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| -viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: Accurate Conclusions from Bogus Data: Methodological Issues in “Collaboration in the open-source arena: The WebKit case” • sǝuıɥɔɐɯ xnʇ ☞ http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/144891 [https://pleroma.site/objects/f250b037-eb59-4cb0-a797-799500c12b55] | Nov 30 00:07 | |
| -viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: Review: Trisquel GNU/Linux 9.0 • sǝuıɥɔɐɯ xnʇ ☞ http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/144892 [https://pleroma.site/objects/dfd075a1-f0bb-477e-ae66-9cd6b32b3264] | Nov 30 00:11 | |
| schestowitz | zoobab: http://patentblog.kluweriplaw.com/2020/11/26/preparatory-committee-unified-patent-court-an-important-step-closer/ | Nov 30 00:21 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-patentblog.kluweriplaw.com | Preparatory Committee: Unified Patent Court an important step closer - Kluwer Patent Blog | Nov 30 00:21 | |
| schestowitz | " | Nov 30 00:21 |
| schestowitz | Dear lobbyists of all kind: free after Charles de Gaulle, you might have won a battle, but you have not yet won the war! | Nov 30 00:21 |
| schestowitz | Whether you like it or not, Art 7(2) UPCA is a ticking time bomb! | Nov 30 00:21 |
| schestowitz | " | Nov 30 00:21 |
| schestowitz | Game on | Nov 30 00:21 |
| schestowitz | zoobab: don't be despaired and all | Nov 30 00:21 |
| schestowitz | we'll win this at the end | Nov 30 00:21 |
| schestowitz | zoobab: "The problem is not software patents as claimed by the FFII, but the interconnection between a treaty meant to be following EU law and a convention completely outside the reach of EU law. " | Nov 30 00:21 |
| schestowitz | both are problems | Nov 30 00:21 |
| schestowitz | to different groups | Nov 30 00:21 |
| schestowitz | zoobab: I am catching up with about 100 comments at the moment | Nov 30 00:23 |
| schestowitz | tl;dr: | Nov 30 00:23 |
| schestowitz | the lobbyists' blog posts are pants | Nov 30 00:23 |
| schestowitz | pure BS | Nov 30 00:23 |
| schestowitz | the comments point this out | Nov 30 00:23 |
| schestowitz | with very rare exception | Nov 30 00:23 |
| schestowitz | they know they're faking it | Nov 30 00:23 |
| schestowitz | I like the comments in https://soylentnews.org/article.pl?sid=20/11/27/1654250 | Nov 30 00:23 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-soylentnews.org | FFII Calls for Donations Against Unitary Software Patent Trolls After a Disastrous Bundestag Vote - SoylentNews | Nov 30 00:23 | |
| -viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: Linux 5.10-rc6 • sǝuıɥɔɐɯ xnʇ ☞ http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/144893 [https://pleroma.site/objects/9d7f2266-2164-469e-918f-7a268dc3ab72] | Nov 30 00:56 | |
| *smnthermes is now known as Samanto | Nov 30 00:56 | |
| *Samanto is now known as smnthermes | Nov 30 01:04 | |
| *smnthermes is now known as Samanto | Nov 30 01:40 | |
| *Samanto is now known as smnthermes | Nov 30 01:49 | |
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| -viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: Linux 5.10-rc6 Released - This LTS Kernel Now Appearing In Good Shape http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/144893#comment-27271 [https://pleroma.site/objects/ca9e073f-5436-4b2f-9126-99b56b7df238] | Nov 30 02:46 | |
| schestowitz | Now everything is in today's bulletin: http://techrights.org/txt/ | Nov 30 03:09 |
| schestowitz | even image substitutions | Nov 30 03:09 |
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| -viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: GhostBSD 20.11.28 Release Announcement • 𝓣𝓾𝔁 𝓜𝓪𝓬𝓱𝓲𝓷𝓮𝓼 ⇨ http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/144894 [https://pleroma.site/objects/20a0b470-a421-488c-aaf2-9394c5a08e47] | Nov 30 04:03 | |
| schestowitz | hmmm.. unix/gnu should have operator for this kind of thing | Nov 30 04:32 |
| schestowitz | https://www.cyberciti.biz/faq/bash-prepend-text-lines-to-file/ | Nov 30 04:32 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.cyberciti.biz | BASH Prepend A Text / Lines To a File - nixCraft | Nov 30 04:32 | |
