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DaemonFC[m]https://www.wcpo.com/money/consumer/dont-waste-your-money/walmartcom-online-prices-may-be-higher-than-in-storeNov 22 00:09
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.wcpo.com | Walmart.com online prices may be higher than in-storeNov 22 00:09
DaemonFC[m]Walmart has been doing this more lately.Nov 22 00:09
DaemonFC[m]Taking advantage of the Coronavirus disaster.Nov 22 00:09
DaemonFC[m]They up your grocery bill by 5% or so online and then say you can have 5x points if you sign up for a Walmart credit card.Nov 22 00:10
DaemonFC[m]Which gets 2x points in the store.Nov 22 00:10
schestowitz"disaster capitalism"Nov 22 00:10
DaemonFC[m]So I just completely gave up on Grocery Pickup. It seems to be popular. Maybe people don't realize it or don't care.Nov 22 00:10
schestowitz"we charge you more... to PROTECT YUOU"Nov 22 00:10
schestowitzand then hire fewer people, tooNov 22 00:10
schestowitzeventually just a warehouseNov 22 00:11
schestowitzliks amazonNov 22 00:11
schestowitzmoney-making machineNov 22 00:11
schestowitzno serviceNov 22 00:11
schestowitzno staffNov 22 00:11
DaemonFC[m]schestowitz: That's what the inside of the store has become.Nov 22 00:11
DaemonFC[m]They say open your Walmart app if you want to find something.Nov 22 00:11
DaemonFC[m]Some people don't have a phone. Not every phone gets reception in the store.Nov 22 00:12
schestowitzlolNov 22 00:12
schestowitz'the future'Nov 22 00:12
schestowitzthey follow you aroundNov 22 00:12
schestowitzon "apps"Nov 22 00:12
schestowitzsell dataNov 22 00:12
DaemonFC[m]It seems like they're responding to inflation by some combination of raising prices and having a lower head count.Nov 22 00:12
DaemonFC[m]Joe Biden really has his work cut out for him after this clown gets done.Nov 22 00:13
schestowitznext thing you know they'll charge you extra for taking items from the shelftNov 22 00:13
schestowitzto avoid hiring people who stock shelvesNov 22 00:13
DaemonFC[m]One of the first things that we need are an end to these ridiculous tariffs. Nov 22 00:13
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schestowitzgo to the warehouse, find large cartonsNov 22 00:13
schestowitzpick up items from thereNov 22 00:13
schestowitzfor "discount"Nov 22 00:13
schestowitzin effect become their staffNov 22 00:13
schestowitzand you also do the checkout yourselfNov 22 00:13
DaemonFC[m]They have massive self checkouts now.Nov 22 00:13
schestowitzso wamark becomes just a f-ing warehouseNov 22 00:13
schestowitzwith trucks bringing in goodNov 22 00:14
schestowitz*goodsNov 22 00:14
DaemonFC[m]And they haven't done anything to reduce the number of things you have to touch.Nov 22 00:14
DaemonFC[m]And I've never seen anyone cleaning them.Nov 22 00:14
schestowitzthey don'tNov 22 00:14
DaemonFC[m]So I grab a plastic bag so I can use the hand scanner.Nov 22 00:14
schestowitznot their riskNov 22 00:14
schestowitznot their problemNov 22 00:14
schestowitzthey blame "filthy" customersNov 22 00:14
schestowitzawfulNov 22 00:15
schestowitzand they say technology will make life easierNov 22 00:15
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schestowitzI think it was a lot easier beforeNov 22 00:15
DaemonFC[m]They stick some drums of cart wipes and hand sanitizer at the front door.Nov 22 00:15
schestowitzpick cart, toss in stuffNov 22 00:15
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schestowitzhandover to cashier, pay cash, take changeNov 22 00:15
DaemonFC[m]At the beginning of this they had people working there wiping down the carts, but that's been gone for months.Nov 22 00:15
schestowitzvery simple, even old people needed no training... just pick what you want from the shelves.... no "apps" and stuffNov 22 00:15
schestowitzthey never clean anythingNov 22 00:16
schestowitzexcept when clients watchNov 22 00:16
DaemonFC[m]So some people just grab a cart that's been touched by who knows how many sick people, and run off with it and ignore the self-serve cleaning station.Nov 22 00:16
schestowitzthey're deliberately understaffedNov 22 00:16
schestowitzthe staff is trying to keep above water levelNov 22 00:16
schestowitzcleaning things would not be a priorityNov 22 00:16
schestowitzthe cleaning stations don't helpNov 22 00:17
schestowitzpeople sneeze and coughNov 22 00:17
schestowitzthose are symbolicNov 22 00:17
schestowitzI use them before and after buyingNov 22 00:17
schestowitzbut I still assume my hands aren't clean, always remember to take a shower when you get home and don't touch anywhere near the faceNov 22 00:17
schestowitz1.5k deaths in US today https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/country/us/Nov 22 00:18
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.worldometers.info | United States Coronavirus: 12,437,760 Cases and 261,751 Deaths - WorldometerNov 22 00:18
schestowitza SaturdayNov 22 00:18
schestowitz204k new cases yesterdayNov 22 00:19
schestowitzwe're not doing well, either https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/country/uk/Nov 22 00:20
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.worldometers.info | United Kingdom Coronavirus: 1,493,383 Cases and 54,626 Deaths - WorldometerNov 22 00:20
schestowitzI stopped keeping track of these things, tbh...Nov 22 00:20
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schestowitzviera offlineNov 22 00:46
schestowitzblade down for maintenance? I guess that's possibleNov 22 00:46
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DaemonFC[m]https://www.tomsguide.com/amp/news/amazon-uk-ps5-theftNov 22 02:30
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tomsguide.com | PS5 fail: Amazon customers getting appliances and cat food instead | Tom's GuideNov 22 02:30
DaemonFC[m]schestowitz ^Nov 22 02:30
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DaemonFC[m]https://www.cnn.com/2020/11/21/politics/federal-judge-dismisses-trump-pennsylvania-lawsuit/index.htmlNov 22 04:31
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Federal judge dismisses Trump campaign Pennsylvania lawsuit - CNNPoliticsNov 22 04:31
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Ariadnesome life advice: never ever buy an ATS for a PDU off of amazon.comNov 22 04:35
DaemonFC[m]https://www.cnn.com/2020/11/21/politics/kelly-loeffler-tests-positive-covid-georgia/index.htmlNov 22 04:35
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Kelly Loeffler tests positive for Covid but undergoing further testing - CNNPoliticsNov 22 04:35
Ariadnemy "APC" ATS switch failed over alrightNov 22 04:35
Ariadneit failed over in the form of catching fireNov 22 04:36
Ariadnethankfully my routers that i just bought did not catch fire as a resultNov 22 04:36
schestowitzAriadne: I was gonna say...Nov 22 05:29
schestowitzsounded like something serious had happenedNov 22 05:30
Ariadneyeah, amazon said they could provide a power transfer switch same dayNov 22 05:30
Ariadnethey didNov 22 05:30
Ariadnebut it appears that switch may not have been genuineNov 22 05:30
Ariadneat least, i would not expect APC electrical gear to randomly catch fireNov 22 05:31
schestowitzamazon is not genuine\Nov 22 05:31
Ariadnebut that is precisely what happenedNov 22 05:31
schestowitzand they take no responsibilityNov 22 05:31
Ariadneamazon in my experience is a mix of genuine and fakeNov 22 05:31
Ariadnewhich, fineNov 22 05:32
Ariadnebut fake is not good if its electrical component taking 240v mainsNov 22 05:32
-viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: AMDGPU Linux Driver Seeing A Lot Of Power Saving Optimization Work • ⒯⒰⒳ ⒨⒜⒞⒣⒤⒩⒠⒮ ☞ http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/144625 [https://pleroma.site/objects/40eed3ff-7e96-456e-b0e6-c940cc49845c]Nov 22 05:32
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Ariadneand to be clear, i wouldn't care if it was fake if it was built to the same (or better) standardNov 22 05:36
Ariadnehowever, i am pretty sure this power transfer switch was probably not ever functionalNov 22 05:36
schestowitzI like cheapNov 22 05:37
schestowitzeveryone likes cheapNov 22 05:37
schestowitzwith some items, cheap is riskyNov 22 05:37
Ariadnei've had counterfeit products that were better than originalNov 22 05:37
Ariadnein my case, it wasn't cheap i was going forNov 22 05:37
schestowitzand the risk manifests in different formsNov 22 05:37
Ariadnemore "i need this right now"Nov 22 05:37
schestowitzgood might give you diarrhoeaNov 22 05:37
schestowitzsome things can burn down the houseNov 22 05:37
Ariadneamazon had the ATS available same day deliveryNov 22 05:37
schestowitzI bought electrical stuff a week agoNov 22 05:38
schestowitzpaid like 5 times what I was planningNov 22 05:38
Ariadnebut yes, running 240v through something bought off amazon, probably not my smartest ideaNov 22 05:38
schestowitzbut no major regret, at least I know it's safeNov 22 05:38
schestowitzit's in a carpeted spaceNov 22 05:38
Ariadnethis is in a warehouseNov 22 05:39
schestowitzthis is a room with 6 computers in itNov 22 05:39
schestowitzand carpetsNov 22 05:39
schestowitzand batteries that are chemicalNov 22 05:39
Ariadneand right now everything is now just jacked into the 'A' side of the circuit instead of both sidesNov 22 05:40
Ariadnewe will get second PDU and balance between A and B, which is what i should have done to begin with :PNov 22 05:40
schestowitzthe server must be expensive Nov 22 05:40
schestowitza bladeNov 22 05:40
schestowitza lot more expensive than what powers itNov 22 05:40
Ariadnethe blade system itself didn't go downNov 22 05:40
Ariadneit was the routers that went downNov 22 05:40
schestowitzso it can be called a car in top of a skateboardNov 22 05:40
Ariadnepair of cisco ASR9006sNov 22 05:41
Ariadnei did have to restart the techrights VM thoughNov 22 05:41
schestowitzI knew something had gone bad when the VM was not accessible with no prior suggestion of maintenanceNov 22 05:42
schestowitzjust many pleroma posts from youNov 22 05:42
schestowitz[22:14] [Notice] -viera to #boycottnovell-social- perfect 🐰 forever: based on the way things are evolving, i'm looking forward to "Pleroma 3.0: Fuck Your Feelings" [https://pleroma.site/objects/29e93b61-99fd-4181-a92f-7460947bd272]Nov 22 05:43
schestowitzBTWNov 22 05:43
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-pleroma.siteNov 22 05:43
schestowitzNazis complicate everythingNov 22 05:43
schestowitzit's where speech becomes prelude to mass violenceNov 22 05:43
schestowitzGAB is full of itNov 22 05:43
schestowitzMINDS getting thereNov 22 05:43
Ariadnei was surprised that pleroma's project manager would defend somebody crapflooding the mastodon developer with hitler memes as "it's just shitposting, bro"Nov 22 05:44
Ariadnelike come the fuck on dudeNov 22 05:44
schestowitz"Free speech" can be a cover for sabotage Nov 22 05:45
schestowitzsometimesNov 22 05:45
schestowitzto discourage and dissuade key membersNov 22 05:45
schestowitzto create a conflictNov 22 05:45
schestowitzI saw some projects deliberately undermined that wayNov 22 05:45
