| schestowitz | The situation ensures maximisatyion of profits. | Nov 25 00:00 |
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| schestowitz | It's designed that way | Nov 25 00:00 |
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| seller_liar | The only way to change that | Nov 25 00:00 |
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| schestowitz | Microsoft helps Intel, Intel helps Microsoft. | Nov 25 00:00 |
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| schestowitz | AMD and Intel compete to become favourite kid.. | Nov 25 00:00 |
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| seller_liar | It is conscious people | Nov 25 00:00 |
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| schestowitz | Utlimately the aim is for people to buy AS MANY PCs as possible. | Nov 25 00:00 |
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| schestowitz | All systems thrive in waste | Nov 25 00:00 |
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| seller_liar | And convince people to give importance to the environment | Nov 25 00:00 |
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| schestowitz | Phase out tapes.. | Nov 25 00:01 |
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| schestowitz | Phase out CDs | Nov 25 00:01 |
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| schestowitz | Phase out DVD... | Nov 25 00:01 |
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| seller_liar | People are created in this system flawed | Nov 25 00:01 |
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| schestowitz | That's how money is made.. and it's shareholder-driven. | Nov 25 00:01 |
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| PetoKraus | phase out teh intertubes! | Nov 25 00:01 |
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| schestowitz | seller_liar: it's hopeless. | Nov 25 00:01 |
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| seller_liar | We can change | Nov 25 00:01 |
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| schestowitz | People won't respond until they are forced to | Nov 25 00:01 |
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| schestowitz | It's like assignment deadline | Nov 25 00:01 |
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| schestowitz | When people's house is being flooded, they'll panic and do something. | Nov 25 00:02 |
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| schestowitz | The nature of humans ensures that the planet is heading towards trouble. | Nov 25 00:02 |
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| seller_liar | "Pressure makes pearls?" | Nov 25 00:02 |
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| schestowitz | The solustion must come from change of rules/edu | Nov 25 00:02 |
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| schestowitz | PetoKraus: they try that too | Nov 25 00:02 |
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| PetoKraus | well, they'll do try | Nov 25 00:03 |
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| PetoKraus | i saw that picture somewhere | Nov 25 00:03 |
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| seller_liar | First | Nov 25 00:03 |
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| schestowitz | Or change their autonomy | Nov 25 00:03 |
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| seller_liar | The problem is the highest Classes | Nov 25 00:03 |
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| PetoKraus | access on the internet - you'll get only access to certain domains | Nov 25 00:03 |
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| schestowitz | They harm meshes cause it's not centralise, then tiering of the Web, censorship, etc. | Nov 25 00:03 |
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| seller_liar | Classes are low enough | Nov 25 00:03 |
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| schestowitz | They try to create ecnomies out of BLOCKING access to digital things. | Nov 25 00:03 |
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| schestowitz | They are used to being able to deny people access.. for A LIVING. | Nov 25 00:04 |
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| seller_liar | Classes can not low self sustenance | Nov 25 00:04 |
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| schestowitz | Access to food, access to technology, books, anything... | Nov 25 00:04 |
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| seller_liar | Who should change is the middle class and upper class | Nov 25 00:04 |
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| schestowitz | Classes? | Nov 25 00:04 |
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| schestowitz | Classes need be ideally eliminated | Nov 25 00:04 |
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| schestowitz | But it's adverse to human nature. | Nov 25 00:04 |
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| schestowitz | Even monkeys have classes | Nov 25 00:05 |
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| seller_liar | Wrong | Nov 25 00:05 |
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| schestowitz | No? Why not? | Nov 25 00:05 |
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| seller_liar | The system of past lives | Nov 25 00:05 |
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| schestowitz | It hs always been like this. | Nov 25 00:05 |
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| schestowitz | Watch the pyramid for extreme examples. | Nov 25 00:05 |
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| schestowitz | One king and a horse of pyramid-building slaves. | Nov 25 00:06 |
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| seller_liar | Them system corrupts people | Nov 25 00:06 |
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| schestowitz | *horde | Nov 25 00:06 |
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| seller_liar | It's not only human nature | Nov 25 00:06 |
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| schestowitz | The system *IS* people. | Nov 25 00:06 |
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| seller_liar | Yes | Nov 25 00:06 |
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| schestowitz | Authority is creates by humans | Nov 25 00:06 |
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| schestowitz | Anarchy is a separate thing. | Nov 25 00:06 |
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| schestowitz | Let me find something. Hold ion. | Nov 25 00:06 |
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| seller_liar | But look , The system is The leaders of society | Nov 25 00:06 |
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| seller_liar | Youn people is not the system | Nov 25 00:07 |
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| seller_liar | Adult people and leaders are the system | Nov 25 00:07 |
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| schestowitz | MinceR will appreciated this too: http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=P... | Nov 25 00:07 |
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| seller_liar | Young people only absorves the system | Nov 25 00:07 |
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| schestowitz | Not a matter of age | Nov 25 00:07 |
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| seller_liar | Like inheritance | Nov 25 00:08 |
