| schestowitz | The Internet existed long before Linux. | Oct 27 19:00 |
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| twitter | Does he not wish that M$ could be half as cooperative and have something as convenient? Where would Adobe, Skype and non free hardware friends be without Google to point the latest downloads of their binaries? | Oct 27 19:00 |
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| twitter | I was floored to learn M$ had not made a decent package manager for it's so called partners. | Oct 27 19:00 |
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| twitter | The internet would not exist without free software. | Oct 27 19:01 |
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| twitter | Much of it would collapse without GNU/Linux. | Oct 27 19:01 |
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| twitter | What would you do without google? | Oct 27 19:01 |
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| MinceR | the author is forgetting that neither micro$oft nor crApple ever released any server-grade OS-es :> | Oct 27 19:02 |
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| schestowitz | twitter: but it existed before with UNIX and other O/Ses | Oct 27 19:02 |
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| twitter | If something were to ever make GNU/Linux non free, the community around it would evaporate. That would make it the internet prohibitively expensive. It would shrink back 10 years. | Oct 27 19:03 |
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| schestowitz | Well, that's Novel.. | Oct 27 19:04 |
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| twitter | Big publishers would like that. | Oct 27 19:05 |
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| twitter | It would make things a lot easier for them to control. | Oct 27 19:05 |
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| twitter | Asking if the internet would exist without GNU/Linux is about as dumb as asking if the world would exist without electricity. | Oct 27 19:07 |
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| schestowitz | Off topic Linus.. http://torvalds-family.blo... | Oct 27 19:09 |
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| schestowitz | I had a typo up there (Novell, not nove.... although the two things could fit there) | Oct 27 19:10 |
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| schestowitz | Open Source Government: Naples goes Open Source : http://robertogaloppini.net/2008/10/26/ope... | Oct 27 19:13 |
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| schestowitz | Almighty link from TuxMachines (come on!): http://www.shell-fu.org/lister.php?id=387 | Oct 27 19:14 |
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| twitter | All day in the less than $4.00 crapper. http://finance.google.com/finance?q=NASDAQ:NOVL | Oct 27 19:15 |
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| schestowitz | Pavs put a nice cartoon here. I like the one at the top: http://www.linuxhaxor.net/200... | Oct 27 19:15 |
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| PetoKraus | hmm phoronix has a nice benchmark | Oct 27 19:19 |
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| PetoKraus | http://feedproxy.google.com/~r/Phoro... | Oct 27 19:20 |
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| schestowitz | http://frequencyofsilence.blogspo..."This is my first venture into an open-code OS, and, as a faithful Microsoft user (all the way from DOS 1.0 to XP) I feel like a man on a first date 20 years after his first wife died. Depressing." | Oct 27 19:21 |
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| PetoKraus | "Ubuntu 7.04 was certainly the Feisty Fawn for performance, but based upon these results perhaps it would be better to call Ubuntu 7.10 the Gooey Gibbon, 8.04 the Hungover Heron, and 8.10 the Idling Ibex." | Oct 27 19:21 |
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| PetoKraus | i don't know what are they doing, but they are doing it WRONG | Oct 27 19:22 |
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| schestowitz | Oh no. I can already see the IDG logo at the bottom | Oct 27 19:22 |
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| schestowitz | Later tonight I'll post something about IDG/IDC's attack on VMware.. they pull another one for Microsoft I reckon.. | Oct 27 19:22 |
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| twitter | Oh well. FUD is all they have. Pay no attention to the man behind the curtain! | Oct 27 19:22 |
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| PetoKraus | twitter: shut up, honestly | Oct 27 19:23 |
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| schestowitz | twitter: Michael is honest | Oct 27 19:23 |
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| schestowitz | It's the Wintel adverts that I dread. | Oct 27 19:23 |
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| PetoKraus | schestowitz: michael doesn't mind | Oct 27 19:23 |
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| PetoKraus | he's not hard-core FSF supporter | Oct 27 19:23 |
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| schestowitz | They drape all the Linux//UNIX sites in WIntel slop. | Oct 27 19:23 |
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| trmanco | I think Google contribuites to the Linux Kernel | Oct 27 19:23 |
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| schestowitz | PetoKraus: I know he's not. | Oct 27 19:23 |
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| PetoKraus | if he was, he wouldn't do reviews of ATI prop. drivers | Oct 27 19:24 |
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| trmanco | Google employees | Oct 27 19:24 |
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| schestowitz | Michael is an LF-type person whom I consider a friend. | Oct 27 19:24 |
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| twitter | whatever. someone who can't tune a box should not write a review. | Oct 27 19:24 |
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| schestowitz | But being close to the kernel, they must accept blobs. | Oct 27 19:24 |
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| PetoKraus | twitter: the point is, ubuntu is not meant to be tuned | Oct 27 19:25 |
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| schestowitz | Especially with GPUs and high-end h/w | Oct 27 19:25 |
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| twitter | If they do write a review, the least they can do is get a pre-install | Oct 27 19:25 |
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| PetoKraus | man, you don't have a clue what are you talking about | Oct 27 19:25 |
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| schestowitz | twitter: not true. | Oct 27 19:25 |
