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XRevan86 | MinceR: There isn't even a need to go that far | Dec 31 00:00 |
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XRevan86 | "I think the reason is simply that since things are no longer coded from scratch, from [the] start, what we end up doing is we just pile code on top of code on top of code" – a proper quote this time. | Dec 31 00:02 |
XRevan86 | And with the examples given, no, that's not the reason at all! | Dec 31 00:03 |
MinceR | https://img.pr0gramm.com/2019/12/13/2db4d45e63c428d6.jpg | Dec 31 00:03 |
XRevan86 | This annoys me so much, because I expected a talk on this very topic, but these are all examples of software just not caring at all about resource consumption. | Dec 31 00:03 |
XRevan86 | Microsoft can "fix" mandatory Windows Update in a minute, Microsoft Office can easily be made a lot less resource-hungry just by stripping wells and whistels out of it. | Dec 31 00:04 |
XRevan86 | bells and whistles | Dec 31 00:05 |
XRevan86 | Electron is in more of a "unfixable" territory, but he doesn't touch it | Dec 31 00:05 |
XRevan86 | Lines of code of Linux… this counts in new drivers, so not bias-free either. | Dec 31 00:07 |
XRevan86 | And even though I'm pretty sure Linux does get bigger over time, it's nowhere near that rate. This stat would show exponential growth even if Linux were completely frozen with only new drivers allowed in. | Dec 31 00:14 |
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XRevan86 | So my points in short: 1. the problem is real; 2. in on itself it's not as bad; 3. the talker conflates it with not related issues and then draws conclusions from that; 4. he doesn't try to seek alternatives that do the job without the baggage of non-sense, rendering the talk even less constructive. | Dec 31 00:19 |
XRevan86 | Use libre software and you'll see that somehow with layers and layers of code, just like he talks, somehow it doesn't force an update on you. | Dec 31 00:22 |
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XRevan86 | And the problem of actual software unpleasantness is caused by proprietary software developers like Microsoft thinking they can get away with it. | Dec 31 00:28 |
psydroid | I agree with the driver issue, but even then I will have a hard time getting the kernel size down to what it used to be even 10 years ago. Also I see that user applications are getting bloated faster than the operating system itself. I hope to have the skills to contribute to alternatives eventually. | Dec 31 00:29 |
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XRevan86 | psydroid: Indeed, but, like I said, the growth rate is nowhere near the level of dramatic. | Dec 31 00:30 |
XRevan86 | psydroid: User applications are a lot more replaceable, for the most part. | Dec 31 00:30 |
XRevan86 | Because Linux is so important, its example is a lot more impactful. | Dec 31 00:31 |
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psydroid | I could go down to 425 mb using Fluxbox, Falkon and invidio.us playing a youtube video today, which is still quite decent | Dec 31 00:32 |
XRevan86 | psydroid: Or you could download it with youtube-dl and play it with mpv | Dec 31 00:33 |
psydroid | I'm interested in how much lower that amount could go | Dec 31 00:33 |
XRevan86 | psydroid: Falkon is a good example, actually | Dec 31 00:34 |
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XRevan86 | psydroid: Code-wise it's epiphany of bloat. | Dec 31 00:34 |
XRevan86 | psydroid: But somehow it doesn't force a Google account on you, does it? | Dec 31 00:34 |
psydroid | XRevan86, I did that too, but I was trying to aim for some level of convenience | Dec 31 00:35 |
XRevan86 | The talker wouldn't even notice the bloat in Falkon | Dec 31 00:35 |
XRevan86 | Meanwhile it'd take hours to build on his PC from the ground up. | Dec 31 00:36 |
psydroid | XRevan86, it doesn't, that's correct | Dec 31 00:38 |
psydroid | I prefer Netsurf myself, but that doesn't work for everything | Dec 31 00:39 |
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XRevan86 | psydroid: I'm sure he doesn't cover the issue of the web becoming so complicated that it's practically impossible to develop a new browser engine from scratch. | Dec 31 00:40 |
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psydroid | XRevan86, I suggest a new internet using a different port and possibly protocol that is more in line with the original idea of the semantic web | Dec 31 00:42 |