| schestowitz | no simple operator | Nov 30 04:32 |
| MinceR | well, it's not a simple operation :> | Nov 30 04:38 |
| MinceR | appending to a file is a lot easier | Nov 30 04:38 |
| schestowitz | yes, because of how filesystems are | Nov 30 04:44 |
| schestowitz | I hoped there would be something with less overhead | Nov 30 04:44 |
| schestowitz | for http://techrights.org/txt | Nov 30 04:44 |
| schestowitz | let me check what other sites have a text version of them | Nov 30 04:44 |
| schestowitz | https://greycoder.com/a-list-of-text-only-new-sites/ | Nov 30 04:45 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-A List Of Text-Only News Sites - GreyCoder | Nov 30 04:45 | |
| schestowitz | hmmm... that's not really text | Nov 30 04:45 |
| schestowitz | it's simplified html | Nov 30 04:45 |
| schestowitz | Even the 'geek' ones https://skimfeed.com/ | Nov 30 04:47 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Skimfeed V5.5 - Tech News | Nov 30 04:47 | |
| schestowitz | still html | Nov 30 04:47 |
| schestowitz | "Text-only website are quite useful, especially today." | Nov 30 04:48 |
| schestowitz | They're not text only | Nov 30 04:48 |
| schestowitz | not even one of them | Nov 30 04:48 |
| schestowitz | the CNN one even has malware in it | Nov 30 04:48 |
| schestowitz | view-source:https://lite.cnn.com/en | Nov 30 04:48 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-lite.cnn.com | CNN - Breaking News, Latest News and Videos | Nov 30 04:48 | |
| schestowitz | "window.analytics" | Nov 30 04:48 |
| schestowitz | these also https://sjmulder.nl/en/textonly.html | Nov 30 04:57 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-sjmulder.nl | Text-only websites | Nov 30 04:57 | |
| schestowitz | all of them ae html | Nov 30 04:57 |
| schestowitz | just a bit watered down | Nov 30 04:57 |
| schestowitz | but still html | Nov 30 04:57 |
| schestowitz | not text | Nov 30 04:57 |
| schestowitz | they do include https://1mb.club/ | Nov 30 04:57 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-1mb.club | 1MB Club | Nov 30 04:57 | |
| -viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: Zotero: An Open Source App to Help You Collect & Share Research • 𝓣𝓾𝔁 𝓜𝓪𝓬𝓱𝓲𝓷𝓮𝓼 ⇨ http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/144895 [https://pleroma.site/objects/d505ea6d-482f-4e09-9b31-43a3db905cd7] | Nov 30 05:56 | |
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| -viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: #HowTo use permission command chmod in Linux with various parameters • 𝓣𝓾𝔁 𝓜𝓪𝓬𝓱𝓲𝓷𝓮𝓼 ⇨ http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/144896 [https://pleroma.site/objects/b7626c78-9156-4bcc-98f8-084d25276232] | Nov 30 06:39 | |
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| -viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: Today’s #HowTos | #UNIX • 𝓣𝓾𝔁 𝓜𝓪𝓬𝓱𝓲𝓷𝓮𝓼 ⇨ http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/144897 [https://pleroma.site/objects/10b713c2-039c-42e9-aa4f-7c988075f843] | Nov 30 06:43 | |
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| schestowitz | zoobab: "Combined with a complete dematerialisation of the EPO as it is presently envisaged, it is not a mere dream, but it could become true and all the lawyer firms pushing the UPC would be gloating." http://patentblog.kluweriplaw.com/2020/11/26/german-bundestag-approves-legislation-to-ratify-the-unified-patent-court-agreement/ | Nov 30 13:34 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-patentblog.kluweriplaw.com | German Bundestag approves legislation to ratify the Unified Patent Court Agreement - Kluwer Patent Blog | Nov 30 13:34 | |
| zoobab | saw it | Nov 30 13:56 |
| schestowitz | zoobab: thanks, good... | Nov 30 14:01 |
| schestowitz | zoobab: read the comments also in SN | Nov 30 14:01 |
| schestowitz | we've archives these in IRC | Nov 30 14:01 |
| schestowitz | people are on our side | Nov 30 14:01 |
| schestowitz | the propaganda you should ignore, focus on what needs doing now | Nov 30 14:02 |