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| schestowitz | He know what he's doing. | Oct 27 19:25 |
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| trmanco | http://marc.info/?l=linux-kerne... | Oct 27 19:25 |
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| schestowitz | *knows | Oct 27 19:25 |
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| PetoKraus | the purpose of the benchmark is to compare out-of-the box performance of last for ubuntus | Oct 27 19:25 |
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| trmanco | *google.com domain | Oct 27 19:25 |
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| schestowitz | rc2 of Linux 2009.0 is out. | Oct 27 19:25 |
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| trmanco | lol | Oct 27 19:26 |
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| schestowitz | Too fast. | Oct 27 19:26 |
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| schestowitz | I think rc1 was less than a week ago. | Oct 27 19:26 |
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| trmanco | schestowitz, already using the *maybe* future naming of Linux versions :P | Oct 27 19:26 |
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| schestowitz | And Linus slackens a little... blogging about chlorine and s* | Oct 27 19:26 |
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| schestowitz | :-) | Oct 27 19:26 |
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| schestowitz | trmanco: yes, I want to help it happen. | Oct 27 19:27 |
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| schestowitz | I've done it since"Numbering Redux" back in June or so. | Oct 27 19:27 |
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| trmanco | ok | Oct 27 19:27 |
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| twitter | You are telling me that someone who writes "This is my first venture into an open-code OS, and, as a faithful Microsoft user (all the way from DOS 1.0 to XP) I feel like a man on a first date 20 years after his first wife died. Depressing." knows what he's doing? | Oct 27 19:27 |
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| twitter | wtf? I could do better than that. | Oct 27 19:28 |
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| schestowitz | True and a little bothersome: Ubuntu Intrepid Ibex - You can Tell Release is Approaching < http://grumpymole.blogspot.com/2008/10/ubunt... >: it's Ubuntu all over the place and the release is still days aaway. | Oct 27 19:28 |
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| schestowitz | twitter: no, not that. | Oct 27 19:28 |
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| schestowitz | I was referring to Phoronix. | Oct 27 19:28 |
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| schestowitz | This person < http://frequencyofsilence.blogspot.com/2008/10/ub... > seems willing to move. Just new though. It takes a learning curve and to install GNU/Linux on a WIndows-loaded machine /might/ take a little work. | Oct 27 19:29 |
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| trmanco | http://tek.sapo.pt/opiniao/opiniao_o_... | Oct 27 19:33 |
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| trmanco | some news related to open office | Oct 27 19:34 |
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| schestowitz | RicerNux: Review: Gentoo 2008.0 and beyond Part 1 < http://server.ericsbinaryworld.com/blog/20... > | Oct 27 19:38 |
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| twitter | I'll have to check out the "Gooey Gibbon, 8.04 the Hungover Heron, and 8.10 the Idling Ibex" for myself one day. There have been no complaints from the local SIG lab. | Oct 27 19:39 |
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| twitter | I see the jump in media conversion speeds. I wonder what's up there. | Oct 27 19:43 |
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| twitter | Especially when GNUPG is faster. | Oct 27 19:45 |
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| schestowitz | Loooo-ok: "RoTM Emergency services were on Sunday obliged to cut free a TGV passenger whose arm was swallowed by the high-speed train's sucking dunny, the BBC reports." http://www.theregister.co.uk/2008/1... | Oct 27 19:45 |
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| schestowitz | This begs the question: why did he stick in hand inside the toilet? | Oct 27 19:46 |
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| twitter | lost his keys? | Oct 27 19:46 |
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| twitter | ask Hunter Thompson. | Oct 27 19:46 |
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| schestowitz | It sucks. | Oct 27 19:49 |
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| schestowitz | OpenSUSE: small world... "A total of 75.11% (178 of 237) voters participated in the poll." The turn-up was fantastic... not. | Oct 27 19:51 |
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| schestowitz | That's openSUSE Board Election | Oct 27 19:52 |
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| twitter | Phoronix points the finger at the completely fair scheduler. Hmmm, don't know. | Oct 27 19:52 |
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| schestowitz | Dow in the RED now. 2% | Oct 27 19:53 |
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| twitter | How does openSUSE decide who votes? Code contribution? | Oct 27 19:53 |
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| schestowitz | NOVL at $3.90 (down sharply) | Oct 27 19:53 |
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| twitter | yepers. | Oct 27 19:53 |
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| schestowitz | twitter: they delayed the vote. | Oct 27 19:53 |
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| schestowitz | I guess it's because of poor participation. | Oct 27 19:54 |
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| schestowitz | They have 4 Novell employees among a board of 10 | Oct 27 19:54 |
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| schestowitz | ==Non-Novell== | Oct 27 19:54 |
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| schestowitz | Bleser, Pascal 148 45.96 % | Oct 27 19:54 |
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| schestowitz | Yunashko, Bryen 69 21.43 % | Oct 27 19:54 |
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| schestowitz | Linnell, Petee 42 13.04 % | Oct 27 19:54 |
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| schestowitz | Rodriguez, Alex 30 9.32 % | Oct 27 19:54 |
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| schestowitz | Pasanen, Tuukka 18 5.59 % | Oct 27 19:54 |
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| schestowitz | Rusinek, Jakub 15 4.66 % | Oct 27 19:54 |
