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DaemonFC[m]TrueSep 30 00:05
DaemonFC[m]California's new law banning gasoline cars is a real joke.Sep 30 00:05
DaemonFC[m]15 years from now. So like, you just buy them as a used car. People will do that.Sep 30 00:06
DaemonFC[m]Doesn't solve a problem.Sep 30 00:06
DaemonFC[m]I think it's a fake out.Sep 30 00:07
DaemonFC[m]You know, Trump's going after their fuel economy law, so they are signing "voluntary agreements" with the manufacturers that implement them anyway.Sep 30 00:07
DaemonFC[m]This way if you don't all sign the agreement you're going to have your product banned.Sep 30 00:07
-viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: Python Programming http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/142681 [https://pleroma.site/objects/937a25b6-a723-447c-8065-045fd17adf6d]Sep 30 00:08
DaemonFC[m]They can't approach it that way because courts would strike it down.Sep 30 00:09
DaemonFC[m]But they can change their minds once the manufacturers have all agreed to the California standards.Sep 30 00:09
schestowitz15 is a long timeSep 30 00:09
schestowitza lot can change in this period of timeSep 30 00:09
schestowitzwars, population crises, alternatives, either to tech or to the econpmySep 30 00:10
schestowitzfunny when politicians set targets for 2050Sep 30 00:10
schestowitzfew of them will live until thenSep 30 00:10
schestowitzunless they're young politicians in their 40sSep 30 00:10
schestowitzbut they'll have retired by thenSep 30 00:11
MinceRthat's why they set targets for 2050Sep 30 00:11
schestowitzyupSep 30 00:11
schestowitzthe "one day" politiciansSep 30 00:11
DaemonFC[m]Or Biden can get in and restore the Obama-era plan.Sep 30 00:11
schestowitz"my grandkids will do what I was SUPPOSED to do"Sep 30 00:11
DaemonFC[m]<schestowitz "but they'll have retired by then"> Mike Madigan.Sep 30 00:12
DaemonFC[m]He's been House Speaker in Illinois since 1980 except between 1995-1997 when the Republicans took the majority.Sep 30 00:12
DaemonFC[m]We just finished repealing some of the laws that they passed then, like the trigger law that would have made abortion illegal in Illinois if Roe v. Wade was reversed.Sep 30 00:13
DaemonFC[m]schestowitz: E-Verify is optional in Illinois but 85% of employers use it.Sep 30 00:14
DaemonFC[m]The state tried to ban it, but a federal court struck that down.Sep 30 00:14
DaemonFC[m]I think another approach shouldbe tried.Sep 30 00:14
DaemonFC[m]You want to use E-Verify? You can, but your taxes go up 33%.Sep 30 00:15
DaemonFC[m]Businesses do whatever's cheaper.Sep 30 00:18
DaemonFC[m]Paying fines if the feds catch them employing undocumented immigrants would be cheaper than paying 1/3rd more corporate tax to the state.Sep 30 00:19
DaemonFC[m]If the courts review it again, it will be about state taxation authority, not banning E-Verify.Sep 30 00:19
schestowitz"Are leftists insane? - Should you vote?"Sep 30 00:21
schestowitzhttp://www.stephankinsella.com/paf-podcast/kol301-tales-from-the-crypt-bitcoin/Sep 30 00:21
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.stephankinsella.com | KOL301 | Tales from the Crypt: BitcoinSep 30 00:21
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-viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: Updated LibreOffice growth infographic (2020) http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/142662#comment-26542 [https://pleroma.site/objects/859636bf-b22d-4537-91a6-f7e37207ea86]Sep 30 00:32
smnthermeshttps://archive.is/ZH1PXSep 30 00:33
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-archive.is | Yuval Levental | Autism Wiki | FANDOM powered by WikiaSep 30 00:33
smnthermesFound this article mentioning TechRightsSep 30 00:33
schestowitzhe wrote for usSep 30 00:34
schestowitze.g. http://techrights.org/2016/11/06/yuval-levental-on-hiring-program/Sep 30 00:34
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Microsoft Grossly Exaggerates the Value of its Hiring Program for People with Autism, by Yuval Levental | TechrightsSep 30 00:34
schestowitza few moreSep 30 00:34
schestowitzhttp://techrights.org/2016/12/17/bill-gates-and-donald-trump/Sep 30 00:34
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Guest Post on Bill Gates and Donald Trump | TechrightsSep 30 00:34
schestowitzRelated to http://techrights.org/2020/09/05/the-microsoft-rip-article/Sep 30 00:34
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | The Tragic Stories of Microsoft Mishandling People With Special Needs (to the Point Where Some Needlessly Die) | TechrightsSep 30 00:34
schestowitz"Levental had an article published at Techrights.com referencing Microsoft's support for diversity in employment of Autistics" https://archive.is/ZH1PX#selection-923.0-923.124Sep 30 00:36
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-archive.is | Yuval Levental | Autism Wiki | FANDOM powered by WikiaSep 30 00:36
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schestowitzhe was also here in IRC on occasions, decent person...Sep 30 00:36
DaemonFC[m]nfSep 30 00:55
DaemonFC[m]I think the cat was walking on my laptop again.Sep 30 00:56
DaemonFC[m]I hate this place.Sep 30 00:56
MinceR:3Sep 30 00:59
schestowitzyou still have a cat?Sep 30 01:23
*schestowitz misses Jabba's photosSep 30 01:32
DaemonFC[m]Two cats.Sep 30 01:33
schestowitzokSep 30 01:52
schestowitzMinceR: DaemonFC[m] want to read the next article on IBM war on words?Sep 30 02:11
schestowitzthe draft is ready nowSep 30 02:12
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-viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: More on GNU/Linux at Dell http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/142635#comment-26543 [https://pleroma.site/objects/9e985f96-6df5-448b-b9b3-cac95ef33cba]Sep 30 02:40
