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XRevan86MinceR: There isn't even a need to go that farDec 31 00:00
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XRevan86"I think the reason is simply that since things are no longer coded from scratch, from [the] start, what we end up doing is we just pile code on top of code on top of code" – a proper quote this time.Dec 31 00:02
XRevan86And with the examples given, no, that's not the reason at all!Dec 31 00:03
MinceRhttps://img.pr0gramm.com/2019/12/13/2db4d45e63c428d6.jpgDec 31 00:03
XRevan86This annoys me so much, because I expected a talk on this very topic, but these are all examples of software just not caring at all about resource consumption.Dec 31 00:03
XRevan86Microsoft can "fix" mandatory Windows Update in a minute, Microsoft Office can easily be made a lot less resource-hungry just by stripping wells and whistels out of it.Dec 31 00:04
XRevan86bells and whistlesDec 31 00:05
XRevan86Electron is in more of a "unfixable" territory, but he doesn't touch itDec 31 00:05
XRevan86Lines of code of Linux… this counts in new drivers, so not bias-free either.Dec 31 00:07
XRevan86And even though I'm pretty sure Linux does get bigger over time, it's nowhere near that rate. This stat would show exponential growth even if Linux were completely frozen with only new drivers allowed in.Dec 31 00:14
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XRevan86So my points in short: 1. the problem is real; 2. in on itself it's not as bad; 3. the talker conflates it with not related issues and then draws conclusions from that; 4. he doesn't try to seek alternatives that do the job without the baggage of non-sense, rendering the talk even less constructive.Dec 31 00:19
XRevan86Use libre software and you'll see that somehow with layers and layers of code, just like he talks, somehow it doesn't force an update on you.Dec 31 00:22
-viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: How The Radeon RX 5700 XT Navi Linux Performance Has Evolved Since Launch http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/132303 [https://pleroma.site/objects/42d5c3ed-c8bb-4fd5-a854-03263ddf2d48]Dec 31 00:27
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XRevan86And the problem of actual software unpleasantness is caused by proprietary software developers like Microsoft thinking they can get away with it.Dec 31 00:28
psydroidI agree with the driver issue, but even then I will have a hard time getting the kernel size down to what it used to be even 10 years ago. Also I see that user applications are getting bloated faster than the operating system itself. I hope to have the skills to contribute to alternatives eventually.Dec 31 00:29
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XRevan86psydroid: Indeed, but, like I said, the growth rate is nowhere near the level of dramatic.Dec 31 00:30
XRevan86psydroid: User applications are a lot more replaceable, for the most part.Dec 31 00:30
XRevan86Because Linux is so important, its example is a lot more impactful.Dec 31 00:31
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psydroidI could go down to 425 mb using Fluxbox, Falkon and invidio.us playing a youtube video today, which is still quite decentDec 31 00:32
XRevan86psydroid: Or you could download it with youtube-dl and play it with mpvDec 31 00:33
psydroidI'm interested in how much lower that amount could goDec 31 00:33
XRevan86psydroid: Falkon is a good example, actuallyDec 31 00:34
-viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: The trials and tribulations of UI scaling on Linux https://www.osnews.com/story/131108/the-trials-and-tribulations-of-ui-scaling-on-linux/ [https://pleroma.site/objects/50b90796-5558-45e2-bd77-29580d4b872b]Dec 31 00:34
XRevan86psydroid: Code-wise it's epiphany of bloat.Dec 31 00:34
XRevan86psydroid: But somehow it doesn't force a Google account on you, does it?Dec 31 00:34
psydroidXRevan86, I did that too, but I was trying to aim for some level of convenienceDec 31 00:35
XRevan86The talker wouldn't even notice the bloat in FalkonDec 31 00:35
XRevan86Meanwhile it'd take hours to build on his PC from the ground up.Dec 31 00:36
psydroidXRevan86, it doesn't, that's correctDec 31 00:38