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| schestowitz | Total: 322 | Oct 27 19:54 |
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| schestowitz | ==Novell== | Oct 27 19:54 |
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| schestowitz | Vogelsang, Henne 126 38.18 % | Oct 27 19:54 |
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| schestowitz | Mena-Quintero, Federico 86 26.06 % | Oct 27 19:54 |
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| schestowitz | Shaw, Stephen 71 21.52 % | Oct 27 19:54 |
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| schestowitz | Michna, Marco 47 14.24 % | Oct 27 19:54 |
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| schestowitz | Total: 330 | Oct 27 19:54 |
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| twitter | M$ is taking a last minut dive. -3.7% | Oct 27 19:54 |
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| schestowitz | NOVL market cap: 1.35B | Oct 27 19:55 |
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| twitter | who voted for them? | Oct 27 19:55 |
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| schestowitz | NOV: $3.82 | Oct 27 19:55 |
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| schestowitz | twitter: probably devs and volunteers but Novell staff too. | Oct 27 19:56 |
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| schestowitz | Some of them are like "unpaid staff" | Oct 27 19:56 |
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| schestowitz | I think they are better off helping companies that vend GNU/Linux not like Novell/Microsoft. | Oct 27 19:56 |
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| twitter | I think they would be better off working for a community like Debian. | Oct 27 19:57 |
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| schestowitz | NOVL market cap: 1.33B | Oct 27 19:57 |
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| schestowitz | twitter: yes, Debian could use some help. They'll even get cookies for swatting bugs. | Oct 27 19:57 |
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| twitter | Better than a novell license :) | Oct 27 19:58 |
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| twitter | I like cookies | Oct 27 19:58 |
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| trmanco | http://wiki.iffii.com/index.cg... | Oct 27 19:59 |
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| schestowitz | Jupitermedia President Chris Cardell Resigns : http://www.webpronews.com/topnews/2008/10/27/jupi... | Oct 27 19:59 |
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| schestowitz | The Dow is approaching the 7000s | Oct 27 20:01 |
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| trmanco | http://www.ioremap.net/node/37 | Oct 27 20:03 |
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| twitter | Oh my. Welcome back to 1997, your money is no good here. | Oct 27 20:05 |
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| twitter | Skript kiddies! http://it.slashdot.org/article... | Oct 27 20:06 |
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| twitter | No skillz requires | Oct 27 20:06 |
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| schestowitz | Arrgh! :-) I'm having a Ubuntu overload, I think.. Ubuntu fatigue. | Oct 27 20:06 |
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| twitter | A release every six months will do that. | Oct 27 20:06 |
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| schestowitz | "Reporting children as young as 11 swapping credit card details and asking for hacks, many are largely unskilled and thus more likely to get caught and arrested." | Oct 27 20:06 |
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| schestowitz | 11? I heard of 13 before. | Oct 27 20:07 |
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| schestowitz | First they do some time in jail, crack the Pentagon. Later, when they grow up a bit, they study a second language and grow pubes. Apparently Windows hacking is easier than all that... :-( | Oct 27 20:07 |
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| twitter | Some people take money from their mom's purse. Others realize it's easier to have things shipped to your door. | Oct 27 20:09 |
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| schestowitz | _Doug: check out! Now. http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi... | Oct 27 20:10 |
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| _Doug | hokey .. | Oct 27 20:11 |
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| twitter | " Many teenagers got into low level crime by looking for exploits and cracks for their favourite computer games." Perhaps modifying your games should not be considered a crime. | Oct 27 20:12 |
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| twitter | If you call someone a thief long enough, they will steal for spite. | Oct 27 20:13 |
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| schestowitz | Or terrorists. | Oct 27 20:13 |
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| _Doug | the 'Criminal Record Bureau' is being used to exclude undesirables/activists from top jobs | Oct 27 20:13 |
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| schestowitz | You can see how segregation or daemonisation against Arabs does not help. | Oct 27 20:14 |
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| _Doug | of course when they don't roll over and cop a plee, kiddie-porn is found on their computer .. | Oct 27 20:14 |
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| schestowitz | CRB? | Oct 27 20:14 |
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| twitter | " We have seen phishing sites that have broken images because the link, rather than reference the original webpage, is referencing a file on the C: drive that is not there" What was I saying about Windows kiddies and botnets a while back? | Oct 27 20:14 |
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| _Doug | Criminal Record Bureau .. | Oct 27 20:14 |
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| schestowitz | You know it?? | Oct 27 20:15 |
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| _Doug | I wonder they don't prosecute the software compamies for making such easly hacked system ? | Oct 27 20:15 |
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| twitter | _Doug I can believe that. Do you have link? | Oct 27 20:15 |
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| schestowitz | That may change. | Oct 27 20:15 |
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| _Doug | I don't know it .. | Oct 27 20:15 |
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| schestowitz | Let me find the ref | Oct 27 20:15 |