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| schestowitz | It's inherited | Nov 25 00:08 |
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| schestowitz | You beat me to it | Nov 25 00:08 |
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| PetoKraus | oh not this again | Nov 25 00:08 |
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| schestowitz | What again? | Nov 25 00:08 |
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| PetoKraus | chomsky, anarchy... | Nov 25 00:08 |
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| seller_liar | Noam Chomsky? | Nov 25 00:08 |
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| schestowitz | Hehe. Well, it just came to mind, that's all.. | Nov 25 00:08 |
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| seller_liar | But look | Nov 25 00:08 |
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| seller_liar | Leaders pervert young people | Nov 25 00:09 |
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| schestowitz | Do you prefer the crazies like Jones? | Nov 25 00:09 |
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| schestowitz | Through education. | Nov 25 00:09 |
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| schestowitz | Can you bypass it? | Nov 25 00:09 |
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| seller_liar | Leaders = Adult ,Parents , Politicans | Nov 25 00:09 |
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| PetoKraus | libertarianism is just faulty by design | Nov 25 00:09 |
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| seller_liar | No | Nov 25 00:09 |
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| PetoKraus | because it forgets about one important thing - people are stupid | Nov 25 00:10 |
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| schestowitz | Why? | Nov 25 00:10 |
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| seller_liar | The big problem is | Nov 25 00:10 |
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| schestowitz | Why need they be? | Nov 25 00:10 |
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| PetoKraus | well, they are, that's the fact | Nov 25 00:10 |
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| seller_liar | The system is self_hosting | Nov 25 00:10 |
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| schestowitz | They are made this way | Nov 25 00:10 |
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| schestowitz | They are fed footie and celebs | Nov 25 00:10 |
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| schestowitz | To keep them stupid and out of politics | Nov 25 00:10 |
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| seller_liar | The system makes EVERY people of this world to transfer bad habits for youg people | Nov 25 00:10 |
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| schestowitz | Making them observatory elements in a system of 'responsible' individuals. | Nov 25 00:11 |
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| PetoKraus | well, but what you get when you plunge world directly into libertarianism in it's absolute form | Nov 25 00:11 |
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| schestowitz | Of course. | Nov 25 00:11 |
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| PetoKraus | yeah | Nov 25 00:11 |
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| PetoKraus | everything can't be run by free market | Nov 25 00:12 |
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| PetoKraus | because you'll end up in vicious circle | Nov 25 00:12 |
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| schestowitz | Which one? | Nov 25 00:12 |
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| schestowitz | Free as in 'free'? | Nov 25 00:12 |
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| schestowitz | Like predatory free? | Nov 25 00:12 |
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| PetoKraus | free market as in unrestricted | Nov 25 00:12 |
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| schestowitz | Where you are free to slaughter 'biznizes'? | Nov 25 00:12 |
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| schestowitz | That's like communism | Nov 25 00:13 |
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| PetoKraus | well not reallky | Nov 25 00:13 |
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| schestowitz | Free markets become a communism until it's becoming non-free | Nov 25 00:13 |
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| PetoKraus | *y | Nov 25 00:13 |
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| schestowitz | Just look at h/w and s/w monopolies | Nov 25 00:13 |
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| seller_liar | I will create a good book about this , society and a real good society | Nov 25 00:13 |
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| PetoKraus | free market is actually exactly on the other side of the political spectra than communism | Nov 25 00:13 |
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| schestowitz | Microsoft is like communism, though it won't acknowledge this. | Nov 25 00:13 |
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| schestowitz | seller_liar: please do, let me know where to find it too | Nov 25 00:14 |
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| schestowitz | Oh, he's gone | Nov 25 00:14 |
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| PetoKraus | what I am trying to say is, anarchy, in it most elaborate forms - libertarianism, free market - is unsustainable | Nov 25 00:14 |
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| schestowitz | True. | Nov 25 00:14 |
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| schestowitz | But there are still sound bites. | Nov 25 00:14 |
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| PetoKraus | because if you don't have any body supervising, eg, education of people, someone will sell people inferior education, just because it's cheaper | Nov 25 00:14 |
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| schestowitz | Like "democracy" | Nov 25 00:14 |
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| schestowitz | Of which I know none | Nov 25 00:15 |
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| PetoKraus | I don't know | Nov 25 00:15 |
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| schestowitz | "Sell education"... I like that! | Nov 25 00:15 |
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| PetoKraus | I don't really have an idea how should it work | Nov 25 00:15 |
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| seller_liar | I will create book someday | Nov 25 00:15 |
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| PetoKraus | schestowitz: well, that's what happens in perfect libertarian society | Nov 25 00:15 |
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| PetoKraus | everything is product on free market | Nov 25 00:15 |
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| schestowitz | Curriculum 'up for sale? | Nov 25 00:15 |
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| PetoKraus | my friend is a libertarian. I tend to make fun of him | Nov 25 00:15 |
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| PetoKraus | basically... | Nov 25 00:16 |
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| schestowitz | seller_liar: | Nov 25 00:16 |