psydroidI prefer Netsurf myself, but that doesn't work for everythingDec 31 00:39
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XRevan86psydroid: I'm sure he doesn't cover the issue of the web becoming so complicated that it's practically impossible to develop a new browser engine from scratch.Dec 31 00:40
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psydroidXRevan86, I suggest a new internet using a different port and possibly protocol that is more in line with the original idea of the semantic webDec 31 00:42
XRevan86"The web" spiraled completely out of controlDec 31 00:43
psydroidsomething went horribly wrong when web pages became applicationsDec 31 00:43
XRevan86psydroid: And it'd fail, because it won't be able to sepersedeDec 31 00:43
XRevan86psydroid: It's hard to pinpoint the exact moment when that happenedDec 31 00:44
XRevan86Because it kinda did with Java applets and the Flash plugin.Dec 31 00:45
MinceRs/new internet/new web/Dec 31 00:46
XRevan86And then after the Overton window widened, the only way out of browser plugin hell was infinitely extensible HTML/CSS/JSDec 31 00:46
MinceRis there a reason to toss HTTP?Dec 31 00:46
psydroidnew internet too maybe? but that would be a much larger undertaking and not directly related to thisDec 31 00:47
XRevan86And now that infinitely extensible web is here to stay, how do you replace that?Dec 31 00:47
XRevan86psydroid: It's like asking people to use Gopher. It's still done, but why really?Dec 31 00:48
danielp3344http is fine, html and css are fineDec 31 00:50
danielp3344SSL and JS have problemsDec 31 00:50
XRevan86One'd still have RAM filled with Firefox or ChromiumDec 31 00:50
XRevan86danielp3344: HTML and CSS really aren't fineDec 31 00:50
danielp3344why not?Dec 31 00:51
XRevan86danielp3344: Let's just say, Netsurf isn't compliant even though it could easily go and use SpiderMonkey or V8 which are available separately.Dec 31 00:52
MinceRbecause gopher is not a tumor of bloatDec 31 00:52
danielp3344compliant?Dec 31 00:52
MinceRi'd rather toss html and css into a dumpsterDec 31 00:52
danielp3344I like themDec 31 00:53
danielp3344But I could be sold on something else as long as we got rid of SSL and JSDec 31 00:53
MinceRif netsurf used spidermonkey or v8, it would become bloatedDec 31 00:53
MinceRalso, then it would also have to provide DOMDec 31 00:53
danielp3344or any other applications in documentsDec 31 00:53
MinceRso that the scripts it runs can manipulate the pages the way they expect toDec 31 00:53
XRevan86danielp3344: As a user (web developer) you don't have to go deep into the complexity of the specification and practical consequences of a very forgiving approach (your engine has to understand code even if it's not correct).Dec 31 00:55
XRevan86MinceR: I said it in a context of impossibility to make a new web browser engine.Dec 31 00:57
XRevan86It's still practically impossible even though JS can be off-loaded to Mozilla or Google.Dec 31 00:58
MinceR(audio:important) https://hugelol.com/lol/644779Dec 31 01:00
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XRevan86A real example: Servo. It's HTML, yet it takes so many years of work of experienced in engine writing peopleDec 31 01:03
XRevan86Insanely ambitiousDec 31 01:04
XRevan86And it's realised through incremental changes to an already existing working HTML rendererDec 31 01:04
XRevan86Because no one is going to just replace a magic box.Dec 31 01:04
XRevan86danielp3344: So that's HTML for you.Dec 31 01:05
MinceRand in the end it will still be in vain, because it's controlled by mozillaDec 31 01:05
MinceRthe people who probably came up with the first browser to attempt to force poetteringaudio on usersDec 31 01:05
XRevan86danielp3344: I'm talking about practical HTML of course, the concept could have gone a different direction: XHTML.Dec 31 01:06
XRevan86And even though XHTML is a thing and has merit, as a concept of strictly defined features it's gone.Dec 31 01:07
XRevan86Instead now it's just HTML with a better defined syntax, and that's it.Dec 31 01:09
psydroidI have a few of those books here for XML and XSLT but never really got to read themDec 31 01:12
psydroidback then I thought that was the future direction of the webDec 31 01:13