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| schestowitz | From Richard rasker | Oct 27 20:15 |
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| _Doug | it's funny this story pops up on the eve of patch-tuesday .. | Oct 27 20:16 |
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| schestowitz | http://searchsecurity.techtarget.com/news/a... | Oct 27 20:17 |
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| twitter | It's nice to see it rise up into the popular media, but I think it's more an upgrade cycle thing. XP must die so that Vista won't. | Oct 27 20:17 |
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| twitter | More on the kiddies " Many post videos of what they have done to sites such as YouTube and sign on with the same alias used to hack a site, run a phishing attack or write a web exploit." I know that twitter is a terrorist and all, the Army told me. | Oct 27 20:18 |
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| schestowitz | OK, I can't find it. In a nutshell, El Reg posted an article about liability rules changing. | Oct 27 20:18 |
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| _Doug | remember the chief constable said that the real enemy was the urban middle-classes :O | Oct 27 20:18 |
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| schestowitz | In practice, it might be more progamatic if they just procured more secure software. Microsoft's Jeff Jones and other dancing bears try to confuse them with lies though. | Oct 27 20:19 |
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| _Doug | UK Court rules on ISP liability | Oct 27 20:20 |
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| schestowitz | Does the middle class still exist, _Doug. it's a dying breed. | Oct 27 20:20 |
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| _Doug | http://www.theregister.co.uk... | Oct 27 20:20 |
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| twitter | Dow wow wow. It's dead, Roy. | Oct 27 20:21 |
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| _Doug | they are middle-class except they are all now poor and totally disillusioned and disaffected with the media circus .. | Oct 27 20:22 |
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| _Doug | eg: Al-Quieda using the heroin trade to finance terrorism .. | Oct 27 20:24 |
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| _Doug | eg1: venezuela pushing cocaine into the US through europe .. | Oct 27 20:25 |
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| _Doug | What has the Beebe been reduced to ? | Oct 27 20:25 |
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| schestowitz | NOVL is suffering today. | Oct 27 20:25 |
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| schestowitz | BBC? Where specifically? | Oct 27 20:26 |
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| schestowitz | I resent the media division of the BBC. | Oct 27 20:26 |
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| schestowitz | I also keep getting these letters that simply assume everyone has a TV set in their house. I gave mine away years ago. | Oct 27 20:27 |
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| _Doug | the media-circus division .. | Oct 27 20:27 |
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| schestowitz | Spin and manufactured consent division. | Oct 27 20:27 |
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| _Doug | and the news readers replaced with hot babes :) | Oct 27 20:27 |
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| schestowitz | "Use Vista... here are the instructions... it's good for you... it has DRM 'enablement' and it ruins iPlayer... use it, try it, love it" | Oct 27 20:28 |
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| schestowitz | That's what they actually do on the budget... writing howtos for products... well, ONE product... of a partner. | Oct 27 20:28 |
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| _Doug | they spread the BS on radio 5 at four am, when no-one would notice ... | Oct 27 20:28 |
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| schestowitz | How much was Natasha paid again? | Oct 27 20:28 |
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| schestowitz | I saw something on TV the other month... | Oct 27 20:29 |
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| schestowitz | http://finance.yahoo.com... | Oct 27 20:30 |
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| _Doug | we need to start a war somewhere .. that way the US gov and donate masses of revenue to the arms manufacturers .. | Oct 27 20:33 |
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| _Doug | getting the people back to work .. | Oct 27 20:33 |
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| _Doug | :) | Oct 27 20:33 |
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| schestowitz | That's what I read.. with great concern. | Oct 27 20:34 |
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| _Doug | Government computers used to find information on Joe the Plumber .. | Oct 27 20:34 |
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| _Doug | http://www.dispatch.com/live/content/local_... | Oct 27 20:34 |
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| _Doug | your data is safe with us :) | Oct 27 20:34 |
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| schestowitz | The scary part is the need for a catalyst for military action... which means, well... had something happened here, then with all the unemployed people, military action and armament is not far fetched. | Oct 27 20:35 |
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| _Doug | Police fingerprints on street .. | Oct 27 20:37 |
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| _Doug | http://www.guardian.co.uk/politics/2008/oct/2... | Oct 27 20:37 |
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| schestowitz | Quite a few people this month seem to be searching for "novell layoffs" | Oct 27 20:39 |
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| schestowitz | More fingerprints=more security... like more patent = more innovation. | Oct 27 20:39 |
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| _Doug | catalyst: it was WW1 that financed the Wall Street bubble/crash of 1929 | Oct 27 20:39 |
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| schestowitz | That's what they say.. | Oct 27 20:40 |
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| schestowitz | "after the war, the US emerged as the most powerful nation.." (from memory) http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=_sstDwKTCpM | Oct 27 20:41 |
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| _Doug | fingerprint: may reduce crime, but only at the cost of turning the place into a prison ... | Oct 27 20:43 |