XRevan86 | "The web" spiraled completely out of control | Dec 31 00:43 |
psydroid | something went horribly wrong when web pages became applications | Dec 31 00:43 |
XRevan86 | psydroid: And it'd fail, because it won't be able to sepersede | Dec 31 00:43 |
XRevan86 | psydroid: It's hard to pinpoint the exact moment when that happened | Dec 31 00:44 |
XRevan86 | Because it kinda did with Java applets and the Flash plugin. | Dec 31 00:45 |
MinceR | s/new internet/new web/ | Dec 31 00:46 |
XRevan86 | And then after the Overton window widened, the only way out of browser plugin hell was infinitely extensible HTML/CSS/JS | Dec 31 00:46 |
MinceR | is there a reason to toss HTTP? | Dec 31 00:46 |
psydroid | new internet too maybe? but that would be a much larger undertaking and not directly related to this | Dec 31 00:47 |
XRevan86 | And now that infinitely extensible web is here to stay, how do you replace that? | Dec 31 00:47 |
XRevan86 | psydroid: It's like asking people to use Gopher. It's still done, but why really? | Dec 31 00:48 |
danielp3344 | http is fine, html and css are fine | Dec 31 00:50 |
danielp3344 | SSL and JS have problems | Dec 31 00:50 |
XRevan86 | One'd still have RAM filled with Firefox or Chromium | Dec 31 00:50 |
XRevan86 | danielp3344: HTML and CSS really aren't fine | Dec 31 00:50 |
danielp3344 | why not? | Dec 31 00:51 |
XRevan86 | danielp3344: Let's just say, Netsurf isn't compliant even though it could easily go and use SpiderMonkey or V8 which are available separately. | Dec 31 00:52 |
MinceR | because gopher is not a tumor of bloat | Dec 31 00:52 |
danielp3344 | compliant? | Dec 31 00:52 |
MinceR | i'd rather toss html and css into a dumpster | Dec 31 00:52 |
danielp3344 | I like them | Dec 31 00:53 |
danielp3344 | But I could be sold on something else as long as we got rid of SSL and JS | Dec 31 00:53 |
MinceR | if netsurf used spidermonkey or v8, it would become bloated | Dec 31 00:53 |
MinceR | also, then it would also have to provide DOM | Dec 31 00:53 |
danielp3344 | or any other applications in documents | Dec 31 00:53 |
MinceR | so that the scripts it runs can manipulate the pages the way they expect to | Dec 31 00:53 |
XRevan86 | danielp3344: As a user (web developer) you don't have to go deep into the complexity of the specification and practical consequences of a very forgiving approach (your engine has to understand code even if it's not correct). | Dec 31 00:55 |
XRevan86 | MinceR: I said it in a context of impossibility to make a new web browser engine. | Dec 31 00:57 |
XRevan86 | It's still practically impossible even though JS can be off-loaded to Mozilla or Google. | Dec 31 00:58 |
MinceR | (audio:important) https://hugelol.com/lol/644779 | Dec 31 01:00 |
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XRevan86 | A real example: Servo. It's HTML, yet it takes so many years of work of experienced in engine writing people | Dec 31 01:03 |
XRevan86 | Insanely ambitious | Dec 31 01:04 |
XRevan86 | And it's realised through incremental changes to an already existing working HTML renderer | Dec 31 01:04 |
XRevan86 | Because no one is going to just replace a magic box. | Dec 31 01:04 |
XRevan86 | danielp3344: So that's HTML for you. | Dec 31 01:05 |
MinceR | and in the end it will still be in vain, because it's controlled by mozilla | Dec 31 01:05 |
MinceR | the people who probably came up with the first browser to attempt to force poetteringaudio on users | Dec 31 01:05 |
XRevan86 | danielp3344: I'm talking about practical HTML of course, the concept could have gone a different direction: XHTML. | Dec 31 01:06 |
XRevan86 | And even though XHTML is a thing and has merit, as a concept of strictly defined features it's gone. | Dec 31 01:07 |
XRevan86 | Instead now it's just HTML with a better defined syntax, and that's it. | Dec 31 01:09 |
psydroid | I have a few of those books here for XML and XSLT but never really got to read them | Dec 31 01:12 |
psydroid | back then I thought that was the future direction of the web | Dec 31 01:13 |
psydroid | instead it became HTML combined with big lumps of JS | Dec 31 01:14 |
XRevan86 | Alas, I'm not sure that even if that were the future of the web, it would've worked out. | Dec 31 01:16 |
XRevan86 | After all, Java applets and Flash. | Dec 31 01:16 |
MinceR | and microsloth, crApple, netfucks, w3c, DRM | Dec 31 01:17 |