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| schestowitz | Ariadne: just fyi (I know you don't maintain pleroma.site anymore), pleroma.site has been down entirely for about 7 hours | Nov 30 14:47 |
| schestowitz | prior to that it seemed to have performance issues; either way, their uptime is overall not too bad | Nov 30 14:48 |
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| MinceR | (cat) https://ircz.de/p/2007317 | Nov 30 16:23 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-ircz.de | IRCZ makes your life worth living Post object (4793348) | Nov 30 16:23 | |
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| MinceR | (audio:important) https://cdn.mastodon.technology/cache/media_attachments/files/008/439/703/original/0ff1cd59389184b6.mp4 | Nov 30 16:38 |
| schestowitz | ha | Nov 30 16:40 |
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| MinceR | https://www.deviantart.com/redig76/art/Cthulhu-Awakening-Front-I-Want-YOU-for-breakfast-d-810585419 | Nov 30 17:00 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Cthulhu Awakening Front I Want YOU for breakfast d by redig76 on DeviantArt | Nov 30 17:00 | |
| schestowitz | pleroma down, pastint diffs | Nov 30 17:14 |
| schestowitz | *pasting | Nov 30 17:14 |
| schestowitz | ➬ | Nov 30 17:14 |
| schestowitz | Links 30/11/2020: GhostBSD 20.11.28, Nitrux 1.3.5, Linux 5.10 RC6, GNOME Circle, Microsoft Collapses Again in Web Server Share ⢠ððððð£ðððð¥ð¤ ⨠http://techrights.org/2020/11/30/microsoft-iis-collapses/ | Nov 30 17:14 |
| schestowitz | ➬ | Nov 30 17:14 |
| schestowitz | Todayâs ðð®ð± ðððð¡ð¢ð§ðð¬ Leftovers ⢠ð£ð¾ð ððªð¬ð±ð²ð·ð®ð¼ ⨠http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/144916 | Nov 30 17:14 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Links 30/11/2020: GhostBSD 20.11.28, Nitrux 1.3.5, Linux 5.10 RC6, GNOME Circle, Microsoft Collapses Again in Web Server Share | Techrights | Nov 30 17:14 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | today's leftovers | Tux Machines | Nov 30 17:14 | |
| schestowitz | ➬ | Nov 30 17:14 |
| schestowitz | Programming/Development Leftovers ⢠ð£ð¾ð ððªð¬ð±ð²ð·ð®ð¼ ⨠http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/144915 | Nov 30 17:14 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Programming/Development Leftovers | Tux Machines | Nov 30 17:14 | |
| schestowitz | ➬ | Nov 30 17:14 |
| schestowitz | #Android Leftovers ⢠ð£ð¾ð ððªð¬ð±ð²ð·ð®ð¼ ⨠http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/144914 | Nov 30 17:14 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Android Leftovers | Tux Machines | Nov 30 17:14 | |
| schestowitz | ➬ | Nov 30 17:14 |
| schestowitz | vQt 6.0's 3D Renderer Is Much Improved But More Work Remains http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/144899#comment-27275 | Nov 30 17:14 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Qt 3D Renderer changes and improvements in Qt 6 | Tux Machines | Nov 30 17:14 | |
| schestowitz | ➬ | Nov 30 17:14 |
| schestowitz | Devices/Embedded: MiTAC, #RaspberryPi and #ESP32 / #Arduino ⢠ð£ð¾ð ððªð¬ð±ð²ð·ð®ð¼ ⨠http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/144913 | Nov 30 17:14 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Devices/Embedded: MiTAC, Raspberry Pi and ESP32/Arduino | Tux Machines | Nov 30 17:14 | |
| schestowitz | ➬ | Nov 30 17:14 |
| schestowitz | Todayâs #HowTos | #UNIX ⢠ð£ð¾ð ððªð¬ð±ð²ð·ð®ð¼ ⨠http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/144912 | Nov 30 17:14 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | today's howtos | Tux Machines | Nov 30 17:14 | |
| schestowitz | ➬ | Nov 30 17:14 |
| schestowitz | Linux Kernel: Greg Kroah-Hartmanâs Talk and Panics ⢠ð£ð¾ð ððªð¬ð±ð²ð·ð®ð¼ ⨠http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/144911 | Nov 30 17:14 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Linux Kernel: Greg Kroah-Hartman's Talk and Panics | Tux Machines | Nov 30 17:14 | |
| schestowitz | ➬ | Nov 30 17:14 |
| schestowitz | Audiocasts/Shows: Apple Hype From the Viewpoint of GNU/Linux ⢠ð£ð¾ð ððªð¬ð±ð²ð·ð®ð¼ ⨠http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/144910 | Nov 30 17:14 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Audiocasts/Shows: Apple Hype From the Viewpoint of GNU/Linux | Tux Machines | Nov 30 17:14 | |
