mozilla aren't moving on this as an opportunity to shrink their browser footprint.

Dec 20 16:01

DaemonFC[m]

Google put it in and then backed it out because it made Chrome slightly slower on benchmarks.

Dec 20 16:01

MinceR

it's windows, so nobody cares

XRevan86

MinceR: DaemonFC cares.

DaemonFC[m]

It's all about benchmark numbers apparently and we won't worry that it's using another 600 MB of RAM when the user opens the task manager.

MinceR

XRevan86: if he cared, he wouldn't be using windows

DaemonFC[m]

Well, you know, Mozilla should care.

DaemonFC[m]

But it doesn't seem like they do care. Firefox is trying to sell me a VPN now.

Dec 20 16:03

DaemonFC[m]

It seems to be a piece of adware that can also browse the web.

Dec 20 16:03

XRevan86

DaemonFC[m]: I have no doubts this will be upstreamed to Chromium.

Dec 20 16:05

XRevan86

https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1646819 here's a related bmo

Dec 20 16:06

-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-bugzilla.mozilla.org | 1646819 - Investigate whether the Windows 10 2004 SegmentHeap feature is useful to Firefox

Dec 20 16:06

*XRevan86 read the last comment.

Dec 20 16:07

XRevan86

O.K., now I have doubts about it being upstreamed to Chromium.

Dec 20 16:07

XRevan86

DaemonFC[m]: You're so quick to judge, but turns out things aren't so simple.

Dec 20 16:09

MinceR

mozilla stopped caring long ago

Dec 20 16:10

XRevan86

If there's a low hanging fruit that Mozilla can pick that will instantly improve Firefox's performance, they'd sure pick it up/';

Dec 20 16:10

DaemonFC[m]

It does seem pretty low hanging to me.

Dec 20 16:23

DaemonFC[m]

But the way Google sees it, it's more often that articles about how fast Chrome runs through benchmarks and a 2 or 3% slowdown on a benchmark that nobody cares about could cost it first place even though the reviewer is unlikely to talk about it using a third more memory than Edge.

Dec 20 16:24

DaemonFC[m]

So Microsoft chose to get the memory usage under control and Google chose benchmarks that nobody will notice at the cost of degrading the OS and other applications on the computer. Same thing they always do.

Dec 20 16:25

DaemonFC[m]

It seems to me that the only platform where Google tries to do anything to promote good battery life and overall performance is Chrome OS.

Dec 20 16:26

DaemonFC[m]

Microsoft has an incentive to try to put Edge on a diet because they're trying to position laptops with 4 GB of RAM as Windows S and competition for Chromebooks.

Dec 20 16:27

DaemonFC[m]

So Google's position is pretty nakedly all about getting first place on benchmarks even at the expense of the system.

Dec 20 16:28

DaemonFC[m]

Mozilla isn't using a build bot host for Windows that supports building Firefox like this, yet.

Dec 20 16:29

DaemonFC[m]

I found a way to get videos to stop autoplaying in Chromium browsers.

Dec 20 16:33

DaemonFC[m]

NoScript can be set to disable media elements only and it has Youtube on the whitelist.

Dec 20 16:33

DaemonFC[m]

Kind of sad you have to resort to an extension to do something so simple.

Dec 20 16:34

XRevan86

> it is important to note that the "100% overhead" which it avoids is only that extreme on high core-count machines

Dec 20 16:34

DaemonFC[m]

At 8 threads, the overhead in Firefox is already pretty severe.

Dec 20 16:35

XRevan86

DaemonFC[m]: Have you noticed concerns that this also harms battery life?

Dec 20 16:39

DaemonFC[m]

I haven't seen anyone mention that.

https://edition.cnn.com/2020/12/17/success/landlords-struggling-rent-eviction/index.html

DaemonFC[m]

-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-edition.cnn.com | It's not just renters. Landlords are struggling, too - CNN

https://bugs.chromium.org/p/chromium/issues/detail?id=1102281#c23

XRevan86

-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-bugs.chromium.org | 1102281 - chromium - An open-source project to help move the web forward. - Monorail

DaemonFC[m]

Yeah, so much for the "Plan for disasters and have an emergency fund." advice.