MinceR | also, patent-encumbered codecs | Dec 31 01:17 |
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XRevan86 | I guess it was already too late. | Dec 31 01:18 |
XRevan86 | Codecs are a nice one. Regardless of whatever W3C specifies, a web browser engine has to utilise the whole of ffmpeg if it wants a good range of compatibility. | Dec 31 01:20 |
MinceR | they could have recommended unencumbered codecs | Dec 31 01:20 |
XRevan86 | MinceR: I think they do. | Dec 31 01:21 |
MinceR | but that wouldn't have been good enough for the racket mpeg la (including crApple) is running | Dec 31 01:21 |
MinceR | they don't | Dec 31 01:21 |
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XRevan86 | MinceR: The only word that matters here is Google's. | Dec 31 01:21 |
MinceR | i doubt that | Dec 31 01:22 |
MinceR | but theirs isn't any good either | Dec 31 01:22 |
MinceR | example: webm got nowhere because hypePhones don't implement it | Dec 31 01:22 |
XRevan86 | MinceR: Well, yea, also GPU acceleration is a factor. | Dec 31 01:22 |
XRevan86 | MinceR: If Google Chrome were to accept only WebM, the whole web developer community would have discovered that it's possible to supply options in different codecs at the same time. | Dec 31 01:23 |
MinceR | so why didn't they do that? | Dec 31 01:24 |
XRevan86 | Right now a good developer should supply two video files. | Dec 31 01:24 |
XRevan86 | But a bad developer doesn't have an incentive to do so. | Dec 31 01:24 |
XRevan86 | MinceR: GPU acceleration probably. | Dec 31 01:25 |
XRevan86 | MinceR: H.264 is better for battery life on a lot of hardware. | Dec 31 01:25 |
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XRevan86 | I am unsure how this problem is tackled with. Especially since H.265 is in the same situation as AV1, so maybe, just maybe, new hardware could make a switch. | Dec 31 01:27 |
XRevan86 | MinceR: At least Google is interested in ditching MPEG, so who knows, maybe we'll live to see the day when they use their browser monopoly to do just that | Dec 31 01:28 |
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schestowitz | https://www.phoronix.com/forums/forum/phoronix/latest-phoronix-articles/1148758-a-last-call-to-show-your-support-in-2019#post1148758 | Dec 31 01:32 |
schestowitz | " | Dec 31 01:32 |
schestowitz | I disabled ad blocking for this specific site. No other sites gets this special treatment. | Dec 31 01:32 |
schestowitz | Premium? Depends on forum moderation. So much bad language. | Dec 31 01:32 |
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schestowitz | ' | Dec 31 01:32 |
schestowitz | " | Dec 31 01:32 |
schestowitz | Comments like this is really poor and racism. | Dec 31 01:32 |
schestowitz | https://www.phoronix.com/forums/foru...11#post1145211 | Dec 31 01:32 |
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schestowitz | " | Dec 31 01:32 |
schestowitz | https://www.phoronix.com/forums/forum/software/desktop-linux/1144871-gnome-shell-3-35-2-begins-launching-spawned-processes-within-systemd-scopes?p=1145211#post1145211 | Dec 31 01:32 |
schestowitz | "nigga" | Dec 31 01:32 |
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schestowitz | " | Dec 31 01:32 |
schestowitz | I'd like to see proof that users asking for censorship would actually pay to be premium. | Dec 31 01:32 |
schestowitz | Meanwhile as an actual premium user it would have made me go away. | Dec 31 01:32 |
schestowitz | " | Dec 31 01:32 |
schestowitz | "pingouinator Strawman. Moderation and censorship are very different things.." | Dec 31 01:33 |
schestowitz | "You say "moderation" but what you actually want is censorship. You're not fooling anyone." | Dec 31 01:33 |
schestowitz | " | Dec 31 01:33 |
schestowitz | The forums are a little aside to voice your opinion or share a link/bit of gossip from the tech world etc. There's nothing wrong with swearing. Don't take words on a screen so personally. It's free speech which you're free to disregard or question, but they're entitled to write whatever they like as long as there's an obvious point to it (and on topic to the thread). | Dec 31 01:33 |
schestowitz | If you see something obnoxious or off topic....scroll past it. Internet 101. | Dec 31 01:33 |
schestowitz | Michael's efforts and due diligence are reason enough for a little financial uplift whenever possible. I don't have a lot of disposable income, but I'll setup a paypal and send you something shortly. If you set funding goals on the site like wikipedia, you might garner a little more support, but I think it wouldn't hurt to do a strawpoll or two on how the business model should adapt in order to be able to continue. | Dec 31 01:33 |