psydroidinstead it became HTML combined with big lumps of JSDec 31 01:14
XRevan86Alas, I'm not sure that even if that were the future of the web, it would've worked out.Dec 31 01:16
XRevan86After all, Java applets and Flash.Dec 31 01:16
MinceRand microsloth, crApple, netfucks, w3c, DRMDec 31 01:17
MinceRalso, patent-encumbered codecsDec 31 01:17
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XRevan86I guess it was already too late.Dec 31 01:18
XRevan86Codecs are a nice one. Regardless of whatever W3C specifies, a web browser engine has to utilise the whole of ffmpeg if it wants a good range of compatibility.Dec 31 01:20
MinceRthey could have recommended unencumbered codecsDec 31 01:20
XRevan86MinceR: I think they do.Dec 31 01:21
MinceRbut that wouldn't have been good enough for the racket mpeg la (including crApple) is runningDec 31 01:21
MinceRthey don'tDec 31 01:21
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XRevan86MinceR: The only word that matters here is Google's.Dec 31 01:21
MinceRi doubt thatDec 31 01:22
MinceRbut theirs isn't any good eitherDec 31 01:22
MinceRexample: webm got nowhere because hypePhones don't implement itDec 31 01:22
XRevan86MinceR: Well, yea, also GPU acceleration is a factor.Dec 31 01:22
XRevan86MinceR: If Google Chrome were to accept only WebM, the whole web developer community would have discovered that it's possible to supply options in different codecs at the same time.Dec 31 01:23
MinceRso why didn't they do that?Dec 31 01:24
XRevan86Right now a good developer should supply two video files.Dec 31 01:24
XRevan86But a bad developer doesn't have an incentive to do so.Dec 31 01:24
XRevan86MinceR: GPU acceleration probably.Dec 31 01:25
XRevan86MinceR: H.264 is better for battery life on a lot of hardware.Dec 31 01:25
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XRevan86I am unsure how this problem is tackled with. Especially since H.265 is in the same situation as AV1, so maybe, just maybe, new hardware could make a switch.Dec 31 01:27
XRevan86MinceR: At least Google is interested in ditching MPEG, so who knows, maybe we'll live to see the day when they use their browser monopoly to do just thatDec 31 01:28
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schestowitzhttps://www.phoronix.com/forums/forum/phoronix/latest-phoronix-articles/1148758-a-last-call-to-show-your-support-in-2019#post1148758Dec 31 01:32
schestowitz"Dec 31 01:32
schestowitzI disabled ad blocking for this specific site. No other sites gets this special treatment.Dec 31 01:32
schestowitzPremium? Depends on forum moderation. So much bad language.Dec 31 01:32
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-A Last Call To Show Your Support In 2019 - Phoronix ForumsDec 31 01:32
schestowitz'Dec 31 01:32
schestowitz"Dec 31 01:32
schestowitzComments like this is really poor and racism.Dec 31 01:32
schestowitzhttps://www.phoronix.com/forums/foru...11#post1145211Dec 31 01:32
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights- ( status 404 @ https://www.phoronix.com/forums/foru...11#post1145211 )Dec 31 01:32
schestowitz"Dec 31 01:32
schestowitzhttps://www.phoronix.com/forums/forum/software/desktop-linux/1144871-gnome-shell-3-35-2-begins-launching-spawned-processes-within-systemd-scopes?p=1145211#post1145211Dec 31 01:32
schestowitz"nigga"Dec 31 01:32
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schestowitz"Dec 31 01:32
schestowitzI'd like to see proof that users asking for censorship would actually pay to be premium.Dec 31 01:32
schestowitzMeanwhile as an actual premium user it would have made me go away.Dec 31 01:32
schestowitz"Dec 31 01:32
schestowitz"pingouinator Strawman. Moderation and censorship are very different things.."Dec 31 01:33
schestowitz"You say "moderation" but what you actually want is censorship. You're not fooling anyone."Dec 31 01:33
schestowitz"Dec 31 01:33
schestowitzThe forums are a little aside to voice your opinion or share a link/bit of gossip from the tech world etc. There's nothing wrong with swearing. Don't take words on a screen so personally. It's free speech which you're free to disregard or question, but they're entitled to write whatever they like as long as there's an obvious point to it (and on topic to the thread).Dec 31 01:33