| schestowitz | ➬ | Nov 30 17:14 |
| schestowitz | RADV Vulkan Drive and Vulkan Improvements ⢠ð£ð¾ð ððªð¬ð±ð²ð·ð®ð¼ ⨠http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/144908 | Nov 30 17:14 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | RADV Vulkan Drive and Vulkan Improvements | Tux Machines | Nov 30 17:14 | |
| schestowitz | ➬ | Nov 30 17:14 |
| schestowitz | Minder â mind-mapping tool ⢠ð£ð¾ð ððªð¬ð±ð²ð·ð®ð¼ ⨠http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/144907 | Nov 30 17:14 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Minder – mind-mapping tool | Tux Machines | Nov 30 17:14 | |
| schestowitz | ➬ | Nov 30 17:15 |
| schestowitz | Games: Godot Engine, Rail Route, MangoHud, Cube 2: Sauerbraten and Minigalaxy ⢠ð£ð¾ð ððªð¬ð±ð²ð·ð®ð¼ ⨠http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/144906 | Nov 30 17:15 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Games: Godot Engine, Rail Route, MangoHud, Cube 2: Sauerbraten and Minigalaxy | Tux Machines | Nov 30 17:15 | |
| schestowitz | ➬ | Nov 30 17:15 |
| schestowitz | TUXEDO launch their Linux powered XMG FUSION 15 http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/144808#comment-27274 | Nov 30 17:15 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | TUXEDO Computers Enables Full Linux Support on the Intel-TongFang QC7 Gaming Laptop | Tux Machines | Nov 30 17:15 | |
| schestowitz | ➬ | Nov 30 17:15 |
| schestowitz | GNOMEâs Developer Outreach ⢠ð£ð¾ð ððªð¬ð±ð²ð·ð®ð¼ ⨠http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/144905 | Nov 30 17:15 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | GNOME's Developer Outreach | Tux Machines | Nov 30 17:15 | |
| schestowitz | ➬ | Nov 30 17:15 |
| schestowitz | The Raspberry Pi 400 isn't the only keyboard computer with a Raspberry Pi inside | Nov 30 17:15 |
| schestowitz | http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/144898#comment-27273 | Nov 30 17:15 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Unboxing the Raspberry Pi 400 | Tux Machines | Nov 30 17:15 | |
| schestowitz | ➬ | Nov 30 17:15 |
| schestowitz | Changelog: Nitrux 1.3.5 ⢠ð£ð¾ð ððªð¬ð±ð²ð·ð®ð¼ ⨠http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/144900 | Nov 30 17:15 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Changelog: Nitrux 1.3.5 | Tux Machines | Nov 30 17:15 | |
| schestowitz | ➬ | Nov 30 17:15 |
| schestowitz | Qt 3D Renderer changes and improvements in Qt 6 ⢠ð£ð¾ð ððªð¬ð±ð²ð·ð®ð¼ ⨠http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/144899 | Nov 30 17:15 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Qt 3D Renderer changes and improvements in Qt 6 | Tux Machines | Nov 30 17:15 | |
| schestowitz | ➬ | Nov 30 17:15 |
| schestowitz | GhostBSD 20.11.28 Released With Improved Steam On Linux Performance http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/144894#comment-27272 | Nov 30 17:15 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | GhostBSD 20.11.28 Release Announcement | Tux Machines | Nov 30 17:15 | |
| schestowitz | ➬ | Nov 30 17:15 |
| schestowitz | #Android Leftovers ⢠ð£ð¾ð ððªð¬ð±ð²ð·ð®ð¼ ⨠http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/144902 | Nov 30 17:15 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Android Leftovers | Tux Machines | Nov 30 17:15 | |
| schestowitz | ➬ | Nov 30 17:15 |
| schestowitz | Collabora Office 6.4 Arrives on Mobile and Chromebooks with New Look and Dark Mode ⢠ð£ð¾ð ððªð¬ð±ð²ð·ð®ð¼ ⨠http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/144903 | Nov 30 17:15 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Collabora Office 6.4 Arrives on Mobile and Chromebooks with New Look and Dark Mode | Tux Machines | Nov 30 17:15 | |
| schestowitz | ➬ | Nov 30 17:15 |
| schestowitz | Nitrux 1.3.5 Brings More Portable Apps, Latest KDE Plasma Desktop ⢠ð£ð¾ð ððªð¬ð±ð²ð·ð®ð¼ ⨠http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/144901 | Nov 30 17:15 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Nitrux 1.3.5 Brings More Portable Apps, Latest KDE Plasma Desktop | Tux Machines | Nov 30 17:15 | |