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| _Doug | fingerprints: The voters are totally disillusioned and fragmented, else there would be an outcry | Oct 27 20:44 |
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| _Doug | Police will use new device to take fingerprints in street | Oct 27 20:44 |
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| _Doug | repeat :) | Oct 27 20:44 |
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| schestowitz | It's not *that* bad. | Oct 27 20:45 |
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| schestowitz | Verizon Reports 31 Percent Increase in Net Income : http://www.pcworld.com/article/152853... | Oct 27 20:45 |
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| schestowitz | http://www.pcworld.com/article/152851/.html?tk=rss_news "European models will be offered with up to 160G-byte hard-disk drives on Windows XP models. Versions based on Ubuntu Linux are also planned, although they'll have half the memory of the Windows versions and a maximum hard disk size of 120G-bytes. They also won't support Bluetooth." | Oct 27 20:46 |
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| schestowitz | When will the slide end? This is becoming rather scary. Sony, IT Stocks Hit Again as Tokyo Market Slides < http://www.pcworld.com/article/152849/.html?tk=rss_news >. | Oct 27 20:47 |
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| _Doug | later .. | Oct 27 20:48 |
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| *_Doug has quit ("ChatZilla 0.9.83 [Firefox 3.0.3/2008092417]") | Oct 27 20:48 |
| schestowitz | Japan's young turn to Communist Party as they decide capitalism has let them down : | Oct 27 20:48 |
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| schestowitz | http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/w... | Oct 27 20:48 |
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| trmanco | schestowitz, you sent some feedback to Novell for OGG videos? | Oct 27 21:00 |
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| schestowitz | No, but they noticed. | Oct 27 21:00 |
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| trmanco | ? | Oct 27 21:00 |
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| schestowitz | There are Novell employees reading the site. | Oct 27 21:00 |
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| trmanco | That is good | Oct 27 21:01 |
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| trmanco | Well maybe | Oct 27 21:01 |
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| schestowitz | Good that they fixed it or good that more people understand that Novell and freedom are a coincidental intersection? | Oct 27 21:02 |
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| schestowitz | *LOL* http://beranger.org/index.php?page=diar... | Oct 27 21:03 |
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| schestowitz | New lizard in SUSE | Oct 27 21:03 |
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| schestowitz | The boss. | Oct 27 21:03 |
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| trmanco | they didn't fix it yet | Oct 27 21:03 |
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| trmanco | when I said "good" I was referring to Novell's employees reading BN | Oct 27 21:04 |
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| schestowitz | trmanco: they won't. Maybe next year when Novell is a much smaller company | Oct 27 21:04 |
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| trmanco | *smaller* :-P | Oct 27 21:04 |
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| schestowitz | Their value sank. I reckon they might announce layoffs before Xmas. They still get fed by Microsoft to be left alive. | Oct 27 21:04 |
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| schestowitz | Microsoft won't let Novell die.... just as it fed SCO... for obvious reasons. | Oct 27 21:05 |
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| schestowitz | Microsoft has already invested almost half a billion in the Great Novell Scam... they also cut budgets by that amount. For an attack on the #1 rival (Linux), that's slush funds. | Oct 27 21:06 |
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| *PeterKraus is now known as PetoKraus | Oct 27 21:06 |
| trmanco | I wonder how much money M$ still has left? | Oct 27 21:07 |
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| schestowitz | About $22bn | Oct 27 21:08 |
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| schestowitz | With over $30 left to fund buybacks, so that number will decline over time, with or without a Depression. | Oct 27 21:08 |
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| schestowitz | I suppose that a lot of the material I accumulate in BN (also on Saturdays, which is a lot of work) will come handy when Novell goes a little more hostile and we then need to look back and understand what happened. PJ still studies SCO in the 90s, which is hard (historian's work). | Oct 27 21:08 |
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| trmanco | They should sell out to Google someday | Oct 27 21:10 |
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| trmanco | M$ | Oct 27 21:10 |
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| schestowitz | *LOL* Says Novell: "With stock markets “yo-yoing” and credit tightening, companies are looking for ways to cut costs yet stay competitive." Novell must know the feeling... http://www.novell.com/prblogs/?p=511 | Oct 27 21:11 |
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| MinceR | "competitive" isn't novell's game though | Oct 27 21:11 |
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| trmanco | w00t | Oct 27 21:11 |
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| trmanco | "Novell is pleased to announce the availability of its OpenOffice.org Novell Edition for Windows." | Oct 27 21:11 |
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| trmanco | I like AlbertoP's comment | Oct 27 21:12 |
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| schestowitz | Well done, Alberto P. | Oct 27 21:13 |
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| schestowitz | "Next time maybe say “Windows and Linux”. Linux should be your preferential platform, at least according to what you write on your site. For your information OpenOffice 3.0 packages are not available yet for SUSE in the Build Service. Next time maybe prioritize your platform and then think to Windows." | Oct 27 21:13 |
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| schestowitz | So what you have here is a SUSE community member complaining to Novell about preferring Windows or giving it special treatment. | Oct 27 21:13 |