DaemonFC[m]

Maybe they should have bought less avocado toast.

DaemonFC[m]

"Peter Gray, president of Pyramid Real Estate Group in Stamford, Connecticut, is not only a property owner collecting rent on 30 of his own properties, but also a property manager who handles maintenance and rent collection for other landlords. While only a couple of his own tenants have stopped paying, some of his landlord clients are having trouble paying him."

DaemonFC[m]

Sounds like a pyramid scheme.

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Dec 20 17:01

schestowitz

DaemonFC[m]: https://joindiaspora.com/posts/19707342

Dec 20 17:03

-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: #corporateMedia : let's moan for the rich https://edition.cnn.com/2020/12/17/success/landlords-struggling-rent-eviction/index.html

Dec 20 17:03

schestowitz

yramid Real Estate Group

schestowitz

LOL!

schestowitz

Pyramid Real Estate Group

schestowitz

it says right on the tin what they are

schestowitz

they're a collection agency

schestowitz

becoming richer out of poor people who cannot buy a home

MinceR

schestowitz

but not the poor are so poor that the scheme is collapsing

MinceR

pyramid scheme?

schestowitz

as it ought to

schestowitz

yes, money upwards

schestowitz

mlm

schestowitz

b2b

schestowitz

all those euphemisms

schestowitz

they're just some parasite middleman

schestowitz

parasitic

schestowitz

because money flows to them

schestowitz

and they don't actually do anything

schestowitz

like hedge funds

schestowitz

or vulture 'activist' investors

Dec 20 17:06

DaemonFC[m]

schestowitz: I emailed my dad talking about Fox News having to do major retractions of their voting machine conspiracies after surmising that they would lose a lawsuit that was threatened.

Dec 20 17:08

DaemonFC[m]

I threw in: Maybe when "President Clark" storms "ISN" after discussing "Marshall"[sic] law with his stupid idiots in the White House, they'll go back to fawning over him 24 hours a day.

Dec 20 17:09

DaemonFC[m]

Who knows?

Dec 20 17:09

DaemonFC[m]

schestowitz: The comparison was to the illegitimate government that was set up on Earth in one of the story arcs on B5.

Dec 20 17:10

DaemonFC[m]

In one of the episodes, a robber baron told Mr. Garibaldi that corporations had secretly signed off on Clark's takeover because they thought he was a fool that they'd be able to control and profit off of.

Dec 20 17:11

DaemonFC[m]

I think he mentioned the "Russians" causing problems "again" in 2025 or something.

Dec 20 17:14

DaemonFC[m]

Of course, the reasons why sci fi timelines seem prophetic sometimes is because honestly when are governments not causing problems?

Dec 20 17:15

DaemonFC[m]

When are people not putting those in power who don't deserve it and won't do good things when they get it?

Dec 20 17:15

DaemonFC[m]

Rarely, if ever.

Dec 20 17:15

scientes

ever played this game XRevan86 https://duckduckgo.com/?t=ffab&q=2048&ia=answer

-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-html.duckduckgo.com | 2048 at DuckDuckGo

scientes

I really suck at it

scientes

I've only gotten to like 256

https://support.microsoft.com/en-us/help/927665/the-msdia80-dll-file-is-installed-in-the-root-folder-of-the-boot-drive

scientes

there has to be some strategy i am missing

Dec 20 17:19

DaemonFC[m]

Dec 20 17:20

-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-support.microsoft.com |

Dec 20 17:20

DaemonFC[m]

LOL

Dec 20 17:20

XRevan86

scientes: No, not something I fancy.

Dec 20 17:22

scientes

it looks more interesting that sodoku

Dec 20 17:22

DaemonFC[m]

Then they have a typo in the workaround.

Dec 20 17:22

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Dec 20 17:27

scientes

anyways, i was just playing on my pinephone and it was preinstalled

Dec 20 17:27

scientes

so now i am wasting my time

Dec 20 17:28

XRevan86

scientes: What OS have you chosen for PinePhone?