schestowitz | " | Dec 31 01:33 |
schestowitz | "I don't really remember seeing much trolling or noise in lwn comments, maybe I missed something." | Dec 31 01:33 |
XRevan86 | schestowitz: Went to see if it's used in a derogatory sense, and now I don't know what purpose it uses there at all. | Dec 31 01:37 |
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schestowitz | arguably a cultural reference | Dec 31 01:39 |
schestowitz | like a song | Dec 31 01:39 |
schestowitz | "Jigga wah, jigga who? (Jay-X) | Dec 31 01:39 |
schestowitz | Jay-Z | Dec 31 01:40 |
MinceR | "Jigga jigga!" -- HP Baxxter | Dec 31 01:46 |
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linuxgirl | Hi guys :-) | Dec 31 01:55 |
linuxgirl | Good article about Phoronix ... I'd stopped going there because of the constant privacy pop up thing | Dec 31 01:55 |
linuxgirl | Coincidence too, as unfortunately new Discourse Krita forum is a bit iffy ... have to click something out of the way, to even reply/post, and, after doing some reading about Discourse, and krita's forum docs, it does say about other monitoring etc, which goes across browser/not just the forum. | Dec 31 01:55 |
linuxgirl | I've emailed to leave. It can be hard to find places, but privacy gets worse. Anybody experience of Crimson Daggers? That looks good. | Dec 31 01:55 |
linuxgirl | About Phoronix, had no idea it was even worse than I thought ... great that you've asked him about it, as definitely off-putting for linux ppl/anyone who cares about privacy | Dec 31 01:55 |
linuxgirl | Okay, typing to self, except for freenode producing something. Have a good new year, and all the best for 2020. | Dec 31 01:56 |
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MinceR | (audio:unimportant) https://pr0gramm.com/top/3566733 ( https://vid.pr0gramm.com/2019/12/15/3900e1976b5b32e8.mp4 ) | Dec 31 02:28 |
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schestowitz | https://twitter.com/SwapBhartiya/status/1211697857868288000 | Dec 31 02:37 |
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@SwapBhartiya: Yay. https://t.co/pU7lHz0au1 | Dec 31 02:37 | |
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@SwapBhartiya: Yay. https://t.co/pU7lHz0au1 | Dec 31 02:37 | |
schestowitz | facepam | Dec 31 02:37 |
schestowitz | #linuxfoundation = apple cultists and Microsoft boosters | Dec 31 02:38 |
schestowitz | *facepalm | Dec 31 03:01 |
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schestowitz | http://cycling.today/watch-thirsty-koala-flags-down-cyclist-and-climbs-bike-for-water/ | Dec 31 05:08 |
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schestowitz | https://debian.community/debian-private-leaked/ | Dec 31 07:32 |
schestowitz | " | Dec 31 07:32 |
schestowitz | Debian's public mailing lists include huge threads preaching about codes of conduct, such as this in December 2019. The mentality of operating debian-private and the things that leadership figures write there contradict all of that. | Dec 31 07:32 |
schestowitz | When the leaders of the organization and key figures in the cabal behave abusively in what they consider to be a safe space, it is completely unreasonable to be upset at other developers for the tone of things they write anywhere else. Human behaviour is often a good reflection of the leadership. | Dec 31 07:32 |
schestowitz | Improving leadership standards and diversity both require real acts of leadership and transparency, not Molly's call-to-gossip. The leaking of this particular material, if it is intended to undermine confidence in debian-private, could be classed as a leadership act. | Dec 31 07:32 |
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-debian.community | debian-private archives leaked | Dec 31 07:32 | |
schestowitz | " | Dec 31 07:32 |
schestowitz | https://debian.community/fragmentation-and-maturity-in-debian/ | Dec 31 07:39 |
schestowitz | "Many of us have been to leadership seminars organized by our employers from time to time. Nobody can ever recall one where the presenter delves into whispering networks, demotions and expulsions, mocking people present at the event itself. The human relations philosophy espoused by de Blanc can be summarized in one word: cyberbullying." | Dec 31 07:39 |