Ariadnethat's not funny inthe first place, and its certainly not something a project manager should defend when some user does itNov 22 05:45
schestowitzThey start talking about/like "I'M OPPRESSED!"Nov 22 05:46
schestowitzand then they split people who cooperatedNov 22 05:46
schestowitzentry barriers can helpNov 22 05:47
schestowitzto weed out this nonsenseNov 22 05:47
Ariadnei'm just saying, he could have left that aloneNov 22 05:47
schestowitzsome people you don't want to 'contribute' too easilyNov 22 05:47
schestowitzthey will bother with what's easiest to sabotageNov 22 05:47
Ariadnethe user crapflooding Gargron was not a pleroma devNov 22 05:47
schestowitzwhich is incidentally why Linus says he hates shithubNov 22 05:48
schestowitzand ignores all PRs from thereNov 22 05:48
schestowitzclosed themNov 22 05:48
schestowitz[05:47] <Ariadne> the user crapflooding Gargron was not a pleroma devNov 22 05:48
schestowitzdoesn't matterNov 22 05:48
schestowitzthat's the pointNov 22 05:48
schestowitzbut then the devs need to make a decisionNov 22 05:48
Ariadneyes, the devs should fire their manager (:Nov 22 05:49
schestowitzturning geeks into babysitters against their willNov 22 05:49
schestowitzand then they stop focusing on the techNov 22 05:49
Ariadnehttps://freespeechextremist.com/notice/A0Z28LkaCAoMMAUwm8Nov 22 05:49
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-freespeechextremist.com | PleromaNov 22 05:49
schestowitzinstead, shite like, "what to do with nazis..."Nov 22 05:49
Ariadneyes, i wasn't aware "what to do with nazis" was even a valid questionNov 22 05:49
Ariadnethe answer there is simple: ban them and move onNov 22 05:50
schestowitzsame with the "ethical licence" typesNov 22 05:50
schestowitzthey bring "ethics" where it hardly belongsNov 22 05:50
schestowitzand is not enforceable anywayNov 22 05:50
schestowitzAriadne: but then you have "lesser nazis" to decide onNov 22 05:50
schestowitzsocial control media doesn't workNov 22 05:51
schestowitztwitter has an issue with nazis alsoNov 22 05:51
schestowitzI'll spare you many links about itNov 22 05:51
Ariadnethats my conclusion, yesNov 22 05:51
schestowitzthey never solved the problem either wayNov 22 05:51
schestowitzsocial control media is a wrong conceptNov 22 05:51
Ariadneyeah @realDonaldTrump still liveNov 22 05:51
Ariadne:)Nov 22 05:51
schestowitz@scotus will go to bidenNov 22 05:52
Ariadnegotta take out nazi #1Nov 22 05:52
schestowitzTwitter now decided who the pres. isNov 22 05:52
schestowitzAriadne: being nazis without formally being thatNov 22 05:52
schestowitzand while claiming to be "zionist"Nov 22 05:52
schestowitzGOP >as a whole<, not just orange nazi, uses zionist as a fig leafNov 22 05:53
schestowitzto justify hating on latinos, arabs etc.Nov 22 05:53
schestowitzwhile evangelists 'support' israel in the sense that want an apocalypse there... so that jesus comes down in a ladder fasterNov 22 05:54
schestowitzthe trump cult is still out thereNov 22 05:54
schestowitzand apparently growingNov 22 05:55
schestowitzrecruiting onlineNov 22 05:55
schestowitzsocial control media is a boon for recruiting for subcultureNov 22 05:56
schestowitzall sorts of cults, some thinly disguised as "Ethical"Nov 22 05:56
schestowitzsocial control media assumes people are rationalNov 22 05:59
schestowitznot gonna mock mask-wearing etc. Nov 22 05:59
-viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: Today’s #HowTos | #UNIX • ⒯⒰⒳ ⒨⒜⒞⒣⒤⒩⒠⒮ ☞ http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/144626 [https://pleroma.site/objects/2e1d637a-f487-411e-80cb-30030aba27b6]Nov 22 06:00
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-viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: Audiocasts/Shows: GNU/Linux Software, Pitivi and Going Linux • ⒯⒰⒳ ⒨⒜⒞⒣⒤⒩⒠⒮ ☞ http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/144627 [https://pleroma.site/objects/ae1e461e-2b75-481b-9ad9-6446a9d0a891]Nov 22 06:04
-viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: Programming: Rust, C++ and Compilers • ⒯⒰⒳ ⒨⒜⒞⒣⒤⒩⒠⒮ ☞ http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/144628 [https://pleroma.site/objects/31973820-6329-4cbc-b445-8e0430645e3b]Nov 22 06:08
schestowitzsocial control media will be extinct one dayNov 22 06:08
schestowitzpeople realise what it isNov 22 06:08
schestowitztoxic, waste of timeNov 22 06:08
schestowitzand they look for alternativesNov 22 06:08
schestowitzthe 'boiling point' varies from person to personNov 22 06:09
schestowitzand the reason that's the last strawNov 22 06:09
schestowitzFacebook keeps buying its competition to keep afloatNov 22 06:09
schestowitzmany people who think they don't use FB actually doNov 22 06:10
schestowitz(my dad thought Twitter was part of Facebook or something... last week)Nov 22 06:10
Ariadnesocial control media is just forums with psychological manipulationNov 22 06:12
schestowitzand burnoutNov 22 06:17
schestowitzI limit the time I "invest" thereNov 22 06:17
schestowitzI post to itNov 22 06:17
schestowitzbut would not stay around much to 'chat'Nov 22 06:17
schestowitzbecause it's toxic and intoxicating/addictiveNov 22 06:17
Ariadnespeaking of burnout, https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EnaCwzZXUAEP6_T?format=jpg&name=largeNov 22 06:17
schestowitzand no real discovery of facts happens thereNov 22 06:18
schestowitzmany people shouting at one anotherNov 22 06:18
schestowitzon topics that have nothing to do with themNov 22 06:18
schestowitzlike Trump scoffing at medical professionalsNov 22 06:18
schestowitzand he has more "followers" and "likes", so he is totally "legit"Nov 22 06:18
CrystalMathexcuse me but people who support Trump / the GOP are NOT all latino-hating racistsNov 22 06:19
CrystalMathin fact, most of the most vehement Trump supporters i know *are* latinoNov 22 06:19
CrystalMaththey don't hate their own raceNov 22 06:19
CrystalMathi really hate that people are saying that those who didn't support demented biden are necessarily racistNov 22 06:21
CrystalMathBiden himself hates certain nationsNov 22 06:21
CrystalMaththat's why i hate him, because i'm precisely of that nationality he hatesNov 22 06:21
CrystalMathhttps://www.anti-empire.com/joe-biden-1993-serbs-are-illiterate-degenerates/Nov 22 06:22
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Joe Biden, 1993: “Serbs Are Illiterate Degenerates” – Anti-EmpireNov 22 06:22
CrystalMathi've never heard Trump do anything like thatNov 22 06:22
CrystalMathTrump did say that there's "a lot of bad hombres" but that isn't a sweeping statement on all latinosNov 22 06:23
CrystalMathit's just something that is true for literally every group of people - some will always be badNov 22 06:23
CrystalMathwithin that groupNov 22 06:23
CrystalMathit would have made sense for Biden to similarly leave some room in his disgusting tirade, but noNov 22 06:23
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schestowitzDaemonFC[m]: https://jacobinmag.com/2020/11/mcdonalds-walmarts-low-wage-public-subsidies/ Nov 22 06:56
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-jacobinmag.com | The Class War at WalmartNov 22 06:56
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zoobabUPC vote in the main committee this wednesdayNov 22 08:29
schestowitzthey sayNov 22 08:30
schestowitzsee what I wrote aboveNov 22 08:30
schestowitzalso http://techrights.org/2020/11/21/upc-epo-and-kluwer-again/Nov 22 08:30
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Been There, Done That: Team UPC’s ‘October’ Becomes ‘Early November’ and Now Late November | TechrightsNov 22 08:30
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zoobabit seems the plenary is the same dayNov 22 09:43
schestowitzhttps://uclouvain.be/fr/instituts-recherche/juri/crides/actualites/upc-alternatives.htmlNov 22 09:48
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-uclouvain.be | Position paper on the Unified Patent Court (15/10/20) | UCLouvainNov 22 09:49
vZS1So the mobile version of Firefox (and by extension, Tor Browser) has a "Accept risk and continue" button that doesn't work.Nov 22 09:58
vZS1But the "Go Back (Recommended)" button works just fineNov 22 09:59
vZS1For "because its certificate issuer is unknown, the certificate is self-signed, or the server is not sending the correct intermediate certificates."Nov 22 10:00
vZS1Firefox: 83.1.0 (Build #2015776401)Nov 22 10:01
vZS1Tor Browser: 10.0.4 (82.1.1-Release) (Build #2015737897)Nov 22 10:02
vZS1I saw this coming but didn't expect it so soon.Nov 22 10:05
vZS1Time to look for a new browser.Nov 22 10:05
vZS1And boycott everything MozillaNov 22 10:05
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Blue_flameWhich website? I could browse a cert error website fine on fennec by fdroid (Firefox 82)Nov 22 11:00
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vZS1Blue_flame: https://intern.fh-wedel.de/~si/HXmlToolbox/Nov 22 11:19
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-intern.fh-wedel.de | Haskell XML Toolbox 9.2.0Nov 22 11:19
vZS1I'm using Privacy Browser F-droid nowNov 22 11:20
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vZS1My builds just straight up have that button just for show. Using it does nothingNov 22 11:24
vZS1But the reject button works just fineNov 22 11:25
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oiaohmschestowitz: in 2 months Trumps president protection from prosecution goes by by as well.Nov 22 11:32
Blue_flameAh, yes. The button is broke. But, It can be viewed in bromite.  vZS1 Nov 22 11:49
vZS1I'm not putting up with this pile of junk that Mozilla ships any more. Someone sent me an email with Thunderbird not long ago and it sent the email unencrypted even though that was a setting they had before an update.Nov 22 11:51
schestowitzyeahNov 22 11:51
schestowitzthey changed default settingsNov 22 11:51
vZS1This is no longer just a stream of coincidencesNov 22 11:51
schestowitzFirefox will now, for 'security', also rewrite requestsNov 22 11:51
schestowitzyou ask for httpNov 22 11:51
Blue_flameThe bug was reported back in September from v80 before. Use bromite. It's fast smooth and stable compared to ffNov 22 11:51
schestowitzand for sites that don't do https it'll access https anywayNov 22 11:52
schestowitzyielding error messagesNov 22 11:52
vZS1This stretches beyond just FFNov 22 11:52
vZS1Mozilla is actively undermining privacy. Today was the last straw of these "bugs".Nov 22 11:52
schestowitzFirefox is copying the thing it was supposed to replace, to be an alternative toNov 22 11:52
Blue_flameI know. Palemoon on desktop bromite on mobileNov 22 11:52
Blue_flameNot many options otherwiseNov 22 11:53
schestowitzhttps://joindiaspora.com/posts/19501673Nov 22 11:53
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: #mozilla became just #privacy and #security theatre rather than real privacy and security. #firefox likewise. Nov 22 11:53
schestowitzalso new: https://blog.mozilla.org/netpolicy/2020/11/20/here-are-four-key-takeaways-to-cpra-californias-latest-privacy-law/Nov 22 11:53