Dec 20 17:28

scientes

mobian

Dec 20 17:29

XRevan86

I'm curious, does postmarketOS support locales?

Dec 20 17:30

scientes

when i saw how horribe the postmarketos build system was I changed my opinion of it

Dec 20 17:30

scientes

it uses like 5 bazillion bind mounts

scientes

turns out all the projects are using each other's software, in true GNU/Linux style

MinceR

doesn't android use a lot of bind mounts too?

scientes

especially the libram 5 development stuff

XRevan86

Android is special.

scientes

android also uses selinux extensively

Dec 20 17:32

scientes

which makes it hair-pullingly painful

Dec 20 17:32

scientes

if Lennary Poettering says "SELinux is a great piece of software....except that I don't understand it"

Dec 20 17:33

scientes

all of these "security" systems are stupid, because Linux is unfixable in how insecure it is

Dec 20 17:33

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Dec 20 17:34

DaemonFC[m]

Of course he doesn't understand it. He's too busy fawning over the service manager and audio system of Windows.

Dec 20 17:35

DaemonFC[m]

qBittorrent is kind of a pig compared with Tixati.

Dec 20 17:37

DaemonFC[m]

But it has some interesting features.

Dec 20 17:37

DaemonFC[m]

Including a "privacy mode" which really only makes sense to use on a VPN of course.

Dec 20 17:37

DaemonFC[m]

But it stops advertising what the client name is and does some other things to counter unique fingerprints advertised to the swarm.

Dec 20 17:38

MinceR

Dec 20 17:39

DaemonFC[m]

The US is pretty much governed by IP trolls.

Dec 20 17:40

DaemonFC[m]

They run Congress, so anything that helps disguise you is nice because you can be damned sure that copyright lawyers are logging anything they can get from your bittorrent client.

Dec 20 17:40

DaemonFC[m]

MinceR: I suppose there's a security win here as well.

Dec 20 17:41

DaemonFC[m]

If the other peers don't know what client you're using they might not be able to as easily figure out an exploit that would work.

Dec 20 17:41

DaemonFC[m]

Many people are still using an old version of uTorrent from many years ago. The last build before a bunch of adware got crammed into it.

schestowitz

DaemonFC[m]: "Trump’s COVID failure, which has caused more than 415,000 excess deaths in America with another 600,000 anticipated by next spring or thereabouts" https://rinj.press/fpmag/december-2020/russian-apt-could-mean-usa-collapse-in-depth-report/

-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights- ( status 508 @ https://rinj.press/fpmag/december-2020/russian-apt-could-mean-usa-collapse-in-depth-report/ )

schestowitz

excess deaths

schestowitz

those are the numbers I was after

https://news.yahoo.com/mitch-mcconnell-seeks-end-coronavirus-170154289.html

MinceR

they could just try all the exploits

Dec 20 17:43

DaemonFC[m]

True.

Dec 20 17:43

DaemonFC[m]

Some people actually use the mainline client.

Dec 20 17:44

DaemonFC[m]

Seems the majority are using some open source one.

Dec 20 17:44

DaemonFC[m]

Probably either on Linux or trying to avoid the ones packed with malware, all proprietary.

Dec 20 17:44

DaemonFC[m]

Dec 20 17:53

-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-news.yahoo.com | Mitch McConnell seeks to end coronavirus paid sick leave program

Dec 20 17:53

DaemonFC[m]

The Republicans are trying to end the paid sick leave program for workers diagnosed with the Coronavirus, who have to quarantine for at least 10 days.

Dec 20 17:53

DaemonFC[m]

Meaning you'll just miss out on an entire paycheck.

Dec 20 17:54

scientes

ooo, gnome's web browser looks pretty good on the pinephone

Dec 20 17:54

DaemonFC[m]

All modern browsers are terrible.

Dec 20 17:57

DaemonFC[m]

But we're creeping back into that "bloated pig" even by modern standards problem on Firefox.