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XRevan86https://translate.google.com/translate?sl=ru&u=https%3A%2F%2Froskomsvoboda.org%2F62704%2F worst kind of personSep 30 03:00
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-translate.google.com | Google TranslateSep 30 03:00
-viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: Intel Hardware and Linux Work http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/142686 [https://pleroma.site/objects/51950513-bfff-4e69-8936-d991988bd3d1]Sep 30 03:02
schestowitzXRevan86: Google censoring Russian media some moreSep 30 03:03
schestowitzin EnglishSep 30 03:03
schestowitzso all those Western whistleblowers who turn to Russian publishers... silencedSep 30 03:04
schestowitzGoogle isn't hiding what it is anymoreSep 30 03:04
schestowitzXRevan86: speaking of censorship...Sep 30 03:04
schestowitzwant to check my next post if I publish it prematurely?Sep 30 03:04
XRevan86schestowitz: Is this about RT?Sep 30 03:04
schestowitzNoSep 30 03:04
schestowitzbeyondSep 30 03:04
XRevan86schestowitz: I need sleep %).Sep 30 03:05
schestowitzAlso https://communalnews.com/twitter-removes-russian-media-from-searches/Sep 30 03:05
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-communalnews.com | Twitter Removes Russian Media from Searches - Communal NewsSep 30 03:05
XRevan86schestowitz: Hard to sympathise here, they have it coming.Sep 30 03:07
schestowitzit starts like thisSep 30 03:08
schestowitzthey did this to wikileaks too, allegedlySep 30 03:08
schestowitzlocked them out of accountsSep 30 03:08
schestowitzmade them hard to see/findSep 30 03:09
schestowitzthis helps criminals dodge evidenceSep 30 03:09
schestowitztwitter as a concept is badSep 30 03:09
schestowitzall social control mediaSep 30 03:09
schestowitzno neutralitySep 30 03:09
schestowitzwe need rss feedsSep 30 03:09
schestowitzeach site to its ownSep 30 03:09
schestowitzwith links between sitesSep 30 03:09
schestowitzXRevan86: want to read with me?Sep 30 03:09
schestowitzit's a draft, now done..Sep 30 03:10
schestowitzI am asking a second person.. for this particular topicSep 30 03:10
XRevan86schestowitz: O.K., bring it on.Sep 30 03:10
schestowitzas it's sensitive and I don't want to be blinded by own bias...Sep 30 03:10
XRevan86But I'm not at my sharpest %).Sep 30 03:10
schestowitzOK, here we go: http://techrights.org/2020/09/29/saying-no-to-tyrants/Sep 30 03:10
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Learning to Say “No!” to Tyrants | TechrightsSep 30 03:10
schestowitzabout the substance as much as the English/grammar/typosSep 30 03:11
XRevan86Can I read Swedish? No, apparently, I can't.Sep 30 03:11
Chaekyungneed something translated XRevan86 ?Sep 30 03:12
XRevan86Chaekyung: The picture there is in a Scandinavian language.Sep 30 03:12
schestowitzChaekyung: I used the image you postedSep 30 03:13
schestowitzreused ratherSep 30 03:13
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Chaekyunguhm.. that's not SwedishSep 30 03:15
ChaekyungNot even sure what language "lk vrees geen man" isSep 30 03:16
schestowitzafraid of no manSep 30 03:16
XRevan86It's DutchSep 30 03:18
XRevan86"ik" is actually a dead giveaway, but I got confused.Sep 30 03:19
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XRevan86Wait, is "blackmail" actually targeted now or is that just arguing about the next logical step after "blacklist"?Sep 30 03:23
schestowitzit's targetedSep 30 03:23
schestowitzafaikSep 30 03:23
schestowitzone step at a timeSep 30 03:23
schestowitzeven "crazy" and "lame" are targetedSep 30 03:24
XRevan86schestowitz: Do you have sauce for "blackmail"?Sep 30 03:24
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schestowitzsource?Sep 30 03:26
schestowitzscroll aboveSep 30 03:26
schestowitzto around 10pm my timeSep 30 03:26
schestowitzI left that out from this articleSep 30 03:26
schestowitzit's in the IRC logs, which will be linked to in 4 hours or thereabouts, as usualSep 30 03:26
schestowitz[22:46] <schestowitz> >> Blackmail was originally a term from the Scottish BordersSep 30 03:27
schestowitz[22:46] <schestowitz> > <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scottish_Borders> meaning paymentsSep 30 03:27
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-en.wikipedia.org | Scottish Borders - WikipediaSep 30 03:27
schestowitz[22:46] <schestowitz> > rendered in exchange for protection from thieves and marauders.^[3]Sep 30 03:27
schestowitz[22:46] <schestowitz> > <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blackmail#cite_note-merriam-webster.com-3>[7]Sep 30 03:27
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-en.wikipedia.org | Blackmail - WikipediaSep 30 03:27
schestowitz[22:46] <schestowitz> > <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blackmail#cite_note-West-7>[10]Sep 30 03:27
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-en.wikipedia.org | Blackmail - WikipediaSep 30 03:27
schestowitz[22:46] <schestowitz> > <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blackmail#cite_note-10> The "mail" partSep 30 03:27
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-en.wikipedia.org | Blackmail - WikipediaSep 30 03:27
schestowitz[22:46] <schestowitz> > of blackmail derives from Middle English /male/ meaning "rent orSep 30 03:27
schestowitz[22:46] <schestowitz> > tribute".^[11]Sep 30 03:27
XRevan86https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/blackmail easier to look in WiktionarySep 30 03:30