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-blog.mozilla.org | Four key takeaways to CPRA, California's latest privacy law - Open Policy & AdvocacyNov 22 11:53
schestowitzmozilla 'prick-waving'Nov 22 11:53
schestowitzto sell the mere impressionNov 22 11:53
schestowitzlike Microsoft claiming to be "green"Nov 22 11:53
schestowitzand IBM "tolerant' and "antiracist"Nov 22 11:53
schestowitzimpressions are cheaper than realityNov 22 11:54
vZS1They happen to be so conveniently placed in the pipeline junctions that are critical.Nov 22 11:55
vZS1These "bugs"Nov 22 11:55
schestowitznow thunderbird is still a painNov 22 11:55
schestowitzit try to encrypt everythingNov 22 11:55
schestowitzall the timeNov 22 11:55
schestowitzeven when no keys are availableNov 22 11:55
schestowitzbut that's the only way I can overcome this issueNov 22 11:55
schestowitzshort of letting the accidents happenNov 22 11:56
schestowitzso it's a pain nowNov 22 11:56
schestowitzenigmail was smart enough to know who to encrypt with and who not to bother withNov 22 11:56
vZS1Don't be surprised if Tor is already compromisedNov 22 11:59
vZS1Bunch of cretinsNov 22 11:59
schestowitzna.. I am surprised in case it is NOTNov 22 11:59
schestowitzthey should call it "pretty good anonymity"Nov 22 12:00
schestowitzit might make you anonymous to china and russiaNov 22 12:00
schestowitzmaybeNov 22 12:00
schestowitzbut not to everyone, everywhereNov 22 12:00
schestowitzwe already have many news stories about 'anonymous' people getting snuffed outNov 22 12:00
schestowitzand prosecutedNov 22 12:01
schestowitzbut those people will believe what mainstream press tells them about "anonymity" toolsNov 22 12:01
schestowitzlike signal on a phoneNov 22 12:01
schestowitzwith a phone number suppliedNov 22 12:01
schestowitzEFF recommends that alsoNov 22 12:01
schestowitzso they end up using weak toolsNov 22 12:02
vZS1Protonmail as wellNov 22 12:02
schestowitzas long as they're told by "trusted" parties it's goodNov 22 12:02
vZS1They have your keysNov 22 12:02
schestowitzProtonmail is snakeoilNov 22 12:02
vZS1I knowNov 22 12:02
schestowitzmight as well use whatsappNov 22 12:02
schestowitzdifferent isNov 22 12:02
schestowitzfacebook sellls your dataNov 22 12:02
schestowitzwhatsapp has e2e encryption... between you and facebookNov 22 12:03
schestowitzor it manages privacy key exchange between you and another partyNov 22 12:03
schestowitzwhile working with FBINov 22 12:03
schestowitzit's similar to how Microsoft does disk encryptionNov 22 12:03
schestowitzit uploads to the clown your hashes/keysNov 22 12:04
schestowitzso the "trusted" Microsoft can decrypt your driveNov 22 12:04
vZS1Microsoft and encryption are oxymoronicNov 22 12:04
schestowitzdefeats the whole purpose of itNov 22 12:04
schestowitzI'm told some 'premium' version of it might not upload those to the ClownNov 22 12:04
schestowitzbut who knows...Nov 22 12:04
schestowitzit's proprietary, they can promise anythingNov 22 12:04
schestowitzhttp://techrights.org/wiki/index.php/Microsoft_and_the_NSANov 22 12:05
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Microsoft and the NSA - TechrightsNov 22 12:05
schestowitzwhen Microsoft says "security" it means "national security"Nov 22 12:05
schestowitz"national security" is code for imperialismNov 22 12:05
schestowitzlike hegemonyNov 22 12:05
schestowitzyou're safe as long as you take instructions from US-led (mostly) NATONov 22 12:05
schestowitzotherwise they put you on "lists"Nov 22 12:05
schestowitzto blackmail youNov 22 12:05
schestowitzMany documents about that in techrights.org/wiki/index.php/CablegateNov 22 12:06
schestowitzhttp://techrights.org/wiki/index.php/CablegateNov 22 12:06
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Cablegate - TechrightsNov 22 12:06
vZS1Anyway. Need to look for a desktop browser replacementNov 22 12:06
schestowitze.g. http://techrights.org/2011/12/30/shame-list-for-venezuela/Nov 22 12:06
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Cablegate: President Chavez Smeared for Favouring Free/Open Source Software, Venezuela Added to Shame List | TechrightsNov 22 12:06
schestowitzhttp://techrights.org/2011/09/15/planting-new-laws/Nov 22 12:07
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Cablegate: Microsoft’s “Relationship With the Government” and Pressure for Countries to Adopt Intellectual Monopolies Using Shame Lists | TechrightsNov 22 12:07
schestowitzvZS1: I use falkonNov 22 12:07
schestowitzor qupzilla on older distrosNov 22 12:07
schestowitzseems to work okNov 22 12:07
schestowitznever phoning homeNov 22 12:07
schestowitzit hardly even has a homeNov 22 12:07
schestowitznot even kdeNov 22 12:07
schestowitzit's not shaming sites for not getting cert from Let'sConscriptNov 22 12:08
schestowitz(which is quite pointless imho, does nothing to secure you from sites that sell data)Nov 22 12:08
schestowitz(or from US gov. asking for your stuff with secret NSL)Nov 22 12:09
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vZS1Let's Encrypt doesn't have your private key. But it does harm in other waysNov 22 12:14
vZS1Protonmail is a lot worse for that exact issueNov 22 12:14
vZS1Because they actually have your private keyNov 22 12:15
schestowitzit generates your stuffNov 22 12:15
schestowitzand we don't know if the process itself has integrityNov 22 12:15
schestowitzhttp://techrights.org/2020/03/04/lets-ask-lets-encrypt/Nov 22 12:15
vZS1It does. Because you perform an authentication challengeNov 22 12:15
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Techrights Urges Readers to Ask the Linux Foundation’s Let’s Encrypt (Backed by Companies That Give the NSA Back Doors) Some Hard But Legitimate Questions | TechrightsNov 22 12:15
schestowitzwe have to make assumptionsNov 22 12:15
vZS1Hold onNov 22 12:15
schestowitzand at this level and scale it would be wrong to make positive assumptionNov 22 12:15
vZS1This is importantNov 22 12:15
schestowitzlook who's backing LE financiallyNov 22 12:16
schestowitzI looked at their IRS filingsNov 22 12:16
schestowitzit's 100% LF and the same sponsorsNov 22 12:16
vZS1Let's Encrypt doesn't touch your private certs. You do a challenge that's either DNS or HTTP so it can verify you have control over the IP address or DNS records.Nov 22 12:16
vZS1But it's bad because it reinforces the trust monopolyNov 22 12:17
vZS1That's a subtle detailNov 22 12:17
vZS1Which is important to get right or they'll accuse you of being a hackNov 22 12:17
schestowitzit's also not so useful for actual securityNov 22 12:18
schestowitzthe authentication it does is superficialNov 22 12:18
vZS1That is true, for other reasons.Nov 22 12:18
vZS1But anyway. It's important to get the security details rightNov 22 12:18
schestowitzLE is like a "phoneball"Nov 22 12:19
vZS1It is a bunch of crap, don't get me wrong. TLS trust infrastructure is snakeoilNov 22 12:19
schestowitza very big oneNov 22 12:19
schestowitzphonebookNov 22 12:19
schestowitzwe don't trust DNS blindlyNov 22 12:19
schestowitzwhy should I trust Zemin et al?Nov 22 12:19
vZS1Yep. DNS security is a whole other can of worms.Nov 22 12:20
schestowitzbecause they do a process of verifying with sites that they are in control of their domainsNov 22 12:20
schestowitzbut nothing beyond thatNov 22 12:20
oiaohmschestowitz: Internet it self is a huge can of worms with protocols designed that security was after idea.Nov 22 12:21
schestowitzsometimes it's safe for a site NOT to be registered in the 'phonebook'Nov 22 12:21
schestowitzesp. if the latter is maintained by the likes of ZemlinPACNov 22 12:21
schestowitzoiaohm: right, so can the wwwNov 22 12:22
schestowitznot an internet thingNov 22 12:22
schestowitzwww thingNov 22 12:22
schestowitzdomain system alsoNov 22 12:22
vZS1That's why I'm such a proponent of content-based addressing. You can easily secure information when you work with strong cryptographic hash functions.Nov 22 12:22
schestowitzICANN is a CANN of worksNov 22 12:22
schestowitzwithout a lack of scandalsNov 22 12:22
oiaohmits starts at basic packet routering and comes up.Nov 22 12:22
schestowitzIANA isn't perfect eitherNov 22 12:22
oiaohmLike how do you say I don't want my packets routed though china at any point or anything like that.Nov 22 12:23
schestowitzoiaohm: that's inevitableNov 22 12:23
vZS1They have all sold out any moral ground they haveNov 22 12:23
schestowitzyou can't even trust the routingNov 22 12:23
schestowitzno more than you can trust companies like CiscoNov 22 12:23
schestowitzpeople who work with/for FBINov 22 12:23
oiaohmReally attempting to replace the internet with something nicely secure would also risk giving your own government more control as well.Nov 22 12:24
schestowitznot if it's not centralisedNov 22 12:25
schestowitzpeople learn to distrust authority because power corrupts, absolute power yada tadaNov 22 12:26
vZS1If I tell you a hash on IRC you can just check for yourselfNov 22 12:26
vZS1You don't need to trust meNov 22 12:26
schestowitzand we've repeatedly seen misuse of powerNov 22 12:26
schestowitzhow do you know I'm Roy?Nov 22 12:26
schestowitzfreenode tells you I amNov 22 12:27
schestowitzbecause I logged inNov 22 12:27
schestowitzbut how does Freenode know I'm me?Nov 22 12:27
schestowitzmaybe my IPNov 22 12:27
schestowitzbut how do they know BT isn't lying to them?Nov 22 12:27
schestowitzand on it goesNov 22 12:27
schestowitzthe trust chainNov 22 12:27
oiaohmAnd that is exactly how it could backfire.   A perfectly trustable system could result in everyone identifiable. Nov 22 12:27
schestowitzso even with what we have now it's no infallibleNov 22 12:27
schestowitzand two-factor author is the BIGGEST snakeoil scam there isNov 22 12:28
schestowitzwhere they get people to send stuff over backdoored devicesNov 22 12:28
schestowitzthat several entities can access remotelyNov 22 12:28
oiaohmOr if the two factor is that weak that it can be brute forced.Nov 22 12:28
oiaohmthere have been a few cases like that with different banks.Nov 22 12:29
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oiaohmGood fun having you bank account drained of money because you bank implements 2 factor with on fact as 0 to 1000 with no brute forcing prevention.Nov 22 12:30
schestowitzbanks are not trustworthy anymoreNov 22 12:30
schestowitzthey have insurance policies because they know itNov 22 12:30
schestowitzthat their system is joke securityNov 22 12:30
schestowitzhoax safetyNov 22 12:30
schestowitzlike 'smart' cards and stuffNov 22 12:30
schestowitzthey get you to do transactions on "apps"Nov 22 12:30
schestowitzbecause it's cheaper for themNov 22 12:30
schestowitzthey fire their staffNov 22 12:30
oiaohmFew countries have solid banking security but they are rare.Nov 22 12:30
schestowitzand when people get phished and scams they cover the losses, sometimes, unless they know how to blame the clientNov 22 12:31
oiaohmYou know when you are in one and you go and use your credit/debt card and the person behind counter gets showing photo of who should have card from server.Nov 22 12:31
oiaohmNo photo no card usage.Nov 22 12:31