Dec 20 17:57

scientes

ok i take that back

Dec 20 17:58

scientes

it still has right-click menu

Dec 20 17:58

MinceR

"bloated pig" is given when you try to implement the "modern" web "standards"

Dec 20 17:59

scientes

also the pinephone is 4xA53

Dec 20 18:03

scientes

which is an in-order processor, so pretty slow

Dec 20 18:03

scientes

i guess my other phone is 8xA53

Dec 20 18:04

MinceR

https://hugelolcdn.com/i/705914.jpg

Dec 20 18:04

scientes

I bet there are more A53 cores in the world than people

Dec 20 18:05

XRevan86

MinceR: He's back and he wants blood!

Dec 20 18:05

MinceR

indeed

Dec 20 18:06

MinceR

he vill suck your bluhd

Dec 20 18:07

scientes

wow, firefox is defintely faster rendering however

Dec 20 18:07

MinceR

https://hugelolcdn.com/i/705833.jpg

Dec 20 18:19

scientes

browser.newtabpage.activity-stream.filterAdult

Dec 20 18:20

scientes

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

Dec 20 18:20

scientes

https://github.com/matthewruttley/contentfilter/blob/master/sites.json

Dec 20 18:21

-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-contentfilter/sites.json at master · matthewruttley/contentfilter · GitHub

Dec 20 18:21

scientes

the firefox new tab page blacklist

Dec 20 18:21

DaemonFC[m]

Yeah, porn sites floating to your new tab page.

Dec 20 18:30

DaemonFC[m]

Very nice when other people are looking at your browser, right?

Dec 20 18:30

DaemonFC[m]

Wait a second. There's a firefox blocklist for the new tab page's most frequent sites and it has URLs of bestiality porn.

Dec 20 18:32

DaemonFC[m]

OMG. That's funny.

Dec 20 18:32

schestowitz

tell the Gates familt

schestowitz

*family

http://techrights.org/2020/08/21/zoophilia-gates-estate/

schestowitz

-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Melinda and Zoophilia Found in Tandem in the Illegal Pornographic ‘Stash’ of Bill Gates’ Engineer | Techrights

https://hugelolcdn.com/i/705802.jpg

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DaemonFC[m]

Seems Windows 10 has a "compressed memory" feature.

Dec 20 18:56

DaemonFC[m]

Fedora is copying that now.

Dec 20 18:56

XRevan86

Linux stole the "compressed memory" feature from Windows 10 in 2010.

Dec 20 19:03

XRevan86

The audacity.

Dec 20 19:04

MinceR

Dec 20 19:09

XRevan86

almost a literal backdoor

Dec 20 19:10

DaemonFC[m]

Meh, maybe no distributions really bothered to set it up until now.

Dec 20 19:14

DaemonFC[m]

Of course Windows 10 seems to use a lot of memory.

Dec 20 19:14

XRevan86

DaemonFC[m]: According to Wikipedia, Lubuntu did.

Dec 20 19:15

MinceR

(cat) https://ircz.de/p/20071631

Dec 20 19:36

-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-ircz.de | IRCZ makes your life worth living Post object (4758370)

Dec 20 19:36

IanJ

scientes: Is the pinephone actually a usable device or just a gimicky toy?

Dec 20 20:06

scientes

it is certainly not a toy

Dec 20 20:06

IanJ

Is it your daily driver?

Dec 20 20:06

scientes

and the mobile works

scientes

but no, it is a PITA

IanJ

haha :)

scientes

however it is actually promising

scientes

unlike ubuntu touch on the nexus 4 back in the day

IanJ

Yeah, that's what I read, it's just not there yet. :(

scientes

which was immediately "they will never work"

scientes

this clearly has promise

https://github.blog/2020-12-15-token-authentication-requirements-for-git-operations/

scientes

and calls actually work

Dec 20 20:08

scientes

which is pretty amazing

Dec 20 20:08

scientes

considering that noone was ever able to do that before

Dec 20 20:08

IanJ

I'm glad it's progressing though.

Dec 20 20:09

DaemonFC[m]

It seems Windows can actually play most formats now without those awful codec packs.