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| schestowitz | There was a complaint about this almost 2 years ago.. Reverend Ted (Ted Haeger) announced OOo for Windows... with special addons Novell is only allowed to give the Windows version. | Oct 27 21:14 |
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| schestowitz | 80% of OOo downloads are Windows. | Oct 27 21:17 |
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| schestowitz | Linux is about 7% | Oct 27 21:17 |
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| schestowitz | But GNU/Linux user obtain the s/w from their repos/clean distro install sometimes. | Oct 27 21:18 |
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| PetoKraus | well, who downloads from official page anyway | Oct 27 21:18 |
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| PetoKraus | gentoo mirrors the packages, even if they are using official releases/sources unaltered | Oct 27 21:18 |
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| PetoKraus | not talking about debian and stuff. everyone mirrors it. | Oct 27 21:18 |
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| trmanco | http://www.linux-gamers.net/modu... | Oct 27 21:19 |
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| schestowitz | PetoKraus: who downloads software in general? | Oct 27 21:20 |
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| schestowitz | Mostly Mac OS and Windows users. GNU/Linux has repos | Oct 27 21:21 |
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| schestowitz | They need to adapt their metrics. it's like counting and measuring installed base based on sales alone (how many people have their machine preloaded with GNU/Linux anyway?) | Oct 27 21:21 |
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| schestowitz | Nice viewer: http://news.cnet.com/8301-13846_3-10075449-62.html | Oct 27 21:24 |
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| schestowitz | Odd duck: http://www.eweek.com/c/a/Mobile-and-Wi... | Oct 27 21:33 |
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| _Doug | Terrorist Recognition Handbook .. | Oct 27 21:43 |
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| _Doug | http://www.amazon.com/dp/14200... | Oct 27 21:43 |
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| schestowitz | Google breaks the law in India? http://www.medianama.com/2008/10/2... | Oct 27 21:43 |
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| schestowitz | http://www.reuters.com/article/technolog... Verizon, Klausner settle voice mail patent suit | Oct 27 21:43 |
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| schestowitz | http://www.iam-magazine.com/blog/Det... "Last week Marshall Phelps observed that Europe thinks it does not grant software patents, but that actually it does. When the enlarged board answers the president’s questions, maybe we can all have the same certainty as Microsoft’s VP of IP Strategy and Policy." | Oct 27 21:44 |
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| schestowitz | "Terrorist Recognition Handbook: A Practitioner's Manual for Predicting and Identifying Terrorist Activities, Second Edition (Paperback)" ... "by Malcolm Nance " | Oct 27 21:45 |
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| schestowitz | http://www.google.com/search?sourceid=m... "Malcolm W. Nance is a counter-terrorism and terrorism intelligence consultant for the U.S. government’s Special Operations, Homeland Security and ..." | Oct 27 21:45 |
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| schestowitz | http://smallwarsjournal.com/bl... | Oct 27 21:46 |
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| schestowitz | Nice photo.. holding a rifle... the Big Terrorists (imperialistic invasions) versus the small ones. | Oct 27 21:47 |
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| _Doug | who's gonna protect us from him ? | Oct 27 21:47 |
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| schestowitz | Mr. Ralph Nader. | Oct 27 21:50 |
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| _Doug | is he a third presedential candidate .. and would anyone know ? | Oct 27 21:52 |
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| schestowitz | No, I'm being cynical. | Oct 27 21:52 |
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| _Doug | "Patents on software are formally disallowed under the European patent system but are routinely granted by the European patent office, according to critics" | Oct 27 21:52 |
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| _Doug | http://news.cnet.com/2100-1012-6118063.html | Oct 27 21:52 |
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| _Doug | "We have had enough of hidden agenda politics, it's time for the commissioner to deliver some facts," | Oct 27 21:53 |
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| _Doug | "The current rules in the European Patent Convention are out of date and leave a very wide decision-making power in the hands of examiners." Charlie McGreevy .. | Oct 27 21:54 |
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| schestowitz | Brimelow delivered some answers, not facts. | Oct 27 21:54 |
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| _Doug | http://www.metrocorpcounsel.com/current.php?art... | Oct 27 21:54 |
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| schestowitz | oops, I i meant "question" | Oct 27 21:54 |
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| schestowitz | Is it new? Where did you find it? | Oct 27 21:55 |
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| schestowitz | They entertained some serious GPLv3 FUD some months ago. I don't trust this site. | Oct 27 21:55 |
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| _Doug | http://www.nosoftwarepatents.com/en/m/intro/index.html | Oct 27 21:57 |
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| schestowitz | "An open source approach to open voting systems is essential to the integrity of our electoral process. Here's a technical blueprint for securing the vote" http://www.infoworld.com/article/08/10/27/44... | Oct 27 21:57 |
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| PetoKraus | so, michael labarel is performing the same benchmarks | Oct 27 21:58 |
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| PetoKraus | as on ubuntu | Oct 27 21:58 |
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| PetoKraus | on fedora... we'll see if it's just ubuntu sloppiness, or something upstream related | Oct 27 21:59 |
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| schestowitz | yes, he's the good guy. | Oct 27 21:59 |
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| schestowitz | No need to question his motives. | Oct 27 21:59 |