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| schestowitz | <schestowitz> Microsoft is like communism, though it won't acknowledge this. | Nov 25 00:16 |
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| schestowitz | <schestowitz> seller_liar: please do, let me know where to find it too | Nov 25 00:16 |
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| schestowitz | <schestowitz> Oh, he's gone | Nov 25 00:16 |
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| PetoKraus | anyway, it's not really important | Nov 25 00:16 |
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| PetoKraus | i think, personally, that there are few things which should be supervised by something | Nov 25 00:16 |
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| PetoKraus | we tend to call it state | Nov 25 00:17 |
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| schestowitz | By whom? | Nov 25 00:17 |
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| schestowitz | And how? | Nov 25 00:17 |
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| PetoKraus | well, that's the question - deploying effective mechanisms... | Nov 25 00:17 |
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| schestowitz | Who watches the state? | Nov 25 00:17 |
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| PetoKraus | but you need quality assurance in areas like Education, Health | Nov 25 00:17 |
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| schestowitz | They tried many things... some more successful than others... | Nov 25 00:17 |
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| seller_liar | schestowitz: And my book will be the real solution for this world | Nov 25 00:17 |
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| schestowitz | seller_liar: will you be reaching a wide audience? There is no parity in publcation | Nov 25 00:18 |
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| schestowitz | Govt. have large mindshare | Nov 25 00:18 |
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| schestowitz | They control TV, newspapers, education system, etc. | Nov 25 00:18 |
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| schestowitz | Corporations, in turn, pass on their agenda to govts | Nov 25 00:18 |
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| schestowitz | Even foreign companies do... like Microsoft in Brazil | Nov 25 00:19 |
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| seller_liar | schestowitz: CC-BY-SA | Nov 25 00:19 |
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| schestowitz | Text is a tricky thing. | Nov 25 00:19 |
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| schestowitz | People are lazy | Nov 25 00:19 |
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| schestowitz | That's why papers are dying... dropping like flies | Nov 25 00:19 |
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| PetoKraus | then there's this problem.... how to develop a system, where government would have power over businesses to define rules of the game, where government itself would work transparently, where there would be no chance that couple of people will be able to "subvert" the government | Nov 25 00:19 |
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| schestowitz | It's a society of 30-second ads and quickie thinking. | Nov 25 00:20 |
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| schestowitz | Even music albums are rarely sold... just singles. | Nov 25 00:20 |
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| PetoKraus | schestowitz: well it depends | Nov 25 00:20 |
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| PetoKraus | on your business model ;) | Nov 25 00:20 |
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| schestowitz | PetoKraus: that's what the US contitution was for, I think. | Nov 25 00:20 |
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| PetoKraus | yes | Nov 25 00:21 |
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| schestowitz | I believe that current US govt. violates the fathers rules. | Nov 25 00:21 |
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| schestowitz | fathers' | Nov 25 00:21 |
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| PetoKraus | yes | Nov 25 00:21 |
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| schestowitz | But who blows the whistle? | Nov 25 00:21 |
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| schestowitz | The UN? | Nov 25 00:21 |
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| schestowitz | The AAAAAAAAAAAliens? :-) | Nov 25 00:21 |
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| PetoKraus | too slow to react | Nov 25 00:21 |
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| PetoKraus | waaaaaaaalleee | Nov 25 00:21 |
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| PetoKraus | http://kezins.com/wp-content/upl... -> in spore xD | Nov 25 00:22 |
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| schestowitz | post-destuction | Nov 25 00:23 |
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| schestowitz | Funyt pic: Damn you Gentoo Devs! < http://moodlechat.bounceme... > | Nov 25 00:31 |
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| seller_liar | To save this world ,we need : | Nov 25 00:33 |
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| seller_liar | learn people | Nov 25 00:33 |
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| seller_liar | convince people | Nov 25 00:33 |
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| seller_liar | and help people to change | Nov 25 00:33 |
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| seller_liar | Some people know about freedom, but They are not convinced about freedom | Nov 25 00:34 |
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| schestowitz | How do you 'tap' people? | Nov 25 00:34 |
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| schestowitz | See, what's difficult is not just addressing the curious, which is a 'niche' | Nov 25 00:34 |
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| seller_liar | Some people try to change , but only a little can change | Nov 25 00:34 |
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| schestowitz | A lot of people just follow the stream BECAUSE they are taught not to diverse. | Nov 25 00:34 |
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| schestowitz | There is a lot of peer pressure that's being instilled in people's minds and reinforced through peers to suppress or preventing independent thinking. | Nov 25 00:35 |
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| seller_liar | schestowitz: Is very hard to people gain "independent thinking" | Nov 25 00:35 |
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| seller_liar | Remember ,the system does not guarantee this | Nov 25 00:36 |
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| seller_liar | The system instead pervert people which he have destroyed | Nov 25 00:36 |
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| seller_liar | The system is very similar to the "dark knight" | Nov 25 00:37 |
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| schestowitz | The system hardly permits this, let alone guarantee | Nov 25 00:37 |
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| seller_liar | He kills opposition | Nov 25 00:37 |
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| schestowitz | That's modern totality | Nov 25 00:37 |