Dec 20 20:11

scientes

like the hardware basically works

Dec 20 20:11

scientes

i can pull up firefox and it works

Dec 20 20:11

scientes

and the gnome interface is pretty slick

Dec 20 20:13

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smnthermes

Dec 20 21:22

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Dec 20 21:37

MinceR

(audio:important) https://hugelolcdn.com/v/705738.webm

Dec 20 21:40

MinceR

https://www.smbc-comics.com/comic/buffon

Dec 20 21:51

-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.smbc-comics.com | Saturday Morning Breakfast Cereal - Buffon

Dec 20 21:51

DaemonFC[m]

I couldn't figure out how to get my laptop to output to the TV over HDMI.

DaemonFC[m]

But then again, I might have grabbed the cord that John was always screwing around with because the TV would lose the signal from his PS4.

MinceR

plug the HDMI cable into the laptop and into the TV, then set the laptop to use the HDMI output

DaemonFC[m]

When I don't have the hard disk hooked up later I might go over it again with a different cable and throw that one in the trash.

DaemonFC[m]

How does a Chromecast work? Can you just mirror anything?

MinceR

¯\_(ツ)_/¯

DaemonFC[m]

I opened up the cast thing and I got my neighbor's Fire TV stick.

DaemonFC[m]

But then when I plugged in the one my mom gave me, it was the one without mirroring.

http://www.dorktower.com/2020/06/05/supermarket-sweeps-dork-tower-05-06-20/

DaemonFC[m]

I have a roku around here somewhere.

Dec 20 22:02

DaemonFC[m]

But after the move I haven't seen it.

Dec 20 22:02

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DaemonFC[m]

Yeah, it's the cable.

Dec 20 22:13

MinceR

Dec 20 22:15

-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.dorktower.com | Supermarket Sweeps – DORK TOWER 05.06.20 – Dork Tower

Dec 20 22:15

Ariadne

DaemonFC[m]: it goes to a webpage

Dec 20 22:22

Ariadne

you direct it to go to

Dec 20 22:22

DaemonFC[m]

Okay, I ordered a 12 footer HDMI.

Dec 20 22:32

DaemonFC[m]

I can get from the laptop to the TV with that with maybe some room to spare.

Dec 20 22:33

DaemonFC[m]

It's hacky, but it's $10 and the 6 foot cable worked it just wasn't long enough.

Dec 20 22:33

DaemonFC[m]

MinceR: It seems that "Casting" is just full of bugs and they're removing support for stuff that's on your local computer because pirates I guess.

Dec 20 22:34

DaemonFC[m]

Microsoft was pushing Miracast for a while, but it was more like Miracrashed.

Dec 20 22:35

MinceR

Dec 20 22:35

DaemonFC[m]

They hurried up to set up demos at Best Buy and the Microsoft Store and the demo didn't work and blue screen of deathed a Windows laptop I tried it with at the Microsoft Store.

Dec 20 22:35

MinceR

but did it cast the BSOD to the TV?

Dec 20 22:36

DaemonFC[m]

So the upside with this computer is it's a full sized laptop with full sized ports, including HDMI.

Dec 20 22:36

DaemonFC[m]

MinceR: A few frames of the desktop then the Blue Screen of Death and then "Welcome to the Microsoft Miracast receiver. Please connect a device.".

MinceR

big deal, my subnotebook has a full-sized HDMI port too :>

MinceR

MinceR

bit of a letdown

DaemonFC[m]

Which is what you expect given Windows and Microsoft and Intel and all.

MinceR

it should continue to reliably cast the BSOD to the TV

DaemonFC[m]

Something happened something happened.

MinceR

after all, if you directed the output of a PC running windows to a TV, a BSOD is what you wanted to see

MinceR

even the superthin/superlight laptop i'm considering buying has a full sized HDMI port

DaemonFC[m]

I suspect that we'll see fewer successful attacks on the new Edge because the upstream is Google, which actually fixes bugs and it uses open source libraries where the maintainers accept bug fixes.

MinceR

(and next to it it also has a micro-HDMI port)

DaemonFC[m]

So Microsoft is really getting a free lunch here, and that's why Chromium Edge is not terrible by their usual standards.

Dec 20 22:39

MinceR

microshit can still fuck it up

Dec 20 22:39

MinceR

it's their specialty

Dec 20 22:39

DaemonFC[m]

Although I kind of wonder why it currently doesn't support generating passwords considering Chrome has had that feature for a long time.