schestowitzIf you see something obnoxious or off topic....scroll past it. Internet 101.Dec 31 01:33
schestowitzMichael's efforts and due diligence are reason enough for a little financial uplift whenever possible. I don't have a lot of disposable income, but I'll setup a paypal and send you something shortly. If you set funding goals on the site like wikipedia, you might garner a little more support, but I think it wouldn't hurt to do a strawpoll or two on how the business model should adapt in order to be able to continue.Dec 31 01:33
schestowitz"Dec 31 01:33
schestowitz"I don't really remember seeing much trolling or noise in lwn comments, maybe I missed something."Dec 31 01:33
XRevan86schestowitz: Went to see if it's used in a derogatory sense, and now I don't know what purpose it uses there at all.Dec 31 01:37
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schestowitzarguably a cultural referenceDec 31 01:39
schestowitzlike a songDec 31 01:39
schestowitz"Jigga wah, jigga who? (Jay-X)Dec 31 01:39
schestowitzJay-ZDec 31 01:40
MinceR"Jigga jigga!" -- HP BaxxterDec 31 01:46
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linuxgirlHi guys :-)Dec 31 01:55
linuxgirlGood article about Phoronix ... I'd stopped going there because of the constant privacy pop up thingDec 31 01:55
linuxgirlCoincidence too, as unfortunately new Discourse Krita forum is a bit iffy ... have to click something out of the way, to even reply/post, and, after doing some reading about Discourse, and krita's forum docs, it does say about other monitoring etc, which goes across browser/not just the forum. Dec 31 01:55
linuxgirlI've emailed to leave. It can be hard to find places, but privacy gets worse. Anybody experience of Crimson Daggers? That looks good. Dec 31 01:55
linuxgirlAbout Phoronix, had no idea it was even worse than I thought ... great that you've asked him about it, as definitely off-putting for linux ppl/anyone who cares about privacyDec 31 01:55
linuxgirlOkay, typing to self, except for freenode producing something. Have a good new year, and all the best for 2020. Dec 31 01:56
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MinceR(audio:unimportant) https://pr0gramm.com/top/3566733   ( https://vid.pr0gramm.com/2019/12/15/3900e1976b5b32e8.mp4 )Dec 31 02:28
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schestowitzhttps://twitter.com/SwapBhartiya/status/1211697857868288000Dec 31 02:37
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@SwapBhartiya: Yay. https://t.co/pU7lHz0au1Dec 31 02:37
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@SwapBhartiya: Yay. https://t.co/pU7lHz0au1Dec 31 02:37
schestowitzfacepamDec 31 02:37
schestowitz#linuxfoundation = apple cultists and Microsoft boostersDec 31 02:38
schestowitz*facepalmDec 31 03:01
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schestowitzhttp://cycling.today/watch-thirsty-koala-flags-down-cyclist-and-climbs-bike-for-water/Dec 31 05:08
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-cycling.today | Watch: Thirsty koala flags down cyclist and climbs bike for water | Cycling TodayDec 31 05:08
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schestowitzhttps://debian.community/debian-private-leaked/Dec 31 07:32
schestowitz"Dec 31 07:32
schestowitzDebian's public mailing lists include huge threads preaching about codes of conduct, such as this in December 2019. The mentality of operating debian-private and the things that leadership figures write there contradict all of that.Dec 31 07:32
schestowitzWhen the leaders of the organization and key figures in the cabal behave abusively in what they consider to be a safe space, it is completely unreasonable to be upset at other developers for the tone of things they write anywhere else. Human behaviour is often a good reflection of the leadership.Dec 31 07:32
schestowitzImproving leadership standards and diversity both require real acts of leadership and transparency, not Molly's call-to-gossip. The leaking of this particular material, if it is intended to undermine confidence in debian-private, could be classed as a leadership act.Dec 31 07:32
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-debian.community | debian-private archives leakedDec 31 07:32
schestowitz"Dec 31 07:32