vZS1Yep. Every bank has a clause somewhere that deflects breaches of device security onto the customerNov 22 12:31
vZS1"You are responsible for security updates ...."Nov 22 12:32
oiaohmThose are countries you don't want to enter without at least some cash.   Ie at least enough to get yourself to a bank a registered.Nov 22 12:32
schestowitzI'd rather do things over the counterNov 22 12:32
schestowitzI know who's responsible for errorsNov 22 12:33
vZS1SameNov 22 12:33
schestowitzwhich happenNov 22 12:33
schestowitzand then they must correct themNov 22 12:33
schestowitzor elseNov 22 12:33
schestowitzthe banks don't like thatNov 22 12:33
schestowitzthey turn you into their zero-cost labourNov 22 12:33
schestowitzand say "smart" while waving their handsNov 22 12:33
oiaohmFair trading ruling in Australia was good.    The you are responsible for security updates is not a legally valid clause for banks here to use.Nov 22 12:34
schestowitzNow you can go into a so-called 'taxi''Nov 22 12:34
schestowitzwith an 'app'Nov 22 12:34
schestowitzlike uberNov 22 12:34
schestowitzand get rapedNov 22 12:34
schestowitzand then they blame "that person who isn't our staff"Nov 22 12:34
oiaohmOr dropped at completely the wrong address because the GPS screwed up as well.Nov 22 12:34
oiaohmSo maybe not the driver.Nov 22 12:35
oiaohmschestowitz: https://www.vice.com/en/article/panan7/truck-falls-into-river-accident-google-maps-directions   I am supprised I have not heard of a UBER or UBER like driver doing this yet.Nov 22 12:36
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.vice.com | A Man Drives His Truck Into a River After Following Google Maps DirectionsNov 22 12:36
schestowitzthat's a different issueNov 22 12:37
schestowitzcan happen to proper taxis alsoNov 22 12:37
schestowitzthey mostly use their spying things, tooNov 22 12:37
schestowitzand sometimes their employer needs these to know which taxi is closest to a callerNov 22 12:37
schestowitzdispatching closest available carNov 22 12:37
oiaohmProper taxis normally have a lot of in car security due to how many times they have been robbed by some party for the small amount of cash they normally have.Nov 22 12:37
schestowitzthey are structured a certain wayNov 22 12:38
schestowitzand you don't get to seat next to the driverNov 22 12:39
schestowitzthe microphone doesn't go to "the clown"Nov 22 12:39
oiaohmDepends on the country.Nov 22 12:39
oiaohmAustralia you can still sit next to the driver but you are 100 percent sure on security camera.Nov 22 12:39
oiaohmOne of the risk reductions for UBER drivers is zero cash.   Same with booking most limos instead of taxis.   stupid as it sounds here in Australia it can be cheaper to book a limo and pay by credit card than using a taxi for the same trip.Nov 22 12:41
oiaohmthat even includes stretched limo.Nov 22 12:42
schestowitzit doesn't matterNov 22 12:42
schestowitzthey can mug people in the streetNov 22 12:43
schestowitzfor even moreNov 22 12:43
schestowitzwho even take a limo now?Nov 22 12:43
schestowitzwith covid and all..Nov 22 12:43
oiaohmThat been interesting the streached limos here have been able to stay operating as the driver and passage part being on independent air-conditioning and air systems.    Cleaning between rides is kind chemically fun mess.Nov 22 12:44
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oiaohmReally stupid having the issue of not being able to get a taxi but able to order a stretched lemo. Nov 22 12:46
oiaohmLemo/limoNov 22 12:46
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oiaohmLot of your non stretched limo had to shutdown at the same time as most of the taxis and uber until restrictions dropped here.Nov 22 12:47
schestowitzthere's no way to properly cleanNov 22 12:47
schestowitzexcept to let them be unused for a weekNov 22 12:48
schestowitzvapour and chemicals will never remove all traces of infected passengersNov 22 12:48
schestowitzmasks and not touching face can mitigate it somewhatNov 22 12:48
schestowitzbut when what kind of limo party of this? More like a hospital ward on wheels.Nov 22 12:48
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oiaohmWhy its a chemical fun mess.   The cleaning solution is ozone.   Of course that does not only basically nuke all viruses it does some quite horrible things to fabrics and other things making up the car.Nov 22 12:53
oiaohmYes it possible to clean the car.   At the price of its internals.Nov 22 12:53
schestowitzthey just tick boxesNov 22 13:06
schestowitzwipe here, wipe thereNov 22 13:07
schestowitz"alright, lad, come on in, it's covid-safe!"Nov 22 13:07
schestowitzsafe for covid anywayNov 22 13:07
schestowitzit's getting high chances of surviving by spreading to the next hostNov 22 13:07
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oiaohmschestowitz: ozone cleaning here was setup a long time ago.   We have some very nasty native viruses that can go person to person.   The method is not wipe.  Its close the air system of the car and proceed to fill with ozone until really strong.   As in if you are in the car you are dead.Nov 22 13:18
oiaohmSo existing system in place and covid-19 virus was not immuneNov 22 13:19
vZS1schestowitz: "No, only lies about both." Might be better using a semicolon or hyphen there. From: "Mortality Rates Increase at the EPO and Christmases (or Holidays) During Corona Mean Fewer Days Off"Nov 22 13:57
schestowitzNo; only... ?Nov 22 13:58
schestowitzseems pedanticNov 22 13:58
schestowitzcan you read my next and more important article?Nov 22 13:58
schestowitzit's a good draftNov 22 13:59
vZS1Sure.Nov 22 13:59
vZS1Link plsNov 22 14:00
schestowitzvZS1: http://techrights.org/2020/11/22/new-position-paper-upc/Nov 22 14:07
schestowitzquickNov 22 14:08
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | New Position Paper on the Unified Patent Court (UPC) Says It’s “Not the Best Solution for Europe” — Clearly an Understatement | TechrightsNov 22 14:08
schestowitzbtw, seems like our connection at home is being throttled down this weekendNov 22 14:11
schestowitznot sure if ipfs daemon plays any role of it, maybe hub issue, maybe just isp-level thing, maybe just 'bad luck'Nov 22 14:11
schestowitzipfs does about 40kb/sec at this moment, that's not terribly highNov 22 14:11
schestowitztwo machines stream videos, that's more likely to be downstream culpritNov 22 14:12
schestowitzeither way, not a complaint as much as an observation. It's not so slow that it's unbearable, just takes a little more patience, esp. for upstreamNov 22 14:13
vZS1schestowitz: "which explains that the UPC is unsustainable, unfit for purpose."Nov 22 14:16
vZS1sounds a bit offNov 22 14:17
vZS1maybe an "and" instead of the comma?Nov 22 14:17
vZS1Rest looks goodNov 22 14:18
vZS1Re: ipfs traffic. If you want a full breakdown of bandwidth you can do the following:Nov 22 14:18
schestowitzit doesn't say unsustainableNov 22 14:20
schestowitzbut unsuitableNov 22 14:21
schestowitzI reworded that bit a littleNov 22 14:21
schestowitzvZS1: I think that at home (did not check) we get about 5gb downstream per dayNov 22 14:21
schestowitzfor upstream it would mostly be rapi, I guessNov 22 14:21
schestowitzthe ISPs don't like upstreamNov 22 14:22
schestowitzfor a lot of reasonsNov 22 14:22
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schestowitzTotalIn: 23 GBNov 22 14:23
schestowitzTotalOut: 9.0 GBNov 22 14:23
schestowitzRateIn: 24 kB/sNov 22 14:23
schestowitzRateOut: 21 kB/sNov 22 14:23
schestowitzit is increasing over time, the ratesNov 22 14:23
vZS1`$ less -f <(for i in $(ipfs id | jq .Protocols[] | sed -n "s:\"\(.*\)\":\1:p");do echo "${i}"; ipfs stats bw --proto "${i}"; echo "---" ;done )`Nov 22 14:23
schestowitzit also keeps all CPU cores busy at about a quarter capacityNov 22 14:24
schestowitz -bash: jq: command not foundNov 22 14:25
vZS1Need to install thatNov 22 14:25
vZS1for parsing JSONNov 22 14:25
schestowitzI turned that into a script, chomd 700Nov 22 14:28
schestowitz*chmodNov 22 14:29
schestowitzit worksNov 22 14:29
vZS1That should give you a protocol-by-protocol breakdown of the bandwidth usageNov 22 14:30
schestowitzbut I don't know the internals of ipfsNov 22 14:30
schestowitzso it does not tell me muchNov 22 14:30
schestowitzexcept main 'offender'/'culprit being bitswapNov 22 14:30
vZS1ThatNov 22 14:30
vZS1That's the one that just handles requests for blocks on the networkNov 22 14:31
schestowitziirc, it only does portions of objectsNov 22 14:31
schestowitzso you cannot really measure things like number of requests per objects across the network, which I suppose it a featureNov 22 14:32
schestowitzprivacy, control-wise etc.Nov 22 14:32
schestowitz[08:32] <schestowitz> >> Short story, that's just not how IPFS works. It's inherently not aNov 22 14:32
schestowitz[08:32] <schestowitz> >> hypertext, click-pressing thing. There are some HTTP gateways, butNov 22 14:32
schestowitz[08:32] <schestowitz> >> they're sort of centralised, which beats the point. Nov 22 14:32
schestowitz[08:32] <schestowitz> > Nov 22 14:32
schestowitz[08:32] <schestowitz> > Ok.  I am not up to speed on what IPFS is and how it works, or even howNov 22 14:32
schestowitz[08:32] <schestowitz> > from a user perspective items are located and retrieved.Nov 22 14:32
schestowitz[08:32] <schestowitz> It helps to think about it like p2p networks, except the listing of what's on the network is done differently to avoid centralisation like TPB.Nov 22 14:32
vZS1I don't think there are many advanced metrics built into IPFSNov 22 14:33
schestowitztech giants love 'rewarding' people with stats vanityNov 22 14:33
vZS1It's mostly bare minimumNov 22 14:33
vZS1Running a network like this generates enough dataNov 22 14:33
vZS1We don't need moreNov 22 14:33
schestowitzI agreeNov 22 14:34
schestowitzego surfing and stuff isn't a good thingNov 22 14:34
schestowitzsocial control media rides thisNov 22 14:35
schestowitzfor "addiction"Nov 22 14:35
schestowitz"your friend"Nov 22 14:35
schestowitz"you got x likes"Nov 22 14:35
schestowitz"show off your holiday pics"Nov 22 14:35
schestowitzI think we need to explain to people that metrics are for a rogue industryNov 22 14:35
schestowitzthat wants to see and measure everythingNov 22 14:35
schestowitzdystopian visionNov 22 14:35
schestowitzeven measuring people's eyelid momvementsNov 22 14:36
schestowitzand tracking mouse movementsNov 22 14:36
vZS1I'm trying to figure out where the damn hash key is on my bluetooth keyboardNov 22 14:36
schestowitzit never ends well, it's that whole mental predicting thingNov 22 14:36
schestowitzlike "what we can compel you to buy NEXT and HOW"Nov 22 14:36
schestowitzkeyboard should not have batteriesNov 22 14:36
schestowitzunless you use a projectorNov 22 14:36
vZS1This is for my spyphoneNov 22 14:37
schestowitzgimmicks like cordless thingsNov 22 14:37
schestowitzeven 'phones' have portsNov 22 14:37
schestowitzunless they're those dumb 'waterproof' thingsNov 22 14:37
schestowitzbecause you always absolutely need to pick up a call while swimming or showringNov 22 14:37