Dec 20 22:41

DaemonFC[m]

MinceR: I hear that they may end up getting the Intel graphics driver and teh Cyperpunk 2077 binaries into some sort of shape to where you will eventually be able to play it on Intel Xe graphics, like what my laptop has.

Dec 20 22:49

DaemonFC[m]

There was a guy on Youtube showing it off on Skylake Mobile, and it managed 10-12 fps.

Dec 20 22:49

DaemonFC[m]

But when he started the game on Tiger Lake with Xe graphics, it just crashed.

Dec 20 22:50

DaemonFC[m]

If an Intel HD 520 can run it at ~10 fps, then I suspect as long as you don't get crazy with the visuals, 30-40 fps is theoretically possible on Tiger Lake.

Dec 20 22:51

DaemonFC[m]

Intel has been putting out new drivers like crazy for Windows to deal with Tiger Lake issues.

Dec 20 22:51

DaemonFC[m]

The one that went out yesterday mostly took time to fix less than optimal performance with DirectX 9 stuff though, oddly.

Dec 20 22:52

DaemonFC[m]

The driver Windows Update tries to give you is a little bit crusty.

Dec 20 22:53

DaemonFC[m]

Honestly, if the Windows driver is in a state like this, then I suspect Debian 11 may not even have new enough components to support things just right.

Dec 20 22:54

psydroid

That's ridiculous

Dec 20 22:57

psydroid

My laptop with Skylake is fast enough to do almost anything, but it has Ngreedia discrete graphics

Dec 20 22:58

DaemonFC[m]

Intel has been dribbling in Tiger Lake support into Linux for like half a dozen kernels now.

Dec 20 22:58

psydroid

With Intel machines the integrated graphics always get out of date much faster than the rest of the system

Dec 20 22:59

DaemonFC[m]

Yeah, the single threaded performance on the CPU side has been improved since Skylake, but the dramatic improvements are the Intel GPU performance and the overall power management and amount of heat that the laptop produces.

Dec 20 22:59

psydroid

Hopefully with newer generations containing Xe graphics that will less often be the case

Dec 20 22:59

DaemonFC[m]

And the U series is all quad core now, and you get hyperthreading as long as it's at least an i5.

Dec 20 23:00

DaemonFC[m]

So on the U series lineup, it's a night and day improvement over Skylake.

Dec 20 23:00

psydroid

I think my niece has an i5-8250U in her laptop and it will probably last her for several more years

Dec 20 23:04

DaemonFC[m]

Yeah, Apple transitioned away from Intel before major improvements came out.

Dec 20 23:05

DaemonFC[m]

The M1 is really about locking down the Mac more from the user and making them cheaper to build.

Dec 20 23:06

DaemonFC[m]

Microsoft's software on the Mac has historically been awkward.

Dec 20 23:08

DaemonFC[m]

It's usually a totally different codebase than Windows, and so even things like Office compatibility issues show up even though both are called Microsoft Office.

Dec 20 23:08

DaemonFC[m]

The last CPU transition caught them totally off guard and they were a PPC binary for years.

Dec 20 23:09

psydroid

Which is understandable but locks them out of running anything else unless special efforts are being made to reverse engineer drivers and port/write those to/for other operating systems

Dec 20 23:09

DaemonFC[m]

Someone will port Linux to the M1, but I doubt it will work well, especially the graphics performance.

Dec 20 23:10

DaemonFC[m]

Given how Apple just cuts you off at some point relatively soon after you buy it and then new software stops working, this is a major problem with the new Macs.

Dec 20 23:12

DaemonFC[m]

I think that huge changes to Windows are basically finished.

Dec 20 23:12

psydroid

Microsoft doesn't seem to be very agile when it comes to new hardware architectures and operating systems, as if it's in their DNA to have a stuck mindset

DaemonFC[m]

Yeah, which is probably why Intel only dropped slightly on the news of Microsoft designing ARM processors.

vZS1

Microsoft don't really develop. They acquire

DaemonFC[m]

Nobody is interested in Windows on ARM.

vZS1

That's always been the business model

vZS1

Why would you want to put bloat on low-resource hardware?