schestowitzhttps://debian.community/fragmentation-and-maturity-in-debian/Dec 31 07:39
schestowitz"Many of us have been to leadership seminars organized by our employers from time to time. Nobody can ever recall one where the presenter delves into whispering networks, demotions and expulsions, mocking people present at the event itself. The human relations philosophy espoused by de Blanc can be summarized in one word: cyberbullying."Dec 31 07:39
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-debian.community | Why is there so much fragmentation and division in Debian?Dec 31 07:39
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oiaohmschestowitz: that seams like a horrible targeted leak.Dec 31 08:56
oiaohmschestowitz: you would expect a proper leak from a mailing list to be way broader.Dec 31 08:56
schestowitzmaybeDec 31 09:04
schestowitzI don't know what's even in  itDec 31 09:04
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Hail_Spacecakeschestowitz: whisper networks are an extremely feminine coded thingDec 31 09:47
scientesPAINDec 31 09:47
Hail_Spacecakeman it's weird seeing a young rmsDec 31 09:49
Hail_Spacecakeschestowitz: is there any more of that video? that looks like one clip taken out of ocntextDec 31 09:56
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schestowitzthere is more that  I sawDec 31 10:15
schestowitzbut good like finding all the pieces 35 years laterDec 31 10:15
schestowitzstorage was expensive back thenDec 31 10:16
schestowitzso I doubt many kept the video on some floppies or magnetic disksDec 31 10:16
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schestowitzhttps://joindiaspora.com/posts/16876300Dec 31 11:14
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: "That’s my observation as well. I believe the correlation between a mature community and willingness to pay for content is pretty solid." People ask for #censorship as condition of paying #phoronix and some demand the opposite: free speech https://www.phoronix.com/forums/forum/phoronix/latest-phoronix-articles/1148758-a-last-call-to-show-your-support-in-2019/page2Dec 31 11:14
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights--> A Last Call To Show Your Support In 2019 - Phoronix ForumsDec 31 11:14
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MinceRhttps://hugelolcdn.com/i/644828.jpgDec 31 15:36
MinceRhttps://hugelolcdn.com/i/644736.jpgDec 31 15:45
XRevan86MinceR: He has no ground thoughDec 31 15:49
XRevan86arth Plagueis was a Dark Lord of the Sith, so powerful and so wise he could use the Force to influence the midichlorians to create life… unfortunately he forgot to dereference a pointer and all he created turned to cancer. Dec 31 15:53
schestowitzhe's groundedDec 31 15:54
MinceR:>Dec 31 15:56
XRevan86Darth Plagueis was a Dark Lord of the Sith, so powerful and so wise he could create life. He was a woman by birth, you know.Dec 31 15:58
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MinceRThe Dark Side of the Force is a pathway to many abilities some consider to be... sploitz.Dec 31 16:05
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XRevan86light side; unsafe { dark side; }Dec 31 16:07
danielp3344lolDec 31 16:07
MinceREvery single Jedi is now KOS.Dec 31 16:08
XRevan86https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/KOS_(Yugoslavia) ?Dec 31 16:09
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-en.wikipedia.org | KOS (Yugoslavia) - WikipediaDec 31 16:09
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schestowitzamarsh04: any fires in Adelaide?Dec 31 16:10
schestowitzhttps://www.phoronix.com/forums/forum/phoronix/site-discussion/1147416-after-3-600-original-articles-this-year-on-linux-open-source-let-s-have-a-holiday-special/page2Dec 31 16:16
schestowitz"I hope sponsoring will not be necessary, to not loose in quality of the articles."Dec 31 16:16
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-After 3,600 Original Articles This Year On Linux/Open-Source, Let's Have A Holiday Special - Phoronix ForumsDec 31 16:16