schestowitznow they tell us headphones also need batteriesNov 22 14:38
schestowitznot the ones you use far from the screenNov 22 14:38
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schestowitzbut the ones that only take like 1 meter of fine cable/cordNov 22 14:39
schestowitzand are cheap to replace, no microprocessors in themNov 22 14:39
schestowitzand they then add DRM to those so-called 'headphones' and portsNov 22 14:39
schestowitzbecause "piracy" or somethingNov 22 14:39
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vZS1Back to what I forgot to sayNov 22 14:41
vZS1Bitswap is basically nodes requesting a certain CIDNov 22 14:42
vZS1So it's going to be the most common form of trafficNov 22 14:42
vZS1Because you just ask around until you find a CIDNov 22 14:42
vZS1Bitswap queries the DHTNov 22 14:43
schestowitzhmmm... ddosNov 22 14:43
schestowitzhave to block some thingsNov 22 14:43
schestowitzthought it would stop on its ownNov 22 14:44
schestowitzwasted 2 minutes waitingNov 22 14:44
schestowitznow it's blockedNov 22 14:44
schestowitzabout 1300 reqs/secNov 22 14:44
vZS1ChristNov 22 14:44
schestowitzminuteNov 22 14:44
vZS1Talk about obviousNov 22 14:44
schestowitznot secondNov 22 14:44
schestowitzsorrtNov 22 14:44
schestowitzon wordpressNov 22 14:44
schestowitznot it's back to 450/minNov 22 14:45
vZS1That's still over 20/secNov 22 14:45
vZS1from 1 addressNov 22 14:45
schestowitzyeah, it was slowing down the siteNov 22 14:45
schestowitzand apachetop showed at least one 500 errorNov 22 14:45
vZS1Sounds like a script kiddie to meNov 22 14:45
schestowitzso caused timeouts for someNov 22 14:45
schestowitzI blocked URLs, not IPsNov 22 14:46
vZS1Do you have a packet filter running on the wordpress server?Nov 22 14:46
schestowitzthe datacentre has somethingNov 22 14:47
schestowitzthe datacentre's owner died this month, car accidentNov 22 14:47
vZS1Might want to rate-limit each connection to 1 request per secondNov 22 14:47
schestowitzwe used to do fail2banNov 22 14:48
schestowitzbut many false positives back thenNov 22 14:48
vZS1Never used those kind of toolsNov 22 14:48
vZS1Just ran the OS-native packet filterNov 22 14:49
vZS1with custom codeNov 22 14:49
schestowitzif you run varnish it complicates itNov 22 14:49
schestowitzbecause all the traffic comes from the same placeNov 22 14:49
schestowitzso you need to do the banning at varnish cacheNov 22 14:49
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schestowitzand then you're detached from cms contextNov 22 14:50
schestowitzanyway, we'll be moving to a bigger server soonNov 22 14:50
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schestowitz32 coresNov 22 14:50
schestowitzLinux techrights-ctr-sfo1 5.4.77-0-lts #1-Alpine SMP Thu, 12 Nov 2020 12:21:35 UTC x86_64 LinuxNov 22 14:51
schestowitz$ nproc Nov 22 14:53
schestowitz32Nov 22 14:53
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schestowitzi have a queryNov 22 14:54
schestowitzis there some sort of web-facing thing a site can present about itself?Nov 22 14:55
schestowitzlike, ok... I need to explain betterNov 22 14:55
schestowitzsay you have a bunch of dedicated nodes with the site pinnedNov 22 14:55
schestowitzand you want to show, say... over www with php, which ones are currently onlineNov 22 14:55
schestowitzand what objects are availableNov 22 14:55
schestowitzand maybe act as a gateway for those (www gateway)Nov 22 14:56
vZS1You just tell them what you have pinnedNov 22 14:56
schestowitzis there software for this? Like ""$SITE$ IPFS Status"Nov 22 14:56
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vZS1`$ ipfs pin ls`Nov 22 14:56
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vZS1Prettify that outputNov 22 14:56
schestowitzI reckon some sites have some panelNov 22 14:56
schestowitza front endNov 22 14:56
vZS1I don't really see the point though apart from advertising what you've pinnedNov 22 14:57
schestowitzbear in mind, we don't advertise ipfs yetNov 22 14:57
vZS1The DHT has all that dataNov 22 14:57
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schestowitzexcept in daily irc postsingsNov 22 14:57
schestowitztechrights.org/category/irc-logs/Nov 22 14:57
schestowitzhttp://techrights.org/category/irc-logs/Nov 22 14:58
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | IRC Logs | TechrightsNov 22 14:58
schestowitznotice format change 2 days agoNov 22 14:58
vZS1your /ipfs and /ipfs/txt already advertises all your pinsNov 22 14:58
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schestowitztook a couple of hours to automate this new layoutNov 22 14:59
schestowitzvZS1: someone asked me about gnunet yesterdayNov 22 14:59
schestowitzI don't know enough about itNov 22 14:59
vZS1I don't eitherNov 22 14:59
schestowitzseems rather different from ipfsNov 22 14:59
vZS1Wrong person hereNov 22 14:59
schestowitzgnu taler is even more confusing to meNov 22 14:59
schestowitzI think there might even be overlapNov 22 15:00
vZS1I settled with IPFS because it's minimal and it worksNov 22 15:00
schestowitzI will add ipfs to our top menu nowNov 22 15:01
vZS1Even Bittorrent has grown with bloat without much real innovationNov 22 15:01
schestowitzif you say there's no "fancier" way or presenting itNov 22 15:01
schestowitzlike some back-end php file that will gather info and serve itNov 22 15:02
vZS1Not really aware of suchNov 22 15:02
vZS1If I do find out, I'll let you knowNov 22 15:02
vZS1There's not much to it. You add files, get a CID thrown at you, you share the CID (and keep the data pinned if you're serving)Nov 22 15:03
schestowitzok, addedNov 22 15:04
schestowitzopen any page nowNov 22 15:04
schestowitzsee top right cornerNov 22 15:04
vZS1If you want a static pointer to a node that's changing stuff, you can use IPNS but that's a bit complicated for the average user.Nov 22 15:04
schestowitzI wonder if I should add little icons to the menuNov 22 15:05
vZS1Because that would require managing a public key and updating that IPNS record every time you change the IPFS objects pointed to by that IPNS record.Nov 22 15:05
schestowitzupside - looks neatNov 22 15:05
schestowitzdownside - visitor has more objects to fetchNov 22 15:05
vZS1Let me take a lookNov 22 15:05
MinceRhttps://i.imgur.com/PFvBMMZ.jpgNov 22 15:06
Ariadneschestowitz: put them in a font using fontelloNov 22 15:06
schestowitzAriadne: thanks, looking into itNov 22 15:07
schestowitzMinceR: where's Madison?Nov 22 15:07
MinceR¯\_(ツ)_/¯Nov 22 15:07
schestowitzfontello is on shite-hubNov 22 15:08
schestowitzlooking into itNov 22 15:08
schestowitzmaybe I can just do some unicodeNov 22 15:08
Ariadnewho caresNov 22 15:09
schestowitzseems like that would involve serving extra font filesNov 22 15:09
schestowitzhowever smallNov 22 15:09
Ariadneyes: one fileNov 22 15:09
Ariadnefor all your iconsNov 22 15:10
schestowitzhmm... not sure if all browsers support thatNov 22 15:10
schestowitzI do know unicode is supported by everything from the past decade plusNov 22 15:10
schestowitzlet's see what unicode can offer for these items we haveNov 22 15:10
Ariadneall browsers made in the past decade support icon fontsNov 22 15:11
Ariadnei doubt many people are browsing techrights using IE6Nov 22 15:12
vZS1Btw, description field is mixing up log and bulletin in the indexNov 22 15:12
schestowitzsee IPFS at the top of http://techrights.org/2020/11/22/irc-log-211120/Nov 22 15:12
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | IRC Proceedings: Saturday, November 21, 2020 | TechrightsNov 22 15:12
schestowitztop rightNov 22 15:12
schestowitz&#19913; next to itNov 22 15:12
vZS1Wouldn't it be better to keep the description separate?Nov 22 15:12
Ariadnean internet connected turing machine (e.g. browser) should be kept up to date anywayNov 22 15:12
vZS1Because now the reader doesn't know if the file is a log or bulletin until after they fetch itNov 22 15:13
schestowitzvZS1: it is ambiguousNov 22 15:13
schestowitzas both use .txt extensionsNov 22 15:13
vZS1I'd change thatNov 22 15:13
schestowitzand both use the word techrights in themNov 22 15:13
vZS1The old description is betterNov 22 15:13
schestowitzso I need better regex to resolve ambiguityNov 22 15:13
schestowitzlet me checkNov 22 15:14
schestowitzah, okNov 22 15:14
schestowitzI reconciled on this because if you look at filenameNov 22 15:14
schestowitzthen you know which one is IRC logNov 22 15:14
MinceRhttps://www.smbc-comics.com/comic/theodicyNov 22 15:19
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.smbc-comics.com | Saturday Morning Breakfast Cereal - TheodicyNov 22 15:19
vZS1Ah okayNov 22 15:20
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schestowitz⌂ HomeNov 22 15:22
schestowitzWikiNov 22 15:22
schestowitzI'm finding some handy unicodeNov 22 15:22
schestowitzno extra objects, people already have those on their systemsNov 22 15:22
vZS1Unicode is greatNov 22 15:22
schestowitzat OS/browser levelNov 22 15:22
vZS1Most old terminals emulators support unicodeNov 22 15:22
schestowitzemojis are a painNov 22 15:22
vZS1It's just a matter of having the right fonts installedNov 22 15:23
schestowitzhmm.. musical notes... all in unicodeNov 22 15:23
schestowitzesp. the basic onesNov 22 15:23
schestowitz 1,114,112 charactersNov 22 15:24
XRevan86Where else would they be?Nov 22 15:24
schestowitz✐Nov 22 15:25
schestowitz✏Nov 22 15:25
MinceR⛧Nov 22 15:25
vZS1ZionistNov 22 15:25
vZS1\sNov 22 15:26
MinceRno, that's ✡︎Nov 22 15:26
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MinceRor 🕎Nov 22 15:27
vZS1Ah. My badNov 22 15:27
schestowitzI'm looking for something chat-likeNov 22 15:30
schestowitzor speech/bubbleNov 22 15:31
schestowitzfor IRCNov 22 15:31
schestowitzin standard unicode, not emojiNov 22 15:31
schestowitztoo low on supportNov 22 15:31
XRevan86🙊Nov 22 15:31
schestowitzxchat doesn't even render thoseNov 22 15:31
schestowitzit shows a bunch of junkNov 22 15:31
schestowitzkonversation can copeNov 22 15:31
XRevan86schestowitz: "emoji" is a subset of standard unicodeNov 22 15:31
schestowitzbut it causes issuesNov 22 15:32
schestowitzI'm no charset expert, but...Nov 22 15:32
XRevan86I guess they're too recent for your fonts.Nov 22 15:32
schestowitzenojis break drupal 6Nov 22 15:32
schestowitzat least with our setupNov 22 15:32
schestowitzI need to manually remove thoseNov 22 15:32
DaemonFC[m]It says TSX instructions were removed from Comet Lake.Nov 22 15:32
XRevan86schestowitz: I know why that is.Nov 22 15:32
schestowitzI see lots of tibetian in unicodeNov 22 15:32
MinceR🗨Nov 22 15:32
schestowitzI don't support china is happy about itNov 22 15:32
schestowitzMinceR: renders as crapNov 22 15:32
schestowitzin xchatNov 22 15:33
DaemonFC[m]Probably just no way to fix those side channel attacks.Nov 22 15:33
XRevan86schestowitz: It's not because "emoji", it's because MariaDB's utf8(mb3) type only allows up to 3 bytes for a symbol.Nov 22 15:33
MinceRlooks better in browser >> https://www.compart.com/en/unicode/U+1F5E8Nov 22 15:33
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.compart.com | “🗨” U+1F5E8 Left Speech Bubble Unicode CharacterNov 22 15:33
