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DaemonFC[m]> I've built working PCs just by guessingFeb 29 00:10
DaemonFC[m]I've built better computers and operating system than Apple, by guessing.Feb 29 00:10
MinceRso have iFeb 29 00:12
XRevan86Maybe they got that guy from Apple %)Feb 29 00:12
XRevan86a specialist who thinks differentlyFeb 29 00:12
MinceRdifferently from the people who do thinkFeb 29 00:13
XRevan86Details, details…Feb 29 00:13
MinceR:>Feb 29 00:13
DaemonFC[m]Brave isn't a bad browser. I'm surprised I took so long to try it.Feb 29 00:33
XRevan86DaemonFC[m]: I guess you weren't brave enoughFeb 29 00:43
MinceR:>Feb 29 00:43
DaemonFC[m]I guess I don't like the idea of Brendan Eich too much.Feb 29 00:44
DaemonFC[m]Most homophobes are either fundies or closet gays anyway.Feb 29 00:44
DaemonFC[m]Or both.Feb 29 00:44
XRevan86Was he the one who got kicked out of Mozilla?Feb 29 00:45
DaemonFC[m]Who the hell just randomly says "I'm going to hate gay people so much I'm willing to spend money to oppress them!"?Feb 29 00:45
DaemonFC[m]Yeah.Feb 29 00:45
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XRevan86He donated $1000 to https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2008_California_Proposition_8Feb 29 00:47
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-en.wikipedia.org | 2008 California Proposition 8 - WikipediaFeb 29 00:47
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*XRevan86 had to be reminded of that.Feb 29 00:49
XRevan86I wonder if he ever explained himself over what was going on in his head at the time.Feb 29 00:50
XRevan86https://brendaneich.com/2012/04/community-and-diversity/Feb 29 00:51
XRevan86> I’m not going to discuss Prop 8 here or on Twitter. There is no point in  talking with the people who are baiting, ranting, and hurling  four-letter abuse. Personal hatred conveyed through curse words is  neither rational nor charitable, and strong feelings on any side of an  issue do not justify it.Feb 29 00:51
XRevan86mehFeb 29 00:51
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-brendaneich.com | Community and Diversity – Brendan EichFeb 29 00:51
MinceRi guess it's more effective to convey personal hatred via legislationFeb 29 00:51
XRevan86MinceR: He argues that he is a chill dude, and saying otherwise based on that donation is baadFeb 29 00:52
XRevan86> I challenge anyone to cite an incident where I displayed hatred, or ever treated someone less than respectfully because of group affinity or individual identity.Feb 29 00:53
MinceR"We used to hate people. Now we just make fun of them. It's more effective that way."Feb 29 00:54
XRevan86MinceR: That's how I always operate %)Feb 29 00:55
XRevan86The fact that he wants to keep it private is interesting in on itself.Feb 29 01:01
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XRevan86https://fsfe.org/news/2020/news-20200228-01.html hahFeb 29 01:07
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-fsfe.org | Security scandal around WhatsApp shows the need for decentralised messengers and digital sovereigntyFeb 29 01:07
XRevan86I remember a similiar issue existing in Telegram a few years back %).Feb 29 01:07
XRevan86https://hsto.org/getpro/habr/post_images/cae/bea/3b1/caebea3b15b05d55d6313c5671960eb6.png 2018Feb 29 01:10
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DaemonFC[m]> i guess it's more effective to convey personal hatred via legislationFeb 29 01:35
DaemonFC[m]Well, they collectively spent almost $50 million on Prop 8 and lost.Feb 29 01:35
DaemonFC[m]The lawyers made money.Feb 29 01:35
DaemonFC[m]Everything is a matter of public record.Feb 29 01:36
DaemonFC[m]If you don't want to draw condemnation for it, stay out of it.Feb 29 01:36
DaemonFC[m]Mozilla did not do anything about it. They offered him a different "C-Level" position when he tendered his resignation.Feb 29 01:39
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AriadneDaemonFC[m]: preciselyFeb 29 02:23