| schestowitz | ➬ | Nov 30 17:15 |
| schestowitz | Today in #Techrights ⢠ð£ð¾ð ððªð¬ð±ð²ð·ð®ð¼ ⨠http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/144904 | Nov 30 17:15 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Today in Techrights | Tux Machines | Nov 30 17:15 | |
| schestowitz | ➬ | Nov 30 17:15 |
| schestowitz | Unboxing the Raspberry Pi 400 ⢠ð£ð¾ð ððªð¬ð±ð²ð·ð®ð¼ ⨠http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/144898 | Nov 30 17:15 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Unboxing the Raspberry Pi 400 | Tux Machines | Nov 30 17:15 | |
| schestowitz | ➬ | Nov 30 17:15 |
| schestowitz | Todayâs #HowTos | #UNIX ⢠ð£ð¾ð ððªð¬ð±ð²ð·ð®ð¼ ⨠http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/144897 | Nov 30 17:15 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | today's howtos | Tux Machines | Nov 30 17:15 | |
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| XRevan86 | https://existentialcomics.com/comic/370 thought it's a big preachy, not realising it's just because this is based on a true story | Nov 30 17:38 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-existentialcomics.com | Herbert Spencer Visits Pittsburgh - Existential Comics | Nov 30 17:38 | |
| MinceR | https://ircz.de/p/20081829 | Nov 30 17:43 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-ircz.de | IRCZ makes your life worth living Post object (4831399) | Nov 30 17:43 | |
| MinceR | https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EnstKZ_VEAMZ34y?format=jpg&name=orig | Nov 30 17:53 |
| XRevan86 | MinceR: I can't decide whether I should mock him for bying an IoT doorbell or to laugh with him at the state of affairs. | Nov 30 17:56 |
| MinceR | you should mock him and laugh at him | Nov 30 17:58 |
| MinceR | he bought the stupidest doorbell ever made (one that doesn't even work without someone else's computer helping out) advertised as "smart" | Nov 30 17:58 |
| XRevan86 | MinceR: But also he recognises the issue, at least partially. | Nov 30 17:59 |
| psydroid | and enjoy it | Nov 30 17:59 |
| MinceR | (cat) https://ircz.de/p/20072756 | Nov 30 18:18 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-ircz.de | IRCZ makes your life worth living Post object (4786685) | Nov 30 18:18 | |
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| oiaohm | Problem with the IoT door bells is the security risks. | Nov 30 18:44 |
| oiaohm | Really its fun using a targeted wifi jammer against them so they ring but have no picture. | Nov 30 18:46 |
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| oiaohm | Being a cabler I do have a wired in security system in my house I did for prac. | Nov 30 18:49 |
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| schestowitz | alarm bells are simple | Nov 30 19:42 |
| schestowitz | they used to be just physical bells | Nov 30 19:42 |
| schestowitz | those are cheap | Nov 30 19:42 |
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| MinceR | https://ircz.de/p/20081632 | Nov 30 19:49 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-ircz.de | IRCZ makes your life worth living Post object (4827363) | Nov 30 19:49 | |
| oiaohm | schestowitz: https://www.bunnings.com.au/swing-slide-climb-ship-bell_p3321047 this is my house door bell. | Nov 30 19:56 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.bunnings.com.au | Swing Slide Climb Ship Bell | Bunnings Warehouse | Nov 30 19:56 | |
| MinceR | :) | Nov 30 19:56 |
| oiaohm | They turn out not that hard to make tone trigger for remote either. | Nov 30 19:57 |
| oiaohm | So wireless to computer by sound. | Nov 30 19:57 |
| schestowitz | does the job | Nov 30 19:57 |
| MinceR | https://i.pinimg.com/originals/67/28/c3/6728c388a95cfea916cb1060f51f9e52.jpg | Nov 30 19:58 |
| oiaohm | Basically I have something equal to a ring door bell with nothing electrical outside the walls of the building. | Nov 30 19:58 |
| MinceR | https://cdn.shopify.com/s/files/1/2372/3021/products/image1_530x@2x.jpeg?v=1566125600 | Nov 30 19:58 |
| oiaohm | and without the IOT security risks. | Nov 30 19:58 |
| oiaohm | The house I am in has high iron bricks that make a natural fardays cage. | Nov 30 19:59 |