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| seller_liar | and revives opposition , | Nov 25 00:37 |
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| schestowitz | It exists as an element even in so-called model democracies. | Nov 25 00:37 |
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| seller_liar | of course the oppositiion now is your allied | Nov 25 00:37 |
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| schestowitz | What's the regime type of Brazil called? | Nov 25 00:37 |
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| schestowitz | Called != is | Nov 25 00:37 |
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| seller_liar | Democracy ....... | Nov 25 00:38 |
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| schestowitz | Is it? | Nov 25 00:38 |
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| seller_liar | hehe ,wait a moment | Nov 25 00:38 |
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| seller_liar | no ,I do not remember | Nov 25 00:38 |
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| schestowitz | Check the definition | Nov 25 00:38 |
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| jocaferro | hi | Nov 25 00:38 |
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| schestowitz | Well, at least you serve as a model for Linux in voting. | Nov 25 00:38 |
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| schestowitz | Hey, jocaferro! What's up? | Nov 25 00:39 |
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| jocaferro | Roy, did you notice a notice in Linux.com - | Nov 25 00:39 |
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| jocaferro | Energizer says Microsoft's a great host? | Nov 25 00:40 |
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| schestowitz | Wait... | Nov 25 00:40 |
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| schestowitz | LOL... http://www.catonmat.net/blog/musical-geek... | Nov 25 00:40 |
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| schestowitz | Linux.com has Microsoft as a sponsor. | Nov 25 00:40 |
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| jocaferro | http://news.cnet.com/8301-13860_3-10... | Nov 25 00:41 |
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| schestowitz | I'll try with Konqy... without adblock | Nov 25 00:41 |
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| jocaferro | Not a single mention to "Linux" | Nov 25 00:41 |
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| schestowitz | jocaferro: I see loan ads. | Nov 25 00:41 |
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| schestowitz | Nothing there with Microsoft. I tried two page | Nov 25 00:42 |
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| schestowitz | pages | Nov 25 00:42 |
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| schestowitz | Yuck. | Nov 25 00:42 |
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| jocaferro | http://www.linux.com/feed/154043 | Nov 25 00:42 |
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| schestowitz | jocaferro: that's Microsoft Shill Ina Fried. | Nov 25 00:42 |
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| schestowitz | I tossed CNET to the dumpster cause of him/her | Nov 25 00:42 |
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| schestowitz | Oh, that | Nov 25 00:43 |
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| schestowitz | Yes, Linux.com has lots of weirdies. | Nov 25 00:43 |
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| jocaferro | Yes... | Nov 25 00:43 |
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| schestowitz | Mac-only s/w and some Microsoft shills sometimes... I don't know why and some people occasionally vend out in the comments, me included. | Nov 25 00:43 |
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| schestowitz | I stopped reading Linux.com news picks... they were bad... low signal/noise ratio | Nov 25 00:44 |
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| schestowitz | *vent | Nov 25 00:44 |
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| jocaferro | Going to bed. Portugal... | Nov 25 00:44 |
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| schestowitz | http://www.tuxmachines.org/ is one of the strongest | Nov 25 00:44 |
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| schestowitz | Cya soon then, | Nov 25 00:45 |
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| jocaferro | Thanks. Till tomorrow. | Nov 25 00:45 |
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| twitter | body for sale? | Nov 25 01:25 |
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| twitter | hope not. That's why people make laws to protect themselves and others. | Nov 25 01:25 |
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| schestowitz | Where? What's that about? | Nov 25 01:26 |
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| twitter | Someone said, "curriculum for sale" and someone else was laughing at his libertarian friends | Nov 25 01:27 |
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| schestowitz | Oh, I see.... | Nov 25 01:28 |
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| twitter | Konq has an ad blocker, by the way. You have to build a list of image servers by right clicking on the obnoxious ones. You can undo it later through a manager if you like. | Nov 25 01:28 |
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| twitter | gnash is now my favorite ad block. | Nov 25 01:29 |
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| twitter | Nothing plays till you press "play" | Nov 25 01:29 |
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| twitter | Konq's image blocker config also is easy to add to, so you can share lists of servers with your friends. | Nov 25 01:30 |
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| schestowitz | Flashblock works too. | Nov 25 01:30 |
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| schestowitz | I think I have 3 layers that fight Flash. | Nov 25 01:30 |
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| schestowitz | AdBlock, flashblock, noscript | Nov 25 01:31 |
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| twitter | Gnash or nothing for me. I don't trust flash at all. | Nov 25 01:31 |
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| twitter | Buggy and slow. | Nov 25 01:31 |
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| twitter | My wife insists on flash, so she gets Mepis. | Nov 25 01:32 |
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| twitter | The sooner non free video dies, the better. | Nov 25 01:32 |
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| schestowitz | Yes, I still got Flash with Mandriva (by default) | Nov 25 01:33 |
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| schestowitz | I suppose YouTube works fully with Flash. It's the only think the blob is needed for. | Nov 25 01:33 |
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| twitter | It's hit and miss still. Bandwith is so bad with my ISP that I prefer clive. I wonder if Cox is already doing "management" for YouTube. | Nov 25 01:34 |
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| twitter | The actual flash player works a little better when we look at Saturday night live, but even that skips. | Nov 25 01:35 |
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| twitter | I have to make a right click button for clive one day. | Nov 25 01:35 |