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-debian.community | Why is there so much fragmentation and division in Debian? | Dec 31 07:39 | |
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oiaohm | schestowitz: that seams like a horrible targeted leak. | Dec 31 08:56 |
oiaohm | schestowitz: you would expect a proper leak from a mailing list to be way broader. | Dec 31 08:56 |
schestowitz | maybe | Dec 31 09:04 |
schestowitz | I don't know what's even in it | Dec 31 09:04 |
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Hail_Spacecake | schestowitz: whisper networks are an extremely feminine coded thing | Dec 31 09:47 |
scientes | PAIN | Dec 31 09:47 |
Hail_Spacecake | man it's weird seeing a young rms | Dec 31 09:49 |
Hail_Spacecake | schestowitz: is there any more of that video? that looks like one clip taken out of ocntext | Dec 31 09:56 |
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schestowitz | there is more that I saw | Dec 31 10:15 |
schestowitz | but good like finding all the pieces 35 years later | Dec 31 10:15 |
schestowitz | storage was expensive back then | Dec 31 10:16 |
schestowitz | so I doubt many kept the video on some floppies or magnetic disks | Dec 31 10:16 |
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schestowitz | https://joindiaspora.com/posts/16876300 | Dec 31 11:14 |
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: "That’s my observation as well. I believe the correlation between a mature community and willingness to pay for content is pretty solid." People ask for #censorship as condition of paying #phoronix and some demand the opposite: free speech https://www.phoronix.com/forums/forum/phoronix/latest-phoronix-articles/1148758-a-last-call-to-show-your-support-in-2019/page2 | Dec 31 11:14 | |
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights--> A Last Call To Show Your Support In 2019 - Phoronix Forums | Dec 31 11:14 | |
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MinceR | https://hugelolcdn.com/i/644828.jpg | Dec 31 15:36 |
MinceR | https://hugelolcdn.com/i/644736.jpg | Dec 31 15:45 |
XRevan86 | MinceR: He has no ground though | Dec 31 15:49 |
XRevan86 | arth Plagueis was a Dark Lord of the Sith, so powerful and so wise he could use the Force to influence the midichlorians to create life… unfortunately he forgot to dereference a pointer and all he created turned to cancer. | Dec 31 15:53 |
schestowitz | he's grounded | Dec 31 15:54 |
MinceR | :> | Dec 31 15:56 |
XRevan86 | Darth Plagueis was a Dark Lord of the Sith, so powerful and so wise he could create life. He was a woman by birth, you know. | Dec 31 15:58 |
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MinceR | The Dark Side of the Force is a pathway to many abilities some consider to be... sploitz. | Dec 31 16:05 |
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XRevan86 | light side; unsafe { dark side; } | Dec 31 16:07 |
danielp3344 | lol | Dec 31 16:07 |
MinceR | Every single Jedi is now KOS. | Dec 31 16:08 |
XRevan86 | https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/KOS_(Yugoslavia) ? | Dec 31 16:09 |
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-en.wikipedia.org | KOS (Yugoslavia) - Wikipedia | Dec 31 16:09 | |
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schestowitz | amarsh04: any fires in Adelaide? | Dec 31 16:10 |
schestowitz | https://www.phoronix.com/forums/forum/phoronix/site-discussion/1147416-after-3-600-original-articles-this-year-on-linux-open-source-let-s-have-a-holiday-special/page2 | Dec 31 16:16 |
schestowitz | "I hope sponsoring will not be necessary, to not loose in quality of the articles." | Dec 31 16:16 |
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-After 3,600 Original Articles This Year On Linux/Open-Source, Let's Have A Holiday Special - Phoronix Forums | Dec 31 16:16 | |
schestowitz | "It's not a dick move to protect ourselves from the privacy destroy adverts. Seriously, look it up. 99% of adverts attempt to track everything you do, building up big databases - there's a reason why Phoronix and other sites are forced to show "we care about your privacy" cookie banner crap - because of how they work. Seriously, next time the banner pops up on Phoronix, click the button to see just how many things it wants to use - it's | Dec 31 16:16 |
schestowitz | maddening." | Dec 31 16:16 |
MinceR | XRevan86: Kill On Sight | Dec 31 16:17 |