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GuyResearchingPaJust wanted to point out a glaring error in your article that I wasted time reading: “Why getting patents is smart for domain name companies” was the headline of this article from last week. It’s very bad advice in the post-Alice world because software patents are very weak now. So who’s behind such advice? As usual, it’s the shamelessFeb 29 03:11
GuyResearchingPaself promoters. To quote: “As a bit of background, I once worked in the intellectual property group of a Fortune 500 company. My job was to license non-patented software technology for commercialization, but I also saw the inner-workings of patent programs.”Feb 29 03:11
GuyResearchingPa…. "So what we have here is a site about domain names promoting abstract patents in this domain; but the person who wrote the article is no domain expert, just a patent profiteer, as usual."Feb 29 03:11
GuyResearchingPaClicking the link you provided redirects to an article on Domain Name Wire (https://domainnamewire.com), "Why getting patents is smart for domain name companies,"Feb 29 03:14
GuyResearchingPaauthored by Andrew Allemann.Feb 29 03:14
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-domainnamewire.com | Domain Name Wire | Domain Name News - Domain Name Industry NewsFeb 29 03:14
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GuyResearchingPaDid you even try Googling who Andrew Allemann is before you conjectured about him? He is the founder and editor of … domainnamewire.com. So he qualifies as a domain name expert. You on the other hand may want to rethink labeling yourself as a "software engineer" Feb 29 03:17
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schestowitzdoes not contradict what we wrote, but anyway...Feb 29 03:20
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scienteswell obviously WhatsApp won't be secureFeb 29 06:15
scientesI mean, they try to pretend with all the encryption key stuffFeb 29 06:15
scientesbut that article is horrible, because the contact list is more important than the contents of the messagesFeb 29 06:16
scientesand that is a very difficult problemFeb 29 06:16
scientes"By the time I'm old enough there won't be a frenchman to be killed."Feb 29 06:16
scienteshehehe, War and PeaceFeb 29 06:17
scientesAudrey Hepburn is such a tulip. It is quite something how the movies mean that the portrait ages, and the person stays the same age.Feb 29 06:17
scientesXRevan86, I still like the Hollywood version better :)Feb 29 06:18
DaemonFC[m]It's Facebook (PRISM) saying they have a secure messaging app that they can't read.Feb 29 06:27
DaemonFC[m]How stupid would you have to be to believe them?Feb 29 06:27
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scientesDaemonFC[m], hehehe, I once tunneled OTP over Facebook, when their XMPP was more featurefulFeb 29 06:32
scientesand when I looked at the histroy, it was flagged as "encrypted conversation"Feb 29 06:32
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schestowitzThe offending message from ESR can be seen at the bottom here: http://lists.opensource.org/pipermail/license-discuss_lists.opensource.org/2020-February/021328.htmlFeb 29 07:40
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-lists.opensource.org | [License-discuss] Ethical open source licensing - Dual Licensing for JusticeFeb 29 07:40
schestowitzvia https://placeholderapi.wordpress.com/2020/02/28/esr-message-toFeb 29 07:40
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-placeholderapi.wordpress.com | #esr message to #osi — the one that got him banned — I cannot fin… | Dr. Roy Schestowitz (罗伊)Feb 29 07:40
schestowitz"Feb 29 07:41
schestowitzYou can’t find it because they censored it off the list and our of the archives.Feb 29 07:41
schestowitzThis is the brave new OSI, embracing the suppression of its founder’s words.Feb 29 07:41
schestowitz     by Eric S. Raymond February 28, 2020 at 12:47 pm edit commentFeb 29 07:41
schestowitzReplyFeb 29 07:41
schestowitzIt’s only quoted on the mailing list but it exists.Feb 29 07:41
schestowitzhttp://lists.opensource.org/pipermail/license-discuss_lists.opensource.org/2020-February/021328.htmlFeb 29 07:41
schestowitz"Feb 29 07:41
schestowitzThanks for the pointerFeb 29 07:41