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| schestowitz | I have a greasemonkey script for getting Flash fast | Nov 25 01:36 |
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| schestowitz | That enables me to make oggs quickly too | Nov 25 01:37 |
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| MinceR | schestowitz: nice video | Nov 25 07:51 |
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| schestowitz | Moin' | Nov 25 08:23 |
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| kentma | hi | Nov 25 09:21 |
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| MinceR | j0 | Nov 25 09:23 |
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| harrytuttle | hello | Nov 25 09:35 |
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| harrytuttle | nvidia "drops" linux to make M$-phone: | Nov 25 09:36 |
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| harrytuttle | http://www.theinquirer.net/gb/inquirer/n... | Nov 25 09:36 |
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| schestowitz | Hey there. | Nov 25 09:36 |
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| schestowitz | Thanks, I saw that. | Nov 25 09:36 |
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| harrytuttle | well, if you read the comments though, it turns out to be a hoax... :-/ | Nov 25 09:38 |
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| harrytuttle | just read the whole comments | Nov 25 09:38 |
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| MinceR | nvidia is seeking new lows to sink to | Nov 25 09:39 |
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| harrytuttle | sorry, i posted this a bit in a hurry, and it seems its a hoax... | Nov 25 09:41 |
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| PetoKraus | fucking doh! : http://www.linuxloop.com/news/2008/11/25/l... | Nov 25 10:22 |
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| kentma | naive | Nov 25 10:41 |
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| PetoKraus | http://www.extremetech.com... | Nov 25 11:23 |
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| PetoKraus | single-vendor javascript benchmark, tut tut! | Nov 25 11:23 |
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| PetoKraus | that's like comparing jeep and formula 1 speed on flat track | Nov 25 11:24 |
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| schestowitz | It's a rad risky for people to rely on some server and JS to handle all their data.. | Nov 25 11:28 |
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| schestowitz | *tad | Nov 25 11:28 |
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| PetoKraus | well, yes | Nov 25 11:28 |
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| MinceR | people routinely take bigger risks than that | Nov 25 11:28 |
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| PetoKraus | what i don't like about the benchmark, though, is, that they used V8 benchmark for all of the browsers | Nov 25 11:29 |
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| PetoKraus | which is clearly stupid thing to do | Nov 25 11:29 |
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| schestowitz | Of course | Nov 25 11:34 |
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| schestowitz | But what about O/S as parameter | Nov 25 11:34 |
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| schestowitz | ? | Nov 25 11:34 |
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| schestowitz | Apple is evil : http://www.pcworld.com/article/15442... | Nov 25 11:44 |
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| schestowitz | This sounds unlikely: Google Layoffs: 10,000 Jobs Being Cut, Report Claims < http://www.pcworld.com/articl... > | Nov 25 11:46 |
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| schestowitz | Microsoft layoffs still being denied, which is funny because they recently sacked staff, for _a fact_ | Nov 25 12:03 |
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| schestowitz | Wintel press didn't get the memo about Microsoft's budget cuts < http://www.businessweek.com/technology/... >? Seems like sloggy-pressing. | Nov 25 12:07 |
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| schestowitz | "according to a person familiar with Microsoft's plans. "We're going to reinvent the infrastructure of our industry," Chrapaty says. She declines to discuss specifics of the plan." | Nov 25 12:13 |
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| schestowitz | ""[ PJ: Uh oh. Reinvent the infrastructure as in "extend"?]" | Nov 25 12:13 |
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| schestowitz | Mischiefs in the EU: defending illegal, consumer-hostile technologies to retrain 'the masses' and use of PCs... http://www.digistan.org/forum/t-107597/eu... | Nov 25 12:26 |
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| zoobab_ | digistan | Nov 25 13:57 |
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| schestowitz | Yup | Nov 25 13:58 |
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| schestowitz | *restrain | Nov 25 13:58 |
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| schestowitz | According to Alpha-lunatic, Digistan is some country with terrorists in it. :-) | Nov 25 13:59 |
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| zoobab_ | it is | Nov 25 14:00 |
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| PetoKraus | hmm, arora seems nice | Nov 25 14:26 |
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| PetoKraus | though it's slow :/ | Nov 25 14:32 |
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| kentma | anyone noticed that oo.org is going like a rocket now? | Nov 25 14:45 |
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| kentma | this being the latest Ubuntu version. | Nov 25 14:47 |
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| schestowitz | Isn't that Go-oo in Ubuntu? | Nov 25 14:48 |
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| schestowitz | Unless you installed OOo | Nov 25 14:48 |
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| schestowitz | Go-OO is Novell/Microsoft's evil fork | Nov 25 14:48 |
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| PetoKraus | http://pk.gjhak.sk/?uid=118 | Nov 25 15:02 |
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| wispy | hello everyone! | Nov 25 15:21 |
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| schestowitz | Hey there, what's up? | Nov 25 15:23 |
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| wispy | hi again ;) | Nov 25 15:23 |
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| wispy | i came here a few days ago, but you weren't here | Nov 25 15:24 |
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| twitter | Dow's up, M$ is down. http://finance.google.com/finance | Nov 25 15:24 |
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| wispy | hi twitter, im wispy | Nov 25 15:24 |
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| twitter | hello | Nov 25 15:24 |
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| wispy | i know roy from digg | Nov 25 15:24 |
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| PetoKraus | well, roy is famous :P | Nov 25 15:25 |
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| wispy | haha he is | Nov 25 15:25 |
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| wispy | nice to meet you too petokraus | Nov 25 15:25 |
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| PetoKraus | ;) what brings you here? | Nov 25 15:25 |