schestowitz | " | Dec 31 16:18 |
schestowitz | Oh and also, have a progress bar towards a funding goal, something simple that you could set monthly based on the sum of subscriptions, Liberapay, Paypal, etc | Dec 31 16:18 |
schestowitz | And there could be goals like removing advertising past a certain point. You have a target demographic that should be receptive to this. | Dec 31 16:18 |
schestowitz | " | Dec 31 16:18 |
schestowitz | "For me the ideal model these days is free access to content with no ads for everyone + a patreon." | Dec 31 16:18 |
schestowitz | " | Dec 31 16:19 |
schestowitz | I would really like to be a supporter - unfortunately I am not willing to use PayPal at all - would you consider something like paysafecard ??? | Dec 31 16:19 |
schestowitz | If so I would be glad to get a message and become a supporter ... | Dec 31 16:19 |
schestowitz | " | Dec 31 16:19 |
MinceR | https://img.pr0gramm.com/2019/12/14/7b847b3537e3cee0.jpg | Dec 31 16:24 |
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MinceR | (audio:unimportant) https://i.imgur.com/YzLkSMn.mp4 | Dec 31 17:40 |
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schestowitz | MinceR: nice Lego duck | Dec 31 17:58 |
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MinceR | https://ircz.de/p/19083041 | Dec 31 19:38 |
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-ircz.de | IRCZ makes your life worth living Post object | Dec 31 19:38 | |
MinceR | https://ircz.de/p/19083020 | Dec 31 19:43 |
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-ircz.de | IRCZ makes your life worth living Post object | Dec 31 19:43 | |
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linuxgirl | Hi guys :-) | Dec 31 19:46 |
XRevan86 | linuxgirl: hi | Dec 31 19:51 |
linuxgirl | Just quickly popping in to say all the best, and brief update that krita kind of responded ie acknowledged that should pay attention to GDPR, but said it'll mean changing plugin code so could take a while ... this is about the forced cookie agreement that overlays being able to reply/post. Unexpectedly long forum talk, that was very confusing in | Dec 31 19:51 |
linuxgirl | some ways ... 'we have nothing to do with discourse or their privacy policy' yet the privacy page is discourse's privacy page copied nearly word for word, except for changing things to refer to krita. Anyway, made a clear point about privacy and GDPR, and maybe won't stay around the forum. I said that hopefully no telemetry ever in Krita itself ... | Dec 31 19:51 |
linuxgirl | they said it would be opt in, if at all. Thank goodness for appimages I say, as they'll be possible to run forever pretty much. Krita want the Blender experience/more corporate funding, clearly, and it's such a good program/lots of good work gone into it, but worrying that this new forum is a bit data-iffy etc. | Dec 31 19:51 |
linuxgirl | Hi XRevan86 | Dec 31 19:51 |
schestowitz | hi | Dec 31 19:51 |
linuxgirl | Hiya | Dec 31 19:51 |
linuxgirl | Surprising how little the GDPR is regarded ... rarely find anywhere with the option to decline given. | Dec 31 19:53 |
linuxgirl | re china/russia more into linux, I really hope there's the least china involvement, with the data-mining/human rights issues being so aggressive ... bad enough already that Huawei contributes any code | Dec 31 19:58 |
schestowitz | gtg | Dec 31 20:00 |
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Hail_Spacecake | I think it's good that huawei can commit code to linux, even though they may be puppets of a government that does things that some other contributors to linux don't like | Dec 31 20:13 |
Hail_Spacecake | it's also reasonable to want to mitigate the possibility that huawei will commit so much code, or such important code, that they will have de-facto control over the direction of linux as a project | Dec 31 20:14 |
MinceR | i doubt it can get worse now that microshit got control of Linux | Dec 31 20:20 |
Hail_Spacecake | MinceR: what specific things are you worried about microsoft doing by contributing code to the linux kernel? | Dec 31 20:30 |
Hail_Spacecake | and what policy changes wrt who can commit code to the kernel would you like to see to mitigate this? | Dec 31 20:31 |
MinceR | making it an unusable pile of crap like every other microsloth product | Dec 31 20:33 |
Hail_Spacecake | how so? | Dec 31 20:33 |
Hail_Spacecake | I admit I don't pay close attention to the linux kernel | Dec 31 20:33 |