Dec 20 23:14

DaemonFC[m]

They keep trying to cut Windows down to where it only runs limited apps and shove an ARM version out.

Dec 20 23:15

DaemonFC[m]

But nobody bites.

Dec 20 23:15

DaemonFC[m]

So they shoved the Windows Store to the side and accepted reality that nobody is going to use that as their main source for programs.

Dec 20 23:15

DaemonFC[m]

Many people were upset at the removal of the 16-bit VDM stuff.

Dec 20 23:17

DaemonFC[m]

Even the US federal government uses some DOS programs.

Dec 20 23:17

vZS1

Legacy

Dec 20 23:18

vZS1

The hardest thing to get rid of

Dec 20 23:18

psydroid

I'm looking at it from a different perspective

Dec 20 23:18

psydroid

Initiate an architecture transition once every 10 years and Microsoft won't be able to keep up and might eventually have to fold

Dec 20 23:19

MinceR

21 001543 < DaemonFC[m]> So they shoved the Windows Store to the side and accepted reality that nobody is going to use that as their main source for programs.

MinceR

so, is UWP dead already?

vZS1

psydroid: they'll just run in VMs

vZS1

Look at COBOL

vZS1

Still alive

DaemonFC[m]

<MinceR "so, is UWP dead already?"> It's still there but I doubt anyone uses it.

Dec 20 23:21

vZS1

Business systems seldom migrate

Dec 20 23:22

DaemonFC[m]

For starters, most people pirate software and the software there is quite expensive.

Dec 20 23:22

vZS1

They get built once and then all you use is duct tape

Dec 20 23:22

DaemonFC[m]

The natural thing to want to do as a developer is scream about pirates, but it's a fact of life.

Dec 20 23:23

DaemonFC[m]

If you developed a perfect system of DRM that absolutely never failed, somehow, it wouldn't put money into people's wallets. They might find some other program to use instead.

Dec 20 23:23

DaemonFC[m]

So you never would convert 100% of piracy into sales.

Dec 20 23:23

DaemonFC[m]

Maybe 10-20% if you were lucky.

Dec 20 23:24

DaemonFC[m]

Office 2019 DRM is probably cracked by somebody, but just having it there with the high prices is what's driving a lot of people over to LibreOffice.

Dec 20 23:24

DaemonFC[m]

They can't cope with shelling out three hundred dollars for a copy of MS Office that's only going to give them a few more years until they have to buy it again.

Dec 20 23:25

vZS1

Hiking prices is what drives to piracy in the first place

Dec 20 23:25

DaemonFC[m]

It is. Few people would have bothered with web rips until Netflix got to $14.99 a month.

DaemonFC[m]

That's more expensive than it was to have their DVD by mail service before streaming.

vZS1

If Netflix was sub-$10 a month, everyone would just pay for it

vZS1

Almost everyone at least

DaemonFC[m]

$14.99 a month is over $180 a year, because they take sales tax too.

DaemonFC[m]

The state creates a fiction where you're buying something so that it can put in a 9% tax.

vZS1

Don't forget they limit how many devices you can watch on

DaemonFC[m]

So really over $200 a year.

psydroid

I don't know if you read anything in the news about this, but I'm wondering if systems coming with Windows are relatively in decline

https://www.canalys.com/newsroom/worldwide-pc-market-Q3-2020

psydroid

-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Canalys Newsroom- Canalys: Tablets and Chromebooks the new hotspots for growth in the PC market

DaemonFC[m]

When I was a kid, parents just rented a Disney movie on a video tape or something.

DaemonFC[m]

Ran off copies on blank tapes for them and the extended family, and the folks at work with kids.

DaemonFC[m]

It was like a slow and crude form of internet file sharing.

DaemonFC[m]

The stuff got around, there was major piracy.

DaemonFC[m]

Absolutely nobody would have entertained the thought of paying Disney $100 a year, much less when you considered that there were half a dozen other streaming apps all costing more than that.