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-en.wiktionary.org | blackmail - WiktionarySep 30 03:30
XRevan86> Scots: "From black (“bad”) +‎ mail (“rent”). "Sep 30 03:30
*XRevan86 faints.Sep 30 03:30
XRevan86Cancel the Scottish people for being racist! All of them just to be sure.Sep 30 03:31
XRevan86Stalin used to deport the nations that betrayed the ideals of the international.Sep 30 03:32
*schestowitz searches google for "ibm blackmail"Sep 30 03:32
schestowitzgets mostly PR spamSep 30 03:33
schestowitzabout how ibm tackles scamsSep 30 03:33
schestowitzhttps://www.thedrum.com/news/2018/07/17/ibm-sues-groupon-167m-alleging-patent-theftSep 30 03:33
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.thedrum.com | IBM sues Groupon for $167m alleging patent theft | The DrumSep 30 03:33
schestowitztechrights in page #1 of the resultsSep 30 03:34
schestowitzhttp://techrights.org/2018/07/26/software-patents-blackmail-by-microsoft-ibm/Sep 30 03:34
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Microsoft Patent Trolls and IBM Against 35 U.S.C. § 101 and for Software Patents, Blackmail | TechrightsSep 30 03:34
schestowitzhttps://consent.yahoo.com/v2/collectConsent?sessionId=3_cc-session_afe45fe5-c968-4a99-bd89-8b695176ec9dSep 30 03:34
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-consent.yahoo.com | HuffPost is now a part of Verizon MediaSep 30 03:34
schestowitzit names blackmailSep 30 03:34
schestowitzhttp://www.stlamerican.com/news/editorials/why-is-black-always-a-bad-word/article_9fdf3fd1-a263-536a-8b11-a80d4dcfe0b1.htmlSep 30 03:35
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Why is ‘black’ always a bad word? | Editorials | stlamerican.comSep 30 03:35
schestowitz"GitHub to replace racially-loaded terms (master, slave, blacklist and ... negative (black magic, blackmail, blacklist) while everything white has a ..."Sep 30 03:35
schestowitzGitHub to replace racially-loaded terms (master, slave, blacklist and ... negative (black magic, blackmail, blacklist) while everything white has a ...Sep 30 03:36
schestowitzfrom discussion on MS ZDNet https://www.zdnet.com/article/github-to-replace-master-with-alternative-term-to-avoid-slavery-references/Sep 30 03:36
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-GitHub to replace "master" with alternative term to avoid slavery references | ZDNetSep 30 03:36
schestowitzhttps://dev.to/vnbrs/github-to-replace-racially-loaded-terms-master-slave-blacklist-and-whitelist-mnpSep 30 03:36
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-dev.to | GitHub to replace racially-loaded terms (master, slave, blacklist and whitelist) - DEVSep 30 03:36
schestowitzhttps://forums.theregister.com/forum/all/2020/07/13/linux_adopts_inclusive_language/Sep 30 03:37
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-forums.theregister.com | Linus Torvalds banishes masters, slaves and blacklists from the Linux kernel, starting now • The Register ForumsSep 30 03:37
schestowitz"Or to people failing to comprehend words like blacklist and ascribing some"Sep 30 03:37
schestowitz"No, there isn't. There is absolutely zero body count related to the terminology used in the Linux kernel. Or to people failing to comprehend words like blacklist and ascribing some non-existent racist connotation. Suggesting otherwise is the kind of idiotic nonsense that is rapidly propelling me along the road towards becoming an indifferent arsehole."Sep 30 03:37
XRevan86> To call a Black person articulate or “well-spoken” is to suggest that you expect the opposite to be true.Sep 30 03:38
XRevan86Good to know, I guess. Anything else?Sep 30 03:38
XRevan86> Critics call casual usage of the term by non-Natives cultural appropriation.Sep 30 03:39
XRevan86I wonder what neo-pagans think about that…Sep 30 03:40
schestowitzoh wowSep 30 03:42
schestowitzthen you start wondering why people stop talking to womenSep 30 03:43
schestowitzas it might be "harassing" themSep 30 03:43
schestowitzif they don't want to speak but do not make it even knownSep 30 03:43
schestowitzfor "fear"Sep 30 03:43
schestowitzand then the same for minoritiesSep 30 03:43
schestowitzas you might offend them without realising itSep 30 03:43
schestowitzthat harms both minorities and women, who are actually a majority by the way (more of them than men)Sep 30 03:44
schestowitznowadays merely staring at someone can be interpreted as racism and sexismSep 30 03:44
schestowitzand frankly I cannot see how it helps when people become oversensitive to these thingsSep 30 03:44
schestowitzit leads people to just not wish to associate with themSep 30 03:45
schestowitzEven in the workplace that can be an issueSep 30 03:45
schestowitzlike being accused of "bullying a lady"Sep 30 03:45
schestowitzfor merely talking down a stupid proposalSep 30 03:45
schestowitz(that happens to come from - gasp - not a male)Sep 30 03:45
schestowitzYou're more inclined to not resist bad proposalSep 30 03:46
schestowitzas they might say it's construed as intolerance Sep 30 03:46
schestowitzexampleSep 30 03:46
schestowitzLF Board member: let's move everything Linux to GitHubSep 30 03:46
schestowitzLinus: no, GitHub exec, please let us keep our Git in our controlSep 30 03:47
schestowitzIf he said that's a "stupid" ideaSep 30 03:47
schestowitzmedia might then spin that as "Linus calls woman stupid"Sep 30 03:47
oiaohmschestowitz: there have been issues with black and white list with interpretation due to different groups usages.   Its like some of the problems with the word default where some setting so we are seeing more presets or factory presets being used instead of default.Sep 30 03:50