schestowitz"It's not a dick move to protect ourselves from the privacy destroy adverts. Seriously, look it up. 99% of adverts attempt to track everything you do, building up big databases - there's a reason why Phoronix and other sites are forced to show "we care about your privacy" cookie banner crap - because of how they work. Seriously, next time the banner pops up on Phoronix, click the button to see just how many things it wants to use - it's Dec 31 16:16
schestowitzmaddening."Dec 31 16:16
MinceRXRevan86: Kill On SightDec 31 16:17
schestowitz"Dec 31 16:18
schestowitzOh and also, have a progress bar towards a funding goal, something simple that you could set monthly based on the sum of subscriptions, Liberapay, Paypal, etcDec 31 16:18
schestowitzAnd there could be goals like removing advertising past a certain point. You have a target demographic that should be receptive to this.Dec 31 16:18
schestowitz"Dec 31 16:18
schestowitz"For me the ideal model these days is free access to content with no ads for everyone + a patreon."Dec 31 16:18
schestowitz"Dec 31 16:19
schestowitzI would really like to be a supporter - unfortunately I am not willing to use PayPal at all - would you consider something like paysafecard ???Dec 31 16:19
schestowitzIf so I would be glad to get a message and become a supporter ...Dec 31 16:19
schestowitz"Dec 31 16:19
MinceRhttps://img.pr0gramm.com/2019/12/14/7b847b3537e3cee0.jpgDec 31 16:24
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MinceR(audio:unimportant) https://i.imgur.com/YzLkSMn.mp4Dec 31 17:40
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schestowitzMinceR: nice Lego duck Dec 31 17:58
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MinceRhttps://ircz.de/p/19083041Dec 31 19:38
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-ircz.de | IRCZ makes your life worth living Post objectDec 31 19:38
MinceRhttps://ircz.de/p/19083020Dec 31 19:43
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-ircz.de | IRCZ makes your life worth living Post objectDec 31 19:43
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linuxgirlHi guys :-)  Dec 31 19:46
XRevan86linuxgirl: hiDec 31 19:51
linuxgirlJust quickly popping in to say all the best, and brief update that krita kind of responded ie acknowledged that should pay attention to GDPR, but said it'll mean changing plugin code so could take a while ... this is about the forced cookie agreement that overlays being able to reply/post. Unexpectedly long forum talk, that was very confusing inDec 31 19:51
linuxgirlsome ways ... 'we have nothing to do with discourse or their privacy policy' yet the privacy page is discourse's privacy page copied nearly word for word, except for changing things to refer to krita. Anyway, made a clear point about privacy and GDPR, and maybe won't stay around the forum. I said that hopefully no telemetry ever in Krita itself ...Dec 31 19:51
linuxgirlthey said it would be opt in, if at all. Thank goodness for appimages I say, as they'll be possible to run forever pretty much. Krita want the Blender experience/more corporate funding, clearly, and it's such a good program/lots of good work gone into it, but worrying that this new forum is a bit data-iffy etc. Dec 31 19:51
linuxgirlHi XRevan86Dec 31 19:51
schestowitzhiDec 31 19:51
linuxgirlHiya Dec 31 19:51
linuxgirlSurprising how little the GDPR is regarded ... rarely find anywhere with the option to decline given. Dec 31 19:53
linuxgirlre china/russia more into linux, I really hope there's the least china involvement, with the data-mining/human rights issues being so aggressive ... bad enough already that Huawei contributes any codeDec 31 19:58
schestowitzgtgDec 31 20:00
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Hail_SpacecakeI think it's good that huawei can commit code to linux, even though they may be puppets of a government that does things that some other contributors to linux don't likeDec 31 20:13
Hail_Spacecakeit's also reasonable to want to mitigate the possibility that huawei will commit so much code, or such important code, that they will have de-facto control over the direction of linux as a projectDec 31 20:14
MinceRi doubt it can get worse now that microshit got control of LinuxDec 31 20:20
Hail_SpacecakeMinceR: what specific things are you worried about microsoft doing by contributing code to the linux kernel?Dec 31 20:30
Hail_Spacecakeand what policy changes wrt who can commit code to the kernel would you like to see to mitigate this?Dec 31 20:31