Dec 20 23:29

DaemonFC[m]

It's part of what's making people broke.

Dec 20 23:30

vZS1

They're digging their own grave by not pricing reasonably (:

Dec 20 23:30

psydroid

Fewer desktops are being sold and prices have become quite high, making me wonder if they are trying to compensate for lower numbers of sold desktop components

Dec 20 23:31

vZS1

Don't believe the stats

Dec 20 23:31

vZS1

The samples are shite

vZS1

Plenty of people still building PCs

vZS1

Even non-tech types

psydroid

But as many as before?

https://liliputing.com/2016/09/dont-see-cheap-windows-devices-8gb-ram-specs-cheap-windows-licenses.html

vZS1

Can't say

Dec 20 23:33

vZS1

Look at sales across retailers

Dec 20 23:33

vZS1

Best way to usually tell

Dec 20 23:33

vZS1

CPUs, Motherboards, PSUs, GPUs

Dec 20 23:34

vZS1

That kind of thing

Dec 20 23:34

vZS1

Cases

Dec 20 23:34

vZS1

There's a lot of propaganda out there

Dec 20 23:35

vZS1

They'd love people to believe PCs are on the decline

Dec 20 23:35

vZS1

When there's no evidence supporting that

Dec 20 23:35

vZS1

Check the thousands of units of RAM sold daily on eBay

Dec 20 23:37

DaemonFC[m]

-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-This is why you don't see cheap Windows devices with 8GB of RAM (specs for cheap Windows licenses) - Liliputing

DaemonFC[m]

"Max 32 GB SSD/eMMC is the real problem. This makes the devices almost unusable with windows over time. Annoying updates (not enough free space) and the necessity to check / free the the file system on regular bases."

DaemonFC[m]

Someone else replies: "Nope the problem is the 2GB of RAM. I have a Lenovo Yoga with 2GB of RAM and 32GB eMMC. The storage I can live with but the lack of RAM means that even browsing causes the machine to groan. The cursor becomes Uncontrollable and the touchscreen becomes a ferociously tapscreen. And yes I have tried various browsers with no addons installed."

vZS1

Buy expandable hardware?

Dec 20 23:39

vZS1

People moaning about devices without enough memory or disk shouldn't buy devices with fixed memory and disk

Dec 20 23:40

psydroid

I got a used laptop with a Celeron N3060, 8 GB of RAM and 128 GB M.2 SATA SSD at the start of the year for €75

Dec 20 23:41

vZS1

Nice

Dec 20 23:41

psydroid

Of course it came with Bloatware, but I installed GNU/Linux on it and now I have Haiku running on it

Dec 20 23:42

vZS1

I buy phones from generic Chinese manufacturers. I can expand the memory card to several hundred gigabytes and change the batteries.

Dec 20 23:42

vZS1

Meanwhile, people buying designer phones can't even change their battery

Dec 20 23:43

psydroid

If people realise they shouldn't buy those really crappy laptops with 2 GB of RAM and 32 GB of eMMC, the stores wouldn't even try to sell them

Dec 20 23:43

psydroid

I saw them too being sold a few years ago but found €200 a steep price for something that can only be considered a toy

Dec 20 23:44

psydroid

You're better off with a Chromebook at that price point

Dec 20 23:44

vZS1

Or just get a SBC and hook it up to your TV

Dec 20 23:45

psydroid

That's what I do, yes

Dec 20 23:45

vZS1

There's so many good SBCs out there

Dec 20 23:49

vZS1

You should never have to get a crappy laptop unless you really need the form factor

Dec 20 23:49

vZS1

Even then, you're better off getting just a cheap device that you can forward X over to a real working machine at home

Dec 20 23:50

psydroid

And if you don't know if something is good or not, just ask a friend or a relative

Dec 20 23:51

psydroid

That's literally what I did a decade ago

Dec 20 23:51

vZS1

Yeah

vZS1

These days you get netbooks that are cheap

vZS1

You can use that to forward X

psydroid

I have a fairly powerful laptop now, but if I need more compute power I will just build a desktop/workstation/server for the heavy lifting

vZS1

Then have a beefy system at home doing all the hard work