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MinceRhttps://ircz.de/p/20011641Sep 30 11:45
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-ircz.de | IRCZ makes your life worth living Post object (4286978)Sep 30 11:45
MinceRhttps://pbs.twimg.com/media/EjHKnY2UwAARkF7.jpg:origSep 30 11:53
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scientesMinceR, oh that is greatSep 30 12:15
scientesand I even feel that way about Teddy RoseveltSep 30 12:15
scienteseven though he had his fansSep 30 12:16
XRevan86MinceR: The quoter clearly alludes to Trump, but the US has no functioning democracy.Sep 30 12:19
scientesreally?Sep 30 12:19
scientesactually, scratch thatSep 30 12:19
MinceRXRevan86: twitler was one step in breaking down the democracy in uhmericaSep 30 12:20
scientesXRevan86, really? no functioning democracy?Sep 30 12:20
MinceRit's going to get worse soon, if they manage to get that fundamentalist on the supreme courtSep 30 12:20
scientesplease shut upSep 30 12:20
XRevan86scientes: FPTP + the house of representatives + lack of control over voting = yesSep 30 12:20
*scientes is not even going to look up that acronym because he doesn't careSep 30 12:21
MinceRfirst past the post :>Sep 30 12:21
scientesthat only scratches the surfaceSep 30 12:21
scientesof the disfunctionSep 30 12:21
MinceRprobably the worst way to voteSep 30 12:21
scientesbut more disfunction is betterSep 30 12:21
scientesit slows things downSep 30 12:21
scientesand the slower it goes the lighter the fall isSep 30 12:22
scientesbut I don't think you can beat the CCCP on that one :)Sep 30 12:22
MinceRwe get to watch :>Sep 30 12:22
zoobabpatent maximalism dream of reverting Alice via a new member of SCOTUS, having a conservative majoritySep 30 12:23
scienteszoobab, none of those words mean anything to meSep 30 12:24
scientesyou can't issue patents if you don't have a governmentSep 30 12:24
scientesone of my favorite pasttimes is exploiting the inability to detect sarcasm on the internetSep 30 12:25
scientesit fits my humor styleSep 30 12:26
scienteshmm I installed a uyghur font and the mongolian stuff went from boxes with numbers in them, to just boxesSep 30 12:28
scientesaparently there are "mongolian" fontsSep 30 12:34
scientesso unicode daes Han unification, but decises mongolian, written in the uygher script, gets its own block?Sep 30 12:34
scientesyay, got font nowSep 30 12:38
scientesᠮᠤᠩᠭᠤᠯ ᠤᠯᠤᠰSep 30 12:38
scientesinteresting, it will print LTR in my IRCSep 30 12:39
scientesheh https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Mongolian_wikipedia_preview.pngSep 30 12:41
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-en.wikipedia.org | File:Mongolian wikipedia preview.png - WikipediaSep 30 12:41
scientesyeah, not much precedent for web pages with virtical languagesSep 30 12:41
MinceR:)Sep 30 12:41
scientesand Japanese and Chinese switch to LTRSep 30 12:41
scientesand KoreaSep 30 12:41
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kingoffranceslowing things down...seems like that means corporatocracy speeds upSep 30 13:37
kingoffranceor do all the other non "gov" players just magically disappear?Sep 30 13:38
kingoffranceseems like it would create a power vacuumSep 30 13:38
kingoffrancewhich will be filledSep 30 13:38
kingoffranceby non "gov" entitiesSep 30 13:39
XRevan86scientes: It's not the surface, it's the underlying rotten layer.Sep 30 13:56
XRevan86Can't have democracy without pluralism.Sep 30 13:58
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oiaohmkingoffrance: Really https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Corporatocracy  is really a subform of Plutocracy.   The reality is we don't really see full blown real world corporatocracy yet we hear the word thrown around alot.    Closest example to full blow corporatocracy is really the insane world of  ferengi in start treck done badly and the profit race in Time Jam: Valerian & Laureline done quite well to show the problems.Sep 30 14:06
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-en.wikipedia.org | Corporatocracy - WikipediaSep 30 14:06
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oiaohmkingoffrance: there is a true kind of modern example I missed for a Plutocracy that is really close to a Corporatocracy.   Its the City of London voting rights of each company on what City of London will do is based on number of employees the company has in the city of london.Sep 30 14:10
oiaohmYes you have no rights in the future of that place if you are not a company.Sep 30 14:11
MinceRhttps://boards.4channel.org/g/thread/77902963/the-windows-xp-source-code-was-leaked-online#p77903099Sep 30 14:11
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-boards.4channel.org | /g/ - >>The Windows XP source code was leaked online tod - Technology - 4chanSep 30 14:11
kingoffrancewell trump made one comment at debate seemingly not comprehendedSep 30 14:13
kingoffrance401ks are tied to stocksSep 30 14:13
kingoffrancethey have to bail them outSep 30 14:13
kingoffranceelse the 401ks tankSep 30 14:13
kingoffrancedue to repeal of glass-steagallSep 30 14:13
kingoffranceso i would argue that is a distinction without a difference, plutocracy vs. corporatocracy, since that is how they define "the economy": are the stocks looking good?Sep 30 14:14
schestowitzcovid will kill them before they reach thatSep 30 14:14
schestowitztrump will be on team covidSep 30 14:14
schestowitzeugenics teamSep 30 14:14
oiaohmkingoffrance: City of London has a long history with horrible stocks things as well.Sep 30 14:15
schestowitz[12:23] <zoobab> patent maximalism dream of reverting Alice via a new member of SCOTUS, having a conservative majoritySep 30 14:15