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| schestowitz | Mono buntu | Oct 27 21:59 |
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| schestowitz | Very good: http://www.scriptumlibre.org/Boycott_Trend_Micro | Oct 27 21:59 |
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| schestowitz | Patent strategy=DISRUPTIVE (very!) INNOVA~1 | Oct 27 22:01 |
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| _Doug | CODEWEAVERS' SOFTWARE FREE FOR DOWNLOAD .. | Oct 27 22:01 |
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| _Doug | http://www.codeweavers.com/about/ge... | Oct 27 22:01 |
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| schestowitz | Yes | Oct 27 22:01 |
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| schestowitz | They have been planning this for a while. | Oct 27 22:01 |
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| schestowitz | Big step for migrations to GNU/Linux. | Oct 27 22:02 |
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| _Doug | how to get terrorism and hacker in the same sentence .. | Oct 27 22:02 |
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| _Doug | http://news.bbc.co.uk/newsbeat/hi/t... | Oct 27 22:02 |
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| _Doug | is terrorism the new communism ? | Oct 27 22:03 |
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| schestowitz | Opposite? | Oct 27 22:04 |
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| schestowitz | Communism the new terrorism? | Oct 27 22:04 |
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| schestowitz | Just before you'd left I posted: | Oct 27 22:04 |
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| schestowitz | <schestowitz> Japan's young turn to Communist Party as they decide capitalism has let them down : | Oct 27 22:04 |
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| schestowitz | <schestowitz> http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/... | Oct 27 22:04 |
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| _Doug | then Japan must be 'liberated' forthwith .. | Oct 27 22:05 |
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| _Doug | :) | Oct 27 22:05 |
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| schestowitz | >> http://news.bbc.co.uk/newsbeat/hi/te... Searching for 'hack', no match found. You lied. | Oct 27 22:05 |
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| schestowitz | No, Japan is the new "Them" | Oct 27 22:06 |
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| schestowitz | "Them!" [points finger /] | Oct 27 22:06 |
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| _Doug | "US Army warns of Twitter danger" it's there ... | Oct 27 22:06 |
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| schestowitz | Yes, but nothing about hacks. | Oct 27 22:06 |
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| schestowitz | twitter should sue them for libel. ;-) | Oct 27 22:07 |
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| _Doug | taken with my previous links .. | Oct 27 22:07 |
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| schestowitz | Go Commando on the military, with Judge Judy. | Oct 27 22:07 |
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| _Doug | Is Terrorism the New Communism .. | Oct 27 22:07 |
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| _Doug | http://thestrangedeathofliberalamerica... | Oct 27 22:07 |
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| schestowitz | What is this site? | Oct 27 22:07 |
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| schestowitz | Is it SFW? | Oct 27 22:07 |
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| _Doug | the State Department’s definition .. states terrorism is any of the following: | Oct 27 22:08 |
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| _Doug | By that criteria Uncle Sam is guilty of all them | Oct 27 22:08 |
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| _Doug | sfw ? | Oct 27 22:09 |
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| schestowitz | Sam?Sammy Davis Jr.? | Oct 27 22:09 |
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| schestowitz | Safe for work (SFW). | Oct 27 22:09 |
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| schestowitz | Loads of Lunix Nyoos today... good stuff. | Oct 27 22:10 |
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| _Doug | 'This Intellectual Property Compliance License Agreement for Linux ("Agreement") is made and entered into on the date last executed by and between The SCO Group, Inc., for itself or its Subsidiaries' | Oct 27 22:15 |
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| _Doug | http://lwn.net/Articles/43085/ | Oct 27 22:15 |
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| schestowitz | Did you see SCO's latest sponsor? | Oct 27 22:15 |
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| schestowitz | Sh*tel. | Oct 27 22:16 |
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| _Doug | got a link ? | Oct 27 22:16 |
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| _Doug | 'The Computer History Museum on Tuesday night honored three legends in the industry, including Linux creator Linus Torvalds' | Oct 27 22:17 |
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| _Doug | http://www.informationweek.com/news/so... | Oct 27 22:17 |
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| schestowitz | GNU/Linux TV Commercials for Dell.. http://blog.mozilla.com/faaborg/2008/10/2... | Oct 27 22:17 |
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| _Doug | http://www.groklaw.net/article.php?story=... | Oct 27 22:19 |
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| schestowitz | Wrong URL. Here's the vid: http://www.tribbleagency.com/?p=2827 | Oct 27 22:19 |
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| schestowitz | Darl&Paul (Otellini) for precious IP? | Oct 27 22:20 |
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| _Doug | Hacker is 'too sick' to survive US extradition .. | Oct 27 22:20 |
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| _Doug | http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2008/oct/... | Oct 27 22:20 |
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| schestowitz | Sick of the system? | Oct 27 22:22 |
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| schestowitz | Asperger's syndrome? | Oct 27 22:22 |
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| schestowitz | Isn't that more of a condition than an illness? | Oct 27 22:23 |
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| _Doug | is meaningless .. a set of behaviors .. no one would notice your Aspergers in the IT industry .. | Oct 27 22:24 |
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| _Doug | What's curious about the case is that the UK has no recriminate right of extradition from the US | Oct 27 22:25 |