MinceR | policy changes: removal of CoC, ending the blackmail they're doing against Linus, canceling the Linux-destroying Foundation and replacing it with one controlled by the community | Dec 31 20:33 |
Hail_Spacecake | I don't know what people on the payroll of various companies are including | Dec 31 20:34 |
Hail_Spacecake | okay yeah Codes of conduct are I think pushed by people working for large companies | Dec 31 20:34 |
MinceR | some microsuck drone even admitted that they did it | Dec 31 20:34 |
Hail_Spacecake | and part of the justification for them is people paid by a large firm to work on the kernel have an expectation of a non-hostile work environment according to US labor law | Dec 31 20:34 |
Hail_Spacecake | I don't think this is just microsfot though | Dec 31 20:35 |
Hail_Spacecake | this is a problem with allowing people paid by any firm large enough to have a HR department staffed by feminists | Dec 31 20:35 |
Hail_Spacecake | to contribute to the kernel | Dec 31 20:35 |
Hail_Spacecake | and there are plenty of people who support feminist CoCs who don't necessarily work for large companies | Dec 31 20:36 |
Hail_Spacecake | it's a political position, one I disagree with | Dec 31 20:36 |
MinceR | then maybe they should develop their own kernel | Dec 31 20:36 |
Hail_Spacecake | but I don't think it would be god for the kernel (or any other open-soruce project) to impose a specific political test on contributors | Dec 31 20:36 |
MinceR | oh, right, they tried that | Dec 31 20:36 |
MinceR | and it was an absolute clusterfuck | Dec 31 20:36 |
Hail_Spacecake | like "no feminists" | Dec 31 20:36 |
Hail_Spacecake | MinceR: what thing are you talking about? | Dec 31 20:37 |
MinceR | i'm talking about winblows nt | Dec 31 20:37 |
MinceR | the most bloated kernel in existence | Dec 31 20:37 |
MinceR | (and the rest of it is about as bloated as it gets too) | Dec 31 20:37 |
Hail_Spacecake | we're talking past each other I think | Dec 31 20:37 |
Hail_Spacecake | feminists working at microsfot over the past 30 years didn't create windows nt | Dec 31 20:38 |
MinceR | no, but people keep letting microsloth control things | Dec 31 20:39 |
MinceR | and it always leads to catastrophe | Dec 31 20:39 |
Hail_Spacecake | it's a mistake to focus on microsoft | Dec 31 20:40 |
Hail_Spacecake | corporate feminism is a problem in any large US corporation | Dec 31 20:40 |
Hail_Spacecake | google, github (before MS bought them) | Dec 31 20:40 |
Hail_Spacecake | coraline ehmke works for salesforce I think | Dec 31 20:40 |
Hail_Spacecake | none of these are microsoft | Dec 31 20:40 |
Hail_Spacecake | and microsoft has drastically lost power since the 90s due to shifts in the entire computing landscape that htey didn't anticipate | Dec 31 20:41 |
Hail_Spacecake | I am more concerned about google and facebook and twitter controlling my computing than about ms doing so | Dec 31 20:41 |
MinceR | so how come they get to be the gatekeepers of uefi restricted boot? | Dec 31 20:43 |
MinceR | and how come they get to be in charge of the Linux-Destroying Foundation, and via it, Linux? | Dec 31 20:43 |
Hail_Spacecake | how much does UEFI restricted boot harm you personally? | Dec 31 20:48 |
Hail_Spacecake | how much does locked down bootloaders on most android smartphones do so? | Dec 31 20:48 |
Hail_Spacecake | I've personally had way more trouble with the latter than the former | Dec 31 20:48 |
MinceR | if i was less careful about choosing laptops, it would harm me a great deal | Dec 31 20:52 |
MinceR | and i don't think that the appearance of locked-down mobile phones gives microshit the right to decide who gets to enter the desktop PC OS market and who doesn't | Dec 31 20:53 |
MinceR | besides, phones always sucked | Dec 31 20:53 |
MinceR | it looked for a while that we're finally getting phones that run a decent OS, but no | Dec 31 20:53 |
MinceR | in a way, they even got worse | Dec 31 20:55 |
MinceR | crApple made closed platforms "hip" and "cool" and android is heading that way | Dec 31 20:56 |
Hail_Spacecake | no apple made *their* platform hip and cool to people who don't care about software freedom | Dec 31 21:10 |
Hail_Spacecake | via marketing | Dec 31 21:10 |
Hail_Spacecake | and being good at some types of software artists care about | Dec 31 21:10 |
Hail_Spacecake | and being easy to use for people who don't care about computers, most of the time anyway | Dec 31 21:11 |