XRevan86schestowitz: One should use utf8mb4 instead.Nov 22 15:33
schestowitzXRevan86: yeah, that's what I thought was happeningNov 22 15:33
DaemonFC[m]It's really time to declare GNOME deprecated.Nov 22 15:33
schestowitzthat's very long unicodeNov 22 15:33
schestowitz⌂ Home✐ Wiki𝌓 About ↓Patents ↓Antitrust ↓Standards ↓GNU/Linux ↓Privacy ↓Media ↓ ䷉ IPFSIRCRSS♾ BulletinNov 22 15:34
schestowitzthese all show up ok in old software I test withNov 22 15:34
MinceR:)Nov 22 15:35
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XRevan86🅮 – this is not emoji, and it won't work with utf8mb3Nov 22 15:36
schestowitzhi, tr_guest|73448Nov 22 15:36
XRevan86(public domain symbol)Nov 22 15:36
schestowitzThe ones that have subitems I'll leave without icons as it might look confusing (down arrows adjacent)Nov 22 15:37
schestowitz࿃Nov 22 15:37
schestowitzthis is tibetianNov 22 15:37
schestowitznowhere near chat bubble lolllllNov 22 15:37
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schestowitz⾔kangxiNov 22 15:38
schestowitzⓘNov 22 15:38
schestowitzambiguousNov 22 15:38
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schestowitz㋡Nov 22 15:40
schestowitztoo im/chat-likeNov 22 15:40
schestowitzkatakanaNov 22 15:40
DaemonFC[m]schestowitz Kelly Loeffler getting the Coronavirus makes it almost certain that Just Shelton can't get her seat on the Fed.Nov 22 15:41
DaemonFC[m]*JudyNov 22 15:41
DaemonFC[m]Even if McConnell tries bringing it up again in the next week it would simply fail 46-50 this time.Nov 22 15:42
DaemonFC[m]Then in December, Republican Senator Martha McSally loses her seat to Democrat Mark Kelly.Nov 22 15:42
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DaemonFC[m]So even with all members there, the math would come out to 49-51, which would still fail.Nov 22 15:43
DaemonFC[m]This insanity of McConnell refusing to allow proxy votes and Republicans coming down with the virus is leading to a Senate that's paralyzed for the final weeks of Trump's term.Nov 22 15:44
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DaemonFC[m]He could have done far more had he changed the rules which makes me wonder why he didn't.Nov 22 15:44
schestowitzwe're talking about tech,,,Nov 22 15:45
DaemonFC[m]Economics is tech these days.Nov 22 15:45
schestowitzrightNov 22 15:45
schestowitzbut..Nov 22 15:45
DaemonFC[m]We're talking about a tech economy and someone who wants to return to a gold standard.Nov 22 15:45
schestowitzmost of us don't know politicians by their namesNov 22 15:45
schestowitzdon't know who Mark Kelly.Nov 22 15:46
schestowitzdon't know who Mark Kelly is. Nov 22 15:46
schestowitzand I read lots of about US politicsNov 22 15:46
schestowitztech economy is almost an oxymoronNov 22 15:46
schestowitzwhen your gov subsidises techNov 22 15:46
DaemonFC[m]Thankfully, it seems we'll avoid her due to the Republican Party being too stupid to wield power under totally foreseeable circumstances.Nov 22 15:46
schestowitzto dominate the world, infiltrating every server roomNov 22 15:46
schestowitzwith nothing to show for itNov 22 15:46
MinceRhttps://www.smbc-comics.com/comic/natureNov 22 15:46
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.smbc-comics.com | Saturday Morning Breakfast Cereal - NatureNov 22 15:46
schestowitzno financial return demonstratedNov 22 15:47
schestowitzwe have 2 trillion in debtNov 22 15:47
schestowitzUS has 27 and growingNov 22 15:47
schestowitzthe empire overstretches Nov 22 15:47
schestowitzand so you now have a starvation crisisNov 22 15:47
XRevan86🄯 – fourth byte tooNov 22 15:47
schestowitzon top of homelessness, tent cities and allNov 22 15:47
schestowitzXRevan86: darm, rms inside unicode /sarcasmNov 22 15:47
schestowitzwhat does copyleft for text mean?Nov 22 15:48
DaemonFC[m]I think Biden will be able to get quite a bit through the Senate.Nov 22 15:48
schestowitzXRevan86: I completed the setNov 22 15:48
DaemonFC[m]It's easier to do nothing at all when you have a big majority. And a 2 seat Senate majority isn't a big majority.Nov 22 15:48
schestowitz⌂ HomeNov 22 15:48
schestowitz✐ WikiNov 22 15:48
schestowitz䷉ Nov 22 15:48
DaemonFC[m]So there will be a lot of fault lines developing cracks on this issue or that one. Nov 22 15:48
schestowitz⌂ HomeNov 22 15:49
schestowitz✐ WikiNov 22 15:49
schestowitz䷉ IPFSNov 22 15:49
schestowitzℹ IRCNov 22 15:49
schestowitzℜ RSSNov 22 15:49
schestowitznot sure about RSS, could not find anything remotely related tbhNov 22 15:49
XRevan86schestowitz: Could mean that plagiat has to be copyleft as well.Nov 22 15:49
schestowitzbiden will solve littleNov 22 15:49
schestowitzand it's not his fault tbhNov 22 15:49
DaemonFC[m]Party leadership (McConnell) will clash with members who have elections to win soon and ones that want to get their own stuff done. Nov 22 15:49
schestowitzhe'll just carry on passing debt money to his sponsorsNov 22 15:49
schestowitzbroadband, tech etc.Nov 22 15:49
DaemonFC[m]So I don't see him keeping good control over the votes. Nov 22 15:49
schestowitzto keep them happy and richNov 22 15:50
schestowitzwhile failing to salvage the real economyNov 22 15:50
DaemonFC[m]Well, I think Trump is finished. Nobody wants to admit it at this point.Nov 22 15:50
schestowitzand this will result in more disgruntled-turned-deplorableNov 22 15:50
schestowitzmaybe Pence 2024Nov 22 15:50
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DaemonFC[m]They're talking about some 2024 comeback when it's not even clear he'll be alive.Nov 22 15:50
schestowitzhe got nowhere near the same publicity as Agent Orange Nov 22 15:50
schestowitzand he can still aim at those evangelicals and people who have nothing left by "JESUS"Nov 22 15:51
DaemonFC[m]No, I think we're going to either see a shift back to the middle or a second term for Biden.Nov 22 15:51
schestowitz*butNov 22 15:51
MinceR📶Nov 22 15:51
schestowitzcomes up as cruft in xchatNov 22 15:51
schestowitzin older system anywayNov 22 15:52
MinceR:>Nov 22 15:52
DaemonFC[m]I think that Biden support is better than it looks, honestly. It's almost unheard of to even come close to picking off an incumbent president, let alone doing it.Nov 22 15:52
schestowitzin debian 100 xchat handles it okNov 22 15:52
DaemonFC[m]I don't even think Bill Clinton could have done it without Ross Perot being this weird guy with a following.Nov 22 15:52
schestowitzhmm.. just checked "about"... xchat goes back to 1998Nov 22 15:52
DaemonFC[m]There's a lot of people out there who are socially progressive and fiscally conservative. Nov 22 15:53
DaemonFC[m]Perot did get like 20% of the popular vote, almost.Nov 22 15:53
DaemonFC[m]It's pretty clear from those electoral maps that a lot of that support came out of the Republican side, but also true that that was then and this is now.Nov 22 15:53
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DaemonFC[m]Perot had some similarities to Trump, and some differences. He promoted himself at a Washington outsider and a successful businessman, but unlike Trump he was actually a successful businessman.Nov 22 15:54
DaemonFC[m]Trump's been successful in filing bankruptcy 6 times, and maybe a 7th, from prison.Nov 22 15:55
schestowitzBloomberg Nov 22 15:55
schestowitzfailed Nov 22 15:55
schestowitzbut spent, iirc, 250 million on his campaignNov 22 15:55
schestowitzalmost as much as biden candidateNov 22 15:56
schestowitznot nomineeNov 22 15:56
schestowitzand then he handed over the 'MIKE' campaign to JoeNov 22 15:56
DaemonFC[m]He also unleashed $100 million into Florida for Biden, and Biden still lost the popular vote in Florida by 3 pointsNov 22 15:56
schestowitzso basically like illegal campaign fundingNov 22 15:56
schestowitzALSONov 22 15:56
schestowitzBloomberg LP  was the BIGGEST sponsor of the Biden runNov 22 15:56
schestowitzSo Biden won't bite Wall StreetNov 22 15:56
vZS13 icons combine quite well for IPFS: file+pin+shareNov 22 15:56
DaemonFC[m]Florida was just a disaster for Biden, and he was lucky that Trump was quite, quite unpopular in the metro areas of Georgia and Arizona.Nov 22 15:56
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vZS1unicodeNov 22 15:57
schestowitzproof in the screenshots here http://techrights.org/2020/11/08/political-debt/Nov 22 15:57
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Who President Biden is Indebted to (e.g. Google Monopoly and the Financial Sector) | TechrightsNov 22 15:57
schestowitzsource: opensecretsNov 22 15:57
schestowitzvZS1: which ones?Nov 22 15:57
schestowitzI can do submenuNov 22 15:57
DaemonFC[m]It's an odd map.Nov 22 15:57
DaemonFC[m]He was able to counter the loss of Florida by taking two reliably red states. Nov 22 15:58
DaemonFC[m]But Georgia will probably "fix" things to cheat the voters more efficiently next time.Nov 22 15:58
DaemonFC[m]So I wouldn't bet on a repeat. Nov 22 15:58
DaemonFC[m]Means he needs to figure out some other strategy in 4 years or hope that the Republicans just throw their support behind some loser to say they had a candidate.Nov 22 15:59
DaemonFC[m]I think Trump is going to be too damaged to get this kind of showing again even if he's alive at all.Nov 22 15:59
schestowitzhttps://www.thenation.com/article/politics/wisconsins-recount-trump-defeat/ Nov 22 15:59
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.thenation.com | Wisconsin’s Recount Will Only Serve to Confirm Donald Trump’s Humiliating Defeat | The NationNov 22 15:59
DaemonFC[m]He'd be the first person to run from prison since Eugene Debs.Nov 22 16:00
DaemonFC[m]He demanded a second recount in Georgia.Nov 22 16:00
DaemonFC[m]Why not? Taxpayers have to pay for it.Nov 22 16:00
DaemonFC[m]It won't change anything and it will be finished much faster since they're just fed through an optical scanner this time. Nov 22 16:00
DaemonFC[m]I'm skeptical that they'll just keep managing to "find" more bags of votes for him without drawing too much suspicion. Nov 22 16:01
vZS1Something like 📄📌📨Nov 22 16:02
schestowitzthose are not widelt supportedNov 22 16:04
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DaemonFC[m]schestowitz: At this point, another recount might change the statewide total by tens of votes.Nov 22 16:04
DaemonFC[m]Biden's ahead by 12,700.Nov 22 16:04
schestowitzhttps://www.thenation.com/article/politics/trump-prosecute-crimes-biden/ Nov 22 16:04
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.thenation.com | The Perils of Not Prosecuting Trump | The NationNov 22 16:04
schestowitzlike Bush (II)Nov 22 16:04
DaemonFC[m]Regardless the outcome, it's not going to reverse things because there is no "next recount".Nov 22 16:04
XRevan86vZS1: Come on, this is the fourth byteNov 22 16:04
vZS1I don't really know much about the details of fonts and UnicodeNov 22 16:05
schestowitzthose are borderline emojisNov 22 16:05
schestowitzwith colours and all on some systemsNov 22 16:06
schestowitzit's like the "new generation"Nov 22 16:06
XRevan86vZS1: You can just check the codepoint, everything starting with U+10000 is in the fourth byte of UTF-8.Nov 22 16:06
schestowitzwhere each "emotion" even has ethnics variants to itNov 22 16:06