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| twitter | do share | Nov 25 15:25 |
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| wispy | im interested in the whole ms drama | Nov 25 15:25 |
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| wispy | since i want to work in the tech sector | Nov 25 15:26 |
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| wispy | im a finance major, but i have some tech skills too | Nov 25 15:26 |
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| twitter | M$ drama http://slashdot.org/~twitter/journal/213707 complete with theme song | Nov 25 15:27 |
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| wispy | lol @ theme song | Nov 25 15:27 |
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| wispy | so what distros you guys use | Nov 25 15:28 |
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| twitter | Ballmer drama http://slashdot.org/~twitter/journal/214971 unmatched since Scarface | Nov 25 15:28 |
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| wispy | i use debian | Nov 25 15:28 |
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| twitter | debian | Nov 25 15:28 |
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| twitter | mepis | Nov 25 15:28 |
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| wispy | my first was ubuntu | Nov 25 15:28 |
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| *schestowitz was distracted | Nov 25 15:28 |
| twitter | I see ubuntu and pclinuxOS in a lab, but we a just friends. | Nov 25 15:29 |
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| schestowitz | Microsoft drama. Haha. | Nov 25 15:29 |
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| wispy | so how's your day roy? | Nov 25 15:29 |
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| wispy | hehe | Nov 25 15:29 |
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| schestowitz | Nice word for "bad behaviour" | Nov 25 15:29 |
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| wispy | its raining here, ugh | Nov 25 15:29 |
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| wispy | lol | Nov 25 15:29 |
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| schestowitz | I was to jail for causing "drama" | Nov 25 15:29 |
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| schestowitz | *Went | Nov 25 15:29 |
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| wispy | my sisters say drama all the time | Nov 25 15:29 |
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| wispy | aww | Nov 25 15:29 |
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| wispy | they cause it all the time | Nov 25 15:30 |
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| wispy | i don't get why they do that | Nov 25 15:30 |
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| twitter | M$ commits crime to make money | Nov 25 15:30 |
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| schestowitz | Microsoft says it uses the rules to their full capacity | Nov 25 15:30 |
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| schestowitz | I'm writitng about ISO ATM | Nov 25 15:30 |
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| twitter | Your sisters are just enjoying life | Nov 25 15:30 |
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| wispy | yeah i guess XD | Nov 25 15:31 |
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| schestowitz | Microsoft apparently considers bribes as part of the rules. | Nov 25 15:31 |
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| schestowitz | Bullying people too is, apparently, within the rules | Nov 25 15:31 |
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| wispy | that's not fair :( | Nov 25 15:31 |
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| twitter | and lying about the rules, so that you can't trust them. | Nov 25 15:31 |
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| schestowitz | Well, that's MCIROSOFT | Nov 25 15:31 |
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| schestowitz | Microsoft=not fair | Nov 25 15:31 |
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| schestowitz | It's a philosophy/. | Nov 25 15:31 |
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| twitter | cult | Nov 25 15:31 |
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| schestowitz | Wel.. | Nov 25 15:31 |
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| wispy | scary | Nov 25 15:31 |
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| schestowitz | Don't say that work | Nov 25 15:31 |
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| schestowitz | They'll bully you for saying it. | Nov 25 15:32 |
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| schestowitz | They amplify terms like "Microsoft hater" | Nov 25 15:32 |
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| schestowitz | As if.. | Nov 25 15:32 |
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| schestowitz | I can openly call Intel a criminal organisation | Nov 25 15:32 |
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| twitter | it's also personal http://boycottnovell.com/2008/03/1... | Nov 25 15:32 |
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| wispy | they should learn to take criticism so they can better themselves | Nov 25 15:32 |
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| schestowitz | But if I say this about Microsoft then the reaction is like "oh... another Microsoft Hater(TM)" | Nov 25 15:32 |
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| wispy | :( | Nov 25 15:32 |
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| schestowitz | And that's just wrong. Pointing out the obvious is fine., | Nov 25 15:32 |
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| schestowitz | But they stigmatise critics | Nov 25 15:33 |
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| twitter | it's not an emotional thing, it's eliminating competition in every way. | Nov 25 15:33 |
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| wispy | thats too bad roy | Nov 25 15:33 |
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| schestowitz | Hey, Omar87 | Nov 25 15:33 |
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| wispy | hi omar nice to meet you | Nov 25 15:33 |
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| schestowitz | twitter: I put items in the news aside before blogging them | Nov 25 15:33 |
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| schestowitz | Otherwise I use strong words.. | Nov 25 15:33 |
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| schestowitz | Need 'cool-off' time. :-) | Nov 25 15:33 |
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| wispy | haha | Nov 25 15:33 |
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| wispy | thanks for all the updates on KDE | Nov 25 15:34 |
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| wispy | it's looking good | Nov 25 15:34 |
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| schestowitz | KDE? | Nov 25 15:34 |
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| schestowitz | In Digg? | Nov 25 15:34 |
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| twitter | bbl | Nov 25 15:34 |
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| wispy | on the front page of BN | Nov 25 15:34 |
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| wispy | and digg :) | Nov 25 15:34 |