MinceRmaking it an unusable pile of crap like every other microsloth productDec 31 20:33
Hail_Spacecakehow so?Dec 31 20:33
Hail_SpacecakeI admit I don't pay close attention to the linux kernelDec 31 20:33
MinceRpolicy changes: removal of CoC, ending the blackmail they're doing against Linus, canceling the Linux-destroying Foundation and replacing it with one controlled by the communityDec 31 20:33
Hail_SpacecakeI don't know what people on the payroll of various companies are includingDec 31 20:34
Hail_Spacecakeokay yeah Codes of conduct are I think pushed by people working for large companiesDec 31 20:34
MinceRsome microsuck drone even admitted that they did itDec 31 20:34
Hail_Spacecakeand part of the justification for them is people paid by a large firm to work on the kernel have an expectation of a non-hostile work environment according to US labor lawDec 31 20:34
Hail_SpacecakeI don't think this is just microsfot thoughDec 31 20:35
Hail_Spacecakethis is a problem with allowing people paid by any firm large enough to have a HR department staffed by feministsDec 31 20:35
Hail_Spacecaketo contribute to the kernelDec 31 20:35
Hail_Spacecakeand there are plenty of people who support feminist CoCs who don't necessarily work for large companiesDec 31 20:36
Hail_Spacecakeit's a political position, one I disagree with Dec 31 20:36
MinceRthen maybe they should develop their own kernelDec 31 20:36
Hail_Spacecakebut I don't think it would be god for the kernel (or any other open-soruce project) to impose a specific political test on contributorsDec 31 20:36
MinceRoh, right, they tried thatDec 31 20:36
MinceRand it was an absolute clusterfuckDec 31 20:36
Hail_Spacecakelike "no feminists"Dec 31 20:36
Hail_SpacecakeMinceR: what thing are you talking about?Dec 31 20:37
MinceRi'm talking about winblows ntDec 31 20:37
MinceRthe most bloated kernel in existenceDec 31 20:37
MinceR(and the rest of it is about as bloated as it gets too)Dec 31 20:37
Hail_Spacecakewe're talking past each other I thinkDec 31 20:37
Hail_Spacecakefeminists working at microsfot over the past 30 years didn't create windows ntDec 31 20:38
MinceRno, but people keep letting microsloth control thingsDec 31 20:39
MinceRand it always leads to catastropheDec 31 20:39
Hail_Spacecakeit's a mistake to focus on microsoftDec 31 20:40
Hail_Spacecakecorporate feminism is a problem in any large US corporationDec 31 20:40
Hail_Spacecakegoogle, github (before MS bought them)Dec 31 20:40
Hail_Spacecakecoraline ehmke works for salesforce I thinkDec 31 20:40
Hail_Spacecakenone of these are microsoftDec 31 20:40
Hail_Spacecakeand microsoft has drastically lost power since the 90s due to shifts in the entire computing landscape that htey didn't anticipateDec 31 20:41
Hail_SpacecakeI am more concerned about google and facebook and twitter controlling my computing than about ms doing soDec 31 20:41
MinceRso how come they get to be the gatekeepers of uefi restricted boot?Dec 31 20:43
MinceRand how come they get to be in charge of the Linux-Destroying Foundation, and via it, Linux?Dec 31 20:43
Hail_Spacecakehow much does UEFI restricted boot harm you personally?Dec 31 20:48
Hail_Spacecakehow much does locked down bootloaders on most android smartphones do so?Dec 31 20:48
Hail_SpacecakeI've personally had way more trouble with the latter than the formerDec 31 20:48
MinceRif i was less careful about choosing laptops, it would harm me a great dealDec 31 20:52
MinceRand i don't think that the appearance of locked-down mobile phones gives microshit the right to decide who gets to enter the desktop PC OS market and who doesn'tDec 31 20:53
MinceRbesides, phones always suckedDec 31 20:53
MinceRit looked for a while that we're finally getting phones that run a decent OS, but noDec 31 20:53
MinceRin a way, they even got worseDec 31 20:55
MinceRcrApple made closed platforms "hip" and "cool" and android is heading that wayDec 31 20:56
Hail_Spacecakeno apple made *their* platform hip and cool to people who don't care about software freedomDec 31 21:10
Hail_Spacecakevia marketingDec 31 21:10
Hail_Spacecakeand being good at some types of software artists care aboutDec 31 21:10