schestowitzbeing 'conservative' does not necessarily imply thatSep 30 14:16
schestowitzit's not so much a 'wing' thingSep 30 14:16
schestowitzScalia was no massive fans of bad patentsSep 30 14:16
schestowitzhe died, he was considered 'conservative'Sep 30 14:16
MinceRand so he diedSep 30 14:16
schestowitz*fanSep 30 14:16
schestowitzMinceR: not a moment too soonSep 30 14:16
schestowitzhe was an arseSep 30 14:16
schestowitzdied in his sleep iircSep 30 14:17
schestowitztoadSep 30 14:17
MinceRso many great arguments for abolishing the stateSep 30 14:17
schestowitzlibertarians want thatSep 30 14:19
schestowitzsome sects of those nuts anywaySep 30 14:19
schestowitznot clear what they meansSep 30 14:19
schestowitzthey float some conceptsSep 30 14:19
schestowitzindigenous people have no states in a real senseSep 30 14:19
schestowitzand I don't envy their lifestylesSep 30 14:20
oiaohmkingoffrance: Really there is a worse from of too big to fail in City of London history.   There is a horrible cases of hey we will just kill the slaves and claim the insurance because we are too big to fail.Sep 30 14:20
schestowitzthey die young while suffering, from things we can nowadays cure easilySep 30 14:20
MinceRthat's not a function of the stateSep 30 14:21
schestowitzcowboys don't work wellSep 30 14:22
oiaohmkingoffrance: really a fully focused  Corporatocracy style in history would not care if they destroyed you 401ks as if you had no super you would have to work for the Companies for longer.Sep 30 14:22
schestowitzhospitals are large structuresSep 30 14:22
schestowitzand institutions with referrals to expertsSep 30 14:22
schestowitzso like I said, if you abolish the state, then you need to define the state and the process for removing itSep 30 14:22
schestowitztowns and civilisations typically had something akin to state with chiefs and occupations, exchangesSep 30 14:22
MinceRhospitals can operate as private organizations, for-profit or charity or even bothSep 30 14:23
schestowitznomads with rifles also need to buy their ammo somewhereSep 30 14:23
schestowitzthey don't make their own gunpowders and bullet shellsSep 30 14:23
schestowitz(many libertarians envision them like this)Sep 30 14:23
MinceRthere's nothing in them that needs you to accept a bunch of sociopaths as having the right to tell you what to believe and how to live your lifeSep 30 14:23
oiaohmMinceR: history says not a good idea hospitals operating too far private.     Heck even charity based hospitals here were know for doing bad things like forced abortionsSep 30 14:24
schestowitzTed unabomber had a shit lifeSep 30 14:24
MinceRplenty of ammo are already made by private enterprises, no need for the state to do thatSep 30 14:24
schestowitzand i suppose the "state" did not interfere muchSep 30 14:24
schestowitzstatelessness is no pipe dreamSep 30 14:24
MinceRoiaohm: so bad things can happen without the state, so let's just double down on the bad things?Sep 30 14:24
schestowitzif you kill someone or someone is killed, who holds them accountable?Sep 30 14:24
schestowitzyou shoot them backSep 30 14:24
schestowitzcapture and torture?Sep 30 14:24
schestowitzor whatSep 30 14:25
schestowitz?Sep 30 14:25
MinceRother people will hold you accountableSep 30 14:25
MinceRas long as they don't want themselves to be killed randomlySep 30 14:25
schestowitzthat's vigilanteSep 30 14:25
MinceRso?Sep 30 14:25
schestowitza bit like gangsSep 30 14:25
MinceRstill not as bad as giving a bunch of people the exclusive right to use violence against youSep 30 14:25
MinceRwhich then they abuse to protect the interests of the rich and powerfulSep 30 14:26
oiaohmReally different areas of medical https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pharmaceutical_Benefits_Scheme  Like Australia PBS show the state can apply critical force.Sep 30 14:27
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-en.wikipedia.org | Pharmaceutical Benefits Scheme - WikipediaSep 30 14:27
oiaohmMinceR: like it or not you need so much regulation or you end up with companies and minority groups causing lots of problems.Sep 30 14:28
oiaohmPBS makes companies fight to provide best price for items for a complete country instead of being able to go around individually gouging as much as they can.Sep 30 14:29
MinceRand if you have so much regulation, you'll end up with companies and minority groups controlling that regulationSep 30 14:29
MinceRand through it, youSep 30 14:29
schestowitztask:Sep 30 14:29
schestowitzfund the most ridiculous IBM pageSep 30 14:30
MinceRyou'll keep liking that "critical force" until it hits youSep 30 14:30
schestowitzor articleSep 30 14:30
schestowitzabout how IBM supports womenSep 30 14:30
schestowitzI am working on a new articleSep 30 14:30
schestowitzwith Nixon audio about IBM's presSep 30 14:30
oiaohmMinceR: Australia has lower minority groups controlling regulation due to mandorary votingSep 30 14:30
oiaohmSo how system is design is important.Sep 30 14:31
schestowitzI have lost track of "worst of femmewashing" by IBMSep 30 14:31
schestowitzbut I saw some examples over the yearsSep 30 14:31
schestowitzI will debunk their propagandaSep 30 14:31
MinceRoiaohm: the government is a minority groupSep 30 14:32
oiaohmMinceR: in Australia case it a fairly big minority think when you look the number of people direction involved one way or another is 10% of the populationSep 30 14:37
MinceRso if 10% of the population decides you must adopt a different religion, you will happily comply?Sep 30 14:38
oiaohmHigh percentage of population than some years voted in the USA president in the USA.Sep 30 14:38