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| schestowitz | Oh, *that* | Nov 25 15:34 |
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| wispy | people say i have an eye for color, and kde allows me to deisgn a pretty desktop | Nov 25 15:35 |
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| wispy | so roy, have you tried ubuntu ibex yet? | Nov 25 15:37 |
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| *schestowitz on phone | Nov 25 15:37 |
| wispy | oops sry | Nov 25 15:37 |
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| Omar87 | schestowitz: What ia Bilski? | Nov 25 15:37 |
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| Omar87 | is* | Nov 25 15:38 |
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| wispy | this i think: http://www.fsdaily.com/Legal/Bilski_What_It_M... | Nov 25 15:39 |
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| mib_3t928j | is any body there | Nov 25 15:41 |
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| wispy | i am :) | Nov 25 15:41 |
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| mib_3t928j | hi, it's karthik from B'lore | Nov 25 15:41 |
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| wispy | nice to meet you, im wispy | Nov 25 15:42 |
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| wispy | india is coolk | Nov 25 15:42 |
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| wispy | cool* | Nov 25 15:42 |
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| mib_3t928j | where r u from? | Nov 25 15:42 |
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| wispy | america | Nov 25 15:42 |
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| wispy | have you been here b4 | Nov 25 15:42 |
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| mib_3t928j | no | Nov 25 15:43 |
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| wispy | you should come and visit someday | Nov 25 15:43 |
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| mib_3t928j | I'd like to talk with you regarding Novell boycott in Free Software Conference held | Nov 25 15:43 |
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| wispy | oh i heard about that | Nov 25 15:44 |
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| mib_3t928j | in India this month, could we? | Nov 25 15:44 |
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| wispy | i was cheering you guys on | Nov 25 15:44 |
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| mib_3t928j | what is ur opinion abt that? | Nov 25 15:44 |
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| wispy | you had the right to express your opinion | Nov 25 15:45 |
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| mib_3t928j | I am also against the people or corporate who are against free software, BUT | Nov 25 15:45 |
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| mib_3t928j | novell boycott in confernce for a self advertisement | Nov 25 15:46 |
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| wispy | i think free software promotes more creativity since it's not controlled by one company | Nov 25 15:46 |
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| wispy | more people are involved, so there will be more ideas floating around | Nov 25 15:46 |
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| wispy | hmmm true, mib | Nov 25 15:46 |
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| mib_3t928j | that good ... | Nov 25 15:47 |
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| *schestowitz off phone | Nov 25 15:47 |
| wispy | reminds me of that "don't tase me bro" kid, he caused a scene to advertise his blog | Nov 25 15:47 |
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| wispy | wb roy | Nov 25 15:47 |
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| schestowitz | Omar87: Re Bilski is a case that eliminated (in theory) many business method patents | Nov 25 15:47 |
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| mib_3t928j | Free software in America is differnect from Free software sinec conditions | Nov 25 15:47 |
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| schestowitz | It affects software too | Nov 25 15:47 |
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| mib_3t928j | are different | Nov 25 15:48 |
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| wispy | interesting | Nov 25 15:48 |
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| schestowitz | Hey, karthik | Nov 25 15:48 |
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| mib_3t928j | hi | Nov 25 15:48 |
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| mib_3t928j | In America ur litracy rate is 99% India ~65% | Nov 25 15:49 |
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| schestowitz | 99%? | Nov 25 15:49 |
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| wispy | you guys are doing good so far with regards to economic progress | Nov 25 15:49 |
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| schestowitz | Are you sure? | Nov 25 15:49 |
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| mib_3t928j | people in India don't have access to hardware(means computers) | Nov 25 15:49 |
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| wispy | i hope laptops become cheap enough so children can access them | Nov 25 15:50 |
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| schestowitz | OLPC would be handy... if it hadn't been brutally sabotages by fat cats like Intel | Nov 25 15:50 |
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| mib_3t928j | when they don't have access to hardware , what aby software then Free Software | Nov 25 15:50 |
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| wispy | sigh thats true, Roy | Nov 25 15:50 |
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| schestowitz | In China, laptops could soon cost $70. Manufacturing them is very hceap | Nov 25 15:50 |
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| wispy | i wonder how low the price will go | Nov 25 15:51 |
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| schestowitz | Again, it's 'IP' that stands on the way. | Nov 25 15:51 |
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| mib_3t928j | The conference is to create awareness among people of India esp, students | Nov 25 15:51 |
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| mib_3t928j | & working professional | Nov 25 15:51 |
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| schestowitz | But yesterday I watched a lecture which says shift of power comes from ignoring self-preservation rules like so-called 'IP', which is what they do in China. | Nov 25 15:51 |
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| wispy | i hope it worked, mib :) | Nov 25 15:51 |
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| mib_3t928j | because of a habdful of people | Nov 25 15:51 |
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| schestowitz | So the conference was 'hijacked' by Microsoft's buddies. | Nov 25 15:52 |
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| schestowitz | If not Microsoft, then Microsoft Linux. | Nov 25 15:52 |
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| _doug | real estate developer patents web navigation .. sues Apple .. | Nov 25 15:52 |
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| _doug | http://gizmodo.com/5098535/apple-hit-with-bizarr... | Nov 25 15:52 |
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| schestowitz | But... | Nov 25 15:52 |