Hail_Spacecakeand being easy to use for people who don't care about computers, most of the time anywayDec 31 21:11
Hail_Spacecakealso a lot of people get value out of the fact that apple curates the app store, because it prevents them from accidetnally installing a lot of classes of obvious malwareDec 31 21:11
Hail_Spacecakeand they don't care about being able to run software apple doesn't approve of for political reasonsDec 31 21:12
Hail_Spacecakemost ofthe time anyway; this came up during the HK protestsDec 31 21:12
Hail_SpacecakeI think it's a basic requirement of a free platform that you should be able to run software on it the government or apple or apple under government pressure doesn't want you to runDec 31 21:12
Hail_Spacecakebut a lot of people fundamentally don't think this wayDec 31 21:13
MinceR31 221034 < Hail_Spacecake> no apple made *their* platform hip and cool to people who don't care about software freedomDec 31 21:13
Hail_Spacecakethis isnt' hip or cool and even the people who want this don't think in terms of hip and coolDec 31 21:13
Hail_Spacecakethey think in terms of safetyDec 31 21:13
MinceRyes, and others are copying themDec 31 21:13
MinceRand it's turning computers into shitDec 31 21:13
MinceRincluding phonesDec 31 21:13
Hail_Spacecakethe iphone has never been a free platformDec 31 21:14
Hail_Spacecakemacs haven't been since, i dunno the 80s?Dec 31 21:14
Hail_Spacecakenot that the free software ecosystem existed then anywayDec 31 21:14
Hail_Spacecakeapple still has a minority of both the pc and smartphone marketDec 31 21:14
Hail_Spacecakeeven after all these decadesDec 31 21:14
MinceRonce the equivalent of a hypePhone is forced on everyone because most of the available money on the market is in the hands of morons who couldn't even use a computer, let alone need one, what do you think IT professionals will develop software on?Dec 31 21:15
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DaemonFC[m]I hacked up a PC to run OS X at one point to see what the fuss was all about. When I figured out that it was less useful than Linux I got rid of it.Dec 31 21:57
DaemonFC[m]It amazes me that anyone pays money for something that's less useful than a Linux or a Windows PC, but costs many times more at the same time.Dec 31 21:58
DaemonFC[m]I mean, I at least understand people who use a PC with Windows because it does run real software and didn't cost several thousands of dollars.Dec 31 21:58
DaemonFC[m]A Mac seems to be like pay thousands to run an obscure OS that can't do much on a really underpowered computer.Dec 31 21:59
MinceRyeah, one can run OSuX in a vm for a laughDec 31 22:08
MinceRit's a fashion accessory thoughDec 31 22:09
MinceRall crApple products areDec 31 22:09
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MinceRhttps://hugelolcdn.com/i/642591.jpgDec 31 22:11
Hail_Spacecakeyeah I think iOS devices are to some extent fashion accessoriesDec 31 22:29
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matlockHail_Spacecake Up until the G4 Apple provided specs for it's processor and chipset, so you could install BeOS, but that got locked down around the same time Jobs returned and the clones ended, BeOS tried to pivot to x86Dec 31 23:22
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MinceRhnyDec 31 23:34
danielp3344\o/Dec 31 23:35
matlockApple began locking down Mac beginning with the G3 actually, not the G4. Linux was still available for PowerPC because the community reverse-engineered the spec. JLG was worried about legal threats from Apple/Motorola/IBM for reverse engineering.Dec 31 23:36
DaemonFC[m]Actually....Dec 31 23:36
DaemonFC[m]Be Inc. was trying to get bought by Apple to be the new Mac OS.Dec 31 23:36
DaemonFC[m]It ended when the CEO of Be said they had Apple by the balls.Dec 31 23:37
matlockYup JLG scuttled the deal with that comment, Apple went with NeXT and Jobs, Jobs immediately cancelled clones and shut out Be.Dec 31 23:49
matlockBeOS was amazing though, booting up in seconds, running RealPlayer, playing Doom, and using Opera all at the same time on a Pentium 133 with 32MB of RAM. I like Haiku and wish it got some commercial development to speed it along. It would make a great IoT interface with it's Qt compatability.Dec 31 23:52

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