Comments

• DS

  2008-08-10 17:28:30

  I think the linux community needs to create something tangible that consumers can use. Instead of complaining if the community can do better to promote applications developed by them or in this case work together on making moonlight happen, it seems better use of energy.

• Roy Schestowitz

  2008-08-10 17:32:06

  Moonlight is a patent trap, RIA is not needed for video and shall an RIA be needed, JavaFX is GPL-ed.

• Victor Soliz

  2008-08-10 21:06:58

  We already got something better, thanks.
  
  Oh, and moonlight does not even work for the olympics, you'd see a lot of publicity about how MS' little trick to make the olympics require silverlight is fine because of moonlight, but moonlight can't play the olympics, though it will be a fine way to catch corrupt reporters, I guess.

• larry

  2008-08-10 21:45:53

  Do you freetard really have to bitch this loud? Heck, write your own LinuxLight, LinuxLash, LinuxFx or Linux-friggin-whatever so that you can provide a compelling alternative to SilverLight and might actually get used. M$ is not preventing you from doing that FFS. If you cannot, then drop the bitching please. This world could use less crying babies.

• Ziggyfish

  2008-08-11 01:50:20

  larry, look up software patients, then look at what patients are claimed in SilverLight and that will answer your question.

• macamba

  2008-08-11 12:56:04

  Bloody Whiners.

• Victor Soliz

  2008-08-11 13:29:03

  larry, macamba, it seems you are the ones bitching. We already have a lot free alternatives to this nonsense, here's a little secret: The web is better without these things, as in much better, accessibility comes to mind, portability comes to mind. Etc, etc, etc.

• Roy Schestowitz

  2008-08-11 13:34:27

  Yeah, just like we were 'whining' about the BBC denying taxpayers who use GNU/Linux from watching shows they've already paid for.
  
  BBC is the just like NBC. Just prepend the "MS" to it (MSNBC).
  
  Is it the BBC that pissed off Linux users in the UK, only to later propose some second-class alternative (as if GNU/Linux is for second-class citizens)?
  
  The same BBC whose technical chief left and is now facing anti-trust claims?
  
  http://www.theregister.co.uk/2008/08/08/kangaroo_extension/
  
  The BBC that cannot even keep its data safe?
  
  http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/uk/article4481621.ece
  
  The same BBC whose technical (media) department, the one that tell you about GNU/Linux, is headed by a Microsoft executive?
  
  http://www.guardian.co.uk/media/2008/jul/15/bbc.digitalmedia?gusrc=rss&feed=media
  
  The same BBC that passed lots of money to Microsoft for nothing?
  
  http://www.defectivebydesign.org/blog/iPlayerProtestReport
  
  The same BBC that lied about DRM, got grilled by the parliament and could not justify the huge expenses and snubbing taxpayers who upgraded to GNU/Linux, Microsoft's #1 rival (according to Microsoft's CEO))?
  
  http://www.openrightsgroup.org/2008/01/10/bbc-director-general-grilled-by-mps-on-iplayer/
  
  The same BBC that overspent €£36m?
  
  http://www.manchestereveningnews.co.uk/news/technology/s/1051855_bbc_website_36m_overspend?rss=yes?rss=yes
  
  The same BBC that became Microsoft's advertising department (at taxpayers' expense)?
  
  http://opendotdotdot.blogspot.com/2008/05/bbc-has-drunk-its-brain.html
  
  The same BBC that lets Bill Gates publish his own promotional dross as though he's a journalist, at taxpayers' expense?
  
  http://www.theregister.co.uk/2007/12/14/bill_gates_bbc_secrets/
  
  The same BBC that rewrites history about Microsoft, glorifies an already-convicted Gates, and markets spyware (Vista) at taxpayers' expense?
  
  http://www.theinquirer.net/default.aspx?article=37411
  
  The same BBC that lies to GNU/Linux users to get them off its back?
  
  http://opendotdotdot.blogspot.com/2008/04/has-bbc-duped-us-over-iplayer.html
  
  The same BBC that behaves no better than the Chinese government and does not cover major protests?
  
  http://www.defectivebydesign.org/iPlayerProtest
  
  The same BBC that actually invited Microsoft over for visits?
  
  http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/technology/2008/07/remoulding_microsoft_for_the_w.html
  
  Someone ought to look into NBC and the whole situation around Silverlight. The European Commission already does that.

• spartan2276

  2008-08-12 11:52:15

  Wow, this is fucking hopeless, it does not matter what we do in the end we get shafted left and right. Mark my words they will hi-jack the web, they've already started working on destroying apache/php from the inside out.

• Roy Schestowitz

  2008-08-12 12:04:08

  They are too frail (especially on the Web) to achieve this goal. That's why they need Yahoo and some other things.
  
  You're being pessimistic. Awareness is probably key.

• spartan2276

  2008-08-12 12:39:28

  Dude I hope you are right because, I will hate to have to go back to using windows on my PC. I rather not use at all. Also they are trying to use XAML for the web which uses the WPF/E framework and this is how they want to take down HTML. So even though they don't have Yahoo they do have a backup plan and if entities such as NBC keep doing their bidding then how do we stand a chance?

• alex

  2008-08-12 13:00:06

  It's not whining to highlight abuse and unfairness. But the person (DS) is right that applications are the only way to win. Trouble is every proprietary player sees the Microsoft strategy of locking people into their control as the best commercial strategy to making lots of money which is at odds with the simpler aims of Free Software authors (as opposed to the Linux community who are specifically OS kernel producers) which are to produce good software that has a use.

• Roy Schestowitz

  2008-08-12 13:26:28

  spartan2276,
  
  There is more than one investigation into this in Europe. The States also expressed concerns (specially about XAML) and brought scrutiny when the oversight of Microsoft expired. Now, hopefully Apache will be smart and Microsoft less potent over time. That whole "Midori" and "7" vapourware seems like too little, too late. Don't let this demoralise you and by all means say "no" to Silverlight.

• cortada-flash-js

  2008-09-13 03:32:51

  ok larry the paytard, what you must understand is that there are better alternatives already.

• Iceman

  2008-12-23 16:17:32

  There are paid bloggers out there to discredit all sorts of things. Do you think that Microsoft can afford to pay people such as "Larry" and "Macamba" to write a few nasty words to discredit this article? Pay the naysayers no heed, for it is quite possible that they are being paid to take the wind out of our sails. Just more phony PR designed to keep the masses stupid. Keep up the great work and thanks for sharing all this information.