oiaohmMinceR: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Freedom_of_religion_in_Australia  Legally they cannot do that.      Government in Australia to change something  Constitution requires the complete population to vote.Sep 30 14:41
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-en.wikipedia.org | Freedom of religion in Australia - WikipediaSep 30 14:41
MinceRyeah, because a government has never ignored its constitution beforeSep 30 14:41
MinceRand more importantly, the armed forces of a government have always cared whether their orders were in full compliance with the constitutionSep 30 14:42
oiaohmMinceR: Australia breach of constitution triggers 3 possible groups.  1 the Governor general who can command armies and dismiss governments.  2. Australian police forces(yes breaking Constitution is a crime)  3.  General citizen rights to citizen arrest and prosecute.Sep 30 14:47
MinceRyeah, i've never seen such measures work, everSep 30 14:48
oiaohmSo yes armed forces and governments do care about proveable breaches of ConstitutionSep 30 14:48
MinceRthey just do what they're told and if it is found out that they were in the wrong, someone gets to sue them maybe... after they've already killed youSep 30 14:48
oiaohmWe have see people in parlement arrested so removed from parlment for good for breachs of Constitution in this country.Sep 30 14:48
MinceRthat's niceSep 30 14:49
MinceRit doesn't happen in most placesSep 30 14:49
oiaohmOnce arrested and convicted of breach of Constitution in our system you are legally out for good.Sep 30 14:49
oiaohmfrom head of any government position.lSep 30 14:49
oiaohmHeck as even a government servent.Sep 30 14:50
oiaohmOur system really takes Constitution serous-ally.Sep 30 14:50
oiaohmIts why 3 parties are allowed to enforce it.Sep 30 14:50
oiaohmOut side government.,Sep 30 14:50
oiaohmIts also why every vote for Australia to come a stand alone republic has failed.  How will you put in someone in the governer general role who will not like a USA president.Sep 30 14:52
MinceRmakes me wonder how the monarch is allowed to fuck all of that up on a whimSep 30 14:53
MinceRs/how/how much of that/Sep 30 14:53
MinceRor whateverSep 30 14:53
oiaohmMonarch legally is not allowed todo much other than sack the governer general and trigger another one to be selected.,Sep 30 14:54
oiaohmBasically Australia has stripped the Monarch of all direct powers.Sep 30 14:54
oiaohmBut as indirect oversight so you cannot just appoint who ever as governer general it works.Sep 30 14:55
oiaohmProblem is how to replace that system in a Republic.Sep 30 14:56
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schestowitzany takers on IBM?Sep 30 15:11
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DaemonFC[m]There would be no special election in death, resignation, or successful impeachment of a sitting president, byt it's never gone past the sitting vice president.Sep 30 15:24
DaemonFC[m]Even though it could theoretically go all the way down to Secretary of Homeland Security.Sep 30 15:25
DaemonFC[m]In the line of succession, the DHS secretary is even lower than Interior or Agriculture, because those departments already existed.Sep 30 15:25
DaemonFC[m]The only three ways that don't involve cooperation from the president for him to be removed from office are successful impeachment, death, or a declaration of presidential incapacity that is forced on him by a majority of his own cabinet. Sep 30 15:35
DaemonFC[m]But to successfully remove him by decree of the cabinet is difficult if he wants to resist. He can fire any member of the cabinet that he wants to, so if he gets word that they're planning  to do it, he could just keep firing them until nobody does it. Sep 30 15:36
DaemonFC[m]It's really meant to be used if he gets sick or taken hostage or something. Sep 30 15:36
DaemonFC[m]You really just have to be careful because there's basically no way to get a sitting president out until his term expires unless a good chunk of his own party in the Senate has turned on him.Sep 30 15:38
DaemonFC[m]Almost happened to Nixon.Sep 30 15:38
DaemonFC[m]It would be much better if there was a way to oust the entire government and start over. Sep 30 15:39
DaemonFC[m]Many states have a recall petition for state officials. Some have tried to apply it to their Congressmen and US Senators, byt it was struck down.Sep 30 15:40
DaemonFC[m]https://patch.com/illinois/libertyville/126k-mail-ballots-sent-lake-co-so-far-officialsSep 30 15:44
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-126K Mail-In Ballots Sent In Lake Co. So Far: Officials | Libertyville, IL PatchSep 30 15:44
DaemonFC[m]I'm kind of concerned about Republicans setting up fake drop boxes, to be honest.Sep 30 15:44
DaemonFC[m]You know, put them on the corners in some neighborhoods. Like black neighborhoods or something.Sep 30 15:45
DaemonFC[m]No clue where mine is.Sep 30 15:46
DaemonFC[m]They said they planned to keep mailing about 1,500 per day in Lake County after the initial drop.Sep 30 15:47
DaemonFC[m]I told them to send mine to the PO Box and it saod my ballot was "issued" last Thursday.Sep 30 15:48
DaemonFC[m]But with them being so swamped, I could see how it would get delayed in the staggered mailings.Sep 30 15:49
DaemonFC[m]At the rate they're pushing them out, they probably won't be done sending the backlog out for another week.Sep 30 15:49
DaemonFC[m]The mail in voting campaign has been pretty successful in Illinois so far. About 6% of the bote was by mail in 2018, and already about a third of registered voters in the state have requested a mail in ballot. The lines to do early in person voting are still backed up for about an hour at any time.Sep 30 15:53