DaemonFC[m]I came across articles urging Biden to pardon Trump.Nov 22 16:06
DaemonFC[m]Didn't work out too well for President Ford.Nov 22 16:06
schestowitzlike "brown hand", "black hand", etc.Nov 22 16:06
DaemonFC[m]But, uh, alrighty. Nov 22 16:06
schestowitznext week they might even do rainbow handsNov 22 16:06
DaemonFC[m]The people would would be incredibly offended and might withhold their vote next time, would all be coming out of Biden's base.Nov 22 16:07
DaemonFC[m]It would change nothing about Biden in the minds of Republican voters.Nov 22 16:07
DaemonFC[m]So he'd be incredibly damaged and with no upside for him.Nov 22 16:07
schestowitzwaitNov 22 16:07
schestowitzhe gave a MEDAL to BushNov 22 16:07
vZS1You assume everyone has hands? That's discrimination!Nov 22 16:07
schestowitzbiden has no morals to stand on Nov 22 16:07
schestowitzhe also praised mccainNov 22 16:07
XRevan86vZS1: Like 📄 is U+1F4C4Nov 22 16:08
schestowitzmccainNov 22 16:08
schestowitzhttp://techrights.org/2020/11/10/biden-shifted-to-the-right/Nov 22 16:08
schestowitzvideoNov 22 16:08
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | President-elect Biden is Already Being Shifted… to the Right | TechrightsNov 22 16:08
XRevan865 digits ⇒ unacceptable for schestowitzNov 22 16:08
schestowitzbush award: http://techrights.org/2020/11/09/biden-riaa-and-mpaa/Nov 22 16:08
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Just for the Record(ing Industry): Joe Biden is an Enemy of Freedom and of Software Freedom | TechrightsNov 22 16:08
schestowitzXRevan86: then we become toy siteNov 22 16:08
DaemonFC[m]https://politicalwire.com/2020/11/22/u-s-economy-hurtles-toward-covid-cliff/Nov 22 16:08
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-politicalwire.com | U.S. Economy Hurtles Toward ‘COVID Cliff’Nov 22 16:08
schestowitzwith emojis showing upNov 22 16:08
schestowitzmyspace-rightsNov 22 16:09
schestowitzeven myspace didn't do emojisNov 22 16:09
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schestowitzit predated 'smart' phonesNov 22 16:09
XRevan86schestowitz: I've seen serious discussions about how white people mustn't appropriate dark skinned emojis.Nov 22 16:09
DaemonFC[m]As economy is scheduled to fail in 20 days or so, CNN be like "Here's Oprah's reading list and Walmart has Black Friday vacuum cleaners!".Nov 22 16:09
XRevan86I think the sentiment is "don't try to look like my ally, you are not"Nov 22 16:10
schestowitzXRevan86: change all emojis of humans to green skinned and be done with itNov 22 16:10
schestowitzsave some font spaceNov 22 16:10
XRevan86On the Internet, everybody has to know what breed of a dog you areNov 22 16:10
schestowitzI suppose some people might say they're offended by "tweets" with the 'wrong' colour of emojis in themNov 22 16:11
schestowitznot inclusive enoughNov 22 16:11
schestowitzand those people would be whites/irish like mjg59 claiming to be concerned 'for' other racesNov 22 16:11
schestowitzraces that were never offended by such tweets in the first placeNov 22 16:11
schestowitzthen they'd have a new P-C font seyNov 22 16:12
vZS1Ah yes. Your lack of the right emoji colour offends me greatlyNov 22 16:12
schestowitzthat overrided the standard oneNov 22 16:12
MinceR🗏Nov 22 16:12
schestowitzor which converts those based on the identity of their userNov 22 16:12
schestowitzto "tailor" for the  device ownerNov 22 16:12
schestowitzand avoid offence, tearsNov 22 16:12
schestowitzeven the brown poo will be turned whiteNov 22 16:13
DaemonFC[m]schestowitz: Twisted psychological manipulation....Nov 22 16:13
schestowitzif you're CaucasianNov 22 16:13
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DaemonFC[m]Prices on Amazon and Walmart tend to change depending on how much a computer program thinks you'll pay.Nov 22 16:13
schestowitzMinceR: shows up as cruft in older OSesNov 22 16:13
XRevan86scientes: You're the most Caucasian here, you'll be our expertNov 22 16:13
XRevan86scientes: Do they? :DNov 22 16:14
vZS1I forgot about Black FridayNov 22 16:14
schestowitzand in here not as monochromeNov 22 16:14
schestowitzBlack friday is awesomeNov 22 16:14
scientes<XRevan86> On the Internet, everybody has to know what breed of a dog you areNov 22 16:14
scienteshahahahahaNov 22 16:14
schestowitzwish we had a public holiday for sales and discounts named after non-blacksNov 22 16:14
schestowitzthey get all the funNov 22 16:14
schestowitzwe just get Memorial DayNov 22 16:15
schestowitzand death stuffNov 22 16:15
DaemonFC[m]schestowitz: I just shop in the store now.Nov 22 16:15
DaemonFC[m]They have no idea who will walk up to that shelf, and changing signage requires employee labor hours and applies to everyone.Nov 22 16:15
schestowitzwith cashNov 22 16:16
scientes<MinceR> 🗏Nov 22 16:16
DaemonFC[m]So these stupid games become impossible when online they can raise the price just for you.Nov 22 16:16
scientescut-and-paste emojiNov 22 16:16
scientesoh no, PageNov 22 16:16
scientesgeezeNov 22 16:16
scienteswhy not just use the block-drawing charactersNov 22 16:16
vZS1It's like HalloweenNov 22 16:16
DaemonFC[m]schestowitz: No point paying cash at Walmart for me.Nov 22 16:16
vZS1Celebrating consumerismNov 22 16:17
DaemonFC[m]I'd lose Mandy's 10% discount and they'd still know who I am.Nov 22 16:17
scientesXRevan86, do *who* [what?]?Nov 22 16:17
schestowitzDaemonFC[m]: that's their tricksNov 22 16:17
DaemonFC[m]Might as well just use the Walmart credit card and take another 2%.Nov 22 16:17
scientesvZS1, how is vZS1 consumerism?Nov 22 16:17
vZS1I'd rather celebrate it as All Saints DayNov 22 16:17
schestowitz'loyalty cards' as punishment for privacyNov 22 16:17
schestowitzyou pay extra to not give your IDNov 22 16:17
scientesvZS1, haloweenNov 22 16:17
XRevan86(1613:07) schestowitz: even the brown poo will be turned whiteNov 22 16:17
XRevan86(16:13:17) schestowitz: if you're CaucasianNov 22 16:17
schestowitzwhich prevents them selling your data like Nectar does here in the ukaniaNov 22 16:17
DaemonFC[m]schestowitz: Yeah, like the infamous $4.99 milk at Kroger, which is $2.18 with your "loyalty card".Nov 22 16:17
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DaemonFC[m]They punish privacy, severely.Nov 22 16:18
schestowitz[16:17] <DaemonFC[m]> Might as well just use the Walmart credit card and take another 2%.Nov 22 16:18
scientesXRevan86, I can assure you that in the out-house largely in disuse in Ureki, the poop is brownNov 22 16:18
schestowitzdon't buy in walmartNov 22 16:18
schestowitzthey punish anonymous shoppersNov 22 16:18
schestowitzthat's why I shop in aldi unless we find discounted somewhereNov 22 16:18
DaemonFC[m]Well, Aldi has what they have.Nov 22 16:19
schestowitzaldi gives no discounts, "di" is almost the discountNov 22 16:19
vZS1Aldi is also generally the cheapestNov 22 16:19
schestowitzaltricht discount iircNov 22 16:19
DaemonFC[m]Not necessarily.Nov 22 16:19
XRevan86scientes: heh :)Nov 22 16:19
DaemonFC[m]Aldi is higher than Walmart in some cases.Nov 22 16:19
DaemonFC[m]So unless you're just there to fill up on pantry staples, don't bother.Nov 22 16:19
schestowitzhttps://jacobinmag.com/2020/11/mcdonalds-walmarts-low-wage-public-subsidies/Nov 22 16:19
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-jacobinmag.com | The Class War at WalmartNov 22 16:19
vZS1I only really buy pantry staplesNov 22 16:20
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DaemonFC[m]Like, canned vegetables at Walmart are generally between 8 and 28 cents more per can than Aldi.Nov 22 16:20
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DaemonFC[m]The name brand canned vegetables are just outrageously expensive.Nov 22 16:20
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DaemonFC[m]You can almost buy 4 cans of corn at Aldi for the cost of 1 can of name brand corn at Walmart.Nov 22 16:21
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vZS1Lidl are being a bit weird. They have some items which are the only type in the store and are quite pricy. More than what you'd even pay in Co-opNov 22 16:21
vZS1I've noticed that a lot in Lidl recently. They limit choice to one type and that type is pretty expensiveNov 22 16:23
schestowitzlidl is indeed weirdNov 22 16:23
DaemonFC[m]I don't know who is giving The Witcher bad ratings.Nov 22 16:25
DaemonFC[m]Netflix seems to be doubling down on it. They renewed it and say a spinoff is on the way, and did an animated movie too.Nov 22 16:25
DaemonFC[m]These critics are bizarre people. That's all I have to say.Nov 22 16:26
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CrystalMaththe witcher sucksNov 22 16:27
DaemonFC[m]I picked up some foreign film in the library a few years ago because it got a 96% on Rotten Tomatoes. It turned out to be about a teenage boy with a foreskin problem fucking a squid from the supermarket in the bathroom.Nov 22 16:27
vZS1I read all the booksNov 22 16:27
vZS1The show isn't badNov 22 16:27
DaemonFC[m]So, that's what the critics like, fuck the critics.Nov 22 16:27
vZS1But they changed a lot if thingsNov 22 16:27
DaemonFC[m]There's a lot of stuff on Rotten Tomatoes that gets 80-90% or more and you watch it and it's just a complete snoozefest. Nov 22 16:28
DaemonFC[m]Or it's just so bizarre and pervy that only a deranged mind would have given it a rating like that.Nov 22 16:28
CrystalMathif genre = "fantasy" then it sucksNov 22 16:29
vZS1Ratings are a waste of timeNov 22 16:29
vZS1Just like social mediaNov 22 16:29
CrystalMathi give it a 1Nov 22 16:29
CrystalMathout of whateverNov 22 16:29
MinceRout of 1Nov 22 16:29
MinceR(floating-point)Nov 22 16:29
CrystalMathMinceR: no, out of at least 10Nov 22 16:29
DaemonFC[m]Facebook is not even worth paying attention to now, if it ever was.Nov 22 16:29
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CrystalMathyou know, i've never seen itNov 22 16:30
vZS1Watch/read/listen to it and make up your own mindNov 22 16:30
CrystalMathi haven't really seen lord of the rings, eitherNov 22 16:30
CrystalMatheven though i watched lord of the ringsNov 22 16:30
CrystalMathbut i fell asleepNov 22 16:30
CrystalMathafter just 15 minutesNov 22 16:30
CrystalMaththat movie is better than sleeping pillsNov 22 16:31
vZS1Ratings are a circle jerk just like social mediaNov 22 16:31
CrystalMathif a movie is just an empty fairytale with no purpose or meaning behind it, i find it ultra boringNov 22 16:31
CrystalMathor if the purpose or meaning is something meant for kindergartenNov 22 16:32
MinceRyeah, being entertained is badNov 22 16:32
MinceRthey must drop ALL the anvilsNov 22 16:32
CrystalMathi don't like 100% realism eitherNov 22 16:33
CrystalMaththat's like serbian TVNov 22 16:33
CrystalMathit's terribleNov 22 16:33
schestowitzI got  2,333,666,232 likes. Now I can save the planet! >> [16:31] <vZS1> Ratings are a circle jerk just like social mediaNov 22 16:33
CrystalMaththe only good way, is to create something that is not realistic, but STILL meaningful and intelligentNov 22 16:33
CrystalMathwell i suppose unless you're making a movie for kids specifically, then fantasy is fineNov 22 16:34