schestowitzI think there's no evidence of physical threat or even threat to employment in it. Unless I'm missing something else.Feb 29 07:42
schestowitzEric,Feb 29 07:43
schestowitzI'm confident that success at, um, fending this attack will benefit fromFeb 29 07:43
schestowitzour calm responses to the issues and our avoidance of responses thatFeb 29 07:43
schestowitzundermine the effectiveness of this list or further feed into the politics.Feb 29 07:44
schestowitzThis is not my first time seeing this conversation come up, nor it isFeb 29 07:44
schestowitzyours. OSD is not so fragile, nor is your counterattack so effective as toFeb 29 07:44
schestowitzbe helpful. Given the public nature of open source conversations, theFeb 29 07:44
schestowitzexpectations we have to participate in professional discourse, etc. let'sFeb 29 07:44
schestowitzfocus on ensuring the OSD continues to define open source properly.Feb 29 07:44
schestowitzLet me suggest that OSI members review the candidates who are running forFeb 29 07:44
schestowitzthe 2020 Board of Directors for the OSI and consider their voteFeb 29 07:44
schestowitzhttps://wiki.opensource.org/bin/Main/OSI+Board+of+Directors/Board+Member+Elections/2020+Individual+and+Affiliate+Elections/Feb 29 07:44
schestowitzGil Yehuda: I help with external technology engagementFeb 29 07:44
schestowitz>From the Open Source Program OfficeFeb 29 07:44
schestowitz<https://developer.yahoo.com/opensource/docs/> at Yahoo --> Oath - ->Feb 29 07:44
schestowitzVerizon MediaFeb 29 07:44
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-wiki.opensource.org | 2020 Board of Directors Election Candidates (Main.OSI Board of Directors.Board Member Elections.2020 Individual and Affiliate Elections.WebHome) - XWikiFeb 29 07:44
schestowitzOn Wed, Feb 26, 2020 at 1:09 PM Eric S. Raymond <esr at thyrsus.com> wrote:Feb 29 07:44
schestowitz> Gil Yehuda via License-discuss <license-discuss at lists.opensource.org>:Feb 29 07:44
schestowitz> > Personally I'm confused about the details of the ESD, but that's OK, if IFeb 29 07:44
schestowitz> > wanted to, I'd join the working group and learn more about it.Feb 29 07:44
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-developer.yahoo.com | About our Open Source Program Office (OSPO) - Yahoo Developer NetworkFeb 29 07:44
schestowitz>Feb 29 07:44
schestowitz> Here is everything you need to know about the ESD:Feb 29 07:44
schestowitz>Feb 29 07:44
schestowitz> * Its originator is a toxic loonytoon who believes "show me the code"Feb 29 07:44
schestowitz>   meritocracy is at best outmoded and in general a sinister supremacistFeb 29 07:44
schestowitz>   plot by straight white cisgender males.Feb 29 07:44
schestowitz>Feb 29 07:44
schestowitz> * The actual goal of the movement behind the ESD is to install politicalFeb 29 07:44
schestowitz>   officers on every open-source project, passing on what constitutesFeb 29 07:44
schestowitz> "ethical"Feb 29 07:44
schestowitz>   and banishing contributors for wrongthink.  Even off-project wrongthink.Feb 29 07:44
schestowitz>Feb 29 07:44
schestowitz> * They have already had an alarming degree of success at this throughFeb 29 07:44
schestowitz>   the institution of "Codes of Conduct" on many projects.  This *has*Feb 29 07:44
schestowitz>   led to the expulsion of productive contributors for un-PCness; it'sFeb 29 07:44
schestowitz>   not just a problem in theory.Feb 29 07:44
schestowitz>Feb 29 07:44
schestowitz> * The "Persona Non Grata" clause is best understood as an attempt toFeb 29 07:44
schestowitz> paralyzeFeb 29 07:44
schestowitz>   resistance to such political ratfucking by subverting theFeb 29 07:44
schestowitz> freedom-centeredFeb 29 07:44
schestowitz>   principles of OSI.  It is very unlikely to be the last such attempt.Feb 29 07:44
schestowitz>Feb 29 07:44
schestowitz> Make no mistake; we are under attack. If we do not recognize theFeb 29 07:45
schestowitz> nature of the attack and reject it, we risk watching the best featuresFeb 29 07:45
schestowitz> of the open-source subculture be smothered by identity politics andFeb 29 07:45
schestowitz> vulgar Marxism.Feb 29 07:45
schestowitz> --Feb 29 07:45