| schestowitz | not good for "smart" things | Nov 30 20:00 |
| schestowitz | only smart humans | Nov 30 20:00 |
| CrystalMath | i have an old buzz bell from 1970 | Nov 30 20:01 |
| schestowitz | one day they will make alarms that work without power and connection. That would be... innovative? | Nov 30 20:01 |
| CrystalMath | still requires power though | Nov 30 20:01 |
| CrystalMath | i made an electric bell myself as a kid | Nov 30 20:01 |
| CrystalMath | using an electromagnet | Nov 30 20:02 |
| schestowitz | common exercise | Nov 30 20:02 |
| CrystalMath | it wasn't very loud though | Nov 30 20:02 |
| oiaohm | I remember one place that had a crank bell. | Nov 30 20:02 |
| oiaohm | As in hand crank so the door bell would ring. | Nov 30 20:02 |
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| schestowitz | not good in covid times | Nov 30 20:02 |
| CrystalMath | so disinfect it | Nov 30 20:04 |
| CrystalMath | there's no sane bell that doesn't require touch | Nov 30 20:04 |
| oiaohm | The crank door bell was not that bad in covid-19 time as it was a solid brass handle. | Nov 30 20:05 |
| CrystalMath | oh | Nov 30 20:05 |
| oiaohm | Material is a factor. | Nov 30 20:05 |
| oiaohm | Brass most viruses are rendered dead inside 40 mins. | Nov 30 20:07 |
| oiaohm | So as long as you are only getting a few people per day spread over the day brass items are not a contact spread item. | Nov 30 20:08 |
| schestowitz | >> Intel: buy us... because we're good at solving problems we create | Nov 30 20:12 |
| schestowitz | > | Nov 30 20:12 |
| schestowitz | > I'm pretty sure Moore's law is now about the number of serious microcode | Nov 30 20:12 |
| schestowitz | > vulnerabilities. | Nov 30 20:12 |
| schestowitz | oiaohm: | Nov 30 20:15 |
| schestowitz | >> Some of Linus rants against developers crossed into the Australian | Nov 30 20:15 |
| schestowitz | > laws define of verbal Assault. | Nov 30 20:15 |
| schestowitz | > | Nov 30 20:15 |
| schestowitz | > Australians are all fucking idiots anyway. | Nov 30 20:15 |
| schestowitz | >> No verbal Assualt under Australian law in written form is offence | Nov 30 20:15 |
| schestowitz | > alone with a max of 10 years jail. | Nov 30 20:15 |
| schestowitz | > | Nov 30 20:15 |
| schestowitz | > My advice is that nobody visit or do business with Australia, unless of | Nov 30 20:15 |
| schestowitz | > course they're going to start extraditing people for "verbal assault" in | Nov 30 20:15 |
| schestowitz | > which case-- nuke them from orbit until all the dingoes and 'roos glow | Nov 30 20:15 |
| schestowitz | > green. | Nov 30 20:15 |
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| oiaohm | Austalian define of verbal assault is imported from the UK. | Nov 30 20:16 |
| oiaohm | schestowitz: the reality here is there are quite a few countries with laws against it. Lot of countries have not applied it to online text conversations yet. Lot of things Linus wrote in emails if he has said verbally in a normal office in may countries would have been criminal offences. | Nov 30 20:19 |
| oiaohm | Australia is just a little ahead due to rulings saying verbal assult for spoken actions apply to text based actions online as well. | Nov 30 20:20 |
| schestowitz | ok | Nov 30 20:26 |
| oiaohm | schestowitz: Malicious Communications Act in the UK what is 6 months with a fine would have covered Linus actions when he was pulled up as well. | Nov 30 20:26 |
| schestowitz | what words/incident specifically? | Nov 30 20:26 |
| schestowitz | I presume that would be used in menacing scenario | Nov 30 20:26 |
| schestowitz | like someone shouting curse words at someone's home | Nov 30 20:26 |
| schestowitz | and that would be a way to hold them accountable for "antisocial behaviour" | Nov 30 20:27 |
| oiaohm | Malicious Communications Act covers in the UK online actions like personally attacking emails. | Nov 30 20:27 |
| oiaohm | Basically antisocial behaviour. | Nov 30 20:28 |
| schestowitz | depends on the context | Nov 30 20:28 |
| schestowitz | and the actual sense of threat | Nov 30 20:28 |