schestowitzif you want fiction, go read twitter.com/realDonaldSlupNov 22 16:35
schestowitzmostly fictionNov 22 16:35
schestowitzwith figment of realityNov 22 16:35
schestowitzlike namesNov 22 16:35
schestowitzthe prince of whalesNov 22 16:35
schestowitzand various wrong namesNov 22 16:35
schestowitzbut based on real countries and peopleNov 22 16:36
schestowitzsometimesNov 22 16:36
schestowitzand civil war with air basesNov 22 16:36
schestowitzlincoln freed them up for aliens to landNov 22 16:36
schestowitzto provide artillery supportNov 22 16:36
CrystalMathIMO the best filmmaker is David LynchNov 22 16:37
schestowitzor check out qanonNov 22 16:37
schestowitzwhat's left of it in twitterNov 22 16:37
vZS1I read rumours of Mark Hamil being cast in the second season of The WitcherNov 22 16:37
schestowitzseeing that many of those cranks are also de-platformed from youtubeNov 22 16:37
MinceR22 173334 < schestowitz> I got  2,333,666,232 likes. Now I can save the planet! >> [16:31] <vZS1> Ratings are a circle jerk just like social mediaNov 22 16:39
*MinceR saves the planet to a fileNov 22 16:39
CrystalMathMinceR: i can't be entertained by stupidNov 22 16:40
MinceRCrystalMath: so if you don't like it, it's got to be stupidNov 22 16:40
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CrystalMathMinceR: no, what i mean is, i can't be entertained by something that's not trying to tell me something profoundNov 22 16:41
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CrystalMathor at the very least interesting enough to be relevantNov 22 16:41
CrystalMaththe only thing that doesn't have this requirement is comedyNov 22 16:42
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MinceRCrystalMath: https://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/AnviliciousNov 22 16:44
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-tvtropes.org | Anvilicious - TV TropesNov 22 16:44
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CrystalMathMinceR: heh, i didn't mean like thatNov 22 16:45
CrystalMathMinceR: i expect artists to obscure the meaning of their workNov 22 16:45
CrystalMathnot just drop itNov 22 16:45
CrystalMathdropping it is, again, stupidNov 22 16:45
CrystalMathbut not alwaysNov 22 16:45
MinceRbut not so much that you won't notice, because then it's "stupid" and you fall asleepNov 22 16:45
MinceRand it has to be there in the first 15 minutes tooNov 22 16:46
MinceRso they had better feed those anvils into a railgunNov 22 16:46
CrystalMatha long-winded story about a bunch of characters going to get rid of a ring is a bad startNov 22 16:47
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CrystalMathmaybe it's obscuring a meaning (based on the first 15 minutes) but it's packing it in a particularly boring packageNov 22 16:47
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CrystalMathi wonder, will AI surpass humans because AI will get better, or because humans will get dumberNov 22 16:55
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MinceRCrystalMath: https://www.smbc-comics.com/comic/ai-3Nov 22 17:01
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schestowitz[16:55] <CrystalMath> i wonder, will AI surpass humans because AI will get better, or because humans will get dumberNov 22 17:11
schestowitzhey, hi, CrystalMathNov 22 17:11
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CrystalMathhi schestowitzNov 22 17:29
schestowitzwhat is "hey hi"?Nov 22 17:30
schestowitzi herd you like hey hi, so I coded some hey hi to emulate the hey hiNov 22 17:31
CrystalMathi'm confusedNov 22 17:31
schestowitzhey hi-aiNov 22 17:31
schestowitzwe joke about itNov 22 17:31
schestowitzwhat is hey hiNov 22 17:32
schestowitzin realityNov 22 17:32
schestowitzdata driven classifiersNov 22 17:32
schestowitze.g. here's 50 images of black menNov 22 17:32
schestowitzand 500 images of non-blacksNov 22 17:32
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schestowitzfigure out for me a classifier that, given an image, will tell me which set it belongs toNov 22 17:32
MinceRhi confused, i'm dadNov 22 17:32
schestowitzso it builds decision treesNov 22 17:32
schestowitzof some kindNov 22 17:32
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schestowitzlike if else ifelse elseif mazeNov 22 17:33
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schestowitzmumbo jumbo, ineffient crapNov 22 17:33
schestowitzbut cheap to build, because "data-driven"Nov 22 17:33
schestowitzno programmer hoursNov 22 17:33
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schestowitzbut now "hey hi" is just any program with if/elseNov 22 17:33
schestowitzso anything with some logic in it gets called "hey hi"Nov 22 17:34
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MinceRi thought it was either data-driven (i.e. machine learning) or a bunch of if statements, but not both :>Nov 22 17:34
schestowitzmachine learning yields a programNov 22 17:34
schestowitzor program with paramters coded into itNov 22 17:34
schestowitzlike thresholdsNov 22 17:34
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schestowitzbut anyway, none of that is newNov 22 17:35
schestowitzthe media hype is newNov 22 17:35
schestowitzand I see even geeks falling for itNov 22 17:35
schestowitzlike they do "clown computing"Nov 22 17:35
schestowitzmainframe was "clown"Nov 22 17:35
schestowitz"app" is just alpha/prototype of actual softwareNov 22 17:35
schestowitzsome two-button thing build from "framework"Nov 22 17:36
schestowitz*builtNov 22 17:36
vZS1They give statistics some awfully fancy names, these daysNov 22 17:36
schestowitzit's cheapening everythingNov 22 17:36
schestowitzand others gainNov 22 17:36
schestowitz"clown" is abstractionNov 22 17:36
schestowitzyou're just some guest with "computer minutes"Nov 22 17:36
vZS1I had a look at some "machine learning"Nov 22 17:36
schestowitzvZS1: how do YOU know? Are you a DATA SCIENTIST?Nov 22 17:36
vZS1It just looks like linear algebra and statisticsNov 22 17:37
schestowitzit isNov 22 17:37
MinceR22 183442 < schestowitz> machine learning yields a programNov 22 17:37
vZS1I don't get what the fuss is all aboutNov 22 17:37
MinceRi thought it yielded a bunch of data (e.g. matrices)Nov 22 17:37
schestowitz"Microsoft HEY HI"Nov 22 17:37
schestowitzthey have commercials now"Nov 22 17:37
schestowitz"talk to the Watson"Nov 22 17:37
schestowitz"Talk to Alexa"Nov 22 17:37
schestowitz"Talk to the jand"Nov 22 17:37
MinceRand then that would be fed to a program that doesn't change as part of the ML processNov 22 17:37
schestowitz"HEY HI will do the rest(tm)"Nov 22 17:37
vZS1Just like quantum computersNov 22 17:38
schestowitzso sit back and restNov 22 17:38
vZS1They can't do things that (partial)recursive functions can't modelNov 22 17:38
vZS1So they're just fast computersNov 22 17:38
schestowitzQC(R)Nov 22 17:39
schestowitzQC(TM)Nov 22 17:39
schestowitzbuy nowNov 22 17:39
schestowitz$200,000,000Nov 22 17:39
schestowitzand then you can do all the "HEY HI"Nov 22 17:39
schestowitzand cold war and stuffNov 22 17:39
schestowitzI heard area 51 has some aliens in itNov 22 17:40
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schestowitzwatch out, the US had "HEY HI" tech of aliens, did ya hear dat Kruschev? Nov 22 17:40
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vZS1Taking the Pi offline. Going to attempt putting OpenBSD on it, tomorrow.Nov 22 17:43
schestowitzwhy?Nov 22 17:44
vZS1Less stuff to manage. Nov 22 17:46
MinceR(cat) https://img.pr0gramm.com/2020/09/14/e2e553850d62e87d.jpgNov 22 17:46
vZS1All my stuff is cross-platform anywayNov 22 17:48
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schestowitzMinceR: Coffee time Nov 22 17:49
schestowitzshe could never sleep after that incidntNov 22 17:49
schestowitzdidn't know whyNov 22 17:49
vZS1Someone asked me what the best thing to come out of Linux isNov 22 18:07
vZS1I said GitNov 22 18:07
vZS1I think I triggered themNov 22 18:07
schestowitzmaybe they think gnu is linuxNov 22 18:11
schestowitzgnu gave us most of what people attribute to linuxNov 22 18:11
schestowitzopenssh is bsdNov 22 18:11
schestowitza lot of people think anything you can run on linux is "LINUX"Nov 22 18:12
schestowitzmaybe thinking even apache is linuxNov 22 18:12
vZS1Pf and libressl are also OpenBSDNov 22 18:16
vZS1I'm migrating the Pi to clear up network and log congestionNov 22 18:21
vZS1So much stuff from Linux and systemd is making my life really harder than it needs to beNov 22 18:21
vZS1All the Pi does is run a few daemons and GNU utilsNov 22 18:22
schestowitzvZS1: see http://techrights.org/2020/11/22/irc-log-211120/Nov 22 18:34
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schestowitzwe improved the layout a bitNov 22 18:34
schestowitzfor ipfsNov 22 18:34
schestowitzany suggestions can helpNov 22 18:34
DaemonFC[m]https://www.cnn.com/2020/11/21/business/voice-of-america-violated-journalists-rights/index.htmlNov 22 18:48
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DaemonFC[m]My dad is convinced that the Supreme Court is going to step in and hand the election to Trump.Nov 22 18:57
DaemonFC[m]If that was going to happen, we wouldn't be talking about 30 lower court rulings in a row that he lost and which aren't even being appealed.Nov 22 18:57
schestowitz"dad" is convince Scientology isn't a scam, eitherNov 22 18:59
schestowitzmaybe "dad" also thinks Biden is a child molester coz QAnon whispered in his side orificeNov 22 18:59
schestowitz>> Even after Microsoft took over.Nov 22 19:01
schestowitz> Nov 22 19:01
schestowitz> There's an old saying: Stallman's freedom ends where corporate briberyNov 22 19:01
schestowitz> and corruption begins.Nov 22 19:01
schestowitzvZS1: figosdev:Nov 22 19:01
schestowitz> There isn't some way for vZS1 to setup a burner email or something so INov 22 19:01
schestowitz> can reach him is there?Nov 22 19:01
schestowitz> Nov 22 19:01
schestowitz> Perhaps you could ask him for me?Nov 22 19:01
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DaemonFC[m]Walmart changed the size of these cloth masks.Nov 22 20:00
DaemonFC[m]So I'm sitting here tying loops in them to fit me better.Nov 22 20:01
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DaemonFC[m]schestowitz: These are meant for someone who weighs like 400 pounds apparently.Nov 22 20:41
DaemonFC[m]Those Hanes masks fit a lot better.Nov 22 20:46
DaemonFC[m]These Netflix ratings are ridiculous.Nov 22 20:49
DaemonFC[m]"Warning: Smoking!"Nov 22 20:49
DaemonFC[m]Masks say one size fits most.Nov 22 20:52
DaemonFC[m]Hmm, apparently except those of us who are still vaguely human shapes.Nov 22 20:52
DaemonFC[m]*shapedNov 22 20:52
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DaemonFC[m]schestowitz: Th California governor French Laundry restaurant scandal is pretty funny.Nov 22 22:12
DaemonFC[m]They're telling us stay in our houses while they do things like this.Nov 22 22:12
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schestowitzhappened here alsoNov 22 22:45
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