schestowitz>                 <a href="http://www.catb.org/~esr/">Eric S. Raymond</a>Feb 29 07:45
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.catb.org | Eric S. Raymond's Home PageFeb 29 07:45
schestowitz>Feb 29 07:45
DaemonFC[m]Yahoo....Feb 29 08:04
DaemonFC[m]hehFeb 29 08:04
schestowitzyupFeb 29 08:04
schestowitzbutFeb 29 08:04
DaemonFC[m]Verizon....Feb 29 08:04
schestowitznot his faultFeb 29 08:04
schestowitzthat he's in verizon nowFeb 29 08:04
schestowitztried to keep his jobFeb 29 08:04
DaemonFC[m]That's how Feminazis see everything.Feb 29 08:06
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DaemonFC[m]If there are standards they don't want to be held to, it must be an evil plot from men.Feb 29 08:07
DaemonFC[m]In the US, healthcare is one of the few things that still pays enough money to live on.Feb 29 08:11
DaemonFC[m]Women have set up a toxic culture of workplace harassment that drives men out of nursing.Feb 29 08:11
DaemonFC[m]When they bitch about it, it's because they don't produce video games and programs that people want to use, and then they blame men for turning software into a complete sausagefest.Feb 29 08:13
DaemonFC[m]And then after they piss us the hell off and some random guy says "Up yours, die!", in frustration, it's more proof of a conspiracy.Feb 29 08:13
DaemonFC[m]Women are running the show for the most part whether they say it or not.Feb 29 08:15
DaemonFC[m]And any time someone doesn't go soft on them for being a woman, then it's a conspiracy again.Feb 29 08:15
DaemonFC[m]If you're a guy and you do a shit job, nobody thinks twice about letting loose on you.Feb 29 08:16
DaemonFC[m]If CoCs were going to change much of anything, we'd be seeing an uptick in women in software, and we aren't.Feb 29 08:16
tedboxDaemonFC[m]: Feb 29 08:19
tedboxWe're discussing how to handle the #esr #osi thing. The details will be transparently apparent in tomorrow's IRC logs.Feb 29 08:19
tedboxI was going to neither defend nor attack him, just show what OSI is censoring for people to decide if physical threats were, indeed, insinuated.Feb 29 08:19
tedboxthere's more on this in other channels of oursFeb 29 08:19
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roy-older-boxbut we try to handle this carefullyFeb 29 08:19
roy-older-boxas some people would twist his words as ours otherwise...Feb 29 08:19
roy-older-box[08:11] <DaemonFC[m]> Women have set up a toxic culture of workplace harassment that drives men out of nursing.Feb 29 08:25
roy-older-boxany articles on  this? I heard something similar from someone else, maybe wrt flight attendantsFeb 29 08:26
roy-older-boxthe newspeak for steward/essFeb 29 08:26
DaemonFC[m]My personal experience and those of others I heard from.Feb 29 08:28
roy-older-boxmen?Feb 29 08:29
DaemonFC[m]I thought it might have been my fault but I found out it's pretty common for them to just gaslight you and nothing you do is right.Feb 29 08:29
DaemonFC[m]Yeah.Feb 29 08:29
roy-older-boxor female nurses?Feb 29 08:29
DaemonFC[m]The women. They want the place to themselves but they don't control the hiring, so you get in somewhere and then the coworkers and low level supervisors ride your case about stuff until you resign.Feb 29 08:31
roy-older-boxrianne says, based on her relatives, many men who are nurses are gayFeb 29 08:31
schestowitz> I'm not finding anything obvious under that caption.  I expect from theFeb 29 08:35
schestowitz> context that it is about either ejecting people from projects to gainFeb 29 08:36
schestowitz> control by non-technical, hostile parties or weakening and fragmentingFeb 29 08:36
schestowitz> FOSS via licensing.  Or both.  I guess for the time being ESR should notFeb 29 08:36
schestowitz> risk going hiking in Norway.Feb 29 08:36
schestowitzFor FOSS/Wikileaks overlaps see (first link):Feb 29 08:36
schestowitzhttp://www.tuxmachines.org/node/134607Feb 29 08:36
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Censorship in GNU and in Debian | Tux MachinesFeb 29 08:36
schestowitz> There *is* another context for ethics, perhaps all the above is toFeb 29 08:36