Hail_Spacecake | also a lot of people get value out of the fact that apple curates the app store, because it prevents them from accidetnally installing a lot of classes of obvious malware | Dec 31 21:11 |
Hail_Spacecake | and they don't care about being able to run software apple doesn't approve of for political reasons | Dec 31 21:12 |
Hail_Spacecake | most ofthe time anyway; this came up during the HK protests | Dec 31 21:12 |
Hail_Spacecake | I think it's a basic requirement of a free platform that you should be able to run software on it the government or apple or apple under government pressure doesn't want you to run | Dec 31 21:12 |
Hail_Spacecake | but a lot of people fundamentally don't think this way | Dec 31 21:13 |
MinceR | 31 221034 < Hail_Spacecake> no apple made *their* platform hip and cool to people who don't care about software freedom | Dec 31 21:13 |
Hail_Spacecake | this isnt' hip or cool and even the people who want this don't think in terms of hip and cool | Dec 31 21:13 |
Hail_Spacecake | they think in terms of safety | Dec 31 21:13 |
MinceR | yes, and others are copying them | Dec 31 21:13 |
MinceR | and it's turning computers into shit | Dec 31 21:13 |
MinceR | including phones | Dec 31 21:13 |
Hail_Spacecake | the iphone has never been a free platform | Dec 31 21:14 |
Hail_Spacecake | macs haven't been since, i dunno the 80s? | Dec 31 21:14 |
Hail_Spacecake | not that the free software ecosystem existed then anyway | Dec 31 21:14 |
Hail_Spacecake | apple still has a minority of both the pc and smartphone market | Dec 31 21:14 |
Hail_Spacecake | even after all these decades | Dec 31 21:14 |
MinceR | once the equivalent of a hypePhone is forced on everyone because most of the available money on the market is in the hands of morons who couldn't even use a computer, let alone need one, what do you think IT professionals will develop software on? | Dec 31 21:15 |
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DaemonFC[m] | I hacked up a PC to run OS X at one point to see what the fuss was all about. When I figured out that it was less useful than Linux I got rid of it. | Dec 31 21:57 |
DaemonFC[m] | It amazes me that anyone pays money for something that's less useful than a Linux or a Windows PC, but costs many times more at the same time. | Dec 31 21:58 |
DaemonFC[m] | I mean, I at least understand people who use a PC with Windows because it does run real software and didn't cost several thousands of dollars. | Dec 31 21:58 |
DaemonFC[m] | A Mac seems to be like pay thousands to run an obscure OS that can't do much on a really underpowered computer. | Dec 31 21:59 |
MinceR | yeah, one can run OSuX in a vm for a laugh | Dec 31 22:08 |
MinceR | it's a fashion accessory though | Dec 31 22:09 |
MinceR | all crApple products are | Dec 31 22:09 |
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MinceR | https://hugelolcdn.com/i/642591.jpg | Dec 31 22:11 |
Hail_Spacecake | yeah I think iOS devices are to some extent fashion accessories | Dec 31 22:29 |
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matlock | Hail_Spacecake Up until the G4 Apple provided specs for it's processor and chipset, so you could install BeOS, but that got locked down around the same time Jobs returned and the clones ended, BeOS tried to pivot to x86 | Dec 31 23:22 |
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MinceR | hny | Dec 31 23:34 |
danielp3344 | \o/ | Dec 31 23:35 |
matlock | Apple began locking down Mac beginning with the G3 actually, not the G4. Linux was still available for PowerPC because the community reverse-engineered the spec. JLG was worried about legal threats from Apple/Motorola/IBM for reverse engineering. | Dec 31 23:36 |
DaemonFC[m] | Actually.... | Dec 31 23:36 |
DaemonFC[m] | Be Inc. was trying to get bought by Apple to be the new Mac OS. | Dec 31 23:36 |
DaemonFC[m] | It ended when the CEO of Be said they had Apple by the balls. | Dec 31 23:37 |
matlock | Yup JLG scuttled the deal with that comment, Apple went with NeXT and Jobs, Jobs immediately cancelled clones and shut out Be. | Dec 31 23:49 |
matlock | BeOS was amazing though, booting up in seconds, running RealPlayer, playing Doom, and using Opera all at the same time on a Pentium 133 with 32MB of RAM. I like Haiku and wish it got some commercial development to speed it along. It would make a great IoT interface with it's Qt compatability. | Dec 31 23:52 |
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