| oiaohm | I am trying to remember the event that Linus was caught on. It was covered in Linux Australia conference. Its where Linus got personally abusive because a person submitting code did something that was not documented. | Nov 30 20:28 |
| oiaohm | Problem that person was Australia citizen. | Nov 30 20:29 |
| schestowitz | some strongly worded emails can cause panic, if for instance physical action was to follow | Nov 30 20:29 |
| oiaohm | So Linus had to be pulled up. | Nov 30 20:29 |
| schestowitz | he said something to the effect of not being born | Nov 30 20:29 |
| schestowitz | but maybe jokingly | Nov 30 20:29 |
| schestowitz | and either way, the law should not protect feelings | Nov 30 20:29 |
| schestowitz | but physical safety | Nov 30 20:29 |
| oiaohm | Mental safety does have to be considered. | Nov 30 20:30 |
| schestowitz | the US has a case on that | Nov 30 20:30 |
| oiaohm | There is such thing of just being too far out of line. | Nov 30 20:30 |
| schestowitz | Dorey or something | Nov 30 20:30 |
| schestowitz | where a girl killed herself after getting some communications from an older lady | Nov 30 20:30 |
| schestowitz | iirc, the cause concluded that if someone kills oneself due to being offended, you cannot hold the offender accountable for it | Nov 30 20:31 |
| schestowitz | people who kill themselves over an email were suicidal (likely) to begin with | Nov 30 20:31 |
| schestowitz | irrespective of these emails | Nov 30 20:31 |
| schestowitz | and they can use suicide as just a weapon or revenge | Nov 30 20:32 |
| schestowitz | I am guessing that's partly the reason such law exist in the first place | Nov 30 20:32 |
| schestowitz | *laws | Nov 30 20:32 |
| schestowitz | bbl | Nov 30 20:32 |
| schestowitz | I need to write some stuff | Nov 30 20:32 |
| oiaohm | Or go on a mass murder killing spree | Nov 30 20:32 |
| oiaohm | Either way harm a person personality too much bad things can happen. | Nov 30 20:33 |
| oiaohm | So laws exist to prevent take it too far. | Nov 30 20:34 |
| oiaohm | Lot of usa states have passed their own unique laws to deal with the problem. Australia just extend our existing assault laws to cover the online problem that is a fairly sane thing todo. | Nov 30 20:36 |
| oiaohm | USA is a checkboard mess of what is legal and what is not. | Nov 30 20:37 |
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| DaemonFC[m] | I'm using a hand cranked washing machine and an electric laundry spinner. | Nov 30 21:05 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Over time, cheaper than using the laundromat. | Nov 30 21:05 |
| MinceR | 30 212903 < oiaohm> Problem that person was Australia citizen. | Nov 30 21:29 |
| MinceR | yes, that definitely was the problem | Nov 30 21:29 |
| MinceR | not that their code sucked :> | Nov 30 21:29 |
| oiaohm | MinceR: in this case code was not fact bad. | Nov 30 21:36 |
| oiaohm | I wish I could find the video again going over it MinceR. There was a rule that had been agreed at a Linux Plumbers conference that had not be documented that you were not raise a kernel panic under particular conditions. That what Linus got abusive over against the Australian developer. | Nov 30 21:41 |
| oiaohm | So it was not that the submitted code suxed as such it was that particular code already included in the Linux kernel suxed so don't do X or you would trigger it. | Nov 30 21:42 |
| oiaohm | Yet that was not documented. | Nov 30 21:42 |
| oiaohm | MinceR: its one thing to rip into a person for doing something wrong when they really have. Its another to have a case like that where person themselves has done really nothing wrong and other parties have not done their job. | Nov 30 21:43 |
| search_social | obviously linux should fork into two OS's, one for the free world and one for politically repressive 3rd world dictatorships | Nov 30 21:51 |
| MinceR | i guess microshit would manage the latter, then :> | Nov 30 21:56 |
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| search_social | well no i mean people in 3rd world dictatorships deserve rights too | Nov 30 22:08 |
| search_social | it's just you have to be a little more subtle about it | Nov 30 22:08 |