schestowitz> distract from that: there are growing calls for developers not to misuseFeb 29 08:36
schestowitz> their talents facilitating things like Uber or Palantir and so on.  ThatFeb 29 08:36
schestowitz> is a legitimate topic but one that has little chance of getting off theFeb 29 08:36
schestowitz> ground.Feb 29 08:36
schestowitzFinancial insecurity as a driver. Less social security etc. means risk of homelessness for being too picky.Feb 29 08:36
DaemonFC[m]<roy-older-box "rianne says, based on her relati"> Gay people are only barely tolerated in the Philippines. Probably because of all the religion.Feb 29 08:39
DaemonFC[m]The Muslims are worse than the Christians, but what else is new?Feb 29 08:40
DaemonFC[m]https://www.zdnet.com/article/google-says-microsoft-edge-isnt-secure-i-asked-why/Feb 29 08:41
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Google says Microsoft Edge isn't secure. I asked Google why | ZDNetFeb 29 08:41
DaemonFC[m]Vivaldi was getting crap like this and locked out Google sites and others.Feb 29 08:41
DaemonFC[m]It reports that it is chrome now. Feb 29 08:41
schestowitz> *All of my best decisions in business and in life have been made withFeb 29 08:43
schestowitz> heart, intuition, guts... not analysis. If you can make a decision withFeb 29 08:43
schestowitz> analysis, you should do so. But it turns out in life that your mostFeb 29 08:43
schestowitz> important decisions are always made with instinct, intuition, taste, heart.*Feb 29 08:43
schestowitz> *Feb 29 08:43
schestowitz> *Feb 29 08:43
schestowitz> https://www.inc.com/marcel-schwantes/jeff-bezos-says-your-most-important-decisions-in-life-should-always-be-made-this-way-but-it-will-make-many-uncomfortable.html?utm_medium=40digest.7days3.20200228.carousel&utm_source=email&utm_content=&utm_campaign=campaignFeb 29 08:43
schestowitzIt helps that this con man does not pay tax and is propped up by his government.Feb 29 08:43
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Jeff Bezos Says Your Most Important Decisions in Life Should Always Be Made This Way (but It Will Make Many Uncomfortable) | Inc.comFeb 29 08:43
schestowitzDaemonFC[m]: vivaldi is a binary blobFeb 29 08:43
schestowitzI see no appeal in it, no reason to use itFeb 29 08:44
schestowitzjust because it doesn't say "Google" on it?Feb 29 08:44
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MinceR29 084106 < DaemonFC[m]> https://www.zdnet.com/article/google-says-microsoft-edge-isnt-secure-i-asked-why/Feb 29 17:19
MinceRthis article was a pure waste of all the time i've spent on itFeb 29 17:20
MinceRthen again, what did i expect from zdnet...Feb 29 17:20
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CrystalMathgoogle chrome isn't secureFeb 29 17:44
MinceRneither is Idiot Exploiter: Electric BoogalooFeb 29 17:45
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schestowitzZDNet, MinceR http://techrights.org/wiki/index.php/ZDNetFeb 29 18:04
schestowitzsee 2020 articlesFeb 29 18:04
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | ZDNet - TechrightsFeb 29 18:04
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DaemonFC[m]This one didn't even mention Bing and Windows pressuring people to use Edge.Feb 29 18:17
MinceRno microsloth shill wouldFeb 29 18:17
DaemonFC[m]I was reading about IE Mode in the Chromium Edge and I was like eww gross.Feb 29 18:22
DaemonFC[m]IE is never really going away.Feb 29 18:22
DaemonFC[m]Trident as part of IE 4/5 was ported to UNIX without ActiveX support.Feb 29 18:24
DaemonFC[m]But I'm guessing the Mac and Linux versions of Edge won't have IE Mode.Feb 29 18:24
XRevan86I never even considered that they would.Feb 29 18:26
MinceRis IE Mode an embedded IE via RadioActiveX?Feb 29 18:28
XRevan86Is it automatically enabled for websites that are in the Microsoft's compatibility list?Feb 29 18:29
XRevan86I think yes and I think that that's exactly what it's there for.Feb 29 18:30
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acer-boxhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n4wj3KDf2moFeb 29 19:15
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DaemonFC[m]IE Mode is Trident with ActiveX support.Feb 29 19:39