schestowitzOnly Massive Voter Turnout Can Protect Our Democracy From Trump Reelection https://www.commondreams.org/views/2020/09/29/only-massive-voter-turnout-can-protect-our-democracy-trump-reelection Sep 30 15:53
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.commondreams.org | Only Massive Voter Turnout Can Protect Our Democracy From Trump Reelection | Common Dreams ViewsSep 30 15:53
DaemonFC[m]They have these things called Provisional Ballots when something's wrong with it, so you can be sure that officials will be screwing around with that.Sep 30 15:55
DaemonFC[m]Going "Oh the signature on the envelope doesn't match." or something.Sep 30 15:55
DaemonFC[m]Then they'll crack those open last and usually about 2/3rds of them never count.Sep 30 15:56
DaemonFC[m]It's often votes from black people and they say oh that's racist, but you look at it and it really doesn't follow the rules.Sep 30 15:56
DaemonFC[m]You know, it says "sign here, here, and here" and they don't or something.Sep 30 15:56
DaemonFC[m]Or they don't read the instructions and don't place the ballot in the inner envelope. Just the outer one.Sep 30 15:57
DaemonFC[m]Those get tossed too. They're called a naked ballot. Sep 30 15:57
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DaemonFC[m]https://www.fastcompany.com/90557727/walmarts-new-store-design-proves-browsing-is-deadSep 30 16:43
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.fastcompany.com | Walmart's new store design proves browsing is deadSep 30 16:43
DaemonFC[m]Trying to adapt because people don't want to stand around and shop anymore.Sep 30 16:43
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superkuhhttps://matrix.org/blog/2020/09/30/welcoming-gitter-to-matrix/ - Microsoft worming their way in to matrix protocol via github.Sep 30 16:45
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Welcoming Gitter to Matrix! | Matrix.orgSep 30 16:45
XRevan86Gitter is owned by GitLabSep 30 16:46
superkuh"Seamless onboarding thanks to using GitLab & GitHub for accounts"Sep 30 16:46
superkuhetc, etc.Sep 30 16:46
superkuhSure, gitlab too.Sep 30 16:46
XRevan86superkuh: It's *owned* by GitLab.Sep 30 16:46
superkuhI get that.Sep 30 16:47
superkuhBut it's not just gitlab that is being integrated.Sep 30 16:47
XRevan86they didn't drop GitHub support after acquisitionSep 30 16:47
XRevan86superkuh: I doubt Microsoft cares even one bit.Sep 30 16:48
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MinceRglobal wormingSep 30 17:25
superkuhXRevan86, you're right. I misunderstood. I read more.Sep 30 17:25
scientesMinceR, https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ascariasis#/media/File:Piece_of_intestine,_blocked_by_worms_(16424898321).jpgSep 30 17:54
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-en.wikipedia.org | Ascariasis - WikipediaSep 30 17:54
MinceR:)Sep 30 17:54
scientesthey are fucking huge https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Ascaris_lumbricoides.jpegSep 30 17:54
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-commons.wikimedia.org | File:Ascaris lumbricoides.jpeg - Wikimedia CommonsSep 30 17:55
MinceRwhere did the microsoft logos go though?Sep 30 17:55
scientesgo check out sourcehutSep 30 17:57
scientes100% libre software and not spaghettiwareSep 30 17:57
smnthermeshttps://freebsdisevil.tumblr.com/post/613307347305103360/freebsd-is-stuck-in-the-pastSep 30 18:25
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-freebsdisevil.tumblr.com | FreeBSD is EVIL — FreeBSD is stuck in the pastSep 30 18:25
smnthermesTroll 1000Sep 30 18:26
XRevan86> BSD users still use IRC, mailing lists, and SVN when the rest of the world uses Slack and GitHub.Sep 30 18:27
XRevan86smnthermes: Is it really trolling? Poe's Law prevents me from seeing it as that.Sep 30 18:27
XRevan86Let's see what else is in the feed…Sep 30 18:28
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*XRevan86 is so confused by it.Sep 30 18:32
XRevan86smnthermes: I think it's legit.Sep 30 18:34
XRevan86I don't think this is trolling.Sep 30 18:34
XRevan86it's too consistent and persistentSep 30 18:35
scienteshansamx1Sep 30 18:35
XRevan86scientes: is that your password? :)Sep 30 18:37
DaemonFC[m]It's more important for FOSS to stay independent than it is for it to be "social".Sep 30 18:40
DaemonFC[m]But there are open forms of social networking, and IRC is one. It's dated, but still works.Sep 30 18:41
XRevan86DaemonFC[m]: Are you sure? I mean, proprietary software is the best friend of FOSS.Sep 30 18:41
DaemonFC[m]There's a Putin joke coming, isn't there?Sep 30 18:41
XRevan86DaemonFC[m]: I didn't even think of that. What Putin joke do you have in mind? :)Sep 30 18:42
DaemonFC[m]I keep referring to Mike Madigan as the Vladimir Putin of Illinois. Sep 30 18:42
DaemonFC[m]Oh, how Russia's just a really great friend of all of these independence movements that just somehow spring up all by themselves. Sep 30 18:43
DaemonFC[m](Then immediately vote to join Russia.)Sep 30 18:43
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XRevan86DaemonFC[m]: Yea, Putin only feels good about a relationship when it's built on at least some form of blackmail^W chantage.Sep 30 18:45
DaemonFC[m]https://www.chicagotribune.com/opinion/letters/ct-letters-vp-082619-20190826-r3dkex2q6rfrnnus4buqj7q2eu-story.htmlSep 30 18:46
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.chicagotribune.com | Letters: Mike Madigan is the boss of Illinois - Chicago TribuneSep 30 18:46
DaemonFC[m]I doubt Mike Madigan will ever leave until he dies in office.Sep 30 18:47