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| schestowitz | you can't say bad things about Microsoft there.... Novell pays the bills after alll... | Nov 25 15:52 |
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| wispy | party crashers | Nov 25 15:52 |
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| mib_3t928j | not buy ms or Novell, its hijacked by people in FSF India for their self advretisement | Nov 25 15:52 |
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| schestowitz | And Microsoft is the hand that feeds Novell these days to do this... $100 million just months ago | Nov 25 15:52 |
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| schestowitz | Yes, that too | Nov 25 15:53 |
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| _doug | "Apparatus and method of manipulating a region on a wireless device screen for viewing, zooming and scrolling internet content" | Nov 25 15:53 |
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| wispy | yep | Nov 25 15:53 |
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| schestowitz | But they liaised with Novell, no? | Nov 25 15:53 |
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| schestowitz | zoobab_ would be interested in this, doug | Nov 25 15:53 |
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| mib_3t928j | no, their concern is valid since people have diff opinion | Nov 25 15:53 |
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| mib_3t928j | BUT the way they handle nullify the program | Nov 25 15:54 |
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| mib_3t928j | now people of the world talk ONLY about Novell protest in Conference | Nov 25 15:54 |
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| mib_3t928j | As I told, the handful of people they are part of FSF india, who took a session | Nov 25 15:55 |
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| mib_3t928j | on Saturday & made protest on Sunday | Nov 25 15:56 |
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| PetoKraus | "hen it comes to the Linux operating system, Silverlight compatibility is not Microsoft’s responsibility, as the project was adopted by Novell." | Nov 25 15:56 |
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| mib_3t928j | If they felt to protest, why have NOT choosen the first day | Nov 25 15:56 |
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| PetoKraus | so basically, novell is responsible for M$ not publishing their linux client, right? | Nov 25 15:56 |
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| PetoKraus | bloody faggots | Nov 25 15:57 |
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| schestowitz | PetoKraus: sourcew? | Nov 25 15:57 |
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| mib_3t928j | hi | Nov 25 15:57 |
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| wispy | thats mean of them | Nov 25 15:57 |
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| PetoKraus | http://news.softpedia.com/news/Silverlight-Beta-for-L... | Nov 25 15:57 |
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| schestowitz | Oh yeah.. | Nov 25 15:57 |
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| schestowitz | Let Novell play with some toys | Nov 25 15:58 |
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| schestowitz | Let them Looonix users shout at Web sites that Don't Work(R) | Nov 25 15:58 |
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| wispy | lunix haha | Nov 25 15:58 |
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| schestowitz | Microsoft could just port its stinkin' binaries to GNU/Linux, but that would actually *GASP* make Linux /WORK/ | Nov 25 15:58 |
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| schestowitz | Microsoft can't allow this to happe | Nov 25 15:58 |
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| schestowitz | Microsoft can't allow this to happn | Nov 25 15:58 |
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| MinceR | it already works, despite m$'s wishes | Nov 25 15:59 |
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| schestowitz | MinceR: you tried it? | Nov 25 15:59 |
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| schestowitz | It's not 2.0 comptible | Nov 25 15:59 |
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| MinceR | i mean linux works | Nov 25 15:59 |
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| MinceR | not silverblight | Nov 25 16:00 |
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| schestowitz | It's not 2.0 compatible. Microsoft is already moving ahead. Remember the Olympics too... | Nov 25 16:00 |
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| schestowitz | Oh, *THAT* I was being sarcastic/hypothetical... | Nov 25 16:00 |
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| wispy | :) | Nov 25 16:00 |
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| schestowitz | Average Joe will just browse the Web and throw a pencil at you for giving him that Linux thing with the sites that don't work... because Microsoft made it so. | Nov 25 16:00 |
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| schestowitz | ActiveX2.0 | Nov 25 16:01 |
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| wispy | grrrrr that makes me mad | Nov 25 16:01 |
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| schestowitz | The EU commission looked at it. | Nov 25 16:01 |
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| wispy | reminds me of how ff used to not work with a lot of sites | Nov 25 16:01 |
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| schestowitz | But again... the shills at Novell to Microsoft's rescue. | Nov 25 16:01 |
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| PetoKraus | bloody hell :/ sql borked, doh! | Nov 25 16:02 |
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| schestowitz | Microsoft: FOSS is cool with OOXML... we mean, look! Novell implements it [bwahahaha...,we forced it to.. SHEESH] | Nov 25 16:02 |
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| wispy | they aren't very convincing | Nov 25 16:02 |
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| schestowitz | That;s what they said in last weeks's forum. | Nov 25 16:02 |
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| schestowitz | They are snakes. | Nov 25 16:03 |
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| wispy | >.> | Nov 25 16:03 |
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| wispy | roy, don't let people online get to you. trolls do that to annoy you. you are better than them :) | Nov 25 16:04 |
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| wispy | and much more talented | Nov 25 16:05 |
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| _doug | SCO cleared for appeal in computer code case .. | Nov 25 16:17 |
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| _doug | http://www.google.com/advanced_search | Nov 25 16:17 |
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| _doug | "Novell is a leading distributor of the Linux system for commercial operations" | Nov 25 16:17 |
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| wispy | hi doug, i dont think we have met before. i'm wispy | Nov 25 16:17 |
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| schestowitz | Should I do a SCO post before the weekend? I have something ready. | Nov 25 16:19 |
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