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| _Doug | not a real country anaways :) | Oct 27 22:26 |
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| schestowitz | State. | Oct 27 22:26 |
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| schestowitz | 51st | Oct 27 22:26 |
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| schestowitz | Decent film: http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0227984/ | Oct 27 22:27 |
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| _Doug | Syria condemns US raid as 'act of terrorist aggression' .. | Oct 27 22:31 |
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| _Doug | http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2... | Oct 27 22:31 |
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| schestowitz | US is big. | Oct 27 22:31 |
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| schestowitz | Big can't be "terrorism" | Oct 27 22:31 |
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| _Doug | Is this George Wa's attempt to boos support for McCain .. eg strong on terr'ism | Oct 27 22:31 |
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| schestowitz | It's like dingy and Big Ship | Oct 27 22:32 |
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| _Doug | License free code from us, or we'll sue, says Microsoft's IP lawyer .. | Oct 27 22:40 |
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| _Doug | InfoWorld: So you're not going to tell me what those patents were today? | Oct 27 22:40 |
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| _Doug | Gutierrez: No, I will say this: Microsoft publishes every patent that Microsoft gets issued and we have had deeper, detailed discussions in the context of private licensing conversations, which, by the way, is the practice that every technology company follows. So to answer your question, yes, we have divulged them. We have talked about them with a number of companies that have shown... | Oct 27 22:40 |
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| _Doug | ...interest in having a good faith licensing discussion with Microsoft. | Oct 27 22:40 |
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| _Doug | InfoWorld: Can you tell me what one or two of them were? | Oct 27 22:40 |
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| _Doug | Gutierrez: I can tell you that there have been a number of them and no, those conversations are business conversations that we tend not to divulge. | Oct 27 22:40 |
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| _Doug | http://www.itweb.co.za/sections/columnists/doubletake... | Oct 27 22:40 |
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| schestowitz | Microsoft will deliver us a future flowered with (floored by?) INNOVA~1 | Oct 27 22:41 |
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| _Doug | "Task list window for use in an integrated development environment " | Oct 27 22:41 |
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| _Doug | http://patft.uspto.gov/netacgi/nph-P... | Oct 27 22:41 |
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| _Doug | |"As the developer edits source code, warnings and coding errors are detected and inserted as tasks in a task list." | Oct 27 22:42 |
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| schestowitz | Does MonoDevelop infinge? | Oct 27 22:42 |
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| schestowitz | Do me a favour if you have the time. | Oct 27 22:42 |
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| schestowitz | Find patents Mono may infringe. If we can show it to Miguel, we can remove the problem by making a statement. | Oct 27 22:43 |
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| _Doug | ", if the source code contains the comment, "/*TODO: Need to add copyright text*/", the parser 204 adds the task "TODO: Need to add copyright text" to the task list" | Oct 27 22:43 |
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| _Doug | MonoDevelop .. I'll look tomorrow | Oct 27 22:44 |
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| schestowitz | So the inovation is that error messages are not just shown but also thrown is some stack of output. Wow! I would never have thought of that! Just WOW! | Oct 27 22:44 |
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| schestowitz | Sounds like an ad hoc hack that any hacker might think of on the fly. | Oct 27 22:45 |
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| _Doug | they've patented an embedded TODO list in the source code ? | Oct 27 22:45 |
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| _Doug | assert() | Oct 27 22:45 |
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| schestowitz | I edit my refs in Kate and I have my own 'methods' too... but that's not a patent. It's "Tricks and Tips"(C) | Oct 27 22:45 |
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| schestowitz | Prior art? | Oct 27 22:46 |
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| _Doug | http://www.acm.uiuc.edu/webmo... | Oct 27 22:46 |
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| _Doug | graphical alerts to keyword allocated events ? | Oct 27 22:46 |
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| schestowitz | Microsoft is assert()ing its patent rights. | Oct 27 22:47 |
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| _Doug | Netbook runs Debian on China-made CPU .. | Oct 27 22:49 |
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| _Doug | http://www.linuxdevices.com/n... | Oct 27 22:49 |
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| schestowitz | Yes, that's excellent news. Intel could be toast for margins. | Oct 27 22:49 |
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| schestowitz | $98 laptop...(with GNU/Linux): http://techvideoblog.com/ifa/98-lin... | Oct 27 22:50 |
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| _Doug | NeuLion IPTV set-top runs Linux — | Oct 27 22:51 |
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| _Doug | http://linuxdevices.com/news/NS6706106369.html | Oct 27 22:51 |
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| _Doug | hi 'fumanchu2175' how are things in da deep south ? | Oct 27 22:52 |
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| schestowitz | You scared the waaabits. | Oct 27 22:52 |
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| schestowitz | Microsoft Agent 'cj' is gone. | Oct 27 22:53 |
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| schestowitz | There is still a SUSE rep here though. Probably also a Microsoft one because the trolls from COLA lurk here. | Oct 27 22:53 |
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