DaemonFC[m]But whoever becomes the Speaker of the House will end up inheriting the same House rules, so they would theoretically have just as much power as he does.Sep 30 18:47
DaemonFC[m]Dictatorships don't plan on successors.Sep 30 18:47
DaemonFC[m]They just leave a power vacuum and someone else comes along.Sep 30 18:48
XRevan86DaemonFC[m]: They try but they usually fail, because of trust issues.Sep 30 18:48
XRevan86Yesterday Tatarstan and Turkmenistan were mentioned, and now they're ruled by successors.Sep 30 18:49
DaemonFC[m]I think one of two things is likely to come from this election.Sep 30 18:49
DaemonFC[m]Either Trump is ousted and the Senate switches over to a small majority of Democrats.Sep 30 18:50
DaemonFC[m]Or Trump stays but more Democrats in the Senate and House.Sep 30 18:50
DaemonFC[m]History shows that the incumbent president who wins re-election almost always loses seats in both the midterm and the presidential election.Sep 30 18:50
DaemonFC[m]Quite possible he'll be dealing with House and Senate Democrats for the rest of his term.Sep 30 18:51
DaemonFC[m]FiveThirtyEight predicts a 58% chance that Democrats take the majority in the Senate, but it's almost certain that they pick up at least 2 or 3 seats.Sep 30 18:51
DaemonFC[m]Also, a 78% chance that Biden wins.Sep 30 18:52
DaemonFC[m]But these are separate odds, of course.Sep 30 18:52
DaemonFC[m]In North Carolina, Cal Cunningham (D) has a pretty stable 5-8 point lead over Lindsey Graham.Sep 30 18:52
DaemonFC[m]But Biden and Trump are tied. Sep 30 18:52
DaemonFC[m]It's pretty clear that Cunningham probably pulls off a win regardless of what happens there between Biden and Trump.Sep 30 18:53
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psydroid<Chaekyung "Not even sure what language "lk "> it's Dutch and means "I fear no man"Sep 30 21:30
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DaemonFC[m]https://www.forbes.com/sites/stuartanderson/2020/09/30/judge-blocks-uscis-fee-increases-heres-why-it-happened/#7d6a6238583aSep 30 22:13
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schestowitz> “Are you interested in learning more about Emb(race) and IBM’sSep 30 23:02
schestowitz> initiative to eradicate racist IT terminology?” -IBMSep 30 23:02
schestowitz> Sep 30 23:02
schestowitz> I can see why someone would think this was a paraphrase, but it wasSep 30 23:02
schestowitz> actually a direct quote from the email included in this article:Sep 30 23:02
schestowitz> http://techrights.org/2020/08/20/ibm-race-spin/Sep 30 23:02
schestowitzOh, wow.Sep 30 23:02
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schestowitz> EME is what Mozilla calls it. I'm not suggesting it is only Mozilla,Sep 30 23:03
schestowitz> though in some contexts (websites) it may primarily be Mozilla. WebsitesSep 30 23:03
schestowitz> may just call it "DRM". Also calling it EME doesn't mean that otherSep 30 23:03
schestowitz> vendors won't have their own branded solution built around EME, at whichSep 30 23:03
schestowitz> point the user experience wouldn't differ from the older way of doing itSep 30 23:04
schestowitz> via "plugins". So they may actually say "Enable BogProtect" rather thanSep 30 23:04
schestowitz> "enable EME", though if any of what Mozilla proposed actually comes toSep 30 23:04
schestowitz> be, "BogProtect" would still need EME to be enabled.Sep 30 23:04
schestowitz> Sep 30 23:04
schestowitz> EME is what they shoved in after Eich was ousted. It was the beginningSep 30 23:04
schestowitz> of it being very clear who buttered Mozilla's bread, that they don'tSep 30 23:04
schestowitz> give a shit about users.Sep 30 23:04
schestowitz> Sep 30 23:04
schestowitz> There is a setting in Icecat, and possibly Mozilla, to turn off theSep 30 23:04
schestowitz> option of turning EME on. So not only does IceCat disable EME, itSep 30 23:04
schestowitz> disables the way to turn it back on. But you can go turn on thatSep 30 23:04
schestowitz> setting, which then allows you to turn on EME as well. All of this isSep 30 23:04
schestowitz> possible from about:config-- IceCat probably disables it via user.js,Sep 30 23:04
schestowitz> which is typically how you change a default a la config file if you haveSep 30 23:04
schestowitz> your own derivative. I don't believe they actually remove the code fromSep 30 23:04
schestowitz> IceCat, it's simply switched "off" twice. No promises that this is up toSep 30 23:04
schestowitz> date.Sep 30 23:04
schestowitzscientes: Sep 30 23:04
schestowitz> scientesSep 30 23:04
schestowitz> I think C can be improved to be as usable as the slow languagesSep 30 23:04
schestowitz> Sep 29 14:30Sep 30 23:04
schestowitz> <http://techrights.org/irc-archives/irc-log-techrights-290920.html#tSepSep 30 23:04
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schestowitz> 29 14:30:52>Sep 30 23:04
schestowitz> Sep 30 23:04
schestowitz> Sep 30 23:04
schestowitz> Not really, it's the usability that makes them slow. Most of the speedSep 30 23:04
schestowitz> costs in Python come from dynamic type handling. Other than that, itSep 30 23:04
schestowitz> runs closer to the metal than people think. Not as fast as C, but asSep 30 23:04
schestowitz> fast as it can be and be that usable.Sep 30 23:04
schestowitz> Sep 30 23:04
schestowitz> I'm not against people trying though, I'm against them getting theirSep 30 23:04
schestowitz> hopes up.Sep 30 23:05
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schestowitzwe'll soon publish some Gates deposition videosSep 30 23:56
schestowitz12 of them at leastSep 30 23:56
schestowitz2.3 GBSep 30 23:56

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