| oiaohm | search_social: where do you define the freeworld is. | Nov 30 22:16 |
| MinceR | maybe 3 kernels then | Nov 30 22:16 |
| oiaohm | Particular things Linus did was on the wrong side of different USA states laws. | Nov 30 22:16 |
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| oiaohm | Freeworld is fairly much a myth. | Nov 30 22:17 |
| MinceR | free from humans | Nov 30 22:17 |
| schestowitz | wow. pleroma.site is still down | Nov 30 22:19 |
| search_social | i've learned rhetoric is more effective if you don't define your terms | Nov 30 22:20 |
| schestowitz | (since around 7am here) | Nov 30 22:20 |
| oiaohm | search_social: to be correct rhetoric is more deceptive if you don't define your terms. | Nov 30 22:20 |
| schestowitz | Depends how you value your time ---> [21:05] <DaemonFC[m]> I'm using a hand cranked washing machine and an electric laundry spinner. | Nov 30 22:21 |
| search_social | well, if you are facing someone that doesn't define their terms and you try to define your terms the net result seems to be quite deceptive as well | Nov 30 22:21 |
| search_social | you'll be about 5 words into your definition before you get stoned to death by the mob | Nov 30 22:22 |
| oiaohm | search_social: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Free_World the normal define of Free World from the Cold war is this one. But it includes many countries without free speech. | Nov 30 22:23 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-en.wikipedia.org | Free World - Wikipedia | Nov 30 22:23 | |
| oiaohm | Stupid as it sounds your country could be a dictatorship and part of the cold war free world. | Nov 30 22:23 |
| oiaohm | Just as long as it was not a communist dictatorship. | Nov 30 22:24 |
| search_social | i would use something more granular than country, say individuals | Nov 30 22:24 |
| oiaohm | Even invdividuals these days have to live by socal norms. Its not like we have nude Philosophers walking around in barrels being classed as acceptable. | Nov 30 22:26 |
| oiaohm | Yes greek history there were true people doing that. | Nov 30 22:27 |
| oiaohm | and other wacky things in other countries. | Nov 30 22:27 |
| *kingoffrance sheepishly takes down poster of Diogenes | Nov 30 22:27 | |
| kingoffrance | IIRC alexander the great supposedly asked him what he could do for him, and he told alexander the great to get out of his sun :) | Nov 30 22:27 |
| oiaohm | kingoffrance: Diogenes lived in a large wine barrel from memory. There was another who wore a smaller barrel as clothing. | Nov 30 22:29 |
| kingoffrance | i just heard "tub" but thats even better | Nov 30 22:29 |
| oiaohm | Wine crushing tub That like 2 meters across. Over on it side makes a lot better home than alot of current day homeless have. | Nov 30 22:30 |
| kingoffrance | and i learned cooper is another one of those names that was occupation (made barrels and similar) | Nov 30 22:31 |
| oiaohm | We still have coopers here making barrels. | Nov 30 22:32 |
| oiaohm | For the bunderberg rum and the like. | Nov 30 22:33 |
| oiaohm | kingoffrance: Gymnosophist Philosophers I was thinking about. They could be completely nude or if you were lucky they were wearing a barrel but that is basically as far as clothing went for them. | Nov 30 22:34 |
| kingoffrance | yeah, i have heard that | Nov 30 22:34 |
| oiaohm | Today that would be in most countries instant arrested. | Nov 30 22:34 |
| kingoffrance | or i have heard that is what the gymnasium was, makes sense | Nov 30 22:34 |
| oiaohm | Yes the old idea of competition in the nude. | Nov 30 22:35 |
| oiaohm | Of course this also had the rule that women were not allows to take part in male sports or even watch them. | Nov 30 22:36 |
| oiaohm | Social norms end up with a stack of different trade offs. | Nov 30 22:36 |
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| DaemonFC[m] | Okay, I finally got all the laundry caught up. | Nov 30 23:10 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Took me a few hours with that setup, but I'll just wash it each day now. | Nov 30 23:10 |
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