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DaemonFC[m]You have to enable it as part of Group Policy though, so it can't just be triggered by a website.Feb 29 19:39
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XRevan86DaemonFC[m]: Oh. Then it looks like too much effort for a "feature" that has to be enabled with a Group Policy.Feb 29 19:43
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MinceR(audio:important) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oSzgCDIUzq0Feb 29 20:17
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-"Indians are Cheap" | Russell Peters - Red, White, and Brown - YouTubeFeb 29 20:17
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tedboxhaFeb 29 20:27
tedboxI guess for him those jokes are OKFeb 29 20:28
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MinceRtherefore they're OK for everyoneFeb 29 20:29
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MinceRhttps://66.media.tumblr.com/585826da51a181d69b80176e6dc63106/2f072029ba9685ff-cb/s640x960/830a0ecc4ccfebd870d7fc9f2bbd90c54bf6ae90.pngFeb 29 20:43
XRevan86MinceR: :'-(Feb 29 20:44
DaemonFC[m]The IE "Zone based security model" was such a huge fuck up that it's still a thing.Feb 29 20:46
DaemonFC[m]https://www.theverge.com/2020/2/26/21154096/brave-browser-wayback-machine-404-internet-archive-lost-pagesFeb 29 20:46
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.theverge.com | Brave browser now automatically points to Wayback Machine on 404 - The VergeFeb 29 20:46
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MinceRhttps://ircz.de/p/19120237Feb 29 21:05
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-ircz.de | IRCZ makes your life worth living Post objectFeb 29 21:05
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XRevan86(20:17:24) MinceR: (audio:important) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oSzgCDIUzq0Feb 29 21:16
XRevan86What a strange person.Feb 29 21:16
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MinceR:)Feb 29 21:17
DaemonFC[m]https://nakedsecurity.sophos.com/2020/02/27/brave-beats-other-browsers-in-privacy-study/Feb 29 21:30
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-nakedsecurity.sophos.com | Brave beats other browsers in privacy study – Naked SecurityFeb 29 21:30
DaemonFC[m]schestowitz: That awful ZDNet article said that Edge was better for privacy than Firefox.Feb 29 21:30
DaemonFC[m]But this detailed study shows it's actually the worst browser for privacy and that nothing you can do will turn off personally identifying info going to Microsoft.Feb 29 21:30
DaemonFC[m]You can turn off some, but not the worst of it.Feb 29 21:31
MinceRempirical evidence shows that a lot of useds are satisfied by being able to turn off _some_ of the spying activities the products they use haveFeb 29 21:32
MinceRand they will defend it fiercelyFeb 29 21:32
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DaemonFC[m]I wrote this on my Facebook.Feb 29 21:34
*DaemonFC[m] sent a long message: < https://matrix.org/_matrix/media/r0/download/matrix.org/kQGLxnPhPAkNvAoVeMYHHbVh >Feb 29 21:34
MinceRhttps://ircz.de/p/19120235Feb 29 21:35
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-ircz.de | IRCZ makes your life worth living Post objectFeb 29 21:35
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*DaemonFC[m] sent a long message: < https://matrix.org/_matrix/media/r0/download/matrix.org/lKYTbmyAZbWmiqbpnlgxzysU >Feb 29 21:46
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*DaemonFC[m] sent a long message: < https://matrix.org/_matrix/media/r0/download/matrix.org/ciiYlFHfVQZnyuRIyzcSpGWp >Feb 29 22:01
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DaemonFC[m]I don't even think that Firefox is worth the space on my SSD anymore, honestly.Feb 29 22:09
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DaemonFC[m]They had an identity crisis and then a budget crisis.Feb 29 22:11
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DaemonFC[m]They'll be gone in a few more years.Feb 29 22:11
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